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| 00:20.54 | ljp | too bad you were using cvs as now raster is really messed up |
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| 00:23.06 | raster | cries |
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| 00:27.20 | ljp | edits raster with emacs |
| 00:28.15 | rooly|away | was lucky enough to already have raster opened in nano |
| 00:28.21 | rooly|away | reverts raster |
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| 00:30.50 | raster | feels used... like a 2 dolla hooker. everyone's editing him |
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| 00:36.33 | ljp | gets back to fixing the sdk |
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| 00:39.10 | DocScrutinizer | diff3 raster world dave |
| 00:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | SIGSEGV |
| 00:39.26 | raster | i dont segv |
| 00:39.32 | raster | i "white box of death" |
| 00:39.33 | raster | :) |
| 00:39.37 | DocScrutinizer | probably was Dave then |
| 00:48.22 | ljp | prods mwester for a telepathy for build |
| 00:48.29 | ljp | for neo, that is |
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| 00:49.44 | Dave | WHO DAVES ME!? |
| 00:49.52 | ljp | daves ont here, man |
| 00:49.57 | ljp | not |
| 00:50.06 | Dave | throws roos at lorn |
| 00:50.23 | ljp | should do that, they have wings ya know |
| 00:50.28 | ljp | blah shouldnt |
| 00:50.31 | Dave | haha |
| 00:50.40 | ljp | orders new thumbs on ebay.com.au |
| 00:51.06 | Dave | :D |
| 00:53.46 | DocScrutinizer2 | setting up xchat conveniently on N810 really is a PITA |
| 00:54.32 | raster | hahahaha |
| 00:54.32 | Dave | :D |
| 00:56.21 | khorben | http://people.defora.org/~khorben/200810.html#20081015022630 |
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| 01:42.28 | swc|666 | heh -- here was our group buy leader back in july :s http://www.komonews.com/news/30891284.html |
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| 01:47.58 | ezekiel-v3 | swc|666: insane... and horrid |
| 01:48.16 | swc|666 | yep |
| 01:48.39 | Dave | what what happened? o_o |
| 01:49.21 | swc|666 | our local group leader back in July for the freerunner pruchase was on the news for torture Dave |
| 01:49.24 | swc|666 | :/ |
| 01:49.36 | swc|666 | i figured him as a weirdo |
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| 01:52.35 | Dave | holy shit |
| 01:53.01 | Dave | I think the most offensive part is if charged it mentions they could spend up to 48 months in prison? |
| 01:53.04 | Dave | That's it? |
| 01:53.20 | Dave | Furthermore, I hope he wasn't using the freerunner to further his diabolical practices :| |
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| 02:46.27 | slaxxin | move over qt |
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| 02:49.09 | raster | here come... my pants! |
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| 03:14.44 | swc|666 | <Dave> Furthermore, I hope he wasn't using the freerunner to further his diabolical practices :| ...no doubt |
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| 03:17.53 | wildnux | while i try to install the libpurple-plugin-ssl (for the msn for pidgin for msn protocols), i get dependency error for libglib-2.0.0 (>= 2.16.4) even when i do --force-depends |
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| 03:18.27 | wildnux | BTW i am using the FDOM |
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| 03:27.33 | slaxxin | i guess u need libglib-2.0.0 (>= 2.16.4) |
| 03:28.28 | wildnux | slaxxin: how do i install that? |
| 03:29.02 | wildnux | slaxxin: does that mean i have to install libglib-2.16.4 or greater? |
| 03:29.26 | slaxxin | yup |
| 03:31.17 | slaxxin | what are u installing? |
| 03:31.45 | wildnux | slaxxin: libpurple-plugin-ssl for msn (for pidgin) |
| 03:32.40 | slaxxin | are u useing 09132008 or something? |
| 03:33.36 | slaxxin | qt extended had a pretty blue light |
| 03:33.42 | wildnux | i just flashed with FDOM 20080927 |
| 03:33.49 | slaxxin | mee too |
| 03:34.00 | slaxxin | just now |
| 03:34.09 | wildnux | slaxxin: i tried qt extended but could not get some of the things working |
| 03:34.20 | slaxxin | what gps |
| 03:34.28 | wildnux | wifi |
| 03:34.35 | slaxxin | yea |
| 03:34.45 | wildnux | i am connected now |
| 03:34.58 | slaxxin | the next om will be better |
| 03:34.58 | wildnux | gps is working for tango gps |
| 03:35.05 | wildnux | ya i hope so |
| 03:35.12 | slaxxin | on qtext? |
| 03:35.15 | wildnux | do you use pidgim? |
| 03:35.33 | wildnux | for yahoo and msn messenger? |
| 03:35.34 | slaxxin | well i cant enter the save button |
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| 03:36.05 | wildnux | ya i could enter the save button. i am connected in yahoo but not msn. also i could not scroll down the preferences window |
| 03:36.10 | slaxxin | maybe if i change the keyboard |
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| 03:42.59 | wildnux | any one knows how i scroll the preferences window (of pidgin) to enter the name of browser? |
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| 03:45.10 | nemik | does the debian port come with gsmd? |
| 03:48.29 | slaxxin | apt-get will get it |
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| 03:48.54 | nemik | and it works? cool! |
| 03:48.55 | nemik | thanks |
| 03:49.02 | slaxxin | yes it does |
| 03:49.45 | slaxxin | im installing debian right now |
| 03:50.02 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.34 | wildnux | can anyone watch youtube on openmoko? how? |
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| 03:53.24 | ColdFyre | as far as i heard - no flash |
| 03:57.17 | wildnux | hmm |
| 04:00.53 | slaxxin | if i partition my sdcard with 3 partitions will debian installer erase my 3rd partition? |
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| 04:02.53 | cjb_ie | wildnux: dunno about scrolling, but maybe for time being you can edit pidgin's conf file (not a solution for end users, i know) |
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| 04:07.01 | raster | apps whose windows dont fit on the screen are a major problem |
| 04:07.17 | raster | at least for the forseeable future apps need to just have their windows fit |
| 04:08.19 | cjb_ie | yeah, even on a desktop environment one can at least alt+drag in most window managers to move windows around even if title bars are off screen |
| 04:08.43 | raster | u have much mroe limited input abilites |
| 04:08.48 | raster | so u're in trouble |
| 04:08.52 | cjb_ie | yup |
| 04:09.13 | raster | in general tho it'd just be a bad port |
| 04:09.23 | raster | as chances are then the app also relies on right-mpuse click |
| 04:09.27 | raster | and maybe mouseovers |
| 04:09.32 | raster | and all sorts of stuff that doesnt exist |
| 04:09.37 | wildnux | cjb_ie: i will try to edit the conf file , lets see.... |
| 04:09.42 | raster | og ocurse u can worka round and hack things |
| 04:09.45 | raster | like right mouse emulation |
| 04:10.21 | raster | (which is problematic as now u have to overload a single input and when u overload changes of gettign it wrong on a guess go up) |
| 04:10.32 | raster | and with scorlling - the wm could do the scrolling for the app |
| 04:10.39 | raster | if window > available screen space |
| 04:10.43 | raster | wm scrolls the app window |
| 04:10.50 | raster | but u end up with relatively ugly hacks |
| 04:11.06 | raster | to accomodate aps that think they are on a desktop |
| 04:11.07 | raster | :) |
| 04:11.42 | slaxxin | where would pidgins conf file be? |
| 04:11.47 | wildnux | cjb_ie: where is the conf file for pidgin? i can't see it in home>root>Applications> |
| 04:11.58 | wildnux | there is no folder for pidgin |
| 04:12.32 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.53 | cjb_ie | wildnux: might be called .gaim2 |
| 04:12.54 | BobOfDoom | raster: in Illume, keybindings would be done via the theme file right? so if I wanted to say make it so you can select stuff in the launcher with the arrow keys on treo, that's where I'd start? |
| 04:14.08 | raster | BobOfDoom: ooh no |
| 04:14.18 | raster | the vkbd has no concept of a real kbd as input |
| 04:14.20 | cjb_ie | wildnux: certainly on my ubuntu laptop, it seems to be in ~/.gaim2/prefs.xml |
| 04:14.26 | raster | i'd need to add code for that |
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| 04:14.45 | raster | i really build the vkbd for a pure touchscreen system |
| 04:14.58 | raster | what u want is a reduced kbd layout |
| 04:15.02 | raster | with just the "missing" keys |
| 04:15.08 | raster | that the treo kbd doesnt have |
| 04:15.13 | raster | or maybe are hard to activate |
| 04:15.28 | raster | (and missing i mean ones missing from palm's design as painted on the kbd) |
| 04:15.32 | BobOfDoom | raster: I'm not talking about the vkbd, I mean in the launcher, navigating with the "real" keys |
| 04:15.35 | wildnux | cjb_ie: :( there is no such folders |
| 04:15.43 | raster | THEN u definitely want a "magic" key on the kbd (like alt) that brings up the vklbd |
| 04:15.44 | BobOfDoom | raster: or is the vkbd linked to that somehow? |
| 04:15.48 | cjb_ie | wildnux: it'll be there somewhere :-) |
| 04:15.51 | raster | and lets u use arrow keys to select the missing key |
| 04:15.59 | raster | ooh laucnher |
| 04:16.00 | raster | that too |
| 04:16.05 | raster | has no concept of kbd input |
| 04:16.21 | wildnux | cjb_ie: i got it its in .purple folder |
| 04:16.37 | raster | i'd need to add code |
| 04:16.45 | BobOfDoom | raster: right.. so it's not just a matter of adding some stuff to the theme like on key enter, emit "select item" or whatever |
| 04:16.52 | raster | yup |
| 04:16.55 | raster | more than that |
| 04:17.11 | raster | for the moment i havent really looke dat addressing illume with thnigs with a keypad |
| 04:17.14 | raster | as freerunner had none |
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| 04:17.20 | raster | thats a big reason i wanted the treo |
| 04:17.28 | raster | its like the "ultimate keypad" platform to test on |
| 04:17.30 | raster | (so to speak) |
| 04:17.32 | BobOfDoom | :D |
| 04:17.33 | raster | ie not just numberpad |
| 04:17.36 | raster | but also querty |
| 04:17.45 | raster | for now i'm just taking notes |
| 04:17.52 | raster | i know what needs doing |
| 04:18.00 | raster | and have a good idea of what to do and how... just need to do |
| 04:18.46 | BobOfDoom | ok |
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| 04:18.58 | BobOfDoom | gonna have to get a better grip on EFL coding :) |
| 04:19.27 | raster | i need to do a lot of surgery to illume |
| 04:19.46 | raster | it got beaten about a lot by various forces |
| 04:20.17 | awwaiid | raster++ # illume keyboard |
| 04:21.06 | raster | :) |
| 04:21.19 | raster | i'm going to fix them bit by bit |
| 04:21.21 | raster | but right now... |
| 04:21.33 | raster | multi-line entry stuff for edje needs fixin |
| 04:22.04 | nemik | so does debian use libgsmd for phone operations or qtopia stack? |
| 04:22.08 | BobOfDoom | text entry? |
| 04:22.15 | BobOfDoom | nemik: neither, it uses FSO |
| 04:22.31 | raster | BobOfDoom: edje has no entry stuff |
| 04:22.34 | raster | only display of text |
| 04:22.46 | raster | i'm making textblock (blobs of formatted text) editable |
| 04:22.51 | raster | ie just type like any text entry widget |
| 04:22.56 | BobOfDoom | yeah, I was trying to make a simple email app with straight edje and ran into that problem |
| 04:23.00 | raster | theme turns on "entry_mode" |
| 04:23.09 | raster | edje handles the rest |
| 04:23.22 | raster | just getting the raw input working now |
| 04:23.24 | raster | mostly done |
| 04:23.26 | nemik | BobOfDoom: thank you |
| 04:23.26 | BobOfDoom | the other thing was I couldn't find a decent way to convert mouse location into position in the text |
| 04:23.27 | raster | just a small bug |
| 04:23.37 | raster | aaah no need |
| 04:23.40 | raster | all done for u |
| 04:23.42 | raster | cursor |
| 04:23.44 | raster | selections |
| 04:23.47 | raster | etc. etc. etc. |
| 04:24.00 | rooly|away | so... |
| 04:24.01 | BobOfDoom | excellent |
| 04:24.16 | raster | YOu will still ned to hook in x selections and stuff |
| 04:24.23 | raster | it knows nothing of x |
| 04:24.28 | raster | or copy and paste betwene apps |
| 04:24.38 | raster | but i'll emit signals sayijng "someone started a selection" |
| 04:24.41 | raster | "selection changed" |
| 04:24.48 | BobOfDoom | cool |
| 04:24.52 | raster | selection cleared |
| 04:24.55 | raster | cursor changed |
| 04:24.58 | raster | text content changed |
| 04:25.05 | BobOfDoom | the main thing I was looking for was being able to do hyperlink-type things |
| 04:25.08 | raster | and u can of course fetch/set the text |
| 04:25.14 | raster | includijng markup for formatting |
| 04:25.20 | rooly|away | does the FR have a known problem with the SIM card getting loose? |
| 04:25.26 | raster | AND i'll add in anchors |
| 04:25.27 | BobOfDoom | yeah I liked the formatting method |
| 04:25.30 | raster | (links) |
| 04:25.32 | BobOfDoom | defining markup in the theme |
| 04:25.56 | raster | so basicallty any sectiosn of text that have anchors around them will also emit signals when u mouse over/click etc. etc. |
| 04:26.25 | raster | if u want annhros to look different - just make the markup in the theme define their look |
| 04:26.38 | BobOfDoom | awesome :) |
| 04:26.41 | raster | anyway |
| 04:26.49 | raster | goal is to make it usable for display/edit og emails and sms |
| 04:26.57 | raster | not for full word document or html stuff |
| 04:27.06 | raster | b ut for "rtf" style stuff |
| 04:27.17 | raster | should be good enough for most things |
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| 04:46.55 | rooly|away | so... |
| 04:47.18 | rooly|away | like i asked before... |
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| 04:47.52 | rooly|away | does the FR have a known issue with the SIM? |
| 04:49.06 | slaxxin | i know if u use a 71234 G with at&t it will not work all the time |
