| 00:02.09 | Kagee | is not dead |
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| 00:23.55 | mwester | is most definitely not alive |
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| 00:27.52 | ColdFyre | pokes mwester for a new qtopia kernel |
| 00:28.17 | mwester | suggests that might not be a good idea |
| 00:28.35 | ColdFyre | asks why |
| 00:30.04 | mwester | points out that some of the very recent changes for the kernel have resulted in some GTA02s exhibiting the WSoD when unblanking the display, rather than just on resume. |
| 00:30.56 | mwester | then wonders if perhaps the decision of which kernel to run should be left to the end user to choose, and maybe just a cautionary note on the web page would suffice... |
| 00:31.21 | ColdFyre | nods and goes off to get KFC |
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| 00:35.09 | w0 | hi fellow users |
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| 00:53.46 | sandman | So does Debian run okay on the FreeRunner? |
| 00:54.29 | techiem2-r | mhm |
| 00:55.37 | w0 | what's the point anyway ? |
| 00:56.18 | techiem2-r | cuz you CAN |
| 00:56.33 | techiem2-r | and you get the nice debian repositories |
| 00:56.34 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 00:56.44 | w0 | I thought the point of having a distribution was to have relevant software |
| 00:56.47 | ljp | just because you can doesnt mean you should |
| 00:56.55 | w0 | I don't think debian (or gentoo or whatever ..) is relevant to the freerunner |
| 00:57.16 | techiem2-r | if it can take advantage of the hardware, it's relevant |
| 00:57.28 | techiem2-r | after all, it's just a small computer with a gps and gsm modem built in |
| 00:57.29 | techiem2-r | :) |
| 00:57.32 | w0 | debian-arm cannot. at least, not the stock install |
| 00:57.49 | w0 | you won't have x11+window manager tweaked for small screen for instance |
| 00:58.02 | techiem2-r | actually I'm running xfce on my debian install |
| 00:58.12 | w0 | nor any useful applications to place calls, manage contacts ... all that kind of stuff that most people expect from a phone :) |
| 00:58.19 | techiem2-r | zhone is there |
| 00:58.24 | w0 | you'll end up cross-compiling them some how |
| 00:58.26 | techiem2-r | given, it's light, but it's there |
| 00:59.02 | techiem2-r | I don't use debian much, just boot it once in a while to play with |
| 00:59.04 | mjr | yeah, it's not the stock debian of course but those debian/fr guys have packaged the fso stack, such as it is |
| 00:59.07 | w0 | and you *will* loose hairs, friends, and time doing all that Xcompile |
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| 00:59.24 | techiem2-r | I haven't had to crosscompile anything... |
| 00:59.40 | w0 | not yet. you'll end up having to at some point .. |
| 00:59.42 | mjr | ref. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 00:59.52 | techiem2-r | I've got the main stuff |
| 01:00.05 | techiem2-r | zhone, tango, gpsdrive, etc. |
| 01:00.25 | techiem2-r | I installed wesnoth but it doesn't scale down to the screen size so it wasn't usable |
| 01:00.28 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 01:00.59 | techiem2-r | unless you want to spend 3/4 of your game dragging the screen around |
| 01:01.00 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 01:01.07 | w0 | yep |
| 01:01.23 | w0 | I guess the folks handling wesnoth havent thought of the lo-fi displays |
| 01:01.28 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 01:01.30 | techiem2-r | probably not |
| 01:01.35 | w0 | nethacks works fine on the shell though :) |
| 01:01.39 | techiem2-r | haha |
| 01:01.42 | w0 | s/on/through/ |
| 01:01.51 | w0 | wonderful bot |
| 01:01.53 | w0 | :) |
| 01:02.44 | techiem2-r | I did manage to get furyband to compile on 2008.9, but for some reason the X version wouldn't run and when I ran it in shell on ssh the screen didn't render right |
| 01:02.49 | techiem2-r | will have to try in debian |
| 01:02.49 | w0 | does anyone do MIDI-over-ethernet from the moko yet ? |
| 01:02.56 | techiem2-r | o.O |
| 01:03.13 | w0 | a friend of mine got a nice little control app for the iphone ... allowing him to control stuff on his main music rig from the phone |
| 01:03.22 | w0 | I want the same thing :) |
| 01:03.34 | techiem2-r | cool |
| 01:03.52 | techiem2-r | I got ReMoko working the other day |
| 01:03.54 | si-m1 | what about remoko |
| 01:03.58 | techiem2-r | that's fun to play with |
| 01:04.13 | si-m1 | ye, looks nice |
| 01:04.30 | techiem2-r | oddly enough it wouldn't connect to windows on hte same machine |
| 01:04.31 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 01:04.46 | techiem2-r | bt manager kept giving auth errors or some such oddity |
| 01:04.49 | techiem2-r | such is windows.... |
| 01:04.51 | w0 | ow |
| 01:05.01 | w0 | perhaps remoko could trigger some midi crap on the host |
| 01:05.21 | w0 | do you know cheap, linux compatible, bluetooth usb dongles ? |
| 01:05.46 | si-m1 | yeah, billion ones are pretty cheap |
| 01:06.11 | w0 | so noname crap for nothing should be supported |
| 01:06.14 | w0 | good to know |
| 01:06.19 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 01:06.28 | si-m1 | yeah, hehe |
| 01:06.40 | si-m1 | i've just bought the cheapest i could find |
| 01:06.45 | w0 | I wonder if the remoko UI is easily customizable |
| 01:06.45 | si-m1 | dlink and billion |
| 01:06.48 | si-m1 | both worked |
| 01:07.35 | si-m1 | its written in python |
| 01:07.46 | Sixofour|AFK | Why am i in openmoko? |
| 01:07.58 | Sixofour|AFK | What is this channel about? |
| 01:08.15 | techiem2-r | Why are you in the universe? |
| 01:08.30 | w0 | what is the universe about ? |
| 01:08.34 | w0 | si-m1: nice |
| 01:09.03 | techiem2-r | I gotta try out a bt headset sometime |
| 01:09.28 | w0 | have someone tryed these bt keyboards ? |
| 01:09.36 | techiem2-r | probably |
| 01:09.37 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 01:09.37 | w0 | I found a reference to it a while ago |
| 01:09.50 | techiem2-r | that would be nice too |
| 01:09.57 | techiem2-r | cept BT keyboards tend to be $$ |
| 01:09.59 | w0 | and now I don't know what to chase. I'm willing to get one. stylus is painful for shell usage |
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| 01:10.12 | techiem2-r | can always hook up a usb kb |
| 01:10.20 | w0 | yeahhh ? |
| 01:10.38 | w0 | uhm would be funny to walk around in the city with my usb keyboard.. |
| 01:10.54 | techiem2-r | I have a rolly one |
| 01:10.55 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 01:10.59 | w0 | rolly ? |
| 01:11.07 | techiem2-r | rubber rollup type |
| 01:11.08 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 01:11.19 | techiem2-r | it was like $10 at Staples so I grabbed it |
| 01:11.44 | si-m1 | http://www.onehandedkeyboard.com/imagesfolder/halfsmall.JPG |
| 01:11.47 | si-m1 | nice and small one |
| 01:11.53 | si-m1 | he he |
| 01:12.14 | techiem2-r | cool |
| 01:12.47 | w0 | I have to check this. brb |
| 01:12.48 | techiem2-r | looks like it would take some getting used to though |
| 01:12.58 | si-m1 | yeah |
| 01:13.11 | si-m1 | supposedly you can learn to type almost as fast as with a normal one |
| 01:13.26 | techiem2-r | nice |
| 01:13.36 | si-m1 | except for special characters i suppose |
| 01:13.53 | techiem2-r | mhm |
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| 01:25.32 | mattl | can anyone help me with GPRS? |
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| 02:33.26 | rooly|away | hahaha |
| 02:33.27 | Infoport | hello all! how is the QTextended DNS setup? is this the same issue witrh resolvconf that 2008.8 had? |
| 02:33.34 | rooly|away | the qtopia dictionary has linux in it |
| 02:37.03 | Infoport | Qtopia used to do DNS/networking ok, but QTextended seems to need more help |
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| 02:40.06 | Infoport | lpotter, are you here? |
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| 02:50.31 | Infoport | grrr...the 2008.8 instructions don't work with Qtopia/QTextended |
| 02:53.16 | Infoport | anybody flashed with QTextended and had to fix networking to reach websites? |
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| 02:58.05 | w0 | Infoport: works fine for me with the USB connection |
| 02:58.19 | w0 | Infoport: I haven't tested over wifi or gprs |
| 02:58.52 | w0 | just have to scp /etc/resolv.conf root@freerunner:/etc/resolv.conf ;) |
| 03:00.44 | slaxxin | mine wouldnt hook up |
| 03:01.32 | Infoport | w0 resolv.conf isn't replaced each time by the /etc/resolvconf/ system? |
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| 03:01.42 | Infoport | w0 like in 2008.8? |
| 03:01.47 | slaxxin | but users goodies will improve greatly |
| 03:01.54 | slaxxin | it will |
| 03:02.28 | slaxxin | i thought qtx was beautiful |
| 03:02.59 | slaxxin | i want it back |
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| 03:04.26 | sicu | just add the resolv.conf stuff to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:05.09 | sicu | heh, that was well said :S ... time to go to bed |
| 03:05.50 | slaxxin | i bork my freerunner every time i try that /network/interfaces stuff off the wiki but i can iptables just fine |
| 03:06.01 | Infoport | sicu you mean to echo into resolv.conf the nameserver part? |
| 03:06.43 | sicu | Infoport: yes, that's what my dozing brain was trying to say ;] |
| 03:08.12 | Infoport | slaxxin I setup the iptables stuff before on my desktop (and with 2008.8) but QTextended must be missing the forwarding |
| 03:08.43 | Infoport | slaxxin are you using the /etc/network/freerunner script, or the smaller solution? |
| 03:08.56 | slaxxin | he smaller solution? |
| 03:08.59 | sicu | slaxxin: where in the wiki are you getting this? uri? |
| 03:09.00 | slaxxin | yup |
| 03:10.14 | Infoport | slaxxin the smaller part for .../interfaces, or the .../freerunner script version? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others |
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| 03:10.39 | slaxxin | can u not just add your ip to /etc/resolv.conf in qtx? |
| 03:10.52 | slaxxin | a public ip |
| 03:11.32 | Infoport | slaxxin not sure, I was thinking it was using resolvconf like 2008.8 does (and replacing resolv.conf each boot) |
| 03:11.43 | slaxxin | ok |
| 03:12.09 | slaxxin | i borked every attempt at that |
| 03:13.17 | slaxxin | i only use iptables simple solution |
| 03:13.53 | Infoport | slaxxin so are you using the 9-line /etc/network/interfaces iptables solution, like here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others |
| 03:14.58 | slaxxin | #iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 03:14.58 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.58 | slaxxin | #sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 03:14.58 | slaxxin | #ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 03:16.23 | Infoport | slaxxin hmm, a little different than the wiki page I had. I'm rebooting with that one now. |
| 03:16.38 | slaxxin | then as a normal user i sshto the freerunner |
| 03:17.10 | slaxxin | wiki does suck sometimes |
| 03:18.03 | slaxxin | as soon as something changes the wiki needs to be ammended instead of erased |
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| 03:18.18 | slaxxin | i use slack though |
| 03:18.30 | Infoport | ggrrrr...now I can't ping by number again, maybe I need to add back gateway ip |
| 03:19.01 | slaxxin | did u edit /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 03:19.23 | slaxxin | oo |
| 03:19.39 | slaxxin | u need a dns ip? |
| 03:19.41 | Infoport | slaxxin no I was trying the iptables stuff in interfaces |
| 03:20.03 | slaxxin | well i just run that as root then ssh in |
| 03:20.12 | Infoport | slaxxin my desktop should be forwarding with masquerading |
| 03:20.46 | slaxxin | i dont put that in /network/interfaces because as i said above |
| 03:21.07 | slaxxin | did u set the kernel to do it/ |
| 03:21.16 | Infoport | slaxxin you have the iptables stuff in resolv.conf? |
| 03:21.23 | slaxxin | no |
| 03:21.47 | slaxxin | as i said i run that as root from the desktop terminal |
| 03:22.33 | slaxxin | i have a public ip address in there |
| 03:23.36 | Infoport | doh!, I put that in the wrong interfaces file. It is still in the host though, so something is missing on FR |
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| 03:24.10 | slaxxin | vi /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:25.10 | slaxxin | add the ip addersses thats in your desktops /etc/resolv.conf to the freerunners /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:25.54 | slaxxin | i just use 1 but your desktop may have multiple ips |
| 03:26.40 | slaxxin | u got ubuntu or something? |
| 03:27.09 | Infoport | slaxxin ok I am putting public DNS entries into resolv.conf (yes I am running Ubuntu on this desktop) |
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| 03:29.28 | slaxxin | im sorry |
| 03:29.46 | slaxxin | if i messed up your ubuntu |
| 03:30.03 | slaxxin | u like vi? |
| 03:30.17 | slaxxin | if u dont install nano |
| 03:30.27 | sicu | This works for me: http://pastebin.com/m3bdfbb47 |
| 03:30.29 | Infoport | it was ALL working before, and the only change was reflashing QTextended. I think my Ubuntu is still fine-- just the FR having issues |
| 03:30.52 | sicu | and you only have to do it the first time ... after that all you have to do is ssh in |
| 03:31.21 | slaxxin | ok i give it a try |
| 03:31.24 | Infoport | yes I use vi most of the time (except sometimes with large scripts on desktop I use Kate or KWrite or something with syntax highlighting) |
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| 03:34.37 | sicu | i've also done the ssh stuff (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#SSH_Keys) so all i do when i plug the usb cable is: ssh fr |
| 03:34.48 | sicu | and i'm in ... short and easy =] |
| 03:35.10 | Infoport | sicu wow, now mine works fine! I have basically the exact same as you, but for some reason it wasn't restarting when I chose "Restart QTextended" |
| 03:35.24 | sicu | ^^ |
| 03:35.37 | sicu | that's good =] |
| 03:36.11 | Infoport | sicu except that you seem to have the same nameserver twice-- my 2nd entry is up echo nameserver 208.67.220.220 > resolv.conf |
| 03:36.14 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rceb446c706a2 10/conf/example/frameworkd.conf: opimd: update example frameworkd.conf |
| 03:36.31 | sicu | sometimes the usb connection will bork, so all you have to do is: ifdown usb0 && ifup usb0 |
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| 03:36.38 | Infoport | (and somehow I made a typo at first when I typed it right into resolv.conf, oops) |
| 03:36.53 | sicu | Infoport: ah, i do have 220 on the second one ... just a copy&paste error :p |
| 03:38.37 | Infoport | sicu and the 2nd entry should have >> |
| 03:39.08 | Infoport | sicu I guess that QTextended is NOT using resolvconf (which dynamically populates resolv.conf) |
| 03:39.11 | sicu | yes ... sorry for pasting the wrong line |
| 03:39.56 | sicu | sorry, dunno what QTX does as i'm not using it |
| 03:40.04 | Infoport | sicu well, thanks for pasting so many of the right lines! between yours and slaxxin, I figured out where mine was missing in QTe (and my typos) |
| 03:40.29 | slaxxin | well im not a lot of help |
| 03:40.40 | Infoport | sicu are you using 2008.8? |
| 03:40.44 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.18 | Infoport | slaxxin part of it was my confusing which /etc/network/interfaces to be changing |
| 03:41.35 | slaxxin | sicu could u repost that /network/interfaces once more? |
