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| 00:01.39 | lesouvage | With fdom I had the googlemap repository available. I haven't write it down and now I don't have it anymore. Does anbody of you has fdom running and can check the googlemap repository? Thanks in advance |
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| 00:02.35 | sicu | slaxxin: any particular reason for 2-4 gig and not higher ... other than price ofc |
| 00:02.56 | DocScrutinizer | not with FR |
| 00:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | 16GB verified |
| 00:03.56 | DocScrutinizer | IIRC, 8GB for sure |
| 00:04.06 | lesouvage | If I connect my freerunner to my Macbook the Macbook let me kow that "a new network interface has been detected" and give me the option to set configure the new interface. |
| 00:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | yup, usual |
| 00:04.33 | slaxxin | price only |
| 00:04.40 | ott-- | i have an 8 GB transcend running. i haven't seen a 16 GB microSD yet |
| 00:05.31 | slaxxin | i bought a 2 gig an 2 4gigs |
| 00:05.31 | techiem2-r | 16GB have been verified? |
| 00:05.44 | DocScrutinizer | yeah hard to find, maybe U have to wait another 4 weeks for them to appear in every shop |
| 00:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | techiem2-r: not sure about that |
| 00:06.10 | slaxxin | 4 gig 13.50 delivered |
| 00:06.17 | ott-- | i have seen a 16 GB SD (sandisk), but not microSD |
| 00:06.34 | techiem2-r | ok |
| 00:06.38 | techiem2-r | cuz the wiki says up to 8 |
| 00:06.40 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 00:06.43 | techiem2-r | I like my 8 |
| 00:06.54 | slaxxin | kingston |
| 00:07.47 | sicu | ott--: http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=173933 |
| 00:07.53 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.provantage.com/sandisk-sdsdq-016g-a11m~7SNDK2P3.htm |
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| 00:11.51 | donomo | whats the current best-practice way to do testing for an android app? android.test? p-unit? |
| 00:12.06 | sicu | i'm ruined ... the one i found was $75.36, whilst docs one was $75.34 |
| 00:12.16 | donomo | whoops wrong channel :) |
| 00:12.37 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 00:13.29 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 00:13.58 | slaxxin | 2-3 8 gigs would be better right now |
| 00:17.20 | lesouvage | How do I set up the wlan conection with fso. I made it to configuration but I can't scroll down to option that are out of the screen. |
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| 00:26.34 | esthar | Hi, I've got a new FR with 2007.2 on it. I've read about the different distributions, and I've decided to try Om 2008.9 but shortly after moving to FDOM |
| 00:27.07 | esthar | Do I have to flash to 2008.8 directly first in order to get to 2008.9? Or can I go from 2007.2 --> 2008.9 --> FDOM? |
| 00:29.51 | sicu | no point in going for .8 ... just go directly for 2008.9 |
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| 00:32.06 | weirdedout | sicu: you can flash the latest image from here http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ |
| 00:34.43 | weirdedout | sorry meant for esthar. sicu, looks ike you beat me to it :-) |
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| 02:09.49 | slaxxin | will we get it tomorrow? |
| 02:13.10 | sicu | doubtful |
| 02:13.22 | sicu | uhmm, will we get what? ;p |
| 02:15.22 | swc|666 | chlamydia? |
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| 02:35.22 | timur | ok, took out the sd card, ran the agps test program for 3 hours and got no fix... any advice? |
| 02:35.28 | timur | i'd say 3 hours is a bit too much |
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| 02:40.00 | techiem2-r | freerunner out in open air straight up? |
| 02:40.19 | timur | freerunner not in open air and not straight up |
| 02:40.35 | timur | but still, i figured after 3 hours it should get a fix |
| 02:40.47 | techiem2-r | trying to get a signal inside isn't likely to work |
| 02:41.11 | timur | ok, i'm gonna go outside for 10 minutes and try it |
| 02:41.31 | techiem2-r | I think I sat about 30 for my ttff |
| 02:41.41 | techiem2-r | outside with FR sitting in mug |
| 02:41.42 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 02:44.00 | slaxxin | ftp://ftp.sysdev.org/pub/lintools/EBS/readme.txt |
| 02:44.12 | slaxxin | did ya reboot it ? |
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| 02:48.54 | timur | ok, outside without sd it works quite a bit better |
| 02:49.01 | timur | 48s to get a first fix |
| 02:49.13 | timur | and i didn't reboot it, but seems like it doesn't matter |
| 02:49.23 | slaxxin | i think it was the reboot:) |
| 02:49.42 | timur | haha |
| 02:49.51 | timur | this is not an M$ product ;) |
| 02:50.03 | slaxxin | it acts like 1 though |
| 02:51.00 | slaxxin | at this point anyways |
| 02:51.09 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.19 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.55 | ljp | is that becauise you dont have to mess with it to use it as a phone? |
| 02:52.19 | slaxxin | thats because the battery stays up |
| 02:52.36 | slaxxin | bluetooth works |
| 02:52.51 | ljp | ya,we give the battery viagra |
| 02:52.56 | ljp | :) |
| 02:53.19 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 02:53.25 | slaxxin | is that what raster refers to a tickless kernel? |
| 02:54.45 | slaxxin | no? |
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| 02:56.02 | slaxxin | ljp whats the mapping gps program i need? |
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| 02:58.13 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxin: don't think qtopia has a different kernel. |
| 02:58.19 | slaxxin | oo |
| 02:58.40 | DocScrutinizer | tickless or better zero-clock is a completely different thing |
| 02:59.12 | slaxxin | images/i486/slx128-1.3.7-boot-hda-i486-1.bin |
| 02:59.12 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.12 | slaxxin | images/i486/slx128-1.3.7-rootfs-hda1-i486-1.bin |
| 02:59.12 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.44 | slaxxin | i have some microsdcards to play with |
| 02:59.53 | techiem2-r | slack on fr? |
| 03:00.14 | slaxxin | thats what im thinking |
| 03:00.21 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.24 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 03:01.01 | slaxxin | my little 512mem card is good for notning else |
| 03:01.14 | techiem2-r | mhm |
| 03:01.19 | techiem2-r | might as well test stuff on it |
| 03:01.23 | DocScrutinizer | use for plektrum |
| 03:03.25 | slaxxin | did u read neopwn? |
| 03:03.55 | slaxxin | 79 dollar 2gig sdcard? |
| 03:04.43 | techiem2-r | yeah |
| 03:05.00 | techiem2-r | cool project, but seems a bit pricey |
| 03:05.06 | slaxxin | yea |
| 03:05.41 | esthar | Anyone tried the new 16GB microSD cards in the FR? |
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| 03:09.54 | raster | ticks slaxxin |
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| 03:35.56 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rfef3e43576da 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_actions.py: oeventsd: Don't start the AudioAction in the RingToneAction if the volume is set to 0 |
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| 03:54.39 | slaxxin | oo god no ive been ticked |
| 03:55.00 | slaxxin | now im ticked |
| 03:55.37 | ljp | better than being tickled by raster |
| 04:03.49 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rf24421e9ce9e 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_actions.py: oeventsd: Access preferences service via DBus, instead of using direct python access |
| 04:04.10 | raster | tickles ljp |
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| 05:03.58 | wakwe | i'm having a problem with joining an unsecured network. my wpa_supplicant.conf and my wlan are both taken directly from the wiki but i'm getting the error "ioctl[PRISM2_IOCTL_HOSTAPD]: operation not supported |
| 05:04.02 | wakwe | anyone have an idea? |
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| 05:14.11 | rooly|away | what's the name of the settings app in 2008.8+? |
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| 06:30.34 | beni_ | is it enough to keep my phone reasonable recent to do "opkg upgrades" and flash a new kernel (+ copy over the new modules) every now and then? |
| 06:30.50 | beni_ | or is there some magic in the rootfs that is not inside some opkg? |
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| 06:54.45 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:51.42 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r43911cc45026 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 08:51.42 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Added a 'Test' Trigger |
| 08:51.42 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This is useful for testing the rules. |
| 08:52.04 | zoltan_ | hello - has anyone used qemu-neo1973 with the -gta02fake option? |
| 08:52.26 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r1cf949bc11af 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: Added events interface |
| 08:54.19 | gromez | is it ok to have at the same time FSO testing and unstable feeds in my opkg conf ? (there are updates in testing which are not in unstable) |
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| 09:37.53 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick * r4712 10/developers/tick/scripts/sshn: [tick] a simple script helps to connect to Neo |
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| 12:15.43 | emilis_info | fso stability is alie |
| 12:15.44 | emilis_info | :( |
| 12:16.58 | Shlee | FSO is written in Python to allow for rapid development.. once the api is perfected |
| 12:17.10 | Shlee | they'll move to c.. and you'll have speed/stability |
| 12:17.24 | Shlee | Don't expect stability during the milestones.. just have faith |
| 12:17.35 | beni_ | Shlee: they move to C if _neccessary_ |
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| 12:18.53 | mickeyl | emilis_info: FSO is pretty solid. |
| 12:18.53 | max_posedon | beni_, if all api won't move to C, progremers won't be able to programm in any language except Python. |
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| 12:19.00 | mickeyl | It's probably that you misperceive what FSO is |
| 12:19.06 | mickeyl | FSO is middleware |
| 12:19.18 | mickeyl | i.e. _not_ the zhone UI |
| 12:19.23 | emilis_info | heh |
| 12:19.25 | emilis_info | whatever |
| 12:19.41 | _Bill_ | max_posedon: that's exactly why they use dbus |
| 12:19.42 | emilis_info | just found out that my wife is unable to call me and I don't receive SMS |
| 12:19.46 | mickeyl | no, not whatever. it makes a big difference. you can't blame middleware when the error is in UI |
| 12:19.52 | _Bill_ | the only api will be on dbus level |
| 12:19.57 | mickeyl | unless you wrote your own program using fso |
| 12:19.59 | _Bill_ | so it can be accessed in any language |
