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| 00:31.44 | gmaxwell | Why is "events/0" using 1/3rd of my cpu? |
| 00:31.47 | Tetracomm | Hello. |
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| 00:36.02 | raster | gmaxwell: it loves to spin and do pirouettes |
| 00:36.23 | gmaxwell | Seems rebooting it resolved the issue. :) |
| 00:37.39 | raster | its a known bug |
| 00:37.43 | raster | been around for many months |
| 00:42.10 | gmaxwell | raster, Thats really the answer I was looking for. |
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| 01:36.23 | Tetracomm | Hello. |
| 01:36.31 | Tetracomm | I posted an article about the OpenMoko. :) |
| 01:37.12 | sicu | Tetracomm: =] where? |
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| 01:42.20 | Tetracomm | sicu: ON Digg. |
| 01:42.22 | Tetracomm | On. |
| 01:45.15 | sicu | Tetracomm: URI? |
| 01:45.41 | zash | Tetracomm: URL? |
| 01:46.41 | Tetracomm | http://digg.com/gadgets/A_very_unique_and_competitive_mobile_device_was_released |
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| 01:53.53 | phobie | where can I find infos on how to make arch-independent i/opkg packages on my debian desktop? |
| 01:54.08 | davi | is looking at it |
| 01:55.02 | davi | Tetracomm, The colors makes it hard to read http://www.kompulsa.com/cstnews.php#openmokorelease |
| 01:55.20 | Tetracomm | Ok, I just changed the colour. |
| 01:55.25 | Tetracomm | Were they too dark? |
| 01:55.31 | Tetracomm | davi |
| 01:56.22 | davi | The problem was not too dark but lack of contrast between font colors and background colors |
| 01:56.31 | davi | Tetracomm, ^ |
| 01:56.57 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 01:57.09 | Tetracomm | davi: Look again, I just changed the colours. |
| 01:57.27 | davi | http://www.kompulsa.com/cstnews.php#openmokorelease |
| 01:57.30 | davi | Same problem |
| 01:57.39 | davi | I get it white only |
| 01:57.44 | davi | when mouse is over |
| 01:58.03 | Tetracomm | Odd. :( |
| 01:58.04 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4724 10/developers/werner/pmu/ (. Makefile main.c pmu.c pmu.h): Utility to directly read/write PMU registers. |
| 01:58.12 | davi | Tetracomm, And such white has even poor contrast with the background |
| 01:58.20 | Tetracomm | Oh yes, it turns white. |
| 01:58.56 | davi | Maybe the easier solution could turn fonts black and background white, but |
| 01:59.12 | davi | perhaps you want a dark site |
| 01:59.40 | davi | If you want a dark site you should choose a font color _and dept_ which makes it easier to read |
| 02:00.02 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.12 | davi | For example, I do not like as http://gnuherds.org/ looks |
| 02:00.57 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 02:08.39 | CVirus | Are there any mobile devices that can sync with KDE/Kontact ? like syncing the to-do list, appointments, contact list, ... etc ? |
| 02:09.46 | CVirus | whether the device is running linux or not |
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| 02:21.19 | paroneayea | is there a separate channel for FSO development? |
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| 02:34.25 | zash | paroneayea: http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Infrastructure#IRC |
| 02:36.22 | paroneayea | thanks zash! |
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| 03:23.10 | Infoport | is it really necessary to tar the contents of a jffs2 rootfs, just to un-tar it on the SD card? or would mount and cp -p as root work? |
| 03:24.53 | mwester | It shouldn't be necessary to start with a jffs2 rootfs in the first place -- is there not a .tgz or tar.gz rootfs to download? |
| 03:25.54 | mwester | But no, tar is not necessary -- you must, however, make sure that whatever environment and tool you use to copy can preserve things like dev nodes, IIRC. |
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| 03:49.25 | rooly | is the sim-card hot-swappable? |
| 03:49.47 | phobie | hehe |
| 03:50.12 | phobie | it is behind the battery |
| 03:50.23 | rooly | i do know this |
| 03:50.37 | rooly | however, the freerunner is capable of remaining turned on for extended periods with no battery |
| 03:50.47 | phobie | you mean with power over usb and without battery? |
| 03:50.55 | rooly | if'n it's plugged into a suitable power source |
| 03:51.19 | rooly | but anyway |
| 03:51.23 | rooly | is the sim card hot-swappable |
| 03:51.28 | phobie | I think it is not, but am not sure. |
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| 03:52.30 | phobie | hot plug system have to take care to connect ground before other contacts |
| 03:53.30 | phobie | You should give it a try |
| 03:53.39 | rooly | i am |
| 03:53.55 | rooly | btw...my phone's been giving me sporadic problems with reading the sim |
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| 03:54.44 | phobie | cleaned the sim? |
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| 03:55.34 | rooly | hmm, haven't tried that |
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| 03:56.26 | phobie | to obvious ;) |
| 03:56.32 | phobie | +o |
| 03:56.35 | rooly | meh...iunno |
| 03:56.49 | rooly | i wouldn't expect dust to get in the way of something that's always touching |
| 03:57.03 | mwester | corrosion. |
| 03:57.10 | phobie | ... |
| 03:57.27 | mwester | physical damage from being thrown against the wall in frustration? |
| 03:57.31 | rooly | lol |
| 03:57.38 | rooly | nah, i love my phone |
| 03:57.43 | rooly | except when it stops suspending properly |
| 03:57.55 | rooly | btw...gestures causes it to stop suspending properly |
| 03:58.07 | mwester | Or maybe the sim card just grew as tired of the calypso as the rest of us |
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| 03:58.33 | rooly|away | okay...seriously...facebook chat plugin for pidgin is a tad bit annoying |
| 03:58.44 | mwester | Yeah, it's gotten rather more broken in the past week than usual. |
| 03:59.06 | zash | rooly|away: s/book/palm.jpg/ |
| 03:59.07 | mwester | doesn't know anything about this facebook stuff... |
| 04:00.00 | rooly|away | and you don't need to |
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| 04:00.34 | CVirus | facebook pidgin plugin is a bit crappy because it actually simulates a webbrowser |
| 04:00.43 | CVirus | it sends http requests |
| 04:00.44 | zash | hahawhat |
| 04:00.49 | mwester | Nope, sure don't. I hear that facebook stuff is not for old farts like me. ;) |
| 04:01.01 | rooly|away | there we go |
| 04:01.06 | CVirus | you can't write a facebook apps without registering them on the developer plugin |
| 04:01.07 | rooly|away | actually...my mom is on facebook |
| 04:01.11 | CVirus | and having this key code or whatever they call it |
| 04:01.22 | CVirus | so they plugin basically uses the web interface to facebook |
| 04:01.29 | rooly|away | yeah |
| 04:01.42 | zash | CVirus: something like that, but as an xmpp gateway i want |
| 04:01.42 | CVirus | the* |
| 04:01.47 | zash | but not for facebook |
| 04:02.00 | CVirus | zash: no clue |
| 04:02.13 | phobie | facebook is for plp without privacy |
| 04:02.24 | CVirus | mwester: facebook as as social network is really good .. what bothers me is people abusing it |
| 04:02.29 | mwester | watches his main linux system as it nears the end of 36 hours of non-stop builds... and wonders if an upgrade is in order. |
| 04:03.02 | zash | mwester: beowulf clusters compilingness |
| 04:03.05 | zash | +of |
| 04:03.10 | mwester | CVirus: Yeah, there are all sorts of horror stories about it -- probably mostly overblown, but there's some truth to the concerns. |
| 04:03.15 | CVirus | I remember raster once came up with an innovative idea of integrating facebook with the freerunner to fetch the phone numbers of any one who calls you from their facebook profile |
| 04:03.27 | CVirus | so you no longer need to use the dialer to input phone numbers |
| 04:03.34 | rooly|away | that would totally kick ass |
| 04:03.39 | rooly|away | auto-add to contacts? |
| 04:03.53 | CVirus | true ... right after the anonymous number calls you |
| 04:04.02 | zash | that with s/facebook/the local white/yellow/whatever-pages/site |
| 04:04.16 | CVirus | the application which is supposed to be installed on your freerunner shall contact facebook and find this number among your friend and add it to your phone's contact list |
| 04:04.25 | mwester | zash: Actually, I need to convince m y better half that I need a dual CPU motherboard with a pair of quad-core extreme CPUs (3.2GHz), and 8GB RAM. :-D |
| 04:04.39 | CVirus | mwester: gentoo ? |
| 04:05.00 | mwester | fedora 9 currently |
| 04:05.09 | CVirus | I wonder why are you compiling though |
| 04:05.10 | mwester | but I'm building OM, and OE stuff. |
| 04:05.25 | CVirus | ah i see |
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| 04:05.42 | mwester | I'm trying to catch back up after some significant changes, and a complete rebuild seemed in order. It's just painful. |
| 04:05.45 | rooly|away | could someone modify qtopia a little to make it recognize 10 and 11 digit numbers as the same? |
| 04:05.56 | mwester | It doesn't? |
| 04:06.00 | rooly|away | it doesn't |
| 04:06.01 | zash | a friend has a bunch of ex supercomputer nodes |
| 04:06.35 | mwester | Those will suck some kilowatts |
| 04:06.50 | mwester | rooly|away: 4.4 or 4.3? |
| 04:07.12 | rooly|away | the integrated qtopia/x11 asu image version |
| 04:07.27 | mwester | Ah, ok. (based on 4.3) |
| 04:08.09 | raster | CVirus: why not? |
| 04:08.11 | phobie | what is the difference between fso-testing and fso-unstable images? |
| 04:08.14 | raster | this is the cool bit of an open phone |
| 04:08.22 | raster | being able to extend the core phone software to do anythign u like |
| 04:08.25 | CVirus | it is a cool idea |
| 04:08.26 | raster | integrate into existing social networks |
| 04:08.28 | mwester | oh no! it's raster! |
| 04:08.31 | raster | company ldap servers |
| 04:08.36 | raster | and so on |
| 04:08.37 | CVirus | raster: a few lines of python code would do the job |
| 04:08.51 | CVirus | that's the kind of software that should be written in python actually |
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| 04:08.57 | raster | imho python's pwoer isnt in writign the phonebook app |
| 04:08.59 | raster | write it in c |
| 04:09.03 | CVirus | damn you |
| 04:09.07 | raster | but the pwoer is to make small 5-liners that do this kind of stuff |
| 04:09.20 | CVirus | hehe |
| 04:09.31 | raster | ie a small applet that gets executed onb every incoming call if the number is unknown |
| 04:09.43 | raster | and in the background can try and figure out how it is via other means |
| 04:09.51 | CVirus | exactly |
| 04:09.54 | raster | in c suhc an app would be 500 lines |
| 04:10.00 | mwester | needs that for business use. |
| 04:10.05 | raster | as just he base setup costs of c are higher |
| 04:10.06 | CVirus | Python + FSO |
| 04:10.19 | mwester | Seriously - that's where the funding for that would come from. |
| 04:10.19 | raster | but for large apps the base cost diminishes as the big app's infra takes over |
| 04:10.38 | mwester | Write the tools as an integration with salesforce.com -- people will pay for is. |
| 04:10.43 | mwester | s/is/it/ |
| 04:10.45 | raster | mwester: yup |
| 04:10.56 | raster | guaranteed vertical market there |
| 04:11.09 | mwester | If you write it correctly, it could easly be used for facebook too |
| 04:11.20 | raster | being able to "save" the audio for a call |
| 04:11.31 | mwester | Ooh yeah! |
| 04:11.35 | raster | and at the ned of the call send a .ogg (low bitrate/quality) to your sales partner |
| 04:11.37 | raster | or manager |
| 04:11.51 | mwester | Just upload it as an attachment to the customer record... |
| 04:11.59 | raster | little tiny extensiosn that link together networks, social networks company infra (email/ldap/whatever) and your phone |
| 04:12.01 | mwester | when you find a wifi you can use. |
| 04:12.09 | raster | yup |
| 04:12.15 | raster | THATS the power of an open phone |
| 04:12.19 | mwester | yep |
| 04:12.32 | rooly|away | erm...also |
| 04:12.34 | CVirus | I just love brainstorming |
| 04:12.35 | raster | honestly the "make the hw specs open" and a lot of the other open stuff is a distraction |
| 04:12.35 | rooly|away | the settings app |
| 04:12.37 | rooly|away | exposure |
| 04:12.37 | raster | its cool |
| 04:12.40 | raster | and its a base to work on |
| 04:12.47 | rooly|away | erm...why does it not like my wifi's? |
| 04:12.57 | raster | but the real shiny sparkly stuff that will make an open phone more than just a niche geek toy is this kind of stuff |
| 04:13.00 | mwester | minor detail, rooly|away |
| 04:13.04 | mwester | wifi is broken |
| 04:13.06 | mwester | badly |
| 04:13.21 | raster | that will take open to the market and shopw that its much mroe than a wild nerd fantasy |
| 04:13.52 | mwester | It'll show that RIM had the right idea, but their execution was totally wrong (proprietary) |
| 04:14.11 | mwester | and that apple got closer, but their ego killed them. |
| 04:14.22 | raster | yup |
| 04:14.24 | raster | bingo |
| 04:14.31 | raster | and 1 manfuacturer or vendor |
| 04:14.32 | raster | like rim |
| 04:14.33 | raster | or appl |
| 04:14.37 | mwester | and that Palm got really close, and nobody knows what exactly happened to Palm... :( |
| 04:14.41 | raster | CANt integrate to EVERY little system out there |
| 04:14.43 | raster | be it ldap |
| 04:14.47 | raster | or facebook |
| 04:14.50 | raster | or salesforce.com |
| 04:14.59 | raster | or name 500+ more data sources/sharing systems etc. |
| 04:15.09 | rooly|away | google apps? |
| 04:15.11 | raster | u just cant cover the stuff in 1 place |
