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| 22:57.07 | yabo | well somewhat work then |
| 22:57.10 | yabo | like qtopia |
| 22:57.10 | paulproteus | yabo, Just flash the latest 9/3/2008 (iirc) Qtopia image on. |
| 22:57.16 | yabo | qtopia just works |
| 22:57.18 | yabo | almost |
| 22:57.21 | yabo | it works enough |
| 22:57.26 | mwester-trip | I'm havin' a good time with Qtopia on my Neo. Even took a few calls on my drive to Detroit today! |
| 22:57.45 | yabo | mwester-trip, maybe you know how i can get Python on my qtopia-freerunner? |
| 22:57.47 | paulproteus | yabo, Yes - I've had very good success with Qtopia. I suggest you try the latest "snapshot" which is from about three weeks ago. |
| 22:57.56 | paulproteus | yabo, You could probably opkg install it. |
| 22:58.01 | slaxxin | my phone,gps.pidgin , an wireless work |
| 22:58.09 | yabo | paulproteus, http://paste.rootmybox.org/index.php?show=571 |
| 22:58.18 | yabo | thats what i get from opkg update and opkg install python-core |
| 22:58.21 | paulproteus | On Qtopia? |
| 22:58.23 | yabo | yes |
| 22:58.29 | paulproteus | Hmm. No idea I'm afraid. |
| 22:58.30 | mwester-trip | yabo: find the python ipkg files from the FSO repository, use wget to download them, and then opkg install ./<filename>.ipk to install them. |
| 22:58.42 | paulproteus | You could switch to the FSO repository info. |
| 22:59.31 | mwester-trip | Best not to setup any package feeds as chaos could ensue -- if one is forced to do a cross-platform install, best to use wget manually. |
| 22:59.49 | mwester-trip | That way you make sure that nothing unexpected gets "upgraded" out from underneath you... |
| 23:00.17 | yabo | thank you mwester-trip!! |
| 23:00.24 | yabo | paulproteus, how do i do that? |
| 23:00.35 | mwester-trip | as in messages like: opkg: installing kernel 2.4.22 |
| 23:00.41 | mwester-trip | when all you wanted was python! |
| 23:00.46 | paulproteus | yabo, I'm not totally sure - you probably shouldn't unless you do a backup. Pay attention to mwester here. (-: |
| 23:01.00 | yabo | okidokeh |
| 23:01.01 | paulproteus | yabo, It should be as easy as replacing the sources.list equivalent on your phone with the one from an FSO image. |
| 23:01.30 | yabo | mwester, how do i find the python ipkg files from the FSO repository? i guess browsing http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/ doesnt work...? :P |
| 23:02.16 | yabo | paulproteus, the sources.list on my phone are the urls in /etc/opkg? |
| 23:02.27 | mwester-trip | Works for me -- I see a page that describes the feeds, with links to the fso-testing and fso-unstable feeds. |
| 23:02.43 | yabo | but i cant find python there, mwester-trip |
| 23:03.00 | paulproteus | yabo, I don't actually know, I haven't used opkg much. (-: |
| 23:03.19 | yabo | alright paulproteus, thanks anyway |
| 23:04.29 | mwester-trip | http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/armv4t/python-core_2.5.2-ml0_armv4t.ipk <--- What's that then? |
| 23:04.51 | mwester-trip | Along with dozens of other python libs and modules -- just pick the ones you need. :) |
| 23:05.36 | yabo | oh... sorry, im trying to not be the ignorant lazy noob but i guess i fail a little... thanks a lot! really, thank you so much |
| 23:05.40 | mwester-trip | (That's how I installed Perl on my Qtopia image, btw) |
| 23:06.49 | yabo | by the way |
| 23:06.56 | mwester-trip | yabo: no problem. Your situation highlights a need that has not yet been met by the community. |
| 23:07.06 | yabo | why cant we install stuff from anywhere? |
| 23:07.19 | mwester-trip | unstable |
| 23:07.20 | yabo | why cant i download python from python.org and use that, for example |
