| 00:01.20 | mwester | My kingdom! My kingdom for the Qtopia 4.3.3 source! |
| 00:03.26 | Dave | :D |
| 00:03.32 | Dave | haha |
| 00:03.35 | Dave | all my kingdom |
| 00:03.43 | Dave | smiles at mwester |
| 00:07.08 | raster | wobbles |
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| 00:08.58 | lpotter | fobbles |
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| 00:16.32 | ceda | hears his son snore |
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| 00:36.50 | slaxxin | says theres 243 850 freerunners up for grabs |
| 00:37.42 | slaxxin | freerunners for sale |
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| 00:37.44 | slaxxin | freerunners for sale |
| 00:37.53 | SpeedEvil | where? |
| 00:37.56 | Dave | mwester |
| 00:38.05 | slaxxin | .com store |
| 00:38.14 | Dave | slaxxin.com? |
| 00:38.26 | slaxxin | openmoko.com |
| 00:38.27 | slaxxin | lol |
| 00:38.38 | mwester | already has an 850MHz Freerunner. |
| 00:39.03 | Dave | :) |
| 00:39.06 | Dave | mwester mwester |
| 00:39.15 | Dave | Bring me your code |
| 00:39.19 | slaxxin | he no need 1 |
| 00:39.35 | mwester | What me doesn't have is lpotter's Qtopia 4.3.3 patches. :( |
| 00:41.20 | Dave | :[ |
| 00:41.38 | Dave | slaps lpotter around a bit with a large repository |
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| 00:43.23 | uzytkownik | Hello. How to change the keyboard in 2008.08? I've tried to make a geasture over keyboard up-down but nothing happend. |
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| 00:53.36 | slaxxin | applt some pressure while sliding yo finger |
| 00:55.13 | uzytkownik | slaxxin: If I do it too slow it shows zoom. Is faster preassure needed? |
| 00:55.40 | slaxxin | yes |
| 00:56.12 | slaxxin | might wanna install illum config |
| 00:56.43 | slaxxin | u hae FDOM? |
| 00:57.44 | slaxxin | u have usb networking going yet? |
| 00:57.59 | uzytkownik | Not at the moment |
| 00:58.08 | uzytkownik | but I;ll set up it in a minute |
| 00:58.27 | slaxxin | fdom no setup is nedded |
| 00:59.29 | uzytkownik | Is it worth to install fdom instead of asu? |
| 01:01.49 | rwhitby | wonders how one updates fdom once it's installed, since all the mods to it are not in package feeds ... |
| 01:09.58 | slaxxin | asu prolly is better choice |
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| 01:13.39 | uzytkownik | Ok. I will play tomorrow. Eighter asu or check why wifi on 2007.02 do not work (it worked on previous model which had broken and has been replaced by seller) |
| 01:13.43 | mwester | wonders if fdom publishes the source to their mods? |
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| 01:28.24 | rwhitby | mwester: I wonder what trojans could be easily put in there too ;-) |
| 01:28.52 | mwester | Hmm... has that ever happened in opensource projects? |
| 01:29.09 | mwester | vaguely remembers something about openoffice? |
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| 01:39.39 | mwester | Ok, I give up - what's the trick here? How do you enter a WAP key -- or any string of random characters -- with the 2008.8 on-screen keyboard? What a horrible, horrible design that is. I'm trying to imagine giving that to someone who doesn't like puzzles... |
| 01:40.47 | raster | mwester: you must hold your figner down for 2 seconds and drag |
| 01:40.52 | raster | to enter a sepcific letter |
| 01:41.15 | raster | and remember to flip key layouts all the time alpha <-> num |
| 01:41.25 | ShellEvil | raster: you need to include a popup hint. Triggered by the accelerometers detecting it being thrown across the room. |
| 01:43.06 | raster | ShellEvil: dont lok at me |
| 01:43.16 | raster | i disowned anythign to do with 2008.08's keyboard stuff |
| 01:43.32 | raster | in fact most of the ui "decisions" |
| 01:43.43 | raster | like pretty much no config possibilities |
| 01:43.49 | raster | (or easily accessible ones) |
| 01:44.02 | ShellEvil | :/ |
| 01:44.21 | ShellEvil | That's not a bad thing. |
| 01:44.30 | ShellEvil | _for a release quality phone software stack_ |
| 01:44.31 | johngay | lookin at raster |
| 01:44.46 | ShellEvil | That you want to actually give to users, and be able to support them. |
| 01:44.59 | ShellEvil | But We're some way from that yet. |
| 01:46.15 | mwester | Holding it down seems to put it in some sort of "assembly" area -- it randomly adds the character to the password string - or not. So with long WAP key, with multiple cases, mixed letters and characters, obscured by asterisks, it's pretty dubious that I'm going to get this right. |
| 01:46.43 | raster | :) |
| 01:46.53 | raster | points to keyboard alternatives... that work |
| 01:46.59 | mwester | gets his pitchfork and ties straw to a stick, dips it in tar, lights it, and heads for .tw |
| 01:47.09 | raster | also points to other images that... are not 2008.08 |
| 01:47.44 | mwester | is happy -- well almost, ljp owes us some patches!!!!, anyway is happy with Qtopia on his GTA01. |
| 01:52.12 | mwester | I spent almost a week waiting for Om to fix the stable branch so I could build 2008.8 -- I felt obligated to flash it and try it, at least, after all that trouble. |
| 01:52.21 | mwester | I think that's enough, now :) |
| 01:54.21 | mwester | 5 seconds to bring up the dialer... |
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| 02:32.10 | RayDar | re |
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| 02:51.34 | wastrel | ehlo |
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| 03:09.20 | MichaelShiloh | wastrel: ehlo - very cute. |
| 03:09.55 | wastrel | i telnet to mail servers a lot |
| 03:10.01 | wastrel | it's actually a bad habit |
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| 03:14.43 | Pyrasi | haha...i do too |
| 03:15.50 | Pyrasi | i like the ones with funny messages left by the admins =P |
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| 05:10.06 | BierSchaumSchlue | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/2199735/ ?!? |
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| 06:15.09 | buti | hi |
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| 06:17.45 | buti | is there a known problem with the wifi-driver? |
| 06:18.01 | buti | we have two aps with the same ssid on different channels |
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| 06:18.24 | buti | when both are visible the freerunner wifi driver breaks |
| 06:19.35 | sgrover | I'm confused. Following http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TangoGPS for getting TangoGPS running under Debian. It says you can turn on GPS via zhone. I don't see any way in zhone to do that.... am I missing something? |
| 06:20.05 | sgrover | (relatively fresh debian install the other day, so what ever version of Zhone came with that...) |
| 06:22.10 | sgrover | hmmm.. it won't work anyways. Doing /etc/init.d/gpsd start at the command line is giving me "not starting GPS (Global Positiong System) daemon: gpsd" |
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| 07:21.22 | Raigedas | can you help me to figure out why my FR cannot reach internet (cannot ping to router 62.80.241.40 , says "Network is unreachable") my network is: http://raigedas.info/temp/net.png |
| 07:21.55 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/18/symbian_on_linux/ <-- hmmm |
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| 07:26.05 | prjktdtnt | I love my openmoko :), am sitting in the passenger seat of my friends car doing 50mph and chatting :) |
| 07:26.55 | prjktdtnt | I wish that I had 3G though, GPRS is so slow |
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| 07:28.35 | Daramarak | Good to hear that someone is loving it |
| 07:28.51 | prjktdtnt | darmarak: aren't you? |
| 07:29.12 | prjktdtnt | err daramarak rather |
| 07:30.15 | gromez | prjktdtnt: use TAB for nick highlighting ;) |
| 07:30.36 | prjktdtnt | gromez: didn't know that, thanks for the tip |
| 07:32.14 | ceda | buti: yes, there are known and unknown issues with wifi |
| 07:32.52 | buti | ceda: good to know. are there any known work-arounds for my particular problem? |
| 07:32.54 | ceda | werner sent an updated to the kernel mailing list recently, stating a few known bugs with open and wep networks |
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| 07:33.26 | ceda | buti: don't know, try to search for it at docs.openmoko.org and the wiki, and also the mailing lists |
| 07:33.39 | buti | ok, thanks |
| 07:33.47 | prjktdtnt | ceda: what about WPA? I have a wpa network and mine using the gui hasn't ever been able to connect successfully |
| 07:34.08 | ShellEvil | prk: it's a security measure. |
| 07:34.11 | buti | prjktdtnt: true for me to, mofi works quite well though |
| 07:34.14 | ShellEvil | It's more secure if you can't connect. |
| 07:34.17 | buti | but not if both aps are wisible |
| 07:34.28 | ceda | buti: I can't recall someone reporting that specific problem, so I really think you should send an e-mail to community@ and see if anyone can reproduce the same problem |
| 07:34.34 | prjktdtnt | buti: I even tried mofi actually, it didn't seem to work |
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| 07:35.21 | buti | ceda: i'll do a few more test, unplugging the aps and testing separately. |
| 07:35.42 | buti | the bad thing is the driver mostly really hangs |
| 07:35.49 | buti | (reboot required) |
| 07:35.59 | ceda | prjktdtnt: again, I have no idea. I've only gotten open networks to work properly. I've not put any energy into trying to fix/identify WLAN issues |
| 07:36.08 | buti | maybe making it a module would be a good step |
| 07:36.19 | prjktdtnt | ceda: not worried I use USB or GPRS anyway |
| 07:36.24 | Daramarak | prjktdtnt: I haven't received mine yet :) |
| 07:36.24 | prjktdtnt | they work fine |
| 07:36.31 | ceda | buti: yes. always set the wep key first, then the ssid (or the ssid will be wiped out) |
| 07:36.54 | prjktdtnt | Daramarak: bummer, i remember waiting for mine, I was so excited when I finally got it I was almost late for work |
| 07:36.56 | buti | ceda: we got wpa |
| 07:36.59 | ceda | and don't set the string wep key (s:something) because that isn't reliable |
| 07:37.11 | ceda | prjktdtnt: me to :) |
| 07:37.18 | buti | and also a strange phenomenon: wpa_supplicant -u gets magically restarted all the time |
| 07:37.27 | buti | with no ppid, so i'm kind of lost |
| 07:37.30 | Daramarak | prjktdtnt: Received notice from Pulster.de that I had to wait to 20th of octrober :( |
| 07:38.08 | prjktdtnt | Daramarak: oh wow, I thought my week and a half was too long to wait, well just know that by the time you get yours they'll probably fix even more problems |
| 07:38.24 | prjktdtnt | by the time I got mine they had GPRS via gui (if you'd already programmed the chatscripts) |
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| 07:45.11 | sgrover | prjktdtnt: I ordered mine in middle of Aug. Just arrived this week. |
| 07:45.27 | sgrover | (shipped to wrong address though, returned, resent....) |
| 07:46.19 | kvk | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.39 | sgrover | ceda: I'm coming into this late, but I had the same issue with wifi connection, with a fresh 2008.8 install |
| 07:46.49 | Daramarak | prjktdtnt: Yeah, I know. But it is a long time to wait, esp. when I was supposed to recive it this monday. |
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| 07:48.39 | sakkara | Daramarak: i also ordered from pulster and it took one and a half month... |
| 07:48.47 | sgrover | so I just found out that doing a Debian install on a 512MB microSD, and then installing XFCE quickly fills the SD card. And once filled, the FreeRunner has problems booting.. :) |
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| 07:50.15 | sgrover | Koolu in Canada was only a 3 week wait.... (for first shippment)... |
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| 07:59.12 | beni_ | sakkara: this is because pulster gets the phones in patches |
| 07:59.17 | beni_ | which are sold out very quickly. |
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| 08:01.05 | sakkara | yeah... |
| 08:02.59 | Arigead | Sorry need a bit of help with http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain building the sample APP |
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| 08:08.20 | Arigead | I've followed the instructions and have not gotten an error but can't see an executable? |
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| 08:10.51 | sgrover | Arigead: hmm.. just did the same, and I'm not seeing the compiled file... |
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| 08:12.42 | sgrover | Arigead: it's under the src directory |
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| 08:16.05 | Arigead | Sgrover: Oh be the Hockey! Why didn't I think to look in src folder. Thanks a million |
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| 08:31.15 | RedFlash | hi, how do I add LD_FLAGS correctly in openmoko toolchain.. |
| 08:31.16 | RedFlash | ? |
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| 08:32.49 | RedFlash | for now I simply added my lib in Makefile.am which now has myapp_LDADD = @DEPENDENCIES_LIBS@ -pthread (pthread is the lib I need) |
| 08:33.58 | prjktdtnt | That was odd, earlier I was chatting on my lappy via GPRS then the modem just stopped responding |
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| 08:58.50 | Zoup | do you get event under /dev/input/event0 when you insert headphone ? |
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| 09:03.54 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 09:04.21 | prjktdtnt | Hopscotch: morning |
| 09:04.25 | prjktdtnt | evening for me though |
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| 09:05.15 | ieatlint | evening? where is it evening? |
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| 09:05.30 | ieatlint | aussieland? |
| 09:05.30 | Hopscotch | not quite morning here, either |
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| 09:06.20 | prjktdtnt | Hopscotch and ieatlint: my schedule is about 12 hours off what it should be, I work nights so I get off work at midnight |
| 09:06.24 | prjktdtnt | i'm in PST |
| 09:06.40 | ieatlint | lucky |
| 09:06.44 | ieatlint | i'm still in PDT |
| 09:06.47 | ieatlint | damned daylight savings |
| 09:07.05 | prjktdtnt | I forget to differentiate between daylight savings |
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| 09:07.13 | prjktdtnt | so I guess it would be PDT |
| 09:07.15 | ieatlint | i'm just screwing with you :P |
| 09:07.25 | ieatlint | but yeah, until october, pdt |
| 09:07.31 | prjktdtnt | righto |
| 09:07.46 | prjktdtnt | I just call it America/Los_Angeles when I'm working on my PC lol |
| 09:08.04 | ieatlint | yeah, for you to be on cox, you have to be in socal |
| 09:08.17 | prjktdtnt | Vegas |
| 09:08.29 | ieatlint | ah |
| 09:08.54 | ieatlint | comcast hasn't gotten to you there yet either... cherish the time you have left |
| 09:09.03 | prjktdtnt | Ih8comcrap |
| 09:09.26 | prjktdtnt | I had them when I lived in UT |
| 09:09.47 | prjktdtnt | they sucked so bad |
| 09:10.17 | ieatlint | yeah, you get tired of commercials that advertise their cable internet as being faster than dsl -- with the small print saying their higher tier compared to dsl's lowest |
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| 09:10.47 | prjktdtnt | ieatlint: no kidding, also I refuse to believe that I just happend to have 3 bad routers in the course of 6 months |
| 09:10.53 | prjktdtnt | I finally ditched them for Xmission |
| 09:10.59 | ieatlint | or how their tv server has more hd channels than satellite, even though satellite has about 180 compared to their 80... they just count every "ondemand" program they have in hd as a "channel" |
| 09:11.18 | ieatlint | err, service, not server :P |
| 09:11.40 | prjktdtnt | even though it was only 1.5M down at least XMission DSL worked |
| 09:11.57 | ieatlint | yeah, i have att dsl, 3mbit, but no comcast :) |
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| 09:12.20 | prjktdtnt | ieatlint: nice |
| 09:12.26 | ieatlint | although for an extra $40, i could get 15mbit comcast... but. i hate them that much |
| 09:12.39 | prjktdtnt | I wouldn't go back to them either |
| 09:12.54 | prjktdtnt | I would use my phone's GPRS connection before going to comcast |
| 09:13.03 | prjktdtnt | and my phone is only about dial-up speeds |
| 09:13.07 | ieatlint | lol... i wouldn't go that far |
| 09:13.37 | ieatlint | i'm just hoping att brings u-verse to my neighbourhood soon... all the surrounding neighbourhoods already have it |
| 09:13.51 | prjktdtnt | I would, they treated me like crap, especially since they were the only guy in town for about 2 years before quest finally brought DSL to our neighborhood |
| 09:14.17 | ieatlint | gives you tv, phone and internet over a dsl-like connection... i think they have 12mbit internet in my area now, for about $100 for basic cable tv/internet |
| 09:14.23 | prjktdtnt | they were going to build municipal fiber but I moved before it was in my neighborhood |
| 09:14.58 | ieatlint | cable used to rule too... comcast just killed it |
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| 09:15.09 | prjktdtnt | exactly |
| 09:15.37 | prjktdtnt | actually my GPRS was cool today, chatting in here via my laptop over the GPRS while my friend was driving 50mph |
| 09:15.58 | prjktdtnt | worked great until PPP stopped talking to the modem |
| 09:16.50 | ieatlint | i got tci@home back in 1998... lived in a test market... it ruled |
| 09:17.06 | ieatlint | you got straight 10mbit full duplex |
| 09:17.10 | prjktdtnt | I was on dialup until about 01 or 02 |
| 09:17.17 | prjktdtnt | 10mb full duplex?! that's nuts |
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| 09:17.38 | sgrover | is that 10 milli-bits??? :) |
| 09:17.41 | ieatlint | yeah, the restriction was by the cable modem's 10mbit port |
| 09:18.13 | prjktdtnt | wow |
| 09:18.15 | ieatlint | about a year before they died, they finally started limiting the connections |
| 09:18.42 | prjktdtnt | that's crazy |
| 09:18.45 | ieatlint | then att bought TCI (the cable company in the san fran bay area at the time), then att sold to comcast |
| 09:18.47 | sgrover | so, I have a brand spanking new Debian install on the FR. Any ideas why the calendar tool isn't operational? |
| 09:18.57 | prjktdtnt | the fiber that they were laying in Davis county UT was 15 up/down |
| 09:19.00 | prjktdtnt | for $45/mo |
| 09:19.08 | ieatlint | because the calendar tool is just a button, a to be completed feature |
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| 09:20.07 | ieatlint | i wish they'd lay fibre down the streets here in sf... i'd love to get that kind of connection |
| 09:20.15 | ieatlint | but no business would see it as profitable |
| 09:20.36 | sgrover | ieatlint: thanks. |
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| 09:21.52 | sgrover | anyone hear of openvpn running on the FR? |
| 09:22.07 | sgrover | guess I could just try and see what happens.. :) |
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| 09:22.59 | viq | sgrover: please report, I am interested in doing that ;) |
| 09:23.09 | viq | sgrover: which distribution are you doing that on? |
| 09:23.19 | sgrover | viq: Debian |
| 09:24.30 | sgrover | viq: I'm gonna pack it in right away (3:20ish AM here) though. Keep an eye on my blog at http://grover.open2space.com though - that is something I would most definetly record... just so I could recreate my steps 6 months later.. :) |
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| 09:33.28 | prjktdtnt | so will Debian's base install fit on the 512MB card or do you have to get a larger one? |
| 09:34.26 | ieatlint | it'll fit |
| 09:34.34 | ieatlint | uses something like 400mb |
| 09:35.00 | prjktdtnt | cool, will have to try it out since I hear so much about it |
| 09:36.27 | enriko | hm |
| 09:36.31 | enriko | i eard about problems |
| 09:36.48 | enriko | about mouse and touchscreen controls beating each other |
| 09:37.03 | ieatlint | no problems, only undocumented features |
| 09:38.32 | Zoup | anyone care to test this ? cat /dev/input/event0 and do insert head phone |
| 09:39.13 | ieatlint | sure, just give me a min to find the headphones |
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| 09:40.50 | Zoup | ieatlint: thank you |
| 09:41.12 | ieatlint | i get a binary response when i insert them |
| 09:41.17 | ieatlint | you want a bin or hexdump of it? |
| 09:41.33 | Zoup | ieatlint: argh , no thanks , are you running om2008 ? |
| 09:41.49 | ieatlint | no, fso ms3 on this phone right now |
| 09:41.54 | Zoup | ieatlint: i get no response , even with daily kernels |
| 09:43.01 | Zoup | ieatlint: thank you for your help :) |
| 09:43.23 | ieatlint | np |
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| 09:50.28 | DEac- | moin moin |
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| 09:52.59 | prjktdtnt | did the SMS problem ever get fixed in zhone/FSO? |
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| 09:55.45 | Zoup | anyone with om2008+ care to test this ? cat /dev/input/event0 and do insert head phone |
| 09:59.29 | prjktdtnt | Anyone use SMS on FSO M3/Zhone and does it work? Last I tested it wasn't working |
| 10:00.48 | Tig| | it sort of does |
| 10:01.05 | prjktdtnt | Tig|: still has the odd sending issues? |
| 10:01.09 | Tig| | I would not rely on it full time |
| 10:01.24 | Tig| | yeah, it does work but sporadically |
| 10:01.35 | prjktdtnt | I guess I'll stick with FDOM for now then |
| 10:01.41 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r82287ee6b318 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [qt4-x11-free] Bump up revision of qt4-x11-free from 4.3.3 to 4.4.1 |
| 10:01.41 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rdc954ec5a3b4 10/packages/qt4/qt4-x11-free.inc: [qt4-x11-free] Add webkit support |
| 10:01.42 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r3baf49e7c810 10/packages/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [sip] Patch came from Erin_Yueh |
| 10:01.43 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r16ee68455736 10/packages/python/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [pyqt] Patch came from Erin_Yueh |
| 10:01.44 | prjktdtnt | which sucks cause I like zhone's look |
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| 10:01.46 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r7a7956b690de 10/packages/python/python-pyqt.inc: [python-pyqt] Change SRC_URI |
| 10:01.49 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * re471dd9410e0 10/packages/python/python-sip.inc: [python-sip] Change SRC_URI |
| 10:03.17 | bove | What wifi-utility are people using for Qtopia? |
| 10:05.07 | max_posedon | bove, I use tool comming with qtopia |
| 10:06.26 | bove | dows it suppoert wpa1/2 or wep? |
| 10:07.26 | max_posedon | I didn't tested, may be, I don't know. |
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| 10:07.57 | bove | mine only says "Connection state: not connected", though it has one WPA and one WEP in range |
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| 10:10.59 | TAsn | hey does anyone know how can i play with PDU mode in sms in fso3? cause im having an issue reading multilanguage sms and i think that may be related |