| 12:20.01 | emilis_info | I don't think it is UI |
| 12:20.14 | mickeyl | emilis_info: appreciating logs |
| 12:20.40 | emilis_info | there was a strange gsm disconnect after reboot,auth with PIN,connect |
| 12:20.59 | emilis_info | mickeyl, how do I make the logs? |
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| 12:22.44 | mickeyl | running ms3 or later versions? |
| 12:22.52 | mickeyl | basically you configure /etc/frameworkd.conf |
| 12:22.58 | mickeyl | log_level, log_to, log_destination |
| 12:24.03 | emilis_info | ms3 |
| 12:24.38 | emilis_info | how do I log a call from outside that is denied by a gsm provider? |
| 12:24.38 | emilis_info | :) |
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| 12:25.54 | emilis_info | mickeyl, I don't see the log_* vars defined in /etc/frameworkd.conf |
| 12:26.11 | emilis_info | what section should they be in, and what values should they have? |
| 12:27.50 | alphaone | emilis_info: log_destination log_to should be set in the [frameworkd] section log_level can be set in any section and will affect log level of that subsystem |
| 12:27.53 | gromez | under [frameworkd] section |
| 12:28.20 | emilis_info | what values are ok for log_level? |
| 12:28.21 | alphaone | log_to = file, log_destination = /path/to/file |
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| 12:28.30 | alphaone | and log_level = DEBUG |
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| 12:29.56 | emilis_info | aren't log_to and log_destination redundant? |
| 12:30.20 | mickeyl | no |
| 12:30.22 | mickeyl | see |
| 12:30.25 | mickeyl | log_to = stderr |
| 12:30.27 | mickeyl | log_to = syslog |
| 12:30.30 | mickeyl | log_to = file |
| 12:30.33 | mickeyl | for the latter you need |
| 12:30.38 | mickeyl | log_destination = /tmp/foo/bar |
| 12:31.30 | emilis_info | aaaah |
| 12:31.35 | emilis_info | now I get it :) |
| 12:31.38 | emilis_info | thx |
| 12:32.12 | mickeyl | np |
| 12:32.17 | emilis_info | :) |
| 12:32.35 | emilis_info | so... should I debug just gsmd, or something else? |
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| 12:32.48 | mickeyl | best thing is probably to make it [frameworkd] |
| 12:32.50 | mickeyl | hence globally |
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| 12:32.56 | mickeyl | so we have as much stuff as possible |
| 12:33.04 | mickeyl | and then do your phone calls etc. |
| 12:33.11 | mickeyl | and we see what's happening |
| 12:33.21 | emilis_info | ok |
| 12:33.29 | emilis_info | where do I send the logs after this? |
| 12:33.47 | mickeyl | smartphones-userland |
| 12:33.49 | rhkfin | Anyone have their hands on evince? Some kind of 'close' function is needed in the presentation mode: you only can close (=kill) it with ssh or shutdown Freerunner.. |
| 12:33.52 | mickeyl | @linuxtogo.lorg |
| 12:33.54 | mickeyl | or... rather |
| 12:33.58 | mickeyl | to me directly |
| 12:34.01 | mickeyl | since it may contain private data |
| 12:34.10 | mickeyl | mickey@openmoko.org then |
| 12:34.23 | raster | i really need to make power button pop up a control menu |
| 12:34.29 | raster | not do the whole hold to power down |
| 12:34.31 | raster | and suspend |
| 12:34.40 | mickeyl | ya |
| 12:34.43 | raster | and that means getting aux/power as keys again. |
| 12:34.43 | mickeyl | like i did in 2007 |
| 12:34.45 | emilis_info | I'll strip the PIN from logs |
| 12:34.46 | raster | yup |
| 12:34.50 | raster | thats the good way |
| 12:34.54 | raster | we have so few buttons |
| 12:34.56 | emilis_info | I doubt there will be anything else personal :) |
| 12:34.59 | raster | dotn dedicate them to 1 thing |
| 12:35.04 | raster | use them as an emergency control |
| 12:35.05 | mickeyl | people want a short press to go to suspend |
| 12:35.12 | mickeyl | but will enjoy a hold for a menu |
| 12:35.25 | raster | mickeyl: hmm |
| 12:35.31 | mickeyl | i still need to talk to the kernel folks wrt. supressing power keys on resume |
| 12:35.35 | raster | well i would opt for short press for pmenu |
| 12:35.37 | raster | long for shutdown |
| 12:35.41 | raster | myself... |
| 12:35.45 | raster | but its all configurable! |
| 12:35.55 | raster | as long as i'm allowed to expose the config dialogs... |
| 12:35.58 | raster | which i will.. |
| 12:35.58 | raster | damnit |
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| 12:36.23 | mickeyl | heh |
| 12:36.31 | SpeedEvil | Hide them! |
| 12:36.41 | SpeedEvil | Put them only on a gesture interface! |
| 12:36.48 | SpeedEvil | And post the dances on youtube! |
| 12:36.54 | raster | i need to do surgery to e's default config dialogs |
| 12:37.03 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: :D |
| 12:37.13 | raster | but for at least some i have a plan that hopefulyl will make them work on a small screen like the fr "out of the box" |
| 12:37.19 | raster | anwyay |
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| 12:37.23 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 12:37.23 | BobOfDoom | hmm.. I wonder if we can add a blood sensor.. |
| 12:37.24 | raster | back to fixing up illumes app control |
| 12:37.29 | raster | that silly window list with HOME |
| 12:37.30 | raster | has to go |
| 12:37.34 | BobOfDoom | make ritual sacrifice part of the incantation to open config dialog |
| 12:37.38 | raster | (well become an option) |
| 12:37.52 | Kred | Hi ho! Hey I've been trying to identify a way to program for OM. Could someone give me a hint, if Qt app is a good option? |
| 12:39.11 | raster | if u ask me... i don't like qt |
| 12:39.22 | raster | and forcing everyone to either pay a license fee |
| 12:39.29 | mickeyl | sure, Qt is an amazing app framework if you like C++ |
| 12:39.32 | raster | or make their stuff gpl goes against my ideas of open/freedom |
| 12:39.39 | mickeyl | just check whether it's fast enough for you on the FR |
| 12:39.41 | raster | and i'm not a fan of c++ |
| 12:39.43 | raster | but... |
| 12:39.44 | raster | that's me |
| 12:39.45 | raster | :) |
| 12:39.46 | bubak | kred: the easiest way to start for me was fso |
| 12:39.55 | Kred | No no I. I want to be as free as possible |
| 12:40.07 | Kred | I was thinking of Python, but wiki didn't have a lot about it |
| 12:40.33 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r8b30ba2ef856 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (qtopia-phone-x11/qtopia.sh qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb): Revert "[qtopia] Remove LD_LIBRARY_PATH from the profile" |
| 12:40.34 | Kred | I'm not quite sure what combination (FSO + something..) is the "best" |
| 12:40.53 | bubak | kred: if fso will be your choice, the freesmartphone wiki has some tutorials and honts to start |
| 12:40.53 | mickeyl | first decide on the language you like |
| 12:40.56 | mickeyl | then decide on the toolkit |
| 12:41.02 | mickeyl | imo |
| 12:41.15 | mickeyl | (depending on the app constraints, of course) |
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| 12:41.58 | Kred | I can do any language so that's not a problem |
| 12:42.27 | raster | generally choose the language you know best |
| 12:42.29 | raster | but |
| 12:42.32 | raster | it depends |
| 12:42.36 | Kred | bubak: I'll do that. What are you using atm? |
| 12:42.40 | raster | what kind of app is it |
| 12:42.44 | raster | compute intensive? |
| 12:42.48 | raster | interactive (game)? |
| 12:42.58 | raster | simple basic widgets + filling in forms? |
| 12:43.01 | raster | ... |
| 12:43.12 | raster | in fact first decide WHAT u want to make |
| 12:43.23 | raster | THEN decide what toolkit for whihc lang may help best |
| 12:43.34 | raster | then weigh your toolkit optiosn and language prefs |
| 12:43.36 | raster | based on that |
| 12:43.43 | Kred | raster: not cpu intesive. Viewing picture feed over wlan |
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| 12:44.01 | Kred | Right. That sounds smart |
| 12:44.04 | BobOfDoom | Kred: like a slideshow? |
| 12:45.08 | Kred | BobOfDoom: no.. Actually I haven't looked up the details. It's just a security camera over here that has some sort of feed that browser can display |
| 12:45.44 | raster | hmm |
| 12:45.48 | Kred | I'd guess gif since it updates like every second or something |
| 12:45.53 | raster | so actually its compute intensive |
| 12:45.56 | raster | oh |
| 12:46.00 | raster | once a second |
| 12:46.15 | raster | you have a lot of freedom there |
| 12:46.18 | Kred | But I was interested of your opinions how to break in my self |
| 12:46.21 | BobOfDoom | mm |
| 12:46.21 | raster | python is probably adequate |
| 12:46.46 | raster | not my chocie tho |
| 12:46.48 | raster | i'd do it in c |
| 12:46.51 | raster | and use efl |
| 12:46.53 | raster | but... |
| 12:46.54 | zash | Kred: online webcams usualy is jpeg. reloading once a sec or something |
| 12:46.55 | raster | i'm biased |
| 12:46.56 | raster | :) |
| 12:46.58 | Kred | I've been reading blogs, wiki and community list and lurking here reading people chat. I've been trying to find the best way to start. |
| 12:47.27 | raster | (as iu know the app would be really small and simple in c and efl as efl can alreayd handle all the http fetching and loading.displan and scaling of the image and any basic ui i need) |
| 12:47.42 | Kred | raster: that's good to know |
| 12:47.43 | zash | bash |
| 12:47.44 | zash | ftw |
| 12:47.47 | raster | but.. |
| 12:47.50 | raster | i'm biased |
| 12:47.52 | raster | :) |
| 12:48.04 | raster | i wrote most of efl's core |
| 12:48.05 | raster | :) |
| 12:48.11 | raster | and i'm a c-whore |
| 12:48.14 | raster | if its not c |
| 12:48.18 | raster | its not programming |
| 12:48.22 | raster | (unless its asm) |
| 12:48.22 | raster | :) |
| 12:48.26 | Kred | ouch :D |
| 12:48.40 | zash | while true; do wget http://thewebcam/image.jpg; x-view-image image.jpg & sleep 1 && kill %1; done |
| 12:48.41 | raster | <- C whore |
| 12:48.55 | Kred | what about brainfuck? |
| 12:48.57 | BobOfDoom | zash: heh.. yeah that's what I was thinking too |
| 12:49.07 | Kred | zash: that's too easy :P |
| 12:49.13 | zash | BobOfDoom: duno if the parralelism works thou |
| 12:49.23 | zash | Kred: easy = good |
| 12:49.31 | Kred | Ja |
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| 12:49.50 | zash | less code = awesome |
| 12:49.58 | Kred | What do you think.. is it going to be easy to get Cisco VPN client to work on FR? |
| 12:50.14 | BobOfDoom | Kred: well your main options with Python are PyGTK, PyQT, and EFL (although there's not bindings for everything in EFL) |
| 12:50.26 | BobOfDoom | wxWidgets sucks on FR |
| 12:50.33 | BobOfDoom | it's slow as hell |
| 12:50.37 | BobOfDoom | at least when I tried it |
| 12:50.44 | zash | Kred: is there a cisco vpn client that works on random whatever random linux dist? |
| 12:50.47 | max_posedon | wxWidgets sucks at all) |
| 12:50.53 | zash | wxruby! |
| 12:51.00 | Kred | zash: there should be yes |
| 12:51.17 | Kred | I'm not sure if it has a guiless option |
