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| 00:10.52 | slaxxin | fdom is big |
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| 00:13.58 | slaxxin | the download worked without wget -c |
| 00:14.14 | slaxxin | 123.5 megs |
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| 00:37.45 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4675 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/gta02-mmc-spi.patch: Disable pull-downs, just to keep things clean. |
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| 01:37.47 | prjktdtnt | anyone tried out the new FDOM yet? |
| 01:40.19 | slaxxin | yup |
| 01:40.24 | slaxxin | right now |
| 01:40.52 | slaxxin | cant seem to get yahoo on pidgin account setup with a password |
| 01:40.56 | prjktdtnt | how well is it working for you? I'm using the last update right now, sitting on a bus back home and was thinking of downloading the latest |
| 01:41.18 | slaxxin | it was slow untill i turned off animation |
| 01:41.56 | prjktdtnt | other than pidgin and animations any other glitches? How well is SMS/Calls and GPRS working on yours? |
| 01:42.19 | slaxxin | i dont know yet |
| 01:42.34 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4676 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/tweak-spi.patch: |
| 01:42.34 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Updated description of the SPI module's problems. They're not as grim as |
| 01:42.34 | CIA-22 | openmoko: the older comment suggested. |
| 01:42.34 | slaxxin | i use neither yet |
| 01:43.08 | slaxxin | nukem 3d started but thats as far as i got |
| 01:43.11 | prjktdtnt | ok I guess I'll just have to download it and give it a shot |
| 01:43.22 | slaxxin | yup:) |
| 01:43.32 | slaxxin | 123.5 megs |
| 01:44.02 | prjktdtnt | although I'll have to wait till I get home, gprs is too slow and I've less than two hours left till the laptop is dead |
| 01:44.09 | prjktdtnt | so it will be a long bus ride lol |
| 01:44.25 | slaxxin | so how do i use gprs anyways? |
| 01:44.33 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4677 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/lib/dxplore.py: |
| 01:44.33 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Highlight: |
| 01:44.33 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - waveforms can be edited, e.g., to manually correct glitches |
| 01:44.33 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Details: |
| 01:44.33 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - lib/dxplore.py (main_window): key "e" (edit) changes the value of the sample |
| 01:44.36 | CIA-22 | openmoko: on the right side of the cursor |
| 01:44.44 | prjktdtnt | the instructions in the wiki work pretty well |
| 01:44.56 | prjktdtnt | the biggest part of it is getting the chatscripts working |
| 01:44.56 | slaxxin | ok what does it do ? |
| 01:45.37 | prjktdtnt | internet through the openmoko |
| 01:45.45 | slaxxin | ok |
| 01:45.59 | slaxxin | i need that for gps maps |
| 01:46.05 | slaxxin | on the go |
| 01:47.15 | slaxxin | u mean dialup? |
| 01:49.11 | ieatlint | isn't fdom the one that's been criticised for potentially violating the gpl by being completely binary only with no way to get the source? |
| 01:50.22 | mwester | mutters something about the gpl not being the major issue; common sense and courtesy would require that much for a copy-cat distro, even if the distro owners despised the GPL. |
| 01:51.47 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 01:58.48 | ieatlint | is there a particular bottleneck that causes the openmoko to boot so slowly? |
| 02:06.35 | mwester | ieatlint: Yes. Nobody has bothered to even start working on it. |
| 02:07.10 | ieatlint | ah :) |
| 02:07.53 | ieatlint | that's a very common and chronic bottleneck |
| 02:09.33 | mwester | Yeah. It's a big thing that needs to be addressed, but in the scheme of things, it's not essential for the phone to work so I'm content if other thngs take priority... |
| 02:09.56 | mwester | s/essential/essential in order/ |
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| 02:12.38 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4678 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/ (4 files): |
| 02:12.38 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - renamed tweak-spi.patch to s3c-spi-fix-int-mode.patch |
| 02:12.38 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - s3c-spi-from-int-to-poll.patch: use poll mode instead of interrupt mode, for |
| 02:12.39 | CIA-22 | openmoko: a nice speedup |
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| 02:35.24 | pjz | also, since sleep works, how often do you really boot your phone anyway? |
| 02:36.18 | pjz | even crappy wince phones stay "up" for weeks or months, as long as you keep the batts charged |
| 02:41.18 | ieatlint | i agree that it's not necessarily the highest priorty |
| 02:41.34 | ieatlint | but to argue that the phone sleeps... well, sure, and sometimes it even wakes |
| 02:42.10 | ieatlint | it's a beta software stack.. and reboots are inevitable |
| 02:42.26 | pjz | fair enough |
| 02:42.28 | pjz | so get to work :) |
| 02:42.29 | ieatlint | it takes about 45s to boot the phone -- which is slow, but admittedly acceptable |
| 02:42.42 | ieatlint | it's the 2 minutes on top of that for x and the the wm to load that are obscene :P |
| 02:43.20 | pjz | also: which distro are you describing? :) |
| 02:43.40 | ieatlint | fso |
| 02:43.48 | ieatlint | but it's x and illume that are taking so long |
| 02:45.36 | pjz | well, so start them sooner :) |
| 02:45.56 | pjz | also: illume is python, no? so it's just got some extra startup overhead that's going to stay |
| 02:46.08 | sicu | i thought illume only used 10s max to load ....? |
| 02:46.35 | pjz | oh, wait, I might be wrong about illume being python |
| 02:46.56 | sicu | or maybe that's restart time ... perhaps it takes longer to load initially |
| 02:47.23 | ieatlint | hmmm, you're right, if i stop x after the phone is up, and then start it.. it takes 23s |
| 02:47.43 | ieatlint | but i can also clearly see init finishing in about 45s from cold boot |
| 02:47.54 | ieatlint | as to where that extra minute comes from, i dunno |
| 02:49.04 | pjz | stuff that has to start before X can start? |
| 02:49.14 | ieatlint | my god, there's a theif outside my window right now stealing things |
| 02:49.19 | ieatlint | bottles, cans... |
| 02:49.24 | pjz | !! |
| 02:49.45 | sicu | throw the FR after him and he will run away |
| 02:49.53 | ieatlint | it must be that init is forking things and so it appears to finish, but hasn't actually |
| 02:50.35 | ieatlint | yeah, these damned senior citizens needs to find more socially acceptable ways to afford their medications than petty theft.. the bastards |
| 02:50.35 | sicu | mhmm |
| 02:51.12 | sicu | they make a fortune on bottle/can recycling |
| 02:52.03 | ieatlint | indeed |
| 02:52.38 | ieatlint | that guy got at least 8 cans, which puts him a full $0.12 closer to his ultimate financial goal of world domination |
| 02:54.21 | sicu | i knew i headed into the wrong business |
| 02:55.00 | ieatlint | actually the police say there's a recycling "ring" here |
| 02:55.18 | ieatlint | they bully bars into agreeing to give them their bottles at the end of the night for fear of their places being vandalised |
| 02:55.32 | ieatlint | kinda funny in principle, i suppose |
| 02:56.28 | mwester | you live downtown somewhere, then, I presume. |
| 02:56.48 | ieatlint | not downtown, but an urban city.. san francisco |
| 02:57.29 | mwester | I'm sorry. |
| 02:57.31 | mwester | :p :D |
| 02:57.45 | mwester | Actually SF is a nice place -- at least to visit. |
| 02:57.55 | mwester | I couldn't every afford to live there!@ |
| 02:58.07 | mwester | ever, even. |
| 02:58.08 | ieatlint | i love it here |
| 02:58.28 | ieatlint | and it's competative with the rest of california, heh |
| 02:58.44 | malik1972 | mwester: hi |
| 02:59.10 | ieatlint | plus there's public transportation so i can get smashed at the bar and stumble home on the bus |
| 02:59.38 | mwester | I was there for a business trip; there was a tiny bungalow for sale across the street. We placed bets on what it was listed for; I about fell over when we found out that a 2 bedroom, one-floor tiny bungalow with no yard was > half a million. |
| 02:59.55 | mwester | gak! |
| 02:59.57 | ieatlint | yep |
| 03:00.00 | mwester | malik1972: greetings |
| 03:00.18 | ieatlint | even with the huge drop in real estate value, that bungalow would still be half a million |
| 03:00.21 | sicu | ouch, and i thought norway was bad |
| 03:00.37 | ieatlint | most people rent |
| 03:00.47 | ieatlint | you can rent a place like that for about $2k/mo |
| 03:01.02 | ieatlint | and our beer doesn't cost $10/pint here, unlike norway |
| 03:01.10 | mwester | That's still double the typical montly house payment in the US. |
| 03:01.27 | ieatlint | yeah, but only slightly more than california's typical payment |
| 03:01.58 | mwester | Yeah, I suppose one has to factor in that you don't pay $300/mo in the winter to heat the place either. |
| 03:02.15 | ieatlint | imagine how it is for us... we grow up with houses costing that much, and then learn you can buy like a 3 bedroom house for $100k with a huge yard |
| 03:02.18 | mwester | And your cars don't rust to bits in 5 years from all the road salt. |
| 03:02.18 | ieatlint | we start laughing |
| 03:02.21 | pjz | or, in the case of the SW, $300/mo in AC to cool the place |
| 03:02.48 | sicu | hmmm, i live in a 34 m2 meter flat in oslo with my gf, and we pay $1600/mo |
| 03:02.57 | ieatlint | yeah, almost no where here has AC |
| 03:03.05 | ieatlint | including businesses |
| 03:03.36 | ieatlint | everyone has heaters though... but you're talking lows at about 50f/7c in the winter |
| 03:04.00 | mwester | Bet Oslo needs heat in the winter, though. ;) |
| 03:04.04 | ieatlint | $45/mo for unlimited travel on public transit in the city |
| 03:04.42 | pjz | bought a 230ish m2 house for $375k in TX |
| 03:04.46 | slaxxin | my 3.3 acres cost 270.19 per month with insurance an taxes |
| 03:04.47 | sicu | ohjess, loats of heating ... and el prices are steap :/ |
| 03:04.52 | ieatlint | you get used to the prices... and wages are higher here |
| 03:04.54 | slaxxin | 15 years lol |
| 03:04.59 | ieatlint | minimum wage in SF is $9.6/hour |
| 03:05.12 | ieatlint | (US min wage is like $5.15/hour) |
| 03:06.24 | sicu | hmmm, think we got $2.5/hour working in KeyWest last year |
| 03:06.44 | ieatlint | you want funny... my father bought a house in a city on the san francisco bay -- 4 bedroom, .4acre yard, something like 4k sq feet in 1954 |
| 03:06.48 | ieatlint | $24k |
| 03:07.02 | ieatlint | adjusted for infaltion, that's probably about $80k |
| 03:07.03 | sicu | nice =] |
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| 03:07.16 | ieatlint | value at the time of his death... $1.2m |
| 03:08.14 | ieatlint | hence, our seniors who didn't buy houses scrounge for cans to pay for their bills |
| 03:08.45 | ieatlint | anyway, i love the weather in sf, the food, the bars, the politics |
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| 03:09.26 | sicu | havn't visited sf yet ... will have to go sometime |
