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| 00:01.03 | bamccaig | lulz, I have a Web browser a terminal, but can only input alpha characters... I gotta find an alternate input mechanism... |
| 00:01.08 | bamccaig | Anybody have a preference? |
| 00:01.31 | bamccaig | s/browser a terminal/browser and terminal emulator/ |
| 00:01.53 | danwink | i just installed om2008.9 on the freerunner i got today, where is the terminal? |
| 00:02.04 | bamccaig | You have to install it. |
| 00:02.44 | bamccaig | You'll need a connection to the Internet. The you can go to the Installer at the bottom of the first screen and find it in the Development category. |
| 00:03.06 | danwink | damn. im having trouble connecting it to the internet. when i tried to use wifi on my home network, i couldnt enter in the wep key because it was only letters no numbers |
| 00:03.26 | danwink | and the usb connection âis tricky. |
| 00:05.54 | uhsf | i just experienced something weird. when switching desktop in xmonad, all windows from the previous desktop are transfered into my second monitor. is this a 'feature' ? |
| 00:06.06 | uhsf | sorry wrong channel |
| 00:08.15 | bamccaig | danwink: There are two problems I've encountered with the USB networking. Adding DNS servers to /etc/resolv.conf and configuring iptables to forward Neo traffic to the Internet. |
| 00:08.19 | bamccaig | Where are you with that? |
| 00:08.43 | bamccaig | (Maybe problems wasn't the right word... Steps? :P) |
| 00:09.41 | rwhitby | morning |
| 00:10.15 | bamccaig | Linux says it's 8PM, but I feel so tiiiired... |
| 00:10.53 | daverix_ | i can't input anything in xterm why? |
| 00:11.38 | bamccaig | We need manuals for everything so RTFM applies... Or we can attempt to make RTFW popular. |
| 00:11.44 | bamccaig | is kidding. |
| 00:13.06 | danwink | well when i was running the stock firmware i could ssh into the phone and ping back and forth and stuff, but now that i installed the new firmware im having trouble with usb connection at all. let me try a few things again, brb |
| 00:13.39 | bamccaig | Sounds over my head, sorry. |
| 00:14.33 | bamccaig | I installed the openmoko-terminal or whatever instead of xterm... It allowed input, but was limited to alpha characters. I'm attempting to find a better input mechanism ATM. |
| 00:15.13 | bamccaig | lied. He's eating apple crisp *then* looking for a better input mechanism. |
| 00:16.01 | danwink | grrr.... im connection via usb but since i installed 2008.9 its giving me warning messages WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! |
| 00:16.01 | danwink | Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)! |
| 00:16.01 | danwink | It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed. |
| 00:16.33 | danwink | now i need to reassure the computer. its gone all paranoid on me. |
| 00:16.52 | bamccaig | I just deleted that entry from ~./.ssh/known_hosts |
| 00:17.53 | danwink | heh im a linux newbie; what command should i use from command line to change that file |
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| 00:19.10 | bamccaig | I use `vi', but it requires a little knowledge to use it. You might be better off using `pico' until you learn how to use vi. Or if you want I could give you the basics... |
| 00:19.52 | bamccaig | I don't remember which one of `pico' and `joe' displays it's commands at the bottom, but that has been in my experience the easiest to use for a newbie (because the commands are there for reference). Other editors generally expect you to know at least how to ask for help. |
| 00:20.22 | bamccaig | I think pico is the one you're after. So something like `pico ~/.ssh/known_hosts'. |
| 00:20.30 | bamccaig | If it's installed. :P |
| 00:21.37 | danwink | thanks |
| 00:21.41 | danwink | pico wroks |
| 00:21.51 | danwink | im inside it now |
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| 00:22.24 | danwink | yeah earlier i used vi, it was tricky |
| 00:22.44 | bamccaig | It's a very powerful editor, but it's not n00b friendly, that's for sure. :P |
| 00:23.08 | bamccaig | I'd like to take the time to learn all the vi commands. A short tutorial was enough to show me just how powerful it is. |
| 00:23.27 | danwink | ill have to look into it then.:) |
| 00:23.51 | danwink | alright now im onto getting it to talk to the outside world |
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| 00:24.55 | bamccaig | The instructions on the Wiki didn't work for me at that... I opened a thread on a discussion board and another member found a cached Wiki page (that had been deleted) with instructions that did work for me. Let me know how it goes and I'll post the link. |
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| 00:26.35 | danwink | right now im copying this into etc/network/interfaces in ubuntu |
| 00:26.37 | danwink | auto usb0 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 & up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward & up iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT & down iptables -D POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 & |
| 00:28.13 | danwink | and now i cant ssh anymore :( |
| 00:32.02 | danwink | also in 2008.9 how to you stop running programs? i started locations and sudoku and i dont know how to stop them |
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| 00:33.01 | danwink | i tried the other version on the wiki page and still cant get it to see the internet. will you send me that link? |
| 00:35.33 | bamccaig | You stop running programs by switching to it (click the top of the screen like before) and picking the program, then clicking the top again and click "Remove" in the bottom left of that top secton. |
| 00:35.40 | bamccaig | s/secton/section/ |
| 00:36.34 | danwink | thanks |
| 00:36.42 | danwink | ok well i g2g, bb in 45 mins |
| 00:36.44 | bamccaig | At least it removes it from that list... I *assume* it also kills it. ;) |
| 00:48.05 | Dave | damn cross compilation :p |
| 00:49.39 | bamccaig | Is anybody familiar with openmoko-set-root-password? Is there no cli equivalent, etc.? |
| 00:49.57 | bamccaig | And if you do set the root password, are things going to break when you boot the Neo or will it know to prompt you? |
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| 00:56.22 | Dave | I don't see anything wrong with that |
| 00:56.27 | Dave | so long as you remember it :) |
| 00:58.11 | xcasex | hmmm anyone with a gta01 to unload for a buck ortwo ;d |
| 00:58.18 | xcasex | ;D |
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| 01:09.06 | bamccaig | Is the process for flashing the updated splash screen the same as installing the kernel and rootfs (i.e. -a splash)? |
| 01:10.22 | zash | xcasex: didnt you have one already? |
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| 01:12.29 | ivanchoo9 | somebody talk in spanish??? |
| 01:15.11 | pjz | quien? |
| 01:15.13 | gregdude | bamccaig, yeah just set the target to "splash" |
| 01:17.27 | bamccaig | The boots are kinda lame... The original splash looked nicer... What's the deal with that? |
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| 01:18.22 | danwink | yeah i hate the boots (ib) |
| 01:19.03 | danwink | i had to go get spore before best buy closed. i kept forgetting to get it |
| 01:20.06 | bamccaig | OK, so apparently flashing the new splash was a bad thing(TM). My FreeRunner seemingly finished booting, but now the screen is dark (all black?) and it doesn't seem to respond to my inputs. |
| 01:21.39 | ivanchoo9 | somebody talk in spanish? |
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| 01:26.44 | kelvie | is it possible to flash the kernel live? |
| 01:27.22 | kelvie | I'm sure the kernel partition is just one of the /dev/mtdblocks |
| 01:27.30 | kelvie | but I don't know which one or what kind of partition they are |
| 01:28.49 | bamccaig | Wow, something is definitely not happy in 2008.9... I'm having pretty consistent issues with the screen seemingly turning off or something... :-/ |
| 01:29.12 | fredrin | bamccaig: ditto |
| 01:29.52 | danwink | yeah i had to tap the power button then touch the screen to get it to stop doing that |
| 01:30.12 | danwink | but then after 30s it happens again |
| 01:32.24 | bamccaig | Thing is, I tap the power button and nothing seems to be happening so I get impatient and hold it... And then the phone seems to shutdown (once the graphics came back in time for me to see it shutting down). |
| 01:32.38 | danwink | YES! SUCCESS! Finally ping google.com works. |
| 01:32.46 | bamccaig | \o/ |
| 01:33.17 | bamccaig | I've increased suspend to 60 seconds... Still doesn't seem enough though. :) |
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| 01:33.31 | fredrin | I've turned off suspend.... |
| 01:33.40 | danwink | fredrin: me too. |
| 01:33.54 | bamccaig | And the screen still turns off? WTF is happening then? |
| 01:33.57 | danwink | ok whats the best terminal openmoko-terminal or xterm |
| 01:34.03 | danwink | no the screen stops turning off |
| 01:34.08 | danwink | when you finally do that |
| 01:34.20 | danwink | but then its on forever. not a great comprimise |
| 01:34.29 | bamccaig | Yeah... :-/ |
| 01:35.13 | danwink | oh cool the logo for xterm is from superjer |
| 01:35.31 | danwink | my inspiration for my raytracer |
| 01:35.43 | bamccaig | Does anybody know where I can find instructions for installing a new touch keyboard on 2008.9? I need QWERTY... :'( |
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| 01:38.13 | bamccaig | After rebooting my /etc/resolv.conf file was wiped clean... Is that normal? If so, where do I store the nameservers permanently? |
| 01:40.06 | danwink | It is, i think you edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:40.36 | danwink | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Configure_Default_Neo_DNS |
| 01:41.02 | bamccaig | Ah... For some reason whenever I read that I thought it was on hosts that supported said file, which AFAICT Fedora doesn't.. |
| 01:42.18 | danwink | Yes this is so much fun. When i first got the Freerunner i was scared that it was too much a "developers only" phone, if you know what i mean, but im having so much fun with it now. |
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| 01:44.34 | bamccaig | Hmmm, is there a limit to how many nameservers you can add? I'm using my ISP's from home, but when I'm elsewhere or on public WiFi networks I might need to use different DNS servers... Can I add more than 3? |
| 01:47.16 | bamccaig | manually suspended his FreeRunner to test it's operation and *again* shut it down trying to awaken it. |
| 01:48.06 | bamccaig | It seems the "locked" functionality via AUX actually postpones the shutdown though... o_O |
| 01:48.34 | danwink | yeah when you awaken just a really quick tap, made that mistake a few times |
| 01:49.13 | bamccaig | Yeah, it just doesn't seem to work though... I give it a quick tap and nothing seems to happen for 10 - 15 seconds... And I start to think it can't be taking that long and try again holding a little longer... |
| 01:49.54 | bamccaig | FreeRunner: .92843822 seconds. No more. No less. >:( |
| 01:50.24 | danwink | yeah for me a quick tap on the power button and then touch the touch screen immediatly |
| 01:50.36 | danwink | ok does anyone know how snake works |
| 01:50.51 | danwink | whats the select key? |
| 01:51.47 | danwink | snake is very lame. |
| 01:53.06 | fredrin | duke nukem 3d is nice :) |
| 01:54.19 | danwink | oo ill have to download that |
| 02:04.22 | ivanchoo9 | Somebody talk in spanish???????????????????????????? (= |
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| 02:10.03 | danwink | how are you supposed to type in xterm!?!?! |
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| 02:17.15 | bamccaig | ivanchoo9: I don't think so. ;) |
| 02:19.08 | xcasex | zash: yep. but i need a second unit |
| 02:19.55 | bamccaig | Is `man' excluded simply because of capacity? It's kind of annoying to not be able to get more information on a command. :P |
| 02:21.26 | bamccaig | almost dropped his Neo off his lap... :'( |
| 02:24.13 | raster | bamccaig: run man on your deskto |
| 02:24.31 | raster | seriouisly - it is a waste of flash to includ emanuals/docs on the phone |
| 02:24.34 | raster | u have limited space |
| 02:24.50 | raster | put stuff the software needs that u can't use more easily elsewhere |
| 02:24.51 | raster | :) |
| 02:25.07 | danwink | the freerunner feels very sturdy. Like if you dropped it off you lap it wouldnt matter |
| 02:28.30 | bamccaig | Are they exactly the same manuals between the desktop and Neo though? |
| 02:28.49 | bamccaig | danwink: I'd rather not find out. :P |
| 02:28.54 | raster | if its the same command... |
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| 02:33.12 | bamccaig | I thought maybe xterm required a special option to display the keyboard... I don't understand how the whole platform works though (i.e. what takes care of the keyboard, the application or the OS)... |
| 02:33.25 | raster | xterm has zero suport for auto-keyboard show |
| 02:33.37 | raster | u need manual control |
| 02:33.54 | bamccaig | What does that mean? :) |
| 02:34.03 | raster | om decided that manula control is unnecessary by default thus u have to modify things to get it back |
| 02:34.35 | raster | apps need to hint "i want a keyboard" |
| 02:34.39 | raster | there are 2 mechanisms |
| 02:34.54 | raster | the matchbox one (send a message to root explicitly saying "show" or "hide" keyboard) |
| 02:35.11 | raster | or via properties on the window (much preferred) as u then just put a porperty saying "this window wants a keyboard" |
| 02:35.16 | raster | and what style |
| 02:35.22 | raster | (alpha-numeric, numebrs only, etc.) |
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| 02:35.32 | raster | if apps dont have this support keyboard wont display or hide |
| 02:35.35 | raster | it'll do nothing |
| 02:35.39 | bamccaig | Is this the planned implementation or the existing implemention? :-X |
| 02:35.46 | raster | thats why i also had a manula control button |
| 02:35.48 | raster | in the wm |
| 02:35.52 | raster | that manually shows/hides kbd |
| 02:36.09 | raster | but om decided they didnt want manual control |
| 02:36.15 | raster | so removed that feature |
| 02:36.38 | raster | i no longer work for om |
| 02:36.48 | bamccaig | Are you basically saying that the repository version of xterm is completely unusable? |
| 02:36.51 | raster | so whatever they plan is non of my concern - nor do i know what they plan |
| 02:36.52 | raster | :) |
| 02:37.01 | raster | dont look at me |
| 02:37.05 | raster | ask om |
| 02:37.11 | raster | as i said above |
| 02:37.18 | bamccaig | o_O |
| 02:37.24 | raster | u need to modify things (install replacement packages) to get manual control back |
| 02:37.28 | raster | by default it is unusable |
| 02:37.29 | raster | correct |
| 02:37.35 | raster | that was what om wanted |
| 02:37.47 | danwink | if i was connected to my freerunner via usb and through ssh i typed ifdown usb0, how do i get my usb back |
| 02:38.08 | raster | danwink: ifup usb0 ? |
| 02:38.17 | danwink | but im not connected anymore.... |
| 02:38.24 | raster | u dont have a terminal? |
| 02:38.30 | danwink | i have xterm, |
| 02:38.42 | raster | ifup usb0 then |
| 02:38.44 | raster | in it |
| 02:38.50 | danwink | but theres no keyboard |
| 02:39.31 | bamccaig | Heh. |
| 02:39.35 | raster | and no manual keyboard controls added? |
| 02:39.35 | bamccaig | We just went over this. ;) |
| 02:39.53 | danwink | nope ... |
| 02:39.58 | danwink | is embarrassed |
| 02:40.00 | raster | (ie changed packages/theme etc. whihc requires basically using the installer) |
| 02:40.07 | raster | and thus having wifi or a network working |
| 02:40.17 | raster | as it will only install from a repository that you've set up to work |
| 02:40.19 | danwink | yeah i had usb networking working |
| 02:40.22 | raster | then reboot |
| 02:40.24 | raster | u're sol. |
| 02:40.29 | danwink | damn! |
| 02:40.30 | danwink | lol |
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| 02:41.19 | danwink | thats the whole question. How do you enable a connection when you need the connection enabled to enable it? |
| 02:43.14 | raster | well.. u were silly and did ifdown usb0 |
| 02:43.18 | raster | u did shoot yourself in the foot |
| 02:43.19 | raster | :) |
| 02:43.49 | danwink | yeah but i was going to type ifup usb0 right afterwards! i promise! |
| 02:43.52 | danwink | lol |
| 02:43.53 | raster | just be happy that it doesnt remember interface state and save it and only restore if's that were up on boot |
| 02:44.03 | raster | why difown/up it at all? |
| 02:44.12 | raster | (or u wanted to change ip?) |
| 02:44.42 | danwink | because it stopped working because i typed ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 after changing some stuff in etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:48.29 | raster | aaah |
| 02:48.34 | raster | something u should have tyhought of |
| 02:48.43 | raster | "i'm about to disable the interface i'm using to do this work" |
| 02:48.44 | raster | :) |
| 02:48.57 | raster | same as if u ssh'd into a server and u did ifdown eth0 on it |
| 02:49.05 | raster | you ssh session wont be useful anymore |
| 02:49.06 | raster | :) |
| 02:49.35 | danwink | lol yeah i didnt quite think it through |
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| 02:54.08 | shoragan | raster, what do you think about having e17 remember if a window needs a keyboard (like the decoration settings) |
| 02:54.08 | raster | at least u can reboot |
| 02:54.52 | shoragan | then we ship a default config with xterm and some other apps already configured |
| 02:55.46 | raster | shoragan: thats possible |
| 02:55.56 | raster | tho e17's core knows nothing of vkbd's or those properties |
| 02:56.04 | raster | so i'd need to make a fari few adjustments |
| 02:56.07 | raster | fair |
| 02:56.18 | raster | als then i'd really need to make window remembers accessible to users too |
| 02:56.26 | raster | so they can add their own |
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| 02:58.05 | danwink | after my device boots it shows the home screen for 30secs or so then the screen goes black and i cant get it back on without taking out the battery, but then the same thing happens again |
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| 02:59.18 | stevenSn | danwink: Does this happen during the booting process? |
| 02:59.27 | raster | looks like it suspends |
| 02:59.30 | raster | and resume is broken |
| 03:00.01 | stevenSn | I've had the phone suspend during a restart of x, and I had to keep tapping the power button to let it progress 5 seconds of the boot at a time |
| 03:00.32 | danwink | no it went all the way to home screen |
| 03:00.44 | danwink | yeah |
| 03:01.03 | danwink | im looking forward to 2008.10 |
| 03:01.06 | stevenSn | can you get in through usb networking? |
| 03:01.46 | bamccaig | danwink: I just disabled Suspend... |
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| 03:07.29 | danwink | im getting frustrated... |
| 03:07.33 | danwink | im going to try again tomorrow |
| 03:07.40 | danwink | night guys, thanks for the help |
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| 03:16.13 | bamccaig | can't get his FreeRunner out of suspend again! >:( |
| 03:17.08 | bamccaig | and somehow launched the Web browser in the process of trying. >:( |
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| 03:18.09 | bamccaig | I actually think it is unsuspended (I can barely make out the screen), but the screen is way too dark to see... It's practically black... Is this a known issue? Is there a solution? |