| 04:15.13 | raster | so.. make it open |
| 04:15.20 | raster | let others cover it themselves |
| 04:15.27 | raster | hehe |
| 04:15.30 | raster | poor palm |
| 04:15.42 | mwester | rooly|away: out-google google? |
| 04:15.52 | rooly|away | dude |
| 04:15.56 | rooly|away | that would so totally rock |
| 04:16.19 | rooly|away | ya know...people keep talking about the gta's eventually running android |
| 04:16.42 | rooly|away | but is android foss? |
| 04:16.46 | zash | rooly|away: no |
| 04:16.55 | zash | "we're going to" |
| 04:17.02 | rooly|away | so yeah. that would kinda hurt the "open" part of an open source phone |
| 04:17.03 | mattl | it will be, i'm told. |
| 04:17.16 | CVirus | android is apache license iirc |
| 04:17.20 | rooly|away | yeah, and duke nukem forever is expected 3rd quarter 09 |
| 04:17.27 | CVirus | ROFL |
| 04:17.29 | zash | bah |
| 04:17.35 | mattl | rooly|away: gta02 is not an open source phone. it's a free phone. |
| 04:17.36 | zash | who wants to be sandboxed |
| 04:17.37 | zash | and use java |
| 04:18.40 | raster | we all love java |
| 04:18.41 | raster | yay! |
| 04:18.52 | mattl | java is free now. |
| 04:18.56 | rooly|away | yeah. no. my coffee tasted bad the other day |
| 04:19.02 | mattl | but yeah, it is still odd. |
| 04:22.20 | nemik | will kernel even be modifiable on android? |
| 04:22.30 | zash | nemik: most likley not |
| 04:22.42 | CVirus | I think I'm going back to gentoo |
| 04:23.17 | mwester | why so? |
| 04:23.18 | zash | android gives freedom to telecos and such, not end users |
| 04:23.41 | mwester | I heard there will be a "kill switch" in android... |
| 04:24.14 | nemik | yea, they want to be able to recall some apps |
| 04:25.11 | mattl | zash: once we have the source, under a free license, we can do something cool with it. |
| 04:25.49 | nemik | anyone got the new feenec mozilla mobile working on the freerunner? |
| 04:25.56 | nemik | err fennec |
| 04:25.58 | zash | or .. do something cool with openmoko .. now .. ... |
| 04:27.33 | zash | nemik: apparently |
| 04:27.45 | mattl | zash: absolutely. there's no reason why we can't take some cool google work and put it into OM though |
| 04:28.57 | zash | mattl: :D i think it should be easier to make android apps work on openmoko than, like, the reverse |
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| 04:29.17 | mattl | heh. |
| 04:29.32 | zash | but iduno |
| 04:29.33 | jeffszusz | hola |
| 04:30.42 | raster | ptoohey's at android |
| 04:30.52 | raster | i fart in your general direction |
| 04:30.53 | jeffszusz | anyone know if the Neo is going to be ready for consumers soon? :P *waves his wallet around over his non-developer-brainpan* |
| 04:31.06 | raster | jeffszusz: zero chance |
| 04:31.09 | jeffszusz | gha |
| 04:31.20 | raster | well maybe if u use the qtexetnded images |
| 04:31.29 | raster | and hope kernel and other hardrware/drvier bugs get solved |
| 04:31.37 | mwester | Give that until Christmas, at the earliest |
| 04:31.53 | mwester | Assuming the Glamo/resume problem is even solvable. |
| 04:32.00 | jeffszusz | what's february look like? (current phone contract with nonGSM company runs out on it's own then) |
| 04:32.01 | raster | tho a lot of people are holding out for an x based solution thats nicer to developers |
| 04:32.06 | raster | whch will take much longer |
| 04:32.21 | raster | jeffszusz: dicey |
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| 04:32.30 | jeffszusz | hm |
| 04:32.41 | raster | my suggestion |
| 04:32.43 | raster | go to ebay |
| 04:32.53 | raster | nab yourself an old treo650 for about $150 |
| 04:32.58 | raster | u can get the "new" for that |
| 04:33.01 | raster | rusn palmos |
| 04:33.03 | raster | and works |
| 04:33.06 | raster | is reliable |
| 04:33.10 | raster | and cheap |
| 04:33.17 | jeffszusz | hm |
| 04:33.18 | raster | u can also boot linux on it for playtime |
| 04:33.30 | raster | and then wait for freeruner to stabilise |
| 04:33.34 | raster | if it isnt stable by feb |
| 04:33.40 | raster | u wont spend much $ |
| 04:33.49 | raster | and u will have a working phone unlocked for any network |
| 04:33.57 | raster | and if u get a fr later |
| 04:34.03 | raster | u have a toy to hack wioth and throw linux onto |
| 04:34.11 | raster | other than that the treo is quite nice |
| 04:34.38 | KenYoung | I imagine it won't work on a 700p Treo, right? |
| 04:34.46 | jeffszusz | i was looking at the n95 or n96 or the sony ericsson xperia, if the Freerunner wasn't ready soon |
| 04:34.53 | nemik | do you guys use the FR as your primary phone? |
| 04:34.54 | raster | as best i know |
| 04:35.01 | raster | 650 is well under way for supoprt |
| 04:35.05 | raster | some suspend/resume stuff to fix |
| 04:35.19 | raster | and battery meter reading and it woudl be close to fr in functionality |
| 04:35.29 | raster | 680 is almsot the same as 650 |
| 04:35.33 | raster | no idea beyond that tho |
| 04:35.39 | KenYoung | zut |
| 04:35.53 | raster | nemik: i like to actually recieve calls. so no. :) |
| 04:36.09 | raster | need to let fso mature |
| 04:37.09 | nemik | :( shame. i'm on the fence for trying one, but seems like i won't leave my ericsson for it |
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| 04:40.57 | Infoport | well I have looked through man pages for cp and scp, and still not sure if either can preserve devnodes. I've got rootfs backed up to jffs2 files and want to mount-n-transfer |
| 04:42.22 | raster | nemik: basically if u want an extra toy to play with that may eventually be able to be your phone |
| 04:42.24 | raster | fr is good |
| 04:42.26 | raster | get it |
| 04:42.27 | raster | play |
| 04:42.29 | raster | have fun |
| 04:42.46 | raster | but i would not use it as your one and only phone |
| 04:42.56 | raster | its barely creeping up to that point righ tnow |
| 04:43.10 | raster | and i'td have to be solidly and well proven there before i would do that |
| 04:43.29 | nemik | makes sense |
| 04:43.33 | BobOfDoom | KenYoung: most (all?) the active develoeprs who've been working on the palm pdas and phones are in areas that don't have CDMA. IIRC 700p is CDMA phone? |
| 04:43.35 | Infoport | nemik it is my only phone, but I dont use the phone that much, and power mgmt is still not great |
| 04:43.51 | mwester | Infoport: if you are doing this over a network, then tar is your best bet. |
| 04:43.54 | KenYoung | BobOfDoom, Yes, it is CDMA. |
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| 04:44.48 | KenYoung | BobOfDoom, I'd be happy to run linux on my 700p even without phone functions. |
| 04:44.50 | Infoport | mwester I would either be using USB networking, or put the SD card into a usb-drive and plug into host |
| 04:46.28 | mwester | Ok, if you put into a usb-drive, then see what happens if you use the -a options with cp, if yours has that. Also note that you'll have to copy as root, as only root can create dev nodes and preserve permissions on the host. |
| 04:46.51 | mwester | That's primarily why most folks use tar files to do the copy/backups; it's just easier with perms. |
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| 04:48.07 | Infoport | ok...SNL has gotten slow, I think it is time to reimage my SD boot |
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| 04:49.12 | Infoport | does anybody know of a FREE method to open the OM CAD files? I have wanted to use Shapeways.com cheap 3D printing, and make a prototype back |
| 04:51.30 | nemik | Infoport: http://www.osalt.com/autocad maybe one of those? |
| 04:51.53 | zash | fennec seems pretty good |
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| 05:11.36 | Infoport | nemik do you know if any of those CAD programs handle ProE, STEP or IGES files? I wish to open the published CAD files from OM |
| 05:14.11 | Infoport | err...got to overcome the automount-with-nodev before transferring to the USBdrive |
| 05:14.13 | nemik | no idea, sorry |
| 05:14.56 | Infoport | nemik well I will poke around on that site and see if it can tell me enough about the apps to find one. Thanks! |
| 05:15.05 | nemik | no problem |
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| 05:33.44 | Infoport | wow copying rootfs via a USBdrive (with SD inside) was so quick that I wasnt sure it had worked correctly |
| 05:34.34 | raster | sync |
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| 05:58.12 | Infoport | hmm BRL-CAD seems to come for Linux as an archive full of .h files waiting to be compiled (plus my archive has an "unexpected EOF") |
| 05:59.48 | Infoport | I dont mind compiling, but I'd love for their wiki to tell me if it handles the right formats first (or give some compile instructions) |
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| 06:20.12 | Infoport | grrr...BRL-CAD doesn't seem to be downloading well for me. anybody know of a free CAD program that can open a format given out by OM?(ie Pro/E, STEP, or IGES) |
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| 06:32.09 | gurugentoo | Infoport: sadly, no and I've looked pretty hard |
| 06:32.45 | gurugentoo | I have an old student version of pro-e2000 that I use |
| 06:34.46 | Infoport | gurugentoo are you able to convert the ProE files into another format with it? I would love to have it (and so would the wiki) |
| 06:39.12 | Infoport | gurugentoo Shapeways.com is selling on-demand 3D printing, and has a sale on black for $0.97/cm3 through the 19th (today) but I havent been able to use the CAD files yet |
| 06:43.58 | gurugentoo | Infoport: the ekport options are very limited, though stl I believe is available |
| 06:44.09 | gurugentoo | er |
| 06:44.30 | gurugentoo | s/export/ekport/ |
| 06:45.06 | gurugentoo | yay for close together keys |
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| 06:51.42 | Infoport | gurugentoo STL would be good, although the wiki is also hoping for DXF. I *think* I have seen STL supported by a free app though |
| 06:52.31 | gurugentoo | I'm not sure about exporting dxf...only 2-d as far as I know |
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| 06:55.08 | gurugentoo | wow, I didn't realize how many parts there were inside |
| 06:56.16 | Infoport | gurugentoo Blender supports STL, so that would work! if you are able to export it, they would love it on the OM wiki, and I would love a copy too |
| 06:57.22 | gurugentoo | I'll take a look and see what I can come up with...I'm not sure this version will open the newer pro-e files but |
| 06:57.32 | gurugentoo | I'll try with the other formats |
| 06:58.37 | gurugentoo | ya, no-go on opening pro-e wildfire parts in proe2000i |
| 06:58.41 | Infoport | gurugentoo thanks! I'm more interested in the GTA02 files, but I'm sure others would appreciate the Neo files if you can |
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| 07:07.12 | Infoport | gurugentoo well thanks for trying to convert the files...hopefully someone with a newer version will convert them at some point |
| 07:08.50 | Infoport | gurugentoo I wonder why OM hasn't converted the files to STL themselves-- surely they must have software that opens _their_ files |
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| 07:17.47 | gurugentoo | Infoport: ah ok igs import works fine |
| 07:21.00 | gurugentoo | woah, some of these are really ocmplex |
| 07:21.05 | gurugentoo | complex |
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| 07:27.05 | Infoport | gurugentoo *grin* I'll bet they are! probably makes using Shapeways.com a little beyond reach unless they are simplified, but it would be great to start with orig, exact specs from OM |
| 07:29.31 | gurugentoo | well I'm guessing you're not interested in the random internal pieces like the sim/microSD card holder I was looking at |
| 07:30.04 | gurugentoo | there are so many files that it's not immediately apparent which ones are the outer housing |
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| 07:31.34 | gurugentoo | well I'm off... |
| 07:32.09 | Infoport | gurugentoo well, eventually I am interested in the whole thing, but yeah the back is what I was thinking of immediately |
| 07:32.54 | Infoport | gurugentoo do you think you would be able to export that to STL some time? |
| 07:35.02 | Infoport | gurugentoo if you can export them, and I'm not around, they'd love to host on openmoko.org |
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| 08:22.07 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rbd00451a09fa 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: move 'assert' to logger.warning, if unknown GSM number type found |
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| 08:34.36 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:50.45 | KaZeR | when i boot from my uSD card, / is mounted ro, what did i do wrong? |
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| 08:55.53 | BobOfDoom | KaZeR: maybe you forgot to remount it rw? ;-) |
| 08:56.23 | Gromgull | Does anyone know how I can make /dev/root appear? |
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| 08:56.45 | Gromgull | mount says it's mounted, i'd like to mount it again for backing it up |
| 08:57.28 | Gromgull | i guess it's hidden by udev remounting /dev |
| 08:58.35 | KaZeR | BobOfDoom, i did it via the terminal, otherwise ssh can't be started. but i'm using FDOM, and it should be done automatically |
| 08:58.47 | KaZeR | i've also noticed a message about that at the early stage of boot |
| 08:59.19 | BobOfDoom | there's a few possibilies |
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| 08:59.33 | BobOfDoom | 1. you've got "ro" in your kernel command-line |
| 08:59.49 | raster | bad ro |
| 08:59.50 | raster | bad |
