| 00:00.43 | NineX | i just installed daily build on my gta01 . can some one tell me how to switch keyboard layout to numerical in pin dialog? i can't put my pin code |
| 00:00.50 | NineX | qtopia ^^ |
| 00:00.59 | cjb | NineX: drag your finger upwards. |
| 00:01.05 | cjb | (on the keyboard) |
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| 00:05.10 | NineX | cjb: :* thx |
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| 00:13.36 | mmaestri | hi all |
| 00:14.19 | all | hi mmaestri |
| 00:14.26 | mmaestri | i've been away for a while. did i've missed something? :P |
| 00:14.44 | rwhitby | Kero: what you're running is not FSO3, as FSO3 has not been released yet ... |
| 00:14.46 | mmaestri | johngay: so funny |
| 00:15.43 | mmaestri | rwhitby: are you somehow involved on fso3 development? |
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| 00:16.20 | rwhitby | I maintain the autobuilder at shr.bearstech.com, and did some patches for ogpsd on gta01, but am not officially part of any team |
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| 00:18.14 | mmaestri | rwhitby: i'm downloading unstable images (rootfs, uImage) and modules from shr.bearstech.com with date 04sept - how good is it so far? |
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| 00:22.03 | alphabeat | morning all! |
| 00:22.11 | alphabeat | eagerly awaits fso ms3 |
| 00:22.27 | mmaestri | too |
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| 00:40.11 | rwhitby | mmaestri: fso-testing is up to task 2424 of 4956 |
| 00:41.41 | rwhitby | looks like fso-unstable failed to complete the build - investigating now |
| 00:42.37 | alphabeat | rwhitby: is that why ms3 isn't out yet? |
| 00:42.48 | alphabeat | or is this on your nsusl (?) server? |
| 00:43.02 | rwhitby | no, kernel didn't resume so they had to revert kernel to stable |
| 00:43.16 | alphabeat | aww :( |
| 00:43.22 | rwhitby | nslu2-linux server builds the same stuff |
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| 00:44.50 | mmaestri | rwhitby: ...too late...just reflashed with that fso unstable...damn... |
| 00:45.09 | rwhitby | you'll need something with today's date to get anything close |
| 00:46.22 | kgoetz | rwhitby: i have your power adaptor |
| 00:46.25 | kgoetz | :) |
| 00:47.09 | rwhitby | kgoetz: thx - as I said in email there is no hurry, it's just a convenience thing so I don't have to carry a more bulky adapter |
| 00:49.59 | kgoetz | rwhitby: yep. i dont expect to organise a get together this time - at least one person wants to get thiers today, and that leaves two people (one of which is me ...) and your adaptor. |
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| 00:55.13 | Dave | fso fso fso |
| 00:55.32 | Dave | What's new, Mr. Whitby? |
| 00:55.55 | raster | continues his theme work for illume |
| 00:57.03 | edistar | raster: is illume usable in qvga and/or landscape mode? |
| 00:57.21 | raster | i have used/tesed it in both |
| 00:57.27 | raster | in qvga u need to change some config |
| 00:57.30 | raster | like gadget sizes |
| 00:57.35 | raster | and icon sizes for launcher |
| 00:57.38 | raster | but it works |
| 00:57.46 | raster | well.. works if u use the new edje sclaing features |
| 00:57.50 | raster | and your theme supports scaling |
| 00:57.54 | edistar | okey, wouldn't it be more convenient to have that done automatically? |
| 00:57.57 | raster | .. whihc mine currently does |
| 00:58.19 | raster | "automatically scale" is some buzzword that doesnt work |
| 00:58.25 | raster | u dont want everythnig to scale always |
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| 00:58.30 | edistar | new features being how new exactly? |
| 00:58.34 | raster | in fact often u want to selectively scale some things |
| 00:58.36 | raster | and not others |
| 00:58.58 | raster | well right now its a hack - will make it proper config |
| 00:59.02 | raster | edje jas a scaling factor |
| 00:59.12 | raster | any elements that say "scale me" get scaled by that |
| 00:59.17 | raster | that scaling factor can be manually set |
| 00:59.23 | raster | or could be calculated from dpi |
| 00:59.24 | raster | etc. |
| 00:59.31 | raster | doesnt much matter - in the end it is a scaling factor |
| 00:59.37 | raster | but thats going to qvga |
| 00:59.42 | raster | which is 1/4 of the screen space |
| 00:59.46 | edistar | that's what I meant with automatically.. |
| 01:00.03 | raster | right now the only way to set it is via an env var |
| 01:00.05 | edistar | the other thing is: will there be anything like support for submenus in the launcher? |
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| 01:00.08 | raster | as i am just playing with it as a tool |
| 01:00.18 | raster | and i dont intend to support submenus in the launcher |
| 01:00.21 | raster | i dont like the launcher |
| 01:00.23 | edistar | okey |
| 01:00.33 | raster | it was a quick drop-in to be more usable than the slider launcher sean wanted |
| 01:00.36 | edistar | any other plans for an alternative launcher or so? |
| 01:00.39 | raster | if u go to slider mode |
| 01:00.45 | raster | thats what sean wanted for the launcher |
| 01:00.50 | edistar | I don't like slider mode, it's completely useless |
| 01:00.56 | raster | i know |
| 01:01.00 | raster | i said that from the beginning |
| 01:01.04 | raster | but he insisted until the very end |
| 01:01.07 | raster | didnt listen to me |
| 01:01.26 | edistar | ..and watched the battleship sink slowly.. |
| 01:01.29 | raster | only once every singhle person was telling him that they used my alternative i quickly whipped up in an afternoon |
| 01:01.42 | raster | he still was saying "but you didnt implement it proeprly" |
| 01:01.46 | edistar | any other idea for a launcher? |
| 01:01.47 | raster | its implemented exactly as designed |
| 01:01.58 | raster | so i dont know what his issue is |
| 01:02.01 | edistar | tss.. can't face wrong decisions.. |
| 01:02.09 | raster | but that is the mode he wanted originally and its there as an option |
| 01:02.22 | edistar | it's cool if you don't have to use it :P |
| 01:02.28 | raster | hehee |
| 01:02.28 | raster | yup |
| 01:02.31 | raster | thats what i said |
| 01:02.51 | raster | "thubms up on not trying to copy apple/ms and every other launcher. original. cool... but not usable..." |
| 01:02.54 | edistar | well, do you have an alternative kind of launcher in mind? |
| 01:02.59 | raster | credit where credit is due |
| 01:03.00 | raster | it is original |
| 01:03.31 | raster | but the "status" (ie what app is currrently selected) being UNDER your finger as it changes |
| 01:03.39 | raster | is just bad ui /interaction design |
| 01:03.47 | raster | the tiny text telling u the app is also not so useful |
| 01:03.55 | raster | also u have very little "context" while scrolling thru apps |
| 01:04.01 | raster | as u at BEST see 2 at once |
| 01:04.05 | raster | and then they are cross-faded |
| 01:04.08 | raster | so really u see 1 only |
| 01:04.19 | raster | and even then it spends most of its time unrecognisably blended |
| 01:04.38 | raster | anyway - easy to tear up a design. alwasy. hard to come up with them |
| 01:04.42 | edistar | you don't see anything really until it's too late |
| 01:04.46 | raster | so credit where credit is due - original. |
| 01:05.02 | raster | dunno - i saw this pretty much first off |
| 01:05.08 | raster | but my input was disregareded |
| 01:05.13 | raster | as i was informed clearly |
| 01:05.29 | raster | i know nothing of ui design. i'm not a deisgner. i dont know how it works. i'm just a programmer. |
| 01:05.48 | raster | :) |
| 01:06.07 | raster | anyway i plan on doing an entirely different "home screen" later |
| 01:06.12 | raster | not a launcher |
| 01:06.22 | raster | but more of a "desktop widgets" thing |
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| 01:06.45 | raster | ie like filemanager icons on desktop + gadgets on desktop (if u know e17) |
| 01:06.52 | raster | or "active desktop" |
| 01:06.59 | raster | or whatever that osx equivalent is |
| 01:07.09 | raster | basically u stick widgets/gadgets aroudn your screen |
| 01:07.12 | raster | they can launch apps |
| 01:07.27 | edistar | I run e17 |
| 01:07.44 | edistar | sounds okey |
| 01:07.51 | raster | or just display the time, the weather, or be a contact entry (ie put your favorite people's photos on your screen and just tap them to call or sms etc.) |
| 01:07.54 | edistar | then you could have a sublauncher as a widget |
| 01:07.59 | raster | yes |
| 01:08.01 | raster | correct |
| 01:08.05 | edistar | e.g |
| 01:08.14 | raster | but the focus would be the fact that its a freeform desktop full of stuff |
| 01:08.20 | raster | not a fixed grid of icons and thats it |
| 01:08.24 | edistar | it would be a sort of today2 only with arbitrary widgets |
| 01:08.27 | raster | "today" can just be a gadget |
| 01:08.34 | raster | ie "my calendar events today" |
| 01:08.39 | raster | "missed calls/sms's" |
| 01:08.40 | raster | etcv. |
| 01:09.14 | edistar | how do the widgets interact with the 'surface'? |
| 01:09.25 | raster | theyr'e just gadgets |
| 01:09.29 | raster | canvas objects |
| 01:09.32 | raster | they can do whatever they like |
| 01:10.04 | edistar | the surface has no control over them? |
| 01:10.27 | raster | in what way? |
| 01:10.43 | raster | there already is a gadget manager |
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| 01:11.00 | edistar | ah, okey |
| 01:11.01 | edistar | sry |
| 01:11.04 | raster | it handles arranging gadgets given a gadget container |
| 01:11.04 | edistar | of course |
| 01:11.18 | raster | thats how u move/resize things in e17's shelf or with gadman on the desktop |
| 01:11.22 | edistar | yes |
| 01:11.27 | raster | it is in charge of remembering who is where |
| 01:11.41 | raster | and asking any gagdte provider classes for a gadget if it was there last time |
| 01:13.16 | edistar | hm, I presume then that you can't quickly script widgets in python then.. |
| 01:14.09 | raster | hahaha |
| 01:14.09 | raster | no |
| 01:14.28 | raster | gadgets are provided by gadget classes |
| 01:14.29 | raster | they are c |
| 01:14.33 | raster | they are loaded modules |
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| 01:14.39 | raster | ie .so's |
| 01:14.45 | edistar | I thought so |
| 01:14.50 | edistar | just hoping :P |
| 01:15.16 | raster | in theory if u wrote all the biondings u could make an e module that allowed for python scritp sto create gadgets |
| 01:15.21 | Dave | It's Rasterman |
| 01:15.29 | raster | but frankly - pyton bindings are a PITA |
| 01:16.02 | Dave | raster are you going to promote your own righteous image? :) |
| 01:16.07 | raster | e17 alone has maybe 1400 c calls |
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| 01:16.17 | Dave | because clearly yours is the true path to englightenment ;) |
| 01:16.21 | raster | that are "externally accessible" to modules |
| 01:16.24 | emacsen | Has anyone here installed Debian on their Freerunner? |
| 01:16.26 | raster | not includng other symbols |
| 01:16.29 | raster | and the rest of efl |
| 01:16.44 | emacsen | hey raster, long time (4+ years) no see |
| 01:16.49 | edistar | emacsen: yes |
| 01:16.52 | raster | u want to go write a pythin binding for all of those? :) |
| 01:16.55 | raster | not fun! |
| 01:17.09 | edistar | no, I don't really want to |
| 01:17.14 | raster | emacsen: i've been floating about like a bad smell :) |
| 01:17.15 | edistar | I want someone else to |
| 01:17.16 | raster | edistar: bingo :) |
| 01:17.21 | raster | not going to be me! |
| 01:17.22 | raster | hell no |
| 01:17.25 | Dave | haha |
| 01:17.26 | raster | so go write your stuff in c |
| 01:17.28 | emacsen | edistar, do you know if there are any gotchas in using the install script from a regular system (ie my laptop) and not the freerunner? |
| 01:17.33 | raster | save everyone the pain of python |
| 01:17.47 | Dave | raster, not a python fan, I take it? |
| 01:17.52 | edistar | emacsen: it does all the magic locally, so it wouldn't find the right hw |
| 01:17.52 | raster | c isnt hard |
| 01:17.56 | raster | dev nup |
| 01:18.04 | raster | Dave: and... i havent done my image yet |
| 01:18.09 | Dave | aww |
| 01:18.11 | raster | i am working ona theme redo atm |
| 01:18.12 | Dave | I was looking forward to it |
| 01:18.16 | Dave | ah okay :) |
| 01:18.17 | edistar | raster: python has its advantages, even if you like C more |
| 01:18.22 | raster | once i have it looking better i'll get to it |
| 01:18.25 | emacsen | edistar, fsck.... I was hoping to avoid the networking crap to get my laptop to serve the freerunner network via usb and all that |
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| 01:18.34 | raster | edistar: i have yet to find a single one |
| 01:18.45 | Dave | raster, aye aye cap'n! |
| 01:18.50 | edistar | raster: keep on looking :) |
| 01:19.17 | edistar | emacsen: sry 'bout that |
| 01:19.29 | KenYoung | raster, Python lets you enjoy watching your software run for a longer time. |
| 01:19.33 | Dave | Kenyoung! |
| 01:19.37 | KenYoung | Dave! |
| 01:19.41 | edistar | raster: it sounds very good though, the desktop/widget thing |
| 01:20.01 | raster | edistar: got better things to do that keep looking. :) |
| 01:20.12 | raster | i prefer to use c and just make life in c land easy |
| 01:20.20 | edistar | yeah, why not |
| 01:20.21 | Dave | Somehow... seeing you at night here is seemingly appropriate, kenyoung :) |
| 01:20.32 | emacsen | edistar, is there a page on how to share the network easily so I don't have to dig through a ton of documentation/ |
| 01:20.35 | Zorkman | is there an fso ms3 image available somewhere? heard it was out |
| 01:20.35 | edistar | don't think I'll refresh my C skills for those widgets though.. |
| 01:20.37 | KenYoung | Well, thanks! |
| 01:20.49 | Dave | zorkman, slow. |
| 01:20.53 | edistar | emacsen: search the wiki for 'dnrd' and dnrd script |
| 01:20.59 | edistar | emacsen: that makes life easier |
| 01:21.17 | Zorkman | Dave: I've been busy, night shift, painting, hating my router... |
| 01:21.22 | edistar | raster: well, keep up the nice work! |
| 01:21.25 | emacsen | raster, the only thing I think C excels in is programming microcontrollers, otherwise I'm happy to use a higher level language. |
| 01:21.36 | edistar | the app switcher was nice though, you will keep that? |
| 01:21.41 | Dave | :P |
| 01:21.44 | Dave | ROUTER HATE |
| 01:21.45 | emacsen | edistar, drnd, thanks |
| 01:21.48 | Dave | Route the hate! |
| 01:21.56 | Dave | Let it flow... through your router! |
| 01:22.03 | raster | emacsen: i dont like anything gettng between me and the cpu. be that in a driver kernel or all the way up in a wm and toolkit |
| 01:22.29 | Zorkman | no, seriously, is ms3 somewhere? |
| 01:22.34 | edistar | Zorkman: yes |
| 01:22.45 | Dave | let raster's wisdom wash over you. |
| 01:23.00 | Dave | zorkman, you must have missed bumble flashing it twelve or more hours ago. |
| 01:23.00 | raster | i think there is somethng to be said that c - despite its age, is still so popular |
| 01:23.07 | raster | and that it really.. can solve anything |
| 01:23.11 | emacsen | raster *shrug* I'm programming stuff with no OS, but when I have more than 512bytes of ram, I'll take a high level language , but different strokes for different folks. Let's just hope you've gotten rid of that dirty jester hat |
| 01:23.18 | raster | there are things python/perl etc. just cant do |
| 01:23.23 | KenYoung | There are none so blind as those who will not C. |
| 01:23.27 | Dave | heh |
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| 01:23.35 | Dave | raster wears hats? |
| 01:23.42 | Dave | Kenyoung :P |
| 01:23.48 | emacsen | he did 10 years ago |
| 01:23.50 | raster | c is the universal tool - can do anything.. if you just know how to use it |
| 01:23.51 | Dave | Enough of the terrible puns you guys :P |
| 01:24.02 | raster | though a lot of peole just dont |
| 01:24.03 | ShellEvil | raster: it sucks on some machines. |
| 01:24.07 | raster | the idea of a pointer is just too hard :) |
| 01:24.19 | ShellEvil | raster: PIC doesn't really fit well with it for example. (microcontroller with one register) |
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| 01:24.22 | Dave | go murder somebody with a ponter |
| 01:24.28 | ShellEvil | stabs dave. |
| 01:24.33 | Dave | :O |
| 01:24.47 | Dave | haha, oh wait, nothing happened. |
| 01:24.51 | raster | ShellEvil: just drop some inline asm in :) |
| 01:25.05 | Dave | master raster mixes it up |
| 01:25.17 | ShellEvil | raster: It's more that the instruction set doesn't map efficiently to C - and you have 0.5-1K of ROM |
| 01:25.42 | Dave | evil, stop giving bad counter examples :p |
| 01:25.46 | ShellEvil | raster: but the parts are $.37 in small qry. - so using asm can be worth it. |
| 01:25.47 | Dave | s/bad/inappropriate/ |
| 01:26.05 | raster | ShellEvil: sure. at that level - drop to asm :) |
| 01:26.12 | ShellEvil | It's not quite a counterexample. |
| 01:26.21 | raster | i'm currently twiddling with a cpu that has only about 30 instructions |
| 01:26.22 | raster | 1 acc |
| 01:26.26 | ShellEvil | As C is getting down to smaller and smaller (cost) devices. |
| 01:26.29 | raster | and a bizarre insst set |
| 01:26.35 | raster | (reminds me of x86) |
| 01:26.35 | KenYoung | It's hard to imagine that you can actually purchase something with only 0.5->1K of ROM. RFID? |
| 01:26.36 | Dave | sounds kinky |
| 01:26.44 | raster | luckily i can actually influence the inst set atm |
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| 01:26.48 | Dave | good point :P |