| 03:18.41 | raster | well u'd know if usb works |
| 03:18.43 | raster | and u can ssh in... |
| 03:18.56 | bamccaig | Well I am ssh'd in... It's still working fnie. |
| 03:19.01 | bamccaig | s/fnie/fine/ |
| 03:19.06 | raster | then its alive |
| 03:19.12 | raster | it may not have suspended at all |
| 03:19.16 | bamccaig | This I know... I want my screen back! |
| 03:19.16 | raster | is an apm -s process hanging about? |
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| 03:20.50 | bamccaig | Apparently, yes... :-X |
| 03:20.59 | raster | aha1 |
| 03:21.08 | raster | u fell victim to the qpe/qtopia hang bug |
| 03:21.10 | raster | ie |
| 03:21.20 | raster | e/eillume said to ompower "hey.. lets suspend" |
| 03:21.24 | bamccaig | At least, there is an apm running and when I `cat' it's /proc/<pid>/cmdline it outputs "apm-s" |
| 03:21.31 | raster | ompower, seeing no one had insisted on a "no.. keep the cpu alive" |
| 03:21.36 | raster | said "ok.. apm -s.. lets suspend" |
| 03:21.37 | raster | ... |
| 03:21.49 | raster | and well qpe use apmbios to inser a hook into apm suspend |
| 03:22.00 | raster | so it gets to pause the suspend and do stuff before suspend |
| 03:22.07 | raster | like set the modem to "suspend" mode |
| 03:22.10 | raster | (gms modem) |
| 03:22.14 | raster | its at this point things fail |
| 03:22.17 | raster | qpe hooks into suspend |
| 03:22.23 | raster | but never lets suspend continue |
| 03:22.29 | raster | so u're hung basically |
| 03:22.37 | raster | killall apm will get your backlight back |
| 03:22.38 | raster | :) |
| 03:23.31 | bamccaig | \o/ |
| 03:23.41 | bamccaig | Thank you. So is that a clean workaround or is it messy? :-X |
| 03:24.16 | raster | messy |
| 03:24.26 | raster | its a qpe + calypso gsm modem issue |
| 03:24.30 | raster | what precisely - dont know |
| 03:24.41 | raster | but somewhere betwene qpe and gsm modem lies the fix |
| 03:24.45 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03marek * r4667 10/trunk/src/host/pye17/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 03:24.45 | CIA-22 | openmoko: add ecore_evas support |
| 03:24.45 | CIA-22 | openmoko: minor fixes |
| 03:24.50 | raster | a lot of people suffer from this |
| 03:27.03 | bamccaig | Hmmm... So is it OK to continue working after it or is it best to reboot? |
| 03:28.14 | bamccaig | Argh... Now it won't even shutdown with the power button... :-X |
| 03:28.45 | raster | its ok |
| 03:29.13 | bamccaig | Is apm responsible for the shutdown or is that just a side effect? |
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| 03:29.25 | raster | hmm |
| 03:29.33 | raster | shutdown... |
| 03:29.53 | raster | actually... |
| 03:29.58 | raster | i think its a packaging problem |
| 03:31.06 | raster | actualkly no |
| 03:31.08 | raster | thats fine |
| 03:31.22 | raster | not sure why |
| 03:31.28 | raster | u hold down pwer for > 2sec |
| 03:32.08 | bamccaig | I held it down for like 10... Nothing. |
| 03:32.30 | raster | odd |
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| 03:33.07 | raster | just reboot/reset and see if it works then |
| 03:33.53 | bamccaig | reboot/reset how? :P |
| 03:34.11 | bamccaig | I could pull the battery/USB cable... If I must. |
| 03:35.54 | raster | pull battery and usb |
| 03:35.57 | raster | fast and simple |
| 03:36.00 | raster | wont kill anything |
| 03:37.50 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03marek * r4668 10/trunk/src/host/pye17/ecore_evas/ (. Makefile ecore_evas.override ecore_evasmodule.c): add missing files :| |
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| 03:42.57 | bamccaig | I think I'm going to bed... I gotta work in the morning... :( |
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| 03:56.07 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick * r4669 10/trunk/feeds/community-repository/file-index.txt: [community repository] fix the typo on version, my bad. Sorry. |
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| 04:06.24 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick * r4670 10/trunk/feeds/community-repository/file-index.txt: [community repository] move back to r27, for the author remove the package. |
| 04:07.19 | fredrin | what's uboot-envedit ? |
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| 04:59.38 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick * r4671 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (libopkg.c opkg.c opkg_cmd.c pkg.c): [opkg] fixing typo & incompatible part to gcc 4.3.2 |
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| 05:48.15 | prjktdtnt | building a copy of SHR now since I've tested about every other image there is now |
| 05:48.32 | prjktdtnt | does anyone know how to reverse the changes made to u-boot when installing debian though so flash is the default again? |
| 05:52.56 | alphaone | yay |
| 05:52.58 | alphaone | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/20126bfa39235a51bd9fed0822478c02.png |
| 05:53.11 | alphaone | and http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a05d4417e5cd0f76583e65cdd76e613a.png |
| 05:54.02 | playya | carsten added chinese/japanes keyboard? |
| 05:55.15 | raster | no |
| 05:55.48 | raster | but i have plans to make illume's kbd able to do it |
| 05:56.01 | raster | if pinyin is like romaji in japanese (or kanna) |
| 05:56.11 | raster | it can definitely work given the right dictionary input |
| 05:56.30 | raster | it's alwayys been able to display chinese/japanese etc. t5ho |
| 05:56.33 | doc|home | anyone having screwiness with call volume being really low in qtopia? |
| 05:56.43 | doc|home | even though it has been turned up |
| 05:58.07 | playya | what is pinyin ? |
| 05:58.38 | playya | i want to have a kanji keyboard with scrollbars |
| 06:00.32 | charlie137 | raster: can you specify a dictionary giving several output values for a given input value ? |
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| 06:00.51 | raster | no |
| 06:00.54 | raster | BUT |
| 06:01.02 | raster | that is something i toyted with as an idea |
| 06:01.06 | charlie137 | like "ni" -> "ä½ " or "å°¼" |
| 06:01.06 | raster | i'd need to revamp the dict format |
| 06:01.09 | raster | but it'd be possible |
| 06:01.20 | raster | the original driver was italian |
| 06:01.30 | raster | ie you can input the base of a word |
| 06:01.32 | raster | ok |
| 06:01.37 | raster | let me do german - as its the same |
| 06:01.47 | raster | "essen" to eat |
| 06:01.54 | charlie137 | genau :) |
| 06:02.46 | roh | looks quite irritated that there is actually unicode working in here |
| 06:02.47 | raster | if u put in "esse" it could offer "esse, essen, isst" |
| 06:02.55 | raster | as those are the conjuugated forms |
| 06:03.13 | raster | asd u say for chinise |
| 06:03.13 | raster | same |
| 06:03.15 | raster | and japanese |
| 06:03.44 | roh | bitchx in a screen on another machine connected via ssh... displayed by gnome terminal... scary and impressive that such things 'just work' nowadays |
| 06:04.11 | roh | i wonder if i could paste it... ä½ å°¼ |
| 06:04.16 | charlie137 | how do you express that in the dictionary ? |
| 06:04.16 | raster | sakana -> ãããª,é,è´,åãª,è¶èãª, .... (etc.) |
| 06:04.28 | raster | (in japanese the list of possible matches is enormous) |
| 06:04.32 | charlie137 | esse -> isst ? |
| 06:04.36 | raster | yeah |
| 06:04.37 | raster | irregular |
| 06:04.42 | roh | looks fscked in the input line, is fine afterwards.. weird |
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| 06:04.54 | raster | same for laufen |
| 06:04.55 | alphaone | raster: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/20126bfa39235a51bd9fed0822478c02.png and http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a05d4417e5cd0f76583e65cdd76e613a.png |
| 06:05.09 | roh | raster sakana doesnt display here |
| 06:05.20 | playya | and in japanese you have 2 choices for every "easy" letter |
| 06:05.42 | raster | lauf -> laufe, laufen, läuft ... |
| 06:05.57 | raster | the problem is finding data to build such a dict |
| 06:06.02 | charlie137 | yeah |
| 06:06.07 | raster | thats why i went with the simplest dict form around |
| 06:06.32 | raster | alpa i know :) |
| 06:06.37 | charlie137 | but in the case of chinese, you only provide full matches I guess... |
| 06:06.38 | raster | alphaone: i saw :) |
| 06:06.44 | playya | in germany you might parse duden.de |
| 06:06.56 | raster | playya: actually more complicated |
| 06:07.01 | raster | u have romanji as well |
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| 06:07.36 | playya | and expensive |
| 06:07.39 | alphaone | raster: So all that's missing is an input method now :-) |
| 06:08.15 | roh | i also has the feeling integrating existing input methods should be done before inventing a totally new one ;) |
| 06:08.18 | roh | eh have |
| 06:08.23 | roh | fsck.. should go to sleep |
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| 06:08.48 | charlie137 | yeah, there are already existing input methods |
| 06:08.50 | raster | alphaone: p well as such - with the right dictionary format and handling of it i can getr rid of an input method |
| 06:08.52 | raster | but for now - u need one |
| 06:08.54 | charlie137 | at least I know SCIM |
| 06:08.57 | raster | and use pinyin/romaji |
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| 06:10.45 | raster | roh: as such - not inventing a new input method, just in improving western language support for non-english (ie more regular europeant languages that tend to conjugate regularly and a lot - eg tenior said his italian dict has 400k+ entires and not complete due to all the conjugations of words, not because italian has so many words) |
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| 06:11.25 | raster | so in makign the dictionary faster/better/smaller for such sutiations i CAN also solve asian input methods |
| 06:11.30 | raster | its a bi-product |
| 06:11.45 | raster | with just a little thought i can tackle the lot. |
| 06:11.54 | raster | the real problem is "input data" |
| 06:12.00 | raster | ie how to generate such dictionaries |
| 06:12.01 | raster | from what |
| 06:12.02 | raster | etc. |
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| 06:12.30 | zash | how hard is drawing + ocr |
| 06:12.36 | roh | raster yeah.. but for now i think people would be happy to have something existing which works and is known and then everybody can experiment with better methods and have 'something which does the job' before |
| 06:12.50 | raster | already there |
| 06:12.53 | raster | thats my point |
| 06:12.53 | roh | scim sounds good, if one can adapt it to touchscreen properly |
| 06:12.55 | raster | thats done |
| 06:13.00 | raster | what to fix/improve next |
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| 06:13.20 | raster | i know i'm not touching scim as that just needs packaging |
| 06:13.32 | raster | scim will of courzse want to display its little inptu method window |
| 06:13.50 | raster | whihc is override-redirect |
| 06:13.55 | raster | so out of e/illume's control |
| 06:14.03 | raster | i can cleave packaging that up to others |
| 06:14.10 | raster | e already supports input methdo setup |
| 06:14.15 | raster | so e will launch scim for you |
| 06:14.21 | raster | and set up all the env variables etc. |
| 06:14.30 | roh | ah.. i see.. nice |
| 06:14.37 | raster | just select the input method in e's input method support config dialog |
| 06:14.44 | raster | scim, uim, iimf already have profiles |
| 06:14.49 | raster | i use scim myself |
| 06:14.53 | raster | :) |
| 06:15.10 | raster | u can create new .uim files - e comes with a tool to create them |
| 06:15.21 | raster | (enlightenment_imf) |
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| 06:16.43 | raster | thats why i'm not concerned - just needs packaging and inclusion and the input method support dialog to be exposed |
| 06:16.53 | raster | at least form my point of view that work is all done |
| 06:17.17 | raster | i was just looking at whats next as i do need to improve the dict and dict format - get more speed out of the lookups etc. |
| 06:17.42 | raster | as the way i did it is very low on memory usage - very very very, but... its not hyper-fast given the fast permutations of input it has to look up for fuzz correction |
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| 06:20.50 | roh | n8 |
| 06:21.19 | zash | paint + mms :D |
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| 06:23.08 | zash | hm .. multiplayer whiteboard/paint-thingy over internet |
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| 06:24.25 | raster | ? |
| 06:25.29 | doc|home | anyone having screwiness with call volume being really low in qtopia even with the call volume turned up? |
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| 06:26.19 | zash | raster: 1) using stylus to draw non-latin characters, optimizing it and sending it as monochrome mms |
| 06:26.40 | zash | or, draw whatever |
| 06:27.01 | raster | hmm |
| 06:27.02 | raster | ok |
| 06:27.05 | raster | expensive conversation |
| 06:27.06 | raster | :) |
| 06:28.44 | zash | or s/monochrome mms/svg/ |
| 06:29.47 | zash | and, multiplayer paint would be cool |
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| 06:31.34 | luisfelipe | Hey, I've just got a freerunner to test, I've flashed it with the newest 2008.9 image+kernel. At the first boot it stopped at 59%, and now when I try to boot it it just hangs after Starting kernel |
| 06:31.49 | luisfelipe | any idea/help ? I've searched the wiki but found nothing so far |
| 06:32.40 | prjktdtnt | luisfelipe: did the DFU util report no errors when you flashed? |
| 06:32.54 | luisfelipe | no |
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| 06:45.07 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix encoding SMS with characters in the GSM extension table |
| 06:45.07 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: We tried to catch KeyError instead of ValueError so we missed the exceptions |
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| 06:57.37 | beni_ | Well, my phone woke up this night again (did a suspend test over the night to test that). At morning, battery was empty, it didnt even boot. |
| 06:57.55 | beni_ | would be nice to hear if there is some ticket for that already, otherwise i will open one. |
| 06:58.20 | beni_ | (yes, i did the search but i found very much suspend issues all describing the "screen stays blank" problem) |
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| 06:59.36 | prjktdtnt | I love having GPRS |
| 07:00.00 | prjktdtnt | too bad it's only 56k (on a good day) so downloading SHR will suck until I get home |
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| 07:12.38 | kelvie | does suspend just not work on the stable-2.6.26 kernel? |
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| 07:15.48 | kelvie | hrm .. finally got it to suspend |
| 07:15.50 | kelvie | but I guess it doesn't wake up |
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| 07:26.25 | CIA-10 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rfe2baa545cc0 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: |
| 07:26.25 | CIA-10 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix UD length for SMS including GSM extension alphabet characters. |
| 07:26.25 | CIA-10 | freesmartphone.org: Characters like "\", "[", ... are encoded as two septets so we need to use |
| 07:26.25 | CIA-10 | freesmartphone.org: the length of the encoded user data. |
| 07:26.36 | lesouvage | I added dev-util and neotool to my centos 4.6 system at /root/Desktop and schanged the mode in 100754 (executable by owner and by group readable by everybody). I'm logged in as root. When I run ./neotool from the terminal I got the message -- text is not supported for this dialog. What am I missing, what should I do to get this working? |
| 07:28.09 | lesouvage | I checked the software prequisites and the software is on the system. |
| 07:28.10 | CIA-10 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r68f40402c9d3 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Fallback to UCS2 if encoding a message in the GSM alphabet fails |
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| 07:29.43 | |FiLiP| | any qtopia users around ? |
| 07:29.54 | lpotter | yes |
| 07:30.13 | |FiLiP| | should have known ;-) |
| 07:30.19 | lpotter | :) |
| 07:30.19 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:30.46 | |FiLiP| | I just cross-compiled roadmap for the FR, and it seems to be working (well, that is, it starts correctly) |
| 07:31.03 | |FiLiP| | both qtroadmap and qtroadgps |
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| 07:32.09 | |FiLiP| | only prob is I do not seem to have a GPS fix , and i'm not sure if it is because there is effectivley no GPS fix, or if gpsd comm is not working. |
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| 07:37.00 | lesouvage | Noboddy has a pointer on how to get neotool at work. I don't seem to be lucky with the tools for falshing the freerunner. |
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| 07:37.23 | lesouvage | falshing=flashing |
| 07:37.32 | |FiLiP| | if anyone has some spare minutes to give roadmap GPS app a try on qtopia and report results, please check http://www.linux4.be/fr/roadmap.html |
| 07:37.45 | lpotter | |FiLiP|: not sure, I dont use gpsd |
| 07:38.06 | lpotter | it might take a while to get a fix, especially indoors |
| 07:39.21 | |FiLiP| | lpotter: I know, never used gpsd on the qtopia before neither. But I supose it should be working ? |
| 07:39.32 | lpotter | yes, it should |
| 07:39.57 | |FiLiP| | ok, I'll try it later tonight outside (going to take a walk during lunchbreak) |
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| 07:49.55 | lesouvage | My refalshing to 2008.9 just started. Hope thinks will work oout ;-) |
| 07:50.02 | lesouvage | reflashing |
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| 07:57.57 | [df] | does qtopia do suspend? |
| 07:59.28 | Shlee | Very well |
| 07:59.42 | [df] | how do you put it into suspend? |
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| 08:09.21 | lesouvage | My freerunner is booting again ! funny the boots on the screen. It seems to work well although it really takes time. |
| 08:10.03 | [df] | yep, but you don't really need to reboot it that often in normal use |
| 08:10.51 | lesouvage | oops, the screen went black. I suppose that is not a good sign. Just after generating the dropbear rsa keays |
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| 08:15.10 | lesouvage | There seem to be no way to start the device again. Any advice? (it seems that I run into serious trouble) |
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| 08:16.25 | lpotter | hit the power button to wake it up maybe |
| 08:17.12 | [df] | or if that fails, hold the power button down to either shut it down or start it, depending on what state it's in |
| 08:17.25 | [df] | and if that fails, take the battery out I guess? |
| 08:17.40 | [df] | don't worry, it's very unlikely to be in an unrecoverable state |
| 08:17.50 | lesouvage | false alarm, the device run out of power. I have it on the power supply and now it i booting again. Not really brliant of me ;-) |
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| 08:19.17 | swc|666 | man 2008.9 is eh suck |
| 08:19.20 | swc|666 | t |
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| 08:20.19 | lesouvage | I have it running youppie!! |
