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| 00:06.30 | fredrin | rafa: how are things going? |
| 00:07.14 | fredrin | ups, i was going to aks the main man raster... |
| 00:07.24 | fredrin | raster: How are things going? :) |
| 00:09.18 | raster | pong! |
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| 00:09.58 | fredrin | ah, cool i'm waiting for that game ;) |
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| 00:14.15 | baird | Is there a blog/whatever post that walkthroughs using the Debug board? The wiki goes everywhere and is hard to follow. |
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| 00:23.34 | ljp | just the wiki |
| 00:23.43 | ljp | use the debrick one |
| 00:25.54 | baird | The Unbricking page assumes everything's been magically setup and configured as well. :/ |
| 00:27.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4639 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/ (4 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 00:27.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: ar6k-essid-one-and-32.patch: included that band-aid patch here so that I |
| 00:27.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: don't forget about it. |
| 00:27.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: hack-trigger-on-mmc.patch: switch GPB1 (blue LED) on when sending the |
| 00:27.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: mmc.core.trigger'th MMC command. This triggers a scope which then |
| 00:27.14 | CIA-22 | openmoko: records the message. |
| 00:27.16 | CIA-22 | openmoko: gta02-no-glamo-mmc.patch: prevent build failure when CONFIG_MFD_GLAMO_MCI is |
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| 02:44.04 | FxChiP | it just occurred to me |
| 02:44.05 | FxChiP | just now |
| 02:44.13 | FxChiP | someone should build a level program for the FreeRunner |
| 02:45.23 | FxChiP | Is getting rid of the two accelerometers planned? :/ |
| 02:47.48 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03charlie137 * r00670a92bdb5 10/src/applications/addressbook/groupview.cpp: [Addressbook] Shows a warning when we try to add a group that already exists. |
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| 02:59.01 | hipitihop_zzzz | can someone point T the latest nand u-boot image I have 1.3.2 but it seems 1.3.4 is available |
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| 03:02.58 | ieatlint | FxChiP, it's already been done... although there's a certain level of drift that basically means it's not practical as a tool |
| 03:03.09 | FxChiP | :( |
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| 03:04.06 | ieatlint | it's really just intended for relative movement and approx orientation |
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| 03:06.24 | FxChiP | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3274/2669363315_a2003c6010.jpg Assuming that's a Razr, I think the FR looks better |
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| 03:07.41 | ieatlint | they're shown next to eachother as a size comparison |
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| 03:19.52 | FxChiP | Even so |
| 03:19.58 | FxChiP | The FR's design is better to me |
| 03:20.01 | FxChiP | I love it more |
| 03:20.10 | FxChiP | Also, I want one with EDGE |
| 03:20.13 | FxChiP | And a camera |
| 03:20.14 | FxChiP | :P |
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| 03:25.49 | fen_ | i've finished isntalling and playing with the ASU install, safe to assume the wifi connection GUI doesn't work.. |
| 03:26.22 | fen_ | i've tried using wpa_supp but its giving me issues |
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| 03:56.59 | baird | Are you supposed to be able to write to the console serial port, via the debug board? I've checked the film cable insertion several times, but so far it's serial output only.. |
| 04:01.21 | rwhitby | baird: can you elaborate? |
| 04:01.41 | rwhitby | what mode is the phone in, and which device are you using on the host for communication? |
| 04:04.42 | baird | At the moment, it's in the regular multiuser state where it has a getty on /dev/ttySAC2-- kernel dmesg and the login: prompt are there, yet no input from my side (CR, etc.) appears. I've previously tried the uboot serial prompt, with no success either. |
| 04:05.30 | baird | (using "cu -l ttyUSB0 -115200" to access the serial) |
| 04:06.00 | rwhitby | I usually use minicom on ttyUSB0 to do it, dunno whether cu differs |
| 04:06.47 | rwhitby | I use ttyACM0 on the host to talk to u-boot console |
| 04:07.06 | rwhitby | then that goes away when u-boot boots the kernel |
| 04:07.24 | rwhitby | then I just ssh in on usb networking |
| 04:07.49 | rwhitby | but I guess you're looking for kernel output during boot before ssh is available? |
| 04:09.43 | baird | I'm getting the kernel output |
| 04:10.29 | rwhitby | note that ttySAC2 is shared with gsm or gps (can't remember which) |
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| 04:12.49 | baird | ahh.. gsm. It might be like the old Thinkpad 600E problem, where the two devices fight over the one com port.. |
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| 04:32.21 | playya_ | doh |
| 04:32.42 | playya_ | how can i disable all the locales? |
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| 04:36.05 | playya_ | got it |
| 04:37.04 | baird | downloads.openmoko.org doesn't have the lowlevel.bin files? |
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| 04:53.51 | weirdedout | Does anyone know of a way to reduce the size of the scrollbars in om2008.8? |
| 04:54.18 | weirdedout | by default they are so fat that they take up a lot of screen realestate. |
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| 05:12.11 | prjktdtnt | has anyone tested the FDOM image from the community list yet? I tried flashing to it but got kernel panics |
| 05:12.11 | Dave | Kry :P |
| 05:15.11 | iaindalton | What to-do list does OpenMoko use? Is it just a modified GPE-ToDo? |
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| 05:20.42 | rwhitby | there is not just one |
| 05:21.00 | rwhitby | (like all things in Openmoko) |
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| 05:21.43 | iaindalton | I'm thinking of getting one, since my Palm broke recently. I haven't found any screenshots of the todo list. Do you know of any? |
| 05:22.15 | rwhitby | iaindalton: it's not in a state to replace a palm yet |
| 05:22.16 | prjktdtnt | I'm really starting to love my openmoko, so far I've successfully tested 2 distros (2007.2 and 2008.8) |
| 05:22.24 | prjktdtnt | downloading qtopia for now |
| 05:22.31 | prjktdtnt | will test it tonight I think |
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| 05:23.49 | iaindalton | rwhitby: I had a really old Palm. I didn't use it heavily. What I need is a todo list I can take with me, and I'd like to take the occasional note. |
| 05:24.11 | rwhitby | qtopia on openmoko may well fit that bill |
| 05:24.18 | rwhitby | no syncing is available though |
| 05:24.48 | iaindalton | Do qtopia apps run on the desktop as well? I could rsync |
| 05:25.08 | iaindalton | I know someone has come up with a syncing solution for GPE to Evolution |
| 05:25.22 | iaindalton | It was for the Nokia N800 but I bet it's adaptable |
| 05:25.49 | iaindalton | So qtopia and gpe are the PIM suites on OpenMoko just like other linux PDAs? |
| 05:26.13 | rwhitby | pretty much - they haven't settled on one of anything |
| 05:26.52 | iaindalton | But it comes with something, right? |
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| 05:27.36 | prjktdtnt | I love this, I can go from kernel panic to usable phone in about 15 minutes :) |
| 05:27.50 | rwhitby | iaindalton: I don't think it does, no. |
| 05:28.10 | rwhitby | iaindalton: in fact, the next openmoko release is going to come with nothing other than an application installer |
| 05:28.32 | iaindalton | Oh, OK |
| 05:28.48 | prjktdtnt | rwhitby: I hope it comes with working WiFi too |
| 05:28.59 | rwhitby | prjktdtnt: hope springs eternal |
| 05:29.19 | rwhitby | based on current trac tickets, if they released today it wouldn't. |
| 05:29.48 | prjktdtnt | that's no good, brb break time |
| 05:29.52 | iaindalton | Who's the target audience? The average non-geek wouldn't like buying a phone they have to customize to use. |
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| 05:30.21 | rwhitby | it's still a developer phone. non-geek phone is *way* off into the future, imho. |
| 05:30.54 | iaindalton | OK |
| 05:31.21 | iaindalton | I don't know much about it. It sounds interesting, though. |
| 05:32.03 | rwhitby | it sure is |
| 05:32.53 | iaindalton | Anything specific that makes it more interesting than an N800 (other than GSM)? |
| 05:34.00 | playya_ | its nice and has a friendly community? |
| 05:34.14 | playya_ | everything is free |
| 05:34.27 | rwhitby | iaindalton: I have both - they are worlds apart as far as maturity goes |
| 05:34.43 | playya_ | me too |
| 05:34.48 | rwhitby | if you want to stay in linux application space, then both are free enough |
| 05:35.05 | rwhitby | if you're a purist, then neither is free enough ;-) |
| 05:35.18 | iaindalton | What do you mean, a purist? |
| 05:35.33 | rwhitby | if you prefer your PC's bios to be open source |
| 05:35.43 | rwhitby | and your hard disk firmware |
| 05:35.45 | iaindalton | Heh, I'm not rms |
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| 05:36.14 | rwhitby | n800 has lots more binary kernel modules than openmoko |
| 05:36.38 | rwhitby | and many system control userspace apps too |
| 05:37.20 | playya_ | a plus for OM: it uses bash instead of busybox |
| 05:37.39 | iaindalton | What about lifespan? Before I stepped on my 6-year-old palm, I found it quite usable. Will either of these linux handhelds hold out like that? |
| 05:37.53 | playya_ | but you have a scratchbox rootfs for the n8[10]0 |
| 05:38.03 | rwhitby | iaindalton: I use a many year old treo650 |
| 05:38.03 | iaindalton | OK, it needed a new battery, but I could have bought one if I had wanted to |
| 05:38.43 | rwhitby | the neo is physically quite robust. only time will tell whether the hardware is reliable |
| 05:38.52 | iaindalton | I like the Palm interface but I also like the fact that a linux PDA could run just about anything my computer can |
| 05:39.00 | rwhitby | (I have a gta02 that doesn't work, for instance) |
| 05:39.38 | SpeedEvil | Did you do anything to it? |
| 05:39.51 | rwhitby | iaindalton: I have not found a phone, free or otherwise, that comes anywhere near the treo650 as far as useability goes. |
| 05:40.05 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: nope, it's a suspected glamo wait victim |
| 05:40.34 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 05:41.32 | rwhitby | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-July/004097.html |
| 05:41.50 | iaindalton | rwhitby: That's where the fun part comes in. I think I'd make a better GUI designer than programmer, but I'm learning programming in part so I can bring better GUIs to Linux. Having used a Palm, I'd try my best to improve Linux PDA software. |
| 05:42.04 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: it hasn't booted for two week now - it used to be 50/50 |
| 05:42.24 | playya_ | iaindalton, are you one of the o-hand guys? |
| 05:43.12 | iaindalton | playya_: Considering I don't know what o-hand is...;-) |
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| 05:45.04 | playya_ | ok |
| 05:45.13 | iaindalton | Please, do enlighten me |
| 05:45.43 | playya_ | i just wrote a mail to iain from OH and wanted to ask if it works |
| 05:45.58 | playya_ | oh you are the new guy ;) |
| 05:46.38 | playya_ | OH is a lab of devs who did a lot of work for openmoko |
| 05:47.12 | playya_ | and maemo too |
| 05:47.19 | iaindalton | OpenedHand is one of the companies working on OpenMoko, right? |
| 05:47.54 | playya_ | and now intel acquired them |
| 05:48.05 | playya_ | yes |
| 05:48.21 | iaindalton | Is that a good thing or a bad thing? |
| 05:48.34 | playya_ | don't know |
| 05:48.50 | playya_ | i'm not working for them |
| 05:50.09 | prjktdtnt | iaindalton: looking from openedhand's website they do work on openmoko |
| 05:50.17 | prjktdtnt | http://o-hand.com/work/casestudies/openmoko/ |
| 05:50.44 | prjktdtnt | sean moss-pultz is quoted right on that page :) |
| 05:51.10 | iaindalton | OK. It just seems that sometimes when a startup gets bought up they get digested or something |
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| 05:53.18 | iaindalton | Didn't you say WiFi isn't working yet? http://labs.o-hand.com/ talks about a working WiFi driver. |
| 05:54.15 | playya_ | wifi is working |
| 05:54.24 | rwhitby | not out of the box |
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| 05:54.29 | playya_ | but you have to setup it on a shell |
| 05:54.40 | rwhitby | if you know how to drive wpa_supplicant, you can get wifi to work |
| 05:54.41 | iaindalton | Oh, OK |
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| 05:59.37 | rwhitby | hmm - opkg is screwing up: http://pastebin.ca/1198915 |
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| 06:01.29 | Zoup | where can i find om2008 git repository and or om2008 changelog ? |
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| 06:02.47 | prjktdtnt | ok so even after following the USB Networking tweaks to get DNS working I can only ping google by IP and not by name |
| 06:07.11 | playya_ | edited the /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 06:07.42 | prjktdtnt | playya_ yes, contains opendns servers |
| 06:08.12 | playya_ | can you ping them? |
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| 06:08.28 | prjktdtnt | yes |
| 06:09.12 | playya_ | tried any other add? |
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| 06:10.07 | prjktdtnt | tried yahoo.com and openmoko.com |
| 06:11.52 | playya_ | does nslookup www.google.com work? |
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| 06:14.07 | prjktdtnt | cannot resolve |
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| 06:15.14 | prjktdtnt | can't even resolve opendns itself |
| 06:16.26 | prjktdtnt | trying to traceroute to opendns right now |
| 06:16.33 | prjktdtnt | stopping at the 15th hop |
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| 06:20.34 | prjktdtnt | I think I'll wait until I get home in an hour or so and see if it could be an issue with the router |
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| 06:21.29 | iaindalton | prjktdtnt: Do your traceroute lines look like * * *? |
| 06:21.41 | playya_ | i got 13 hops |
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| 06:22.19 | prjktdtnt | iaindalton: starting at hop 15 yes |
| 06:22.43 | FxChiP | hey guys |
| 06:22.49 | prjktdtnt | the last responding hop is 157.130.201.130 |
| 06:22.55 | FxChiP | Can the FreeRunner do MMS? (pictures and stuff inline to SMS) |
| 06:23.02 | iaindalton | prjktdtnt: I get that starting at hop 2, so maybe opendns has a problem? |
| 06:23.20 | prjktdtnt | I would try 4.2.2.1 but they block ping and tracert |
| 06:23.26 | FxChiP | I'm just curious because I'm doing a (hopefully amusing) comparison |
| 06:23.32 | prjktdtnt | traceroute (sorry I support windows systems at work lol) |
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| 06:24.57 | prjktdtnt | ok i take that back, 4.2.2.1 can be traced |
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| 06:27.20 | prjktdtnt | nslookup fails for google and yahoo with 4.2.2.1 as the resolv.conf |
| 06:27.27 | prjktdtnt | wait |
| 06:27.29 | prjktdtnt | *slaps head* |
| 06:27.47 | prjktdtnt | nevermind I just figured out that I wasn't putting nameserver in front of the IP |
| 06:27.52 | prjktdtnt | feels like a moron |
| 06:28.14 | prjktdtnt | it's working now |
| 06:28.18 | prjktdtnt | thanks for the help |
| 06:28.21 | playya_ | :D |
| 06:28.24 | playya_ | np |
| 06:29.18 | prjktdtnt | now to run an upgrade |
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| 06:29.44 | prjktdtnt | i fail to believe that only angstrom has been updated but ok, whatever works |
| 06:30.50 | prjktdtnt | has anyone noticed an issue with GPS never getting a fix using locations package? |
| 06:31.43 | playya_ | you mean the sd card problem? |
| 06:32.12 | prjktdtnt | playya_ i'm not sure, I fired up the "locations" icon and it never gets a fix |
| 06:32.20 | prjktdtnt | i thought 2008.8 already had a fix in place for that |
| 06:32.32 | playya_ | are you outside? |
| 06:32.54 | prjktdtnt | at one point I was |
| 06:33.22 | prjktdtnt | first fix must be outside then? |
| 06:33.38 | SpeedEvil | It helps. |
| 06:33.42 | playya_ | you always might have problems using gps inside |
| 06:34.07 | prjktdtnt | playya_ and SpeedEvil: will/should it work in a car and without downloading the maps yet? |
| 06:34.28 | rwhitby | getting a first fix while moving is difficult too |
| 06:34.31 | playya_ | you can test it with the test app |
| 06:35.24 | prjktdtnt | playya_ test app? what is it called in OPKG? |
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| 06:36.05 | playya_ | öhm |
| 06:37.12 | prjktdtnt | with the umlaut? |
| 06:37.18 | prjktdtnt | on the o |
| 06:37.32 | zash | ö |
| 06:37.49 | prjktdtnt | awesome thanks |
| 06:37.52 | prjktdtnt | this stuff is so much fun! |
| 06:38.26 | playya_ | can't remember :( |
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| 06:39.13 | prjktdtnt | after removing installer from running procs opkg is complaining about the lock |
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| 06:39.52 | prjktdtnt | there we go |
| 06:39.57 | prjktdtnt | killed the packagekitd |
| 06:40.45 | prjktdtnt | openmoko-agpsui is what we were looking for |
| 06:40.50 | prjktdtnt | thanks :) |
| 06:41.38 | playya_ | right |
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| 06:42.32 | prjktdtnt | is there a good alternative to qtmail? |
| 06:42.52 | playya_ | there will be an alternative soon |
| 06:43.03 | prjktdtnt | awesome, guess I'll reinstall it so I can SMS |
| 06:43.31 | prjktdtnt | oh and is there any work being done to match names to numbers for local vs international numbers storage? |
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| 06:44.33 | prjktdtnt | and one last question before packing up for the night to head home from work, when you tap the power button so the screen blanks is that just manual suspend? |
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| 06:45.10 | FxChiP | Printing support? Bluetooth Multi-SIM Support? OH MY GODS |
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| 06:45.27 | FxChiP | you guys |
| 06:45.29 | FxChiP | and your ideas |
| 06:45.30 | FxChiP | are crazy |
| 06:45.32 | FxChiP | and I love them |
| 06:45.42 | FxChiP | And I want them to be in my phone. |
| 06:46.10 | playya_ | FxChiP, you can also open a bottle with you OM if you want |
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| 06:46.51 | FxChiP | heh |
| 06:46.57 | prjktdtnt | TTFN |
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| 06:59.38 | playya_ | will we be still alive in about 1 hour? |
| 07:00.09 | playya_ | CERN starts now the first experiment |
| 07:01.40 | ecraven | ;) black hole kills us all |
| 07:02.45 | mmontour | playya_: http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ |
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| 07:04.08 | playya_ | if ping fails its to late mmontour ? |
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| 07:10.46 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:16.35 | cjb | playya_, ecraven: they aren't crossing the streams tonight :) |
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| 07:25.27 | Derick | hello |
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| 07:26.07 | Derick | I just updated the openmoko to the 2008.08 developer image, but the USB network doesn't seem to work. And as there are no apps installed on the phone (no terminal), I am at a loss at how to debug this now. |
