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| 00:14.25 | Dave | Bob! |
| 00:15.18 | BobOfDoom | Dave! |
| 00:19.35 | slaxxin | they will put your eye out to |
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| 00:31.58 | Dave | YES |
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| 01:06.37 | ColdFyre | is the issue with the neo not charging on certain usb devices hardware or software related? |
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| 01:18.57 | Dave | Hey coldfyre |
| 01:21.30 | ColdFyre | hiya |
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| 01:29.56 | tomer | anybody uses debian on the FR?\ |
| 01:33.59 | phobie | on my pc :) |
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| 01:40.38 | Dave | :) |
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| 01:47.22 | sicu | hmmm |
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| 01:48.52 | Dave | hmm |
| 01:49.13 | sicu | =] |
| 01:49.33 | Dave | hvordan sier du brokenmoko på norsk? :D |
| 01:50.00 | sicu | ødelagtmoko |
| 01:50.45 | sicu | kinda misses the appealing clang ... |
| 01:50.55 | sicu | cling / klang .... ? |
| 01:51.44 | cjb | clang |
| 01:51.48 | slaxxin | i got debian on sdcard |
| 01:51.53 | cjb | (oh, in English) |
| 01:52.05 | sicu | cjb: thx =] |
| 01:52.09 | Dave | :D |
| 01:52.13 | Dave | yeah |
| 01:52.29 | Dave | stemmer det :p |
| 01:52.30 | sicu | Dave: rævamoko ... now that's better ;] |
| 01:54.01 | Dave | :D |
| 01:54.03 | Dave | haha |
| 01:54.13 | Dave | more like pulemoko |
| 01:54.15 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 01:54.32 | sicu | =] |
| 01:55.46 | sicu | well ... seeing as i have to go to work at 7am, i should really consider going to bed before 4am :/ |
| 01:56.29 | sicu | ~bed sicu |
| 01:56.29 | apt | ACTION tucks sicu into a warm bed. |
| 01:57.43 | Dave | haha, yeah |
| 01:57.45 | Dave | awww |
| 01:57.47 | Dave | ^_^ |
| 01:58.05 | Dave | hade :] |
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| 02:02.37 | sicu | nite =] |
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| 02:06.39 | Dave | truste |
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| 02:21.51 | DocScrutinizer | night Dave-noise º;-) |
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| 02:25.32 | Dave | :D |
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| 02:41.51 | jadams_ | do any of the openmoko distros look as nice when booting as raster's latest e on the device? http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-freerunner.avi |
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| 02:42.38 | mwester | scratches his head and wonders why looking nice while booting is an important consideration |
| 02:43.11 | raster | mwester: candeeeeeyyyy! |
| 02:43.36 | jadams_ | mwester, it's not |
| 02:43.40 | jadams_ | it was just a question |
| 02:44.01 | jadams_ | that video was a very nice off-to-X transition sequence, thought it was worthy of mention |
| 02:44.12 | mwester | Openmoko has "seen the light" and finally admitted that there needs to be a phone behind the glitz. |
| 02:44.13 | jadams_ | I much prefer the recent discussion / announcement of back to basics on the list :) |
| 02:44.29 | jadams_ | mwester, yes, and I agree. Was just curious |
| 02:44.33 | jadams_ | I bought a GTA01 |
| 02:44.41 | mwester | So did I |
| 02:44.45 | jadams_ | and so I've been quasi left in the cold, so it's hard for me to keep up to date on the device |
| 02:44.57 | mwester | heh - it works better than the GTA02, and has done so for a long time! |
| 02:45.06 | jadams_ | also, I never could manage to get GPS to truly work. I got it seeing five sats once, best I could manage |
| 02:45.28 | jadams_ | I love the device still...I'm just waiting for a situation where I can actually use it for anything other than numpty and be happy about it :) |
| 02:46.00 | jadams_ | I'll integrate it into my home theater system as a remote, worst case scenario...but it'd have to be stationary, because there's no wifi... |
| 02:46.03 | mwester | I just submitted a patch that might help in that regard, and DocScrutinizer put up a page with a potential hardware workaround (solderless) that would apply to the GTA01 as well as the 02. |
| 02:46.14 | mwester | Y'got bluetooth. |
| 02:46.15 | jadams_ | also, tried debian on the gta01? |
| 02:46.21 | jadams_ | that's true, duh |
| 02:46.31 | mwester | Bluetooth works a heck of a lot better than wifi on the FR does right now! |
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| 02:46.38 | raster | mwester: to be honest - the problem isnt glitz |
| 02:46.51 | raster | the problem is management and lack fo any idea who customers are |
| 02:46.53 | raster | and whta workds |
| 02:46.56 | raster | and micromanegement |
| 02:47.06 | mwester | Why on earth would you put Debian on a gta01? Buy a $150 used desktop and it will run rings around debian on the FR or Neo |
| 02:47.07 | jadams_ | I got debian 'installed' on the gta01 with the fso-pkg installer. I just didn't get it usable. Like, no xfce bar, etc. |
| 02:47.26 | mwester | jadams_: if you want a phone, go with Qtopia. |
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| 02:47.33 | mwester | Works very very well on the GTA01 |
| 02:47.34 | jadams_ | mwester, because I can't get a usable device in any other way? Also, because I'm playing, that's what prompted me to give OM money for the gta01 in the first place :) |
| 02:47.36 | raster | the fact that forever and a day there was a new flavor of the moneht for "the goals" |
| 02:47.39 | jadams_ | mwester, yeah, I want a free phone |
| 02:47.48 | jadams_ | mwester, and I want a platform, I don't want qtopia |
| 02:47.53 | raster | from the diversity stuff that was to to b worked on that was all about gps/nav/voip |
| 02:47.58 | raster | instead of addressing phone |
| 02:48.05 | mwester | jadams_: then you'll have to wait for FSO. |
| 02:48.10 | jadams_ | right, phone first, seemed like we were almost there fifteen times |
| 02:48.15 | jadams_ | mwester, meh, I'm getting an android |
| 02:48.16 | raster | then it was all about implementing the pixel-perfect designs of sean's |
| 02:48.19 | raster | and not makign stuff that works |
| 02:48.20 | jadams_ | I'll buy another openmoko sometime |
| 02:48.26 | jadams_ | or some other free phone |
| 02:48.30 | jadams_ | and I'll use my gta01 in some capacity |
| 02:48.33 | raster | and also management dictating how texchnical solutions are to be implemented |
| 02:48.39 | raster | eg the keyboard activation |
| 02:48.49 | raster | and you can name a continual stream of these |
| 02:48.52 | mwester | raster: I can only imagine what went on there, but it couldn't have been pretty -- there were too many smart people in one place to not know what was wrong. |
| 02:49.20 | raster | the fact powermenagament is still being worked on is that there was never much attempt from usersapce to impement it well as thgnis were always being driven in a new "product direction" |
| 02:49.28 | raster | oh no |
| 02:49.31 | raster | too many smart people |
| 02:49.35 | jadams_ | I just wanted a phone, and with the old (I know it wasn't extremely amazing) 2007 gsm stuff it sort of worked. And then instead of seeing the one or two remaining quibbles (ALSA auto-setup fix much?) worked out, I got pushed aside for gta02 in 2008 |
| 02:49.41 | raster | with those with signficantly less clue telling them what to do and how to do it |
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| 02:49.53 | CVirus | lol @ raster |
| 02:50.09 | CVirus | raster: couldn't agree more |
| 02:50.20 | raster | i was told in no uncertain terms that i know no ui design |
| 02:50.22 | raster | or how it works |
| 02:50.28 | raster | and that i'm just a programmer |
| 02:50.33 | raster | ie to do as told and instructed |
| 02:50.37 | raster | i quit for a reason |
| 02:50.42 | jadams_ | raster, hahaha |
| 02:50.46 | CVirus | raster: what do you know about UI's and window managers anyways :-p |
| 02:50.55 | raster | sv nothing! |
| 02:50.58 | CVirus | LOL |
| 02:50.58 | raster | CVirus: nothing! |
| 02:50.59 | raster | :) |
| 02:51.19 | raster | despite me explaining all the thngis that break when u remvoe manual keyboard control that was ignored |
| 02:51.22 | jadams_ | raster, enlightenment drove me to be a graphic designer (or rather, stoked that flame) which led to me transitioning to a professional programming job at an early age, etc. |
| 02:51.27 | raster | in favor of "but iophone doesnt need it" liek arguments |
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| 02:51.42 | jadams_ | your ui skills helped me like computers more, etc. back in the days |
| 02:51.42 | raster | or "i read some apple document that says steve jobs does..." |
| 02:51.49 | jadams_ | so to hear that is ridiculous to me...just nonsense |
| 02:52.02 | raster | jadams_: was to me too |
| 02:52.08 | raster | as that was what i was hired for |
| 02:52.14 | raster | but as tiem went on it was more apparent |
| 02:52.19 | raster | i was to do was instructed |
| 02:52.22 | jadams_ | sigh.... |
| 02:52.24 | raster | not as "was right" |
| 02:52.25 | mwester | Frankly, the fact that the top dogs at Om *NEVER* show up on IRC rather says it all. Any other startup has management hunting down their customers to ask how its going, what they can do better, and oh by the way if you like us, can you recommend us to your friends? |
| 02:52.31 | jadams_ | right, right, right, right |
| 02:52.45 | raster | mwester: i pestered sean to addres the community |
| 02:52.50 | raster | to listen to them and talk to them |
| 02:52.50 | jadams_ | I mean geezus, what company wouldn't LOVE to have a bunch of their most loving customers in one room to talk to from time to time? |
| 02:52.55 | raster | never really happened |
| 02:53.00 | raster | so i was betwene a hard place and a rock |
| 02:53.00 | mwester | jadams_: Exactly. |
| 02:53.15 | raster | i cant do thngs right by the users because management has dictated that i am to do as they design |
| 02:53.17 | jadams_ | and if they'd come in here I could have told them 'if I had a functioning phone right now I'd sell forty of these to my customers for apps next week' |
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| 02:53.22 | raster | and its all just wrong |
| 02:53.22 | jadams_ | and so could most of the people in this room prolly |
| 02:53.23 | jadams_ | sigh |
| 02:53.27 | CVirus | maybe sean can't use IRC ? |
