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| 00:01.56 | sicu | Dave: what's the story ? |
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| 00:02.26 | Dave | Uhh, dude |
| 00:02.28 | Dave | Not in here... ;) |
| 00:05.15 | sicu | hehe ;p |
| 00:05.25 | sicu | ~yawn |
| 00:05.25 | apt | *YAWN* I get *YAWN* tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired.. |
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| 00:05.48 | Dave | sends sicu SIGWAKE |
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| 00:30.46 | slaxxin | another day or 2 |
| 00:31.01 | slaxxin | 2008.10 |
| 00:31.54 | rooly|away | another 16 days |
| 00:31.58 | rooly|away | and i am 2 decades |
| 00:32.10 | mwester_ | yawns... |
| 00:32.50 | Dave | 2010? |
| 00:32.53 | Dave | Mwester :) |
| 00:32.55 | Dave | Huzzah! |
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| 00:33.24 | mwester_ | 2010.10 <---- Om's distro is finally considered stable. |
| 00:33.38 | azmodie | sounds good |
| 00:34.50 | rooly|away | lol |
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| 00:40.53 | slaxxin | your just a pup |
| 00:41.16 | slaxxin | i have kids 6 years older than u |
| 00:41.58 | azmodie | :) |
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| 00:56.51 | kd8ikt | i shouldve gotten an iphone |
| 00:59.02 | azmodie | lmao. |
| 01:00.27 | azmodie | i just love apt-get in my pocket. |
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| 01:05.56 | ieatlint | the iphone can't multitask... still want it? :P |
| 01:06.04 | kd8ikt | no |
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| 01:16.20 | zash | ieatlint: s/can't/isn't allowed to/ |
| 01:16.44 | zash | unless one hacks it, and then why not hack openmoko |
| 01:18.43 | Dave | :| |
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| 01:31.57 | Staticwave_Ace | zash: well, the iphone already works, hacking it adds new features |
| 01:32.08 | Staticwave_Ace | openmoko barely works, I'm still hacking it to *get* it working |
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| 01:32.55 | Sargun_Screen | iPhone = shit. |
| 01:33.04 | Sargun_Screen | Its locked, runs a propietary OS |
| 01:33.58 | Staticwave_Ace | I was more thinking its shit because I can't actually buy it without a plan |
| 01:34.06 | Staticwave_Ace | it is pretty damned nice otherwise |
| 01:34.18 | Staticwave_Ace | except for the "freedom" part |
| 01:34.34 | Sargun_Screen | Also, I can't sync the iPhone over WiF |
| 01:34.35 | Sargun_Screen | WiFi |
| 01:34.47 | Staticwave_Ace | can't sync my openmoko at all |
| 01:34.48 | Sargun_Screen | I can't SSH to it either. |
| 01:34.57 | azmodie | there releasing iphone pay as you go in uk. still not buying it. |
| 01:35.30 | Sargun_Screen | Also, I personally hate steve jobs. |
| 01:35.34 | Staticwave_Ace | well I can't buy the iphone anyways, can't afford it (as I spent my money on my moko) |
| 01:35.57 | Mononoke | I still don't get why people compare iphone with openmoko ? |
| 01:37.29 | ezekiel-v3 | because they're both new phones with touch screens that they're considering replacing their old phones with |
| 01:37.45 | ezekiel-v3 | same reason they might compare a Crackberry with a RAZR |
| 01:37.54 | ezekiel-v3 | just to see which one they like better |
| 01:38.09 | ezekiel-v3 | they just need a little education |
| 01:41.51 | Sargun_Screen | or stabbing. |
| 01:41.59 | Sargun_Screen | That's an excellent motivator |
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| 01:43.53 | azmodie | there is an idea for a new project. install linux on iphone users ! |
| 01:43.58 | Sargun_Screen | haha |
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| 01:47.55 | zash | way to early to be thinking about openmoko replacing old phones |
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| 01:56.34 | Staticwave_Ace | yeah, unless you also changed providers from a CDMA one, so there *is* no old phone to go back to |
| 01:58.59 | Dave | Sargun :) |
| 01:59.07 | Dave | azmodie, worse, set them up the openmoko |
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| 01:59.28 | zash | there is a iphonelinux project |
| 02:00.29 | Mononoke | nah just get close to apple stock-holders on wallstreet and shout "SELL SELL" |
| 02:03.17 | azmodie | lol @ dave |
| 02:07.58 | slaxxin | http://www.armedslack.org/ |
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| 03:09.21 | azmodie | night guys/girls |
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| 04:39.46 | Tetracomm | Is there an emulator for OpenMoko for linux?, I want to see what it is like? |
| 04:40.14 | Tetracomm | Hello. |
| 04:40.16 | Tetracomm | :D |
| 04:40.17 | KenYoung | Tetracomm, Yes, there is. |
| 04:41.05 | Tetracomm | Could you link me to it? |
| 04:41.11 | KenYoung | Tetracomm, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu |
| 04:41.54 | Tetracomm | Thank you. |
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| 04:42.18 | KenYoung | Tetracomm, That's probably the only useful thing I did today. |
| 04:42.40 | Tetracomm | oh. :) |
| 04:44.11 | Tetracomm | So I can't just install and run an emulator in Fedora? |
| 04:45.02 | KenYoung | Tetracomm, Sorry, I'm no expert on it. I built it from sources long ago. |
| 04:45.26 | KenYoung | I don;t really use it anymore. |
| 04:45.28 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 04:47.17 | KenYoung | Tetracomm, I built it using MokoMakefile, which was a slow process (LONG compile times) but otherwise straight-forward. |
| 04:47.57 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 04:48.03 | Tetracomm | I wish there was an RPM. |
| 04:48.08 | KenYoung | About 6 hours of compile-time on a 1.8 GHz dual-core laptop. |
| 04:48.16 | raster | am arpm for what? |
| 04:48.34 | raster | u are building the operating system for anotehr os/distro |
| 04:48.36 | raster | for another device |
| 04:48.42 | raster | the indea is NOT to have "an arpm" |
| 04:48.46 | raster | the idea is to build |
| 04:48.52 | swc|666 | <KenYoung> Tetracomm, That's probably the only useful thing I did today. lol |
| 04:49.09 | raster | because that is meant to set up a development environment for when you wish to create your own flash images |
| 04:49.15 | raster | and thus may want to replace any part of it |
| 04:49.16 | Tetracomm | Wow, my computer is slower. :( |
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| 04:54.26 | Tetracomm | KenYoung: Did you have to compile qemu or the openmoko thing? |
| 04:54.30 | Tetracomm | I got a Qemu binary. |
| 04:54.34 | Tetracomm | well |
| 04:54.34 | Tetracomm | RPM. |
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| 04:54.56 | KenYoung | Tetracomm, I compiled the whole toolchain, and Qemu. |
| 04:56.50 | KenYoung | Tetracomm, It was really the toolchain I was after. Qemu came as a bonus. I have two of the phones, so I don't really need the emulator. |
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| 04:59.25 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 04:59.27 | Tetracomm | Why two? |
| 04:59.39 | raster | for a lot of development u dont even want/need a real phone or emulator |
| 04:59.43 | raster | just write apps for your desktop |
| 04:59.49 | raster | linux is linux pretty much |
| 04:59.58 | KenYoung | Tetracomm, One neo1973 (first model) one Freerunner (second model). |
| 05:00.01 | raster | just make sure the app works well on a low-res tinty screen |
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| 05:00.08 | raster | with 1 mouse button |
| 05:00.09 | raster | :) |
| 05:00.13 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 05:00.24 | raster | if u are doing development... |
| 05:00.28 | Tetracomm | What do you think of the value that phone has? |
| 05:00.42 | stephelton | what happened to the tasks app that was on the 2007.2? I think it was part of the pimlico project. |
| 05:00.43 | Tetracomm | I would develop for it. :) |
| 05:00.44 | Tetracomm | but |
| 05:00.54 | raster | i do all of mine on my desktop - use xnest/xephyr as a nested 480x640 xserver and otherwise run e+illume there |
| 05:00.56 | Tetracomm | Wouldn't I have to learn a special programming language or dialect of one? |
| 05:00.57 | raster | and all aps under that |
| 05:01.04 | Tetracomm | What is the main language? |
| 05:01.06 | raster | its almost as good as anhy emulator for most stuff |
| 05:01.13 | raster | just mountans faster |
| 05:01.27 | KenYoung | Tetracomm, No special language is needed. That's the big attraction. |
| 05:01.39 | raster | anything u like |
| 05:01.50 | raster | if u can dev for linux - u can dev for your phone |
| 05:01.53 | KenYoung | Tetracomm, Most folks use C, Python or C++. |
| 05:01.57 | raster | c, c++, python, perl, java, ruby... |
| 05:01.58 | raster | u name it |
| 05:02.10 | raster | just remember the phone is much slower |
| 05:02.12 | raster | much much much |
| 05:02.23 | raster | so if an app "is fine with python" on your desktop |
| 05:02.30 | raster | it may run like continental drift on the phone |
| 05:02.36 | raster | so efficiency does matter |
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| 05:02.59 | KenYoung | That's what's fun about it! |
| 05:03.14 | KenYoung | (efficiency mattering) |
| 05:03.27 | raster | :) |
| 05:03.37 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rc4b0c179e961 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 05:03.37 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: otapi: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call: Improve documentation for |
| 05:03.37 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Activate() and Status(). Thanks Thomas Seiler. |
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| 05:06.03 | Tetracomm | Kenyoung: So I can use regular C to write programs for it without doing anything in particular to it? |
| 05:06.13 | raster | correct |
| 05:06.20 | KenYoung | Tetracomm, Yup. |
| 05:06.24 | Tetracomm | That is wonderful! |
| 05:06.30 | Tetracomm | I will start developing for it. :) |
| 05:06.37 | Tetracomm | Is much software currently available for it? |
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| 05:07.17 | KenYoung | Tetracomm, Great. |
| 05:07.23 | raster | yes |
| 05:07.35 | raster | though most of it is not useful in the "lets make reliable phone calls etc." department |
| 05:07.41 | raster | that end of things is still in flux |
| 05:07.44 | Tetracomm | Ok. |
| 05:07.58 | raster | but if u just want to port/write regular pda-styll apps |
| 05:07.59 | KenYoung | Tetracomm, Since you can actually run Debian on the phone, there is a huge amount of software potentially available. |
| 05:07.59 | Tetracomm | When was the first OpenMoko made? |
| 05:08.04 | raster | like games otr calendars |
| 05:08.06 | raster | or note takes |
| 05:08.10 | raster | or other such stuff |
| 05:08.14 | raster | its ready to go |
| 05:08.15 | Tetracomm | You mean full blown Debian? |
| 05:08.24 | raster | yes |
| 05:08.32 | KenYoung | Tetracomm, But there is not a lot of software specifically talored for the OM phones yet. |
| 05:08.35 | raster | though debian is really an infeasible solution |
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| 05:08.40 | Tetracomm | But the Debian software will run slow on it as is, right? Someone will have to modify them? |
| 05:08.41 | raster | it needs abotu 500m on an sd-card to run |
| 05:08.45 | raster | it cant be flashed |
| 05:08.58 | raster | als debian is immature on the phone |
| 05:09.02 | raster | and as such not really phone-driven |
| 05:09.06 | raster | its like a desktop distro |
| 05:09.12 | raster | just on a tiny touchscrene and no keyboard |
| 05:09.25 | KenYoung | Tetracomm, But it is *amazing* to see Debian run on a phone. |
| 05:09.32 | raster | but u'll have to be much more specific |
| 05:09.36 | KenYoung | You can run gimp on it! |
| 05:09.39 | raster | as such the fr is an arm pc with a gsm modem in it |
| 05:09.42 | raster | a tiny screen |
| 05:09.47 | raster | and no physical keyboard |
| 05:10.01 | raster | so dont think of it as a phone |
| 05:10.08 | raster | think of it as a pc just with shrunk-down specs |
| 05:10.15 | raster | and a different architecture |
| 05:10.33 | KenYoung | Tetracomm, If you haven't alreay, you should look around on the Openmoko community Wiki, to get an idea about the state of things. |
| 05:11.28 | KenYoung | Tetracomm, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page |
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| 05:17.52 | Tetracomm | Thank you. :) |
| 05:18.05 | Tetracomm | How slow was Debian on it? |
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| 05:18.32 | KenYoung | Tetracomm, It depends a lot on what you try to do in Debian. |
| 05:18.32 | raster | dunno |
| 05:18.34 | raster | dont touch debina |
| 05:18.45 | raster | just too infeasible as a real practical target os |
| 05:19.16 | KenYoung | It's only unuasably slow if you start doing something floating point intensive. |
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| 05:19.35 | mwester | wonders why it is that so many people think that Debian is the answer to every problem? |
| 05:19.44 | raster | wonders too |
| 05:20.00 | alphaone | hehe |
| 05:20.13 | KenYoung | mwester, I don't think Debian is the answer. I agree with Rasterman, but it is cool to try Debian at least once. |
| 05:20.22 | alphaone | Yeah, Gentoo is much better |
| 05:20.32 | raster | debian is cool for the "look.. it CAN be done" thing |
| 05:20.37 | KenYoung | Yup |
| 05:20.37 | raster | just to proove a poin t |
| 05:20.37 | alphaone | It's optimized directly for the Neo :-) |
| 05:20.39 | mwester | Heck, Linux isn't the answer to every problem -- I applaud Cisco/Linksys for the recent WRT54G direction -- good sound business move. |
| 05:20.42 | raster | prove |
| 05:20.57 | raster | but in the end u want something that will crap into about 60-120m of flash |
| 05:21.13 | raster | (wel lthe fr has 256 - but leav some space for extra apps installed and soem data) |
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| 05:21.48 | Infinyte | Err hey.. I used the special configure script for Debian. But uhh, where can I get one that sets it back to normal? |
| 05:23.30 | mwester | Rather like driving an 18-wheeler into a dead-end alley, isn't it. |
