IRC log for #openmoko on 20081006

00:01.10DocScrutinizerIf you can't find in EU, go ask USA. They have a collection covering the whole world ;-)
00:02.11DocScrutinizerand US-citicens file cases to be included in this database, if accidentally they missed on it :-D
00:03.28Dave:D
00:03.40Daveoh great :P
00:03.42Davessssh joerg
00:03.46Davestop giving them useful information
00:03.51Davethey could be listening to us now!
00:04.24mwestermakes a note that Dave suspects him.
00:04.43DocScrutinizermwester: lol
00:06.03mwesterActually what amazes me is just how much info people make available on themselves, voluntarily.  Just note how many people have C.V.s/Resumes online on their home website...
00:07.10DocScrutinizermwester: you're supposed to, to get a GPS-ant for free
00:07.50DocScrutinizernah, actually if you released previously (prematurely), it's worth nothing
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00:08.28break-freeanyone try out qtextended 4.3.3? I can't seem to find the dialer....
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00:08.33DocScrutinizernobody will give away a 5$ GPS-ant for publically available C.V.
00:08.59FxChiPRecent flash of inspiration: has anyone thought to hook gsmd up to JACK on incoming/outgoing calls?
00:09.25DocScrutinizerfor what purpose?
00:09.47FxChiPTo allow more than one audio source to go into it, or take from it.
00:10.02FxChiPRecording calls on the fly, "background music", hold music, automated systems, etc.
00:10.14DocScrutinizerDMIX/DSNOOP [ALSA] will do
00:10.48DocScrutinizerno need for JACK
00:10.50FxChiPOnly if gsmd presents itself as an audio device... I'd think
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00:11.11DocScrutinizernope, GSM audio is *analog*
00:11.26DocScrutinizeryou can route to wolfson ADCs
00:11.48DocScrutinizerand record via ALSA (or playback to it other way round)
00:11.56FxChiPand you could just pipe in an app directly to gsmd?
00:12.01FxChiPApp's audio, I mean.
00:12.03FxChiPAnd back.
00:12.32DocScrutinizersure, set up arecord to record from ADC, and here you go
00:12.50FxChiPWithout playing audio on the phone itself? Okay
00:13.08DocScrutinizeryup
00:14.17DocScrutinizeryou've to setup mixer to route mic to GSM as well as to ADC. I actually did, to debug buzz issue
00:14.50DocScrutinizerthere are even different ways to do (setup mixer)
00:14.50FxChiPnods
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00:23.35DaveSo what's the latest and the greatest?
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00:23.45DaveJoerg, what's new in the hardware world?
00:26.53sicuDave: a yodel activated lamp ^^
00:27.32mwester_the "yodeller"?
00:29.54Dave:D
00:29.58DaveMan
00:30.12Davethey're just mocking me because of my ingenuitive design ideas
00:30.43mwester_You've never told me what you're building with 29 Freerunners and all those cables...
00:31.01DocScrutinizerNeo-beo?
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00:31.39Dave:D
00:31.44DaveNeowulf?
00:31.50DocScrutinizeryup
00:32.23Dave:)
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00:32.26DaveMuwahahaha
00:32.31DocScrutinizerwe already considered this, for a 10k series of broken devices ;-)
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00:33.07DocScrutinizerthough forunately it's never been actually produced
00:33.14DaveActually I mentioned to sicu and friends the other day, an application which would control the screen brightness and vary it in real-time based on noise-level as detected by the microphone
00:33.35mwester_Actually, with the addition of a small USB hub and power source, the FR is a very nice hobbyist machine...
00:33.36Davesure it's a rather impractical application, but could be migrated to other things for useful purposes!
00:33.38DocScrutinizernice useless idea?
00:33.48DaveIsn't it? :)
00:33.57DaveWell I also had the idea for a smart-clapper
00:34.13Dave:P
00:34.24DocScrutinizerI'd like to share one of my pat.pend. ideas: adjust ringer volume depending on mic-level sampled during silence of ringer
00:34.51Daveyeah
00:34.55Daveor call volume level
00:35.04mwester_Makes sense... ring more loudly when the baby is screaming.
00:35.22DocScrutinizerlol, that's a feedback probably
00:35.49Davehaha no
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00:36.05DocScrutinizersame as in Alps, FR sensing his own echo and getting louder and louder
00:36.12Dave-_-
00:36.20Dave:\
00:36.30mwester_avalanche!!!
00:36.43Daveducks for cover
00:36.57wakwequestion: i am having problems building because i have an undefined reference to pthread_create, how ought i correct this?
00:37.29DocScrutinizerinclude possix-threads lib ? just a rough guess
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00:40.21DocScrutinizer<Dave> Well I also had the idea for a smart-clapper -- unfortunately we don't have any irq-source from audio level, so you have to run CPU sampling AD all the time - no suspend :-/
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00:41.16DocScrutinizerfor ringer volume that's different, as you can start AD on inbound call
00:42.28mwester_with voice recognition, one could have it check, so if it hears your boss talking, it doesn't ring.  :)
00:42.40mwester_Of course, one might need a bit more CPU for that...
00:45.36DocScrutinizermwester_: I'm not sure about that. Moto-Q and some Nokia et al doing even speaker-independent voice recognitions *without training*. Detecting speaker seams somewhat less demanding
00:47.28DocScrutinizeramazing! you're pressing button, tell "call joerg", and it responds with correct action though never has learnt about the pronounciation of j-o-e-r-g
00:48.03mwester_Now that would be tough!
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00:48.20DocScrutinizerit's actually working!
00:49.05DocScrutinizertested on a moto-Q and a N95
00:50.09DocScrutinizerSamsung SGH-i900 winddof-mobile doesn't know about speech at all :-(
00:50.38wakweDocScrutinizer: i am going in to the autogenerated Makefile and adding -lpthread after each gcc instance.  this includes under CC, CCDEPMODE, and CPP ... does this sound reasonable?
00:50.47DocScrutinizerthough moto-Q is same OS supposedly
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00:51.42wakweDocScrutinizer: at worst it seems to not error out in compilation...
00:51.45DocScrutinizerI'm no expert to those topics. But pthread is about possix, that's what I know. maybe as mwester
00:51.58wakwethanks
00:52.03DocScrutinizerask
00:53.00wakwemwester: i went into the autogenerated Makefile of my program and added in a -lpthread after every instance of gcc.  i didn't download any special libraries... just added -lpthread.  and it compiles... is there anything i should do differently?
00:56.19DocScrutinizerso if you get no compiler errors, what's the problem? undef symbol on runtime?
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01:08.09wakweDocScrutinizer: i ended up just including "-lpthread" as my project libs... but im getting a funny error when i try to make into an ipkg: "error: package name contains illegal characters, (other than [a-z0-9.+1]
01:10.23DocScrutinizercheck the line throwing that error! I'd guess it contains a "*" due to no matching expansion
01:11.04wakweDocScrutinizer: i'm not provided with a line number unfortunately
01:11.49DocScrutinizerset -vxyBLA?
01:13.24DocScrutinizeror a nice "trap" command?
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01:22.06wakwecan the program not have capital letters in it?
01:23.04DocScrutinizer??
01:23.27balrog-k1n[a-z0-9.+1] means nope
01:23.49DocScrutinizerusually lin names a all-lc
01:23.55DocScrutinizerlib*
01:26.04kWhello, does anybody know how to make the "terminal" keyboard of illume the default illume keyboard?
