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| 00:04.40 | Toaster` | Is it possible to get a settings screen in FSO MS3 similar to 2008.8? specifically to control gps, wifi, etc? Or is that still pending? |
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| 00:44.05 | Yashy | # opkg update |
| 00:44.05 | Yashy | Collected errors: |
| 00:44.05 | Yashy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:48.03 | Dave | nice |
| 00:48.10 | Dave | yashy, killall packagekitd |
| 00:48.26 | Dave | You must be using 2008.8 :P |
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| 01:14.07 | Dave | f |
| 01:14.48 | Dave | g |
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| 01:29.19 | fuzzyt | Hey all, is there a lightweight email app that will run on the debian install? |
| 01:33.03 | fuzzyt | Hmm, busy night. :) anybody? |
| 01:33.46 | arquebus | fuzzyt: how light weight do you want to go? |
| 01:34.13 | fuzzyt | would like it to run in x |
| 01:34.21 | fuzzyt | icedove isn't avail |
| 01:34.47 | arquebus | hm, dont know |
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| 01:44.42 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.47 | slaxxer | im in |
| 01:47.41 | slaxxer | from pidgin on freerunner |
| 01:49.17 | slaxxin | well |
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| 02:01.42 | slaxxer1 | 8-) |
| 02:02.34 | shaz | hi |
| 02:03.25 | slaxxer1 | wassa |
| 02:03.49 | rooly | wooo |
| 02:03.53 | rooly | is happy |
| 02:04.18 | ShellEvil | is sleepy |
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| 02:12.35 | slaxxin | fgbsdfvbadv |
| 02:13.22 | shaz | ?! |
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| 02:15.46 | tkep | hey, is anyone here fairly knowledgeable about at&t US plans |
| 02:18.46 | tkep | anyone? |
| 02:18.49 | slaxxin | i wanna know about tmobiles plans |
| 02:19.28 | tkep | slaxxin, i just got out of tmobile |
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| 02:19.48 | tkep | we were on suncom and they were bought out by tmobile |
| 02:19.55 | tkep | and tmobile has given us nothing but grief |
| 02:20.11 | tkep | they no nothing about their own plans |
| 02:20.21 | tkep | i never got a straight answer |
| 02:20.31 | torindel | yawns |
| 02:20.50 | RayDar | Eons ago I was with a small local ISP that was bought by Earthlink -- who then gave me nothing but grief. I have vowed never to use Earthlink because of it. |
| 02:21.10 | tkep | RayDar, sounds exactly like what happened |
| 02:21.18 | tkep | i was so pleased with suncom |
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| 02:22.30 | RayDar | tkep: It was painful for me but I finally managed to find a suitable replacement. I haven't ever looked back -- except to notice Earthlink ads and be disgusted. |
| 02:22.57 | RayDar | waits paitently for KDE 4.1 to be in the main Gentoo repository |
| 02:23.07 | tkep | so i guess no one has dealt with getting gprs connectivity with at&t and what their plans are like? |
| 02:23.50 | torindel | RayDar: why not e17? ;] |
| 02:24.03 | RayDar | tkep: I just got AT&T prepaid and I am using their $20/month unlimited GPRS. It works wonderfully. |
| 02:24.06 | Toaster` | hrm, trying to install zoneinfo and I'm getting an error code of 2... |
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| 02:24.38 | tkep | RayDar, well, here's the deal. My wife and I just got a family plan with 2 palm centros |
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| 02:24.49 | tkep | I obviously didn't need a new phone, my freerunner will work just fine |
| 02:24.55 | tkep | but hell, it's a free palm |
| 02:25.36 | RayDar | tkep: I'll take one of those Centros off your hands if you don't want them. |
| 02:26.14 | tkep | so, my question is this: I currently have no data plan...and at&t right now wants me to get their "pda" data package |
| 02:26.27 | tkep | which i am pretty sure is just edge/3g with nothing special |
| 02:26.54 | tkep | if i call up and say "hey, i just want standard grps, i am not using the palm, can you do that for me?" will they do it? |
| 02:26.57 | tkep | that's my biggest deal |
| 02:27.19 | tkep | and RayDar, I'd sell it cheap, but my mom needs a new phone after dropping her nokia. and she has at&t |
| 02:28.12 | torindel | tkep: "you shitty palm broke and i'm useing something that have gprs only" |
| 02:28.16 | torindel | >_> |
| 02:28.23 | tkep | does anyone else have issues connecting to the freerunner (ssh over usb) after updating with the angstrom repos? |
| 02:28.29 | RayDar | tkep: If "Media Net" is available for your plan, just add that to your service. Unlimited is $20 and they have limited versions that are cheaper. |
| 02:28.38 | tkep | torindel, i like the way you think |
| 02:28.50 | tkep | RayDar, so is "media net" not some limited, pos service? |
| 02:28.57 | tkep | because i can add that to my phone right now |
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| 02:30.10 | RayDar | tkep: The $20 Media Net is unlimited 3G data -- however I have read that some people think AT&T's 3G is slower than it should be. |
| 02:30.35 | tkep | RayDar, doesn't matter, the freerunner is slow as balls online anyway |
| 02:30.39 | tkep | wouldn't see 3g speeds |
| 02:30.45 | RayDar | tkep: And all the ports are available. You are directly on the Internet with the MediaNet. |
| 02:30.56 | tkep | even the palm is just edge |
| 02:31.06 | tkep | RayDar, awesome |
| 02:31.09 | tkep | adding it as we speak |
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| 02:32.41 | tkep | thanks RayDar, that's what i needed to know |
| 02:33.09 | tkep | now, does anyone else have problems connecting over usb/ssh after updating from angstrom repo? |
| 02:33.54 | RayDar | watches them sway and thinks "I guess balls really are slow." |
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| 02:44.19 | sgrover | Help? I'm stuck installing Debian. It's installed but refusing to boot from the microSD. So I flashed the uboot to the latest (no joy), and am trying to get the script running that is mentioned on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner under "Adjusting your uBoot Environment" |
| 02:45.21 | sgrover | Problem is, it doesn't say if that should be run on the freerunner, or the PC. Regardless I keep getting an error : line 78: dfu-util: command not found |
| 02:45.34 | sgrover | but I have the dfu-util in the same directory. |
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| 02:56.03 | Pyrasi | sgrover: run it on your PC and put dfu-util in /usr/bin ;) |
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| 02:59.54 | sgrover | Pyrasi: thanks. I arrived at that conclusion myself.. :) But now when I run the script I get this: line 91: uboot-envedit: command not found |
| 03:00.19 | sgrover | On a kubuntu desktop, where do I get the pkg-fso package? it's not in my repositories... |
| 03:00.29 | sgrover | I suspect that is what this error is referring to. |
| 03:05.40 | Pyrasi | oh |
| 03:05.54 | Pyrasi | uhhh |
| 03:06.00 | sgrover | yep. got it. |
| 03:06.19 | Pyrasi | i was about to say...i think the link was on the page |
| 03:06.26 | Pyrasi | the Debian on freerunner page |
| 03:06.52 | sgrover | just for completeness... if you go to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Zhone and grab the first two repositories listed there, add them to your /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
| 03:07.21 | sgrover | then do an apt-get install pkg-fso-keyring (not sure this is needed) |
| 03:07.30 | sgrover | then do apt-get install fso-utils |
| 03:07.36 | sgrover | NOW the script runs right. |
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| 03:21.39 | Toaster` | ok, that was funky |
| 03:26.50 | Toaster` | I received a call on my FR (FSO MS3) from my landline, and the call wouldn't accept, not cancel once I hung up the land line |
| 03:27.32 | Toaster` | though that may have been because zhone wasn't the active app |
| 03:27.47 | Toaster` | with zhone active it seems to act better |
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| 03:28.26 | rooly | it would be nice of the FR could recognize numbers automatically, be they in 7, 10, 11, or whatever digit form |
| 03:32.09 | SpeedEvil | 'Number is prime!' |
| 03:32.16 | SpeedEvil | 'Number is Numberwang!' |
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| 03:33.46 | RayDar | Hi Toaster. Are you fatfree? |
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| 03:34.33 | Toaster` | ? |
| 03:37.28 | tkep | SpeedEvil++ |
| 03:37.33 | tkep | haha, i laughed |
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| 03:53.46 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4653 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/s3c-spi-stray-irq.patch: |
| 03:53.46 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Make spi_s3c24xx.c absorb an initial stray interrupt without unleashing |
| 03:53.46 | CIA-22 | openmoko: chaos and mayhem. |
| 03:58.24 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4654 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/ (gta02-mmc-spi-bitbang.patch series): |
| 03:58.24 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - gta02-mmc-spi-bitbang.patch: lower SPI clock from 25MHz to 1MHz to ease |
| 03:58.24 | CIA-22 | openmoko: glitch removal |
| 03:58.24 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - series: added s3c-spi-stray-irq.patch (new) and hack-silence-battery.patch |
| 03:58.25 | CIA-22 | openmoko: (which I forgot to add to series earlier) |
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| 04:02.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03jeremy 07org.openmoko.dev * r67d4d6032ef4 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] bump up to a0de11f295c6d2fd1e567205f853c9b994b2a306 |
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| 04:19.24 | slaxxer | waszA |
| 04:20.29 | slaxxer | pixdilgiinn works in aA pinch |
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| 04:21.53 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.19 | slaxxer | ? |
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| 04:35.27 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03jeremy 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r395621266b96 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] bump up to a0de11f295c6d2fd1e567205f853c9b994b2a306 |
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| 05:00.59 | kelvie | where's the ringtone located in 2008.8? |
| 05:01.24 | kelvie | and my freerunner slept for 14 hours today with only one bar down :O |
| 05:01.26 | kelvie | using FDOM |
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| 05:02.19 | weirdedout | trying to download http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/openmoko-mediaplayer-theme.tar.bz2 for the last couple of days but the domain name doesn't resolve. Anyone got an alternative link? |
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| 05:03.37 | weirdedout | or an alternative media player that works well with both mp3 and ogg? |
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| 05:05.53 | kelvie | weirdedout: not a graphical one, but mplayer works |
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| 05:09.55 | weirdedout | thank kelvie. Yes I saw mplayer in the repository and I'm considering installing it. However I would prefer a good GUI player. |
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| 05:22.37 | weirdedout | Found it http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/1012/openmoko-mediaplayer-theme.tar.bz2 |
| 05:22.53 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4655 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/lib/ (decode.py dxplore.py scope.py): (log message trimmed) |
| 05:22.53 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Highlights: |
| 05:22.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - finally realized that the troubles with the Rigol's horizontal system are |
| 05:22.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: caused by rounding errors in the scope's firmware |
| 05:22.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - added dxplore status display with window size, sample stop, and zoom factor |
| 05:22.57 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Details: |
| 05:22.59 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - lib/scope.py (horizontal.__init__): the Rigol DS1000C rounds :TIM:SCAL 0.0005 |
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| 05:24.13 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4656 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/vds/vds.py: Updated vds.py for the higher data rates of native SPI. |
| 05:25.18 | weirdedout | kelvie, how does FDOM compare with the other distros you've tried. Most importantly, how does the call quality compare? |
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| 05:27.50 | kelvie | weirdedout: I actually use it as a phone daily |
| 05:27.54 | kelvie | and gps and all that |
| 05:28.00 | kelvie | call quality hasn't been an issue |
| 05:28.21 | weirdedout | okay, no echos on the other end? |
| 05:28.26 | sgrover | got Debian running on the FR. Now, do I look for wireless how-to's on the FR side, or on the Debian side of things? |
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| 05:28.28 | kelvie | not sure, haven't heard anyone complain yet :) |
| 05:28.39 | kelvie | wireless is still a big pain to connect to though |
| 05:28.53 | sgrover | weirdedout: did a call with it today. quality was fine, but volume was a little low - both sending/receiving |
