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| 00:24.13 | Sargun | Where can I find Sean Moss-Pultz? |
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| 00:36.37 | raster | not here |
| 00:37.04 | edistar | good morning |
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| 00:43.07 | davo_ | lol |
| 00:43.09 | davo_ | good job |
| 00:43.16 | davo_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Flashing&action=edit |
| 00:44.48 | davo_ | flashing openmoko should point at neotool |
| 00:44.59 | davo_ | not the flashing edit page |
| 00:45.10 | davo_ | which the average user isn't going to have access to |
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| 01:51.28 | edistar | ls |
| 01:52.30 | swc|666 | ls: command not found |
| 01:55.06 | si-m1 | ls: wrong window, try that one ------------> |
| 01:57.03 | swc|666 | ;) |
| 01:59.50 | balrog-kun | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.31 | lpotter | tessier: Qt Extended supports GPS |
| 02:20.13 | slaxxin | lpotter does qt ext have a full gps program or just a demo? |
| 02:20.38 | lpotter | demo |
| 02:20.58 | lpotter | but there are a couple 3rd party map/gps apps about somewhere |
| 02:21.07 | slaxxin | tango? |
| 02:21.12 | lpotter | nope. |
| 02:21.21 | lpotter | unless someone ported that to qt extended |
| 02:21.58 | slaxxin | navit? |
| 02:23.18 | slaxxin | citymap i guess? |
| 02:25.22 | lpotter | ya citymap I think |
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| 03:14.52 | slaxxin | checking out the latest openmoko |
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| 03:15.26 | slaxxin | 20080913 kernel hmmmm thats old |
| 03:15.47 | Dave | :D |
| 03:16.05 | slaxxin | what u running now dave? |
| 03:16.18 | swc|666 | 20920911 |
| 03:16.28 | slaxxin | lol |
| 03:16.37 | swc|666 | star trak edition* |
| 03:16.49 | slaxxin | transport me |
| 03:16.50 | Dave | :D |
| 03:16.55 | Dave | SHIELDS!!! |
| 03:16.55 | swc|666 | for sure |
| 03:17.15 | slaxxin | alian intrusion |
| 03:18.31 | slaxxin | houston's been blown off the map dallas ,,, u copy? |
| 03:18.49 | Dave | hope so :D |
| 03:18.57 | Dave | may as well, if they don't secede |
| 03:19.09 | Dave | just call our friendly neighborhood aliens in... to do the job! |
| 03:19.10 | Dave | :) |
| 03:19.57 | swc|666 | slaxxin: build your own |
| 03:20.05 | swc|666 | easy as 1-2-3 |
| 03:21.15 | slaxxin | what an ugly mess i would make |
| 03:21.24 | Dave | >:) |
| 03:21.27 | Dave | you always say that :p |
| 03:21.32 | Dave | then I laugh |
| 03:21.38 | swc|666 | although the x.26 git kernels seem to have some ugly debug crap |
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| 03:33.04 | lawnjart | hay has any one had luck getting gprs working under Qtopia 4.4 |
| 03:33.42 | swc|666 | lawnjart: gprs seems to be a fuggin pita lately |
| 03:34.04 | lawnjart | ok |
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| 03:35.45 | lawnjart | I may just switch back to Om 2008.9 i had it work ok, I'm just trying out the update. |
| 03:36.03 | swc|666 | werd |
| 03:37.30 | lawnjart | I really like how snappy qtopia is... |
| 03:38.18 | swc|666 | debian ftw |
| 03:38.33 | swc|666 | but thats another story* |
| 03:44.19 | lawnjart | roland 909 drum machine emulator http://lab.andre-michelle.com/fl-909 |
| 03:44.36 | lawnjart | has source code |
| 03:45.50 | sicu | welcomes the aliens and hopes for advanced technological assistance ... and perhaps a functional FR |
| 03:46.12 | ezekiel-v3 | So far on my FreeRunner - with FSO, SHR, OM2008.8 and OM2008.9 I can neither get a GPS fix, nor join my WPA wireless network using the gui tools (haven't setup USB networking yet)... is this normal? or possibly indicative of bad hardware? |
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| 03:47.05 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke * r034d6f2531d7 10/src/settings/systemtime/ (settime.cpp settime.h): [date] Disable setting hour format in our build |
| 03:47.06 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke * r8e221b086d95 10/src/applications/addressbook/abeditor.cpp: [sim editor] Have a frame so that it is under windowmanager control |
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| 03:47.19 | ezekiel-v3 | GPRS also does not seem to work |
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| 04:45.16 | davo_ | is the default root password on the openmoko empty? |
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| 04:46.37 | mwester | Yep |
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| 08:21.51 | PBeck | hallo |
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| 08:24.34 | devo | http://lwn.net/Articles/299483/ |
| 08:24.48 | leinir | The eee article? |
| 08:24.56 | devo | yep |
| 08:24.56 | leinir | *clicks* Ah, yeah ;) |
| 08:25.16 | devo | I was discussing boot time a few days ago |
| 08:25.32 | devo | and it was considered "hard" |
| 08:27.33 | zash | pros and cons of saving the state of a new-booted system and loading that like hibernate? |
| 08:29.02 | Shlee | Once you know exactly wants required. readahead is a good point |
| 08:29.23 | Shlee | I'm sure people will look into it.. |
| 08:31.02 | devo | zash: in the steady that is the way to go |
| 08:31.19 | devo | zash: but if you make configuration changes |
| 08:34.39 | zash | devo: then you reboot as normal and overwrite the saved state |
| 08:37.12 | devo | yup |
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| 09:07.04 | edje | hi all, does anyone know a wifi setup that works reliable? with encryption better then wep |
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| 09:07.28 | edje | (2008.latest or 2007.2) |
| 09:09.10 | emonkey-t | 2008.8 works fine for me |
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| 09:09.27 | edje | with what kind of encryption? |
| 09:10.55 | bipak_ | edje: http://n2.nabble.com/-2008.9--Wifi-very-unreliable-td1128409.html |