| 01:26.49 | ShellEvil | KenYoung: no - general purpose microcontroller. |
| 01:26.57 | raster | so i thnk i'll be gett9ing my right-barrel-shifter at last |
| 01:26.57 | Dave | PIC? |
| 01:27.00 | ShellEvil | KenYoung: in a 6 pin package about 2.5*3mm |
| 01:27.11 | raster | nah not rfid |
| 01:27.13 | Dave | raster, luger? |
| 01:27.23 | raster | consideably different |
| 01:27.38 | ShellEvil | For a bit more - doubleish - you can get micros that you can program in C. |
| 01:27.42 | raster | its really high clockrate, multiple cores and lots of ram |
| 01:27.50 | Dave | hot |
| 01:27.52 | raster | but incredibly primitive processing units |
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| 01:28.06 | Dave | risc, anyone? |
| 01:28.07 | ShellEvil | For double again, and you get micros with several tens of K of flash and a few hundred bytes of RAM. |
| 01:28.22 | ShellEvil | Another doubling and you start getting 32 bit/20K RAM/200K flash |
| 01:29.07 | raster | ShellEvil: for that price range u can get the baby i'm playing with |
| 01:29.07 | Dave | IntegratedEvil |
| 01:29.17 | raster | with 64m ram, 4 cores @ 400mhz. |
| 01:29.23 | raster | mind u |
| 01:29.28 | raster | it has zero interrupts or IO |
| 01:29.36 | raster | its a dram chip |
| 01:29.39 | Dave | o.O |
| 01:29.40 | raster | needs a host system to work |
| 01:29.45 | ShellEvil | raster: I don't personally believe in this sort of thing. |
| 01:29.54 | ShellEvil | raster: till I can order it and get one in my hand. |
| 01:30.23 | edistar | raster: where did you get that from? |
| 01:30.29 | ShellEvil | raster: it does sound very cool. |
| 01:30.41 | raster | ShellEvil: good point. right now its in final design /pre-production stages |
| 01:30.48 | raster | silicon should be out in a few months |
| 01:30.55 | ShellEvil | raster: you're involved in the design, or just have signed a NDA? |
| 01:31.04 | raster | again - i also will only really believe it when i see real working bug-free silicon |
| 01:31.05 | raster | BUT |
| 01:31.18 | raster | the idea of it is most cool |
| 01:31.21 | raster | yes - signed nda |
| 01:31.29 | raster | i'm not telling u anything that isnt alrteady puclib in the patent |
| 01:31.34 | raster | thus i can speak |
| 01:31.37 | ShellEvil | stabs patents. |
| 01:31.41 | raster | (or was told to me prior to nda) |
| 01:31.42 | Dave | :D |
| 01:31.48 | Dave | heehee |
| 01:31.53 | raster | edistar: from the designers. |
| 01:31.58 | ShellEvil | I found prior art that I scribbled down on paper - can't prove it of course - in the attic the other day. |
| 01:32.34 | ShellEvil | http://www.flometrics.com/rockets/rocket_pump/rocketpump.htm |
| 01:32.40 | ShellEvil | To that. |
| 01:32.42 | Dave | Do you regret not patenting your napkin scribbles? |
| 01:33.21 | ShellEvil | It's just it's so obvious, and I object to the use of the 'novelty' test. |
| 01:33.38 | Dave | :D |
| 01:33.52 | edistar | good night |
| 01:33.54 | Dave | One might even call it, "evil", perhaps? ;) |
| 01:34.23 | ShellEvil | (though in place of the high pressure tank I had a gas generator) |
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| 01:40.03 | emacsen | raster, but it needs a host? |
| 01:40.53 | emacsen | kinda makes it not very useful. Also once you start hitting, say $10 for a micro, you're really not talking cheap anymore |
| 01:41.23 | raster | emacsen: yeah. its just a dram chip |
| 01:41.47 | raster | the idea is - u already have an SOC of some sort |
| 01:42.12 | emacsen | what would the practical application be though? |
| 01:45.17 | raster | emacsen: "Smart ram" |
| 01:45.27 | raster | remember wram on the milleniums? |
| 01:45.36 | emacsen | nope |
| 01:45.40 | raster | ram that could zero itslef or set itself to a value and copy itself around? |
| 01:45.42 | raster | aaah |
| 01:45.44 | raster | ok |
| 01:45.47 | raster | wram was special ram |
| 01:45.53 | raster | u could ask it to do things to itself withotu a cpu |
| 01:46.07 | raster | eg u want to blit (copy) the contets of the screen over 1 pixel to the right |
| 01:46.10 | raster | (scroll) |
| 01:46.14 | emacsen | interesting. I can see that... |
| 01:46.16 | raster | u can just ask the ram to do that to itself |
| 01:46.33 | raster | ie every word (8/16/32bit) just replicates itself onto the memroy cell next to it |
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| 01:46.46 | raster | no cpu/gpu needed to loop over them all one by one |
| 01:46.58 | raster | now imagine u take that idea |
| 01:47.06 | raster | and instead of just 2 or 3 specific thigns it can do |
| 01:47.14 | raster | the ram grows an incredibly simple cpu |
| 01:47.29 | raster | and that cpu has 4 cores |
| 01:47.35 | raster | and its < 100k transistors for it all |
| 01:47.45 | raster | and its directly in silicon on the ram |
| 01:47.56 | raster | there is no bus arbitration |
| 01:48.01 | emacsen | raster, sure. the question is, on something embedded I'd want to see an application where you'd need it |
| 01:48.04 | raster | u cut out anything u dont need |
| 01:48.10 | emacsen | maybe signal processing |
| 01:48.21 | raster | emacsen: signal, video/media/graphics/audio |
| 01:48.25 | raster | tho no floating point |
| 01:48.39 | raster | u'd have to emulate that with integer instrs |
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| 01:48.55 | raster | but because its directly on ram there is no high-powred bus to go threu to get to ram |
| 01:49.01 | raster | its incredibly low latency |
| 01:49.07 | raster | ultra-low power |
| 01:49.26 | mmaestri | rwhitby: are you there? |
| 01:49.28 | emacsen | k |
| 01:50.24 | raster | the problems are that the inst set is so limited u go thru a lot more instructions to get the same thing done as u do on an arm |
| 01:50.25 | raster | for example |
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| 01:50.49 | raster | only 1 acc. it has another 16 registers u can use for some intrusctions either as a source or parameter |
| 01:51.08 | raster | and other limitations |
| 01:51.21 | raster | but within those its pretty open-slather as to what u can do |
| 01:51.28 | raster | the rest is nda'd info |
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| 01:51.47 | emacsen | raster, I think this is just one of those areas where it depends what your application is. For what I'm doing, that's overkill |
| 01:52.16 | raster | yup |
| 01:52.19 | raster | indeed |
| 01:52.29 | raster | for what i do - ie graphics, its almost a godsend |
| 01:52.44 | raster | "finally intelligent ram i can teach to do.. what i want it to!" |
| 01:52.57 | raster | i can offload nastier processing from the cpu onto the ram |
| 01:53.09 | raster | ie convert argb32->rgb565 can become a memcpy() |
| 01:53.13 | rwhitby | mmaestri: yes |
| 01:53.13 | raster | well 2 memcpy()'s |
| 01:53.19 | raster | copy data to there |
| 01:53.23 | raster | go do something else |
| 01:53.29 | raster | come back, memcpy() it back when its ready |
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| 01:53.55 | raster | or alpha blending |
| 01:53.57 | raster | same story |
| 01:54.24 | raster | or image filtering/scaling and other stuff |
| 01:54.41 | raster | mpeg/h623/4 decoding |
| 01:54.41 | raster | etc. |
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| 02:00.03 | mmaestri | rwhitby: the 4sept image seems to be working |
| 02:00.25 | mmaestri | at least it booted and recognized usb net |
| 02:00.38 | mmaestri | i'm doing an update right now |
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| 02:14.19 | rwhitby | mmaestri: fso-testing images are up |
| 02:14.44 | emacsen | ARG. I get an IO error from SD card, screen goes crazy. That, or screen caused IO error |
| 02:15.12 | emacsen | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120 |
| 02:15.12 | emacsen | mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command |
| 02:15.12 | emacsen | end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 395736 |
| 02:15.19 | emacsen | *shakes his fist* |
| 02:15.34 | emacsen | will check the card tomorrow |
| 02:16.08 | mmaestri | rwhitby: i've installed unstable image |
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| 02:21.51 | slaxxin | well did it work? |
| 02:21.53 | slaxxin | :) |
| 02:28.40 | slaxxin | how long does it take to build a fso image using the first method? |
| 02:36.11 | alphabeat1 | slaxxin: i tried using fsomakefile image on an old linux box of mine and it took ages. in fact i got impatient and just downloaded a recent build :P |
| 02:37.17 | playya_ | slaxxin, on my laptop about one and a half day |
| 02:37.28 | playya_ | but this is only the first time you build it |
| 02:37.44 | alphabeat1 | oh true |
| 02:38.23 | slaxxin | well a hav a amd dual core is it ok to build on that? |
| 02:38.41 | alphabeat1 | why not |
| 02:38.47 | slaxxin | 32 bit slackware os |
| 02:38.53 | slaxxin | ok |
| 02:38.53 | playya_ | anyone tried psyco to speedup OE? |
| 02:39.10 | playya_ | i have a pentium M1,7 |
| 02:39.19 | slaxxin | Importing sqlite3 and pysqlite2 failed, |
| 02:39.33 | slaxxin | some dependencies i guess |
| 02:40.06 | slaxxin | y its a 5000+ black |
| 02:45.43 | slaxxin | Python 2.5 or a 'python-pysqlite2' like package is likely to be what you need. |
| 02:45.43 | slaxxin | make[1]: *** [image] Error 1 |
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| 03:12.31 | fen` | i have the fso-testing image from shr.bearstech.com and my free runner tries to suspend/sleep every few seconds.. even while its on power. can i configure this manually, where should i be looking? |
| 03:16.07 | slaxxin | did u see pidgin on it? |
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| 03:19.53 | playya_ | i only compiled a fso |
| 03:20.03 | playya_ | but it should be in power management |
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| 03:30.49 | rwhitby | fen`: at the moment, no you can't. |
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| 03:45.25 | prjktdtnt | where does tango store maps by default if you use the tango gui to download the maps? |
| 03:46.57 | cjb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:47.05 | prjktdtnt | cjb: thanks |
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| 03:53.20 | CVirus | What do people think of FSO3 so far ? |
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| 03:57.23 | prjktdtnt | CVirus: they released FSO3 already? |
| 03:57.30 | LetoTo | gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin ? Are all gta02's solv a v5 and up ? |
| 03:57.50 | LetoTo | is looking at http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ |
| 03:58.02 | CVirus | prjktdtnt: milestone 3 i mean |
| 03:59.03 | Staticwave_Ace | LetoTo: if you *bought* it, its v5 or up |
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| 04:00.51 | CVirus | Why is everything removed from there ! http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ |
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| 04:00.55 | CVirus | mickey|zzZZzz: ? |
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| 04:02.26 | slaxxin | because they ned to change it |
| 04:02.42 | slaxxin | wanted* |
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| 04:14.37 | unknown_lamer | hrm does anyone know what the speed impact of the glamo 90MHz clock / turbo host patches are? |
| 04:15.12 | unknown_lamer | bus bandwidth increase to 9M/s without blocking the cpu the entire time? Or perhaps something else? |
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| 04:16.42 | unknown_lamer | or is it (7M/s + 60%) + 12.5% (if so, yesssssss) |
| 04:16.50 | ShellEvil | 90M/s! |
| 04:16.52 | ShellEvil | hopes. |
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| 04:17.21 | unknown_lamer | 90! I hope that *wasn't* a typo :-) |
| 04:18.50 | unknown_lamer | (7M/s + 60%) + 12.5% is still only 12.6M/s but ... |
| 04:20.13 | unknown_lamer | except then there is the reduction of waitstates from 3 -> 0 reducing memory bus timing by 3 clocks--I can't tell if andy's commit comment of 60% refers to just the 30->80MHz clockspeed change or to that + waitstate reduction |
| 04:20.49 | unknown_lamer | 'tho the commit comment seems to indicate that now the glamo won't jam down nWAIT as often |
| 04:20.56 | prjktdtnt | is there a way to export a copy of the contacts on the sim as a vcard address-book |
| 04:20.57 | prjktdtnt | ? |
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| 04:21.04 | ShellEvil | compile and test? |
| 04:21.07 | unknown_lamer | which, hey, 11-12M/s is alright if it isn't blocking the cpu the entire time |
| 04:21.25 | ShellEvil | 7M isn't even too bad if it doesn't block the CPU. |
| 04:21.26 | ShellEvil | However. |
| 04:21.35 | ShellEvil | As I understand it, it's likely to block the CPU. |
| 04:21.41 | lloyd_fedora | does the debian image have a password .. it asks me for one when i ssh into the neo ? |
| 04:21.44 | ShellEvil | But I don't understand it in depth. |
| 04:21.59 | ShellEvil | lloyd_fedora: you've tried just hitting enter? |
| 04:22.26 | unknown_lamer | ShellEvil: yes in the current state -- but did you see the glamo related andy branch patches a few weeks ago? |
| 04:22.38 | lloyd_fedora | ShellEvil: yes .. does not work |
| 04:23.01 | ShellEvil | unknown_lamer: no |
| 04:23.16 | ShellEvil | unknown_lamer: no hardware - so I can't really do meaningful tests. |
| 04:23.23 | unknown_lamer | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/commitlog/2008-August/005782.html |
| 04:23.44 | unknown_lamer | but no comments other than a short thread on -devel about one of the patches causing resume issues |
| 04:24.06 | raster | the waitstates are a killer |
| 04:24.23 | raster | as any copeis to glamo get funneled through a tiny pipe at 7m/sec |
| 04:24.32 | raster | and during that time the cpu is basically hostage to glamo-write cycles |
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| 04:24.44 | raster | if u could write asyncronously (no waitstates) |
| 04:24.48 | unknown_lamer | raster: do you know what the implications of the first two patches there are? |
| 04:24.51 | raster | but still have 7m/sec it'd be much better |
| 04:24.57 | raster | thats what we tried to do with dma |
| 04:25.13 | raster | but dma just did the same thing - waitstate hell - and was worse than cpu copies |
| 04:25.13 | unknown_lamer | but then the memory controller blocks and you are screwed anyway :-) |
| 04:25.22 | raster | bingo |
| 04:25.48 | ShellEvil | Does the 50-80MHz basically mean it goes from 7-10? |
| 04:25.50 | unknown_lamer | but the two glamo patches from that commit seem to indicate that the glamo shouldn't assert nWAIT so much now? |
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| 04:27.00 | raster | no idea |
| 04:28.11 | unknown_lamer | hrm, I guess I'll post to -kernel and hope andy will say something |
| 04:30.19 | raster | last i knew glamos' internal clock was able to do 90mhz |
| 04:30.29 | raster | but was dropped to 80 due to instability |
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| 04:31.18 | CVirus | slaxxin: wanted to change what exactly ? |
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| 04:32.21 | unknown_lamer | raster: yeah there was a short thread on -devel about the 90MHz patch causing resume not to work properly for at least one person |
| 04:32.35 | unknown_lamer | raster: but 30 -> 80 for the bus is nice |
| 04:33.00 | unknown_lamer | err 50 -> 80 |
| 04:33.14 | raster | lets see |
| 04:33.31 | raster | u'll notice it if it actually works |
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| 04:35.02 | mwester | Yes, there is a failure to resume that happens with the glamo patches; that's one of the problems that led to FSO3 being delayed. |
| 04:35.27 | CVirus | any date ? |
| 04:35.42 | mwester | IMO, this highlights the silliness involved in trying to make things "go fast" and "look purdie", rather than focusing on make it work right to begin with. :( |
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| 04:36.22 | unknown_lamer | mwester: I thought andy was also working on a rather large patch to reorder the suspend/resume dependencies and kill all of the race conditions? |
| 04:36.36 | mwester | CVirus: should be tomorrow I would think; the FSO image will drop back to the "stable" kernel instead of the "andy" kernel. |
| 04:36.52 | CVirus | would that make it suspend/resume reliably ? |
| 04:37.01 | CVirus | without wsod ? |
| 04:37.12 | raster | wozd! |
| 04:37.21 | mwester | unknown_lamer: So I've heard. And then heard again. And then again. But we still have no code, and meanwhile I (and others I suspect) have stopped working on the kernel waiting for this major change. |
| 04:37.31 | CVirus | When the fsck is the wsod supposed to be fixed ffs !! |
| 04:37.44 | mwester | CVirus: I haven't see a WSOD since the last patches I submitted; they went into "stable" weeks ago. |
| 04:38.02 | CVirus | mwester: what image are you using ? |
| 04:38.06 | unknown_lamer | mwester: hopefully it is just a huge patch and taking him a while and he hasn't been tasked with other things |
| 04:38.25 | CVirus | mwester == werner ? |
| 04:38.29 | mwester | CVirus: I've tried them all; they all pretty much fail (except the 2007.2) in one way or another. |
| 04:38.40 | mwester | CVirus: no |
| 04:38.54 | CVirus | so .. no more wsod ? |
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| 04:39.01 | mwester | unknown_lamer: I'm worried about the latter part you write being true. |
| 04:39.31 | CVirus | mwester: will you please link me to your patches that fixed the wsod ? |
| 04:39.42 | raster | ponders how best to tackle scaling... |