| 03:41.40 | sicu | i was using 2007.2 (and had used it as my main phone for a couple of months), but now i'm helping out bug-testing for SHR |
| 03:41.56 | Infoport | slaxxin even though I have mixed that up before, and fixed it...I should know by know |
| 03:42.37 | Infoport | sicu I really liked 2007.2, but then I borked something with multi-boots, and had to reinstall, and can't get all the update/upgrades back |
| 03:43.10 | Infoport | Qtopia puts stuff in other partitions than where you tell it :-( |
| 03:43.13 | slaxxin | arnt there files laying around for 2007? |
| 03:43.19 | sicu | slaxxin: http://pastebin.com/m4bea9ed1 |
| 03:43.26 | slaxxin | thanks |
| 03:43.35 | sicu | np |
| 03:45.01 | Infoport | slaxxin you can get the latest *flash* image, but there were upgrades for months past that which are no longer on feed |
| 03:45.39 | sicu | i used to add the nameservers directly to resolv.conf until i realized that it was reset every time i rebooted |
| 03:45.54 | sicu | had me confused for a while :p |
| 03:46.26 | sicu | i'm not used to linux ... only just started using it when i got my FR |
| 03:47.19 | sicu | good thing buying something that forces you to learn =] |
| 03:47.21 | Infoport | sicu to be fair, all of the distros I use/play with "just work", and it has been a long while since I had to manually configure networking (except on FR) |
| 03:47.52 | Infoport | sicu plus 2007.2 didnt reset resolv.conf each time |
| 03:48.12 | slaxxin | fdom does:) |
| 03:48.26 | sicu | yeh .. that's what confused me once i switched |
| 03:49.36 | Infoport | slaxxin, sicu yeah 2008.8 and FDOM both reset it, and there *used* to be another solution with /etc/resolvconf/... on the wiki, but it was erased (and the newer one now in place) |
| 03:51.17 | slaxxin | well maybe that was my problem then |
| 03:51.42 | slaxxin | i saw the slackware section L:) |
| 03:52.51 | slaxxin | which version leaves those intact? |
| 03:53.05 | slaxxin | i know 1 did |
| 03:53.46 | sicu | hmmm, the slackware section is completely different to all the other ones |
| 03:54.19 | slaxxin | we are a little different |
| 03:54.25 | sicu | nice script though |
| 03:54.48 | slaxxin | our dictator is ...... great |
| 03:54.53 | sicu | haha |
| 03:55.01 | slaxxin | no slippage |
| 03:55.18 | slaxxin | KISS |
| 03:55.47 | sicu | =] |
| 03:55.49 | slaxxin | even a cave man like me can doit |
| 03:56.09 | phobie | several people asked for a numptyphysics debian package... |
| 03:56.09 | sicu | anyways ... it's 6am, so time to hit the sack |
| 03:56.18 | phobie | I build a stable one |
| 03:56.36 | phobie | http://debian.zaubberer.net/repos/sid/numptyphysics/ |
| 03:56.38 | slaxxin | debian is going to be very very good an |
| 03:56.45 | phobie | https://launchpad.net/~phobie/+archive |
| 03:56.47 | slaxxin | yay |
| 03:56.52 | slaxxin | thanks man |
| 03:56.54 | phobie | the second is for ubuntu |
| 03:57.35 | phobie | based on a package by Andreas Jonsson https://launchpad.net/~sonofjon/+archive |
| 03:57.46 | slaxxin | no bullshit right? |
| 03:58.11 | slaxxin | ok |
| 03:59.15 | slaxxin | how about a battery meter an a simpler menu in debian |
| 03:59.37 | slaxxin | i guess im using xfce |
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| 04:03.57 | Infoport | well I searched the archived notes, and apparently that revision is GONE, including where I added a link to the list email archive of the other solution. basically you added something in /etc/resolvconf/something and it was added dynamically each time. I guess the echo lines in interfaces work as well |
| 04:08.04 | Dave | Infoport! |
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| 04:11.12 | Infoport | Dave! |
| 04:11.39 | Dave | :D |
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| 04:19.11 | Infoport | oooh, I think I need to install SHR now that prebuilt images are available (at least as a 3rd boot) |
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| 04:27.48 | cjb | b |
| 04:27.50 | cjb | oops |
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| 04:28.51 | slaxxin | getahacken |
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| 04:32.44 | slaxxin | pingus on 2008.9 |
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| 04:40.27 | slaxxin | and it works!!! |
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| 04:41.22 | slaxxin | this will be an intresting week |
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| 04:44.12 | weirdedout | cool slaxxin, I love that game. Can't wait to show it to my kids on the FR. |
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| 05:00.58 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r7799f31f8a1f 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): |
| 05:00.58 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Compute the rootdir in config module |
| 05:00.58 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: This is because otherwise many subsystems have to reinvent a way to get the data directories. |
| 05:00.58 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: With this patch, they can all use directories : "%s/%s" % (rootdir, subsystem_name) |
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| 05:24.09 | Infoport | hm. the SHR build from the 18th gives me a kernel image error upon reboot. |
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| 05:27.49 | sicu | where'd you find images from the 18th ? |
| 05:28.06 | sicu | latest is 17th from what i see .... |
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| 05:44.57 | Infoport | sicu maybe I remember incorrectly...yes you are right, its the 17th |
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| 05:45.45 | Infoport | sicu I kept getting enlightenment segv errors, and then a wrong kernel image error on reboot |
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| 05:49.47 | Infoport | sicu did you copy a kernel image over for SHR? It looks like the rootfs already has a kernel image |
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| 05:55.03 | Infoport | seems like that kernel inside SHR rootfs is different from r9 or r7 kernels |
| 05:56.47 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 05:59.18 | Infoport | good morning! |
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| 06:02.51 | Infoport | sicu now I see what happened...the included kernel doesn't have the right name. It has a link to it just called "uImage" and then I removed mine with the .bin |
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| 06:10.16 | Infoport | ok, my NOR & NAND use "uImage.bin" by default, so I guess I need to change that link in SHR image |
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| 06:14.41 | sicu | Infoport: sorry, was away for a bit ... did you get it working ? |
| 06:14.41 | Dave | :P |
| 06:14.46 | Dave | SICU |
| 06:14.46 | sicu | DAVE! |
| 06:14.49 | sicu | haha |
| 06:14.54 | Dave | Reveal to us you mighty SHR sekretz! |
| 06:15.13 | sicu | reveals a bug or two |
| 06:15.47 | Infoport | sicu I figured out some issues...there is a kernel image already in SHR rootfs, with a link named uImage, but it should be uImage.bin |
| 06:16.24 | Dave | :D |
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| 06:17.51 | sicu | Infoport: hmmm, the ones i got worked fine ... good thing you got it sorted though =] |
| 06:19.18 | Infoport | sicu did you look in the /boot/ dir? after I copied the separate uImage-2.6.24+r9.... to uImage.bin, it was using that one, and not the other at all. The other was just sitting there |
| 06:20.00 | Infoport | sicu my boot problem was from removing the separate one, b/c the link wasn't named right to point to the one already in rootfs |
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| 06:23.54 | Infoport | sicu SHR now booting, but still regular SEGV errors |
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| 06:26.12 | sicu | hmmm, something's amiss |
| 06:26.55 | sicu | will have to check things out later though ... gotta get to work now |
| 06:28.40 | sicu | sigh, yet another night without sleep ... |
| 06:28.51 | sicu | predicts a less productive day at work |
| 06:29.10 | sicu | bb |
| 06:29.34 | Infoport | syl |
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| 06:32.29 | ieatlint | sleep is for the week |
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| 06:33.37 | methril | G'morning |
| 06:33.49 | Dave | heh |
| 06:33.59 | Dave | aye aye lints |
| 06:34.13 | ieatlint | hey dave |
| 06:34.48 | Infoport | ieatlint but it is the week now! |
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| 06:35.07 | ieatlint | then it's probably time for sleep |
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| 06:39.03 | Infoport | ieatlint that's what SHR seems to think...get dim, sleep and crash |
| 06:39.38 | ieatlint | there a new image of shr out then? |
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| 06:40.33 | ieatlint | october 17th... probably isn't too exciting |
| 06:40.42 | Infoport | ieatlint newer than I had, but then I was visiting relatives with nothing but satellite DSL until last week |
| 06:41.12 | ieatlint | lol |
| 06:41.32 | ieatlint | throughput doesn't make up for latency, eh? |
| 06:42.29 | Infoport | my grandmother used to have cable modem, so she isn't too happy with it. plus I had to download her WinXP updates after 2am b/c of a 200MB/day limit |
| 06:42.31 | ieatlint | i spent 2 weeks in october of last year in the middle of nowhere in upstate NY... only way to get online was tethering my phone to my laptop for gprs |
| 06:43.24 | ieatlint | 200mb/day... wow, that's sad |
| 06:44.11 | methril | GPSR is slow, isn't it? |
| 06:44.17 | methril | you did GPRS with FR? |
| 06:44.24 | Infoport | yup, with an amnesty 2-5am their time. the highest "Elite" plan got 500MB/day, and the DSL was slow too |
| 06:44.47 | ieatlint | no, this was before the FR... was a nokia n80 |
| 06:44.55 | ieatlint | gprs because there was no edge in the area |
| 06:45.21 | methril | i tested some HSDPA in europe and is not bad |
| 06:45.52 | ieatlint | yeah, i was on hspda with the n80 while in europe in 2006.... put us to shame in the states |
| 06:46.08 | ieatlint | my provider JUST turned on hspda (tmobile) |
| 06:47.00 | ieatlint | but i believe the first phone they're releasing that supports it is the android phone this wednesday (and they have their own unique 3g bands, so no unbranded phones [yet, anyway]) |
| 06:47.20 | ieatlint | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.30 | methril | yes, same here |
| 06:47.59 | methril | some plans give you 1gb/mo and then it gives you GPRS like access (in matter of speed) |
| 06:48.16 | ieatlint | yep... they could've at least made it edge |
| 06:48.40 | ieatlint | edge is passable in my opinion... |
| 06:49.15 | methril | yes, but only for e-mail or tiny web-brosing :) |
| 06:49.32 | methril | if you see some images, it seems sloooow |
| 06:49.42 | ieatlint | oh, and 1gb is a joke of a cap... will make the youtube access so fantastic |
| 06:49.51 | Infoport | yeah I had to download XP SP3 at 577mb after 2am-- my grandmother asked why she doesnt get bandwidth since it costs more than cable modem (didnt have a good answer) |
| 06:49.54 | methril | hehehe |
| 06:50.22 | methril | it only gives you a "second line" access to connect ""almost" everywhere |
| 06:50.27 | ieatlint | because the infrastructure to launch a satellite into space is slightly more than running cables to your house :) |
| 06:50.56 | ieatlint | see if you can get her dual isdn? :P |
| 06:52.51 | Infoport | she moved to a house next to my dad in the country, and can't get cable either. now he is sharing her DSL. she mostly does mail, but photos etc too, might watch videos from web pages, 2 grandsons who bring their own laptops, etc |
| 06:53.36 | Infoport | plus Firefox 3.0 screwed up Java and she cant do online crosswords :-( |
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| 06:54.52 | Infoport | if she exceeds the 200MB, they throttle it back below dialup for 24hrs |
| 06:55.50 | Infoport | funny I think the neighbors would ALL buy cable/cable modem if they could |
| 06:56.07 | ieatlint | where is this? |
| 06:56.18 | ieatlint | some state no one cares about like nebraska? |
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| 06:58.48 | Infoport | mid-louisiana. mostly country folks between them and the little town 6 miles away, but near them are several well-off retired families. Their closest neighbors are the Kleinpeters of Kleinpeter milk |
| 06:59.23 | Infoport | those I guess FEMA shows that ppl dont care much about Louisiana |
| 06:59.34 | Infoport | s/those/though/ |
| 07:00.08 | ieatlint | that depends if they're black or not |
| 07:00.25 | ieatlint | and there's no kleinpeter milk out here in california |
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| 07:01.21 | Infoport | ieatlint I'm in NC now...they have it here some places. they don't use BGH on the cows :-) |
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| 07:02.06 | raster | groans |
| 07:02.30 | ieatlint | yeah, every market out here has milk and "organic" milk (i still personally contend all food is organic by definition) that doesn't contain BGH |
| 07:02.58 | Infoport | heck my dad's house is a house, but one nearby neighbor has an ex-plantation with a tennis court, you'd think they would run cable from the town out to him |
| 07:03.36 | ieatlint | he could pay for fibre to be run, but it wouldn't be cheap |
| 07:03.39 | Infoport | ieatlint oh there are other organic milks out here, Kleinpeter's is just more of a grocery-store brand name |
| 07:04.30 | Infoport | ieatlint my father used to program on mainframes, then decided he didnt "need so much technology", so now he just shares it with my grandmother *grin* (who got cable modem years ago) |
| 07:05.43 | Infoport | I'm not sure about the neighbor with the plantation house...I think he has satellite TV, but he is way too "conservative" for us to pal with |
| 07:06.06 | ieatlint | hah |
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| 07:07.02 | Infoport | my family had Quaker retreat, and he wanted their subversive activities investigated :D |
| 07:08.25 | ieatlint | lol |
| 07:08.26 | Infoport | hell my advocacy of OSS probably ranks me as a Communist |
| 07:08.29 | ieatlint | damn immoral quakers |
| 07:09.05 | raster | damn feral communist OSS hippies |
| 07:09.26 | ieatlint | i could see why a southern plantation owner would take issue with quakers, however :P |
| 07:09.44 | doc|home | OSS isn't communist, it's free choice to use whatever you like. If it was communist you'd only get OSS. |
| 07:10.05 | doc|home | so, yeah, unless you're stallman, it's practically libertarian! :) |
| 07:10.26 | ieatlint | don't call it libertarian or i'll have issue with using it |
| 07:10.28 | raster | damn feral communist OSS hippies |
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| 07:10.33 | raster | repeats :) |
| 07:10.39 | Infoport | ieatlint we're not helping *his* slaves escape. I think he has to impress poor _white_ people these days (probably all of his years actually) |
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| 07:10.43 | doc|home | ieatlint: that's what it is |
| 07:11.07 | raster | feckin politics |
| 07:11.10 | ieatlint | libertarian generally idealises a free market |
| 07:11.11 | Tm_T | ... |
| 07:11.21 | Tm_T | kids, this is openmoko channel |
| 07:11.25 | ieatlint | socialist is the best term :P |
| 07:11.25 | raster | what happened to good old fashioned "write some code damnit!" |