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| 08:26.03 | MrShleee | 2008.9/ASU has issues with suspend/screen dimming... FDOM seems ok |
| 08:26.30 | [df] | I didn't notice any issues - don't have it installed at the moment though |
| 08:26.33 | hossi_ | where do I find Zecke's unofficial updates? |
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| 08:29.09 | tomer | hey gues |
| 08:29.13 | tomer | and girls |
| 08:29.33 | tomer | just got my FR - can't connect to it |
| 08:29.39 | tomer | via ssh |
| 08:29.50 | SpeedEvil | You've got an ethernet device appearing? |
| 08:29.57 | SpeedEvil | usb0: on your host? |
| 08:30.01 | tomer | SpeedEvil: no |
| 08:30.02 | [df] | what OS are you trying to connect from? |
| 08:30.07 | tomer | i dont see it - thats the thing |
| 08:30.17 | tomer | fedora |
| 08:30.17 | SpeedEvil | tomer: does it show on lsusb (if linux) |
| 08:30.41 | tomer | SpeedEvil: checking |
| 08:31.06 | tomer | what name should i look for? i see a bunch |
| 08:31.19 | tomer | Uni class technology maybe...? |
| 08:31.25 | SpeedEvil | 1407:Bus 1 Device 4: ID 1457:5122 |
| 08:31.36 | SpeedEvil | Bus 1 Device 4: ID 1457:5122 |
| 08:31.38 | SpeedEvil | ratehr |
| 08:31.41 | lesouvage | swc:666: is your advice to use 2008.8 |
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| 08:32.13 | tomer | SpeedEvil: i see a few, but i guess that your configuration is not like mine |
| 08:32.25 | CIA-10 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r4d30cf55e3c8 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [ousaged] Added support for resources suspend and resume The code is a little bit tricky, it may be improved by using the tasklet class |
| 08:32.45 | tomer | SpeedEvil: how should i know? |
| 08:32.49 | [df] | tomer: does anything appear in dmesg when you plug it in? |
| 08:32.53 | SpeedEvil | tomer: the last two |
| 08:32.56 | SpeedEvil | tomer: the ID |
| 08:33.02 | SpeedEvil | 1457:5122 |
| 08:33.07 | SpeedEvil | should always be the same |
| 08:33.27 | tomer | SpeedEvil: no, dont have those |
| 08:33.30 | tomer | df: yes |
| 08:33.39 | SpeedEvil | Also, oyu need the cdc_ether module loaded or loadable automatically via whatever mechanism to run the ethernet |
| 08:33.55 | tomer | df: hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 |
| 08:34.04 | [df] | hmm |
| 08:34.11 | tomer | df: usb 2-2: device not accepting address 80, error -71 |
| 08:34.28 | tomer | SpeedEvil: i didnt do that |
| 08:34.32 | RedFlash | try using a diffrent usb port |
| 08:34.52 | tomer | switching usb port |
| 08:35.42 | tomer | same shit, different usb port :P |
| 08:36.00 | [df] | what is your kernel version? |
| 08:36.05 | tomer | same messages at dmesg |
| 08:36.24 | tomer | df: remind me... how to check? |
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| 08:36.41 | [df] | uname -a |
| 08:36.53 | tomer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.56 | [df] | well, uname -r will do it |
| 08:37.21 | [df] | definitely should be recent enough |
| 08:37.31 | tomer | i cant do anything with the build in console |
| 08:37.31 | [df] | a quick google suggests it might be a fedora bug? |
| 08:37.39 | tomer | i dont even have the '/' char... |
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| 08:37.50 | [df] | yeah, sucks |
| 08:38.10 | [df] | btw, you will probably want to flash it with a more recent distro quite soon as 2007.02 is kind of a dead end |
| 08:38.19 | tomer | df: god damn it! maybe i'll just wait to get home to my debian box... |
| 08:38.57 | tomer | df: i know that, i just wanted to get the nice home screen - right now i only have an empty screen with a few apps |
| 08:39.26 | tomer | i tried to connect with windows too, got the driver installed and all |
| 08:39.28 | [df] | have you got any usb stuff working on that box? |
| 08:39.45 | tomer | but i cant reach the phone |
| 08:39.48 | |FiLiP| | tomer: you are not using a virtualized environment (vmware, virtualbox, ...) ? |
| 08:39.55 | tomer | yeah - USB keyboard |
| 08:40.10 | [df] | ah - I'd suggest unplugging that, but then the machine wouldn't be much use ;) |
| 08:40.11 | tomer | |FiLiP|: no |
| 08:40.17 | tomer | heh |
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| 08:40.53 | [df] | I think the 2nd error is probably the problem |
| 08:41.08 | tomer | df: any suggestions? |
| 08:41.19 | [df] | http://www.linux-usb.org/FAQ.html#ts6 |
| 08:42.08 | tomer | it is an old box - it ha USB 1.1 ports, i believe... |
| 08:43.26 | tomer | i see it!! |
| 08:43.46 | tomer | df: thanks man! your pointer helped - i used a USB port |
| 08:43.53 | tomer | USB hub* |
| 08:44.08 | [df] | cool :) |
| 08:44.10 | tomer | Bus 001 Device 115: ID 1457:5122 First International Computer, Inc. OpenMoko Neo1973 kernel cdc_ether USB network |
| 08:44.39 | tomer | now what...? :D |
| 08:45.03 | tomer | i did /sbin/ifconfig usb0 up |
| 08:45.05 | tomer | worked |
| 08:45.12 | tomer | i should write a manual man! |
| 08:45.16 | tomer | ;) |
| 08:45.21 | CIA-10 | openmoko: 03olv 07org.openmoko.dev * reb9a5529b26c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] Bump up to 30a7e1001ed6426dbb3bd297326dfb655fdf9681. |
| 08:45.21 | CIA-10 | openmoko: 03olv 07org.openmoko.dev * r3d0a82370506 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [maps] Add map of Hong Kong. |
| 08:48.03 | Unclejack | anybody with u-boot expertize ? |
| 08:48.36 | tomer | df: i can now connect via ssh, but although the man says that the default root passwd is blank - i cannot access the device |
| 08:50.21 | [df] | hmm |
| 08:50.28 | [df] | you're doing ssh root@192.168.0.202? |
| 08:51.07 | tomer | yes |
| 08:51.17 | tomer | no |
| 08:51.42 | tomer | damn it, i sshed to myself |
| 08:51.45 | tomer | :D |
| 08:52.05 | SpeedEvil | 99.87% of new owners do that at some point. |
| 08:52.41 | Raigedas | is dropbear ssh server able to listen on one interface only? though FR successfully connects to wireless network, i am able to ssh only through IP of usb adapter.. |
| 08:54.16 | CIA-10 | openmoko: 03jeremy 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2bde20cd34a8 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] bump up to a0de11f295c6d2fd1e567205f853c9b994b2a306 |
| 08:54.16 | CIA-10 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * rd78e4fcbdaf3 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up to version 251 |
| 08:56.01 | Unclejack | has anybody of you tried gsm passthrough via u-boot ? |
| 08:56.01 | lesouvage | Is there some magic combination to start a terminal with om2008.9 . I can't find the option. |
| 08:56.55 | [df] | there's no terminal installed by default iirc |
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| 08:57.35 | CIA-10 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r3e2d703b7077 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Add a PDU to test characters on the extended GSM alphabet table |
| 08:58.10 | Raigedas | lesouvage, do you have xterm installed? |
| 08:59.05 | lesouvage | Raigedas: no, I just flashed the device with om2008.9 |
| 09:01.10 | Raigedas | lesouvage, i do not know differences between 2008.9 and 2008.8 but i assume they are very similar. so you need to setup usb networking, ssh to your FR and install xterm. |
| 09:01.19 | Raigedas | at least i did that |
| 09:02.00 | Raigedas | then icon appears on the "desktop" of FR |
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| 09:04.37 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 09:04.52 | lesouvage | I can't do that over wlan. There seem to be a connection with the accespoint? |
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| 09:06.23 | MrShleee | FDOM seems to have the same volume for handset and speakerphone.. |
| 09:06.25 | MrShleee | both loud! |
| 09:07.17 | hossi_ | are your webbrowser really slow in OM2008? |
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| 09:10.10 | MrShleee | webbrowser? |
| 09:11.27 | PBeck | which image should i flash? :D |
| 09:11.41 | [df] | depends... |
| 09:12.07 | [df] | how important is it to you to have a working phone? |
| 09:12.28 | PBeck | its important :) |
| 09:12.39 | PBeck | no qtopia ;) |
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| 09:12.58 | max_posedon | hehe, your should select |
| 09:13.08 | PBeck | :) |
| 09:13.16 | laBrute | hi guys, does OM 2008.8 have an emu now ? |
| 09:13.17 | [df] | qtopia seems to be the most stable - if you don't want that I guess perhaps FDOM? |
| 09:15.01 | PBeck | [df]: i should look on that ;) Thanks |
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| 09:18.20 | hossi_ | MrShleee: web browser |
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| 09:25.15 | lesouvage | There is Qtopia 4.3.2 flash image and a 4.3.3.snapshot. Hould I firt flash 4.3.2 and then the snpashot or can I do te snapshot at once. |
| 09:25.28 | [df] | the snapshot |
| 09:25.37 | lesouvage | thanks. |
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| 09:31.12 | max_posedon | lesouvage, you should flash 4.3.3-snaphot |
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| 09:33.58 | lesouvage | max_posedon: flashing is in progress |
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| 09:37.05 | lesouvage | just a question, but why isn't there a terminal app included with om2008.9 that would save a lot of initial problems for newbies like me. |
| 09:39.30 | hossi_ | lesouvage: i agree |
| 09:40.01 | [df] | me too (TM) |
| 09:40.11 | [df] | there isn't really a terminal-friendly keyboard either |
| 09:40.21 | max_posedon | lesouvage, becouse newbies should use qtopia |
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| 09:40.52 | lesouvage | Years ago I had to go to the same trouble wth the Zaurus device. Nice linux device but no terminal. It took me lots of time before I found out how to set up network conection and run ssh. I feel in the same position now. |
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| 09:41.59 | lesouvage | max_posedon: I'm flashing that right now so I seem to do the right thing (after wasting lots of time) |
| 09:42.14 | jaj | max_posedon: even qtopia has a terminal |
| 09:42.35 | max_posedon | jaj, they hide terminal far away from user) |
| 09:43.00 | jaj | yes and that's unfortunate but there are speed dials to work around this |
| 09:43.27 | lesouvage | Sorry that sounds to negative. I knew the status of the project but it is just a little bit frustrating to spend lots of time for the very very first steps. Running Asterisk on my neo freerunner seem to far, far away. |
| 09:43.59 | jaj | I haven't tried 2008.9 yet but I know that when I flashed 2008.8 it was cumbersome to get a terminal onto it and without a terminal it was not usable |
| 09:44.29 | beni_ | jaj: a terminal is just two packages away at 2008.9 |
| 09:44.37 | lesouvage | 2007.2 has one. |
| 09:44.43 | beni_ | (one for terminal itself and one for the better rasters keyboard) |
| 09:45.40 | lesouvage | beni_ but first you have to set up network connection over usb. |
| 09:45.40 | jaj | beni_: on 2008.8 I had to guess to how the usb0 network device was configure and adapt the one on my desktop to get a connection |
| 09:46.05 | lesouvage | my flashing is done! |
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| 09:46.12 | jaj | lesouvage: yes exactly and that's painful without a terminal on the Neo |
| 09:47.17 | lesouvage | On the zaurus I had years ago there was a kind of obscure key combination to start on runlevel 3 but the freerunner doesn't have that. |
| 09:47.28 | |FiLiP| | lpotter: still around ? have a question with regards to fastcharge on qtopia |
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| 09:47.47 | max_posedon | lesouvage, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_vs_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 09:47.51 | |FiLiP| | root@om-gta02:/opt/Nokia/Qtopia/bin# ./fast_charge |
| 09:47.51 | |FiLiP| | ./fast_charge: line 2: cannot create /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode: nonexistent directory |
| 09:48.04 | max_posedon | lesouvage, look at target audience) |
| 09:48.09 | |FiLiP| | I do however have a /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode |
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| 09:52.11 | lesouvage | max_posedon: you are totaly right. I was just expecting that the challenges came after taken the initial steps but the initial steps like configuring the basic settings is challenge on its own. I'm not a total newby, actually making a living with Asterisk (see www.asterisk.org) related services. |
| 09:52.34 | jaj | max_posedon: yes exactly, developer. and the developer needs a terminal, not a sudoku game |
| 09:52.53 | beni_ | lesouvage: that worked out of the box here (or did you mean at host side?) |
| 09:52.59 | max_posedon | jaj, ssh!) |
| 09:53.23 | max_posedon | terminal is totally use less, (hard to use, and slow to type) |
| 09:53.33 | beni_ | |FiLiP|: yes thats the correct one |
| 09:53.49 | max_posedon | (if we speak about developers of course) |
| 09:54.06 | beni_ | |FiLiP|: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode#Using_a_script , try one of the scripts |
| 09:55.28 | laBrute | where can i get the OpenMoko in china :'( |
| 09:55.33 | laBrute | in Shanghai |
| 09:55.47 | |FiLiP| | beni_: ok, thx. But it means the default script in the qtopia snapshot is no working for gta02. |
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| 10:13.00 | CIA-10 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r8d72ae1a1033 10/packages/gpsd/ (files/gpsd gpsd_2.34.bb): [gpsd] Modify gpsd daemon script to use start-stop-daemon |
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| 10:15.21 | lesouvage | i can't enter my 4 digit pincode on qtopia. is this a known problem? |
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| 10:16.12 | lesouvage | after adding my sim card to the phone. |
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| 10:20.38 | lesouvage | are there issues with certain telco's? |
| 10:21.03 | CIA-10 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rb197558413de 10/packages/gpsd/ (files/gpsd-default gpsd_2.34.bb): [gpsd] change gpsd device file from /dev/ttyS3 to /dev/ttySAC1 |
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| 10:23.01 | sakkara | lesouvage: whats the problem? does it say pin incorrect? |
| 10:23.47 | lesouvage | sakkara: no it stops accepting digits after the third one |
| 10:24.23 | lesouvage | I'm ow doing a reboot. I hope it helps. |
| 10:25.11 | beni_ | |FiLiP|: its not working in 2008.x either. |
| 10:25.28 | lesouvage | After the third digit there is a message Emergency number 000 Press call to dial. |
| 10:27.53 | sakkara | weird... |
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| 10:29.06 | sakkara | where do you live? what is your telco? |
| 10:29.28 | lesouvage | Yes: I don't expect a lot but being able to make a phonecall would be nice. I'm from Holland and Vodaphone is my telco |
| 10:30.39 | sakkara | and you have the right phone? not one for us gsm? |
| 10:30.52 | lesouvage | I'm started to feel kind of Marvin mooded after this morning with trying without success. |
| 10:31.24 | lesouvage | It works with om2007.2 I could call and be called. |
| 10:31.42 | sakkara | really strange o.O |
| 10:32.17 | sakkara | i tried every os and even with qtopia it worked fine... |
| 10:36.15 | Unclejack | ehy all, how to read IMEI from a FreeRunner ? |
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| 10:41.04 | mwester-trip | Should be printed under the battery. |
| 10:42.01 | hossi_ | wee I got the gps to work :) so cool |
| 10:43.50 | Sup3rkiddo | is the wiki down? |
| 10:46.33 | sakkara | Sup3rkiddo: no, it isn't |
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| 10:46.59 | sakkara | works fine for me |
| 10:47.28 | Sup3rkiddo | sakkara, thanks, works for me now |
| 10:47.47 | sakkara | np :o) |
| 10:50.59 | Unclejack | yeah I know, I need to do that from uboot |
| 10:51.33 | Unclejack | gsm passthrough doesn't work anymore on FreeRunners |
| 10:51.40 | torindel | Unclejack: mount factory partition ;p |
| 10:51.58 | torindel | its ext2 |
| 10:52.36 | Unclejack | could you be a bit more clear ? |
| 10:54.31 | torindel | Unclejack: in moko flash you got 6 partitions: u-boot, u-boot_env, kernel, splash, factory, rootfs |
| 10:54.37 | Unclejack | neat |
| 10:55.07 | torindel | on factory you got ext2fs with IMEI, bt/wifi mac numbers etc |
| 10:55.39 | Unclejack | cool, so I can use the loadetx2 command from uboot for reading that ? |
| 10:55.48 | torindel | nope |
| 10:55.55 | torindel | either mount it in os |
| 10:55.59 | torindel | or upload it to pc |
| 10:56.30 | Unclejack | f**k, I need a way to do it into the bootloader |
| 10:56.32 | torindel | dfu-util -a factory -R -U factory.ext2 <= this will save it on your pc |
| 10:56.56 | torindel | you can download it from bootloader with that |
| 10:58.30 | torindel | Unclejack: got it? |
| 10:58.31 | Unclejack | but I need something that works without a PC |
| 10:59.47 | mwester-trip | You want to be able to extract the IMEI from the phone while at the bootloader, and display that? You'll have to write code in the bootloader to do that -- either to read the factory partition as torindel says, or to query the GSM. |
| 11:00.13 | Unclejack | ok, so listen |
| 11:00.25 | Unclejack | the nice trick with GSM passthrough is dead |
| 11:00.48 | Unclejack | serial communication on Freerunner bootloader is fucked up |
| 11:01.15 | max_posedon | it works for me nicely, what I'am doing wrong?) |
| 11:01.53 | Unclejack | ? you can terminal s3ser0 ? |
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| 11:03.04 | harnir | hello |
| 11:04.00 | max_posedon | I hadn't any reason to did it. |
| 11:04.50 | harnir | I want to make a blog about OM and FR, what do you think about this style? http://frcorner.org/ |
| 11:05.13 | max_posedon | ugly |
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| 11:06.05 | jitu3485 | hey I am not able to install any thing using opkg on my freerunner , opkg install http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.3-r1_armv4t.ipk and it throws error: |
| 11:06.06 | jitu3485 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.08 | mwester-trip | what is s3ser0? |
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| 11:07.03 | MnemonicPunk | Hi there. =) May I ask question about initramfs? |
| 11:07.08 | Unclejack | the name for the gsm modem serial line |
| 11:07.22 | lindi- | MnemonicPunk: just ask |
| 11:07.40 | dns53 | you need to reboot, the installer application in 2008.8 locks opkg |
| 11:08.00 | MnemonicPunk | When my init starts (from the initramfs) it can't find basic commands like echo, sleep or mkdir. What could be the cause of that? |
| 11:08.31 | jaj | dns53: don't need to reboot |
| 11:08.43 | lindi- | MnemonicPunk: how did you create your initramfs? |
| 11:09.08 | jaj | you can kill the installer, can't remember what it's called but it's mentioned in the wiki |
| 11:09.20 | Unclejack | so or we fix the gsm serial init in u-boot or we read factory partition ... but I need to do it at runtime |
| 11:09.21 | MnemonicPunk | Put it together manually. |
| 11:09.30 | MnemonicPunk | Do I have to insert the commands myself? |
| 11:09.43 | lindi- | MnemonicPunk: where are the manual steps? |
| 11:10.28 | MnemonicPunk | tmzt_ from #htc-linux guided me through building it. |
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| 11:10.53 | lindi- | MnemonicPunk: do you have them documented somewhere? |
| 11:12.33 | MnemonicPunk | No, sorry. But I still have the directory. |
