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| 00:07.11 | hipitihop | waves good morning to the residents |
| 00:08.49 | hipitihop | have the fso M3 X11 restart issues been sorted and do we finally have valid feeds ? |
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| 00:13.48 | hipitihop | can someone tell if the debian stack can be flashed or must this run off sd ? |
| 00:13.59 | hipitihop | on gta02 |
| 00:15.55 | edistar | hipitihop: flash is too small atm |
| 00:16.11 | edistar | I'd say |
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| 00:17.05 | hipitihop | I see |
| 00:17.46 | TAsn | after i erased my sim contacts, i got contacts working in fso |
| 00:18.04 | TAsn | i wonder how i can clear my sim card messages. |
| 00:18.06 | TAsn | if possible. |
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| 00:21.25 | jaj | edistar: but flash is bigger than the SD card, isn't it? at least the SD card that comes with the neo |
| 00:22.14 | TAsn | if you are talking about debian |
| 00:22.16 | TAsn | it is bigger. |
| 00:22.45 | edistar | jaj: flash isn't bigger than 512mb? I thought it was 128mb |
| 00:23.25 | jaj | edistar: right, I just checked, I was sure it was bigger but you're right, sorry... |
| 00:23.33 | edistar | ok.. |
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| 00:24.24 | TAsn | i also read in the wiki that flash is bigger than 512 |
| 00:24.36 | TAsn | anyhow, where can i find an ebook about dbus? |
| 00:25.27 | edistar | an ebook? |
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| 00:26.31 | kelvie | on that topic, what's a good ebook reader (gutenberg style books) in OE? |
| 00:26.50 | edistar | wasn't there gutenflash or so? |
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| 00:27.37 | kelvie | not sure |
| 00:28.12 | edistar | there was something on the ml |
| 00:30.23 | jaj | kelvie: perhaps FBReader? |
| 00:31.30 | kelvie | jaj: don't see it on OE |
| 00:31.46 | kelvie | oh wait I was in the wrong dir :P |
| 00:33.08 | jaj | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FBReader looks nice |
| 00:35.22 | wurp2|working | Does anyone know if the phone functionality works on gta01 in Qtopia 4.3.2? |
| 00:35.43 | wurp2|working | It seems hard to believe that it wouldn't, but per their release note: UG 197301: SIM Applications are not supported on the Neo 1973 in this release. |
| 00:36.22 | edistar | wurp2|working: looks like it |
| 00:36.58 | wurp2|working | edistar: Looks as if it doesn't work? That was my reading, too, but I wouldn't expect lpotter to release something like that :-) |
| 00:38.01 | kelvie | SIM applications are apps you can load on the sim, aren't they? |
| 00:38.14 | TAsn | kelvie, im using epdfview |
| 00:38.18 | wurp2|working | kelvie: Hmm, maybe so |
| 00:38.20 | TAsn | works nice. |
| 00:38.21 | jaj | perhaps there's a missunderstanding here. qtopia has an application which is called "Sim Applications" and I think it's used for additional SIM features by your provider |
| 00:38.32 | wurp2|working | jaj: Oh, great, thanks!! |
| 00:38.45 | edistar | wurp2|working: ah, of course.. sim apps run on the native 'java-like' sim chip |
| 00:38.49 | wurp2|working | I'll burn it & let you guys know |
| 00:38.54 | wurp2|working | :-) |
| 00:39.26 | kelvie | TAsn: does that work with gutenberg txt files? |
| 00:39.28 | kelvie | or just pdfs? :p |
| 00:39.52 | TAsn | haven't checked |
| 00:39.53 | TAsn | ;\ |
| 00:40.05 | TAsn | anyhow it's cool |
| 00:40.11 | edistar | heh |
| 00:40.11 | TAsn | the only thing annoying is moving to next page |
| 00:40.24 | TAsn | which requires the button in the toolbar |
| 00:40.30 | TAsn | which takes screen space |
| 00:40.53 | TAsn | anyhow, are there any cool e-books about dbus? |
| 00:41.08 | TAsn | i wanna read on the moko ;0 |
| 00:41.32 | TAsn | it's a karma thing, the moko let's me read about dbus and i dev for it in return :) |
| 00:43.11 | kelvie | hmm.. odd; fbreader didn't create an fbreader opk |
| 00:43.15 | kelvie | just the dbg and dev ones |
| 00:43.39 | kelvie | oh nevermind it's elsewhere |
| 00:47.27 | TAsn | toobad the front panel is so bulky ;( |
| 00:47.35 | TAsn | i can't reach the corners with my fingers |
| 00:47.49 | TAsn | and in certain angles even not with the stylus |
| 00:47.59 | TAsn | gn ;\ |
| 00:51.06 | jaj | TAsn: yeah that problem was already reported when gta01 came out |
| 00:51.43 | jaj | I guess it's not easy to fix or else they would have done it for the freerunner |
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| 00:54.05 | kelvie | mm the fonts are screwed up in fbreader |
| 00:57.34 | edistar | fix it |
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| 01:14.55 | wurp2|working | Well, Qtopia 4.3.2 on gta01 is pulling in sms, at least |
| 01:17.30 | wurp2|working | calls are good too |
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| 01:21.11 | jaj | wurp2|working: if you find out how to use the media player please let me know ;) |
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| 01:35.07 | ljp | whats so hard about using the mediaplayer? |
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| 01:39.53 | slaxxin | yea |
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| 01:40.06 | slaxxin | i need som music |
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| 01:50.37 | else58 | on os2008.8-updates, I can manually get wpa_supplicant to work if i kill the dbus (-u) version and quickly start it manually with the correct options |
| 01:51.06 | else58 | I can't find where the -u version is being started (and restarted) |
| 01:51.14 | else58 | any help? |
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| 02:05.37 | stevenSn | else58: conman starts it (I think) |
| 02:07.17 | stevenSn | else58: I leave wifi off in the settings menu and have lint-wifi start wpa_supplicant |
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| 02:18.55 | else58 | stevenSn, Thanks, I found Moblin Connection Manager |
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| 02:56.05 | parodyoflanguage | I wonder. Is it possible to record conversations on neo phones? |
| 02:56.34 | parodyoflanguage | (And, everytime I say Neo, I think of the Matrix. And "Free runner" makes me think parkour.) |
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| 02:58.02 | ljp | freerunner makes me think of Logan's Run |
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| 03:20.38 | GNUtoo | hello, i've a question on how to charge the openmokl: do i need to keep it on or can it be suspended or shut down? |
| 03:21.00 | GNUtoo | s/openmok1/freerunner |
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| 03:33.27 | SpeedEvil | It should charge when suspended. |
| 03:33.41 | SpeedEvil | If it doesn't, that's a bug. |
| 03:34.03 | SpeedEvil | Try unsuspending and plugging in, don't just plug in |
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| 03:39.11 | Toaster` | is there any software to take voice notes for the FR? |
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| 03:39.39 | Toaster` | ideally using the hands free mike, but anything can work |
| 03:39.55 | slaxxin | i have FDOM 09132008 installed how is it that the media player looks for songs? |
| 03:41.08 | slaxxin | i have the files on sdcard |
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| 03:45.24 | data_jepp | slaxxin: Put the songs on /media/card, then restart the phone. |
| 03:46.53 | slaxxin | ok |
| 03:46.58 | johnsu01 | hmph, qtopia snapshots have just removed the smtp auth settings... kinda hard to send email that way. |
| 03:58.17 | ljp | johnsu01: just add in -ssl to devices/ficgta01/configure |
| 03:58.48 | johnsu01 | ljp: I was thinking about that, but why is auth plain gone now? |
| 03:59.13 | ljp | dont know |
| 03:59.16 | ljp | its easy to add |
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| 04:02.48 | johnsu01 | ljp: hm, actually, looks like I did build with ssl |
| 04:03.49 | johnsu01 | at least -ssl is listed as default and there is no -no-ssl in the device configure file |
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| 04:08.25 | ljp | do you have the openssl headers in your toolchain? |
| 04:08.42 | ljp | the toolchain at qtopia.net has not yet been updated |
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| 04:11.59 | johnsu01 | ljp: hm, I guess I don't then, because that's the one I'm using. |
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| 04:18.51 | ljp | I would just update the toolchain there, but that machine is experiencing disk IO errors, and we are in the middle of transfering things elsewhere. |
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| 04:23.10 | johnsu01 | ljp: cool, I just went back to your released snapshot and sending email works fine again for now |
| 04:23.45 | ljp | i build those myself, so I know nothing funny is being done |
| 04:24.41 | ljp | and I can add stuff not in the qtopia sources, like qterminal |
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| 04:31.15 | slaxxin | is ogg the prefered music format for the freerunner? |
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| 04:34.07 | Pyrasi | so in qtopia media player...how do you tell it where to look for music? |
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| 04:37.39 | Pyrasi | anyone know? |
| 04:37.53 | johnsu01 | it seems to find it automatically for me |
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| 04:38.55 | Pyrasi | do you have it on a media/card/music? |
| 04:39.07 | Pyrasi | or something similar? |
| 04:39.10 | Pyrasi | or is it in the flash |
| 04:39.13 | johnsu01 | no, just on the flash |
| 04:39.21 | johnsu01 | I was about to try putting some of it on the card though |
| 04:39.40 | Pyrasi | hmmm |
| 04:39.50 | Pyrasi | there has to be a config file for the paths somewhere |
| 04:40.59 | slaxxin | * nimpo has quit (SendQ exceeded) |
| 04:40.59 | slaxxin | <data_jepp> slaxxin: Put the songs on /media/card, then restart the phone. |
| 04:40.59 | slaxxin | <slaxxin> ok |
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| 04:41.11 | mwester | ljp: instructions for building the qtopia toolchain -- do they exist somewhere? |
| 04:42.45 | slaxxin | i guess the freerunner automounts the correct dir even though i didnt specify it |
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| 04:43.28 | Pyrasi | soo....how do you get rid of the patch to u-boot that tells it to try and boot from the sd card by default (for the debian install). I formatted my card and tried to reflash uboot....but the patch still seems to be there |
| 04:43.33 | slaxxin | and it also was /media/card/music an it still located automaticly |
| 04:43.52 | Pyrasi | hmmm...cool...im restarting my moko now |
| 04:44.23 | slaxxin | this is FDOM 09132008 |
| 04:44.58 | Pyrasi | thats what i just flashed actually |
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| 04:45.06 | slaxxin | i like it |
| 04:45.33 | Pyrasi | yea....i installed a few other things and changed some stuff around....but its definately a HUGE time saver from setting all that up manually |
| 04:45.35 | slaxxin | ordering some extra sdcards |
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| 04:46.18 | slaxxin | i cant figure out how to stop a song in the media player though |
| 04:46.23 | Pyrasi | a few probs i still have with it though....it doesnt get ALL of the contacts on my sim card....just a random number of em. and Bluetooth never comes back after a suspend |
| 04:47.55 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.09 | slaxxin | ? |
| 04:49.05 | Pyrasi | I have a very LARGE number of contacts on my sim card....just from my previous phone that ive had for like 5 years..... But when it trys to pull em in..its like it gives up on importing them....sometimes only after a few of em |
| 04:49.38 | slaxxin | oic |
| 04:49.48 | slaxxin | well i only have a few |
| 04:50.40 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.52 | Pyrasi | hmm |
| 04:50.57 | slaxxin | might just be me |
| 04:51.29 | AntonTakk | slaxxin: last i tried qtopia, the only way to stop the media player was to reboot the phone |
| 04:51.42 | slaxxin | ic |
| 04:53.04 | Pyrasi | haha |
| 04:53.06 | Pyrasi | note to self |
| 04:53.08 | ljp | mwester: toolchain is an OM one |
| 04:53.19 | slaxxin | sound quality on 2007.2 was better than this but it might be because im using ogg files |
| 04:53.43 | AntonTakk | nothing wrong with ogg files, unless they are encoded poorly |
| 04:54.06 | mwester | Ah, ok. Now the question is: which one (old 2007.2, new 2008.8), and what special options might one need? |
| 04:54.08 | slaxxin | well it was my first attempt lets put it that way |
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| 04:54.25 | AntonTakk | slaxxin: what app did you use? |
| 04:54.37 | slaxxin | i dont rember |
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| 04:54.46 | slaxxin | em* |
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| 04:55.44 | slaxxin | something on slackware |
| 04:56.12 | slaxxin | no i just copy the ogg files from cd |
| 04:56.34 | slaxxin | thats why i dont remember |
| 04:57.08 | slaxxin | i messed with alsamixer a little |
| 04:57.24 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.03 | slaxxin | sounds like a very cheap am radio from 1973 |
| 04:58.22 | slaxxin | imagine that |
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| 04:59.58 | ljp | I should try using the OM toolchain... |
| 05:00.11 | ljp | mwester: I mean OE one form ages ago |
| 05:00.13 | ljp | from |
| 05:01.39 | niklauz | so whats the next big milestone? |
| 05:02.10 | mwester | Well if it's OE I feel better that it's reproducable :-) I have no problem with a binary toolchain, as long as its what the primary developers are using. |
| 05:02.14 | niklauz | even after looking around i didn't see dates or feature targets |
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| 05:02.55 | Pyrasi | haha....yea....you cant close media player....from the gui |
| 05:03.16 | kelvie | my brother and I noticed that too... is that intentional? |
| 05:03.31 | Pyrasi | i dunno....sounds like a job for kill -9 though |
| 05:03.34 | kelvie | something akin to like itunes always running on the iphone |
| 05:03.48 | kelvie | do a regular kill before trying the -9 :P |
| 05:04.00 | Pyrasi | i guess i COULD...lol |
| 05:05.41 | Pyrasi | hmmm...well its not really taking much cpu when you arent playing something |
| 05:05.49 | Pyrasi | i wonder if it survives a suspend.... |
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| 05:07.35 | Pyrasi | booo |
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| 05:14.08 | slaxxin | yea we got bugs |
| 05:14.20 | raster | there are no bugs |
| 05:14.25 | raster | just unexpected features |
| 05:15.06 | ljp | heh |
| 05:15.18 | ljp | i agree with raster |
| 05:15.51 | raster | unexpectedly hands ljp a beer |
| 05:15.54 | raster | see |
| 05:15.55 | raster | a "bug" |
| 05:15.56 | raster | :) |
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| 05:17.18 | ljp | prefers a bundaberg |
| 05:18.12 | raster | takes the beer away ... bug-- |
| 05:18.27 | raster | replaces the beer slot with a bundy |
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| 05:27.11 | mdale | is there a quick way to export contacts ? |
| 05:27.27 | mdale | ah :) |
| 05:28.01 | mdale | I will try whats on the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts page ;) |
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| 05:30.45 | mwester | googles "bundaberg" |
| 05:32.13 | raster | mwester: bundaberg rum |
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| 05:42.15 | ljp | queenslands finest |
