| 00:00.32 | weirdedout | suspends |
| 00:01.24 | hipitihop | snores |
| 00:01.31 | ljp | hacks |
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| 00:03.23 | Dave | guess germans like tentacools :p |
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| 00:12.45 | alphabeat | can somebody help me with 'make fso-testing-image' please? http://pastebin.com/m40c8a76b |
| 00:13.01 | alphabeat | also, this builds a jffs image? |
| 00:13.31 | Staticwave_Ace | ljp: is it possible to prevent qtopia from powering up the bluetooth? |
| 00:15.49 | ljp | you mean disableing bluetooth? or not having the chip be powered at all? |
| 00:16.16 | Staticwave_Ace | well, whatever is done by "devtools -> power off bluetooth" |
| 00:16.31 | ljp | edit qtopia startup script |
| 00:16.39 | Staticwave_Ace | /etc/init.d/qpe |
| 00:16.51 | ljp | yes, or /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.sh |
| 00:17.03 | Staticwave_Ace | what do those devtools call? |
| 00:17.21 | ljp | a script in the qtopia bin directory |
| 00:17.25 | Staticwave_Ace | thanks |
| 00:19.31 | Staticwave_Ace | just for that extra bit of battery |
| 00:19.33 | Staticwave_Ace | for now |
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| 00:24.14 | Dave | ljp, so when will 4.4 be ready? |
| 00:24.24 | Staticwave_Ace | "soon" |
| 00:24.25 | Staticwave_Ace | lol |
| 00:24.34 | ljp | :) yep. what he said |
| 00:24.44 | Staticwave_Ace | nailed it ;) |
| 00:24.45 | Dave | bullshit |
| 00:24.58 | Dave | last time 4.3.2 was "soon" and then a month later it was released covertly |
| 00:24.58 | ljp | no. it really will be ready soon |
| 00:25.10 | Dave | be lorn leaked it :P |
| 00:25.12 | Staticwave_Ace | a month is prety soon |
| 00:25.15 | ljp | vocertly? |
| 00:25.19 | Dave | either that, or took a leak on it |
| 00:25.20 | ljp | covertly? |
| 00:25.49 | ljp | i dont think qtopia could be released covertly. |
| 00:27.42 | Dave | well, try not to screw it up ;) |
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| 00:29.41 | tomboy64 | is there a way to obtain info which process is accessing a file/dir? |
| 00:29.48 | alphabeat | tomboy64: lsof |
| 00:29.51 | tomboy64 | on my desktop i used to use lsof |
| 00:29.56 | alphabeat | oh |
| 00:29.57 | tomboy64 | well, it's not available |
| 00:30.11 | alphabeat | hmm i have it...will look for where i got it |
| 00:30.27 | Dave | heh, alphabeat :) |
| 00:30.41 | tomboy64 | you do have it? |
| 00:30.44 | tomboy64 | hm |
| 00:30.45 | alphabeat | i'm running fso ms2 |
| 00:30.48 | alphabeat | you? |
| 00:30.56 | tomboy64 | om2008.8 |
| 00:30.59 | tomboy64 | update |
| 00:31.08 | alphabeat | using zecke's feeds? |
| 00:31.12 | tomboy64 | nope |
| 00:31.18 | tomboy64 | how do i add them? |
| 00:31.43 | alphabeat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Users_Repositories |
| 00:31.52 | Dave | lsof - 4.78-r0 - /usr/sbin/lsof |
| 00:32.06 | tomboy64 | btw |
| 00:32.18 | tomboy64 | what's the difference between diversity-nav and location? |
| 00:32.18 | alphabeat | wait i lie, zecke's feeds aren't listed there sorry |
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| 00:33.55 | tomboy64 | yeah |
| 00:34.02 | tomboy64 | lsof is in the standard repo :-| |
| 00:34.09 | Dave | surprise! |
| 00:34.18 | Dave | :) |
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| 00:34.22 | tomboy64 | :) |
| 00:34.42 | Dave | Xora, appear yourself! |
| 00:35.17 | tomboy64 | is /media/card/qtopia_db.sqlite important? |
| 00:35.35 | Dave | :P |
| 00:35.51 | tomboy64 | yes, this is a sincere question |
| 00:36.32 | ShellEvil | adsl configure --snr 65430 |
| 00:36.32 | ShellEvil | adsl connection --tones 0 32 0xffff0f00 32 224 0xfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff |
| 00:36.58 | ShellEvil | oops |