| 04:39.52 | mwester | CVirus: Unknown. I can't reproduce it, but it seems to be reported by others, but I can't really know what kernel they are running, as there is no standard kernel identification. |
| 04:40.21 | mwester | raster: integer multiplication, preferably powers of 2. :D Fast! |
| 04:40.44 | CVirus | mwester: will you please link me to your patches that fixed the wsod ? |
| 04:40.49 | raster | mwester: hahahaha |
| 04:40.52 | raster | nono |
| 04:40.54 | raster | ui scaling |
| 04:41.03 | raster | some bits of ui u want scaled |
| 04:41.05 | raster | some not |
| 04:41.10 | raster | some within limits |
| 04:41.10 | CVirus | mwester: how long does your battery stay alive with suspend/resume enabled ? |
| 04:41.19 | raster | eg |
| 04:41.19 | CVirus | mwester: do you think it is reliable at the moment ? |
| 04:41.30 | raster | u dont want to scale DOWN to a 2x2 pixel battery icon as its useless |
| 04:41.31 | raster | :) |
| 04:41.31 | CVirus | mwester: does it wake on calls/sms normally ? |
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| 04:43.11 | mwester | CVirus: I have no user-space that works well enough to know what problems remain in the kernel; all the images fail in one way or another. But with 2007.2, I have no WSOD, calls and SMS wake from suspend ok, audio is screwed up but it has always had volume problems on 2007.2 for me, and on battery it lasts almost 24 hours. |
| 04:44.03 | CVirus | mwester: not even FSO milestone 2 ? |
| 04:44.08 | mwester | CVirus: the patches are best found on the openmoko git repo -- stable branch. |
| 04:44.14 | mwester | CVirus: nope. |
| 04:44.24 | mwester | No SMS on FSO MS2 |
| 04:44.38 | CVirus | ah |
| 04:44.40 | mwester | Also no useful power-management by default. |
| 04:44.45 | raster | no incoming calls either |
| 04:44.48 | raster | last i checked |
| 04:45.14 | CVirus | mwester: your patches are glamo related for sure ? |
| 04:46.52 | mwester | CVirus: the last set had one patch that altered the suspend/resume handling for the glamo and PMU, in the unusual case where the phone would begin suspend, but something would prevent it from suspending all the way (such as a resume event, or a driver error). |
| 04:47.32 | CVirus | should this ticket be closed then ? http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1841 |
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| 04:48.33 | mwester | :D The badly-broken 2008.8 image uncovered the suspend/resume problem, as it triggered the GSM to do nothing but an endless stream of errors back to the host -- even as the device was trying to suspend. So that's actually a positive development out of the broken 2008.8 image! :D |
| 04:49.10 | CVirus | 2008.8 is going to hell |
| 04:49.38 | mwester | CVirus: No, I don't think we can close that ticket, there are still people reporting problems -- I'm not convinced that we have found all the things that can cause a WSOD -- that's where we need either of two things: |
| 04:49.41 | KenYoung | CVirus, Why do you say that? |
| 04:49.50 | mwester | A) Andy's time to help track it down, or |
| 04:50.06 | mwester | B) Andy's big resume patchset to hopefully fix it once and for all. |
| 04:50.06 | CVirus | KenYoung: from what I hear .. it is crappy |
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| 04:50.53 | CVirus | mwester: are you an OM dev or a volunteer ? |
| 04:51.02 | mwester | 2008.8, the original image from August 8th, was a snapshot that wouldn't have passed QA in any organization; it must have been pushed out by Om's management, as no developer nor any QA person would have let that leave the bulding. |
| 04:51.15 | mwester | CVirus: I'm just a community member. |
| 04:51.19 | CVirus | cool |
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| 04:51.46 | CVirus | wants to learn C |
| 04:52.10 | mwester | CVirus: I had an idea on an application I wanted to do, and got started with the GTA01 -- discovered that the fundamentals weren't even in place, and that's how I ended up working on kernel stuff. Hopefully I'll find time someday to work on my original idea. |
| 04:52.35 | CVirus | hehe |
| 04:52.49 | CVirus | good luck |
| 04:53.02 | KenYoung | What is OM loading onto the Freerunners it is selling now? 2008.8? |
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| 04:53.45 | prjktdtnt | KenYoung: mine came with 2007.2 |
| 04:54.04 | prjktdtnt | if you order from a distributor I believe they'll have 2007.2 on them |
| 04:54.17 | KenYoung | prjktdtnt, Mine did too, but that was quite a while ago. Did you get yours recently? |
| 04:54.28 | prjktdtnt | KenYoung: yesterday :) |
| 04:55.06 | KenYoung | prjktdtnt, Well, that certainly answers my question! Thanks. |
| 04:55.18 | prjktdtnt | you're welcome |
| 04:55.33 | prjktdtnt | actually i'm so happy to finally have mine, been playing with 2008.8 update :) |
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| 04:56.10 | mwester | Anyone have any suggestions for a quality PDA-style (i.e. foldable) bluetooth keyboard? |
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| 05:06.01 | playya | mwester, the nokia one if you have small fingers |
| 05:07.10 | mwester | thanks - I'll go google it. I've never seen that one; the local stores only have the iGo |
| 05:07.42 | playya | i avoided in for my n800 and got a logitech one |
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| 05:08.26 | playya | http://www.amadeus-oberasbach.de/product_info.php?info=p48255_Tas-WL-Logitech-diNovo-Mini-Bluetooth.html&language=de |
| 05:08.33 | playya | this might be nice too |
| 05:08.47 | playya | i had the normal size one of this |
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| 05:10.12 | mwester | Pricey, but it sure looks cool. |
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| 05:15.56 | playya | bluetooth is always expensive |
| 05:16.17 | playya | general keyboard: 5⬠with bluetooth: 105⬠|
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| 05:16.50 | ieatlint | if you're spending â¬5 on a keyboard, you're too cheap |
| 05:17.00 | playya | why? |
| 05:17.09 | ieatlint | and if you're spending â¬105 on a bt keyboard, you're being ripped off (unless it's a special portable one or the like) |
| 05:17.34 | ieatlint | because splurge and get one that lasts a lot longer and feels a lot better |
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| 05:17.42 | playya | my last 5⬠keyboard died because of a heavy collision with my screen |
| 05:17.58 | playya | after several years |
| 05:17.58 | ieatlint | i have two model m keyboards, $30 each including shipping |
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| 05:19.09 | playya | i now have a 30⬠keyboard |
| 05:20.05 | playya | one of the cheap one @ media markt |
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| 05:29.19 | maddy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:38.37 | prjktdtnt | is it possible to repartition/format the SD card while it is in the FR? mine won't mount in my ubuntu memory card reader |
| 05:40.15 | rwhitby | sure, just install fdisk |
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| 05:40.40 | prjktdtnt | what is the /dev of the SD? mmcblk0? |
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| 06:06.08 | KenYoung | Is there an easy way to prevent qpe from chewing up 1/2 hour of CPU time whenever OM 2008.8 is booted? |
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| 06:40.57 | prjktdtnt | there's nothing starting with /dev/mmc now, i wonder what is going on with that SD card |
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| 06:46.01 | gromez | someone else have FSO MS3 and could not launch the messagebook ? (disabled icon) |
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| 06:48.25 | prjktdtnt | gromez: would you say FSO MS3 would work currently as a day to day use phone |
| 06:49.33 | gromez | prjktdtnt: it looks like, it's pretty fast |
| 06:50.19 | gromez | but yesterday i didn't have time to test it a lot |
| 06:51.29 | prjktdtnt | gromez: i use my phone to send/receive calls, send/receive sms and manage my contacts so if it can do that I think i'll download and test it tonight |
| 06:54.29 | beni_ | prjktdtnt: maybe https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 is related to your problem |
| 06:54.34 | beni_ | with sd card |
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| 06:54.55 | prjktdtnt | beni_ thanks I'll take a look, mine is the 512MB that shipped with the phone |
| 06:55.20 | gromez | prjktdtnt: as i've said, there's just a problem with the messagebook, so i could not send any message (i don't know if i can receive) |
| 06:56.22 | methril | morning |
| 06:56.41 | gromez | 'lo methril |
| 06:57.46 | prjktdtnt | gromez: ok I'll wait for now then |
| 06:57.53 | prjktdtnt | thanks for the info :) |
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| 07:00.24 | prjktdtnt | well I'm off for now ttfn |
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| 07:10.29 | |FiLiP| | gromez: I remeber having seen such a problem before |
| 07:11.06 | |FiLiP| | I think it had to do with not having any messages yet (empty sms-inbox). Maybe you can try getting a message inthere first |
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| 07:12.00 | gromez | |FiLiP|: oh, i see, i'll check this this evening, thanks :) |
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| 07:26.06 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:48.22 | prjktdtnt | so even after a few opkg update && opkg upgrade I still get signature errors for Multiverse and Om2008.8 repositories (error 404) |
| 07:48.30 | prjktdtnt | did someone not upload the sigs? |
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| 07:50.28 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rf1755115d1e6 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] update opkg to get 302 redirect bugfixe |
| 07:50.28 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rd5ff53efe99d 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of /home/dp/openmoko/openmoko/ into org.openmoko.dev |
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| 08:00.03 | prjktdtnt | I see that the opkg following 302 works now, when will the resolv.conf issues be fixed so that I don't have to have the USB connected to get online with the FR (om2008.8) |
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| 08:25.05 | hama | hi all, i guess its asked from others before: what happens with ms3? |
| 08:26.07 | beni_ | hama: ists done when its done |
| 08:26.17 | beni_ | we all wait for it |
| 08:26.45 | hama | beni_: but it was dl-able tonight...? |
| 08:27.46 | Bill | hama: with comment "NOT_YET_READY" |
| 08:27.47 | gromez | hama: yeah, images are gone |
| 08:28.07 | Bill | i got the image.. but i suppose there was some issues with it |
| 08:28.18 | Bill | haven't had time to test it yet |
| 08:28.27 | hama | uh, i see... |
| 08:28.36 | beni_ | im looking forward to test it :) |
| 08:28.44 | beni_ | hows asu recently? |
| 08:28.56 | hama | wasnt sure i was dreaming this, but me have a look: yes openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080910-om-gta01.rootfs its in my home :) |
| 08:28.58 | beni_ | does it already build upon past Milestone-II code? |
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| 08:30.07 | hama | last stable asu wored fine for me |
| 08:30.23 | hama | but suspend makes trouble... |
| 08:30.32 | beni_ | havent followed the last development stuff, i have fso the last weeks |
| 08:30.35 | hama | *worked |
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| 08:31.39 | hama | oh... i installed the wrong kernel: openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080910-om-gta01.rootfs - but me have gta02... but it works |
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| 08:36.26 | beni_ | hama: thats not the kernel. |
| 08:36.31 | beni_ | thats the rootfs. |
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| 08:37.25 | hama | yes, true. but its for gta01, me have 02... wonder thats running this well for bow... |
| 08:37.32 | hama | *now |
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| 08:52.21 | jave | hello |
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| 08:53.42 | jave | I have dual boot fso and debian. does both use the same kernel when dual booting? |
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| 09:03.10 | lambda | jave not at all |
| 09:03.32 | lambda | debian has its specific set of compiled modules |
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| 09:27.00 | akus | hello chan...!!! |
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| 09:27.15 | gromez | hello akus |
| 09:28.29 | ieatlint | has anyone here tried to bring a frozen bottle of water onto a plane and try to argue that it's a solid, not a liquid? |
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| 09:29.11 | prjktdtnt | ieatlint: not I, I don't fly though |
| 09:29.21 | leinir | *giggles* It wouldn't work over here, at any rate, because there's a fairly simple rule in Denmark, known as the "taking the piss rule" :) |
| 09:29.58 | ieatlint | happily i never learnt that rule whilst visiting denmark |
| 09:30.03 | prjktdtnt | i just got gprs working |
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| 09:30.35 | prjktdtnt | thank heaven for working instructions in the wiki |
| 09:30.44 | ieatlint | here security has the "you may be right, but i can still make you miss your flight" rule |
| 09:30.47 | prjktdtnt | now if only the services gui for it would actually work |
| 09:32.21 | leinir | ieatlint: Hehe, sort of like the checkin counter clerk who had to take a lot of shit from some stupid person, and of course had to be all nice to that person... After leaving they were overheard saying something like "Well, he got on his flight to Paris, just a shame his luggage is on its way to Tunesia" ;) |
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| 09:32.37 | Tig| | ieatlint: I suspect that there would be a tiny little bit of melted ice and therefore the bottle would be classed as a "liquid-solid mixture" which is on the list.... |
| 09:33.35 | ieatlint | Tig|, oh, i'll buy some dry ice then, and keep the bottle next to it until just before they look in my bag, then pass the dry ice off to someone who isn't lfying |
| 09:33.43 | ieatlint | unless the allow dry ice... which i somehow doubt |
| 09:34.59 | ieatlint | or how about asking them "is my blood ok, or do i have to get rid of that liquid too?" and when they give you a dirty look and tell you it's ok, pull out a pint-bag of blood and walk through |
| 09:36.58 | jave | lambda: Thanks |
| 09:38.04 | Tig| | ieatlint: hmm that could be tricky, each liquid cannot be in a bottle more than 100ml and they have to fit in a transparent bag with a maximum capacity of 1L, the average body contains approx 5.6L of blood... |
| 09:39.53 | ieatlint | i should get a job with the TSA |
| 09:40.13 | ieatlint | i bet a could do a great job bullying people and mindlessly staring at nothing |
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| 09:42.24 | hipitihop | waves to the residents |
| 09:42.36 | prjktdtnt | waves to hipitihop |
| 09:43.05 | hipitihop | so fso m3 out yet ? |
| 09:43.32 | prjktdtnt | hipitihop: from what i heard earlier someone has already been using it, don't know what problems exist though |
| 09:43.52 | prjktdtnt | I use 2008.8 myself since it has what I need for everyday use |
| 09:44.04 | Tig| | hipitihop: nope |
| 09:44.17 | prjktdtnt | Tig|: I thought it came out earlier today? |
| 09:44.19 | hipitihop | prjktdtnt, what are your needs |
| 09:44.21 | Tig| | I have the page open in firefox and keep reloading it now and again |
| 09:44.47 | Tig| | there is still an unclosed bug in it |
| 09:44.57 | prjktdtnt | hipitihop: send/receive sms, phone calls, contacts management and now that I got it working in 2008.8 I'd need GPRS data |
| 09:45.07 | hipitihop | acknowledges he is as impatient as Tig| |
| 09:45.13 | Tig| | :) |
| 09:45.49 | Tig| | milestone 4 is due in 3 weeks :) |
| 09:46.06 | hipitihop | prjktdtnt, yu running 2008.8-updated or some special blend ? |
| 09:46.17 | gromez | hipitihop: it was out :p |
| 09:46.32 | prjktdtnt | hipitihop: 2008.8-update with the GPRS using gui instructions |
| 09:46.48 | Tig| | the wiki page is up for it |
| 09:47.00 | hipitihop | Tig|, I suspect after m3 polish should start happening quickly...at least that's the hope |
| 09:47.12 | Tig| | but no updates on the screenshots and it says it has changed a bit |
| 09:47.34 | prjktdtnt | on FSO what works so far? |
| 09:47.49 | hipitihop | gromez, "it was out" ? |
| 09:48.36 | OdyX | What is the state of the SHR build on shr.b.c ? |
| 09:48.37 | gromez | hipitihop: kernel and rootfs was uploaded yesterday at http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ |
| 09:48.58 | hipitihop | prjktdtnt, phone in/out & basic sms, contacts. suspend resume seems to work but lose audio |
| 09:49.07 | gromez | but this morning, the directory was empty |
| 09:49.27 | hipitihop | must be imminent |
| 09:49.48 | prjktdtnt | hipitihop i think i'll stick with 2008.8, i've got manual suspend working (using power button tap) and it resumes properly from that |
| 09:49.59 | prjktdtnt | finally got the GSM buzzing for the first time but it was minimal |
| 09:50.10 | hipitihop | prjktdtnt, keyboard works too, not sure if it is raster's but sure is better then 2008.8-updated |
| 09:50.57 | prjktdtnt | hipitihop, isn't there a way to get raster's working properly on 2008.8-updated |
| 09:50.59 | prjktdtnt | ? |
| 09:51.12 | RedFlash | on 2008.8 i miss some sort of Home screen |