| 02:53.34 | mwester | Especially this group of geeks -- most of whom would happily show off their phones at every geek gathering, conference, training class, etc. |
| 02:53.37 | raster | mickey's fso work should have been done instead of a topia port |
| 02:53.41 | raster | qtopia port to x11 |
| 02:53.46 | jadams_ | yes, yes |
| 02:53.50 | raster | shoudl have used the existing 2007.x gtk and gsmd stuff |
| 02:53.52 | raster | and just fixed it |
| 02:53.52 | jadams_ | qtopia on x11 gained nothing, right? |
| 02:53.58 | jadams_ | as you still couldn't run other apps in that space |
| 02:54.02 | jadams_ | or those apps in another space |
| 02:54.06 | raster | while that was being fixe di was wanitng to work on cleaning up the whole ui infra to be better |
| 02:54.09 | jadams_ | it was just a giant suite of not-happening |
| 02:54.46 | jadams_ | 2007.x plus the flat (no gradients) gtk theme (super fast) plus a working dialer plus a single document on building a hello world app and running it on the phone |
| 02:54.48 | slaxxin | sounds like a whim |
| 02:54.50 | raster | there is a massive disconnect betwene om management and their customers/users |
| 02:54.54 | jadams_ | that would have just won I think |
| 02:54.56 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.56 | raster | i knwo that om uppers are all about design |
| 02:54.58 | raster | design schools |
| 02:55.00 | raster | they worship apple |
| 02:55.04 | mwester | So now we all hang about, skeptical and suspicious, waiting to see if Om delivers this time -- what a way to turn off your customer base! |
| 02:55.08 | jadams_ | I mean, hell, google's sdk was just a couple of basic app examples at first, right? |
| 02:55.13 | raster | they are all keen on fancy product designers form japan |
| 02:55.14 | raster | or mit |
| 02:55.15 | raster | or such |
| 02:55.27 | raster | but they have yet to have a working phone or platform or windowing system infra |
| 02:55.32 | Dave | RASTER |
| 02:55.38 | mwester | oh no |
| 02:55.45 | raster | e and efl gets u a chunk of the design/eyecandy for free |
| 02:55.56 | jadams_ | right, and a working widget set |
| 02:55.56 | raster | ie comes with the territory |
| 02:56.09 | jadams_ | and an easily scripted base |
| 02:56.09 | raster | and i generally put some effort into it as a personal "i just cant stand to see something ugly" |
| 02:56.20 | mwester | so raster - 'fess up -- WHO was it that insisted on the ridiculous boots on the boot splash? You keep saying it wasn't you! |
| 02:56.29 | slaxxin | fso is pretty nice |
| 02:56.31 | raster | mwester: sean/will |
| 02:56.34 | raster | their diesng/idea |
| 02:56.36 | raster | design |
| 02:56.39 | jadams_ | I liked the boots |
| 02:56.43 | raster | basically look at my illume image |
| 02:56.47 | raster | vs asu (2008.x) |
| 02:56.47 | mwester | It was funny once. |
| 02:56.58 | raster | then u know the difference in design |
| 02:56.59 | slaxxin | it still is funny |
| 02:57.02 | jadams_ | I like fso tons, I would think a dialer in e over d-bus would be the bee's pajamas, the cat's knees |
| 02:57.12 | mwester | Then I looked for some setting to disable it, and that's when I realized that the ASU direction was going the wrong way. |
| 02:57.14 | raster | jadams_: thats an end goal |
| 02:57.22 | jadams_ | raster, I assumed as much |
| 02:57.30 | raster | buit first |
| 02:57.33 | raster | get the "Desktop" right |
| 02:57.44 | jadams_ | as I knew you weren't an asshat without clue 1 on ui :) |
| 02:57.53 | raster | bring it back in line to something users/community want/need |
| 02:58.11 | jadams_ | also, if om's so much about design...why did they get their non-programmer hands all over the guts? |
| 02:58.13 | raster | i have to say |
| 02:58.23 | raster | before i ever saw gta02 - i had high hoeps for glamo and gfx |
| 02:58.34 | raster | but that turned out massively worse than ever expected |
| 02:58.39 | jadams_ | yeah, glamo was a disappointment to me the moment I started seeing benchmarks |
| 02:58.42 | jadams_ | tiny pipe |
| 02:58.45 | mwester | slaxxin: No, no boot splash this early in development. It has to look REALLY ugly - like the whole screen full of kernel panic -- the minute you get a splash screen up, developers stop caring about the errors and warnings, and you get nothing but sloppiness. |
| 02:58.45 | Dave | haha |
| 02:58.47 | Dave | jadams! |
| 02:58.49 | Dave | awesome :D |
| 02:59.22 | raster | mwester: maybe thats the way kernel devs work - defintiely not me |
| 02:59.22 | raster | :) |
| 02:59.29 | slaxxin | there was 1 good bootsplash |
| 03:00.36 | raster | imho there shoudl have just been a gradual move from gsmd+_2007 |
| 03:00.42 | raster | to newer improved tools/apps |
| 03:00.45 | raster | for basic phone stuff |
| 03:00.55 | raster | maybe replace 1 app at a time with a much better one |
| 03:00.59 | raster | and so on |
| 03:01.08 | jadams_ | yeah...and then when you've got phone done |
| 03:01.10 | raster | i know e was workign great with the 2007.x stack to start with |
| 03:01.11 | jadams_ | THEN worry about multiplexing |
| 03:01.13 | raster | as thats all i had to play with |
| 03:01.25 | jadams_ | but that's so far down the road it's silly |
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| 03:02.09 | jadams_ | gsmd+2007 was seriously one ALSA script away from completely usable for me....well, that and a useful contact list, but I assume that's been fixed or so |
| 03:02.33 | raster | yupo |
| 03:02.39 | raster | and some gsmd + sim + calypso bugs |
| 03:02.50 | rooly|away | too bad 2007 couldn't write to sim |
| 03:02.52 | raster | i was always thinking since there was a gsmd team |
| 03:02.55 | raster | that'd just get solved |
| 03:02.58 | jadams_ | raster, do you provide a build of e for gta01, or just freerunner? |
| 03:03.06 | raster | and i was to work on making the ui ifra much better |
| 03:03.15 | raster | jadams_: just freerunner. dont have a gta01 |
| 03:03.19 | raster | mine went awol |
| 03:03.20 | jadams_ | I didn't even need 2007 to write to sim! Just make a damn phone call reliably... |
| 03:03.36 | mwester | He's got a build of e for a treo 650, so I think the neo will run it just fine. |
| 03:03.56 | jadams_ | raster, alright, I'll gladly try a build for the gta01 |
| 03:04.12 | jadams_ | I just got a quad core q6600 in today (parts, just finished the build + intrepid ibex install) |
| 03:04.31 | jadams_ | so a build would give it something to fiddle on |
| 03:04.53 | mwester | knows the q6600 overclocks very nicely |
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| 03:06.24 | Dave | some bugs? |
| 03:06.26 | Dave | sheesh |
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| 03:06.41 | raster | gsmd wasnt too far off |
| 03:06.55 | raster | i think it maybe just needed some epxert attention from some experienced developer(s) |
| 03:06.59 | raster | to clean it up a bit |
| 03:07.07 | raster | but then there were a host of calypso nasties too |
| 03:07.20 | raster | which is just a matter fo bizarre/buggy choice of gsm chip |
| 03:07.21 | raster | :) |
| 03:07.56 | mwester | "bizarre/buggy" <---- polite and kind way of discribing the choice |
| 03:10.25 | raster | heheheh |
| 03:10.32 | raster | well theres reasons behind the choice |
| 03:10.37 | raster | and none of them technical |
| 03:10.53 | raster | let's call it "legacy cruft u are stuck with like it or not" |
| 03:11.06 | mwester | Somebody was thinking "green", and in order to save the environment, they rescued them from a dumpster somewhere? |
| 03:11.20 | raster | hmmm |
| 03:11.22 | raster | no |
| 03:11.23 | sicu | lucky dumpster |
| 03:11.26 | raster | i can't go into those details |
| 03:11.35 | raster | never made public - so company itnernal |
| 03:11.48 | Dave | SECRETS! |
| 03:11.49 | raster | but if u knew them |
| 03:11.50 | mwester | I know, water under the bridge... |
| 03:11.52 | raster | a lot of pins would drop |
| 03:11.59 | Dave | rescued from a dumpster? |
| 03:12.01 | Dave | sounds like me |
| 03:12.07 | raster | and u'd have the lightbulb of "ooooooh that explains a lot" go on. |
| 03:12.07 | Dave | oh SHIT |
| 03:12.14 | Dave | I mean... the pdas I got :P |
| 03:12.29 | raster | and yes |
| 03:12.33 | raster | water under the bridge |
| 03:12.35 | raster | all of it |
| 03:13.38 | Dave | is there a troll there? |
| 03:14.57 | sicu | sewage through the pipes |
| 03:15.01 | raster | most likely |
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| 03:20.25 | sicu | =] e17 just finished compiling successfully =] |
| 03:20.35 | sicu | no need to go to bed now =D |
| 03:21.28 | raster | awwww |
| 03:21.33 | raster | jusrt after it compiles! |
| 03:21.34 | raster | :( |
| 03:23.27 | sicu | raster: meant --> there's no need to go to bed now :p |
| 03:23.51 | raster | ooh |
| 03:23.52 | raster | oops |
| 03:23.54 | raster | missed "no" |
| 03:23.55 | raster | :) |
| 03:24.13 | sicu | have to go to work in 3 hrs anyways ... so we'll skip the sleeping part tonight =] |
| 03:24.31 | CVirus | way to go |
| 03:24.49 | Dave | :P |
| 03:24.53 | Dave | shit |
| 03:24.59 | Dave | more sources! |
| 03:25.02 | Dave | I need to build it :[ |
| 03:25.05 | Dave | my zires are lonely |
| 03:25.31 | sicu | plus i have to try Doc's JK4401 GSM-EMI-noise "fix" |
| 03:25.48 | sicu | soldering without sleep is always interesting |
| 03:27.19 | slaxxin | 36.4 megs for pidgin ?????? |
| 03:27.33 | rooly|away | that does sound outrageous |
| 03:27.42 | rooly|away | is it in debug or something? |
| 03:27.51 | rooly|away | because i can compile a 3d engine in 22 megs in debug mode |
| 03:27.56 | slaxxin | debian install |
| 03:28.27 | slaxxin | apt-get install pidgin |
| 03:29.03 | sicu | i have been enlightened ..... it's purdy |
| 03:29.35 | rooly|away | the fr has apt-get? |
| 03:29.47 | slaxxin | debian |
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| 03:30.28 | sicu | raster: what's you take on OzOs ? |
| 03:30.49 | slaxxin | i think a large inclusion of plugind might be the problem |
| 03:30.57 | sicu | raster: saw a link to it in ubuntu forums when i was reading up on enlightenment ... |
| 03:32.40 | raster | sicu: interesting |
| 03:32.44 | raster | i'm ,looking at it |
| 03:32.49 | raster | i just have been ketp ultra-busy |
| 03:33.49 | sicu | raster: yeh, i've noticed |
| 03:34.20 | mwester | returns from taking his vicious dog outside. |
| 03:34.22 | sicu | raster: take it a little bit easy, so us mere mortals don't have to feel so guilty ;p |
| 03:37.58 | raster | hahaha |