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| 05:45.29 | raster | ljp: finer that qtopia? |
| 05:46.57 | mwester | will stick with water for now... soon it will be Monday morning, and no point in making morning worse than it has to be. |
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| 05:49.11 | mwester | WARNING: Your perl has a bug with output and UTF-8 |
| 05:49.27 | mwester | Hrmmph. There are NO bugs in Perl. |
| 05:51.07 | mwester | Heck, if OM had implemented 2007.2 in Perl, it would have been completed long ago. (nobody could ever maintain it, but it would have been done!) |
| 05:52.15 | raster | if done right - it'd be 1 regex |
| 05:52.28 | raster | combined with cunning use of eval() |
| 05:53.09 | mwester | and one call to some perlgtk function. |
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| 05:54.28 | mwester | wonders if there's an enlightenment binding for Perl |
| 05:55.06 | raster | there are for imlib2... |
| 05:55.07 | mwester | etk-perl? |
| 05:55.07 | raster | thats it |
| 05:55.22 | raster | new to me if there is |
| 05:55.23 | raster | :) |
| 05:55.37 | raster | efl resists becoming a regex |
| 05:55.43 | raster | it is highly resistant |
| 05:55.44 | raster | :) |
| 05:56.05 | mwester | ;) I knew there just had to be something for you to dislike more intensely than python! |
| 05:57.07 | raster | nah |
| 05:57.12 | raster | i suspect i may hate perl less |
| 05:57.13 | raster | :) |
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| 05:57.30 | Bill | raster: java ? :P |
| 05:57.39 | raster | i think lisp is close to beating out python... |
| 05:57.42 | raster | actually yes |
| 05:57.47 | raster | java definitely beats it |
| 05:58.00 | hil__ | go lisp! |
| 05:58.04 | hil__ | :) |
| 05:58.05 | raster | thats a very personal level of hate between me and java |
| 05:58.18 | Bill | lisp and haskell and other esoteric dysfunctional languages don't count.. they are anyway for academic use only |
| 05:58.54 | raster | yup |
| 05:58.55 | mwester | Hmm... there are Qt bindings for Perl. I wonder if Perl could talk to the display on Qtopia? |
| 05:59.05 | raster | tho some people have tried to foist lisp onto us |
| 05:59.12 | raster | (emacs, gimp... script-fu, ....) |
| 05:59.40 | mwester | They managed to make a darn good operating system --- er, I mean text editor with lisp. |
| 06:00.35 | Bill | mwester: remind me.. what did emacs stand for in the beginning of it all? "Eight megabytes and constantly swapping" ? |
| 06:02.03 | ljp | better than 'very infantile' |
| 06:02.36 | raster | hahahaha |
| 06:03.03 | mwester | We need both, in truth. A computer without vi would be like an operating system without a bootloader. |
| 06:03.20 | hil__ | considers if it's rude to copy stuff from openmoko-cdevel and paste it in openmoko |
| 06:03.27 | hil__ | i'm trying to build a custom kernel with the patches. . i've changed the linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb to include the patches in SRC_URI. the problem is that make build-package-linux builds only 2.6.21 kernel and just wouldn't go to 2.6.24. I've changed the PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel to linux-openmoko and PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-openmoko to 2.6.24+git ... no luck |
| 06:03.28 | ljp | only reason I know vi is that busybox includes it |
| 06:03.33 | raster | considers porting emacs to a bootloader |
| 06:04.03 | mwester | thnks it would hardly be noticed if added to u-boot |
| 06:04.04 | ljp | considers when e17 will ever be released |
| 06:04.28 | raster | ljp: one... day.... :) |
| 06:05.18 | ljp | soon |
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| 06:06.32 | raster | ljp: well.. i was going h to dig into it... as i was an happily unemployed bum for 2 days |
| 06:06.40 | raster | then someone decided they needed my help :) |
| 06:06.50 | raster | and so i'm busy being a bit of a whore |
| 06:06.50 | raster | :) |
| 06:07.06 | mwester | You're employed already - congrats (I think). |
| 06:07.17 | raster | and more people knocking at that door now too. i need to possibly start hiring,,, |
| 06:07.27 | raster | mwester: not "employed" |
| 06:07.33 | raster | not an employee |
| 06:07.39 | raster | i'm a professional whore |
| 06:07.46 | mwester | Ah yes. |
| 06:07.58 | raster | (ie just get paid for my time... but.. that does not buy you my love :)) |
| 06:08.00 | mwester | Painful when you have to do taxes (at least it was here) |
| 06:08.00 | raster | :) |
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| 06:08.40 | raster | (it buys you a semblance of my love... good enough for doing the deed) |
| 06:08.46 | raster | hmm |
| 06:08.47 | raster | taxes. |
| 06:08.50 | raster | yes... well... |
| 06:08.55 | raster | that is another matter of pain. |
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| 06:49.25 | methril | G' morning |
| 06:55.43 | beni_ | morning |
| 06:55.53 | beni_ | ho long do your freerunners last with suspend? |
| 06:56.05 | beni_ | i have the third day now, the second with empty battery |
| 06:56.19 | beni_ | (beeing at 0% for about 36hrs now) |
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| 07:00.26 | ljp | about 3 days non use |
| 07:00.40 | beni_ | yes, okay. |
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| 07:06.41 | beni_ | does anybody else have problems with gpsd (or tangogps?) not beeing able to read GPS signals in FSO-MS3? |
| 07:07.11 | beni_ | if i cat /dev/ttySAC1 i got signals, but tangogps doesnt seem to ever get that data |
| 07:07.24 | beni_ | (i adjusted the config of gpsd) |
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| 07:32.02 | Zoup | after last upgrades Fdom seems broken , dialer does not work , enlg errors |
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| 07:39.01 | nimpo | anyone got a /etc/opkg/trusted.gpg file? from where? |
| 07:39.07 | beni_ | hm, in FSO autosuspend does not work here |
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| 07:45.56 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:53.32 | hil__ | does anyone know how I can find out from within the Freerunner which distribution it's running (om2007.2 or om2008.8)? |
| 07:54.02 | hil__ | i thought it was om2008.8 but the screenshots on the wiki look very different from the gui on my device |
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| 08:16.16 | beni_ | hm, my Xserver doesnt start anymore. |
| 08:16.34 | beni_ | moko says (terminal screen) that there is a bad checksum in jffs2 root fs |
| 08:16.40 | beni_ | can i do some sort of fsck? |
| 08:16.46 | lpotter | ehh dont need no stinkin X |
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| 08:22.00 | beni_ | lpotter: do you use your moko ssh-only? ;) |
| 08:22.51 | lpotter | nope |
| 08:23.22 | lpotter | there are other ways to show a window besides X |
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| 08:24.36 | beni_ | lpotter: so, tell me :D |
| 08:24.49 | lpotter | qws! |
| 08:27.41 | Seadog | wow, the pen that comes with the freerunner is amazing |
| 08:28.01 | tc | [#amo] |
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| 08:32.57 | lpotter | Seadog: thats the best thing about it! |
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| 08:38.42 | CM_work | has lost the pen and is using a large toothpick as a stylus |
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| 09:08.50 | zlfita | beni |
| 09:09.09 | zlfita | beni_: there is linux framebuffer, anything can be shown there directly |
| 09:09.43 | zlfita | but then existing x apps will be incompatible, X makes things easier |
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| 09:34.54 | v29a | hi there. can anyone (maybe a device owner) give me a raw status report on "what works and what doesnt" or provide me a link where i can read about it? it seems all the information is a little "scattered" |
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| 09:36.35 | Bish_ | v29a: evrythink works, if u make it work |
| 09:36.42 | v29a | %-) |
| 09:36.46 | v29a | i know |
| 09:36.53 | v29a | but usually this takes time ;-) |
| 09:36.58 | Bish_ | yeah it does xD |
| 09:37.00 | rwhitby | what works depends on which of the 7 distros you use, and they all overlap in different ways, so you can't get everything working in any one of them :-) |
| 09:37.01 | Seadog | woot, got usb networking setup |
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| 09:37.09 | Seadog | is there a text editor on the phone I can use already? |
| 09:37.18 | Bish_ | Seadog: vi? |
| 09:37.33 | v29a | rwhitby: so what is the most commonly used distro atm? |
| 09:37.44 | Bish_ | v29a: 2008.8 i think |
| 09:37.46 | rwhitby | there is no way of knowing |
| 09:37.49 | Seadog | Bish_: ah excellent, thanks |
| 09:38.19 | v29a | did any distro fix the battery runtime yet? |
| 09:38.29 | Bish_ | v29a: fix :D? |
| 09:38.33 | rwhitby | (i.e. there are no download counts, so you have to guess based on mailing list traffic, but mailing list traffic is usually only about problems so there might be a distro that everyone uses with no problems and you'd never hear about it on the mailing list ... |
| 09:38.57 | Bish_ | v29a: FSO is the best, so stop thinkin about it :P |
| 09:39.04 | Bish_ | but qtopia is good, if u want to use it already as phone |
| 09:39.08 | v29a | Bish_: well i mean "longer than 3h" ;-) |
| 09:39.10 | Bish_ | but cpp and qtopia sux |
| 09:39.21 | Bish_ | v29a: .. yeah in suspend xD its longer than 3h |
| 09:39.32 | Bish_ | much longer :) |
| 09:39.44 | Bish_ | but if u use the mobile, xD it will go down in notime |
| 09:39.51 | v29a | you mean suspend is implemented now? |
| 09:39.55 | v29a | uh? |
| 09:40.01 | zlfita | Bish: instead of vi, there is nano, a bit more useful with a virtual keyboard |
| 09:40.03 | Bish_ | hm , suspend works for me |
| 09:40.14 | Bish_ | zlfita: but nano is not installed by default |
| 09:40.23 | Bish_ | zlfita: he said " that i can use already" |
| 09:40.38 | zlfita | Bish_: actualy, it was preinstalled for me |
| 09:40.45 | Bish | zlfita: distro? |
| 09:40.50 | zlfita | FSO |
| 09:40.50 | rwhitby | emacs is available in the fso feeds ... |
| 09:40.56 | Bish | .. will test that |
| 09:40.58 | Bish | *booting* |
| 09:41.05 | Seadog | when I try `opkg update' I get about 8 404 errors, is that normal? |
| 09:41.07 | Bish | haha, the boot joke is funny, all the time |
| 09:41.12 | Bish | Seadog: yeah it is |
| 09:41.18 | zlfita | vi is no go since there is no ESC on virtual keyboard |
| 09:41.25 | v29a | Bish: so how long lasts the battery under normal usage? |
| 09:41.38 | zlfita | error is normal |
| 09:42.02 | Bish | v29a: what is normal? |
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| 09:42.15 | zlfita | error messages with opkg update |
| 09:42.28 | Bish | Bish: .. if i use it as my regular phone + some funny stuff like pidgin on it |
| 09:42.31 | Bish | ~9 hours |
| 09:42.32 | Bish | v29a: * |
| 09:42.49 | Seadog | Bish: so is it normal for a brand new phone to give no updates when I run opkg upgrade ? |
| 09:43.16 | zlfita | anyone experienced problems with gpsd? |
| 09:43.20 | dolf1074 | if you have flashed the newest images, it's normal you don't get any updates |
| 09:43.36 | Seadog | dolf1074: I only just got it, not done any flashing |
| 09:43.44 | zlfita | i showel NMEA data throug netcat and run gpsd on my pc, it works fine |
| 09:43.53 | dolf1074 | if you're still on om2007.2, it's also normal you don't get any update |
| 09:43.53 | Bish | Seadog: sometimes |
| 09:43.58 | Bish | :D |
| 09:44.03 | zlfita | but gpsd on FR doensn't seem to work |
| 09:44.11 | v29a | Bish: i see. think thats still pretty short :/ |
| 09:44.12 | Bish | zlfita: ? |
| 09:44.26 | Bish | v29a: yeah it is, but geeks like me dont move away from a usb port |
| 09:44.27 | dolf1074 | They don't work on om2007.2 anymore |
| 09:44.29 | Bish | so i dont mind |
| 09:44.32 | v29a | %-) |
| 09:44.52 | Bish | np:Children Of Bodom - 09 - Kissing The Shadows |
| 09:44.54 | Bish | yeoooow |
| 09:45.05 | zlfita | Bish: I cannot use gpsd on my FR |
| 09:45.11 | v29a | well i have a little geeky setup in mind, too. but to make it work the battery has to last at least 2-3d .. |
| 09:45.12 | Bish | zlfita: u dont get a fix? |
| 09:45.24 | Bish | v29a: it does, in suspend :) |
| 09:45.39 | zlfita | i sometimes get a fix but that's another problem |
| 09:45.42 | Bish | v29a: i turned the neo on, then i went to my girlfriend over the weekend, its still on |
| 09:45.57 | Bish | zlfita: hm, more detailed information please |
| 09:46.04 | v29a | Bish: maybe im not that sure about the terms youre using ... can it receive calls in suspend mode? |
| 09:46.06 | zlfita | even if get a fix, tangogps doesn't give anything |
| 09:46.07 | dolf1074 | Bish: what image? |
| 09:46.22 | Bish | v29a: yeah it can, then it will turn on |
| 09:46.28 | zlfita | tangogps is indifferent whether i get a fix or not |
| 09:46.33 | Bish | dolf1074: i think its still ms2 |
| 09:46.45 | dolf1074 | okay, FSO |
| 09:46.53 | Bish | yeah |
| 09:46.59 | Bish | right now im flashing ms3 |
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| 09:47.04 | zlfita | also i tried "xgps 192.168.0.202" on my pc |
| 09:47.18 | zlfita | and read nothing from gpsd on FR |
| 09:47.21 | Bish | zlfita: i think i had that problem too |
| 09:47.24 | v29a | Bish: so the 9h period you meant before was including you playing around with it all the time? ;-) |
| 09:47.38 | Bish | wooow :P fuck no |
| 09:47.42 | zlfita | then i used nc to shovel raw NMEA to my pc, it was fine |
| 09:47.50 | Bish | if youre playing around it will be down even in less than a hour :D |
| 09:47.53 | Bish | +wifi |
| 09:48.09 | Bish | zlfita: thats strange |
| 09:48.18 | Bish | will test it ... when my neo boots up |
| 09:48.43 | zlfita | I cannot get a fix before 15 minutes, which is also not godd but my main problem is with gpsd |
| 09:48.52 | Bish | zlfita: which image u got? |
| 09:49.05 | zlfita | at the moment, FSO milestone 3 |
| 09:49.09 | Bish | mh |
| 09:49.35 | zlfita | I got not fix with 2008.8, even with no SD |
| 09:49.37 | Bish | i heard rumors that the software fixes had fixed the problems "echo while talking" and "gps fix ~3 minutes" |
| 09:49.59 | zlfita | talking works really good |
| 09:50.00 | Bish | zlfita: i dont have a clue if theyre included in fso3 alreay |
| 09:50.04 | zlfita | if you can talk at all |
| 09:50.08 | Bish | it doesà :D |
| 09:50.09 | Bish | :DD |
| 09:50.17 | Bish | wait , let me boot ms3 :P |
| 09:50.21 | zlfita | they are incluede even in new updates of 2007.2 |
| 09:50.33 | zlfita | ok, standing ny |
| 09:50.39 | zlfita | s/ny/by |
| 09:51.33 | Bish | oh cool it stays of . without any reason |
| 09:52.25 | zlfita | sometimes does that |
| 09:52.52 | Gnutoo | hello, I bought the freerunner...and I don't know how to charge it...in the get started page it says to power it up...can i charge it while shut-down or in suspend mode? |
| 09:52.52 | Bish | v29a: if youre not sure wait for gta05 |
| 09:52.54 | zlfita | reset it really hard, i.e. remove the battery and replug |
| 09:52.55 | Bish | will be fuking great ! |
| 09:53.19 | Bish | Gnutoo: while shutdown yes, while suspend -> dont think so but i dont have a clue |
| 09:53.29 | Gnutoo | Bish, thanks |
| 09:53.32 | v29a | Bish: yep im quite unsure atm ... to buy or not to buy ;-) |
| 09:53.45 | v29a | gta05 is the next hardware rev? |
| 09:54.08 | Gnutoo | by the way i've a problem with mplayer...I hear no sound and see no progression when i try to play a mms:// radio |
| 09:55.22 | zlfita | Bish: any luck with booting yet? |
| 09:55.52 | Bish | ... let me try it again :) |
