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| 00:50.35 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4714 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (7 files): |
| 00:50.35 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - rebasing continues ... |
| 00:50.35 | CIA-22 | openmoko: hif-linux-sdio.patch: |
| 00:50.35 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - drivers/ar6000/hif/hif2.c: removed setting of EMPC (allow card to draw more |
| 00:50.35 | CIA-22 | openmoko: than 200mA) in SDIO_CCCR_POWER |
| 00:50.36 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - drivers/ar6000/hif/hif2.c: forgot to initialize queue_lock |
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| 01:19.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4715 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (4 files): |
| 01:19.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - rebasing continues ... |
| 01:19.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - gta02-mmc-spi-bitbang.patch: make arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/mach-gta02.c |
| 01:19.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: (gta02_spi_mmc_bdinfo) an array, to better match style of similar uses |
| 01:19.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - gta02-mmc-spi.patch: added board and driver registration and updated for new |
| 01:19.58 | CIA-22 | openmoko: style |
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| 01:24.12 | Dave | raster: oh shits yo, you can apparently overclock the hell out of the z72 :D |
| 01:24.20 | Dave | I already cooked one :P |
| 01:24.48 | raster | thank god you have backups |
| 01:24.49 | raster | :) |
| 01:25.05 | raster | but... one homie down |
| 01:25.18 | Dave | no no, it still works |
| 01:25.25 | raster | ooh |
| 01:25.26 | Dave | but it would chernobyl after about a minute on |
| 01:25.28 | raster | what cooked then? |
| 01:25.35 | Dave | well I hope it's all good |
| 01:25.39 | Dave | it kept failing on me |
| 01:25.45 | Dave | probably because it was overheated |
| 01:25.52 | Dave | I guess it wasn't meant to run at 500+MHz? |
| 01:25.54 | Dave | :P |
| 01:26.00 | Dave | or 300 for that matter |
| 01:26.30 | Dave | I did it with two of them, and just went by the clocks on the display, if time stopped, I knew it was in trouble :P |
| 01:26.50 | Dave | the casing got superhot and I had to pop it out real quick |
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| 01:28.52 | raster | hmm |
| 01:28.54 | raster | i suspect not |
| 01:29.39 | Dave | :) |
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| 01:31.27 | raster | often these arms can clock up and down a lot |
| 01:31.35 | raster | they have wide ranges where they in theory can run |
| 01:31.39 | raster | but running "stabilly" |
| 01:31.52 | raster | given there is no active cooling (fans) |
| 01:31.56 | raster | letalone even a heatsink... |
| 01:32.06 | raster | they just tend to aim for a certain freq in production |
| 01:32.21 | raster | then if neded clock it down for actual release to a stable clock speed |
| 01:32.27 | raster | eg freerunenr could do 500mhz |
| 01:32.28 | raster | in theory |
| 01:32.30 | raster | but it wasnt stable |
| 01:32.34 | raster | for various reasons |
| 01:32.36 | raster | thus its 400 |
| 01:35.30 | pjz | Is there an FSO release that has a working testing or unstable feed? |
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| 01:43.09 | Sargun_Screen | ARM CPUs are neat. |
| 01:43.18 | Sargun_Screen | we should get ourselves a set of microfans. |
| 01:43.23 | Sargun_Screen | Water cool it ;-P |
| 01:43.54 | Dave | Sarguns |
| 01:44.00 | Dave | YES |
| 01:44.29 | Dave | raster, right |
| 01:44.31 | slaxxin | aluminum |
| 01:44.40 | Dave | Sargun, I should design one :) |
| 01:44.58 | Dave | but I don't think consumers would look highly to carrying around a goldfish with their smartphone ;) |
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| 01:46.00 | raster | Sargun_Screen: actually in all honesty -= do not bother with active coling. power suck |
| 01:46.06 | raster | passive - but heatsinks |
| 01:46.10 | Dave | :) |
| 01:46.16 | raster | make the back or sides of the device a metal frame |
| 01:46.18 | slaxxin | aluminum |
| 01:46.18 | Dave | I'll mod one of mine out |
| 01:46.19 | raster | aluminium |
| 01:46.20 | Dave | yeah |
| 01:46.22 | raster | make sure its attached to all the chips |
| 01:46.27 | raster | so the whole case IS the heatsink |
| 01:46.29 | raster | that'd be enough |
| 01:46.32 | Dave | make sure to include a free ovenmit with purchase :D |
| 01:46.34 | raster | make for a much toucher frame |
| 01:46.49 | Sargun_Screen | raster: I was joking. |
| 01:46.57 | Dave | Sargun, we're not. |
| 01:47.10 | slaxxin | or just a heatsink built into the case |
| 01:47.14 | Sargun_Screen | make the phone out of glass. |
| 01:47.19 | Dave | mm |
| 01:47.20 | Sargun_Screen | make the inside out of ceramic |
| 01:47.21 | Dave | sexy |
| 01:47.25 | Dave | iphone is already doing that |
| 01:47.37 | Dave | but glass would be better |
| 01:47.48 | Dave | upgrade to supercooled liquids! |
| 01:47.51 | slaxxin | insulator though |
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| 01:50.34 | Dave | Hmm |
| 01:50.56 | slaxxin | how about a permenent case |
| 01:51.34 | Dave | permanent? |
| 01:51.42 | Dave | Unopenable? |
| 01:51.45 | Dave | Sounds more like Apple. |
| 01:51.46 | slaxxin | http://www.timet.com/cod-p20.htm |
| 01:52.09 | Dave | haha, sweet. |
| 01:52.39 | slaxxin | theres a startup custom freerunner cases |
| 01:52.45 | Dave | hot |
| 01:53.08 | slaxxin | still crush the screen though |
| 01:53.22 | Dave | :\ |
| 01:53.26 | Dave | shitty |
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| 01:55.48 | slaxxin | so is there going to be a 2008.10 or not dave? |
| 01:56.16 | Dave | All sources point to |
| 01:56.18 | Dave | Segmentation fault |
| 01:56.24 | Dave | :X |
| 01:56.33 | Dave | Well, that doesn't bode well, for the Openmoko 8-ball :D |
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| 01:57.08 | slaxxin | o well |
| 01:57.15 | Dave | Oh well, oh hell. |
| 01:57.43 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.54 | slaxxin | seems to work ok |
| 01:58.07 | slaxxin | not eatting the battery |
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| 02:00.04 | Dave | OM NOM NOM |
| 02:00.13 | Dave | fucking bipolar telephones |
| 02:00.16 | pjz | mm, lithium ion |
| 02:00.20 | Dave | needing all that lithium in their diet :p |
| 02:00.22 | Dave | heh, yeah |
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| 02:07.58 | slaxxin | so does the blue power button in debian mean the battery is full? |
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| 02:10.16 | Sargun_Screen | Why not? |
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| 02:51.10 | netx | just upgraded to 2008.09 |
| 02:51.33 | netx | does anyone know what the splash image is for? |
| 02:52.14 | stevenSn | the boot? like all splash images it is to entertain you while you wait |
| 02:53.04 | netx | but, if i just flashed to 2008.09, do i need to also flash the splash? |
| 02:53.24 | netx | or is that only if i opkg'ed from 2008.08? |
| 02:53.48 | raster | splash image |
| 02:53.56 | raster | (on partiton) is displayed by uboot |
| 02:53.59 | raster | before kernel starts |
| 02:54.10 | raster | to keep u amused while uboot pauses and loads kernel |
| 02:54.14 | netx | ok |
| 02:54.15 | raster | until kernel is up and inits fb |
| 02:54.45 | netx | ah, ok. nah, i rather like watching the kernel messages scroll |
| 02:54.56 | raster | i don't |
| 02:54.57 | raster | its ugly |
| 02:55.38 | netx | if i was ginving the phone to my mothr, i would use the splash |
| 03:01.32 | APz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.22 | Staticwave_Ace | raster: its also slow |
| 03:02.34 | Staticwave_Ace | framebuffer console on a *desktop* slows boot |
| 03:07.20 | KenYoung | I like seeing the boot scroll, because it presents information. If it hangs at some point, there's a possibility you'll learn something. A pair of boots gives you no information. |
| 03:07.22 | ljp | but.. you only boot a phone _once_ theorically |
| 03:07.32 | Staticwave_Ace | ideally |
| 03:07.41 | KenYoung | Once per WiFI connection... |
| 03:07.44 | stevenSn | that'll be the day |
| 03:07.54 | Staticwave_Ace | KenYoung: indeed |
| 03:10.13 | KenYoung | One of the things that has always puzzled me about Palm is that they show you there logo when a Treo reboots. Is that really what you want - for your logo to be associated with the phone crashing and you having to reboot? |
| 03:10.32 | Staticwave_Ace | never had a treo crash, wouldn't know |
| 03:10.36 | Staticwave_Ace | heh |
| 03:11.39 | Staticwave_Ace | I doubt it happens very often, plus marketing's "brand everything" overrides other thoughts |
| 03:11.56 | raster | Staticwave_Ace: no - it doesnt slow boot.. if u dont spew out lots of kernel messages |
| 03:11.57 | raster | :) |
| 03:12.01 | KenYoung | Staticwave_Ace, My Treo needs a *lot* of reboots. |
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| 03:12.42 | Staticwave_Ace | raster: agreed, minimal output is good, after you work out the kernel bugs |
| 03:12.44 | KenYoung | Even Microsoft doesn't pop up their logo on the Blue Screen of Death. |
| 03:12.56 | Staticwave_Ace | plus, the debug board allows you to log the boot messages via serial no? |
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| 03:14.19 | raster | correct |
| 03:14.25 | raster | so if u are fucking with your os |
| 03:14.33 | raster | to the point where it wont come up with at least usbnet |
| 03:14.42 | raster | u probably should have bought a debug board |
| 03:14.46 | raster | and u get serial console then |
| 03:14.50 | Staticwave_Ace | indeed |
| 03:15.00 | raster | and unlike a text console ont he screbne |
| 03:15.02 | raster | u can DO somethnig |
| 03:15.04 | raster | like log in |
| 03:15.06 | raster | or type stuff |
| 03:15.09 | raster | and interact |
| 03:15.11 | Staticwave_Ace | heh, also true |
| 03:15.29 | raster | so if u are so concerned about "ooh my kernel may not boot and i need the console output" |
| 03:15.32 | raster | buy a dbug board |
| 03:15.33 | raster | :) |
| 03:15.42 | raster | or dont screw with stuff to that point |
| 03:15.50 | raster | :) |
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| 03:32.00 | ljp | well.. make it so... |
| 03:34.07 | slaxxin | wonder what the latest zhone is looking like? |
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| 03:49.35 | slaxxin | http://www.rigacci.org/wiki/doku.php/doc/appunti/hardware/eeepc_navit |
| 03:55.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4716 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (6 files): |
| 03:55.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - ... rebasing finishes |
| 03:55.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - hif-can-do-async.patch: only enable async if we're using direct interrupts |
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| 04:08.54 | Dave | Mooooooooooooooooooooooove out |
| 04:09.20 | slaxxin | counterstrike anyone:) |
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| 04:18.46 | CVirus | BOOOOM ... HEADSHOT |
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| 05:04.28 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rf44673e70b8d 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (15 files in 2 dirs): |
| 05:04.28 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: opimd: Initial import |
| 05:04.29 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Copied all the files from Soeren gsoc project |
| 05:04.29 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Also eplaced all the tabs by spaces to follow the style used by other subsystems. |
| 05:04.31 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: The opimd subsystem is *not* working now, so we sohuld disable it in framework.conf file. |