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| 11:13.43 | MnemonicPunk | My problem is: init simply fails because it won't recognize the commands in it. |
| 11:15.27 | lindi- | MnemonicPunk: hard to reproduce this without the commands |
| 11:16.01 | MnemonicPunk | Yeah, I know. =( |
| 11:18.10 | MnemonicPunk | I used the initramfs scripts from org.openembedded.dev.git if that helps. |
| 11:18.20 | MnemonicPunk | *initrdscripts I mean |
| 11:19.34 | lindi- | too many unknowns :( |
| 11:20.12 | MnemonicPunk | Is there some kind of stock initramfs I could use then? |
| 11:21.04 | SpeedEvil | MnemonicPunk: to try it is simple. |
| 11:21.22 | SpeedEvil | MnemonicPunk: chroot into the initramfs that you're making |
| 11:21.38 | SpeedEvil | MnemonicPunk: check that all commands you want run |
| 11:22.15 | lindi- | MnemonicPunk: initramfs is generated usually always |
| 11:22.21 | MnemonicPunk | Can't chroot, I crosscompiled it from my desktop. I don't have a running Linux environment on my phone yet. |
| 11:22.31 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 11:24.02 | MnemonicPunk | If you can point me to a working Linux for the HTC Magician I'd be the happiest guy on earth. ;p Didn't find one yet, though. Only with broken display drivers. |
| 11:24.40 | MnemonicPunk | The display was fixed in the newest kernel, problem is I can't make it boot. |
| 11:25.32 | MnemonicPunk | Is there some kind of path variable that must be set before init starts? |
| 11:26.07 | lindi- | MnemonicPunk: real /sbin/init? |
| 11:26.29 | MnemonicPunk | No, former init.sh, renamed to init |
| 11:26.53 | MnemonicPunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.58 | lindi- | MnemonicPunk: what distro are you about to use with this initramfs? |
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| 11:29.02 | MnemonicPunk | I wanted to try Openmoko. |
| 11:30.00 | MnemonicPunk | Don't know too much about the differences yet, I'm just trying to get a working kernel for my phone with whatever distro will do the job, for the moment. ^^ |
| 11:30.42 | lindi- | MnemonicPunk: there are many distros for openmoko |
| 11:30.57 | lindi- | MnemonicPunk: none of them use initramfs at the moment i think |
| 11:32.21 | MnemonicPunk | I don't insist on using initramfs. ^^ |
| 11:32.43 | lindi- | then don't :P |
| 11:33.30 | MnemonicPunk | What are the alternatives? ^^ |
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| 11:34.26 | lindi- | MnemonicPunk: just boot without initramfs |
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| 11:37.33 | MnemonicPunk | Hm. |
| 11:37.53 | MnemonicPunk | When I do that, it refuses to mount my /dev/mmcblk0p2 =( |
| 11:38.25 | MnemonicPunk | (Yes, the fs itself is valid, I can read/write it with my reader.) |
| 11:39.38 | tomer | how do i enter a url in om browser...? |
| 11:40.14 | lindi- | MnemonicPunk: what distro are you trying to use? |
| 11:40.58 | MnemonicPunk | Openmoko ^^ |
| 11:41.25 | lindi- | MnemonicPunk: 2008.9? |
| 11:41.39 | MnemonicPunk | I'm currently using an Openmoko from December '07 but since it doesn't even mount yet that can't be the reason I guess. |
| 11:42.34 | lindi- | i am trying to fix debian |
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| 11:50.18 | MnemonicPunk | Is Debian Debian? I mean... can you use Debian on your mobile as you would use it on a desktop? |
| 11:50.52 | nyu | yes, Debian is Debian |
| 11:51.02 | nyu | but the default GUI is not GNOME or KDE |
| 11:51.31 | dns53 | yeah it's just zhome, but you can use xfce4 fine |
| 11:52.26 | MnemonicPunk | xfce would be fine with me. |
| 11:52.53 | MnemonicPunk | Used that on my 500mhz/128MB RAM notebook and it run considerably well. |
| 11:52.57 | MnemonicPunk | With Ubuntu Gutsy xD |
| 11:53.22 | dns53 | it is a bit low in memory to do too much but it is usable |
| 11:53.42 | max_posedon | MnemonicPunk, swap is problem |
| 11:54.29 | MnemonicPunk | Yeh, thought so. |
| 11:54.53 | MnemonicPunk | My notebook was swapping like a hot couple in the sixties when I ran Gnome on it. |
| 11:55.30 | dns53 | you get a better experience if you build your own desktop and use the mathchbox toos |
| 11:55.39 | dns53 | tools |
| 11:56.12 | MnemonicPunk | I'll try that as soon as I get the kernel booting. =) |
| 11:58.01 | MnemonicPunk | Could you use an external HD (e.g. USB HD) as swap? |
| 11:58.22 | mjr | Sure. It'll be slow though. |
| 11:58.46 | jaj | Once I get a bigger SD card I'll play a bit with xmonad. I think it would be great for the Neo, I have some ideas in my mind |
| 11:58.52 | nyu | anyone had trouble with sound disapearing and only coming back when you plug in the headphones (and _not_ through the headphones but thru external speaker) |
| 11:59.04 | nyu | s/external/embedded/ |
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| 12:08.00 | lindi- | dns53: do you use xfce4 as non-root? |
| 12:08.55 | dns53 | as root, though you probably could change it |
| 12:09.18 | lindi- | dns53: i am trying to figure out how to do it best |
| 12:09.52 | dns53 | well you just su - app i think |
| 12:10.28 | lindi- | dns53: in /etc/init.d/a? |
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| 12:11.18 | dns53 | /etc/init.d/zhone-session from memory and replace zhome with su user -c xfce-session |
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| 12:11.37 | MnemonicPunk | Alright, my current error when I try to boot the kernel on its own is: VFS: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0p2" or unknown-block(254,2) |
| 12:11.43 | lindi- | dns53: that doesn't go through pam |
| 12:11.47 | lindi- | dns53: or does it? |
| 12:11.57 | lindi- | MnemonicPunk: yeah no support for SD it seems |
| 12:11.58 | MnemonicPunk | Suggestions welcome, I'm all out of ideas. xD |
| 12:12.05 | MnemonicPunk | Hm. |
| 12:12.25 | MnemonicPunk | But the driver seems to exist, it does work in the earlier kernel. |
| 12:12.40 | lindi- | builtin? |
| 12:12.59 | MnemonicPunk | Do you think recompiling with all available mmc/sd drivers might help? |
| 12:13.05 | dns53 | su user is builtin |
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| 12:13.32 | lindi- | MnemonicPunk: you should take a look at some existing configuration that works? |
| 12:13.46 | lindi- | dns53: i meant MnemonicPunk but 'su' for sure is not shell builtin :) |
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| 12:14.50 | MnemonicPunk | lindi-: The only "working" config I found so far is compiled into a single Haret + script + zImage .exe >.< |
| 12:14.55 | dns53 | isn't it part of buisybox? |
| 12:15.12 | lindi- | MnemonicPunk: haret? |
| 12:15.46 | MnemonicPunk | A bootloader for booting Linux from WinCE ^^ |
| 12:15.59 | lindi- | dns53: doesn't seem to be |
| 12:16.04 | lindi- | MnemonicPunk: ah you have some other hardware? |
| 12:16.35 | MnemonicPunk | HTC Magician. Er - Sorry if this is Openmoko HW only. |
| 12:16.40 | tomer | hey guys. i just got my FR, i'm connected to the net with wifi. how do i type url in the web browser? |
| 12:16.48 | tomer | it keeps completing my words |
| 12:16.54 | lindi- | MnemonicPunk: ok, that changes a lot :) |
| 12:16.57 | tomer | all i want is google ;) |
| 12:17.30 | MnemonicPunk | Escaping M$' claws is the hardest part with Openmoko for me, yet. ;p |
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| 12:21.52 | jaj | I wonder if it would be possible to run windows ce on the Neo. just for the fun of it |
| 12:22.06 | lindi- | does not sound fun |
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| 12:23.19 | MnemonicPunk | Believe me, WinCE is NO fun. xD |
| 12:23.26 | dns53 | you got the source code? |
| 12:23.49 | MnemonicPunk | I don't know HOW but it manages to stutter while only displaying the desktop... Just like Vista. xD |
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| 12:27.14 | MnemonicPunk | Don't you get WinCE owners here normally? o.o |
| 12:27.33 | lindi- | how can you own it? |
| 12:27.55 | MnemonicPunk | I mean people who own devices that come with WinCE. >.< |
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| 12:29.16 | dns53 | well wince is open source in the fact that if you have the money you can acess the source code, all modifications must go back to microsoft |
| 12:29.17 | swc|666 | WinCE FTL! |
| 12:29.28 | aliases123 | what wtf ? |
| 12:29.40 | MnemonicPunk | lol |
| 12:29.41 | swc|666 | vomits profusely |
| 12:29.53 | swc|666 | erm.. sorry, better now |
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| 12:30.20 | MnemonicPunk | At least it crashes just as reliably as the desktop Windows. =) |
| 12:30.46 | swc|666 | true |
| 12:31.10 | MnemonicPunk | Just an idea... |
| 12:31.13 | zash | oh, 16GB µSD |
| 12:32.01 | MnemonicPunk | Micsoroft could make an ad campaign along the lines of "I'm a PC" where they showcase peoples facial expressions when their PC crashes. |
| 12:32.06 | MnemonicPunk | *Microsoft |
| 12:32.12 | swc|666 | lol |
| 12:32.47 | zash | MnemonicPunk: when one in fact shows ppl beeing goatsed |
| 12:32.59 | MnemonicPunk | Yeh, just like those videos. xD |
| 12:33.24 | MnemonicPunk | Blue Goatse of Death should be a skin for Windows VIsta crashes. o.o |
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| 12:33.42 | swc|666 | :p |
| 12:34.14 | swc|666 | have u seen the goatse cake |
| 12:34.28 | MnemonicPunk | Do I want to? >_> |
| 12:34.35 | swc|666 | depends |
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| 12:34.54 | swc|666 | http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9034/birthdaycakeeo2.jpg <-- DON'T CLICK |
| 12:35.00 | swc|666 | !!! |
| 12:35.09 | dns53 | i've not seen the original image, only the safe for work wikipedia page |
| 12:35.12 | zash | instant clasic |
| 12:35.51 | MnemonicPunk | I can link you to the original image. xD |
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| 12:36.56 | swc|666 | MnemonicPunk: 'TheWrestler' is by far the worst of the worst in the goatse realm |
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| 12:39.19 | MnemonicPunk | You seem to have researched that very well. ;) |
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| 12:40.03 | CIA-10 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r6c52abeaa96c 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/alarm.py: otimed: add basic alarm system |
| 12:40.12 | SpeedEvil | visual basic? |
| 12:41.43 | GiggleLoop | I have an off-topic question (goatse-wise)... |
| 12:41.55 | SpeedEvil | Open up and reveal it. |
| 12:42.16 | GiggleLoop | I suspend supposed to be working in M3? Or am I just pushing the wrong button...? |
| 12:42.24 | GiggleLoop | s/I/Is/ |
| 12:42.30 | MnemonicPunk | Yeah, right, openmoko, as open as goatse... |
| 12:43.20 | MnemonicPunk | Still, doesn't run for me. =( |
| 12:43.43 | MnemonicPunk | My device can't find it's own memory card for some reasion. |
| 12:43.50 | swc|666 | 0o |
| 12:44.04 | swc|666 | not good |
| 12:44.08 | SpeedEvil | MnemonicPunk: do you get boot errors of any sort? |
| 12:44.13 | MnemonicPunk | Yesh. |
| 12:44.16 | MnemonicPunk | Lots of. |
| 12:44.17 | MnemonicPunk | xD |
| 12:44.30 | MnemonicPunk | VFS: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0p2" or unknown-block(254,2) |
| 12:44.48 | swc|666 | corrupt partition? |
| 12:44.50 | SpeedEvil | You've tried the normal boot images? |
| 12:45.10 | swc|666 | which kernel |
| 12:45.16 | MnemonicPunk | Do the normal boot images work with HTC devices? |
| 12:45.40 | swc|666 | you could prolly port stuff over to htc |
| 12:45.57 | SpeedEvil | MnemonicPunk: oops |
| 12:46.08 | SpeedEvil | MnemonicPunk: I made the obvious assumption, sorry |
| 12:46.15 | MnemonicPunk | I'm using the hh.org kernel from cvs ^^ |
| 12:46.23 | SpeedEvil | MnemonicPunk: have you ever had a kernel of any sort reading the card? |
| 12:46.36 | MnemonicPunk | Yes, I had. |
| 12:46.45 | swc|666 | MnemonicPunk: which htc btw |
| 12:46.57 | MnemonicPunk | hh.org 18 kernel worked with the SD, touchscreen and sound. |
| 12:46.58 | swc|666 | uni / ba? |
| 12:47.02 | MnemonicPunk | HTC Magician |
| 12:47.05 | swc|666 | ah |
| 12:47.09 | MnemonicPunk | It's a lot like the uni |
| 12:47.31 | swc|666 | yeah i'm welllll versed on htc's |
| 12:47.49 | MnemonicPunk | =) |
| 12:48.24 | swc|666 | i just get nausia with angstrom tho :s |
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| 12:49.26 | MnemonicPunk | I'll take any distor for now, just want to make it run. xD |
| 12:49.31 | MnemonicPunk | *distro |
| 12:49.44 | swc|666 | i hear that |
| 12:50.14 | swc|666 | hmm upgraded to B- status on hh |
| 12:50.24 | MnemonicPunk | The magician? |
| 12:50.56 | swc|666 | yup |
| 12:51.17 | MnemonicPunk | I have the choice between either: working SD, working sound, working everything minus the screen or: working screen but unbootable SD xD |
| 12:51.56 | swc|666 | yeah i feel you pain, belive me |
| 12:52.55 | swc|666 | i thought the uni w/128mb would have ben perfect if the ti acx100 would have been sdio |
| 12:53.30 | MnemonicPunk | If I use the hh18 Openmoko image by goxboxlive it boots and I can make it play sounds when I touch the screen. it even play some kind of welcome sound when it's done booting. I just don't see anything. >.< |
| 12:53.38 | swc|666 | like the ba... but the ba has horrible drivers for everyhtin else :s |
| 12:53.55 | swc|666 | which kernel |
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| 12:54.21 | swc|666 | is there anything upstream @ kernel.org for the magician? |
| 12:54.52 | swc|666 | yeah i was stuck at hh20 forever |
| 12:55.10 | swc|666 | then i used sameo's pathces fro .26 |
| 12:55.12 | MnemonicPunk | To be honest: I don't know. xD This is the first time I have to build a kernel and I'm kinda lost and trying to figure it all out. ^^ |
| 12:55.13 | swc|666 | for* |
| 12:55.51 | swc|666 | do u have a build env setup? |
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| 12:56.04 | swc|666 | lemme check something for u |
| 12:56.06 | MnemonicPunk | Apparently the Magician comes in 2 flavours, one with a Toppoly display, one with a Samsung. |
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| 12:56.25 | MnemonicPunk | swc|666: I can only crosscompile on my desktop right now. |
| 12:56.42 | swc|666 | no problem.. |
| 12:57.04 | MnemonicPunk | And the display driver I need has been fixed with hh20 but not 18. That's why it won't work with 18 for me. |
| 12:58.13 | swc|666 | damn... dont have access to my remote build box atm |
| 12:58.27 | swc|666 | growls |
| 12:59.58 | swc|666 | MnemonicPunk: git a freerunner! |
| 13:00.42 | MnemonicPunk | If I had the money I might. xD |
| 13:00.53 | swc|666 | gun / mask /escape route... |
| 13:01.06 | swc|666 | j/k |
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| 13:05.35 | aleskandro | hi to all |
| 13:05.44 | aleskandro | can I put openmoko in the htc G1? |
| 13:06.42 | swc|666 | msm7200a... |
| 13:06.54 | aleskandro | swc|666: what? |
| 13:10.15 | harnir | aleskandro: you can try |
| 13:10.19 | harnir | we will not stop you |
| 13:10.51 | aleskandro | harnir: asd, but I don't buy this phone if i can't put openmoko there |
| 13:11.02 | aleskandro | android don't have some apps as the terminal |
| 13:11.10 | harnir | aleskandro: ah, in that case wait and see if it's doable. |
| 13:11.24 | aleskandro | ok |
| 13:11.34 | harnir | aleskandro: I haven't seen Esc key on the keyboard. using vim will be PITA |
| 13:12.08 | MnemonicPunk | Sooner or later someone is gonna "jailbreak" it anyway, even if Google doesn't want them to. (And I have no idea if they do.) |
| 13:13.34 | harnir | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-September/031509.html |
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| 13:16.09 | hipitihop | waves to the residents |
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| 13:17.40 | aleskandro | harnir I don't understand |
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| 13:18.28 | hipitihop | anyone using the latest qtopia here ? |
| 13:19.09 | zash | aleskandro: using vim is hell without a esc key |
| 13:19.58 | aleskandro | ok and vim is necessary to install openmoko? |
| 13:20.05 | Tm_T | nope |
| 13:21.16 | hipitihop | can someone help me with alsa state file for handset for my qtopia pls. It is almost impossible to hear the calling party |
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| 13:23.45 | |FiLiP| | hipitihop: yes, I do use qtopia |
| 13:24.47 | |FiLiP| | hipitihop: what exactly are you looking for ? |
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| 13:26.52 | hipitihop | |FiLiP|, I just flashed latest qtopia but when I recive a call the other party can hardly be heard. However the other party hears me perfectly well and clear. I'm assuming I need a new alsa state file |
| 13:28.35 | |FiLiP| | I'm using the fault one. Sound is not perfect, but I can live with the current settings... |
| 13:28.47 | |FiLiP| | :s/fault/default |
| 13:29.00 | hipitihop | if alsa state files are not involved then is there some other way to increase the incoming volume ? |
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| 13:30.50 | |FiLiP| | settins/call options/call volume (in the gui) |
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| 13:37.44 | hipitihop | |FiLiP|, yes tried there, speaker volume was already on maximum and microphone volume was around half way. playing with mictophone seems to have not effect at least not on incoming voice volume as expected |
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| 13:39.08 | hipitihop | s/mictophone/microphone ;-) |
| 13:39.44 | MnemonicPunk | Did anyone here successfully run Openmoko on the HTC Magician? |
| 13:40.41 | MnemonicPunk | My current problem is that it won't find its SD card at all. =( |
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| 13:40.59 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: 03fso 07framework * rbea759fbbc6f 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: (log message trimmed) |
| 13:40.59 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: only sending aiding data when valid dictionaries are present |
| 13:40.59 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: On a cold boot (no aiding.dat file available) the dictionaries that would |
| 13:40.59 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: have been unpickled from it are set to empty dictionaries instead. The code |
| 13:41.01 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: then attempts to lookup entries within these dictionaries to feed aiding |
| 13:41.03 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: data to the chip, but the dictionaries are empty resulting in a key error. |
| 13:41.05 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: I have attached a patch which fixes this by only attempting to send each |
| 13:41.07 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd0d42bcc4f81 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: ogpsd: Don't ask the GPS to send AID-DATA if the aiding file doesn't even exist |
| 13:41.10 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r81bc6d0ed79c 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: |
| 13:41.12 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Only update ECEF position information if our accuracy is better than 1km |
| 13:41.14 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: Before we just updated this info regardless so it could happen that it got |
| 13:41.19 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: overwritten with invalid information after powering on the GPS but before |
| 13:41.20 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: we even send the AID-INI packet. |