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| 12:51.42 | Kred | That'd make sure it would work, but if it insists on using say GTK or Qt.. |
| 12:52.04 | zash | vpn .. with gui? |
| 12:52.05 | zash | what le hell |
| 12:52.27 | BobOfDoom | oh, and I suppose there's Tk.. I never looked at it though |
| 12:52.30 | emilis_info | whoa... can't open dialer/contacts/messages in zhone... |
| 12:52.32 | Kred | Well that's what it is with Cisco and Mac. Again, I'm not sure if there's option not to have such |
| 12:52.44 | emilis_info | and frameworkd.conf log is not working |
| 12:53.08 | zash | Kred: iduno abouth cisco, but openvpn don't need any gui |
| 12:53.18 | zash | a vpn driver shouldn need a gui |
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| 12:53.43 | Kred | zash: right. Well I have to test that one out |
| 12:54.40 | zash | Kred: you could probably ask cisco |
| 12:56.40 | cuqot | vpnc works on the fr |
| 12:56.42 | Kred | roger that |
| 12:57.25 | cuqot | http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/vpnc_0.5.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 12:59.00 | Kred | Thanks |
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| 12:59.32 | cuqot | ywc |
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| 13:32.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r8c62554c07b7 10/packages/accelges/accelges_svn.bb: [accelges] PV fixes |
| 13:32.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * raf51b0a596f5 10/packages/remoko/remoko-server_svn.bb: [remoko-server] PV fixes |
| 13:32.56 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r8a737bf521d4 10/packages/remoko/remoko_svn.bb: [remoko] PV fixes |
| 13:32.58 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rb5553f8907d0 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (qtopia-phone-x11/qtopia.sh qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev |
| 13:32.58 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rcf525f00c1dc 10/packages/smpeg/smpeg_svn.bb: [smpeg] PV fixes |
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| 13:37.22 | sledgeas | hello |
| 13:37.48 | sledgeas | is FR (om2008.9) charging itself (USB/AC) when suspended? |
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| 13:39.04 | avtobiff | how do i type numbers with the on screen keyboard in om2008.9? |
| 13:39.33 | max_posedon | avtobiff, check the topic) |
| 13:40.06 | avtobiff | max_posedon, thanks. sorry for not looking there first. |
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| 13:46.05 | avtobiff | \o/ |
| 13:47.08 | avtobiff | it is possible to have om on nand flash and then (for instance) debin on the microsd, at the same time right?! |
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| 13:48.02 | max_posedon | yes |
| 13:51.41 | sledgeas | is FR (om2008.9) charging itself (USB/AC) when suspended? |
| 13:51.54 | [Rui] | raster: after reading your explanation of how the predictive typing works, I tried it out and loved it instantly. now all I need is to make a portuguese word statistics file :) |
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| 13:53.51 | raster | [Rui]: thats a problem as the utf8 stuff is broken |
| 13:54.06 | raster | so u'll need to skip words with é ñ etc. etc. |
| 13:54.08 | [Rui] | raster: could you repeat that please? I just cleaned my screen a fraction of second after you answered :) |
| 13:54.17 | raster | [Rui]: thats a problem as the utf8 stuff is broken |
| 13:54.20 | raster | so u'll need to skip words with é ñ etc. etc. |
| 13:54.24 | raster | i do need to fix it |
| 13:54.35 | raster | and thats scheduled for a dictionary format revamp |
| 13:54.39 | [Rui] | raster: yes, 1st version would have stuff like: não => nao :) |
| 13:54.44 | raster | but... got a milliong things to do |
| 13:54.48 | raster | cool |
| 13:54.55 | raster | as long as you keep it in ascii it will work |
| 13:55.11 | raster | if u dont like the correction - just use terminal kbd layout |
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| 13:55.15 | [Rui] | raster: any easy 1, 2, 3 instruction set for making the dawg files? |
| 13:55.16 | raster | or make your own layouts u like |
| 13:55.17 | raster | :) |
| 13:55.30 | raster | the illume kbd doenst use dawg files |
| 13:55.33 | raster | plain text |
| 13:55.39 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r700269a4c10d 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 13:55.39 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: odevice: fix parameter direction in org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.SetState and org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.GetState. Thanks Ainulindale for |
| 13:55.39 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: spotting. |
| 13:55.42 | raster | cat them :) |
| 13:55.45 | raster | word freq |
| 13:55.46 | [Rui] | raster: or that :) ok... |
| 13:55.47 | raster | word2 freq |
| 13:55.50 | raster | etrc. |
| 13:55.51 | raster | BUT |
| 13:55.53 | raster | that will change |
| 13:56.32 | [Rui] | if it still has the word + freq data, the work to do one kind of file isn't wasted anyway, how soon you expect that to be changed? |
| 13:56.35 | [Rui] | 1 month? |
| 13:56.37 | [Rui] | more? |
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| 13:57.06 | raster | i donyt know |
| 13:57.13 | raster | i have a mountain of things i want to do |
| 13:57.14 | Dave | Hello Raster |
| 13:57.15 | raster | need to |
| 13:57.19 | raster | but no one pays me for this |
| 13:57.25 | raster | so its "when i get to it" |
| 13:57.25 | Dave | I got your image for the treo on hack&dev :) |
| 13:57.47 | raster | Dave: :) |
| 13:58.00 | raster | slowly.. the world will be conqored... |
| 13:58.04 | [Rui] | raster: done when it's done is a fine enough measure for me :) |
| 13:58.10 | BobOfDoom | :D |
| 13:58.12 | Dave | Yeah, you must be well renowned by now. |
| 13:58.33 | raster | i'm moving that silly window lost from the top-shelf putting back the old 3 big buttons i originally had in illume |
| 13:58.55 | raster | Dave: my mission for now is to conquor 2 phone platforms |
| 13:59.02 | raster | have a fully usable "desktop shell" |
| 13:59.07 | raster | ie stuff to manage and launch apps |
| 13:59.13 | raster | and otherwise get system status |
| 13:59.20 | raster | configure that stuff |
| 13:59.28 | raster | and do input (eg vkbd) |
| 13:59.35 | raster | ie all the bits outside actual apps |
| 13:59.51 | raster | THEN my plan is to start conquoring just the phone bits |
| 13:59.57 | Dave | Raster :) |
| 14:00.12 | raster | and thats when fso integration should get much more on my todo list |
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| 14:00.22 | Dave | Maybe someday I'll invest in your domination :) |
| 14:00.30 | raster | as i intend to provide dialler, contacts, sms (Edit/read) |
| 14:00.48 | raster | and at that stage... "job done" |
| 14:00.49 | Dave | Raster, I also just installed angstrom and using opie on a zire72 |
| 14:00.57 | raster | i'll worry abotu what comes next after that |
| 14:00.57 | raster | :) |
| 14:00.59 | Dave | to try it out, so far it's not bad :) |
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| 14:01.06 | raster | maybe i'll do a redo of rage |
| 14:01.09 | raster | using elementary |
| 14:01.17 | raster | and make a mini video/audio media center for mobile |
| 14:01.20 | Dave | yeah, seems like since you leaked that info, people are all over it |
| 14:01.34 | Dave | Personally, I don't see what the big deal is. |
| 14:01.52 | raster | dunno |
| 14:01.54 | Dave | Then again, I'm not a layman user, who has relied on say, myth, their entire life. |
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| 14:02.02 | raster | this is just me conquoring the mobile/mebedded world with e |
| 14:02.05 | raster | in tow... |
| 14:02.06 | raster | :) |
| 14:02.07 | Dave | Eventually I got tired of it and just rolled my own interface. |
| 14:02.11 | Dave | hehe |
| 14:02.15 | Dave | Good job, Raster :) |
| 14:02.16 | raster | same |
| 14:02.21 | raster | well i didnt get tired of myth |
| 14:02.23 | raster | i looked at it |
| 14:02.24 | Dave | Slowly your evil plan is coming to fruition! |
| 14:02.25 | raster | went "ewwwww" |
| 14:02.27 | raster | and rolled my own |
| 14:02.29 | Dave | right |
| 14:02.39 | raster | the great bit is |
| 14:02.40 | Dave | I didn't say eww, but I said, this is not what I want! |
| 14:02.44 | raster | efl just does so much for u already |
| 14:02.50 | raster | its more like a technic lego set |
| 14:02.52 | Dave | Isn't it great? |
| 14:02.54 | Dave | YEAH |
| 14:03.00 | raster | u just plug the pieces together to make anything u like |
| 14:03.04 | Dave | you just put the pieces together in a different configuration to suit you :) |
| 14:03.07 | raster | you do need knowledge |
| 14:03.08 | Dave | ! :) |
| 14:03.10 | raster | but if u have it |
| 14:03.15 | raster | nothing is a barrier |
| 14:03.16 | Dave | you seem to have a wealth of it ;) |
| 14:03.22 | Dave | maybe that's why you're so awesome :p |
| 14:03.26 | raster | hahaha |
| 14:03.27 | raster | nah |
| 14:03.31 | Dave | you can whip things together in no itme |
| 14:03.32 | Dave | time |
| 14:03.40 | raster | i've just been doing this for so long its burned into the inside of my skull |
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| 14:05.07 | raster | man it looks so much nicer to have the 3 buttons back |
| 14:05.33 | mickeyl | fixed X? |
| 14:05.41 | raster | ? |
| 14:05.44 | raster | oh no |
| 14:05.47 | mickeyl | oh soft buttons |
| 14:05.50 | mickeyl | not the hw buttons |
| 14:05.51 | raster | u know the original 3 button illume? |
| 14:05.56 | mickeyl | yap |
| 14:05.59 | raster | apps/hom e/close |
| 14:06.03 | raster | i'm bringin it back |
| 14:06.06 | mickeyl | cool |
| 14:06.07 | raster | its an option |
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| 14:06.14 | raster | and by default on in illume |
| 14:06.22 | raster | asu can have it off and keep their home + window list |
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| 14:07.00 | Dave | heh |
| 14:07.17 | Dave | raster, good shit |
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| 14:07.25 | Dave | yeah that three-button was pretty sweet |
| 14:07.35 | Dave | heh, asu |
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| 14:07.50 | Dave | now, if only I could get usb networking working on this palm... |
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| 14:08.07 | raster | i personally think its nicer |
| 14:08.12 | raster | its easier to "go home" |
| 14:08.14 | raster | easier to close |
| 14:08.18 | Dave | sure |
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| 14:08.23 | BobOfDoom | Dave: on treo? |
| 14:08.33 | raster | and the window-list of other apps is mostly hidden from u at first click so not to confuse |
| 14:08.38 | raster | but its just 1 more click away |
| 14:09.44 | mickeyl | like that |
| 14:10.12 | Dave | nah, on this z72 |
| 14:10.15 | Flyser | raster: is there still enough space for the status icons? (gsm, battery, wlan, ...) |