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| 04:15.52 | rooly|away | how do you add words to the qtopia dictionary? |
| 04:19.50 | raster | with a turnip |
| 04:20.09 | raster | it should auto-learn no? |
| 04:20.17 | rooly|away | i dunno |
| 04:20.41 | rooly|away | it doesn't seem to learn people's names too well |
| 04:20.44 | raster | ie enter something not in its dict |
| 04:20.47 | raster | and it will be added |
| 04:21.07 | raster | i know illume's kbd does it |
| 04:21.13 | raster | kind of a necessity |
| 04:21.39 | rooly|away | yeah, but illume's kbd doesn't give you a chance to pick a different word, only the first one you touch |
| 04:23.14 | raster | eh? |
| 04:23.18 | raster | yes it does |
| 04:23.31 | raster | it lists all matches above the keyboard |
| 04:23.39 | raster | left to riught with most likely in the middle |
| 04:23.48 | rooly|away | right |
| 04:23.49 | raster | if the match isnt there (doesnt fit on the horizontal list) |
| 04:23.55 | raster | it'll be in the vertical popup |
| 04:24.00 | raster | (top-left of kbd - hit it) |
| 04:24.02 | rooly|away | ? i never knew that |
| 04:24.04 | rooly|away | neat |
| 04:24.09 | raster | and that also includes the actual letters u typed verbatim |
| 04:24.21 | raster | it can be a long list |
| 04:24.22 | rooly|away | i do like the illume kbd's speed |
| 04:24.23 | raster | sometimes |
| 04:24.32 | raster | qtopia's kbd is fast tho |
| 04:24.34 | rooly|away | but it's always been in the way because it doesn't have what i want to type |
| 04:24.35 | raster | its very good |
| 04:24.49 | raster | if u use more recent illumes |
| 04:24.52 | rooly|away | illume's is fast to start |
| 04:24.52 | raster | they work better |
| 04:25.01 | raster | aaah |
| 04:25.16 | rooly|away | qtopia's works just as fast as the rest of qtopia at any moment |
| 04:25.19 | raster | well its part of e (well illume is a module loaded by e - so it doesnt really "start" its just a window created) |
| 04:25.24 | rooly|away | sometimes it's god-awfully slow |
| 04:25.26 | rooly|away | don't know why |
| 04:25.41 | rooly|away | (the qt one) |
| 04:25.48 | rooly|away | has there been any testing on that? |
| 04:26.57 | raster | testing on? |
| 04:27.37 | rooly|away | the qt kbd |
| 04:27.44 | raster | dunno |
| 04:27.52 | raster | i didnt like parts of its design |
| 04:27.56 | raster | (eg layout hard-coded) |
| 04:27.57 | rooly|away | it just farts slow at times |
| 04:28.01 | raster | so i always avoided it |
| 04:28.07 | raster | well its part of qpe |
| 04:28.16 | rooly|away | i do like it's seperation of symbols and numbers |
| 04:28.17 | raster | the bit qt process doing everything |
| 04:28.26 | raster | (much like e - the big process doing everything for e) |
| 04:29.19 | rooly|away | damnit |
| 04:29.22 | rooly|away | gotta finish this paper |
| 04:29.26 | rooly|away | i'm going to be rather silent for a while |
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| 04:30.56 | raster | ") |
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| 04:36.50 | gurugentoo | can anyone recommend a good text editor for the fr? |
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| 04:37.03 | slaxxin | nano |
| 04:37.18 | gurugentoo | non-terminal options? |
| 04:37.42 | rooly|away | emacs? |
| 04:37.56 | gurugentoo | hehe interesting |
| 04:41.48 | ColdFyre | sed/bash |
| 04:42.16 | gurugentoo | you guys are really helpful heh |
| 04:42.37 | CVirus | lol |
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| 04:44.01 | gurugentoo | I'm looking for a good notetaking program where I can use the stylus to highlight/copy/paste etc. |
| 04:44.23 | gurugentoo | just a simple window with text in it is fine |
| 04:44.58 | gurugentoo | I'll try emacs with the gui... |
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| 04:52.46 | BobOfDoom | woohoo |
| 04:52.47 | BobOfDoom | finally |
| 04:53.03 | BobOfDoom | now has USB mouse connected and working - on Treo 650 XD |
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| 04:59.10 | raster | BobOfDoom: dude |
| 04:59.18 | raster | how does your soldering effor look like? |
| 04:59.20 | raster | a nasty mess? |
| 04:59.21 | raster | :) |
| 05:00.51 | gurugentoo | raster: is there a wiki for illume in debian? is it doable? |
| 05:01.08 | BobOfDoom | raster: yes, turns out the resistors are entirely unnecesary, but I do need to apply external power (since 650 has no hardware to supply the +5V for USB device) so it's not entirely waster effort |
| 05:01.25 | BobOfDoom | raster: it looks like absolutely disgusting |
| 05:01.27 | BobOfDoom | but it works :D |
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| 05:01.55 | raster | grummel: no wiki - but doable |
| 05:02.00 | raster | how do u think its developed? |
| 05:02.03 | raster | with magic mushrooms? |
| 05:02.06 | raster | i do all the dev on ubuntu |
| 05:02.33 | raster | BobOfDoom: but.,.. its entirely non-portable |
| 05:02.41 | gurugentoo | raster: shrooms perhaps, ok that makes sense |
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| 05:02.42 | raster | as having external power just is going to suck |
| 05:02.42 | raster | :( |
| 05:02.59 | BobOfDoom | raster: right, but... *drum roll* |
| 05:03.07 | BobOfDoom | lot of USB stuff can run off 3.7V |
| 05:03.13 | raster | hmmm |
| 05:03.14 | BobOfDoom | and there's a 3.7V output on the treo's connector |
| 05:03.29 | BobOfDoom | (but no pin in the cable , so it's hard to access :( ) |
| 05:03.45 | raster | :/ |
| 05:05.39 | BobOfDoom | hmm |
| 05:05.48 | BobOfDoom | so low-speed devices "just work" |
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| 05:05.56 | BobOfDoom | but for full-speed devices we need a hack |
| 05:06.05 | BobOfDoom | turn on the pull-up register in the clien controller |
| 05:06.26 | BobOfDoom | so that it's actually telling itself that there's a full speed device attached |
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| 05:07.17 | BobOfDoom | D+ pin is getting sucked down to zero |
| 05:07.25 | BobOfDoom | D+ is used to detect full-speed |
| 05:07.28 | BobOfDoom | D- for low speed |
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| 05:10.48 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rde6c31e37c48 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): oeventsd: DBusTrigger can be created from the rules file |
| 05:11.05 | cjb_ie | heh, i had so much pain doing usb device dev before. turns out it helps a lot if you don't misread the schematic and put the wrong pullup on... |
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| 05:12.54 | cjb_ie | ...especially if coding on something very restricted and you make the assumption that you will only ever connect at full speed, and the host thinks different because of the state of D+ and D-... |
| 05:13.28 | raster | BobOfDoom: sounds like much pain |
| 05:13.44 | BobOfDoom | yeah.. |
| 05:13.55 | BobOfDoom | I think I can probably work around it in hardware |
| 05:14.00 | BobOfDoom | by adding an extra pullup |
| 05:14.03 | doc|home | anyone having problems with qtextended and coming out of suspend? |
| 05:14.04 | BobOfDoom | but it's gonna drain power |
| 05:14.19 | BobOfDoom | alternatively, just have to make the user tell it when a full-speed USB device is conneted |
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| 05:14.34 | BobOfDoom | which is not so bad |
| 05:15.05 | BobOfDoom | hunts for more USB devices to connect |
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| 05:46.33 | KenYoung | projects.openmoko.org has been down for many hours... |
| 05:51.51 | sicu | it's working here .... |
| 05:52.23 | KenYoung | Hmmm - I've tried from several machines, on different networks, and can't contact it. |
| 05:52.48 | sicu | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/projects.openmoko.org |
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| 05:53.34 | KenYoung | sicu, Wow - I'd not seen that service before. Thanks. |
| 05:53.46 | sicu | KenYoung: np =] |
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| 08:51.10 | lindi- | can anybody reproduce http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2073? |
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| 09:08.39 | ieatlint | maybe you should stop dereferencing null |
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| 09:40.49 | Kensan | BobOfDoom: is your server (hackndev.com) having troubles? |
| 09:41.27 | BobOfDoom | Kensan: seems like.. hmm |
| 09:41.57 | BobOfDoom | it's not actually my server but I have root on that box so I'll see if i can fix it |
| 09:42.32 | BobOfDoom | 2008-10-17 09:42:16: (mod_fastcgi.c.2882) backend is overloaded; we'll disable it for 2 seconds and send the request to another backend instead: reconnects: 0 load: 387 |
| 09:42.38 | BobOfDoom | hmm |
| 09:43.49 | ieatlint | lightttpd... sounds like you might need more instances running :) |
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| 09:44.49 | BobOfDoom | Kensan: try now |
| 09:44.56 | mani|work | hi^^ |
| 09:45.00 | BobOfDoom | it'd hung hard |
| 09:45.04 | BobOfDoom | had to kill -9 it :/ |
| 09:45.29 | Kensan | BobOfDoom: ok cool it's up again :) |
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| 09:49.57 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03marek * r4720 10/trunk/src/host/pye17/ (6 files in 5 dirs): [pye17] fix segfault on create x11_16, fix "make examples" to update built bindings, remove some warnings |
| 10:02.27 | beni_ | if i need some specific packages out of an specific repository, how will i configure opkg? is there some useful tutorial? |
| 10:02.38 | beni_ | i cant find useful information how opkg works |
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| 10:04.47 | cjb_ie | beni_: try researching ipkg or dpkg, i believe there's a lot of commonality. open to correction on that. |
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| 10:06.18 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * ra72889abf344 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (9 files): opimd: settings merged with framework settings |
| 10:07.09 | beni_ | cjb_ie: yes i already googled around but everywhere just stands "do this and do that" but not _why_ i should do this or that and how that works. |
| 10:07.38 | cjb_ie | dunno then - sorry |
| 10:07.54 | beni_ | it would be cool for example, to be able to stay on stable mostly except for packages that are not present in stable. |
| 10:08.05 | beni_ | but i dont get the idea how i could adjust that |