| 05:24.11 | Infinyte | <_< |
| 05:24.25 | mwester | Perhaps someone else knows, but from others who have tried to "un-do" that, it is manual, and you'll have to sort out the configure script to find what to undo. |
| 05:24.38 | Infinyte | Haha, holy snap. |
| 05:24.59 | Tetracomm | Did the desktop environment work properly on it? or just the command line? |
| 05:25.02 | mwester | You are referring to the uboot environment, or do I mistake the problem? |
| 05:25.12 | Infinyte | You're correct. |
| 05:25.31 | mwester | :( Yeah, someone else had the same trouble yesterday or so. |
| 05:25.34 | Infinyte | It worked great, but now that the new Qtopia's out I just wanna use that. And I'd like it to boot right to it. >_> |
| 05:26.20 | mwester | Perhaps a friendly note to whomever put the image and tools together would get them to put up an "unconfigure" script? |
| 05:27.00 | Tetracomm | Good. :) |
| 05:27.29 | Tetracomm | Does the operating system that it comes with have a console/terminal? |
| 05:27.33 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r0553781fd6d6 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/rule.py: oeventsd: fixed bug #169 |
| 05:28.12 | Infinyte | Yes. |
| 05:28.27 | Infinyte | Haha |
| 05:28.29 | Infinyte | I just noticed |
| 05:28.37 | Infinyte | I just flashed your kernel mwester. >_> |
| 05:28.48 | mwester | I hope you copied the modules too :) |
| 05:29.04 | Infinyte | Hmm? |
| 05:29.27 | mwester | You need the matching set of kernel modules as well. |
| 05:29.42 | Infinyte | I just got that and then the flash image from the Qtopia extended thingy |
| 05:29.55 | mwester | it'll boot and run fine - mostly. |
| 05:30.19 | mwester | there's some networking stuff that depends on kernel modules; that won't work until you install them. |
| 05:30.24 | Infinyte | Ah I see. |
| 05:30.28 | Infinyte | How do I install them? |
| 05:30.44 | Infinyte | I see 'em on your website now. |
| 05:31.14 | mwester | Download the correct ones (gta02 for Freerunner, of course), copy to the FR, cd to /, then use tar to extract. |
| 05:31.28 | Infinyte | That's it? |
| 05:31.37 | mwester | "cd /; tar xvzf /path/to/modules-min-blah.tgz" |
| 05:31.39 | mwester | That's it. |
| 05:31.53 | Infinyte | Hey wait, how do I do that without networkin'? |
| 05:32.03 | mwester | USB networking. |
| 05:32.10 | Infinyte | Ah okay, so that works. :D |
| 05:32.11 | mwester | use scp to copy the modules. |
| 05:32.30 | Infinyte | Golden |
| 05:32.32 | mwester | Actually the wifi even works |
| 05:32.58 | mwester | as long as you don't use WPA (the crypto is in modules) |
| 05:33.11 | Infinyte | Ahhh |
| 05:33.46 | Infinyte | Kewlbeans. So, how's the new Qtopia? :D |
| 05:33.50 | mwester | (The problem is that I'm trying to match the standard kernels as closely as possible -- otherwise I'd just put everything in-kernel.) |
| 05:33.59 | Tetracomm | So the OpenMoko operating system is linux based? |
| 05:34.01 | mwester | The new qtopia is amazing. It works. |
| 05:34.05 | Infinyte | :D |
| 05:34.13 | mwester | Tetracomm: So they claim. |
| 05:34.26 | Infinyte | Now if only I could fix the boot thingy. >_> |
| 05:34.43 | Infinyte | Oh well, if I ever decide to stick Debian on there again I'll be ready. XD |
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| 05:35.19 | Infinyte | Query: I'm cleaning out my SD card and I want to reformat it. Can Qtopia recognize ext2 partitions for storin' pictures and stuff? |
| 05:35.31 | mwester | Infinyte: it can't be too hard to put it back; seriously if I were in your position I'd lean on the guys who provided that configure script to provide an unconfigure. |
| 05:35.44 | mwester | ext2 is fine. |
| 05:35.53 | Infinyte | Well I don't wanna bug anyone. >_> |
| 05:36.00 | mwester | ext3 is better, in general -- why not ext3? |
| 05:36.09 | Infinyte | Oh |
| 05:36.17 | Infinyte | Can it read ext3? |
| 05:36.52 | Infinyte | If so, all the better. :D |
| 05:36.59 | mwester | Infinyte: I'm biased I admit, but if a configure script is messing with bootloader settings, it had better be able to undo what it does IMO. Otherwise it's like Windows. |
| 05:37.08 | mwester | Infinyte: Yes, it can handle ext3. |
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| 05:38.30 | Infinyte | Well it's not messing with anythin'. It works fine. I just have to open NAND u-boot and scroll to "Boot from Flash" whenever I want to use it now. |
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| 05:40.07 | Tetracomm | mwester: Ok. So nothing to worry about then. :D |
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| 05:40.17 | Tetracomm | I hope I don't have to do anything special to get my programs to work. |
| 05:40.19 | Infinyte | Does the GUI in the new qtopia work to use GSM networking? |
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| 05:41.13 | mwester | Tetracomm: well that would depend on the programs themselves. For example, there's no FPU, and the touchscreen makes some gui's not easy to use. but generally it's a pretty standad Linux environment, just smaller. |
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| 05:41.30 | Infinyte | Like DSL. :D |
| 05:41.40 | mwester | Infinyte: I hear that it does -- my plan doesn't permit me to use that :( |
| 05:41.51 | Infinyte | Aww. :< *Huggles* |
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| 05:42.34 | Tetracomm | No FPU? :s |
| 05:42.44 | raster | no |
| 05:42.49 | Infinyte | FPU? |
| 05:42.50 | raster | many devices have no fpu |
| 05:42.52 | raster | rare |
| 05:43.07 | Tetracomm | Name one or two major typical linux programs will run on it (with that OS)? |
| 05:43.17 | Infinyte | Pidgin |
| 05:43.18 | Infinyte | Firefox |
| 05:43.19 | Infinyte | :D |
| 05:43.24 | Infinyte | Oh wait |
| 05:43.26 | Infinyte | With that OS? |
| 05:43.27 | Infinyte | Nevermind |
| 05:43.54 | Tetracomm | :( |
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| 05:44.23 | Infinyte | Hey, why doesn't the Freerunner charge when it's off? |
| 05:44.34 | Infinyte | Or am I just doing something wrong? <_< |
| 05:45.08 | mwester | It does. |
| 05:45.11 | mwester | slowly |
| 05:45.19 | Infinyte | Slower than when it's on? |
| 05:46.24 | mwester | When truely off (not just suspended), it cannot know what is on the other end of the USB cable, so it must presume the worst case and it will never suck more than 100ma of current from it. |
| 05:46.58 | mwester | When uboot or the kernel is running, it will use 100ma as a worst case, but if it can sense the moko charger, it will go to 1amp |
| 05:47.19 | mwester | If it detects a host on the other end of the USB, it will go up 500ma. |
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| 05:52.54 | jOERG_zzZZzz | mwester: that's actually not correct |
| 05:52.56 | Tetracomm | Qemu is now installed. |
| 05:53.15 | Tetracomm | How do I get the OpenMoko image? Link me to it? |
| 05:53.30 | jOERG_zzZZzz | mwester: it has to do negotiation with powered up CPU - then it may go to sleep or completely off |
| 05:53.55 | Infinyte | Ohhhh |
| 05:53.55 | Infinyte | Kay, makes perfect sense now. |
| 05:53.55 | Infinyte | You're smart. :D You on the dev team or something? |
| 05:53.57 | jOERG_zzZZzz | It'll continue to charge at same rate - at least that's what thinks should be like |
| 05:54.03 | Infinyte | Hey, it asks the time at the begining. :D |
| 05:54.17 | Infinyte | Up and runnin'. Now to install those thingies. |
| 05:54.29 | Infinyte | Sorry about that, lost connection. |
| 05:54.42 | jOERG_zzZZzz | ~docscrutinizer |
| 05:54.43 | apt | [docscrutinizer] jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 05:54.57 | mwester | who is presently asleep. |
| 05:55.04 | mwester | (according to his nick ;) |
| 05:55.05 | jOERG_zzZZzz | yup ;-) |
| 05:55.21 | jOERG_zzZZzz | net even had a breakfast ;-) |
| 05:55.26 | jOERG_zzZZzz | so... |
| 05:55.30 | jOERG_zzZZzz | away now |
| 05:57.02 | Infinyte | Hrmm.. There a simple way to make it stop saying: ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host |
| 05:57.26 | mwester | jOERG_zzZZzz: after breakfast, can you comment on the audio problem (the RC network that filtered out the low freqs) -- was that Neo, or FR, and was that ever fixed? |
| 05:57.28 | ljp | hmm.. phonecall wakeup from suspend stopped working ;/ |
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| 05:57.57 | mwester | uh-oh |
| 05:58.49 | Tetracomm | Where can I get the OpenMoko image file? |
| 05:59.07 | Infinyte | Ah, got it. >_> |
| 05:59.31 | mwester | calls his FR from his other cell phone... it resumes from suspend ok and rings. |
| 05:59.49 | mwester | answers, has a huge argument with self, and hangs up in disgust. |
| 06:00.29 | mwester | ljp: you broke it! Mine works ok. |
| 06:01.35 | ljp | hmmm |
| 06:02.57 | mwester | Tetracomm: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
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| 06:04.36 | Tetracomm | Is this it?: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/ |
| 06:05.25 | jOERG_zzZZzz | mwester: (audio) see schematics a5-a7-cummulative: C4110, c4111. Not sure whether I was able to convince our fab to place a decent cap there for A7 :-/ |
| 06:06.22 | mwester | Would a simple high-impedance unity-gain amplifier solve the problem (external, for example built into a short plug-to-jack cable)? |
| 06:06.35 | jOERG_zzZZzz | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf |
| 06:07.06 | Tetracomm | and which of those files? |
| 06:07.25 | jOERG_zzZZzz | mwester: most simple thing: short c4110 and c4111, and have a pair of decent C inside this ext cable |
| 06:07.56 | jOERG_zzZZzz | though might break HOLD-button function |
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| 06:08.04 | jOERG_zzZZzz | nope nonsense |
| 06:08.08 | max_posedon | Hi! How to setup networking service. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth fails with ip: cannot find device "bnep0" |
| 06:08.15 | jOERG_zzZZzz | bye |
| 06:09.10 | mwester | Well, yes - agreed. But now that the software stack is stabilizing, I was thinking that perhaps a simple external hardware project that wouldn't involve soldering the PCB might be nice thing to document for the community, and it might be an interesting project for me to document -- I've not done much hardware for quite a while. |
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| 06:12.05 | Tetracomm | mwester? |
| 06:13.41 | mwester | ? |
| 06:14.12 | jOERG_zzZZzz | mwester: you got R4116 R4117 pulldowns, so for a really decent sound you need external amp with an RC-net of 1uF to gnd to compensate for the highpass in FR |
| 06:14.27 | Tetracomm | Is this it?: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/ |
| 06:14.28 | Tetracomm | and which of those files? |
| 06:15.10 | mwester | jOERG_zzZZzz: I'll play about with that, and see what can be done. 1uF is not too hard to source, at least in the larger cities I think. |
| 06:15.34 | jOERG_zzZZzz | lol, sure it isn't |
| 06:15.35 | mwester | Tetracomm: I don't know what you are trying to do, so I don't know what files you need! |
| 06:16.39 | mwester | has Qt Extended now running on a Neo with a brand new "no-X11" FSO base image. With feeds even. |
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| 06:18.07 | ljp | mwester: wanna share that rootfs? |
| 06:18.12 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 06:18.43 | mwester | ljp: Yep. But I have a few missing packages yet... I forgot the timezones it seems. |
| 06:18.58 | mwester | Hmm... also no wpa_supplicant |
| 06:19.03 | mwester | or iwconfig |
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| 06:19.24 | mwester | Ok, looks like I need to do another spin -- I spoke too soon. :D |
| 06:19.37 | ljp | :) |
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| 06:25.13 | Infinyte | I'm in love with the new Qtopia. ;D |
| 06:25.44 | ljp | if you love it so much, why dont you marry it? |
| 06:25.51 | ljp | you mean Qt Extended |
| 06:25.56 | Infinyte | Yeah |
| 06:26.01 | ljp | much more sexy name :) |
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| 06:31.25 | mwester | ljp: how do I convince qt extended to use the mux on a neo? |
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| 06:33.15 | ljp | youd have to recompile the mux plugin |
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| 06:33.36 | mwester | ick... |
| 06:33.48 | ljp | or change cpuinfo :) |
| 06:34.19 | mwester | 5.6MB free space left |
| 06:34.22 | mwester | on the neo. |
| 06:34.44 | mwester | I left the python and frameworkd stuff in, and booted the games and X11 stuff. |
| 06:34.49 | ljp | ouch |
| 06:36.04 | mwester | Dunno how you feel about Qt Extended talking to the FSO dbus stuff for system services... |
| 06:36.26 | mwester | I left it in because it seemed a good idea to abstract some of that stuff out. |
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| 06:39.06 | mwester | Hmm... ljp: does qt extended need an external gstreamer app? |
| 06:39.32 | FxChiP|Sleep | is going to bed now, night everyone |
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| 07:00.12 | Tetracomm | mwester: Sorry. I want the operating system image to load with Qemu. Which is it? |
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| 07:14.10 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix bug where sending/storing SMS with local number fails |
| 07:14.10 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This happend on all numbers not in international (starting with '+') |
| 07:14.10 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: format |
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| 07:36.56 | lpotter | mwester: i dont think so, just eh gstreamer stuff |
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| 07:42.46 | Tm_M | is there a way to force keyboard up in qtextended ? |
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| 07:58.13 | gromez | hum i'm trying to boot debian but the kernel only shows mmcblk0 but no partitions so kernel panic :( |
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| 08:06.26 | lindi- | gromez: file /dev/mmcblk0? |
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| 08:09.06 | gromez | lindi-: just before loading / it shows the partition table, it shows mtdblock*, mmcblk0, but no mmcblk0p* |