01:26.07wakwebalrog-k1n: so when you develop your program is all lowercased?
01:26.51balrog-k1nwakwe: well, it's name, yes
01:26.57balrog-k1nis off
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02:03.07wakwefortunately i finally got the app on the openmoko device... however its commandline based, is there options i can give it under "categories" in build to let it know that it should be run through terminal?
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02:30.14kWhello, does anybody know how to make the "terminal" keyboard of illume the default illume keyboard?
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03:44.31bbshey all
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04:00.39CIA-22freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r4498471d7160 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): ousage: document org.freesmartphone.Usage.Suspend()
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04:11.30MadTBonehas anyone been able to successfully import contacts into their Freerunner running Qtopia?
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05:40.09CIA-22freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rcb428650f456 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
05:40.09CIA-22freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] work around deep sleep recaming bug as documented in
05:40.09CIA-22freesmartphone.org: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024
05:40.09CIA-22freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Might play with the heuristics to fine-tune
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08:48.30CIA-22openmoko: 03zecke * r860b7ea9a161 10/src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): [inputmethod] Move QWSInputmethod/X11 into a library to be shared with pred and normal keyboard
08:48.30CIA-22openmoko: 03zecke * rc27140e09608 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/keyboard/keyboard.pro: [keyboard] Add the normal keyboard to the build process
08:48.31CIA-22openmoko: 03zecke * ra5603de097a8 10/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): [inputmethod] pred and keyboard have keyboard.{cpp,h}. stop to clash
08:48.32CIA-22openmoko: 03zecke * rdfe5c86da3f9 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/keyboard/ (5 files): [keyboard] Be able to build the normal keyboard on Qt/X11
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09:46.23max_posedonHow switch off suspending on Qtopia-4.4.1(2). In power managment I just can setup maximum time before suspend - 5min.
09:46.53max_posedon?
09:47.13Tm_Tmax_posedon: make it zero
09:47.50max_posedonoops, thanks)
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10:37.43Rupert_Sorry can't see on wiki but where are the contacts stored on [2008.09]? Keep reflashing and would like to save them
10:38.31viqtry something like /home/root/applications, in there should be a qtopia*.db
10:38.47Rupert_viq: thanks a million
10:39.12viq:)
10:39.34viqYou can also install sqlite3 to peek in there without copying the file over ;)
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10:42.13Rupert_viq: Can I just copy that .sqlite file into my reflahsed phone or should i really use an sqlite program to restore the data
10:42.49viqI *think* copying should work
10:43.12Rupert_viq: Right I'll try that. Once again thanks a million
10:43.46viq:)
10:45.50MrShleeeyou should backup /applications and /documents
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11:11.30CIA-22freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r524f2b2db498 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): oeventsd: Added the CallListContains trigger
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11:11.32CIA-22freesmartphone.org: [ogsmd] change SIM phonebook API to support multiple phonebooks
11:11.32CIA-22freesmartphone.org: Warning: This is an API breakage in org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM !
11:11.33pabs3how come this is partially in russian? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/October_3rd%2C_2008
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11:14.35viqSomeone watched too much Heroes? ;)
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11:34.59quickdevDoes someone know if there are any plans with the openmoko-contacts application?
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13:25.26mwesterbedboi:  Of course.
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13:38.43bedboimwester: so i should just get the new image and flash it?
13:39.11mwesterAs long as you get the image for the Neo, not the FR.
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13:50.02DaveMWester o/
13:51.00mwesterJust can't stay away from your moko-cluster, huh?  Up at the crack of dawn...
13:57.50Dave:D
13:57.52DaveIndeed :P
13:58.02SpeedEvilWho's dawn?
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14:04.21reenzoHi! I want to install debian but httpd on pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org seems down today. Any news? Is there a mirror I can use?
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14:05.19reenzo(debian on freerunner I mean, obvsly)
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14:06.34DaveYes, we understood.
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14:15.51dolf1074Can someone tell me how I can kill or restart the top bar on om 2008.8?
14:16.23Wonka.oO( reboot )
14:16.56dolf1074And where the source files of that are located?
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14:17.43dolf1074I want to begin hacking on it, but without the source code and no ability to restart that application, it's gonna be a little hard
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14:26.07DaveLEINIR
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14:27.02leinir*curtsies* Sir :)
14:27.20Davepats Leinir on the head
14:27.53leinirleans into the pettings and purrrs :)
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14:32.36dolf1074Does anybody knows how I can make an application stay ontop and isn't fullscreen on om2008.8?
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14:32.49DaveHmm?
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14:40.34stongohello
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14:41.26stongohas anyone here installed the new rasterman theme?
14:42.46gromezstongo: yeah!
14:43.29stongogromez: have you installed much on it?
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14:44.03gromezstongo: frameworkd and zhone but i didn't try yet with my sim card
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14:44.38stongoI installed qtopia-dialer-x11 fine... but I installed tangogps, and it doesn't run, and the desktop icon doesn't show up
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14:45.23gromezstongo: i installed tangogps too and there's a trick to make the icon appears
14:45.43gromezedit /usr/share/applications/tangogps.desktop
14:46.02gromezfor Categories, change Application by Applications
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14:46.28stongogromez: ah cool! that's what was wrong. I was looking at the desktop file, and it seemed fine.
14:46.42stongosuch a small syntax change
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14:47.15gromezstongo: application.menu should have changed or something like that
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14:48.32stongogromez: did you install settings to access wifi and gps control?
14:48.40stongoor is there a better way of controlling them?
14:49.09gromezstongo: no, didn't find any tools in fso repos to do that
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14:49.52stongogromez: you went with fso instead of qtopia? how's that working?
14:51.13gromezstongo: yes, just put FSO feeds and install frameworkd and zhone for call/messages/contacts UI
14:52.17stongogromez: ok, I was actually wondering how to do that. that's great. qtopia has been really buggy lately. it's weird,because it was running fine for quite a while.
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14:55.28gromezreenzo: pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org is back :)
14:56.06reenzothank you!
14:56.45DaveMwester, I summon you!
14:57.40toggles_wgromez: does this mean a debian install will work?
14:58.28gromeztoggles_w: i'm just starting the install so maybe
14:58.40ShleeI think we're all waiting for a fresh QT release. 4.4 has too many issues
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14:59.17mwesterappears in a burst of orange flame, and the smell of brimstone in the air
14:59.51SpeedEviladds charcoal and saltpeter for the lulz.
14:59.59mwesterSPEAK O DAVE
15:00.00stongodoes anyone know if QT is planning to release a more advanced GPS app?
15:00.08toggles_wgromez: k, i'd like to hear about your success ;-)
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15:06.53Dave:D
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15:07.18DaveMwester, I just wanted to thank you for all your hard work, and hosting those images and patches :)
15:07.21Dave\o/
15:07.31DaveAll praise to the mwester.
15:08.57leinirstongo: Not by default, but taking the source for their demo app and sticking a graphicsview onto it which shows the position on an OSM map shouldn't be too hard for someone determined :)
15:09.17Daveuse the source!
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15:11.09reenzoFTA-02 comes out-of-the-box with opkg pointing to "src/gz daily-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all" which is not accessible anymore (AFAIK).... should I use downloads.openmoko.or instead?
15:12.37wurp2|gonePardon my ignorance, but wtf is FTA-02?