| 09:51.27 | prjktdtnt | right now i'm playing around with the angstrom repo |
| 09:51.44 | hipitihop | prjktdtnt, I'm sure there is just not installed by default |
| 09:51.58 | Tig| | prjktdtnt: on 2008 there is an issue with the qtopia keyboard still sometimes appearing over the illume one, there is not much they can do about it :( |
| 09:52.19 | prjktdtnt | Tig|, qtopia keyboard always comes up in mine so far |
| 09:52.43 | gromez | even with : echo 'export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1' >> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia |
| 09:52.44 | gromez | ? |
| 09:52.58 | Tig| | prjktdtnt: sorry I meant if you were wanting to use rasters/illume keyboard |
| 09:53.38 | prjktdtnt | I've installed illume-config but not raster's keys, I wasn't sure who it was that made the working keyboard so I hadn't done it yet |
| 09:53.39 | Tig| | gromez: ah when did they find that? last time I looked at it (probably about a week or so ago) they were still having issues with it |
| 09:53.50 | hipitihop | RedFlash, not sure what you mean, but I'm not happy with the base desktop of any of the distros so far. I was hoping for something new and cool |
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| 09:53.55 | prjktdtnt | gromez: do I have to restart the FR after that or only xsession? |
| 09:54.23 | gromez | Tig|: i took it from a mail of raster on community list |
| 09:54.38 | gromez | http://gromez.fr/~gromez/openmoko/howto-illume-keyboard.txt |
| 09:54.39 | Tig| | oh cool :) well I stand corrected then :) |
| 09:54.56 | fredrin | is fso ms3 out again now? I still cant see it on http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ |
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| 09:56.03 | OdyX | it has never been out... |
| 09:56.17 | OdyX | there were random packages somewhere on the web... |
| 09:56.24 | OdyX | but no official announce ;) |
| 09:56.48 | RedFlash | well .. i mean . first thing you see on om2008 are the "Program" Icons ... |
| 09:56.55 | hama | OdyX: somewhere? here:http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ |
| 09:57.31 | OdyX | hama: I know... but it has not been "out" |
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| 09:57.58 | hama | OdyX: well, ok. but it runs nice so far here :) |
| 09:58.06 | gromez | not officially |
| 09:58.09 | OdyX | hama: for me too ;) |
| 09:58.29 | fredrin | i want to try too |
| 09:58.33 | fredrin | ... |
| 09:59.00 | fredrin | even if its not out out yet |
| 09:59.16 | fredrin | is it the |
| 09:59.30 | fredrin | is it the X keyboard issiue that is holding it back? |
| 09:59.30 | hama | and i made a big mistake yesterday: dl the wrong rootfs-file... have gta02 and dl gta01... but it wor |
| 09:59.36 | gromez | fredrin: you can test the daily build on shr.bearstech.com |
| 09:59.37 | hama | k |
| 10:00.39 | fredrin | gromez: mmmmkay |
| 10:00.39 | hipitihop | gromez, are you talking about fso-unstable ? |
| 10:01.13 | gromez | hipitihop: yes, fredrin is impatient :p |
| 10:01.51 | hipitihop | gromes, he's not the only one |
| 10:02.02 | hipitihop | s/gromes/gromez |
| 10:03.10 | prjktdtnt | gromez: the illume package 404's |
| 10:03.16 | prjktdtnt | from the link you posted |
| 10:04.25 | gromez | prjktdtnt: yes, the txt is not up-to-date :( |
| 10:04.50 | prjktdtnt | gromez: will svnr170-r0.01 work? |
| 10:05.47 | gromez | prjktdtnt: try and tell me :) |
| 10:06.41 | prjktdtnt | reinstalling it since it wasn't showing up for some reason |
| 10:07.20 | prjktdtnt | (the illume-config wrench that is) |
| 10:08.50 | hipitihop | goes to grab some dinner |
| 10:09.18 | prjktdtnt | ok gromez, rebooting now, lets hope it worked, i hate the qtopia keyboard |
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| 10:12.14 | gngn | hi there, I installed debian on freerunner following the instruction given at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner. The default boot is going off and on repeatedly with the openmoko logo and a bright white screen and this goes on forever. This was installed on the sdcard. any clues of how to fix this? |
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| 10:15.03 | prjktdtnt | didn't work |
| 10:17.10 | prjktdtnt | does raster's keyboard download with illume-config or do you have to download it separately? |
| 10:23.48 | prjktdtnt | opkg keeps erroring out when i attempt to install illume-keyboard-terminal with error code 2 |
| 10:25.38 | maddy | gngn: did your installation completed?? |
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| 10:26.03 | beni_ | damn, i forgot my usb cable at home |
| 10:26.08 | beni_ | so no FR play today. :( |
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| 10:26.31 | prjktdtnt | beni_ that's no fun |
| 10:27.56 | beni_ | no, especially because i havent recharged the device after my last power-savings tests. |
| 10:28.05 | beni_ | so i have an empty device in my pocket :/ |
| 10:28.34 | beni_ | ok, i think something around half an hour is still in the battery, but. |
| 10:28.36 | prjktdtnt | is anyone else using angstrom repos? I just realized the upgrade i'm doing is pulling almost everything from angstrom so I was wondering how stable it is |
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| 10:28.57 | viq | beni_: ask around, maybe someone has a cable for their portable player or disk or camera ;) |
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| 10:29.38 | prjktdtnt | also does anyone know if 2008.8 when you tap the power button if it is the manual way of suspend? it seems to work well, battery stays fairly charged, only dropped 25% in the 5 hours I was playing with it before I could bring out the laptop at work |
| 10:30.23 | viq | prjktdtnt: yes, it is the suspend command |
| 10:31.04 | prjktdtnt | viq: thanks, that's what I thought but wasn't sure |
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| 10:31.14 | prjktdtnt | it seems that so long as i'm using manual suspend it works great |
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| 10:34.52 | beni_ | how far is suspend currently? |
| 10:35.00 | beni_ | are there soe news a bout that issue? |
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| 10:36.40 | hama | beni: what release? |
| 10:39.16 | gngn | maddy: yes installation is completed |
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| 10:40.01 | zogg_ | Is there a way to completely remove illume keyboard? |
| 10:40.15 | maddy | gngn: after installation, zhone image will be running on your screen |
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| 10:40.26 | zogg_ | looks like some key packages depends on keyboard packs |
| 10:40.42 | gngn | maddy: i am stuck at the reboot stage |
| 10:41.09 | maddy | gngn: ok, |
| 10:41.42 | gngn | I also ran the script configure-uboot.sh |
| 10:42.08 | maddy | gngn: before getting a white flash screen or after it |
| 10:43.24 | gngn | maddy: i first get the logo screen with openmoko, then a white flash screen and then again the logo and so on |
| 10:43.31 | maddy | gngn: it happened for me also |
| 10:43.46 | gngn | maddy: how did you fix it? |
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| 10:45.00 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03charlie137 * r3b3a104f0373 10/src/server/phone/callscreen/semithemed/callscreen.cpp: [dialer] Skip mute action if the profile volume is zero on incoming call. |
| 10:45.11 | maddy | gngn: means after adding some deb packages to source list, when we try to update it that time i got stuck |
| 10:45.44 | maddy | gngn: i followed http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Zhone |
| 10:47.59 | maddy | gngn: after getting logo screen for second time then is it switiching back to your original screen?? |
| 10:49.38 | maddy | gngn: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
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| 10:51.21 | beni_ | hama: sorry, had to do things meanwhile. i have a recently flashed FSO MS-II |
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| 10:53.29 | gngn | maddy: no it does not switch back to the screen, it goes on forever, then I use the alt key to go back to the boot menu and shutdown or boot to qtopia from the flash |
| 10:53.40 | poof3OoX | hi, did anyone here recently boot the Om2008.8-testing kernel from sd-card? |
| 10:53.47 | poof3OoX | I think there might be a bug |
| 10:55.21 | poof3OoX | I want a second opinion before I open a ticket |
| 10:56.35 | maddy | gngn : then no idea |
| 10:57.38 | tc | poof3OoX: Do tell.. |
| 10:58.00 | gngn | maddy: the site http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Zhone is for installing zhone on ubuntu not on freerunner, I am talking about installing debian distributiion on the freerunner. thanks any way. |
| 10:58.26 | poof3OoX | ok, thing is, i know for a fact that that sd-card is bootable. |
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| 10:58.44 | maddy | gngn: yaa, again i have send you onemore link |
| 10:58.53 | poof3OoX | but when I try, I get something about the image not being suitable for some bootm command or something. |
| 10:59.11 | poof3OoX | i searched the wiki, i searched the net, that error message is not there. |
| 10:59.32 | Tig| | hipitihop: seeing as you are as impatient as me you might like this : http://specto.sourceforge.net/ I have it watching for the MS3 images every 5 mins :) |
| 10:59.39 | poof3OoX | I'll give the complete error message in a minute |
| 11:00.55 | poof3OoX | it says "kernel image not suitable for bootm command" |
| 11:01.08 | poof3OoX | btw, i got the latest u-boot as of yesterday |
| 11:02.01 | poof3OoX | oh and I checked: the version on the server and the one on the card are binary identical as by md5sum |
| 11:02.18 | prjktdtnt | i hate the qtopia keyboard |
| 11:03.06 | lpotter | whiich keyboard? |
| 11:03.16 | emacsen | So Debian on the OM works, but then it stops working AS A PHONE! |
| 11:03.17 | prjktdtnt | lpotter: the Om2008.8 default keyboard |
| 11:03.25 | lpotter | ah ok |
| 11:03.32 | lpotter | thats not a qtopia keyboard |
| 11:03.43 | lpotter | just looks like it |
| 11:04.15 | prjktdtnt | lpotter: acts like it too, i've used the qtopia images and the KB functions the same |
| 11:04.24 | emacsen | ...luckily I can just reboot into Qtopia but, seriously, WTF |
| 11:04.27 | prjktdtnt | from what i've found |
| 11:05.01 | prjktdtnt | emacsen: i thought gsm and the like had packages you could install to make them work |
| 11:05.02 | lpotter | it imitates it, but its not the same |
| 11:05.34 | lpotter | wow you cant make phone calls with debian? whoda thunk it |
| 11:05.37 | emacsen | prjktdtnt, why wouldn't they install by default/ and if they're not on by default, why does the phone register? |
| 11:05.58 | emacsen | lpotter, sorry, when I see a dialer (zhone) I assume the thing can DIAL! |
| 11:06.19 | emacsen | and then it says it's registered with t-mobile, all the more reason |
| 11:06.29 | beni_ | short question - GTA02v6, is that equal to GTA02v5 with GPS HW-fix? |
| 11:07.16 | poof3OoX | beni_: there's some more, look it up in the hardware section of the wiki |
| 11:07.24 | beni_ | ah havent found it |
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| 11:07.31 | TAsn | is gta02v6 out yet? |
| 11:07.44 | TAsn | i mean, if i ordered mine a week ago, what am i getting? |
| 11:07.47 | TAsn | (koolu) |
| 11:08.16 | prjktdtnt | if I knew where to find what version of the hardware i have i'd tell you what koolu ships |
| 11:08.24 | prjktdtnt | i just received mine from them 2 days ago |
| 11:08.28 | TAsn | :) |
| 11:08.30 | TAsn | 850 or 900? |
| 11:08.34 | gromez | beni_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_revisions |
| 11:08.35 | prjktdtnt | 850 |
| 11:08.38 | TAsn | cause i think 900 are newer stock... |
| 11:09.20 | emacsen | ROFLMAO |
| 11:09.37 | emacsen | even better, 10 mins later my (home) phone rings from my cell phone |
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| 11:12.41 | ronny | GAH |
| 11:12.55 | ronny | i just noticed the default fso3 ringtone |
| 11:12.58 | ronny | GAH |
| 11:13.10 | emacsen | heh |
| 11:13.48 | pabs3 | is 'out of credit' something that Qtopia should be able to detect when sending an sms? |
| 11:14.09 | Tig| | it can't be worse than FSO2, I could not work out what was going on when it first rang, I thought it had loaded an 1980s game console emulator |
| 11:14.12 | ronny | ops |
| 11:14.19 | Weiss | TAsn: my FR from Pulster in the August shipment was v6 |
| 11:14.23 | ronny | hmm |
| 11:14.37 | ronny | dammit, i managed to loose my options button for the general configuration |
| 11:14.39 | Weiss | TAsn: and also seems to have a faulty wlan module :( |
| 11:14.50 | ronny | anyone knows what executable to start in order to reconfigure? |
| 11:15.30 | Dave | Pabs :D |
| 11:15.37 | Dave | Qtopia stole your credit card? :P |
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| 11:16.02 | TAsn | Weiss, really? |
| 11:16.07 | TAsn | so im getting v6? cool :) |
| 11:16.14 | pabs3 | Dave: if only I had one to steal, it probably would |
| 11:16.25 | ronny | anyone? |
| 11:16.26 | TAsn | Weiss, are all wlan modules faulty? or just you got a doa? |
| 11:16.50 | Weiss | TAsn: no, just me. noone else has the same problems |
| 11:17.02 | beni_ | so, well, if i have a factory-side GPS HW fix, i can safely assume to own a GTA02V6? |
| 11:17.20 | ronny | hmm |
| 11:17.21 | Bill | beni_: yup |
| 11:17.22 | ronny | btw |
| 11:17.25 | TAsn | Weiss, phew ;) (sorry for you, though this mean i have a change) |
| 11:17.26 | beni_ | cool |
| 11:17.30 | beni_ | very cool indeed |
| 11:17.41 | TAsn | and if i got this fix |
| 11:17.45 | TAsn | is there a way to remove the software fix? |
| 11:17.47 | Weiss | TAsn: you don't need to worry :) - everything else works very nicely indeed (about 20 seconds to get a GPS fix, calls and SMS mostly working even when suspended, etc) |
| 11:17.49 | TAsn | (that blocks sd) |
| 11:17.49 | ronny | anyone knows if 4.7µF instead of 5µF are enough to fix the gta 2 gps? |
| 11:18.02 | TAsn | Weiss, what distro? |
| 11:18.13 | ronny | (we got 4.7µF here, we'd have to order 5µF |
| 11:18.23 | ronny | brb, need to get food |
| 11:18.28 | beni_ | ronny: i would us e a 5 |
| 11:18.29 | Weiss | TAsn: software fix is configurable via sysfs, but you don't need to alter it unless you have SD card problems. i think the sw fix also saves a bit of battery.. |
| 11:18.34 | Weiss | TAsn: OM2008.8-update |
| 11:18.45 | TAsn | Weiss, cool. |
| 11:18.58 | TAsn | hm... i c. what's your battery time? |
| 11:19.15 | Dave | :P |
| 11:19.22 | Dave | What software fix? |
| 11:19.30 | TAsn | Dave, gps. |
| 11:19.33 | TAsn | well im off. |
| 11:19.34 | TAsn | gtg :) |
| 11:19.37 | TAsn | cya. |
| 11:19.39 | beni_ | cu |
| 11:19.40 | TAsn | Weiss, thanks. |
| 11:19.48 | Weiss | a couple of days with standby i think, never let it run down though |
| 11:19.54 | Dave | what, the glamo fix? |
| 11:20.11 | Weiss | Dave: all the SD card drive configuration stuff |
| 11:20.13 | Dave | Weiss, that has been fixed as well. |
| 11:20.30 | Dave | the battery discharing problem. |
| 11:20.39 | Weiss | hmm? |
| 11:20.41 | Dave | It now shuts off prematurely :0 |
| 11:20.50 | Dave | So that it will be able to power up again |
| 11:20.54 | Dave | in order to charge |
| 11:21.12 | Weiss | the deep discharge problem? i wasn't talking about that.. |
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| 11:21.47 | viq | Hm, indeed after suspending sound doesn't work on Om2008 :( |
| 11:21.56 | Dave | cool |
| 11:22.14 | Weiss | i just meant i hadn't yet allowed it to get discharged enough to make a proper estimate of how long it lasts (because i always want to plug it into the computer to install something, etc) |
| 11:22.26 | Dave | heh |
| 11:22.48 | Weiss | at worst it's the same as the life i got out of the Samsung PoC that it's replaced |
| 11:23.02 | Dave | wow |
| 11:23.15 | Dave | that sounds dubious, since everything is better than the freerunner :p |
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| 11:23.28 | Weiss | oh, you'd be surprised.... |
| 11:23.28 | Dave | works more reliably, anyway |
| 11:23.37 | Dave | :D |
| 11:23.45 | Dave | that crappy, huh? :P |
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| 11:24.18 | Dave | ECRAVEN |
| 11:24.18 | pabs3 | yay FSO, had to reboot to hang up a call |
| 11:24.22 | Weiss | four years old, so the battery was pretty much as dead as it could be. it'd claim 60% battery then die the instant you connected a call. REALLY annoying |
| 11:24.26 | Dave | pabs XD |
| 11:24.54 | Dave | Weiss, batteries are rated at around 1yr (if that) |
| 11:25.00 | Weiss | and it always had a bug where the screen would stay black after hanging up a call, about 40% of the time (sound familiar?) |
| 11:25.04 | Dave | you should have replaced it long ago, fool |
| 11:25.08 | Weiss | hehe |
| 11:25.16 | Dave | I wish my screen stayed black |
| 11:25.27 | Dave | it always illuminates, blinding you when you hang up a call |
| 11:25.32 | Dave | really uncool |
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| 11:26.27 | Dave | Then again, the vibrator on my phone is so powerful it could be used as a fucking paddle to difibrillate someone :P |
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| 11:29.21 | Weiss | mmm... running mutt on OM via SSH |
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| 11:31.01 | viq | Weiss: where did you get mutt from? |
| 11:31.12 | Dave | :D |
| 11:31.19 | Weiss | viq: not running locally, but on another computer via SSH |
| 11:31.23 | Dave | wiess, the best way to check your mail? :P |