| 23:07.26 | mwester-trip | Oh |
| 23:07.30 | slaxxin | a linuxQuestions type site would work |
| 23:07.56 | slaxxin | freerunnerHQ.com? |
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| 23:08.36 | viq | Is there a way to check what files belong to a package? |
| 23:08.45 | mwester-trip | Pre-compiled binaries for software are specific to a chipset -- just as you have 32-bit intel and 64-bit intel for desktops, you have different ARM binaries. This is further complicated by the fact that the dependencies are not complete, and opkg doesn't check them thoroughly. |
| 23:09.09 | yabo | oh i see |
| 23:09.19 | mwester-trip | viq: opkg --help should show which option does that; i've forgetton. |
| 23:09.39 | viq | mwester-trip: I'm reading that and don't seem to find one |
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| 23:09.58 | jonsmith1982 | files |
| 23:10.19 | yabo | so our architecture is named armv4t? |
| 23:10.20 | viq | ...or I'm simply blind. Thanks jonsmith1982 ! |
| 23:12.14 | viq | Huh, the package qtopia-phone-x11-sip doesn't seem to be too useful on Om2008 then |
| 23:13.10 | viq | Anyway, sleep time. Good night. |
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| 23:15.58 | yabo | mwester-trip, can i make opkg work on qtopia by the way? |
| 23:16.59 | yabo | http://paste.rootmybox.org/index.php?show=571 is the output i get, i changed the urls in /etc/opkg to downloads.* instead of buildhost |
| 23:17.18 | yabo | * output from opkg update |
| 23:19.08 | mwester-trip | yabo: I'm not sure if you quite understood what I was recommending. |
| 23:19.20 | yabo | what did you recommend? |
| 23:19.28 | mwester-trip | Use your browser on your desktop to find the python packages on the FSO feeds site. |
| 23:19.33 | yabo | yeah im doing that |
| 23:19.36 | yabo | but opkg in general |
| 23:19.38 | yabo | to get other stuff |
| 23:19.56 | mwester-trip | Then "copy" the URL and "paste" it to another window that's ssh'd into the FR. |
| 23:20.11 | mwester-trip | So that you can "wget" that ipk file and download it to your FR. |
| 23:20.34 | mwester-trip | Once on your FR, you can use opkg to install the ipk file itself, without requiring the feeds directly. |
| 23:20.39 | mwester-trip | This is far safer, and much easier. |
| 23:20.55 | yabo | hum |
| 23:21.01 | mwester-trip | Although you will have to copy and paste many URLs if your python packages you need have many dependencies. |
| 23:21.38 | yabo | i downloaded the .ipk, scp sent it to the freerunner. and then i thought id go to the directory with the ipk and opkg install *.ipk |
| 23:21.39 | mwester-trip | Otherwise, you're on your own -- but it is possible to point to other feeds; it's just a matter of getting the URLs correct in the .conf files in /etc/opkg |
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| 23:22.38 | mwester-trip | opkg install ./*.ipk will work. But opkg is order-sensitive, so you may have to install all the downloaded ipks in a specific order (bottom up in the dependency tree) |
| 23:22.47 | Dave | Mwester! |
| 23:28.51 | yabo | okidoki, thank you very much |
| 23:30.03 | yabo | whaat |
| 23:31.51 | yabo | i cant find one of the dependencies |
| 23:32.00 | yabo | for python-misc |
| 23:32.19 | yabo | * db (>= 4.3.29) * |
| 23:32.54 | yabo | is that db-bin and db-dbg? |
| 23:33.51 | yabo | db-bin also requires db |
| 23:33.53 | yabo | :-S |
| 23:34.45 | yabo | mwester-trip, what are the correct URLs i should use in the .conf files in /etc/opkg? |
