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| 00:05.49 | ieatlint | Kensan, he responds better to tcp |
| 00:05.52 | ieatlint | raster, SYN |
| 00:06.03 | CVirus | lol |
| 00:09.25 | Kensan | ieatlint: well if he does not answer, it's a good thing since it means he is busy :) |
| 00:10.14 | john | Maybe he's just sleeping? |
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| 01:24.51 | slaxxin | whats the chances of the qt extended borking my uboot /nor |
| 01:25.26 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.26 | slaxxin | i was using a qt extended kernel with fdom---- would that break the sound? |
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| 01:26.56 | Dave | :D |
| 01:26.58 | Dave | haha, awesome |
| 01:27.07 | Dave | and just what prompted you to do that, in the first place? |
| 01:27.09 | slaxxin | qt ext looked very nice |
| 01:27.17 | Dave | ooh la la |
| 01:27.55 | slaxxin | ahh i wanted to put fdom back on an i just didnt change the kernel first |
| 01:27.59 | Dave | heh |
| 01:28.02 | Dave | naughty naughty ;p |
| 01:28.47 | slaxxin | i couldnt make the gps work in qtext |
| 01:29.04 | Dave | heh |
| 01:30.10 | slaxxin | so maybe there will be another qtopia version to fix the stuff in a few days |
| 01:30.26 | Dave | I'm told mwester's kernel is available on qtopia.net |
| 01:30.34 | slaxxin | i saw it |
| 01:30.41 | Dave | okay then |
| 01:30.57 | slaxxin | u didnt install qt i take |
| 01:31.16 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.18 | Dave | rolls his eyes at slaxxin |
| 01:31.33 | slaxxin | WAaaat |
| 01:32.06 | slaxxin | dont u have more than 1 freerunner? |
| 01:32.09 | Dave | Go back to aol |
| 01:32.15 | Dave | :p |
| 01:32.20 | slaxxin | ok |
| 01:32.31 | slaxxin | i did |
| 01:32.33 | davo_ | hrrm |
| 01:32.53 | davo_ | can one use a bluetooth keyboard with freerunner? |
| 01:33.11 | davo_ | with the default install |
| 01:33.42 | slaxxin | bluetooth on qt extended worked out of the box |
| 01:33.51 | davo_ | ok |
| 01:34.02 | Dave | but did it work with a keyboard |
| 01:34.09 | slaxxin | i didnt try a keyboard though |
| 01:34.11 | Dave | and the keyboard work for all applications |
| 01:34.14 | Dave | yeah |
| 01:34.18 | Dave | I didn't think so... ;p |
| 01:34.21 | davo_ | :< |
| 01:34.29 | slaxxin | so u did |
| 01:34.31 | davo_ | can one hook up a usb keyboard? |
| 01:34.35 | Dave | sure |
| 01:34.45 | davo_ | does that work with everything? |
| 01:34.55 | Dave | It worked fine, back when I tried it for 2007, but only for console |
| 01:34.59 | Dave | in X there was input problems |
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| 01:36.56 | davo_ | is there a getty running by default? |
| 01:36.59 | davo_ | i.e. will serial work/ |
| 01:37.09 | Dave | uhh yeah |
| 01:37.13 | Dave | there's a serial mode, I believe |
| 01:37.28 | Dave | and I think it's been patched correctly now |
| 01:37.35 | Dave | but hey, depends what distro you're using ~_~ |
| 01:37.39 | davo_ | :< |
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| 01:39.50 | slaxxin | wireless hooked up every time with that kernel |
| 01:40.12 | slaxxin | but usb networking was broken |
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| 01:46.23 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxin: what's the problem? |
| 01:46.56 | slaxxin | i had a qtopia kernel an a fdom jffs2 |
| 01:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxin: also, on which kernel and system version? |
| 01:47.21 | slaxxin | the latest daily kernel it was |
| 01:47.25 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxin: there's no such thing as a qtopia kernel, I'd say |
| 01:47.34 | slaxxin | reflashing as we speak |
| 01:47.38 | slaxxin | ok |
| 01:49.12 | slaxxin | well maybe it was a bad install |
| 01:49.58 | DocScrutinizer | there were USB-problems with kernels ~4weeks old. Should be fixed |
| 01:50.46 | slaxxin | well i couldnt hook up with usb to install anything an the sound was broken |
| 01:51.40 | DocScrutinizer | AFAIK sound is broken after suspend. But I'm not up to date regarding software. U know I'm hw guy |
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| 01:52.06 | slaxxin | now i do |
| 01:53.00 | slaxxin | man if that ugly green pong was gone it would look a lot better |
| 01:53.02 | DocScrutinizer | Read some news recently sound problem is fixed with certain kernel/system combinations. |
| 01:53.16 | davo_ | cool |
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| 01:53.23 | DocScrutinizer | what's "pong"? |
| 01:53.23 | davo_ | I managed to wedge the terminal fairly quickly |
| 01:54.03 | slaxxin | green square bouncing back an forth across the screen |
| 01:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | starts "ding" for wedge. result is confusing him |
| 01:56.23 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxin: ok, that's something you may ask Raster how to make it go away ;-) |
| 01:56.56 | davo_ | hrrm |
| 01:57.01 | davo_ | sound quality is kind of middling |
| 01:57.05 | DocScrutinizer | usually people complain about the "ugly boots" ;-) |
| 01:57.27 | DocScrutinizer | davo_: which sound? usecase? |
| 01:57.48 | davo_ | just calling my iphone with my wife AT&T SIM |
| 01:57.54 | davo_ | its ok |
| 01:57.58 | DocScrutinizer | do U talk about phonecall or headset-music? |
| 01:58.02 | davo_ | but the iphone is much better |
| 01:58.04 | davo_ | phone call |
| 01:58.57 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, as long as you don't get buzz or echo, it's nothing you couldn't fix with alsamixer, I'd guess |
| 01:59.38 | raster | bounce greenbox bounce! |
| 01:59.47 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 01:59.53 | DocScrutinizer | moinmoin! :-) |
| 02:00.10 | slaxxin | sound is working now |
| 02:00.30 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.37 | davo_ | DocScrutinizer: don't know, was happy enough that just dropping in a SIM card worked |
| 02:00.41 | DocScrutinizer | raster: could you send me some photo of N800-camera in action, some different perspectives? |
| 02:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxin: even after suspend? |
| 02:01.17 | slaxxin | i will try it |
| 02:01.44 | raster | DocScrutinizer: the n800 camera? its so crap - i dont touch it with a barge pole! |
| 02:02.13 | DocScrutinizer | raster: I like the popout bolt mechanic part! |
| 02:02.26 | DocScrutinizer | it's rather cute |
| 02:02.39 | DocScrutinizer | maybe cam-chip is crap though |
| 02:02.54 | DocScrutinizer | at least it is on N810 ;-) |
| 02:03.17 | DocScrutinizer | but it's just about ME |
| 02:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | this design is really cute! |
| 02:03.54 | raster | no |
| 02:03.56 | raster | the ccd is crap |
| 02:03.58 | raster | its qvga |
| 02:04.04 | DocScrutinizer | I intend to add a motor to it ;-) |
| 02:04.06 | raster | blurry (lens is garbage) |
| 02:04.17 | slaxxin | suspended 1 minute an sound worked |
| 02:04.53 | DocScrutinizer | yup, that'S what I say: camera is crap, but mechanics/case is genious |
| 02:05.28 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxin: current kernel and FDOM? FINE! love to hear that |
| 02:05.35 | slaxxin | no |
| 02:05.46 | DocScrutinizer | so what else? |
| 02:06.00 | slaxxin | that was the problem |
| 02:06.20 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.32 | raster | DocScrutinizer: don't u have an n810? |
| 02:06.38 | raster | doesnt it have the same? |
| 02:06.50 | DocScrutinizer | yup, but it hasn't that cute mechanics |
| 02:07.34 | DocScrutinizer | and I didn't find any nice pics of N800 cam in net |
| 02:07.49 | DocScrutinizer | not even at Nokia |
| 02:09.07 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxin: so what exactly was the problem then? sound ok with FDOM and 09132008 .bin, no? |
| 02:10.02 | slaxxin | sounds ok now but when i had a current kernel usb an sound were broken |
| 02:10.07 | DocScrutinizer | <DocScrutinizer> I intend to add a motor to it ;-) for GTH036 |
| 02:10.28 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | so what you're telling is: 09132008 .bin OK, recent kernel broken? |
| 02:11.34 | slaxxin | yup |
| 02:11.40 | raster | DocScrutinizer: why do u need the pics? |
| 02:13.16 | DocScrutinizer | raster: it's hard to explain it verbose. I need some pictures to support my suggestion |
| 02:13.52 | slaxxin | angstrom-version_P1-Snapshot-20081004-r1_om-gta02.opk |
| 02:13.55 | raster | ummm |
| 02:13.56 | raster | ok |
| 02:14.00 | raster | but oin the middle of things here |
| 02:14.16 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxin: btw: which loser at OM is creating a label like 09132008, that wont correctly collate on *any* algo?! |
| 02:14.35 | slaxxin | well thats just the date |
| 02:14.46 | DocScrutinizer | raster: doen't mater. for internal use only! ;-) |
| 02:14.59 | slaxxin | on the fdom site the kernel is there |
| 02:15.33 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxin: yup, but american style. I HATE american dates. you always get them wrong, and they dont sort |
| 02:15.40 | slaxxin | 20080913 |
| 02:15.51 | DocScrutinizer | that's more like it |
| 02:15.53 | slaxxin | there |
| 02:16.08 | slaxxin | sorry |
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| 02:16.40 | slaxxin | gettim boys |
| 02:16.55 | DocScrutinizer | raster: you'd just do me a favour |
| 02:17.37 | slaxxin | potter qt is looking real good |
| 02:17.46 | lpotter | :) |
| 02:17.54 | lpotter | how is it working for you? |
| 02:18.08 | lpotter | I am about to update the image again, as I used the wrong rootfs |
| 02:18.20 | slaxxin | i left your kernel on then installed fdom ,,,, an it borked:) |
| 02:18.25 | mwester | oh nos! |
| 02:18.54 | slaxxin | ssoo it worked well for me cept i couldnt work gps |
| 02:19.40 | slaxxin | but imanoob |
| 02:20.21 | slaxxin | well not your kernel it was a daily kernel |
| 02:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | 20080913 actualy |
| 02:21.01 | slaxxin | no |
| 02:21.04 | DocScrutinizer | IIGTR |
| 02:21.35 | DocScrutinizer | so I Got It wrong, IGIW |
| 02:22.11 | slaxxin | testing-om 20080930 |
| 02:24.33 | DocScrutinizer | it's pretty hard to reproduce any bugs, as everybody's using a different kernel/distri/version permutation. |
| 02:26.03 | raster | DocScrutinizer: got a few |
| 02:26.05 | raster | let me clean them up |
| 02:26.17 | DocScrutinizer | ok :-))) |
| 02:26.44 | DocScrutinizer | raster: thanks a lot! |
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| 02:28.16 | DocScrutinizer | Anyway I just need the camera bolt, so other people can really undertsand what I'm talking about. There's no pictures in the web it seems |
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| 02:29.03 | sicu | freenode netsplits ftw |
| 02:29.34 | DocScrutinizer | aha |
| 02:30.21 | DocScrutinizer | could you elaborate please? |
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| 02:32.19 | shaz | hi guys |
| 02:33.54 | DocScrutinizer | hi |
| 02:33.57 | slaxxin | i like the gutiar pick idea |
| 02:34.04 | raster | DocScrutinizer: on its way in email |
| 02:34.11 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 02:34.17 | DocScrutinizer | tnX |
| 02:34.36 | slaxxin | http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/27936/nokia-bows-touchscreen-5800-xpressmusic |
| 02:34.58 | DocScrutinizer | that's about guitar pick? |
| 02:35.39 | DocScrutinizer | raster: do U know which type of ts N8x0 is used |
| 02:35.53 | raster | resistive |
| 02:36.01 | DocScrutinizer | it's so pretty responsive ... |
| 02:36.10 | raster | not too bad |
| 02:36.31 | DocScrutinizer | DUH, I don't even see any deformation of surface when touching it |