| 04:49.14 | cjb_ie | rooly|away: you might find more people are awake in a few hours' time... |
| 04:49.24 | rooly|away | lol |
| 04:49.55 | cjb_ie | i don't know anyone who sleeptalks on irc :-0 |
| 04:50.06 | ljp | raster does |
| 04:50.19 | cjb_ie | ah, that explains a lot ;) |
| 04:50.26 | ljp | he even sleepcodes |
| 04:50.28 | raster | :-P |
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| 06:04.52 | geaaru | houston, i have a problem! :) Until 5 minutes ago i used neo1937 but unexpected neo is gone to a power off. Now i can't power on. Is dead??? could be a problem with battery? |
| 06:05.12 | geaaru | i updated firmware to 2007.11 yesterday. |
| 06:06.58 | geaaru | i'm sorry now after 10minutes is started... i think that my battery is not perfect... on openmoko display battery level was at half but i think that that value war incorrect |
| 06:07.35 | geaaru | s/war/was |
| 06:08.27 | geaaru | however, i see still another problem when gsm lost signal that i need restart openmoko to return on stable condition, is a known problem resolved with firmware 2008.9? |
| 06:08.37 | geaaru | thanks in advance for reply |
| 06:12.30 | quickdev | geaaru, unstable gsm is known - I don't known if there's a fix in the latest ditro yet, but FSO includes it |
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| 06:16.08 | geaaru | k thanks |
| 06:16.54 | beni_ | morning |
| 06:17.13 | beni_ | had anybody successfully mounted a jffs2 image file on a debian box? |
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| 06:43.30 | Hopscotc1 | good morning |
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| 06:47.26 | TeLLuS | beni_: Just tested mount_jffs2.sh from http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ModifyingRootImage/ works for me.. |
| 06:50.17 | beni_ | i tried that one from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image |
| 06:50.23 | beni_ | it mounts but the mount dir is empty |
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| 06:53.32 | beni_ | same again |
| 06:53.34 | beni_ | emtpty |
| 06:55.25 | beni_ | oh memory mount works |
| 06:55.27 | beni_ | cool |
| 06:55.48 | TeLLuS | beni_: That one seems to work for me also.. :) |
| 06:56.32 | bmidgley_ | anyone know offhand |
| 06:56.42 | bmidgley_ | which distro is in downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ |
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| 06:59.49 | gurugentoo | is it not 2008.9? |
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| 07:24.55 | beni_ | TeLLuS: you also get "dd: writing to `/tmp/mtdblock0': No space left on device"? |
| 07:25.00 | beni_ | the device is only 4MB big |
| 07:25.12 | beni_ | but i think this is far to less for the rootfs? |
| 07:26.18 | gromez | beni_: i think it's the kernel partition |
| 07:26.45 | gromez | rootfs one is mtdblock6 |
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| 07:41.07 | geaaru | how can i mount /dev/mtdblock1 (boot_env)? i need mount /dev/mtdblock to see/change bootload configuration? |
| 07:41.38 | gromez | geaaru: no you don't need to mount it |
| 07:42.04 | gromez | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#Accessing_the_bootloader_prompt |
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| 07:45.12 | geaaru | yes i see, but is it possible when openmoko is already started directly from openmoko shell and not only from bootloader shell? |
| 07:48.59 | gromez | i have no idea |
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| 07:49.31 | beni_ | gromez: its on my desktop machine |
| 07:49.40 | beni_ | i try to mount the jffs image here |
| 07:49.43 | beni_ | rootfs image |
| 07:49.51 | gurugentoo | I don't think it was intended to be edited that way, but I'm sure it's possible |
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| 07:52.05 | methril | G'Morning |
| 07:52.41 | geaaru | but boot_env (mtd2) is on jffs2 filesystem? |
| 07:52.59 | geaaru | s/on/a |
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| 07:56.54 | gromez | is there a problem on the FSO buildhost, there are no more updates for few days |
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| 07:59.59 | swc|666 | has anyone built 2.6.27 from git.openmoko.org (andy-tracking)? |
| 08:00.35 | Shleeee | Doesn't work apparently re: lists |
| 08:00.46 | swc|666 | hmm |
| 08:01.02 | swc|666 | that would explain it then |
| 08:01.19 | swc|666 | although i missed that in the lists somehow :/ |
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| 08:38.17 | KaZeR | hello guys |
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| 08:38.33 | KaZeR | i've just received my freerunner. what distro would you recommand to start? |
| 08:38.45 | KaZeR | (and, if possible, why :) ) |
| 08:39.13 | max_posedon | It's depend on what you wan't from your phone |
| 08:39.14 | Shleeee | Qtopia 4.3 if you want a real phone |
| 08:39.33 | Shleeee | 4.4 has too many bugs. |
| 08:39.39 | KaZeR | thanks. i'll have a look at qtopia first, iwas already downloading it |
| 08:39.49 | KaZeR | i'd like to see how it behaves as a real phone first |
| 08:39.50 | eragon | Om2008.9, if you want to follow the openmoko thought |
| 08:40.06 | KaZeR | ok thanks. i'll install 2008.9 on my sd card |
| 08:40.18 | KaZeR | expect more questions soon :) |
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| 09:21.21 | Kensan | raster: ping |
| 09:21.24 | beni_ | yeah, flashing my first altered rootfs |
| 09:21.34 | raster | poong |
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| 09:22.07 | Kensan | raster: were you able to create some dot dependency graphs for illume-image? |
| 09:22.34 | Kensan | raster: I was able to get the dot-file but somehow converting or opening it does not work. |
| 09:22.48 | lindi- | Kensan: put it online |
| 09:23.03 | raster | Kensan: yeah - but didnt help |
| 09:23.13 | raster | and yes |
| 09:23.18 | raster | conversion to something usable was useless |
| 09:23.21 | raster | i fixed it anyway |
| 09:23.23 | raster | found it eventually |
| 09:23.25 | Kensan | raster: put what online? |
| 09:23.50 | geaaru | is it possible see file on mmc memory from bootloader shell? i tried ext2ls /dev/mmcblk0p1 / but i have this message |
| 09:23.54 | Kensan | raster: I want so see how some package gets sucked in so having a dot graph would be nice... |
| 09:23.54 | geaaru | ** Block device /dev/mmcblk0p1 0 not supported |
| 09:24.07 | Kensan | lindi-: put what online? |
| 09:24.15 | Kensan | sorry, that was lindi- hehe |
| 09:24.33 | lindi- | Kensan: the dot file |
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| 09:26.04 | Kensan | lindi-: for what purpose? Do you want it? |
| 09:26.12 | lindi- | Kensan: i tought i could help :) |
| 09:26.24 | Kensan | lindi-: oh ok. |
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| 09:26.38 | raster | Kensan: i know it'd be nice |
| 09:26.50 | raster | but i found my solution and moved onto doing my work again :) |
| 09:27.17 | Kensan | raster: hehe very wise of you. Leave the crappy work to those who are into fixing crappy stuff ;) |
| 09:27.46 | Kensan | lindi-: I can mail it to you. I currently have nowhere to put it. |
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| 09:28.21 | raster | hehehe |
| 09:28.23 | raster | indeed |
| 09:28.24 | raster | very wise |
| 09:28.25 | raster | :) |
| 09:30.22 | KaZeR | is it the right place to post some questions about qtopia? |
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| 09:30.54 | raster | WERD! |
| 09:31.05 | raster | re-marker works |
| 09:31.08 | raster | as... expected |
| 09:31.55 | Kensan | raster: re-marker? |
| 09:32.08 | raster | working on my edje editable thing |
| 09:32.15 | raster | text goes in ans markup |
| 09:32.22 | raster | but is converted to text and format nodes |
| 09:32.36 | raster | now i just have a revrser |
| 09:32.42 | raster | that can take format nodes and generate markup |
| 09:32.46 | Kensan | raster: nice! |
| 09:33.57 | raster | i just needed the reverse |
| 09:33.57 | raster | but i can edit text in an edje textblock |
| 09:33.57 | raster | just tyoe and whatever awya |
| 09:33.57 | raster | and it "works" |
| 09:33.57 | raster | i can get text back |
| 09:33.58 | raster | with markup in-place |
| 09:35.35 | Kensan | raster: what would be the "easiest" way to write a small elementary app? Read the e related docs on enlightenment.org? |
| 09:36.50 | raster | read the source |
| 09:36.52 | raster | read alarm |
| 09:36.59 | raster | and elementary_test |
| 09:37.01 | raster | (test.c) |
| 09:37.03 | raster | its dead simple |
| 09:37.18 | Kensan | raster: heh might give it a show |
| 09:37.20 | Kensan | shot |
| 09:37.33 | Kensan | hm is today going to be another typo day?.... |
| 09:38.26 | cjb_ie | every day is a typo day. |
| 09:38.43 | raster | Kensan: just keep Elementary.h handy for reference for all api calls |
| 09:38.49 | raster | other than that... |
| 09:38.53 | raster | it shoudl be dead simple |
| 09:39.01 | Kensan | cjb_ie: I am talking about typos that make it on rasters top 10 list... |
| 09:40.49 | Kensan | hm the dot conversion is still using 100% of cpu and getting nowhere... |
| 09:40.52 | Kensan | strange |
| 09:41.47 | beni_ | i wonder why in the rootfs there is some /boot/uImage. i thought that the kernel resides in its own partition? |
| 09:42.56 | raster | Kensan: did that to me - for ages |
| 09:42.59 | raster | i let it go for about 30 mins |
| 09:43.02 | raster | gave up |
| 09:43.13 | Kensan | raster: I will let it run for some time then. |
| 09:43.24 | Kensan | raster: it's only hogging one of my cores ;) |
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| 09:47.54 | Kensan | raster: just swept through alarm: that's some nice to read c code mate! |
| 09:48.10 | Shleeee | hopes they finish the base kernel/module release soon.. having 37+ different gits is silly |
| 09:48.12 | raster | :) |
| 09:48.18 | Kensan | raster: hats off to you. Elementary looks really easy to use. |
| 09:48.22 | raster | i keep wondering what the fuss is about python |
| 09:48.30 | raster | c can and is just as easy |
| 09:48.39 | raster | *IF* u have the right libraries in place with the right api's |
| 09:48.48 | raster | and all u need is someone to set that up for you |
| 09:48.51 | raster | and presto |
| 09:49.04 | raster | the intent fo elementary is to dumb down sdome stuff |
| 09:49.14 | raster | and make it brain-dead easy to slap widgets together |
| 09:49.16 | raster | in code |
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| 09:51.57 | Kensan | raster: I should have looked at the code first... |
| 09:52.41 | raster | Kensan: thing to rememebr for me |
| 09:52.52 | raster | ALWAYS look at my .h files |
| 09:53.07 | Kensan | raster: well it's what I usually do but I am not back to 100% yet... ;) |
| 09:53.08 | raster | (once with capital letters at the start as they are api files - like Elementary.h) |
| 09:53.14 | raster | and then sample demo/test apps |
| 09:53.31 | raster | they tend to be quick and easy to grasp and get u started with simple copy & paste |
| 09:53.37 | raster | i prefer BOT to have docs |
| 09:53.40 | raster | err NOT |
| 09:53.49 | raster | imoh an api should be almsot self-explanatory |
| 09:54.00 | raster | for the common basic stuff u want to do |
| 09:54.04 | raster | until u are an avdanced user |
| 09:54.12 | raster | if u need docs to use it |
| 09:54.15 | raster | the api is crap |
| 09:54.24 | raster | a quick example |
| 09:54.31 | raster | and .h file shoudl be all u need for a while |
| 09:54.36 | raster | and once u are that far |
| 09:54.45 | raster | u can read the source to figure out the rest as u are now "advanced" |
| 09:54.45 | raster | :) |
| 09:55.20 | Kensan | haha |
| 09:55.53 | Kensan | wonders if its really that easy to get to level 2 with raster's stuff |
| 09:56.10 | raster | hehehe |
| 09:56.26 | raster | if there';s one thing.. i've bene doing library api's in c... for a decade |
| 09:56.34 | raster | i sucked at the start |
| 09:56.37 | raster | but i've learnt a lot |
| 09:56.41 | raster | gtk inspired me a lot |
| 09:56.55 | raster | but i love making api's that are "brain dead to use" |
| 09:57.00 | raster | as frankly - i make them for myself |
| 09:57.07 | raster | whne i am writing coee i want to forget about the details |
| 09:57.28 | raster | i want to knwo the details have been "handled for me in jyst the right way to be efficient and pick up the messy pieces i leave behind when being lazy" |
| 09:59.17 | Kensan | hm... dot is still going at it. |
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| 10:00.15 | raster | it will be for ages |
| 10:03.33 | beni_ | hm, if i boot my rootfs, shortly after the kernel took over control, i get alo of "Empty flash at 0xblah ends at 0xblahfoo" errors |
| 10:03.38 | beni_ | what des cause that? |
| 10:04.12 | Shleeee | Check the MD5 CRC on the rootfs |
| 10:04.20 | beni_ | i took the OM2008.9-update rootfs tar.gz, modified some files, extracted kernel modules of a newer kernel and build it up to an jffs2 |
| 10:04.39 | beni_ | the modules do match the kernel in altsetting "kernel" |
| 10:04.57 | beni_ | Shleeee: how? |
| 10:05.09 | beni_ | meaning: what to check exactly? |
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| 10:05.50 | beni_ | it looks to me like some problems with the kernel but i only can guess :/ |
| 10:07.25 | beni_ | the phone continues to boot up, but no networking etc is working |
| 10:07.51 | beni_ | for what reason is the /boot/uImage ? if the kernel is on its own partition? |
| 10:08.59 | SpeedEvil | Is it a normal file? |
| 10:09.09 | SpeedEvil | I mean - it's not a link or something? |
| 10:10.31 | beni_ | its a symlink to a uimage |
| 10:10.39 | beni_ | in same directory |
| 10:10.50 | beni_ | i googled a bit and it looks like these are jffs2 errors |
| 10:10.52 | beni_ | http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/jffs2.html |
| 10:11.09 | beni_ | so i think i did something wrong at constructing the jffs2 image |
| 10:11.20 | beni_ | but unfortunately i dont know how to fix this. |