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| 06:55.56 | gromez | hummm did the OE git URI changed ? "git://git.openembedded.net/org.openembedded.dev.git" doesn't work but "git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded |
| 06:55.59 | gromez | does |
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| 07:17.32 | methril | hi |
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| 07:18.41 | raster | boo |
| 07:20.48 | ColdFyre | moo |
| 07:21.00 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r6b36f1648db1 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 07:21.00 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: opimd: Fix transition bugs |
| 07:21.00 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This patch makes the pimd subsystem not crash on startup. |
| 07:21.00 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: It disables automatic loading of the contacts on startup, because this should be done on user request. |
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| 07:53.41 | s_p | is there going to be a hardware upgrade to the freeruner phone, and how soon it can happen ? |
| 07:55.35 | gromez | raster: yesterday i tried the oe-install script on e svn but git uri seems to have changed. any idea ? |
| 07:55.53 | raster | no idea |
| 07:55.57 | raster | worked for me the lasrt time i tried |
| 07:56.00 | raster | which was 2 days ago or so |
| 07:56.45 | gromez | ok, now i think it's git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded instead of git://git.openembedded.net/org.openembedded.dev.git |
| 07:57.06 | gromez | i couldn't clone the second uri |
| 07:57.48 | raster | made a note |
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| 07:57.57 | raster | looks like they must have changed in the last day or so |
| 07:58.07 | gromez | yep |
| 08:01.15 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | doing a "make qemu" starts downloading the whole repo? how do I just instal a particular distro? |
| 08:04.53 | transylvania | s_p: I seen projects on the wiki but can't manage to retrieve |
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| 08:06.39 | s_p | transylvania, i heard that freerunner had some hardware issues, i just hopped that there will be an upgraded version soon |
| 08:07.27 | gromez | s_p: search for GTA03 on the wiki |
| 08:07.50 | raster | and i dont imagine gta03 will be "soon" |
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| 08:07.54 | s_p | gromez, thank you |
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| 08:09.14 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r5e0ebf610d6c 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (4 files): |
| 08:09.14 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: opimd: Added Source.InitAllEntries DBus method |
| 08:09.14 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This method has to be called by the client before trying to access the contacts. |
| 08:09.14 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: I think we could implement it as a service ('PIM'). |
| 08:09.56 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r1d4d419b98a8 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: Add support for pim service |
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| 08:50.01 | admiral0 | hi |
| 08:50.20 | admiral0 | what is the channel for debian on freerunner? |
| 08:51.27 | lindi- | admiral0: #openmoko-debian |
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| 08:53.21 | admiral0 | thank you |
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| 09:44.14 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r379114ef3405 10/tests/ (opimd.py test.py): tests: Add opimd test suites |
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| 09:54.36 | SpeedEvil | Hehe. |
| 09:54.53 | SpeedEvil | O2 terms and conditions for 'SIM only' tarriff. |
| 09:54.55 | SpeedEvil | 'You may not use your SIM Card: |
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| 09:54.59 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.10 | pb__ | doh |
| 09:55.30 | F|nger | :vsplit |
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| 09:56.14 | zedstar | O2 are a bunch of bleeps.....i got a PAYG sim and added 7.50 for unlimited internet which turned out to be their walled gardened internet |
| 09:57.21 | zedstar | effectively after spending 20 pounds i could access the O2 website from my phone....joy! |
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| 09:57.55 | XorA | sure you used the right APN? |
| 09:58.03 | SpeedEvil | I'm looking for a SIM for 900MHz. |
| 09:58.06 | XorA | they have different APN in uk for WAP and Internet |
| 09:58.17 | SpeedEvil | So it's O2 or voda for me for this app. |
| 09:58.18 | zedstar | XorA yeh i even mailed support to confirm this |
| 09:58.36 | XorA | unlimited internet works fine on contract sims |
| 09:58.38 | zedstar | u have to have the contract sim to get full internet for 7.50 |
| 09:58.44 | XorA | WTF |
| 09:58.50 | SpeedEvil | T-mobile (uk) ftw |
| 09:58.54 | XorA | why pay 7.50 for nothing............................... |
| 09:59.14 | SpeedEvil | normal PAYG SIM - 0.7p/k - but capped at 1 pound a day. |
| 09:59.23 | zedstar | xora yeh that is what i said and i lost the will to live at that point when they said it would allow me to access a certain amount of sites |
| 09:59.35 | zedstar | basically they did me out of 20 quid |
| 09:59.46 | SpeedEvil | And you can buy a 5 day pass which will give you 5 days for 2.50 |
| 10:00.06 | pb__ | hm, my gta01 seems to hate my virgin mobile sim for some reason. I wonder what's up with that. |
| 10:00.29 | SpeedEvil | pb_: have you broken the seal? |
| 10:00.34 | pb__ | ah no, there we go, just took ages to register |
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| 10:00.43 | SpeedEvil | pb_: they come with a film over the contacts :) |
| 10:00.52 | pb__ | SpeedEvil: heh :-) |
| 10:00.57 | pb__ | yah, I figured that out |
| 10:00.58 | zedstar | but yeh the 1 pound a day on PAYG deals is ok i guess |
| 10:01.09 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: |
| 10:01.29 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: I can't find a better deal - unless you use it >25 days/mo or so. |
| 10:01.47 | zedstar | speedevil yeh me too that is why i though this O2 deal was too good to be true and it was |
| 10:02.05 | zedstar | if i could add unlimited for 7.50 to a PAYG i would |
| 10:02.29 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 10:02.38 | zedstar | im stuffed tho as i really wanna listen to internet radio |
| 10:02.43 | SpeedEvil | But 15 quid/mo for unlimited internet isn't bad. |
| 10:02.50 | zedstar | i dont think anything caters for the amounts i would download |
| 10:02.54 | SpeedEvil | (with t-mobile 5 day packs) |
| 10:03.01 | SpeedEvil | GPRS only. |
| 10:04.36 | XorA | zedstar: O2 is unlimited with a limit of 200M though |
| 10:04.50 | XorA | zedstar: at least t-mobile is a 2G limit |
| 10:05.01 | viq | "unlimited with a limit", sounds great ;) |
| 10:05.17 | XorA | viq: we have a very strange advertising watchdog |
| 10:06.06 | zedstar | 200M is taking the mick a bit |
| 10:08.04 | zedstar | some quick maths and i think i would do that 2G limit listening to internet radio at 128kbps for an hour 5 times a week |
| 10:08.51 | SpeedEvil | Not really an issue with curent OM products. |
| 10:09.13 | zedstar | yeh sure i meant for my *other* phone :) |
| 10:12.11 | zedstar | until i can do something basic like listen to internet radio on my daily commute i aint gonna pay for a contract |
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| 10:15.35 | zedstar | speedevil from i understand when u go over your limit on your 1 pound cap u start getting charged at a kilobyte rate |
| 10:15.55 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: not on t-mobile - it's unlimited |
| 10:16.17 | zedstar | speedevil but i thought t-mobile has 2g limit? |
| 10:16.38 | SpeedEvil | there is a 'fair use' limit at I think 3G/mo |
| 10:16.53 | zedstar | speedevil what happens when u top that? |
| 10:17.04 | SpeedEvil | They may cut you off. |
| 10:18.22 | zedstar | speedevil vodafone has a restrictive download limit on their 1 pound payg offer...will have to read the small print of t-mobile i have a sim from them |
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| 10:25.37 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03marek * r4717 10/trunk/src/host/pye17/ (7 files in 6 dirs): |
| 10:25.37 | CIA-22 | openmoko: [pye17] manually enhance ecore_evas in order to hide functions and pythonize the module |
| 10:25.37 | CIA-22 | openmoko: add example folder and "examples" make target |
| 10:28.26 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03marek * r4718 10/trunk/src/host/pye17/examples/ecore_evas/ (. simple_window.py): |
| 10:28.26 | CIA-22 | openmoko: [pye17] first little sample ecore_evas script added (shows a plain ecore window) |
| 10:28.26 | CIA-22 | openmoko: run "make examples" before trying to start the script |
| 10:28.27 | CIA-22 | openmoko: known issues: |
| 10:28.27 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - python segfaults on exit [bug is related to software_x11_new()] |
| 10:30.10 | gromgull | Hmm - there seems to be an issue with pre-formatted text in the wiki... whenever I edit the preformatting space is lost |
| 10:31.55 | CM_work | gromgull: Poke roh about it maybe |
| 10:37.00 | CM_work | gpsd question: http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/65375.html |
| 10:37.02 | gromgull | roh? |
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| 10:39.05 | speakman | hi folks! |
| 10:39.20 | Kensan | raster: OE switched from mtn to git 2 days ago, that's why the URI changed. |
| 10:39.22 | speakman | anyone know of a more generic embedded linux channel on freenode? |
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| 10:39.56 | Tm_T | speakman: #oe perhaps? |
| 10:39.56 | CM_work | gromgull: That's his nick here, he fixes stuff like that iirc :) |
| 10:40.16 | gromgull | yes I understood - i just thought I'd say his nick to get his attention |
| 10:40.41 | CM_work | Ah, sorry |
| 10:40.46 | gromgull | n.p. |
| 10:40.57 | CM_work | has a half-working brain after a too big lunch |
| 10:41.16 | speakman | Tm_T: i'll take o look, thanks |
| 10:42.00 | speakman | maybe someone inhere know how to make mkcramfs ignore directory contents? |
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| 10:50.34 | speakman | anyone knows if there will be any problemes switching from cramfs to squashfs? |
| 10:51.01 | speakman | or is the new (what-ever-its-name-was) filesystem stable in the kernel? |
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| 11:34.25 | raster | Kensan: yeah.. now i have to switch |
| 11:34.27 | raster | hooray |
| 11:35.23 | Kensan | raster: there's even a http mirror for those behind a firewall etc. |
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| 11:40.04 | raster | Kensan: aaah cool |
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| 11:43.45 | Kensan | raster: but git should be prefered since it's way more efficient. |
| 11:43.57 | Kensan | raster: btw saw the article on linuxdevices ;) good stuff. |
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| 11:45.30 | raster | :) |
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| 11:47.34 | Tig| | raster: shame they buggered up the link to your site at the end of the article :P |
| 11:47.52 | raster | doesn't matter |
| 11:48.04 | raster | i'll live |
| 11:48.04 | raster | :) |
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| 11:49.02 | surangas | hi |
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| 11:52.16 | Kensan | Tig|: he's got enough fanboys following his trail already *heh* |
| 11:52.29 | Tig| | heh |
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| 11:53.49 | Kensan | speaking of which: how's your gang doing? Did you figure out where you put your Ipaq? |
