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| 00:05.01 | TAsn | still can't get it to work |
| 00:05.08 | TAsn | i think i found the right libs |
| 00:05.13 | TAsn | they were under |
| 00:05.19 | TAsn | /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib |
| 00:05.30 | TAsn | though changing the makefile doesn't do the trick for some reason. |
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| 00:05.35 | TAsn | it's still not listening ;) |
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| 00:10.03 | Wonka | mh. mh. can i get zhone (or matchbox-window-manager) to start an external application? |
| 00:10.16 | Wonka | like, maybe, tangogps? |
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| 00:25.03 | prjktdtnt | does anyone have the device identifier that is used for the -d argument for the neo1973? |
| 00:25.22 | prjktdtnt | i have the one for the FR already but I don't have a 1973 to check on |
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| 00:26.23 | celtune1 | prjktdtnt:for the neo1973 its 0x1457:0x5119 |
| 00:26.34 | prjktdtnt | celtune1: thanks :) |
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| 00:26.40 | celtune1 | yw :) |
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| 00:55.06 | prjktdtnt | the correct alternative for updating uboot is -a u-boot correct? |
| 00:56.01 | prjktdtnt | nm, found what i was looking for actually |
| 01:00.50 | ronny | bbl |
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| 01:13.11 | Sargun | hey, what is the "/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/reset" file |
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| 01:20.43 | ChooseOpen | Hello all! Question about FSO Milestone3 on the Neo1973... I get an error trying to install the gllin driver package... |
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| 01:38.31 | prjktdtnt | now to test to see if my new bash script works! |
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| 01:43.31 | prjktdtnt | jumps for joy |
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| 01:44.10 | prjktdtnt | I'm going to send an e-mail to community, wrote a bash script that makes flashing the kernel, u-boot and rootfs much easier if you have multiple dfu capable devices enabled |
| 01:49.07 | ChooseOpen | cool! |
| 01:50.17 | prjktdtnt | is anyone able to make their own gforge project? |
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| 01:54.04 | prjktdtnt | One other question I have for the community, if you're developing a project which do you feel is better CVS or SVN? |
| 01:54.44 | raster | if u are starting anew with a scms |
| 01:54.44 | raster | svn |
| 01:54.55 | raster | if u already have cvs - is itsn tthat bad |
| 01:55.01 | prjktdtnt | svn it is then :) thanks |
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| 02:03.12 | prjktdtnt | ok e-mail has been sent to community and gforge request has been submitted |
| 02:08.33 | prjktdtnt | just flashed to FDOM using it, so much easier than typing out the hex codes, could someone with a 1973 try it out and verify it works for them, also I haven't tested if u-boot actually flashes since I don't have a dboard if it doesn't work |
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| 02:30.00 | slaxxin | am i mistaken or did i see some slackware specifif commands in usb-networking alrightythen |
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| 02:41.51 | jaj | hmm can you actually use the Freerunner as a phone when you install debian? |
| 02:42.10 | rwhitby | yes, when it works |
| 02:42.23 | jaj | are the packages available for gsmd, the dialer and so on? |
| 02:42.40 | rwhitby | fso-* and zhone |
| 02:43.03 | rwhitby | in the pkg-fso feed |
| 02:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | night! |
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| 02:43.42 | jaj | thank you! |
| 02:45.35 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4642 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/ (6 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 02:45.35 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Highlights: |
| 02:45.35 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - also non-root users can access USB TMC devices |
| 02:45.35 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - prototype of an interactive analyzer for digital signals |
| 02:45.35 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Details: |
| 02:45.37 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - etc/40-usbtmc-permissions.rules: udev rules to make all USB TMC devices |
| 02:45.41 | CIA-22 | openmoko: belong to group "usbtmc" with group write access |
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| 02:59.26 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4643 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/vds/ (. trigger vds.py view): |
| 02:59.26 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Tools for monitoring MMC/SD/SDIO operations: |
| 02:59.26 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - vds.py iterates acquisition through a number of messages and stores the |
| 02:59.26 | CIA-22 | openmoko: results for further analysis |
| 02:59.26 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - trigger: helper script to set the trigger point on the device |
| 02:59.29 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - view: gnuplot wrapper for a first glance at the data |
| 03:01.35 | prjktdtnt | hopefully this script will be useful to others in the community, if anyone is going to do just a standard flash with dfu-util tonight could you give DFUScript a try and let me know how it works for you |
| 03:01.36 | prjktdtnt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/DFUScript |
| 03:02.37 | rwhitby | prjktdtnt: flashing u-boot cannot brick a freerunner, only a 1973. |
| 03:02.57 | rwhitby | it is not possible to damage a freerunner using dfu-util alone |
| 03:03.04 | prjktdtnt | rwhitby: thanks, i'll update that on the wiki page and the script |
| 03:03.08 | prjktdtnt | i wasn't aware of that |
| 03:03.24 | rwhitby | (it's easy to brick a neo 1973 by overwriting u-boot however) |
| 03:03.40 | prjktdtnt | ok so freerunner won't brick but 1973 will then? |
| 03:03.44 | rwhitby | read up on nor vs nand u-boot on the wiki for details of freerunner brickage protection |
| 03:03.49 | prjktdtnt | using dfu-util anyway |
| 03:04.02 | rwhitby | yes, 1973 can be bricked, freerunner can't. |
| 03:04.34 | prjktdtnt | ok, also both devices would require a NOR boot to flash correct? |
| 03:04.55 | rwhitby | 1973 doesn't have nor |
| 03:05.29 | rwhitby | if freerunner nand u-boot is working then it can be used to flash. you only need to use the freerunner nor boot if the nand u-boot is corrupted |
| 03:05.54 | prjktdtnt | i learn something new daily |
| 03:05.56 | rwhitby | but it is convenient just to always use nor on freerunner to flash |
| 03:06.57 | prjktdtnt | that is how I've been doing it |
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| 03:08.24 | prjktdtnt | overall (other than the few errors such as NAND vs NOR and differences of the FR vs 1973 how do you like it? |
| 03:08.48 | rwhitby | I'm not your target audience |
| 03:09.12 | prjktdtnt | I guess i'll have to see what feedback I get on the community list then |
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| 03:12.52 | rooly | sides with rwhitby |
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| 03:14.00 | shaz | hi folks |
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| 03:15.34 | shaz | Has anyone ported sun java J2SE on FR |
| 03:15.48 | prjktdtnt | rwhitby: thanks for all the info, the wiki page and scripts have both been updated |
| 03:16.13 | prjktdtnt | err script rather |
| 03:17.31 | ChooseOpen | Hello all! Question about FSO Milestone3 on the Neo1973... I get an error trying to install the gllin driver package. Anyone experience this? |
| 03:17.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | shaz, o_0 wtf? |
| 03:19.39 | shaz | Is that too much? |
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| 03:49.02 | Shlee | Hey, flashing a new FR for the first time - using the FSO MS3 uImage and rootfs. Where can I find the new uboot? |
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| 03:54.14 | Shlee | n/m found it. |
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| 03:59.20 | slaxxin | are there any other web pages like FDOM that we should be aware of? |
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| 04:12.34 | kelvie | is having the latest u-boot important? |
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| 04:17.57 | Shlee | No. |
| 04:18.17 | Shlee | The revision on the phone is 1.3.2 rc2 and the latest stable is 1.3.2 |
| 04:18.28 | Shlee | but, might aswell do it the first time |
| 04:19.17 | Shlee | Anyone compiled scummvm yet? |
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| 04:45.48 | hil__ | takes the question from openmoko-cdevel and pastes it in openmoko |
| 04:45.50 | hil__ | hi all. I'm trying to build a custom kernel for openmoko. I already have a patch but I can't find out the convention for applying this patch. I need to use the kernel version 2.6.24.3 plus a patch file. Do I need a git repository setup on the build system? |
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| 05:48.06 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 05:48.35 | nullpuppy | ponders between FSO MS3 or current 2008.8/9/whatever |
| 05:48.49 | prjktdtnt | nullpuppy: Using FDOM myself |
| 05:48.52 | slaxxin | i tried fs3 3 |
| 05:49.06 | slaxxin | went to FDOM |
| 05:49.17 | slaxxin | there now |
| 05:49.36 | KenYoung | slaxxin, What did you not like about FS 3? |
| 05:49.48 | nullpuppy | fdom? where about do i get that? |
| 05:50.06 | slaxxin | cant quit playing that damn game had to put it on the wifes windows mnachine just so i can use me freerunner |
| 05:50.11 | nullpuppy | has been sort of out of the loop lately, school started back up and out of time ;) |
| 05:50.44 | slaxxin | no sms no calander |
| 05:50.44 | KenYoung | nullpuppy, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM_-_a_Fat_and_Dirty_OM_based_distribution |
| 05:51.05 | nullpuppy | haha |
| 05:51.07 | nullpuppy | looks |
| 05:51.29 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.46 | slaxxin | it works very well i might add |
| 05:52.38 | nullpuppy | alright. |
| 05:52.42 | nullpuppy | how is it speed wise? |
| 05:52.56 | nullpuppy | i've been using 2007.2 since 2008.8 was slooooow last time i tried. |
| 05:52.58 | KenYoung | Same as OM 2008.8, which is what it is. |
| 05:52.59 | slaxxin | good tango version with a dark background with several types of maps to choose from |
| 05:53.04 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 05:53.23 | slaxxin | must try |
| 05:53.47 | nullpuppy | k |
| 05:53.48 | slaxxin | numptyphysics |
| 05:53.51 | nullpuppy | downloads |
| 05:54.03 | nullpuppy | still tempted to at least take a look at fso though |
| 05:54.18 | nullpuppy | think the last version i ran was ms1 though |
| 05:54.22 | slaxxin | well go ahead |
| 05:54.41 | slaxxin | there are some improvements |
| 05:55.06 | undrwater | slaxxin: many from ms2? |
| 05:55.14 | slaxxin | well |
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| 05:55.23 | slaxxin | i dont really know |
| 05:55.44 | slaxxin | i only had it on foe 8 hours |
| 05:55.45 | nullpuppy | is the fdom mirror better then the main site? |
| 05:55.54 | nullpuppy | doesn't want to wait 40mins |
| 05:56.03 | slaxxin | it was slow to dl |
| 05:56.14 | slaxxin | 100 megs |
| 05:56.16 | nullpuppy | nevermind, mirror doesn't have the tar.gz |
| 05:56.26 | undrwater | anyone using the google maps via fdom? is there a site that describes what's happening? cause when i zoom in, i'm getting pixelated images |
| 05:57.49 | slaxxin | underwarter do u have debian on sd too? |
| 05:57.55 | undrwater | slaxxin: yes |
| 05:58.15 | slaxxin | can i save these maps to debian ? |
| 05:58.36 | undrwater | slaxxin: good question...i don't want to save them yet...cause they look so horrible |
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| 05:58.52 | slaxxin | debian tmp or somewhere else? |
| 05:59.10 | slaxxin | what would be the path? |
| 05:59.55 | undrwater | from flash side i'm using /media/mmcblk0p2/Maps/... |
| 06:00.01 | slaxxin | somewhere that both os can access them/share them |
| 06:00.08 | undrwater | on SD that just makes it /Maps |
| 06:00.38 | slaxxin | seperate partition? |
| 06:01.02 | undrwater | SD has 2 partitions...1 for kernel, the other for rootfs |