| 05:28.55 | kelvie | it's on and off.. it takes a bit of wpa_cli commands, and a lot of luck to get a response from the dhcp server |
| 05:29.15 | kelvie | sgrover: I've heard that it's quiet sending sometimes, but I've never had a problem with the receiving volume |
| 05:29.33 | weirdedout | thanks |
| 05:29.49 | kelvie | the only real fix I applied was the one to make it so that suspend/resume doesn't wipe the sd card partition |
| 05:30.06 | weirdedout | agrover. I ran it with debian for a while. You will need to use wpa_supplicant and ifup/ifdown to use wireless. |
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| 05:31.11 | weirdedout | agrover. I had issues with zhone on Debian and was unable to use it for phone calls at all. I hope you have better luck with it. |
| 05:32.18 | sgrover | so far so good. |
| 05:33.01 | sgrover | though now I'm trying to figure out how to view stats - wireless, battery, etc. or enable wireless/bluetooth/gps |
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| 05:36.23 | weirdedout | GPS worked well for me. I installed gpsd and tangogps. Wireless worked ok out of the box. I couldn't get the battery indicator to work and didn't try bluetooth. |
| 05:36.48 | weirdedout | You might want to consider installing XFCE4 or fluxbox. |
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| 05:38.49 | sgrover | weirdedout: when you say wireless worked out of the box, do you mean with the 2007.2 image? |
| 05:39.05 | sgrover | I tried with 2007.2, and 2008.8. Neither would connect to my ap. |
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| 05:40.54 | weirdedout | No, I meant with debian. |
| 05:41.16 | weirdedout | through the command line. |
| 05:41.29 | sgrover | k. was gonna ask if I mised something on the interface... |
| 05:41.45 | sgrover | I'll need to learn how to connect to wpa from cli (again) |
| 05:41.50 | sgrover | off to google I go. |
| 05:41.50 | weirdedout | np |
| 05:41.58 | weirdedout | enjoy |
| 05:42.27 | sgrover | OT (kinda): Anyone else have their USB controller stop working outright shortly after plugging in the FR ?? |
| 05:42.52 | sgrover | my motherboard seems to have blown the controller, and the only recent change was the introduction of the FR. |
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| 05:52.48 | sgrover | (re the USB controller - I've had another Asus MB blow it's controller this year, so I think it's just the MB. Just odd that it happened within a day of plugging in the FR.) |
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| 06:27.10 | sgrover | is there a decent gui interface for wireless on the Debian install? |
| 06:27.38 | sgrover | I have wireless running (I think) via command line. But can't guarantee I'll always have my laptop with me to reconfigure wireless... |
| 06:28.01 | sgrover | or even to reset the wireless card (to hopefully detect new networks) |
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| 06:41.17 | Kraften | Hi all, I've connected my fr through USB and I can ping IP-addresses (eg. 81.19.246.12) but no name addresses (like www.google.com). So what have I missed during setup? |
| 06:42.37 | rwhitby | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 06:46.55 | Kraften | rwhitby> Yeah It was empty...my bad ;-) Now I've put "nameserver 208.67.222.222" into it and now it works:-) thx |
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| 06:47.55 | rwhitby | Kraften: I put 'up echo "nameserver www.xxx.yyy.zzz" > /etc/resolv.conf' in my /etc/network/interfaces on the neo |
| 06:48.01 | rwhitby | then you get it back on reboot |
| 06:49.10 | beni_ | raster: ping |
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| 07:19.24 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:20.37 | mattington | morning? it's 3 in the afternoon >_< |
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| 07:27.15 | data_jepp | Not in Norway anyway :p |
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| 08:23.12 | edistar | raster: ping |
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| 08:25.39 | raster | joh |
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| 08:43.20 | datenmaulwurf | raster: are you around? |
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| 08:45.51 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * r78772850cd32 10/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 08:45.51 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Included patches from quickdev and Andrease. Thanks to you both ! |
| 08:45.51 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: These patches do the following : |
| 08:45.51 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: - Update of the Call specs. |
| 08:45.51 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: - Fix of segfault for misplaced free(). |
| 08:45.55 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: - Fix of a typo for release/released |
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| 08:51.01 | raster | datenmaulwurf: ja? |
| 08:51.04 | raster | i'm here |
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| 08:58.25 | datenmaulwurf | raster: queried you |
| 09:06.53 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r0e7b5cc0c0e2 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [connman] Upgrade connman to latest revision. |
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| 09:11.25 | ieatlint | ok, i concede my previous statement... i finally found a map, and china is on it |
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| 09:25.24 | beni_ | anyone got suspend working on 2008.8 with update of today? |
| 09:25.28 | beni_ | my fr still does not wake up. :/ |
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| 09:32.57 | datenmaulwurf | raster: ping |
| 09:33.48 | raster | datenmaulwurf: sorry - visitors here. cant do anythng now |
| 09:34.17 | raster | but a quick look at your stuff says "no idea - some autofoo stuff on your end" |
| 09:34.39 | raster | "works for me" |
| 09:34.47 | raster | "works for openembedded" |
| 09:35.00 | raster | so all i can imaginer is something is up with your autofoo setup |
| 09:35.07 | raster | what - i don't know |
| 09:36.04 | datenmaulwurf | raster: hmm |
| 09:36.05 | datenmaulwurf | too bad |
| 09:36.15 | lichtgestalt | i got a (hopefully) quick question: I'm looking for pyQt for 2008.8 - is there any repo or something? |
| 09:38.31 | lichtgestalt | no one any idea where i could find it? |
| 09:40.13 | sgrover | Following the guide at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain. The step where you run om-conf openmoko-sample2. I'm getting an error that libmokoui2 and gconf2 are not being found. but they ARE installed... (ubuntu 8.04 system). Any tips? |
| 09:40.50 | sgrover | (sry for the OT, but #openmoko-cdevel is rather dead right now... ) |
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| 11:51.00 | soundar | curl library for croos copiling.. |
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| 11:54.43 | isprins | http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3097595.0 |
| 11:56.25 | beni_ | does someone know how freerunner sees that a wall charger is inserted? |
| 11:56.40 | zedstar | soundar curl is part of OE so should be no problem |
| 11:58.15 | soundar | when i try to cross compile my app to arm it said no curl lib available.. |
| 12:00.12 | dns53 | libcurl seems avalable in opkg |
| 12:01.31 | zedstar | soundar if u have dependencies to compile u might want to look into using OE and just specify them in the bitbake recipe and it will handle it for u |
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| 12:07.13 | isprins | is it possible to use a freerunner like a automobile navigation system? |
| 12:07.38 | ShellEvil | Yes. |
| 12:07.55 | ShellEvil | It won't do routing really well with any of the existing apps/databases. |
| 12:08.04 | ShellEvil | But moving map/tangogps works well. |
| 12:08.09 | dolf1074 | there is gps, there is gps application (tangogps), but you can't set a direction and you get the road |
| 12:08.35 | isprins | hmmm.. what about the software that tomtom runs ? |
| 12:08.47 | ShellEvil | Ask tomtom. |
| 12:08.57 | ShellEvil | It should be fairly easy for them to port it. |
| 12:09.00 | ShellEvil | They haven't though. |
| 12:09.06 | dns53 | navit works, though it seems to crash when you try and enter a destination |
| 12:09.29 | isprins | what about opentom? |
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| 12:13.22 | Daramarak | Anyone here that has ordered OpenMoko from Belgium, and received their goods? Can anyone recommend them? |
| 12:14.32 | isprins | http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=rds-tmc this should work over wifi... if anyone cares to implement it |
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| 12:19.22 | Dave | Holy memory leaks batman! |
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| 12:19.58 | dolf1074 | Daramarak: yup, I've got him here |
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| 12:20.57 | Dave | Tig! |
| 12:21.11 | Tig| | 'ello Dave |
| 12:21.20 | Dave | Bouncy bouncy :) |
| 12:21.36 | Tig| | just flashed to the latest FSO image and the damn thing will not connect to dbus :( |
| 12:21.45 | Dave | oh shit :P |
| 12:21.47 | Tig| | on its third reboot |
| 12:21.58 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * rc05c0282fbb0 10/src/frameworkd-glib-device.c: Applied auto-fix patch from quickdev, thanks again. |
| 12:22.00 | Tig| | this is off the buildhost not the milestone image |
| 12:22.07 | Dave | o.O |
| 12:22.13 | Dave | oh, you mean the daily build? |
| 12:22.16 | Tig| | I just wished the thing would reboot faster :) |
| 12:22.17 | Dave | AINULINDALE |
| 12:22.21 | Ainulindale | What ? |
| 12:22.37 | Dave | Hello, and thank you for your software efforts :) |
| 12:22.46 | Dave | Tig, yeah |
| 12:22.51 | Ainulindale | You're welcome |
| 12:23.03 | Tig| | from here: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/ |
| 12:23.04 | Dave | My 2007.2 image takes on average six minutes to reboot |
| 12:23.41 | Dave | Ainulindale: I don't know who did them but I've noticed that the Contacts and Messages program on OM are super slow, and possibly leaky |
| 12:24.11 | |FiLiP| | Daramarak: I've ordered ine trough Pulster, took a bit longer than I expected but I'm using it now |
| 12:24.19 | Ainulindale | Dave: They are, yes |
| 12:24.31 | Dave | one of the major flaws is it wants to preload EVERYTHING, which is a terrible idea |
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| 12:24.46 | Dave | Also, it appears to halt the phone if you have a certain number of messages stored |
| 12:24.57 | Dave | I guess it just can't handle that many loaded at once? |
| 12:25.14 | Dave | Clearly there are other usability flaws as well between the two applications, but :x |
| 12:25.40 | Ainulindale | Dave: The way it has been conceived is pretty weird indeed |
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| 12:25.44 | Dave | Why there isn't an Archive feature, I have no clue. |
| 12:25.51 | Dave | Ainulindale :) |
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| 12:26.08 | Ainulindale | Things like GSM handling meddles with UI stuff and so on |
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| 12:26.18 | Ainulindale | But it will change with SHR, if people can wake up :-) |
| 12:26.24 | Dave | hehe |
| 12:26.31 | Dave | When if ever that'll happen, I don't know :) |
| 12:27.12 | Dave | I wonder if there's even a way to "save" the messages already stored on this phone :[ |
| 12:27.22 | Dave | I don't want to lose some of the message history :\ |
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| 12:28.08 | Tig| | meh going to reflash with yesterdays image |
| 12:28.17 | Tig| | should only take a few hours :P |
| 12:28.20 | Ainulindale | Dave: on 2007.2 yes |
| 12:28.21 | Ainulindale | thereis |
| 12:28.25 | Ainulindale | +" " |
| 12:28.27 | Dave | oh snap |
| 12:28.31 | Ainulindale | Just copy your eds directory |
| 12:28.37 | Dave | hah!, okay :) |
| 12:29.14 | Dave | Ainulindale, I'm thinking I should really be using qtopia for my messaging. |
| 12:29.42 | Tig| | yuk |
| 12:29.46 | Dave | Though, ironically, my 2007.2 phone still has the most features that I use on a daily basis, and having to carry two of them around is kind of silly. |
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| 12:31.40 | Dave | an interesting quirk about the freerunner is I like how I don't necessarily need a ringtone of any sort, since right before I am about to receive a call/message the guy's speakers next to me begin to crackle, or some other form of electronic equipment fluxuates or experiences feedback :P |
| 12:32.03 | OdyX | as with any phone near audio lines... |
| 12:32.04 | Dave | whee. This is nothing new of course, but still somewhat amusing. |
| 12:32.09 | OdyX | true. |
| 12:32.29 | Dave | OdyX, yeah, except the freerunner seems to have deleterious effects on large pieces of electronic equipment :p |
| 12:32.44 | OdyX | kaboom ! |
| 12:32.47 | Dave | SERIOUSLY |
| 12:33.12 | Dave | dude, it made one of the CRT tubes snap crackle pop in my office monitor once :p |
| 12:33.22 | Dave | that wasn't cool :\ |
| 12:33.26 | Dave | the display got all fucked up |
| 12:33.46 | Dave | also taking my freerunner into my electronics laboratory was hilariously bad, last week |
| 12:34.22 | Dave | shit all over was going haywire - the guy's cellphone next to me started crackling right next to me :P |
| 12:34.36 | Dave | oh man, good times. |
| 12:34.39 | Dave | and spooky :p |
| 12:34.48 | Dave | IF ONLY THEY KNEW THE SOURCE >:) |