| 09:00.03 | BobOfDoom | or in the fstab |
| 09:00.20 | BobOfDoom | 2. your partition is screwed and it's going ro to fsck |
| 09:00.32 | BobOfDoom | 3. your /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh is stuffed |
| 09:00.47 | raster | 4. the world just hates you |
| 09:01.39 | BobOfDoom | Gromgull: it'll be one of /dev/mtdblockX if you mean the flash partition |
| 09:02.11 | BobOfDoom | /dev/mtdblock6 in fact |
| 09:02.13 | Gromgull | thanks bob - I realised I could just use tar for backup now |
| 09:02.37 | Gromgull | I just want to have a way to backtrack if applying the testing updates to stable 2008.09 really is as fatal as the say |
| 09:02.38 | BobOfDoom | yeah, that's a better option, save messing with JFFS2.. which is a pain to mount |
| 09:02.50 | BobOfDoom | (on a PC) |
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| 09:03.01 | Gromgull | yeah - I had fun with that yesterday |
| 09:03.08 | Gromgull | it only took one kernel compile to make it work :) |
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| 09:05.01 | fish_ | re |
| 09:08.57 | KaZeR | thanks BobOfDoom & raster. i'll check that |
| 09:09.15 | KaZeR | do you guys hate me? |
| 09:09.55 | raster | i wasn't any help |
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| 09:10.21 | raster | i was just be sataler & waldorf |
| 09:10.34 | raster | err |
| 09:10.36 | raster | statler |
| 09:11.28 | KaZeR | i was just trying to eliminate possibility #4 :) |
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| 09:14.09 | Sylar91 | hi, any news about openmoko 2008.10? |
| 09:15.10 | dolf1074 | they have still 38 tickets open |
| 09:15.43 | Sylar91 | ah... and how many tickets closed? |
| 09:15.52 | dolf1074 | 8 :( |
| 09:16.14 | Sylar91 | doh |
| 09:16.27 | Sylar91 | so we have to wait .... |
| 09:16.33 | dolf1074 | i think |
| 09:16.35 | Sylar91 | and about shr? news? |
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| 09:17.07 | dolf1074 | they are approaching there first release |
| 09:17.26 | Sylar91 | ah... is there also a release day? |
| 09:17.30 | dolf1074 | not yet |
| 09:17.44 | Sylar91 | thanks for infos :P |
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| 09:17.51 | dolf1074 | they has ask testers to test their images |
| 09:18.03 | dolf1074 | 2 days ago |
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| 09:18.25 | dolf1074 | and there are still enough work to do |
| 09:18.31 | dolf1074 | like make sending sms work |
| 09:19.10 | Sylar91 | ah... and the gui? how does it look like? |
| 09:19.29 | raster | same as ever |
| 09:19.42 | dolf1074 | the gui doesn't seem very nice |
| 09:19.52 | Sylar91 | e17+illume? |
| 09:19.57 | raster | yes |
| 09:20.03 | raster | with whatever it is that theme they like |
| 09:20.04 | raster | :) |
| 09:20.42 | Sylar91 | so what's new in shr? the dialer&the phone's part? |
| 09:20.50 | dolf1074 | ow, the global ui is the same as ever (only with to small icons), but the applications they made are also little basic |
| 09:20.54 | Sylar91 | (sorry for my bad english, I'm a student from Italy) |
| 09:21.13 | dolf1074 | a dialer and a message app |
| 09:21.21 | Sylar91 | -.-' |
| 09:21.33 | raster | apologizes for his band english too |
| 09:21.54 | dolf1074 | I think we all speak bad english :p |
| 09:22.03 | Sylar91 | lol |
| 09:22.18 | Sylar91 | the only important thing is to understand... |
| 09:22.27 | dolf1074 | I agree |
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| 09:22.41 | raster | thats the good thing with english |
| 09:22.43 | raster | even if its bad |
| 09:22.46 | raster | everyone understands |
| 09:22.51 | raster | before everyone speaks bad english |
| 09:22.53 | raster | and doesnt care |
| 09:22.54 | raster | :) |
| 09:23.11 | Sylar91 | yes, I agree... mmm but is there any news about boot time improvments? |
| 09:23.29 | dolf1074 | not that i've seen on any source |
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| 09:24.05 | Sylar91 | I speed up debian and get serverx up in 22 seconds... but it is to improve... |
| 09:24.23 | dolf1074 | nice |
| 09:24.47 | Sylar91 | I'm one of the developer of http://telefoninux.projects.openmoko.org/ |
| 09:25.23 | raster | i thinjk boot speedusp havent been done |
| 09:25.29 | raster | more stability/workignness |
| 09:25.36 | Sylar91 | but why not use ibernate? |
| 09:25.38 | raster | aaah |
| 09:25.40 | raster | another one of u |
| 09:25.49 | Sylar91 | what? oO |
| 09:25.53 | dolf1074 | Sylar91: so basicly you're making another distro? |
| 09:26.03 | raster | hibernate reauires extra flahs space for saving |
| 09:26.07 | Sylar91 | yes :S |
| 09:26.09 | raster | and as such u cant RELY on there being an sd card |
| 09:26.18 | raster | so itsgeenerally a silly idea imho |
| 09:26.19 | Sylar91 | raster: it isn't a real problem... |
| 09:26.24 | raster | u never want to "boot anyway" |
| 09:26.30 | raster | once its stabel all u do is suspend (to ram) |
| 09:26.33 | raster | and unsuspend |
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| 09:26.52 | raster | and the same problems with suspend to ram exist with hibernate to disk |
| 09:26.54 | Sylar91 | I think suspend to ram isn't the best idea... |
| 09:26.58 | raster | so until suspend to ram is 100% solid |
| 09:27.08 | raster | well it'd be better to zero-clock |
| 09:27.15 | raster | but thats further off - if ever |
| 09:27.28 | dolf1074 | Sylar91: i've your distro is stable and fast (and have lot's of apps like fdom), I will switch ;) |
| 09:27.28 | raster | hibernate is not an option |
| 09:27.35 | BobOfDoom | mmm I've been looking at some OMAP presentations about zero clocking |
| 09:27.36 | raster | not for "power saving" |
| 09:27.36 | BobOfDoom | really nice |
| 09:27.43 | raster | as u need gsm for example to be alive |
| 09:27.44 | raster | and rtc |
| 09:27.45 | BobOfDoom | they can turn off the CPU without calling linux's suspend stuff |
| 09:27.49 | BobOfDoom | lose all state |
| 09:27.50 | raster | as u have to wake up on interrupts |
| 09:27.53 | raster | and do it really fast |
| 09:27.55 | BobOfDoom | and back on for the next tick |
| 09:27.56 | raster | like within a few ms |
| 09:28.09 | raster | BobOfDoom: i know. its awesome |
| 09:28.12 | Sylar91 | mmm I'll see |
| 09:28.16 | raster | BobOfDoom: its what we should get on the pxa |
| 09:28.31 | raster | BobOfDoom: as "best as possible" for the treo |
| 09:28.35 | Sylar91 | news about gta3? |
| 09:28.36 | raster | it frankly is the one-true power saving technique |
| 09:28.41 | raster | suspend to ram etc. is just an ugly hack |
| 09:29.07 | BobOfDoom | yeah, I don't think there's anything stopping it from working on the PXA either, it's just gonna be a lot of effort to iron out all the driver issues |
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| 09:30.39 | raster | BobOfDoom: yeah. i cant rememebr but i think standby is the mode we want |
| 09:31.00 | raster | but zero clock is just awesome |
| 09:31.07 | raster | asu just "dont care" about suspend/resume |
| 09:31.21 | raster | u just care abotu shutting down as many powersucking systems as u can whenever u can |
| 09:31.25 | raster | and dont poll stuff |
| 09:31.35 | raster | (or do it very infrequently) |
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| 09:34.09 | BobOfDoom | really all PCs should do it, desktops too |
| 09:34.25 | BobOfDoom | "instant on" and save power whenever idle |
| 09:36.27 | raster | yup |
| 09:36.43 | raster | and kernels shoudl damn well lose that damn tick |
| 09:36.52 | raster | jiffies are for whimps |
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| 09:39.04 | raster | sy btw. tell me more on telefonix |
| 09:39.09 | raster | what on earth are u trying to do? |
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| 09:40.15 | raster | is it just fso on debian? |
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| 09:44.14 | bumbl | raster: does debian on the freerunner have e17? |
| 09:44.21 | raster | no |
| 09:45.15 | bumbl | :( |
| 09:46.52 | raster | ask the debain port guys to make packages |
| 09:46.53 | raster | :) |
| 09:46.58 | raster | its all built and supported in OE |
| 09:47.46 | Wonka | e17 is not even in unstable on debian i386/amd64, only experimental... that might be it... |
| 09:48.06 | raster | tho i have to say |
| 09:48.13 | raster | i dont see the fascination of debian on fr |
| 09:48.17 | raster | its big and fat |
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| 09:48.20 | raster | it doesnt fit on flash |
| 09:48.33 | raster | aksi the e packages ont contain packages for illuem as a module |
| 09:48.39 | raster | or the right config to make it work well |
| 09:49.36 | bumbl | yeah - so i will go for latest fso unstable and your illume.edj (they shoud be compatible) |
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| 09:49.48 | raster | u will also need illume config |
| 09:49.55 | raster | (default config profile) |
| 09:50.12 | raster | i have been considering possibly merging illume int e's core tree |
| 09:50.16 | raster | not enabled by default |
| 09:50.22 | raster | but ship the illume config with e17 |
| 09:50.32 | raster | so all u need to do is flip to the illume profile and bingo |
| 09:50.43 | raster | can have e's default theme build an illume theme as well |
| 09:51.03 | raster | a a better merging of the 2 upstream |
| 09:52.20 | bumbl | although i like illume's new default theme by far more than e's desktop default theme |
| 09:52.55 | raster | illume's theme *IS* e's theme |
| 09:52.56 | Gromgull | raster, the debian port guys say they are waiting for another illume snapshot to be released... |
| 09:53.06 | raster | the new b&w one that will be e's new default once its 100% feature complete |
| 09:53.12 | Gromgull | i dont know why ... |
| 09:53.27 | raster | Gromgull: not sure why they have to wait for snaps |
| 09:53.31 | raster | but hey |
| 09:53.37 | raster | i'm in no hurry to support debian |
| 09:53.40 | raster | got code to write |
| 09:54.27 | bumbl | raster: ah good to hear that theme looks awesome |
| 09:55.05 | raster | i've been polishing opff some last small todo items for the theme to be complete |
| 09:55.46 | dns53 | raster are you going to do anything with your demo image or is it just there to show illume done right? |
| 09:55.50 | bumbl | hmm i should rebuild e17 too |
| 09:55.56 | bumbl | on my desktop |
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| 09:56.46 | raster | dns53: i have added fsao back in |
| 09:56.49 | raster | but not zhone |
| 09:56.59 | raster | as its a bit intrusive and doesnt work well on on vga screens |
| 09:57.10 | raster | eventually i will profide dialler and sms editor |
| 09:57.12 | raster | and other apps |
| 09:57.21 | raster | alarm is there - tho doesnt work on wakeup from suspend |
| 09:57.32 | raster | bit by bit add things in |
| 09:57.39 | raster | i shoul have a notepad app easily done soon |
| 09:57.56 | dns53 | it looks fantastic so i'd be happy to use it once it is usable as a phone and i can run tango gps on it |
| 09:58.06 | raster | likely contacts will be last |
| 09:58.10 | raster | as its the more complex of them |
| 09:58.14 | raster | dialler is really easy |
| 09:58.23 | raster | (if its just entering a phone numebr to dial) |
| 09:58.30 | raster | handlign incoming calls is next easiest |
| 09:58.44 | raster | etc. |
| 09:59.09 | bumbl | dns53: using tangogps is easy to |
| 09:59.16 | bumbl | if fso is already installed |
| 09:59.32 | bumbl | just install tangogps and use fso-gpsd |
| 10:00.04 | dns53 | yeah i'll have to do that soon |
| 10:02.05 | bumbl | hmm e and illume + dialer,... + fso backend + roadmap or navit + stable = awesome |
| 10:02.17 | raster | bit by bit |
| 10:02.23 | bumbl | yeah |
| 10:02.24 | raster | i'm just working on the bits i know best first |
| 10:02.29 | raster | and polishing that turd |
| 10:02.41 | raster | FSO team is doing their stuff |
| 10:02.48 | raster | i hope om gets stability in hand |
| 10:03.03 | raster | mapping - havent thought of it |
| 10:03.11 | raster | there's a zillion map apps nowe |
| 10:03.12 | raster | now |
| 10:03.22 | raster | thats just added bonuses to me right now |
| 10:03.32 | raster | i might later do a nice media player |
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| 10:03.37 | raster | as thats trivial to do with efl |
| 10:03.49 | raster | photo browser |
| 10:03.53 | bumbl | enjoy looks quite nice but an efl one would be nice too |
| 10:04.05 | raster | enjoy uses efl |
| 10:06.27 | Gromgull | hmm - updating to 2008.08 testing makes the freerunner no longer boot :( |
| 10:06.31 | Gromgull | it's stuck at "loading system" |
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| 10:06.53 | Gromgull | perhaps applying the testing packages wasn't such a good idea after all :) |
| 10:07.57 | Shlee | OM with working sleep/resume. increased battery life, working dialer, address book, sms and a volume control.... win |
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| 10:08.27 | bumbl | raster: i thought guarana is not a part of the efl |
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| 10:08.50 | raster | right now me ans gustave are a bit at odds on gurana vs elementary |
| 10:08.58 | raster | because hwe developed it closed to start with |
| 10:09.00 | bumbl | raster: i know |
| 10:09.05 | raster | at the same time as me doign elementary openly |
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| 10:09.11 | raster | but he wants it to be used |
| 10:09.19 | raster | so either we split ala etk vs ewl |
| 10:09.20 | raster | or we merge |
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| 10:09.27 | raster | he wants me to use grn |