| 10:12.09 | max_posedon | bove, you can configure wpa_supplicant via terminal, I think) |
| 10:19.54 | DEac- | it's save to kill X to restart the gui? |
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| 10:21.31 | soundar | how to add libcurl to openmoo toolchain |
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| 10:26.22 | Raigedas | would should i set gateway address on my FR? |
| 10:26.57 | Raigedas | like on windows it is possible to indicate gateway for adapter |
| 10:27.30 | Raigedas | i mean "how should i set" , not "would should i set" :( |
| 10:27.32 | Raigedas | how |
| 10:27.50 | viq | Raigedas: "netstat -rn" to show, "route add default gw IP.Ad.dr.es" to set |
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| 10:30.35 | Raigedas | thanks god, my FR eventually is able to ping to outside world |
| 10:31.10 | Raigedas | after about half a day trying to achieve this.. |
| 10:31.19 | Raigedas | thanks very much everybody |
| 10:32.20 | TAsn | Raigedas, why didn't you just turn it on in the first place?! |
| 10:32.21 | TAsn | ;] |
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| 10:33.35 | DrRabbit | hey, I can't get to the repo for NeoTool for some reason |
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| 10:34.02 | Raigedas | TAsn, i am conncting FR to win xp.. and was trying to enable "internet connection sharing" but failed because my network was on the 192.168.0.x subnet |
| 10:34.17 | Raigedas | now i moved everything to another subnet |
| 10:34.45 | TAsn | Raigedas, should have read the wiki ;] |
| 10:35.37 | DrRabbit | http://users.on.net/~antisol/neotool |
| 10:35.37 | Raigedas | TAsn, of course i read.. but did not understand how to make that bridge.. :( |
| 10:35.41 | DrRabbit | does that work for anyone else |
| 10:36.02 | TAsn | nope. |
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| 10:36.49 | Zoup | anyone with om2008+ care to test this ? cat /dev/input/event0 and do insert head phone |
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| 10:43.34 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03marek * r4657 10/trunk/src/host/pye17/: main folder for e17 python bindings created |
| 10:44.42 | Raigedas | is openmoko.org server down frequently in these days? web page does not open sometimes and i cannot execute "opkg update" at the moment... |
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| 10:46.00 | Raigedas | or am i having problems with my DNS... |
| 10:46.01 | Raigedas | ? |
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| 10:52.11 | TAsn | hey mickeyl got a sec for two questions? (one is short, about the other, im not sure) |
| 10:52.24 | TAsn | actually 3 if you count an off topic one ;] |
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| 10:53.15 | mickeyl | go ahead |
| 10:53.19 | TAsn | thanks. |
| 10:53.36 | prjktdtnt | ok debian just installed finally, now to see how well it works |
| 10:53.37 | TAsn | well the first, is that for some reason i don't have access to the sms section in the framework specs |
| 10:53.54 | TAsn | here: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/index.html;hb=HEAD |
| 10:54.01 | TAsn | do you have any idea why? |
| 10:54.33 | mickeyl | this spec is not existing |
| 10:54.36 | mickeyl | and not necessary atm. |
| 10:54.43 | TAsn | i c :) |
| 10:54.54 | TAsn | just rely on mdbus for exploring then? |
| 10:55.01 | mickeyl | no, it's not existing |
| 10:55.06 | mickeyl | not implemented either |
| 10:55.11 | mickeyl | and not necessary |
| 10:55.13 | mickeyl | atm. |
| 10:55.16 | TAsn | no, i mean in order to know what's there. |
| 10:55.20 | mickeyl | heh |
| 10:55.22 | mickeyl | there is nothing there |
| 10:55.39 | mickeyl | org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS is not alive yet |
| 10:55.42 | TAsn | not necessarily in the sms section, framework api in general |
| 10:55.45 | mickeyl | ah |
| 10:55.58 | mickeyl | well, all other specs are 95% to 100% implemented by frameworkd |
| 10:56.06 | mickeyl | mdbus of course tells the whole story |
| 10:56.10 | mickeyl | but offline specs are nice |
| 10:56.24 | mickeyl | to send SMS, all you need is in .SIM |
| 10:56.24 | TAsn | well for the second question, i read in your blog entry that you implemented pdu sms |
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| 10:56.31 | TAsn | mickeyl, saw that. |
| 10:56.39 | mickeyl | yeah, pdu sms is in ms3 activated |
| 10:56.47 | mickeyl | just no support for UCS2 yet |
| 10:56.52 | TAsn | ok |
| 10:56.56 | TAsn | that was my next q ;) |
| 10:56.59 | TAsn | thanks. |
| 10:57.00 | TAsn | hehe |
| 10:57.53 | TAsn | ok, now the 3rd question, what technology does the iphone use for touch sensing? and is it possible to get a special stylus to work on that? (wanna know if it's a good idea for the moko as well) |
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| 10:58.07 | Raigedas | where should i change that opkg would connect to downloads.openmoko.org instead of buildhost.openmoko.org ? there is no file /etc/apt/sources.list :( |
| 10:58.11 | mickeyl | the iphone is using a capacitive touchscreen |
| 10:58.17 | mickeyl | there are styluses for that |
| 10:58.18 | mickeyl | but only few |
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| 10:58.29 | mickeyl | since it requires somthing more than just applying pressure |
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| 10:58.43 | mickeyl | Raigedas: look in /etc/ipkg/ |
| 10:58.50 | Raigedas | thanks |
| 10:58.52 | TAsn | and the last question, i looked around with mdbus, and saw a lot of main paths (forgot the name) and they all implement the same methods, why are they splitted? |
| 10:58.55 | dolf1074 | isn't it opkg? |
| 10:59.27 | TAsn | mickeyl, all of those for instance: |
| 10:59.29 | TAsn | org.freesmartphone.frameworkd |
| 10:59.29 | TAsn | org.freesmartphone.odeviced |
| 10:59.29 | TAsn | org.freesmartphone.oeventsd |
| 10:59.29 | TAsn | org.freesmartphone.ogpsd |
| 10:59.35 | TAsn | provide the same api iirc |
| 10:59.43 | TAsn | so why they all exist and not just one? |
| 10:59.49 | mickeyl | that's a bug in dbus |
| 10:59.54 | TAsn | cool :) |
| 11:00.04 | TAsn | that's all i wanted to know. |
| 11:00.04 | Robot101 | you want dbus to do virtual hosting? :P |
| 11:00.05 | mickeyl | since usually a process only aquires one busname |
| 11:00.09 | dns53 | i'm going to a software freedom day event, anyone got something i can have printed out? |
| 11:00.14 | Robot101 | that's not a bug, it's entirely as specified |
| 11:00.21 | Robot101 | that's why people namespace their object paths too |
| 11:00.21 | TAsn | mickeyl, thanks a lot. |
| 11:00.28 | TAsn | all i wanted to know. |
| 11:00.32 | mickeyl | Robot101: heh, yeah |
| 11:00.33 | Robot101 | if you really want to do multiple object namespaces, make multiple connections |
| 11:00.51 | TAsn | do you know when ucs2 will be supported? |
| 11:00.59 | Robot101 | I don't consider this particularly onerous, it's quite uncommon to merge disparate services into the same process |
| 11:01.10 | Robot101 | telepathy uses multiple bus names per service quite a lot |
| 11:01.41 | Robot101 | as a way of making certain exported objects discoverable to others on the bus, and ensuring uniqueness, it registers a bus name for each connection object |
| 11:01.56 | mickeyl | TAsn: should be there within the next 3 weeks |
| 11:02.26 | mickeyl | Robot101: sure. scripting languages are an exception though. i don't have the luxury of running 10 python processes on my embedded devicew |
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| 11:03.03 | mickeyl | yes, you could argue whether python has a place on an embedded device :D |
| 11:03.19 | udohateme | THE NEGRO BRAIN |
| 11:03.19 | udohateme | FACT #17: Among human races numerous studies have been madeof the comparative weight of White and Negro brains with results that fellwithin the range of about an 8-12 percent lower weight for the Negro brain.Such studies have been conducted by Bean, Pearl, Vint, Tilney, Gordon, Todd,and others. (23) (27) |
| 11:03.19 | udohateme | FACT #18: In addition to the difference in brain weight, the Negrobrain grows less after puberty than the white. Though the Negro brain andnervous system mature faster than the white brain, its development is arrestedat an earlier age which limits further intellectual advancement. (22) (27) |
| 11:03.22 | udohateme | FACT #19: The thickness of the supragranular layer (the outside layer)of the Negro brain is about 15 percent thinner, and its convolutions arefewer and more simple, on average, than that of the White brain. (9) |
| 11:03.23 | bove | anyone installed Qtopia qss2 on the freerunner? |
| 11:03.26 | udohateme | FACT #20: The frontal lobes of the Negro brain, responsible for abstractconceptional reasoning, are smaller relative to body weight, less fissured,and less complex than those of the White brain. (9) (27) (23) (22) |
| 11:03.39 | Robot101 | mickeyl: yes, but you can still have one python process make 10 dbus connections though. calling it a bug in dbus is pretty unfair. thats like saying it's a bug in ssh that when you ssh to a server it has the same usernames even though you used a different hostname. :P |
| 11:03.55 | mickeyl | Robot101: heh, ok, i'll call it 'by design' then |
| 11:04.15 | TAsn | mickeyl, why don't use just use different path's instead? |
| 11:04.23 | Robot101 | it's just how dbus works, thats it. :) the bug is in the python API for fooling you that the bus name is at all relevant when you export an object |
| 11:04.38 | TAsn | the current distribution inside each of them looks quite fine. |
| 11:04.47 | mickeyl | TAsn: different subsystems should have different busnames. |
| 11:05.05 | mickeyl | the relation of subsystem to process is bound to change |
| 11:05.06 | udohateme | THE NEGRO BRAIN |
| 11:05.08 | udohateme | FACT #17: Among human races numerous studies have been madeof the comparative weight of White and Negro brains with results that fellwithin the range of about an 8-12 percent lower weight for the Negro brain.Such studies have been conducted by Bean, Pearl, Vint, Tilney, Gordon, Todd,and others. (23) (27) |
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| 11:05.11 | TAsn | ok. maybe that makes sense. ;] |
| 11:05.13 | udohateme | FACT #18: In addition to the difference in brain weight, the Negrobrain grows less after puberty than the white. Though the Negro brain andnervous system mature faster than the white brain, its development is arrestedat an earlier age which limits further intellectual advancement. (22) (27) |
| 11:05.16 | udohateme | FACT #19: The thickness of the supragranular layer (the outside layer)of the Negro brain is about 15 percent thinner, and its convolutions arefewer and more simple, on average, than that of the White brain. (9) |
| 11:05.19 | udohateme | FACT #20: The frontal lobes of the Negro brain, responsible for abstractconceptional reasoning, are smaller relative to body weight, less fissured,and less complex than those of the White brain. (9) (27) (23) (22) |
| 11:05.26 | ShellEvil | sighs. |
| 11:05.29 | *** mode/#openmoko [+o mickeyl] by ChanServ |
| 11:05.36 | *** kick/#openmoko [udohateme!i=mickey@openmoko/coreteam/mickey] by mickeyl (mickeyl) |
| 11:05.41 | *** mode/#openmoko [+b udohateme!*@*] by mickeyl |
| 11:05.48 | mickeyl | bye |
| 11:06.09 | TAsn | well anyhow i wasted a lot of time yesterday on trying to figure out why i can't get multilang sms ;] |
| 11:06.16 | TAsn | it's a good thing to know. |
| 11:06.16 | ieatlint | wtf? |
| 11:06.20 | TAsn | thank you, im off. |
| 11:06.21 | TAsn | ;] |
| 11:06.21 | mickeyl | ucs2 shouldn't be complex to add |
| 11:06.28 | ieatlint | why would someone come in here to spou racist bullshit? |
| 11:06.29 | mickeyl | now that pdu is there |
| 11:06.39 | mickeyl | ieatlint: idiots don't die |
| 11:06.41 | TAsn | mickeyl, yeah, i figured that. |
| 11:06.56 | mickeyl | and #openmoko is one of the biggest channels in freenode |
| 11:07.13 | ieatlint | heh... i suppose so |
| 11:07.31 | *** mode/#openmoko [-o mickeyl] by ChanServ |
| 11:08.31 | Raigedas | is there anywhere a howto for setting/correcting source list for opkg? because i replaced "buildhost" with "downloads" but it did not help.. |
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| 11:11.13 | TAsn | Raigedas, because more have changed except for the prefix |
| 11:11.23 | TAsn | something has also changed in the whole path. |
| 11:11.45 | Raigedas | so what people do? |
| 11:11.49 | Raigedas | i mean users |
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| 11:16.11 | TAsn | change it correctly |
| 11:17.34 | TAsn | im currently using fso |
| 11:17.46 | TAsn | so i don't remember what the correct paths are for gtk 2007 |
| 11:17.54 | TAsn | though just go with your browser to |
| 11:18.02 | TAsn | downloads.openmoko.com |
| 11:18.10 | TAsn | and you will see repos dir |
| 11:18.24 | TAsn | and i think you can handle it from here on. |
| 11:18.26 | TAsn | gtg, cya. |
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| 11:26.04 | DrRabbit | I'm flashing my FreeRunner now |
| 11:26.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | dirty perv :o |
| 11:27.18 | DrRabbit | it's really kinky though! |
| 11:27.51 | DrRabbit | is giving a presentation on OM and the FreeRunner on Saturday |
| 11:27.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | pix or it hasnt happened ;P |
| 11:27.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | \o/ |
| 11:28.48 | DrRabbit | Now I'm no expert on the project |
| 11:28.49 | DrRabbit | but apparently I'm the most knowledgable in the state of Arizona |
| 11:28.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | that i cant comment on :) |
| 11:28.55 | DrRabbit | and I'm the only one who has a FreeRunner who is willing to give a talk. |
| 11:29.04 | DrRabbit | so... good for me? |
| 11:29.06 | DrRabbit | :P |
| 11:29.16 | DrRabbit | I'm just going to go over the basics |
| 11:29.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehehe |
| 11:29.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | get yourselfs a real GSM network :p |
| 11:29.52 | DrRabbit | "Here it is, you can do this with it, it's this buggy, and here's how you flash it. Oh, btw, you can run Debian and Gentoo on it too." |
| 11:29.53 | viq | "It's a phone. It sometimes work. Depending which distribution you install on it. Depending what it is you're trying to get to work." ;) |
| 11:30.06 | DrRabbit | basically |
| 11:30.17 | DrRabbit | and I'll write a little app to show off |
| 11:30.30 | DrRabbit | "Yeppers, it has Python" |
| 11:30.45 | *** join/#openmoko HauDyr (n=kim@wnn73219.wireless.dtu.dk) |
| 11:30.59 | DrRabbit | I'm really not sure how they coaxed me into it... |
| 11:31.15 | DrRabbit | the chairman of my LUG was like, "so you're gonna do an OM talk, right?" |
| 11:31.18 | DrRabbit | "Should I?" |
| 11:31.24 | DrRabbit | "You will do an OM talk." |
| 11:31.29 | DrRabbit | "I will do an OM talk." |
| 11:31.39 | DrRabbit | he must be a Jedi or something |
| 11:32.03 | DrRabbit | man, rootfs flash takes forever |
| 11:32.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehehe |
| 11:32.20 | *** join/#openmoko soman (n=somnath@61.16.248.242) |
| 11:32.35 | DrRabbit | http://ableconf.com |
| 11:32.41 | DrRabbit | that's where I'm giving the talk |
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| 11:33.37 | enriko | "this is the new OM, i am gonna show you how it works as soon as i find my puk code" |
| 11:34.07 | DrRabbit | It'll be weird |
| 11:34.18 | DrRabbit | I may or may not have my parents tape it |
| 11:34.24 | enriko | "at the pin code dialog, you have to change keyboard from letters to numbers" |
| 11:34.47 | DrRabbit | I probably will, but will encrypt the video file with the SHA1 hash of a very obscure song. |
| 11:35.03 | enriko | "all your contacts should be english speaking people with english names, otherwise will be impossible to store their names, due to t9" |
| 11:35.15 | DrRabbit | hehehe |
| 11:36.05 | DrRabbit | well obviously it's not something you give teenage-SMS-addicted-hip-cool-son/daughter/both for Christmas. |
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| 11:36.41 | DrRabbit | it's something that you get for that attic troll hacker son of yours who is trying to learn a thing or two about microcontrollers. |
| 11:38.01 | DrRabbit | rootfs flash crawls along with the breakneck speed of a turtle OD'ing on cough medicine. |
| 11:38.17 | DrRabbit | dragging a trailer |
| 11:38.22 | DrRabbit | by its teeth |
| 11:38.30 | DrRabbit | uphill |
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| 11:38.35 | DrRabbit | icy roads, too |
| 11:38.49 | sakkara | lol^^ |
| 11:39.04 | sakkara | good comparison xD |
| 11:39.22 | DrRabbit | it's almost to the peak of the hill though |
| 11:39.27 | DrRabbit | then that turtle's in for a ride. |
| 11:39.42 | enriko | you will see when you try to call someone |
| 11:39.42 | sakkara | hehe |
| 11:39.44 | DrRabbit | Did I just predict my own experiences with 2008.8? |
| 11:40.00 | enriko | sticks to qtopia for the moment |
| 11:40.00 | DrRabbit | enriko: good to know. |
| 11:40.12 | DrRabbit | last number sign... |
| 11:40.30 | DrRabbit | er, second to |
| 11:40.49 | DrRabbit | last one! |
| 11:40.56 | DrRabbit | okay cool |
| 11:41.00 | viq | DrRabbit: I didn't know trailers had teeth ;) |
| 11:41.25 | ieatlint | i suddenly have an urge to find a turtle and feed it lots of cough syrup |
| 11:41.38 | DrRabbit | viq: they do when you're a turtle tripping on dxm |
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| 11:42.29 | DrRabbit | i have $18 in my bank right now... |
| 11:42.39 | DrRabbit | guess i'll use $10 of that to buy minutes |
| 11:42.50 | DrRabbit | hah! booting |
| 11:42.51 | DrRabbit | I get it |
| 11:43.03 | DrRabbit | cuz it has boots |
| 11:43.07 | DrRabbit | hahahaha!!! |
| 11:43.16 | sakkara | yeah, and it takes very long... |
| 11:43.59 | CM_work | Yeah, first boot takes even longer than the later ones |
| 11:43.59 | DrRabbit | turtle is walking on even ground |
| 11:43.59 | sakkara | but not as long as flashing, i think the roid isnt icy this time xD |
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| 11:44.16 | DrRabbit | turtle gets distracted at the 59% mark in the road |
| 11:44.24 | DrRabbit | it's probably something shiny |
| 11:44.32 | DrRabbit | he is tripping on dxm,you know |
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| 11:44.46 | DrRabbit | he moves along |
| 11:44.54 | DrRabbit | stopping to smell the roses |
| 11:44.57 | DrRabbit | but moving |
| 11:44.59 | sakkara | xD |
| 11:45.06 | DrRabbit | and down we go |
| 11:45.12 | sakkara | not eating the roses? |
| 11:45.13 | DrRabbit | through a tunnel |
| 11:45.20 | DrRabbit | back to the boots? |
| 11:45.26 | DrRabbit | turtle swinging side to side |
| 11:45.30 | sakkara | hehe |
| 11:45.34 | DrRabbit | dxm is really taking its toll |
| 11:45.43 | sakkara | :D |
| 11:45.53 | DrRabbit | at the main menu |
| 11:46.04 | DrRabbit | why does the contacts icon look like a penis? |
| 11:46.11 | DrRabbit | or a middle finger |
| 11:46.17 | sakkara | hm |
| 11:46.26 | sakkara | i think it should be a humanoid |
| 11:46.34 | sakkara | but the icons are all very strange |
| 11:47.29 | sakkara | the strangest is, you don'T have a terminal pre-installed.... |
| 11:48.12 | DrRabbit | what the hell are those plus signs and asterisk thingies at the bottom? |
| 11:48.19 | sakkara | nothing... |
| 11:48.40 | DrRabbit | Build host... barbie? |
| 11:48.40 | sakkara | just to irritate the turtle XD |
| 11:49.02 | sakkara | barbie is turtles girlfriend |
| 11:49.41 | DrRabbit | how do I make applications quit? |
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| 11:50.09 | sakkara | klick the arrow on top |
| 11:50.14 | sakkara | and then remove |
| 11:50.26 | sakkara | the current application then quits |
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| 11:54.23 | ptitjes | hi |
| 11:54.54 | ptitjes | please what package builds the kernel via MokoMakefile |
| 11:54.55 | ptitjes | ?? |
| 11:55.21 | DrRabbit | sakkara: kthx |
| 11:55.30 | DrRabbit | now trying to join gmy wireless network |
| 11:55.52 | sakkara | do you have wpa? |
| 11:56.00 | DrRabbit | nope |
| 11:56.02 | DrRabbit | unsecured |
| 11:56.05 | sakkara | good |
| 11:56.15 | sakkara | then you might have a chance |
| 11:56.38 | DrRabbit | Turtle doesn't want to talk to his friends Mr. Linksys |
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| 11:57.14 | DrRabbit | Maybe Turtle needs a powernap |
| 11:57.49 | DrRabbit | Meanwhile, i will go on T-Mobile's webshyte and give myself $10 |
| 11:58.16 | sakkara | you shold install mofi |
| 11:58.24 | sakkara | to get wireless to work |
| 11:58.48 | sakkara | so you have usb-networking |
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| 12:00.33 | DrRabbit | Busy |
| 12:00.40 | DrRabbit | playing sudoku on the turtle's shell |
| 12:01.29 | DrRabbit | okay what? |
| 12:02.30 | DrRabbit | damnit, forgot my phone number again |
| 12:04.17 | viq | Call yourself ;P |
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| 12:04.37 | torpor | hiya guys |
| 12:04.47 | torpor | i have installed the latest version of FDOM on my freerunner this morning |
| 12:04.59 | torpor | and i am wondering if there are any good repo's that i should add to start loading it up with apps? |
| 12:05.04 | torpor | anyone got any suggestions/recommendations |
| 12:05.04 | DrRabbit | viq: out of minutes. I'll have t-mobile txt it to me |
| 12:05.58 | DrRabbit | doh |
| 12:06.01 | DrRabbit | that's a 6! |
| 12:06.14 | DrRabbit | well, now to test receiving text messages. |
| 12:06.37 | *** part/#openmoko Daramara` (n=user@138.80-203-148.nextgentel.com) |
| 12:06.42 | DrRabbit | waiting... |
| 12:06.56 | torpor | anyone? |
| 12:07.14 | DrRabbit | torpor: I wouldn't know |
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| 12:08.02 | DrRabbit | calling support |
| 12:08.22 | CM_work | torpor: downloads.freesmartphone.org ? |
| 12:08.41 | DrRabbit | hey, Speakerphone is... audible |
| 12:08.41 | torpor | can i just plug it into FDOM? |
| 12:09.16 | CM_work | Hmm.. Not sure |
| 12:09.24 | CM_work | It's FSO-feeds.. |
| 12:09.42 | DrRabbit | I made a call |
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| 12:13.53 | DrRabbit | I now have 30 minutes |
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| 12:16.35 | sledgeas | hello folks! |
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| 12:18.09 | sledgeas | how do I uninstall the default keyboard of Om2008.8? I have installed matchbox-keyboard, but cannot kill anything visible i.e. comand ps ax | grep -E "multitap|qtopia|illume|keyboard" yields nothing keyboardable :/ |
| 12:18.37 | DrRabbit | the SMS app is pretty weird |
| 12:18.45 | DrRabbit | Turtle speaks in strange tongues |
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| 12:19.46 | TAsn | sledgeas, look for |
| 12:19.49 | TAsn | keyboard debate |
| 12:19.52 | sakkara | sledgeas: in /etc/X11/Xsession/89qtopia |