| 03:09.43 | ieatlint | we're voting to rename our sewage treatment plant the "George W. Bush Sewage Treatment Plant" in november |
| 03:09.51 | ieatlint | it's expected to pass, hehe |
| 03:11.35 | sicu | must be a crappy old plant getting that kind of treatment ;p |
| 03:12.28 | ieatlint | actually the plant manager released a statement saying that it was a bad idea, as the plant was state of the art and hardly resembled/deserved the shitty image bush gives |
| 03:12.41 | sicu | haha |
| 03:12.43 | ieatlint | he used a kinder word than shitty, but the sentiment was clear |
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| 03:16.42 | mwester | It's unfortunate the residents of San Francisco have so little respect for the office of the President. They don't have to have any for the individual, but they go too far. Nevertheless, they have the right to free speech -- and so does everyone else, so they shouldn't be so surprised and angry when people make comments about SFO and especially their ridiculous mayor. |
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| 03:19.16 | sicu | would that still be Gavin Newsom ... or is there a new mayor now ? |
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| 03:19.36 | ieatlint | still newsom |
| 03:19.36 | mwester | There should be a new mayor, but I fear it is still he. |
| 03:19.43 | ieatlint | and respect is earned, not given |
| 03:19.53 | ieatlint | that's my view |
| 03:19.56 | ieatlint | i respect mccain |
| 03:20.02 | ieatlint | i don't support him -- but i do respect him |
| 03:20.16 | mwester | Ok. But I'm not speaking of individuals. |
| 03:20.24 | mwester | I speak of the position. |
| 03:20.31 | ieatlint | the office of presidency is hardly one of respect |
| 03:20.39 | mwester | Just as one does not refer to the CEO of a company as "hey dude!" |
| 03:20.46 | ieatlint | it's classically been plagued with corruption, partisianship, and pettiness |
| 03:21.12 | ieatlint | perhaps if bush respected california we'd feel differently |
| 03:21.48 | mwester | observes the classic stereotypical SF attitude. Good thing we have room for everyone in the country. |
| 03:21.56 | ieatlint | and our mayor isn't that crazy, but the much publicised immigration crap is -- which was not our mayor's explicit doing |
| 03:22.09 | ieatlint | our board of supervisors are crazier than the mayor |
| 03:22.15 | mwester | Chicago politics is about as corrupt as it gets, but I still say "sir" to policemen here. |
| 03:22.59 | ieatlint | i have personal issues with the word sir, but i refer to officers as officer, and give them a great deal of respect |
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| 03:24.36 | mwester | Eh, anyway, it matters not. In a few months, when a politician trained by the Chicago Political Machine takes office, we'll all find out what happens to the country. I'm curious. |
| 03:24.52 | mwester | :) |
| 03:24.55 | ieatlint | :) |
| 03:24.59 | ieatlint | i certainly hope so, hehe |
| 03:25.09 | mwester | Yep. We'll see a new spin on corruption. |
| 03:25.10 | ieatlint | but at least i think mccain won't be afraid of visit california |
| 03:25.29 | ieatlint | it's politics.. |
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| 03:26.02 | ieatlint | politics will always be a measure of the lesser evil |
| 03:26.12 | ieatlint | and to me, that lesser evil is clear |
| 03:26.14 | mwester | We'll all see that what we thought was corruption in government is like a candle in sunlighigt in comparison. |
| 03:27.03 | mwester | Well, I still leave near Chicago, so I've clearly come to terms with that sort of politics and corruption -- so I'm not too worried; I know what to expect. |
| 03:28.01 | ieatlint | well, my politics are predictably far left, and i'm optimistic about the presidential poll in november |
| 03:28.22 | ieatlint | but i hardly believe obama to be infalible |
| 03:29.29 | ieatlint | still, i'll be happy to see at least one disgusting war end, and the rarely heard word of diplomacy make a sudden appearance after an 8 year abscence |
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| 03:31.49 | ieatlint | oh, and you may be surprised at the level of criticism san franciscans will happily give about policians they support |
| 03:32.28 | ieatlint | including our mayor, who i voted for, and i could go on long rants about my issues with his decisions |
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| 03:33.30 | mwester | Do your research - - check out how a politician made an entire airport - with planes in the hangars and on the tarmac - vanish overnight. And got away with it. And then made the press stop talking about it. That's the mentorship that taught one of the candidates. THAT is the type of politics we'll be seeing -- or, rather, we WON'T be seeing. :) Powerful politics indeed. |
| 03:34.20 | ieatlint | i'll take a guess that's daly? |
| 03:34.27 | mwester | Daley Jr. |
| 03:34.39 | mwester | As masterfull (and more subtle) than his father. |
| 03:35.06 | ieatlint | how about a candidate who openly was racist, and has classically been against the popular opinion of the US public through two wars ... we can all spin things :) |
| 03:35.33 | ieatlint | but just like mccain said, if we pull out of iraq now, we'll have to go back later -- just like vietnam |
| 03:35.58 | mwester | The problem is that people are too frightened to vote independent. I get accused of throwing my vote away, but I'll not send it to either of the two parties. |
| 03:36.23 | ieatlint | sadly you are throwing your vote away :( |
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| 03:36.41 | ieatlint | but i agree that our political system would benefit significantly from a 3rd party, or even a 4th |
| 03:36.47 | mwester | Nope. I refuse to compromise my principles in order to vote AGAINST someone else. |
| 03:36.57 | ieatlint | coalitions are compatible with our congress, and it'd be great to see such a system |
| 03:37.56 | mwester | I'm throwing my vote away if I am bullied into voting for someone I do not trust, because they tell me that if I do not then a worse evil will happen. That's a self-perpetuating argument, and I'll have none of it. |
| 03:38.24 | ieatlint | it's a crappy situation, but idealism will only get you so far |
| 03:38.35 | mwester | why are we all here, then? |
| 03:38.47 | mwester | Is it so different to support open software and an open phone? |
| 03:38.59 | mwester | I want choices in both situations. |
| 03:39.02 | ieatlint | it is, to me |
| 03:39.16 | ieatlint | i don't feel obliged to convince others of my beliefs in order to participate |
| 03:39.23 | ieatlint | and that makes a difference to me |
| 03:40.05 | mwester | Not required in politics either -- just as in open source, there are those who "evangalize" and those who do not. |
| 03:40.46 | ieatlint | but how could a person like me participate in a 3rd party candidate's campaign without acting as a local advocate? |
| 03:41.00 | mwester | Vote. That's all that's required. |
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| 03:41.39 | mwester | Nobody should have to wear the funny hats and wave flags. Just like nobody should have to look like Stallman in order to promote open source ;) ! |
| 03:41.42 | ieatlint | eh.. that brings little satisfaction compared to a role of participation |
| 03:42.02 | ieatlint | stallman is scary |
| 03:42.13 | ieatlint | someone needs to tell him it's not a religion |
| 03:42.33 | mwester | That's exactly right! |
| 03:42.38 | sicu | it is for some |
| 03:43.15 | ieatlint | sicu: yeah, stallman, jobs, and apple users |
| 03:43.39 | lpotter | gates |
| 03:43.52 | lpotter | the sun dude |
| 03:44.12 | Gnutoo | by the way stallman doesn't promote open-source but free software...free software focus on freedom and open-source on practical advantages such as reliability and costs |
| 03:44.14 | ieatlint | gates advocates MS, but it doesn't go beyond capitalism methinks |
| 03:44.20 | sicu | apple users are seperate here me thinks ... more like a cult, blind obedience |
| 03:44.24 | ieatlint | the sun dude... maybe, he's borderline |
| 03:45.04 | ieatlint | woz is not part of the cult, happily |
| 03:45.20 | Gnutoo | for instance with freedom you are not spied by the programs owners...you don't have DRM, if there is a bug,someone can fix it etc... |
| 03:45.35 | ieatlint | anyway, if jobs ever anounces the founding of a place called "Jobstown" -- especially if in south america; be afraid |
| 03:45.51 | mwester | Jobs is much to smart for that. |
| 03:46.11 | mwester | He'll just announce "help wanted" adds in a place called "Cupertino" or there-abouts. |
| 03:46.21 | mwester | Wait - hasn't he done that already? |
| 03:46.26 | sicu | apple inc is the new jobstown |
| 03:46.44 | ieatlint | "Help Wanted: Purple Flavoraid Tester" |
| 03:46.51 | sicu | hehe |
| 03:47.34 | lpotter | woz _is_ a cult! |
| 03:47.58 | ieatlint | i've met woz, he's not crazy and he's insanely nice |
| 03:48.14 | mwester | It is rather funny to observe that Applie is just as evil in many ways (like the Apple Store recently) as is Microsoft, but everyone seems to love Apple, and hate Microsoft. |
| 03:49.17 | ieatlint | i have more issues with apple these days |
| 03:49.45 | ieatlint | MS looks/feels like a business... they'll screw you over a dime, sure |
| 03:49.51 | ieatlint | apple is just... crazy |
| 03:50.04 | sicu | that's because it's a trend to hate microsoft, just as it has become a trend to love apple |
| 03:51.32 | ieatlint | maybe linux should develop the motto "come on.. everybody's doing it" |
| 03:52.14 | mwester | heh - it's like someone described a sales rep he met -- he said the guy was an "honest crook". That's how I feel about Microsoft -- I know they want to empty my wallet, and they know that I know that, and there are few surprises that way. With apple, I just feel very nervous, as if I missed something in the contract when I bought that iPod, and I'll be screwed in the end in some huge way... but I don't know how. |
| 03:52.52 | ieatlint | "honest crook" -- that's exactly my view of MS |
| 03:54.06 | ieatlint | apple might be the confidence con |
| 03:54.39 | ieatlint | but they seem so nice and cuddily, until suddenly you have to pay $100 for the privelege to write programs for their platform that they can then blacklist at their will |
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| 03:56.15 | ieatlint | also they stack the playing field.. when they strictly control what hardware you can run their OS on, it's not a surprise that it's more reliable |
| 03:56.18 | sicu | ieatlint: you almost hit it spot on with that motto ... ppl just need something that feels familiar: http://gallery.eiriks.net/d/3924-2/foxtrot_linux_rewrite.jpg |
| 03:56.37 | ieatlint | i'm in a console right now and can't view images |
| 03:56.57 | sicu | save it for later then :p |
| 03:59.41 | ieatlint | i do have a great story about woz coming home to find me and two other geeks standing on his roof duct taping a 2m antenna to his chimney |
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| 04:00.44 | ieatlint | the details left out are him giving permission, and leaving his door unlocked so we could start while he was out :P |
