| 00:00.28 | raster | ooooh |
| 00:00.36 | raster | dats bad mmmkay! |
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| 00:06.07 | Dave | man |
| 00:06.11 | Dave | Do I really have to build this myself :P |
| 00:06.25 | Dave | haha, yeah, I've gotten that before, kensan :p |
| 00:06.30 | Dave | or something like it |
| 00:08.12 | Dave | whines at raster |
| 00:08.34 | raster | poke Dave |
| 00:08.37 | raster | pokes Dave |
| 00:08.44 | raster | build what? |
| 00:09.09 | Dave | the kernel for the z72 |
| 00:09.13 | Dave | :p |
| 00:09.27 | raster | ooh |
| 00:09.30 | raster | dunno |
| 00:09.34 | raster | u'll have to ask BobOfDoom |
| 00:09.39 | raster | summons BobOfDoom |
| 00:09.39 | Dave | bah |
| 00:09.42 | BobOfDoom | Dave: there's probably a kernel in here? http://releases.hackndev.com/Angstrom-Opie-PalmZ72-v085.tar.bz2 |
| 00:09.48 | Kensan | wow |
| 00:09.50 | raster | MUHAHAHAHAH! |
| 00:09.50 | Dave | I have that installed already1 |
| 00:09.52 | Kensan | that was quick |
| 00:09.58 | Dave | Bobbot |
| 00:10.01 | hipitihop | rwhitby, FYI, I have resent via normal e-mail |
| 00:10.04 | raster | this summoning thing is awesome |
| 00:10.09 | Dave | Isn't it? |
| 00:10.12 | BobOfDoom | :) |
| 00:10.13 | Dave | More black magic please! |
| 00:10.14 | Kensan | ponders if BobOfDoom is rasters 2nd identity |
| 00:10.15 | Dave | :) |
| 00:10.19 | Dave | Muwahahah |
| 00:10.23 | raster | man |
| 00:10.27 | raster | screw free/open source |
| 00:10.28 | Dave | Kensan, most of us think you're a bot as well :P |
| 00:10.33 | Dave | hahaha |
| 00:10.34 | Dave | wow |
| 00:10.36 | raster | and all the whiney ":but i want my rights" |
| 00:10.37 | raster | stuff |
| 00:10.39 | Dave | Bold words... |
| 00:10.39 | Kensan | Dave: thanks, same to you. |
| 00:10.54 | BobOfDoom | Dave: so what's wrong with the kernel you've already got then? |
| 00:10.57 | Dave | :) |
| 00:11.06 | Dave | Bob, I didn't try it with raster's treo rootfs? |
| 00:11.09 | Dave | that's all :D |
| 00:11.13 | raster | oss/free software is all about the ability to sit on a chat challen and just "summon" the appropriate expert on somethng at a moments notice |
| 00:11.16 | Dave | Can I just straight out use it? |
| 00:11.17 | raster | try that with apple or ms! |
| 00:11.18 | raster | :) |
| 00:11.24 | BobOfDoom | :D |
| 00:11.37 | raster | summons steve jobs |
| 00:11.38 | Dave | Yes! |
| 00:11.41 | raster | waits |
| 00:11.42 | Dave | haha |
| 00:11.47 | Dave | makes popcorn |
| 00:11.52 | raster | and waits... |
| 00:11.53 | Kensan | glas I am no expert so theres no need to summon me |
| 00:11.56 | Kensan | glad |
| 00:11.59 | raster | and waits some more |
| 00:12.03 | Kensan | summons typos |
| 00:12.05 | raster | gives up |
| 00:12.09 | raster | see? my point! |
| 00:12.10 | raster | :) |
| 00:12.14 | Dave | Good point. |
| 00:12.18 | BobOfDoom | yep, that proves it |
| 00:12.21 | Kensan | piont |
| 00:12.21 | Dave | Raster++ |
| 00:12.23 | raster | hehehehe |
| 00:13.40 | rwhitby | raster: oss/free software is about being able to start a project, and then have experts from all over the world finish it for you. |
| 00:13.51 | raster | rwhitby: HAHAHA |
| 00:13.53 | rwhitby | looks at nslu2-linux.org, and Treo650 Linux ... |
| 00:14.06 | Dave | >:) |
| 00:14.08 | Dave | YES |
| 00:14.10 | Kensan | raster: why is it e17 is still not released? |
| 00:14.13 | Kensan | *harrharrharr* |
| 00:14.16 | raster | i'm sticking to my summoning view of it |
| 00:14.16 | Kensan | ducks |
| 00:14.21 | raster | likes summoning |
| 00:14.32 | rwhitby | raster: the summoning is a key part of my view too |
| 00:14.38 | raster | Kensan: e176 has a fatal flaw. the expert started it! |
| 00:14.40 | raster | err |
| 00:14.41 | raster | e17 |
| 00:14.41 | raster | :) |
| 00:14.48 | rwhitby | (you need to be able to summon the experts when they are slacking off on your project) |
| 00:15.02 | Kensan | raster: you got it all wrong then! |
| 00:15.07 | raster | yeah |
| 00:15.09 | raster | :( |
| 00:16.09 | hipitihop | goes to get some work done. Waves to the inmates .. hopes to see an FR port of Android when he returns |
| 00:17.37 | BobOfDoom | fades back into the void to await his next summons |
| 00:17.52 | raster | BobOfDoom: hehehe |
| 00:18.00 | raster | takes off his wizard hat |
| 00:19.19 | raster | i need to try my new treo650 image actually |
| 00:19.42 | Kensan | summons bed |
| 00:20.36 | raster | do you summon the bed |
| 00:20.40 | raster | or... does the bed summon you? |
| 00:20.45 | raster | that is the question! |
| 00:21.42 | Kensan | raster: That's a tough one. I'll have to sleep over it |
| 00:21.43 | raster | one of these days |
| 00:21.45 | Kensan | :p |
| 00:21.52 | raster | i need to make some device flashing front-end |
| 00:22.01 | raster | where u select your kernel and rootfs and naythgni else |
| 00:22.08 | raster | and it flashes somethnig for your approriate device |
| 00:22.19 | raster | eg for a FR it asks for u to plug it in |
| 00:22.21 | raster | and then just does it |
| 00:22.24 | raster | with nice progress bar |
| 00:22.36 | raster | for a treo - asks for na sd card, partitions it and writes it all for u |
| 00:22.37 | raster | etc. |
| 00:22.40 | raster | etc. etc. |
| 00:22.54 | Kensan | heh |
| 00:23.19 | BobOfDoom | mmm, yeah I was thinking about that also |
| 00:23.24 | Kensan | hm now the FR is stuck booting. |
| 00:23.59 | raster | BobOfDoom: somethnig nice and friendly |
| 00:24.01 | raster | its not hard to do |
| 00:24.14 | raster | just u have to have logic for each "kind" of flash |
| 00:24.18 | raster | a flash over usb via dfu |
| 00:24.27 | raster | or a "make a sd card i can boot from" one |
| 00:24.34 | Dave | Bob, I'll let you know if things explode. |
| 00:24.38 | raster | it'd make for many more people wnating to do it tho |
| 00:24.42 | raster | as it eases the path in |
| 00:24.48 | Kensan | raster: how do I "prelink" meaning which command do I need to issue? |
| 00:25.06 | BobOfDoom | Dave: oh, thanks... erm.. I like to watch explosions |
| 00:25.40 | BobOfDoom | :) |
| 00:25.54 | raster | Kensan: prelink |
| 00:26.26 | Kensan | raster: prelink --all to be precise ;) |
| 00:27.15 | Kensan | raster: I cleaned the initscripts package before building again. It seems that oe didn't think it needed to rebuild the package after I had applied the patches ... |
| 00:27.20 | raster | woo |
| 00:27.30 | raster | holy crap does framwrokd impact the startup of my treo image |
| 00:27.32 | Kensan | sorry for the noise |
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| 00:28.45 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.45 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.45 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.45 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.56 | Kensan | weeee |
| 00:29.01 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.16 | BobOfDoom | guh |
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| 00:29.45 | raster | python sucking up a whopping 7m of unpagable ram |
| 00:29.52 | raster | e is less than half that |
| 00:30.08 | raster | hell |
| 00:30.21 | raster | x is only using 600k |
| 00:30.41 | raster | BobOfDoom: well one stat |
| 00:30.44 | raster | add frameworkd |
| 00:30.59 | raster | and my free mem on boot went from 17 to 8m |
| 00:31.06 | raster | (excluding cache/buffers) |
| 00:31.20 | raster | so 9m lost to the python blob of frameworkd |
| 00:31.40 | raster | it almsot doubled the mem footprint (was 11 before, now 20) |
| 00:31.49 | raster | and not even running a gui for dialler or anything |
| 00:31.50 | raster | :( |
| 00:31.53 | BobOfDoom | :( |
| 00:31.59 | raster | <- unhappy with this |
| 00:32.58 | raster | it also sucks up cpu on startup like a mother |
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| 00:33.11 | raster | this needs love and attention |
| 00:33.27 | Kensan | raster: 67 secs init |
| 00:33.41 | raster | Kensan: with prelink? |
| 00:33.46 | Kensan | yes |
| 00:33.52 | raster | have u got 2 bootcharts from before/after prelink? |
| 00:33.57 | Kensan | yes |
| 00:33.59 | raster | can i look at them (can u generate and upload?) |
| 00:34.03 | raster | pls |
| 00:34.04 | raster | :) |
| 00:34.04 | Kensan | NO |
| 00:34.06 | raster | eg |
| 00:34.08 | Kensan | heh |
| 00:34.10 | raster | did exquisite come up faster |
| 00:34.11 | raster | etc. |
| 00:34.12 | Kensan | I'll mail |
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| 00:34.16 | raster | ok |
| 00:34.18 | raster | mail will be good |
| 00:34.24 | Kensan | wait let me see how big they are |
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| 00:38.28 | Dave | faster raster, faster! |
| 00:38.33 | Kensan | summons bootcharts |
| 00:38.34 | Dave | haha, is that what your wife says? |
| 00:38.53 | Kensan | raster: you should have the charts |
| 00:39.05 | Kensan | damn |
| 00:39.09 | Kensan | 2:39 |
| 00:39.11 | Kensan | need sleep |
| 00:39.43 | Dave | sends Kensan SIGTRANQ |
| 00:39.56 | Dave | nite-nite :] |
| 00:40.03 | Kensan | raster: forgot to mention in the mail |
| 00:40.22 | Kensan | raster: nand-patches + no-hwecc |
| 00:41.10 | raster | bboth of them? |
| 00:41.19 | raster | i am more thinkign "what does prelink do here" |
| 00:41.42 | Kensan | raster: total boottime without debug output etc is now at 65 secs total (incl uboot+kernel+init+x) |
| 00:42.16 | Kensan | raster: I meant nand-patches were applied but no hw-ecc |
| 00:42.31 | Kensan | raster: if you look at them at a later time etc. |
| 00:43.17 | Kensan | raster: fso takes another ~45 secs so it's now under 2 min... |
| 00:43.23 | Kensan | hahaha that's so crappy |
| 00:43.45 | raster | fso is very heavy... considering |
| 00:43.47 | raster | but we know that |
| 00:44.24 | Kensan | raster: no I just realized that the total time is still very high. unacceptable high :( |
| 00:44.27 | Kensan | *sigh* |
| 00:44.33 | raster | hmm |
| 00:44.41 | raster | u added the udev stuff to there |
| 00:44.50 | Kensan | raster: did but needs more tweaking |
| 00:44.57 | raster | exquisite does gain about 2 seconds tho with prelink |
| 00:44.59 | raster | thats good |
| 00:45.55 | Kensan | raster: I don't know how much potential there is |
| 00:46.04 | Kensan | there should be a fair amount still left |
| 00:46.11 | raster | yes |
| 00:46.16 | Kensan | don't know what's realistic though |
| 00:46.31 | raster | e takes 4 seconds just to get to starting its own splash |
| 00:46.46 | raster | 14 secos until fm starts up |
| 00:47.03 | raster | and battery module is alive after about 17sec |
| 00:47.04 | Kensan | raster: udev still needs a lot of time. |
| 00:47.10 | raster | mind u |
| 00:47.19 | raster | if fso wasnt starting... |
| 00:47.22 | raster | it'd be faster |
| 00:47.23 | raster | :) |
| 00:47.40 | Kensan | yeah without fso it's currently at ~65 secs |
| 00:47.43 | raster | xglamo takes 2 seconds until its ready too |
| 00:47.46 | raster | thats a bit much |
| 00:47.59 | raster | u didnt remvoe avahi |
| 00:48.00 | raster | :) |
| 00:48.07 | Kensan | what the? |
| 00:48.10 | Kensan | argh |
| 00:48.18 | raster | avahi dameon still starting |
| 00:48.20 | Kensan | portmap? |
| 00:49.20 | raster | yes |
| 00:49.22 | Dave | :o |
| 00:49.23 | raster | u still have that too |
| 00:49.23 | Kensan | lol |
| 00:49.29 | Dave | but xglamo blowsup |
| 00:49.36 | Kensan | didn't you deactivate them with your patches? |
| 00:49.45 | Kensan | well something is off. |
| 00:49.52 | raster | i am sure i did... |
| 00:50.08 | raster | Kensan: go sleep |
| 00:50.10 | raster | do it tomorrow! |
| 00:50.13 | raster | u'l be grumpy! |
| 00:50.14 | Kensan | ok that's actually good, that that stuff all still starts that means it's all time easily saved :) |
| 00:50.20 | Kensan | I am grumpy already |
| 00:50.26 | Kensan | arr |
| 00:50.42 | raster | hehehe |
| 00:51.42 | Dave | yarr |
| 00:52.22 | Kensan | raster: what's happening after S03udev/udevd starts? there's a 10 sec void until rc picks up... |
| 00:53.11 | raster | hmm |
| 00:53.18 | raster | portmap can be removed i think |
| 00:53.21 | raster | along with avahi |
| 00:53.28 | raster | dropbear should just start later |
| 00:53.39 | raster | networkign could easily be punted off later |
| 00:53.43 | Kensan | yeah |
| 00:53.54 | Kensan | hcid |
| 00:53.58 | raster | udev is definitely a problem |
| 00:54.09 | Kensan | need to take a closer look tomorrow |
| 00:54.14 | raster | xinit -> xglamo ->xsession seems a bit sluggish |
| 00:54.16 | raster | i wodner why |
| 00:54.18 | raster | as i sah |
| 00:54.21 | Kensan | shleeep now |
| 00:54.36 | Kensan | night |
| 00:54.40 | Kensan | and happy hacking. |
| 00:54.45 | raster | e is something i know fairly intimately wihtin its startup |
| 00:54.50 | raster | but thats a matter of digging into e's code |
| 00:54.59 | raster | i know i have cut a lot of corners to make it fast-ish |
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| 01:10.51 | Dave | haha |
| 01:18.33 | raster | i am fairly hapopy with e's startup |
| 01:18.37 | raster | considering how much it does... |
| 01:18.51 | raster | its miles ahead of most thnigs doing the stuff it does |
| 01:19.48 | raster | doesn't mean it cant improve |
| 01:19.49 | raster | :) |
| 01:23.06 | Dave | yep! |
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| 01:36.14 | vallor | how do? |
| 01:40.07 | Kinetic | anyone come across a way to boost the handset mic volume to a reasonable level? |
| 01:40.23 | Kinetic | i have my mic2 volume jacked, and other alsamixer settings don't seem to help :( |
| 01:45.39 | Kinetic | hmmm |
| 01:45.43 | Dave | fucking scap |
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| 01:47.57 | Kinetic | define scap |
| 01:49.02 | Dave | hahaha, oops |
| 01:49.13 | Dave | I dos'ed scap for a moment there again - haha |
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| 01:49.29 | Dave | I should really stop hammering them :) |
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| 01:49.52 | Dave | Sargun. |
| 01:50.26 | Sargun | DAVE. |
| 01:50.30 | Sargun | Dave. |
| 01:52.13 | Sargun | how are you david? |
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| 01:53.21 | Dave | WE HEAR YOU. |
| 01:53.22 | summatusmentis | Sargun: you are everywhere |
| 01:53.29 | Dave | Affirmative. |
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| 01:53.40 | Dave | He is. |
| 01:53.56 | mwester | This moment of strangeness brought to you by the Internet. |
| 01:54.29 | Sargun | I am everywhere. |
| 01:54.29 | Dave | Welcome to #openmoko |
| 01:54.38 | Dave | I AM |
| 01:54.48 | mattl | CALLED DAVE |
| 01:55.00 | Dave | Davenipotent |
| 01:55.26 | mattl | i wonder if Dave and Dave2 have ever been in the same place at the same time. |
| 01:55.33 | rwhitby | attempts to upload his first patch to Android, and finds a problem in the upload system :-) |
| 01:55.43 | rwhitby | mwester: I got a mention on http://source.android.com/known-issues :-) |
| 01:55.54 | Dave | Mattl, of course. |
| 01:56.02 | Dave | rwhitby :D |
| 01:56.09 | tomboy64 | i have illume-config installed - but i can't find where to enable the keyboard-toggle for 2008.9 again? |
| 01:56.14 | mwester | Fame comes in many forms ;) |
| 01:56.18 | mattl | Dave: IRL, Dave2's opener to me was a goatse hand gesture. |
| 01:56.30 | Dave | haha, that fucker :) |
| 01:56.45 | rwhitby | mwester: well, I've lost interest in picking holes in Openmoko's build system, so now it's time to move on to Android ;-) |
| 01:57.02 | mattl | when will Android work on the freerunner? |
| 01:57.14 | Dave | Never! |
| 01:57.18 | rwhitby | mattl: according to Sean McNeil it already does. |
| 01:57.20 | Dave | Come back next year? |
| 01:57.27 | Dave | Who? SEAN? |
| 01:57.38 | Dave | haha, rod |
| 01:57.39 | mattl | rwhitby: where is this McNeil? |
| 01:57.43 | Dave | Indeed. |
| 01:57.57 | rwhitby | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-October/005966.html |
| 01:58.09 | Dave | Man, I have to catch up on that. |
| 01:58.19 | Dave | Mattl, hah, they finally promoted you too? |
| 01:58.23 | rwhitby | of course suspend/resume doesn't work yet :-) |
| 01:58.25 | Dave | Wow, what is this world coming to :) |
| 01:58.36 | mattl | promoted me? |
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| 02:31.52 | Infoport | I was just reading that company Koolu will be selling the FR with Android port in November, and downloads for existing FR owners |
| 02:32.10 | Infoport | http://www.koolu.com/ |
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| 02:33.46 | rwhitby | Infoport: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-October/005966.html |
| 02:34.34 | raster | Infoport: imho that's going to be a lot of hot air. |
| 02:34.45 | raster | maybe some time next year |
| 02:36.15 | Infoport | rwhitby thanks, I read that from your post above. This is from a company selling them, with Jon "maddog" something (writes in Linux Journal sometimes, well known Linux advocate) |
| 02:36.59 | Infoport | raster you think? it seems like it could be at least as stable as ASU, SHR, etc |