| 08:09.27 | lindi- | gromez: yep, can you run file -sL /dev/mmcblkp0? |
| 08:09.33 | lindi- | gromez: yep, can you run file -sL /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 08:10.21 | gromez | lindi-: from the OS on NAND ? |
| 08:10.30 | gromez | /dev/mmcblk0: x86 boot sector; partition 2: ID=0x83, starthead 0, startsector 15680, 1953216 sectors; partition 3: ID=0x83, starthead 3, startsector 1968896, 3906240 sectors |
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| 08:10.33 | lindi- | gromez: for example yes |
| 08:10.39 | lindi- | gromez: ok so it has two partitions |
| 08:11.00 | gromez | but /proc/partitions shows my 3 partitions |
| 08:11.23 | SpeedEvil | you're not counting the root device along with the partitions? |
| 08:11.38 | gromez | http://tribugentoo.pastebin.com/m2cceac9a |
| 08:12.16 | gromez | p1 for kernel, p2 for storing files and p3 is Debian |
| 08:12.17 | SpeedEvil | Umm... |
| 08:12.32 | SpeedEvil | I'm not sure file will always interpret things fully. |
| 08:12.40 | SpeedEvil | It depends on the person that wrote the entry |
| 08:13.19 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't for me forex. |
| 08:13.41 | SpeedEvil | 6 parts, shows 2,3,4 |
| 08:13.46 | SpeedEvil | oh - extended partitions |
| 08:14.06 | gromez | my 3 partitions are primary partitions |
| 08:14.13 | SpeedEvil | yeah - done another test |
| 08:14.19 | SpeedEvil | it misses off the first one for me |
| 08:14.27 | SpeedEvil | with a 4 partition disk |
| 08:14.50 | SpeedEvil | ask fdisk |
| 08:15.36 | gromez | http://tribugentoo.pastebin.com/m874ba31 looks ok |
| 08:16.07 | SpeedEvil | Seems to. |
| 08:16.50 | gromez | maybe i could change the kernel, does mwester one work with Debian ? |
| 08:18.01 | lindi- | gromez: i wouldn't use different kernel yet since it makes bug reporting difficult? |
| 08:18.46 | gromez | lindi-: you're right |
| 08:18.57 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke * ra23ea4c38fe1 10/src/server/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [keyboard] Remove the Keyboard Handler, keyboards will be external apps |
| 08:18.57 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke * rbb4492184f34 10/src/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [keyboard] Build the keyboards as standalone applications |
| 08:18.57 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke * r8ac7500e10f9 10/apps-fdo/Keyboards/ (qkeyboard.desktop qpredictivekeyboard.desktop): [keyboard] Provide fdo desktop files for the keyboard application |
| 08:18.59 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke * r22c3c1f28631 10/devices/ficgta01/environment: [gta01] Do not autoadd a random path to the environment |
| 08:20.24 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07specs * rfdf0f42ffecb 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 08:20.24 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: otapi: Update org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM and org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS |
| 08:20.24 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM: Add properties value to RetrieveMessage and |
| 08:20.24 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: StoreMessage and rename IncomingMessage to IncomingStoredMessage |
| 08:20.24 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS: Fill in documentation for IncomingMessage() |
| 08:20.26 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: and SendMessage() |
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| 08:20.42 | mickey|tw | yay! |
| 08:20.49 | alphaone | :-) |
| 08:20.56 | alphaone | doing documentation |
| 08:21.03 | alphaone | Mark this day |
| 08:21.06 | mickey|tw | hehe |
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| 08:21.08 | mickey|tw | marks |
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| 08:27.30 | soundar | anybody know how to start an app on boot up ? |
| 08:28.40 | Wonka | /etc/rc?.d, /etc/init.d? |
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| 08:29.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r9f7adc9902d2 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Remove useless warning message when doing git merger |
| 08:30.56 | gromez | install.sh using kernel from FSO MS3 and i remember this kernel couldn't detect correctly my 8gb microsd card |
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| 08:32.58 | soundar | how to start an app on boot up ? |
| 08:33.48 | zash | soundar: read up on init.d & co |
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| 08:41.30 | quickdev | soundar, probably you want /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
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| 08:43.04 | Guilt | mwester: the updated kernel link on this page is broken: http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 |
| 08:43.11 | Guilt | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.20 | Guilt | mwester: the updated kernel link on this page is broken: http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 |
| 08:43.51 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * re97e8516b304 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksum for systat-8.1.5.tar.gz |
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| 08:44.17 | Guilt | damn cgi:irc; and, is the calypso fixed in the 6th oct // newer kernel? :-) |
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| 08:48.29 | Wonka | calypso firmware is completely independent of linux kernels, afaik |
| 08:48.54 | gromez | i didn't see it last time but i have buffer i/o error on device mmcblk0 : unable to read partition table, so it explains the problem |
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| 08:50.39 | KaZeR | can you know the hardware revision using the date code? |
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| 08:53.50 | sicu | KaZeR: did you not get the hardware revision of the device? or have you not tried yet? |
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| 08:56.26 | KaZeR | i don't have the device yet. it's for a used one i might buy |
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| 08:57.41 | marcmoe | how to join the irc over pidging? |
| 08:57.59 | marcmoe | ...pidgin i mean |
| 08:58.20 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick * r4695 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c: |
| 08:58.20 | CIA-22 | openmoko: [libmokoui2] Let finger scroll faster. |
| 08:58.20 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Thanks Trevi?\195?\177o's patch |
| 08:58.42 | fo_Q | hi, is anyone of you using openmoko-2008.9 on the htc magician ? |
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| 08:59.53 | emilis_info | heh, how do I use dfu-util on Ubuntu (Hardy) if my /proc/bus/usb is empty and would not mount? |
| 09:00.15 | lindi- | emilis_info: ls /dev/bus/usb? |
| 09:00.24 | emilis_info | sorry |
| 09:00.35 | emilis_info | just found a typo in my mount program |
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| 09:00.49 | emilis_info | forgot to write "usbfs" two times |
| 09:01.03 | lindi- | only one is enough :) |
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| 09:01.05 | emilis_info | /dev/bus/usb contains all the 001 etc dirs |
| 09:01.18 | lindi- | emilis_info: you should use just /dev/bus/usb |
| 09:01.26 | lindi- | emilis_info: /proc/bus/usb is not needed anymore |
| 09:01.34 | emilis_info | oh... ok |
| 09:01.35 | emilis_info | :) |
| 09:01.48 | emilis_info | It is still in dfu-util documentation in wiki, though |
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| 09:02.49 | lindi- | it's just old i guess |
| 09:03.14 | marcmoe | what is the address of this server? i want to join the irc over pidgin |
| 09:03.35 | lindi- | marcmoe: irc.freenode.org? |
| 09:04.01 | kd8ikt | lol someones gotta quote grab that |
| 09:04.47 | emilis_info | Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=6, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
| 09:04.53 | emilis_info | is this good? |
| 09:04.54 | emilis_info | :) |
| 09:05.17 | ceda | emilis_info: that looks like mine does |
| 09:05.46 | emilis_info | hmm |
| 09:05.58 | emilis_info | so can I flash it from that point? |
| 09:06.03 | marcmoe | so i try usr@openmoko.freenode.org |
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| 09:06.28 | kd8ikt | shoot whats that webpage that showcases funny irc quotes... omfg i cant remember it |
| 09:06.47 | zash | marcmoe: irc.freenode.org/openmoko |
| 09:07.05 | zash | kd8ikt: qdb.something bash.org |
| 09:07.13 | kd8ikt | bash.org |
| 09:07.14 | zash | qdb.us |
| 09:07.14 | kd8ikt | thats it |
| 09:07.34 | kd8ikt | how could i forget that |
| 09:07.36 | sicu | kd8ikt: heeh ... they just keep popping up in here ;] |
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| 09:09.30 | kd8ikt | heh oh thank you i love bash.org |
| 09:09.46 | kd8ikt | lost paradise found |
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| 09:10.47 | marcmoe | thx i ll try to log out |
| 09:10.52 | marcmoe | and in again |
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| 09:10.54 | gromez | so it was a kernel problem, with mwester one, Debian boots ! maybe the latest glamo patch isn't included in fso kernels |
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| 09:15.43 | marcmoe | got it |
| 09:16.00 | rwhitby | one wonders why the mwester kernel is not made the default for all OM distros ... |
| 09:17.30 | marcmoe | why? @ rwhitby |
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| 09:17.48 | kd8ikt | because he's got a gazillion bug patches |
| 09:18.27 | kd8ikt | and poor ole me cant compile a kernel and create a uimage out of it cause ir sofa king we tall did |
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| 09:21.52 | marcmoe | do you need the build environment to compile a proper kernel? |
| 09:24.45 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rc09b53e36978 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): |
| 09:24.45 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: opreferencesd: Added list type |
| 09:24.45 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: I also removed the dictionary key access (we can only get a full dict if the value is a dict now). |
| 09:24.45 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This is because this feature was only here for the pim system, but it is going to use its own backend instead |
| 09:24.47 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: so we don't need this anymore. |
| 09:24.49 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r09813f305dbb 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): |
| 09:24.51 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Using the preferences service to get the list of enabled rules |
| 09:24.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: I added a small example in the rules file so that we can see how it works. |
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| 09:26.29 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03erin * r115a733771d2 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): apply mwester patch for bug#1024 GSM modem re-registering problem |
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| 09:33.39 | kd8ikt | zash you rock |
| 09:34.03 | zash | do i |
| 09:34.05 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r45a80b28a610 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: Added preferences interface |
| 09:34.33 | kd8ikt | i would've gone insane without remembering bash.org |
| 09:35.08 | zash | google("irc quotes"); |
| 09:35.11 | zash | perhaps |
| 09:35.37 | zash | ["bash.org", "qdb.us", ... ] |
| 09:36.02 | kd8ikt | you know what i did that but i saw QDB and just skipped right through not looking at the actual url |
| 09:36.56 | bipak_ | is it possible to build only the latest qtopia-x11 stuff instead of building the whole image? |
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| 09:39.53 | KaZeR | "2 3D accelerometers that orient the phone's screen -- for example, switching to landscape mode automatically " -> does that works? |
| 09:40.27 | bipak_ | KaZeR: with an additional tool, yes |
| 09:40.50 | KaZeR | what's the tool? |
| 09:40.58 | bipak_ | rotate |
| 09:40.59 | bipak_ | :) |
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| 09:41.23 | KaZeR | ah ok.. and i guess we need to write a small script, or something like that? |
| 09:41.25 | Shlee | KaZeR: Word on the street is.. it'll work by default once the FSO milestones are completed |
| 09:41.32 | Shlee | plus.. there are applications already for it now. |
| 09:41.53 | KaZeR | ah ok thanks |
| 09:42.13 | bipak_ | KaZeR: no the tool already exists, its name is rotate. can be found in the wiki i guess |
| 09:43.43 | KaZeR | ah ok thank bipak_ |
| 09:44.16 | KaZeR | does anyone knows where gta02v6 production started? i might be buying a used FR, which has a datecode of 20080728 |
| 09:44.24 | KaZeR | can i know for sure which revision it is? |
| 09:44.31 | bipak_ | hmm |
| 09:44.48 | bipak_ | i can say that mine was build as well on 0728 |
| 09:45.06 | KaZeR | ok. and which one is it? |
| 09:45.11 | bipak_ | dunno :) |
| 09:45.21 | KaZeR | cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep -i revision ? |
| 09:46.49 | bipak_ | wait |
| 09:47.37 | bipak_ | hmm |
| 09:47.38 | bipak_ | Hardware : GTA02 |
| 09:47.39 | bipak_ | Revision : 0360 |
| 09:47.46 | KaZeR | ok great thanks |
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| 09:48.48 | bipak_ | np |
| 09:51.36 | ieatlint | just so you know, "grep -i revision /proc/cpuinfo" is simpler ;) |
| 09:52.43 | KaZeR | ieatlint, you're right. bad, bad habit like "find . |grep foo :)" |
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| 09:53.00 | ieatlint | hehe, that has more merit :) |
| 09:53.50 | ieatlint | find -name uses a syntax that we're not as familiar with |
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| 10:00.33 | viq | ieatlint: find /somewhere -iname '*foo*' |
| 10:00.49 | SpeedEvil | -iname is the variant of name that ignores case |
| 10:00.55 | viq | yup |
| 10:02.38 | ieatlint | yeah, but the syntax is not what i'm accustomed to |