| 04:01.15 | sicu | =] |
| 04:02.18 | ieatlint | (setting up an 802.11a site to site connection to use his t1 for a lan party) |
| 04:04.07 | sicu | the amount of ppl wanting to attend would thrash his T1 |
| 04:04.16 | ieatlint | err, was a 802.11 connection, not 802.11a |
| 04:04.55 | ieatlint | most of the people attending didn't know it was his t1... was 2001, he made a cameo appearance, and a sad number of people even recognised him |
| 04:05.06 | sicu | anyaways ... it's 6am and i have to go to work in 2hrs ... :/ |
| 04:05.11 | ieatlint | lol |
| 04:05.14 | ieatlint | time to go to sleep? |
| 04:05.15 | ieatlint | :P |
| 04:05.23 | sicu | correct ... gotta get some sleep |
| 04:05.59 | sicu | later .... nn |
| 04:06.35 | ieatlint | cya |
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| 04:13.49 | slaxxin | why sometimes the red aux light comes on an sometimes it doesn't? |
| 04:14.04 | slaxxin | 2008.8 |
| 04:14.08 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.22 | rooly | slaxxin: when charging? |
| 04:14.33 | slaxxin | well |
| 04:14.43 | slaxxin | it charges both ways |
| 04:15.07 | rooly | i've noticed it can take 2 or 3 tries before the light comes on |
| 04:15.20 | slaxxin | with no light it doesnt shoe a charge indicator |
| 04:15.54 | dns53 | i think it's still charging but it may only poll for that state every few minutes |
| 04:15.57 | slaxxin | if the light is not on u can unplug/plug an it comes on |
| 04:16.10 | dns53 | if you leave it there for a minute or two it can come on |
| 04:16.23 | slaxxin | it didnt come on |
| 04:17.11 | slaxxin | when the light6 is on the charge indicator is on |
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| 04:48.43 | fragged | Does the FR support blocking numbers, and answering machine services? |
| 04:49.07 | fragged | so say somebody calls me with there number withheld, I can forward it to a sound file saying to call without private on |
| 04:49.15 | slaxxin | not that i know of yet |
| 04:49.41 | slaxxin | but it may |
| 04:50.00 | fragged | Its theoretically possible, I just dont know that my development skills are up for it |
| 04:50.16 | fragged | but I'm really keen on getting a FR to play with, just dont have the cash flow at this point in time :( |
| 04:50.17 | slaxxin | time to test them:) |
| 04:50.34 | slaxxin | u have qemu? |
| 04:50.48 | fragged | Yeah, the image is a bit of a pain though |
| 04:51.15 | slaxxin | maybe the price will come down a bit |
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| 04:51.50 | slaxxin | a gta03 would be worth waiting for ----maybe |
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| 04:54.11 | fragged | slaxxin, theres a planned hardware release? |
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| 05:06.05 | slaxxin | not that i know of |
| 05:06.08 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.29 | ieatlint | there's a plan to release hardware, sure :P |
| 05:07.32 | ieatlint | just not a date |
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| 05:08.37 | ieatlint | i'm meeting the vp of marketing for openmoko on tuesday, i'll see if some threats can get some dates out of him |
| 05:09.56 | ieatlint | personally, i'd guess late summer/early fall |
| 05:10.08 | ieatlint | with the #1 issue being software |
| 05:11.28 | mwester | Maybe see if some threats will get a timeline for some software functionality -- that's of more interest to me than more paperweights. |
| 05:12.26 | ieatlint | hehe |
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| 05:23.09 | slaxxin | threating |
| 05:23.22 | slaxxin | thats a messed up word |
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| 05:26.30 | ieatlint | threatening |
| 05:26.38 | ieatlint | threating isn't a word |
| 05:32.18 | slaxxin | ok |
| 05:33.12 | ieatlint | yeah, english rules... it's a "regular" verb, but irregular from the noun |
| 05:35.07 | raster | boo |
| 05:35.47 | ieatlint | hey raster |
| 05:36.19 | ieatlint | you hung over from your saturday night? |
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| 05:37.07 | raster | nup |
| 05:37.54 | ieatlint | i'm on my way.. :P |
| 05:39.33 | ieatlint | okay, and i'm off for a little bit |
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| 05:47.29 | rafa_ | hi |
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| 09:52.07 | malik1972 | where i can find the "latest" 2007.2 images? |
| 09:52.24 | viq | I believe you're looking for celtune's repo |
| 09:52.58 | malik1972 | i am looking for something else -> http://www.mail-archive.com/support@lists.openmoko.org/msg00564.html |
| 09:53.31 | malik1972 | viq: for a good gsmhandset.state file |
| 09:54.44 | malik1972 | viq: he mentioned that he used the latest 2007.2 image so i wanted to compare the files |
| 09:54.55 | KenYoung | Are new Freerunners still pre-loaded with 2007.2, or are they shipping 2008.x now? |
| 09:55.25 | viq | 2k7 I believe |
| 09:56.14 | malik1972 | do you also have gsm problems like buzz, echo, low audio? |
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| 10:11.59 | lesouvage | I have installed tangogps and it seem to work ok. I set the dir to store them to my mini sd card. When I open the menu when I'm on the Map screen and choose the option map download nthing seems to happen. I turned wlan on, set the dns server, have access to the internet and the app has determined my location. Should there be any indication that the downloading is going on . It's 100 mb so... |
| 10:12.01 | lesouvage | ...it would take some time. Any suggestions? |
| 10:12.19 | SpeedEvil | du |
| 10:12.25 | lesouvage | them = map tiles |
| 10:12.28 | SpeedEvil | on the /media/card/whatever directory |
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| 10:13.29 | KenYoung | lesouvage, tangogps does not give any download status information, or any completion message, when it is downloading a set of tiles. |
| 10:13.41 | SpeedEvil | I think hte most recent one does. |
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| 10:13.56 | lesouvage | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.07 | KenYoung | Oh, perhaps I'm mistaken then. |
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| 10:14.59 | lesouvage | I have done an update, opkg install tangogps so I assume that I have the most recent version. |
| 10:15.37 | lesouvage | I end up with numbered files and directories but it certainly does not contain 100mb of map info. Something is happening but what? |
| 10:15.49 | viq | left low corner displays say D6 (number of threads) and 745 (number of tiles left to download) |
| 10:15.57 | SpeedEvil | how did you tell it to download? |
| 10:16.47 | viq | lesouvage: I have a lot of maps downloaded, and it's certainly less than 100MB |
| 10:17.23 | lesouvage | viq: of what screen? |
| 10:18.30 | lesouvage | Speedevil: hit the "Map" screen so a menu appears and hit the map download option after the app determined the location. |
| 10:18.44 | viq | lesouvage: map screen |
| 10:18.44 | SpeedEvil | lesouvage: what depth did you select? |
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| 10:18.58 | SpeedEvil | leu: a depth of 1 means download 4 tiles |
| 10:19.08 | SpeedEvil | leu: a depth of 2 means download 16 tiles ... |
| 10:20.12 | lesouvage | I choose +5 with an indiaction that it is 100 mb. It should fit on my sd card |
| 10:20.30 | SpeedEvil | your area has coverage? |
| 10:20.45 | SpeedEvil | You know that it only downloads what's on the screen? |
| 10:20.47 | viq | lesouvage: my "100MB" download takes up 30MB |
| 10:21.05 | SpeedEvil | That is - the area that is on the screen - in more detail |
| 10:21.06 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rdaf072935163 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: |
| 10:21.06 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd.ubx: Send the speed in knots to be compatible with the gypsy API |
| 10:21.06 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: (fixes Bug #97) Thanks rwhitby for discovering! |
| 10:21.30 | lesouvage | Yes my city was actually the first city covered by OSM project. I know the guy wh did this personally so I'm pretty shure the info must be there. |
| 10:21.36 | SpeedEvil | london? |
| 10:21.46 | lesouvage | No Assen in Holland. |
| 10:22.08 | SpeedEvil | I'm fairly sure england got mapped generally first. |
| 10:22.33 | lesouvage | Speedevil: the first city in Holland ;-) |
| 10:22.43 | SpeedEvil | Fair enough. |
| 10:22.56 | SpeedEvil | You've zoomed in live, and found actual data? |
| 10:23.03 | lesouvage | For those who like moterracing: yes we have the annual TT races in town. |
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| 10:23.14 | SpeedEvil | How much data is it downloading? (shown by du) |
| 10:23.20 | SpeedEvil | and what tangogps version? |
| 10:23.36 | viq | lesouvage: it's easy enough to compile tangogps on a computer, you can try it that way |
| 10:23.56 | lesouvage | I check it out and come back. Hold the line |
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| 10:24.09 | SpeedEvil | cues the channel hold music. |
| 10:24.28 | viq | hacks in and replaces the music with something else ;) |
| 10:27.23 | lesouvage | funny tangogps is indicating that I'm traveling 530 km p/h |
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| 10:28.24 | lesouvage | I see d6 -4436 and it is counting down :-) |
| 10:28.49 | viq | Yup, that's what you should see |
| 10:29.45 | lesouvage | All i need is some patience I guess. At this speed it will take an hour. |
| 10:30.04 | viq | Patience, young padawan, patience! |
| 10:30.06 | viq | ;) |
| 10:32.48 | lesouvage | I really think tangogps is a killing app if it is workng to its full potential. At least it is a good excuse for spending EUR 300,- on a phone that can't be use for day to day use. |
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| 10:33.57 | viq | heh |
| 10:34.07 | lindi-_ | lesouvage: being able to squash some bugs should be a good enough excuse already |
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| 10:39.00 | lesouvage | lindi: yes I know, don't get me wrong, I see the potential in terms of what it can do for the open source and open content community and how it can enables a service concepts for providing costum made and configured communication devices. |
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| 10:41.21 | lesouvage | I'm more a concept guy and not a developer, althogh I'm not a novice I'm certainly not a developer and actually don't fit the target group. |
| 10:42.42 | lindi-_ | lesouvage: oh, if everybody just fixed one bug/week it'd be enough :) |
| 10:43.24 | lesouvage | lindi: where is the bug tracker of om2008.9. |
| 10:44.09 | lindi-_ | lesouvage: bugs.openmoko.org i assume |
| 10:45.22 | lesouvage | lindi: Although part of the whole opensource concept I think it is a pitty that there are that many different images that can be flashed to the device. It makes it harder to get real commitment. |
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| 10:51.07 | raster | lesouvage: that entirely depends how different they are |
| 10:51.19 | raster | if they really just have a few differences in what packages they have and config |