| 09:56.14 | Gnutoo | i've also tried the contrary: make my computer play the radio and send it to the freeruner via pulseaudio...but the freerunner is not powerfull enough to handle the stream...the stream get interrupted... |
| 09:56.34 | Bish | zlfita: no :P |
| 09:57.00 | Bish | Gnutoo: dont think so Oo |
| 09:57.06 | Bish | what do u mean with "powerfull " cpu speed? |
| 09:57.38 | Bish | zlfita: sometimes i have that problem, dunno why :D then i cant turn it on for a while |
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| 09:59.31 | Gnutoo | Bish, yes...the cpu is used at 80% by pulseaudio... |
| 09:59.41 | Bish | Gnutoo: dont use pulseaudio :P |
| 09:59.57 | ShellEvil | gnu{-: that will get better in GTA03 - with the faster CPU, it should only use 60% |
| 09:59.59 | Bish | im just kidding, thought arm would handle that |
| 10:00.07 | Bish | fuck yeah gta03 ! |
| 10:00.22 | mjr | 03 doesn't have a faster cpu... |
| 10:00.30 | ShellEvil | mjr: I thought it did. |
| 10:00.39 | Bish | it has the same cpu |
| 10:00.41 | ShellEvil | demands a refund! |
| 10:00.43 | mjr | but anyway, yeah, pulseaudio, some nice features for our use, but way not optimized enough |
| 10:00.44 | Bish | ... no |
| 10:00.51 | Bish | its faster.. because it runs at 500 mhz |
| 10:00.58 | Bish | in gta03 |
| 10:01.05 | mjr | does it? Well, okay. |
| 10:01.07 | ShellEvil | I thought the existing one was unstable at 500 on 02 for some reason. |
| 10:01.30 | mjr | yes, for the surrounding circuitry being specced for the lower freq only |
| 10:01.48 | mjr | but yeah, I suppose it's logical since they're redoing that to also bump up the max freq |
| 10:02.02 | mjr | I just hadn't heard it from an official source |
| 10:02.11 | mjr | well, even semi-official rumours, you know |
| 10:02.23 | Bish | ShellEvil: ..the cpu was invented for 500 mhz |
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| 10:02.33 | Bish | but OM slowed it down for some reason :P? |
| 10:03.02 | mjr | Bish, the board was designed for a lower-clock revision of the cpu, but that's not produced anymore |
| 10:03.14 | mjr | so they just run it a bit underclocked |
| 10:03.18 | Bish | yeah thats it :) |
| 10:03.59 | v29a | Bish: you meant i should wait für gta03 or gta05? |
| 10:04.09 | mjr | 05, absolutely |
| 10:04.16 | mjr | you don't want to miss out on the new features! |
| 10:04.33 | v29a | are there any estimation when 05 will be out? |
| 10:04.37 | Bish | v29a: yeah i will buy all of them |
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| 10:04.53 | mjr | 2083 |
| 10:04.53 | Tm_T | gotta catch em all ? |
| 10:05.06 | Bish | yeah :D |
| 10:05.17 | mjr | has bought both so far, but _probably_ not going for 03 |
| 10:05.45 | zlfita | Bish: i'll be out for lunch for half an hur, still interesdted in your gps adventure if you can boot your unit |
| 10:05.55 | v29a | i mean are there any raw dates given when 05 will hit the market? |
| 10:06.06 | mjr | v29a, lemmethinkno |
| 10:06.07 | ShellEvil | v29a: 2011 I'd be surprised at. |
| 10:06.08 | Bish | v29a: oh fuck no :p |
| 10:06.17 | v29a | kk %-) |
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| 10:06.27 | Bish | i would be suprised if gta03 comes 2010 xD |
| 10:06.36 | v29a | i see |
| 10:06.41 | mjr | nah, 09 is a realistic target for 03 I think |
| 10:06.50 | Seadog | if I'm upgrading to 2008.8 OM, do I need to flash the boot loader too? |
| 10:06.54 | mjr | since it isn't a major update |
| 10:07.18 | Bish | zlfita: i think i broke my gta02 :D |
| 10:07.26 | Bish | cant turn it on :D |
| 10:07.35 | Bish | mjr: whats realistic for gta04? |
| 10:07.36 | mjr | (okay, different gsm chip may affect some delay) |
| 10:07.42 | Bish | man i will be happy bout gta04 |
| 10:07.47 | mjr | Bish, no idea whatsoever |
| 10:08.02 | Bish | its like a fukin iphone + foss |
| 10:08.18 | mjr | I would _so_ like it to have umts finally, but phone umts chipsets are still not very friendly to openness |
| 10:09.06 | Bish | yeah i know.. then buy closed chips and let some reverseengeneers do their work |
| 10:10.08 | Gnutoo | Bish, so if i don't use pulseaudio on the phone...how can i send it the audio from my computer...with reasonable latency? |
| 10:10.18 | lpotter | Bish: if c++ and qtopia suck. why is it the best and most useful phone guis? |
| 10:10.19 | Gnutoo | ShellEvil, ok |
| 10:10.43 | Tm_T | lpotter: Qt and Python ? |
| 10:10.46 | Tm_T | hides |
| 10:10.53 | rwhitby | lpotter: now you're asking for consistency in opinion in an IRC channel ;-) |
| 10:10.59 | Bish | lpotter: because trolltech did all the work |
| 10:11.09 | Bish | for fuking no reason :P |
| 10:11.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | lpotter, your not exactly independant are you? :p |
| 10:12.17 | lpotter | of course not, but i just wanted to substantiate his statement |
| 10:12.21 | Bish | np:Bob Marley & The Wailers - Africa Unite |
| 10:12.28 | Bish | africa uneit |
| 10:13.40 | Bish | i wonder if my gta02 will boot today |
| 10:15.18 | Bish | anyone having problems with youtube and netscape-flash under X86_64? |
| 10:16.15 | Seadog | Bish: works fine for me here |
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| 10:16.53 | dns53 | it is always unstable for linux but it works fine most of the time |
| 10:17.14 | v29a | dumb question: can i charge gta02 via usb? |
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| 10:17.22 | dns53 | doing it now |
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| 10:18.56 | Bish | dns53: it works always, but i cant watch jewtube :( |
| 10:19.07 | Bish | v29a: oO .. u just can charge it via usb |
| 10:19.08 | Bish | read the wiki |
| 10:21.36 | Gnutoo | i'll ask in the mplayer channel....because mabe it's settings related |
| 10:22.24 | v29a | Bish: i doing that atm. but i cannot even manage to find the status page on power management i read a month ago :/ |
| 10:22.41 | Bish | v29a: wait, u own a gta02? :D |
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| 10:27.03 | Bish | openmoko is still now booting |
| 10:27.03 | Bish | what the |
| 10:27.42 | dns53 | your battery is flat? |
| 10:27.59 | beni_ | my FSO flash from today does not go into auto suspend mode |
| 10:28.04 | beni_ | is that expected? |
| 10:28.25 | dns53 | suspend does not always work on any image |
| 10:28.54 | Bish | dns53: .. think so |
| 10:29.07 | v29a | Bish: ?! |
| 10:29.36 | v29a | Bish: no i dont ... i am currently worring if i should buy one now or wait a little longer ... |
| 10:30.04 | ShellEvil | v29a: if you hope for a usable phone, the second. |
| 10:30.25 | ShellEvil | It's really not at the moment on any random image. |
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| 10:30.40 | ShellEvil | It may function in limited ways on picked images, or for expert users. |
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| 10:31.45 | v29a | ShellEvil: well i would want to use it as a phone ... not yet with all the neat features it has |
| 10:32.01 | v29a | ShellEvil: ie receive/send sms + calls |
| 10:32.05 | ShellEvil | It's not really a usable phone in general yet. |
| 10:32.15 | ShellEvil | It may work on some images. |
| 10:33.15 | v29a | uh ... as far as i understood the wiki it should work already? |
| 10:33.17 | Bish_ | dns53: .. think so |
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| 10:34.26 | v29a | well i guess ill just come back here in 1-2 months ;-) |
| 10:34.33 | v29a | thanks for your time |
| 10:34.40 | beni_ | manual suspend works here, ie pressing [power] for about 2-3 secs and then releasing |
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| 10:36.23 | MrShleee | I wonder if qtopia has a twitter client. |
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| 10:40.05 | zlfita | FSO m3 never suspended for me |
| 10:40.17 | zlfita | Qtopia is quiet stable about suspending |
| 10:40.27 | zlfita | not perfect, though |
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| 10:40.45 | lpotter | MrShleee: only if you write one :) |
| 10:41.14 | zlfita | Bish: any luck yet? |
| 10:41.26 | MrShleee | lpotter: I'm looking into it. just a commandline thing atm |
| 10:41.41 | zlfita | my NOR flash is blank by the way, i'm scared like hell when I'm flashing |
| 10:41.56 | zlfita | and I can't change my uboot, obviously |
| 10:43.30 | Bish_ | :D |
| 10:43.46 | MrShleee | Qtopia has afew issues with calls.. Doesn't hang up but the gui is blank |
| 10:44.00 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rc62c66017ca9 10/packages/wpa-supplicant/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [wpa-supplicant] add the dbus service and conf files with a small patch |
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| 11:04.47 | harnir | hi |
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| 11:05.17 | harnir | what shell is used in OpenMoko distributions? how can I declare variables local to a function in it? |
| 11:06.24 | ieatlint | i think they just use bash |
| 11:06.45 | dns53 | /bin/sh |
| 11:07.25 | harnir | typeset gives me an error |
| 11:07.35 | dns53 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:08.01 | harnir | ah, busybox... |
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| 11:09.03 | hipitihop | waves good evening to the residents |
| 11:09.05 | dns53 | echo $SHELL |
| 11:09.53 | ieatlint | if busybox's sh makes you feeel like stabbing someone, might i make a suggestion? |
| 11:10.03 | harnir | sure |
| 11:10.16 | ieatlint | my sister joan. |
| 11:10.27 | ieatlint | stab her |
| 11:10.30 | XorA|hols | ieatlint: thats a bit unfair :-) |
| 11:10.50 | ieatlint | XorA|hols, oh no, it's quite fair |
| 11:11.00 | harnir | ieatlint: who's older? |
| 11:11.10 | ieatlint | she is -- by 26 years |
| 11:11.34 | XorA|hols | ieatlint: no, you should warn her busybox now owns her life, then its fair :-) |
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| 11:13.39 | ieatlint | heh |
| 11:14.37 | ieatlint | sorry... i'm in the midst of the first anniversary of my father's death, and as the comments would make... there are some hard feelings between that sister and i (and everyone else who knows the details) |
| 11:16.09 | XorA|hols | ieatlint: ok, its forgivable then |
| 11:16.54 | XorA|hols | ieatlint: IRC people are great to vent at for that sort of thing, because we cant get involved |
| 11:17.29 | ieatlint | indeed |
| 11:17.36 | ieatlint | nor can lawyers find you |
| 11:17.48 | XorA|hols | :-D |
| 11:18.21 | XorA|hols | families are funny things, cant live with them, not allowed to kill em! |
| 11:18.30 | harnir | ok, typeset in busybox = local :-) |
| 11:18.34 | ieatlint | heh, that wasn't supposed to be about stabbing people, it's because there's an ongoing court case |
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| 11:24.27 | zlfita | darn, i read bullcrap from /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 11:25.14 | zlfita | what I read is not always alphanumeric, occasionally some crappy random binary sh*t |
| 11:25.24 | zlfita | something wrong with serial port |
| 11:25.40 | ieatlint | that's the gps? |
| 11:25.49 | zlfita | yes, gps |
| 11:25.56 | ieatlint | ... the gps can output in a binary mode... |
| 11:26.05 | zlfita | it's supposed to give text |
| 11:26.23 | ieatlint | its default mode is ascii nmea data, yes |
| 11:26.47 | ieatlint | i'm just saying if you're getting binary data, i wouldn't jump to blaming the serial connection or software interface |
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| 11:27.00 | zlfita | and that what it's supposed to do when it's powered on, just NMEA data |
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| 11:27.28 | Dave | How are you gentlemen? |
| 11:27.46 | Dave | and ladies :P |
| 11:28.24 | zlfita | for a brief moment, I feared Dave would say "all your base are belong to us" |
| 11:28.30 | ieatlint | Dave, no one in here seems ameniable to stabbing someone for me |
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| 11:28.43 | sledgeas | hello |
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| 11:28.47 | Dave | Who do you seek? |
| 11:29.03 | Dave | and for what purpose? |
| 11:29.04 | sledgeas | would android software (including OS) run on openmoko? |
| 11:29.10 | ieatlint | ... someone with a good stabbing arm |
| 11:29.23 | Dave | Direct my wrath! |
| 11:29.33 | dns53 | android is arm 5, the moko is arm 4 |
| 11:29.38 | Dave | so no |
| 11:29.39 | ronny | sledgeas: uh, openmoko is the software stack |
| 11:29.50 | sledgeas | sorry, ronny, on FR |
| 11:29.51 | ieatlint | sledgeas, koolu says google will release android for the freerunner |
| 11:30.02 | Dave | hot |
| 11:30.14 | Dave | it'll probably overheat, actually :P |
| 11:30.19 | Dave | ;D |
| 11:30.32 | Dave | Anyhoo, where's my nextbus, bitch? :P |
| 11:30.49 | dns53 | where you left it |
| 11:30.56 | sledgeas | android would be recompiled for arm4 if it would go open. so google will never make it open? |
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| 11:31.26 | dns53 | they have suggested it will be apache licence when they release it |
| 11:31.38 | Dave | woo |
| 11:32.25 | ieatlint | maybe android is just vaporware :P |
| 11:32.32 | Dave | hahaha |
| 11:32.34 | Dave | you wish ;p |
| 11:32.47 | Dave | fuck, for all we know, nukem will be released on android! |
| 11:32.52 | rwhitby | it's closed sourceware so far, except the kernel mods |
| 11:32.53 | Dave | along with p6, and other things :P |
| 11:32.59 | dns53 | it is vaporware till they release it |
| 11:33.05 | Dave | like sc2 |
| 11:33.08 | Dave | :p |
| 11:33.36 | Gnutoo | apache license => mabe it will be free for the freerunner but i doubt that the phones companies gives the source...but as it runs under GNU/linux we would have the kernel sources and mabe we could port the openmoko stack(FSO) on theses phones... |
| 11:34.08 | Dave | That seems very likely. |
| 11:34.40 | Dave | Why not concentrate on the freerunner now, which is what we are doing :) |
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| 11:35.29 | Gnutoo | I bought the freerunner,despite of it not having: 3g and webcam because it is and will be the best supported phone... |
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| 11:40.49 | Daramarak2 | Amen Gnutoo, and the fact that WE might support it ourselves. |
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| 11:44.36 | SpeedEvil | I need to do a shop offering a freerunner with guaranteed support. |
| 11:44.53 | Dave | That's a rather hefty service right there :p |
| 11:44.54 | SpeedEvil | (with a coupon for construction of a large concrete plinth) |
| 11:45.01 | Dave | :o |
| 11:46.20 | Seadog | does illume-config take ages to install or is it just me? |
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| 11:47.18 | zlfita | it does |
| 11:47.42 | Seadog | excellent |
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| 11:49.20 | Dave | ze germans |
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| 11:50.00 | Dave | Ken Young! |
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| 11:50.09 | balrog-k1n | hide the cookies |
| 11:50.15 | Dave | :p |
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| 11:51.01 | KenYoung | Hi Dave - I uploaded a new version of orrery to the gForge site which has significant improvements and bug fixes. |
| 11:51.22 | Dave | Hooray! |
| 11:51.30 | Dave | I can't wait to check it out :D |
| 11:51.43 | KenYoung | Thanks. |
| 11:51.56 | Seadog | oh, I have that on my to-install list |
| 11:52.04 | Dave | It just occurred to me, I only seem to have an inclination to test your software at nighttime, does that seem logical to you? ;) |
| 11:52.11 | Dave | Seadog :) |
| 11:53.31 | KenYoung | I'm happy if the code gets tested at any time. |