| 10:11.41 | beni_ | i build with the following line: |
| 10:12.08 | beni_ | (debian testing) mkfs.jffs2 --pad=0x700000 -o $1 -e 0x4000 -n -d "myrootfs/" |
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| 10:12.33 | beni_ | mkfs.jffs2 -V |
| 10:12.34 | beni_ | mkfs.jffs2: revision 1.60 |
| 10:12.38 | beni_ | is that too old? |
| 10:15.03 | beni_ | well, but something on the kernel isnt correct too. i did not get any devices (sound, net etc) |
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| 10:23.20 | Patrick_Bateman | this is the third freerunner shipped to me with a fscked NAND :s |
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| 10:25.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mail * reea26c74b180 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/ (vendor_ficgta01.cpp vendor_ficgta01_p.h): [call echo] adding Ficgta01ModemHiddenFeatures, allows to send the known hidden at commands easily |
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| 10:31.10 | Kensan | raster: something is different in the current illume images... booting takes a lot longer than the first couple images I tested. |
| 10:31.32 | Kensan | raster: exquisite somehow seems to stall |
| 10:32.30 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rd8068e77c75f 10/tests/ (README opreferencesd.py sim.py test.py tests.conf): |
| 10:32.30 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: tests: Added 'request' decorator to the tests |
| 10:32.30 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This can be used to specify that a test can only be run under specific conditions (like if the sim card is present.) |
| 10:32.30 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: The current test condition can be specify in the file 'tests.conf' |
| 10:32.33 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: I also created a README file for the tests and started a sim test suite. |
| 10:32.45 | beni_ | md5sum Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.rootfs.jffs2 tmp.jffs2 |
| 10:32.45 | beni_ | 8d5791cfd594e3e5247ac38f095958cc Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 10:32.46 | beni_ | 259d21f5ecd495d13b8e90ede5046387 tmp.jffs2 |
| 10:32.59 | beni_ | and that just by untarring and rebuilding |
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| 10:37.38 | beni_ | cant explain that to me. |
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| 10:40.33 | Kensan | beni_: to generate the same hash-value it would need to be identical which it obviously isn't. |
| 10:42.43 | beni_ | Kensan: yes, something is different in my building |
| 10:42.47 | beni_ | but i dont know what |
| 10:43.07 | beni_ | the rootfs.tar.gz md5sum is the same as on downloads.openmoko.org |
| 10:43.20 | beni_ | so something here at my box must be different causing problems. |
| 10:45.28 | Kensan | beni_: well you cannot assume that simply issuing the same command will generate a "bit-identical" gz. |
| 10:46.28 | beni_ | well, i just build some jffs2 image. that results in errors i cant solve :( |
| 10:46.58 | beni_ | i dont know if the image file must be identical |
| 10:47.20 | Kensan | beni_: is there no info in the wiki? I have never packed a jffs2 image by hand... |
| 10:48.03 | beni_ | didnt find anything but http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image |
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| 11:05.15 | KaZeR | mmm. |
| 11:05.26 | KaZeR | can anyone explain what i have to do with the alsa spec files? |
| 11:05.41 | KaZeR | dialed friend has echo, and almost doesn't hear me |
| 11:05.58 | KaZeR | also, i hear the conversation as if i was using the speaker mode instead of the normal mode |
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| 11:07.02 | cjb_ie | as in, it's very loud, or the volume varies according to whether you're talking? |
| 11:07.51 | KaZeR | very loud |
| 11:08.13 | KaZeR | i thought it could be what caused the echo |
| 11:08.21 | KaZeR | i'm using qtopia 4.3 right now |
| 11:10.05 | KaZeR | mmm. looks like i need to copy the file to asound.state |
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| 11:27.02 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0be912f962a4 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: ousaged: readd parameter checking which seems to got lost on the way (tsss...) |
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| 11:42.17 | Kensan | mwester_: did you read the latest Weekly Engineering News? |
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| 11:53.53 | mickeyl | i hope you all love the engineering news |
| 11:53.53 | mickeyl | (or rather... most of you...) |
| 11:53.54 | CM_work | Of course we do! :) |
| 11:53.54 | Kensan | mickeyl: I was hoping that the focus would shift towards stabilization especially for the infrastrcture stuff (kernel etc) :) |
| 11:53.54 | Kensan | mickeyl: but quite frankly I did not expect that :) |
| 11:53.54 | Kensan | mickeyl: so it's a nice surprise. |
| 11:53.55 | mickeyl | :) |
| 11:53.55 | mickeyl | we had tons of discussions last month |
| 11:53.55 | Kensan | mickeyl: did the presence of the FSO-team have anything to do with that? ;) |
| 11:53.55 | mickeyl | a small bit |
| 11:53.55 | CM_work | hopes for some update on the GTA03 hw designs next week |
| 11:53.55 | mickeyl | actually Sean and the guys realized that the software plan was too broad |
| 11:53.55 | mickeyl | going back to the basics was the natural step |
| 11:53.55 | Kensan | mickeyl: awesome to hear! |
| 11:53.55 | mickeyl | but it took learning it the hard way |
| 11:53.55 | mickeyl | :) |
| 11:53.56 | CM_work | Better late than never.. ;) |
| 11:53.56 | mickeyl | right |
| 11:53.56 | Kensan | mickeyl: yeah... I had lost a bit of hope actually that OM would turn around... |
| 11:53.56 | Kensan | mickeyl: so this is great news more than ever ;) |
| 11:53.56 | mickeyl | yap, it is |
| 11:53.56 | mickeyl | we did a whole lot of chaos |
| 11:53.56 | mickeyl | but we're improving |
| 11:53.56 | mickeyl | really |
| 11:53.56 | CM_work | Noticed there will be an OpenMoko Codesprint on FSCONS next weekend |
| 11:53.56 | dolf1074 | nice to hear ;) |
| 11:53.56 | CM_work | will bring a GTA01 |
| 11:53.56 | mickeyl | (codesprint) cool thing |
| 11:53.56 | CM_work | http://fscons.org/openmoko-codesprint/ |
| 11:53.57 | mickeyl | I'm going to be on SYSTEMS fair in .de |
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| 11:53.57 | mickeyl | hope i can join next time |
| 11:53.57 | CM_work | :) |
| 11:53.57 | Kensan | mickeyl: yeah, I was never worried about userspace apps etc. especially with raster going at it like mad (elementary etc). But the basic infrastructure stuff: kernel etc was what had me worried a bit... |
| 11:53.58 | CM_work | mickeyl: Thanks for hanging in there and never giving up btw. It's an awesome project :) |
| 11:53.58 | mickeyl | Kensan: right. We have hired a bunch of kernel devs now to improve that |
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| 11:53.58 | mickeyl | CM_work: thanks. I was close to leaving at multiple occasions |
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| 11:53.59 | Kensan | mickeyl: cool :) |
| 11:53.59 | CM_work | Can imagine that |
| 11:53.59 | dolf1074 | Nice, hope to see the changes soon :) |
| 11:53.59 | dolf1074 | in the base image ;) |
| 11:53.59 | Kensan | mickeyl: well I've heard Doctor's are tough and stubborn *heh* |
| 11:53.59 | mickeyl | Kensan: hahah, must be that, ya |
| 11:53.59 | mickeyl | hates giving up |
| 11:54.00 | mickeyl | really |
| 11:54.00 | Kensan | mickeyl: good for us :) |
| 11:54.00 | CM_work | Same here. And usually it's good, but some times very tiring.. |
| 11:54.01 | Kensan | gives mickeyl a well deserved round of applause |
| 11:54.15 | mickeyl | bows |
| 11:54.16 | Wonka | claps hands too |
| 11:54.47 | dolf1074 | me too |
| 11:54.52 | CM_work | ~beer mickeyl |
| 11:54.52 | apt | ACTION pours a pint of Piraat for mickeyl |
| 11:54.58 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 11:55.04 | CM_work | Bah, not a Leffe Blonde? ;) |
| 11:55.07 | Kensan | mickeyl: seriously, with you off to other things this project would have been in for a rough ride... |
| 11:55.13 | Wonka | by the way, will there be support in frameworkd for online AGPS anytime soon? |
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| 11:55.31 | mickeyl | CM_work: looking forward to FOSDEM... |
| 11:55.48 | mickeyl | Kensan: *nod* i would have felt very bad |
| 11:56.08 | Kensan | mickeyl: I guess Thomas will be glad to hear those news too. We were talking exactly about this issue at the moko party in Bern. |
| 11:56.14 | mickeyl | Wonka: absolutely. once we have networking support in place, we're going to add the high level "locations" service which will do more of that |
| 11:56.27 | mickeyl | what we did now was just the standalone subsystems |
| 11:56.38 | mickeyl | the great things are still coming once we connect the information from various subsystems |
| 11:56.42 | Kensan | mickeyl: well there's only so much you can do. Obviously it is A LOT but still :) |
| 11:56.57 | mathieu__ | hello |
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| 11:57.12 | mickeyl | Kensan: absolutely true. that's why I'm very glad we have this new modus of operandi wrt. FSO and Openmoko |
| 11:57.14 | Wonka | cool :) |
| 11:57.40 | mickeyl | like, whenever 'locations' will sense networking |
| 11:57.49 | mickeyl | it will try to connect the agps server |
| 11:57.53 | mickeyl | trying to grab some ephemeris |
| 11:58.00 | mickeyl | (if enabled in prefs) |
| 11:58.12 | mickeyl | same w/ ntpd etc. |
| 11:58.22 | mickeyl | the fun stuff is really interconnecting the subsystems |
| 11:58.24 | Kensan | mickeyl: well with the team growing I hope this takes some weigth off your shoulders. |
| 11:58.34 | Wonka | i hope it will do so only if GPS currently has no fix? |
| 11:58.59 | mickeyl | Wonka: ya, will come up with some heuristics |
| 11:59.17 | mickeyl | Kensan: *nod* the danger is that i need to do more management as opposed to coding, but i think it's going to be allright |
| 11:59.35 | Wonka | but then, it should at least update it's almanach cache regularly, even if there's no active GPS user |
| 11:59.53 | Wonka | should be configurable not to do that too |
| 12:00.26 | Kensan | mickeyl: oh well, it's never perfect *heh* |
| 12:00.30 | Wonka | and i'd like to have much stuff doable via cli, so I can activate/deactivate stuff via cron |
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| 12:04.13 | FredFokan | ? |
| 12:04.14 | Kensan | hm what's with all the netsplits? |
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| 12:04.14 | Wonka | splitnode! don't we love it? |
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| 12:05.07 | mickeyl | Wonka: that's for sure |
| 12:05.07 | mickeyl | that's why i love to have dbus |
| 12:05.07 | mickeyl | console-based scripting for free |
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| 12:06.19 | KaZeR | mmm. i've now installed 2008.9. it booted, and now i'm asked for the pincode. |
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| 12:06.44 | KaZeR | excepted that the keyboard has only letters. i don't see how to change it, am i missing something? (i bet i am ) |
| 12:07.23 | dolf1074 | KaZeR: read the topic of the channel please: you must slide your finder up for getting numbers |
| 12:07.24 | Kensan | mickeyl: just read the previous weekly engineering: great to hear about fso.org funding etc! |
| 12:07.37 | KaZeR | uh apologies |
| 12:07.39 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 12:07.54 | dolf1074 | no prob :) (It's a commonly asked thing) |
| 12:08.11 | Kensan | mickeyl: if everytime you go to Taipeh there's such a big push you should go there more often *hehe* |
| 12:08.25 | KaZeR | dolf1074, yes i guess.. if it made its way to the topic :) |
| 12:08.56 | mickeyl | Kensan: true, we're trying to bump the frequency a bit. i really hate these 14 hour plane trips though |
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| 12:09.38 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rd5f6a3e5a2ad 10/packages/tasks/task-python-everything.bb: [task-python-everything] Remove python-lightmediascanner |
| 12:09.52 | Kensan | mickeyl: yeah but it's gotten a lot better in the past years. I remember 32-hour flights to Japan... |
| 12:10.49 | dolf1074 | mickeyl: but with FDOM and 26 different games, you shouldn't be bored :p |
| 12:11.26 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 12:11.57 | mathieu__ | hello, |
| 12:12.23 | Kensan | mathieu__: hi there |
| 12:12.28 | mathieu__ | I'm here because I want to develop something for the freerunner in a study project |
| 12:12.57 | mathieu__ | that would be a dasher-like "keyboard" for enlightenment |
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| 12:13.34 | mathieu__ | but to do this in a schoolar project, I need to be mentor by someone from an society or organisation |
| 12:13.50 | mathieu__ | so, I'm wondering if someone would be intersting to mentor me |
| 12:15.05 | Kensan | mathieu__: where are you located? Grenoble? Maybe there's somebody from the openmoko group in france that could help you out. |
| 12:18.16 | Kensan | mathieu__: http://openmoko-fr.org/blog/ |
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| 12:22.48 | mathieu__ | I'm sorry network is unstable here... did you see what I send? |
| 12:22.56 | mathieu__ | and does anybody answer? |
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| 12:26.21 | KaZeR | <Kensan> mathieu__: where are you located? Grenoble? Maybe there's somebody from the openmoko group in france that could help you out. |
| 12:26.25 | KaZeR | <Kensan> mathieu__: http://openmoko-fr.org/blog/ |
| 12:27.08 | mathieu__ | did you lookup the ip to find that ?! thx, i'll try that |
| 12:27.25 | beni_ | /usr/share/enlightenment ??? |
| 12:27.36 | beni_ | enlight_en_ment |
| 12:27.50 | beni_ | thought that this was named enlightment |