| 11:31.27 | Dave | wtf? |
| 11:31.31 | Dave | -_- |
| 11:32.31 | Weiss | well.. it's certainly A way to check you mail... |
| 11:32.56 | Weiss | a little eye melting perhaps. i hope my eyesight stays good enough to pull it off... |
| 11:32.59 | Dave | slaps Weiss around a bit with a large dropbear |
| 11:33.04 | viq | Weiss: so you're using OM to ssh to another box and run mutt there? |
| 11:33.09 | viq | hah |
| 11:33.14 | Weiss | viq: yep, less impressive.. |
| 11:33.19 | Dave | viq, yeah, sounds pretty roundabout, huh :p |
| 11:33.44 | viq | Well, the most doubts I have about is the keyboard |
| 11:33.46 | Dave | and you say your samsung was worse... hah! |
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| 11:34.10 | Dave | Potter, when is 4.4 coming out? |
| 11:34.38 | leinir | Dave: Most asked question this year, and he still can't tell us ;) |
| 11:34.54 | Dave | screw you! |
| 11:35.01 | Dave | It's my duty to ask him every single day! |
| 11:35.05 | Dave | Until it's done. |
| 11:35.11 | Dave | Even if he lies (to just me) :p |
| 11:35.17 | Dave | I'm watch you, leinir! |
| 11:35.21 | Dave | watching |
| 11:35.38 | leinir | *giggles* :) |
| 11:35.43 | Bill | Dave: with DNF prolly :P |
| 11:36.09 | Dave | im in ur freerunner, readin ur textz! |
| 11:36.50 | RedFlash | hmmm ... i'm getting a segmentation fault on debian when starting ssh server ... |
| 11:37.00 | Dave | leinir, oh, I'll give YOU something to giggle about, that's for sure... |
| 11:37.00 | zedstar | dave you likely to get more information from Harry Potter ;) |
| 11:37.11 | Dave | zedstar, I know XD |
| 11:37.20 | leinir | *purrs* ;) |
| 11:37.30 | Dave | leaves dirty messages on leinir's phone |
| 11:37.44 | lindi- | RedFlash: recompile with debugging symbols and use gdb please |
| 11:37.57 | Dave | Help lindi unravel the universe! |
| 11:38.03 | lindi- | RedFlash: or use gdb with the unmodified binary first actually |
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| 11:43.43 | Dave | Someday, I think I'd like to debug you, leinir :p |
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| 11:47.12 | Dave | Oh no, I have one new message! |
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| 11:49.38 | RedFlash | lindi-: ok .. will try debbung .. i was using a apt-get install binary |
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| 11:52.10 | emacsen | Dave and leinir have an odd sexual tension funneled through a smartphone |
| 11:52.25 | Dave | â |
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| 12:12.19 | RedFlash | hi, somebody knows how many pixels the top bar on OM 2008 uses ? |
| 12:12.47 | apollo13 | why were the downloads for fso3 removed? |
| 12:13.07 | Dave | What downloads? |
| 12:13.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | ~seen kdean |
| 12:13.16 | apt | i haven't seen 'kdean', Kamping_Kaiser |
| 12:13.16 | apollo13 | uImage + rootfs |
| 12:13.18 | Dave | from? |
| 12:13.22 | apollo13 | Dave: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ |
| 12:13.26 | Dave | oh |
| 12:13.28 | apollo13 | the were there yesterday |
| 12:13.30 | Dave | that was never there? |
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| 12:13.33 | Dave | they were? |
| 12:13.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | sigh. :/ |
| 12:13.37 | Dave | I thought they were empty |
| 12:13.41 | Dave | What's up, Kamping Kaiser :D |
| 12:13.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | Dave, hey :D |
| 12:13.48 | apollo13 | Dave: they were, yeah, I have them locally |
| 12:14.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | i havent seen kdean[01?] for a while, i'm wondering how hes going |
| 12:14.28 | Dave | maybe his openmoko at him? :\ |
| 12:14.36 | Dave | Well, hopefully not, but best of luck to them :D |
| 12:17.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh well, hopefully i'll bump into him soon. |
| 12:17.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | he had a bunch of projects i'd be interested in following up on |
| 12:24.04 | shoragan | apollo13, there was a kernel bug, we're currently building new images |
| 12:27.34 | TooManyTunnels | fso3 has been removed since there was a showstopper found. |
| 12:27.52 | TooManyTunnels | resume completely broken |
| 12:28.55 | Weiss | RedFlash: configurable via Illume settings, but i found crashiness when configuring... |
| 12:30.15 | Tanuva | TooManyTunnels: it does not even suspend for me *g* |
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| 12:35.57 | igor321 | is the showstopper bug fixed now? when can we expect fso ms3? |
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| 12:37.23 | |FiLiP| | igor321: if i understood correctly, that bug was already fixed, but something went wrong merging different repo's (git) |
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| 12:52.12 | KenSentMe | Does anyone if and how i can use my cigarette lighter thingy in my car to charge the freerunner? |
| 12:52.58 | beni_ | KenSentMe: i want to try my TomTom charger since it has also a mini-usb adapter attached |
| 12:52.59 | Tig| | KenSentMe: yes you can get USB chargers that go in car lighter sockets |
| 12:53.06 | beni_ | but i dont know if the voltage is okay |
| 12:53.30 | Tig| | I would think it would be if it is USB spec, if you have a multimeter handy you could check it |
| 12:54.15 | Tig| | one thing to remember is that it will only charge at the slow rate (ie like it is when connected to your computer) as the FR will not be able to negotiate with the charger to provide more power |
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| 12:55.00 | toggles_w | did anyone figure out the opkg signature issues with fso r3? |
| 12:55.23 | KenSentMe | Tig|, that's not a big problem for me. I just dont want my freerunner with navit running to be out of power when i drive out of my street |
| 12:56.36 | Tig| | fair enough :) |
| 12:56.46 | Tanuva | toggles_w: probably there simply are no signatures available |
| 12:57.00 | toggles_w | Tanuva: thats the issue, any way to get around it? |
| 12:58.02 | Tig| | signatures in opkg? there aren't on any of the feeds as far as I know at the moment, just ignore the error messages |
| 12:58.06 | beni_ | Tig|: as it haves a USB connector, i strongly think that it is USB spec. |
| 12:58.26 | beni_ | is there a risk to hurt the freerunner if it is providing more than 500mah? |
| 12:58.31 | Tanuva | toggles_w: no, why do you need sigs so badly? |
| 12:58.38 | Tig| | beni_: that is what I would think too, have a look on the wiki / mailing lists see if anyone else has tried it |
| 12:58.46 | beni_ | kk |
| 12:59.11 | toggles_w | Tanuva: maybe i don't, never used opkg before, but i figured i could update, then `opk install sdl` and it would workd but i keep getting |
| 12:59.16 | toggles_w | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install sdl |
| 12:59.16 | toggles_w | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 12:59.29 | gromez | toggles_w: libsdl |
| 12:59.42 | gromez | opkg list | grep libsdl |
| 12:59.48 | gromez | for the exact package name |
| 12:59.52 | toggles_w | gromez: rock on |
| 12:59.55 | Tanuva | toggles_w: the missing sigs don't stop opkg from working, as they neither do with apt/yast/whatever :) |
| 13:00.11 | TooManyTunnels | probably called libsd0 |
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| 13:00.33 | Mononoke | but it does not mean that it would be nice to clean up repo and fix missing sigs |
| 13:00.38 | Tanuva | keyword apt: does anyone know how I may fix this: http://pastebin.ca/1199958 ? |
| 13:00.45 | gromez | libsdl-1.2 something like that, didn't have the FR with me |
| 13:00.55 | toggles_w | gromez Tanuva Tig| - Thanks people! |
| 13:01.14 | gromez | toggles_w: np ;) |
| 13:01.16 | Tanuva | Mononoke: but that would require you to fix expired sigs etc, its a lot of work imho |
| 13:01.27 | Tig| | :) no problem :) |
| 13:01.42 | Mononoke | Tanuva: someone will have to do it, sooner or later |
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| 13:02.43 | beni_ | Has the freerunner some protection for overcurrent? |
| 13:02.52 | beni_ | or can i damage it if i apply to much charge? |
| 13:03.29 | dns53 | the charger is 1 amp, i would not go much more than that |
| 13:04.44 | mjr | current is not "pushed", it's "pulled" |
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| 13:05.11 | Weiss | however, too many volts on the USB port -> broken |
| 13:05.18 | mjr | indeed |
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| 13:06.47 | OdyX | just went out with it's FR to map the streets around his place for OSM with tangogps, without any crash ;) |
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| 13:07.27 | KenSentMe | I found an usb car charger with 5v/1a output. Would that be ok with the neo? |
| 13:08.07 | Weiss | OdyX: a colleague at work was impressed with the accuracy of my FR's GPS - i.e. that it could tell which side of the street i was on |
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| 13:08.20 | OdyX | indeed Wei ! |
| 13:08.21 | beni_ | tomtom charger specs |
| 13:08.22 | OdyX | indeed Weiss ! |
| 13:08.23 | beni_ | Tech Spec's: * CE APPROVED* 5 VOLT DC* 12V/24V* Overcharge protection* |
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| 13:08.50 | OdyX | Weiss: it asks the question of accuracy... I mapped while walking on the _side_ of the street ... |
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| 13:09.22 | beni_ | http://vowe.net/archives/007462.html |
| 13:09.48 | OdyX | beni_: if it is _normal_ USB, it should not "hurt" the FR... |
| 13:09.52 | Weiss | OdyX: yes.. i wonder if the whole of OSM is created with a slight shift because of that. i guess they idea is that it's the average of many traces, that would go away |
| 13:09.57 | KenSentMe | http://www.hama.co.uk/portal/searchSelectedProduct*NO/articleId*140752/action*2563 |
| 13:09.58 | OdyX | but I can't tell if it'll charge at 500mA |
| 13:10.15 | OdyX | Weiss: hand-mapping afterwards... |
| 13:10.17 | Weiss | beni_: without USB negotiation stuff or the magic resistor, it'll only "charge" at 100mA, which isn't enough to actually charge it up |
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| 13:12.38 | zogg_ | Any special way to resume broken opkg upgrade ? |
| 13:14.56 | KenSentMe | Would the hama i mentioned be of any good? |
| 13:15.39 | kainspb | nfjymghmh--[[[lplppl |
| 13:15.50 | kainspb | sorry |
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| 13:22.52 | Tanuva | there seems to be something srsly broken on my mokodebian... is there a way to check if an sd card stores information correctly (if the memory isn't corrupted)? |
| 13:23.09 | Tanuva | hm. could write a 3gig file to it and check the md5sums |
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| 13:25.19 | jonsmith1982 | how do you find out the hardware version of a GTA02? |
| 13:26.03 | beni_ | KenSentMe: i would say yes. |
| 13:26.20 | beni_ | i think if it can power a tomtom, it can power a frerruner as well. |
| 13:26.25 | feitingen | it seems when i am copying stuff over the usb bus, the bluetooth bus gets failures |
| 13:26.28 | beni_ | i think i give that a try as soon as i got a car. |
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| 13:26.45 | ieatlint | jonsmith1982, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Finding_hardware_revision |
| 13:26.49 | KenSentMe | beni_, i ordered it. I can report later if it really works |
| 13:26.57 | feitingen | i thought those buses were completely unrelated in the hardware, but are they? |
| 13:27.22 | Dave | Ieatmoko |
| 13:27.38 | ieatlint | hey dave |
| 13:27.55 | Dave | Where's my next bus, bitch!? :P |
| 13:28.00 | ieatlint | Dave, take a look at liblate... massively changed and most of the code is documented |
| 13:28.03 | Dave | I needed liblate last night |
| 13:28.07 | Dave | sweet |
| 13:28.10 | Dave | documentation!? |
| 13:28.30 | jonsmith1982 | ieatlint, thanks. |
| 13:28.35 | ieatlint | yeah, in the *c files, each function has a comment preceeding it explaining its purpose, input, and output |
| 13:29.01 | ieatlint | there is another push coming to it soon (won't break the api though) |
| 13:29.13 | Dave | woohoo |
| 13:29.20 | Dave | haha clate |
| 13:29.27 | Dave | wow |
| 13:29.31 | ieatlint | ignore clate.. |
| 13:29.35 | Dave | more like flate :P |
| 13:29.47 | Dave | yeah yeah |
| 13:29.48 | ieatlint | i need to delete it |
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| 13:29.51 | Dave | D: |
| 13:29.55 | Dave | but it's soooooo coooooooool |
| 13:30.05 | Dave | well, nostalgia aside, it's a piece of crap :D |
| 13:30.11 | Dave | though yeah, cool |
| 13:30.11 | ieatlint | lol |
| 13:30.16 | Dave | I have to create a database again |
| 13:30.21 | Dave | or try to, anyway |
| 13:30.26 | ieatlint | mkdb may not compile... i dunno, i forgot to test it when i did the massive update :P |
| 13:30.26 | Dave | then I can interface with it |
| 13:30.30 | Dave | oh great |
| 13:30.33 | ieatlint | would be a very easy fix though |
| 13:30.35 | Dave | fucking massive updates :D |
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| 13:30.39 | Dave | I like your style ;p |
| 13:30.58 | ieatlint | my style consists of secluding myself with pizza and beer and seeing what happens |
| 13:31.06 | Dave | It's like, fuck revisions, we just raised the version overnight! :D |
| 13:31.16 | Dave | ieatlint, not bad eh :P |
| 13:31.21 | ieatlint | sometimes, i get results by taunting the hidden room of chinese people i have to write code in exchange for food |
| 13:31.29 | Dave | haha |
| 13:31.36 | Dave | at least they don't chain you to your desk |
| 13:31.43 | Dave | poor chinese kids |
| 13:31.45 | Dave | :P |
| 13:32.07 | ieatlint | hey, for the greater good... |
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| 13:41.18 | zogg_ | obviously opkg wont return back to upgrading whats left after reboot (and broken upgrade). |
| 13:42.04 | zogg_ | the Brain tells me It has seen statement somewhere in wiki that said opkg Should manage to return broken upgrade. |
| 13:44.38 | zogg_ | bleh, Reflash! :| |
| 13:45.46 | Tanuva | strange. debian doesn't even find it's own init on the sd card anymore but fsom3/tgps reads map data from it without errors :/ |
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| 13:56.29 | Dave | hah |
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| 13:58.02 | Tanuva | DAVE! |
| 13:58.06 | akus | i flash my freerunner but when i power it stop in "Starting kernel ..." what can i do ? |
| 13:58.48 | Tanuva | akus: did you also flash a kernel? |
| 13:59.08 | akus | yes |
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| 13:59.44 | feitingen | akus: did you build the kernel yourself? |
| 13:59.49 | Tanuva | I don't know if dfu-util does a checksum check, but you might try reflashing it |
| 14:00.03 | beni_ | why does nobody fix dfu-util? |
| 14:00.18 | akus | no feitingen |
| 14:00.20 | beni_ | it would be very great if we could make backups |
| 14:00.28 | beni_ | of the rootfs |
| 14:00.30 | beni_ | this way |
| 14:00.56 | Dave | Tanuva :p |
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| 14:01.06 | Tanuva | Dave: *g* |
| 14:01.10 | Dave | :D |
| 14:02.25 | jonwil | Are there plans for a better (i.e. more open) GPU to appear on a future OM phone? |
| 14:02.41 | jonwil | I know that the GPU as used on the GTA01 was no good because it wasnt open enough |
| 14:02.46 | Tanuva | jonwil: they seem to be evaluating a samsung chip, check the ml |
| 14:02.57 | jonwil | samsung GPU or SOC? |
| 14:03.12 | Tanuva | gpu I think, since they wanted to hire an opengl programmer |
| 14:03.45 | Tanuva | but maybe also soc if I read correctly, but I might be wrong on that |
| 14:04.29 | jonwil | yeah, now I rembmer, I think I read about that |
| 14:04.47 | jonwil | So basically GTA03 is planned to be GTA02 minus the GPU and with EDGE and a camera, is that correct? |
| 14:05.05 | Tanuva | ...and probably another graphics cip |
| 14:05.07 | Tanuva | *chip |
| 14:05.21 | jonwil | so GTA03 is going to have a GPU? |
| 14:05.22 | Tanuva | and I don't know anything about a camera... (I wouldn't really want it) |
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| 14:05.32 | Tanuva | afaik yes |
| 14:05.44 | Weiss | 6410 is a SoC, see http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=229&partnum=S3C6410 |
| 14:05.51 | mjr | jonwil, no |
| 14:05.59 | Tanuva | ho |
| 14:06.09 | Weiss | however, it makes absolutely no practical difference whether the GPU is on the chip or a separate chip |
| 14:06.12 | mjr | Tanuva, no gpu, same as gta01 |
| 14:06.21 | Tanuva | mjr: ah |
| 14:06.28 | Tanuva | so they want to do opengl on the soc? |
| 14:07.00 | pabs3 | :/ |
| 14:07.02 | mjr | jonwil, that's basically correct afaik, the original list |
| 14:07.08 | Weiss | Tanuva: what's wrong with that? |
| 14:07.14 | mjr | Tanuva, what about opengl? |
| 14:07.41 | Weiss | SoC just means you have one chip with your CPU, I/O stuff, memory etc: System On Chip |
| 14:07.43 | jonwil | ok so then GTA04 and beyond is where they are thinking about 3G, a usable GPU etc, right? |
| 14:07.53 | Tanuva | ah |
| 14:08.18 | Tanuva | Weiss: nothing wrong with it, I just want to understand that thing :) |
| 14:08.25 | jonwil | How will hardware specs of GTA03 (with EDGE) compare to those of 2G iPhone? |
| 14:08.47 | jonwil | or is it an apples to oranges comparison? :) |
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| 14:10.53 | Weiss | Tanuva: check the block diagram for the Samsung 6410 and the 32442 to understand :) |