| 02:36.55 | DocScrutinizer | and it triggers on a feather's touch |
| 02:37.08 | DocScrutinizer | ltteraly |
| 02:37.20 | DocScrutinizer | on N810 |
| 02:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | N8xx is COOL, man I'd suggest every EE and SW-developer should get one for free from OM, to have a reference |
| 02:40.24 | DocScrutinizer | I'd take a year holiday from what's left over, when selling one surplus CMU200 and buying those N810s |
| 02:47.55 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick * r4692 10/trunk/feeds/community-repository/file-index.txt: [Multiverse] Update omview to version 32 |
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| 04:18.04 | slaxxin | my fdom doesnt show friends on tango |
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| 06:43.54 | deever | anyone here with qtopia on openmoko and working suspend? |
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| 06:44.25 | graaff | deever: define "working" |
| 06:44.34 | graaff | It does seem to work for me to some extend |
| 06:45.09 | deever | graaff: so that it doesn't show only a white screen anymore on wakeup |
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| 06:45.28 | graaff | No, wakes up fine when I press the power button briefly |
| 06:46.52 | deever | and if you let it lock the keys (in homescreen option), can you unlock it again? |
| 06:48.11 | graaff | I'm not sure what lock function you mean (only got the phone this week) |
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| 06:53.29 | lpotter | screenlock? or pin lock? |
| 06:53.51 | deever | graaff: in Settings/Homescreen,Idle you can lock the keys, on display off f.e. |
| 06:54.19 | deever | lpotter: neither one. key lock! ;) |
| 06:55.36 | graaff | I don't seem to have the Homescreen option in Settings... |
| 06:56.00 | deever | graaff: do you have qtopia at all? ;) |
| 06:56.06 | graaff | Yes |
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| 06:56.30 | graaff | I think so, at least, flashed the Om2008.9 image when the phone arrived, that has Qtopia, right? |
| 06:56.52 | deever | lol |
| 06:57.07 | deever | i mean qtopia from trolltech |
| 06:57.18 | raster | qtopia in 2008.x only uses some of the apps built into qpe |
| 06:57.21 | graaff | Ah, that isn't the same thing? |
| 06:57.22 | raster | like dialler, contacts and sms |
| 06:57.24 | raster | nothing else |
| 06:57.27 | raster | so no home screen etc. |
| 06:57.31 | graaff | 's newbie status is quickly revealed |
| 06:57.36 | raster | its dfefinitely not the same stuff |
| 06:59.15 | lpotter | ya, what he said. its not even qtopia |
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| 06:59.49 | Shlee | The uptime on this new release seems to lower.. |
| 06:59.55 | graaff | I guess I was confused since the package names in the installer mention qtopia |
| 07:00.05 | Shlee | but I'm generally happy with it. apart from the sms cloning issue (and other bugs) |
| 07:00.09 | lpotter | yep. easy to get confused |
| 07:00.19 | lpotter | even OM is confused about it |
| 07:01.18 | deever | graaff: i mean this one http://qtextended.org/modules/devices/openmoko.php |
| 07:01.40 | graaff | deever: as you've guessed by now I don't have any experience with that. :_) |
| 07:01.53 | deever | ok! ;) |
| 07:02.27 | deever | but suspend now seems to work after reflashing...:o |
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| 07:03.27 | jitu3485 | anyone tried zhone and fso image on fedora, is it working? which version of fedora if yes |
| 07:04.03 | Toriku1 | what about android |
| 07:04.57 | jitu3485 | that is also good |
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| 07:11.49 | lpotter | deever: thats not even qtopia either! :) |
| 07:12.05 | deever | lpotter: ? |
| 07:12.20 | lpotter | thats qt extended |
| 07:12.36 | deever | how ever...;) |
| 07:12.41 | lpotter | hehehhe |
| 07:15.28 | sigius | deever: disregarding suspend, how do you like it ? |
| 07:15.45 | raster | lpotter: whats qtexetended vs qtopia? |
| 07:16.35 | sigius | same thing, new name i think |
| 07:16.52 | lpotter | qtopia is 4.3.x qt extended is 4.4.1 :) |
| 07:17.01 | lpotter | plus new copyright headers |
| 07:17.09 | raster | but its the same thing renamed?> |
| 07:17.14 | lpotter | and new features |
| 07:17.17 | raster | (sure |
| 07:17.22 | raster | so its qtopia 4.4.1 |
| 07:17.26 | raster | but ... with a rename |
| 07:17.27 | raster | etc. |
| 07:17.37 | raster | ie next thing in the development line |
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| 07:17.39 | lpotter | yes. it was qtopia 4.4.0 release and then qt extended 4.4.1 |
| 07:17.44 | raster | qtopia stops with 4.3.1 |
| 07:17.51 | raster | err |
| 07:17.54 | raster | 4.4.0 then |
| 07:17.55 | raster | ? |
| 07:17.56 | lpotter | well. officially it was 4.4.0 |
| 07:18.06 | lpotter | commercial release only .. touted as beta :) |
| 07:18.21 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r068eb4ac1e2d 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/ (mediator.py modem.py): ogsmd: fix enabling direct SMS sending. Todo: add unsolicited handler for CMT |
| 07:18.33 | raster | will there in future be qtopia AND qtex releses |
| 07:18.36 | raster | ie now 2 products |
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| 07:18.45 | raster | or it has moved qtopi a-> qtex ? |
| 07:18.49 | raster | :) |
| 07:20.33 | deever | ah, now again! :( |
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| 07:21.35 | deever | the white screen, when i press the power butten (wake up) |
| 07:23.38 | deever | really noone else having this? |
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| 07:24.26 | Shlee | Any advantage over the download.openmoko nightly kernel over the mwesters compiles? |
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| 07:27.34 | graaff | Hmm, there is no way for opkg to tell what packages it wants to upgrade before actually doing so? |
| 07:27.56 | graaff | Also, where to file bugs for opkg? |
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| 07:32.47 | deever | there is also an open ticket: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1841 |
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| 07:32.57 | lpotter | raster: I think qtopia is in the past |
| 07:37.02 | raster | lpotter: gotcha. so qtex (formerly known as qtopia)... |
| 07:37.08 | raster | (qtextended) |
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| 07:43.42 | sylar91 | hi, how could I compile a c file from openmoko via ssh? |
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| 07:45.17 | deever | sylar91: "a c file from openmoko"? |
| 07:45.40 | sylar91 | yes, I want to make "gcc file.c" and compile it |
| 07:46.27 | deever | and what has this to do with openmoko? |
| 07:46.41 | sylar91 | that I want to make it on my openmoko device |
| 07:46.49 | malik1972 | raster: nice image |
| 07:47.29 | deever | sylar91: install gcc on the device? |
| 07:48.03 | raster | malik1972: bootilicious? |
| 07:48.08 | sylar91 | I installed it... but I get an error |
| 07:48.57 | deever | well, is my problem hardware-related? do i have to send back the device? |
| 07:49.01 | malik1972 | raster: your "new" gui |
| 07:49.11 | raster | yes |
| 07:49.15 | raster | but does it have booty? |
| 07:49.15 | raster | :) |
| 07:49.25 | malik1972 | sure |
| 07:49.34 | malik1972 | you mean the "e"? |
| 07:50.03 | malik1972 | no boots |
| 07:50.10 | malik1972 | now i understand |
| 07:50.22 | malik1972 | it has a golden "e" |
| 07:51.15 | sylar91 | I get this error cc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory |
| 07:51.16 | sylar91 | , why? |
| 07:52.07 | deever | sylar91: probably because this file doesn't exist? |
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| 07:52.29 | sylar91 | yes but the file is in what package? |
| 07:52.35 | sylar91 | how can I fix it? |
| 07:53.00 | malik1972 | raster: are there any plans or a time horizon for integration of your ui to fso? |
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| 07:53.48 | deever | sylar91: wouldn't be better off cross-compiling? |
| 07:54.16 | sylar91 | it is easier and faster to compile directly on the device |
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| 07:54.40 | deever | sylar91: i can't imagine an advantage of compiling directly on the device! |
| 07:54.45 | deever | sylar91: false |
| 07:55.07 | sylar91 | how can I crosscompile easily? |
| 07:55.11 | parodyoflanguage | deever: Being able to compile while away from the computer? |
| 07:55.18 | raster | malik1972: golden e? |
| 07:55.35 | raster | no i means booty |
| 07:55.38 | raster | as in booty |
| 07:55.39 | raster | umm.. |
| 07:56.08 | deever | parodyoflanguage: well, if you want this? ;) |
| 07:56.10 | raster | just put that into google image search |
| 07:56.11 | raster | and see |
| 07:56.15 | malik1972 | had to look it up |
| 07:56.31 | sylar91 | how can I compile for armv4 from x86? |
| 07:56.51 | deever | parodyoflanguage: btw, do you also have this wsod problem? |
| 07:57.01 | parodyoflanguage | wsod? |
| 07:57.02 | deever | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1841 |
| 07:57.02 | raster | fso - once fso behaves. and i have a replacement for zhone (the python gui). |
| 07:57.06 | malik1972 | raster: i see a lot of nacked women;-) |
| 07:57.21 | malik1972 | raster: i missed them in you image |
| 07:57.26 | malik1972 | hehe |
| 07:57.35 | deever | sylar91: read the docs on openmoko.org |
| 07:58.04 | parodyoflanguage | deever: I don't yet own a neo :) |
| 07:58.18 | malik1972 | raster: i guess you mean the black boots, there are no boots, i saw a golden e (the one from e17) while booting |
| 07:58.19 | raster | malik1972: i was implying "does it look sexy"? |
| 07:58.20 | raster | ir good |
| 07:58.31 | malik1972 | raster: aaaah:-) |
| 07:58.31 | raster | therer should be no golden e |
| 07:58.32 | raster | at all |
| 07:58.34 | raster | zero |
| 07:58.38 | raster | if u used the image i made |
| 07:58.48 | malik1972 | its a zero, okay:-) |
| 07:59.20 | malik1972 | raster: yes, its sexy enough, polished |
| 07:59.34 | malik1972 | raster: and it looks "from one hand" |
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| 08:00.16 | raster | "from one hand" ? |
| 08:00.24 | raster | and no |
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| 08:00.26 | raster | not that polished |
| 08:00.29 | raster | needs much more work |
| 08:00.30 | parodyoflanguage | Is that a reference to masturbation? |
| 08:00.33 | raster | i only shiop 3 apps |
| 08:00.42 | raster | gpe-scap so i have somethnig to screenshot easily with |
| 08:00.46 | raster | terminal for just testing |
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| 08:00.54 | raster | and alarm whihc is testign out a new mobile-ui-toolkit |
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| 08:02.47 | deever | anyone else here with #1841: "white screen of death (WSOD) after resume"? |
| 08:03.58 | malik1972 | deever: only once in about 3 months |
| 08:05.00 | deever | malik1972: i mean each time on resume |
| 08:05.15 | malik1972 | deever: ohhh! |
| 08:05.26 | malik1972 | deever: which distro? |
| 08:05.27 | deever | miip: yes! ;) |
| 08:05.32 | deever | qtopia |
| 08:05.43 | malik1972 | deever: you mean trolltechs stuff |
| 08:05.56 | deever | s/miip/malik1972/ ;) |
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| 08:06.14 | malik1972 | deever: or the images from om? |
| 08:06.25 | deever | malik1972: well, qtopia 4.3.3 |
| 08:07.29 | malik1972 | deever: i think this behaviour depends on the neo used, many people do not have the problem |
| 08:07.55 | malik1972 | deever: every suspend gives you a wsod? thats hardcore |