| 07:26.12 | Derick | any ideas? |
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| 07:37.11 | rwhitby | XorA: can you do an opkg svn checkin for me? |
| 07:38.09 | rwhitby | XorA: http://pastebin.ca/1198953 (also posted to opkg-devel mailing list) |
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| 07:41.16 | FxChiP | grins |
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| 07:43.26 | XorA | rwhitby: thats to follow 302 redirects? |
| 07:43.35 | rwhitby | yep |
| 07:43.44 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme * r4640 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_download.c: Patch from rwhitby to follow 302 redirects properly. |
| 07:43.48 | rwhitby | thx |
| 07:45.57 | XorA | hates it when people ask him questions on MSN that he really doesnt understand then sod off |
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| 07:48.44 | Kryczek | Dave: ? :) |
| 07:52.55 | swc|666 | meh.. how do i get my xfce4 panel back?? |
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| 07:54.13 | rwhitby | XorA: could you update sane-srcrevs in org.openmoko.dev too? |
| 07:55.17 | Derick | hmm, I just flash to 2008.8 - but how do I get networking going with USB? |
| 07:55.51 | XorA | rwhitby: when my build is finished |
| 07:56.02 | rwhitby | Derick: have you read the relevant wiki page? |
| 07:56.04 | rwhitby | XorA: thx |
| 07:56.13 | rwhitby | XorA: I've updated OE |
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| 07:56.33 | rwhitby | (I've already built and tested the binary earlier) |
| 07:56.37 | Derick | rwhitby: well, I can't find that page... I had networking working just fine with 2007.2 - but now I can't ping the device |
| 07:56.40 | swc|666 | nm |
| 07:56.43 | Derick | nor is there a terminal, so I can't check either |
| 07:56.56 | rwhitby | Derick: it's linked off the getting started page |
| 07:57.03 | Derick | let me see |
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| 07:57.45 | Derick | I've read all of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 07:57.55 | rwhitby | ok, which bit isn't working? |
| 07:58.13 | rwhitby | what debug techniques have you tried so far? |
| 07:58.32 | Derick | I can't ping the phone from my desktop - and I can't debug anything on the phone, as there is no terminal app. |
| 07:59.16 | rwhitby | did you flash both kernel and rootfs from a consistent pair? |
| 07:59.20 | Derick | yes |
| 07:59.29 | Derick | the "end user" one |
| 07:59.56 | rwhitby | cause your symptoms match the case where the kernel no longer has g_ether compiled in, but the rootfs hasn't been updated to include the g_ether module |
| 08:00.16 | Derick | rwhitby: should there be a terminal in the 2008.8 standard distribution? |
| 08:00.18 | rwhitby | what's ifconfig on the host say about the usb0 interface? |
| 08:00.43 | rwhitby | Derick: dunno, I run FSO |
| 08:01.02 | Derick | kossu:~# ifconfig usb0 |
| 08:01.02 | Derick | usb0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 08:01.15 | rwhitby | yep, symptoms are still matching |
| 08:01.20 | Derick | dmesg says: |
| 08:01.26 | Derick | [345552.629570] usb 1-2: Product: Neo1973 Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.2-rc2-dirty-moko12 |
| 08:01.37 | Derick | [345558.318461] usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 26 |
| 08:01.39 | Derick | hmm |
| 08:01.51 | Derick | i'll try to reflash |
| 08:02.19 | Derick | maybe I typoed |
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| 08:06.29 | Derick | rwhitby: okay, you were right :/ I think I had flashed an old kernel |
| 08:07.32 | rwhitby | ~emulate rwhitby |
| 08:07.36 | apt | Well, my work here is done. |
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| 09:01.38 | swc|666 | anyone know if its possible to run fluxbox or icewm with matchbox-window-manager? and is zhone compatible with a window manager other than matchbox? |
| 09:02.08 | zash | two window managers at the same time sounds bad |
| 09:02.34 | Derick | i don't know, but is 2008.8 like totally unusable? the qtopia stuff is really slow :/ |
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| 09:03.45 | Derick | they keyboard at least |
| 09:04.22 | methril | try FSO |
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| 09:04.50 | Derick | yeah, I think I will |
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| 09:05.42 | Derick | milestone 2 you would say? |
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| 09:14.42 | methril | today or tomorrow milestone 3 |
| 09:15.07 | methril | i'd like to see some shr release (if i had time, i help them) |
| 09:16.06 | Derick | ah, okay |
| 09:16.11 | Derick | i might reflash tomorrow then |
| 09:16.39 | methril | it depends on the remaining tickets |
| 09:16.40 | methril | :) |
| 09:16.47 | Derick | of course :) |
| 09:16.48 | |FiLiP| | MS3: only one ticket left :-) |
| 09:17.01 | Derick | methril: how would I get added to planet openmoko, and/or my packages appear in some feed? |
| 09:17.23 | Derick | I've ported PHp (and php-gtk) so that I can write apps in PHP |
| 09:17.23 | TAsn | what is there to expect from ms3? |
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| 09:17.40 | TAsn | will it be a working phone? |
| 09:17.41 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 09:17.48 | TAsn | running gtk\qt apps? |
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| 09:19.43 | methril | Deric: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/027833.html |
| 09:19.49 | Derick | methril: thanks |
| 09:20.04 | methril | you are wellcome |
| 09:20.33 | zash | Derick: lol |
| 09:21.03 | zash | wxruby would be nice |
| 09:21.07 | Derick | methril: the only thing to do now is make my system understand per-category *feeds* - it already does tags of course |
| 09:21.13 | Derick | zash: why lol? It's my phone ;-) |
| 09:21.39 | zash | Derick: php is a ugly hack |
| 09:21.49 | methril | hehee |
| 09:21.50 | Derick | that's your opinion, we will just disagree on that |
| 09:21.52 | zash | and it can only be used to make ugly hacks |
| 09:22.05 | methril | we are going to see another eternal fight :D |
| 09:22.38 | Derick | methril: no, I'll just invoke godwin's law and it's over :) |
| 09:22.39 | zash | also, php happens to be what i am best at |
| 09:22.44 | dolf1074 | I'm glad php exists, else I had to write my web pages in c (noooooo) |
| 09:22.54 | zash | dolf1074: or assembler! |
| 09:22.59 | dolf1074 | nooooooooo |
| 09:23.16 | methril | well, if we have binary, why we need assembler!! :P |
| 09:23.24 | dolf1074 | I think I would do very long for making 1 web page |
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| 09:23.46 | methril | yes, but some people have time :) |
| 09:24.01 | dolf1074 | yeah, why not go back to the light bulbs instead of the transistors |
| 09:24.20 | dolf1074 | methril: I don't |
| 09:24.48 | methril | dolf1074> neither do i |
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| 09:32.04 | me | ehi, I'm using pokemon yellow on my freerunner XD |
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| 09:33.44 | prjktdtnt | playing around with the qtopia images |
| 09:34.04 | prjktdtnt | pretty clean looking interface if I say so myself |
| 09:34.46 | prjktdtnt | going to flash the FDOM image now though |
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| 09:37.43 | sledgeas | hello! |
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| 09:39.01 | sledgeas | midori 0.0.19: i cannot seem to view (execute?) the location bar (neither from View menu nor Ctrl+L) --webcontent flashes on the right side and goes away (i have tried with both -- navigation bar visible and hidden) |
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| 09:41.50 | ebbe | Does anyone have problems with the sd-card on om2008.8? |
| 09:41.59 | ebbe | I have.. ;) |
| 09:42.06 | Tm_T | ebbe: don't ask to ask, just ask ;) |
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| 09:43.06 | sledgeas | :) |
| 09:43.14 | ebbe | If i "mount /media/card/" it says "mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist" |
| 09:43.25 | Derick | ebbe: have you suspended? |
| 09:43.28 | OdyX | do you have a card inserted ? |
| 09:43.30 | sledgeas | anyone was able to enter a web address in midori@debian@freerunner ? |
| 09:43.35 | ebbe | Derick: Yes |
| 09:43.43 | ebbe | And I have a card inserted |
| 09:43.44 | Derick | ebbe: then sometimes the device name changes |
| 09:43.59 | Derick | try mount /dev/mmvblk1p1 /media/card |
| 09:44.03 | Derick | try mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/card |
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| 09:44.36 | Q4eq8rsa | hi all |
| 09:44.46 | ebbe | Derick: "mount: special device /dev/mmvblk1p1 does not exist" |
| 09:44.56 | Arigead | [om2008.8] installed Tangogps and it shows me in a locaton where I'm not at. Is this a know problem? I don't think I've seen in on the mail list. Although I'm on the community list not support. |
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| 09:45.03 | Derick | ebbe: dmesg then |
| 09:45.32 | OdyX | Arigead: maybe you are not where you think you are ;) Trust the FR |
| 09:45.34 | OdyX | ;) |
| 09:45.56 | ebbe | Derick: I think this comes: "Only GTA01 hardware supported by ASoc driver" |
| 09:45.57 | Q4eq8rsa | I have a problem: whenever I try to put a kernel image on a sd card, I get an 'invalid magic number' error, can anybody give me a hint? |
| 09:45.58 | OdyX | Arigead: seriously, wait for sometime (~5 minutes) in an opensky place |
| 09:46.01 | Arigead | OdyX: Wish I was where it thinks I am! |
| 09:46.19 | OdyX | is it somewhere near africa ? |
| 09:46.39 | OdyX | Maybe it is "coordinate ZERO" (90 longitude, 0 latitude, altitude 0) |
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| 09:47.13 | Derick | Arigead: i suggest you try the agps gui thing to see if you get signal... once you have, try tangogps |
| 09:47.24 | ebbe | Derick: "mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card" in dmesg |
| 09:47.32 | Derick | ebbe: that is not too good |
| 09:47.36 | Derick | no idea about that |
| 09:47.40 | Derick | try reboot :) |
| 09:47.41 | Arigead | OdyX: Right I'll try that. It shows me in the Balkans. I'm not a million miles away. |
| 09:47.57 | Arigead | Derick: I'll try agps Thanks a million |
| 09:48.25 | ebbe | Rebooting.. |
| 09:49.33 | Q4eq8rsa | Arigead: tangogps always shows you in the balkans when it starts up |
| 09:49.47 | Q4eq8rsa | withoout a fix that is |
| 09:50.19 | prjktdtnt | i hope they move up to usb2 or even usb3 for a future revision of the OM, flashing takes forever if you have a large image (ex: FDOM) |
| 09:50.54 | Arigead | Q4eq8rsa: Never knew that. there was no indication that it didn't have a fix. thanks for that |
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| 09:51.26 | Q4eq8rsa | Arigead: did you enable the GPS? tango doesn't do that on its own. |
| 09:51.59 | Q4eq8rsa | Oh and look at the statusbar, there are some numbers all to the right. |
| 09:52.21 | Arigead | Q4eq8rsa: Yes I turned it on with the old Settings not illume. I'll try agps and see what it shows me. |
| 09:52.22 | ebbe | Derick: What filesystem would you think works the best with the Freerunner? |
| 09:52.51 | Q4eq8rsa | the first shows you the number of visible satelites, the second is the number of used satelites, the third is the HDOP |
| 09:53.12 | Q4eq8rsa | once the second number moves from zero, you have a fix. |
| 09:53.56 | ebbe | Arigead: And HDOP should be smaller than 4 before you can "trust" it to be somewhat correct. |
| 09:54.00 | Arigead | Q4eq8rsa: Didn't see any numbers on the right. Maybe I failed to start gps |
| 09:55.07 | kwek | hey.. anyone know what this is? when i normal boot my freerunner the device locks with and shows some distorted image.. nothing happens after.. but when i boot from NOR all is fine, it loads the kernel etc. Ive been playing with debian to boot from uboot so I probably somethin fecked up back then. |
| 09:55.28 | Q4eq8rsa | try the trip page, it shows there too. |
| 09:55.28 | Q4eq8rsa | or try agpsui |
| 09:55.39 | prjktdtnt | i will second agpsui |
| 09:55.44 | ecraven | has anyone tried arch linux on the neo? |
| 09:55.52 | Q4eq8rsa | kwek: what you messed up would be the bootloader environment |
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| 09:56.16 | ebbe | ecraven: I saw something about that on a blog a few days ago |
| 09:56.17 | kwek | Q4eq8rsa, i think too :) well ive flashed the latest u-boot.. what more can i do |
| 09:57.08 | mac2k | arch does not have a arm port as far as i remember |
| 09:57.16 | Q4eq8rsa | kwek: undo all changes you did when you 'played' with debian |
| 09:57.23 | prjktdtnt | bsd has an arm port lol |
| 09:57.30 | ecraven | mac2k: not yet ;) |
| 09:57.45 | mac2k | (: |
| 09:58.10 | Arigead | Thanks all. Great help. On another subject. I get a lot of lockups on om2008.8 update. Is there any way that I as a nobody can find the source of what's locked as it might possibly be something that has not been raised as yet. |
| 09:58.44 | ebbe | Arigead: What kind of lockups? |
| 09:58.51 | kwek | Q4eq8rsa, well i reflashed u-boot, kernel and root-fs (to 2008).. what else is left? i even cleared the SD |
| 09:59.35 | Q4eq8rsa | kwek: you tried double ext2 on debian, right? |
| 09:59.44 | Arigead | ebbe: User interface locks, ssh will not work into the FR. Power switch and aux do nothing. Pull the battery, and restart. |
| 09:59.49 | kwek | Q4eq8rsa, correct |
| 10:00.42 | Q4eq8rsa | that's why you're not supposed to fool around with things you don't understand. |
| 10:00.47 | Q4eq8rsa | dual-ext2 debian heavily modifies the bootloader env. |
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| 10:01.25 | ebbe | Arigead: That's serious.. Can you reproduce it? |
| 10:01.54 | Q4eq8rsa | I have no idea what exactly it does, so either get an image of a correct uboot env from somebody and flash it, or dissect that debian script and manually undo the changes |
| 10:02.24 | Arigead | ebbe: Every half an hour if I last that long. I'd like to get to the root of it but once it's locked there's nothing that I can do to find out what happened. |
| 10:03.16 | kwek | Q4eq8rsa, so if i get it right i probably need to restore the u-boot-env |
| 10:03.32 | kwek | *u-boot_env |
| 10:03.43 | ebbe | Arigead: You could try a fresh installation and see if it persists. If it does, it almost sound like the hardware is broken :/ |
| 10:03.52 | Q4eq8rsa | kwek: exactly. |
| 10:04.25 | Q4eq8rsa | I'd give you mine, but I don't think it would work unless you had the original gta02-uboot from factory on. |
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| 10:05.03 | kwek | Q4eq8rsa, yeah i flashed one from downloads.openmoko.org the other day |
| 10:05.25 | kwek | ill try to get uboot-envedit working on gentoo |
| 10:05.37 | Q4eq8rsa | kwek: congrats, you figured out how to make it worse |
| 10:06.09 | Q4eq8rsa | maybe you could try to find out which u-boot is factory default and get that one. |
| 10:06.11 | Arigead | ebbe:I flashed Qtopia and that works perfect, but it is not an OM distro. I'd rather be running OM or FSO and moving things forward by testing that. Can't get too far though. I'll flash another daily build. |
| 10:06.13 | kwek | well isnt that the fun of it all.. breaking it all and then try to fix it |
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| 10:06.51 | ebbe | Arigead: Which distros locks? |
| 10:07.07 | ebbe | FSO, 2007, 2008 |
| 10:07.10 | Q4eq8rsa | kwek: well... I don't know what to say to that... besides... If it AINT broken: FIX IT |
| 10:07.30 | kwek | hehe |
| 10:08.12 | Q4eq8rsa | kwek: or was it? if it aint broken, DONT fix it? |
| 10:08.34 | kwek | Q4eq8rsa, yeah that one.. but i guess the first applies here |
| 10:08.46 | Q4eq8rsa | oh now i have it: if it ain't broken, don't fix it -- improve it. |
| 10:08.50 | Arigead | ebbe: 2008 a daily build from earlier in the week. Maybe I'll try FSO. |
| 10:08.57 | kwek | Q4eq8rsa, well i dont think it can go any worse.. wanna send me your u-boot_env? |
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| 10:09.23 | Q4eq8rsa | lemme check where i put it |
| 10:09.42 | kwek | or anyone if they have it |
| 10:09.52 | Q4eq8rsa | ok, how do I send files again? |
| 10:10.04 | kwek | send files? |
| 10:10.22 | Q4eq8rsa | don't have that option |
| 10:10.30 | kwek | oh feck that.. email is ok for me.. mjbroek at gmail |
| 10:10.43 | Q4eq8rsa | ok, |
| 10:11.27 | Q4eq8rsa | btw, gmail dot what? |
| 10:11.32 | kwek | .com |
| 10:11.40 | Q4eq8rsa | k |
| 10:13.47 | Q4eq8rsa | kwek: on its way to you. |
| 10:13.53 | kwek | Q4eq8rsa, tnx mate |
| 10:13.54 | kwek | got it |
| 10:14.20 | Q4eq8rsa | good luck with your 'fix' |
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| 10:15.41 | methril | why you didn't pastebinthe config |
| 10:15.42 | Q4eq8rsa | ok, btw, who can help ME now? |
| 10:15.43 | methril | ? |
| 10:15.49 | methril | the env? |
| 10:16.02 | kwek | Q4eq8rsa, weee.. tnx that worked.. now back to breaking it again :P |
| 10:16.03 | Q4eq8rsa | I get 'bad magic number' when trying to start a kernel from sd |
| 10:16.21 | Q4eq8rsa | kwek: works again? |
| 10:16.24 | kwek | yeah |
| 10:16.33 | kwek | it boots again |
| 10:16.54 | methril | usually in u-boot you have the default-env harcoded |
| 10:16.57 | Q4eq8rsa | k, next time, read the script, THEN execute the script. |
| 10:17.11 | Q4eq8rsa | is that so? |
| 10:17.35 | Q4eq8rsa | how do you enable the default? |
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| 10:28.43 | methril | one way is deleting the saved env in flash (through u-booot serial line) and restart |
| 10:28.51 | methril | it uses the hardcoded env |
| 10:29.48 | dgym | anyone had any luck suspending/powering down the wifi after it has been used? |
| 10:30.55 | dgym | I'd like to improve my battery life, but the ar6k seems to be drawing power all the time |
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| 10:47.50 | maddy | i have created a sample deb package abcd.1.0.0_i386.deb. is there any build environment to cross-compile for Arm?? (because i have installed debian on my free-runner) |
| 10:48.32 | Open_Gl | how to change 2008.8 ringtone,sms sound ? |
| 10:48.49 | dns53 | not sure how to do it but it should be part of the debian build system |
| 10:49.54 | Derick | hmm, FSO doesn't come with update feeds - can I use the OM 2008.8 ones? |
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| 10:50.56 | dns53 | give it a try, they may use different directory layouts |
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| 10:55.13 | zogg_ | how do i restart X server? Without reboot. |
| 10:55.54 | Derick | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.56 | dns53 | /etc/init.d/ something starting with x |
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| 10:59.14 | Derick | does FSO only allow phone numbers in SIM cards? |
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| 11:02.25 | zogg_ | thanks |
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| 11:10.11 | Derick | hmm, opkg segfaults :/ |
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| 11:15.44 | ecraven | bumbl: hey ;) any luck with gentoo on the neo? |
| 11:16.53 | Derick | ah, out of memory |
| 11:17.22 | bumbl | not tried yet |
| 11:17.38 | bumbl | I haven't touched my neo for a while |
| 11:17.39 | Derick | no :/ |
| 11:17.41 | Derick | not that |
| 11:18.10 | bumbl | but ecraven there is a guide @ the wiki |
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| 11:21.24 | lindi- | maddy: sure. "sudo qemubuilder --build abcd*.dsc" |
| 11:21.50 | lindi- | maddy: please look at the debian wiki for more info and don't hesitate to /msg me for help |
| 11:23.35 | maddy | lindi-, ok |
| 11:24.27 | ecraven | bumbl: i'd like arch, not gentoo ;) |