| 06:01.10 | slaxxin | yes |
| 06:01.30 | undrwater | so when i boot SD, the maps dir is /Maps |
| 06:01.38 | slaxxin | fat kernel an ext2 rootfs |
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| 06:01.56 | undrwater | when i boot straight, the maps dir is /media/mmcblk0p2/Maps/... |
| 06:02.13 | undrwater | slaxxin: i think i'm using 2 ext2...but same concept |
| 06:03.00 | slaxxin | so i can set the 2008.8 tango to /media/mmcblk0p2/Maps/ |
| 06:03.17 | slaxxin | an debian will use the same? |
| 06:03.32 | undrwater | tango in deb? |
| 06:03.39 | dns53 | it should work fine, though debian would see it as /Maps |
| 06:03.47 | undrwater | dns53: thanks |
| 06:04.01 | slaxxin | well i dont have it setup yet im just trying to get the idea |
| 06:04.14 | undrwater | got the idea? |
| 06:04.20 | slaxxin | yea |
| 06:04.22 | undrwater | :D |
| 06:04.44 | dns53 | tango is cool, you should also use the maps-for-free and openaerial maps as well |
| 06:05.07 | nullpuppy | you could also create a /Maps symlink on internal flash so you'd have the same path either way.... |
| 06:05.10 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 06:05.13 | slaxxin | i saw that an used them |
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| 06:06.10 | prjktdtnt | talking on my laptop tethered through my FR :) |
| 06:06.27 | slaxxin | yay |
| 06:07.08 | prjktdtnt | SLOW for sure but at least now I can remote into servers or check e-mail so long as I have reception! |
| 06:08.38 | prjktdtnt | going to run a speed test, should be interesting to see |
| 06:08.53 | prjktdtnt | if the page will ever load |
| 06:10.19 | undrwater | what browser? |
| 06:10.30 | prjktdtnt | firefox on my laptop |
| 06:10.48 | prjktdtnt | ok now it's starting to load |
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| 06:10.51 | undrwater | FR providing GPRS? |
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| 06:11.14 | prjktdtnt | i think they said it would be close to dial-up, they weren't kidding! |
| 06:11.24 | prjktdtnt | undrwater: yes |
| 06:11.34 | prjktdtnt | FDOM with modified chatscripts for t-mobile |
| 06:11.44 | prjktdtnt | and iptables installed |
| 06:13.09 | prjktdtnt | the ping is over 1000ms, speed test is just BARELY starting |
| 06:16.02 | prjktdtnt | 49kbps download |
| 06:16.27 | undrwater | not bad ;) |
| 06:16.37 | undrwater | that's better than the dialup i can get here |
| 06:17.01 | prjktdtnt | true, i've got 12mbps cable though so this is PAINFUL to watch |
| 06:17.06 | prjktdtnt | the upload isn't even moving yet |
| 06:18.37 | prjktdtnt | that's ok, the part of it I wanted to use it for works, administration of linux servers when not near a wifi hotspot or browsing when at a friend's house that has no internet |
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| 06:20.26 | prjktdtnt_ | had to swap back to my wifi router, that was painfully slow |
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| 06:21.05 | prjktdtnt_ | vs my 14830kb/s down and 5598kb/s up connection |
| 06:21.11 | undrwater | remember when the internet was friendly at that speed? |
| 06:21.50 | prjktdtnt_ | sadly yes, when I first got a computer in the late 90's we had 56k, was lucky to get 14.4+ out of it |
| 06:24.46 | dns53 | i remember maxing out the 56k for hours |
| 06:25.06 | prjktdtnt_ | lol my dad HATED when I tied up the phone all day |
| 06:25.34 | prjktdtnt_ | ...how long before my other freenode connection will drop (phone's GPRS has been disabled now)? it's annoying to see the _ in my name |
| 06:25.45 | undrwater | those were the days...i didn't have any friends...cause no one could call me |
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| 06:26.24 | dns53 | we had another modem line |
| 06:26.43 | undrwater | i couldn't afford one...i did have a pager tho |
| 06:26.55 | undrwater | that never rang either |
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| 07:11.02 | ieatlint | my god, never watch a tv show called "10th kingdom" |
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| 07:19.23 | me | news about the release date of om 2008.9? |
| 07:22.08 | `6og | there is one? |
| 07:23.41 | ieatlint | has anyone tried attaching a floppy disk drive to the freerunner? |
| 07:24.24 | `6og | o_0 |
| 07:24.25 | Sup3rkiddo | :O |
| 07:25.07 | undrwater | ieatlint: superdrive |
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| 07:25.26 | undrwater | scsi |
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| 07:26.46 | undrwater | do i actually do "make today" on FDOM? |
| 07:27.00 | ieatlint | let's have a "who can get the weirdest hardware working with the FR" contest |
| 07:27.05 | undrwater | or does he mean that if i opkg update / upgrade i'll have upgraded to today |
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| 07:27.46 | undrwater | rummages through his box of legacy equipment |
| 07:28.04 | undrwater | vr2 tape drive? |
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| 07:28.25 | undrwater | scsi 6-cd changer |
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| 07:28.44 | undrwater | that's still kinda cool if slow |
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| 07:29.35 | Bill | lol.. familiar feelings... should go through my "old stuff" box too some day.. |
| 07:29.48 | Bill | i bet i'll find a bunch of ISA network cards and stuff.. |
| 07:30.37 | ieatlint | ne2000.... oh the memories |
| 07:31.51 | Bill | yeah |
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| 07:35.44 | undrwater | isapnpdump |
| 07:35.48 | Wonka | i got one ISA NE2000 with BNC connector only... |
| 07:35.49 | undrwater | irq= |
| 07:35.52 | undrwater | dma= |
| 07:36.01 | Wonka | undrwater: no PNP there |
| 07:36.05 | Bill | hehe.. oldtimers |
| 07:36.31 | undrwater | there was a pnpdump command...dun remember if it had "isa" attached |
| 07:37.00 | Wonka | undrwater: i meant the card didn't do any pnp stuff. you configured it with jumpers |
| 07:37.55 | ieatlint | my god what have i started.. |
| 07:37.57 | undrwater | got it...i think there was some early pnp stuff where the OS tried to figure out what the card reported... |
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| 07:38.26 | undrwater | it was a long time ago (in computer terms) and i was a compy newb then anyway...so i'll not argue the point |
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| 07:42.23 | diego___ | undrwater, in the beginning of isa bus, there was no pnp at all |
| 07:43.18 | diego___ | anybody kwow, how to turn off the phone with FSO? |
| 07:46.33 | Bill | hold the power button for more than 8 sec |
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| 07:50.26 | ieatlint | that doesn't really turn it off correctly methinks |
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| 07:51.12 | Bill | it will |
| 07:51.19 | Bill | tried many many times last night :) |
| 07:51.38 | Bill | hmh. new fdom out... |
| 07:52.10 | Bill | got wsod often enough with last one not to have it everyday.. let's try the new one.. |
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| 08:08.18 | Zoup | where can i download om2007 images ? |
| 08:09.10 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download |
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| 08:13.58 | Sargun | bo |
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| 08:18.53 | Zoup | how stable is om2008 now ? |
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| 08:19.50 | prjktdtnt_ | Zoup: I'm using FDOM (based on om2008) as my daily phone with no problems (unless you lock the screen at the same time you're suspending, I also disabled auto suspend |
| 08:20.01 | ieatlint | whiskey is good though |
| 08:20.26 | Zoup | is this time to ugprade to om2008 from 2007 ? :) |
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| 08:20.58 | prjktdtnt_ | Zoup: I did, haven't gone back |
| 08:21.14 | prjktdtnt_ | I have dabbled in FSO and Qtopia but just keep coming back to om2008 based images |
| 08:21.31 | dolf1074 | same experience here |
| 08:21.39 | Zoup | prjktdtnt_: i was thinking about Qtopia , how is that ? |
| 08:22.15 | Zoup | is illume keyboard 'more sane' now ? |
| 08:22.17 | prjktdtnt_ | Zoup: it's ok, better than 2007.2 but I still prefer 2008.8 personally |
| 08:23.03 | ieatlint | oh no, the cat goes for the whiskey |
| 08:23.09 | prjktdtnt_ | again I'm using FDOM which is a customized version of om2008, works really well |
| 08:23.35 | prjktdtnt_ | ieatlint: going to hit the ballmer peak? |
| 08:23.42 | Zoup | prjktdtnt_: are you using GPRS ? is this working better now with om2008 ? |
| 08:23.47 | ieatlint | i wish i could |
| 08:24.04 | ieatlint | but i'm on an eee... and i've long since determined that i cannot program on an eee :( |
| 08:24.32 | |hama| | prjktdtnt: i dl the current release from FDOM, how is suspend working? |
| 08:25.14 | prjktdtnt | |hama| i only use manual suspend but it's working without issues that I can see |
| 08:25.36 | prjktdtnt | I disable auto suspend as it seems to cause too many problems |
| 08:26.02 | prjktdtnt | ieatlint: eee 900 or 700? |
| 08:26.12 | ieatlint | 702, technically |
| 08:26.19 | |hama| | prjktdtnt: that sounds great :) i use ms3 since its release and it works (nearly) well... |
| 08:26.20 | ieatlint | but 701 |
| 08:26.38 | prjktdtnt | |hama| i had too many problems with SMS to use it daily |
| 08:27.15 | |hama| | prjktdtnt: i see. sms is a feature me isnt using at all, so i didn miss anythg... |
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| 08:28.10 | Gnutoo | hello,I HAVE BATTLE FOR WESNOTH RUNNING ON THE FREERUNNER!!!! |
| 08:28.13 | |hama| | prjktdtnt: but that is no reason to test other distris... |
| 08:28.15 | prjktdtnt | |hama| I use SMS more than voice since I'm at work most of my week, well the portions of it I'm awake for anyway |
| 08:28.28 | |hama| | Gnutoo: :)) very nice!! |
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| 08:28.50 | Bill | ms3 has one major issue for me.. i didn't find a way how to import my contacts to zhone database |
| 08:28.51 | prjktdtnt | |hama| I like FSO but I use my phone as my only phone so I have to have voice and SMS, GPRS is nice to have now too though |
| 08:29.09 | |hama| | prjktdtnt: grrr, mean: no reason NOT to test other distris... |
| 08:29.26 | Gnutoo | |hama|, i've done it with some help and my bb file is badly written...and it runs on 2008.8 |
| 08:29.44 | prjktdtnt | |hama| absolutely, I have tried 2007.2, 2008.8, 2008.8-update, FDOM and FSO M3 |
| 08:29.58 | Bill | same here.. ive tried everything i can get my hands on to |
| 08:30.38 | quickdev | I'd like my application to be listed on the start screen. Where do I have to add something? |
| 08:30.49 | |hama| | Gnutoo: is there a way to get ur packages? |
| 08:30.56 | Bill | atm i only have one issue with the stability.. and it's the same everywhere. wsod.. |
| 08:31.09 | prjktdtnt | I'd like to get a running copy of SHR actually. |
| 08:31.20 | |hama| | me didnt tried debian for now.. need a larger sd-card :) |
| 08:31.40 | prjktdtnt | haven't tried debian either for the same reason |
| 08:31.44 | Gnutoo | |hama|, yes there is...i will share it with the source... |
| 08:32.01 | |hama| | bill: same here. there are issues in evry release... |
| 08:32.19 | Gnutoo | |hama|, but i must work for my math exam...mabe in some hours i'll make the package available but where can i put it? |
| 08:32.20 | |hama| | but all starting is hard... |
| 08:32.39 | |hama| | Gnutoo: thats a _good_ question... |
| 08:32.46 | Gnutoo | |hama|, it's composed of boost_iostream and wesnoth ipk/opk |
| 08:32.48 | prjktdtnt | I have flashed my phone so many times I finally wrote the DFUScript to make it go faster (so I don't have to pass -d hexcode -a alternative -R -D filename.ext I just say devicetype alternate file.ext) |
| 08:33.04 | Bill | |hama|: i know.. i still feel that we are moving with gigantic leaps here |
| 08:33.22 | Gnutoo | |hama|, mabe i will setup an apache server on my computer but it won't be permanant... |
| 08:33.46 | |hama| | Gnutoo: sounds finger-liking-good |
| 08:34.12 | |hama| | Gnutoo: but dont forget ur exam.. :) |
| 08:34.36 | Gnutoo | |hama|, it's for stylus only...and you must be carefull not to press om2008.8 menu when you press menu or action |
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| 08:34.46 | prjktdtnt | Gnutoo: if you gzip the file and e-mail it to me and I'll put it up on projektenterprises.com |
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| 08:35.09 | prjktdtnt | I've got plenty of space and bandwidth |
