| 00:00.25 | Dave | dude, I'm just telling you how it is. |
| 00:00.25 | johnsu01 | lpotter suggested it would be okay, unless I misunderstood |
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| 00:00.25 | johnsu01 | as long as I stayed away from the qtopia x11 stuff |
| 00:00.25 | *** part/#openmoko ieatlint (n=ieatlint@tehinterweb.com) |
| 00:00.30 | Dave | If you're using qtopia, and you opkg upgrade, say, using the OM2008 repo, you're fucked. reflash your phone, it won't turn on again. |
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| 00:00.36 | ieatlint | blah |
| 00:00.36 | Dave | I've done it a couple times :) |
| 00:00.39 | Dave | heh |
| 00:00.48 | Dave | more like, fail@tehinterweb.com ;p |
| 00:00.54 | Dave | heh heh |
| 00:01.07 | johnsu01 | Dave: wfm :) |
| 00:01.11 | ieatlint | my screen setup is weird, and i tried to close a browser window with ctrl+w... |
| 00:01.13 | Dave | wfm? |
| 00:01.20 | johnsu01 | works for me |
| 00:01.27 | Dave | ieatlint: gg |
| 00:01.36 | ieatlint | but keyboard focus and mouse focus are different things for me, so while i was browsing in firefox, text focus was here :) |
| 00:01.41 | Dave | johnsu01: probably because your opkg repos are using correct feeds or something. |
| 00:01.44 | Dave | anyhoo |
| 00:01.52 | Dave | ieatlint o_O |
| 00:02.02 | Dave | Ieatlint, you are on the path to destruction. |
| 00:02.11 | johnsu01 | Dave: oh I see, he changed all the URLs |
| 00:02.16 | Dave | YES |
| 00:02.18 | Dave | -_- |
| 00:02.19 | ieatlint | i've been on that path for a long time |
| 00:02.29 | johnsu01 | Dave: :) |
| 00:02.32 | Dave | ieatlint: glad you're not part of the meth scene, though. :) |
| 00:02.38 | Dave | johnsu01, hooray |
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| 00:03.14 | Dave | heh |
| 00:03.19 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 00:03.25 | Dave | leinir :P |
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| 00:03.35 | Dave | Raster. |
| 00:03.45 | Dave | salutes |
| 00:03.57 | ieatlint | i definitely am tempted with the tmo g1... real drawback is that i hear it won't allow tethering :( |
| 00:04.06 | ieatlint | but i wants an hspda phone damnit |
| 00:04.28 | Dave | yep |
| 00:04.30 | Dave | as do many |
| 00:04.37 | Dave | get in line :P |
| 00:04.45 | ieatlint | i like that it has a compass |
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| 00:05.43 | ieatlint | i should've just stolen one of the dev models... i've a friend who had access and could've told me who to mug walking out of synaptics :P |
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| 00:06.58 | kd8ikt | jesus |
| 00:07.10 | Dave | haha |
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| 00:07.19 | raster | bada bing |
| 00:07.30 | Dave | Mine, uhh,.... fell off the truck :) |
| 00:07.35 | kd8ikt | LEAK TEH DOCS RAS! |
| 00:07.50 | raster | kd8ikt: not happening. |
| 00:08.05 | kd8ikt | hopes to wear away at ras's sanity |
| 00:08.06 | Dave | Raster, leak your new UI designs! |
| 00:08.09 | raster | u won't wear me down :) i'm half german. that means i'm stubborn-as-crap :) |
| 00:08.22 | raster | Dave: not designs. its real stuff |
| 00:08.25 | raster | been busy |
| 00:08.26 | Dave | Oh snap! |
| 00:08.32 | raster | i just need to polish off this at replacement |
| 00:08.34 | ieatlint | it also means you can be bribed with beer and kinky porn |
| 00:08.41 | Dave | haha! |
| 00:08.43 | Dave | :P |
| 00:08.46 | kd8ikt | muwahaha |
| 00:08.48 | Dave | ieatlint, and I'm sure you would know! ;) |
| 00:08.58 | Dave | let's all gang up |
| 00:08.58 | kd8ikt | german shizer films |
| 00:09.01 | ieatlint | i know a lot of germans .9 |
| 00:09.32 | ieatlint | it's spelt scheiÃe, and that's not kinky, that's ... something else |
| 00:09.36 | kd8ikt | my last name is german so its cool just give me the plans for the death star |
| 00:10.20 | kd8ikt | brazillian fart fetish pr0n |
| 00:10.37 | kd8ikt | (southpark) |
| 00:10.42 | ieatlint | this went downhill way too fast |
| 00:11.14 | kd8ikt | i wonder if there is a parrellel universe where mirror mirror raster will leak the docs |
| 00:11.38 | kd8ikt | then we can get them from him and bring them back to this universe |
| 00:11.46 | CVirus | hehe |
| 00:11.55 | ieatlint | what docs? |
| 00:12.01 | kd8ikt | glamo |
| 00:12.17 | ieatlint | ah, yeah, that's his ass and a bad lawsuit if he does |
| 00:12.19 | kd8ikt | and anything else NDA |
| 00:12.27 | raster | ieatlint: beer maybe. kinky porn - nah. got bored of that. |
| 00:12.47 | ieatlint | don't try and get people under NDA to violate it... it's not fair to them :P |
| 00:12.54 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 00:13.12 | kd8ikt | you wanted to mug someone! when did your morals come back? |
| 00:13.27 | ieatlint | that entirely different |
| 00:13.28 | raster | ieatlint: don't worry. i'm not. when i sign a deal. i stick to it. when i agree to something. i do it. i dont violte trust placed in me. it's a personal moral thing. |
| 00:13.36 | kd8ikt | bah |
| 00:13.42 | ieatlint | i risk only my own ass if i mugged someone for a phone that wasn't their |
| 00:13.43 | ieatlint | s |
| 00:14.11 | playya | i still don't where all the cliches came from |
| 00:14.12 | ieatlint | raster, i'm not saying you would violate it, but being harassed about it in my book isn't cool... |
| 00:14.29 | raster | ieatlint: no.. but sooner or later i will just use /ignore :) |
| 00:14.33 | ieatlint | when you make a bunch of friends all under nda, you learn that when someone says they can't talk about it, to just drop it |
| 00:14.34 | playya | i can understand lederhosen and drinking beer, but sheisse porn? |
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| 00:14.51 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 00:14.56 | ieatlint | playya, okay, explain the lederhosen to me |
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| 00:15.42 | kd8ikt | hey you where around during the 80's its basicly liek jacking your socks up |
| 00:15.49 | playya | ieatlint, it's a old fashioned bavarian "tracht" |
| 00:16.18 | playya | and they love to wear on on octobre festival |
| 00:16.23 | ieatlint | heh, i know what lederhosen are, i was joking that you said you understood lederhosen... |
| 00:16.41 | ieatlint | i've been to bavaria, they wear it outside of oktoberfest :) |
| 00:16.46 | kd8ikt | i missed cincinnati's october fest this year it was last weekend |
| 00:16.47 | playya | but rest of germany thinks bavaria is more austria than germany ;) |
| 00:16.49 | ieatlint | albeit, very few do |
| 00:17.00 | ieatlint | bavaria is too nice to be austria |
| 00:17.20 | kd8ikt | i was looking forward to drinking beer and eating patatoe cakes and sausage |
| 00:17.36 | ieatlint | the city of campbell has an oktoberfest in about 4 weeks :) |
| 00:17.42 | playya | i've never been ther. |
| 00:18.03 | playya | i don't pay this much for one beer |
| 00:18.17 | ieatlint | how much is it this year? |
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| 00:18.50 | ieatlint | â¬8? that's not bad |
| 00:19.09 | CVirus | 8euros for a beer !! |
| 00:19.14 | ieatlint | remember it's a litre of beer... so â¬8 buys you more than twice an american pint |
| 00:19.39 | ieatcode | :p |
| 00:19.55 | CVirus | you can buy a litre of beer for 2.4euros here in Egypt |
| 00:20.07 | playya | but you have at least 10x more alcohol |
| 00:20.11 | ieatlint | what do muslim countries know about beer? |
| 00:20.14 | ieatcode | haha |
| 00:20.17 | ieatcode | is it shitty? |
| 00:20.19 | CVirus | lol |
| 00:20.24 | CVirus | crappy beer here anyways |
| 00:20.40 | ieatcode | huhu |
| 00:20.44 | slaxxin | why does beer exist? |
| 00:20.53 | CVirus | so that people can code ? |
| 00:20.53 | playya | because its good |
| 00:21.01 | playya | and healthy |
| 00:21.15 | ieatlint | slaxxin, because it was safer to drink beer than water for much of european civilization |
| 00:21.29 | ieatcode | lint, so I'm lookin' at bikes... |
| 00:21.31 | slaxxin | it was to stop starvation |
| 00:21.46 | ieatcode | slaxxin, what a crappy excuse. |
| 00:21.52 | slaxxin | lol |
| 00:22.02 | ieatcode | just eat some fuckin' potatoes or something |
| 00:22.05 | slaxxin | not when your starving |
| 00:22.13 | ieatcode | eat plants! |
| 00:22.14 | slaxxin | in the winter |
| 00:22.15 | ieatlint | i dunno, those drunks on the streets here don't seem to be starving... that 40 in their hand must be doing something |
| 00:22.23 | ieatcode | just not lint or code :p |
| 00:22.31 | ieatcode | lint, yeah :P |
| 00:22.48 | ieatcode | lint, the bus system was all fucked up today, and I believe they are deceiving us |
| 00:23.08 | ieatcode | to the extent that their web predictions disagree with their metered ones. |
| 00:23.14 | ieatcode | they must use different systems |
| 00:23.21 | slaxxin | i have been thinking the same thing for months now |
| 00:23.24 | ieatcode | or one uses real data and the other is just bullshit for the consumer |
| 00:23.28 | ieatlint | muni? or that freakish state you also seem to spend time called nj? |
| 00:23.36 | ieatcode | haha |
| 00:23.40 | ieatcode | the latter, unfortunately :P |
| 00:24.08 | ieatlint | can you tell my mother's from new york? :) |
| 00:24.18 | ieatcode | :D |
| 00:24.32 | ieatcode | it might explain... something... |
| 00:24.38 | ieatcode | gives ieatlint a shifty-eyed look |
| 00:25.22 | ieatlint | careful, i might think you're coming on to me |
| 00:26.36 | ieatcode | haha |
| 00:26.46 | ieatcode | Don't worry, I'm not from your corner... :P |
| 00:27.15 | ieatlint | what corner is that? |
| 00:27.32 | ieatcode | heh heh |
| 00:27.47 | ieatcode | Let's not elaborate further, shall we. :P |
| 00:28.02 | ieatlint | ;) |
| 00:28.44 | ieatlint | ok, i'm guying a tmo g1, if i hate it, i bet i can sell it |
| 00:29.05 | playya | brb |
| 00:29.24 | ieatcode | heh |
| 00:29.37 | ieatcode | ieatlint, cool, just make sure not to accidentally pick up thc instead ;) |
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| 00:29.52 | slaxxin | im thinking of doing the same to this freerunner |
| 00:30.05 | ieatcode | What, smoking it? |
| 00:30.55 | slaxxin | why does everybody wanna smoke anyways cant u just eat the buds |
| 00:31.09 | slaxxin | save a lung |
| 00:31.20 | ieatcode | haha |
| 00:31.30 | ieatlint | it gets into your bloodstream faster by inhaling it |
| 00:31.44 | ieatlint | eating it may have other issues, i dunno :P |
| 00:31.47 | slaxxin | an it goes out faster too |
| 00:32.03 | ieatlint | people looking for a high aren't thinking long term... |
| 00:32.50 | slaxxin | like people smoking cigs they dont care untill its too late |
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| 00:34.33 | playya | anyone has experience in using dbus over tcp? |
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| 00:35.29 | mwester-trip | dbus over tcp? Ick... but it was bound to happen, I suppose. |
| 00:37.05 | mwester-trip | imagines another group of developers dancing to the bank with their Intel bribe money, after ensuring that another overhead-filled comms protocol enters the market to sell more and faster Intel hardware. |
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| 00:38.40 | mwester-trip | Let's add SSL, 'cause we need security -- and see if Intel will pay us more! Gaaaaah!!! |
| 00:39.36 | ieatcode | haha, wow |
| 00:39.49 | ieatcode | Did anyone ever notice how some cellphone seconds are SLIGHTLY faster than real seconds? |
| 00:39.59 | unknown_lamer | mwester: dbus over tcp would be useful to link a freerunner+workstation |
| 00:40.01 | ieatcode | I smell a conspiracy. |
| 00:40.12 | playya | unknown_lamer, thats my plan |
| 00:40.22 | unknown_lamer | mwester: I mean what other transport mechanism would you use? |
| 00:40.26 | ieatcode | Mwester :) |
| 00:40.41 | playya | i want to have a applet to send sms, calls, ... |
| 00:40.52 | mwester-trip | unknown_lamer: Something specifically suited for the applications that need to communicate, of course. |
| 00:41.03 | mwester-trip | Like NFS for file transfer. |
| 00:41.04 | ieatcode | damn, I need to figure out how to get my sound back |
| 00:41.28 | unknown_lamer | mwester-trip: but nfs ... is still udp |
| 00:41.39 | mwester-trip | It runs over TCP if you like. |
| 00:41.46 | mwester-trip | Or consider NTP |
| 00:41.54 | unknown_lamer | mwester-trip: if you're trying to talk to the fso daemons on another machine I think that dbus *is* that protocol :-) |
| 00:41.58 | mwester-trip | An excellent protocol for transferring time informatoin |
| 00:42.12 | playya | mwester-trip, i thought of dbus because whole FSO uses it and ir would be easy if you have a "bridge" to your freerunner and a dev could use all the moko libs |
| 00:42.15 | mwester-trip | unknown_lamer: the issue is the protocol, not the daemons or tcp/ip |
| 00:42.34 | mwester-trip | doing dbus over TCP differs from Java RMI in what way? |
| 00:43.12 | mwester-trip | We've been there, done that, it's good for some problems, but overuse just results in security issues, and the sale of more network and system hardware. |
| 00:43.16 | unknown_lamer | but what would you use instead? |
| 00:43.30 | mwester-trip | LIke I said: specific tcp/ip messages. |
| 00:43.32 | mwester-trip | NTP for time. |
| 00:43.44 | mwester-trip | NFS for file transfer. Or AFS if yo ulike. |
| 00:43.49 | playya | but JMI is java only |
| 00:43.51 | mwester-trip | If one doesn't exist, write it. |
| 00:43.54 | kd8ikt | 9p |
| 00:43.56 | unknown_lamer | I don't think there are many security issues with moko<->computer over BNEP or similar |
| 00:44.14 | playya | and corba is too heavy for small devices |
| 00:44.21 | unknown_lamer | corba is the fucking devil |
| 00:44.23 | mwester-trip | playya: yes, and thank the gods that it hasn't infected C and C++ yet |
| 00:44.31 | mwester-trip | agrees about CORBA |
| 00:44.35 | ieatlint | xml-rpc would be the protocol, but somehow adding an extra software layer... i dnno |
| 00:44.39 | playya | i thought about twister |
| 00:44.46 | mwester-trip | but dbus isn't really much different from corba, is it? |
| 00:44.53 | playya | xml-rpc is only one way |
| 00:45.18 | unknown_lamer | mwester-trip: dbus is actually implementable :-X |
| 00:45.30 | mwester-trip | The bottom line is that a general purpose, object-oriented network-transfer protocol doesn't really fit will with small memory, low-and-unreliable-bandwidth devices. |
| 00:46.06 | mwester-trip | dbus works because it's local -- and even then it sometimes has problems. |
| 00:46.12 | unknown_lamer | a freerunner isn't really in the small memory/low bandwidth category when on a home wlan or pan which is ... where dbus over tcp would be useful |
| 00:46.15 | mwester-trip | (not the transport, the comms) |
| 00:46.41 | mwester-trip | unknown_lamer: it sure can't move much data on my wlan. |
| 00:46.52 | mwester-trip | And latency is pretty high. |
| 00:47.04 | mwester-trip | Although one hopes that will get fixed. Some day. |
| 00:47.51 | playya | i thought of a proxy |
| 00:48.06 | playya | but this has to run on both systems |
| 00:48.09 | mwester-trip | Anyway, to each his/her own -- I've just had bad experiences with corba, RMI, and all that stuff -- it all looks so neat on the drawings, and demos nicely to management, but when you roll it out in production... wow! |
| 00:49.56 | unknown_lamer | corba and java everything are just examples of shitty software |
| 00:49.57 | mwester-trip | anyway, gotta scare up some dinner. back later; maybe my Neo will cough up that missing SMS in the meantime :( |
| 00:50.03 | unknown_lamer | design by committee for use by retarded monkeys |
| 00:51.19 | raster | mwester-trip: aye. the flow-chart moinkeys |
| 00:51.23 | raster | darligns mof management |
| 00:51.29 | raster | suck when it comes ot making shit work |
| 00:51.58 | playya | do you mean the UML nazis? |
| 00:52.43 | raster | i mean pretty much anyone with some massively over-design goop |
| 00:52.53 | raster | without real working optimised code to back it up |
| 00:53.19 | raster | (just having proof of concept code that needs 12gb to run and a 8core 5ghz proc doesn't count) |
| 00:53.42 | playya | but it is well designed |
| 00:53.51 | playya | and you can do foo with it |
| 00:53.56 | raster | dont care if it doesnt work! |
| 00:53.58 | raster | :) |
| 00:54.14 | unknown_lamer | my favorite people are the code monkeys who just gaze at you blindly when you tell them about complexity analysis |
| 00:54.35 | raster | gazes blindly at unknown_lamer |
| 00:54.37 | unknown_lamer | and the oh ... time *and* space matters |
| 00:54.51 | playya | or model driven architecture |
| 00:55.05 | ieatcode | :D |
| 00:55.17 | unknown_lamer | raster: even if you don't know the math you seem to at least know how to not write a 2^n algorithm for everything :-) |
| 00:55.21 | raster | finds that pretty much anyone who starts stringin buzzwords together one after the other is generally clueless |
| 00:55.24 | playya | my prof. always tells me that is is future in about 2-5 years |
| 00:55.40 | balrog-k1n | how do you make 2.6.26 boot off NAND? |
| 00:55.47 | raster | unknown_lamer: i prefer O(n) |
| 00:55.49 | raster | but hey |
| 00:55.52 | raster | u cant always win |
| 00:55.53 | raster | :) |
| 00:56.06 | raster | i will admit |
| 00:56.10 | raster | i do have nasties in my code |
| 00:56.17 | unknown_lamer | everyone does |
| 00:56.18 | raster | sometiems i just dont giv a crap |
| 00:56.42 | raster | ie "the expected input for this will be a dozen things... fuck it. linear search is fine!" |
| 00:57.08 | raster | the problem is when expected input doesnt end up real world input... |
| 00:57.34 | unknown_lamer | at least you can optimize later |
| 00:57.38 | raster | needs to improve his dictionary stuff <- not very nice lookup code there (but designed it to be ultra-lean on memory though) |
| 00:59.04 | unknown_lamer | trees are our friends |
| 00:59.27 | raster | i belong to the tridge school of coding |
| 00:59.35 | raster | get the fuck out there and write come code |
| 00:59.44 | raster | fuck off with your uml flow diagramwhatever crap |