| 12:19.53 | TAsn | in the wiki |
| 12:20.04 | sakkara | add QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 |
| 12:20.20 | sledgeas | thanks, sakkara :) |
| 12:20.21 | TAsn | exactly. |
| 12:20.28 | TAsn | (also exactly as written in the wiki) |
| 12:20.29 | TAsn | ;] |
| 12:20.36 | sakkara | and then restart X |
| 12:21.32 | sledgeas | TAsn: this is where I have looked, but i went immediately into http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards at the "How to install the matchbox keyboard ? " section and did not come back to read on :) |
| 12:21.50 | TAsn | sledgeas, that's just fine |
| 12:22.08 | sledgeas | :) should the sections be swapped :)) |
| 12:22.09 | TAsn | i often shout at myself "RTFM" since i also sin. |
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| 12:22.18 | sakkara | xD |
| 12:22.20 | sledgeas | :D |
| 12:22.47 | TAsn | ;] |
| 12:22.54 | sakkara | the illume keyboard is very nice, like it much |
| 12:23.05 | sakkara | the qtopia one is horrible... |
| 12:24.00 | TAsn | illume rocks. |
| 12:24.07 | TAsn | one thing should be changed though. |
| 12:24.11 | TAsn | actually 2 |
| 12:24.20 | TAsn | one, you should be able to change it's size. |
| 12:24.28 | TAsn | i find it too big and i want to make it smaller. |
| 12:24.28 | Rakshasa | I'm actually able to type sms with a finger after teaching a few words to illume kbd. Couldn't get much better =P |
| 12:24.43 | enriko | illume url? |
| 12:24.49 | TAsn | Rakshasa, teaching it? |
| 12:25.12 | Rakshasa | Yeah. It learns the words that aren't in the dictionary. |
| 12:25.32 | TAsn | second thing that should be changed, is that in the predictive mode, the middle prediction should be what i type, and in the sides, what it thought i typed! |
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| 12:25.40 | TAsn | Rakshasa, what? how? |
| 12:25.47 | TAsn | oh |
| 12:25.49 | tg | hm |
| 12:25.56 | TAsn | when you type a word that isn't there and choose it? |
| 12:25.58 | tg | anyone tried to update asu testing recently? |
| 12:26.54 | Rakshasa | TAsn: Yes, And it saves them in /root/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic |
| 12:27.04 | TAsn | cool. |
| 12:27.07 | DrRabbit | :( |
| 12:27.11 | DrRabbit | okay, so yeah |
| 12:27.13 | DrRabbit | fsck! |
| 12:27.21 | DrRabbit | the Messages app is impossible to use. |
| 12:27.27 | TAsn | hehe yeah. |
| 12:27.33 | TAsn | fso, right? |
| 12:27.38 | TAsn | though it's just a demo... |
| 12:28.28 | DrRabbit | the 2008.8 thing |
| 12:28.52 | DrRabbit | how can I enter a phone number using only a-z? |
| 12:29.16 | sakkara | you cant |
| 12:29.26 | sakkara | you have to switch to the numbers |
| 12:29.43 | sakkara | just "scroll" at the sid of the keyboard |
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| 12:30.27 | DrRabbit | doh :P |
| 12:30.30 | sakkara | and you should install the illume keyboard, its much better |
| 12:30.51 | sledgeas | looks like it doesn't work to copy(select) text in minimo and paste it into the terminal.. |
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| 12:32.17 | RedFlash | is it somehow possible to change midoris foont size |
| 12:32.19 | RedFlash | ? |
| 12:33.30 | TAsn | sledgeas, really? haven't tried though i think it does work. |
| 12:33.40 | sledgeas | i thought so too :) |
| 12:33.48 | sledgeas | now i have problems in turning off that qtopia keyboard lol |
| 12:33.55 | sledgeas | got no usb around at work &) |
| 12:34.10 | TAsn | sledgeas, how is that even possible? |
| 12:34.17 | Raigedas | dfu uploads data from my FR at about 0.9 MB per minute speed. is this normal? |
| 12:34.27 | sledgeas | TAsn: which part? :) |
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| 12:34.40 | TAsn | sledgeas, that you aint got a usb lying around!@ |
| 12:34.52 | sledgeas | :D i got actually |
| 12:34.59 | sledgeas | it's that i got no root account on my work pc |
| 12:35.05 | TAsn | Raigedas, my phone to computer transfer rate is 300kbps tops. |
| 12:35.17 | TAsn | sledgeas, i c. so you can't up the interface? |
| 12:35.23 | TAsn | nor you can load usbnet modules? |
| 12:35.25 | sledgeas | no go |
| 12:35.36 | TAsn | i c . ;] |
| 12:35.38 | sledgeas | not even flashing, dfu gets no access to interface |
| 12:35.41 | sledgeas | %) |
| 12:35.49 | TAsn | what about wifi? |
| 12:35.52 | TAsn | got that at work? |
| 12:35.57 | sledgeas | im using it |
| 12:35.59 | sledgeas | i can browse |
| 12:36.08 | sledgeas | that's why im trying to copy paste from minimo |
| 12:36.10 | TAsn | sledgeas, then ssh. |
| 12:36.15 | sledgeas | nope |
| 12:36.16 | TAsn | through wifi |
| 12:36.19 | sledgeas | different subnets |
| 12:36.19 | TAsn | ? |
| 12:36.20 | sledgeas | :D |
| 12:36.25 | sledgeas | no rounting |
| 12:36.31 | sledgeas | *routing |
| 12:36.36 | TAsn | sledgeas, one last thing you can do |
| 12:36.42 | TAsn | egg your it guy |
| 12:36.43 | TAsn | ;[ |
| 12:36.51 | sledgeas | :D |
| 12:37.07 | sledgeas | or just get home and having hoped copy paste in FR was unified.. |
| 12:37.19 | TAsn | i think it is |
| 12:37.20 | sledgeas | being deluse |
| 12:37.22 | sledgeas | d |
| 12:37.28 | TAsn | sec i will check it there. |
| 12:37.31 | TAsn | can't be. |
| 12:37.31 | sledgeas | well, it appears you are wrong |
| 12:37.37 | DrRabbit | I can't send or receive text |
| 12:37.49 | sledgeas | i know, but it doesnt work between minimo<->terminal |
| 12:38.08 | TAsn | sec, im checking |
| 12:38.14 | TAsn | you better be right |
| 12:38.28 | sledgeas | :D |
| 12:38.29 | TAsn | if not, you are wasting my precious doung nothing time! |
| 12:38.49 | sledgeas | i tried lol if it works for you means that my om2008 is borked all over |
| 12:38.50 | sledgeas | :) |
| 12:39.30 | sledgeas | hey, it works, if i copy paste from the address bar!!! |
| 12:39.33 | sledgeas | dang :D |
| 12:39.44 | sledgeas | but not from gecko output (ie webpage content) |
| 12:39.58 | TAsn | ;] |
| 12:39.58 | sledgeas | ah, no, sorry, it doesnt it was another cclipboards |
| 12:40.31 | sledgeas | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.33 | TAsn | yeah |
| 12:40.35 | TAsn | same here. |
| 12:40.45 | sledgeas | it might be true, because i have hard time copy pasting skype<->gtk apps |
| 12:40.46 | sledgeas | e.g. |
| 12:40.46 | TAsn | not mark past |
| 12:40.50 | TAsn | and not even ctrl c. |
| 12:40.54 | sledgeas | wow |
| 12:41.01 | TAsn | isn't minimo gtk? |
| 12:41.09 | sledgeas | is terminal gtk? :) |
| 12:41.17 | sledgeas | it still is qtopia port |
| 12:41.23 | sledgeas | something not ported enough |
| 12:41.27 | TAsn | oh |
| 12:41.33 | TAsn | i was talking about openmoko-terminal |
| 12:41.38 | sledgeas | me too |
| 12:41.57 | TAsn | i think it is gtj |
| 12:41.59 | sledgeas | but still probably something is underdeveloped |
| 12:41.59 | TAsn | gtk |
| 12:42.06 | TAsn | im not sure |
| 12:42.10 | TAsn | it's X after all... |
| 12:42.39 | sledgeas | yea, but on my laptop i sometimes have hard times mark pasting around between qt-gtk-got-knows-what apps here and there.. |
| 12:42.48 | sledgeas | so, no surprises in FR's case |
| 12:43.08 | TAsn | i use only gtk apps on my pc |
| 12:43.17 | TAsn | so i don't know nothing about those problems ;] |
| 12:44.24 | sledgeas | :) i try not to know, but skype comes into way :D |
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| 12:47.03 | DrRabbit | what the hell? |
| 12:47.22 | DrRabbit | I send a text message to my other phone |
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| 12:47.36 | TAsn | DrRabbit, that is kinda weird |
| 12:47.36 | DrRabbit | my other phone doesn't receive it until i turn the FreeRunner off |
| 12:47.41 | TAsn | why do you text yourself? |
| 12:47.41 | TAsn | ;] |
| 12:47.56 | DrRabbit | TAsn: I'm very lonely :P |
| 12:48.00 | TAsn | DrRabbit, that is weird. |
| 12:48.13 | TAsn | DrRabbit, j/k i smsed myself a lot yesterday's night. |
| 12:48.21 | DrRabbit | maybe it's a first boot thing |
| 12:48.35 | TAsn | till mickeyl enlightened me today saying ucs2 isn't supported yet ;] |
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| 12:52.17 | Raigedas | is there a faster way to put new distribution on SD card, instead of waiting for dfu for ages? |
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| 12:53.30 | yabo | Hello, i just finished charging my neo freerunner and now i need some help |
| 12:53.41 | yabo | i was thinking id install the qtopia-distro |
| 12:53.41 | ieatlint | in theory you could increase the speed... but it probably wouldn't be worth it |
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| 12:53.54 | ieatlint | the wiki has instructions |
| 12:54.02 | ieatlint | look for info about dual-booting |
| 12:54.04 | yabo | but the wikipages are so hard to follow for me |
| 12:54.29 | ieatlint | sorry, that wasn't for you yabo |
| 12:54.52 | yabo | anyway, could someone perhaps help me through it? |
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| 12:55.42 | max_posedon | Raigedas, You can connect SD card to your computer, and just use as a usb-card. Flushing will become more fast. |
| 12:55.48 | ieatlint | yabo, the quick start page, as referenced in the topic, should be a good start |
| 12:56.32 | yabo | alright, thank you; ieatlint |
| 12:57.43 | Raigedas | max_posedon, i thought about that.. but what about bootloader? will uboot now where and what to load if i just extract files to SD? |
| 12:58.23 | Raigedas | *will uboot know |
| 12:58.28 | max_posedon | first of all, you can boot from microsd |
| 12:58.58 | ieatlint | sigh... you could try searching the wiki for two seconds... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card |
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| 13:00.49 | DrRabbit | okay, now texting works fine |
| 13:00.57 | DrRabbit | so does calling |
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| 13:01.37 | max_posedon | Raigedas, also you can flash nand from uboot, loading images from microsd |
| 13:01.53 | DrRabbit | Wifi got worse |
| 13:02.01 | DrRabbit | it doesn't even list networks anymore |
| 13:02.01 | max_posedon | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader/ru#.D0.97.D0.B0.D0.BF.D0.B8.D1.81.D1.8C_.D1.8F.D0.B4.D1.80.D0.B0_.D0.B2_NAND |
| 13:02.15 | max_posedon | for some reason it described, only on russian wiki. |
| 13:02.16 | sakkara | DrRabbit: did you install mofi? |
| 13:02.23 | DrRabbit | no |
| 13:02.32 | sakkara | do so^^ |
| 13:02.33 | DrRabbit | probly should, eh? |
| 13:03.06 | sakkara | yeah, the installed wifi tool never worked for me, mofi does quite well |
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| 13:04.36 | DrRabbit | it definitely feels like a more finished product |
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| 13:09.14 | sakkara | anyone got pidgin installed in om2008.08? |
| 13:09.38 | sakkara | with opkg install pidgin i only get "An error ocurred, return value: 2." |
| 13:09.42 | max_posedon | i have, installed with fdom image. |
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| 13:11.19 | Tig| | sakkara: error number 2 usually means it can't find the package |
| 13:11.40 | Tig| | I have installed it before under 2008 and FSO |
| 13:12.19 | sakkara | but why can't it find the package =( |
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| 13:12.51 | sakkara | i can install other apps, so my connection is not the problem |
| 13:13.08 | sakkara | or did they removed the package? |
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| 13:13.46 | DrRabbit | time to install mofi |
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| 13:18.09 | DrRabbit | sakkara: where do I find mofi? |
| 13:23.01 | Tig| | DrRabbit: if it is not in the repository then it is here: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mofi/ |
| 13:23.47 | ronny | hmm |
| 13:24.09 | ronny | every time i take a look at a gforge instance that toy looks more pathetic |
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| 13:25.06 | DrRabbit | Tig|: oic |
| 13:25.37 | sakkara | DrRabbit: did you already managed usb-networking? |
| 13:26.21 | DrRabbit | yeppers |
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| 13:27.29 | DrRabbit | just wget'd http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/304/mofi_0.02_armv4t.ipk on the handset |
| 13:27.36 | DrRabbit | wgot? |
| 13:28.53 | ieatlint | wget isn't a verb :P |
| 13:29.13 | ieatlint | you just got/downloaded that url with wget |
| 13:29.50 | viq | wgotten? ;) |
| 13:30.07 | DrRabbit | you eat lint! |
| 13:30.42 | ieatlint | that would required him to have said "i have just wgotten" ... the "perfect present" |
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| 13:31.28 | DrRabbit | uuuuhhhhh |
| 13:31.29 | DrRabbit | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install -o mofi_0.02_armv4t.ipk |
| 13:31.29 | DrRabbit | Collected errors: * Could not obtain administrative lock |
| 13:31.29 | DrRabbit | root@om-gta02:~# |
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| 13:31.51 | ieatlint | i like collecting errors myself |
| 13:32.07 | DrRabbit | what the hell... |
| 13:32.13 | DrRabbit | oh, nevermind :P |
| 13:32.21 | DrRabbit | i mean, that error |
| 13:32.40 | DrRabbit | how do I obtain the administrative lock? |
| 13:32.41 | Tig| | it means that there is another packagemanagement app running |
| 13:32.50 | Tig| | close the installer |
| 13:32.54 | DrRabbit | I did |
| 13:32.55 | viq | DrRabbit: pkill packagekitd |
| 13:32.58 | Tig| | you may need to kill a process |
| 13:33.07 | Tig| | that is the one :) |
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| 13:33.36 | DrRabbit | viq's command didn't work, but I'll ps aux around, see what happens |
| 13:34.54 | DrRabbit | uuuuhhhh... |
| 13:35.01 | DrRabbit | hm |
| 13:35.17 | DrRabbit | no package management app is running |
| 13:35.37 | Tig| | can you pastebin a ps aux listing? |
| 13:36.37 | DrRabbit | sure |
| 13:37.18 | DrRabbit | http://pastebin.ca/1205846 |
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| 13:37.36 | toggles_w | Does anyone know if the default fso m3 keyboard is rasters? |
| 13:37.51 | TAsn | what do you say about choosing an fs which is good and won't kill my flash card? |
| 13:37.53 | TAsn | what fs to use? |
| 13:37.55 | toggles_w | after using it for a wek, i finally found out how to backspace ;-) |
| 13:38.41 | DrRabbit | toggles_w: how? |
| 13:39.00 | sakkara | TAsn: ext3? |
| 13:39.02 | TAsn | toggles_w, i think it is. |
| 13:39.08 | DrRabbit | Tig|: did you get that? |
| 13:39.10 | TAsn | sakkara, won't that kill my mem card? |
| 13:39.11 | Tig| | drag right to left across the keyboard |
| 13:39.19 | DrRabbit | oic |
| 13:39.22 | Tig| | DrRabbit: yep |
| 13:39.25 | sakkara | TAsn: why should it? |
| 13:39.56 | dolf1074 | toggles_w: read the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Keyboard (it will give you less headaches) |
| 13:40.07 | TAsn | i dunno there are flash oriented fs that distribute the writes to all sections and making sure no section is being written to too much |
| 13:40.23 | rwhitby | your SD card does that anyway |
| 13:40.35 | Tig| | DrRabbit: hmmm and it still moaning about an admin lock? |
| 13:40.38 | sakkara | my sd is ext3, working well... |
| 13:40.40 | DrRabbit | yeppers |
| 13:40.43 | rwhitby | flash file systems are for internal flash |
| 13:40.44 | toggles_w | TAsn: thanks |
| 13:40.59 | Tig| | unrelated pid 1374 looks interesting :) |
| 13:41.04 | toggles_w | dolf1074: yeah, thats where i found out how to backspace, you know real men don't read the instructions ;-) |
| 13:41.18 | Tig| | perhaps there is a pid file hanging about somewhere |
| 13:41.46 | dolf1074 | yeah, but if you're using things that aren't finished/consumer ready, it's better to read the manual |
| 13:41.48 | rwhitby | look in /usr/lib/opkg for a lock files |
| 13:41.54 | DrRabbit | Tig|: yeah... |
| 13:41.57 | DrRabbit | hmm... |
| 13:42.06 | DrRabbit | rwhitby: k |
| 13:42.10 | dolf1074 | that's why linux guru's always say rtfm (read the fucking manual) |
| 13:42.45 | sevenhundred | it's "read the friendly manual" |
| 13:42.49 | sevenhundred | :P |
| 13:42.50 | DrRabbit | there is a file in /usr/lib/opkg called "lock" |
| 13:42.53 | DrRabbit | it contains nothing |
| 13:42.56 | sakkara | sevenhundred: hehe |
| 13:42.56 | DrRabbit | should I just rm it? |
| 13:43.01 | rwhitby | yep |
| 13:43.22 | rwhitby | it's sometimes 'read the fine manual' |
| 13:43.23 | dolf1074 | sevenhundred: that's what they want you believe. (but in there head they saying f*** :p) |
| 13:43.25 | DrRabbit | removed file, didn't work. |
| 13:44.32 | DrRabbit | still complaining about the lock |
| 13:45.11 | sevenhundred | dolf1074: nah, it's the other way around. They want you to believe it's "fucking", but on the inside most linux hackers just want to be friends =) |
| 13:45.38 | dolf1074 | nice philosophy |
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| 13:47.38 | DrRabbit | I'm going to try to install some software via the installer thing |
| 13:47.48 | DrRabbit | and see if that will do some sort of magic to clear things out |
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| 13:48.14 | sakkara | install the terminal =) |
| 13:48.17 | DrRabbit | didn't work |
| 13:48.24 | DrRabbit | I installed minsweeper |
| 13:48.32 | DrRabbit | Oh, sorry |
| 13:48.33 | sakkara | hm |
| 13:48.34 | DrRabbit | Mine Hunt |
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| 13:49.55 | DrRabbit | huh |
| 13:50.01 | DrRabbit | Well I'm going to take a shower. |
| 13:50.16 | DrRabbit | I'm also going to try rebooting my phone |
| 13:50.38 | TAsn | how do i convert mp3's/ogg to sid files? |
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| 13:55.12 | DrRabbit | rebooting did NOT work |
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| 13:56.18 | sakkara | what didn't work? rebooting or the opkg prob? |
| 13:58.17 | jaj | Hi, does anybody have ReMoko working on debian? It errors out with a BlueZ dbus error. The wiki page says that some BlueZ versions on debian need a patch and that I should refer to readme.debian but I can't find it in the remoko package |
| 14:00.19 | Arigead | Hello All, Don't think my SD card is recognised by the FR. Is there anything I can do? |
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| 14:05.58 | retracile | Arigead: What uSD card do you have? |
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| 14:07.38 | Arigead | retracile: the one that came with the FR it's a 512MB Sandisk from memory. It's in now |
| 14:08.03 | Arigead | Ie it's in my FR so I can't see it sure it's a san disk though |
| 14:08.21 | retracile | Arigead: Ok; the one that came with it should certainly work. |
| 14:08.51 | retracile | Arigead: does it show up in /proc/partitions? |
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| 14:10.40 | Arigead | retracile: maybe I should say I'm running FDOM. Don't know if that's relevant but I have no /proc/partitions |
| 14:10.58 | retracile | Arigead: FDOM? |
| 14:11.24 | retracile | oh... it's yet another distro... |
| 14:11.36 | TAsn | Arigead, it's 512 by transcend |
| 14:11.52 | max_posedon | Arigead, Crazy, I run FDOM too, and I have /proc/partiions |
| 14:11.55 | Arigead | retracile sorry I do have partitions made a mistake |
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| 14:12.55 | retracile | Arigead: do you see mmcblk-type entries there? |
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| 14:13.23 | Arigead | retracile: no only mtdblock entries |
| 14:14.08 | retracile | Arigead: was it inserted when you booted? |
| 14:14.46 | sakkara | lol ithought without battery you can't boot? |
| 14:14.58 | Arigead | Yes it was in there just checked it on a Laptop. It's a FAT and I could write to it on the Laptop. |
| 14:15.24 | max_posedon | sakkara, Yes, easy, with usb connected to laptop) |
| 14:16.17 | sakkara | rly? i read to never uncharge the bat max, because it can only charge if booted, and can't boot without |
| 14:16.18 | Arigead | retracile: maybe I'll shut it down and try again but I though SanDisk always worked. Maybe my card reader is not what it should be? |
| 14:16.27 | retracile | Arigead: Then I'm not sure what's going wrong. Make sure it's inserted correctly. |
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| 14:17.03 | retracile | sakkara: boot with the battery inserted; plugin via usb, remove battery -> it's running without the battery. |
| 14:17.28 | Arigead | retracile: I'll check thanks for your help. I'm nearly finished up here so I'll do it at home later ;-) |
| 14:17.40 | retracile | Arigead: good luck |
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| 14:18.05 | sakkara | ah, thats the way^^ |
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| 14:22.20 | Flinx | hi all |
| 14:25.42 | Gnutoo | hello,there is SIP(from command line) that works on the freerunner...but i need another phone to talk to...i've an aladino ethernet sip phone but it seems that it only works with the alice internet provider |
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| 14:26.37 | Gnutoo | so is there another phone that runs GNU/linux that is cheap and that is capable of openvpn/openssh and that can do voip...or should i try to unblock the aladino phone... |
| 14:27.01 | Gnutoo | as phone i mean not like the freerunner but like skype phones that are wifi or ethernet... |
| 14:27.26 | DrRabbit | o hai |
| 14:27.28 | DrRabbit | back from shower |
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| 14:29.26 | DrRabbit | still saying things about Adminstrative lock |
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| 14:31.34 | Gnutoo | or where should i ask...there is no embedded channel... |
| 14:31.55 | Flinx | I'm running 2008.8 on my FR and whenever I dial a number that says "Press # for blah blah" it doesn't work.. |
| 14:32.13 | dolf1074 | yeah, known issue |
| 14:32.16 | ShellEvil | Real hackers can whistle DTMF. |
| 14:32.20 | Flinx | like I open the keypad and hit the key but the number doesn't seem to recognize it >.> |
| 14:32.20 | gromez | DrRabbit: pkill packagekitd |
| 14:32.40 | DrRabbit | hey, wait a minute |
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| 14:32.51 | DrRabbit | this problem is being biased |
| 14:32.56 | DrRabbit | I did that, gromez |
| 14:33.16 | DrRabbit | and I just found out that I can run most opkg commands |
| 14:33.22 | DrRabbit | but I can't install this local package |
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| 14:33.41 | DrRabbit | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install -o mofi_0.02_armv4t.ipk |
| 14:33.42 | DrRabbit | Collected errors: * Could not obtain administrative lock |
| 14:33.42 | DrRabbit | root@om-gta02:~# |
| 14:33.49 | DrRabbit | I can do opkg update just fine though |
| 14:33.57 | gromez | ps aux | grep packagekitd |
| 14:33.58 | dolf1074 | DrRabbit: pkill packagekit |
| 14:34.21 | gromez | DrRabbit: or you have another opkg running |
| 14:34.38 | DrRabbit | did you see what I said though? |
| 14:35.14 | DrRabbit | gromez: the grep thing only returns itself |
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| 14:38.15 | DrRabbit | see, look: |