| 11:53.39 | Dave | :) |
| 11:54.18 | Seadog | illume-config caused a system timeout when installing >_> |
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| 11:54.54 | Dave | boo |
| 11:55.11 | Seadog | will installing it ssh work better? |
| 11:55.20 | Seadog | via* |
| 11:55.29 | Dave | I don't see how it would differ. |
| 11:55.42 | Dave | what's a system timeout? |
| 11:56.11 | Seadog | dunno, it just said it took too long |
| 11:57.20 | Dave | o_o |
| 11:57.22 | jonsmith1982 | Seadog, i had the same problem with the ui installer, use cmd line instead. |
| 11:57.27 | Dave | cute |
| 11:57.36 | Dave | Oh, hah, yeah |
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| 12:05.10 | Bish | Dave: was that joker laugh? |
| 12:05.14 | OdyX | Hi. I'm trying the FDOM. Where should I put my *.ogg files to have them played by the mediaplayer ? |
| 12:05.19 | Dave | haha |
| 12:05.36 | Dave | I wasn't intending it to be, no :P |
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| 12:05.39 | Dave | hehe |
| 12:06.09 | Bish | i like that laugh in the dark knight |
| 12:06.12 | Bish | liked* |
| 12:06.49 | Dave | yeah :D |
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| 12:07.22 | Dave | mokoaide? |
| 12:07.27 | Dave | sounds like a terrible softdrink |
| 12:07.52 | mokolade | :) |
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| 12:08.15 | Dave | :P |
| 12:08.46 | SpeedEvil | Mokoaide! Made in spain! |
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| 12:09.30 | hipitihop | does fso m3 have proper feeds yet |
| 12:10.25 | Dave | hippityhop! |
| 12:10.37 | hipitihop | Dave! |
| 12:10.43 | Dave | oh snap, seeing you just reminded me I should update my tango friends |
| 12:10.45 | Dave | :D |
| 12:11.01 | rwhitby | hipitihop: nope |
| 12:11.13 | Dave | oh, and yeah, knowing about fso3 would be good too :) |
| 12:11.42 | Dave | I really can't stand this 6-7minute boot time |
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| 12:12.24 | Seadog | has anyone managed to get wifi working on 2008.8? |
| 12:12.33 | Dave | I believe so, yes. |
| 12:12.34 | Bish | Seadog: i did |
| 12:12.46 | Dave | Bish, did you play with wpasupplicant? |
| 12:12.55 | Bish | Dave: .. yeah what else? |
| 12:12.59 | Dave | heh |
| 12:13.02 | Dave | I don't know! |
| 12:13.06 | Dave | That's why I was asking ;) |
| 12:13.11 | Bish | iwlist eth0 scanning |
| 12:13.12 | Bish | fuck yeah |
| 12:13.19 | Dave | heh |
| 12:13.33 | Dave | THE BORG ARE SCANNING YOU... WITH FREERUNNERS! |
| 12:13.48 | dns53 | cool |
| 12:14.06 | Bish | resistance is futile |
| 12:14.08 | Dave | They're in your repository, assimilating your code! |
| 12:15.30 | beni_ | hm, my tangogps does not read any gps signal data |
| 12:15.47 | beni_ | anyone out there got tangogps working in fso ms3 |
| 12:15.48 | beni_ | ? |
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| 12:16.30 | Daramarak2 | Is there any *updated* website that shows current problems with 2008.8? |
| 12:16.37 | Bish | Dave: maybe |
| 12:16.43 | Bish | Daramarak2: maybe.. the wiki? |
| 12:16.46 | Bish | have thought about that? |
| 12:17.17 | Bish | Daramarak2: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8 |
| 12:17.57 | igor321 | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/7361250ba509f86dd27dc21332e6f6d6.png |
| 12:18.11 | igor321 | "dukeGPS"..... can you imagine? :) |
| 12:18.16 | dolf1074 | Daramarak2: http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/search/label/om2008.8%20review |
| 12:18.44 | Daramarak2 | Is the wiki really updated? |
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| 12:26.35 | Dave | o_O |
| 12:26.43 | Dave | igor, what? :P What page is that on? |
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| 12:27.40 | Seadog | are there any terminals that work in 2008.8? I tried xterm and it doesn't give me a keyboard, and I tried the openmoko one but it won't install |
| 12:28.24 | OdyX | Where should I put my *.ogg files to have them played by the mediaplayer ? |
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| 12:29.04 | Dave | It won't? |
| 12:29.07 | Seadog | ahah, had to install it via the commandline |
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| 12:29.18 | dns53 | OdyX i think you need a vfat formatted sd card, though i'm not sure |
| 12:29.41 | OdyX | dns53: not possible to start any music scp'ed on the flash ? |
| 12:30.13 | dns53 | i have no idea |
| 12:30.22 | Seadog | also, how do I stop this silly predictive text when I'm trying to use the terminal xD ? |
| 12:30.40 | OdyX | Seadog: install/use the "terminal" keyboard |
| 12:30.51 | dns53 | change the kbd |
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| 12:33.24 | Seadog | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install illume-keyboard-terminal |
| 12:33.24 | Seadog | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 12:33.26 | Seadog | :/ |
| 12:34.10 | dolf1074 | I gues no internet: try: ping google.com |
| 12:34.15 | Seadog | works fine |
| 12:34.16 | Dave | ;D |
| 12:34.30 | dolf1074 | then the package doesn't exists |
| 12:35.07 | Seadog | then the wiki lies |
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| 12:35.23 | dolf1074 | I will look if it exist |
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| 12:36.16 | dolf1074 | it's illume-keyboards-terminal |
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| 12:36.54 | dolf1074 | with an S in keyboardS |
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| 12:48.10 | Seadog | woot, got wifi to work |
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| 12:48.47 | Richy | twice? |
| 12:49.19 | Richy | I can only connect one time, after that I have to reboot.. |
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| 12:49.31 | Seadog | dunno, not tried again |
| 12:49.55 | dolf1074 | Richy: I can get my wifi (with wpa) up as many times I want. But I need to do 'ifdown eth0' and 'ifup eth0' in the terminal |
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| 12:50.26 | dolf1074 | It doesn't work with the wifi settings in the settings application |
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| 12:50.37 | Richy | dolf1074: thanks for the hint, I will be trying this next time |
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| 12:58.14 | Seadog | how do you make it connect to your wireless network when the phone boots? |
| 12:58.25 | Seadog | instead of when I run the init script? |
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| 13:14.48 | Dave | Tanuva :o |
| 13:15.15 | beni_ | well, how can i return 2008.8 from suspend? |
| 13:15.20 | beni_ | pressing power doesnt workl |
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| 13:15.39 | viq | remove battery |
| 13:16.07 | beni_ | viq: that requires reboot, which is not wake from suspend |
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| 13:18.33 | viq | If power button doesn't work, I don't think you can wake it up |
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| 13:30.49 | beni_ | argh damn suspend |
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| 13:31.28 | Bish | beni_: damn bridge? |
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| 13:35.42 | beni_ | Bish: tested manual suspend/resume from 2008.8-update but that dont work either. |
| 13:35.54 | Bish | :D |
| 13:36.00 | Bish | 2008.08-update is TEH suck |
| 13:36.21 | Weiss | Workds For Me. what's the problem? |
| 13:36.27 | Weiss | -d |
| 13:36.47 | Bish | it freezes all the time and stuff |
| 13:36.49 | Bish | doesnt matter |
| 13:36.51 | Bish | ms3 is great |
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| 13:44.19 | bipak | anyone here who got his freerunner from pulster.de today? |
| 13:44.57 | OdyX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:45.47 | beni_ | Weiss: reawake doesnt work |
| 13:46.00 | beni_ | If i pushthe power button, nothing happens |
| 13:46.35 | Weiss | beni_: hmm.. i had some issues when i had screen dimming turned on. i don't use that feature though, so i keep it turned off and it works fine... |
| 13:46.38 | Daramarak2 | bipak: I though they were supposed to get new freerunners *to* pulster today. |
| 13:46.59 | Weiss | beni_: so perhaps try disabling auto-suspend and screen blanking to see what happens.. |
| 13:47.00 | beni_ | Weiss: i will test that. |
| 13:47.02 | bipak | Daramarak2: yes, but i got a mail on saterday that he sent it out |
| 13:47.38 | bipak | but it didn't arrive today.. so I'm wondering how he shipped it.. dhl, ups |
| 13:48.00 | Daramarak2 | bipak: Exiting, I am waiting for mine too :) |
| 13:48.05 | beni_ | bipak: today is monday, so be patient. |
| 13:48.11 | beni_ | tomorrow it will be in your hands. |
| 13:48.13 | bipak | beni_: i know... i cant wait! |
| 13:48.13 | bipak | :D |
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| 13:48.35 | bipak | Daramarak2: :D |
| 13:49.03 | Daramarak2 | I get the feeling I used to get the night before christmas as a child :D |
| 13:49.11 | beni_ | Weiss: ok turned off dimming stuff. |
| 13:49.12 | bipak | yes.. thats true :) |
| 13:49.25 | bipak | my sleep wasn't good tonight *g* |
| 13:49.35 | beni_ | no, i pressed too long. shutting down now :/ |
| 13:49.37 | bipak | like a child, as you say |
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| 13:50.16 | Daramarak2 | I didn't think grownups was allowed to feel that way :) |
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| 14:04.29 | beni_ | Weiss: hasn't worked. |
| 14:04.48 | beni_ | maybe i have configured something wrong. How do i disable that dimming? |
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| 14:05.25 | Weiss | beni_: hmmm... i installed illume-config, where there are some extra configuration settings |
| 14:05.46 | viq | Weiss: you should get an extra icon in the top menu |
| 14:06.20 | Weiss | beni_: i have my FR set up so that it doesn't go to sleep at all unless i press the button. this isn't a great idea in the long-run because it means my battery will go flat if someone rings and i don't notice |
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| 14:18.22 | TAsn | hey there, i got this weird batter picture in gtk, it',s a red battery with and exclamation mark in it. what does it mean? |
| 14:18.23 | TAsn | http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3651/86577991lt4.png |
| 14:18.27 | TAsn | top right |
| 14:18.33 | johnsu01 | heh, well today my alarm set for 8:35 is going off at 10:18 |
| 14:18.47 | johnsu01 | it seems to just pick a random time to go off |
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| 14:26.32 | Daramarak2 | johnsu01: is this a problem for all FRs? |
| 14:27.16 | johnsu01 | Daramarak2: No idea, this is with Qtopia. |
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| 14:33.51 | RedFlash | somebody here with gtk skills ? |
| 14:34.14 | RedFlash | gtk_button_set_image(button1,img);gtk_button_set_image(button2,img); |
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| 14:34.30 | RedFlash | but only button2 has the image ... button1 shows up empty |
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| 14:37.59 | RedFlash | Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_button_set_image: assertion `image == NULL || GTK_IS_WIDGET (image)' failed |
| 14:38.20 | RedFlash | hmm .. why is that image empty when using it on the second button ? |
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| 14:46.56 | pancake | how can i install apps in openmoko? |
| 14:47.16 | pancake | the latest build (from today) looks quite interesting from the usability side |
| 14:47.22 | pancake | but comes with no app installed |
| 14:47.30 | Dave | What distribution? |
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| 14:47.35 | Dave | 2008.8? |
| 14:47.41 | pancake | yes |
| 14:48.00 | Dave | you can always install things via opkg on the command-line |
| 14:48.07 | Dave | e.g. opkg install <application> |
| 14:48.09 | pancake | ok |
| 14:49.44 | pancake | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.59 | pancake | root 1321 0.3 2.5 22788 3240 ? S 11:06 0:00 /usr/sbin/packagekitd |
| 14:50.02 | bipak | yes |
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| 14:50.05 | bipak | kill this process |
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| 14:51.44 | WokfhackerShino_ | hi |
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| 14:53.32 | Dave | Hello |
| 14:53.49 | Bish | hello dave |
| 14:54.23 | Dave | GREETINGS MORTAL |
| 14:55.16 | Tanuva | oh my dave °.° |
| 14:56.07 | Dave | :D |
| 14:58.52 | pancake | which pkg should i install to have a virtual keyboard? |
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| 15:00.06 | TAsn | hey there, i got this weird batter picture in gtk, it',s a red battery with and exclamation mark in it. what does it mean? |
| 15:00.08 | TAsn | http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3651/86577991lt4.png |
| 15:00.12 | TAsn | re paste |
| 15:00.37 | TAsn | johnsu01, where did you get an alarm clock from? |
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| 15:00.51 | bipak | sounds like an empty battery for me *g* |
| 15:00.54 | johnsu01 | TAsn: It's in the released Qtopia image |
| 15:01.06 | TAsn | johnsu01, cool. |
| 15:01.09 | TAsn | bipak, can't be |
| 15:01.30 | TAsn | im currently using fso on the sd |
| 15:01.31 | TAsn | and it says it's 3/4 full |
| 15:01.39 | TAsn | furthermore, trying to charge in the 2007 image won't do it anymore. |
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| 15:03.38 | Dave | doo doo |
| 15:03.44 | Dave | Tasn, you're kidding right? |
| 15:03.51 | Dave | it's the critical battery icon |
| 15:03.51 | zipo | is playing "Steve Earle - Telephone Road" with Amarok |
| 15:04.01 | bipak | TAsn: ok, was just a guess ;) |
| 15:04.06 | TAsn | Dave, which means? |
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| 15:04.31 | Dave | It's presumably going to shut off soon |
| 15:04.38 | TAsn | i c |
| 15:04.40 | Dave | unless you connect it to a power source |
| 15:04.44 | TAsn | well the bat is full |
| 15:04.50 | Dave | then it's full of shit |
| 15:04.55 | TAsn | and i tried connecting it to power source, still no go. |
| 15:04.56 | Dave | you should try to resync the battery info |
| 15:05.01 | Dave | or force it rather |
| 15:05.04 | Dave | what does "no go" mean? |
| 15:05.11 | Dave | what did you expect to happen |
| 15:05.26 | Dave | If you are CERTAIN the battery life is not what the meter reports it to be |
| 15:05.36 | Dave | then connect to power source; remove battery while it's on, then replace |
| 15:05.44 | Dave | this typically forces it to reread the battery info |
| 15:06.00 | Dave | In other words, the power meter may correct adjust |
| 15:06.03 | Dave | correctly |
| 15:06.10 | TAsn | i can remove the battery while the device is connected to powersource? |
| 15:06.33 | Dave | absolutely |
| 15:06.38 | Dave | it doesn't NEED a battery |
| 15:06.42 | Dave | this is a hotswap |
| 15:06.47 | Dave | just make sure the device is powered on |
| 15:06.53 | Dave | and connect it to a power source |
| 15:06.56 | Dave | it will be fine :) |
| 15:07.04 | TAsn | Dave, btw, i booted the device many times since then ;\ |
| 15:07.09 | Dave | so long as the device is powered on and connected, you can always remove the battery |
| 15:07.13 | TAsn | well anyhow, i will try that. |
| 15:07.15 | Dave | Tasn, it may not matter |
| 15:07.18 | Dave | try it anyway :) |
| 15:07.19 | Tanuva | but it pulls more than 500mA while sending on gsm and/or with gps/wifi turned on |
| 15:07.23 | TAsn | Dave, i will. |
| 15:07.26 | Dave | heh |
| 15:07.28 | mwester | TAsn: on the GTA02, yes --- NEVER remove the battery while you have the GTA01 plugged into any external power source. :) |