| 23:36.06 | mwester-trip | You can find it; you have the URLs to the packages themselves. If you look at the conf files, you can see they specify the URLs to the Packages.gz files -- just search that FSO to find it's Packages.gz files; the pattern will become apparent. |
| 23:36.26 | yabo | oh right, silly me |
| 23:36.50 | yabo | btw |
| 23:36.51 | yabo | db? |
| 23:37.01 | yabo | do you know where i can find it? |
| 23:37.33 | yabo | wait |
| 23:37.35 | yabo | ill shut up |
| 23:37.36 | yabo | found it myself |
| 23:37.47 | mwester-trip | :) |
| 23:37.49 | mwester-trip | np |
| 23:39.28 | mwester-trip | mutters that his Neo just missed an incoming SMS -- resumed from suspend to tell him that the transaction cost him USD 0.15, but Qtopia did not bother to fetch the SMS that I just paid for. |
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| 23:39.57 | ieatlint | haha |
| 23:40.06 | ieatlint | that sucks... |
| 23:40.24 | mwester-trip | wishes that ljp would at least offer a hint to what file he patched to fix this problem in 4.3.3, so he can try to reverse-engineer it -- since the sources to 4.3.3 aren't available! |
| 23:40.32 | ieatlint | but sometimes it pays off... like my ex just told me she's being trying to call me and my phone hasn't been ringing |
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| 23:42.34 | Dave | Mwester >:) |
| 23:42.36 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: http://leetcode.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/cimg2923-modified.jpg ;) |
| 23:42.37 | mwester-trip | ljp is hiding again -- he vanishes whenever I bring up the topic of the 4.3.3 patchset source code! I think the Nokia lawyers have him tied up in knots over it all. |
| 23:42.49 | Dave | haha |
| 23:42.53 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse! |
| 23:43.55 | Dave | Hallowed are the Nets. |
| 23:43.59 | nuclear_eclipse | just thought I'd show you screens of Net on ASU :P |
| 23:44.18 | nuclear_eclipse | s/screens/screen/ |
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| 23:44.57 | Dave | heh |
| 23:45.19 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse, do you care to venture a guess at how many Net screenshots I have taken from my primary freerunner? |
| 23:45.37 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.38 | nuclear_eclipse | hmm, probably either too many or not enough :P |
| 23:46.00 | Dave | kd8ikt! |
| 23:46.04 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse hehe |
| 23:46.27 | Dave | dude |
| 23:46.30 | Dave | Net cube |
| 23:46.37 | Dave | Net3d, it's the future! |
| 23:46.40 | nuclear_eclipse | I know, I jsut wish I had the time! |
| 23:47.01 | Dave | :D |
| 23:47.13 | Dave | I am thinking of recruiting help :) |
| 23:47.19 | nuclear_eclipse | too many projects to work on and PS3 games to play :P |
| 23:47.23 | Dave | that and for a couple other games I already have sleighted. |
| 23:47.28 | Dave | hehe |
| 23:47.34 | Dave | damn your videogame console :P |
| 23:47.45 | Dave | hey, apparently you can use the controller with teh freerunner though! |
| 23:47.47 | Dave | :D |
| 23:48.18 | nuclear_eclipse | lol, that'd be sweet when mixed with something like a NES emu :D |
| 23:48.30 | Dave | yep |
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| 23:48.38 | nuclear_eclipse | my controller is bigger than my screen! |
| 23:48.43 | Dave | yep |
| 23:48.43 | Dave | :D |
| 23:48.49 | Dave | but hey, at least it's a good one ;) |
| 23:49.21 | Dave | I bet the freerunner is heavier, haha. |
| 23:49.57 | nuclear_eclipse | not when I use the Dual Shock 3 :P |
| 23:50.08 | Dave | haha |
| 23:50.21 | Dave | whore :p |
| 23:50.40 | nuclear_eclipse | runs to grab DS3 to make sure it's heavier than Neo |