| 02:36.59 | rwhitby | yeah, I expect Sean McNeil is developing for Koolu, but don't know for sure. |
| 02:37.41 | raster | Infoport: that means they have a month (basically) to port andorid |
| 02:37.48 | raster | and ensure it works |
| 02:37.57 | rwhitby | raster: they'd had android source access for some time apparently (if Sean McNeil works for Koolu), so they could have it already. |
| 02:38.07 | rwhitby | (modulo kernel and hardware problems) |
| 02:38.12 | raster | rwhitby: i'm dubious - for... many reasons |
| 02:38.14 | Infoport | raster acc. to Sean McNeil, it is already ported, so they have a month to FINISH it |
| 02:38.40 | rwhitby | Does anyone know if Sean McNeil is developing for Koolu? |
| 02:38.45 | raster | (i happen to have heard many thnigs from koolu before and a lot of them have been hot air) |
| 02:39.07 | Infoport | Koolu is a partner for Google Apps, so they probably HAVE had early access |
| 02:39.21 | rwhitby | bricode should know more about this ... |
| 02:40.02 | Infoport | in fact there is a shot of a FR running Android (unless it is a photoshop) |
| 02:40.22 | esthar | So... now the non-free Android SDK portions have been liberated? |
| 02:40.23 | raster | lets see |
| 02:40.25 | raster | i'm dubious |
| 02:40.35 | raster | i will be surprised if they ship somethnig like that in nov. |
| 02:40.42 | rwhitby | raster: I'm skeptical, but won't be surprised. |
| 02:40.51 | raster | rwhitby: with you there |
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| 02:40.56 | raster | nmot saying the task is impossible |
| 02:41.05 | raster | its just not goign to be in nov |
| 02:41.12 | bricode | It will be a lot of work. |
| 02:41.13 | rwhitby | if they have had access for 6 months, it could easily be. |
| 02:41.14 | raster | esthar: the andorid sdk is not free by any means |
| 02:41.23 | Infoport | I'm less interested in them shipping than releasing that port for download :D another boot to try |
| 02:41.27 | raster | baiscally u are not allowed to use it for anything but android development |
| 02:41.27 | rwhitby | bricode: is Sean McNeil involved with you guys?> |
| 02:41.32 | bricode | We're looking at having something available to people for evaluation purposes. |
| 02:41.38 | bricode | rwhitby: No. |
| 02:41.39 | raster | cannot revrse engineer any of it |
| 02:41.40 | raster | etc. |
| 02:41.48 | esthar | So a custom proprietary license. |
| 02:41.49 | esthar | Blah |
| 02:41.51 | rwhitby | raster: that's not true of the source, only the binary download |
| 02:42.00 | esthar | So is that the biggest issue with the Android? |
| 02:42.16 | esthar | I own a FR and I'm trying to understand how OpenMoko stacks up to Android freedom-wise |
| 02:42.19 | rwhitby | you can rebuild the binary from the source and not be encumbered by the binary SDK download license they had before the source was released |
| 02:42.32 | raster | hmm |
| 02:42.35 | raster | why add restrictions then? |
| 02:42.48 | rwhitby | it's the old license from when the source was not released |
| 02:42.58 | rwhitby | they haven't done an SDK update |
| 02:42.58 | bricode | raster: They're required. Reverse engineering is illegal in the US for example. |
| 02:42.59 | Infoport | hmm interesting. I *do* have a philisophical bent to my computing, so it matters to me too |
| 02:43.18 | raster | bricode: let's see if u ship in nov. |
| 02:43.19 | rwhitby | From what I can see, they've done a squeaky clean Apache release. |
| 02:43.25 | raster | bricode: required? they're never "required" |
| 02:43.32 | raster | its an additional restriction |
| 02:43.41 | raster | there is NO requirement to restrict reverse enigneering |
| 02:43.41 | bricode | raster: Yes, lets see if we can. |
| 02:43.47 | raster | its an option they chose to add. |
| 02:44.00 | Infoport | bricode only as far as it is used to circumvent protection of a product |
| 02:44.03 | bricode | raster: If it is more functional than 2007.2, we will have succeeded. |
| 02:44.08 | raster | bricode: i think you're more likely to do it q1 next year if u are already head down, bum up in it |
| 02:44.14 | rwhitby | raster: when talking to the business guys who handed over the millions to be part of the OHA, you can bet they made it a requirement ;-) |
| 02:45.02 | rwhitby | Anyway, I'm yet to see someone who has actually looked at the Android source code release find a problem with it. |
| 02:45.06 | raster | rwhitby: yes - but its an optionakl one |
| 02:45.11 | raster | nothnig in law requires you to do that |
| 02:45.15 | rwhitby | raster: agreed. |
| 02:45.16 | BobOfDoom | bricode: reverse engineering (in general) is not illegal in the US |
| 02:45.23 | esthar | So...I'm still not 100% clear on the freedom of the Android platform. I'm happy with my Freerunner, but I want to know if Android phones are something I would recommend to others. I get bad vibes honestly. |
| 02:45.38 | raster | its essentially stupid - if you provide all the source |
| 02:45.43 | raster | its a pointles srestriction |
| 02:45.54 | raster | of course.. if in future you intend to not provide source for blobs of the sdk.. |
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| 02:45.58 | raster | then it makes sense |
| 02:45.58 | raster | :) |
| 02:45.58 | rwhitby | raster: that's the point - they DIDN'T release the source back then |
| 02:46.10 | bricode | Sorry, my mistake. As per Infoport. |
| 02:46.22 | bricode | raster: I think you underestimate the power of deep pockets. |
| 02:46.22 | esthar | So is all the source available for the OS *and* the SDK now? Licensed freely? |
| 02:46.28 | rwhitby | raster: and they have left the door open for SDK blobs without source. |
| 02:46.38 | raster | rwhitby: yes :) |
| 02:46.42 | rwhitby | esthar: Apache 2.0 |
| 02:46.56 | raster | that i guess is the point |
| 02:47.00 | rwhitby | c'mon people - read it for yourselfs instead of listening to FUD |
| 02:47.01 | esthar | rwhitby: For 100% of both the OS and the SDK? It's all Apache 2 licensed? |
| 02:47.08 | raster | bricode: oh - i know the power of deep pockets. it's al about money |
| 02:47.22 | BobOfDoom | esthar: no, some is GPLed, where they used existing projects. liek the kernel |
| 02:47.27 | raster | what i do not like is the "blow the open/linux" trumpet |
| 02:47.29 | rwhitby | esthar: look in the LICENSE files on the git repo I just gave you |
| 02:47.38 | raster | but under the covers make sure that you are ready to close things off |
| 02:47.40 | esthar | Okay so it's 100% freely licensed though, right? |
| 02:47.45 | raster | and clearly work hard towards that goal |
| 02:47.45 | bricode | raster: Most of the time. |
| 02:47.47 | raster | like bsd libc |
| 02:47.49 | raster | not glibc |
| 02:47.53 | esthar | OT: where to buy 16GB microSD cards? |
| 02:47.55 | rwhitby | esthar: neither is Openmoko ... |
| 02:48.01 | raster | and replace pretty much the entire userspace (Except kernel) with bsd stuff |
| 02:48.07 | Infoport | bbl I need to do some chores so food can be made |
| 02:48.13 | raster | i'm suspicious of it |
| 02:48.17 | esthar | rwhitby: OpenMoko as far as I understand requires non-free firmware for 2-3 components, but all drivers and software is 100% Free. |
| 02:48.17 | BobOfDoom | esthar: depending on your definition of free. It's all OSI licensed at least :p |
| 02:48.25 | raster | as it basically means vendors can (and will) close off as much of the os as they can |
| 02:48.29 | raster | or will begin trying |
| 02:48.31 | rwhitby | esthar: and the same seems to be true for Android. |
| 02:48.45 | esthar | rwhitby: but the G1 has UMTS support |
| 02:48.50 | esthar | There are free UMTS drivers?? |
| 02:48.55 | raster | but let's see |
| 02:49.11 | rwhitby | esthar: same deal as in openmoko - kernel driver to closed radio stack |
| 02:49.44 | rwhitby | BobOfDoom: Apache 2.0 is GPLv3 compatible |
| 02:49.45 | esthar | rwhitby: Well shoot. I thought there were just plain no free UMTS drivers (irrespective of firmware available). |
| 02:50.27 | rwhitby | esthar: that's my understanding, I could be wrong. |
| 02:50.38 | rwhitby | (haven't delved that deep into the kernel code yet) |
| 02:50.43 | esthar | Hrrmmm |
| 02:50.55 | esthar | That makes me want UMTS support for GTA03 instead of waiting for GTA04 |
| 02:51.21 | BobOfDoom | rwhitby: it's compatible with GPLv3 but not 2 according to wikipedia |
| 02:51.24 | esthar | GTA03 will have EDGE and a camera as I understand, but no UMTS. I thought it was a freedom issue preventing UMTS inclusion in GTA03. |
| 02:51.44 | rwhitby | BobOfDoom: correct. But FSF is all about GPLv3, now, so they've redefined "Free (as in FSF)" |
| 02:51.45 | gurugentoo | has anyone had problems with a large number of files (a gentoo portage tree + normal root files) on their microSD cards? it gives me out of space messages when df reports the partition as half-full |
| 02:52.17 | rwhitby | esthar: I thought it was 3G licensing fees ... |
| 02:52.56 | BobOfDoom | gurugentoo: probably out of inodes |
| 02:53.04 | BobOfDoom | gurugentoo: try: df -i |
| 02:54.16 | raster | esthar: umts is not a freedom restircter. the problem is cost. |
| 02:54.36 | raster | esthar: finding a 3g gsm modem module that u can talk a documented protocol to (at commands) that is small and power-efficient |
| 02:54.42 | raster | and doesnt cost a fortune |
| 02:54.46 | raster | thats the problem |
| 02:54.49 | rwhitby | yep |
| 02:54.55 | gurugentoo | BobOfDoom: I was afraid it was that, can the number be increased? |
| 02:55.48 | BobOfDoom | gurugentoo: what filesystem is it? ext2/3? check the -N option in mkfs.ext3 manpage |
| 02:56.12 | gurugentoo | BobOfDoom: ext2, I'll look |
| 02:56.25 | BobOfDoom | gurugentoo: AFAIK you can't increase inodes without reformatting for ext2/3 though. So you'll have to tar up everything on your PC, recreate it with more inodes and untar |
| 02:56.53 | Dave | haha, sweet |
| 02:56.57 | Dave | now I need more sd cards! |
| 02:57.16 | Dave | begins breeding an army |
| 02:57.16 | gurugentoo | BobOfDoom: goodie!! |
| 02:57.41 | raster | Dave: oh oh... your gang is expanding |
| 02:58.01 | raster | rwhitby: 3g is a nasty piece of work :( |
| 02:58.13 | doc|home | slightly off-topic, anyone know of a company that rebrands fic laptops in north america? |
| 02:59.23 | raster | doc|home: everex |
| 02:59.54 | doc|home | raster: thanks |
| 03:01.10 | doc|home | I think they only have older kit |
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| 03:26.02 | rwhitby | contributes his first fix for the Android build system: http://review.source.android.com/1205 |
| 03:28.11 | daMaestro | rwhitby, rm -rf / ? |
| 03:28.57 | daMaestro | rwhitby, ;-) ... i see you are the very first? |
| 03:29.24 | daMaestro | gah, is that google app engine :-/ |
| 03:29.56 | rwhitby | daMaestro: only the first for that git repo |
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| 03:36.15 | rwhitby | daMaestro: hmm - maybe it is the first: http://review.source.android.com/all |
| 03:36.49 | BobOfDoom | rwhitby: I saw one there before |
| 03:36.59 | rwhitby | BobOfDoom: damn! |
| 03:37.00 | BobOfDoom | rwhitby: maybe it deletes applied patches |
| 03:37.08 | rwhitby | strikes it from his resume ... |
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| 03:37.38 | BobOfDoom | haha |
| 03:38.00 | daMaestro | git++ |
| 03:38.08 | rwhitby | still can't get the thing to build though |
| 03:39.02 | BobOfDoom | rwhitby: just be a little more creative, put "Contributed to Android within 14 hours of it being released" |
| 03:39.35 | rwhitby | BobOfDoom: "Key contributor to Android source code release" |
| 03:39.46 | BobOfDoom | :D |
| 03:39.50 | BobOfDoom | even better |
| 03:40.07 | rwhitby | I did contribute a "key" of sorts (had to register an account) |
| 03:41.01 | BobOfDoom | Assisted untold thousands of developers who do not have Java installed from a terrible plight of mysterious error messages. Global hero. |
| 03:41.49 | rwhitby | "Enabled increased efficiency of world-wide Android development process" |
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| 03:49.44 | mwester | Fame comes in many forms ;) |
| 03:51.39 | doc|home | some of them stinking slightly of bullshit :) |
| 03:52.57 | rwhitby | doc|home: amen ;-) |
| 03:57.03 | Dave | What's up doc |
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| 04:00.52 | roh | meh |
| 04:01.11 | roh | news from the front: docs.openmoko.org is now 0.11.1 .. so if it burps, please tell me ;) |
| 04:01.45 | roh | minor update.. but i cleaned up the directories a bit and serving static content changed a bit.. so one never knows |
| 04:01.56 | rwhitby | roh: sweet - we use that version here at my company, and it's been chugging along fine. |
| 04:02.45 | roh | jap.. same here for the 3 other tracs and the private one(s) i have.. |
| 04:03.07 | roh | still e.g. we have some patches in accountmanagerplugin and a custom hook stuff etc... |
| 04:03.21 | roh | did funny things before ;) |
| 04:04.05 | roh | i am really interrested in trac 0.12 for docs... to use a real git plugin and have multirepo-support.. *eg* |
| 04:07.02 | roh | is staring at https://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1582 and https://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1519 right now... any comments? somebody? |
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| 04:07.59 | poutine | Could someone please tell me where I can find the old svn path's trunk/src/target/uboot/patches ? |
| 04:08.20 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.41 | poutine | also what's the deal with all the changes in revision control systems |
| 04:08.48 | poutine | it changes more often than I change my underpants |
| 04:10.20 | roh | it was just a quilt patchset in svn |
| 04:10.40 | roh | and is a patchset in git ontop of uboot from upstream now |
| 04:11.01 | poutine | hmm, well I have a newly acquired s3c2440 board, and I've seen many SVN messages relating to patches that are for this board |
| 04:11.04 | roh | much more relaxing for devels once you know git |
| 04:11.28 | poutine | I learned CVS and SVN for work, I've read about git and it sounds like one of the worst ideas I've ever heard of |
| 04:11.45 | roh | git is streamlined for kernel.org style operation |
| 04:11.54 | roh | maintaining patches. not repos |
| 04:11.55 | poutine | "linux uses it" does not impress me |
| 04:11.57 | poutine | :) |
| 04:12.31 | roh | to make the story short: when you want to work with upstream which is git (true for kernel and uboot) you have less pain using also git. |
| 04:12.34 | poutine | granted the projects I work on are only committed to by ~50 people |
| 04:12.53 | roh | centralistic use is not that 'typical' for git |
| 04:13.39 | rwhitby | openembedded uses git now too. |
| 04:13.46 | poutine | So for someone who has no interest in this project (it looks like a very nice project) other than a patch, how could I obtain these patches? |
| 04:13.53 | roh | duh.. svn just makes no sense there ;) |
| 04:14.23 | roh | same for the kernel or uboot (anyhting where you merge like mad with upstream and multiple downstream contributors) |
| 04:14.31 | poutine | git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/u-boot.git openmoko/u-boot |
| 04:14.39 | poutine | slow as hell, and it did not contain any such patches |
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| 04:16.04 | roh | heh.. you never were bothered with mtn... git is quite fast for the amount to data it handles (if not our git daemons sucks again) |
| 04:16.29 | rwhitby | roh: amen to that |
| 04:16.51 | BobOfDoom | poutine: you mean you want the changes against upstream u-boot as patch files? |
| 04:17.09 | roh | *sigh* .. if i now only knew what the devels _really_ want when it comes to trac custom ticket fields |
| 04:17.37 | BobOfDoom | poutine: just type "git format-patch master stable" in the repo you cloned |
| 04:19.05 | poutine | fatal: ambiguous argument 'stable': unknown revision or path not in the working tree. |
| 04:19.17 | BobOfDoom | ah |
| 04:19.19 | BobOfDoom | sorry |
| 04:19.24 | BobOfDoom | I forgot it doesn't create local branches |
| 04:19.29 | BobOfDoom | try this: |
| 04:19.41 | BobOfDoom | git format-patch origin/master origin/stable |
| 04:20.06 | BobOfDoom | woah |
| 04:20.09 | BobOfDoom | actually maybe not |
| 04:20.14 | BobOfDoom | that's everything |
| 04:20.15 | roh | rwhitby something like that? http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/PeerReviewPlugin |
| 04:20.21 | roh | uhm.. wrong window |
| 04:20.25 | poutine | how many are there? |
| 04:20.43 | BobOfDoom | looks like "master" isn't what I thought it was |
| 04:20.46 | poutine | nm |
| 04:20.48 | poutine | I got them all |
| 04:21.04 | BobOfDoom | git checkout origin/stable |
| 04:21.07 | rwhitby | roh: oh, cool. thanks! |
| 04:21.13 | BobOfDoom | will get you the tree |
| 04:21.17 | poutine | BobOfDoom, so is this copy wrong? |
| 04:21.52 | BobOfDoom | poutine: I think that format-patches generated a whole bunch of upstream patches too |