| 12:34.54 | Tig| | I still can't work out how it managed the cellphone one |
| 12:35.00 | Dave | I figure, why not harness this interference and make it useful. |
| 12:35.08 | Dave | Tig, dude, I'm not making it up :P |
| 12:35.24 | Dave | Only things I noticed were it was a smartphone of some kind, which must have had audio? |
| 12:35.27 | Dave | maybe? |
| 12:35.33 | Dave | But he's like wtf |
| 12:35.45 | Dave | meanwhile, my freerunner is sitting on the table reregistering :P |
| 12:36.52 | Dave | oh, what's even more fun, is a couple of my subwoofers pick up the local radio station... but when the freerunner is in proximity to the woofer, it pushes the station out, and then comes back |
| 12:37.11 | Dave | anyhoo I still think we should just turn this interference into something useful |
| 12:37.15 | Tig| | have you been playing with the internals? :) |
| 12:37.25 | Dave | No, I swear! O:-) |
| 12:37.30 | Tm_T | Dave: to silence those loud teen-cars on streets? |
| 12:37.36 | Dave | YES |
| 12:37.54 | Dave | dude, I learned my lesson |
| 12:38.00 | Tig| | a cell phone jammer that blocks everything but your own? |
| 12:38.08 | Dave | Turning on a cellphone jammer at rush hour on a bus full of college kids... |
| 12:38.10 | Dave | Tig, huhu |
| 12:38.11 | Tm_T | Dave: I have been planning to use some kind of EMP-cannon for it but FR will do too, I guess |
| 12:38.15 | Dave | Not good :P |
| 12:38.20 | Dave | hahaha, oh sweet! |
| 12:38.36 | Dave | TmT, let's just hook it up to a special super battery pack for that feature? |
| 12:38.38 | aliases123 | ah .... the freerunner is now destructure to others ? |
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| 12:38.50 | Dave | aliases, it always was... |
| 12:38.54 | Dave | You just had to recognize it :) |
| 12:39.01 | Tm_T | Dave: perhaps, with some kind of aim |
| 12:39.10 | Dave | It's clearly deleterious to your health and well being... as it makes you go insane very quickly :) |
| 12:39.12 | aliases123 | destructive * |
| 12:39.14 | Tig| | That is an aggressive form of marketing :) |
| 12:39.18 | Dave | Other than that, it is clearly a terrorist weapon. |
| 12:39.27 | Dave | Tig, by blowing portions of it up? :P |
| 12:39.38 | Dave | BUY MY PRODUCT OR IT WILL KILL YOU!? |
| 12:39.42 | aliases123 | i know its a real iphone killer. place person with iphone on unsecure network (ap / ad hock) shack with jail break, hope its the default password. halt it. |
| 12:39.48 | Tig| | by forcing other people to buy one if they want a signal :) |
| 12:40.08 | aliases123 | Tig|: ah ? are you guys for real ;) |
| 12:40.28 | Dave | >:) |
| 12:40.32 | Tig| | well I am real but what I am talking about is sillyness :) |
| 12:40.39 | Dave | Tig, as far as I know, unofficialy, verizon's done that |
| 12:40.50 | Dave | vzw, that is |
| 12:40.57 | Dave | Anyhoo, cellphone jammer? totally. |
| 12:41.00 | Dave | Yes please :) |
| 12:41.06 | Tig| | Dave: well that is the US market and that is a silly place |
| 12:41.09 | Dave | Let's just call it "Quiet Mode" |
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| 12:41.15 | Dave | or Pacify Mode :p |
| 12:41.22 | Dave | Tig, indeed! :) |
| 12:41.22 | Tm_T | peace mode |
| 12:41.38 | Dave | Yes! |
| 12:41.40 | Tig| | I believe it is called "Winning the War on Noise" mode :P |
| 12:41.40 | Dave | ^_^ |
| 12:41.43 | Dave | I like it |
| 12:41.47 | Dave | haha |
| 12:41.58 | Dave | It's kind of scary though |
| 12:42.04 | Dave | we took a tower out here, once |
| 12:42.19 | Tig| | currently my phone is "Winning the War on Dbus"...... grrr |
| 12:42.21 | Dave | It was like fucking chaos, because there was no overlapping cell for about 400people |
| 12:42.29 | Dave | haha Dbus |
| 12:42.33 | Tig| | Dave: oops |
| 12:42.37 | Dave | :D |
| 12:42.48 | Dave | Hey, let's just call it... an "experiment" >:) |
| 12:42.49 | Dave | hehe |
| 12:43.12 | Tm_T | awaynicks... yuck |
| 12:43.16 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rdf6cf3f4bc57 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [edje-sdk] Add edje-sdk. |
| 12:43.16 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r06f37f579a39 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-toolchain-host.bb: [meta-toolchain-openmoko] Add edje-sdk |
| 12:43.19 | Tig| | hmm |
| 12:43.27 | Dave | apt nickometer k-s[AWAY] |
| 12:43.31 | Dave | huhu |
| 12:43.38 | Dave | apt nickometer Tig|[HERE] |
| 12:43.41 | Dave | haw |
| 12:43.49 | Tig|[HERE] | pah |
| 12:43.51 | Dave | I disagree, he's got a pipe |
| 12:44.02 | aliases123 | ~pipe |
| 12:44.03 | apt | from memory, pipe is in a odd location as well, but i dun mind much about that |
| 12:44.13 | Dave | apt smoke it |
| 12:44.13 | apt | ACTION rolls up it, lights a match, kicks back and enjoys the noxious fumes |
| 12:44.19 | Tig|[HERE] | hehe |
| 12:44.21 | Dave | ;D |
| 12:44.27 | Dave | apt: good bot |
| 12:44.27 | apt | Dave: aw, gee |
| 12:44.30 | Dave | :) |
| 12:44.52 | Tig| | my phone is still making that odd high pitched noise when data is going over usb |
| 12:44.58 | Dave | :[ |
| 12:45.02 | Dave | yeah, I had that |
| 12:45.05 | Dave | it was really annoying |
| 12:45.26 | Tig| | well at least I know when my flash has finished |
| 12:45.41 | Dave | fortunately my 500+MB data transfer continually failed, so I had to eventually rip it out and use a card reader |
| 12:45.46 | Dave | haha |
| 12:45.50 | Dave | good point :p |
| 12:45.51 | Tig| | ooo silence |
| 12:46.00 | Dave | kind of how I know when I'm going to get a message? :P |
| 12:46.06 | Tig| | haha :) |
| 12:46.11 | Dave | they guy's phone NEXT to me fucks up :D |
| 12:46.20 | Dave | how deliciously ironic |
| 12:46.34 | Dave | Wonder how hard it'd be to turn the moko into a jammer |
| 12:46.40 | Dave | apt summon Speedevil |
| 12:46.40 | apt | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing Speedevil's coordinates |
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| 12:47.49 | Tig| | Dave : it can successfully block it's own calls at the moment :) |
| 12:47.56 | Tig| | so it is 50% there :P |
| 12:49.07 | Tig| | Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh still connecting with dbus |
| 12:49.20 | Dave | ahaha :D |
| 12:49.39 | Dave | Dude, how is that possible, it's like EPICFAIL, because it operates on the whole principle of dbus. |
| 12:49.48 | Dave | or rather, if dbus isn't there, the phone doesn't work at all. |
| 12:49.53 | Dave | Though I'm sure you are clearly finding this out :D |
| 12:50.00 | Tig| | it is a known issue |
| 12:50.11 | Dave | :O |
| 12:50.20 | Dave | At runtime, or a build issue? |
| 12:50.23 | Tig| | sometimes it does not come up properly and the fix is a microsoft special |
| 12:50.31 | Dave | so you have to reboot until it magically "works" ? |
| 12:50.46 | Tig| | yep, I have never had it before |
| 12:50.47 | Dave | UGGH |
| 12:50.55 | Dave | urge to kill... RISING |
| 12:51.06 | Tig| | but it looks like the recent builds are suffering from it |
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| 12:51.13 | Dave | haha |
| 12:51.21 | Dave | it's funny how Dave's law still holds true then ;D |
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| 12:51.54 | Dave | As development proceeds forward frequently, it seems, progress goes backwards in key/core parts of the software. |
| 12:51.59 | Tig| | I think it is only on the first boot |
| 12:52.19 | Dave | or in hilariousness, in the repositories, for some packages, as the version numbers increase, the revision numbers decrease. |
| 12:52.22 | Dave | What the fuck is that? :D |
| 12:52.24 | Tig| | from the book of the wiki (hardback version) : and lo "If the Zhone main window does not appear on first boot or stays with "connecting to dbus..." longer than 1 minute, then please reboot. The base system still has some problems with dbus starting for the first time" |
| 12:52.42 | Dave | haha |
| 12:52.46 | Dave | wah wah |
| 12:52.52 | Dave | oh right, this is right after flashing? |
| 12:52.58 | Tig| | yeah |
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| 12:54.22 | Dave | Hmm, so maybe I shouldn't try FSO3 :p |
| 12:54.32 | Dave | Sorry, mickey :P |
| 12:54.49 | Tig| | I had it running fine with the milestone release |
| 12:54.52 | Dave | Though I have to, since I have a phone for each distro. |
| 12:55.02 | Dave | except some just sit there. |
| 12:55.05 | Dave | Since they stick :P |
| 12:55.09 | Dave | stink |
| 12:55.34 | Tig| | but decided to flash to a new image from the autobuilder and set up the feeds |
| 12:55.52 | Tig| | Dave: how did you end up with so many? |
| 12:55.55 | Dave | and, consequentially, it seems to have... set you up the bomb. |
| 12:56.02 | Dave | Tig, I work with them :) |
| 12:56.13 | Tig| | ah :) |
| 12:56.16 | Tig| | doing what? |
| 12:56.30 | Dave | SEKRETZ PLANZ |
| 12:56.46 | Tig| | eeek a WinCE port! |
| 12:56.52 | Dave | hahahahaha |
| 12:56.52 | Tig| | kill kill kill |
| 12:56.54 | Dave | if only :p |
| 12:57.02 | Dave | as far as I know, it'd be Windows Mobile platform :p |
| 12:57.13 | Dave | just have, perhaps worse memory utilization |
| 12:58.22 | Tig| | don't talk to me about windows mobile devices, i have a dell something 51v or something that sits on a shelf as it is too buggy and painful to use |
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| 12:59.34 | Dave | :D |
| 12:59.42 | Dave | he e double l |
| 13:00.28 | aliases123 | Tig|: oh ? |
| 13:00.42 | Tig| | if it had not been free I would have been annoyed :) |
| 13:00.47 | aliases123 | i'm still confused why we can't boot in under 30 seconds |
| 13:01.00 | aliases123 | like... ffs just store a ready state on it or something |
| 13:01.20 | Tig| | aliases123: I suspect we are not loading stuff in paralell yet |
| 13:01.47 | aliases123 | Tig|: no the debian guys tested that. it doesn't make a difference. they got the best result from switching to dash instead of bash |
| 13:01.59 | Tig| | ah |
| 13:02.06 | Tig| | what about using upstart? |
| 13:02.06 | aliases123 | (debian boots faster than the stock 2007 / 2008 i think anyway). |
| 13:02.15 | aliases123 | Tig|: there is no upstart in debian. thank god. |
| 13:03.05 | aliases123 | Tig|: they (ubuntu) thought it would be a good idea to remove several useful features of shutdown. there is no shutdown -F -- fsck on reboot and a solution to that is trivial, but they will not make it. |
| 13:03.37 | aliases123 | (that would be fsck on next boot). |
| 13:04.04 | Tig| | did they actually remove it or did they just not implement it in their version of shutdown? |
| 13:04.49 | aliases123 | Tig|: by remove i mean didn't add it. |
| 13:05.05 | aliases123 | which is rather pathetic. |
| 13:05.39 | Tig| | well for the desktop version they probably didn't think it was needed |
| 13:05.47 | Dave | o_O |
| 13:05.51 | Dave | What are you talking about? |
| 13:06.02 | aliases123 | the only thing they need to do is an an option to touch /forcefsck and Tig| its not on the server either. |
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| 13:06.17 | aliases123 | unless i'm wrong its the same upstart init... |
| 13:06.17 | Tig| | has it been flagged as a bug? |
| 13:06.18 | Dave | --force it till it HERTZ? |
| 13:06.33 | Dave | qtopia is a bug. |
| 13:06.45 | aliases123 | Tig|: yes. and it has not been fixed. |
| 13:06.50 | aliases123 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/74139 |
| 13:06.56 | aliases123 | apparently they will not fix it. |
| 13:06.57 | Dave | mediaplayer is a bug |
| 13:07.08 | Dave | unintended feature, rather. |
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| 13:09.47 | Dave | bwah |
| 13:10.00 | Dave | Error Failure We're going down |
| 13:10.05 | Dave | well, so much for that... |
| 13:11.20 | aliases123 | Dave: ? |
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| 13:20.00 | sicu | Error Failure We were never up |
| 13:21.38 | sicu | ~jingle bells |
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| 13:38.22 | Weiss | wondered how long it would be since getting his FR before a random person noticed it and asked about it |
| 13:38.26 | Weiss | the answer: 11.5 days |
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| 13:40.49 | Dave | :P |
| 13:41.02 | enriko | hey i tried installing the fat and dirty om |
| 13:41.08 | Dave | heh |
| 13:41.08 | enriko | looks much better then om 2008 |
| 13:41.14 | Dave | haha |
| 13:41.17 | Dave | I wouldn't know :P |
| 13:41.35 | enriko | at least you manage to digit the pin |
| 13:41.37 | Dave | I'm not into mexicans. |
| 13:41.55 | enriko | and selct numbers or letters or terminal |
| 13:42.02 | enriko | and has many applications |
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| 13:42.19 | enriko | i just did not manage to connect to wifi still |
| 13:42.52 | enriko | and also it does not work like the normal om2008 about usb connection |
| 13:43.19 | enriko | Dave, what do you use? |
| 13:43.58 | enriko | i got the phone yesterday and i am trying to flash different images and llok for one that works |
| 13:44.09 | enriko | om2008 > not good |
| 13:44.23 | Seadog_ | enriko: I've been using qtopia, it's been pretty amazing so far |
| 13:44.40 | enriko | do you manage to use wifi with that? |
| 13:44.51 | Seadog_ | I did for about a second xD |
| 13:44.59 | Seadog_ | apparantly it works well, might just be my awful router |
| 13:46.03 | enriko | and okæy |
| 13:46.08 | enriko | i am gonn atry that too |
| 13:46.10 | enriko | why not |
| 13:46.23 | enriko | looks nice that at least it retrieves the numbers from the sim |
| 13:46.25 | Seadog_ | I've been impressed with it, it seems way more mature than OM 2008.8 |