| 14:38.21 | DrRabbit | root@om-gta02:~# killall packagekitd |
| 14:38.22 | DrRabbit | killall: packagekitd: no process killed |
| 14:38.22 | DrRabbit | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install -o mofi_0.02_armv4t.ipk |
| 14:38.22 | DrRabbit | Collected errors: * Could not obtain administrative lock |
| 14:38.22 | DrRabbit | root@om-gta02:~# |
| 14:38.26 | slaxxin | flinx is it fso? |
| 14:38.43 | dolf1074 | DrRabbit: pkill packagekit |
| 14:38.56 | gromez | DrRabbit: could you pastebin your ps aux ? |
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| 14:39.07 | DrRabbit | dolf1074: same result |
| 14:39.12 | DrRabbit | gromez: okay |
| 14:39.29 | Flinx | slaxxin: I'm using the 2008.8 |
| 14:39.44 | Flinx | slaxxin: so... if I recall it has FSO stuff in it right? |
| 14:39.57 | Tig| | no |
| 14:40.01 | DrRabbit | gromez: http://pastebin.ca/1205874 |
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| 14:40.19 | Tig| | Flinx: the only image to have FSO stuff in at the moment is FSO |
| 14:40.32 | Tig| | I am excluding SHR here as it has not been released :) |
| 14:40.48 | ShellEvil | Of course it has! It has it in the name! |
| 14:40.49 | ShellEvil | :) |
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| 14:41.21 | Flinx | Tig|: ahh I wasn't sure ;) |
| 14:41.37 | slaxxin | are u upgraded or a certain image? |
| 14:41.38 | Flinx | I know that FSO is supposed to be part of other things in the future... >.> |
| 14:41.44 | TAsn | Tig|, i think debian also uses fso |
| 14:41.48 | Tig| | Flinx: long term the idea is to move over to using the Framework in the future |
| 14:41.52 | TAsn | Flinx, fso is just a framework |
| 14:42.00 | Flinx | Tig|: right I know that |
| 14:42.14 | Tig| | TAsn: ah yes it does, sorry not played with Debian on the FR yet |
| 14:42.19 | Flinx | Tig|: it's prolly SHL that I was thinking of. |
| 14:42.42 | slaxxin | ARE U FULLY upgraded or not? |
| 14:42.45 | Flinx | ... SHR |
| 14:42.48 | Tig| | SHR is supposed to be the apps from 2007.2 on the FSO backend |
| 14:43.07 | Flinx | slaxxin: explain fully upgraded? cause the last time I did patches was a month ago |
| 14:43.20 | Flinx | but a month ago everything was up to date ;) |
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| 14:44.01 | gromez | DrRabbit: hum strange, nothing seems to lock opkg |
| 14:44.06 | slaxxin | ok so u have an08172008 |
| 14:44.12 | DrRabbit | yep |
| 14:44.28 | DrRabbit | gromez: is there a way I can manually unlock it? |
| 14:44.58 | Flinx | slaxxin: lemme check |
| 14:45.04 | gromez | DrRabbit: no idea |
| 14:45.09 | gromez | try find / -name "*lock*" |
| 14:45.22 | Flinx | but its prolly close |
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| 14:46.26 | slaxxin | are u saying u cant imput Numbers after hooking up a call? |
| 14:46.43 | TAsn | Tig|, does that include the whole image or does shr use illume? |
| 14:47.05 | TAsn | because illumeis a lot better than gtk crap. |
| 14:47.37 | Tig| | TAsn: the FSO image uses Illume, no idea what SHR is going to use |
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| 14:48.18 | Flinx | I like Illume |
| 14:49.14 | DrRabbit | gromez: a few hits in /usr/lib/opkg |
| 14:49.30 | DrRabbit | namely |
| 14:49.31 | DrRabbit | /usr/lib/opkg/lock |
| 14:49.48 | TAsn | Flinx, same here. |
| 14:49.51 | slaxxin | cat /etc/version or cat /etc/om-version |
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| 14:50.15 | DrRabbit | slaxxin: me? |
| 14:50.19 | Flinx | yes slaxxin |
| 14:50.28 | slaxxin | no flinx |
| 14:50.52 | gromez | DrRabbit: mv /usr/lib/opkg/lock /usr/lib/opkg/lock.old |
| 14:51.04 | gromez | or rm /usr/lib/opkg/lock |
| 14:51.12 | slaxxin | flinx i think since it s a developers phone u need to use it as such AN UPGRADE |
| 14:51.51 | DrRabbit | gromez: |
| 14:51.52 | Flinx | slaxxin: actually I was telling you that I cannot input numbers after I dial |
| 14:51.53 | DrRabbit | root@om-gta02:~# rm /usr/lib/opkg/lock |
| 14:51.53 | DrRabbit | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install -o mofi_0.02_armv4t.ipk |
| 14:51.53 | DrRabbit | Collected errors: * Could not obtain administrative lock |
| 14:51.56 | slaxxin | yea an if it borks report it here then flase it |
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| 14:52.16 | Flinx | slaxxin: and I know its a dev phone which is why I don't use it for everyday things :p |
| 14:52.43 | slaxxin | do u have a big green Vheck mark on your keypad? |
| 14:52.45 | slaxxin | or |
| 14:52.49 | slaxxin | not? |
| 14:53.16 | Flinx | one sec |
| 14:53.23 | slaxxin | because i failed to use the check mark at first |
| 14:53.28 | Tig| | DrRabbit: what is the -o for ? |
| 14:53.35 | Flinx | *waits for the phone to reboot* |
| 14:53.47 | gromez | DrRabbit: i didn't have my FR, what means the -o option ? |
| 14:53.47 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.20 | DrRabbit | sorry |
| 14:54.24 | DrRabbit | uh |
| 14:54.28 | DrRabbit | -o is offline |
| 14:54.33 | DrRabbit | I'm installing an offline package |
| 14:54.34 | slaxxin | but if its 2008.8 it shouldnt have a big green check mark--isnt that correct? |
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| 14:55.06 | gromez | DrRabbit: did you try without ? |
| 14:55.07 | Tig| | DrRabbit: I have never bothered with that |
| 14:55.34 | Tig| | DrRabbit: I wonder if it has a dependency that is only available online |
| 14:55.37 | Flinx | Slaxxin yes |
| 14:55.57 | Tig| | opkg is not very "helpful" with its error messages |
| 14:55.58 | slaxxin | what? |
| 14:56.00 | Flinx | double checking tho |
| 14:56.02 | DrRabbit | Tig|: it must... |
| 14:56.05 | DrRabbit | it's working now |
| 14:56.12 | Tig| | wahoo! |
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| 14:56.22 | DrRabbit | installing dependencies |
| 14:56.25 | Flinx | slaxxin: I do not see a big green check mark |
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| 14:56.27 | DrRabbit | glade, pickle, etc |
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| 14:56.56 | Tig| | DrRabbit: a classic opkg "helpful" error message then :) |
| 14:57.27 | DrRabbit | uh... greate... |
| 14:57.30 | DrRabbit | great |
| 14:57.34 | DrRabbit | now it's not working |
| 14:57.38 | DrRabbit | not starting up properly |
| 14:57.42 | Tig| | what isn't ? |
| 14:57.59 | DrRabbit | I get an E17-styled error message when I try to run the thing I just installed |
| 14:58.07 | Tig| | bugger |
| 14:58.22 | DrRabbit | "Wifi Mofi stopped running unexpectedly. There was no error message" |
| 14:58.34 | DrRabbit | <save this message button> |
| 14:58.37 | Tig| | ah I think you need to make a wpa_supplicant.conf first |
| 14:58.44 | gromez | DrRabbit: there's a bug (check the wiki page) |
| 14:59.16 | gromez | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mofi#If_Mofi_crahes |
| 14:59.58 | DrRabbit | nice... |
| 15:00.02 | DrRabbit | okay I'll try that |
| 15:01.22 | DrRabbit | yep, that makes all the difference. |
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| 15:04.43 | wastrel | hi |
| 15:05.04 | Flinx | hrm.. I brb |
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| 15:09.45 | DrRabbit | hmmm... |
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| 15:16.18 | Gnutoo | hello, is it normal that my freerunner shuts down itself? |
| 15:16.34 | TAsn | Gnutoo, does it sound normal? |
| 15:16.51 | Gnutoo | TAsn, could be a feature in qtopia? |
| 15:17.05 | TAsn | oh, you mean getting suspended? |
| 15:17.16 | TAsn | try clicking a short click on the power button. |
| 15:17.30 | TAsn | does it come back? |
| 15:17.35 | Gnutoo | no realy shut down...when i press power it does a full boot |
| 15:17.44 | TAsn | no idea. |
| 15:17.57 | TAsn | though it does *NOT* sound normal. |
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| 15:20.10 | Gnutoo | ok what should i do then...i was doing a logread -f > file when it shut down...i have the logs but nothing strange in it |
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| 15:20.25 | Gnutoo | it ends with Sep 19 17:13:29 om-gta02 auth.err sshd[1768]: error: setlogin failed: Function not implemented |
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| 15:22.11 | Gnutoo | i just shaked it and the it didn't shut down so mabe it's not the battery that is not well connected |
| 15:22.21 | Gnutoo | i'll remove the usb connector to see the battery level |
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| 15:23.14 | Gnutoo | battery is 2/4 |
| 15:23.48 | shanka | Hey all, where are my contacts stored on the phone? I'm on qtopia. |
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| 15:25.36 | yabo | hello, i am having some trouble with flashing the freerunner |
| 15:25.42 | viq | yabo: try ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite |
| 15:25.49 | viq | er, shanka |
| 15:25.52 | viq | sorry ;) |
| 15:25.56 | yabo | i dont quite understand the wiki |
| 15:26.21 | yabo | oh wai |
| 15:26.21 | yabo | t |
| 15:26.34 | Tig| | yabo: what operating system are you running? |
| 15:26.48 | yabo | mirc, and kubuntu on vmware atm |
| 15:26.55 | yabo | using kubuntu to connect to the freerunner |
| 15:27.09 | yabo | windows*** not mirc |
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| 15:27.24 | yabo | but i think i got it now |
| 15:27.33 | yabo | forgot about step 2 |
| 15:27.39 | Tig| | ok :) |
| 15:27.44 | yabo | # Connect your Neo to the GNU/Linux or Windows host via a USB cable. |
| 15:27.55 | yabo | that means ssh freerunner-ip |
| 15:27.57 | yabo | right? |
| 15:28.43 | yabo | with the cable connected |
| 15:28.43 | yabo | no |
| 15:28.43 | yabo | ssh to desktop-pc? |
| 15:28.43 | Tig| | just plug the neo into the pc with the cable supplied |
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| 15:28.43 | yabo | from freerunner? |
| 15:28.44 | Tig| | you don't need to ssh |
| 15:28.44 | yabo | oh |
| 15:28.44 | Tig| | just plug them in |
| 15:28.44 | yabo | just plug in? |
| 15:28.44 | yabo | oh ok |
| 15:28.44 | Tig| | yes |
| 15:28.44 | yabo | then |
| 15:28.44 | yabo | on my pc |
| 15:28.56 | yabo | i just ./dfu-util params |
| 15:28.59 | yabo | nothing else? |
| 15:29.00 | Tig| | then to put your freerunner in to flash mode you need to turn it off |
| 15:29.19 | yabo | yeah and hold the aux-button to get into NOR |
| 15:29.19 | Tig| | then hold down the button on the other side of the freerunner and then power it on |
| 15:29.25 | yabo | ya ok |
| 15:29.29 | Tig| | yep :) |
| 15:29.30 | yabo | but i dont need to ssh |
| 15:29.36 | Tig| | don't need to ssu |
| 15:29.37 | Tig| | ssh |
| 15:29.40 | yabo | i just ./dfu-util params |
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| 15:29.47 | Tig| | but you will need to do it as root |
| 15:29.53 | yabo | and dfu will automatically recognize the device? |
| 15:30.00 | bricode | realizes his python skills are lacking. |
| 15:30.06 | Tig| | so in kbuntu just put sudo before the ./dfu command |
| 15:30.23 | yabo | yeah i know that |
| 15:30.29 | yabo | but do i need to specify a location |
| 15:30.35 | yabo | for dfu to find the phone? |
| 15:30.38 | Tig| | nope |
| 15:30.41 | yabo | okidoki thanks |
| 15:30.42 | Tig| | not normalls |
| 15:30.44 | rooly | sometimes you might |
| 15:30.45 | Tig| | not normally |
| 15:30.48 | yabo | btw |
| 15:30.49 | yabo | -a altsetting : Specify the altsetting of the DFU interface by name or by number |
| 15:30.55 | yabo | what should i enter as altsetting? |
| 15:30.59 | yabo | oh |
| 15:30.59 | yabo | nvm |
| 15:31.03 | yabo | kernel etc |
| 15:31.06 | yabo | silly me :P |
| 15:31.07 | rooly | -a rootfs, -a kernel, -a u-boot |
| 15:31.10 | yabo | thanks for the help! |
| 15:31.15 | Tig| | no problem :) |
| 15:31.59 | rooly | 's gotta go |
| 15:32.06 | Tig| | toodle pip rooly |
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| 15:34.48 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r992d7cff845f 10/fsod/ (4 files in 3 dirs): refactor code for requesting DBus names |
| 15:34.48 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r10158f3274ee 10/fsod/ (6 files in 4 dirs): |
| 15:34.48 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Reintroduce Subsystem.Manager abstract class for use by the |
| 15:34.49 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Subsystems |
| 15:34.51 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) Add ListOb |
| 15:34.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r5a369181d445 10/fsod/src/fsod.vala: commit properly |
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| 15:38.18 | Raigedas | how many megabytes will be transfered after uploading default (stock) "rootfs" with dfu? |
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| 15:38.25 | Raigedas | 256mb? |
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| 15:39.00 | SpeedEvil | depends on the size of the image |
| 15:39.14 | yabo | halp |
| 15:39.17 | yabo | in the boot-menu |
| 15:39.21 | yabo | which do i choose to get to NOR? |
| 15:39.46 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, hold down AUX while powering on |
| 15:40.03 | SpeedEvil | however, I don't have hardware, so I don't really remember. |
| 15:40.03 | yabo | i can only see Boot, Boot from microSD (FAT+ext2), set console to serial/USB/serial |
| 15:40.10 | yabo | which should i pick? |
| 15:40.14 | SpeedEvil | I don't think you can |
| 15:40.37 | yabo | im trying to get to NOR so i can flash it |
| 15:40.49 | SpeedEvil | Power off. |
| 15:40.56 | SpeedEvil | Power on again with aux held down |
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| 15:42.09 | yabo | ah |
| 15:42.10 | yabo | thanks |
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| 15:42.42 | tedo | uups |
| 15:43.43 | yabo | "no USB capable device found" |
| 15:43.49 | lindi- | yabo: lsusb |
| 15:43.51 | yabo | dfu capable usb device found* |
| 15:44.55 | yabo | so |
| 15:45.04 | yabo | i stick the cable in |
| 15:45.14 | yabo | power on with the AUX-button held in |
| 15:45.17 | yabo | then what? |
| 15:45.36 | leinir-cabinboy | Are you trying to flash the NOR on a Freerunner? |
| 15:45.40 | yabo | yes |
| 15:45.44 | yabo | im trying to install qtopia |
| 15:45.49 | Tm_T | yabo: have you read instructions in wiki? |
| 15:45.52 | yabo | yeah |
| 15:45.52 | Wonka | that would be NAND |
| 15:45.58 | Wonka | not NOR |
| 15:46.00 | Tm_T | yabo: read again then |
| 15:46.15 | yabo | oooh |
| 15:46.17 | leinir-cabinboy | NOR is unflashable on the Freerunner without a debug board :) |
| 15:46.19 | yabo | ""# Stay in NOR uBoot menu, do not select or enter any item in menu. Now you will be able to flash, make backups of your FreeRunner or query the FreeRunner with dfu-util. "" |
| 15:46.25 | yabo | didnt see that |
| 15:46.25 | yabo | sorry |
| 15:46.39 | Tm_T | leinir-cabinboy: he is not flashing bootloader |
| 15:46.50 | leinir-cabinboy | (it's that whole unbrickable thing; you can brick it, but you need a debug board to do so ;) ) |
| 15:46.53 | leinir-cabinboy | Yeah :) |
| 15:47.05 | leinir-cabinboy | Sorry: Yarr! ;) |
| 15:47.17 | Raigedas | to be on the safe side i like to make backup of new device before making changes.. however, i am already waiting for about 4 hours for dfu to complete backup of rootfs.. and i am curious how much more will it take... |
| 15:47.36 | Tm_T | awww |
| 15:47.52 | yabo | so im on the boot menu |
| 15:48.04 | yabo | "Device still in Runtime Mode!" |
| 15:48.15 | yabo | *** BOOT MENU (NOR) *** |
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| 15:48.40 | yabo | what am i doing wrong? |
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| 15:49.06 | Raigedas | yabo, i guess you need dfu tool |
| 15:49.19 | Raigedas | but its my first time too.. |
| 15:49.28 | Raigedas | so i cannot help much:( |
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| 15:50.22 | yabo | sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin |
| 15:50.30 | yabo | is the command i run on my pc |
| 15:50.42 | yabo | with the usb-cable plugged in |
| 15:50.55 | yabo | and openmoko still on the *** BOOT MENU (NOR) *** |
| 15:50.58 | yabo | what is wrong? |
| 15:51.11 | lindi- | yabo: lsusb? |
| 15:51.29 | yabo | how do i use lsusb? |
| 15:51.37 | yabo | what do i do with the file? |
| 15:51.37 | Raigedas | just lsusb |
| 15:51.43 | aliases123 | ~man |
| 15:51.44 | apt | Tem and Tain are the man. |
| 15:51.48 | yabo | k |
| 15:51.58 | yabo | so before i enter sudo ./dfu etc i type lsusb? |
| 15:52.01 | lindi- | yabo: just run "lsusb" as root |
| 15:52.05 | yabo | alright |
| 15:52.08 | yabo | sudo lsusb then |
| 15:52.09 | yabo | thanks |
| 15:52.31 | aliases123 | oh i forgot sorry the openmoko doesn't have man unless your running debian. |
| 15:52.34 | Raigedas | yabo, "lsusb" lists your usb connections |
| 15:53.08 | yabo | yeah |
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| 15:53.25 | break-free | anyone having problems getting FSO milestone 3 to register their SIM? |
| 15:53.26 | Raigedas | does it shows your device? |
| 15:53.35 | yabo | i dont kno |
| 15:53.36 | yabo | w |
| 15:53.42 | yabo | which is mine |
| 15:53.44 | yabo | there are 4 |
| 15:53.53 | yabo | and i cant identify a phone from the names |
| 15:54.04 | viq | yabo: try -v |
| 15:54.15 | Raigedas | yabo, paste output to my private |
| 15:54.17 | lindi- | yabo: with "lsusb?" i meant "can you please run the lsusb command and tell us the output using rafb.net/paste" |
| 15:54.22 | fletch | try to find like this : Bus 004 Device 020: ID 1457:5122 First International Computer, Inc. OpenMoko Neo1973 kernel cdc_ether USB network |
| 15:54.34 | yabo | oh o |
| 15:54.35 | yabo | k |
| 15:54.46 | Tig| | yabo: do you need to do something to vmware so it can pass the output raw to the USB port? |
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| 15:54.56 | yabo | dont think so |
| 15:54.58 | yabo | i didnt |
| 15:54.58 | lindi- | vmware? |
| 15:55.02 | yabo | lsusb: |
| 15:55.12 | yabo | BUs 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 15:55.28 | yabo | Bus 001 Device 009: ID 1d50:5119 |
| 15:55.34 | break-free | is there a way to import contacts in FSO? |
| 15:55.42 | yabo | Buss 001 Device 003: ID 0e0f:0002 |
| 15:56.18 | yabo | bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 15:56.37 | lindi- | yabo: you should just copy&paste the output to http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 15:57.36 | yabo | http://paste.rootmybox.org/index.php?show=562 |
| 15:58.19 | fletch | u use vmware? |
| 15:58.25 | break-free | anyone? import contacts? |
| 15:58.27 | fletch | or a live cd? |
| 15:58.43 | yabo | vmware |
| 15:58.56 | yabo | i could ssh to the phone earlier though |
| 15:59.03 | yabo | so i think vmware recognizes the usb-connection |
| 15:59.16 | fletch | ok |
| 15:59.32 | viq | break-free: look for 'vcf' in the wiki |
| 15:59.44 | Raigedas | yabo, what about "./dfu-util --list" |
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| 16:00.11 | yabo | blank line, Raigedas |
| 16:00.19 | yabo | got the license-stuff |
| 16:00.21 | yabo | and a blank line |
| 16:01.00 | Raigedas | sory but.. is your FR still on? |
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| 16:01.33 | Raigedas | maybe it turned off itself |
| 16:01.49 | Raigedas | as it does after about half a minute |
| 16:01.56 | break-free | viq, thanks |
| 16:02.00 | yabo | its on yeah |
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| 16:02.06 | yabo | or it was |
| 16:02.32 | break-free | viq, actually on the import VCF page there is no mention of FSO |
| 16:03.18 | viq | break-free: that's all I know ;) |
| 16:03.23 | break-free | haha, well thanks |
| 16:03.32 | break-free | looks like it's time to try qtopia :) |
| 16:03.49 | yabo | i have to go |
| 16:03.50 | Raigedas | yabo, actualy i did not try dfu-util on linux so i do not know if you need aditional drivers or something.. |
| 16:03.59 | yabo | thanks for trying to help, anyway |
| 16:04.00 | yabo | bai |
| 16:04.09 | Raigedas | bye |
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| 16:15.10 | TAsn | hey, how do i start gps in fso? |
| 16:16.55 | TAsn | is gpsd using gypsy or am i looking for something else? |
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| 16:17.05 | Tig| | TAsn: it will just work |
| 16:17.07 | Tig| | (tm) |
| 16:17.22 | TAsn | just running tango? |
| 16:17.24 | Tig| | through dbus magic |
| 16:17.26 | Tig| | yep |
| 16:17.33 | TAsn | or should i at least start gpsd? |
| 16:17.39 | Tig| | nope :) |
| 16:17.40 | TAsn | Tig|, dbus is magical ;] |
| 16:18.43 | Tig| | the technical reason is tangogps says "i can haz gps?" then dbuz goes "invisibl magic, I made you a gps and did not eat it" |
| 16:18.49 | lindi- | TAsn: gso-gpsd |
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| 16:19.06 | lindi- | no magic involved :) |
| 16:19.06 | TAsn | Tig|, ;] |
| 16:19.36 | TAsn | lindi-, i liked Tig|'s approach better ;] thanks. |
| 16:19.37 | Tig| | hmm framework bindings for lolcode? :) |
| 16:20.00 | aliases123 | Tig|: done where do i submit ? |
| 16:20.40 | Tig| | where do you submit what? sorry I am a little lost |
| 16:21.02 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03trevi55 * r60779566f4af 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qthumbstyle_p.cpp: [style] Reduce the size of the links |
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| 16:26.36 | TAsn | weird |
| 16:26.54 | TAsn | i did cat /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 16:27.01 | TAsn | and got data which looked like a fix |
| 16:27.15 | TAsn | though tango didn't even got a clock. |
| 16:27.43 | Weiss | TAsn: because you grabbed control of ttySAC1 and prevented gpsd from reading it? |
| 16:28.03 | TAsn | i don't think so |
| 16:28.10 | TAsn | since i did it when tango was up already. |
| 16:28.19 | TAsn | it may be so |
| 16:28.27 | TAsn | i will try not being a nag for a sec ;] |
| 16:29.47 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03trevi55 * re2a2eab4509a 10/src/server/phone/dialer/touch/dialer.cpp: [dialer] Have a entry to clear the number |
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| 16:37.03 | TAsn | still no go. |
| 16:37.13 | TAsn | and i don't think cat locks anyway. |
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| 16:39.16 | malik1972 | i have also problems with gpsd under trolltechs qtopia |
| 16:40.40 | malik1972 | the one liner for gps fixing gives me corrupted unreadable data |
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| 16:44.51 | Dave | \o/ |
| 16:45.40 | break-free | malik1972, have you tried qtopia snapshot 4.3.3 |
| 16:45.50 | Dave | oh snaps? |
| 16:45.55 | Dave | is it buggy and sucky? |
| 16:46.12 | Dave | casts a stern look over to lpotter |
| 16:46.16 | break-free | no, it's actually pretty quick and stable.... so far. But the call speaker volume is REALLY soft |
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| 16:47.25 | break-free | trying to figure out how to make it louder... the slider in hte prefs is all the way up |
| 16:48.06 | transylvania | break-free: you can use qtmixer as an app |
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| 16:48.51 | break-free | transylvania, GUI or terminal? |
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| 16:49.10 | break-free | there's alsamixer but no qtmixer |
