| 00:00.01 | DocScrutinizer | just missing a GSM module - thank god for OM ;-) |
| 00:00.17 | raster | DocScrutinizer: i want to build OE images for my n800 |
| 00:00.17 | DocScrutinizer | ahh I see |
| 00:00.17 | raster | DocScrutinizer: to add to my crew: |
| 00:00.18 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/index.php?page=News |
| 00:00.21 | raster | errr |
| 00:00.22 | Dave | If you put a Stopwatch app on your image or clock app, please, INCLUDE THE FUCKING MILLISECONDS! |
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| 00:00.35 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/the-gang-01.jpg |
| 00:00.50 | DocScrutinizer | so OE doen't support N800-wifi, that's the issue |
| 00:00.57 | Dave | I can't stand the fact that three of these images have "Stopwatch apps" that only displays seconds as the smallest unit - I'm like, what the fuck's the point? |
| 00:01.01 | Dave | :( |
| 00:01.06 | raster | Dave: i'm not adding a stopwatch app |
| 00:01.07 | raster | :) |
| 00:01.09 | Dave | heh |
| 00:01.11 | raster | not in my brief |
| 00:01.17 | Dave | I might sneak one in |
| 00:01.27 | Dave | it should be simple to code |
| 00:01.29 | raster | DocScrutinizer: the maemo distro does as it is not all open source |
| 00:01.33 | cjb_ie | maybe the OS isn't realtime enough to go smaller... |
| 00:01.34 | raster | they ship closed modules and binaries |
| 00:01.35 | Dave | unless it requires a flux capacitor here or there |
| 00:01.43 | raster | oe only builds from source |
| 00:01.45 | Dave | cjb, hahahaha |
| 00:01.49 | raster | (well ok u can hack it not to...) |
| 00:01.49 | DocScrutinizer | raster: yup, got it now |
| 00:01.51 | Dave | burn! |
| 00:02.15 | raster | i want to just be building the exact same image i build for everythgin else |
| 00:02.16 | raster | seamlessly |
| 00:02.23 | raster | and run it on the n800 |
| 00:02.25 | raster | i can do that |
| 00:02.32 | Dave | good |
| 00:02.33 | raster | but i'll get reduced functionality |
| 00:02.35 | raster | :( |
| 00:02.39 | Dave | not good |
| 00:02.44 | Dave | That's rather discouraging. |
| 00:02.54 | Dave | Yet, nevertheless, you will be dominating, nonetheless :) |
| 00:03.10 | raster | i also dont know if the oe kernel supports usbnet on the n800's usb interface |
| 00:03.15 | Dave | So, raster, should I build illume for my zire army? |
| 00:03.21 | raster | so i'll also lose my remote console for futzing about |
| 00:03.33 | raster | Dave: why not? |
| 00:03.42 | raster | Dave: its a painless thnig on my treo650 |
| 00:03.47 | raster | cocoboot is awesome |
| 00:03.47 | Dave | :D |
| 00:03.51 | Dave | Isn't it? |
| 00:03.54 | Dave | I was really impressed. |
| 00:03.56 | raster | palmos+cocoboot make for an asweome bootloader |
| 00:03.57 | DocScrutinizer | raster: there's schem for N8x0? |
| 00:04.00 | Dave | I thought the readme was lying to me. |
| 00:04.11 | Dave | it's literally pop and click |
| 00:04.15 | Dave | lock and load |
| 00:04.21 | raster | it takes about as long to bootplamos and run cocoboot and u-boot on the fr |
| 00:04.22 | raster | :) |
| 00:04.31 | Dave | heh |
| 00:04.31 | raster | yup |
| 00:04.35 | raster | it literally is just that |
| 00:04.40 | Dave | I know! |
| 00:04.41 | raster | once u set up the sd card with the coroboot.prc |
| 00:04.45 | Dave | exactly! |
| 00:04.56 | raster | and populate it with the cfg files for cocoboot |
| 00:04.59 | raster | and a kernel image |
| 00:05.05 | raster | parition for ext2 for linux |
| 00:05.05 | raster | boom |
| 00:05.18 | Dave | yeah I just copied and extracted the angstrom opie dist onto my card |
| 00:05.20 | raster | and u dont damage/endanger your palm data/os |
| 00:05.24 | raster | that stays safe |
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| 00:05.29 | Dave | safety is good |
| 00:05.36 | raster | DocScrutinizer: i've never seen one |
| 00:05.41 | Dave | I was always fearful of uboot corrupting my data on the freerunner |
| 00:05.52 | Dave | or something odd |
| 00:06.25 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: what is it u-boot could do to your data? |
| 00:06.52 | Dave | In the past, with multiple distros on one card, I heard that it corrupted stuff. |
| 00:07.08 | Dave | that, and there were apparently a couple bad uboot versions or something |
| 00:07.18 | Dave | Maybe that, or people were "modifying" they're uboot :p |
| 00:07.21 | Dave | heh |
| 00:12.16 | Dave | cute, it's fscking my partition :) |
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| 00:15.47 | Dave | silly networking issues |
| 00:17.07 | BobOfDoom | raster, Dave: glad you like Cocoboot. :) by the way you can make it even quicker by setting noprompt=1 in your conf. That'll make it boot as soon as you hit the icon. (But yeah, I need to fix that USB net problem on treo, having issues with my Palm OS toolchain atm ) |
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| 00:17.32 | Dave | Ah, I see :) |
| 00:17.50 | Dave | Thanks for the heads up. |
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| 00:20.37 | raster | BobOfDoom: yeah - i know.. but .. i wanted the usb console thats why imentioend getting usb console auto-enabled by cocoboot.. so i can do that |
| 00:20.37 | raster | :) |
| 00:20.54 | raster | and yes |
| 00:20.59 | raster | cocoboot is awesome |
| 00:21.07 | raster | if it had better docs... |
| 00:21.10 | raster | but hey |
| 00:21.17 | raster | its still better than uboot |
| 00:21.18 | raster | :) |
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| 00:23.08 | Dave | haha, totally |
| 00:24.03 | Dave | now, if only I could get usb working... |
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| 00:26.10 | BobOfDoom | Dave: do you get errors like this on host PC? |
| 00:26.12 | BobOfDoom | [94524.700149] usb 1-2: device descriptor read/64, error -62 |
| 00:26.13 | BobOfDoom | [94524.841875] usb 1-2: device descriptor read/64, error -62 |
| 00:26.17 | BobOfDoom | or just nothing? |
| 00:26.23 | Dave | haha, yeah I did |
| 00:26.25 | Dave | earlier today |
| 00:26.43 | Dave | but then I was able to get past that (I think) |
| 00:27.16 | Dave | I was getting plenty of those errors though |
| 00:27.25 | BobOfDoom | hmm |
| 00:27.31 | Dave | after futzing with the usb I was able to get it to register the device though |
| 00:27.42 | Dave | but I could never connect to it |
| 00:27.51 | Dave | or have the device connect to the pc correctly |
| 00:28.04 | BobOfDoom | that's odd |
| 00:28.11 | Dave | it didn't appear to be taking the IP I assigned to it, or it was lying to me. |
| 00:28.13 | BobOfDoom | so you mean you're gettting usb0 in ifconfig on both host and PC |
| 00:28.33 | BobOfDoom | but it's refusing the IP you give it? |
| 00:28.35 | Dave | no, usb0 on the device wouldn't function properly as far as I could tell |
| 00:28.38 | raster | Dave: what image? |
| 00:28.41 | Dave | so maybe it was fucked up |
| 00:28.54 | raster | i know that the palmt650 config wouldnt bring up usb0 on the device side by default |
| 00:29.05 | raster | i fixed that in my ow tree and patches |
| 00:29.09 | raster | err |
| 00:29.09 | raster | oe |
| 00:29.24 | raster | also i knwo i have to unplug and replug usb after linux boots to get it to work |
| 00:29.32 | raster | but then usb ethernet is fine |
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| 00:30.09 | Dave | oh, so all you had to do was manually bring it up, then reconnect the plug? |
| 00:31.16 | raster | yes |
| 00:31.22 | raster | so ifup usb0 on the device |
| 00:31.28 | raster | unplug |
| 00:31.29 | raster | replug |
| 00:31.31 | raster | ssh in |
| 00:31.39 | raster | (same as freerunenr or any OE built device) |
| 00:33.00 | Dave | yeah |
| 00:33.02 | Dave | I see :) |
| 00:33.13 | Dave | silliness, I should have known! |
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| 00:43.06 | Dave | damn, now I'm having problems ssh'ing in :| |
| 00:44.00 | xiangfu | what is the problems? |
| 00:44.37 | xiangfu | most problem about ssh , i think it's network problem:-) |
| 00:44.59 | Dave | no kidding |
| 00:45.08 | Dave | though this is on the palm, not the freerunner |
| 00:45.15 | Dave | though it's quite similar distribution :) |
| 00:45.23 | BobOfDoom | Dave: so it's responding to pings now, but no SSH? |
| 00:46.46 | Dave | right |
| 00:47.04 | Dave | both pc and device can ping each other, the routes are even correct |
| 00:47.18 | BobOfDoom | telenet device 22 |
| 00:47.20 | BobOfDoom | err |
| 00:47.21 | BobOfDoom | telnet* |
| 00:47.36 | BobOfDoom | see if you get the SSH handshake prompt |
| 00:47.39 | Dave | yeah it seems to connect (it's running dropbear) |
| 00:47.45 | Dave | yeah it connects but hangs with nothing happening |
| 00:47.45 | ljp | what does the route look like? |
| 00:47.56 | xiangfu | you mean you ssh the palm not freerunner? |
| 00:48.08 | Dave | xiangfu, that's what I'm trying to do, yes :) |
| 00:48.41 | BobOfDoom | maybe the dropbear setup is just broken |
| 00:48.47 | BobOfDoom | can you ssh to localhost on the device? |
| 00:49.35 | Dave | yes |
| 00:49.38 | Dave | :| |
| 00:49.52 | BobOfDoom | hmm |
| 00:50.01 | Dave | yeah, let me check the routing again -- though it seemed fine :P |
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| 00:56.46 | Dave | YES |
| 00:57.08 | Dave | Okay, I needed to change the default route in the conf, since every time the interface was brought up again it kept changing it back to an invalid net |
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| 01:01.49 | DaveZire | :D |
| 01:02.00 | DaveZire | woot :P |
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| 01:08.01 | BobOfDoom | DaveZire: hehe congrats :) |
| 01:08.47 | Dave | thanks |
| 01:08.59 | Dave | Apparently running Konqueror on it eats most of the cpu |
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| 01:17.11 | DaveZire | ping |
| 01:17.24 | techiem2-r | pong |
| 01:17.37 | raster | DaveZire: so.. finally.. zire up |
| 01:18.06 | Dave | pong |
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| 01:18.10 | Dave | raster, yep :) |
| 01:18.40 | raster | if u take my palmt650 changes |
| 01:18.43 | raster | and apply to zire |
| 01:18.51 | raster | for usbnet up on boot u'll b e better off |
| 01:18.56 | raster | feel free to send me patches |
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| 01:19.02 | raster | if u verify they work |
| 01:19.55 | Dave | yeah, I'm sure I will |
| 01:20.01 | Dave | Alright, I'll try to get to it Raster :) |
| 01:20.24 | Dave | More to add to your ever-expanding army :) |
| 01:21.32 | raster | hehehe |
| 01:21.52 | raster | well as such i am just maintaining patches inb my oe svn setup tree that i can test myself |
| 01:21.54 | raster | and be sure work |
| 01:22.00 | raster | or come from known soruces that know it to work |
| 01:23.20 | Dave | I hope I can become a trusted source ;) |
| 01:23.28 | Dave | after I build and test it |
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| 01:24.32 | raster | well do a full rebuild and test |
| 01:24.35 | raster | then let me look at it |
| 01:24.37 | raster | :) |
| 01:27.30 | Dave | Sure thing. |
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| 01:29.22 | DaveZire | the keyboard on this isn't too bad |
| 01:29.52 | DaveZire | though it's nothing like illume :) |
| 01:30.07 | raster | which kbd? |
| 01:30.18 | jOERG_42 | dave: kbd on N810 is nice too |
| 01:31.23 | Dave | So you said :D |
| 01:31.23 | Dave | raster, the uhh, one I was just using on the zire |
| 01:31.23 | raster | oh |
| 01:31.23 | raster | in polmos? |
| 01:31.23 | raster | which modle zire? |
| 01:31.26 | Dave | It's closer to the matchbox keyboard but the responsiveness and boundaries are much improved |
| 01:31.38 | raster | model |
| 01:31.40 | BobOfDoom | DaveZire: OPIE? |
| 01:31.42 | Dave | raster, nah in uhh, the angstrom distribution I've currently booted onto (running opie) |
| 01:31.45 | Dave | yeah |
| 01:31.48 | raster | ooh |
| 01:31.49 | raster | opie |
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| 01:31.56 | Dave | yeah |
| 01:32.02 | raster | bah! |
| 01:32.08 | Dave | so far it's not bad, but I'd rather have my illume :) |
| 01:32.12 | Dave | somehow, it's more comfortable :P |
| 01:32.22 | raster | :) |
| 01:32.25 | Dave | Don't worry raster, I'm not cheating on you :P |
| 01:32.26 | raster | illume |
| 01:32.28 | raster | or opie? |
| 01:32.53 | Dave | Well raster, I have 24 of these |
| 01:33.01 | Dave | there's more than enough to go around |
| 01:34.18 | BobOfDoom | 24 |
| 01:34.22 | BobOfDoom | yikes |
| 01:34.39 | BobOfDoom | Dave: dude.. you need to get away from ebay :p |
| 01:34.43 | raster | 24? |
| 01:34.52 | raster | 24 zires? |
| 01:34.57 | Dave | haha yeah, a friend gladly forked over a box of them to me, because otherwise the company was going to throw them out |
| 01:35.00 | Dave | raster, yes |
| 01:35.06 | raster | god damn |
| 01:35.10 | raster | where did u get them? |
| 01:35.32 | Dave | I think I have about 17 71's 6 72's (various versions), and one cute little z31 :) |
| 01:35.59 | Dave | raster, so far the ones I've used all worked... |
| 01:36.15 | Dave | I just had little to no interest in using palmOS... |
| 01:36.18 | Dave | :) |
| 01:36.43 | raster | hmm |
| 01:36.45 | Dave | I guess they had all upgraded to blackberries; I got the impression this was sitting under a desk for a long while, and they couldn't bring themselves to dumpster it. |
| 01:36.48 | raster | z72 is a big leap over z71 |
| 01:36.50 | raster | in hw |
| 01:36.50 | Dave | I gladly took it off their hands! |
| 01:36.56 | Dave | yeah, it seemed like. |
| 01:37.13 | Dave | oh well, six is still good enough, right? |
| 01:37.24 | Dave | I need more SD cards |
| 01:37.26 | raster | yeah |
| 01:37.31 | raster | u can build your own gang |
| 01:37.36 | Dave | right now I'm just using my freerunner microSD's in SD adapters :P |
| 01:37.39 | Dave | haha, YES |
| 01:37.46 | raster | my gang only numebrs 3 right now |
| 01:37.52 | Dave | then I'll take a picture, once I've built illume, and send it to you :) |
| 01:37.59 | raster | needs to get mr zeeee into the gang again |
| 01:38.04 | Dave | :D |
| 01:38.10 | Dave | how's he doing? |
| 01:38.17 | raster | the z71 is a bhit weak |
| 01:38.19 | raster | only 16m ram |
| 01:38.22 | raster | 144mhz omap |
| 01:38.49 | raster | z72 is like treo |
| 01:38.50 | raster | 32m |
| 01:38.52 | raster | decent |
| 01:39.09 | Dave | oh nice |
| 01:39.11 | Dave | yeah |
| 01:39.17 | raster | z31 is like z71 |
| 01:39.18 | raster | weak |
| 01:39.22 | raster | with lower res screen |
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| 01:39.25 | Dave | But it's so adorable! |
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| 01:39.32 | Dave | and lightweight :p |
| 01:39.36 | Dave | maybe because it's full of air |
| 01:39.38 | raster | hehehe |
| 01:39.40 | raster | well u can try |
| 01:39.43 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 01:39.50 | raster | i'd not bother tho |
| 01:39.55 | raster | i'd just bother with the z72's |
| 01:39.56 | raster | u have 6 |
| 01:40.00 | raster | thats enough work there |
| 01:40.07 | Dave | True :) |
| 01:40.20 | techiem2-r | so raster, got anything l33t to run on a Zoomer? |
| 01:40.22 | techiem2-r | :P |
| 01:40.29 | raster | te zoomer? |
| 01:40.33 | Dave | Man, I still have to say, the freerunner undeniably has a sweet screen. |
| 01:40.36 | raster | (plam zXX?) |
| 01:40.41 | techiem2-r | no |
| 01:40.46 | techiem2-r | as in Tandy ZPDA |
| 01:40.49 | techiem2-r | THE Zoomer |
| 01:40.50 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 01:40.53 | raster | zpda? |
| 01:41.01 | Dave | zaurus? |
| 01:41.05 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 01:41.10 | techiem2-r | looks for site on it |
| 01:41.24 | raster | ooho... umm.. never seen one |
| 01:41.27 | raster | but given 1mb ram |
| 01:41.29 | raster | and 4mb rom... |
| 01:41.35 | raster | likely no |
| 01:41.50 | raster | :) |
| 01:41.54 | techiem2-r | http://www.8bit-micro.com/tandy-zoomer-z-pda.htm |
| 01:42.03 | raster | by mr zeee i meant my zaurus sl-c860 |
| 01:42.10 | raster | te yes. googled. found it |
| 01:42.11 | raster | :) |
| 01:42.18 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 01:42.32 | techiem2-r | I should dig that out and see if it still runs.... |
| 01:43.40 | Dave | zaurus zaurus |
| 01:44.05 | techiem2-r | mmm zaurus were nice... |
| 01:44.11 | techiem2-r | what I saw of them |
| 01:44.25 | Dave | Yes. |
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| 01:47.29 | ColdFyre | are there any docs/wikis how to get gprs working on the freerunner? |
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| 01:51.27 | Dave | yes |
| 01:52.08 | ColdFyre | you already know what i am going to ask next |
| 01:52.34 | Dave | Where is it located? :P |
| 01:52.47 | ColdFyre | yup :) |
| 01:52.47 | techiem2-r | is it edible? |
| 01:52.53 | ColdFyre | will it blend? |
| 01:52.56 | Dave | haha |
| 01:53.08 | Dave | Coldfyre, which distribution are you currently using? |
| 01:53.13 | Dave | or do you plan to get it working under. |
| 01:53.30 | ColdFyre | FDOM |