| 00:59.58 | raster | by the tim u'd written your "design documents" i've finished the software and eithe rprovien it can be done |
| 01:00.01 | raster | or that it has issues |
| 01:00.04 | raster | and needs more work |
| 01:00.56 | ieatlint | raster, could you explain your reasoning using big o notation? |
| 01:02.12 | ieatcode | heh |
| 01:02.23 | balrog-k1n | has someone succeeded booting 2.6.26? |
| 01:02.48 | raster | ieatcode: :-P~ |
| 01:03.00 | ieatcode | raster, I like your style |
| 01:03.04 | ieatcode | More work, less bullshit :) |
| 01:03.07 | ieatcode | Gets stuff done. |
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| 01:03.20 | ieatcode | Pleases most everyone else, as well. |
| 01:03.25 | ieatlint | yeah, i haven't done a "flow diagram" since i was forced to |
| 01:03.48 | ieatcode | haha |
| 01:04.22 | ieatlint | the teacher kept insisting that it's more important to do diagrams and shit... |
| 01:04.57 | raster | i just refuse |
| 01:05.00 | raster | i wont do them |
| 01:05.18 | raster | i got better things to waste time on |
| 01:05.24 | raster | like drinking beer |
| 01:05.29 | raster | thats at leats more productive |
| 01:05.30 | raster | :) |
| 01:05.55 | ieatlint | just do a diagram that consists of "main() -> NDA, sorry -> success!" |
| 01:06.07 | raster | hahaha |
| 01:09.03 | parodyoflanguage | I don't think unknown_lamer was talking about buzzwords but about CS-stuff. Taking advantage of theoretical knowledge. |
| 01:09.29 | playya | my prof. was very disappointed because he saw less UML in the practical semester reports |
| 01:10.13 | unknown_lamer | your professor sounds terrible |
| 01:10.18 | unknown_lamer | UML is so anti-cs it hurts |
| 01:11.32 | playya | he loves c#, UML, ... |
| 01:12.07 | unknown_lamer | ah, attaching himself to things that were dead before they were born |
| 01:12.15 | playya | and he wants to tell me that c/c++ is dead and stuff like python, perl, ruby isn't needed |
| 01:12.25 | balrog-k1n | enabled mtd debugging just to see if that magically fixes mtd |
| 01:12.38 | unknown_lamer | python, perl, and ruby are not needed ... and c/c++ should be dead so at least he got *that* right |
| 01:12.41 | playya | C# has some nice features but a big vm behind it |
| 01:12.52 | unknown_lamer | the future is somewhere in the MLish world probably |
| 01:13.05 | playya | MLish? |
| 01:13.11 | unknown_lamer | maybe with a better type system (there is Qi which uses sequent calculus which is interesting) |
| 01:13.12 | playya | sth like amish? |
| 01:13.19 | unknown_lamer | one of the descendants of ML :-) |
| 01:13.30 | parodyoflanguage | unknown_lamer: You're confusing the future with progress. |
| 01:13.59 | unknown_lamer | please don't smash my hope :-( it is all I have to keep from killing myself |
| 01:14.22 | parodyoflanguage | unknown_lamer: Well, become the change you want to see in the world. |
| 01:14.37 | unknown_lamer | naturally |
| 01:14.41 | parodyoflanguage | If you like ML, write ML and convince everyone else of it's superiority. |
| 01:14.50 | unknown_lamer | I prefer Lisp aesthetically |
| 01:15.02 | playya | i never coded lisp |
| 01:15.05 | unknown_lamer | I just wish Qi were less fugly then I'd be very happy |
| 01:15.21 | playya | in europe most of the students start with java or c |
| 01:15.25 | unknown_lamer | or if Qi-prolog had an sexp notation |
| 01:15.31 | parodyoflanguage | heh |
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| 01:15.45 | unknown_lamer | it is annoying to have to write (defprolog "strings of prolog") |
| 01:16.27 | unknown_lamer | should dive into the prolog compiler code to see how amenable it is to having different syntax targetted at its internal representation |
| 01:19.10 | balrog-k1n | ...oh right.. i'm flashing gta01 images to gta02... 2.6.26 is fine |
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| 01:24.59 | lawnjart | hello |
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| 01:28.01 | mwester-trip | balrog-k1n: You had me worried there as I caught up in the log :o |
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| 01:54.47 | balrog-k1n | mwester-trip: sorry i sometimes cause deaths by heart attack |
| 01:55.06 | balrog-k1n | fortunately i recover easily |
| 01:55.35 | Dave | :P |
| 01:57.37 | balrog-k1n | that said i still haven't succeeded booting |
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| 02:41.10 | balrog-k1n | gives up on 2.6.26 for now |
| 02:41.35 | balrog-k1n | mtd CRC errors all the way |
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| 02:47.30 | ieatcode | :| |
| 02:48.06 | slaxxin | how is it that qtopia has hold of my sdcard? |
| 02:48.17 | slaxxin | qtopia let go |
| 02:48.34 | ljp | edit Storage.conf |
| 02:48.43 | slaxxin | i have 2008.8 instaslled |
| 02:50.12 | slaxxin | the path? |
| 02:50.45 | slaxxin | whathell is deadjoe |
| 02:51.02 | ieatcode | let my storage go? |
| 02:51.12 | slaxxin | lol |
| 02:51.30 | ieatcode | calm down there moses :p |
| 02:55.00 | slaxxin | my media card is to busy to install debian on |
| 02:55.21 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.21 | slaxxin | killall: qpe: no process killed |
| 02:56.06 | ieatcode | heh |
| 03:03.34 | slaxxin | how do i stop 2008.8 from making my sdcard busy? |
| 03:03.58 | rooly | don't install it on the sdcard? |
| 03:04.15 | slaxxin | why? |
| 03:05.40 | rooly | that would make it not busy up the sdcard |
| 03:06.16 | slaxxin | trying to install debian to the sdcard an i get this |
| 03:06.36 | slaxxin | umount: /media/card: device is busy |
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| 03:06.51 | rooly | ...nvm |
| 03:07.01 | slaxxin | lol |
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| 03:10.11 | kd8ikt | umount -fl /media/card |
| 03:10.19 | kd8ikt | <force,lazy> |
| 03:10.40 | kd8ikt | also you may not be able to remount it without a reboot or something like a reread of the device |
| 03:11.55 | kd8ikt | http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?umount+8 |
| 03:12.20 | slaxxin | ok |
| 03:19.59 | slaxxin | yay |
| 03:20.16 | rooly | anywho |
| 03:20.18 | rooly | bedtime |
| 03:20.19 | rooly | nn |
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| 03:23.07 | slaxxin | later |
| 03:24.26 | slaxxin | how would one cause 2008.8 to use the tangogps maps from the debian install on sdcard |
| 03:24.45 | slaxxin | a simple path maybe? |
| 03:26.43 | ieatcode | just point it to the appropriate maps cache dir in the tango config |
| 03:34.11 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rbd066c464603 10/tools/cli-framework: |
| 03:34.11 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: tools: add usage and gps interfaces to cli-framework. closes fso #131 |
| 03:34.11 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: patch by fso@mattb.net.nz, thanks! |
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| 03:38.50 | slaxxin | yea but i dont know where that is |
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| 04:43.31 | slaxxin | come on in people |
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| 04:45.40 | kd8ikt | u mean om-location? |
| 04:46.08 | kd8ikt | dunno if those (tangogps) tiles are compatible with om-location |
| 04:46.48 | kd8ikt | and i also am kinda depressed there is no config file that i know of to tell om-location where to save cache |
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| 04:47.25 | kd8ikt | AFAIK it gets dumped in tmp(ram) to be lost on reboot |
| 04:47.55 | kd8ikt | wich upsets me cause i dont get unlimited GPRS (GSM internet) |
| 04:48.16 | kd8ikt | which*? |
| 04:49.21 | kd8ikt | old habiuts die hard |
| 04:51.51 | Agrajag- | last time i used tangogps on an eeepc there was the tile cache location in tangogps's gui config |
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| 04:54.34 | kd8ikt | but i think slaxxin is talking about using "location" (om-location binary) |
| 04:54.50 | kd8ikt | to utilize tangogps's tiles cache |
| 04:55.20 | kd8ikt | throws his two cents out and doesnt care what change comes back |
| 04:56.52 | aliases123 | it still is. |
| 04:57.45 | aliases123 | ah wait no. i think they are working on that. it would be nice to have locations and tango use the same tiles tho. |
| 04:59.24 | slaxxin | how to get zhone to die in debian? |
| 05:01.41 | kd8ikt | killall zhone |
| 05:02.03 | kd8ikt | <you must kill it for it to die> |
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| 05:03.50 | kd8ikt | or ' for $pid in $(ps ax |grep zhone |awk '{print $1}' ); do kill -KILL $pid ; done; |
| 05:04.20 | kd8ikt | but if you're using that lil onscreen keyboard that might not be feasible |
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| 05:05.15 | slaxxin | so if i killall zhone i can enter "zhone an it will start back up? |
| 05:05.32 | kd8ikt | should |
| 05:05.41 | kd8ikt | zhone & to deamonize it |
| 05:07.35 | slaxxin | is there a debian gui? |
| 05:07.49 | kd8ikt | x11 |
| 05:08.05 | kd8ikt | anything that uses xserver |
| 05:08.13 | slaxxin | is zhone the desktop? |
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| 05:08.29 | slaxxin | not |
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| 05:09.29 | kd8ikt | i believe the debian rootfs uses plain ole xserver with zhone and a teminal/keyboard |
| 05:10.28 | slaxxin | so x is already running ? |
| 05:10.41 | slaxxin | i killed zhone |
| 05:10.59 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 05:11.11 | kd8ikt | else zhone wouldnt be able to start |
| 05:11.27 | slaxxin | so theres no bachground image? |
| 05:12.47 | kd8ikt | nope |
| 05:12.58 | kd8ikt | u mean zhone's lil background? |
| 05:13.12 | kd8ikt | dunno how one would/could change that |
| 05:13.30 | kd8ikt | might be compiled in or somethin |
| 05:13.46 | kd8ikt | couldnt hurt to gander at the source |
| 05:13.48 | Sargun | uhm |
| 05:14.07 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, yt? |
| 05:14.27 | kd8ikt | or search the filesystem for image files and check if any of those match the image |
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| 05:21.20 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03marek * r4664 10/trunk/src/host/pye17/ (codegen/codegen.py codegen/h2def.py evas/evasmodule.c): |
| 05:21.20 | CIA-22 | openmoko: make the evas binding compile and run without crash on import |
| 05:21.20 | CIA-22 | openmoko: known issues: |
| 05:21.20 | CIA-22 | openmoko: the functions needs testing |
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| 05:31.01 | kelvie | how do you flash the kernel live on the openmoko? |
| 05:32.26 | ljp | http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php?id=360917304&eid=-50 |
| 05:32.41 | kelvie | hmm or can I just replace the uimage in boot? :p |
| 05:32.49 | kelvie | s,boot,/boot, |
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| 05:37.51 | slaxxin | yep its time to step up to the plate |
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| 07:02.26 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rb8b9889f4e71 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 07:02.26 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Use UCS2 as default character set |
| 07:02.26 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This solves internationalization issues for contact names. |
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| 07:19.11 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:21.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03marek * r4665 10/trunk/src/host/pye17/ (8 files in 4 dirs): |
| 07:21.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: cleanup evas |
| 07:21.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: ecore support added |
| 07:21.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: known issues: |
| 07:21.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: it needs to be tested |
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| 07:26.10 | becjone | a quick question: does somebody have try to something with RTAI on freerunner ? |
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| 08:51.17 | *** topic/#openmoko is Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
| 08:51.22 | raster | actually i can |
| 08:51.26 | raster | for lazy programmers |
| 08:51.30 | lpotter | heh |
| 08:51.32 | becjone | maybe for prototyping |
| 08:51.36 | raster | rapid "i just hacked up an idea in the last 10 mins": |
| 08:51.59 | lpotter | python/perl/java... same thing |
| 08:52.00 | becjone | put i don't like lazy typed language |
| 08:52.01 | raster | or for "i barely know how to rub 2 sticks together to make fire, letalone program, but with python! i can make software!" |
| 08:52.18 | raster | (personalyl such people should have their fingers lopped off so they dont infect us with their software...) |
| 08:52.21 | becjone | (i mean apart for ocaml :D) |
| 08:52.49 | becjone | ocaml on neo, i need to try this :) |
| 08:52.49 | raster | in the end - if u want it done rightand efficiently |
| 08:52.58 | raster | and solidly.. it comes back to c/c++... |
| 08:52.59 | raster | :) |
| 08:53.13 | becjone | or ocaml :p |
| 08:53.18 | raster | as long as u just have lots of libraries that make life easy there (qt, glib, gtk, efl etc.) |
| 08:53.22 | raster | it's largely irrelevant |
| 08:53.36 | raster | i'd say om spent more development time on exposure in python |
| 08:53.42 | raster | than it would have been in c |
| 08:53.51 | raster | by probably 3-4 times as much dev time |
| 08:54.39 | becjone | their choice ... :( |
| 08:54.40 | lpotter | hmmm |
| 08:54.51 | raster | sure |
| 08:55.05 | raster | doesnt say much for python though |
| 08:55.48 | raster | imho |
| 08:55.56 | raster | ok |
| 08:56.06 | raster | if u wanted control over how your ui scales... |
| 08:56.18 | raster | actually never mind |
| 08:56.24 | ronny | my usual experience with python is needing to solve 1/10 of time and code compared to c |
| 08:56.24 | raster | it wotn make sense to ppl :) |
| 08:57.45 | raster | i would disagree |
| 08:57.58 | becjone | ronny: maybe a question of pratice with C ? |
| 08:58.06 | raster | then again i have been eating, sleeping and breathing c for over a decade |
| 08:58.15 | raster | i've probably whacked out about 700k lines of c in that time |
| 08:58.19 | ronny | becjone: i work with gtk, and i make signals/inheritance tree |
| 08:58.25 | raster | so to me c is zero barrier |
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| 08:58.50 | raster | doesnt slow me down - the code and solutions (not the language and mechanics) are the real thngs to think over |
| 08:59.31 | becjone | to me python has only the "pro of non compilation" but "the cons of speed" |
| 08:59.46 | raster | i'd rather take speed |
| 08:59.55 | raster | i can always find a use for cycles |
| 08:59.57 | raster | always... |
| 09:00.12 | raster | and i'd rahter give those cycles to the user |
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| 09:00.20 | raster | and make them do osmething the user will like |
| 09:00.26 | raster | rather than use them up in language choice |
| 09:00.27 | raster | :) |
| 09:00.28 | ronny | usualy my python code performs mostly equivalent to c |
| 09:00.31 | raster | but hey - that's me |
| 09:00.32 | raster | :) |
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| 09:00.46 | ronny | but thats cause im not writing numeric things |
| 09:00.57 | becjone | raster: yeah that because debuging with hard coded is easy for you |
| 09:01.05 | ronny | and many things just call to c code |
| 09:01.15 | raster | becjone: just a matter of experience |
| 09:01.26 | raster | also debugging is easier in c |
| 09:01.29 | raster | onc eu have python |
| 09:01.35 | becjone | ronny: i agree for GUI python is enough |
| 09:01.37 | raster | and its calling some pyhton bindings |
| 09:01.42 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r9478feff4823 10/data/themes/ (10 files): use fontconfig instead of the embedded font (fixes chinese text) |
| 09:01.43 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r5224f9fdb20d 10/data/fonts/DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf: remove font file |
| 09:01.45 | raster | which then call some c libs.. |
| 09:01.49 | raster | finding the bug is just painful |
| 09:01.56 | raster | compared to if it were all in c/c++ |
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| 09:04.04 | recluze | hi all... anyone know how long the 2007.2 will be supported? Should we be in a hurry to move on to 2008.8 |
| 09:04.56 | raster | its up to the community to support 2007 |
| 09:05.00 | raster | om no longer does |
| 09:05.56 | recluze | oh |
| 09:06.53 | ronny | raster: i never saw a usefull open-source c++ debugger - the pretty much all "break" on the stl |
| 09:06.58 | recluze | shaz: are you listening? |
| 09:07.34 | raster | ronny: i dont touch c++ myself :) so gdb/valgrind/memprof/efence etc. tend to serve me nicely |
| 09:07.35 | raster | :) |
| 09:08.46 | beni_ | raster, do you help in FSO? |
| 09:09.14 | raster | yes |
| 09:09.15 | raster | a bit |
| 09:09.16 | becjone | ronny: i disagree, gdb may have some problem when watch complicated STL type but is useable |
| 09:09.20 | raster | i've been providign some updates to efl |
| 09:09.29 | raster | i'm preparing a bunch of ui stuff tho |
| 09:09.33 | raster | thus my illume theme work |
| 09:09.59 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-01.png |
| 09:10.01 | raster | for example |
| 09:10.04 | becjone | (ronny: i develop with kdevelop, qt4 for my work and have use it sevral time) |
| 09:10.07 | raster | working on it |
| 09:10.11 | raster | ignore the clock and bg |
| 09:10.13 | raster | just a test app |
| 09:10.20 | raster | keyboard being fixed up |
| 09:11.49 | beni_ | more and more i think FSO will be the better distribution. |
| 09:13.34 | raster | it needs soem work |
| 09:13.40 | raster | espec ialyl the framework stuff |
| 09:13.51 | raster | but i think it shoudl be better as its likely going to be useful |
| 09:14.02 | raster | and driven by what community and users want |
| 09:14.17 | raster | and the day it isnt - another distor will take its place to be sure |