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| 08:13.06 | malik1972 | raster: but its promising, superior to the one from om |
| 08:16.31 | raster | malik1972: i'd hope so! |
| 08:16.31 | raster | :) |
| 08:16.49 | raster | no phone stuff yet as 1. zhone/frameworkd dont even work for me |
| 08:16.53 | raster | i cant make/recieve calls |
| 08:17.02 | raster | also its all in flux |
| 08:17.10 | raster | and right now i want to focus on doing the core ui and making that better |
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| 08:17.17 | raster | and that has zero to do with phone stuff |
| 08:17.18 | raster | :) |
| 08:17.25 | raster | just general embedded touchscreen ui stuff |
| 08:20.15 | Shlee | FSO is a massive work-in-progress... once everything is set out in python, I assume moving to c is planned? |
| 08:22.17 | raster | dunno |
| 08:22.24 | raster | i kind of would think so in the long run |
| 08:22.31 | raster | i know that i will eventually do a C gui for it |
| 08:22.53 | raster | i am currently putting together an efl widget set specifically devoted to doing touchscreen/phone ui's |
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| 08:33.19 | Shlee | can I fix the 20ish splash-write errors on boot? |
| 08:33.38 | deever | malik1972: yes, "hardcore" is a good word for it! :) |
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| 08:54.12 | Shlee | bah QT 4.4 keeps crashing on the contact list |
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| 08:56.34 | sylar91 | hi, with the toolchain I get this error libtool: link: cannot find the library `/space/fic/openmoko-daily/neo1973/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pango-1.18.3-r0/pango-1.18.3/pango/libpangoft2-1.0.la' or unhandled argument `/space/fic/openmoko-daily/neo1973/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pango-1.18.3-r0/pango-1.18.3/pango/libpangoft2-1.0.la' , how can I resolve? |
| 08:57.38 | malik1972 | Shlee: nice! i have also problems, there is no phone book anymore |
| 08:58.13 | malik1972 | Shlee: you should make pressure on the responsibles;-) |
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| 09:01.55 | Shlee | o_0 |
| 09:03.15 | [df] | hmm, maybe I'll wait a bit before installing 4.4 |
| 09:04.00 | [df] | why's it called 'qt extended' now anyway? |
| 09:04.37 | moo--- | nokia marketing droids had to be feeded? |
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| 09:04.57 | [df] | heh |
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| 09:21.10 | IOhannes | i don't understand the 50 (or more) controls in the alsamixer |
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| 09:34.35 | ieatlint | wow... oj simpson guilty |
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| 09:34.45 | lpotter | they wanted to emphasize 'Qt' |
| 09:34.51 | ieatlint | and, the verdict comes 13 years to the day after he was aquitted for murder |
| 09:34.58 | ieatlint | nice coincidence |
| 09:35.32 | raster | should rename it busu! |
| 09:35.35 | ieatlint | i'm sure the goldman family is celebrating |
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| 09:37.24 | ieatlint | heh, and i've just learnt that on november 4th, i'm supposed to vote on 35 different things, including the presidency... direct democracy sucks :( |
| 09:38.14 | lpotter | except you aren't really voting directly for the president |
| 09:38.41 | ieatlint | true, but this year that benefits my candidte, so it doesn't upset me (don't politics rule?) |
| 09:38.50 | lpotter | US isnt a democracy. its a republic |
| 09:39.56 | ieatlint | nothing says democracy like obama winning in polls by 9%, but in the same polls, winning by a 19% margin in elecoral votes |
| 09:40.24 | ieatlint | the logic of course is the same as the EU |
| 09:40.59 | ieatlint | a state votes one way; a country votes one way... the principles are identical |
| 09:42.09 | ieatlint | anyway, california has direct democracy... and 34 of thethings are specific to where i live, and NO ONE has enough free time to go through over 500 pages of voter pamphlets (no kidding) ad make an "informed" decision |
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| 10:06.05 | exco | Is it known if building on Ubuntu 8.10 works? |
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| 10:18.30 | buffoon | Hi! I have a non working (new) SIM Card from Vodafone (Italy). It works on another Cellphone so the SIM should be fine.Are there any things I can try to get it working or does it just not work |
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| 10:18.57 | buffoon | I have to insert the PIN always 2 times and then i get "Network Registration denied" on QTopia 4.3 |
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| 10:21.22 | max_posedon | buffoon, I think you should begin from installing QTopia 4.4 |
| 10:21.38 | max_posedon | (actualy QtExtended 4.4) |
| 10:21.41 | Kensan | raster: ping |
| 10:21.50 | raster | PONG! |
| 10:22.09 | leinir | Dayum, that's some heavy duty pongin' there! ;) |
| 10:22.40 | Kensan | raster: oh there you are :) Didn't expect you to answer so quickly since you must be busy. Talked to Thomas last night. Good stuff! :) |
| 10:23.00 | raster | aaha u did speak with thomas? |
| 10:23.06 | Kensan | raster: did you read my msgs from yesterday, about your scripts? |
| 10:23.12 | raster | hmm no |
| 10:23.14 | raster | i was off |
| 10:23.16 | Kensan | raster: yes. |
| 10:23.22 | raster | drinking beer for about 12 hours |
| 10:23.27 | raster | and eating |
| 10:23.34 | raster | back to work now though |
| 10:23.39 | Kensan | raster: right. and I was led to believe you were busy working ;) |
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| 10:23.49 | raster | HAHAHHAHAHAHA |
| 10:23.52 | raster | i am now |
| 10:23.53 | raster | saturday |
| 10:23.58 | raster | and tomorrow too :) |
| 10:24.05 | raster | and tonight (saturday night) |
| 10:24.08 | Kensan | raster: You aussies and your barbeques, one fridge for the meat, one fridge for the beer. |
| 10:24.12 | raster | i need to do some surgery to elementary |
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| 10:24.51 | buffoon | max_posedon: is there a ready to use rootfs and kernel image? i didn't find it until now |
| 10:24.53 | Kensan | raster: The scripts are not working, because the var OMDIR is not set when local.conf is processed. |
| 10:25.18 | Kensan | raster: btw, Thomas was showing of the illume image and the alarm clock etc. Everybody was migthy impressed ;) |
| 10:25.25 | max_posedon | buffoon, yes. |
| 10:25.46 | raster | Kensan: how can it not be set? |
| 10:25.57 | raster | Kensan: aaah they have mov ed to use the image... |
| 10:26.04 | raster | i made the illume image for them actiually |
| 10:26.07 | raster | well partly |
| 10:26.19 | raster | because it means the look of the alarm app (and elementary) match illume and everything else |
| 10:26.23 | raster | so it all looks consistent and nice |
| 10:26.29 | raster | its also a "small" image to work on |
| 10:26.33 | raster | with very little extra in it |
| 10:26.33 | Kensan | raster: I don't know but it seems, that eventhough it's exported in setup-env it is not being processed by bitbake once local.conf is read in. |
| 10:26.48 | raster | thats odd |
| 10:26.51 | raster | it is for me |
| 10:27.09 | Kensan | raster: I added something like OMDIR="path/to/foo" at the top of local.conf and it ran! |
| 10:27.13 | Kensan | raster: very confusing. |
| 10:27.53 | Kensan | raster: It might be, that he simply flashed the illume image to show off at the moko party last night. |
| 10:28.53 | Kensan | raster: Of course I had that image flashed to and I also showed it around a bit. People dig it! Especially because it feels very responsive and looks sexy. |
| 10:29.05 | Kensan | raster: it's just missing a boobsplash *harrharr* |
| 10:29.56 | raster | Kensan: that is bizarre |
| 10:29.57 | raster | totally |
| 10:30.04 | raster | for me - it works. it evals properly |
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| 10:30.44 | raster | Kensan: hmm well i did tell thomas about the im,mume image and that i made it for them so its easy to work/test/demo the stuff |
| 10:30.49 | raster | to save them time and effort |
| 10:30.58 | raster | and make it easy for me to know what the "base platform" is |
| 10:31.01 | Kensan | raster: it's AWESOME |
| 10:31.05 | raster | i will suck in FSO over time as needed |
| 10:31.09 | raster | thats trivial to do |
| 10:31.20 | raster | FSO packages are just commented out in illume-image.bb |
| 10:31.40 | raster | and bootsplash - i dont touch any splash stuff until kernel is up and kicking |
| 10:31.42 | Kensan | raster: seriously, it has a very natural feel to it and as I said it's very responsive + eyecandy. |
| 10:31.51 | raster | in fact... not entirely sure how to "package" that |
| 10:31.58 | ieatlint | well... bravo raster... the #1 issue with fso has been a lack of UI designers |
| 10:32.10 | raster | i probably should make a flahs image file that i flahs onto the splash partition |
| 10:32.26 | Kensan | raster: yup |
| 10:32.28 | ieatlint | i design UIs worse than the fso team myself, so i'm glad to see someone competent with them has taken some interest :) |
| 10:32.48 | Kensan | raster: well you could give me a picture and I would do the splash img stuff. |
| 10:33.18 | Kensan | raster: you have more interesting stuff to do I believe ;) |
| 10:34.12 | john | Mornin' raster. |
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| 10:34.45 | Kensan | raster: hm... what bitbake version do you use? Maybe they just had a change as of late that changes the evaluation of ENV vars when local.conf is being processed... |
| 10:35.36 | Kensan | raster: from the svn log r1090: "bin/bitbake: Add better environmental variable handling." |
| 10:35.41 | Kensan | raster: that was 30/09 |
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| 10:37.00 | Kensan | raster: I just looked at the diff, it is the cause actually. |
| 10:37.14 | Kensan | raster: only specific env vars are accepted now. |
| 10:38.48 | Kensan | raster: I just verfied it. |
| 10:39.14 | raster | Kensan: hmm an image. |
| 10:39.24 | raster | i can probably brew something up... |
| 10:39.32 | raster | john: boo |
| 10:39.34 | ieatlint | raster, is "soft" australian licorice purely an export, or is it actually a common local candy? |
| 10:39.54 | ieatlint | (that will be the most important question posed all week -- trust me) |
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| 10:40.29 | Kensan | raster: where should I send patches? ;) |
| 10:40.42 | raster | Kensan: i swear i tried a clean checkout of bitbake and all |
| 10:40.52 | raster | ok |
| 10:41.00 | raster | my current tree is at 1078... |
| 10:41.12 | raster | aha |
| 10:41.14 | raster | damnit |
| 10:41.20 | raster | btibake b0rked me upssors! |
| 10:41.57 | Kensan | raster: I'll send patch, but to which address? |
| 10:42.44 | Kensan | raster: btw, patch 0011 is not needed anymore, it got fixed upstream. |
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| 10:43.25 | Kensan | raster: and patch 0010 does not apply either. |
| 10:43.33 | Kensan | s/either/anymore/ |
| 10:45.04 | sigius | Hi, does anyone have an impression of what the respective sizes are of the userbases of the different distributions ? Is there maybe a recent poll somewhere online? |
| 10:45.25 | Zorkman | that would be a nice poll |
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| 10:46.54 | Zorkman | anybody tried qtopia extended 4.4? |
| 10:47.10 | leinir | Yup, works really nicely :) |
| 10:47.47 | Kensan | raster: you've got mail. |
| 10:49.15 | Kensan | raster: about the uboot splash pic: it should be (480x640) 8 color. |
| 10:49.41 | john | How functional is qt ext4.4? |