| 10:51.21 | raster | does it matter? |
| 10:51.45 | raster | if they have vast differences |
| 10:51.45 | raster | sure |
| 10:51.50 | raster | eg qtopia vs all the x11 ones |
| 10:52.02 | raster | the x11 ones all at least share the same windowing system and are able to share apps |
| 10:52.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r54a9176c0489 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/const.py modems/abstract/mediator.py): |
| 10:52.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Raise timeout for SimSendStoredMessage to 10 seconds (fixes #156) |
| 10:52.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Also use of const.TIMEOUT instead of hardcoding the timeout value for |
| 10:52.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: SimSendAuthCode |
| 10:56.46 | lindi-_ | lesouvage: you shouldn't be flashing images in the first place if you ask me :) |
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| 11:01.26 | ChaosEagle | g'day :) |
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| 11:04.03 | ChaosEagle | Does anyone here have problems with the gpsd process suddenly vanishing on OM2008.9? |
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| 11:06.37 | lesouvage | lindi: what do you mean with not flashing. Stick to om2008? |
| 11:07.53 | lesouvage | Lindi: I have tried several images just after arival. I will now stick to om2008.9 and later versions. |
| 11:08.47 | raster | lindi-_: they are really convenient ways of getting a now os look and feel. |
| 11:08.52 | raster | as really installing packages at this stage is not practical given the state of wifi... |
| 11:08.53 | raster | :) |
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| 11:12.33 | lindi-_ | lesouvage: you can use a package manager |
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| 11:14.39 | pat^ | hi, does the battery life change/increase if the freerunner is used with qtopia ? |
| 11:15.57 | lesouvage | The tangogps download hangs d7 -1215 Will the download start again after starting again? |
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| 11:18.50 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * rf9a661ae0d5f 10/fso-gpsd.c: Cleanup |
| 11:18.50 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * rfd1cd578d6ba 10/ (ChangeLog fso-gpsd.c): |
| 11:18.50 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Fixed speed for frameworkd 2008-09-28 and newer |
| 11:18.50 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: framework commit: daf0729351631f93f9f2f22af33d46658c6f5d68 |
| 11:19.14 | lindi-_ | pat^: what consumes energy when the phone is in suspend? |
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| 11:19.51 | KenYoung | With the illume keyboard, is there an easy way to make it default to the "terminal" layout, rather than "Numbers", "Symbols" or "Default" ? |
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| 11:28.37 | lesouvage | lindi: I have "discovered" the package manager. Still have to do echo "nameserver 192.168.1.1 > /etc/resolv.conf but since the terminal is in place and I can switch keyboard it is not really a problem. |
| 11:28.45 | lesouvage | after reboot. |
| 11:29.46 | lindi- | lesouvage: how about fixing resolv.conf permanently? |
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| 11:31.54 | lesouvage | lindi: I tried that but I seem to do something wrong. I never stick to the same issue for to long because it would drive me crazy. The work around isn't that hard and I'm not ebooting all the times. Call it security by obscurity. |
| 11:32.28 | ChaosEagle | lesouvage: I think the problem is that /etc/resolv.conf is a symbolic link |
| 11:32.28 | lindi- | hrm |
| 11:32.50 | ChaosEagle | lesouvage: I just deleted it and created a real resolv.conf in its place. Seems to work fine :) |
| 11:35.04 | lesouvage | Years go I had Zaurus and I made symlinks to directries on the memory of the device to the sd card so after reflashing I just had to replace a handfull of symlinks to get my old system back. Can the same be done on the freerunner? |
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| 11:35.58 | mickey|tw | ya |
| 11:36.06 | mickey|tw | still the samy old ipkg tricks ;) |
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| 11:36.32 | pat^ | lindi-: lindi, i don't know since i don't own a freerunner yet. i was just asking because i read that the battery life is about 1 day. if that is true and can't be change by using qtopia for example, then i won't purchase a freerunner yet. |
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| 11:36.51 | happosade | hello |
| 11:37.04 | ChaosEagle | happosade: Hi! |
| 11:37.31 | happosade | Got error -110 on flashing.. how to change of the size of partition-thing |
| 11:37.50 | nyu | pat^: 1 day is very good. sometimes it died on me in 8 hours or so (but that was with om2007) |
| 11:39.01 | pat^ | nyu: oh ok. then will have to wait a little bit until the battery life increases. |
| 11:39.34 | nyu | pat^: I haven't tested batt life on qtopia |
| 11:39.39 | nyu | could be longer than 1 day |
| 11:39.44 | SpeedEvil | It's not really a qtopia/... thing |
| 11:39.56 | SpeedEvil | there are numberous battery saving bits that haven't been written yet. |
| 11:40.03 | pat^ | nyu: thanks for the information |
| 11:40.26 | SpeedEvil | For example, CPU frequency scaling - which is a work in progress (unusable ATM) |
| 11:41.04 | nyu | i stand corrected |
| 11:41.16 | pat^ | SpeedEvil: does the qtopia image us the same kernel than the openmoko image? |
| 11:41.24 | nyu | though, userland also has a role in waking up the cpu |
| 11:41.31 | happosade | how to clear openmokos memory to get space to new kernel and om |
| 11:41.32 | happosade | os |
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| 11:41.46 | SpeedEvil | It's really a combined userland + kernel + u-boot thing. |
| 11:41.51 | pat^ | ah ok |
| 11:41.59 | SpeedEvil | If all the parts are there, it works well. |
| 11:42.12 | SpeedEvil | (maybe a week standby, 12h+ mp3, ...) |
| 11:42.18 | pat^ | is there much work to be done? maybe i can help, but i am not a kernel developer, so i am not sure if i can help with this issue |
| 11:42.26 | SpeedEvil | Much of it is kernel. |
| 11:42.38 | pat^ | thats what i thought :) |
| 11:43.39 | nyu | SpeedEvil: u-boot as well? |
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| 11:44.00 | nyu | pat^: kernels are just big C programs |
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| 11:44.27 | nyu | except for some tricky parts like the scheduler |
| 11:44.41 | pat^ | nyu: yeah i know, i developed a small kernel module already, i meant that i am not an active or "big" kernel programmer, so i am not used to all the internals etc |
| 11:44.50 | nyu | if you can hack C & drivers you can hack linux :-) |
| 11:44.55 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_GTA01_Power_Management is an overview. |
| 11:45.02 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1c250aec4468 10/framework/ (5 files in 4 dirs): ogsmd: start catching up with new way of dealing with Resources |
| 11:45.02 | SpeedEvil | Much of that is still relevant |
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| 11:46.16 | pat^ | so the kernel is not able to dynmically adjust the speed of the cpu yet, right? |
| 11:46.36 | ChaosEagle | CU everyone =) |
| 11:46.38 | ChaosEagle | *waves* |
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| 11:47.06 | nyu | lots of work to be done, it seems :-/ |
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| 11:49.35 | Batchy | i've bridged a neo to my local network. it works fine, but it can't access the internet. launching a wireshark to monitor what's happen shows me that packets are sent through the interface, but it's like the neo ignore them |
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| 11:50.30 | lindi- | pat^: still, think about it, what does consume energy when the phone is in suspend? |
| 11:51.13 | dos1 | lindi-: ~4mA |
| 11:51.37 | lindi- | dos1: i was asking what consumes the energy, not how much is consumed :) |
| 11:51.49 | dos1 | oh :) |
| 11:51.53 | pat^ | lindi-: i suspend almost nothing, but i am not able to receive calls, am i ß |
| 11:52.18 | lindi- | pat^: why not receive calls? |
| 11:52.38 | pat^ | lindi-: i am not sure what components are active in suspend mode on the phone |
| 11:52.50 | lindi- | pat^: the GSM usually |
| 11:52.51 | dos1 | gsm, wifi, ram |
| 11:52.59 | lindi- | wifi can be off of course |
| 11:53.13 | dos1 | yes |
| 11:53.21 | pat^ | lindi-: ok, so it wakes up if the gsm module creates an interrupt ? |
| 11:53.30 | dos1 | pat^: yes |
| 11:53.35 | lindi- | pat^: if the GSM writes to the serial port yes |
| 11:53.37 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd9d37a2807a1 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/objects.py: ogsmd: startup on enabling resource now complete |
| 11:54.08 | pat^ | ah ok. i was thinking that the device acts like my notebook for example, but i haven't thought about, that i can wake up my notebook by a key press for example, doh :) |
| 11:54.33 | pat^ | but thats nice to know, so the life in suspend should be long enough |
| 11:54.54 | lindi- | yes |
| 11:54.55 | nyu | can you suspend in qtopia? |
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| 11:55.46 | nyu | lindi-: is this automated, or needs to be done manually? |
| 11:56.04 | lindi- | nyu: which part? |
| 11:56.18 | lindi- | nyu: i haven't managed to compile qtopia yet |
| 11:56.34 | pat^ | lindi-: i guess you own a freerunner? how long does the battery last if you suspend it regularly ? |
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| 11:57.06 | lindi- | pat^: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/logger and see yourself the battery energy statistics |
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| 11:57.28 | nyu | lindi-: are you working on qtopia debs? cool |
| 11:57.33 | dos1 | pat^: i'm using it often, but when i don't use it, it goes to suspend, and my fr lives for ~2 days |
| 11:57.37 | lindi- | nyu: no |
| 11:57.39 | nyu | lindi-: I'm using the qtopia/om distribution |
| 11:57.49 | lindi- | nyu: i'm just saying that i can't say much about qtopia since i have not managed to compile it |
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| 11:57.55 | nyu | ah ok |
| 11:57.57 | dos1 | qtopia/om? you mean asu (2008.8)? |
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| 11:58.18 | nyu | I mean qtopia UI on om distro, as opposed to would-be qtopia on debian |
| 11:58.32 | nyu | s/UI/UI et al/g |
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| 12:01.46 | dos1 | nyu: are you using qtopia on X11, or on fb? |
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| 12:02.53 | nyu | dos1: fb |
| 12:03.09 | dos1 | nyu: so it's not om distro |
| 12:03.38 | nyu | dos1: then why do I have opkg? |
| 12:04.05 | dos1 | because it's only based on openmoko base image |
| 12:04.23 | dos1 | your image is official, trolltech's qtopia |
| 12:04.23 | nyu | "base image" is what I usually call distro |
| 12:04.54 | dos1 | so you are using it wrongly in openmoko context |
| 12:05.00 | nyu | I know |
