| 00:00.09 | techiem2-r | it tends to not realize it and reconfig itself |
| 00:00.09 | timur | hmm interesting |
| 00:00.22 | techiem2-r | could just be a wpa_supplicant thing.... |
| 00:00.24 | techiem2-r | *shrug* |
| 00:00.29 | timur | but doing it manually probably works? |
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| 00:01.06 | techiem2-r | I think so |
| 00:02.17 | timur | cool :) |
| 00:02.22 | timur | thanks for the info man |
| 00:02.40 | techiem2-r | mhm |
| 00:02.50 | techiem2-r | it's been working decently for me so far |
| 00:02.57 | techiem2-r | been playing between 2008.9 and debian |
| 00:02.58 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 00:03.27 | timur | hehe how big is your debian install? |
| 00:04.02 | johngay | Anyone know if I can use mwesters latest kernel with 2007.2 to improve battery life? |
| 00:04.19 | valos[fr] | timur: ~500mo |
| 00:04.22 | azmodie | i've got FDOM 200809_20080927 and debian installed. |
| 00:04.59 | timur | ok, cool. valos[fr], so it fits on the SD provided with it? |
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| 00:05.10 | techiem2-r | I have debian on a 1GB partition on my 8GB card |
| 00:06.29 | azmodie | techiem2-r: me too |
| 00:07.01 | techiem2-r | nice |
| 00:07.07 | techiem2-r | 512MB just doesn't cut it |
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| 00:07.08 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 00:07.21 | techiem2-r | when yer playing with gps and debian and music... |
| 00:08.11 | timur | gotcha |
| 00:08.26 | timur | how long does the battery last for you guys? all day like advertised? |
| 00:08.35 | techiem2-r | mmm |
| 00:08.51 | techiem2-r | solid 4 hours or so with it on and wifi up I think I decided |
| 00:09.04 | techiem2-r | no suspend |
| 00:09.17 | techiem2-r | bit more with suspending I think |
| 00:09.17 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 00:09.27 | timur | gotcha. that's not too bad... wifi's kind of a pig |
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| 00:10.42 | valos[fr] | idem between 4 and 8 hours |
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| 00:11.32 | techiem2-r | ... |
| 00:11.37 | techiem2-r | horray for random disconnects |
| 00:12.20 | azmodie | lmao |
| 00:13.58 | Dave | :D |
| 00:14.15 | Dave | summons the mighty mwester |
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| 00:16.29 | azmodie | waves at dave. watching your channel on sky as we speak |
| 00:17.38 | Dave | :D |
| 00:17.43 | Dave | cool |
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| 00:20.26 | ljp | wow, Dave. you control the clouds? |
| 00:21.24 | balrog-k1n | he's into cloud computing |
| 00:22.04 | balrog-k1n | http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w149/cutlass436/cellbook.jpg |
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| 00:25.42 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 00:25.56 | slaxxin | neopwn |
| 00:26.20 | ljp | knows of 27,000 ebooks for free |
| 00:26.49 | techiem2-r | mhm |
| 00:27.57 | johngay | ljp? are you lpotter? |
| 00:28.09 | ljp | me? hows asking? :) |
| 00:28.25 | ljp | whos |
| 00:28.35 | johngay | Someone who wants a tarball of qtext-4.4.1 (-; |
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| 00:29.24 | ljp | ahh ok. then yes. I am |
| 00:30.37 | johngay | I want to try it out, but I don't have the right modules on my system to convert jffs2 to tarball, plus I imagine I'm not the only one who wants to try it from SD first. |
| 00:31.31 | azmodie | i'm planning on istalling qt ext on sd first too |
| 00:31.40 | johngay | I still use 2007.2 for my daily phone, as I'm not happy with anything else, yet (-= |
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| 00:32.06 | FxChiP | 2007.2 looks awesome |
| 00:32.35 | techiem2-r | I really like 2008.8/9 once I got used to it |
| 00:32.40 | FxChiP | shrugs |
| 00:32.57 | balrog-k1n | FxChiP: and it's so up to date |
| 00:33.25 | azmodie | i'm prity happy with latest FDOM as daily phone. with gsmhandset.state file from community list |
| 00:34.10 | johngay | Anyone know if I can use mwesters latest kernel with 2007.2 to improve battery life? |
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| 00:38.18 | azmodie | johngay: why not try it and find out. |
| 00:39.30 | Dave | fxchip :D |
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| 00:48.39 | timur | hmm why would the installer in 2008.9 not list any packages and not be able to access the repo, while i can ping fine? |
| 00:48.58 | timur | i also can't seem to use opkg... is there a daemon running that locks the repo? |
| 00:49.28 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 00:49.34 | techiem2-r | if you've run the installer, then yeah |
| 00:49.43 | techiem2-r | you have to kill packagekitd before you can use opkg |
| 00:49.58 | timur | ah ok |
| 00:50.07 | timur | hehe that's intuitive :) |
| 00:50.15 | techiem2-r | and yeah...the installer....yeah... |
| 00:50.16 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 00:50.20 | timur | do you need an external antenna for the gps to work? |
| 00:50.25 | techiem2-r | nope |
| 00:50.39 | timur | hmm weird. locations seems to not be able to pick up where i am |
| 00:50.55 | techiem2-r | you do need a good signal though |
| 00:50.56 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 00:51.05 | techiem2-r | especially on first fix it can take a while |
| 00:51.11 | timur | all right, i'll try to wander about with it |
| 00:51.27 | techiem2-r | I installed agpsui for enabling/testing the gps |
| 00:51.35 | techiem2-r | then use tango for actual mapping |
| 00:51.39 | timur | gotcha |
| 00:52.13 | techiem2-r | haven't played with locations |
| 00:52.13 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 00:52.49 | timur | no worries. i just wanted to see if it works :) |
| 00:53.12 | techiem2-r | ah |
| 00:54.00 | timur | this is just bizarre now. i can ping openmoko.org but can't ping downloads.openmoko.org |
| 00:54.10 | timur | and subsequently can't use opkg |
| 00:54.34 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 00:54.35 | techiem2-r | weird |
| 00:54.55 | timur | time to reboot... see if that helps |
| 00:55.18 | johngay | What do you think this is, WinCE? |
| 00:55.37 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 00:55.49 | timur | haha yes, i do |
| 00:56.11 | timur | or openmoko that's been suspended because i didn't disable it right away |
| 00:56.19 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 00:56.31 | techiem2-r | ah yes, the ultra fast suspend setting |
| 00:57.39 | timur | and look! the reboot fixed my opkg issues :P |
| 00:57.54 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 00:58.15 | johngay | Not so loud. Bill might here you. |
| 00:58.55 | timur | ha |
| 00:59.46 | mwester | returns, fresh from working on his neo, clears the smell of incense from his nose and brushes some stray bits of chicken entrails from his clothing... |
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| 00:59.56 | mwester | Dave: pong. |
| 01:00.02 | johngay | Anyone know if I can use mwesters latest kernel with 2007.2 to improve battery life? |
| 01:00.15 | mwester | 2007.2? |
| 01:00.17 | balrog-k1n | mwester might know |
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| 01:01.15 | johngay | Yea, as in the original that I've got all configured and working the way I like and don't want to screw up by doing something stupid. |
| 01:01.31 | mwester | egads. |
| 01:01.40 | balrog-k1n | mwester: did you sacrifice a chicken praying that things start work? |
| 01:01.41 | mwester | http://moko.mwester.net/archives/ |
| 01:02.00 | mwester | balrog-k1n: voodoo. works better than anything else I've tried! |
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| 01:02.31 | mwester | http://moko.mwester.net/gtk.html |
| 01:02.41 | mwester | johngay: Those two URLs are for you... |
| 01:03.24 | mwester | You can try the latest kernel and modules; it may or may not work (there have been some changes to user/kernel interfaces. |
| 01:03.53 | mwester | If the latest kernel and modules don't do the job, use the first URL and pull the ancient kernel (the "09" kernel) from that archive area. |
| 01:04.28 | timur | what do you guys recommend for a web browser? |
| 01:04.29 | mwester | If you don't use the "user-space" mods on the "gtk" page, it won't stay suspended. |
| 01:04.42 | mwester | timur: IE 7 works fine for me. |
| 01:04.56 | mwester | ducks and runs for cover |
| 01:05.04 | timur | yea, you better, smartass |
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| 01:05.18 | johngay | I prefer safari |
| 01:05.40 | mwester | What's the one on the iphone? That's pretty good. |
| 01:05.55 | daMaestro | webkit based safari |
| 01:05.57 | daMaestro | iirc |
| 01:06.34 | timur | i meant on freerunner... |
| 01:06.58 | mwester | :) honestly, I don't know. I had a fun time with the Qtopia web browser. |
| 01:07.32 | mwester | It was even more fun when I pointed it at my Mythtv webserver, and it decided that it should show me the site in some unknown language instead. |
| 01:07.43 | timur | hehe nice |
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| 01:08.32 | ColdFyre | are there known issue about the neo with ATT in the US? |
| 01:08.44 | mwester | I guess the preferred language (locale?) can be set in the browser differently than the host? But I didn't find any controls for that. :( |
| 01:08.56 | ColdFyre | my 850 neo won't register |
| 01:08.58 | mwester | ljp: Pong. |
| 01:11.31 | techiem2-r | as far as I know depends on the sim you get |
| 01:11.39 | techiem2-r | ATT prepaid is working fine for me |
| 01:11.47 | techiem2-r | the little I've used it so... |
| 01:12.02 | ColdFyre | hm, mine is not a prepaid, all i know is it's 2 years old |
| 01:12.11 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 01:12.32 | techiem2-r | I picked up a kit at RadioShack |
| 01:12.47 | ColdFyre | i can't seem to find anything useful in the wiki |
| 01:12.48 | techiem2-r | then when I got home I yanked hte sim out of the included phone and stuck it in my FR |
| 01:13.01 | Dave | MWESTERS |
| 01:13.09 | ColdFyre | are there still only certain sims that work? |
| 01:13.21 | techiem2-r | there's a going list |
| 01:14.01 | timur | does openmoko play flash? |
| 01:14.22 | techiem2-r | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT |
| 01:14.30 | techiem2-r | ^known to/not to work on ATT |
| 01:14.30 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 01:14.49 | techiem2-r | flash? as in on websited? |
| 01:15.00 | timur | yea |
| 01:15.14 | techiem2-r | good question.... |
| 01:15.31 | techiem2-r | is there flash for armv4t? |
| 01:15.37 | techiem2-r | I guess would be the first q |
| 01:15.44 | timur | well, the iphone does it |
| 01:15.49 | Dave | pokes mwester |
| 01:15.52 | timur | and it's an arm chip |
| 01:15.58 | ColdFyre | 64205 |
| 01:16.02 | ColdFyre | gaayyyyy that is mine |
| 01:16.13 | ColdFyre | so, i need to buy a new sim? |
| 01:16.38 | techiem2-r | possibly |
| 01:16.39 | techiem2-r | heh |
| 01:17.07 | ColdFyre | 64205 G 3020 64K smartchip 3G(c) on back does not respond to at+cimi |
| 01:17.27 | ColdFyre | lol, i mean if there is a work around great, else i go buy a new one |
| 01:17.33 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 01:19.00 | ColdFyre | stupid ATT |
| 01:19.08 | techiem2-r | mhm |
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| 01:23.33 | *** topic/#openmoko is Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
| 01:24.19 | Dave | hehe |
| 01:24.26 | Dave | lollerpresidentialdebates |
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| 01:24.37 | Dave | meanwhile |
| 01:24.41 | Dave | Mwester, give us your code! |
| 01:24.52 | Dave | lpotter, leak us the latest! |
| 01:24.53 | mwester | 1999223 |
| 01:25.21 | Dave | :O |
| 01:25.24 | Dave | THE SECRET CODE! |
| 01:25.50 | balrog-k1n | writes it down and erases from everyone else's memory men in black style |
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| 01:36.18 | azmodie | whats a openmoke freerunner then.. does it run win xp ? |
| 01:36.40 | azmodie | doesnt relise memorys been wiped |
| 01:37.09 | bricode_ | mwester: Is your kernel git usually more recent than stable and/or Andy? |
| 01:37.10 | raster | stares in complete amazement at azmodie |
| 01:37.13 | raster | are you for real? |
| 01:38.10 | bricode_ | azmodie: Might run Windows Mobile if you really wanted it to. |
| 01:38.24 | ljp | its a new version of windows |
| 01:38.52 | ljp | secret alpha experimental version |
| 01:39.05 | azmodie | nah i'm ok. ubuntu mobile might be cool though. |
| 01:39.14 | mwester | bricode_: it's the same as stable, with a few debugging extras at the moment -- technically there should be no functional differences between stable and the kernel I have. |
| 01:39.30 | bricode_ | Ubuntu mobile was mainly targeted to the new x86 Intel platforms. |
| 01:39.31 | azmodie | if i had a choice. windows would be a banned substence. |
| 01:39.48 | bricode_ | mwester: Cool. Thanks. |
| 01:40.02 | bricode_ | mwester: Is there a pointer to the current state of 2.6.26? |
| 01:40.20 | bricode_ | Dave: You ever work out an uber-cloning method? |
| 01:40.22 | mwester | You'll have the search the om kernel mailing list for the details. |
| 01:40.30 | mwester | There's no single place for status. |
| 01:40.31 | bricode_ | mwester: Thanks. |
| 01:40.41 | bricode_ | mwester: Frustrating. |
| 01:40.51 | mwester | In a nutshell, it doesn't resume at all, so it's not useful |
| 01:41.21 | mwester | (courtesy of that beloved chip, the glamo) |
| 01:41.26 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 01:41.41 | bricode_ | mwester: Yeah, I was playing with that and some video decode. |
| 01:41.50 | ljp | mwester: AT%SLEEP= seems to cause the modem to not wake up from suspend when receiving a call/sms |
| 01:41.52 | bricode_ | Raster, you're a good man for dealing with that chip. |
| 01:42.32 | raster | aaah glamo... |
| 01:42.35 | raster | my friend |
| 01:42.37 | raster | NOT |
| 01:43.44 | unknown_lamer | azmodie: no need for ubuntu when we have debian |
| 01:43.53 | raster | no need for debian |
| 01:43.55 | raster | we have OE |
| 01:44.02 | unknown_lamer | but OE is so ... unpleasant |
| 01:44.13 | unknown_lamer | with Debian I can apt-get install clisp -> ok fully working CL environment |
| 01:44.34 | unknown_lamer | versus OE ... oh christ now I have to package this crap ... oh clisp can't really be cross compiled ... fuck |
| 01:44.38 | raster | and debian doesnt fit on flash |
| 01:44.42 | raster | which makes it utterly useless |
| 01:44.49 | unknown_lamer | I dunno why it doesn't |
| 01:44.58 | unknown_lamer | I mean ... the base install is 40M |
| 01:45.24 | unknown_lamer | what does OE do when /usr fills up? |
| 01:45.26 | mwester | ljp: :( Does it work when you remove the AT%SLEEP=4 in the suspend routine? (i.e. just let it suspend with the GSM in mode 2)? |
| 01:45.38 | raster | it doesnt |
| 01:45.42 | ljp | nope. |
| 01:45.47 | raster | as it doesnt suck in half the universe |
| 01:45.54 | unknown_lamer | what if you wanted a lot of apps |
| 01:46.04 | mwester | Yikes. Mine works ok. But my patch is different from yours... |
| 01:46.12 | raster | what useful apps do u have that work on the FR's screen? |
| 01:46.14 | mwester | still, the effect should be the same |
| 01:46.15 | raster | be serious |
| 01:46.16 | ljp | mwester: if I have any SLEEP= at all, it stops proper resume |
| 01:46.22 | raster | get rid of your stylus |
| 01:46.29 | unknown_lamer | raster: midi stuff |
| 01:46.29 | raster | then name the mountains of apps that work |
| 01:46.39 | unknown_lamer | hook up a usb midisport and then ... |
| 01:46.44 | raster | as the Fr has no place to put a stylus.. |
| 01:46.49 | raster | its not meant to have one |
| 01:47.00 | mwester | goes to test once again. |
| 01:47.08 | raster | the mountains of apps |
| 01:47.14 | raster | please list them |
| 01:47.24 | raster | :) |
| 01:47.27 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 01:47.32 | raster | (i hope you get my point) |
| 01:47.33 | unknown_lamer | step one install emacs step two flash is full |
| 01:47.36 | techiem2-r | there's a stylus loop in the carrying case |
| 01:47.37 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 01:47.41 | raster | i'm just debunking the "but debian gives me so many apps" |
| 01:47.48 | raster | the vast vast vast vast majority are useless |
| 01:47.58 | unknown_lamer | you don't need a gui for some things (I bet the FR could do some synthesis) |
| 01:48.09 | mwester | ljp: I confirmed it was asleep; it just woke up and asks me if I want to read the SMS I just got. |
| 01:48.14 | raster | and how do u intend to use them? |
| 01:48.20 | raster | while walking around?> |
| 01:48.28 | azmodie | unknown command ,115200' - try help. doh .. debian worked 10 min ago. lol. i'll fix it in a min. |
| 01:48.31 | techiem2-r | telepathic keyboard! |
| 01:48.32 | raster | how do u interact with the app? |
| 01:48.34 | unknown_lamer | raster: sitting atop my midi keyboard? |
| 01:48.43 | unknown_lamer | I could always write a new GUI frontend |
| 01:48.48 | raster | and seriously - how many apps that dont have a ui and are useful will fill up flash? |
| 01:48.50 | raster | not many |
| 01:48.54 | mwester | Heh - and even got the call charge message that went along with the SMS to tell me that just cost me 15 cents. |
| 01:49.01 | unknown_lamer | (alsa-midi is tolerable -- generally you have access to every control of every app programatically) |
| 01:49.41 | unknown_lamer | I just wish there were a working unionfs or similar ... all problems solved |
| 01:50.48 | ljp | mwester: even if I add one SLEEP=2 to the c'tor of NeoModemService it does this |
| 01:55.08 | raster | hmm |
| 01:55.15 | raster | man downgrading an oe build is hard... |
| 02:04.48 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r1830b113b803 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-basic.bb: [tasks] Set PACKAGE_ARCH after inherit task |