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| 10:50.47 | john | I'm still usin' 2007 cause it just works for me. I've got FSO on SD but I can't even SMS with it. |
| 10:51.30 | john | But I kinda like QT. It's what I want to learn to program in. |
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| 10:57.12 | leinir | It works really well - there's a bug or five, absolutely, but it's really neat in general :) |
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| 10:58.28 | john | I don't mind a few bugs, as long as I can get general use as a phone, with text, wifi and terminal. |
| 10:59.12 | leinir | Wifi is dodgy, but that's a general thing :) |
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| 11:03.56 | john | Mine works fine at home, almost on top of my wifi router, but not very well at work. But most people find the work wifi dodgy at best anyway. |
| 11:04.16 | Shlee | I cannot get wiki working at all on QT 4.4... I should look into it |
| 11:04.24 | Shlee | The rest of the compile looks fine. |
| 11:08.14 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | wifi isnt usable ? |
| 11:08.46 | raster | Kensan: 8 color? don't think so... 16bit color |
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| 11:11.58 | Hire | it will be cool to see a dialer efl :) |
| 11:12.30 | Kensan | raster: I thought I read in the wiki that it's 8 color... |
| 11:12.44 | raster | Kensan: i seriously doubt it.. as u'd also need a palette then |
| 11:12.50 | Kensan | raster: hm ok. |
| 11:13.07 | raster | anbd the uboot "code" that dies it |
| 11:13.27 | raster | is simple load splash partition - gunzip and write to video memory |
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| 11:13.31 | raster | no palette setup |
| 11:13.32 | raster | :) |
| 11:13.42 | Kensan | raster: it says "PNG 480x640x8" in the wiki. |
| 11:13.45 | Kensan | raster: hehe ok |
| 11:13.53 | Kensan | raster: btw, did you get my mail? |
| 11:14.56 | emacsian | i have om2008.9 on my SD card and I'm able to boot into it only every alternate time. |
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| 11:15.19 | Sgnabul | hi ther is some ITALIAN here? |
| 11:15.49 | emacsian | the other time in the bootmenu I get uImage.bin not present and returns to the bootmenu |
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| 11:16.46 | raster | Kensan: yes. patch. :) |
| 11:17.30 | Hire | (13:15:18) Sgnabul: hi ther is some ITALIAN here? <-- io perché? O_o |
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| 11:17.55 | Sgnabul | perche' non trovo una chat italiana di openmoko o del freeRunner |
| 11:18.05 | raster | Kensan: |
| 11:18.06 | Hire | sarebbe da crearla :D |
| 11:18.12 | raster | setenv splashimage nand read.e 0x32000000 splash 0x5000\; unzip 0x32000000 0x33d00000 0x96000 |
| 11:18.12 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.14 | Hire | comunque no purtroppo non esiste |
| 11:18.15 | Sgnabul | esiste una chat IT sul FreeRunner? |
| 11:18.19 | Hire | nono |
| 11:18.32 | raster | as u can see all that does is unzip the splash into the fb |
| 11:19.01 | Sgnabul | allora se si crea mi potresti mandare una e-mail a info@urbancenter.it ? |
| 11:19.03 | raster | if u look really carefully... |
| 11:19.08 | raster | check the imghs.pl |
| 11:19.12 | raster | especially |
| 11:19.17 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.49 | raster | whihc.. bingo.. takes the r, g and b, and packs into 16bpp rgb565 |
| 11:19.51 | raster | :) |
| 11:20.00 | raster | it 4bits red, 6 green, 5 blue - packed into 16bits |
| 11:20.03 | raster | msb to lsb |
| 11:21.06 | raster | so basically it ends up a raw blob of 16bpp rgb565 fraembuffer data just to be zipped up and put into flash |
| 11:21.16 | raster | then on boot u-boot just unzips that data and write it to the fb |
| 11:21.19 | raster | simple |
| 11:21.20 | raster | :) |
| 11:21.32 | raster | so as such... that wiki page is wrong |
| 11:21.42 | raster | for better waulity make it a 16bpp image |
| 11:21.55 | john | Everything's simple once you learn it, raster. |
| 11:21.55 | raster | and if u are smart - u'll use xephyr in 16bpp mode |
| 11:22.00 | raster | and something like evas that dithers in 16bpp |
| 11:22.13 | raster | draw it to xephyr |
| 11:22.18 | raster | then screengrab scephyr |
| 11:22.24 | raster | then take that image |
| 11:22.27 | raster | as it will then be pre-dithered |
| 11:22.28 | raster | :) |
| 11:22.54 | john | So, Cinepaint would be overkill? |
| 11:23.25 | raster | well draw it in whatevre u like first |
| 11:23.26 | raster | :) |
| 11:23.40 | leinir | Hmm... i think that's the first time in a year or two i've seen that name on IRC... |
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| 11:24.20 | leinir | And yesterday, i attended a talk here at OpenSourceDays where one of the guys involved with the project spoke about Linux in Hollywood ;) |
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| 11:24.44 | Hire | cinepaint, right? |
| 11:24.52 | exco | I'm trying to setup an OE build environment on Ubuntu 8.10 - but I can't get it to work. Can someone have a look at this http://pastebin.com/d227a637d and please tell me what I'm doing wrong? |
| 11:24.55 | leinir | Yeah :) |
| 11:25.54 | john | Yea, I thought it was dead too, but then I was a new article from Robin insisting it wasn't and he didn't hate all the Gimp coders, and it's not his fault they won't stop picking on him. |
| 11:27.39 | leinir | *giggles* Yeah, i kinda got that vibe :) |
| 11:29.29 | john | I think the new GEGL engine will do everything cinepaint did, plus a whole lot more. |
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| 11:32.00 | SpeedEvil | Real-time raytraced 3d desktop FTW! |
| 11:32.36 | leinir | SpeedEvil: ouch ;) |
| 11:32.52 | john | On the FR using the Glamo! |
| 11:36.46 | Sgnabul | thanks ! see you all ... bye |
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| 11:41.37 | Kensan | raster: ok, thanks for the explanation. You should take up a career in teaching, since I now actually understand what it's doing ;) |
| 11:42.12 | john | Yea. I want to get a job with raster. Maybe I'll actually learn something. |
| 11:42.26 | raster | Kensan: HAHAHAHHA |
| 11:42.40 | raster | Kensan: i have done teaching beforew.. but it doesnt pay anywhere near as wel as actual developing stuff |
| 11:42.42 | raster | :) |
| 11:42.45 | Kensan | raster: ah ok, so that's the right address to send patches then ;) |
| 11:42.54 | raster | and yes |
| 11:42.57 | john | Plust I'll be earning in a currency that has a future. |
| 11:43.03 | raster | raster@rasterman.com |
| 11:43.11 | raster | havent changed email addresses in a looooong time |
| 11:43.15 | raster | probably never will |
| 11:43.19 | raster | google knows my address |
| 11:43.22 | raster | always ask google |
| 11:43.22 | raster | :) |
| 11:43.37 | Kensan | raster: yes, and I believe it's not as gratifiying. I know what I am talking about because I was a student not too long ago *harrharr* |
| 11:43.55 | john | Where do you work, and are they hiring interns? |
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| 11:45.13 | Kensan | raster: he does not work anywhere. People carry money to his bungalow on a deserted island and pray for him to take it and kick out some code that does what they dreamed about ;) |
| 11:45.30 | Nameeater | is it possible to use the gprs connection for applications like a webbrowser/irc/ssh on the neo 1973? I've done a fair amout of googling and all I can find for is about bridging the gprs connection to a laptop |
| 11:45.42 | raster | Kensan: actually i like teaching |
| 11:45.44 | raster | it is fun |
| 11:45.58 | raster | but i doubt i have the patience to teach the same thing.. again and again. i liek to teach new stuff |
| 11:46.07 | raster | so i guess i'm better off in a waterfall kind of thing |
| 11:46.08 | Kensan | raster: yeah, I was just insinuating that my teacher must have had a terrible ride with me as a student. |
| 11:46.18 | raster | ie i teach a few people something new i know... |
| 11:46.23 | raster | they in turn teach others below/after them |
| 11:46.26 | Kensan | raster: my teachers rahter--- |
| 11:46.28 | raster | and so on down the waterfall |
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| 11:46.44 | raster | and in the meantime i march on to new funky stuff |
| 11:46.45 | Kensan | raster: yeah. |
| 11:47.05 | raster | john: i dont work anywhere. i quit openmoko. i basically am my own consulting firm right now |
| 11:47.19 | balrog-k1n | Nameeater: if you connect to gprs, the neo 1973 can browse www/irc/ssh automatically |
| 11:47.35 | Nameeater | balrog-k1n: awsome, thanks :) |
| 11:47.37 | balrog-k1n | Nameeater: perhaps that's why there are no instructions to set it up |
| 11:47.38 | raster | Kensan: hahahaha.. yeah.. but really my problem is time |
| 11:47.42 | Kensan | raster: If you can explain something to a person really well, you understood what you are talking about. |
| 11:47.47 | raster | i have X hours a day ater sleeping and eating and other life things |
| 11:47.52 | john | Didn't sound like you were enjoying working at OM anyway. |
| 11:47.58 | raster | i need to maximise the productivity of those X hours |
| 11:48.13 | raster | and invariably i tend to focus on sure-bets i know will produce stuff |
| 11:48.15 | Nameeater | I was hoping that was the case, but didn't want to pay for one off (insert new zealand ebay clone) and not be sure |
| 11:48.30 | Kensan | raster: 12 hours of drinking beer and eatling does not leave all too many hours for work *hehe* |
| 11:48.37 | balrog-k1n | Nameeater: it's identical to connecting with pppd on your pc |
| 11:48.55 | Nameeater | wicked |
| 11:49.00 | raster | Kensan: i know.. thats why i devoted my whole weekend to work :) monday is a holiday - working then too |
| 11:49.05 | balrog-k1n | Nameeater: if you connect and want to NAT so that other computer at home can use the connection, *then* you need to do something in addition |
| 11:49.13 | raster | 9:48pm saturday night.. cxoding |
| 11:49.21 | raster | welcom to rasterman inc. |
| 11:49.31 | raster | "bizarre working times come with the job" |
| 11:49.32 | raster | :) |
| 11:49.33 | balrog-k1n | but if you type an address into the browser it will use the ppp0 interface to load the page |
| 11:49.50 | Kensan | raster: well it's not good to keep on going without a break: beer good food etc etc. |
| 11:49.53 | john | Where do I send my C.V. then? |
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| 11:50.43 | Kensan | raster: btw, I heard you will be "in the region" in a couple weeks ;) |
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| 11:52.55 | Kensan | raster: btw, I shaved off 20 secs of boottime by just deactivating the really obvious things. so it's now around 1min 30 which is still VERY painfull. |
| 11:53.24 | leinir | Hehe, gotta do what they did with the eeePC ;) |
| 11:53.39 | leinir | Boot to an idle desktop in five seconds flat ;) |
| 11:54.27 | raster | Kensan: that was my break :) a longish one... :) |
| 11:54.31 | Kensan | leinir: yeah, that story seems to be the hot topic currently. |
| 11:54.50 | raster | Kensan: and i may be in the region - not sure what time i will have to go where etc. |
| 11:54.52 | Kensan | raster: a very wise decision. I would have opted for the longish one too *hehe* |
| 11:54.59 | raster | and btw boot time shaving |
| 11:55.03 | raster | tell em the details |
| 11:55.06 | raster | inf act email me patches |
| 11:55.09 | raster | i'll put into the tree |
| 11:55.09 | Kensan | raster: I just heard all you guys were meeting up. |
| 11:55.12 | balrog-k1n | if om only took the init scripts from poky (OE based, too) they'd get 30s boot up right away |