| 11:25.23 | bumbl | ard that there are some unofficial ppc ports |
| 11:25.25 | bumbl | arch has the problem that it is not that flexible and its i868 only although I he |
| 11:25.28 | bumbl | ard that there are some unofficial ppc ports |
| 11:25.44 | bumbl | must configure his touchpad |
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| 11:27.58 | me | hi, I can't get the hide/show button for the matchbox keyboard... anybody could help me please? |
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| 11:37.12 | rwhitby | shr.bearstech.com is back and building again |
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| 11:42.21 | ieatlint | yay |
| 11:42.32 | ieatlint | although with fso-makefile, building is pretty simple |
| 11:42.41 | ieatlint | took like 4 hours the first time, but updates take like 15min now |
| 11:44.44 | rwhitby | ieatlint: glad you like it |
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| 11:45.06 | ieatlint | would that be you who set it up? :) |
| 11:45.13 | rwhitby | gets fed up with the Duplicates thread, and posts an FAQ |
| 11:45.19 | rwhitby | yep, that would be me. |
| 11:45.26 | ieatlint | well, good job.. |
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| 11:45.47 | ieatlint | without docs, it took me a little bit of time to figure it out (and then find the images)... but now very simple |
| 11:46.06 | rwhitby | feel free to write the docs then in return ;-) |
| 11:46.26 | ieatlint | hehe, they're be horribly incomplete i'm afraid |
| 11:46.45 | ieatlint | and as too many people who've tried to use my code can attest, i rarely write docs |
| 11:47.27 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07fso-makefile * r0c3a1c36b18e 10/setup-env: setup-env: Extend BBPATH for shr overlay |
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| 11:54.19 | pooze | just a quick question.. where does the OM2008.8 image store the contacts and SMSes? |
| 11:54.30 | viq | ASU == 2008 ? |
| 11:54.41 | pooze | yes, as far as I understood |
| 11:54.53 | viq | pooze: I know contacts, in /home/root/applications there is... qtopia.db I think |
| 11:55.16 | viq | Anyway, contacts are stored in an sqlite database, I was looking for that yesterday evening |
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| 11:56.39 | pooze | you mean this file: /home/root/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite ? |
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| 11:56.55 | sledgeas | hello |
| 11:56.59 | Derick | where does zhone store the contact details? |
| 11:58.26 | viq | pooze: something like that, yes |
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| 11:59.11 | sledgeas | my GPS seems not to work (debian, 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Tue Jul 29) fso-gpsd launched OK, tangogps is connecting and reading from gpsd OK, cat -u /dev/ttySAC1 | grep -v ^$ is giving out nothing, tangogps shows LatLon 90/0 Alt 500 P/H/V-DOP 99.99/99.99/99.99 |
| 11:59.20 | viq | I can show you quick and amatourish ways to take a peek inside, but don't count on much more ;) |
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| 11:59.47 | lindi- | sledgeas: maybe it just has not got fix yet |
| 12:01.37 | sledgeas | lindi-: so even when it hasnt, is it ok that cat -u /dev/ttySAC1 | grep -v is silent? and i tried getting a fix in my room for quite a while (i am residing in the valley of alps, Italy) (my FR is rather new, DateCode 20080725, and has already the capacitor on the SD-slot (yes, SD is inserted, 'cause only there is the gps software for now) |
| 12:02.00 | viq | sledgeas: did you try it by the window? |
| 12:02.09 | sledgeas | no |
| 12:02.16 | sledgeas | it had 2 meters until the window |
| 12:02.23 | sledgeas | is it soo sensitiv to that? |
| 12:02.37 | viq | I believe the initial fix yes |
| 12:02.41 | sledgeas | hmmm |
| 12:03.05 | sledgeas | how could i track that gpsd is at least attempting to get a fix? i tried this in the moving train, too |
| 12:03.31 | si-m1 | it won't fix if it's moving |
| 12:03.36 | sledgeas | (lol i didnt have time yet just to calmly put FR to sit outside, as now im in the office :)) |
| 12:03.54 | OdyX | Hi. On FSO-ms2, the icon htop doesn't launch anything. Problem known ? |
| 12:04.03 | si-m1 | but it doesn't have any problem tracking from inside a train once it has fixed |
| 12:04.03 | sledgeas | si-m1: but an HP handheld of my friend has been getting perfect fixes in the car (tom tom software etc) |
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| 12:04.10 | viq | Yeah, I believe I saw FR having problems getting initial fix even when I was walking or biking with it |
| 12:04.22 | si-m1 | sledgeas: yea but it probably already fixed while the car was standing still |
| 12:04.30 | si-m1 | also, they usually save the fix |
| 12:04.33 | sledgeas | si-m1: no, in moving all the time |
| 12:04.41 | si-m1 | so when you boot it up again it will use the saved fix |
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| 12:04.59 | zogg_ | 'Enter' key doesnt work on illume keyboard in terminal? |
| 12:05.16 | sledgeas | and several times, because he'd turned that software off (to write SMSs every so often), and it had lost fix, then once software back, 2-3 minutes and the fix is back |
| 12:06.00 | sledgeas | so i'd really fancy in breaking this gps behaviour down whilst comparing it to my friend's HP palmtop.. if you guys help me out ;) |
| 12:06.03 | si-m1 | k.. may be some other magic methods of fixing while moving |
| 12:06.13 | lindi- | sledgeas: i am not sure |
| 12:06.15 | sledgeas | aa-rite, so it's not the FR's hardware |
| 12:06.26 | sledgeas | which I thought was less robust |
| 12:06.32 | si-m1 | i've never gotten a fix on fr while moving |
| 12:06.45 | si-m1 | but once it has a fix it works pretty well |
| 12:07.14 | sledgeas | si-m1: in tangogps it writes that it was 0/0 satellite |
| 12:07.15 | sledgeas | s |
| 12:07.28 | sledgeas | so i think the truth is somewhere outthere rather than the fixs |
| 12:08.42 | Derick | sledgeas: try the agps tool first... I think thta functionality should be part of tangogps actually |
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| 12:10.26 | Q4eq8rsa | I have |
| 12:10.29 | beni_ | OdyX: same issue here |
| 12:10.44 | budfive5 | anybody know where the kernel code for the touchscreen lives? |
| 12:10.53 | sledgeas | Derick: ok, trying.. |
| 12:10.54 | OdyX | beni_: I'll try to update to fso-testing on bearstech and see if something changes.. |
| 12:10.56 | beni_ | OdyX: the problem is, i think, that its not possible to launch an terminal window currently |
| 12:11.07 | OdyX | the terminal launches correctly.. |
| 12:11.09 | beni_ | OdyX: dont changes anything, i have it running. |
| 12:11.19 | Q4eq8rsa | @all: try the hardware fix presented in the wiki |
| 12:11.21 | Q4eq8rsa | worked miracles for me |
| 12:11.35 | OdyX | beni_: what about fso-testing ? not good ? |
| 12:11.43 | beni_ | OdyX: yes, the terminal. But the "htop" button launches htop, and that needs a terminal started which in turn calls htop then. and that point is not working so far |
| 12:11.53 | OdyX | okay... |
| 12:12.00 | OdyX | I'll update to fso-testing anyway. |
| 12:12.01 | beni_ | OdyX: its okay but wont fix your issue |
| 12:12.14 | OdyX | I hate being stalled without updates ;) Like staying in etch |
| 12:12.57 | Q4eq8rsa | OdyX:lol |
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| 12:13.23 | Q4eq8rsa | Can anyone here help me enable my usb keyboard in X? |
| 12:13.23 | OdyX | beni_: it's no "real" issue as I can easily go into terminal and "type" htop ther |
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| 12:13.53 | sledgeas | Derick: apt-cache search agps (-- no results) and alas i got no wi-fi on my Om2008 on NAND, wil lhave to try out only in the evening then (should i maybe try now gpsd (not fso-gpsd)?) |
| 12:14.15 | Derick | sledgeas: I don't know the name of the tool... |
| 12:14.34 | Derick | openmoko-agpsui |
| 12:14.42 | sledgeas | yes, no thing for debian |
| 12:14.57 | Derick | just run the binary from the .opkg |
| 12:15.11 | sledgeas | hmm, worth-a-try |
| 12:15.27 | Derick | and an .opkg is a .deb anyway |
| 12:15.38 | Derick | so rename to .deb and dpkg install *should* work |
| 12:15.58 | Q4eq8rsa | ok, people throw me a bone here... what's the equivalent of xorg.conf on the FR? |
| 12:16.03 | sledgeas | ;) |
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| 12:17.36 | sledgeas | Q4eq8rsa: on my zhone(debian) it's there: /etc/X11/xorg.conf :) |
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| 12:18.40 | Q4eq8rsa | :-$ I know. But there's none on Om2007.2 |
| 12:18.53 | Q4eq8rsa | I'd use debian, but Zhone suxx |
| 12:19.09 | OdyX | wouah.. Segmentation fault on opkg upgarde |
| 12:19.14 | OdyX | any pointer to some solution ? |
| 12:19.16 | Derick | OdyX: I just had the same |
| 12:19.18 | Derick | solution |
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| 12:19.37 | Derick | download wget http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/libopkg0_0.1.4+svnr4564-r0_armv4t.opk |
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| 12:19.42 | Derick | unzip |
| 12:19.57 | Derick | cp libopkg.so.0.0.0 to /usr/lib on the openmoko |
| 12:20.36 | sledgeas | Q4eq8rsa: im not using FR as a phone, so i basically skip zhone with Alt+Tab between the terminals and midori with matchbox-kbd lol |
| 12:20.38 | OdyX | unzip ? |
| 12:20.51 | Derick | well, it's a .deb |
| 12:20.53 | Derick | I used mc |
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| 12:21.00 | OdyX | tar.gz the |
| 12:21.00 | Derick | copied out the file, and scp'd it over |
| 12:21.26 | Q4eq8rsa | sledgeas: you're not helping |
| 12:21.39 | Derick | OdyX: it's not tar.gz |
| 12:21.56 | Derick | i think |
| 12:22.00 | Q4eq8rsa | i'm trying to get things to work here |
| 12:22.09 | sledgeas | Q4eq8rsa: if i knew, what is the /dev for NAND i would mount it and search for it for you, sounds crazy that they've moved xorg.conf away tho |
| 12:22.35 | Derick | OdyX: files.derickrethans.nl/libopkg.so.0.0.0 |
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| 12:22.37 | sledgeas | why in the world you need to modify something in xorg.conf - everything should be automagically pre-set |
| 12:22.54 | OdyX | thanks Derick |
| 12:23.18 | Derick | also, put okpg-cl in /usr/bin |
| 12:23.20 | Q4eq8rsa | i searched it already, there is no such thing as an xorg.conf anywhere |
| 12:23.42 | Derick | OdyX: files.derickrethans.nl/opkg-cl |
| 12:24.03 | OdyX | I tried before putting opkg-cl and it seems to work |
| 12:24.08 | OdyX | why would it be needed ? |
| 12:24.20 | Q4eq8rsa | sledgeas: because I want to use the USB keyboard in X. |
| 12:24.26 | Derick | just a precaution, in case symbols changed between versions |
| 12:24.28 | Q4eq8rsa | works fine in console, but not in X |
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| 12:24.37 | OdyX | hmm |
| 12:24.39 | sledgeas | k, got it |
| 12:24.40 | OdyX | for the moment it works |
| 12:24.42 | OdyX | ;) |
| 12:25.48 | OdyX | Many thanks Derick : it would not have found alone |
| 12:25.55 | Derick | np |
| 12:26.08 | Derick | it was a wild guess on my part - spend a good half hour on it too :) |
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| 12:28.02 | OdyX | Is there any sort of changelog monitor (similar to apt-getchanges) when updating packages ? |
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| 12:29.56 | OdyX | Derick: had you tried strace ? |
| 12:29.59 | Q4eq8rsa | doesn't anyone know which configfiles that _blasted_xserver uses? |
| 12:30.12 | Derick | OdyX: no, gdb actually - it should the segfault in libopkg |
| 12:30.17 | Derick | so I decided to find an update |
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| 12:30.40 | Derick | which was in the repository |
| 12:30.48 | Derick | but I couldn't install it because it segfaulted |
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| 12:30.51 | Derick | so I did it by hand |
| 12:30.55 | OdyX | okay |
| 12:31.16 | OdyX | This is an issue for those having FSO-ms2, because they won't be able to update ... |
| 12:31.17 | m3 | hi, I'm porting gnuboy to openmoko, now I need a keyboard, how can I do? |
| 12:31.41 | Derick | OdyX: i just used the normal "testing" repositories |
| 12:31.54 | OdyX | m3: find an suitable USB adaptators chain to connect your keyboard to your FR |
| 12:32.08 | OdyX | Derick: I try to not mix the distros... |
| 12:32.20 | m3 | OdyX: no... I need a touch keyboard for evey day usage |
| 12:32.27 | Derick | OdyX: me neither - but the FSO repository didn't even exist... |
| 12:32.31 | OdyX | true |
| 12:32.32 | OdyX | ;) |
| 12:33.42 | rwhitby | Derick: fso-testing repo exists at shr.bearstech.com |
| 12:33.46 | OdyX | m3: there is a pretty useable keyboard in FSO (illume-keyboard I think) |
| 12:34.03 | Derick | rwhitby: ah, that is new :) |
| 12:34.12 | m3 | OdyX: I need a new one, like the gameboy one :D |
| 12:34.19 | Derick | rwhitby: perhaps you also know where zhone stores the contact information? |
| 12:34.25 | OdyX | write it down ;) |
| 12:34.28 | rwhitby | on the SIM |
| 12:34.42 | Derick | ah, that stinks as my sim is limited |
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| 12:34.57 | rwhitby | Derick: shr.bearstech.com has been up for almost a month now ... |
| 12:34.57 | Derick | and I've too many phone numbers :/ |
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| 12:35.08 | Derick | rwhitby: I started with FSO today... so it was new to me |
| 12:35.11 | OdyX | and the amount of information storeable is way too low (photos, various phone numbers ...) |
| 12:35.22 | Derick | OdyX: indeed |
| 12:35.39 | Derick | I will see if I can write it in myself :) |
| 12:35.52 | OdyX | In all my previous phones (actually, with my actual phone), I stored the contacts in the phone, nothing on the SIM |
| 12:36.01 | rwhitby | fso is not a front-end, it's only enough apps to test the framework that is there, and there is no contacts framework there so there is no contacts app |
| 12:36.28 | OdyX | well... there is one in zhone.. |
| 12:36.44 | rwhitby | no, it's a sim card editor, not a contacts application |
| 12:37.01 | Derick | rwhitby: any suggestions on how to get something started here? |
| 12:37.18 | rwhitby | it's only there to test that reading and writing the sim card works through the framework APIs. |
| 12:37.35 | OdyX | okay |
| 12:37.37 | OdyX | good to know |
| 12:37.39 | Derick | yeah, I understand... I meant on how to get a framework API on this going |
| 12:37.41 | rwhitby | Derick: join the SHR project. They are porting om2007.2 apps to FSO framework |
| 12:37.59 | Derick | rwhitby: any url with info on that? |
| 12:38.20 | rwhitby | first hit on google for "shr openmoko" |
| 12:38.24 | Derick | ok :) |
| 12:38.57 | OdyX | So. We have om2007.2 and om2008.8, FSO which takes the best of both and SHR which takes 2007.2 to FSO !? |
| 12:39.55 | Q4eq8rsa | has anyone here _any_ idea about using the usb host mode of FR? |
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| 12:40.16 | rwhitby | fso doesn't take the best of both |
| 12:40.23 | opendeep | rwhitby:OM2008.8 build is being stable?I tried to setup on my system but it is failed at qtopia-phone package. |
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| 12:40.36 | rwhitby | fso is a complete rewrite of the underlying base API functionality, and nothing on top |
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| 12:41.04 | rwhitby | opendeep: org.openmoko.asu.stable, openmoko-asu-image is meant to build |
| 12:41.10 | rwhitby | is that what you are building? |
| 12:41.20 | OdyX | and SHR will be based on FSO if I understand correctly |
| 12:41.41 | rwhitby | OdyX: shr is apps from 2007.2/2008.8, on top of fso framework |
| 12:41.43 | opendeep | rwhitby:yes |
| 12:42.38 | igor321 | dudes using the latest software, does suspend & resume finally work? |
| 12:42.42 | rwhitby | opendeep: I haven't built that myself lately, so it must just be broken metadata |
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| 12:42.49 | sledgeas | how do you guys startup xterm in zhone-session? i add xterm &, but even when in there before xterm line (zhone-session is a #!/bin/sh) is a line set HOME=/root, xterm still starts with HOME=/ .. |
| 12:42.59 | rwhitby | igor321: define "latest software" |
| 12:43.12 | igor321 | latest kernel, daily builds, whatevz :) |
| 12:43.21 | rwhitby | which of the 7 distros are you referring to? |
| 12:43.26 | igor321 | talking about 2008.8 |
| 12:43.40 | rwhitby | ok, you need to state that up front |
| 12:43.42 | sledgeas | whatevz includes self-compiled git burning-edge source code ;) which already may be taking FRs to mars :) |
| 12:44.39 | rwhitby | opendeep: my asu build fails with a missing file: IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/rwhitby/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/util-macros-1_1.1.5-r1.01/install/util-macros-dbg.lock' |
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| 12:50.09 | OdyX | rwhitby: if I find bugs in fso-testing (e.g. the icon for tangogps does not appear), where should I report ? |
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| 12:50.47 | rwhitby | OdyX: trac.freesmartphone.org |
| 12:50.53 | OdyX | tickets ? OK |
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| 12:52.04 | ieatlint | so does fso actually support new sms notification now? or am i misunderstanding the closing of that ticket... |
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| 13:01.55 | Daramarak2 | Which distro would be the most practical to get to know for a openmoko newbie? Are all the aspect of 2007.2 equal to the 2008.8 or are there complete changes of technology? |
| 13:02.00 | bumbl | ieatlint: it should |
| 13:02.16 | bumbl | Daramarak2: they are a complete change of technology |
| 13:02.49 | ieatlint | fantastic... now i just need to find my phones |
| 13:03.08 | Daramarak2 | So much of the knowledge I get from playing with 2007.2 would be only for that distro? |
| 13:04.10 | ieatlint | Daramarak2, are you talking development getting used to, or end user getting used to? |
| 13:04.47 | Daramarak2 | Development, I want to contribute, but I need to know the system better first. |
| 13:05.22 | ieatlint | most distros share some aspects, but are entirely different in others |
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| 13:05.52 | rwhitby | 2007.2 is dead |
| 13:05.55 | ieatlint | if you want to do non-gsm development (ie, nothing that involves sms/phone/sim stuff), then the code is more portable |
| 13:06.22 | ronny | hmm |
| 13:06.22 | ieatlint | all but qtopia use x, enlightenment, gtk... |
| 13:06.28 | OdyX | AFAIK, learn how FSO acts |
| 13:06.35 | ronny | dammit, when will the last issue of fso3 be solved ? |
| 13:06.51 | OdyX | Or learn how to interact with FSO |
| 13:07.10 | ieatlint | oh hey, the universe didn't cease to exist.. |
| 13:07.31 | ieatlint | they tested the collider a little bit ago |
| 13:08.07 | ronny | ieatlint: well, it did cease to exist, it just ceased faster than being able to notify people about it |
| 13:08.17 | ronny | ignorance is bliss |
| 13:08.47 | ieatlint | so you're saying that the world has ceased to exist, but it stopped existing so fast no one noticed? |
| 13:08.57 | ieatlint | that makes even less sense than those end of the world freaks |
| 13:09.11 | OdyX | our mother universe ceased to exist, but we all went through Geneva's blackhole and we are now in a mighty land full of Freerunners working perfectly |
| 13:09.28 | Daramarak2 | ieatlint: It might have ceased to exist for a while, and then suddenly just popped into existence again :) |
| 13:10.48 | ronny | ieatlint: thats the whole point of it, not making sense is a new mindsport these days |
| 13:11.22 | ieatlint | well, if fox news can make a business of it, then who am i to argue |