| 01:53.56 | Dave | uhh |
| 01:53.59 | ColdFyre | i am open to using different distros that have better support |
| 01:54.59 | Dave | well take a look at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO and someone recently did it on qtopia too, but have yet to write a wiki page about it I believe. |
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| 01:59.39 | ColdFyre | hm, so those are the only ones that currently have support? |
| 02:00.08 | Dave | I'm pretty sure you could do it in any of them... |
| 02:00.16 | Dave | it might take a little elbow grease though |
| 02:00.25 | Dave | e.g. the manual configuration |
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| 02:01.02 | ColdFyre | manual config = shell scripts= no big deal |
| 02:01.49 | Dave | pretty much! |
| 02:01.54 | Dave | :) |
| 02:02.10 | Dave | Yeah I figure if you follow along with that manual gprs configuration page on the wiki it should work |
| 02:02.20 | Dave | and I'd be interested to hear the result |
| 02:02.39 | APz | how much does the freerunner depend on special kernel patches to actually work? |
| 02:02.51 | APz | can I just download 2.6.27, compile it and expect it to run within some degree? |
| 02:03.09 | ColdFyre | my freerunner works as a phone fin with the stock kernel form om2008.9 |
| 02:03.11 | raster | APz: lots of stuff that isnt in upstream kernels |
| 02:03.12 | raster | so no |
| 02:03.25 | ColdFyre | o |
| 02:03.56 | APz | I've been reading the wiki for couple of hours now, but haven't still found any place to get the actual sources |
| 02:04.15 | APz | I'm currently running the kernel that came with debian installer, and I see it has no support for all features of the phone |
| 02:04.24 | APz | .. especially I seem to be missing the GSM modem itself |
| 02:04.37 | raster | modem is a serial port |
| 02:04.38 | APz | some random things, like the button leds and stuff again works |
| 02:04.47 | APz | yes, I figured that part out |
| 02:04.57 | joerg_42 | raster: thanks! :-) |
| 02:05.01 | APz | and I see lots of references to the device, but I don't have that |
| 02:05.01 | raster | basically debian is a "nice trick" but not the best/right want to run stuff on the fr |
| 02:05.05 | raster | use openembedded |
| 02:05.08 | raster | that will build the whole os |
| 02:05.11 | raster | kernel etc. for you |
| 02:05.22 | raster | it uses the right svn/git/whatever trees |
| 02:05.23 | Dave | bitbake me a cake |
| 02:05.25 | raster | applies the right patches |
| 02:05.31 | raster | and sets up the whole cross-compiel dev env |
| 02:05.39 | raster | joerg_42: np :) |
| 02:05.44 | APz | my system's a bit special case |
| 02:05.50 | APz | I'm bulding the whole UI from ground up |
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| 02:05.58 | APz | .. building |
| 02:06.15 | mwester_ | You still need a toolchain, unless you plan to build that yourself too |
| 02:06.31 | mwester_ | And libc |
| 02:06.34 | mwester_ | and init scripts |
| 02:06.38 | mwester_ | and busybox |
| 02:06.40 | mwester_ | etc |
| 02:06.47 | Dave | the whole mad tea party |
| 02:07.07 | raster | APz: then u DEFINITEL:Y want oe |
| 02:07.09 | toggles_w | whaaazzzzup raster? |
| 02:07.13 | Dave | Toggles! |
| 02:07.20 | raster | i build my images and ui all with oe |
| 02:07.27 | toggles_w | you made the image that makes calls? i still have the girlfriend ;-) |
| 02:07.28 | joerg_42 | mwester: tested SD-sticky patch? |
| 02:07.30 | raster | toggles_w: boo |
| 02:07.34 | Dave | heh heh |
| 02:07.59 | APz | what I'm working on, will in the end remind more of a laptop than a cellphone |
| 02:08.04 | toggles_w | raster: ok. you win.. no calls |
| 02:08.08 | Dave | haha |
| 02:08.10 | Dave | terrible |
| 02:08.15 | APz | I have a working debian setup, with X running, and IceWM in the X. |
| 02:08.49 | raster | APz: horrible for the freerunner |
| 02:08.53 | raster | as it has no stylus |
| 02:09.02 | raster | limited region on ts is usable by fingers |
| 02:09.06 | raster | due to indent |
| 02:09.08 | raster | no keyboard |
| 02:09.12 | raster | (2 buttons) |
| 02:09.14 | mwester_ | bluetooth keyboard works well ;) |
| 02:09.16 | raster | and a tiny screen |
| 02:09.34 | APz | no stylus? |
| 02:09.34 | raster | u need to do a ui specifically geared to such tiny screend and input devices |
| 02:09.43 | mwester_ | joerg_42: No -- my double-sided sticky tape is all dried out, and I didn't get to the shops today... |
| 02:09.48 | raster | none that attaches to the device |
| 02:09.52 | APz | I've already figured out the GUI |
| 02:09.58 | raster | the stylus inclued with the fr is just a gimmick |
| 02:10.06 | mwester_ | cats love it! |
| 02:10.11 | raster | the phone is a plastic blob with no stylys slot |
| 02:10.18 | joerg_42 | mwester: np :-) |
| 02:12.35 | Dave | :D |
| 02:12.41 | Dave | BLOB |
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| 02:26.53 | BobOfDoom | raster: http://meshy.org/~ato/tmp/rival-gang.jpg |
| 02:27.00 | BobOfDoom | sorry for the crap photo quality |
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| 02:27.46 | raster | BobOfDoom: NOOOOO! |
| 02:27.57 | raster | your homies outnumber mine |
| 02:28.05 | rooly|away | i'm yer homie |
| 02:28.22 | raster | has to bring in the big zeee and mr-n into the gang |
| 02:28.32 | BobOfDoom | :D |
| 02:28.53 | rooly|away | so |
| 02:29.07 | rooly|away | somebody wants me to do a research project concerning the freerunner |
| 02:29.14 | raster | then my gang can equal your gang... |
| 02:29.33 | BobOfDoom | raster: I acutally have a second Freerunner >.> |
| 02:29.38 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 02:30.06 | raster | EEEK! |
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| 02:30.20 | raster | must.. wait.. for.. panny! |
| 02:30.35 | raster | big daddy-o |
| 02:30.44 | BobOfDoom | ah |
| 02:30.51 | BobOfDoom | you've got me there XD |
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| 02:30.57 | raster | i can't find my ipaq... |
| 02:31.12 | raster | wonders where his gta01 got to |
| 02:31.45 | mwester | I see your gangs, and raise you two Neos, one Freerunner, two Treo 650s, 5 NSLU2's, and a pair of DSM-G600s. |
| 02:32.27 | mwester | figures the old Clie doesn't count |
| 02:32.33 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 02:33.01 | raster | mwester: thou must reflash all with the same os image! |
| 02:33.22 | BobOfDoom | mwester: yeah they have to be running Illume or it doesnt count :p |
| 02:33.32 | raster | my gang's all the same race yo! none of this ethnic blending homes! |
| 02:33.39 | mwester | Well, now what's the point in that? :D The idea is that they all run a different image so you test different things! |
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| 02:34.59 | raster | damn |
| 02:35.07 | raster | no ipaq 3660.. where the hell did it get to... |
| 02:35.12 | BobOfDoom | I suppose I could add a gumstix and wrt, but I really can't be bothered disassembling my network to do it |
| 02:35.34 | raster | BobOfDoom: it needs a screen to count :) |
| 02:35.50 | raster | how can u see the smiling happy faces of your homies without screens? |
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| 02:36.07 | BobOfDoom | hey.. don't knock the headless homies! |
| 02:36.22 | raster | hahhahahaha |
| 02:37.14 | mwester | loves his console-less, headless little friends. |
| 02:37.49 | raster | damn headless homies |
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| 02:38.38 | raster | BobOfDoom: i do say though.. u have quite a collection of various homies |
| 02:38.53 | raster | i possibly shouldnt have thrown out my client nx80v |
| 02:39.02 | raster | did anyone get linux booting on those? |
| 02:39.13 | raster | just wondering if i should kick myself |
| 02:39.20 | BobOfDoom | raster: I've got nothing, you should check out marex (from #hackndev)'s collection |
| 02:39.35 | BobOfDoom | raster: fortunately he's in the Czech Republic, so too far away to infringe on our turf |
| 02:39.36 | raster | uh oh |
| 02:39.51 | raster | must admit defeat |
| 02:39.56 | raster | i'll stick to my small gang |
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| 02:41.14 | raster | i'm rather keen on the pandora tho |
| 02:41.25 | raster | as that baby is going to be one fast little motherfucker of a homie |
| 02:41.47 | Dave | Are you now? |
| 02:42.15 | raster | i am |
| 02:42.17 | raster | indeed i am |
| 02:43.03 | Dave | haha, rival gangs. |
| 02:43.05 | Dave | nice |
| 02:43.16 | Dave | Raster, so you're a fan of the new Pandora? |
| 02:43.37 | raster | Dave: ell.. i bought one |
| 02:43.41 | raster | waiting for delivery |
| 02:43.44 | techiem2-r | mm |
| 02:43.45 | raster | lets see |
| 02:44.31 | Dave | snap |
| 02:44.36 | Dave | I was going to say, is it even out yet? |
| 02:44.56 | Dave | Oh great, is the first thing you are going to do on it, be to install e/illume? :P |
| 02:45.12 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 02:45.21 | Dave | I'd try to install Openmoko on it, and then post a photo. |
| 02:45.30 | Dave | Owned. |
| 02:45.34 | Dave | HUMILIATION! |
| 02:45.39 | Dave | there we go :) |
| 02:46.14 | raster | Dave: first thing i'll do is turn it on and see if it boots |
| 02:46.15 | raster | :) |
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| 02:46.23 | DocScrutinizer | raster: my delivery date for pandora is scheduled end of january |
| 02:46.26 | raster | then 2nd thing will be getting an oe/e/illume image on |
| 02:46.26 | raster | :) |
| 02:46.34 | raster | DocScrutinizer: really? |
| 02:46.37 | raster | how do u know? |
| 02:47.01 | DocScrutinizer | it's been told on one of the pages of gp2x |
| 02:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.gp2x.de/shop/index.php?osCsid=03lvkvv8gioajm467luf4g4td1 |
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| 02:50.25 | raster | hmm |
| 02:50.36 | raster | gp2x.co.uk is where i ordered mine |
| 02:50.39 | raster | and no info there |
| 02:50.42 | DocScrutinizer | raster: also not same date for "1.Lieferung", and the weird story about paypal payments to be returned |
| 02:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | *note |
| 02:51.15 | BobOfDoom | raster: anyway, that's another resolution e/Illume is running fine at: 320x480 |
| 02:52.20 | raster | BobOfDoom: the tunsten? |
| 02:52.23 | raster | tungsten |
| 02:52.26 | raster | and yeah |
| 02:52.30 | raster | should work just fine in that res |
| 02:52.33 | BobOfDoom | yeah, and the lifedrive |
| 02:52.39 | raster | the biggest part is settign dpi right for x |
| 02:52.45 | raster | as it will adapt to dpi - if its set |
| 02:52.54 | raster | (within limits) |
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| 02:56.09 | C7 | morning raster :) |
| 02:57.41 | raster | C7: moo |
| 02:57.52 | C7 | don't know if thomas told you, but were building illume-image on our buildcluster |
| 02:58.45 | joerg_42 | wants a flexible 1280x1024 oled screen to roll out, on GTA06 :-) |
| 02:58.53 | C7 | im just playn around with some tools like buildbot |
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| 03:00.13 | raster | C7: ok :) cool |
| 03:00.16 | C7 | raster: http://oestats.bitbakery.org/ |
| 03:00.44 | C7 | if you want to alpha-test ;) |
| 03:01.16 | C7 | builds are triggered by commits to http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP |
| 03:01.54 | Dave | MOOOOOOO |
| 03:01.57 | C7 | and and run at hour 8 and 18 |
| 03:03.26 | Dave | joerg ,hahahah |
| 03:03.32 | Dave | more like the gta120 |
| 03:03.40 | Dave | or gta68 |
| 03:03.46 | Dave | if the years increase between releases |
| 03:04.41 | joerg_42 | i'll create a retrofit kit for GTA01 |
| 03:05.33 | joerg_42 | maybe around 2014 |
| 03:08.00 | joerg_42 | as a proof of concept to include that technology for GTA05 scheduled for same year |
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| 03:11.29 | raster | C7: oh rad! |
| 03:11.35 | raster | C7: so a commit there triggers it? |
| 03:11.36 | raster | neat |
| 03:11.42 | raster | and the patches are applied etc? |
| 03:11.51 | C7 | should ;) |
| 03:11.59 | C7 | this is alpha testing i told you ;) |
| 03:12.15 | C7 | no blame mails will be sent at the moment |
| 03:12.24 | raster | cool! |
| 03:12.25 | raster | :) |
| 03:12.38 | C7 | cause most likely i am to blame if a build wont finish with exit 0 |
| 03:13.08 | raster | well i dont always sync my git tree every day |
| 03:13.13 | raster | i may do it every week or 2 or 3 |
| 03:13.15 | C7 | one builder runs a full compile from scratch |
| 03:13.23 | raster | so fresh-oe-git may not have patches applye sometimes |
| 03:13.31 | C7 | the second does incremental |
| 03:14.06 | raster | hmm |
| 03:14.11 | raster | so as new patches appear it applies them? |
| 03:14.27 | raster | (patches get re-numbered regularly whenever i do a resync) |
| 03:14.52 | C7 | your patches? |
| 03:15.01 | raster | yes |
| 03:15.04 | raster | in the patches/ dir |
| 03:15.09 | raster | these are patches to oe |
| 03:15.19 | C7 | './oe-install.sh' |
| 03:15.25 | C7 | './oe-build-illume.sh' |
| 03:15.33 | raster | it may not work |
| 03:15.45 | raster | as that fetches a "head git" |
| 03:15.54 | raster | the patches are againadt whatever head was when i generated them |
| 03:16.11 | raster | thus right now a few days ago |
| 03:16.19 | raster | not all may apply |
| 03:17.20 | C7 | hmm |
| 03:18.46 | C7 | http://buildbot.bitbakery.org |
| 03:19.29 | C7 | there you can see the output of your scripts. |
| 03:19.57 | C7 | so if you want to change them you can can put it in your svn |
| 03:20.14 | C7 | which will trigger a build of course ;) |
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| 03:20.47 | C7 | full builds are delayed 1hour |
| 03:21.09 | C7 | will be dependant on incremental builds sometime this week ;) |
| 03:26.41 | raster | C7: resirited |
| 03:26.46 | raster | restricted |
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| 03:27.53 | raster | hmm |
| 03:27.55 | raster | it asks for auth |
| 03:28.00 | raster | but loads anywah |
| 03:28.13 | C7 | fixed |
| 03:28.56 | raster | hmm |
| 03:29.30 | C7 | hmm? |
| 03:29.33 | C7 | :) |
| 03:29.50 | raster | says build failed |
| 03:30.04 | C7 | cause it did ;) |
| 03:30.30 | C7 | click stdio for logs |
| 03:31.01 | raster | Error, TMPDIR has changed location. You need to either move it back to /home/buildbot/buildslave/raster-incremental/build/tmp.openmoko.om-gta02 or rebuild |
| 03:31.03 | raster | your end |
| 03:31.04 | raster | :) |
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| 03:31.39 | C7 | e2fsprogs doesnt want to install cause of some gettext stuff |
| 03:31.46 | C7 | na this is fixed already |
| 03:32.10 | C7 | see build #46 |
| 03:32.58 | C7 | but the e2fsprogs failure is for you to fix |
| 03:33.05 | C7 | sorry my english ;) |
| 03:33.16 | C7 | its 5:33 here |
| 03:33.22 | C7 | i should go to bed ;) |
| 03:33.24 | raster | hmm |
| 03:33.29 | raster | 46 isnt linked from anywhere |
| 03:33.38 | C7 | http://buildbot.bitbakery.org/builders/raster-incremental/builds/46 |
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| 03:34.03 | raster | yeah |
| 03:34.07 | raster | but i have to know its build 46 |
| 03:34.07 | raster | :) |
| 03:34.16 | C7 | ? |
| 03:34.26 | C7 | http://buildbot.bitbakery.org/waterfall |
| 03:34.26 | raster | hmm |
| 03:34.29 | raster | 46 is in progress |
| 03:34.30 | raster | thats why |
| 03:34.34 | C7 | jep |
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| 03:35.18 | raster | so whast tyhe e2fsprogs thing? |
| 03:35.23 | raster | never seen that |
| 03:35.33 | mwester | lemme guess. |
| 03:35.45 | mwester | MKDIR_P@ |
| 03:35.52 | Dave | the rasters are plentiful |
| 03:36.00 | Dave | heh, bitbakery |
| 03:36.01 | Dave | cute |
| 03:36.02 | C7 | mwester: ;) |
| 03:36.09 | mwester | or MKINSTALLDIR, depending on which particular version you got |
| 03:37.30 | raster | poor build box tho.. |
| 03:37.31 | C7 | raster http://oestats.bitbakery.org/packages/3367/ |
| 03:37.35 | raster | diong all those builds all the time |
| 03:37.45 | C7 | raster: boxes |
| 03:37.49 | C7 | ;) |
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| 03:38.12 | C7 | 2 frontends and 5 slaves at the moment |
| 03:38.16 | raster | C7: no info as to what the error is |
| 03:38.26 | Dave | SLAVES! |
| 03:38.29 | mwester | My build machine is on the third go-round trying to get all the SlugOS packages in the feeds built; the last two failed attemps were because of the vairous e2fs* and gettext* problems. |
| 03:38.43 | Dave | Mwester :( |
| 03:38.44 | ljp | wishes the neo flashed as fast as the n810 |
| 03:38.48 | Dave | That's always such a pain |
| 03:38.57 | Dave | lorn, how fast is that? |
| 03:38.57 | mwester | It's darn hard to get any Om work done that way... |
| 03:39.09 | C7 | raster: no somewhy the log isnt pushed to oestats |
| 03:39.19 | ljp | takes about 5 seconds |
| 03:39.29 | Dave | holy shit |
| 03:39.30 | mwester | ljp: Flashing from a running kernel is almost as fast as the n800; the problem seems to be uboot and the USB handling. |
| 03:39.39 | C7 | mwester: this should be fixed in om.openembedded |