| 11:55.12 | raster | :) |
| 11:55.30 | balrog-k1n | poky loads in 13s on an omap3 |
| 11:55.56 | Shlee | beagleboard? |
| 11:56.12 | balrog-k1n | yep |
| 11:56.13 | Kensan | raster: yeah I will eventually send patches but I really want them to actually be an improvement. So it will take some time. |
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| 11:56.53 | Kensan | raster: I will be on the road all next week so no time to futher look into that... |
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| 11:57.12 | raster | balrog-k1n: mdev? |
| 11:57.29 | raster | Kensan: aaah ok. no problem |
| 11:57.46 | raster | i am busy redoing some infra work for elementary (swisscom) as i think i paintet myself into a corner |
| 11:57.50 | raster | i am much happier now though |
| 11:57.57 | raster | and this will mean rapid moving forward |
| 11:57.58 | balrog-k1n | raster: i don't know, you'd have to ask the distribution people :p |
| 11:59.04 | raster | balrog-k1n: omap3 is not very comparable to fr |
| 11:59.11 | raster | fr is a pitifully slow system :( |
| 12:00.42 | balrog-k1n | well, yes, though there are some things om does that are really backwards, during boot-up, i heard hrw commenting on it when speeding up the poky boot up :p |
| 12:00.49 | balrog-k1n | soo there's lots to gain |
| 12:01.06 | raster | i'm totally not surprised |
| 12:01.13 | raster | i have noted many sillinesses in the boot myself |
| 12:01.25 | raster | but only have so much time... |
| 12:01.35 | raster | so my priority is x and e and illume and stuff |
| 12:01.36 | balrog-k1n | sure |
| 12:03.05 | balrog-k1n | one of the things was loading the bootsplash and pulling in all the dynamic libs iirc ;) |
| 12:03.58 | balrog-k1n | which caused the boot splash to appear on the screen later than poky would have fully booted already |
| 12:04.51 | balrog-k1n | or, well, booted into x, cause some stuff goes into the background |
| 12:06.33 | raster | balrog-k1n: l yes. thats exqusitie |
| 12:06.40 | raster | it linsk to ecore and so on |
| 12:06.50 | raster | and ecore_x sucks in xlibs etc. |
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| 12:06.55 | raster | it DOES mean x later starst faster |
| 12:07.01 | raster | as libs already loaded |
| 12:07.09 | raster | so all u rally do is bring forward stuff |
| 12:07.21 | raster | exquisitie should have a static build tho only wiht minimal framebuffer stuff |
| 12:07.23 | raster | it can be done |
| 12:07.26 | raster | just isnt in OE |
| 12:07.33 | raster | it shares the same dynamic libs |
| 12:07.48 | raster | personalyl i'd argue that yuou should even bringt x up that early |
| 12:07.59 | raster | ie run your boot splash in x |
| 12:08.21 | balrog-k1n | yeah, that would seem best, since x alone isn't so fat.. only if you add gtk, e, etc |
| 12:08.29 | raster | yeah |
| 12:08.37 | raster | then run a bootsplash in x |
| 12:08.56 | raster | then u at least can stop the "random console text messages" popping up |
| 12:09.07 | raster | and make transition from boot to "ui" more seamless |
| 12:09.18 | balrog-k1n | oh if the bootslpash was static i guess you could even do that without using any program |
| 12:09.20 | raster | so just let uboot do the single static image splash |
| 12:09.27 | raster | havekernel utterly ignore the fb |
| 12:09.32 | raster | do nothnig to it console-wise |
| 12:09.32 | balrog-k1n | iirc the xserver has some parameter to set the default background to a bitmap |
| 12:09.39 | raster | THEN x just jumps in from there |
| 12:09.44 | balrog-k1n | instead of the b & w checker |
| 12:09.53 | raster | yes - i know |
| 12:09.58 | raster | some patches |
| 12:10.01 | raster | i sue it in my image |
| 12:10.03 | raster | use |
| 12:10.13 | raster | as such tho |
| 12:10.20 | raster | dynamic lib loading SHOULD be much faster |
| 12:10.22 | balrog-k1n | humm, i thought x on my desktop has that too (?) |
| 12:10.23 | raster | even wiht a lot of them |
| 12:10.28 | raster | if flash wanst so damned slow |
| 12:10.34 | raster | the flash on the fr is abysmal |
| 12:10.41 | raster | like 2mb/sec raw read rates |
| 12:10.46 | raster | not including any jffs2 overhead |
| 12:10.47 | balrog-k1n | iirc even xfree86 had it.. |
| 12:10.53 | raster | hmm no |
| 12:10.58 | raster | it doesnt |
| 12:11.08 | raster | its a patch |
| 12:11.24 | balrog-k1n | ah, you have to use xsetroot |
| 12:11.27 | raster | yes |
| 12:11.30 | raster | so x is already up |
| 12:11.34 | balrog-k1n | but it's part of xfree86 since the 90s |
| 12:11.40 | raster | u are now in the "x clients can do what they like" mode |
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| 12:12.02 | raster | the only standfrad option is to have a "black screen" instead of the x weave |
| 12:12.12 | balrog-k1n | oh, true |
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| 12:13.04 | Kensan | raster: since everybody is passing around links to the "booting eeepc in 5 seconds": do you think the changes they made to X could also be done to the FR X? |
| 12:13.05 | Shlee | I don't know what the issue is.. but I seem to have alot of mis-hits on the qt4.4 keyboard |
| 12:13.13 | Shlee | compared to the FDOM build anyway |
| 12:14.25 | Kensan | raster: compilation of keyboard mappings for example. |
| 12:15.47 | raster | Kensan: ugh... u need to relate them to me. havent looked. |
| 12:15.48 | raster | as i siad |
| 12:15.50 | raster | been there - done that |
| 12:15.53 | raster | patches x startup |
| 12:16.04 | raster | removed mountains of exsess module stats/load/relaods |
| 12:16.11 | raster | and excess x driver chip re-inits |
| 12:16.20 | Kensan | raster: http://lwn.net/Articles/299483/ |
| 12:16.34 | Kensan | raster: Haven't looked for the actual patches tho |
| 12:16.48 | raster | btw |
| 12:16.52 | raster | 1 second budget is high |
| 12:17.29 | raster | for kernel |
| 12:18.00 | Kensan | raster: well FR takes 16 atm :( |
| 12:18.02 | raster | the solution we did was everything in initrd |
| 12:18.06 | raster | and almost nothing in kernel |
| 12:18.11 | raster | that made it damn fast |
| 12:18.26 | raster | we didnt do any readhahead patch |
| 12:18.31 | raster | as the initrd solved that |
| 12:18.34 | Kensan | raster: you mean module wise? |
| 12:18.43 | Shlee | Anyone bootcharted fr? |
| 12:18.52 | Kensan | Shlee: yes I did a couple |
| 12:18.57 | raster | i nixed keymaps entirely |
| 12:18.59 | Kensan | Shlee: there's also one in the wiki |
| 12:19.08 | Kensan | raster: ah ic. |
| 12:19.48 | raster | u want to nuke x's need for a fixed and cursor font too |
| 12:19.52 | raster | i patched x to not need them |
| 12:20.03 | raster | as any cursor and font are set up later by x clients |
| 12:20.09 | raster | why bother make x look for and require them |
| 12:20.21 | raster | so its similar things |
| 12:20.34 | raster | as such kdrive makes our lives much easier - less nasty than xorg desktop x |
| 12:20.35 | Kensan | raster: ah. |
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| 12:21.17 | Kensan | raster: yeah, I was wondering how much of their changes could actually also be applied to FR's X |
| 12:21.45 | Kensan | raster: and since you were readily answering all of my questions I thought I might ask *hehe* |
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| 12:22.40 | raster | hahahaha |
| 12:22.50 | raster | really the initial rc/rcS in oe need a lot of fixzing |
| 12:22.52 | raster | the bootscripts |
| 12:23.04 | raster | and exquisite is a little nasty in its loading of shared libs that it doesnt need |
| 12:23.07 | raster | (ie al the x libs) |
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| 12:23.37 | raster | i have considered making ecore_x actuually totally dynamically load all x libs/extensions as oppsoed to compile-time link |
| 12:23.41 | raster | but thats a fair bit of code |
| 12:23.54 | Kensan | raster: hm ok. |
| 12:24.12 | john | What |
| 12:24.24 | Kensan | raster: the next thing I wanted to take a look at was udev. It takes 20 secs on it's own. |
| 12:24.30 | john | what's the trade-off between X and FB? |
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| 12:26.09 | Kronk | Howdy all :) |
| 12:26.13 | john | With QTembedded natively being FB, would it be an idea to try to port other Desktop code to frame buffer? |
| 12:26.32 | raster | Kensan: udev is a major problem - yes. mdev i thnk is the solution |
| 12:26.47 | raster | ... but if u have something faster that ":solves the problem" as well as udev |
| 12:26.58 | raster | john: no real tradeoff between x and fb |
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| 12:27.23 | raster | fb can be written to sooner, and has a little less overhead, but u get no infra for drawing or sharing the fb - x provides that |
| 12:27.39 | raster | as such qt has its "own world" |
| 12:27.43 | john | In the eeePC solution, they used the old-fashioned /dev directory for boot-time, then udev only for hot-plug stuff. |
| 12:27.49 | raster | where qt acts as xserver basically |
| 12:28.02 | raster | it locks/unlocks fb and gfx chip access and co-ordinates |
| 12:28.08 | raster | as such that is just what x already does |
| 12:28.20 | raster | qt just re-invented it in qt-emebdded (qtopia) |
| 12:29.07 | john | But does it do it better, faster, stronger than X? |
| 12:29.20 | john | Just brainstorming here. |
| 12:29.33 | Kensan | raster: oh uh, reinvented. |
| 12:29.39 | raster | no |
| 12:29.49 | raster | qt-e doesnt do better - or worse than x in principle |
| 12:29.52 | raster | EXCEPT one thing |
| 12:29.53 | raster | DGA |
| 12:30.01 | raster | whihc as such over the long termis not a very good option |
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| 12:30.38 | Kensan | raster: duplicating work just sucks. |
| 12:30.49 | raster | (direct fb access for x clients - x DEOS suppor it via DGa but it comes with caveats - ie ONLY useful in fullscreen mode. qte hasd a nice method with qtdirectpainter to do this AND handle cliping rects properly - if you as an app are smart. the evas qtopia enigne does this actually) |
| 12:30.58 | john | So, porting QTembedded to use X is the quicker option than porting Gnome, E, etc, etc to QTembedded. |
| 12:31.13 | raster | so x misses the ability to do direct fb access AND still do cliprects for other on0-screen widgets |
| 12:31.14 | raster | BUT |
| 12:31.18 | raster | all this becoems moot if u |
| 12:31.22 | raster | 1. do compositign and alpha blending |
| 12:31.29 | raster | 2. if your gfx hw doesnt allow direct writes to the fb |
| 12:31.42 | raster | and hw more and more either doesnt allwo "sane" direct writes |
| 12:31.43 | raster | OR |
| 12:31.51 | raster | thgnis mroe to compositing (with alpha blending etc.) |
| 12:31.57 | raster | and so it becomes "useless" to have it |
| 12:32.10 | raster | as such qte to x is the better option |
| 12:32.20 | raster | the probhlem is qte "assumes" it runs on its own fb implementation |
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| 12:32.38 | raster | thus it "assumes" things like going from gtqimage ->< pximaps and back to qtimage is "instant" but |
| 12:32.45 | raster | the qt x11 port does it the long way |
| 12:32.50 | raster | all the way to real pixmap in x and back |
| 12:32.53 | raster | and thus is sloooooooooooooow |
| 12:32.58 | raster | it does silly things on the x11 port |
| 12:33.02 | raster | those just need fixing |
| 12:33.15 | raster | and it should run about as fast in x11 as "native qte on fb" |
| 12:33.20 | john | And are you done fixing them yet (-; |
| 12:33.24 | raster | no |
| 12:33.28 | raster | not my job |
| 12:33.34 | raster | i have e and efl and illume to wory about |
| 12:33.40 | raster | qt is someone elses work |