| 09:11.05 | bipak_ | this thread might have an answer for you |
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| 09:13.02 | edje | ok, i will read down to the bottom, the top part seems all to familiar ;-) |
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| 09:13.19 | bipak_ | yep :) |
| 09:13.39 | bipak_ | as i remember correctly there was someone with a solution for WPA |
| 09:14.14 | bipak_ | didn't tried it so far, though |
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| 09:18.57 | edje | yes, it looks promissing. i will play with it some more. thanks foor the pointer ! |
| 09:20.01 | bipak_ | good luck :) |
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| 09:24.42 | edje | thank, i feel that i need that :-) |
| 09:25.50 | bipak_ | :)) |
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| 09:36.17 | peter-b | hi |
| 09:36.47 | peter-b | does anyone know if there are any usable korea maps for tangogps ? |
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| 09:56.13 | jopk | hi |
| 09:56.19 | edje | bipak_: it doesn;t seem to help.... stil no connection is made |
| 09:57.22 | bipak_ | edje: you cant connect even once? |
| 09:57.54 | jopk | how can I change network settings on a new flashed 2008.9 image? I already lost ssh connection, so is there a way to edit files directly on the freerunner? |
| 09:58.13 | edje | no. i had it working once, but it fails ever since |
| 09:58.29 | zash | no terminal app? |
| 09:58.59 | jopk | no terminal app. |
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| 10:21.36 | devo | do you really need a working networking stack to upgrade? |
| 10:22.06 | dns53 | well you can install packages locally |
| 10:22.20 | devo | :/ |
| 10:22.42 | devo | that sounds dubious |
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| 10:22.58 | devo | I think the safe thing to do is point the boot loader at the micro sd |
| 10:23.25 | devo | so you never have to rely on the system being intact beyond basic boot |
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| 10:31.29 | gromez | quick question: with which distro there's not the echo problem ? |
| 10:32.05 | rwhitby | depending on who you ask, none or all. |
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| 10:35.01 | gromez | i'm asking the ones who didn't reported any problems :) |
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| 10:46.21 | TeNoVi | Hi! I tried to follow the instructions of how to install RoadMap into Qtopia, but when I try to unpack the files from the tgz, I get the "tar: invalid tar magic". Anyone hwo knows what to do? |
| 10:47.40 | moo--- | TeNoVi: are you running gunzip properly? |
| 10:47.49 | moo--- | TeNoVi: tar -xzf file.tgz? |
| 10:47.55 | max_posedon | TeNoVi, file tut.tgz |
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| 10:48.25 | max_posedon | (just foo checking what kind of file is it). |
| 10:48.44 | TeNoVi | I'm not an expert in Linux yet, but in the guide, it tells me to do "tar -xvpf roadmap.tgz", but is the "-xvpf" part right? |
| 10:49.08 | max_posedon | add -z |
| 10:49.18 | max_posedon | -xzvpf |
| 10:49.46 | TeNoVi | TY. I think that did the trich |
| 10:49.48 | TeNoVi | *trick |
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| 10:51.23 | TeNoVi | But I still can't get the rest to work (http://www.linux4.be/fr/roadmap.html) |
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| 11:06.38 | max_posedon | TeNoVi, I followed the instructions, and all works for me. |
| 11:07.02 | max_posedon | I just exept ". ./opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.env" did ". ./opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/qpe.env" |
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| 11:15.45 | TeNoVi | max_posedon: Hmm, yes. I think I might be on the right way or something. Thank You... I'll try a bit more. |
| 11:17.26 | fish_ | re |
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| 11:30.43 | deever | anyone else here with #1841: "white screen of death (WSOD) after resume"? |
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| 11:38.23 | SpeedEvil | There was someone else asking that a bit ago |
| 11:38.30 | SpeedEvil | Oh. |
| 11:38.33 | SpeedEvil | I think it was you. |
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| 11:58.55 | lindi- | deever: does it happen to you with all kernels? |
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| 12:01.15 | deever | lindi-: at least with the one in the qtopia image |
| 12:02.11 | lindi- | deever: can you try some other kernel? |
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| 12:06.58 | deever | lindi-: i'll try asap...do you know one working with the trolltech qtopia rootfs? |
| 12:07.12 | lindi- | deever: i haven't managed to compile qtopia |
| 12:07.47 | deever | no, binary i mean |
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| 12:08.13 | lindi- | deever: i can't develop software i can't compile |
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| 12:12.52 | deever | lindi-: ? |
| 12:13.09 | deever | i was speaking about using, not developing yet...;) |
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| 12:21.53 | gromez | deever: using latest mwester kernel with qtextended rootfs and it works |
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| 12:23.00 | deever | gromez: sure? and where can i find it? |
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| 12:23.33 | gromez | deever: http://moko.mwester.net/download/uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin |
| 12:24.15 | mwester | Don't forget the modules, especially if you'll be trying anything with wifi and encryption. |
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| 12:25.51 | deever | and this works with the qtopia rootfs from qtopia.net? |
| 12:26.28 | gromez | deever: it's qtextended now : qtextended.org |
| 12:27.17 | deever | gromez: yes but the file i downloaded is still named qtopia |