| 10:03.01 | ieatlint | putting it in quotes and using wildcards are required |
| 10:03.13 | ieatlint | (well, quotes aren't for some) |
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| 10:03.53 | ieatlint | not saying it's proper to pipe to grep, but that there is [bad] logic to it... and a majority of people do it ;) |
| 10:04.39 | kd8ikt | less program's you init the better |
| 10:05.18 | lindi- | unless typing the command takes longer time :) |
| 10:05.28 | ieatlint | i'd say the easiest and fastest (relative to the user) is the best |
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| 10:05.48 | kd8ikt | if its stupid but works it isnt stupid |
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| 10:06.22 | ieatlint | so if i get accustomed to switching between grep, locate and find constantly, it's easier to have a standard format for the query |
| 10:07.40 | ieatlint | and the time/resource usage is negligible... in fact, you can perhaps make a big long inquiry into whether grep or find's string matching algorithm is better |
| 10:08.08 | ieatlint | but you'd have a depressing amount of spare time if you did |
| 10:11.54 | lindi- | ieatlint: heh |
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| 10:57.52 | Guilt | Wonka> so the firmware should be shipped in the modules? |
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| 10:58.07 | Guilt | or as part of the userland in /lib/modules ? |
| 10:58.15 | Wonka | Guilt: the GSM FW is in the GSM chipset |
| 10:58.33 | Wonka | Guilt: and afaik there is no method designed for end users to update it |
| 10:58.40 | Guilt | Wonka: is it uploaded to the chip, i mean. |
| 10:59.02 | Guilt | oh heck, alright. so I was wondering if there is a fix by mwester around it |
| 10:59.19 | Shlee | Software workarounds.. |
| 10:59.49 | Guilt | http://moko.mwester.net/brc.html <-- this page |
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| 11:00.04 | Guilt | i think mwester was working on it. |
| 11:00.34 | Guilt | Wonka: Shlee: this page hints me about it: http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 |
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| 11:01.04 | Guilt | apparently the uImage to download is the older one |
| 11:01.21 | ieatlint | wonka is right... the modem has firmware, and it is closed source... hypothetically, TI could release an update for it |
| 11:01.41 | Wonka | by the way, I too am waiting for a solution to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards |
| 11:01.42 | ieatlint | but the calypso modem is at the end of its life, and TI long ago stopped working on it, as i understand it |
| 11:02.16 | Guilt | they sold us outdated hardware? ;p |
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| 11:02.31 | ieatlint | Guilt, you didn't figure that out when it was gprs only? :) |
| 11:02.53 | Guilt | they sold us outdated hardware? ;p |
| 11:02.57 | ieatlint | i had a gprs only phone with a serial AT interface, quad band... 2001 |
| 11:03.01 | Shlee | + the GITMO.. |
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| 11:03.57 | Guilt | ieatlint: that's alright considering even GPRS doesnt work now. |
| 11:04.10 | ieatlint | gprs works for me |
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| 11:05.06 | ieatlint | and that phone ruled... i miss it... the cable to get the serial interface was like .5 inches thick... and i would get the most awesome looks to be at a cafe with this huge cable connecting me phone to my laptop to tether |
| 11:05.17 | Guilt | ieatlint: really? on the neo? ;p |
| 11:05.29 | ieatlint | yep |
| 11:05.35 | ieatlint | fso |
| 11:05.41 | Guilt | wow. any page telling us how to do that? |
| 11:05.55 | Guilt | ieatlint: does Qtopia do that? |
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| 11:06.06 | ieatlint | i'm reasonably sure qtopia des |
| 11:06.07 | ieatlint | does |
| 11:06.15 | ieatlint | go to the network settings |
| 11:06.24 | ieatlint | it has a gui to do it as i recall |
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| 11:07.04 | ieatlint | for fso, search the wiki for "fso gprs" ... 2008.9 (.10 yet?) supports it too methinks, but it too has a different interface, and the wiki undoubtedly has info |
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| 11:11.20 | Guilt | ieantlint: anyway. battery life and stability is more concern to me than GPRS |
| 11:11.31 | Guilt | the 2007.2 at least didn't hang up/die on me. |
| 11:11.59 | leinir | Qt 4.4.1 with mwester's kernel hasn't died on me either :) |
| 11:12.07 | ieatlint | battery life is important to me, but so data is equally so |
| 11:12.08 | leinir | And it seems to have really good battery life :) |
| 11:12.17 | ieatlint | i use my phone's data for important things |
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| 11:17.46 | Guilt | <leinir> I'm awaiting mwester's latest kernel |
| 11:18.34 | Guilt | not g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin but g78199ea0_mwester-stable.bin \ |
| 11:18.38 | Guilt | not g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin but g78199ea0_mwester-stable.bin |
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| 11:22.57 | Shlee | Wait? Using Stable or Stable-Tracker |
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| 11:23.53 | Guilt | Shlee? huh? |
| 11:24.03 | Guilt | i'm looking at this page: http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 |
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| 11:30.43 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07bitbake-om * r44c130c8f7ac 10/lib/bb/fetch/git.py: git.py : Failing to remove a directory fails for symlinks |
| 11:31.05 | methril | morning |
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| 12:05.33 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: #1024 KEWL! :-) |
| 12:05.48 | DocScrutinizer | kudos! |
| 12:07.39 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: you wondered whether it's "fixed" by a call, or $SLEEP is reset. Should be easy to evaluate: just give a AT$SLEEP=4(?) after call, and see whether osc starts over again |
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| 12:13.54 | Guilt | DocScrutinizer: any updates available for QT-extended/whatever uses qtopia? |
| 12:14.14 | DocScrutinizer | no SW expert, sorry |
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| 12:34.25 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * ree8ea9613312 10/ (25 files in 6 dirs): |
| 12:34.25 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Applied quickdev patches (thanks again) : |
| 12:34.25 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: - Added ousaged functions and phonegui headers. |
| 12:34.25 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: - Added messages for internal dbus errors. |
| 12:34.25 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: - Followed frameworkd API changes. |
| 12:34.29 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: TODO : Find some time to do other things than just applying patches. |
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| 12:37.03 | Shlee | lol |
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| 13:14.12 | CIA-22 | openmoko: don't use non-portable headesr for endian conversion but rather implements a |
| 13:14.12 | CIA-22 | openmoko: private, portable endianness conversion routine (Closes: #1835) |
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| 13:44.28 | Richlv | openmoko pipermail default config is a bit of a pain to read for a longer period |
| 13:45.11 | Richlv | anyway, reading the lost community thread i came to conclusion that there's still a long way to "just works" phone part, right ? :) |
| 13:46.01 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:46.12 | mwester | Richlv: :) Depends on what you want. It's a loooong way to, for example, the same stable core as "Maemo" ---- but actually FSO has made huge progress and Qtopia the same. |
| 13:46.13 | SpeedEvil | In some images it may function as a phone/... |
| 13:46.13 | Hire | we need to see |
| 13:46.22 | SpeedEvil | The next weeks image may not. |
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| 13:46.25 | Hire | when someone release the SHR |
| 13:46.58 | Hire | however we need to wait some days to see an alpha |
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| 13:48.55 | Richlv | mwester, well, i'd like pretty solid phone/address book/alarm clock functionality & usable sms functionality ;) |
| 13:48.59 | Richlv | which includes power management |
| 13:49.10 | Richlv | other things - i'm happy with running gpsd from cli and such |
| 13:49.28 | Richlv | but it would be a bit too expensive of a toy for me if i couldn't use it as my only phone |
| 13:49.41 | Richlv | so i'm popping up here now and then & reading openmoko wiki :) |
| 13:50.03 | mwester | Richlv: Ah, yes -- well it's a bit too early to say it could be your *only* phone, but what you describe is probably a good match for Qtopia (or qt extended now). |
| 13:50.14 | mwester | Give it a few minor releases. |
| 13:51.07 | Richlv | sounds nice |
| 13:55.07 | Richlv | is there something like opensuse buildservice for openmoko ? |
| 13:55.22 | Richlv | that could help with some of the problems people were talking about in the lostcom thread |
| 13:55.34 | Richlv | (sorry about that short version :D ) |
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| 14:04.34 | Guilt | any images with bouncy calypso fix? |
| 14:04.36 | Guilt | mwester: ping |
| 14:04.46 | Guilt | mwester_: ping |
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| 14:07.22 | mwester | Guilt: none yet downloadable AFAIK |
| 14:12.40 | Guilt | mwester: is the oscill fix going to be a userland or kernel fix? |
| 14:12.56 | mwester | user |
| 14:13.10 | Guilt | hmm. :/ i was planning to untar, patch and build if it werent available. |
| 14:13.19 | Guilt | but it's going to take me a long time. |
| 14:13.37 | zecke | mwester: thanks for finding that command :) |
| 14:13.38 | Guilt | mwester: can you put up a rootfs on the directory? |
| 14:13.56 | Guilt | mwester: hey, great job on the sleep command :-) |
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| 14:14.54 | mwester | Guilt: I am reluctant to put up any images, as all of the major distros have already incorporated a fix in one form or another, and the community does not need me to further contribute to the fragmentation! |
| 14:16.08 | Guilt | mwester: on qt-extended.org ? |
| 14:16.28 | Guilt | mwester: i'm not sure whom I should ask to put up a fixed rootfs and kernel. |
| 14:17.52 | Guilt | mwester: btw, the qt-extended.org site points out the latest kernel is 6th oct, git id: g78199ea0 |
| 14:18.23 | mwester | Guilt: For qtopia, I am led to understand that a fix has already been incorporated and will be in the next image (4.4.2?) that will be uploaded at some point in time -- dunno when that will be though. For 2008.x, a version with the fixes should be in the unstable feeds in a day or so, I would imagine (I saw the commit some hours ago) |
| 14:18.27 | Guilt | but when i click on it, It downloads uImage-gta01-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin |
| 14:18.47 | mwester | The one it downloads is the latest one; git hashes are not sequential. |
| 14:19.17 | Guilt | mwester: i diff-ed it against what I downloaded yesterday, but it wasn't different? |
| 14:19.30 | Guilt | oh heck, okay |
| 14:19.31 | Guilt | :-) |
| 14:19.51 | Guilt | then we should update the version id on qtopia.net |
| 14:20.00 | mwester | lost the argument on what should be used as a version ID for kernels; the Openmoko kernel devs insisted on a git hash instead of a proper sequential number. |
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| 14:20.24 | Guilt | mwester: the hash doesn't make sense. because it could arbitrarily mean any version |
| 14:20.30 | mwester | I know. |
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| 14:20.34 | Guilt | they could use git-hash for sub versions |
| 14:20.38 | mwester | Yep. |
| 14:20.46 | Guilt | yeah |
| 14:21.02 | mwester | So I could be a real jerk, and unilaterally decide to do it the right way... |
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| 14:21.39 | Guilt | well. numbers don't matter for correctness |
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| 14:21.51 | Guilt | but numbers matter in a democracy. :-D |
| 14:21.52 | mwester | or I can do it Openmoko's way, get the user communities' response, and then I have outside evidence that would confirm that it should be a simple incrementing integer. |
| 14:22.11 | Guilt | hehe :-) |
| 14:22.48 | mwester | So I think we'll be going back to a proper integer, but only after enough commentary has come in so that I can at least say "Hey I tried it your way! And it doesn't work!" |
| 14:22.51 | Guilt | mwester: afaik, there are 3 open bugs for releasing qt-extended 4.4.4 |
| 14:22.58 | Guilt | so it should take a while for the image. |
| 14:23.18 | Guilt | mmm :-) |
| 14:23.21 | mwester | There are many more than 3 bugs, but the ones I've encountered should be easy to fix. |
| 14:23.36 | Guilt | nono, the tickets for release 4.4.4 are 3 |
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| 14:24.08 | Guilt | mwester: do you work for QT? |
| 14:24.18 | mwester | No |
| 14:24.26 | Guilt | Nokia? |
| 14:24.36 | mwester | I have no more visibility into the Nokia/Trolltech organziation than anyone else. |
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| 14:24.55 | Guilt | okay. |
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| 14:26.42 | Guilt | mwester: how long does qtopia take to build? |
| 14:27.17 | Guilt | basically i need to get the arm920 tool chain, the source tarball, configure, make install, right? |
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| 14:27.31 | Guilt | (it's not like makemokofile/openembedded) ? |
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| 14:35.43 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke * r711e8236746e 10/src/libraries/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [gsm] Fixes from trolltech for CUSD handling that are in Qtopia4.3.3 |