| 13:12.25 | OdyX | the earth turned itself through the CERN. It is still spheric, but we are inside the sphere. I see the australians above my head ! |
| 13:12.44 | rwhitby | I can confirm that I'm looking down on OdyX |
| 13:13.13 | ieatlint | they don't let me into church anymore, ever since i told the pastor "no taxation without representation" as they passed the collection plate :( |
| 13:13.30 | rwhitby | they only did one beam today anyway, they don't collide anything for weeks. |
| 13:13.47 | OdyX | nahh... seriously, those bastards that went in court against the CERN are just not serious: they discredit the whole Science for their personal glory |
| 13:14.10 | ieatlint | well, here's hoping the world ends... committing suicide is too much effort |
| 13:15.06 | OdyX | builds the SHR |
| 13:15.44 | ieatlint | good luck with that |
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| 13:19.43 | OdyX | ieatlint: for the moment, it builds... |
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| 13:19.58 | OdyX | ieatlint: is there a problem with the building ? |
| 13:20.19 | ieatlint | i haven't screwed with it much |
| 13:20.46 | ieatlint | since it's not supposed to be at all ready yet, and the build produces inheritance errors, i just kinda let it be without trying to fix the errors myself |
| 13:20.53 | OdyX | Is there already a place where "autobuilds" of the SHR are produced ? |
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| 13:21.51 | ieatlint | no to my knowledge |
| 13:22.17 | OdyX | because if the process is something similar to "every 24 hours, "svn update" and "make" and "move to repos"", I could provide more or less the CPU and the space (don't know about the bandwidth) |
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| 13:23.19 | ieatlint | well, it doesn't need too much cpu to build after the first time |
| 13:23.29 | ieatlint | updates are quick, since you needn't recompile more than a few packages |
| 13:23.32 | OdyX | hopefully |
| 13:23.36 | ieatlint | but shr doesn't build methinks |
| 13:23.49 | OdyX | we'll see ;) |
| 13:25.57 | rwhitby | OdyX: shr.bearstech.com |
| 13:26.19 | rwhitby | and it attempts to start a build every 15 minutes |
| 13:26.28 | OdyX | yeah... I heard about it... and updated to fso-testing using it... but can't see shr ... |
| 13:27.03 | rwhitby | OdyX: yeah, it only came back on line today, and shr is still building |
| 13:27.18 | OdyX | OKay... |
| 13:27.35 | rwhitby | Running task 179 of 5136 of shr-unstable |
| 13:27.51 | OdyX | my laptop is at 406 |
| 13:27.52 | OdyX | ;) |
| 13:28.08 | rwhitby | you're probably not building fso-unstable at the same time :-) |
| 13:28.18 | OdyX | that should be it ;) |
| 13:28.31 | rwhitby | (since it's been offline for over a week, so there's lots to catch up on) |
| 13:28.36 | OdyX | anyway, if there is a need of space or CPU-time or (limited) bandwith, just ask...) |
| 13:29.07 | rwhitby | I already have a parallel build and feed on the nslu2-linux machine which is in the same rack as master.kernel.org at OSUOSL |
| 13:29.30 | rwhitby | (just in case shr.bearstech.com goes down again) |
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| 13:29.56 | OdyX | and there is little chance that master.k.o would fail |
| 13:29.58 | OdyX | ;) |
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| 13:30.36 | rwhitby | it's only the same rack, completely different machines |
| 13:31.20 | OdyX | <LHC@Home> "The beam just circulated counterclockwise for the first time, huge applause. At this rate they should have the Higg's nailed by the weekend (just kidding)." |
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| 13:32.06 | rooly|away | kaaboom. |
| 13:32.12 | rooly|away | yeah, that's my turn at the joke |
| 13:32.19 | Mononoke | see and we are all alive :/ |
| 13:32.29 | Mononoke | how boring -,- |
| 13:32.35 | rooly | meh, the prediction was for 50 months anyway |
| 13:32.49 | rooly | (which just so happens to coincide with the mayan calender) |
| 13:33.16 | rooly | but no, the lhc wont destroy the world |
| 13:33.28 | Mononoke | imho openmoko gta10 will have it's own colider >.< |
| 13:33.31 | ieatlint | the mayans can't be too great at predicting the future if they let themselves be overrun by europeans |
| 13:33.33 | rooly | because the world is gonna end in fire, not super-gravity and time-dilation |
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| 13:35.30 | Mononoke | or what about geiger counter in openmoko <.< |
| 13:35.46 | ieatlint | find a usb one, and you're set |
| 13:35.58 | ieatlint | or bluetooth |
| 13:36.04 | Mononoke | dunno if there is such thing :) |
| 13:36.23 | ieatlint | i wouldn't be surprised either way |
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| 13:36.42 | Mononoke | http://www.blackcatsystems.com/GM/geiger_counter.html omg |
| 13:36.52 | ieatlint | the military would have a use for reading data from a geiger counter with a computer, and there's no sense in making your own interface |
| 13:37.21 | ieatlint | yep, there you go |
| 13:37.35 | Mononoke | it'll need a bit of hacking to make driver but it should work |
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| 13:38.37 | mwester | The whole silliness with the Hadron just goes to show that people haven't really come very far from Copernicus' time. |
| 13:38.40 | ieatlint | blah, that's the second time i've done that today |
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| 13:39.46 | ieatlint | mwester, oh please, the bible say nothing of us "revolving" around the sun... i think god would have mentioned it in genesis |
| 13:40.11 | jadams__ | so http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ is uploading right now... |
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| 13:42.37 | ieatlint | it's too bad scientology would sue me if i tried to start something called scienceology |
| 13:43.08 | ieatlint | perhaps they'd let me in germany |
| 13:43.22 | Mononoke | aren't they forbidden ? |
| 13:43.25 | jadams__ | ieatlint, it'd still be funny |
| 13:43.38 | bumbl | Mononoke: not in all parts of the world |
| 13:44.06 | ieatlint | Mononoke, kinda my point, as long as "scienceology" weren't a cult, the german gov may just look the other way and smile |
| 13:44.37 | Mononoke | well in some way any community is cult |
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| 13:45.26 | CVirus | fuck all religions and cults |
| 13:45.27 | ieatlint | so by your own wording, you're either in a cult, or completely socially devoid? |
| 13:45.28 | CVirus | :-) |
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| 13:45.41 | Mononoke | "Cult" typically refers to a cohesive social group devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding population considers to be outside the mainstream. << openmoko ? |
| 13:46.04 | PermBan | I'll count to ten and we'll all commit suicide! |
| 13:46.30 | Tanuva | won't |
| 13:46.39 | ieatlint | you suck at counting, it didn't happen |
| 13:47.48 | Mononoke | but it opens question if mainstream is always good. Is iphone good ? |
| 13:48.18 | ieatlint | heh, apple freaks are probably on the verge of moving to south africa to build jobstown |
| 13:48.29 | ieatlint | err, south america :P |
| 13:48.39 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 13:48.55 | CVirus | org.freesmartphone.Phone |
| 13:49.00 | CVirus | why does everything start with org ? |
| 13:49.02 | Mononoke | so let's move to africa and build open town :P look at olpc |
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| 13:49.36 | OdyX | Or let's move to space, become rich and found a publicly successful Linux distro ;) |
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| 13:49.44 | ieatlint | sealand? |
| 13:49.45 | rwhitby | CVirus: cause com is soooo dirty |
| 13:49.54 | ieatlint | is sealand still for sale? |
| 13:50.03 | CVirus | rwhitby: no seriously ? |
| 13:50.18 | rwhitby | CVirus: I blame java namespaces |
| 13:50.33 | CVirus | rwhitby: is it all C by the way ? |
| 13:50.43 | rwhitby | it's mostly python |
| 13:50.52 | sledgeas | CVirus: because it's the opensource first level domain name. you ask about java package'ing naming, which must correspond to the domain levels in reversed order (started from level 1). thus www.ibm.com would package into com.ibm.www |
| 13:51.03 | DPThought | no gta01 files yet at http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ keeping my fingers crossed |
| 13:51.25 | CVirus | rwhitby: the dbus api is python ? |
| 13:51.26 | rwhitby | freesmartphone release process is backwards for an open source project |
| 13:51.42 | rwhitby | CVirus: the freesmartphone.org implementation is |
| 13:52.14 | sledgeas | anyway: org is a sound name to call anything free gnu open source etc :) |
| 13:52.29 | sledgeas | because it's never a com[mercial] :) |
| 13:52.35 | mwester | There are dbus APIs for most common languages at this point. Even Perl, I'm told. |
| 13:52.52 | rwhitby | mwester: probably .NET too |
| 13:52.59 | rwhitby | (the language, not the domain) |
| 13:53.03 | mwester | AaaaaaggghhhH! |
| 13:53.23 | mwester | There is. I just googled it. |
| 13:53.35 | rwhitby | probably VB too |
| 13:53.57 | mwester | That's too horrible to even google :D |
| 13:54.24 | mwester | There's a ruby dbus API. That could be interesiting. |
| 13:54.59 | rwhitby | mwester: http://gambasrad.org/pages/about |
| 13:55.08 | rwhitby | dbus api in visual basic clone |
| 13:55.45 | faltantornillos | hi all, is there any unrar like software on openmoko? pls |
| 13:55.55 | mwester | falls off his chair laughing after reading the first paragraph of that web page... |
| 13:56.54 | toggles_w | if i want to install zhone, what sort of image should i start with? |
| 13:57.09 | rwhitby | toggles_w: wait about 30 minutes, and fso3 should be ready |
| 13:57.23 | toggles_w | rwhitby: rock on! |
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| 13:58.30 | timo2k | how to diable screen blanking in debian? |
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| 13:58.56 | lindi- | timo2k: what does the screen blanking? |
| 13:59.09 | Iai1 | Anybody done any work with image display on gta-02? |
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| 14:00.03 | timo2k | have installed debian and want to use tangogps, after some seconds the screen goes darker then off.. is there anything in /sys to turn that powermanagement feature off? |
| 14:00.19 | lindi- | timo2k: again, do you know what controls brightness? |
| 14:00.20 | Tanuva | timo2k: thats done by zhone, quit it or modify the source :) |
| 14:00.28 | lindi- | spoilers :) |
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| 14:00.47 | Tanuva | but xorg (?) will turn off the screen after some 15min, too |
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| 14:01.33 | timo2k | lindi: no sorry I'm only searching in /sys maybe there are some contols |
| 14:01.49 | sledgeas | i am getting Segmentation fault on zhone whlie apt-get --upgrade (--install *) building dependency tree (70 or now 89%) after i run apt-get --update everything's fine again. im just afraid that one day this might not help, a kinda not-funny error you know :) |
| 14:02.26 | DPThought | rwhitby: will there be a gta01 build of fso3 too? Im watching the dir index and getting nervous... |
| 14:02.38 | rwhitby | DPThought: the status wiki page says there will be |
| 14:02.40 | timo2k | Tanuva: okay I could disable zhone. I'n not so experienced to modify source directly :( but thanks I'll try.. |
| 14:02.58 | DPThought | rwhitby: thanks |
| 14:02.59 | Tanuva | timo2k: its python, not that hard :) |
| 14:03.12 | rwhitby | DPThought: if not, there will be one on shr.bearstech.com as soon as mickey|bbl does the right thing and releases the source code configuration for the golden build ... |
| 14:03.33 | rwhitby | which he's just done :-) |
| 14:03.43 | timo2k | Tanuva: okay maybe I'll have a look at it |
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| 14:07.43 | Pyrasi | has anyone else noticed that after suspend on 2008.8 you can no longer use bluetooth? |
| 14:07.50 | rwhitby | DPThought: gta01 fso-testing is building now on shr.bearstech.com - let's see if i can beat mickey|bbl to the punch |
| 14:08.35 | Pyrasi | or better yet...does anyone know a workaround for this? |
| 14:08.50 | lindi- | timo2k: well, zhone does the brightness control primarily |
| 14:08.58 | lindi- | timo2k: the source is really easy to modify |
| 14:09.56 | opendeep | rwhitby:the new MokoMakefile does not contain TARGET openmoko-devel-image, ASU. May I know what happend? |
| 14:10.17 | rwhitby | opendeep: it only builds asu now |
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| 14:10.33 | rwhitby | org.openmoko.asu.stable, and openmoko-asu-image |
| 14:10.45 | rwhitby | (or org.openmoko.dev and openmoko-base-image as the bleeding edge alternative) |
| 14:11.25 | opendeep | rwhitby:If i want to build OM2007.2 then I need to use which Makefile? |
| 14:11.50 | rwhitby | opendeep: no longer supported - you can get an old version from the mokomakefile svn repository if you really need to do so |
| 14:12.43 | opendeep | rwhitby: oh, thanks for your kind reply. |
| 14:15.33 | timo2k | okay thanks lindi !! also trying to install XFCE4 as desktop just for fun.. but I need 10MB more space on my card :( 512 MB are too less for debian :) |
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| 14:18.46 | greboides | someone know some website with general instructions for running a home brewed linux with a1200? |
| 14:19.26 | greboides | specially for running a qemu image then flashing it up on phone |
| 14:19.45 | rwhitby | greboides: http://openezx.org/ ? |
| 14:20.10 | greboides | rwhitby: dont you something more specific? |
| 14:20.21 | rwhitby | greboides: nope |
| 14:21.03 | rwhitby | http://wiki.openezx.org/Project_Status shows lots of red still for a1200 |
| 14:23.07 | greboides | well it runs already :) |
| 14:23.30 | Pyrasi | does anyone know a workaround for bluetooth not coming back after suspend on 2008.8? |
| 14:23.50 | greboides | can it boot without internal flash support? |
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| 14:27.32 | rooly | hey, what's the solution for the iso error on om2007? |
| 14:27.34 | rooly | i forgot |
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| 14:32.46 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r9fe3fe5f5166 10/packages/e17/e-wm_svn.bb: [e-wm] Fix the DESCRIPTION as of https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1894 |
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| 14:35.19 | Dave | What's poppin', whitby? |
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| 14:39.02 | me | hi, anybody knows the scancode of aux button? |
| 14:39.33 | lindi- | me: scancode? |
| 14:39.48 | me | lindi-: yes the scancode |
| 14:39.54 | Dave | heh |
| 14:39.59 | Dave | keycode |
| 14:40.03 | nuclear_eclipse | anyone elso having a problem with apm/battery reporting 0% charge? |
| 14:40.05 | me | sorry |
| 14:40.16 | me | Dave: do you know the keycode of aux? XD |
| 14:40.21 | me | lindi-: you? |
| 14:40.21 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse: there's always been problems. |
| 14:40.27 | Dave | me: stop asking! |
| 14:40.48 | me | Dave: lol, sorry, but I need it :( |
| 14:40.56 | Dave | me: it's different depending on gta01/gta02, I don't think OS matters, but it might! |
| 14:41.09 | Dave | look it up on the wiki, otherwise cga has that info, whenever they show up |
| 14:41.15 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: any way to fix it? |
| 14:41.19 | me | Dave: who is cga? |
| 14:41.21 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse: deal with it? |
| 14:41.27 | nuclear_eclipse | I tried a reboot, but it's still only reporting 0% |
| 14:41.28 | Dave | Some crazy italian :) |
| 14:41.33 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse: Ah, yeah |
| 14:41.36 | Dave | I remember that one :) |
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| 14:41.39 | Dave | good times ~_~ |
| 14:41.45 | cga | hi Dave me |
| 14:41.49 | Dave | :O |
| 14:41.52 | cga | what's the matter? |
| 14:41.52 | me | cga: do you know the keycode for aux? |
| 14:42.02 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: it would be nice to know how much battery life I have left, and to know that my Neo isn't constantly trying to overcharge the battery... |
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| 14:42.03 | cga | me: sorry? |
| 14:42.08 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse: do a hot battery swap |
| 14:42.14 | me | cga: I need the keycode for the aux button |
| 14:42.22 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: hot battery swap? |
| 14:42.22 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse: don't worry, it's not |
| 14:42.26 | Dave | it just won't tell you! |
| 14:42.28 | nuclear_eclipse | ok |
| 14:42.28 | Dave | :P~ |
| 14:42.40 | cga | me: not sure what is it but you can check on the wiki where i got the hexes for device |
| 14:42.43 | Dave | Clearly, it's still very annoying and unhelpful |
| 14:42.49 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: what do you mean by hot battery swap? |
| 14:42.52 | me | cga: where? I can't find it |
| 14:42.58 | lindi- | me: it comes from some /dev/input/event*? |
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| 14:43.03 | lindi- | me: so just hexdump that? |
| 14:43.13 | lindi- | me: then X translates it to something too, use xev to see what |
| 14:43.32 | Dave | nuclear wessels: boot up device, connect to power source, remove battery while it's on, and then after a minute, replace it! |
| 14:43.40 | nuclear_eclipse | ah, gotcha |
| 14:43.42 | nuclear_eclipse | thanks Dave |
| 14:43.48 | Dave | yeah, it may work |
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| 14:44.07 | Dave | I found that if you have a second battery, it usually forces it to read the info from a DIFFERENT battery, and it worked, but this should work |
| 14:44.11 | Dave | otherwise, it's just being cranky |
| 14:44.33 | Dave | Note that it may not necessarily reset the read info immediately :P |
| 14:44.38 | Dave | it's kind of slow :) |
| 14:44.40 | me | cga: I can't found infos on the wiki... |
| 14:44.42 | Dave | (if you haven't noticed) |
| 14:44.52 | nuclear_eclipse | ok |
| 14:44.57 | Dave | :P |
| 14:45.10 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse, so, there I was playing net yesterday... |
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| 14:45.22 | nuclear_eclipse | I finally got Net working on AUS :P |
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| 14:45.29 | Dave | :D |
| 14:45.30 | nuclear_eclipse | s/AUS/ASU/ |
| 14:45.35 | Dave | oh sweet |
| 14:45.42 | Dave | not that I use ASU, but sweet |
| 14:45.48 | Dave | now at least it's "usable," right? :P |
| 14:46.04 | nuclear_eclipse | actually, yes, 2008.8 is quite nice to use these days |
| 14:46.11 | cga | me: be patient. i'm busy right now. later i search the code i was talking about |
| 14:46.14 | Dave | oh yeah? |
| 14:46.17 | nuclear_eclipse | I've been using it nonstop for the past coulpe weeks |
| 14:46.30 | nuclear_eclipse | it's rock solid now, it seems |
| 14:46.32 | me | cga: thanks, how can I get the code later? |
| 14:46.33 | Dave | Which, 2008, or net? |
| 14:46.34 | Dave | :P |
| 14:46.36 | me | cga: email? |
| 14:46.37 | nuclear_eclipse | both :) |
| 14:46.41 | Dave | :D |
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| 14:47.24 | Dave | nuclear eclipse, guess what I thought about? :D |
| 14:47.29 | nuclear_eclipse | Dave: it worked! |
| 14:47.35 | cga | me: wiki |
| 14:47.36 | nuclear_eclipse | ty! |
| 14:47.37 | Dave | It did? :) |
| 14:47.39 | Dave | Yay! |
| 14:47.50 | nuclear_eclipse | so, what'd you think bout? |
| 14:47.57 | Dave | yeah, that'll teach that bitch to disrespect you ;p |