| 11:54.00 | hipitihop | waves good evening to the residents |
| 11:55.04 | Tig| | waves good afternoon to hipitihop |
| 11:55.05 | raster | Kensan: nup. didnt look. i assume its in landfill somewhere now |
| 11:55.36 | raster | hipitihop: i'd use the word "denizens" myself |
| 11:55.51 | Tig| | or inmates |
| 11:57.38 | Kensan | raster: If I remember correctly I have one lying around myself with some version of Opie on it?!? |
| 11:58.26 | Tig| | I wish I could somehow mod the thumbpad off my Collie Zaurus onto my Freerunner |
| 12:00.05 | hipitihop | acknowledges being corrected as to the better suited genealogy of the inhabitants |
| 12:03.09 | Kensan | raster: they just posted some pcb pics of the pandora. Seems like production is getting along nicely. |
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| 12:09.23 | Kensan | is looking at rasters desk-01/2.jpg |
| 12:10.13 | Kensan | raster: now I understand why you need all that screen space *haha* |
| 12:10.48 | raster | Kensan: hahahah |
| 12:11.07 | raster | i tend to have a lot of code up... |
| 12:11.23 | Kensan | raster: is that emacs? |
| 12:11.49 | raster | no |
| 12:11.50 | raster | jed |
| 12:12.13 | raster | and my homies.. the gang.. hangin' out next to me |
| 12:12.32 | Kensan | raster: haha, the psp feels a bit left out ;) |
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| 12:12.58 | raster | yeah |
| 12:13.01 | raster | he hasn't been hacked |
| 12:13.09 | raster | likely never will be |
| 12:13.17 | raster | he's for games |
| 12:13.26 | raster | he's my "playa!" |
| 12:13.48 | raster | ma playa don't hang with ma homes |
| 12:14.07 | raster | big momma keeps 'em apart |
| 12:14.29 | Kensan | raster: haha |
| 12:14.50 | dolf1074 | I always though raster was a man. :p |
| 12:15.06 | raster | do no big momma is the desktop |
| 12:15.22 | Kensan | dolf1074: he's the Dawg livin in da Crib with his hommies |
| 12:15.23 | dolf1074 | and you are? |
| 12:15.27 | raster | she does the heavy lifting |
| 12:15.31 | raster | he |
| 12:15.37 | Kensan | dolf1074: didn't you see MTV Cribs last friday? |
| 12:15.38 | dolf1074 | ah I see :p |
| 12:15.43 | raster | i'm the crotchety old man on the porch |
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| 12:15.55 | raster | shistling at the girls going by in short skirts |
| 12:16.14 | raster | and muttering "if only i was a few years younger,,,: |
| 12:16.16 | beni_ | no short skirts here anymore. |
| 12:16.17 | raster | :) |
| 12:16.18 | beni_ | its fall. |
| 12:16.23 | beni_ | and it rains |
| 12:16.28 | beni_ | fog everyday in the morning |
| 12:16.42 | sicu | raster: how many seconds did you say you'd managed to boot linux in? |
| 12:16.44 | sicu | raster: there was a discussion in here yesterday about how great the lpc 5 sec boot was, and i remembered you saying you'd beat that sometime in the past...? |
| 12:17.20 | raster | sicu: 1.6 |
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| 12:17.48 | dolf1074 | nice, and how are you doing that? |
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| 12:20.44 | raster | do trimmed down kernel |
| 12:20.45 | raster | initrd |
| 12:20.49 | raster | custom init process |
| 12:20.54 | raster | init brings up x instantly |
| 12:21.00 | raster | x modified and trimmed |
| 12:21.05 | raster | drivers for x trimmed |
| 12:21.15 | raster | ide drivers for linux timmed |
| 12:21.21 | dolf1074 | but is it still fully functional? |
| 12:21.33 | raster | removing lots of probing and turning probe results into binary blobs loaded by bootloader |
| 12:21.44 | raster | well it was a boot from an initrd |
| 12:21.47 | raster | into x |
| 12:22.03 | raster | didnt run much but x + a opengl demo app |
| 12:22.09 | raster | but thats all that was needed |
| 12:22.33 | Kensan | dolf1074: define "fully functional" ;) |
| 12:22.44 | sicu | raster: nice =] |
| 12:22.51 | raster | mouse/keyboard input worked |
| 12:22.53 | raster | xc worked |
| 12:22.55 | raster | 3d worked |
| 12:22.57 | raster | audio worked |
| 12:22.59 | raster | filesystem worked |
| 12:23.03 | raster | processes runing |
| 12:23.07 | raster | i'd cal lthat fully functional |
| 12:23.25 | raster | mind u |
| 12:23.27 | dolf1074 | and could you launch firefox or some other browser? |
| 12:23.30 | raster | thats pretty extreme :) |
| 12:23.37 | raster | do didnt have a network up |
| 12:23.41 | raster | but no reas on why not |
| 12:23.44 | raster | its just an x app |
| 12:23.48 | raster | if x is up |
| 12:23.49 | raster | it will work |
| 12:23.53 | dolf1074 | ok |
| 12:23.55 | raster | (and u have a filesystem) |
| 12:24.01 | dns53 | you got gsm? |
| 12:24.03 | dolf1074 | than it's functional for me ;) |
| 12:24.09 | raster | firefox would take longer to start than the system would to boot |
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| 12:24.32 | dolf1074 | heaven on earth :p |
| 12:24.41 | sicu | firefox is a beast to start up |
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| 12:25.24 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07fso-makefile * r9fc3080d6fa6 10/Makefile: Moved to new OE git repository location |
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| 12:51.19 | geaaru | hi, i'm try to set an env variable on boot but i can't with minicom or cu. I lost ofter chars, how can i resolve it? |
| 12:51.27 | geaaru | what are correct params for minicom |
| 12:51.29 | geaaru | ? |
| 12:51.32 | geaaru | thanks in advance |
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| 12:53.28 | max_posedon | geaaru, I suggest you to use screen. |
| 12:54.28 | geaaru | no i'm from gnome-terminal through usb connection and both with minicom and cu i can't set correctly env variable because |
| 12:54.39 | geaaru | often i lost some char |
| 12:55.00 | transylvania | geaaru: there is a special console tool for the neo that insert a 50ms delay between char |
| 12:55.27 | geaaru | ah ok, what is it name, please? |
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| 12:58.09 | transylvania | geaaru: I don't remember yet |
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| 12:58.52 | geaaru | transylvania: ok, i will try to found it on wiki or google, thanks. |
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| 13:00.17 | avtobiff | is it possible to use any 2.5mm hands-free with the freerunner? |
| 13:00.26 | SUNWjoejaxx | anyone notice that usb networking works out the box on Leopard? |
| 13:00.56 | SUNWjoejaxx | usbnetworking just came up as a secondary ethernet :) |
| 13:01.05 | SUNWjoejaxx | which you can set a static to |
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| 13:03.02 | transylvania | SUNWjoejaxx: what's your point ? |
| 13:03.12 | transylvania | it's the same on any linux ... |
| 13:03.32 | transylvania | you plug and set an ip ... |
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| 13:03.38 | SUNWjoejaxx | mac os x is not linux |
| 13:04.07 | avtobiff | what about hands-free for the freerunner. is it possible to use any with a 2.5mm-plug? |
| 13:04.14 | transylvania | why using this closed source os ? |
| 13:04.51 | SUNWjoejaxx | avtobiff: there are some postings on the mailing lists about people's experiences with them |
| 13:05.08 | SUNWjoejaxx | avtobiff: all of them to do not work |
| 13:05.23 | geaaru | transylvania: could be neocon name of the application that insert aa 50ms delay between char on bootload shell? |
| 13:05.41 | avtobiff | SUNWjoejaxx, where do i find these mailing lists? |
| 13:05.53 | transylvania | geaaru: can, but not sure |
| 13:05.59 | geaaru | k thanks ;) |
| 13:06.01 | SUNWjoejaxx | avtobiff: http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ |
| 13:06.26 | transylvania | yes it is ! |
| 13:07.24 | SUNWjoejaxx | transylvania: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#Apple_CDC_Ethernet_driver_10.5.x |
| 13:07.27 | SUNWjoejaxx | that is my point |
| 13:07.35 | SUNWjoejaxx | it works now |
| 13:07.57 | avtobiff | SUNWjoejaxx, thanks. |
| 13:08.04 | SUNWjoejaxx | avtobiff: you are most welcome |
| 13:11.43 | Wonka | aaaaaaaargh. flashing a .tar.bz2 to the rootfs partition does not yield the expected results. |
| 13:12.03 | SUNWjoejaxx | :P |
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| 13:13.23 | SUNWjoejaxx | Wonka: use the jffs2 images |
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| 13:33.32 | Wonka | SUNWjoejaxx: guess what i started seconds before my comment about .tar.bz2 files? |
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| 14:17.36 | Dave | Oh, nice, the NYT put Android in its place. |
| 14:17.50 | d-b | Dave: that's nice ? |
| 14:18.12 | d-b | of course they did. it has the iphone and other andriods soon to be released to compete against. |
| 14:18.22 | d-b | you forget to quickly that this is the *first* andriod |
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| 14:36.40 | Wonka | grrrrrrmf. |
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| 14:38.31 | Wonka | says on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/Status_Update_4 i could expect GPS from FSO-MS3 |
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| 14:40.42 | Wonka | but nothing happens. not even in zhone. |
| 14:41.07 | alphaone | Wonka: How so? |
| 14:41.14 | alphaone | Should work |
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| 14:41.26 | alphaone | Wonka: Try something more recent than MS3 |
| 14:41.34 | alphaone | lots of improvements have gone in |
| 14:41.52 | alphaone | also on AGPS speedup |
| 14:42.31 | Wonka | atm i am looking for something that "just works" with tangogps |
| 14:42.39 | Wonka | can you suggest something? |
| 14:43.02 | Wonka | some actual image (with matching kernel)? |
| 14:43.24 | Wonka | what about fso-testing? |
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| 14:46.12 | alphaone | Wonka: recent FSO images would fit that description |
| 14:46.59 | alphaone | Wonka: I think they should work |
| 14:47.38 | Wonka | 'k |
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| 14:51.49 | alphaone | Wonka: You're using gta01 or gta02? |
| 14:52.02 | Wonka | gta02 |
| 14:52.05 | alphaone | okay |
| 14:52.20 | Wonka | am doing an "opkg upgrade" to fso-testing atm |
| 14:52.22 | alphaone | for gta01 you will want the gllin_v1.1 as well |
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| 14:53.47 | Wonka | fso-gpsd for tangogps... |
| 14:54.24 | alphaone | yes |
| 14:54.34 | alphaone | should be there already |
| 14:54.40 | gromez | Wonka: launch GPS app from zhone, get a fix and then launch tangogps |
| 14:54.47 | Wonka | seems not to be in MS3 |
| 14:54.55 | Wonka | gromez: failed at "get a fix" |
| 14:55.08 | alphaone | Wonka: Right, fso-gpsd was after that |
| 14:55.18 | Wonka | gromez: strace-ing frameworkd shows _no_ activity at all on /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 14:55.25 | gromez | humm strange, i got it working |
| 14:55.43 | Wonka | am still upgrading, will reboot afterwards and retry |
| 14:56.05 | gromez | i'm using fso testing + unstable feeds |
| 14:56.06 | alphaone | Wonka: As long as you're using tangogps (and not tangogps-fso) you need fso-gpsd |
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| 14:57.16 | Wonka | of course... |
| 14:57.29 | Wonka | i have used 2008.4 up to now |
| 14:57.37 | Wonka | and just wanted to try something newer |
| 14:57.48 | Wonka | so that i have a chance to contribute something at all :) |
| 14:58.10 | Wonka | any idea of how to kick the debian-armel people into packaging e17 and illume? |
| 14:58.26 | alphaone | no, not really |
| 14:58.41 | alphaone | has very little to do with debian |
| 15:00.24 | Wonka | i like debian and have it installed on my 8GB microSDHC... |
| 15:00.55 | Wonka | but neither matchbox nor xfce are exactly usable there |
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| 15:01.05 | Wonka | i want illume and e17... |
| 15:01.54 | slaxxin | if u have some microscope glasses it works fine |
| 15:02.23 | Wonka | not really. no usable app starter, no usable scrolling, ... |