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| 12:19.54 | swc|666 | anhyone here ever use LXDE? |
| 12:20.02 | swc|666 | anyone* |
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| 12:23.13 | desowin | swc|666: that's the windows-alike desktop? |
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| 12:26.43 | swc|666 | desowin: its a lightweight x11 desktop... pita to customize the menus |
| 12:27.20 | desowin | swc|666: I like rox over lxde anyway |
| 12:27.38 | desowin | (and xfce over both at desktop ;) ) |
| 12:27.56 | swc|666 | yea xfce is good but lxde is cleaner and mor elightweight |
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| 12:29.16 | desowin | swc|666: rox for me then |
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| 12:32.33 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5746a4290c26 10/framework/resource.py: add state transition tracking for Resources |
| 12:32.33 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc5872991be16 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/ogsmd/objects.py): ogsmd: Resource-handling now working with enable/suspend/resume |
| 12:34.27 | Zorkman | I flashed the latest FDOM to my SD card, but i can't ssh in (ifconfig does not show usb0) |
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| 12:35.19 | Zorkman | ifup usb0 gives "no such device" errors |
| 12:36.02 | bumbl | anyone here with latest fdom? |
| 12:36.11 | bumbl | i can't launch duke |
| 12:36.19 | Zorkman | bumbl: i just flashed it |
| 12:36.21 | Zorkman | i'll test it |
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| 12:37.16 | Zorkman | bumbl: nope, screen rotates and changes resolution and the loading icon appears and then it just quits and returns to normal |
| 12:37.24 | bumbl | Zorkman: i have the same problem with usb0 too |
| 12:37.27 | Zorkman | bumbl: can you ssh in ? |
| 12:37.29 | Zorkman | aha |
| 12:37.39 | Zorkman | i'll post a message about it on the ML |
| 12:37.49 | bumbl | Zorkman: at least I am not the only one who has those probelms |
| 12:37.53 | bumbl | problems |
| 12:38.18 | bumbl | brokenmoko |
| 12:38.23 | Gnutoo | hello, i've a big problem...i need the gps and tangogps has a ! on the bottom left of the screen.... |
| 12:38.53 | viq | Gnutoo: ! is "don't download maps automatically" |
| 12:38.56 | bumbl | haha |
| 12:39.04 | Gnutoo | ok thanks a lot |
| 12:40.11 | bumbl | the folks at ferrari weren't able to get the petrol pipe out of the petrol tank |
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| 12:42.06 | happosade | How to type numbers in PIN code? (2008.8) |
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| 12:42.23 | Zorkman | bumbl: you running from SD or from internal flash? |
| 12:42.46 | Zorkman | happosade: slide your finger downwards over the keyboard |
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| 12:43.10 | bumbl | Zorkman: internal flash |
| 12:43.47 | Zorkman | bumbl: latest kernel? |
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| 12:44.34 | bumbl | Zorkman: yes |
| 12:44.46 | bumbl | the one of yesterday |
| 12:45.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * ra0802ef33442 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 12:45.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: otapi: remove PrepareForSuspend and RecoverFromSuspend from org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device |
| 12:45.54 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ousage: document org.freesmartphone.Resource interface |
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| 12:46.58 | yamitenshi | hi, little question: where are the .desktop files you see in the 2008.8 menu located? |
| 12:47.28 | viq | something like /usr/share/applications |
| 12:47.42 | yamitenshi | I'm currently installing wesnoth, and I believe I should edit the .desktop file for it :) |
| 12:47.54 | yamitenshi | mmm... makes sense |
| 12:48.04 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rc2d6d20f1e4a 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): link org.freesmartphone.Resource |
| 12:48.33 | yamitenshi | tried creating one of my own once though, with FSO, so I could suspend whenever I wanted to (didn't work with the power button), but it didn't show =\ |
| 12:48.43 | yamitenshi | anything special you need to do to make it show up? |
| 12:48.58 | Zorkman | yamitenshi: chose your "categories" carefull :) |
| 12:49.13 | bumbl | i wish fso would be mainline and there would be some nice apps for it |
| 12:49.25 | Zorkman | better just to edit an existing file and not touch the categories, just change name, description, and exec (and maybe icon) |
| 12:49.40 | yamitenshi | Zorkman: well, I edited another file, but it still didn't work =\ |
| 12:49.52 | bumbl | 2008.x is just a mess |
| 12:49.58 | yamitenshi | but maybe I accidentally changed something |
| 12:50.18 | yamitenshi | bumbl: true :P |
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| 12:53.29 | Shlee | Waiting for qtopia 4.4 |
| 12:54.36 | Zorkman | bumbl: accelerometers working on you FDOM? |
| 12:54.54 | happosade | Efff. Handsets speaker is that above of screen? |
| 12:54.56 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r56405b144f55 10/src/zhone: catch up with moving Suspend from org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device to org.freesmartphone.Usage |
| 12:54.57 | happosade | Dont work.. |
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| 12:55.21 | dns53 | any idea where 4.4 is going to come out? |
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| 13:01.11 | bumbl | Zorkman: how should i test? |
| 13:01.41 | bipak_ | where do i need to put a shellscript on qtopia for beeing able to start it from the applications menü? |
| 13:02.10 | bipak_ | tried to adding a appname.desktop file to /opt/.../apps/Applications but it doesnt appear in the menu |
| 13:03.33 | bumbl | bipak_: pack it to /usr/share/??? |
| 13:04.02 | bipak_ | there is a /usr/share/applications but its empty |
| 13:04.27 | Zorkman | bumbl: terminal or open remoko and press the train button and swing it around, if it doens't move, it doesn't registerer anything, anyway, not really that important |
| 13:04.28 | bipak_ | i'm not able to find the location of the other programms in the Applications menu.. :( |
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| 13:18.55 | kishore | I installed debian on my fr and now have xfce installed |
| 13:19.13 | kishore | i set up to run x as user but it seems to still execute as root |
| 13:19.36 | kishore | how do i ensure that i am operating as user and not as root |
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| 13:20.20 | kishore | i followed instructions from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian |
| 13:23.37 | kishore | it seems to me that editing /etc/inittab has no effect |
| 13:24.21 | lindi- | kishore: have you edited inittab before? |
| 13:25.24 | kishore | lindi-: before? i have tried editing it in various ways |
| 13:26.27 | aliases123 | lindi-: is this for not as root ? -- i can't get that to work. |
| 13:26.37 | lindi- | i use gdm right now |
| 13:26.43 | lindi- | kishore: ps axuf? |
| 13:26.44 | aliases123 | lindi-: memory much ? |
| 13:26.49 | lindi- | aliases123: quite a lot |
| 13:27.05 | lindi- | aliases123: 5 megabytes |
| 13:27.19 | aliases123 | mmm. not that bad |
| 13:27.28 | lindi- | kishore: aliases123: the tip in the wiki does not do pam initialization |
| 13:27.47 | lindi- | so i have HOME=/ in xterm with that. that's why i currently just use gdm |
| 13:29.03 | kishore | editing inittab commenting out the tty1 line has no effect either! stil logs in! |
| 13:29.30 | kishore | im not sure what effect inittab has and when it is executed in boot |
| 13:29.31 | lindi- | kishore: init q? |
| 13:29.51 | kishore | init q and pkill getty did not do anything |
| 13:29.57 | SpeedEvil | inittab is read by init |
| 13:29.58 | lindi- | kishore: ps axuf? |
| 13:30.00 | SpeedEvil | (clasically) |
| 13:30.24 | SpeedEvil | It calls the programs listed in inittab, and connects them to terminals |
| 13:30.48 | lindi- | no no, init does not know anything about terminals |
| 13:30.55 | SpeedEvil | It has per-runlevel program lists, and lists of what to do to go from one to the other |
| 13:31.08 | SpeedEvil | yes, the programs connect to the terminals |
| 13:31.18 | happosade | how to ssh-connect to moko freerunner? |
| 13:31.18 | SpeedEvil | init just calls them. |
| 13:31.36 | SpeedEvil | happosade: can you ping it? |
| 13:31.46 | kishore | lindi-: thats long list and i do not see getty in there |
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| 13:31.58 | lindi- | kishore: complete list would be nice |
| 13:32.10 | happosade | what sound be that where to ping/connect |
| 13:32.19 | happosade | ssh/ping ??? |
| 13:32.30 | SpeedEvil | happosade: ping <ip address of phone> |
| 13:32.49 | happosade | where i see that? |
| 13:33.25 | kishore | lindi-: http://pastebin.com/d73392bc6 |
| 13:33.26 | SpeedEvil | happosade: |
| 13:33.29 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networkinghttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 13:34.01 | lindi- | kishore: X seems to be running just fine |
| 13:34.06 | lindi- | kishore: what's in inittab? |
| 13:34.23 | kishore | lindi- yes x is fine |
| 13:34.41 | raster | puts on his initpants |
| 13:35.45 | kishore | lindi-: http://pastebin.com/d6c8b0214 |
| 13:36.18 | lindi- | kishore: yeah, you need to kill the X processes before init will start a getty |
| 13:36.28 | kishore | i havef tried commenting out either of the 1: and both too to no effect |
| 13:36.45 | lindi- | kishore: it respawns the process only when it has died |
| 13:36.45 | kishore | i have even tried to reboot |
| 13:36.59 | kishore | ok let me try again now |
| 13:37.00 | lindi- | kishore: ah, what starts the X then? |
| 13:37.44 | kishore | lindi- i dont know! when i had both commected out, i got zhone in a full window! |
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| 13:38.18 | lindi- | kishore: figure it out: cat /proc/2702/environ | tr '\0' '\n' should give a hint |
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| 13:58.24 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r892b8f9c6745 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: |
| 13:58.24 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ousaged: Call start() method on the tasklet |
| 13:58.24 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Before that the nameownerchanged signals were lost |
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| 14:20.53 | kishore | lindi-: i had to do "update-rc.d -f xfce remove" |
| 14:21.11 | kishore | when the guide says defaults instead |
| 14:21.20 | kishore | lindi-: thanks for the help |
| 14:21.30 | kishore | i now have it working |
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| 14:33.28 | lindi- | kishore: good |
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| 14:35.30 | kishore | xfce does not shw the battery status.. anyway to get it? |
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| 14:36.45 | lindi- | kishore: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/bat org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.GetEnergyPercentage |