| 14:48.01 | me | cga: where do you will put the code in the wiki? |
| 14:48.17 | Dave | So anyway, I considered possibly doing Net in 3d |
| 14:48.25 | Dave | that is, add a third dimension to it |
| 14:48.31 | nuclear_eclipse | hehe, that'd be insanely sweet :) |
| 14:48.38 | Dave | granted it would increase the complexity for the puzzle exponentially |
| 14:48.41 | nuclear_eclipse | yeah |
| 14:48.42 | Dave | but it'd still be awesome :D |
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| 14:49.16 | nuclear_eclipse | I'd considered doing some sort of knock off that had a bit more complex ruleset, but I'm lazy and all... |
| 14:49.22 | Dave | I'm not certain how you'd be able to operate and SEE all the pipes/lines/wire/route without multiple camera angles or occlusion |
| 14:49.28 | Dave | yeah |
| 14:49.32 | cga | me: man you are so stressing and don't understand what i say.... i don't know if the code i'm talking about it's what you need. beside i don't have the wiki page in the cache. you gotta find it yourself since i have no time to search it for you |
| 14:49.43 | Dave | it's simple... well, after you've played and beaten it 5000 times :D |
| 14:49.46 | Dave | yet, we still do! :D |
| 14:50.02 | Dave | dude, the wrapping mode is crazy |
| 14:50.05 | nuclear_eclipse | yeah |
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| 14:50.21 | nuclear_eclipse | I have trouble playing wrapping at more than 7x7, but's it's still fun |
| 14:50.27 | Dave | yeah! |
| 14:50.51 | nuclear_eclipse | I really like the Sudoku app that's included with 2008.8 |
| 14:50.57 | Dave | So hmm, maybe we have some good ideas for Net 2.0 afterall :P |
| 14:51.03 | nuclear_eclipse | it's probably the best Sudoku app I've ever used |
| 14:51.05 | Dave | heh, sudoku :P |
| 14:51.17 | Dave | wow, that's uhh, interesting :) |
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| 14:51.22 | nuclear_eclipse | yet another mindless time waster :P |
| 14:51.33 | Dave | I can't determine whether that's good or sad |
| 14:51.37 | Dave | heh |
| 14:51.37 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 14:51.54 | Dave | the fact it's amazing, or that it came on... your freerunner :P |
| 14:52.02 | greboides | anyone here running some open project on a1200? |
| 14:52.07 | Dave | hahaha, oh god |
| 14:52.19 | Dave | I was just picturing, playing DOOM with the accelerometers during a class |
| 14:52.24 | nuclear_eclipse | hehe |
| 14:52.26 | Dave | I think THAT might be a little bit noticible |
| 14:52.28 | Dave | :p |
| 14:52.39 | Dave | you're like swinging around and chainsawing the person in front of you |
| 14:52.43 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 14:52.48 | Dave | :\ |
| 14:52.55 | Dave | We require more covert means! |
| 14:53.06 | nuclear_eclipse | my only concern was the inability to switch weapons, but the concept was great :) |
| 14:53.32 | Dave | :D |
| 14:53.35 | Dave | hell yeah |
| 14:53.42 | nuclear_eclipse | I could just picture using accels to walk up to hookers in Duke3d and handing them the cash :P |
| 14:53.46 | Tm_T | nuclear_eclipse: why to change away from chainsaw? |
| 14:53.57 | Dave | :) |
| 14:54.08 | Dave | Wolf3d! |
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| 14:54.24 | Dave | GUTENTAG! |
| 14:54.38 | greboides | why the angstrom images for a1200 arent available anymore(if someone has any idea) |
| 14:54.43 | Dave | haha, wow, somehow... that game seems infinitely appropriate here... >:) |
| 14:54.57 | Tm_T | Wolf3D <3 |
| 14:54.59 | Dave | (since we seem to be surrounded by crazy software nazis) |
| 14:55.02 | Dave | Tmt :D |
| 14:55.23 | Tm_T | Dave: erp, "nazi" hilights me |
| 14:55.32 | nuclear_eclipse | now we just need to port Crysis to ARM, and we'll be set! |
| 14:56.10 | Dave | Tmt, ROFL |
| 14:56.18 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse, hahah |
| 14:56.21 | Dave | :P |
| 14:56.34 | Dave | I still think the freerunner needs a lightgun attachment |
| 14:56.38 | Dave | however lame it would be :P |
| 14:56.38 | nuclear_eclipse | agreed |
| 14:56.47 | nuclear_eclipse | the gun'll be bigger than the screen! |
| 14:56.47 | Dave | the screen is TINY |
| 14:56.51 | Dave | yeah |
| 14:56.53 | Dave | but still :P |
| 14:57.02 | Dave | hahaha |
| 14:57.22 | nuclear_eclipse | picture your friend pointing a giant gun at a tiny handheld screen... :D |
| 14:57.27 | Dave | Dear Sean, please make available a VGA port for the GTA04. Thank you, your friends in the community. |
| 14:57.50 | TAsn | Dave, what do you need that for?! |
| 14:58.01 | Dave | hook your gta04 up to a projector, and with usb lightgun, you could play EVERYTHING on the wall! |
| 14:58.04 | Dave | like duckhunt? :P |
| 14:58.09 | nuclear_eclipse | nice :) |
| 14:58.18 | Dave | maybe even doom or something? :| |
| 14:58.30 | gromez | GTA04 will display HD, so we need an hdmi port |
| 14:58.37 | TAsn | gromez, ;0 |
| 14:58.44 | Dave | rofl |
| 14:58.45 | nuclear_eclipse | would love an NES emulator on the Neo, with a USB NES controller :D |
| 14:58.49 | zash | ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH |
| 14:58.52 | Dave | that alone would probably use up all it's power |
| 14:58.57 | TAsn | Dave, don't you think you need processing power first? |
| 14:59.05 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse: it does "run" snes9x |
| 14:59.11 | TAsn | nuclear_eclipse, i think it's possible |
| 14:59.12 | Dave | though it tends to fuck up your display |
| 14:59.12 | TAsn | yeah. |
| 14:59.17 | TAsn | :) |
| 14:59.21 | Dave | and doesn't run well |
| 14:59.24 | nuclear_eclipse | forget SNES, the original NES is where it's at! |
| 14:59.27 | Dave | that and there's a lack of input |
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| 14:59.49 | Dave | man, want to be able to play you motherfuckers in mortal kombat via wifi :P |
| 15:00.04 | Dave | What's next, Neo Live? XD |
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| 15:09.54 | ronny | hi |
| 15:11.31 | ronny | are there any known issues with dfu-util on intrepid? i cant find my moko via usb |
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| 15:12.29 | break-free | ronny, do you have any other devices running on usb? If I have my bluetooth/wifi switch on, dfu-util won't find my openmoko |
| 15:13.50 | ronny | break-free: my wifi-switch is off |
| 15:13.50 | Shlee | Dave: The open pandora..? |
| 15:13.55 | ronny | ah, now it works |
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| 15:17.18 | slaxxin | DAVE just download 100mems Tribes |
| 15:17.33 | slaxxin | 135 megs |
| 15:18.54 | slaxxin | so i put yesterdays openmoko image on an it made it all night in suspend an than recieved a call this morning |
| 15:19.12 | bumbl | raster: ping |
| 15:19.39 | raster | ja |
| 15:19.46 | Torikun | how is the new image? |
| 15:19.46 | raster | awakes |
| 15:20.09 | slaxxin | so now its time to dfu |
| 15:20.23 | bumbl | you speak german? |
| 15:20.40 | bumbl | http://www.golem.de/0809/62323.html this would be a nice feature for illume keyboard |
| 15:21.04 | toggles_w | fso3? |
| 15:21.10 | raster | ich kann |
| 15:21.13 | bumbl | toggles_w: what is with it |
| 15:21.40 | raster | that makes life hard |
| 15:21.56 | toggles_w | i thought it was coming out 1/2hr ago? |
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| 15:21.59 | raster | as swipes are already used for things liek "space/next word, change layout, enter" etc. |
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| 15:22.19 | bumbl | ah |
| 15:23.01 | raster | also on the FR swipes are not that reliable |
| 15:23.06 | Zorkman | I can't ssh in thourh wifi on 2008.8, anybody has a sollution? |
| 15:23.14 | raster | you need to keep a lot of pressure on the screen to keep it as 1 drag |
| 15:23.18 | raster | and not have a "release" |
| 15:23.22 | Torikun | should I ditch Qtopia for the new FR image? |
| 15:23.23 | Zorkman | on the ML somebody said "etc/defaults dropbear is configured to accept connections only from theIP address configured on usb0. I commented this line and put *:22." |
| 15:23.27 | raster | its a real pain in the arse |
| 15:23.39 | raster | basically when u drag |
| 15:23.42 | raster | if you dont press hard |
| 15:23.53 | slaxxin | 50.5 megs |
| 15:24.00 | raster | instead of (for a horizontal drag) of getting thise: |
| 15:24.05 | raster | ----------------------- |
| 15:24.06 | Zorkman | but my /etc/default/dtropbear only has : "DROPBEAR_PORT=`ip addr list usb0 | awk 'BEGIN { FS="[ /]+" } /inet / { print $3 }'`:22 |
| 15:24.07 | raster | you get |
| 15:24.15 | Torikun | raster: slaxxinIs the new image worth moving to from Qtopia? |
| 15:24.15 | raster | ---- ---------- - ---------- - ------- |
| 15:24.30 | bumbl | that sucks |
| 15:24.38 | bumbl | i liked that concept |
| 15:24.39 | slaxxin | just now installing |
| 15:25.25 | raster | bumbl: concept isnt bad |
| 15:25.29 | raster | but it doesnt help much |
| 15:25.31 | raster | really |
| 15:25.35 | raster | just pressing each key |
| 15:25.38 | raster | tap tap tap tap |
| 15:25.42 | raster | works just as nicely |
| 15:25.49 | raster | and it leaves swipes for other things |
| 15:25.56 | raster | where you dont need to be as accurate or reliable |
| 15:25.57 | raster | :) |
| 15:26.03 | OdyX | well... the advantage of Swype (as I see it), is that you have some prediction |
| 15:26.10 | OdyX | you don't have to be really accurate |
| 15:26.19 | raster | you have prediction with taps |
| 15:26.26 | raster | and u dont have to be accurate |
| 15:27.57 | OdyX | the final problem of Swype is that it is probably commercial => non-free (beer and speech) |
| 15:27.58 | OdyX | ... |
| 15:28.09 | OdyX | even copying the idea is probably copyrighted |
| 15:28.14 | raster | nah |
| 15:28.17 | raster | copying ideas is fine |
| 15:28.18 | OdyX | nah ? |
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| 15:28.22 | raster | unless itsa PATENTED |
| 15:28.38 | OdyX | well.. ideas maybe, but the implementation.. |
| 15:28.51 | zash | cries |
| 15:28.55 | zash | fucking microsoft |
| 15:29.03 | zash | pymsnt can't connect |
| 15:29.05 | zash | again |
| 15:29.24 | OdyX | don't use MSN... |
| 15:29.48 | Pjj | what is right now the most stable and usuble image for the freerunner? |
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| 15:29.57 | ronny | btw, will there ever be better booting times? |
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| 15:30.42 | slaxxin | im puttinf on fso mIII |
| 15:30.44 | mwester | ronny: It's been discussed, but I think everyone agrees that it would be best if the device could actually do phone calls and SMSs reliably before it gets tuned!@ |
| 15:31.02 | toggles_w | slaxxin: where is it??? |
| 15:31.05 | OdyX | Pjj: for "me" OM2008.08 |
| 15:31.10 | OdyX | Pjj: but there are plenty |
| 15:31.19 | mwester | Pjj: there is no stable and usable image for the freerunner; they killed the 2007.2 image. |
| 15:31.20 | OdyX | Pjj: if you need to "just phone" => Qtopia |
| 15:31.21 | slaxxin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework |
| 15:31.58 | ronny | [17:31] mwester | ronny: It's been discussed, but I think everyone agrees that it would be best if the device could actually do phone calls and SMSs reliably before it gets tuned!@ |
| 15:32.05 | toggles_w | slaxxin: you have to build it? no prebuilt image? |
| 15:32.24 | Pjj | I have 2007.2 atm but how usable is 2008.8 OdyX |
| 15:32.34 | slaxxin | i had yesterdays 2008.8 and it is the only os that has made it through the night(except fso |
| 15:32.56 | slaxxin | 0 an able to recieve a call the next morning |
| 15:32.59 | Torikun | how is it compared to QTopia |
| 15:33.03 | OdyX | Pjj: just try and _don't use the FR as primary phone_ |
| 15:33.06 | Torikun | worth the switch? |
| 15:33.40 | slaxxin | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ |
| 15:33.43 | slaxxin | sorry |
| 15:33.54 | toggles_w | slaxxin: thanks m8 |
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| 15:34.07 | slaxxin | 1st link was incorrect for image |
| 15:34.14 | zash | oh, milestone 3? |
| 15:34.27 | toggles_w | slaxxin: sweet u rock! |
| 15:34.36 | slaxxin | bytes_per_hash=1059061 |
| 15:34.44 | zash | OdyX: i use xmpp, but "everyone else is using msn" |
| 15:35.02 | OdyX | zash: then uses gateways |
| 15:35.26 | zash | OdyX: pymsnt is a gateway |
| 15:35.36 | OdyX | true ;===) |
| 15:35.39 | zash | OdyX: and ms has done something so it cant connect |
| 15:35.40 | Openfree | HI, i'm tring to boot gentoo on FR, but it says "Warning: unable to open an initial console. |
| 15:35.40 | Openfree | Failed to excute /etc/startup. Attempting defaults... Using lowest clock rate", did i miss something? |
| 15:35.42 | zash | OdyX: again |
| 15:35.52 | Pjj | OdyX, I don't want to use proprietary software, so I can only use my FR as my primary phone |
| 15:36.01 | OdyX | then... go bomb MS HQ ... |
| 15:36.13 | OdyX | Pjj: proprietary phone is better than "no phone" |
| 15:36.14 | OdyX | ... |
| 15:36.58 | cjb | OdyX: that's debatable. |
| 15:37.10 | OdyX | I know :) |
| 15:37.17 | slaxxin | torikun its booting now an dont blame microsoft for wanting to make 4 trillion dollars off of unix |
| 15:37.26 | cjb | OdyX: then don't make fun of people who debate it. |
| 15:37.39 | OdyX | but Real-Life issues and connections with friends _could_ be of more importance than freeness of the phone |
| 15:37.46 | OdyX | cjb: I don't make fun |
| 15:38.02 | slaxxin | so buy a razer then |
| 15:38.14 | OdyX | cjb: I am a FLOSS militant too... But I need to be able to phone... |
| 15:38.14 | cjb | hey, I had no cell phone for most of the last two years until my FR. They aren't that important. |
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| 15:38.27 | slaxxin | that is correct |
| 15:38.32 | ronny | cjb: i couldnt get by any more without a working phone |
| 15:38.32 | OdyX | can be correct. |
| 15:38.37 | mwester | notes that pragmatists tend to be reviled by the zealots, but also tend to win out in the long run. |
| 15:39.07 | cjb | mwester: isn't Windows "pragmatic"? Why aren't we all running it? |
| 15:39.20 | OdyX | cjb: now we have a "reasonable" alternative |
| 15:39.29 | OdyX | it has not always been the case |
| 15:39.34 | slaxxin | windows XP was caused by linux;)) |
| 15:39.35 | cjb | then I guess the zealots won. |
| 15:39.59 | OdyX | nananana... the ones that made GNU/Linux useable for my granma won... |
| 15:39.59 | cjb | since the alternative certainly wasn't created by people who were happy with the status quo and pragmatic and just hanging out. |
| 15:40.03 | mwester | Pragmatic is using what's best for each person. My customers tell me what they want to use; I use that -- then they pay me. And that way I have money to spend on toys, like the freerunner and my other Linux toys. |
| 15:40.18 | OdyX | agrees. |
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| 15:40.54 | OdyX | cjb: using a non-free phone doesn't prevent me to help the openmoko community |
| 15:40.59 | cjb | Okay, so you live to optimize for buying yourself toys. Maybe that's why you're falling out with the zealots. :) |
| 15:41.03 | slaxxin | booting fso III |
| 15:41.19 | mwester | cjb: of course. It's all about enlightened self-interest. |
| 15:41.28 | cjb | OdyX: yeah? I don't really see how, but okay, I wasn't trying to tell you what to do. |
| 15:41.40 | Pjj | OdyX, I don't agree :) |
| 15:41.59 | OdyX | cjb: I oppose "being fanatic and try to only use my FR even if not really useable" and "use another phone for real-life and try to make my FR as useable as my actual" |
| 15:42.29 | slaxxin | its a dev product dont u get it? |
| 15:42.51 | slaxxin | its in the first line when u buy |
| 15:42.54 | OdyX | I have real-life responsabilities that assume that I am connectable by mobile phone |
| 15:42.55 | cjb | OdyX: right, I don't think many people would argue that you're being a bad person by doing that. I think you've inferred that I think you should only have a FR from me only having a FR, which assumes I'm willing to tell you how to live. |
| 15:43.07 | slaxxin | buy a nokia then |
| 15:43.10 | cjb | s/would argue/would think/ |
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| 15:43.59 | slaxxin | now we have a black/white pong |
| 15:44.01 | cjb | and I'm not doing that. I'm a pragmatist in that I recognize that I'm able to only use free software, and some other people are not only able to use free software, and it's not really appropriate for me to criticize them for that. |
| 15:44.08 | OdyX | anyway... the word is "tolerance" ;) I can understand the zealots but I wait from them that they at least try to understand my POV. |
| 15:44.21 | cjb | sure. I didn't hear anyone disparage your POV :) |
| 15:44.27 | OdyX | fine then ! |
| 15:44.29 | OdyX | ;)= |
| 15:45.07 | OdyX | note that I always refused to use acrobat flash and I patiently waited for gnash and swfdec to see the dumb youtube ;) |
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| 15:45.18 | OdyX | I can be zealot in other domains too |
| 15:45.25 | ronny | anyone knows how to play that fscking physics game thats in fso ? |
| 15:45.44 | cjb | ronny: bring up the keyboard, use space to start it |
| 15:45.48 | cjb | after you draw |
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| 15:46.38 | ronny | cjb: and how does one undo ? |
| 15:46.43 | ronny | oO |
| 15:46.48 | cjb | OdyX: right. so, I don't own or drive a car, because I think fewer people should drive cars, but at the same time I'm pretty aware that not needing a car is a luxury. many people do have to travel far for work or have to have one for young children and so on. |
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| 15:46.53 | cjb | ronny: 'r' or 'u' or something. |
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| 15:47.12 | ronny | is it normal that the moko powers off on regular basis if the akku is low? |
| 15:47.18 | slaxxin | 6 icons on zhone |
| 15:47.19 | OdyX | cjb: respecteable. |
| 15:47.27 | ronny | (i got it on my laptop for usb charging |
| 15:47.39 | Tanuva | ronny: yes, if its really low |
| 15:47.50 | slaxxin | now theres a utilites icon |
| 15:47.59 | Tanuva | ronny: but after some minutes it should stay up |
| 15:48.29 | ronny | how long does a full recharge need again? |
| 15:49.14 | Tanuva | a few hours I'd say, never measured |
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| 15:49.36 | OdyX | depends on what you use... |
| 15:49.44 | OdyX | without anything powered... it should last 8-10 hours |
| 15:49.51 | slaxxin | calander button does nothing but the other buttons that previosly didnt work now have functions |
| 15:49.53 | OdyX | with the GPS, no more than 2.5 hours |
| 15:50.07 | Tanuva | OdyX: he's talking about charging, not DIScharging :) |
| 15:50.15 | wurp2|working | OdyX: !?! I get a lot more than 2.5 hours on my gta01 with gps on |
| 15:50.19 | OdyX | right right right |
| 15:50.38 | Mononoke | cca 5~7 hours with gps here |
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| 15:50.48 | OdyX | wurp2|working: well... dunno... the last time I tried, I had nothing more... but maybe bluetooth &or WiFi were on. |
| 15:50.55 | wurp2|working | Yeah, I get about 4 hours w/ gps on |
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| 15:51.12 | slaxxin | tichy gives a application error |
| 15:51.24 | wurp2|working | OdyX: There might have been a cpu issue, too. Having the bus or cpu maxed will make a big difference on power consumption |
| 15:51.42 | slaxxin | reboot |
| 15:51.43 | wurp2|working | OdyX: And, of course, the biggest offendor - backlight |
| 15:51.52 | OdyX | right |
| 15:53.08 | Dave | slaxxin ;p |
| 15:53.11 | Dave | rasterman! |
| 15:54.16 | Dave | haha ronny |
| 15:55.26 | Dave | oh man, texas is about to get dumped on. |
| 15:55.35 | PermBan | The band?? |
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| 15:56.16 | slaxxin | 2 .5 minuits to desktop |