| 04:22.08 | roh | rwhitby its amazing how many extremely practical and simple plugins there are... its just quite a art to get a well playing solution from the 'right ones' ;) |
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| 04:22.29 | rwhitby | roh: have you seen 'Bitten' ? |
| 04:22.59 | BobOfDoom | hmm something funny is going on there, it's generating a whole bunch of "initial revision" patches for me |
| 04:23.05 | roh | yeah.. want that too.. as soon as we have working multirepo trac and can add all the git repos to docs |
| 04:24.07 | roh | rwhitby already showed it some oe guys.. still need someone deeper into oe hacking 'direct oe support' for bitten, else we would need to call it via shell (which is dirty and limits the magic completeness of features) |
| 04:24.15 | BobOfDoom | poutine: ahh... if that generated too many patches for you too, try: git checkout origin/stable; git format-patch origin/master |
| 04:24.31 | BobOfDoom | poutine: sorry about that, I'm out of practice ;) |
| 04:24.39 | BobOfDoom | poutine: there should be 102 patches |
| 04:25.34 | poutine | thank you, I will go over the information again |
| 04:27.36 | poutine | beautiful |
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| 04:28.34 | roh | poutine you may also take a look at 'qi' |
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| 04:28.51 | poutine | 'qi? |
| 04:29.19 | roh | http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qi.git |
| 04:29.26 | BobOfDoom | poutine: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qi.git;a=summary |
| 04:29.30 | roh | its _'do only what you need' and use linux for the rest booting |
| 04:29.32 | BobOfDoom | it's a lighter-weight bootloader for the openmokos |
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| 04:29.53 | roh | to end the gigantic code-duplication between uboot and the kernel.. |
| 04:30.36 | roh | basically the kernel needs to do all the init previously uboot did for it. qi only does 'load from flash and enable enough ram before' |
| 04:30.47 | poutine | well I have a NOR flash just for the bootloader eh? |
| 04:30.50 | dskippy | I am having trouble understanding how to flash my freerunner with FDOM. I have flashed versions of ALU, FSO, and Qtopia and then always have a .bin and a .jffs2 file that I flash with dfu-util -a kernal and -a rootfs respectively. |
| 04:31.28 | dskippy | On the download page for FDOM there is a jffs2 and a tar.gz file which appears to contain the filesystem as well. |
| 04:31.35 | dskippy | How do I flash FDOM? |
| 04:31.54 | raster | dfu-util |
| 04:32.27 | BobOfDoom | dskippy: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 04:32.30 | dskippy | Raster, yes, as I mentioned I usually use dfu-util. |
| 04:33.04 | BobOfDoom | dskippy: flash the jffs2 |
| 04:33.10 | gurugentoo | you can just keep your current kernel |
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| 04:33.21 | gurugentoo | depending on which it is |
| 04:33.32 | dskippy | gurugentoo: I've got the 2008.09 kernel on there now. |
| 04:33.50 | dskippy | That sounds like the most likely to match. |
| 04:34.13 | dskippy | So I don't need to reflash the kernel and I probably don't need this tar.gz file either. |
| 04:34.18 | gurugentoo | I believe that should work, |
| 04:34.20 | gurugentoo | yes |
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| 04:34.26 | dskippy | Just do the dfu-util -a rootfs |
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| 04:34.55 | dskippy | Great, thanks. I guess that means that FDOM didn't need to release any bug fixes to the kernel then. Just the programs in the rootfs. |
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| 05:41.04 | raster | ro i created it with /usr/share/owrds/dict |
| 05:41.04 | gurugentoo | can anyone tell me what to pass to crossdev to build a compiler for distcc (gentoo)? |
| 05:41.12 | raster | and frequency information snarfed off the net |
| 05:41.14 | raster | and scripts |
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| 05:47.04 | gurugentoo | would `crossdev -t armv4tl` be sufficient? |
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| 05:50.41 | rooly | okay, raster. was just wondering when i found words like cunt, bitch, fuck, ass, shit, and nigger in it |
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| 05:52.21 | cjb_ie | rooly: do you always look for such words in dictionaries? :-) |
| 05:52.47 | rooly | nah, but i was typing and out of the blue the word "dicks" popped up so i went to look and see what else i could find |
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| 05:53.39 | rwhitby | watches the new australian internet censorship police swoop down on raster ... |
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| 06:01.38 | raster | rooly: i see no reason to censor it |
| 06:01.44 | rooly | me either |
| 06:01.47 | rooly | was just wondering |
| 06:01.48 | raster | its words that the standard linux dict has in it |
| 06:01.49 | raster | so.. why not |
| 06:01.50 | raster | :) |
| 06:02.03 | raster | i am pretty sure you'll be needing some of those from time to time when writign an sms |
| 06:02.13 | rooly | just not used to phone dictionaries having those words built-in |
| 06:02.33 | raster | silly corporates and their moral police |
| 06:02.37 | rooly | lol |
| 06:02.47 | raster | the dictionary has the word (eg oxford or websters) |
| 06:02.52 | rooly | the worst i've ever seen a phone dictionary have is shit or bitch |
| 06:02.56 | raster | so why not an electronic typo-fixer dict too |
| 06:03.06 | raster | its not too rude to be in a real dict |
| 06:03.28 | rooly | btw...do you think you could add some soft space around the outter letters? |
| 06:04.35 | rooly | because it's real hard to type when your trying to hit those and missing because you went too far out |
| 06:05.02 | rooly | just a suggestion |
| 06:05.03 | rooly | anywho |
| 06:05.05 | rooly | going play spring |
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| 06:08.09 | cjb_ie | rooly: my nokias go a step beyond that. they seem to refuse to learn some words. |
| 06:08.37 | rooly | haha, ouch |
| 06:09.22 | raster | ro what e/illume do you use?> |
| 06:09.33 | cjb_ie | i'm offered dual, duck, eval and dubl (for dublin) if i try to enter 'fuck' |
| 06:09.50 | raster | i fixed a bug where if u didnt hit a letter - it wouldnt register a hit at all |
| 06:09.56 | raster | (eg hit blank space around the edges) |
| 06:09.59 | raster | that was fixed ages ago |
| 06:10.25 | raster | cjb_ie: fuck! |
| 06:12.11 | cjb_ie | i'm reminded of apple's ipod engraving service refusing the name 'nigel' as being inappropriate |
| 06:14.24 | raster | damn nigels |
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| 06:40.25 | rooly | raster. what have you found easier: just restarting a word or trying to erase it each time you mess up while typing on the illume keyboard |
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| 06:45.43 | raster | rooly: just restart |
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| 07:05.36 | gurugentoo | ok, I answered my own question: `crossdev -t armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi` |
| 07:06.15 | methril | G'morning |
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| 07:09.40 | gurugentoo | morning? |
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| 07:12.59 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:16.24 | kd8ikt | good morning |
| 07:17.04 | kd8ikt | mokomake (still building) :P |
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| 07:17.23 | kd8ikt | think i started it around this morning |
| 07:17.42 | kd8ikt | Wed Oct 22 03:17:41 EDT 2008 |
| 07:18.11 | rooly | woo hoo! |
| 07:18.13 | rooly | guess what |
| 07:18.15 | rooly | i'm older today |
| 07:18.17 | rooly | horay for me! |
| 07:18.38 | gurugentoo | I'm in the process of building a crosscompiler toolchain for distcc hehe |
| 07:18.58 | gurugentoo | ah, just finished, cool |
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| 07:21.07 | gurugentoo | wow...emerge takes a good bit longer on the phone |
| 07:21.15 | gurugentoo | this could be a while |
| 07:21.41 | gurugentoo | and that's just calculating dependencies |
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| 07:24.37 | CM_work | gurugentoo: Cool stuff though :) |
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| 07:27.22 | ColdFyre | imagine the neo with 12 megs of cache, a quad 3ghz cpu, and 64 gigs ddr3 |
| 07:30.27 | kd8ikt | now imagine fitting it in your pocket |
| 07:30.58 | gromez | and it shutdowns after 2sec of call |
| 07:30.59 | kd8ikt | your pockets probably have more space than mine |
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| 07:40.42 | gurugentoo | ColdFyre: what quad core supports 64GB of ram lol? |
| 07:42.35 | ColdFyre | intel 5400SF boards |
| 07:42.44 | ColdFyre | dual quadcore boards |
| 07:42.55 | ColdFyre | 128 gig max i think |
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| 07:43.14 | gurugentoo | wow |
| 07:43.30 | ColdFyre | we have those at my work |
| 07:43.38 | ColdFyre | i get to play with them daily |
| 07:43.42 | gurugentoo | those are server boards I'm assuming? |
| 07:43.57 | ColdFyre | http://www.intel.com/products/server/motherboards/s5400sf/s5400sf-overview.htm |
| 07:44.00 | ColdFyre | yes |
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| 07:44.36 | ColdFyre | it's 64 gig max, i lied |
| 07:44.39 | gurugentoo | ok so you wouldn't typically have one on your desk |
| 07:44.47 | gurugentoo | those are nice |
| 07:45.10 | ColdFyre | i've never seen a regular geek with those |
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| 07:45.58 | gurugentoo | my connection just went to hell, wtf |
| 07:45.59 | ColdFyre | get an IBM x3450 and you get one of those |
| 07:46.05 | gurugentoo | I hate this isp |
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| 07:49.34 | gurugentoo | hmm distcc isn't distributing |
| 07:53.54 | ColdFyre | i was goint to put gentoo on my phone |
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| 07:53.57 | ColdFyre | have not had the time |
| 07:54.11 | ColdFyre | what dialing program are you using? |
| 07:54.25 | gurugentoo | I haven't gotten that far yet |
| 07:54.38 | ColdFyre | what did you plan on using :p |
| 07:54.53 | gurugentoo | zhone from the fso stuff |
| 07:55.01 | ColdFyre | ah |
| 07:55.06 | gurugentoo | it works well in debian |
| 07:55.28 | gurugentoo | very responsive, but a bit simplistic |
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| 07:56.51 | gurugentoo | I want to know why I'm still able to use irc but I can't ping google...it's like my isp is blocking dns right now |
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| 07:57.19 | dns53 | there are some doing it |
| 07:57.48 | gurugentoo | can you give me a google ip to ping? |
| 07:58.20 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r2aceeef256fd 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/ (fso_actions.py leds_actions.py oevents.py trigger.py): |
| 07:58.20 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Several actions can share the leds |
| 07:58.20 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: This is a little bit experimental, |
| 07:58.20 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: each led object keeps track of 'who' is using it and can then solve conflicts |
| 07:58.20 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: (for example if one action turns a led off and an other one turns it on, the led will be on) |
| 07:58.24 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: The drawback is that it only works with 'while' type rules. |
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| 07:59.04 | cjb_ie | 66.249.91.147 66.249.91.103 66.249.91.104 |
| 08:00.37 | gurugentoo | cjb_ie: thanks |
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| 08:01.31 | gurugentoo | yep, I can ping those just fine |
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| 08:34.35 | Zero_Dogg | Is it possible to use the 2007 multitap pad on 2008.8? |
| 08:35.06 | lindi- | Zero_Dogg: why not? |
| 08:35.56 | Zero_Dogg | lindi-: why not what? |
| 08:36.08 | lindi- | Zero_Dogg: why would it not be possible to use multitap-pad? |
| 08:37.31 | Zero_Dogg | lindi-: I just haven't seen any packages or anything for it, and it's not listed in the 'keyboard debate' wiki page under the various input options, so I assumed it would require a lot of hacking to get working |
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| 08:37.58 | lindi- | Zero_Dogg: just package it? |
| 08:39.19 | Zero_Dogg | lindi-: heh, if it even compiles on 2008. Don't have that much time to mess around with it, and definetely don't have time to maintain it |
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| 09:11.18 | tomer_work | anyone with android on his FR yet? |
| 09:14.04 | Kred | tomer_work: no. Please look at OM community list for more information. There's already a thread for this issue. |
| 09:15.50 | MrShleee | but it would be worth asking in the android community |
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| 09:16.22 | MrShleee | As they need to port to the FR arm.. |
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| 09:18.57 | mjr | see the lists, there is already a port, patches are supposedly being pushed in |
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| 09:28.10 | Hire | it just works on gta02 |
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| 09:28.27 | Hire | mcneil says this |
| 09:28.45 | Hire | and an image will be release "soon" |
| 09:30.26 | mjr | 'course, what applies for that too, and hopefully included in this "back to basics" thing openmoko needs to do is to get the fucking suspend operational |
| 09:31.46 | Hire | i don't know |
| 09:31.51 | Hire | however android is nice |
| 09:32.07 | Hire | but i prefer the fso as framework |
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| 09:32.45 | Hire | because it don't has problem with suspend |
| 09:33.59 | lindi- | Hire: isn't it a kernel issue? |
| 09:34.20 | mjr | well, I prefer debian as an os ('cause it doesn't make one jump through too many new hoops to compile and package for) and that has fso packaged, and it seems theoretically nice, if it wasn't insanely buggy. Anyway, kernel issues afaik with the suspend are still present, or I'm grossly misinformed |
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| 09:34.53 | toggles_w | mjr: insanley buggy? |
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| 09:34.57 | lindi- | i'm bit worried that fso will overengineer things |
| 09:35.08 | toggles_w | you talking the whole framework or just zhone or? |
| 09:35.23 | lindi- | me? |
| 09:35.30 | Hire | lindi- : yes and no |
| 09:35.32 | toggles_w | nah, sorry, mjr |
| 09:35.46 | Hire | but with the fso i have a full suspend/resume without problem |
| 09:35.58 | toggles_w | Hire: ms3? |
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| 09:36.14 | Hire | with the echo issue and re-register ( ti calypso bounce ) issue resolved |
| 09:36.19 | Hire | so, without a problem |
| 09:36.29 | Hire | toggles_w: no, a testing version |
| 09:36.34 | mjr | toggles_w, well I don't know, whatever part cuts calls in the middle and doesn't properly receive text messages, probably at least partly zhone. |
| 09:36.38 | toggles_w | Hire: thanks |
| 09:37.19 | toggles_w | mjr: k, i have those issues too with ms3, i still think fso is pretty good for where it's at |
| 09:38.07 | lindi- | mjr: i often see that i need to restart zhone to see the messages |
| 09:39.39 | mjr | lindi-, yes, it seems that way |
| 09:39.52 | mjr | (I just rebooted, but meh) |
| 09:40.14 | mjr | anyway, since getting calls interrupted midcall for no good reason is ... kind of a killer |
| 09:40.24 | mjr | I switched back to 2007.2. Again. |
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| 09:41.05 | lindi- | if only saunalahti sent the second sim card already i could do more extensive experimenting |
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| 09:41.58 | Nobody96 | moin |
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| 09:57.06 | z3cka | so, is everybody pumped about the android news? |
| 09:57.29 | ulf | no |
| 09:57.42 | z3cka | what?!!? |
| 09:57.48 | z3cka | why not? |
| 09:58.01 | ulf | don't know? |
| 09:58.15 | lindi- | z3cka: pumped? |
| 09:58.36 | mjr | not really |
| 09:58.41 | mjr | why should we be? |
| 09:58.55 | z3cka | i love using my Neo Freerunner with the FDOM but can't wait to get something that works better |
| 09:59.17 | z3cka | lindi: pumped = excited |
| 09:59.43 | lindi- | z3cka: i haven't seen FDOM source code, can't be excited about that |
| 10:00.29 | z3cka | me either... i just use the images |
| 10:00.31 | transylvania | is there a real alternative to qtopia 4.3 ? om2008.9/10 is not really usable for every day and qtextended seems full of bug |