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15:12.43WonkaGTA02
15:12.55Wonkawith F directly next to G on most keyboards
15:13.07wurp2|workingah, thx
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15:13.09leinirwurp2|working: It's f-ing GTA02 with an off-by-one error ;)
15:13.20wurp2|workingI knew it looked ever-so familiar, but I couldn't quite figure it out
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15:14.04leinirreenzo: In short, however, yes :)
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15:14.20reenzoyes. F is close to G...
15:15.24gromezit should be a good idea if someone could make a ready-to-use Debian image
15:15.56Davewurp :)
15:16.06leinirBut that'd be un-debianish! ;)
15:16.13Davehoenoes!
15:16.30Davespeaking of which, leinir, I just almost typed: jprmprd
15:16.31Dave;)
15:17.04leinirHehe :)
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15:32.36gromezwell, ./install.sh fso crashes :(
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15:37.41gromezfound a thread on the ML related to this problem :)
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15:44.58stongogromez: does zhone have any dependencies? I installed frameworkd and zhone, but the dialer or address book won't launch from the zhone screen
15:45.36gromezstongo: your sim card is in the phone ?
15:46.30stongogromez: yes it is, but I actually don't have signal right now... maybe it needs signal to launch?
15:46.54mickey|twdebug out?
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15:47.02gromezstongo: did zhone ask you for PIN number ?
15:47.16mickey|twdo you have gsm0710muxd installed?
15:47.25mickey|twon Openmoko devices it needs these
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15:47.48stongogromez: it didn't prompt me for one, but I don't need one on my network anyway
15:48.01gromezframeworkd depends on gsm0710muxd iirc
15:48.19mickey|twbest way is to login via ssh
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15:48.31mickey|twthen edit the conf file to spit out debug info
15:48.34mickey|twthen run framework
15:48.37mickey|twthen login another shell
15:48.39mickey|twthen run zhone
15:48.43mickey|twand see what's happening
15:49.03CIA-22freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * refce1a4866fc 10/src/zhone: catch up with FSO phonebook API extensions
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16:07.50stongogsm0710muxd is up-to-date
16:08.01DaveEngage!
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16:10.11stongounder the time in zhone, it says "connecting w/ dbus..."
16:10.46stongoI assume it shouldn't continue saying them? so maybe it's a dbus problem.
16:10.50mickey|twyeah
16:10.53mickey|twframeworkd is running?
16:10.59mickey|twcan you see the objects w/ mdbus -s ?
16:11.45stongoah wait a second...python-gobject is missing
16:11.46stongostupid me
16:12.35stongohrm
16:12.42stongocan't install it though, it seems
16:13.00stongo"frameworkd INFO     Installprefix is /usr
16:13.01stongoframeworkd.controller ERROR    python-gobject >= 2.14.0 required"
16:13.16mickey|twhmm
16:13.22mickey|twpython-pygobject perhaps?
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16:16.30stongomickey: that was it. python-pygobject
16:17.38stongosweet, works perfect now!
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16:17.43mickey|twcool
16:17.50mickey|twso we're missing a dependency?
16:17.57stongothanks for the help
16:18.10stongoyes, seems that way.
16:18.22DaveHey mickey
16:18.27mickey|twhmm, no
16:18.34mickey|twpython-pygobject found in RDEPENDS for frameworkd
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16:18.35mickey|twyo dave
16:19.10Daveyo
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16:21.06stongohrm.I'm using the testing feed. not sure why it would have missed python-pygobject
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16:22.53stongoi just restarted xserver. it doesn't seem like frameworkd starts up when zhone starts up.
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16:25.47bedboishould the modules be profiled if PROFILE=-pg is activated in the Makefile.defs
16:25.47bedboi?
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16:32.08sigiusI am curious, is FIC already working on a successor to the Freerunner ?
16:32.21Flyser__sigius: of course they are
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16:33.17sigiusFlyser__ : right :), of course, any pointers then ?
16:33.36stongoshould framework launch itself when zhone is launched?
16:33.48mickey|twstongo: not yet
16:34.06mickey|twit contains an init script atm.
16:34.49Flyser__sigius: well there are very few information about it. if there is nothing on the wiki it would be hard to find some. just one thing for sure: It will have a better graphics card
16:35.20bedboiops
16:35.25bedboiwrong channel
16:36.03stongois the zhone address book a seperate install?
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16:38.20sigiusFlyser__ , ok, found some on a page 'gta03' on the wiki
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16:39.42sigiusThere is already a gta03 evaluation page apparently
16:40.02sigiuss/page/board (!?)
16:40.04Dave:o
16:40.20SpeedEvilboard
16:40.25SpeedEvilyes
16:40.44Wonkahttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03_revisions
16:41.08Flyser__does not wan't his freerunner to be deprecated so fast :/
16:41.42mwesterYes, but what is REALLY sad is that Om is commited to the PMU used on the GTA02 -- the one that can get the battery into a state where it can no longer be charged.
16:41.58mwesterSo the GTA03 will have the same hardware bug.
16:42.06mwesterthat cannot be solved in software...
16:42.29Wonkaon the planet was a posting that told it'd work to charge it on the wallwart...
16:42.52mwesterThere is one particular failure mode where even that will not make a difference :(
16:43.22Wonkaokay... or rather not.
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16:43.55mwesterhas a Nokia blc5 charger, and suggests that Om should ship something like that with the GTA02/03 to each customer so that the battery can be charged externally when the FR can't do it anymore.
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16:45.34cjbmwester: doesn't the USB AC adapter they ship do that too?
16:46.05cjbI run my battery out quite a lot, and use the AC to get it working again
16:46.11DaveYou do?
16:46.25cjbyup.  maybe it still has just enough left to work that way?
16:46.27DaveWonka, I wish
16:46.32cjblast night, for instance
16:46.33Davecjb, must have
16:46.34alphaoneSame here actually
16:46.39Davebecause it doesn't do that he says
16:46.42cjbIt would have run out at about.. 11pm
16:46.48cjband I realized at 10am this morning
16:46.52DaveI've completely discharged it, and nothing worked
16:46.53Wonkamwester: ack, at least as accessory, and also extra batteries
16:46.53cjband plugged it in, and it came back on
16:46.55alphaoneBut I can test it if you can tell me exactly what I need to do
16:47.00DaveWonka - totally!
16:47.11DaveThey did that with the GTA01 apparently, but why not the 02? WTF
16:47.24Davealphaone, deplete your batteries!
16:47.26cjbthat is quite odd
16:47.31DaveThen become disappointed!
16:47.44cjbI guess if mine gets in such a state, it's likely that there's someone else in Boston who knows how to get it back
16:47.49alphaoneDave: I already do that
16:47.53cjband if nothing else we have lab chargers here
16:47.57Pietraosorry for my bad english, What about a revert to develop the 2007.2? It was really better than 2008.*...
16:48.02Davehaha
16:48.04alphaoneDo I need to make sure the FR is in a special state?
16:48.05Davecjb, yeah
16:48.13Davethe dead state?
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16:59.12Pietraodoes anyone know something about it?
16:59.23Pietrao"What about a revert to develop the 2007.2? It was really better than 2008.*... "
16:59.35Pietraowhat do you think?
17:00.29lindi-Pietrao: just use apps from both distros?
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17:01.05Pietraobut 2007 is too incomplete
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17:02.45quickdevPietrao, what do you miss on 2008 that worked on 2007.2?