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| 12:29.30 | raster | mathieu__: i hope u've given it good thought. to do a vkbd you will either neet o learn a lot about x or build on/use existign code |
| 12:29.56 | raster | mathieu__: also be aware that imho dasher is a very slow and cumbersome input |
| 12:30.00 | raster | it sjuts kinda looks neat |
| 12:30.30 | Kensan | mathieu__: "14:21 -!- mathieu__ [n=mathieu@c49-6.vpnext.upmf-grenoble.fr] has joined #openmoko" so it's a fair guess ;) |
| 12:31.05 | Kensan | mathieu__: oh and yeah you should mull your ideas over with raster ;) |
| 12:31.39 | mathieu__ | raster, I thought about it a little already, and yes I have a lot to learn |
| 12:32.05 | mathieu__ | but I have 2 months full-time (january and february) to work on it |
| 12:32.27 | mathieu__ | and a few hours per week in novemeber and december |
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| 12:33.54 | mathieu__ | and as you already do a keyboar module, I think a lot of work can be reused, isn't it? |
| 12:36.06 | mathieu__ | raster, do you think it's to much work? |
| 12:36.52 | raster | mathieu__: for me.. not much. the ui and x side anyway |
| 12:36.59 | raster | i need to invest more in the dictionary lookup |
| 12:37.05 | raster | tho i already did a chunk of that |
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| 12:38.09 | mathieu__ | as I imagine it, ui and x would be the first part, than I could add fonctionnalities |
| 12:38.46 | mathieu__ | eg: dictionaniries, profile per application?, ... |
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| 12:43.59 | beni_ | how can i install the keyboard in 2008.9? it seems the illume-config-illume package is not there anymore |
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| 12:47.13 | raster | mathieu__: well first.. do you know how dasher works? |
| 12:47.34 | raster | mathieu__: before you lift a single finger in code - make sure you know your strategy - how exactly does it do its stuff? |
| 12:47.35 | raster | :) |
| 12:49.24 | mathieu__ | raster, actually I don't know exactly how its done, I just read information on the website and don't have yet look their code |
| 12:49.32 | raster | aha! |
| 12:49.42 | raster | as an excerise |
| 12:49.45 | raster | dont read their code |
| 12:49.50 | raster | dont read their docs |
| 12:49.57 | raster | u've seen the videos of how dasher works right? |
| 12:50.22 | mathieu__ | I have a course about tokenisation of natural language, I think that might help also |
| 12:50.33 | mathieu__ | yes, and i tried it on my laptop with the mouse |
| 12:51.17 | raster | ok |
| 12:51.25 | raster | then... how do you think it works? |
| 12:51.26 | raster | :) |
| 12:52.06 | mathieu__ | i think that they only do the prediction with the last letter |
| 12:52.12 | mathieu__ | and not the whole word |
| 12:52.42 | mathieu__ | eg, for each letter, they store the probability of each letter that could follow |
| 12:52.51 | mathieu__ | (sorry for my english) |
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| 12:53.07 | raster | and how would they figure out that probability? |
| 12:53.08 | raster | :) |
| 12:53.24 | raster | or how could you make that probabiulity guess/calculation really good? |
| 12:53.24 | raster | :) |
| 12:53.41 | mathieu__ | the probabilty are same at the begining and learn from what is type |
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| 12:53.51 | raster | sure |
| 12:53.53 | mathieu__ | or can be train with corpus |
| 12:54.01 | raster | ok |
| 12:54.06 | raster | corpus containing what exactly? |
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| 12:54.51 | mathieu__ | that would depends who will use it, in the user language first |
| 12:55.04 | raster | well more abstractly |
| 12:55.06 | mathieu__ | that could be books in commons language |
| 12:55.19 | mathieu__ | or mails |
| 12:55.26 | raster | (note - i'ma sking this because i already know at least a solution... :)) |
| 12:55.29 | raster | ok |
| 12:55.37 | raster | so its a dict of words |
| 12:55.43 | raster | anything else? |
| 12:55.44 | raster | :) |
| 12:56.26 | mathieu__ | in a dict of words, every word is only once, in real text, often used words are find a lot of time |
| 12:57.30 | raster | correct |
| 12:57.37 | raster | so... how woudl you reflect this? |
| 12:57.39 | raster | would |
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| 12:58.47 | Kensan | raster: markov? |
| 12:58.48 | mathieu__ | well, I didn't figure that yet |
| 12:59.26 | raster | :) |
| 12:59.29 | raster | where iw as getting at is this |
| 12:59.39 | raster | u likely need exactly the dict data illume uses |
| 12:59.45 | raster | a dictionay with frequencye data |
| 13:00.10 | mathieu__ | that seems to fit well |
| 13:00.13 | raster | abolition 14 |
| 13:00.18 | raster | abominates 1 |
| 13:00.27 | raster | achievement 48 |
| 13:00.47 | raster | door 305 |
| 13:00.49 | raster | etc. |
| 13:00.53 | mathieu__ | ok I understant, from a text in natural language you construct this dictionnary + frequencies |
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| 13:01.02 | raster | actual storage mechanisms etc. u can worry about later |
| 13:01.14 | raster | but in principle u have data that has words and how often they are used |
| 13:01.18 | raster | as a person types |
| 13:01.20 | raster | you are right |
| 13:01.25 | raster | they start with equal frequency |
| 13:01.55 | mathieu__ | yes, i think so |
| 13:02.11 | raster | (actually thats wrong. before they start a word certian leters are much mroe likely than others to start words with - u can figure this out by summing the cumulative freq of all a word,s all b, all c, d, e, f rtc. words) |
| 13:02.15 | raster | when they select a letter |
| 13:02.17 | raster | eg "d" |
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| 13:02.25 | raster | u know it can only now be all words that start with d |
| 13:02.30 | raster | so your search space is d* |
| 13:02.37 | mathieu__ | correct |
| 13:02.53 | raster | now the next letter is the relatvie freq based on a-z within all words that start with d |
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| 13:03.01 | raster | sum the freq of da* |
| 13:03.02 | raster | of db* |
| 13:03.04 | raster | dc* |
| 13:03.05 | raster | dd* |
| 13:03.06 | raster | etc. |
| 13:03.18 | raster | and then that gives u relative frequency (likelihood) |
| 13:03.19 | raster | and so on |
| 13:03.21 | raster | per letter |
| 13:03.23 | raster | now.. |
| 13:03.34 | mathieu__ | I'm just a the beginning of the course for natural language, but i lerand that a finite automate can store a lot of word efficiently, |
| 13:03.38 | raster | u need to figure out a way to do the following whihc i dont rrememebr dasher addressing: |
| 13:03.42 | raster | 1. capitalisation |
| 13:03.50 | raster | if i want to enter a person's name |
| 13:03.53 | mathieu__ | if we put the frequency on each letter, that could do the job? |
| 13:03.56 | raster | i want the first letter a capital |
| 13:04.08 | raster | 2. still offer "impossible" letters if tis a proepr name for something not in the dict |
| 13:04.16 | raster | 3. sumbols and numbers |
| 13:04.23 | raster | 5. how to end a word |
| 13:04.30 | raster | 6. up/down/left/rtigh arrow |
| 13:04.31 | raster | backspace |
| 13:04.33 | raster | enter |
| 13:04.36 | raster | etc. etc. etc. |
| 13:04.43 | raster | and within all thius |
| 13:04.46 | mathieu__ | exact :s |
| 13:04.50 | raster | you need a way for it to not occuyp the whole screen |
| 13:04.58 | raster | u ned to see the relative context |
| 13:05.02 | raster | ie the sentence u were editing |
| 13:05.18 | raster | so you need to figure out how to arrange it on screen |
| 13:05.21 | raster | and still be usable |
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| 13:05.49 | beni_ | well, is there a way to reinstall illume? i get the e desktop now instead of the usual gui |
| 13:06.14 | beni_ | illume complained that its config is newer than it should be and "reset it to defaults" |
| 13:06.26 | mathieu__ | raster, that seems an interresting problem ;) |
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| 13:10.53 | mathieu__ | raster, I'll have to work in next hour, I'll be back right after |
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| 13:14.23 | raster | mathieu__: its a lot of stuff |
| 13:14.29 | raster | (to do) |
| 13:14.42 | raster | but make sure you think the problem through |
| 13:14.49 | raster | solve several of the subsystems in your head first |
| 13:14.57 | raster | figure out how you wil addres the ui |
| 13:15.03 | raster | figure out all the problems tyou will create in doing it |
| 13:15.10 | raster | think of all the possible use cases and apps out ther |
| 13:15.11 | raster | users |
| 13:15.22 | raster | rememebr too that the touchscreen is not very sensitive |
| 13:15.24 | raster | if you use a finger |
| 13:15.36 | raster | so "Dragging" means the mus ekeeps lifint off the screen often |
| 13:15.41 | raster | (even if your finger is touching) |
| 13:15.42 | raster | err |
| 13:15.45 | raster | mouse |
| 13:15.47 | raster | lifting |
| 13:16.10 | Kensan | hands over the typo-crown to raster |
| 13:16.12 | raster | beni_: u can rm -rf ~/.e/ |
| 13:16.37 | Kensan | raster: btw. the dot conversion is still running *heh* somethings off. |
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| 13:18.50 | zash | the "mus", are you swedish or something? |
| 13:19.14 | zash | or is that borrowed to/from germany |
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| 13:20.30 | raster | Kensan: it wont do anything. give up :) |
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| 13:20.39 | raster | zash: typo :) |
| 13:20.58 | raster | mouse |
| 13:21.03 | Dave | :o |
| 13:21.24 | Dave | Hello raster! |
| 13:21.53 | Kensan | raster: I totally forgot about it *heh* Well that's just too bad :( |
| 13:22.03 | raster | Dave: moo |
| 13:22.49 | Dave | MOO |
| 13:25.19 | Dave | set me up teh sources! |
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| 13:26.38 | dolf1074 | mickeyl: but with FDOM and 26 different games, you shouldn't be bored :p |
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| 13:34.18 | swc|666 | anyone here know how to overcome this -- -msoft-float and -mhard_float may not be used together ?? |
| 13:34.20 | pb__ | swc|666: either stop using soft-float and hard-float together, or use -Wl,--no-warn-mismatch |
| 13:34.31 | swc|666 | hmm |
| 13:34.47 | mjr | what does one expect to accomplish by using them together? |
| 13:34.50 | pb__ | the former is probably the best plan. the latter will get you a binary output, but there is a fairly strong chance it won't run |
| 13:35.21 | swc|666 | i'm trying to cross compile a driver and get stuck at that |
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| 13:35.49 | pb__ | is it a driver with binary-only components? |
| 13:35.54 | nyu | you could remove both and let the default be used |
| 13:36.13 | pb__ | if you have all the source, and you're building it from source, it probably means that you are accidentally compiling different object files with different CFLAGS or different compilers. |
| 13:36.22 | pb__ | for example, accidentally mixing eabi and oabi |
| 13:36.23 | swc|666 | i have the source |
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| 13:36.40 | pb__ | is this a kernel driver? |
| 13:36.46 | swc|666 | yep |
| 13:36.56 | pb__ | okay, so it should probably be all-soft-float |
| 13:37.11 | pb__ | you need to figure out where the hard-float flag is coming from and stop it. |
| 13:37.24 | swc|666 | i'm getting close |
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| 13:37.45 | raster | stop dem had floaties |
| 13:37.53 | raster | hard hard hard floaties |
| 13:38.06 | swc|666 | lol |
| 13:38.28 | joerg_42 | moo |
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| 13:55.54 | swc|666 | meh... i'm lost -- this driver needs my kernel to have ehci_hcd support -- is this even possible? |
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| 13:58.55 | mjr | the neo doesn't have ehci hardware (that's, you know, usb 2 stufF) |
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| 14:00.40 | Dave | joerg moo |
| 14:01.15 | Dave | Hi dolf |
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| 14:06.30 | Rupert__ | quick question should I be installing ipkgs for glibc or uClib on the FreeRunner [2008.*] |
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| 14:07.00 | Dave | raster, which sources should I build off of? |
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| 14:07.57 | Kensan | Dave: what are you trying to build? |
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| 14:09.29 | Dave | Kensan, illume for z72 |
| 14:10.42 | Kensan | Dave: illume-image is all the same, you just need to adjuste the local.conf |
| 14:10.47 | Kensan | -e |
| 14:11.15 | Docscrutinizer2 | Dave: for the whole gang of 12^2? |
| 14:11.31 | Kensan | Dave: raster is building all images of his gang with the same scripts/sources etc. |
| 14:12.21 | Dave | right |
| 14:12.24 | Docscrutinizer2 | everything else would be boring |
| 14:12.27 | Dave | Joerg :D |
| 14:12.44 | Dave | Kensan, give me the source! |
| 14:13.31 | Docscrutinizer2 | Dave: check out from Raster's SVN? |
| 14:13.41 | Kensan | Dave: svn co http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP/oe/ |
| 14:13.48 | Dave | aha |
| 14:14.00 | Kensan | Dave: or which source are you talking about? |
| 14:14.05 | Dave | yeah, that's it |
| 14:14.10 | Dave | I didn't have the url handy though :p |
| 14:14.27 | Kensan | Dave: ah, that's where I come in *heh* |
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| 14:14.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r318063bc158a 10/packages/e17/edje-viewer_svn.bb: [edje-viewer] The source code changed, remove the patch because it |
| 14:14.49 | Dave | Indeed :) |
| 14:14.55 | Dave | How big is it, by the way? |
| 14:15.47 | swc|666 | w00t.. think i got it pb_ |
| 14:15.53 | Docscrutinizer2 | less than a TB |
| 14:16.14 | Docscrutinizer2 | ;-) |