| 15:02.24 | slaxxin | with XFCE |
| 15:02.43 | Wonka | it is usable in the sense of "you can get the job done". |
| 15:02.48 | alphaone | Wonka: Doesn't the fso-pkg team package e and illume? |
| 15:03.13 | Wonka | alphaone: haven't found those yet |
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| 15:12.15 | shanka | Hi all, Does anyone know how to access the touchscreen driver? I needed raw data from the driver to see how it behaves when I do a multi-touch |
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| 15:19.03 | lindi- | shanka: use tslib |
| 15:19.25 | lindi- | shanka: or read kernel source/documentation and read directly /dev/input/event* |
| 15:19.36 | lindi- | shanka: or use evtest and parse output with perl |
| 15:20.35 | shanka | lindi-: yeah thanks.. trying with direct read.. |
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| 15:40.49 | Sargun | http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/nokia-cfo-cash-starved-distributors-im/story.aspx?guid={24FD9F1B-8265-4C42-8E93-DC032BC3810B}&dist=hpts |
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| 15:54.44 | gromgull | roh, are you about? |
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| 16:36.58 | Wonka | *grr* |
| 16:37.21 | Wonka | there seems to be some bug in that FSO "Home" thingie. |
| 16:37.36 | Wonka | it does not display icons for assassin or tangogps |
| 16:37.57 | Wonka | correction, it does not display anything for assassin or tangogps |
| 16:38.29 | Wonka | it does display Calculator and Tichy, with an empty icon |
| 16:42.08 | alphaone | Wonka: That's because illume (which is the launcher) only displays apps with the correct Category |
| 16:42.18 | alphaone | "correct" |
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| 16:49.42 | Wonka | define "correct" |
| 16:50.21 | Wonka | zhone has »Categories=Office;« |
| 16:52.57 | Wonka | hm. some other apps had double "Categories" entries too... |
| 16:53.07 | Wonka | added that one to tangogps, now it's there |
| 16:53.19 | Wonka | should be corrected somewhere. |
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| 17:19.42 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * ra63379b41241 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: mdbus: improve pretty printer to cover more cases |
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| 17:24.17 | largos | whoa, I just saw the quickstart & the image of what comes with the freerunner -- is the stylus really larger (longer?) than the phone? |
| 17:25.54 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra816e0412c68 10/tools/cli-framework: tools: cli-framework: improve prettyprinter to cover more cases |
| 17:25.54 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 17:26.17 | largos | SpeedEvil: is it necessary, or can you use the touchscreen with fingers? |
| 17:26.24 | SpeedEvil | fingers work |
| 17:26.40 | largos | SpeedEvil: in a practical sense, too? ;) |
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| 17:26.43 | SpeedEvil | As does any pointy non-scratchy object |
| 17:26.58 | SpeedEvil | fingers aren't so great for some thinks - keyboards |
| 17:27.12 | Sargun_Screen | Dave: you there? |
| 17:28.00 | largos | ah, cool (re-any non-scratchy thing) |
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| 17:28.29 | largos | is there any way I can run qtopia locally in an emulator or nested X server? |
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| 17:30.24 | sicu | hehe, it's a great weapon =] |
| 17:30.28 | Sargun_Screen | so, take the entire back of the phone off.. eplace it with a cover whose inside is a pelitier cooler and outside is glass |
| 17:30.38 | Sargun_Screen | in between there is a vacoule |
| 17:31.08 | Sargun_Screen | seperate the vacoule with a fuel cell |
| 17:32.09 | Sargun_Screen | so as the battery charges it would be filled with H2 |
| 17:32.10 | gurugentoo | is this for overclocking or just insane battery life? |
| 17:32.30 | gurugentoo | a weapon? |
| 17:32.36 | Sargun_Screen | and as the battery discharges it'd be filled with H2O |
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| 17:32.44 | Sargun_Screen | (hydrogen fuel cell) |
| 17:32.56 | Sargun_Screen | no, just fucking big and awesome looking |
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| 17:33.31 | gurugentoo | what's the peltier cooler for? |
| 17:33.48 | gurugentoo | cooling your hand on a summer day? |
| 17:33.55 | Sargun_Screen | uhm |
| 17:34.21 | Sargun_Screen | the peltier cooler is on the inside |
| 17:34.37 | Sargun_Screen | and as a heat pump |
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| 17:34.55 | gurugentoo | for...cooling the hydrogen? |
| 17:35.05 | Sargun_Screen | it might as well be replaced by anything smooth, and (thermally) conductive |
| 17:35.12 | Sargun_Screen | cooling for the board |
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| 17:36.30 | gurugentoo | why does it need cooling?, it works passively now |
| 17:37.36 | gurugentoo | ok I'll be quiet and continue to hack around with zhone |
| 17:37.37 | Dave | Sargun. |
| 17:37.57 | Sargun_Screen | dave... |
| 17:38.07 | Sargun_Screen | uhm... more cooling is better? |
| 17:38.12 | Dave | Hydrongen powered freerunners? |
| 17:38.22 | Dave | What are we talking about here? :D |
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| 17:39.52 | Sargun_Screen | basically |
| 17:39.56 | Sargun_Screen | and a battery guage whih is physical |
| 17:40.07 | Sargun_Screen | i wish I could hardware hack |
| 17:40.18 | Dave | :) |
| 17:40.47 | gurugentoo | send me cad files and I'll attempt to cut them on my CNC mill :-) |
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| 17:41.01 | viq | It's going to be especially fun if you let the hydrogen oxidize in an uncontrolled way ;) |
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| 17:41.11 | Dave | haha |
| 17:41.17 | Dave | BLASTOFF! |
| 17:41.30 | gurugentoo | hence my weapon guess earlier hehe |
| 17:41.38 | Sargun_Screen | ahm, asplodin' phones? |
| 17:41.48 | viq | Say, falling off of a bike with it in the pocket ;) |
| 17:41.53 | Sargun_Screen | you could add a flash to the phone |
| 17:41.58 | Dave | NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED |
| 17:42.15 | Sargun_Screen | and the flash gap would be closed if you dropped the phone |
| 17:42.15 | gurugentoo | it would be better if you somehow could get oxygen to mix stochiometrically |
| 17:42.35 | Dave | Oh no, the mix... is becoming unstable! |
| 17:42.39 | Dave | D: |
| 17:42.50 | Sargun_Screen | imagine.. someone falls and the phone blows off their leg... that would be some nasty PR |
| 17:43.32 | Dave | dude |
| 17:43.38 | gurugentoo | I guess if you were going that route you might as well just keep the okygen while it's chorging |
| 17:43.44 | Dave | phones are already pretty much like that |
| 17:43.50 | Dave | some dude lost their head, I think |
| 17:44.08 | Dave | I'm still waiting for the CSI episode where the freerunner is featured as the murder weapon >:) |
| 17:44.10 | toggles_w | is qutopia really as pretty as this? does it actually work or just look good? http://www.openmoko.com/download-qtopia.html |
| 17:44.17 | Dave | That'll be some great PR... huh? :P |
| 17:44.27 | Dave | Toggles, don't ask me :P |
| 17:44.31 | Dave | You might not like the answer :) |
| 17:44.42 | toggles_w | Dave: no way |
| 17:44.53 | Dave | Oh, you like my answers? :) |
| 17:44.55 | toggles_w | you're not going to tell me you can actually make a phone call are you? |
| 17:45.01 | Dave | hahaha |
| 17:45.03 | toggles_w | i wont like that answer ;-) |
| 17:45.08 | toggles_w | i love my zhone |
| 17:45.13 | viq | Dave: developer beaten to death with an under-performing phone by an angry user? ;) |
| 17:45.15 | Dave | whore :p |
| 17:45.17 | gurugentoo | I second that |
| 17:45.21 | toggles_w | ;-) |
| 17:45.28 | Dave | viq, pretty much :P |
| 17:45.28 | Sargun_Screen | lol |
| 17:45.50 | Dave | MORE BLUDGEONING PLEASE! |
| 17:46.15 | viq | OpenMoko harakiri, now that would be some feat to pull off ;) |
| 17:46.17 | Dave | it's like,... Doc, what's this strange ring-shaped pattern here, at the base of the skull... |
| 17:46.23 | Dave | Doc: I've never seen anything like it. |
| 17:46.28 | viq | :D |
| 17:46.41 | Dave | that's because it's that stupid call-ring design that the freerunner has for the mouthpiece :P |
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| 17:47.10 | Dave | How ingenuitive! |
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| 17:47.36 | gurugentoo | is the ring for wind blocking/sound reasons? |
| 17:47.50 | gurugentoo | or just to look cool / retarded? |
| 17:48.02 | Dave | Actually I heard it's actually ineffective |
| 17:48.09 | Dave | and the mic was poorly placed as a result of this decision |
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| 17:48.41 | Dave | gurugentoo, as far as I know, it actually acts like a wind-tunnel |
| 17:48.57 | Dave | as if the freerunner didn't have ENOUGH [audio] issues |
| 17:49.16 | gurugentoo | nice! well at least it works acceptibly |
| 17:49.22 | Dave | I guess |
| 17:49.38 | Dave | after months of exhaustive work, working around audio malfunctions, bugs, and other silliness |
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| 17:50.26 | gurugentoo | nobody complains about the sound quality with debian/zhone, though 2008.9 was giving me issues |
| 17:51.18 | Dave | Probably because noone is making calls with debian/zhone? |
| 17:51.32 | Dave | Since 98% of the debian users want a pc, not a fucking phone. :p |
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| 17:51.40 | Dave | At least, that's what I'd figure, anyway :p |
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| 17:51.51 | gurugentoo | I meant that I use debian/zhone on mine and nobody has complained |
| 17:51.59 | Dave | Good |
| 17:52.07 | Dave | Probably because it's debtastic! |
| 17:52.22 | Dave | and of course, even though zhone is a total hack, it works effectively well, and people like it :) |
| 17:52.28 | Dave | as said, it's a great testing gui :) |
| 17:52.41 | Dave | and I'm sure that many users couldn't agree more. :0 |
| 17:52.42 | Dave | ;) |
| 17:52.42 | gurugentoo | like a little debbie phone |
| 17:52.49 | Dave | OM NOM NOM NOM |
| 17:52.59 | Dave | it'd be gone in a second... |
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| 17:53.04 | Dave | with all these fat programmers around :p |
| 17:53.08 | Dave | speaking of which, hey Brian ;) |
| 17:53.17 | bricode | Dave: Speak for yourself fatty! |
| 17:53.24 | Dave | HAH |
| 17:53.25 | bricode | ") |
| 17:53.27 | Dave | As if! |
| 17:53.37 | gurugentoo | coincidentally, that happens to be my name as well |
| 17:54.09 | gurugentoo | and no I'm not fat |
| 17:54.12 | bricode | Thought I'd poke my head in to see if anything is new. |
| 17:54.29 | bricode | still has to fit in his cardboard box beside the highway. |
| 17:54.53 | gurugentoo | with a laptop and stolen wifi? |
| 17:55.07 | gurugentoo | running on a car battery? |
| 17:55.58 | bricode | gurugentoo: Something like that. ;) |
| 17:58.32 | Dave | :p |
| 17:58.38 | Dave | Juice it, baby! |
| 17:59.19 | Sargun_Screen | what would happen if you plugged an fr into a car battery |
| 17:59.21 | Dave | hey at least he's being courteous enough not to run that ghetto orange cord down and out a third-story window, around some clothes lines and down a pole into a pile of cardboard street trash. |
| 17:59.23 | Sargun_Screen | asplosion? |
| 17:59.31 | Dave | Sargun, been there, done that. |
| 17:59.45 | Dave | Sargun, let's just say your Screen, would be nomore. |
| 17:59.58 | Sargun_Screen | lol |
| 18:00.03 | Dave | and all we'd be left with is poor charred Sargun. |
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| 18:00.15 | Dave | Don't worry, I'm sure we'd hold a memorial service or something :P |
| 18:01.18 | gurugentoo | wire up a lm7805 or 2 and it would work |