17:03.15Pietraothe interface was better on 2007
17:03.20Pietraothe home screen
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17:04.35lindi-Pietrao: but take the best parts of both?
17:05.03Pietraoand qtopia-x11 isn't well integrated
17:05.09Pietraoon 2008
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17:05.50Pietraoi'm not a developer
17:06.11Pietraoso I ask you to do it
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17:06.36mickey|twlets see what the SHR guys come up w/
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17:06.59Pietraolots of members of the italian community thinks that the choice of illume+qtopia-x11 is really bad
17:07.02mwestercjb, alphaone: The magic state requires the the PMU onboard the GTA02 reset itself to factory settings -- so in normal use such a thing should never happen, but you would enter that state if the tiny little backup batter on the PCB went dead, or if you were to somehow arrange for the PMU to be re-set some other way.
17:07.17Sylar91Pietrao: I think it too
17:07.44mwesterThe concern is that leaving the gta02 in a drawer for 6 months (for example) would be a case where it mght enter this state where it could no longer begin charging the dead battery.
17:08.03Sylar91qtopia is really good but including it in openmoko, in my opinion, is a stupid thing...
17:08.05mwesterThe 01 differs in that its PMU chip will at least do some small charging when completely reset...
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17:08.52Pietraoi'm at one with you
17:09.07Sylar91what about next openmoko distribution?
17:10.39alphaonemwester: okay, thanks for the info
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17:10.52alphaoneso I should desolder the backup bat in order to test this
17:14.07mwesteralphaone:  I believe you can also short it temporarily -- one would have to pick which alternative would be less likely to do damage.
17:14.38dorje78hi  all! :)
17:15.13Sylar91hi dorje
17:15.15Sylar91:P
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17:15.41dorje78I have a question.... Is there maybe someone working on a sort of fork of om2007?
17:15.44mwesterSo, remove USB cable, remove battery, short or remove backup cell -- should result in a gta02 that will no longer be able to charge a completely dead battery -- although the completely dead battery must truely be completely dead, or it wil have enough energy to start uboot, and one of the first things uboot does is to reset the registers on the PMU to start trickle charging...
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17:16.18mwesterdorje78:  SHR distro.  Check the wiki for some info.
17:17.06dorje78thank you, mwester! :)
17:19.05Sylar91when shr will be aviable?
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17:22.25mickey|twwhen the guys converted the bread'n'butter apps to the FSO service level framework
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17:33.22quickdevSylar91, I'm current working on it
17:34.21Pietraoquickdev, is it downloadable?
17:34.42DaveSHR SHR
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17:36.41quickdevPietrao, sim pin/puk and incoming/outgoing calls are working. atm I'm working on contacts and messages. I'll release some alpha packages the next days.
17:36.58DaveExcellent!
17:37.02Pietraowow
17:37.13alphaonecool
17:37.21Pietraothanks :)
17:37.47Pietraocan't we see some screenshot?
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17:39.25quickdevit looks very simplistic, but edje .edc theme files are used which could be modified with ease to change the appearance, no screenshots yet ;)
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17:40.29Pietraook thanks
17:41.21CIA-22openmoko: 03zecke * r22aa39760c31 10/src/libraries/qtopiainputmethod/qwsinputmethod_x11.cpp: [inputmethod] Map a key if it is not known to X
17:41.21CIA-22openmoko: 03zecke * rfd4357317f59 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/keyboard/keyboardframe.cpp: [keyboard] Properly map the escape keycode
17:41.21CIA-22openmoko: 03zecke * r71f36234789d 10/src/plugins/inputmethods/keyboard/keyboardframe.cpp: [keyboard] Fix caption on the keyboard for X11
17:41.23CIA-22openmoko: 03zecke * ra0a6cbd1d8eb 10/src/server/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [keyboard] Allow to switch the key on the fly using a dbus interface
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17:42.10Davevery simplistic...
17:42.15Dave=~ crap? :D
17:42.29leinirOi!
17:42.39DaveHey Leinir :P
17:42.44leinircreated Reinhardt ;)
17:43.19Davecreated chaosrunners
17:44.10leinirWell, my comment is on topic ;)
17:44.31DaveI'll comment you!
17:44.44Davewrites funny words on leinir
17:45.10leinirmeeps! "That tickles!" ;)
17:45.30Dave:D
17:45.34CIA-22openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r7a25cba23b7a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia with two main changes
17:45.35CIA-22openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rcf3b19b3b111 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (qtopia-phone-x11/qtopia.sh qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb): [qtopia] Remove LD_LIBRARY_PATH from the profile
17:45.35CIA-22openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r9b5f4091343e 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [qtopia] Qtopia/X11 is now assigning keycode's on the fly
17:45.39Davebe glad I'm not using a quill ;)
17:45.43leinirhttp://leinir.dk/leinir/content/en/Reinhardt+Icon+Set
17:45.49Dave:o
17:46.06bedboiguys is it safe to use 2008.8 on a neo1973?
17:47.23DaveGawd leinir, you're such a kde whore ;p
17:47.36leinirDave: No... a whore makes money ;)
17:47.37Davebedboi, reflash at your own peril :)
17:47.42Davehahahahaha
17:47.49DaveOh, poor leinir
17:47.53leinirA slut does the same for free ;)
17:47.55Davewipes the tears from his eyes and smiles
17:47.58DaveI see...
17:48.06DaveTherefore, you are insinuating you are the latter? :p
17:48.38leinirWhen using insultint terms, make sure to always use the correct one, it's much harder to dispute ;)
17:48.47Davehad het kunnen weten ~_~
17:49.36Daveoffers leinir money
17:49.47Dave:D
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17:50.31leinirbecomes a whore! ;)
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17:52.36Davehaw
17:52.37zashaint we all whores
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17:52.46dos1hello
17:53.01dos1is there any way to check jffs2 filesystem?
17:53.01zashworld
17:53.07Davezash er en hore :p
17:53.20zashDave: no, unemployed :D
17:53.27Daveready for business? :D
17:53.50dos1;)
17:53.54Davelaughs
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17:59.26sicuhmmm, dave, not sure wether you offered to be his customer there, or his pimp ... ? :p
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18:03.39Davesicu :P
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18:08.55HirePietrao: you are italian?
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18:20.28lesouvageI would like to have gprs available on my fdom flashed freerunner and vodafone. Should it run when I add the files on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Vodafone_pppd_scripts on my freerunner or is there more to configure?
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18:33.43tkepanyone know how to transfer contacts from sim to phone in om2008.9?
18:33.55tkepi guess it's the qtopia contacts prog
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18:46.17gromezhum it seems my u-boot_env is broken, does someone have a backup of his one ?
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18:58.45bipakis there an easy way for sniffing the dbus?
18:58.54lindi-bipak: yes
18:59.01cjbdbus-monitor
18:59.12bipakgreat :)
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19:09.34bipakhmm, i thought i could recognize an outgoing/incoming call on the dbus... but nothing appears
19:10.08bipakany idea how i can detect in incoming/outgoing call?
19:10.26bipakOM2008
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19:17.29PietraoHire: yes
19:17.49Hireah bene :D
19:17.51Hireniente
19:17.52tkepanyone know how to transfer contacts from sim to phone in om2008.9?