| 14:16.39 | Rupert__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.48 | toggles_w | anyone know how to add zhone to the image once you build it? |
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| 14:18.51 | Dave | gee, great |
| 14:20.55 | Kensan | Dave: what do you mean? the illume rootfs? ~36 megs |
| 14:22.24 | Dave | uggh |
| 14:22.34 | Dave | stupid git |
| 14:23.32 | Docscrutinizer2 | Dave: computers are stupid but FAAAST |
| 14:24.20 | Dave | great |
| 14:24.34 | Dave | so now I get no information returned in much quicker time |
| 14:24.39 | Dave | wonderful |
| 14:24.56 | Docscrutinizer2 | LOL, EXACTLY |
| 14:25.00 | nyu | git is fast now? |
| 14:25.13 | Docscrutinizer2 | sorry capslock |
| 14:25.26 | Dave | :P |
| 14:27.04 | Docscrutinizer2 | nyu: compared to doing same thing with a typewriter - sure |
| 14:27.24 | Dave | In the meantime, the angstrom build using opie isn't bad |
| 14:27.37 | Kensan | wget http://edgyu.excess.org/kernel-walkthrough/2008-08-21/boot1.flv |
| 14:27.40 | Kensan | ops |
| 14:27.43 | Kensan | wrong window |
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| 14:28.09 | Dave | :o |
| 14:28.58 | Dave | We meet again, Mr. Code. |
| 14:32.15 | bricode | Dave-o: Staying out of trouble? |
| 14:32.37 | Dave | Hardly :D |
| 14:32.55 | bricode | Well, same here. |
| 14:33.00 | Dave | heh, as always ;) |
| 14:33.03 | bricode | Trying not to melt in all this rain down here. |
| 14:33.07 | zash | l |
| 14:33.28 | bricode | But keeping busy. Will be into more fun in about a weeks time. |
| 14:33.38 | zash | oh noes, the "typing in the wrong terminal window" is spreading! |
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| 14:34.35 | Docscrutinizer2 | virus? |
| 14:35.26 | Dave | nice |
| 14:35.37 | Dave | zomg |
| 14:36.01 | Dave | scrutinizes the Doctor |
| 14:36.08 | Dave | mad doctor! |
| 14:36.40 | Docscrutinizer2 | snickers |
| 14:36.57 | Dave | :D |
| 14:37.26 | Docscrutinizer2 | :o) |
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| 14:38.03 | Dave | Uggh, why do other ops have to be such dicks sometimes. |
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| 14:39.03 | Docscrutinizer2 | xChat rather strange... |
| 14:39.23 | Docscrutinizer2 | on N810 at least |
| 14:39.58 | Dave | So you have said |
| 14:40.04 | Dave | I hear it's also a pain in the ass to setup :p |
| 14:40.49 | Docscrutinizer2 | hi, dave-apt |
| 14:42.17 | Dave | Greetings user |
| 14:42.44 | Wonka | Greetings, Programs! |
| 14:42.53 | Dave | all your packages are belong to me |
| 14:43.10 | Docscrutinizer2 | lol |
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| 14:44.39 | Dave | apt-dave search libmokoui2* |
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| 14:47.17 | Dave | So... many... zires... |
| 14:47.19 | Dave | @_@ |
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| 14:59.16 | Kensan | raster: dot finished! It created a 26 meg ps file :) |
| 14:59.23 | raster | shit |
| 14:59.25 | raster | how long? |
| 14:59.34 | Kensan | ~3 hours |
| 14:59.35 | Kensan | a bit more |
| 14:59.37 | raster | fuck |
| 14:59.45 | raster | someone needs to go optimise graphviz |
| 14:59.49 | Kensan | raster: let me open it, maybe it's crap |
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| 15:00.42 | Kensan | raster: nice the default document viewer crashes |
| 15:00.52 | raster | whats the info |
| 15:00.56 | raster | "file f.png |
| 15:00.57 | raster | ? |
| 15:00.58 | slaxxin | 0penm00c0w? |
| 15:00.59 | raster | (size) |
| 15:01.14 | Kensan | raster: it's a 26 meg ps not png |
| 15:01.19 | raster | oooh |
| 15:01.20 | raster | ps |
| 15:01.45 | Dave | craps |
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| 15:02.40 | Dave | three hours? |
| 15:03.05 | Kensan | raster: will try to convert it to png |
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| 15:03.24 | raster | ps2pdf |
| 15:03.30 | Kensan | raster: that's probably gonna take another 3 hours *lol* |
| 15:03.32 | raster | god one way or another |
| 15:03.35 | raster | its hoorible |
| 15:03.35 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 15:03.36 | raster | 3hrs |
| 15:03.56 | Dave | that's like the time it takes me to boot my freerunner |
| 15:04.01 | Dave | and flash it |
| 15:04.21 | Kensan | raster: indeed. well if it used the other 3 cores... *hah* |
| 15:04.34 | Dave | hahaha |
| 15:04.53 | Kensan | raster: pdf looks like utter crap, need to do it differently... |
| 15:05.09 | Dave | Kensan, another three hours then? :( |
| 15:05.10 | Kensan | raster: ps2ascii maybe |
| 15:05.33 | Kensan | Dave: will see. |
| 15:06.01 | Kensan | raster: it means illume has too many dependencies ;) |
| 15:06.07 | Dave | rut roh |
| 15:06.26 | raster | hahahahah |
| 15:07.07 | Kensan | raster: well I'll report back when I have something usable... opening the ps file fails... |
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| 15:10.13 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 15:11.11 | Dave | ahoi ahoi |
| 15:11.16 | Dave | ahoy mateys |
| 15:11.54 | toggles_w | Dave: intl pirate day was last month |
| 15:12.03 | toggles_w | ;-) |
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| 15:13.04 | Dave | fuck that bullshit |
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| 15:13.36 | Dave | When's international nazi day? |
| 15:13.42 | toggles_w | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Talk_Like_a_Pirate_Day |
| 15:13.43 | Dave | I'm sure that'll be big aroud this channel. |
| 15:13.44 | toggles_w | dunno |
| 15:13.55 | Dave | Heil ze moko reich! |
| 15:14.08 | Dave | since like 50% of the developers are germans |
| 15:14.20 | toggles_w | damn, i hate agile development.. |
| 15:14.21 | Wonka | Germans, not Nazis. |
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| 15:17.25 | Dave | Wonka, yeah yeah |
| 15:17.34 | Dave | Wonka, honestly, the way some of the development is going... |
| 15:17.52 | Dave | actually I Wish we had an evil overlord, dictating the way things would go... according to their "master plan" |
| 15:18.00 | Dave | I nominate raster |
| 15:18.07 | Dave | and his "raster plan" :p |
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| 15:21.02 | Dave | Hey Isajha |
| 15:21.34 | Isajha | hi |
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| 15:26.50 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4713 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (4 files): Rebasing the WLAN patches and cleaning out old crud ... |
| 15:26.57 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r9e3de84fc4aa 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [Qtopia] Bump up Qtopia to eea26c74b18007142d7f02cb5633dffbfb63bd7a |
| 15:29.46 | Tm_T | Dave: please drop that nazi thing before it gets ugly |
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| 15:31.10 | Kensan | mwester_: did you notice the weekly engineering news? Didn't we talk about that yesterday? ;) |
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| 15:33.47 | henkie_ | should i be able to flash when i am in the nand menu? |
| 15:34.19 | henkie_ | according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner flashing is done in the NOR boot |
| 15:34.32 | henkie_ | but my boot menu says NAND |
| 15:34.39 | mwester | Yes you can flash from NAND, the wiki is wrong |
| 15:34.57 | Dave | tmt :( |
| 15:35.10 | mwester | In fact, you should never need to use NOR flash ever, unless you have screwed up your NAND uboot. |
| 15:35.16 | henkie_ | ok, so i only need NOR when things are real bad? |
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| 15:35.35 | henkie_ | because i read maybe this way the battery can be charged from zero |
| 15:36.08 | mwester | NAND/NOR have no difference with battery charging. |
| 15:36.15 | henkie_ | i dont have an external/standalone charger |
| 15:36.16 | mwester | In fact, NOR will be worse, as it is older. |
| 15:36.51 | Kensan | mwester: can the NOR u-boot be flashed with the debug board? |
| 15:36.52 | Docscrutinizer2 | henkie_: that's true if NAND uboot is one of the broken versions |
| 15:37.16 | Docscrutinizer2 | yup |
| 15:37.25 | Kensan | mwester: ok stupid question. got the answer right away. |
| 15:37.27 | mwester | Kensan: Yes, the ONLY way to flash NOR u-boot is with a GTA02 version of the debug board (not even the Neo version of the debug board can do it) |
| 15:38.01 | Docscrutinizer2 | neo version? |
| 15:38.10 | henkie_ | DocScrutinizer, ah i see. so completly emptying the battery shouldnt be a real problem? |
| 15:38.14 | mwester | :) I don't know the rev number. |
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| 15:39.01 | mwester | henkie_: Completely empyting the battery is a problem, regardless of what uboot you have. It might be slightly easier/faster to recover if you use a much newer NAND u-boot, though. |
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| 15:39.20 | Docscrutinizer2 | henkie_: it's a problem when you got too small a capacitor on Vsys |
| 15:39.57 | mwester | has detected a theme on the GTA02 -- it involves insufficient capacitance in general ;) |
| 15:40.17 | mwester | Audio, SD card, Vsys.... |
| 15:40.43 | henkie_ | ah ok |
| 15:40.53 | henkie_ | i'll wait with flashing my u-boot for another time :) |
| 15:41.21 | Docscrutinizer2 | henkie_: also some newer NAND uboot versions seem to be buggy wrt boot on low bat |
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| 15:43.14 | Docscrutinizer2 | henkie_: try boot-up without batterie, so you'll know |
| 15:47.42 | henkie_ | Docscrutinizer2, good idea :) |
| 15:48.16 | henkie_ | nice to read the focus is now on using it as a phone |
| 15:49.11 | Docscrutinizer2 | henkie_: that's the way I discovered the NAND bug |
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| 15:56.45 | Kagee | https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/gitweb?p=qtopia.git;a=commitdiff;h=8fc50673571e3c2b93c8fde928876d98280a22c8 <<-- this is for the OM 200x.x-distributions, right ? |
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| 16:22.21 | Dave | Joerg - the nand bug? :o |
| 16:23.31 | Docscrutinizer2 | not booting without bat, on a device that could on Factory NOR |
| 16:24.15 | Docscrutinizer2 | uboot that is |
| 16:24.27 | Dave | :X |
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| 16:26.38 | Dave | Virus |
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| 17:20.59 | SpeedEvil | ponders use-case for GPS + flash-camera. |
| 17:21.22 | SpeedEvil | Stadium + enough users = flash up text. |
| 17:22.15 | Docscrutinizer2 | boooo ey - cool :) |
| 17:23.11 | Docscrutinizer2 | need adhoc wifi to sync |
| 17:23.27 | SpeedEvil | you've got GPS for sync. |
| 17:23.29 | Docscrutinizer2 | or BT |
| 17:23.57 | Docscrutinizer2 | need some database for text |
| 17:24.10 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 17:24.18 | SpeedEvil | But GPRS even'd be fine for that. |
| 17:24.24 | Docscrutinizer2 | mustn't be hardcoded to image |
| 17:24.41 | Docscrutinizer2 | yup |
| 17:25.03 | Docscrutinizer2 | kove the idea |
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| 17:26.06 | Docscrutinizer2 | blinkenlights automagically |
| 17:26.48 | viq | What about the GPS's inaccuracy? |
| 17:27.25 | SpeedEvil | What inaccuracy? |
| 17:27.35 | bumbl | viq: let's get the us military version p |
| 17:27.37 | Dave | :D |
| 17:27.37 | bumbl | :p |
| 17:27.47 | viq | bumbl: I'm all for it ;) |
| 17:27.48 | Dave | Speedevil, evil scheming I see |
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| 17:27.51 | Docscrutinizer2 | that's a clear DGPS scenario |
| 17:27.55 | SpeedEvil | You get - for recievers close to each other about a meter and a half error. |
| 17:27.58 | mwester | Designate one to be the reference point, then using wifi or bluetooth, use differential GPS to determine exact location relative to reference. |
| 17:27.58 | SpeedEvil | Maybe 2. |
| 17:28.16 | Dave | DGPS? |
| 17:28.27 | mwester | google differential gps |
| 17:28.37 | SpeedEvil | DGPS requires hardware |
| 17:28.46 | Docscrutinizer2 | nope |
| 17:28.48 | Dave | oh, yeah |
| 17:28.53 | Dave | fuckers |
| 17:28.57 | Docscrutinizer2 | not really |
| 17:29.16 | Dave | :| |
| 17:29.16 | mwester | DGPS can be done over the internet, even. |
| 17:29.21 | Dave | hot |
| 17:29.31 | Docscrutinizer2 | well for max accuracy yes |
| 17:29.36 | SpeedEvil | DGPS requires hardware of certain sorts. |
| 17:29.46 | SpeedEvil | And for certain outputs to be available from the GPS. |
| 17:30.15 | Docscrutinizer2 | well for max accuracy yes |
| 17:30.57 | Docscrutinizer2 | as you need to sync raw RF-data |
| 17:31.19 | SpeedEvil | Not quite - RF data will get you millimeters. |
| 17:31.30 | SpeedEvil | You can get well sub-metre with other ways. |
| 17:31.54 | Docscrutinizer2 | true DGPS can |
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| 17:33.08 | Docscrutinizer2 | with "poor man's DGPS" you shoul get around 1..2m |
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| 17:35.03 | Dave | :P |
| 17:35.06 | Dave | hehe not bad |
| 17:35.11 | Dave | coat hanger antenna? :P |
| 17:35.24 | exactt | hi, anybody ever tried http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dbus ? |
| 17:35.37 | exactt | running FSO milestone 3 ? |
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| 17:36.21 | mickey|coffeebrk | the part section called 'python' is utterly out of date |
| 17:36.28 | mickey|coffeebrk | better use docs.freesmartphone.org for that |
| 17:36.29 | exactt | i always get: failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed. |
| 17:37.17 | exactt | i don't get far: # ./hello.py |
| 17:37.17 | exactt | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 17:37.17 | exactt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.17 | exactt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.17 | exactt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.18 | exactt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.20 | exactt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.22 | exactt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.24 | exactt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.26 | exactt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.28 | exactt | dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed. |