| 14:10.21 | Dave | getting errors :| |
| 14:10.37 | Flyser | (speaking of the freerunner screen) |
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| 14:10.43 | raster | Flyser: yes |
| 14:10.48 | raster | that is the same as before |
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| 14:11.26 | dolf1074 | small question: does anybody how to launch the message program of the om2008.9 from the terminal? |
| 14:11.43 | dolf1074 | small question: does anybody know how to launch the message program of the om2008.9 from the terminal? |
| 14:11.53 | Flyser | dolf1074: my guess: openmoko-messages? |
| 14:12.14 | dolf1074 | that's a command my freerunner don't recognize |
| 14:12.31 | Dave | oh haha oops |
| 14:13.16 | dolf1074 | should it in the om 2008.9? |
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| 14:14.03 | beni_ | it would be cool that if someone clicks on the battery icon, it will show how much energy is left |
| 14:14.34 | raster | beni_: i'll add that stuff to e/eillume when i get to it |
| 14:14.44 | cjb_ie | what, in mWh? |
| 14:15.14 | [Rui] | btw I got back to Om2008.9 after trying raster's FSO. did anyone manage to get sound on calls? |
| 14:15.23 | Dave | damnit |
| 14:15.38 | Dave | Starting interface failed. |
| 14:15.51 | mickeyl | i bet that sound problem is just a missing dependency |
| 14:15.57 | raster | ok |
| 14:16.01 | mickeyl | but until people send me logs, i will not investigate |
| 14:16.03 | raster | snoozies |
| 14:16.05 | mickeyl | since it's too much digging in the dark |
| 14:16.07 | mickeyl | g'night raster |
| 14:16.13 | raster | nite! |
| 14:16.31 | [Rui] | raster: nite |
| 14:17.04 | Dave | later raster |
| 14:17.08 | [Rui] | mickeyl: I would bet it too, what kind of logs would you want? logread? |
| 14:17.21 | Dave | anyone here ever used opie? |
| 14:17.28 | mickeyl | see OpenmokoFramework => how to provide logs |
| 14:17.31 | [Rui] | mickeyl: you do understand I'm talking about raster's FSO pointed to the FSO's repo... |
| 14:17.44 | [Rui] | mickeyl: and not plain FSO |
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| 14:17.50 | mickeyl | yes i understand that |
| 14:18.04 | [Rui] | mickeyl: ok, I thought you'd only check stuff on OM's images :) |
| 14:18.23 | mickeyl | if i can help by inspecting a log, i will |
| 14:18.28 | mickeyl | i have no time to flash all kinds of images though |
| 14:18.40 | mickeyl | is former Opie core developer, but resigned two years ago |
| 14:18.48 | mickeyl | Dave: does that count? :) |
| 14:19.26 | Dave | hehe |
| 14:19.38 | Dave | Well, maybe, not sure how much you actually USED it ;) |
| 14:19.42 | mickeyl | true |
| 14:19.46 | [Rui] | mickeyl: of course... I've mainly been sticking with 2008.x because of bugs... |
| 14:19.53 | [Rui] | mickeyl: is that short sighted? |
| 14:20.07 | mickeyl | always depends on what you actually need |
| 14:20.11 | mickeyl | day2day phone |
| 14:20.11 | Dave | mickeyl, just having some usb networking problems I'm not sure you could help alleviate :) |
| 14:20.12 | mickeyl | or devel platofrm |
| 14:20.14 | Dave | right |
| 14:20.24 | [Rui] | shleps... just finished a wicked beer+mustard sauce chicken |
| 14:20.29 | mickeyl | Dave: ah, well, that's more or less out of the scope of Opie and more system level |
| 14:20.47 | mickeyl | [Rui]: the good thing is Om2009 will be using FSO |
| 14:20.55 | mickeyl | then we all share a common base |
| 14:21.06 | mickeyl | since 3rd party distros will hopefully also use FSO |
| 14:21.14 | [Rui] | mickeyl: I need a day2day phone, which is the other reason I am with 2008.x, but I'm willing to try devel stuff at weekends or when I'm in vacations (as I will be until wednesday inclusve) |
| 14:21.16 | mickeyl | (with minor exceptions such as Nokia, of course) |
| 14:21.36 | [Rui] | mickeyl: lol |
| 14:21.50 | Dave | mickeyl: yeah, I guess :| |
| 14:22.00 | Flyser | raster: do you have any roadmap for elementary? |
| 14:22.27 | dolf1074 | mickeyl: Om2009 around summer? or earlier? |
| 14:22.50 | Dave | mickeyl, yeah, considering it fails to "Start" the Loopback device (lo) ... |
| 14:22.54 | Dave | I'd say there's a problem ;) |
| 14:22.59 | mickeyl | dolf1074: that's hard to predict as it is currently in its infancies. Om tries to launch Om2009 w/ 03 whenever this will be ready... |
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| 14:23.58 | Pyrasi | hi all |
| 14:24.45 | Pyrasi | I just installed Debian on my moko...any suggestions for programs that run well? (besides the ones listed on the wiki) |
| 14:24.51 | Pyrasi | maybe a game or two? |
| 14:25.32 | Flyser | Pyrasi: games ... numpty physics, duke3d, ... |
| 14:25.39 | dolf1074 | yeah, but what are the expectations? (I know the future can't be predicted and that there are many things you handle. But there is a difference between starting something today and wanted finished by summer or within 2 months. Even if you only look at the motivation of the people working on it) |
| 14:25.40 | Dave | heh |
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| 14:26.10 | avtobiff | i have followed http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart#Set_up_USB-based_networking.2C_SSH_and_update but i am still not able to install openmoko-mediaplayer2 |
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| 14:27.05 | avtobiff | my freerunner seems to be able to perform opkg update, but it is not able to ping or wget anything |
| 14:29.31 | gromez | mickeyl: for the "no sound problem", you just need a log of a call or a complete log ? |
| 14:29.37 | Pyrasi | Flyser: oh...are there ports of those for debian? |
| 14:30.04 | Pyrasi | well....i guess i knew numptyphysics had one...duke3d i didnt though |
| 14:30.22 | mickeyl | gromez: a full log. from starting frameworkd until the end of the actual calll |
| 14:30.31 | mickeyl | w/ log_level=DEBUG at best |
| 14:30.42 | Flyser | Pyrasi: no need to port, thanks to the linux kernel the binary formats of oe and debian are compatible :p |
| 14:31.21 | Pyrasi | oh...nice |
| 14:31.38 | gromez | mickeyl: ok i'll do that and reboot |
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| 14:33.36 | gromez | mickeyl: if i set a file path to "log_to", it will log into that file ? |
| 14:36.14 | mickeyl | no |
| 14:36.16 | mickeyl | if you set |
| 14:36.16 | gromez | mickeyl: nvm, found it |
| 14:36.17 | mickeyl | log_to = file |
| 14:36.22 | mickeyl | then log_destination = /var/foo/tmp |
| 14:36.29 | gromez | yes, thanks |
| 14:37.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * r731d2590e669 10/src/ (10 files in 3 dirs): |
| 14:37.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: - Draft of Device.PowerSupply. |
| 14:37.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: - Typo in IdleNotifier header. |
| 14:37.54 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * r44ac0a73055c 10/src/frameworkd-glib-dbus.c: - Included power supply in main. (typo) |
| 14:39.30 | exactt | avtobiff: i also try to get my network running... |
| 14:40.11 | exactt | what are you running on the openmoko and what is you rdesktop distro? |
| 14:40.40 | avtobiff | exactt, i got it now |
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| 14:41.56 | exactt | avttobiff: what was your problem? how did you solve it? |
| 14:42.14 | avtobiff | exactt, don't know exactly what the problem was tough but it works now. just reconfigured the ip forwarding on the host computer |
| 14:43.19 | avtobiff | exactt, and added rules to forward DNS queries |
| 14:44.02 | exactt | avttobiff: okay thx. also had it running already, but than i installed FDOM and something must have changed... |
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| 14:52.36 | gromez | mickeyl: just send you my log file |
| 14:56.55 | mickeyl | cool, thanks |
| 14:56.58 | mickeyl | will have a look |
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| 15:03.10 | mwester | mickeyl: Kernel changes for resume/power button --- I recall the email, but I'm not sure what needs to be suppressed -- I assume that the initial power button even upon resume is to be eaten? |
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| 15:04.12 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 15:04.22 | mickeyl | that would make userland's life simpler |
| 15:04.27 | mickeyl | i think other systems do that |
| 15:04.48 | mickeyl | swallowing the hold and resume for the 'awakening' press |
| 15:04.54 | Pyrasi | can you install opks in debian? can i just type deb -i on an opkg? |
| 15:04.54 | mickeyl | s/hold/press/ |
| 15:04.57 | mickeyl | s/resume/release/ |
| 15:05.03 | mickeyl | heh |
| 15:05.06 | mickeyl | apt can't cope w/ multiple sed's |
| 15:05.10 | mickeyl | ~lart apt |
| 15:05.10 | apt | shoots mickeyl in his sleep |
| 15:05.26 | mwester | Ok, since nobody has done that since your email, I'll take a look. Are there other wake events that need similar suppression? (Aux? Headphone button?) |
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| 15:06.58 | mickeyl | AUX is no longer resuming |
| 15:07.09 | mickeyl | for headphone it's ok as we need to deal with the headphone event |
| 15:07.15 | mickeyl | (changing audio scenario) |
| 15:07.18 | mickeyl | so it's really just the power button |
| 15:07.24 | mickeyl | thanks a lot! |
| 15:07.27 | LaF0rge | hi all (esp. mickey) |
| 15:07.39 | mickeyl | moinmoin |
| 15:07.47 | LaF0rge | mickey: I have a hacked-up-by-hand upstart 0.5.0 based FSO image |
| 15:07.52 | mickeyl | whew |
| 15:07.57 | mickeyl | URI? |
| 15:08.18 | LaF0rge | mickey: not online right now. I'm trying to get it into OE but fighting strange autoconf + OE interaction for the last 5 hours |
| 15:08.39 | Dave | Mwester! |
| 15:08.46 | mickeyl | LaF0rge: ya, someone broke it |
| 15:08.51 | mickeyl | LaF0rge: the powers are fixing it atm. |
| 15:08.56 | LaF0rge | upstart 0.5.0 really doesn't like the autoreconf |
| 15:08.56 | mickeyl | LaF0rge: (gettext/e2fsprogs/) |
| 15:09.00 | mickeyl | oh |
| 15:09.08 | mickeyl | that's another thing then |
| 15:09.11 | mickeyl | beat it to it! :) |
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| 15:09.25 | LaF0rge | mickeyl: well, right now i would love if there was a way to just skip autoreconf |
| 15:09.38 | mickeyl | try: |
| 15:09.41 | mickeyl | do_configure() { |
| 15:09.48 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.50 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.50 | mickeyl | } |
| 15:11.51 | Dave | configize? |
| 15:13.05 | mwester | bend the language to your needs, not the other way around ;) (That's why I can't understand the point of Latin ;) |
| 15:13.29 | Dave | :p |
| 15:16.48 | LaF0rge | mickey: thanks, works |
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| 15:18.46 | Amorphous | is it still correct that an updated 2008.8 is the same as an updated 2008.9 ? |
| 15:19.09 | Tm_T | Amorphous: should be |
| 15:19.27 | Amorphous | thank you |