19:17.55Hirecome ha detto quickdev
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19:17.58lesouvageI'm one in a milion! (acualy 2 milion) There are just 8 tangogps "friends"  on the map of Holland ;-)
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19:18.20Hirebisogna aspettare SHR, che sarà una distro fatta dalla community che userà il nuovo framework FSO
19:18.40Pietraolo so...
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19:18.56Hiresarà rilasciata una alpha in questi giorni
19:19.11Hireho provato una versione di metà settembre, aveva solo il dialer installato ma funzionava
19:19.20Hirela alpha avrà anche contacts e messagges
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19:19.42Pietraoma mi fa davvero arrabbiare moltissimo che la OpenMoko abbia perso tempo con la ASU, se si fossero concentrati seriamente sulla 2007 adesso avremmo un prodotto completo e quasi sicuramente migliore di qtopia e iphone...
19:19.51Hirecomunque tu sei a contatto con la comunità italiana no? ecco, servirebbe qualcuno che conosce C o GTK
19:19.56ceda¿porque hablais espanol aqui?
19:20.00Hireeh no
19:20.01Pietraosi
19:20.28Pietraono?
19:20.29Hirenon è così facile pietrao :) per prima cosa devi considerare che l'openmoko è stata la prima società a creare un cellulare totalmente aperto
19:20.35dos1omfg
19:20.41Hirequindi è normale che abbiano commesso qualche errore
19:21.12Hirepoi la 2007 è uno vecchio stack, adesso hanno creato un nuovo, FSO, che ti assicuro è una bomba: stabile, performante e facile da usare per gli sviluppatori
19:21.18Pietraoma da quanto avevo capito la asu serviva solo per distribuire i freerunner perlomeno funzionante
19:21.20Hireovviamente però servono i programmi per usare questo framework :D
19:21.21Pietraosi si ho provato fso
19:21.45bipakhuh
19:21.54cedaPietrao Hire: get a room will ya?
19:21.59ceda:)
19:22.06Hiresorry :D
19:22.27Hirevieni di là, in query
19:22.31Hirestop italian chat :D
19:22.42sicuso this isnt #italian-for-beginners ? :p
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19:23.36LaF0rgedoes anyone know where to get the latest lowlevel_foo.bin for devirginator?
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19:23.53LaF0rgeyes, I know how to compile it myself.  but from where is devirginator uspposed to download it?
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19:26.06LionKMPhi, did anybody try and succeed building the openembedded om with mokomakefile on x86_64?
19:26.28LionKMPhost os x86_64, target platform: x86, actually.
19:26.54LionKMPLaF0rge: should be in the bb files, no?
19:27.45dolf1074which packages should be installed, when you want to compile something on your om 2008.9?
19:28.45LionKMPdolf1074: compile in Toolchain? I compiled a program in toolchain with success. (XBill)
19:28.51LionKMPbeginner
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19:30.28dolf1074LionKMP: I prefer to compile on the freerunner, because I don't have to copy to and from the freerunner. (And my first experience with the Toolchain wan't that succesfull)
19:31.08LionKMPyep, I am failing daily too. :-) I also failed setting up gcc on the FR. so now I try the mokomakefile openembedded build.
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19:31.27LionKMPI installed some gcc related packaged on the FR, but still a lot was missing. :(
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19:31.40dolf1074me too :(
19:31.40LionKMPpackaged/packages/
19:31.48tkepanyone know how to transfer contacts from sim to phone in om2008.9?
19:31.51tkepanyone :-D
19:32.15dolf1074LionKMP: but I know it has worked sometimes. (But after reflash I can't remember how)
19:32.28wurp2|workingtkep: use a real distro
19:32.38LionKMPhehe :) you should really take notes next time.
19:32.54LionKMPwurp2|working: helpful advice.... I love this distro war.
19:33.04LionKMPwhenever I ask something, I am adviced to use another distro.
19:33.09wurp2|workingheh
19:33.15wurp2|workingThat's because no distro does everything well
19:33.16dolf1074I know, but than I will forget were that note is stored and I'm at the beginning againg
19:33.28tkepwurp2|working, so what, om2007?  fso?
19:33.37wurp2|workingBut I still haven't heard anything to recommend 2008.9 as anything but eye candy
19:33.41LionKMPdolf1074: well, keep those useful notes on http://wiki.openmoko.org, really :)
19:33.51wurp2|workingtkep: If you want your phone to "just work" as a phone, I recommend Qtopia
19:34.15wurp2|workingIf you want to have fun with it, I think I recommend debian, but that's from hearsay
19:34.18tkepi mean, i prefer 2008.9, but i need to transfer from one sim to another
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19:34.32tkepso i can hop into another distro temporarily
19:34.36tkepi don't mind this
19:34.43tkepso does qtopia handle this?
19:34.46dolf1074LionKMP: I'm trying to do that on my blog, but it takes to much time to blog on everything. (And posting everything on the wiki, would make it a mess)
19:35.03wurp2|workingtkep: I dunno how in qtopia :-(
19:35.10LionKMPtkep: I think I read somewhere that one of the distros did that "automagically". Would be hard to find. :(
19:35.20wurp2|workingtkep: If you want to pull contacts off your phone, there are standard instructions for 2007.2
19:35.23wurp2|workingin the wiki
19:35.36LionKMPdolf1074: ok, URL? I am info-hungry for openmoko :)
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19:36.19dolf1074LionKMP: http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/ (it's now syndicated on the openmoko planet)
19:36.36wurp2|workingYou can do it one at a time in Qtopia :-(
19:36.43dolf1074http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/search/label/openmoko is for everything about openmoko
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19:37.12wurp2|workingIt would be easy to write a script to do them all in fso, but in 2007.2 the script is already written
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19:38.26LionKMPdolf1074: ah, I know this one, I am reading your blog time to time and find useful things :-) (I read many things from Planet and other linked resources)
19:39.31slaxxinevery time i flash i ALWAYS lose 1 or 2 contacts
19:39.35dolf1074I'm now busy with packaging gnuboy (an gameboy emulator). Normally the person who ported it onto the freerunner would look into controls, but he hasn't done that. So I'm now trying
19:39.51dolf1074So my next blog post will handle about that ;)-
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19:40.04LionKMPcool :-)
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19:40.48dolf1074but my make and configure don't want to work. So it will be postponed (hopefully still today)
19:41.52LionKMPI think OM developers things on the host os most of the time. Like described in the Xephyr article, but that's just a guess. :)
19:42.04LionKMPI mean, Openmoko Inc employees.
19:43.55dolf1074I didn't tried that yet. I have already looked into that, couple months ago when I had no freerunner. But qemu was lot cooler to use (and slower). So maybe I should try that again
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19:44.41LionKMPtkep: ! "The nifty thing about this is that it actually imported them from the SIM card automagically."
19:44.48LionKMPhttp://www.monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/FSO-Milestone-II-Phot-Safari-and--rant.html
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19:45.19LionKMPdolf1074: lol, yes, slower that's sure :)
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19:45.50LionKMPdolf1074: I don't know if this is new or not, but Toolchain can install anything with opkg-target into "itself".
19:46.02LionKMPso you can have the same libs, etc like on the FR.
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19:46.32dolf1074But you can only run it after you copied it onto your freerunner? isn't it?
19:46.37LionKMPI just don't know how to "make install" with it. Fortunately XBill had only 2 dirs and an executable.
19:46.45LionKMPhehe, just answered.