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| 15:57.10 | slaxxin | utilites menu has a default an silent choice |
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| 16:01.52 | slaxxin | silent setting didnt cgange the ring/vibrate setting |
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| 16:03.34 | slaxxin | maybe we can just order motherboards when the newer motherboards come out just for being testers |
| 16:03.53 | Dave | beagle woof? |
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| 16:07.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03trevi55 * ra7fcab8f3b1f 10/src/libraries/qtopiapim/qphonenumber.cpp: [phonenumber] Wrong matching of itialian phone numbers |
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| 16:07.41 | Dave | haha |
| 16:07.45 | Dave | damn italians :p |
| 16:07.51 | Dave | hear that, cga? :P |
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| 16:08.07 | m3 | cga: are you there? |
| 16:08.15 | Dave | oh great |
| 16:08.30 | m3 | Dave: what? |
| 16:08.43 | Dave | Nevermind :) |
| 16:09.54 | m3 | Dave: have you tried my gnuboy compiled exe? |
| 16:10.03 | Dave | huh? |
| 16:10.06 | Dave | doubtful |
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| 16:14.52 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r268f65984500 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia, Erin's, Charlie's and a user patch |
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| 16:16.07 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd1169085252f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [python-etk] Bump up the revision of python-etk to 8d36de2726003ad0356056fcf3ede5f2d3f4fca7 |
| 16:16.07 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r38a1a6c5acae 10/packages/efl1/edje_svn.bb: [edje-utils] (#1716) Add RDEPENDS to edje-utils |
| 16:16.08 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r76c7473b2713 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia, Erin's, Charlie's and a user patch |
| 16:16.29 | m3 | Dave: you can download it from here http://www.thomasbertani.it/openmoko/gnuboy-1.0.3.tar.gz |
| 16:17.10 | slaxxin | the power button shows charge by lighting up |
| 16:19.51 | m3 | Dave: do you tried it? |
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| 16:21.30 | Mononoke | fso3 does not have nice splash ;.; |
| 16:23.13 | Tanuva | who wants a splash if it actually *works*? |
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| 16:24.41 | mwester | Splash screens are like paint on a house -- it's not something you should do until the house is actually built. |
| 16:25.19 | cga | fso3 is out?? |
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| 16:25.50 | OdyX | mwester: yeah, but when you build a house, you know (or you should know) that at the end, you'll paint it from the top to the bottom |
| 16:25.59 | OdyX | infrastructure for the splash has to be ready.. |
| 16:26.21 | Dave | m3, no, I haven't tried it. What is it? |
| 16:26.41 | Dave | cga, sssh, it's a secret! |
| 16:27.08 | cga | ohps sorry XD |
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| 16:30.55 | yamitenshi | hey, could there be anything besides the MicroSD slot preventing the GPS antenna from getting a good fix? There's no SD card in the slot, I have the most recent kernel, and still I've been running openmoko-agpsui for 32 minutes straight without a fix =\ |
| 16:31.14 | Dave | YAMI! |
| 16:31.35 | Dave | Yami, have you been running it outside? |
| 16:31.39 | Dave | are you running fso? |
| 16:31.44 | Dave | is your antenna broken? |
| 16:31.48 | Dave | :) |
| 16:31.57 | bumbl | yamitenshi: yes there are some further bugs |
| 16:32.13 | yamitenshi | antenna works fine, I think, since it does get a fix, and after the first fix it works perfectly |
| 16:32.29 | Dave | oh good |
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| 16:32.32 | Dave | then why complain? |
| 16:32.34 | Dave | just how slow it is? |
| 16:32.57 | yamitenshi | over 30 minutes, every time |
| 16:33.03 | yamitenshi | inside or outside |
| 16:33.14 | yamitenshi | I'm running OM 2008.8 with the newest kernel |
| 16:33.24 | mattl | 30 mins to do what? |
| 16:33.53 | Weiss | yamitenshi: do you get the time (UTC field) or see anything in any of the other tabs, e.g. the individual satellite signal strengths? |
| 16:34.03 | yamitenshi | matt1: to get a first fix |
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| 16:34.15 | mattl | what's a first fix? :) |
| 16:34.42 | Weiss | how much "outside"? getting a fix for me is hard if i just stand outside my front door with buildings covering most of the sky. if i stand in the middle of the park it takes seconds |
| 16:34.47 | wurp2|working | the first time the gps gives you coordinates after you start it up |
| 16:35.13 | mattl | aha. it took a fair while for me too. |
| 16:35.31 | wurp2|working | Well, he means *every time* he turns it on, it takes 30 min |
| 16:35.34 | yamitenshi | Weiss: somewhat in front of my school, on the middle of an open space, with the closest interference at >5 metres away |
| 16:35.50 | yamitenshi | it finds no sattelites at all until about 40 to 50 minutes after I start |
| 16:36.02 | ShellEvil | yamitenshi: you're on earth? |
| 16:36.07 | Tanuva | LOL |
| 16:36.22 | sicu | i could really do with a fix rightaboutnow |
| 16:36.27 | wurp2|working | It should be storing calendar & ephemeris after it gets a fix, then it shoul be superfast (if it's within 30 minutes after last fix) or fast (if it's within some weeks of last fix) iirc |
| 16:36.43 | ShellEvil | couple of weeks IIRC |
| 16:36.53 | Weiss | wurp2|working: afaik OM doesn't do that yet though? the u-blox chip doesn't do it at all without software support |
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| 16:36.54 | yamitenshi | ShellEvil: I'm pretty sure I am, unless Telfort Internet provides connections on Mars too :P |
| 16:36.56 | Tanuva | at least if your location doesn't change significantly |
| 16:37.15 | wurp2|working | Weiss: I saw someone talking about coding for that recently |
| 16:37.26 | wurp2|working | Weiss: I don't really follow it, since I have a gta01 |
| 16:37.29 | yamitenshi | wurp2|working: well, IIRC the chip has no flash memory, so it needs to start all over again once you turn it off and on again |
| 16:37.43 | Weiss | wurp2|working: yeah, i saw that as well - just a PoC at the moment IIRC.. i'll be following it with interest :) |
| 16:37.44 | yamitenshi | ah, nvm that xD |
| 16:37.49 | ShellEvil | yamitenshi: uynless the software re-uploads the ephemirihgghgienfbgiugjhgbng. |
| 16:37.56 | ShellEvil | can't spell that word. |
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| 16:38.06 | yamitenshi | lol :') |
| 16:38.53 | yamitenshi | ShellEvil: I'm supposed to have a script for that, but I still need to supply it with the approximate position of my home, which is pretty much impossible for me without a fix :') |
| 16:39.05 | ShellEvil | yamitenshi: google maps |
| 16:39.26 | wurp2|working | can't either, apparently. It's ephemeris. |
| 16:39.53 | Weiss | yamitenshi: i recommend going to the most open space you can find (maximum possible amount of sky visible, nothing around that could possibly reflect) (a park i walk through on my way to work is very good - some hundreds of metres square), sit down and put the FR on the ground and don't disturb it for at least 20 mins. i'd definitely expect it to work with that... |
| 16:40.20 | Weiss | yamitenshi: also, i've had some problems with Settings saying GPS is on when actually it's not, or spontaneously going off etc - try switching it off and on a few times |
| 16:40.39 | Weiss | yamitenshi: also try other programs e.g. TangoGPS (which can also tell you the number of satellites visible) |
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| 16:41.11 | yamitenshi | Weiss: yeah, I've tried with openmoko-agpsui, the locations program that comes with 2008.8, and tangoGPS |
| 16:41.15 | greboides | will there be any of those milestone 3 image for a780 also? |
| 16:41.16 | Weiss | that's all based on my own experience. getting a first fix with interference is really a very hard thing to do.. |
| 16:41.58 | yamitenshi | the first tells me it gets a fix after about 45 mins, the second just complains about not being able to get a fix at all, and tangogps really says nothing I can make anything of |
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| 16:43.13 | break-free | anyone know how to change the ringer in ASU? It's obnoxious |
| 16:43.59 | yamitenshi | break-free: IIRC you can use a terminal to change the pulse audio settings, not sure though |
| 16:44.43 | cga | can't wait to try fso m3 0/ |
| 16:45.17 | Weiss | break-free: poking suggests looking in /opt/Qtopia/etc/SystemRingTones/ - i think the audio system (software wise) is a lot different to 2007.2, which most of the tutorials seem to be written for |
| 16:45.27 | bumbl | cga: it looks quite good |
| 16:45.35 | bumbl | tichy crashes on startup though |
| 16:46.02 | Weiss | break-free: there is probably a proper way to do it though... |
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| 16:48.35 | slaxxin | yea im getting errors with fso mIII |
| 16:48.46 | Torikun | Just flashed to the latest 20080910 |
| 16:48.55 | slaxxin | MIII |
| 16:48.57 | slaxxin | ? |
| 16:49.05 | break-free | Weiss, thanks. |
| 16:49.41 | slaxxin | zhone crashed to |
| 16:49.47 | slaxxin | rebooting |
| 16:50.14 | slaxxin | torikun is that fsoIII |
| 16:50.39 | Torikun | ASU |
| 16:50.56 | slaxxin | the one from yesterday seemed to work |
| 16:51.00 | cga | bumbl: good to know |
| 16:51.09 | cga | bumbl: you trying right now? |
| 16:51.22 | cga | trying it* |
| 16:51.34 | slaxxin | i am |
| 16:51.56 | cga | do really sms and calls work??? |
| 16:52.05 | cga | that's what it could make me switch |
| 16:52.34 | slaxxin | calls do |
| 16:52.46 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.51 | cga | c'mon text someone!! :P |
| 16:53.12 | Torikun | text me |
| 16:53.23 | cga | =) |
| 16:53.38 | cga | so you can try both incoming and outgoing |
| 16:53.53 | Torikun | I wanna text someone |
| 16:53.55 | Torikun | !!! |
| 16:54.20 | cga | Torikun: if you were in italy i would have gladly exchanged some test text |
| 16:54.45 | Torikun | oh man, dam ocean =( |
| 16:55.11 | Torikun | WHERE IS PANGEA! |
| 16:55.52 | bumbl | yes |
| 16:56.17 | cga | bumbl: yes what? |
| 16:56.22 | bumbl | it works |
| 16:56.27 | cga | sms and calls? |
| 16:56.33 | cga | woooohhooooooooo!!! |
| 16:56.35 | bumbl | I haven't tested the phoning facilities yet |
| 16:56.47 | cga | going to install as soon as it get uploaded |
| 16:56.49 | OdyX | is flashing fso-ms3 |
| 16:56.49 | pooze | viq: thanks for the reply. had to leave for a while, so didn't see it until now. you answered my question some 5 hours ago, which you probably already forgot. ;) |
| 16:56.50 | bumbl | but they work on my fso unstable |
| 16:57.00 | sicu | since when didn't sms'ing work across the ocean ... ? |
| 16:57.05 | bumbl | which is near the ms3 |
| 16:57.19 | bumbl | cga: it has already been uploaded |
| 16:57.27 | cga | oh nice |
| 16:57.44 | cga | refrehsed the page |
| 16:58.02 | bumbl | it should be there since yesterda |
| 16:58.03 | cga | it is there emo!!! it is there!!! (cit. Elephants Dream) |
| 16:58.04 | bumbl | y |
| 16:58.42 | bumbl | ah no |
| 16:58.54 | bumbl | for gta02 since ~11:00 |
| 16:59.26 | cga | bumbl: mmmm the jff2 is not there |
| 16:59.39 | cga | gta02 at least |
| 16:59.47 | cga | is it summary ok? |
| 17:00.35 | CVirus | OdyX: how is it going so far ? |
| 17:00.44 | greboides | is it only for gta? |
| 17:00.53 | slaxxin | calander doesn't work |
| 17:00.56 | CVirus | how long does it take to flash ? |
| 17:01.01 | CVirus | slaxxin: ms3 ? |
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| 17:01.29 | toggles_w | oh yeah, fso 3 |
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| 17:02.17 | cga | bumbl: is *.jffs2.summary the rootfs? should i wait for *.jffs2? |
| 17:03.10 | slaxxin | yup |
| 17:03.38 | slaxxin | looks like theses a shutdown option in zhone |
| 17:03.52 | slaxxin | its small |
| 17:04.03 | lindi- | cga: file -sL *jffs2.summary |
| 17:04.06 | OdyX | cga: AFAIK .summary has always been the image for the rootfs |
| 17:04.20 | slaxxin | 50 megs |
| 17:04.59 | slaxxin | havent recieved a sms yet |
| 17:05.14 | cga | lindi-: OdyX: ok thanks. |
| 17:05.48 | Zorkman_ | when clicking on the buttom right side of the screen in duke 3d it always crashes |
| 17:05.54 | Zorkman_ | somebody else had this problem? |
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| 17:08.44 | sirex` | Is there a way to reset Neo FreeRunner without removing battery? |
| 17:08.53 | Tanuva | sirex`: no |
| 17:09.07 | CVirus | reset ? |
| 17:09.11 | sirex` | Restart... |
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| 17:09.25 | CVirus | the power button doesn't do that ? |
| 17:09.40 | CVirus | can't you ssh and reboot ? |
| 17:09.45 | sirex` | I ofteng getting kernel panic, and any thing, except removing battery, didn'd work. |
| 17:09.56 | TAsn | oh |
| 17:09.57 | CVirus | no clue |
| 17:10.11 | TAsn | well i think you can only do it with removing the bat |
| 17:10.40 | sirex` | Ok, at least, now I will know, that there is no other way to do it.. :) |
| 17:10.43 | TAsn | since i think the kernel is in charge of everything (that's for instance why you can't charge when the phone is off) |
| 17:10.53 | OdyX | boots FSO-MS3 |
| 17:10.59 | Dave | :D |
| 17:11.01 | Dave | It's a trap! |
| 17:11.04 | TAsn | sirex`, hey, i didn't say there isn't ! :) i just think there probably isn't. |
| 17:11.11 | TAsn | OdyX, tell use what you think man. |
| 17:11.11 | TAsn | ;0 |
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| 17:11.43 | OdyX | well. The screen is fantastic Its DPI's are just amazing ! |
| 17:11.45 | OdyX | ;) |
| 17:12.59 | OdyX | The "loading animation" should have changed but is still smooth |
| 17:13.01 | sirex` | Is there are plans, to make kron work? Because alarm application, simply didn't work when device is in suspend mode. |
| 17:13.16 | sirex` | cron* |
| 17:13.31 | toggles_w | how do i get opgk to work? i can't seem to find the wiki page |
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| 17:13.50 | OdyX | yay... 6 buttons in the main screen and status messages ! |
| 17:14.10 | TAsn | OdyX, what's there? |
| 17:14.12 | OdyX | tangogps and numptyphysics included ! |
| 17:14.17 | TAsn | cool! |
| 17:14.29 | TAsn | can you opkg for anything you want? |
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| 17:14.38 | OdyX | There is hpone, contacts (SIM), SMS, calendar, GPS, config |
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| 17:15.03 | Dave | woo |
| 17:15.36 | Tanuva | argh, tangogps crashes regularly while downloading ~4000 tiles... |
| 17:15.44 | Chocky | bitches. |
| 17:15.55 | Chocky | Om2008 blows goats. bbq |
| 17:15.56 | Chocky | + Dave |
| 17:16.07 | wurp2|working | tangogps always crashes on me when I try to create a POI |
| 17:16.22 | wurp2|working | Is that just because I'm running an old version, or does the latest do that, too? |
| 17:18.11 | Tanuva | and once again it crashed. gotta start from terminal... |
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| 17:19.59 | OdyX | after an upgrade, only 5 icons left |
| 17:20.00 | OdyX | ;) |
| 17:21.38 | TAsn | do you find it the most usable distro? |
| 17:22.05 | Mononoke | probably latest official |
| 17:22.16 | slaxxin | yay tango works |
| 17:22.21 | TAsn | let's review it's features for a sec, it has contacts, phone log, sms and a browser? |
| 17:22.33 | Mononoke | sure |
| 17:22.48 | TAsn | Mononoke, im talking about ms3... |
| 17:23.27 | Mononoke | ah hmm.. |
| 17:23.39 | Mononoke | I don't see phone log there |
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| 17:24.50 | Tanuva | thinks about trying to install debian testing instead of unstable/experimental... |
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| 17:27.05 | Q4eq8rsa | hi all |
| 17:27.13 | OdyX | ls |
| 17:27.21 | slaxxin | root@om-gta02:~# ping -c 4 www.slackware.com |
| 17:27.21 | slaxxin | PING www.slackware.com (64.57.102.34): 56 data bytes |
| 17:27.21 | slaxxin | 64 bytes from 64.57.102.34: seq=0 ttl=51 time=99.169 ms |
| 17:27.25 | OdyX | woops... taught I was in console ;) |
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| 17:28.59 | cga | mmmmmm is the alt parameter for uImage -a kernel on dfu-util???? it gives me an error |
| 17:29.16 | cga | No such Alternate Setting: "kernel" |
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| 17:29.32 | Tanuva | cga: retry, I had that once, too |
| 17:29.55 | Tanuva | hmm... tangogps quits with a segfault... |
| 17:30.02 | cga | ok Tanuva thanks =) |
| 17:30.09 | Tanuva | ...and navit has errors uncompressing its binary maps |
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| 17:30.27 | cga | yep it works |
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| 17:30.48 | Tanuva | same with rootfs, it occurs once in a time :) |
| 17:31.19 | cga | flashing FSO ms3 on his Neo =) |
| 17:31.25 | TAsn | cga, aaa |
| 17:31.35 | TAsn | review it when it's done ;0 |
| 17:31.37 | Tanuva | thinks about returning to fsom3, too |
| 17:31.38 | cga | ok |
| 17:31.53 | Tanuva | is there mpd in the ipkg repos? |
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| 17:37.08 | PhaiQua7 | Does booting from SDHC work with recent u-boot versions? |
| 17:37.22 | Tanuva | yes |
| 17:38.52 | bumbl | yes |
| 17:38.55 | slaxxin | well sms i couldnt make work on fso MIII |
| 17:39.04 | bumbl | but when the kernel suspends |
| 17:39.09 | PhaiQua7 | coz i get a bad checksum error |
| 17:39.14 | bumbl | it might earase the partition table |
| 17:39.22 | PhaiQua7 | i checked md5sums the kernel is a good copy |
| 17:39.53 | PhaiQua7 | i also got the most recent u-boot |
| 17:40.06 | TAsn | what sd card? |
| 17:40.10 | slaxxin | as long as the 1 u get is a good copy everything is good |
| 17:40.11 | Tanuva | slaxxin: sms already works on m2 for me, except notification on new ones |
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| 17:40.35 | slaxxin | maybe its just operator malfunction |
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| 17:40.53 | slaxxin | i have not used sms at all |
| 17:41.23 | slaxxin | but a friend tried to message me an i have not recieved it |
| 17:41.33 | PhaiQua7 | TAsn: sandisk 4gb |
| 17:41.58 | TAsn | PhaiQua7, have you checked the wiki page if you can boot off that one? |
| 17:42.36 | PhaiQua7 | I can, I already booted debian off it |
| 17:43.03 | TAsn | ok so you already know the answer to: <PhaiQua7> Does booting from SDHC work with recent u-boot versions? |
| 17:43.32 | PhaiQua7 | the image I want to boot is Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.uimage.bin |
| 17:43.53 | PhaiQua7 | I dont know wether it works with standard .uimage.bin |
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| 17:44.05 | PhaiQua7 | debian does something strange apparently |
| 17:44.09 | lloyd_fedora | when is milestone 3 gonna be released ?? |
| 17:44.40 | sicu | it is, just not announced yet |
| 17:45.07 | lloyd_fedora | sicu: where can i get it from ? |
| 17:46.01 | sicu | in downloads.openmoko.org with all the rest of them |
| 17:46.08 | sicu | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ |
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| 17:46.28 | lloyd_fedora | sicu: thanks |
| 17:46.46 | sicu | lloyd_fedora: np |
| 17:46.56 | Tanuva | hmm... isnt there something as tangogps with simpler map download? :/ |
| 17:48.49 | PhaiQua7 | I tried a different image, gives me "wrong image format for bootm command" what does that mean? |
| 17:49.28 | slaxxin | state sections would be nice |
| 17:50.03 | slaxxin | things are looking better |
| 17:50.17 | slaxxin | good job people |