| 00:37.39 | torindel | tomboy64: nope |
| 00:37.59 | tomboy64 | torindel: what is stored there? |
| 00:38.16 | scarlson_ | Hey guys.. Anyone aware of a Timidity port already packaged up for the freerunner? |
| 00:38.33 | Dave | uggh |
| 00:38.41 | Dave | Someone needs a beating. |
| 00:38.58 | weirdedout | anyone got this "pcf50633_irq" when booting om2007.2 after an update? Is there anyway to fix it? |
| 00:39.08 | weirdedout | X won't start |
| 00:39.27 | weirdedout | but I can still SSH through USB |
| 00:39.38 | Dave | Do you get pages and pages of that? :P |
| 00:39.46 | weirdedout | yep |
| 00:39.51 | Dave | heh |
| 00:39.54 | weirdedout | gets a bit boring after a while. |
| 00:39.55 | Dave | Yeah, I've heard about that |
| 00:40.03 | Dave | I forget what the fix was though |
| 00:40.08 | Dave | it's just stupid |
| 00:40.18 | Dave | opkg takes a dump on you for something retarded. |
| 00:40.22 | weirdedout | the only solution I have found is to refleash. |
| 00:40.40 | weirdedout | but I don't really want to do that if I can help it. |
| 00:40.48 | alphabeat | Dave: xD nice analogy |
| 00:40.59 | Dave | :P |
| 00:41.08 | Dave | it's true though |
| 00:41.19 | Dave | opkg has unfortunately been designed this way : |
| 00:41.42 | Dave | MORE UNFORTUNATELY is that this disgusting sort of behavior has never been REMOVED from it! |
| 00:41.50 | Dave | The opkg devs seriously need a beating. |
| 00:41.52 | Dave | or whipping |
| 00:42.03 | Dave | or caning |
| 00:42.06 | tomboy64 | :) |
| 00:42.10 | tomboy64 | i want my portage back |
| 00:42.15 | Dave | or something else of equal physical torment |
| 00:42.20 | Dave | heh heh |
| 00:42.24 | Dave | dude |
| 00:42.28 | Dave | it was mirrored after apt |
| 00:42.34 | tomboy64 | yeah |
| 00:42.35 | Dave | I'd be happy to just have that! |
| 00:42.40 | tomboy64 | debian is simply retarded |
| 00:42.43 | Dave | since it works without any of the bullshit |
| 00:42.44 | tomboy64 | you're right there |
| 00:42.50 | Dave | and the options are useful AND work. |
| 00:42.54 | tomboy64 | :-D |
| 00:43.08 | Dave | opkg's are half broken, and they're never what you want in the first place |
| 00:43.08 | weirdedout | another suggestion is to reduce the log level using dfu-util but I don't know how to do it. Can anyone help with that? |
| 00:43.15 | Dave | Like, hi, opkg, I want to install this package |
| 00:43.40 | rwhitby | um, what's opkg got to do with "pcf50633_irq" errors? |
| 00:43.42 | Dave | I always picture a little message popping up then, "Hi, it looks like you're trying to install a package, would you like help with that?" |
| 00:43.56 | Dave | but man, not even that |
| 00:43.59 | Dave | it just fails hard. |
| 00:44.06 | Dave | rwhitby: who knows! |
| 00:44.21 | tomboy64 | rwhitby: don't interrupt his ranting |
| 00:44.22 | rwhitby | what are you jabbering on about then? |
| 00:44.25 | tomboy64 | he's right at it |
| 00:44.26 | Dave | :D |
| 00:44.27 | tomboy64 | :-D |
| 00:44.46 | tomboy64 | he might wake up, and hurt himself |
| 00:44.53 | Dave | but seriously, you're like, okay opkg install this package |
| 00:45.16 | Dave | it says, oh no, I can't, it doesn't have the right underscore in it's filename, or doesn't have enough something in it! |
| 00:45.26 | Dave | or it might accidentally overwrite a file that YOU PUT THERE |
| 00:45.47 | rwhitby | um, all good things for a package manager utility to do ... |
| 00:45.49 | Dave | so after getting fed up enough you're like, fuck it, I'm the boss here, opkg --force install this motherfuckingpackage.ipk |
| 00:46.06 | Dave | oh wait, but there IS NO --force option |
| 00:46.08 | Dave | wah wah |
| 00:46.14 | tomboy64 | there is |
| 00:46.16 | tomboy64 | :) |