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| 17:39.42 | mickey|coffeebrk | well |
| 17:39.53 | mickey|coffeebrk | it won't work w/ that sample since that sample is outdated |
| 17:39.56 | mickey|coffeebrk | but for reference |
| 17:40.07 | mickey|coffeebrk | if you need a session bus, call it like that: |
| 17:40.15 | mickey|coffeebrk | dbus-launch python ./hello.py |
| 17:40.51 | exactt | excellent... |
| 17:41.10 | exactt | now comes the interesting part... |
| 17:41.24 | exactt | will update the wiki as soon as i get it going... |
| 17:41.29 | mickey|coffeebrk | cool |
| 17:41.43 | mickey|coffeebrk | you better check freesmartphone.org -> tutorials though |
| 17:42.02 | exactt | just a bit afraid i mess up aonther entry... see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone |
| 17:42.09 | mickey|coffeebrk | since we have completey different APIs nowadays |
| 17:42.16 | exactt | no idea what's happening there... see discussion tab |
| 17:42.38 | mickey|coffeebrk | i'll take a look at building it |
| 17:42.48 | exactt | thx mate |
| 17:44.32 | mickey|coffeebrk | np |
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| 18:10.40 | exactt | mickey: can you help me again? |
| 18:10.53 | exactt | i am a total python newbie... |
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| 18:11.05 | exactt | didn't more than a hello world yet... |
| 18:11.53 | exactt | i am stuck at: proxy = bus.get_object("org.openmoko.Dialer", "/org/openmoko/Dialer") |
| 18:12.36 | exactt | obviously "org.openmoko.Dialer" became "org.freesmartphone.Phone" |
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| 18:13.02 | exactt | but i am stuck with the second part... just reading http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/api/ |
| 18:13.15 | lindi- | hmm |
| 18:14.31 | exactt | am i right that teh second argument is the "object_path"? |
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| 18:15.45 | exactt | or **kwargs |
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| 18:16.29 | henkie_ | getting a gps fix seems to be harder with some images |
| 18:17.33 | Docscrutinizer2 | with some kernels, yes |
| 18:18.49 | henkie_ | ah |
| 18:18.53 | henkie_ | using http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels |
| 18:18.54 | henkie_ | currently |
| 18:19.13 | mwester | FSO keeps state across power downs, so it is much faster to aquire signal than other images (all other images, AFAIK, do a cold-start of the GPS with each power-up or resume from suspend. |
| 18:19.34 | mwester | That kernel has the software SD card fix for the GPS. |
| 18:19.54 | henkie_ | hmm, after 30 mins still nothing |
| 18:20.19 | henkie_ | i do use it from behind a window. but it has succeeded earlier |
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| 18:20.49 | Docscrutinizer2 | depends on "luck" |
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| 18:21.09 | Docscrutinizer2 | position of sats |
| 18:21.20 | Docscrutinizer2 | weather... |
| 18:21.21 | mwester | Well, different times make a difference then -- if you have limited your "view" of the sky, then the aquisition will also depend on the visibility of the sats in the field of "vision" |
| 18:21.55 | Dave | :D |
| 18:22.04 | henkie_ | i demand more sats! |
| 18:22.06 | henkie_ | :) |
| 18:22.11 | henkie_ | ahwell, time to run |
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| 18:23.40 | davi | The next OpenMoko mobile should have a bigger screen, as for example the T-mobile G1 |
| 18:23.58 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.11 | davi | T-mobile G1 is not :P |
| 18:25.32 | Tm_T | davi: I don't think you can make any difference saying that here (or atleast not by saying here only) |
| 18:26.39 | Kagee | If i want to create a QT-C++ application for 2008.8, where should i start? |
| 18:27.28 | Tm_T | Kagee: get Qtextended sdk for starters, I think |
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| 18:28.39 | davi | Tm_T, Could you let me know the OpenMoko pre-customer@mailing-list ? |
| 18:29.19 | Tm_T | davi: no idea |
| 18:29.25 | davi | thanks |
| 18:29.32 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.34 | Tm_T | you're welcome |
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| 18:29.58 | davi | I will not buy an OpenMoko up to it have a bigger screen, add a camera |
| 18:30.01 | davi | has* |
| 18:30.08 | Kagee | Tm_T, "Developer root filesystem for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02)" ? |
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| 18:30.55 | Tm_T | Kagee: mmmm no, I think there's some guides in openmoko wiki |
| 18:31.22 | Tm_T | davi: I cannot help you on that, 'cause I'm not making any desicions |
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| 18:33.22 | DocScrutinizer | there's no such thing like "FIC Neo Freerunner" |
| 18:33.42 | Tm_T | DocScrutinizer: how so? |
| 18:33.49 | DocScrutinizer | s/FIC // |
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| 18:34.26 | DocScrutinizer | not exactly what I meant, but maybe you get the picture ;-) |
| 18:34.39 | d-b | but there is a neo freerunning |
| 18:34.58 | DocScrutinizer | that's a Openmolo Neo FR, no FIC product |
| 18:35.07 | DocScrutinizer | moko |
| 18:35.27 | d-b | http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=TPIw3cv8Zls&feature=related |
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| 18:40.59 | quickdev | Ainulindale? Do you receive power button events in frameworkd? |
| 18:42.17 | baba_melone | Hi, does anybody know, how long the battery life of the freerunner is running qtextended/qtopia |
| 18:43.27 | Kagee | I'm trying to unmount /media/card, but «qpe», «mediaser» and «quicklaun» is using /media/card/qtopia_db.sqlite. Can i kill those prosesses? |
| 18:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | no, nobody does, as it always depends |
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| 18:44.41 | exactt | any DBUSers around? |
| 18:46.30 | quickdev | exactt, many ;) |
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| 18:47.46 | exactt | quickdev: been around at 20:10 CEST? 37minutes ago? |
| 18:49.09 | quickdev | don't think so |
| 18:49.31 | exactt | exactt: i am a total python newbie... |
| 18:49.32 | exactt | (20:10:59) LetoTo [n=paul@bas13-ottawa23-1177956459.dsl.bell.ca] hat den Raum betreten. |
| 18:49.32 | exactt | (20:11:05) exactt: didn't more than a hello world yet... |
| 18:49.32 | exactt | (20:11:53) exactt: i am stuck at: proxy = bus.get_object("org.openmoko.Dialer", "/org/openmoko/Dialer") |
| 18:49.32 | exactt | (20:12:36) exactt: obviously "org.openmoko.Dialer" became "org.freesmartphone.Phone" |
| 18:49.32 | exactt | (20:12:52) mazzen [n=mortel@pcp-35.wi-inf.uni-essen.de] hat den Raum betreten. |
| 18:49.34 | exactt | (20:13:02) exactt: but i am stuck with the second part... just reading http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/api/ |
| 18:49.37 | exactt | (20:13:15) lindi-: hmm |
| 18:49.39 | exactt | (20:14:31) exactt: am i right that teh second argument is the "object_path"? |
| 18:49.57 | exactt | trying to get the python example here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dbus working |
| 18:50.54 | exactt | how can i find out the porper value for the object path? |
| 18:51.36 | exactt | ahh. hang on... |
| 18:53.29 | quickdev | exactt, next time pastebin |
| 18:53.49 | exactt | ok thx... also an IRC newbie... |
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| 18:55.21 | quickdev | exactt, play with mdbus, execute it with the -s option...then append a string shown...and append the next one etc...till you've got your complete call, it's quite intuitive |
| 18:55.42 | exactt | ok will try that |
| 18:56.31 | exactt | sweet :-D |
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| 19:00.21 | Kagee | What are the diffences on opkg and ipkg ? |
| 19:01.04 | Tm_T | opkg is upgraded version of ipkg |
| 19:02.02 | Kagee | I installed som python packages to card using this : wiki/Package_management |
| 19:02.13 | Kagee | it keeps using ipkg :-S |
| 19:02.28 | Kagee | are there any opkt-utils? |
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| 19:05.14 | timur | hey guys, when the 2008.9 is "locked" what does it disable? does it affect any background processes or connections? |
| 19:05.32 | exactt | quickdev: i tried: mdbus org.freesmartphone.ophoned /org/freesmartphone/Phone CreateCall "089420955344" |
| 19:05.44 | exactt | but i get: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed. |
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| 19:07.23 | quickdev | exactt, I think you have to use mdbus with -s option on every call |
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| 19:08.11 | exactt | it returns "/org/freesmartphone/Phone/Test/089xxx" but nothing happens.. |
| 19:09.30 | quickdev | exactt, http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/index.html;hb=HEAD |
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| 19:12.32 | exactt | quickdev: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ophoned /org/freesmartphone/Phone CreateCall '089xxx' 'GSM' true ??? called InitProtocols first. still nothing... |
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| 19:15.26 | quickdev | exactt, I have only worked with GSM interfaces yet |
| 19:15.33 | mickey|sofa | try using the GSM interface first |
| 19:15.39 | mickey|sofa | phone is an abstraction higher |
| 19:15.48 | mickey|sofa | and not yet complete (VoIP support et. al.) |
| 19:16.27 | exactt | ok i give it a try... |
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| 19:16.35 | exactt | thx a lot so far |
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| 19:19.45 | quickdev | mickey|sofa, I don't get any key events. Is that a kernel issue? |
| 19:20.12 | mickey|sofa | sounds like it |
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| 19:21.01 | mickey|sofa | open the device nodes to check |
| 19:21.03 | mickey|sofa | bbl |
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| 19:22.13 | mwester | uh-oh -- which key events? ONKEYF and ONKEYR ? |
| 19:22.38 | quickdev | aux and power |
| 19:22.58 | mwester | which kernel? |
| 19:23.17 | quickdev | Version: 2.6.24+r8+gitrf5b973489beb1a1239dfad53e3ad6e36ff7ee958-r8 |
| 19:24.14 | mwester | curses all who confuse configuration management, version control, and release management. |
| 19:24.54 | quickdev | so it's an outdated one? |
| 19:26.09 | mwester | Don't know. I have to go to the git history to match up that id with anything meaningful. |
| 19:26.23 | mickey|sofa | fwiw, check whether anyone has a GRAB on the events |
| 19:26.25 | mwester | (I commited a change that messed with the key events) |
| 19:26.46 | mickey|sofa | works fine here w/ 2.6.24+r8+gitr7+35d910f40ce2c7c959edfbaa671f88e8da5fa6b1-r8 - |
| 19:26.56 | quickdev | mickey|sofa, how do I read from /dev/input/event* ? |
| 19:27.03 | mickey|sofa | it's unix... |
| 19:27.06 | mickey|sofa | "cat" |
| 19:27.31 | mickey|sofa | or hexdump, if you prefer readable :) |
| 19:27.40 | mickey|sofa | really need to spend time w/ wifey now |
| 19:27.45 | quickdev | I tried that...much binary rubbish |
| 19:27.45 | mickey|sofa | good speed |
| 19:27.56 | quickdev | a, it was the accelerator :) |
| 19:27.59 | mwester | Ok, that kernel is recent, but does not have the code I added to consume key events. |
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| 19:53.55 | Xaseron | is there an german channel? |
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| 19:57.54 | ieatlint | Xaseron, #neo1973-germany |
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| 20:11.51 | Dave | #openmoko-reich |
| 20:12.10 | SpeedEvil | A release every thousand years? |
| 20:12.19 | Wonka | rofl |
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| 20:14.13 | kirun | A DNF gag would be too easy at this point |
| 20:15.30 | noaXess | hi all |
| 20:15.52 | noaXess | i got right today my freerunner wth om2008.8 and upgraded it successfully.. |
| 20:16.05 | noaXess | no setting up the timzone.. but can't found one für switzerland/zurich |
| 20:16.20 | noaXess | is there any way to add this tz to om? |
| 20:19.00 | noaXess | or should i use /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/GMT+1 |
| 20:20.25 | timur | what's the name of the module that provides the nat table? |
| 20:22.46 | timur | never mind :) |
| 20:24.47 | noaXess | iptables, route |
| 20:24.49 | noaXess | ? |
| 20:25.00 | noaXess | you really mean network adress table? |
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| 20:26.00 | timur | i meant the kernel module that provides the support for the MASQUERADE target and the table in netfilter |
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| 20:26.25 | noaXess | aha |
| 20:26.35 | timur | but it turned out to be a moot point because i forgot to compile it anyway |
| 20:26.37 | noaXess | on't no |
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| 20:26.43 | noaXess | don't ^ |
| 20:26.43 | Gromgull | I appear to have made my 2008.09 stop booting... it just stays at "Loading system..." any way I can get a rescue shell? |
| 20:27.10 | timur | don't what? |
| 20:27.33 | noaXess | don't know the name of the nat kernel modul :) |
| 20:27.34 | SpeedEvil | Gromgull: reflash? |
| 20:27.37 | timur | Gromgull, maybe just reflash it? |
| 20:27.38 | timur | heh |
| 20:27.50 | Gromgull | I've done quite a few things to the image - I would rather not reflash it now |
| 20:27.57 | Gromgull | assuming there is another way? |
| 20:28.09 | SpeedEvil | boot from SD |
| 20:28.39 | timur | you could copy the fs and then set it up through loopback on your computer and mess with it... |
| 20:29.20 | lindi- | jffs2 via mtdram? |
| 20:29.21 | noaXess | where to define, that my eth0 will automaticcaly connect to my wlan if i reboot my neo?.. in the moment i need to do that manually over the om terminal |