| 14:41.24 | kishore | thanks |
| 14:41.36 | kishore | and how does one close a window in xfce with matchbox. especially for a terminal that does not have a menu bar? |
| 14:41.55 | kishore | sorry for my newbie questions, i am kde user on the desktop |
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| 14:43.16 | hama_ | kishore: ctrl-c ? |
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| 14:45.10 | kishore | and without a keyboard? no cross botton like stuff? |
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| 14:54.14 | spydon | Does anyone have the URI to that snake game? |
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| 14:57.13 | aliases123 | no. does it work ? |
| 14:59.23 | spydon | aliases123, are you talking to me? :P |
| 15:00.04 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r93c652848e6f 10/framework/patterns/tasklet.py: tasklet: add debug helper for unstarted tasklets |
| 15:03.38 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r77b887da0d72 10/framework/subsystems/ (ogsmd/modems/abstract/pdp.py ousaged/generic.py): |
| 15:03.38 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: fix GPRS connections with given user. Closes FSO #140 |
| 15:03.38 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Patch by lindi, thanks a lot! |
| 15:06.30 | kishore | is it possible to have the dialer and pim apps from FSDOM in my debian install? |
| 15:07.53 | sicu | spydon: used to be: http://tehinterweb.com/snake ... but not any more for some reason or other ? :/ |
| 15:08.33 | spydon | sicu, ewird |
| 15:09.05 | spydon | weird* :P |
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| 15:10.30 | Shlee | Trac is broken |
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| 15:15.23 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * ra355a0f8c637 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (gpsdevice.py om.py ubx.py): |
| 15:15.23 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Switch ogpsd to the new resource handling in ousaged |
| 15:15.23 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: (fixes #158) |
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| 15:20.44 | kishore | with the debian install how can i emulate a right click? |
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| 15:24.17 | aliases123 | spydon: yep |
| 15:25.05 | spydon | aliases123, yeah it works, but its beta and a lot of improvements are comming up according to the author |
| 15:25.14 | aliases123 | ok. |
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| 15:26.10 | spydon | aliases123, ftp://spydon.is-a-geek.net/OpenForAll/snake |
| 15:26.50 | dos1 | spydon: what is this? |
| 15:27.22 | spydon | dos1, its a snake that you play with the accelerometers |
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| 15:27.56 | dos1 | oh, i will test it ;] |
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| 15:31.39 | spydon | I think ieatlint programmed it... |
| 15:32.03 | sicu | correct |
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| 15:49.16 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r4d7420ee301b 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: ousaged: check if the resource exists |
| 15:49.17 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rbde190a7b776 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: ousaged: use the Resource object via an interface |
| 15:49.41 | transylvania | hmm debian install broken |
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| 15:56.28 | lindi- | transylvania: how? |
| 15:57.14 | transylvania | lindi-: fso-frameworkd: Depends: gstreamer0.10-plugins-good but it is not going to be installed & gstreamer0.10-plugins-good: Depends: libcaca0 (>= 0.99.beta13b-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:57.16 | transylvania | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:57.36 | lindi- | transylvania: the libcucul0 issue is known |
| 15:57.48 | lindi- | transylvania: i can't build it since ruby hasn't been built on armel :P |
| 15:57.49 | transylvania | gstreamer0.10-plugins-good broken because of libcucul0/libcaca0 update in sid |
| 15:58.04 | transylvania | not a problem, I'll wait |
| 15:58.22 | transylvania | and play with om2008.9 for the momenbt |
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| 16:01.57 | hama_ | does suspend works in debian? |
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| 16:12.45 | lindi- | hama_: it's kernel issue |
| 16:13.01 | lindi- | hama_: so why wouldn't it work? debian hasn't changed kernel |
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| 16:20.48 | jadams | has anyone gotten fdom running on the gta01? I'm assuming it's not supported. |
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| 16:33.00 | baba_melone | Hi. Could anybody please send me a libsdl opkg with sdl version 1.2.12 or later |
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| 16:33.26 | lindi- | baba_melone: can't you build it? |
| 16:33.33 | baba_melone | I need it to play battle for wesnoth, but I cant open the forum web site where I found it, it is currently unavailable |
| 16:33.41 | baba_melone | no i dont have openembedded |
| 16:33.48 | baba_melone | not yet |
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| 16:35.43 | lindi- | just get it :) |
| 16:37.43 | baba_melone | how big is it actually? |
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| 16:37.54 | lindi- | you have problems with HDD space? |
| 16:38.36 | baba_melone | yeah |
| 16:38.52 | baba_melone | and I dont want to install it to my home dir |
| 16:39.00 | lindi- | hdd space is like cheap |
| 16:39.20 | baba_melone | yeah, and yet I dont have enough |
| 16:39.22 | lindi- | 1 EUR gets around 2 gigabytes nowadays? |
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| 16:39.31 | baba_melone | might be |
| 16:39.38 | baba_melone | but ive got a notebook |
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| 16:39.49 | lindi- | get a shell account somewhere remotely |
| 16:39.55 | lindi- | i wouldn't build anything on a notebook |
| 16:40.01 | baba_melone | I would |
| 16:40.10 | lindi- | the build results would be offline when i need them :P |
| 16:40.39 | lindi- | i have spare 40G laptop HDD btw |
| 16:41.01 | lindi- | it's spare since i can't have both solid state disk and the original hdd installed at the same time |
| 16:41.27 | kishore | when using the matchbox wm how does one exit an application that does show a menu bar? |
| 16:41.35 | lindi- | kishore: kill |
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| 16:41.54 | kishore | oh! |
| 16:42.32 | kishore | lindi-: i recollet the ubuntu netwook remix having a button on the panel that would exit the currently active applciation |
| 16:43.22 | kishore | is that a panel applet that's available for xfce? |
| 16:43.29 | lindi- | kishore: no idea |
| 16:43.42 | lindi- | kishore: do you have url to the source? |
| 16:44.02 | kishore | no but im looking for it now |
| 16:46.14 | sicu | good thing hdd space is cheap ... just realised a few days ago that my render-pc was running out so had to go out and buy two new 1TB hdd |
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| 16:51.00 | kishore | lindi-: they seem to have an alternate taskbar. see http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/151 |
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| 16:58.08 | kishore | how does one right click with the debian install? i want to configure the xfce panel |
| 16:58.18 | kishore | is it currently possible? |
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| 17:02.49 | sicu | kishore: ML: Right mouse button tslib patch |
| 17:03.43 | sicu | kishore: http://n2.nabble.com/Right-mouse-button-tslib-patch-tp727878p727878.html |
| 17:03.51 | kishore | sicu: thanks. i did read about that. What i need to do to use it? is there a package? |
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| 17:15.54 | xzcvczx | if you setenv bootarg_base then execute boot on the phone should it be using the bootarg you have set for that boot? |
| 17:18.12 | sicu | kishore: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/smartphones-userland/2008-September/000115.html |
| 17:18.15 | xzcvczx | ah nvm it does |
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| 17:23.35 | pwerken | m |
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| 17:31.39 | xzcvczx | has anyone built a u-boot with CONFIG_SILENT_CONSOLE enabled? |
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| 17:57.28 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r44e8179a3dc2 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/helpers.py: ogpsd: Add file I missed in a355a0f8c6374ded40fe5446cadfb0646c3a3172 |
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| 18:14.07 | Frostshock | when will openmoko be ready for the public? |
| 18:14.22 | dos1 | tomorrow |
| 18:14.23 | dos1 | :P |
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| 18:15.05 | Frostshock | before the end of 2008? |
| 18:15.28 | dos1 | i think no |
| 18:15.43 | dos1 | imho asu will never be ready for the public |
| 18:16.02 | dos1 | maybe something like shr or new tichy stack |
| 18:16.51 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r76c6f834a37f 10/framework/resource.py: supply dbus error in dbus-error callback for resource handling |
| 18:17.11 | Frostshock | are there to few people invloved in the project or is the hardware crap? |
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| 18:18.23 | dos1 | hardware is good |
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| 18:20.19 | lindi- | Frostshock: too many people just download images and don't report/fix bugs |
| 18:20.58 | Frostshock | ok.. how many people are involved in programming? |
| 18:22.10 | swc|666 | 6.2 |
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| 18:22.44 | Frostshock | 6 adults and 2 minors? :) |
| 18:22.50 | swc|666 | yep. |
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| 18:23.21 | lindi- | swc|666: were you the one that was able to reproduce fso #151? |
| 18:23.52 | swc|666 | lindi-: refrsh my memory |
| 18:24.44 | lymeac | I'm trying to buy a Freerunner right now, an 850 band one. |
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| 18:24.58 | lindi- | swc|666: the distorted voice |
| 18:25.06 | swc|666 | ah yes |
| 18:25.41 | lindi- | swc|666: can you report what operator and gsm firmware version you are using there? we need to figure out why this only affects some users |
| 18:25.57 | lymeac | IThe GP2X store won't process my order though |
| 18:26.08 | lymeac | I want it shipped to Massachusetts in one to two days |
| 18:26.42 | lymeac | What's the best store? I'd also like to avoid tax. The bank account is in California, so avoiding a california store would be optimal. |
| 18:26.47 | swc|666 | lindi-: if you are referring to me that i'm the one that filed it, no... but i'm the one that helped u the other day |
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| 18:27.14 | lindi- | swc|666: i'd help to get feedback from as many people as possible |
| 18:27.28 | lindi- | swc|666: so that we can figure out if it is caused by the operator or not |
| 18:27.33 | swc|666 | ah |
| 18:27.41 | swc|666 | so what do u need me todo |