| 03:39.45 | raster | C7: unfortunately.. it work s for me... |
| 03:39.57 | mwester | C7: Yeah, operative word is: "should" |
| 03:40.08 | raster | yesterday and today i built images for freerunner, treo650 and zaurus c7/8xx |
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| 03:40.12 | raster | all work |
| 03:40.34 | C7 | mwester: ok i am pretty shure it is ;) |
| 03:40.39 | C7 | sure? |
| 03:40.47 | mwester | Did you delete your TMPDIR and try from scracht? |
| 03:40.51 | mwester | er, scratch? |
| 03:41.11 | C7 | mwester: yes |
| 03:41.44 | mwester | Cool. Then pehaps there's hope. |
| 03:42.27 | C7 | mwester: there is |
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| 03:43.03 | mwester | ;) I'm not much for optimism. Reality gets in the way too often! |
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| 03:43.29 | C7 | but raster uses org.openembedded.dev where the fix isnt in yet i think |
| 03:43.46 | C7 | mwester: :) |
| 03:43.54 | raster | odd |
| 03:43.55 | raster | it works for me |
| 03:43.57 | raster | hmmm |
| 03:44.07 | C7 | raster: full rebuild from scatch? |
| 03:44.20 | raster | yup |
| 03:44.30 | C7 | strange |
| 03:44.40 | raster | c7x0 image build from scratch today |
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| 03:47.17 | raster | ooooh |
| 03:47.22 | raster | fucking awesome |
| 03:47.29 | raster | mr zeeee is booting |
| 03:47.42 | ljp | you expected it not to? |
| 03:47.48 | raster | no |
| 03:47.53 | raster | but iuts been a little while |
| 03:48.02 | raster | i always like to see mr z going at it |
| 03:48.06 | raster | like a bunny |
| 03:48.35 | raster | man i wish i still have a usb data cable for it |
| 03:49.16 | ljp | sell one to ya... $500 :) |
| 03:49.22 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rcbc96a5a209a 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksum for liberation-fonts-ttf-3.tar.gz |
| 03:49.31 | raster | :-P~ |
| 03:49.46 | raster | how about i get it on beay for $7 |
| 03:49.46 | raster | :) |
| 03:49.56 | Dave | heh |
| 03:50.21 | raster | http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-Data-Cable-Charger-fits-Sharp-Zaurus-SL-C760-C860_W0QQitemZ9720197086QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 |
| 03:50.22 | raster | like that |
| 03:50.23 | ljp | ya, good luck with ebay |
| 03:50.29 | Dave | eBay! |
| 03:50.45 | ljp | plans a bidding war for Z data cables |
| 03:50.54 | raster | hahahah |
| 03:51.03 | raster | especially when they have buynow buttons... |
| 03:51.04 | raster | :) |
| 03:51.18 | ljp | ebay was ruined by buy now buttons |
| 03:51.25 | Dave | haha |
| 03:51.28 | ljp | and bots |
| 03:51.39 | Dave | true |
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| 03:56.02 | mwester | You can still do well on eBay -- just bid on stuff that nobody else wants... Like someone selling a Rogers-locked Treo in the US. :) |
| 03:57.02 | ljp | ha |
| 03:57.09 | Dave | :D |
| 03:57.12 | Dave | nice |
| 03:57.25 | Dave | iPhone 4G? |
| 03:57.48 | Dave | I wonder how many tenatacles will come embedded in that. |
| 03:57.50 | mwester | The best part is that when it showed up, it wasn't even a rogers-branded phone -- it was a unlocked Treo that somebody had tried to install the Rogers firmware onto. |
| 03:58.04 | Dave | mwester - rofl! |
| 03:58.07 | Dave | Winnar :p |
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| 03:58.20 | mwester | Yeah, $35 + $10 to ship it. |
| 03:58.24 | Dave | ROFL |
| 03:58.32 | Dave | I guess your birthday came early this year, huh ;) |
| 03:58.41 | Dave | or whenever that was |
| 03:58.51 | Dave | What a delicious steal :) |
| 03:58.53 | mwester | Well, you win some, but sometimes you're not so lucky. |
| 03:59.20 | Dave | true |
| 03:59.49 | mwester | When I first tried eBay, I made the mistake of buying a battery for a laptop online. Not a good idea. I hear that one should also avoid buying SD cards from eBay. |
| 04:00.34 | Dave | really? |
| 04:00.39 | Dave | I've gotten some good deals in the past... |
| 04:00.48 | mwester | But I put a few Neos and Freerunners on my watch list over the past few weeks just too see what kind of prices folks are getting for them. They're not a particularly hot item, that's for sure. |
| 04:00.48 | C7 | raster: could you please change oe-install.sh to update the openembedded and bitbake checkouts if they are already present? |
| 04:01.03 | C7 | raster: or is this a bad idea? |
| 04:01.24 | ljp | mwester: yes, but a greenphone would be as goos as gold! |
| 04:01.27 | ljp | good |
| 04:01.29 | C7 | anyway .. i have to get some sleep now... |
| 04:01.43 | Dave | Goodnight, C7 :) |
| 04:01.49 | mwester | goes to see if he can find a greenphone to put on his watchlist... |
| 04:02.04 | ljp | they are so rare, I doubt it |
| 04:02.11 | ljp | no one wants to sell it |
| 04:02.14 | Dave | hmm |
| 04:02.24 | raster | C7: i can |
| 04:02.26 | Dave | Because they're so highly sought after? or just plain awesome? |
| 04:02.38 | raster | tho it also sets up symlinks |
| 04:02.39 | ljp | just plain awesome of course |
| 04:02.46 | raster | and o0ther things |
| 04:02.53 | mwester | Nope, none there. But eBay helpfully suggests that they have "Green, Blue, Red, Yellow, Stainless Steel Telephones". |
| 04:02.55 | raster | and also applies all patches blindly |
| 04:03.06 | raster | i gues si could do it |
| 04:03.07 | Dave | hahaha |
| 04:03.13 | raster | i really should also have ti bail out on error |
| 04:03.18 | raster | i didnt really make it that robust |
| 04:03.24 | ljp | wonders how many GP are in a warehosue somewhere |
| 04:03.27 | C7 | raster: :) |
| 04:04.18 | mwester | ljp: Put 'em on the market in the US -- people are buying anything that has "green" associated with it. There's even a TV channel devoted to "living green". |
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| 04:05.14 | Dave | haha yeah |
| 04:05.23 | Dave | Green bullshit |
| 04:05.36 | ljp | i cant believe telepathy is not built for neo |
| 04:05.40 | ljp | ;/ |
| 04:06.12 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/the-gang-02.jpg |
| 04:06.13 | raster | muhahahha! |
| 04:06.19 | raster | BobOfDoom: http://www.rasterman.com/files/the-gang-02.jpg |
| 04:06.22 | raster | i'm catching up |
| 04:06.23 | raster | :) |
| 04:06.33 | C7 | good night everyone |
| 04:06.39 | mwester | watches another attempt at building an FSO-based toolchain crash in flames... |
| 04:06.45 | BobOfDoom | raster: noes! |
| 04:06.47 | Dave | oh snap! |
| 04:07.12 | Dave | Raster: YES |
| 04:07.14 | ljp | its that python stuff |
| 04:07.19 | Dave | Oh no, I have to catch up! |
| 04:07.26 | Dave | Davegang, roll out! |
| 04:07.40 | Dave | Raster, think illume will run on a z71? :\ |
| 04:07.54 | raster | Dave: yes. as it runs on a treo650 |
| 04:07.57 | raster | oh wait |
| 04:07.59 | raster | 71 |
| 04:08.01 | raster | hmm |
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| 04:08.05 | raster | not without some swap |
| 04:08.14 | raster | thats pushing it |
| 04:08.26 | mwester | ljp: Is is hard requirement that the toolchain be in /opt/toolchain/blah/blah, or can one build with the toolchain in the default openmoko location? |
| 04:08.42 | Dave | :| |
| 04:08.51 | Dave | Raster, I just want a bigger army :( |
| 04:08.55 | raster | u can put swap on sd |
| 04:08.58 | ljp | mwester: yes, you'll have to change devices/neo/environment |
| 04:09.04 | Dave | true... |
| 04:09.04 | raster | but... it'll perform like arse |
| 04:09.11 | Dave | man, I'm going to need a fuckload of SD cards :D |
| 04:09.22 | raster | the z is only 64m ram |
| 04:09.33 | ljp | mwester: yes, as in you can built with the toolchain elsewhere |
| 04:09.33 | raster | and i was wondering if id' have trouble |
| 04:09.34 | raster | none |
| 04:09.35 | Dave | Mwester, so, if not ebay, then where? |
| 04:09.36 | raster | so i did treo |
| 04:09.38 | raster | 32m ram |
| 04:09.39 | raster | no swap |
| 04:09.40 | raster | fine |
| 04:09.43 | mwester | ljp: that'll eliminate some possible trouble spots for me, then. Lemme have another go. (Can't get SSL in the toolchain, dunno why...) |
| 04:09.45 | Dave | Raster :) |
| 04:09.47 | raster | but i'd say 16m ram.. no |
| 04:09.48 | raster | it'd fit |
| 04:09.50 | raster | just |
| 04:09.55 | Dave | yeah :\ |
| 04:10.01 | Dave | oh well, I'll still try it! |
| 04:10.03 | Dave | :) |
| 04:10.04 | raster | but u'd have nothing left for growth |
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| 04:11.00 | mwester | thinks raster needs to create a trimmed-down verion of E, in the spirit of busybox and friends. |
| 04:11.34 | raster | mwester: unlikely |
| 04:11.38 | raster | its already very trim |
| 04:11.43 | raster | considering how much it does |
| 04:11.54 | ljp | ha |
| 04:12.04 | ljp | Ebloat :) |
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| 04:12.14 | raster | its ram footprint is about 3-4mb |
| 04:12.19 | raster | including all the gfx and fonts it loads |
| 04:12.28 | mwester | We used to run X/Motif on 8 MB 68020-based systems, w/8-bit color. |
| 04:12.42 | raster | yeah |
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| 04:12.59 | raster | i used to write game/demo engines on an amiga 500 @ 7mhz with 512k ram |
| 04:13.05 | raster | :) |
| 04:13.12 | mwester | Well, port it to the neo! |
| 04:13.17 | raster | "used to" doesnt cut it anymore :( |
| 04:13.26 | raster | people want their anti-aliased fonts |
| 04:13.27 | Dave | aww |
| 04:13.29 | mwester | But it does, in some cases. |
| 04:13.29 | raster | and pretty gfx |
| 04:13.30 | Dave | bah! |
| 04:13.32 | raster | and alpha channels and.... |
| 04:13.33 | raster | :) |
| 04:13.40 | Dave | Avoid the Noid! |
| 04:13.42 | raster | i know i do |
| 04:13.48 | raster | and i'm not cutting it down |
| 04:13.57 | mwester | There's a need for a recovery rootfs, and a gui would be nice. |
| 04:14.05 | raster | dont use e |
| 04:14.11 | raster | doa really basic fb app |
| 04:14.20 | mwester | Right... |
| 04:14.21 | raster | like exquisite |
| 04:14.33 | Dave | just don't fuck it up :) |
| 04:14.38 | raster | zand is the concern disk space |
| 04:14.39 | raster | or ram? |
| 04:14.43 | raster | if tis a recovery rootfs |
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| 04:14.46 | raster | ram is not the problem |
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| 04:14.55 | raster | disk is |
| 04:14.57 | raster | and i freely admiot |
| 04:15.01 | raster | e's install right now is fat |
| 04:15.04 | mwester | wonders if he can just use text and the touchpad like mouse clicks... |
| 04:15.07 | raster | almost entirely thanks to the default theme |
| 04:15.19 | raster | whihc we are chanign for a much leaner one |
| 04:15.23 | Dave | nice |
| 04:15.27 | raster | the b&w look u see in illume is e's new default theme |
| 04:15.31 | Dave | diet please |
| 04:15.39 | Dave | "new" |
| 04:15.41 | raster | its signficantly smaller and leaner |
| 04:15.46 | raster | shoudl shave a few mb easily |
| 04:15.53 | raster | but doing a theme is big work |
| 04:15.54 | Dave | nice |
| 04:15.59 | mwester | Ok, well, I'm going to go back to this silly toolchain problem. |
| 04:16.04 | raster | it has to provide EVERYTHING e needs if its the default |
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| 04:16.12 | raster | as the default is expected to be a universal donor |
| 04:16.12 | Dave | yeah, but eventually come up with a sleak and sexy look |
| 04:16.27 | raster | Dave: thats b&w |
| 04:16.30 | Dave | Mwester, still experiencing difficulties. |
| 04:16.33 | Dave | Raster :) |
| 04:16.37 | Dave | I can see that |
| 04:16.46 | drazak | the freerunner will be like the iphone, sans rape |
| 04:16.48 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/mydesk-02.png |
| 04:17.13 | mwester | thinks b&w is underrated, especially in photography |
| 04:17.44 | drazak | mwester: hey, I shoot only black and white :D |
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| 04:18.16 | Dave | :) |
| 04:18.28 | raster | mwester: i agree |
| 04:18.33 | raster | thats why i've gone for b&w |
| 04:18.36 | raster | its so neutral |
| 04:18.37 | raster | and classic |
| 04:18.42 | Dave | and unbiased? :p |
| 04:18.45 | raster | color only for small hilights and selected things |
| 04:18.47 | raster | and icons |
| 04:18.56 | Dave | maybe later |
| 04:19.05 | raster | Dave: yes. no ubuntu poo-brown for people to complain about |
| 04:19.05 | raster | :) |
| 04:19.06 | Dave | when we can get past the color barrier :p |
| 04:19.11 | Dave | hahah, good |
| 04:21.33 | ColdFyre | hm, i'm going to try qtopia, how much more "stuff" does it have vs fdom? |
| 04:22.07 | slaxxin | a night/day profile switch would be very useful |
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| 04:22.35 | slaxxin | i have 4.4.2 |
| 04:23.21 | ColdFyre | can you use gprs/wifi? |
| 04:23.35 | slaxxin | i cant |
| 04:23.45 | ColdFyre | is still shopping for the ideal distro |
| 04:23.49 | ColdFyre | arh |
| 04:24.09 | slaxxin | the mapping DEMO has a working gps |
| 04:24.23 | slaxxin | debian will be it |
| 04:24.41 | slaxxin | but im just a USER |
| 04:25.47 | slaxxin | im been configuring/borking conf files on the sdcard |
| 04:26.03 | ColdFyre | i need to find an irc client now for this thing |
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| 04:26.15 | slaxxin | which? |
| 04:26.27 | ColdFyre | fdom or w/e |
| 04:26.38 | slaxxin | pidgin not work? |
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| 04:27.16 | Dave | heh |
| 04:27.18 | Dave | :) |
| 04:27.40 | ColdFyre | nope |
| 04:27.40 | slaxxin | daavvee |
| 04:27.44 | Dave | Hello! |
| 04:27.50 | ColdFyre | it only has msn/xmpp/google/yahoo |
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| 04:28.14 | slaxxin | well do the wiki fix |
| 04:28.22 | ColdFyre | besides, i hate using pidgin for irc |
| 04:28.33 | slaxxin | bitchX |
| 04:28.50 | slaxxin | BitchX |
| 04:29.43 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.45 | Dave | irssi ftw |
| 04:29.58 | slaxxin | being root is a problem |
| 04:29.59 | ColdFyre | heh, i should run an eggdrop |
| 04:30.01 | Dave | heh |
| 04:30.13 | Dave | I was just using opieirc on this zire here earlier |
| 04:30.25 | ColdFyre | i like opieirc |
| 04:30.37 | ColdFyre | i used jmirc on my moto a780 - it's terrible |
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| 04:30.56 | DaveZire | :D |
| 04:30.59 | DaveZire | whee |
| 04:31.10 | DaveZire | I live again! |
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| 04:32.36 | raster | DaveZire: marshalling the gang? |
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| 04:35.31 | raster | quick q |
| 04:35.35 | raster | how do u guys type in |
| 04:35.40 | raster | ø |
| 04:35.42 | raster | ö |
| 04:35.46 | raster | œ |
| 04:35.51 | raster | ß |
| 04:35.54 | raster | é |
| 04:35.56 | raster | etc.? |
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| 04:37.17 | slaxxin | use that in a sentence |
| 04:37.53 | ljp | cut and paste |
| 04:37.54 | raster | du blöder sack! |
| 04:38.26 | raster | ljp: NOT the answer i was after |
| 04:38.27 | raster | :) |
| 04:38.34 | ljp | :) |
| 04:38.47 | ljp | ok. i use qt extended's smart keyboard |
| 04:38.55 | ColdFyre | i type it in ... carefully |
| 04:38.56 | slaxxin | lolol |
| 04:38.57 | raster | that's one way |
| 04:39.02 | raster | have dedicated keys |
| 04:39.09 | raster | tick on that |
| 04:39.11 | raster | got that one covered |
| 04:39.19 | raster | what other methods |
| 04:39.21 | raster | eg |
| 04:39.28 | ljp | finger |
| 04:39.48 | raster | multi_key + o + shift ' = ö |
| 04:39.57 | raster | ö |
| 04:40.09 | raster | note thatsd a sequence of 3 stokes |
| 04:40.13 | raster | multi_key can be kept down |
| 04:40.15 | raster | too |
| 04:40.20 | raster | ö |
| 04:40.22 | raster | ö |
| 04:40.25 | ColdFyre | Navigate your spaceship through Death Valley to escape untold dangers... |
| 04:40.26 | ColdFyre | hah |
| 04:40.32 | ColdFyre | there are some strange projects |
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| 04:44.57 | ColdFyre | http://journal.wjsullivan.net/232100.html |
| 04:45.01 | ColdFyre | hrm gprs w/ tmo |
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| 04:49.43 | ColdFyre | slaxxin: where did you get 4.4.2? i only see 4.4.1 |
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| 05:07.30 | C7 | raster: http://buildbot.bitbakery.org/builders/raster-incremental/builds/47 |
| 05:07.52 | raster | install... |
| 05:08.12 | C7 | raster: # shell ['./oe-install.sh' failed] |
| 05:08.19 | raster | hmmm |
| 05:08.22 | raster | yeah |
| 05:08.30 | raster | odd |
| 05:08.53 | C7 | Blamelist: |
| 05:08.53 | C7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.58 | C7 | ;) |
| 05:10.06 | raster | checks |
| 05:11.30 | raster | ok |
| 05:11.33 | raster | fixed minor boo boo there |
| 05:12.12 | ColdFyre | haha, i have tons of kernels oop's scrolling on my screen after that last flash.. |
| 05:13.52 | C7 | raster: :) |
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| 05:17.29 | raster | C7: should be ok now |