| 12:28.04 | mwester | deever: The kernel should be the same between *all* the different images out there. Especially if you download and install the matching modules. |
| 12:28.28 | mwester | So that kernel had better work on all the existing images,not just Qt Extended or Qtopia. |
| 12:28.59 | john | mwester. I'm planning to try your kernel with qtExtended today. Any gotchas? |
| 12:28.59 | deever | fine! :) |
| 12:29.34 | deever | mwester: and the modules, do i need them to install separately or what? |
| 12:31.02 | john | So, I'll need your kernel and modules and the qtExtended from http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/ |
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| 12:31.09 | john | Is that it? |
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| 12:34.06 | lindi- | deever: but if i can't compile it now i can't develop it tomorrow :) |
| 12:34.33 | mwester | deever: Yep, the modules should be copied to the FR, and then just cd to "/", and untar them -- they'll end up in /lib/modules/<funcky-dir-name>.... |
| 12:34.54 | mwester | lindi-: What isn't working? |
| 12:35.22 | mwester | john: or you go directly: http://moko.mwester.net/ |
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| 12:37.04 | jopk | hi |
| 12:38.52 | jopk | I can't get usb internet access on 2008.9 . I configured it as i did it on 2007.2 and 08.8 . any hints? |
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| 12:41.58 | jopk | I can ping my computer, but not outside. configuration on the computer is still the same as it was with the other images, so the problem seems to be on neo's side. where to start troubleshooting? |
| 12:43.26 | gromez | jopk: /etc/resolv.conf is ok ? |
| 12:44.18 | jopk | there's 1 line: nameserver 208.67.222.222 . is that ok? |
| 12:46.39 | jopk | I think it had been the same on the other images... |
| 12:47.24 | Kensan | jopk: can you ping a host in your lan from the Neo-side? |
| 12:48.36 | deever | mwester: but what is special in this? /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ always contains the kernel's modules? |
| 12:48.59 | jopk | Kensan, is the router a host? I can ping my laptop where the neo is connected to |
| 12:49.35 | mwester | Kensan: Nothing special, just that the modules to download match the kernel |
| 12:50.04 | mwester | Kensan: You can have Very Bad Things happen if they mismatch... |
| 12:50.59 | Kensan | mwester: those comments were destined for deever I guess? |
| 12:51.02 | Kensan | ;) |
| 12:51.22 | Kensan | jopk: try to ping the router |
| 12:51.44 | jopk | it does send packages, but 100% loss |
| 12:52.08 | jopk | (from my laptop pinging the router is fine) |
| 12:52.27 | Kensan | jopk: is your laptop forwarding the packets? |
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| 12:52.58 | Kensan | jopk: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 12:54.30 | jopk | it's a windows machine |
| 12:55.06 | jopk | all I know is that it worked with the other images using a shared connection |
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| 12:56.01 | Kensan | jopk: hm ok. Is the shared connection setup properly? I don't know how to setup networking with the Neo on windows i am afraid. Maybe there's some info in the wiki. |
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| 13:08.41 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r483c4454de20 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get two bugfixes |
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| 13:10.58 | lesouvage | If I turn on bluetooth it can't be found by other devices. Where do I set the device discoverable for other devices when using bluetooth. I run the latest fdom distribution. WIth config I can just turn it on and of. |
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| 13:11.37 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4e797f9d30c3 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/ (channel.py unsolicited.py): ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] prepare for checking recamping bug and set AEC + Noise Reduction to -6db |
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| 13:15.11 | YurY_9 | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/7714722/ |
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| 13:29.09 | GNUtoo-desktop | hello, i missed a call with FSO(testing version) and I did an AT+CPBS="ME" then AT+CPBR=? then AT+CPBR=1,10 all with the framework gsm debug...and it didn't give me the missed call |
| 13:30.04 | lindi- | mwester: make openmoko-qtopia-x11-image says 'NOTE: Task failed: Unknown fetch Error: [Errno 20] Not a directory: '/home/lindi/l/openmoko/mokomakefile/sources/git/anongit.freedesktop.org.git.packagekit/813fa8cfb139246cf180d52895b52b28616ae2f5/git/backends/apt.deprecated/helpers/packagekit'' |
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| 13:42.07 | lesouvage | Can somebody please tell me how I can set my fdom freerunner "bluetooth discoverable". Or is this an option not available with fdom? |
| 13:43.13 | lesouvage | I googled for info on this issue but I couldn't find anything. |
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| 13:59.58 | lestat | hi |
| 14:00.24 | lesouvage | lestat: hello |
| 14:00.48 | lestat | i've installed openmoko 2008, it's working fine, but i can't find how to quit the graphical package manager |
| 14:01.21 | lestat | each time i click on "remove" it fails to clean the /usr/lib/opkg/lock |
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| 14:13.11 | JaMa | is there qtopia tar.gz image for usage on sd card? |
| 14:13.20 | JaMa | I have found only jffs2 of 4.4.1.. |
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| 14:15.16 | LionKMP | did you try these? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia |
| 14:15.25 | LionKMP | (I don't know the answer.) |
| 14:15.51 | LionKMP | ah, you are trying, but there is no tar.gz :) |