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| 02:04.55 | yabo | hello |
| 02:05.18 | azmodie | lo yabo |
| 02:05.19 | yabo | i was wondering, is C simply a wrapper for assembly? i.e C -> Assembly -> Machine-code, and not C -> Machine-code? |
| 02:05.54 | raster | yes |
| 02:06.07 | raster | in practice c compiler produces assembly |
| 02:06.12 | raster | assembler generates machine code |
| 02:06.22 | yabo | oki thank you very much! |
| 02:06.24 | raster | asm is just human readable machine code |
| 02:06.35 | raster | c++ is the same |
| 02:06.37 | raster | it generates asm |
| 02:06.40 | mwester | cobol too |
| 02:06.42 | raster | asm -> machine code |
| 02:06.53 | raster | at some time in the past |
| 02:06.55 | raster | c++ produced c |
| 02:07.08 | yabo | that is no longer the case? |
| 02:07.11 | raster | so the c++ compiler just generated lots of c |
| 02:07.17 | raster | then that became asm then machine code |
| 02:07.36 | raster | no |
| 02:07.38 | raster | no longer |
| 02:07.41 | raster | c++ goes direct to asm |
| 02:07.44 | yabo | alright thank you |
| 02:07.44 | raster | in gcc anyway |
| 02:07.48 | yabo | what is cobol by the way? |
| 02:08.27 | yabo | oh, and i used the term wrapper correctly there right? :P |
| 02:08.40 | raster | well no |
| 02:08.46 | raster | generator would be accurate |
| 02:08.48 | raster | wrapepr - no |
| 02:08.52 | mwester | A really old business-oriented programming language; it had the unique characteristic of making you write enormous amounts of words to do simple things. |
| 02:09.16 | yabo | oh :P |
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| 02:09.28 | yabo | Anyway, thanks a bunch! this is the only somewhat programmer-place in which people dont tend to be elitist jerks, so i figured id ask here... :-R |
| 02:09.45 | mwester | So basically with Cobol an entire line of text could become one single assemgly instruction. |
| 02:09.51 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 02:10.14 | raster | yabo: you got us in a good mood |
| 02:10.16 | raster | :) |
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| 02:10.56 | raster | mwester: i am most happy i missed that phase of the world :) |
| 02:11.34 | yabo | COBOL (pronounced /'ko?b?l/) is one of the oldest programming languages still in active use |
| 02:11.38 | raster | one day i need to write "e" the language |
| 02:11.43 | raster | just because i can |
| 02:11.43 | yabo | still in active use? |
| 02:11.51 | raster | if i ever do.. i'll make it generate c |
| 02:11.52 | raster | :) |
| 02:11.56 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 02:12.09 | raster | yabo: cobol -> dead |
| 02:12.11 | raster | or as good as |
| 02:12.26 | raster | and the few left having to maintain stu0ff in cobol wish it were dead |
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| 02:13.25 | yabo | doesnt seem like that from wikipedia |
| 02:14.02 | xaid | a lot of bank still run programs written in cobol..must be a maintenance nightmare :) |
| 02:14.08 | xaid | *banks |
| 02:14.17 | raster | irs a small minority of their systems |
| 02:14.24 | raster | and i can tell u- they wish it were dead |
| 02:14.28 | raster | been there |
| 02:14.30 | yabo | oh :p |
| 02:14.32 | raster | :) |
| 02:14.38 | raster | its mostly stuck to old mainframes |
| 02:14.42 | raster | that just refuse to go away |
| 02:14.45 | fredrin | wish the banks would die |
| 02:14.56 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 02:14.58 | yabo | you know |
| 02:15.02 | raster | fredrin: FIRST.. get your money out |
| 02:15.03 | raster | :) |
| 02:15.12 | yabo | i think cobol looks pretty okay... |
| 02:15.17 | fredrin | I'm ready :) done that, cash is king now |
| 02:15.39 | raster | yabo: you must be really twisted |
| 02:15.46 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 02:15.54 | techiem2-r | there's always pure asm..... |
| 02:15.57 | yabo | writing COMPUTE X = (-B + SQRT(B ** 2 - (4 * A * C)) / (2 * A) to calculate a root for a quadratic equation sounds pretty awesome |
| 02:16.13 | xaid | yabo: it looks like an essay where words need to be on specific columns in order to compile, otherwise the compiler will tell you that there are solar flares today, so you have to hunt for the errornous line in the code. |
| 02:16.19 | yabo | instead of the ten lines or whatever i use to do it in python |
| 02:16.24 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 02:16.41 | yabo | oh |
| 02:16.46 | yabo | heehe.. |
| 02:17.01 | xaid | at least the fujitsu cobol compiler was that way, totally useless as far as telling you where the error is :) |
| 02:17.07 | mwester | yabo: that's a newer dialect of COBOL there; I assure you the original of 20 years ago did not allow you to write that. |
| 02:17.09 | mwester | More like: |
| 02:17.37 | mwester | MULTIPLY A BY C SAVING RESULT IN D |
| 02:17.50 | xaid | didn't you need a period at the end or something too? :D |
| 02:17.56 | mwester | (something like that anyway, I let those brain cells die) |
| 02:18.05 | mwester | Oh yeah. periods. |
| 02:18.18 | mwester | And it had to be in the correct SECTION, didn't it? |
| 02:18.52 | xaid | Yea, thats the most painful issue, figuring out which section everything had to be in. The column had significance too if i remember correctly |
| 02:19.03 | mwester | And instead of "{ }" it had PARAGRAPHs |
| 02:19.28 | mwester | oh good grief now I'm goign to have flashbacks all night... :( |
| 02:19.35 | xaid | I wonder how OO COBOL is...I was lucky to skip it... |
| 02:19.38 | xaid | :D |
| 02:20.01 | yabo | you are funny :-D |
| 02:20.46 | ljp | might try kobol next time |
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| 02:27.15 | Dave | Mwester, where's 4.4? |
| 02:28.52 | yabo | joins Dave |
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| 02:34.25 | Dave | YES |
| 02:34.31 | Dave | My army, it grows... |
| 02:35.12 | techiem2-r | you forgot *evil laugh* |
| 02:35.29 | yabo | pokes mwester. oh please reply? |
| 02:36.03 | mwester | 4.4.1 has been downloadable for days now from the qt extended site. |
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| 02:36.29 | yabo | what.. |
| 02:36.56 | yabo | oh |
| 02:36.57 | yabo | meh |
| 02:37.02 | yabo | 2/10: Nokia released Qt Extended 4.4.1 (image, SDK) |
| 02:37.11 | yabo | damnit dave he beat us |
| 02:37.17 | yabo | and we are two! |
| 02:38.23 | ljp | sdk not reelased yet |
| 02:38.31 | yabo | so, since there is only a jffs2-file, i only need to replace the old rootfs? not changing the kernel in any way? |
| 02:38.43 | yabo | ljp |
| 02:38.45 | yabo | http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=85 |
| 02:38.51 | yabo | apparently that is the sdk |
| 02:40.16 | Dave | :o |
| 02:40.19 | Dave | gimme gimme gimme? |
| 02:40.21 | techiem2-r | wish I could run the qt phone stack on debian..... |
| 02:40.23 | techiem2-r | hehehe |
| 02:40.26 | Dave | lorn - go go go! |
| 02:40.51 | yabo | what is a phone stack? the part that handles all the phone-stuff? |
| 02:41.02 | techiem2-r | and the apps and such that go with it |
| 02:41.07 | yabo | okay |
| 02:41.28 | techiem2-r | 2008.8/9 uses the qt stack and I really like it |
| 02:41.44 | techiem2-r | much better than the zhone thing on debian I think |
| 02:41.45 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 02:42.17 | azmodie | i like the look of zhone though. looks more slick. |
| 02:42.27 | techiem2-r | it does look decent |
| 02:42.31 | Dave | Mwester, so what's better, your images or qtx? or what? |
| 02:42.59 | techiem2-r | mmm qt stack on xfce in debian..... |
| 02:43.02 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 02:43.05 | mwester | I don't do images -- I just make patches to test and debug and try things -- and push the fixes to those who do images. |
| 02:43.34 | Dave | I was referring to the downloads on qtx |
| 02:43.38 | Dave | :p |
| 02:43.44 | ljp | yabo: thats not a sdk that a source package |
| 02:43.49 | Dave | And yes, we are aware of your roles and contributions, mwester :) |
| 02:43.57 | yabo | oh |
| 02:44.11 | yabo | well openmoko.org frontpage links to that file as the SDK |
| 02:44.25 | ljp | it is part of an sdk |
| 02:44.37 | ljp | thats the category i put it under |
| 02:45.36 | Dave | lorns |
| 02:45.39 | Dave | what's the latest? |
| 02:46.18 | ljp | latest what? |
| 02:46.40 | Dave | Latest and the greatest? :) |
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| 02:50.28 | parodyoflanguage | Is the latest of the greatest the same as the greatest of the latest? |
| 02:50.53 | zecke | ljp: will rsync start to carry qt extended 4.4.x? |
| 02:51.32 | ljp | not at ftp.trolltech.com |
| 02:51.55 | ljp | can rsync be over http? |
| 02:52.00 | zecke | ljp: at rsync.trolltech.com |
| 02:52.04 | ljp | nope |
| 02:52.10 | ljp | wont be there |
| 02:52.12 | zecke | lovely, any reason for that? |
| 02:52.16 | ljp | only qtextended.org |
| 02:52.30 | zecke | rsync.qtextended.org then? |
| 02:52.35 | ljp | because trolltech, not nokia is distributing the gpl version of qtextended |
| 02:52.47 | ljp | I can see about setting up rsync |
| 02:53.20 | ljp | its outsourced, so we dont have full control anymore, but I will see about that |
| 02:54.02 | zecke | ljp: remove qtopia from rsync.trolltech.com then? or how long will Qtopia4.3 be maintained? |
| 02:55.17 | ljp | i believe we might have one more release of 4.3 |
| 02:55.41 | zecke | heads to the office |
| 02:56.04 | Dave | Mwester's 10/6 image? |
| 02:56.06 | azmodie | nn all |
| 02:56.14 | Dave | What are the updates/modifications for that? |
| 02:56.27 | mwester | You mean uImage -- the kernel? |
| 02:57.04 | yabo | one more release of 4.3 |
| 02:57.05 | yabo | why? |
| 02:57.44 | yabo | im flashing to 4.4 now :-D will be fun to try |
| 02:59.14 | stevenSn | is there a graphical mixer/volume control that works in 2008.09 ? |
| 03:00.44 | Dave | Mwester, it seems like your version is newer, I was wondering what secret fixes it might include that weren't listed in the latest build |
| 03:00.51 | Dave | yabo, sweet |
| 03:00.53 | Dave | me too :p |
| 03:02.11 | mwester | Dave: At present, there are no fixes compared to the Om "stable" branch -- there are a few debug features enabled. All fixes have been pushed up to Om at this point. |
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| 03:02.47 | Dave | Okay, so they finally caught up? |
| 03:04.00 | mwester | More like we finally reached an agreement on the patches. |
| 03:05.33 | Dave | heh, alright |
| 03:05.37 | Dave | well, it still sounds good |
| 03:05.47 | Dave | I'll always prefer the latest and greatest from you directly though. |
| 03:05.53 | Dave | Even if it crashes my freerunner ;) |
| 03:05.57 | techiem2-r | haha |
| 03:05.59 | mwester | heh! I hope to get out of the kernel business. |
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| 03:06.40 | mwester | My goal is to find somewhere to be the single, authoritive source for the one true kernel -- there's really no reason for every distro to have a different kernel. |
| 03:06.41 | Dave | hehe :p |
| 03:06.54 | Dave | Yeah |
| 03:07.13 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 03:07.19 | Dave | I figure eventually the rest of the world will just capitulate to the unrelenting rants and semi-standardization of raster :) |
| 03:07.21 | Sargun | no, no |
| 03:07.25 | Sargun | more kernels the marrier. |
| 03:07.29 | Sargun | merrier. |
| 03:07.38 | techiem2-r | always recompiles his gentoo kernels |
| 03:07.44 | Dave | Are you particularly merry at this point, Sargun? |
| 03:08.31 | Dave | Furthermore, isn't it a bit early in the season? :p |
| 03:09.39 | yabo | welcome to qtextended. tap anywhere on the screen to continue |
| 03:09.40 | yabo | ;D |
| 03:09.58 | mwester | And that's not even the "good" part, yabo! ;) :D |
| 03:10.13 | yabo | by the way |
| 03:10.23 | ljp | still thinks someone needs to add telelpathy to OM |
| 03:10.27 | Dave | So is it still advisable to upgrade to the latest uboot? |
| 03:10.31 | yabo | i hate how you have to click a map to select a timezone |
| 03:10.37 | yabo | i prefer scrolling through a list |
| 03:10.47 | ljp | hmmpft |
| 03:10.48 | yabo | the map is too small and inaccurate |
| 03:11.02 | ljp | zoom in |
| 03:11.29 | ljp | a list is unwieldy |
| 03:11.57 | yabo | plays with the laser while he waits for the clock to go away |
| 03:12.12 | mwester | the map works better when you have the timezones installed, I discovered. |
| 03:12.26 | ljp | yes, it does |
| 03:12.31 | rwhitby | I like a list of city names, cause Adelaide is near the top ;-) |
| 03:12.31 | ljp | so does time |
| 03:13.38 | yabo | so, whats new and fun in 4.4.1? |
| 03:13.42 | Dave | ?_? |
| 03:14.10 | yabo | cool, there is tons of stuff :-| |
| 03:14.42 | mwester | rotation! |
| 03:14.56 | mwester | Web browser |
| 03:15.13 | ljp | nothing new, its all worn out and old |
| 03:15.16 | Dave | heh |
| 03:15.29 | Dave | lorn, kind of describing yourself now, are we? |
| 03:15.30 | Dave | ;) |
| 03:15.35 | ljp | hmmm. |
| 03:15.42 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 03:15.43 | ljp | possibly. feeling that way today anyway |
| 03:15.52 | mwester | kids'll do that to you. |
| 03:15.56 | ljp | heheh |
| 03:15.57 | yabo | by the way |
| 03:15.59 | Dave | :p |
| 03:16.03 | yabo | are we dying of cancer before everyone else? |
| 03:16.26 | Dave | So, about uboot... |
| 03:16.33 | yabo | i have never owned an item making my electrical gadgets spam radiation-sounds like the freerunner does |
| 03:16.38 | mwester | uboot? obsolete too. |
| 03:17.38 | mwester | yabo: the sounds are not important -- the radiation is. The neo is actually reasonable, IIRC. There is a study on that published somewhere. |
| 03:17.46 | raster | comply! |
| 03:17.53 | mwester | Yes Sir! |
| 03:17.53 | raster | resistance is futile! |
| 03:17.54 | ljp | no! |
| 03:18.03 | ljp | resistence is everything! |
| 03:18.11 | raster | slaps ljp with a banaa |
| 03:18.15 | raster | damn banana benders! |
| 03:18.19 | raster | comply! |
| 03:18.20 | raster | :) |
| 03:18.21 | doc|home | oh, a banaa with missing n! |
| 03:18.29 | ljp | well, they gotta get bent somehow |
| 03:18.29 | doc|home | extra dagerous |
| 03:18.34 | yabo | where is Reload Documents now? |
| 03:18.54 | ljp | options menu for documents where it should have been in the first place |
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| 03:19.32 | Dave | RASTER |
| 03:19.37 | Dave | Oh noes, I've summoned him! |
| 03:19.46 | raster | COMPLY! |
| 03:19.55 | Dave | Mwester, how is uBoot obsolete? |
| 03:20.01 | mwester | Qui! |
| 03:20.02 | Dave | Raster, resistance is futile! |
| 03:20.03 | raster | spouts flames |
| 03:20.07 | mwester | or is it qi? |
| 03:20.13 | Dave | All our base are belong to you! |
| 03:20.21 | yabo | i really like how you made the keyboard fit in beneath the options and back-buttons, instead of on top |
| 03:21.15 | mwester | Dave: I presume you missed the discussions on the MLs -- the 03 will have a minimal bootloader instead of uboot. |
| 03:21.20 | mwester | No need for uboot really. |
| 03:21.24 | Dave | I know |
| 03:21.29 | Dave | But guess where we are now. :p |
| 03:21.31 | yabo | oh and.. the black keyboard, is it possible to disable the dictionary and just use it as a keyboard? (yeah i call it the black keyboard) |
| 03:21.53 | ljp | hold down a lteer |
| 03:21.53 | ljp | letter |
| 03:21.53 | Dave | black keyboard? |
| 03:21.57 | Dave | is there a white one, too? :p |
| 03:22.11 | ljp | 'smart' keyoard |
| 03:22.11 | yabo | yes -.- |
| 03:22.15 | Dave | heh |
| 03:22.16 | ieatlint | if not, then i accuse qte of being racist |
| 03:22.21 | Dave | yeah :P |
| 03:22.23 | Dave | high-fives lint |
| 03:22.28 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 03:22.38 | ljp | pixels are not a race |
| 03:22.43 | ieatlint | oh, and is qte supposed to sound or be pronouncd like "cute" ? |
| 03:22.48 | Dave | :P |
| 03:22.49 | Dave | haha |
| 03:22.52 | Dave | terrible |
| 03:22.58 | mattl | yeah, Qt is pronounced 'cute' |
| 03:23.11 | mwester | Guess where you are? Somewhere in california, in a dark damp room with bars on the windows high up on the wall, and a rickety wooden set of stairs vanishing up into the gloom near the ceiling, with a bare 100 watt lightbuld hanging over a stained table, upon which a dozen Freerunners in various stages of eviseration lie. |
| 03:23.25 | ljp | i pronounce it 'qrack' |
| 03:23.26 | mattl | GO NORTH |
| 03:23.36 | ieatlint | funny, i've only heard qt pronounced qt... guess i just don't hang with enough qt guys in real life |
| 03:23.58 | ljp | yes, we all pronounce it 'cute' |
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| 03:24.29 | Dave | no, we don't |
| 03:24.32 | mattl | Q T is basically cutey anyway. |
| 03:24.38 | ieatlint | this sounds about on par with those guys who insist the g in gnome isn't silent |
| 03:24.54 | raster | boo-t |
| 03:25.04 | ieatlint | hah |
| 03:25.06 | mattl | ieatlint: my wife thinks it weird that I pronounce gnocchi (the pasta) with a hard g. |
| 03:25.21 | Dave | shit |
| 03:25.21 | ieatlint | mattl, she's right ;) |
| 03:25.27 | raster | mattl: i think it is also strange |
| 03:25.29 | Dave | why don't I get dev ACM0 anymore :[ |
| 03:25.31 | Dave | craps |
| 03:25.39 | mattl | i say "GNU" a hundred million times a day. i see a 'gn' and it's a "gnuh" noise. |
| 03:25.41 | Dave | dude it's like gnome |
| 03:25.44 | ieatlint | the thing i learnt about women, is on those kinds of things, she's right -- even if she's wrong, you'll be better off ignoring it :P |
| 03:25.54 | Dave | GEENOME |
| 03:26.07 | ieatlint | no one says geenome for gnome |
| 03:26.08 | raster | geenough! |
| 03:26.10 | Dave | lint, good advice :) |
| 03:26.15 | Dave | RASTER :D |
| 03:26.16 | Dave | YES |
| 03:26.19 | Dave | hails Raster |
| 03:26.21 | raster | comply! |
| 03:26.22 | raster | :) |
| 03:26.23 | ieatlint | people say "guh-nome" or they pronounce it like the english word gnome |