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| 14:11.54 | akus | always "Starting kernel ..." |
| 14:11.57 | akus | :-S |
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| 14:12.59 | Weiss | akus: you're SURE you're using the right kernel, u-boot etc, and that you flashed it all (to the right partition of NAND) without problems? |
| 14:14.49 | Tanuva | hmm.. zhone still doesn't care about illume's dim/suspend settings |
| 14:14.54 | akus | Weiss, yes |
| 14:15.07 | akus | i try with another image |
| 14:15.41 | akus | this image of qtopia : http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=79 |
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| 15:06.19 | noother | Hey, I've got ~ 300mb of maps for tangogps on my sdcard. Now qpe is using most of the cpu with scanning the card at startup for a long time, which makes the phone mostly unusable. I read on lists.openmoko.org, that it's possible to force qpe to scan a certain directory only. How? |
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| 15:12.52 | Tig| | MS3 images are up! |
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| 15:13.12 | Tig| | hipitihop: FSO MS3 images are up :) |
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| 15:21.00 | wurp2|gone | Tig|: But do they work? I heard only about troubles with them yesterday :-( |
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| 15:21.33 | Tig| | wurp2|gone: someone mentioned on here that yesterdays were pulled due to a critical kernel bug the borked resuming |
| 15:21.46 | Tig| | I am flashing them now so fingers crossed :) |
| 15:22.06 | Tig| | rootfs flashing takes aaaaaaaaaaaaaages |
| 15:22.07 | wurp2|working | Tig|: that's great news, good luck! |
| 15:22.14 | wurp2|working | I always start it & walk off |
| 15:23.08 | Tig| | I had an odd thing recently I hope it was just a bug in MS2 but I could hear on the phone speaker whenever data went over the usb link |
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| 15:23.54 | Tig| | and now when I am flashing I can hear a noise about once a second |
| 15:25.56 | lambda | Tig|, maybe your phone is summoning UFO |
| 15:26.18 | Tig| | lambda: this is entirely possible, I blame the LHC :) |
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| 15:26.42 | lambda | claiming you can call alien is an extra iphone killer feature |
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| 15:27.04 | Tig| | actually that was quite handy as I knew it had finished flashing as the noise stopped :) |
| 15:27.16 | mwester | Silly people. It's the extra hidden data comms, the chips in your phone are just uploading their data on you that they have gathered to send to the government. |
| 15:27.16 | Tig| | right booting FSO M3 |
| 15:27.52 | Tig| | eek Gordon Brown will know that Remoko crashes on my Freerunner! |
| 15:28.00 | mwester | If the GSM was working right, they would just send it directly, but since the FR doesn't work so well, it has to use your USB to spy on you. |
| 15:28.12 | wurp2|working | Tig|: I don't see how it could be a bug in MS2... when you're flashing you're only running uboot |
| 15:29.03 | Tig| | wurp2|working: ah good point, but it has never done if before and I have not changed uboot, still on the one it shipped with |
| 15:29.35 | wurp2|working | Tig|: weird... I hope your hw isn't dying |
| 15:29.43 | Tig| | mee too |
| 15:30.22 | Tig| | wurp2|working: well fired it up, one of the menu options is Tichy, ooo I wonder what that is.... well whatever it is, it crashes :( |
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| 15:30.50 | wurp2|working | That was one of the reports from yesterday |
| 15:30.57 | wurp2|working | I think Tichy is a python applet framework |
| 15:31.27 | Tig| | it seems to be a bit quicker |
| 15:31.33 | gromez | Tig|: i launched it yesterday and it fails to import the Table python module |
| 15:32.10 | Tig| | gromez: what actually is it? |
| 15:32.19 | gromez | but i didn't find any package that match |
| 15:33.00 | gromez | Tig|: Tichy ? |
| 15:33.11 | Mononoke | is there call history in fso3 ? |
| 15:34.04 | bighead | Hi, i try to run 2008.8 and qtopia from microsd. Always have a kernel panic (no init found / unable to mount vfs). Any idea please |
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| 15:36.15 | lambda | bighead, check your uboot setupo |
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| 15:37.02 | GNUtoo | hello, how can i see the battery charge in command line or with the 2007.1 GUI... |
| 15:37.14 | GNUtoo | and I finally have my device!!! |
| 15:37.18 | Tig| | Mononoke: not that I can see |
| 15:37.30 | gromez | GNUtoo: try acpi -V |
| 15:37.38 | Tig| | I miss the old 2007.2 apps :( |
| 15:37.49 | Mononoke | I tries qtopia today, but imho it isn't that hacker friendly |
| 15:37.58 | Mononoke | and yeah 2007.2 was cool.. just slow :/ |
| 15:38.21 | bighead | My u-boot version: 1.3.2-moko12 |
| 15:38.33 | GNUtoo | gromez, what should I install to get the acpi program? |
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| 15:39.24 | gromez | GNUtoo: maybe it's not the right way to do it so... |
| 15:40.05 | GNUtoo | so what's the right way to do it? |
| 15:40.19 | bighead | lambda, what's the setup0?? |
| 15:40.20 | gromez | i don't remember if there is any /proc/acpi/ |
| 15:40.44 | GNUtoo | gromez, i think the openmoko uses apm...no? |
| 15:40.47 | hama | whatfor the modules-..-files? |
| 15:40.51 | hama | oj, ms3 |
| 15:41.13 | gromez | GNUtoo: yes, so forget what i've said :p |
| 15:41.38 | lambda | bighead, take a glance at the wiki |
| 15:42.06 | gromez | i didn't have the FR with me, i could not check |
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| 15:44.25 | wurp2|working | GNUtoo: You cat a /sys file. Searching the wiki should tell you... |
| 15:44.26 | lambda | you have to set your bootloader with some commands like that: |
| 15:44.28 | lambda | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.40 | Tig| | erk |
| 15:44.41 | lambda | (worked well for me) |
| 15:44.55 | Tig| | just a minor buggette in this image... |
| 15:44.59 | bighead | lambda, i see the wiki of openmoko.org. You say setup no setup0. Ok!! i try to change with setenv and saveenv the u-boot list, but always in a new run the changes dissapear |
| 15:44.59 | wurp2|working | Tig|: Does SMS work? Calling in & out, and wake from suspend on call? |
| 15:45.17 | GNUtoo | wurp2|working, ok thanks |
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| 15:45.27 | wurp2|working | bighead: Are you sure that you escaped (with \) the things that need escaping? |
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| 15:45.51 | Tig| | SMS does not seem to send, it recieves I think but zhone does not display the message in the list and using the option to exit zhone powers off the freerunner, not suspends, off |
| 15:45.53 | bighead | lambda, i run correctly debian |
| 15:46.04 | Tig| | but this is not a confirmed release image |
| 15:46.14 | bighead | with the install.sh |
| 15:46.19 | wurp2|working | Tig|: OK, waiting is |
| 15:46.39 | lambda | bighead, don't you laucn the ./install uboot script at the end ? |
| 15:46.44 | lambda | s/launch |
| 15:46.53 | Tig| | wurp2|working: seems to make and receive calls but could not test quality |
| 15:47.20 | wurp2|working | Tig|: I'll wait for the "official" MS3. Thanks for the info. |
| 15:48.10 | Tig| | worryingly it might be the "official one" as they have now put up the GTA01 images too |
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| 15:48.42 | bighead | lambda, the install.sh is launched from 2007.2 for installing debian |
| 15:48.53 | Tig| | right back in a bit |
| 15:48.55 | lambda | bighead, usually data writed into NAND are persistant and don't vanish unexpectedly |
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| 15:49.14 | lambda | bighead, it doesn't matter |
| 15:50.25 | bighead | lambda, yes saveenv end with no errors but in the reboot there are no changes |
| 15:50.28 | GNUtoo | wurp2|working, i don't find this file...there is still the apm command but it doesn't tell you the remaining battery while charging...so i'll disconnect it in order to see it |
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| 15:50.55 | wurp2|working | GNUtoo: I don't think you can see remaining life while charging |
| 15:51.18 | gromez | GNUtoo: http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/batmon/ could be a solution |
| 15:51.19 | bighead | debian run ok, 2008.8 and qtopia say kernel panic. Why?? |
| 15:51.20 | GNUtoo | wurp2|working, oops...deconnecting it also deconnects ssh...i'll change keyboard first |
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| 15:52.03 | GNUtoo | gromez, ok i'll try it...thanks |
| 15:52.23 | lindi- | bighead: are you using same kernel? |
| 15:52.32 | gromez | GNUtoo: check the first lines of batmon.py, there are some /sys/devices/ |
| 15:52.53 | GNUtoo | gromez, ok thanks...i had the intention of reading it before launching it... |
| 15:53.00 | gromez | eheh |
| 15:53.58 | bighead | lambda, i use the kernel distributed with the tar.gz |
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| 15:55.37 | bighead | lambda, in the 2008.8 i use the kernel distributed with the tar.gz of 2008.8 |
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| 15:56.54 | lambda | did you check your rootfs? |
| 15:57.31 | bighead | ok!! thx 4 help me. i need to disconnect. see you |
| 15:58.02 | lambda | he didn't extract the file system |
| 15:58.38 | lambda | and complain about dysfonctionment |
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| 16:10.02 | rooly|away | what should i search for for alsa volume control |
| 16:10.11 | rooly|away | i've seen it before on the wiki, but i don't remember where |
| 16:10.36 | Tanuva | what about alsamixer? |
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| 16:16.50 | donomo | FSO3 broke the GPS :( |
| 16:18.52 | alx___ | someone know why I can ssh on usb but not on wifi? |
| 16:19.23 | Weiss | alx___: because it's set up that way by default |
| 16:19.24 | Tanuva | donomo: no, you need to edit /etc/default/gpsd |
| 16:19.47 | Tanuva | donomo: although I don't see gps data on zhone, too, but tgps/navit works |
| 16:19.50 | alx___ | Weiss: how can i set ssh up on wifi too? |
| 16:19.52 | Weiss | alx___: there was a post about that very recently on OM-Community IIRC. you can change the configuration, but obviously you need to be VERY careful about security |
| 16:20.28 | alx___ | sure, without passwd, I havn't seen a tutorial to manage the ssh keys yet... |
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| 16:23.32 | flexd | hmm :( |
| 16:23.40 | flexd | Im sort of starting to regret buying a FR. |
| 16:23.49 | Weiss | flexd: ? :( |
| 16:23.52 | Tanuva | never did |
| 16:23.56 | flexd | It's just lying there on my desk, i dont have much time (or i dont make much time) to use it :s |
| 16:24.11 | GNUtoo | hello, I used 2007.1...with sd card in then I used a recent FSO from bearstech repository...and i've a sd-card corruption...is it the same problem than the partition table problem...dmesg logs includes things such as: mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command or glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x20 |
| 16:24.37 | GNUtoo | my SD card is a 4GB MMBGR04GUACY-NA |
| 16:24.44 | flexd | The software isnt ready for using it each day (as far as im concerned), and i just dont have time to develop anything on it like i planned to :/ |
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| 16:25.13 | Weiss | noone i've shown my FR to so far hasn't been impressed, including some friends who were getting ready to have a good laugh at my "OpenBrick" |
| 16:25.38 | flexd | it's a nice device, im not saying its not |
| 16:25.53 | Tanuva | my girlfriend doesnt understand why I spent 300⬠on a phone that cant actually do calls *g* |
| 16:25.53 | Weiss | flexd: shame... but i suspect at the rate things are moving at the moment you won't have long to wait until it's more ready... |
| 16:25.55 | ronny | Weiss: its software stack not even considered stable, so how do you expect any impression |
| 16:26.13 | flexd | im just saying i'd probably be better off with a simple flip flop phone that just dials atm :p |
| 16:26.19 | Weiss | ronny: you might think that, but nevertheless there is an impression.. |
| 16:26.21 | ronny | however i just switched to fdo3 as my main phone |
| 16:26.24 | GNUtoo | and all apps in the bearstech FSO segfaults but the physics app |
| 16:26.35 | ronny | eh fso |
| 16:26.42 | Weiss | ronny: maybe you didn't read what i wrote.. noone HASN'T been impressed.. |
| 16:26.50 | ronny | Weiss: oh |
| 16:26.59 | Weiss | Tanuva: i'm making and recieving calls just fine :) |
| 16:27.17 | ronny | hmm, im unhappy with the battery |
| 16:27.26 | Tanuva | Weiss: I tried once or twice, but it's not reliable enough and voice quality is baad :) |
| 16:27.30 | Weiss | a few hiccups occasionally perhaps, but i had worse hiccups with my last phone |
| 16:27.47 | Tanuva | and the neo often drops the call while switching gsm cells I think |
| 16:27.48 | ronny | Tanuva: calls are pretty good with fso3 |
| 16:27.56 | ronny | hmm |
| 16:28.16 | rooly|away | me too |
| 16:28.16 | GNUtoo | ronny, fso3 is out? |
| 16:28.34 | ronny | GNUtoo: its not announced yet, but the images are up |
| 16:28.42 | GNUtoo | ronny, where are they? |
| 16:29.12 | ronny | GNUtoo: just go where milestone 2 is, and replace the 2 with a 3 |
| 16:30.50 | GNUtoo | ronny, ok thanks |
| 16:31.27 | ronny | rnow i just have to figure why intrepid is refusing to fix my usb0 |
| 16:31.41 | ronny | cause i cant connect to my phone atm |
| 16:31.41 | wurp2|working | There still seem to be bugs in the image |
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| 16:37.03 | hama | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ is filled again... is this the right release now? |
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| 16:50.25 | GNUtoo | ronny, does the new image find init? |
| 16:51.30 | wurp2|working | hama: I don't think it's ready yet |
| 16:51.37 | wurp2|working | hama: People are still reporting problems |
| 16:52.20 | GNUtoo | wurp2|working, ok so if it's not ready yet...what release should I use for my micro-sd card? |
| 16:54.51 | hama | wurp2|working: yes, i am testing now... |
| 16:55.40 | hama | but it looks nice and the basics seem to work till now :) |
| 16:56.00 | GNUtoo | so it boots? |
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| 16:56.36 | noother | is there any way to use folders on 2008.8? i installed task-openmoko-games, now my startscreen is full of icons -.- |
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| 16:57.47 | noother | i can create folders /home/root/.e/e/appshadow and they show up with a folder icon, but when I try to enter, it crashes |
| 16:57.52 | noother | +in |
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| 17:03.39 | GNUtoo | does the 2008.8 solve the sd-card corruption problem? |
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| 17:05.36 | drac2000 | Hi everyone |
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| 17:06.20 | drac2000 | how can you use screenshot on different application on OM 2007 ? |
| 17:06.41 | Weiss | GNUtoo: don't know myself, but check the mailing lists for information on the sd_drive (etc) parameters in /sys which you can alter. people have had different results for different values.. |
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| 17:07.37 | wurp2|working | hama: You can send & receive SMS? |
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| 17:08.43 | drac2000 | does somebody kn ow please |
| 17:09.05 | drac2000 | how can you use screenshot on different application on OM 2007 ? |
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| 17:09.41 | drac2000 | i beleive it may be accessible from the command line but where and how to use Please |
| 17:10.00 | hama | wurp2|working: i ll try, moment plz |
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| 17:11.26 | ace_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.36 | ace_ | it seems there's no armv4t anymore on that host |
| 17:11.45 | ace_ | where's it gone off to? |
| 17:11.59 | Tanuva | downloads.om.org I think |
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| 17:13.06 | bove | how do I check battery level? |
| 17:13.29 | ace_ | ah found it, thx tanuva, i wish things wouldn't change every 2 seconds |
| 17:13.44 | Tanuva | np *g* |
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| 17:15.23 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rd9e485cd7f30 10/odeviced/ (src/plugins/power/power.vala vapi/odeviced.vapi): |
| 17:15.23 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: sync power API with frameworkd |
| 17:15.23 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: builds with vala-svn now |
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| 17:17.24 | hama | wurp2|working: seding sms seems to fail... now waiting for a sms... |
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| 17:18.25 | fredrin | what is this file good for: modules-2.6.24+r5+gitr1+ca19d156400f817960efe0d14680324b2ea34171-r5-om-gta02.tgz from http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ |
| 17:19.18 | mac2k | hama: i sent an sms lsatnight with the broken version of ms3 without a problem |
| 17:20.52 | hama | hmm, seems like the new release is broken here with sms-stuff... non sms sending/receiving here with the new release |
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| 17:21.26 | hama | mac2k: u still have the files? |