| 13:46.34 | enriko | an besides |
| 13:46.40 | enriko | trolltech is one of my customers |
| 13:46.48 | enriko | i have to set up a lamp server for them |
| 13:46.53 | enriko | called bluetopia next week |
| 13:47.02 | enriko | i guess it's bingo if i also use it |
| 13:47.06 | enriko | win win |
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| 13:50.37 | enriko | Seadog_, do you manage connecting to it with usb? |
| 13:50.44 | enriko | and getting it online by that? |
| 13:51.30 | Dave | yarr |
| 13:51.31 | Seadog_ | enriko: yeah that was easy |
| 13:51.38 | enriko | goodie |
| 13:51.50 | enriko | flashing |
| 13:52.04 | enriko | so far openmoko was fun |
| 13:52.09 | enriko | not really reliable |
| 13:52.15 | enriko | but i got hope |
| 13:52.17 | enriko | :) |
| 13:53.39 | enriko | howevah |
| 13:53.46 | enriko | om 2008 has nice graphics |
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| 13:55.21 | Dave | You like them? |
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| 13:56.12 | enriko | yeah |
| 13:56.17 | enriko | don't you Dave? |
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| 13:57.11 | Dave | no |
| 13:57.19 | enriko | okæy |
| 13:57.23 | enriko | so what do you use |
| 13:57.28 | enriko | qtopia you too? |
| 13:58.37 | Dave | haha na |
| 13:58.42 | Dave | Actually I'm still using 2007.2 |
| 13:58.52 | Dave | It's still the best (most usable), in my opinion. |
| 13:59.00 | Dave | For all my various uses, anyway. |
| 13:59.09 | enriko | ah |
| 13:59.11 | Dave | Everything else is still "getting there" ... |
| 13:59.17 | enriko | but no wifi |
| 13:59.27 | enriko | and no good audio |
| 13:59.28 | Dave | 2007 has 100% working wifi |
| 13:59.33 | enriko | åh |
| 13:59.35 | Dave | for all my uses |
| 13:59.39 | Dave | the audio is fine |
| 13:59.44 | Dave | for calls it could be sketchy though |
| 13:59.48 | Dave | but I don't make calls using it |
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| 13:59.54 | Dave | So it's a non-issue :) |
| 13:59.56 | enriko | but is it 2007 version the default you get with the phone |
| 14:00.01 | enriko | ? |
| 14:00.05 | Dave | I use mplayer on 2007.2 and listen/watch audio streams |
| 14:00.08 | Dave | it works nicely |
| 14:00.17 | Dave | yeah it's the default that ships with it |
| 14:00.17 | enriko | talks about the neo freerunner |
| 14:00.22 | enriko | ah yeah |
| 14:00.26 | enriko | it sucks balls |
| 14:00.27 | enriko | :) |
| 14:00.46 | enriko | how do you digit the pin code? |
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| 14:00.53 | enriko | scrolling down to numbers? |
| 14:00.58 | enriko | it's hopeless |
| 14:01.04 | enriko | and the t9 on contacts |
| 14:01.09 | enriko | when you write a new name |
| 14:01.16 | enriko | like my gf name is mari |
| 14:01.27 | enriko | it took me 20 minutes to try storing her name |
| 14:01.31 | enriko | not mary |
| 14:01.34 | enriko | not maria |
| 14:01.37 | enriko | .... |
| 14:02.01 | enriko | it just irritated me |
| 14:03.02 | Dave | haha, yeah |
| 14:03.08 | Dave | Agreed |
| 14:03.15 | Dave | well you can always change keyboards |
| 14:03.16 | Dave | which is good |
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| 14:03.24 | Dave | yeah predictive text is good for one thing and one thing only |
| 14:03.26 | Dave | but I never use it |
| 14:03.39 | Dave | because it gets in the way too much, and I can type faster on a tiny qwerty keyboard |
| 14:04.01 | enriko | so you bought the phone to have a portable terminal |
| 14:04.03 | enriko | and that's all |
| 14:04.06 | enriko | right? |
| 14:04.49 | Dave | hahaha |
| 14:04.50 | Dave | no :P |
| 14:04.58 | enriko | haha. |
| 14:06.18 | enriko | finished flashing and booted |
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| 14:06.22 | enriko | looks nice |
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| 14:08.51 | enriko | but does not look like it workd importing the numbers from sim |
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| 14:17.00 | mwester | ljp: Any word on the 4.3.3 source tarballs? (I'm feeling unloved by Nokia/Trolltech right now; I've already reverse-engineered one of your patches in that binary blob, I'm not sure I wish to have to reverse-engineer the SMS/suspend one, since it's supposedly open-source!!!) |
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| 14:31.07 | data_jepp | is everyone having problems with WSOD or is there a fix? |
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| 14:32.49 | Shlee | I've got a problem with all wireless networks getting detected as WPA on mofi.. |
| 14:32.58 | Shlee | Not sure where to place the bug report.. |
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| 14:34.25 | bumbl | ecraven: ping |
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| 14:38.03 | enriko | mmm |
| 14:38.14 | enriko | seems like qtopia crashes very easyly |
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| 14:47.48 | Gnutoo | hello, i've not been able to resolve my sd problem: i have end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 in dmesg and i've tried various sd_max_clk without success...and what's sd_slow_ratio ? |
| 14:48.13 | Gnutoo | i'd like to use my 4gb microsd in order to try debian... |
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| 14:54.22 | pheno | I can't run simple qt helloworld on qtopia 4.3.3 / neo 1973. It says "qt-helloworld not found". File is there and it is executable |
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| 14:56.44 | queueRAM | pheno: are you trying to run it from the terminal? |
| 14:57.10 | pheno | yes |
| 14:57.56 | queueRAM | is it in your PATH? |
| 14:58.11 | queueRAM | or just in the current directory? |
| 14:58.16 | pheno | well actually I start it with ./qt-helloworld and it is in the current path |
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| 14:59.03 | pheno | just can't understand it |
| 14:59.45 | queueRAM | so, it's in your current directory, is executable, and you are trying to run it with ./qt-helloworld ? |
| 15:00.11 | pheno | correct |
| 15:00.54 | queueRAM | what exactly do the permissions of it look like? |
| 15:01.33 | pheno | unfortunately I don't have the phone with me at the moment, I checked it and it was 0755 |
| 15:01.34 | queueRAM | from the output of: ls -l ./qt-helloworld |
| 15:01.46 | queueRAM | i see |
| 15:01.53 | queueRAM | don't know what to tell you |
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| 15:02.04 | sakkara | does completion works? if you type ./qt-h and tab? |
| 15:02.12 | pheno | But I believe I should be able to run it, right ? |
| 15:02.15 | pheno | sakkara: yes |
| 15:02.22 | Gnutoo | anyone for my sd problem...i've tried lowering the clock but it didn't work |
| 15:02.26 | sakkara | yeah, you should... |
| 15:02.44 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * rcee8114fe8fa 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac): Prepared for release 0.6 |
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| 15:07.40 | |FiLiP| | pheno ? |
| 15:07.48 | |FiLiP| | try . /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.env |
| 15:08.00 | |FiLiP| | and the ./qt-helloworld |
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| 15:16.42 | soundar | which version of curl i can use with openmoko toolchain ? |
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| 15:18.44 | Gnutoo | anyone? |
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| 15:21.17 | pb_ | mickeyl: good morning |
| 15:21.23 | mickeyl | hey p |
| 15:21.24 | mickeyl | b_ |
| 15:21.30 | mickeyl | hmm, bogus return events |
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| 15:25.31 | TAsn | i can't seem to get gprs running on fso3 ;\ |
| 15:25.42 | TAsn | (haven't tried on other distros yet) |
| 15:25.52 | TAsn | i get outgoing and after 10~ secs i got release |
| 15:26.02 | TAsn | any ideas+ |
| 15:26.02 | TAsn | ? |
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| 15:26.54 | tg | turn on debugging and check the pppd.log |
| 15:28.49 | TAsn | how do i turn on debugging? |
| 15:28.56 | TAsn | i tried using mdbus |
| 15:28.56 | mickeyl | read openmokoframework page on the wiki |
| 15:29.08 | TAsn | that's how i found out about the release |
| 15:29.14 | TAsn | mickeyl, tg, thanks. |
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| 15:36.58 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rfc9343f746ac 10/fsod/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Simplify things a bit. Delete subsystem.vala to simplify things |
| 15:36.59 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r3acc5080970a 10/fsod/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 15:36.59 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Subsystem factories should take in the Service object |
| 15:36.59 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Maintain a hashmap of the loaded objects |
| 15:40.15 | Gnutoo | anyone for my sdcard problem...i tried changing the maximum clock but still i had some i/o errors...and i didn't use suspend... |
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| 15:44.46 | slaxxin | is debian installed yet? |
| 15:48.08 | Gnutoo | it's in the process...but on the 512MB sd-card... |
| 15:48.48 | Gnutoo | the card that has problem is a 4GB one...and i'd like to resolve them... |
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| 15:56.57 | TAsn | tg, ok made the logs |
| 15:57.13 | TAsn | looked through, and it's talking about usb0 quite often ;0 |
| 15:57.22 | tg | the ppp log? |
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| 16:01.14 | TAsn | no, the debug log of the framework |
| 16:01.17 | TAsn | where is the ppp log at? |
| 16:02.13 | mickeyl | logread -f while trying to connect |
| 16:02.19 | mickeyl | ppp dumps its log into the syslog |
| 16:02.39 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * rfc0089aaac15 10/src/zhone: add warning regarding the state of the program |
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| 16:03.25 | TAsn | mickeyl, cool. |
| 16:03.28 | TAsn | thanks again. |
| 16:03.33 | mickeyl | np |
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| 16:04.40 | slaxxin | is it a kingston sdcard? |
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| 16:05.07 | slaxxin | i just bought 2 4 gig cards fir 32 dollars |
| 16:05.16 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.22 | rooly|away | yech |
| 16:05.36 | rooly|away | phone's not recieving calls... |
| 16:05.41 | rooly|away | using 2008.9.17 |
| 16:05.49 | slaxxin | yea me too |
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| 16:06.06 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.14 | rooly|away | gonna try out qtopia |
| 16:06.16 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.30 | slaxxin | is the new 1 here?:) |
| 16:06.35 | rooly|away | 4.3.3 |
| 16:06.39 | slaxxin | oo |
| 16:06.51 | rooly|away | check the wiki mainpage |
| 16:06.54 | slaxxin | it seemed very good |
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| 16:07.14 | slaxxin | i used it fir 2 days |
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| 16:08.02 | TAsn | as expected it's saying connection failed ;0 |
| 16:08.06 | TAsn | sec im upping the logs. |
| 16:08.34 | hama | Gnutoo: maybe you ask in the mailing-list? |
| 16:08.59 | Gnutoo | hama, ok thanks i'll do it... |
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| 16:09.48 | Gnutoo | hama, by the way do you know what is sd_slow_ratio? |
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| 16:11.52 | Gnutoo | hama, found it |
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| 16:15.58 | TAsn | do you know where's the connect and disconnect scripts for ppp are located at? |
| 16:18.47 | TAsn | or their equivalents in fso? |
| 16:19.12 | TAsn | i wanna see exactly what it's doing since i already got ppp working on my computer with my other phone |
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| 16:19.45 | max_posedon | Hi! Does anybody know, how to add russian language to qtopia-4.3.3? I just want read sms wrotten in russian. |
| 16:25.25 | bumbl | ecraven: ping |
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| 16:28.03 | TAsn | no idea where i can change the connect and disconnect tmp files that ogsmd creates? |
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| 16:30.26 | _sh|AJuOnLiNE | mickeyl: you read the doc i sent ? |
| 16:31.11 | mickeyl | not yet |
| 16:31.39 | TAsn | mickeyl, do you know where does it save those templates? |
| 16:31.42 | _sh|AJuOnLiNE | ok.. |
| 16:31.51 | mickeyl | TAsn: read /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/modem.py |
| 16:31.56 | TAsn | cause i think i had to hack mine in order to connect from the computer. |
| 16:32.01 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 16:32.02 | TAsn | thanks. |
| 16:32.03 | mickeyl | i'd be surprised |
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| 16:32.14 | mickeyl | those files are provider-agnostic iirc |
| 16:32.18 | mickeyl | but lets see your diffs |
| 16:33.17 | TAsn | sec i will check if that even works (have to open my laptop first) |
| 16:33.51 | TAsn | mickeyl, those are the options |
| 16:34.02 | TAsn | im talking about the chat |
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| 16:34.09 | TAsn | AT commands etc |
| 16:34.17 | rooly|away | and installing qtopia |
| 16:34.21 | mickeyl | those are generic as well |
| 16:34.21 | rooly|away | lets see how this looks |
| 16:34.40 | mickeyl | the only thing that i could imagine making a difference is choosing PAP/CHAP |