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| 10:09.34 | cjb_ie | notes #openmoko has ten nicks in common with #osm (openstreetmap channel) on oftc. |
| 10:09.34 | raster | right nwo grn is not abale to do the things i need |
| 10:10.09 | raster | and i have a paying client that wants stuff |
| 10:10.28 | raster | and they want 3rd parties to depend on the elementary api |
| 10:10.41 | raster | so there will come a point where one will have mroe momentum than the other |
| 10:10.47 | raster | and the other will eithe r continu to compete |
| 10:10.49 | raster | or need to merge |
| 10:10.52 | raster | or give up |
| 10:11.01 | bumbl | i don't see the problem with elementary and guarana coexisting until the better one survives |
| 10:11.23 | raster | sure |
| 10:11.26 | raster | also different goals |
| 10:11.34 | raster | grn started as a set-top-box ui solution |
| 10:11.37 | bumbl | it won't be good to force a merge |
| 10:11.37 | raster | for tv screens |
| 10:11.40 | raster | and remote controls |
| 10:11.47 | raster | elm started for touchscreen ui's on phones |
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| 10:11.51 | raster | ie tiny screens |
| 10:12.00 | raster | the good thing tho is |
| 10:12.02 | raster | unlike etk and ewl |
| 10:12.07 | raster | they both live on the same evas layer |
| 10:12.21 | raster | u literally shoudl be able to pack a gn widget into an elm container |
| 10:12.23 | raster | and vice-versa |
| 10:12.38 | raster | maybe the will need to co-exist |
| 10:12.48 | raster | and service 2 customer bases - ie evolution paths |
| 10:13.01 | raster | but they can happily coexist as we agree ont he same "boundary conditions" |
| 10:13.13 | raster | ie both use evas_objects as the base primitive |
| 10:13.38 | raster | use the same hints/parames in the same way (min/max size, align, weight - we currently agree on the same interpretations there) |
| 10:14.07 | raster | so i see currently no reason why in the near future u can put a grn combobox into an elm table |
| 10:14.18 | raster | or a elm clock widget into a grn layout |
| 10:14.19 | raster | etc. |
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| 10:14.33 | bumbl | yeah that would be a good solution |
| 10:14.44 | raster | so u basically have 2 toyboxes to choose from |
| 10:14.47 | raster | u can use just one |
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| 10:14.48 | raster | or just the other |
| 10:14.51 | raster | or mix and match |
| 10:14.57 | raster | depending on what u need |
| 10:15.21 | bumbl | raster: and is there a deadline given by swisscom until when they want to have a more or less usable image? |
| 10:15.38 | raster | hmmm kind of a bit fuzzy there |
| 10:15.44 | raster | but definitely withint ht next 4 months |
| 10:15.52 | raster | within the |
| 10:16.07 | bumbl | hmm sounds good |
| 10:16.27 | bumbl | my old phone sucks more every single day |
| 10:16.29 | raster | fixing up the illume image was also me just making a solid base for them to work on that at least 1. integrates with fso (all i did was comment out the fso packages that annoyed me for now) |
| 10:16.37 | raster | and i added elementary and the alarm app etc. |
| 10:16.41 | raster | and configured everything up nicely |
| 10:16.53 | raster | all swisscom will want in the end is likelyt their bubblekbd |
| 10:17.14 | raster | (its on a low priority list for me to fix that up to properly do the vkbd protocol stuff and do hints right etc.) |
| 10:17.22 | raster | and then do branding graphics stuff |
| 10:17.34 | raster | for me - i'm shipping the b&w look that is the new e17 look |
| 10:17.41 | raster | everything is b&w |
| 10:17.49 | raster | maybe with the odd splash of red |
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| 10:20.08 | bumbl | i'm looking forward to it |
| 10:22.25 | raster | in the meantime you guys can write some cool apps for stuff |
| 10:22.34 | raster | theres tonnes of stuff that could be written |
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| 10:34.48 | Gromgull | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.07 | rhkfin | If I'm running FDOM and want to try pingus, I need newed sdl packages. Can I manually download them from testing/how likely it is to break my fdom? Upgrading to testing.. I've had some bad experiences about that :) |
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| 10:40.46 | bumbl | i would manually download the sdl packages and only the sdl packages |
| 10:41.28 | KaZeR | i'm trying to updage my NAND menu, but my save aren't stored on reboot (yes, i did saveenv :) ) can anyone tell me what's wrong? log : http://pastebin.com/m622b889d |
| 10:41.37 | rhkfin | bumbl: yep, that's the plan.. |
| 10:42.22 | Gromgull | ah - the broken boot is a known problem: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2071 |
| 10:43.12 | bumbl | yeah caused by wifi afaik |
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| 10:47.20 | ulf | hi |
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| 10:47.55 | Gromgull | the fix given on the ticket page works though |
| 10:48.02 | Gromgull | editting the exquisite startup file |
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| 10:52.06 | Gromgull | and now it boots - but usb networking is broken |
| 10:53.22 | rhkfin | Anyone know if ssh through wlan is disabled by default in FDOM? |
| 10:53.23 | Gromgull | and the testing image doesn't even have the settings app |
| 10:53.31 | Gromgull | so I cant join my wifi |
| 10:54.21 | Gromgull | and I can't turn off suspend... |
| 10:54.24 | Gromgull | this is a great experience :) |
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| 11:00.23 | SpeedEvil | Headlines designed to confuse. http://www.gallowaygazette.co.uk/latest-scottish-news/Hospitals-get-new-C-diff.4606675.jp |
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| 11:04.39 | ulf | Gromgull: you can turn off suspend by pressing the power button about 3 seconds |
| 11:05.08 | ulf | Gromgull: in that menu what you get there, is powermanagement - disable |
| 11:05.28 | Gromgull | doesn't pressing the power button trigger shutdown? |
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| 11:06.34 | ronny | Gromgull: pressing it LONG TIME does, short time will jsut standby it |
| 11:06.47 | Gromgull | and inbetween will launch settings? |
| 11:06.52 | Gromgull | ok, i'll try |
| 11:06.54 | ulf | Gromgull: not if you don't press too long |
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| 11:37.46 | Gromgull | ulf: are you sure? I really cannot find the magic time between short click on powerbutton to suspend and long click to shutdown |
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| 11:38.00 | Gromgull | you say this will bring up a menu? |
| 11:38.10 | Gromgull | why is there not settings application anymore anyway? |
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| 11:41.53 | ulf | Gromgull: what OS do you run on your openmoko? |
| 11:42.05 | Gromgull | 2008.09 testing |
| 11:42.07 | ulf | Gromgull: Om2008.8? |
| 11:42.23 | Gromgull | the bleeding edge |
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| 11:42.27 | ulf | Gromgull: hm, ok, and which revision do you have? |
| 11:42.47 | Gromgull | sorry :) this info was in the initial questions... i installed testing, it has no settings app and usb networking doesn't work |
| 11:42.52 | ulf | Gromgull: look for Revision at cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:42.55 | Gromgull | So I can't get access to it in any way |
| 11:43.06 | Gromgull | hardware revision? v5... i guess |
| 11:43.22 | Gromgull | i flashed the daily image testing image today |
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| 11:44.20 | ulf | hm, ok, i have the 2008.9 running but not the daily, so maybe there are some diffs there? |
| 11:45.06 | Gromgull | i wanted something more up to date that testing, i tried updating with the testing repositories, but this failed |
| 11:45.12 | Gromgull | i.e. the result wouldnt boto |
| 11:45.18 | Gromgull | so I went to flashing the testing image |
| 11:45.20 | ulf | Gromgull: if i press power for 3-4 sek i get a menu where i could choose poweroff or suspend and some other |
| 11:45.25 | Gromgull | right |
| 11:45.31 | Gromgull | here it just says shutdown |
| 11:45.34 | Gromgull | immediately |
| 11:45.47 | ulf | interessting |
| 11:46.12 | ulf | so, that saves me time not to try the daily testing image |
| 11:46.15 | Gromgull | but the real problem is that without settings to join a wifi network and without working usb, i can do nothing |
| 11:46.16 | Gromgull | :) |
| 11:46.17 | Gromgull | es |
| 11:46.18 | Gromgull | yes |
| 11:47.31 | ulf | Gromgull: hm, no wifi no usb, i would install new image on the micro sd and boot from there |
| 11:48.30 | Gromgull | i have debian on the sd |
| 11:48.35 | Gromgull | so this is fine |
| 11:48.41 | Gromgull | then I can chroot into /mnt/flash and make it work |
| 11:48.42 | Gromgull | i guess |
| 11:49.49 | ulf | Gromgull: yes, that should work |
| 11:50.20 | Gromgull | but this isn't the ideal way for new people to try the bleeding edge :) |
| 11:50.20 | ulf | Gromgull: how is the debian image? does it work good, i mean everything working? |
| 11:50.34 | Gromgull | yep - suspend works well, phone features ok |
| 11:50.38 | Gromgull | no illume though |
| 11:50.41 | Gromgull | so I have xfce |
| 11:50.42 | Gromgull | which is nice |
| 11:50.47 | Gromgull | it's like a mini-computer |
| 11:50.50 | Gromgull | but not so much as a phone |
| 11:51.51 | ulf | but standard phone apps work? like sms handling, making calls? |
| 11:52.10 | Gromgull | i've not tried sms ... calls work well |
| 11:52.15 | Gromgull | good audio quality actually |
| 11:52.21 | Gromgull | good battery life as well - it seems |
| 11:52.26 | Gromgull | zhone is quite limited though |
| 11:52.44 | Gromgull | but I guess you can also install qtopia phone stack |
| 11:53.27 | ulf | qtopica 4.3.3 i have on my sd |
| 11:55.20 | ulf | the standard phone features work much better with qtopia but i don't know if there is a differnce to qtextendet |
| 11:57.06 | dns53 | it is an improvement |
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| 12:13.00 | akus | hi |
| 12:14.01 | akus | exist a python module to work in bluetooth in openmoko ? |
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| 12:14.37 | Hire | talk about it with raster |
| 12:15.45 | akus | ok Hire |
| 12:16.11 | Hire | invokes raster |
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| 12:16.22 | akus | :-) |
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| 12:17.21 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess Mickey is the python-man |
| 12:18.46 | Hire | and raster is the efl-man :) |
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| 12:18.56 | Hire | ah yem |
| 12:19.02 | Hire | i have do a mistaken :\ |
| 12:19.23 | Hire | akus join in #openmoko-cdevel |
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| 12:19.49 | akus | ok Hire |
| 12:20.32 | Hire | flashing FR |
| 12:23.37 | zedstar | akus u could use pretty much any language that has dbus bindings |
| 12:24.34 | Gromgull | hmm - after rebooting in debian and chroot'ing to the testing image and installing terminal and settingsgui and then rebooting back into testing, it appears the problem is that the applications do not appear in teh launcher |
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| 12:28.27 | akus | zedstar, where can i find some examples with bluetooth dbus ? |
| 12:28.54 | zedstar | akus google bluez python |
| 12:30.51 | zedstar | but http://wiki.bluez.org/ has code examples in python, c |
| 12:31.20 | akus | thanks zedstar |
| 12:31.23 | akus | ;-) |
| 12:31.25 | raster | uninvokes himself |
| 12:32.16 | zedstar | sounds painful ;) |
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| 12:32.47 | joan_ | hi |
| 12:34.41 | joan_ | i flashed my neo with neotool updating to om2008.9 rootfs, kernel (uImage correct?) and splash. now the kernel doesn't start up |
| 12:34.46 | joan_ | :( |
| 12:35.35 | ulf | joan_: where did you put the uImage? |
| 12:36.04 | geaaru | hi, i tried to install new om2008.9 on my neo1973 but when i choice boot from microSd from my sd i see that kernel is loaded but then |
| 12:36.21 | geaaru | neo1937 reboot and start flash image 2007.11 |
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| 12:36.36 | geaaru | where could be the problem? thanks in advance |
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| 12:37.10 | geaaru | is there a way to start without splash and see log ? |
| 12:37.24 | joan_ | solved, i was booting the wrong image ;) |
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| 12:38.10 | enaut | hi all |
| 12:39.03 | enaut | does anyone know how I can enable the sms button in zhone on debian and freerunner |
| 12:39.33 | ulf | geaaru: did you delete the boot directory in the second partion on you sd? |
| 12:39.47 | geaaru | no |
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| 12:40.31 | ulf | geaaru: the uImage should just be found on the first partition |
| 12:41.10 | geaaru | k i will try. |
| 12:42.13 | enaut | because it notifies me via audio when a new sms arrives but however there is no possibility to read it. |
| 12:43.16 | flexd_ | Which version of Qtopia should i flash my phone with? |
| 12:43.19 | flexd_ | 4.4.3? |
| 12:43.24 | flexd_ | 4.3.3* |
| 12:43.37 | flexd_ | 4.4.1? |
| 12:43.41 | raster | 7 |
| 12:43.46 | flexd_ | raster: i see. |
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| 12:48.20 | geaaru | ulf: i removed uImage from /boot directory of the second partition (with rootfs) but i have always some problem, i see bootloader that load kernel 2.6.24-.. but then openmoko restart and kernel is 2.6.22-... (with boot from nand) |