| 18:01.58 | Dave | Sargun, I can imagine someone getting out of their car and flagging someone down, quick, I need a jump! (and they take out their freerunner) |
| 18:02.09 | Dave | I'd just slowly walk backwards... from there. |
| 18:02.21 | Dave | and possibly bring a small bag of popcorn with me as well. |
| 18:02.50 | gurugentoo | or go car battery>inverter>charger>fr though you'd be going from 12-120-5V which is just terribly inefficient |
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| 18:05.28 | Dave | huhu |
| 18:05.31 | Dave | Trust me |
| 18:05.40 | Dave | I know what happens when you hook a neo to a 24V source :D |
| 18:06.21 | gurugentoo | why the hell? |
| 18:06.35 | Dave | hides |
| 18:06.56 | gurugentoo | good one |
| 18:09.29 | gurugentoo | I need another monitor |
| 18:09.39 | gurugentoo | brb |
| 18:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | gurugentoo: why 2 7805? |
| 18:11.43 | DocScrutinizer | Sargun_Screen: gurugentoo: btw there are dirt cheap car adapters for USB, that deliver 5V@1A |
| 18:13.00 | gurugentoo | DocScrutinizer: I wasn't sure how much power you could shove through a 7805 when you're going from 12->5V |
| 18:13.13 | DocScrutinizer | Sargun_Screen: to answer your question: device will die on 7.5V, frying PCF50633 PMU chip and drawing ~2A |
| 18:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | humm, depemds I'd think. There are different types and you'll need a big heatsink for sure ;-) |
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| 18:14.38 | DocScrutinizer | in the end you're better of with a complete car adapter |
| 18:14.51 | gurugentoo | ya, I'm sure there are higher current types, I'll have to agree on the car charger |
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| 18:15.35 | gurugentoo | incidentally, how do you enable fast charging in Debian? |
| 18:15.45 | Guilt | hey. can someone send me the stock u-boot recieved with the freerunner? |
| 18:16.02 | Guilt | dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a u-boot -U uboot |
| 18:16.22 | Guilt | the new one refuses to power up with standalone charger |
| 18:16.30 | Guilt | but it powers up with a Linux box |
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| 18:17.18 | Guilt | well, guys? |
| 18:18.03 | gurugentoo | Guilt: I already flashed mine... |
| 18:18.20 | Guilt | oh |
| 18:18.39 | gurugentoo | I'm guessing you didn't back yours up, same as me lol? |
| 18:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | Guilt: hold AUX while plugging charger |
| 18:19.32 | Guilt | ye |
| 18:19.38 | Guilt | DocScrutinizer: is that a fix? |
| 18:19.50 | Guilt | what seems to be the problem then? |
| 18:19.52 | DocScrutinizer | let's call it a workaround |
| 18:20.12 | Guilt | oh? |
| 18:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | booting to NOR original U-Boot by holding AUX |
| 18:20.51 | Guilt | DocScrutinizer: i am unable to do that too. |
| 18:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | ?? |
| 18:21.12 | DocScrutinizer | broke AUX button? |
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| 18:22.09 | gurugentoo | plug in, hold AUX, then hold power? |
| 18:22.21 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 18:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | hold AUX, then plug in. probably no need to press power |
| 18:22.59 | DocScrutinizer | as it comes up by inserting USB power |
| 18:23.12 | gurugentoo | hmm...didn't know that |
| 18:23.22 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 18:23.45 | DocScrutinizer | hold AUX until U see boot-menu |
| 18:24.07 | DocScrutinizer | then press AUX to select bot, press power to boot to linux |
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| 18:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | gurugentoo: 7805KC: 5v@1.5A TO-3 so probably ~50W power dissipation |
| 18:29.03 | Dave | Joerg! :F |
| 18:29.04 | Dave | :D |
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| 18:29.56 | Dave | holy audio rectifiers batman! |
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| 18:30.31 | DocScrutinizer | hrrhrr |
| 18:32.39 | gurugentoo | DocScrutinizer: that oughta be enough lol |
| 18:32.42 | Dave | Ich mag Deutsches! |
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| 18:33.01 | DocScrutinizer | gurugentoo: if it doesn't come up that way, you probably have a broken or absent battery and a too small capacitor on Vsys |
| 18:33.39 | DocScrutinizer | gurugentoo: (hold AUX) |
| 18:33.42 | Dave | Joerg, do you believe that the freerunner should ideally use a larger cell battery? |
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| 18:34.12 | DocScrutinizer | no idea. What do you want to hear, Dave? |
| 18:34.20 | Dave | hehe |
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| 18:34.28 | DocScrutinizer | I'd prefer a fusion-reactor |
| 18:34.31 | Dave | Just looking for your opinion, or observation on the subject :) |
| 18:34.32 | Dave | haha |
| 18:34.49 | Dave | yeah, we were talking hydrogen fuel-cells earlier :) |
| 18:34.55 | Dave | Take your pick |
| 18:35.09 | DocScrutinizer | ideally it should use a smaller cell, with ten times the capacity though |
| 18:35.10 | Dave | plutonium powered pdas |
| 18:35.29 | Dave | Doc, yeah, but we suck at batteries (today, currently) |
| 18:35.37 | slaxxin | 12 hours on 1 drop of water |
| 18:35.41 | Dave | Does such an ideal one exist? |
| 18:35.49 | Dave | slaxxin, that's pretty costly :p |
| 18:35.51 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 18:35.53 | Dave | I'd rather keep my water :P |
| 18:36.00 | slaxxin | yup |
| 18:36.01 | Dave | Joerg, yeah, that's what I thought |
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| 18:36.14 | viq | What happened to the polymer batteries ? |
| 18:36.17 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise we would have used that one |
| 18:36.22 | Dave | :) |
| 18:36.28 | Dave | lithium polymer batteries? |
| 18:36.33 | Dave | they blew up and killed someone? |
| 18:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | LiPo |
| 18:36.40 | Dave | plus lithium sucks |
| 18:36.40 | viq | They did? |
| 18:36.42 | Dave | yeah |
| 18:36.45 | viq | Oh. |
| 18:36.46 | Dave | blew some guy's face off |
| 18:36.49 | Dave | didn't you hear? |
| 18:36.52 | DocScrutinizer | not on FR yet |
| 18:36.59 | slaxxin | thats too costly to |
| 18:37.01 | Dave | his cellphone exploded |
| 18:37.04 | Dave | lithium sucks |
| 18:37.06 | viq | Nope. I don't follow new that much |
| 18:37.10 | viq | news |
| 18:37.10 | Dave | people need to find a better battery |
| 18:37.17 | gurugentoo | I thought it was lithium ion that was the more flamable type |
| 18:37.23 | viq | Or figure out way to use less power |
| 18:37.26 | DocScrutinizer | don't listeb to Dave ;-) |
| 18:37.31 | DocScrutinizer | listen |
| 18:37.34 | Dave | Hey! |
| 18:37.37 | Dave | I'm not always full of shit :) |
| 18:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 18:37.49 | Dave | ;) |
| 18:37.54 | gurugentoo | LiPo doesn't burst into flames unless really provoked |
| 18:37.56 | viq | Sometimes you dump it somewhere? ;) |
| 18:37.58 | Dave | Plus my design ideas ARE in fact genuine! |
| 18:38.02 | DocScrutinizer | actually I didn't hear of an exploding FR |
| 18:38.09 | DocScrutinizer | granted |
| 18:38.10 | Dave | guru, like sticking a swiss-army knife through the cell? |
| 18:38.17 | gurugentoo | I use them in R/C models |
| 18:38.24 | viq | DocScrutinizer: no witnesses survived to tell the tale? ;) |
| 18:38.30 | gurugentoo | Dave: well, ya |
| 18:38.33 | Dave | guru, would crashing provoke that kind of thing? |
| 18:38.41 | Dave | gurugentoo, a friend of mine did that to a lipo battery :p |
| 18:38.56 | Dave | you can guess what happened later... |
| 18:39.05 | gurugentoo | Dave: I've had one start smoking and bloat, but no flames |
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| 18:39.30 | Dave | guru, but what about lion? |
| 18:39.31 | gurugentoo | nasty smoke though |
| 18:39.31 | Dave | they tend to assplode. |
| 18:39.33 | Dave | :X |
| 18:39.35 | DocScrutinizer | actually we don't get reports when one of our babies vanishes from radar. So we can't tell whether it was a truck or exploding bat, without wittnesses |
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| 18:39.56 | Dave | doc, and usually, witnesses are highly unreliable |
| 18:40.02 | Dave | like they saw aliens or something :) |
| 18:40.18 | gurugentoo | I've seen videos of Lion shorted and they definitely flame out |
| 18:40.21 | viq | It was a death ray from Mars! |
| 18:40.57 | Dave | hoenoes! |
| 18:41.10 | Dave | guru, so you fly? :) |
| 18:41.22 | DocScrutinizer | batman flies |
| 18:41.34 | gurugentoo | so I have my second monitor on the desk but I can't find my DVI to VGA adapter...fiddlesticks |
| 18:41.34 | Dave | only sometimes |
| 18:42.01 | Dave | Doc, when his lithium-ion powered grappling hook thingy doesn't die on him :P |
| 18:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | :-= |
| 18:42.21 | Dave | Doc, maybe we should ask batman for new sources for technological breakthroughs :P |
| 18:42.30 | Dave | I'm sure he's already solved this issue |
| 18:42.41 | Dave | at his big billion dollar wayne enterprises :P |
| 18:42.56 | Dave | guru, I'd give you one of mine :[ |
| 18:43.03 | Dave | guru, where do you live? |
| 18:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | well C U l8er |
| 18:43.21 | Dave | I could even airlift it with one of my fliers |
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| 18:44.33 | Dave | :o |
| 18:44.41 | gurugentoo | Dave: Texas |
| 18:44.44 | Dave | yeehaw? |
| 18:45.09 | Dave | Yeah... that's a little steep for me... unless I use one of my more powerful rockets... |
| 18:45.22 | Dave | Though I've gotten in enough bouts with the FAA already, so I'd better not... |
| 18:45.41 | Dave | particularly for one DVI-VGA adapter :p |
| 18:46.07 | gurugentoo | Dave: I just found one, but it's one with opposite genders form normal |
| 18:46.20 | Dave | haha |
| 18:46.28 | Dave | surprise! :[ |
| 18:46.34 | gurugentoo | ya wtf |
| 18:46.43 | gurugentoo | why do I even have this? |
| 18:46.48 | Dave | hahaha, sounds awesome |
| 18:46.51 | Dave | I'll take it :P |
| 18:47.03 | Dave | it sounds like a great way to piss someone off |
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| 19:12.15 | noaXess | hi all |
| 19:12.30 | noaXess | is there a way to empty the datebook, calendar? |
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| 19:14.25 | Zorkman | can anybody give me a quick opinion about the GSM status of 2008.x ? |
| 19:14.47 | Dave | :p |
| 19:14.49 | Zorkman | is suspend/resume working and is calling and sms +/- reliable? |
| 19:14.52 | Zorkman | llo dave :) |
| 19:15.02 | Dave | I would say, no, and no |
| 19:15.03 | Zorkman | i'm tremendously out of touch |
| 19:15.05 | Dave | but some may disagree |
| 19:15.07 | Dave | yeah so am I |
| 19:15.11 | Dave | so don't listen to me :) |
| 19:15.13 | Zorkman | i don't know at what level the FR is sucking at the moment :) |
| 19:15.35 | Zorkman | need a vacuum cleaner for my appartement, thinking of using the Fr |
| 19:16.01 | toggles_w | i <3 my freerunner |
| 19:16.16 | toggles_w | it play kiss me where it smells funny when my gf calls |
| 19:16.16 | Zorkman | me too |
| 19:16.19 | toggles_w | cracks me up |
| 19:16.25 | toggles_w | but then i'm easly amused |
| 19:16.27 | Zorkman | :d |
| 19:16.33 | Zorkman | what distro are you running? |
| 19:16.38 | Dave | Take a guess ;) |
| 19:16.40 | Dave | hahaha |
| 19:16.44 | Dave | Ooh, Toggles is here! :D |
| 19:16.45 | Dave | Awesome! |
| 19:16.53 | toggles_w | fso ms3 |
| 19:16.54 | gurugentoo | haha roomie had an adapter, mmm dual screen goodness |
| 19:17.06 | Zorkman | toggles_w: updated? |
| 19:17.10 | toggles_w | nope |
| 19:17.12 | Dave | Oh, damn, for a second I thought I was in #offtopic, nevermind -_- |
| 19:17.18 | Dave | you're not as cool anymore, toggles :P |
| 19:17.21 | Dave | hahaha |