| 03:26.33 | mwester | figures that perhaps it's better that the phones don't work, because we can't agree on how to pronounce the words in the first place. |
| 03:26.45 | Dave | :D |
| 03:26.46 | Dave | yeah |
| 03:26.50 | mattl | mwester: gnonsense. |
| 03:26.53 | Dave | lint, apparently not mattl :P |
| 03:26.55 | ieatlint | damn right, it's freer-unner |
| 03:26.56 | mwester | hehe |
| 03:26.58 | Dave | hahaha, GEENOUGH |
| 03:26.58 | raster | hands off my risotto |
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| 03:27.16 | mattl | um yeah. now make my phone work awesome ;) |
| 03:27.44 | yabo | by the way |
| 03:27.50 | yabo | i made this background for my freerunner |
| 03:27.54 | yabo | http://bildr.no/view/267200 |
| 03:28.04 | Dave | goddamnit |
| 03:28.16 | techiem2-r | I need to change mine sometime.... |
| 03:28.17 | ieatlint | if there were an easy way to watch porn on the phone, i wonder if all this complaining would diminish |
| 03:28.23 | yabo | but i cant seem to make it my background.. |
| 03:28.27 | mattl | yabo: where did you get that image? it's my sister. |
| 03:28.32 | Dave | uggh |
| 03:28.34 | yabo | piss off, mattl :p |
| 03:28.42 | Dave | those stupid fucking spelling mistakes in uBoot still irritate me :p |
| 03:28.50 | mattl | Dave: spelling mistakes? |
| 03:28.52 | ieatlint | mattl, why are you trying to find a source of sexy images of your sister? |
| 03:28.53 | Dave | yeah |
| 03:28.54 | ieatlint | wait, nm |
| 03:28.55 | Dave | in the output |
| 03:28.57 | ieatlint | i don't want to know |
| 03:29.09 | mattl | ieatlint: because they're supposed to PAY ;) |
| 03:29.21 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 03:29.47 | ieatlint | somehow i can just see you going after your sisters boyfriend and demanding that he pay |
| 03:29.54 | yabo | how do i clear a userpassword on linux? |
| 03:30.10 | mattl | ieatlint: i don't even have a sister. |
| 03:30.11 | yabo | i get no password supplied when i try to use passwd |
| 03:30.31 | ieatlint | then you just have a sick fantasy |
| 03:30.38 | raster | gives mattl $1 for his sister |
| 03:30.43 | mattl | or i was joking. |
| 03:30.54 | Dave | okay so why are there TWO separate "Set console to serial" entries? |
| 03:31.30 | ieatlint | there should be one for usb serial and one for serial over jtag methinks |
| 03:31.52 | mwester | your uboot environment is messed up. |
| 03:31.54 | Dave | yeah but there is no differentiation |
| 03:32.04 | Dave | mwester I just flashed the latest stable uboot to nand |
| 03:32.11 | Dave | don't complain to me! |
| 03:32.21 | Dave | Also, I'm flashing your kernel, presently :) |
| 03:32.25 | mwester | That just flashed uboot, doesn't change the environment |
| 03:32.30 | Dave | yeah yeah |
| 03:32.34 | Dave | if only! |
| 03:32.50 | mwester | don't forget the modules, or you'll be sorry (maybe, someday... depends if you ever need the modules...) |
| 03:33.17 | Dave | uh oh |
| 03:33.23 | yabo | wishes qtopia came with nano |
| 03:33.24 | Dave | the modules! |
| 03:33.29 | Dave | hoenoes! |
| 03:33.30 | yabo | anyway, clearing userpasswords. anyone? |
| 03:34.04 | Dave | mwester, this is a stickup, gimme all your modules, SLOWLY! |
| 03:34.36 | mwester | points Dave to the web page, where the modules are clearly called out. |
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| 03:35.54 | Dave | :P |
| 03:36.23 | ieatlint | yabo, passwd should do it |
| 03:36.45 | Dave | passwd: This is a stickup, give me all your passwords! |
| 03:38.15 | ieatlint | try "passwd -d" |
| 03:38.19 | yabo | ok thank you |
| 03:38.36 | Dave | omgwtfnextbushax |
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| 03:41.03 | yabo | why wont Pictures find my images? |
| 03:41.23 | yabo | the appearance -> background cant find them either |
| 03:41.35 | yabo | pictures are on /media/card/wallpapers |
| 03:41.48 | mwester | Need to be in /media/card/Documents |
| 03:41.49 | Dave | go mwester go! |
| 03:41.57 | Dave | make your way into my nand! |
| 03:42.37 | mwester | waits for Dave to notice his FR beginning to smoke and the plastic melting |
| 03:42.45 | yabo | Homescreen -> picture doesnt work either |
| 03:42.47 | Dave | OH SHI |
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| 03:43.35 | mwester | yabo: qt extended sees nothing that isn't in a "Documents" directory -- this was done so that it wouldn't see the various downloaded GPS maps... |
| 03:43.35 | Dave | retracile! |
| 03:43.38 | break_free | yeah, i installed qt extended a day or two ago and it really flies! |
| 03:43.45 | yabo | oh |
| 03:43.50 | Dave | mwester, I wish it would :P |
| 03:43.56 | yabo | where are the Documents-directories? |
| 03:44.00 | mwester | then symlink them, Dave! |
| 03:44.09 | mwester | You need to create them. |
| 03:44.10 | Dave | oh naughty and hot! |
| 03:44.12 | yabo | oh ok |
| 03:44.14 | yabo | i see |
| 03:44.15 | yabo | thanks |
| 03:44.27 | Dave | don't worry I destroyed one of my latter qt installs that way! :D |
| 03:44.29 | mwester | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.36 | Dave | and by destroy I mean, made it my bitch... |
| 03:44.39 | Dave | it wasn |
| 03:44.46 | Dave | it wasn't entirely compliant in the end though :\ |
| 03:45.08 | Dave | mwester, I think I ended up symlinking / to ~/Documents |
| 03:45.14 | Dave | and it overloaded/exploded |
| 03:45.18 | retracile | Dave! |
| 03:45.23 | Dave | fucking scanning program |
| 03:45.24 | mwester | Kinda like that Hadron? |
| 03:45.46 | Dave | ;) |
| 03:45.51 | Dave | something like that, yeah :P |
| 03:46.42 | slaxxin | remote dertructionn yay |
| 03:47.16 | yabo | mwester, is it possible to change the background image used in the menus? |
| 03:47.16 | prjktdtnt | Has anyone been using qtextended in here, have the suspend issues been corrected yet? |
| 03:47.18 | Dave | Qtopia Extended: ENGAGE! |
| 03:47.28 | break_free | is the reason why qt extended's point release was so different because of Nokia? |
| 03:47.45 | break_free | prjktdtnt: i haven't been having any suspend issues |
| 03:47.50 | mwester | prjktdtnt: Works For Me(tm) |
| 03:47.51 | slaxxin | yaya |
| 03:48.05 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r1631ce345412 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [Qtopia] Fix the missmatch of packages alias. |
| 03:48.53 | prjktdtnt | rock on, using their kernel or the mwester one? I know some in the mailing list have had problems with it |
| 03:48.55 | slaxxin | so when do the walls come down? |
| 03:49.34 | Dave | haha - the first thing qtx wants me to do when it boots is to TAP IT! |
| 03:49.36 | Dave | ;P |
| 03:49.40 | break_free | prjktdtnt, mwester's |
| 03:49.46 | slaxxin | lololololol |
| 03:49.55 | prjktdtnt | break_free and mwester: thanks |
| 03:50.30 | ljp | break_free: no, its because 4.4.0 was only released to customers as a beta version |
| 03:50.49 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r2b7be62e987a 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [Qtopia] Sorry forgot adding PR. Update PR to 48 |
| 03:50.58 | ljp | PM has a screwy idea about .0 version releases |
| 03:51.35 | Dave | uh huh |
| 03:51.44 | slaxxin | may not be screwy |
| 03:52.08 | yabo | i cant click links in the browser :S |
| 03:52.22 | yabo | well i can click them, but nothing happens |
| 03:52.32 | yabo | get a little 10% in the corner |
| 03:52.36 | yabo | which goes away |
| 03:52.37 | yabo | then nothing |
| 03:52.58 | Dave | it wants you to touch it! |
| 03:54.23 | Dave | ROFL |
| 03:54.40 | slaxxin | touch it more |
| 03:54.42 | Dave | mwester, I'm sorry now |
| 03:54.53 | yabo | yay now it works |
| 03:54.57 | Dave | The first thing that happens when it boots it the date screen after the initial splash screen |
| 03:55.03 | Dave | after clicking Finish, it segfaults :P |
| 03:55.08 | Dave | and launches over again |
| 03:55.10 | yabo | thats what you get for trying stupid news-sites before normal html-pages |
| 03:56.09 | slaxxin | so which mapping/gps program is preferred atm |
| 03:56.37 | slaxxin | fo qtx |
| 03:57.29 | slaxxin | dave since u have 9 spare freerunners |
| 03:57.39 | yabo | Set speed-dial is really buggy |
| 03:57.50 | yabo | just to say it somewhere.. |
| 03:57.57 | doc|home | what do I need to enable in the kernel on my desktop to allow usb networking to my freerunner? |
| 03:57.57 | Dave | heh |
| 03:58.00 | Dave | eww |
| 03:58.11 | Dave | Mmm... fugly as ever :D |
| 03:58.16 | Dave | I guess some things never change ;) |
| 03:58.45 | slaxxin | unless u get ubuntu |
| 03:58.48 | techiem2-r | usb gadget support I think it was |
| 03:58.52 | Dave | heh |
| 03:58.55 | Dave | scrolling is kind of fucked up |
| 03:58.59 | techiem2-r | wiki says... |
| 03:59.19 | yabo | aww there is still no repository? |
| 03:59.34 | yabo | what is the url to the om2008 -repository? |
| 03:59.44 | yabo | should that to be for? |
| 03:59.59 | slaxxin | isnt there 3 |
| 04:00.17 | doc|home | techiem2-r: thanks |
| 04:00.22 | yabo | mwester linked me to one once when i was trying to get python |
| 04:00.24 | yabo | hint hint.. |
| 04:00.58 | slaxxin | an ya didnt save that link? |
| 04:01.01 | yabo | oh yes |
| 04:01.02 | yabo | http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/ |
| 04:01.10 | yabo | yeah i did, but only on my phone |
| 04:01.18 | Dave | it's noticibly laggier, too :\ |
| 04:01.19 | Dave | ick |
| 04:01.51 | Dave | lpotter, do I have to activate some swap on this bitch? |
| 04:02.16 | ljp | no |
| 04:02.22 | slaxxin | swap for the sdcard? |
| 04:02.57 | Dave | Hopefully someone can resolve the scrolling issues. |
| 04:03.03 | Dave | it seems like an interesting idea |
| 04:03.10 | Dave | probably more useful in actual applications though |
| 04:03.38 | Dave | it's funny |
| 04:03.53 | Dave | it's like they tried to take the ellastic scrolling from om2007 and dump it in qtopia |
| 04:03.59 | Dave | which is epic fail |
| 04:04.05 | Dave | because that scrolling was terrible |
| 04:04.10 | Dave | and qtopia's was fine before |
| 04:04.25 | ljp | heh thats not from om |
| 04:04.44 | Dave | well, it's similar anyway :) |
| 04:04.53 | ljp | om didnt come up with that idea either |
| 04:04.56 | Dave | granted it's not AS bad, but I'm still having real problems navigating the menus |
| 04:05.02 | Dave | of course they didn't |
| 04:05.11 | Dave | but I'm sure they wrote their own |
| 04:05.15 | slaxxin | i thought the scrolling in qtx was great |
| 04:05.49 | slaxxin | didnt stop or jump |
| 04:07.04 | raster | that finger scrolling in 2007 was arsetastic |
| 04:07.21 | doc|home | grrr, I can't see USB Network Adapters under Device Drivers -> USB support |
| 04:07.42 | slaxxin | is it slackware? |
| 04:08.01 | doc|home | gentoo |
| 04:08.48 | doc|home | it's in my .config |
| 04:09.59 | doc|home | nm, got it |
| 04:10.24 | yabo | GOD im going crazy |
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| 04:10.32 | yabo | radiation-spam2k |
| 04:10.33 | yabo | oh hai |
| 04:12.17 | str4nd | doc|home: Device Drivers -> Network device support -> USB Network Adapters |
| 04:13.43 | str4nd | ahh, you got it (grr...) |
| 04:14.34 | slaxxin | yay its at the very bottom in the kernel config |
| 04:14.40 | doc|home | hehe, thanks anyway str4nd |
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| 04:19.55 | yabo | im going to bed |
| 04:19.58 | yabo | thanks for all the help |
| 04:19.59 | yabo | bai |
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| 04:34.29 | Dave | fucking qtopia... |
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| 04:37.47 | slaxxin | well dave |
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| 04:38.13 | slaxxin | what is it working too good lolol |
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| 04:40.47 | ljp | :) |
| 04:40.50 | ljp | probably |
| 04:40.58 | Dave | hardly |
| 04:41.08 | Dave | more like hanging up, sucking, and lagging |
| 04:41.18 | Dave | the first two were always the case |
| 04:41.21 | Dave | the latter is new :( |
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| 04:43.43 | ljp | lagging... ? |
| 04:44.10 | Dave | Yes :( |
| 04:44.17 | Dave | fairly badly sometimes too |
| 04:44.21 | Dave | It's totally disappointing. |
| 04:44.27 | ljp | as in whats laggin? |
| 04:45.08 | Dave | I can detail some things if you'd like :) |
| 04:45.24 | ljp | yes |
| 04:45.51 | slaxxin | please do |
| 04:46.44 | slaxxin | just a few guideliness,,, |
| 04:47.20 | slaxxin | if u palm yourself in the forrehead,,, make sure the moko is in the other hand |
| 04:48.25 | slaxxin | must be a paragraph full of stuff potter |
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| 04:51.39 | ljp | ya |
| 04:53.26 | Dave | Also, the terminal app already crashed thrice. |
| 04:53.51 | Dave | slaxxin, I could easily write a short paper on the downfalls of the qtopia distribution. |
| 04:54.01 | Dave | I'd enjoy writing it, too! :D |
| 04:54.04 | Dave | heh |
| 04:54.18 | ljp | qtopia is not a distribution |
| 04:54.28 | raster | its yo momma |
| 04:55.08 | slaxxin | so what linux flavor is the base of qtopia? |
| 04:55.26 | ljp | whatever om is using |
| 04:55.46 | ljp | I just remove non needed stuff |
| 04:55.48 | techiem2-r | angstrom apparently |
| 04:55.51 | ljp | like x |
| 04:55.52 | raster | whihc om? |
| 04:56.05 | ljp | downloads.om/org |
| 04:56.10 | raster | (OE? 2008.08? .09?) |
| 04:56.15 | raster | ok |
| 04:56.30 | raster | OE's upstream sucking of om's changes is not that greaty |
| 04:56.33 | raster | great |
| 04:56.43 | raster | a lot don't make it |
| 04:56.45 | ljp | probably move to fso if mwester can get his non x rootfs working well |
| 04:57.13 | mwester | is testing another spin of that now |
| 04:58.01 | raster | plays spin the mwester |
| 04:58.38 | ljp | mwester: SLEEP is now working again ;/ |
| 04:58.46 | mwester | Amazing things happened when I got rid of python-efl |
| 04:58.50 | Dave | :D |
| 04:58.54 | ljp | ha |
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| 05:09.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4704 10/developers/werner/wep/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 05:09.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Lots of small cleanup. |
| 05:09.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - wepkey.c (wepkey_128, wepkey_64): also fail if the key index is out of range |
| 05:09.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: or if the key length is zero |
| 05:09.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - wepkey.c (wepkey_64): simplified the PRNG loops and avoided an ugly cast |
| 05:09.24 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - wep.c (dump): allow errors (-1) to be passed and report them |
| 05:09.26 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - wep.c (main, usage): accept key index as optional argument |
| 05:17.16 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4705 10/developers/werner/wep/ (Makefile tests/Makefile wepkey.c wepkey.h): |
| 05:17.16 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Cleanup, part 2. Code move separated for clarity. |
| 05:17.16 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - wepkey.h, wepkey.c: reversed order of wepkey_64 and wepkey_128 |
| 05:17.16 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - tests/Makefile (all): run all tests |
| 05:17.16 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - Makefile (clean): also clean up tests/ |
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| 06:46.02 | rpx__ | Hey, I have problems compiling the kernels (ex origin/stabile origin/andy).. I can't find asm/arch/gta02.h |
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| 07:01.10 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:24.33 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03laforge 07zecke * r017271c84a1f 10/ (common/cmd_terminal.c common/serial.c include/serial.h): Fix init of non-console serial lines |
| 07:24.34 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03laforge 07zecke * r1746c3657337 10/cpu/arm920t/s3c24x0/serial.c: Enable hardware flow control for GSM/GPS |
| 07:24.35 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03laforge 07zecke * r414367bf5b65 10/drivers/usb/usbdfu.c: u-boot: Fix DFU upload in u-boot |
| 07:24.35 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03ich 07zecke * ra33a79709258 10/board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c: [gta02] Remove the code as it is marked liked this |
| 07:24.36 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03ich 07zecke * r7bc7ee92fdd8 10/ (cpu/arm920t/s3c24x0/nand.c include/configs/neo1973_gta02.h): [s3c2440] Enable hardware ECC for large page NAND devices |
| 07:24.39 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03ich 07zecke * r6fe2cd603ea2 10/Makefile: Add a small hint that this is my u-boot. |
| 07:25.03 | mickey|tw | *nod* |
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| 07:35.24 | ColdFyre | not seeing the sim card .. kernel issue or openmoko issue? |
| 07:35.39 | ColdFyre | (i'm wondering if qtopia might work) |
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| 07:38.23 | lpotter | depends on your sim. some 3g sim are known not to work |
| 07:39.00 | ColdFyre | according to the openmoko wiki mine does not work |
| 07:39.14 | ColdFyre | i'm not sure what the underlying factors are though |
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| 07:41.19 | ColdFyre | i.e hardware itself, kernel, or the distro |
| 07:42.32 | CM_work | I think it was some firmware issue for the gsm modem, but I'm not sure about that |
| 07:43.37 | ColdFyre | if so, wouldn't that be kernel level? |
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| 07:45.25 | Sargun | no |
| 07:45.34 | Sargun | that would be GSM chipset level. |
| 07:45.42 | Sargun | that's where openness stops |
| 07:46.47 | CM_work | I have the old GTA01 version that has even older gsm firmware, and there even more sim cards didn't work |
| 07:47.36 | Sargun | TI gives them the firmware |
| 07:47.37 | Sargun | IIRC |