| 17:22.52 | hama | mac2k: me mean the kernel&uimage-files... |
| 17:24.08 | drac2000 | how can you use screenshot on different application on OM 2007 ? |
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| 17:25.30 | mac2k | hama: yes i still have the files |
| 17:25.51 | hama | mac2k: can you send them to me? |
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| 17:27.16 | akus | how can i update qtopia ? |
| 17:29.15 | mac2k | hama: i'm uploading, this can take a few min |
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| 17:29.58 | hama | mac2k: thanks a lot m8 :) |
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| 17:38.12 | Dave | bwahahaha |
| 17:38.18 | Dave | It's meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelting |
| 17:39.30 | bove | sry if this sound stupid, but I just got my Freerunner and can figure out how to write slashes, which makes it seemingly impossible to set up anything, networking included |
| 17:39.51 | bove | "can't" that is |
| 17:40.43 | zash | bove: look up how to switch keyboard or -layout |
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| 17:42.36 | GNUtoo | Weiss, ok thanks |
| 17:43.37 | bove | i can't find any info for 2007 |
| 17:44.01 | wurp2|working | bove: SwitchingKeyboards on the wiki |
| 17:44.12 | wurp2|working | I think there's a _ between the words |
| 17:44.15 | hama | bove: 'cd ..' and u can past© a slash... |
| 17:45.15 | hama | bove: as a quick workarround for first test... |
| 17:45.47 | bove | thanks |
| 17:46.16 | Dave | Hello mister wurp |
| 17:46.48 | wurp2|working | Howdy Dave |
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| 17:57.17 | Tanuva | mickey announced fsom3 10mins ago |
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| 18:01.37 | wurp2|working | Tanuva: Is it the same one that Tig| & hama can't send/receive smses on? |
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| 18:03.03 | Kensan | wurp2|working: no, that's been fixed. I think Tig| got hold of an early release which got drawn back yesterday because of these issues. |
| 18:03.14 | hama | wurp2|working: why use sms? write a letter instaed! its much more romantic :P |
| 18:03.47 | wurp2|working | Kensan: great news, thanks |
| 18:04.03 | hama | Kensan: no, its the current release from: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ |
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| 18:04.28 | wurp2|working | Anyone know if MinhHaDuong is on IRC? I'd like to thank him for posting a 2007.2 review :-) |
| 18:04.35 | hama | Kensan: cant send/receive sms |
| 18:04.56 | Kensan | hama: oh ok |
| 18:05.25 | Tanuva | wurp2|working: I even sent 3 sms from the first image yesterday evening |
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| 18:05.49 | wurp2|working | And ask why the latest recommended review is from 4-21 when the 7-12 image review looks good |
| 18:06.13 | wurp2|working | Tanuva: I thought the 2nd image had been reported worse than the 1st image for sms... |
| 18:06.57 | Tanuva | I'm flashing the new one currently, cannot test yet |
| 18:09.02 | drac2000 | " I'd like to thank him for posting a 2007.2 review " |
| 18:09.09 | drac2000 | Where is that review please |
| 18:09.14 | drac2000 | can we access it |
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| 18:30.41 | Tanuva | hmm... suspend/resume works, but suspending not with the powerbutton, just apm -s... |
| 18:30.50 | Tanuva | and therefore it wakes from every cell change |
| 18:32.12 | mac2k | i can suspend using the powerbutton with the current ms3 image |
| 18:33.17 | Tanuva | nothing happens for me, dmesg doesn't say anything... |
| 18:34.08 | mac2k | hold it for 3 seconds |
| 18:34.24 | Tanuva | yay :D |
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| 18:34.38 | Tanuva | thats magic.. *g* |
| 18:34.40 | snp | anyone know of a good stand-alone charger? Forgot my fr running yesterday :( |
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| 18:38.15 | wurp2|working | snp: Any motorola mini usb a charger should work fine |
| 18:39.02 | snp | wurp2|working: then why isn't the one shipped from openmoko work? I drained the battery completely... |
| 18:39.29 | wurp2|working | snp: It should work... |
| 18:39.57 | wurp2|working | snp: on the gta01 you have to remove the battery for 5-30 seconds to get the gsm to stop draining power |
| 18:40.01 | snp | wurp2|working: do I need to charge it for a couple of min before booting or should it work directly? |
| 18:40.01 | wurp2|working | Dunno about the FR |
| 18:40.02 | snp | gta02.. |
| 18:40.23 | snp | I will try it |
| 18:40.29 | wurp2|working | snp: I thought the FR was supposed to boot with nothing but battery power, at least on the official charger |
| 18:40.52 | snp | usually it's 30 seconds on mobile phones where they poll the cells |
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| 18:41.22 | snp | maybe I'm just doing it wrong then..... |
| 18:41.35 | wurp2|working | snp: I always see the 30 second #, but I just pull mine for like 5 seconds, and it always charges fine after that |
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| 18:41.47 | snp | ok |
| 18:41.49 | snp | thanks |
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| 18:43.43 | snp | well it booted now, but I had to boot from NOR(AUX then power button). |
| 18:44.09 | snp | but will this only work with external or will it work with the usb cable from my computer as well? |
| 18:44.24 | wurp2|working | It should work fine either way |
| 18:44.30 | wurp2|working | computer running linux? |
| 18:44.32 | snp | good to hear |
| 18:44.56 | snp | mac on this laptop |
| 18:45.16 | wurp2|working | windows won't tell devices high speed charge is available unless you go through the device recognition sequence |
| 18:45.34 | snp | :( |
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| 18:46.13 | snp | but I'm surprised, I updated u-boot, kernel, rootfs on my work Linux box to Om2008.08, everything works really good. No problems with calls, sms or anything |
| 18:46.34 | snp | surprised in a way that the wiki seems to get you the impression that it has a lot of issues |
| 18:46.51 | wurp2|working | snp: that is surprising :-) |
| 18:46.57 | wurp2|working | How long have you been using it? |
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| 18:47.57 | snp | well I tried it for like a day and got around 10 calls on it and talked for a while |
| 18:48.02 | snp | got it earlier this week so |
| 18:48.10 | mwester | snp probably flashed one of the recent updated 2008.8 images, not the earlier ones. The original one wouldn't even register on the GSM network. |
| 18:48.12 | Pjj | for stability/usuablity 2007.2 or 2008.8 ? |
| 18:48.22 | snp | mwester: I took the 2008 |
| 18:48.34 | snp | correction: 2008.8-update |
| 18:49.05 | snp | but didn't get wifi working on it even though I edited the wpa_supplicant.conf as should |
| 18:49.08 | wurp2|working | Pjj: straight Qtopia :-) |
| 18:49.13 | wurp2|working | Pjj: or fso |
| 18:49.21 | mwester | Yeah, it's gotten a lot better. It had to, it's hard to imagine that it could have gotten worse. |
| 18:49.24 | wurp2|working | although dunno about fso ms3; jury is still out |
| 18:49.27 | snp | and it's a bit sad that you can't add a non-visible network in the UI. |
| 18:49.38 | wurp2|working | mwester: I've been surprised at how much worse it could get ;-) |
| 18:49.41 | snp | wurp2|working: fso ms3 = ? |
| 18:49.54 | wurp2|working | snp: freesoftware.org milestone 3 |
| 18:50.10 | wurp2|working | There was an announcement on the mailing list today for it |
| 18:50.15 | snp | ah |
| 18:50.27 | snp | thinks he should join it |
| 18:50.32 | Pjj | ok |
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| 18:50.52 | wurp2|working | snp: No need. I never read mine - too much crap was on there for quite a while. People will tell you here if something important is posted :-) |
| 18:50.54 | mwester | wurp2|working: I recall how I used to criticize 2007.2 --- but it has become the standard by which we measure the other images, and to date none have really surpassed it in any significant way (although I have high hopes for FSO milestone 3, which I'm about to test) |
| 18:51.04 | snp | wurp2|working: ;) |
| 18:52.19 | snp | is there anyway to configure alsa graphically on the device with 2008.8? |
| 18:52.28 | wurp2|working | snp: not afaik |
| 18:52.37 | snp | wurp2|working: ok |
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| 19:04.09 | Kero | what seems to be FSO3, is it now really FSO3 ? |
| 19:06.21 | Tanuva | its fsom3, after all |
| 19:07.06 | Kero | then I'll try it again :) |
| 19:07.46 | wurp2|working | Tanuva: How's sms now? |
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| 19:10.03 | Tanuva | wurp2|working: hmm... I just crashed the whole phone while typing it seems... |
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| 19:11.11 | wurp2|working | Tanuva: awesome, installing it now |
| 19:12.59 | GNUtoo | hello, I think i've messed up the sound...sound does work on the headphones but not anymore on the phone... |
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| 19:13.17 | GNUtoo | as on the phone i mean that from the phone to the headphones it's ok |
| 19:13.43 | GNUtoo | but on the speaker of the phone i do not hear anything when the headphones are not anymore plugged in |
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| 19:16.02 | wurp2|working | GNUtoo: it sounds as if the alsa configuration is not getting changed properly |
| 19:16.23 | GNUtoo | wurp2|working, yes...and I already rebooted...mabe i should flash the device... |
| 19:16.45 | wurp2|working | GNUtoo: You can make the phone part work by 'alsactrl restore -f /some/path/gsmhandset.state' |
| 19:17.01 | wurp2|working | But then headphones won't work until you manually change it :-) |
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| 19:18.42 | GNUtoo | wurp2|working, ok thanks I found the file |
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| 19:21.38 | wurp2|working | GNUtoo: you're welcome |
| 19:21.57 | GNUtoo | i think i will reflash because it doesn't work... |
| 19:22.04 | GNUtoo | I hope it's not hardware |
| 19:22.26 | wurp2|working | I doubt that it is |
| 19:22.33 | wurp2|working | I've never heard of someone having such a problem w/ hw |
| 19:25.22 | Tanuva | wurp2|working: a testsms arrived successfully, although zhone has ~1sec delay on all actions... the first m3 upload was much more responsive imho |
| 19:25.35 | wurp2|working | Tanuva: :-( |
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| 19:28.48 | Tanuva | wurp2|working: but thats only zhone as it seems, typing paths in tgps is as good as always |
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| 19:35.01 | lambda | hi guys |
| 19:35.08 | lambda | i have a 'sh: libgsmd-tool: not found' |
| 19:35.32 | Tanuva | wurp2|working: hm, do you also have all these "my-distribution" feeds in the opkg repositories? |
| 19:35.32 | lambda | and don't find any packages providing this library |
| 19:35.46 | Tanuva | this practice's really annoying, always having to update repo urls manually >.< |
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| 19:39.59 | mwester | lambda: That tool only exists on the (obsolete) 2007.2 image. |
| 19:40.37 | wurp2|working | Tanuva: I do not |
| 19:40.41 | lambda | okay thanks |
| 19:40.53 | wurp2|working | lambda: What image are you using? |
| 19:40.59 | lambda | fsoMS3 |
| 19:41.05 | wurp2|working | There is a similar tool for fso |
| 19:41.19 | wurp2|working | mickeyterm? mterm? something like that |
| 19:41.32 | lambda | i try to import SIM contact |
| 19:41.40 | lambda | with the addContact.py script |
| 19:41.51 | wurp2|working | lambda: Oh, that won't work on FSO anyway |
| 19:41.52 | lambda | sh: libgsmd-tool: not found |
| 19:41.57 | lambda | OK ;-) |
| 19:42.00 | wurp2|working | Because we don't have an interface to the FSO address book |
| 19:42.13 | wurp2|working | It could be adapted... |
| 19:43.20 | lambda | can i nevertheless use my contact file as a plain text for further copy/paste use |
| 19:43.39 | lambda | or just reading the content |
| 19:44.11 | wurp2|working | lambda: Yeah, if you write a simple script to submit the contact display AT command repeatedly |
| 19:44.41 | lambda | pretty hard for a hobbyist XD |
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| 19:49.15 | wurp2|working | lambda: If you can figure out what tool to use to submit the AT commands, you can see the AT cmd in the addContact.py script, and then write a shell script to do the actual commands |
| 19:50.23 | wurp2|working | something like "for a in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do for b in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do echo "ATBLAH$a$b" | libgsmd-tool; done; done > contacts.txt" |
| 19:50.44 | zash | what |
| 19:50.54 | lambda | ok |
| 19:50.56 | zash | for a in `seq 0 9`; |
| 19:51.06 | zash | or |
| 19:51.18 | zash | for n in `seq -w 0 99`; do blaha |
| 19:51.26 | wurp2|working | where ATBLAH is the command to tell the gsm to display sim entry # $a$b |
| 19:51.35 | str4nd | or just for a in {0..99}; do blabla; done |
| 19:51.57 | wurp2|working | zash: thx, I was sure there was a command to do that, but I didn't know what it was, and looking it up woulda taken longer than writing the script |
| 19:52.16 | zash | aha, {0..99} |
| 19:52.25 | zash | learned something new |
| 19:52.28 | wurp2|working | wtf does the {} thing do? Is it shorthand for seq, as . is shorthand for src? |
| 19:52.31 | str4nd | great :) |
| 19:52.40 | zash | wurp2|working: seems that way |
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| 19:53.02 | zash | but, if one needs it to be 01 instead of 1 seq -w would be better |
| 19:53.02 | str4nd | It's built in to the shell (bash, zsh..) |
| 19:53.26 | str4nd | {00..99} doesn't work? |
| 19:53.39 | str4nd | Ah, not in bash. |
| 19:53.40 | wurp2|working | str4nd: nope |
| 19:53.47 | wurp2|working | what else is there? |
| 19:54.26 | zash | wurp2|working: does that work the same way as expansion |
| 19:54.49 | zash | eg echo bla{0..4} |
| 19:54.59 | zash | oh, it did |
| 19:55.01 | zash | coul |
| 19:55.32 | cjb | str4nd: yeah, seq is much more portable. |
| 19:55.45 | cjb | (but I'd use {..} when writing code for myself) |
| 19:55.53 | peter__b | hi guys |
| 19:56.08 | cjb | you can also echo {a-f} |
| 19:56.15 | peter__b | is there something like opie-notes for fso ? |
| 19:56.28 | zash | cjb: no, {a..f} worked thou |
| 19:56.40 | wurp2|working | but {aa..ff} doesn't |
| 19:56.47 | zash | :( |
| 19:56.51 | wurp2|working | weird |
| 19:57.12 | zash | hm, {a..z}{a..z} maybe |
| 19:57.57 | wurp2|working | yep |
| 19:58.07 | str4nd | wurp2|working: But you can do {a..f}{a..f} |
| 19:58.08 | str4nd | yep |
| 19:58.26 | wurp2|working | Yeah, I didn't try {a..z}{a..z} |
| 19:58.32 | str4nd | (note to self: read the messages) |
| 19:58.35 | zash | but, {0..f} doesnt work :( |
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| 20:01.04 | wurp2|working | btw, to get 00-99, {0..9}{0..9} works, of course |
| 20:01.22 | GNUtoo | sound is working again...on ASU...i was frighten that the 3.5mm->2.5mm cable i bought today damaged the unit but it didn't |
| 20:01.35 | wurp2|working | Yay! |
| 20:01.39 | zash | seq -w 0 99 vs {0..9}{0..9} |
| 20:01.40 | GNUtoo | i made cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 20:01.50 | wurp2|working | Do you get good sound from your cable? |
| 20:02.00 | wurp2|working | I got the wrong kind of adapter, so I get mono :-( |
| 20:02.01 | GNUtoo | very bad...it's a bad cable |
| 20:02.23 | GNUtoo | i have to move it and push it till the end in order to get correct sound |
| 20:02.27 | wurp2|working | zash: `seq -w 0 99` vs {0..9}{0..9} |
| 20:02.31 | zash | :D |
| 20:02.35 | wurp2|working | GNUtoo: You may have the wrong kind too |
| 20:02.39 | zash | which is harder to type? |
| 20:03.06 | wurp2|working | hard to say |
| 20:03.17 | GNUtoo | wurp2|working, ok but it's written stereo on the box... |
| 20:03.20 | wurp2|working | I prefer the {} syntax, I think... |
| 20:03.27 | GNUtoo | s/it's/there is |
| 20:03.30 | wurp2|working | GNUtoo: There are two different 2.5 mm wirings |
| 20:03.47 | wurp2|working | One is motorola standard, I think, and one nokia |
| 20:03.57 | GNUtoo | wurp2|working, i've got the motorolla |
| 20:03.58 | zash | wurp2|working: but for like 000..999 seq would be simpler |
| 20:03.59 | wurp2|working | I don't remember which one the neo uses :-( |
| 20:04.09 | wurp2|working | zash: true |
| 20:04.10 | GNUtoo | wurp2|working, neo uses the motorolla |
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| 20:05.10 | zash | thinks the nokia plug is stupid |
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| 20:06.50 | zash | the motorola way makes more sense |
| 20:07.10 | zash | and apple's is the crappiest |
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| 20:17.53 | Seadog | hi I was just wondering if the next generation neo phone is expected any time soon or is it "safe" to order a freerunner? |
| 20:18.33 | TAsn | Seadog, thinking the same as you, i ordered mine a month ago ;) |
| 20:19.45 | Weiss | same as TAsn |
| 20:20.06 | Weiss | i wouldn't hold out much hope for a new model any time soon, given past track record.. |
| 20:21.48 | SpeedEvil | At least 6 months IMO. |
| 20:22.01 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, i think a lot more than 6 months. |
| 20:22.09 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 20:22.19 | Seadog | that's good then |
| 20:22.25 | wurp2|working | Not for me |