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| 16:52.14 | break-free | how does one save their alsamixer settings? |
| 16:53.31 | wurp2|working | alsaconf -f /some/path/file.stat store |
| 16:53.54 | wurp2|working | er, I don't think it's alsaconf, I think it's the other alsa* - try to tab complete |
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| 16:54.09 | johnsu01 | check out /usr/share/scenarios/openmoko |
| 16:54.19 | johnsu01 | and edit those state files |
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| 16:54.35 | malik1972 | break-free: yes, i run 4.3.3 |
| 16:55.07 | malik1972 | break-free: it should be ...openmoko/scenarios |
| 16:55.23 | wurp2|working | s/alsaconf/alsactl/ |
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| 16:55.43 | wurp2|working | dammit, ignore apt. It *is* alsactl. |
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| 16:58.11 | break-free | malik1972, can't find the scenarios folder, it's not in my /usr/share |
| 16:58.26 | sicu | wurp2|working: good news ... the IS is worth the money ... all the microbubbles have disappeared and all the flaps are secure |
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| 16:59.08 | sicu | you just need to be a patient man when applying it ;p |
| 16:59.14 | malik1972 | break-free: see above first openmoko then ... |
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| 17:01.10 | DPThought | my fso-testing is missing libpyglib-2.0.so.0 has anyone a quickfix? opkg upgrade has nothing new |
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| 17:02.16 | break-free | malik1972, i'm not sure what you mean |
| 17:02.23 | break-free | sorry for being a pest |
| 17:03.17 | wurp2|working | sicu: Woohoo! |
| 17:03.22 | wurp2|working | Congratulations! |
| 17:03.22 | malik1972 | break-free: work with the tabulator, so you will see . |
| 17:03.33 | sicu | has anyone got navit working on the FR with routing and speechd ? |
| 17:03.40 | sicu | wurp2|working: thanks =] |
| 17:04.01 | break-free | malik1972, all I want to do is edit those state files |
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| 17:04.27 | wurp2|working | break-free: In trolltech qtopia, it's /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ |
| 17:04.55 | wurp2|working | I recommend using alsamixer to adjust your sound and alsactl store to save it, personally |
| 17:05.02 | wurp2|working | And of course backing up before you change :-) |
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| 17:05.24 | wurp2|working | sicu: I had navit working on my 01 with routing. I never tried speechd |
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| 17:05.32 | break-free | wurp2|working: I tried that, but after running alsactl store my alsamixer reverts to it's previous state |
| 17:05.39 | wurp2|working | It seemed as if the navit xml format changed slightly with every release. I finally gave up on it. |
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| 17:05.59 | wurp2|working | break-free: You're sure you ran alsactl store, not alsactl restore? |
| 17:06.15 | break-free | wurp2|working: Pretty sure, but i'll try again |
| 17:06.30 | wurp2|working | 'cause what you describe is expected behavior for restore |
| 17:06.54 | wurp2|working | You might store to a file in your local directory, then you can compare it to the one you want to change and copy it over if you're happy |
| 17:07.08 | slaxxin | i upgraded fdom 09132008 with opkg upgrade an it took it to 09172008 an all things look good havent used suspend though but for 2 days with no reboot an the sound has not quit |
| 17:07.35 | wurp2|working | fdom runs on fso for gsm, right? |
| 17:08.04 | slaxxin | no |
| 17:08.12 | break-free | wurp2|working: Ok, so I changed the speaker volume in alsamixer. Then ran "alsactl store". But when I make a call it reverts back |
| 17:08.23 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.54 | slaxxin | alsa needs some real work |
| 17:09.01 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * recaa10250a9b 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/ (Device.vala helpers.vala): Not all subsystems would have plugins to load |
| 17:09.15 | wurp2|working | break-free: What file did you store the alsa results in? |
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| 17:09.29 | sicu | wurp2|working: oki, thanks for the info |
| 17:09.47 | sicu | slaxxin: so you're pleased with fdom then? might have to give it a try |
| 17:09.53 | wurp2|working | 'cause when you make a call it does a alsactl restore /path/to/scenario/gsmhandset.state, I think |
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| 17:10.04 | wurp2|working | or the equivalent |
| 17:10.06 | break-free | oh, hm |
| 17:10.16 | slaxxin | i do like it |
| 17:10.27 | wurp2|working | So no matter how you modify in the mixer, if you don't persist it to that file, it won't be used during a call |
| 17:10.27 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.45 | wurp2|working | I am assuming that qtopia is switching sound over the same way as 2007.2, which may be a bad assumption |
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| 17:11.11 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 17:11.27 | wurp2|working | arr, matey |
| 17:11.59 | break-free | wurp2|working: so how would i save it to the gsmhandset.state? I tried alsactl store /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state and it says cannot find soundcard |
| 17:12.03 | break-free | am I doing it wrong |
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| 17:12.24 | wurp2|working | use the command I gave you earlier with the -f |
| 17:12.49 | wurp2|working | alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state store |
| 17:13.10 | wurp2|working | but first back the file up! |
| 17:13.19 | break-free | yeah, definitely |
| 17:14.02 | wurp2|working | anyone know if python dev w/ qt is supported in qtopia? |
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| 17:15.17 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r03f02f707772 10/fsod/src/subsystem.vala: Commit properly |
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| 17:20.14 | CM | Nice article: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080918-openmoko-ceo-embrace-fragmentation-diversity-is-a-strength.html |
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| 17:26.10 | anshar | i'm thinking bout buying a freerunner, now i'm quite good with linux and i don't mind tinkering a little bit, but overall, is it ready for every day use? |
| 17:26.35 | DPThought | anshar: yep |
| 17:26.47 | cjb | anshar: .. maybe |
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| 17:26.57 | anshar | i also read some reviews saying quite negative things though i'm not sure how accurate they are |
| 17:26.57 | cjb | it's my daily use phone, but I don't like phones very much |
| 17:27.07 | anshar | one states that the bus is rather sluggish, slowing everything down |
| 17:27.12 | DPThought | anshar: the different distros differ in the things that go in addition to calling... |
| 17:27.19 | anshar | (problem being i can't actually test one before buying it) |
| 17:27.27 | anshar | DPThought: ah k |
| 17:27.52 | anshar | is there any truth to the slow bus argument? |
| 17:27.52 | viq | anshar: as usual with such questions, what do you expect of it? |
| 17:28.11 | anshar | i expect it to work "normally", so not having to wait 5 s everytime i press a button (overstatement but you catch my drift :D) |
| 17:28.33 | anshar | like i said, my biggest problem is not being able to test it before i buy it |
| 17:28.47 | CM | I wouldn't use it as my only phone yet |
| 17:28.59 | viq | anshar: and what will you be pressing buttons for? :P |
| 17:29.02 | CM | But it's not far away at all now. |
| 17:29.11 | anshar | CM: hmm currently i don't really do much with my phone except call |
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| 17:29.20 | anshar | but i would realllllly need the gps functionality (first reason i'm looking for a new phone) |
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| 17:29.31 | anshar | and possibility to sync calendars/contacts/... with my computers |
| 17:29.34 | viq | What do you expect of GPS? |
| 17:29.38 | anshar | (o and play ogg/mp3/..) |
| 17:29.44 | anshar | viq: well...finding my way :> |
| 17:29.51 | anshar | i am a consultant |
| 17:29.56 | anshar | need to get to customers |
| 17:29.59 | anshar | need a gps badly :p |
| 17:30.22 | jaj | anshar: the freerunner is not a good bet for this |
| 17:30.28 | viq | Where you are? Yes. How to get somewhere? Supposedly navit is rather CPU-hungry, you'd rather need to have it plugged into power in the car |
| 17:30.32 | anshar | jaj: why's that? |
| 17:30.43 | anshar | viq: the plugged into car is not a problem |
| 17:30.56 | viq | And play with navit before you get FreeRunner |
| 17:31.29 | anshar | viq: ok will have a look |
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| 17:31.48 | jaj | anshar: I think the only free program that can do navigation is navit and even though I never played with it I don't think it can keep up with commercial GPS devices |
| 17:32.03 | anshar | jaj: hmm ok |
| 17:32.18 | anshar | jaj: wine + tomtom thingy? :D |
| 17:32.34 | jaj | an you would need an internet connection to retrieve the maps on the fly |
| 17:32.38 | viq | wine on arm? good luck! |
| 17:32.44 | anshar | jaj: um... |
| 17:32.49 | anshar | jaj: can i not simply dl all the maps in advance? |
| 17:32.52 | jaj | or attach an external usb hard drive with all the maps on it ;) |
| 17:33.03 | anshar | SD card? :| |
| 17:33.30 | jaj | depends on how many maps you want an what zoom levels |
| 17:33.40 | anshar | well belgium ain't exactly big :| |
| 17:33.40 | anshar | :> |
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| 17:34.01 | jaj | anshar: oh entire belgium will be very big :) |
| 17:34.07 | viq | Supposedly navit maps are more "space efficient" than the "default" OSM ones |
| 17:34.11 | anshar | jaj: how big? :D |
| 17:34.14 | DPThought | sd cards are cheap now. And navit maps are rather small because they are vector data. |
| 17:34.27 | wurp2|working | jaj: zoom level doesn't matter for navit. You download raw map files, not pngs |
| 17:34.35 | jaj | viq: I thought navit used OSM maps by default |
| 17:34.54 | viq | jaj: but binary forms, as DPThought said |
| 17:35.22 | wurp2|working | anshar: For a daily use phone, I think really only qtopia fits the bill. I used 2007.2 for a long time as my daily phone, but only because I have a high tolerance for failure :-) |
| 17:35.37 | anshar | qtopia :| |
| 17:35.39 | anshar | googling |
| 17:35.40 | DPThought | anshar: 73M for a OSB dump of germany in binary format. And 2,6G for commercial map&guide all europe cards |
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| 17:35.46 | anshar | o right |
| 17:36.07 | wurp2|working | qtopia is great (by neo standards, at least) |
| 17:36.22 | wurp2|working | The only issue I have is that I haven't found a good gps program yet (but I haven't really looked) |
| 17:36.43 | anshar | DPThought: i only have to have belgium, whcih is slightly smaller then germany |
| 17:36.45 | wurp2|working | and gprs isn't working for me yet - AT&T gophone has some weird config requirements |
| 17:36.47 | anshar | DPThought: so should be fine :D |
| 17:36.56 | wurp2|working | and it doesn't charge very well on a dumb charger |
| 17:37.12 | wurp2|working | phone calls are very stable, suspend & resume work fine |
| 17:37.26 | DPThought | anshar: the small screen is not perfect for car navi btw. |
| 17:37.35 | wurp2|working | although my gta01 seems to only live about 8 hours when suspended, which is much less than I expect |
| 17:37.38 | anshar | DPThought: should be big enough no? |
| 17:38.10 | wurp2|working | sms & address book work great. Media player is fine. |
| 17:38.25 | anshar | gps is the most important part hehe |
| 17:38.37 | Dave | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.41 | wurp2|working | anshar: Yeah, qpegps may fit the bill. I just haven't tried yet. |
| 17:38.44 | Dave | What are we talking about here? |
| 17:38.52 | Dave | qtopia? |
| 17:38.58 | wurp2|working | anshar wants to buy a FR and use it for his daily phone |
| 17:39.01 | wurp2|working | yep |
| 17:39.04 | Dave | oh snap |
| 17:39.05 | DPThought | anshar: at least not perfect. :) And the feature and stability of navit is far from what you can get for cheap with a standallone navi. I find navit very impressive, but far from 'done'. |
| 17:39.07 | Dave | is that really wise? :P |
| 17:39.13 | wurp2|working | IMO if you want any level of reliability, qtopia or fso are the only game in town |
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| 17:39.35 | Dave | I've heard a slew of complaints regarding the latest FSO build. |
| 17:39.41 | wurp2|working | And I'm not sure about the most recent fso |
| 17:39.44 | wurp2|working | yeah, me too |
| 17:39.44 | anshar | gah basically i want a linux phone for two reasons: philosophy and easy integration with all my systems at home :> |
| 17:39.45 | Dave | yeah :P |
| 17:39.50 | Dave | fucking qtopia |
| 17:39.52 | anshar | and fr is bout the only one atm.. |
| 17:39.53 | Dave | I wish it was useful. |
| 17:40.01 | wurp2|working | qtopia is useful for me... |
| 17:40.07 | Dave | no apps, no browser, no coolness. |
| 17:40.16 | wurp2|working | I don't want to program in qt, but I haven't been programming for neo in a long while :-( |
| 17:40.18 | Dave | no nothing |
| 17:40.19 | Dave | :[ |
| 17:40.22 | Dave | yeah :\ |
| 17:40.29 | wurp2|working | phone calls, suspend/resume, media player, terminal |
| 17:40.38 | wurp2|working | sms, address book all work in qtopia |
| 17:40.59 | anshar | does anyone know of another (possibly more stable :p) linux phone? |
| 17:41.02 | anshar | ready for every day use |
| 17:41.27 | wurp2|working | anshar: There are phones based on linux, but none that are open afaik other than FR or gta01 |
| 17:41.29 | lindi- | anshar: isn't the stability a software thing? |
| 17:41.42 | anshar | lindi-: i hope so :D |
| 17:42.33 | wurp2|working | And qtopia is much faster than 2007.2 for most things |
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| 17:43.55 | anshar | any estimate on how long it will be before fr will become stable enough for every day use? |
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| 17:44.08 | toggles_w | `anshar: go play with android |
| 17:44.19 | wurp2|working | anshar: Any answer to that question will be wrong. |
| 17:44.19 | anshar | toggles_w: no phones as of yet :> |
| 17:44.37 | anshar | wurp2|working: gah :( |
| 17:44.42 | wurp2|working | anshar: expected FR release date in 8/2007 was 10/2007 |
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| 17:44.54 | wurp2|working | anshar: It actually came out in... 6/2008? Is that right? |
| 17:44.57 | anshar | wurp2|working: ye, tell me bout it... |
| 17:45.02 | anshar | wurp2|working: i've been following the project for ages hehe |
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| 17:45.21 | wurp2|working | I gave up & bought an 01 in 1/2007. I'm very glad I did. |
| 17:45.34 | anshar | wurp2|working: well, the wi-fi was also a necessary component |
| 17:45.40 | anshar | otherwise i would've gone for the 01 as well |
| 17:45.44 | wurp2|working | anshar: Not to me :-) |
| 17:46.00 | wurp2|working | I would only use wifi at home, and there I use bt networking |
| 17:46.27 | Dave | damn evolution |
| 17:46.30 | wurp2|working | Every once in a while on a trip I regret not having wifi, but mostly I can limp by on gprs |
| 17:46.35 | Dave | stop hiding your databases from me! |
| 17:46.38 | anshar | wurp2|working: i'm not a big fan of gprs |
| 17:46.42 | anshar | wurp2|working: mostly cause of the bill :D |
| 17:46.48 | anshar | wurp2|working: insanely expensive for a piece of crap :> |
| 17:46.52 | wurp2|working | anshar: Me neither. But I have unlimited gprs for $20/month |
| 17:47.02 | anshar | wurp2|working: belgium isn't exactly known for cheap internet :D |
| 17:47.04 | wurp2|working | on a no-contract phone account |
| 17:47.10 | toggles_w | wurp2|working: tmobile? |
| 17:47.11 | wurp2|working | anshar: :-/ |
| 17:47.17 | wurp2|working | toggles_w: AT&T gophone |
| 17:47.18 | anshar | wurp2|working: so wi-fi was a must |
| 17:47.23 | wurp2|working | anshar: I see |
| 17:47.32 | anshar | o btw, one more questoin that i occassionaly ask :D |
| 17:47.38 | anshar | how does the fr react when you put it in you rpocket |
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| 17:47.42 | anshar | or next to your ear to answer a phone call |
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| 17:47.59 | anshar | can you lock it or something? |
| 17:48.01 | toggles_w | wurp2|working: does your sim work in the moko? |
| 17:49.00 | wurp2|working | toggles_w: Yeah, no problems |
| 17:49.08 | wurp2|working | toggles_w: I had to get a firmware upgrade on my gta01 |
| 17:49.17 | wurp2|working | toggles_w: But FR should already have that version |
| 17:49.19 | toggles_w | .15c for an sms is a bit steep though |
| 17:49.27 | wurp2|working | anshar: nope |
| 17:49.51 | wurp2|working | toggles_w: I don't send many sms. I never pay more than the minimum gophone pmt, and I have about $140 accumulated now |
| 17:49.52 | anshar | wurp2|working: so um...how do you keep it from accidently activating stuff when you put it in your pocket? |
| 17:49.57 | anshar | i mean it's touchscreen ay... |
| 17:50.15 | wurp2|working | That would be more like $400, but when I first got gprs working, I hadn't bought unlimited connection yet :-) |
| 17:50.23 | toggles_w | wurp2|working: so whats your bill? $60+ tax? |
| 17:50.26 | wurp2|working | anshar: Oh, in pocket, yes, it has a screen lock |
| 17:50.37 | toggles_w | sory $50+tax |
| 17:50.45 | wurp2|working | That sounds about right |
| 17:50.48 | anshar | wurp2|working: and when you are calling someone? no chance of accidently ending the call when you put it to your ear? :D |
| 17:50.58 | wurp2|working | anshar: I can only say that's never happened to me |
| 17:51.13 | toggles_w | danm, i'm $60 with tmobile, haven't got my gprs working yet though |
| 17:51.23 | anshar | wurp2|working: btw, out of the box, does it have navit or any other gps software? |
| 17:51.41 | wurp2|working | anshar: not sure; I don't have an FR. Others can answer that better. |
| 17:51.49 | wurp2|working | I expect it to have tangogps |
| 17:51.51 | wurp2|working | But! |
| 17:51.53 | anshar | does anyone know? |
| 17:52.07 | wurp2|working | Out of the box, calls won't consistently work, and it won't suspend, which means battery life is about 5 hours |
| 17:52.13 | toggles_w | anshar: nope, you can upgrade and get tangogps |
| 17:52.23 | anshar | tangogps > navit? |
| 17:52.26 | toggles_w | out of the box it just looks pretty |
| 17:52.31 | anshar | lol |
| 17:53.01 | viq | anshar: "on which distribution?" ;P |
| 17:53.08 | toggles_w | i'm actually happy with fso ms3, really really basic phone operation that just works, battery life is a bit crap though |
| 17:53.13 | anshar | hmm actually thinking...could get a gps built-in when i get mi new car... :| |
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| 17:54.30 | wurp2|working | anshar: tangogps is faster than navit and can dl maps on the fly |
| 17:54.37 | anshar | wurp2|working: o |
| 17:54.43 | anshar | wurp2|working: accurate? |
| 17:54.46 | wurp2|working | anshar: and it doesn't need you to hand edit config files after upgrades |
| 17:54.51 | wurp2|working | anshar: both are accurate |
| 17:55.22 | wurp2|working | anshar: but navit can use a much smaller map file to get the job done, and provide maps at any magnification, and can do routing (but routing is SLOW) |
| 17:55.31 | wurp2|working | not unusably slow, but very slow |
| 17:55.32 | viq | anshar: but tangogps doesn't calculate routes, it is only concerned where the spot you marked is in relation to you in straight line |
| 17:55.41 | anshar | viq ooo |
| 17:55.46 | anshar | well that's not...exactly what i need :D |
| 17:55.53 | anshar | i need a "go left in 200 meter" kinda thing :D |
| 17:56.05 | wurp2|working | anshar: Then you need something other than an FR right now |
| 17:56.10 | anshar | damn :| |
| 17:56.12 | slaxxin | if u have debian on sd an running 2008.8 on flash what is the path from 2008 to store maps/share map date on the sdcard/debian? |
| 17:56.21 | wurp2|working | theoretically navit supports that, but afaik no one has it working that way on FR |
| 17:56.30 | anshar | ic |
| 17:57.20 | anshar | damn |
| 17:57.40 | anshar | i def don't want a windows based one and symbian is getting quite dodgy as well imo hehe |
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| 17:58.19 | anshar | what to do... |
| 17:58.46 | Raigedas | will debian fit on stock uSD 512 MB card? |
| 17:59.06 | wurp2|working | anshar: Buy a FR, put qtopia on it for now, and buy a $100 gps |
| 17:59.14 | wurp2|working | Raigedas: barely, I believe |
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| 17:59.25 | anshar | wurp2|working: there is an idea :p |
| 17:59.35 | wurp2|working | anshar: Then sell the $100 gps when gps on FR is stable |
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| 18:00.58 | viq | wurp2|working: a friend says he has navit giving him routes on FR on 2008 |
| 18:01.15 | anshar | Poor performance + slow bus speed of the Glamo GPU <- from the known / accepted issues |
| 18:01.18 | anshar | how big of an issue is it irl? |
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| 18:03.41 | Staticwave_Ace | pretty big, it doesn't feel like a 400MHz system |
| 18:04.46 | anshar | :s |
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| 18:07.51 | DEac- | if i call somebody, i can hear him and he can hear me. but if somebody calls me, we don't hear anything. i read. that there are some problems with audio, but this problem i didn't find yet |
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| 18:10.08 | Raigedas | wurp2|working, you said "Then sell the $100 gps when gps on FR is stable". did you mean software support or actual hardware? |
| 18:12.38 | DEac- | alsamixer sais, everything on and loud |
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| 18:12.56 | starox | Argh ! I'm using fso-makefile and my homemade kernel don't boot. Wheras the one with the same revision in downloads.freesmartphone.org boots :( (on gta01) |
| 18:13.39 | wurp2|working | Raigedas: software. The gps hardware is fine |
| 18:13.58 | Raigedas | ou, good to hear then |
| 18:14.00 | Raigedas | :) |
| 18:14.16 | wurp2|working | viq: I got routes working on navit; it was the speech part I didn't get working |
| 18:14.31 | Raigedas | i was afraid that i should buy GTA03 for fixed GPS.. |
| 18:14.50 | viq | oh |
| 18:14.51 | Gnutoo | hello, i've compiled firefox for om2008.8...what's good: can see ssl websites if you import the certificate using ssh -Y drawbacs: is slow but usable...what should i do...publish it the same why than wesnoth? it's in oe...i just build it... |
| 18:14.58 | wurp2|working | Raigedas: afaik there are no insurmountable hw problems in FR |