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| 07:51.19 | ColdFyre | what i'm wondering is..what can i do |
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| 07:59.46 | lpotter | get a different sim if possible |
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| 08:40.32 | Gnutoo | hello, when i try to install the framework from git i've got the following error: error: Cython does not appear to be installed on platform 'posix' and sys.platform returns linux2 |
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| 09:05.21 | mickey|tw | install the framework where? |
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| 09:18.41 | TAsn | hey i can't find out what deps i need for pygtk to work with fso3 import gtk always returns can't import no such module. |
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| 09:19.26 | mickey|tw | python-gtk |
| 09:19.38 | mickey|tw | pygtk, that is |
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| 09:20.55 | TAsn | mickey|zzZZzz, thanks, though i tried that. |
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| 09:21.54 | LionKMP | hi, OE build of ASU fails with openembedded/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11/Xsession.d/89qtopia: no such file or directory. Any ideas? |
| 09:25.09 | zecke | LionKMP: yes, your machine is not om-gta01 and not om-gta02 |
| 09:25.34 | LionKMP | Hi, yep, it's x86, I am following the Xephyr description on the Wiki. |
| 09:25.50 | zecke | LionKMP: which one? |
| 09:26.14 | LionKMP | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Openmoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr |
| 09:27.14 | zecke | LionKMP: and that says openmoko-devel-image and not openmoko-asu-image/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image :) |
| 09:27.20 | LionKMP | thanks for the gtk-config reply on my xbill "bug report" ;-) |
| 09:27.41 | zecke | LionKMP: hehe, I have put xbill on my list of things to hack, should be farily easy |
| 09:28.27 | zecke | LionKMP: your machine is "x86"? then do cp -a openembedded/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11/qtopia-phone-x11/om-gta02 to openembedded/packages/qtopia-phone-x11/qtopia-phone-x11/x86 |
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| 09:31.08 | LionKMP | ok, I try. I did "make image", actually I think I am following multiple guidelines. |
| 09:32.33 | LionKMP | zecke: wow, I think it went on this time. Thank you! |
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| 09:33.46 | LionKMP | do you guys use x86 executables for development? This seems to be the best way to me, from the many possible options. |
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| 09:34.26 | zecke | LionKMP: I do most things on x86 but not from within openembedded |
| 09:34.53 | LionKMP | hm, do you run the apps plain on your real linux? |
| 09:35.18 | LionKMP | I think I tried to compile openmoko-mediaplayer2 that way once. (I tried so many things ;-D ) |
| 09:36.29 | zecke | LionKMP: back with Om2007.7 I just needed to set the gtkrc theme path/environment |
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| 09:36.51 | zecke | LionKMP: with illume/qtopia I run it in xephyr but only compile e (using get_e.sh) and qtopia |
| 09:38.06 | LionKMP | sounds cool! I think this is "undocumented" method so far. |
| 09:38.35 | LionKMP | I will have almost the same but with complete OE. |
| 09:38.59 | LionKMP | hm, do you think x86 output code will be runnable on x86_64 Linux? (I really hope so!) :) |
| 09:39.08 | LionKMP | there is no machine x86_64 in OE. |
| 09:39.46 | mjr | if you have the x86 libraries and the program loader and all are aware of them, yeah |
| 09:40.19 | LionKMP | mjr: I have only those 32 bit libs which were needed for Firefox3 (binary blob download :) ). |
| 09:40.30 | LionKMP | but I can install any 32 bit stuff, yes. |
| 09:40.35 | LionKMP | Mandriva provides them. |
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| 09:41.05 | TAsnn | well i guess the pygtk package in fso3 is just broken ;\ |
| 09:41.43 | mickey|tw | really? |
| 09:41.47 | mickey|tw | i'd be surprised |
| 09:41.55 | mickey|tw | what happens exactly? |
| 09:42.59 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mail * r38cfd778cf3f 10/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [gsm] Move detecting of supplementary service detection to one place |
| 09:43.00 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke * r91d64283e87e 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/ (vendor_ficgta01.cpp vendor_ficgta01_p.h): [gsm/ficgta01] Use CUSD instead of ATD to send supplementary messages |
| 09:44.30 | TAsnn | mickey|tw, won't import gtk |
| 09:45.14 | mickey|tw | care to give error messages instead of your interpretation of error messages, please |
| 09:45.17 | mickey|tw | ? |
| 09:45.28 | jones_kipping | the from the wiki Terminal - Commando prompt |
| 09:45.30 | mickey|tw | [assuming you have installed python-pygtk] |
| 09:45.35 | TAsnn | mickey|tw, sure, i just had to ssh first |
| 09:45.37 | TAsnn | ImportError: No module named gtk |
| 09:45.40 | TAsnn | mickey|tw, i have. |
| 09:45.53 | mickey|tw | what does ipkg list python-pygtk say? |
| 09:46.19 | TAsnn | wait, weird. it doesn't say it's installed. |
| 09:46.35 | TAsnn | though i did opkg install python-pygtk |
| 09:47.33 | TAsnn | mickey|tw, sorry for your time, further investagation is needed ;] |
| 09:47.37 | mickey|tw | np |
| 09:47.55 | mickey|tw | i guess we'll be seeing pygtk and pyqt in future images by default anyways |
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| 09:48.16 | TAsnn | mickey|tw, that sounds like a good idea :) |
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| 09:56.35 | jones_ | if i dont have networking, do i have to use usb to connect together, or can i out packages on the sd card |
| 09:56.52 | LionKMP | out? |
| 09:57.36 | LionKMP | yes, if you copy package to the sd card, you can install by "opkg install /media/card/some-package.1.1.ipk" |
| 09:57.42 | avtobiff | hi, i just bought a freerunner that is waiting for me at home. (yay \o/) I wonder which (or what, if any) sd-cards work with the freerunner and OM. are there any 8 GB that are reported to work? I have looked at the sd-card support list at openmoko.org but it didn't enlighten me that much since i don't know which version of what is used. |
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| 09:57.57 | LionKMP | jones_ but it's easyier to set up networking than rebooting for every dependncy :-) |
| 09:58.47 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick * r7c86cbbcb4b7 10/src/libraries/qtopiacomm/serial/qatutils.cpp: [Data Coding Scheme] Put the table of Data Coding Scheme according to 3GPP TS 23.038 section 5 |
| 09:58.47 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick * r0185f1ad7bc4 10/src/libraries/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [CUSD] decode the cusd string with default codec. |
| 09:59.10 | jones_ | okay, some reason network manager has a problem with multiple connections.... |
| 10:02.13 | LionKMP | avtobiff: where is that SD card article? (I don't know the answer, just wanna check the article) |
| 10:02.26 | avtobiff | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards |
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| 10:03.46 | LionKMP | is this for Neo1973? (It says so in the categories on the bottom) |
| 10:04.09 | gromez | avtobiff: I have a SanDisk 8GB microSD card and it works fine with latest mwester kernel |
| 10:04.50 | LionKMP | gromez: and not with some other kernel? (dunno what is mwester kernel, but probably I don't have that then :) ) |
| 10:04.58 | LionKMP | with "official kernel"? |
| 10:05.03 | avtobiff | gromez, great. thanks. |
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| 10:05.22 | avtobiff | gromez, oh yeah. what is mwester kernel? |
| 10:05.45 | LionKMP | I saw that on QT Extended's website, on Trolltech website. |
| 10:06.04 | gromez | LionKMP: with official kernel I have to add some glamo fixes to u-boot and it didn't work very well even this fixes |
| 10:06.18 | gromez | http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels |
| 10:06.19 | avtobiff | LionKMP, hmm. i don't know if it is for the neo1973. i got there from the freerunner start howto |
| 10:06.27 | LionKMP | "glamo fixes to uboot" - is that for the SD card support? |
| 10:06.40 | gromez | LionKMP: yes |
| 10:06.57 | LionKMP | avtobiff: hehe, then probably not for Neo, I'll re-categorize it I think. |
| 10:07.07 | LionKMP | gromez: ok, thanks. I'll try when in trouble :) |
| 10:07.45 | gromez | with mwester kernel, no additionnal parameters to u-boot and it works :) |
| 10:08.01 | avtobiff | gromez, LionKMP, thanks. i'll buy a 8GB SanDisk :) |
| 10:08.12 | LionKMP | :) |
| 10:08.16 | gromez | avtobiff: np ;) |
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| 10:09.45 | LionKMP | I think those uboots mentioned on the sd page are very old. |
| 10:09.51 | LionKMP | I have 1.3.2 in NOR. |
| 10:10.45 | LionKMP | hehe, and 1.3.2 in NAND too, but the date displayed next to it differs by serveral months. |
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| 10:17.06 | LionKMP | zecke: shoudn't these OE build issues be reported or fixed? I got another one, where "DEVICE" word appears literally, resulting in no such file or directory (in a place where directory names like "ficgta01" "n800" etc exit) |
| 10:17.27 | LionKMP | sed: can't read /home/lion/coding/openmoko/moko/build/tmp/work/x86-angstrom-linux/qtopia-phone-x11-4.3.2+git0+563d5f4c781efe1a11680c6a055b409034b528ab-r39.2/git/devices/DEVICE/mkspecs/qws/linux-oe-g++/qmake.conf: No such file or directory |
| 10:18.02 | viq | Wow, that's some file path |
| 10:18.15 | LionKMP | :D |
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| 10:18.56 | jones_ | im having trouble with the manual config |
| 10:19.03 | jones_ | for usb networking.... |
| 10:19.22 | LionKMP | hsot os and om distro? |
| 10:19.25 | jones_ | cant get dns to resovle, if i move to trying to automatic ones, am i likely to have more luck |
| 10:19.36 | jones_ | ubuntu 8.04 om2008.9 |
| 10:20.00 | LionKMP | did you add the >>resolv.conf parts to ifup-eth0 on Neo? |
| 10:20.23 | LionKMP | DNS servers are hardcoded there usually, that's why I saw in docs and so I did. |
| 10:20.50 | jones_ | i did the echo xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx to resolv.conf with the open dns servers |
| 10:21.01 | LionKMP | up echo, you mean. |
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| 10:21.33 | jones_ | no i just echo'ed them in |
| 10:21.41 | LionKMP | and do you see them in "cat /etc/resolv.conf"? |
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| 10:23.05 | LionKMP | I use my ISP's DNS servers |
| 10:23.07 | jones_ | yeah |
| 10:23.26 | jones_ | im on a uni wifi network, things are a bit tricky |
| 10:24.04 | LionKMP | neo -> usb -> pc -> wifi -> internet? |
| 10:24.07 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rae23d6fd70da 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/error.py: ogsmd: add dbus error org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.NotReady |
| 10:24.07 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra9f09e85aa5f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: raise org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.NotReady for CME Error 100 |
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| 10:25.17 | jones_ | yeah |
| 10:25.51 | jones_ | i added the lines to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:26.02 | jones_ | i must have read that wrong first time |
| 10:26.35 | jones_ | though no change |
| 10:27.03 | LionKMP | and can you ping the router? I needed to run "internet sharing" wizard on Mandriva to allow the NAT forwarding. |
| 10:27.26 | jones_ | i can ping google from om |
| 10:27.40 | LionKMP | cool |
| 10:27.41 | jones_ | but through the ip given in the wiki |
| 10:27.49 | jones_ | im just not getting dns |
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| 10:28.27 | LionKMP | I would try the same DNS servers as on my PC's /etc/resolv.conf, that's at leat guaranteed to work. |
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| 10:29.30 | jones_ | thanks that worked |
| 10:29.35 | LionKMP | :) |
| 10:29.47 | jones_ | i dont know why i didnt think of that, i was already looking at my laptops dns |
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| 10:32.28 | jones_ | Collected errors: * Could not obtain administrative lock |
| 10:32.41 | jones_ | trying to run from ssh |
| 10:33.14 | LionKMP | killall packagekitd |
| 10:33.32 | LionKMP | and quit the installer on the phone first :) |
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| 10:33.53 | LionKMP | installer keeps the lock for 5 minutes, the killall packagekit helps |
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| 10:34.54 | bjdooks | has anyone had problems reading Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf with acroread under linux? acroread can't find the font Tahoma, and I can't find any good instructions on howto fix this |
| 10:35.05 | jones_ | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 10:35.51 | LionKMP | jones_ I think that's the no such package, I saw that many times. what are you trying to opkg install? |
| 10:36.29 | jones_ | terminal |
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| 10:40.15 | jones_ | yeah, im being more of a fool |
| 10:41.23 | jones_ | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install openmoko-terminal2 |
| 10:41.25 | jones_ | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 10:41.59 | jones_ | it might be a problem with the repos, im not sure if any are set up none appear in the graphical installer |
| 10:44.40 | jones_ | 2: Error parsing config file |
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| 10:54.38 | jones_ | all the sig checks are failing |
| 10:54.58 | gromez | jones_: opkg list | grep terminal |
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| 10:56.00 | jones_ | what would that show me? |
| 10:56.25 | gromez | jones_: all packages that contains "terminal" |
| 10:56.27 | jones_ | wait, no i have the package name, the wiki says error 2 is a config file problem |
| 10:57.04 | gromez | yes but does openmoko-terminal2 listed in opkg list ? |
| 10:58.16 | jones_ | ill check after the update |
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| 11:08.40 | reenzo | openmoko w/debian: it worked like a charm, now it gets dark while I am working. if I push a button Power/Aux it returns bright. It seems that it does not take into account the activity of the touch screen to return at full brightness. Is there a cleaner solution than rebooting the unit? |
| 11:11.39 | jones_ | okay there package isnt there |
| 11:13.59 | jones_ | the package |
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| 11:43.58 | LionKMP | Package: openmoko-terminal2 |
| 11:44.03 | LionKMP | Status: install user installed |
| 11:45.39 | LionKMP | jones_: here is the list of my sources, is your one similar? http://www.pastebin.ca/1222637 |
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| 12:08.16 | mowah | where's the terminal in om2008.9? |
| 12:08.41 | LionKMP | it must be installed separately |
| 12:08.53 | beni_ | mowah: opkg isntall openmoko-terminal2 |
| 12:09.04 | LionKMP | :) |
| 12:09.10 | beni_ | where is rasters keyboard gone in the repos? |
| 12:09.22 | mowah | thx :) |
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| 12:10.00 | LionKMP | I think you can install that from the installer too (the terminal) |
| 12:10.25 | beni_ | is there something like dpkg --get-selections in opkg? |
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| 12:23.36 | mowah | Collected errors: |
| 12:23.36 | mowah | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.55 | mowah | what to do then? sudo won't work |
| 12:24.09 | mowah | trying to install scummvm |
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| 12:24.21 | Dave | Moo |
| 12:24.41 | Dave | throws qtips at lpotter |
| 12:24.45 | mac2k | mowah: killall packagekit |
| 12:24.47 | jtickle | oink |
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| 12:33.36 | stongo | hello |
| 12:36.35 | stongo | does anyone know the advantage of using edj files in om 2008.x instead of simpler, text files similar to CSS or xhtml? |
| 12:37.34 | lindi- | stongo: xhtml for UI? |
| 12:37.47 | stongo | just as an example |
| 12:38.01 | stongo | referencing UIelements to simple tags in text files |
| 12:38.21 | stongo | where I'm coming from, is I'm a web developer, and would love to develop themes |
| 12:38.34 | stongo | but find edj very daunting |
| 12:39.18 | stongo | and am kind of scratching my head about having to compile/decompile themes |
| 12:39.28 | stongo | I'm just wondering what the reasononing is |
| 12:39.38 | stongo | sorry for the somewhat n00b question |
| 12:40.40 | stongo | I'm so used to everything being text files editable via shell... |
| 12:42.35 | beni_ | stongo: themes are editable via shell |
| 12:42.38 | beni_ | they are text files |
| 12:42.51 | quickdev | stongo, where's the problem? you need edje_cc, edje_decc and vi. And you can't say that edc files are very complicated :) |
| 12:43.08 | beni_ | quickdev: at least they are good documented |
| 12:43.11 | beni_ | somewhere |
| 12:43.53 | beni_ | stongo: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Edje, especially the links section |
| 12:44.04 | beni_ | there you find a example file with lots of comments |
| 12:44.19 | deever | mwester_: you said that i needed some modules...where can i get them and how can i mount the rootfs for adding? |
| 12:44.27 | beni_ | but i too wonder what the reason is that we need to compile them. |
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| 12:44.32 | stongo | quickdev: I guess the idea of decompiling and compiling everything seems a bit awkward to me... just wondering why this is necessary. |
| 12:44.39 | beni_ | is that so illume can load it faster? |