| 08:35.33 | Gnutoo | ok thanks...i'll keep this computer on...but i'll go study for my math exam... |
| 08:35.34 | |hama| | well, we need a place where those 'selfmade' apps can be put on and others can complete/package them... |
| 08:36.05 | Bill | community repo? |
| 08:36.28 | |hama| | is it not only for distros? |
| 08:36.30 | Bill | we actually have multiverse already.. |
| 08:36.58 | Bill | iirc to multiverse anyone can submit stuff.. |
| 08:37.04 | |hama| | yeah, true |
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| 08:38.31 | |hama| | but this only works with generated packages... and you need more lnowledge: to code and package... |
| 08:38.39 | Bill | true |
| 08:38.46 | Bill | but the initiative is there already |
| 08:38.51 | Gnutoo | the bb is ugly...i have hardcoded path that must be remplaced by variables... |
| 08:39.16 | |hama| | i think there are some more peps out there who wrote some nice things, but dunno how to 'release' this |
| 08:39.34 | Gnutoo | and i was not alone in this port...i've done wesnoth but another oe dev has improved boost,sdl... |
| 08:39.45 | |hama| | Gnutoo: thats only a prob in this release... someone ll fix it later, i am sure |
| 08:39.55 | Gnutoo | ok |
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| 08:59.36 | Flyser | Hi, I just installed FSO ms3 on my freerunner and I on this release the /etc/opkg/* files are not configured correctly. So how is the correct setup for these (especially the correct angström feed)? |
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| 09:04.21 | harnir | hello |
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| 09:12.54 | me | hi, is it possible to power on vibrator on gta02 with an echo "1">file command? |
| 09:14.21 | ieatlint | me, kinda |
| 09:14.24 | prjktdtnt | me: as in turn it on and leave it running or enable/disable for rings and the like? |
| 09:14.58 | me | I want to turn it on/off with an echo command, is it possible? |
| 09:15.19 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs#.2Fsys.2Fdevices.2Fplatform.2Fneo1973-vibrator.0.2Fleds.2Fneo1973:vibrator.2Fbrightness |
| 09:15.29 | ieatlint | 255 is full on, 0 is full off... |
| 09:15.42 | ieatlint | and everything inbetween... |
| 09:15.53 | me | thanks! |
| 09:15.56 | ieatlint | (that page has a lot of fun stuff to turn on/off with echo) |
| 09:16.06 | me | I thought so, but I set echo "1" so it was very low |
| 09:16.07 | me | lol |
| 09:16.27 | ieatlint | yep, you can adjust it :) |
| 09:16.36 | me | thanks a lot |
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| 09:17.37 | ieatlint | alright, it's 2:22am here... which means my father's been dead for 365 days, 15 minutes |
| 09:18.22 | TAsn | have anyone experienced any troubles with the toolchain? |
| 09:18.47 | ieatlint | TAsn, yes, everyone's who's tried to use a toolchain has |
| 09:19.19 | TAsn | less generally speaking, has anyone had errors concerning the link against gtk libs? |
| 09:19.32 | TAsn | it doesn't say that explictiy though you can see that it's gtk related ; |
| 09:20.22 | ieatlint | are you talking about linking, or what? |
| 09:21.27 | TAsn | linking |
| 09:21.39 | TAsn | generally building the sample app |
| 09:21.47 | TAsn | i tried make |
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| 09:21.59 | TAsn | and when it got to linking that's the errors i got ;\ |
| 09:22.20 | ieatlint | not found, symbol error, what kind of error? |
| 09:22.52 | TAsn | undefined reference |
| 09:23.05 | TAsn | getting a lot of those :) |
| 09:23.11 | prjktdtnt | turn the vibrate to 255 and then come up behind a friend with that going ROFL |
| 09:23.28 | Bill | does anyone know.. can i remove the install applications bar from the bottom of the screen.. |
| 09:23.39 | Bill | i install stuff anyway with terminal.. |
| 09:24.17 | prjktdtnt | Bill: I had been wondering that myself but hadn't yet asked |
| 09:24.45 | ieatlint | prjktdtnt, i say monitor the base of an mp3, assigning a value of 0-255 |
| 09:24.47 | Bill | when scrolling with lots of apps i always accidentally envoke installer |
| 09:24.58 | ieatlint | then play back the mp3 with the mp3 as a truly half-assed sub |
| 09:25.04 | prjktdtnt | ieatlint: interesting |
| 09:25.24 | ieatlint | err, with the vibrator as a truly half-assed... |
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| 09:26.57 | prjktdtnt | where is the folder containing the .desktop files? |
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| 09:27.34 | TAsn | ieatlint, any ideas? |
| 09:28.00 | ieatlint | prjktdtnt, check ~/.e |
| 09:28.27 | ieatlint | TAsn, you're not linking all the libs needed or something |
| 09:28.42 | TAsn | it's the sample project.... |
| 09:28.47 | TAsn | it should just work ;0 |
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| 09:28.54 | ieatlint | i dunno the sample project, heh |
| 09:28.59 | TAsn | ieatlint, and i know im not, that's what i said :) |
| 09:29.05 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 09:29.18 | TAsn | ieatlint, same goes for the calculator project i tried getting! |
| 09:29.18 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 09:29.19 | prjktdtnt | ieatlint: not in .e, looking for where the desktop files (the ones that are used to create the main screen's launchers) are stored so I can remove a few |
| 09:29.19 | ieatlint | doesn't it feel good to have another confirm your finding though :P |
| 09:29.31 | TAsn | ieatlint, of course ;0 |
| 09:30.04 | prjktdtnt | /usr/share/applications apparently |
| 09:30.57 | ieatlint | heh, different on each image |
| 09:31.18 | prjktdtnt | sorry, forgot to mention that I was using FDOM |
| 09:32.21 | prjktdtnt | ok so getting rid of assassin.desktop from /usr/share/applications it removes the link to the installer but not the bar itself |
| 09:33.05 | ieatlint | that hello world app has some weird gtk |
| 09:33.22 | ieatlint | making a label and adding it to the button is unnecessary... |
| 09:34.39 | prjktdtnt | I can't find the file that controls the bottom bar |
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| 09:53.53 | prjktdtnt | remoko won't start on my install of FDOM |
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| 09:55.24 | prjktdtnt | nevermind, restarted bluetooth init script and it's being a little more co-operative |
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| 10:16.25 | TAsn | ieatlint, although at first i thought it's not related i tried the tip in the wiki about installing a previous toolchain, worked ): |
| 10:16.27 | TAsn | :) |
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| 10:17.47 | ptitjes | hello! |
| 10:18.01 | ptitjes | happy to join the community |
| 10:18.07 | jrei | hi |
| 10:18.27 | ieatlint | i've been mauled by a cat |
| 10:18.30 | ptitjes | I've got a problem with the python-etk-git package |
| 10:18.31 | ieatlint | little bastard |
| 10:19.02 | ptitjes | "Patch scrolled_view-drag.patch does not apply" |
| 10:19.18 | jrei | I am new, no clue yet. |
| 10:19.33 | ieatlint | ich kann nicht englisch |
| 10:20.03 | jrei | ich dachte das heiÃt kein |
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| 10:24.51 | ptitjes | log file for python-etk-git failing : http://pastebin.com/m3742d12e |
| 10:28.42 | jrei | is there a toolchain for the latest version of Om2008.8? I'm a bit confused by the webpage. |
| 10:29.06 | jrei | or the latest stable version |
| 10:29.34 | Seadog | y |
| 10:29.43 | ptitjes | @jrei what web page ? |
| 10:30.01 | jrei | wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 10:33.21 | jrei | by the way, I installed the Milestone 3 img of FSO within qemu. In Zhone only map and configuration are not graied. Do i have to install the others additionaly or are they not working due to some missing dbus functions of qemu |
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| 10:45.15 | LittleIdiot | does anybody even care about bug #666? there are more and more reporting their issues with certain sim cards, but there seems to be no progress (from ti) |
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| 10:53.12 | ieatlint | ok, hdmi ruled until i got the error "cannot display video over hdmi: hdcp connection failed" -- and that's with a direct hdmi link between my receiver and the hdcp-compliant tv |
| 10:53.56 | ieatlint | if i have to deal with copy protection, i damned well better not deal with it when i use the product as they want me to |
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| 10:55.23 | TAsn | damn im about to pick up my fr! |
| 10:55.28 | TAsn | 15 more mins till im going :) |
| 10:55.36 | TAsn | im getting nuts. |
| 10:56.09 | ieatlint | if you're expecting a phone, you'll be disappointed... if you're expecting a fun toy, you'll love it :) |
| 10:56.20 | TAsn | im expecting both |
| 10:56.30 | TAsn | though the phone part isn't that important :) |
| 10:56.56 | TAsn | i heard it can make and recieve calls and sms, which is all i need from a phone |
| 10:57.09 | TAsn | and i also heard it runs linux which is all i need from a fun toy ;0 |
| 10:57.12 | ieatlint | it can, but i wouldn't depend on it |
| 10:57.20 | torero | is there a program to display an image fullscreen given its path from the command line? i tried omview and exhibit already |
| 10:57.25 | TAsn | muhaha especially since the toolchain is working ;0 |
| 10:57.48 | ieatlint | yeah, programming for it is a lot of fun |
| 10:58.00 | TAsn | ieatlint, should be. |
| 10:58.05 | ieatlint | you looked at the accelerometers yet? easiest interface for a piece of hardware ever |
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| 10:58.08 | ieatlint | lots of fun |
| 10:58.26 | TAsn | ieatlint, you sound sarcastic now, are you? |
| 10:58.27 | TAsn | ;[ |
| 10:58.31 | harnir | torero: xli, feh |
| 10:58.33 | ieatlint | nope |
| 10:58.39 | ieatlint | not at all |
| 10:58.55 | ieatlint | with the info on the wiki, you can write an interface to them in like 10min or less |
| 10:59.04 | TAsn | ieatlint, :) |
| 10:59.11 | TAsn | haven't checked anything out yet. |
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| 10:59.30 | TAsn | only the toolchain and qemu for extra dev sweetness ;0 |
| 10:59.42 | TAsn | 10 more mins and im out ;0 |
| 11:00.07 | ieatlint | if you want to do graphical intensive UIs, look at enlightenment libs (specifically, evas) |
| 11:00.23 | ieatlint | graphical intensive == a lot of movement |
| 11:00.28 | TAsn | oh |
| 11:00.33 | TAsn | exactly what i was about to ask :) |
| 11:00.38 | ieatlint | your gtk mileage will vary |
| 11:00.58 | ieatlint | gtk is great for a UI that just idles without input |
| 11:01.03 | ieatlint | or gives like text and such |
| 11:01.07 | TAsn | or with some input |
| 11:01.08 | TAsn | yeah ;0 |
| 11:01.18 | TAsn | ieatlint, btw, is there libglade compiled for the moko? |
| 11:01.25 | TAsn | should be more than awesome |
| 11:01.27 | ieatlint | i believe so |
| 11:01.31 | TAsn | :) |
| 11:01.34 | ptitjes | guys, the MokoMakefile wiki page says : "If not, and you can get the error to occur three times in a row after running that sequence of commands (including the update and setup steps) three times, then feel free to report it to rwhitby in #openmoko on IRC." |
| 11:01.43 | ptitjes | do you know what I should more ? |
| 11:01.57 | TAsn | deving will take less than a min. |
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| 11:02.04 | ptitjes | I'm stuck as i don't know how to solve the problem |
| 11:02.15 | ieatlint | TAsn, anyway, you'll figure it out, it's a great learning tool |
| 11:03.14 | TAsn | ieatlint, let's just hope there's documentation available, from what i hear bluez libs are not documented at all ;\ |
| 11:03.33 | TAsn | btw, do all the apps in debian run in full screen as well? |
| 11:04.05 | ieatlint | i've not touched bt yet |
| 11:04.10 | TAsn | I think my first example app will be "I am penguin" the FR counter to iphone's "I am rich" ;0 |
| 11:04.18 | TAsn | should rock. |
| 11:04.19 | TAsn | :) |
| 11:04.26 | balrog-k1n | yeah, bluez is a bit undocumented |
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| 11:04.34 | lindi- | TAsn: that's not a feature of debian but matchbox-window-manager |
| 11:04.35 | balrog-k1n | had to go through it recently.. |
| 11:04.52 | ieatlint | i believe they can run in fullscreen, but by default they run in illume -- which is enlightmentent |
| 11:04.59 | TAsn | balrog-k1n, i think you just made the biggest understatement of the year. |
| 11:05.03 | ieatlint | leaves a small bar at the top of the screen |