| 20:29.22 | Gromgull | booting from sd could be a plan... |
| 20:29.26 | topro | hi there, gromgull: semms like I am experiencing similar problems since today morning testing upgrade |
| 20:29.39 | Gromgull | timur: how would I copy the system when it wont boot? |
| 20:29.45 | timur | uboot |
| 20:29.47 | Gromgull | can dfs-util reverse-flash? |
| 20:29.50 | topro | did not find a soloution yet |
| 20:31.42 | timur | Gromgull, --upload - upload from the DFU device into the given file[name]. |
| 20:31.48 | timur | sounds like something you want |
| 20:31.50 | Wonka | hrmf. could the debian people please package e17 and illume for debian-armel? |
| 20:31.56 | timur | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util |
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| 20:34.23 | topro | anyone here running om-testing repository? |
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| 20:36.34 | Wonka | http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-36127-2.html |
| 20:36.44 | Wonka | "shit and water resistant" |
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| 20:51.45 | noaXess | wow.. my home is gone.. |
| 20:52.06 | noaXess | i can see only the little apps on top right, wlan, bt, gsm and bat |
| 20:52.08 | noaXess | :( |
| 20:53.43 | SpeedEvil | Are the GTA01/2 batteries physically identical? |
| 20:54.36 | SpeedEvil | is considering an external charger. |
| 20:57.30 | toggles_w | recommends echo 500 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/force_usb_limit_dangerous |
| 20:59.18 | [Rui] | has anyone already tried raster's new image? |
| 20:59.27 | [Rui] | http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/Freerunner/2008-10-12/ |
| 20:59.34 | toggles_w | yes |
| 20:59.38 | toggles_w | it's pretty |
| 20:59.39 | noaXess | wow i think i killed openmoko-today |
| 20:59.52 | noaXess | if i want start it over ssh.. then some error |
| 20:59.53 | noaXess | s |
| 20:59.57 | [Rui] | toggles_w: yes, I would hardly believe it otherwise.... but doesn it make/receive calls? |
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| 21:00.06 | noaXess | Failed to get dbus connection: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session...... |
| 21:00.10 | noaXess | any idea? |
| 21:00.49 | noaXess | what i have done: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards_on_OM_2007.2#What_does_the_keyboard_look_like.3F |
| 21:00.57 | noaXess | an then rebooted.. |
| 21:01.10 | noaXess | can that be the problem? |
| 21:01.18 | toggles_w | [Rui]: no |
| 21:01.44 | noaXess | (openmoko-today:1546): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_icon_theme_load_icon: assertion `GTK_IS_ICON_THEME (icon_theme)' failed |
| 21:02.03 | [Rui] | toggles_w: darn :( |
| 21:02.24 | toggles_w | apparently there is a way to do it, but i haven't looked hard enough at figureing it out |
| 21:02.54 | [Rui] | toggles_w: well, thanks... you saved a couple of writes to my NAND :) |
| 21:03.42 | Gromgull | topro: did you also have some issue with libglib-2.somethign when updating? |
| 21:03.58 | toggles_w | [Rui]: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-October/032571.html |
| 21:04.43 | topro | gromgull: actually.. yes there were sme packages which could not be updated because they contained files provided by other packages |
| 21:04.54 | topro | I think it had something to do with libc |
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| 21:05.50 | Gromgull | And you left it unresolved? I -force removed the glib package, but forgot to readd it again later... doh! |
| 21:06.23 | [Rui] | toggles_w: I did that with the previous image, but it didn't work (no sound) |
| 21:06.27 | topro | yes, I left it unresolved so the packages didn't get upgraded |
| 21:06.42 | [Rui] | toggles_w: I'd make a call, and nothing... I didn't hear and the other side didn't either |
| 21:06.44 | toggles_w | [Rui]: how did you do it? |
| 21:07.00 | topro | now it boots the kernel, starts the splash screnn, than hangs without green bar moving around |
| 21:07.05 | [Rui] | toggles_w: opkg install frameworkd zhone |
| 21:07.14 | toggles_w | that didn't work for me |
| 21:07.21 | toggles_w | dammit, what repo? |
| 21:07.29 | toggles_w | i will try it out again when i get home |
| 21:07.59 | [Rui] | toggles_w: the fso repo |
| 21:09.03 | toggles_w | [Rui]: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-unstable |
| 21:10.22 | [Rui] | maybe |
| 21:10.35 | [Rui] | I think so, yeah |
| 21:10.39 | toggles_w | [Rui]: ;-) |
| 21:10.45 | toggles_w | [Rui]:thanks mate, i'll try again |
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| 21:11.51 | topro | gonna leave now, maybe check back when I had some time to investigate tomorrow |
| 21:11.53 | topro | cu |
| 21:11.57 | [Rui] | yeah well... what the hell let's try it again, sam... |
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| 21:16.18 | noaXess | can someone help |
| 21:16.27 | noaXess | i get this if i start openmoko-today: (openmoko-today:1598): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_icon_theme_load_icon: assertion `GTK_IS_ICON_THEME (icon_theme)' failed |
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| 21:16.49 | noaXess | ** (openmoko-today:1598): WARNING **: Failed to get dbus connection: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch requested, but X11 support not compiled in. Cannot continue. |
| 21:17.55 | [Rui] | noaXess: are you launching from SSH? |
| 21:18.15 | noaXess | [Rui]: yes.. |
| 21:18.33 | [Rui] | did you first do export DISPLAY=:0 before? |
| 21:18.34 | noaXess | if i restart xserver-nodm can't get openmoko-today |
| 21:18.39 | noaXess | no |
| 21:19.12 | noaXess | [Rui]: same problem.. |
| 21:19.26 | noaXess | also if i do the export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 21:20.59 | mwester | SpeedEvil: The two batteries have identical form factors, and can both be charged by a Nokia blc5 charger. |
| 21:21.24 | noaXess | [Rui]: i found this.. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/buglog/2008-March/008081.html |
| 21:21.24 | SpeedEvil | K |
| 21:25.48 | [Rui] | well, against my better judgement I tried it |
| 21:26.04 | [Rui] | usb0 isn't set up| |
| 21:26.06 | [Rui] | ! |
| 21:26.40 | noaXess | [Rui]: usb0 is down.. i connect over wifi to ssh |
| 21:26.54 | noaXess | but, does this have to do with openmoko-today? |
| 21:27.24 | [Rui] | noaXess: you like to have your phone rooted? |
| 21:27.44 | noaXess | [Rui]: rooted? don't understand? |
| 21:27.51 | noaXess | ssh root@ip |
| 21:28.08 | SpeedEvil | We need to get more users. |
| 21:28.31 | [Rui] | noaXess: attacked by people with bad intentions |
| 21:28.53 | noaXess | [Rui]: i'm setting up it and then i will close all what i can do.. no problem in the moment.. |
| 21:28.57 | noaXess | just testing around |
| 21:29.50 | noaXess | [Rui]: should usb0 be up and configured default that openmoko-today can run? |
| 21:30.50 | [Rui] | noaXess: don't see why it would affect |
| 21:30.57 | noaXess | ok, me too. |
| 21:31.12 | noaXess | [Rui]: now why won't my om-today wnat run |
| 21:31.23 | noaXess | just a hint? |
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| 21:32.07 | noaXess | the matchbox-window-manager is running like this: matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar yes -use_desktop_mode decorated -theme Moko -use_cursor no |
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| 21:33.14 | noaXess | what i have don is "opkg remove -force-depends multitap-pad" to install the matchkox-keyboard-inputmethod.. |
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| 21:33.36 | noaXess | can it be, that the remove command -force-depends has something removed that will be used for om-today? |
| 21:35.23 | noaXess | no have just removed the matchbox-keaboard-* and reinstalled multitap-pad |
| 21:35.23 | noaXess | but no change |
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| 21:37.47 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * r7cef687754b8 10/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): |
| 21:37.47 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Implemented Device.Audio. |
| 21:37.47 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: TODO : |
| 21:37.47 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: - Implement methods : GetSupportedFormats, GetAvailableScenarios (which should be scenarii), PlaySound, StopSound, StopAllSounds, GetScenario. |
| 21:37.50 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: - Implement a handler for SoundStatus signal in FrameworkdHandlers |
| 21:37.52 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * ra2e6cb5d1788 10/src/odeviced/ (2 files): Merge ssh://git@git.freesmartphone.org/libframeworkd-glib |
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| 21:48.04 | [Rui] | well, what do you know... opkg install frameworkd zhone and now zhone won't even connect to dbus... well... let's try restarting X |
| 21:49.15 | [Rui] | nothing... reboot now |
| 21:49.26 | noaXess | [Rui]: ?? to me? |
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| 21:51.26 | timur | hey guys, has anyone tried using any of the jvms available? any suggestions on which one to use |
| 21:51.26 | timur | ? |
| 21:51.39 | timur | hopefully something not buggy |
| 21:51.46 | Wonka | are there newer FSO images than MS3? |
| 21:52.04 | lindi- | timur: what do you intend to run with it? |
| 21:52.44 | [Rui] | ah... reboot seems to have helped |
| 21:52.58 | timur | lindi-, i'm gonna be writing a simple program that retrieves a media file from the internet and then outputs the bits to stdout, so i can play it with mplayer |
| 21:52.59 | noaXess | somone can help.. i can't run openmoko-today.. |
| 21:52.59 | [Rui] | now it's requesting the gsm resource... |
| 21:53.58 | lindi- | timur: ah and you want to write it in java? |
| 21:54.12 | timur | yea... so as not to muck about with cross compiling |
| 21:54.26 | lindi- | timur: python could be option too |
| 21:54.40 | [Rui] | U"#&/%"#&/%"#& bI just wasted a few ¢ no sound :( |
| 21:54.56 | timur | lindi-, you're right... sadly, i'm delegating this task to someone who doesn't want to learn python |
| 21:55.18 | timur | any suggestions with the VM? I used jamvm before and it worked pretty well, aside from a bug in toString |
| 21:55.32 | timur | i guess i'll go with it for now, since it's pretty small |
| 21:55.33 | lindi- | timur: jamvm with gnu classpath |
| 21:55.44 | lindi- | timur: so the bug is in gnu classpath, not jamvm |
| 21:56.01 | timur | lindi-, yea, fair enough |
| 21:56.37 | lindi- | timur: openjdk-6-jre is always an option |
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| 21:57.00 | lindi- | and gcj with gnu classpath too |
| 21:57.09 | timur | lindi-, i think i'll give jamvm a shot. trying another vm shouldn't be a big deal |
| 21:57.43 | timur | thanks |
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| 22:00.59 | jones_ | could some give me the kill command for the installer app off hand |
| 22:01.13 | [Rui] | "&%#&%"# no fscking sound at all, even fiddling with alsamixer |
| 22:01.21 | timur | err, kill -9 pid, where pid is the pid? |
| 22:01.33 | timur | or use killall with the name of the thing |
| 22:01.52 | jones_ | yeah, but whats the name of the install app |
| 22:02.04 | lindi- | kill -9 is a bad idea |
| 22:02.27 | jones_ | its alright ive got it |
| 22:02.37 | timur | hehe ps helps with those things :) |
| 22:02.49 | jones_ | thanks |
| 22:03.05 | noaXess | if i start openmoko-today i get some errors and this: GConf Error: No D-BUS daemon running |
| 22:03.09 | timur | yea, kill -9 is a bit drastic, but does the installer app have state that has to be saved? |
| 22:03.20 | noaXess | any idea to fix this? |
| 22:04.08 | noaXess | a ps ax | grep dbus gives me 8 lines of running dbus deamons |
| 22:04.14 | noaXess | daemons ^ |
| 22:06.05 | noaXess | no help, hint tip? |
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| 22:13.23 | [Rui] | CRINGE white screen of death with just a couple of minutes of idle on raster's new image |
| 22:13.33 | [Rui] | that does it... back to Om2008.9 :) |
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| 22:15.21 | ljp | waits for another flash to finish |
| 22:15.38 | [Rui] | on http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ ... how (if I should) do I install gta02v5_and_up-lowlevel.bin ? |
| 22:17.30 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * rc079416582d0 10/src/odeviced/frameworkd-glib-odeviced-powersupply.h: |
| 22:17.30 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Followed odeviced PowerSupply "lowercasing". |
| 22:17.30 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: TODO : Listen to quickdev for a bit and do this g_error thing on unknown constants. |
| 22:18.14 | jones_ | im trying an opkg update, and im getting sig check failed |
| 22:18.22 | jones_ | for all repos |
| 22:18.33 | Ainulind1le | That's normal |
| 22:18.42 | Ainulind1le | Packages are still updated |
| 22:18.46 | jones_ | ah okay |
| 22:18.52 | Ainulind1le | (Package definition I mean) |
| 22:23.09 | noaXess | i need help, info: openmoko-today can't run: http://pastebin.com/d4bef338d |
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| 22:23.47 | noaXess | i treid the "gconf problem" on bottom of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2 but no way |
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| 22:32.38 | noaXess | just all are sleeping? :) |
| 22:33.13 | jones_ | i dont have any packages available to me |
| 22:33.18 | jones_ | om2008.9 btw |
| 22:33.20 | [Rui] | damn it, I don't think daily boots either :( |
| 22:33.34 | [Rui] | jones_: did you do opkg update ? |
| 22:33.38 | jones_ | yeah |
| 22:33.54 | [Rui] | jones_: sure you got internet access from the phone? |
| 22:33.57 | jones_ | list and list_installed both give 656, so theres none available |
| 22:34.10 | jones_ | i can ping google |
| 22:34.13 | timur | jones_, did you check if your repos are correct? |