| 00:46.25 | rwhitby | if you don't want to use the package manager, and you want to go behind it's back and do things yourself, then just use ar and tar to unpack the .ipks |
| 00:46.42 | Dave | rod, of course you can do that |
| 00:46.52 | rwhitby | you haven't yet stated a situation where it's doing the wrong thing |
| 00:47.08 | rwhitby | where's the bug report you've entered? got a URL? |
| 00:47.15 | Dave | rwhitby, there are several good examples, and yes, I am merely exaggerating simple situations |
| 00:47.23 | Dave | rwhitby, they have all been logged! |
| 00:47.31 | rwhitby | or are you just ranting for ranting's sake, and are not really interested in getting anything fixed? |
| 00:47.49 | Dave | Rod, I was just ranting here :) |
| 00:47.56 | Dave | Though there are REAL issues with opkg |
| 00:48.01 | Dave | and its performance |
| 00:48.09 | rwhitby | so write a replacement ... |
| 00:48.15 | Dave | sure |
| 00:49.33 | Dave | opkg just looks like a decent hack, left unmaintained |
| 00:49.44 | Dave | like most of the initial freerunner software :| |
| 00:49.48 | weirdedout | OK looks like I'll be reflashing then. |
| 00:49.54 | rwhitby | um, opkg is 1000 times better than it's predecessor, ipkg. |
| 00:50.05 | Dave | rwhitby: well, that is definitely true :D |
| 00:50.08 | Dave | haha |
| 00:50.17 | Staticwave_Ace | Dave: please see apt or emerge for replacement |
| 00:50.24 | Dave | staticwave, duh :p |
| 00:50.28 | Dave | :) |
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| 00:50.42 | Staticwave_Ace | I agree that the OE distro is pretty shaky under all this phone stuff |
| 00:50.52 | weirdedout | is om2008.8 ready enough to use? or should I refleash with 2007.2? |
| 00:51.09 | Dave | Where do you even get 2007.2 anymore!? |
| 00:51.10 | Staticwave_Ace | weirdedout: depends on what you want to do with the device |
| 00:51.39 | Dave | laments the loss of buildhost |
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| 00:51.57 | weirdedout | I would like to be able to use make and receive calls,SMS, browse the net and use the GPS for starters. |
| 00:52.03 | rwhitby | I'm glad buildhost is gone, since it was never defined what it actually built. |
| 00:52.14 | Dave | Well, that is a good point :) |
| 00:52.34 | Staticwave_Ace | weirdedout: IMHO, you can have the first two, or the last two working, I haven't had much luck with all 4 at the same time |
| 00:52.39 | alphabeat | any FSO gurus know what's going on here with my 'make fso-testing-image'? http://pastebin.com/m40c8a76b |
| 00:52.42 | Dave | Though now I am left in bewilderment |
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| 00:53.24 | Dave | rwhitby, where, if anywhere, are the OM2007.2 updates? It is "discontinued" according to the wiki. Does that mean there are no more updates? That doesn't exactly make sense, since there were updates up until recently. |
| 00:53.40 | Dave | and 2008.8 is ASU, so what happened to org.openmoko.dev ? |
| 00:53.58 | Dave | In effect, did GTK get BBQ'ed? |
| 00:54.03 | Staticwave_Ace | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2007.11/ |
| 00:54.11 | rwhitby | alphabeat: looks like the Makefile is getting confused. Are you running a make version that understands pattern rules? |
| 00:54.17 | Staticwave_Ace | http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/ |
| 00:54.17 | weirdedout | ok |
| 00:54.22 | Staticwave_Ace | its still there and built |
| 00:54.26 | rwhitby | Dave: 2007.2 is no longer maintained, therefore no updates |
| 00:54.41 | rwhitby | what part of "no longer maintained" is not clear ;-) |
| 00:54.51 | Dave | that is rather clear |
| 00:55.02 | Staticwave_Ace | weirdedout: qtopia works great for phone stuff, 2008.2 has lots of apps and such, not sure how its phone stuff is doing right now |