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| 14:51.04 | timo2k | sorry if its has been asked a lot before... opkg update fails to download Packages.gz does the url have changed (Om2008.8)?? |
| 14:51.44 | gromez | timo2k: which url ? |
| 14:51.57 | timo2k | * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.gz, error 0 |
| 14:52.34 | timo2k | um.. oh I can access it |
| 14:52.37 | jones | got my moko |
| 14:52.42 | jones | im in lov |
| 14:52.44 | jones | e |
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| 14:53.26 | timo2k | oh it was a name server issue :) sorry for my fast shot! |
| 14:56.14 | jones | definately worth missing an AI pratical |
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| 15:05.13 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4697 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/ (3 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:05.13 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Fix a major memory leak and clean up some old crud. |
| 15:05.13 | CIA-22 | openmoko: wlan-spi-hif.patch: |
| 15:05.13 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - drivers/ar6000/hif/hif2.c (MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE): forgot to update the symbol |
| 15:05.13 | CIA-22 | openmoko: name after copy and paste |
| 15:05.14 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - drivers/ar6000/hif/hif2.c (process_request): free requests after processing |
| 15:05.18 | CIA-22 | openmoko: them, oopsie ! |
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| 15:06.01 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r5ee8e5ac6fa0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get GSM Sleep/#1024 changes and keyboard fixes |
| 15:06.02 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r692e40eab357 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Split out the new libqtopiainputmethod library |
| 15:06.02 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r062587a1123c 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Split out the predictive and stylus keyboard |
| 15:06.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r4f48134ed330 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [qtopia] Add the keyboard applications to the task |
| 15:06.12 | Wonka | spaaaam? |
| 15:06.31 | mattl | er.. no. |
| 15:06.46 | Weiss | mmm... GSM sleep fix.... |
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| 15:07.38 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4698 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/ (hif-linux-sdio.patch series wlan-spi-hif.patch): |
| 15:07.38 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Rename wlan-spi-hif.patch to hif-linux-sdio.patch, following the same naming as |
| 15:07.38 | CIA-22 | openmoko: the rest of this patch stack. |
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| 15:12.19 | m0nt0 | hi, i'd like to develop a bit zhone in FSO distro, is there a way to submit the patches? |
| 15:12.40 | dolf1074 | http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ |
| 15:12.43 | dolf1074 | and make new tickets |
| 15:13.00 | dolf1074 | m0nt0: ps: zhone has no high priority |
| 15:13.25 | mickey|tw | dolf1074 is right, appreciating patches anyways |
| 15:13.26 | wurp2|working | All the more reason for m0nt0 to contribute patches :-) |
| 15:13.31 | mickey|tw | I'd love someone to rewrite that |
| 15:13.37 | mickey|tw | making it more structured |
| 15:13.38 | mickey|tw | extensible |
| 15:13.41 | mickey|tw | et. al. |
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| 15:13.46 | m0nt0 | dolf1074, i know but i like very much it so why not make it more usable an beautiful? :D |
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| 15:14.31 | dolf1074 | m0nt0: that would be cool, but don't be upset if it takes a long time before your patches are reviewed/inserted into the main code |
| 15:14.42 | dolf1074 | they will eventually |
| 15:15.49 | m0nt0 | dolf1074, no problem about that, i was going to translate the strings in ita, but after a while i said "hey, why not make things better making some patches may be", so here we are |
| 15:15.56 | marcmoe | is there a gtka howto from the community? |
| 15:16.15 | mickey|tw | m0nt0: that's the spriti |
| 15:16.17 | mickey|tw | spirit, even |
| 15:16.57 | m0nt0 | i don't pretend that everything i submit/do will be accepted, but if there's a way i'll try, if anyone wants to use the code is welcome, else no problem, ill get what i want wit the code |
| 15:17.17 | dolf1074 | m0nt0: and post your new zhone somewhere on the site, so everyone can follow your progress/changes and maybe help with you |
| 15:17.50 | dolf1074 | and maybe we will have a new frontend for the fso after some time. |
| 15:17.51 | m0nt0 | yeah |
| 15:17.58 | m0nt0 | :D |
| 15:18.13 | dolf1074 | and then the goal of fso is finished |
| 15:18.21 | m0nt0 | hey i like it, some mods have to be don imho mut i like it |
| 15:18.29 | m0nt0 | :D |
| 15:20.11 | dolf1074 | m0nt0: mail me if there are updates or if you have place on the wiki where I can follow your progress, please |
| 15:20.28 | dolf1074 | info#alasal.be |
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| 15:22.05 | m0nt0 | may be, i've read the zhone source just yesterday and done some mods to make it able to use speech dispatcher, i hope that tonight (GMT+1) i'll make some changes |
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| 15:24.13 | dolf1074 | nice |
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| 15:28.55 | marcmoe | is there a way to use gtk with bash? |
| 15:29.15 | marcmoe | i mean create windows, buttons etc |
| 15:29.35 | mjr | you can do simple dialog stuff with zenity |
| 15:29.35 | jones | i wouldnt think so |
| 15:29.41 | jones | why would you want to |
| 15:29.44 | mjr | I don't think there's anything more elaborate, but might be mistaken |
| 15:29.56 | m0nt0 | maybe with something like xdialog or similar |
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| 15:30.27 | jones | its really simpleto write ui with tcl/tk |
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| 15:31.11 | marcmoe | tcl? |
| 15:31.28 | jones | drop it into google |
| 15:31.45 | marcmoe | don#t like python and i think bash is easyer to learn |
| 15:32.01 | marcmoe | you can get more power, out of a few words |
| 15:32.31 | jones | its not python |
| 15:32.47 | jones | www.tcl.tk |
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| 15:36.59 | marcmoe | and i ll find all necessary libarys in the om 2008.9/8? |
| 15:38.47 | marcmoe | think etk or gtk... |
| 15:39.23 | marcmoe | but there s no python-efl in the repros |
| 15:39.58 | jones | huh, i have no idea my freerunner is doing its first charfe |
| 15:40.01 | jones | charge* |
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| 15:47.14 | marcmoe | ok |
| 15:47.39 | marcmoe | found a great howto, the first wich worked without problems on pc... |
| 15:48.03 | marcmoe | http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial |
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| 15:52.42 | marcmoe | an other question,... is there a way to make bash exec echo? sth. like echo '... ...' >> home.txt |
| 15:53.09 | mjr | say what? |
| 15:53.43 | mjr | exec /bin/echo foo >> home.txt ? |
| 15:53.58 | marcmoe | nice, thx |
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| 15:54.23 | mjr | tcl/tk is an abomination, though, and yeah, I would recommend pygtk for gui scripting |
| 15:54.53 | mjr | (unless the couple of dialogs that you can do with zenity is enough for the gui) |
| 15:54.59 | Rakshasa | I've still to find a tcl/tk application that works for more than five minutes at a time. |
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| 16:02.35 | marcmoe | my freerunner got a problem with it#s touchscreen... i can see that the pressure goes to the lcd |
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| 16:15.00 | bipak_ | when building org.openmoko.dev with the mokomakefile i get this error |
| 16:15.10 | bipak_ | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXtst |
| 16:15.35 | bipak_ | any hint for building the missing lib? |
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| 16:16.58 | bipak_ | hmm.. its not missing. its there... *confused* |
| 16:17.29 | ezekiel-v3 | maybe it's not somewhere that LD_LIBRARY_PATH shows? |
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| 16:18.25 | bipak_ | yes something like that |
| 16:18.48 | bipak_ | but how do I add a library path to the build env |
| 16:20.15 | bipak_ | ./build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libXtst.so |
| 16:20.41 | bipak_ | why doesn't the linker find it |
| 16:20.42 | bipak_ | hmpf |
| 16:21.09 | bipak_ | looks like the regular path for libs |
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| 16:23.26 | ezekiel-v3 | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:./build/tmp/stagin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib somecommand |
| 16:23.58 | ezekiel-v3 | or, "export" the same |
| 16:24.43 | bipak_ | ok *try* |
| 16:24.57 | lindi- | doesn't linker only look at what you have in -L? |
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| 16:27.20 | bipak_ | doesnt work (even with fixing the typo ;) ) |
| 16:27.39 | bipak_ | I'll take the whole command and add an -L flag |
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| 16:33.25 | bipak_ | ok.. now ld says that the lib is incompatible :\ |
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| 16:36.39 | bricode_ | compiles on the Freerunner. |
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| 16:37.42 | bipak_ | oh .. of course its incompatible.. i used the g++ from my host machine... |
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| 16:47.12 | malane | does anyone have experience working with the envedit perl script? |
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| 17:03.03 | mwester | goxboxlive: http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Talk:Monotone_to_Git_ID_mapping <== your name is required here; you have a commit or a patch that was commited in the monotone db? |
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| 17:24.13 | Tliug | mwester: is there some fixes in your image which I can't find in 2008.8-update ? |
| 17:24.21 | Tliug | like, any specific kernel fix? |
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| 17:26.45 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07specs * rbb13c830313d 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ousage: Add generated files for Resource interface |
| 17:26.46 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07specs * rc48a2ed9c764 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 17:26.46 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: otapi: Add fix some parameters in org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM |
| 17:26.46 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Fix the hash map in RetrieveMessage{,book} and SendMessage and add |
| 17:26.47 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: status parameter to RetrieveMessage (thanks quickdev!) |
| 17:26.49 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07specs * r8dbde95f00f6 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 17:26.51 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: otapi: Generate org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.html and fix specs |
| 17:26.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Fix a{av} -> a{sv} |
| 17:26.55 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Comment out methods/signals we're not sure about yet |
| 17:27.27 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9f8067a83324 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: change recamping threshold to trigger earlier |
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| 17:34.49 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03laforge * r4699 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/main.c: cosmetic cleanup (long lines, copyright notice) |
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| 17:37.10 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03laforge * r4700 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/commands.c: fix copy+paste mistake. When we upload, then no download can fail |
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| 17:42.38 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03laforge * r4701 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/sam7dfu.c: |
| 17:42.38 | CIA-22 | openmoko: * add hashmark printing during DFU upload |
| 17:42.38 | CIA-22 | openmoko: * add copyright notice to code copied from sam7dfu project (OpenPCD) |
| 17:44.04 | mickey|tw | smiles |
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| 17:46.23 | CM | Oohh.. :) |
| 17:46.48 | mwester | hmmm.... |
| 17:47.38 | mwester | mickey|tw: python-efl ---- used by frameworkd or just zhone? |
| 17:47.46 | Dave | hmm |
| 17:47.52 | mickey|tw | mwester: zhone only |
| 17:48.18 | mwester | :) Thanks. (no dependencies listed int eh depends.dot file to sort out what depends on X11 and not...) |
| 17:48.27 | mickey|tw | *nod* |
| 17:49.25 | Dave | More Mwester builds! |
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| 17:53.28 | jones | anyone familar with the default OS |
| 17:53.42 | jones | i cannot use the text messaging app |
| 17:54.26 | Nobody96 | what default os? 2007.2 (preinstalled) or 2008.9 (currently supported) |
| 17:54.40 | jones | preinstalled |
| 17:54.51 | Nobody96 | hmm, dont know |
| 17:55.08 | Nobody96 | it had worked, until i switched to 2008.9 |
| 17:55.19 | Nobody96 | now 2008.9 is working ;) |
| 17:55.28 | jones | i'll have to flash later |
| 17:55.33 | jones | got my FR today |
| 17:55.51 | jones | i have a text,but cannot find it to read it in the insane text app view |
| 17:56.23 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * ra4df42ca5023 10/framework/resource.py: resource: If resource is disabled don't suspend or resume |
| 17:57.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03laforge 07stable * r017271c84a1f 10/ (common/cmd_terminal.c common/serial.c include/serial.h): Fix init of non-console serial lines |
| 17:57.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03laforge 07stable * r1746c3657337 10/cpu/arm920t/s3c24x0/serial.c: Enable hardware flow control for GSM/GPS |