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| 13:02.55 | ulf | geaaru: hm, where do you put the uImage on partition 1? |
| 13:03.09 | geaaru | on root / |
| 13:03.26 | ulf | ah ok, you have to put it in /boot |
| 13:03.39 | ulf | but leave it also in / |
| 13:04.05 | geaaru | but kernel is loaded correctly... still from bootloader with ext2load, it is strange |
| 13:04.26 | geaaru | /sbin/init script check /boot directory when start? |
| 13:05.25 | ulf | hm, i got i working with deleting /boot kompletly from the second partition and copied uImage.bin to /boot and / in the first partition |
| 13:07.11 | ulf | +t |
| 13:07.24 | ulf | s/kompletly/complete/ |
| 13:08.10 | geaaru | but uImage inside /boot directory is a link to /uImage or a file equals? |
| 13:08.58 | ulf | i copied the file |
| 13:09.12 | ulf | i didn't try with a link |
| 13:10.42 | geaaru | i try soon. |
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| 13:13.20 | geaaru | doesn't work :'( |
| 13:14.49 | ulf | geaaru: hm, maybe double check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia helps? |
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| 13:24.16 | flexd_ | I have about 150 contacts on my phone (a nokia N80) and i can send them all over bluetooth, but problem is the FR (with qtopia) seems to freeze up. anyone got any good ideas on how i can get them into my phone? |
| 13:24.29 | flexd_ | My sim card is a bit ancient so it can only save like 50 of them :/ |
| 13:29.48 | flexd_ | wtf |
| 13:29.56 | flexd_ | I think i just accidentally deleted 50% of my contacts |
| 13:29.57 | flexd_ | Yay me. |
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| 13:43.29 | ulf | so do i get i right that Qt Extended is the new Qtopia? |
| 13:43.47 | Tm_T | yes |
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| 13:44.38 | flexd_ | argh |
| 13:44.41 | flexd_ | qtopia is being stupid |
| 13:44.55 | flexd_ | The pin keypad thing i get to press is tiny tiny up in the left ocrner :/ |
| 13:45.20 | ulf | Tm_T: but Qtopia is still in development in parallel to Qt Extended right? |
| 13:45.30 | Tm_T | ulf: no |
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| 13:47.34 | ulf | Tm_T: but here http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 i find that "Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02)" Version: 4.3.3 is from 2008/10/16 and "Qt Extended flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02)" Version: 4.4.1 is from 2008/10/3 |
| 13:48.04 | Tm_T | release date |
| 13:48.29 | Tm_T | not related to development directly |
| 13:48.32 | johngay | Great, my phone has gotten confused with time and I can't get it right. |
| 13:51.05 | Kensan | mwester_: ping |
| 13:51.10 | dos1 | hey, is there anythink new about using big (4GB Class 4) SDHC cards with freerunner? |
| 13:51.18 | SpeedEvil | works fine |
| 13:51.34 | dos1 | SpeedEvil: for me no :P |
| 13:51.39 | SpeedEvil | I personally have a 4G in my neo1973. |
| 13:51.45 | flexd_ | Great. |
| 13:51.46 | dos1 | i have lot of mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command errors |
| 13:51.52 | SpeedEvil | I know others have tried 4G in fr |
| 13:51.55 | flexd_ | My phone just stripped every contact i have of norwegian characters >_< |
| 13:52.03 | flexd_ | (æøå specifically) |
| 13:52.03 | dos1 | and kernel isn't able to read/write to my sd card |
| 13:52.07 | flexd_ | UTF-8 much? :( |
| 13:52.08 | dos1 | *but* |
| 13:52.22 | dos1 | u-boot is able to boot kernel from sd card |
| 13:53.45 | dos1 | and sometimes when i'm trying to mount sd partitions, i have screen coruption (like when i'm doing cat some_file > /dev/fb0) |
| 13:53.46 | dos1 | so i think it's problem with glamo-mci stuff in kernel |
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| 13:55.09 | dos1 | playing with sd clock kernel arguments doesn't help |
| 13:57.03 | dos1 | my card - Kingston 4GB Class 4 |
| 13:57.13 | dos1 | u-boots mmcinit returns http://hiciu.pastebin.pl/3015 |
| 14:01.12 | johngay | Well, I can't crack this time problem )-: |
| 14:03.10 | johngay | I've installed ntpclient, setup /etc/localtime to point to /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York date now tells me it's 10:02 but the today screen says it's 14:02 |
| 14:03.44 | cjb_ie | sounds like today screen is reporting UTC |
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| 14:04.14 | dos1 | johngay: openmoko-today2? |
| 14:04.54 | johngay | Originally, I never even set-up localtime, just set date, sync the hwclock and it just worked. But today it was an hour behind. |
| 14:05.01 | johngay | 2007.2 |
| 14:05.21 | johngay | What ever version of today comes with that. |
| 14:05.34 | dos1 | johngay: i have the same problem |
| 14:05.40 | dos1 | openmoko-today2 is only in 2007.2 |
| 14:05.42 | dos1 | ;p |
| 14:06.08 | johngay | I thought it was a screwed up daylight savings time setting, but now I've made it worse. |
| 14:06.24 | dos1 | i have Europe/Warsaw setted, but today is hour behind |
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| 14:07.47 | johngay | I know from LFS that /etc/sysconfig/clock is used to change from UTC or localtime hwclock, but my FR doesn't have this file and I don't want to screw things up more. |
| 14:08.36 | johngay | BTW, I jumped out of a perfectly good airplane yesterday (-; |
| 14:09.03 | johngay | http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img3032tk8.jpg |
| 14:10.12 | flexd_ | Cool |
| 14:10.19 | flexd_ | wants to parachute |
| 14:10.21 | Elleo | johngay: hwclock --set --date=the date is the correct way to set the time on the rtc (or set the time with date then run hwclock --systohc) |
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| 14:10.44 | Elleo | where "the date" is a date compatible string |
| 14:10.51 | Elleo | (see man date for the format) |
| 14:10.57 | emacsen | Is the next official image going to use Raster's e17 illume? |
| 14:11.35 | dos1 | emacsen: afaik no |
| 14:12.00 | emacsen | that's a huge shame. It's beautiful |
| 14:13.37 | johngay | Elleo, I followed -> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Setting_Date_and_Time but now today is 4 hours off? |
| 14:17.31 | Elleo | and you did the hwclock --systohc stage? |
| 14:18.03 | johngay | Yes. |
| 14:18.15 | Elleo | dunno what to suggest then |
| 14:18.30 | emacsen | Now I have to go put qtopia back to make this POS usable |
| 14:18.59 | johngay | It was only off by an hour before I changed /etc/localtime |
| 14:19.06 | dos1 | Elleo, johngay: hwclock and date have nothing to do with it |
| 14:19.23 | dos1 | afair it's bug in lubjana, which is used by openmoko-today2 |
| 14:19.27 | dos1 | libjana* |
| 14:19.33 | Soulnoob | johngay: what is the output of ´date´ ? |
| 14:20.27 | johngay | Sun Oct 19 10:20:02 EDT 2008 |
| 14:22.39 | Soulnoob | (Given the timezone is correct)... what does it show after you set it correctly? |
| 14:23.20 | johngay | That is the correct time, but the today screen is showing 14:20 |
| 14:23.55 | dos1 | for me: |
| 14:23.56 | dos1 | Sun Oct 19 16:23:48 CEST 2008 |
| 14:24.03 | dos1 | and today is showing 14:23 |
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| 14:24.47 | dos1 | i said, this is bug in libjana/openmoko-today2, any other program handles timezone correctly |
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| 14:25.44 | nikolajsheller | I'm having problems getting networking to work with my FR and ubuntu. I've tried the howtos on the wiki, but I'm getting very inconsistent results |
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| 14:26.09 | Soulnoob | ah, I thought I had timezone working, but I did not check that... |
| 14:26.27 | johngay | Anyone got a root tarball of qtextended? I'd like to try it out, but I don't want to flash my phone until I know I'll like it. |
| 14:27.47 | nikolajsheller | I often get "no route to host" when atrying to connect to my FR over UBS |
| 14:28.11 | nikolajsheller | I've tried: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 14:29.03 | Soulnoob | I have to do: "ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 && route add 192.168.0.202 usb0" each time after I disconnect the usb cable. |
| 14:29.32 | Soulnoob | (because I've been too lazy to automate it) |
| 14:29.34 | dos1 | I have to only setup /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:31.38 | nikolajsheller | "ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 && route add 192.168.2.202 usb0" and then |
| 14:31.39 | nikolajsheller | "ssh root@192.168.2.202" gives: "ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.202 port 22: No route to host" |
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| 14:31.59 | Cervajz | good afternoon |
| 14:32.15 | Cervajz | I have a little problem with upgrading Om2008.9 |
| 14:32.27 | nikolajsheller | Cervajz: hello |
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| 14:32.58 | nikolajsheller | dos1: with "# freerunner auto usb0 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.192 post-up /etc/network/freerunner start pre-down /etc/network/freerunner stop" ? |
| 14:33.23 | dos1 | Cervajz: hi! but don't say "good morning" or "good afternoon" - for me it's 16:32 now, for johngay it's 10:32 now, etc. ;] |
| 14:33.51 | Cervajz | dos1: Heh, I'm sorry, here is 16:35 |
| 14:34.10 | dos1 | ;) |
| 14:35.25 | dos1 | nikolajsheller: http://wklej.org/id/11557/ |
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| 14:36.02 | Cervajz | anyway, when I try upgrade something thru Installer, it ends with error : "gpg faiulre" |
| 14:36.09 | Cervajz | I'm sorry for my English |
| 14:36.21 | nikolajsheller | I think this is cosmetic |
| 14:36.24 | dos1 | Cervajz: my english is bad too, i'm from poland ;] |
| 14:36.50 | yabo | Hello, i want to forward a port on my router to a virtual machine (running vmware in windows). Anyone know what i could try? The virtual machine is online with nat and uses the same connection as the windows-machine. |
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| 14:36.54 | dos1 | Cervajz: openmoko repositiories aren't signed, it's normal if it displays on "opkg update" |
| 14:37.01 | Cervajz | dos1: Nice, you're my neighbour (I'm from czech republic) |
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| 14:37.34 | Soulnoob | nikolajsheller: I'm not so good with routing. I put mine on the same subnet as my lan (192.168.0.202) I'm not sure if you have to account for using 2.202 in some way. |
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| 14:38.06 | Cervajz | So I've tried opkg update and opkg upgrate, but there is error with dbus package |
| 14:38.15 | Soulnoob | ...maybe paste the routing table? (tho I'm not the one to tell good from bad) |
| 14:38.16 | nikolajsheller | Soulnoob: ok? and you dont get routing problems with you lan? |
| 14:38.16 | Cervajz | opkg upgrade* |
| 14:38.31 | Gromgull | on 2008.08 - are kernel modules used for usb-ethernet and audio? |
| 14:38.32 | Soulnoob | Not yet, afaik. |
| 14:39.04 | Soulnoob | (Maybe if they are difficult to spot) |
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| 14:40.10 | Cervajz | Wait a moment please, I will post "output" |
| 14:41.00 | Soulnoob | nikolajsheller: hold on, I gotta try connecting to my old server and moko at the same time. |
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| 14:43.32 | Soulnoob | nikolajsheller: I'm having two ssh sessions up now, so I guess not. |
| 14:43.53 | Soulnoob | I could not login tho, I have forgotten what password I used on it. |
| 14:43.55 | Soulnoob | :) |
| 14:43.55 | nikolajsheller | Soulnoob: ok! good news. Thank you for checking! |
| 14:44.21 | nikolajsheller | that a completely different issue :) |
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| 14:47.43 | Venkat | has anybody tried booting openmoko on the ROKR E6 |
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| 14:48.56 | Venkat | hello room |
| 14:49.13 | Gromgull | hello venkat |
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| 14:54.53 | Cervajz | So there is the error message "after opkg -test upgrade": |
| 14:54.53 | Cervajz | Collected errors: |
| 14:54.53 | Cervajz | *Package=dbus-1, 3 matching providers |
| 14:54.53 | Cervajz | *dbus |
| 14:54.54 | Cervajz | *dbus |
| 14:54.56 | Cervajz | Do you know, what it means? |
| 14:54.58 | Cervajz | Thank you |
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| 14:58.41 | Cervajz | By the way, do you know what means "...return value: 17" (opkg install pidgin) |
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| 15:05.43 | johngay | OK. a reboot fixed my time problem. I seem to remember some obsolete O/S that needed rebooting regularly? |
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| 15:08.01 | johngay | Anyone got a root tarball of qtextended? I'd like to try it out, but I don't want to flash my phone until I know I'll like it. |
| 15:11.26 | emacsen | johngay, it's on the wiki |
| 15:11.53 | emacsen | oh sorry, root tarball... |
| 15:11.56 | emacsen | maybe not |
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| 15:16.24 | flexd_ | anyone know about anyone having a norwegian dictionary for the predictive keyboard in qtopia? |
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| 15:18.52 | eragon_ | look at this: http://alasal.be/openmoko/keyboard/ |
| 15:19.06 | eragon_ | and info about installing; http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/09/openmoko-howto-change-your-keyboard.html |
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| 15:31.34 | [Rui] | hi, can someone with Om2008.9 or Om2008.8 do me a favor? |