| 09:14.45 | raster | i've been giving the illume keyboard a run for its money yesterday trynig to type up whole paragraphcs of stuff |
| 09:14.54 | raster | it's now quite usable |
| 09:14.59 | raster | i have some things to improve |
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| 09:19.02 | anno^da_ | raster: It looks nice. |
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| 09:22.37 | shaz | recluze; 2008.8 is messy yet but if it gets stable and FR can run it at the speed of 2007.2 than I have no problem using it |
| 09:24.05 | hossi | I'v added and configured the wpa_supplicant.conf but when I run ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 it end with No lease, failing ? |
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| 09:27.01 | raster | anno^da_: tnx |
| 09:27.07 | raster | tho definitely not done |
| 09:27.51 | recluze | hossi: have you tried statically assigning an essid? |
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| 09:33.26 | hossi | recluze, hmm strange I managed to connet to an open wifi. Btw the adress to zecke's feeds? |
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| 09:34.59 | recluze | hossi: no idea about the feeds |
| 09:36.31 | RedFlash | why do I get edje_cc: Error. Unable to find image name "background.png". |
| 09:36.48 | RedFlash | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Changing_wallpaper |
| 09:36.49 | hossi | I'm talking about his package list |
| 09:37.06 | recluze | i don't know . never used him |
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| 10:06.02 | sakkara | hossi: try to turn of wifi in the settings, make "killall wpa_supplicant" a few times (until "no process killed") and then "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" |
| 10:06.51 | sakkara | and look if essid and passphrase are right in the wpa_supplicant.conf is right |
| 10:07.14 | edje2 | Hi, i have a freerunner and want to link a script to a clickable icon to run the script. how can i do that ? |
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| 10:08.00 | PBeck | hallo |
| 10:09.11 | beni_ | hallo |
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| 10:10.53 | hossi | sakkara, still get the same message :/ |
| 10:12.50 | sakkara | hossi: strange... |
| 10:13.45 | sakkara | i also had problems with wifi in 2008.8, the driver seems to be bad |
| 10:14.30 | sakkara | now i have FDOM (2008.8 with fixes and programs) and it works quite well... |
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| 10:22.00 | becjone | edje2: maybe some of the file in /usr/share/applications will inspire you |
| 10:22.11 | beni_ | RedFlash: you need to put the file there |
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| 10:22.45 | ceda | becjone: /etc/version was what I was looking for, thanks! |
| 10:22.59 | beni_ | RedFlash: * scp your background.png image from host-pc to freerunner: |
| 10:22.59 | beni_ | scp background.png moko:/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume/ |
| 10:23.57 | edje2 | becjone: thanks, i will look in to that. |
| 10:25.23 | beni_ | raster: maybe you want to write some short howto how to change the background in FSO, into http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Changing_wallpaper ? |
| 10:25.29 | beni_ | or is it the same procedure? |
| 10:25.31 | beni_ | for now? |
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| 10:32.12 | raster | beni_: no... because fso is no better currently |
| 10:32.18 | raster | i intend to change it |
| 10:32.24 | raster | and then there will be zero need for a howto at all |
| 10:32.38 | raster | howto's are silly when it should be a simple config option in the gui |
| 10:32.47 | beni_ | yes |
| 10:32.49 | beni_ | thats true |
| 10:33.02 | beni_ | didnt know that you want to make a gui |
| 10:33.42 | raster | e alreadys has a gui |
| 10:33.48 | raster | has a gui for theme selecting |
| 10:33.52 | raster | for keybinding editing |
| 10:33.57 | raster | inf act has a gui for tonnes of stuff |
| 10:34.23 | raster | it has about 45+ config dialogs |
| 10:42.25 | beni_ | but the need reworking to fit on the screen? |
| 10:42.37 | beni_ | i remember, you told me |
| 10:42.45 | beni_ | sorry for asking such dumb questionsd. |
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| 10:46.27 | hossi | sakkara, what is FDOM? |
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| 10:53.48 | kth5 | widrone: 2 |
| 10:53.50 | kth5 | oops |
| 10:54.02 | kth5 | should have been /windows 2 X) |
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| 11:00.59 | widrone | Heh, made me wake up atleast ;) |
| 11:04.09 | sakkara | hossi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM |
| 11:08.04 | RedFlash | hi, how do I notify the author of a wiki or even change a wiki entry ? |
| 11:08.06 | RedFlash | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Changing_wallpaper |
| 11:08.22 | RedFlash | this wiki is not quite correct |
| 11:08.50 | si-m1 | if you register - you can be the author |
| 11:09.07 | [df] | is FDOM equivalent to 2008.9 with extra apps installed? |
| 11:10.24 | sakkara | [df]: i believe its 2008.8 with extra apps and fixes... |
| 11:10.55 | [df] | but is there stuff there you can't get just by using opkg from within 2008? |
| 11:11.06 | [df] | is still very confused about which distro to run :( |
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| 11:11.34 | sakkara | you can use opkg without problem, its like 2008.8 |
| 11:11.49 | sakkara | its just "fuller" |
| 11:11.56 | nyu | [df]: welcome to the club ;-) |
| 11:11.57 | gregdude | hi, is any admins of the Projects.Openmoko.org here? |
| 11:12.21 | sakkara | i tried 2007, 2008, qtopia, fdom, fso, ... |
| 11:12.21 | Ainulindale | gregdude: roh <= |
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| 11:12.22 | [df] | so given that I've already installed a load of extra stuff on 2008.9, there's not much to be gained by switching to FDOM? |
| 11:12.31 | gregdude | oh, sure, thanks |
| 11:13.21 | sakkara | [df]: well, i think the wifi driver is a bit better, but i dont know... |
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| 11:13.51 | sakkara | my wifi (nearly) doesnt crash anymore |
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| 11:14.53 | [df] | I might try dual-booting qtopia |
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| 11:15.14 | sakkara | in my opinion the cutest and most usable "out-of-the-box" is qtiopa, but it lacks a good gps-app... |
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| 11:15.58 | [df] | when I install stuff using opkg, is that going onto the sd card? |
| 11:16.38 | sakkara | normally not, its installed on the nand |
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| 11:16.58 | [df] | so what is the sd card used for if you're not dual booting? |
| 11:17.11 | [df] | mine seems to have something called qtopia_db.sqlite on it, which I guess is the contacts db? |
| 11:17.24 | mjr | for whatever you want? |
| 11:17.47 | becjone | for video for example if you want to try it :D |
| 11:17.48 | [df] | ah ok, so photos, music, videos or whatever |
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| 11:17.58 | mjr | you can install software packages in there too optionally, if you're running low on space, and then there's multimedia and map data and stuff |
| 11:18.05 | sakkara | yes, everything you do on the card^^ |
| 11:18.17 | [df] | if the contacts db is on there though, will it be able to share that between the two distros if I dual-boot? |
| 11:18.23 | sakkara | i save the gps maps and tracks there |
| 11:18.45 | becjone | you could split it into partions... |
| 11:19.02 | [df] | ah, I see |
| 11:19.12 | [df] | then have one partition for the OS and one for general use |
| 11:19.36 | beni_ | tonight i had my phone in suspend. At morning the GUI was showing (i did nothing to wake it up) and battery was drained severely. Is there something known that wakes freerunner at 2008.9 up? |
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| 11:21.58 | becjone | beni_: suspend isn't working without bug :D (mine can't wake up or don't turn screen on :) ) |
| 11:22.30 | nyu | is the stock u-boot good enough for http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/ ? |
| 11:22.32 | beni_ | becjone: i had this issues with om2008.8 |
| 11:22.34 | nyu | on a FR |
| 11:22.40 | beni_ | but this works now reliably |
| 11:22.55 | becjone | beni_: yeah i haven't search yet; no time |
| 11:23.05 | beni_ | nyu: i would flash it with a recent version unless you have made huge adjustments. |
| 11:23.12 | nyu | beni_: okay |
| 11:23.18 | beni_ | nyu: in that case i would make a backup of the config first |
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| 11:23.45 | nyu | beni_: it's a stock setup |
| 11:23.58 | beni_ | nyu: which production date? |
| 11:24.16 | nyu | beni_: no idea TBH. it's a FR |
| 11:24.19 | nyu | used to have om2007 |
| 11:24.28 | beni_ | becjone: i will try that again tonight. lets see what it tells tomorrow. |
| 11:24.40 | nyu | how do you update u-boot? |
| 11:24.51 | beni_ | nyu: if you look below the battery, there you can find the productin date |
| 11:25.04 | beni_ | nyu: you must flash it with dfu-util |
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| 11:25.14 | beni_ | but thats very straightforward. |
| 11:25.23 | nyu | beni_: yeah, but where do I get the images from? |
| 11:26.01 | nyu | 20080603 |
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| 11:26.37 | Daramarak | beni_ is the suspend still acting up? |
| 11:27.31 | nyu | beni_: the instructions in www.openmoko.org suggest that I simply flash om2008 without touching the bootloader |
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| 11:28.50 | beni_ | nyu: http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin |
| 11:28.52 | beni_ | try that |
| 11:29.07 | nyu | do I _really_ want to flash things from a directory named "daily" ? |
| 11:29.07 | beni_ | this is th latest uboot build from tonight |
| 11:29.24 | beni_ | as far as i know, uboot is not touched that often. |
| 11:29.35 | nyu | can one recover from a broken uboot flash? |
| 11:29.40 | [df] | nyu: the stock uboot worked fine for me with 2008.9 |
| 11:29.43 | beni_ | some months ago i nearly flashed uboot daily and never got a problem |
| 11:29.43 | nyu | without devel board |
| 11:29.56 | beni_ | Daramarak: yes, manual suspend works fine |
| 11:29.58 | nyu | [df]: which production date? |
| 11:30.05 | [df] | hang on... |
| 11:30.33 | beni_ | Daramarak: it just looks like if my FR woke up tonight and freezed somewhere in the morning |
| 11:30.55 | beni_ | Daramarak: it is okay that it didnt reenter suspend since i deactivated that. |
| 11:31.15 | [df] | you can recover a broken uboot on the freerunner without a debug board, apparently |
| 11:31.22 | [df] | there's a failsafe in NOR |
| 11:31.31 | beni_ | GPS is deactivated if the phone suspends, which is very.... not so nice if you do GPS tracking frequently. so i suspend manually. |
| 11:31.34 | [df] | (I haven't tried though) |
| 11:31.51 | [df] | production date is 2008 07 22 |
| 11:31.56 | beni_ | [df]: its just booting into NOR and flashing NAND from there. |
| 11:32.17 | [df] | ah right, which is how you flash it anyway? |
| 11:32.24 | beni_ | [df]: its no difference in flashing uboot, except that you must press different buttons to turn the device on. |
| 11:32.29 | [df] | cool |
| 11:32.50 | Daramarak | beni_ The FR is a very intelligent device, who knows what it is doing while you are asleep :) |
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| 11:33.23 | beni_ | Daramarak: i hope nothing i am not aware of. but since it has no SIM card inserted and there is no WLAN around, it at least cant phone home. |
| 11:33.28 | beni_ | i hope so.... |
| 11:33.42 | beni_ | maybe there is some sort of GPS-tunnel where it watches porn at night... |
| 11:33.48 | nyu | [df]: kay, no reason to risk it.. |
| 11:35.17 | Daramarak | beni_: It hacks some emergency line, uses GPRS through it, and releases a DOS attack on M$ |
| 11:37.56 | becjone | Daramarak: :D |
| 11:38.14 | becjone | Daramarak: so that is why the battry is out in the morning |
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| 11:38.59 | mwester-trip | is impressed by the imagination of openmoko-ers |
| 11:39.02 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. |
| 11:39.36 | mwester-trip | suspects that SpeedEvil has a large document of FAQ responses from which he can cut and paste ;) :D |
| 11:39.47 | beni_ | max_posedon: hes a bot i think |
| 11:40.03 | beni_ | :P |
| 11:40.10 | SpeedEvil | beni_: How does that make you feel? |
| 11:40.15 | mwester-trip | SpeedEvil: ~botsnack |
| 11:40.18 | mwester-trip | :p |
| 11:40.38 | SpeedEvil | eats mwester-trip's sole. |
| 11:40.39 | max_posedon | beni_, what you want from me?) |
| 11:40.58 | mwester-trip | looks at his damaged shoes... |
| 11:41.01 | beni_ | with suspend i got about 3 days recently, but that was at FSO |
| 11:41.08 | beni_ | max_posedon: sorry, meant mwester |
| 11:41.14 | beni_ | just typed m<tab> |
| 11:41.47 | nyu | SpeedEvil: Is it because 3 5 hours of talk time 20h of mp3 playing and a week of standby should be possible that you came to me? |
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| 11:43.07 | becjone | for me it's strange, i did use FDOM (so Om2008.8) for a week without any problem, but now it won't goes to sleep properly |
| 11:44.35 | SpeedEvil | Much of the battery stuff is not finished yet. |
| 11:45.01 | SpeedEvil | looks at the king honey-producing-insect. |
| 11:45.34 | beni_ | is there a usable mediaplayer (for listening to mp3) available yet? |
| 11:46.32 | BDo | is about to think that ogg playback should be easier |
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| 11:46.57 | SpeedEvil | ogg IIRC takes more CPU |
| 11:47.06 | SpeedEvil | mp3 takes 18% of GTA01 at minimum for 128K |
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| 11:48.41 | OdyX | beni_: mplayer ... |
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| 11:48.56 | ptitjes | hi |
| 11:49.28 | L84supper | anyone know where the freerunner schematic and pcb layout files are hosted? all I found were the schematic pdf's and CAD for the enclosure |
| 11:50.00 | SpeedEvil | I don't think they are available. |
| 11:50.08 | SpeedEvil | Only the PDF and CAD |
| 11:50.13 | SpeedEvil | I'd like to be wrong. |
| 11:50.51 | L84supper | so I'd have to recapture and do a new layout from scratch? |
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| 11:51.23 | ptitjes | I've finally built asu image for om-gta01 and flashed my qemu with it |
| 11:51.30 | ptitjes | However the kernel don't start |
| 11:51.37 | SpeedEvil | l: there may also be copyright issues with that. I'm unsure. |
| 11:52.27 | L84supper | maybe I'll have to start an OpenerMoko project ? |
| 11:52.33 | ptitjes | I've got the correct NAND boot menu but when I select "Boot", it checks the kernel image (ok) then writes "Loading kernel image" and reboots |
| 11:52.37 | SpeedEvil | Maybe. |
| 11:52.55 | SpeedEvil | l: have you done any electtronics design before? |
| 11:53.01 | L84supper | oh well, too good to be true |
| 11:53.09 | L84supper | 30+ years |
| 11:53.18 | SpeedEvil | L84supper: bga/... ? |
| 11:53.32 | SpeedEvil | L84supper: one problem may be getting the bits. |
| 11:53.42 | L84supper | yup bga, and tab bonding |
| 11:54.50 | SpeedEvil | Need to get to a fair number to approach the cost of the released device of course. |
| 11:55.10 | L84supper | maybe integrate http://beagleboard.org/ design into openermoko or use freescale imx, would make the graphics issues easier |
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| 11:56.33 | SpeedEvil | Gets really ratehr complex once you get away from 'wouldn't it be nice' type designs :) |
| 11:56.42 | becjone | beni_: for a mediplayer you could try pythm who used mplayer in the background |
| 11:56.51 | L84supper | China sells over 8 million cell phones per month, India not far behind |
| 11:57.06 | becjone | beni_: it's just slow for some manipulation but usable even with finger |
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| 12:01.53 | ptitjes | does someone had this problem too ? |
| 12:02.20 | beni_ | becjone: is there some ipkg? i dont want to compile this manually this time. |
| 12:03.23 | ptitjes | is there a mean to get more informations about the failure of the kernel loading ???? |
| 12:03.44 | beni_ | becjone: found it |
| 12:06.53 | beni_ | becjone: pythm aborts with error |
| 12:06.54 | beni_ | :( |
| 12:06.56 | becjone | ptitjes: yes if you have a debug board |
| 12:07.01 | beni_ | NameError: name 'init' is not defined |
| 12:07.08 | becjone | beni_: change rep to it |
| 12:07.25 | becjone | beni_: and witch version did you tried ? |
| 12:07.38 | becjone | ooops which |
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| 12:08.43 | becjone | beni_: i think i installed from http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/390/pythm_0.5_armv4t.ipk |
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| 12:09.49 | beni_ | becjone: opkg install http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/390/pythm_0.5_armv4t.ipk |
| 12:09.52 | beni_ | thats the line |
| 12:10.03 | beni_ | the same you got |
| 12:10.41 | becjone | strange |
| 12:10.47 | beni_ | looks like some dependancy problem |
| 12:10.54 | beni_ | do i need some libs? |
| 12:11.09 | becjone | beni_: i dont remember if i did tried something manualy |
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| 12:24.33 | Dave | mwester :) |
| 12:26.05 | beni_ | hm, the topic is fairly outdated. |
| 12:26.10 | beni_ | GPS is solved long ago |
| 12:26.27 | beni_ | and Keyboard should be also well known since short after 2008.8 release |
| 12:26.51 | max_posedon | but new users still recive FR with 2007) |
| 12:27.13 | beni_ | ah really? thought 2008 will be shipped now. |
| 12:29.14 | Dave | Wouldn't it be great if nothing shipped with the freerunner? :P |
| 12:31.01 | max_posedon | No, it is bad when you can't test device in shop. |
| 12:31.38 | leinir | ...where did you find a freerunner in a shop? ;) |