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| 19:17.27 | toggles_w | i've been building the fso-testing and unstable on my box at home every otherday |
| 19:17.28 | Dave | Zorkman, I'm still running 2007 ftw |
| 19:17.31 | Dave | Qtx blew |
| 19:17.33 | Dave | seriously |
| 19:17.34 | Zorkman | :D |
| 19:17.36 | toggles_w | i flashem but then they never work |
| 19:17.40 | Dave | it made me want to go BACK to Qtopia, after using it. |
| 19:17.44 | Dave | and that alone is sad! |
| 19:17.49 | Zorkman | Qtextended works, but... it's lame :) |
| 19:17.55 | Dave | and horrible |
| 19:17.56 | Zorkman | can't do anything with it |
| 19:17.59 | Dave | EXACTLY |
| 19:18.00 | Zorkman | its good for old people :) |
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| 19:18.07 | Dave | dude, I even tried it as a "phone" |
| 19:18.09 | Dave | whatever that is :P |
| 19:18.22 | Dave | and it wasn't amazing or spectacular AT ALL |
| 19:18.27 | Zorkman | it "worked" as a phone for me most of the time i tried it |
| 19:18.32 | Zorkman | but a crappy phone... |
| 19:18.33 | toggles_w | i'm in the zhone |
| 19:18.38 | Zorkman | :) |
| 19:19.03 | Zorkman | i'm thinking of flashing the fat, dirty and smelly openmoko distro |
| 19:19.09 | toggles_w | i can't wait for rev2, i need to blow another $350 on it so i get yelled at again |
| 19:19.31 | toggles_w | Zorkman: i played with that a while back, it was awesome to actually be able to im |
| 19:19.34 | Dave | haha |
| 19:19.44 | Dave | yeah |
| 19:19.51 | Dave | my big fat greek freerunner? |
| 19:19.52 | Zorkman | toggles_w: im worked on 2007.2 and 2008.8/9 also |
| 19:19.55 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 19:19.55 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 19:19.57 | noaXess | with opkg update i get Could not obtain administrative lock |
| 19:20.02 | toggles_w | but i felt too much like an iphone user so i went back to fso ms3 |
| 19:20.06 | Zorkman | killall packagekitd |
| 19:20.09 | Dave | Man, by fuckin' 2007 is pimpin', yo! |
| 19:20.14 | Zorkman | (that was for you noaXess) |
| 19:20.24 | Dave | GPS, SMS, GPRS, IM, WIFI |
| 19:20.30 | Dave | no usable browser, but hey |
| 19:21.10 | noaXess | Zorkman: ok |
| 19:21.11 | zash | browser, who needs that |
| 19:21.18 | zash | netcat ftw |
| 19:21.21 | Dave | exactly! |
| 19:21.26 | Dave | meow =^_^= |
| 19:23.19 | sicu | openmeowcat ... i've been waiting for that ever since they introduced openmoocow |
| 19:23.35 | Dave | SICU |
| 19:23.41 | sicu | who needs a working phone with apps like that =] |
| 19:23.46 | Dave | :D |
| 19:23.49 | Dave | hells yeah! |
| 19:23.54 | Dave | speaking of which, I should finish that app |
| 19:23.58 | Dave | it was going to be killer |
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| 19:24.38 | sicu | hell yeah ... it kept me entertained for six hrs straight |
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| 19:25.03 | Dave | Møøøøøøøøøøø |
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| 19:25.23 | sicu | go dave .... finish it =] |
| 19:25.45 | sicu | and right on .... teach it to speak the worlds languages |
| 19:26.02 | Dave | :D |
| 19:26.07 | Dave | uhh, maybe not that one |
| 19:26.11 | sicu | so depending on your gps loc ... it goes møøø instead of mooo |
| 19:26.16 | Dave | better yet, convert the world to its language :D |
| 19:26.21 | Dave | oh OH |
| 19:26.24 | Dave | I see :] |
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| 19:27.54 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rba45f26391ab 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/const.py modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py): ogsmd: add some Calypso proprietary errors |
| 19:28.02 | Dave | cockadoodledoo? |
| 19:28.11 | sicu | yay ... more calypso errors |
| 19:28.25 | sicu | dave: heh =] |
| 19:28.27 | Zorkman | is audio working btw? |
| 19:28.41 | Dave | :P |
| 19:28.45 | Dave | Zorkman, what audio? ;p |
| 19:28.45 | Zorkman | did that echo cancellation stuff work out? |
| 19:28.52 | Dave | not entirely, no |
| 19:29.02 | Zorkman | and did DocScrutinizer kill the buzzing yet or is he still building his super laser to annihilate it? |
| 19:29.04 | Dave | it apparently fixed "some things" but clearly not all |
| 19:29.09 | Dave | since there are still issues being reported |
| 19:29.21 | Dave | I believe the buzzing was, for the most part, the echo was never fully eliminated |
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| 19:29.42 | Zorkman | how did they fix the buzz? |
| 19:29.47 | Zorkman | withouth hw fix?? |
| 19:29.47 | Dave | I have no idea :D |
| 19:29.50 | Dave | Don't ask me! |
| 19:29.58 | Dave | go finish your drywall! |
| 19:30.05 | Zorkman | :D:D |
| 19:30.10 | Zorkman | I only need curtains |
| 19:30.16 | Dave | :D |
| 19:30.17 | Dave | woot |
| 19:30.19 | Zorkman | next week is the second housewarming :) |
| 19:30.24 | Dave | what about those badass designs you were planning? |
| 19:30.49 | Zorkman | gonne go to brussels to morrow to see if i can buy them because the stupid webshop doesn't deliver to europe |
| 19:31.00 | Zorkman | but i painted some gecko's on the wall :D |
| 19:31.52 | Zorkman | and a disco ball with a very badd-ass theater-spot aimed at it :) |
| 19:32.07 | Dave | haha |
| 19:32.10 | Dave | cool |
| 19:32.22 | Dave | Zorkman, you will have to show me and bumble later :D |
| 19:32.28 | Dave | when it's complete >:) |
| 19:32.29 | Zorkman | i certainly will |
| 19:32.34 | Dave | Oh, and can I come by and draw something too? :P |
| 19:32.40 | Dave | or will she beat me if I do :D |
| 19:32.43 | Zorkman | whenever you guys are in belgium you're always welcome |
| 19:32.54 | sicu | http://n2.nabble.com/GSM-noise-%22buzz%22-issue-tp675090p675090.html |
| 19:33.06 | Dave | o_o |
| 19:33.11 | Dave | Zorkman :] |
| 19:33.21 | Zorkman | we have enough walls :) |
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| 19:33.42 | Dave | :D |
| 19:33.45 | Dave | well, that's good! |
| 19:33.45 | Zorkman | thanks for the link |
| 19:33.56 | Zorkman | i still have 500+ emails to read about openmoko :) |
| 19:34.30 | Dave | woot :p |
| 19:34.31 | sicu | don't let Dave draw stuff .... you're wall will be covered in non-working freerunners =0 |
| 19:34.38 | Dave | >:D |
| 19:34.43 | Dave | that might be pretty cool actually |
| 19:34.52 | Dave | I should take the exploded one and turn it into a badass mobile |
| 19:34.53 | Zorkman | yeah |
| 19:34.59 | Dave | though it won't look as nice as my hdd ones :) |
| 19:35.07 | Dave | the platters ARE pretty sparkly :) |
| 19:35.08 | sicu | haha |
| 19:35.13 | Zorkman | especially when you draw them on the part of the wall i rebuild, when they crack it will be a real brokenmoko wall |
| 19:35.31 | Dave | :DDDDDd |
| 19:35.35 | Dave | hahaha |
| 19:35.59 | Dave | Just be glad your wall doesn't have bugs... (yet?) ;D |
| 19:36.05 | Dave | haha, could you just imagine? :P |
| 19:37.22 | sicu | the wall will keep you up all night due to buzzing ... and if the wall is in your bedroom i'd be aware of the echo issue ;p |
| 19:37.33 | Zorkman | :D |
| 19:37.39 | Dave | hahahahaha YES |
| 19:37.42 | Dave | I was just about to say that :p |
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| 19:37.51 | Dave | high-fives sicu |
| 19:37.54 | sicu | hehe ... great minds ... ;p |
| 19:38.06 | Dave | beware... teh neuken ;p |
| 19:38.27 | Zorkman | :D |
| 19:38.39 | sicu | us off-topicers have taken over this # |
| 19:38.44 | sicu | mohahahaha |
| 19:38.48 | Dave | huhu |
| 19:39.03 | Dave | skitten utlendinger! |
| 19:39.08 | Dave | >:) |
| 19:39.13 | sicu | *g* |
| 19:39.17 | bumbl | haha |
| 19:39.27 | Dave | jeg liker deg :p |
| 19:40.02 | Zorkman | welcome to #narcolepsy bumbl :) |
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| 19:40.11 | sicu | =D |
| 19:41.10 | Dave | tydeligvis, zorkmann liker teh mokokuk :p |
| 19:41.12 | bumbl | b b brokenmoko :( |
| 19:41.23 | Dave | bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbroko |
| 19:41.32 | sicu | haha =] |
| 19:41.44 | bumbl | usb networking is not working |
| 19:41.55 | Dave | er det blitt mørkt? |
| 19:42.01 | Zorkman | bumbl: distro/booting from SD? |
| 19:42.02 | bumbl | modprobe g_ether tells me that there is no such module |
| 19:42.09 | Dave | bumble :[ |
| 19:42.12 | sicu | hmmm, i flashed my FR with SE image and firmware yesterday |
| 19:42.14 | bumbl | Zorkman: from flash fso latest kernel |
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| 19:42.22 | Dave | sicu, no workie? |
| 19:42.25 | Zorkman | bah that problem just keeps is reoccuring |
| 19:42.25 | sicu | goes to say usb-networking didnt work for me either |
| 19:42.27 | Zorkman | -is |
| 19:42.27 | bumbl | had the same problem before with various other distros |
| 19:42.34 | Dave | I'm telling you! |
| 19:42.36 | Zorkman | since they changed stuff from kernel to modules |
| 19:42.50 | bumbl | i'm downgrading to ms3 |
| 19:42.51 | Dave | Openmoko development is inversely proportional to progress! |
| 19:42.54 | sicu | Dave: a definitive no workie |
| 19:42.58 | Dave | As development proceeds forward, progress goes backwards! |
| 19:43.07 | Dave | Shall I draw a graph? :] |
| 19:43.38 | bumbl | yes please :D |
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| 19:43.39 | toggles_w | bumbl: you mean upgrading |
| 19:43.43 | Zorkman | bah why the hell don't they fix this stuff |
| 19:43.47 | bumbl | toggles_w: no |
| 19:43.51 | Zorkman | toggles_w he means downgrading |
| 19:43.55 | Dave | YES |
| 19:43.59 | bumbl | with ms3 i can't get sms to work |
| 19:44.00 | Dave | I was going to say that! |
| 19:44.02 | Zorkman | use your goggles! |
| 19:44.10 | Dave | ZEY DO NAHSING! |
| 19:44.25 | bumbl | but usbnetworking is more important |
| 19:44.28 | bumbl | at the moment |
| 19:44.30 | Zorkman | true |
| 19:44.31 | sicu | i know nahsing |
| 19:44.34 | bumbl | for sms i have my nokia |
| 19:44.36 | Dave | :] |
| 19:44.36 | Zorkman | i'm from barcelona |
| 19:44.45 | Dave | o_O |
| 19:44.51 | Dave | err |
| 19:44.59 | sicu | fawlty towers? |
| 19:45.00 | Dave | ben je... labiel? |
| 19:45.02 | Zorkman | yes |
| 19:45.06 | Dave | oh ~_~ |
| 19:45.10 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 19:45.12 | bumbl | which i would like to see replaced by openmoko though |
| 19:45.17 | bumbl | fawlty towers rocks |
| 19:45.19 | Zorkman | plays apt: stop doing that |
| 19:45.20 | sicu | fawlty mokos |
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| 19:45.23 | Dave | :D |
| 19:45.36 | Dave | Sicu, sorry, but I think british humor + openmoko... would result in epic fail |
| 19:45.42 | Dave | and the worst dental hygiene ever. |
| 19:45.42 | sicu | haha |
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| 19:45.52 | Zorkman | and teenage pregnancies |
| 19:45.53 | sicu | haha ... you crack me up |
| 19:45.59 | Dave | :D |
| 19:46.06 | Dave | zorkman, no, that's an american thing |
| 19:46.07 | Dave | :p |
| 19:46.17 | Dave | OH |
| 19:46.19 | Zorkman | Dave: more english i think |
| 19:46.20 | Dave | That reminds me! |
| 19:46.44 | Dave | I hope you always remember to use a condom when you let your girlfriend use your freerunner, zorkman :) |
| 19:46.54 | Dave | ;) |
| 19:46.55 | Zorkman | although i don't understand it, because their women seem to consist of 99.9% uggliness |
| 19:47.01 | Dave | yeah :P |
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| 19:47.12 | Dave | make for good eurotrash though :] |
| 19:47.15 | Zorkman | Dave: i have an invisibleshield |
| 19:47.19 | Dave | :D |
| 19:47.24 | Zorkman | (and i'm going to order a ribbed one for more pleasure |
| 19:47.35 | Dave | zorkman, hey, I'm just trying to preven that aforementioned moko-assisted pregnancy |
| 19:47.39 | Dave | ;p |
| 19:47.40 | Dave | ;D |
| 19:47.41 | Dave | hahaha YES |
| 19:47.43 | Zorkman | :) |
| 19:47.57 | Dave | I have gloves like that.. |
| 19:47.59 | Dave | in the lab |
| 19:48.04 | Dave | for gripping things |
| 19:48.16 | Dave | and girls sometimes give me strange looks in passing by, when I wear them outside... |