| 14:16.06 | LionKMP | jffs2 should be mountable with loopback |
| 14:16.24 | JaMa | LionKMP: there is only 4.3.2-290808 |
| 14:17.41 | lindi- | LionKMP: just use mtdram |
| 14:20.40 | LionKMP | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Converting_a_GTA02_image_for_GTA01 |
| 14:20.45 | LionKMP | wow, is that really possible and that easy? |
| 14:21.03 | lindi- | sure |
| 14:21.15 | lindi- | re mounting jffs2 |
| 14:21.21 | lindi- | i don't know about rest of the file |
| 14:22.00 | LionKMP | ok. that was JaMa's problem, he wants .tar.gz of Qtopia but only jffs2 is available. Isn't it as easy as : mount, copy -cpr ? |
| 14:28.02 | john | Damn! I don't have the mtd tools and I'm too lazy to re-compile my kernel. |
| 14:29.00 | lindi- | luckily debian kernels have almost all modules :) |
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| 15:03.27 | CYR | !es |
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| 15:20.24 | dos1 | hey, who are using 2007.2 and want to set different ringtones for incoming dial and sms? ;> |
| 15:20.48 | dos1 | here - http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/phone-kit - is a patched version of phone-kit |
| 15:20.56 | dos1 | in /etc/pulse/session you can set load-sample ringtone_sms /path/to/your/sms/ringtone.wav |
| 15:20.58 | lindi- | dos1: i'm not using that but i'd like to find some DFSG-free ringtones |
| 15:21.08 | dos1 | restart pulseaudio and X, and you have different ringtone for sms :) |
| 15:21.45 | dos1 | patches and package i will share later, now i'm afk ;] |
| 15:22.15 | lindi- | dos1: sharing binaries? huh |
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| 15:38.19 | lawnjart | i'd really like to see some youtube videos of debian on the Freerunner. that's the distro i'm most looking forward to running. |
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| 15:52.38 | MadTBone | I assume that dyntick=enable in the uboot bootargs is for power saving. Are there any problems associated with it? Are there better ways currently available? |
| 15:55.50 | mwester | Kernel doesn't do dyntick yet |
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| 16:10.03 | _Guhit | Does anyone have instructions or a link to instructions for setting up wifi on the qtextended image? It's the first qtopia image that actually seems to work for me so I'd actually like to try things out. |
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| 16:12.46 | lastminutesturk_ | war schon lottoziehung?? |
| 16:13.34 | lastminutesturk_ | WAR SCHON LOTTOZIEHUNG |
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| 16:43.34 | john | Anyone running the new qtext-4.4.1? Anyone got a tarball?? |
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| 17:02.25 | hama_ | john: u mean http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 ? |
| 17:04.42 | LionKMP | he means .tar.gz, those are .jffs2 |
| 17:05.31 | Tm_T | as in, he doesn't like to have root image, but root in simple tar package |
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| 17:19.35 | Toaster` | hrm, I can't seem to find the listing on the wiki for the testing repo for Om2008. Anyone have a link? Or the repo line? |
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| 17:22.16 | bbs | hey all |
| 17:22.20 | bbs | i'm going to buy a neo |
| 17:22.29 | bbs | but! -- i need to know how the email support it |
| 17:22.32 | bbs | s/it/is |
| 17:22.52 | bbs | i'll be hacking the phone a lot -- i just do work on lkml and other large lists -- so i would like to know about durability and email |
| 17:23.25 | SpeedEvil | bbs: you mean freerunner? |
| 17:23.36 | bbs | yes |
| 17:23.49 | bbs | i'm extremely excited about the product |
| 17:23.51 | SpeedEvil | At teh moment it's basically not reliable or present in all images. |
| 17:23.53 | bbs | it will be my main handset |
| 17:24.01 | SpeedEvil | A bad idea. |
| 17:24.10 | bbs | i mean -- i run everything on my machine alpha |
| 17:24.13 | SpeedEvil | It's not really ready for that. |
| 17:24.18 | SpeedEvil | It's not alpha. |
| 17:25.00 | SpeedEvil | It's really pre-pre-pre alpha in most cases. |
| 17:25.00 | bbs | ok |
| 17:25.00 | SpeedEvil | There are some images that work mostly. |
| 17:25.00 | SpeedEvil | But there is no guarantee that the next image will actually work reliably. |
| 17:25.00 | bbs | my sim chip says it will work |
| 17:25.02 | SpeedEvil | Or do complex stuff like - for example make calls. |
| 17:25.14 | bbs | lol |
| 17:25.22 | LionKMP | :-) |
| 17:25.44 | bbs | thats cool |
| 17:25.48 | bbs | i still think i want to get one |
| 17:25.52 | SpeedEvil | It is fun. |
| 17:25.55 | bbs | perhaps not as a main handset |
| 17:26.12 | bbs | SpeedEvil: ok since we are tlaking dev stuff -- how is the code _base_ for the email program |
| 17:26.15 | bbs | do you know what language its in |
| 17:26.22 | SpeedEvil | But at the moment, it's a very small pentium-II class laptop with an ISA 3D video card, and some sort-of-phone software. |
| 17:26.57 | bbs | i thought it was arm 500 mhz |
| 17:27.06 | bbs | SpeedEvil: and still iw ant to know about email status |
| 17:27.17 | dos1 | lindi-: yes, i was sharing binaries, because i had to go out ;p |
| 17:27.26 | dos1 | lindi-: now i'm creating diffs |
| 17:27.32 | SpeedEvil | bbs: none of the images I used had any email client |
| 17:27.37 | SpeedEvil | I've used |
| 17:27.40 | bbs | ok |
| 17:27.47 | SpeedEvil | ~fso |
| 17:27.48 | apt | rumour has it, fso is the freesmartphone.org software release. It includes the backbone software for the phone hardware (and some other things) and a working dialer, and not much else. |
| 17:27.53 | SpeedEvil | ~asu |
| 17:27.54 | apt | [asu] the April Software Update, an release name for a OpenMoko distribution. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan. |
| 17:28.00 | SpeedEvil | ~qtopia |