| 07:11.37 | doc|home | ieatlint: erm, the two are opposites |
| 07:11.43 | doc|home | come on, you know this |
| 07:11.52 | ieatlint | it's given for free... if you don't like it, you can go out and buy proprietary software |
| 07:12.02 | raster | whoever politicizes software needs a good fixin' with a 2x4 :) |
| 07:12.26 | doc|home | raster: it's libertarian to defend yourself against violence too, can't do that under communism :) |
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| 07:12.41 | Infoport | sorry, somehow bandwidth turned to religion. I feel more spiritual about my cyber-political beliefs, so it guess slipped over |
| 07:12.52 | raster | brandishes his 2x4 |
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| 07:13.07 | raster | code damnit! |
| 07:13.33 | ieatlint | directs raster and his 2x4 to diebold |
| 07:13.50 | ieatlint | they make their money on software and politics, have at 'em |
| 07:14.07 | Infoport | ooooh...I just found my bag o'cables, with my GPS antenna and USB adapters |
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| 07:15.03 | swc|666 | commies? who/where ;>0 |
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| 07:15.14 | raster | reds under your bed |
| 07:15.31 | Infoport | my(impossible?) dream is to run my vehicle diagnostic software via WINE and adapt mini-USB to USB to serial |
| 07:15.32 | raster | ponder the unhapiness of having to escape crap |
| 07:16.04 | raster | Infoport: not a problem... if u use somethnig like qemu on the fr to emu an x86 box... |
| 07:16.12 | lindi- | you dream is to run proprietary software? |
| 07:16.21 | raster | in whihc case u could install linux on the qemu vm and use wine |
| 07:16.33 | raster | it'll be wonderfulyl slow too |
| 07:16.47 | leinir | raster: So the experience will be almost like running it under windows ;) |
| 07:16.51 | raster | as such - thats the only way u'll ever run windows apps on a freeruner |
| 07:16.52 | raster | ie |
| 07:16.55 | raster | cpu emulation |
| 07:17.01 | raster | leinir: heheheh |
| 07:17.04 | joerg_42 | lol |
| 07:17.05 | Infoport | lindi- I already own the proprietary software, which frees me from the dealership choosing options in my ECU |
| 07:19.06 | Infoport | lindi- I'd like them to make a Linux version, but seems unlikely. I can install as I wish, and run with the dongle-cable, and no OSS equiv is out there |
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| 07:20.21 | Infoport | I just want to do *everything* with my FR |
| 07:20.56 | swc|666 | ewww |
| 07:21.27 | raster | Infoport: as i said |
| 07:21.31 | raster | u'll need qemu |
| 07:21.33 | swc|666 | get the lube |
| 07:21.34 | Infoport | swc|666 now now...the screen is way too tiny for perving the internet |
| 07:21.40 | swc|666 | :D |
| 07:21.41 | raster | and emulate x86 on an embeded arm system, |
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| 07:23.14 | DocsSrutinizer2 | muahaha |
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| 07:23.52 | Infoport | raster when you put it that way... We have bullied them into recognizing Linux on their helps pages though, b/c the software "just works" under WIHNE |
| 07:23.52 | doc|home | eyes DocsSrutinizer2 |
| 07:24.02 | doc|home | prepares rifle |
| 07:24.10 | DocsSrutinizer2 | 486 15MHz |
| 07:25.08 | Infoport | DocsSrutinizer2 surely thats not the equiv for our ARM 400Mhz? |
| 07:25.43 | DocsSrutinizer2 | with qemu i'd say yes |
| 07:26.24 | ieatlint | i dislike driving.. it really cuts into my ability to freely drink :( |
| 07:26.43 | cjb_ie | eat more lint for soakage |
| 07:26.49 | Infoport | I guess there would need to be software that could combine the functionality of qemu and WINE together to reduce the effort. maybe it is no hope, but my laptop at 700Mhz is more than enough |
| 07:27.43 | pb_ | heh, I guess the combination of qemu+linux+wine is just to run windows directly under qemu. |
| 07:28.17 | pb_ | you will still struggle to get an acceptable level of performance though, I fear |
| 07:28.47 | pb_ | qemu is the source of the major slowness, and that is fairly hard to improve. |
| 07:30.05 | DocsSrutinizer2 | i stil think you'll get performance of 486/15 with qemu on a 400 ARM |
| 07:30.13 | pb_ | yeah, that sounds about right to me |
| 07:30.41 | Infoport | *sigh* maybe they were right, I just need an Asus eeePC |
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| 07:31.51 | Infoport | I wonder if the new HP Touch will be very Linux-compatible? they are wooing me with the Joan Jett tune |
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| 07:34.28 | Infoport | a touchscreen tablet definitely would fill the gap between clunky desktop and handheld pda/phone :D |
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| 07:35.36 | Infoport | grr...SHR give SEGV faults without running apps even, guess I'll reboot to QTex or ASU |
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| 07:36.19 | Infoport | well, I'm off for a snack, and then dream of touchscreen tablets! |
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| 07:56.54 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r44be1f273da2 10/ (12 files in 2 dirs): |
| 07:56.54 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: opimd: Created 'Backend' and 'Domain' classes |
| 07:56.54 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: It has to be done because we don't want to register the backends and the domains at import time. |
| 07:56.54 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: So instead we register only the classes at import time using the metaclasses, and then we can register all the |
| 07:56.56 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: domains and the backends. |
| 07:56.58 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: I also renamed the modules to remove the '-' characters, cause we have to import the modules manually. |
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| 08:06.49 | Kronk | Can anyone recommend a decent uImage and jffs for 2007.2 ? |
| 08:07.04 | Kronk | gta01 |
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| 08:10.25 | Shlee | QT 4.3 |
| 08:10.48 | Kronk | lol |
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| 08:11.02 | Kronk | QT 4.3 more stable that 4.4 ? |
| 08:11.10 | Kronk | I'm playing particuarly with 2007.2 ;) |
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| 08:11.52 | paulproteus | Shlee, I'm trying to decide between Qt 4.3.3 and Qt Extended 4.4. |
| 08:11.57 | paulproteus | Do you have a suggestion either way? |
| 08:12.48 | Shlee | 4.3 is stable. 4.4 is unstable :) |
| 08:13.27 | Kronk | Haven't loaded 4.3 to my GTA02 yet might give it a bash :) |
| 08:13.38 | paulproteus | Shlee, And you're using the latest mwester kernel on the Qtopia download page? |
| 08:14.30 | Shlee | Yes, with the modules. |
| 08:14.45 | Kronk | Has anyone had any luck getting gprs goin on QT 4.3 do you know ? |
| 08:17.34 | Tm_T | I do with Qtextended |
| 08:18.51 | Shlee | The next QT 4.4 should fix all the annoying issues, so once that's out - upgrade |
| 08:19.07 | Kronk | in 4.3 I take it Tm_T ? Is there a howto kicking around do you know. I checked the QT website and openmoko wiki but couldn't seem to find anything ? |
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| 08:21.11 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03tick * r4725 10/developers/tick/touchtest/ (. touch_test.py): |
| 08:21.11 | CIA-49 | openmoko: [touchtest] Adding a tiny python efl application that |
| 08:21.12 | CIA-49 | openmoko: allow users to observe the event's of touch screen. |
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| 08:23.24 | Tm_T | Kronk: no, 4.4.2 (/.1) |
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| 08:23.41 | Tm_T | Shlee: says who? |
| 08:23.54 | Kronk | ta :) Tm_T |
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| 08:26.52 | Ghiottone | hi all |
| 08:27.02 | Kronk | howdy :) |
| 08:27.12 | Ghiottone | is there a package for lesstif toolkit? |
| 08:28.28 | ronny | oO people still use that ?! |
| 08:29.10 | ronny | it kinda died like 2 years ago |
| 08:31.15 | Ghiottone | any other motif compliant toolkit would do |
| 08:31.23 | Ghiottone | I'm looking to compile ddd |
| 08:32.04 | ronny | oh, i dont think there is any sane way to use it on the phone anyway |
| 08:32.55 | Ghiottone | it's for the host |
| 08:33.13 | Ghiottone | I managed to connect it to qemu's gdb interface |
| 08:33.48 | Ghiottone | and I think it could connect to a gdb server running on the Neo |
| 08:34.04 | ronny | what os is on the host? virtually all linux distros should have binary packages of ddd |
| 08:34.27 | ronny | i sugest to take a look into nemiver tho |
| 08:34.43 | Ghiottone | ronny, ddd needs recompiling becase you have to specify the arm for target |
| 08:34.49 | Ghiottone | ronny, nemiver? |
| 08:35.13 | ronny | another debugger, i dotn know how good it works for cross-targets tho |
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| 08:37.22 | Ghiottone | ronny, oh I see. I'll have a look at it then. thanks |
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| 08:51.18 | pooze | what's the devicename for the nand disk? |
| 08:51.37 | pooze | I've booted on microSD, and would like to access some files on the nand disk, but can't seem to find the device-name. |
| 08:52.42 | mjr | /dev/mtd* |
| 08:54.35 | pooze | hmm... shouldn't the correct mtd device contain a valid pratition-table? |
| 08:54.42 | mjr | nnnno |
| 08:54.51 | pooze | howcome? |
| 08:55.20 | pooze | it's just a raw filesystem on the entire device? |
| 08:56.23 | mjr | well there are partitions, but it's not a "normal" block device and not handled as such |
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| 08:57.33 | pooze | which in turn means that fdisk -l on that device wouldn't work? |
| 08:57.49 | pooze | (as I see it doesn't here) |
| 08:57.50 | mjr | no, it wouldn't |
| 08:59.43 | pooze | hmm... how would you suggest finding the correct device then? trying to mount all of them until you get a successfull mount? |
| 08:59.47 | Tm_T | huggles mjr |
| 08:59.55 | pooze | I tried looking through dmesg | less as well, but didn't find a clue there. |
| 09:01.16 | mjr | I don't recall the canonical way to do that (or the canonical partition numbers), trying an ro mount seems okay to me... |
| 09:02.21 | pb__ | what does /proc/mtd say? |
| 09:02.36 | pb__ | you should be able to identify the correct partition by its name, something like "rootfs". |
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| 09:08.33 | pooze | pb_: mtd (without any number) doesn't exist. |
| 09:08.52 | pooze | pb_: rootfs is linked to my microsd-card as I've booted from it. |
| 09:08.58 | pb__ | pooze: in /proc, right? |
| 09:09.01 | pb__ | not /dev or any other place |
| 09:11.05 | pooze | pb_: ah, /proc/mtd says mtd6 is my rootfs |
| 09:11.13 | pooze | is that the nand disk? |
| 09:11.29 | pb__ | yeah, it should be. |
| 09:11.33 | pooze | mounting it doesn't work ( mount -t jffs2 -o ro /dev/mtd6 /mnt/net ) |
| 09:11.37 | pb__ | /dev/mtdblock6 is actually the name of the device you need to use |
| 09:11.44 | pooze | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mtd6, |
| 09:11.51 | pb__ | mtd6 is a different way of mapping it which won't work for mounting |
| 09:12.39 | pooze | pb_: ah.. that worked. |
| 09:12.42 | pooze | thank you |
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| 10:07.29 | ecraven | hey all ;) what's the current suggestion for a stable system for phone/sms and gps? |
| 10:08.31 | max_posedon | no one |
| 10:08.57 | max_posedon | But, you should choose FDOM. |
| 10:09.13 | prjktdtnt | ecraven: I'd say either 2008.x or FDOM seem to be the most functional although I'm really looking forward to when FSO gains a useful GUI |
| 10:09.26 | ecraven | FDOM? |
| 10:09.58 | max_posedon | Fat and Dirty Openmoko |
| 10:10.00 | mjr | is trying debian/fso at the moment again... at least I could take a phone call |
| 10:10.05 | max_posedon | check openmoko.org for links |
| 10:10.06 | mjr | (at least once ;) |
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| 10:10.59 | prjktdtnt | mjr: 2008.x works fine for me when it comes to making and receiving calls where FSO never worked properly, oh and deleting voicemail while using FSO, good luck |
| 10:11.28 | mjr | voicemail, whassat... |
| 10:12.04 | prjktdtnt | mjr: the bane of my existence recently lol |
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| 10:14.58 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r6e503946843d 10/packages/efl1/ (epdf/fix-plugin-path-check_after_r36364.patch epdf_svn.bb): [epdf] Add a new patch for epdf. |
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| 10:19.56 | dns53 | i use 2008.9 and tango gps, navit also works once configured |
| 10:21.23 | ecraven | is there a milestone iv yet? |
| 10:22.06 | dns53 | not yet, they seem to appear whenever |
| 10:22.39 | tomboy64 | is someone here familiar with qt-extended and gprs? |
| 10:22.51 | ecraven | is there a simple *working* gps tracer? tangogps tends to crash a lot, so my gps logs have gaps |
| 10:23.03 | tomboy64 | the gprs site on the wiki says the ui is crashing the phone |
| 10:23.22 | tomboy64 | but with 4.4 this seems not to be the case. still i'm not able to connect gprs-wise |
| 10:23.24 | dns53 | tango gps crashes sometimes during loading maps, for best results zoom out |
| 10:24.29 | ecraven | dns53: not a solution ;) |
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| 10:55.30 | beni_ | dont has much problems with tangogps |
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| 10:56.01 | bapt | Hi all |
| 10:56.12 | dns53 | tango gps is great but it does crash a lot which cam be bad when you are trying to contribute to openstreetmap |
| 10:56.15 | bapt | I'm the new owner of a freerunner :) |
| 10:56.28 | dns53 | great to hear |
| 10:56.33 | beni_ | dns53: i do contribute and at my phone it crashes very seldomly |
| 10:56.57 | beni_ | in fact its currently my main use of the neo |
| 10:56.59 | bapt | it's wonderful but I have a small problem with sound in the headphone |
| 10:57.33 | bapt | the sound is to low |
| 10:57.40 | bapt | (2008.9 up do date) |
| 10:57.58 | dns53 | have you tried changing the volume with alsamixer or something? |
| 10:58.02 | bapt | I can't find a way to upper it |
| 10:58.12 | bapt | I have tried with alsamixer |
| 10:58.15 | bapt | yes |
| 10:58.46 | bapt | but alsamixer but changing things in alsamixer during a phone call doesn't change anything |
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| 11:03.09 | bapt | all levels are down |
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| 11:12.11 | DocScrutinizer | bapt: use <tab> to see all controls of alsamixer |
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| 11:13.14 | DocScrutinizer | bapt: or just fix /usr/share/scenarios/gsmhandset.state |
| 11:16.29 | DocScrutinizer | bapt: if using alsamixer during call, you have to issue a "alsactl -f /usr/share/scenarios/gsmhandset.state store" anyway, otherwise changes will get lost at end of call |
| 11:16.44 | DocScrutinizer | during call that is |
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| 11:49.15 | Nobody96 | moin |
| 11:50.10 | Zorkman_ | moin |
| 11:50.44 | Zorkman_ | anybody know if suspend-resume works fine on Qt extended? does it corrupt the sd card? |
| 11:55.04 | dns53 | it has not corrupted mine yet but that's only with limited testing |