19:46.51LionKMPah yes
19:46.52LionKMPyes
19:48.09dolf1074copying 50mb to the freerunner isn't that nice. (And because I don't write c without any errors, I would compile && copy && run for about 5 hours, I think). I know the toolchain is the way to do it, but practically it can be cumbersome.
19:48.43LionKMP50mb compiled code? you don't need to copy data all the time.
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19:49.05dolf1074dolf1074 is thinking he should better use wireless, it's faster
19:49.12LionKMPI copy with "c", I made one letter shell scripts. :-)
19:49.27LionKMPI just need ssh key exchange now, so I can copy in a moment.
19:49.41slaxxinhttp://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-October/032465.html
19:49.54LionKMP"c" to download to fr, "g" to get something from it, "o" to log in. :)
19:50.12dolf1074nice
19:51.00LionKMPslaxxin: yep, I sent comment to that blog post. I am surprised there are only 11 comments total.
19:52.02slaxxinits like the old chevy truck
19:52.06LionKMPhm, zecke closed the thread :-D
19:52.21dolf1074LionKMP: I just use arrow up (I mostly use the terminal for logging into my freerunner)
19:52.25LionKMPtold everyone "don't cry in the corner, tell us the errors" :)
19:52.38LionKMPdolf1074: lol :D
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19:52.44zashsshfs!
19:53.03dolf1074or I use a bookmark into nautilus :)
19:53.51SpeedEvilThe more things change.
19:54.07LionKMPok, I'll make this ssh keygen now, so I don't even have to press enter after the one-letter commands :)
19:54.08SpeedEvilPlease write a blog post once a week or so to...
19:54.11zashhttp://p.zash.se/h-QwoQ.txt
19:54.19zashmy
19:54.24zash~/Makefile
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19:55.26LionKMPI don't understand it.
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19:56.43zash"make remote" in ~ mounts some remote host on ~/remote
19:56.50dolf1074About the 'lost openmoko community', The freerunner was hardware ready but not software ready. That was said many many times.
19:57.21zashLionKMP: i have web_h=mywebserver web_p=/var/www/
19:57.33SpeedEvilThere absolutely needs to be a big updated list of stuff OM is not working on.
19:57.49zashLionKMP: so, "make web" mounts my web-dir on ~/web
19:58.17LionKMPyou add those in the beginning of the makefile?
19:58.21zashyes
19:58.27LionKMPok, moment, reading.
19:58.28dolf1074Also don't blame the developers of openmoko, they are working their ass off. Openmoko inc should hire more people. (And in a company that's mostly open and free, that's hard)
19:58.55SpeedEvilIt's not developers, it has to be policy.
20:00.23dolf1074but before there is a policy, you have to have people making that policy and at the moment most of the people in openmoko are developers. Not hardcore policy makers.
20:01.05SpeedEvilLack of a policy is a policy.
20:01.18SpeedEvilAnd an insane one.
20:01.44dolf1074And for a developer making a policy, it's like diving into the deep. Therefor they didn't do it before now. Because it worked. But because there are to many complaints, they are trying to handle it now.
20:01.45LionKMPzash: ok, thanks, I noted into the file. 2 small questions: 1,does this run as user? 2,  what if you disconnect without umount?
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20:02.40zashLionKMP: sshfs uses fuse, so no root required. make whatever- unmounts
20:03.42LionKMPyep, I saw the umount (however "-fusermount" looks a strange command) (I'll install sshfs package)
20:04.19zashLionKMP: to rows with moko_h=192.168.0.200 and moko_p=/ should work if you have usb-networking stuffs
20:04.39LionKMP202
20:04.46zash:D
20:05.27zashLionKMP: - in the beginning of a command makes make ignore errors
20:05.28zashi think
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20:07.34LionKMProot@ is not sent
20:07.44LionKMPand the file has spaces in place of tabs, make complains.
20:08.12zashah, yes
20:08.20slaxxinqt is too cool but openmoko is what i use
20:08.22zashi copypasted from a terminal
20:08.53LionKMPfuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied
20:08.54LionKMP:(
20:09.00zashLionKMP: edit ~/.ssh/config
20:09.03LionKMPslaxxin: +1 :)
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20:09.17KaZeRhi there
20:09.30wurp2|workingslaxxin: Which OM?
20:09.41LionKMPon which side? pc? (no such file)
20:09.42slaxxinthe latest
20:09.57slaxxinon the freerunner
20:10.11zashLionKMP: on your pc
20:10.11LionKMPand I needed to add moko_u and use that as "$($*_u)@$($*_h):$($*_p)"
20:10.11wurp2|workingslaxxin: You can make & receive calls, etc, with something like stability?
20:10.17KaZeRhave there been hardware modifications since the first batch of FR which was shipped at the beginning of the summer?
20:10.19slaxxin<PROTECTED>
20:10.25wurp2|workingslaxxin: awesome!
20:10.26slaxxinall the time
20:10.30wurp2|workinghrm
20:10.39wurp2|workingMaybe I should actually try 2008 now :-)
20:10.40slaxxinh
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20:10.58wurp2|workingKaZeR: not afaik
20:11.06slaxxinjust battery  is the only drawback for me
20:11.20wurp2|workingslaxxin: So no suspend/resume?
20:11.29LionKMPKaZeR: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware#GTA02v5
20:11.48zashLionKMP: "Host 192...\n\tUser: root" in ~/.ssh/config should also work
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20:12.28LionKMPah, I see. I thought you mean that would fix the Permission Denied, what I get.
20:12.48LionKMPno need to enable something on the FR?
20:13.04zashLionKMP: aha, that. you need to add yourself to group "fuse"
20:13.11zashLionKMP: to use fuse filesystems
20:13.13LionKMPah, on PC.
20:13.14dolf1074LionKMP: I found the packages I needed for do making on om2008.8. Thanks for helping and suggesting other methods
20:13.15LionKMPI guess
20:13.37zashopenmoko does have a ssh-ftp capable sshd?
20:13.41KaZeRwurp2|working, LionKMP , thanks
20:13.42LionKMPdolf1074: ehm, do you mean, compiling directly on the FR?
20:13.47dolf1074yup
20:13.57LionKMPcool. I'll watch your blog for results :)
20:14.16KaZeRslaxxin, how long does your battery last?
20:14.31KaZeRdolf1074, url of your blog?
20:14.57LionKMPKaZeR: I have GTA02v5
20:15.00dolf1074http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/search/label/openmoko (but it will eventually appear on planet openmoko)
20:15.07KaZeRthanks dolf1074
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20:15.22LionKMPI guess there are v6's shipping now, is it?
20:15.29dolf1074yes
20:15.52dolf1074there are a couple of v5's flowing around, but they were manually changed to the state of v6
20:16.03zashLionKMP: you could also just add root@ to the _h variable
20:16.28zashlike http://p.zash.se/fF73Lg.txt
20:16.34LionKMPzash: hehe, no, that's fine, I created moko_u, better solution.
20:16.37LionKMPanyway
20:16.38LionKMPit
20:16.39LionKMPworks :D
20:16.42zash:D
20:16.48LionKMPgreat! thank you!
20:17.31zashthanks for appreciating
20:17.32LionKMPwe should add to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/File_transfer page, no? :)
20:18.08zasha sshfs-subsection at tleast
20:18.16dolf1074LionKMP: definitely
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20:27.51LionKMPI added the makefile too, it's so cool :-)
20:28.24LionKMPI didn't add name or credit, because I don't know if you want that or not. Please edit if you don't like something.