| 19:48.19 | Dave | :P |
| 19:48.20 | sicu | uhmm, gripping what exactly ? |
| 19:48.29 | Dave | read what zorkman wrote above... |
| 19:48.32 | Zorkman | one week ago i charged my moko, powered it off, and an hour ago i tried to boot it and it didn't work because my battery was empty.... |
| 19:48.33 | Dave | >:) |
| 19:48.41 | Dave | Zorkman - Surprise! |
| 19:48.42 | Dave | :( |
| 19:48.45 | Dave | Surprise failure |
| 19:49.06 | Dave | jævla mokokuk :[ |
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| 19:49.14 | Zorkman | i think America really needs to buy a million FR's |
| 19:49.16 | Zorkman | for the war on terror |
| 19:49.25 | Dave | hahaha |
| 19:49.30 | sicu | heh ... my FR was off for 3 weeks and then booted just fine (2007 ftw) |
| 19:49.31 | Dave | I think terrorists should do it |
| 19:49.36 | Zorkman | just drop them over afghanistan and show them who their bagdaddy is |
| 19:49.42 | Dave | because then it would give us the right to invade them! |
| 19:49.48 | Dave | haha |
| 19:51.44 | Zorkman | gonna check out mokopedia |
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| 19:52.32 | Zorkman | haha, ms5 is 33% completed and so is ms4 :) |
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| 19:54.50 | Dave | rofl |
| 19:55.02 | Dave | it's like, We're working on v7 before we start on v5! |
| 19:55.08 | Dave | work backwards! |
| 19:55.18 | Dave | that sounds like openmoko development! |
| 19:55.20 | bumbl | Dave: nah they got patches for the easy things |
| 19:55.38 | bumbl | and ms5 has <15 entries |
| 19:55.58 | Dave | :o |
| 19:56.42 | Zorkman | bumbl: i know, but it thought it was funny to mention :) |
| 20:01.38 | nikolajsheller | hello. I'm trying to compile the sample program that comes with the tool chain |
| 20:01.58 | Dave | okay |
| 20:01.59 | nikolajsheller | but I'm gettin an error I don't know how to solve |
| 20:02.05 | Dave | What's the error? |
| 20:02.20 | Dave | is gambling for either the pango error or the mokoui2 error |
| 20:02.45 | nikolajsheller | libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.la' |
| 20:03.23 | nikolajsheller | hehe. Don't know those |
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| 20:03.59 | nikolajsheller | the path is is looking in seems to be doubled |
| 20:04.26 | nikolajsheller | i.e. /usr/local.../usr/loc... |
| 20:04.50 | Dave | aww |
| 20:05.06 | Dave | yeah, sounds like a problem |
| 20:05.20 | Dave | defers and skedaddles |
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| 20:07.09 | nikolajsheller | in addition to that I'm missing libgtk.... |
| 20:07.29 | nikolajsheller | thanks anyways |
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| 20:13.33 | Zorkman | don't give up stongo! |
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| 20:14.15 | Zorkman | Dave: have there been some nice new apps for 2007.2? |
| 20:14.44 | is_null | hello everybody, is it possible for the accelerometers itself to know if the device could be being driven by car? |
| 20:15.10 | mjr | the accelerometers only know about acceleration |
| 20:15.25 | mjr | you might code software that tried to deduce that |
| 20:15.36 | mjr | you might get better results with checking your speed using gps |
| 20:15.45 | is_null | ok, thanks a lot! |
| 20:16.04 | mjr | (or not, if the signal is not too great in your back pocket in the car... |
| 20:16.17 | Zorkman | combination of both will always be best |
| 20:17.13 | mjr | I would _guess_ a car's acceleration profile could be semi-reasonably recognized, but that's just a stetson-harrison estimate |
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| 20:25.20 | sicu | could be put to the test in congested traffic |
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| 20:27.40 | timur | hey guys, has anyone tried playing videos on the FR? i tried playing an mpg and it looks like complete crap: almost no color, blurry, and the picture is split in two |
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| 20:29.57 | timur | ok, i tried another one, an flc and it's shown 4 times on the screen... anyone know how to get it to work well? |
| 20:31.14 | stongo | has anyone tried mapping xrandr to the aux button, to rotate the screen in om 2008.x? |
| 20:31.21 | toggles_w | timur: opkg install iphone |
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| 20:32.45 | timur | toggles_w, all right, let me give it a shot |
| 20:32.48 | timur | what does it install? |
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| 20:33.19 | toggles_w | timur: i'm pulling your leg ;-) |
| 20:33.20 | davi | Would it be possible install the OpenMoko software on the T-Mobile G1 ? |
| 20:33.21 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.32 | davi | I want a 100% free mobile! |
| 20:33.48 | davi | The T-Mobile G1 is not 100% free software |
| 20:34.12 | timur | toggles_w, damn you! had me all excited |
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| 20:34.53 | toggles_w | timur: sorry mate, i'm bored out of my scull here catching bugs from 10 yrs ago |
| 20:35.38 | stongo | timur: watch out for the "rm -R *" prank too |
| 20:35.50 | timur | haha stongo, i'll pick up on that :) |
| 20:35.56 | timur | hopefully |
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| 20:36.01 | stongo | haha :) |
| 20:36.38 | stongo | is anyone going to android on the freerunner (whenever it's ported)? |
| 20:37.02 | stongo | *going to try |
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| 20:37.15 | davi | It is said Android is not 100% free software |
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| 20:37.38 | mjr | the freeness is afaik vapor so far |
| 20:37.57 | cjb | that's not quite right |
| 20:38.00 | mjr | pretty much completely. But I haven't followed exactly if they've gotten around to actually freeing the code |
| 20:38.07 | mjr | cjb, have they+ |
| 20:38.14 | cjb | yes. not all of it. |
| 20:38.17 | cjb | though they say they will. |
| 20:38.35 | stongo | there's also the built in kill-switch in Android... talk about freedom |
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| 20:38.55 | mjr | stongo, yeah, that's not unexpected, really :) |
| 20:39.03 | timur | i knew androids could kill people! |
| 20:39.16 | mjr | it's been clear from the start to anyone reading up on android that the freedom they're offering is to the manufacturers, not to the users |
| 20:39.38 | cjb | (phone networks, not manufacturers) |
| 20:39.46 | timur | ok, so running mplayer from the openmoko-terminal just froze my screen. ssh seems to be still functional |
| 20:40.06 | stongo | I had my hopes set high for android a year ago. but now I've given up on it. |
| 20:40.22 | mjr | cjb, yes well, that too |
| 20:40.23 | stongo | thought it's tempting to flash it still when it comes out. hard to resist.. |
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| 20:48.40 | davi | IMHO the case design of the T-Mobile G1 mobile is not good yet |
| 20:53.01 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.08 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:04.29 | timur | any ideas how to fix blurry/duplicated images shown by mplayer when playing a video? |
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| 21:20.48 | timur | ok, i got mplayer to play things nicely when i don't have X running on FR. how can i make it play nice with X? |
| 21:21.33 | lindi- | timur: how did it show video without X? |
| 21:21.55 | viq | telepathy! ;) |
| 21:21.56 | timur | err, ok, i'm an idiot |
| 21:22.06 | timur | i meant without enlightment being in the way |
| 21:23.39 | timur | the thing is if I have enlightment running and then i run mplayer over ssh it 1. doesn't show the video well, 2. once done the screen is unusable and mplayer does not terminate gracefully it seems |
| 21:24.22 | timur | suggestions anyone? |
| 21:25.38 | timur | although outputting with fbdev seems to work ok |
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| 21:47.07 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: buzz can't be fixed by sw. We have some hw-fixes we can kill buzz |
| 21:48.04 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: either by blocking RF with a ferrite filter, near JK4401 hs-jack |
| 21:49.39 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: or a botch to stabilize the MICBIAS voltage, which is spoiled by RF inside Wolfson, by adding a huge capacitor to this path, and changing a resistor near mic |
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| 21:50.01 | netx | anyone know what the latest developments in the keyboard are? (for om2008.x or in general) |
| 21:50.45 | netx | neither of the 2 options (qtopia virtual or the illume manually-invoked keyboard) currently are ideal |
| 21:50.49 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: the second one I'm actually working on a foto footage how to do that, on GTA02A5/6 |
| 21:52.16 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: alas the better fix (with ferrite filter) didn't make it on A7 board, but we'll have the botch on A7 it seems |
| 21:52.47 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: stay tuned, we're almost there :-) |
| 21:55.11 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: (echo) we're learning rapidly on calypso GSM-firmware. So eventually we might use better audio settings and echo suppression of GSM-modem |
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| 22:06.25 | Dave | Joerg |
| 22:06.49 | DocScrutinizer | what's up? |
| 22:07.18 | Dave | apparently not my gsm modem :P |
| 22:07.26 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 22:07.36 | Dave | fucking thing |
| 22:07.40 | Dave | so many problems ~_~ |
| 22:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | stay cool, Dave. We're getting better on fixing the problems, rapidly ATM |
| 22:08.52 | DocScrutinizer | currently #1024 top of list |
| 22:10.23 | zash | lpotter: can nokia be poked to release source to older phones? |
| 22:10.32 | DocScrutinizer | seems we finally found the cause, even while TI in't very helpful on fixing their firmware |
| 22:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | gnah, U r dreaming |
| 22:10.55 | SpeedEvil | Yay! |
| 22:11.07 | SpeedEvil | wants someone to leak the calypso source. |
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| 22:11.25 | zash | wants source to his phone |
| 22:11.37 | LionKMP | what happens if a hardware fix is required? will everybody send back the FR for fixes? to where? Thaiwan? |
| 22:11.40 | DocScrutinizer | Ask TI. Even we dn't have :-/ |
| 22:11.46 | LionKMP | -h sorry |
| 22:11.56 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: yeah - the hardware calypso docs are out there. |
| 22:12.19 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: google for calypso TSM30 |
| 22:12.20 | SpeedEvil | Not so much the software. |
| 22:13.02 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: the hmm |
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| 22:14.31 | LionKMP | who will put ferrites in the phones? |
| 22:14.47 | SpeedEvil | LionKMP: as I understand it the ferrite fix for the buz isn't. |
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| 22:15.01 | SpeedEvil | LionKMP: it's a 'fix' that makes the guts not fit in the case anymore. |
| 22:15.06 | DocScrutinizer | noone but our fab, on A8 I'd hope |
| 22:15.34 | SpeedEvil | Tjhough pothers know more than me. |
| 22:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | the problem is you can't reasonably expect to remove the JK4401 to isolate pin4 from trace |
| 22:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | without bricking he phone |
| 22:16.35 | Dave | :X |
| 22:16.38 | SpeedEvil | the headphone jack? |
| 22:17.05 | DocScrutinizer | I'm checking all weird methods to do it without desoldering the hs-jack 4401 |
| 22:17.31 | DocScrutinizer | the botch is easier and less risky anyway |
| 22:17.45 | SpeedEvil | botch? |