| 15:31.53 | [Rui] | Basicall just paste to me in /priv the contents of each file in /etc/opkg/* |
| 15:31.57 | [Rui] | :) |
| 15:34.22 | [Rui] | nevermind, I found them somewhere else |
| 15:34.24 | [Rui] | thanks anyway |
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| 15:44.42 | sicu | raster: so what's the name of this b&w e17 theme? |
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| 15:54.53 | Kensan | sicu: http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/THEMES/b_and_w/ |
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| 15:59.17 | sicu | Kensan: thx =] |
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| 16:03.56 | flexd_ | uhuh |
| 16:03.59 | flexd_ | Now the red led is glowing :( |
| 16:04.04 | flexd_ | but why o_0 |
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| 16:04.34 | dos1 | flexd_: is it blinking? |
| 16:04.37 | flexd_ | no |
| 16:04.45 | flexd_ | No blinking, it's just turned on |
| 16:04.49 | dos1 | have you usb cable connected? |
| 16:04.54 | mwester | It's charging |
| 16:05.02 | flexd_ | dos1: i have |
| 16:05.04 | flexd_ | mwester: oh |
| 16:05.14 | flexd_ | It wasnt lit up before when it was charing |
| 16:05.16 | flexd_ | charging* |
| 16:05.35 | dos1 | flexd_: it's buggy |
| 16:05.37 | dos1 | ;) |
| 16:05.45 | mwester | Standard Om-defined behavior -- kinda sums up everything we know about Om --- rather than use the LED by the power button to indicate charging state, they *DEMANDED* to use the red led behind the AUX button. |
| 16:05.48 | flexd_ | now it stopped. |
| 16:05.52 | flexd_ | But still charging |
| 16:06.06 | flexd_ | :/ |
| 16:06.15 | mwester | FSO does it right. |
| 16:06.22 | flexd_ | Red indicates something is bad. |
| 16:06.33 | mwester | That's what many folks tried to tell them. |
| 16:07.10 | sicu | so what's the blue light then ... usb connected but not charging ? |
| 16:07.24 | flexd_ | sicu: wireless/bluetooth |
| 16:07.25 | flexd_ | and argh |
| 16:07.32 | flexd_ | it keeps suspending even though i told it not to |
| 16:07.34 | flexd_ | SSH dies then :/ |
| 16:07.46 | mickeyl | blue light = fully charged |
| 16:08.23 | sicu | mickeyl: thx, that makes more sense |
| 16:08.47 | mickeyl | *nod* the AUX's button LED should be used to indicate missed events |
| 16:09.02 | mickeyl | or app-custom things |
| 16:09.43 | leinir | Surely, it has that name for a reason |
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| 16:10.10 | leinir | Red means something bad... in some parts of the world ;) |
| 16:10.46 | viq | Or that you got some lipstick on something ;) |
| 16:10.57 | dos1 | i'm using my leds in that way: |
| 16:11.26 | dos1 | blue - discharging; orange - charging; purple - wifi activity; red - nand flash using |
| 16:11.48 | sicu | i want the AUX light to morse-code the whole text message upon received SMS, so that you wont have to activate the screen |
| 16:11.58 | mwester | truely wonders if the person making these sorts of decisions at Om has ever really used any complicated hand-held electronics device before. |
| 16:12.18 | mwester | notes sicu's request, and begins implementing it. |
| 16:12.20 | dos1 | sicu - so wrote app which do it ;) |
| 16:12.31 | dos1 | it will be easy to write |
| 16:12.43 | flexd_ | mwester: i want the phone to just *work* |
| 16:13.07 | dos1 | mwester: surely that app will use fso framework? ;) |
| 16:13.09 | flexd_ | I like the idea of a free (open) phone and everything, but at the moment i'm sort of gimped on time and i have no time/interest to develop anything |
| 16:13.11 | sicu | dos1: no need to ... i have mwester to do all the coding to my every whim, no matter how crazy |
| 16:13.21 | flexd_ | I'm like 5 steps away from selling my Fr and buying a iphone >_< |
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| 16:13.30 | flexd_ | or just a normal flip-flip 1$ phone |
| 16:13.52 | flexd_ | flip-flop* |
| 16:14.05 | ulf | flexd_: you tried qtexendet or qtopia |
| 16:14.05 | mwester | wonders if he should mention to flexd_ that out of the last four Om devices auctioned off on eBay (US) only one actually got a single bid. |
| 16:14.20 | DocScrutinizer2 | Nokia SMS audio signaling: dididi dada dididi |
| 16:14.22 | flexd_ | ulf: im using qtextended now |
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| 16:14.26 | flexd_ | mwester: >_< |
| 16:14.41 | flexd_ | I'll just find a local person to buy it |
| 16:14.43 | ulf | flexd_: and what's not working? |
| 16:15.15 | sicu | flexd_: get a hop-on / hop1800 |
| 16:15.22 | flexd_ | ulf: it's slow, it lags, it crashes, it freezes, it's a invisible maze to type messages, it crashes more, it suspends every 5 bloody seconds even though the settings are set to off. |
| 16:15.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | aka ... -- ... |
| 16:15.29 | flexd_ | sicu: hm? |
| 16:15.35 | sicu | flexd_: http://www.hop-on.com/pr_042888.html |
| 16:15.43 | dos1 | flexd_: so use qtopia 4.3 |
| 16:15.44 | sicu | ;] |
| 16:15.57 | flexd_ | hmm |
| 16:15.58 | dos1 | or 2007.2, if you have time to configure it once |
| 16:16.00 | flexd_ | Or just a used iphone |
| 16:16.16 | dos1 | so why have you buyed freerunner? |
| 16:16.17 | flexd_ | The beauty of an iphone is: They probably tested and developed this thing for 5 years before we even knew it was coming. |
| 16:16.30 | flexd_ | dos1: because i like the idea of a free phone, developing my own applications and such |
| 16:16.37 | flexd_ | that was a year ago, i have alot less time for such now. |
| 16:17.05 | flexd_ | The bad thing about an iphone is that it costs a lung, is not open/free, has a big ass fanboy club i do not want to be a part of. |
| 16:17.13 | DocScrutinizer2 | there's also a much more complicated Morse code I didn't get to decode yet ;-) |
| 16:17.21 | flexd_ | vs the Fr/openmoko having a great community, but stuff doesnt work much :P |
| 16:17.23 | flexd_ | anyway bbl dinner. |
| 16:17.50 | dos1 | i think selling fr now isn't good idea |
| 16:18.05 | sicu | DocScrutinizer: get decoding then ;] |
| 16:18.10 | Kensan | mwester: ping |
| 16:18.18 | lindi- | flexd_: start lending your FR to geeks on the condition that they must fix at least one bug every two months :) |
| 16:18.22 | dos1 | i would wait to using fso framework officialy by openmoko with tichy and parioli |
| 16:18.51 | flexd_ | i've practically not used the FR at all |
| 16:19.10 | flexd_ | I havent even taken off the original screen protector because it's not been in use, i could probably sell it for almost the same price i got it. |
| 16:19.35 | Kensan | mwester: are you also seeing a couple "connect(): no such file or directory" on bootup? |
| 16:19.43 | mwester | Kensan: Usage: ping [-c count] [ -T timestamp option ] [ -Q tos ] [hop1 ...] destination |
| 16:19.45 | ulf | flexd_: which uImage do you use, from where? |
| 16:19.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | sicu: i'd use 'morse' cmdline but I can't write the code down, or feed it directly to morse |
| 16:19.58 | mwester | Kensan: where does one observe this? |
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| 16:21.07 | DocScrutinizer2 | sicu: i'd expect it's "Nokia" though |
| 16:21.33 | Kensan | mwester: right after init starts. |
| 16:21.46 | sicu | DocScrutinizer: why nokia ? |
| 16:21.51 | mwester | I'll take a look more closely -- gotta run out for lunch right now. |
| 16:21.54 | Kensan | mwester: I guess some app is missing a socket or something like that. |
| 16:22.04 | Kensan | mwester: right, enjoy your meal :) |
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| 16:36.51 | Kred | Hi ho, does someone happen to know how to make Mac and FR usb connection to work each time? I mean, I've used FR on all three usb ports that I have, but now OS X doesn't seem to understand, that FR's connected |
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| 16:46.28 | dos1 | mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command |
| 16:46.33 | dos1 | Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 267080 |
| 16:46.39 | dos1 | is here somebody, who knows much about sd over glamo driver? |
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| 16:47.01 | dos1 | why u-boot can read kernel from sd card (which is on first partition, 20MB FAT16), when kernel is unable to mount that partition? (error -110 and buffer I/O errors) |
| 16:50.06 | lindi- | dos1: kernel can read some blocks but not all? |
| 16:50.35 | dos1 | lindi-: no, it seems it can't read from card at all |
| 16:50.59 | lindi- | dos1: why does it start reading from block 267080? |
| 16:51.09 | dos1 | root@om-gta02:/# cat /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 16:51.09 | dos1 | cat: /dev/mmcblk0: Input/output error |
| 16:51.20 | dos1 | lindi-: i don't know - that are first errors |
| 16:51.34 | lindi- | dos1: it should read partition table first |
| 16:51.40 | dos1 | later it displays 1, 2, and some other blocks |
| 16:52.03 | dos1 | lindi-: it knows about /dev/mmcblk0p1, 2, 3 (which is extended) and 4 |
| 16:52.22 | dos1 | but it doesn't know about logical paritions on extended one |
| 16:52.35 | dos1 | and i'm unable to read any partition |
| 16:53.01 | lindi- | dos1: how can it know about those? |
| 16:54.23 | dos1 | root@om-gta02:~# ls /dev/mmcblk0* |
| 16:54.24 | dos1 | /dev/mmcblk0 /dev/mmcblk0p1 /dev/mmcblk0p2 /dev/mmcblk0p3 /dev/mmcblk0p4 |
| 16:54.48 | dos1 | root@om-gta02:~# cat /dev/mmcblk0* |
| 16:54.49 | dos1 | cat: /dev/mmcblk0: Input/output error |
| 16:54.49 | dos1 | ... |
| 16:54.49 | dos1 | cat: /dev/mmcblk0p4: Input/output error |
| 16:54.49 | lindi- | dos1: udev? |
| 16:55.12 | dos1 | yes, on openmoko distros is udev ;p |
| 16:55.27 | dos1 | root@om-gta02:~# fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 16:55.27 | dos1 | fdisk: cannot read from /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 16:55.28 | lindi- | dos1: ok so linux has successfully read at least one sector |
| 16:55.42 | lindi- | dos1: otherwise it would not know that you have those partitions |
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| 16:56.29 | dos1 | after that commands, last dmesg lines are: |
| 16:56.30 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120 |
| 16:56.30 | dos1 | mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command |
| 16:56.30 | dos1 | end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 |
| 16:56.31 | dos1 | Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0 |
| 16:56.31 | Kensan | dos1: does cat /proc/partitions show the expected partitions? |
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| 16:56.55 | dos1 | Kensan: 179 0 4018176 mmcblk0 |
| 16:56.55 | dos1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.55 | dos1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.55 | dos1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.55 | dos1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.09 | dos1 | (and mtdblock*) |
| 16:57.27 | Kensan | dos1: is the sd-card working correctly? Have you tested with your workstation/desktop? |
| 16:57.36 | dos1 | Kensan: yes |
| 16:57.41 | dos1 | it mount and has data on in |
| 16:57.42 | dos1 | it* |
| 16:58.05 | dos1 | hour ago i was listening music from it on laptop ;] |
| 16:58.31 | dos1 | (on freerunner card didn't work previously too) |
| 16:59.23 | dos1 | i was playing with glamo_mci kernel-line commands |
| 17:00.04 | dos1 | when i didn't do anything, kernel hadn't known about any partition on card |
| 17:00.47 | dos1 | when i turned down sd clock, it see partitions, but is unable to read from it |
| 17:01.19 | dos1 | sd_drive = 3 or 0, both won't work |
| 17:01.32 | dos1 | sd_idleclk = 1 or 0, both won't work |
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| 17:02.19 | Kensan | what does "i was playing with glamo_mci kernel-line commands" mean? What did you do? Is it possible you corrupted the sd-card? please take it out and test with your laptop again. |
| 17:02.32 | dos1 | sd_max_clk = now i have 5000000, i was playing with it, but even 1 won't work |
| 17:02.46 | dos1 | Kensan: card is ok |
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| 17:03.27 | dos1 | sd_post_power_clock = now i have 1000000, other values - the same as in sd_max_clk |
| 17:03.30 | Kensan | dos1: did you restore the kernel command line as before you changed it? |
| 17:03.58 | dos1 | sd_slow_ratio = 8, i didn't change it |
| 17:04.11 | dos1 | Kensan: i have old uboot-env, i can check |
| 17:04.16 | Kensan | dos1: does dmesg show anything unusual? |
| 17:04.27 | dos1 | many i/o errors |
| 17:04.53 | Kensan | well... |
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| 17:07.38 | DocScrutinizer | sicu: echo '-.-. --- -. -. . -.-. - .. -. --. .--. . --- .--. .-.. .'| morse -d |
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| 17:07.52 | dos1 | Nensan: with original u-boot env it powers down |
| 17:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | sicu: 6210 kurzmitteilungs-Signal "Ansteigend" |
| 17:08.45 | DocScrutinizer | sicu: so it's not "Nokia" obviously ;-) |
| 17:09.15 | _Bill_ | DocScrutinizer: lol |
| 17:09.49 | dos1 | Nensan: glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: glamo_mci_set_ios: power down. |
| 17:09.49 | dos1 | mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card |
| 17:09.49 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: glamo_mci_set_ios: power down. |
| 17:09.55 | DocScrutinizer | _Bill_: I planned to do this for 7 years now ;-D |
| 17:09.58 | dos1 | and /dev/mmc* is gone :P |
| 17:10.48 | DocScrutinizer | now thanks to sicu and audacity I finally found out |
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| 17:13.57 | flexd_ | ulf: mwester's image? |
| 17:14.08 | flexd_ | I got it today, off the page from the wiki |