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| 13:46.57 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r3bfacaf31fa1 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/alarm.py: otimed: fix typo |
| 13:49.51 | hipitihop | is there an alsa mixer I can run on qtopia ? |
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| 13:57.33 | bipak | hi |
| 13:57.36 | jones | hey |
| 13:57.56 | jones | could someone give me give me an update on the software stack |
| 13:58.14 | jones | was just about to order gta02 ,but seems to be out of stock |
| 13:58.48 | bipak | what you wanna know? |
| 13:59.01 | jones | if call quality and sms are working |
| 13:59.15 | SpeedEvil | jones: basically, if you're a 'ordinary' user - come back in 2009 at best. |
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| 13:59.27 | jones | Im a CS student |
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| 13:59.31 | flavior | mla |
| 13:59.37 | bipak | there is noise in gsm calls on the 1800/1900MHz network |
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| 13:59.50 | SpeedEvil | There are currently several issues. |
| 13:59.50 | bipak | SMS seems to work, at least for me |
| 13:59.55 | jones | im in the uk, different freq |
| 14:00.00 | bipak | you should read the mailing lists |
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| 14:00.08 | bipak | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html |
| 14:00.10 | SpeedEvil | Hardware - there is a buzz reported by some people that makes calls near impossible - it doesn't bother others. |
| 14:00.30 | jones | so thats a hardware 'feature' |
| 14:00.51 | bipak | jones: if you have 800/900MHz, than you speaking partner wont here any buzz |
| 14:00.58 | bipak | hear |
| 14:00.59 | jones | thats good then |
| 14:01.11 | jones | i'll email the uk supplier see when they are getting stock |
| 14:01.11 | bipak | but there is an echo issue |
| 14:01.17 | bipak | that can be fixed by software |
| 14:01.23 | jones | thats fine then |
| 14:01.25 | SpeedEvil | Software - there are about 5 software stacks in vairous levels of support and completeness, none of them are stable in the sense that each will have the functions that worked last weeks working always. |
| 14:01.25 | SpeedEvil | bipolar: Oh - hadn't heard that befeore. I should probably mail the MLs. |
| 14:01.25 | SpeedEvil | s/mail/read/ |
| 14:01.40 | SpeedEvil | s/bipolar/bipak |
| 14:01.47 | bipak | SpeedEvil: i have hit from the ML |
| 14:01.58 | bipak | hit = it |
| 14:02.36 | SpeedEvil | bipolar: is there any practical rework other than removign the phone socket? |
| 14:02.40 | jones | why so many different stacks? |
| 14:02.45 | bipak | SpeedEvil: my name is bipak :p |
| 14:02.51 | SpeedEvil | jones: open-source |
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| 14:03.06 | jones | figured as much |
| 14:03.13 | SpeedEvil | jones: and arguably poor managment by OM. |
| 14:03.14 | bipak | SpeedEvil: yes, solder a bead under pin 4 of the socket |
| 14:03.26 | bipak | but thats nearly impossible without the right equipment |
| 14:03.37 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: i think the largest problem is that many people have no idea on how they could help in the development |
| 14:03.44 | SpeedEvil | bipolar: that requires as I understand it that won't fit into the case. |
| 14:04.01 | bipak | aah right.. i remember |
| 14:04.04 | SpeedEvil | lindi-: exactly. The big problem has been a big list of stuff they are not doing. |
| 14:04.11 | SpeedEvil | Combined with a habit of dropping code from the sky. |
| 14:04.21 | jones | is it a case of people just working on the easy stuff? |
| 14:05.12 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 14:05.34 | SpeedEvil | There is no indication (historically at least) that something is being worked on internally. |
| 14:05.38 | hipitihop | anyone have qtopia media player work with mp3's ? |
| 14:06.05 | SpeedEvil | So people are reluctant to start stuff that might be obsolted without a clear list of stuff that isn't being done. |
| 14:06.33 | bipak | SpeedEvil: do you know a tool for export/importing contacts from the SIM? |
| 14:06.38 | jones | thats an odd problem |
| 14:06.41 | SpeedEvil | cbrake: no, sorry |
| 14:06.46 | SpeedEvil | pak: |
| 14:06.51 | bipak | *g* |
| 14:07.00 | bipak | you tab completion is bad *g* |
| 14:07.02 | bipak | your |
| 14:07.13 | SpeedEvil | It's primarily bad as I don't press tab. |
| 14:07.19 | bipak | hehe |
| 14:08.05 | [df] | bipak: there was a python script on the wiki, haven't tried it though |
| 14:08.20 | bipak | ah cool |
| 14:09.18 | bipak | https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Sim_Contacts |
| 14:09.34 | bipak | huh? why https |
| 14:09.51 | jones | why not |
| 14:09.52 | SpeedEvil | It's a secret! |
| 14:10.22 | bipak | jones: not really neccessary, as i'm not logged in |
| 14:11.50 | jones | im not sure whether just to be impatenit and order from one of the euro distribuyters |
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| 14:12.39 | bipak | jones: i got mine from pulster.de in germany |
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| 14:13.13 | Daramarak | jones: The FRs are always getting out of stock |
| 14:13.54 | jones | they were in stock the other day, but i didnt have my student loan then |
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| 14:13.59 | Daramarak | jones: I ordered mine from pulster in early august, was supposed to arrive at 15 sept, but I have to wait until 20th of october |
| 14:14.13 | bipak | Daramarak: uuh :( |
| 14:14.21 | swc|666 | jones: who did u order from? |
| 14:14.30 | bipak | so i had alot of luck.. |
| 14:14.33 | jones | i havent yet |
| 14:14.38 | swc|666 | where are u |
| 14:14.49 | jones | i was told 23rd sep they were available |
| 14:14.50 | jones | UK |
| 14:14.56 | evolux | which kernel can I uso for 2008.09 that includes this sd-card-clock patch? |
| 14:15.01 | evolux | use, of course |
| 14:15.06 | jones | truebox |
| 14:15.59 | swc|666 | i know for fact the cnadian company has the 900mhz.. but shipping / tax would be a pita |
| 14:16.08 | swc|666 | canadian* |
| 14:16.25 | jones | yeah, theres a german company that will do it but the prices are absurd |
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| 14:17.45 | happosade | hello |
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| 14:22.03 | tomer | anybody know how do i turn down the speaker volume? |
| 14:22.22 | Daramarak | Anyone got any experience with the motion sensors? I read somewhere in the Wiki that they were no good. |
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| 14:22.54 | happosade | how to use that flashing application |
| 14:23.25 | tomer | Daramarak: DR has motion sensors...? |
| 14:23.31 | tomer | FR* |
| 14:23.38 | jones | gyrometers |
| 14:24.32 | Daramarak | Accelerometers |
| 14:25.05 | happosade | anyone want to help newbie whit msg... really dont want to flood channel. |
| 14:25.07 | jones | gyrometer:for the measuring of pelvic thrusts |
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| 14:28.34 | jones | dont really want to have to wait longer for an openphone |
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| 14:30.02 | Daramarak | jones: Everyday several bugs are removed. It might be worth it to wait. |
| 14:30.17 | jones | yeah |
| 14:30.36 | jones | it seems like a good time to get into the development |
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| 14:30.38 | SpeedEvil | Daramarak: and several more introduced :) |
| 14:32.18 | Daramarak | SpeedEvil: It is like software development in general, the most annoying and critical bugs are removed, and more and more small devious bugs are introduced. |
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| 14:32.58 | tomer | Daramarak: do you know how to adjust the volume level of the speaker while on call? |
| 14:33.02 | tomer | is it possible? |
| 14:33.34 | swc|666 | gl |
| 14:33.57 | Daramarak | Not without entering the term methinks |
| 14:34.41 | tomer | i tried alsamixer, but it keeps forgetting my settings after a call, even though i alsactl store |
| 14:35.24 | jones | okay, im gonna contact a distributer |
| 14:35.28 | jones | thanks folks |
| 14:35.30 | jaj | "hold on a sec, I have to tweak my mixer in the terminal" ;) |
| 14:35.43 | Daramarak | hehe |
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| 14:37.11 | bipak | tomer: you need to change /usr/share/openenmoko/scenerios/gsmhandset.state for that |
| 14:37.16 | LqR | Since the alarm isn't working on the Om2008.9 yet, is there any way to add at-jobs that will wake the freerunner from suspend? I'm thinking about using a simple cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio as an alarm clock |
| 14:37.41 | bipak | tomer: the phone app does allways alsactre restore on every call |
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| 14:38.42 | tomer | bipak: how do i adjust the volume then...? |
| 14:38.59 | tomer | when i talk, the entire room listen to my calls :D |
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| 14:39.05 | LqR | Hahaha |
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| 14:39.22 | bipak | [16:38:11] <bipak> tomer: you need to change /usr/share/openenmoko/scenerios/gsmhandset.state for that |
| 14:39.44 | tomer | bipak: thanks, looking into it |
| 14:40.17 | bipak | alternatvely you could adjust the value while you are calling with alsamixer and do an "alsactl store ..... gsmhandset.state" |
| 14:40.28 | bipak | but you need to do that WHILE you are calling |
| 14:40.51 | tomer | heh! |
| 14:40.52 | bipak | because after the call the phone app restores the mixer settings from /etc/asound.state |
| 14:41.04 | jaj | tomer: I had that, too :) and I nearly went deaf |
| 14:42.04 | tomer | jaj: the phone literally vibrates in my hand! |
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| 14:46.12 | tomer | bipak: do you know which of the controls i should change? |
| 14:47.07 | bipak | what do you have on control 5? |
| 14:47.36 | tomer | mono playback volume |
| 14:47.43 | bipak | the value ; ) |
| 14:47.45 | tomer | value 103 |
| 14:48.00 | bipak | hum ok, me too |
| 14:48.41 | tomer | i changed it to 50 |
| 14:48.48 | tomer | is calling himself |
| 14:48.59 | bipak | :) |
| 14:49.05 | bipak | that should be the right one |
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| 14:49.53 | tomer | didnt work... |
| 14:50.00 | bipak | the openmoko people should put some money into the freerunner box, for the sound testings.. *g* |
| 14:50.09 | tomer | should i do anything else beside saving the file? |
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| 14:50.14 | bipak | tomer: nope |
| 14:50.17 | bipak | hmm |
| 14:50.54 | bipak | i'll test, wait |
| 14:51.13 | tomer | cool, thanks |
| 14:51.43 | bipak | my dialer doesn't open anymore... shouldn't have installed libgsmd :\ |
| 14:52.04 | tomer | heh |
| 14:52.23 | happosade | how to install neotool? |
| 14:54.39 | bipak | tomer: have to reboot the phone.. back in 1h :p |
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| 14:55.01 | tomer | bipak: lol! exactly! |
| 14:55.14 | tomer | just wanted to ask if your FR is as slow as mine |
| 14:55.20 | bipak | hehe |
| 14:55.21 | bipak | yes |
| 14:55.41 | tomer | do you use it as your main phone? |
| 14:55.54 | tomer | or just as a gadget? :D |
| 14:56.04 | bipak | as main phone.. but i dont phone that often |
| 14:56.06 | bipak | ;) |
| 14:56.16 | bipak | so, its more a great toy |
| 14:57.00 | bipak | do you? |
| 14:57.09 | tomer | i just got it today... |
| 14:57.16 | bipak | ah :) |
| 14:57.19 | happosade | hey, how to install Neotool to Ubuntu? |
| 14:57.25 | tomer | but by the looks of it - i wont be using it as a phone, i think |
| 14:57.27 | bipak | dunno |
| 14:57.37 | tomer | happosade: donno what neotool is |
| 14:57.43 | LqR | have been using his Freerunner as main phone for about a week now and hasn't made a single phone call yet |
| 14:57.53 | bipak | LqR: :D |
| 14:57.58 | bipak | the same as me hehe |
| 14:58.34 | LqR | Actially I'm just using it as a watch (with my old cellphone being my alarm clock since the freerunner can't do that yet) |
| 14:59.07 | bipak | tomer: its up! |
| 14:59.29 | jaj | I need to write an app to synchronize my contacts on the phone with abook |
| 14:59.41 | tomer | LqR: nice to see other people as crazy as i am - gonna tell my wife |
| 14:59.55 | tomer | bipak: so you have volume control too? |
| 14:59.56 | LqR | Haha |
| 15:00.11 | bipak | tomer: wait.. need to bring up the wlan |
| 15:01.19 | tomer | bipak: i can't bring up my wlan from the GUI thingy - i have to bring it up on console or ssh, since i cant enter the password with that weird keyboard |
| 15:01.37 | bipak | tomer: have it |
| 15:01.45 | bipak | tomer: yes me too |
| 15:01.55 | bipak | you can change the keyboard |
| 15:02.12 | bipak | search for keyboard discussion in the wiki |
| 15:02.21 | LqR | hasn't gotten wifi to run yet either. Of course, I have actually never succeeded in getting wifi to work on ANY device. |
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| 15:02.25 | tomer | i installed another keyboard, but it dont come up at the wizard |
| 15:02.42 | bipak | tomer: its control 4 |
| 15:02.59 | LqR | tomer: I think you need to disable the qtopia keyboard first |
| 15:03.18 | tomer | LqR: did that |
| 15:03.24 | LqR | Ah, then I have no idea. |
| 15:03.25 | tomer | bipak: changing now |
| 15:04.22 | tomer | is calling himself... again |
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| 15:04.33 | LqR | Haha, I've done that a cople of times too |
| 15:04.37 | bipak | :) |
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| 15:04.51 | bipak | i always call the nice voice that tells me my prepaid status |
| 15:05.10 | tomer | well, good news and bad news |
| 15:05.23 | tomer | good news - it worked! |
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| 15:05.34 | tomer | bad news - it worked! i have no sound at all |
| 15:05.38 | bipak | hrhr |
| 15:05.48 | bipak | 50 might be to low |
| 15:06.00 | tomer | yeah, i'll try 51 |
| 15:06.01 | tomer | ;) |
| 15:06.03 | bipak | call youself, go into alsamixer, go to the "Speaker" device |
| 15:06.06 | LqR | Hm. I wonder, will the phone suspend when I'm on the phone also? That wouldn't be very good. |
| 15:06.06 | bipak | adjust it |
| 15:06.07 | tomer | i'll try 90 |
| 15:06.15 | bipak | save the number |
| 15:06.21 | bipak | and put it into the file |
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| 15:06.34 | bipak | alsamixer goes from 0-100% percent |
| 15:06.38 | bipak | so you have to calculate a bit ;) |
| 15:06.54 | bipak | cause in the file you can go up to 127 |
| 15:08.01 | tomer | holy shit |
| 15:08.02 | tomer | it worked |
| 15:08.11 | bipak | grats |
| 15:08.11 | bipak | ;) |
| 15:08.12 | tomer | thanks man |
| 15:08.38 | tomer | though its too low now... going to play with it for a while |
| 15:08.44 | tomer | good stuff |
| 15:08.52 | bipak | :) |
| 15:09.32 | tomer | bipak: how did you know its control 4? |
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| 15:10.56 | bipak | tried several controls in alsamixer... its name was speaker... |
| 15:10.57 | bipak | :) |
| 15:11.18 | bipak | then searched for "speaker" |
| 15:11.28 | bipak | the value was 127.. thats 100% as alsamixer showed it |
| 15:12.00 | tomer | so what is "mono playback volume"? |
| 15:12.10 | bipak | dunno :) |
| 15:12.14 | SpeedEvil | Well... |
| 15:12.31 | SpeedEvil | Many of the mixer controls are confusingly named, as it's not really a mixer. |
| 15:12.40 | bipak | yes, that sucks :( |
| 15:12.43 | bipak | toooo many control |
| 15:12.44 | bipak | s |
| 15:13.06 | tomer | when you think about it, it's really funny... the trouble you have to go for adjusting the volume... |
| 15:13.08 | SpeedEvil | It's a patch-board too |
| 15:13.26 | bipak | tomer: hrhr, yes. don't tell that your friends ;) |
| 15:14.24 | tomer | bipak: they already laughing... :| |
| 15:14.33 | bipak | :( |
| 15:15.06 | tomer | bipak: after i'll get my SMS away - that will show them! |
| 15:15.08 | tomer | ;) |
| 15:15.14 | bipak | tell them that you can do all what you want with the neo. then they stop laughing |
| 15:15.17 | bipak | :> |
| 15:15.37 | tomer | still waits for the SMS he sent 30 minutes ago - for himself, again |
| 15:15.38 | bipak | you can fix bugs yourself |
| 15:15.46 | LqR | Ah! An improvement, now the Freerunner wakes up when it's supposed to sound the alarm (though it doesn't make any sound) |
| 15:15.48 | bipak | and dont need to wait until nokia does it |
| 15:16.04 | bipak | tomer: oh. thats long |
| 15:16.14 | bipak | LqR: lol |
| 15:16.14 | bipak | :D |
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| 15:19.04 | LqR | Ehrr...now the alarm woke up, three minutes late and when I was writing a test SMS. |
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| 15:20.48 | LqR | And now the freerunner seems to have stuck in suspend mode and refuses to react to anything. |
| 15:21.09 | Shlee | ljp: Welcome to the 2008 series ;) |
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| 15:21.23 | LqR | Haha |
| 15:21.25 | Shlee | Qtopia are the only release to handle suspension |
| 15:21.42 | MnemonicPunk | Can someone explain to me how to transform an ext2 partition into an image I can boot from? |
| 15:22.04 | MnemonicPunk | Or rather: Boot into. |
| 15:25.43 | bipak | how can i send AT commands on 2008? |
| 15:25.54 | bipak | installing gsmd breaks qpe :( |
| 15:26.46 | happosade | please help me to flash my moko |
| 15:27.14 | happosade | neotool or dfu-util dont work |
| 15:27.15 | bipak | look at the wiki |
| 15:27.19 | bipak | why not? |
| 15:27.29 | happosade | wont run |
| 15:27.47 | wurp2|gone | happosade: What OS are you on? |
| 15:28.14 | happosade | Kubuntu |
| 15:28.30 | wurp2|working | x86? |
| 15:28.53 | wurp2|working | What does dfu-util do when you try to run it? |
| 15:29.50 | happosade | x86 |
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| 15:31.31 | wurp2|working | I'm sorry, but if it's going to be 2 minutes between responses, then I probably won't be able to help you |
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| 15:34.33 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all, looks like i messed up the routing table on the freerunner trying to get wifi working, can anyone tell me how do i start from scratch? |
| 15:34.59 | viq | route flush should clear it - or a reboot |
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| 15:37.16 | Sup3rkiddo | viq, route flush gives me the Usage: example, i think usb0 is conflicting with eth0. so, in theory deleting the usb0 route should work right? |
| 15:38.37 | viq | Sorry, my brain already left for home, ask me when I've caught up with it ;) |
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| 15:55.13 | bipak | what was the name of the serial tool that someone from the moko people wrote? |
| 15:55.57 | jrei | hi, i have the fdom image running on my freerunner and did an opkg update/upgrade and my qpe is dieing. Anyone else with this problem? Or maybe a solution? |
| 15:58.44 | jlmoko |  bipak: mikeyterm it is the wiki on OpenmokoFramework/mickeyterm |
| 15:59.37 | wurp2|working | bipak: For talking to the neo uboot console over usb? |
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| 16:05.42 | bipak | jlmoko: that was it. thanks :) |
| 16:05.53 | bipak | wurp2|working: no, i walt to talk to the gsm chip |
| 16:05.55 | bipak | want |
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| 16:06.19 | jrei | is there a gnumeric or other spreadsheet available? |