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| 12:32.56 | max_posedon | in Poland, in official distibutor, ( http://www.mobilesolutions.pl/ ) |
| 12:33.18 | max_posedon | extualy, I even come from Belarus, to Poland and buy device there. |
| 12:34.49 | Dave | naughty leinirs |
| 12:35.17 | Dave | we likeses them >:) |
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| 12:36.10 | Tig| | beni_: the keyboard might be known to most of us on here but we still get people coming in and asking about the pin prompt :) |
| 12:36.15 | leinir | *giggles* :) |
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| 12:46.05 | jitu3485 | hi, do openmoko platform have support for inotify-tools, |
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| 12:48.12 | lindi- | jitu3485: inotify is nothing hardware related i think |
| 12:48.31 | jitu3485 | lindi-, yes |
| 12:49.18 | ceda | which browser do you guys use on your phones? |
| 12:49.29 | bumbl | minimo |
| 12:49.40 | beni_ | jitu3485: inotify is kernel stuff and included afaik |
| 12:49.48 | ceda | I've got a minimo_0.02+cvs20070626-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 12:49.54 | ceda | bumbl: that one? ^ |
| 12:49.55 | beni_ | try something with pythons inotify bindings |
| 12:50.18 | bumbl | ceda: yeah could be that one |
| 12:50.44 | ceda | bumbl: opkg list_installed | grep minimo would tell you which version you're using |
| 12:50.51 | ceda | or tell me :) |
| 12:51.22 | bumbl | ceda: i know |
| 12:51.39 | bumbl | but i am locally seperated from my freerunner at the moment |
| 12:52.31 | ceda | Alignment trap: starling (1932) PC=0x409e9884 Instr=0x15843000 Address=0xbef691f3 FSR 0x813 |
| 12:52.39 | raster | ran away with bumbl's FR |
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| 12:53.44 | bumbl | rzr: |
| 12:53.48 | bumbl | ah damn |
| 12:53.53 | bumbl | raster: :D |
| 12:53.59 | rzr | bumbl: you're welcome |
| 12:54.05 | bumbl | sorry rzr |
| 12:54.27 | rzr | is about to sumbit a patch for opkg, where to do this ? in some mailing list ? |
| 12:54.55 | bumbl | raster: and how is illume doing? have you updated your enlightenment.org images? |
| 12:55.08 | bumbl | rzr: docs.openmoko.org |
| 12:55.10 | bumbl | i think |
| 12:55.23 | bumbl | or devel mailinglist |
| 12:55.54 | bumbl | but i think i have read that no one is maintaining opkg at the moment |
| 12:56.37 | raster | bumbl: ummm illume is ok |
| 12:56.41 | Dave | bumble :) |
| 12:56.42 | raster | its got a little bit of work done |
| 12:56.49 | raster | not much - been busy with other things |
| 12:56.51 | Dave | Hello raster :) |
| 12:57.09 | rzr | bumbl: ok will do |
| 12:57.18 | bumbl | Davey |
| 12:58.10 | raster | Dave: moo |
| 12:58.16 | cga | ciao folks. Dave not included |
| 13:00.11 | cga | has got to study some workflows for a job interview and has no will to do it :| |
| 13:00.26 | bumbl | cga: think of the money |
| 13:00.31 | Dave | MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 13:00.32 | cga | eh =) |
| 13:00.52 | Dave | money flows, then disappears in the US, apparently. |
| 13:01.04 | Dave | shitty economy :D |
| 13:01.34 | cga | bumbl: not only the money i think (improvement of 300â¬, clean. already taxed) i think also that with this job i'll switch from windows to linux. but today i'm really down. |
| 13:02.18 | bumbl | Dave: money usally disappears in switzerland :p |
| 13:02.24 | RedFlash | lol |
| 13:02.30 | cga | wasn't that Cayman Islands? |
| 13:02.48 | bumbl | yeah cayan islands too |
| 13:03.06 | bumbl | *cayman |
| 13:03.51 | bumbl | cga: have a cup of nice Italian coffee and everything will be ok |
| 13:04.02 | cga | good idea. i'll make it white cofee |
| 13:04.06 | cga | *coffee |
| 13:04.29 | raster | Dave: shitty profiteering wallstreet fat cats and government officials profiting from eachothers back-scratching |
| 13:04.40 | cga | bumbl: i also have lighted a very good incense that smells really nice. |
| 13:04.54 | cga | raster: are you in oz atm? |
| 13:04.57 | rooly | i'm glad i live in louisiana |
| 13:05.05 | raster | cga: yups |
| 13:05.06 | rooly | we don't care so much about money |
| 13:05.21 | cga | raster: can you find me a job and a skilled migration visa? :P |
| 13:05.35 | raster | jbos here? |
| 13:05.36 | rooly | heads out to school |
| 13:05.38 | cga | wants to emigrate to oz |
| 13:05.39 | raster | u wnt to be an admin? |
| 13:05.45 | cga | would be cool |
| 13:05.52 | raster | oz is a baby-sitter country |
| 13:05.58 | raster | u get jobs baby-sitting servers |
| 13:05.58 | cga | ? |
| 13:06.00 | raster | not much else |
| 13:06.02 | cga | arf |
| 13:06.05 | cga | that sucks |
| 13:06.07 | raster | (sys admin) |
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| 13:06.41 | cga | well i can do other things like help desk and operation or application management. |
| 13:07.01 | raster | probably have jobs for that |
| 13:07.12 | raster | not that i know too much |
| 13:07.22 | cga | next job will eventually (if tomorrow i manage to pass the last interview) be operation on *nix back-ends |
| 13:07.25 | raster | i dont pay attention to the job market here beyond snickering at it every now and again |
| 13:07.50 | cga | eh i understand |
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| 13:08.49 | bumbl | raster: you get job offers and don't have to apply i think? |
| 13:08.51 | cga | raster: sorry for asking but... did you leave japan for good? |
| 13:09.52 | raster | bumbl: kind of |
| 13:10.11 | raster | or more - i get them.. but eith the exception of 1 - from everywhere else in the world |
| 13:10.13 | raster | not .au |
| 13:10.14 | raster | :) |
| 13:10.23 | raster | cga: yup. moved out. why? |
| 13:11.05 | cga | raster: just out of curiosity |
| 13:11.20 | raster | "been there. done that" |
| 13:11.24 | cga | eh |
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| 13:12.37 | bumbl | Dave: why are you not in openmoko-offtopic any more? |
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| 13:42.34 | nyu | my SD card socket seems broken |
| 13:42.41 | nyu | I push it down, and it won't stay |
| 13:42.46 | nyu | any idea what to do |
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| 13:42.53 | kth5 | tape? :) |
| 13:42.53 | swc|666 | u have to bend the hinges |
| 13:43.06 | swc|666 | *carefully* |
| 13:43.07 | nyu | swc|666: inwards or outwards? |
| 13:43.12 | swc|666 | in |
| 13:43.33 | swc|666 | i bent one of mine |
| 13:43.37 | swc|666 | works fine now |
| 13:43.49 | nyu | you mean the ones at the end of the platform? |
| 13:44.02 | swc|666 | the piece that pops up |
| 13:44.16 | swc|666 | there are grooves on the edges that fasten |
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| 13:44.39 | nyu | is there any picture of that? |
| 13:44.50 | swc|666 | dunno |
| 13:44.58 | nyu | ah, finally |
| 13:45.05 | swc|666 | just look at it without the card in it |
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| 13:57.18 | rzr | bumbl: if it matters my opkg patch https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2033 |
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| 13:59.34 | warlock | re |
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| 14:00.33 | bumbl | rzr: thank you but I don't have access to openmoko's svn repo |
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| 14:01.17 | rzr | bumbl: ok nevermind someone will notice it soon or later :) |
| 14:01.34 | bumbl | yes I hope so |
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| 14:40.02 | Dave | It's quiet... too quiet... |
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| 14:40.11 | raster | shhhhh! |
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| 15:01.03 | fredrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.08 | fredrin | aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 15:01.10 | fredrin | fuck |
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| 15:01.43 | fredrin | stupid space |
| 15:02.38 | ieatlint | hey, that's not nice, i don't call your friends stupid |
| 15:02.41 | Dave | :P |
| 15:02.48 | Dave | stupid lint |
| 15:02.57 | max_posedon | fredrin, actualy !two! stupid spaces) |
| 15:03.10 | Dave | apt eyeopener ieatlint |
| 15:03.13 | Dave | ;p |
| 15:03.34 | fredrin | max_posedon: two times more n00bish then :p |
| 15:03.57 | Dave | So has anybody compiled wesnoth yet? :p |
| 15:04.12 | fredrin | what's that? |
| 15:05.26 | bumbl | Dave: yes |
| 15:05.33 | bumbl | search the mailinglist |
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| 15:06.44 | Dave | uggh :p |
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| 15:07.51 | zash | google [ wesnoth site:lists.openmoko.org ] |
| 15:09.32 | bumbl | Dave: I would do that for you |
| 15:09.43 | bumbl | but I hate using elinks for research work |
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| 15:14.21 | Dave | :P |
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| 15:14.37 | Dave | zash it! |
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| 15:17.20 | wurp2|working | Wesnoth on my neo; my kids will finally think I'm cool. |
| 15:17.25 | wurp2|working | For about an hour. |
| 15:17.50 | nyu | heh |
| 15:18.40 | bumbl | hehe |
| 15:18.51 | kth5 | gens is way cooler :) |
| 15:18.59 | bumbl | i haven't played weshnot |
| 15:19.08 | kth5 | with a bluetooth ps3 pad the neo rocks :P |
| 15:19.22 | bumbl | i don't even spell it correct |
| 15:19.34 | bumbl | but freeciv on the neo would be cool |
| 15:19.54 | wurp2|working | kth5: What programs will work off the bt ps3 pad? |
| 15:20.40 | bumbl | wurp2|working: anything i think |
| 15:21.01 | bumbl | you just have to map the ps3 buttons to keyboard buttons |
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| 15:21.48 | Dave | wurp2|wesnoth |
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| 15:23.42 | kth5 | wurp2|working: i use snes9x and am curently fiddling with gens |
| 15:23.50 | wurp2|working | bumbl: I guess I have to get one now. I assume the driver is for debian? |
| 15:23.59 | kth5 | wurp2|working: http://www.gens.ws |
| 15:24.08 | wurp2|working | Dave: I played a little wesnoth, but my kids got hooked on it |
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| 15:24.15 | wurp2|working | Actually, they like making maps more than playing |
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| 15:24.51 | wurp2|working | kth5: Very nice! |
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| 15:27.38 | Dave | oh really? :p |
| 15:27.45 | Dave | cute |
| 15:27.51 | Dave | wurp, I wanted to try it on the freerunner |
| 15:28.01 | Dave | but I wasn't sure if it was going to be a time blackhole |
| 15:28.34 | wurp2|working | It's turn based, so you can just stop playing if interrupted |
| 15:28.49 | wurp2|working | Each game was maybe 20 min iirc |
| 15:28.50 | Dave | I was more referring to the process of setting it up for/on the freerunner :P |
| 15:29.06 | Dave | Not the actual gameplay, but thanks ;) |
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| 15:31.05 | nyu | yay, hello debian world |
| 15:31.18 | izzyb | Does anyone here actually use the FR as their main cell phone? |
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| 15:31.28 | max_posedon | I'am |
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| 15:32.02 | [df] | I do, as of yesterday |
| 15:32.06 | izzyb | I can't seem to get mine to work reliably. I managed to make 2 test calls to it yesterday but again this morning it wont make or recieve calls |
| 15:32.09 | [df] | time will tell if it lasts |
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| 15:32.31 | izzyb | Is there something I'm doing wrong? I'm running Fdom atm |
| 15:32.59 | Daramarak | Is the FR able to work as a reliable alarmclock now? |
| 15:33.26 | Dave | woooooooo |
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| 15:33.31 | raster | Daramarak: nup. |
| 15:33.37 | max_posedon | izzyb, I'am using qtopia-4.3.3-snapshot |
| 15:33.39 | raster | well not in fso |
| 15:33.42 | raster | or asu |
| 15:33.44 | raster | "at" is brokne |
| 15:33.49 | raster | and doesnt grock rtc wakes |
| 15:34.07 | max_posedon | I haven't any problems, except with not latin characters. |
| 15:34.10 | [df] | max_posedon: is audio quality ok in qtopia? |
| 15:34.12 | raster | i wrote a rtc-aware replacement that uses dbus as the api |
| 15:34.14 | raster | it works |
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| 15:34.22 | wurp2|working | Dave: heh |
| 15:34.26 | raster | except ion fso i know that when i suspend.. my moko wotn wake from suspend |
| 15:34.30 | raster | not even with power button |
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| 15:34.41 | max_posedon | [df], you mean "echo" problem? - fixed in latest 4.3.3-snaphot |
| 15:34.42 | raster | so if it cant do that.. i woudlnt trust it for an alarm |
| 15:34.49 | raster | in fact i wrote an alarm clock app - which si why i needed it |
| 15:35.04 | Dave | wurp, I take it that you have yet to attempt thast |
| 15:35.05 | [df] | max_posedon: someone said it suffered from gsm buzz as well I believe |
| 15:35.17 | wurp2|working | Dave: Yeah, I just now found out that it existed :-) |
| 15:35.27 | shoragan | raster, which kernel? |
| 15:35.27 | Dave | Congratulations! |
| 15:35.31 | Daramarak | raster:To bad, that is maybe the most important task of my current phone :) |
| 15:35.42 | wurp2|working | Dave: I am running qtopia right now. I plan to install debian once I get an 8gb card |
| 15:35.42 | max_posedon | [df], I haven't this problems, as I know it was fixed. |
| 15:35.45 | shoragan | for the last milestone andy's branch had broken suspend, stable was ok |
| 15:35.48 | Dave | Raster, your clock app better not suck as much as the qtopia one. |
| 15:35.52 | nyu | izzyb: I do |
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| 15:35.55 | Dave | heh |
| 15:36.14 | nyu | izzyb: but I just installed debian, so this might change ;-) |
| 15:36.15 | [df] | I think I'll have to give qtopia a try |
| 15:36.23 | raster | Dave: dude... u'd like it |
| 15:36.25 | raster | :) |
| 15:36.26 | nyu | qtopia looks stable |
| 15:36.29 | Dave | Good shit! |
| 15:36.33 | Dave | :) |
| 15:36.36 | raster | wonders if he should do some videos of it... |
| 15:36.38 | wurp2|working | nyu: qtopia has been stable for me |
| 15:36.54 | Dave | There is always much anticipation and excitement surrounding raster's releases. |
| 15:37.19 | shoragan | raster, where do you have the sources for your at replacement? |
| 15:37.37 | nyu | debian uses FSO stack, right? |
| 15:37.38 | raster | shoragan: in e's svn |
| 15:37.46 | raster | shoragan: TMP/st/alarm/ |
| 15:37.47 | shoragan | k |
| 15:37.49 | Dave | nice |
| 15:37.50 | raster | i called it "wake" |
| 15:37.52 | raster | waked |
| 15:37.56 | Dave | har |
| 15:37.56 | nyu | I can't dial using that. when I press '9' I get two of them |
| 15:37.59 | raster | it runs as the user not root so its a session bus |
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| 15:38.06 | Dave | ooh la la |
| 15:38.11 | raster | it unfortunatelyt has no way to gain root privde to do rtc stuff |
| 15:38.18 | raster | so it works only because oe/om uses root |
| 15:38.20 | Dave | oh well, it's still cool |
| 15:38.23 | raster | but i can fix that |
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| 15:39.18 | sicu | convinces raster to do some videos of it... |
| 15:39.28 | sylar91 | hi all, is there a method to edit the devtools menu? |
| 15:39.28 | wurp2|working | nyu: You get two 9s when you press 9 in zhone? |
| 15:39.34 | Dave | more freerunner porn? |
| 15:39.58 | Dave | haha, wurp, that sounds awesomely annoying :D |
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| 15:40.15 | shoragan | raster, if you use the frameworkd, you can set the rtc-wakeup via odeviced |
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| 15:40.31 | Dave | Raster's a rebel :p |
| 15:40.42 | wurp2|working | Dave: for maximum annoyance, it should only happen 80% of the time |
| 15:40.50 | Dave | hahaha oh god |
| 15:40.55 | Dave | Even more annoying! |
| 15:41.08 | wurp2|working | If it happens 100% of the time people will give up & use something else |
| 15:41.10 | Dave | gawd, that takes me back to my OS class |
| 15:41.17 | wurp2|working | 80% and you can string them along for ages |
| 15:41.21 | nyu | wurp2|working: yep |
| 15:41.30 | wurp2|working | nyu: :-( |
| 15:41.39 | wurp2|working | fso has been nothing but good for me |
| 15:41.43 | wurp2|working | But I've only run ms 1 :-) |
| 15:41.44 | Dave | where we'd get a DIFFERENT trap frame error, only 60% of the time for one and 40% of the time for the other |
| 15:41.49 | Dave | and they overlapped |
| 15:41.50 | Dave | haha |
| 15:42.08 | wurp2|working | Those are the funnest |
| 15:42.12 | Dave | wurp, I was about to say... |
| 15:42.19 | Dave | You couldn't be running FSOv3 then :P |
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| 15:42.28 | Dave | You would have surely had more complaints. |
| 15:42.29 | Dave | ;) |
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| 15:42.41 | wurp2|working | Dave: No, I always wait until I see reports good or bad on the release |
| 15:42.52 | Dave | And what was your opinion of this release? |
| 15:42.54 | wurp2|working | And I saw almost nothing but bad re: ms 3 :-( |
| 15:43.01 | Dave | heh, yeah |
| 15:43.02 | Dave | :P |
| 15:43.13 | wurp2|working | I have no personal opinion. It sounded like a waste of time |
| 15:43.17 | Dave | Meanwhile, we've got mickeyl screaming about how awesome the API is... |
| 15:43.22 | Dave | yep |
| 15:43.24 | wurp2|working | And not one I could do when I was supposed to be working, like chatting here is |
| 15:43.25 | mickey|tw | well |
| 15:43.28 | Dave | haha |
| 15:43.32 | mickey|tw | will no longer release ui images |
| 15:43.33 | Dave | rut roh |
| 15:43.34 | wurp2|working | The api is awesome |
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| 15:43.37 | mickey|tw | that's what you gte |
| 15:43.42 | Dave | hahaha |
| 15:43.43 | mickey|tw | console rockz |
| 15:43.46 | Dave | gee, thanks a lot :P |
| 15:43.46 | wurp2|working | mickey|tw: :-( |
| 15:43.54 | mickey|tw | it's much better |