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| 15:19.55 | Tm_T | though I'm merely a bystander so how should I know (;) |
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| 15:24.01 | dolf1074 | Amorphous: It's still that way |
| 15:24.31 | Amorphous | ok thank you |
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| 15:25.29 | Pyrasi | can you install opks in debian? can i just type deb -i on an opkg? |
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| 15:28.07 | lindi- | Pyrasi: better just create debian packages? |
| 15:29.25 | dolf1074 | Does somebody knows why the latest 'testing' images are from Tuesday last week? |
| 15:30.21 | mwester | Yes |
| 15:30.30 | dolf1074 | why? |
| 15:30.36 | mwester | Build failures. |
| 15:30.43 | dolf1074 | ah ok. |
| 15:30.47 | mwester | I understand someone is fixing them. |
| 15:31.23 | dolf1074 | So it's not because they have stopped with the base image or something like that. |
| 15:31.35 | dolf1074 | That's a releave |
| 15:35.24 | XorA | I probably should fixup the scripts to push the build report to devel@ |
| 15:35.42 | XorA | or use oestats like zecke suggested |
| 15:38.44 | avtobiff | what is the keylock package named? |
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| 15:42.37 | Ghiottone | hello. does anybody know if it is possible to use neo1973's debug board with an hp ipaq 3670 ? |
| 15:43.04 | Ghiottone | s/3670/3760/ |
| 15:43.12 | mickeyl | it's a plain JTAG board, that should work if you have access to the ipaq's JTAG points |
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| 15:45.22 | Ghiottone | mickeyl, great thanks! |
| 15:46.54 | mwester | mickeyl: There are two potential events reported on resume -- power pressed, and power released -- I assume that both should be suppressed? |
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| 15:50.42 | mickeyl | mwester: yes |
| 15:50.57 | mickeyl | i think everything else would be inconsistent |
| 15:55.14 | mwester | Ok. |
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| 15:55.43 | PBeck | hi |
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| 17:41.31 | [Rui] | 191 millions of words |
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| 18:43.42 | Dave | high-fives lynx |
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| 18:51.51 | ceda | curl would be nice to have |
| 18:51.55 | ceda | with ssl support |
| 18:52.24 | ceda | or httplib (with ssl support) in python |
| 18:54.57 | Dave | micktv? |
| 18:55.09 | Dave | meh, I hear rastertv is better :P |
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| 18:56.00 | techiem2-r | lol |
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| 18:59.28 | Dave | yeah |
| 18:59.33 | Dave | it's what all the kids are talking about these days. |
| 18:59.38 | Dave | it's all the RAGE... |
| 18:59.51 | Dave | heehee :P |
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| 19:01.29 | techiem2-r | hmm...yaknow...autofs userspace might be useful on OM so the sd card isn't mounted when it doesn't need to be... |
| 19:02.01 | Dave | :o |
| 19:03.55 | timur_ | hey guys, does gpsd work on openmoko? or am i using it wrong? i ran the openmoko gps ui and it got a fix in 27 seconds. then i ran my small python script that connects to gpsd and asks it if it has a fix and if yes, queries the position. that script claimed no fix was found |
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| 19:04.12 | techiem2-r | hmm |
| 19:05.28 | timur_ | to query i just connected to the daemon on port 2947 and sent it s\n and it responds with GPSD,S=0 |
| 19:05.39 | Dave | good |
| 19:05.48 | Dave | send it r |
| 19:06.00 | Dave | it should start spitting out shit |
| 19:06.21 | techiem2-r | hehe |
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| 19:07.05 | timur_ | oh, so to make it actually try to get a fix i need to send it r? |
| 19:07.24 | buffoon | hi! i now have a non working 3G SIM Card from Vodafone (Italy) and would like to add it on the wiki |
| 19:07.46 | buffoon | could I give you some Details about it so I don't have to register to it? |
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| 19:15.08 | [Rui] | raster: I just published a portuguese dictionary, coming up at planet.openmoko.org |
| 19:15.14 | Dave | timur, no, it should do it automatically, but if you, say, connect to 2947, that's what you'd send it so far as I know. |
| 19:15.14 | [Rui] | raster: thanks for the hints |
| 19:15.23 | Dave | Man, planet is such spam :p |
| 19:15.32 | Dave | but occasionally informative... if you can even load the page. |
| 19:15.40 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 19:16.25 | esthar | I just flashed to 2008.9, and my *goodness* it takes ages to boot up? |
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| 19:16.39 | Dave | Sure does :) |
| 19:16.43 | Dave | Ages? 5Min? |
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| 19:17.04 | Dave | What did you expect? :P |
| 19:17.20 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 19:17.31 | techiem2-r | yeah, it's not the fastest booting thing... |
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| 19:18.59 | timur_ | Dave, thanks. i figured out why my script was failing miserably |
| 19:19.13 | timur_ | i was closing the connection, so gpsd would happily go to sleep |
| 19:20.16 | cjb_ie | that's not the behaviour i would expect |
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| 19:21.06 | timur_ | well, here's some empirical evidence i got: telnet to gpsd, fix is obtained quickly. then i can get the position. using the script that connects to gpsd, asks the status, closes the connection never gets a fix |
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| 19:36.45 | gurugentoo | anyone know the command line to turn off the wifi antenna? |
| 19:37.06 | exactt | hey guys, just installed the base system from http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ . i can ssh into the phone and install stuff via opkg. still the GUI installer complains it couldn't access the repository... is this a known bug? |
| 19:37.45 | techiem2-r | I think it would be "echo 1 > /sys/whereverthewificardis/rf_kill" |
| 19:37.49 | [Rui] | exactt: lucky you, last time I tried daily (a few days ago) I had a kernel panic |
| 19:38.03 | techiem2-r | to fully turn off hte antenna |
| 19:38.04 | techiem2-r | could be wrong |
| 19:38.06 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 19:38.18 | [Rui] | I don't find an rf_kill |
| 19:38.31 | techiem2-r | maybe the card doesn't support it? |
| 19:38.51 | [Rui] | techiem2-r: neither anything nowhere near similar |
| 19:39.28 | techiem2-r | yeah, I don't see anything either |
| 19:40.19 | techiem2-r | maybe the card or driver doesn't support radio off |
| 19:43.17 | gurugentoo | interestng, b/c the FDOM image has a button on the services screen for wifi on/off |
| 19:43.37 | gurugentoo | maybe it doesn't actually do what I think |
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| 19:45.21 | techiem2-r | probably just downs the interface? |
| 19:46.41 | gurugentoo | ya |
| 19:47.12 | gurugentoo | does that work just as well for power savings? |
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| 19:48.34 | techiem2-r | I doubt it |
| 19:48.36 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 19:48.41 | techiem2-r | but who knows |
| 19:48.58 | techiem2-r | I would assume it's better than having hte interface up and scanning |
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| 19:52.59 | gurugentoo | so if it doesn't support rf_kill, would removing the module turn it off? |
| 19:53.32 | timur_ | nope |
| 19:53.45 | cjb_ie | if you remove it with a soldering iron, sure :-) |
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| 19:53.53 | techiem2-r | if I understand it, the radio is on all the time unless it supports rf_kill |
| 19:53.55 | timur_ | it might actually increase your power consumption |
| 19:54.08 | techiem2-r | it's just not scanning/etc. unless the interface is up |
| 19:56.12 | timur_ | kinda depends on the way the module is written. some cards you can scan without bringing up the interface... |
| 19:56.37 | gurugentoo | hmm, so hopefully the wifi doesn't affect the battery life too much |
| 19:56.46 | timur_ | also, the power saving settings on the thing are enabled by default and it seems there is no way to turn them off. maybe you could use them to force it to sleep for a very long time |
| 19:56.57 | techiem2-r | hehe |
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| 19:58.09 | cjb_ie | wifi has got to be turnable off fully if the device is to have a flight mode |
| 19:59.07 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, there is a seperate power control |
| 19:59.12 | SpeedEvil | somewhere in /sys |
| 19:59.26 | SpeedEvil | that turns it off. |
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| 19:59.34 | techiem2-r | ah |
| 19:59.39 | techiem2-r | just not in the normal place/ |
| 19:59.42 | techiem2-r | ? |
| 19:59.57 | SpeedEvil | I don't think so, no |
| 20:00.10 | gurugentoo | any name I can search for? |
| 20:00.17 | gurugentoo | any idea where? |
| 20:00.18 | SpeedEvil | I only looked once, and that was a while back - I have no FR :( |
| 20:00.28 | SpeedEvil | find /sys -name "*power*" ? |
| 20:00.33 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 20:00.34 | SpeedEvil | find /sys -name "*power_on*" ? |
| 20:00.35 | SpeedEvil | maybe |
| 20:01.05 | gurugentoo | hmm |
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| 20:07.51 | sledgeas | hello |
| 20:08.01 | gurugentoo | there's a /sys/devices/pnp0/00:01/net/eth0/dormant |
| 20:08.36 | sledgeas | i have installed om2008.9 on my fr and did update/upgrade on the 10th of october. since then only angstrom got upgarded today. is the developement slow? |
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| 20:11.53 | dolf1074 | sledgeas: no, their just no update on om2008.9, because they now focus on the stable image |
| 20:12.01 | sledgeas | ic |
| 20:12.12 | sledgeas | and which distro is now considered the best? |
| 20:12.19 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 20:12.20 | sledgeas | (with most respect to phone calling :)) |
| 20:12.20 | Tm_T | sledgeas: Kubuntu |
| 20:12.26 | LionKMP | :D |
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| 20:12.33 | sledgeas | as om2008.9 is not reliable |
| 20:12.34 | techiem2-r | "which distro is the best" |
| 20:12.37 | Kero | how to let bitbake build a package with debug options? dig into the bb file? |
| 20:12.38 | techiem2-r | now there's fighting words |
| 20:12.46 | sledgeas | techiem2-r: read me on |
| 20:12.53 | techiem2-r | 2008.9's been pretty reliable for me |
| 20:12.56 | techiem2-r | *shrug* |
| 20:12.56 | sledgeas | in my case, best = reliable |
| 20:13.00 | wurp2|working | sledgeas: qtextended |
| 20:13.03 | techiem2-r | but then I don't call, get called much |
| 20:13.23 | techiem2-r | yeah...qte would probably be considered overall the most stable for pure phone use.... |