| 10:00.32 | ulf | z3cka: ah, you mean excited, sorry then i missunderstand you |
| 10:00.36 | mjr | 'course, this means that maybe some android devices will be actually open |
| 10:01.08 | mjr | this doesn't mean that the fr immediately runs well with it because of low-level problems |
| 10:01.12 | z3cka | ulf: no worries... i'm excited |
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| 10:01.18 | dns53 | well fso will be good in a few months, for a phone stick with qtopia or 2008.9 |
| 10:01.38 | z3cka | mjr: true |
| 10:02.06 | ulf | you run fso with or without debian? |
| 10:02.38 | z3cka | i find fso to be clunky at the moment, i like the Fat and Dirty release of the 2008.9 |
| 10:02.51 | z3cka | ulf: yes |
| 10:02.53 | Tm_T | Qtextended 4.4.2 is ok |
| 10:03.11 | MrShleee | 4.4.2 has alot of small issues |
| 10:03.22 | Tm_T | it does |
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| 10:03.28 | Tm_T | but mostly works |
| 10:03.41 | Tm_T | is waiting 4.5 release |
| 10:04.04 | Tm_T | so I will put Plasma to my phone |
| 10:04.16 | z3cka | with FDOM i have successfully used the phone (although volume management is a pain), SMS text messaging, wifi with DHCP from GUI, and GPS with tangoGPS |
| 10:04.44 | lindi- | z3cka: i think you can do that with the proprietary stuff too :) |
| 10:05.12 | z3cka | lindi: 2008.8 ? |
| 10:05.13 | mjr | so does fdom actually work as a phone, like, at least as well as 2007.2? |
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| 10:05.42 | z3cka | i skipped the 2007.x releases |
| 10:05.54 | z3cka | so i don't know |
| 10:06.02 | mjr | 'cause I suppose I could succumb to that, fso/zhone being too shitty still |
| 10:06.26 | z3cka | zhone is funky |
| 10:07.30 | z3cka | crap... 3am... must go to sleep. bye yall... happy openMoko + Android day! |
| 10:07.41 | mjr | z3cka, does it routinely lose calls and messages, cut calls, refuse to make calls or messages or that shit? |
| 10:08.13 | z3cka | calls it works prettyt well |
| 10:08.19 | z3cka | *pretty |
| 10:08.48 | z3cka | SMS client "Messages" stops responding after a while |
| 10:09.17 | z3cka | the problem with the phone functionality is the volume |
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| 10:10.04 | z3cka | have to install a python volume manager script that works OK but not without bugs |
| 10:10.24 | z3cka | quality is good though |
| 10:11.17 | z3cka | haven't dropped a call yet... but haven't made many calls either |
| 10:11.52 | z3cka | it was kind of weird to try to switch over to a call waiting... but i suspect user error |
| 10:12.05 | z3cka | okay got to go... peace |
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| 10:18.56 | MrShleee | Tm_T: What have you heard about the future QT releases? anything soild or a time frame? |
| 10:19.00 | MrShleee | or just the future.. |
| 10:19.36 | leinir | That's a good question... But surely that would be better aimed at Apple? ;) |
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| 10:28.30 | Zorkman_ | is there anyone who is able to suspend resume in qt extended, withouth corrupting the SD? |
| 10:28.50 | Zorkman_ | i dualboot with FDOM, but when qtext has suspended once my FDOM doesn't boot anymore |
| 10:28.57 | Zorkman_ | lpotter? |
| 10:29.12 | leinir | mine's not borken at all for a long time now |
| 10:29.22 | leinir | roughly coenciding with installing mwester's kernel ;) |
| 10:29.38 | Zorkman_ | and you dualboot sometimes and let qtopia suspend? |
| 10:29.53 | Zorkman_ | (i am not using the newest mwester kernel) |
| 10:30.13 | leinir | i don't dualboot, but i've got an 8 gig card, with qt extended on the main flash, and it's not died since i switched to using that |
| 10:31.02 | Zorkman_ | yeah but the problem only appears when i'm dualbooting |
| 10:31.15 | Zorkman_ | strangely when i just "use" the sD card i have no problem |
| 10:31.15 | leinir | Right |
| 10:31.24 | leinir | dunno, i'm afraid :) |
| 10:31.38 | Zorkman_ | thanks anyway |
| 10:31.51 | Zorkman_ | too bad it's still this way.. |
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| 10:32.05 | Zorkman_ | it would be great to have qtopia for a phone and FDOM or something similar as a PDA |
| 10:32.13 | Zorkman_ | (would be even greater to have it all in one.....) |
| 10:33.50 | leinir | Have you got qtopia on the phone or on the sd? |
| 10:34.02 | leinir | (the only right answer is the first one, as the second isn't supposed to work ;) ) |
| 10:37.36 | Zorkman_ | qtopia on the phone |
| 10:37.52 | Zorkman_ | i put the other distro on the SD |
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| 10:38.01 | Zorkman_ | but after a suspendr-resume, booting no longer works |
| 10:38.32 | sandman | So, I wanted to say that if you wanted to popularize the OpenMoko, you ought to make Debian-ARM the default installation. |
| 10:38.42 | sandman | And make the work done so far on the current state of things a package in the repo. |
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| 10:38.46 | Zorkman_ | (I have 4 partitions on it, first one is FAT32 of 8MB for my kernel, the others are 1GB, 1GB and 4GB in ext2) |
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| 10:50.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | Zorkman: boot no longer works means your sd isn't fit for boot anymore? |
| 10:51.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | probably that's the mbr-killer bug then |
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| 11:14.05 | mmaestri | hi all |
| 11:14.18 | mmaestri | surely all of you already know, but |
| 11:14.28 | mmaestri | it's out there http://source.android.com/ |
| 11:14.30 | toggles_w | mwester sighs... |
| 11:16.38 | rhkfin | mmaestri: yep, we know :) |
| 11:16.58 | ||Leto|| | is there a gui for wlan? one that actually works? :-D |
| 11:17.05 | ||Leto|| | for 2008.9 that is |
| 11:17.36 | rhkfin | mofi-wifi is okay |
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| 11:32.52 | mmaestri | rhkfin: there's some reaction about it? |
| 11:33.45 | rhkfin | mmaestri: 'let's wait what happens' and some are working on the version for openmoko. |
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| 11:35.51 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r4b3c06b9c8a8 10/packages/netbase/ (3 files in 3 dirs): netbase: set the default nameserver to OpenDNS for om-gta0? |
| 11:40.02 | Kensan_ | mmaestri: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-October/005966.html |
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| 11:41.23 | mmaestri | Kensan_: i was just reading that :p |
| 11:44.49 | Shlee | http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=651337 <-- COME TO AUSTRALIA |
| 11:45.01 | Shlee | Android is great news! |
| 11:45.16 | Shlee | plus the complete refactoring of the OM/OE gits is great news too |
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| 13:23.21 | jones | anyone running rasters image |
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| 13:27.23 | Kensan_ | jones: I am using it as a base for boottime optimisation stuff. |
| 13:28.06 | jones | just wondering what people are using for the dialer and other basic stuff |
| 13:29.32 | Kensan_ | jones: you can install all the fso daemons apps etc since it's basically just oe with rasters recipes and a couple patches. |
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| 13:30.18 | Dave | Kensan :) |
| 13:30.20 | jones | so there isnt any of the dialer and sms stuff written with e? |
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| 13:30.42 | BobOfDoom | jones: not yet, raster is going to write it eventually |
| 13:30.51 | Dave | Hey Bob |
| 13:31.17 | jones | is everything being left to him? |
| 13:32.38 | BobOfDoom | jones: well he's being payed to work on that by swisscom I believe |
| 13:32.49 | jones | ah okay |
| 13:32.57 | BobOfDoom | jones: openmoko was working on some other dialer I believe |
| 13:33.08 | jones | i didnt really get the linked site, swiss com seemed to be a censorship site |
| 13:33.59 | jones | i might start playing with it, i like the idea of developing the same app and it running everywhere |
| 13:34.02 | BobOfDoom | jones: I think raster's plan is just to get the real basics in place, window manager, SMS, dialer and contacts |
| 13:34.24 | jones | thats all i really need |
| 13:34.30 | BobOfDoom | jones: http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP/st/ <-- his work in progress |
| 13:34.33 | BobOfDoom | yeah |
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| 13:34.38 | jones | thats all i have right now with 2008.9 |
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| 13:35.04 | jones | ill check that out when i get home |
| 13:35.25 | BobOfDoom | I think only the alarm app actually does much |
| 13:35.37 | BobOfDoom | the others are not really started yet |
| 13:35.50 | jones | that would be good, the one in 2008.9 does off at random times |
| 13:36.07 | raster | this one wont wake form suspend |
| 13:36.08 | raster | then again |
| 13:36.16 | raster | the kernel doesn tseem to wake from suspend anyway |
| 13:36.17 | raster | :) |
| 13:36.21 | raster | in theory it should |
| 13:36.21 | jones | heh |
| 13:36.24 | raster | but it doesnt |
| 13:36.32 | jones | is wireless still flaky |
| 13:36.33 | raster | i need to look into that |
| 13:36.39 | raster | but i'bve been busy with other things |
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| 13:45.18 | slaxxin | upgraded fdom to yesterdays an suspend worked over noght yay |
| 13:45.30 | slaxxin | night* |
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| 13:49.43 | geaaru | i'm try to update kernel of my gta01 from testing tree of the repository.. but i have this error: |
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| 13:49.49 | geaaru | Package kernel md5sum mismatch. |
| 13:49.59 | geaaru | is a my error or it is normal? |
| 13:55.58 | slaxxin | might need to do an md5sum manually? |
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| 14:06.14 | Dave | what's happn' slaxin' |
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| 14:06.49 | bricode | Android patches, patched kernel+modules available at http://forum.koolu.org |
| 14:07.36 | bricode | err, that's Android kernel patches to be specific. |
| 14:08.31 | Dave | It's about time :p |
| 14:09.01 | bricode | Dave: I know. You figure I'd be able to get the DNS settings correct the first time. Embarrassing. |
| 14:09.09 | Dave | heehee |
| 14:09.49 | bricode | Dave: Don't suppose you've got that insta-FR-flash thing working? |
| 14:10.09 | Hire1 | bricode |
| 14:10.14 | Dave | what, for mass flashing? |
| 14:10.24 | bricode | Dave: Yeah. |
| 14:10.41 | Dave | it was just a hack |
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| 14:10.57 | Dave | plus dfu-util always pissed me off a bit |
| 14:11.07 | bricode | Dave: No kidding. |
| 14:11.10 | Dave | If it were wrapped nicely, it might work more majesticly :P |
| 14:11.20 | Hire1 | do you have applied the patchs of harald welte? |
| 14:11.37 | Dave | Hire, is that you? |
| 14:11.52 | Hire1 | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1356861 |
| 14:11.57 | Hire1 | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1356662 |
| 14:12.00 | Hire1 | those |
| 14:12.05 | nicfer | is planned for some future model of the freerunner series some more hardbuttons? |
| 14:12.24 | Dave | oh great, it's nicfer again. |
| 14:12.36 | Dave | :P |
| 14:12.47 | bricode | Hire1: Not with the kernel I posted, but could update it provided they're in the git. |
| 14:13.23 | nicfer | maybe three below the screen and two more at the side |
| 14:13.47 | Hire1 | it will be nice becose those patches makes the fr 42% faster |
| 14:13.48 | Dave | THEYRE IN UR GIT, UPDATIN UR KERNELZ!!!111 |
| 14:14.03 | Dave | Hire, I find figures like that highly dubious. |
| 14:14.16 | Hire1 | uff |
| 14:14.34 | Dave | Just last night we were discussing this with respect to some patches with supposedly made it boot faster.. |
| 14:14.37 | bricode | I'm trying to remember I've seen anything move 42% faster. |
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| 14:14.42 | Dave | which turned out to be mostly hocus pocus. |
| 14:14.55 | Hire1 | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1356663 |
| 14:14.58 | Dave | bricode, if? yeah, probably not :) |
| 14:15.25 | Hire1 | well |
| 14:16.04 | Hire1 | yeah, it's only on reading |
| 14:16.10 | Hire1 | but when i tested it woo |
| 14:16.12 | Dave | Don't worry Hire, we still like you :p |
| 14:16.33 | bricode | Okay, I'll have to say that makes a whole pile of sense. |
| 14:16.39 | Hire1 | yes :D |
| 14:16.50 | Hire1 | however dave is a liar, he hates me :o |
| 14:16.57 | Dave | What!? |
| 14:17.05 | Dave | Who told you!? |
| 14:17.09 | Hire1 | raster |
| 14:17.15 | Dave | oh, heh :p |
| 14:17.16 | Hire1 | and, yes, raster hates me too |
| 14:17.18 | Dave | that bastard! |
| 14:17.47 | Hire1 | yes he is cruel :\ |
| 14:17.48 | Dave | haha, we might just have to have some 'gang' wars, after all ;) |
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| 14:17.57 | Hire1 | it's a catfight |
| 14:17.57 | bricode | Dave: S'ok. Raster doesn't like me either (or at least the company I work for). |
| 14:18.08 | Dave | Several of us don't :D |
| 14:18.17 | Dave | But it's not bad :) |
| 14:18.28 | bricode | Dave: Fair enough. |
| 14:18.31 | Hire1 | koolu's forums hates me |
| 14:18.31 | SpeedEvil | Brinky: skynet? |
| 14:18.34 | Dave | So you've made a couple of errors, it's not the end of the world. |
| 14:18.49 | Hire1 | i don't get the activation |
| 14:19.03 | Kensan_ | bricode: the nand speedup patches do speedup nand as advertised. Would be well worth putting them in. |
| 14:19.18 | Dave | Plus everytime I hear Koolu, I think, wtf, Cthulhu ... freerunners ... WHAT!? |
| 14:19.19 | Kensan_ | Dave: yeah, I am all about hocus pocus ;) |
| 14:19.25 | Dave | Kensan! |
| 14:19.31 | Kensan_ | Dave: easy on the pills mate ;) |
| 14:19.36 | Dave | fucking magical motherfucker! |
| 14:19.41 | Dave | gimme some :p |
| 14:19.47 | bricode | Kensan_: Yeah, I had to actually read the patch for it to make sense. |
| 14:20.01 | Kensan_ | summons wand |
| 14:20.14 | Kensan_ | bricode: the comment by Andy is rather funny |
| 14:20.27 | Hire1 | argh |
| 14:20.28 | bricode | Kensan_: About Android? |
| 14:20.39 | Hire1 | give me a flashable image of android |
| 14:21.08 | Dave | Who is flashing who now? |
| 14:21.28 | Kensan_ | bricode: no about harald's nand patches: "Wow... the 98% sounds good already but on a benefit-per-line-of-patch |
| 14:21.28 | Kensan_ | basis it's probably a record." |
| 14:21.58 | bricode | That's pretty awesome. |
| 14:22.21 | lindi- | Kensan_: where's the patch? |
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| 14:22.58 | Hire1 | ehi, i'm not a liar |
| 14:23.16 | Dave | :p |
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| 14:23.41 | Kred | What do I have to do with 2008 to get my number show up on receivers end? |
| 14:23.50 | Dave | Are people starting to just give up on OM now? :| |
| 14:24.15 | gargoyle-grin | Speaking for myself, kindof, yeah. |
| 14:24.29 | gargoyle-grin | I'm hoping to get Gentoo running on my Freerunner. |
| 14:24.43 | gargoyle-grin | There are a few others working on it too. |
| 14:25.08 | Hire1 | bricode |
| 14:25.14 | Hire1 | i don't get activation link |
| 14:25.28 | bricode | Hire1: Humm...okay. Give me a second. |
| 14:25.35 | toggles_w | gargoyle-grin: what do you do with gentoo once it's on there? |
| 14:25.36 | Dave | ACTIVATE! |
| 14:25.41 | Dave | toggles :p |
| 14:25.49 | Hire1 | is now active |
| 14:25.52 | Kred | :I |
| 14:25.58 | toggles_w | i see some sweet arm4 emerges |
| 14:26.00 | Dave | compete against other freerunners in a streetrace like manner? |
| 14:26.10 | toggles_w | Dave: @! |
| 14:26.14 | Dave | terve |
| 14:27.09 | ceda | hmm, I was very lonely in the other channels |
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| 14:27.10 | gargoyle-grin | toggles_w: Nothing yet. I don't have it working yet. (I just heard that there were others working on it yesterday.) |
| 14:27.10 | gargoyle-grin | I plan to use it for standard phone functions, web browsing, games, SMS, etc. You know. General smartphone stuff. |
| 14:27.28 | ceda | am I the only one here that have setup stuff at gravatar.com? |
| 14:27.36 | toggles_w | oh, not a distcc server tehn? ;-) |
| 14:27.52 | Dave | rolls his eyes at mwester |
| 14:28.18 | toggles_w | thinks about mentioning android again to see a response |
| 14:28.24 | gargoyle-grin | Lol. Nope. I plan to do all my compiling/emerging on my laptop or main box. I may set up a distcc farm eventually, but no plans as of yet. |
| 14:28.30 | Dave | readies his stabbity-stabby knife of stabbing |
| 14:28.48 | Dave | eyes toggles ¬_¬ |
| 14:28.51 | gargoyle-grin | Android looks interesting. Is it true that Android is entirely open source? |
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| 14:29.01 | Dave | Gargoyle - hardly. |
| 14:29.13 | gargoyle-grin | Hmm. Oh well. |