| 10:08.24 | beni_ | i think ist must have to do with the arch.conf file, but my tests where not successful. |
| 10:08.49 | cjb_ie | i think searching for 'pinning' may help. it's a bit of a black art to me, but that word seems to crop up related to that sort of requirement. |
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| 10:17.06 | beni_ | that damn qpe |
| 10:17.16 | beni_ | scanning 8gb sdhc shit |
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| 10:35.17 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1c74c39b7662 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: lower recamping detect factor to 0.3 :/ |
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| 11:49.44 | pooze | are there some wiki-pages describing a bit more of the FSO than the UI Tutorial? |
| 11:49.55 | pooze | I've just installed FSO 3 and would like to know a bit more about it |
| 11:50.06 | pooze | like how to get updates for instance |
| 11:51.25 | dns53 | i think you just use opkg |
| 11:51.41 | pooze | same repos as 2008.x ? |
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| 11:54.04 | gromez | pooze: no, fso feeds |
| 11:54.33 | gromez | but there are no feeds for MS3, just testing and unstable |
| 11:54.53 | gromez | http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/ |
| 11:56.16 | pooze | which means that I'm either running MS3 (latest stable released image) or I'm running testing, which is not affected by the MS releases? |
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| 12:08.03 | Infoport | hello all! boy I leave for a few weeks and it is quiet in here. ;) I must be the only one who gets up early and goes to the computer |
| 12:08.34 | Tm_T | err, early in where? |
| 12:08.39 | Kensan | Infoport: psst, everybody is busy;) |
| 12:09.20 | Infoport | Tm_T oops, that's right...it's around lunch time in Europe |
| 12:09.35 | pooze | hmm.. I had lunch 2,5 hours ago though.. |
| 12:09.36 | Tm_T | no, it's way past lunch here |
| 12:09.41 | Infoport | or maybe return-from-lunch time |
| 12:09.55 | Tm_T | more like "get back home" time for some (:) |
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| 12:15.28 | Dave | :) |
| 12:15.33 | Dave | Infoport! |
| 12:15.44 | toggles_w | Dave: ! |
| 12:16.08 | Infoport | there is a company in Netherlands offering 3D printing on demand, which should allow all the case-modders to design new Openmoko case expansions easily (Shapeways.com) |
| 12:16.26 | Infoport | hi there Dave! |
| 12:16.26 | dns53 | too expensive i would guess |
| 12:18.13 | Infoport | the slashdot-linked article said "less than $3 per square centimeter" (prob means cubic) |
| 12:18.22 | Dave | Toggles :) |
| 12:18.36 | Dave | :D |
| 12:18.47 | Dave | infoport, cool |
| 12:19.11 | Infoport | a new case back wouldn't cost much at all by that figure, although I'm not sure how stiff a plastic is printed-- it might have to be used to mold a firmer piece |
| 12:21.25 | Dave | TITANIUM |
| 12:22.41 | Infoport | wow! they are offering a new black material at 66.6% discount through the 19th, or $0.97/cm3 including shipping! I guess I'd better start putting some 3d models together |
| 12:23.31 | Dave | hot |
| 12:23.37 | Dave | oh sweet |
| 12:23.40 | Dave | I wonder... |
| 12:27.03 | Infoport | it looks like Shapeways.com is encouraging people to create art, and other consumer items, but seems like its only limited by what you create (and material characteristics-- that's why it may be for prototypes rather than finished cases) |
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| 12:34.24 | KaZeR | i've created an account on shapeways some months ago |
| 12:34.34 | KaZeR | unfortunately, i'm definitely not a designer :) |
| 12:35.01 | Infoport | KaZeR did you make anything? any thoughts about the materials? |
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| 12:37.25 | KaZeR | nop, didn't make anything. i was thinking of a case with a more solid plastic, or even a protection i could put on top of the current case |
| 12:38.45 | dns53 | you can get the cad models from openmoko |
| 12:40.06 | KaZeR | yes, that's how i knew about shapeways |
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| 12:40.31 | Infoport | KaZeR I was thinking of a rugged outer case too. I don't know what 3D program I would use though. The CAD files for the Neo seem to be in a format that isn't understood by the open source software I have downloaded |
| 12:40.57 | dns53 | i'd get myself a reprap and build my own case |
| 12:41.18 | Infoport | dns53 what software understands those CAD models? (something for Linux) |
| 12:41.19 | KaZeR | reprap? |
| 12:41.30 | mjr | dns53, hehe |
| 12:41.52 | mjr | a friend'll probably print me the printable parts of a reprap once he gets his up and running |
| 12:41.58 | dns53 | it's a rapid prototyper that can make itself, it's a little crude at the moment but it does make itself |
| 12:42.07 | mjr | well, it makes some 60% of itself |
| 12:42.18 | dns53 | it makes 100% now |
| 12:42.28 | mjr | no it doesn't |
| 12:42.39 | dns53 | except for the pipes, motors and other stuff you can buy off the shelf |
| 12:42.55 | KaZeR | must be expensive, no? |
| 12:42.59 | mjr | so what you're saying, not 100% |
| 12:43.19 | mjr | KaZeR, not especially |
| 12:43.58 | mjr | I mean sure, it's not cheap as fuck yet, but it's pretty cheap as fuck in comparison to, well, comparable devices |
| 12:44.33 | mjr | three-digit sums to get up and running in the most popular currencies methinks |
| 12:45.03 | dns53 | i think someone was selling them, it's kind of cool anyway |
| 12:45.08 | mjr | see www.reprap.org |
| 12:45.39 | mjr | yes, bitsfrombytes.com sells a mechanical frame kit, and the electronics you could get elsewhere |
| 12:45.44 | mjr | "some assembly required" |
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| 12:46.49 | mjr | anyway, not sure if it'll build "rugged" cases yet... but as said, I'm planning on getting one |
| 12:47.42 | Tm_T | I'm wondering of some kind of waller for neo and keyb for it |
| 12:47.52 | Tm_T | wallet I mean |
| 12:48.12 | mjr | *nod*, well, my keyboard grabs onto the neo anyway, but for that kinda thing it could work well |
| 12:48.28 | Tm_T | mjr: what keyb? |
| 12:48.54 | Tm_T | is in need of well working keyboard for mobile use |
| 12:49.40 | dns53 | i have an eeepc for that |
| 12:49.43 | mjr | that thing, but I think it's not manufactured anymore, might still be around in some stores; http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/freedom-mini-bluetooth-keyboard-for-cellphones-finally-available-203385.php |
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| 12:50.17 | mjr | it's not great, but it has the spring-loaded hinge, and it's "ok" for the type of board |
| 12:50.39 | Tm_T | dns53: I don't and wont prolly |
| 12:51.12 | Tm_T | mjr: aaa freedom mini... maybe that could work |
| 12:52.49 | Infoport | looks like it is missing quite a few keys...wish I could see the keyboard better and see if it has @/.: |
| 12:53.24 | Tm_T | mjr: there's alt or equiv, right? and ctrl, I forgot what it has |
| 12:54.11 | Tm_T | I has been thinking of homemade halfkeyboard |
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| 12:56.06 | nyu | grm no gps input from tangogps |
| 12:56.22 | nyu | I run the "echo 1 > /sys/....." and it's set to 1 |
| 12:56.41 | nyu | also running fsm-gpsd in bg. anything else to look for? |
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| 13:11.14 | Dave | hey nyu |
| 13:11.48 | nyu | hi Dave |
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| 13:25.57 | toggles_w | 0x7c0104bc |
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| 13:47.28 | KaZeR | what's the best scenario file to use to be able to phone? gsmhandset ? |
| 13:48.06 | Tm_T | started rolling SimCity scenarios in his/her/its mind |
| 13:48.26 | emacsen | Tm_T, monsters? |
| 13:48.37 | KaZeR | hehe :) |
| 13:48.51 | KaZeR | i was talking of /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/*.state :) |
| 13:49.19 | Tm_T | emacsen: no monsters, scenario files |
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| 13:50.10 | bipak_ | KaZeR: yes gsmhandset is the default file that gets loaded when calling |
| 13:50.39 | emacsen | oh like "Look, no one has power you jerk" |
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| 13:51.20 | KaZeR | bipak_, thanks. it gets loaded from the scenario directory? so no need to overwrite /etc/asound.state? |
| 13:52.16 | bipak_ | KaZeR: correct. gsmhandset getsloaded from /usr/share/openemoko/scenerios and after the call /etc/asound.state is restored |
| 13:52.43 | KaZeR | ok thanks |
| 13:52.44 | bipak_ | so if you want to change the call volume you need to change the gsmhandset file |
| 13:53.02 | KaZeR | ok thanks |
| 13:53.07 | bipak_ | np :) |
| 13:53.35 | KaZeR | do you have recommanded values? i just made a call, friend had no echo but can't almost hear me |
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| 13:54.26 | bipak_ | with the echo fixes you can pull the mic2 and speaker volumes up to 100% |
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| 13:54.43 | bipak_ | without echo fixes.. i don't know. you should try it out |
| 13:57.14 | KaZeR | mmm. how do i know if i have the echo fix? |
| 13:57.26 | Isajha | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner is this guide up2date? |
| 13:57.42 | KaZeR | (i currently run Fat_and_Dirty_OM.200809_20080927) |
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| 14:01.32 | Infoport | does anybody know of free Linux software that will understand the CAD files provided by Openmoko? ie. in formats like ProE, STEP, IGES? |
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| 14:02.03 | timur | hey guys, now i know this is really not an openmoko question, and i'll probably get bitch-slapped for this, but anyone has recommendations for a smartphone with windows mobile, wifi, bluetooth, and gprs/2.5G/3G? |
| 14:02.15 | bipak_ | KaZeR: replace /opt/Qtopia/.... with this file |
| 14:02.18 | bipak_ | http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/libficgta01vendor-echo-cancellation.so.tar.gz |
| 14:02.24 | KaZeR | thanks bipak_ |
| 14:02.27 | bipak_ | make a backup of the old one before ,) |
| 14:02.30 | KaZeR | sure :) |
| 14:02.39 | KaZeR | would you mind to share your state file meanwhile? |
| 14:02.49 | bipak_ | mom |
| 14:03.10 | bipak_ | http://danielnoethen.de/gsmhandset.state |
| 14:03.31 | KaZeR | thanks |
| 14:03.48 | KaZeR | fix is common to gta01 & gta02, right? |
| 14:04.03 | bipak_ | yes |