| 12:45.09 | beni_ | at least it provides you with an very easy to exchange theme file. As customer, you just put the file there and there you go |
| 12:45.13 | stongo | beni: that's sort of what I'm getting at |
| 12:45.18 | beni_ | dont need to worry about anything |
| 12:45.46 | quickdev | stongo, it's much faster, almost no parsing needed |
| 12:45.48 | stongo | sort of... you still need to create/move .edj files to proper folders |
| 12:46.17 | beni_ | yes but thats all |
| 12:46.31 | beni_ | if the files where plain, users can get confused and may mix files |
| 12:46.36 | beni_ | then they wonder whats happening |
| 12:46.55 | beni_ | the edj-file is a single interface |
| 12:47.24 | stongo | quickdev: ok, thanks for the explanation. I don't mean to sound ignorant. I'm not convinced that moving an .edj file is any different than moving a .conf file or a .theme file that is plain text |
| 12:47.39 | stongo | but, the parsing definitely makes sense |
| 12:48.42 | stongo | how difficult is it to debug themes? |
| 12:49.15 | stongo | I've just noticed there's not a lot of themes coming out ... |
| 12:50.25 | beni_ | stongo: an edje file consits of more than just an conf file |
| 12:50.29 | beni_ | there are images etc |
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| 12:52.31 | stongo | beni_: that is true, yes. I also find it a bit frustrating in the sense you can't change your wallpaper without decompiling and recompiling an .edj file...it seems practical to have at least some commonly changed theme features working with a text file and corresponding folder for the image. |
| 12:53.10 | stongo | sorry, you guys probably want to punch me. probably not the right place to give feedback. |
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| 12:53.23 | beni_ | it ist |
| 12:53.25 | beni_ | noone punhcing |
| 12:53.35 | beni_ | indeed, the wallpaper stuff is not that good |
| 12:53.39 | beni_ | i dont like that either |
| 12:53.41 | beni_ | but |
| 12:53.51 | beni_ | there is software for that already |
| 12:54.09 | beni_ | enlightment already has conig options for that, they are just not portet to om200x.x |
| 12:54.48 | stongo | that's good to know. maybe it'll be ported eventually. |
| 12:55.41 | stongo | I really do like om2008.x the best of all the openmoko distros. I've tested them all now. so now I'm just trying to get my head wrapped around the theming. |
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| 12:55.55 | stongo | because I really would like to create a theme. |
| 12:57.09 | stongo | so edje_cc and edje_decc are installed on the phone then, not a local machine? |
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| 12:57.41 | raster | can be installed anywhere |
| 12:59.52 | beni_ | it runs well on the freenrunner |
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| 13:11.33 | MrShleee | The new QT is too buggy :( |
| 13:15.55 | raster | bugzzzz! |
| 13:17.45 | zecke | MrShleee: QtExtended you mean? |
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| 13:24.25 | zecke | raster: I wonder how to treat illume's builtin keyboard equally? e.g. have a .desktop file like for any other provider? |
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| 13:24.43 | raster | ? |
| 13:25.03 | raster | it gets treated qually by illume |
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| 13:25.22 | zecke | raster: I want to point illume to a .desktop file, there is none for the "builtin" keyboard |
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| 13:25.50 | raster | thats just another config field... for illume |
| 13:26.00 | zecke | raster: yes, but that is not nice to deal with |
| 13:26.03 | raster | what are you trying to do? |
| 13:26.30 | zecke | raster: giving more choise to user, I hacked on Qtopia to build the input methods as binaries, and have .desktop files |
| 13:26.43 | raster | cool |
| 13:26.48 | raster | then it all shoudl work |
| 13:27.00 | zecke | raster: now, I need to make PM happy to have "Qtopia" as default and users to be able to change things :} |
| 13:27.21 | zecke | raster: with the base image illume is default but when Qtopia gets installed, Qtopia's keyboard should be "default" |
| 13:27.46 | raster | disagrees |
| 13:28.00 | sicu | hehe |
| 13:28.01 | raster | if u install qtopia |
| 13:28.12 | raster | it does not mean u automatically want to change your keyboard |
| 13:28.21 | raster | u want to make it available for use |
| 13:28.42 | zecke | raster: no, I want to have Qtopia default but a fallback to another provider :) |
| 13:28.48 | raster | installation of an app shouldnt mess with a users existing settings :) |
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| 13:29.10 | zecke | raster: e.g. set qpredictivekeyboard.desktop as default but fallback to another keyboard while the file is not there :) |
| 13:29.41 | raster | so now u need a list of them |
| 13:29.47 | raster | if u want to be generit |
| 13:29.47 | zecke | raster: and installers are config systems, just go to /etc/alternatives on your desktop :) |
| 13:29.57 | raster | kbda.desktop,kbdb.desktop.kbdc.desktop etc. |
| 13:30.06 | raster | and u run thru the list until finally one works |
| 13:30.10 | zecke | raster: any fallback is good, but then illume is still not in the list |
| 13:30.23 | raster | /etc/alternatives imho is bad |
| 13:30.26 | raster | i disagree with it |
| 13:30.37 | raster | as it forces a system-wide settign on all users |
| 13:30.46 | raster | very un-unix |
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| 13:31.55 | techiem2-r | so is running your phone as root..... |
| 13:31.58 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 13:32.03 | raster | yup |
| 13:32.09 | zecke | raster: defaults, you will have defaults in one way or another |
| 13:32.51 | raster | zecke: sure |
| 13:33.06 | raster | and defaults should be there so they work with the base system |
| 13:33.11 | raster | if u uninstall qtopia |
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| 13:33.16 | raster | u lose kbd until u choose another |
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| 13:33.22 | raster | i think thats fair enough |
| 13:34.22 | raster | if the only one to select is illume ... much of a choice :) |
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| 13:34.56 | raster | illume's config doesnt do what u want it to |
| 13:35.16 | raster | and i am unsure what u want is wise |
| 13:35.30 | raster | as now u need to populate a config with lists of possibly existign keyboards |
| 13:35.53 | raster | it makes much more sense, now that qpe has a kbd.desktop |
| 13:35.57 | zecke | raster: the other option is to have _no_ default keyboard, not even illume :) |
| 13:36.04 | raster | to hve illume simply try run the .desktop for the configured kbd |
| 13:36.07 | zecke | (entering wep passwords will be hard though) |
| 13:36.12 | raster | if that doesnt exist |
| 13:36.15 | raster | (the .desktop) |
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| 13:36.25 | raster | it has a guaranteed fallback mechanism built-in it can use |
| 13:36.45 | raster | so in the event "external" kbd != exist |
| 13:36.51 | raster | use internal - guaranteed to be there. |
| 13:37.01 | raster | (i love the joy of such guarantees) |
| 13:37.09 | zecke | raster: that is the m$ way of pushing things :) |
| 13:37.10 | raster | that imho is better than a list of .desktops |
| 13:37.33 | raster | well the other choice is no kbd |
| 13:38.27 | zecke | raster: having a .desktop file for illume would put it on the same level as other keyboard providers, fair, equal |
| 13:38.44 | raster | doesnt solve anything though :) |
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| 13:39.04 | raster | simply reduces config values to fiddle from 2 to 1 |
| 13:39.15 | raster | and thats only because of the insistence of there being a python settings app |
| 13:39.15 | zecke | raster: anyway, I will try to think about it more, Qtopia could integrate better now, giving users more choice, until I know how to make everyone happy, Qtopia predictive will stay the only keyboard :} |
| 13:39.16 | beni_ | place a list of desktop files somewhere (/etc/keyboards_available) and then put a symlink in each users home (/home/root/.my-keyboard -> /etc/keyboards_available/kbd-mycoolone.desktop [btw why .desktop files??]) |
| 13:39.35 | zecke | beni_: infrastructure to query them exist |
| 13:39.35 | raster | and i can guarantee u - i'm not adding more dbus config settings :) |
| 13:40.37 | zecke | raster: BTW: matt is about to post a kernel change so pressing the pwr button quickly does not kill the device, but we would need to change e.cfg to have the shutdown/halt_now action to be triggered on a longer press |
| 13:41.07 | raster | beni_: all u are doing is moving config from a file to the file system |
| 13:41.23 | raster | beni_: i've tried that before. and soon enough it becomes a jungle. |
| 13:41.24 | raster | ;( |
| 13:41.44 | beni_ | well i like the alternatives system. |
| 13:41.59 | zecke | raster: at the end of the day, the default keyboard depends on choice. I know you like your keyboard, forcing it to everyone by default is not nice though |
| 13:42.01 | raster | zecke: i can change illume's config |
| 13:42.12 | raster | though OE doesnt export aux or power as keys to x in OE |
| 13:42.18 | raster | so i'm currently ignoring that stuff |
| 13:42.39 | zecke | raster: yes, I will send you a patch, Om2008.10 will be based on a older illume though |
| 13:42.44 | zecke | raster: do you run Xfbdev or Xglamo? |
| 13:42.55 | raster | zecke: and focgin qpe's keyboard on everyone isnt' nice either... same game :) |
| 13:43.06 | raster | zglamo |
| 13:43.08 | raster | xglamo |
| 13:43.34 | zecke | raster: yes, but it is not a developer forcing something, it is a huge difference for me. it is like a monopolist, I don't like that |
| 13:43.46 | raster | hehehe |
| 13:43.48 | raster | i don't force |
| 13:43.55 | zecke | raster: xev does not give you any key press? |
| 13:43.56 | raster | u can re-package and ship your own default config |
| 13:44.02 | raster | though i have to say |
| 13:44.08 | raster | my experience with distributions and packagers is |
| 13:44.10 | raster | they fuck shit up |
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| 13:44.20 | raster | and all the support ends up on my doorstep |
| 13:44.30 | raster | i've spent years dealing with it |
| 13:44.37 | zecke | raster: good, I'm paid to fuck shit up :) |
| 13:44.39 | raster | so yes - i take a monopolistic view |
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| 13:44.59 | raster | i want to make it HARD to "fuck shit up" |
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| 13:45.03 | raster | as i'm tried of things like config being totally changed |
| 13:45.12 | raster | features intended to be basic "always there" thgins removed |
| 13:45.19 | raster | and for exampel thje docs never updated that are shipped |
| 13:45.29 | raster | so the docs still refer to something that doesnt exist anymore |
| 13:45.44 | raster | users complaining of "it's mixxing X" where it has it |
| 13:45.49 | raster | just the vendor made it inaccessible |
| 13:45.59 | raster | adn all the complaints are in e's devel/user lists |
| 13:46.01 | zecke | raster: back to xev, no keys are reported? |
| 13:46.01 | raster | or in my inbox |
| 13:46.09 | zecke | hehe :) |
| 13:46.35 | raster | thgat'd been the experience - so i've become must less happy about just going "yeah - have whatever you want and i'l make it easy" |
| 13:46.36 | raster | :) |
| 13:46.43 | raster | as for xev |
| 13:46.47 | raster | yes - no events reported at all |
| 13:46.52 | raster | i havent dug further than that |
| 13:46.55 | raster | i will eventually |
| 13:47.01 | Dave | Raster \o/ |
| 13:47.03 | raster | as its a pain |
| 13:47.23 | raster | they are "keys" and should be able to be used withotu opnign kernel devices directly |
| 13:47.23 | raster | :) |
| 13:47.46 | raster | btew |
| 13:47.48 | raster | btw |
| 13:47.57 | raster | i dont want to do too much on the kbd infra |
| 13:48.07 | raster | chances are its going to be moved to a module on its own |
| 13:48.10 | raster | or rolled into e itself |
| 13:48.12 | raster | not in illume |
| 13:48.29 | Dave | Is that what you have decided, master? |
| 13:48.34 | raster | so then any changes u make or want get changes again. |
| 13:49.12 | Dave | Master Raster |
| 13:50.29 | raster | well a generic vkbd infra is something that is needed |
| 13:50.30 | zecke | raster: it is Xglamo? is it opening /dev/ttyX? or /dev/input/event*? |
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| 13:50.54 | raster | zecke: i havent checked |
| 13:50.55 | raster | as i said |
| 13:50.57 | raster | i need to check |
| 13:51.00 | raster | i suspect iuts missing patches |
| 13:51.25 | Dave | :\ |
| 13:51.27 | Dave | rut roh |
| 13:51.31 | zecke | this sounds familiar, but OE was upgraded to build from the git xglamo repository |
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| 13:56.29 | gromez | raster: quick question : i put French.dic dict in illume/dicts/, i can select it but prediction doesn't seem to work with this dictionary |
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| 13:59.44 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03deluxe 07libframeworkd-glib * r461323cd8f72 10/src/Makefile.am: Corrected dependencies by removing LIBADD statement. |
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| 14:01.36 | raster | zecke: maybe it was fixed very recently. my builds are about 2 weeks behind |
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| 14:01.55 | raster | gromez: yes. utf8 char seq8uences really make it unhappy |
| 14:02.03 | raster | so you need to remvoe all characters not ascii |
| 14:02.06 | raster | ie é |
| 14:02.16 | raster | and ô |
| 14:02.31 | raster | è |
| 14:02.33 | raster | erc. |
| 14:02.35 | raster | etc. |
| 14:02.39 | raster | i know about htis |
| 14:02.48 | raster | and i need to do a dict format change |
| 14:05.15 | gromez | raster: thanks i'll try that :) |
| 14:06.35 | zogg_ | What is this event/0 ? Eating my CPU cycles under ASU. http://pastebin.com/m3284891d |
| 14:06.56 | zecke | zogg_: see the bugtracker |
| 14:06.59 | Dave | áäóäæêèçøãö |
| 14:07.03 | raster | yo momma |
| 14:07.12 | zecke | zogg_: most likely the a6k firmware sending messages to linux |
| 14:07.15 | zogg_ | havent noticed that it has been reported... :< |
| 14:07.40 | zecke | zogg_: there is a search field, it is not powered by google but still able to find things |
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| 14:14.39 | Dave | rm |
| 14:16.50 | Dave | Hmm, I wonder if the mwester is awake yet. |
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| 14:25.33 | Dave | hehe, cute stuff, Mwester |
| 14:25.55 | Dave | bouncy bouncy bouncy |
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| 14:30.12 | Dave | damnit mickey, come back! |
| 14:30.15 | zogg_ | zecke, thanks, found something. |
| 14:32.26 | zecke | zogg_: basicly, if you have a debug board attached, and can give us backtraces, then do so |
| 14:32.29 | toggles_w | Dave: whats buncy bouncy? |
| 14:32.35 | zecke | zogg_: a "me too" in the comments does not help |
| 14:32.44 | zogg_ | dont have the board tho :/ |
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| 14:35.43 | Dave | toggles: bug #1024 :P |
| 14:36.02 | Dave | I see leinirs. |
| 14:38.14 | toggles_w | Dave: fso? link? |
| 14:39.21 | leinir | Dave: You do indeed ;) |
| 14:39.31 | Dave | :D |
| 14:39.45 | Dave | toggles: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 |
| 14:40.59 | toggles_w | Dave: thanks, just found it |
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| 14:42.39 | Dave | :) |
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| 14:48.14 | Dave | Toggles, also: http://moko.mwester.net/brc.html |
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| 14:53.18 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03niklas.coding 07libframeworkd-glib * rdb3f3f131238 10/src/Makefile.am: |
| 14:53.18 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Revert "Corrected dependencies by removing LIBADD statement." |
| 14:53.19 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 461323cd8f72186329c5a4f2691e45edb86cb43f. |
| 14:54.22 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke * ra2b2e3156650 10/src/server/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [keyboard] Launch the predictive keyboard again |
| 14:54.22 | Dave | wurp o/ |
| 14:54.34 | Dave | launch all kbd |
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| 14:56.18 | slaxxin | now i have a red border around the battery |
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| 14:59.08 | Sargun_Screen | slaxxin: cool |
| 14:59.09 | Dave | the reds are invadin' ur batteriez?? |
| 14:59.23 | Dave | Sargun, my thoughts exactly. |
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| 14:59.46 | Dave | Sounds like the XBOX360 virus has finally mutated in order to jump to freerunners :p |
| 14:59.47 | slaxxin | help |
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| 15:00.00 | Dave | Red ring of death, now infecting freerunners! |
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| 15:00.15 | slaxxin | kill it dave |
| 15:01.04 | slaxxin | my freerunner is suspending improperly |
| 15:01.55 | slaxxin | uplug the power an it suspends ,, hit the power button an it unsuspends for about 2 seconds |
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| 15:04.54 | Dave | hot |
| 15:05.00 | Dave | sounds like it's dying |
| 15:05.54 | gromez | another strange problem for Greg House |
| 15:06.03 | bipak | lol |
| 15:07.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r2997d98cf399 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11/Xsession.d/89qtopia: [qtopia] Add a broken default so 89qtopia is present for everyone |