| 18:15.02 | Gnutoo | s/why/way |
| 18:15.14 | Raigedas | good to hear |
| 18:15.21 | wurp2|working | Raigedas: There is an issue with the gsm dropping connection, but from what I hear it can be worked around in sw, and it may even be correct behavior |
| 18:15.43 | Raigedas | ok |
| 18:15.43 | wurp2|working | Well, I say no insurmountable problems... |
| 18:16.10 | wurp2|working | Glamo is fubar and everyone knows it, but it's a performance impact on high graphics apps, not anything that is just broken |
| 18:16.13 | bricode | Raigedas: Debian is about 350 megs installed. That's with apt-get clean. |
| 18:16.46 | Raigedas | bricode, but what about before clean? |
| 18:16.58 | SpeedEvil | The biggest issue is the GSM buzz |
| 18:17.08 | bricode | Raigedas: I think I heard about 430. Script cleans by default. I'm trying it now without clean. |
| 18:17.11 | SpeedEvil | Which can't be worked round in software. |
| 18:17.43 | bricode | Raigedas: I'll have some more figures in about 30 minutes, but my installation has some extra packages. |
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| 18:18.26 | Raigedas | bricode, so you think that 512MB card is not a problem and i would be able to test debian? |
| 18:18.32 | wurp2|working | SpeedEvil: I don't think I've even heard of that one, other than a few people talking about problems only they were having |
| 18:18.35 | bricode | Raigedas: Certainly. |
| 18:18.40 | Raigedas | thanks |
| 18:18.49 | wurp2|working | SpeedEvil: Is that FR specific, not on gta01? |
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| 18:19.31 | bricode | SpeedEvil: Has it been confirmed that it's the headset jack picking up the RF signal? |
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| 18:25.12 | Dave | BRIAN |
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| 18:32.25 | SpeedEvil | Brinky: I haven't been completely keeping up - have been having house maintainance problems - but as I understand it, yes. |
| 18:32.30 | SpeedEvil | de: |
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| 18:39.25 | bricode | Dave: How's tricks? |
| 18:40.02 | bricode | Raigedas: I've got 388 meg Debian without cleaning and with extra packages. |
| 18:40.45 | Raigedas | bricode, ok. mine is still setting up itself... |
| 18:40.48 | bricode | Raigedas: .debs take up about 64 meg. |
| 18:43.31 | Raigedas | bricode, does debian have ability to show in landscape? and do mplayer (or other player) shows video at 25fps? |
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| 18:44.05 | bricode | Raigedas: Don't know about landscape yet, but I'm sure it could be configured for that. |
| 18:44.25 | viq | xrandr -o left ;) |
| 18:44.42 | bricode | Raigedas: As for mplayer, I'm not sure. I know that raster was hitting some limits with the glamo chip. There was a blog post about a patched mplayer somewhere... |
| 18:44.57 | aliases123 | PULLS PHONE OUT STILL GOOD AFTER 3 DAYS of on time. |
| 18:45.22 | aliases123 | there was no sim in .... gps off wifi off .... but ... that's still ok. |
| 18:45.55 | bove | hi. I just followed all instructions for illume keyboard on 2008.8, but ent up just having qtopia keyboard with qwerty button |
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| 18:46.49 | bove | where do I find illume prefferences? |
| 18:46.59 | mwester | aliases123: That's an interesting data-point; it seems to have been "tribal knowlege" that the GSM sucks a lot of the battery, but I've never heard anyone test with the current images and no SIM card. |
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| 18:48.14 | aliases123 | mwester: something like 3 days ... should get the uptime for you. (lazy) |
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| 18:51.31 | aliases123 | for some reason the uptime is reporting 3 hours. which is impossible. |
| 18:51.57 | bricode | aliases123: Not really. Not if it automagically rebooted. |
| 18:51.58 | aliases123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.20 | aliases123 | bricode: impossible because 2008.8 isn't the default, that's on an sdcard. 2007 is on the phone... |
| 18:52.44 | bricode | aliases123: In that case, you're probably right. |
| 18:53.01 | bricode | aliases123: Some weird clock change/reset? |
| 18:53.06 | aliases123 | probably |
| 18:53.10 | SpeedEvil | it only counts wake time? |
| 18:53.30 | aliases123 | SpeedEvil: shouldn't |
| 18:53.57 | aliases123 | fskc why is there no /var/log/ |
| 18:54.04 | aliases123 | of use. |
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| 18:54.47 | aliases123 | ah the .X0-lock |
| 18:54.53 | aliases123 | should be from when it was turned on yeah |
| 18:56.02 | aliases123 | well in that case its 2days exactly almost (when more than 50 charge remaining)( 77%). |
| 18:56.54 | bove | isnt illume-config a program? |
| 18:57.28 | aliases123 | mmm i wonder what is causing the uptime reporting to be incorrect tho. |
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| 19:08.46 | Raigedas | after debian install, am i put to FSO interface? |
| 19:09.46 | paroneayea | Raigedas: after the debian install, FSO stuff should be set up, yes |
| 19:09.47 | Raigedas | how could i see regular desktop? |
| 19:10.36 | paroneayea | Raigedas: by default it doesn't start with any "regular desktop", it launches FSO exclusively. I know it's possible to put a "home" desktop app there, but admittedly I'm unsure as to how |
| 19:10.38 | Raigedas | i mean gnome |
| 19:11.37 | paroneayea | Raigedas: there are instructions for installing xfce, which is pretty easy to use on there... I'm sure gnome is similiar: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#XFCE |
| 19:11.55 | Raigedas | ok, thanks |
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| 19:12.23 | paroneayea | hope it helps :) |
| 19:21.27 | wurp2|working | Isn't FDOM debian + fso + some other stuff? Does it include starting Illume or somethings as an app launcher? |
| 19:21.49 | wurp2|working | s/somethings/something/ |
| 19:24.52 | Dave | hmm |
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| 19:27.46 | Dave | damn you qtopia!! |
| 19:27.55 | Dave | :( |
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| 19:28.58 | bricode | Dave: Now now. Control your temper :) |
| 19:30.09 | Dave | >:O |
| 19:31.52 | lpotter | whats wrong with Qtopia? |
| 19:32.26 | Dave | LORN |
| 19:32.33 | Dave | It's you! :) |
| 19:33.23 | cga | anyone has tried 2008.9 ??? |
| 19:33.34 | Dave | Some of us just have some things to speak with you about, Mr. Potter |
| 19:33.43 | Dave | Cga, is it 2010 already? :) |
| 19:33.45 | cga | Dave: calm down and say uuuhhh i luv italians |
| 19:34.07 | cga | not yet Dave =) |
| 19:34.14 | cga | (and why are you asking?) |
| 19:34.20 | wurp2|working | lpotter: Is there a way to tell qtopia what phone # to call for gprs? |
| 19:34.35 | wurp2|working | AT&T GoPhone uses a slightly weird one |
| 19:34.46 | johnsu01 | wurp2|working: edit the chatscript in /home/root |
| 19:35.19 | wurp2|working | johnsu01: I don't see a chatscript in /home/root... |
| 19:35.23 | johnsu01 | Applications/Network/chat |
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| 19:35.29 | wurp2|working | ah |
| 19:35.31 | wurp2|working | Thanks! |
| 19:35.37 | johnsu01 | http://journal.wjsullivan.net/232100.html |
| 19:36.14 | cjb | oh, does someone have AT&T GoPhone GPRS working? (Not contract.) |
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| 19:36.28 | johnsu01 | wurp2|working: or edit /opt/Qtopia/ppp-network to make the write kind of chatscript in the first place :) |
| 19:36.30 | cjb | I gave it a try but didn't get it to work. |
| 19:36.37 | johnsu01 | s/write/right |
| 19:36.39 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * rafc3d09731fb 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] modify the git server from moblin.org to git.moblin.org |
| 19:37.05 | cjb | huh, those qtopia screenshots look unfamiliar |
| 19:37.27 | cjb | is that the qtopia.net build, then? |
| 19:37.28 | johnsu01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.36 | johnsu01 | cjb: yeah |
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| 19:38.57 | leinir-cabinboy | Damn... That's timing and a bit *giggles* :) |
| 19:39.11 | leinir-cabinboy | Tomorrow it's f-hacking here at uni, with the topic being OpenMoko... |
| 19:39.19 | *** join/#openmoko vor (n=s@bzq-79-183-117-173.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 19:39.27 | leinir-cabinboy | And 2008.9 was just officially released ;) |
| 19:40.21 | wurp2|working | cjb: It works for me in 2007.2 |
| 19:40.58 | wurp2|working | johnsu01: afaik there is no way to tell it what # to dial in the qtopia UI. However, qtopia appears to already use the right #, so something else is wrong :-( |
| 19:41.13 | johnsu01 | wurp2|working: what does the log say? did you try the chaps-secrets change? |
| 19:41.32 | wurp2|working | I didn't, but I didn't need it in 2007.2... |
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| 19:43.12 | wurp2|working | johnsu01: I dunno where the logs are :-) |
| 19:43.34 | johnsu01 | logread |
| 19:43.34 | johnsu01 | logread -f while you are dialing |
| 19:44.13 | wurp2|working | thanks, watching now |
| 19:45.21 | wurp2|working | hmm, it looks as if it may want the chap secrets update |
| 19:45.31 | wurp2|working | which is weird, since I can connect in 2007.2 w/o it |
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| 19:45.52 | johnsu01 | I think there's a bug of some sort -- it doesn't seem like it should be needed, because the ppp options file tells it not to authenticate |
| 19:46.08 | johnsu01 | but it tries chap anyway unless I make that change to the password file |
| 19:47.25 | Raigedas | how to launch console on debian/FSO ? |
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| 19:48.39 | wurp2|working | OK, how am I supposed to change the text entry method in qtopia? |
| 19:48.44 | wurp2|working | i.e. bring up a kbd? |
| 19:48.59 | johnsu01 | wurp2|working: either the lower left menu or the icon in the upper right |
| 19:49.03 | wurp2|working | the handwriting is frustrating |
| 19:49.06 | wurp2|working | I see the icon |
| 19:49.12 | wurp2|working | but clicking on it doesn't seem to do anything |
| 19:49.13 | johnsu01 | if you tap the icon you should get the menu to change it |
| 19:49.15 | johnsu01 | tap harder :) |
| 19:49.19 | wurp2|working | (the icon says 'abc') |
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| 19:50.14 | wurp2|working | dammit |
| 19:50.42 | johnsu01 | wurp2|working: but usually there is also an option in the lower left menu, in a lot of contexts |
| 19:50.43 | wurp2|working | I keep poking around near the icon. Once I got the menu to come up, but then I poked again before it had actually popped up so it immediately disappeared |
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| 19:55.22 | mwester | wurp2|working: calibrate your touchscreen? I've had to do that regularly with Qtopia; I'm wondering if it loses the calibration on each boot. |
| 19:55.54 | wurp2|working | mwester: Yep, there's a definite calibration issue |
| 19:55.56 | rooly | loved qtopia |
| 19:55.58 | rooly | very responsive |
| 19:56.00 | rooly | however |
| 19:56.08 | wurp2|working | I had never had to calibrate it in any other release, so I thought it must be me |
| 19:56.11 | rooly | it lost sound after the first call |
| 19:56.14 | wurp2|working | I just clipped my fingernails :-) |
| 19:56.19 | rooly | so...i had to uninstall it |
| 19:57.58 | lpotter | huh? calibration issue? |
| 19:58.27 | wurp2|working | Woohoo! Thanks johnsu01! Your chap-secrets fix worked. |
| 19:58.35 | wurp2|working | lpotter: It's definitely just slightly off |
| 19:58.58 | wurp2|working | I have to touch the key below the one I want on the keyboard, even with a stylus |
| 19:59.13 | wurp2|working | And I could work the matchbox keyboard with my fingers |
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| 19:59.23 | wurp2|working | (mostly) |
| 20:00.27 | johnsu01 | wurp2|working: yay :) |
| 20:00.51 | wurp2|working | So, how do I install new apps? Is there a graphical installer? |
| 20:01.14 | wurp2|working | nm, I see "Software Packages" |
| 20:01.20 | lpotter | wurp2|working: tried recalibrating? |
| 20:01.51 | ieatlint | there's "google phonebook" now? ... damn, is there anything google doesn't do.. |
| 20:02.00 | wurp2|working | lpotter: Not yet; I made it past my issue for now :-) |
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| 20:03.55 | wurp2|working | Agh! |
| 20:04.15 | wurp2|working | never mind, I see: dns problem |
| 20:05.13 | ljp | ya. somethings wrong with OM |
| 20:05.27 | ljp | never sets the dns up |
| 20:05.40 | wurp2|working | ljp: It works on 2007.2 ;-) |
| 20:05.56 | wurp2|working | Anyone know a public dns off the top of their head? |
| 20:06.00 | johnsu01 | wurp2|working: dns fix is in my post too |
| 20:06.30 | johnsu01 | it sets the dns just not in the place that other things are expecting it |
| 20:06.31 | wurp2|working | found one |
| 20:06.59 | Dave | It's the wurps! |
| 20:07.00 | ljp | opendns: 208.67.222.222 |
| 20:07.04 | Dave | What's working on what now? :D |
| 20:07.21 | ljp | johnsu01: what opst is that? |
| 20:07.30 | ljp | post that is |
| 20:07.39 | johnsu01 | ljp: http://journal.wjsullivan.net/232100.html |
| 20:08.16 | wurp2|working | Dave: getting gprs all set up on qtopia |
| 20:11.07 | yabo | Hello |
| 20:11.10 | yabo | i am wondering |
| 20:11.15 | yabo | when flashing your neo freerunner |
| 20:11.19 | yabo | what is lsusb for? |
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| 20:12.57 | Dave | oh snaps |
| 20:13.08 | Dave | wurps, I've had it working great on my 2007 phones |
| 20:13.22 | yabo | i need some help flashing my freerunner |
| 20:13.28 | Dave | wurp, does it not work on qtopia presently? |
| 20:13.32 | wurp2|working | Dave: me too, after I figured out how to make gophone work |
| 20:13.33 | Dave | or properly, rather |
| 20:13.38 | Dave | heh |
| 20:13.45 | Dave | :P |
| 20:13.47 | wurp2|working | Dave: works fine after I followed johnsu01's instructions :-) |
| 20:13.51 | Dave | :D |
| 20:13.56 | Dave | What's the special secret? |
| 20:14.03 | mwester | ljp: Any update on those patches? :-) |
| 20:14.13 | Dave | haha |
| 20:14.16 | Dave | high-fives mwester |
| 20:14.25 | yabo | whenever i run sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uimage, I get a "Device still in runtime mode!" (i am on the *** BOOT MENU (NOR) ***) |
| 20:14.29 | yabo | what can i try? |
| 20:15.48 | mwester | yabo: Are you sure it's complaining about your FR? Might it be that you have a bluetooth device on USB (either external, or built-in)? |
| 20:16.01 | yabo | no bluetooth devices that i know of |
| 20:16.04 | wurp2|working | yabo: You have to shut down, hold aux while pressing power to restart it, then select USB console |
| 20:16.13 | yabo | i have to select usb console? |
| 20:16.16 | yabo | i didnt know that |
| 20:16.18 | yabo | k thanks |
| 20:16.35 | wurp2|working | Yeah, I shoulda read your whole comment - you just need to select usb console :-) |
| 20:17.03 | yabo | still doesnt work |
| 20:17.08 | yabo | and when i set console to usb |
| 20:17.09 | wurp2|working | Dave: http://journal.wjsullivan.net/232100.html |
| 20:17.19 | yabo | it says "hit AUX to return to menu" or something like that |
| 20:17.24 | yabo | before it goes back to the NOR boot menu |
| 20:17.26 | wurp2|working | that is normal |
| 20:17.31 | yabo | ok |
| 20:17.32 | wurp2|working | But then dfu-util should work |
| 20:17.52 | wurp2|working | unless it's confusing some other device for your FR, as mwester said |
| 20:17.58 | Dave | :o |
| 20:18.13 | yabo | how can i fix that? |
| 20:18.29 | wurp2|working | yabo: Disconnect all other usb devices & shut down bt? |
| 20:18.41 | mwester | lsusb |
| 20:18.59 | wurp2|working | yabo: Then try again |
| 20:19.05 | mwester | or you can just give dfu-util the usb id number for the fr -- it's in the wiki. |
| 20:19.19 | yabo | http://paste.rootmybox.org/index.php?show=563 |
| 20:19.23 | yabo | that is the out from lsusb |
| 20:20.15 | yabo | mwester, how do i find the id number for the phone? |
| 20:20.18 | yabo | i cant tell them apart |
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| 20:20.34 | mwester | How about pasting the output from "sudo dfu-util --list" (and you can find the id number for the phone on the wiki) |
| 20:21.01 | mwester | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#--device <----- tells you the id number and how to use it. |
| 20:22.15 | yabo | mwester, i cant see the id number :P |
| 20:22.27 | yabo | 1457:5119 is not on lsusb |
| 20:22.36 | mwester | And I think you need to be in NAND to use dfu in the standard way; I've never done it from NOR (you only use NOR if your NAND is trashed.) |
| 20:22.46 | yabo | and sudo dfu-util --list shows just the licensing-stuff and a blank line |
| 20:22.47 | wurp2|working | ljp: Is there some nice feed I can add to let me install a web browser and/or qpegps? |
| 20:22.56 | yabo | how do i get into NAND? |
| 20:22.56 | mwester | If you can't see the id number, then your FR is not at the u-boot prompt. |
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| 20:23.00 | wurp2|working | mwester: Oh, good point |
| 20:23.12 | mwester | yabo: the wiki is your freind! |
| 20:23.12 | wurp2|working | I don't have NOR, so I don't think about that |
| 20:23.23 | wurp2|working | And I have no idea how to get to NOR or NAND on FR :-) |
| 20:23.29 | yabo | but mwester |
| 20:23.34 | yabo | the wiki tells me to Boot the FreeRunner from NOR Flash |
| 20:23.45 | mwester | where? |
| 20:23.49 | yabo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Boot_the_FreeRunner_from_NOR_Flash |
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| 20:23.59 | yabo | i am following that page to flash my phone btw |
| 20:24.00 | mwester | Why are you on that page? |
| 20:24.17 | yabo | i shouldnt? |
| 20:24.47 | mwester | I guess I'm asking what you are trying to accomplish? Are you replacing your NAND u-boot? |
| 20:25.06 | yabo | i am trying to install 2008.9 |
| 20:25.14 | yabo | i just got my phone today |
| 20:25.20 | mwester | Ah, ok. |
| 20:25.24 | mwester | Then forget about NOR flash. |
| 20:25.24 | yabo | and thought i should update the software to the most recent version |
| 20:25.28 | yabo | OKI |
| 20:25.30 | yabo | what do i do? :D |
| 20:25.31 | mwester | Boot to NAND flash the normal way. |
| 20:25.39 | yabo | hold the powerbutton? |
| 20:26.04 | mwester | Yes, and depress the aux button one second after depressing (and holding) power. |
| 20:26.16 | mwester | You will get a boot menu, but this time it will say NAND at the top. |
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| 20:26.51 | mwester | That's the normal, standard, boot menu that you will always use [ the only exception being when you have totally screwed up your NAND u-boot, which should never ever happen by accident). |
| 20:26.56 | mwester | ] |
| 20:27.17 | Dave | you should hack into lpotter's system and steal his source code :p |
| 20:27.27 | wurp2|working | mwester: The only time your NAND u-boot should be totally screwed up is when you do it on purpose? |
| 20:27.43 | mwester | Once at that menu, you have 30 seconds (or a bit less) to get dfu-util working, or it will auto-boot. |
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| 20:28.13 | mwester | Depress the aux key every few seconds to make it not autoboot, if you need more time to get the dfu-util started. |
| 20:28.39 | mwester | wurp2|working: Yep. :D You have to be one of the insane people who reflash experimental boot-loaders. |
| 20:29.07 | wurp2|working | And don't forget to rotate widdershins on your left foot while you do it, and shake the magic beans and crow feather fetish |
| 20:29.16 | Wonka | those should not be insane but know what they do :) |
| 20:29.35 | yabo | mwester |
| 20:29.42 | yabo | i got "Device still in runtime mode!" |
| 20:29.52 | yabo | *** BOOT MENU (NAND) *** |
| 20:30.00 | wurp2|working | yabo: After you got to NAND menu, did you start usb console? |
| 20:30.04 | yabo | ah |
| 20:30.05 | yabo | no |
| 20:30.11 | wurp2|working | You still have to do that :-) |
| 20:30.35 | yabo | still get device still in runtime mode |
| 20:30.40 | wurp2|working | although the "runtime mode" message sounds misleading anyway |
| 20:30.42 | mwester | yabo -- then it has started to boot by the time you run dfu-util. |
| 20:30.55 | yabo | i dont think so |
| 20:30.58 | yabo | i still see the boot menu |
| 20:31.04 | mwester | Use lsusb (as root) to see if you can see that device ID. |
| 20:31.18 | mwester | If you cannot, then fix that first, before you try dfu-util |
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| 20:31.25 | mwester | Check your cable. |
| 20:31.31 | yabo | which device ID? |
| 20:31.36 | yabo | i think i know which one it is, |
| 20:31.38 | mwester | The one in the wiki. |
| 20:31.43 | yabo | i cant see the one in the wiki |
| 20:31.54 | yabo | the one from the phone (only one on bus 2) has id 0000:0000 |
| 20:32.11 | yabo | perhaps i should try bus 1? |
| 20:32.15 | mwester | Perhaps. |
| 20:32.19 | mwester | or a new cable |
| 20:32.29 | yabo | the cable works i think |
| 20:32.33 | yabo | i can ssh to the phone |
| 20:32.48 | yabo | crawls under his desk |
| 20:33.27 | mwester | What is yoiur host system? |
| 20:33.49 | yabo | i am using kubuntu on a vm to connect to the phone atm |
| 20:34.18 | mwester | AhhH!!!!!!! |
| 20:34.21 | mwester | That explains it. |
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| 20:34.38 | mwester | Try a live CD. |
| 20:35.11 | mwester | AFAIK, you can't do that from a VM. |
| 20:35.17 | yabo | oh |
| 20:35.21 | yabo | blah.. |
| 20:35.31 | yabo | internet doesnt work when i run out of windows |
| 20:35.42 | yabo | cant get the onboard network-card drivers to work |
| 20:36.10 | yabo | what if i tried in windows? |
| 20:36.35 | mwester | dfu-util doesn't work in Windows. Somebody needs to write a tool that will do that... but nobody has yet. |
| 20:38.05 | mwester | goes to edit the wiki, because this is the second time in a week that somebody had tried to use dfu-util with VMware. |
| 20:38.59 | yabo | hihi |
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| 20:39.30 | wurp2|working | No one knows a web browser to use on qtopia? |
| 20:39.34 | wurp2|working | 4.3.2 |
| 20:40.26 | yabo | mwester |
| 20:40.32 | yabo | can i use NeoTool? |
| 20:40.52 | yabo | does it work properly and all? |
| 20:41.03 | wurp2|working | yabo: why not a live cd? |
| 20:41.17 | yabo | going to boot live usb in a sec |
| 20:41.20 | yabo | to try |
| 20:41.22 | bove | has anyone tried Duke3d on 2008.8? |
| 20:41.30 | yabo | does NeoTool work? |
| 20:41.41 | wurp2|working | dunno |
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| 20:42.53 | yabo | btw |
| 20:42.56 | yabo | to install 2008.9 |
| 20:43.04 | yabo | do i need to do the " Flashing the boot loader to the NAND" |
| 20:43.06 | yabo | -part? |
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| 20:44.11 | yabo | because i cant find any uboot.bin-ish files |