| 14:04.13 | Infoport | CAD files are free, but I can't seem to use them without paying for software... |
| 14:04.14 | KaZeR | thank you :) |
| 14:04.23 | bipak_ | gta02 is still named gta01 in qtopia... |
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| 14:05.28 | jones | is there anything i nthe wiki about rasters build yet? |
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| 14:07.32 | raster | why should there be? |
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| 14:10.16 | Infoport | later! |
| 14:10.24 | raster | before! |
| 14:10.33 | raster | sooner! |
| 14:11.53 | slaxxin | can i have a link to your build raster:) |
| 14:12.47 | KaZeR | uh. i almost became deaf. i was making a testcall for bipak_'s settings, a message arrived at the same time, and the phone started to make some kind of larsen effect |
| 14:13.12 | raster | slaxxin: rasterman.com has links |
| 14:13.17 | raster | i gave all the info |
| 14:13.22 | slaxxin | think ya |
| 14:14.50 | toggles_w | raster: ! you got ./-ed, did it hurt? ;-) |
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| 14:15.15 | bipak_ | KaZeR: uuh :( |
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| 14:15.32 | bipak_ | output volume too high? |
| 14:15.37 | bipak_ | hmm strange |
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| 14:16.49 | raster | toggles_w: i live in a /. proof bunker deep underground |
| 14:17.05 | toggles_w | sweet |
| 14:17.07 | bipak_ | lol |
| 14:17.50 | Shlee | Memcached protected doors. |
| 14:18.11 | bipak_ | KaZeR: did you restart X after replacing the file? |
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| 14:19.26 | jones | just checking if i was blind or not |
| 14:19.29 | bipak_ | hmm |
| 14:19.34 | bipak_ | i cant find an edit button on this page |
| 14:19.36 | bipak_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Improving_user_experience |
| 14:20.15 | toggles_w | bipak_: lol |
| 14:20.48 | KaZeR | bipak_, yes i did. just got another call.. damn my head hurt :) |
| 14:20.56 | bipak_ | toggles_w: thats not funny ;) |
| 14:21.08 | toggles_w | lol yes it is ;-) |
| 14:21.47 | bipak_ | KaZeR: hmmm. can't explain that. for me its good. but i use 2008.9.. |
| 14:22.19 | KaZeR | ok. i'll try to play a bit with the settings. i should lower the mic, right? |
| 14:22.38 | bipak_ | the speaker volume |
| 14:22.41 | KaZeR | ok |
| 14:22.49 | KaZeR | btw, can you send sms from ssh? |
| 14:23.17 | bipak_ | i don't know |
| 14:23.28 | bipak_ | should be possible |
| 14:23.37 | bipak_ | or use VNC :) |
| 14:23.40 | bipak_ | thats funny |
| 14:23.47 | bipak_ | toggles_w: where is it? :D |
| 14:24.12 | KaZeR | hepaajan_, in fact ssh -X should work. what's the sms app name? |
| 14:24.36 | toggles_w | bipak_: lol the page might get too big for google to archive if ther put one on |
| 14:24.47 | KaZeR | grmmm why did i use tab here. sorry for the highlight |
| 14:25.16 | zash | no "how to manualy use sms" on the wiki? |
| 14:25.30 | zash | someone should have created a cli smstool |
| 14:25.47 | bipak_ | toggles_w: lol. so how can we vote? *confused* |
| 14:26.57 | Tm_T | bipak_: logged in? |
| 14:27.00 | KaZeR | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.04 | torindel | zash: depends what you use |
| 14:27.12 | bipak_ | Tm_T: aah found the button! |
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| 14:27.18 | bipak_ | looked for something in orange |
| 14:27.22 | torindel | on fso you can do it easly with small python script |
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| 14:27.50 | zash | torindel: dbus call, right? |
| 14:28.03 | zash | so it should work with just a dbus client |
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| 14:28.23 | zash | .. from cli |
| 14:28.25 | mapmagic | I am looking for GPS traces of cell phones...is this data available somewhere ? |
| 14:28.28 | zash | <3 cli |
| 14:28.30 | torindel | zash: (for working example see zhone ;] if you use fso) |
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| 14:28.52 | torindel | as you can do the same but without gui |
| 14:29.04 | zash | has no neo :( |
| 14:29.06 | zash | yet |
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| 14:40.05 | toggles_w | zash: it's the one |
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| 15:09.54 | slaxxin | untill the repacement noeo is born |
| 15:10.10 | slaxxin | l* |
| 15:11.14 | slaxxin | the "KEEP IT SIMPLE " approach is the better plan |
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| 15:17.57 | sicu | Infoport: the best would be to tell the "design guys" to export the CAD files as STL |
| 15:18.25 | sicu | Infoport: or you could try something like: http://on-the-web.ch/3dc/ or http://www.hpfem.jku.at/netgen/ |
| 15:21.01 | sicu | i know Blender has support for STL though |
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| 15:43.35 | bakarat | i was wondering, is it actually possible to install android on openmoko? |
| 15:43.47 | bakarat | well probably possible, but has it been done before? :D |
| 15:44.56 | mickeyl | no |
| 15:45.15 | mickeyl | ask again when the sources are released |
| 15:45.34 | bakarat | mickeyl: o, i thought they had, my bad :> |
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| 15:46.04 | Kensan | bakarat: nope, not even the beta ;) |
| 15:46.20 | bakarat | Kensan: dang... |
| 15:46.24 | bakarat | i thought it was supposed to be open source? |
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| 15:46.56 | Kensan | bakarat: well many companies say they do the "open source" thing... many of them have yet to follow through. |
| 15:47.11 | bakarat | Kensan: that sux :( |
| 15:47.12 | Kensan | bakarat: let's hope google does. |
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| 15:47.36 | bakarat | Kensan: i would buy an openmoko in an instant if a) i could testdrive it at my local store b) i wasn't discouraged by people in this very channel for using it as a daily phone :D |
| 15:47.53 | bricode | Android kernel sources are available. |
| 15:48.11 | bricode | I imagine the rest will be released once T-mo is shipping phones. |
| 15:48.41 | mwester | loves optimism on a Friday morning |
| 15:48.46 | Kensan | bricode: really? mind to share the source? |
| 15:48.52 | KaZeR | i've followed this guide : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/BitBake trying to build a package, but it fails miserably : http://pastebin.com/d51f9a147 can anyone help? |
| 15:49.33 | bricode | Kensan: http://git.android.com/ |
| 15:49.46 | bricode | Kensan: I've got a kernel with the Android patches running on the FR. |
| 15:50.04 | jones | i use it daliy and its pretty good |
| 15:50.49 | bakarat | jones: main functionality i'm looking for atm is gps / calendar syncing / voip (off the top of my head) |
| 15:51.00 | Kensan | bricode: cool. |
| 15:51.02 | jones | i odnt have nay of that |
| 15:51.19 | jones | thats mostly because i cant get through my uni network with it |
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| 15:52.30 | Kensan | that commitmsg sounds interesting: http://git.android.com/?p=kernel.git;a=commit;h=5f6b6b5d3525ed032d070625358c81f4f19254ea |
| 15:53.34 | bricode | Kensan: From my understanding they're trying to push some of the kernel patches upstream, but are running into a bit of resistance. |
| 15:54.26 | Kensan | bricode: how come? Are they going via the arm subsystem (Russel)? |
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| 15:55.20 | Kensan | bricode: I thought they had longstanding kernel hackers on board... at least Robert Love shows up in the commit log... |
| 15:55.42 | bricode | Kensan: I'm not totally sure, but I think it's because they're touching/exposing stuff in various subsystems...ie: vm management, network stuff etc. |
| 15:56.01 | bricode | Kensan: They do, but making changes to the kernel and having them accepted into mainline are two different things. |
| 15:56.36 | Kensan | bricode: sure, but if you have longstanding kernel hackers, they know a lot about the process etc so the patches should be in much better shape. |
| 15:56.37 | bricode | Kensan: The good news is that the patches created from the Android git apply fairly cleanly against the OM kernel git. |
| 15:57.07 | Kensan | bricode: d'you happen to know what they have touched? |
| 15:57.11 | bricode | Kensan: I don't think it's a matter of semantics, but underlying theory. |
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| 15:58.35 | Kensan | bricode: please elaborate |
| 15:59.04 | bricode | Kensan: To be honest, I haven't been fully tracking it. |
| 15:59.08 | bricode | Kensan: http://pastebin.ca/1229463 |
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| 15:59.39 | bricode | Kensan: Note, slashes replaced by underscores. |
| 16:00.39 | Kensan | bricode: yeah, I cloning the repos right now. gonna have a gander myself :) |
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| 16:03.43 | break_free | has anyone tried rasterman's image? Does it have phone services running? |
| 16:06.23 | break_free | lively conversation today |
| 16:06.41 | Kensan | break_free: it does not contain any telephony apps |
| 16:07.02 | Kensan | break_free: or any other apps besides the alarm clock. It's simply rasters devel image. |
| 16:08.53 | break_free | is there a chance of seeing that interface on ASU? It looks real nice from the videos |
| 16:09.02 | break_free | or installing it in ASU |
| 16:11.03 | Dave | :) |
| 16:11.48 | bricode | Dave: Why you so smiley? |
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| 16:12.33 | Dave | :D |
| 16:13.06 | Kensan | break_free: well you can install all the phone apps on top of rasters image. |
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| 16:15.05 | toggles_w | Kensan: show me the howto! ;-) |
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| 16:15.46 | Kensan | toggles_w: put the feed. opkg install "all-the-stuff-you-want" |
| 16:15.50 | Kensan | toggles_w: something like that? ;) |
| 16:16.13 | eragon | Maybe do the same thing as with the base image: http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/10/getting-started-with-base-image.html |
| 16:16.27 | eragon | look at the 'install phone software' |
| 16:17.01 | emacsen | is GPS working on recent builds? |
| 16:17.11 | emacsen | for simple logging |
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| 16:25.38 | sicu | when backing up kernel, is it best to use dfu or scp ? |
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| 16:27.13 | sicu | or perhaps it doesn't matter ? |