| 15:07.12 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r1f3f87692bfd 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Qtopia upgrade, CUSD, SLEEP, keyboard |
| 15:07.12 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rd7e85f7b7d9e 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Build default by default |
| 15:09.15 | mwester | slaxxin: what distro? |
| 15:09.42 | slaxxin | upgraded 2008.9 |
| 15:10.04 | mwester | ok. dunno about that distro. |
| 15:10.09 | slaxxin | an now i just opkg upgrade again |
| 15:12.44 | techiem2-r | suspend doesn't seem to be working for me either |
| 15:12.53 | Dave | Hooray, Mwester! |
| 15:12.57 | techiem2-r | if I suspend for any length of time it doesn't come back |
| 15:13.01 | techiem2-r | heh |
| 15:13.34 | mwester | sends Dave back to his dungeon |
| 15:13.42 | techiem2-r | just had to pull batt so I could boot it back up |
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| 15:14.01 | Dave | Won't you join me? |
| 15:14.15 | mwester | Nope, I am a photovore |
| 15:14.23 | Dave | :p |
| 15:14.25 | Dave | rawr |
| 15:14.50 | Dave | Mwester, actually I wanted to discuss some technical aspects of 1024 with you, but it will unfortunately have to wait until later as I am departing now. |
| 15:15.29 | mwester | They gave you a day pass? Well, I'll catch you when you get back, then. |
| 15:15.50 | Dave | Alright, cool :) |
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| 15:29.22 | Tanuva | oh. eh. the S60-theme of qtextended doesn't seem to be made for the neo's display size *g* |
| 15:29.36 | techiem2-r | hehe |
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| 15:30.39 | leinir | *giggles* Yeah, the keypad sort of goes tiny, tiny small in one corner ;) |
| 15:30.52 | leinir | Oh sorry, that's the Smart theme :) |
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| 15:35.10 | Tanuva | leinir: good that I didn't try that one after having so much success with the s60 one :D |
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| 15:38.51 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03niklas.coding 07libframeworkd-glib * rf5b6e5235608 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Simplified the make system. |
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| 15:45.17 | Tanuva | hmm... lets see if my neo's successful at reminding me of dinner at 19:25... |
| 15:45.59 | TAsnn | Tanuva, if you need a reminder for dinner you will probably forget about the reminder if it won't beep ;] |
| 15:47.21 | Tanuva | at least it SHOULD beep.... *g* |
| 15:47.44 | Tanuva | is curious if qtopia is more usable than the other distros |
| 15:50.38 | TAsnn | Tanuva, i found qtopia more usable |
| 15:50.44 | TAsnn | though it feels more like a phone |
| 15:50.48 | TAsnn | less like a linux distro |
| 15:50.59 | TAsnn | can't explain why, though that's how i felt. |
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| 15:52.54 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * r765d77465e7b 10/README: Added README |
| 15:52.54 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * reeabf6f759ba 10/init-fso-gpsd: Added init script |
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| 15:54.12 | khorben | I just got a webcam to work on the openmoko... I will document that, need to reboot first |
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| 16:13.04 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke * r09335e76e176 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/predictivekeyboard.cpp: [keyboard] Fix compile |
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| 16:18.56 | wurp2|working | Um, is FDOM really supposed to stand for "Fat and Dirty OM based distribution"? |
| 16:19.08 | wurp2|working | As opposed to, say "*Fast* and Dirty"? |
| 16:19.34 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rf7fbac38bd32 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get a build fix |
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| 16:21.18 | Tanuva | wurp2|working: yes, its fat. :) |
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| 16:22.12 | Tanuva | is waiting for someone to invent the button-based lock instead of using the screen - which gets powered on everytime something touches it in the pocket |
| 16:23.30 | spydon | Tanuva, didnt it work like that in one of the distros? |
| 16:26.40 | Weiss | button as in Power/Aux i guess you mean? |
| 16:27.24 | Tanuva | Weiss: yes |
| 16:27.40 | lindi- | Tanuva: why wait? |
| 16:28.12 | Tanuva | spydon, although hes gone: 2008.x has (had?) such a lock method on the aux key which I basically like, but 2008.x wouldn't cooperate with me |
| 16:28.37 | tuyp200 | at least 2008.9 has it. |
| 16:28.40 | Tanuva | lindi-: because I have no idea on how and where to start doing it myself. although I'm not unfamiliar with coding.. |
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| 16:31.02 | lindi- | Tanuva: oh |
| 16:31.19 | lindi- | Tanuva: how would you want it to work exactly? |
| 16:31.25 | lindi- | Tanuva: just lock until somebody presses AUX? |
| 16:31.33 | Tanuva | yes |
| 16:31.58 | Tanuva | qtextended's autolock is fine imho, I would just want it to not turn on the screen unless I press aux |
| 16:32.51 | lindi- | Tanuva: iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/unlock-with-aux? |
| 16:33.05 | lindi- | Tanuva: ah, more requirements :) |
| 16:34.04 | Tanuva | oh. ah. python! nice :D |
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| 16:35.08 | Tanuva | << gone for dinner |
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| 16:47.47 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r9e6994afa9e7 10/ (14 files in 3 dirs): minor consistency and spelling fixes |
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| 17:07.00 | Tanuva | lindi-: just to be sure: your code does not prevent others who also get the signal from turning the screen on, does it? |
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| 17:08.56 | lindi- | Tanuva: no |
| 17:09.00 | lindi- | Tanuva: it does not do anything to screen |
| 17:09.27 | lindi- | Tanuva: you stated your extra requirement after the program was written, please wait for the next version :P |
| 17:10.13 | Tanuva | lindi-: ah, okay *g* |
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| 17:11.02 | lindi- | Tanuva: but you could also write it |
| 17:12.01 | Tanuva | I'd like to... seems like need to study the dbus interface :) |
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| 17:13.57 | lindi- | yep |
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| 17:23.04 | hsainct | hi all |
| 17:23.48 | techiem2-r | afternoon |
| 17:24.36 | hsainct | total beginner here: just bought a freerunner (with 2007 distrib), want to flash with current FDOM: in which order must I proceed: kernel first then root filesystem, or the other way? |
| 17:25.43 | hama_ | hsainct: so far as i know it doesnt matter |
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| 17:26.10 | bedboi | does 2008.9 work on neo1973? |
| 17:26.55 | lesouvage | I'm trying to get gprs running. How do I check that gprs is working? |
| 17:27.22 | lindi- | lesouvage: what distro? |
| 17:28.51 | ieatlint | lesouvage, "ifconfig ppp0" ... if it gives an error, gprs isn't connectd |
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| 17:29.56 | lesouvage | the latest fdom with scripts from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Vodafone_pppd_scripts, running "sm0710muxd -d" and starting it with "pppd call vodafon" |
| 17:30.09 | lesouvage | +e |
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| 17:30.50 | hsainct | thank you hama_! Just flashing right now :-) |
| 17:31.46 | hama_ | hsainct: np :) |
| 17:32.44 | hama_ | hsainct: have a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool |
| 17:33.59 | lesouvage | Starting sm0710muxd I see an message "Modem does not respond to AT commands, trying close mux mode" Can this be fixed? |
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| 17:35.04 | ieatlint | lesouvage, that script wasn't meant for any current phone image |
| 17:35.19 | ieatlint | it's based on gsmd methinks, from 2007.2 |
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| 17:38.14 | lesouvage | ieatlint: so it is never going to work :-( |
| 17:38.14 | ieatlint | according to the wiki, you need to find where the chat script for fdom is and modify it so that the ATD line reads "ATD*99***1#" and the domain is "live.vodafone.com" in the line above it |
| 17:38.40 | ieatlint | yes, i agree, giving up is the simplest solution |
| 17:39.50 | sicu | yay, finally we all agree on something =] |
| 17:40.42 | sicu | but it's not only simplest ... it's the only solution :o |
| 17:41.11 | ieatlint | well, if fdom doesn't support gprs... sucks for it, all other images do |
| 17:41.41 | lindi- | s/images/distros/ :) |
| 17:41.44 | ieatlint | and the wiki talks about a gui control to turn it on/off, commenting that one must manually configure the chat script |
| 17:42.08 | ieatlint | lindi-, images is a perfectly apt description ;) |
| 17:42.23 | lindi- | ieatlint: i dislike it :) |
| 17:42.38 | ieatlint | why's that? |
| 17:42.49 | lindi- | ieatlint: it makes people passive consumers, not developers that take part in development of the distro ;) |
| 17:43.10 | ieatlint | unlike most people who use linux distributions? |
| 17:43.23 | Tanuva | WOW. om2008.8_20080903 suspends and resumes successfully °.° |
| 17:43.33 | Tanuva | dances the happy dance |
| 17:43.57 | lindi- | ieatlint: this is not supposed to be most people yet :) |
| 17:44.10 | ieatlint | a distribution implies that one configures it, when in fact you flash an image to it and then make some modifications if you desire |
| 17:44.36 | lindi- | ieatlint: but how do you modify fdom? there is not even source code for it |
| 17:44.39 | ieatlint | and most just as quickly re-flash their phone... |
| 17:44.48 | ieatlint | i don't |
| 17:45.09 | lesouvage | ieatlint: I find the file and edit it. But how should I start gprs now? |
| 17:45.19 | ieatlint | if i weren't so indifferent, i'd petition its removal from the wiki on the grounds the wiki shouldn't perpetuate gpl violations |
| 17:45.59 | hsainct | hama_, in fact I am on a macintosh right here, but I think I found the mac equivalent of neotool, an "openmoko flasher" to which indeed I just give the url of FDOM and ask "load, flash..." - I flashed the kernel first (went very quickly) and am no doing the RFS, seems to be half way |
| 17:46.20 | hama_ | hsainct: :) oh, ok |
| 17:46.30 | Tanuva | needs to learn to frequently tap the neo's screen... |
| 17:46.43 | ieatlint | lesouvage, look for something in the gui labeled "services" |
| 17:46.59 | Dave | LINTS |
| 17:47.06 | ieatlint | hey dave |
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| 17:48.40 | Tanuva | hey, omview is really cool. nice gesture integration! :) |
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| 17:49.56 | Dave | Lint lint lint |
| 17:50.02 | Dave | So, funny story from this morning... |
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| 17:53.05 | ieatlint | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.48 | Tanuva | when was "this morning"? |
| 17:54.09 | ieatlint | uh, well it's 11am here now |
| 17:54.20 | Tanuva | oh, not that far gone :) |
| 17:54.22 | ieatlint | which means 2pm for dave here |
| 17:54.30 | Tanuva | 8pm here |
| 17:54.40 | ieatlint | and i'm suddenly reminded i have 3 hours to get across town for an interview |
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| 17:55.21 | Tanuva | shouldn't that be more than enough? Oo |
| 17:55.24 | bricode___ | Dave: What's the funny story? |
| 17:55.26 | ieatlint | it's fleet week here too.. starting tomorrow, the blue angels will be buzzing my apartment for 4-6 hours a day :( |
| 17:55.44 | lesouvage | lindi: still don't understand why getting gprs up and running isn't made easier. A phone with a working gprs is much more usefull then one without. |
| 17:55.45 | Dave | one sec :P |
| 17:55.48 | Tanuva | ieatlint: oh damn, I wouldn't be able to leave the window a minute... |
| 17:55.55 | Dave | ieatlint, fuck yeah they will! |
| 17:56.07 | Dave | hopefully none of them crash, as a result of their "craaaaaaaaaaaaazy" flyin' :p |
| 17:56.12 | Dave | (like that one time...) |
| 17:56.17 | ieatlint | Tanuva, it's like "dude, i saw them for half a second!" |
| 17:56.30 | Dave | yep :p |
| 17:56.31 | ieatlint | and then a deafening roar |
| 17:56.35 | Dave | yep |
| 17:56.40 | Dave | usually the plane first, then the roar :p |
| 17:56.53 | Dave | and you look up too late and are like WTFBBQ? |
| 17:56.54 | ieatlint | not as cool when you're sittng at a computer, have no idea it's about to happen, and then BOOM |
| 17:56.59 | Dave | BOOM |
| 17:57.05 | Tanuva | so I need to get outside with my camera :D |
| 17:57.05 | Dave | CRACK |
| 17:57.11 | Dave | Go for it :p |
| 17:57.57 | ieatlint | should be better than last year, then canadian naval vessels outnumbered american ones by at least 3 to 1 |
| 17:58.15 | ieatlint | i think they're about even this year, but the canucks will have their own planes flying around too :P |
| 17:58.53 | Tanuva | saw an A380 for Emirates roll around Finkenwerder last saturday |
| 17:59.12 | ieatlint | nice... i've yet to see one |
| 17:59.16 | Tanuva | but sadly didn't have time to stop |
| 17:59.27 | ieatlint | i passed on the exciting opportunity to go stand near the airport when one was in town |
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| 17:59.47 | Tanuva | I had one in the same spot fly right over me with full flaps and min speed... simply awesome :D |
| 17:59.54 | Dave | canucks have wessels? |
| 18:00.07 | Dave | Tanuva, sweet |
| 18:00.14 | Dave | did you try to hitch a ride? :p |
| 18:00.14 | mwester | lesouvage: Most of the distro developers have been wasting their time on foolish things like getting the phone to dial properly, make it so you don't have to pull out the battery after every suspend, and other trivial little trinkets, rather than working on a GUI for GPRS. |
| 18:00.21 | Dave | Wester! |
| 18:00.27 | Tanuva | Dave: had no ladder with me :/ |
| 18:00.32 | Dave | Tanuva :D |
| 18:00.52 | ieatlint | dialing is overrated |
| 18:01.03 | mwester | Apparently. |
| 18:01.05 | Dave | huhu |
| 18:01.11 | ieatlint | just hard-code 411, and people can use it to connect to the number they want |
| 18:01.20 | Dave | okay so, conclusion is: qtopia still blows |
| 18:01.20 | Tanuva | who needs voice, we want 3d! |
| 18:01.23 | bricode___ | Dave: Canucks at one point had the largest naval fleet in the world. |
| 18:01.32 | Dave | When was that? |
| 18:01.37 | Dave | plus, what did it matter? |
| 18:01.44 | bricode___ | Dave: A long time ago... |
| 18:01.47 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 18:01.49 | Dave | Did they even go anywhere? |
| 18:01.52 | Dave | DO anything? |
| 18:02.00 | Dave | or just defend their reefer farms... |
| 18:02.02 | mwester | Hmm... that would do it, ieatlint -- and autodial at boot. You can pull the battery when you're done with call. No more suspend/resume, and battery life is excellent if it's sitting on the desk outside the phone. |
| 18:02.04 | techiem2-r | logs = naval vessels? |
| 18:02.17 | Dave | mwester :) |
| 18:02.19 | Dave | haha |
| 18:02.28 | lesouvage | mwester: I'm ot talking about a gui for gprs, I'm talking about a straight way to get gprs up and running. I know, it is open source and it is finished when it is done. But there must be a businesmodel somewhere, and without easy to setup gprs it will never succeed. |
| 18:02.32 | ieatlint | mwester, the simple answers are always the best :) |
| 18:02.47 | Dave | :) |
| 18:02.51 | techiem2-r | people use gprs? |
| 18:02.53 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 18:02.53 | ieatlint | lesouvage, did you buy the phone? |
| 18:03.18 | ieatlint | because that was openmoko's business model |
| 18:03.21 | ieatlint | sell the hardware |
| 18:03.24 | mwester | lesouvage: That's one of the problems that can be attributed directly to the fragmentation of the Om community. We now have 7 parallel images/distros, so making it easy in one doesn't solve it for others. |
| 18:03.51 | Dave | It sucks! |
| 18:03.58 | mwester | FSO is the best bet if you want gprs -- i think they pretty much have it written, no? |
| 18:04.05 | ieatlint | well, the other issue is that in theory everything is moving towards fso... and fso has it pretty simple |
| 18:04.13 | Dave | Mwester, it worked fine for me in 2007... |
| 18:04.21 | mwester | Yeah :( |
| 18:04.23 | ieatlint | so no one else wants to bother re-implementing gprs |
| 18:04.27 | Dave | :| |
| 18:04.29 | Dave | crappy. |
| 18:04.41 | ieatlint | gprs in fso is just a single dbus call to turn it on, and another to turn it off |
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| 18:05.10 | bricode___ | should stick to computers instead of history. Canada was 3rd or 4th largest overall in navy fleet. He retracts previous comment. |
| 18:05.14 | mwester | Om *vastly* underestimated the value of what O-hand and the original Om devs had put together in 2007.2 |
| 18:05.15 | Tanuva | hmm... exposure.py simply exits without saying anything, does it log somewhere? |
| 18:05.22 | lesouvage | ieatlint: I assume that openmokos final goal is to provide a hardware/software platform with real market potential so they can sell next generations of freerunners in the millions and not in the thousands as they do now. |
| 18:05.24 | break_free | what's going on with the gta03? any progress? |
| 18:05.49 | bricode___ | Android anybody? |
| 18:06.03 | mwester | vaporware and dreams, break_free -- they can be anything you want! |
| 18:06.03 | Tanuva | kick bricode___ ! |
| 18:06.09 | techiem2-r | lol |
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| 18:06.22 | ieatlint | lesouvage, in theory, but the model is to throw the hardware at the community and hope by the time a stable hardware platform is out, the software will be there |
| 18:06.34 | techiem2-r | grumbles at Android getting all the press while OM is where the real progress is |