| 16:07.18 | fredrin | Wow the world is still standing, i guess it's just another day :) |
| 16:07.32 | wurp2|working | bipak: On what OS? |
| 16:07.51 | wurp2|working | s/OS/distro/ |
| 16:08.28 | bipak | on 2008.9.. but obviously it wont work |
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| 16:11.36 | Sup3rkiddo | man, getting wifi to work without DHCP is hard.. |
| 16:11.49 | Sup3rkiddo | should i delete usb0 route if i am doing it manually |
| 16:11.50 | Sup3rkiddo | ? |
| 16:14.08 | max_posedon | no |
| 16:14.46 | max_posedon | You just need configure default gw. |
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| 16:18.20 | bipak | hmpf. there must be a possibility to send AT commands to the GSM chip with OM 2008.9... |
| 16:18.23 | bipak | any idea? |
| 16:20.17 | Sup3rkiddo | max_posedon, route add default gw <whatever? |
| 16:20.58 | froksen | Anyone uses their Freerunner as a everyday phone? |
| 16:21.08 | froksen | Is it stable enough for that? |
| 16:21.08 | max_posedon | Sup3rkiddo, hm, yes smth like this. route del default gw (if you have already - default gw should be *one*) |
| 16:21.29 | max_posedon | Sup3rkiddo, then route add default gw <your-wifi-access-point> |
| 16:21.37 | max_posedon | fredrin, I'am, qtopia is stable. |
| 16:21.54 | max_posedon | except few, not very important bugs. |
| 16:22.58 | froksen | max_posedon, Well, I´m from denmark, and have read on the wiki that the Qtopia is not that good at any other languages than English and German...? |
| 16:23.34 | froksen | anyway, how is the text-imput metod in Qtopia? Is it possible to use it without the stylus? |
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| 16:24.35 | max_posedon | 1. Yes, qtopia haven't support any characters except latin, for example I can't type and even read cyrillic. |
| 16:25.10 | max_posedon | 2. Yes it is possible, just like on classic phone, or on touchscreen if your fingers is small enouph. |
| 16:26.03 | froksen | lol.. yeah they have to be quite small :-S |
| 16:27.33 | max_posedon | )), yes, your are right, I'm dreaming that sometimes FR will have qwerty keybord resized to hole screen. |
| 16:27.59 | max_posedon | e.g. rotated on 90degres, and become much more langer, it will be nice input method. |
| 16:30.15 | haakeyar | max_posedon: Well, isn't that possible already? Use xrandr to change to landscape mode, and raster's keyboard will expand automatically. It doesn't fill the entire screen on the y axis, but that could be changed with a new .kbd file. |
| 16:32.17 | max_posedon | hm, I should try. (qtopia hasn't xrandr - I'll need to swith to Om). haakeyar the next problem is hide/show keyboard in this way. But anyway thanks for idear. |
| 16:32.31 | jaj | however it will be quite impossible to write SMS without the stylus |
| 16:32.32 | fredrin | max_posedon: qtopia is nice, but boring :) |
| 16:32.53 | max_posedon | jaj, why? |
| 16:32.54 | fredrin | max_posedon: and no Duke Nukem 3D |
| 16:33.02 | max_posedon | ))... |
| 16:33.21 | jaj | max_posedon: because the keyboard is too small |
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| 16:34.31 | max_posedon | jaj, just imaginate. Rotating, and making keyboar widget fullscreened. I think keyboard will become big enough. |
| 16:34.54 | jaj | max_posedon: yes that would be nice |
| 16:35.21 | jaj | I nearly bought a bluetooth frogpad to use with the neo :) but it's too expensive |
| 16:35.56 | jaj | but if you make the thing fullscreen then you don't see what you type anymore |
| 16:36.42 | johnsu01 | is trying to get the frogpad to pair as we speak :) |
| 16:36.59 | max_posedon | ok, fullscreened with small edit line), I didn't know, I should think and test is today/tomorrow. But I think it can become very usefull. |
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| 16:38.44 | haakeyar | max_posedon and jaj: The thing is that a qwerty keyboard has different dimensions than the screen, so it won't fill the whole screen on the y axis even in landscape. You could change it by creating a .kbd file, but why make the buttons much higher than they are wide? |
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| 16:39.06 | haakeyar | that said, keyboard in landscape mode is much more usable than in portrait mode |
| 16:39.27 | jaj | I have to get a bigger SD card to hack on xmonad for the Neo. the keyboard should become visible/hidden when you press AUX and the rest of the time zhone will be full screen on the first desktop and you can run other stuff on the other desktops |
| 16:39.57 | jaj | perhaps use idesk to have shortcuts for the most common applications |
| 16:41.24 | jaj | how is that keyboard problem solved on the iphone? their screen isn't that bigger, is it? |
| 16:42.08 | max_posedon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_ZToHMUb7k |
| 16:42.18 | max_posedon | (about iphone keyboard in landscape) |
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| 16:46.56 | haakeyar | ieatlint: ping? I see on the chat logs you have released the snake source, but I currently get a 404 error on the url. |
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| 16:49.39 | ieatlint | what you're looking at is old then |
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| 16:53.25 | haakeyar | ieatlint: Ok :), so where can I get the source? |
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| 16:54.11 | ieatlint | http://lint.devjavu.com/browser/snake |
| 16:55.10 | ieatlint | map support should be added today... as long as i don't get too lazy |
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| 16:56.02 | ieatlint | will consist of just making an image (eg, png) with a specific resolution and putting it into a certain folder |
| 16:56.33 | paul0 | hi there, i'm planning to buy a neo freerunner, how reliable it is now? |
| 16:56.58 | SpeedEvil | The hardware is pretty much OK. |
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| 16:57.03 | SpeedEvil | The software - not. |
| 16:57.06 | paul0 | i see |
| 16:57.10 | paul0 | one moment, tel |
| 16:57.56 | SpeedEvil | Wait till maybe next year at the earliest for an acutal usable and reliable phone. At the moment, it's pretty much OK as a small linux box - but the phone functionality is a bit dodgy. |
| 16:58.33 | paul0 | too bad, i would like to buy an opensource smart phone |
| 16:58.48 | paul0 | so, i need to wait until next year :) |
| 16:58.49 | viq | It's too smart for it's own good ;) |
| 16:58.52 | paul0 | at least, it will come |
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| 16:59.56 | paul0 | i'm looking for a smart phone, to access web, emails and some ssh sessions, which should i buy? (oh, and receive phone calls) |
| 17:00.10 | paul0 | apple iphone seems ok |
| 17:00.50 | ieatlint | take this silence to mean everyone is trying to be polite |
| 17:01.29 | ezekiel-v3 | polite about what? |
| 17:01.48 | paul0 | huh, ok |
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| 17:01.54 | ezekiel-v3 | about "apple iphone"? |
| 17:02.10 | unknown_lamer | paul0: if you buy an iPhone you will transform into a hipster |
| 17:02.16 | ezekiel-v3 | hahah, instantly |
| 17:02.21 | paul0 | hipster? |
| 17:02.25 | MnemonicPunk | Yes. |
| 17:02.46 | MnemonicPunk | You'll be all like "Well, I can't play games with that thing but I'm more into making music anyway!" |
| 17:02.46 | |FiLiP| | well, I must say that I'm pretty happy with my FR |
| 17:02.57 | ezekiel-v3 | www.hipsterhandbook.com |
| 17:03.02 | unknown_lamer | those folks who listen to "post-noise industrial punk scream neofolk vomit" |
| 17:03.12 | paul0 | lol |
| 17:03.13 | ieatlint | i don't see why anyone here would be upset with a phone that makes you pay $100 to develop for in a shutdown, crippled environment |
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| 17:03.23 | unknown_lamer | while wearing too tight pants and spending hundreds of dollars on their clothes to look poor |
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| 17:04.12 | unknown_lamer | but then for some reason spending thousands of dollars on apple hardware that ... everyone knows is expensive which one would think would destroy their 'cred' but somehow it does not |
| 17:04.20 | haakeyar | ieatlint: Hm... http://svn.devjavu.com/lint requires authenticaction. Isn't it possible to do an anonymous svn checkout? |
| 17:04.37 | ieatlint | it does? |
| 17:04.46 | paul0 | i didn't know that subculture, funny, seems to be designer's stuff |
| 17:05.00 | ieatlint | no it doesn't, i'm not even logged into that site right now |
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| 17:05.23 | paul0 | unknown_lamer, here we call them "emo" |
| 17:05.33 | haakeyar | ieatlint: Well, it does here. |
| 17:06.30 | ieatlint | haakeyar, well, i can load the website and checkout the svn repository, all without ever being prompted for a username or password |
| 17:07.31 | haakeyar | ieatlint: Strange. And you use the url http://svn.devjavu.com/lint? |
| 17:07.55 | MnemonicPunk | I second that, it asks for a login. |
| 17:08.03 | unknown_lamer | paul0: emo is somewhat different -- hipsters don't cry all the time |
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| 17:08.35 | MnemonicPunk | Yeh. But if there were black iPods with razorsharp edges they'd be trendy among emos as well. *g* |
| 17:08.38 | ieatlint | oh, i see what you're doing |
| 17:08.46 | ieatlint | you're try to view the actual svn repository |
| 17:08.48 | jaj | an they don't kiss all the time I think |
| 17:09.11 | ieatlint | you can use svn to checkout that page, but to browse it in web browser, you're loading the wrong page |
| 17:09.15 | jaj | MnemonicPunk: yes with a fluffy handcoff background |
| 17:09.41 | jaj | handc*u*ff |
| 17:09.54 | haakeyar | ieatlint: I can svn checkout directly from the trac code browser? Ah, nice. I had no idea. :) |
| 17:09.55 | ieatlint | haakeyar, i repeat my previous link: http://lint.devjavu.com/browser/snake |
| 17:11.00 | ieatlint | oh, it does require auth for svn accesss :) |
| 17:11.04 | ieatlint | hehe |
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| 17:11.30 | unknown_lamer | paul0: if you get a freerunner then you are instantly actually cool instead of trying to be cool :-) |
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| 17:12.12 | ieatlint | haakeyar, fixed :) |
| 17:12.14 | paul0 | unknown_lamer, haha, you're right. But i'm planning to buy a smart phone to work |
| 17:12.54 | paul0 | unknown_lamer, afaik, openmoko software isn't too stable yet |
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| 17:13.11 | haakeyar | ieatlint: Ok, thanks :) |
| 17:13.32 | unknown_lamer | paul0: aye there seem to be a few issues left with the gsm modem and suspend/resume (andy says mostly due to issues wit hthe glamo) |
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| 17:13.58 | unknown_lamer | my one concern with the hardware is the apparant rf leakage into the audio chip and ... potentially gps and wifi :-\ |
| 17:14.23 | paul0 | i see |
| 17:14.32 | unknown_lamer | curse not being able to drop $400 for a gta02 and then another for a gta03 a year later... |
| 17:14.43 | unknown_lamer | my nokia 7610 ... who knows when it'll die |
| 17:15.11 | unknown_lamer | my friend emacsen is amusing "oh sometimes there is an echo in the call blah blah it can't work as a phone" ... while he is talking to me using his freerunnder :-X |
| 17:15.35 | unknown_lamer | meanwhile when i try to type "raleigh" in t9 my current phone reboots |
| 17:15.45 | unknown_lamer | mmm nokia stability |
| 17:15.51 | paul0 | lol |
| 17:16.38 | paul0 | also, i've read that freerunner doesn't have 3G support, because it uses too much battery |
| 17:16.53 | unknown_lamer | "kristen" is another one of the trigger words which was quite tragic when I got the number of a girl... |
| 17:16.58 | MnemonicPunk | I made my Magician reboot simply by opening the system control panel. |
| 17:17.18 | unknown_lamer | the lack of 3G is probably because the actual hardware is an evolution of a fairly old design |
| 17:17.20 | MnemonicPunk | So whatever instability you manage to create, M$ 1-ups you. |
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| 17:17.57 | unknown_lamer | and it wasn't until a little while ago that openmoko inc had found a 3g chipset with documentation |
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| 17:18.34 | jaj | does that mean that the next version will have 3g support? |
| 17:19.00 | baze | probably the one after that |
| 17:19.04 | unknown_lamer | not the next revision but potentially the one after |
| 17:19.08 | baze | gta04 |
| 17:19.16 | jaj | in 2020? :) |
| 17:19.21 | unknown_lamer | which ... will maybe be out just as t-mo us rolls out 3G and I actually care |
| 17:19.27 | baze | more 2021 |
| 17:19.41 | FxChiP | actually |
| 17:19.46 | FxChiP | the problem with T-Mobile's upcoming 3G |
| 17:19.49 | paul0 | when 4G shows up, openmoko will support 3G ;) |
| 17:19.52 | FxChiP | is that they're going to use non-standard frequencies |
| 17:20.49 | unknown_lamer | doesn't ATT use nonstandard frequencies as well? |
| 17:21.16 | FxChiP | not that I know of... |
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| 17:21.43 | ieatlint | unknown_lamer is correct |
| 17:22.01 | ieatlint | the world uses 2100, att uses 1700, and tmo (US) uses a hybrid |
| 17:22.13 | unknown_lamer | I think the european 3G frequencies were in use here for analog something |
| 17:22.27 | FxChiP | ahh |
| 17:22.29 | ieatlint | err, att uses 1900 |
| 17:22.36 | unknown_lamer | returning a chip for different frequencies shouldn't be too hard? |
| 17:22.42 | ieatlint | tmo is 1700/2100 (which isn't compatible with just 2100) |
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| 17:23.03 | unknown_lamer | hmm aren't there issues with using 1900 for 3G (like ... existing GSM?) |
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| 17:23.29 | ieatlint | unknown_lamer, well, there are a lot of complaints from att customers about crappy coverage |
| 17:23.52 | ieatlint | tmo's 3g has only kinda launched, so the complaints are yet to appear |
| 17:24.45 | unknown_lamer | amusingly enough my friend who uses ATT 3G says they have amazing coverage in NC |
| 17:24.51 | ieatlint | anyway, att piggybacked 3g onto their gsm bands |
| 17:24.55 | unknown_lamer | which is just ... wtf nc of all places |
| 17:25.12 | ieatlint | tmo went out and bought new bands from the gov -- and then waited 3 years while the gov slowly stopped using them |
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| 17:26.04 | unknown_lamer | hmm that reminds me I keep forgetting to check if UMA is implementable in software only |
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| 17:26.33 | unknown_lamer | I know the gsm voice codecs are non-free but the sourcce is on of the 3gpp site... and ffmpeg already deals with them (granted you can't distribute your built binary but whatever) |
| 17:26.34 | ieatlint | unknown_lamer, well, i have a friend who has a nokia n95-3 and said coverage was on the lower end of "decent" .. then he got an iphone 3g... he says he can only use 3g in very specific spots, and has to turn it off most of the time |
| 17:26.43 | ieatlint | so depends on the phone, hehe |
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| 17:28.17 | FxChiP | wait wait wiat |
| 17:28.17 | fredrin | when i start the Neo with only the powerbutton, with bootloader is in use then? NOR or NAND? |
| 17:28.18 | FxChiP | wait* |
| 17:28.22 | FxChiP | GSM voice codecs are not free? |
| 17:28.42 | ieatlint | gsm != uma != umts (3g) |
| 17:29.12 | unknown_lamer | ieatlint: I was under the impression that UMA used the gsm codecs for audio |
| 17:29.40 | unknown_lamer | FxChiP: I think there may still be patents ... but at least the reference implementations from 3gpp are available as source that you cannot redistribute binaries of |
| 17:29.56 | ieatlint | i am quite unclear on that point |
| 17:30.07 | ieatlint | i know only the principles and concepts around uma, and not its implementation |
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| 17:30.19 | lindi- | unknown_lamer: consider getting a nick :P |
| 17:30.50 | unknown_lamer | hmm? |
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| 17:31.22 | ieatlint | grmbl |
| 17:31.39 | ieatlint | i need to turn off that close irc channel with ctrl+w key combo |
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| 17:32.56 | ieatlint | viq, it's generally considered impolite to send people unsolicited ctcp requests |
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| 17:36.17 | aliases123 | unknown_lamer: as in not unknown_lamer but something more fitting. |
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| 17:36.33 | ieatlint | is "known_lamer" taken? |
| 17:36.39 | unknown_lamer | I've had the same nick for ten years :-) |
| 17:37.25 | summatusmentis | I had "newf_unknown" for like 2 years in elementary school on aim :) |
| 17:37.46 | unknown_lamer | oh my aim didn't exist when I was in elementary school |
| 17:37.57 | MnemonicPunk | unknown_lamer: Isn't that a pretty ironic name then? |
| 17:38.09 | unknown_lamer | MnemonicPunk: it wasn't at the time |
| 17:38.11 | summatusmentis | is only 20 |
| 17:38.19 | MnemonicPunk | unknown_lamer: I mean, how can you be unknown if you had the same name for 10 years? ;) |
| 17:38.29 | unknown_lamer | >:O |
| 17:39.30 | mmontour | fredrin: if you don't hold the Aux button then the phone will use the NAND bootloader |
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| 17:42.21 | fredrin | mmontour: so power and then aux only gets me to NAND menu and only power button boot right from NAND without the menu? right? |
| 17:42.35 | mmontour | right |
| 17:42.39 | fredrin | :) |
| 17:42.54 | fredrin | is on Debian now :) Feels good |
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| 17:43.15 | unknown_lamer | poor OE folks don't get lisp anymore because I can just hack on debian armel |
| 17:43.44 | unknown_lamer | except I need to setup a virtual qemu buildd to test the patches i was sent to fix libffi ... months ago and then promptly forgot about :-\ |
| 17:44.00 | fredrin | I think the Debian route is the way to go |
| 17:44.07 | unknown_lamer | yeah OE is kind of crap |
| 17:44.30 | fredrin | much easier to develop |
| 17:44.32 | unknown_lamer | I fail to see why it even exists when they could have just built distro building tools on top of Debian |
| 17:44.52 | fredrin | The neo is more a computer with a gsm modem, than a gsm modem with a computer :) |
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| 17:45.46 | fredrin | just like the iPhone. It's a computer or a PMP device :) |
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| 17:47.15 | fredrin | when my dad, that is almost 60 years old and never liked cellphones, suddenly has become a iPhone flasher and is laying on the couch surfing and using it more like a computer, that's a hint :) |
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| 17:48.52 | unknown_lamer | I just want to see what happens with the headset buzzing and rf leakage |
| 17:49.04 | lesouvage | O just flash 2008.9 I have booted and now the device asks for a pin code for the sim card. But a keboard with only alphanumeric keys shows up. Whatt am I suppose to do now? |
| 17:49.07 | sicu | i just bought a 1TB ext hd which was preformated as fat32 ... should i just leave it as is, or reformat it to another filesys? |
| 17:49.10 | unknown_lamer | and then ... I can get one as I can't afford to get an unfixable $400 phone... |