| 23:50.41 | Dave | I hardly see how that could benefit Net play. |
| 23:50.47 | Dave | :D |
| 23:50.55 | Dave | Yeah, check. You might be surprised :P |
| 23:50.59 | nuclear_eclipse | hmm, about the same in weight, actually |
| 23:51.15 | Dave | :o |
| 23:51.28 | Dave | perfectly matched? |
| 23:51.35 | nuclear_eclipse | just about :P |
| 23:51.38 | nuclear_eclipse | is off to dinner |
| 23:51.40 | Dave | sweet |
| 23:51.42 | nuclear_eclipse | laters |
| 23:51.44 | yabo | yay |
| 23:51.45 | Dave | sends nuclear_eclipse SIGFOOD |
| 23:51.49 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 23:51.52 | yabo | just got opkg working |
| 23:51.57 | Dave | \o/ |
| 23:52.05 | nuclear_eclipse | waves bye .o/ |
| 23:52.07 | Dave | yabo, great! now don't break your qtopia install :P |
| 23:52.10 | Dave | o/ |
| 23:52.13 | yabo | wait |
| 23:52.16 | yabo | no i didnt |
| 23:52.37 | yabo | do i need all the files in /etc/opkg? |
| 23:52.52 | yabo | i guess they should be there, but. |
| 23:53.03 | yabo | i changed all the urls to http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/armv4t/ |
| 23:53.20 | yabo | but im getting signature fails on some of the |
| 23:53.21 | yabo | OH WAIT |
| 23:53.26 | Dave | OH SNAP |
| 23:53.30 | yabo | people tell me to ignore the signatures |
| 23:53.33 | Dave | yabo, yeah, you should always ignore that |
| 23:53.37 | yabo | oooh ok |
| 23:53.43 | Dave | furthermore, I thought you were running qtopia |
| 23:53.47 | yabo | i am |
| 23:53.51 | Dave | if so, WHY are you updating it with fso?? |
| 23:53.59 | Dave | I hope you're just installing SELECT packages :p |
| 23:54.10 | yabo | im installing the python stuff |
| 23:54.10 | Dave | otherwise, you'll destroy your qtopia installation. :) |
| 23:54.17 | Dave | (e.g. opkg upgrade) |
| 23:54.20 | yabo | and i did opkg update |
| 23:54.23 | Dave | just an fyi :P |
| 23:54.28 | yabo | i ruined my qtopia installation then? :p |
| 23:55.13 | yabo | no? |
| 23:56.17 | yabo | wah, please say yes or no before i die |
| 23:56.19 | yabo | :-| |
| 23:56.32 | yabo | upgrade != update |
| 23:56.33 | yabo | ? |
| 23:57.38 | Dave | indeed! |
| 23:57.42 | yabo | so im safe? :P |
| 23:57.48 | balrog-k1n | splonge |
| 23:57.50 | Dave | yeah |
| 23:57.53 | yabo | wuu |
| 23:57.55 | yabo | shower i shall |
| 23:57.58 | yabo | thanks for all the help |
| 23:57.58 | ieatlint | ok, you know someone has an issue whenthey keep "accidentally" calling it the "thc dream" |
| 23:58.00 | Dave | don't upgrade :P |
| 23:58.01 | yabo | i learned a lot |
| 23:58.05 | yabo | bai |
| 23:58.09 | Dave | o_o |
| 23:58.19 | Dave | ieatlint, have you been smoking your code again? :p |
| 23:58.29 | yabo | rofls |
| 23:58.39 | balrog-k1n | i don't think python will collide with anything in qtopia |
| 23:58.43 | yabo | snickers... smoking code mwhihihih |
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| 23:58.55 | ieatlint | i don't smoke ... anything, but a "friend" keeps harassing me about the tmo g1, and seems to honestly keep misspelling it thc |
| 23:59.00 | johnsu01 | what's wrong with doing an opkg upgrade undier qtopia? |
| 23:59.10 | Dave | haha, wtf? |
| 23:59.26 | johnsu01 | does it just about daily |
| 23:59.32 | Dave | johnsu01, well, if you're package repository happens to be set to that of another distro... |
| 23:59.40 | ieatlint | i think i broke someone's heart when i told them that even if/when it's hacked and unlocked, you wouldn't want it on att as well |
| 23:59.43 | Dave | You figure out what happens. |
| 23:59.49 | johnsu01 | Dave: all the qtopia stuff is in /opt/Nokia/Qtopia though? |
| 23:59.56 | johnsu01 | which opkg doesn't touch |