| 11:05.15 | TAsn | ieatlint, that's what i meant as fullscreen. |
| 11:05.17 | TAsn | cool enough. |
| 11:05.44 | balrog-k1n | ;) |
| 11:05.47 | TAsn | well i'll stop asking rhetorical questions, and will just wait for the god moko :) |
| 11:05.49 | ieatlint | TAsn, if you plan on playing with gsm and bt audio, it's different though |
| 11:06.20 | ieatlint | bluetooth headsets normally go through alsa |
| 11:06.30 | TAsn | aye. |
| 11:06.42 | TAsn | actually i just wanna build cool bt probing apps |
| 11:06.46 | ieatlint | but there's a direct link between the audio codec chip for the gsm modem and the bt modem, changing the game |
| 11:06.51 | TAsn | a friend suggested a bt radar ;0 |
| 11:07.29 | jrei | i heard of a bt rader app, which runs from java for cell phones |
| 11:08.07 | lindi- | ieatlint: debian does not have illume yet |
| 11:08.16 | jrei | it also counts the number of times you where close to a bt device |
| 11:08.23 | TAsn | jrei, hehe cool |
| 11:08.25 | ieatlint | ah, my mistake then |
| 11:08.32 | ieatlint | i thought it's fso ui ran in illume now |
| 11:08.47 | jrei | i try to find its name |
| 11:09.38 | TAsn | im out |
| 11:09.41 | TAsn | wish me luck getting it ;0 |
| 11:09.45 | ieatlint | have fun |
| 11:10.18 | jrei | TAsn: http://matrix.wearlab.de/~tomsby/wordpress/?p=122 |
| 11:10.31 | TAsn | thanks. |
| 11:10.32 | TAsn | im off. |
| 11:10.51 | jrei | cya |
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| 11:12.30 | zedstar | ive written some bluetooth scanner/logger for the moko it is very easy with bluez |
| 11:12.43 | jrei | nice |
| 11:13.05 | ieatlint | good to hear |
| 11:13.47 | zedstar | actually ive got a kinda crazy project with that where i set coordinates in the bluetooth name and place these things about and have a client read the values as if they came from gps |
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| 11:23.30 | alx___ | someon got this problem: wpa_supplicant only works one time, give timeout on the next associate |
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| 11:29.47 | |hama| | alx___: most '(or all?) have this i heared (including me) |
| 11:31.04 | alx___ | thx |hama| :) trying the "very ugly" startscript, different output, auth well after first time but dont succeed to get ip |
| 11:33.06 | |hama| | alx___: well, seems to be the driver... |
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| 11:33.37 | alx___ | so won't change anything trying with lint-wifi? |
| 11:34.13 | |hama| | not so far as i heared... sry, cant help u with this issue... |
| 11:35.19 | alx___ | no pb, if everyone gets it, might be on the priority list of someone to debug :) |
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| 11:50.06 | Gnutoo | so...where should i put my oe bb file and my binary wesnoth package? |
| 11:51.33 | Gnutoo | 2)and how do import music in qtopia media player ? |
| 11:51.44 | Gnutoo | i didn't found it on the wiki |
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| 11:52.44 | snp | any idea why "export" isn't included in the 2008.8-update release? |
| 11:52.47 | snp | at least not in mine |
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| 11:53.53 | Gnutoo | snp, no import not export...i have music on sd...but when i click inside the mediaplayer it seems to work only with a media library or with a location...i can't browse files... |
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| 11:54.05 | Gnutoo | s/no/no,/ |
| 11:54.19 | snp | I mean the command export |
| 11:54.28 | snp | I need to set the DISPLAY value |
| 11:55.50 | Gnutoo | apt, tab doesn't show it but it exist |
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| 11:56.38 | Gnutoo | snp, s/apt/snp |
| 11:57.36 | snp | Gnutoo: ok thanks!, Will try it, my stupid 3g connection won't allow me to have usb-net running at the same time, bbl. |
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| 12:07.11 | |hama| | Gnutoo: prj... (dunno the complete name) isnt online now... |
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| 12:07.32 | snp_ | Gnutoo: worked thanks. |
| 12:08.45 | Gnutoo | |hama|, the problem is that i do not have the username&password nor the time to found it of the router... |
| 12:08.55 | Gnutoo | so i can't start apache and serve it... |
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| 12:10.44 | |hama| | Gnutoo: wish i could help u... |
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| 12:12.08 | snp_ | Can't Qtopia Addressbook handle more then one phone number? WORK, CELL, HOME is what I have in my vCards and only HOME is shown when I imported them |
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| 12:12.47 | dns53 | i have not tried but it seems to be designed that way |
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| 12:15.24 | Infoport | anybody know why I wouldn't have the wrench icon in 2008.8 even though I've installed illume-config? |
| 12:16.06 | |hama| | any1 here who want to host a wesnoth-package from Gnutoo?? |
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| 12:17.46 | jomat__ | has a server and some diskspace and bandwith over. |
| 12:19.12 | |hama| | jomat, Gnutoo, plz come together :) |
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| 12:29.17 | yyoZ | snp_: yes it does. You can choose the type of phone (home, work, home cell, work cell, homeIP phone, etc.) |
| 12:29.50 | snp_ | yyoZ: I imported my vcard and it doesn't when importing.. |
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| 12:31.44 | yyoZ | snp_: well, actually I don't know what it does when importing vcards, because I imported mine from my SIM card, one by one |
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| 12:32.24 | snp_ | yyoZ: ok, well I can't have contacts on the sim cause I have to much information stored on my contacts. |
| 12:32.54 | caratorn | Hello, is there any other toolchain than the one at http://downloads.openmoko.org/toolchains/? |
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| 12:34.45 | john | snp_: you might just have to settle with what got imported, and manually add the rest in. |
| 12:37.40 | snp_ | john: well it's better if I find out what's wrong and then make a script that fixes it. But in the ui on 2008.8 I can't add more fields, only change those existing. Any idea? |
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| 12:39.37 | john | Not really. Unless you're ready to dig into the code and see why it only imported the HOME phone numbers. |
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| 12:40.34 | snp | john: well I was trying to just create a minimal contact with two numbers for instance and test, and if so it didn't work I guess I have to look at the code yes. |
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| 12:41.08 | snp | but now I'm off for laundry.. another day.. |
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| 12:54.53 | torero | is there a way to start, pause, stop playing a song from python using dbus or something? (2008.0) |
| 12:58.38 | hipitihop | has M3 images been upupdated ? or is there now a feed for update/upgrade ? |
| 12:59.36 | rwhitby | hipitihop: nope, we haven't worked out the feed incompatibility problem yet |
| 13:00.15 | rwhitby | I'm building new images and a brand new feed built from scratch, and we may well decide to go from there ... but that will take a few days to build everything ... |
| 13:00.32 | rwhitby | but that's mickey's call as to whether he uses that. |
| 13:01.04 | hipitihop | rwhitby, fair enough thanks |
| 13:02.08 | hipitihop | rwhitby, final question at what point will fso-testing or unstable be in step |
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| 13:05.07 | hipitihop | off to bed. Waves gnite to residents |
| 13:05.38 | Bill | nite.. |
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| 13:09.17 | hipitihop_zzz | anyone got vlc going on Fr ? |
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| 13:09.40 | hipitihop_zzz | talking in his sleep |
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| 13:14.15 | TAsn | !topic |
| 13:14.22 | TAsn | oops ;0 |
| 13:14.27 | TAsn | meant with a / |
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| 13:47.48 | TAsn | hey, i did opkg updtae, its downloading the files, complianing about the sigs as written in the wiki |
| 13:47.56 | TAsn | but opkg upgrade does nothing. |
| 13:49.02 | Bill | maybe there is nothing to upgrade? |
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| 13:51.43 | TAsn | factory new ;0 |
| 13:53.00 | Gnutoo | here's wesnoth: http://rafb.net/p/ihQ94Z51.html |
| 13:53.00 | Seadog | bah I have to wait until monday for delivery, how am I meant to wait 2 days? |
| 13:53.44 | Gnutoo | to play xrandr -o 1 && wesnoth -r 640x480 |
| 13:54.13 | Seadog | Gnutoo: oh wow, does internet play work on it too? |
| 13:54.29 | Gnutoo | Seadog, didn't try it but single player works |
| 13:54.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | Gnutoo, :O wesnoth! |
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| 14:00.13 | bumbl | is weshnot entertaining? |
| 14:00.21 | bumbl | wesnoth |
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| 14:04.08 | slaxxin | has someone buildt an ipk? |
| 14:06.15 | Seadog | bumbl: it is indeed |
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| 14:12.22 | Bill | is there any way to tell minimo not to call keyboard every possible time? |
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| 14:13.06 | Zoup | When i turnon FR with PB , screen freezes with random colors and lines , by holding AUX and selecting boot its doing OK , any idea ? |
| 14:14.10 | pjz | did you somehow maybe trash your nand uboot? |
| 14:14.37 | Zoup | pjz: quite possible since its happening after upgrade , what to do ? |
| 14:15.51 | Infoport | anybody know how to get a full keyboard for 2008.8? full qwerty with TAB & arrows? |
| 14:16.11 | slaxxin | infoport |
| 14:16.21 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:16.26 | Infoport | and is anybody successfully compiling SHR? |
| 14:16.51 | pjz | Zoup: reflash it with soemthing known-good :) |
| 14:16.53 | slaxxin | info port install allun-config |
| 14:16.57 | Infoport | slaxxin OM2008 (I had matchbox on OM2007, not sure how to put in OM2008) |
| 14:17.15 | Zoup | pjz: reflash uboot ? is this possible when i am inside uboot ( aux + pb button menu ) |
| 14:17.36 | slaxxin | i would upgrade to a september image |
| 14:17.48 | pjz | Zoup: depends on which uboot you're in; does it say NOR or NAND on the screen? |
| 14:18.04 | slaxxin | y es |
| 14:18.06 | Zoup | pjz: it says NOR |
| 14:18.26 | Infoport | slaxxin I have installed illume-config, but keyboard options are only None and Default |
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| 14:18.41 | pjz | Zoup: okay, so yes you can reflash uboot just fine. There's 2 uboots, the NOR one and the NAND one. You're running the NOR one right now |
| 14:19.04 | slaxxin | did u reboot |
| 14:19.08 | pjz | Zoup: IIRC hold aux then power gets you NOR uboot and hold power then AUX gets you NAND uboot |
| 14:19.49 | slaxxin | need to be in nor-correct? |
| 14:21.16 | Zoup | pjz: starnge , dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin ( image as from http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ ) |
| 14:21.23 | Zoup | pjz: does not help :( |
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| 14:22.17 | Zoup | pjz: is this right way to fix nand uboot ? |
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| 14:23.29 | slaxxin | ./dfu ithink |
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| 14:24.26 | jaj | does anybody know where I could get some documentation about zhone? like how to add/change icons on the desktop? |
| 14:24.32 | Zoup | slaxxin: emm? ./dfu what ? |
| 14:24.35 | lindi- | slaxxin: ./dfu only if you have downloaded random binaries from internet insecurely :) |
| 14:24.43 | _hama_ | ...still over 30 min for wesnoth... |
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| 14:25.48 | Infoport | the matchbox keyboard would be nice for ASU... |
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| 14:26.23 | lindi- | Infoport: just install it? |
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| 14:32.19 | iormz | My FR discharge and now I can't turn on the FR. I tried to charge it a little and then turn it on...but it does not work |
| 14:32.24 | iormz | any suggestions ? |
| 14:32.30 | Infoport | lindi- I seem to have it installed but it isnt being used (matchbox-keyboard-applet,-im, and -inputmethod) |
| 14:32.40 | jaj | iormz: try booting into NAND |