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| 05:22.20 | C7 | http://buildbot.bitbakery.org/builders/raster-incremental/builds/48/steps/shell/logs/stdio |
| 05:23.31 | C7 | raster: should ;) |
| 05:24.38 | raster | ummmm |
| 05:24.43 | raster | works foir me |
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| 05:26.49 | raster | i did a fresj svn checkout |
| 05:26.52 | raster | ran it twice |
| 05:26.54 | raster | fiurst to set up |
| 05:26.57 | raster | then to update |
| 05:29.26 | C7 | raster: hmm |
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| 05:30.39 | C7 | raster: git-rebase origin |
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| 05:31.42 | raster | hmmm |
| 05:31.42 | raster | it didnt output any failure |
| 05:31.45 | raster | why exit with != 0 exit code |
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| 05:47.49 | raster | C7: ok |
| 05:47.54 | raster | it is definitely working for me here |
| 05:47.58 | raster | tested returns codes |
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| 05:50.49 | C7 | raster: i did a rm -rf org.openembedded.dev |
| 05:51.40 | raster | ooh joy |
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| 05:52.54 | C7 | raster: :) |
| 05:53.34 | C7 | raster: ok i'am gone |
| 05:53.39 | raster | nite! |
| 05:54.04 | C7 | raster: thx will be a short one... |
| 05:54.14 | C7 | raster: bye |
| 05:54.19 | raster | nite! |
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| 07:40.33 | Hopscotc1 | good morning |
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| 07:46.18 | DocScrutinizer2 | hmm, TZ? |
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| 07:56.48 | methril | morning |
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| 08:21.54 | bipak | :) |
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| 08:30.47 | ieatlint | lol... i just solved the most idiotic problem on my desktop |
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| 08:31.20 | ieatlint | i forgot i added another nic to my machine, which uses the e1000 module... and i couldn't figure out why the e1000e module wasn't working |
| 08:31.35 | ieatlint | (i have another nic on it that uses it) |
| 08:32.52 | MrShleee | Nuked your card? I think they found a way to recover it. |
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| 09:09.25 | bipak | hmm, do you also get often duplicated mails from the OM lists? |
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| 09:10.57 | Blackhex | hello, I'm trying to compile software which is using autoconf but not automake using openmoko toolchain (om-conf). There are some local macros defined in m4/local.m4 file. But even if I use command " EXTRA_AUTORECONF="-I<full_path_to_m4_dir>" om-conf <project>" all local macros are not defined. Could you give me some advise, please? |
| 09:11.58 | Blackhex | bipak: yes, it's "normal" |
| 09:12.41 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r3d8989d0ed73 10/framework/subsystems/opreferencesd/opreferences.py: opreferences: log error instead of info when service not found |
| 09:12.58 | bipak | Blackhex: hmm ok |
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| 10:42.33 | Kensan | raster: ping |
| 10:44.42 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rbe5549d4d9d3 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-dialer2_svn.bb: PE should not use float number. Change it into integer. |
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| 10:52.56 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07gsm0710muxd * r79e10fe8ad08 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac): (re)release gsm0710muxd version 0.9.2 |
| 10:53.00 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r63f08d5b6d38 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): odeviced: signal lowercase consistency change for org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier |
| 10:53.29 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r2481741a2949 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): odeviced: signal lowercase consistency change for idlenotifier and kernel26 |
| 10:53.34 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libframeworkd-glib * r0307f5c65b07 10/src/odeviced/frameworkd-glib-odeviced-idlenotifier.h: frameworkd-glib-odeviced-idlenotifier.h: catch up with signal lowercase naming consistency changes |
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| 10:57.28 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9e6a96fb3f65 10/etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml: rules: add emergency shutdown rule |
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| 11:05.37 | raster | Kensan: pong! |
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| 11:22.29 | Kensan | raster: I read the backlog. if you wanted to do a "stable" build you could pin the git-checkout to a specific hashid which is know to work and simply update that id when you do a fetch/rebase cycle yourself... |
| 11:22.50 | raster | Kensan: i know :) |
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| 11:23.01 | Kensan | raster: hehe |
| 11:23.08 | raster | i justr couldnt be bothered chasing that git id all the time |
| 11:23.11 | raster | :) |
| 11:23.19 | Kensan | raster: I see your plan ;) |
| 11:23.48 | raster | my current plan is to expand my gang |
| 11:24.11 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/the-gang-02.jpg |
| 11:24.15 | Kensan | raster: yeah, it's a bit smallish ;) |
| 11:24.19 | Kensan | yeah, saw that |
| 11:24.38 | raster | n800 is next... |
| 11:24.56 | Kensan | raster: cool |
| 11:25.17 | Kensan | raster: I see the pandora up there in about a months time ;) |
| 11:26.17 | raster | let's see |
| 11:26.20 | raster | now |
| 11:26.24 | raster | to get my n800 to boot from sd |
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| 11:27.47 | dns53 | don't you just install the diablo os release and it's suppose to be easy |
| 11:28.19 | raster | i want to use my oe images i built |
| 11:28.26 | Kensan | raster: I just kicked off an illume-build about an hour ago. seems to work fine so far. |
| 11:28.27 | raster | i dont want nokia's stuff |
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| 11:31.02 | xMDKx | morning |
| 11:34.47 | Kensan | raster: about your gang: what zaurus model is that? |
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| 11:36.37 | raster | Kensan: c860 |
| 11:37.54 | Kensan | raster: n800 sd boot: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ |
| 11:37.59 | Kensan | raster: maybe that helps? |
| 11:38.14 | Kensan | raster: just a "google in the dark" ;) |
| 11:40.00 | raster | working on it |
| 11:40.43 | Kensan | gets quiet so raster can work on it |
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| 11:44.36 | finger | AJATTARA |
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| 11:56.14 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb9e9c0046684 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: open framebuffer "just in time" for blanking/unblanking ioctl |
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| 12:07.39 | raster | MUHAHAHAHAHA |
| 12:07.41 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/the-gang-03.jpg |
| 12:08.17 | viq | lol |
| 12:08.25 | gromez | hehe |
| 12:08.39 | viq | You should have laptop displaying that too ;) |
| 12:08.49 | raster | viq: thats just too easy |
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| 12:09.15 | viq | Yeah, but would be a nice addition ;) |
| 12:09.22 | raster | too big |
| 12:09.29 | Kensan | gets out of "quiet-let-raster-work"-mode |
| 12:09.32 | raster | only small embedded systems allowed |
| 12:09.34 | Kensan | raster: nice |
| 12:09.42 | raster | it's my arm farm |
| 12:10.03 | Kensan | raster: did you find your Ipaq in the meantime? ;) |
| 12:10.07 | viq | {,f}arm ;) |
| 12:10.25 | raster | men no... i wonder where it got to |
| 12:10.33 | raster | maybe i threw it out... |
| 12:10.35 | raster | thta'd suck |
| 12:10.38 | raster | that'd |
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| 12:10.44 | raster | maybe its in a box... |
| 12:10.54 | Kensan | raster: hm... why would you throw away a gadget?!? |
| 12:10.57 | Kensan | is in disbelief |
| 12:10.59 | Kensan | ;) |
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| 12:11.34 | Kensan | raster: btw, the n800 battery seems kinda low, you should plug it in. |
| 12:14.57 | raster | JOY! |
| 12:15.08 | BDo | The Treo's battery looks no better ;-) |
| 12:15.19 | raster | i found my old zaurus usb data cable |
| 12:15.21 | raster | WERD |
| 12:15.39 | BDo | Really nice farm for an arm fame :-) |
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| 12:18.09 | Kensan | ah nice, illume build is done. |
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| 12:22.56 | geaaru | hi, image Om2008.9-gta02-20080916 works yet with neo1973? |
| 12:22.58 | geaaru | thanks in advance |
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| 12:26.19 | raster | pooo |
| 12:26.21 | raster | no ipaq |
| 12:26.23 | raster | BUT |
| 12:26.28 | raster | i found my zaurus data cable |
| 12:26.29 | raster | MUHAHAHAH |
| 12:26.30 | Kensan | raster: where did it go? |
| 12:26.40 | raster | Kensan: dunno. probably the bin |
| 12:26.55 | raster | somewhere during some trans-continental move of some sort |
| 12:27.01 | raster | or inter-continental |
| 12:27.12 | raster | crap |
| 12:27.15 | raster | usb0,1,2,3 |
| 12:27.18 | raster | whihc one is it... |
| 12:27.35 | Kensan | raster: hm too bad :( |
| 12:27.58 | raster | woot |
| 12:28.02 | raster | at last |
| 12:28.10 | Kensan | raster: it seems you are too busy moving around the globe ;) |
| 12:29.09 | Kensan | uo, latest kernel throw some strange messages... |
| 12:30.16 | raster | bugger |
| 12:30.29 | raster | n800 doesnt want to join my usbnet forest |
| 12:30.45 | Kensan | hm... something is off, I am stuck at exquisite boot screen |
| 12:31.08 | Kensan | oh it just started x... |
| 12:32.17 | Kensan | raster: love the new menu at the top. |
| 12:32.27 | raster | the 3 buttons? |
| 12:32.31 | Kensan | raster: yeah |
| 12:32.41 | Kensan | raster: very finger-friendly |
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| 12:32.49 | raster | yup |
| 12:32.53 | raster | that was the original illume ui |
| 12:33.04 | raster | before om's "Designers" started "fixing" it. |
| 12:33.14 | Kensan | raster: mkay. |
| 12:33.27 | raster | i'm bringing it back because its 1. simple |
| 12:33.34 | raster | 2. hyper-finger-friendly |
| 12:33.42 | raster | 3. predictable (same action always in the same spot) |
| 12:34.02 | raster | 4. covers the majority of what u want to do right there in big fat black and white |
| 12:34.17 | beni_ | hm, which dfu-util altsettings are available? i know rootfs, kernel, uboot |
| 12:34.18 | raster | medium-users will use the window list buttont o list active apps/windows |
| 12:34.20 | raster | and flip |
| 12:34.20 | beni_ | are there more? |
| 12:34.25 | dolf1074 | raster: where can I find it? |
| 12:34.32 | raster | novices just might run the app again and that'll flip to it anyway |
| 12:34.48 | raster | dolf1074: image? |
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| 12:34.55 | dolf1074 | FDom |
| 12:35.05 | Kensan | dolf1074: illume images: http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/Freerunner/2008-10-12/ |
| 12:35.20 | Kensan | beni_: yes |
| 12:35.29 | raster | Kensan: that one has the buttons? |
| 12:35.37 | raster | i am not sure if i put them in that one |
| 12:35.51 | Kensan | beni_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_partitions |
| 12:35.56 | Kensan | raster: oh I don't know |
| 12:36.07 | Kensan | raster: I simply flashed the one I just built... |
| 12:36.17 | dolf1074 | Kensan + Raster: I will try and report ;) |
| 12:36.57 | dolf1074 | neotool is my friend ;) |
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| 12:39.42 | raster | and yes i know the window title in the winlist at the bottom dont fill the scroll region |
| 12:39.47 | raster | and i know the scrollabr is always there |
| 12:39.54 | raster | the obvious i know :) |
| 12:40.19 | dolf1074 | I will try to not report it :p |
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| 12:46.26 | Kensan | raster: there's some errors in x.log but I don't know if they are really that important... |
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| 12:48.27 | beni_ | where can i download a recent kernel and its modules? |
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| 12:50.16 | beni_ | at http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ i find the uimage, but no modules :( |
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| 12:51.01 | bipak | http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/om-gta02/ |
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| 12:51.31 | gromez | beni_: did you check in /lib/modules of the rootfs tar.gz ? |
| 12:52.12 | beni_ | no |
| 12:52.18 | beni_ | but i wanted |
| 12:52.23 | beni_ | download is finished now :() |
| 12:52.48 | gromez | or get kernel/modules from FSO repo : http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/ |
| 12:52.50 | beni_ | would be cool if the modules would be downloadable separately as they where |
| 12:52.50 | dolf1074 | raster: I don't think the new menu is included in the image |
| 12:53.00 | dolf1074 | raster: where can I find it? |
| 12:53.16 | raster | do aaah ok |
| 12:53.24 | raster | umm i'll need to build |
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| 12:53.29 | raster | the same way kensan did |
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| 12:53.46 | raster | i havent provided new images |
| 12:53.49 | dolf1074 | ah, just rebuild the whole image? |
| 12:54.00 | raster | yes |
| 12:54.09 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/ |
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| 12:54.17 | raster | svn co http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP/oe |
| 12:54.22 | bipak | beni_: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/om-gta02/ is that not recent enough? |
| 12:54.26 | raster | all tyhe stuff u need is there for a full oe build tree |
| 12:54.31 | Kensan | dolf1074: if you have some place for me to upload it I could do that. |
| 12:54.44 | dolf1074 | Kensan: how much mb? |
| 12:54.59 | Kensan | dolf1074: let me check |
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| 12:55.24 | raster | 36m |
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| 12:55.36 | raster | (plus kernel 38m) |
| 12:55.49 | Kensan | dolf1074: what raster said ;) |
| 12:55.58 | dolf1074 | normally I should have enough place. But I will check first |
| 12:56.00 | raster | well 37.6m |
| 12:56.15 | raster | i wont put yet another image up so soon after the last |
| 12:56.19 | raster | i will eventually |
| 12:56.21 | raster | needs more polish |
| 12:56.30 | gromez | no chance to have packages update, we must flash the whole image ? |
| 12:57.31 | Kensan | raster: isn't the bitbakery building your stuff? |
| 12:58.19 | dolf1074 | Kensan: email please, I will send you the ftp inlog |
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| 12:58.50 | raster | Kensan: i think so |
| 12:58.50 | raster | :) |
| 13:03.09 | Dave | Raster :) |
| 13:03.48 | beni_ | is there some pynitofy opkg available already? |
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| 13:09.11 | geaaru | i'm try to install image 2007.11 on neo1973 but on boot i have errors: jff2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0xxxxx not found at 0x0xxxxx: 0x7f0c instead |
| 13:09.22 | geaaru | how can i resolve this problem? |
| 13:09.38 | Kensan | raster: now we just need to figure out where they put the images/packages ;) |
| 13:09.52 | SpeedEvil | geaaru: may be 'nand erase rootfs' needed |
| 13:09.54 | SpeedEvil | search the wiki |
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| 13:10.16 | geaaru | how can i do nand erase rootfs from dfu-util |
| 13:10.18 | geaaru | ? |
| 13:11.07 | Blackhex | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.18 | SpeedEvil | geaaru: I don't know you can - I've used uboot |
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| 13:15.03 | geaaru | for enter on uboot console and erase rootfs i need to start "set console to USB? |
| 13:15.15 | geaaru | Factory reset on menu stands for? |
| 13:16.44 | SpeedEvil | no - minicom to /dev/ttyACM0 which appears when you are on the uboot screen - on your desktop - then 'nand erase rootfs' |
| 13:16.48 | SpeedEvil | Look at the wiki |
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| 13:24.44 | dolf1074 | How many time you may reflash your flash before you're getting problems? |
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| 13:25.13 | dolf1074 | like memory degradation |
| 13:25.20 | XorA | millions |
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| 13:26.21 | dolf1074 | ok, I will keeping reflashing my freerunner for keeping a nice overview over the successes |
| 13:27.02 | geaaru | SpeedEvil: thanks i will try |
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| 13:29.36 | Kensan | dolf1074: bug reports to raster ;) |