| 20:13.24 | dolf1074 | Just for phone calling: FSO. Do you want more: Om 2008.9. Do you want everything: Qt |
| 20:13.26 | sledgeas | nope, techiem2-r, i installed fresh om2008.9, once the caller doesn'ŧ hear anything, other time the receiver, and sometimes it echoes |
| 20:13.36 | techiem2-r | weird |
| 20:13.55 | sledgeas | all random, maybe it's because of my service provider (italy) |
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| 20:14.01 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 20:14.02 | techiem2-r | who knows |
| 20:14.13 | sledgeas | if it is so uneven from person to person (me and you e.g.) |
| 20:14.25 | wurp2|working | I still do have problems sometimes when a call wakes the phone in qtext |
| 20:14.29 | LionKMP | is Om 2007.2 using "IPKG" or is that also "OPKG"? |
| 20:14.29 | techiem2-r | such is the adventure of OM users |
| 20:14.31 | wurp2|working | Otherwise, it's good |
| 20:14.40 | sicu | it's just big-brother tapping in from time to time |
| 20:14.44 | wurp2|working | ipkg files == opkg files |
| 20:14.48 | dolf1074 | LionKMP: ipkg for om 2007.2 |
| 20:15.05 | LionKMP | dolf1074: hehe, ok, thanks. (you saw, my mail was not clearly answered on the ML :) ) |
| 20:15.13 | LionKMP | doc@. |
| 20:15.19 | wurp2|working | the only difference afaik is in the install proggy; I think either install app will work with either file extension |
| 20:15.36 | techiem2-r | I think so |
| 20:15.50 | techiem2-r | cuz according to the wiki opkg is a tweaked fork of ipkg |
| 20:16.16 | LionKMP | wurp2|working: ok, I just wanted to know whether the "ipkg" command examples on the Wiki are still needed. But then, they are, if 2007.2 uses them. |
| 20:17.18 | dolf1074 | LionKMP: ow, didn't read the docs mailing list lately. To busy with my blog and trying to let gnuboy work. (Think I will stop the latest, I wont work) |
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| 20:17.53 | LionKMP | ?! won't work? :-( |
| 20:18.26 | dolf1074 | LionKMP: If you're screen is rotated and I want to read in every click you do, it just gives you another couple of coordinates |
| 20:18.43 | dolf1074 | LionKMP: So it's hard to know which button you want to click :( |
| 20:19.09 | dolf1074 | LionKMP: maybe if the freerunner is becoming telephatic |
| 20:19.26 | dolf1074 | LionKMP: or maybe when the drivers of the ??? is fixed |
| 20:19.30 | LionKMP | hm, how is that possible? is that only in rotated mode? (I did not try that yet) |
| 20:19.42 | samgee | wait, I thought om2008.9 was the focus of a |
| 20:19.47 | samgee | attention |
| 20:19.58 | samgee | what's the stable image, then? |
| 20:20.04 | dolf1074 | That's only in rotated mode, in straight mode (without scaling!!!) you get the good coordinates |
| 20:20.24 | dolf1074 | samgee: read http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/10/road-ahead-from-om-20088-to-working.html |
| 20:20.31 | LionKMP | oh, I see. hm, that should be fixed sometime I guess. Many programs will need landscape mode. |
| 20:20.34 | Dave | yeah yeah |
| 20:20.41 | Dave | LionKing, you wish |
| 20:20.48 | Dave | don't count on the developers for that. |
| 20:20.48 | LionKMP | :-) |
| 20:21.00 | LionKMP | oh, don't they care? |
| 20:21.06 | Dave | No, not particularly |
| 20:21.13 | dolf1074 | LionKMP: I wanted to look into the driver myself, but didn't find the driver |
| 20:21.22 | samgee | thanks, dolf1074, reading now |
| 20:21.27 | Dave | they're stance overall seems to be, oh, so my application looks and/or functions fucked up when in landscape mode, whatever. |
| 20:22.16 | Dave | a couple authors who have actually taken the time to accommodate this have brilliantly taken advantage of the landscape mode for additional/alternate functionality (within their specific application) |
| 20:22.23 | Dave | Otherwise, it's just same old blah. |
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| 20:23.11 | dolf1074 | Dave: try to say as many problems you have found with the freerunner as you can |
| 20:23.45 | Dave | I could write a 400 page paper |
| 20:23.48 | dolf1074 | Dave: And you want that the openmoko developers fix that all at the same time? |
| 20:23.54 | Dave | No, hardly |
| 20:24.17 | techiem2-r | just the first 350 pages |
| 20:24.19 | techiem2-r | :P |
| 20:24.24 | Dave | but clearly they are being led by someone who is not necessarily incompetent, but lacks clear sight and has never used a phone in their life |
| 20:24.54 | Dave | furthermore, it is only been further emphasized time and time again that most developers should NOT control what gets developed and what features are added in terms of UI |
| 20:24.58 | dolf1074 | Dave: but is landscape mode one of the things that are needed in a phone? |
| 20:25.00 | Dave | since most suck at it |
| 20:25.14 | dolf1074 | So you can't complain they don't work on that |
| 20:25.14 | Dave | they design create systems and apis but piece of shit / unusable software applications for it |
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| 20:25.41 | LionKMP | who creates good GUI then? |
| 20:25.42 | Dave | Additionally, many poor choices were made in terms of hardware and design (somewhat attributed by the afformentioned) |
| 20:26.10 | Dave | dolf, honestly, a lot has been swept under the rug. |
| 20:26.13 | LionKMP | ah, user testing creates the good GUI maybe. |
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| 20:26.26 | dolf1074 | Dave: Sometimes I'm wondering why you still at this channel? Every time I hear you, you say it sucks, openmoko sucks. You say to everyone to throw their freerunner away. |
| 20:26.30 | dolf1074 | Dave: that's right |
| 20:26.31 | Dave | but it's hard to target and complain about issues in which wrongdoing actually occurred, because the development of openmoko has been so fucking whimsical |
| 20:26.48 | Dave | so it's hard to pinpoint misdoing and actual "bad work" |
| 20:26.50 | Dave | but there is some |
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| 20:26.58 | Dave | I know of three such major examples, but there is shit I can do about it. |
| 20:27.04 | Dave | Just never to purchase one for myself :) |
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| 20:27.38 | cjb_ie | open source projects need a benevolent dictator with project management experience, if they are to succeed outside the geek community |
| 20:27.44 | Dave | Dolf, and for the record, I never said people should throw theirs away; clearly you must not be here when I am helping developers with their applications or assisting other users in a positive outlook. |
| 20:27.53 | Dave | cjb, indeed. |
| 20:28.01 | Dave | but not the flowery hippie type :) |
| 20:28.17 | Dave | too much benevolence is a bad thing. |
| 20:28.18 | cjb_ie | actually, i'd modify that to: project management and UI design experience |
| 20:28.39 | dolf1074 | Dave: It was just, everytime I say you on the channel, you said something bad about openmoko and it's development. Maybe you are a great helper when I don't watch |
| 20:29.19 | dolf1074 | But I don't need someone on the channel that keep saying that the openmoko development sucks. I know, They know. Hopefully they try better |
| 20:29.24 | cjb_ie | the other problem is that when people volunteer for open source, they do what they want to do. |
| 20:29.43 | Dave | Dolf, honestly, my greatest disdain for openmoko was when significantly beneficial hardware designs were proposed and declined due to the shortsightedness of the official people in charge who apparently don't get out of their cave enough. |
| 20:30.24 | cjb_ie | which is not necessarily what needs to be done. this is different to volunteering for e.g. charity work, where you volunteer, and you do whatever shitty job you're told needs doing. |
| 20:30.34 | Dave | Yeah openmoko development doesn't suck, though honestly, it would likely be beneficial if some standards were setup, or we formed a committee from which it could be decided what single distro will continue from here on out |
| 20:30.46 | Dave | cjb, true enough :) |
| 20:30.54 | SpeedEvil | ... list of stuff not being done ... ... ... |
| 20:31.03 | Dave | Yep |
| 20:31.41 | cjb_ie | i'm not sure why there is this perceptual difference between these different classes of volunteer projects, which on the surface of it one might hope would work similarly. |
| 20:32.34 | Dave | shrugs |
| 20:32.43 | SpeedEvil | It's managment. |
| 20:32.50 | dolf1074 | Dave: Yeah, that's a problem in the company openmoko. But there are probably the same problems in other companies. And they can still make the device working. Maybe not as Iphone-killer (what openmoko not wanted to be). So it's just not helpfull for keeping complaining about it. |
| 20:32.52 | SpeedEvil | You have to have a strong leader to herd cats. |
| 20:32.57 | SpeedEvil | And the right sort of leaders. |
| 20:33.19 | Dave | dolf, I guess also I am a bit biased and spiteful in this sense, since I proposed a couple BACKED plans/designs to the OM team, which were both subsequently more or less ignored (swept under the rug). |
| 20:33.31 | SpeedEvil | And sometimes lack of complaint is taken as it all being fine. |
| 20:33.33 | cjb_ie | (though in charities, the leaders are typically paid...) |
| 20:33.42 | Dave | Dolf, fine, I'll leave the complaints elsewhere ;) |
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| 20:34.07 | dolf1074 | thanks |
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| 20:34.17 | Dave | Yeah, the individual application developers seem to thrive off my thorough and well-documented complaints so far :) |
| 20:34.34 | Dave | As opposed to those with little substance or merit :) |
| 20:34.52 | Dave | Dolf, perhaps I should take a few days to cite more praise for the awesome stuff which has been developed and accomplished. |
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| 20:35.09 | Dave | Happy Openmoko Day, everybody! |
| 20:35.21 | dolf1074 | Dave: But you may keep complaining about new things and fault that openmoko are busy making. That's good. But just not repeat it for 1 month. |
| 20:36.26 | dolf1074 | Dave: Or maybe summarize then and post to a blogpost, so Openmoko get's all the complaints at once and can do something about it |
| 20:36.27 | Dave | Dolf, good point :) |
| 20:36.31 | Dave | Yeah |
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| 20:36.54 | Dave | I should start a newsletter or blog, and just register Sean with it >:) |
| 20:37.33 | Dave | I should also contribute more to the wiki, if that's still popular. I've developed a few slick revelations as of late. |
| 20:37.57 | Dave | In other news, how many nacelles will the GTA10 have? |
| 20:38.37 | dolf1074 | That's not complaining, now you're just laughing with openmoko |
| 20:38.51 | dolf1074 | and that's why I'm wondering why you still on this channel |
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| 20:41.55 | SpeedEvil | Anyway. http://www.mauve.plus.com/1223712256105.jpg |