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| 17:21.54 | phobie | How are the icons on the desktop updated? From /usr/share/applications/ to /home/root/.e/e/appshadow or what? (fso-unstable) |
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| 17:22.51 | phobie | After installing agpsui I get no icon and whant to fix that. |
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| 17:24.23 | ronny | yo |
| 17:24.50 | dos1 | phobie: /usr/share/applications/ |
| 17:25.12 | ronny | anyone knows if 4.7µF instead of 5µF in a capacitator will be enough to fix the harmonic interference betwen gps and sdcard? |
| 17:25.45 | phobie | yes the openmoko-agpsui.desktop file is there but not visible on the desktop |
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| 17:26.23 | dos1 | phobie: so change icon/categories |
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| 17:27.29 | sicu | DocScrutinizer: haha, yeh, i was so much help ;p |
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| 17:27.51 | dos1 | in some old kernel (from april) sd card doesn't work too, but framebuffer seems to be faster ;D |
| 17:28.19 | DocScrutinizer2 | sicu: you asked! :-) |
| 17:28.37 | dos1 | BUT |
| 17:28.59 | dos1 | some old kernel(TM) sees all partitions! |
| 17:29.17 | dos1 | even logical on extended one |
| 17:30.08 | dos1 | but it's unable to read from them too |
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| 17:30.59 | phobie | dos1: thanks the agpsui desktop was missing a category... |
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| 17:32.20 | dos1 | phobie: so in thanks for me, make my sd card working with freerunner :D |
| 17:32.22 | DocScrutinizer2 | mwester: (morse) implementing looks like a script 3liner ;-) |
| 17:32.22 | dos1 | ^^ |
| 17:33.12 | mwester_ | farnsworth? |
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| 17:34.30 | dos1 | if some old kernel(TM) can see all partitions, there is a hope - it's software problem |
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| 17:40.53 | phobie | dos1: does it help if I pray? |
| 17:40.53 | dos1 | phobie: maybe |
| 17:40.53 | dos1 | ;] |
| 17:41.10 | dos1 | oh! |
| 17:41.12 | mwester_ | dos1: can you share with us exactly what your entire command line looks like? |
| 17:41.31 | dos1 | with mwester kernel it reads from card! |
| 17:43.02 | dos1 | mwester_: now i'm using default arguments, but later i was using: |
| 17:43.42 | dos1 | s/later/previously |
| 17:43.43 | dos1 | ^^" |
| 17:43.44 | dos1 | bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot bootdelay=1 glamo_mci.sd_drive=0 glamo_mci.sd_idleclk=1 glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=5000000 glamo_mci.sd_post_power_clock=1000000 |
| 17:44.24 | dos1 | mwester_: but now, with your kernel, all primary partitions work |
| 17:44.40 | dos1 | only logical on extended one aren't recognised |
| 17:45.31 | mwester_ | Ok. I found a corner case when I implemented the slow clock stuff for the gta01; I was wondering if there might be the same issue with the glamo impl. -- but your command line won't trigger it. |
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| 17:47.30 | phobie | what is the command to lock the screen |
| 17:48.31 | dos1 | mwester_: now in dmesg are many i/o errors, but at least it reads primary partitions ;) |
| 17:48.42 | dos1 | and now i'm using default kernel command line |
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| 17:48.55 | dos1 | root@om-gta02:/media# cat /proc/cmdline |
| 17:48.56 | dos1 | rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00040000(u-boot_env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x00040000(factory),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) |
| 17:49.10 | mwester_ | Ok, that's fine. |
| 17:49.19 | mwester_ | What sort of I/O errors are you seeing? |
| 17:49.45 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020 |
| 17:49.45 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8122 |
| 17:49.45 | dos1 | mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command |
| 17:49.45 | dos1 | end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 |
| 17:49.45 | dos1 | Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0 |
| 17:50.28 | dos1 | many like that, but with other sector/block numbers |
| 17:50.41 | dos1 | or error code, like: |
| 17:50.41 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20 |
| 17:50.41 | dos1 | mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command |
| 17:51.15 | mwester_ | What is error code 110 (from errno.h)? |
| 17:53.26 | mwester_ | Also, can you scan back in the log and see what the last message regarding setting power and clock for the glamo-mci device was? |
| 17:53.39 | lindi- | $ gcc-e 'errno=110;perror("");' |
| 17:53.40 | lindi- | Connection timed out |
| 17:54.04 | mwester_ | good trick, lindi- ! |
| 17:54.42 | dos1 | mwester_: http://wklej.org/id/11614/ |
| 17:56.21 | dos1 | mwester_: would you like to see more dmesg messages? |
| 17:56.22 | dos1 | ;) |
| 17:56.41 | mwester_ | All normal. It's operating at 16.6 MHz, so it's past the slow-start and all. |
| 17:57.38 | mwester_ | First thing to try would be to slow down the max clock, and verify that it is actually honoring the setting. |
| 17:58.24 | mwester_ | so boot with the command line parameter to limit the speed to something really low: 250000 or so... |
| 17:59.17 | dos1 | mwester_: sd_max_clk? ok, i will try |
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| 18:02.56 | dos1 | oh, 128MB swap is like fresh breath for 2007.2 :D |
| 18:03.47 | SpeedEvil | Swap does help. |
| 18:07.55 | dos1 | now i can run opkg with all apps running :D previoulsy i must start X with only xinit, or stop X and do upgrade from ssh :x |
| 18:11.31 | dos1 | oh |
| 18:11.52 | dos1 | after some time screen blanked and in dmesg was many errors: |
| 18:12.15 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8021 |
| 18:12.15 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8121 |
| 18:12.15 | dos1 | mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command |
| 18:12.15 | dos1 | end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 7810212 |
| 18:12.15 | dos1 | Read-error on swap-device (179:0:7810220) |
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| 18:14.49 | dos1 | mwester_: now it's i/o error again when i try to mount some partition |
| 18:15.08 | dos1 | root@om-gta02:~# cat /proc/cmdline |
| 18:15.08 | dos1 | rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot bootdelay=1 glamo_mci.sd_idleclk=1 glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=250000 quiet mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00040000(u-boot_env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x00040000(factory),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) |
| 18:15.20 | dos1 | i will try without sd_idleclk |
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| 18:21.07 | dos1 | mwester_: root@om-gta02:~# mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 18:21.07 | dos1 | /dev/mmcblk0p1: Input/output error |
| 18:21.07 | dos1 | mount: /dev/mmcblk0p1: can't read superblock |
| 18:21.25 | dos1 | root@om-gta02:~# cat /proc/cmdline |
| 18:21.26 | dos1 | rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=250000 quiet mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00040000(u-boot_env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x00040000(factory),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) |
| 18:22.07 | dos1 | i don't see sd clock in dmesg messages, because firsts are : |
| 18:22.13 | dos1 | and |
| 18:22.13 | dos1 | end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 2136645 |
| 18:22.13 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8020 |
| 18:22.13 | dos1 | mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command |
| 18:22.13 | dos1 | end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 48195 |
| 18:22.13 | dos1 | end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 48197 |
| 18:22.15 | dos1 | end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 48199 |
| 18:22.17 | dos1 | end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 48201 |
| 18:22.19 | dos1 | (...) |
| 18:22.42 | dos1 | but |
| 18:23.05 | dos1 | sorry, i have it ;) |
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| 18:23.55 | dos1 | SD power -> 3200mV |
| 18:23.55 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 0kHz div=255 (req: 0kHz). Bus width=0 |
| 18:23.55 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req: 195kHz). Bus width=0 |
| 18:23.56 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120 |
| 18:23.58 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120 |
| 18:24.00 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120 |
| 18:24.02 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120 |
| 18:24.04 | dos1 | mmc_set_power(power_mode=2, vdd=15 |
| 18:24.06 | dos1 | SD power -> 2700mV |
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| 18:24.59 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 15) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req: 195kHz). Bus width=0 |
| 18:24.59 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 15) clk: 250kHz div=199 (req: 250kHz). Bus width=0 |
| 18:24.59 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 15) clk: 250kHz div=199 (req: 250kHz). Bus width=2 |
| 18:24.59 | dos1 | mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address 0002 |
| 18:25.00 | dos1 | mmcblk0: mmc0:0002 SD4GB 4018176KiB |
| 18:25.02 | dos1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.04 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8310 |
| 18:25.06 | dos1 | mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command |
| 18:25.08 | dos1 | end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 2136640 |
| 18:25.10 | dos1 | Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 267080 |
| 18:25.12 | dos1 | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120 |
| 18:25.14 | dos1 | mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command |
| 18:25.16 | dos1 | end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 2136640 |
| 18:25.18 | dos1 | Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 267080 |
| 18:25.20 | dos1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.22 | dos1 | oh, sorry, too much lines :x |
| 18:25.56 | sicu | hehe, pastebin does spring to mind :p |
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| 18:28.06 | dos1 | i know about pastebin (or wklej.org, polish equivalent), but it's my laziness ;) |
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| 18:28.19 | jonsmith1982 | is perl likely to be included in to the rootfs? |
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| 18:42.17 | dos1 | mwester_: i flashed orginall uboot-env again and it has screen corruption on starting again - like when it worked |
| 18:42.34 | dos1 | it's booting now |
| 18:43.20 | dos1 | but it isn't working... |
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| 18:47.03 | dos1 | hmm, i'm wondering, why it sometimes works, and sometimes not |
| 18:47.13 | dos1 | with the same kernel and cmdline |
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| 19:09.56 | nomeata | Hi. Is anyone using the FSO image regulary, and can tell me if I can mute it reliably? I.e. is it safe to use at the university, without having to turn it off during corses? |
| 19:10.43 | mwester_ | I didn't know it had any facility to silence the device. |
| 19:11.39 | nomeata | mwester_: I thought the latest release had some preferences, but Iâm not sure if they are functional. Also, somebody might have hacked something up. |
| 19:11.59 | Flyser_ | nomeata: you can mute it with the alsa-mixer |
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| 19:12.41 | Tig| | they worked here is brief testing but not really used them in anger |
| 19:13.17 | nomeata | Flyser_: but wonât, upon an incoming call, these settings be overridden by the different alsa profile loaded? |
| 19:13.29 | nomeata | (or at least after the call?) |
| 19:13.47 | Flyser_ | afaik the profiles are not functional in ms3. maybe they work in fso-testing, I am not sure |
| 19:14.10 | Flyser_ | nomeata: I don't think so |
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| 19:32.21 | Tetracomm | http://digg.com/gadgets/A_very_unique_and_competitive_mobile_device_was_released |
| 19:32.28 | Tetracomm | Digg it, please. :) |
| 19:33.24 | Kensan | mwester_: roughling feathers? ;) |
| 19:33.53 | mwester_ | I hope so. |
| 19:35.02 | mwester_ | I just wish those in charge of the active distros for the device (FSO, SHR, Qt Extended) would monitor the kernel list, and represent their interests as well as Sean does his super-secret distro. |
| 19:35.19 | Kensan | mwester_: super secret distro? |
| 19:35.25 | mwester_ | Yeah. |
| 19:35.30 | dos1 | SSD |
| 19:35.31 | dos1 | ;> |
| 19:35.36 | mwester_ | Unless you know what distro or company Sean works for? |
| 19:36.07 | ronny | anyone got an idea how far from "stable phone" the software stack is atm ? |
| 19:36.18 | jones | 2008.9 is good |
| 19:36.26 | jones | hasnt crashed for a while now |
| 19:36.37 | Tig| | mwester, I have a very nice setup on my Freerunner atm, I have raster's image with frameworkd and zhone, still not useable day to day but less so than the others |
| 19:36.41 | rhkfin | FDOM is good (FDOM is about the same as 2008.9) |
| 19:37.06 | Kensan | mwester_: I have no idea. I don't actually know what Sean is doing. Need to read some more... |
| 19:37.23 | Tig| | the problem is I really think that 2007 made a better phone than the 2008 stuff does |