| 14:33.14 | lindi- | Infoport: have you tried to run matchbox-keyboard? |
| 14:33.32 | jaj | hold AUX, then power button, should come up, worked for me and other people. don't forget to plug in the charger ;) |
| 14:35.29 | Infoport | lindi- it autocompletes when I type it over ssh |
| 14:36.10 | lindi- | Infoport: yeah so run it? |
| 14:36.24 | iormz | this is what I did. I have to batteries |
| 14:36.35 | iormz | I switch to the other one and it worked :) |
| 14:36.53 | iormz | I switched to the other one and now it works. :) |
| 14:37.00 | jaj | iormz: well, no problem then? |
| 14:37.22 | iormz | jaj, thanks man... I was getting worried... :) |
| 14:39.10 | Infoport | lindi- a bunch of event_loop() messages but no keyboard |
| 14:40.01 | cga | anyone using last qtopia snapshot and having the speaker volume *really* low? |
| 14:42.26 | johnsu01 | cga: edit /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state and raise the speaker volume up closer to 127, or even 127 |
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| 14:42.40 | Infoport | cga, I dont know-- I havent actually been using my FR as a phone much :-/ |
| 14:42.53 | johnsu01 | speaker volume is actually quite good for me now, though mic volume is still an issue |
| 14:43.19 | Infoport | lindi- do you have a full keyboard in ASU, with TAB, arrow, etc? |
| 14:43.21 | hama | alsamixer? |
| 14:43.31 | cga | thanks johnsu01 |
| 14:43.34 | cga | ciao Infoport |
| 14:44.12 | johnsu01 | cga: not sure which snapshot you are using, but they've added a Call Volume widget under Settings => Call Settings as well, for when you are on the call |
| 14:44.44 | cga | johnsu01: that's what i used but the volume is frikking low. can't hear a thing |
| 14:44.50 | cga | snapshot of 4.3.3 |
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| 14:45.14 | Infoport | cga, I told my mother I was using this new phone, trying to program, etc...she wasn't very impressed at first, until I told her that I had been helping someone in Italy debug a script :D |
| 14:45.28 | cga | =) |
| 14:45.34 | cga | nice one up! |
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| 14:46.20 | hama | any1 knows how to install ipkg on FDOM20080913? : Package ipkg wants to install file /usr/bin/update-alternatives -But that file is already provided by package * opkg |
| 14:47.46 | slaxxin | dont opkg upgrade |
| 14:48.00 | hama | me havent done yet |
| 14:48.12 | hama | just want to install ipkg |
| 14:48.41 | slaxxin | lindi well that cant be good |
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| 14:49.21 | hama | made opgk update and installed a few poackages. all seems to run fine. only this issue with ipkg... |
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| 14:50.18 | jaj | I think it would be a good idea to integrate a terminal into all openmoko user interfaces (ASU, Zhone) until they are stable because the terminal is the thing you use most of the time |
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| 14:50.43 | Shlee | Is qtopia the best solution for a phone phone? for now |
| 14:51.07 | jaj | for example I'm trying to find a way to launch a terminal from Zhone |
| 14:51.20 | Infoport | jaj I totally agree-- plus they should include a keyboard with *all* required keys :-( |
| 14:51.43 | jaj | Infoport: matchbox is not bad |
| 14:52.15 | Infoport | jaj I cant figure out how to get matchbox as the default kb in ASU even though its installed from repo |
| 14:53.38 | Bill | Shlee: i'm on fdom for last 2 days.. and seems ok too |
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| 14:56.40 | lindi- | Infoport: what does it print exactly? |
| 14:59.47 | Zoup | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.06 | Zoup | ttyACM terminal i mean , i was looking for reboot |
| 15:02.13 | Kurisutian | Hi! Can anyone tell me if the A-GPS of the freerunner can also work in GPS mode only? Over here in Germany the providers don't support A-GPS so I could only use GPS functionality only |
| 15:03.09 | darkjames | Kurisutian, sure |
| 15:03.40 | jaj | gps provider? huh? |
| 15:03.45 | Infoport | lindi- I found a page about turning off the Qtopia keyboard, and if you dont then it comes up over another keyboard http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate |
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| 15:05.26 | Kurisutian | the phone provider needs to support the assisted gps functionality to make the location work faster. Some devices do not fall back to regular gps and won't work here for that reason... so the freerunner has that fallback function to regular gps? |
| 15:05.47 | lindi- | the whole "agps" term seems to be quite unclear |
| 15:05.52 | lindi- | used for many purposes |
| 15:07.15 | jaj | hmm, I have Zhone installed but when I run it I only get the main (blue) Zhone window, I don't get the black bar at the top with the network info an the task manager |
| 15:07.17 | cga | johnsu01: which speaker set is it???? control what? |
| 15:07.25 | Bill | well.. agps is still quite well defined system.. but in reality it is an extention to the old gps... |
| 15:07.26 | jaj | does anybody know how I could get it? |
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| 15:07.31 | Kurisutian | well this is what I've read in the internet. So German network providers currently don't suppor transmitting the required signal. And for that I wanted to asure that I can at least use regular GPS instead of A-GPS... ;-) |
| 15:08.06 | Bill | if your provider does not provide you with assisting data (cell information and such) then you have to rely solely on the conventional sattelite coverage |
| 15:08.27 | johnsu01 | cga: 4 I think |
| 15:08.39 | cga | ok |
| 15:08.41 | Infoport | odd- turning off Qtopia keyboard in ASU, in a config file, means that now choosing None or Default in "wrench" config flips between matchbox and Raster's keyboard |
| 15:09.42 | Kurisutian | yes, that's what I already figured. I just wanted to make sure that the freerunner is able to fall back to the "old" system. Obviously some A-GPS systems are not able to do that. Atleast that's mentioned somewhere on I website I found.... |
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| 15:11.08 | zion | trying to build the openmoko-sample2. configure runs fine, but I keep getting link errors for libpangoft2-1.0 and it is looking in /home/build/.... googling only returns links for freebsd... any ideas? |
| 15:11.52 | slaxxin | yea md5sums for openmoko FDOM |
| 15:12.15 | zion | (I don't have a /home/builld/.... possible hardcoded path somewhere in the toolchain?) |
| 15:13.41 | hama | any1 knows how to install ipkg on FDOM20080913? : Package ipkg wants to install file /usr/bin/update-alternatives -But that file is already provided by package * opkg |
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| 15:14.38 | Shlee | What is fdom? I seem to be missing something. |
| 15:15.04 | slaxxin | i hidden os for openmoko |
| 15:15.23 | Bill | hama: opkg |
| 15:15.26 | hama | Shlee: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM_-_a_Fat_and_Dirty_OM_based_distribution |
| 15:15.27 | slaxxin | file:///home/brian/Desktop/fat an dirty/http:%252f%252fwiki.openmoko.org%252fwiki%252fFDOM.desktop |
| 15:15.33 | slaxxin | ylol |
| 15:15.35 | slaxxin | sorry |
| 15:15.42 | Bill | works nicely |
| 15:15.55 | slaxxin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM |
| 15:15.55 | hama | Bill: opkg? |
| 15:16.05 | Bill | ipkg is the old nonfunctional package management for moko |
| 15:16.11 | Bill | afaik |
| 15:16.35 | slaxxin | Shlee u need to atleast try it |
| 15:16.47 | hama | uh, i see... so opkg serves .ipgk-files? |
| 15:16.51 | slaxxin | tango works good |
| 15:16.57 | Bill | nope.. opkg serves opkg files :) |
| 15:17.17 | hama | how can i install the wesnoth-ipgk-files? :) |
| 15:17.42 | Bill | and what that error sais is that one file in you ipkg - /usr/bin/update-alternatives - is already provided by some opkg |
| 15:17.51 | ronny | btw, why the heck not just use ipkg ? (whats different in opkg anyway, it seems to be the same) |
| 15:17.54 | slaxxin | where are the wesnoth files for freerunner |
| 15:18.30 | Bill | ronny i don't remember the exact reason anymore.. dig the mailinglist to get that |
| 15:18.30 | jaj | ronny: ipkg is more or less dead, opkg is the continuation of it |
| 15:18.30 | jaj | ipkg is not maintained anymore |
| 15:18.46 | hama | yes, but how can i handle it? ipkg doesnt install coz of that erorr.. |
| 15:18.47 | ronny | so its basically a fork instead of just taking it up? |
| 15:18.50 | hama | *error |
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| 15:19.04 | ronny | hama: just use opkg, it handles ipkg packages |
| 15:19.15 | hama | ronny: thx m8 |
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| 15:20.21 | slaxxin | would someone point me at the wesnoth files:) |
| 15:21.13 | hama | slaxxin: http://rafb.net/p/ihQ94Z51.html |
| 15:21.55 | slaxxin | thingya |
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| 15:23.45 | slaxxin | does opkg updrade work on FDOM? |
| 15:24.01 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.53 | Bill | it's not recommended.. afaik |
| 15:25.16 | slaxxin | ok |
| 15:26.09 | Infoport | slaxxin the FDOM page says "This all while retaining the ability to update through the official feeds." |
| 15:26.29 | edistar | anyone used gps in the latest FSO image? |
| 15:26.45 | slaxxin | yes |
| 15:26.54 | slaxxin | it worked good |
| 15:27.01 | slaxxin | edistar |
| 15:27.08 | edistar | does zhone say N/A till you get a fix? |
| 15:27.18 | slaxxin | but it it good in FDOM too |
| 15:27.40 | edistar | FDOM uses FSO? |
| 15:27.42 | slaxxin | i used the tango from the desktop only |
| 15:28.23 | slaxxin | tango works in FDOM |
| 15:28.57 | slaxxin | i like the multiple map selection |
| 15:29.51 | slaxxin | hamma things work well on 9132008? |
| 15:30.36 | Bill | slaxxin: jup.. got wsod i the morning after night of sleep but.. |
| 15:30.47 | Bill | that's known issue with glame |
| 15:30.49 | Bill | glamo |
| 15:31.05 | edistar | no sign of gps in dbus-monitor either |
| 15:32.04 | slaxxin | i really like 2008.8 openmoko distro |
| 15:33.04 | slaxxin | bill u talking about FDOM? |
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| 15:34.02 | john | Did they fix the suspend problem? |
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| 15:36.03 | Zoup | i am not sure if my device is battery dead or Brikcked , how can i know ? |
| 15:36.18 | bumbl | wait |
| 15:37.35 | slaxxin | do u have an junk computer u can take the power light out of to make a batt tester? |
| 15:37.47 | Bill | slaxxin: yes |
| 15:39.07 | hama | slaxxin: 13092008 looks good, only still me have probs with suspend... but there is NO image me have no probs with suspend, even in ms3... |
| 15:39.57 | hama | mostly (in ms3) it works, but after a long suspend-time, i get wsod |
| 15:41.07 | Bill | hama: the wsod issue is related to glamo registers.. |
| 15:41.30 | hama | Bill: what stands glamo for? |
| 15:41.32 | Bill | look at #1841 |
| 15:41.45 | Bill | glamo is the graphics acceleration chip used in FR |
| 15:42.09 | hama | Bill: i see :( |
| 15:42.38 | hama | Bill: but only 1 issue to solve? :) |
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| 15:43.10 | Bill | meaning? |
| 15:43.56 | hama | that after fixing it, suspend have to work...? |
| 15:44.06 | Bill | hopefully :) |
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| 15:44.44 | hama | hmm, so in future the fr gets boring, coz nothing to fix at all :P |
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| 15:46.20 | MichaelShiloh | ola folks |
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| 15:48.07 | Tig| | 'nings all |
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| 15:50.14 | MichaelShiloh | anyone done the booting from sd card thing? I'm trying to set that up and having a bit of trouble. |
| 15:50.36 | Tig| | not here I am afraid, what I issue are you having? |
| 15:50.44 | Infoport | boy I have accumulated a sh*tload of maps in my OSM cache (backing them up to host using scp and there are LOTS) |
| 15:51.05 | mmontour | MichaelShiloh: Hi. What's your SD-boot problem? |
| 15:51.08 | Infoport | MichaelShiloh I have been booting from SD |
| 15:51.41 | MichaelShiloh | i can see my uimage.bin with fatls mmc 1:1 |
| 15:51.59 | MichaelShiloh | but when i try to boot from sd card it says it can't load the file |
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| 15:52.41 | MichaelShiloh | i know there was some discussion about turning down the sd clock but i assume that if i can see the file ok then i should be able to read it. |