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| 17:52.56 | PhaiQua7 | TAsn: got any idea what "wrong image format for bootm command" means? |
| 17:53.13 | PhaiQua7 | and how to get around it? |
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| 17:54.06 | TAsn | PhaiQua7, actually, im only getting mine on the day after tomorrow ;) |
| 17:54.11 | TAsn | so, nope, no idea. |
| 17:54.22 | TAsn | all the tips i can give you are from what i read in the wiki. |
| 17:54.30 | TAsn | if it's not there, i don't know it. |
| 17:54.37 | PhaiQua7 | ok, have fun |
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| 17:55.02 | delfin_ | hallo wo kann man die lotto zahlen sehen??? |
| 17:55.24 | Tanuva | delfin_: guck ausm fenster |
| 17:56.19 | delfin_ | man bist du witzig |
| 17:56.53 | Tanuva | delfin_: aber du, he? |
| 17:56.57 | delfin_ | weiss das jetzt jemand oder ncuiht |
| 17:57.06 | delfin_ | jaja ich immer |
| 17:57.10 | Tanuva | was soll denn die frage hier? ;) |
| 17:57.37 | delfin_ | egal |
| 17:57.43 | Tanuva | stimmt. |
| 18:00.56 | Mononoke | fso is quite good in not eating cpu |
| 18:01.06 | Mononoke | maybe because of not using pulseaudio |
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| 18:06.25 | LionKMP | Hi, I have a full linux desktop on my Neo, how to restore to normal operation? (All I did is installing illume keyboard according to Wiki) |
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| 18:10.17 | Tanuva | watches fsom3 booting |
| 18:10.36 | Tanuva | oh. it actually just finished. |
| 18:11.02 | Tanuva | *g* |
| 18:11.19 | Tanuva | 1. click tichy 2. watch the "loading" screen 3. return to an enlightenment error message |
| 18:11.36 | cjb | oh, it's released? |
| 18:11.56 | Tanuva | not officially, but the images are there |
| 18:12.00 | cjb | cool. |
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| 18:13.34 | Dave | cjb :) |
| 18:15.13 | Mononoke | Tanuva: if you run tichy from console you can see that it misses some python stuff |
| 18:15.46 | Mononoke | ImportError: No module named table << |
| 18:17.49 | Dave | hah |
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| 18:18.33 | Tanuva | Mononoke: hmm... |
| 18:18.47 | LionKMP | how do I start illume config program? |
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| 18:19.16 | Dave | sup Lion king? |
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| 18:19.55 | LionKMP | Dave: my Neo went mad and I have a complete enlightement desktop now :( with menu, virtual screen swither, etc :-p |
| 18:20.02 | Tanuva | *g* |
| 18:20.13 | Dave | isn't that a good thing? |
| 18:20.39 | cga | the yin yang at fso loading sucks big time |
| 18:20.44 | LionKMP | hehe no, it does not really work. (and the menu is not really opening) |
| 18:20.45 | cga | very cheesy |
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| 18:22.01 | LionKMP | hehe if I start "settings" from the menu, the usual neo settings page comes up, in a window! |
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| 18:24.44 | LionKMP | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:29.53 | yamitenshi | mmm... I've been speculating, and I think the FR should have a cloaking field generator, so I can play minesweeper during class without getting bugged by annoying students and annoyed teachers :) |
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| 18:30.25 | AntonTakk | yamitenshi: cloaking requires a lot of power, perhaps just a sep field? |
| 18:32.24 | Dave | Yami :) |
| 18:32.38 | Dave | Yami, add it to the wishlist |
| 18:32.47 | Dave | but I think it's already on there :P |
| 18:33.03 | Tanuva | wants a fso image that doesnt just pretend to be able to suspend... |
| 18:33.18 | yamitenshi | Dave: there is a teleporter on it :P |
| 18:33.26 | AntonTakk | Tanuva: tried ms3 yet? |
| 18:33.33 | yamitenshi | AntonTakk: so how about we build in a cold fusion reactor first? :) |
| 18:33.36 | Tanuva | thats whats actually running |
| 18:33.37 | Dave | :D |
| 18:34.10 | AntonTakk | yamitenshi: hrm, perhaps, might solve battery life issues in the process |
| 18:34.34 | ernst | http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=mUi30MX6CeI |
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| 18:35.40 | Tanuva | opkg tells me "failed to download, error 0" - error 0 means success according to the wiki. but it works so fast, it CANT be successful... |
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| 18:43.41 | cga | how do i compose text messages with fso? |
| 18:43.47 | cga | can't find the option |
| 18:44.52 | Tanuva | pop up the keyboard |
| 18:44.59 | Tanuva | upper left, "qwerty" |
| 18:45.09 | cga | k thanks |
| 18:45.22 | Tanuva | ahno, you mean how to get to the new message dialogue, dont you? |
| 18:45.36 | cga | indeed |
| 18:45.57 | Tanuva | open the messages panel, click bottom middle button :) |
| 18:46.16 | Dave | haha cga |
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| 18:46.22 | Dave | watch out |
| 18:46.32 | Dave | we'll send you text messages! |
| 18:46.45 | Tanuva | and he wont be able to open them... |
| 18:46.54 | cga | gh |
| 18:46.56 | Tanuva | that must be frustrating. |
| 18:47.47 | Dave | :D |
| 18:47.49 | Tanuva | would love to know why his opkg tells him about error 0 (success) but doesn't download indices... |
| 18:47.50 | Dave | hahahahaha |
| 18:47.52 | Dave | >:) |
| 18:48.01 | Dave | Tanuva, FAILURE |
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| 18:48.26 | Tanuva | cga: can you ping hostnames from fsom3? ping only works with ips here |
| 18:48.39 | Dave | What |
| 18:48.40 | yamitenshi | Tanuva: make sure resolv.conf holds the correct values |
| 18:48.40 | cga | gonna try |
| 18:48.44 | AntonTakk | Tanuva: add a nameserver to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:48.47 | Dave | Is everything broken in ms3? |
| 18:48.50 | Tanuva | AntonTakk: I did |
| 18:48.59 | AntonTakk | Tanuva: restart networking? |
| 18:49.05 | Tanuva | already rebooted |
| 18:49.07 | Dave | yami, make sure the flux capacitor is set to max :P |
| 18:49.17 | yamitenshi | Tanuva: 0 meas something like "unable to find the server" |
| 18:49.19 | AntonTakk | Dave: no, not everything works 100%, but it is far from all broken |
| 18:49.30 | Dave | :D |
| 18:49.33 | AntonTakk | Tanuva: nameserver still in resolv.conf? |
| 18:49.37 | Dave | Doesn't sound like 2008.8 then :P |
| 18:49.45 | Tanuva | AntonTakk: no, it's not. >.< |
| 18:49.49 | yamitenshi | Dave: not until I have the right matter/antimatter mix |
| 18:49.52 | AntonTakk | Tanuva: :) |
| 18:49.53 | Dave | XD |
| 18:50.14 | AntonTakk | Tanuva: add this to the end of the usb0 stuff in /etc/network/interfaces: |
| 18:50.25 | AntonTakk | up echo nameserver 4.2.2.2 > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:50.27 | Tanuva | AntonTakk: and I forgot to add "nameserver " in front of the ip in resolv.conf. dumb me... *g* |
| 18:50.35 | cga | man , i can't find the illume config thing |
| 18:50.46 | Tanuva | AntonTakk: thatsa good idea, thanks :) |
| 18:50.49 | cga | i did config just 5 minutes ago |
| 18:50.57 | cga | but i can't find it anymore |
| 18:51.14 | Dave | cga lost his marbles. |
| 18:51.19 | cga | gh |
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| 18:51.49 | cga | ohps.... |
| 18:51.53 | cga | there it is |
| 18:52.19 | Dave | throws freerunners at yamitenshi |
| 18:52.43 | TAsn | Dave, wtf are you doing?! |
| 18:52.44 | yamitenshi | catches freerunners |
| 18:52.45 | TAsn | ;0 |
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| 18:52.58 | yamitenshi | Dave: you were about to destroy precious technology :o |
| 18:53.12 | Tanuva | yamitenshi would make many people happy by selling all-1 *g* |
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| 18:55.10 | donomo | anyone know who updates http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D |
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| 18:55.33 | donomo | the last few images are GTA-01. I'm hoping to get a refreshed GTA-02 daily build for FSO |
| 18:57.02 | sicu | Dave: blunt force trauma ... throwing freerunners is a dangerous pastime |
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| 19:01.15 | Tanuva | so lets see if fso's tangogps can handle downloading 4000 tiles |
| 19:02.23 | ecraven | can anyone tell me the correct settings for CARCH, CHOST, CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS when cross-compiling for the FR? |
| 19:04.20 | yamitenshi | ecraven: should be automatically handled by the scripts deliverd with the toolchain |
| 19:05.01 | viq | What is the device for the built in "disk" on ASU? |
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| 19:05.23 | ecraven | yamitenshi: i'm not using the toolchain ;) |
| 19:05.31 | ecraven | i'm trying to get arch linux to cross-compile itself |
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| 19:05.55 | ecraven | viq: one of /dev/mtd? i think |
| 19:06.22 | viq | Thanks, let me see |
| 19:07.01 | ecraven | probably 2 or 3 |
| 19:08.16 | yamitenshi | ecraven: why not use the toolchain? I'd assume that makes things a lot easier =\ |
| 19:11.27 | lindi- | ecraven: sounds like a huge task. what do you do with packages that compile helper programs and then run those helper programs during build process? |
| 19:11.31 | cga | FSO ms3 is nice but not usable yet. going to remove it and get back to (sad i know) qtopia |
| 19:12.13 | ecraven | lindi-: no idea :) i'm just starting |
| 19:12.26 | ecraven | just wanted to see whether it works |
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| 19:13.13 | viq | ecraven: hm, no, doesn't seem to do it |
| 19:13.39 | cga | ok night folks |
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| 19:16.14 | ernst | http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3KsgWJKygLc |
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| 19:19.06 | ecraven | hm.. looks like a *lot* of effort would be involved.. guess i'll wait for someone else to do it :) |
| 19:23.42 | ecraven | are there daily images of FSO? |
| 19:25.11 | gromez | ecraven: http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/images/neo1973/ |
| 19:25.48 | Mononoke | numptyphysics is great |
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| 19:28.44 | ecraven | gromez: great, thanks! |
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| 19:29.38 | gromez | just tried FSO MS3, it works fine, faster than om2008.8 |
| 19:30.17 | gromez | but I couldn't launch the text message tool through zhone |
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| 19:30.30 | gromez | icon is disabled |
| 19:31.49 | Dave | ECRAVEN! |
| 19:32.11 | Dave | sicu >:) |
| 19:32.16 | ecraven | hey dave |
| 19:32.26 | Dave | yami, then why do they through iphones in blenders? |
| 19:32.27 | ecraven | ms3 is here? |
| 19:32.34 | Dave | oh wait, perhaps they're not worth anything ;p |
| 19:32.35 | gromez | yeah |
| 19:32.38 | Dave | ecraven YES |
| 19:32.45 | gromez | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ |
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| 19:32.54 | sicu | :] Dave ! |
| 19:33.23 | ecraven | are the bearstech images based on that? |
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| 19:33.55 | sicu | i want 2k7.2 back *cries* |
| 19:34.11 | ao2 | hi, excuse me guys, planet.openmoko.org is getting too much polyglot these days. Can't we have only messages in English there, please? For people that track several RSS feeds in a day, messages in an unknown language can be quite distracting. |
| 19:34.32 | TAsn | ao2, hehe i agree about that ;) |
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| 19:35.37 | ao2 | TAsn, if you are already subscribed to any openmoko list, can you forward such request, please? |
| 19:36.02 | TAsn | ao2, im not. |
| 19:36.18 | sicu | ao2: adding my agreement |
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| 19:38.38 | ao2 | If at all, I don't see anything wrong to have language specific secondary planets, but the main one should really be English only. Ok, I'll forward the request. |
| 19:39.06 | TAsn | cool :) |
| 19:39.06 | Dave | I have been told that sicu, yeah :'( |
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| 19:39.28 | Dave | I want it back too |
| 19:39.30 | TAsn | Dave, the move to qtopia sucks ;[ |
| 19:39.39 | Dave | who the hell suggested you do that!? o_O |
| 19:39.44 | TAsn | i didn't |
| 19:39.47 | Dave | :P |
| 19:39.47 | TAsn | im talking about asu |
| 19:39.49 | TAsn | :) |
| 19:39.54 | Dave | assy software update? |
| 19:40.05 | toggles_w | is there any way to stop opkg from requireing sig checks? they dont seem to exist on fso3 |
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| 19:40.08 | toggles_w | Downloading http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/ipk//all/Packages.sig |
| 19:40.10 | toggles_w | Signature check failed |
| 19:40.16 | toggles_w | the /sig file is missing |
| 19:41.06 | cjb | doesn't matter |
| 19:41.14 | TAsn | Dave, :) |
| 19:41.31 | TAsn | Dave, thank god moko is opensource so we actually can do something about moves like that ;) |
| 19:42.29 | viq | ah |
| 19:42.31 | viq | mount -t jffs2 -o ro /dev/mtdblock6 |
| 19:43.53 | Gnutoo | hello, i will normally have my freerunner tomorrow...but what accessories could i need? i already have a 4gb microsd and plan to buy: a kind of bag for attaching it to my belt,a stylus, a cable for the usb host function,an adapter for headphones...and the pouch and a handsfree headset are included(bearstech) |
| 19:44.16 | ecraven | doesn't it come with a bag and stylus? |
| 19:44.24 | Gnutoo | at bearstech yes |
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| 19:44.30 | Gnutoo | oops |
| 19:44.40 | Gnutoo | it comes with a pouch |
| 19:44.43 | Gnutoo | but not a bag |
| 19:44.46 | Gnutoo | and no stillus |
| 19:44.55 | Gnutoo | but a stillus is easy to buy |
| 19:45.08 | Gnutoo | s/stillus/stylus/g |
| 19:45.38 | ecraven | i have a stylus/pen with a laser pointer and flashlight, that came with the neo |
| 19:46.55 | Gnutoo | what kind of headphone connector does the openmoko have? (what's the name for this kind of connector) |
| 19:47.02 | CVirus | 2.5mm |
| 19:47.09 | viq | Gnutoo: AFAIK you might find a 2GB card "safer" |
| 19:47.26 | Gnutoo | CVirus, is it the normal one? |
| 19:47.29 | Chocky | bbq |
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| 19:47.32 | viq | I heard that SDHC cards(4GB+) sometimes have issues |
| 19:47.36 | CVirus | Gnutoo: no .. smaller |
| 19:47.48 | Gnutoo | ok so I realy need an adapter...thanks |
| 19:47.58 | Gnutoo | the normal is 3.5mm? |
| 19:48.02 | ecraven | viq: i have a 4gb card, apart from losing my mbr on resuming, no issues at all |
| 19:48.19 | ecraven | all the micro sd cards i saw come with an adapter to normal size sd |
| 19:48.26 | Gnutoo | yes I heard of this bug...but is it for all images? |
| 19:48.47 | viq | ecraven: "oh, yeah, partition table gets wiped, no problem" :P |
| 19:49.16 | Gnutoo | lol |
| 19:49.53 | ecraven | viq: well, as far as i know that's a general problem, not connected to sdhc |
| 19:49.58 | ecraven | happens to all kinds of sd cards |
| 19:50.04 | ecraven | even on other devices, i heard |
| 19:50.36 | mwester | There's a patch for that. It should be included in all recent kernels, I would think. |
| 19:52.22 | Gnutoo | ah ok...I am reading the Hardware page and I need a very specific adapter for the audio...mabe i will found it in a phone shop/departement |
| 19:52.27 | viq | oh |
| 19:52.46 | ecraven | mwester: good to hear |
| 19:52.53 | viq | would be kind of funny if you have your system on SD ;) |
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| 19:55.36 | ecraven | i do ;-/ |
| 19:55.45 | ecraven | regular backups keep me sane :) |
| 19:56.52 | viq | heh |
| 19:57.04 | viq | out of curiouslity, which distribution are you using? |
| 19:57.47 | ecraven | my own debian :) i installed it before pkg-fso was out |
| 19:58.06 | ecraven | i don't much like the fact that they install and configure everything for root |
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| 19:59.21 | viq | true |
| 19:59.24 | viq | pkg-fso? |
| 19:59.52 | ecraven | the recently (a month ago?) started project for systematic debian on the neo? |
| 20:00.13 | Dave | :D |
| 20:00.22 | Dave | Quick, everyone, take his backups! |
| 20:01.00 | Gnutoo | i must reboot on a livecd for a problem...bye |
| 20:02.12 | Dave | heh |
| 20:02.45 | kirun | Just got my neo, trying to run an update but it's giving me not found errors ( and for the packages.gz , not just the .sig ) |
| 20:02.54 | ecraven | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 20:03.04 | Dave | hot :D |
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| 20:04.25 | ecraven | does anyone sell a powered usb hub that charges the freerunner yet? |
| 20:04.57 | Dave | YES |
| 20:04.59 | Dave | :D |
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| 20:13.10 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.12 | DPThough1 | man, thats so frustrating. my neo does not even have enough fre space to install a browser. And this with the reletively small fso build. |
| 20:13.43 | slaxxin | is it that class 6 wont work properly? |
| 20:13.57 | DPThough1 | And opkg really does not handles these kinds of errors not got at all. :-/ |
| 20:14.32 | ecraven | use debian ;-P |
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| 20:15.14 | slaxxin | openmokobian |
| 20:15.22 | ecraven | nice name, actually |
| 20:16.03 | slaxxin | well since 2008.8 will be the basis of everything i think i will stik with it |
| 20:16.21 | TAsn | slaxxin, let's just hope it won't :) |
| 20:16.38 | Tanuva | TAsn: +1 |
| 20:16.45 | DPThough1 | ecraven: apt for packages would be nice. yea. But is debian really small? |
| 20:16.46 | TAsn | :) |
| 20:16.55 | mjr | mini-sd cards have the slight problem that they don't physically fit |
| 20:17.41 | zogg_ | The question is Does debian outperform ASU? I mean responsiveness. |
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| 20:17.48 | quickdev | Hey |
| 20:17.52 | slaxxin | so its micro sd is what we want? |
| 20:17.58 | quickdev | Does anyone know how to set up alsa on FSO? |
| 20:18.19 | mjr | as for the sd corruption, I read that it was fixed by disabling clocking the sd down, but was that incorrect? |
| 20:18.22 | mjr | slaxxin, yes |
| 20:18.39 | ecraven | DPThough1: small enough for an SD card.. with some work small enough for the internal flash too |
| 20:19.02 | slaxxin | just need 4 2 gig cards |
| 20:19.04 | wurp2|working | slaxxin: Do you not already have a neo? |
| 20:19.25 | slaxxin | yes i do im shopping for sdcards |
| 20:19.42 | DPThough1 | zogg_: depends on the apps i would dsay. bloat is with debian more a question of size than speed |
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| 20:20.13 | wurp2|working | quickdev: How do you mean, set up alsa? Create alsa config files? Make FSO use the right one for the circumstances? |
| 20:21.05 | quickdev | wurp2|working, I executed: "alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state store" and it replies: "alsactl: save_state:1251: No soundcards found..." |
| 20:21.11 | quickdev | wrong kernel? |
| 20:21.17 | slaxxin | im wondering why milestone III has no messeging? |
| 20:21.29 | Tanuva | it does.. |
| 20:21.47 | slaxxin | maybe i need to change the kernel to? |
| 20:22.38 | wurp2|working | quickdev: Hrm, is sound working on your neo? |
| 20:23.06 | wurp2|working | quickdev: I've seen that error before... but I don't remember when or why :-) |
| 20:23.22 | quickdev | wurp2|working, sound isn't working - that's why I'm trying to get alsa working :) |
| 20:23.27 | wurp2|working | :-) |
| 20:23.52 | ecraven | has anyone written a description of what alsa settings influence what? |
| 20:24.04 | wurp2|working | quickdev: Did you update your kernel at the same time as installing FSO? |