| 15:43.59 | wurp2|working | quickdev is working on an FSO client |
| 15:43.59 | mickey|tw | it's a chance to leverage your own creativity |
| 15:44.03 | mickey|tw | building a platform |
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| 15:44.07 | raster | shoragan: i just ioctl'd /dev/rtc :) |
| 15:44.08 | mickey|tw | not imposing our idea of UI |
| 15:44.13 | raster | but thats not really the problem |
| 15:44.16 | alphaone | You guys need to start getting shr in a usable shape ;-) |
| 15:44.19 | raster | the problem is it doesnt wake up at all after suspend |
| 15:44.32 | wurp2|working | And dialer3 is a fso gui that's mostly done :-/ |
| 15:44.35 | shoragan | raster, some kernels have broken resume |
| 15:44.37 | Dave | MOSTLY |
| 15:44.44 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 15:44.58 | Dave | You're not fooling anyone, Ainulindale :p |
| 15:45.06 | shoragan | but others do work ;) |
| 15:45.07 | wurp2|working | alphaone: You sound as if you're volunteering! |
| 15:45.11 | alphaone | wurp2|working: What were the complaints wrt ms3? |
| 15:45.11 | Dave | alphaone, I agree. |
| 15:45.15 | Dave | wurp, hahaha |
| 15:45.20 | Dave | Alphaone, quick, it's a trap! |
| 15:45.31 | raster | shoragan: it worked with asu... |
| 15:45.33 | alphaone | wurp2|working: Haha, no I'll stay below my dbus blanket |
| 15:45.38 | raster | so it must be a new thing inf fso... |
| 15:45.39 | wurp2|working | alphaone: smses never came in, or took hours to be noticed |
| 15:45.43 | Dave | heehee |
| 15:45.43 | alphaone | Still some things to do in ogsmd and ogpsd |
| 15:45.59 | shoragan | raster, are you sure it was the same kernel? |
| 15:46.07 | alphaone | wurp2|working: Oh |
| 15:46.26 | alphaone | If it helps we should support UCS2 completely soon |
| 15:46.42 | Dave | hah |
| 15:46.50 | shoragan | andy said resume stability is influenced by having some printk's |
| 15:46.56 | shoragan | or leaving them out :/ |
| 15:47.02 | Dave | strange |
| 15:47.05 | wurp2|working | shoragan: awesome |
| 15:47.08 | wurp2|working | shoragan: heisenbug |
| 15:47.19 | shoragan | yep |
| 15:47.44 | Dave | The fact that you know about them altered the state of the universe. |
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| 15:48.34 | wurp2|working | alphaone: Our hang up appears to just be in the gui |
| 15:48.54 | shoragan | wurp2|working, can you reproduce it? |
| 15:48.55 | alphaone | wurp2|working: ? |
| 15:49.34 | wurp2|working | And the fact that either each person that works on it wants to rewrite parts of it, or the underlying bits change faster than shr people change dialer3 :-( |
| 15:49.47 | Dave | yeah |
| 15:49.50 | wurp2|working | alphaone: Just getting someone to do work in the gui faster than other things change |
| 15:49.53 | Dave | it totally sounds like gang/turf wars to me |
| 15:49.58 | mickey|tw | sorry, but's that untrue |
| 15:50.06 | Dave | mickeyl? |
| 15:50.07 | mickey|tw | OTAPI has been pretty stable since months |
| 15:50.11 | wurp2|working | mickey|tw: I'm talking about changes to lfg |
| 15:50.14 | mickey|tw | with only light changes |
| 15:50.14 | wurp2|working | mickey|tw: not to the api |
| 15:50.24 | mickey|tw | lg? |
| 15:50.25 | alphaone | lfg? |
| 15:50.35 | wurp2|working | libframework-glib |
| 15:50.42 | alphaone | ah |
| 15:50.44 | Dave | wurp, you've started a feeding frenzy! |
| 15:51.03 | wurp2|working | The problem is not even that it's changing quickly |
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| 15:51.04 | mickey|tw | mmh k, nm then |
| 15:51.14 | wurp2|working | The problem is that dev work on dialer3 is happening so slowly |
| 15:51.24 | wurp2|working | Which I'm not complianing about, just stating |
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| 15:51.34 | wurp2|working | Since I've done essentially nothing on shr myself :-( |
| 15:52.02 | Dave | kd8ikt |
| 15:52.16 | Dave | poor wurp |
| 15:52.16 | alphaone | wurp2|working: I see |
| 15:52.17 | raster | shoragan: no idea - different build trees entirely |
| 15:53.06 | alphaone | Well, getting gobject stuff right can be tricky |
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| 15:53.43 | shoragan | raster, we'll try the current kernel today or tomorrow, hopefully i can then give you a working revision |
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| 15:56.55 | Dave | Torikun |
| 15:57.19 | raster | shoragan: i will. this is from a few days back |
| 15:57.22 | raster | (kernel) |
| 15:57.34 | Torikun | dave! |
| 15:57.51 | Dave | YES |
| 15:58.05 | Dave | Raster, evidently, you have to get with the times! |
| 15:59.20 | MnemonicPunk | Can you include a graphics driver for HTC Magician? ;p *runs* |
| 15:59.42 | alphaone | raster: what's your wakeup service called? |
| 16:00.03 | Dave | waked :p |
| 16:00.15 | alphaone | haha |
| 16:00.22 | raster | alphaone: wake |
| 16:00.23 | raster | :) |
| 16:00.33 | alphaone | It doesn't start with e :-) |
| 16:00.34 | raster | wel wake is a cmd-line client that talks dbus to waked |
| 16:00.37 | raster | its very similar to at |
| 16:00.43 | raster | u can use dbus directly too |
| 16:00.49 | alphaone | okay, nice |
| 16:00.53 | Dave | sounds like my cow program as well |
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| 16:01.03 | Dave | moo communicates with mood |
| 16:01.09 | raster | the only bit i cant "prove" works right now is the rtc wakeup |
| 16:01.09 | alphaone | We talked about requirements for a wakup / alarm API today |
| 16:01.16 | raster | as my moko dont wake up at all |
| 16:01.22 | Dave | :( |
| 16:01.25 | raster | too late |
| 16:01.27 | raster | already did it |
| 16:01.27 | raster | :) |
| 16:01.27 | Dave | He's dead, Jim |
| 16:01.40 | alphaone | I'll post something about it soon on fso-standards and om-devel |
| 16:01.44 | alphaone | raster: Heh :-) |
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| 16:01.51 | raster | its simple |
| 16:01.54 | raster | got Add, Del and List |
| 16:01.57 | raster | u get a job id # back |
| 16:02.00 | raster | 0 == invalid |
| 16:02.05 | raster | time is a 64bit uint |
| 16:02.11 | raster | (seconds sinc jan 1 1970) |
| 16:02.17 | raster | tfor when to shcedule the job |
| 16:02.27 | alphaone | Well, we have something a bit different |
| 16:02.34 | alphaone | Maybe you can comment |
| 16:02.35 | raster | otherwis eu get a priority (unit32) and flags (string) whihc do nothing right now |
| 16:02.43 | raster | and then u provide the content of a shell script to be run |
| 16:02.47 | raster | as a string |
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| 16:03.06 | raster | ie "#!/bin/sh\nmy-cmd" |
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| 16:07.18 | Dave | raster, teach us your weirding way :) |
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| 16:21.53 | raster | and... |
| 16:21.55 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-01.ogg |
| 16:21.57 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-02.ogg |
| 16:21.59 | wurp2|working | lpotter: btw, I still have the issue of qtopia 4.3.2 not honoring my "charging" power management profile |
| 16:21.59 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-03.ogg |
| 16:22.01 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-04.ogg |
| 16:22.33 | wurp2|working | lpotter: (on gta01). However, if I hold the aux button to get the task list, then return to the home screen, it begins honoring my power management profile. |
| 16:22.36 | raster | alarm clock demo app included |
| 16:22.41 | raster | at multiple screen resolutions/dpi's |
| 16:22.46 | raster | exact same config/theme |
| 16:22.51 | raster | same code |
| 16:23.49 | ieatlint | raster, mind if i ask a quick question about edjes... is it possible to display text parts at an angle (eg, a 90 degree angle)? |
| 16:23.50 | playya | i want to have a blender demo |
| 16:24.26 | zash | raster: oh, |
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| 16:24.29 | zash | nice |
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| 16:24.38 | raster | ia unfortunately no - rtation isnt supported in evas |
| 16:24.44 | raster | tho that is going to be added soon |
| 16:24.45 | raster | :) |
| 16:24.48 | neldoreth | bernt: you here? |
| 16:24.57 | ieatlint | well, that's good then :) |
| 16:25.14 | bernt | neldoreth: yes |
| 16:26.01 | neldoreth | bernt: i will qry you with your code that i want to give you back for the invisible shield |
| 16:26.15 | playya | raster, nice. can i have more than one alarm? |
| 16:26.19 | neldoreth | thank you again |
| 16:27.10 | bernt | neldoreth: no matter ;-) |
| 16:27.42 | bernt | I've got my shield .. must find some time to put it on ... |
| 16:28.16 | raster | playya: nup. |
| 16:28.36 | raster | considering i wrote the alarm app in an afternoon... |
| 16:28.42 | raster | a fairly slow one... |
| 16:28.56 | raster | i spent more time wondering how to make the window look like... |
| 16:29.10 | raster | the toolkit i wrote over the preceeding week or 2 |
| 16:29.21 | raster | and then i found at was just being nasty and had to rpelace it |
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| 16:33.11 | playya | is the alarm time one widget or 5? |
| 16:33.46 | raster | 1 |
| 16:33.51 | raster | its a generic clock widget |
| 16:34.03 | raster | can be editable (to set the alarm time) |
| 16:34.06 | raster | or just display time |
| 16:34.11 | raster | (thus it sits and flips) |
| 16:34.17 | raster | animation is all done in edje theme |
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| 16:34.26 | raster | in fact the layout is too |
| 16:34.40 | raster | its got an abstract interface for talking to the widget code |
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| 16:36.48 | baze | hm, illume's layout adapts to screensize very nicely :) |
| 16:36.57 | raster | :) |
| 16:37.05 | raster | elcome to my idea of scalable |
| 16:37.05 | baze | should make a very usable keyboard when rotating to landscape mode |
| 16:37.08 | raster | not just scale everything |
| 16:37.09 | baze | :) |
| 16:37.13 | raster | scale selectively the bits u want |
| 16:37.19 | raster | keep the pixel-perfectness as well |
| 16:37.24 | baze | yeah |
| 16:37.27 | raster | and yes- works landscape too etc. |
| 16:37.28 | baze | looks really nice |
| 16:37.55 | baze | i only miss this rubber-banding when doing the scrolling in the applications list ;) |
| 16:38.18 | raster | rubber banding? |
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| 16:38.56 | baze | you know, when you get to an end (top or bottom) of the apps list, that it flicks back a bit |
| 16:39.06 | raster | hmm |
| 16:39.08 | baze | like a rubber band |
| 16:39.17 | raster | doesnt have any such feature/code |
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| 16:39.20 | raster | it doesnt do it |
| 16:39.24 | raster | it hits the end and stops dead |
| 16:39.42 | Gromgull | In the makefile what are the alternative values for GIT_BRANCH ? |
| 16:39.44 | baze | right |
| 16:39.50 | Gromgull | asu.stable gives me what? |
| 16:40.08 | baze | that's what i mean. i miss this sliding back |
| 16:40.14 | baze | looks a bit better, imho |
| 16:40.35 | raster | its annoyign when u want to actually go to the end |
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| 16:40.39 | raster | it makes it hard |
| 16:40.48 | raster | other than making it feel rubbery |
| 16:40.52 | raster | it doesnt give u anything useful |
| 16:40.55 | baze | true |
| 16:41.04 | raster | so i'm dis-inclined to implement it |
| 16:41.05 | raster | :) |
| 16:41.09 | slaxxin | prolly uses cpu cycles to |
| 16:41.30 | raster | slaxxin: in the scheme of thngs - no more than the rest |
| 16:42.02 | raster | ok |
| 16:42.03 | raster | snoozies |
| 16:42.22 | slaxxin | i have me sdcards now i need a new qtopia |
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| 16:58.40 | Dave | heh qtopia |
| 16:58.56 | Gnutoo | strange...big buck bunny isn't out of sync but gta4 trailer is(on the openmoko with the mplayer 1.0rc2) |
| 16:59.39 | Gnutoo | and mplayer exits before the end... |
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| 17:05.09 | Dave | o_O |
| 17:05.14 | Dave | what what what? |
| 17:06.06 | kth5 | how do i do the factory reset in uboot on a neo1973? looks like i somehow got rid of the menu option |
| 17:06.22 | Dave | :p |
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| 17:09.56 | slaxxin | hay dave |
| 17:10.04 | slaxxin | super davr |
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| 17:11.52 | slaxxin | where dave? |
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| 17:12.14 | bove | hi! must I do anything special to play an mp3 file with madplay? |
| 17:12.36 | bove | I get "audio: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy" |
| 17:14.59 | slaxxin | i was thinking qtopia release |
| 17:15.08 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.46 | mickey|tw | killall pulseaudio |
| 17:15.49 | mickey|tw | then try again |
| 17:16.16 | bove | cool! |
| 17:16.18 | bove | thanks |
| 17:19.29 | toggles_w | anyone able to build fso from scratch? i keep getting an issue with /desktop-file-utils-native_0.14.bb |
| 17:19.30 | bove | so what sound system is actually in use ten? |
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| 17:23.28 | Daramarak | Is it possible to adjust the volume on the FR on 2008.8? |
| 17:24.15 | slaxxin | alsamixer |
| 17:24.45 | slaxxin | but its scary |
| 17:25.16 | Daramarak | through gui? |
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| 17:25.50 | bove | alsamixer is "GUI" |
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| 17:26.59 | Daramarak | hehe, ok. |
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| 17:27.34 | slaxxin | run it cli |
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| 17:28.15 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * recbc555faa74 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade exposure on marek's request |
| 17:28.15 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r5d82af2feda2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia with various "search changes" |
| 17:28.40 | Daramarak | Kind of awkward when you are on the phone with someone |
| 17:29.03 | bove | he |
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| 17:29.20 | bove | how can I transfer sound to headphones |
| 17:29.21 | bove | ? |
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| 17:31.04 | nyu | where's the ringtone in a qtopia? |
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| 17:36.17 | max_posedon | nyu, in "Profile" |
| 17:38.53 | bernt | I want to change the font of a gtk.combo_box_new_text (python with pygtk and pango). |
| 17:38.54 | bernt | But if I use the following code: |
| 17:38.54 | bernt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.54 | bernt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.54 | bernt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.55 | bernt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.57 | bernt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:38.59 | bernt | I get a warning with Attempting to add a widget with type GtkCellView to a container of type GtkAlignment ... |
| 17:39.02 | bernt | What should I change? |
| 17:39.04 | wurp2|working | bove: alsactl -f /path/to/state/files/gsmheadset.state restore |
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| 17:39.18 | wurp2|working | where /path/to/state/files/ is something like /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios |
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| 17:44.48 | bove | thsnks |
| 17:44.57 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r3d55eed21bfa 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: |
| 17:44.58 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix SimRetrieveMessage and remove some unneeded code. |
| 17:44.58 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Patch by dv_mlist@verizon.net, thanks! |
| 17:44.58 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This closes FSO Ticket #153 |
| 17:44.59 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rf60b9e85d0ac 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/convert.py: ogsmd: Fix calculating the timezone for the SCTS and VP field |
| 17:45.02 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03hadara 07framework * r5c1cfd6b58f7 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/convert.py: |
| 17:45.05 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix bug in bcd_decode when an address is empty |
| 17:45.07 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: When you have SMS messages with empty sender address the bcd_decode() |
| 17:45.09 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: function will fail since it expects string to be at least 1 char long. |
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| 17:45.57 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This patch fixes it. |
| 17:45.57 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Thanks to hadara@bsd.ee! This fixes FSO Ticket #145 |
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| 17:48.10 | bove | wurp2|working: The onphone speaker muted, but I get no sound in the earphones. Guess it could be just the adapter not working |
| 17:48.36 | bove | its a stere 2.5 to 3.5 adaptor |
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| 17:53.19 | donomo | 2008.9 goes to sleep, how do i wake it? a power button press doesnt seem to do it |
| 17:54.03 | bove | I've been experiencing the same problem |
| 17:55.13 | viq | try calling it ;) |
| 17:55.47 | donomo | yooo hoooo! |
| 17:56.19 | bove | Im using a "dead" sim card in the freerunner at the |
| 17:56.26 | bove | time |
| 17:56.29 | donomo | ive been using no sim card |
| 17:56.57 | bove | ? I dind't actually know it could run without a sim card :P |
| 17:57.15 | donomo | it does |
| 17:57.24 | bove | seems fair |
| 17:58.19 | izzyb | I've installed qtopia in an effort to get stable performance from my FR, but It still isn't working for me. After flashing it, I was able to dial out, but had a dialing error and got an automated message from the phone company. I haven't been able to make a call since. I've rebooted it a couple of times, and even changed sim cards but it just doesn't want to work for me. I'm starting to think I have a bad unit, problem with my sim |