| 12:33.50 | raster | i just happen to keep tabs in whats going on in that box |
| 12:33.59 | raster | got my own sandbox to make yummy |
| 12:34.00 | raster | :) |
| 12:34.01 | john | prods lpotter |
| 12:34.45 | john | It's nice to know you're the best person to get info from. |
| 12:35.08 | Kensan | is happy raster got his own sandbox again |
| 12:36.19 | Wonka | hands raster a shovel and sieve to keep his sandbox clean |
| 12:36.49 | Wonka | hrmf. i want e and illume in debian. |
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| 12:37.37 | Wonka | any way to disable decoration for particular windows in xfce? |
| 12:38.16 | Wonka | the active window is already marked and named in the panel... why does it need another title bar? |
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| 12:41.22 | raster | hehehehe |
| 12:41.31 | raster | oook |
| 12:41.39 | raster | my redo of elementary api is coming on... |
| 12:41.45 | raster | now just 1 more widget to test for tonight |
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| 12:47.32 | Shlee | lol, this QT4.4 sms bug is great.. 12 new messages! |
| 12:48.32 | OdyX | how is this qtextended ? useable GPS ? |
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| 12:51.28 | Kensan | raster: so I will start the illume build. Guess it will be a while ;) I will tell you/send patches if I hit other bumps along the way. |
| 12:56.11 | leinir | Shlee: *giggles*Yes, that one is really random :) |
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| 12:57.23 | raster | Kensan: :) |
| 12:57.26 | raster | let it go |
| 12:57.29 | raster | once u've built it once |
| 12:57.32 | raster | its faster later |
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| 13:00.58 | Kensan | raster: well that's why I bought my shiny new rig so finally I can put it to good use :) |
| 13:01.14 | raster | hehehe |
| 13:03.09 | Kensan | raster: well gotta do some stuff. You should go on tidying up your sandbox ;) |
| 13:03.34 | Kensan | raster: everybody is waiting to be invited to play along *heh* |
| 13:04.40 | bumbl | raster: elementary = your new gui framework based on evas and edje? |
| 13:08.03 | raster | Kensan: hmm kind of already invited |
| 13:08.30 | raster | i dont tend to make grandiose marketing invitations etc. |
| 13:08.49 | raster | i just tend to plod along and wonder if others want / will join in the plodding ad a i walk past |
| 13:08.51 | raster | bumbl: yes |
| 13:08.52 | Shlee | the sms part of 4.4 is boned.. If you're writing a message while you recieve a message. it will ask if you want to return to the originally message.... forever |
| 13:08.52 | raster | :) |
| 13:09.37 | bumbl | raster: nice |
| 13:09.54 | bumbl | when will it move to e17 svn or is it already there |
| 13:10.44 | raster | already there |
| 13:11.53 | Kensan | raster: hehe yes, that's much better imho. I am definitely for plodding along. Plus the rumour has already spread. |
| 13:14.54 | raster | :) |
| 13:15.01 | raster | i much prefer the rumor-mill method |
| 13:15.03 | raster | more low-key |
| 13:15.14 | raster | eart your merits by actual work and results |
| 13:15.22 | raster | not just marketing blurbs and publicity |
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| 13:49.29 | Kronk | Can anyone recommend a semi-functional distro to run on Neo 1973 GTA01-V4 other than OM 2007-02 ? Been going through the wiki and it seems rather dis-jointed re Freerunners now over Neo 1973 :( |
| 13:50.10 | Shlee | Kronk: The QT4.3/4.4 release is the best functional distro for a phone |
| 13:50.26 | Shlee | if you want to mess with the ports/applications, check FDOM |
| 13:51.23 | Kronk | Ta 4.4 working on Neo 1973 ? I've loaded it to my Freerunner and it's pretty sweet but I'd like to update my Neo 1973 as well :) Wasn't anything in QTextended 4.4 for GTA01-v4 the other night when I checked :) |
| 13:51.26 | leinir | Qt Extended 4.4.1 with mwester's kernel :) |
| 13:53.36 | Kronk | Thanks :) |
| 13:54.51 | Kronk | Neo 1973 4.4.1 image is up on QTexteneded now :) |
| 13:56.14 | Shlee | Nods. |
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| 13:56.59 | Kronk | Out of interest will the FDOM image work on a GTA01 ? Or are they only for GTA02 ? |
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| 13:58.07 | Kronk | I'm looking @ these |
| 13:58.08 | Kronk | http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM/ |
| 13:59.47 | Kronk | mwester's kernel site link from QTextended appears to be down ! |
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| 14:12.33 | sicu | Kronk: http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels |
| 14:12.33 | Kronk | Ta sicu :) |
| 14:15.58 | Shlee | Don't forget to grab the modules. |
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| 15:02.07 | Kronk | QTextened 4.4 seems to be up and running on my GTA01 thanks again :) |
| 15:02.27 | Sylar91 | good luck, you need it a lot... |
| 15:02.31 | Kronk | lol |
| 15:02.49 | Sylar91 | it is very unusable... |
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| 15:14.56 | caratorn | Hello, I'm trying to find imlib2 package for OM2008.9, does anyone have a clue? |
| 15:15.21 | swc|666 | nope |
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| 15:28.20 | Guest88390 | eya dudes |
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| 15:57.54 | jones__ | are there any mpd clients running on openmoko |
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| 16:05.23 | jones__ | i think the other jones is me |
| 16:05.31 | jones__ | damn screen sessions |
| 16:06.27 | Dave | What!? |
| 16:06.35 | Dave | identity crisis? |
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| 16:06.50 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 16:10.12 | Dave | yarr |
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| 16:16.20 | jones__ | PBeck, yes |
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| 16:16.45 | PBeck | jones__: harhar :D |
| 16:17.35 | jones__ | im worried, somewhere on an indetermant computer im running irssi |
| 16:17.42 | jones__ | i no idea where |
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| 16:18.46 | jones__ | could a mod kick the other me please |
| 16:19.14 | Dave | I think pbeck is a typo for pebkac |
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| 16:20.42 | Wonka | jones__: doesn't help anything. register your nick and use the local incarnation of the "ghost" command |
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| 16:21.26 | Dave | Wonka Wonka Wonka |
| 16:21.27 | Tig| | 'nings Dave |
| 16:21.31 | Dave | HALLO TIG |
| 16:22.02 | PBeck | Dave: what means pebkac? |
| 16:22.16 | Tig| | my freerunner is having an attack of fail again :) so time for another reflash :) are there any images kicking around for the SHR? |
| 16:22.22 | SpeedEvil | problem exists between keyboard and computer |
| 16:22.25 | PBeck | Dave: PBeck is a mix out of my suname and name |
| 16:22.26 | SpeedEvil | problem exists between keyboard and chair |
| 16:22.34 | Dave | ooh la la |
| 16:22.46 | PBeck | *surname |
| 16:22.49 | Tig| | apart from the bearstech buildhost as that only has gta01 images on there :( |
| 16:22.50 | PBeck | Patrick Beck :) |
| 16:23.17 | Dave | Problem exists between kiwi and cantalope |
| 16:23.48 | Tig| | Dave: ah that would explain it, my freerunner has not got libcantalope installed :) |
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| 16:24.07 | Tig| | and also I was using an emu to input it not a kiwi |
| 16:26.54 | Dave | Tig :D |
| 16:26.58 | Dave | :D |
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| 16:31.38 | lesouvage | I got a message after starting "mapping demo" on qt extended "Connecting waiting for fix" Any suggestion to get it working? |
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| 16:31.59 | lesouvage | I have tried it outside and wait for 10 minutes. |
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| 16:33.54 | lesouvage | Message is "Connected, waiting for fix..." |
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| 16:34.59 | mwester | wait longer :) lots longer, up to an hour. Also, keep the phone vertical somehow -- with the face of the phone perpendicular to the ground. |
| 16:36.31 | SpeedEvil | The hole down |
| 16:37.01 | mwester | Greetings Mr. SpeedEvil. |
| 16:37.08 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 16:37.50 | SpeedEvil | What we need is for someone with a full bladder and a flash camera to do the experiment. 20KV optional. |
| 16:37.56 | SpeedEvil | oops - mischan |
| 16:37.59 | Tig| | mwester: that is a tad sucky even indoors I get a fix with fso in about 5 mins tops and that is in my study which only has a small window and it is not near the desk |
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| 16:38.18 | mwester | Tigl: the issue is the first fix |
| 16:38.33 | mwester | thereafter, at least until the state is lost by the GPS chip, it is fine. |
| 16:38.52 | mwester | FSO saves the state, no other images do that AFAIK! |
| 16:38.56 | Tig| | mwester: ah, I am damn sure I have never waited an hour for it though :) |
| 16:39.03 | Tig| | ah :) |
| 16:39.09 | lesouvage | mwester: I don't have to turn on gps somewhere? I can't find the option. I have seen the maping demo working but now it doesn't. Any suggestion? |
| 16:39.12 | mwester | Neither have I, but some have reported times approaching that. |
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| 16:39.44 | mwester | lesouvage: Depends on the image, but yes the GPS needs to be turned on by something. |
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| 16:57.35 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rc8c70b0d02c4 10/framework/persist.py: persist: fix loading empty file |
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| 17:01.35 | Staticwave_Ace | does anyone know if qtopia will notify about voicemails yet? |
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| 17:07.00 | bipak | mwester: is there something like a changelog for your kernels? or a list of what your images fix? |
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| 17:11.44 | lesouvage | mwester: for some reason it start working in my own, solid brick build house. The gps chip most be of good quality, it just ake a while to let it show ;-) |
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| 17:14.15 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rbd4b1b4080cf 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: |
| 17:14.15 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Make Gypsy .Server methods callable if the resource is disabled |
| 17:14.15 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Without this fix standard Gypsy programs wont work |
| 17:14.16 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r686ab06b63be 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpschannel.py: |
| 17:14.16 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Clear sendbuffer after sending stuff (emdete) |
| 17:14.20 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Before we would resend everything that has ever been sent again and |
| 17:14.22 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: again. Big thanks to emdete for discovering! |
| 17:14.24 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r0c5bca63bac7 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: |
| 17:14.26 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: GPS epoch is Oct 6th not Oct 5th 1980 |
| 17:14.28 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: With this fix the time should be calculated correctly for the GPS |
| 17:14.30 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: receiver. Also slightly increase the time we wait after power on so the |