| 20:24.05 | edistar | ecraven: it's a great mystery.. |
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| 20:24.28 | wurp2|working | ecraven: Nah, it was hard for everyone else to figure out, it should be hard for you, too! |
| 20:24.56 | quickdev | wurp2|working, I'm using a kernel from alphaone's builds. Which kernel is known to work with the newest fso release? :) |
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| 20:25.33 | ecraven | wurp2|working, edistar: hehe, true |
| 20:26.06 | wurp2|working | quickdev: I have no idea :-/ I know dolf1074 was getting sound on his FR with MS3 |
| 20:26.13 | wurp2|working | He had other issues, though. |
| 20:26.28 | quickdev | wurp2|working, could I use the kernel of the 2008.8 release? |
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| 20:27.04 | wurp2|working | quickdev: The only diff I know of between the different kernels is patches for suspend/resume, but I'm no expert on it |
| 20:29.59 | DPThough1 | btw. does anyone knows something that would freally free much space on fso if i deinstall it and is useless? |
| 20:31.19 | ecraven | locales? man pages? |
| 20:33.41 | DPThough1 | ecraven: there are none. And if even there anywhere locales are scarse |
| 20:34.04 | ecraven | squashfs, maybe? |
| 20:34.20 | Pjj | 2007.2 or 2008.8 for usuablity/stability? |
| 20:34.20 | ecraven | i've heard good reports about it from the eeepc and acer aspire one |
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| 20:35.45 | DPThough1 | ecraven: yea, there are some cool new compressed but r/w flash filesystems out there. |
| 20:37.46 | slaxxin | http://thesweetdream.com/employment-2.htm |
| 20:38.23 | slaxxin | i think i found the source of the 1111301000 messages |
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| 20:38.52 | slaxxin | If you received a call from one of these numbers - chances are they were credit collectors. |
| 20:39.01 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:41.43 | ecraven | how can i tell fso miii *not* to turn off the screen while i'm doing something? |
| 20:43.13 | mickey|sports | edit /etc/frameworkd.conf |
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| 20:47.55 | ecraven | why is the default set so unusably? |
| 20:48.16 | ecraven | also, is it normal that tichy bombs? |
| 20:48.31 | slaxxin | yes it is |
| 20:48.37 | slaxxin | ha |
| 20:48.46 | ecraven | is it still being developped? |
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| 20:49.09 | slaxxin | i dont know an does your calander work? |
| 20:49.43 | slaxxin | got a cute red indicator for low battery though |
| 20:49.47 | ecraven | no, but i didn't have a sim card in |
| 20:50.06 | slaxxin | well i do |
| 20:50.18 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.41 | slaxxin | calander man not contacts |
| 20:51.00 | ecraven | yes, it was grayed out |
| 20:51.33 | slaxxin | have u rebooted 1 time? |
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| 20:51.41 | harnir | hello |
| 20:51.51 | ecraven | just doing that |
| 20:51.53 | ecraven | hey harnir |
| 20:52.10 | harnir | how's the new Om 2008.9.1? |
| 20:52.29 | mickeyl | what's "unusably" for one is "saving power" for another one |
| 20:52.36 | slaxxin | the calander button will engage but nothing happens that i can tell |
| 20:53.06 | slaxxin | 20080907 worked well for me |
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| 20:53.59 | slaxxin | 20080908 i mean |
| 20:54.30 | slaxxin | suspended overnight then recieved a call without rebooting |
| 20:56.25 | ecraven | nice, fso got fast!! |
| 20:56.34 | ecraven | where does zhone hide sms? |
| 20:56.56 | gromez | ecraven: i have the same problem, the icon is disabled :( |
| 20:57.18 | ecraven | should it be enabled? |
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| 20:57.50 | gromez | i think so |
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| 21:00.04 | ecraven | can anyone explain to me rationally why the microphones are on the *side* of the neo?? |
| 21:00.10 | ecraven | i have *terribly* sound quality |
| 21:00.47 | leinir | ecraven: Well... it's not :) |
| 21:00.48 | harnir | ecraven: it's not the microphones on the side |
| 21:00.49 | mjr | they're not |
| 21:00.59 | harnir | microphone is in the center side of the arc |
| 21:01.00 | leinir | It's in the tiny hole in the lanyard hole :) |
| 21:01.02 | harnir | look closely |
| 21:01.35 | harnir | ecraven: those holes on the sides are the speaker (one actually, on the left) grills |
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| 21:01.59 | awwaiid | Greetings! |
| 21:02.18 | ecraven | harnir: then why do i get better sound talking into the speaker than talking into that tiny hole? |
| 21:02.45 | harnir | ecraven: I honestly have no idea, maybe your FreeRunner is somehow unique? :) |
| 21:03.41 | ecraven | should i do anything to the default settings of fso milestone 3? |
| 21:04.07 | ecraven | also, is the upper right icon in zhone for sms? why is it disabled? |
| 21:07.04 | edistar | anyone from the UK around? what does "peak download allowance" mean in connection to an ISP? |
| 21:08.05 | Andre | edistar: Sounds like the maximum speed you can download at during peak usage times. |
| 21:09.02 | viq | edistar: I believe this is "this is how much you can download during peak hours, if you go over that we will throttle you and be otherwise unpleasant" |
| 21:09.16 | Mononoke | heh, wtf ? |
| 21:09.35 | Mononoke | I wouldn't use such isp :/ |
| 21:09.48 | |FiLiP| | it's marketing talk for 'we'll screw you" |
| 21:10.16 | edistar | viq: sounds like the UK isn't such a nice broadband country.. |
| 21:10.21 | viq | Mononoke: a friend uses such ISP. And sometimes if you don't want to use such ISP and want to have access to internet the only option is to move... |
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| 21:10.46 | slaxxin | also cant add to contacts in fso III |
| 21:11.00 | edistar | can anyone recommend me a good ISP in england? |
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| 21:11.36 | Mononoke | viq: what about running your own isp ? get people and create local network. It did work in our town |
| 21:11.47 | mattl | edistar: ukfsn |
| 21:12.25 | viq | Mononoke: hm, interesting. I have no idea what that would involve |
| 21:12.36 | edistar | mattl: horrendous pricing |
| 21:12.54 | viq | "you get what you pay for" ? ;) |
| 21:13.08 | edistar | I don't pay for 400kb upload |
| 21:13.11 | edistar | ridiculous |
| 21:13.24 | mattl | edistar: ISPs in the UK are all shit. |
| 21:13.44 | edistar | 256k even, at ukfsn |
| 21:13.59 | mattl | standard for DSL. |
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| 21:15.41 | edistar | I have 20Mbs down 900Kbs up here for roughly 30 pounds.. |
| 21:15.46 | edistar | in .nl though |
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| 21:18.07 | edistar | don't mind paying a bit more, just want the same service please... no bandwidth restrictions.. thought europe was civilized by now :P |
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| 21:20.12 | harnir | edistar: http://openbts.sf.net/ |
| 21:21.08 | edistar | harnir: was that for me? |
| 21:21.53 | harnir | edistar: oh, I misunderstood - you wanted better 'net connection, not better GSM network. :-) |
| 21:21.59 | harnir | edistar: http://nocat.net/ |
| 21:22.24 | zedstar | edistar if u can get cable where u are in the UK u can get similar deal to what u mentioned |
| 21:23.05 | edistar | zedstar: ah, super, thanks |
| 21:23.11 | edistar | never did cable stuff.. |
| 21:23.18 | edistar | is a satellite person :P |
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| 21:23.36 | zedstar | edistar virgin own it now it gets rebranded all the time |
| 21:25.56 | edistar | thx |
| 21:26.21 | Mononoke | edistar: britain has to be always different :P |
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| 21:29.24 | zedstar | nevermind that England just trashed Croatia in Croata 4 - 1 :) |
| 21:30.21 | Mononoke | in hockey ? :) |
| 21:31.48 | zedstar | footy ;P |
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| 21:34.22 | slaxxin | the only thing that i saw that worked was tangogps an phone calls |
| 21:34.52 | slaxxin | i didnt leave fso III on |
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| 21:39.41 | donomo | boots milestone3 for the first time |
| 21:40.37 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * rb1b0f6adc59e 10/illume/illume-config/e.src: Higher the shutdown time on power button press. 2 seconds are to short. We go for 5. |
| 21:41.26 | donomo | watching the swinging yin/yang logo... |
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| 21:48.48 | donomo | 'Failed to register to network' |
| 21:50.17 | slaxxin | it wont take long for u to run |
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| 21:50.36 | donomo | restarted zhone. now its happyily registered. |
| 21:50.39 | slaxxin | put a sim in |
| 21:51.04 | slaxxin | i had it for 5 hours |
| 21:51.14 | slaxxin | now its gone |
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| 21:51.41 | slaxxin | i cant figure out why theres 2 gps in fsoIII |
| 21:52.22 | donomo | you mean 2 gps applications? the zhone screen and tangogps? |
| 21:52.35 | slaxxin | wheres the tango package with the autocenter button on it? |
| 21:52.44 | slaxxin | yes that |
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| 21:53.08 | slaxxin | i used the tango an it worked pretty well |
| 21:53.54 | slaxxin | an the charge light is the power button thats good |
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| 21:54.44 | slaxxin | i need that tango for 2008.9 |
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| 21:55.45 | sicu | i only had it for a few hrs too ... back to 2007.2 now |
| 21:56.07 | slaxxin | ahh comeon |
| 21:56.08 | sicu | waiting for ms6 me thinks ;) |
| 21:56.20 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.39 | slaxxin | i have 1 that works fairly well |
| 21:56.52 | slaxxin | 20080908 |
| 21:56.54 | donomo | i just put milestone 3 to sleep. it wont unsleep. :( |
| 21:57.02 | sicu | didn't think 2008.9 was out yet ... ? |
| 21:57.10 | slaxxin | it wont take u long |
| 21:57.27 | slaxxin | well a daily build is what it is |
| 21:57.49 | sicu | slaxxin: if you can point me to one that works ok, i will gladly test it :] |
| 21:57.55 | slaxxin | ok |
| 21:58.04 | slaxxin | give me a minuit |
| 21:58.09 | sicu | cool =] |
| 21:59.20 | sicu | is it the raster build from aug15th ? |
| 21:59.35 | sicu | oops, sorry ... daily build, gotcha |
| 22:00.48 | Kensan | oh, hadn't noticed, FSO milestone 3 is out :) |
| 22:02.05 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.59 | Tig| | Kensan: wooooooooot! |
| 22:04.35 | Kensan | Tig|: oh crap, it says "not yet announced" |
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| 22:04.46 | Kensan | I hope I didn't steal anybody's thunder :( |
| 22:04.51 | Tig| | whoops :) |
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| 22:05.58 | sicu | hmmm ... what happened to the fso ms3 files ?? |
| 22:06.30 | Kensan | sicu: it has not been released yet, that's why. |
| 22:06.44 | sicu | lol ... they were there earlier today |
| 22:06.44 | Tig| | trac still says there is one ticket left |
| 22:06.56 | sicu | i even flashed my FR with it |
| 22:07.00 | Kensan | damnit, I hope this does not end in some storm on the ML. |
| 22:07.16 | Kensan | sicu: maybe, somebody found a crucial issue? |
| 22:07.23 | Kensan | sicu: is your FR still working? |
| 22:07.25 | Kensan | *heh* |
| 22:07.25 | sicu | yeh, probably ... they pulled them back to do some too-late-minute fixes |
| 22:07.42 | slaxxin | they removed them proly because they suck an they want to replace them as quickly as possible (i hope() |
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| 22:08.10 | slaxxin | sorry sicu |
| 22:08.18 | sicu | well ... fingers crossed for slaxxins optimism ;) |
| 22:08.24 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.42 | slaxxin | file transfer if u like |
| 22:09.24 | sicu | hehe .. np, i will try the latest daily-build and get back to you if it's terrible |
| 22:09.29 | sicu | but thanks =] |
| 22:09.56 | Kensan | sicu: what's the "raster" image some people keep talking about? Any pointers/urls? |
| 22:10.20 | sicu | Kensan: http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ |
| 22:10.41 | Tig| | http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ |
| 22:10.49 | Tig| | meh |
| 22:10.54 | Kensan | ah nice |
| 22:10.54 | slaxxin | good because i almost put that on 30 minuits ago an maybe u can tell us how it goes |
| 22:10.55 | Kensan | thanks guys |
| 22:11.11 | sicu | np |
| 22:11.25 | Kensan | I probably won't get to it tonight. |
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| 22:12.55 | Kensan | But should be definitely interesting to see what raster is coming up with in the near future. Now that he has some spare time on his hands ;) |
| 22:13.14 | sicu | yeh, me neither ... gotta leave some flashes for tomorrow so I don't go through my flash-withdrawal |
| 22:13.54 | sicu | Kensan: true, but the image on that link is pre-om-resignation though |
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| 22:14.29 | slaxxin | yesterdays image worked well for me |
| 22:14.45 | slaxxin | anybody wants it i have it |
| 22:16.22 | slaxxin | its the only image in my 2008.8 working overnite folder |
| 22:17.10 | slaxxin | i think they stepped up to the plate knowing MIII was coming out |
| 22:17.34 | slaxxin | good jobopenmoko |
| 22:17.59 | sicu | slaxxin: ok, you've convinced me |
| 22:18.17 | slaxxin | what fso ok with u? |
| 22:18.23 | sicu | new transfer ... pretty pls |
| 22:18.29 | slaxxin | ok |
| 22:18.46 | slaxxin | u can install it later as long as u have it |
| 22:18.53 | sicu | yeh =] |
| 22:19.25 | sicu | meh ... stupid mirc |
| 22:19.29 | sicu | again pls |
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| 22:20.22 | slaxxin | ok |
| 22:20.41 | Kensan | slaxxin: yesterdays image of which distribution? |
| 22:20.42 | sicu | thanks =] |
| 22:20.51 | slaxxin | 2008 |
| 22:20.57 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:21.20 | Kensan | slaxxin: i see |
| 22:21.57 | slaxxin | u got a link? |
| 22:22.19 | slaxxin | 68.38 megs |
| 22:22.59 | slaxxin | september |
| 22:24.18 | slaxxin | its slow |
| 22:24.34 | neldoreth | http://cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html |
| 22:24.52 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.16 | slaxxin | host |
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| 22:30.16 | sicu | slaxxin: yeh, kinda slow ... my line is normally quicker than this ... but it's almost done =) |
| 22:31.35 | sicu | wohoo :] |
| 22:33.06 | slaxxin | might md5sum it |
| 22:34.18 | sicu | jupp |
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| 22:37.04 | slaxxin | uploading it to rapidshare |
| 22:37.19 | sicu | cool |
| 22:40.21 | slaxxin | why doesnt the latest tango have an autocenter button? |
| 22:40.28 | rwhitby | hope you're uploading the source code as well to comply with the GPL ... |
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| 22:40.42 | slaxxin | lol |
| 22:41.19 | slaxxin | well if i got it the source code should be with it correct? lololol |
| 22:41.25 | rwhitby | it's not a laughing matter. the last thing openmoko needs is some slashdot article about GPL images on rapidshare with no corresponding source code - "Openmoko violates GPL!!!! OMG!!!" |
| 22:41.32 | *** join/#openmoko neldoreth (n=ascot@unixboard/users/neldoreth) |
| 22:41.57 | rwhitby | you either comply with the license under which you received that binary image, or you dont. |
| 22:41.57 | slaxxin | does the source code not come with it when i got it |
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| 22:42.18 | slaxxin | am i not? |
| 22:42.23 | rwhitby | doesn't matter - if *you* redistribute it, then *you* become responsible for supplying the corresponding source code |
| 22:42.41 | rwhitby | you're not allowed just to point to someone else's web site. |
| 22:42.41 | slaxxin | where does i get it may i ask? |
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| 22:43.11 | rwhitby | you should ask the person you got it from. They should have the source code available under the GPL ... |
| 22:43.24 | slaxxin | so it doesnt come with the source code? |
| 22:43.35 | rwhitby | again, ask the person you got it from |
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| 22:43.51 | slaxxin | ok i just wont share it |
| 22:44.15 | sicu | heh, sounds easier that way :/ |
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| 22:45.52 | slaxxin | sicu i guess if u dont accept this next file i will be forced to run u through |
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| 22:47.54 | sicu | hides behind his freerunner ... and peeks through the conveniently place hole at the bottom |
| 22:48.08 | sicu | i knew that hole was there for a good reason |
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| 22:51.46 | jadams | anyone else try out milestone 3 yet? |
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| 22:55.54 | mwester | jadams: it got pulled back; be patient a while longer. |
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| 22:58.00 | rwhitby | the kernel didn't resume, so they're going back to stable |
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| 23:00.05 | sicu | good good |
| 23:02.04 | jadams | oh... |
| 23:02.16 | jadams | I installed it, but the sms sending interface still doesn't work for me, does it for others? |
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| 23:03.11 | sicu | i sent a couple that worked ... but i've reflashed it since |
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| 23:03.25 | sicu | waiting for the official release before i try it again |
| 23:04.13 | Varox | hey guys, i know it's a stupid question, but may be someone will answer :) is there a time line when openmoko is going to be ready for end users? |
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| 23:04.43 | john | When it's ready? |
| 23:04.56 | Varox | at least when the battery will least for more than 2 days? |
| 23:05.09 | Varox | may be 5 :) |
| 23:05.44 | john | Mine doesn't last more than 5 hours )-: |
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| 23:06.10 | Varox | john: while working on it or while in stand by mode? |
| 23:06.17 | KyleO | Anyone know how to remap the aux button to execute whatever command I want? |
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| 23:06.58 | john | Dimmed and locked. But I'm still running 2007.2. |
| 23:07.20 | Varox | all right, thanks |
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| 23:12.16 | Kero | woops. enlightment crashing on FSO 3. |
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| 23:17.17 | Weiss | does anyone have the "autocenter" button appearing when using TangoGPS on OM? |
| 23:17.40 | Weiss | i wonder whether it doesn't appear due to with width of the screen, and if there's any way to get it to appear |
| 23:19.29 | slaxxin | on an fso image |
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| 23:25.46 | Kero | "Registered to Network" and *boom* Enlightenment. |
| 23:26.13 | Kero | twice in a row. I bet that makes it debuggable... |
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| 23:26.24 | Kero | but not now. bedtime |
| 23:30.27 | fredrin | where can i find fso ms3 image? |
| 23:32.53 | donomo | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3 |
| 23:33.09 | donomo | hmm. the files are gone now |
| 23:34.16 | fredrin | i know |
| 23:34.21 | fredrin | strange |
| 23:34.47 | fredrin | bug in the matrix, oh no!!!!1111oneone |
| 23:35.08 | donomo | i just saw the same cat walk by! |
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| 23:35.43 | fredrin | lol |
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| 23:59.43 | NineX | hi |