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| 16:35.47 | KaZeR | anyone familiar with bitbake ? |
| 16:36.52 | Kensan | KaZeR: ask away, if nobody knows the answer to you question nobody will answer. |
| 16:36.59 | KaZeR | i've followed this guide : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/BitBake trying to build a package, but it fails miserably : http://pastebin.com/d51f9a147 can anyone help? |
| 16:38.38 | Kensan | KaZeR: the sha1 does not seem to exist in the andy-branch. |
| 16:38.48 | Kensan | KaZeR: are you sure it's the correct branch? |
| 16:39.18 | KaZeR | mmm.. i've followed (and understood) each steps of the doc from the wiki |
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| 16:42.29 | Kensan | KaZeR: well /home/kazer/moko/openmoko/packages/linux/linux-openmoko-devel_git.bb does not contain a valid hashid for the kernel I guess. I think it should fetch from the stable branch and not andy... |
| 16:42.46 | KaZeR | mmm |
| 16:43.00 | KaZeR | how can i switch branch? |
| 16:44.11 | Kensan | KaZeR: hm the bb-recipe should specify all that. |
| 16:47.40 | iwc | hmm i think the path should be /home/kazer/moko/build/tmp/staging instead of /home/kazer/moko/build//staging |
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| 17:05.48 | KaZeR | iwc, might be right. i changed it, it's rebuilding the cache. let's cross fingers :) |
| 17:05.59 | KaZeR | Kensan, i found nothing about the branch in the bb |
| 17:07.46 | Kensan | KaZeR: what packge/image are you actually trying to build? |
| 17:08.03 | KaZeR | navit_svn |
| 17:08.22 | KaZeR | i got the fetch error, but it got past |
| 17:09.43 | KaZeR | erm |
| 17:10.30 | KaZeR | it fails in fact |
| 17:11.18 | Kensan | KaZeR: maybe you should get it to use the stable kernel not the devel_git one |
| 17:11.31 | KaZeR | Kensan, i'd love too |
| 17:13.38 | Kensan | KaZeR: try bitbake -g navit_svn |
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| 17:13.57 | Kensan | KaZeR: it should spit out a dot graph. Maybe you can see where the kernel gets sucked in and fix that dependency |
| 17:13.59 | KaZeR | ah, i already tweaked the kernel bb file |
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| 17:15.50 | KaZeR | i removed the branch part, it seems to go further |
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| 17:16.34 | KaZeR | ah time to lunch. thanks for your help |
| 17:20.04 | Sargun_Screen | LUNCH. |
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| 17:41.58 | arquebus | when is someone going to make an open cellphone like this: http://openpandora.org/ |
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| 17:49.11 | mjr | 'course, that isn't actually open |
| 17:49.23 | Tig| | 'nings all :) |
| 17:49.41 | mjr | at least the powervr stuff |
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| 17:49.56 | Tig| | has anyone got paroli working under fso/raster |
| 17:54.43 | Dave | Tigs |
| 17:54.49 | Dave | haha fso/raster |
| 17:54.57 | toggles_w | LOL! |
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| 17:59.26 | Tig| | 'nings Dave |
| 17:59.43 | Tig| | I am running raster's image with some FSO doobries bolted on |
| 18:00.51 | Tig| | it is just as useful as all the other images I have tried and it looks a lot nicer and boots in under 1 week |
| 18:01.17 | emacsen | does it ship with any nice apps? |
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| 18:01.56 | Tig| | emacsen, doesn't ship with much as it is more of a test bed image for gui stuff |
| 18:02.16 | emacsen | Tig|, fair nuff. The gui on the current apps suck |
| 18:02.25 | emacsen | qtopia is slightly nicer |
| 18:02.29 | Tig| | so only a terminal a screenshot app and the world's nicest alarm clock config app :) it is really nice :) |
| 18:02.38 | emacsen | does that image have the kernel that has the long bat life? |
| 18:02.49 | Tig| | no idea only just flashed it :) |
| 18:03.06 | Tig| | it is a recent fso kernel afaics |
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| 18:03.13 | emacsen | I may need to try it |
| 18:03.21 | emacsen | wifi work? |
| 18:03.53 | Tig| | not tried wifi or gsm yet as I have put my spare sim in another phone |
| 18:04.56 | emacsen | wifi is a biggun for me |
| 18:05.01 | Kensan | emacsen: since it's being built entierly in openembedded it's the kernel that gets built with those recipes. |
| 18:05.35 | emacsen | gotcha |
| 18:06.26 | Tig| | whoops zhone config just segged enlightenment and now I have a console screen with the error: Naughty Programmer Spank Spank Spank Now Go and fix your code tut tut tut :) |
| 18:07.04 | emacsen | very helpful error message raster... |
| 18:07.32 | Kensan | Tig|: please do spank him when you see him. |
| 18:07.52 | Tig| | emacsen, it does give a proper error first :) |
| 18:07.56 | emacsen | oh ok |
| 18:11.47 | break_free | what kernel should I use with the FDOM 20080927? |
| 18:12.13 | KaZeR | mmm. i have the same bitbake issue with the master branch : http://pastebin.com/d2f191bb9 |
| 18:12.33 | Tig| | the theme really knocks the socks off the other ones though :) |
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| 18:16.45 | Kensan | KaZeR: where does that (c0a2797d7ba8f6e07187794ccd2664ca3209b613) hashid come from? it does not seem to exist. |
| 18:17.14 | KaZeR | i wish i knew :) |
| 18:17.28 | Kensan | KaZeR: grep the conf files |
| 18:17.50 | KaZeR | ./openmoko/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc:SRCREV_pn-linux-openmoko-devel ?= "c0a2797d7ba8f6e07187794ccd2664ca3209b613" |
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| 18:23.14 | Kensan | KaZeR: maybe you would want to replace that with a sane hash id |
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| 18:24.12 | KaZeR | Kensan, how can i determine a sane hash id? |
| 18:24.59 | Kensan | KaZeR: which branch are you using? stable or andy? |
| 18:25.39 | Kensan | KaZeR: if it's stable try this one: "933f18caaf8f96d1094f064312d416a2fe0b4337" |
| 18:26.49 | KaZeR | ok thanks |
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| 18:29.00 | Na-Gateaux | hello everybody |
| 18:29.31 | Na-Gateaux | mozilla's released fennec beta 1, do you think it can run on OM ? |
| 18:31.20 | gurugentoo | lol I just read that not 5 minutes ago |
| 18:31.47 | Dave | hey guru :) |
| 18:32.07 | gurugentoo | Dave: afternoon |
| 18:32.12 | KaZeR | Kensan, looks much better, thanks (ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'navit_svn' (but '[]' DEPENDS on or otherwise requires it)) |
| 18:32.31 | Kensan | KaZeR: eh... that error does not look better imho :) |
| 18:32.34 | KaZeR | Kensan, the /sane-srcrevs.inc should be updated then no? |
| 18:32.38 | Kensan | KaZeR: so the kernel built? |
| 18:33.00 | KaZeR | at least, this part didn't fail/cry : NOTE: Handling BitBake files: \ (6080/6080) [100 %] |
| 18:33.08 | KaZeR | usually it would cry at 42% |
| 18:35.11 | KaZeR | Kensan, trying to build navit instead of navit svn seems to work (task 23 out of 1848) |
| 18:35.42 | Kensan | ok |
| 18:35.48 | Kensan | so it's going to be a while ;) |
| 18:35.51 | KaZeR | where should i report this sane-srcrevs.inc error? i'm probably not the only one having it? |
| 18:35.53 | KaZeR | yes indeed :D |
| 18:36.03 | KaZeR | i should have time'd it |
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| 18:36.44 | Graf_Ithaka | hi there :) |
| 18:38.28 | Kensan | Na-Gateaux: fennec seems to be in openembedded |
| 18:38.34 | Kensan | Na-Gateaux: you could try to build it |
| 18:38.55 | Kensan | KaZeR: maybe the error already got fixed? |
| 18:39.00 | Kensan | KaZeR: let me check |
| 18:39.50 | KaZeR | Kensan, i updated my git right before testing |
| 18:40.46 | Kensan | KaZeR: maybe andy has rebased his git tree. |
| 18:41.09 | Kensan | KaZeR: you should probably report it in the openmoko-trac ticketing system. |
| 18:41.33 | KaZeR | my question in fact it just "should i report this error, and where". i could easily make a fresh test tommorow or in two days and see if the problem is still there |
| 18:42.24 | mapmagic | There is a problematic node in the latest planet-latest.osm.bz2 file. Look here: http://pastebin.com/d63ec9b68 |
| 18:43.00 | mapmagic | note that the node 304700423 does not appear in any "<node " element but just appears in a way element! |
| 18:43.50 | mapmagic | What I don't understand is that the online version actually has the value of the node! |
| 18:45.07 | KaZeR | mapmagic, from #navit where the issue was discussed yesterday : |
| 18:45.09 | KaZeR | <cp15> Magicblaze007, the planet.osm is full of ways which refer non existing nodes |
| 18:45.09 | KaZeR | <cp15> Unfortunately osm doesn't get the database right |
| 18:45.09 | KaZeR | <cp15> Once I fixed all that occurrences, but they appeared again |
| 18:45.09 | KaZeR | <cp15> I opened a ticket and their response was "we won't fix this until we have transactions" |
| 18:45.39 | mapmagic | KaZeR: Thanks a lot. I missed cp15s answer. |
| 18:45.51 | Kensan | KaZeR: I think reporting it would be good if it's not reported before that is. Don't ask me how one can sensibly search for a ticket in trac : I don't know. |
| 18:45.58 | KaZeR | mapmagic, no problem |
| 18:46.09 | KaZeR | Kensan, hehe thanks :) |
| 18:46.27 | Kensan | wonders why OM moved from bugzilla to trac... |
| 18:46.49 | KaZeR | actually, i prefer trac over bugzilla. more user friendly imo |
| 18:46.49 | mapmagic | What I don't understand is that on the web, the node shows up ok. Just the planet.osm file does not have the node definition. This means that the process that exports the web data to an osm file might have a bug? |
| 18:47.01 | KaZeR | mapmagic, possible, indeed |
| 18:47.36 | Kensan | KaZeR: IMHO not the ticketing part. I have yet to find out how one can search for tickets... |
| 18:48.28 | KaZeR | well, what's wrong with typing your search in the search box? sane-srcrevs.inc gives me only 3 results, which doesn't seem related to my issue |
| 18:49.20 | KaZeR | Kensan, (it wasn't meant to be rude or anything, i just don't see yet what bother you) |
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| 18:53.11 | Kensan | KaZeR: how do I search for "kernel" tickets related to GTA01? |
| 18:53.18 | Kensan | for example |
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| 18:55.04 | Kensan | KaZeR: afaik one would have to do a "custom query", add filters one by one etc. |