| 17:58.19 | izzyb | card or problem with my carrier. Any thoughts? |
| 17:58.23 | bove | I've just disabled suspend, as I have no need for it when not using it as a phone |
| 17:59.11 | donomo | bove: is that a configuration option? |
| 17:59.35 | bove | go to settings and press suspend |
| 17:59.44 | donomo | izzyb: i have yet to get a usable phone from 2007.x 2008.x or FSO. |
| 18:00.48 | izzyb | I've tried 2008.8 and .9, fdom, and now qtopia |
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| 18:00.59 | donomo | id be happy with a curses interface if it could reliably make and take calls. |
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| 18:01.34 | lindi- | TAsn: i think i figured out #151! |
| 18:01.39 | Dave | :) |
| 18:02.06 | Dave | izzyb, and how were they? |
| 18:02.08 | Dave | :p |
| 18:03.33 | Dave | Lindi, what's going on? |
| 18:03.40 | TAsn | lindi-, ?! how ;] |
| 18:03.46 | Dave | HOW!? WHAT!? WHERE!? |
| 18:03.51 | Dave | Omg Tasn |
| 18:04.07 | TAsn | Dave, OMG!!! |
| 18:04.12 | Dave | ONEONEONE |
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| 18:04.17 | TAsn | lindi-, what is it?! ;] |
| 18:04.27 | izzyb | Didn't see much difference between 2008.8 and .9, fdom is basicly the same but with more apps installed. qtopia is noticeably more polished looking. But non of them seem to make the device usable :( |
| 18:04.47 | TAsn | I think i just forgot the voice distortion app on ;] |
| 18:05.07 | TAsn | next time im going on a killing spree i will surely remember leaving a note to turn that off ;] |
| 18:05.17 | Dave | bah |
| 18:05.49 | TAsn | lindi-, just saw your comment |
| 18:05.56 | TAsn | sounds interesting enough. |
| 18:06.06 | TAsn | got anywhere to read from about AT commands? |
| 18:06.24 | Obri | gaga |
| 18:06.41 | Obri | sorry, wrong window |
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| 18:08.07 | wurp2|working | bove: Is it the motorola adapter? |
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| 18:09.06 | bove | well, its a brandless "Home Cinema 2.5 to 3.5 stereo adapter" bought from a gadget store |
| 18:09.30 | izzyb | Is this device actually usable as a phone? ie does it reliably make and receive phone calls for anyone? |
| 18:10.04 | izzyb | or is it just a toy for hacking on? |
| 18:10.56 | lindi- | TAsn: the command is proprietary TI command |
| 18:11.06 | lindi- | TAsn: i don't think there are any official specs we could see |
| 18:11.17 | lindi- | TAsn: can you verify if it fixes the voice issue for you? |
| 18:11.45 | TAsn | i can, though not now ;[ |
| 18:11.57 | TAsn | i have to go soon and i promised my brother i will finish something for him. |
| 18:12.05 | TAsn | though by tomorrow i think i will have time to confirm. |
| 18:12.08 | TAsn | thanks a lot. |
| 18:12.22 | Tm_T | izzyb: yes, it's also a phone |
| 18:12.22 | TAsn | how should i test it? run mickey's terminal? |
| 18:13.27 | izzyb | k, so then I should be able to reliably make and receive calls with it. so what tests can I use to verify if my problem is software or hardware? |
| 18:13.47 | izzyb | at this point I'm starting to think I have a bad unit and am considering getting it replaced |
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| 18:14.26 | izzyb | but I don't want to wast a bunch of peoples time and resources if its just a luser error on my part |
| 18:15.59 | lindi- | TAsn: just change frameworkd to use the command |
| 18:16.34 | TAsn | i see. |
| 18:16.42 | TAsn | that's the file? |
| 18:16.49 | lindi- | grep is running :) |
| 18:17.04 | lindi- | i'm now planning to migrate to work as non-root |
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| 18:18.30 | TAsn | lindi-, that's too soon (i think) |
| 18:18.42 | gregdude | TASn: the AT codes are up on teh wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_and_Neo_FreeRunner_gsm_modem |
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| 18:18.54 | Dave | zomg |
| 18:19.05 | Dave | Someone should write a short story about the freerunner |
| 18:19.20 | TAsn | gregdude, nice! thanks. |
| 18:19.48 | lindi- | TAsn: why too soon? |
| 18:19.57 | lindi- | i already would benefit a lot from it |
| 18:20.08 | TAsn | lindi-, like what? |
| 18:20.22 | gregdude | TAsn, good luck with them, I had them on my mind all week with this code I'm hacking (up) now... |
| 18:20.39 | TAsn | ;] |
| 18:20.44 | TAsn | gregdude, what are you hacking anyway? |
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| 18:22.00 | gregdude | TAsn, some code to record GSM tower (cell, signal, etc..) info together with GPS. Trying to find locations of GSM towers and use them to have quick GSM positioning.... |
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| 18:22.19 | TAsn | gregdude, i see, cool ;] |
| 18:22.39 | TAsn | though i think the framework already supplies tower info, no need for AT commands. |
| 18:22.41 | gregdude | TAsn, Not very reliable, but usually within about 200m of the real position.... |
| 18:22.53 | TAsn | gregdude, i know about it. |
| 18:23.00 | lindi- | TAsn: like not getting warning in minimo |
| 18:23.07 | TAsn | used it in my no-gps nokia 6680 for a while. |
| 18:23.08 | lindi- | TAsn: not having to be so careful with commands |
| 18:23.13 | TAsn | lindi-, you get a warning? |
| 18:23.18 | TAsn | lindi-, being careful is a bitch. |
| 18:23.28 | lindi- | TAsn: being able to keep my private data in my home directory so that i can share my openmoko backups to rest of the internet |
| 18:23.44 | lindi- | TAsn: yeah minimo constantly shows a warning |
| 18:23.44 | TAsn | also letting someone play with your phone may result in a |
| 18:23.51 | TAsn | cd / && rm -rf * |
| 18:23.51 | TAsn | ;] |
| 18:23.54 | lindi- | TAsn: i only share the backups |
| 18:23.58 | TAsn | lindi-, i never saw one. |
| 18:24.17 | lindi- | but at the moment i don't know where programs write data |
| 18:24.19 | TAsn | lucky me i used the matchbox keyboard last time someone tried it. |
| 18:24.33 | lindi- | TAsn: so it's hard to reproduce bugs since i don't know exactly where the programs change things |
| 18:24.41 | lindi- | TAsn: some programs could edit /etc directly when run as root |
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| 18:25.21 | TAsn | lindi-, that is correct. |
| 18:25.48 | lindi- | TAsn: and i would like to have my settings in .xsession and not some mysterious /etc/init.d/lindi-session :PP |
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| 18:26.16 | TAsn | ;] |
| 18:26.56 | nyu | where's the qtopia Profile directory? |
| 18:27.12 | lindi- | TAsn: this is what i mean :-) |
| 18:28.49 | bove | alsactl -f headset.state puts sound in the right channel only. no other states gives me anything |
| 18:30.18 | lindi- | TAsn: /usr/share/python-support/fso-frameworkd/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: c.append( "%CBHZ=1" ) # home zone cell broadcast: enable |
| 18:30.24 | Dave | zomg |
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| 18:30.35 | lindi- | TAsn: says "dpkg -L fso-frameworkd|xargs grep CBHZ" |
| 18:30.40 | bove | and the sound is really thin like its a line signal or something |
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| 18:33.16 | gregdude | lindi-, this might be the discussion leading to that CBHZ: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-devel/2008/7/14/2467794/thread |
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| 18:34.35 | lindi- | gregdude: hmm |
| 18:34.42 | lindi- | gregdude: do you have any insight knowledge on this? ;) |
| 18:35.15 | gregdude | lindi-, i'm sorrry, I cannot say I have.... |
| 18:36.05 | lindi- | gregdude: ok |
| 18:36.23 | lindi- | gregdude: since i don't understand how CBHZ could have anything to do with audio quality |
| 18:36.29 | lindi- | gregdude: but it is very audible difference here |
| 18:36.36 | lindi- | (yes, i made multiple test calls) |
| 18:37.28 | gregdude | than i was just a foo, sorry :) |
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| 18:38.00 | Dave | lindi, does it? |
| 18:38.05 | Dave | what's the problem? |
| 18:38.11 | lindi- | Dave: fso bug #151 |
| 18:38.53 | Dave | I take it that it's not particularly amusing? |
| 18:39.19 | lindi- | Dave: ? |
| 18:39.30 | AJuOnLiNE | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.32 | lindi- | Dave: it's very difficult to understand what the other party is saying |
| 18:39.44 | Dave | :( |
| 18:39.46 | Dave | That's the worst. |
| 18:39.53 | Dave | or when they don't supply enough info. |
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| 18:41.24 | lindi- | Dave: who don't? |
| 18:43.45 | Dave | :P |
| 18:43.55 | Dave | haha you sound like one of the bug submitters now :P |
| 18:44.11 | lindi- | Dave: yes i am trying to fix it |
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| 18:47.45 | Dave | go go lindi! |
| 18:47.55 | lindi- | Dave: huh? |
| 18:48.07 | lindi- | edistar: how do you start your xfce? |
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| 19:18.42 | hossi_ | someone who use ubuntu having problem to reach internet from your FR connected to your comp via usb |
| 19:19.03 | spydon | Would it be theoretically possible for the freerunner to run android? |
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| 19:19.47 | [df] | theoretically, certainly |
| 19:20.08 | GiggleLoop_ | howdy all |
| 19:20.12 | playya | hossi_, whats your problem? |
| 19:20.22 | spydon | but no one have managed to do it yet? |
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| 19:20.49 | [df] | is the android source even available yet? |
| 19:20.59 | spydon | I have no idea :P |
| 19:21.24 | mjr | no |
| 19:21.31 | [df] | tbh I've been a bit disappointed with the way android is being run |
| 19:21.34 | mjr | well at least not free |
| 19:21.36 | mjr | yeah |
| 19:21.46 | Dave | mjr! |
| 19:21.48 | [df] | which is partly why I got a freerunner |
| 19:21.53 | hossi_ | playya: I can't reach internet from my FR, I want to download packages. I managed to ssh to the phone via usb |
| 19:22.06 | spydon | hossi_, have you edited the resolv.conf correctly? |
| 19:22.10 | Dave | heh |
| 19:22.14 | Dave | spydon, damn, you beat me :P |
| 19:22.19 | johnsu01 | so, I've got a bluetooth keyboard paired with qtopia, and hcidump shows signals, but typing doesn't show anything |
| 19:22.30 | johnsu01 | on the screen |
| 19:22.45 | spydon | Dave, hehe, not often you gets beaten, huh? :P |
| 19:22.50 | hossi_ | spydon: yes. I can't ping an ip-adress outside of my home LAN |
| 19:22.54 | Dave | johnsu01: does it work on the console? |
| 19:23.01 | Dave | spydon, indeed ;) |
| 19:23.05 | bamccaig | hossi_, I had a lot of trouble getting my PC (Fedora9) to route traffic from my FreeRunner to my router. Check out a thread I created that has a solution that worked for me. http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/597639/769289#target |
| 19:23.08 | johnsu01 | Dave: how would I check that? |
| 19:23.12 | spydon | hossi_, but can you ping like google.se? |
| 19:23.18 | [df] | hossi_: have you set up masquerading on the ubuntu box? |
| 19:23.19 | johnsu01 | Dave: It does work paired with my laptop, so I know the keyboard itself works |
| 19:24.00 | Dave | right right |
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| 19:24.14 | GiggleLoop_ | Does anyone besides be get the White-Screen-of-Death with 2008.9? |
| 19:24.19 | hossi_ | spydon: can't ping outside of my home lan, domain names or ip-adress |
| 19:24.20 | Dave | :D |
| 19:24.25 | spydon | ah you "cant" I thought it said can :P |
| 19:24.57 | Dave | spydon, do you have glasses? |
| 19:25.23 | spydon | Dave, no, but I should maybe get a pair ^^ |
| 19:25.28 | Dave | ;) |
| 19:25.42 | bamccaig | hossi_, does that mean you are able to ping other devices in your LAN besides the PC connected to the FreeRunner? |
| 19:26.29 | hossi_ | bamccaig: I can ping my router |
| 19:26.43 | johnsu01 | Dave: Yes, if I stop qpe, what I type appears on the screen |
| 19:26.47 | hossi_ | from my phone |
| 19:27.13 | spydon | hossi_, is your router IP showing up if you do cat /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 19:27.17 | bamccaig | Then I got nothin. :P |
| 19:28.01 | hossi_ | spydon: in my FR or on the ubuntu box? |
| 19:28.01 | [df] | so you have fr <--> ubuntu pc <--> router? |
| 19:28.06 | [df] | and you can ping the router? |
| 19:28.17 | spydon | hossi_, the FR |
| 19:28.42 | hossi_ | [df]: hmm now i can't ping my router :p |
| 19:29.15 | [df] | are IP forwarding and masquerading set up on the ubuntu box? |
| 19:29.28 | hossi_ | [df]: dunno, how do I check? |
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| 19:29.49 | [df] | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 19:29.52 | [df] | should be 1 |
| 19:30.27 | hossi_ | [df]: yes, it say "1" |
| 19:30.37 | [df] | ok |
| 19:30.51 | [df] | now if you do iptables -t nat -L, what do you get? |
| 19:30.55 | bamccaig | hossi_, that link I posted above has a serious of commands that worked to configure iptables for me... :-/ The Wiki instructions alone didn't work. |
| 19:31.31 | Dave | spies on spydon |
| 19:31.47 | bamccaig | hossi_, Mind you, it clears the iptables configuration first so if you actually have custom rules you probably wouldn't want to use it alone. |
| 19:32.02 | Dave | I was about to say, you're running iptables actively on your freerunner? - What? |
| 19:32.24 | Dave | What's next, someone trying to get SE working on their Freerunner. |
| 19:32.25 | Dave | haha |
| 19:32.32 | lindi- | Dave: what's the problem? |
| 19:32.37 | viq | SE? |
| 19:32.42 | [df] | this is on the ubuntu box, not the freerunner |
| 19:32.45 | zash | as in selinux? |
| 19:32.47 | Dave | yes |
| 19:32.48 | viq | Ah |
| 19:32.54 | lindi- | i'd very much like to run iptables on my phone |
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| 19:33.08 | spydon | Hehe, why shouldn't you have iptables on the phone? :P |
| 19:33.24 | bamccaig | It seems like a good idea, really... |
| 19:33.28 | hossi_ | bamccaig: should I add thoes ip-tables to the phone? |
| 19:33.30 | Dave | maybe |
| 19:33.40 | [df] | quite, iptables is pretty lightweight compared to most userspace apps |
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| 19:33.48 | Dave | hossi, if you're the guy having usb networking problems, then no, presumably to your pc |
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| 19:35.29 | bamccaig | The point of configuring iptables is to tell Linux to forward packets from the Neo to your LAN so they will reach the Internet. That's what the iptables configuration is for. I haven't actually figured out iptables yet so somebody else will have to advise further. :P |
| 19:36.03 | [df] | is happy to advise further if you need it :D |
| 19:36.58 | bamccaig | I see on the Wiki that apparently dfu-utils doesn't play nice with 64-bit Linux... Am I going to have to install a 32-bit system? |
| 19:37.33 | bamccaig | s/dfu-utils/dfu-util/ |
| 19:37.43 | bamccaig | :P |
| 19:37.53 | [df] | woah, is that a bot |
| 19:37.55 | lindi- | bamccaig: chroot |
| 19:38.01 | [df] | s/bot/bot\?/ |
| 19:38.08 | [df] | awesome :) |
| 19:38.13 | bamccaig | Whoa, it is!! :o |
| 19:38.24 | Dave | ugggggggggggh |
| 19:38.26 | bamccaig | I thought it was a guy and I had beaten him... Damn :-[ |
| 19:38.28 | Dave | fuck |
| 19:38.55 | Dave | First of all, why would ANYBODY be installing a 64bit linux onto the freerunner? |
| 19:39.10 | [df] | er, you don't run dfu-util on the freerunner |
| 19:39.10 | hossi_ | bamccaig: no way of troubleshooting so one can be sure it's the iptables who's not working |
| 19:39.18 | [df] | you run it on the box you're using to flash the freerunner |
| 19:39.19 | bamccaig | Dave, Not onto the FreeRunner... My desktop PC. |
| 19:39.20 | cjb | Dave: it doesn't run on the freerunner. he means a linux desktop. |
| 19:39.25 | cjb | bamccaig: it works for me |
| 19:39.33 | cjb | bamccaig: on 64-bit. I think that warning is stale. |
| 19:40.18 | Dave | cjb, well, OBVIOUSLY |
| 19:40.21 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 19:40.28 | Dave | cjb, some people are daft, don't blame me :) |
| 19:40.37 | Dave | also a tad bit insane :P |
| 19:40.40 | bamccaig | Good to hear.. I guess I'll give it a try... :-X I just got my FreeRunner a few weeks ago and haven't really had time to do anything more than explore the default GUI. |
| 19:40.46 | lesouvage | On the flyer there is a picture of an installer running on the freerunner. How do I start/install the installer? |
| 19:41.10 | cjb | bamccaig: if you're worried about it not working, don't flash uboot with it :) |
| 19:41.15 | cjb | (the others are all recoverable.) |
| 19:41.18 | Dave | cjb, give us your softwares! |
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| 19:42.30 | bamccaig | Isn't uboot recoverable too in the NAND? :-/ I thought everything in the NAND was recoverable through just USB by booting the NOR... |
| 19:42.46 | [df] | yes, on the freerunner |
| 19:43.23 | bamccaig | Even though I'm a n00b, I was considering buying a dboard to see what I can learn and so that I could play with the NOR too. ^^ Probably should hold off on that, I guess. |
| 19:43.38 | cjb | oh yeah, that's true. |
| 19:44.07 | Dave | cjb, so I wrote a program to try to remotely control the power on the freerunner |
| 19:44.10 | [df] | I'm taking the view that there's a hell of a lot of playing around I can do without a debug board, so I don't feel the need to invest in one for now |
| 19:44.32 | lindi- | [df]: yep |
| 19:44.44 | Dave | and I've got six running it in the background... -- I accidentally sent a stray bcast while testing... now I have to reboot all of them :D |
| 19:44.50 | Dave | what a pain ;) |
| 19:45.07 | cjb | Dave: cool. how does it do that? |
| 19:45.34 | Dave | Well, it might not have many practical uses, but I thought it might be a neat idea to try |
| 19:45.48 | Dave | it just listens and carries out my bidding |
| 19:45.50 | Dave | ;) |