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| 11:57.00 | Shlee | QTextended 4.4 has alot of problems.. the sd corruption issue doesn't seem have happen as the release doesn't use the card much. |
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| 11:57.42 | Zorkman_ | thanks for the info |
| 11:57.53 | Zorkman_ | is there a list with known bugs of qt extended? |
| 11:58.06 | Shlee | the major problem is the sms cloning issue, the fact something with a 128MB flash and external memory can have a "sms full" limit is stupid |
| 11:58.19 | Zorkman_ | true... |
| 11:58.44 | Zorkman_ | what about stability? i mean sending and recieving messages or calls withouth problems |
| 11:58.46 | Shlee | the new image has the timezone issue fixed but I sometimes lose the clock |
| 11:59.08 | Shlee | It sleeps/wakes on call/sms.. the battery life is less than the 4.3 release |
| 11:59.36 | Zorkman_ | i see |
| 12:00.05 | Shlee | Stability... the gui has crashed afew times but the phone is stable enough |
| 12:00.15 | Shlee | like.. the Qtopia releases are impressive |
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| 12:00.39 | ecraven | has anyone tried uArch on the freerunner? |
| 12:00.59 | Shlee | Everything looks nice, it's responsive and feature filled |
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| 12:03.49 | Soulnoob | Where can I configure which application categories to display as icons? |
| 12:06.00 | gromez | Soulnoob: /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu something like that |
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| 12:06.52 | Soulnoob | Great :) Thank you! |
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| 12:16.44 | bapt | DocScrutinizer: ok thanks I'll try |
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| 12:20.29 | bapt | still too low and the headphone is 100 |
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| 12:37.18 | DocScrutinizer | bapt: please see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_audio_subsystem and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-October/000703.html |
| 12:38.23 | bapt | DocScrutinizer: ok |
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| 12:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | bapt: nota bene: the red path for mic-to-modem isn't actually correct as we don't use PGA/ALC and go direct from mic-amp via micmux to monomixer. Still there are quite a couple of level settings involved for both mic and handset-speaker path. Not easy to spot the right ones in alsamixer |
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| 12:47.02 | bapt | DocScrutinizer: ouh quite complicated for me :) |
| 12:47.20 | bapt | I'll have a look a that later |
| 12:47.26 | bapt | (I have some work now) |
| 12:47.43 | bapt | thanks for the links, I will study that |
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| 13:38.08 | Kred | Does the internal memory die off after certain reads/writes? |
| 13:38.13 | Kred | I mean, after certain amount |
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| 13:42.25 | pb__ | the flash, you mean? |
| 13:42.57 | Kred | Yes |
| 13:43.10 | mjr | Yes, and "certain" is "high enough if you don't just dick around with it for fun" |
| 13:43.13 | pb__ | reads don't affect it, but all flash has a finite life in terms of write cycles. |
| 13:43.33 | mjr | and "dick around" is "just see how far it can really go" |
| 13:43.45 | Kred | :) |
| 13:44.02 | Kred | Good to know, thank you both |
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| 13:46.41 | ulf | who can i see if i have Om 2008.8 or Om 2008.9 |
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| 14:08.15 | jadams__ | holy crap my scap is gone |
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| 14:09.42 | Dave | jadams! |
| 14:09.51 | Dave | Yeah, scap reset recently... a pity, right? :[ |
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| 14:12.44 | Andu1 | hi@everyone. |
| 14:13.12 | Andu1 | i try using the qemu to see, if the neo fits for me, but Im having problems with it. |
| 14:13.28 | Andu1 | anyone using it, proberly an can send me a working env fil? |
| 14:14.13 | Andu1 | argh, missing letters, making me sentences unreadable... : |
| 14:15.18 | Andu1 | I try to use qemu, but my env file ist not working, because the version installed as described in the wiki starts an OS in the Emulator, that does nothing, and an other combination only shows me the boot manager again and again |
| 14:15.28 | Andu1 | thanks, If anyone has an idea |
| 14:17.22 | Dave | :x |
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| 14:27.20 | Andu1 | mh, it doesn't seems to be really active here :D had to leave now. if anyone feels responsible for helping me: witzbringer@gmx.de :D I try to read it and now istall the prebuild binaries for vista ... |
| 14:27.24 | Andu1 | thanks! |
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| 14:31.26 | mwester | re |
| 14:34.43 | Dave | Fucking freerunner... |
| 14:34.47 | Dave | Hey Mwester, how goes? |
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| 14:41.12 | mwester | It's Monday. And, on top of that, it's morning. But on the bright side, the week can only get better from here. |
| 14:44.02 | CM_work | :) |
| 14:44.55 | mwester | hehehe! http://www.dilbert.com/fast/ |
| 14:45.36 | mwester | Must have been an iphone... |
| 14:46.20 | Dave | o.O |
| 14:46.39 | Dave | Mwester, depends how SHR testing goes... |
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| 14:53.01 | CIA-49 | openmoko: 03werner * r4726 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (4 files): |
| 14:53.01 | CIA-49 | openmoko: Moving towards the use of SDIO interrupts instead of polling. |
| 14:53.01 | CIA-49 | openmoko: - s3c-mmc-sdio-int.patch: Christer Weinigel's SDIO interrupt changes (doesn't |
| 14:53.01 | CIA-49 | openmoko: work yet) |
| 14:53.01 | CIA-49 | openmoko: - s3c-mmc-hdrmig-fix.patch: build fixes for recent header migration |
| 14:53.04 | CIA-49 | openmoko: - hif-linux-sdio.patch: removed bus width change, which is done in the stack |
| 14:53.06 | CIA-49 | openmoko: - series: added s3c-mmc-sdio-int.patch and s3c-mmc-hdrmig-fix.patch |
| 14:56.09 | ulf | how do i know if i have Om 2008.8 or Om 2008.9? |
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| 15:03.29 | Zorkman_ | anybody in here who knows something about the wireless? |
| 15:03.35 | Zorkman_ | iwconfig says i'm connected |
| 15:03.37 | Zorkman_ | and i did udhcpc eth0 |
| 15:03.43 | Zorkman_ | and it added dns servers |
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| 15:04.01 | Zorkman_ | but when i try to ping it takes a very long time and then i get a "bad address" |
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| 15:06.31 | Zorkman_ | anybody? |
| 15:07.59 | lindi- | Zorkman_: iki.fi/lindi/print-net-settings |
| 15:08.31 | Zorkman_ | on the FR? |
| 15:09.03 | lindi- | Zorkman_: on all affected systems |
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| 15:11.23 | Cervajz | Hello everyone |
| 15:13.00 | Cervajz | Please help me with installing Pidign :'( I have new system (now flashed), but when I try install pidgin (opkg install pidgin), it returns an error: "An error ocurred, return value: 2." Do you know, what it means? |
| 15:13.10 | Cervajz | Pidgin* |
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| 15:16.52 | Dave | Hello lindi |
| 15:19.20 | Cervajz | Anyone, please? |
| 15:20.44 | Zorkman_ | lindi-: i've ran the script on my Fr but i still have the same problem |
| 15:20.53 | Zorkman_ | a few errors are also being displayed |
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| 15:21.28 | Nobody96 | re |
| 15:21.51 | Zorkman_ | Cervajz: there is a wiki page which listst all the error codezs |
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| 15:23.01 | lindi- | Zorkman_: you run commands from internet withoutunderstanding what5hey do? ;) |
| 15:23.29 | Zorkman_ | lindi-: of course, that is not more dangerous or insecure than using the FR |
| 15:23.33 | Cervajz | Zorkman_: Thank you, I got it :) |
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| 15:26.08 | lindi- | Zorkman_: rright . i hope you cant connect it so that it cant sendspam hdere |
| 15:26.57 | lindi- | Zorkman_: seriously though, it just prints info that could help in fixing the issue |
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| 15:33.26 | Zorkman_ | lindi-: if you're interested: pastebin.com/m225882e9 |
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| 16:02.36 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r7e815f259b2f 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 16:02.36 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Change some log domains |
| 16:02.36 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) Fix segfault in idlenotifier plugin and enable it on startup again |
| 16:02.36 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 3.) plugins can now have per-device "disable" key |
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| 16:23.18 | slaxxin | can i opkg upgrade yet? |
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| 16:24.08 | mwester | consults his magic 8-ball |
| 16:24.13 | slaxxin | fdom 20080927 |
| 16:24.18 | slaxxin | :) |
| 16:24.28 | slaxxin | and? |
| 16:24.58 | mwester | 's magic 8-ball seems to have developed a crack... |
| 16:25.03 | slaxxin | no news is good news:S |
| 16:25.22 | slaxxin | nagnabbit |
| 16:25.24 | viq | "Maybe, if the wind is south-south-west, and temperature is above 10C" |
| 16:25.40 | slaxxin | better hold what ya got |
| 16:25.55 | mwester | consults his weather monitor. |
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| 16:26.20 | mwester | west-northwest here, temp is 47F (someone else can do the conversion) |
| 16:26.20 | slaxxin | damn the openmoko has weather too? |
| 16:26.47 | slaxxin | yaaaay |
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| 16:27.03 | mwester | No, but not that I think of it, if I put the bluetooth serial adaptor on the weather monitor, I bet I can get wview to work on the neo. |
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| 16:27.13 | slaxxin | i wanna know whos responcible for this |
| 16:27.13 | mwester | s/not/now/ |
| 16:27.31 | mwester | Thank you apt. |
| 16:27.46 | slaxxin | so i can slap em on the back |
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| 16:28.52 | sicu | swaps mwester's 8ball with a Sarcastic Ball |
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| 16:33.37 | mwester | slaxxin: you ask questions that presume there is some form of QA for any of the distros at this time ;) |
| 16:35.48 | mwester | To be serious, the stable feeds should be good, but there is no testing as a whole, only testing of individual parts AFAIK. (and some argue that the testing is limited to "does it build ok"). So opkg upgrade is always a risk, and the experience of "yesterday" may be different from "today"... |
| 16:36.39 | Dave | apt, skjera? |
| 16:37.24 | slaxxin | there should be a spot that tells ANYONE the CORRECT way to do what needs to be done without people havein to come in here an idle an wait for an answer when they could just almost completely help themselves |
| 16:38.05 | slaxxin | im dogging that wiki i know byt what gives |
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| 16:39.20 | slaxxin | those stickies in linus questions.org seem to work very well |
| 16:40.07 | slaxxin | without having to sift through a bunch of XXXXXXX to get to the real deal |
| 16:40.29 | slaxxin | sorry for the rant but it needed to be said |
| 16:40.44 | Dave | :O |
| 16:41.26 | sicu | :o |
| 16:41.38 | sicu | skjera? |
| 16:43.32 | mwester | slaxxin: it's a wiki -- if everyone would take a moment to edit pages to add the bits they needed, and get rid of the obsolete or clutter, it would be better. |
| 16:44.08 | Soulnoob | Good idea, I should make an account. |
| 16:45.58 | Dave | apt, hva gjør du? |
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| 16:49.45 | sicu | ~test |
| 16:49.45 | apt | Failed! |
| 16:50.35 | Zorkman_ | ~.~ |
| 16:51.12 | Zorkman_ | I boot from SD the latest FDOM with the latest daily kernel and i have no usb connection (probably that g_ether stuff), which kernel do i need to use? |
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| 17:01.23 | mattl | tcflush failed: Bad file descriptor |
| 17:01.32 | mattl | ^^ getting that when doing GPRS? |
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| 17:02.18 | Dave | :o |
| 17:02.23 | Dave | well, that's not good. |
| 17:02.48 | xhr17 | my freerunner is acting strange - it shuts down after about 10 seconds... |
| 17:03.08 | xhr17 | I have it plugged into usb. |
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| 17:03.43 | xhr17 | it will show the orange openmoko screen if i press power, but it goes away after a few seconds. |
| 17:04.37 | xhr17 | if i hold aux and press power, it shows the boot menu, i can change the option and boot different ways, but the phone shuts down before i can do anything. |
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| 17:04.45 | mattl | xhr17: sounds like the battery is low. try booting it into the menu and leaving it for a few mins |
| 17:05.17 | mattl | Dave: yeah. Using FDOM... |
| 17:05.28 | xhr17 | mattl: i try. |
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| 17:05.39 | xhr17 | but it turns off after about 10 seconds. |
| 17:06.22 | Cervajz | Hello, do anybody use Pidgin on Om2008.9? |
| 17:06.34 | mattl | Cervajz: tdobson does. |
| 17:06.41 | xhr17 | ... |
| 17:06.43 | Dave | I use it on 2007 |
| 17:06.50 | Dave | it works fine |
| 17:06.52 | xhr17 | anyone else have any ideas? |
| 17:07.00 | dos1 | i was using on 2007.2 |
| 17:07.04 | dos1 | but now it segfaults :x |
| 17:07.15 | Cervajz | dos1: Yes, exactly :( |
| 17:07.15 | dos1 | (on starting, after some upgrade) |
| 17:07.42 | Cervajz | dos1: But it works on FAD ... |
| 17:07.54 | dos1 | fad? |
| 17:08.07 | Cervajz | dos1: Fat and Dirty...etc |
| 17:08.15 | dos1 | ah, fdom ;p |
| 17:08.24 | Cervajz | dos1: I'm sorry FDOM |
| 17:08.26 | Dave | ;D |
| 17:08.32 | lindi- | illegal and ... :) |
| 17:08.47 | Dave | :D |
| 17:08.58 | Dave | yeah, that's how lindi likes it apparently :p |
| 17:09.34 | Dave | Speaking of which, any revolutions or revelations on your end Lindi? |
| 17:09.38 | Dave | I forget where you left off last. |
| 17:09.43 | Dave | Squashin' bugs all over the place. |
| 17:09.44 | Cervajz | Do you have any ideas for another IM app? |
| 17:10.54 | Dave | What, it doesn't work for you? |
| 17:11.26 | dos1 | Dave: |
| 17:11.26 | dos1 | (19:07:04) dos1: but now it segfaults :x |
| 17:11.27 | dos1 | (19:07:15) Cervajz: dos1: Yes, exactly :( |
| 17:11.53 | dos1 | Cervajz: finch is working, but it's quite unusable |
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| 17:12.27 | Dave | I didn't know he was referring to pidgin |
| 17:12.32 | Dave | heh |
| 17:12.39 | lindi- | Dave: ? |
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| 17:14.27 | Soulnoob | Have anyone found a good hard-case for the mokos? |
| 17:14.34 | tdobson | uses pidgin |
| 17:15.05 | Tm_T | Soulnoob: well I use the same case I use with iPaq |
| 17:15.16 | Tm_T | but not optimal, has some extra space left |
| 17:15.42 | sicu | puts the FR between a rock and a hard case and stomps |
| 17:15.45 | sicu | there, no more space |
| 17:16.21 | Soulnoob | eeeww. |
| 17:16.29 | Dave | haha |
| 17:16.37 | Soulnoob | I dont want to stomp, but I think I can pad it up. |
| 17:16.57 | Tm_T | I would rather use that space for a keyboard (;) |
| 17:17.29 | Soulnoob | Is it that much extra? |