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| 18:55.28 | Kensan | KaZeR: In Bugzilla you could do it via advanced search features, all accesible in one mask. |
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| 18:55.44 | KaZeR | ah ok |
| 18:55.46 | Kensan | KaZeR: but it's more a matter of taste I guess. |
| 18:56.33 | Kensan | KaZeR: and by the way: if you would want to be rude to me, you would need to try a lot harder *hehe* |
| 18:56.45 | KaZeR | hehe good to know :) |
| 18:57.24 | KaZeR | i'm just cautious, sometimes on a text-only media like irc words can be misinterpreted |
| 18:57.26 | mapmagic | so whom can we ask questions about planet.osm being bad?? |
| 18:57.37 | Kensan | KaZeR: true. |
| 18:58.43 | Kensan | mapmagic: #openstreetmap ? |
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| 18:59.31 | KaZeR | mapmagic, Brett, author of osmosis? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User:Brett |
| 18:59.35 | mapmagic | any particular person who is responsible to generate planet-latest.osm.bz2? |
| 18:59.42 | Kero | hey, looks like I'm getting an autorev FSO image compiled... |
| 19:00.13 | Kensan | mapmagic: You should probably ask in the #openstreetmap channel. |
| 19:00.32 | mapmagic | Will do, thanks. |
| 19:02.33 | KaZeR | between 2008.9, fso and shr, which one should be the more stable/daily usable? |
| 19:04.31 | mwester | KaZeR: Depends on your needs, honestly. |
| 19:04.50 | mwester | But add Qtopia/QT Extended to the list if you wish it to act like a cellular phone in any way. |
| 19:05.08 | Kensan | mwester: oh there you are :) |
| 19:05.27 | KaZeR | i tested qtopia & qtextended. i have to agree that they look great, and behave quite well |
| 19:05.39 | Kensan | mwester: how is the GTA01 patch doing? Has GPS improved? |
| 19:05.42 | KaZeR | i only had the echo issue, and the deregistering one |
| 19:05.59 | mwester | :) I are here. I am supposed to be doing work, but I am afraid of losing my soul if I spend too much time with this Java project. |
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| 19:06.17 | mwester | GTA01 patch is done and submitted; Andy is travelling so it won't appear for a while. |
| 19:06.30 | Dave | Hmm, what? |
| 19:06.32 | Kensan | mwester: tread carefully in java land... |
| 19:06.37 | Dave | eww, Java... |
| 19:06.41 | Dave | it smells bad :[ |
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| 19:06.55 | mwester | KaZeR: FSO probaby has the best support for fixing the echo and deregister problems; i think you'll have to wait for the next Qt Extended release to pick those fixes up. |
| 19:07.29 | Kensan | mwester: are you testing self-built/test kernels with qemu? |
| 19:07.37 | wootdub | so how is openmoko comming along? |
| 19:07.46 | wootdub | ive been running openezx on my motorola a780 |
| 19:07.52 | mwester | SHR is looking for testers, and looks good. 2008.9 is, IMO, not even worth flashing on your phone. It was doomed from inception, and is doomed still. |
| 19:07.53 | wootdub | wanting to get a phone with openmoko on it too |
| 19:08.10 | Kensan | wootdub: rather tough question. |
| 19:08.21 | Kensan | mwester: *nod* |
| 19:08.23 | mwester | Kensan: I have no patience for qemu, and much of what I mess with requires a real device anyway. |
| 19:08.46 | Tig| | mwester, are the SHR images for the FR? there are only GTA01 on the shr bearstech buildhost |
| 19:09.02 | mwester | Tig|: I suspect the autobuilder hasn't gotten to the GTA02 images yet. |
| 19:09.09 | Kensan | mwester: right on. I was messing with mdev/udev etc but it's a bit of a hassle to debug. I though maybe qemu could help. |
| 19:09.16 | mwester | There's been a lot of churn in the OE repository lately, much of it forcing total rebuilds. |
| 19:09.35 | Tig| | mwester, it has been like that for ages I have checked every few days |
| 19:09.36 | Kensan | mwester: yeah noticed that. Is it because of the move from mtn to git? |
| 19:10.13 | mwester | Partially the git move, but a few things that just seemed to be worth changing during the disruption. |
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| 19:10.31 | wootdub | would it be worth it for me to flash my phone and put openmoko on it? ive heard that i can dual boot |
| 19:11.01 | mwester | Tig|: My local FSO build built both 01 and 02; there must be something else wrong with the feeds then. Give it time, the folks running those autobuilders are volunteers. |
| 19:11.12 | KaZeR | mwester, thanks for the infos. i've been told ealier today in #qtopia that latest 4.3.3 should include the echo patch, but trying to make a call just make qtopia to crash for me |
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| 19:11.55 | mwester | Hmm... |
| 19:12.00 | KaZeR | mwester, so, a good way would be FSO on phone and SHR on SD? is it worth using a distro from SD? speed, etc? |
| 19:12.14 | henkie_ | who usable is FSO? |
| 19:12.32 | Kensan | wootdub: it depends on what you want to do with it. |
| 19:13.07 | wootdub | i want to play with it |
| 19:13.12 | wootdub | but keep my phone working |
| 19:13.16 | henkie_ | only one way to find out! :) |
| 19:13.17 | mwester | You'll have to make the determination on usability of FSO and SHR yourself. Frankly, none of the distros meet my minimum requirement to be my "only" phone at the moment, for various reasons. But Qtopia has come the closest. And 2008.x is the farthest away. |
| 19:13.50 | KaZeR | thanks mwester. i might go back to qtopia then. 4.4 or 4.3 ? |
| 19:14.04 | KaZeR | also, anyone has an opinion about using a distro from the uSD? |
| 19:14.07 | henkie_ | agree, now if they only can make the volume better and get rid of the echo |
| 19:14.11 | mwester | wootdub: dual boot would be a function of the image for your phone, not of the software itself -- so you would need to see fi the underlying bootloader adn Linux for that hardware can do it. |
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| 19:14.29 | Kensan | wootdub: if you can dualboot then sure. :) |
| 19:14.50 | mwester | KaZeR: 4.4.1 has some bugs, and many folks find them to be worse than the 4.3 images... |
| 19:15.21 | KaZeR | mwester, actually, i was able to make some calls with 4.4 :) |
| 19:15.34 | KaZeR | (with echo, etc, but at least it didn't crash) |
| 19:15.40 | KaZeR | i might give 4.3 another try tomorrow |
| 19:15.41 | mwester | Me too. At this point I have a rather modified 4.4.1 version that I run. |
| 19:15.51 | KaZeR | modified? |
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| 19:16.24 | mwester | Yes. I used Qtopia and QT Extended to test the bouncy calypso problem and the workaround for it (bug #1024) |
| 19:16.43 | mwester | So that's where the proof-of-concept patches were written. |
| 19:16.52 | KaZeR | andred, does the workaround works as you expected? |
| 19:17.12 | KaZeR | damn it |
| 19:17.14 | mwester | The workaround is both as good and as bad as expected. |
| 19:17.15 | KaZeR | *and* |
| 19:17.24 | KaZeR | lol. wallpainting, right ? :) |
| 19:17.48 | mwester | It fixes the bounce, but the cost is that the GSM can *never* enter deep sleep, so you'll never have the battery life you would have if the real problem were to be fixed. |
| 19:18.00 | malik1972 | KaZeR: lpotter put it also into 4.3.3, did you noticed re-registering? |
| 19:18.04 | mwester | No, the "spackling" or wallpapering did not work. |
| 19:18.23 | KaZeR | malik1972, no re-registering. but no call for me when i tried it |
| 19:18.33 | Dave | How are you gentlemen? |
| 19:18.35 | mwester | The workaround is to send an undocumented command to the GSM to cause it to disable "deep sleep" mode. |
| 19:18.40 | Dave | Mwester :[ |
| 19:18.41 | malik1972 | KaZeR: i know, i have the same problem |
| 19:18.52 | Dave | Is that what the problem or crappy workaround was? |
| 19:19.03 | Dave | Furthermore, have you updated your calypso page indicating such? |
| 19:19.14 | Dave | I enjoyed reading it the first time :) |
| 19:19.16 | KaZeR | malik1972, indeed, just found back our chat from earlier today :) |
| 19:19.29 | mwester | Yes, the page was updated, and so was the bug -- but the page could use a re-do because it's not real obvious. |
| 19:19.36 | mwester | (I don't do web sites very well) |
| 19:19.41 | Dave | That's okay. |
| 19:19.44 | Dave | We still like you :) |
| 19:20.06 | mwester | sheds a tear for joy... |
| 19:20.08 | KaZeR | mwester, indeed, my first read of your page was a bit disapointing :) |
| 19:20.10 | mwester | :p |
| 19:20.11 | Hire | me not |
| 19:20.12 | Dave | :D |
| 19:20.47 | henkie_ | hmm |
| 19:21.04 | henkie_ | is this a valid image? openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080911-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary from http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ |
| 19:21.27 | Hire | yes, but it's dated |
| 19:21.36 | break_free | is there anyway to change the illume theme? |
| 19:21.49 | Hire | yes |
| 19:21.56 | henkie_ | is there a newer one? or can i update it once installed? |
| 19:21.58 | Hire | you can decompress the edje |
| 19:22.01 | Hire | and change it |
| 19:22.15 | Hire | ehr |
| 19:22.19 | Graf_Ithaka | yep its quite fun once you've understood the syntax ;) |
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| 19:22.32 | Hire | i dont remberer if the ms3 has feeds |
| 19:22.34 | Hire | however |
| 19:23.40 | Hire | nothing |
| 19:23.49 | Hire | :( |
| 19:23.51 | henkie_ | nice buildup :) |
| 19:24.11 | Dave | yeah... "fun" ... ¬_¬ |
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| 19:24.29 | Dave | Mwester, I still need to build illume for the zire :[ |
| 19:24.30 | Graf_Ithaka | argh - copying 40mb to microsd over wlan.. would've been faster to take out the microsd.. |
| 19:24.34 | malik1972 | mwester: i switched to qtopia some time ago but i have the feeling that its getting worse:-) |
| 19:24.34 | Hire | why? it's quite fun |
| 19:24.38 | Dave | I hope to have it done by tomorrow morning. |
| 19:24.46 | Kensan | Dave: how many did you fry in the meantime? |
| 19:25.03 | Dave | Hey, shut up! That's not the point! :P |
| 19:25.11 | Kero | mm, the problems I seemed to have with kernel for fso testing seem to have been fixed? I didn't even ask about them yet :) |
| 19:25.17 | Kensan | Dave: well we all know you have backup so no issue there :) |
| 19:25.25 | malik1972 | mwester: did you make any tests with fso stuff? |
| 19:25.27 | Kensan | Dave: oh btw, you could send me one. |
| 19:25.27 | Dave | haha, good point ;D |
| 19:25.31 | Dave | uh huh :P |
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| 19:25.39 | Dave | I'll set you up the bomb, too :P |