| 19:37.39 | mwester_ | The last ABI change that slipped through, completely uncontested, was to change the meaning of the /sys node that indicates if bluetooth is powered up or not. I didn't make a fuss over that, because I couldn't believe that nobody cared that suddenly every existing distro would be wrong about if bt was powered or not. |
| 19:37.40 | Kensan | Tig|: it's all water under the bridge.. |
| 19:37.42 | dos1 | Tig|: i think that too |
| 19:37.43 | jones | cant say im too keen on 2008.9, very very very basic |
| 19:37.57 | Tig| | Kensan: openhand is still available |
| 19:38.21 | dos1 | i'm using 2007.2 |
| 19:38.26 | jones | im gonna try rasters image tonoight |
| 19:38.49 | dos1 | rasters image = fso with different look and feel |
| 19:38.58 | jones | how is the battery life with rasters image? |
| 19:39.11 | Kensan | Tig|: I was more hintig at, that OM made a complete turn-around to do other things instead of doing it right. 2007.2 was actually pretty close to usable minuse the stability issues. which they are planing to focus on now... a year later |
| 19:39.28 | Tig| | tbh I am shocked that OM really has not been amazing as it has had all of the right ingredients |
| 19:39.38 | Tig| | Kensan: agreed |
| 19:39.48 | Kensan | mwester_: it seems that fragmentation goes straight through om's office and everything else of course. |
| 19:39.54 | dos1 | Kensan: i have wrotten simple daemon, which spawns matchbox-window-manager when it crashes |
| 19:40.11 | Kensan | dos1: I am talking about stable gsm stuff. |
| 19:40.23 | dos1 | Kensan: oh, gsm stuff works stable to me |
| 19:40.31 | Kensan | dos1: lucky you. |
| 19:40.34 | dos1 | only openmoko-messages is too sloooow |
| 19:41.04 | jones | the day i use the sms app, i could read incomming messages |
| 19:41.11 | jones | 2008.9 is much sexier |
| 19:41.17 | Tig| | Kensan: I think mickyl and the framework people have the right idea but openhand should have been left to carry on with the PIM suite |
| 19:41.28 | Tig| | as they are different areas |
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| 19:41.48 | dos1 | i want 2007.2 software using fso framework... |
| 19:41.49 | dos1 | shr ;) |
| 19:41.59 | Kensan | Tig|: mickey is doing fine with fso and all but what's the rest of om doing? |
| 19:42.20 | Tig| | from a user perspective it is not apparent what progress has been made from 2007 and wtf are the OM people working on |
| 19:42.21 | Kensan | Tig|: gsm firmware, kernel issues etc |
| 19:42.38 | Tig| | Kensan: that is exactly what I was wondering |
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| 19:44.00 | Tig| | the ASU / 2008 release was a mess and OM knew this. It is a bit odd that FRs are shipped with the 2007 image and then get to downgrade to a new image |
| 19:44.33 | Kensan | Tig|: imho the whole "let's port qt ontop of X with some e thrown into the mix" was a waste of time. |
| 19:44.38 | dos1 | 2007.2 shipped image is bigger crap than 2008.8 |
| 19:44.48 | dos1 | i liked images from buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 19:45.03 | leinir | Tig|: It had possibilities, they just didn't give raster the permissions he needed to make nifty |
| 19:45.16 | leinir | Look at what he's doing on his own now |
| 19:45.34 | leinir | (with help, of course, but still, hands untied and all that) |
| 19:45.43 | Tig| | Kensan: I think it was the idea that they could grab the qtopia pim stack that allured them unfortunatly it is crap for smartphones |
| 19:45.44 | Kensan | it was "management driven" so to speak ;) |
| 19:46.21 | Gromgull | is there a page for raster's image? |
| 19:46.26 | Tig| | leinir: agreed I am running his image atm then bolting stuff on, it is wonderful |
| 19:46.44 | Tig| | Gromgull: rasterman.com |
| 19:46.50 | Tig| | there are linkys :) |
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| 19:48.03 | Tig| | tbh after booting raster's image I was surprised, this chunk of plastic had suddenly been updated to 2008 |
| 19:49.03 | dos1 | Tig|: how smooth works raster's image on freerunner? |
| 19:50.00 | Tig| | works ok here, under heavy load I would be tempted to drop some of the rates down but this is an image for just testing stuff |
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| 20:12.29 | jones | boots rasters image |
| 20:13.12 | jones | is impressed by the splash screen |
| 20:13.34 | dos1 | hmm |
| 20:13.59 | dos1 | jones: can you send me splash screen theme? |
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| 20:14.42 | dos1 | jones: it will be in /usr/share/exquisite/data/themes/ |
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| 20:16.17 | jones | dos1: cant see taht happening |
| 20:16.32 | jones | sorry, networking is an issue where i am |
| 20:16.44 | dos1 | jones: ok |
| 20:16.52 | jones | just grab it from the source |
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| 20:17.37 | dos1 | i have slow connection so i want to download only splash theme |
| 20:19.00 | jones | the image is available as source files |
| 20:19.22 | dos1 | oh, so ok, i will look on it |
| 20:19.23 | jones | i think its either linked on rasterman.com |
| 20:19.25 | jones | its in svn |
| 20:20.57 | phobie | agpsui has a connection to the gps but tangogps and gpspipe only shows failed nmea results |
| 20:21.03 | jones | is it just me or is the image empty? |
| 20:21.08 | phobie | where is the problem? |
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| 20:22.52 | dos1 | phobie: maybe in gpsd |
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| 20:24.00 | phobie | dos1: does tangogps not support fso-gpsd? |
| 20:24.09 | dos1 | it should |
| 20:26.44 | jones | so is there nothing in rasters-image |
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| 20:29.09 | phobie | jones: which url? |
| 20:29.44 | phobie | http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/Freerunner/2008-10-12/openmoko-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20081012-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 is ok... |
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| 20:37.07 | jones | nah, i just expected more, that would be fine if life was simple... |
| 20:39.30 | jones | its a very nice image though |
| 20:40.37 | sicu | phobie: i have the same issue with tangoGPS |
| 20:40.57 | sicu | no problem getting a fix with agpsui though :/ |
| 20:41.09 | phobie | hm |
| 20:41.26 | phobie | there is no wireshark on the fr ;) |
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| 20:44.18 | lindi- | in debian there is |
| 20:47.34 | phobie | yes, but I think debian is too big for a smartphone |
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| 20:50.08 | phobie | I wrote a short python script to analyse the problem |
| 20:50.39 | phobie | tangogps uses the fso-gpsd over tcp, bit the deamon sens bad nmea data |
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| 20:59.50 | rhkfin | How do I add a dir (where all my scripts are) to the path? |
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| 21:00.20 | rhkfin | (FDOM) |
| 21:00.20 | LetoTo1 | export PATH=$PATH:/your/dir ? |
| 21:00.30 | rhkfin | that's only for this session.. |
| 21:00.33 | LetoTo1 | or check somewhere in /etc/profile or /etc/bash* ? |
| 21:00.40 | rhkfin | hmm.. okay, thanks |
| 21:02.16 | rhkfin | yep, /etc/profile has PATH defined, cool, thanks! |
| 21:02.43 | sicu | phobie: what distro? |
| 21:03.24 | sigius | Q: when my freerunner is powered of and I connect it to the charger, the AUX led blink four times slowly. Is there any significance to this ? |
| 21:03.41 | ronny | yo |
| 21:04.33 | ronny | again: anyone knows if a 4.7µF capacitator will be ok for fixing the interference betwen sdcard and gps ? (we dont have a 5µF staffed) |
| 21:05.42 | rhkfin | ronny: is there a need for a hw fix? I'd like to see some comparison.. |
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| 21:06.51 | ronny | rhkfin: early freerunners have a harmonic interference betwen sdcard and gps - a capacitator put betwen the contacts for the sd card clock fixes i |
| 21:07.16 | mwester | ronny: there are software fixes in place that make the hardware fix largely unnecessary. |
| 21:07.47 | mwester | But if you wish (and have the ability to do the sort of soldering required), a 4.7 is plenty close enough to 5 to work. |
| 21:08.14 | mwester | And I think it's picofarads, not microfarads, isnt' it? |
| 21:08.25 | ronny | oh, ok, i might have confused ;P |
| 21:08.30 | rhkfin | ronny: i second what mwester said.. |
| 21:08.56 | ronny | well, we got a lab to do that stuff at the uni, and the lab-engineer wants to fix it for me |
| 21:09.03 | ronny | he builds such stuff all the time |
| 21:09.04 | phobie | sicu: it is because the agpsui directly accesses /dev/ttySAC1 but tangogps and gpspipe use the buggy fso-gpsd. |
| 21:10.04 | phobie | sicu: fso-unstable 2008-10-08 |
| 21:10.18 | sicu | phobie: ok, thanks |
| 21:10.22 | rhkfin | ronny: I wrote a mail to the .. support list (community? not sure..) asking for comparing results with/without hw fix |
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| 21:19.22 | mwester | ronny: If he's qualified to do the work, and it will cost you nothing, then there seems to be no reason NOT to do the hardware modification! |
| 21:19.42 | mwester | would do it in a moment, if he could solder such tiny contact. |
| 21:20.06 | rhkfin | mwester: do you know if there's a significant improvement? |
| 21:20.26 | mwester | I have no figures comparing it to the software fix. |
| 21:20.32 | rhkfin | ok.. |
| 21:21.40 | Kagee | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_FSO The commands listet first here, do they build a QEMU-file, or files i can flash to my freerunner ? |
| 21:23.05 | ronny | mwester: alsi i think it will helpfull, i an a few others will do a presentation/discussion about openmoko/freerunner in our embedded systems lecture at the uni |
| 21:24.58 | Kero | wonders when someone will comment on his FSO bug report... it's been sitting there for a week without... |
| 21:26.47 | rhkfin | thinks that kero could link his bug report here to make some more people go there.. |
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| 21:29.39 | Kero | hehe. http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/182 |
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| 21:31.30 | Kero | somehow, I do not expect many ppl suffer from it, or it would have been solved ages ago... |
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| 21:43.35 | zash | have anyone tried gajim on freerunner? |
| 21:44.28 | Sascha | 22:50:39 < phobie> tangogps uses the fso-gpsd over tcp, bit the deamon sens bad nmea data <-- could you sent me the relevant nmea sentences? |
| 21:48.03 | tomboy64 | is it possible to have navit and/or pidgin running in qt-extended? |
| 21:48.34 | tomboy64 | and are there things to consider when configuring gprs in qt-extended? |
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| 21:52.18 | Kagee | anyone? |
| 21:52.51 | Kagee | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_FSO The commands listet first here, do they build a QEMU-file, or files i can flash to my freerunner ? |
| 21:57.38 | Sascha | [x] flash to my freerunner |
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| 22:08.17 | Dave | How are you gentlemen? |
| 22:08.23 | Dave | and raster |
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| 22:17.36 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07zhone * ra8b0308debc7 10/src/zhone: |
| 22:17.36 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: Catch up with new SMS API in zhone |
| 22:17.36 | CIA-49 | freesmartphone.org: This prevented zhone from actually sending the messages. |
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| 22:31.32 | faltantornillos | hi. I'm using fdom but after some changes I can't hear anything when calling. Is there a way to restore the volume to its default values? pls |
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| 22:32.26 | Sgnabul | . |
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| 22:40.36 | ColdFyre | alsamixer |
| 22:46.06 | faltantornillos | ColdFyre ok but what value should I assign to what controls? |
| 22:46.36 | ColdFyre | iirc, the elvels were @ 79% |
| 22:46.39 | ColdFyre | levels,too |
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| 22:58.20 | Dave | heh, coldfyre |
| 22:58.54 | ColdFyre | shrugs |
| 22:59.07 | johngay | Hey Dave. You'll never guess what I got upto yesterday. |
| 23:00.46 | ColdFyre | your locked yourself in a zebra cage full of mimes? |
| 23:01.31 | johngay | 13,500 ft. One-way ticket. |
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| 23:11.13 | Tetracomm | I heard that if enough of your Digg an OpenMoko article, it might get your article to the front page and get you many more customers. |
| 23:11.44 | prjktdtnt | Anyone here done any work on tichy? |
| 23:12.03 | prjktdtnt | I was trying to rewrite the keyboard to be querty but then there is a funny looking glitch with the button styles |
| 23:13.59 | prjktdtnt | http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?8e2ad4884d.png |
| 23:14.31 | ColdFyre | i've seen openmoko on digg before |
| 23:14.38 | ColdFyre | it never gained much ground |
| 23:14.40 | prjktdtnt | the problem happens because to get the correct layout it required I had to resize the keys to 46 instead of 56 px |
| 23:14.53 | prjktdtnt | (in the math for keyboard.py anyway) |
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| 23:42.24 | Soulnoob | has seen digg before... |
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| 23:55.53 | sandman | Anyone alive? |
| 23:57.31 | ColdFyre | . |
| 23:57.45 | techiem2-r | is a zombie |
| 23:58.04 | ColdFyre | define alive |