| 17:57.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03laforge 07stable * r414367bf5b65 10/drivers/usb/usbdfu.c: u-boot: Fix DFU upload in u-boot |
| 17:57.48 | Tetracomm | So one can easily run shell scripts on the OpenMoko in the OS it comes with? |
| 17:57.54 | Nobody96 | it will stay in the sim and be available after flashing, or at least thats what happend here |
| 17:58.22 | jones | no i understand that, id just like to read it now |
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| 17:59.21 | sicu | just go to phonebook, and find the contact that sent you the msg and u will find it there ... iirc |
| 17:59.55 | jones | seems to be a phantom message then |
| 17:59.57 | Dave | ./configure --mwester |
| 18:01.20 | Dave | sicu: Contacts |
| 18:01.28 | Dave | and yes. |
| 18:02.40 | sicu | =] |
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| 18:09.02 | jones | how do i get /'s |
| 18:10.12 | Dave | With the multitap-pad? |
| 18:10.49 | jones | sorry? |
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| 18:11.08 | Dave | -_- |
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| 18:24.01 | Nobody96 | does anyone know where i could get some shr related infos |
| 18:24.09 | Nobody96 | hmm, stupid question |
| 18:25.27 | Nobody96 | is there a shr irc channel? |
| 18:26.09 | bipak_ | hmm, somebody mentioned SHR and #openmoko-cdevel in one sentence |
| 18:26.26 | bipak_ | can't remember where it was.. maybe you just give it a try |
| 18:26.27 | bipak_ | :) |
| 18:26.35 | Nobody96 | i already tried this chan |
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| 18:26.46 | jones | is flashing uboot required? |
| 18:26.48 | bipak_ | :( |
| 18:26.54 | Nobody96 | maybe i have to wait a bit longer :) |
| 18:26.56 | bipak_ | jones: for what |
| 18:27.06 | bipak_ | Nobody96: checked the wiki? |
| 18:27.13 | jones | updaating from 2007 -> 2008.9 |
| 18:27.14 | Nobody96 | jupp |
| 18:27.23 | Nobody96 | jones, no, it isnt |
| 18:27.37 | jones | is it recomended? |
| 18:27.42 | Nobody96 | you only need to flash a new kernel and a new rootfs |
| 18:27.48 | Nobody96 | not even recomended |
| 18:27.59 | jones | thats good to hear |
| 18:28.21 | bipak_ | *ack* |
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| 18:57.26 | malane | i need an idea of some project to do |
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| 19:28.00 | LionKMP | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lc |
| 19:28.13 | LionKMP | hi, I get that when building OE. 2008.9. |
| 19:28.17 | LionKMP | any ideas? |
| 19:28.46 | LionKMP | I tried yesterday's OE tree too (devel or unstable or how that is called), that fails with the same. |
| 19:30.30 | Azalyn | woah... |
| 19:30.36 | Azalyn | did you guys hear about symbian? |
| 19:30.42 | Azalyn | It's going open. |
| 19:30.45 | LionKMP | yep |
| 19:30.46 | LionKMP | cool |
| 19:31.00 | Azalyn | that has to be a response to google android. |
| 19:33.08 | mickey|tw|zzZZzz | install glibc-static-devel |
| 19:33.09 | mickey|tw|zzZZzz | g'night |
| 19:33.52 | LionKMP | shouldn't OE install it? or on HOST? |
| 19:34.29 | LionKMP | ok, I install on host and try :) |
| 19:35.45 | LionKMP | wow, it goes on! :) thanks! |
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| 19:57.17 | dolf1074 | hey, does somebody know what the best method is for getting screen position on a click? I tried with libsdl, but it's giving the wrong position |
| 19:57.33 | dolf1074 | when it's rotated or I changed my screen resolution |
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| 19:59.36 | lpotter | tslib? |
| 20:00.20 | dolf1074 | and where can you find examples of it? |
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| 20:01.33 | dolf1074 | does that work on the om 2008.9? |
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| 20:02.27 | lpotter | youwould have to look at the tslob sources |
| 20:02.32 | lpotter | tslib, that is |
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| 20:05.01 | dolf1074 | LionKMP: don't expect gnuboy tonight. The screen gives me wrong positions :( |
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| 20:05.21 | LionKMP | :( |
| 20:05.36 | LionKMP | How do you plan to handle input? AFAIK GameBoy has some buttons. |
| 20:06.21 | dolf1074 | The gnuboy can't be in fullscreen. Because our nice glamo card is to slow, therefor we have a border around the games, where I can put buttons |
| 20:06.42 | LionKMP | ah, cool! |
| 20:06.49 | LionKMP | This one would rock: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Digital_gaming :) |
| 20:07.16 | dolf1074 | yeah, that would rock. But first get the gnuboy working :p |
| 20:07.23 | LionKMP | you also need to switch to smaller resolution? |
| 20:07.26 | dolf1074 | yes |
| 20:07.38 | dolf1074 | 320x240 |
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| 20:07.56 | LionKMP | hm, ok, I don't know the speed of the original gameboy, so I don't know what it takes to emulate. :) |
| 20:08.15 | LionKMP | but that idea about buttons on the empty area is great |
| 20:08.46 | dolf1074 | CPU: Custom 8-bit Sharp LR35902[36] (Z80-clone) core at 4.19 MHz which is similar to an Intel 8080 in that all of the registers introduced in the Z80 are not present. However, some of the Z80's instruction set enhancements over the stock 8080, particularly bit manipulation, are present. Still other instructions are unique to this particular flavor of Z80 CPU. The core also contains integrated soun |
| 20:08.48 | dolf1074 | d generation |
| 20:09.33 | dolf1074 | And our 300mhz cpu can't upscale it to a higher resolution :p (Something is really broke on the freerunner :( ) |
| 20:09.48 | LionKMP | 400 MHz, isn't it? |
| 20:10.05 | dolf1074 | ow, yes, I mean 400 |
| 20:10.21 | LionKMP | what about scrolling the screen? I guess it had some hardware support for that too, isn't it? |
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| 20:10.38 | dolf1074 | what do you mean by scrolling? |
| 20:10.58 | LionKMP | moving the screen left, for example in a super mario like gam |
| 20:10.58 | LionKMP | e |
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| 20:11.23 | Nobody96 | dolf1074, dont blame the freerunner for being not hardwaer compliant to an gameboy := |
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| 20:11.31 | Nobody96 | s/=/)/ |
| 20:11.48 | Nobody96 | ok, thats impressive |
| 20:11.53 | dolf1074 | I don't blame the freerunner |
| 20:11.55 | Nobody96 | thx apt |
| 20:12.15 | Nobody96 | but indeed strange |
| 20:12.22 | Nobody96 | is the glamo really this bad ? |
| 20:12.26 | dolf1074 | I just say that if the glamo would work, it could be upscaled |
| 20:12.27 | kd8ikt | hardware* |
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| 20:12.55 | dolf1074 | Nobody96: yes. Normally the glamo should help the cpu by doing the graphics, but now it's just blocking the cpu and wast cycles of the cpu |
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| 20:13.10 | sicu | the glamo isn't bad ... it sucks |
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| 20:13.17 | dolf1074 | But there were patches that reduces that by 20%, I've read some time ago |
| 20:13.25 | Nobody96 | ui... is this a driver issue or another hardware bug? |
| 20:13.34 | dolf1074 | driver |
| 20:13.52 | LionKMP | something also with the hardware, being connected to a slow bus, isn't it? |
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| 20:14.18 | dolf1074 | The glamo is in nda and only openmoko can make a driver. And It would cost to many developers to begin with it. |
| 20:14.31 | dolf1074 | LionKMP: yes, there is also a problem with the slow bus |
| 20:15.03 | Nobody96 | ok, another nda issue |
| 20:15.12 | Nobody96 | like the one with the gms chipset |
| 20:15.26 | dolf1074 | the gsm chipset is nda by governement |
| 20:15.50 | Nobody96 | ok, to hell with them too :) |
| 20:15.53 | dolf1074 | because the governement doens't like you playing with different signals and block other signals |
| 20:15.55 | Nobody96 | nevermind |
| 20:15.55 | LionKMP | I don't care about binary-blob firmwares (this was the topic of the latest developer newsletter). |
| 20:17.00 | Nobody96 | lets hope that the om crew will fix the glamo and the gsm issues soon |
| 20:17.08 | dolf1074 | I prefer opensource, because then people can change issues and we don't have to wait on a company (like samsung) for providing us drivers |
| 20:17.26 | Nobody96 | actually everyone im calling is hoping they fix the gsm issues soon |
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| 20:18.04 | dolf1074 | Nobody96: the glamo isn't high priority for openmoko, because they need to many developers for getting it into a usable state |
| 20:18.22 | dolf1074 | They are working on the gsm issues |
| 20:18.31 | LionKMP | is it gone in GTA03? |
| 20:18.35 | Nobody96 | ok |
| 20:18.51 | dolf1074 | the glamo is removed in the GTA03 |
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| 20:19.06 | LionKMP | hehe, another reason to spend time on it. |
| 20:19.11 | LionKMP | to NOT spend |
| 20:19.14 | LionKMP | s/// |
| 20:19.18 | Nobody96 | *grumml* and i will have to buy another *runner |
| 20:19.40 | dolf1074 | Nobody96: don't expect the gta03 within a year |
| 20:19.41 | LionKMP | do you have an 1973 also? |
| 20:19.46 | Nobody96 | by * i ment free and successor and nothing that would be censored |
| 20:20.19 | LionKMP | within? 1 year? from TODAY? Some people says it comes for xmas. Complete mistake? |
| 20:20.38 | Nobody96 | nope, im just a student (= totaly no money) and hoped that the 1973 would be enough to find this issues |
| 20:20.50 | dolf1074 | from everyting I have read, they only have 1 development board on openmoko |
| 20:21.01 | dolf1074 | so it will not be complete before xmas |
| 20:22.52 | dolf1074 | for the freerunner, it took already 2 à3 months to get it into production. So If they haven't an production candidate right now, they will not sell gta03 on xmas |
| 20:23.03 | SpeedEvil | >> 3 months |
| 20:23.17 | dolf1074 | SpeedEvil: wanted to be an optimist :p |
| 20:23.45 | Wonka | not if they didn't work out some unnecessarily time-consuming issues in getting stuff into production |
| 20:24.08 | dolf1074 | and sell broken phones? |
| 20:26.44 | Nobody96 | hopefully they let the freerunner become stable |
| 20:27.01 | Nobody96 | and than go on to test the freerunner sws on gta03 |
| 20:27.36 | Wonka | i want that 3G SIM problem fixed |
| 20:27.52 | Nobody96 | this way, i belief, errors like the happend with the gsm chipset are narrowed out a bit faster |
| 20:27.54 | dolf1074 | I hope also they focus on the freerunner for a very long while |
| 20:28.02 | Nobody96 | Wonka, what 3G sim problem? |
| 20:28.11 | Nobody96 | problems with your simcard? |
| 20:29.02 | Nobody96 | if you have one of the gemplus cards (the ones with the round chip) then it is a card based issue |
| 20:29.08 | Wonka | Nobody96: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards |
| 20:29.25 | Wonka | Nobody96: the card works in other GSM handsets |
| 20:29.53 | Nobody96 | jepp, but not everyone |
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| 20:30.01 | Nobody96 | we had the same problem here |
| 20:30.06 | LionKMP | wow http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/10/openmoko-compiling-on-your-om-20089.html :-) |
| 20:30.07 | Nobody96 | a o2 card |
| 20:30.21 | Wonka | and? |
| 20:30.30 | Nobody96 | the problem also occurs in phones like the xda, which is sold by o2 |
| 20:30.38 | Wonka | mine is the nice big one on the bottom on the page |
| 20:30.39 | Nobody96 | therefore it was replaced |
| 20:31.02 | dolf1074 | LionKMP: something I promised for writing about |
| 20:31.02 | Wonka | ok, so i should go and have them replace it? |
| 20:31.03 | Nobody96 | my friend had exactly the same |
| 20:31.24 | Wonka | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:O2-sim-nonworking-tesa.jpg |
| 20:31.44 | techiem2-r | I was fortunate enough to get a freerunner-happy sim |
| 20:32.20 | LionKMP | dolf1074: yep, great. I'll install those right now. :-) (I could not figure out, I even deleted my test hello.c yesterday, giving up ;-) ) |
| 20:32.46 | LionKMP | s/fortunate/unfortunate/ |
| 20:32.55 | LionKMP | hehe, does not work this way :D |
| 20:33.17 | dolf1074 | LionKMP: what? |
| 20:33.29 | LionKMP | I sent that s/// to techiem2-r's comment. |
| 20:33.48 | LionKMP | but the bot did not replace. |
| 20:33.56 | LionKMP | s/bot/this bot/ |
| 20:34.07 | dolf1074 | ah ok |
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| 20:37.06 | LionKMP | hm, opkg didn't accept multiple names for me earlier |
| 20:38.14 | dolf1074 | for me it's working. What distro do you use? |
| 20:38.50 | Nobody96 | ok, back to irc: there is no 3G sim card problem |
| 20:38.51 | LionKMP | it IS working now (om 2008.9), but it did not work earlier (maybe I forgot "install" when I tried and then considered it as "not supported" :-D |
| 20:38.53 | Nobody96 | there is a gemplus sim card problem |
| 20:39.00 | Nobody96 | and not only the freerunner is affected |
| 20:39.14 | Nobody96 | also other 2.5g smarphones like the o2 xda |
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| 20:39.37 | dolf1074 | LionKMP: that is a common mistake ;) I sometimes try to do apt-get install or sudo opkg install |
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| 20:40.03 | LionKMP | dolf1074: hehe, ok, I made an alias to allow "urpmi" too :-) |
| 20:40.11 | LionKMP | is mandriva guy |
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| 20:44.18 | LionKMP | ~# ./a.out |
| 20:44.19 | LionKMP | hello world |
| 20:44.25 | LionKMP | dolf1074: thanks! ^^ :-) |
| 20:44.34 | dolf1074 | np ;) |
| 20:45.42 | techiem2-r | lol LionKMP |
| 20:45.42 | Weiss | cannot help but notice that "opkg upgrade --noaction" does not in fact do nothing as expected |
| 20:47.01 | Wonka | opkg --test upgrade |
| 20:47.12 | Wonka | that one does more |
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| 21:25.26 | Weiss | what's the difference between "testing" and "unstable"? (i.e. where do both live in git?) |