| 18:06.50 | break_free | mwester, why vaporware? Are there no plans? |
| 18:06.51 | mwester | (re: ietlint's last comment: good idea, poor execution) |
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| 18:07.04 | Dave | Mwester, definitely. |
| 18:07.31 | mwester | break_free: Yes, there are plans... but why would they be of any concern to anyone outside Om's marketing department and a core set of engineers designing it? |
| 18:07.37 | ieatlint | and android doesn't count as vaporware, since the sdk incudes a working emulator |
| 18:07.39 | mwester | We have no software that even works on the 01 or 02. |
| 18:07.40 | Dave | Brian, quit your continental driftin' ! |
| 18:07.45 | Dave | Mwester :( |
| 18:07.54 | _Bill_ | mwester: you've played around with qtextended4.4? |
| 18:07.55 | bricode | Dave: I'm trying to be as illusive as possibe. |
| 18:07.59 | Dave | Duke nukem and perl 6 might as well be on the freerunner... |
| 18:08.01 | ieatlint | if duke nukem forever released a demo beta, it wouldn't have the same reputation :P |
| 18:08.04 | bricode | Vaporperson. |
| 18:08.15 | mwester | _Bill_: yes. |
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| 18:08.23 | _Bill_ | is there any way to import contacts from old qtopia contact app to new? |
| 18:08.34 | ieatlint | mwester, part of what we lack are good UI devs |
| 18:08.58 | techiem2-r | export to SIM then import into new app? |
| 18:09.10 | ieatlint | someone who could design some awesome, usable, convenient and unique interfaces could really add a lot |
| 18:09.10 | mwester | ieatlint: :( They're out there, they are staying away in droves because, in part, of lack of community managemetn and direction. |
| 18:09.23 | _Bill_ | uhhh |
| 18:09.36 | _Bill_ | ieatlint: no better way? |
| 18:09.40 | mwester | ieatlint: :) we need for the GUI what FSO is for the low-level. |
| 18:09.41 | ieatlint | well, raster does some interesting things at least |
| 18:09.51 | Tanuva | ! |
| 18:09.55 | Dave | heh |
| 18:10.00 | ieatlint | mwester, precisely |
| 18:10.11 | Dave | Yeah well, Raster will always be raster... if we've observed or learned anything. |
| 18:10.13 | mwester | "interesting things" -- Is the like the Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times" |
| 18:10.16 | ieatlint | zhone is primitive, a test app, and it serves that purpose well |
| 18:10.26 | mwester | Yep. |
| 18:10.44 | mwester | Zhone breaks all the rules for a good gui, I'm told. But it's refreshingly simple and usable. |
| 18:10.47 | _Bill_ | zhone is just a proof of concept.. as much as i've seen it |
| 18:10.50 | ieatlint | but all of zhone is like 1100 lines of code... |
| 18:10.52 | Dave | haha |
| 18:10.57 | Dave | so would you call it a rebel? ;p |
| 18:11.04 | Tanuva | and we have illume which works really well, but it's just the desktop |
| 18:11.10 | bricode | And about 3 features of usefulness. |
| 18:11.17 | Tanuva | (-> the really good stuff comes from raster *g*) |
| 18:11.31 | mwester | And there's Qtopia, which gets the boot because it ain't X. |
| 18:11.48 | ieatlint | yeah, if qtopia had x11 support, i'd be all over it |
| 18:12.01 | Dave | haha |
| 18:12.01 | ieatlint | which i'm sure dave will take to mean something sexual |
| 18:12.09 | _Bill_ | qtopia is actually nice.. |
| 18:12.09 | mwester | (I'm deleting it from my system unless someone comes up with at terminal emulator for Qt Extended real soon! I'll compromise on X, but I need my terminal!) |
| 18:12.11 | Dave | already did... |
| 18:12.12 | Dave | :p |
| 18:12.24 | _Bill_ | i like the speed of it all |
| 18:12.37 | Tanuva | mwester: there IS a menu entry for some terminal in qte, but I didn't actually try it.. |
| 18:12.38 | Dave | BAM! |
| 18:13.04 | ieatlint | _Bill_, the speed can be done with X |
| 18:13.17 | ieatlint | basically, qtopia seems fast because it's not dynamic, in part |
| 18:13.27 | Tanuva | balanced a pen on the neo's display to prevent it from suspending all the time |
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| 18:13.45 | ieatlint | most screens are constant, set, no .desktop files to look at |
| 18:13.49 | Dave | haha |
| 18:14.07 | mwester | wonders why "dynamic" is a good thing. My automobile isnt' dynamic, and it's very very useful. |
| 18:14.09 | Dave | actually, that was terrible |
| 18:14.18 | Dave | it seems to me that parts of qtopia load dynamically |
| 18:14.38 | Dave | which might make sense but wreaks havoc on usability on a small embedded device... |
| 18:14.56 | ieatlint | well, parts obviously do :P |
| 18:15.14 | Dave | -_- |
| 18:15.15 | mwester | I've never figured out why it's a good idea to provide an X gui with a set of icons (for example) at some outlandish resolution, and then on-the-fly rescale them, apply shading effects and transparency, and then render that. |
| 18:15.22 | ieatlint | i dunno, i think the parts that are slow can be fixed without too much work |
| 18:15.27 | mwester | Especially when you don't have hardware accleeration. |
| 18:15.58 | ieatlint | mwester, the amount of power needed isn't that bad |
| 18:16.04 | mwester | It's ridiculous. I can see it for a desktop -- if I swap displays I might like my icons to change. But you can't change the screen on the Neo, so why not pre-generatate all that stuff? |
| 18:16.06 | ronny | mwester: uh, i think lack of a mind pretty much explains that |
| 18:16.18 | _Bill_ | i'll side with mwester here.. |
| 18:16.25 | _Bill_ | i like my phone snappy |
| 18:16.33 | mwester | ieatlint: That's no reason to do it -- even if it take .001 seconds and 1 milliwatt, it's still silly. |
| 18:16.37 | ieatlint | illume is just a set of edje groups |
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| 18:17.11 | Tanuva | ieatlint: but it works |
| 18:17.14 | ieatlint | well, feel free to redesign that part of illume :P |
| 18:17.30 | Dave | Did someone say something about... NEEDING MORE POWAR!? |
| 18:18.06 | mwester | Somebody published a set of static themes for 2007.2 --- it was striking how much snappier the UI was. yet we continue with special effects. And all the while the code leaks memory, SEGVs, is incomplete, etc -- apparently that doesn't matter if you put enough eye-candy in. |
| 18:18.07 | Dave | lint :P |
| 18:18.07 | Tanuva | Dave: yay, we want 3d! |
| 18:18.14 | mwester | </rant> |
| 18:18.16 | Dave | 1.21JW? |
| 18:18.18 | ieatlint | if someone who was just good at graphics just did some mockup UIs in gimp, we'd be better off |
| 18:18.31 | Dave | oh god yes |
| 18:18.33 | bricode | People want eye candy over functionality. |
| 18:18.39 | Dave | whatever that last theme is on the qtx |
| 18:18.42 | Dave | it's SO laggy |
| 18:18.46 | Dave | and so horribly designed |
| 18:18.52 | Dave | but looks cool, sometimes :P |
| 18:19.04 | Dave | we may as well just fucking port gdesklets or something ... ;p |
| 18:19.14 | ieatlint | the "desktop" in illume is what needs to change |
| 18:19.24 | Dave | what desktop? |
| 18:19.26 | _Bill_ | bricode: and if it only looks cool but you have to wait 2 minutes to get your dialpad to order a cab then you really get fed up with it |
| 18:19.29 | ieatlint | that has the icons |
| 18:19.35 | Dave | that sucks? |
| 18:19.41 | mwester | ncurses. Seriously. If you can't make the phone work with a text menu system, then you shouldnt' write a single line of GUI. |
| 18:19.47 | ieatlint | that's where a lot of the lag is, dave |
| 18:19.49 | Dave | huhuhu |
| 18:19.54 | Dave | lint :( |
| 18:20.06 | Dave | lint, that's where it is... in qtx?? |
| 18:20.07 | mwester | And the hardware should never have been released/sold until the OS could suspend and resume... |
| 18:20.18 | Dave | mwester, so next year... sometime? |
| 18:20.19 | Dave | :P |
| 18:20.22 | ieatlint | heh, i was talking about illume... as i specified :P |
| 18:20.33 | Dave | Yeah yeah |
| 18:20.36 | Dave | whore :P |
| 18:20.48 | sicu | me? |
| 18:20.51 | Tanuva | so our main problem are the people who just expect too much? ^^ |
| 18:20.54 | Dave | hun :p |
| 18:20.58 | sicu | me? |
| 18:21.01 | sicu | :p |
| 18:21.05 | Tanuva | (because the gui is too colorful) |
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| 18:21.13 | techiem2-r | it doesn't make me breakfast! |
| 18:21.15 | mwester | Dave - the fear is partially realized already -- Om never delivered on the GTA01 before they abandoned it and moved ot the GTA02. Now that doesn't work correctly (WSoD)... you figure what'll happen next. |
| 18:21.17 | ieatlint | on the gui, it's not that people expect too much |
| 18:21.19 | Dave | Mwester, I also wasn't about to get it to connect to an unsecured wireless network today. |
| 18:21.31 | Dave | uggh |
| 18:21.35 | ieatlint | the UI just needs to be designed better |
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| 18:21.50 | Dave | Mwester, THE CYCLE WILL CONTINUE FOREVER... INTO THE ABYSS OF ABSYMAL FAILYAR.. :( |
| 18:21.51 | ieatlint | the task manager of illume is great -- and not too bad on resources |
| 18:21.53 | Dave | sadness ensues. |
| 18:21.58 | Dave | lamentations of a developer. |
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| 18:22.12 | mwester | Tanuva: No, the problem is that no amount of paint on top of rotten wood will make a house that's worth living in. |
| 18:22.17 | Tanuva | ieatlint: but having a hideous gui would prevent people from expecting I think |
| 18:22.28 | Tanuva | mwester: true |
| 18:22.30 | Dave | mwester, especially when the roof periodically collapses :) |
| 18:22.39 | ieatlint | Tanuva, think windows vista |
| 18:22.42 | _Bill_ | is qt4.4 supposed to crash every time i click on callhistory? |
| 18:22.51 | Dave | Mwester, I wish to subscribe to your newsletter :) |
| 18:22.55 | ieatlint | "oooh pretty" ... "but it lags on my $3k brand new quad core computer" |
| 18:22.56 | Tanuva | feels pain thinking bout vista.. |
| 18:23.04 | Dave | lint, exactly :P |
| 18:23.12 | Dave | Green Screen of Death? |
| 18:23.16 | Dave | maybe mix it up a little :P |
| 18:23.22 | ieatlint | lol |
| 18:23.29 | Dave | man |
| 18:23.34 | Dave | at least linux has cowpanic! \o/ |
| 18:23.39 | Tanuva | I want 32bit color for the WSOD! |
| 18:23.40 | Dave | Where would I be without it... |
| 18:23.45 | Dave | :D |
| 18:23.54 | sicu | hmmm, my vista chugs along slower than slow ... but has never crashed |
| 18:23.55 | mwester | On the positive side, look at what the community HAS managed to do despite the obstacles. |
| 18:23.56 | sicu | hides |
| 18:24.00 | Tanuva | never experienced this wsod yet.. |
| 18:24.08 | ieatlint | yeah, let's eliminate error codes and replace them with different coloured blank screens |
| 18:24.12 | Dave | mwester, true, true |
| 18:24.15 | Tanuva | ieatlint: LOL |
| 18:24.26 | ieatlint | "would you say that's red or purple?" |
| 18:24.27 | Dave | makes you wonder what we might have accomplished with a [fully] functional base... |
| 18:24.42 | mwester | Tanuva: I can't duplicate it any longer with the most recent kernels either; the current thinking seems to be a race condition, and perhaps some phones just don't have the problem... |
| 18:24.42 | Tanuva | yay, and differentiate between all 255 rgb levels! |
| 18:24.43 | Dave | ieatlint, it's like the future of beep codes? |
| 18:24.55 | Dave | just spam you with seizurific color scenes!? |
| 18:25.06 | ieatlint | hehe, yeah, error codes that are one beep, and just vary in tone |
| 18:25.13 | Dave | simon says... MEMORIZE MY ERROR COLORS |
| 18:25.24 | Dave | and it becomes a game! |
| 18:25.28 | techiem2-r | oh no it's the 124 125 126 error! |
| 18:25.35 | Dave | RGB? |
| 18:25.38 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 18:25.42 | ieatlint | or do shapes |
| 18:25.47 | Tanuva | quite grey. |
| 18:25.55 | ieatlint | "okay, what error does an octogon mean?" |
| 18:26.13 | zash | green screen of death! |
| 18:26.18 | Tanuva | Dave: googling for cowpanic gives me some chinese pages... Oo |
| 18:26.22 | Dave | hahaha |
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| 18:26.46 | zash | kernel panic + cowsay? |
| 18:26.47 | Dave | OMG DODECAHEDRON? WTF IS THIS!? |
| 18:26.47 | ieatlint | larry would be displeased about tha |
| 18:26.54 | Dave | zash huhuhu |
| 18:27.04 | sicu | including that would make winblows an excellent game |
| 18:27.14 | Dave | windows broken; use door. |
| 18:27.18 | zash | http://p.zash.se/GVXhrg.txt |
| 18:27.42 | Tanuva | Dave: is this a circle or just some 23533-edged polygon? |
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| 18:27.52 | Dave | zash :) |
| 18:28.01 | Dave | :P |
| 18:28.05 | Dave | Tanuva :) |
| 18:28.15 | Dave | 4 dimensional error codes? |
| 18:28.25 | zash | color + shape + beep |
| 18:28.34 | Tanuva | zash: if the kernel just could do anything after panicking *g* |
| 18:28.45 | Tanuva | + length of all three |
| 18:28.56 | ieatlint | Tanuva, the kernel can |
| 18:28.58 | Tanuva | measured in pixels^mass of the accu |
| 18:29.01 | ieatlint | it's called the magic key |
| 18:29.04 | Tanuva | ieatlint: oh. damn. :D |
| 18:29.05 | mwester | Again, we re-invent the wheel. A guy named Samuel Morse invented the ideal system for signaling a panic or crash to the user of a telephony device. |
| 18:29.28 | ieatlint | electrical fires? |
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| 18:29.41 | zash | tcp/ip/morse |
| 18:29.46 | Dave | Western Union, prefessional arsonists? |
| 18:29.49 | Dave | professional |
| 18:30.01 | lesouvage | mwester: You should look into Asterisk. There is morse application for this communication platform. |
| 18:30.48 | Tanuva | wants fso-frameworkd for om2k8.8 |
| 18:30.53 | mwester | The "finished boot, all well" signal from SlugOS on the NSLU2 device is a Morse "K" -- I've yet to have anyone notice that... |
| 18:31.19 | bricode | _Bill_: I never could figure out why people wanted to run Compiz or the like. |
| 18:31.20 | mwester | (they just call it the "triple-beep" |
| 18:31.22 | mwester | ) |
| 18:32.03 | zash | someone needs to invent something like bash+morse |
| 18:32.31 | mwester | heh! I enabled Compiz and the wobbly windows -- showed it to my rather elderly father-in-law and told him that they were even starting to make windows cheaper and flimsier in software these days... |
| 18:32.34 | ieatlint | that does sound convenient to use |
| 18:33.17 | ieatlint | mwester, did he curse foriegn imports for it? |
| 18:33.55 | mwester | I was hoping he would, but he figured out that I was just kidding him. |
| 18:34.17 | ieatlint | damn i-talians |
| 18:34.22 | zash | wobbly windows .. aids in the eye |
| 18:34.58 | _Bill_ | lol |
| 18:35.42 | Tanuva | http://augenkrebs.de.vu/ |
| 18:36.00 | mwester | Well, I thought compiz was fun, and I have no problem with it -- but I do think its a complete waste of time and an insult to the users to present them with GUI eye candy on top of something that's fundamentally broken -- it's like saying: You stupid users, you'll never notice that it's busted if I put enough gloss and glimmer on it!" |
| 18:36.34 | mwester | Linux on the typical desktop is a whole lot more usable than the GTA0x at the moment. :( |
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| 18:36.53 | _Bill_ | you can start doing eye-candy when you got all lower levels working nicely |
| 18:37.14 | _Bill_ | i still use xfce at times :) just because it's lightweight, fast and works |
| 18:37.16 | LionKMP | hm... OE build finished but _last step_ fails with tons of errors. Can someone please help? :-D Pastebin coming. |
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| 18:37.41 | zash | _Bill_: i have recently fallen in love with dwm :D |
| 18:37.55 | mwester | 's build is at 95%, have to get back to work soon... |
| 18:37.58 | LionKMP | http://www.pastebin.ca/1222949 |
| 18:38.07 | Tanuva | is happy with kde3.5.10 |
| 18:38.14 | Tanuva | (quite happy) |
| 18:40.51 | techiem2-r | is happy with fluxbox on the desktop and xfce+compiz on the laptop to out bling the silly windows users |
| 18:41.39 | mwester | LionKMP: You've got a very wrong setting in your local.conf file -- you're bulding for the wrong MACHINE it looks like. |
| 18:41.55 | LionKMP | mwester: I build x86! |
| 18:42.01 | Tanuva | techiem2-r: :D |
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| 18:42.12 | LionKMP | following the "Xephyr" document on Wiki |
| 18:42.28 | mwester | Oh, dunno then. Not sure than anyone does that. Not clear why you would either... you can't run the image on the X86 anyway! |
| 18:42.30 | LionKMP | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Xephyr |
| 18:43.08 | LionKMP | hm, this document says so :) well, built for 3-4 days :) |
| 18:43.30 | LionKMP | I could run the whole system in a xephyr window, that sounds cool for development, isn't it? |
| 18:43.47 | mwester | Why? |
| 18:44.05 | LionKMP | mwester: maybe you REAL developers could give some pointers of which method is useful or useless :) |
| 18:44.25 | LionKMP | mwester: because I have all the libs and .. dunno, directory structure, like the real. |
| 18:44.39 | mwester | I'm not a real developer, so i can't help you. I just don't know why I would want to use any emulation or simulation environment when you have a real device. |
| 18:44.42 | LionKMP | like if I was building on the phone itself, like on a real desktop linux. |
| 18:45.09 | LionKMP | to avoid copying the binary for each test? |
| 18:45.17 | mwester | Ok. |
| 18:45.41 | LionKMP | sorry, what do you recommend instead? |
| 18:45.54 | LionKMP | toolchain? or compiling on the FR? (I found an article about this too) |
| 18:46.03 | mwester | I just find it so difficult to keep the builds that are supposed to be working actually working, that I can't imagine how difficult it would be to keep something that's untested and "off the trail" working. |
| 18:46.03 | LionKMP | QEmu? |
| 18:46.22 | mwester | I would use the toolchain -- path of least resistance. |
| 18:47.03 | LionKMP | what do I do at the "make install" stage in toolchain? I don't want to install on host, especially not on host's /. |