| 17:28.01 | apt | methinks qtopia is Trolltech's comprehensive application platform for embedded Linux based PDAs, mobile phones, web pads, and other mobile computing devices. Engineered in Brisbane Australia. http://qtopia.net | #qtopia |
| 17:29.34 | Toaster` | hrm, I can't seem to find the listing on the wiki for the testing repo for Om2008. Anyone have a link? Or the repo line? |
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| 17:33.00 | dos1 | http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/another_ringtone_for_sms.patch |
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| 17:34.03 | dos1 | apply it to openmoko-dialer2/src/phone-kit |
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| 18:52.44 | slaxxin | my sdcard is not mounted yet i still get that warning |
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| 19:24.15 | _Guhit | Can anyone get GPRS or Wifi (WPA+TKIP) to work with the qt extended 4.4.1 image? |
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| 19:37.46 | tux_freerunner | ciao |
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| 19:51.07 | Daverix | want to know when OM2008.10 is going to be released. |
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| 20:06.01 | _Guhit | Staticwave_Ace: which distro/image? |
| 20:06.07 | Staticwave_Ace | qt 4.4.1 |
| 20:06.15 | Staticwave_Ace | whatever that newest one is |
| 20:06.29 | _Guhit | Settings -> Internet |
| 20:06.37 | _Guhit | Option -> Add |
| 20:06.41 | Staticwave_Ace | yeah I've seen that |
| 20:06.41 | _Guhit | Options |
| 20:07.23 | Staticwave_Ace | from there on its not quite as clear |
| 20:07.58 | _Guhit | Add the wireless network and enter the info |
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| 20:09.45 | Staticwave_Ace | wireless networks -> why can't I just scan? |
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| 20:09.51 | Staticwave_Ace | what's with filling in all this stuff |
| 20:11.08 | _Guhit | There should be scan option in the menu, but you're still going to have to fill in most of the info |
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| 20:52.02 | Arhuaco | has a neo1973 GTA01 that doesn't want to charge... I got it from a friend who had it stored for a few months. |
| 20:52.31 | SpeedEvil | Arhuaco: do you have a voltmeter? |
| 20:52.43 | mjr | standard procedure: remove battery for a minute, then reinsert, plug in, let it be for several hours before attempting to power up |
| 20:52.46 | Arhuaco | SpeedEvil, not at this time. |
| 20:52.58 | SpeedEvil | Arhuaco: do you have a phased plasma rifle in the 40w range? |
| 20:54.07 | Arhuaco | SpeedEvil: :-) |
| 20:54.22 | SpeedEvil | Plugging it in and leaving it for several hours is a good plan though. |
| 20:54.31 | Arhuaco | Ok. Will try. |
| 20:54.35 | Arhuaco | I did that tonight but in a laptop.... |
| 20:55.13 | mjr | shouldn't matter really, as long as it was on |
| 20:55.19 | Arhuaco | And this morning it did turn on, but it would not fast-charge. Thus I'm trying to update the image. |
| 20:55.40 | mjr | ah, okay. Well then, it's not completely borked at least. |
| 20:56.01 | Arhuaco | mjr, yes, it's not bricked .... |
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| 20:56.37 | Arhuaco | I tried uploading a new image (2008.9) but it seems the partition I have cannot hold the rootfs. Thus I'll try to upload an older image, 2007.2. (I wanna try Debian). |
| 20:56.52 | Arhuaco | I wish I had an external fast-charger :-) |
| 20:57.16 | SpeedEvil | Arhuaco: have you connected it to a powered hub, or directly to a motherboard port? |
| 20:57.27 | Arhuaco | Directly, SpeedEvil. |
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| 21:06.15 | torero | hello ppl, i want to test a new 8gb sd card, what should i do? i just put it in and didnt recognize it |
| 21:06.42 | torero | im using om 2008.8 |
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| 21:12.03 | slaxxin | how do i make 2008.9 let go of my sdcard |
| 21:12.27 | slaxxin | so i can put qtopia or something on it |
| 21:12.43 | Arhuaco | I think what the answer will be... but let's ask. If I put 5V with the correct polarity I can damage the battery, right? |
| 21:12.48 | Arhuaco | (I have a 5V charger for a phone I had...). |
| 21:13.00 | Arhuaco | Let's not risk the battery... :-) |
| 21:13.36 | slaxxin | maybe anold nokia phone to charge the battery |
| 21:14.13 | mwester_ | Arhuaco: just leave it in the phone. Plug the phone into a Linux system on a port that can do |
| 21:14.22 | mwester_ | 500ma, then bring up u-boot |
| 21:14.38 | slaxxin | check the contacts on the phone an see if the battery will line up |
| 21:14.41 | mwester_ | and use the "fast -charge" menu item to turn off the backlight and enter full 500ma charge |
| 21:15.03 | slaxxin | yay |
| 21:15.09 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.36 | LionKMP | mabye this one could help too: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Nokia-charging-stand.jpg |
| 21:18.20 | Arhuaco | Ok, I'll try. (I don't remember that option when I saw U-boot. This phone must have old software). |
| 21:18.30 | Arhuaco | LionKMP, I'll get one when I have the chance. Thanks. |
| 21:18.34 | Arhuaco | Trying... |
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| 21:28.59 | Dave | moo |
| 21:31.22 | slaxxin | hay dave where do i set the default ip on 2008.9? |
| 21:31.29 | gromez | latest raster image is really nice |
| 21:31.52 | Dave | slaxin, I have no idea |
| 21:31.59 | slaxxin | welp |
| 21:32.03 | Dave | I don't use the shittiest software ever invented :) |
| 21:32.12 | slaxxin | qt? |
| 21:32.18 | slaxxin | fso |
| 21:32.23 | slaxxin | debian? |
| 21:32.38 | Dave | wtf? |
| 21:32.39 | slaxxin | SLACKWARE??::)) |
| 21:32.39 | Dave | bbq? |
| 21:32.44 | Dave | roflcopter |
| 21:33.30 | slaxxin | ooo noo |
| 21:33.45 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.20 | slaxxin | n |