| 15:52.56 | mmontour | loading command is "fatload mmc 1:1 0x32000000 /filepath"? |
| 15:54.09 | Infoport | MichaelShiloh do you have it named with the right case? If you copy-n-pasted the uboot commands, it would be trying for uImage.bin (just looking for simple gotchas) |
| 15:54.22 | MichaelShiloh | mmontour: just a sec |
| 15:54.55 | MichaelShiloh | Infoport: you know, i was surprised by that as well, so i copied it to both uImage and uimage. suddenly now i wonder how big it was. |
| 15:55.16 | Infoport | uimage.bin != uImage.bin != uImage |
| 15:55.39 | MichaelShiloh | Infoport: yeah, i was skipping .bin to save typing... |
| 15:55.59 | MichaelShiloh | mmontour: load command: |
| 15:56.11 | Infoport | MichaelShiloh just making sure... |
| 15:56.56 | MichaelShiloh | Infoport: good. i'm sure it's that kind of stupid mistake. |
| 15:57.28 | MichaelShiloh | mmontour: i'm using minicom. printenv scrolls all the good stuff off the end of the screen. i need to see if i can get minicom to wrap. |
| 15:57.37 | Shlee | fdom needs scummvm :) |
| 15:58.05 | lindi- | isn't scummvm only for non-free games anyway? |
| 15:58.39 | MichaelShiloh | mmontour: setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdp |
| 15:58.41 | MichaelShiloh | arts} ro; mmcinit; fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x32000000 |
| 15:59.03 | MichaelShiloh | bootcmd=setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts}; nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel 0x200000; bootm 0x32000000 |
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| 16:00.22 | Gnutoo | lindi-,stallman said that if the game data is redistributable it's ok...so mabe can we consider the files as game data and scummvm as the engine...no? |
| 16:00.34 | mmontour | Looks OK. Check the "sd_image_name" variable and make sure that your kernel exists at that path. |
| 16:00.47 | MichaelShiloh | mmontour: sd_image_name=uImage |
| 16:01.05 | MichaelShiloh | hm. no .bin on that. is that expected? |
| 16:01.37 | Gnutoo | lindi-, but if you want games there is wesnoth...the bb file is badly written(by me)...the network doesn't work but it's great |
| 16:01.41 | MichaelShiloh | fatls indeed shows uimage.bin (lower case i, and includes .bin extension |
| 16:02.00 | lindi- | Gnutoo: but it's bytecode |
| 16:02.06 | Gnutoo | lindi-, ah ok |
| 16:02.11 | hama | Gnutoo: how big is a installed wesnoth? it looks pretty big... |
| 16:02.18 | Tanuva | wesnoth runs on the neo?! |
| 16:02.28 | lindi- | Gnutoo: scummvm has interpreter for several different virtual machine languages |
| 16:02.35 | lindi- | Tanuva: why not? |
| 16:02.41 | MichaelShiloh | mmontour: kernel is less that 2M, my first partition is 8M. there is no harm in having multiple kernels, is there? |
| 16:02.48 | Gnutoo | hama, the ipk weights 57.8M |
| 16:02.56 | hama | Tanuva: http://rafb.net/p/ihQ94Z51.html |
| 16:03.12 | Tanuva | lindi-: because I didn't know the 3d performance was good enough... |
| 16:03.20 | hama | Gnutoo: yes, i know, transfering to sd via usb... (zzzzzz) |
| 16:03.27 | mmontour | No harm in having multiple kernels. You just have to make sure that the path given to the "fatload" command (directly or through that "sd_image_name") points to the kernel that you want to load |
| 16:03.28 | Gnutoo | ok |
| 16:03.39 | Shlee | no 3d at all. it's a framebuffer. |
| 16:03.46 | hama | Gnutoo: but me 'only' have ~120mb free for install... |
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| 16:04.05 | lindi- | Tanuva: i don't think it uses 3d |
| 16:04.09 | Tanuva | oh |
| 16:04.19 | Gnutoo | Tanuva, wesnoth doesn't use 3d |
| 16:04.29 | mmontour | I boot directly from ext3 so I'm not sure how u-boot deals with upper/lower case on FAT. I would expect it to work if you type the "fatload" command with the same format that you see in fatls |
| 16:04.43 | Tanuva | oh damn, I associated the wrong screenshots with the wrong game :D |
| 16:04.45 | hama | is there any piece of software using 3d on fr yet? |
| 16:05.17 | Gnutoo | ah...i have forgetten...for playing wesnoth: |
| 16:05.31 | Gnutoo | xrandr -o 1 && wesnoth -r 640x480 |
| 16:05.51 | Gnutoo | i have forgetten to include it in the pastebin... |
| 16:06.23 | malik1972 | hama: 3d? hehe, search the mls for the glamo |
| 16:06.38 | mmontour | MichaelShiloh: are you still offering that GSM firwmare-update service for GTA01s? |
| 16:06.51 | Tig| | I don't suppose any feeds for FSO MS3 have tipped up? is shr.bearstech.com still having issues? |
| 16:07.18 | MichaelShiloh | mmontour: yes, for sure. i have two phones i need to update. you want yours done too? |
| 16:08.00 | mmontour | Yes, since I have the original "moko1" firmware on mine. The difficulty is that I'm in Canada, so there's a certain amount of paperwork to send something to/from the USA |
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| 16:08.04 | MichaelShiloh | mmontour: of course! i forgot that FAT doesn't distinguish between u/l case! <smacks forehead> doh! |
| 16:08.44 | MichaelShiloh | mmontour: canada. i see. are you close to the border? |
| 16:08.49 | hama | malik1972: me now have FDOM installed... |
| 16:09.07 | mmontour | Yes, I'm in Vancouver |
| 16:09.35 | MichaelShiloh | mmontour: i want to stick with fat because i am actually doing this for someone else, and they want to use the u-boot that came with the phone and not upgrade. u-boot out of the box can do FAT but not ext2 (for kernel). |
| 16:09.52 | mmontour | grumbles about that fact |
| 16:10.00 | malik1972 | hama: okay, but that will not give you 3d |
| 16:10.05 | MichaelShiloh | mmontour: do you get to the USA side of the border? perhaps we could use a post office box or something. |
| 16:10.35 | hama | malik1972: is glamo a 3d application? |
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| 16:12.48 | Tanuva | hama: no, the glamo is the fr's graphics chip that cannot do 3d yet because it's doc is closed |
| 16:13.01 | mmontour | I tend to stay on this side of the line. I'll have to look up the details again, but I think that with the appropriate paperwork I can state that I am temporarily exporting the phone for a warranty repair |
| 16:13.08 | MichaelShiloh | mmontour: i'm going to copy the image freshly onto my SD card; i'll bet i'm confusing FAT by having two files with the same name (uImage and uimage). |
| 16:13.10 | Tanuva | s/it's/its |
| 16:13.32 | MichaelShiloh | mmontour: sounds good. i will of course go along with whatever paperwork you need. |
| 16:13.36 | hama | Tanuva: yes, saw it now with google |
| 16:13.42 | malik1972 | hama: the graphic chip |
| 16:14.04 | hama | and the documentation is closed? |
| 16:14.27 | mmontour | Thanks. Can you email your mailing address to me at mail at mmontour.net? |
| 16:17.46 | MichaelShiloh | mmontour: done |
| 16:19.35 | mmontour | Thanks, and good luck with the SD-booting. |
| 16:25.22 | tg | hai |
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| 16:35.11 | Gnutoo | i'll go in order to test the GPS...bye |
| 16:35.19 | mickeyl | good spee |
| 16:35.20 | mickeyl | d |
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| 16:41.57 | MichaelShiloh | mmontour: i copied the image to the sd card anew, with filename uimage.bin. now when i try to boot i see it says |
| 16:42.31 | MichaelShiloh | "can't read uImage.bin from mmc 1:1" |
| 16:42.37 | MichaelShiloh | "bad magic number" |
| 16:43.46 | MichaelShiloh | i think i need to change sd_image_name=uImage to use lower case |
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| 16:44.21 | MichaelShiloh | grr the timeout is bugging me. how do i set the phone so it doesn't turn off (this in usb console of NOR uboot)? |
| 16:44.48 | mickeyl | check the wiki page on u-boot |
| 16:44.56 | mickeyl | the magic env variable is mentioned there |
| 16:44.58 | mickeyl | dunno offhand |
| 16:45.24 | mmontour | boot_menu_timeout I think |
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| 16:46.23 | MichaelShiloh | aha yes: setenv boot_menu_timeout 99999 |
| 16:46.43 | MichaelShiloh | ok now i'll change the name uImage to uimage and see if that works |
| 16:46.50 | MichaelShiloh | mickeyl: hi! |
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| 16:48.53 | mickeyl | hey |
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| 16:50.22 | Trevinho | hello |
| 16:50.45 | Trevinho | is there anyone that is using Om2008.8? |
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| 16:51.25 | mmontour | MichaelShiloh: I have to go now, but I suggest trying to use the "fatload" command directly from the u-boot console (after mmcinit). Get that working and then try the rest of the boot sequence (setenv bootargs ..., bootm 0x32000000, etc) |
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| 16:57.03 | slaxxin | yes |
| 16:57.22 | slaxxin | using FDOM |
| 16:57.30 | slaxxin | 2008.9 |
| 16:58.15 | Infoport | slaxxin did you scp the gzipped file over and then unzip it, or did you unzip it on the host and copy files? |
| 16:58.36 | slaxxin | is pidgin working in the newest FDOM? |
| 16:58.44 | slaxxin | infoport ? |
| 16:58.57 | slaxxin | on FDOM? |
| 16:59.31 | Infoport | slxxin I'm thinking of trying FDOM on my SD card...I guess I should have asked first if you flashed or copied it to SD |
| 16:59.38 | slaxxin | ok |
| 17:00.17 | slaxxin | i wget then flash per wiki |
| 17:02.04 | slaxxin | please do try it because i think it rocks |
| 17:02.37 | slaxxin | im going to get the latest fdom as i have the 9.9.2008 file |
| 17:03.06 | slaxxin | says pidgin is on there |
| 17:03.24 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:04.48 | Shlee | 20080913 |
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| 17:04.59 | Shlee | includes pidgin |
| 17:06.39 | slaxxin | any problems with anything i know u havent had installed long enough to test suspend |
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| 17:11.37 | Tanuva | does gpsd automagically turn off the gps device if no client is connected? |
| 17:11.56 | Tanuva | (would recommend that if no - and if practical) |
| 17:13.17 | jaj | Tanuva: the problem with this is that you have to wait a long time to get a new first fix if you turn it off |
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| 17:13.55 | Tanuva | hm |
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| 17:19.32 | Tanuva | grml.. fsom3 reproducably crashes with screen off while tgps is running.. |
| 17:20.00 | slaxxin | unless u save the maps to root instead on /tmp -correct? |
| 17:20.01 | mickeyl | logs appreciated |
| 17:20.40 | Tanuva | the maps are on the sd card - and correctly read from there, no download nessecary anymore |
| 17:20.56 | Tanuva | mickeyl: dmesg? or what do you need exactly? |
| 17:21.06 | mickeyl | frameworkd logs |
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| 17:21.12 | mickeyl | see "how to provide debug logs" |
| 17:21.19 | mickeyl | openmokoFramework wiki page |
| 17:21.43 | Tanuva | okay |
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| 17:34.12 | Shlee | blast, flashing FDOM is taking forever.... ted.com can entertain me |
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| 17:34.55 | Shlee | Is the windows dfu slower? |
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| 17:40.58 | slaxxin | umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 17:40.58 | slaxxin | umount: /media/card: device is busy |
| 17:41.17 | slaxxin | trying to erase the sdcard |
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| 17:41.31 | lindi- | slaxxin: lsof | grep /media |
| 17:42.32 | slaxxin | root@om-gta02:~# lsof | grep /media |
| 17:42.32 | slaxxin | -sh: lsof: not found |
| 17:42.55 | lindi- | slaxxin: better install it |
| 17:43.09 | MichaelShiloh | mmontour: found the problem |
| 17:43.32 | MichaelShiloh | mmontour: i was using boot menu in NOR flash because there already is an entry for booting from SD card |
| 17:44.20 | MichaelShiloh | mmontour: in NOR flash, boot image name is "uimage". lower case, and _no .bin extension_! once i renamed file, it worked fine. |
| 17:44.49 | lindi- | MichaelShiloh: doesn't nor flash only have uboot? |
| 17:45.08 | hama | ohoh ~72mb for wesnoth... |
| 17:45.10 | edistar | slaxxin: you had FSO and gps enabled, right? |
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| 17:45.28 | slaxxin | might be |
| 17:46.46 | slaxxin | http://pastebin.com/m7da49bd8 |
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| 17:50.34 | jonsmith1982 | i had gpsd up and running with fso but couldnt get a fix (didn't try for long). |