| 17:17.41 | Tm_T | Soulnoob: no, so would need really small keyb |
| 17:17.56 | Tm_T | more like, half inch extra height in case |
| 17:18.44 | Soulnoob | Oh. |
| 17:18.49 | Tm_T | Krusell brand this is |
| 17:18.50 | lindi- | Tm_T: they are around 80 EUR |
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| 17:18.58 | Tm_T | lindi-: what are? |
| 17:19.01 | Soulnoob | You will have trouble typing on a keyboard that small. |
| 17:19.12 | lindi- | Tm_T: small bt keyboarsd |
| 17:19.24 | Tm_T | lindi-: well not the kind I would like to have |
| 17:19.49 | Soulnoob | >_< wait.... height is in what axis relative to the moko? |
| 17:20.07 | Tm_T | Soulnoob: width in moko axis |
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| 17:28.21 | gurugentoo | here's a small usb foldable one that I just got http://www.accstation.com/dothxxxxkb07.html?acprcnetadtf081006=dothxxxxkb07 |
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| 17:31.01 | Cervajz | Ok, thanks for help. Another question - How can I umount mmc card? 'Coz "umount /dev/mmcblk0p1" didn't works |
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| 17:32.06 | Cervajz | Cervajz: Error message is : Device or resource is busy |
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| 17:32.17 | cjb_ie | then there's something using it :) |
| 17:32.42 | Cervajz | cjb_ie: Yes, but what..? :) |
| 17:32.49 | cjb_ie | i don't know if the image you're using includes fuser or lsof, but one of those might be able to tell you |
| 17:33.28 | Cervajz | cjb_ie: I have fuser |
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| 17:34.30 | cjb_ie | fuser -c /mounteddir where /mounteddir is where the mmc is mounted |
| 17:36.05 | Cervajz | cjb_ie: -c didn't work, but -m did |
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| 17:36.47 | cjb_ie | Cervajz: glad to help :) |
| 17:36.55 | Cervajz | cjb_ie: Thank you |
| 17:36.58 | DocsSrutinizer2 | so what's been using it? indexing service? |
| 17:37.58 | Cervajz | DocScrutinizer: no, mediaserver, quicklauncher and qpe |
| 17:38.53 | DocsSrutinizer2 | mediaserver probably what I meant. Or qpe. |
| 17:39.03 | Dave | Hei Joerg :) |
| 17:39.05 | DocsSrutinizer2 | annoying |
| 17:39.16 | Cervajz | I have killed them all |
| 17:39.19 | Cervajz | :D |
| 17:39.24 | DocsSrutinizer2 | Dave: hi |
| 17:40.00 | cjb_ie | kill, kill, KILL! |
| 17:40.41 | Cervajz | Holly crap, I don't have mkfs.vfat :( |
| 17:41.05 | Dave | scary |
| 17:41.09 | Dave | What did I walk in on here? :D |
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| 17:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | fuser - |
| 17:42.59 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:43.13 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 17:44.30 | Dave | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.44 | Cervajz | Dave: :D |
| 17:45.12 | DocScrutinizer | -signal |
| 17:45.13 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.09 | Cervajz | Sh*t! Sh*t! Sh*t! I can't split my 4GB card, no way.... ! |
| 17:46.33 | DocScrutinizer | use a cutter or an axe ;-) |
| 17:47.05 | Dave | chop chop chop |
| 17:47.36 | Cervajz | DocScrutinizer: Yes, nice idea...where is my cigar lighter...? |
| 17:48.35 | xhr17 | ... |
| 17:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | cfdsk? |
| 17:49.21 | Dave | cfdisk ftw! |
| 17:49.44 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 17:49.55 | Cervajz | What filesystem do you use? |
| 17:50.00 | Dave | Joerg, can we get together and conspire to create an awesome hardware redesign/revision? |
| 17:50.37 | DocScrutinizer | lol - too late ;-) |
| 17:51.09 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: problem isn't to create but to actually get it built |
| 17:51.33 | Dave | I meant actually get something made, silly. |
| 17:52.02 | DocScrutinizer | I can't etch 8layer, I can't solder G |
| 17:52.06 | DocScrutinizer | BGA |
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| 17:52.23 | Dave | So |
| 17:52.32 | Dave | That's what Taiwan or the Chinese are for? |
| 17:52.42 | Dave | :P |
| 17:52.44 | DocScrutinizer | one of their tasks |
| 17:52.58 | Dave | or, to a lesser extent, those korean children. |
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| 18:12.13 | Ades | algun latino |
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| 18:15.23 | noaXess | hi all |
| 18:15.58 | noaXess | i have qtextended 4.4.1 installed in my neo freerunner.. now the opkg feed's points to buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 18:16.10 | noaXess | for qtextend, what feed's i need to change.. or point them to? |
| 18:16.24 | noaXess | i found this http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/027997.html |
| 18:16.33 | noaXess | but that is for om2008.. |
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| 18:21.02 | Sylar91 | hi, I'm getting some error with opkg, anybody could help me please? |
| 18:21.40 | noaXess | Sylar91: you mean the signatre failer 404? |
| 18:22.05 | Dave | Sylars! |
| 18:22.22 | Sylar91 | I get this error: parseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberparseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberparseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberparseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not number |
| 18:22.30 | Sylar91 | and it can't follow dependencies... |
| 18:22.35 | Sylar91 | so I can't install anything |
| 18:22.39 | Sylar91 | (Hi Dave) |
| 18:22.55 | dos1 | Sylar91: i have the same errors, but opkg works |
| 18:23.22 | Dave | o_O |
| 18:23.29 | Sylar91 | for me it downloads the package, but it can't follow dependencies |
| 18:23.45 | Sylar91 | I'm using the illume 12/10 os |
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| 18:25.16 | Sylar91 | no solution? :( |
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| 18:28.42 | Dave | heh |
| 18:28.46 | Dave | illume |
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| 18:34.16 | noaXess | are the openmoko feds the same as that one for qtextended.. i have qtextended 4.4.1 installed |
| 18:34.23 | noaXess | feeds ^ |
| 18:36.02 | Sylar91 | no... |
| 18:36.55 | noaXess | Sylar91: then what feed i need fpr qtextended 4.4.1? |
| 18:37.10 | Sylar91 | there are not feeds yes aviable... |
| 18:37.14 | Dave | right |
| 18:37.29 | Sylar91 | how is it possible to choose the architecture for opkg? |
| 18:37.51 | Sylar91 | news about om 2008.10? |
| 18:38.11 | noaXess | Sylar91: ok, what about this? http://www.qtopia.net/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=885&forum=16 |
| 18:38.14 | noaXess | last entry |
| 18:38.16 | Sylar91 | we are near the end of the month and no news about 2008.10??? |
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| 18:38.25 | noaXess | from qtext 4.3.3 |
| 18:38.26 | Sylar91 | now I look... thx |
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| 18:39.11 | Sylar91 | noaXess: this isn't my problem but.. thanks anyway... |
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| 18:39.34 | Sylar91 | the rasterman's new image of illume is really great! brillian! |
| 18:39.38 | Sylar91 | *brilliant |
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| 18:42.34 | Dave | Yes |
| 18:43.22 | Sylar91 | but I can't installa anything... |
| 18:43.40 | Dave | :D |
| 18:43.58 | Sylar91 | *install |
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| 18:46.16 | Sylar91 | bye |
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| 18:47.02 | techiem2-r | hrm... |
| 18:47.23 | techiem2-r | anyone know where to get the links-x11 package now that angstrom-distribution has removed it? |
| 18:49.47 | SpeedEvil | New display device we need for OM. |
| 18:49.49 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKK933KK6Gg&feature=related |
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| 18:56.35 | dolf1074 | I want a little smaller devcie :p |
| 18:56.48 | DocsSrutinizer2 | more fps |
| 18:57.40 | dolf1074 | and more colors |
| 18:57.48 | DocsSrutinizer2 | stupid as MythBusters |
| 19:01.02 | leinir | Stupid, and entertaining :) |
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| 19:02.55 | Dave | dolf. |
| 19:03.15 | dolf1074 | yeah |
| 19:05.19 | Mononoke | heh I just wonder... how it would look like if I set up instead of ringing festival to say who's calling and so |
| 19:05.32 | Mononoke | is there port of festival on openmoko ? |
| 19:05.42 | dos1 | Mononoke: use espeak or flite |
| 19:05.50 | dos1 | it works, i've tested it ;) |
| 19:06.03 | dos1 | (you can use speech-dispatcher) |
| 19:06.08 | dos1 | and fso ;D |
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| 19:07.00 | Mononoke | and can I make phonecall with it ? :) |
| 19:07.08 | Mononoke | instead of me openmoko speaking ^.^ |
| 19:07.31 | dos1 | i don't know, ask same openmoko guy ;D |
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| 19:08.02 | dos1 | but i know, that reading text is working ;) |
| 19:11.03 | DocsSrutinizer2 | Mononoke: sure you can route AD-out to gsm-modem input |
| 19:11.19 | Kagee | I can flash my Freerunner with the latest .bin and .jffs2 from here, correct? -> http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/ |
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| 19:25.40 | gmaxwell | I want the biconic antenna from this video. |
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| 19:27.32 | gmaxwell | oops, wrong channel |
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| 19:38.58 | fredrin | any great input ideas for the Neo? I would love to beable to drive a car, write sms and drink at the same time, hehehe |
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| 19:39.22 | techiem2-r | develop a psychic interface? |
| 19:41.39 | fredrin | but i could with my old nokia phone (that i reasonly lost and are forced to use my Neo as the daily phone now) |
| 19:41.39 | nyu | there's one already |
| 19:41.45 | nyu | espdiff |
| 19:41.51 | nyu | techiem2-r: ^ |
| 19:42.03 | fredrin | lol |
| 19:42.07 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 19:42.13 | nyu | its manpage is a must-read |
| 19:42.29 | fredrin | nyu: link? |
| 19:42.29 | nyu | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.29 | nyu | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.30 | nyu | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.30 | nyu | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.30 | nyu | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.48 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 19:43.08 | nyu | fredrin: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=espdiff |
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| 19:54.52 | esk | has anyone else had I/O errors during heavy read/write on microSD with 2008.[89] ? |
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| 19:55.27 | techiem2-r | not that I've noticed... |
| 19:55.34 | techiem2-r | but haven't done many |
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| 19:58.48 | geaaru | hi, i'm try to insert om_gta2 arch on my ipkg feed of my neo1973 |
| 19:59.10 | geaaru | but seems that om_gta2 is doesn't handle |
| 19:59.38 | geaaru | is it possible configure om_gta2 snapshot on neo1973 environment |
| 19:59.39 | geaaru | ? |
| 19:59.42 | esthar | I just installed FDOM and I tried to load Duke3D and the screen is lit up but black, and nothing is responding. |
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| 20:00.18 | esthar | Is there any better way to handle such situations besides force rebooting? |
| 20:00.26 | esthar | tthe aux button was glowing red, too. |
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| 20:04.30 | geaaru | it seems that repository directory is on om-gta02 but i think that ipkg update doesn't see file snapshot-om-gta02-feed.conf |
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| 20:05.00 | geaaru | because manage "om" as arch not "om-gta02" |
| 20:05.05 | geaaru | is it correct? |
| 20:05.10 | geaaru | how can i resolve it? |
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| 20:29.18 | Kensan | Has anybody checked out the imovio ikit? |
| 20:29.34 | mattl | ino. |
| 20:29.47 | Kensan | seems to be running Linux but has some proprietary stack on top... |
| 20:29.55 | Kensan | http://imovio.com/ |
| 20:30.14 | Kensan | oh... kernel 2.4.19 |
| 20:30.25 | mattl | wow. nothing but a couple logos. |
| 20:30.32 | Kensan | well choose one ;) |
| 20:31.21 | mattl | meh. nowhere to buy one. |
| 20:31.55 | Kensan | I think they just "released" as in "press-released" |
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| 20:32.34 | Kensan | wow that's one crappy flash mockup... |
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| 20:34.16 | Kensan | qvga screen, looks pretty useless like that. Maybe it would still be a device that openmoko could be ported to at some point in the future. |
| 20:35.25 | mattl | 2.4 kernel. |
| 20:35.40 | Kensan | yeah |
| 20:35.42 | Kensan | 2.4.19 |
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| 20:51.30 | timur | i disabled power management with txpower fixed, but then it got reenabled a while later. what else on 2008.9 sets power management? |
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| 20:57.03 | timur | also, running iwconfig eth0 txpower off and then iwconfig eth0 txpower fixed shows dbm to be set to 255 |
| 20:57.07 | timur | i'm pretty sure that's wrong |
| 20:57.11 | timur | any ideas anyone? |
| 20:57.37 | Kensan | mwester_: ping |
| 20:57.54 | Kensan | mwester_: check out laforges latest patches |
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| 21:04.47 | timur | also, any significance to the red light being on over the lock button? (aux button) |
| 21:05.13 | Kensan | timur: that usualy means there's an error I think. |
| 21:05.33 | timur | ah, dmesg was remarkably silent in that case |
| 21:05.42 | Kensan | logread anything? |
| 21:05.55 | timur | i ended up rebooting, give me a second |
| 21:07.16 | timur | err, seem to be outta luck. i guess it flushes the logs on reboot |
| 21:07.56 | timur | hmm ok, the light is back on |
| 21:07.56 | Kensan | yeah, the logs are kept in the ringbuffer which you read with logread. on reboot the ringbuffer gets cleared obviously (as anything else in memory) |
| 21:08.11 | timur | but the logs just have ATT commands |
| 21:08.24 | Kensan | What do you mean? |
| 21:08.50 | timur | I mean AT |
| 21:09.06 | timur | Oct 20 17:06:30 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : "AT+CBC" |
| 21:09.07 | timur | Oct 20 17:06:30 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : Ficgta01PhoneBook::Ficgta01PhoneBook |
| 21:09.07 | timur | Oct 20 17:06:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : "+CBC: 0,0" |
| 21:09.07 | timur | Oct 20 17:06:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : "OK" |
| 21:09.07 | timur | Oct 20 17:06:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : "AT%CWUP=1" |
| 21:09.07 | timur | Oct 20 17:06:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : "OK" |
| 21:09.09 | timur | Oct 20 17:06:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : "AT+CFUN=0" |
| 21:09.11 | timur | Oct 20 17:06:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : "OK" |
| 21:09.13 | timur | Oct 20 17:06:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : "AT%CSQ=1" |
| 21:09.15 | timur | Oct 20 17:06:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : "%CSQ: 1 " |
| 21:09.17 | timur | Oct 20 17:06:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : "OK" |
| 21:09.19 | timur | Oct 20 17:06:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : "AT@ST="-26"" |