| 14:29.24 | bricode | Hire1: I've activated your account (as well as the others). Looks like e-mail isn't sending from the server. Have to fix that. |
| 14:29.46 | Dave | Brian, don't mess that up as well ;) |
| 14:30.01 | Hire1 | sorry no email :( |
| 14:30.13 | toggles_w | ~_~ |
| 14:30.14 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 14:30.14 | Hire1 | You do not have the required permissions to read topics within this forum. |
| 14:30.21 | Dave | Man, am I glad I haven't gone to koolu |
| 14:30.35 | Hire1 | i can't read the forummm |
| 14:30.41 | Dave | hah |
| 14:30.54 | Dave | I guess he doesn't want his epithets expressed on google :p |
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| 14:31.09 | Hire1 | mv /dev/uselesshuman/hire > /dev/null |
| 14:31.17 | Dave | :o |
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| 14:32.32 | edje2 | hi all, i try to build some stuff with the toolchain, but keep hitting the same error in several sources: /usr/local/openmoko/arm/share/aclocal/libtool.m4' is serial 47, less than 52 in `aclocal.m4' |
| 14:32.41 | Dave | o.O |
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| 14:32.58 | edje2 | any idea on how to fix this? the configure phase crashes a few minutes later |
| 14:33.05 | gargoyle-grin | <(^_^)> |
| 14:33.16 | gargoyle-grin | is banned forever. |
| 14:33.19 | gargoyle-grin | lol |
| 14:33.19 | Hire1 | *sniff* |
| 14:33.20 | Dave | pets gargoyle-grin |
| 14:33.44 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r312c346911ac 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/rtc/Makefile.am: Add missing Makefile.am. Thanks cbrake |
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| 14:35.49 | bricode | Hire1: Working on it. |
| 14:35.58 | Hire1 | Hire :\ |
| 14:36.53 | Dave | So, is anybody else making progress? |
| 14:37.47 | toggles_w | just progressed to level 11 in portal: prelude |
| 14:38.44 | Hire1 | is studying how become an system admin |
| 14:38.44 | Dave | o.O |
| 14:38.46 | Hire1 | a system |
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| 14:39.52 | Dave | you're studying to become a system? |
| 14:40.11 | bricode | Hire1: Should be happy now for forum reading/posting. |
| 14:40.19 | bricode | Hire1: Still need to change mailings. |
| 14:40.33 | Hire1 | (16:39:52) Dave: you're studying to become a system? <--- :| |
| 14:40.37 | Hire1 | admin system, sorry :| |
| 14:40.41 | bricode | Being a systems admin isn't my strong point. |
| 14:40.44 | Dave | I'll be happy when suspend/resume is implemented in hardware. |
| 14:40.54 | Dave | brian, no kidding :D |
| 14:41.01 | Dave | You need a slavemonkey :p |
| 14:41.45 | bricode | Dave: I'd much rather be looking at suspend/resume, trust me. |
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| 14:41.53 | rooly | woo hoo! |
| 14:41.55 | Dave | Haha, really? |
| 14:41.57 | rooly | i'm officially 20 now |
| 14:42.02 | Dave | Oh now, it's unrooly. |
| 14:42.53 | nicfer | what type of touchscreen has the freerunner? |
| 14:43.33 | CM_work | nicfer: No multi-touch, unfortunately |
| 14:43.35 | Dave | nicfer - stop touching your screen! |
| 14:43.36 | Dave | :p |
| 14:43.55 | CM_work | I think the details can be found in the wiki |
| 14:44.00 | Dave | retracile :o |
| 14:44.02 | CM_work | Resistive or something |
| 14:44.11 | retracile | Dave! |
| 14:44.33 | Dave | :) |
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| 14:44.55 | nicfer | althrough I think that Apple was planning on patenting multi-touch |
| 14:45.07 | nicfer | those trolls.... |
| 14:45.42 | CM_work | nicfer http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TPO_TD028TTEC1 |
| 14:46.14 | Dave | they hardly can |
| 14:46.24 | Dave | fucking just throw a synaptics underneath :p |
| 14:46.32 | Dave | or alps |
| 14:46.34 | Dave | hahaha |
| 14:46.45 | Dave | man that'd be hot |
| 14:46.53 | Dave | NEEDZ MOAR NANOTUBEZ |
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| 14:48.03 | Dave | Damaestro. |
| 14:48.19 | daMaestro | Dave! |
| 14:48.28 | Dave | Yes, It is I! |
| 14:48.35 | daMaestro | Dave, how goes it? |
| 14:48.43 | daMaestro | Dave, ok -man |
| 14:48.47 | daMaestro | hmm 'man |
| 14:52.04 | Dave | heh |
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| 14:52.18 | Dave | Fear not, friend, he shall return soon enough. |
| 14:52.25 | Dave | AND ALL SHALL BE APRISED. |
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| 15:04.23 | Flyser_ | does anyone know why the x11-16 engine of e17 is working on rastermans latest image but not on FSO or Om2008.x ? |
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| 15:04.43 | DocScrutinizer2 | nicfer: CM_work: its resistive 4wire type |
| 15:05.04 | DocScrutinizer2 | hard to do decent multitouch |
| 15:05.56 | DocScrutinizer2 | so you *can* get a little more out of it than just X Y, with tricky driver |
| 15:06.01 | toggles_w | DocScrutinizer2: can we do indecent multitouch then? |
| 15:06.32 | mjr | yes |
| 15:06.36 | DocScrutinizer2 | might be possible, yeah |
| 15:06.49 | mjr | you can basically interpret a fast change in position as a second touch and extrapolate the position |
| 15:06.55 | mjr | that's indecent |
| 15:07.02 | DocScrutinizer2 | mjr |
| 15:07.10 | DocScrutinizer2 | nope thats crap |
| 15:07.27 | mjr | I thought indecent was crap |
| 15:07.31 | mjr | my bad |
| 15:07.32 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rfa30efb26cb5 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/idlenotifier/idlenotifier-helpers.h: Add another missing file. Thanks to cbrake |
| 15:07.49 | Dave | Joerg! |
| 15:08.01 | DocScrutinizer2 | 4wire may deliver xxmin xmax ymin ymax of any multitouch |
| 15:08.04 | Dave | Needs more gyros! |
| 15:08.15 | mjr | 'kay |
| 15:08.21 | mjr | so you can do a bit smarter then |
| 15:08.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
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| 15:09.07 | mjr | so yeah, I might characterize the mentioned method as crap, and save indecent for the smarter one |
| 15:09.15 | mjr | still can't multi-drag nicely or anything |
| 15:09.38 | DocScrutinizer2 | correct |
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| 15:13.09 | Dave | Doc, my touchpad works just fine. |
| 15:13.17 | Dave | classic synaptics ftw? |
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| 15:19.20 | Hire1 | sigh |
| 15:19.32 | Hire1 | i'm downloading the source of android |
| 15:19.38 | Hire1 | but i'm so tired :\ |
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| 15:21.57 | Dave | emerge world? |
| 15:22.46 | Hire1 | make |
| 15:23.03 | Hire1 | i'm too lazy for gentoo |
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| 15:24.28 | toggles_w | Hire1: go to bed, you will see a lot of this: |
| 15:24.30 | toggles_w | tommy@perigee /hacking/droid $ repo sync |
| 15:24.30 | toggles_w | git.webkit.org[0: 74.86.47.130]: errno=Connection refused |
| 15:24.45 | toggles_w | you cannot have my webkitz! |
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| 15:26.39 | Hire1 | nono |
| 15:26.42 | Hire1 | i get the source |
| 15:26.53 | Hire1 | but ehi, i get an errore when i compile it :\ |
| 15:27.10 | Hire1 | host C: acp <= build/tools/acp/acp.c |
| 15:27.10 | Hire1 | In file included from /usr/include/features.h:354, |
| 15:27.10 | Hire1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.10 | Hire1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.10 | Hire1 | /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: Nessun file o directory |
| 15:27.10 | Hire1 | make: *** [out/host/linux-x86/obj/EXECUTABLES/acp_intermediates/acp.o] Error 1 |
| 15:27.31 | Dave | ERROR ERROR |
| 15:27.38 | Hire1 | ( yes yes, i know pastebin ) |
| 15:27.50 | leinir | Omnomnom, localized error messages make everybody's lives so much easier ;) |
| 15:27.59 | Tm_T | indeedio |
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| 15:36.46 | Zorkman_ | DocScrutinizer2: no when i repopulate the sd card everything works again |
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| 15:37.14 | Dave | hmm |
| 15:37.19 | Dave | Tm_T, indeedio? |
| 15:37.21 | Dave | :p |
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| 15:37.48 | Soulnoob | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.03 | Wonka | FAIL |
| 15:38.08 | Soulnoob | yeh. |
| 15:38.17 | Soulnoob | I have no idea what pw I set. |
| 15:38.24 | Wonka | no logs? |
| 15:38.29 | Dave | Wonka! |
| 15:38.39 | Soulnoob | Aha! Fonund it |
| 15:38.44 | Dave | I destroyed the evidence! |
| 15:40.39 | Hire1 | fixes the issue |
| 15:40.46 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0b3043bb1e10 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: honor boolean type (thanks Frederik Sdun) |
| 15:41.23 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * re2698d54e2be 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: honor boolean type (thanks Frederik Sdun) |
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| 15:44.23 | Soulnoob | How can I set a new password w nickserv? |
| 15:46.12 | Dave | make it your bitch? |
| 15:46.21 | str4nd | Soulnoob: set password <new password> |
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| 15:48.47 | Soulnoob | ah, thanks. I was trying the SETPASS command. |
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| 15:50.45 | nicfer | hmmm, would be pretty hard to keep an 620Mhz ARM processor at stable temperature right? |
| 15:51.11 | Weiss | nicfer: how stable? why? |
| 15:51.49 | Weiss | compared to, say, a Pentium 4: absolutely. ARMs run very cool indeed |
| 15:53.06 | Dave | hey wiess |
| 15:53.16 | nicfer | I mean, would it require some additional type of cooling in comparison with the actual freerunner's 400mhz one |
| 15:53.29 | Dave | freerunner gets unnecessarily hot |
| 15:55.32 | Weiss | hmm, i wonder if there are any temperature sensors in the FR's SoC |
| 15:56.01 | lindi- | i use the one in battery |
| 15:56.28 | Weiss | but the battery has all kinds of chemistry going on inside it, making it hot |
| 15:56.46 | Weiss | i'm pretty sure the only warmth i ever felt from my FR was the battery, not the PCB (but i wouldn't really be able to tell) |
| 15:57.20 | XorA | 3G phones get really hot when running HSDPA |
| 15:57.35 | XorA | Im betting its the 1A they pull from the battery for short periods |
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| 16:01.15 | Dave | Xora! |
| 16:02.16 | Dave | fucking 3g |
| 16:02.32 | Dave | Get ready for 0G baby! |
| 16:02.38 | Dave | launches his freerunner into orbit |
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| 16:02.54 | XorA | is the real 3G anyway |
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| 16:03.51 | Dave | surely |
| 16:04.06 | Hire1 | ehi |
| 16:04.12 | Hire1 | because i'm so lazy |
| 16:04.30 | Hire1 | someone can build a nice image of android for the fr? |
| 16:04.35 | Hire1 | as dave |
| 16:04.41 | Hire1 | you have some spare time |
| 16:04.44 | Zorkman_ | i did it |
| 16:04.44 | Dave | runs |
| 16:04.47 | Hire1 | make me happy ;D |
| 16:04.48 | Zorkman_ | but threw it away |
| 16:04.58 | Dave | :P |
| 16:05.03 | Hire1 | you hate me |
| 16:05.06 | Dave | ask mwester |
| 16:05.19 | Hire1 | it's a tarp |
| 16:05.23 | Dave | hire, it's not our fault you just keep giving us more and more reasons to :) |
| 16:05.23 | Zorkman_ | FR with a working distro... it just felt....wrong... |
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| 16:05.41 | Dave | that implies android would work... |
| 16:05.42 | Hire1 | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/elf_of_doriath9/non-icon%20randomness/its_a_tarp.gif |
| 16:05.49 | Dave | it's funny how we have some bipartisanship in here |
| 16:05.58 | pb__ | hi tnb |
| 16:05.58 | Hire1 | i want to try it :o |
| 16:06.03 | Dave | though the sides are more like: realists vs fantasies |
| 16:06.30 | Hire1 | exit from the window |
| 16:06.35 | Kensan_ | Dave: and then there's mwester ;) |
| 16:06.43 | tnb | hi pb__, long time since I've been on |
| 16:06.48 | Hire1 | invokes mwester |
| 16:06.50 | Kensan_ | Dave: he's like the ralph nader of this channel. |
| 16:06.57 | Kensan_ | Dave: crashing the party |
| 16:07.03 | Hire1 | i want try this new toy :\ |
| 16:07.26 | Hire1 | can i be the om's mascot? |
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| 16:08.20 | Zorkman_ | wow, xiangfu wrote something we can read! |
| 16:08.25 | Zorkman_ | i like the man :) |
| 16:08.32 | Kensan_ | Dave: what's up with mwester? even insulting him and talking about Android does not summon him... |
| 16:09.24 | Zorkman_ | maybe his nervesystem is no longer connected with the internets.... |
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| 16:09.47 | Dave | hahaha |
| 16:09.50 | Dave | geeze |
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| 16:47.14 | Dave | leinir |
| 16:47.25 | Dave | I see you there! >:) |
| 16:47.38 | Dave | Aren't you forgetting something? ;) |
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| 17:03.24 | Zorkman_ | what is the best kernel for qt extended? |
| 17:03.32 | Zorkman_ | the mwester kernel? (where can i find it?) |
| 17:04.18 | Dave | http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels ? |
| 17:04.20 | Zorkman_ | http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=91 this one the most recent? |
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| 17:05.17 | Zorkman_ | thx |
| 17:05.31 | Dave | I can only hope it's what you wanted :) |
| 17:05.40 | Dave | or that it alleviates some of your issues :p |
| 17:06.01 | Zorkman_ | yes and probably not :) |
| 17:06.28 | toggles_w | Dave: did you see what he has here http://android..mwester.net/ |
| 17:07.15 | Dave | What? |
| 17:07.27 | toggles_w | it might be the first image! |
| 17:07.35 | Dave | I like the new doggy picture. |
| 17:07.43 | toggles_w | ;-) |
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| 17:09.54 | Dave | Man, reading that makes me glad my allegiances aren't open in the open here :) |
| 17:10.10 | Dave | out in the open, rather |
| 17:10.21 | toggles_w | Dave: yuo still in the closet? |
| 17:10.28 | Dave | sssh |
| 17:11.24 | toggles_w | Dave: it's ok, you can tell us you use vista |
| 17:11.38 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 17:13.37 | Zorkman_ | i'm booted into windows right now, sue me for i am the antichrist |
| 17:13.43 | Zorkman_ | (and my gf doesn't like linux :)) |
| 17:14.11 | noaXess | what software feed's can i use if i have installed qtextended 4.4.1? |
| 17:14.53 | Dave | hahahah |
| 17:15.17 | noaXess | the standard feeds are pointed to buildhost, which isn't online.. but can i use the om2008.8 feeds for my qtopia? |
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| 17:17.29 | Dave | :o |
| 17:17.32 | Dave | hoenoes |
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| 17:20.43 | z3ck1 | where can i find the "stable branch of the Openmoko git tree"? |
| 17:21.09 | max_posedon | hehe "stable" hehe) |
| 17:21.36 | z3ck1 | haha |
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| 17:24.36 | max_posedon | I think you should wait at least half year. |
| 17:26.17 | toggles_w | no way, by stable i mean something that my gf can't call me on when im in the pub, moko works for me! |
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| 17:26.43 | Dave | :P |
| 17:26.44 | z3ck1 | well, the goal is to try and flash my neo fr with the new android kernel that was released today at http://forum.koolu.org |
| 17:27.07 | z3ck1 | toggles: nice. |
| 17:27.49 | z3ck1 | currently running FDOM and it is not terrible... just want to try android |
| 17:28.11 | toggles_w | is it just the kernel? or is the stack there too? |
| 17:29.01 | z3ck1 | no sure... the post is kinda vague and me being kinda noobish doesn't help |
| 17:29.56 | toggles_w | hmm... |
| 17:30.12 | z3ck1 | i can handle flashing images and stuff, but when it asks for git and patches... i don't quite know what i'm doing |
| 17:30.21 | toggles_w | z3ck1: http://git.openmoko.org/ |
| 17:30.24 | z3ck1 | at least i don't have to compile it |
| 17:30.32 | toggles_w | probably patches against the kernel? |
| 17:30.56 | z3ck1 | toggles_w: thanks i will learn up on that a bit |
| 17:31.11 | toggles_w | talk to Hire1 if you see him |
| 17:31.28 | z3ck1 | okay |
| 17:31.39 | toggles_w | or mwester |
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| 17:32.03 | z3ck1 | are you interested in seeing android on the fr? |
| 17:32.40 | ezekiel-v3 | or, how about OpenMoko on the G1? |
| 17:33.00 | bricode | toggles_w: Currently it's just the kernel. Filesystem stack is in the works. |
| 17:33.13 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r4a0f6f285cfe 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/ (7 files in 7 dirs): Fix wrong DBus interface names |
| 17:33.27 | toggles_w | bricode: k, makes sense with git and patches.. |
| 17:33.44 | toggles_w | bricode: good luck |
| 17:33.53 | z3ck1 | ezekiel-v3: ha, that would go over well... |