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| 21:27.20 | Weiss | if i install a 'testing' image from http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/, will i be getting daily updates via the feeds corresponding to the tip of org.openmoko.dev? if so, what's "unstable" for? |
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| 21:30.55 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4702 10/developers/werner/wep/ (8 files in 2 dirs): WEP keyphrase hash. |
| 21:31.59 | marcmoe | how to ssh from the default eeepc xandros to the freerunner? |
| 21:32.52 | Nobody96 | marcmoe, has the eee an working terminal installed? |
| 21:33.00 | marcmoe | yes |
| 21:33.13 | Nobody96 | ok here we go :) |
| 21:33.17 | Nobody96 | ssh installed? |
| 21:33.24 | marcmoe | dropbear |
| 21:33.57 | Nobody96 | the freerunner is recognized? |
| 21:34.19 | marcmoe | i was able to flash it |
| 21:34.23 | Nobody96 | speeking: dmesg show some gadget things? |
| 21:34.25 | Nobody96 | mom |
| 21:35.21 | Nobody96 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.23 | Nobody96 | ... |
| 21:35.35 | marcmoe | mom |
| 21:37.13 | marcmoe | got it |
| 21:37.37 | Nobody96 | ok than ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.something |
| 21:37.45 | marcmoe | 202 |
| 21:37.46 | Nobody96 | and ssh to 192.168.0.200 |
| 21:38.02 | marcmoe | mmm |
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| 21:44.44 | LionKMP | I got another OE build error, any ideas: http://www.pastebin.ca/1222147 |
| 21:45.42 | LionKMP | nevermind, I restarted and it's going on |
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| 21:48.18 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4703 10/developers/werner/wep/ (tests/foobar wep.c wepkey.c): Added generation of 128-bit keys with index > 0. |
| 21:49.46 | marcmoe | was not workin ^^ |
| 21:52.31 | marcmoe | connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host |
| 21:52.50 | viq | marcmoe: what addresses you have on your LAN? |
| 21:54.22 | marcmoe | how can i find out? |
| 21:54.51 | viq | ifconfig |
| 21:55.32 | viq | If you have same class of addresses on your normal interface and on the usb interface, I wouldn't expect things to work well |
| 21:55.35 | marcmoe | hmm |
| 21:55.54 | marcmoe | i don t have ifconfog |
| 21:56.01 | marcmoe | ifconfig... |
| 21:56.17 | techiem2-r | are you root? |
| 21:56.56 | marcmoe | noo... |
| 21:56.58 | marcmoe | ok |
| 21:57.06 | techiem2-r | yeah, users can't use ifconfig |
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| 21:57.07 | techiem2-r | :) |
| 21:57.18 | techiem2-r | erm.... |
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| 21:57.58 | marcmoe | usb inet addr:192.168.0.200 |
| 21:58.12 | techiem2-r | mmk |
| 21:58.25 | techiem2-r | what about eth0 or whatever your main is? |
| 21:58.41 | marcmoe | and wifi inet addr:192.168.1.36 Bcast:192.168.1.255 |
| 21:58.52 | techiem2-r | mmk |
| 21:59.22 | marcmoe | so what? |
| 21:59.46 | viq | techiem2-r: they can, they just don't have it in path |
| 21:59.57 | techiem2-r | ah |
| 22:00.00 | techiem2-r | never tried that |
| 22:00.01 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 22:00.14 | techiem2-r | so you should be able to ssh to 192.168.0.202 |
| 22:00.14 | viq | Whcih I find _highly_ annoying |
| 22:00.38 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 22:00.43 | techiem2-r | can they change things though? |
| 22:00.49 | viq | Of course not. |
| 22:00.53 | techiem2-r | ok |
| 22:01.09 | marcmoe | hmm |
| 22:01.42 | marcmoe | ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host |
| 22:01.47 | techiem2-r | hmm |
| 22:01.56 | viq | marcmoe: try ping? |
| 22:02.18 | marcmoe | yes... |
| 22:02.21 | marcmoe | nothing |
| 22:02.39 | techiem2-r | hrm |
| 22:02.41 | viq | firewall? |
| 22:02.47 | viq | iptables -L |
| 22:02.52 | marcmoe | PING 192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 22:02.53 | marcmoe | From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 22:02.53 | marcmoe | From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 22:03.04 | marcmoe | i don t have iptables |
| 22:03.33 | viq | You don't, or you don't have it in your path? |
| 22:03.39 | marcmoe | FATAL: Module ip_tables not found. |
| 22:03.39 | marcmoe | iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) |
| 22:03.40 | marcmoe | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 22:04.00 | marcmoe | as sudo |
| 22:04.16 | viq | mhmm |
| 22:04.19 | techiem2-r | can you ssh from the freerunner to the other comp? |
| 22:04.23 | techiem2-r | or at least ping it |
| 22:04.30 | marcmoe | good question |
| 22:04.42 | techiem2-r | make sure the usb net is really working |
| 22:06.28 | Dave | I see Wonkas. |
| 22:07.11 | marcmoe | it s pending |
| 22:07.44 | marcmoe | to 192.168.0.255 |
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| 22:11.20 | marcmoe | i found a /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 22:12.31 | marcmoe | # Uncomment the next line to enable packet forwarding for IPv4 |
| 22:12.31 | marcmoe | #net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 |
| 22:12.31 | marcmoe | # Uncomment the next line to enable packet forwarding for IPv6 |
| 22:12.31 | marcmoe | #net.ipv6.conf.default.forwarding=1 |
| 22:12.50 | marcmoe | maybe? |
| 22:13.09 | techiem2-r | shouldn't...that would be for routing |
| 22:14.52 | Dave | Ken :) |
| 22:15.05 | KenYoung | Hi Dave! |
| 22:15.51 | Dave | What's new, Ken? |
| 22:16.32 | KenYoung | Nothing I know of - are you cooking something up for your Moko? |
| 22:17.12 | *** join/#openmoko valos[fr] (n=valos@mar92-6-82-227-150-198.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 22:17.17 | marcmoe | so /etc/networks? default 0.0.0.0 |
| 22:17.17 | marcmoe | loopback 127.0.0.0 |
| 22:17.17 | marcmoe | link-local 169.254.0.0 |
| 22:17.32 | marcmoe | may i ad usb0 |
| 22:17.44 | techiem2-r | is usb0 up when you ifconfig? |
| 22:18.13 | marcmoe | yes |
| 22:18.17 | techiem2-r | mmk |
| 22:18.26 | techiem2-r | so...usb0 up on freerunner as 192.168.0.202 |
| 22:18.35 | techiem2-r | and usb0 up on other comp as 192.168.0.200 |
| 22:18.39 | techiem2-r | right? |
| 22:19.03 | marcmoe | RX packets:27 errors:64216 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 |
| 22:19.04 | marcmoe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.37 | marcmoe | don t know |
| 22:19.48 | techiem2-r | check the other comp and make sure usb0 is up on it |
| 22:20.10 | marcmoe | usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 9A:99:92:BD:1A:34 |
| 22:20.10 | marcmoe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.17 | techiem2-r | mmk |
| 22:20.29 | *** join/#openmoko Tanuva (n=tanuva@e177237214.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 22:20.56 | techiem2-r | then it SHOULD be working...but obviously something's not quite right... |
| 22:21.04 | marcmoe | its up as 190.168.0.200 right? |
| 22:21.10 | techiem2-r | yeah |
| 22:21.18 | techiem2-r | ^inet addr: 192.168.0.200 |
| 22:21.31 | techiem2-r | hmm |
| 22:21.36 | techiem2-r | can that comp ping itself? |
| 22:21.44 | techiem2-r | on 192.168.0.200? |
| 22:21.45 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 22:22.58 | marcmoe | got my freerunner usb0 bcast:192.168.0.255 |
| 22:23.14 | techiem2-r | that's normal |
| 22:23.33 | marcmoe | inet addr 192.168.0.202 |
| 22:24.07 | techiem2-r | yeah |
| 22:24.22 | marcmoe | what can i do? |
| 22:24.22 | techiem2-r | can your main box ping itself on 192.168.0.200? |
| 22:24.51 | techiem2-r | ping 192.168.0.200 from that box |
| 22:24.56 | techiem2-r | see if it works |
| 22:24.56 | marcmoe | yes works nice |
| 22:25.01 | techiem2-r | mmk |
| 22:25.05 | techiem2-r | so it's talking to itself anyway |
| 22:25.13 | marcmoe | PING 192.168.0.200 (192.168.0.200) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 22:25.14 | marcmoe | 64 bytes from 192.168.0.200: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.051 ms |
| 22:25.14 | marcmoe | 64 bytes from 192.168.0.200: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.034 ms |
| 22:25.17 | techiem2-r | mmk |
| 22:25.27 | techiem2-r | but pinging 192.168.0.202 doesn't work? |
| 22:25.51 | balrog-kun | http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w149/cutlass436/cellbook.jpg |
| 22:26.23 | marcmoe | could it be because of a router? |
| 22:26.31 | marcmoe | wifi |
| 22:26.56 | techiem2-r | it shouldn't since your wifi is on a different subnet |
| 22:27.16 | techiem2-r | you could always try downing hte wifi and trying then just in case |
| 22:27.26 | techiem2-r | but I've never had a prob with it. |
| 22:27.32 | marcmoe | ok |
| 22:27.43 | marcmoe | a config? |
| 22:28.00 | techiem2-r | ifconfig down eth0 or wlan0 or whatever your wifi is |
| 22:28.07 | *** join/#openmoko Demitar (n=demitar@83.209.99.56) |
| 22:28.26 | techiem2-r | headin home...bbiab |
| 22:28.28 | marcmoe | ok |
| 22:28.31 | marcmoe | but |
| 22:28.41 | marcmoe | i mean... where is the fault |
| 22:28.43 | marcmoe | a config |
| 22:28.54 | marcmoe | or do i miss kernel suport? |
| 22:30.02 | Nobody96 | if you have multiple devices with the same subnet up, the routes got messed up |
| 22:30.17 | Nobody96 | so check if there is no other 192.168.0.* dev up |
| 22:31.23 | marcmoe | there is none |
| 22:32.15 | marcmoe | i could try to ad usb0 to my istate |
| 22:32.19 | marcmoe | 0=lan1 |
| 22:32.20 | marcmoe | ath0=lan2 |
| 22:34.42 | marcmoe | sudo ifup usb0 |
| 22:34.42 | marcmoe | Ignoring unknown interface usb0=usb0. |
| 22:35.54 | jones | someone should have kicked me into flashing straight away 2008.9 is amazing |
| 22:36.12 | jones | apart from it suspending while sending a text |
| 22:36.59 | jones | wheres the delete key |
| 22:38.42 | marcmoe | hmm could there be a fault in my /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:40.51 | *** join/#openmoko Tetracomm (n=nicholas@72.252.29.2) |
| 22:41.48 | marcmoe | i now added a few lines to my interfaces |
| 22:41.57 | marcmoe | auto usb0 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 |
| 22:42.06 | marcmoe | ifup |
| 22:42.34 | Dave | apt summon mwester |
| 22:42.53 | Wonka | apt-get panic |
| 22:43.05 | Dave | D: |
| 22:43.25 | techiem2-r | hmm |
| 22:43.44 | jones | apt-get purge deamons |
| 22:43.57 | jones | what would it mean if i cant get any life out of my FR |
| 22:44.10 | Wonka | apt-get install penguin_ beastie+ |
| 22:44.41 | Dave | :p |
| 22:45.05 | marcmoe | it just takes time ... i'm not able to ssh |
| 22:45.30 | Wonka | works in under a second here |
| 22:45.47 | *** join/#openmoko mazzen (n=mortel@u30-237.dsl.vianetworks.de) |
| 22:46.32 | jones | yeah, i cant get it to come back on |
| 22:47.49 | marcmoe | my interfaces list makes me crazy |
| 22:48.05 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 22:48.07 | techiem2-r | mmk |
| 22:48.14 | techiem2-r | I'll get my laptop fired up and see what I did there... |
| 22:48.15 | marcmoe | auto lo |
| 22:48.15 | marcmoe | iface lo inet loopback |
| 22:48.15 | marcmoe | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 22:48.15 | marcmoe | iface lan1 inet manual |
| 22:48.15 | marcmoe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.15 | marcmoe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.17 | marcmoe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.19 | marcmoe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.32 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 22:48.41 | marcmoe | nice |
| 22:49.00 | marcmoe | think auto lo ,,, |
| 22:50.33 | techiem2-r | ok |
| 22:50.37 | techiem2-r | on mine |
| 22:50.41 | techiem2-r | turn on fr |
| 22:50.45 | techiem2-r | plug into laptop |
| 22:51.07 | marcmoe | .. |
| 22:51.07 | jones | yeah i got it |
| 22:51.15 | jones | i gave it a stern look |
| 22:51.15 | techiem2-r | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 22:51.25 | marcmoe | sudo ifup usb0 |
| 22:51.25 | marcmoe | Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.4 |
| 22:51.25 | marcmoe | Copyright 2004-2006 Internet Systems Consortium. |
| 22:51.25 | marcmoe | All rights reserved. |
| 22:51.25 | marcmoe | For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/ |
| 22:51.25 | marcmoe | Setting lan2 interface ath0 metric to 10 |
| 22:51.27 | marcmoe | Listening on LPF/usb0/9a:99:92:bd:1a:34 |
| 22:51.29 | marcmoe | Sending on LPF/usb0/9a:99:92:bd:1a:34 |
| 22:51.31 | marcmoe | Sending on Socket/fallback |
| 22:51.33 | marcmoe | DHCPDISCOVER on usb0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6 |
| 22:51.33 | jones | are there any wifi tools that can handle wpa enterprise networks |
| 22:51.34 | techiem2-r | sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 22:51.35 | marcmoe | DHCPDISCOVER on usb0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 11 |
| 22:51.37 | marcmoe | DHCPDISCOVER on usb0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 11 |
| 22:51.39 | jones | for om2008 |
| 22:51.41 | techiem2-r | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 22:52.01 | Wonka | https://chaos.in-kiel.de/~w/openmoko/interfaces |
| 22:52.08 | Wonka | works fine here |
| 22:52.22 | techiem2-r | of course the top stuff isn't really needed unless you want to access inet from freerunner across the usb |
| 22:52.30 | marcmoe | No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 22:52.31 | marcmoe | No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. |
| 22:52.31 | marcmoe | Setting lan2 interface ath0 metric to 10 |
| 22:52.36 | marcmoe | muahahaa |
| 22:54.03 | Wonka | hoi ixs |
| 22:54.14 | ixs | nahmd |
| 22:56.04 | *** join/#openmoko raster (n=raster@124-170-117-193.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 22:58.03 | Dave | Wonka, you tried the lastest? |
| 22:58.58 | *** part/#openmoko gargoyle-grin (n=randerso@gentoo/contributor/gargoyle-grin) |
| 22:59.02 | Wonka | nak. played with my debian, waiting for e17 and illume. |
| 22:59.10 | Dave | Ah |
| 22:59.11 | Wonka | keeping my 2008.4 |
| 22:59.13 | Dave | wise man :) |
| 22:59.15 | Dave | heh |
| 22:59.18 | Wonka | because that works mostly |
| 22:59.22 | Dave | mostly |
| 22:59.38 | jones | is there a guide for people who cannor understadn the messaging app |
| 22:59.48 | Wonka | don't have a working sim for it atm |
| 22:59.53 | Dave | aww |
| 23:00.02 | Wonka | so i just use gps, for OSM |
| 23:00.06 | jones | cannot* |