| 16:34.46 | TAsn | i know, though i tried generic ones last time and that didn't work, i wanna try non generic. |
| 16:35.14 | TAsn | where is it though? i wanna try |
| 16:35.47 | mickeyl | /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/generic/pdp.py |
| 16:35.47 | Gnutoo | how do i install debian on a 512MB card? |
| 16:37.19 | TAsn | mickeyl, no such dir generic. |
| 16:37.33 | TAsn | was in abstract though |
| 16:38.06 | mickeyl | ya |
| 16:38.12 | mickeyl | can't remember all paths all of the time :) |
| 16:38.25 | TAsn | you were doing that by heart?! |
| 16:38.41 | TAsn | i though you have the moko by your side and you were just pressing tab along the way ;] |
| 16:38.44 | TAsn | GJ! |
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| 16:40.03 | mickeyl | heh, no |
| 16:40.09 | mickeyl | too many open windows |
| 16:40.10 | awwaiid | Gnutoo, the general instructions for Debian might work.... but I hear it just _barely_ fits. Otherwise on the wiki is a "Manual" debian install method |
| 16:40.18 | ieatlint | is it true dogs can't look up? |
| 16:40.19 | mickeyl | it'd take time to find out the remote console for the neo :) |
| 16:40.31 | TAsn | :) |
| 16:40.33 | rooly|away | how far "up", ieatlint |
| 16:41.01 | TAsn | mickeyl, it's such a shame i get my fr a week early than i planned, i think im gonna fail the test on monday ;\ |
| 16:41.01 | Gnutoo | awwaiid, the problem is the space...i get out of space before finishing the install and my 4gb card get i/o errors |
| 16:41.32 | awwaiid | Probably the easiest thing is to look at the install script and see if there is anything that you can leave out |
| 16:41.41 | mickeyl | TAsn: uh oh... spend more time learning, less time playing! :) |
| 16:41.52 | mickeyl | whereas Openmoko is learning as well *cough* ;) |
| 16:41.56 | mickeyl | just a different subject |
| 16:41.57 | mickeyl | heh |
| 16:42.04 | rooly|away | ieatlint: maybe dogs can't raise their head above a certian point without changing body position, but yes dogs can look up overall. (how else could they catch frisbees) |
| 16:42.06 | TAsn | mickeyl, yeah. |
| 16:42.20 | TAsn | it's a computer science degree though i think im learning more from the moko ;0 |
| 16:42.37 | ieatlint | rooly|away, saw, i just watched shaun of the dead again |
| 16:42.41 | awwaiid | Gnutoo, or if you wanna get fancy.... maybe you could run the debain script step-by-step, and at a key moment nfs-mount some more space for /var/cache/apt |
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| 16:42.55 | Gnutoo | awwaiid, good idea |
| 16:43.02 | ieatlint | blah, sorry |
| 16:43.07 | ieatlint | i can't talk, let alonetype |
| 16:43.12 | rooly|away | lol |
| 16:43.19 | rooly|away | installing qtopia! |
| 16:43.21 | rooly|away | woo hoo! |
| 16:43.25 | Gnutoo | thanks...but where does debian store it's temporary files? in /var/ ? |
| 16:43.27 | rooly|away | maybe it'll resume and suspend correctly |
| 16:43.50 | Raigedas | hi people.. there is one more happy person on the planet, FR ower ;) |
| 16:43.55 | awwaiid | it puts the packages it downloads in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 16:44.14 | awwaiid | but it unpacks them in-place |
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| 16:44.31 | awwaiid | still, that might be all you need to get it actually installed |
| 16:44.39 | Raigedas | post was fault for the delay, not pulster |
| 16:46.26 | Raigedas | the FR that i received is almost empty.. i cannot even find how should i type anything in terminal? |
| 16:46.47 | wurp2|gone | Raigedas: Did you read the "getting started" on the wiki? |
| 16:46.52 | Gnutoo | awwaiid, ok thanks |
| 16:46.59 | awwaiid | np |
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| 16:48.50 | Raigedas | i read about connecting pc usb. but it does not work. they say that i should be able to ssh to FR at address 192.168.0.202 but i even cannot ping it. |
| 16:49.18 | queueRAM | Raigedas: did you ifconfig it properly? |
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| 16:50.37 | wurp2|working | Raigedas: What OS is your PC running? |
| 16:50.52 | Raigedas | no. isnt it by default already set ip 192.168.0.202 ? i just have set on windows thet usb ethernet adapter ip to 192.168.0.200 |
| 16:51.06 | Raigedas | most of the time XP |
| 16:51.08 | wurp2|working | (btw, since I reinstalled Ubuntu I have to ifdown & ifup usb0 every time after reconnecting the neo before I can connect) |
| 16:51.29 | wurp2|working | Raigedas: ew. ;-) |
| 16:51.34 | Raigedas | :( |
| 16:51.42 | Raigedas | i apologise.. |
| 16:51.43 | Raigedas | ;) |
| 16:51.44 | wurp2|working | heh |
| 16:52.05 | Raigedas | but i have ubuntu afcourse |
| 16:52.10 | Raigedas | *of |
| 16:52.17 | wurp2|working | I don't even try to get my neo working on windows boxes - it was a pain to do the one time I got it to work, and I have to install a driver on the machine |
| 16:52.18 | queueRAM | yeah, i can't help you with Windows. Just make sure the IP range isn't conflicting with another network device. |
| 16:52.41 | wurp2|working | Since all the windows machines I connect to are not mine (work or a family member's), I don't like to install new drivers |
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| 17:03.57 | TAsn | mickeyl, even after changing this file it won't change nothing (still running the same commands) |
| 17:04.16 | mickeyl | what does the log say? |
| 17:04.28 | TAsn | logread -f? |
| 17:04.35 | TAsn | it's writing the same commands |
| 17:04.41 | TAsn | like if i haven't changed nothing. |
| 17:04.56 | TAsn | although i have change pdp.py |
| 17:05.12 | TAsn | oh |
| 17:05.24 | TAsn | btw |
| 17:05.31 | mickeyl | well, the question is _how_ does it fail for you? |
| 17:05.41 | mickeyl | where in the ppp setup handshake |
| 17:05.46 | TAsn | /tmp/ogsmd/gprs-connect-bla |
| 17:05.52 | TAsn | is changed to be mine |
| 17:06.00 | TAsn | but chat is still running the old commands... |
| 17:06.08 | TAsn | mickeyl, you get what i mean? |
| 17:06.14 | mickeyl | changing files won't do |
| 17:06.20 | mickeyl | you need to change the source of the files in pdp.py |
| 17:06.22 | TAsn | i know. |
| 17:06.26 | TAsn | i changed pdp.py |
| 17:06.28 | mickeyl | ok |
| 17:06.29 | TAsn | now it updates |
| 17:06.33 | mickeyl | but how exactly is it failing? |
| 17:06.37 | mickeyl | please show us the logs |
| 17:06.39 | TAsn | /tmp/ogsmd/gprs.... to mine |
| 17:06.42 | mickeyl | otherwise it's just blindg guessing |
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| 17:06.50 | TAsn | mickeyl, it's not running my commands though! |
| 17:06.55 | TAsn | that's what im trying to say. |
| 17:06.59 | Zorkman_ | is there a way to recover an sd card when suspend has messed with it? |
| 17:07.10 | mickeyl | did you restart the framework after changing pdp? |
| 17:07.16 | TAsn | it changed the correct files but it still doesn't run those commands. |
| 17:07.19 | TAsn | mickeyl, nope. |
| 17:07.20 | TAsn | sec. |
| 17:07.21 | mickeyl | heh |
| 17:07.34 | mickeyl | you need to restart, python won't pick up changed files while a program is running |
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| 17:08.46 | wurp2|working | lpotter: I have significant recharge problems with Qtopia 4.3.2 on gta01 |
| 17:08.57 | wurp2|working | lpotter: It forgets that I told it to fast charge, so it discharges |
| 17:09.12 | wurp2|working | lpotter: It does that frequently. I think it has done it every night for the last 4 nights. |
| 17:09.48 | wurp2|working | lpotter: And for some reason it usually doesn't obey the power management setup for while on the charger. e.g. I tell it to dim after 20 seconds and go black after 40, and it does neither, ever. |
| 17:10.20 | wurp2|working | lpotter: Other than that, and the known issue in which sound doesn't switch to the headphones, qtopia has been great. |
| 17:10.57 | wurp2|working | My big nitpick is not being able to, or not knowing how to, manage which directories I see sound files, pictures, etc. from. |
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| 17:12.13 | Raigedas | extremely strange.. i have executed on FR "ifconfig" and it tels that usb0 adapter has ip 192.168.0.202. but i cannot ping it from winxp. i can only ping 192.168.0.200 ... |
| 17:12.29 | Raigedas | request timed out |
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| 17:13.50 | Raigedas | i have no firewalls.. |
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| 17:15.00 | wurp2|working | Raigedas: request times out to 200, or just to 202? |
| 17:15.20 | Raigedas | times out just to 202 |
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| 17:15.44 | Raigedas | should i set "default gateway" on pc for that adapter? and what it should be? |
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| 17:16.12 | wurp2|working | In your network connections, do you see the Device Name for your FR? |
| 17:16.41 | TAsn | mickeyl, my version did get further |
| 17:17.33 | TAsn | though i got this: |
| 17:17.35 | TAsn | Sep 18 20:13:38 om-gta02 daemon.notice modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting ppp_mpp |
| 17:17.35 | TAsn | e (/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_mppe.ko): No such device |
| 17:17.39 | Raigedas | wurp2|working, yes of course i see. it was "Local Area Connection 3" by default and i renamed it to "freerunner". this is the adapter where i have set ip to .0.200 |
| 17:18.03 | mickeyl | TAsn: you can ignore that |
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| 17:22.09 | Raigedas | hmm... actualy my PC is on that subnet. i mean that the main ip of my computer is 192.168.0.5 . my that be a problem? |
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| 17:22.30 | wurp2|working | Raigedas: Of course that is a problem... |
| 17:22.32 | Raigedas | should i put FR stuff on different subnet |
| 17:22.46 | Raigedas | ok |
| 17:22.47 | max_posedon | may be, you should double check route print |
| 17:23.36 | bernt | Raigedas: you can use 255.255.255.128 as netmask |
| 17:23.37 | wurp2|working | You could theoretically do some fancy footwork with subnet masks, but it makes far more sense to just put it on a different subnet |
| 17:24.01 | wurp2|working | bernt: Unless one of the PCs on his other network has an address with last quad >= 128... |
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| 17:24.50 | bernt | wurp2|working: mostly the ips are in a certain range ;-) |
| 17:25.25 | wurp2|working | bernt: yeah, but it's still much easier just to switch the third quad |
| 17:26.03 | wurp2|working | well, a little easier, as well as a little less likely to still be broken or spontaneously break in the future |
| 17:26.08 | bernt | but this is boring ;-) |
| 17:26.26 | wurp2|working | True. I'm all about boring when it comes to stuff I want to work :-) |
| 17:26.40 | max_posedon | I suggest add route to 192.168.0.202 via usb device, but 192.168.0.0 via eth. I think you will attach neo many times, and it you will not like change ip often. |
| 17:27.12 | bernt | at the moment I have mixed debian apt and opkg on my freerunner .. trying to solve that ;-) |
| 17:27.19 | TAsn | mickeyl, http://www.pastebin.ca/1205113 |
| 17:27.23 | TAsn | this is the first try |
| 17:27.27 | TAsn | the second is: |
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| 17:28.18 | TAsn | http://www.pastebin.ca/1205114 |
| 17:28.22 | TAsn | got any ideas? |
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| 17:30.41 | TAsn | mickeyl, both with your script, my output was similar to the second. |
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| 17:32.03 | thomasgruebler | hello |
| 17:32.09 | thomasgruebler | where is the german channel? |
| 17:32.24 | Dave | Hello gentlemen |
| 17:32.36 | Zorkman_ | thomasgruebler: #neo1973-germany |
| 17:32.36 | bernt | thomasgruebler: dont know, but nice to see some german people ;-) |
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| 17:33.04 | Dave | #neo-norge ? :D |
| 17:33.16 | thomasgruebler | thx |
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| 17:36.30 | mickeyl | TAsn: ok, looks like authentication fails |
| 17:36.39 | mickeyl | is "internet" a valid APN for your network? |
| 17:36.45 | TAsn | yeah. |
| 17:36.46 | mickeyl | which user and password are you giving? |
| 17:36.49 | mickeyl | do you need PAP or CHAP? |
| 17:36.55 | TAsn | orange mobile54 |
| 17:37.08 | TAsn | and im not sure whether i need pap or chap |
| 17:37.18 | Dave | MICKEYL |
| 17:37.25 | Dave | your dbus is failing us |
| 17:37.26 | TAsn | how can i check on my nokia? |
| 17:37.39 | mickeyl | dunno, your provider should give you that info |
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| 17:38.01 | TAsn | my provider has bad service ;] |
| 17:38.11 | Dave | :P |
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| 17:42.03 | mickeyl | anyways, i can have a look when i'm in tapei |
| 17:42.13 | Dave | :) |
| 17:42.33 | mickeyl | since my provider does not use any auth |
| 17:42.40 | mickeyl | it's always hard to test PAP and CHAP |
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| 17:43.36 | TAsn | i don't think mine is using any either |
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| 17:43.46 | TAsn | what can i try in that case? |
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| 17:47.25 | pb__ | TAsn: you could try setting "refuse-chap" if you're sure your provider doesn't need that. otherwise, you might need to put a dummy entry in chap-secrets. |
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| 17:47.59 | TAsn | thanks |