| 17:34.12 | bricode | z3ck1: Saw your post and will respond to it. That kernel won't help you much more than the regular OM kernel at the moment, as only Android only uses the patches added to it. |
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| 17:35.38 | z3ck1 | bricode: Great! would love to give any feedback. keep up the good work. you guys a re awesome |
| 17:36.18 | z3ck1 | yeah, i am z3cka as well... i left my other IRC running at home |
| 17:38.19 | z3cka_at_work | quickly alt-tabs while boss walks by... |
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| 17:49.20 | bricode__ | Any arm assembly experts out there? |
| 17:49.28 | lindi- | bricode__: better just ask |
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| 17:49.58 | bricode__ | Okay. What's the armv4 equivalent of the clz instruction? |
| 17:52.05 | Dave | fuck |
| 17:52.11 | Dave | Bob, you around? |
| 17:52.17 | Dave | I messed up the kernel |
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| 17:53.40 | lindi- | bricode__: did you read the specs for it? |
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| 17:53.57 | bricode__ | lindi-: Trying to find a good spec on it. |
| 17:54.17 | lindi- | bricode__: there is on only one official |
| 17:54.27 | bricode__ | lindi-: nm, I found it. |
| 17:54.55 | lindi- | bricode__: http://www.arm.com/miscPDFs/14128.pdf |
| 17:55.08 | lindi- | bricode__: are you writing something in assembler? |
| 17:55.27 | bricode__ | lindi-: Yep. Have to replace some ARMv5 specific code. |
| 17:55.49 | lindi- | bricode__: in what app? |
| 17:56.08 | ezekiel-v3 | Space Invaders! |
| 17:56.19 | ezekiel-v3 | :) |
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| 17:57.34 | bricode__ | lindi-: opencore/codecs_v2/audio/aac/dec/src |
| 17:57.39 | bricode__ | lindi-: Android. |
| 17:58.17 | toggles_w | bricode__: just relpace it noops |
| 17:58.33 | lindi- | then it won't work :) |
| 17:58.50 | bricode__ | I'm sure that would cause havoc to the audio/video decode. |
| 17:58.51 | toggles_w | noone will complain if you can't hear, you can't now so you'll just replace the same funcionality |
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| 18:03.57 | tgz | is android offlimits here, or can I talk (I guess more like ask) about it in comparison to openmoko |
| 18:04.19 | leinir | Speak, noone's been chasticed for it yet :) |
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| 18:04.47 | tgz | I'm an existing tmo customer with a sidekick which I like but I could stand faster data and/or a more open phone (don't like being tied down) |
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| 18:06.41 | tgz | as a tmo customer I can get a g1 for 180, and as they say in the south, "hot diggity damn that's a good deal" |
| 18:07.55 | Dave | prods leinir |
| 18:08.12 | leinir | meeps! |
| 18:08.16 | leinir | also goes to make dinner ;) |
| 18:08.18 | tgz | having 3g is pretty attractive, and now android is open source... |
| 18:08.38 | tgz | I guess the question is, what is the moko going to provide over the g1 |
| 18:08.58 | leinir | open /hardware/ as well as software :) |
| 18:10.26 | jancon1 | bricode:"The Count Leading Zeros (CLZ) instruction determines the number of zero bits at the most |
| 18:10.26 | jancon1 | significant end of a register value, up to the first 1 bit. This number is written to the destination |
| 18:10.26 | jancon1 | register of the CLZ instruction." |
| 18:11.04 | bricode | jancon1: Thanks. Found some info on it. |
| 18:11.16 | tgz | for a reasonably-educated end user / borderline developer (but overall not very good at developing) will open hardware really benefit me |
| 18:12.01 | lindi- | tgz: g1? |
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| 18:12.26 | tgz | lindi-: tmobile google android phone |
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| 18:15.49 | jancon1 | bricode: I found doc at:http://www.arm.com/miscPDFs/9658.pdf |
| 18:16.12 | gurugentoo | anyone else think that OM should put in a scroll wheel/ball ? |
| 18:16.51 | gurugentoo | browsing web pages with the slider bar is a pita |
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| 18:17.41 | gurugentoo | actually, has anyone implemented slide-scrolling in the driver like the menus work? |
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| 18:19.18 | lindi- | tgz: can jit charge from usb and act as usb host? |
| 18:21.00 | tgz | er, I don't own one |
| 18:21.02 | tgz | so I have no idea |
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| 18:21.54 | tgz | I'm just trying to figure out my upgrade path =\ |
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| 18:37.05 | ||Leto|| | gurugentoo: have a look at minimo |
| 18:37.13 | ||Leto|| | i find browsing with it quite comfy |
| 18:37.50 | tomboy64 | ahh, better |
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| 18:44.34 | tgz | is tethering working on openmoko? |
| 18:45.57 | johnsu01 | yes |
| 18:46.12 | johnsu01 | at least, I've done it with qtopia and with debian, I'm not sure about om |
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| 19:03.02 | gurugentoo | ||Leto||: what do you use to scoll on a web page? |
| 19:03.08 | gurugentoo | can you use a finger? |
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| 19:03.42 | tomboy64 | gurugentoo: you can, but with the size of the fr's screen that's impractical |
| 19:06.22 | gurugentoo | tomboy64: so...you use a stylus with the scroll bar on the side? |
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| 19:06.39 | tomboy64 | no |
| 19:06.45 | tomboy64 | i move the screen itself |
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| 19:07.24 | gurugentoo | tomboy64: accellerometers? |
| 19:07.29 | tomboy64 | err |
| 19:07.31 | tomboy64 | no |
| 19:07.35 | tomboy64 | uhm |
| 19:07.47 | tomboy64 | i tip the website and drag it |
| 19:07.52 | tomboy64 | much like the menus |
| 19:08.10 | gurugentoo | ah ok that's what I meant by finger scrolling |
| 19:08.15 | gurugentoo | cool |
| 19:08.16 | tomboy64 | oh |
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| 19:08.35 | tomboy64 | well, you have to hit a button first, that's far too smal for being hit with your finger :-D |
| 19:08.56 | gurugentoo | strange |
| 19:09.22 | gurugentoo | as long as it stays in scroll mode until you hit it again |
| 19:09.37 | tomboy64 | what? |
| 19:10.02 | gurugentoo | tomboy64: I'll try it and see what you mean |
| 19:10.12 | tomboy64 | ah, ok |
| 19:10.18 | tomboy64 | yes, it stays that way |
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| 19:10.46 | gurugentoo | ok |
| 19:11.11 | tomboy64 | but i can definitely recommend raster's keyboard and the qwerty-button on top |
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| 19:11.46 | gurugentoo | ya...I'll have to figure out how to get that working in gentoo |
| 19:12.08 | gurugentoo | I'm not a fan of the current OM2008.* |
| 19:12.09 | tomboy64 | :-D |
| 19:12.14 | tomboy64 | me not either |
| 19:12.26 | tomboy64 | but it's going to get fine after some tweaking |
| 19:12.29 | tomboy64 | rather lots ... |
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| 19:28.33 | Sargun | Hey, can I get the modem inside the FR in a different formfactor, or exposed serial pinouts? |
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| 19:38.47 | mickey|munich | check the wiki for the debug board specs |
| 19:46.47 | Sargun | mickey|munich, I want the GSM modem inside of the OM for various reasons.... |
| 19:47.04 | Sargun | and hook them up to commodity hardware... |
| 19:47.30 | Sargun | Does anyone know where to get Siemens GPRS/EDGE modems? |
| 19:48.06 | mickey|munich | there are a bunch of resellers for these things |
| 19:48.09 | mickey|munich | just google |
| 19:48.30 | mickey|munich | it's cinterion now, btw. |
| 19:48.42 | Sargun | why cinterion? |
| 19:48.51 | Sargun | I'm looking for a reseller in the states |
| 19:48.52 | Sargun | its a PITA |
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| 19:51.17 | rebelThor | hey guys, any clue on how you set the search path the icons in those .desktop files? |
| 19:51.30 | gurugentoo | Sargun: could you buy a cheap cell phone and extract it? |
| 19:51.42 | Sargun | gurugentoo, Uhm... I'm thinking "corporate" |
| 19:51.45 | Sargun | so no |
| 19:51.57 | gurugentoo | ah |
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| 19:55.11 | FilipLinux4BE | Sargun: http://www.option.be/products/overview.shtml |
| 19:55.46 | Sargun | be != us |
| 19:56.24 | Sargun | but thanks mickey|munich for the cinterion thing. |
| 19:56.54 | FilipLinux4BE | the belgian company is the manufacturer, they shipworldwide |
| 19:57.14 | Sargun | http://www.synergy-gps.com/component/option,com_virtuemart/page,shop.browse/category_id,2/Itemid,76/ |
| 19:58.27 | Sargun | http://www.cinterion.com/en/ktcm/modules_terminals/Terminals/TC65T < I wonder if I can talk to it over serial as a standard modem |
| 19:58.44 | Sargun | or if its overcomplicated doodad. ;-P |
| 20:00.08 | Sargun | FilipLinux4BE, buying things internationally is complicated here at the company... |
| 20:00.09 | Sargun | :-( |
| 20:01.34 | Sargun | FilipLinux4BE, Does Option sell wireless terminals? |
| 20:02.13 | FilipLinux4BE | what's your definition of terminal ? |
| 20:02.38 | FilipLinux4BE | like in payment terminal or serial unix terminal ? |
| 20:06.06 | Sargun | http://www.synergy-gps.com/content/view/24/47/ < |
| 20:06.13 | Sargun | see what's listed as terminal |
| 20:06.18 | Sargun | and what's listed as embedded * |
| 20:07.44 | Sargun | mickey|munich, you mucked with TC65t? |
| 20:07.45 | Sargun | the TC65t |
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| 20:08.10 | mickey|munich | Sargun: no, just about starting to get warm with a EVB |
| 20:08.17 | mickey|munich | never used any of their terminals yet |
| 20:08.25 | mickey|munich | but they look good to me |
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| 20:21.43 | F4t | hey all, did anyone port android already? :) |
| 20:22.13 | bricode | F4t: Check out http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android |
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| 20:23.16 | F4t | bricode, thanks |
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| 20:31.52 | RyanPrior | As far as I can tell, I'm missing out on a lot by not buying an iPhone. My current phone sucks, a lot: will an OpenMoko-supporting phone be available within the next year? Five? |
| 20:32.40 | F4t | Except the freerunner? :) |
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| 20:33.03 | nemik | is it possible with the Atheros chip to broadcast a virtual AP from openmoko? |
| 20:33.44 | mjr | no |
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| 20:34.26 | balrog-k1n | nemik: if you wrote a new firmware, perhaps |
| 20:34.38 | RyanPrior | I can't charge my phone every night, and I can't update my phone software every weekend. The reason I brought up the iPhone is because it's got what I want - lots of apps, ability to customize, decent battery life, etc. The FreeRunner isn't really a "phone" per se - it's a GSM-equipped mobile computing platform, but it doesn't have the battery life to accompany me on a weekend trip and act... |
| 20:34.39 | nemik | ah, but not in the default one? |
| 20:34.40 | RyanPrior | ...as a reliable communication device. |
| 20:34.58 | balrog-k1n | RyanPrior: he google phone should be able to run the current openmoko distros (such as FSO) without too much trouble |
| 20:35.27 | RyanPrior | balrog-k1n: Meaning, any phone that can run Android should be pretty close to running FSO and friends? |
| 20:35.31 | balrog-k1n | nemik: nope |
| 20:35.37 | nemik | ok, thanks |
| 20:35.55 | balrog-k1n | RyanPrior: anything that can run linux |
| 20:35.57 | balrog-k1n | i.e. the kernel |
| 20:36.29 | RyanPrior | balrog-k1n: So, if my carrier (Verizon) comes out with any decent Linux phone, it'll run FSO? |
| 20:36.37 | balrog-k1n | RyanPrior: the iphone can potentially run linux too, i'm very sure, but it's a lot of work |
| 20:36.37 | almien | hi. someone have the default URI for openstreetmap tiles in tangogps? this distro has defaulted to some google URL |
| 20:36.56 | balrog-k1n | RyanPrior: yes, it'll even run debian |
| 20:37.03 | FilipLinux4BE | Sargun: something like http://www.option.be/products/globesurfer_II_72.shtml ? |
| 20:37.14 | rhkfin | almien: fdom did that, yes. Go to settings and change it from the dropdown menu |
| 20:37.53 | almien | hehe. wow there was me expecting to type it all in! |
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| 20:38.15 | rhkfin | :) |
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| 20:44.52 | henkie_ | hmm, still an echo with the latest fso image :( |
| 20:45.14 | henkie_ | and enlightment crashes allot |
| 20:45.17 | techiem2-r | yay got my wall/car usb charger doohicky |
| 20:45.19 | mickey|munich | try changing bank the N argument |
| 20:45.35 | mickey|munich | i just changed it because some people found the echo cancellation to be too agressive |
| 20:45.41 | mickey|munich | s/bank/back/ |
| 20:46.29 | henkie_ | N argument? |
| 20:48.54 | henkie_ | lots of bars in alsamixer :) |
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| 20:51.23 | henkie_ | after entering my pin enlightment crashes :(( |
| 20:51.37 | henkie_ | (using FSO of 22-10) |
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| 20:56.21 | chi | my neo should be here monday! |
| 20:56.24 | chi | grins |
| 20:57.10 | wurp2|working | chi: congrats! |
| 20:57.39 | chi | i can go ahead and set up a dev enviroment before then though correct? |
| 20:58.10 | chi | reads up on the wiki |
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| 21:11.32 | wurp2|working | chi: yep |
| 21:11.46 | chi | perfect =D |
| 21:11.49 | wurp2|working | chi: Mokomakefile builds take many hours, so best to start it asap |
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| 21:12.04 | wurp2|working | I probably wouldn't bother with the emulator if you have a device coming soon |
| 21:12.13 | wurp2|working | You'll probably never use it after you get the device in |
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| 21:12.23 | chi | i gotta wait until tomorrow but i will be all over it then =D |
| 21:14.11 | gurugentoo | anyone have any tutorials for building a gentoo arm root image on an x86/x68_64 system? |
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| 21:14.56 | gurugentoo | I have the crosscompiler installed (armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi) |
| 21:15.12 | wurp2|working | No, but I would think you would build the cross-compile environment the normal way in mokomakefile and then chroot or whatever & build from within that |
| 21:15.57 | gurugentoo | hmm |
| 21:16.00 | wurp2|working | I think you'll need more than just a cross-compiler... you'll need the cross-compiled versions of all the standard libraries in your lib path |
| 21:16.20 | wurp2|working | I think chroot is the wrong answer, but bitbake has some way of telling it where all the libs and compile tools are |
| 21:16.43 | wurp2|working | not sure how that would translate to gentoo, which I presume doesn't know bitbake from Adam |
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| 21:17.28 | chi | gurugentoo, http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/cross-development.xml |
| 21:17.50 | gurugentoo | chi: ah that looks very handy |
| 21:18.00 | rebelThor | anyone happening to be running SHR ? |
| 21:18.36 | wurp2|working | rebelThor: You'll get better SHR support in openmoko-cdevel |
| 21:19.00 | wurp2|working | gurugentoo: So searching for openmoko gentoo tutorial (or some variation) doesn't take you to a recipe? |
| 21:19.02 | rebelThor | i just wanted to know the name of the theme they use for gtk :D |
| 21:19.04 | rebelThor | thanks |
| 21:20.02 | gurugentoo | wurp2|working: well there is a pre-made root image, but I didn't really want to do it that way, I just wanted to see the alternatives |
| 21:20.30 | wurp2|working | heh |
| 21:20.39 | wurp2|working | I see why gentoo is in your hanlde |
| 21:20.45 | wurp2|working | s/nld/ndl/ |
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| 21:21.24 | chi | q apt help |
| 21:21.33 | chi | oops |
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| 21:37.21 | white_gecko | hello |
| 21:37.32 | Tig| | hello |
| 21:37.36 | white_gecko | where is the difference if i boot from NOR ir from NAND? |
| 21:37.44 | white_gecko | ir -> or |
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| 21:41.05 | Tig| | white_gecko: basically normally you boot to the nor for flashing and the nand for the stuff that controls the flashing |
| 21:41.26 | Tig| | unless you have a debug board then don't piss about with the nand |
| 21:42.01 | Tig| | :) |
| 21:42.21 | white_gecko | so i normaly use the NOR version ok |
| 21:42.33 | white_gecko | and how can i update the uboot in the NOR? |
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| 21:43.44 | Tig| | do you have a verified error with your current uboot? |