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| 13:30.11 | dolf1074 | Kenson: ok |
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| 13:38.44 | xzcvczx | mickeyl: you around? |
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| 13:42.16 | vililikku | Hi! Has anybody tried SHR yet? |
| 13:42.33 | dolf1074 | yes |
| 13:43.06 | dolf1074 | looks promising |
| 13:47.26 | vililikku | how does it differ from FSO? |
| 13:47.45 | dolf1074 | other self-made appications. So zhone isn't included |
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| 13:48.12 | vililikku | okey. what do you think. Should I use SHR or FSO? |
| 13:48.22 | dolf1074 | For know I should say FSO |
| 13:48.38 | dolf1074 | because SHR hasn't released an 'stable' image yet |
| 13:48.45 | dolf1074 | there are calling it alpha |
| 13:48.50 | vililikku | okey, so i use fso :) |
| 13:48.54 | dolf1074 | And not everything is working at the moment |
| 13:49.13 | xzcvczx | i am not sure that i would call FSO fully "stable" either |
| 13:49.28 | viq | SHR is alpha, FSO is beta ;) |
| 13:49.33 | dolf1074 | no it's not stable, but you can use it as a phone |
| 13:49.39 | dolf1074 | viq: something like that :p |
| 13:49.53 | alphaone | Yay, FSO has passed the stages of alphaness! :-) |
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| 13:50.17 | xzcvczx | alphaone: well based on your name you are unable to use it |
| 13:50.22 | xzcvczx | :P |
| 13:50.44 | alphaone | Actually FSO aims to provide the middleware and includes a testing GUI (zhone). |
| 13:51.06 | viq | So... 2007 is obsolete and deprecated, FSO is beta, what does it make ASU/2008? And debian is unofficial and testing too, and qtopia, though considered usable, is an entirely different company :P |
| 13:51.06 | dolf1074 | true |
| 13:51.14 | alphaone | SHR on the other hand tries to develop UI applications on top of the FSO stack |
| 13:51.19 | alphaone | xzcvczx: Hehe :-) |
| 13:51.29 | dolf1074 | om2008.8 is some in between, before FSO backend is ready |
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| 13:55.53 | geaaru | SpeedEvil: thank you very very much. Now works. But only last question, last images 2008.9 works still with new1973 (maybe only from sd card because there isn't space on flash)? |
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| 13:56.05 | SpeedEvil | Sorry, don't know. |
| 13:56.55 | geaaru | k np, still thanks |
| 13:57.29 | IOhannes | my freerunner (FSO) just crashed and i cannot reboot it; any hints? |
| 13:57.49 | xzcvczx | remove battery |
| 13:57.51 | IOhannes | i took out the battery and (after re-inserting it) pressed the power-button for >10secs |
| 13:57.59 | IOhannes | what else? |
| 13:58.04 | xzcvczx | was the battery near flat? |
| 13:58.44 | xzcvczx | if so leave battery out for about a min then plug into charger and leave for ages |
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| 14:00.58 | Dave | Hey alphaone :) |
| 14:01.03 | toggles_w | Dave: hey! |
| 14:01.08 | Dave | Toggles :) |
| 14:01.09 | alphaone | hello, Dave |
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| 14:01.39 | Dave | Greetings |
| 14:01.47 | Tig| | 'ning Dave |
| 14:02.45 | Tig| | have I missed anything exciting in the OM world? |
| 14:03.44 | Dave | heh |
| 14:03.45 | xzcvczx | Tig|: with the combined power of every FIC device they were able to work out the answer to the ultimate question of life and everything |
| 14:03.46 | Dave | Not really :P |
| 14:03.55 | Dave | A few of us have been dabbling into palms :P |
| 14:04.07 | Tig| | filthy boy |
| 14:04.08 | Dave | and I'm not talking about fortune telling or prognostication |
| 14:04.41 | Tig| | xzcvczx: is the answer that the firmware is fucked? :) |
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| 14:05.18 | xzcvczx | Tig|: nope, still 42 |
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| 14:06.25 | Tig| | writes a simple app and puts in error code 42 for universe firmware problem |
| 14:07.08 | rebelThor | hey guys, i flashed/reflashed/etc my neo a couple of times,now i can't connect via usb, my host says Cannot find device "usb0" .. what am i missing here? |
| 14:07.42 | Tig| | rebelThor: dry disconnecting and then reconnecting the cable |
| 14:07.51 | rebelThor | did that a couple of times |
| 14:07.55 | rebelThor | tried restarting both systems too |
| 14:08.13 | Kensan | rebelThor: what does syslog say on your host when you plugin the device? |
| 14:08.36 | rebelThor | how can i tell? :D |
| 14:08.42 | rebelThor | fail -f /var/log/messages ? |
| 14:08.53 | rebelThor | *tail |
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| 14:08.59 | Tig| | quality typo there :) |
| 14:10.35 | Kensan | rebelThor: yes, the one command with "t" ;) |
| 14:10.50 | rebelThor | i get nothing :| |
| 14:11.00 | rebelThor | no new messages that is, on plugging/unplugging |
| 14:11.13 | rebelThor | the neo shows as charging though |
| 14:11.24 | Kensan | Tig|: not as good as "boobsplash". I think that one made it into raster's top 10 typo list. |
| 14:11.30 | xzcvczx | lsusb on the host? |
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| 14:11.42 | xzcvczx | rebelThor: ^^ |
| 14:11.45 | Kensan | rebelThor: is cdc_ether loaded? |
| 14:11.50 | Tig| | Kensan: teeheehee :) |
| 14:12.23 | rebelThor | xzcvczx: http://pastebin.com/m163e1b2c |
| 14:12.26 | raster | yay! boobsplash! |
| 14:12.40 | rebelThor | Kensan: on which one? the host? (is that a module?) |
| 14:12.52 | Kensan | rebelThor: yes host |
| 14:12.58 | Kensan | lsmod | grep cdc_ether |
| 14:13.05 | rebelThor | no output |
| 14:13.17 | xzcvczx | modprobe cdc_ether |
| 14:13.20 | xzcvczx | need to be root |
| 14:13.24 | rebelThor | did that, let me try it now |
| 14:13.33 | Kensan | Tig|: see, raster felt that we were talking about ti. |
| 14:13.34 | Kensan | it |
| 14:13.34 | xzcvczx | if that fails it might be built into kernel |
| 14:14.02 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r98b7b265615c 10/ (9 files in 5 dirs): [prelink] Add recent version of prelink |
| 14:14.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r06f61faf1ccf 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Upgrade inputproto to 1.4.4 for the xserver 1.5 releases |
| 14:14.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r9b9f319518fb 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add inputproto 1.4.4 to the checksum list |
| 14:14.04 | rebelThor | still no sugar :( |
| 14:14.15 | xzcvczx | can someone confirm the usb verndor id/device id for the freerunner? |
| 14:14.18 | rebelThor | cdc_ether is loaded now |
| 14:14.21 | raster | Kensan: talking abou tit indeed. |
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| 14:14.33 | Kensan | raster: argh |
| 14:14.43 | Kensan | is on a rampage |
| 14:14.48 | xzcvczx | rebelThor: unplug and replug the phone |
| 14:15.08 | rebelThor | did that, no messages in syslog :) |
| 14:15.24 | xzcvczx | change to a diff usb port? |
| 14:15.35 | Kensan | rebelThor: then probably usb_networking on the freerunner side is not active |
| 14:15.54 | Kensan | rebelThor: see if you can connect to serial console when fr is in uboot |
| 14:15.56 | IOhannes | turned out that i had forgotten to disconnect the USB-cable; the freerunner has to be completely without power in order to recover (kind of logical) |
| 14:16.09 | rebelThor | Kensan: will try, thanks |
| 14:16.11 | xzcvczx | xzcvczx: and also see if dmesg is added to on each unplug/replug |
| 14:16.36 | xzcvczx | IOhannes: good to hear |
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| 14:19.50 | Kensan | rebelThor: what kernel/rootfs are you using? |
| 14:20.12 | rebelThor | the 2008.9 stable one |
| 14:20.33 | rebelThor | when issuing (on the phone) /etc/init.d/networking start i get "usb0 no such device" |
| 14:21.14 | Kensan | rebelThor: hm maybe there are some missing modules? |
| 14:21.43 | rebelThor | could be, but i have no idea what is required:( |
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| 14:24.02 | rebelThor | hm, maybe i have the wrong uImage after all :-/ i'll try reflashing that |
| 14:25.10 | Kensan | rebelThor: try modprobe cdc_ether on freerunner |
| 14:25.49 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rf96ccaea0276 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/idlenotifier/ (idlenotifier.plugin idlenotifier.vala): Catch up with the case changes in the idlenotifier plugin |
| 14:27.44 | rebelThor | i think reflashing the 2008.9 kernel uImage did the trick |
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| 14:28.01 | rebelThor | upgrading to testing seems to have modified my kernel |
| 14:28.10 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r9285bb9c4819 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] add new ones for liboil and schroedinger |
| 14:28.10 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r594456a11da0 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [prefferred-om-versions] update schroeding and liboil |
| 14:28.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r832877aee5d7 10/ (10 files in 6 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev |
| 14:28.15 | rebelThor | come to think of it, it was supposed to |
| 14:29.23 | rebelThor | yep, that did it |
| 14:29.42 | rebelThor | i had the wrong kernel :( thanks guys! |
| 14:29.50 | Kensan | rebelThor: heh ok. |
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| 14:43.56 | rebelThor | any chance of getting pidgin on 2008.9 without enabling angstrom? i'd like to be able to upgrade my packages and angstrom breaks everything :( |
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| 14:47.16 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 14:51.49 | exactt | hi everyone. just wanted to install http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone . after adding the repo it get: opkg install libmediastreamer0 |
| 14:51.49 | exactt | parseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberparseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberparseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberparseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberCollected errors: |
| 14:52.01 | exactt | what is that supposed to mean? |
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| 15:00.27 | exactt | rebelThor: you just temporarily add the repo, install pidgin and remove the repo afterwards... |
| 15:00.48 | exactt | or maybe get it from the FDOM guys somehow... |
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| 15:05.24 | sledgeas | hello |
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| 15:05.47 | sledgeas | when's the stable image Om* team is working on forecasted to show up? |
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| 15:48.10 | rebelThor | hey guys, so what's this thing about 2008.9 not actually using suspend and only dimming+locking ? |
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| 16:01.09 | Zorkman | anybody have good experiences with the latest om2008.9?? |
| 16:01.17 | Zorkman | gsm stability especially |
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| 16:08.58 | Zorkman | thinks this chan should be renamed to #narcolepsy :) |
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| 16:17.32 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r28e01227063a 10/src/zhone: s/BUSY/busy/ as per IdleNotifier API changes |
| 16:19.11 | rebelThor | so did anyone get to have 2008.9 lasting more than 6-7 hours in standby? |
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| 16:28.52 | ceda | Zork|AwaY: I think you're bound to got with qtextended for a while still |
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| 16:53.15 | christ | Anyone up to speed with navit on FDOM? |
| 16:54.44 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07framework * r8b55ff39b037 10/etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml: Slight modification of rules.yaml to set brightness to 90 on incoming calls. |
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| 17:00.19 | christ | To answer my own question... |
| 17:01.12 | christ | If you start navit with a map set it cannot find, it apparently also soen't want to display other map sets. I disabled a map set, and I now get 'The Netherlands'. Nice! Now I only need to find out how to set a destination... |
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| 17:14.50 | KaZeR | christ, you might want to try #navit ? |
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| 17:32.58 | sigi | Q: I'd like to set up, on my host pc, a remote filesystem for my openmoko running on qemu (i.e.remote to qemu not to my host pc). Whats the best way to do this ? Is it possible to use samba or nfs, or should I use something on top of ssh ? Or yet another, not network based, method ? |
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| 17:38.12 | Dave | sigi, as far as I know, nfs works fine. |
| 17:38.45 | [Rui] | WTF????? |
| 17:38.46 | mjr | well, I've used nfs on a real neo at least, over usb... |
| 17:38.51 | Dave | right |
| 17:39.09 | [Rui] | does messing around with brightness affect the accelerometers???? |
| 17:39.23 | mjr | I _think_ the qemu user mode networking shtick should be sufficient also... |
| 17:39.57 | [Rui] | is rebooting right now |
| 17:41.29 | sigi | mjr, i have a feeling it doesnt matter all that much but to be sure: whats a shtick ? |
| 17:42.27 | Dave | ROFL http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/008d7ef083fad841f9391a96f203a6f4.png |
| 17:43.03 | mjr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:43.42 | Dave | heh |
| 17:43.48 | sigi | mjr, ah, ok |
| 17:43.56 | sigi | Dave, mjr: thanks , i'll give nfs a try then. |
| 17:44.22 | Dave | Go for it! |
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| 17:45.04 | [Rui] | ok, after reboot it now works as normal |
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| 18:09.35 | rooly|away | damnit |
| 18:09.36 | rooly|away | raster: |
| 18:09.55 | rooly|away | what's the link i need to make om2007.11 work? |
| 18:10.05 | rooly|away | the 'iso-8859-1' error |
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| 18:11.08 | rooly|away | anybody know? |
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| 18:15.47 | rooly|away | nvm, found it |
| 18:16.26 | Dave | \o/ |
| 18:17.40 | GNUtoo | hello, is there any informations on android phones...are they locked(that is to say you have the sources(of the kernel and stuff that are not google's)...but if you modify them you can't run them on the phone because of cryptographic signatures in the bootloader) |
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| 18:17.46 | GNUtoo | ? |
| 18:18.21 | Dave | man |
| 18:18.25 | Dave | Apple's such a dick. |
| 18:19.12 | [Rui] | do you get a hacking htc dream site that doens't involve ugly cracks? |
| 18:19.32 | bricode | GNUtoo: Android T-Mo will be locked initially. |
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| 18:20.01 | bricode | GNUtoo: It will depend on the vendor and how much they want to lock down the phone. |
| 18:20.02 | GNUtoo | ok thanks...so i did a good thing buying a freerunner... |
| 18:20.20 | toggles_w | GNUtoo: unless of course you actually want to make a phone call |
| 18:20.23 | toggles_w | ducks |
| 18:20.39 | Dave | :P |
| 18:20.45 | Dave | smirks at toggles |
| 18:20.50 | GNUtoo | toggles_w, lol...i tried to use it as a phone and the main problem was the battery life... |
| 18:20.54 | bricode | GNUtoo: FR will most likely run Android at some point. |
| 18:20.59 | toggles_w | my gf just stopped by, "why the hell did you pay all that money for this thing when you cant even call me?" |
| 18:21.06 | toggles_w | she just doesn't get it... ;-) |
| 18:21.23 | Dave | hahaha |
| 18:21.29 | Dave | be glad you haven't gotten dumped yet :P |
| 18:21.44 | toggles_w | lol, i think i would if i explained it to her ;-) |
| 18:21.50 | Dave | :D |
| 18:21.54 | GNUtoo | toggles_w, mmm....the freerunner is more like a computer(that is too slow for running firefox or openoffice and certains apps) |
| 18:21.59 | Dave | It's not me baby, it's the hardware... |
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| 18:22.14 | SpeedEvil | I debate too slow for FF |
| 18:22.23 | Dave | true |
| 18:22.29 | SpeedEvil | I'm running FF on PII/300 (1.5) |
| 18:22.31 | GNUtoo | SpeedEvil, yes it's usable but slow... |
| 18:22.37 | SpeedEvil | I disagree actually. |
| 18:22.49 | SpeedEvil | It's quite usably fast enough with up to 20 tabs or so. |
| 18:22.58 | Dave | but surely that isn't enough for you? |
| 18:22.59 | GNUtoo | for instance it takes ages to load...so mabe you're right on the fact that FF3 is usable |
| 18:23.03 | Dave | right |
| 18:23.13 | Dave | anyhoo, chrome, anybody? |
| 18:23.14 | GNUtoo | 20 tabs on the openmoko? |
| 18:23.17 | Dave | rofl |
| 18:23.23 | SpeedEvil | gnu{-: no - my PII/300 laptop |
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| 18:23.31 | Dave | you'd likely have to distribute that across several |
| 18:23.34 | GNUtoo | ah ok...because i tried it on the openmoko |
| 18:23.37 | SpeedEvil | gnu{-: I have had FF displaying - but not running on OM. |