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| 17:48.56 | pb__ | I seem to remember that O2 insists on doing a useless chap exchange for some reason, though I haven't tried it lately |
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| 17:50.09 | tkep | if i'm getting an sdl_mixer.so error when loading duke3d, and the package is installed, it's probably not linked correctly, right? |
| 17:51.02 | pb__ | you mean sdl_mixer.so is installed but duke3d can't find it? |
| 17:51.32 | tkep | that's what it seems to say pb_ |
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| 17:51.40 | tkep | lemme get the error :) |
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| 17:52.49 | TAsn | pb_, where do i set refuse chap+? |
| 17:52.59 | pb__ | tasn: in your ppp options file |
| 17:53.09 | pb__ | either /etc/ppp/options, or whatever peer file you are using, or on the pppd commandline |
| 17:53.12 | TAsn | cool. |
| 17:53.33 | TAsn | and this one doesn't get overwritten by FSO? |
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| 17:54.07 | pb__ | hm, good question. dunno, you'd have to check with mickey. |
| 17:54.12 | pb__ | or just try it and see :-} |
| 17:54.28 | TAsn | :) |
| 17:54.30 | mickeyl | check pdp.py, there you'll see which files get overidden |
| 17:54.30 | TAsn | thanks |
| 17:54.38 | TAsn | thanks |
| 17:54.59 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:57.39 | tkep | ./duke3d: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:57.43 | tkep | that's the one |
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| 17:58.38 | pb__ | tkep: and do you have libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 in /usr/lib? |
| 17:59.14 | playya | tkep, did you read http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/duke-nukem-3d/readme-openmoko.txt? |
| 17:59.37 | tkep | playya, yup |
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| 17:59.48 | tkep | pb_, yes, it's there |
| 18:01.09 | baruch | I've upgraded my FSO based on a self built tree (no fso-unstable to dl) and now I get a CRC error and X won't start, anyone had this happen? know how to recover? |
| 18:01.10 | pb__ | tkep: try running ldconfig, see if that helps |
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| 18:04.44 | bove | hi. I installed qtopia on a MicroSD yesterday, but when trying to ssh it, I get "WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!" |
| 18:04.51 | pb__ | tkep: if that doesn't help, you might need to use strace to find out what it's up to. try: strace -f ./duke3d 2>&1 | grep SDL_mixer |
| 18:05.12 | TAsn | bove, reasonable enough |
| 18:05.13 | bove | guess it's because it has another key than my 2008.8, but how should I fix this? |
| 18:05.16 | TAsn | same ip, 2 systems |
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| 18:07.04 | pb__ | bove: if you're confident that your phone hasn't, in fact, been hacked, just remove the old entry from your known_hosts file. |
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| 18:07.27 | pb__ | or copy the host key across so that both installations use the same one |
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| 18:08.56 | bove | where is the host key stored? |
| 18:09.03 | TAsn | /etc/dropbear |
| 18:09.04 | TAsn | iirc |
| 18:09.06 | bove | thanks |
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| 18:15.17 | Xilent | how do i kill apps in the top list (in 2008.08) ? |
| 18:16.35 | Dave | haha |
| 18:16.58 | Xilent | or how do i generally kill apps in the 2008.08 X |
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| 18:18.48 | almien | try opening the dropdown list of apps from top of the screen and using "close' or whatever it's called (bottom of the list) |
| 18:19.14 | almien | will close current app, not selected app I think |
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| 18:22.35 | tkep | pb_, thanks, i'm going to try your suggestions |
| 18:24.06 | tkep | pb_, writev(2, [{"./duke3d", 8}, {": ", 2}, {"error while loading shared libra"..., 36}, {": ", 2}, {"libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0", 21}, {": ", 2}, {"cannot open shared object file", 30}, {": ", 2}, {"No such file or directory", 25}, {"\n", 1}], 10./duke3d: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 18:38.56 | Gnutoo | hello, where do i ask for how many MB is required for debian on the freerunner |
| 18:39.17 | jones | here probably, or try the wiki |
| 18:39.44 | Gnutoo | because i've only a 512MB card and i don't think the NFS for /var/cache/apt will be enough |
| 18:40.01 | Gnutoo | (the 4gb has corruption issues on the freerunner) |
| 18:40.36 | jones | im not sure, i think you can fit it in that |
| 18:40.54 | jones | a desktop deb min install takes just oer 100megs |
| 18:44.15 | tkep | anny ideas on my error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 18:44.21 | tkep | any* |
| 18:44.30 | pb___ | tkep: did you try ldconfig and strace? |
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| 18:46.02 | tkep | pb_, yeah, you hopped out when i posted the result |
| 18:46.04 | tkep | :) |
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| 18:46.41 | pb___ | doh |
| 18:46.44 | pb___ | can you post it again? |
| 18:47.08 | Xilent | almien: thx |
| 18:47.17 | tkep | pb_, http://pastebin.com/m424ee3a3 |
| 18:47.25 | tkep | thanks for all the help |
| 18:47.58 | Xilent | xterm don't shows my keyboard, what can i do |
| 18:47.59 | pb___ | hm. so: |
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| 18:48.09 | pb___ | open("/usr/lib/libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 18:48.14 | [Rui] | waves... is the gsm firmware crashing to anyone else? |
| 18:48.19 | pb___ | it does seem to be looking for the file in the right place |
| 18:48.25 | Gnutoo | jones, ok i'll try to resolve the 4GB problem |
| 18:48.29 | pb___ | are you sure it exists there with exactly that filename? |
| 18:48.30 | [Rui] | I'm flashing with Om2008.8-update of today |
| 18:48.36 | [Rui] | hoping it doesn't crash anymore :( |
| 18:49.20 | tkep | checking now |
| 18:49.38 | LetoTo1 | i found 8-update to be less well then 8 |
| 18:49.50 | LetoTo1 | but i didnt try to install any packages yet. |
| 18:50.14 | LetoTo1 | still had trouble getting the GPS to work (without an sd card in the slot) and it didnt connect to by wifi either |
| 18:51.18 | Railer | hey anyone know the best place to sell my free runner? I can no long deal with rogers in canada |
| 18:52.37 | tkep | pb_, reinstall with -force-overwrite worked :) |
| 18:52.48 | pb___ | heh |
| 18:52.50 | uhsf | i agree, rogers sucks |
| 18:52.50 | pb___ | very good :-) |
| 18:52.54 | tkep | thanks for the help |
| 18:53.05 | tkep | i always have something stupid like that happening |
| 18:53.18 | Railer | anyone interested in a phone? good deal? |
| 18:53.31 | tkep | Railer, what phone? |
| 18:53.51 | tkep | and you'd think me troubleshooting clusters and lvs all day, i'd be smart enough to figure this out |
| 18:54.00 | Railer | free runner |
| 18:54.04 | tkep | of course, it now appears that the game is hanging |
| 18:54.14 | jones | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.21 | jones | Raiiler |
| 18:54.28 | Railer | I'm in Alberta Canada |
| 18:54.32 | tkep | Railer, how much? |
| 18:54.41 | Railer | 300? |
| 18:54.44 | jones | uk is a bit far for shipping |
| 18:55.00 | Railer | canadian |
| 18:55.15 | tkep | someone gimme a quick USD conversion? |
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| 18:55.27 | tkep | too lazy to fire up google |
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| 18:56.18 | Railer | 250 us |
| 18:56.51 | tkep | railer, i can likely find a buyer |
| 18:56.56 | tkep | gimme a second |
| 18:57.01 | jones | hell id pay that |
| 18:57.09 | tkep | works at red hat and there are a lot of people who want one |
| 18:57.42 | Railer | i should trade you for $400 in red hat swag :) |
| 18:58.11 | Railer | how much can you steal from the office |
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| 18:59.17 | [Rui] | so, no gsm firmware crash for anyone alive? |
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| 19:00.51 | tkep | Railer, hahaha--quite a bit i'm sure :) i have like 10 shirts in my closet and i've only been here since january |
| 19:01.16 | jones | thats just awesome |
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| 19:02.02 | jones | all i have is a collection of marker pens from my work |
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| 19:02.41 | moo--- | has anyone tried dvb-t usb adapters with openmoko? |
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| 19:04.12 | [Rui] | because after crashing, no more talky-talky on dear ol' moky ;) |
| 19:04.38 | tkep | Railer, i'm asking around right now |
| 19:05.08 | Raigedas | i have managed to ssh to my FR by changing it to other subnet. but i have very hard time making a bridge... |
| 19:05.26 | Railer | no rush I'll check back later |
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| 19:05.49 | Raigedas | i cannot setup so that FR could see outside world.. |
| 19:06.06 | Railer | I want some rh swag too now part of the deal |
| 19:06.55 | Dave | Railer! |
| 19:07.04 | Railer | dude! |
| 19:07.05 | Dave | :D |
| 19:07.57 | Railer | I'm giving up my phone man, just can't handle rogers any more |
| 19:07.58 | tkep | Railer, haha--if i can find someone to buy it here at RH, i promise some kind of swag |
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| 19:08.20 | tkep | there are some hits on our IRC channel right now |
| 19:08.24 | tkep | so we'll see where they go |
| 19:08.48 | Dave | oh |
| 19:08.58 | Dave | Railer, what exactly are you giving up? |
| 19:08.59 | Railer | I need swag, I teach networking and programming at a local college, Red Het swag gives me street cred! |
| 19:09.04 | Dave | a cellphone or a freerunner? |
| 19:09.08 | Dave | or your pride? |
| 19:09.17 | Railer | my free runner |
| 19:09.21 | Dave | :O |
| 19:09.23 | Dave | oh noes! |
| 19:09.39 | tkep | Railer, will you have another freerunner? |
| 19:09.45 | tkep | or are you dropping it completely? |
| 19:09.46 | Railer | nope |
| 19:09.47 | tkep | :( |
| 19:09.54 | tkep | indeed oh noes |
| 19:10.02 | Railer | switched to a aspire one and skype |
| 19:10.06 | [Rui] | Railer: U weak! |
| 19:11.04 | uhsf | with rogers i use their 100$ card that's good for one year |
| 19:11.40 | uhsf | i speak so little on the phone that it's enough for me |
| 19:11.46 | Railer | I know it sucks, but 70-80 a month on phone charges, and piss poor service cancelled rogers and had "words" with the management |
| 19:12.25 | Dave | :\ |
| 19:12.30 | Dave | poor railer |
| 19:12.36 | Railer | I'll try again in a year, when the os settles out and more competition for rogers |
| 19:12.56 | uhsf | i end up with 8$/month for the rare occasions i use the phone |
| 19:13.25 | wurp2|working | uhsf: Is there not any monthly charge for owning the number? |
| 19:13.35 | uhsf | not at all |
| 19:14.02 | Railer | Canada 10 years ago best phone structure in the world now with this monoploy terrible service and more 3rd would contries have better systems |
| 19:14.10 | uhsf | initial 25$ activation of the phone and that's it |
| 19:14.16 | wurp2|working | Nice. If it weren't for my need (well, desire) for internet, I might switch to a plan like that. |
| 19:14.37 | Dave | wurp! |
| 19:14.41 | wurp2|working | Dave! |
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| 19:20.10 | jmichel | uhsf: have you considere Petro-Canada wireless phone? |
| 19:20.28 | jmichel | uhsf: they have 20$ cards that last for 6 months |
| 19:20.57 | jmichel | uhsf: and calls are 20c a minute which if I'm not mistaken is less than Rogers |
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| 19:22.46 | LionKMP | Hi, I tried importing addressbook. Now I have a large black window "do you want to add them to your addressbook" and no buttons, nothing if I press "y", nothing. (2008.8 updated) |
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| 19:26.13 | [Rui] | oh noes.... I was just about to import my two hundred something contacts... |
| 19:26.38 | [Rui] | I'll be able to report if today's image can import it or not RSN :) |
| 19:26.48 | wurp2|working | lpotter: That reminds me... my contact list in Qtopia 4.3.2 on gta01 also only lists up partway through the 'L's, then no more. |
| 19:26.55 | [Rui] | well, an OK showed up, I pressed it, and there it goes importing... |
| 19:27.04 | lpotter | wurp2|working: thats odd |
| 19:27.11 | [Rui] | GSM firmware hasn't crashed *yet* wich is a good sign already |
| 19:28.00 | Zorkman_ | neig, if it ain't crashing, it's no freerunner to me |
| 19:28.00 | LionKMP | Rui: oh, I try an upgrade then |
| 19:28.28 | wurp2|working | lpotter: Did you see my earlier comments about charging on Qtopia? |
| 19:28.51 | wurp2|working | I can submit bug reports if you prefer, and if you point me to the URL :-) |
| 19:29.53 | lpotter | wurp2|working: yes. they have been fixed, but my changes have not been getting integrated to the snapshots |
| 19:30.06 | dolf1074 | lpotter, can you give me a date when 4.4 is coming? |
| 19:30.19 | lpotter | soon. :) |
| 19:30.29 | dolf1074 | but what is soon? 2 weeks? |
| 19:30.30 | lpotter | few weeks |
| 19:30.43 | lpotter | unless it doesnt build :) |
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| 19:30.51 | dolf1074 | okay |
| 19:31.00 | [Rui] | LionKMP: it was crashing on yours too? |
| 19:31.09 | dolf1074 | lpotter: I will not bother you a few weeks :p |
| 19:31.30 | LionKMP | Rui: no, I got a big black screen with question "do you wanna import" an no ways to answer. |