| 15:07.29 | Dave | see what happens! |
| 15:07.36 | pancake | after installing moko-theme and moko-engine should i do something to use them? |
| 15:07.39 | Dave | mwester, wah wah :P |
| 15:07.54 | Dave | pancake, restart x, or reboot? |
| 15:07.58 | pancake | ok |
| 15:08.03 | Dave | presumably restarting X might be enough, I am not sure |
| 15:08.04 | pancake | i will try |
| 15:08.06 | Dave | but worth a try |
| 15:08.08 | TAsn | Dave, where can i get the openmoko-contacts (gtk2007) app for fso from? |
| 15:08.15 | Dave | I have no idea :) |
| 15:08.24 | Dave | currently, I'd say nowhere |
| 15:08.30 | fredrin | is there a spanish dictionary app for the Neo somewhere? |
| 15:08.34 | Dave | There is apparently still no repo for fso3 o_O |
| 15:08.45 | TAsn | Dave, im using testing. |
| 15:08.45 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 15:08.49 | Dave | fredrin, yes |
| 15:08.52 | Dave | Tasn, heh |
| 15:08.57 | Dave | well, that's what you get! :D |
| 15:08.57 | TAsn | where can i get the ipk for 2007? i will just try that. |
| 15:09.02 | Dave | oh oh |
| 15:09.08 | Dave | uhh from the downloads.om repo? |
| 15:09.16 | Dave | oh |
| 15:09.25 | Dave | you're saying because it no longer exists? :P |
| 15:10.30 | TAsn | i didn't know that. ;0 |
| 15:10.38 | TAsn | how do i exit kobo deluxe+ |
| 15:10.39 | TAsn | ? |
| 15:10.47 | Dave | rofl |
| 15:10.56 | Dave | Task Manager -> Terminate ? |
| 15:11.01 | Dave | I don't know, is this in FSO? |
| 15:11.06 | TAsn | yeah. |
| 15:11.07 | Dave | I am unfamiliar with that. |
| 15:11.10 | TAsn | can't reach task bar. |
| 15:11.12 | Dave | :) |
| 15:11.15 | Dave | aha |
| 15:11.17 | Dave | switch out? |
| 15:11.20 | TAsn | im trying to loose |
| 15:11.24 | TAsn | im just too damn good ;l |
| 15:11.28 | Dave | I have no idea what the AUX functionality is in FSO |
| 15:11.30 | Dave | haha |
| 15:11.32 | Dave | retarded |
| 15:11.41 | TAsn | there is no functionality in fso |
| 15:11.51 | TAsn | no!!! |
| 15:11.59 | TAsn | i got close |
| 15:12.34 | TAsn | you just have to die |
| 15:12.45 | Tanuva | is wondering why illume does lock on aux on 08.8 but not on fso |
| 15:12.55 | Dave | haha, Infoport |
| 15:13.02 | Dave | heh |
| 15:13.13 | Dave | Tanuva, funky behavior |
| 15:13.38 | TAsn | kill. |
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| 15:14.11 | Dave | killall unbelievers |
| 15:14.13 | TAsn | opkg remove task-openmoko-games |
| 15:14.13 | TAsn | Removing package task-openmoko-games from root... |
| 15:15.28 | TAsn | fso is weird |
| 15:15.35 | TAsn | i mean zohne |
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| 15:18.30 | TAsn | Dave, wish me luck |
| 15:18.32 | TAsn | trying your hack |
| 15:21.33 | TAsn | dave |
| 15:21.36 | TAsn | that didn't work |
| 15:21.40 | TAsn | it just shut off my moko |
| 15:21.55 | TAsn | for some reason it won't see the power supply in gtk anymore. |
| 15:24.55 | TAsn | i see the problem gtk just won't read the acpi equivalent for probing battery power so it can't even sense it's plugged so it won't turn on charging. |
| 15:25.03 | TAsn | (that's my educated guess) |
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| 15:26.00 | dbmoodb | "i'm sorry i can't do that dave" |
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| 15:49.00 | wurp2|working | Anyone know how to tell if Qtopia is doing fast or slow charge, without going to the command line? |
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| 15:52.32 | Dave | I don't think it differentiates charging graphically at all. |
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| 15:55.01 | Bish | i plugged the headphone in |
| 15:55.04 | Bish | then out |
| 15:55.09 | Bish | but sound didnt return |
| 15:55.21 | Bish | how can i let it return manually? |
| 15:55.22 | Dave | haw |
| 15:55.27 | Dave | maybe it's still in there! |
| 15:55.32 | Dave | It's all an illusion! |
| 15:55.33 | Bish | its not :) |
| 15:55.39 | Bish | stop makin jokes please:0 |
| 15:57.09 | Bish | holy *** on a sandwich |
| 15:57.17 | Bish | i installed the original firefox 3.0 on my neo ! |
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| 15:59.28 | bumbl | Bish: i think this is a known bug |
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| 16:00.29 | balrog-k1n | alsamixer should let you do that... don't ask me which bar |
| 16:00.56 | Bish | no.. its not alsamier |
| 16:01.08 | Bish | nothing changed when i plugged on that thing |
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| 16:01.19 | bumbl | Bish: reboot |
| 16:01.35 | Bish | bumbl: .. yeah but i dont want to reboot anytime i use the headphone |
| 16:03.30 | Dave | speaking of alsamixer |
| 16:03.38 | Dave | why'd the sound stop working on my pc :D |
| 16:04.02 | Bish | haha |
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| 16:04.27 | Dave | I think I may have accidentally removed some [necessary] alsa packages :P |
| 16:04.29 | Dave | or something o_O |
| 16:05.59 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r589f744d780f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up assassin version to 244 |
| 16:06.14 | balrog-k1n | it's Bish's headphones that broke sound both on his neo and your pc |
| 16:07.21 | tdobson | really stupid question: how do I close programs in 2008.8? |
| 16:07.32 | tdobson | hates feeling noobish |
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| 16:08.43 | Dave | :D |
| 16:08.47 | Dave | Someone just asked that. |
| 16:08.54 | Dave | They were equally as bewildered. |
| 16:09.00 | Bish | hahaha |
| 16:09.06 | Bish | tdobson: kill -9 <pid> |
| 16:09.20 | tdobson | Bish: haha |
| 16:09.29 | tdobson | greps his logs |
| 16:09.34 | Dave | hehh |
| 16:09.36 | Dave | sucky |
| 16:09.46 | Bish | "hey guyse im buying a developer-mobilephone, and i cant close programs" |
| 16:10.01 | Dave | o_O |
| 16:10.03 | Dave | uhh no |
| 16:10.06 | Bish | push the down-arrow .. and u will see a "remove-button" |
| 16:10.06 | Dave | Tasn, return. |
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| 16:10.34 | jrei | hi, the example toolchain has a sample with a gtk application. Is there any sample for nice black 2008.08 applications? |
| 16:10.46 | Bish | yeah there should be one |
| 16:12.00 | tdobson | Bish: cheers |
| 16:12.20 | tdobson | I saw the button but I thought it refferred to the whole of the drop down menu and meant hide etc. |
| 16:12.25 | tdobson | but that's anyway :) |
| 16:12.46 | Bish | yeah remove sounds kinda shoking what? |
| 16:13.07 | Bish | its like "flash nor/xor" |
| 16:13.16 | Bish | oh goddammit there is nor xor |
| 16:13.20 | Bish | nand |
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| 16:32.49 | Bish | does anyone here know |
| 16:33.07 | Bish | which package contains icons for vagalume? |
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| 16:43.21 | Gnutoo | hello, i'm trying to connect the openmoko to another phone(motorola) using rfcomm...on the openmoko i do rfcomm connect 0,then it ask for a passphrase on the motorola phone...then says: verification of the pin...then pin invalid...but that's the same pin than in hcid.conf of the openmoko...what could be the cause? |
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| 16:49.53 | Gnutoo | if i use my laptop instead of the openmoko it works... |
| 16:51.58 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * rad22ce58516c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] Bump up to 398dfc8513a3a7429d23a1e66a7019fc8e28aafc |
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| 17:14.38 | Tupeco | is this a live channel? |
| 17:14.59 | bipak_ | what is a live channel? |
| 17:15.08 | Tupeco | a channel that is not dead |
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| 17:15.15 | bipak_ | ah jetz |
| 17:15.17 | bipak_ | lol |
| 17:15.18 | bipak_ | yes |
| 17:15.19 | diego | it's alive when people is at the keyboard ^^ |
| 17:15.22 | bumbl | the channel lives |
| 17:15.31 | bipak_ | the channel is mostly alot alive |
| 17:15.32 | bipak_ | :> |
| 17:15.38 | Tupeco | great |
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| 17:16.03 | Tupeco | I just booted up om2008.8 "stable" for the first time |
| 17:16.44 | Tupeco | sorry, second. It already crashed once :) |
| 17:16.48 | Gnutoo | anyone for my bluetooth problem on the openmoko? |
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| 17:17.27 | diego | Gnutoo, my neo work fine with bluetooth |
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| 17:17.50 | Gnutoo | diego, ok did you try connecting with your neo to another phone using rfcomm? |
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| 17:18.23 | diego | i don't have another phone with bt |
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| 17:19.06 | diego | try to remove the pin (just for testint) |
| 17:19.48 | diego | or try to enter with 0000 |
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| 17:19.59 | diego | (sometimes 0000 means no pin) |
| 17:20.00 | Gnutoo | diego, ah ok...so you connected your computer to your neo...by the way...there is no obex server on GNU/linux that we could use ? |
| 17:20.07 | Gnutoo | diego, ah ok i'll try |
| 17:20.56 | diego | i connected neo to a couple gps bt |
| 17:21.00 | Gnutoo | diego, 0000 doesn't work...but what's that pin? |
| 17:21.55 | diego | some phone ask for pin even if not requested by other end, in this case 0000 make the trick (some times) |
| 17:22.21 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r22877bb1abab 10/fsod/ (15 files in 3 dirs): start work on fsod, frameworkd |
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| 17:22.24 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * re84e65cae7d2 10/fsod/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Fix build errors |
| 17:22.26 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r63103c55c366 10/fsod/ (4 files in 2 dirs): add helpers.vala |
| 17:22.29 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r53e8d27a0297 10/fsod/src/Makefile.am: add Makefile.am |
| 17:22.32 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r547ef045012c 10/fsod/ (12 files in 5 dirs): Initial Device subsystem with input plugin. Others to follow |
| 17:23.28 | Gnutoo | diego, mabe i should change the neo's Local device class? |
| 17:23.32 | diego | btw if with your laptop works, i suggest to compare carefully configuration files on neo and laptop |
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| 17:24.17 | diego | dunno, i've always used rfcomm connection (no obex or other fancy things) |
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| 17:25.23 | shanka | Hi All, |
| 17:25.23 | shanka | I am unable to get output on my Freerunner's speakers |
| 17:25.23 | shanka | I'm able to get audio if the headphones are connected (and held at a weird position) |
| 17:25.30 | shanka | Does anyone else have this problem? |
| 17:26.00 | shanka | I run Qtopia and Debian, and this problem exists in both |
| 17:26.08 | diego | shanka, check alsamixer |
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| 17:27.02 | shanka | diego: Yeah did that a few minutes back, was overwhelmed by the number of options! |
| 17:27.14 | diego | i know ... |
| 17:27.57 | shanka | What should Speaker Playback ZC be? |
| 17:28.01 | shanka | it's off in my case |
| 17:28.17 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r3bdd1fa3bdcf 10/fsod/Makefile.am: Add DBus policy file |
| 17:28.33 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r4481a36d99d8 10/fsod/etc/ (dbus-1/system.d/fsod.conf fsod.conf): Add DBus policy file |
| 17:28.59 | Zorkman_ | does anybody know how to check usb-status in FSO? |
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| 17:29.09 | Zorkman_ | modprove/g_ether/whatever? |
| 17:29.17 | Zorkman_ | I can't ssh in into FSO ms3 (clean flash-) |
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| 17:30.41 | _diego_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Better_alsamixer_settings |
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| 17:31.39 | shanka | diego: should I restart the device or alsa after I've changed something in alsamixer? |
| 17:33.07 | _diego_ | depends, if you use alsamixer, changes are immediate. |
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| 17:33.40 | shanka | _diego_: I used settings provided here: http://www.mail-archive.com/support@lists.openmoko.org/msg00564.html |
| 17:33.46 | hama | shanka, _diego_ : but yet not stored, right? |
| 17:33.56 | Gnutoo | strange...changing it doesn't change nothing... |
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| 17:34.43 | shanka | hama: so I should use alsactl store to store the settings? |
| 17:35.12 | hama | shanka: well, some other configs will override the alsa-settings... |
| 17:35.42 | hama | shanka: but true, to store use alsactl... |
| 17:35.50 | shanka | hmm |
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| 17:39.24 | shanka | strange... I've used "alsamixer" to change *speaker* volume to 100 (from 0), then I do "alsactl store" |
| 17:39.24 | shanka | then I go back to "alsamixer" to find that *speaker* volume is still 0! |
| 17:40.39 | shanka | oh, just found out, the speaker volume decreases back to 0 when I insert-and-remove the headphone jack |
| 17:41.35 | shanka | even when the "alsamixer" is running, I try to play a song, and then insert-and-remove the headphone jack, the *speaker* volume goes to 0 |
| 17:42.02 | shanka | I can't hear any sound even when the speaker volume is at 100 though |
| 17:42.07 | shanka | any ideas why this is happening? |
| 17:43.04 | _diego_ | shanka: easy. Some process detect the event plug - unplug headset and change settings |
| 17:43.21 | hama | me guess he tried... |
| 17:44.26 | shanka | my main problem is I'm not even able to hear incoming calls |
| 17:44.27 | shanka | !! |
| 17:44.43 | mac2k | is the speaker muted/ |
| 17:44.44 | mac2k | ? |
| 17:45.13 | mac2k | use the m key to mute/unmute |
| 17:45.40 | shanka | mac2k: the *speaker* variable's volume is 0 |
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| 17:47.21 | Torikun | The installer works ! |
| 17:47.31 | Torikun | How do you get a different keyboard on ASU |
| 17:47.52 | shanka | *Speaker Playback ZC* was muted, i've un-muted it. |
| 17:47.53 | shanka | Still no sound from speaker |
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| 17:53.11 | hama | shanka: what distribution do u use? |
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| 17:54.45 | shanka | hama: Qtopia |
| 17:55.23 | shanka | hama: But I also have debian, and that has a similar issue, audio works perfectly on headphones, but not on speakers |
| 17:56.37 | Torikun | How do you get a good kb |
| 17:56.40 | hama | shanka: well, me haven't used both.... :( |
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| 17:57.16 | bumbl | one question: |
| 17:57.27 | bumbl | are these mockups or what? |
| 17:57.28 | shanka | hama: hmm, I'll try to alter alsamixer settings in debian and get back |
| 17:57.30 | bumbl | [19:51:47] <bumbl> http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-01.png |
| 17:57.31 | bumbl | [19:51:54] <bumbl> http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-02.png |
| 17:57.33 | bumbl | [19:52:01] <bumbl> http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-03.png |
| 17:57.39 | bumbl | the come from rasters homepage |
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| 18:08.08 | mmp | hello, S3C processors have just halt of bogomips than their actual frequency? |
| 18:08.19 | shanka | In debian too I have this problem... I can hear sound on the headphones, but not on the speakers... Can this be a hardware issue? |