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| 17:52.55 | Zoup | what are ideal minicom ( or any other terminal ) settings for free runner ( uboot interface ) |
| 17:52.57 | edistar | who has a nice new kernel for me? |
| 17:54.26 | Tanuva | arr, I can't get the output of frameworkd redirected into a file. anyone tried that before? >.< |
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| 17:55.34 | MichaelShiloh | lindi-: not sure what you mean. NOR flash has u-boot, u-boot has a menu and can boot off SD card, my image is on SD card. |
| 17:56.02 | MichaelShiloh | lindi-: If this doesn't answer your question, please ask again. |
| 17:56.35 | lindi- | MichaelShiloh: ah and uboot in nor flash is configured to run uimage |
| 17:57.09 | MichaelShiloh | lindi-: precisly. i just updated wiki/Booting_from_SD to reflect this. |
| 17:57.24 | MichaelShiloh | lindi-: if you have time, take a look at the wiki page and tell me if i was clear enough. |
| 17:57.36 | lindi- | MichaelShiloh: do you know if NOR flash can be read under linux? |
| 17:57.57 | MichaelShiloh | lindi-: that i don't know. |
| 17:58.27 | slaxxin | echo /dev/mmcblk >> /etc/udev/mount.blacklist |
| 17:58.38 | slaxxin | ah |
| 17:58.59 | slaxxin | i have debian on sdcard an i want to remove it |
| 17:59.03 | edistar | Tanuva: what's the problem? |
| 17:59.29 | Tanuva | edistar: $ frameworkd > logfile doesn't redirect output into the file |
| 17:59.46 | lindi- | Tanuva: stderr? |
| 17:59.47 | edistar | Tanuva: no, you have to redirect stdout |
| 17:59.57 | lindi- | > redirects stdout |
| 18:00.01 | edistar | and stderr |
| 18:00.03 | edistar | sry.. |
| 18:00.13 | edistar | frameworkd mixed them up it seems |
| 18:00.18 | lindi- | Tanuva: i recommend script -c 'frameworkd' log.txt |
| 18:01.11 | Tanuva | lindi-: whats "script"? opkg cannot find that.. |
| 18:01.29 | lindi- | Tanuva: part of bsdutils in debian |
| 18:01.37 | lindi- | script - make typescript of terminal session |
| 18:01.40 | Tanuva | ah no, it cannot find it if it hasn't got the right feeds |
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| 18:02.14 | Tanuva | okay, lets see if I can find that somewhere :) |
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| 18:05.46 | hama | one question: beeing in the 'home'-area, there are the icons for starting applications. where can i edit this and their behavier? |
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| 18:08.19 | Tanuva | hama: /usr/share/applications/ |
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| 18:08.30 | hama | Tanuva: thx |
| 18:09.35 | Tanuva | hmm, no bsdutils in the angstrom repository :/ |
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| 18:13.32 | Gnutoo | hello, What happens if for instance you are in a car,and your car passes under a bridge or go trough a tunnel...and so the gps signal is interrupted...after that do you need to stop your car for the time the gps get a new first fix? can tangogps handle this? |
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| 18:17.19 | hama | Gnutoo: hi! where is the 'End Turn' button in wesnoth? :) |
| 18:17.38 | Gnutoo | hama, actions->end turn |
| 18:18.04 | Gnutoo | hama, because i don't think that launching it fullscreen is a good idea because quit doesn't work |
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| 18:18.56 | hama | Gnutoo: works :) but ~72mb, thats a lot... (me dont blame you) |
| 18:19.30 | Gnutoo | hama, and i've removed the music...(compilation option) |
| 18:19.36 | hama | Gnutoo: me only have ~50mb free space now... |
| 18:21.21 | hama | Gnutoo: how can i end it? |
| 18:21.35 | Gnutoo | hama, end? you mean quit? |
| 18:21.42 | hama | Gnutoo: yep |
| 18:21.53 | Gnutoo | killall -9 wesnoth in the openmoko termnal |
| 18:21.59 | Gnutoo | s/termnal/terminal |
| 18:22.15 | Gnutoo | or do you just want to go to the menu? |
| 18:22.29 | hama | just the soft way through menu |
| 18:22.52 | hama | me played wesnoth a few years ago... |
| 18:22.55 | Gnutoo | hama, ok i launch it |
| 18:23.35 | Gnutoo | menu->quit game |
| 18:24.11 | hama | i am very sorry... didnt see it... thx a lot, m8 |
| 18:24.41 | slaxxin | how should the sdcard be setup for map tiles an music an pictures? |
| 18:26.24 | Gnutoo | np |
| 18:28.32 | Tanuva | slaxxin: create an ext2/3 partition on it and there you go :) |
| 18:28.42 | kelvie | I remember there was some type of guide that shows me how to tell opkg to install stuff into the SD card |
| 18:28.47 | kelvie | anyone know where it is? I can't seem to google it |
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| 18:33.02 | slaxxin | ok |
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| 18:36.04 | Gnutoo | anyone for my gps question |
| 18:36.07 | Gnutoo | ? |
| 18:36.47 | mickeyl | gps should pick up signal again automatically |
| 18:36.57 | Gnutoo | mickeyl, ok thanks a lot |
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| 18:45.59 | snp_ | Hey, just flashed gta02 with qtopia 4.3.3, looking in alsamixer but it doesn't seem to matter if I change the capture/output. When someone calls there's no sound no nothing. Anyone know got this problem before? |
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| 18:51.17 | snp_ | got it working with alsactl restore.. thanks anyway |
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| 19:01.40 | Zoup_ | my wifi stops working after little bit of activity , any idea ? |
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| 19:07.44 | Shlee | mmmmmmm flashed fdom but it won't boot. |
| 19:09.50 | AntonTakk | fdom? |
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| 19:16.40 | slaxxin | did u check the md5sum? |
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| 19:17.24 | slaxxin | aton put the 09132008 image on for us |
| 19:17.48 | slaxxin | it has pidgen |
| 19:19.50 | AntonTakk | is done trying to use the fr as a non-verbal communication device |
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| 19:20.24 | slaxxin | my phone works well |
| 19:20.47 | Shlee | The md5 on the rootfs is right. uimage is wrong.. |
| 19:20.57 | Shlee | downloads again for a compare. |
| 19:22.07 | AntonTakk | not saying it can't be a good phone, but the lack of buttons means if you want to fit a lot of info on the screen people have to use the stylus, which is anoying, imho |
| 19:23.31 | Shlee | I've attached my ds stylus with a string.. fixed |
| 19:23.59 | AntonTakk | still can't use it with one hand |
| 19:24.10 | AntonTakk | if the ui elements are small |
| 19:24.23 | Shlee | Most of the ui shouldn't be that small |
| 19:24.57 | Shlee | sms is like twitter.. 2 lines across the top, massive space for a keyboard. |
| 19:25.09 | AntonTakk | then the ammount of info that can fit on the screen is limited, thus harming text-based communications |
| 19:26.01 | slaxxin | shlee is that fsom? |
| 19:26.27 | snp_ | anyone running qtopia 4.3.3? |
| 19:26.33 | slaxxin | anton u wanna sell your freerunner? |
| 19:27.04 | Shlee | I had no issue with fsom3.. The FDOM kernel was simply bad. |
| 19:27.05 | Shlee | working now |
| 19:28.04 | AntonTakk | slaxxin: no, just not going to try to use it for e-mail or reading documents any more |
| 19:28.18 | AntonTakk | or sending sms |
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| 19:29.25 | AntonTakk | or maybe i'll flash qtopia back on it and trade it to my mom to get my htc herald back |
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| 19:34.54 | kelvie | anyone know if the suspend/resume corrupting the sd card has been fixed in the daily builds yet? |
| 19:35.56 | Shlee | ok, the wifi manager is broken, Type: WPA is shown.. my router is only WEP |
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| 19:40.59 | Zorkman | llo everybody, anything new? |
| 19:41.02 | slaxxin | shlee which carrier u have an did sms work? |
| 19:42.22 | slaxxin | fdom released |
| 19:42.36 | slaxxin | image anyways |
| 19:42.54 | Zorkman | is it good? |
| 19:43.00 | Shlee | Whos baby is fdom? I'm impressed. |
| 19:43.03 | slaxxin | shlee has it |
| 19:43.26 | slaxxin | i have the 99 |
| 19:44.12 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.40 | Zoup_ | isnt it possible to run 'tangogps' under qtopia ? |
| 19:45.43 | slaxxin | yea fdom is good |
| 19:46.28 | baze | is fdom based of the fso framework? |
| 19:46.30 | Shlee | how do I close an application? |
| 19:48.08 | aum | how do i update Packages.gz files after building packages? Do I need to run ipkg-update-index manually, or is there a bb target to do it? |
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| 19:49.28 | Zorkman | aha, there also seems to be a gameboy emulator now |
| 19:49.33 | Zorkman | gnuboy |
| 19:49.40 | Mononoke | Shlee: http://x86.sk/~social/_pics/moko.png and press remove :) |
| 19:50.29 | Zilla | HI all. |
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| 19:51.15 | Zilla | sounds great... a gameboy emulator.... so how does it perform than |
| 19:51.16 | Zilla | ? |
| 19:51.38 | Zorkman | Zilla: don't think there is an inputmethod yet |
| 19:51.49 | Zorkman | http://www.thomasbertani.it/openmoko/gnuboy-1.0.3.tar.gz |
| 19:52.11 | Zilla | well you could use a usb-keyboard ;) |
| 19:52.25 | Zilla | srry i dont have a OM.... |
| 19:52.39 | Raigedas | look people, has anybody ordered freerunner through Pulster? |
| 19:52.45 | Zilla | but is there a way to emulate om2008.8 on a pc? |
| 19:53.11 | Zorkman | Zilla: with qemu I think, only emulated 2007.2 long time ago but 2008.8 should also be possible |
| 19:53.26 | Zilla | well i cant get 2008.8 to work on qemu |
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| 19:54.52 | Zorkman | wtf, there is a "fix glamo" that boost the speed??? |
| 19:55.54 | Zilla | srry but is glamo the 3d chip? |
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| 19:56.32 | slaxxin | zorkman wheres that at? |
| 19:56.32 | SpeedEvil | Zilla: yes |
| 19:56.34 | Zorkman | yes |
| 19:56.37 | harnir | hello |
| 19:56.41 | Zorkman | llo harnir |
| 19:56.42 | SpeedEvil | Zilla: well - notionally |
| 19:56.53 | Raigedas | has aybody opinions about pulster.de? they claim that shipping to europe is 3 working days.. and they shipped my freerunner on august 28 but i did not received it yet.. :((( |
| 19:56.55 | SpeedEvil | Zilla: it's not actually used for 3D, as that doesn't really work on VGA |
| 19:57.14 | SpeedEvil | Raigedas: have you contacted them? |
| 19:57.26 | Zorkman | Raigedas: I didn't order my FR there, but he seems like a correct and friendly guy, don't know what shipping times are usual |
| 19:57.31 | SpeedEvil | Raigedas: I don't know what .lt customs is. |
| 19:57.40 | SpeedEvil | rai; what the delays are rather |
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| 19:58.43 | hadara | there shouldnt be any customs checks for inside eu shippments |
| 19:59.00 | harnir | I'm making a presentation about FR... Landscape synchronization hasn't been resolved fully yet, right? |
| 19:59.10 | Raigedas | last time i had contact from them was when they told me that "we will ship your parcel today" and it was on august 28 |
| 19:59.22 | Zorkman | harnir: it works AFIK |
| 19:59.32 | Zorkman | *afaik |
| 19:59.37 | slaxxin | fdom has tap/untap |
| 19:59.38 | harnir | Zorkman: not according to http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1244 |
| 19:59.55 | Raigedas | after that i had wrote two emails and no answers |
| 20:00.05 | harnir | Zorkman: and it was last changed 5 weeks ago |
| 20:00.11 | Raigedas | i am a little bit concerned already.. |
| 20:00.17 | harnir | Raigedas: call them |
| 20:00.49 | Raigedas | ok, maybe i will on monday |
| 20:01.03 | hadara | Raigedas: mine came almost a month from germany, dpd shipped it to ireland instead estonia, had they shipped it directly it would have taken 3 days |
| 20:01.52 | Raigedas | hadara, ou.. so you from estonia? neighbour :) |
| 20:02.01 | hadara | yes |
| 20:02.13 | Raigedas | i am from lithuania |
| 20:02.51 | Raigedas | so it looks like i will have to wait about a month too |
| 20:03.50 | Raigedas | and i am so eager to see and touch my freerunner.. |
| 20:03.51 | Raigedas | :) |
| 20:04.49 | hadara | well I didn't order from pulster and the month delay was caused by DPDs fuckup, so your case is probably somewhat different |
| 20:04.51 | Raigedas | from last december i was planning to have it.. and still do not have :) |
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| 20:10.26 | Raigedas | are there any news about video clips support on FR ? |