| 19:31.40 | lpotter | there are many many changes coming up... |
| 19:31.44 | [Rui] | now I go help my wife making dinner before Neo is sent through the window :D |
| 19:31.49 | [Rui] | lindi-: ah ok... |
| 19:31.59 | LionKMP | :) |
| 19:32.20 | dolf1074 | lpotter: can you update the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia#What_to_expect_in_the_next_release_.28Qtopia_4.4.29.3F list? |
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| 19:32.50 | LionKMP | I have image from 09.11. and opkg is installing tons of updates, it seems to update everything. |
| 19:32.52 | lpotter | wurp2|working: actually, the only thing qtyopia does for fast charge is provide a script to enable it. the system is most likely changing it back |
| 19:33.10 | lpotter | wurp2|working: the headphones thing has been fixed |
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| 19:35.01 | lpotter | dolf1074: add GPS api. usb net/storage change migth be if I can figure out why the system starts to crawl |
| 19:35.41 | lpotter | dolf1074: rotation is not automagic on neo, since there is no slide keyboard or such |
| 19:36.25 | |FiLiP| | Got a Trolltech email earlier today announcing a new version being available, but was for Qt ,not qtopia :-( |
| 19:36.38 | dolf1074 | lpotter: do you mean that rotation will not be default on? |
| 19:37.20 | lpotter | no, I mean that opening the keyboard (like on n810) wil lnot automatically rotate the display. but you can rotate it from the settings apps |
| 19:37.55 | dolf1074 | and it doesn't rotate on holding your freerunner the other way? |
| 19:38.15 | dolf1074 | (so reading the accelerometers) |
| 19:38.48 | [Rui] | after a call, still no gsm crash, promising :) |
| 19:39.17 | bipak | dolf1074: there are tools which implement that |
| 19:39.41 | lpotter | dolf1074: not yet, as there is no motion sensor api in qtopia yet |
| 19:39.41 | bipak | but for me it did not work very well.. |
| 19:39.51 | dolf1074 | bipak: also on qtopia? I didn't know gestures could be run on qtopia |
| 19:39.57 | bipak | oh you are talking about qtopia.. sorry |
| 19:40.27 | bipak | no, i don't think that qtopia knows the xrandr command *g* |
| 19:40.55 | lpotter | qtopia doesnt need xrandr |
| 19:41.12 | LionKMP | "Neo FreeRunner uses Evolution data server (eds) to save contacts. " -> is this true for 2008.8 too? |
| 19:41.54 | dolf1074 | lpotter: what do you mean by 'usb net/storage' |
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| 19:42.08 | lpotter | switching between them |
| 19:42.21 | |FiLiP| | lpotter: you said qtopia can rotate from settings app; is it instantaneous, or does it take several seconds ? in other words, is it possible to have a small external app read accelerometers and update that setting when turning the device ? |
| 19:43.02 | lpotter | oh ya, it is very possible. you can rotate using the rotationmanager service |
| 19:43.06 | max_posedon | |FiLiP|, yes, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Rotate |
| 19:43.53 | |FiLiP| | max_posedon: that app is not for qtopia, is it ? |
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| 19:44.27 | dolf1074 | lpotter: So http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia#What_to_expect_in_the_next_release_.28Qtopia_4.4.29.3F is updated well? |
| 19:44.36 | max_posedon | I tested under 2008.8, but I it is doesn't have UI at all, so it should work under qtopia |
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| 19:45.16 | lpotter | dolf1074: yes |
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| 19:46.59 | wurp2|working | lpotter: I don't understand the fastcharge thing, because I used to use my script, which just looks for a slow charge and then asks the user if they want to switch to fast charge |
| 19:47.11 | wurp2|working | lpotter: And it stayed on fast charge all night after setting it once |
| 19:48.00 | wurp2|working | The script doesn't reset back to fast charge if it gets switched to slow charge unless the user OKs it again. |
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| 19:50.41 | lpotter | dont know what to tell you. you can look at the scripts in Qtopia/bin/ it doesnt do anything but set it. |
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| 19:51.41 | lpotter | hmm.. maybe I have the wrong path for gta01 |
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| 19:52.20 | lpotter | wurp2|working: you have a gta01 correct? |
| 19:53.23 | LionKMP | can someone help with this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts#Mass_Delete |
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| 19:53.46 | LionKMP | questions: what sqllite client is available? how to shut down qtopia? |
| 19:54.05 | wurp2|working | lpotter: yes |
| 19:54.49 | LionKMP | and why does vi say "u" not implemented? Can I have a full VI somehow? |
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| 19:58.50 | mwester | lpotter: ping!!! |
| 19:58.57 | Chocky | mooooOSSSSSSSE! |
| 19:59.55 | [Rui] | rotate seems to be awfully sensitive :) |
| 20:00.14 | [Rui] | I'm trying to read my Peanuts collection and it's really hard, tilting all the time |
| 20:01.36 | wurp2|working | LionKMP: install debian :-) |
| 20:01.42 | LionKMP | .... |
| 20:01.46 | LionKMP | :) |
| 20:01.57 | LionKMP | sad |
| 20:02.29 | [Rui] | LionKMP: of course you can |
| 20:02.33 | [Rui] | LionKMP: opkg install vim |
| 20:02.57 | LionKMP | installing, oh, THANK YOU! :) |
| 20:03.37 | moo--- | Chocky: chooooooooocky |
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| 20:03.42 | LionKMP | don't you know the answer to the 2 questions above maybe? (I solved addressbook, DISPLAY=:0 was missing, but none of the contacts have name and phone #) |
| 20:03.51 | moo--- | I am not an OS |
| 20:04.09 | LionKMP | so I am trying the "mass delete" guide now, duno where is an sqlite client and how to stop qtopia. There are not much details on that help page. |
| 20:04.21 | LionKMP | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/VCard_import#Mass_Delete |
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| 20:11.23 | [Rui] | LionKMP: I don't do "mass delete" I flash regularly ;) |
| 20:11.26 | wurp2|working | lpotter: Hey, now qtopia is honoring my power management settings |
| 20:11.57 | LionKMP | Rui :) I don't want to. I have FR since 2 months now and still not using it for anything :-p |
| 20:13.04 | wurp2|working | I didn't do anything... it's been sitting connected to my desktop the whole time. I did receive a phone call on it between the last time I saw the screen was staying on and when I saw that it's shutting down the screen now. |
| 20:13.11 | slaxxin | why dont u just reflash it? |
| 20:13.29 | slaxxin | lion |
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| 20:13.59 | slaxxin | quit beating yo head on the wall too |
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| 20:14.48 | LionKMP | slaxxin: hehe yes many guys reinstall desktop too when some minor things go wrong. |
| 20:15.02 | slaxxin | install FDOM or something an use the sdcard for pics an map storage |
| 20:15.05 | LionKMP | having 92 contacts with no name and no phone # is not a reason. |
| 20:15.21 | LionKMP | :) |
| 20:15.35 | slaxxin | 2 months? |
| 20:16.21 | LionKMP | 2 months and 5 resinstalls already I think. :) |
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| 20:16.41 | Zorkman_ | only 5?? |
| 20:16.47 | LionKMP | :D |
| 20:16.49 | mwester | LionKMP: Your statement is true, in the case of a relatively stable release. In the case of anything else, there are no such guarantees. It has long been the norm, even in commercial software, that alpha or even beta quality software is not upgradable, and will probably require a total re-install. |
| 20:16.55 | Zoup | just 5 ? i did like 30 times |
| 20:16.56 | wurp2|working | LionKMP: I did 5 reinstalls in my first week or two :-) |
| 20:17.06 | sicu | meh, 2007.2, unlimited contacts with names and phone# |
| 20:17.14 | mwester | I reflash every few days; I *never* opkg upgrade; it's a recipe for disaster. |
| 20:17.24 | wurp2|working | mwester: Thank you! |
| 20:17.35 | Zoup | mwester: indeed , its really unstable |
| 20:17.45 | wurp2|working | I keep talking about flashing in here and hearing people ask me why the hell I'm flashing instead of upgrading |
| 20:17.56 | dolf1074 | I do upgrading |
| 20:18.00 | dolf1074 | it's working fine |
| 20:18.02 | wurp2|working | I was beginning to think I should try it |
| 20:18.04 | sicu | i've never tried upgrading ... flashing keeps me sane |
| 20:18.18 | mwester | I think it's Microsoft. They've taught us all that "updates" are to be done religiously, like washing your hands before each meal. |
| 20:18.20 | lindi- | mwester: how can you do any development that way? |
| 20:18.25 | Zoup | see ya around people |
| 20:18.33 | mwester | lindi-: How can you do development any OTHER way? |
| 20:18.39 | [Rui] | LionKMP: your problem, it's my daily phone |
| 20:18.39 | wurp2|working | Although... if you keep your data separate (anticipating the need for a reflash), it should be fine to upgrade |
| 20:18.43 | [Rui] | :) |
| 20:18.45 | wurp2|working | Then flash only if the upgrade fubars you |
| 20:19.39 | mwester | One of my pet peeves is that the bug-tracker is useless in many ways, because NOBODY knows what configuration the system with the failure was in. What version of what packages did it have that invoked the bug? You'll never ever know, because it depends on when and what order they did opkg updates, and what they started out with. |
| 20:19.53 | lindi- | mwester: if i hit a bug i recompile the package in question with debug symbols |
| 20:19.56 | mwester | You cannot do development, nor troubleshooting, while people are updating. |
| 20:20.21 | mwester | As do I. And copy the binaries. I don't put them in the feeds, nor opkg install from the feeds. |
| 20:21.03 | lindi- | mwester: of course in bug reports you mention version numbers |
| 20:21.13 | mwester | And all of this is complicated by the fact that not even Openmoko's build machines have configurations that are locked down, so even the package version for any non-trivial package, is not properly tracked. |
| 20:21.47 | wurp2|working | This is starting to sound like my "repeatable nightly build" bitch |
| 20:22.00 | [Rui] | mwester: well, the "hugely unprepared for" infrastructure didn't help :) |
| 20:22.11 | mwester | lindi-: And even if the version number *was* correct, tell me how you would go about installing busybox version X.y.z_git32985798789257932798237593223579243598257983475983975 |
| 20:22.19 | mwester | when that isn't even in the feeds anymore! |
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| 20:22.41 | lindi- | mwester: you probably already guessd i use debian :) |
| 20:22.44 | wurp2|working | mwester: Can't you pull the git version into a local repo? |
| 20:22.48 | mwester | And then, tell me if my current busybox is newer or older: busybox version X.y.z_git894375983479832759834987 |
| 20:23.08 | mwester | Yes, if I have access to the git repos, I can sort it all out. |
| 20:23.11 | wurp2|working | mwester: "older" and "newer" begin to lose meaning in git... |
| 20:23.29 | mwester | And end up spending MORE time doing configuration/version management than I spend on identifying and fixing the bug. |
| 20:23.53 | mwester | My point is that Om (and all distros) should be releasing snapshots, without updates. Rather like Qtopia does. |
| 20:23.58 | wurp2|working | So is kennyz playing D&D, or does he not want to be disturbed? |
| 20:24.00 | wurp2|working | Or both? |
| 20:24.08 | Zorkman_ | FDOM always gives a kernel panic here, anybody else has this error? |
| 20:24.10 | mwester | That way developers spend time FIXING instead of playing git. |
| 20:24.18 | mwester | </rant> :D |
| 20:24.23 | LionKMP | :) |
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| 20:25.42 | mwester | wurp2|working: btw, you are correct -- with git the concepts of linear versioning are very blurry, so it then becomes the responsibility of someone else to impose the idea of "newness" on the deliverable. Which is why the idea of using a git hash in a package version is conceptually flawed. |
| 20:25.50 | [Rui] | mwester: eek I hate that PoV |
| 20:26.03 | [Rui] | mwester: the problem is merely that the infrastructure wasn't ready |
| 20:26.09 | mwester | Yep. |
| 20:26.39 | mwester | They've only had two years to get the infrastructure ready, and they've only had the finest example of how to do it right with OE waiting in the wings to assist. |
| 20:29.11 | dolf1074 | mwester: But for me (as user), it is nicer to have updates. Than watch a year before there are any changes (like the gap between om2007.2 and om2008.8) |
| 20:29.55 | mwester | dolf1074: there's a middle ground. Again I'll point to Qtopia as an example: snapshots every time a significant feature or bugfix is available. |
| 20:30.43 | mwester | It's even more practical when you consider that it's really not very hard to write a script that could back up all the private data, and restore it after a new image is flashed. |
| 20:30.54 | Raigedas | people please look at layout of my network, and please tell me why my FR cannot ping to router 62.80.241.40 (says "Network is unreachable") http://raigedas.info/temp/net.png |
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| 20:35.57 | pb___ | mwester: or, indeed, put your data in a different partition which doesn't get reflashed. |
| 20:36.24 | mwester | :) Now that would make even more sense. Especially on the FR which has so much flash to begin with! |