| 21:09.23 | timur | Oct 20 17:06:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : "OK" |
| 21:09.25 | timur | Oct 20 17:06:32 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : "AT%N0187" |
| 21:09.27 | timur | stuff like that |
| 21:09.27 | Kensan | ehm |
| 21:09.29 | timur | i don't see any errors |
| 21:09.54 | Kensan | well pipe the whole log to your workstation and take a closer look at it... |
| 21:09.58 | timur | ah ok, here's what it's dumping now: Oct 20 17:08:33 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : T : "AT+CIMI" |
| 21:09.58 | timur | Oct 20 17:08:33 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : F : "+CME ERROR: 13" |
| 21:10.02 | timur | yep, will do |
| 21:10.14 | timur | sorry for the spam in the channel, although no one's talking anyway :P |
| 21:10.23 | Kensan | logread -f | netcat foo port |
| 21:10.32 | Kensan | eh |
| 21:10.33 | Kensan | nc |
| 21:10.41 | Kensan | instead of netcat |
| 21:10.42 | Kensan | heh |
| 21:11.09 | Kensan | everybody is compiling kernels with harald's latest nand-patches ;) |
| 21:11.16 | timur | ah, yea, that would work. i just dumped it to a file for now |
| 21:11.18 | timur | haha nice |
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| 21:13.05 | timur | is there a way to turn off GPRS? |
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| 21:26.52 | ColdFyre | is the neo not charging with certain usb hardware or software related? |
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| 21:34.26 | dolf1074 | what's special about harald's patches? |
| 21:34.32 | dolf1074 | or what do they do? |
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| 21:59.33 | lindi- | ColdFyre: is there a bug report about it? |
| 22:03.11 | timur | hmm, is this a known issue: after some scans/associations/scans, etc the card does not get any scan results? |
| 22:03.25 | timur | with "failed to read scan data" |
| 22:03.35 | timur | anyone know of a way to fix it, aside from rebooting |
| 22:03.36 | timur | ? |
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| 22:05.27 | ColdFyre | there is a bug report, yes |
| 22:05.39 | lindi- | ColdFyre: do you remember the number? |
| 22:05.50 | ColdFyre | and people say software and others say hardware |
| 22:05.55 | ColdFyre | no, i don't |
| 22:05.58 | ColdFyre | not off hand |
| 22:06.00 | timur | iwconfig also apparently reports that the card can transmit at 65 Mb/s, which would be pretty sweet, but seems bogus |
| 22:06.22 | ColdFyre | let me try to find it.. |
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| 22:09.39 | ColdFyre | can't find it, but i am certain a bug exists |
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| 22:10.09 | lindi- | ColdFyre: #1158 |
| 22:10.09 | lindi- | no no |
| 22:10.11 | lindi- | different bug |
| 22:10.30 | lindi- | ColdFyre: next time you find interesting bug you should subscribe to it |
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| 22:19.44 | Soulnoob | Is there an equivalent application to lock the touchscreen trough pressing the aux. button in FSO/SHR as there was in (iirc) Om2008.8? |
| 22:20.49 | Soulnoob | er... what I mean, is there something out there that would work for me? |
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| 22:22.11 | Kensan | raster: ping |
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| 22:23.41 | raster | Kensan: pong |
| 22:23.56 | Tig| | can't fault service like that |
| 22:23.59 | Tig| | :) |
| 22:24.23 | Kensan | raster: have you seen Harald's flash patches? |
| 22:25.41 | mwester | re |
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| 22:25.50 | raster | Kensan: i have heard something of a 50% speedup from current pain |
| 22:26.04 | raster | but as such we should still be able to double the IO speed |
| 22:26.10 | raster | ie was 2m/sec |
| 22:26.15 | raster | patches go to 3m/sec |
| 22:26.18 | mwester | yawns |
| 22:26.25 | raster | in theory we should be able to to 6m/sec |
| 22:26.40 | mattl | flashing the phone? |
| 22:26.40 | raster | slaps mwester witha trout to wake him up |
| 22:27.21 | mwester | is just SOOOOOO excited that we can now read/write NAND so much faster; it means that the GTA02 will spend less time between WSoD |
| 22:27.27 | Kensan | raster: I applied the patches and could not observe any speed gain on bootup ... |
| 22:27.40 | Kensan | mwester: heh |
| 22:28.08 | raster | Kensan: interesting |
| 22:28.14 | mwester | Harald volunteered to work on the WSoD -- I'll just bet that nobody at Om took him up on his offer and sent him a unit that exhibits the problem. |
| 22:28.39 | raster | hehehe |
| 22:28.45 | raster | sucky tho it is |
| 22:28.47 | Kensan | raster: and I still haven't fixed bootchart. Quite frankly I don't see why it's not working but well |
| 22:28.50 | raster | i never see a wsod on my 2 fr's |
| 22:28.54 | raster | i think thats the problem |
| 22:29.01 | raster | that its "some units" see it |
| 22:29.03 | mwester | So instead, he's working on I/O speed. Good stuff, and all, but it won't matter until somebody (and it seems it won't be Om) gets the Glamo working in resume. |
| 22:29.14 | raster | i thought the suspect is iffy glamo wiring |
| 22:29.15 | mwester | Yeah, mine doesnt' do it either. |
| 22:29.23 | raster | and the slightest glitch on the signal line resets the glamo |
| 22:29.25 | raster | and thats the problem |
| 22:29.25 | mwester | Otherwise I'd be figuring out how to send mine to Harald. |
| 22:29.35 | raster | some units get enough static on the line to glitch |
| 22:29.37 | raster | others dont |
| 22:29.50 | Wonka | flash patches? does that mean newer uboot? |
| 22:29.54 | Tig| | slaps mattl with a hazmat suit :) |
| 22:30.07 | raster | mwester: i keep saying it. imho glamo was... a bad way to go |
| 22:30.16 | raster | too much complexity into a first-gen device |
| 22:30.20 | Wonka | raster: it's gone in GTA03... |
| 22:30.39 | mattl | Tig|: ow |
| 22:30.45 | raster | i might have been tempted to add some extra flash chips for the same price (so go up to 512 or 1g flash) |
| 22:30.48 | mwester | Wonka -- do you think that matters, if the glamo can't be made to work in the GTA02? |
| 22:30.50 | raster | and nix the micrsd slot |
| 22:30.55 | Kensan | man, GTA03 is still at least a year away so just let it be... |
| 22:30.56 | raster | and use that sd line for wifi |
| 22:31.07 | raster | that'd have solved the "out of sdio lines" |
| 22:31.23 | raster | Wonka: i know. parelty because that was my advice |
| 22:31.46 | raster | *IF* glamo didnt have some of its silly limits |
| 22:31.48 | mwester | prefers an external SD slot, and the option to use an SD card or Wifi |
| 22:31.53 | Wonka | mwester: mh... maybe not. didn't have a WSOD yet. |
| 22:32.07 | raster | (3d is 511x511 - not even vga),, and the 2d engine actually did all the operations needed to accelerate x fully |
| 22:32.15 | Wonka | i'd like an external SDIO slot in addition to the internal 8GB microSDHC... |
| 22:32.16 | Kensan | mwester: what's the way to trigger wsod? |
| 22:32.17 | raster | THEN it'd be possibly worht the trouble |
| 22:32.19 | raster | the proiblem is |
| 22:32.28 | raster | u can implement a BIT more acceleration |
| 22:32.38 | raster | and then hit a big wall in the last 100m of the race |
| 22:32.48 | raster | at which point u are droping back to software anyway |
| 22:32.56 | raster | and all gains made just got lost |
| 22:33.03 | mwester | Kensan: with the last round of Harald's patches, apparently some units now exhibit the WSoD on unblanking, not just on resume. |
| 22:33.28 | raster | mwester: thats why i might have been tempted to drop the internal sd slot in favor of more onboard flash |
| 22:33.29 | Kensan | hm. ok then my device is not affected... otherwise I could have passed it on :( |
| 22:33.34 | mwester | But historically, just attempting to resume would result in a partially resumed device -- white screen, no response, but you can ssh into it. |
| 22:33.35 | raster | as in practice they serve about the same purpose |
| 22:34.03 | raster | but without glamo we'd have a significantly simpelr system |
| 22:34.11 | raster | and it'd be much more reliable or likely to work |
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| 22:34.24 | raster | and i think it'd be able to run at 500mhz |
| 22:34.26 | raster | instead of 400 |
| 22:34.30 | Tig| | raster: in other words because of the hardware limitations the hardware acceleration can not exceed the performance or the software acceleration on it is own making further hardware driver optimisations pointless ? |
| 22:34.32 | mwester | 20% overall... |
| 22:34.40 | Kensan | mwester: I have another funny issue. If I plug my FR in while the display is lit, my notebook says there was an overcurrent change on ?:? usb port. If backlight is off, it's fine. |
| 22:34.59 | mwester | Linux on the notebook? |
| 22:35.04 | Kensan | mwester: yes |
| 22:35.07 | raster | Tig|: the simple version. yes |
| 22:35.08 | Kensan | oh |
| 22:35.10 | Kensan | wait |
| 22:35.16 | Kensan | Ubuntu Hardy |
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| 22:35.35 | mwester | Is that perhaps one of those ports that cannot really supply a full 500ma (i.e. the 500ma is shared between ports or capped at a lower limit)? |
| 22:35.48 | raster | Tig|: basically in graphics. if u ever have to resort to a software fallback during your rendering pipeline, almost always it is the case where you may as wellnever have used the hardware at all for anything and done it all in software |
| 22:35.54 | raster | as the cost of going to and from video ram and back |
| 22:36.05 | raster | and the break in pipeline is big enough to throw away all gains made |
| 22:36.17 | Kensan | mwester: hm... might be that it's an issue on the notebook side ineed. |
| 22:36.19 | Kensan | d |
| 22:36.20 | raster | of course this assumes thast the non-hw op is "significantly" used |
| 22:36.31 | raster | ie its more than 3 pixels in the corner of your screen every second |
| 22:36.42 | raster | also it assumes the software code is relatively well written and optimised |
| 22:36.47 | mmontour | Kensan: Was your FR connected to the wall charger before you connected it to the notebook? In the past (months ago) I have seen it keep the 1000mA current limit even after the wall charger was unplugged. |
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| 22:37.08 | mwester | Kensan: If it's not capped, and the FR is really drawing more than 500 ma, then there is another (serious) problem as Andy has been very careful to always honor the current limits. |
| 22:37.24 | Tig| | raster: so we can write off any hw accel from the glamo chip as although we can use it, it is faster not to ? |
| 22:37.27 | mwester | That should probably be mentioned on the ML if the port is not capped. |
| 22:37.29 | Kensan | mmontour: well I have pluged it into the wall at times but this happens in any case: fresh boot etc |
| 22:38.09 | mwester | mmontour: so in other words the FR is not detecting or not responding correctly to the *disconnect* of the high-current charger? |
| 22:38.09 | raster | Tig|: early on once i read all the glamo docs i made the following call, and i stick by it to this day: |
| 22:38.12 | SpeedEvil | How it should always - in principle - work is that FR should never draw more than 100mA from the port unless it's determined to either be a charger, or the host has authenticated us to use more. |
| 22:38.27 | mmontour | Kensan: if you can, ssh in over wifi and see what the PMU status is in /sys/whatever before and after you plug it into the laptop |
| 22:38.29 | raster | "the glamo will sink a lot of effort for us to just stand still. we're running on the spot" |
| 22:38.48 | raster | i.e. - any gains the glamo makes in porformance in some ways, are lost in others |
| 22:38.54 | mwester | SpeedEvil: is a specific current negotiated, or is it assumed that if a host is active that the FR can draw 500ma? |
| 22:39.04 | SpeedEvil | mwester: specific current |
| 22:39.05 | raster | and we've spent a mountain of effort on drivers (kernel and x) just to "go nowhere" |
| 22:39.16 | SpeedEvil | mwester: basically, the FR says 'you can configure me as A,B,C' |
| 22:39.19 | raster | if the gta02 had no glamo and just software frameubffer ala gta01 |
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| 22:39.40 | Kensan | argh |
| 22:39.40 | raster | my call is that it'd be "just as fast - if not faster in most things" than with a glamo |
| 22:39.44 | SpeedEvil | mwester: where A might be 200mA, with a list of available functionality, and C might be 500mA, with a fuller list of functionality. |
| 22:39.46 | raster | glamo right now mostly buys just 1 good thing |
| 22:39.52 | raster | video + scaling |
| 22:39.58 | raster | ie yuv->rgb + scale |
| 22:39.59 | Kensan | why can't bootchart write to /etc *grrrr* |
| 22:40.05 | Tig| | raster: which we are not using |
| 22:40.05 | SpeedEvil | mwester: the host then picks A,B,or C, and the FR should set itself up this way. |
| 22:40.13 | mwester | SpeedEvil: Thanks - I didn't know that. Then it sounds like Kensan has observed a definite bug. |
| 22:40.26 | raster | the mpeg4 decode is dubiously useful imoh as we have no standard accel api in x for feeding encoded streams to hardware |
| 22:40.29 | Kensan | mwester: I am about to test again |
| 22:40.30 | raster | also it wont decode audio |
| 22:40.31 | raster | just video |
| 22:40.31 | mmontour | mwester: that's what I saw - it kept the 1000mA setting (seen in /sys) after the wall charger was unplugged. I haven't tried it lately. |
| 22:40.36 | SpeedEvil | mwester: in practice - at the moment vanishingly few hosts will object if they are otherwise unloaded, and you attach a 500mA host. |
| 22:40.41 | raster | so u need to split the stream and feed off audio to cpu to do separately |
| 22:40.50 | raster | so u/'re also goign to have to battle sync problems |
| 22:41.04 | Kensan | right |
| 22:41.07 | raster | Tig|: btw - you ARE using the yuv->rgb+scale |
| 22:41.09 | SpeedEvil | raster: I thought it did audio, but it wasn't hooked up - or is that what you meant? |
| 22:41.09 | Kensan | so the screen is flickering |
| 22:41.14 | raster | xv *IS* accelerated |
| 22:41.24 | raster | SpeedEvil: thats what i mean |
| 22:41.24 | Tig| | raster: mind you making a phone call is a challenge atm |
| 22:41.28 | Kensan | I get hub 4-0:1.0: over-current change on port 1 |
| 22:41.28 | raster | :) |
| 22:41.37 | raster | Tig|: ooh. thats another matter entirely |
| 22:41.41 | raster | :) |
| 22:41.43 | raster | but |
| 22:41.48 | raster | if it were me |
| 22:42.06 | Tig| | I think mpeg4 video playback on the device should be well down the wish list |
| 22:42.09 | raster | i would have early on said "ok - fuck the glamo - take it out. drop the sd slot, add an extra 256m of flash" |
| 22:42.13 | raster | and save trouble |
| 22:42.21 | raster | sure - video decode now is all software on cpu |
| 22:42.22 | raster | too bad |
| 22:42.30 | raster | you have a CHANCe at getting a phone thats stable |
| 22:42.34 | Tig| | raster: sd slot is neede |
| 22:42.36 | Kensan | if display is black (backlight is off) I get no such errors and no flickering |
| 22:42.38 | Tig| | needed |
| 22:42.38 | raster | as u have 1 "very complex chip" removed |
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| 22:42.40 | Wonka | my debian is bigger than 512MB atm, and i'd still like to install more stuff |
| 22:42.47 | raster | Tig|: not needed at all |
| 22:42.54 | raster | Tig|: first it's under the battery |