| 18:47.28 | LionKMP | how to "collect" the files to copy? do I need to find out what "make install" would do, and do manually? |
| 18:47.51 | mwester | I dunno, I'm not a developer. I don't ever do a make install -- I figure out what got changed, and copy the pertinetn files over, and if I do it often enough I write a script. |
| 18:47.59 | mwester | Yes, that's a horrible hack. |
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| 18:48.28 | lesouvage | no gprs :-( I really think the combination of tangogps and gprs to update the presence info is a killing app that fits with the concept of an open phone. |
| 18:48.43 | mwester | I think that you are supposed to do a make install with flags that install it into some directory, where you create an ipk from it.. but why go through all that trouble? |
| 18:49.19 | _Bill_ | but can i export contacts in vcard format from old qt4.3 addressbook? |
| 18:49.30 | LionKMP | --prefix is not possible with current toolchain scripts (could be modified of course). Maybe I should try that. |
| 18:49.45 | mwester | lesouvage: find the folks in charge of whatever distro you are using, discuss the gprs issues you are having with them, and see if you can help them implement something, or convince them that it should be higher on their list. |
| 18:50.03 | LionKMP | mwester: why trouble? What's the better way? (I don't know. I follow guides on the documentation, many. :( ) |
| 18:50.11 | LionKMP | once I got xbill compiled with toolchain :) |
| 18:50.16 | LionKMP | it runs cool |
| 18:50.19 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 18:50.21 | techiem2-r | nice |
| 18:51.04 | mwester | LionKMP: I make mistakes, so I fix up a source file, and recompile -- I want to just copy one binary over to the FR rather than have a script create an update ipkg, then coyp the ipk over, and then use opkg install to install the new ipk, then test again. |
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| 18:51.53 | mwester | Even better (I think that the FSO team does this), use NFS to mount my desktop's file system on the FR, and just run the compiled executable in place. |
| 18:52.11 | mwester | I'm pretty sure NFS support is built in on the standard rootfs. |
| 18:52.18 | techiem2-r | mmm |
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| 18:52.37 | LionKMP | ok, yep, I use sshfs from the other way, so I can directly compile to FR too, if I mount that part. |
| 18:52.50 | mwester | sshfs should work just fine, too -- any might be easier. |
| 18:53.07 | LionKMP | ok, actually I can figure out the "make install" by doing a native compile and redirect it with --prefix first. |
| 18:53.27 | LionKMP | you know, it's not easy to know exactly what gets insalled, if I just compile something for the first time. |
| 18:53.39 | LionKMP | ok, toolchain. I have that :-) (and I have a useless OE too now :) ) |
| 18:53.40 | mwester | Agreed. |
| 18:54.18 | LionKMP | do you know how many people builds OE? a lot! |
| 18:54.19 | mwester | You still might need OE; the toolchain doesn't have every possible library you might need for your app. |
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| 18:54.45 | mwester | OE and monotone are probably responsible for a measurable part of Intels CPU chip revenue, IMO. :D |
| 18:54.53 | lesouvage | mwester: I think the problem is that the different images compete with eacht other. Peple change to get the featre they are looking for and so there is not something like a loyalty to one of the images. I'm afraid the 7 different images is killing the great idea of an open and free phone. |
| 18:54.55 | sicu | _Bill_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup |
| 18:55.06 | LionKMP | mwester: yep, but opkg-target install is possible in the toolchain too. hm.. yes, what about programs not in binary distro yet. |
| 18:55.07 | mwester | lesouvage: I agree completely. |
| 18:56.02 | mwester | has a meeting to attend, back later. |
| 18:56.10 | LionKMP | thanks and see you |
| 18:57.28 | _Bill_ | sicu, not what i want |
| 18:57.48 | _Bill_ | i want only pure data as vcart so i can import it anywhere |
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| 18:57.55 | _Bill_ | vcard |
| 18:58.03 | _Bill_ | for migration from qt4.3 to 4.4 |
| 18:59.31 | philhug | does anyone have an empty battery? |
| 18:59.37 | lesouvage | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.43 | Dave | Later wester. |
| 18:59.56 | lesouvage | philhug: I have. Do you have a nokia lying around |
| 19:00.17 | philhug | yes, but it's a newer nokia |
| 19:00.29 | philhug | I'm playing around with u-boot |
| 19:00.45 | lesouvage | philhug: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery#Compatible_Replacement_Batteries |
| 19:00.59 | philhug | maybe it's possible to start charging with empty battery on USB |
| 19:01.01 | Tanuva | where does exposure store the settings? |
| 19:01.35 | _Bill_ | i get it backup on such level is not supported yet |
| 19:01.36 | lesouvage | philhug: funny thing with the freerunner is that if you change battery real fast the device doesn't do a reboot but just goes on. |
| 19:01.47 | lesouvage | The battery doesn't charge with the device completely off |
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| 19:02.39 | lesouvage | The trick is to use a replacement battery (see the wiki), boot the phone and change batteries real fast with the charger conected to the phone. |
| 19:03.19 | philhug | I think it's just a u-boot issue |
| 19:03.57 | philhug | ok, I'll discharge my battery and try my new u-boot :) |
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| 19:09.33 | sicu | _Bill_: afaik, exporting from qtopia to vcard is not supported yet, but if all you want is migrate your contacts from 4.3 to 4.4, then the link i gave you will do the trick |
| 19:09.34 | cichlid02 | hi folks; What feeds repository should i setup on my FSO MS3 ? |
| 19:10.19 | sicu | _Bill_: as long as they havn't altered the PIM data in 4.4, which i doubt they have |
| 19:10.32 | philhug | lesouvage: did you ever have an empty battery? |
| 19:11.17 | _Bill_ | sicu: copying the roots home dir rendered qt4.4 unbootable |
| 19:11.25 | _Bill_ | well.. OS boots.. but qt never kicks in |
| 19:11.48 | Tanuva | for access with the qtopia mediaplayer one had to copy music to ~/Documents, right? |
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| 19:13.26 | lesouvage | philhug: yes a really empty battery. |
| 19:14.31 | lesouvage | philhug: the result is that the freerunner doesn't do anything, not even laoding the battery. But there is a way out ;-) |
| 19:15.37 | philhug | I know |
| 19:15.47 | philhug | did the red LED flash for a very short moment? |
| 19:16.49 | LionKMP | philhug: I have this: :-) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Nokia-charging-stand.jpg |
| 19:17.10 | LionKMP | didn't try yet |
| 19:17.23 | lesouvage | philhug: I reached a stage where no led was shining. |
| 19:17.41 | philhug | lesouvage: not even for a very short moment? |
| 19:18.11 | Dave | norsk |
| 19:18.17 | Dave | snakker! |
| 19:19.08 | sicu | nå orker vi ikke mer |
| 19:19.10 | sicu | FR suger |
| 19:19.13 | Dave | :D |
| 19:19.15 | Dave | jajaja |
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| 19:19.27 | Dave | hvor ble du av? |
| 19:19.48 | Tm_T | va? |
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| 19:20.22 | sicu | prøver å ha et liv borte fra pc'en, men den blir bare så gretten |
| 19:20.35 | sicu | nesten like hissig som FR'en :/ |
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| 19:20.46 | Dave | -_- |
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| 19:22.16 | Tanuva | sicu: what r u tryin to tell us? :P |
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| 19:24.52 | sicu | _Bill_: all you needed was scp -pr root@192.168.0.202:~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite . (not the whole shebang), though i can't really see why that would make it unbootable :/ |
| 19:25.27 | Dave | :O |
| 19:25.32 | sicu | Tanuva: i thought i made it clear as mud =] |
| 19:25.34 | Dave | Is that where all the secrets are stored!? |
| 19:25.59 | Tanuva | begins filtering the mud |
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| 19:26.57 | Tanuva | yay, exposure starts again |
| 19:27.06 | sicu | that's where they add all the fun stuff that make everything crash .... just to keep us busy and whining |
| 19:28.50 | _Bill_ | sicu: tried that aswell |
| 19:28.58 | sicu | :/ |
| 19:29.12 | _Bill_ | i have backupped the whole /home/root dir on SD |
| 19:29.25 | _Bill_ | and thus i can restore any portion of it |
| 19:29.54 | sicu | you'll just have to reflash and use 2007.2 instead .... |
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| 19:31.12 | _Bill_ | well.. qtopia4.3 works aswell |
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| 19:31.48 | Tm_T | Qtext doesn't make gprs connection here (:) |
| 19:33.15 | Tanuva | wonders if it would be sensible to write some separate dialer/contacts apps for the framework... and if it just was to get better at programming... |
| 19:34.56 | sicu | isn't quickdev doing that ? |
| 19:35.31 | Tanuva | no idea |
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| 19:40.08 | sicu | debian is being scap'ed as well now |
| 19:40.42 | sicu | there's hardly any traffic there ... can't see what you're bithin about Dave ;p |
| 19:40.50 | wurp2|working | sicu: I don't think he's doing a contacts app |
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| 19:41.08 | sicu | woha .. s/bithin/bitchin |
| 19:41.16 | wurp2|working | woha? |
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| 19:41.46 | sicu | wurp2|working: ah, k, thanks for clearing up |
| 19:42.00 | sicu | Tanuva: feel free to get started on that contacts app then ;] |
| 19:42.11 | wurp2|working | A contacts app that would kick off the fso dialer would be very welcome :-) |
| 19:42.19 | wurp2|working | any fso dialer, I should say |
| 19:43.33 | sicu | that would be great |
| 19:43.59 | sicu | fso has lots of activity ... i'm almost getting excited |
| 19:49.26 | Gnutoo | hello, i made /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop and then i can't get my display back(i didn't reboot and doesn't want to) |
| 19:50.25 | Gnutoo | because i try to see what why AT+CGMS="MC" are erased and so i tried qtopia...and i want to see if qpe/qtopia erase them or can use them |
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| 19:50.52 | Gnutoo | cat brightness returns 63 |
| 19:50.59 | Weiss | Gnutoo: SSH in and do /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start ? |
| 19:51.11 | Gnutoo | Weiss, that's my problem...it doesn't work |
| 19:51.28 | Weiss | odd.. is there any error message? |
| 19:51.34 | Gnutoo | Weiss, no |
| 19:51.39 | Gnutoo | mabe i'll try manually |
| 19:52.40 | Gnutoo | Weiss, running /etc/X11/Xserver manually shows nothing... |
| 19:53.10 | Weiss | anything revealing in /tmp/x.log ? |
| 19:53.28 | Gnutoo | i'll look...good idea |
| 19:55.30 | Weiss | needs to go (to a local OM user group meeting in fact) - back later |
| 19:55.39 | Gnutoo | http://pastebin.com/m6b6075ba |
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| 20:01.27 | Gnutoo | so i will use ssh -Y instead |
| 20:05.40 | Gnutoo | seems not to work with qtopia-dialer |
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| 20:11.19 | Gnutoo | anyone? |
| 20:11.55 | Gnutoo | mabe i should try to reboot but if it doesn't keep the AT+CPBW of AT+CPBS="MC"... |
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| 20:17.57 | Gnutoo | i rebooted... |
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| 20:20.30 | philhug | I think my charge-battery-even-if-empty-hack for u-boot works ;) |
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| 20:25.17 | _Bill_ | lpotter: alive? |
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| 20:26.35 | lpotter | yes |
| 20:27.24 | _Bill_ | a question |
| 20:28.23 | lpotter | ok shoot |
| 20:29.01 | _Bill_ | after copying qt sqlight db over from old 4.3 installation after reboot i end up in lighted black screen |
| 20:29.03 | Gnutoo | ah...it seems more alive than the cdevel channel...is there any devs working on MissedCalls in FSO? |
| 20:29.37 | _Bill_ | oh.. and if it is some differense.. i also enamble smart appearance theme |
| 20:29.44 | _Bill_ | if it makes |
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| 20:30.17 | _Bill_ | and qpe eats 90+% cpu at all times |
| 20:30.27 | _Bill_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.28 | _Bill_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.51 | _Bill_ | anything i can do to debug it? |
| 20:31.18 | lindi- | gdb attach? |
| 20:32.08 | _Bill_ | strace shows it sits on break |
| 20:32.09 | _Bill_ | brk(0x2b36000) = 0x2b36000 |
| 20:32.40 | lindi- | brk allocates memory |
| 20:32.56 | lindi- | it is not break |
| 20:33.10 | _Bill_ | hmh.. oops.. my bad then :) |
| 20:33.21 | _Bill_ | just sounded logical :P |
| 20:33.48 | _Bill_ | but it just keeps on allocating. which is weird... |
| 20:34.00 | _Bill_ | seems like some kind of loop or smthng |
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| 20:35.47 | ColdFyre | hmm |
| 20:35.51 | ColdFyre | no sound on my freerunner |
| 20:36.57 | lpotter | _Bill_: which db did you copy? |
| 20:37.14 | quickdev | ColdFyre, which image? Did you copy the modules? |
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| 20:38.14 | Gromgull | is there a mixer app? |
| 20:38.50 | ColdFyre | testing-om-gta02-20081006.uImage.bin |
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| 20:39.01 | ColdFyre | i used that .. i flashed it |
| 20:39.23 | ColdFyre | dfu-util -a kernel -R -D /home/lenny/Desktop/testing-om-gta02-20081006.uImage.bin |
| 20:39.42 | ColdFyre | i did not see any modules anywhere.. |
| 20:41.16 | lindi- | _Bill_: gdb |
| 20:42.52 | _Bill_ | lpotter: Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite |
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| 20:43.09 | _Bill_ | i wanted to get my addressbook imported :P |
| 20:43.29 | ColdFyre | hah enlightenment segfaulted |
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| 20:48.39 | lesouvage | Is it possible to install tangogps and get it up and running when using the fso distribution? |
| 20:49.42 | Wonka | yes. you need fso-gpsd too. |
| 20:50.12 | hsainct | lesouvage, I am trying it here in the FDOM distrib; it works but I cannot actually have GPS saying something consistent for now -maybe it's because I'm indoors... |
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| 20:51.13 | lesouvage | hsainct: I have it up and running with fdom but I can't get the gprs connections up and running. |
| 20:51.28 | hsainct | gprs? |
| 20:51.34 | lesouvage | hsainct: I use googlemaps, osm isn't working |
| 20:52.01 | hsainct | ah, here I can get both OSM or GM |
| 20:52.31 | hsainct | I just dl'd the GM tiles for my town |
| 20:52.40 | _Bill_ | lindi-: damn. qt4.4 image does not have gdb installed by default |
| 20:52.46 | _Bill_ | and it's really comatose atm... |
| 20:52.46 | lesouvage | hsainct: yes, with gprs it is possible to updat location info and have the whole concept of tangogps up and running. |
| 20:53.19 | hsainct | you mean you can replace the GPS info with the GPRS signal? |
| 20:53.33 | lesouvage | hsainct: My advice is to take a walk, turn gps on start tangogps and see what happens. |
| 20:54.35 | lesouvage | hsainct: one of the features of tangogps is that you can see where your buddies are on the map. This is a real exciting presence tool. |
| 20:54.47 | hsainct | in fact I don't even have a SIM card inside, I mainly intended to try GPS for now, but yes, tomorrow I'll try the walk solution (it's quite late at night here in France) |
| 20:54.53 | lindi- | _Bill_: just install it then? |
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| 20:56.38 | hsainct | lesouvage: yes, that sounds very cool, but I wonder if your friends are suposed to all use Tango, which will reduce their number a little bit |
| 20:56.51 | lesouvage | Wonka: is fso-gpsd an extra package that has to be installed? |
| 20:57.00 | Wonka | i think yes |
| 20:57.01 | hsainct | (now I could offer them all a freerunner for Xmas) |
| 20:57.05 | Wonka | in debian it is |
| 20:57.25 | lesouvage | hsainct: There where just 15 in the Netherlnads. Thant means that I was one in a milion ;-) |
| 20:57.41 | _Bill_ | lindi-: as i said.. it's rather comatose |
| 20:58.03 | hsainct | I cannot resist, in spite of the rain and night I'm going to try holding the freerunner outside to see if the GPS catches something |
| 20:58.09 | lindi- | _Bill_: comatose? |
| 20:58.44 | _Bill_ | yeah.. freezes even on ssh session.. |
| 20:58.45 | hsainct | lesouvage, where are you in NL? I come quite regularly up to Noordijk aan zee, south A'dam |
| 20:58.54 | _Bill_ | without remorse |
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| 20:59.08 | _Bill_ | logging in on ssh takes minutes |
| 20:59.22 | lesouvage | hsainct: my grandfather lived there, so as a child I have been there many times. |
| 20:59.36 | Gromgull | Does anyone know their way around e? |
| 20:59.50 | Gromgull | Where do I find the desktop file for the settings menu entry? |
| 21:00.43 | viq | /usr/share/applications ? |
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| 21:01.15 | hsainct | lesouvage, hope you will pass by in NL next time I'm there so we see each other on Tango! |
| 21:01.22 | hsainct | I'm leaving now |
| 21:01.35 | lesouvage | I'm afraid that if I try fso I can get gprs up and running but can't get tangogps up and running again. |
| 21:01.59 | lesouvage | hsainct: see you |
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| 21:14.13 | lpotter | _Bill_: I will look at if dbmigrate is actually working |
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| 23:52.50 | SirBob1701 | \q |
| 23:52.53 | SirBob1701 | hmm |
| 23:52.54 | SirBob1701 | sorry |
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