| 21:34.42 | lesouvage | I downloaded map data using tangogps. The download is finished but now map appears on the screen. Is there another step to take? |
| 21:34.51 | slaxxin | u use em all dont u u hacker |
| 21:34.55 | lesouvage | now=no |
| 21:34.56 | Wonka | scroll around a little |
| 21:35.13 | Wonka | or hit autocenter |
| 21:35.13 | sicu | roflcopter alert, tche tche, soi soi |
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| 21:35.30 | lesouvage | wonka: thanks |
| 21:35.34 | Dave | all squadrons, engage! |
| 21:35.53 | sicu | =] |
| 21:36.58 | rooly|away | anyone powered a joystick or gamepad on their phone yet? |
| 21:37.34 | torero | are there some instructions on how to try a 8gb sd card |
| 21:39.03 | lesouvage | wonka: other tango users show up on the screen, but no map appears until the whole of Europe is on the map. |
| 21:39.21 | Wonka | mh |
| 21:40.01 | Wonka | lesouvage: how much did you download? |
| 21:40.16 | Wonka | torero: "put it in"? |
| 21:40.50 | lesouvage | btw: I have a congres coming week about "the future of presence" and it is about what to do with presence information and how to benifit from it. Tangogps is a real hot example of what the future ill bring us in regards to presence info. |
| 21:40.59 | torero | Wonka: tried it |
| 21:41.25 | lesouvage | Wonka: the counter starts at round 1500 |
| 21:41.57 | Wonka | mh. no idea. |
| 21:42.38 | torero | wow, trying a fdisk on the /dev/mmcblk0p1 messed X |
| 21:42.54 | Wonka | torero: i put mine in, booted, fdisk-ed /dev/mmcblk0 to have a first primary partition, mkfs.ext3'd /dev/mmcblk0p1, and mounted that. |
| 21:42.55 | torero | i got a "white noise" like thing |
| 21:43.31 | Dave | o_O |
| 21:44.25 | gromez | my 8gb card works fine with the last kernels, no more glamo option to put in u-boot, it's great |
| 21:46.58 | gromez | did someone use raster image ? some apps i've installed (like tangogps) didn't appear in the menu and if i create a symlink in appshadow, after a reboot, icon has gone |
| 21:49.34 | lesouvage | Wonka: I changed from openstreetmap to googlemap. Googlemap is working:-) |
| 21:49.41 | Wonka | oh. |
| 21:49.42 | lesouvage | :-) |
| 21:49.55 | Wonka | never had problems with OSM |
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| 21:52.34 | lesouvage | I'm a big fan of opensource and open content so I really would like to see OSM work. |
| 21:54.20 | lesouvage | Wonka: do you have any advice how to get it working? |
| 21:54.59 | Wonka | no |
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| 22:02.55 | sicu | gromez: raster has stripped down the image ... so you would encounter a lot of missing dependancies before you get things like gsm and gps back to a working state |
| 22:04.55 | sicu | removed frameworkd etc |
| 22:05.27 | lesouvage | Strange: on the map of tangogps I am positioned about 200 m from the place where I actually are. Should gps not be almost pin point acurate? |
| 22:05.56 | gromez | sicu: i've installed frameworkd from fso unstable feed but didn't test it with my sim card |
| 22:06.10 | Dave | haha |
| 22:06.22 | mwester | lesouvage: Yes, but the earth's crust moves... ;) |
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| 22:06.45 | mwester | (surely the FR's gps is accurate!) |
| 22:06.52 | SpeedEvil | lesouvage: well... |
| 22:06.57 | SpeedEvil | lesouvage: several issues. |
| 22:07.08 | SpeedEvil | A) People tag sometimes from yahoo satellite imagery. |
| 22:07.16 | SpeedEvil | This can be on rare occasions kilometers off. |
| 22:07.29 | SpeedEvil | B) Accidental drags of map elements - it happens. |
| 22:07.45 | SpeedEvil | C) GPS may be not working very well. |
| 22:08.55 | SpeedEvil | Or are you talking of google maps? |
| 22:09.20 | sicu | and this all corelates to wether you chose the red or the blue pill |
| 22:09.50 | lesouvage | It is funny, I see myself waking around in the neighbeirhood while I'm in the house. Strange is that it is a straight line of around 500 meters and I'm walking that line up and down. |
| 22:10.15 | SpeedEvil | Ah - right. |
| 22:10.26 | SpeedEvil | You've got a very restricted set of satellites you're connected to. |
| 22:10.34 | SpeedEvil | Probably only 3 or 4. |
| 22:10.38 | SpeedEvil | And a bad signal to those. |
| 22:11.43 | SpeedEvil | Try moving outside. |
| 22:12.30 | lesouvage | SpeedEvil: it is raining cats and dog (and animals) outside. Now way I'm going to walk :-) |
| 22:12.49 | SpeedEvil | Or moving it next to a window. |
| 22:12.52 | mwester | :) Perhaps an external GPS antenna would help. |
| 22:13.09 | mwester | I need one of those myself, if I can ever figure out what sort of connector to get |
| 22:14.21 | lesouvage | mwester: as far I kno it one of the extras you can order from a freerunner reseller. |
| 22:14.31 | SpeedEvil | mwester: the mwe: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8859 I think |
| 22:15.56 | sicu | mwester, lesouvage: yest, that one would work .... it needs to be a MMCX connector |
| 22:16.43 | sicu | s/yest/yes |
| 22:18.26 | jones__ | what sort of antenna can you use with gps |
| 22:18.46 | SpeedEvil | jones__: the above one I linked mwester to. |
| 22:19.16 | Tig| | jones__: where are you based as in the UK maplins do one for a fiver :) |
| 22:19.34 | SpeedEvil | The above site ships you one for a fiver :) |
| 22:19.35 | jones__ | aberdeen |
| 22:19.59 | jones__ | noice,i get my freerunner tomorrow, i think my student loan could strectch an antenna too |
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| 22:20.47 | Tig| | SpeedEvil: ooo cool :) |
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| 22:28.42 | lesouvage | Wonka: what zoom level should I download? |
| 22:28.57 | Wonka | depends |
| 22:29.05 | Wonka | biggest is useful |
| 22:29.22 | Wonka | that would be 17 with OSM |
| 22:29.42 | Wonka | i regularly use levels down to 14, sometimes 11 |
| 22:29.54 | Wonka | less big ones really not so often |