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20:29.37LionKMPhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/File_transfer#SSHFS
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20:49.01CIA-22freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r6fc399632daf 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/parser.py modems/abstract/unsolicited.py objects.py):
20:49.01CIA-22freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add support for IncomingMessage in non-buffered mode
20:49.01CIA-22freesmartphone.org: This also renames the .SIM.IncomingMessage signal to
20:49.01CIA-22freesmartphone.org: .SIM.IncomingStoredMessage
20:49.01CIA-22freesmartphone.org: Warning: API breakage in org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM!
20:49.02CIA-22freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc4e55d2dcd18 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py:
20:49.05CIA-22freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Issue Device{G,S}etSimBuffersSms on unsolicited channel
20:49.07CIA-22freesmartphone.org: +CMT will go the the same channel where CNMI was set so we need to set
20:49.09CIA-22freesmartphone.org: it in the unsolicited channel.
20:49.11CIA-22freesmartphone.org: This also fixes a logic bug where GetSimBuffersSms would return the
20:49.15CIA-22freesmartphone.org: opposite of what it was set to.
20:49.17CIA-22freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r7711373053db 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
20:49.19CIA-22freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.SendMessage
20:49.21CIA-22freesmartphone.org: This method sends an SMS directly without having to save it on SIM
20:49.23CIA-22freesmartphone.org: first.
20:49.25CIA-22freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r1d0db6640e74 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: Add gsmsms, gsmdebug and ubxdebug interfaces
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20:54.40zashisnt sftp the same as ssh-ftp
20:55.03zashand ftp + ssl is ftps
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20:58.00wurp2|workingzash: dunno, I'm an scp man myself
20:58.36kd8iktyeah sshfs is buggy
20:58.37zashwurp2|working: scp = ssh ftp copy
20:58.57zashkd8ikt: it is?
20:59.22wurp2|workingzash: Really?  Are you sure?
20:59.52wurp2|workingWhen you say ftp do you mean ftp, or are you just using it as a generic term for file copy?
20:59.53zashwurp2|working: yes
21:00.02kd8iktsftp
21:00.31zashwurp2|working: man scp says so
21:00.54wurp2|workingafaik ftp takes two connections and has some overhead you wouldn't need with scp.  You can implement copy over ssh w/ enough command line
21:00.59zashwurp2|working: with ssh ftp i mean the ftp subsystem of sshd
21:00.59wurp2|workingOK, thanks for the info
21:01.21zashssh-ftp != ftp + ssh
21:01.23wurp2|workingzash: I'm sorry to say I didn't even know sshd included an ftp subsystem...
21:01.44zashwurp2|working: the moar you know
21:02.02wurp2|workingMy man of scp doesn't say anything about sftp, and vice versa...
21:02.11zashsshfs uses that subsys too
21:02.15zashwurp2|working: whut
21:02.44kd8iktscp thisfile.poop user@remotehost:/where/i/want/it/dumped/  or :./ for user's home folder
21:02.45zashwikipedia!
21:03.02zashkd8ikt: or just :
21:03.18wurp2|workingzash: From wikipedia (yeah, I know): Some implementations of the scp program actually use the SFTP protocol to perform file transfers; however, some such implementations are still able to fallback to the SCP protocol if the server does not provide SFTP service.
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21:03.21kd8iktit also works the otherway   `scp user@host:/etc/motd  ./
21:03.54wurp2|workingscp != sftp
21:04.01kd8iktdamn zash and i've been wasting my time with :./
21:04.10CIA-22freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07zhone * r2cccdc592d10 10/src/zhone: Follow API change IncomingMessage -> IncomingStoredMessage
21:05.12kd8iktso ...   :.ssh is the same as  :./.ssh ?
21:05.17cjbyes
21:05.27kd8iktnice
21:05.55kd8iktits also the same as :./.ssh/../.ssh/../
21:06.03kd8iktheh
21:06.03cjbno
21:06.19cjboh, yeah
21:06.22zashor cat somefile | ssh somehost 'cat > somefile' ...
21:06.27cjbI thought the .ssh was one earlier
21:06.35cjbyeah, this is how buffer overflows in filenames work :)
21:07.39kd8iktcopy/paste /.ssh/../.ssh/../ x100
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21:08.24kd8iktor werever the break is
21:08.36zash./*/.././*/*/../.././
21:09.09kd8ikti like making foldernames ...
21:09.35kd8ikti wonder if mkdir ". " would work
21:10.09kd8iktlol it does
21:10.47kd8iktsweet only someone might get suspicious there being two .'s listed in ls -a
21:11.35kd8ikt/home/kd8ikt/public_html/. /heh
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21:13.02bipakkd8ikt: ls -ap
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21:14.07kd8ikti'm bored
21:16.08dolf1074kd8ikt: fix the bugs in the trac of openmoko ;) :p
21:16.26bipakhrhr
21:20.06wurp2|workingkd8ikt: You can make directories or files with backspace in their names
21:21.20bipakhow do you escape a backspace? *g*
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21:22.24dolf1074two backspaces?
21:22.33bipaklol
21:22.43wurp2|workingtrying to remember... this was years ago on a solaris box
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21:32.16wurp2|workingbipak: touch `perl -e '$v="foo" . chr(8) . "p"; print "$v\n"'`
21:32.22wurp2|workingchr(8) is backspace
21:32.50bipakah :)
21:32.58bipakso this will result in foo<backspace>p
21:32.59bipak?
21:33.52wurp2|workingyep
21:34.01wurp2|workingwhich displays as fop
21:34.07lindi-wurp2|working: however nowadays when you hit backspace the terminal usually sends 0x7f
21:34.11lindi-wurp2|working: and not 0x4
21:34.24wurp2|workinglindi-: 0x4?
21:34.30lindi-s/4/8/
21:34.39wurp2|workinglindi-: ah, didn't know that
21:35.09lindi-wurp2|working: 1) strace -o strace.out -e read top 2) hit backspace 3) hit q to quit 4) editor strace.out and look for \177
21:35.57wurp2|workinghrm, on solaris, at least chr(8) has the desired behavior
21:36.13wurp2|workingon my debian server, chr(8) & chr(0x7f) both just display as foo?p
21:36.32wurp2|workinglindi-: octal makes me nauseous
21:36.38lindi-wurp2|working: gnu ls prints non-printable characters as "?"
21:36.50wurp2|workingwhy can't they use something sensible like base 11 or something
21:37.59lindi-<PROTECTED>
21:37.59lindi-<PROTECTED>
21:37.59lindi-p++;
21:37.59lindi-*q++ = '?';
21:38.15wurp2|workinghah
21:38.24wurp2|workingI believed you; I didn't need the source ;-)
21:38.35lindi-ls.c:3723
21:38.53wurp2|workingbetter than Sun's behavior
21:39.30KaZeRhow can one distingish a gta02v5 vs gta02v6 ?
21:40.02zashKaZeR: under the battery?
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21:41.16bmidgley1are there still qtopia images anywhere?
21:41.22bmidgley1the refs in the wiki are all 404
21:42.03johnHas anyone made a tarball of the qtExt filesystem avail?