| 18:24.03 | gnu{- | SpeedEvil: you must mean GNUtoo ... |
| 18:24.08 | GNUtoo | SpeedEvil, the main problem for me of ff on openmoko is the certificates |
| 18:24.13 | SpeedEvil | gnu{-: yes, sorry |
| 18:24.27 | Dave | heh |
| 18:24.31 | Dave | konqueeror? |
| 18:24.49 | GNUtoo | gnu{-, you are john gilmore...wow...you're part of gnash initiative...and have a wikipedia page |
| 18:25.11 | SpeedEvil | is spartacus! |
| 18:25.16 | bumbl | hmm is a pII 300mhz more powerful than 500mhz armv4? |
| 18:25.18 | Dave | hardly |
| 18:25.22 | Dave | bumble :D |
| 18:25.33 | Dave | isn't irony great? |
| 18:25.49 | bumbl | opera mobile would be nice on the freerunner |
| 18:25.55 | SpeedEvil | bumbl: it's about comparable - the PII is a little faster. |
| 18:25.56 | bumbl | it's quite fast |
| 18:26.08 | SpeedEvil | bumbl: owing to the cache. |
| 18:26.08 | bumbl | supports most/all standards |
| 18:26.27 | bumbl | and the ui is not that bad |
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| 18:26.37 | Dave | Speedevil, my PII-233 running redhat is WAY faster... |
| 18:26.44 | GNUtoo | s/you are/are you |
| 18:27.29 | SpeedEvil | Dave: it depends how you bench it. |
| 18:27.36 | GNUtoo | ah mabe he's not.. |
| 18:27.41 | Dave | true, of course |
| 18:27.52 | GNUtoo | bumbl, 400Mhz |
| 18:28.04 | SpeedEvil | Dave: lack of FPU, lack of cache, lack of fast peripherals will slow it lots |
| 18:28.11 | Dave | heh |
| 18:28.35 | GNUtoo | ah yes fpu...does mplayer have tremor? |
| 18:28.43 | GNUtoo | because it has mad |
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| 18:31.19 | Dave | sir |
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| 18:32.08 | GNUtoo | ah the domain matches...mabe he is... |
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| 18:34.25 | Dave | o.O |
| 18:34.40 | Dave | Gnu2: fear. |
| 18:35.21 | Dave | Heil, Openmoko ☠|
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| 18:40.22 | GNUtoo | how usable is fennec? |
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| 18:40.40 | GNUtoo | i just discovered that it's in the oe repository... |
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| 18:42.38 | Hire | raster: http://www.rasterman.com/files/the-gang-02.jpg what is the model of that sharp? |
| 18:42.38 | largos | does anyone know if the Freerunner will run Android? (I came across an older blog post that states that the Neo 1973 will not, but I haven't been able to determine if that is still true) |
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| 18:42.58 | lindi- | largos: is it free software? |
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| 18:43.31 | largos | lindi-: it's Apache V2, but there was an issue with ARMv4 vs. v5 instruction set support |
| 18:43.37 | Hire | we need to wait until google release th sourcecode |
| 18:43.48 | lindi- | largos: is it written in assembler? |
| 18:43.53 | largos | ah.. |
| 18:44.05 | largos | lindi-: I would assume not, but I'm unsure :) |
| 18:44.15 | lindi- | largos: how can instruction set be an issue then? |
| 18:44.19 | largos | it seems reasonable to assume that parts of it will use ARM assembly |
| 18:44.30 | mwester | Because the source is not released. |
| 18:44.38 | Hire | it's written in java |
| 18:44.42 | Dave | haha |
| 18:44.46 | largos | Hire: ah.. |
| 18:44.46 | mwester | Not the VM |
| 18:45.10 | mwester | Nor all the logic that connects the custom Linux kernel they use to the JVM |
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| 18:45.23 | mwester | That's all closed, proprietary code. |
| 18:45.37 | largos | dang |
| 18:46.04 | [Rui] | http://blog.1407.org/2008/10/14/openmoko-newrotate-checks-brightness/ |
| 18:46.08 | mwester | Somebody seems to think that if they stuff a few kernel patches out to the LAKL, and release the source to a few Java apps, that makes it open, somehow... :( |
| 18:47.00 | Dave | Fuck you Google? |
| 18:47.05 | largos | mwester: bah... that is pretty frustrating. The android page, of course, makes no obvious mention of that <sigh> |
| 18:47.23 | Dave | for obvious rasons :p |
| 18:47.24 | largos | that does make my choice of phones a lot easier though :) |
| 18:47.26 | Dave | reasons |
| 18:47.30 | mwester | hehe! Ain't marketing a great thing? |
| 18:47.30 | Dave | heh |
| 18:47.38 | Dave | fucking marketing! |
| 18:47.43 | mwester | Marketing and politics -- the REAL oldest professions |
| 18:47.52 | largos | hehe |
| 18:48.27 | largos | so, the freerunner *is* shipping & usable, right? |
| 18:48.33 | [Rui] | yeah, because a prostitute that doesn't look nice enough and that isn't political enough to charge a fair price wouldn't ever make it ;) |
| 18:48.52 | [Rui] | largos: shipping yes, usable... depends |
| 18:49.02 | [Rui] | largos: I use it as a daily phone, sms, etc... |
| 18:49.06 | largos | [Rui]: she'd just need a pimp that can convince the customers to buy sight-unseen |
| 18:49.20 | [Rui] | largos: but I wouldn't recommend it to someone who isn't a coder or has no love for Free Software |
| 18:49.27 | largos | [Rui]: done right, she may not even need to fullfill her end of the bargain ;) |
| 18:49.41 | [Rui] | largos: but I wouldn't recommend it to someone who isn't a coder WHO has love for Free Software |
| 18:49.43 | mwester | largos: You've just described politics. |
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| 18:49.52 | Dave | :D |
| 18:49.53 | largos | mwester: good point |
| 18:51.03 | largos | [Rui]: cool -- are you running the more stable of the builds? |
| 18:51.04 | bove2 | hi. anyone using Remoko? The app is stuck at "Waiting for connection ...". I've tried to connect to both a linux and a windows machine |
| 18:51.20 | [Rui] | largos: I'm running Om2008.9 |
| 18:52.03 | largos | [Rui]: ah, good to hear :) |
| 18:52.28 | [Rui] | largos: but I'm anxiously waiting for the Om fusion with FSO |
| 18:52.35 | [Rui] | which should come by early 2009 |
| 18:52.54 | largos | [Rui]: hm.. what is that? |
| 18:53.36 | [Rui] | largos: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO |
| 18:53.42 | [Rui] | largos: the future |
| 18:53.53 | largos | hehe |
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| 18:54.01 | [Rui] | largos: raster also has beein doing very nice images, and they are now FSO based. |
| 18:54.12 | [Rui] | largos: his latest is very nice, but I found it too unusable |
| 18:54.19 | largos | are there any major hardware changes planned? |
| 18:54.31 | largos | raster generally creates beautiful things :) |
| 18:54.52 | largos | has been hooked on E for.... ages |
| 18:57.22 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.55 | largos | thanks for the info, everyone. it sounds like I should run a couple of the software stacks emulated and order a freerunner :) |
| 18:58.14 | Kensan | Hire: it's the c860 |
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| 18:58.27 | Hire | thx :D |
| 18:59.04 | Kensan | Hire: I asked the same thing this afternoon and I remembered the answer ;) |
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| 19:05.49 | Kero | OK, I have gdbserver running on the Neo but which gdb should I run on the PC to connect to it? |
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| 19:08.38 | Kero | mm, gdb-cross ... |
| 19:09.21 | Kero | ...built, but no arm-linux-gdb |
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| 19:11.10 | Kero | arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gdb |
| 19:12.15 | Dave | :] |
| 19:13.39 | Kero | stack on PC side is no longer 0x0000, but still one entry. |
| 19:13.58 | Kero | Neo says "gdb: error initializing thread_db library: version mismatch between libthread_db and libpthread" |
| 19:15.18 | Kero | I do hope someone made a shell-script to use that arm-*-gdb on the PC with a remote arm-based machine, no? |
| 19:17.13 | bove2 | where are the "destop" folder on 2008.9? |
| 19:17.35 | bove2 | I need to find the command run by an icon |
| 19:22.46 | bove2 | am I allowed to paste in here? |
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| 19:23.33 | baze | is it possible to run clutter based widgets on the freerunner, or is it not because of the lack of 3d drivers? |
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| 19:26.08 | bove2 | Can anyone dechipher this terminal output: |
| 19:26.09 | bove2 | root@om-gta02:~# remoko |
| 19:26.09 | bove2 | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 19:26.09 | bove2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.09 | bove2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.09 | bove2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.10 | bove2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.12 | bove2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.14 | bove2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.16 | bove2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.18 | bove2 | ValueError: event type '0' already registered. |
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| 19:34.43 | exactt | bove2: sound like a common problem... hang on a sec |
| 19:36.01 | exactt | bove2: try this: Fortunately if you change the "init()" call on line 82 of |
| 19:36.01 | exactt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.01 | exactt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.35 | bove2 | 2 secs |
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| 19:47.37 | bove2 | that did not help |
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| 19:54.27 | bove2 | sry. it's seems my problem simply occoured because I was running trhough ssh witout specifying display=;0 |
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| 20:08.45 | GNUtoo | by the way why youtube plays fine but not others videos like mpeg2/4? |
| 20:09.04 | GNUtoo | as youtube i means flv container version |
| 20:09.20 | GNUtoo | (obviously in mplayer) |
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| 20:10.40 | bonkel89_ | #Pennergame.Fun |
| 20:10.50 | Tm_T | ... |
| 20:11.11 | Tm_T | someone ban all pennergameuser fellows, just to make it overkill |
| 20:11.24 | Wonka | sometimes i am ashamed of other germans... |
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| 20:18.15 | exactt | hi guys, just edited http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone . honestly i just added the first line. but now the whole layout got messed up... what is going on??? |
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| 20:23.29 | exactt | if i undo and preview even the old version is broken now... |
| 20:26.22 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07framework * r9c578aff0511 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: Fixed suspend/resume to take into account truly enabled GPS. |
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| 20:48.00 | nikolajsheller | I just received my frerunner today! |
| 20:48.21 | nikolajsheller | how do I determine the installed version of the SW? |
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| 20:50.43 | Kensan | nikolajsheller: does it look like this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Openmoko2007.2_home_screen.png ? |
| 20:51.09 | Kensan | nikolajsheller: then its om2007.2. You should probably flash a new kernel+rootfs. |
| 20:51.29 | nikolajsheller | kinda. Without the clock, date and second tomost bar |
| 20:51.56 | nikolajsheller | 2008.8? |
| 20:52.07 | Kensan | nikolajsheller: nope. 2008.8 looks radically different. |
| 20:52.33 | netx | nikolajsheller: it is 2007.2 |
| 20:52.34 | Kensan | nikolajsheller: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Om2008_home.png |
| 20:52.36 | nikolajsheller | thats ok. as long as it's faily usable |
| 20:52.44 | netx | by default, that does not have the time or top bar |
| 20:53.20 | netx | 2007.2 has some basic functionality, but it has a tonne of bugs and no one is working on it |
| 20:53.32 | Kensan | nikolajsheller: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 20:53.46 | netx | 2008.9 is the current version, and it is being worked on actively, but it also seems to have a lot of listed bugs |
| 20:53.58 | Kensan | nikolajsheller: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 20:54.01 | mwester | 2008.x replaces the basic functionality with almost zero functionality, and adds many new bugs, with a whole group of people working on it to do very little actually. |
| 20:54.05 | Kensan | nikolajsheller: the wiki contains a lot of info. |
| 20:54.35 | Kensan | mwester: hehe that's a nice summary rather negative though ;) |
| 20:54.45 | netx | mwester: yeah, i have delayed updating to 2008.9 for a while, b/c it seems to have so many bugs listed and so little visible progress |
| 20:55.00 | mwester | I call it like I see it :( |
| 20:55.03 | Kensan | mwester: don't scare of the fresh people :) |
| 20:55.20 | nikolajsheller | but is 2008.x usable? Some bugs are to be expected.. |
| 20:55.36 | mwester | Just setting expectations. Now if the fresh people want a good first impression of the phone, they should try FSO or Qtopia. |
| 20:55.36 | nikolajsheller | eek! *thows phone away* |
| 20:55.39 | netx | hey, i've had a freeruner for 4 months, and i still cannot reliably make and receive calls. kust being honest |
| 20:55.51 | Kensan | nikolajsheller: depends on your understanding of usable? |
| 20:55.53 | netx | i love the idea, but execution is awfully slow |
| 20:56.49 | nikolajsheller | well maybe I should install 2008.x and see if what happens |
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| 20:57.06 | nikolajsheller | guess I can allways downgrade |
| 20:57.10 | mwester | A year and a half since I paid $500 for a Neo and a debug board, and still there is no Openmoko software that can make it work as well as the dumbest phone on the market. Thank goodness there are other projects for the device! |
| 20:57.14 | Kensan | nikolajsheller: yeah, best thing is to try out all the different flavours, you can always reflash- |
| 20:58.10 | mwester | Yep, try the various projects -- get a feel for what they are trying to build, and see which one (or ones) feel best for you. Then see if you can help in any way on those projects. |
| 20:58.13 | Kensan | mwester: let's hope OM doesn't sign up for yet another iteration which leads to no end... |
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| 20:58.37 | mwester | Kensan: Didn't they just do that -- a new dialer was announced a few days ago ? |
| 20:58.44 | nikolajsheller | ok. Thanks for the status. (and honesty) |
| 20:59.19 | nikolajsheller | I'll be back methinks ;) |
| 20:59.40 | exactt | guess most of you have set up the toolchain already... i get following when running "make" on the sample app: |
| 20:59.49 | exactt | libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.la' |
| 21:00.14 | Kensan | mwester: I don't know, which mailinglist? I only follow devel & kernel |
| 21:00.16 | exactt | somehow the path got wrong... |
| 21:00.33 | exactt | anybody who can help me out? |
| 21:00.53 | mwester | Kensan: it was buried in one of the Engineering News articles. |
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| 21:01.53 | Kensan | mwester: oh ok. I skip those most of the time. |
| 21:03.18 | nikolajsheller | is it possible to flash from a 64 bit system? |
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| 21:03.35 | exactt | nikolajsheller: yes |
| 21:05.07 | nikolajsheller | exactt: ok? without using chroot? |
| 21:05.44 | exactt | nikolajsheller: actually i am using dfu-util in ubuntu 8.10 |
| 21:05.55 | exactt | which distro are you on? |
| 21:06.01 | nikolajsheller | 8.04 |
| 21:06.01 | slaxxin | the debian side is getting a few things done |
| 21:06.15 | exactt | try the .deb from 8.10 |
| 21:06.29 | exactt | according to the wiki it should work... |
| 21:07.02 | nikolajsheller | I'm using "dfu-util version 0.1+svn4160" |
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| 21:07.27 | nikolajsheller | ./dfu-util -l does not show the connected frerunner |
| 21:07.42 | exactt | http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/electronics/dfu-util |
| 21:07.58 | slaxxin | did u plug it in after starting dfu? |
| 21:07.59 | mjr | nikolajsheller, root |
| 21:08.15 | nikolajsheller | same with sudo ./dfu-util -l |
| 21:08.30 | mjr | nikolajsheller, no usb hubs in between? |
| 21:08.36 | nikolajsheller | nope |
| 21:08.37 | exactt | are you in uBoot (NOR) ? |
| 21:08.41 | nikolajsheller | nope |
| 21:08.46 | slaxxin | well |
| 21:08.54 | nikolajsheller | :) thanks (Y) |
| 21:09.06 | mjr | oh yeah, that should've been the first question, really... |
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| 21:09.26 | exactt | are you following http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner ? |
| 21:09.37 | slaxxin | nope |
| 21:09.57 | nikolajsheller | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Download_the_DFU-util_program |
| 21:10.20 | nikolajsheller | but that was obviously not the one to follow :) |
| 21:10.33 | exactt | Linux: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/dfu-util Make sure it is executable by setting the permissions with this command: chmod a+x dfu-util Note: dfu-util seems to consistently fail with a "-62" error on 64-bit Linux. If you have access to a 32-bit machine, use it instead! There are some ubuntu64 interpid packages which work just fine for me in hardy too. So you might try at your own risk: [1]. |