| 21:44.48 | white_gecko | no but i have heard, that a u-boot update would increase battery lifetime |
| 21:46.27 | Tig| | last time I read it was boot time not battery time, but there are far more power savings to be done while the image is running |
| 21:46.35 | white_gecko | hm but boot time would also be good |
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| 21:47.50 | white_gecko | my uboot in NOR is 1.3.2-moko12 from May 9 2008 and in NAND 1.3.2-rc2-dirty-moko12 drom Apr 2 2008 |
| 21:48.22 | white_gecko | where can i find a changelog? |
| 21:48.33 | Tig| | far more up to date than mine but don |
| 21:48.34 | Flyser_ | NOR flash is only used as a backup uboot. you usually boot with NAND u-boot |
| 21:48.53 | Flyser_ | and afaik you can't update NOR u-boot |
| 21:49.09 | Tig| | without a debug board |
| 21:49.18 | Flyser_ | right |
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| 21:49.33 | Flyser_ | but as I know that white_gecko does not have one :p |
| 21:49.36 | white_gecko | ah ok this would be my next question after i have checked the necceserity of an update |
| 21:49.44 | white_gecko | :-) |
| 21:49.47 | Tig| | OM did make it so you had to really feck up to brick it :) |
| 21:50.31 | white_gecko | Flyser_: you are the boy from göbschelwitz am i right? |
| 21:50.36 | Flyser_ | yes |
| 21:50.50 | white_gecko | Flyser_: do you want to come to the stammtisch tomorrow? |
| 21:51.01 | Flyser_ | I will |
| 21:51.05 | white_gecko | cool |
| 21:51.22 | white_gecko | ah ok yes you have posted to the list |
| 21:51.27 | white_gecko | :-) |
| 21:51.45 | white_gecko | i want to have debian tomorrow |
| 21:51.58 | white_gecko | so i think i will make a night shift |
| 21:52.11 | Flyser_ | yeah :) where will we meet if micheal isn't answering? at moritzbastei or at the hopfenspeicher? |
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| 21:52.55 | white_gecko | i don't know i could go to the hopfenspeicher first, because it is on my way to the moritzbastei |
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| 21:53.39 | Flyser_ | yeah thats okay. when will we meet @ moritzbastei? 19:00 ? |
| 21:53.49 | white_gecko | yes |
| 21:53.51 | Flyser_ | k |
| 21:54.05 | white_gecko | the OSM people will meet at 19.00 |
| 21:55.24 | white_gecko | so where can i find information about the latest u-boot version? |
| 21:55.46 | Flyser_ | what information? just the binary or something different? |
| 21:56.26 | Sargun | Does anyone know where to get the USB-mini to real USB adapter? |
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| 21:56.48 | Flyser_ | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ |
| 21:58.07 | white_gecko | but its only the image |
| 21:58.19 | white_gecko | i think about something like a changelog |
| 21:58.38 | Tig| | Sargun: most computer shops |
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| 21:59.07 | Tig| | or try a shop flogging digital cameras |
| 21:59.10 | Sargun | Tig|, ok. |
| 21:59.23 | Sargun | thanks |
| 22:00.08 | Tig| | no problem. it is a standard size used by quite a few cameras / devices, fuji are definatly one |
| 22:00.24 | Tig| | or mine uses it :) |
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| 22:03.35 | open|FAiDA | hi...i have a problem...network via usb works (ping google works) but opkg update seems downloading nothing |
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| 22:03.45 | open|FAiDA | opkg update |
| 22:03.45 | open|FAiDA | Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.gz |
| 22:04.50 | Tig| | can you ping downloads.om etc |
| 22:05.00 | open|FAiDA | yes |
| 22:05.07 | Tig| | from the fr |
| 22:05.09 | Tig| | ? |
| 22:05.13 | open|FAiDA | yes |
| 22:05.24 | Tig| | what error do you get from the opkg update ? |
| 22:05.34 | open|FAiDA | nothing is stopped |
| 22:06.08 | Tig| | stopped? as in job control stop or nothing seems to be happening? |
| 22:06.20 | open|FAiDA | nothing seems to be appening |
| 22:06.26 | *** join/#openmoko orz (n=fabian@p50825B8D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:06.29 | open|FAiDA | ping www.downloads.openmoko.org |
| 22:06.29 | open|FAiDA | PING www.downloads.openmoko.org (208.69.34.132): 56 data bytes |
| 22:06.29 | open|FAiDA | 64 bytes from 208.69.34.132: seq=0 ttl=51 time=77.428 ms |
| 22:07.03 | Tig| | I am wondering if opkg does rdns |
| 22:07.41 | open|FAiDA | (wget of generic file in internet works ) |
| 22:07.44 | Tig| | how long have you left it when running opkg update (i am thinking about networking timeouts) |
| 22:08.00 | open|FAiDA | 10-15 min...remains in the same line |
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| 22:09.07 | Tig| | daft question, this is clutching at straws as this seems most off. have you put anything in the hosts file ? |
| 22:09.44 | Tig| | or can you point the dns at opendns just to eliminate a point in the chain |
| 22:10.26 | *** part/#openmoko rebelThor (n=thor@79.118.187.188) |
| 22:10.53 | open|FAiDA | my resolv.conf have nameserver 208.67.222.222 |
| 22:10.53 | open|FAiDA | nameserver 208.67.220.222 |
| 22:11.20 | Kensan | white_gecko: you can follow the commit history of the source repo at git.openmoko.org |
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| 22:11.58 | Tig| | right open|FAiDA ping downloads.om to find its ip |
| 22:12.15 | *** part/#openmoko xeros (i=xeros@gtm162.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 22:12.18 | Tig| | then telnet it on port 80 and see if you can connect |
| 22:12.28 | open|FAiDA | 208.69.34.132: |
| 22:12.36 | open|FAiDA | Tig|, how? |
| 22:12.38 | open|FAiDA | :-( |
| 22:12.48 | white_gecko | Kensan: thankyou |
| 22:13.02 | Tig| | telnet 208.69.34.132 80 |
| 22:13.06 | Tig| | iirc |
| 22:13.25 | Kensan | white_gecko: a couple speedup patches were just posted to the devel ML the past couple days, which are not in git yet. |
| 22:14.01 | open|FAiDA | Tig|, HTTP/1.0 408 Request Time-out |
| 22:14.06 | open|FAiDA | etc.. |
| 22:14.43 | Kensan | white_gecko: there's not much speedup for boottime though... qi (the "new" bootloader) will help with that a bit. Anyway, most time is spent during init. |
| 22:14.45 | Tig| | then you definatly have a network issue that is blocking your http traffic from your FR to the OM server |
| 22:15.11 | open|FAiDA | Tig|, ? |
| 22:15.14 | Tig| | open|FAiDA: you may have a proxy server in the way |
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| 22:16.57 | Tig| | are you in a uni or have shared net access? |
| 22:17.17 | open|FAiDA | Tig|, no in my home with adsl modem |
| 22:17.24 | Tig| | odd |
| 22:17.24 | open|FAiDA | no router :-/ |
| 22:19.10 | Tig| | open|FAiDA: on your desktop machine try : telnet downloads.openmoko.org 80 |
| 22:19.14 | open|FAiDA | Tig|, what? |
| 22:19.22 | open|FAiDA | ok |
| 22:19.33 | Tig| | from a command prompt |
| 22:20.01 | open|FAiDA | Trying 88.198.93.219... |
| 22:20.01 | open|FAiDA | Connected to shakti.openmoko.org. |
| 22:20.01 | open|FAiDA | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 22:20.11 | Tig| | right |
| 22:20.27 | Tig| | your desktop machine can connect with the server |
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| 22:20.50 | Tig| | what happens when you run that command on the FR |
| 22:21.45 | open|FAiDA | nothing |
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| 22:23.45 | open|FAiDA | i have pppoe |
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| 22:24.18 | Tig| | apologies, have to go |
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| 22:32.54 | Kensan | raster: hey there |
| 22:33.11 | Kensan | raster: flaky net connection? |
| 22:33.31 | raster | no |
| 22:33.33 | raster | buggy xchat |
| 22:33.39 | raster | because i moved my channel list buttons |
| 22:33.43 | raster | it came up and the ui hung |
| 22:33.47 | raster | in a infinite loop |
| 22:34.28 | Kensan | raster: well at least now everybody knows your in :) |
| 22:34.44 | open|FAiDA | noone have a suggestion :-/ |
| 22:35.05 | raster | hehehhe |
| 22:35.10 | raster | i'm in man |
| 22:35.13 | raster | in... |
| 22:35.32 | Kensan | raster: bought a crib for the gang yet? ;) |
| 22:36.52 | raster | no |
| 22:36.53 | raster | no time |
| 22:37.37 | raster | my homies are still loose in da hood |
| 22:40.02 | crib | ! |
| 22:45.47 | Kensan | raster: so what's keeping you busy atm? Elementary or other e stuff? |
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| 22:45.57 | raster | elementary mostly |
| 22:46.06 | Kensan | raster: how is it coming along? |
| 22:46.12 | raster | also new leads for EFL on new vendor devices |
| 22:46.23 | raster | and e17 itself |
| 22:46.31 | raster | and some "real life" |
| 22:46.46 | Kensan | raster: yeah real life sounds god. |
| 22:46.49 | Kensan | good |
| 22:47.02 | raster | also business leads and some other g4roup that want me for x stuff |
| 22:47.15 | raster | so basicall yi'm juggling more work than i can handle. |
| 22:47.23 | raster | (right now) |
| 22:47.24 | Kensan | raster: right... |
| 22:47.27 | raster | given the world economy |
| 22:47.34 | raster | who knows what it'll be like in 6 months tho |
| 22:47.49 | raster | so i'm playing squirrel |
| 22:47.53 | raster | stuffin my nuts |
| 22:47.57 | Kensan | raster: haha |
| 22:48.28 | Kensan | I thought you aussies just do the surfing teacher thing if no other work is about ;) |
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| 22:48.59 | raster | i don't surf |
| 22:48.59 | raster | :) |
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| 22:49.23 | raster | and - if no work is about... i'll be getting worried about income.. and how to pay rent |
| 22:49.24 | raster | and eat |
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| 22:49.56 | rwhitby | raster: I'll give you a job :-) |
| 22:50.15 | Kensan | raster: well I believe something would come up given your rep ;) |
| 22:50.31 | Kensan | raster: maybe as a bouncer ;) |
| 22:50.36 | raster | rwhitby: washng your dishes? |
| 22:50.37 | raster | :) |
| 22:50.37 | BobOfDoom | haha |
| 22:50.44 | Kensan | rwhitby: oh hey there. |
| 22:50.54 | Kensan | rwhitby: wanted to ask you if you looked into gerrit |
| 22:50.55 | rwhitby | raster: writing models of hardware |
| 22:50.55 | raster | Kensan: right now - thasts what is happening. things keep "coming up" |
| 22:51.06 | rwhitby | Kensan: no time at the moment |
| 22:51.13 | raster | wr "writing models" ? |
| 22:51.18 | raster | err |
| 22:51.22 | raster | rwhitby: "writing models" ? |
| 22:51.26 | BobOfDoom | Kensan: I guess I'm not a real Australian -- I don't live on the coast |
| 22:51.42 | raster | BobOfDoom: 'berra right? |
| 22:51.47 | BobOfDoom | yeah |
| 22:51.53 | raster | poor bugger |
| 22:51.53 | Kensan | rwhitby: ok. seems like all aussies are busy while everybody else is laying back :) |
| 22:51.53 | raster | :( |
| 22:52.21 | raster | Kensan: yeah. we just have the "reputation" for lazing about on the beach or at the pub |
| 22:52.30 | raster | in reality we are all working our little behinds off |
| 22:52.38 | Kensan | BobOfDoom: it was a rather inaccurate joke which would have applied to... California. |
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| 22:52.44 | Kensan | scratches his head |
| 22:52.54 | Kensan | Ok, that made no sense *hah* |
| 22:53.35 | Kensan | raster: yeah, friend of mine is in sidney doing exactly that. |
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| 22:54.15 | Kensan | (beach/pub/beer/nothing) |
| 22:54.16 | balrog-k1n | a really good surfing teacher doesn't need water ;) |
| 22:54.35 | raster | hehehe |
| 22:54.37 | raster | steak |
| 22:54.42 | raster | don't forget the steak |
| 22:54.45 | raster | actually |
| 22:54.48 | raster | should eat roo steaks |
| 22:54.55 | Kensan | he's veggi |
| 22:55.01 | raster | no fat - and good for the environment, unlike moo |
| 22:55.04 | Kensan | Imagine that |
| 22:55.08 | raster | wtf? |
| 22:55.14 | raster | veggies |
| 22:55.15 | BobOfDoom | haha |
| 22:55.18 | raster | doesnt grok veggies |
| 22:55.26 | Kensan | he replaces steak with beer |
| 22:55.32 | raster | how can you not want all that nice.. MEAT! |
| 22:55.33 | Kensan | so I say fair enough |
| 22:55.53 | raster | hahahaha |
| 22:56.21 | bricode | Kensan: Gerrit seems kind of interesting. Submitted my first patch today. |
| 22:56.25 | balrog-k1n | after all.. what's the difference |
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| 22:56.55 | Kensan | bricode: yeah, I think it can be helpfull in many projects especially foss. |
| 22:56.59 | raster | ponders |
| 22:57.16 | raster | i wonder.. if i set up a company.. where i shoudl set it up |
| 22:57.23 | raster | i'm tempted by one of these nice offshore spots |
| 22:57.34 | Kensan | raster: Switzerland - the save haven. |
| 22:57.35 | ljp | fiji |
| 22:57.37 | Kensan | *muahaha* |
| 22:57.44 | raster | Kensan: expensive to set up |
| 22:58.01 | Kensan | raster: yeah and too many broke bankers |
| 22:58.28 | raster | hmm |
| 22:58.32 | raster | not offered by this mob |
| 22:58.36 | raster | will need to check elsewhere |
| 22:59.03 | Kensan | raster: well you know if you are from here it has it's benefits. You can travel the world and always say:"Oh I like it here, stuff is so cheap..." |
| 22:59.36 | raster | HAHAHAHAHHA |
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| 22:59.46 | Kensan | raster: seriously it's true. |
| 22:59.59 | Kensan | raster: Japan is cheap for me ;) |
| 22:59.59 | raster | Kensan: trust me. i'm already there. i've spent my life living in some of the worlds most expensive cities |
| 23:00.12 | raster | sydney, san francisco, tokyo |
| 23:00.25 | raster | Kensan: tokyo can be reasonable - and can scuk the money out of you like no tomorrow |
| 23:00.29 | raster | depends how smart u are |
| 23:00.29 | BobOfDoom | Kensan: here = california? |
| 23:00.30 | raster | :) |
| 23:00.33 | robster | raster: you should move to london |
| 23:00.37 | Kensan | BobOfDoom: god forbid! |
| 23:00.50 | raster | robster: been there |
| 23:00.55 | raster | 20pounds for breakkie |
| 23:00.55 | Kensan | raster: it's cheap for me because I have relatives all over ;) |
| 23:00.59 | raster | :) |
| 23:01.13 | raster | Kensan: yeah. u dont have to pay for most things |
| 23:01.22 | raster | but if u had a wife to bring |
| 23:01.22 | Kensan | raster: and they insist on inviting you *ALL* the time :) |
| 23:01.26 | robster | it better be a damn good brekkie for 20 quid. |
| 23:01.31 | raster | and had to pay hotel room rates.. whihc are charged PER PERSON... |
| 23:01.35 | Kensan | raster: well, I am still young ;) |
| 23:01.36 | raster | u'd be singing a different tune |
| 23:01.37 | raster | :) |
| 23:01.41 | Kensan | raster: I know. |
| 23:01.51 | raster | robster: hilton @ canary wharf. |
| 23:01.52 | Kensan | raster: I saw the prices eventhough I didn't have to pay :) |
| 23:01.59 | Kensan | BobOfDoom: Switzerland |
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| 23:02.39 | raster | Kensan: try the supermarket |
| 23:02.54 | raster | minced meat.. when on special is 1000yen/kg |
| 23:02.59 | raster | and that stuff is mostly fat |
| 23:03.15 | raster | in ,au minced meat with almost no fat - ie all meat - $5/kg |
| 23:03.26 | raster | (so about 350yen/kg) |
| 23:03.44 | raster | hang out in the foodhalls in the keio department store |
| 23:03.56 | raster | seen meat for $250/kg+ |
| 23:04.03 | ljp | meat means murder |
| 23:04.17 | raster | yum yum. meat |
| 23:04.19 | BobOfDoom | raster: what sort of company are you setting up? contracting for EFL stuff? |
| 23:04.26 | raster | als vegetables in jp are pricey |
| 23:04.39 | raster | BobOfDoom: right now that seems to be the major deal |
| 23:05.22 | Kensan | raster: yeah, when I was visiting Tokyo I got served some Kobe Gyu(!) |
| 23:05.47 | Kensan | raster: those people have an appartment in Harajuku... |
| 23:06.05 | raster | oooh |
| 23:06.08 | raster | where in harajuku |
| 23:06.12 | raster | near takeshadori |
| 23:06.15 | raster | or omekaido? |
| 23:06.25 | Kensan | yoyogi park entrance |
| 23:06.33 | raster | oooh that ends |
| 23:06.41 | raster | must be near takeshita dorri |
| 23:06.41 | Kensan | omote-sando |
| 23:06.44 | raster | near the jr station? |
| 23:06.50 | raster | aaah ometasando! |
| 23:06.51 | Kensan | yeah pretty close |
| 23:06.54 | raster | on omotesando? |
| 23:07.08 | ljp | ummm.. I used to watch Godzilla movies |
| 23:07.22 | Kensan | raster: well not right on omotesando but jsut right behind it |
| 23:07.32 | raster | hmm |
| 23:07.33 | raster | still |
| 23:07.39 | raster | very chic |
| 23:07.48 | Kensan | raster: yeah! |
| 23:07.59 | Kensan | raster: crazy expensive there |
| 23:08.00 | raster | how big? |
| 23:08.04 | raster | 1ldk |
| 23:08.05 | raster | 1r |
| 23:08.06 | raster | 2ldk |
| 23:08.09 | raster | 3ldk? |
| 23:08.19 | Kensan | raster: hm I actually don't know |
| 23:08.27 | raster | ooh |
| 23:08.37 | raster | well not going to be cheap that corner of town |
| 23:08.45 | raster | if tis big |
| 23:08.47 | raster | 2 or 3 ldk |