21:43.37KaZeRzash, there is a sticker, or something? (i don't have a FR under hand yet)
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21:45.09zashKaZeR: i think so
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21:46.02bmidgley1I should say the neo1973 images are gone, FR images are there still
21:46.04bipakdoes anyone got arecord to run?
21:46.08bmidgley1for qtopia
21:46.21KaZeRzash, thanks.
21:47.05zashhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/harnir/2818638835/sizes/l/
21:47.14johnI wanna try the new qtExt, but don't have the right mods to convert jffs2 to a tarball and was hoping someone would have posted 1 by now )-:
21:47.26zashKaZeR: mabye not
21:47.35zashKaZeR: but somewhere in /sys or /proc i think
21:49.01KaZeRzash, you have a device under hand?
21:49.11philhugdoes anyone see 'failed to submit' instead of maps in om-locations?
21:49.12zashKaZeR: no
21:50.34KaZeRah ok. could anyone elaborate the /proc path ?
21:51.33wurp2|workingbmidgley1: http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6  (found on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia) works fine for me...
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21:51.48johnIs there a difference? I thought any v5's were going to be reworked before being sold.
21:52.20wurp2|workingjohn: 'tis what I thunk too
21:52.33zashhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_revisions#GTA02_A5_to_A6_changes
21:53.04zashdoesnt it say on the pcb at least?
21:53.37zashhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02a5_pcba_ps.JPG
21:53.56zashit says GTA02_MB_A5 there
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21:54.40zashbut iduno
21:55.42KaZeRthanks.
21:55.55KaZeRi'm about to buy a used one, i'd just like to be sure it's a v6
21:56.57zashif it says in /sys somewhere, mabye this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs
21:57.20zashhm, didnt find anything there
21:58.06johnAFAIK, the only un-modded v5's were only loaned to testers and their serial numbers are listed somewhere on the wiki.
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21:58.47KaZeRah thanks, i'm going to try to find them
21:59.31johnBut I could be wrong. At least it's a start.
22:03.10johnAny sign of lpotter recently?
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22:06.03LionKMPKaZeR: cat /proc/cpuinfo
22:06.26LionKMPRevision        : 0350
22:06.33LionKMPthat's mine, it is a v5.
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22:07.15KaZeRLionKMP, thanks
22:09.29sicuor you can use mickeyterm and the at+cgmr command
22:09.48KaZeRsicu, that's a tip for me?
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22:10.05sicuLionKMP: so 03 is the FR, and 5 is the revision?
22:10.21sicuKaZeR: yes, if you're using FSO
22:10.35LionKMPsicu: I don't know, the exact numbers are listed on the hardware page for the revisions.
22:10.50sicuok, found it: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Finding_hardware_revision
22:11.01LionKMPhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware#History
22:11.06KaZeRah great thanks
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22:17.41ljpjohn: pong
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22:23.03foq_hi all
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22:33.11KaZeRgood night ghys
22:33.19KaZeRs/gh/gu/g
22:33.32KaZeRwell. you got it.
22:33.34KaZeR++
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22:36.45sicui'm renaming my neo freerunner to neo toasterfrakker
22:39.37ljp:)
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22:58.09Davesummon mwester!
23:00.56johnHey Dave!
23:02.08sicuDave: --Not enough exp to summon mwester. To begin summoning, you must first complete the Wolf Whistle quest.
23:03.00Dave=[
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23:04.53Daveapt summon mwester
23:04.54aptapt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing mwester's coordinates
23:04.57Dave>:)
23:05.13sicuhaha
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23:05.45johnCan I use mwester's kernel with 2007.2 and get improved battery life?
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23:07.45johnI was hoping for Dave to answer.
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23:09.38azmodiewaves
23:09.54sicuin that case hope alone is not enough ... you need faith
23:10.36azmodieyeah faith can kick a lot of vampire butt, can you trust her ?
23:13.52DaveJohn, apply his patch for the gtk kernel? yes.
23:14.01DaveYou should be able to do so (though at your own risk) :)
23:15.15sicuif only john were still here ... he had no faith :p
23:16.08Dave:O
23:17.02sicusigh, i'm too tired to stay awake ... but need to finish this render :/
23:17.11sicu~wallop sicu
23:17.11aptACTION Grabs a rather large desk and bonks sicu about the head with it.
23:17.26sicuahh, that's better
23:17.44Dave:D
23:17.52DaveI can do you one better!
23:18.10Davepelts sicu with fifty freerunners.
23:18.13Davemuwahahaha
23:18.31sicuwoha ... that's called overdoing things :p
23:18.44Dave>:)
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23:21.12azmodiehi all, can i boot using kernel(uimage.bin) on same partition(sdcard) as rootfs ?
23:22.48edistar_azmodie: better to separate it..
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23:24.24azmodieedistar_: ok, thanks. plan was to add 3 diffrent versions on 8gb sd. i some thread on community list but lost it again.
23:25.13edistar_azmodie: you can put the kernel on the internal flash and different OSs on flash and the card.. shouldn't be a problem
23:25.41azmodieedistar_: cool, i'll try that. thanks
23:26.02edistar_azmodie: good luck! I have a setup with the kernel on flash and dualboot using the same kernel
23:26.13edistar_just have to watch out with the kernel modules..
23:26.31edistar_but if all the rootfs's are fairly up to date it shouldn't be a problem
23:27.36azmodiei have FDOM on flash and debian on sd. wanted to put qtopia back on sd. and one for testing others on.
23:28.20Daveqtopia on SD?
23:28.25Davehow did that work out, the first time? ;p
23:29.29edistar_qtopia on SD works for me
23:29.32edistar_well, it did
23:29.57azmodieqtopia 4.3.2 worked fine.
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23:31.28Dave:p
23:31.43Davedamn, I've got to get my hands on 4.4 >:)
23:32.34edistar_not too good
23:33.21sicuazmodie: http://nop0.blogspot.com/2008/09/having-multiple-distributions-on.html
23:34.49Davekinky
23:35.09Davetrekant? :D
23:35.15azmodiesicu: cheers, that the link i was looking for.
23:37.19sicuDave: haha, whatever floats your boat ^^
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23:39.26Dave;D
23:39.31Davesicu, that reminds me
23:39.40DaveI should tell you a story about that... ;)
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23:44.55Davebalrogkun!
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23:52.48balrog-kunlooks around
23:52.59balrog-kunon noo i've been noticed
23:53.22DaveTARGET ACQUIRED.
23:53.37DaveTARGET LOCK SUCCESSFUL.
23:53.38stepheltonwhat happened to the tasks app that was on the 2007.2? I think it was part of the pimlico project.
23:53.44DaveINITIATE PRIMARY LAUNCH SEQUENCE.
23:53.59zashpulls Daves power cord
23:54.02zashHM WHATS THIS?
23:54.06balrog-kunlaunches the decoy rockets
23:55.47Davehahahaha
23:56.08DaveLAUCH ALL MOKO
23:56.19balrog-kunNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
23:56.43balrog-kunehm,..
23:56.53zashsudo invoke-rc.d doomsdaymachine start
23:57.05donomodont worry, the moko's gps isnt accurate enough to hit anyone
23:57.48Wonkadepends on the accuracy needed
23:58.06Wonkawith a megaton bomb, you don't need submeter accuracy...
23:58.37Dave:D
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23:58.54zashping -b 255.255.255.255 --secret-selfdestruct-trigger
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23:59.56DaveZOMG

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