| 20:45.08 | LionKMP | when did Openmoko announce this Paroli thing, I didn't hear about it before. |
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| 20:46.11 | dolf1074 | It did on two occasions and only there you will find it. Please wait, will search |
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| 20:47.07 | LionKMP | just an approximate date, because I made a post about distributions and I didn't mention this. |
| 20:47.24 | dolf1074 | 15 sept for the first |
| 20:47.54 | LionKMP | ok, very new stuff then (found in your blog :) ) |
| 20:48.16 | dolf1074 | yes, and I found it onto the community update |
| 20:48.22 | dolf1074 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/17th_September,_2008_-_Activity_since_launch |
| 20:48.28 | dolf1074 | :) |
| 20:48.37 | ozzloy | i'm trying to ssh to the qtopia image, but i keep getting connection refused. is there something special to do for the qtopia image? |
| 20:48.55 | LionKMP | hehe, not really explained there, not even linked. |
| 20:49.29 | dolf1074 | No |
| 20:50.25 | donomo | when my device sleeps (qtopia 4.4), it doest unsleep 99% of the time. i get the 'white screen of death'. any ideas to fix? |
| 20:51.09 | dolf1074 | LionKMP: Ow no, I found it into a weekly engineerings news, namely http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td837114|a837114 |
| 20:51.16 | dolf1074 | there it is explained well |
| 20:51.26 | donomo | id finally have a usable freerunner if sleep/unsleep would work. |
| 20:51.40 | bipak_ | donomo: its a very common problem |
| 20:51.46 | bipak_ | but as I know there is no fix atm |
| 20:51.46 | dolf1074 | LionKMP: you will have to go to the section of tichy |
| 20:52.04 | LionKMP | dolf1074: fine, I wanna know what's that as well :-) thanks! |
| 20:52.31 | donomo | bipak_: ok. its a sharme to have the qtopia image which works pretty darn well for telephony, get hung up on sleep |
| 20:52.54 | donomo | that sep 17th update says 'Raster left the project.' thats too bad |
| 20:53.15 | dolf1074 | tichy is an python main menu with some programs build into |
| 20:53.28 | bipak_ | donomo: yes. it doesn't affect all devices, though. fortunately my phone issnt affected |
| 20:54.05 | bipak_ | raster is still active :) |
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| 20:56.29 | dolf1074 | bipak_: Is there some blog/news things we can follow his new adventures? Because he do many things, but I can't find them properly |
| 20:56.35 | donomo | bipak_: doesnt affect all defives? thats curious. maybe i ordered my phone too early. :( |
| 20:56.45 | donomo | s/defives/devices/ |
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| 20:57.26 | bipak_ | dolf1074: i don't know. I just see his posting on the mailing list or in this chan |
| 20:57.40 | bipak_ | s/posting/postings |
| 20:58.01 | dolf1074 | thanks |
| 20:58.38 | bipak_ | donomo: i think there is something on the bug trac wait |
| 20:58.49 | Kero | never understands bitbake and phases; and keeps forgetting after a few months |
| 20:59.50 | Kero | there must be a single command to rebuild a package, say `bitbake -f pkg` because the man page says it defaults to build and -f will ignore stamps |
| 20:59.51 | bipak_ | donomo: maybe reading this might help: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1841 |
| 21:00.00 | bipak_ | donomo: or at least tells you whats going on |
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| 21:14.34 | donomo | bipak_: thanks! that is some good reading. |
| 21:14.54 | bipak_ | :) |
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| 21:25.11 | donomo | WSOD should be #1 ticket. |
| 21:25.47 | donomo | #1989 address book not handling vcard 2.1. priority: 'highest'. omg stop the production line. |
| 21:31.24 | bipak_ | donomo: heh |
| 21:31.24 | mwester | :) People are rather funny that way. |
| 21:31.44 | mwester | BTW, I agree that the WSoD problem should be the #1 issue; it does not seem that it is so. |
| 21:32.16 | mwester | My phone is one of the ones that does not fail, so I've not been able to do anything to help :( |
| 21:32.27 | Kero | Inasmuch WSoD happens after suspend/resume, I have a more pressing issue :) |
| 21:33.05 | raster | mwester: dunno. i've never had the wsod.. so... definitely not #1 for me :) |
| 21:33.07 | nyu | is the problem of remote echo sound identified? |
| 21:33.28 | nyu | my pals tell me they hear their own voice |
| 21:34.01 | mwester | IIRC the remote echo is mechanical feedback from the speaker to the microphone -- nothing to be done about it to fix it, just some settings that can be used to minimize it. |
| 21:34.29 | bipak_ | nyu: i made a patch: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-October/033312.html |
| 21:34.46 | raster | mwester: and both my fr's seem fine :) |
| 21:34.54 | bipak_ | nyu: it solves it for me completly |
| 21:35.05 | mwester | Yeah yeah - you worked for Om, you got the GOOD ones! |
| 21:35.25 | nyu | bipak_: euh, it's that simple? |
| 21:35.34 | bipak_ | yes :) |
| 21:35.53 | nyu | btw, I suppose it's not hard to compensate echo in software, is it? |
| 21:36.04 | mwester | It is very hard. |
| 21:36.05 | raster | nyu: actually very hard |
| 21:36.06 | nyu | (if you have a clue about sound, which I don't) |
| 21:36.15 | raster | because the audio is done by the gsm chip |
| 21:36.17 | mwester | It is easy to suppress it, though. |
| 21:36.18 | raster | not the main cpu |
| 21:36.26 | raster | for starters |
| 21:36.40 | nyu | ah, the one with a blob |
| 21:36.41 | raster | and the gsm chip has its own os/firmware that is not open |
| 21:36.50 | raster | (and never will be) |
| 21:36.58 | nyu | then yes, I guess it's very hard ;-) |
| 21:36.59 | raster | and it really is just a bad mechanical design |
| 21:37.11 | nyu | but never say never :-P |
| 21:37.20 | raster | in this case u cant blame the gsm chip and itss blobby closedness |
| 21:37.23 | mwester | Use headphones, or bluetooth, and the echo problem will be no more. |
| 21:37.46 | nyu | is there a mic line in? |
| 21:37.52 | raster | immature design team who dont hav experience with all the issues involved in making a phone - they just need to learn |
| 21:38.01 | mwester | :) No |
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| 21:38.04 | raster | and in the meantime - you're stuck with it |
| 21:38.17 | nyu | I was stuck with a propietary phone before |
| 21:38.19 | DieMumiee | yeah just upgrade your hardware via git |
| 21:38.26 | nyu | so I guess it's a good trade |
| 21:38.30 | mwester | But the little ear speaker is very easily accessed. |
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| 21:38.37 | bipak_ | DieMumiee: lol |
| 21:39.12 | mwester | So one can imagine that with a drill, and some imagination, one might be able to rig up an isolated ear speaker for the FR that would cause less echo... |
| 21:39.13 | nyu | I'm surprised there's no free implementation of software echo compensation somewhere |
| 21:39.21 | Kero | argh! recompile e-wm, only to find that ipkg runs out of space when installing! |
| 21:39.29 | nyu | ah, I remember. the gsm writes directly to the audio chips |
| 21:39.39 | nyu | main memory/cpu not involved, right? |
| 21:39.44 | raster | correct |
| 21:39.52 | raster | u can even shut down ther main cpu while on a call |
| 21:39.53 | nyu | is that the usual design? |
| 21:39.54 | raster | in theory |
| 21:39.55 | pb_ | nyu: there is: asterisk can do it, for one. but in this case, as you say, it wouldn't help. |
| 21:40.05 | raster | u wont be able to"control" the gsm chip |
| 21:40.13 | raster | but it will continue marching on doing the call on its own |
| 21:40.48 | mwester | If we didn't have to suspend/resume (i.e. zero-clock), then it would be very practical to shut down the host CPU during a call. |
| 21:41.08 | LaF0rge | nyu: even if you find one, it will use floating point |
| 21:41.13 | Kero | and then ipkg leaves its lock... *sigh* I would have thought those kind of issues were solved a couple of yeaars ago? |
| 21:41.18 | LaF0rge | nyu: also, there are tons of patents in this space |
| 21:41.38 | nyu | LaF0rge: bah, I live in the "free" world |
| 21:41.44 | nyu | (sort of) |
| 21:41.59 | raster | and if the gsm stack was open.... |
| 21:42.07 | raster | u'd never be legally approved for use on a phone network |
| 21:42.17 | nyu | I guess -msoft-float on arm is painful? |
| 21:42.19 | LaF0rge | you can charge quite a bit of money if you have an optimized echoc cancellation implementation that runs on slow nofpu ARM cpu's |
| 21:42.29 | raster | so as such u'd be unable to ship such a device as it'd be halted in shipping when found |
| 21:42.32 | nyu | but you need FP to play ogg, don't you? |
| 21:42.32 | LaF0rge | tomtom has licensed one of the commercial offering that run on the s3c24xx |
| 21:42.36 | raster | so any sales or imports would be black-market\ |
| 21:42.42 | LaF0rge | nyu: not with trmor |
| 21:42.43 | LaF0rge | tremor |
| 21:42.43 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you could do eco-cancellation on the main CPU |
| 21:42.47 | raster | at the same time even if u had such a device |
| 21:42.47 | SpeedEvil | echo |
| 21:42.52 | SpeedEvil | as I understand it. |
| 21:43.09 | raster | u are in legal iffy lands in useing one |
| 21:43.11 | raster | as it is not approved |
| 21:43.19 | LaF0rge | raster: i don't buy that argument (the legal one) |
| 21:43.20 | raster | could be considered "hacking the phone network" |
| 21:43.35 | LaF0rge | raster: at least in europe it should be fairly possible. |
| 21:43.43 | nyu | raster: eventually, someone will do it anyway |
| 21:44.04 | raster | LaF0rge: i know in .au using non-approved devices can open you to legal action if those devices cause any trouble on the network |
| 21:44.09 | SpeedEvil | LaF0rge: in the UK, once you sell one device that's misused, and you're told that it's been misused, and told to stop, you are actually liable for jailtime. |
| 21:44.24 | SpeedEvil | (if you don't) |
| 21:44.26 | raster | so it depends on the country |
| 21:44.29 | raster | and what happens |
| 21:44.40 | SpeedEvil | That's neglecting the certification issue totally. |
| 21:44.52 | SpeedEvil | It's 'phone hacking' legislation covering cloning essentially. |
| 21:45.07 | nyu | SpeedEvil: I thought jail was meant for dangerous criminals... oh well |
| 21:45.15 | LaF0rge | must be weird countries where you have phone specific legislation |
| 21:45.22 | SpeedEvil | But echo cancellation can be done on the main SoC as I understand it. |
| 21:45.38 | LaF0rge | speed: yes, at the cost of lots of cpu and additional latency |
| 21:45.41 | SpeedEvil | LaF0rge: at the time there was a large number of people 'chipping' phones for free calls. |
| 21:45.56 | SpeedEvil | Lots - not really. |
| 21:46.09 | SpeedEvil | 8Khz 8 bit echo cancellation isn't really taxing. |
| 21:46.15 | nyu | so if freeloaders get jail, I wonder what they do with murderers.. |
| 21:46.16 | SpeedEvil | At least taking out the majority of it. |