| 23:00.16 | Wonka | and that one works with 2008.4 and also with debian |
| 23:01.10 | slaxxin | wonka did u say that your sim worked on 2007.2? |
| 23:01.16 | Wonka | nope |
| 23:01.20 | Wonka | gemalto sim |
| 23:01.30 | slaxxin | i saw the pic |
| 23:01.43 | Wonka | i have a sim that works, but that one is an ooold prepaid sim |
| 23:01.50 | slaxxin | go get 1 |
| 23:02.03 | Wonka | i will try to get my o2 sim replaced |
| 23:02.12 | Wonka | with a non-gemalto one |
| 23:02.23 | slaxxin | not AT&T i guess |
| 23:02.28 | Wonka | O2 Germany |
| 23:02.41 | jones | o2 uk works fine |
| 23:02.44 | Wonka | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:O2-sim-nonworking-tesa.jpg |
| 23:02.48 | Wonka | that one |
| 23:02.58 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.30 | Wonka | you can even see the strip of tesa film on that sim |
| 23:03.37 | Wonka | no shorts there |
| 23:04.16 | Wonka | Nobody96 pointed me to pages where they say gemplus sims also don't work in some XDAs |
| 23:04.23 | Wonka | known SIM problem |
| 23:05.06 | *** join/#openmoko pmw (n=pmw@ppp-70-244-160-34.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 23:05.35 | Dave | many problems, there are |
| 23:07.20 | *** part/#openmoko uhsf (n=uhsf@modemcable009.150-57-74.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 23:08.57 | *** join/#openmoko batti (n=batti@p5B14972B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:09.41 | *** join/#openmoko j_ack (n=rudi@77.181.202.139) |
| 23:12.00 | *** join/#openmoko workingnorm (n=workingn@186-212-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 23:12.08 | slaxxin | depends on the holder i think |
| 23:12.49 | Wonka | the holder is _not_ the problem here. the contacts are masked with tape. |
| 23:14.39 | ronny | :q |
| 23:14.56 | Wonka | this is IRC, not vi |
| 23:15.09 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 23:15.39 | KenYoung | fj87brth8yrtg - ooops, I thought this was Teco |
| 23:16.07 | slaxxin | would that be conductive or non conductive tesa tape? |
| 23:16.13 | *** join/#openmoko timur (n=timur@c-71-227-89-146.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 23:16.23 | *** join/#openmoko penguina1or (n=penguina@winchester.res.wpi.net) |
| 23:16.30 | Wonka | nonconductive, of course |
| 23:16.42 | Wonka | the sim works in my S65 with the tape |
| 23:16.51 | slaxxin | oo |
| 23:17.05 | Wonka | (also without the tape) |
| 23:17.21 | timur | hey guys, any reason pinging google.com would take 230 ms and ping from a computer on the same network about 80 ms? |
| 23:17.29 | Dave | 2000:P |
| 23:18.02 | SpeedEvil | timur: how conntect? |
| 23:18.11 | SpeedEvil | timur: from the FR? |
| 23:18.13 | techiem2-r | cabling? wifi? random gremlins? |
| 23:18.28 | timur | SpeedEvil, yea. i sshed to FR and setup wireless on it and then ran ping |
| 23:18.43 | Wonka | gremlins? don't feed them now, it's 01:18 here |
| 23:18.48 | Wonka | after midnight |
| 23:18.49 | SpeedEvil | pinging the gateway machine takes 80ms? |
| 23:19.01 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: that's not very speedy |
| 23:19.08 | SpeedEvil | No, it's not. |
| 23:19.10 | SpeedEvil | 00:19 here. |
| 23:19.20 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: but still after midnight |
| 23:19.47 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.01 | *** join/#openmoko Gast_304_ (n=Gast_304@dslb-088-068-113-094.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:20.03 | Gast_304_ | Bitte spendet mir was, hab grad erst neu angefangen. Brauche jeden Cent um mir ein Bier zu holen!!! http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/7842526/ |
| 23:20.06 | *** part/#openmoko Gast_304_ (n=Gast_304@dslb-088-068-113-094.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:20.24 | timur | SpeedEvil, no, pinging google.com does. pinging the router takes 80ms, which also seems longer than it should be |
| 23:20.28 | jones | is it just me or is the text app missing a send button |
| 23:20.34 | techiem2-r | there's about 75-100ms diff here too between pinging from desktop wired machine or from fr over wifi |
| 23:20.56 | *** join/#openmoko rooly|away (n=chris@130.70.12.105) |
| 23:21.00 | jones | it is just me |
| 23:21.06 | SpeedEvil | techiem2-r: that seems a bit long. |
| 23:21.16 | Wonka | ok, wifi may take longer... no idea about how long atm |
| 23:21.18 | *** join/#openmoko emonkey (n=emonkey@static-pro-212-101-27-121.adsl.solnet.ch) |
| 23:21.20 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 23:21.24 | Wonka | depends on the ap, too |
| 23:21.32 | *** join/#openmoko azmodie (n=azmodie@62.72.34.48) |
| 23:21.43 | techiem2-r | 2 pings: 116/143 from fr, 51/86 from desktop |
| 23:21.44 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 23:21.50 | timur | hmm anyone has any idea why FR wifi has high latency? |
| 23:22.04 | Wonka | decix is several 100km and about 53ms from here |
| 23:22.18 | *** part/#openmoko rooly|away (n=chris@130.70.12.105) |
| 23:22.29 | Wonka | biggest internet exchange in europe |
| 23:23.25 | azmodie | waves |
| 23:23.51 | techiem2-r | waves azmodie |
| 23:23.58 | timur | also, what repos should I be using to get python on the FR? they seemed to have moved to downloads.openmoko.org and there are a few repos there. i wasn't sure which would be best to use |
| 23:24.17 | timur | i tried testing but that one didn't seem to have a "python" package... |
| 23:24.34 | valos[fr] | Wonka: is your O2 sim working if you deactivate the PIN code |
| 23:24.38 | Wonka | valos[fr]: no |
| 23:25.09 | azmodie | valos[fr]: i'm using tesco mobile. which is O2. not had any problems. |
| 23:25.32 | Wonka | gemplus sims seem to be a general problem... |
| 23:25.50 | *** join/#openmoko workingnorm1 (n=workingn@186-212-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 23:25.57 | jones | im using O2 no problems |
| 23:26.18 | Wonka | jones: gemplus sim? or some other? |
| 23:27.02 | jones | 02 sim |
| 23:27.25 | Wonka | gemplus is the manufacturer of the sim card |
| 23:27.32 | Wonka | or not, maybe |
| 23:27.37 | jones | how would i check that |
| 23:27.39 | marcmoe | i got it |
| 23:27.41 | *** join/#openmoko Sonicadvance1 (n=Sonic@24-116-252-18.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 23:27.50 | marcmoe | no it s workin |
| 23:28.12 | Wonka | they are recognizable by the design of the contact area |
| 23:28.33 | ljp | someone needs to add telepathy things to OM |
| 23:28.48 | jones | yep |
| 23:28.51 | Wonka | could you take a photo and post it under http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards#Working_SIM_pics |
| 23:28.53 | techiem2-r | mmm |
| 23:29.05 | jones | how do i launch a term on 2008 |
| 23:29.06 | Wonka | there are gemplus sims too... |
| 23:29.33 | techiem2-r | I noticed that the qtopia stack on 2008.8/9 has a sip component (if you install it), but the configurator thing won't launch for me |
| 23:30.05 | techiem2-r | I think you have to install one first on 2008...I don't recall it having one installed by default |
| 23:30.24 | jones | if i leave my moko plugged in over night, will it kill the battery or is it smart enough to stop charging |
| 23:30.45 | Wonka | it is smart enough |
| 23:31.08 | azmodie | jones: you need to install the terminal app. cant remember package name. can look if you need. |
| 23:31.12 | Wonka | my debian even changes the power button led from orange to blue on full battery |
| 23:31.19 | techiem2-r | openmoko-terminal I think |
| 23:31.21 | SpeedEvil | Stopping charging isn't unfortunately the problem usually. |
| 23:31.23 | techiem2-r | or terminal2...whichever |
| 23:31.24 | lindi- | Wonka: that's fso-frameworkd that does it |
| 23:31.24 | SpeedEvil | It's starting. |
| 23:31.25 | techiem2-r | or xterm |
| 23:31.29 | Wonka | lindi-: ack |
| 23:31.33 | marcmoe | openmoko-terminal2 |
| 23:32.04 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: second battery and external charger would be cool |
| 23:32.18 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 23:32.21 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: and possibility to change battery while powered via usb |
| 23:32.36 | ljp | solar panel too |
| 23:32.40 | jones | thats good to hear |
| 23:32.42 | techiem2-r | and car adapter |
| 23:32.52 | jones | can i transfer packages over usb networking? |
| 23:32.56 | SpeedEvil | And burger-fuel-cell. |
| 23:33.00 | ljp | and tv transmitter |
| 23:33.06 | jones | i need packages to connect to my unis stupid wifi |
| 23:33.23 | techiem2-r | you can if you setup the host comp for forwarding and setup the dns, etc. right on the fr |
| 23:33.23 | Wonka | jones: what packages? |
| 23:33.41 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: icanhascheezburger? |
| 23:33.48 | jones | i need a wireless tool that can handle wpa enterprise networks |
| 23:33.53 | azmodie | i think my xfce reselution under debian is too big. openmoko panal only displaying about eighth of an inch on the screen |
| 23:34.05 | techiem2-r | o.O |
| 23:34.10 | jones | or to right a wpa_supplicant i need a term and vi |
| 23:34.24 | jones | write* |
| 23:34.28 | Wonka | jones: i have wpa2-psk running |
| 23:34.38 | jones | its not psk |
| 23:34.56 | Wonka | jones: mh. enterprise was the stuff with certificates? |
| 23:35.02 | jones | is 802.11x network using tkip and PEAP |
| 23:35.04 | jones | yeah |
| 23:35.20 | techiem2-r | eww |
| 23:35.24 | azmodie | jones: this info might help connecting to uni network http://www.thelinuxsociety.org.uk/content/how-to-connect-your-linux-laptop-to-the-university-of-abertay-dundee-wi-fi-network-airconnec |
| 23:35.32 | jones | ive tried to write them before, but i cant convince it to connect, network manager can do them |
| 23:35.42 | *** join/#openmoko jones_ (i=jones@svalbard.freeshell.org) |
| 23:36.07 | jones_ | the help desk at aberdeen has a problem with publish the linux howto |
| 23:37.34 | azmodie | jones_: most uni's wont support linux as they are very windows centric. unfortunate. |
| 23:37.50 | jones_ | someone has written it, the help desk is holding it back |
| 23:38.04 | Wonka | a shame, really |
| 23:38.18 | jones_ | im going to have influential powers soon......heh |
| 23:38.30 | jones_ | any way, neeed to kip thanks for all the help |
| 23:38.33 | SpeedEvil | jones_: laser-eyes? |
| 23:38.38 | SpeedEvil | Night. |
| 23:38.48 | azmodie | abertay in dundee. was good enough to publish ours. since then they have moved to a portal system. that is a lot less secure. |
| 23:40.55 | techiem2-r | we use wpa-psk plus a captive portal |
| 23:42.41 | *** part/#openmoko marcmoe (n=user@i59F7E637.versanet.de) |
| 23:42.46 | Wonka | here, it's an open network, dhcp with rfc1918 ips, cisco 3000 vpn with XAUTH and no PKI. FAIL. |
| 23:42.52 | azmodie | abertay now transmiting password details in plain text. very suseptibal to a man in the middle attack. ethical hackers having a field day .. lol |
| 23:43.01 | techiem2-r | lol |
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| 23:46.58 | timur | hmm i installed illume-config-illume... and so i was wondering how to get my qwerty keyboard to show up? :) |
| 23:47.19 | techiem2-r | click the thingy |
| 23:47.21 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 23:48.06 | *** part/#openmoko penguina1or (n=penguina@winchester.res.wpi.net) |
| 23:48.14 | timur | hmm which thingy? the finger on lines icon at the bottom does nothing right now |
| 23:48.20 | azmodie | anyone had issue with xfce under debian. eg resolution too high. cant see all of openmoko-panel-plugin. |
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| 23:48.56 | techiem2-r | you have to reconfigure the window list or whatever it's called applet |
| 23:49.02 | techiem2-r | it defaults to min of 200px or something |
| 23:49.17 | techiem2-r | I disabled it and used the single icon window list thingy |
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| 23:50.30 | techiem2-r | else yeah, your other applets end up running off screen |
| 23:51.01 | techiem2-r | timur: did you restart X after installing illume-config? |
| 23:51.07 | azmodie | ahh that sounds about right. will reboot and check now. |
| 23:51.38 | timur | techiem2-r, not yet :) |
| 23:51.46 | techiem2-r | haha |
| 23:52.05 | techiem2-r | for some reason it likes to revert to the old keyboard instead of the nice ones when you opkg |
| 23:52.13 | techiem2-r | at least for me it does |
| 23:52.21 | techiem2-r | so have to restart X after instaling stuff |
| 23:52.24 | techiem2-r | *shrug* |
| 23:53.30 | timur | ok, this may be a stupid question, but should i remove the multitap-pad? |
| 23:53.52 | timur | because that thing now shows up... and i'm trying to not use it |
| 23:53.59 | techiem2-r | erm |
| 23:54.14 | techiem2-r | not sure if I have it in or not.... |
| 23:54.56 | timur | hm ok, i'll try it both ways |
| 23:55.04 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 23:55.11 | techiem2-r | I don't seem to have it installed |
| 23:55.13 | techiem2-r | I think... |
| 23:55.14 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 23:55.52 | timur | hehe all right. for the record, getting qwerty on this thing is proving to be a pain :) |
| 23:55.58 | techiem2-r | I like the terminal keyboard config that I think illumeconfig installs |
| 23:56.04 | timur | especially once they changed repos and i wasn't sure which to use |
| 23:56.09 | techiem2-r | ah |
| 23:56.19 | techiem2-r | I did a fresh install when 2008.9 was released |
| 23:56.28 | timur | maybe i should do that :) |
| 23:56.52 | techiem2-r | now if I just had a decent sip client... |
| 23:56.54 | techiem2-r | lol |
| 23:56.56 | ljp | mwester: ping |
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| 23:57.56 | timur | how is wireless in 2008.9? |
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| 23:57.59 | timur | is it flaky? |
| 23:58.19 | techiem2-r | seems to work |
| 23:58.39 | techiem2-r | might not come back on suspend...or moving between networks... |
| 23:58.39 | johngay | mwester around? |
| 23:58.42 | techiem2-r | but when it's up it's up |
| 23:58.43 | techiem2-r | hehe |
| 23:59.33 | timur | what do you mean by moving between networks? |
| 23:59.53 | techiem2-r | like when I leave here and go to the church or to work |