| 18:08.50 | bumbl | yes |
| 18:08.52 | bumbl | could be |
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| 18:13.27 | hama | bumbl: ??? |
| 18:14.00 | bumbl | hama: ? |
| 18:14.12 | hama | shanka: didnt u say u can hear a ringtone? |
| 18:14.32 | shanka | hama; no, I can't even hear my ringtone! |
| 18:14.47 | hama | oh... understand that wrong, sry |
| 18:15.21 | pb__ | mmp: yes, it seems. |
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| 18:16.16 | mmp | pb__: is it general rule that is performs just one instruction in two clock ticks? |
| 18:16.25 | lambda__ | i lose the screen ... |
| 18:16.32 | lambda__ | under MS3 |
| 18:16.35 | mmp | has so far worked just with with PXA255 |
| 18:17.04 | pb__ | mmp: no, I think this is just a pecularity of the bogomips calculation. in general, arm9 is one instruction per clock tick. |
| 18:17.41 | pb__ | mmp: you do only get one memory bus access per two ticks on s3c24xx, which might be part of the explanation. |
| 18:17.48 | mmp | hmm, ok :) that's what I wanted to know. So the slow bootup isn't caused by just half-frequency slowdown |
| 18:17.48 | TAsn | hey |
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| 18:18.18 | mmp | argh, half-of-instruction-per-tick slowdown :) |
| 18:18.21 | TAsn | does anyone here has anyidea what to do with the gtk image not handling power detection corretly? |
| 18:18.26 | pb__ | mmp: you could try running the mhz benchmark from lmbench if you are in doubt about your actual clock speed. I think that gives accurate answers on arm9. |
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| 18:18.38 | pb__ | mmp: or, inspect the clock setting registers with devmem2 and calculate the numbers by hand |
| 18:18.38 | TAsn | i.e thinks the battery is out doesn't matter the state and won't charge? |
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| 18:19.30 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rf64d8a25de8c 10/fsod/ (21 files in 12 dirs): add the other Device plugins to the build tree. |
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| 18:20.26 | TAsn | any ideas? |
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| 18:24.32 | mmp | pb__: hm, another way to do, but I guess so far I will just believe you; it isn't that important for me :) |
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| 18:26.13 | pb__ | heh, fair enough :-) |
| 18:27.13 | mmp | pb__: I was just wondering why FR's bootup time is that big, when compared with PXA-based device I have on the same frequency |
| 18:27.48 | Gnutoo | I had a sound problem with the audio quality on the headphones or hifi-set...i changed some settings but it is still not as good as my ogg player(pma430) |
| 18:28.11 | Gnutoo | i followed a page on the wiki and changed the bass settings in alsamixer |
| 18:28.24 | Gnutoo | but is there still some things to do that can improve it? |
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| 18:29.15 | pb__ | mmp: which part of bootup are you thinking of? |
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| 18:29.38 | torindel | pb__: probably all of it ;] |
| 18:29.44 | mmp | pb__: kernel init itself is slowed down by writes to framebuffer, so mostly the second one |
| 18:29.57 | Gnutoo | s/things/more things |
| 18:30.05 | torindel | mmp: you can turn that off |
| 18:30.06 | pb__ | in theory pxa255 and arm9 should be about the same speed at the same clock frequency. actually, arm9 has slightly better cpi than pxa255 for most general purpose code. |
| 18:30.08 | mmp | userspace init is quite slow |
| 18:30.17 | torindel | mmp: i.e. add quiet |
| 18:30.41 | mmp | torindel: yes, I know, I even managed somehow to boot it in such mode (FSO image even did it automatically once I think) |
| 18:30.47 | torindel | but both init, x, and x wm init is slow |
| 18:30.51 | mmp | but still, the userspace init is _slow_ |
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| 18:31.29 | pb__ | it'd certainly be interesting to understand the differences. |
| 18:31.38 | pb__ | what memory system do you have on your pxa255 device? |
| 18:31.43 | mmp | torindel: yes, but almost all of userspace init is slow; even qtopia didn't boot very fast |
| 18:32.08 | mmp | pb__: rather don't ask :) I'm not really sure, it's hp ipaq h5550 |
| 18:32.15 | mmp | 64+64MB RAM |
| 18:32.24 | pb__ | ah right |
| 18:32.28 | mmp | one runs at 100MHz, the other one might run at 50MHz... |
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| 18:32.45 | pb__ | I have a feeling the h5500 memory bus is wider than the FR's. |
| 18:32.54 | torindel | mmp: could you count how many secs init takes? (from kernel to X start) |
| 18:32.56 | pb__ | again, lmbench would tell you that, see the bw_mem benchmark |
| 18:32.58 | mmp | 32bits, as far as I know |
| 18:33.11 | mmp | torindel: on FR ? |
| 18:33.15 | torindel | yep |
| 18:33.29 | mmp | torindel: what image should I test? |
| 18:33.40 | mmp | but it's at least above minute for all of them |
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| 18:33.48 | pb__ | in fact, if you felt like running the complete lmbench suite on the h5500 and on the gta02, that would be interesting information. |
| 18:33.50 | Blastur | whats h5500? |
| 18:33.59 | pb__ | an ipaq |
| 18:34.02 | torindel | mmp: get stoper, we'll compare ;] |
| 18:34.17 | Blastur | pb__, cool.. does it run linux? |
| 18:34.20 | pb__ | yeah |
| 18:34.25 | mmp | more-or-less |
| 18:34.28 | Blastur | how much is it? |
| 18:34.36 | pb__ | dunno, I don't think you can actually buy them anymore |
| 18:34.40 | mmp | it ran linux would be the best conclusion right now |
| 18:34.45 | mmp | you can buy them in ebay |
| 18:34.55 | mmp | but the support isn't very good so far |
| 18:34.59 | pb__ | I originally worked on the linux port for that device back in 2004 or so. I think they have been discontinued for a while. |
| 18:35.00 | mmp | none in recent kernels |
| 18:35.25 | pb__ | ah, that's too bad |
| 18:35.50 | pb__ | it would be nice to get it fixed up. I still have an h5500 at my office somewhere. |
| 18:35.50 | mmp | pb__: the last supported kernel (although pretty good) is 2.6.21 in handhelds.org CVS |
| 18:36.00 | mmp | pb__: there will be ongoing work soon... |
| 18:36.11 | mmp | it had to be, in fact, but there wasn't enough time... |
| 18:36.21 | mmp | unfortunately :( |
| 18:36.44 | pb__ | ok, very good |
| 18:36.58 | mmp | but bd2 told me he has board files to get h5000 working at least on serial console |
| 18:37.22 | mmp | and after that, it's matter of porting (not small amount of) drivers |
| 18:37.41 | pb__ | how much porting do they need? surely the driver infrastructure hasn't changed all that much since 2.6.21. |
| 18:38.10 | Blastur | do you have a lot of kernel experience? :) |
| 18:38.34 | mmp | some don't, but handhelds.org CVS has quite a lot of own code, which h5000 uses (gpiodev, ...) |
| 18:38.47 | mmp | That might cause problems. And also general code cleanup:) |
| 18:39.05 | mmp | Blastur: not that much, just experience with fixing bitrotted code :) |
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| 18:43.59 | mmp | pb__: and I hope what together with having h5000 support in 2.6.27 kernels, it will finally be possible to have support for at76 chips and WPA firmware... |
| 18:44.03 | pb__ | yeah, true. I don't think gpiodev is all that complicated though. |
| 18:44.17 | pb__ | right, that would be good |
| 18:44.29 | mmp | (gpiodev) not complicated, but iirc it's quite widespread. Anyway, time will show :) |
| 18:44.58 | pb__ | if h3900 is supported, and s3cxx is supported, it should be pretty straightforward to get h5400 going. There isn't much code required for the 5xxx that isn't used by one or other of those two. |
| 18:45.34 | pb__ | basically just the mq11xx, which is pretty much self contained, plus a bit of general machine glue |
| 18:45.37 | mmp | pb__: well, samcop has its own driver, it doesn't use parts of s3cxx... |
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| 18:45.55 | pb__ | it could do, though |
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| 18:46.07 | pb__ | the reason it didn't originally is that samcop pre-dates the s3c24xx support |
| 18:46.09 | KungFuJesus | hello |
| 18:46.20 | KungFuJesus | is openmoko ready for the general public yet? |
| 18:46.22 | mmp | pb__: hmm, it would be great if it did :) thanks for hint |
| 18:46.31 | torindel | mmp: about boot speed on gentoo with standard bloated init, normal bash, normal udev, normal everything it takes 40 seconds |
| 18:46.41 | pb__ | for stuff like SDIO, touchpanel and so on, you are almost certainly better off re-using the s3c24xx code than trying to maintain a parallel fork. |
| 18:46.45 | mmp | torindel: booting to full GUI ? |
| 18:46.47 | KungFuJesus | some of these project ideas are great and I'd like to help out to the best of my abilities |
| 18:46.51 | torindel | mmp: and we're not useing busybox or anything which is a loot smaller |
| 18:47.20 | torindel | mmp: i was counting from the point kernel finished to the point x started |
| 18:47.48 | torindel | plus that was with normal desktop stuff, not some busybox init |
| 18:47.56 | mmp | torindel: well, I can't measure it that easily, I have FSO image there, so I can measure time taken to e.g. start zhone |
| 18:48.01 | KungFuJesus | hello, who here owns a freerunner? |
| 18:48.19 | torindel | mmp: (including in that framework, gpsd etc) |
| 18:48.33 | mmp | KungFuJesus: many people on the channel I guess:) |
| 18:48.47 | torindel | mmp: measure to the time it stops useing framebuffer and starts X |
| 18:48.49 | KungFuJesus | mmp: does it serve well as a phone, are the calls generally stable these days? |
| 18:49.17 | torindel | and from ending of kernel till it stops useing framebuffer |
| 18:49.27 | KungFuJesus | did they finally fix power management issues so that the battery life is greater than 3 hours? |
| 18:49.52 | KungFuJesus | I would love to buy one of these devices as I need a new phone, but it has to be reliable |
| 18:50.00 | mmp | torindel: hmm, weird; anyway, I'll try to measure it |
| 18:50.33 | mmp | KungFuJesus: don't know, I have one, but I did not measure battery life; I just tested whether I can dial a number:) |
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| 18:50.51 | KungFuJesus | anybody? Because I'm doing my best to not impulsively buy one |
| 18:51.02 | KungFuJesus | but if it's ready for the open market, then I'll jump onboard |
| 18:51.29 | KungFuJesus | for the sake of having a phone I need one. Will ma bell networks generally work if I just pop my sim in? |
| 18:52.15 | viq | KungFuJesus: do they support GSM? |
| 18:52.59 | mmp | torindel: hmm, basic bootup times aren't that much different; 17 seconds uboot+kernel, 36 seconds userspace init prior X |
| 18:53.06 | white_gecko | how can i change the icon theme in 2008.8 for the "illume desktop" |
| 18:53.22 | white_gecko | i have added the theme-folder in /usr/share/icons/ |
| 18:53.42 | mmp | torindel: but then it's almost 1:30 to see zhone started |
| 18:54.53 | Gnutoo | KungFuJesus, I didn't test phone calls a lot...but the freerunner can have many uses...for instance i don't think i'll use it as my primary phone because a phone needs battery life and i want to use wifi gps games...and using theses reduce the battery life...but i didn't have problems with suspend |
| 18:55.54 | Gnutoo | KungFuJesus, but the same problem apply with others smartphones too... |
| 18:59.06 | Gnutoo | KungFuJesus, there is an echo in qtopia when you call(on the other side)...it has been fixed and i think it's in FSO_milestone_3 |
| 19:00.12 | Gnutoo | KungFuJesus, but qtopia is more complete...you have missed calls,operator messages etc...i don't think you have this in FSO_III |
| 19:02.59 | pb__ | mmp: yah, that does seem pretty slow. on the s3c2412 systems that I am working on right now, I think it takes about 10 seconds from power on to application startup. iirc, the kernel is a bit less than half of that, and the rest is userspace stuff. |
| 19:05.44 | Pau1us | Hi, why are the userfiles/-dirs, like .e in / instead of ~ ? (FSO-3) |
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| 19:06.47 | torindel | Pau1us: because init scripts do it directly without sourcing profile |
| 19:06.54 | SpeedEvil | A large part of battery life stuff just hasn't been done. KungFuJesus. |
| 19:07.00 | torindel | and a lot of env vars are unset |
| 19:07.07 | torindel | including HOME |
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| 19:07.43 | Pau1us | will this be fixed in future versions? |
| 19:07.44 | pd | hello |
| 19:07.47 | SpeedEvil | KungFuJesus: all the hardware switches seem to be there in both GTA01 and GTA02 - it's just major bits - cpu freq scaling for one - are completely missing |
| 19:07.49 | torindel | dunno |
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| 19:08.05 | torindel | Pau1us: just make symlink for now if you care |
| 19:08.06 | SpeedEvil | It's very much a wok in progress. |
| 19:08.16 | Pau1us | ok thx |
| 19:08.18 | mickey|dinner | home dir / is a bug in tinylogin |
| 19:08.28 | mickey|dinner | see bugs.openmoko.org |
| 19:08.36 | pd | could anybody help me with gsm modem on ASU? after resume from suspend i cant making calls or even sending sms |
| 19:08.45 | pb__ | yo mickeyl |
| 19:09.09 | mickeyl | hey pb__ |
| 19:09.31 | viq | pb__: it might be a good idea to mention distribution ;) |
| 19:09.35 | torindel | mickeyl: got quick question about framework versioning scheme what will be after milestones? 1.0? or some 0.x and testing phase? |
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| 19:11.44 | mickeyl | torindel: I think we're aiming for 0.9 at the end of the year |
| 19:11.51 | mickeyl | then going 1.0 early next year |
| 19:12.20 | pd | is this proper channel to ask for help? |
| 19:12.33 | torindel | pd: probably yes |
| 19:12.36 | TAsn | is there a way to tell zohne to call a certain number via cli? |
| 19:13.05 | pd | torindel: pl user :) i know you |
| 19:13.24 | torindel | ;] |
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| 19:13.58 | pb__ | viq: ah, this is a custom distribution, not any of the openmoko stuff |
| 19:13.59 | mickeyl | TAsn: zhone is not scriptable like that, but you can easily dial a number through dbus |
| 19:14.06 | mickeyl | zhone will even show that a call is outgoing |
| 19:14.12 | TAsn | mickeyl, cool. |
| 19:14.15 | TAsn | :) |
| 19:14.17 | TAsn | thanks. |
| 19:14.48 | TAsn | so hacking together gtk contacts and zhone for outgoing calls shouldn't be that hard. |
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| 19:16.24 | ronny | mickeyl: btw, how are the plans for storing contacts in other places with more metadata ? (sim is kinda limited) |
| 19:16.36 | mickeyl | yep |
| 19:16.55 | mickeyl | plans are to integrate some form of PIM storage |
| 19:17.01 | mickeyl | probably from gsoc this year |
| 19:17.03 | ronny | TAsn: does gtk contacts use the framework apis for contacts? |
| 19:17.21 | TAsn | ronny, |
| 19:17.25 | TAsn | im using my gtk db |
| 19:17.33 | ronny | ah, thats bad |
| 19:17.33 | TAsn | mickeyl, gsoc? |
| 19:17.37 | TAsn | ronny, why? |
| 19:17.40 | mickeyl | ~google gsoc |
| 19:17.46 | TAsn | mickeyl, good idea ;0 |
| 19:17.48 | mickeyl | apt? |
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| 19:17.56 | mickeyl | apt is laggy |
| 19:18.00 | mickeyl | gsoc is summer of code |
| 19:18.08 | TAsn | mickeyl, i have a problem with gtk image |
| 19:18.11 | TAsn | maybe you can help |
| 19:18.26 | ronny | TAsn: well, stuff should use the framework, so all apps can use it |