| 20:22.32 | wurp2|working | I'm not buying another neo until the next model |
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| 20:22.43 | TAsn | wurp2|working, why is that? |
| 20:22.43 | wurp2|working | But I agree, 6 months would be the absolute minimum |
| 20:23.14 | wurp2|working | TAsn: 'cause I want a cam with it, and the only thing I really care about in FR is the accelerometers |
| 20:23.48 | TAsn | fr has them ;0 and just buy a spy cam and connect via usb ;0 |
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| 20:24.28 | wurp2|working | Actually, if someone gets a nice mini cam going on the FR that would probably entice me to buy one |
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| 20:25.11 | Kero | for a real fso3 release, it shows much the same Emlightenment crashes as the 'release' I had yesterday... |
| 20:26.10 | Kero | seems to be triggered by registering to the GSM network... |
| 20:26.12 | Weiss | wurp2|working: you have a Neo1973? |
| 20:28.23 | slaxxin | GTA01 support (GL Hammerhead) |
| 20:29.25 | slaxxin | who has fso III running at the moment? |
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| 20:29.47 | nomeata | So, how has the milestone3 release been received so far? |
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| 20:35.29 | wurp2|working | Weiss: yeah |
| 20:35.55 | wurp2|working | The new neo hw looks like it's going to have UTMS or some other 3g, too |
| 20:36.19 | wurp2|working | I see people still talking about bugs in FSO MS3 :-( |
| 20:36.36 | wurp2|working | slow response, occasional crash |
| 20:36.42 | OdyX | there is no milestone 3 for now, no ? |
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| 20:37.04 | nomeata | Hmm. Do they have the bluetooth modules in the kernel now? |
| 20:37.33 | wurp2|working | OdyX: It's been announced... |
| 20:38.33 | OdyX | wurp2|working: where ? |
| 20:38.54 | OdyX | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/NOT_YET_ANNOUNCED .... |
| 20:40.15 | wurp2|working | OdyX: Are you on the devel mailing list? |
| 20:40.37 | OdyX | nope |
| 20:40.38 | OdyX | ;) |
| 20:41.05 | wurp2|working | Hrm, from the announcement: Grab a uImage and a .jffs2 for your device from |
| 20:41.05 | wurp2|working | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ when it's ready |
| 20:42.21 | OdyX | is already grabbing the jffs2 on his FR and had already yesterday :P |
| 20:43.30 | toggles_w | hows everyone's power on fsom3? my phone seems to chew the batetries |
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| 20:44.20 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.23 | wurp2|working | The "when it's ready" part gives me pause |
| 20:44.48 | slaxxin | no install? |
| 20:44.58 | wurp2|working | It's there |
| 20:44.58 | slaxxin | heres your sign |
| 20:45.13 | wurp2|working | But it was there before he sent the announcement, so I dunno why he needed to say "when it's ready" |
| 20:46.57 | torindel | OdyX: that image was deleted :P |
| 20:47.17 | torindel | there is new one -__-; |
| 20:47.35 | OdyX | note that yesterday's image was already really good |
| 20:48.15 | OdyX | (haven't tried telephony) but for OpenStreetMap'ping, tangogps rocks ! |
| 20:50.06 | torindel | OdyX: note it werent ;] |
| 20:50.16 | torindel | bugs in poweroff and sms ;] |
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| 20:51.55 | alx___ | someone know how to ssh on wifi? |
| 20:52.23 | alx___ | at least how to activate it, I'll try to secure it then use rsa keys |
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| 20:53.55 | wurp2|working | alx___: Once you have a connection working, you ssh just like you do with any other network connection... |
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| 20:54.26 | alx___ | wurp2|working: someone told me it was desactivated on wifi for security purpose (no passwd on root) |
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| 20:54.50 | Deubeuliou | What options do you usually use with mkfs.jffs2 ? I think that letting them to default causes some problems on the boot |
| 20:55.08 | alx___ | wurp2|working: oups, sorry, i'm in fantasyland :D |
| 20:55.26 | wurp2|working | alx___: Hmm... there should be an option in sshd that lets you choose what host ips it listens, if you're restricting it |
| 20:55.53 | Deubeuliou | I have built 2 jffs2 filzsystems and they both print a lot of error messages about length of things end jffs2 |
| 20:56.27 | alx___ | yes, don't know, when it wasn't working I asked here (and got the "no-ssh on wifi"), and now it's working :) thanks anyway |
| 20:57.06 | wurp2|working | yw |
| 20:57.29 | peter__b | is there a wa to make fso go to sleep after some time ? |
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| 20:58.14 | Seadog | grumbles about VAT upping the price of the freerunner by ~£40 |
| 20:58.48 | wurp2|working | peter__b: sleep 300 && apcmiapm -s |
| 20:58.52 | wurp2|working | sorry |
| 20:58.56 | wurp2|working | peter__b: sleep 300 && apm -s |
| 20:59.35 | wurp2|working | peter__b: But for what you're really asking, I don't think so, without writing a program to listen for dbus events & reset a timer |
| 21:02.45 | peter__b | is just wondering why the blank time from the illume configuration is working and the suspend isnt |
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| 21:08.32 | LionKMP | Hi, I have an enligthement taskbar at the bottom, with menu, desktop switch, in 2008.8. How to get a rid of that? |
| 21:08.42 | LionKMP | and I don't have battery and other icons on the top. |
| 21:09.47 | Seadog | just wondering how much other people paid for a delivered freerunner (preferably if you bought one in the UK)? I dunno if this site is too expensive or not! |
| 21:10.08 | TAsn | Seadog, where are you trying to buy? |
| 21:10.20 | TAsn | koolu is the cheapest i found |
| 21:10.23 | Seadog | truebox.co.uk |
| 21:10.32 | TAsn | Seadog, it's a bit pricy there |
| 21:10.34 | TAsn | though you get |
| 21:10.36 | Seadog | the point I got suspicious was when they added VAT to delivery >_> |
| 21:10.38 | TAsn | 2 yrs warrenty |
| 21:12.05 | LionKMP | qpe process takes large amount of my CPU, 70-80%. any ideas? |
| 21:12.19 | LionKMP | well, I should reflash probably. |
| 21:12.32 | Seadog | TAsn: meh I'd rather have more money than a warranty |
| 21:12.55 | TAsn | :) |
| 21:13.01 | TAsn | i liked koolu |
| 21:13.07 | TAsn | i ordered from them and they are cool. |
| 21:13.29 | Seadog | I want the world version right? |
| 21:13.50 | TAsn | that's what i got. |
| 21:13.55 | TAsn | *will have |
| 21:14.06 | TAsn | a friend of mine already got his. |
| 21:14.13 | TAsn | mine is due to arrive soon |
| 21:14.26 | TAsn | since i shipped it to my uncle which will bring it with him |
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| 21:15.07 | Seadog | TAsn: can koolu ship to the UK :/ ? |
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| 21:15.20 | TAsn | yeah. |
| 21:15.26 | TAsn | my friend shipped to the middle east |
| 21:15.37 | sledgeas1 | hello |
| 21:16.07 | Seadog | TAsn: oh I see, they put country _after_ state, so you had to do non-linear form filling in |
| 21:16.38 | TAsn | we don't have states here |
| 21:16.54 | TAsn | i put the state the same as the country |
| 21:16.55 | Seadog | well, it wanted state/provice, so I just put england |
| 21:17.03 | TAsn | good enough. |
| 21:17.22 | sledgeas1 | i have followed this straightforward replacing of kernel on SD for my debian: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#How_to_replace_the_default_kernel_with_a_recent_openmoko_kernel and after NAND writes Bad Data CRC/Error can't get kernel image! on bootup. how do i update the crc known to the FR? |
| 21:17.26 | TAsn | actually in england it is relevant, right? |
| 21:17.44 | TAsn | i mean, UK is the country |
| 21:17.58 | TAsn | and you have northern ireland and all of those parts of it. |
| 21:18.04 | Seadog | bah, shipping costs so much |
| 21:18.13 | Seadog | TAsn: well, they're all countries too |
| 21:18.14 | sledgeas1 | (that would be already GB ;)) |
| 21:18.33 | TAsn | Seadog, still less than truebox, isn't it? |
| 21:18.40 | TAsn | 60$ shipment, right? |
| 21:18.40 | Seadog | a tenner |
| 21:18.46 | Seadog | $70 |
| 21:19.00 | TAsn | reasonable |
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| 21:19.15 | Seadog | I may as well pay the extra tenner to get it way quicker and with the 2 year warranty |
| 21:19.35 | TAsn | Seadog, good enough. |
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| 21:24.54 | carrots | Does dri/opengl work on any x server on the fr yet? |
| 21:25.26 | carrots | Or will it ever, Isn't there something wrong with the 3d or something, I thought I heard that somewhere. |
| 21:26.57 | gromez | i totally crashed my NAND u-boot, someone have a default u-boot_env backup ? |
| 21:28.20 | Kensan | carrots: someone with access to the documentation og the gfx chip would need to write drivers. |
| 21:29.05 | carrots | Kensan, ahh, so it will be possible I guess at some point. |
| 21:30.05 | carrots | I just remembered hearing something in this channel that the gfx chip had something wrong with it and it would never be able to do 3d correctly. |
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| 21:40.11 | F4t | hey, how do i check which moko ahrdware i have? gta2v4 or gta2v5, etc... ? |
| 21:40.16 | F4t | hardware* |
| 21:40.28 | edistar | F4t: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 21:45.14 | sledgeas1 | my GPS (using zhone/debian, tango/agpsui, fso-gpsd, today's Om kernel and /lib/modules) does not detect any sattelites (0/0), but updates "GPS Time" from time to time, and nothing more.. where should i start from? thanks! |
| 21:45.42 | F4t | edistar, GTA02 revision 0360, what does it mean? |
| 21:46.05 | sledgeas1 | F4t: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_revisions |
| 21:46.13 | peter-b | <sledgeas1> how long did you wait ? |
| 21:46.19 | peter-b | outdoor ? |
| 21:46.24 | sledgeas1 | yes |
| 21:46.37 | F4t | ohh gta02v6 thanks... |
| 21:47.01 | sledgeas1 | already the second day the same : no sattelites ever detected, outdoors, waited for about ~10 minutes and waiting on.. |
| 21:47.28 | peter-b | strange |
| 21:47.39 | sledgeas1 | my FR's Date Code is 20080725, there is already a capacitor between 3rd and 4th SD reader's leg (got shipped like that), no SIM, debian running from SD (of course) |
| 21:47.46 | peter-b | did agpsui tell you something about satellites in range ? |
| 21:47.57 | peter-b | (the bar graph thing) |
| 21:48.01 | sledgeas1 | yes |
| 21:48.10 | sledgeas1 | so it means during a GPS Time update it had had something |
| 21:48.12 | sledgeas1 | but then lost again |
| 21:48.56 | peter-b | strange |
| 21:49.06 | sledgeas1 | now another 10 minutes passed -- still the same GPS Time stamp that of 10 before |
| 21:49.09 | peter-b | you tried with an other image like 2008.8 ? |
| 21:49.10 | sledgeas1 | yea, you tell me :) |
| 21:49.15 | sledgeas1 | no :$ |
| 21:49.17 | sledgeas1 | :) |
| 21:49.28 | sledgeas1 | this's where i should start from looks like... |
| 21:49.46 | peter-b | hasnt tried debian yet |
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| 21:50.08 | sledgeas1 | but debian here plays least role, as of kernel and /lib/modules are of today's 0m2008.8_update |
| 21:50.49 | sledgeas1 | so basically there are no debianish things 'intervening' in between gsp-client--fso-gpsd--kernel-module--gsp-hardware |
| 21:51.26 | sledgeas1 | s/gsp/gps/g ;) |
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| 21:52.09 | Dave | wooooooooooooooo |
| 21:58.32 | Dave | GAME |
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| 21:59.53 | alx___ | oups... I was linking /dev/rtc and /dev/misc/rtc, and I did it the wrong side :( any way to retrieve /dev/rtv? |
| 22:00.00 | alx___ | just a reboot? |
| 22:00.14 | alx___ | or copy of rtc0 ? |
| 22:00.29 | alx___ | I'm not sure ow /dev works... |
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| 22:04.18 | rafa | Dave: which GAME |
| 22:04.37 | edistar | rafa: duke nukem! |
| 22:05.01 | edistar | alx___: reboot should be ok |
| 22:05.09 | rafa | ah... great! ;-) I am now working in quake 2 so maybe we can more nice news |
| 22:05.13 | alx___ | thanks edistar |
| 22:05.24 | alx___ | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.os.linux.setup/2006-04/msg00443.html would work too? |
| 22:05.47 | rafa | edistar: the problem with quake2 is that it is too slow :( .. I will see that I can do |
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| 22:18.31 | Seadog | yay, ordered iit |
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| 22:19.29 | white_gecko | hello |
| 22:19.37 | white_gecko | i want to flash fso on a freerunner |
| 22:19.46 | Dave | go for it! |
| 22:19.53 | white_gecko | are these files the right one? |
| 22:19.54 | white_gecko | openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080911-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary |
| 22:19.54 | white_gecko | and |
| 22:19.56 | white_gecko | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/uImage-2.6.24+r5+gitr1+ca19d156400f817960efe0d14680324b2ea34171-r5-om-gta02.bin |
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| 22:20.08 | Dave | rafa: HUMILIATION! |
| 22:20.31 | rafa | Dave: WHY??! :) |
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| 22:20.49 | Dave | because you can't handle it! |
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| 22:22.51 | rafa | Dave: I will be able soon ... maybe :P |
| 22:23.22 | Chocky | bitches |
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| 22:24.02 | Chocky | oh yeah, did I mention? Om2008 blows chunks |
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| 22:27.21 | mmaestri | i want this kbd: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/6d4aebe4618fd531ab18c049158d780f.png |
| 22:27.38 | mmaestri | on fso |
| 22:27.52 | budfive5 | that looks tiny |
| 22:28.06 | Dave | Chocky |
| 22:28.07 | budfive5 | sure your fingers aren't too fat for that? |
| 22:28.10 | Dave | yeah it does |
| 22:28.17 | budfive5 | mine are |
| 22:28.17 | Dave | raster's keyboard is win |
| 22:28.21 | Dave | haha |
| 22:28.27 | Dave | fatty :p |
| 22:28.39 | mmaestri | Dave: which keyboard? |
| 22:28.41 | budfive5 | i haven't seen raster's kbd. can you take a screenshot? |
| 22:28.54 | Dave | the illume keyboard |
| 22:29.02 | budfive5 | are there shots somewhere? |
| 22:29.03 | Dave | it's available for 2008.8 as well |
| 22:29.04 | Dave | YES |
| 22:29.06 | Dave | EVERYWHERE |
| 22:29.14 | mmaestri | well, i guess that's the illume kbd with a theme |
| 22:29.23 | gromez | tango theme |
| 22:29.28 | budfive5 | i made some patches to matchbox-keyboard and to libfakekey and to the kernel touchscreen driver, so matchboxkbd is working well for me now |
| 22:29.29 | Dave | guango |
| 22:29.38 | mmaestri | yes, tango |
| 22:29.40 | Dave | good |
| 22:29.46 | Dave | budfive, even with your large fingers? |
| 22:29.47 | Dave | :p |
| 22:29.48 | mmaestri | but i couldn't make it work on fso |
| 22:29.57 | budfive5 | yep |
| 22:30.03 | Dave | :) |
| 22:30.18 | budfive5 | are you noticing that you have to push hard on the screen to make it register? |
| 22:30.30 | budfive5 | i patched the kernel last night to alleviate that quite a bit |
| 22:30.38 | viq | Hah, so there is the status bar, the icons of terminal, the keyboard... Wait, where is the terminal where you are supposed to be typing? ;P |
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| 22:32.15 | sledgeas1 | hello again |
| 22:33.30 | sledgeas1 | something's wrong with Om2008.8 usb networking: i cannot ping nor traceroute (commands simply halt infinitely, i have to relogin with ssh) nor anything out to the internet (i used DNS from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Configure_Default_Neo_DNS) |
| 22:33.35 | Seadog | has anyone tried nethack on the freerunner yet? |
| 22:34.14 | mmaestri | take a look at that: http://www.swypeinc.com/product.html |
| 22:34.31 | viq | I've been asked whether there's ADOM for it ;) |
| 22:35.43 | Dave | viq :o |
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| 22:44.21 | djbclark | ~/.~. |
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| 22:50.09 | fsadfsagsadf | help. Im stuck on a clean flash of 2008.8. Is it so that no terminal app is installed by default? |
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| 22:57.15 | white_gecko | hello |
| 22:57.27 | white_gecko | where can i find a water level for my freerunner? |
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| 23:48.58 | Infoport | AARRrrrggghh! Two and a half-days compiling SHR and it fails after task 5144 of 5148, :-( |
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| 23:50.16 | Infoport | '.../shr_image.bb' failed |
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| 23:50.59 | white_gecko | how can i intalla homescreen with clock an so on on my 2008.8 image? |
| 23:52.42 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 23:53.35 | kgoetz | Infoport: sorry, i laughed |
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| 23:53.58 | hipitihop | rwhitby, morning |
| 23:54.52 | Dave | afternoon |
| 23:55.47 | hipitihop | is fso m3 out ? |
| 23:56.00 | edistar | yes |
| 23:56.05 | edistar | hipitihop: check the ml |
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| 23:59.20 | white_gecko | how can i install the zhome screen of fso on my 2008.8? |
| 23:59.28 | torero | hello! anyone knows how to add an icon in the launcher for example to launch a python script? (om2008.8) |
| 23:59.40 | edistar | white_gecko: you don't want to |