| 22:42.58 | raster | u have to remove it to get to it |
| 22:43.06 | raster | so it is effectively as good as built-in flash |
| 22:43.19 | raster | itouch/iphone survives fine withotu it |
| 22:43.20 | mwester | Hang a USB->SD converter off the usb bus internally, and you'd have the SD slot as well. |
| 22:43.27 | raster | its a FIRST product for om |
| 22:43.37 | raster | they can do compromises on the first one |
| 22:43.46 | SpeedEvil | raster: Dropping the SD slot means you can't do music, maps, ... |
| 22:43.48 | Tig| | this is not the first though |
| 22:43.50 | SpeedEvil | movies. |
| 22:43.54 | Tig| | this is the second |
| 22:43.58 | raster | SpeedEvil: thus the extra 256m |
| 22:43.58 | mwester | Kensan: sounds like a definite bug to me. |
| 22:44.04 | raster | u can do small video clips |
| 22:44.12 | SpeedEvil | raster: not at this price point |
| 22:44.15 | Tig| | you need expandability |
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| 22:44.16 | raster | but as such - without glamo u'll be burning 100% cpu to play them |
| 22:44.20 | SpeedEvil | raster: if it was $100 - that might fly. |
| 22:44.24 | raster | so at best u'll get 3-4hrs worth of video |
| 22:44.26 | zash | a real SD slot would be more awesome |
| 22:44.33 | raster | and audio - well u'd just have to live with it |
| 22:44.39 | zash | not µSD |
| 22:44.39 | raster | its a PHONE |
| 22:44.48 | raster | it cant fulfil its primary function |
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| 22:44.56 | SpeedEvil | raster: It's not a phone. |
| 22:44.56 | raster | and you are complaining about not being able to do music and video |
| 22:45.02 | Kensan | mwester: hm any hints on how I could debug? |
| 22:45.05 | mwester | thought it was a phone. |
| 22:45.06 | SpeedEvil | raster: and it can never be a phone at $300. |
| 22:45.14 | Kensan | log does not say anything usefull... |
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| 22:45.21 | SpeedEvil | raster: it has to be more than a phone at $300, or you will sell 3. |
| 22:45.26 | raster | SpeedEvil: u know how much a n iphone 3g costs? |
| 22:45.30 | raster | $750 or so |
| 22:45.37 | mwester | Kensan: turning on debug for the PMU driver would be a start. |
| 22:45.37 | SpeedEvil | raster: And the users don't care. |
| 22:45.39 | raster | u know how much an n95 costs? about $1000 |
| 22:45.50 | raster | i can start listing phones |
| 22:45.51 | ljp | free for me |
| 22:45.53 | raster | thats the cost |
| 22:45.56 | SpeedEvil | raster: you're going against subsidised devices in most markets. |
| 22:46.00 | raster | if no one subsidised them for u |
| 22:46.04 | SpeedEvil | raster: you can't avoid that fact. |
| 22:46.05 | Kensan | *grrrr* |
| 22:46.06 | mwester | ljp: :) |
| 22:46.07 | raster | so |
| 22:46.12 | raster | then its not apples vs apples |
| 22:46.23 | SpeedEvil | raster: who said the marketplace was fair? |
| 22:46.42 | raster | the end result is a phone that cant suspend/resume and thus stay operational long enough to be a phone |
| 22:46.58 | Tig| | raster: I can buy a contract free phone for £20 here, my freerunner really needs to offer something better for the best part of £300 |
| 22:47.00 | raster | i think making it work and be a base platform to work on for now |
| 22:47.01 | mattl | has anyone seen 'tcflush: bad file descriptor' when doing GPRS? |
| 22:47.05 | raster | until gta03/04/05 comes out |
| 22:47.09 | mwester | thinks the entire space can be wrapped up, and Om become toast, if Nokia comes out with an N810 with a GSM on it. |
| 22:47.11 | Kensan | raster: correctin: I can't even plug it in without it trying to fry itself. |
| 22:47.16 | raster | you seem to think that gta02 is the end of all devices |
| 22:47.20 | raster | and thus it must be perfect |
| 22:47.31 | Tig| | raster I am not sure that the hardware is the problem |
| 22:47.43 | raster | Tig|: the hardware exacerbates the problem |
| 22:47.49 | mattl | Tig|: what do you want? |
| 22:47.50 | SpeedEvil | The manageware is. |
| 22:47.54 | ljp | thinks gta02 is the end of all devices |
| 22:47.57 | mattl | What's actually wrong with the hardware? |
| 22:48.03 | raster | it creates mountains of effort sunk into something that would have been better off just not there to start with |
| 22:48.12 | raster | and thus saving the effort completely |
| 22:48.19 | SpeedEvil | mattbnz: essentially no showstoppers as I understand it - other than the time-sink of raster. |
| 22:48.23 | SpeedEvil | s/raster/glamo/ |
| 22:48.33 | raster | so that effort to just get it to work even aty the most basic levels reliably could be put into workign on gsm power/stability issues |
| 22:48.49 | raster | and on better powermanagement in the kernel for clock-steppign and zero-clock |
| 22:48.50 | mattl | glamo? |
| 22:48.52 | raster | etc. |
| 22:48.56 | Kensan | mwester: the usb-hub is uncapped if it shows MaxPower 0mA right? |
| 22:49.01 | Kensan | (lsusb -v) |
| 22:49.02 | SpeedEvil | mattbnz: the accellerator chip that ended up not accellerating. |
| 22:49.05 | SpeedEvil | mattl: |
| 22:49.17 | mattl | 3d stuff? |
| 22:49.18 | mwester | Kensan: :( Dunno, never looked into the host side of things. |
| 22:49.23 | raster | SpeedEvil: wsod? not a showstopper? |
| 22:49.44 | raster | not to mention ui performance |
| 22:49.50 | mwester | SpeedEvil: Is the WSoD not a show-stopper then? |
| 22:49.55 | SpeedEvil | raster: Ok, I forgot about WSOD, it doesn't affect me. |
| 22:49.59 | mwester | Ah |
| 22:50.08 | raster | not to mention the myriad of smaller issues u never saw before gta02 was out |
| 22:50.11 | Kensan | heh |
| 22:50.27 | raster | of having to just get things like uboot to suport glamo to be able to display a splash and a menu and load images off sd etc. |
| 22:50.36 | raster | and the effort of supporting sdio via glamo in kernel |
| 22:50.46 | Kensan | Hm... might it have saved time if they had stayed with the Neo1973? |
| 22:50.48 | raster | and the mix and match of kenrl + userspace (x) control of glamo... |
| 22:50.55 | SpeedEvil | Kensan: pretty much |
| 22:51.06 | SpeedEvil | Kensan: GTA02 - glamo would be a lot simpler |
| 22:51.08 | raster | Kensan: well - i was just saying they should have made fwwe changes |
| 22:51.14 | raster | eg done the same video setup as gta01 |
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| 22:51.20 | SpeedEvil | http://www.theonion.com/content/radio_news/fda_approves_napalm_breast |
| 22:51.22 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 22:51.25 | raster | no glamo |
| 22:51.26 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: well minus Wlan which seems to attract quite a few people |
| 22:51.26 | raster | problem is wifi |
| 22:51.30 | raster | everyone demanded wifi |
| 22:51.34 | raster | but nowhere to hook it up |
| 22:51.36 | Kensan | yeah |
| 22:51.41 | SpeedEvil | Kensan: I have a prototype hardware add-on for GTA01 to add wifi |
| 22:51.41 | raster | so glamo provided an extra sdio line |
| 22:51.46 | raster | for the sd card |
| 22:51.54 | SpeedEvil | Kensan: it seemed to work OK in very limited tests. |
| 22:52.02 | mwester | You actually got it working? |
| 22:52.04 | Kensan | raster: glamo... seems like pandora's box in retrospect. |
| 22:52.06 | raster | since there is no sane multiplexer solution for this |
| 22:52.11 | raster | u either drop wifi |
| 22:52.12 | Tig| | mind you OM had been touting GTA02 as a consumer device |
| 22:52.14 | raster | or lose tyhe sd slot |
| 22:52.17 | raster | pick your pain |
| 22:52.28 | SpeedEvil | mwester: yes - remove GPS antenna, place wifi in place, put USB hub connected to USB external port. |
| 22:52.28 | raster | Kensan: yes. thats why i said. and still say |
| 22:52.38 | raster | "a lot of effort runing on the spot, to stand still" |
| 22:52.45 | SpeedEvil | raster: or accept wifi as a power-hog, and go USB. |
| 22:52.49 | raster | ie u didnt get any amazing graphcis performance abilities |
| 22:53.05 | raster | SpeedEvil: thats an option .. i think |
| 22:53.09 | raster | tho i need to check |
| 22:53.09 | Kensan | raster: plus the glame was big with the community as THE 3d chip |
| 22:53.16 | Kensan | so the disappointment got much bigger |
| 22:53.24 | raster | i dont know if there were usb wifi options for that level of embedded |
| 22:53.39 | SpeedEvil | raster: I did a very stupid thing, and it worked. |
| 22:53.44 | raster | Kensan: yup. i was all keen on it |
| 22:53.47 | raster | like everyone else |
| 22:53.55 | raster | before i read the actual programming docs |
| 22:53.56 | SpeedEvil | raster: basically involving a slightly cut-down USB dongle, and it worked. |
| 22:54.01 | Kensan | fscking bootchart |
| 22:54.01 | raster | and al lthe nasty details |
| 22:54.02 | SpeedEvil | raster: and a teeny GPS antenna. |
| 22:54.02 | mattl | my phone seems very close to having calls/sms/gps and gprs. |
| 22:54.13 | mattl | that seems pretty good. |
| 22:54.25 | raster | anyway its all water under the bridge now |
| 22:54.29 | Tig| | mattl: FSO image? |
| 22:54.32 | mattl | for a 400mhz thing running free software. |
| 22:54.34 | SpeedEvil | raster: that's not water. |
| 22:54.35 | mattl | Tig|: FDOM. |
| 22:54.37 | raster | so now there is still a mamoth effort to get gta02 to be a reliable phone |
| 22:54.47 | Kensan | mattl: close does not cut it. It needs to be rock solid or it will stay in it's niche market and be a devel device forever |
| 22:54.48 | raster | gta03 dropped glamo - good. |
| 22:54.56 | raster | thats one box of hurt not coming along |
| 22:55.46 | mattl | Kensan: sure, but it seems like software, not hardware. |
| 22:56.49 | SpeedEvil | goes back to working on his close-source 'phone'. |
| 22:56.52 | Kensan | mwester: would you happen to know what during the move to git by oe also changed? bootchart seemed to work fine before now it can't write to /etc/ for some misterous reason. |
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| 22:57.21 | mwester | Nothing should have changed to any recipes or the results of a build before or after. |
| 22:57.21 | Kensan | mattl: well as Werners mail to the ML shows, if they wanted to do this earlier (tackle gsm issues) they could have... |
| 22:57.41 | mwester | Yeah, I was wondering about that.... |
| 22:57.52 | Kensan | mwester: what was the abi/eabi change? That should have no effect I assume. |
| 22:58.03 | mwester | That should have been undone |
| 22:58.08 | Kensan | This is so frustrating when going in circles. |
| 22:58.16 | mwester | if it was done in the central repo at all. |
| 22:58.20 | Kensan | mwester: oh really? |
| 22:58.38 | Kensan | mwester: I saw some commit messages about that. Maybe I need to update |
| 22:58.56 | mwester | There were some other changes about hashes in libs, but that should also have no effect. |
| 22:59.25 | mwester | I suspect the issue is something else -- do you get a permission denied, or what? |
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| 23:00.26 | Kensan | mwester: the binary is passed as init= parameter and there's no such thing in the logs that I can see. If I call the binary after the device has bootet everything is fine. |
| 23:00.44 | mwester | Is the binary dynamically linked? |
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| 23:01.03 | Kensan | mwester: hm. I don't think so. |
| 23:01.22 | Kensan | that would make no sense. |
| 23:01.32 | mwester | It would be undesirable. |
| 23:02.02 | mwester | Is /etc writale at boot, or is it mounted ro, and switched to rw during the boot process? |
| 23:02.45 | Kensan | it is mounted ro but the switch should happen before init is called |
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| 23:02.51 | Kensan | the remount |
| 23:03.59 | mwester | HOw? |
| 23:04.56 | timur | brrrr i hate the mac os x channel... ok, sorry had to be said... |
| 23:05.53 | mattl | haha |
| 23:06.00 | mattl | timur: why exactly? |
| 23:06.19 | Kensan | mwester: hold that thought |
| 23:06.23 | Kensan | :) |
| 23:06.59 | timur | mattl, because it's filled with mac fanatics who refuse to acknowledge any flaws in their religiously worshiped OS :) |
| 23:07.16 | timur | yet, they will go ahead and point out flaws in everything else |
| 23:07.24 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 23:07.30 | john | Sounds kinda like Linux fanatics (-; |
| 23:07.49 | Dave | Greetigs |
| 23:07.51 | timur | hehhe sounds like fanatics period... :) |
| 23:08.07 | techiem2-r | destroys john for suggesting that Linux isn't perfect :P |
| 23:08.08 | Kensan | mwester: ok was a bit confused. obviously checkroot.sh does this. |
| 23:08.27 | john | Hi Dave! |
| 23:08.31 | Dave | Hello :) |
| 23:08.37 | timur | all right, so does anyone know if the wireless on OpenMoko going to be less flaky soon? |
| 23:08.49 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 23:08.50 | Dave | unlkikely |
| 23:08.56 | timur | heh damn it... |
| 23:09.40 | timur | i'm writing a project that relies on frequent scanning and association and then short transfers... when the moko goes in a state where i can't scan it kinda ruins the whole thing |
| 23:09.52 | techiem2-r | minor detail |
| 23:10.11 | Dave | heh |
| 23:10.17 | timur | i looked at maybe using the iphone or the touch (hence the mac channel), but neither of those has a way to scan from command line |
| 23:10.32 | timur | are there any linux phones that would work somewhat reliably that you guys know of? |
| 23:10.34 | mwester | suggests the N800 or N810 |
| 23:10.47 | Dave | Yes |
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| 23:10.50 | john | When dealing with RF at all, you should expect it to be flaky. |
| 23:10.56 | Dave | I'd like to try out one of those 810s :p |
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| 23:11.58 | timur | well, i'm ok with somewhat flaky, but not unusable until reboot |
| 23:12.25 | timur | i'm ok with going through periods of being unable to even scan, so long as it recovers without a reboot or if there is some way to reset it |
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| 23:13.35 | john | Is the driver a module? Maybe unloadinf and reloading the module might work? |
| 23:13.42 | timur | it's compiled in the kernel |
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| 23:14.06 | techiem2-r | downing the interface and bringing it back up doesn't work? |
| 23:14.11 | timur | i'll probably make it a project for tomorrow to recompile the kernel with the driver as a module and try removing it and inserting it |
| 23:14.12 | mwester | It won't work as a module currently. |
| 23:14.19 | timur | oh, never mind |
| 23:14.21 | timur | i guess i won't |
| 23:14.23 | mwester | bringing it down and up does nothing. |
| 23:14.27 | techiem2-r | ah |
| 23:14.35 | mwester | powering it off renders it useless until reboot |
| 23:14.46 | mwester | Basicallyt the wifi is almost completely hosed. |
| 23:14.51 | mwester | Rather like the glamo |
| 23:14.53 | mwester | and the GSM |
| 23:15.00 | mwester | which leaves you with... |
| 23:15.02 | mwester | ... |
| 23:15.10 | john | Buying a G1? |
| 23:15.13 | timur | mwester, do you know if there are any private ioctls that would affect it? |
| 23:15.32 | mwester | timur - the kernel devs have been working on it for months |
| 23:15.48 | timur | grreat, ok, time to look for a new platform :) |
| 23:16.30 | mwester | timur: You could always use an outboard wifi device on a USB dongle. |
| 23:16.39 | john | timur: the G1 from T-Mobile? |
| 23:16.41 | tomer_ | can i install Android on the FR? |
| 23:16.41 | mwester | The GTA02 can even power one |
| 23:16.53 | timur | oooh, that would actually be a really good solution |