| 19:46.23 | Dave | originally I had it making syscalls, but they weren't all the same and some were flaky, so for some commands I just manually manipulate the devices |
| 19:46.36 | Dave | I mean, it's not like the phone's suspend works well on its own, anyway. |
| 19:47.11 | [df] | meh, I've just tried a cool in the latest qtopia snapshot and had both echo and gsm buzz :( |
| 19:47.15 | [df] | s/cool/call/ |
| 19:47.28 | Dave | ouch! |
| 19:47.39 | Dave | for a second there, I thought apt might have a freerunner of her own ;) |
| 19:47.40 | [df] | well, the person on the other end had echo |
| 19:47.51 | Dave | df, that's terrible! |
| 19:48.00 | Dave | MORE BUGREPORTS! |
| 19:48.13 | [df] | well I think they're both bugs that have been reported |
| 19:48.25 | [df] | but I heard the echo had been fixed |
| 19:48.55 | Dave | SUPPOSEDLY |
| 19:49.02 | Dave | Wasn't the WSoD supposedly fixed as well? |
| 19:49.18 | lindi- | now moving to fso bug #116 :P |
| 19:49.36 | Dave | :P |
| 19:49.39 | Dave | go lindi, go! |
| 19:49.50 | lindi- | no i mean #140 |
| 19:50.12 | Dave | lindi, you suck at counting :P |
| 19:50.19 | lindi- | everyone here should fix one bug a day |
| 19:50.45 | Dave | a bug a day, keeps the developers at bay ;p |
| 19:50.53 | [df] | keeps the users at bay, surely? |
| 19:50.59 | Dave | either that, or underpaid! |
| 19:51.00 | Dave | :D |
| 19:51.11 | lindi- | TAsn: you seemed to have reported #140 too |
| 19:51.13 | GiggleLoop_ | The WSoD was fixed? |
| 19:51.23 | Dave | It's a trap. |
| 19:52.00 | lindi- | TAsn: thanks for reporting the bug |
| 19:52.05 | TAsn | lindi-, not sure i know what you mean |
| 19:52.12 | TAsn | i may have just confirmed, let me check. |
| 19:52.18 | TAsn | lindi-, thank you for solving it ;] |
| 19:52.23 | lindi- | TAsn: framework.log (16.2 kB) - added by tasn on 09/20/08 22:57:08. |
| 19:52.33 | TAsn | that's just a confirmation |
| 19:52.37 | TAsn | i didn't report ;] |
| 19:53.08 | lindi- | ok, i took a peek at apt-get source ppp but it's not so simple as i would have hoped |
| 19:53.12 | GiggleLoop_ | Dave: been watching bug #1841 for a while now and there doesn't seem to be much activity on the wsod... |
| 19:53.52 | lindi- | TAsn: pap-secrets has just * * "" * which sounds odd |
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| 19:54.14 | TAsn | lindi-, not all require a pass. |
| 19:54.25 | TAsn | *all carriers |
| 19:54.33 | lindi- | TAsn: but i specified "x" |
| 19:54.34 | TAsn | i also tried with and without |
| 19:54.39 | lindi- | TAsn: so why is frameworkd not using it? |
| 19:54.58 | TAsn | lindi-, framwork actually doesn't use the files in |
| 19:55.01 | TAsn | /etc/ppp |
| 19:55.03 | TAsn | at all |
| 19:55.05 | lindi- | TAsn: but it generates them |
| 19:55.12 | TAsn | no it doesn't |
| 19:55.14 | lindi- | it does |
| 19:55.16 | TAsn | it generates files in |
| 19:55.19 | TAsn | tmp |
| 19:55.21 | TAsn | instead. |
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| 19:55.26 | lindi- | PPP_PAP_SECRETS_FILENAME = "/etc/ppp/pap-secrets" |
| 19:55.30 | lindi- | says frameworkd source code |
| 19:55.53 | TAsn | lindi-, really?! i think they were using a different file. |
| 19:55.56 | lindi- | PPP_DAEMON_SETUP[PPP_PAP_SECRETS_FILENAME] = '* * "%s" *\n' % '' |
| 19:56.05 | TAsn | check /tmp |
| 19:56.08 | TAsn | lindi-, weird. |
| 19:56.46 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.46 | lindi- | we have |
| 19:56.46 | lindi- | but no secrets |
| 19:57.03 | lindi- | TAsn: it doesn't tell pppd about anything else in /tmp either so how could pppd find it? |
| 19:58.08 | TAsn | weird. |
| 19:58.13 | TAsn | i thought it does. |
| 19:58.20 | TAsn | try ps aux | grep ppp |
| 19:58.24 | TAsn | while trying to connect |
| 19:58.26 | lindi- | fortunately i have time to read the source :) |
| 19:58.30 | TAsn | i think i saw some more files ;] |
| 19:58.33 | TAsn | lindi-, hehe you do ;] |
| 19:58.38 | lindi- | ['/usr/sbin/pppd', '/dev/pts/5', 'connect', '/var/tmp/ogsmd/gprs-connect-chat', 'disconnect', '/var/tmp/ogsmd/gprs-dis\ |
| 19:58.41 | lindi- | connect-chat', '115200', 'nodetach', 'crtscts', 'defaultroute', 'debug', 'holdoff', '3', 'ipcp-accept-local', 'ktune', 'lcp-echo-failure', '8', 'lcp-echo-interval', '10\ |
| 19:58.44 | lindi- | ', 'ipcp-max-configure', '32', 'lock', 'noauth', 'noipdefault', 'novj', 'novjccomp', 'proxyarp', 'replacedefaultroute', 'usepeerdns', 'user', '"x"'] |
| 19:58.50 | Dave | oh snaps |
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| 19:58.51 | TAsn | okie. |
| 19:58.58 | Dave | having ppp problems? |
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| 19:59.15 | lindi- | hmmmm, '"x"' is interesting |
| 19:59.26 | lindi- | Dave: #140 is about them |
| 19:59.30 | Dave | oh! |
| 19:59.36 | Dave | I don't seem to have much problem with mine... |
| 19:59.52 | Dave | it can be finicky at times |
| 20:00.04 | Dave | but for the most part it's reliable... slow, but reliable |
| 20:00.24 | Dave | then again, this is on an earlier 2007 release :P |
| 20:00.59 | lindi- | yep something was just broken in later frameworkd version |
| 20:02.54 | Dave | lindi, ah, disappointing :( |
| 20:03.01 | Dave | this backwards development is so harsh |
| 20:03.13 | GiggleLoop_ | does anyone know if the opkg signature-check can be deactivated? |
| 20:04.43 | [df] | has anyone had an issue with 2007.2 and qtopia regularly dropping out from the network? |
| 20:04.56 | [df] | I'm pretty certain it's software, because when it comes back it has full signal |
| 20:05.18 | [df] | and I don't think it happened with 2008.9, although possibly that just didn't announce it as loudly |
| 20:07.55 | lindi- | [df]: just look what it talks with gsm chip |
| 20:08.57 | Dave | giggleloop, nope |
| 20:09.03 | wurp2|working | [df]: That is a common problem |
| 20:09.19 | Dave | I wrote a WRAPPER around opkg, because that, and it's other errors are so pointless, annoying, and unhelpful to the new user! |
| 20:09.28 | Dave | fucking opkg maintainers :D |
| 20:09.44 | wurp2|working | [df]: There was speculation recently between mickey|zzZZzz and mwester_ that the cell tower tells the phone to switch towers |
| 20:10.15 | wurp2|working | [df]: but lots of people have the issue of the phone persistently dropping off network once a minute or more, then reacquiring |
| 20:10.18 | [df] | is it a common problem with all distros then or just certain ones? |
| 20:10.36 | wurp2|working | And it seems to go away for a few days, and come back. |
| 20:10.56 | wurp2|working | [df]: The drop is happening down in the gsm, I think |
| 20:11.12 | wurp2|working | [df]: Some distros handle getting back on the network much better than others, though |
| 20:12.00 | wurp2|working | In case that wasn't clear, since it happens down in the gsm, all distros have the same issue |
| 20:12.10 | wurp2|working | but it is much less of an issue for some than others |
| 20:12.24 | lpotter | seems to be fxed in qtopia 4.4, at least for me :) |
| 20:12.35 | [df] | so is it a hardware issue that can be worked around? |
| 20:12.38 | wurp2|working | lpotter: You don't drop off the network at all? |
| 20:12.39 | spydon | hossi_, are you from sweden? |
| 20:12.45 | GiggleLoop_ | Dave: other errors? ouch... didn't find those yet... |
| 20:12.49 | lpotter | wurp2|working: not anymore |
| 20:13.01 | wurp2|working | lpotter: From what I heard, the problem would spontaneously go away for days at a time, then come back |
| 20:13.08 | lpotter | it used to, quite often. but only on hte freerunner |
| 20:13.14 | wurp2|working | lpotter: So where's my 4.4 download? |
| 20:13.17 | hossi_ | spydon: yes |
| 20:13.25 | wurp2|working | lpotter: Yeah, the problem is much less bad for me on gta01 than what I hear about the FR |
| 20:13.27 | lpotter | wurp2|working: its been many weeks since I have seen this problem |
| 20:13.33 | spydon | hossi_, are you a member of the pirate party? |
| 20:13.37 | wurp2|working | But mwester_ said he had the issue on several gta01s too |
| 20:13.43 | wurp2|working | lpotter: Kick ass! :-) |
| 20:13.55 | wurp2|working | lpotter: So where's my 4.4 download? |
| 20:14.11 | lpotter | look at QFuture |
| 20:14.19 | lpotter | :) |
| 20:14.25 | Dave | yarr |
| 20:14.27 | lpotter | sorry. not yet. soon |
| 20:14.31 | hossi_ | spydon: I'm actually the third memberb or pirate party in sweden :) |
| 20:14.36 | hossi_ | *of |
| 20:14.44 | spydon | hossi_, ah then I know where I have seen your nick before |
| 20:14.50 | spydon | hossi_, awesome! |
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| 20:15.04 | lpotter | my 3 year old son like to be a pirate... ARGGG! |
| 20:15.26 | lpotter | sometimes he is a grumpy pirate |
| 20:15.28 | wurp2|working | lpotter: You implemented QFuture to help deal with this dropping problem? Is it some commands that are being sent before the gsm is ready? |
| 20:15.34 | lindi- | TAsn: #140 fixed :) |
| 20:15.36 | spydon | yeah tell him to join our next demonstration lpotter ;) |
| 20:15.51 | lpotter | wurp2|working: heh.. no, I was jus tbeing funny |
| 20:15.57 | TAsn | lindi-, what?! how? |
| 20:15.58 | wurp2|working | kthx ;-) |
| 20:16.20 | lpotter | wurp2|working: but I do think some gsm init commands were compounding the problem |
| 20:16.28 | hossi_ | spydon: do you have any idea what's the name of the package if you want to install the terminal via opkg? |
| 20:16.37 | wurp2|working | lpotter: The problem is that I don't have a way to set a callback to be informed when this operation completes |
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| 20:16.48 | spydon | hossi_, openmoko-terminal2 I think |
| 20:16.58 | wurp2|working | I don't want to monitor all events that happen in the community list :-) |
| 20:17.12 | lpotter | wurp2|working: I'm the callback function |
| 20:17.44 | Dave | brokenmoko |
| 20:17.49 | Dave | lpotter :) |
| 20:17.52 | lindi- | TAsn: see bug report soon |
| 20:18.02 | Dave | Who you gonna call? |
| 20:18.13 | TAsn | lindi-, ;] |
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| 20:21.59 | lindi- | TAsn: now at http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/140 |
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| 20:23.19 | TAsn | lindi-, haha, thanks, i will test that soon ;] |
| 20:23.37 | lindi- | wants more bugs to squash :) |
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| 20:24.30 | viq | lindi-: a walk on a swamp? ;) |
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| 20:24.42 | [df] | you could stop my phone dropping off the network? |
| 20:25.20 | lindi- | [df]: gsmd? |
| 20:26.09 | [df] | er, I don't know... it happens with 2007.2 and qtopia |
| 20:26.50 | lindi- | [df]: hmm? 2007.2 uses gsmd i think |
| 20:26.54 | lindi- | [df]: ps axuf? |
| 20:28.07 | bamccaig | I've been wondering if it's possible to create non-root users and add passwords for all users? :-/ (Running OM 2007.2 or 2008.8) |
| 20:29.27 | LionKMP | I don't know how to start he nodm x a way that it is reassigned to a user. |
| 20:29.46 | LionKMP | should check how a general desktop does that. |
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| 20:30.04 | LionKMP | Michael! :) Ferenc here |
| 20:30.14 | [df] | lindi-: nope, apparently not using gsmd currently (on qtopia) |
| 20:30.49 | [df] | is this a problem that may be fixed in 2008 then? |
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| 20:32.09 | lindi- | [df]: can you please check the qtopia sources? just grep for ATD or something |
| 20:32.49 | [df] | so what AT command am I looking for? |
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| 20:37.44 | lesouvage_ | How can I chack what version of the OM is installed on my new freerunner. |
| 20:38.07 | [df] | actually I'm having trouble finding the qtopia source :( |
| 20:38.23 | [df] | there's a link to an ftp dir on the trolltech site which is empty |
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| 20:39.06 | LionKMP | lesouvage: Settings -> System info ? |
| 20:39.06 | [df] | lesouvage_: it ships with 2007.2 afaik |
| 20:39.24 | LionKMP | ah, hm, ok, my idea works only on 2008.x :) |
| 20:39.28 | lpotter | [df]: ftp://ftp.trolltech.com:21/qtopia/source |
| 20:39.42 | LionKMP | cat /etc/om-version ? |
| 20:39.54 | lesouvage_ | LionKMP: stupid question maybe, but where am I suppose to find this option? |
| 20:40.38 | LionKMP | lesouvage: it ships with 2007.2 so if you didn't flash another, it's that. |
| 20:40.52 | LionKMP | lesouvage: sorry, my idea assumed you have 2008.8. :-D |
| 20:41.29 | bamccaig | :D |
| 20:42.08 | [df] | lpotter: that's got 4.3.2, any idea if 4.3.3 is available? |
| 20:42.24 | LionKMP | lesouvage: that's 2007.2 : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Openmoko2007.2_home_screen.png |
| 20:42.31 | lpotter | [df]: there is also this http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Qtopia |
| 20:42.44 | LionKMP | sometimes it's without the big clock. |
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| 20:43.07 | lesouvage_ | But isn't there a package manager with a front end that i can use to add packages. I saw an installer option on one of the pictures. I know this phone is not for the faint of hard but adding some basic aps can't be that hard I suppose? |
| 20:43.32 | [df] | the graphical installer is on 2008 |
| 20:43.40 | LionKMP | lesouvage: I think you need this first: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 20:43.55 | edje | hi all, when i start om-messages it crashes. there are a few messages in te inbox. any idea what i can do about it ? |
| 20:44.19 | LionKMP | yes, and then I would upgrade to 2008.8 (by flashing a the version, it's also detailed in getting started) |
| 20:44.25 | LionKMP | 2008.9 |
| 20:44.42 | lesouvage_ | LionKMP: thanks for the pointer. I hope I will return a little bit wiser |
| 20:44.54 | LionKMP | :) |
| 20:45.07 | lpotter | [df]: 4.3.3 has not been released |
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| 20:47.53 | [df] | lpotter: er, http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 suggests it has? |
| 20:48.01 | [df] | I'm pretty certain it's what I'm running... |
| 20:49.36 | [df] | I think maybe the getting started page could make it clearer that the phone ships with what is effectively an obsolete distro and you probably want to flash it straight away |
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| 20:57.44 | lindi- | [df]: how can you do development without source? |
| 20:58.43 | [df] | I don't develop qtopia |
| 20:58.43 | bamccaig | It's pretty clear when you start using the shipped with distro. ;) |
| 20:58.47 | [df] | I only installed it today |
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| 21:07.58 | bamccaig | n00b question: I just downloaded the .tar.gz of the rootfs and splash for 2008.9. Does dfu-util use the .tar.gz or do I need to extract it or something? :-X I extracted the rootfs only to find a Linux directory tree, which doesn't seem right. :P |
| 21:08.32 | LionKMP | aw, why not downloaded the jffs2 then have to do nothing. |
| 21:08.35 | mjr | for flashing with dfu-util, you want a jffs2 image, which should be downloadable alongside |
| 21:08.40 | lesouvage_ | I'm a little bit confused. Can somebody tells me what files I need fro the list on http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/ to update my freerunner. I plan to use OpenMoko flasher for macosx. Should I load all the available files in this dir? (bin, tar.gz and jffs2 files) FunnyI just typed the same question. |
| 21:08.41 | LionKMP | which gudie did you follow? |
| 21:08.55 | mjr | (or you can make the image from the tar archive yourself, of course, but that's more complicated) |
| 21:10.42 | bamccaig | Ah, I figured it was along those lines. :( Back to downloading. :) |
| 21:11.27 | LionKMP | bamccaig: was the Download guide confusing? (I work on the documentation) |
| 21:12.43 | lesouvage_ | So I need the jffs2 file for the filesystem and the .bin file for the kernel to do the update? |
| 21:12.55 | LionKMP | yes |
| 21:13.24 | lesouvage_ | LianKMP: thanks ! |
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| 21:14.34 | bamccaig | saw "The system is going down for halt" message in a terminal and panicked before realizing it was his ssh session with his Neo. |
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| 21:16.16 | zogg_ | Any way to quit application, and not to kill it through terminal? |
| 21:16.43 | viq | zogg_: which distro? |
| 21:16.54 | zogg_ | ASU |
| 21:17.09 | zogg_ | lets say, tangogps |
| 21:17.15 | viq | unfold top menu, there will be 'remove' on lower left of it |
| 21:17.28 | LionKMP | kill is quit, isn't it? (with not using -9 of course) |
| 21:18.26 | zogg_ | oh, sweet. Funny tho, never actually noticed that 'qwerty' label area changes :)) |
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| 21:22.54 | bamccaig | LionKMP: I wouldn't say it was confusing... I've been through much of this before so I'm skimming now and probably missing stuff... I didn't see anything about the .tar.gz versus .jffs2 this time around. I seem to recall reading about it the first time though. :-X |
| 21:23.32 | LionKMP | bamccaig: yep, it was there earlier, but the download page changes a lot :-p |
| 21:26.09 | bamccaig | Ahh!! I shutdown my FreeRunner with `shutdown -P now' over SSH and now it is spewing the same lines into the terminal... :-X |
| 21:30.59 | lesouvage_ | Downloading OM2008.9 takes a lot of time. It seems that I'm not the only one upgrading . (30 mb takes halve an hour) |
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| 21:31.37 | lesouvage_ | But the screendumps look very promissing, so I guess it will worth the waiting. |
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| 21:32.12 | LionKMP | definitely :) |
| 21:32.44 | bamccaig | clear |
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| 21:33.01 | bamccaig | has a habit of `clear'ing terminals. This isn't a terminal though. |
| 21:33.41 | ieatlint | bamccaig, ctrl+l ... imagine the time you'll save |
| 21:33.43 | LionKMP | :D |
| 21:33.53 | LionKMP | :D |
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| 21:36.25 | bamccaig | I didn't know about ctrl+l... Something tells me I don't want to clear irssi though... At least, not until I know the "repaint" sequence. |