| 17:14.32 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: first configure packets don't go astray. |
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| 17:16.35 | mwester | bipak: There should be, I haven't written that up yet. Basically, at this particular point in time, I add only some latent debugging code that has no user-impact. There are currently no features or fixes beyond what is in the official Openmoko "stable" branch. |
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| 17:17.23 | mwester | The only other thing that might be different is the kernel configuration -- but that's specific to each distro anyway. For my kernels, you can get that from /proc/config.gz |
| 17:17.49 | Dave | Mwester! |
| 17:18.00 | Dave | Have you heard about this usaf thing? |
| 17:18.01 | bipak | mwester: ok, thanks |
| 17:19.39 | bipak | mwester: so in a user point of view, it makes no sense using your kernel? |
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| 17:20.20 | mwester | bipak: an interesting way of putting it. |
| 17:20.46 | Bundestrojaner | is it right that the freerunner supports only USB 1.1? |
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| 17:22.29 | bipak | schäuble: yes |
| 17:23.22 | Bundestrojaner | rofl :D |
| 17:23.29 | bipak | :) |
| 17:23.31 | Bundestrojaner | hm, but why? |
| 17:23.44 | Bundestrojaner | this means, i need a few hours to put my mp3-collection on it... |
| 17:24.17 | bipak | you could fill your SD card with a cardreader and put it back into the fr |
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| 17:28.06 | lesouvage | how do I startup the sshd with qt extender image installed. I want to ssh to the freerunner over wlan connection but got the message "ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.102 port 22: Connection refused". Any suggestions or pointers? |
| 17:28.37 | bipak | sshd is running per default. 192.168.1.102 is the ip address of the usb interface |
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| 17:30.06 | bipak | no sorry its 192.168.0.202 |
| 17:30.53 | lesouvage | bipak: no, this is a wlan IP number. I can ping to it. Should I change the ssh.conf file on the freerunner to accept connections from 192.168.1.00 |
| 17:31.59 | bipak | maybe your sshd listens only on the usb interface? |
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| 17:34.37 | lesouvage | bipak: yes, i guess I have to change some settings. |
| 17:34.40 | lindi- | ssh.conf? |
| 17:35.05 | Bundestrojaner | btw: how does gps work on the freerunner? i mean with wich software? |
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| 17:36.18 | lesouvage | lindi: I just made that up. Do you know the the name of the file I have to change? |
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| 17:38.31 | lindi- | lesouvage: which ssh server do you use? |
| 17:38.36 | lesouvage | Bundestrojaner: gps works well, eve inside the house. The only thing is that it takes a serious time before it works. |
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| 17:39.01 | Libellensommer | hallöchen |
| 17:39.20 | Bundestrojaner | lesouvage: i don't doubt on the gps-receiver but: Hwo makes the maps for it? |
| 17:39.43 | Bundestrojaner | lebellensommer: hallo |
| 17:40.06 | kpawanro | are there more people with Om2008.9 who can't configure there OpenMoko decently because the letters in the configure screen are too large? |
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| 17:42.31 | lesouvage | lindi: I have qt extender 4.4.1 installed. I guess it is dropbear |
| 17:42.32 | Libellensommer | *winker* |
| 17:44.25 | lindi- | lesouvage: simple man dropbear shows how to make it listen on specific address |
| 17:45.27 | Bundestrojaner | has anyone gsp running on a openmoko-system? |
| 17:45.37 | Bundestrojaner | where did you get the maps? |
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| 17:45.59 | lindi- | gsp? |
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| 17:46.11 | Bundestrojaner | gps |
| 17:46.16 | lindi- | sure |
| 17:46.58 | lesouvage | Bundestrojaner: on om2008.9 there is great software that makes use of the opencontent project "open street maps" If it all works as intended my opinion is that it is a real killer app. |
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| 17:47.41 | Bundestrojaner | what is om2008.9? |
| 17:47.41 | Bundestrojaner | shall this be a url? |
| 17:48.02 | jones__ | the .9 domain isnt too popular |
| 17:48.38 | lesouvage | Bundestrojaner: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
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| 17:49.14 | lesouvage | and the rest of this wiki |
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| 17:49.36 | markit | is something like TomTom navigator available for OM? |
| 17:50.50 | lesouvage | Bundestrojaner: tangogps is what you are looking for. |
| 17:50.52 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r6d30d6eb5e13 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/const.py modems/abstract/mediator.py): ogsmd: Replace timeouts of individual commands with command classes |
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| 17:53.30 | Bundestrojaner | wow, the street where i live is in it :P |
| 17:53.44 | Bundestrojaner | who creates this maps? |
| 17:54.49 | lesouvage | Bundestrojaner: it is open content. Lots of people walked, biked and drive the streets collecting coordinates every second and uploaded the info collected to the openstreet project. |
| 17:55.12 | lesouvage | Bundestrojaner: are you trying tangogps? |
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| 17:55.39 | Bundestrojaner | lesouvage: i don't have a openmoko-system |
| 17:55.59 | Bundestrojaner | i think on buying one, that's why i'm here |
| 17:56.14 | malik1972 | Bundestrojaner: dont buy it |
| 17:56.29 | Bundestrojaner | why not? |
| 17:59.07 | lesouvage | Bundestrojaner: the idea of an open phone is great, but the phone is more or less in beta stage and not suitable for day to day use. You need lots of linux knowledge, time and expertise to get it working more or less. |
| 17:59.10 | jones__ | can you use openmoko to map? |
| 17:59.40 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 17:59.47 | jones__ | good |
| 17:59.54 | jones__ | mine arrives at some point on monday |
| 17:59.56 | SpeedEvil | But not I think with any specific software. |
| 18:00.04 | Bundestrojaner | lesouvage: i'm using Gentoo as only system ;) |
| 18:00.05 | SpeedEvil | I've used cat+gzip to log the GPS output. |
| 18:00.09 | SpeedEvil | Also tangogps |
| 18:00.36 | jones__ | would it be a challenge to hack some together |
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| 18:01.09 | lesouvage | Bundestrojaner: If you are a kind of uber geek and you like to hack, try, develope on an open platform this phone is yout wettest dream. |
| 18:01.26 | lesouvage | yout=your |
| 18:01.35 | SpeedEvil | jones__: there is no real app for it specifically. |
| 18:02.01 | jones__ | hmmm, is it just formatted data |
| 18:02.12 | jones__ | wouldnt be too difficult to put together |
| 18:02.50 | jones__ | seems my flt is already on open streetmap |
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| 18:03.47 | jones__ | actaully the complex is theres only like four of the buildings |
| 18:04.07 | jones__ | have you maed structures SpeedEvil? |
| 18:04.12 | jones__ | mapped* |
| 18:05.19 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:06.49 | jones__ | i feel obliged to get my student accomodation on correctly then |
| 18:07.11 | SpeedEvil | Done most of |
| 18:07.13 | SpeedEvil | http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=56.1957&lon=-3.1377&zoom=12&layers=B000FTF |
| 18:07.25 | SpeedEvil | Needs me to fill in names, and do more streets. |
| 18:08.24 | jones__ | you're only in Glenrothes? |
| 18:08.32 | jones__ | im up in aberdeen |
| 18:09.38 | SpeedEvil | Think I've only got as far as a bit above montrose on one occasion mapping. |
| 18:10.38 | jones__ | Hmm think I'll do some of the godo bike routes |
| 18:11.05 | jones__ | bright pink are details areas right? |
| 18:12.31 | SpeedEvil | bright pink? |
| 18:12.42 | jones__ | pinkish areas |
| 18:13.01 | jones__ | if you look at aberdeen its mostly grey, but there are some pink areas |
| 18:13.31 | SpeedEvil | pink is the colour of landuse:residential tagged areas. |
| 18:13.39 | SpeedEvil | On the default maps. |
| 18:13.48 | jones__ | ah okay |
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| 18:14.55 | SpeedEvil | Err - sorry |
| 18:15.00 | SpeedEvil | landuse:industrial |
| 18:15.09 | SpeedEvil | landuse:residential is gray. |
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| 18:17.36 | SpeedEvil | jones__: and it seems someone's been tracing from yahoo over aberdeen. |
| 18:18.00 | SpeedEvil | jones__: that can be inaccurate both due to old imagery, and bad registration of the images. |
| 18:18.41 | jones__ | either way, if i do any mapping ill catch alot of areas again |
| 18:19.01 | SpeedEvil | Ypou'll notice there are no streetsigns. |
| 18:19.11 | SpeedEvil | s/sign/name/ |
| 18:20.14 | SpeedEvil | streetnames, traffic light, oneways, ... |
| 18:20.48 | edje | hi all, wpa_supplicant is only working once. after a disconnect it won't start again. is there a fix for this? ( using wpa/tkip ) |
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| 18:27.04 | lesouvage | Should tangogps run on QT extender? |
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| 18:31.54 | deever | anyone else here with #1841: "white screen of death (WSOD) after resume"? |
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| 18:40.42 | Bundestrojaner | Physics is to math what sex is to masturbation :D |
| 18:41.57 | Bundestrojaner | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.15 | viq | There was some other nice quote somewhere |
| 18:42.24 | viq | Though I don't think from him |
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| 18:43.48 | viq | Something along the lines of: You drive over a bridge, which was build by an engineer according to rules specified by materials specialists, which worked usig rules figured out by physicists, who used an equation created by a matematician - who had no idea it could be put to any practical use. |
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| 19:22.09 | lesouvage | I'm reflashing my device from qt extender to om2008.9 . Hope to get the basics up and running. |
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| 19:25.31 | Tig| | lesouvage: imhe I would reflash to FDOM rather than om2008.9 to get things up and running |
| 19:26.21 | lesouvage | Tigl: I haven't tried that image but I will give it a shut. Do I have to reflash the kernel and the rootfs? |
| 19:26.37 | lesouvage | I'm now running kernel of om2008.9 |
| 19:26.52 | Tig| | lesouvage: probably just the rootfs then |
| 19:27.23 | Tig| | it is basically 2008.9 with some userland fixes and some preinstalled apps |
| 19:27.40 | Tig| | all info is on the wiki under distributions :) |
| 19:30.42 | lesouvage | Tigl: thanks, I'm downloading the image and will flash it in short time. |
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| 19:30.54 | Tig| | no worries :) |
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| 19:33.48 | sigius | Are images of SHR available online or should I build them myself if I wanted to try this distribution ? |
| 19:35.43 | Tig| | sigius: there might be some kicking about but the only ones I have seen are for the gta01 |
| 19:37.52 | sigius | Tigl, ok thanks. ill try out another one first then |
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| 19:39.49 | lesouvage | Tigl: I read that nano is part of the image. A useble editor will help a lot ;-) |