| 21:11.24 | slaxxin | u can uase a 64 bit machine with a 32 bit os on it\ |
| 21:12.04 | slaxxin | put a slax live cd in it |
| 21:12.19 | slaxxin | yaaaa hhaaaaaahahaha |
| 21:12.38 | nikolajsheller | yeah, but it would be easier to run it "straight" :) |
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| 21:13.17 | nikolajsheller | exactt seems to have a working solution for the 64 bit problem |
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| 21:14.03 | exactt | have you tried the intrepid deb? |
| 21:14.20 | exactt | i just installed it on 8.04 AMD64 |
| 21:14.36 | exactt | no probs so far... |
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| 21:15.26 | esthar | So I have 2008.9 and it seems to be unable to connect to Wifi and so I can't download any packages? |
| 21:16.13 | nikolajsheller | cool. I'll just try with the 0.1+svn4160 version. then fall back to the .deb with 0.0+r4067-3.1 |
| 21:16.13 | exactt | esthar: have you got usb networking running? |
| 21:16.27 | esthar | exactt: No, do I have to do that to get online? |
| 21:17.12 | exactt | esthar: no. but i installed mofi first via usb-networking... but you could also use the sd-card |
| 21:17.29 | exactt | esthar: with mofi i got wlan running... |
| 21:17.43 | slaxxin | look at /etc/resolv.conf an see if theres a public ip address in there |
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| 21:18.33 | esthar | exactt: Do you run FDOM or 2008.9 or what? |
| 21:18.39 | exactt | 2008.9 |
| 21:18.49 | slaxxin | fdom is ready to go |
| 21:19.11 | esthar | Hmm, maybe I should just get that then? |
| 21:19.44 | slaxxin | no just edit /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 21:20.04 | nikolajsheller | FDOM? |
| 21:20.08 | exactt | esthar: can you ping anything? |
| 21:20.32 | exactt | nikolajsheller: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM |
| 21:20.38 | zogg_ | You know that issue with events/0, well, it stops eating CPU in the same mystical fashion like it started. |
| 21:20.46 | nikolajsheller | hehe |
| 21:21.15 | slaxxin | then do these 3 lines as root |
| 21:21.17 | slaxxin | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 21:21.33 | slaxxin | sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 21:21.45 | slaxxin | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 21:22.02 | exactt | slaxxin: am i mssing something? esthar has problems with WiFi not usb-networking... |
| 21:22.09 | slaxxin | oo |
| 21:22.12 | slaxxin | sorry |
| 21:22.51 | esthar | I have not set up or used USB entworking though |
| 21:23.01 | esthar | But yes, my primary issue is broken Wifi with 2008.9 |
| 21:23.02 | slaxxin | downloading packages with wifi? |
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| 21:23.13 | esthar | Doesn't work... |
| 21:23.24 | slaxxin | is not a good plan |
| 21:23.27 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * ra72c8c56f3f5 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: |
| 21:23.27 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Revert "Fixed suspend/resume to take into account truly enabled GPS." |
| 21:23.27 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 9c578aff0511d548701b5be995b4215544d77f70 as the |
| 21:23.27 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: problem arises from a bug in the resource system where disabled |
| 21:23.27 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: resources will be resumed. |
| 21:23.31 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r26bf98bd4438 10/framework/resource.py: |
| 21:23.33 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: resource.py: Don't put a "disabled" resource into "suspended" state. |
| 21:23.35 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: If we call ok_callback() in Suspend() when encountering a disabled |
| 21:23.37 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: resource its next status will be "suspended" which is not what we want. |
| 21:23.39 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Instead call dbus_ok() directly. |
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| 21:24.16 | slaxxin | its only my opinion though |
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| 21:25.06 | esthar | As soon as I boot up the screen goes black and touching it does nothign |
| 21:25.24 | exactt | esthar: disable suspend |
| 21:25.34 | exactt | press power button to wake it up |
| 21:25.39 | slaxxin | well keep touching the screen |
| 21:25.49 | exactt | than go to settings to disabel it |
| 21:26.03 | esthar | Is suspend broken, or...? |
| 21:26.04 | slaxxin | then set the power management to 60 seconds |
| 21:27.03 | nikolajsheller | what would be the difference between: Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.rootfs.jffs2 and Om2008.9.rootfs.jffs2? |
| 21:27.10 | nikolajsheller | same date, same size |
| 21:27.11 | slaxxin | fdom worked fairly well |
| 21:27.22 | exactt | it;s a sym-link |
| 21:27.32 | exactt | so both are the same |
| 21:27.46 | nikolajsheller | ah. thank you once again! |
| 21:28.51 | nikolajsheller | would you recommend flashing the boot loader? wiki states: "NOTE: In most cases you don't need to flash your bootloader. " |
| 21:29.20 | nikolajsheller | aksing for troulbe? |
| 21:30.34 | exactt | as far as i know there ain't any advantage at the moment |
| 21:31.12 | exactt | but an the GTA02 it ain't a big deal anymore anyway because of the uBoot(NOR) |
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| 21:32.07 | nikolajsheller | and Om2008.9.splash.gz is the kernel? |
| 21:32.57 | nikolajsheller | nope the .bin file must be |
| 21:32.57 | nikolajsheller | Wiki: "The boot loader (U-boot) file should have a .bin extension." |
| 21:33.32 | nikolajsheller | I'm a bit confues as to where the kernel is located. in the .bin file or jffs2 file? |
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| 21:34.13 | exactt | kernel is a .bin file |
| 21:34.20 | exactt | for rootfs take the jffs2 |
| 21:34.52 | nikolajsheller | ok. the wiki states the .bin file is NAND boot loader.... |
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| 21:35.27 | exactt | in http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ would find a boot loader as well |
| 21:35.33 | exactt | you would |
| 21:35.54 | exactt | just skip the boot loader part for the moment |
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| 21:36.08 | nikolajsheller | lookin good so far |
| 21:36.36 | exactt | flashing is actually pretty straight forward i think... |
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| 21:37.40 | nikolajsheller | If this works, I'll agree with you :) |
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| 21:37.59 | slaxxin | ooo it will |
| 21:38.16 | slaxxin | what u puttin on abnyways? |
| 21:38.33 | nikolajsheller | *watches # in the shell* |
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| 21:38.43 | nikolajsheller | 2008.9 |
| 21:38.54 | slaxxin | well good luck |
| 21:38.58 | nikolajsheller | heh :) |
| 21:39.20 | nikolajsheller | what is your reccomendation? |
| 21:39.36 | slaxxin | debian on the 2+gig sdcard |
| 21:39.51 | slaxxin | an fdom on flash |
| 21:39.58 | nikolajsheller | debian? |
| 21:40.02 | slaxxin | unless your a developer |
| 21:40.30 | nikolajsheller | I would like to try and write a program or two... |
| 21:40.42 | nikolajsheller | for OpenMoko |
| 21:40.49 | slaxxin | buy a couple of 4 gig kingston microsd cards for 13.50 each |
| 21:41.28 | nikolajsheller | ok? and install different distributions? |
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| 21:42.52 | slaxxin | currently 2008.9 will eat 3 batterys a day |
| 21:43.08 | nikolajsheller | hmmmm |
| 21:43.25 | slaxxin | qt extended goes all day but still loses sound |
| 21:43.36 | slaxxin | sometimes |
| 21:44.01 | slaxxin | debian is gettin sweeter by the minuite |
| 21:44.10 | nikolajsheller | what kind of UI does your debian use? |
| 21:45.07 | slaxxin | well i have xfce with zhone on top |
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| 21:45.57 | nikolajsheller | ok? what about other programs? GPS? |
| 21:46.12 | slaxxin | but the default is just a zhone interface |
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| 21:46.36 | slaxxin | i have tangogps on debian an it works well |
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| 21:47.25 | slaxxin | fdom is loaded 2008.9 |
| 21:48.00 | slaxxin | if u want to develope maybe an empty image is in order |
| 21:48.52 | slaxxin | to use debian u might need to upgrade uboot depending what version u have |
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| 21:49.19 | nikolajsheller | "fdom is loaded 2008.9"? |
| 21:49.56 | nikolajsheller | I'm trying to grasp the distribuition system |
| 21:50.07 | ColdFyre | fdom is the 2008.9 |
| 21:50.14 | ColdFyre | plus tons of extra stuff |
| 21:50.22 | nikolajsheller | is 2008.x a distribution? |
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| 21:50.35 | ColdFyre | 2008.9 is the really bare distro |
| 21:50.36 | ColdFyre | yes |
| 21:50.46 | nikolajsheller | is fdom a repository that can be used by 2008.9= |
| 21:50.55 | ColdFyre | no, fdom is a distro |
| 21:51.01 | nikolajsheller | ok |
| 21:52.30 | nikolajsheller | w00t! It's booting! |
| 21:53.18 | nikolajsheller | so which distribution should I go with? |
| 21:53.28 | slaxxin | once it boots then reboot for good measure |
| 21:53.39 | nikolajsheller | I dont really understand why Openmoko has so many distros |
| 21:53.58 | nikolajsheller | ok...? |
| 21:53.59 | ezekiel-v3 | because it can |
| 21:54.02 | slaxxin | if u gonna write a program 2008.9 is good |
| 21:54.06 | ColdFyre | same reason linux has 462624 distros |
| 21:54.14 | ColdFyre | all about choice :) |
| 21:54.29 | Kensan | ColdFyre: in this case not really imho... |
| 21:54.37 | ezekiel-v3 | it's all about freedom |
| 21:54.45 | slaxxin | shr is to wait for |
| 21:54.58 | nikolajsheller | I can understand different companies with different distros.... but open moko with... what 6? |
| 21:55.11 | slaxxin | its a foot race |
| 21:55.19 | Kensan | ColdFyre: it's because too many people are too disappointed with what OM has brought to the table so far... |
| 21:55.22 | Kensan | imho |
| 21:55.25 | ezekiel-v3 | OM has one that they focus on - the OM200x.x releases |
| 21:55.29 | slaxxin | still in discover mode |
| 21:55.50 | nikolajsheller | ok. fair enough |
| 21:56.40 | nikolajsheller | I'll fool around with a couple of distros |
| 21:57.23 | Kensan | nikolajsheller: ok, be sure to come here and tell us what you have found out :) |
| 21:58.16 | nikolajsheller | exactt, slaxxin, ColdFyre, Kensan: thank you for all your help so far. I'll be back to ask more questions and report my findings |
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| 21:59.11 | slaxxin | check out neopwn |
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| 21:59.46 | slaxxin | http://www.neopwn.com/ |
| 22:00.01 | Dave | SURPRISE |
| 22:00.16 | slaxxin | super dave |
| 22:00.31 | ColdFyre | HA @ neopwn |
| 22:00.45 | ColdFyre | thinks his neo is going to land him in prison for taking down ATT |
| 22:01.11 | slaxxin | remotely |
| 22:01.32 | Dave | Huzzah! |
| 22:01.42 | slaxxin | some german hacker really has controll of your neo |
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| 22:02.04 | ColdFyre | really? even though the battery is out? |
| 22:02.12 | slaxxin | prolly |
| 22:02.28 | ColdFyre | now i have excuses for my actions |
| 22:02.36 | Dave | heh |
| 22:02.48 | Kensan | slaxxin: or does he? *muahahaha* |
| 22:03.25 | Dave | bum bum bum |
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| 22:03.38 | slaxxin | some remote chip that doesnt require any software |
| 22:06.11 | ColdFyre | hah that neopwn look like the most functional distro yet |
| 22:06.39 | Kensan | ColdFyre: unfortunately the sources to the distro are not open afaict |
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| 22:07.01 | ColdFyre | oh well :p |
| 22:07.18 | ColdFyre | so, i think i'm going to attempt a gentoo distro |
| 22:09.10 | toggles_w | ColdFyre: would you like some fish with your rice? ;-) |
| 22:09.47 | ColdFyre | that joke went over my head :| |
| 22:10.17 | toggles_w | gentoo people are called ricers, like the kids that soup up honda civic |
| 22:10.40 | toggles_w | same sort of thing, like to tweak their distros, like the civic kids |
| 22:10.56 | holycow | you know |
| 22:11.06 | holycow | like putting spoilers on front wheel drive vehicles |
| 22:11.09 | toggles_w | i dunno, i like gentoo, i run it on all my mcahines |
| 22:11.34 | ColdFyre | i do doo |
| 22:11.40 | ColdFyre | my work laptop runs it |
| 22:11.41 | toggles_w | package management is sane, it works and when you like to help fix software there is nothing like a -9999 ebuild |
| 22:11.50 | ColdFyre | hah |
| 22:12.12 | ColdFyre | i will be the ultimate ladies man when i show off my phone running gentoo |
| 22:12.32 | toggles_w | yeah, i have 5 computers in my house running gentoo and i wiped the xp at work and installed gentoo much to the disdain of the is department |
| 22:12.42 | Tig| | ladyboy possibly but you will not meet women :P |
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| 22:12.56 | toggles_w | dont bother getting their digits though, you wont be able to call! ;-) |
| 22:13.11 | ColdFyre | HA |
| 22:13.15 | ColdFyre | true :( |
| 22:13.24 | ColdFyre | i can't even think of a dialer off hand |
| 22:15.43 | ieatlint | toggles_w, the difference between me and a ricer, is that i don't have a comically oversized spoiler that creates drag |
| 22:16.15 | ieatlint | oh, and i don't participate in behaviour that risks the lives of others through my lack of adherence to laws and common sense :) |
| 22:16.33 | ieatlint | but yeah, gentoo rules |
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| 22:18.04 | toggles_w | i'm a big fan, i learnt a lot about how linux works just installing it ;-) |
| 22:18.32 | ieatlint | indeed... you learn a lot about problem solving |
| 22:18.50 | ieatlint | and the knowledge generally isn't gentoo-specific (unless it's a portage issue, heh) |
| 22:21.58 | toggles_w | yeah, there is nothing to compare to a friday night at home with a beer watching gcc output during a stage1 |
| 22:21.58 | ColdFyre | someone pirate neopwn |
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| 22:23.06 | ieatlint | stage1 isn't worth it |
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| 22:23.28 | ColdFyre | toggles_w: i watch it from vnc on my phone while at the club in my VIP table |
| 22:23.35 | ieatlint | i make a base and then recompile libc and the base on the native/current gcc |
| 22:23.54 | toggles_w | ColdFyre: lol |
| 22:24.05 | ieatlint | why not just use ssh/screen? :P |
| 22:24.16 | ColdFyre | the girls come up "what are you doing" "watching gcc and binutils compile" |
| 22:24.29 | toggles_w | ohhh yeah, binutils... |
| 22:24.36 | toggles_w | say it again |
| 22:25.10 | ColdFyre | this laser stylus too just tops it |
| 22:25.19 | ieatlint | ColdFyre, find a copyright holder for software being used on "neopwn" and get them complain that they're violating the gpl |
| 22:25.40 | ColdFyre | ieatlint: already on it |
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| 22:26.20 | ColdFyre | there is no readily found contact info |
| 22:26.31 | ieatlint | if they're an actual distriubtor, then i bet openmoko would love to hear about it too |
| 22:27.15 | ColdFyre | i'll email them tonight pretending to be interested and fish out info, and then read the lawyers |
| 22:27.22 | ColdFyre | ready,too |
| 22:28.22 | Tig| | ColdFyre: actually they only have to distribute sources to their customers |
| 22:28.38 | ieatlint | Tig|, not true |
| 22:28.54 | ieatlint | they have to freely make the sources of all GPL software available to all |
| 22:29.25 | Tig| | ieatlint: are you sure on that? |
| 22:30.04 | Dave | LINT |
| 22:30.29 | ieatlint | relatively |
| 22:30.30 | ieatlint | hey dave |
| 22:30.42 | Dave | relatively dave? |
| 22:31.37 | toggles_w | 42 |
| 22:32.09 | Dave | You're right! |
| 22:32.13 | Dave | gives toggles a gold star |
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| 22:33.36 | toggles_w | bows |
| 22:34.07 | ColdFyre | ./gold_star: libcairo.so.0 not found |
| 22:35.17 | toggles_w | ColdFyre: revdep-rebuild -X should fix it |
| 22:36.08 | Tig| | ieatlint: I think you will find they are only obligated to distribute the sources to the people that they have distributed the binaries too (assuming GPL v2) |
| 22:37.02 | ColdFyre | linux humor > * |
| 22:37.21 | Tig| | There would be nothing to stop a person who they distributed the sources too sending them to others though |
| 22:37.55 | slaxxin | im gonna buy a sdcard |
| 22:38.05 | ieatlint | Tig|, looking into it, you are correct, as long as they are selling unmodified versions of the code |