| 19:18.27 | TAsn | the battery icon is red like if there's no battery |
| 19:18.43 | TAsn | though battery is full |
| 19:18.51 | TAsn | furthermore, charging doesn't work. |
| 19:18.53 | TAsn | ronny, i know. |
| 19:18.59 | mickeyl | using a TH or CC battery? |
| 19:19.10 | TAsn | im hacking a working distro know |
| 19:19.15 | TAsn | mickeyl, how can i check? |
| 19:19.18 | TAsn | (stock fr) |
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| 19:19.40 | ronny | TAsn: could you add a framework backend for the gtk db you made? |
| 19:19.46 | mickeyl | look at the battery |
| 19:19.54 | TAsn | ronny, i made nothing |
| 19:19.57 | TAsn | using the gtk one |
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| 19:20.00 | mickeyl | between + and - it should show CC or TH |
| 19:20.02 | ronny | ah, k |
| 19:20.12 | TAsn | cc |
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| 19:20.50 | TAsn | ronny, this way i have my contacts for viewing :) |
| 19:21.08 | TAsn | i know, not using, though that's why i wanted to hack zhone |
| 19:21.10 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 19:22.07 | Guest83507 | if i buy a freerunner what can i expect? |
| 19:22.15 | ronny | mickeyl: how do backends for providing contacts work ? |
| 19:22.19 | TAsn | a device using linux |
| 19:22.26 | ronny | mickeyl: can it be an arbitary dbus service? |
| 19:22.30 | Guest83507 | stability wise |
| 19:22.34 | mickeyl | ronny: please ask abraxa_ |
| 19:23.23 | mickeyl | didn't have time to look into that yet |
| 19:23.23 | ronny | hmk |
| 19:23.23 | mickeyl | but the PIM queries will go over dbus, yeah |
| 19:23.23 | TAsn | mickeyl, any idea about my problem? |
| 19:23.23 | torindel | Guest83507: nothing plus a lot of hacking ;] |
| 19:23.23 | Guest83507 | that does sound fun |
| 19:23.23 | TAsn | torindel, my fso is stable |
| 19:23.24 | TAsn | it just doesn't do anything but being stable |
| 19:23.25 | Guest83507 | im really trying to get put off the idea |
| 19:23.31 | TAsn | oh, and running full screen movies :) |
| 19:23.41 | TAsn | and duke3d ;0 |
| 19:24.04 | ronny | anyone got an idea wha happens if one accidentialy uses the battery before doing the initial full charging? |
| 19:24.06 | torindel | Guest83507: there isnt any stable and usable distro yet |
| 19:24.06 | Guest83507 | have a big problem with propriety software |
| 19:24.34 | Guest83507 | okay, is it usable for say a dev? |
| 19:24.39 | TAsn | Guest83507, yeah. |
| 19:24.50 | TAsn | what can i understand from |
| 19:24.51 | TAsn | retrieved phonebook: dbus.Array([], signature=dbus.Signature('(iss)')) |
| 19:24.52 | TAsn | error while retrieving messagebook |
| 19:24.53 | TAsn | ? |
| 19:24.57 | TAsn | *should i |
| 19:25.52 | Guest83507 | i read that theres no call quality on the wiki |
| 19:26.10 | TAsn | in fso i get sometimes robot like sounds |
| 19:26.12 | TAsn | which is weird. |
| 19:26.15 | Guest83507 | is that the major show stopper for useability or is there a lot more |
| 19:26.30 | TAsn | Guest83507, to tell you the truth. |
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| 19:26.34 | TAsn | i use gtk 2007 |
| 19:26.44 | TAsn | and everything works. |
| 19:26.53 | TAsn | excpet for power consumption |
| 19:27.09 | mickeyl | TAsn: sounds like the SIm is not ready yet |
| 19:27.36 | Guest83507 | i couldnt see any uk networks on the wiki though, not sure if im willing for that risk |
| 19:27.51 | TAsn | anyhow, i get bad sound quality using fso ;\ |
| 19:28.03 | TAsn | and gtk experiences the problems i mentioned. ;\ |
| 19:28.08 | viq | Guest83507: europe does GSM, so it should be safe |
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| 19:28.26 | Guest83507 | ah okay, does sms work fine? |
| 19:28.56 | TAsn | for me at least. |
| 19:30.05 | Guest83507 | is there a lot of stuff in the works... |
| 19:30.18 | TAsn | potentially everything is on the works. |
| 19:30.20 | pb__ | mickeyl: what are the chances of being able to get 2008.8 working on my gta01 at the moment? |
| 19:30.22 | viq | The whole thing is in the works ;) |
| 19:30.43 | SpeedEvil | Guest83507: I have GTA01 working fine on t-mobile |
| 19:31.06 | Guest83507 | could you add that to the wiki? |
| 19:31.10 | SpeedEvil | Guest83507: GPRS is capped at a pound a day, and you can buy packs to give you 50p/day caps. |
| 19:31.16 | Guest83507 | have you tried any other networks? |
| 19:31.16 | mickeyl | pb__: tough, 2008.8 is too huge for the 01 and i don't think anyone is trying to make it smaller atm. |
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| 19:31.55 | SpeedEvil | Guest83507: no. |
| 19:31.55 | mickeyl | pb__: fso ms3 will work fine though :) |
| 19:31.55 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, maybe you will know. |
| 19:31.55 | Guest83507 | SpeedEvil, no to the wiki or to other networks |
| 19:31.55 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: ? |
| 19:31.56 | pb__ | mickeyl: okay, cool. sounds like that is what I need then :-) |
| 19:31.56 | TAsn | my gtk says the battery is empty |
| 19:31.58 | SpeedEvil | Guest83507: I haven't added it. |
| 19:31.59 | TAsn | although fso says it's full |
| 19:32.05 | TAsn | plus gtk doesn't charge |
| 19:32.11 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: cat /proc/wherever to read the real figures |
| 19:32.26 | Guest83507 | SpeedEvil, could you, it would probably help people |
| 19:32.26 | pb__ | mickeyl: do I just take the jffs2 from http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/? |
| 19:32.28 | TAsn | this causes gtk no to charge the phone. |
| 19:32.49 | Guest83507 | is there a ful system under there, or is it based on busy box? |
| 19:33.06 | SpeedEvil | Guest83507: when I get up to a system where I can easily. |
| 19:33.12 | SpeedEvil | Guest83507: bb |
| 19:33.19 | Guest83507 | cheers |
| 19:33.23 | SpeedEvil | Guest83507: busybox does most stuff. |
| 19:33.39 | Guest83507 | all of this i still want one |
| 19:33.51 | nickik | is somebody still working with qemu? |
| 19:35.32 | mickeyl | pb__: yep, take the jffs2 and the kernel and flash it w/ dfu-util |
| 19:35.44 | Guest83507 | just not a fan of busy box, sick of it on my zaurus |
| 19:36.32 | SpeedEvil | You can install coreutils. |
| 19:36.33 | swc|666 | busybox sucks |
| 19:36.35 | SpeedEvil | If you want. |
| 19:36.39 | pb__ | mickeyl: great, thanks. I'll try that tomorrow when I am back at the office. |
| 19:37.06 | Guest83507 | still seems like a good use of my student loan payment |
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| 19:37.58 | mickeyl | pb__: do that. you probably have an ancient u-boot as well, but that's always a bit risky updating without debugboard |
| 19:38.14 | mickeyl | lets see whether it (kind of) works with the one you have atm. |
| 19:38.32 | SpeedEvil | swapon may well help. |
| 19:38.38 | SpeedEvil | (with the space argument) |
| 19:39.01 | anakron | Are there any Mac OS X users? |
| 19:39.49 | pb__ | mickeyl: ok, great. I guess I can update u-boot from inside linux once I have that running. |
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| 19:41.47 | snp | anakron: yes |
| 19:42.15 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, can't find nothing useful in /proc |
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| 19:42.30 | Guest83507 | type busybox |
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| 19:44.15 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: try typing apm |
| 19:44.28 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: or find /sys (oops) -name "*battvolt" |
| 19:44.33 | TAsn | blank |
| 19:45.48 | TAsn | 4183 |
| 19:45.52 | TAsn | says nothing to me though. |
| 19:46.20 | TAsn | the problem is that the moko doesn't realize the true battery status |
| 19:46.29 | TAsn | so it won't even activate charging |
| 19:46.34 | TAsn | (works fine with fso though) |
| 19:48.20 | KungFuJesus | how far are we from decent power management, though? |
| 19:49.29 | Gnutoo | hello, does https works on openmoko-browser2 or midori? because i can't access my mail but i can on my laptop |
| 19:50.00 | TAsn | Gnutoo, minimo |
| 19:50.03 | TAsn | works like a charm |
| 19:50.23 | Gnutoo | TAsn, thanks i'll try |
| 19:50.31 | Guest83507 | is openmoko realy the most stable os on gta2 |
| 19:50.44 | TAsn | Guest83507, define openmoko |
| 19:50.59 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: 4183 is almost completely charged |
| 19:51.06 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, i know. |
| 19:51.08 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: there is probably somewhere better to read that from |
| 19:51.15 | Guest83507 | i wish there was more choice here, but i cant see me using a M$ based phone |
| 19:51.22 | TAsn | the problem is with the gtk distro |
| 19:51.32 | TAsn | since fso reads that fine and charges |
| 19:51.39 | TAsn | gtk for some reason won't charge anymore |
| 19:51.53 | TAsn | nor will it change the stupid icon |
| 19:52.07 | TAsn | i think something is wrong with the daemon that's supposed to do both. |
| 19:52.10 | mwester | Guest83507: There are *too many* choices for the FR; not enough of them work. Which one do you call "Openmoko"? |
| 19:52.17 | TAsn | my only Q is which is this demo? |
| 19:52.30 | Guest83507 | Im not really sure |
| 19:52.40 | TAsn | Guest83507, stock? |
| 19:52.46 | Guest83507 | yeah i guess so |
| 19:52.47 | TAsn | because i find stock the best for now. |
| 19:52.57 | Guest83507 | can you develop on the device? |
| 19:53.13 | TAsn | Guest83507, i think that's the whole point, or is it? ;0 |
| 19:53.24 | Guest83507 | ha ha ha true |
| 19:53.36 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, you see what i mean? i know the bat is full, the only problem is what keeps track on bat and connections? |
| 19:53.40 | Guest83507 | it would be a good distraction in java lectures |
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| 19:53.47 | TAsn | Guest83507, aye ;0 |
| 19:53.53 | TAsn | i already finished java though. |
| 19:54.12 | TAsn | though there are a lot more boring classes to play with the moko at ;0 |
| 19:54.17 | Guest83507 | i get to start next week, praying my summer of using C will keep me sane |
| 19:54.47 | TAsn | it's java there's no helping it, you are doomed. |
| 19:55.31 | Guest83507 | its going to be torture, next week will be spent getting win off my uni laptop |
| 19:55.35 | mwester | Java: how to write lots of text, that ends up doing very little, or "Proust for Programmers" |
| 19:56.23 | anakron | Nobady using Mac OS with openmoko? |
| 19:56.42 | snp | anakron: for the second time, yes! :) |
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| 19:57.15 | anakron | snp: sorry I missed! :D |
| 19:57.39 | Guest83507 | considers taking the brick off the java book |
| 19:57.42 | anakron | snp: are you using Leopard? |
| 19:57.48 | snp | anakron: yes |
| 19:58.20 | anakron | snp: is dfu-tuil working properly for you? |
| 19:58.51 | snp | anakron: no.. You can only run a list, I had to flash my freerunner at work on my Linux machine. |
| 20:00.02 | anakron | snp: Have you already tried the workaround I proposed on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X? |
| 20:00.47 | snp | anakron: what workaround? Don't see any workaround on that page. |
| 20:01.11 | anakron | You have to unplug and replug the device |
| 20:01.37 | snp | anakron: didn't bother, just tried it and when it didn't work I just brought it to work and flashed it without any hastle |
| 20:01.40 | snp | a lot easier |
| 20:01.42 | anakron | the second time you try to flash the openmoko it works! But I'm not yet sure why. |
| 20:01.51 | snp | anakron: well that didn't work for me |
| 20:02.08 | snp | I tried it the third day at home for qtopia several times without luck |
| 20:02.28 | anakron | snp: I would really like to have it working on mac os |
| 20:02.36 | snp | but usb networking on the mac works fine, no problem ssh in or accessing internet from freerunner as long as you have the dns setup correctly |
| 20:02.52 | jones | is the sd card required? |
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| 20:03.05 | snp | anakron: I have heard ppl flashing in a virtualized environment but haven't tried it yet. |
| 20:03.06 | jones | or is it just for flashing |
| 20:03.34 | anakron | yes I know it's the same with VMware! USB networking works properly just flashing doesn't! |
| 20:04.19 | snp | well I can't get you anymore feedback then this.. |
| 20:04.31 | anakron | snp: do you know how I can contact him? |
| 20:04.43 | snp | contact who? |
| 20:05.23 | anakron | snp: I meant you know somebody who did it |
| 20:05.34 | SpeedEvil | You should be careful about flashing qemu, unless you've compiled the debug board. |
| 20:05.45 | snp | under virtualization? |
| 20:05.49 | anakron | snp: yes |
| 20:06.12 | snp | anakron: why don't you download Virtualbox and install a Linux and try it out? Won't take to much of your time. |
| 20:06.31 | jones | think im gonna have to get a gta2 |
| 20:07.00 | snp | jones: that you should.. |
| 20:07.01 | anakron | the problem is flashing doesn't work under VMware and neither does it under VirtualBox |
| 20:07.12 | Dave | Speedevil, so how's that store coming along? |
| 20:07.18 | snp | anakron: can you access the device at all? |
| 20:07.28 | ronny | anakron: hu? it certainly did for us here |
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| 20:07.39 | jones | i can get one and still pay rent.... |
| 20:07.39 | TAsn | what's the name of the desktop fso3 is running? |
| 20:07.42 | anakron | under vmware I can acces it but I get an error inside Debian |
| 20:08.15 | anakron | and Virtualbox tells me it is unable to get exclusive access or sometimes it was unable to create a proxy object |
| 20:08.19 | snp | anakron: and the error is? |
| 20:08.31 | jones | have many been bricked? |
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| 20:09.53 | anakron | snp: unable to enumerate USB device on port 11 |
| 20:10.15 | anakron | snp: and, can't read configurations, error -22 |
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| 20:11.19 | snp | anakron: when do you get those messages? |
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| 20:11.39 | snp | is it from dmesg? |
| 20:11.53 | anakron | as soon as I connect theopenmoko to my VMware VM |
| 20:12.01 | anakron | yes it's from dmsg |
| 20:12.16 | snp | but is there any device node setup? |
| 20:12.48 | anakron | how do you mean device node setup? |
| 20:12.57 | snp | under /dev/ |
| 20:13.01 | anakron | it does not create a device |
| 20:13.10 | snp | are you sure? |
| 20:13.41 | anakron | wouldn't dmesg tell me about a new created device node? |
| 20:14.03 | snp | it sounds more of a debug message telling you something. But that must not mean that the device isn't setup. |
| 20:14.06 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * re05faa07515f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up assassin version to 244 |
| 20:14.06 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r21895bf33f04 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] Bump up to 398dfc8513a3a7429d23a1e66a7019fc8e28aafc |
| 20:14.49 | snp | anakron: have you installed everything according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util ? |
| 20:15.13 | anakron | I don't think the problem is in debian |
| 20:15.29 | snp | anakron: well make sure you have everything installed first |
| 20:15.51 | anakron | As i can get i working the same way I get it working under MacOS X |
| 20:16.20 | snp | well they are two completely different systems |
| 20:16.33 | anakron | but the problem is related |