| 19:25.46 | mwester | malik1972: The source is downloadable -- and Trolltech/Nokia will happily take patches. |
| 19:25.58 | Kensan | Dave: that's why I would have given you my neighbours address. |
| 19:25.59 | Dave | TROLLS |
| 19:26.06 | Dave | Kensan, everybody wins!! |
| 19:26.07 | Dave | :D |
| 19:26.15 | malik1972 | mwester: you will feed them right?;-) |
| 19:26.19 | Graf_Ithaka | fun.. hm just because figuring out how to change the wallpaper of 2008.8 took my some hours cause i never played around with e, so I had to find out how to work with its theme-files, where to find them etc ;) |
| 19:26.20 | Dave | get it sent to your relatives |
| 19:26.21 | Dave | :p |
| 19:26.22 | Kensan | Dave: depends. |
| 19:26.26 | Dave | :P |
| 19:26.53 | Hire | henkie_ http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/ |
| 19:27.22 | henkie_ | ah, tnx Hire |
| 19:28.21 | henkie_ | is it wise to abort a dfu-util in progress? |
| 19:28.51 | Tig| | mwester, apologies, I was not complaining :) I was just wondering if there were images anywhere :) |
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| 19:38.26 | Dave | Hah, sure you were Tig... sure you were :P |
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| 19:42.19 | spydon | Is there any updated version of that awesome accelerometer snake game? :P |
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| 19:46.29 | edistar | hi, anyone french around? |
| 19:50.34 | FilipLinux4BE | edistar: half french |
| 19:52.08 | edistar | FilipLinux4BE: can you tell me what 'moriginez' means? it seems to be medieval french |
| 19:53.27 | Kero | no, I just have an older kernel than intended. hm. will try to use kernel + image anyway. |
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| 19:56.37 | FilipLinux4BE | hmm, could it be morigéner ? |
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| 19:57.26 | FilipLinux4BE | (latin médiéval morigenatus, du latin classique morigeratus, docile) Réprimander quelqu'un en lui faisant une leçon de morale ; sermonner. |
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| 19:59.51 | edistar | FilipLinux4BE: thanks.. it says moriginez, but it's old so one never knows ;) |
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| 20:20.06 | slaxxin | For example compiling natively is a snap w/ debian, just apt-get gcc&libc-dev (on gentoo too) and not so easy w/ om images :) (borked compiler, borked headers). |
| 20:20.15 | slaxxin | why is that? |
| 20:25.30 | mwester | because none of the developers build on the device,perhaps |
| 20:25.31 | mwester | ? |
| 20:25.46 | Tm_T | hi mwester && kids |
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| 20:50.14 | henkie_ | does the FSO have my gps device already set correct? |
| 20:50.44 | linuxxr | 2 or 3 or what |
| 20:51.19 | linuxxr | milestone 1? |
| 20:51.36 | henkie_ | using latest testing image |
| 20:51.56 | henkie_ | but i cannot find the config |
| 20:52.44 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r8910efcb0c91 10/ (10 files in 5 dirs): ousage: add error specs |
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| 20:52.57 | henkie_ | i do see a python process with the /dev/ttySAC1 device opened |
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| 20:58.14 | sicu|gone | Tig|: there are GTA02 images there as well ... and have been for a while |
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| 20:59.45 | sicu|gone | Tig|: the folder name might've confused ppl as both 01 and 02 images are in the neo1973 folder |
| 20:59.59 | sicu | Tig|: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ |
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| 21:04.06 | Graf_Ithaka | argh - i tried to boot qtextended from sdcard but I geht "splash-write: applet not found" and the gui won't start up - any suggestions? |
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| 21:26.07 | gurugentoo | I have to say, configuring the bootloader is really annoying when you make typos |
| 21:27.08 | Kensan | gurugentoo: use env-edit.pl |
| 21:28.17 | gurugentoo | o? |
| 21:28.19 | gurugentoo | hmm |
| 21:28.26 | gurugentoo | too late now |
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| 21:40.16 | Kensan | gurugentoo: you can download the uboot-env to your workstation, edit it there and then upload it again. |
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| 21:48.07 | Graf_Ithaka | cu |
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| 22:05.53 | techiem2-r | ahahahahaha |
| 22:05.58 | techiem2-r | Android has a kill switch |
| 22:06.45 | e-Flex | It's called: A Hammer |
| 22:06.51 | [Rui]_ | Google Android: become one, only humans need freedom |
| 22:07.34 | e-Flex | Welcome to new earth aka: Google |
| 22:07.50 | techiem2-r | http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/64838.html |
| 22:08.05 | techiem2-r | "One realization getting ample attention is the existence of a so-called "kill switch" -- an option Google retains to remotely disable any Android application on a phone at its own discretion. " |
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| 22:08.54 | techiem2-r | lol Rui |
| 22:08.56 | techiem2-r | that's about right |
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| 22:49.46 | phobie | is testing-om-gta02-20081017.rootfs unbootable? |
| 22:52.09 | gromez | i've just updated from fso-testing feed and it's still bootable |
| 22:54.35 | phobie | hm not on my fr |
| 22:54.56 | phobie | freezes where the boots are first shown |
| 22:55.32 | phobie | I also flashed testing-om-gta02-20081015.uImage.bin |
| 22:55.41 | gromez | i have raster image + fso testing feed |
| 22:56.38 | phobie | where to get raster? I was on http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ |
| 22:58.13 | KaZeR | why screen protection do you guys have, if any? |
| 22:58.20 | KaZeR | s/why/which/ |
| 22:58.31 | gromez | http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/Freerunner/2008-10-12/ |
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| 23:06.52 | phobie | http://cgi.ebay.com/Vikuiti-ARMR200-Schutzfolie-Neo-FreeRunner_W0QQitemZ160286783832QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item160286783832&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A1|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 |
| 23:07.13 | KaZeR | phobie, you have this one? |
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| 23:15.43 | phobie | no I am also searching |
| 23:15.56 | phobie | what kind of immage is this?: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/19d383b00d6d590d1936d34d9abb128b.png |
| 23:16.28 | gromez | om2008 |
| 23:17.40 | phobie | since I have not seen it, that must be a different theme |
| 23:17.53 | gromez | yes, the tango theme |
| 23:18.05 | gromez | http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/ |
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| 23:23.55 | KaZeR | ok phobie |
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| 23:25.33 | phobie | oh the illume image is much more responsive than the testing one. |
| 23:26.21 | gromez | yeah raster did a great job |
| 23:32.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4721 10/developers/werner/bin/ (ccache-setup flashk): |
| 23:32.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - flashk: handy script to update the kernel on GTA02 over SSH |
| 23:32.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - ccache-setup: set up ccache for local and cross builds |
| 23:34.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4722 10/developers/werner/neocon/ (README neocon.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 23:34.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Add manual switch to next device with ~n to solve problem of dead or useless |
| 23:34.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: devices on which we get stuck because they don't generate an error. |
| 23:34.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - neocon.c (scan): use pointer instead of index (beautification) |
| 23:34.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - neocon.c (scan, copy), README: let user manually switch to next line with ~n |
| 23:34.25 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - neocon.c (open_first_tty, main): select next tty instead of first, rename |
| 23:34.27 | CIA-22 | openmoko: open_first_tty accordingly |
| 23:41.27 | Kensan | ls |
| 23:41.41 | Kensan | changes to other window |
| 23:41.44 | Kensan | *sigh* |
| 23:42.48 | KaZeR | henkie_, getting late :) |
| 23:45.59 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.20 | linuxxr | yay |
| 23:47.54 | Kensan | linuxxr: what kind of news? |
| 23:48.26 | Kensan | raster: Sent you another oneliner. fyi, some of the patches don't apply anymore. |
| 23:48.31 | linuxxr | maybe 2008.10 |
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| 23:49.08 | Kensan | linuxxr: is the release to be expected around this time? |
| 23:49.18 | linuxxr | no |
| 23:50.31 | Kensan | maybe somebody should start a rumor? *evilgrin* |
| 23:51.59 | linuxxr | well if there are no plans for a 2008.10 it would be nice if there were at least a statement |
| 23:52.28 | sicu | .10 won't bring much more to the table than .9 will it? seeing as they've slowed down development and concentrating on 'basic' |
| 23:53.14 | linuxxr | i guess since the word is " getting back to the basics" then there will only be a better 2008.09 |
| 23:53.22 | Kensan | only? |
| 23:53.39 | Kensan | stability is paramount, features can be implemented any time. |
| 23:53.41 | Kensan | imho |
| 23:54.08 | Kensan | it might not be shiny and flashy and all but it might actually work and in my books that's *a lot* better than before :) |
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| 23:54.53 | Kensan | linuxxr: and of course there are plans for 2008.10. The release will come. But what benefit does one get if the "not-release" is announced? |
| 23:56.02 | linuxxr | that would be the news im speaking of |
| 23:57.19 | raster | Kensan: don't forget eye candy! paramount! :) |
| 23:57.37 | Kensan | raster: well yes, but that's not OMs job it's yours! |
| 23:57.48 | Kensan | raster: lazy and grumpy old man *haha* |
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| 23:58.17 | Kensan | raster: how did the conf call go? I hope you had enough coffee ;) |
| 23:59.35 | raster | ugh |
| 23:59.39 | raster | i hate missing sleep |
| 23:59.51 | raster | i need my 8hrs per night |