| 17:49.16 | unknown_lamer | but then ... finally a replacement for a long dead neuros |
| 17:49.53 | MnemonicPunk | I got teh Openmoko on teh HTC Magician! (Not really that special but after more than a day of experimenting just to get it booting, I'm happy it does. <3) |
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| 17:50.22 | dolf1074 | lesouvage: Read the topic of the chat channel you're on. It's mostly handy. (There stands: Slide finger up on the keyboard) |
| 17:51.56 | lesouvage | dolf1074: sorry didn't notice, i'll try it in a minute. |
| 17:53.18 | lesouvage | I had an error message with a text something like: "this is really bad, enlightment error". Is a reboot enugh or should I reflash the whole system? |
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| 18:01.06 | lesouvage | I made my first phonecall. |
| 18:01.21 | bumbl_ | lesouvage: congratulations |
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| 18:03.30 | bumbl_ | 700 billions ... wow |
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| 18:07.52 | sicu | bumbl_: 700 billions what..? |
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| 18:14.03 | lesouvage | bumbl: thanks, after the high expectations i start all over again from start. Making a phone call is a good start. Next step is to get usb networking running so I can make the adjustment needed for proper operation. Then the package manager. |
| 18:14.19 | bumbl_ | yeah |
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| 18:15.11 | bumbl_ | lesouvage: my friends claim i am crazy for spending 300⬠on a phone which can't even make and receive phone calls stable |
| 18:15.47 | lesouvage | I feel kind of stupid. I'm not a guru type but not a novice either so I hoped to make more progress in the time I spend. |
| 18:15.48 | bipak_ | thats true :) |
| 18:16.00 | jrei | is there a noticable performance differance running from SD or phone mem? |
| 18:16.00 | bumbl_ | lesouvage: me too |
| 18:16.10 | uhsf | me i don't tell much to anyone about my openmoko |
| 18:17.21 | lesouvage | bumbl: it's the concept that appeals to me. Its not the phone that is the challenge but the way you cn make a fit between the software running on it and the particular needs of a group/organsiation. Fitting the fucntionlity to the real needs of a group/company/organsiation is a complete new game. |
| 18:17.34 | uhsf | i just leave it plugged in all day with the original 2007.2 and i pray gsm doesn't die randomly |
| 18:18.01 | uhsf | i don't even try to change the annoying ringtone |
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| 18:18.11 | uhsf | not even set the time and date |
| 18:18.26 | bumbl_ | lesouvage: I don't regret buying the freerunner |
| 18:18.30 | bumbl_ | i love it |
| 18:18.38 | uhsf | it could break the fragile stability it has |
| 18:18.48 | lesouvage | I use a hacked iphone since november last year and I have to do reboot on a kind of regular basis. |
| 18:20.37 | bumbl_ | lesouvage: you have to reboot the freerunner too because of all the memory leaks (it got better but 2007.2 was terrible) |
| 18:21.13 | donomo | i dont get how FSO has 3 milestones and making/placing calls is on the 'what to expect list' when its never worked reliably for me. |
| 18:22.25 | donomo | i think FSO has the most promise of the different images |
| 18:23.05 | toggles_w | fso rocks |
| 18:23.27 | toggles_w | well, i only use zhone, but i tlike it even if it doesn't quite work ;) |
| 18:23.58 | bumbl_ | fso is cool |
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| 18:24.11 | donomo | milestone3 says 'waiting for dbus' forever, and GPS is totally broke. |
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| 18:24.17 | bumbl_ | but the ui has to be rewritten as zhone is only for testing purposes |
| 18:24.23 | cjb | donomo: first boot? |
| 18:24.31 | cjb | donomo: it's known broken on first boot; reboot. |
| 18:24.48 | donomo | cjb many many boots have happened :) |
| 18:25.08 | ieatlint | bumbl, yeah, but if you look at zhone's source.. you see just how truly easy the fso framework is |
| 18:25.27 | cjb | ah |
| 18:25.33 | ieatlint | so we just need someone who's good at making UIs |
| 18:25.39 | donomo | the dbus approach is awesome |
| 18:26.10 | ieatlint | with edje, you can completely change zhone's appearance without touching the regular source code, too, hehe |
| 18:27.04 | sicu | gogo edje and raster =] |
| 18:27.17 | lesouvage | bumbl: I'm involved in the Asterisk project and it really would be great to run a sip phone on the freerunner integrated with the rest of the phone fuctionity like on the Nokia E60/61. Or even better, have Asterisk running on the freerunner as the pbx that route all incoming calls as desired. The device can run Asterisk, I have it runing on a Nokia 770. |
| 18:28.22 | lesouvage | But after a day seding lots of time getting the basics up and running it feels like a far away idea. |
| 18:28.22 | shoragan | lesouvage, you can't route both audio paths of a gsm call over the cpu |
| 18:28.33 | shoragan | you only have one adc and dac each |
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| 18:35.47 | bumbl_ | lesouvage: that would be amazing |
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| 18:42.32 | bricode_ | lesouvage: I've gotten a commlandline sip phone working. |
| 18:43.05 | bricode_ | Also, FWIW uma == encapsulated GSM so that the carriers can bill you for time when you're using your own WiFi connection. |
| 18:43.52 | lesouvage | bricode: I'm very interested!! (the response suffers some delay because I had to bring my daughters to bed) |
| 18:44.57 | lesouvage | bricode: what is the point of being charged by a telco when you set p a phonecall usig your own stuff? |
| 18:45.17 | bricode_ | lesouvage: So the telco can make money? :) |
| 18:45.42 | bricode_ | lesouvage: Let me ask a simple question: which carriers support GSM<->VOIP handoff? |
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| 18:47.23 | lesouvage | bricode: my point is that you shoudn't need a telco for this. |
| 18:48.14 | bricode_ | lesouvage: That's true, just a sip provider. |
| 18:48.47 | lesouvage | bricode: a sip provider is actually a huge sip/pstn gateway. |
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| 18:59.41 | *** topic/#openmoko is Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
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| 19:00.22 | ieatlint | lindi-, gprs latency round trip is 700ms on average... a 350ms latency may be "acceptable" for phone conversations |
| 19:00.44 | lindi- | ieatlint: yep |
| 19:01.05 | lesouvage | lindi: introduce jitter and latency, just don't tune the etwork to the best and simply not really making an effort. It is logic because t would cost them billions if people start making phonecalls over IP for a flat fee for the bandwidth isntead of the pe minute charge for traditional phonecalls. |
| 19:01.34 | lindi- | lesouvage: ok |
| 19:01.46 | mjr | gprs can't provide decent quality of service for phonecalls period |
| 19:01.55 | lindi- | lesouvage: and using SIP over some wlan would be quite a challenge. for example here UDP traffic is filtered |
| 19:02.08 | ieatlint | the throughput would be the real limit, although i don't think it'd work well on edge or umts either |
| 19:02.21 | lindi- | lesouvage: so something else than SIP is probably needed on the internet. (SIP works fine in our internal LAN) |
| 19:02.39 | ieatlint | your isp filters udp? |
| 19:02.57 | lindi- | ieatlint: the university wlan network does |
| 19:03.02 | lesouvage | lindi: the nokia E61 was the perfect device with an integrated sip stack, but it never made it to the market with te sip stack as a selling point. |
| 19:03.08 | ieatlint | that's odd |
| 19:03.31 | lesouvage | lindi: you need vpn connections or other smart mechanisms to bypass that. |
| 19:03.47 | lindi- | lesouvage: or just tcp hole punching |
| 19:04.21 | lindi- | lesouvage: vpn to some dedicated site adds latency :( |
| 19:04.45 | lesouvage | lindi: asterisk has its own protocol IAX2 that just need one port instead of a huge range like sip. |
| 19:05.00 | lindi- | lesouvage: yeah but that too does not do any tricks to bypass firewalls |
| 19:05.13 | lesouvage | You can do sip over tcp but from a sip perspective it doesn't make much sense. |
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| 19:05.55 | lindi- | lesouvage: yeah |
| 19:06.15 | lindi- | lesouvage: i've been thinking that maybe we could have some new transport library that'd hide all these nat/firewall tricks from apps |
| 19:06.30 | lindi- | lesouvage: it would also hide the fact of whether ipv4 or ipv6 is used and handle mobile IP |
| 19:07.21 | lindi- | lesouvage: we planned to do it on 'distributed systems project' course but after initial planning meeting we were convinced that we would not have enough time |
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| 19:08.09 | lesouvage | Do I have to put the device in some mode before making a ssh connection over usb or should I just plug in the usb cable? |
| 19:08.45 | lindi- | lesouvage: just plug the device |
| 19:09.23 | lindi- | you need the modules cdc_ether usbnet |
| 19:10.03 | lesouvage | lindi: it is working now, just made a typo |
| 19:10.26 | lindi- | lesouvage: what do you think about my new transport library idea? ;) |
| 19:13.30 | lesouvage | lindi: sip is more then just telephony. It is an abriviation of session initiation protocol and telefphony is just a session. If you design it as a piece of the existing framework then it is a great idea, otherwise it will ot fit into the "big plan" |
| 19:14.25 | lindi- | lesouvage: there's xmpp too |
| 19:14.54 | lindi- | lesouvage: the transport library of course should quite neutral so you could use whatever apps you want with it |
| 19:14.59 | bricode_ | SIP is really only to establish a session and the session capabilities. It's separated from the codecs. |
| 19:15.01 | lindi- | lesouvage: and nothing SIP-only |
| 19:15.09 | lesouvage | lindi: yes but that is already part of "the big plan" |
| 19:15.18 | lindi- | lesouvage: xmpp? |
| 19:15.40 | bricode_ | I've done SIP calls on a 1x network moving at 100 km/h with little problems (except the call dropping every 6 minutes as the cell changed...data handoff isn't as smooth as voice). |
| 19:16.33 | lindi- | 1x network? |
| 19:16.49 | lesouvage | lindi: isn't xmpp the protocol for instant messaging? |
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| 19:18.16 | lindi- | lesouvage: they support voice and video too |
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| 19:19.01 | fredrin | How do I get usb networking going on a clean debain install. I can only see the lo interface with ifconfig... |
| 19:19.17 | lindi- | lesouvage: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0167.html |
| 19:19.29 | [df] | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 19:20.06 | fredrin | [df]: k |
| 19:20.23 | jrei | i am connected to internet via wifi but the installer tells me to check my network |
| 19:20.27 | jrei | any idea? |
| 19:23.38 | bricode_ | lindi-: 1xRTT...CDMA network. |
| 19:24.02 | lesouvage | I have just ssh over usb into my device and adjusted /etc/resolv.conf what should be my next logical step to get the installer working? |
| 19:24.24 | danwink | has anyone had any luck connecting to internet through usb in vista? |
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| 19:26.44 | lesouvage | It would be nice to be able to use my wlan |
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| 19:34.07 | danwink | whats the eqivalent of window's dir? |
| 19:34.15 | lesouvage | ls |
| 19:34.20 | danwink | thanks! |
| 19:34.32 | e-Flex | Does windows even have a DIR command? |
| 19:34.44 | danwink | yeah, it works in ubuntu also |
| 19:34.46 | max_posedon | actuly dir works in linux too) |
| 19:34.56 | danwink | not on openmoko though. |
| 19:35.11 | e-Flex | alias, right? |
| 19:36.56 | danwink | ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT] what does this mean. |
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| 19:38.39 | Torikun | Any updates on when Android will be ready for openmoko |
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| 19:38.52 | lesouvage | The device has an IP number on my wlan. It looks that we are getting somewhere. Al I need now is a descent browser. |
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| 19:41.17 | lesouvage | I got a connection refused message when ssh over my wlan to the device. I can ping so there is a connection. |
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| 19:42.37 | max_posedon | lesouvage, what distro are you using? |
| 19:42.43 | max_posedon | (with version plz) |
| 19:42.53 | lesouvage | om2008.9 |
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| 19:53.02 | lesouvage | How do I add reposititory so I can install extra apps to the device? What I read is that this shouldn't be a problem but I have no repository available. |
| 19:53.21 | toggles_w | well, i only use zhone, but i tlike it even if it doesn't quite work ;) |
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| 19:55.28 | max_posedon | lesouvage, all repositories is added to Om2008.9 by default |
| 19:55.49 | max_posedon | you just need checked that dns on FR installed correctly and do opkg update |
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| 19:58.15 | lesouvage | max_posedon: thanks, i have adjust the dns so now I have to do opkg update |
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| 19:58.56 | lesouvage | I got an error Collected errors: * Could not obtain administrive lock Any idea? |
| 19:59.04 | malik1972 | has someone a "good" gsmhandset.state file? |
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| 20:01.13 | malik1972 | i am struggling to avoid buzz+echo at the same time |
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| 20:02.54 | max_posedon | lesouvage, You already runned opkg, or smth like this |
| 20:03.06 | max_posedon | from Ui "Installer" for example. |
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| 20:03.30 | lesouvage | max_posedon: I have tried, but nothing shows up. |
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| 20:03.47 | max_posedon | now you should stop him. |
| 20:04.07 | max_posedon | he took "lock". |
| 20:04.39 | lpotter | hmm.. usbnet doesn't seem to work on zhone image |
| 20:06.14 | malik1972 | lpotter: hi, with which aim you are looking at fso? |
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| 20:07.14 | malik1972 | s/at/into/g |
| 20:07.43 | lpotter | i want usbnet |
| 20:07.55 | lpotter | no workey |
| 20:08.59 | malik1972 | lpotter: do you want to try their stack in qtopia? |
| 20:09.56 | lpotter | maybe |
| 20:10.00 | lpotter | :) |
| 20:10.24 | lpotter | oh cool. it just crashed |
| 20:10.30 | lpotter | completely |
| 20:10.38 | lpotter | back to console |
| 20:10.50 | malik1972 | lpotter: honestly, that also happens in qtopia |
| 20:10.59 | lpotter | malik1972: prove it |
| 20:11.00 | dpobrien | Do I understand correctly that for the GSM 850 model, in the SF Bay Area, my carrier choice is essentially 'Cingular' ? |
| 20:11.27 | lpotter | malik1972: as in is it reproducable? |
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| 20:12.39 | malik1972 | lpotter: for instance "restart qtopia" from the power button menu works for me only every 2nd time or so, qpe does not come back |
| 20:13.12 | lpotter | blames the sleepy modem |
| 20:13.21 | malik1972 | lpotter: it never dropped me to a console, thats right |
| 20:13.56 | malik1972 | lpotter: /etc/init.d/qpe stop/start from usb connection works every time |
| 20:14.07 | lesouvage | My device went completely black. Hope it is an empty battery. |
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| 20:15.35 | malik1972 | lpotter: today i got a phone call while restarting qtopia, that was funny:-) |
| 20:15.51 | lpotter | and how did it act? |
| 20:16.01 | viq | "sorry, can't talk, rebooting pho-" |
| 20:16.08 | viq | ;) |
| 20:16.21 | malik1972 | lpotter: neo was vibrating and i was lost |
| 20:16.41 | malik1972 | lpotter: reboot was my only choice |
| 20:17.28 | malik1972 | lpotter: in some cases the neo does not wake up anymore but this seems to be a general problem |
| 20:18.06 | malik1972 | i will by me a hphone |
| 20:18.14 | malik1972 | ^buy |
| 20:18.33 | malik1972 | something between g and i;-) |
| 20:18.35 | lpotter | there is no g_ether.ko on fso |
| 20:20.25 | malik1972 | lpotter: ask mickeyl;-) |
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| 20:20.32 | lpotter | thats just silly |
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| 20:22.30 | lesouvage | shouldn't there blink a light when the freerunner is charging. I put mine on power but nothing is blinking. :-( |
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| 20:22.56 | KewlCat | Hello |
| 20:22.59 | dolf1074 | lesouvage: only if it isn't in suspend and is powered on |
| 20:24.28 | viq | where tango keeps it's settings? |
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| 20:29.37 | lesouvage | dolf1074: but whatever buttons I press there is no "sign of live" or blinking lights. It is not a phone for the faint of heard but just turning dark makes even the tough guys a little bit nervous. |
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| 20:36.10 | TAsn | has anyone here opkg upgraded fso lately? |
| 20:36.12 | TAsn | is it safe |
| 20:36.13 | TAsn | ? |
| 20:36.14 | TAsn | ;] |
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| 20:36.54 | KewlCat | TAsn : with which sources do you plan to upgrade ? |
| 20:37.09 | KewlCat | TAsn : what's in /etc/opkg/* ? |
| 20:37.11 | TAsn | sec |
| 20:37.26 | TAsn | something with bearstech |
| 20:37.29 | TAsn | sec checking ;] |
| 20:37.36 | edje2 | lesouvage: try connect it to the charger |
| 20:37.55 | TAsn | http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/all |
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| 20:38.30 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r50980d7acfb8 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Strip padding from cell broadcast messages and add a test PDU |
| 20:38.31 | KewlCat | TAsn : oh ! testing .... |
| 20:38.39 | TAsn | i know |
| 20:38.41 | KewlCat | TAsn : dunno if it's safe... |
| 20:38.52 | TAsn | what would you recommend to update with on fso? |
| 20:38.57 | lesouvage | edje2: I allready did. Perhaps it just need some time. It is kind of strange that the battery drains out while the device is connected by usb. |
| 20:39.09 | KewlCat | TAsn : I'd recommend a good backup before ;-) |
| 20:39.42 | edje2 | lesouvage: GPS and wifi seem to consume a lot of power, perhaps to much for the (usb) charger |
| 20:40.57 | lesouvage | edje2: I assume it jut need some time. I just begun to have the feeling that I started to develope a sense of control over the device, then it went black. ust wait an hour and then I will see. |
| 20:41.56 | ieatlint | gps and wifi shouldn't put the device over 500ma methinks |
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| 20:43.51 | mmontour | GSM and the vibrator draw current directly from the battery. AFAIK everything else will be powered by USB as long as it's plugged into a 500mA host. |
| 20:44.33 | mmontour | (might also be an audio amp on Vbat - I'd have to check the schematics) |
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| 20:45.30 | danwink | when i run iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 in debian it says FATAL: Module ip_tables not fouind. And then it says, iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `nat': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) what does this mean |