| 20:44.31 | yabo | just rootfs and uImage (and splash) |
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| 20:46.19 | yabo | ? |
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| 20:47.03 | yabo | oh well |
| 20:47.06 | yabo | im off to live USB |
| 20:47.07 | yabo | brb |
| 20:47.08 | wurp2|working | yabo: No, don't do that |
| 20:47.12 | yabo | ok thanks |
| 20:47.14 | wurp2|working | Don't install the boot loader |
| 20:47.17 | wurp2|working | Just kernel & rootfs |
| 20:47.40 | yabo | btw |
| 20:47.45 | yabo | why should i use boot menu NAND |
| 20:47.47 | yabo | ? |
| 20:47.59 | yabo | the wiki says Boot the FreeRunner from NOR Flash |
| 20:48.18 | sgrover | I will be picking up a new micro SD card today. Looks like I can get a 4 GB one for pretty cheap. But it is an SDHC... anyone know if the FR will support SDHC? |
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| 20:48.22 | yabo | next entry is # Stay in NOR uBoot menu, do not select or enter any item in menu. Now you will be able to flash, make backups of your FreeRunner or query the FreeRunner with dfu-util. |
| 20:48.28 | wurp2|working | It says that for installing a new kernel? |
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| 20:48.40 | sgrover | yabo: because that is the only time the dfu-utils package will be able to talk directly to the FR. |
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| 20:48.53 | wurp2|working | sgrover: Not in NAND flash? |
| 20:48.56 | yabo | but sgrover, the guys here tell me to use NAND |
| 20:49.03 | wurp2|working | 'cause NAND flash works great on gta01 |
| 20:49.05 | mwester | Both NAND and NOR work fine. |
| 20:49.08 | yabo | im confused, which should i use? |
| 20:49.12 | mwester | NOR is not intended for general use. |
| 20:49.13 | wurp2|working | I have no experience with FR :-) |
| 20:49.23 | mwester | The documentionat says NOR so that you can reflash the u-boot |
| 20:49.30 | mwester | The documentation is trying to be too smart |
| 20:49.34 | yabo | NAND then? |
| 20:49.36 | mwester | NAND |
| 20:49.39 | mwester | NADN |
| 20:49.39 | yabo | okidoki |
| 20:49.42 | yabo | going live usb |
| 20:49.43 | sgrover | yabo: to send the data to the FR (like a new kernel), hold down the Aux button, then hit the power button till you see the boot menu. NOW run the dfu-utils tool. |
| 20:49.54 | yabo | that starts NOR |
| 20:49.55 | mwester | kicks whoever wrote that wiki page. |
| 20:50.00 | yabo | see now im confused again |
| 20:50.11 | mwester | sgrover: that's NOR. |
| 20:50.14 | mwester | Don't use NOR |
| 20:50.15 | undrwater | nand |
| 20:50.17 | mwester | NOR is eveil |
| 20:50.21 | yabo | okok going nand! |
| 20:50.23 | yabo | and live usb |
| 20:50.26 | undrwater | power for a few seconds...then alt |
| 20:50.26 | yabo | be back soon |
| 20:50.27 | mwester | NOR is for when you have trashed your FR's bootlaoder! |
| 20:50.50 | sicu | haha ... i've flashed my FR countless times .. but now you guys have confused me too |
| 20:50.57 | sgrover | mwester: AND when you want to run the dfu-util tool to update the kernel |
| 20:51.01 | sgrover | or rootfs |
| 20:51.07 | mwester | NO. |
| 20:51.08 | mwester | NO |
| 20:51.18 | wurp2|working | sgrover: Use NAND for that ;-) |
| 20:51.28 | sgrover | dfu-util will not talk to the FR unless it is in that boot menu.... at least that I've seen so far. |
| 20:51.48 | undrwater | dfu-util will talk to FR in NAND |
| 20:51.53 | mwester | Golly, then the several hundred reflashes I thought I've done on my FR haven't happened? |
| 20:52.03 | mwester | NOR is the failsafe. |
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| 20:52.29 | mwester | NOR cannot be changed, so it will be older (lackign features, maybe even having bugs!) compared to the real NAND u-boot. |
| 20:52.35 | sgrover | so how do you talk to the FR using the NAND then? what are the steps needed? |
| 20:52.45 | swc|666 | mwester NOR is eveil...lol |
| 20:52.47 | mwester | No different than NOR. |
| 20:52.52 | undrwater | same as NOR |
| 20:52.53 | sgrover | (only had mine for a few days, so still learning) |
| 20:53.02 | wurp2|working | mwester: Except how you get to the uboot menu ;-) |
| 20:53.27 | undrwater | sgrover: you might try unplugging, plugging usb cable if dfu-util doesn't find device while in NAND |
| 20:53.31 | wurp2|working | I think what sgrover is asking is how to get to NAND uboot menu |
| 20:54.07 | mwester | One of the current discussions on the kernel ML is turning on hardware ECC -- doing that requires a new uboot -- that would mean that you CANNOT reflash from NOR any longer. So clearly, from the designers themselves, they did not intend for people to use NOR to flash anythign other than a damaged NAND bootloader. |
| 20:54.07 | undrwater | wurp2|working: good call...what do you mean by "talk to" sgrover |
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| 20:54.24 | sicu | how do i erase the last 5 mins of conversation in here from my brain? .... i used to be comfortable flashing my FR ... now i'm confused |
| 20:54.36 | sgrover | setting up the FR so the dfu-util can talk to it in NAND. only instructions I have seen thus far is the aux/power combo.. |
| 20:54.55 | undrwater | sgrover: same combo then...just different order ;) |
| 20:55.01 | sgrover | huh? |
| 20:55.05 | mwester | It's really simple. Use NAND for everything, use NOR only when you've totally trashed even the NAND bootloader. That's all. |
| 20:55.08 | undrwater | power first for a few secs, then alt |
| 20:55.20 | wurp2|working | sgrover: hold power, then after ~1 sec press aux briefly |
| 20:55.30 | mwester | Hold power button, press alt button after about one second, NAND boot will come up. |
| 20:55.45 | mwester | (wurp2 beat me to that) |
| 20:55.47 | wurp2|working | sgrover: remembering of course that I don't have an FR; I'm just remembering what mwester said :-) |
| 20:55.48 | sgrover | I'll give that a shot after Debian finishes installing (again - third time's the charm?? :) ) |
| 20:56.34 | undrwater | sgrover: cool thing about nand is you can get in and change it's environment too...so boot multiple partitons |
| 20:56.43 | mwester | :) Yep. |
| 20:56.47 | sgrover | so if both result in the same thing... what difference does it make? I mean if the dfu-util is doing it's job, and the end result is the same..... |
| 20:56.54 | Wonka | just in case - how would one update the u-boot in NOR, if he wanted? (debug board is available) |
| 20:56.55 | mwester | And add custom menu items to do cool things from the bootloader. |
| 20:57.05 | wurp2|working | sgrover: Did you see the part where mwester said NOR doesn't get updated? |
| 20:57.23 | undrwater | might be buggy |
| 20:57.27 | sgrover | yep. But I'm only worried bout updating the kernel/rootfs... |
| 20:57.46 | wurp2|working | As the images change to use new uboot features or expose uboot bugs, NOR will no longer support the newer images |
| 20:58.02 | wurp2|working | sgrover: and that may fail with later kernel/rootfs images |
| 20:58.11 | Wonka | wurp2|working: that's why i'd like to update the u-boot in NOR from time to time |
| 20:58.15 | wurp2|working | if they expose a bug in the uboot version distributed with NOR |
| 20:58.26 | undrwater | so if you flash some kernel or rootfs...find a bug, report it, you'll be asked if you flashed from NOR or NAND...if NOR, you'll be asked to re-flash from NAND |
| 20:58.36 | wurp2|working | Wonka: but each time you do that you take a chance that you'll break your FR, no? |
| 20:58.42 | mwester | Wonka: just boot from NOR, then use dfu-util -- it will work fine. But the issue is that when you are forced to use NOR, it usually means that your NAND is totally munged, so you will probably need to do a lot of other stuff to "fix up" the NAND environment and all before you flash a new bootloader. Things like the bad-block information may even have been lost in the NAND, that would be bad and requires some steps to repair. |
| 20:59.31 | sgrover | NEW QUESTION: Can I use an SDHC card with the FR? I know SDHC doesn't work with my desktop.. |
| 20:59.48 | mjr | you can |
| 20:59.50 | Wonka | wurp2|working: i still have the u-boot in NAND, and also the debug board - so i could reflash the NOR until it was working |
| 20:59.56 | mwester | Wonka: but if something goes wrong when doing a NOR bootloader change -- you're back to using OpenOCD and JTAG -- really not fun at all, I'm told. |
| 21:00.02 | Wonka | sgrover: my 8gb microSDHC works |
| 21:00.16 | Wonka | mwester: happens. so what. |
| 21:00.19 | sgrover | Thanks. I can buy with confidence now.. :) |
| 21:00.33 | wurp2|working | Wonka: you have a jtag? |
| 21:00.40 | mwester | wants an SDHC card; that way he can put more images on the system. |
| 21:00.47 | Wonka | wurp2|working: i have a debug board. those do jtag, i'm told. |
| 21:01.03 | wurp2|working | Wonka: you might mention that when you're advocating burning your NOR :-) |
| 21:01.04 | sgrover | mwester: $20 cdn for a 4gb here.. :) |
| 21:01.11 | mwester | The old GTA01 debug board won't let you reflash the NOR, though. |
| 21:01.24 | Wonka | wurp2|working: »(debug board is available)« |
| 21:01.31 | mwester | sgrover: That's a good price - name brand? |
| 21:01.37 | sgrover | Kingston |
| 21:01.42 | mwester | Not bad... |
| 21:01.53 | wurp2|working | Wonka: er, yeah, I guess I should read your whole comment. |
| 21:01.58 | wurp2|working | :-) |
| 21:03.20 | mwester | I'm rather surprised by the lack of reports of bricked and destroyed FRs. Either folks are treating them carefully, or they're more resiliant than many other devices. |
| 21:03.30 | sgrover | so how come 2008.8 doesn't look near as good as 2007.2? Seems like 2007.2 was aimed at consumers, while 2008.8 is aimed at techies.... I'd think aiming the interface at consumers would result in more sales... |
| 21:03.50 | mwester | keeps his mouth firmly clamped shut on that topic. |
| 21:04.03 | sgrover | oh, is that a taboo topic here?? :) |
| 21:04.04 | undrwater | hehehh |
| 21:04.18 | undrwater | not taboo...just dead horse |
| 21:04.30 | undrwater | or maybe just painful |
| 21:04.36 | mwester | Both :( |
| 21:04.48 | mwester | R.I.P. 2007.2 |
| 21:04.52 | sgrover | understood. and meaningless in the long run.. it'll be replaced again in the (hopefully) not too distant future. |
| 21:04.54 | sicu | proudly presents his FR running 2007.2 ^^ |
| 21:05.15 | undrwater | i'm looking forward to running gentoo :P |
| 21:05.19 | sgrover | did a backup of the 2007.2 install before reflashing... just in case... |
| 21:05.26 | Wonka | btw, on ebay.com, i find 8GB microSDHC cards starting at 25.95 USD |
| 21:05.41 | Wonka | "buy it now", free shipping to USA |
| 21:07.24 | wurp2|working | Wonka: I've been seeing $30 prices from reputable web sites. I think I'll end up paying $40 at Radio Shack, to use up a gift card, though :-( |
| 21:07.53 | sgrover | the local vendor here has 8gb listed at $35.. still not bad... guess I'm getting 8gb rather than 4.. :) |
| 21:08.16 | wurp2|working | I've been holding off to get an 8gb for them to hit these prices |
| 21:08.36 | Wonka | aaargh. i want that display lock thingie from zhone, or maybe that from good old neod... |
| 21:08.46 | Wonka | but only that, as an extra script. |
| 21:09.09 | sgrover | spoke too soon - that was a miniSD, not micro... |
| 21:09.13 | Dave | Wonka! |
| 21:09.16 | Wonka | ind i don't know anything about edje and stuff, so i don't even understand how that stuff in zhone works |
| 21:09.20 | Wonka | Dave! |
| 21:09.27 | Dave | I bet the information I seek is probably on the wiki, or in logs. |
| 21:09.29 | Dave | :| |
| 21:09.39 | Dave | I was just hopeful that SOMEONE here would know... |
| 21:09.48 | Wonka | whut? |
| 21:09.48 | sicu | the force is strong with this one |
| 21:09.54 | sicu | DAVE |
| 21:10.00 | Dave | YES |
| 21:10.03 | Wonka | sicu: lol, that one just ran on tv here |
| 21:10.10 | sicu | =] |
| 21:10.10 | sgrover | Wonka: if you figure it out, let me know... I wanna make some changes to zhone.. |
| 21:10.11 | Dave | Wonka, where the SMS data is stored on 2007 |
| 21:10.17 | Dave | :D |
| 21:10.23 | Dave | I can't seem to find it on the phone. |
| 21:10.27 | sgrover | battery life would be nice... and/or wifi on/off indicator. |
| 21:10.43 | Wonka | Dave: no idea, sorry |
| 21:10.50 | Dave | Does ANYBODY know!? |
| 21:11.45 | wurp2|working | Dave: touch a file. Add a contact. find / -cnewer touchedFile |
| 21:11.57 | wurp2|working | wait 15 minutes |
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| 21:12.49 | Wonka | i'm running debian at the moment |
| 21:13.05 | mwester | is quite certain it's in ~/.ewhatever-that-directory-is -- because he remembers getting an SMS that crashed 2007.2, and kept crashing it until he found it in that subdir, and manually deleted it. |
| 21:13.05 | Dave | o_O |
| 21:13.13 | Wonka | and don't have a working sim i'd like to stick in the FR |
| 21:13.15 | Dave | wurp -_- |
| 21:13.33 | Dave | mwester the only directory like that is ~/.evolution/ and it's NOT in there |
| 21:13.35 | Wonka | activate wurp drive!!1! |
| 21:13.37 | Dave | all the other things are |
| 21:13.47 | Dave | but I have an assload of messages which apparently are stored elsewhere. |
| 21:13.49 | Dave | Weird. |
| 21:13.52 | wurp2|working | Dave: What I'm saying is, you're just not using a big enough hammer. |
| 21:14.00 | Dave | I don't want to bother searching the Messages src either :P |
| 21:14.04 | Dave | haha |
| 21:14.07 | Dave | smashy-smashy? :p |
| 21:14.18 | wurp2|working | cnewer is way easier than searching the messages src IMO |
| 21:14.18 | Dave | wurp drive? oh man, that's priceless. |
| 21:14.38 | wurp2|working | Wonka: I will have to remember that ;-) |
| 21:14.42 | Wonka | *g* |
| 21:15.06 | Wonka | wurp factor 2 |
| 21:15.14 | Wonka | energize! |
| 21:15.14 | Dave | ENGAGE! |
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| 21:15.18 | Dave | :D |
| 21:16.02 | wurp2|working | Dave: I was perfectly serious with the cnewer suggestion. Wouldn't that find it quicker & more easily than asking here? |
| 21:16.08 | mwester | Did you look on your SIM card? |
| 21:16.23 | Dave | :O |
| 21:16.25 | Dave | oh snap |
| 21:16.29 | Dave | no... I didn't ;D |
| 21:16.31 | wurp2|working | hah |
| 21:16.38 | wurp2|working | Sorry, laughing with you |
| 21:16.40 | Dave | I wonder... |
| 21:16.44 | wurp2|working | not @u |
| 21:16.47 | Dave | uh huh :P |
| 21:16.52 | Dave | sure you are, mr. sulu |
| 21:17.07 | Wonka | LOL |
| 21:17.25 | wurp2|working | I always wondered about Mr Sulu and his hairless shirtless fencing pose |
| 21:17.40 | wurp2|working | Now he's living happily with his husband in CA, and we don't have to wonder any more. |
| 21:17.41 | Wonka | rather thought about Wes Crusher at the helm... |
| 21:17.54 | wurp2|working | Wonka: Hey, don't rag on CleverNickname! |
| 21:18.15 | Wonka | *g* |
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| 21:18.29 | Dave | hah |
| 21:18.52 | Dave | husband? |
| 21:19.00 | wurp2|working | Dave: yep |
| 21:19.13 | wurp2|working | That's why we don't have to wonder. |
| 21:19.50 | Dave | o_O |
| 21:19.56 | Dave | oh... -_- |
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| 21:22.39 | undrwater | richleiu!! |
| 21:23.00 | wurp2|working | Dave: You know Wes Crusher is CleverNickname on /., yes? |
| 21:24.33 | wurp2|working | Well, was, I guess. Latest post in January. |
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| 21:24.50 | yabo | yay |
| 21:24.55 | yabo | it worked this time |
| 21:24.59 | Dave | No |
| 21:25.02 | yabo | no errors, and i got a new bootscreen |
| 21:25.05 | yabo | thanks alot for the help |
| 21:25.07 | mwester | :) |
| 21:25.08 | Dave | I was not aware of that. |
| 21:25.16 | Dave | Moreover, what is the significance of that? |
| 21:26.01 | undrwater | there went tim riker |
| 21:26.17 | Dave | he be round these here parts |
| 21:28.07 | wurp2|working | Dave: The only significance is if you're interested that an ex-star of Star Trek is now a geek & regular poster on /., I reckon. |
| 21:28.17 | yabo | so |
| 21:28.20 | yabo | in 2008.9 |
| 21:28.21 | *** join/#openmoko hari (n=hklein@i59F76C27.versanet.de) |
| 21:28.25 | yabo | when the screen is locked |
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| 21:28.29 | yabo | how do i unlock it? |
| 21:28.46 | undrwater | alt button |
| 21:28.54 | yabo | aux? |
| 21:29.01 | undrwater | ah..yes ;) |
| 21:29.10 | yabo | and then? |
| 21:29.15 | undrwater | should be it |
| 21:29.18 | yabo | do i hold it in or something? |
| 21:29.23 | yabo | just pushing it didnt work |
| 21:29.31 | undrwater | should have..IIRC |
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| 21:30.06 | yabo | iirc? |
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| 21:30.14 | sicu | mohahaha ... you're locked |
| 21:30.14 | undrwater | if i remember correctly |
| 21:30.40 | sicu | iirc = Iraqi Islamic Reconciliation Conference |
| 21:30.46 | undrwater | you should still be able to ssh |
| 21:30.49 | yabo | screen is really dark, but i can see it says LOCKED in black letters somewhere in the darkness |
| 21:31.02 | yabo | alright... but it would be sorta cool to use the stylus too :D |
| 21:31.05 | undrwater | did you try power button? |
| 21:31.11 | yabo | ye |
| 21:31.17 | undrwater | suspend work? |
| 21:31.31 | yabo | hm i turned it off... :-\ |
| 21:31.35 | yabo | lol they oughta fix this :P |
| 21:31.36 | Dave | you got suspended from work!? |
| 21:32.02 | wurp2|working | The best way to unlock it is to yank the battery. |
| 21:32.16 | yabo | haha :D |
| 21:32.37 | yabo | now |
| 21:32.43 | yabo | to open the backpanel.. |
| 21:34.10 | sicu | Dave: were the messages stored on the sim? |
| 21:34.17 | yabo | god damnit, I cant break up the backpanel :-R |
| 21:34.21 | Dave | I didn't check |
| 21:34.57 | Dave | How do I even check on the freerunner? |
| 21:35.11 | wurp2|working | Dave: which release? |
| 21:35.19 | Dave | two thousand seven |
| 21:35.33 | wurp2|working | Dave: libgsmd-tool -m atcmd |
| 21:35.37 | Dave | :o |
| 21:35.47 | wurp2|working | Then look up the commands to fish for sim entries on the wiki |
| 21:35.52 | hadara | AT+CMGL=4 |
| 21:35.56 | Dave | uggh |
| 21:36.06 | Dave | wiki wiki wiki |
| 21:36.06 | wurp2|working | There may be another way, but that's the only one I know to be sure they're on the sim |
| 21:36.15 | wurp2|working | Or just ask hadara |
| 21:36.22 | wurp2|working | He memorized all the AT commands. |
| 21:36.30 | Dave | oh, did he now? :D |
| 21:36.36 | hadara | nah, just debugging something related right now :-P |
| 21:36.43 | wurp2|working | :-) |
| 21:36.47 | Dave | oh, nevermind then! |
| 21:37.37 | Dave | OH |
| 21:37.46 | yabo | any tricks to getting the backpanel up? |
| 21:37.49 | yabo | this is impossible! |
| 21:38.18 | sgrover | yabo: backpanel? |
| 21:38.19 | Dave | why did you say -m atcmd instead of -m shell? |
| 21:38.51 | Dave | lul |
| 21:38.51 | yabo | yeah |
| 21:38.56 | Dave | I see that's still a bug :D |
| 21:38.58 | yabo | the cover on the back of the phone |
| 21:39.02 | yabo | covering the battery and all that |
| 21:39.07 | Dave | I get to the shell and sl segfaults |
| 21:39.11 | Dave | Wonderful. |
| 21:39.14 | wurp2|working | yabo: put a thumbnail, dime or guitar pick in the indention at the top of the phone |
| 21:39.18 | sgrover | lol... at the top of the phone is a little notch. pull on that. |
| 21:39.21 | wurp2|working | (where the gsm speaker is) |
| 21:39.33 | sgrover | if needed, use a coin - put into the notch and twist.. |
| 21:39.33 | slaxxin | lololol |
| 21:39.37 | wurp2|working | then twist the whatever-it-is-you-stuck-in-there |
| 21:40.11 | Dave | ;P |
| 21:40.14 | slaxxin | maybe somebody in china superglued it |
| 21:40.16 | Dave | don't get it stuck in there |
| 21:40.22 | yabo | pulling reeeeeeeally hard worked |
| 21:40.22 | Dave | the chinese have superglue? |
| 21:40.30 | yabo | they are super |
| 21:40.32 | sgrover | mine has been simple enough that I can just pull... |
| 21:40.37 | Dave | yabo, yeah, the first time is always the hardest |
| 21:40.42 | Dave | just ask my girl :P |
| 21:40.48 | wurp2|working | I have a cliphangar on mine |
| 21:40.49 | yabo | oh god |
| 21:40.55 | yabo | facedesks a hundred times :p |
| 21:41.01 | wurp2|working | Sometimes the back spontaneously falls off while I'm walking :-/ |
| 21:41.13 | yabo | wurp2|working |
| 21:41.22 | yabo | that sounds.. odd |
| 21:41.23 | wurp2|working | So I'm left with the back cliphung on my belt, and the innards lying on the ground around me |
| 21:41.29 | yabo | i had to pull reeeeeeeeally hard to get it off |
| 21:41.30 | slaxxin | he cracked the back cover |
| 21:41.37 | yabo | aw |
| 21:41.42 | wurp2|working | slaxxin: "he" who? |
| 21:42.00 | slaxxin | she he yabo |
| 21:42.17 | yabo | wait what |
| 21:42.21 | yabo | girls+ |
| 21:42.24 | yabo | ?! |
| 21:42.31 | wurp2|working | nah, no girls here |
| 21:42.38 | sicu | yabo: did you get the FR out of locked state? the test case they did for 2008.9 on this function passed, so should work fine (http://people.openmoko.org/openmoko/testing/Systemsoftware_Suspend&resume_Om2008.9.pdf) |
| 21:42.47 | wurp2|working | At least, none stupid enough to admit it. |
| 21:43.02 | wurp2|working | I'm sure some ass would give 'em grief if they did. |
| 21:43.04 | yabo | no, sicu. i had to hold the power-button and reboot |
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| 21:43.34 | wurp2|working | people.openmoko.org? How many subdomains do they need, anyway? |
| 21:44.12 | slaxxin | its where they hide the good stuff |
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| 21:44.45 | Dave | :D |
| 21:45.08 | Dave | hahahahaha |
| 21:45.13 | Dave | wurp, it's never enough, apparently |
| 21:45.54 | sicu | if 'good stuff' = a bunch of boring test cases and documents |
| 21:45.54 | sicu | wohoo |
| 21:45.54 | Dave | and hah, at your harlot of a freerunner... the bottom keeps falling down ;p |
| 21:45.55 | Dave | sicu :P |
| 21:46.29 | TAsn | i can't get gps to work with fso ;\ |
| 21:46.37 | Dave | many people can't seem to :P |
| 21:46.40 | yabo | so |
| 21:46.53 | Dave | yabo, is your head okay? |
| 21:46.57 | yabo | is there a place for us pythonpeople to... talk? |
| 21:47.09 | Dave | snakes! |
| 21:47.17 | yabo | us openmoko pythonpeople |
| 21:47.23 | Dave | hisses at yabo |
| 21:47.24 | yabo | yeah, i have a black tongue. |
| 21:47.26 | wurp2|working | yabo: Here, or openmoko-cdevel |
| 21:47.35 | yabo | alright |
| 21:47.38 | wurp2|working | yabo: Just ignore the C bigots :-) |
| 21:47.43 | yabo | :-D |
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| 21:48.17 | wurp2|working | Except mwester. We have to put up with his C bigotry 'cause he fixes the kernel for us. |
| 21:48.25 | Dave | I'm watching you, yabo! |
| 21:48.30 | Dave | haha |
| 21:48.30 | yabo | :-| |
| 21:48.32 | yabo | i wont bite anyone! |
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| 21:48.33 | yabo | promise |
| 21:48.36 | Dave | uh huh |
| 21:48.42 | Dave | mwester mwester |
| 21:48.42 | yabo | 2008.9 is really slow oØ |
| 21:48.49 | mwester | C bigot? No, no no -- I'm a PERL bigot!!! |
| 21:48.49 | Dave | dude of course it is |