| 19:41.52 | mwester | emacs is, or was, available. |
| 19:41.58 | mwester | I use "joe" |
| 19:42.22 | mwester | (joe has "jmacs" -- a lot like emacs, but lighter-weight) |
| 19:42.35 | Tig| | mwester: he did say usable so not emacs :) |
| 19:42.44 | mwester | tsk tsk |
| 19:43.20 | Tig| | htf can you do all the chorded keyboard stuff on a predictive text keyboard? :) |
| 19:43.37 | Tig| | unless someone has made an emacs dictionary :)n |
| 19:43.54 | mwester | :) Bluetooth keyboard, who wants to use that on-screen thingy anyway?? |
| 19:44.39 | Tig| | ctrl+alt+w+t+f == prediction: either you are using emacs or a spider is having a fit on your phone :P |
| 19:45.21 | Tig| | mwester: I like my bt keyboard but the whole hidd deprication thing could suck a basketball through a hosepipe |
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| 19:46.26 | lesouvage | Linphone is part of the image? I have a Russian webpage open about FDOM and I see the word VOIP and LINPHONE between the russian character written page. |
| 19:46.33 | Tig| | without a replacement for hidd bluez on the commandline is broken for a non programmer |
| 19:46.35 | mwester | I suppose we could port Windows "notepad" for those who aren't up for using emacs... |
| 19:47.00 | Tig| | mwester: or just use vim :) |
| 19:47.15 | lesouvage | Nano is fine for me |
| 19:47.18 | mwester | vi and vim are to text editors as uboot is to the kernel. |
| 19:47.50 | mwester | enjoys an occaisional round of the ancient game of "editor wars" :) |
| 19:47.54 | lesouvage | I ahve ever understand the charme and ease of use of vi. It just drives me crazy. |
| 19:48.00 | mwester | But I have to run now - happy editing! |
| 19:48.12 | Tig| | mwester :) toodle pip :) |
| 19:48.22 | lesouvage | hoi |
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| 19:50.00 | Tig| | lesouvage: if you use vim -N then things are less painful :) things like normal arrow keys work, then once you have figured insert and overtype modes then you are basically sorted :) |
| 19:50.51 | Tig| | although for just editing the one line nano is great for normal people :) |
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| 19:53.44 | GNUtoo | hello, is FSO testing down? and what package were present? a lot or few packages? like normal FSO or like 2008.9? |
| 19:54.00 | GNUtoo | s/testing/testing repository/ |
| 19:58.14 | lesouvage | Tigl: I just finished the fdom flash. The bootproces fails with lots of kernel kind of errors. Now flashing kernel of om2008.9 . Hope this wil fix the problems. |
| 19:59.13 | lesouvage | No rebooting with new kernel |
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| 19:59.34 | Tig| | lesouvage: FDOM worked for me the other day |
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| 20:00.36 | Tig| | GNUtoo: interesting, both the FSO buildhost and the bearstech one now seem only to have gta01 images available, I think something silly has happened to them and been shoved into git |
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| 20:01.06 | lesouvage | Tigl: I'm not a novice but i have a kind of talent to mix this kind of things up. libz.so.1 is missing and generates endless number warning lines |
| 20:02.03 | Tig| | lesouvage: not sure what is happening then :( |
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| 20:03.41 | lesouvage | Is it possible that I picked a GT01 image instead of a GT02. I saw just one version. |
| 20:04.02 | Tig| | lesouvage: where were you downloading it from |
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| 20:05.23 | lesouvage | Tigl: http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM/ I picked the first ne in the list. |
| 20:06.49 | Tig| | there are known issues with that server it can be a bit odd sometimes see : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM#Download |
| 20:07.08 | Tig| | I used the truebox one and had no problems. |
| 20:07.25 | Tig| | might be worth md5 checking the files you have before you re-download |
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| 20:08.31 | Tig| | lesouvage: they would be better not pointing to that server on the distro page |
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| 20:08.41 | deever | anyone else here with #1841: "white screen of death (WSOD) after resume"? |
| 20:08.53 | Tig| | right I have to dash off for a bit, toodles |
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| 20:12.29 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | .o/ |
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| 20:50.48 | lesouvage | Tigl: rebooting again, the problem seems to be fixed. |
| 20:51.47 | lindi- | deever: does it only happen with xglamo? |
| 21:02.56 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r25a1910a6e4b 10/packages/efl1/edje_svn.bb: [edje-utils] Add recommends to edje-utils |
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| 21:23.51 | deever | lindi-: no, 'm using qtopia |
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| 21:30.26 | sigius | I'm scp-ing a file on my pc over to my sdcard in the openmoko. Speeds slow down quickly from something like 300kbps to about 10kbps. This is regardless of whether I am scp-ing over usb or wifi. Any suggestions as to what could be the reason ? |
| 21:30.49 | lindi- | sigius: can you try netcat? |
| 21:30.58 | Dave | nice |
| 21:31.03 | Dave | is the sd fs fat? |
| 21:31.28 | sigius | Dave, no its ext2 |
| 21:31.35 | sigius | lindi-, ill try that now |
| 21:31.36 | Dave | Ah, okay |
| 21:31.46 | Dave | bugcat lindi |
| 21:33.46 | GNUtoo | sigius, try remounting the card with async |
| 21:38.02 | sigius | lindi-, tried netcat, about as slow as before |
| 21:38.09 | sigius | GNUtoo, ill try that |
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| 21:46.01 | Dave | Hmm |
| 21:47.01 | sigius | GNUtoo, that definitely helped things. Its still quit slow though (100kbps on average) but that workable |
| 21:47.34 | sigius | s/that/thats |
| 21:48.30 | Dave | hrm |
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| 22:00.57 | deever | anyone else here with #1841: "white screen of death (WSOD) after resume"? |
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| 22:08.25 | lesouvage | I just flashed fdom. Although the device indicates that there is a wlan connection there isn't. ifconfig only shows localhost and usb0. What should I do to get the wlan connection up and running? |
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| 22:33.55 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 22:33.57 | SpeedEvil | http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16200 |
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| 22:49.42 | niklauz | hi guys |
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| 23:02.55 | deever | anyone else here with #1841: "white screen of death (WSOD) after resume"? |
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| 23:10.02 | cjb | hey, I haven't reflashed my FR in like three weeks now |
| 23:10.21 | cjb | what new release is there for me to waste time installing? ;-) |
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| 23:12.28 | KenYoung | cjb, THere's a new qtopia release, and an FDOM from the 27th of Sept. |
| 23:13.28 | cjb | ooh. what's an FDOM? |
| 23:14.20 | KenYoung | Fat Dirty Open Moko - it's 2008.9, with many of the things everyone gripes about (like the keybord) fixed, and lots of applications pre-loaded. |
| 23:15.33 | KenYoung | cjb, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM |
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| 23:18.37 | cjb | oh, wow |
| 23:18.50 | cjb | I was going to make a joke about how there might be a new distribution since the last time I looked |
| 23:18.56 | cjb | but I didn't expect it to be true |
| 23:19.35 | KenYoung | Hey, 3 or 4 distributions have probably gone through their entire life-cycle in the last three weeks. |
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| 23:20.58 | Dave | KenYoung! |
| 23:21.16 | KenYoung | Howdy Dave. |
| 23:21.30 | Dave | Remember that link I said I'd find you? |
| 23:21.34 | Dave | to that orrery ripoff? |
| 23:21.44 | Dave | (discounting whoever really came first) :P |
| 23:21.52 | KenYoung | Yes, but I thought I was going to do the ripping off. |
| 23:22.02 | Dave | :D |
| 23:22.05 | KenYoung | Did you find the link? |
| 23:22.08 | Dave | apparently it's called KStars |
| 23:22.09 | Dave | yes |
| 23:22.11 | Dave | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/8a741e60e709246577ba461fbd849db6.png |
| 23:22.19 | Dave | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f444ec19ec4c88399c2141711c3684b8.png |
| 23:22.47 | KenYoung | Boo hoo - looks better than mine. |
| 23:23.04 | KenYoung | I was going to put in constellation boundaries this weekend. |
| 23:24.01 | KenYoung | Oh, It's kstars. I've heard people talk about that one. |
| 23:24.12 | mjr | oh my god, it's full of kstars |
| 23:24.32 | KenYoung | mjr, Boy that was a terrible flick! |
| 23:26.24 | KenYoung | Dave, Thanks for the pointer. |
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| 23:31.29 | tessier | Hello all! |
| 23:31.36 | edistar | hello! |
| 23:32.23 | tessier | What is the most usable freerunner image these days? Still qtopia? I've got a $400 investment just sitting here doing nothing because the software that came with it is hardly functional. :) I need to reflash it with something newer and I'm wondering what to use. |
| 23:33.59 | KenYoung | tessier, For plain phone functionality, qtopia seems to get the best marks, but it doesn't support some important features, such as GPS. |
| 23:34.50 | KenYoung | tessier, I've had good luck with FDOM, but it still hangs unresumably every two or threee days. |
| 23:34.56 | tessier | What about wifi or gsm modem for web browsing and email checking? |
| 23:35.33 | tessier | GPS won't be that important to me until we get turn by turn driving directions or a decent interface for recording locations. |
| 23:36.24 | KenYoung | tessier, I think WiFi is irratic on all distributions, I've had good luck connecting WiFi with FDOM, but after a few hours it punks out on me. |
| 23:37.18 | lindi- | KenYoung: isnt wifi only about the kernel? |
| 23:37.21 | tessier | What is FDOM? |
| 23:37.44 | tessier | Is that aka 2008.8? Having so many different distros for the phone is confusing as well. |
| 23:37.51 | KenYoung | lindi-, I don't know, but that may be why none of the distributions have seamless WiFi. |
| 23:38.17 | KenYoung | tessier, Fat Dirty Open Moko - it's 2008.9, with many of the things everyone gripes about (like the keybord) fixed, and lots of applications pre-loaded. |
| 23:38.19 | edistar | yes, wifi is a driver problem.. |
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| 23:38.28 | lindi- | tessier: investment? you should be developing it ;) |
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| 23:38.38 | KenYoung | tessier, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM |
| 23:38.53 | tessier | KenYoung: Ah! That sounds like the one for me then. |
| 23:39.01 | lindi- | KenYoung: what else could affect it? |
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| 23:39.06 | davo_ | Atheros went back to an older version of the HAL |
| 23:39.07 | tessier | Now to figure out how to flash it... |
| 23:39.16 | davo_ | odds are the driver is flaky |
| 23:39.27 | edistar | davo_: 20:1, ok? |
| 23:39.34 | davo_ | ? |
| 23:39.45 | davo_ | ahh |
| 23:39.46 | davo_ | lol |
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| 23:44.47 | tessier | lindi-: Unfortunately I don't really have time. But I wanted to buy one to support the concept. |
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