| 21:46.42 | LaF0rge | I really don't like all this FUD that people spread about regulatory approval |
| 21:46.52 | SpeedEvil | LaF0rge: Some of it ain't FUD. |
| 21:47.09 | SpeedEvil | It's real actual people have gone to jail. |
| 21:47.42 | SpeedEvil | Now, if a reseller would actually be jailed for what could be viewed as the same offence but isn't really, is another question. |
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| 21:48.49 | vininim_ | mm the gsm does echo supression, right? |
| 21:49.03 | SpeedEvil | vininim: in principle it should. |
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| 21:49.28 | SpeedEvil | vininim: the problem is that it's hard to tune it/impossible to tune it with published commands. |
| 21:49.35 | mwester | suppression - yes, cancellation - no. |
| 21:50.27 | SpeedEvil | sorry - cancelling after it's gone through four GSM codecs, and lots of errors is ... difficult. |
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| 21:51.27 | SpeedEvil | http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/a_to_c/communications_offences/#p_06 |
| 21:51.44 | SpeedEvil | Section 1 of the Mobile Telephones (Re-Programming) Act 2002 (seeStones 8-30109W) makes it an offence if a person:- ... |
| 21:51.57 | vininim | vut |
| 21:52.11 | vininim | that's why frerunner is a cpu with a phone attached to it |
| 21:52.13 | vininim | =P |
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| 21:54.04 | vininim | Subsection 3 provides a statutory defence to anyone who is the manufacturer of the phone or does the above with the written consent of the manufacturer. |
| 21:54.30 | vininim | the green welcome card sounds like a written consent, imho. :) |
| 21:54.37 | SpeedEvil | But section 2 |
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| 21:55.36 | SpeedEvil | 'Possession or supply of anything for re-programming purposes' - once you're told it's being misused, you are 'knowingly supplying' the above, and are guilty of the offence. |
| 21:55.48 | pb_ | SpeedEvil: right, but section 2 would have no effect where the subsection 3 defence applies. |
| 21:56.01 | pb_ | so, section 2 bans the supply of equipment to crack existing phones, not free gsm stacks themselves. |
| 21:56.15 | SpeedEvil | subsection 3 of section 1 only applies to section 1, not 2 |
| 21:56.38 | pb_ | sure, but section 2 only applies in the case of an offence under section 1. |
| 21:56.49 | pb_ | if the subsection 3 defence applies to section 1, there is no offence in the first place |
| 21:56.56 | SpeedEvil | No - it doesn't work that way |
| 21:56.57 | pb_ | and hence, no liability under section 2 |
| 21:57.03 | SpeedEvil | section 2 is a seperate offence to section 1 |
| 21:57.19 | vininim | wait, it refers to section 1 offense |
| 21:57.26 | vininim | explictly, but ianal |
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| 21:58.14 | SpeedEvil | It's legal to posess an open GSM stack, and change the numbers, as long as there is no unlawful intent, and it's legal to supply as long as you don't know it's being misused. |
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| 22:00.09 | pb_ | yes, section 2 is a separate offense, but the thing it prohibits is "supply of anything which can be used for a section 1 offence". but, if you are talking about an open phone for which the manufacturer always grants the right to reprogramme, there can be no section 1 offence since the subsection 3 defence would always apply to that hardware. |
| 22:00.46 | pb_ | it seems pretty clear that this legislation is intended to prevent the supply of equipment or software for cracking existing gsm phones, not (per se) to outlaw free gsm stacks. |
| 22:00.51 | SpeedEvil | http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2002/ukpga_20020031_en_1 I think we may be reading differnt versions |
| 22:01.16 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 22:01.34 | pb_ | of course, any manufacturer who supplied an overtly free phone might have trouble getting the networks to accept it, but that is a separate issue. |
| 22:01.49 | pb_ | at that point you just have a contractual problem, not an issue of criminal law. |
| 22:02.32 | SpeedEvil | However, for that to happen, FIC would have to say 'yes you can use our phones to break the law' - I don't think that's happening. |
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| 22:02.54 | SpeedEvil | OpenMoko even. |
| 22:03.52 | SpeedEvil | Not one of the worst drafted laws - but could be better. |
| 22:04.15 | SpeedEvil | At least it doesn't say you can't reprogram phones in ways other than the unique identifiers. |
| 22:04.22 | cjb_ie | "by buying this phone you agree not to break the law with it" |
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| 22:11.55 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. I see that it would actually cover changing MACs of wifi sticks too. |
| 22:12.03 | SpeedEvil | Though there is seperate legislation there. |
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| 22:59.43 | Dave | woo |
| 23:00.02 | Dave | go go opie |
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| 23:04.22 | Dave | Mwester, around? |
| 23:08.39 | ljp | sorry, you dont have permission to use the trademarked name 'Opie' |
| 23:08.48 | Dave | :( |
| 23:09.11 | Dave | Man, and here I was just trying to navigate their extensive graphical user interface... |
| 23:09.14 | Dave | How disappointing. |
| 23:15.16 | raster | muhahahahah! |
| 23:15.18 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/the-gang-01.jpg |
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| 23:17.29 | Dave | YES |
| 23:17.29 | sicu | invasion! |
| 23:17.32 | sicu | =p |
| 23:17.34 | Dave | COMPLIANCE! |
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| 23:18.22 | Dave | strike force delta |
| 23:18.37 | Dave | Raster, I wish I could install it on this zire :[ |
| 23:18.56 | SpeedEvil | wishes he could install it on this nokia 3310. |
| 23:21.13 | Wonka | OPIE? as in libopie? One Password In Everything? |
| 23:22.41 | raster | donomo: comply your zire! |
| 23:23.29 | raster | errr |
| 23:23.36 | raster | dave: comply your zire! |
| 23:27.33 | Dave | gives it to raster |
| 23:27.41 | Dave | Rasterize it! |
| 23:28.10 | Dave | Wonka: Open Palmtop Integrated Environment |
| 23:30.12 | raster | ie qt (qte) |
| 23:30.19 | raster | if u like c++ and qt |
| 23:30.25 | raster | its probably the thing for you |
| 23:30.26 | raster | :) |
| 23:30.55 | raster | Dave: whihc zire? |
| 23:31.10 | raster | z31,71 and 72 are supported. |
| 23:31.11 | raster | :) |
| 23:33.52 | cjb_ie | must try to stop interpreting everything in osm context: "z31? what kind of crazy-ass zoomlevel is that" |
| 23:34.12 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.11 | Dave | Raster, I have all of them! |
| 23:35.20 | Dave | and many of the latter two! |
| 23:35.35 | ljp | geek |
| 23:35.41 | raster | well |
| 23:35.46 | Dave | Lorn, do I detect a hint of jealousy? ;p |
| 23:35.48 | raster | oe does hgave builds for them |
| 23:35.58 | raster | if u just set MACHINE in local.conf right |
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| 23:36.05 | raster | and use my oe tree/setup |
| 23:36.07 | raster | it should work just fine |
| 23:36.12 | ljp | Dave: no, it would take a wide angle lens to photo all the crap on my desk |
| 23:36.30 | raster | i build both palmt650 and om-gta02 images from the same tree with just a swizzle of local.conf MACHINE |
| 23:36.33 | Dave | same here :D |
| 23:36.41 | DocScrutinizer | sicu: already tested the PATCH of tinfoil? :-) |
| 23:36.42 | Dave | Raster, sweet |
| 23:36.48 | Dave | How long did the builds take? |
| 23:36.53 | Dave | Joerg :D |
| 23:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
| 23:37.06 | raster | Dave: on my box. a few hours |
| 23:38.22 | Dave | nice |
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| 23:38.32 | Dave | I shall do it! |
| 23:38.37 | Dave | wishes to comply |
| 23:41.14 | raster | let me ok |
| 23:41.24 | raster | just added new patch that updates illume to new buttons setup |
| 23:41.36 | Dave | the new-old button setup? :P |
| 23:41.43 | raster | yes |
| 23:41.45 | Dave | yay |
| 23:41.51 | Dave | Welcome back, old friend :) |
| 23:41.55 | raster | Adding patches/0016-update-to-illume-with-buttons.patch |
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| 23:42.07 | Dave | heh, aptly named. |
| 23:44.09 | DocScrutinizer | raster: btw: thanks for pointer to Xchat-maemo :-) |
| 23:45.06 | raster | DocScrutinizer: irc-ing on n810 now? |
| 23:45.17 | jOERG_42 | works great |
| 23:45.24 | raster | pants! |
| 23:45.48 | jOERG_42 | *now* yes |
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| 23:46.14 | DocScrutinizer | but my coffe is here ;-) |
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| 23:46.54 | raster | i really wish the wifi was supported on the n800... |
| 23:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | :-( |
| 23:47.19 | DocScrutinizer | get you a 810! |
| 23:47.57 | raster | same wifi |
| 23:48.18 | DocScrutinizer | don't forget the mini2microSD adapter when U r at the shop |
| 23:48.18 | raster | 810 only adds gps, physical kbd and wried-in 2g flash |
| 23:48.43 | raster | the n810 is useless for me as an upgrade from n800 |
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| 23:48.44 | raster | :) |
| 23:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | what'S a 2g flash? |
| 23:49.14 | DocScrutinizer | and where's the problem with 800-wifi then? |
| 23:50.24 | raster | 2GB of flash |
| 23:50.26 | raster | for maps |
| 23:50.28 | DocScrutinizer | ahh |
| 23:50.33 | raster | the n800 wifi is closed |
| 23:50.39 | raster | no open specs or driver |
| 23:50.41 | DocScrutinizer | as is 810 |
| 23:50.53 | DocScrutinizer | I see |
| 23:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | not worth that much for creating own driver etc |
| 23:52.15 | DocScrutinizer | I assume no promiscuous mode as well |
| 23:52.33 | DocScrutinizer | on proprietary wifi driver? |
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| 23:54.40 | *** join/#openmoko batti112 (n=batti@p5B14C296.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:54.51 | DocScrutinizer | sicu: ping |
| 23:56.18 | raster | DocScrutinizer: no idea |
| 23:56.24 | raster | all i know is the driver is a closed binary module |
| 23:56.38 | raster | so if i want to build my own OE images for the n800 |
| 23:56.41 | raster | i lose wifi |
| 23:56.42 | raster | :( |
| 23:57.31 | DocScrutinizer | I don't exactly get it. Why? You switched to some diferent OS? |
| 23:58.22 | DocScrutinizer | raster: you said "wish the wifi was supported on the n800...". Actually I think it's supported in maemo at least |
| 23:58.50 | Dave | poor raster |
| 23:59.00 | Dave | So Doc, is the 810 worth playing with? :) |
| 23:59.29 | DocScrutinizer | It's fun, and a great inspiration on doing zero-clock right :-) |
| 23:59.47 | Dave | Oh, raster, I have something to mention to you. |