| 20:45.43 | mmontour | It's also normal for the charger to shut off the charge current when the battery is full. It should re-enable charging after the battery voltage drops below 96% of the charge voltage |
| 20:45.47 | lesouvage | mmontour: I assume a standard usb port on a laptop will provide enough power. |
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| 20:46.05 | mmontour | It should. Mine does |
| 20:46.36 | moo--- | danwink: I think you can create different routing tables inside iptables (e.g. default, nat) and they have their own chains |
| 20:46.38 | mmontour | If you're running MS Windows, you might need to install a driver before the OS will allow the device to draw the full current |
| 20:46.46 | Mandarino | Are your GTA2 battery dead? |
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| 20:47.04 | Mandarino | My FreeRunner doesnt start up |
| 20:47.27 | mmontour | "cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/usb_curlim" will show you what the Neo is using |
| 20:47.51 | ieatlint | lesouvage, "cat /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/current_now" will tell you the battery's current (positive means discharging, negative means charging) |
| 20:48.03 | KewlCat | danwink : this message means that the kernel module needed to operate IP tables is absent from your system |
| 20:48.06 | ieatlint | oh fine. |
| 20:49.29 | danwink | ok. How do i get that module? or is my operating system just not going to work |
| 20:49.57 | KewlCat | danwink : what, exactly, is your operating system ? |
| 20:50.01 | lesouvage | Mandarino: it looks like it but I'm waiting for a while to see if the situation will change. Forn now no bliking lights and no booting |
| 20:50.23 | Mandarino | yes the same for me |
| 20:50.44 | ieatlint | that could mean a deep discharge battery |
| 20:50.44 | danwink | Its a debian distro that came with a computer packaged with a cnc machine. Its basically a stripped down version of debian |
| 20:51.10 | Mandarino | ieatlint and how to fix it? |
| 20:51.20 | KewlCat | same here : no sign of life and no boot, but after a while the FreeRunner boots and manages to find the power source it is plugged to... |
| 20:51.23 | lesouvage | ieatlint: I should run this from the linux pc? |
| 20:51.27 | ieatlint | search the wiki for "deep discharge" |
| 20:51.35 | danwink | how do i find more specifically what my operating system is? |
| 20:51.38 | ieatlint | lesouvage, no, the phone |
| 20:51.44 | Mandarino | thanks ieatlint x) |
| 20:51.46 | ieatlint | if the phone isn't on, it won't charge btw |
| 20:52.03 | lesouvage | ieatlint: but my phone seems dead |
| 20:52.22 | KewlCat | danwink : let's first check the kernel ... try "uname -a" |
| 20:52.34 | ieatlint | lesouvage, if you can't get it to boot (try removing and reinserting the battery), then it likely means the battery is deep discharged |
| 20:53.39 | Mandarino | I have tried this... and connect directly |
| 20:53.41 | Mandarino | and nothing |
| 20:53.55 | danwink | Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.16.20-rtai #1 Sun Jun 11 15:03:07 BST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:54.39 | KewlCat | danwink : ok, now "find /lib/modules/2.6.16.20-rtai -name ip_*" |
| 20:56.06 | danwink | ok big list of stuff all in a folder called /lib/modules/2.6.16.20-rtai/kernel/net/ipv4/ipvs/ |
| 20:56.10 | ieatlint | wow, someone who uses find properly and doesn't just pipe to grep! |
| 20:56.40 | danwink | some is in ipv4/netfilter as well |
| 20:56.42 | KewlCat | danwink : any sign of "ip_tables" somewhere ? |
| 20:56.54 | danwink | nope. |
| 20:57.11 | KewlCat | danwink : what did it find in ipv4/netfilter, then ? |
| 20:57.14 | lesouvage | ieatint: if it doesn't boot because the battery is to deeply discharged to boot the device and the battery is not charged when the device isn't boted then I ahve a serious problem (or a good excuse to buy a second freerunner) |
| 20:57.15 | Mandarino | lesouvage what do you think looks like battery problem or terminal? |
| 20:57.55 | KewlCat | lesouvage : buying a second battery can save you a lot of money ;-) :-D |
| 20:57.57 | ieatlint | lesouvage, hehe... yeah, a second battery |
| 20:58.16 | danwink | ipconntrack_ftp.ko, ip_conntrack.ko, ip_conntrack_tftp.ko, ip_contrack_amanda.ko, ip_contrack_irc.ko, ip_queue.ko |
| 20:58.21 | ieatlint | and there are compatible nokia phone batteries |
| 20:58.36 | Mandarino | This means that we can't leave uncharging the battery? |
| 20:58.45 | ieatlint | so if you have a nokia phone, you may be able to use it to boot your freerunner |
| 20:59.00 | KewlCat | danwink : weird... there's almost everything to build IP tables except ip_tables.ko itself... |
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| 20:59.40 | lesouvage | ieatlint: I have a nokia e60 and a e61. The battery of the e60 might fit. |
| 21:00.04 | Mandarino | With e65 same |
| 21:00.06 | danwink | thats wierd.... |
| 21:00.13 | ieatlint | lesouvage, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery#Compatible_Replacement_Batteries |
| 21:00.33 | lesouvage | ieatlint: thanks |
| 21:00.38 | danwink | i did find /lib/modules/2.6.16.20-rtai/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ and those are the only files in there |
| 21:00.41 | KewlCat | danwink : what is the error message when you try "modprobe ip_contrack" ? |
| 21:01.06 | danwink | no error message. |
| 21:01.11 | KewlCat | danwink : huh ? |
| 21:01.21 | KewlCat | danwink : does "lsmod" list ip_conntrack ? |
| 21:01.30 | danwink | oh woops i did modprobe ip_conntrack with two nns |
| 21:01.36 | danwink | and you said one n |
| 21:01.37 | ieatlint | lesouvage, what you do is boot using the good battery and plug the phone into the wall charger (500ma can work, but it's best to use the 1a) |
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| 21:02.02 | danwink | yeah it lists it |
| 21:02.12 | ieatlint | lesouvage, once the phone is fully booted, wait for the screen to dim (the idea being, the phone is using as little power as possible) ... then as quickly as you can, yank the battery out of the phone and pop in the dead battery |
| 21:03.00 | ieatlint | lesouvage, if you screw up (ie, the phone dies), repeat until success... and the dead battery will then charge |
| 21:03.16 | KewlCat | danwink : my bad. There should have been a second 'n' in "conntrack" ;-) |
| 21:03.39 | ieatlint | lesouvage, other options are to find a battery charger compatible with the freerunner battery (3.7vdc li-ion 1cell) -- nokia chargers will not work, however |
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| 21:03.59 | KewlCat | danwink : does dmesg say anything about IP tables ? maybe it's builtin... |
| 21:04.18 | danwink | KewlCat: Yeah, "modprobe ip_conntrack" didnt output any text, and lsmod lists ip_contrack as the very first thing. |
| 21:06.04 | KewlCat | danwink : uh oh... In fact, ip_conntrack doesn't need ip_tables :-/ |
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| 21:06.38 | danwink | KewlCat: dmesg has no sign of any ip_tables |
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| 21:07.07 | danwink | maybe i should just give up. Maybe this is a sign telling me that i should work at work instead of playing with my freerunner |
| 21:07.25 | KewlCat | danwink : does apt say anything about your kernel or its modules ? |
| 21:07.30 | danwink | let me check |
| 21:07.43 | KewlCat | danwink : have you any possibility of reinstalling / upgrading these ? |
| 21:07.44 | lesouvage | ieatlint: thanks for the help. I find my nokia e60 and the charger so a solution seems underway. It is kind of strange btw that the freerunner can really drain the battery below the critical level. |
| 21:08.07 | KewlCat | lesouvage : I totally agree |
| 21:08.22 | KewlCat | lesouvage : that, and the fact that it cannot charge when off |
| 21:08.40 | danwink | No no sign of anytng about the kernel |
| 21:08.47 | ieatlint | lesouvage, it's a "bug" |
| 21:08.48 | mmontour | It's a software issue - the hardware supports a low-bat interrupt, so it's possible for the device to wake up from suspend and do an emergency shutdown when the battery is too low |
| 21:09.08 | KewlCat | danwink : a custom kernel !? that's not good :-/ |
| 21:09.20 | danwink | KewlCat: I'd be wary of doing any major changes, Its got some specialized hardware for communicating with the cnc machine |
| 21:09.28 | mmontour | The hardware can also charge while off, but doing so may violate the USB standard (because it requires devices to communicate with the host to negotiate power consumption) |
| 21:09.34 | ieatlint | lesouvage, oh, and remember -- nokia chargers cannot charge anything but nokia batteries (it's nokia forcing you to buy batteries from them only) |
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| 21:09.45 | KewlCat | danwink : do you happen to have the sources of this kernel ? |
| 21:09.51 | danwink | KewlCat : My boss would be unhappy if messed it up |
| 21:10.01 | KewlCat | danwink : I guess so.... |
| 21:10.16 | ieatlint | mmontour, well even if it charged at 100ma when off, it'd be better than nothing |
| 21:10.25 | lesouvage | but as metioned before: this phone is not for faint of hard, I assume this is jst part of the open phone adventure ;-) |
| 21:10.30 | danwink | It came installed, and it came with custom "Sherline Linux CNC Installation" cds |
| 21:10.52 | KewlCat | mmontour : it means that my Motorola phone violates the USB standard ? |
| 21:11.34 | lesouvage | ieatlint: a nokia phone can also be considered to be a nokia charger? |
| 21:12.00 | ieatlint | lesouvage, yes, it will not charge the freerunner's battery |
| 21:12.20 | KewlCat | danwink : did it come with support from "Sherline", maybe you can ask for the missing module ? |
| 21:12.36 | mmontour | ieatlint: that's what my patched version of u-boot does. It should be safe, but I think it's still technically a violation to draw even 100mA without some host communication. There's a USB battery charging specification somewhere (may be linked from the wiki) that has more details |
| 21:13.10 | danwink | KewlCat: I'll send them an e-mail. Thanks for your help figuring it out! |
| 21:13.13 | ieatlint | mmontour, and where is your patched version of u-boot, if you don't mind? :) |
| 21:13.46 | KewlCat | mmontour : the wall charger that came with the FreeRunner dos any kind of "negotiation" with the thing it is plugged into, before charging ? |
| 21:14.14 | KewlCat | danwink : you're welcome |
| 21:14.35 | KewlCat | mmontour : "does", not "dos" ... |
| 21:15.20 | mmontour | ieatlint: binary's at http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/u-boot-mm-2008083001.udfu (TRY AT YOUR OWN RISK), and see also http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-August/004899.html |
| 21:15.51 | mmontour | KewlCat: no "negotiation", but it has a special resistor connected to the ID pin that identifies it as an Openmoko charger |
| 21:16.14 | KewlCat | mmontour : Ooooh.... ok :-) |
| 21:16.16 | ieatlint | thanks |
| 21:16.41 | KewlCat | discovers the inner workings of USB :-D |
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| 21:19.48 | danwink | oops heh |
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| 21:22.48 | TAsn | damn, did opkg upgrade now X won't ren. ;\ |
| 21:22.51 | TAsn | run* |
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| 21:23.18 | KewlCat | TAsn :-( |
| 21:23.24 | TAsn | yeah. |
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| 21:23.37 | TAsn | Xglamo runs though. |
| 21:23.47 | TAsn | let's check what the xserver script actually does |
| 21:25.05 | Mandarino | my openmoko is alive!! |
| 21:26.05 | lesouvage | Mandaino: so there is hope! |
| 21:26.06 | KewlCat | Mandarino : Champagne !! :-) |
| 21:26.38 | Mandarino | lesouvage it runs with nokia battery |
| 21:27.17 | Mandarino | and 3 cables |
| 21:27.21 | Mandarino | x) |
| 21:27.45 | lesouvage | Yes, but I have to charge it first. I just have to wait for some time. |
| 21:27.56 | lesouvage | 3 cables? |
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| 21:28.22 | Mandarino | look your battery |
| 21:28.30 | Mandarino | you can see this: |
| 21:28.37 | Mandarino | + cc - |
| 21:29.17 | Mandarino | nokia's battery has + - cc |
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| 21:29.46 | Mandarino | and you need 3 short cables to connect |
| 21:30.26 | TAsn | does anyone have any idea how to fix xserver? ;] |
| 21:32.17 | danwink | so what is the "standard procedure" for when your phone is completely out of battery |
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| 21:33.28 | lesouvage | danwink: you are lucky because you are the third with the same problem |
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| 21:34.15 | lindi- | danwink: i just put it to 1A charger for a few hours |
| 21:34.36 | lesouvage | see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery#Compatible_Replacement_Batteries |
| 21:34.40 | mmontour | Mandarino: what kind of Nokia battery do you have? My BL-4C can be used directly (no jumper cables), and AFAIK the BL-5C and BL-6C are the same |
| 21:34.55 | KewlCat | had no lock with the wall charger, it worked better when plugged to the USB port of a PC |
| 21:35.01 | danwink | lol im not in that situation but you guys seem too be having a lot of trouble so i was wondering if openmoko hadnt thought about that |
| 21:35.32 | mmontour | The current u-boot has a bug with the wall charger, so it is best to use a 500mA USB host |
| 21:40.51 | lesouvage | my phone is booting again. I use a BL-5C battery. |
| 21:44.17 | Mandarino | lesouvage me too ;) |
| 21:44.52 | Mandarino | But I'm using E65 battery |
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| 21:47.58 | LionKMP | Hi, how to "configure" the mail sending system? (It says it's not configured when I want to send mail to a contact) |
| 21:48.10 | LionKMP | Om 2008.8 |
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| 21:55.12 | lesouvage | mmontour: The output of the command you gave to see the power charged is 500. I assume that is ok. |
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| 21:56.02 | mmontour | yes, that's OK. You would see 100 if it was plugged into an un-powered hub or something similar |
| 21:56.22 | lesouvage | I started a "keep alive" ping from the freerunner to my linux pc so none of the two goes a sleep Does that make sense? |
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| 22:00.15 | slaxxin | for a purpose i guess |
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| 22:04.46 | lesouvage | ieatlint: the output of cat /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/current_now is different every couple of seconds (from 3937 till 9562) |
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| 22:06.07 | lesouvage | Are you sure that it indicates something about charging or discharging? |
| 22:06.45 | ieatlint | heh |
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| 22:10.52 | mmontour | lesouvage: yes, that /sys file shows the current into or out of the battery (in microAmps). |
| 22:11.41 | lesouvage | ieatlint: but it is positive all the time so that should mean that the battery isn't charging. |
| 22:12.38 | mmontour | Try "echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode", then wait a few seconds and check it again. |
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| 22:15.26 | lesouvage | mmontour: there is no output |
| 22:16.50 | mmontour | No output from "cat /.../current_now"? If so, try it again (sometimes there's a glitch when the kernel talks to the battery). It's normal to have no output from the "echo 1" command |
| 22:20.05 | lesouvage | mmontour: i've got an error message "no such file or directory" |
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| 22:21.22 | mmontour | for which command? |
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| 22:25.40 | lesouvage | the chgmode command with current_now instead of chgmode |
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| 22:29.45 | mmontour | Try again the commands as shown above, "echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode" then "cat /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/current_now" (chgmode and current_now are in different directories in /sys) |
| 22:29.50 | mmontour | bbiab |
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| 22:55.28 | yabo | Hello, what packages should i get from http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/armv4t/ to get Python up and running with the most common modules? |
| 22:56.29 | hipitihop | can someone please point me at a correct handset alsa state file for qtopia ? It is almost impossible to hear the caller but the caller hears me fine. |
| 22:58.39 | yabo | for me its the other way round, hipitihop |
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| 23:00.09 | hipitihop | yabo, you running the latest qtopia snapshot ? |
| 23:01.21 | yabo | Qtopia Phone version 4.3.2 release. |
| 23:01.39 | yabo | i think so? :S |
| 23:01.41 | hipitihop | hmm, well I flashed the latest which is 4.3.3 |
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| 23:01.48 | yabo | oh |
| 23:01.52 | yabo | where can i find that? |
| 23:02.14 | hipitihop | in which apparently they tried to patch/fix the echo |
| 23:02.40 | yabo | oo nice, do you know where i can find the images? |
| 23:02.59 | hipitihop | yabo the wiki has links to all the Distributions but standby |
| 23:04.47 | hipitihop | http://qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/ |
| 23:05.00 | hipitihop | yabo, ^^ |
| 23:05.35 | yabo | thank you very much :-))) |
| 23:05.43 | hipitihop | ayabo, as I said though, the call volume is too low but the microphone volume seems fine according to callers I have tested with |
| 23:06.34 | yabo | alright |
| 23:06.41 | MnemonicPunk | btw: I managed to get openmoko running on the HTC. So if anyone wants kernel image/initramfs for that, I'll share happily. xD |
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| 23:07.04 | MnemonicPunk | *HTC Magician lol |
| 23:07.28 | hipitihop | where are the alsa state files kept on qtopia ? |
| 23:07.43 | TAsn | where can i get the xorg logs? |
| 23:07.53 | TAsn | nothing in /var/log |
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| 23:23.43 | ieatlint | TAsn, /tmp |
| 23:23.51 | TAsn | yeah, saw it. |
| 23:23.55 | TAsn | thanks. |
| 23:24.07 | TAsn | i have this edje missing issue ;\ |
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| 23:40.33 | TAsn | got my moko back ;] |
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| 23:43.02 | hipitihop | is there an alsa mixer ui that edits state files ? |
| 23:43.02 | slaxxin | did it brick? |
| 23:43.10 | TAsn | slaxxin, nope |
| 23:43.17 | TAsn | just opkg ugrade |
| 23:43.19 | TAsn | killed it ;] |
| 23:43.21 | slaxxin | oo |
| 23:43.29 | TAsn | that nasty edje error;\ |
| 23:43.35 | slaxxin | wwhich os? |
| 23:43.39 | TAsn | fso |
| 23:44.05 | TAsn | now that i have a moko |
| 23:44.08 | TAsn | i can go to sleep ;] |
| 23:44.11 | TAsn | gn. |
| 23:44.17 | yabo | is there a python-package for openmoko? |
| 23:44.29 | slaxxin | charge all three batteries:) |
| 23:44.33 | yabo | i found the package in the fso-repository, but it does not come with the most common modules |
| 23:44.39 | yabo | where can i get those? |
| 23:45.02 | TAsn | anyhow, im off. |
| 23:45.03 | TAsn | gn. |
| 23:45.20 | slaxxin | n] |
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