| 22:30.00 | lesouvage | Wonka: 17 what? |
| 22:30.06 | Wonka | zoom level 17 |
| 22:30.29 | Wonka | but the less big levels might be useful when you want to get an overview over big regions |
| 22:30.56 | lesouvage | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.19 | Wonka | that's relative to the current zoom level |
| 22:31.31 | sicu | SpeedEvil: wouldn't it be better with an omnidirectional gps antenna? seeing as the FR is a handheld device ... ? |
| 22:31.34 | Wonka | what you see on the screen is already downloaded |
| 22:31.40 | SpeedEvil | sigius: that is moni |
| 22:32.17 | sicu | SpeedEvil: true ... but they are getting cheaper =] |
| 22:32.22 | lesouvage | Wonka : it a list with options not the maps itself |
| 22:32.44 | Wonka | lesouvage: so, if your current level is 11, and you download +1, it would download all level 12 tiles needed for what's on your screen now |
| 22:33.01 | SpeedEvil | 4 tiles |
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| 22:33.17 | Wonka | lesouvage: if you download +3, it would download all tiles needed for what's on your screen now from level 12, 13, 14 and 15 |
| 22:33.18 | SpeedEvil | you can now zoom once, and scroll in the area of the original screen |
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| 22:34.38 | Wonka | btw, debian has a tangogps package too |
| 22:35.45 | lesouvage | Wonka: thanks for the info. |
| 22:35.48 | Wonka | np |
| 22:36.28 | lesouvage | Wonka: is there a debian image available to flash to the freerunner? |
| 22:36.45 | Wonka | don't know of any. |
| 22:36.48 | slaxxin | an auto installer |
| 22:37.13 | Wonka | wouldn't be usable anyway, because you need more than 256MB for a minimal debian with X |
| 22:37.18 | lesouvage | slaxxin: is it as easy as the term auto installer suggests? |
| 22:37.27 | Wonka | yes. |
| 22:37.37 | Wonka | it installs debian on your microsd |
| 22:38.02 | Wonka | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian |
| 22:38.23 | slaxxin | get u some microscope eyegkasses to do it right |
| 22:39.16 | Wonka | lol |
| 22:39.36 | slaxxin | just read past the command to install itt so u use the one to set up a fat partition |
| 22:39.57 | slaxxin | then its auto |
| 22:40.40 | slaxxin | first u have to make whatever didtro u have on flash to let go of the sdcard |
| 22:41.31 | mjr | you could fit debian on the internal flash (barely) but apparently there was some issues with mmap and jffs2 |
| 22:42.00 | mjr | (recall jffs2 is compressed) |
| 22:42.29 | slaxxin | mjr is it killall qpe? |
| 22:43.00 | sicu | what's the difference between passive and active gps antenna ? |
| 22:43.44 | SpeedEvil | sigius: active have an amp inside. |
| 22:43.49 | SpeedEvil | cu: |
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| 22:45.27 | sicu | SpeedEvil: ok, thx =] |
| 22:46.35 | Dave | sicu it! |
| 22:46.52 | sicu | :p |
| 22:47.13 | lesouvage | Wonka: does debian it fits on a 512 mB sd card? |
| 22:49.24 | Wonka | depends on how much you want to install |
| 22:49.39 | Wonka | and not much else will fit |
| 22:50.17 | Wonka | will try if he fits into his bed now... |
| 22:54.06 | sicu | so, does the FR's GPS antenna entrance provide a DC voltage ... or is it not compatible with active GPS antennas? |
| 22:54.29 | sicu | and what about Omnidirectional GPS Antennas ... or dows it not make any difference? |
| 22:54.58 | SpeedEvil | sicu: the one I mentioned works wioth it. |
| 22:55.00 | Wonka | non-omnidirectional GPS antennas don't make much sense if not on a gps satellite, nor? |
| 22:55.28 | Wonka | since GPS satellites can be about everywhere in the sky |
| 22:55.48 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: they make sense for research purposes - little else. |
| 22:56.06 | lesouvage | Debian is coming to my freerunner :-) |
| 22:56.17 | Wonka | and afaik the FR can provide DC for active GPS antennas |
| 22:56.24 | sicu | SpeedEvil: ok, thanks for the info =] |
| 22:56.52 | lesouvage | The install script stopped :-( |
| 22:57.39 | mjr | IIRC the debian archive is broken for arm for libcaca and therefore gstreamer and therefore fso framework dependencies |
| 22:57.54 | lindi- | the bug was fixed today |
| 22:57.59 | mjr | okay |
| 22:58.14 | lindi- | and package with the fix has been built, it just hasn't reached ftp.debian.org yet |
| 22:58.45 | Dave | bugs bugs bugs |
| 22:58.52 | Dave | They're everywhere! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah! |
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| 23:00.31 | Wonka | sicu: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/External_GPS_antennas |
| 23:00.49 | sicu | Dave, you should've known bettern than to buy 10 FR's if you do not like insects :p |
| 23:01.22 | Tig| | ducks and covers |
| 23:01.32 | sicu | Wonka: thanks =] |
| 23:02.05 | Arhuaco | SpeedEvil, Neo1973 recovered :-) |
| 23:02.26 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:02.33 | Arhuaco | I must admit that I used an external charger =/ |
| 23:02.49 | Arhuaco | Now it is charging with 500ma.... |
| 23:02.54 | Arhuaco | With USB. |
| 23:03.58 | Arhuaco | BBL. |
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| 23:07.14 | lesouvage | The debian install script shows a message: rdate: timeout connecting to time server". |
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| 23:09.25 | lindi- | lesouvage: tcpdump? |
| 23:11.34 | mjr | lesouvage, oh and yes, debian will (barely) fit on a 512MB card |
| 23:13.07 | Dave | Speedevil |
| 23:17.46 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_and_Violet_Hilton |
| 23:17.50 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 23:17.51 | DocScrutinizer | <sicu> so, does the FR's GPS antenna entrance provide a DC voltage ... or is it not compatible with active GPS antennas? |
| 23:18.02 | SpeedEvil | Tehre is power supplied. |
| 23:18.08 | SpeedEvil | By both FR and neo |
| 23:18.08 | DocScrutinizer | FR supports external active GPS ant |