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| 20:17.01 | snp | but still, make sure you have all the packages installed. |
| 20:17.04 | anakron | I belive it's the apple CDCACM driver |
| 20:17.10 | anakron | yes |
| 20:17.28 | snp | then you can run lsusb I guess to see attached devices |
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| 20:18.19 | TAsn | opkg upgrade killed my gtk2007 |
| 20:18.22 | snp | any german here? |
| 20:18.41 | anakron | lsusb doesn't show a new device after I plugged it in |
| 20:19.07 | snp | ./proc/bus/usb says something? |
| 20:19.32 | mwester | wonders why o why people blindly opkg update everything??! Microsoft has trained us well... |
| 20:20.17 | anakron | nop, no change there |
| 20:20.18 | balrog-k1n | opkg updates mwester |
| 20:20.20 | mwester | thinks some re-training is in order, and everyone who gets a FR should spend a week in a datacenter to learn why you don't *ever* "update" something. |
| 20:20.25 | snp | anakron: is there anything? :) |
| 20:20.42 | mwester | gets updated, panics, corrupts boot sector, and crashes. |
| 20:20.45 | anakron | yes the vmware usb hub |
| 20:20.53 | snp | mwester: use gentoo for a while and you'll learn for sure! |
| 20:21.50 | snp | anakron: well then my guess is that there is something in vmware since it doesn't register any device |
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| 20:22.34 | mwester | decides to be lazy (side effect of last opkg update to self) and rather than reading the channel log, asks what the problem is with vmware? |
| 20:22.45 | anakron | i think its even before VMware. My guess is that some OS X driver is intterfering with it |
| 20:23.22 | mwester | VMware WS 6.5, or Server 1.x? |
| 20:23.23 | ritz | hello, i have flashed my moko with 200815 image and i noticed that fonts appears big |
| 20:23.32 | ritz | wrt gtk apps |
| 20:23.34 | anakron | I'm not able to flash openmoko with dfu-util inside WMware Fusion (MacOS X) |
| 20:24.06 | snp | anakron: sorry for not being to help more.. Good luck! |
| 20:24.18 | anakron | no problem |
| 20:24.19 | mwester | Ah ok -- sorry, VMware of various sorts here, but only on Windows and Linux hosts. :( |
| 20:24.31 | anakron | snp: thanks for your time |
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| 20:25.06 | anakron | mwester: are you able to flash from inside a VM under Windows or Linux? |
| 20:25.16 | jones | i couldnt see, does the gta2 have a full sized sd slot |
| 20:25.34 | mwester | I've not actually tried; I've jsut always assumed that I could if necessary. I should give it a try, I suppose. |
| 20:26.13 | mwester | always dual boots up into Linux on the host, because USB networking and routing is such a PITA on Windows in the first place. |
| 20:26.29 | anakron | would be nice so I could tell the problem is only Mac realted |
| 20:26.40 | viq | jones: only microSD under the SIM card |
| 20:26.46 | anakron | USB networking works fine inside the VM |
| 20:27.06 | jones | damn, 32gig sd cards are cheap too |
| 20:30.04 | sicu|away | jones: didn't know the 32gig ones were for sale yet...? |
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| 20:30.59 | Wonka | i'd like an additional full-size SDHC reader... |
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| 20:31.21 | Wonka | so i could use 8gig microSDHC for system and a bigger SDHC for data :) |
| 20:31.25 | jones | i'l grab the link |
| 20:31.31 | jones | i can get 16ig micro sd |
| 20:31.39 | jones | http://www.memorybits.co.uk/ |
| 20:31.50 | jones | i'll get a direct link once ff speeds up |
| 20:32.53 | jones | http://www.memorybits.co.uk/index.php?cPath=756&sort=2a&filter_id=221 |
| 20:33.07 | jones | there are hundreds of discount vouchers for that site too |
| 20:34.37 | mwester | VMware Workstation 6.5 can see the device when you connect it, and can begin to interact with it, but it loses the USB device when dfu-util resets USB -- so it doesn't look like dfu-util will work with VMware. |
| 20:35.45 | jones | http://www.memorybits.co.uk/index.php?cPath=755&sort=2a&filter_id=209 |
| 20:35.51 | jones | 16gig microSD |
| 20:36.01 | Tm_T | hmm |
| 20:36.14 | anakron | mwester: ok thank you, maybe I will try to find a solution in a VMware forum |
| 20:36.19 | Tm_T | I'm still waiting 32 GB micro |
| 20:36.28 | jones | they will be good |
| 20:36.42 | jones | i thought 32 Gig SD was cheaper |
| 20:37.57 | TAsn | does the moko even support sd>8? |
| 20:38.08 | Tm_T | does |
| 20:40.44 | mwester | anakron: I take that back; dfu-util is actually able to download the kernel image (slowly) if you do not do anything else to the FR (especially use dfu-util with the -R (reset) option). |
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| 20:40.56 | mwester | So it works, but it's not ideal in any way. |
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| 20:44.39 | anakron | ok thank you for trying out |
| 20:47.27 | slaxxin | http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000NO8BO0?ie=UTF8&condition=new&tag=shopzilla_rev_1356-20&linkCode=asn |
| 20:47.28 | TAsn | Tm_T, so COOL! :) |
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| 21:01.24 | Gnutoo | is there any browser that support https for om2008.8? because minimo segfaults on a https webpage ,and the openmoko-browser2 and the midori browser don't open such pages... |
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| 21:03.15 | pb__ | firefox? |
| 21:05.53 | TAsn | what other than apm reads battery status in moko? |
| 21:06.07 | TAsn | because apm data read is broken for me. |
| 21:08.02 | Gnutoo | so i'll have to build firefox or is there a package? |
| 21:08.54 | Gnutoo | or should i install a lib that render all browser magically capable of https? |
| 21:09.15 | lindi- | Gnutoo: have you reported a bug about the crash? |
| 21:09.32 | Gnutoo | lindi-, no ...ok i'll do it tomorrow |
| 21:11.58 | mwester | apm isn't used to get battery data on the FR. |
| 21:12.41 | TAsn | mwester, then what is? |
| 21:12.49 | TAsn | since battery applet in gtk2007 uses apm |
| 21:13.23 | Gnutoo | ok i'll see that tomorrow...bye |
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| 21:17.36 | TAsn | mwester, bq27000? |
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| 21:21.45 | tdobson | why is opkg giving me error 17 - bad signature |
| 21:22.11 | tdobson | oh wait I get it, how do I install angstrom's gpg key |
| 21:22.41 | mwester | TAsn: I dunno specifically what files are involved, but you need to listen for kernel events from the kernel -- I seem to recall that nodes in /sys are involved. |
| 21:23.06 | TAsn | i found the correct nodes. |
| 21:23.06 | TAsn | let me explain |
| 21:23.10 | TAsn | im using the gtk image |
| 21:23.20 | mwester | (And yes, the apm data should roughly reflect reality, but IIRC it only does that on the GTA01, or if you use a non-columb-counter battery on the GTA02) |
| 21:23.23 | TAsn | which relied on apm for power management |
| 21:23.43 | mwester | Yep, that image pre-dates the new kernel stuff. |
| 21:23.48 | TAsn | i know. |
| 21:23.53 | TAsn | i update the kernel |
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| 21:23.57 | TAsn | updated* |
| 21:24.06 | TAsn | which broke power management |
| 21:24.23 | mwester | mutters something about that not being the only power management problem the GTA02 has... |
| 21:24.38 | TAsn | broke charging and battery status |
| 21:24.38 | TAsn | ;\ |
| 21:25.03 | TAsn | can't find the daemon responsible for changing circuits to charge |
| 21:25.17 | mwester | There is no daemon involved. |
| 21:25.18 | TAsn | do you by any change know it's name? |
| 21:25.31 | TAsn | mwester, kernel does that alone? |
| 21:25.39 | TAsn | oh, it does :) |
| 21:25.41 | TAsn | nvm |
| 21:25.44 | mwester | Yep. |
| 21:25.45 | TAsn | just cheked. |
| 21:25.52 | TAsn | sec i will just fix battery applet then :) |
| 21:25.56 | TAsn | cool thanks a lot. |
| 21:26.13 | mwester | but userspace *should* be involved; it was just never implemented on 2007.2 -- featuers like forcing fast-charge, etc. |
| 21:26.50 | mwester | The new kernels are VERY conservative in what they pull in terms of current from the USB. |
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| 21:28.30 | mwester | So unless one uses a script (there's one on projects.openmoko.org, for example) that forces the fast charge mode, the device will only pull 100ma from a auto power adapator -- because it cannot negotiate otherwise -- and as a result, the battery will actually discharge even though my power adaptor is easily able to supply an amp (or more)... |
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| 22:15.48 | TAsn | mwester, thanks, i fixed the applet |
| 22:15.56 | TAsn | i will clean the code and up it somewhere tomorrow. |
| 22:15.57 | TAsn | ;) |
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| 22:29.07 | wurp2|working | Does anyone know how to restrict the search tree for Qtopia? |
| 22:29.47 | wurp2|working | I really don't want to see all my tango maps in my picture list, nor every log file or code snippet in my notes list. |
| 22:30.40 | wurp2|working | Ack, gotta go, so I guess I'll ask again later :-) |
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| 22:39.52 | hipitihop | waves good morning to the troops |
| 22:40.19 | torero | hello :) |
| 22:42.34 | ljp | wurp2|gone: http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/syscust-docstorage.html |
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| 22:57.19 | Dave | Goodmorning, HIppityhop |
| 22:57.27 | Dave | salutes weakly |
| 22:57.32 | hipitihop | Dave still up ? |
| 22:58.46 | Dave | Still up? |
| 22:58.52 | Dave | Of course! |
| 22:58.58 | Dave | I'm always up for some openmoko! :D |
| 22:59.06 | hipitihop | clearly |
| 22:59.12 | Dave | even if it's severely impaired and mentally challenged moko |
| 22:59.14 | Dave | :p |
| 22:59.30 | Dave | moko moko moko |
| 22:59.46 | hipitihop | Dave mumbles in his sleep |
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| 23:00.21 | Dave | :D |
| 23:00.21 | Mononoke | someone should make anime about openmoko |
| 23:00.27 | Dave | *cough* |
| 23:00.33 | Dave | First a webcomic. |
| 23:01.16 | Mononoke | and a song |
| 23:01.32 | Dave | blah |
| 23:01.34 | Mononoke | probably two songs so we'll have starting and ending |
| 23:02.25 | Mononoke | or for propagation openmoko could be sticked on whales and elephants |
| 23:02.57 | Mononoke | so you could always phone your elephant and get it's exact location... maybe try local wifi >.> |
| 23:03.07 | Dave | o_O |
| 23:04.31 | Mononoke | =] I'll go to sleep before I'll think of taking over the world with openmoko attached to shark heads |
| 23:04.35 | TAsn | is it just me or the accuracy of the gps is something about 25m+-? |
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| 23:09.27 | edistar | Mononoke: I'll help! |
| 23:10.52 | hipitihop | what size SD is required for the Debian stack and how are calls/sms ? |
| 23:10.53 | zash | is there usb-lasers? |
| 23:11.12 | edistar | hipitihop: 500mb is just about enough.. zhone works fine |
| 23:11.26 | TAsn | edistar, that's not quite true |
| 23:11.33 | mjr | hipitihop, the default will do, the calls, well, last I checked had some intermittent issues |
| 23:11.35 | TAsn | zhone works fine doing what it does. |
| 23:11.43 | TAsn | it just does almost nothing ;) |
| 23:11.51 | edistar | TAsn: it does telephone and sms |
| 23:11.59 | TAsn | partial sms |
| 23:12.02 | TAsn | sms only on sim |
| 23:12.21 | edistar | TAsn: yeah, but it does do them.. just has limited capacity |
| 23:12.34 | TAsn | and on some sims like mine |
| 23:12.39 | TAsn | it doesn't work at all. |
| 23:12.44 | TAsn | phone logs do not exist |
| 23:12.46 | TAsn | etc etc |
| 23:13.18 | TAsn | just to make things clear. |
| 23:13.23 | TAsn | i use zhone :( |
| 23:13.26 | TAsn | * ;) |
| 23:13.32 | TAsn | it's just not *that* ready yet. |
| 23:13.58 | TAsn | anyhow, im off to bed |
| 23:14.01 | TAsn | gn. :) |
| 23:14.12 | edistar | gn8! |
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| 23:18.24 | Dave | fuck |
| 23:18.35 | Dave | brokenmoko |
| 23:19.23 | hipitihop | wonderds what Dave has managed to do to his moko |
| 23:20.27 | Dave | IT HAS FAILED ME ONCE AGAIN |
| 23:20.43 | Dave | glances over to his blender |
| 23:20.49 | XorA|hols | will it blend? |
| 23:21.03 | hipitihop | ooh moko blood |
| 23:21.18 | ShellEvil | passes dave a label marked 'This device is not a floatation device. It should not be used as a life-preserver'. |
| 23:21.35 | Dave | :D |
| 23:22.01 | Dave | meh, I'd rather take a 270 to it :) |
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| 23:22.27 | Dave | Shoot a moko from 100yd |
| 23:22.41 | Dave | and watch the Glamo literally EXPLODE |
| 23:22.43 | Dave | yeehaw |
| 23:23.16 | XorA|hols | suspend/resume issues? |
| 23:23.16 | hipitihop | nice shootin chocolate moose |
| 23:25.01 | hipitihop | goes off to do some real work |
| 23:25.05 | Dave | heh |
| 23:25.20 | Dave | Xora, everything issues? |
| 23:30.18 | XorA|hols | Dave: blend it then add chocolate |
| 23:30.30 | XorA|hols | Choco Moko :-D |
| 23:32.04 | iormz_ | Moko in Mexico is bugger in english :S |
| 23:32.23 | ShellEvil | I think you mean booger. |
| 23:33.01 | zash | never heard that before |
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| 23:33.28 | balrog-k1n | you can translate it as mucus |
| 23:34.57 | XorA|hols | Open Buggery is more fun :-D |
| 23:35.03 | iormz_ | balrog-k1n, yeap.. mucus will do it :P |
| 23:36.25 | Dave | Xora :D |
| 23:36.29 | Dave | What a brilliant idea! |
| 23:36.38 | Dave | and perhaps a decent marketing ploy, as well! |
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| 23:37.50 | Dave | hols? |
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| 23:46.47 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 23:46.48 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 23:46.53 | Dave | hey apt |
| 23:46.56 | Dave | fuck you |
| 23:47.01 | Dave | :) |
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| 23:52.33 | torero | so... just to cool off the environment... i tried the Coherence upnp framework with the FR today, and well, it works, so i can stream my music to the PS3 or anything upnp compatible |
| 23:53.00 | edistar | torero: the other way round would be more useful, don't you think? |
| 23:53.32 | torero | well its cool if you go to your friends house and to play your music on their stereo or something |
| 23:53.49 | torero | but yes, the other way would be nice as well |
| 23:53.52 | edistar | yeah.. but can the FR cope? |
| 23:53.56 | balrog-k1n | especially with them protesting aloud |
| 23:54.06 | torero | but right now i just tried it as a mediaserver not as a mediarenderer |
| 23:54.14 | FxChiP_ | NICE |
| 23:54.21 | torero | balrog-k1n: thats why you should carry only nice music |
| 23:54.40 | torero | soft, jazz or something |
| 23:54.49 | torero | but it was a bit slow i have to accept |
| 23:54.55 | FxChiP_ | Mobile jukebox indeed |
| 23:54.58 | balrog-k1n | yeah, i know, death metal |
| 23:55.00 | torero | but not unusable |
| 23:55.27 | *** part/#openmoko |FiLiP| (n=Filip@213.219.172.68.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net) |
| 23:55.39 | torero | and well, twisted works too so im making a web interface for the pictures and music |
| 23:56.15 | Dave | freerunnerable |
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| 23:56.22 | torero | i guess ill open a project in the openmokosite |
| 23:56.50 | torero | freerunnerable indeed |
| 23:57.24 | torero | btw anyone knows how does OMview names the thumbnails? it looks like an md5 hash but i dont know of what |
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