| 23:17.02 | mwester | tomer_: if you can find the complete source code for Android, yes. |
| 23:17.12 | mattl | it's coming, i believe. |
| 23:17.16 | tomer_ | mwester: isn't it open sourced? |
| 23:17.25 | mwester | tomer_: only promises. |
| 23:17.26 | stevenSn | will belive it when he can compile it |
| 23:17.53 | timur | mwester, thanks a bunch. i think tomorrow i'll be buying some dongles :) |
| 23:17.57 | tomer_ | mwester: and then it will work out of the box...? |
| 23:17.57 | mwester | :) |
| 23:18.11 | john | I think ATM, Neo is the only platform with an open-source phone stack |
| 23:18.14 | Dave | Raster, COME FORTH! |
| 23:18.17 | timur | i didn't even think of that... i'm silly |
| 23:18.20 | mwester | tomer_ : you'll need a special cable, but Speedevil has made it work on the GTA01 |
| 23:18.45 | mwester | er, that was for timur |
| 23:18.47 | john | I thought raster coded in C, not forth? |
| 23:19.02 | Dave | hah |
| 23:19.37 | techiem2-r | wonders if he could bind the internal wifi card with a usb wifi card for extra speediness |
| 23:19.37 | timur | mwester, couldn't i just buy a converter and put it on the end of the cable that comes with FR and then plug the dongle into it? |
| 23:19.48 | techiem2-r | wait...it's only USB1 isn't it? |
| 23:19.53 | john | How dificult would it be to cut the USB A connector off a cable and wire a mini-B or what ever plugs into the FR? |
| 23:19.55 | tomer_ | my FR's battery lasts for 6 hours and two short calls - is this normal? |
| 23:20.18 | mwester | tomer_: to make Android work on the FR will require some kernel mods, I expect. so it's not "out of the box". It's just not something that anyone here as even looked at yet. (although if I were an Android developer, I would certainly have a Proof-of-concept project going on to ensure that it worked on more than just the T1, and the FR would be a logical choice) |
| 23:20.21 | Dave | techiem2-r: bind, no, usurp, sure |
| 23:20.26 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 23:21.11 | Dave | First thing I fucking did was compile usb wifi drivers |
| 23:21.14 | Kensan | mwester: I think bricode has looked at android kernel & FR |
| 23:21.22 | mwester | timur: Check the wiki, I think someone put a page up that describes the wiring of the cable that would do it -- and there is a /sys file that needs to be changed to tell the FR that it is to be the USB host (because the connector lacks the pin that would tell it this information) |
| 23:21.22 | tomer_ | mwester: i'm guessing that in the comming months we'll see a few more models from the big companies |
| 23:21.36 | techiem2-r | mhm |
| 23:21.41 | timur | mwester, sweet, thanks a bunch |
| 23:21.47 | zash | http://www.kjell.com/content/media/images/items/68613.jpg |
| 23:21.57 | techiem2-r | made himself a usb host + power cable and wrote a pygtk app to switch usb modes |
| 23:22.05 | Dave | zash :o |
| 23:22.07 | mwester | Kensan: You're right - he did say he'd built a kernel with the mods. So then things like the audio routing, the video, etc, would need mappings and possible glue. |
| 23:23.15 | mwester | tomer: Motorola will be coming out with an Android device, according to the rumors being published in the online magazines lately. So we'll see a bunch of potentially-open devices. |
| 23:23.16 | Kensan | mwester: / is still ro then bootchart wants to write to it. Then I don't understand why it has worked before. |
| 23:23.33 | Dave | spackle, glue, mush, what's next mwester? |
| 23:23.35 | Kensan | anyways, already late here |
| 23:23.42 | tomer_ | mwester: i heard of LG and Samsung too |
| 23:23.46 | john | zash: I found a site selling those for $1.50, but it was $7.50 shipping and it took 12 to meet the minimum order. |
| 23:23.52 | Dave | Our freerunner is going to become an amorphous blob of workaround code |
| 23:23.57 | mwester | Kensan: just change the command line to mount the rootfs rw . |
| 23:23.58 | Kensan | Dave: ducktape! |
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| 23:23.59 | zash | john: doh |
| 23:24.04 | Dave | huzzah! |
| 23:25.00 | Kensan | mwester: seriously, could you stop for just one moment on making me look like a fool here? ;) |
| 23:25.21 | mwester | :p |
| 23:25.44 | john | Yea, mwester. He can do a pretty good job of that himself. He doesn't need your help (-; |
| 23:25.48 | raster | Kensan: but he's having so much fun! |
| 23:26.04 | john | Heya raster! |
| 23:26.17 | mwester | is off to find some dinner. |
| 23:26.17 | raster | wobbles @ john |
| 23:26.19 | Kensan | mwester: oh while you are happily answering all my questions: what's your take on the GTA01 and the hope that it might become a usable phone someday (especially wrt battery time)? |
| 23:26.37 | mwester | Kensan: I *really* like my GTA01 |
| 23:26.43 | Kensan | yeah, let's make fun of the little guy |
| 23:26.48 | Kensan | very funny ha ha |
| 23:27.11 | Kensan | mwester: ok that's good news :) I am rather fond of my white-orange Neo1973 :) |
| 23:27.25 | Kensan | is < 170cm |
| 23:27.25 | tomer | so i'm not the only one with 6 hours of battery life? |
| 23:27.28 | mwester | it's been rock-solid wrt to suspend/resume, and as soon as the GSM problem is fixed it'll be a fabulous little device. |
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| 23:27.58 | mwester | I use a bluetooth network so while it lacks wifi, it can connect to the internet just fine around my house. |
| 23:28.11 | mwester | But I'm sorry about the color of yours :( |
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| 23:28.36 | john | wifi was one of my 'needs'. That's why I waited for the GTA02. |
| 23:28.42 | Kensan | mwester: It's awesome! The colors rock! I will be able to pass this on to my kids as security! |
| 23:28.48 | Kensan | it will be worth a lot |
| 23:28.59 | raster | mwester: like gta02 could have been... without glamo :) |
| 23:29.04 | mwester | The colors are... "unique"... |
| 23:29.12 | zash | any news on gta03? |
| 23:29.22 | mwester | raster: Exactly right! |
| 23:29.30 | SpeedEvil | Kensan: in principle, GTA01 can have at least several days standby. |
| 23:29.39 | raster | glamo is one pandoras box of evils |
| 23:29.50 | SpeedEvil | Kensan: this pretty much presumes cesarb's frequency patches though. |
| 23:30.00 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: hm I don't know where I got this from but I was led to believe that the GTA01 had a serious hardware defect wrt battery life... |
| 23:30.32 | Dave | as was I |
| 23:30.54 | mwester | Yeah, and the infrastructure for cesarb's work is all there -- what happened, IMO, is that the glamo and the other evils in the GTA02 took away the resources to make the frequency stuff part of the stock kernel. |
| 23:30.56 | john | me too (-; |
| 23:31.07 | mwester | It's almost completely there - it's such a shame that cesarb's stuff got dropped |
| 23:31.47 | john | So, jump on it and start merging, mwester (-; |
| 23:31.59 | SpeedEvil | Kensan: as I understand it, tehre isn't any fundamental battery flaw. |
| 23:32.34 | mwester | Gotta wait for the 2.6.27 kenel, john -- otherwise its wasted effort. And we can't go to that kernel because we're all stuck while Om tries to make that kernel work on the GTA02 |
| 23:32.36 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: oh wow, that's very good news for me. Don't know where I picked up that wrong info ... |
| 23:32.37 | SpeedEvil | Kensan: though without GSM firmware updates, it'll never be >45 hours or so stabdby |
| 23:32.49 | SpeedEvil | Kensan: at least with GSM on |
| 23:33.05 | Kensan | mwester: well what's missing from cesarb's work? |
| 23:33.11 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: hm ok. |
| 23:33.26 | Dave | the work |
| 23:33.37 | raster | yo momma |
| 23:33.38 | Dave | :p |
| 23:33.42 | mwester | Kensan: I honestly don't recall the details, but some drivers needed some extra work, and then (of course) testing. |
| 23:33.45 | Dave | COMPLY! |
| 23:33.56 | SpeedEvil | I think serial was being difficult. |
| 23:33.56 | john | Wait for OM? seems this community does much better work so why wait for them? |
| 23:34.04 | Kensan | mwester: ok. |
| 23:34.26 | Kensan | Well I think OM has more or less abandoned GTA01 so... |
| 23:34.31 | ljp | thinks mwester should try UBIFS |
| 23:34.35 | cesarb | Kensan: several drivers need work |
| 23:34.44 | mwester | SpeedEvil: The serial is easily fixed though (but it's a hack) -- we shut down the serial and flow-control the GSM. I.E. we handle the GSM as if we have suspended. |
| 23:34.45 | Kensan | cesarb: oh there you are :) |
| 23:34.56 | mwester | There he is! |
| 23:35.04 | mwester | Greetings cesarb! |
| 23:35.09 | SpeedEvil | passes cesarb a couple of weeks. |
| 23:35.10 | cesarb | Kensan: and I ported it to a more recente kernel, but didn't send the patches to the list yet (they are on the repository at repo.or.cz) |
| 23:35.17 | john | Hey Mr. Nokia! |
| 23:35.24 | Kensan | cesarb: great stuff. |
| 23:35.38 | Kensan | cesarb: I would be very inclined to test or help out where I can. |
| 23:35.42 | cesarb | Kensan: that was several weeks ago, I haven't even _looked_ at the code since |
| 23:36.01 | mwester | ljp: On my "I wish I had 36 hours in a day" list :) |
| 23:36.06 | Dave | hoenoes, it's cesarb! |
| 23:36.28 | cesarb | also hasn't read the mailing lists since, and thus has no idea what happened since except "Android appeared" |
| 23:36.41 | mwester | ljp: but some folks on OE are interested, so once they do the work, it may be as easy as telling OE to create a UBIFS image along with the JFFS2 image. |
| 23:36.42 | Dave | Mwester: I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. |
| 23:36.59 | Kensan | cesarb: well... not too much, but mwester can surely give you a better summary that's more accurate *heh* |
| 23:37.02 | mwester | You saw my web site, my newsletter would be worse, so no such thing! |
| 23:37.11 | Dave | hahaha, oh yeah |
| 23:37.15 | Dave | Good point :p |
| 23:37.21 | Kensan | mwester: puppies! |
| 23:37.21 | john | I thought your website rocked! |
| 23:37.25 | Dave | haha |
| 23:37.29 | Dave | How much time went into it? |
| 23:37.34 | Dave | braces himself |
| 23:37.34 | mwester | anbout 10 minutes |
| 23:37.37 | Dave | :D |
| 23:37.38 | ljp | mwester: well, from our initial tests it seems ubifs is much faster booting than jffs2 |
| 23:37.42 | Dave | The truth will set you free. |
| 23:37.44 | Kensan | mwester: that's about the right amount. |
| 23:37.53 | Dave | I think the concensus is clear, Mwester, more puppies! |
| 23:37.54 | Dave | :) |
| 23:38.09 | Kensan | ljp: well that is to be expected since all the meta-data is on disk. |
| 23:38.09 | mwester | ljp: that's promising -- even more promising that someone was able to use it somewhere. |
| 23:38.32 | mwester | Anyway - gotta run for a bit. |
| 23:38.41 | SpeedEvil | http://www.tanmonkey.com/fun/puppies/puppies-in-a-wagon.jpg |
| 23:38.49 | Kensan | mwester: there was a pull request for UBIFS stuff for 2.6.28 and it had quite a number of patches etc in it... |
| 23:39.06 | Tig| | mwester's images contain puppies? |
| 23:39.12 | Kensan | Tig|: his webiste |
| 23:39.14 | Kensan | website |
| 23:39.16 | Kensan | dangit |
| 23:39.24 | john | ljp: Any chance of qtExt-4.4.1 tarball I can test on SD? |
| 23:39.38 | Dave | haha |
| 23:39.45 | Dave | TIG |
| 23:39.51 | Dave | Tig, where's your website? |
| 23:39.55 | Dave | and where are YOUR cool images? |
| 23:40.03 | Tig| | Kensan: and I thought raster was the one with the aesthetic edge |
| 23:40.26 | john | I've got a cool image for yea! -> http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img3032tk8.jpg |
| 23:40.27 | Kensan | raster: ok now that mwester showed me my stupidity bootchart is running fine *shame on me* |
| 23:40.34 | Kensan | raster: can send you the ipk if ya want |
| 23:40.51 | Tig| | Dave: http://da.mned.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/dscf0586.jpg <-- me in my canoe the other day :) |
| 23:41.30 | Kensan | Tig|: well some aussies do have an affinity for puppies *heh* |
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| 23:42.09 | Tig| | Kensan: are we talking the interesting puppies or the small dog versions :P |
| 23:42.40 | Dave | oh snaps! |
| 23:42.43 | Kensan | Tig|: http://lguest.ozlabs.org/ at the bottom |
| 23:42.50 | ljp | john: you will want to wait for 4.4.2 or a snapshot |
| 23:43.38 | Dave | Tig, sweet |
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| 23:44.38 | Tig| | Kensan: and the award for the gratuitous use of puppies in a free software project goes to.... :) |
| 23:45.10 | john | But all I do is wait )-; Wait for Opteron, wait for KDE-4, wait for qtExt. I'm still running a KDE-3.2 desktop because I'm waiting for a decent version of KDE-4. |
| 23:45.18 | Kensan | Tig|: it's even in the kernel... build the lguest docs and you will see them... scary how much he likes puppies. *heh* |
| 23:45.36 | john | But since you're the inside man, I'll take your word on it (-; |
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| 23:46.25 | Kensan | s/kernel/kernel source/ |
| 23:46.26 | john | This is still the FB version, right? |
| 23:46.36 | Tig| | hmm are we going to get a new entry in the linux kernal swear counts? most rude words are in there and penguin, should the owner be warned about puppies? :) |
| 23:46.49 | Dave | Wow |
| 23:47.03 | john | moW |
| 23:47.04 | Dave | Beware of rabid calypsos! |
| 23:47.44 | Tig| | Dave, they are easy to spot, they are the ones where the coconuts are foaming at the eyes |
| 23:47.53 | Dave | haha |
| 23:47.56 | Dave | Indeed |
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| 23:51.28 | john | Any inside info on nokia's work with 3G? I saw the announcement, but I've seen lots of announcements that were just words and no follow-through. |
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| 23:52.35 | Kensan | heh funny comment by Andy to Haralds patches. |
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| 23:52.53 | Robot101 | john: they've merged some patches into the kernel already |
| 23:53.22 | john | Wow! Now that's what I call moving forward. |
| 23:53.35 | Robot101 | john: OMAP3 support for high-speed serial, and network stack support for phonet, which is a packet format they use to talk to their HSDPA chips |
| 23:53.51 | john | Guess they've really learned a lot lately. |
| 23:54.06 | Tig| | bedtime for me, ttfn all |
| 23:54.09 | john | Maybe they should buy nVidia (-= |
| 23:56.07 | john | I was slightly nervous when they bought Trolltech. But then their promise to release symbian after they bought it made me feel a little better, but not fully convinced. |
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| 23:56.25 | Dave | Everybody's buying someone else |
| 23:56.48 | techiem2-r | wishes he could buy em all and open source everything |
| 23:57.08 | Dave | haha |
| 23:57.10 | Dave | commie :p |
| 23:57.18 | john | Speaking of which, did anyone see the OpenGL announcement from SGI? |
| 23:57.39 | undrwater | anyone using fdom? |
| 23:58.03 | undrwater | or...does anyone know which kernel has the working modules for fdom |
| 23:58.10 | john | I'm still on 2007.2 |
| 23:58.18 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 23:58.59 | Dave | high-fives john |
| 23:59.05 | undrwater | that's awesome |
| 23:59.14 | Wonka | i'm thinking about restoring my 2008.4 backup and putting in a newer kernel... |
| 23:59.21 | undrwater | i don't need a phone yet...so i'm hopping |
| 23:59.47 | john | Though I really want to try qtExt. |