| 22:17.54 | DocScrutinizer | however it remains a botch, and isn't clear to fix *all* issues |
| 22:18.01 | SpeedEvil | It's 'easy' if you don't care about the headphone jack. |
| 22:18.10 | SpeedEvil | haz dremel! |
| 22:18.15 | DocScrutinizer | nah, even then |
| 22:18.26 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 22:18.36 | DocScrutinizer | only way to remove jk4401 the safe way |
| 22:18.40 | SpeedEvil | You cut teh plastic parts carefully away after masking off the jack area. then desolder the pins individually. |
| 22:18.59 | DocScrutinizer | cut to pieces and desolder pin by pin, piece by piece |
| 22:19.30 | SpeedEvil | I'm sure it's possible to desolder teh jack in principle. |
| 22:19.40 | DocScrutinizer | I also try to cut in4 nly |
| 22:19.41 | SpeedEvil | I wouldn't want to try it without a dozen phones to test on. |
| 22:19.47 | DocScrutinizer | pin 4 Only |
| 22:20.22 | LionKMP | :D |
| 22:20.33 | DocScrutinizer | it's darn hard, only can do that when experienced and ave good tools (hot air etc) |
| 22:20.49 | DocScrutinizer | (desolder) |
| 22:20.50 | SpeedEvil | and consistent tools. |
| 22:21.05 | SpeedEvil | Closely packed stuff isn't fun. |
| 22:21.25 | SpeedEvil | yearns for the distant fields of DIP and wire-wrap. |
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| 22:22.01 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: what's the issue - RF getting into the mic amp? |
| 22:22.05 | DocScrutinizer | there's still another idea to burn the trace from pin4 to nearby next pad, by applying 5Amps |
| 22:22.20 | DocScrutinizer | nobody seems eager to try it :-D |
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| 22:23.18 | DocScrutinizer | well, you may read about all this on my "buzz-report" to be published in a few days. |
| 22:23.19 | SpeedEvil | Docscrutinizer2: I assume a shorting plug pushed into the headphone socket won't do anything? |
| 22:23.35 | SpeedEvil | Docscrutinizer2: = doc: ? |
| 22:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | It even made things worse |
| 22:23.51 | SpeedEvil | doc|home |
| 22:23.53 | DocScrutinizer | all the same |
| 22:24.03 | DocScrutinizer | at sofa |
| 22:24.08 | DocScrutinizer | at desk |
| 22:24.08 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 22:24.27 | SpeedEvil | at leaping from building to building on vines. |
| 22:25.09 | DocScrutinizer | doc|home is someone else |
| 22:25.17 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
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| 22:25.46 | DocScrutinizer | ~docscrutinizer |
| 22:25.46 | apt | you are probably jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
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| 22:26.23 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.31 | SpeedEvil | Docscrutinizer2: my hypothesis was that the buz would vary by user due to frequency band and closeness to tower. Is this sane? |
| 22:26.47 | DocScrutinizer | correc |
| 22:26.48 | DocScrutinizer | t |
| 22:27.13 | Dave | o.O |
| 22:27.40 | SpeedEvil | At least my 'phone' will be simpler and easier. |
| 22:27.48 | DocScrutinizer | though in fact it's PCF, the power factor aka transmit power of the mobile, remote controlled(!!) by the BTS |
| 22:27.55 | SpeedEvil | (GSM module, one button to dial, no voice) |
| 22:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 22:28.46 | DocScrutinizer | was nice, guys. But I ave to go now :-) |
| 22:28.54 | SpeedEvil | Docscrutinizer2: good luck! |
| 22:28.55 | SpeedEvil | wave |
| 22:28.56 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise no more beer at pub |
| 22:29.02 | SpeedEvil | Oh noes! |
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| 22:42.56 | rawtatoor | raster, you see you're on the front page of /. ? |
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| 22:52.58 | sicu | hehe, i'm sure he's aware of it ... as well as linuxdevices.com |
| 22:53.04 | sicu | good going though =] |
| 22:54.53 | raster | rawtatoor: ugh! time for slashdot comments... the most ultra-intelligent lot of commenters in existence! |
| 22:55.47 | sicu | hehe ... there were quite a few of them already :/ |
| 22:56.08 | sicu | just finished sifting through them myself |
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| 23:02.22 | [Rui] | FUCK |
| 23:02.39 | [Rui] | console=tty0 on a normal boot is a real downer on boot speed |
| 23:05.25 | [Rui] | FUCK: xserver-nodm calls itself |
| 23:05.51 | raster | sicu: peanut gallery :) |
| 23:05.59 | [Rui] | sorry for this horrible slang, I'm trying to look at Om2008.9 boot process |
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| 23:10.24 | Dave | så... sicu |
| 23:10.54 | Dave | er du going to get the HOP1800? :D |
| 23:12.13 | Dave | Joerg - problems again :[ |
| 23:15.37 | sicu | raster: enough to fill several galleries =p |
| 23:16.20 | raster | sicu: aye |
| 23:16.25 | sicu | Dave: it's sadly only available in the US so far iirc, but i must get one when i'm next there =D |
| 23:16.41 | sicu | HOP1800 is the one |
| 23:17.17 | [Rui] | erms... |
| 23:17.21 | [Rui] | is fsck EVER run? |
| 23:17.24 | Dave | Sicu, I'd ship one to you... |
| 23:17.32 | Dave | but it costs like a million dollars to ship back there |
| 23:17.34 | Dave | :X |
| 23:17.53 | sicu | Dave: haha |
| 23:17.55 | [Rui] | if not, there's a whole sleuth of useless garbage in /etc/rcS.d/S10checkroot.sh |
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| 23:20.32 | [Rui] | hms? Cannot join #openmoko-devel (Requires keyword). |
| 23:20.43 | SpeedEvil | that's a NDA channel |
| 23:20.46 | sicu | Dave: do you think HOP has what it takes to run illume? |
| 23:20.51 | sicu | try cdevel instead |
| 23:20.52 | SpeedEvil | #cdevel is the commercial chanel |
| 23:20.53 | mwester | top secret channel. |
| 23:21.01 | SpeedEvil | community |
| 23:21.02 | mwester | they don't let us commoners in there ;) |
| 23:21.16 | Dave | sicu, if it had a screen, yes. |
| 23:21.19 | mwester | so we have to use cdevel instead of devel... |
| 23:21.25 | [Rui] | ah... |
| 23:21.38 | Dave | mwester, it's just a cabal. |
| 23:21.39 | [Rui] | so the other day it must've been accidently opened, then :) |
| 23:21.39 | mwester | So what's new here? Raster is famous I see. |
| 23:21.40 | sicu | Dave: ah, a screen ... who needs that ;p |
| 23:21.48 | Dave | Mwester, as usual ;) |
| 23:21.51 | Dave | sicu, that's what I said! |
| 23:21.52 | Dave | :D |
| 23:22.04 | [Rui] | OMFG sysctl values setup with LOTS of echo VAL > /proc/... instead of using sysctl.conf |
| 23:23.22 | raster | sicu: HOP? |
| 23:23.45 | Dave | Hop-on Phone |
| 23:24.00 | drazak | Dave: you'll like this |
| 23:24.11 | [Rui] | OMFG mount nfs on the published image... |
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| 23:24.21 | [Rui] | no wonder this all takes ages |
| 23:24.22 | Dave | http://www.hop-on.com/pr_042888.html || http://hop-on.com/featured_product.html |
| 23:24.22 | drazak | Dave: my buddy has a fedora 5 system, he asked me to setup an irc server, and I had to install flex and bison with yum :S |
| 23:24.31 | Dave | hot |
| 23:24.40 | sicu | raster: what dave said ;] |
| 23:24.42 | drazak | yum makes me wanna puke |
| 23:24.49 | Dave | I'm sure that was an exhilarating experience, for the both of you. |
| 23:25.02 | drazak | ha ha |
| 23:25.48 | sicu | [Rui]: if you're gonna keep looking into the boot process you might wanna check your cortisol levels and make sure they stay stable ;p |
| 23:25.55 | raster | never heard of it |
| 23:26.34 | Dave | :] |
| 23:26.38 | [Rui] | sicu: I'm almost finishing adding some DEBUG flags to time how much is wasted on useless stuff |
| 23:26.41 | Dave | man |
| 23:26.43 | Dave | sicu is on fire tonight :D |
| 23:27.04 | raster | in fact |
| 23:27.07 | raster | what is hop-on phone |
| 23:27.13 | raster | google tells me is a hpone store |
| 23:27.25 | raster | http://www.hop-on.com/ |
| 23:27.39 | raster | http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/05/hopon_1800_10_gsm_cell_phone_is_a_phone_you_wont_mind_losing-2.html |
| 23:27.40 | raster | ok |
| 23:27.41 | [Rui] | OMFG S55bootmisc.sh is hilarious |
| 23:27.42 | raster | something else |
| 23:28.11 | [Rui] | I would prod someone with an electrical bat, but a) I don't have one, b) that someone must be very far away from me, surely :) |
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| 23:28.23 | sicu | raster: it's bleeding edge technology ;] |
| 23:28.35 | Dave | haha |
| 23:28.39 | Dave | like my startac? |
| 23:28.45 | raster | no idea |
| 23:28.59 | raster | cant fiund enough info on it within my attention span :) |
| 23:29.13 | Dave | boo |
| 23:29.15 | sicu | Dave: you cannot stop the fire ^^ |
| 23:29.18 | Dave | :D |
| 23:29.22 | Dave | I wouldn't want to! ;) |
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| 23:30.55 | [Rui] | let's try a reboot |
| 23:32.05 | [Rui] | how can I add flags to the kernel's command line, anyone here knows? |
| 23:33.03 | sicu | well, if i do get the hop-on, the only thing left for me to desire would be a disposable pc |
| 23:33.13 | sicu | might have to get a macbook air ... |
| 23:34.02 | zash | :D |
| 23:34.22 | [Rui] | nite all |
| 23:34.35 | zash | why not skip the extra steps and just throw away your money |
| 23:34.43 | Dave | high-fives zash |
| 23:34.51 | zash | OH YEAH |
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| 23:34.56 | sicu | interesting =] |
| 23:34.57 | Dave | zash, because then you'd miss a perfectly good opportunity to use your blender!P |
| 23:35.00 | Dave | :D |
| 23:35.24 | Dave | I should email David Letterman |
| 23:35.30 | Dave | To do a will it float with a Mac Book Air |
| 23:35.35 | zash | why not just blend the money and cure aids ! |
| 23:35.36 | Dave | Come on, it's AIR! right? |
| 23:35.39 | Dave | haha |
| 23:35.42 | sicu | haha |
| 23:36.14 | zash | southpark rawks |
| 23:36.31 | Dave | o_O |
| 23:36.48 | zash | http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/164373 |
| 23:41.36 | BobOfDoom | damn that is satisfying |
| 23:41.45 | BobOfDoom | is applying jigsaw to an old motherboard |
| 23:42.00 | raster | god damn |
| 23:42.01 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 23:42.04 | sicu | raster: do you ever reply to some of the peanuts under a different alias ... or do you resist the temptation? =] |
| 23:42.06 | raster | what did that poor mb ever do to you? |
| 23:42.07 | SpeedEvil | Motherboard jigsaws. |
| 23:42.23 | raster | sicu: i never go under aliases other than me |
| 23:42.32 | raster | (raster*) |
| 23:42.44 | raster | (ratsre, rasterman etc. - depending if username is taken) |
| 23:42.59 | raster | i dopnt hide - i put my name to my outbursts prudly |
| 23:43.00 | raster | :) |
| 23:43.02 | raster | proudly |
| 23:43.03 | raster | :) |
| 23:43.09 | raster | don't |
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| 23:43.16 | sicu | hehe ... good stuff =] |
| 23:44.19 | BobOfDoom | raster: it's the donor for my USB transplant |
| 23:44.32 | BobOfDoom | raster: I'm trying to see if I can get USB host working on the treo :B |
| 23:46.46 | raster | ooooh |
| 23:46.51 | raster | any reason why? |
| 23:46.56 | raster | or just for shits & giggles? |
| 23:47.14 | BobOfDoom | to add wifi? |
| 23:47.26 | sicu | BobOfDoom: you could've gone at it with surgical gloves, as opposed to the smith's hammer |
| 23:47.27 | BobOfDoom | mainly just cause I can |
| 23:47.40 | raster | hahahahahhaha |
| 23:47.54 | BobOfDoom | sicu: yeah.. I tried with soldering iron to start with... but.. that was taking too long :p |
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| 23:49.24 | sicu | ah well ... impatience has it's virtue too =] |
| 23:49.31 | sicu | must've made you feel all tingly inside |
| 23:50.19 | sicu | i've placed my FR on the anvil a couple of times, but i lack the balls |
| 23:50.46 | BobOfDoom | damn.. PCBs are tough little buggers |
| 23:50.53 | BobOfDoom | die motherboard, die |
| 23:50.58 | sicu | haha |
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