| 18:27.59 | swc|666 | operator + firmware v? |
| 18:28.12 | lindi- | yep |
| 18:28.15 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r4ac26c3c830e 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: ousaged: Call correct method to register a resource |
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| 18:30.37 | swc|666 | lindi-: how does one print the modem firmware |
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| 18:31.17 | mickey|tw | call org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetInfo() on /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device |
| 18:31.35 | swc|666 | kk |
| 18:31.57 | swc|666 | so i have to write python to do that? o0 |
| 18:34.44 | lindi- | swc|666: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetInfo |
| 18:35.03 | lindi- | but you might not want to publish your imei |
| 18:35.16 | swc|666 | definitely not |
| 18:36.30 | swc|666 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.31 | swc|666 | , signature=dbus.Signature('sv')) |
| 18:36.43 | swc|666 | at&t operator |
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| 18:41.13 | lindi- | swc|666: can you add that to the bug report? i just added mine: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/151#comment:5 |
| 18:41.33 | swc|666 | k |
| 18:42.56 | swc|666 | done |
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| 18:49.33 | lindi- | sicu: can you too add your details to http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/151? |
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| 18:50.01 | lindi- | TAsn: and you? ;) |
| 18:51.34 | sicu | lindi-: i will check the quality of voice and audio at work tomorrow, and add my details if i have distortion |
| 18:52.25 | sicu | i have access to 8 different sims, so will check them all |
| 18:52.45 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r97372081a4f9 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: ousaged: Get rid of the asserts and raise DBusExceptions instead |
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| 18:53.40 | lindi- | sicu: good |
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| 18:57.53 | yabo | if i wanted to compile programs for my freerunner |
| 18:58.00 | yabo | i would use an arm-compiler? |
| 18:58.57 | lindi- | yabo: gcc |
| 18:59.50 | yabo | where would i get a gcc-package that compiled stuff that would work for the freerunner? |
| 19:00.06 | yabo | because you need one that compiles for the right processor-architecture, right? |
| 19:00.25 | lindi- | yabo: either cross-compile or run gcc inside qemu |
| 19:02.16 | yabo | usj hard.. |
| 19:03.24 | lindi- | yabo: not at all |
| 19:03.51 | TAsn | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/bat org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply?.GetEnergyPercentage? |
| 19:03.52 | TAsn | returns |
| 19:03.52 | TAsn | HW: GTA02BV5, GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko8 |
| 19:04.05 | TAsn | lindi-, that's what you want me to do ? (copy pasted from trac) |
| 19:04.16 | TAsn | doing that i only get the percentage ;] |
| 19:04.27 | lindi- | wrong line |
| 19:04.31 | yabo | so if i downloaded the source for a linux program, gcc cross-compiled it and put it on my freerunner, the program would work if the dependencies were on the freerunner? |
| 19:04.45 | lindi- | TAsn: but yes that firmware version is what is needed :) |
| 19:04.54 | lindi- | yabo: yep |
| 19:05.02 | yabo | awesome |
| 19:05.03 | TAsn | lindi-, where do i get that from? |
| 19:05.09 | TAsn | (firmware) |
| 19:05.17 | TAsn | *firmware version |
| 19:05.20 | yabo | is there a tutorial or something for cross-compiling for the freerunner somewhere? |
| 19:05.24 | lindi- | TAsn: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetInfo |
| 19:05.34 | lindi- | yabo: what distro do you have on the FR? |
| 19:05.47 | yabo | qtopia atm |
| 19:06.09 | lindi- | yabo: ah, i haven't managed to compile qtopia from source yet |
| 19:06.37 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r06bc4adab61e 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: ogpsd.om: Reorder shutdown sequence and force GPS power off at start |
| 19:06.42 | TAsn | lindi-, done |
| 19:06.48 | yabo | i dont understand |
| 19:06.48 | TAsn | thanks for you efforts. |
| 19:07.02 | lindi- | yabo: exactly that |
| 19:07.21 | yabo | you havent managed to compile the qtopia-distro? |
| 19:08.16 | lindi- | yabo: yes |
| 19:08.26 | yabo | i just want to compile other stuff |
| 19:08.34 | yabo | applications i might use and the likes |
| 19:08.41 | lindi- | yabo: i won't install anything i can't compile, sorry :) |
| 19:08.42 | yabo | so i could use them on my freerunner |
| 19:10.13 | yabo | anyway, cross-compilation guide or something? |
| 19:10.20 | yabo | do you know any? |
| 19:10.35 | lindi- | the mokomakefile instructions |
| 19:10.54 | hama_ | gcc-dokus |
| 19:11.02 | hama_ | docu |
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| 19:13.11 | yabo | scratches his head |
| 19:13.44 | yabo | wait. |
| 19:13.53 | yabo | make |
| 19:13.56 | yabo | make install |
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| 19:13.57 | yabo | and stuff like that |
| 19:14.00 | yabo | what does that do? |
| 19:14.42 | hama_ | yabo: man make |
| 19:15.37 | lindi- | yabo: hmm? |
| 19:15.48 | yabo | are they builtin with the stuff you download |
| 19:15.58 | lindi- | yabo: in a typical distro? |
| 19:16.00 | yabo | or is that gcc or something compiling? |
| 19:16.12 | lindi- | yabo: gcc is the compiler you usually want to use |
| 19:16.24 | lindi- | yabo: make is for figuring out what file needs to be compiled and how |
| 19:16.31 | hama_ | yabo: open a console and type 'man make' |
| 19:17.28 | yabo | alright |
| 19:17.48 | yabo | so |
| 19:17.53 | yabo | if i downloaded a source |
| 19:18.05 | yabo | for anything |
| 19:18.10 | yabo | lets say all the dependencies are in order |
| 19:18.17 | yabo | what would i do to make it run on my fr? |
| 19:19.30 | yabo | i cant just download the source |
| 19:19.34 | yabo | ./configure |
| 19:19.35 | yabo | make' |
| 19:19.36 | yabo | make install |
| 19:19.42 | yabo | and then it would work |
| 19:19.47 | yabo | or? |
| 19:20.10 | lindi- | yabo: if you run that make on x86 then you'll get x86 binaries that won't run on arm |
| 19:20.28 | lindi- | yabo: if you run it inside arm qemu environment then it'll just work: http://newpeople.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/armel/ |
| 19:20.46 | hama_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_developer_guide |
| 19:20.48 | yabo | yeah thats what i mean |
| 19:20.56 | yabo | if i did what i said on the phone |
| 19:21.05 | lindi- | yabo: then it'll just work |
| 19:21.09 | lindi- | yabo: if qtopia has gcc |
| 19:21.22 | yabo | awesome! |
| 19:21.23 | yabo | thanks :D |
| 19:21.44 | hama_ | well, its not that easy... |
| 19:21.50 | lindi- | in debian it is :) |
| 19:22.07 | yabo | why not, hama_? |
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| 19:22.26 | hama_ | first the deps.. |
| 19:22.44 | hama_ | well, try it... |
| 19:23.21 | lindi- | is running sudo qemubuilder --build libcaca_0.99.beta15-1.dsc right now to build a debian package for arm |
| 19:23.54 | hama_ | lindi-: try 'gambas' :) |
| 19:24.47 | lindi- | hama_: i can apt-get install gambas2 but the description does not look too nice :) |
| 19:25.22 | hama_ | gambas2 is a very nice rad-tool... real nice... |
| 19:25.47 | hama_ | me use c/c++ at work, but me love gambas... |
| 19:26.47 | hama_ | but i was joking get it on arm... |
| 19:27.23 | swc|666 | apt-get install sleep |
| 19:27.58 | hama_ | tuxcard steering with accelrators could be nice :) |
| 19:29.04 | hama_ | grr, tuxcard... rofl... tuxkart me mean.. its too late for me... |
| 19:31.09 | yabo | so' |
| 19:31.21 | yabo | no wait i can check myself |
| 19:34.06 | yabo | so |
| 19:34.16 | yabo | a guy told me that if i want to compile on my phone |
| 19:34.21 | yabo | i need to hack the makefile |
| 19:34.22 | yabo | ??? |
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| 19:35.24 | lindi- | yabo: nope |
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| 19:38.09 | yabo | qtopia doesnt have gcc.. |
| 19:38.37 | lindi- | can't help much :/ |
| 19:39.05 | yabo | i want to install debian on my sdcard |
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| 19:41.23 | yabo | soo |
| 19:42.13 | yabo | to install debian i just download install.sh to the phone, and while connected to the internet i type ./install.sh all |
| 19:42.15 | yabo | wait |
| 19:42.17 | yabo | and im done? |
| 19:42.35 | yabo | oh |
| 19:42.41 | lindi- | yabo: have you used debian before? |
| 19:42.45 | yabo | i need to make a fat-boot partition |
| 19:42.47 | yabo | yeah |
| 19:42.52 | yabo | not on the freerunner though |
| 19:42.57 | yabo | on x86 |
| 19:43.09 | lindi- | you don't need to make separate boot partition |
| 19:43.23 | yabo | SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all |
| 19:43.29 | yabo | instead of ./install.sh all |
| 19:43.29 | yabo | ? |
| 19:44.19 | aggtrfrad | just read the install.sh file and change it according to your needs |
| 19:44.45 | aggtrfrad | and then make a u-boot entry that points to the kernel image |
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| 19:50.10 | TAsn | wow i got many magic bitmap not found errors in recent fso image boot. |
| 19:50.32 | TAsn | i just hope it's a first boot issue. |
| 19:51.37 | aggtrfrad | how can i restart level at numpty physics? |
| 19:52.55 | TAsn | aggtrfrad, no idea ;] |
| 19:53.14 | TAsn | i also stumbled when it got to controlling numpty |
| 19:53.41 | leinir | The r key, or arrow up... if you can pull up the keyboard :) |
| 19:54.03 | TAsn | leinir, that's the issue. |
| 19:54.22 | aggtrfrad | o ty |
| 19:54.55 | aggtrfrad | i use fdom so it worked |
| 19:57.30 | TAsn | what's the latest build that works? |
| 19:57.39 | TAsn | todays doesn't. |
| 19:59.09 | TAsn | 24's image |
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| 20:02.31 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r78d9f3c76eb7 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py): ousaged: drop unneeded boolean result for RequestResource |
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| 20:24.37 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r66a8d95254ed 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py): |
| 20:24.37 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Implement org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Device.{Start,Stop} methods |
| 20:24.37 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: The Start and Stop methods now keep track of which dbus user started the |
| 20:24.38 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: device and listens to the nameownerchanged signal, releasing the |
| 20:24.39 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: resource if the last user is gone. |
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| 20:56.10 | TAsn | what does red aux led on mean in qtopia? |
| 20:56.30 | Gnutoo | TAsn, mabe charging... |
| 20:56.41 | TAsn | and if it's not plugged? ;] |
| 20:56.48 | Gnutoo | TAsn, don't know |
| 20:59.36 | lindi- | TAsn: read the source? ;) |