| 22:34.17 | timur | for opkg |
| 22:34.35 | jones_ | i did fiddle last time.... |
| 22:34.44 | noaXess | can't nobody help? |
| 22:34.47 | jones_ | but updating worked, save from sig file failure |
| 22:35.35 | [Rui] | jones_: that's weird |
| 22:35.48 | timur | hrm you sure it downloaded packages.gz for each? |
| 22:36.56 | jones_ | its not complaining |
| 22:37.46 | noaXess | i can't run openmoko-dates too.. over ssh with first export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 22:37.49 | noaXess | same error |
| 22:38.35 | noaXess | something is wrong with my d-bus daemon |
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| 22:40.52 | jones_ | it might be a curl thing |
| 22:40.58 | jones_ | ill try it from my laptop |
| 22:41.11 | noaXess | :( i will be ignored.. even no: "sorry no idea" :( |
| 22:41.58 | jones_ | sorry i have no idea noaXess |
| 22:42.38 | noaXess | thanks for response :) |
| 22:42.48 | noaXess | but i thing i found my problem.. bad. thing |
| 22:43.14 | noaXess | i have done ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Zurich /etc/timezone instead of ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Zurich /etc/localtime |
| 22:43.15 | noaXess | bad |
| 22:43.27 | noaXess | where can i get the file/etc/timezone?? |
| 22:43.33 | noaXess | its a fresh install |
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| 22:45.52 | noaXess | or what is the content of /etc/timezone? |
| 22:46.13 | jones_ | what are the repos i should have define |
| 22:46.14 | jones_ | d |
| 22:47.05 | noaXess | i got it back my openmoko-today.. uff |
| 22:47.49 | Wonka | fdom is, like, very fat. |
| 22:48.11 | Wonka | duke3d produces a mass of ugly and loud sounds and then crashes... |
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| 22:50.33 | [Rui] | noaXess: I'm reinstalling Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.rootfs.jffs2 so let's talk again in a few minutes :) |
| 22:51.13 | noaXess | [Rui]: no my problem is solved.. my fault.. i have overwritten /etc/timezone instead of a link for /etc/localtime.. tztz :) |
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| 22:55.24 | sicu | Wonka: made sure accelerometers are on? |
| 22:55.34 | sicu | Wonka: hexdump /dev/input/event{2,3} |
| 22:56.45 | [Rui] | noaXess: ah |
| 22:57.06 | [Rui] | sicu: I've noticed that the accelerometers' aren't trustworthy |
| 22:57.16 | noaXess | [Rui]: but thans for response. |
| 22:57.18 | [Rui] | driver problem or just that they're a piece of garbage? |
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| 22:58.39 | [Rui] | noaXess: well, it's installing anyway since I need a working phone :) |
| 22:59.09 | jones_ | id like wifi on my phone, and something to use the bluetooth |
| 22:59.21 | jones_ | but right now the uni network presents challenegs |
| 23:00.06 | sicu | [Rui]: not sure, they work fine after a fresh restart ..... well, at least for a while anyways :/ |
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| 23:00.26 | jones_ | what do you use them for? |
| 23:01.18 | [Rui] | sicu: maybe a driver problema |
| 23:01.23 | noaXess | can there be any problem, if i set a root password? i'm new in om :) |
| 23:01.37 | sicu | jones_: well, they can be used for countless things, in this case they are used to move around in duke nukem 3d by tilting the FR in the direction you want to move |
| 23:01.44 | [Rui] | sicu: but before this new weird behaviour, cjb's and mine versions of rotate blocked after a while |
| 23:02.24 | [Rui] | ok step no1, pay attention to boot, so I can disable suspend ;) |
| 23:02.39 | sicu | [Rui]: that's probably down to the same issue, as they both rely on accelerometers being functional :/ |
| 23:03.23 | sicu | will have to look into it when i have more time next week i think |
| 23:03.23 | [Rui] | sicu: yeah, what I meant is that I don't believe it's a problem with software that reads from them :) |
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| 23:04.33 | pooze | I'd like some help from some git knowledable people in here if possible. |
| 23:04.47 | pooze | I'm trying to get some branch off of the u-boot git-repository |
| 23:05.05 | sicu | [Rui]: ah, gotcha ... you're probably right, seeing as all the software i have tested so far that relies heavily on accelerometers seem to crash&burn after a while :/ |
| 23:05.28 | pooze | and I'm wondering how to do that exactly. |
| 23:06.09 | sicu | pooze: you might have more luck taking your query into: #openmoko-cdevel |
| 23:06.22 | pooze | ok, thanks. |
| 23:06.53 | sicu | it is getting late though, so kinda depends who's still awake |
| 23:07.34 | jones_ | updated twice and im still not seeing any packages |
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| 23:07.51 | pooze | most developers are europeans? |
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| 23:10.55 | ljp | and crazy |
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| 23:16.18 | pooze | ok, another question then... my freerunner doesn't boot up anymore after todays upgrade on 2008.9 testing. But I'd like to copy my phonebook entries. |
| 23:16.22 | pooze | how could I do that? |
| 23:16.46 | pooze | obviously I can't just wait for updates packages to fix the problem, since I can't get to the point of actually trying to upgrade. |
| 23:16.59 | pooze | it stops before usb-networking is activated |
| 23:17.20 | raster | go into uboot |
| 23:17.25 | pooze | and there seems to be a bug in the uboot that prevents be from uploading the root-filesystem to my local machine. |
| 23:17.32 | raster | and use dfu-util to upload the rootfs jffs2 image |
| 23:17.43 | raster | them convert jffs2 to a working filesystem |
| 23:17.54 | raster | then |
| 23:17.58 | raster | you're stuffed |
| 23:18.00 | raster | :) |
| 23:18.00 | pooze | there is a fix to the uboot however, but I'm very unfamiliar with git, so I don't seem to manage to get the right branch |
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| 23:18.31 | raster | u could try an alternate image on sd-card |
| 23:18.33 | Docscrutinizer2 | raster: moin |
| 23:18.35 | raster | boot that from uboot |
| 23:18.39 | pooze | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.42 | raster | and mount rootfs flash from there |
| 23:18.53 | raster | Docscrutinizer2: moo! |
| 23:19.31 | mmontour | pooze: try something like "git checkout zecke" after you've cloned the repository |
| 23:19.48 | pooze | raster: I was pondering on that, but reading the wiki I found that I needed to fdisk and format partitions on the sd-card in order to put anything there |
| 23:19.57 | pooze | which in turn means I need a working freerunner... unfortunately |
| 23:20.14 | raster | pooze: u can dsik it from your desktop |
| 23:20.23 | raster | err |
| 23:20.24 | raster | fdisk |
| 23:20.40 | raster | (or laptop) |
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| 23:20.50 | raster | assuming u have a micro-sd to sd card adapter with you |
| 23:20.57 | pooze | I'd love to.. if I get my hands on a computer with an sd-slot |
| 23:20.57 | raster | or a microsd-slot on your lap/desk |
| 23:21.06 | raster | and u have a desktop/laptop... |
| 23:21.11 | raster | aaah |
| 23:21.25 | raster | so u'll need to get your hands on one that |
| 23:21.27 | raster | then |
| 23:21.29 | pooze | mmontour: "git checkout zecke" reports no file with name zecke found. |
| 23:21.35 | raster | i know i'm drowining in sd/cf slots |
| 23:21.40 | raster | lappy has one |
| 23:21.43 | raster | monitor has one |
| 23:21.52 | raster | sd card reader in a drawer somewhere |
| 23:21.58 | [Rui] | raster: hi there, do you know your image triggers the WSoD just with a dimmed screen? |
| 23:21.59 | raster | another laptop has one |
| 23:22.09 | raster | my n800 has 2 of them i can use |
| 23:22.11 | pooze | raster: :) I'll have a look at work tomorrow if I can find one. |
| 23:22.23 | raster | zaurus has one i can use... treo650 has one... |
| 23:22.30 | raster | i'd be amazed u dont have one smoewhere |
| 23:22.42 | raster | [Rui]: doesnt happen to me. |
| 23:22.53 | raster | [Rui]: :) |
| 23:23.03 | [Rui] | raster: well, I had flasshed the 10-02 rootfs and uImage you provided |
| 23:23.19 | [Rui] | raster: other than that, I only installed frameworkd and zhone |
| 23:24.07 | raster | [Rui]: the wsod seems to affect some people with some phones |
| 23:24.08 | [Rui] | raster: I did point to the unstable fso feeds, but I didn't upgrade the system. |
| 23:24.08 | raster | and not others |
| 23:24.32 | raster | i know i've not seen it |
| 23:25.27 | avtobiff | hi there. i recently bought a freerunner. i have one main issue with... telephone calls. 1) the speaker and microphone goes completely dead after a while, how do i fix this? 2) when the microphone (and speaker) works the volume on the mic is very low. how do i raise the mic volume? (i took a quick peek at alsamixer and i didn't feel comfortable with those tens of devices there) |
| 23:25.28 | [Rui] | raster: whithin the same hardware revision? |
| 23:25.32 | Docscrutinizer2 | raster: sure U r using 02? ;-) |
| 23:26.09 | Docscrutinizer2 | raster: U know: glamo |
| 23:26.35 | mmontour | pooze: did you first clone the repository with "git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/u-boot.git"? |
| 23:26.37 | raster | [Rui]: i have 2 fr's |
| 23:27.02 | [Rui] | raster: yeah... I saw your "gang" :) |
| 23:27.29 | Docscrutinizer2 | avtobiff: 10s? 100s! |
| 23:27.38 | raster | one was a production model |
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| 23:27.44 | raster | so i think a06 |
| 23:27.50 | raster | the other - same but untested |
| 23:27.53 | avtobiff | Docscrutinizer2, sorry? |
| 23:28.01 | raster | ie not production but ":unknown if everythign works" |
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| 23:28.07 | raster | but everything does (seem) to work |
| 23:28.19 | raster | not soing to go open up the cases to get the board id's |
| 23:28.20 | raster | :) |
| 23:28.23 | raster | but i think a06's |
| 23:28.27 | Docscrutinizer2 | alsamixer |
| 23:28.48 | avtobiff | Docscrutinizer2, ? |
| 23:29.19 | raster | ssh in |
| 23:29.24 | raster | and run alsamixer |
| 23:29.27 | Docscrutinizer2 | alsamixer has >90 controls |
| 23:29.43 | raster | one of those somewhere will change mic volume |
| 23:29.44 | raster | :) |
| 23:29.49 | [Rui] | raster: btw, speaking of your image... when you can, either increase the top bar so the clock is bigger or make it "digital" :) |
| 23:29.56 | avtobiff | there are at least four that are named "Mic" |
| 23:30.00 | [Rui] | raster: I can read pointers very well, if I can see them :) |
| 23:30.32 | raster | [Rui]: i have increased size |
| 23:30.38 | raster | that was the size sean insisted on for asu |
| 23:30.42 | raster | its too small imho |
| 23:30.49 | raster | i've already upped it in upsteram source |
| 23:31.08 | [Rui] | raster: 2008.9's font size is good, readable |
| 23:31.18 | raster | along with havign removed the list of apps and now gone to 3 button mode |
| 23:31.26 | [Rui] | raster: but the clock pointers... I can't tell the time with a glance I have to really concentrate |
| 23:31.36 | [Rui] | raster: sweet |
| 23:31.36 | noaXess | does the neo have a vibrator as phone signal? |
| 23:31.37 | raster | its just e17's clock theme |
| 23:31.44 | raster | i havent done anything special for fr for it |
| 23:32.21 | raster | noaXess: yes. you can get your jollies. :) |
| 23:32.30 | noaXess | :) |
| 23:32.41 | noaXess | an is it enabled default for messages an ring? |
| 23:32.48 | raster | nfi |
| 23:32.54 | noaXess | nfi? |
| 23:33.05 | raster | no f**king idea |
| 23:33.15 | noaXess | ok |
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| 23:34.49 | Docscrutinizer2 | noaXess: vibrator has to be handled by userland phone app |
| 23:35.26 | raster | buzzes @ Docscrutinizer2 |
| 23:36.08 | Docscrutinizer2 | noaXess: more generally, by the task that starts audio signal as well |
| 23:36.45 | Docscrutinizer2 | raster: why? wrong? |
| 23:37.05 | noaXess | Docscrutinizer2: ok |
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| 23:38.55 | [Rui] | is Louis Montagne or Alexandre Solleiro around? |
| 23:39.01 | Docscrutinizer2 | so I'd guess there should be some signaling daemon |
| 23:40.31 | [Rui] | great, finished all my activities for restoring an usable phone, news experiences only on the weekend :) |
| 23:40.32 | Docscrutinizer2 | ...which in turn asks profile-daemon about ringtone, volume, and vibrator |
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| 23:43.21 | noaXess | Docscrutinizer2: is the userland app available for om2008.8? |
| 23:44.11 | [Rui] | btw, anyone knows how the address book sorts? |
| 23:44.17 | [Rui] | It seems quite random, ro me |
| 23:44.18 | [Rui] | to me |
| 23:45.03 | Docscrutinizer2 | noaXess: no idea of 2008 |
| 23:45.10 | cjb | [Rui]: insertion order? |
| 23:46.03 | [Rui] | cjb: no way... only like that??? |
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| 23:47.09 | cjb | [Rui]: patches welcome, I'm sure |
| 23:47.11 | [Rui] | and it seems that "echo 'EnableFindBar=1' >> /home/root/.config/Trolltech/Contacts.conf" doesn't work anymore.. :( |
| 23:48.10 | noaXess | how can i activate the qtopia qwerty keyboard? |
| 23:48.29 | [Rui] | cjb: but isn't qtopie here for ... like... years? |
| 23:48.31 | raster | Docscrutinizer2: no. just vibrating. :) |
| 23:49.04 | [Rui] | I'm not complaining... just amazed :) |
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| 23:51.22 | [Rui] | nite |
| 23:52.14 | noaXess | simple.. how can i see wich om version is on my neo?? |
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| 23:53.00 | Docscrutinizer2 | err, /etc/*version*? |
| 23:53.33 | noaXess | 200804240820 |
| 23:53.53 | noaXess | that is? om2008.8? or 2008.4 |
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| 23:59.36 | noaXess | hm i think i have just 2008.4.. need to upgrad to latest stable 2008.8 or 2008.9.. |
| 23:59.44 | noaXess | but.. now time to sleep :) |
| 23:59.47 | noaXess | bye all.. |