| 21:48.55 | Dave | technically you're still stuck in the past! |
| 21:49.00 | Dave | mwester, use pearl; |
| 21:49.00 | wurp2|working | mwester: orly? |
| 21:49.15 | wurp2|working | I like perl, but only for one-off kind of stuff and <100 line scripts |
| 21:49.16 | mwester | No "use" anything -- bare Perl. |
| 21:49.31 | Dave | hah |
| 21:49.34 | Dave | needs more pearl |
| 21:49.35 | mwester | After all, Perl is "self-documenting" ;) |
| 21:49.40 | Dave | huzzah! |
| 21:49.44 | Dave | So you're a fan then, I take it? |
| 21:50.02 | yabo | in the software that was shipped with the phone |
| 21:50.06 | yabo | you could kill apps |
| 21:50.12 | yabo | how can i do that with 2008.9? |
| 21:50.23 | Dave | you have to write that part of the software in... apparently |
| 21:50.29 | wurp2|working | yabo: open terminal, ps | grep app name, kill <pid>? |
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| 21:50.41 | Dave | hahaha |
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| 21:50.49 | Dave | assycopters |
| 21:50.51 | wurp2|working | The terminal is my solution to everything |
| 21:51.14 | wurp2|working | terminal + OO perl |
| 21:51.24 | Dave | YAY |
| 21:51.27 | Dave | high-fives wurp |
| 21:51.31 | yabo | i dont like 2008.9.. |
| 21:51.38 | Dave | Let's solve the world's problems. |
| 21:51.57 | mwester | wonders if we should let yabo in on the secret. |
| 21:52.08 | Dave | :o |
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| 21:52.10 | wurp2|working | Hah, I will solve the middle east crisis... with a regular expression! |
| 21:52.11 | Dave | It's a trap! |
| 21:52.17 | yabo | whahahahaahahaha |
| 21:52.18 | Dave | awesome! |
| 21:52.20 | yabo | wurp2|working |
| 21:52.23 | yabo | mwiihihhihiihihih |
| 21:52.24 | wurp2|working | mwester: That the releases all suck? |
| 21:52.27 | yabo | fun :-D |
| 21:52.29 | Dave | Go team amazing! |
| 21:52.34 | rooly | sighs |
| 21:52.40 | sicu | so the FR has an Operating temperature range of: -20 ~ 75 °C ... i'm sure i'd be able to compose a textmessage with the wonderful 2008.9 keyboard in -20°C |
| 21:52.41 | mwester | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia |
| 21:52.50 | rooly | such a tradeoff... |
| 21:52.58 | yabo | so.. im installing qtopia? |
| 21:53.01 | wurp2|working | Yeah, the best of a bad lot |
| 21:53.04 | rooly | anyone have qtopia decide to just completely stop working? |
| 21:53.08 | mwester | No, but perhaps you might like to take a look at it. |
| 21:53.11 | yabo | alright |
| 21:53.12 | Dave | patches patches patches |
| 21:53.13 | wurp2|working | yabo: Only if you want to get & make calls on your phone consistently |
| 21:53.19 | Dave | rooly yep! |
| 21:53.19 | yabo | :D |
| 21:53.21 | sgrover | -20 celcius isn't bad. Wait til you get to -40, without a windchill... |
| 21:53.23 | rooly | and by stop working, i mean phone calls you can hear |
| 21:53.24 | wurp2|working | Or you could go back & install fso MS 1 :-/ |
| 21:53.28 | TAsn | wurp2|working, im from the middle east, i think regex can solve it, please give it a go. |
| 21:53.30 | Dave | oh |
| 21:53.30 | mwester | rooly: I'm astonished. Qtopia hasn't stopped working for me at all. |
| 21:53.41 | Dave | qtopia has failed me several times already |
| 21:53.41 | rooly | it just decided to no longer make noise |
| 21:53.46 | Dave | though about 3/4 of them were my fault :P |
| 21:53.55 | wurp2|working | TAsn: Yeah, because other US solutions are going so well... |
| 21:54.02 | dolf1074 | is an updated om2008.8 the same as a bloody new installed om2008.9 (mwester: you're right, just making point releases is better, than having to figure out what what is) |
| 21:54.02 | Dave | :p |
| 21:54.22 | mwester | TAsn: My wife is too. She tells me that there's a tale about a duck and a scorpion, and that regexs can't fix that. |
| 21:54.22 | TAsn | wurp2|working, i really think regex can work. |
| 21:54.23 | sicu | sgrover: hehe, i start shivering when it goes below +15, i wouldnt even hit the FR with my fingers, let alone pinpoint a letter |
| 21:54.38 | TAsn | mwester, your wife is from the middle east? |
| 21:54.42 | mwester | Ye |
| 21:54.43 | mwester | s |
| 21:54.44 | rooly | starts shivering at 40F |
| 21:54.46 | TAsn | where from? |
| 21:55.00 | rooly | around 5C |
| 21:55.02 | TAsn | mwester, regex can do probably everything |
| 21:55.10 | Dave | perldoc perlsex |
| 21:55.11 | Dave | oops |
| 21:55.17 | yabo | im going to boot linux and install qtopia |
| 21:55.18 | yabo | brb |
| 21:55.24 | mwester | TAsn: Jordan |
| 21:55.30 | Dave | starts the popcorn |
| 21:55.32 | TAsn | mwester, cool, been there once. |
| 21:55.34 | rooly | i wonder... |
| 21:55.36 | Dave | :O |
| 21:55.39 | Dave | NORSK |
| 21:55.44 | rooly | can the qtopia work off sim card? |
| 21:55.51 | TAsn | mwester, send her hi from the middle east ;] |
| 21:55.57 | sgrover | has to go.. :( will be back later. |
| 21:55.57 | sicu | norsk =] |
| 21:56.15 | TAsn | admits he would like to go back to england, or just go away ;] |
| 21:56.21 | TAsn | isn't into wars. |
| 21:56.22 | mwester | SIM card? Or do you mean SD card, rooly? |
| 21:56.26 | rooly | sd |
| 21:56.27 | rooly | my bad |
| 21:56.28 | Dave | sicu: Hestkuk! |
| 21:56.38 | mwester | Yes, Qtopia can work from SD card. |
| 21:56.45 | rooly | considers... |
| 21:56.50 | Dave | Mwester, but does it work FOR you? |
| 21:56.51 | Dave | ;) |
| 21:57.11 | wurp2|working | rooly: Just build a linux arm emulator in the crippled java that will run on your sim, then start cross compiling... |
| 21:57.16 | rooly | or does it do like spore in wine and do everything bass-ackwards |
| 21:57.24 | mwester | Dave: all my devices work FOR me. I am master of them all. (if they don't, they meet Mr. Ten-lb Sledge) |
| 21:57.32 | Dave | :D |
| 21:57.35 | Dave | only ten? |
| 21:57.38 | sicu | Dave: dave dave dave |
| 21:57.40 | Dave | well, I guess it's appropriate, anyway |
| 21:57.41 | mwester | That's all it takes. |
| 21:57.44 | Dave | ;D |
| 21:57.47 | Dave | unlike those ipods |
| 21:57.48 | Dave | :P |
| 21:57.57 | mwester | has a bunch of iPods too. |
| 21:58.21 | sicu | my FR has invisibleSHIELD .. the sledge would bounce right off |
| 21:58.28 | mwester | Broken ones, from my kids. So I fix 'em, and nobody want's em, because Apple's Marketing Machine has convinced them that they want the newer iPods anyway. |
| 21:58.57 | mwester | So the first repaired iPod got named "Poddy". |
| 21:59.05 | mwester | The second got named "Porda" |
| 21:59.20 | TAsn | why would anyone want an ipod from last year?! |
| 21:59.20 | wurp2|working | mwester: How old are your kids? |
| 21:59.33 | TAsn | ipod isn't a working device but just a fashion statement |
| 21:59.37 | mwester | College and last year of HS |
| 21:59.46 | wurp2|working | mwester: wow, I thought *I* was old. |
| 21:59.48 | rooly | ipod + linux is worthwhile tho |
| 21:59.57 | wurp2|working | ;-) |
| 21:59.59 | mwester | TAsn: Yep, I understand that now. I wish I did when I paid for the repair parts for the old ones ;) |
| 22:00.09 | TAsn | haha ;] |
| 22:00.13 | TAsn | ipod's generally suck. |
| 22:00.23 | TAsn | actually most of the music player suck. |
| 22:00.26 | TAsn | (if not all) |
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| 22:00.42 | mwester | But a separate phone and multimedia device makes a lot of sense to me. |
| 22:01.13 | TAsn | a multimedia device doesn't make that much of sense to me |
| 22:01.23 | TAsn | s/of// |
| 22:01.47 | TAsn | i just listen to people talk instead. |
| 22:02.07 | TAsn | or even better, read. (though usually while in a car/bus i get sick reading) |
| 22:02.28 | mwester | bbiab - gotta run |
| 22:02.29 | dolf1074 | Does anybody know if an updated 2008.8 is the same as a newly flashed 2008.9? |
| 22:04.29 | wurp2|working | Or if there's a good web browser for qtopia 4.3.2? |
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| 22:05.03 | dolf1074 | nope |
| 22:05.10 | dolf1074 | there will be one in 4.4 |
| 22:05.35 | undrwater | apparently |
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| 22:05.49 | dolf1074 | definitely |
| 22:06.00 | undrwater | dolf1074: you've got juice? |
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| 22:06.20 | dolf1074 | lpotter said it will contain a browser |
| 22:06.39 | dolf1074 | so I believe the person who makes the qtopia for the FreeRunner |
| 22:06.54 | TAsn | does anyone have the gtkrc they use here? |
| 22:06.55 | TAsn | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TangoGPS |
| 22:07.07 | lpotter | uses web browser on 4.4 neo... :) |
| 22:07.25 | undrwater | "soon" is here? |
| 22:07.29 | wurp2|working | lpotter: gimme! |
| 22:07.35 | sicu | meh .. showoff :p |
| 22:07.41 | dolf1074 | soon := few weeks |
| 22:08.52 | wurp2|working | lpotter: So, nothing available for 4.3.2? |
| 22:09.42 | undrwater | lpotter: and gps too? looking good? |
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| 22:12.17 | MichaelShiloh | anyone playing with 2008.9? |
| 22:12.36 | dolf1074 | not yet, but soon |
| 22:12.42 | Tig|_ | is that the 2008.8 updates one? |
| 22:13.13 | sicu | yabo was playing with it .. but he left |
| 22:13.25 | KenYoung | MichaelShiloh, I'm downloading 2008.9 right now. |
| 22:13.27 | dolf1074 | that is the new point release of om2008, that is release today |
| 22:14.04 | Tig|_ | hmm I will have a look |
| 22:14.35 | TAsn | what's this new splash? |
| 22:14.56 | dolf1074 | the first image that appear on the neo when it's bootin |
| 22:15.00 | Tig|_ | TAsn: I think they have updated the splash screen |
| 22:15.20 | dolf1074 | that yellow-orange image |
| 22:15.31 | TAsn | oh ;] |
| 22:15.31 | TAsn | cool. |
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| 22:15.39 | yabo | qtopia is up |
| 22:15.40 | TAsn | isn't that included in uboot\distro? |
| 22:15.43 | yabo | now then |
| 22:15.51 | yabo | it wont accept my pincode |
| 22:15.56 | dolf1074 | apparently (I didn't know either) |
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| 22:16.31 | Tig|_ | oops |
| 22:16.34 | sicu | yabo: it won't accept you input? or it's telling you it's wrong? |
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| 22:16.45 | yabo | well... it keeps asking for the code |
| 22:16.56 | yabo | until it finally told me gsm was unavailable |
| 22:17.06 | sicu | hmmm |
| 22:17.15 | yabo | soo... do i put my simcard into another phone and disable the pincheck before i start using it with the fr? |
| 22:17.27 | yabo | network registration denied |
| 22:17.31 | MichaelShiloh | KenYoung: i found gps worked right away, wifi accepted my password but doesn't seem to have connected yet. |
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| 22:17.59 | dolf1074 | btw. Do I need to flash the gta02 ones, or the ones with no device indication? |
| 22:18.17 | KenYoung | MichaelShiloh, I only had spotty success with WiFi on 2008.8. |
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| 22:19.43 | sicu | dolf1074: they're all the same (same md5) ... just shorter easier names i guess |
| 22:19.57 | dolf1074 | sicu:thanks |
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| 22:22.51 | Gnutoo | i have updated my bb file for wesnoth and updated wesnoth...i'm testing it and networking seems to work... |
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| 22:30.24 | CM | Gnutoo: Nice :) |
| 22:30.56 | Gnutoo | CM, i'm taking with oe guys for including it in oe... |
| 22:31.39 | sicu | do people still have problems with some microSD cards and the FR? |
| 22:33.15 | yabo | mwihi |
| 22:33.17 | yabo | the stylus is fun :- |
| 22:33.18 | yabo | R |
| 22:35.54 | Tig|_ | yabo: the stylus has one redeeming feature, kitty cats love to chase the red dot :) |
| 22:36.00 | yabo | :DD |
| 22:36.19 | Tig|_ | sadly it does not last that long |
| 22:36.30 | Tig|_ | I think I have burnt mine out |
| 22:37.05 | Tig|_ | replaced the batteries etc and it only lasts about 5 seconds |
| 22:37.25 | Gnutoo | quit works!!! |
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| 22:37.39 | yabo | gah |
| 22:37.51 | yabo | writing text-messages with qtopia is awful :O |
| 22:38.44 | Tig|_ | trolls and suggests the qtopia bit was not needed :) |
| 22:39.55 | dolf1074 | dolf1074 is thankful qtopia exists |
| 22:40.10 | TAsn | Tig|, actually as weird as it sounds, im comfortable with illume's terminal keyboard, i get the right key 90%+ of the time. |
| 22:40.13 | TAsn | which is cool. ;] |
| 22:40.54 | dolf1074 | I use dictionary with the normal keyboard delivered with om2008.8 and I'm also quit happy |
| 22:44.02 | yabo | cygwin |
| 22:44.05 | yabo | can you |
| 22:44.06 | yabo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 22:44.17 | yabo | i want the iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 22:44.17 | yabo | sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 22:44.17 | yabo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.26 | yabo | in windows |
| 22:45.52 | TAsn | yabo, i think, though not sure that it's called bridging in windows. |
| 22:45.55 | TAsn | cya and gn. |
| 22:46.13 | yabo | alright, thanks |
| 22:50.57 | KenYoung | Does anyone know how to completely prevent qpe from going on a CPU bound treasure hunt for media files after every reboot in 2008.8/9 ? |
| 22:51.42 | Gnutoo | is 2008.9 out? |
| 22:51.49 | Gnutoo | i do not see it in the topic... |
| 22:52.10 | KenYoung | Gnutoo, Yup. It's officially available now. |
| 22:53.08 | Gnutoo | KenYoung, ok...i must reinstall evrything? firefox,wesnoth,etc... |
| 22:53.27 | KenYoung | Gnutoo, Yup, I think so. |
| 22:54.01 | KenYoung | Gnutoo, Except if it's on the microSD, of course. |
| 22:55.56 | dolf1074 | +1 for the splash, whoever has made it |
| 23:10.06 | yabo | so |
| 23:10.08 | Gnutoo | what is strange is that there are some ticket that are still open...usually(correct me if i'm wrong) they release when there is no more tickets open http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/milestone/Om2008.9 |
| 23:10.46 | rwhitby | every piece of software has tickets open at release |
| 23:11.03 | Gnutoo | ah ok... |
| 23:11.14 | Gnutoo | so where should i found it? |
| 23:11.24 | KenYoung | Gnutoo, I suspect they figured they had made enough improvements to make a new release useful, and waiting for every ticket to close would deprive users of a software stack that was, on balance, better. |
| 23:11.30 | yabo | i just ran opkg update |
| 23:11.31 | mwester | chokes as he clamps his mouth shut and bites down on his tongue mmhNNNynn! NNNNHmmmmmM! |
| 23:11.38 | yabo | all i got was alot of errors |
| 23:11.39 | yabo | ? |
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| 23:14.42 | rwhitby | yabo: you followed the instructions in the release announcement, right? |
| 23:16.11 | yabo | ...no :-S |
| 23:16.21 | yabo | im reading the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
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| 23:18.22 | KenYoung | rwhitby, What instructions? The email doesn't seem to have any postinstallation steps. It points to the repository, listst the QA reports, has a link to the outstanding issues, but nothing about installation instructions that I saw. |
| 23:18.43 | yabo | pokes |
| 23:18.47 | yabo | so what do i do? |
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| 23:20.07 | rwhitby | uses his crystal ball to guess what errors yabo got ... |
| 23:20.13 | rwhitby | ~pastebin |
| 23:20.14 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
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| 23:23.41 | rwhitby | guesses that yabo is missing /etc/resolv.conf, since that's the most common opkg problem which OM should have fixed months ago ... |
| 23:23.49 | yabo | OH |
| 23:23.51 | yabo | right |
| 23:23.53 | yabo | forgot to set dns |
| 23:23.57 | yabo | silly me |
| 23:24.42 | rwhitby | note that pastebin'ing the opkg errors would have indicated this to anyone experienced in the channel, so not doing so dramatically reduced your chance of getting a helpful response |
| 23:24.46 | KenYoung | rwhitby, I've got resolve.conf fixed, I can contact externam sites, but I still can't install packages with opgk such as gpsd, now that I've installed 2008.9 . |
| 23:24.59 | yabo | im working on it :P |
| 23:25.13 | yabo | http://paste.rootmybox.org/index.php?show=565 |
| 23:25.14 | rwhitby | KenYoung: where are the feeds pointing to? |
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| 23:25.51 | rwhitby | guesses that OM hasn't run task-openmoko-feed for the 2008.9 feeds ... |
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| 23:26.51 | KenYoung | rwhitby, I don't know - is there an option I can pass to opkg which will have it tell me where it's trying to fetch the package from? Or is that not what you were asking? |
| 23:26.51 | mwester | just shakes his head sadly |
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| 23:27.52 | Kensan | Hi there |
| 23:28.33 | zedstar | openmoko on engadget again |
| 23:29.23 | rwhitby | KenYoung: cat /etc/opkg/*.conf |
| 23:29.23 | Kensan | I have a bitbake/recipe related question: can somebody tell me how I have to format the SRC_URI if I want to fetch a svn repos via http? |
| 23:29.23 | KenYoung | Oh, on the third try, opkg found and installed gpsd... |
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| 23:29.24 | rwhitby | ;proto=http on the end I think |
| 23:29.42 | Kensan | rwhitby: I tried that but it does not seem to work... |
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| 23:31.13 | rwhitby | Kensan: best to ask in #oe then |
| 23:31.35 | Kensan | rwhitby: ok thanks. |
| 23:31.40 | zedstar | kensan i know how to do it for cvs so i guess similar accept prefix is svn |
| 23:32.11 | zedstar | SRC_URI = "cvs://anonymous@cvs.projects.openmoko.org/cvsroot/..... |
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| 23:32.19 | rwhitby | Kensan: http://bec-systems.com/oe/html/src_uri_variable.html |
| 23:34.12 | Kensan | thanks for the help. As I suspected, I messed up the "module=.." part so it could not find the path. shame on me |
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| 23:37.16 | paulproteus | My fresh flash of 2008.9 doesn't seem to find GSM, and on reboot, it just hangs in the new splash screen. |
| 23:37.48 | paulproteus | What are people using on their phones? |
| 23:38.01 | KenYoung | paulproteus, THe first reboot is often unusually slow - how long has it been stalled? |
| 23:38.16 | mjr | mostly cocaine and other snortables |
| 23:38.19 | KenYoung | (first boot after reflashing rootfs) |
| 23:38.21 | rwhitby | fso-testing |
| 23:38.22 | mjr | oh you meant software? |
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| 23:39.17 | paulproteus | The first boot after the flash was fine. |
| 23:39.25 | paulproteus | I launched some Qtopia apps, albeit slowly. |
| 23:39.27 | paulproteus | It's the next boot that's hanging. |
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| 23:39.37 | rwhitby | waits for directory to be known as partition |
| 23:39.38 | paulproteus | It's been about 10 minutes, maybe 30? |
| 23:39.41 | paulproteus | I haven't been keeping track. |
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| 23:39.57 | paulproteus | rwhitby, How are you liking fso-testing? |
| 23:40.06 | KenYoung | paulproteus, I have not seen that behavior - I installed 2008.9, and many reboots afterwar gone normally.ds have |
| 23:40.18 | paulproteus | KenYoung, I could try erasing the rootfs and re-flashing it. |
| 23:40.33 | rwhitby | partition: disk, san, internet? |
| 23:40.43 | partition | moo |
| 23:41.01 | KenYoung | paulproteus, Have you checked the md5sums? |
| 23:41.04 | paulproteus | I have a vague feeling I'd prefer FSO since it's more The Future, but all my other phones have failed so I actually want to be fairly sure that (even if I have keep it charged) I can put something on my Neo that'll work moderately well as a phone. |
| 23:41.10 | paulproteus | KenYoung, Will do so now. |
| 23:41.20 | KenYoung | paulproteus, Perhaps your download wasn't complete. |
| 23:41.21 | ceda | anyone FSO-ish here? :) I get modprobe: FATAL: error inserting ppp_mppe |
| 23:41.59 | rwhitby | ceda: what's the error message in dmesg? |
| 23:42.08 | paulproteus | md5sum -c md5sums says it's okay. |
| 23:42.08 | ceda | I just filed http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/149 since I can't get GPRS to work the same it did with FSO M2 |
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| 23:42.40 | ceda | rwhitby: uhm, logread in trac will do I hope? |
| 23:42.55 | rwhitby | ceda: thx |
| 23:43.01 | ceda | I just flashed FSO M2 back to prove (to myself) that I can get it to work |
| 23:43.11 | paulproteus | Maybe I'll just try fso-testing. rwhitby or others: is http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/ canonical and reasonable to use? |
| 23:43.24 | ceda | rwhitby: your welcome. Please tell me if there's anything I can do (test) to help out |
| 23:44.26 | ceda | rwhitby: thanks for your attention. I hope you can reproduce it and have mickey fix it ;) |
| 23:44.41 | rwhitby | paulproteus: I'm testing that image now on gta01, it should be ok to use |
| 23:44.57 | paulproteus | Do you have an 02, out of curiosity? |
| 23:45.00 | paulproteus | And what is it like on GTA01? |
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| 23:45.27 | rwhitby | I have a broken gta02, and it works the same on 01 as 02, since fso has been careful to continue gta01 support |
| 23:45.41 | paulproteus | Cool. |
| 23:45.46 | paulproteus | Er, which is the JFFS to download to flash for GTA02? |
| 23:45.50 | paulproteus | There are a few JFFSs. |
| 23:46.02 | rwhitby | there should be only one with gta02 in the name |
| 23:46.17 | rwhitby | ah, choose the .summaru |
| 23:46.47 | paulproteus | Okay. |
| 23:46.48 | rwhitby | either would work, the .summary is just faster to boot |
| 23:47.16 | paulproteus | Okay. |
| 23:47.50 | rwhitby | paulproteus: note that I don't use the gta as a phone usually, (since it doesn't come close to treo650 useability) so take my recommendation with a grain of salt. |
| 23:47.52 | paulproteus | On GTA01, I got the sense after a while that power management would be hopeless on that hardware. |
| 23:48.04 | paulproteus | nods re: salt |
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| 23:48.25 | paulproteus | What is your power management experience on GTA01? |
| 23:48.34 | rwhitby | dunno, it's usually plugged in |
| 23:48.55 | paulproteus | Okay. |
| 23:52.48 | ceda | rwhitby: is there any point in me trying gprs with the "official" M3 release? |
| 23:53.54 | ceda | or will I just be one step closer to wearing my flash memory out (rendering the phone totally useless) |
| 23:54.59 | daMaestro | Dave, http://www.beatportal.com/uploads/news/1221624941_Sandwich.jpg (thanks for the sandwich) |
| 23:54.59 | daMaestro | lol |
| 23:55.54 | paulproteus | daMaestro, What the heck is that? |
| 23:56.20 | daMaestro | paulproteus, the sandwich that Dave got me. he knows i like sandwiches (if you log this channel, you'll get the joke) |
| 23:56.57 | paulproteus | <Bish> holy *** on a sandwich |
| 23:57.08 | paulproteus | Guess I don't read it enough! |