| 23:08.52 | raster | it'll be mucho-pricey |
| 23:09.07 | raster | i guess minimum 25-30man/month |
| 23:09.08 | Kensan | ldk? |
| 23:09.15 | raster | lounge dining kitchen |
| 23:09.20 | Kensan | ah |
| 23:09.27 | ljp | I liked baby godzille |
| 23:10.01 | raster | in jp apartments are specified with "number of bedrooms" then dk, ldk, k, r (r meaning just N big rooms) |
| 23:10.32 | Kensan | 3 bedroms if I recall correctly |
| 23:11.02 | raster | hmm |
| 23:11.14 | Kensan | it's been a while and I didn't spend much time at the apartment ;) |
| 23:11.14 | raster | lots of small islands offering offshore corp. |
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| 23:11.38 | raster | Kensan: aaah |
| 23:11.56 | Kensan | raster: Akihabra was within walking distance of the hotel I was staying :) |
| 23:12.11 | raster | akiba is definitely a hike from harajuku |
| 23:12.14 | raster | akiba is cool |
| 23:12.22 | raster | tho i've done it often enough |
| 23:12.45 | Kensan | raster: yeah, I "always" go there when I pass through Tokyo. |
| 23:13.05 | BobOfDoom | dang |
| 23:13.15 | BobOfDoom | I was hpoing there'd be an "Enlightenment Island" somewhere |
| 23:13.33 | BobOfDoom | closest thing I could find is an "Englightenment Way" in Florida |
| 23:13.38 | raster | hahahaha |
| 23:13.45 | raster | well its the usual suspects poping up |
| 23:13.49 | raster | marshall islands |
| 23:13.53 | raster | british virgin islands |
| 23:13.58 | Kensan | raster: buy the island that the piratebay guys wanted to buy and call it E-Kingdom |
| 23:14.01 | raster | seychelles |
| 23:14.14 | raster | swiss require CHF20,000 invested in the company to start |
| 23:14.19 | raster | plus hefty setup fees |
| 23:14.29 | Kensan | BobOfDoom: let me guess, that way was leading to a church.. |
| 23:14.36 | Kensan | raster: CH is expensive |
| 23:14.42 | raster | yeah |
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| 23:14.53 | raster | seems a bit silly to incorporate there |
| 23:14.56 | Kensan | raster: but if you open up shop in Zug you pay almost no tax |
| 23:15.08 | raster | zug... as an individual |
| 23:15.11 | raster | or a company? |
| 23:15.22 | Kensan | raster: lots of companies have their HQ in CH especially in Zug (city) |
| 23:15.29 | raster | in these island places u can open up shap and pay literally no tax |
| 23:15.45 | raster | or werll there's a annual flat tax of like a few hundred euro |
| 23:16.07 | raster | so if u have profits of $1,000,000 |
| 23:16.11 | raster | u stilll pay the same flat tax |
| 23:16.13 | raster | :) |
| 23:16.58 | Kensan | raster: so you plan on making some dough then? Fleeing from the australian tax officers ;) |
| 23:17.40 | raster | Kensan: not fleeing |
| 23:17.48 | raster | simply pooling profits into the company |
| 23:17.52 | raster | not me as an individual |
| 23:18.01 | raster | i pay myself just what i need to surivive |
| 23:18.12 | raster | and depending on my place of residence |
| 23:18.14 | raster | pay tax there |
| 23:18.26 | Kensan | raster: was just kidding. There's a big ruckus here in Europe since germany is throwing their weight at Switzerland (+Lichtenstein) |
| 23:18.29 | raster | as of septembder that is australia. |
| 23:18.32 | raster | september |
| 23:18.38 | Kensan | about tax evasion etc |
| 23:18.52 | raster | bah |
| 23:18.57 | raster | i like it |
| 23:18.59 | raster | its competition |
| 23:19.08 | raster | countries compete for business and people |
| 23:19.14 | raster | by having either nicer services |
| 23:19.15 | johngay | You can do like Lee Iacoca did when he rescued Chrysler. Pay yourself 1 dollar a year, and let the company pay all your expences for you. |
| 23:19.18 | raster | standard of living |
| 23:19.20 | raster | safety |
| 23:19.24 | raster | better job opportunities |
| 23:19.27 | raster | or lower taxes |
| 23:19.29 | raster | or all of them |
| 23:19.43 | raster | johngay: pretty much :) |
| 23:19.44 | igor321 | the tax code is retarded in many countries |
| 23:19.57 | raster | igor321: i know |
| 23:20.09 | raster | in .au they keep finding mroe ways for you not to file deductions |
| 23:20.13 | raster | it sucks |
| 23:20.20 | raster | and u pay a big lump in tax |
| 23:20.23 | igor321 | i'm a big fan of the flat tax thing |
| 23:20.30 | raster | for individuals |
| 23:20.32 | raster | or companies? |
| 23:20.39 | igor321 | for both |
| 23:20.45 | johngay | Move to Ireland and declare your code to be Art. Artists don't pay tax on their artwork (-; |
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| 23:20.48 | raster | hehe |
| 23:20.54 | raster | flat as in % |
| 23:20.58 | raster | or flat as in flat fee? |
| 23:21.06 | raster | johngay: HAHAHAHA |
| 23:21.08 | igor321 | a tax on consumption and income, flat as in % :) |
| 23:21.21 | raster | igor321: i agree |
| 23:21.28 | raster | have taxes on consumption |
| 23:21.32 | raster | eg land tax |
| 23:21.46 | raster | tax water/power/phone etc. (consumption) |
| 23:21.49 | raster | and other spending |
| 23:21.56 | raster | if u dont spend much - u dont pay too much |
| 23:22.05 | raster | i'd even go for no income tax |
| 23:22.15 | raster | zero - it'd cut down massive amounts of paperwork for the govt |
| 23:22.19 | raster | save money |
| 23:22.26 | raster | just have like 20% VAT |
| 23:22.33 | raster | no other taxes |
| 23:22.33 | igor321 | we'll a lot of people would be out of work :) |
| 23:22.38 | igor321 | so you can't have that :) |
| 23:22.44 | raster | (or wel something like that 10% 15%, 20%) |
| 23:23.00 | igor321 | but yeah, as a rule of thumb, the lower the taxes, the efficent the country |
| 23:23.03 | raster | igor321: why would they be out of work? |
| 23:23.09 | raster | oh wait |
| 23:23.12 | raster | fewer @ the tax dept |
| 23:23.13 | raster | yeah |
| 23:23.15 | igor321 | the tax people |
| 23:23.17 | igor321 | :) |
| 23:23.18 | igor321 | yeah |
| 23:23.24 | raster | they can go do somethnig productive with their lives |
| 23:23.30 | raster | rather than suck blood from everyone else |
| 23:23.33 | johngay | But spending is what boosts the economy. If you tax people on what they spend only, you'll reduce spending and wipe out the economy. |
| 23:23.47 | raster | go create somethgn that makes this world or our lives in it better |
| 23:24.01 | raster | johngay: u'll encourage saving |
| 23:24.01 | igor321 | johngay: why would you say that |
| 23:24.08 | raster | look where spending got the usa? |
| 23:24.14 | Kensan | raster: yeah please do that |
| 23:24.16 | raster | u spend - then spend money u dont have |
| 23:24.18 | raster | as u never saved it |
| 23:24.23 | raster | etc. |
| 23:24.28 | johngay | That wasn't spending that wiped out the US economy, it was over lending. |
| 23:24.31 | raster | sooner or later the house of cards will come down |
| 23:24.49 | johngay | That's why Income tax is always higher then spending tax. |
| 23:24.50 | Kensan | raster: e spews some errors just before X comes up. Read something about "spank spank" ;) |
| 23:24.51 | raster | johngay: lending was fuelled by spending |
| 23:24.55 | raster | :) |
| 23:25.04 | raster | if you follow the trail |
| 23:25.11 | raster | Kensan: yay! spank! |
| 23:25.31 | johngay | But they were spending what they didn't have. |
| 23:25.37 | raster | yes |
| 23:25.47 | igor321 | one catch though, the more indebted we are, the greater the chance we'll work to pay it off, and unknowingy create a heaven on earth |
| 23:25.58 | raster | as they had either taken out extra loans on their houses to pay for consumer goods |
| 23:25.59 | raster | eg |
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| 23:26.03 | igor321 | cause if we weren't indebted, we'd be lazy :) |
| 23:26.41 | raster | "ooh we spent $200,000 on our house. the agent says its worth $300,000 - lets take out an extra $100,000 mortgage on the increase in value so we can buy a nice new hdtv or car or..." |
| 23:26.52 | raster | and of course the banks were stupid enough to lend up to 100% of the value |
| 23:27.24 | Kensan | goes to his "happy place" |
| 23:27.26 | raster | or u have "lets just upgrade to a fancier place and borrow it ALL 100% so we spend our existing savings on cars and tv's... oh what savings?" |
| 23:27.31 | raster | and then.. the bubble pops |
| 23:27.35 | raster | prices plummet |
| 23:27.47 | Kensan | has heard too much about (financial) crisis |
| 23:28.02 | raster | peolpe go "why should i pay the bank more for a house that is now worht less than i owe? in the deal if i default - they keep the house. it's cheaper for me to do that" |
| 23:28.04 | raster | and so people do it |
| 23:28.10 | raster | take their il-gotten consumer items |
| 23:28.17 | raster | and run for the hills |
| 23:28.22 | raster | and the banks are up the creek... |
| 23:28.33 | techiem2-r | tosses a rabid squirrel into Kensan's happy place |
| 23:28.41 | raster | anyway8 |
| 23:28.42 | raster | saving is good |
| 23:28.47 | raster | peolpe shoudl save for a rainy day |
| 23:28.51 | raster | they shopuld spend what they have saved |
| 23:28.57 | raster | not borrow for their spending |
| 23:29.03 | igor321 | saving is also green if you think about it |
| 23:29.04 | techiem2-r | mhm |
| 23:29.08 | Kensan | techiem2-r: oh evil you! |
| 23:29.22 | techiem2-r | mwahaha |
| 23:29.28 | igor321 | the more you save the less you spend, therefore less resources are spent on shit |
| 23:29.34 | johngay | Saving IS good, buy you need spending to drive an economy. |
| 23:29.37 | Kensan | raster: the idea was to lead a good life now with the money you "will" earn. |
| 23:29.50 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 23:29.54 | raster | johngay: sure. and thats where u provide more income TO spend |
| 23:29.59 | Kensan | raster: the issues is what you "will" learn is not at all the same as the money you have in your pocket |
| 23:30.11 | raster | by not taxing it and taxing away 30 or 405% or so of what u earn |
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| 23:30.27 | raster | u have 30% MOre to spend (or save) as u see fit |
| 23:30.43 | johngay | What country taxes people 405%??? |
| 23:30.47 | techiem2-r | predicts he "will" earn $50,000,000/yr |
| 23:30.52 | techiem2-r | :P |
| 23:30.53 | raster | 45% |
| 23:30.55 | raster | typo |
| 23:30.56 | raster | :) |
| 23:31.23 | johngay | I knew the Beatles were taxed 95%. |
| 23:31.44 | raster | wtf? |
| 23:32.13 | igor321 | it's possible |
| 23:32.34 | raster | they must have had shit accountants |
| 23:32.38 | raster | :) |
| 23:32.42 | igor321 | well most of us are taxed at something like 70% i'd say |
| 23:32.45 | johngay | Hence the line, "It's one for you nineteen for me. Taxman!" |
| 23:32.49 | igor321 | first you pay 45% on income |
| 23:32.59 | igor321 | then 20 or so on consumption |
| 23:33.06 | techiem2-r | 45%? |
| 23:33.09 | techiem2-r | ouch |
| 23:33.10 | igor321 | and those are only the little taxes |
| 23:33.19 | igor321 | *the big taxes |
| 23:33.20 | igor321 | typo |
| 23:33.28 | raster | last time i filed a tax return in .au as a resident thats the agregate rate i paid |
| 23:33.34 | raster | actually 43% is what it worked out as |
| 23:33.40 | techiem2-r | ah |
| 23:33.42 | raster | then i went out of .au to escape it |
| 23:33.48 | techiem2-r | ouch |
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| 23:34.16 | raster | the top marginal taxrate was 48.5% |
| 23:34.16 | igor321 | yeah it's too fucking much |
| 23:34.22 | raster | (if u include medicare) |
| 23:34.30 | raster | and the majority of income was in that bracket |
| 23:34.40 | igor321 | the services you get for government, they also aren't free |
| 23:34.42 | techiem2-r | I generally don't end up paying much |
| 23:34.43 | igor321 | only the police |
| 23:34.44 | johngay | And Americans complain when they pay 10-15% tax, AFTER deducting 10-20K from their income to find 'taxable' income. |
| 23:34.46 | raster | as for like a decade or more au never moved taxt brackets |
| 23:34.50 | techiem2-r | but I don't make much..... |
| 23:34.52 | igor321 | i also pay for roads, lights, everything |
| 23:34.58 | raster | they raised taxes but the levels at which they kicked in never changed |
| 23:35.00 | techiem2-r | ah |
| 23:35.07 | raster | so u basically kept paying more and more tax as you eart more |
| 23:35.14 | raster | but u had to earn more |
| 23:35.15 | raster | inflation |
| 23:35.26 | raster | so u basically suffered "bracket creep" |
| 23:35.34 | johngay | In Ireland I was paying 21% on the first 35K, and 42% on everything above with NO deductions. |
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| 23:36.06 | raster | johngay: yeah. also in au they basically managed to rule out almost all deductions |
| 23:36.35 | raster | also in .au i dont have access to many services |
| 23:36.42 | raster | no unemployment protection or pension |
| 23:36.49 | techiem2-r | guesses he can't complain too much about his @15% |
| 23:36.59 | raster | u can only get unemployment benefits when u have spent all your liquid assets except the last $5000 |
| 23:37.03 | raster | so if u save monye |
| 23:37.06 | raster | u are screrwed |
| 23:37.20 | raster | u just pay lots of tax and fund those shwo sonsume until they have no cash left |
| 23:37.26 | raster | THEY get the unemployment help |
| 23:37.27 | techiem2-r | o.O |
| 23:37.41 | Kensan | raster: sent ya the latest bootchart |
| 23:37.50 | igor321 | i always wondered how government manage to waste our money so efficiently :) |
| 23:37.58 | raster | same with medicare - earn over 35k (around $25k us these days) and u pay an extar 1% tax unless u fork out for private helathcare |
| 23:38.10 | Kensan | raster: still looks crap |
| 23:38.21 | raster | all sorts of other nasties too |
| 23:38.33 | tomboy64 | is there a way to have opkg check for a) unnecessary packages that are left as dependencies that were pulled in and b) for overwritten file from earlier installations? |
| 23:39.15 | raster | that basicall ymean "if u are poor and spent all your money on your hous./mortgage or on consuming and buying fancy cars, tv's etc. the cgovt will help u and you get some benfits. if you are sensible and save for a rainy day, you are screwed" |
| 23:39.22 | Kensan | damned 1:40 again |
| 23:39.30 | raster | and i have to say... it irks me that things are like that |
| 23:39.39 | raster | fetches mail |
| 23:40.23 | Kensan | raster: boottime is just around 60 secs |
| 23:41.02 | raster | udevd -> rc still takes forever |
| 23:42.12 | raster | and the 2n'd rc |
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| 23:42.15 | Kensan | raster: yeah as I wrote, don't know what's actually happening there for about 10 secs |
| 23:42.19 | raster | (That starts modprobe and netowrking etc.) |
| 23:42.27 | raster | thats got a big pause |
| 23:42.32 | raster | other than that.. udevd... |
| 23:42.54 | raster | that 10 secs needs checking |
| 23:43.01 | Kensan | raster: I think the udev config is still not correct. |
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| 23:43.07 | raster | the 7 secs for exquisitie are pretty plain |
| 23:43.11 | raster | its hammering cpu |
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| 23:43.14 | Kensan | raster: need to look into that. grad some debug output |
| 23:43.29 | raster | (ie most of it is dyn lib loading and pagind initial libs off disk) |
| 23:43.57 | raster | the first half of exquisite-reite has the same thing |
| 23:44.06 | raster | the dark blue/pink shows that |
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| 23:46.20 | Kensan | raster: hm IO is not shown properly... |
| 23:46.33 | raster | IO also is a lot of the blue cpu |
| 23:46.39 | raster | as IO is decompressing jffs2 |
| 23:47.07 | Kensan | raster: I guess ubifs could help with the reads |
| 23:47.29 | raster | unlikely |
| 23:47.39 | raster | the results i've seen show it a bit slower than jffs2 |
| 23:47.41 | raster | marginally |
| 23:47.47 | raster | much better for mounts tho |
| 23:47.52 | Kensan | raster: I thought that was for writes |
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| 23:48.52 | Kensan | raster: that's really strange. 20-30 is just a blank... |
| 23:50.02 | raster | yup |
| 23:50.14 | raster | i wonder if there is some silly sleep/pause there somewhere |
| 23:51.17 | poutine | http://www.pastebin.ca/1234273 <-I'm trying to compile u-boot for the smdk2440, I'm getting 2 ARM relocation errors during the linking phase with not much other information, does anyone have any pointers? |
| 23:51.51 | rooly | 0xa4bcf 0xffff 0x1337 |
| 23:52.24 | Kensan | raster: hm... that would mean it's in rc... |
| 23:52.27 | poutine | rooly, pun not intended :) |
| 23:52.38 | poutine | plus, 16-bit address space.... |
| 23:52.51 | Kensan | raster: maybe it's "waiting" for udev to finish. but since that's not an issue anymore... |
| 23:53.17 | rooly | ahh |
| 23:53.18 | rooly | my bad |
| 23:54.20 | raster | Kensan: good q. |
| 23:54.37 | raster | an strace with timestamps on the rc script might be a good call |