| 21:36.26 | lesouvage_ | How stable and usable is OM2008.9. I use an iPhone now so I'm used with rebooting my phone once in a while. |
| 21:37.20 | ieatlint | ctrl+l isn't a signal, so unless irssi interprets it, it'll do nothing |
| 21:37.26 | ieatlint | ctrl+l is a bash feature |
| 21:37.30 | bamccaig | Oooh, awesome. :o |
| 21:37.45 | bamccaig | That is handy. Thanks. :D |
| 21:38.13 | LionKMP | actually ctrl-l does a redraw in many programs, did in ircII too. |
| 21:38.30 | LionKMP | when something writes into a curses screen, I do ctrl-l. |
| 21:38.39 | ieatlint | ctrl+w and ctrl+u are good too (the former deletes all text to the left of the cursor until a delimeter is hit [a space, generally], and the latter does it to the beginning of the line) |
| 21:39.06 | LionKMP | wow, I didn't know ctrl-u. I usually hold ctrl-w ;-) |
| 21:39.20 | bamccaig | LionKMP, ieatlint: Also good to know. :) |
| 21:39.35 | ieatlint | i use ctrl+u all the time... great for when you're at a password prompt and think you typoed |
| 21:39.50 | LionKMP | ! good |
| 21:41.16 | bamccaig | Which do you do first: run dfu-util or boot NOR? Does it matter and how do you keep the Neo from shutting off (IIRC it shuts off if left running NOR for a timeout period). |
| 21:41.19 | ieatlint | (!good)^1 |
| 21:41.33 | wurp2|working | bamccaig: Boot NAND :-) |
| 21:41.56 | bamccaig | I thought the NOR communicated with dfu-util...? O_O |
| 21:42.03 | wurp2|working | and keep clicking aux every 30 seconds :-( |
| 21:42.04 | LionKMP | 30 seconds and then off, yep. |
| 21:42.08 | LionKMP | but not while flashing of course. |
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| 21:42.19 | wurp2|working | bamccaig: Both can, but NAND is the one that has the latest bootloader on it |
| 21:42.20 | ieatlint | you're in for a whole bunch of confusion bamccaig :) |
| 21:42.30 | bamccaig | I'm sure.. |
| 21:42.43 | wurp2|working | bamccaig: You *can* use either NOR or NAND. But don't. Use NAND. |
| 21:42.50 | bamccaig | Now I'm not sure I know the difference between booting NOR and NAND... Maybe it was the NAND bootloader I was in before... |
| 21:42.57 | wurp2|working | bamccaig: At some point using NOR when you don't need to is liable to lead to heartache. |
| 21:43.07 | wurp2|working | bamccaig: You can see the message at the top of the screen |
| 21:43.09 | LionKMP | wurp2|working: it never flashed for me from NAND. Maybe I have an older NAND than you! |
| 21:43.43 | wurp2|working | bamccaig: To boot NAND, hold power, then about 1 sec after you pressed power, click aux while still holding power |
| 21:43.49 | wurp2|working | when the menu comes up release power |
| 21:44.02 | bamccaig | Yep, it was NOR I was booting. |
| 21:44.08 | bamccaig | wurp2|working: That sounds difficult. :-[ |
| 21:44.22 | wurp2|working | LionKMP: Heh, I'm giving all this info thirdhand. I have a gta01, but mwester says boot from NAND, not NOR. I trust mwester and what he says makes sense. |
| 21:44.27 | wurp2|working | bamccaig: Yeah :-( |
| 21:44.57 | wurp2|working | LionKMP: Have you tried updating your NAND uboot? |
| 21:45.00 | bamccaig | wurp2|working: Failed attempt 1. It is booting the OS. :-[ |
| 21:45.02 | LionKMP | let's wait if bamccaig can flash it from NAND :) |
| 21:45.08 | LionKMP | wurp2|working: no, I have the original NAND. |
| 21:45.21 | wurp2|working | LionKMP: although... afaik NAND should have burned just fine unless you put a bad uboot on there |
| 21:45.22 | ieatlint | you should always boot from nand uboot, but nor uboot *should* pose no issues for flashing |
| 21:45.37 | wurp2|working | LionKMP: Then it should work :-( |
| 21:46.10 | ieatlint | it's just good practice, never use nor unless you need to (and you only need to right now if you're flashing nand uboot, really) |
| 21:46.13 | wurp2|working | ieatlint: Well, if there are bugs fixed in uboot, and you've been cautious with NOR uboot as you should, then NAND uboot is better |
| 21:46.16 | LionKMP | bamccaig: hehe, read this carefully: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting |
| 21:46.36 | wurp2|working | ieatlint: sorry, looked as if you were advocating NOR |
| 21:46.40 | ieatlint | wurp2|working, but the odds of a bug fix coming along that changes flashing is very small |
| 21:46.59 | wurp2|working | ieatlint: Sure.... mwester had some other more compelling reason |
| 21:47.02 | wurp2|working | lemme look... |
| 21:47.04 | ieatlint | i'm saying it shouldn't matter... but you should use nand even though it shouldn't matter |
| 21:47.11 | bamccaig | LionKMP: Thanks. |
| 21:47.30 | LionKMP | let's see if it works for bamccaig :) |
| 21:47.44 | LionKMP | bamccaig: boot NAND and let's see if it can flash. If yes, there is a problem with my NAND :) |
| 21:47.52 | ieatlint | bamccaig, in short, treat NOR uboot like a recovery disk.... |
| 21:48.19 | wurp2|working | ieatlint: agreed |
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| 21:49.48 | ieatlint | oh, and anyone using a nand uboot that's older than like august 8 is crazy :P |
| 21:50.01 | ieatlint | you should have it more current than that though, even |
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| 21:51.16 | LionKMP | ieatlint: I did not update it since FR arrived in July. :( |
| 21:51.58 | ieatlint | yeah, there have been a lot of bug fixes |
| 21:52.13 | ieatlint | like the gps/sd card thing |
| 21:52.15 | LionKMP | ok, I'll update it. thanks |
| 21:52.24 | LionKMP | gps/sd in UBOOT??? |
| 21:52.48 | ieatlint | on the very low level, yes |
| 21:52.58 | wurp2|working | For those interested, on Sep 19 20:54:24 mwester made some comments in here talking about hardware ECC (whatever that is) being turned on, after which using NOR for dfu wouldn't work (w/o a uboot upgrade, which is slightly risky if you don't have a debug board) |
| 21:53.06 | LionKMP | hm, ok. I'll flash it. That does not affec the installed OS. |
| 21:53.16 | bamccaig | dfu-util --list: Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" |
| 21:53.42 | bamccaig | I booted NAND! Is that normal output for a factory FreeRunner? |
| 21:53.48 | wurp2|working | s/uboot upgrade/NOR uboot upgrade/ |
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| 21:54.29 | ieatlint | hmmm.. i didn't know the FR had any sort of ECC |
| 21:54.51 | ieatlint | and as i understand it, a NOR upgrade isn't possible without a debug board |
| 21:55.37 | izzyb | is there a way to debug gsm problems? |
| 21:56.08 | izzyb | I can't seem to get the phone to receive or make calls and I have no idea why |
| 21:56.09 | wurp2|working | ieatlint: Ah, that makes sense |
| 21:56.13 | lesouvage_ | When I reflash with openmoko flasher to upgrade to 2008.9 should I just choose flash and will that update my kernel and my filesystem (both files are loaded)? |
| 21:56.53 | LionKMP | I don't know mac os x flasher tool. |
| 21:56.56 | LionKMP | read the manual? |
| 21:58.13 | lesouvage_ | What I mean is: is the kernel part of the rootfile system so if you update the rootfile system you don't need to update de kernel? |
| 21:58.28 | LionKMP | no no, they are separate. |
| 21:58.40 | bamccaig | (1) Why are there duplicate entries in my boot menu? (2) OMG, I think it's flashing! |
| 21:58.49 | LionKMP | flash both, separately. they use a different partition. Not like on PC linux. |
| 21:59.06 | LionKMP | bamccaig: :) cool |
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| 22:01.53 | bamccaig | Kernel finished... Working on rootfs now... |
| 22:02.52 | bamccaig | I assumed the -R option would reset (i.e. restart) the FreeRunner... That didn't seem to happen, so what does it reset? |
| 22:03.11 | LionKMP | reset USB line I think, something in the connection. |
| 22:03.38 | LionKMP | -R --reset Issue USB Reset signalling once we're finished |
| 22:03.44 | LionKMP | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util ;-) |
| 22:06.07 | lesouvage_ | Is this the procedure to get the bootmenu on a freerunner : on your Openmoko, hold the AUX button while pressing the Power button for 5 seconds |
| 22:06.16 | bamccaig | Yeah, that's where I got the reset from... USB signalling could have been anything! \o/ |
| 22:07.31 | bamccaig | lesouvage_: Pay attention. ;) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting |
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| 22:11.36 | wurp2|working | lesouvage_: That is the procedure to get NOR boot menu |
| 22:12.03 | wurp2|working | lesouvage_: You want the NAND boot menu unless you're recovering from a bad uboot burn |
| 22:12.22 | wurp2|working | lesouvage_: For NAND boot, hold power button, press aux briefly after you push power button down |
| 22:12.55 | lesouvage_ | I have it on the screen. I'm just following instruction from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#Graphical_Flashing_with_Openmoko_Flasher |
| 22:12.55 | bamccaig | It took me 3 hours today to pick a number for my Neo's SIM card... My carrier's Web site listed 10 numbers at a time, ffs, and reloaded the whole page with each new list... It got to the point where I was loading the page in 20 Firefox tabs to increase the speed that I was cycling through them. :P |
| 22:14.12 | bamccaig | rootfs done... I shutoff the power afterward. Hopefully that was right. ;) |
| 22:14.17 | lesouvage_ | I'm in NAND mode, it is on the screen *** BOOT MENU (NAND) **** |
| 22:14.42 | wurp2|working | bamccaig: I usually just boot it, but powering off should be fine |
| 22:15.10 | LionKMP | I am chatting on MSN on pidgin, rox :) |
| 22:15.36 | wurp2|working | LionKMP: I chat on MSN on irc via bitlbee and jabber, so there |
| 22:15.37 | ronny | hmm, is there any good jabber client for om yet? |
| 22:15.42 | bamccaig | Aww, I forgot to update the splash screen. :P |
| 22:15.57 | ronny | (pidgin really sucks at anything advanced when it comes to jabber) |
| 22:16.22 | wurp2|working | LionKMP: Oh, on pidgin on the FR. You win :-) |
| 22:16.40 | LionKMP | hehe yep |
| 22:16.58 | bamccaig | 1 more with much successes using dfu-util on a 64-bit system. |
| 22:17.00 | LionKMP | however there is no input box for my text, I can't see what I type before sending. |
| 22:17.13 | ronny | hmm, i hate pidgin |
| 22:17.13 | LionKMP | bamccaig: splashs creen! |
| 22:17.18 | LionKMP | the original is nicer than the new one! |
| 22:17.22 | wurp2|working | LionKMP: I would probably still prefer irc to my bitlbee gateway, then |
| 22:17.40 | bamccaig | Booting: \d+% (That cemented with a pair of boots) |
| 22:18.06 | wurp2|working | cement boots, that's old school |
| 22:18.48 | edje | Hi all, if i shutdown my freerunner, i can only start it again by connecting a charger or usb cable. is that normal? 2007.2 |
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| 22:19.24 | lindi- | edje: power button should start it if held long enough |
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| 22:20.02 | bamccaig | OK, my phone has never prompted me for my SIM pin... I thought maybe it was a bug in 2007.2 or something, but even with 2008.9 it isn't... |
| 22:20.28 | bamccaig | ...WTF. Apparently my Neo just shutdown... For no reason at all. |
| 22:20.58 | edje | lindi-: i tried over ten seconds, how long should it take? |
| 22:21.01 | lesouvage_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.09 | lindi- | edje: not very long |
| 22:21.43 | lindi- | edje: does the physical power button work? |
| 22:22.03 | wurp2|working | lesouvage_: What are you trying to flash? Which distro? |
| 22:22.13 | bamccaig | Ahhhh! :| My FreeRunner might have just died. Did somebody sneak FoxAlive into that kernel image!? |
| 22:22.18 | edje | lindi-: so, is it a bug or a defect? the power button does work for all other functions |
| 22:22.43 | wurp2|working | edje: You've tried removing the battery for 10 seconds, putting it back in, & then booting? |
| 22:22.50 | LionKMP | lesouvage_: are you sure you flash kernel to kernel, rootfs to rootfs? |
| 22:22.52 | wurp2|working | And does the FR stay on if you disconnect the charger? |
| 22:23.34 | lesouvage_ | wurp2|working: Om2008.9-gta02-20080916.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 22:24.08 | edje | wurp2|working: i tried the battery trick, it did not work. as sson as i use the charger starts and keeps running after the charger is removed. ( battery is full by the way ) |
| 22:24.21 | wurp2|working | lesouvage_: As LionKMP said, are you sure you flashed kernel as the kernel, rootfs as the rootfs? |
| 22:24.25 | lindi- | edje: hard to say, sounds weird |
| 22:24.37 | lindi- | edje: has it always been like that? |
| 22:24.50 | edje | i only have it for two days ;-) |
| 22:25.05 | wurp2|working | edje: For me (on my gta01), it will start when I plug the charger in if the way it shut down was by running the battery all the way down |
| 22:25.12 | wurp2|working | Are you sure you've charged it completely? |
| 22:25.31 | edje | wurp2|working: yup 100% charged |
| 22:25.38 | bamccaig | OK, maybe not dead.. After pulling the battery and putting it back in it is rebooting again... Perhaps it was still running, but the screen died? |
| 22:25.49 | wurp2|working | If the battery is too low, and it last shut down because of low battery, it will start as soon as you plug in the charger, but not from holding down the power button |
| 22:25.52 | lesouvage_ | The line I see is " Starting DFU download to partition factory" |
| 22:26.06 | wurp2|working | bamccaig: Probably. Some distros turn off screen after 40 seconds or so |
| 22:26.22 | wurp2|working | lesouvage_: There are different dfu parameters for burning kernel vs rootfs |
| 22:26.22 | bamccaig | How do you turn the screen back on? :-X |
| 22:26.31 | edje | wurp2|working: that is the behavior i see, but with a full battery |
| 22:26.34 | wurp2|working | bamccaig: Touch it, or push aux if it has suspended |
| 22:26.38 | wurp2|working | edje: :-( |
| 22:26.46 | bamccaig | Touching didn't work... Maybe it suspended... |
| 22:26.57 | lesouvage_ | wurp2|working : I'm using a tool, I suppose this tool knows what image should go to what partition. |
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| 22:27.16 | edje | well, thanks all, i will investigated some more the next couple of days |
| 22:27.23 | bamccaig | I must say, the 2008.9 startup is less friendly than 2007.2... |
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| 22:27.27 | wurp2|working | lesouvage_: Sorry, I dunno anything about your tool... but based on what happened, I suppose it doesn't know which image goes to which partition :-) |
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| 22:29.49 | lesouvage_ | There also was a "go manual" part in the instalation guide. I guess it is time t read that part. ;-( |
| 22:31.11 | bamccaig | OK, I think it just have been suspended... AUX seemingly worked (though I did everything I could think of before it actually came back so who knows what did it). It's a little slow. |
| 22:32.07 | bamccaig | And it's only taking like 5 - 10 seconds to "suspend"... Not cooll. |
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| 22:32.28 | bamccaig | It seems the power button might be bring it out of "suspension". |
| 22:32.33 | bamccaig | Anybody familiar with 2008.9? |
| 22:33.37 | LionKMP | power yes |
| 22:33.42 | LionKMP | unless when it fails |
| 22:33.55 | bamccaig | Heh. I like that last part. ^^ |
| 22:34.51 | bamccaig | Is the time application not working properly yet? I can't see to set the time from the GUI (nor can I select my timezone, etc.). |
| 22:35.03 | bamccaig | s/see/seem/ |
| 22:35.08 | LionKMP | Settings -> Clock |
| 22:35.23 | LionKMP | zone there too |
| 22:36.00 | bamccaig | Yeah, it's not working... |
| 22:36.16 | bamccaig | Everything after the first option appears to be disabled no matter what I select in the first option... |
| 22:36.31 | bamccaig | Except "no"... I haven't tried no... Should it be no to change the others? |
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| 22:37.30 | bamccaig | s/no/off/ |
| 22:37.41 | bamccaig | My bad... Yes, automatic had to be set to off. |
| 22:38.48 | LionKMP | yes, sorry. (having fun with MSN pidgin on FR meanwhile :) ) |
| 22:39.10 | LionKMP | gotta go. see you tomorrow :) have fun! Read the dox ;-) |
| 22:39.44 | bamccaig | Thanks for the halpz, LionKMP. |
| 22:39.49 | LionKMP | I just added program descriptions to this page, so you can find cool appz : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications_directory :) |
| 22:40.03 | LionKMP | will continue tomorrow... :) |
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| 22:55.37 | bamccaig | Is there no way to get to a terminal in 2008.9? :| |
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| 22:58.42 | dwalker | bamccaig, you have to install the terminal. |
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| 23:14.31 | uhsf | in the "known issues" section of the wiki for 2008.9, there is: Neo turns off before reaching x. |
| 23:14.40 | uhsf | not very encouraging |
| 23:16.01 | uhsf | also: Cannot dial numbers starting with * or #. |
| 23:17.15 | uhsf | really? how am i supposed to had credit to my phone account? the number for that is #611 |
| 23:19.02 | uhsf | i'm so staying with 2007.2, OM has only regressed since february 2007 i don't think that's funny |
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| 23:24.12 | bamccaig | dwalker: Thanks... :-[ I probably meant to confirm that it wasn't installed by default. |
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| 23:26.51 | raster | bada.. bing! |
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| 23:27.41 | fredrin | bada bong |
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| 23:51.42 | bamccaig | WTF... :( |
| 23:52.20 | bamccaig | I installed some root password application in 2008.9 and immediately it's prompting me to enter a root password. Thing is, there is no input mechanism whatsoever. :( |
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| 23:54.42 | sicu | bada.. boom! |
| 23:55.40 | georgy_28 | bada ..dong |
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