| 20:59.43 | TAsn | lindi-, ;] |
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| 21:16.35 | adsllc | Anybody have any solutions for the missing usb0 on FDOM 20080927? |
| 21:17.50 | aggtrfrad | its not missing for me :/ |
| 21:18.23 | aggtrfrad | do u use the latest OM uImage? |
| 21:18.36 | adsllc | aggtrfrad: As of an hour ago. |
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| 21:18.51 | adsllc | aggtrfrad: Does lsmod give you anything? |
| 21:19.16 | adsllc | I'm seeing the same thing as http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-September/031819.html - problem number 1. |
| 21:19.28 | aggtrfrad | nothing, but sound and everything work |
| 21:20.06 | aggtrfrad | only the bluetooth module is not loaded |
| 21:20.24 | aggtrfrad | im using the Om2008.9 kernel |
| 21:20.30 | aggtrfrad | not he latest unstable |
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| 21:21.10 | adsllc | Ah - great thinking - that's probably it. |
| 21:21.26 | adsllc | I had updated my kernel but now essentially downgraded my modules. |
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| 21:25.42 | adsllc | aggtrfrad: Assuming this fixes it (and I think it will) - would you care to be famous and reply to the community list, or shall I? |
| 21:26.53 | adsllc | aggtrfrad: yup, that did it, thanks! |
| 21:26.59 | lesouvage | Both your names are to hard to remember to become famous ;-) |
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| 21:28.16 | aggtrfrad | HAHAHAH |
| 21:28.45 | aggtrfrad | im out for work, bb |
| 21:29.45 | adsllc | lesouvage: That's what they said to 129.42.18.103, but then it became ibm.com - there's still hope for me! |
| 21:35.05 | lesouvage | adsllc: I think you mix up some time frames International Business Machines is around for a long long time, far before even the first thoughts about ARPA net were still in an uknown future. |
| 21:36.30 | lesouvage | But I guess I understand your point: keep hoping, there are fixes imagenable that makes you famous overnight, dispite of your name. |
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| 21:41.04 | Mononoke | is it safe to add angstorm repo on 2008.9 ? |
| 21:51.46 | slaxxin | so how hard would it be for software to shutdown the device when battery gets low but not empty? |
| 21:52.08 | slaxxin | plus leave a warning message |
| 21:52.38 | lindi- | slaxxin: very easy |
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| 22:11.57 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r4c1fb8ed0380 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
| 22:11.57 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd.sms: Added support for advanced message features |
| 22:11.57 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This adds a parameter a{sv} to the DBus methods RetrieveMessage{,book} |
| 22:11.57 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: and StoreMessage. |
| 22:11.58 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: AbstractSMS now has a property featureMap that exposes the intersting |
| 22:12.00 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: fields for the user. |
| 22:16.28 | TAsn | does anyone know how to add utf8 support to qtopia? |
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| 22:20.17 | ljp | qtopia is already using unicode |
| 22:22.18 | TAsn | ljp, so where can i add new fonts from? cause if it's not encoding issue it's probably font |
| 22:22.26 | TAsn | *how can i add. |
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| 23:10.06 | johngay | http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-16-2008/0004885891&EDATE= |
| 23:10.16 | johngay | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.16 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07zhone * r3c1077bbe49b 10/ (ChangeLog src/zhone): Support the new SMS API. Display timestamp if it exists |
| 23:10.16 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07zhone * r54e535fc62a0 10/src/zhone: Whitespace fixes. Please don't uses tabs. |
| 23:11.14 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r6b9d4ef88369 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd.sms: Return timezone as string for now |
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| 23:35.10 | jadams | rwhitby, what are you running on your gta01 now? |
| 23:37.11 | raster | pants-os |
| 23:39.25 | johngay | Hey raster. |
| 23:39.52 | jadams | hey raster |
| 23:39.57 | jadams | what's shaking? |
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| 23:43.29 | raster | johngay: boo |
| 23:43.45 | raster | jadams: fixng up my own illume image for FR |
| 23:43.53 | raster | nice and minimal |
| 23:44.02 | raster | definitely not complete... but at least e/illume look nice |
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| 23:44.35 | jadams | raster, great. What are the odds that it'll work or be somehow workable on the gta01? I just bought a T-Mobile G1 so it looks like gta03 will be my next openmoko device |
| 23:44.43 | jadams | can't handle <EDGE |
| 23:44.52 | raster | jadams: hmmm good q |
| 23:45.08 | jadams | raster, FSO3, etc. work fine on the gta01 fwiw |
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| 23:45.13 | raster | gta01... well it fits |
| 23:45.15 | raster | its only 4m |
| 23:45.17 | raster | err |
| 23:45.18 | raster | 40m |
| 23:45.21 | raster | right now |
| 23:45.25 | raster | but it has zero phone stuff |
| 23:45.33 | raster | its basically a pda minus any apps |
| 23:45.38 | raster | i need to trim it down more |
| 23:45.44 | jadams | I love fso |
| 23:46.01 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.03 | slaxxin | well ....stopit |
| 23:46.05 | raster | actually 36m |
| 23:46.12 | jadams | awesome |
| 23:46.28 | raster | but i removed all the fso bits for now as frameworkd is really causing slowdowns |
| 23:46.35 | jadams | ahh |
| 23:46.41 | raster | it is quite fast |
| 23:46.49 | raster | e starts in about 5 seconds |
| 23:46.52 | slaxxin | yay |
| 23:46.53 | Kensan | It seems that GTA01 flash IO is better than FR. |
| 23:47.02 | raster | let me time it |
| 23:47.03 | raster | ... |
| 23:47.45 | slaxxin | everybody leave raster alone sos he can finish the os so we can have it:) |
| 23:48.05 | raster | boot isnt that fast - i need to dig in and find out why |
| 23:48.27 | raster | Kensan: not surprising. fkash is really slow on fr |
| 23:48.30 | Kensan | raster: Are you looking into FR boot time? |
| 23:48.41 | slaxxin | how fast is that fast 14.5 seconds? |
| 23:48.50 | raster | Kensan: i'd like to |
| 23:48.53 | raster | but io have so much to do |
| 23:49.00 | Kensan | raster: I fiddled around with FR bootchart and tried some stuff but IO seems to be the limiting factor :( |
| 23:49.11 | raster | btw |
| 23:49.22 | raster | dont use ASU (2008.08/09) as a base for boto speed stuff |
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| 23:49.29 | raster | especially after it starts x |
| 23:49.36 | raster | its a death zone there... |
| 23:49.44 | Kensan | raster: I was using FSO MS3. |
| 23:50.18 | Kensan | raster: May I ask why is it a death zone? |
| 23:50.34 | slaxxin | sloooo |
| 23:50.50 | raster | ok |
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| 23:51.09 | raster | from x start to e's init splash is 7 secons |
| 23:51.21 | raster | wait no |
| 23:51.27 | slaxxin | oo thats too sloo lolololololo |
| 23:51.31 | raster | 10 secon x -> e init splash up |
| 23:51.35 | Kensan | raster: I recently flashed a daily build of 2008.9 (or whatever it's called) on my GTA01 and it felt way faster than on the FR. |
| 23:51.39 | raster | 7 secon for init splash to fully working desktop |
| 23:51.56 | slaxxin | whammin jammin |
| 23:52.12 | raster | Kensan: ooh fso |
| 23:52.13 | raster | dont know |
| 23:52.14 | johngay | What do you think of the G1? |
| 23:52.16 | raster | but it runs qpe |
| 23:52.19 | slaxxin | is it based on debian or what? |
| 23:52.26 | raster | whihc in teurn chews cpu and runs tonnes of things |
| 23:52.37 | raster | also python exposure (appl-launcher) back end started |
| 23:52.48 | raster | in fact so many thnigs competing for cpu at the same time it slows it all down |
| 23:52.56 | raster | and yes |
| 23:52.59 | raster | IO is limiting |
| 23:53.00 | raster | very |
| 23:53.06 | Kensan | raster: it does take a long time (40 seconds) from X to "responsive" Zhone in FSO. |
| 23:53.24 | raster | the initial start of exquisite (gfx bootloader) is about 6 seconds just due to IO in searching for dynamic libs |
| 23:53.34 | raster | of course4 it'd be faster if it linked to fewer libs |
| 23:53.43 | raster | but its sharing the same libs that the rest of e/efl use |
| 23:53.48 | raster | thus shares the same runtime linkage |
| 23:53.56 | raster | (ie linkign to all the x libs even tho it runs in fb) |
| 23:54.15 | raster | Kensan: for me its about 17 seconds |
| 23:54.20 | raster | on my illume image |
| 23:54.32 | Kensan | raster: would you know why uboot takes ~7 seconds to get the kernel going? Is that to be expected? |
| 23:54.37 | raster | the first 10 second blank is e starting and launching its own init pslash |
| 23:54.37 | Kensan | raster: sounds much better. |
| 23:54.47 | raster | e has its own "boot profiling" built in |
| 23:54.52 | raster | its always spewing out debug info for it |
| 23:55.04 | raster | i do keep track of where e's cycles go on start up |
| 23:55.10 | raster | thouigh as u said - its almost entirely IO limited |
| 23:55.22 | raster | there is very little i can do about that except somehow reduce IO |
| 23:55.41 | raster | and that really only will happen by removign features or reducing theme complexity/prettyness |
| 23:55.42 | Kensan | raster: interesting. I focused a bit more on "init" since kernel bootup seems fairly ok compared to init and X+apps startup time... |
| 23:55.51 | raster | or not following standards (eg FDO XDG .desktop etc.) |
| 23:56.27 | raster | actually kernel is pretty damn slow just to launch init |
| 23:56.36 | raster | i think its in the area of about 10 seconds just there |
| 23:57.01 | raster | (on a desktop lilo/grub -> init can be gotten down to 0.2 sec or so) |
| 23:57.03 | Kensan | raster: seems like all apps should somehow implement some clever caching... |
| 23:57.22 | raster | boot time before init runs the rc5.d/* scritps is slow too |
| 23:57.35 | Kensan | raster: true, but uboot+kernel take 17 seconds while the rest goes on for another 2:10 minutes... |
| 23:57.39 | raster | about 10 seconds |
| 23:58.07 | raster | about 20 sec then in the initscripts (starting dbus, etc. ie the rc5.d entires) |
| 23:58.17 | slaxxin | thats alot of improvment |
| 23:58.37 | raster | hmm |
| 23:58.38 | raster | true |
| 23:58.47 | raster | tho on my image x+e is not so much |
| 23:58.48 | raster | as i said |
| 23:58.50 | raster | 17 seconds |
| 23:59.00 | raster | for all of e (as it is pretty much the entire desktop) |
| 23:59.17 | Kensan | raster: yes then the ratio is different. I only experimented with FSO MS3. |
| 23:59.23 | raster | sure |
| 23:59.29 | raster | python stuff is pretyt hefty tostart |
| 23:59.31 | raster | i think |
| 23:59.47 | Kensan | raster: indeed. |
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