| 23:18.17 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 23:18.46 | DocScrutinizer | recently bought a dirt cheap one |
| 23:19.06 | jones__ | how recent can i expect the image on my freerunner to be |
| 23:19.12 | jones__ | its delivered tomorrow |
| 23:19.15 | DocScrutinizer | though it's usage is limited to place on roof of car, if U have metallized windows |
| 23:19.38 | DocScrutinizer | jones__: never changed since first FR sold |
| 23:20.05 | DocScrutinizer | jones__: (unless your reseller updates image) |
| 23:20.16 | DocScrutinizer | AFAIK |
| 23:20.39 | Dave | JOERG |
| 23:21.38 | DocScrutinizer | hi Dave! |
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| 23:25.41 | sicu | DocScrutinizer: ok, so i take it that cars with heat-reflective metal layers on the windshields will attenuate or block the signal from GPS satellites ? |
| 23:26.13 | DocScrutinizer | sicu: exactly. Same with GPS and any other radio |
| 23:27.18 | sicu | DocScrutinizer: so where did you purchase yours? i take it the magnet was sufficiently powerful as you've tested it whilst driving ;] |
| 23:27.24 | DocScrutinizer | for other usecases, the internal GPS-ant should do a good job, once the SDcard issue is fixed by sw-patch and/or hw. No benefit from external gps-ant |
| 23:28.00 | DocScrutinizer | I actually didn't exactly *test* it. mompl for pointer... |
| 23:28.55 | sicu | k, thx |
| 23:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290262992451 |
| 23:30.32 | DocScrutinizer | hope URL works for you |
| 23:31.18 | sicu | DocScrutinizer: works fine .. thx =] |
| 23:31.32 | Dave | Dr. Sicu |
| 23:32.31 | sicu | what's up doc :p |
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| 23:35.20 | DocScrutinizer | sicu: I couldn't even test as my car roof is AL, not FE ;-) |
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| 23:35.35 | DocScrutinizer | sicu: anyway the nagnet is pretty strong |
| 23:38.12 | sicu | DocScrutinizer: k, think i will try to get one with a 90° connector as someone stated in the wiki: |
| 23:38.16 | sicu | 'The 90 degree connector is very handy, the wire does not stick straight out the side of the FR so it's easier to hold in your hand with the cable attached. ' |
| 23:38.54 | sicu | though messing with the FR whilst driving might not be advisable :p |
| 23:39.12 | DocScrutinizer | sicu: as stated above I don't see a viable usecase for "holding in hand" with GPS-ext attached |
| 23:40.05 | DocScrutinizer | sicu: you're talking phone call? It's actually forbidden in EU |
| 23:40.14 | sicu | good point |
| 23:40.25 | DocScrutinizer | and maximum messy with a lot of cables attached |
| 23:41.06 | DocScrutinizer | no matter whether straight or 90° connector ;-) |
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| 23:42.22 | sicu | i wouldnt talk whilst driving ... has been illegal for wuite some time .... but you never know, during long drives i could be tempted to play some NumptyPhysics on the Fr :p |
| 23:42.41 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 23:43.27 | DocScrutinizer | why not use FR's IR-nightsight feature to go thru the fogg at 220km/h ;-) |
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| 23:43.47 | DocScrutinizer | ...while playing numpty |
| 23:43.51 | Dave | :o |
| 23:44.26 | DocScrutinizer | or mayby drive by instrument, using GPS only ;-) |
| 23:44.58 | DocScrutinizer | so that's probably a viable usecase for 90° connector |
| 23:46.31 | DocScrutinizer | also won't drop out that easily as a straight connector, when you crash |
| 23:46.45 | sicu | lol ... exactly, so a 90° connector it is =] |
| 23:47.08 | sicu | hmmm, sarantel are giving away free samples: https://samples.sarantel.com/ |
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| 23:47.30 | DocScrutinizer | nobody ever gives away anything for free |
| 23:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | U're sure they don't want your vitae and a drop of blood? |
| 23:48.20 | mattl | DocScrutinizer: sure they do. |
| 23:48.48 | sicu | hehe ... they can have my good-for-nothing blood |
| 23:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | mattl: gve for free, or want blood? |
| 23:49.02 | mattl | give things away for free. |
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| 23:50.10 | DocScrutinizer | sicu: next day a nice guy knocks your door and asking you whether you are smoker and have both kidneys still ;-) |
| 23:50.20 | mattl | haha |
| 23:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | Or you get a finish-of-contract notice from your insurance/boss/whomever... |
| 23:54.12 | DocScrutinizer | sicu: or (depending) some DEA guy informing you to look for a less nasty dealer ;-) |
| 23:54.21 | sicu | hehe |
| 23:54.34 | sicu | maybe i'll keep my blood for now |
| 23:54.46 | DocScrutinizer | better idea :-) |
| 23:55.26 | DocScrutinizer | even keep your data like bithday, number of credit card etc. |
| 23:56.27 | Dave | secrets1 |
| 23:56.32 | Dave | Scary |
| 23:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | recently it became public German Telekom lost 14 million customer data records - even of very prominent guys :-D |
| 23:56.37 | Dave | Joerg, what are you plotting!? |
| 23:56.39 | Dave | Evil germans! |
| 23:57.13 | Dave | Joerg, I didn't know Germans sucked at databases :P |
| 23:57.24 | DocScrutinizer | lost means they were offered on gray market for advertisment and other purposes |
| 23:58.06 | Dave | :O :O :O |
| 23:58.10 | Dave | oh, as in, leaked? |
| 23:58.15 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 23:58.18 | Dave | or sold |
| 23:58.23 | Dave | Those fuckers! |
| 23:58.26 | Dave | Dude, they're evil! |
| 23:58.34 | DocScrutinizer | yup, so nobody asked to buy - allegedly |
| 23:58.55 | DocScrutinizer | probably there are cheaper better datasets around ;-) |
| 23:59.14 | DocScrutinizer | with blood-group and account number - lol |