| 22:38.09 | Tig| | (assuming all the sources they were sent were under a distributable licence) |
| 22:38.53 | Tig| | ieatlint: even if they were modifying it then they would only have to supply the modified versions to the people they had supplied the binaries to |
| 22:39.02 | Tig| | modified sources |
| 22:40.03 | ieatlint | nope |
| 22:40.15 | lindi- | 3a or 3b? |
| 22:40.21 | ieatlint | because the GPL requires that you release all modifications freely if you make your modifications in any way public |
| 22:41.12 | lindi- | ieatlint: section 3 gives you three options |
| 22:41.15 | Wonka | GPL even requires to release the sources of all modifications to whoever receives the modifications |
| 22:41.20 | Wonka | even if nonpublic |
| 22:41.42 | Wonka | but especially if public, of course |
| 22:41.46 | Tig| | ieatlint: nope, it says you have to release the source modifications to who ever you distribute the software to |
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| 22:42.30 | lindi- | Tig|: yep if you distribute the source with the binaries |
| 22:42.49 | ieatlint | the gpl is just a mess :P |
| 22:43.02 | Wonka | lindi-: also if they just distribute binaries. |
| 22:43.05 | ColdFyre | so literally one eprson buys it, and they give the source out because it must be provided to the buyer |
| 22:43.15 | Wonka | ColdFyre: ack |
| 22:43.16 | lindi- | Wonka: if they just distribute binaries they are using 3b? |
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| 22:43.31 | ColdFyre | wrong? |
| 22:43.35 | Wonka | lindi-: no, if they distribute binaries, they must distribute sources too |
| 22:44.09 | lindi- | Wonka: yes in 3b they can distribute binaries along with a written offer to get the sources |
| 22:44.21 | Tig| | lindi-: yes although distributing the source is not technically needed but you must make it available, 99% of the time nowadays people put it on a website because it is easier but the GPL does allow it to be made available on suitable media and a reasonable charge for the blank media to be applied |
| 22:45.05 | Tig| | (when the GPL2 was written the net was not what it is now :) |
| 22:45.07 | lindi- | Tig|: yeah the term is "accompany" |
| 22:45.22 | Wonka | by the way, LaF0rge is here *hilight* - he drives gpl-violations.org and might be interested in neopwn.com not distributing sources |
| 22:45.42 | lindi- | Wonka: last time i checked gpl-violations.org had infinitely long queue :P |
| 22:46.17 | Tig| | Wonka: but they could be just not to you unless they had distributed GPL binaries to you! |
| 22:46.57 | Wonka | Tig|: correct |
| 22:47.07 | Dave | Wonka :p |
| 22:47.12 | Wonka | Tig|: that's my reading too |
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| 22:48.11 | Wonka | ey! |
| 22:48.20 | Wonka | that was not my intention! |
| 22:48.56 | Dave | Start a holy war! |
| 22:48.58 | Tig| | Right for example, Dave sells Wonka a modified version of GCC, Dave has to provide Wonka a copy of the modified sources licensed under the GPL. I cannot turn around to Dave and demand access to those sources under the GPL |
| 22:49.22 | Tig| | Wonka however is free to distribute those modified sources under the GPL |
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| 22:50.32 | Wonka | Tig|: that's how I understood it too |
| 22:50.47 | Tig| | Wonka: phew :) |
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| 22:51.03 | Dave | clearly neopwn was done by foreigners |
| 22:51.05 | Dave | or ten year olds |
| 22:51.19 | Dave | indicative of their spelling and grammatical usage :p |
| 22:51.24 | Tig| | Dave: look at the name |
| 22:52.01 | Dave | huhu |
| 22:52.10 | Dave | okay, true enough :P |
| 22:52.13 | Dave | fucking intarwebs |
| 22:53.13 | Tig| | I am waiting for LoLCr@X the kitten themed pen testing distro done by IT pr0z for sH!t and Kittenz LOL!!!!111 |
| 22:53.34 | Dave | What. |
| 22:53.35 | ColdFyre | wat |
| 22:53.39 | Dave | Exactly. |
| 22:53.50 | Dave | Tig needs some MOTIVATION. |
| 22:53.56 | ColdFyre | is this AOL or 4chan |
| 22:53.59 | Tig| | I can see that going down well on a report :P |
| 22:54.01 | Dave | hahaha |
| 22:54.42 | Tig| | ColdFyre: nah both of those have better luck with their hardware bugs :) |
| 22:55.27 | ColdFyre | they charge on all USB power sources |
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| 22:56.35 | ieatlint | Tig|, what qualifies as "suitable media"? |
| 22:56.47 | ieatlint | can i put the source on cassette tapes and offer them? |
| 22:57.52 | Tig| | ieatlint: the exact terminology is in the GPL |
| 22:58.02 | Dave | heh |
| 22:58.14 | phobie | is it possible to update om2007.02 to om2008.09 just with opkg? |
| 22:58.16 | holycow | 8 track ftw! |
| 22:58.21 | Tig| | ieatlint: b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three |
| 22:58.22 | Tig| | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.22 | Tig| | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.22 | Tig| | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.22 | Tig| | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.22 | Tig| | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.07 | Tig| | A cassette tape is no longer commonly used for software interchange :) not since the Sinclair Spectrum :) |
| 22:59.19 | ljp | whay?!? |
| 22:59.38 | Wonka | hysterical reasons |
| 22:59.44 | Dave | :D |
| 22:59.47 | lindi- | extreme networks sent me source code in a usb stick |
| 22:59.50 | Dave | holycow : |
| 22:59.51 | Dave | :D |
| 23:00.11 | Dave | lindi, isn't that today's espionage item of choice? |
| 23:00.13 | ieatlint | "customarily" is open for debate :) |
| 23:00.14 | ljp | fax is still used |
| 23:00.26 | lindi- | ljp: but not machine-readable :) |
| 23:00.32 | ljp | sure it is |
| 23:00.33 | Wonka | ljp: for software interchange? |
| 23:00.36 | ieatlint | cassette is the de facto method on numerous computers |
| 23:00.39 | ljp | :) why not |
| 23:00.40 | Tig| | ljp: for software interchange? |
| 23:00.40 | Wonka | lindi-: apt-get install gocr |
| 23:00.55 | ieatlint | (the computers may date back to the 1980s) |
| 23:00.55 | Wonka | lindi-: or some 2d barcode stuff :) |
| 23:01.19 | Wonka | lindi-: there were computer magazines distributing software in 2d barcodes to be scanned with 300dpi hand scanners... |
| 23:01.21 | ljp | i heard of some encryption code that was faxed out of the US |
| 23:01.37 | Wonka | ljp: i only know of PGP exported in book form |
| 23:02.04 | mwester | You might be amazed to see what's still in the telephone switch room in a lot of older places, esp. government buildings. Cassette tapes no, but QIC-24 or older, yep. |
| 23:02.09 | Tig| | I think the important phrases here are "were" and "commonly used" in reference to the time the GPL is applied |
| 23:02.25 | lindi- | Wonka: yeah but that's not customary :P |
| 23:02.28 | Dave | haha |
| 23:02.44 | mwester | phobie: The answer to your question (amid all this GPL noise) is "no". |
| 23:03.48 | Tig| | tbh if someone was trying to be really arsey and tried to give the source out on something like 8 track and somehow got it past a legal challenge in some backwater you would see the fastest 8 track decoder designs springing up on /, |
| 23:04.32 | Wonka | mmh... there are softmodems doing up to 36.6 kbps, afaik... |
| 23:04.34 | phobie | mwester: thanks for your view through the noise |
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| 23:05.23 | Dave | sooooooooooooooooo |
| 23:05.27 | Dave | starcraft on the freerunner? |
| 23:05.35 | techiem2-r | rofl |
| 23:05.38 | phobie | I thought it would be like apt/dpkg. I ohne dist-upgraded from debian to ubuntu and back without reinstalling... |
| 23:05.51 | Tig| | mwester: 2007 ---> 2008.9 via opkg? |
| 23:06.09 | mwester | phobie: There are those who wish it to be so, but it is not so currently. |
| 23:06.10 | phobie | Tig| that was my question |
| 23:06.29 | Wonka | Dave: i'd rather have a minesweeper where i actually can flag mines |
| 23:07.03 | Tig| | phobie: I would think a reflash is easier, make sure you back up your data first, remember the GPE apps and the QT apps can't read each other's data |
| 23:07.14 | mwester | phobie: The ideal, IMO, is to end up like Gnome/KDE/etc, but at the moment we are like Debian/Fedora/etc. |
| 23:07.29 | phobie | :) |
| 23:07.52 | Dave | hahahaha, true :P |
| 23:07.54 | Dave | that's really annoying |
| 23:08.03 | Dave | all the distros pretty much have one, but you can't flag mines :P |
| 23:08.21 | mwester | thought he was just doing it wrong. |
| 23:08.22 | techiem2-r | you can in the 2008.x one..if you click just right |
| 23:08.37 | Tig| | thank fuck we can make phone calls and send sms |
| 23:08.44 | mwester | We can? |
| 23:08.48 | Tig| | oops |
| 23:08.48 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 23:09.04 | phobie | A silly bug is that all my contacts from my simcard are interpreted wrong. I prefixed all numbers with there international code "+45..." but the software omits the "+" and all numbers are wrong |
| 23:09.20 | techiem2-r | hehe |
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| 23:09.49 | techiem2-r | the main annoyance I noticed is that when using the qtopia apps in 2008.x to send a message, you have to use the raw number with no -s in it |
| 23:10.00 | techiem2-r | apparently it's not smart enough to cut them out itself |
| 23:10.06 | Wonka | to be true... GPRS is more important to me at the moment than GSM. i have a working phone in my pocket, but not a GPS appliance than can download missing maps. |
| 23:10.08 | sicu | phobie: annoying :/ guess you'll have to exchange the + with 00 until it gets dealt with |
| 23:10.20 | Tig| | waves hand : but the base stack is stable now which is why all the openhand stuff was dropped for qtopia |
| 23:10.29 | lindi- | phobie: you can fix the bug? |
| 23:10.32 | phobie | a lot of work |
| 23:10.38 | lindi- | phobie: which software does the omiting? |
| 23:10.49 | phobie | if it's in python I can fix it |
| 23:10.59 | phobie | if in C, I won't :) |
| 23:12.12 | holycow | funny you you didn't say you can't |
| 23:12.26 | phobie | yes, I know... |
| 23:13.00 | phobie | C is not made to fall in love with it. |
| 23:13.25 | holycow | i wish everything was in lisp |
| 23:13.30 | holycow | :D |
| 23:14.22 | mwester | There's a shortage of parenthesis; we can't afford to write something so complex in lisp. |
| 23:14.52 | holycow | hehe |
| 23:15.13 | mwester | Apparently braces are also on the endangered list, which is why python had to go back to the old FORTRAN days and use indentation instead. |
| 23:15.27 | Tig| | you can't use parenthesis over gsm as they curve around and return to the sender |
| 23:15.37 | Tig| | or is that boomerangs? |
| 23:15.44 | holycow | *whack* |
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| 23:16.02 | raster | holycow: your wish would be my hell. |
| 23:16.03 | raster | :) |
| 23:16.09 | raster | slaps holycow with a C trout |
| 23:16.13 | holycow | lol |
| 23:16.21 | Tig| | one of them has a use and the others are abused by lisp programmers :) |
| 23:17.09 | mwester | has been in the third level of Hell all day today. (the Java level) |
| 23:17.20 | Tig| | raster: don't you need to compile the C trout first? |
| 23:17.25 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 23:17.25 | raster | mwester: ewwww. poor bugger |
| 23:18.05 | raster | Tig|: i have mine pre-compiled and waiting for a slappin' |
| 23:18.24 | Tig| | with whizzy shiny gfx? :) |
| 23:18.26 | mwester | Can anyone explain why on earth someone would define an ant task that would fire up a batch file (windows), that in turn invoked ant on another task??? |
| 23:18.49 | raster | Tig|: of course! how could it be anything else! |
| 23:18.49 | Wonka | assembles an as86 trout and hits Tig| between the eyes with it |
| 23:19.01 | Tig| | mwester: job boredom and a hatred of people |
| 23:19.09 | mwester | The problem isn't so much Java itself as the lack of well-rounded knowlege possesed by most business-java-coders. |
| 23:19.27 | Wonka | eclipse ftw |
| 23:19.35 | Tetracomm | Hello. |
| 23:19.44 | Tig| | Wonka: alas although your trout is very fast it is very small and not portable :P |
| 23:19.45 | Tetracomm | What is the recommended screen resolution for the OpenMoko? |
| 23:19.46 | raster | mwester: i like to attribute the problem to java. makes me feel good. |
| 23:19.47 | raster | :) |
| 23:20.10 | Wonka | Tig|: the joke was meant to be the "assemble" part |
| 23:20.16 | raster | Tetracomm: 40x25 |
| 23:20.17 | mwester | I do to, but however poor a language it is, in the end it is just a tool. |
| 23:20.33 | Tetracomm | What? |
| 23:20.36 | Tetracomm | Not that |
| 23:20.40 | Wonka | mwester: and a fool with a tool is still a fool... |
| 23:20.40 | raster | hehehe |
| 23:20.44 | raster | why do u need to know? |
| 23:20.45 | Tetracomm | For videos and images. |
| 23:21.03 | Wonka | Tig|: what about 480x640 then? |
| 23:21.04 | Tetracomm | I am creating a script that will resize videos automatically depending on the mobile device's screen. |
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| 23:21.08 | Wonka | Tetracomm: what about 480x640 then? |
| 23:21.13 | Tig| | Tetracomm: the screen is 640x480 iirc |
| 23:21.13 | Wonka | Tig|: not you |
| 23:21.14 | raster | depends if u view fullscreen or not |
| 23:21.16 | Tetracomm | Yes. :) |
| 23:21.19 | raster | also depends how fast u want decode |
| 23:21.24 | raster | if its an image - not relevant |
| 23:21.32 | raster | if tis video res will determine fps playback |
| 23:21.41 | Tetracomm | I want a resolution which will enable them to fill the screen, but won't take up too much memory. |
| 23:21.49 | raster | ie 480x640 or 640x480 will decode much more slowly than 320x240 (and then scaled up) |
| 23:21.51 | mwester | qvga mode? |
| 23:21.57 | raster | but u then losw quality in 320x240 |
| 23:21.58 | raster | etc.... |
| 23:22.07 | Tig| | Wonka: i know hence the comment about your trout being very small and not portable |
| 23:22.11 | Tig| | :) |
| 23:22.15 | mwester | btw, does qvga still work in the recent kernels and window managers, et al |
| 23:22.17 | mwester | ? |
| 23:22.32 | holycow | Tig|: carefull how you phrase that |
| 23:22.36 | holycow | sounds kinky |
| 23:22.46 | Tetracomm | Ok, so 320x240 will always look decent? |
| 23:22.56 | raster | mwester: works with e+illume like a charm. but xglamo is most unhappy about setting up qvga lcd timings etc and the toucscreen input is borked too as it doesnt get scaled |
| 23:22.59 | Tig| | is trout a euphemism that I am not aware of? |
| 23:23.23 | mwester | raster: I hope someone fixes that... |
| 23:23.23 | raster | waves his trout about |
| 23:23.40 | raster | mwester: so do i... actually... i dont much care. it looks like arse anyway |
| 23:23.41 | raster | :) |
| 23:23.56 | Tetracomm | Which looks better? |
| 23:24.01 | raster | (and not the lcd timing mess - the blockiness thansk to pixel doubling) |
| 23:24.14 | Tetracomm | At which resolution will the phone not have to stretch the video? |
| 23:24.27 | raster | my treo650's 320x320 is much nicer than 320x240 on the FR |
| 23:24.41 | raster | TeringTuby: the screen is 480x640 (default) |
| 23:24.47 | raster | or if u rotate landcape 640x480 |
| 23:25.09 | Wonka | Tig|: in other news, the smaller a weapon is, the more man-portable it is |
| 23:25.13 | Tetracomm | Fine, 320x240 it is. |
| 23:25.25 | Dave | RASTER |
| 23:25.26 | Dave | It's you! |
| 23:25.34 | raster | denies that allegation |
| 23:25.42 | Tig| | warning nothing gets past Dave |
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| 23:25.57 | Dave | >:) |
| 23:25.57 | raster | ponders why his textblock cursor does wierd jumps as he edits text |
| 23:26.08 | Dave | Raster, it's excited to see you :p |
| 23:26.19 | Tig| | raster: I blame those E devs |
| 23:26.33 | raster | slaps himself appropriately |
| 23:26.42 | Tig| | with a trout? |
| 23:26.59 | raster | Tig|: no. i have a special slapping impliment just for myself |
| 23:28.10 | Tig| | speaking of which, are you planning on putting the source for your E based media centre/player up anywhere? as it kind of fits what I need but am using MythTV atm the moment which is overkill |
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| 23:29.35 | raster | Tig|: been in svn for years... |
| 23:29.44 | raster | i put almost al my stuff in svn |
| 23:29.47 | raster | svn is my release mechanism |
| 23:29.51 | Tig| | oops |
| 23:29.53 | raster | is a lazy developer |
| 23:30.09 | raster | just think of every commit as a release |
| 23:30.21 | Tig| | sorry then I will have a browse, tbh I rarely browse svn as I am a lazy sysadmin :) |
| 23:30.24 | raster | it comes with a whole release blurbe (log)! |
| 23:30.26 | raster | :) |
| 23:30.26 | DocScrutinizer | smiles |
| 23:30.55 | Tig| | cool :) |
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| 23:36.35 | Tig| | right bed time for me, night all |
| 23:39.40 | Dave | Joerg! |
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| 23:39.51 | Dave | commits raster |
| 23:40.38 | raster | conflicts |
| 23:40.57 | techiem2-r | lol |
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