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| 20:39.42 | TAsn | hey there |
| 20:40.03 | TAsn | i just saw that there are gyros on the fr |
| 20:40.12 | TAsn | are there also accelerometers? |
| 20:40.21 | viq | Those ARE accelerometers |
| 20:40.23 | wurp2|working | only accelerometers |
| 20:40.43 | TAsn | aren't accelerometers supposed to measure acceleration? |
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| 20:41.05 | wurp2|working | TAsn: Two accelerometers can measure orientation, except around the axis going through them |
| 20:41.07 | mwester | Yep |
| 20:41.32 | wurp2|working | I wish FR had a compass |
| 20:41.38 | TAsn | oh, because of gravity? i see ;] |
| 20:41.42 | wurp2|working | I might actually buy one, in that case |
| 20:41.43 | TAsn | wurp2|working, gps is almost as good. |
| 20:41.49 | wurp2|working | TAsn: Even w/o gravity |
| 20:41.57 | TAsn | how can they? |
| 20:42.14 | TAsn | i mean they have to know the up right position to know if something isn't. |
| 20:42.25 | viq | TAsn: acceleration on X axis, acceleration on Y axis. |
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| 20:42.32 | wurp2|working | TAsn: Actually, you're right. There will be drift, and over more than a few seconds, you won't know absolute orientation relative to any time more than a few seconds prior |
| 20:42.54 | wurp2|working | TAsn: But because of gravity, they always do know orientation relative to down |
| 20:43.08 | TAsn | wurp2|working, exactly. especially since im sure they aren't that precise |
| 20:43.11 | TAsn | wurp2|working, cool ;] |
| 20:43.20 | TAsn | im looking forward to playing with them :) |
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| 20:43.51 | viq | Hm, one of those "roll a ball" mazes could be interesting ;) |
| 20:44.18 | TAsn | nah. |
| 20:44.19 | budfive5 | that exists. check out neverball |
| 20:44.32 | TAsn | iphones and n95's took all the fun out of them;] |
| 20:45.04 | mwester | still likes the much simpler idea somebody had -- the FR should "scream" if it suddenly experiences zero-g -- and then make the sound of breaking glass when the accelerometers detect the sudden stop. |
| 20:45.30 | viq | hah |
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| 20:49.54 | mwester | lpotter is hiding... :-O |
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| 20:51.58 | lpotter | wurp2|working: pong |
| 20:52.07 | lpotter | naa. had to talk to the wife |
| 20:52.14 | pb___ | hi ljp |
| 20:52.39 | lpotter | hey how it pb? |
| 20:53.44 | pb___ | yeah, very good. |
| 20:54.01 | pb___ | my wife is trying to persuade me that we should take a trip to new zealand for christmas. |
| 20:54.18 | dolf1074 | sorry, I have to ask it to you: Do you work for trolltech or for openmoko? And is your primary task to get qtopia on the freerunner? Or is it some side task of you? |
| 20:55.00 | dolf1074 | that was a question to lpotter ;) |
| 20:55.24 | lpotter | dolf1074: I work for Trolltech |
| 20:56.09 | dolf1074 | And your job is fixing qtopia for the neo? |
| 20:56.13 | lpotter | I wouldnt call qtopia on neo my primary task, but it certainly takes up a lot of my time |
| 20:56.46 | wurp2|working | lpotter: How many other devs working on qtopia? Or is that top secret? |
| 20:56.56 | lpotter | but things are changing. and I am now takin gon telepathy |
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| 20:57.04 | dolf1074 | Nice of trolltech that they to that. (especially because they are a part of Nokia) |
| 20:57.26 | lpotter | wurp2|working: around 30, if you dont count QA or qt embedded |
| 20:58.09 | mwester | implores lpotter to share his 4.3.3 patches... |
| 20:58.17 | lpotter | pb___: visit brisbane, and you can stay in my house. |
| 20:58.29 | wurp2|working | wow, that's more than I expected |
| 20:58.45 | lpotter | just have to put up with 2 small kids that dont like to sleep or be quiet |
| 20:58.55 | wurp2|working | lpotter: Is there another kind of small kid? |
| 20:59.10 | lpotter | wurp2|working: maemo has about 10 times that amount |
| 20:59.18 | wurp2|working | holy shit |
| 20:59.22 | lpotter | wurp2|working: yes. some kids actually sleep |
| 21:00.48 | wurp2|working | lpotter: Oh, mine sleep. It's just getting them started sleeping that's the trick. |
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| 21:01.54 | lpotter | nothinbg that a shot of JD wont help! ;) |
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| 21:03.16 | wurp2|working | So I can have drunken hyperactive kids running around? |
| 21:03.49 | pb___ | lpotter: heh, sounds like fun. gotta try to find some flights that we can afford first, though. |
| 21:04.07 | lpotter | good luck. |
| 21:04.09 | pb___ | seems to have gotten a lot more expensive to fly down there than it was a few years ago when I was at lca |
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| 21:04.27 | harnir | hello |
| 21:04.32 | lpotter | ya, fuel 'surcharges' |
| 21:05.03 | lpotter | still, NZ at xmas will be beautiful |
| 21:05.54 | pb___ | yeah, so I hear. my wife has some friends from the UK who moved down there, they keep emailing us and raving about what a great place it is. |
| 21:05.57 | harnir | I tested FDOM for a while... It looks like touch screen synchronization in landscape mode works good. Anybody knows what do I have to do to make it work in 2007.2? Copy /etc/pointercal? update Xglamo? |
| 21:07.08 | pb___ | it's a shame I can't get more time off work, it would be nice to go there for a month or two. |
| 21:08.11 | pb___ | anyway, bedtime for me now |
| 21:08.19 | pb___ | good night |
| 21:11.11 | lpotter | need to work for Nokia |
| 21:11.28 | lpotter | i have more time off than I want |
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| 21:12.00 | queueRAM | how much time off do you get? |
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| 21:14.52 | lpotter | lots |
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| 21:15.15 | lpotter | 25 days a year I believe. |
| 21:15.49 | queueRAM | wow |
| 21:15.58 | lpotter | might be 20 though |
| 21:16.13 | lpotter | plus I get 'long service leave' |
| 21:16.26 | queueRAM | what is that? |
| 21:16.38 | lpotter | working for trolltech 5 years |
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| 21:16.54 | lpotter | that 4 more weeks off |
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| 21:19.04 | queueRAM | that's a pretty good deal |
| 21:19.13 | lpotter | yep |
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| 21:24.13 | Dave | So where are the text messages stored in 2007? |
| 21:24.27 | Dave | Someone said something about just copying a particular directory? |
| 21:25.38 | wurp2|working | Dave: I think in an evolution db |
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| 21:30.03 | Dave | but where is it located |
| 21:30.18 | Dave | it seems the contacts are located in one under the ~/.evolution dir |
| 21:30.20 | Dave | but not the sms |
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| 21:35.32 | wurp2|working | Dave: Sorry, dunno :-( |
| 21:35.47 | wurp2|working | Is lsof installed in 2007.2? |
| 21:39.15 | Dave | :| |
| 21:39.21 | Dave | yesyes |
| 21:39.31 | mwester | has always found his incoming SMSs in ~/.evolution |
| 21:39.51 | Dave | all I have is addressbook calender memo and tasks |
| 21:41.28 | ronny | hmm, it would be neat to have conduit target support for openmoko |
| 21:42.01 | ronny | (conduit is a sync tool for varius things like contacts, files, notes) |
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| 22:10.22 | tessier_ | Hello all! |
| 22:10.39 | edistar | hello tessier_! |
| 22:10.50 | tessier_ | How's the openmoko software doing? Stabilized yet? I bought a freerunner a couple months ago but it's not really usable yet. |
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| 22:11.08 | edistar | tessier_: qtopia is quite stable |
| 22:11.29 | tessier_ | edistar: And usable? As a phone and text messaging etc? How does the web browser work/ |
| 22:11.32 | tessier_ | I need to flash mine I guess. |
| 22:12.06 | edistar | tessier_: no webserver, but the rest is very usable |
| 22:12.48 | jones[away] | is calling working |
| 22:13.00 | edistar | s/webserver/browser |
| 22:13.12 | edistar | jones: yes |
| 22:13.35 | jones | seriously? |
| 22:13.47 | edistar | quite, yes |
| 22:13.53 | jones | damn i wwas rechecking the wiki forgot to look that up |
| 22:13.58 | tessier_ | edistar: No web browser? How about wifi/gps? |
| 22:14.10 | jones | is that with 2008.8 |
| 22:14.14 | edistar | tessier_: nothing of that sort either I think |
| 22:14.19 | edistar | jones: no, qtopia |
| 22:14.28 | edistar | tessier_: just basic phone stuff that is working |
| 22:14.41 | jones | thats really what i want |
| 22:15.31 | jones | i want a stable stack to work on, when i was reading things about no call quality but encrypted email working i did wonder about goals |
| 22:15.36 | georgy_28_ | and battery life ? |
| 22:15.47 | edistar | georgy_28_: about 2-3 days with suspend |
| 22:16.07 | jones | im gonna have to order on tuesday then |
| 22:16.17 | jones | gotta love student loan day |
| 22:16.27 | edistar | n8 everyone |
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| 22:44.31 | Dave | moko moko moko |
| 22:44.46 | Wonka | moko my ass |
| 22:46.51 | TAsn | hey |
| 22:47.07 | TAsn | does anyone here know the encoding that's used on sms in languages other than english? |
| 22:48.32 | hipitihop | someone mentioned neverball before, is that something we have on fr yet ? |
| 22:49.15 | Wonka | TAsn: http://www.dreamfabric.com/sms/ |
| 22:56.06 | Dave | Wonka ;p |
| 22:56.17 | Dave | So do either of you recollect where the sms messages are stored on the phone? |
| 22:56.39 | Dave | (om) |
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| 23:00.42 | TAsn | Dave, nope. |
| 23:00.49 | TAsn | Wonka, thanks btw. |
| 23:01.00 | Dave | :[ |
| 23:01.04 | Wonka | np |
| 23:01.10 | Dave | Wonka wonka? |
| 23:02.08 | Wonka | hah. my "powerbutton-daemon" works. |
| 23:02.28 | Wonka | powerbutton press and release in less than 3s starts gpe-taskmanager |
| 23:02.41 | Wonka | aux button toggles matchbox-keyboard |
| 23:02.52 | Wonka | matchbox-desktop runs anyway |
| 23:03.14 | Dave | What is this on? 2008? |
| 23:03.18 | Wonka | debian |
| 23:03.21 | Dave | haha |
| 23:03.27 | Dave | nice? |
| 23:03.31 | Dave | I guess it's better than nothing ;) |
| 23:03.53 | TAsn | Wonka, do you know a bit of python? |
| 23:03.57 | Wonka | i got a working gps device :) |
| 23:03.59 | Dave | hahaha |
| 23:04.04 | Dave | hides |
| 23:04.05 | Wonka | TAsn: "a bit" is quite correct |
| 23:04.13 | TAsn | damn ;\ |
| 23:04.23 | Wonka | Dave: damn gemalto 3g sim problem... |
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| 23:04.40 | TAsn | im trying to figure out how to get single bytes out of a string. |
| 23:04.54 | Dave | Hmm? |
| 23:05.00 | Dave | heh |
| 23:06.49 | max_posedon | TAsn, I successfuly read russians sms, with latest FDOM image. |
| 23:07.08 | TAsn | max_posedon, i can read hebrew sms with gtk |
| 23:07.24 | TAsn | though im trying to write a python script and the fact that sms are in ucs |
| 23:07.26 | TAsn | 2 |
| 23:07.30 | TAsn | does not make it easy ;] |
| 23:08.47 | max_posedon | hm, qtopia messages works well in FDOM...., pure that in latest qtopia image it doesn't. |
| 23:09.40 | Dave | heh |
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| 23:18.50 | lpotter | sms works fine in qtopia for me. |
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| 23:19.07 | bricode | Is there a way to kill zhone |
| 23:19.27 | bricode | from zhone itself? |
| 23:19.56 | TAsn | not that i know of |
| 23:19.59 | lpotter | max_posedon: what doesn't work in qtopia? |
| 23:20.05 | TAsn | though you can just go the illume and close it from there. |
| 23:21.16 | bricode | That's neat. When running zhone as an App on top of gpe (don't ask) if you exit zhone, it shuts off the handheld. |
| 23:23.15 | bricode | TAsn: Illume? What image is that? |
| 23:23.22 | TAsn | fso |
| 23:23.32 | hipitihop | runs off to get some work done. Has been wrestling with virus/trojans for 4 days. waves to the troop |
| 23:23.33 | TAsn | bricode, what image are you using? |
| 23:23.43 | bricode | TAsn: FSO on top of Debian. |
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| 23:23.54 | TAsn | oh ;) |
| 23:24.01 | TAsn | xkill? ;] |
| 23:24.07 | ronny | hmm |
| 23:24.19 | bricode | TAsn: I was hoping to kill it using the GUI. |
| 23:24.19 | ronny | how can i figure how much power my usb ports can provide |
| 23:24.36 | ronny | and how can i set it up, so i can start my fr without a battery |
| 23:24.43 | ronny | (from the laptop) |
| 23:24.54 | bricode | TAsn: That way you can run zhone as an app with a different window manager. |
| 23:25.12 | TAsn | i c. |
| 23:31.08 | Sascha | bricode: <Alt>c (matchbox) |
| 23:32.26 | bricode | Sascha: Slick. Thanks. |
| 23:34.34 | TAsn | bricode, do you use other than english langs for sms? |
| 23:34.55 | bricode | TAsn: At the moment, no. |
| 23:35.12 | Sascha | bricode: the location of the config file is /etc/matchbox/kbdconfig ;) |
| 23:35.19 | TAsn | i c, thanks. |
| 23:38.00 | bricode | curses OSX and the USB<->FR drivers. |
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| 23:47.26 | TAsn | wow i really don't get what's happening with this stupid unicode and python ;\ |
| 23:55.39 | Dave | hrm |
| 23:55.42 | Dave | stupid evolution |
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| 23:59.45 | mwester | bugs lpotter again for the sms patch in 4.3.3 |