| 20:10.36 | Raigedas | i means video player |
| 20:10.40 | Raigedas | *mean |
| 20:11.51 | Raigedas | to watch at least landscape 320x240 25fps |
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| 20:15.58 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it there is a patched version of mplayer that can play mpeg-4s |
| 20:16.05 | SpeedEvil | but I don't know where it is. |
| 20:16.21 | SpeedEvil | (there is hardware accelleration to play some video) |
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| 20:19.06 | Raigedas | mpeg-4s.. is that the same format as in ipods? |
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| 20:20.20 | Raigedas | it would be brilliant if once converted i would play same videos on ipod 5g and FR |
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| 20:20.59 | Tanuva | its h.264 or so, but not the same resolution afaik |
| 20:21.26 | Raigedas | ipod 5g uses 320x240 |
| 20:22.11 | Raigedas | ok, have to go.. good night brothers.. |
| 20:22.17 | Tanuva | nite |
| 20:22.30 | Zorkman | night |
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| 20:34.18 | Gnutoo | hello, on tangogps(connected to the internet trough the usb cable) i can't zoom more than 10...otherwise i've blank squares...and i've tried with the version in 2008.8 and the newest version... |
| 20:34.35 | cjb | there doesn't exist data for that level |
| 20:35.06 | Gnutoo | cjb, ah ok thanks |
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| 20:36.20 | Gnutoo | cjb, but on their website i can zoom a lot more... |
| 20:36.29 | SpeedEvil | gnu{-: you mean 10 times - from the world view? |
| 20:36.42 | SpeedEvil | You should have more than that. |
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| 20:40.12 | Gnutoo | SpeedEvil, i have 10 written on top of the zoom bar |
| 20:42.38 | Gnutoo | SpeedEvil, by the way...is there a program for downloading maps from the pc so i put them in the freerunner trough ssh... |
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| 20:42.47 | Gnutoo | mabe it would solve the problem... |
| 20:43.03 | Gnutoo | i need france and italy and paris and milan... |
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| 20:48.24 | TAsn | hey there, where can i find this: wget http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/openmoko-mediaplayer-theme.tar.bz2 |
| 20:48.24 | TAsn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.52 | jonsmith1982 | Gnutoo, you can download the maps through tangogps, btw zoom in tangogps for me ranges from 2-17 |
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| 20:58.53 | Gnutoo | jonsmith1982, strange... |
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| 21:03.37 | real_ate | hi all... i'm a new openmoko user! lovin the phone but i'm having a bit of difficulty with usb networking |
| 21:04.18 | real_ate | anyone here in the know up for a little conversation about it before i submit a bug? |
| 21:04.34 | Zorkman | what is your exact problem? |
| 21:04.41 | Zorkman | and have you followed the wiki? |
| 21:04.53 | real_ate | 192.168.0.202 isn't responding to ssh |
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| 21:05.11 | real_ate | and yea i was connected there yesterday but now it seems like i can't get in again |
| 21:05.27 | ronny | real_ate: ubuntu? |
| 21:05.33 | real_ate | ronny: yea |
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| 21:05.46 | ronny | real_ate: you fixed the hotplug issue in the config files? |
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| 21:06.45 | real_ate | ronny: i'm not lookin to get hotpluging to work for the time being, i'm just using ifup and down manually |
| 21:07.33 | real_ate | i added the first example from the wiki to my interfaces and i'm just using that with ifup and ifdown, and i definatly have a connection with the openmoko |
| 21:08.11 | ronny | hmk |
| 21:08.13 | real_ate | 192.168.0.200 is connected and i can ssh into it but root@192.168.0.200 doesn't have a null password |
| 21:08.23 | ronny | then i have no idea, sorry |
| 21:08.28 | real_ate | :P |
| 21:09.02 | real_ate | well its always worth a check to see before i start submitting any bugs |
| 21:09.16 | Zorkman | real_ate: you tried rebooting the device? |
| 21:09.42 | spydon | isnt it 192.168.0.202? |
| 21:10.00 | real_ate | Zorkman: yea... i updated my packages and then rebooted and thats when i can't ssh into the 202 ip |
| 21:10.37 | real_ate | spydon: yea... i just get a "No route to host" error when i try the 202 ip but i get a password promp when i try the 200 ip |
| 21:10.56 | spydon | real_ate, from which device? |
| 21:10.59 | SpeedEvil | real_ate: that's your own system |
| 21:11.03 | SpeedEvil | real_ate: the 200 |
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| 21:12.19 | real_ate | SpeedEvil: so it is! lol |
| 21:12.46 | real_ate | SpeedEvil: sorry to ask but are you the same speed evil from the open street maps irc? |
| 21:13.21 | real_ate | spydon: sorry, i don't understand the question |
| 21:14.12 | spydon | real_ate, if you tried to connect from the freerunner to the computer or from the computer to the freerunner |
| 21:14.47 | real_ate | spydon: computer to freerunner... i didn't think to install the console when i did have the connection |
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| 21:16.44 | kelvie | anyone know how to set the call volume in qtopia? It says its at max, but it's really quiet still |
| 21:16.47 | real_ate | is there any way to bring up a console without having one installed? |
| 21:17.07 | kelvie | and is it a good idea to do a opkg update; opkg upgrade on qtopia? :p |
| 21:17.44 | spydon | real_ate, try to run this script from the computer when you have the fr plugged into usb: ftp://spydon.is-a-geek.net/OpenForAll/connectNeo.sh |
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| 21:22.17 | real_ate | spydon: thats the same as what's on the wiki right? it didn't work |
| 21:22.55 | spydon | real_ate, I dont remember, it was a long time since I did it :P |
| 21:23.05 | spydon | real_ate, did you do it as root? |
| 21:23.18 | real_ate | not at first :P |
| 21:23.21 | real_ate | but yea... |
| 21:24.41 | real_ate | looks like this is defo bug material :( |
| 21:25.01 | real_ate | nobody know how to bring up a console with out the ap installed? |
| 21:28.05 | real_ate | actually .... ya know what i did... i added those dns lines to the interfaces file on the openmoko |
| 21:28.20 | real_ate | thats probably whats messing up my connection!! :S |
| 21:28.45 | Gnutoo | after restarting tangogps it seems to work |
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| 21:30.15 | real_ate | ... i think i'm dropping my own internet connection anyway here... sorry if people are sayin stuff and i'm ignoring them |
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| 21:30.22 | real_ate | its not intentional :( |
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| 21:34.29 | bumbl | 22:08 < Pau1us> dann hab ich in zhone gps angeklickt |
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| 21:39.08 | real_ate | i've saved the bug system from my silly complaints, just to let you know i'm flasing the rootfs again... this time i'll make sure i have a terminal ;) |
| 21:39.16 | real_ate | thanks for everyone's help tho... |
| 21:39.57 | TAsn | how do i delete all contacts in gtk contacts? |
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| 21:56.22 | kelvie | is it safe to opkg update/upgrade off of 2008.8-update ? |
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| 22:03.17 | dolf1074 | You may do opkg update/upgrade on a 2008.8 update |
| 22:03.23 | dolf1074 | it's works |
| 22:03.45 | dolf1074 | for review about updates: http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/search/label/om2008.8%20review |
| 22:06.38 | kelvie | dolf1074: that's a fantastic blog system (kinda like the commit-digests at dot.kde.org) |
| 22:06.40 | kelvie | thanks for the link |
| 22:07.42 | dolf1074 | thanks |
| 22:07.51 | dolf1074 | I'm the one behind that blog |
| 22:13.51 | rwhitby | XorA: task-openmoko-feed fails to build on org.openmoko.asu.stable - is anyone at Openmoko building this meta package to keep the official feeds populated? |
| 22:15.13 | kelvie | hmm.. how is it that qtopia works with suspend but 2008.8 doesn't? |
| 22:15.18 | kelvie | don't they use the same (similar) kernels? |
| 22:15.19 | rwhitby | XorA: BTW, I'm happy to report that MokoMakefile successfully builds org.openmoko.asu.stable |
| 22:15.32 | kelvie | sorry, let me be more specific; I can receive calls in suspend |
| 22:15.57 | rwhitby | kelvie: the kernel seems to be in constant flux, and not all distros are using the exact same git revision |
| 22:16.07 | rwhitby | it's a CM nightmare, basically. |
| 22:16.37 | rwhitby | 7 distros, all using the same kernel, most using slightly different revisions, no coordination between them. |
| 22:16.44 | kelvie | ah |
| 22:16.50 | kelvie | I thought git was invented to alleviate this :p |
| 22:16.57 | rwhitby | git is just a tool. |
| 22:17.01 | kelvie | to make the branch management a lot simpler |
| 22:17.06 | rwhitby | people still need to practice CM |
| 22:17.15 | kelvie | CM = code management right? |
| 22:17.20 | rwhitby | configuration management |
| 22:17.25 | kelvie | oh... |
| 22:17.57 | rwhitby | git provides you the means to access and manage different revisions. you still have to choose to use the "correct" revision in your build |
| 22:18.07 | kelvie | yeah I understand git very well |
| 22:18.15 | rwhitby | (and coordinate that across 7 distros) |
| 22:18.39 | kelvie | I'd have thought that they could all at least use the same single one |
| 22:18.42 | kelvie | merge changes across each other |
| 22:18.46 | kelvie | you can branch and work, sure |
| 22:18.49 | rwhitby | they could, but they don't. |
| 22:18.53 | kelvie | hrm |
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| 22:20.26 | spydon | is there any media player that looks nice on 2008.8? |
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| 22:44.30 | prjktdtnt | CRAP, left my phone unplugged lastnight |
| 22:44.39 | prjktdtnt | an forgot to enable auto-suspend |
| 22:46.48 | prjktdtnt | how long once the battery dies does it usually take to get it charged enough to boot again? |
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| 22:47.23 | sbeh | hi, does someb. how balrog gets 0.0% cpu-utilisation with 'mplayer -vo glamo'? |
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| 22:51.29 | sbeh | mplayer says it uses hwmp4 for video output, so it should be hardware accelerated, but it consumes 80% cpu :/ |
| 22:51.50 | balrog-kun | sbeh: are you using -nosound? |
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| 22:51.59 | balrog-kun | it should drop to ~30% |
| 22:52.09 | sbeh | 1mom, i used -ao null |
| 22:52.35 | sbeh | oh, your right |
| 22:52.37 | balrog-kun | the 30% i suspect is due to kernel trying to handle the IRQs or something |
| 22:53.16 | balrog-kun | (on a mass prouction gta02) |
| 22:53.52 | sbeh | the kernel spams this in mesgbuffer: [12312.055000] Alignment trap: mplayer (4927) PC=0x00029010 Instr=0xe5843004 Address=0x4072c1c5 FSR 0x813 |
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| 22:54.36 | balrog-kun | oh, yes, this is probably another cuase, they both should be possible to avoid |
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| 23:10.47 | sbeh | 15% cpu only in qvga-mode |
| 23:10.58 | sbeh | in vga with 10fps its at 3% cpu |
| 23:11.18 | sbeh | and it looks much better, strange |
| 23:14.11 | sbeh | ah ok, in vga glamo is just too slow so mplayer has nothing todo and waits |
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| 23:31.45 | TAsn | where can i get python-edbus from? |
| 23:32.31 | TAsn | *for 2007.2 |
| 23:38.32 | Robot101 | wtf is python-edbus? |
| 23:40.16 | ieatlint | it's scientology's dbus edition python bindings |
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| 23:43.45 | TAsn | Robot101, remoko depends on it. ;0 |
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| 23:48.00 | TAsn | where are the files responsible for the menu entries in 2007? |
| 23:49.58 | Weiss | TAsn: in 2008.8, it's /usr/share/applications. maybe it's the same in 2007 |
| 23:50.11 | TAsn | i will check that out |
| 23:50.14 | TAsn | thanks |
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| 23:53.40 | TAsn | cool :) |
| 23:53.41 | TAsn | thanks |
| 23:57.31 | TAsn | i just have to find python-edbus now :) |
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