| 00:55.07 | Dave | I still think someone should have changed the topic though to reflect recent changes. |
| 00:55.16 | Dave | Like, BUILDHOST IS NO MORE |
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| 00:55.23 | weirdedout | I noticed that om2008.8 has a september 04 snapshot anyone tried that? |
| 00:55.27 | rwhitby | org.openmoko.dev does not correspond to any binary image released by openmoko, so why would they provide packages from that? |
| 00:55.32 | Dave | why do we even have that stupid xora comment in there anyway about do not use buildhost to update 2008.8 |
| 00:55.36 | Dave | it doesn't even exist anymore! |
| 00:56.12 | rwhitby | so raise a ticket to get it fixed ... |
| 00:56.50 | rwhitby | alphabeat: ah, do you have the wrong makefile in the fso-testing dir? it should be a symlink to ../common/openembedded.mk |
| 00:56.55 | Dave | rwhitby, I guess my confusion lies in that, I'm faced with a phone which has 2007.2 and all the updates up until bh went away. Am I faced with the fact I will now have to reflash with something else, if I want to be kept "up to date" |
| 00:57.15 | alphabeat | i'll check rwhitby thanks |
| 00:57.15 | Dave | More importantly, the only alternatives seem to be "ASU" (qtopia ickiness), and FSO |
| 00:57.31 | Dave | things are way too sticky at the moment |
| 00:57.35 | Dave | or globular |
| 00:57.44 | rwhitby | Dave: you are using an unmaintained deprecated distribution. Either live with it's current configuration, or reflash with a maintained release, or build the packages yourself. |
| 00:57.57 | Dave | distributions seem to be melding and merging with others and changing names frequently enough, ambiguous ones at that :) |
| 00:58.18 | Dave | rwhitby: aye aye, captain rod! |
| 00:59.48 | alphabeat | that was it thanks rwhitby. is this an issue with the Makefile? |
| 01:00.02 | rwhitby | alphabeat: dunno how you got into that state |
| 01:00.13 | alphabeat | i followed the instructions on the wiki (wget Makefile, make fso-test..) |
| 01:00.22 | rwhitby | alphabeat: you might want to do a make setup-fso-unstable and compare the two dirs |
| 01:00.31 | alphabeat | now i know how i got here i'll distclean and try again :) |
| 01:00.35 | rwhitby | the only difference should be in the contents of the conf/local.conf file |
| 01:01.11 | rwhitby | yeah, if you haven't started building and can afford to loose the tmp dir, then please try and reproduce so I can fix any potential error |
| 01:01.39 | rwhitby | Dave: I agree that the transition from 2007.2 to 2008.8 was not handled well by openmoko ... |
| 01:02.45 | rwhitby | alphabeat: I just set up an fso-testing build last night which is working fine, so I'm interested why it's not working for you. |
| 01:02.50 | Dave | Well, don't worry. I'm not going to be demanding reparations or anything :) |
| 01:03.02 | rwhitby | you're using the Makefile from shr.bearstech.com (or from the git.fso.org fso-makefile repo?) |
| 01:03.55 | Dave | goes off to contemplate his mokofate |
| 01:04.09 | alphabeat | rwhitby: wget http://shr.bearstech.com/Makefile |
| 01:04.24 | rwhitby | Dave: just install Debian, and then you won't need to deal with Openmoko release policies any more :-) |
| 01:04.28 | rwhitby | alphabeat: yep |
| 01:05.00 | Dave | Indeed :) |
| 01:05.22 | Staticwave_Ace | install gentoo |
| 01:05.29 | Staticwave_Ace | deal with their insane policies instead |
| 01:05.38 | Dave | fuck that |
| 01:05.43 | Dave | I'm no ricer, foo :p |
| 01:05.43 | rwhitby | yeah, rebuild your distro *on* the phone. that'll be fun. |
| 01:05.47 | Dave | hahaha |
| 01:05.53 | Dave | rwhitby: been there, tried that |
| 01:06.01 | Staticwave_Ace | rwhitby: it *does* have binary package support |
| 01:06.11 | Dave | I've rebuilt the kernel on the moko before |
| 01:06.16 | Staticwave_Ace | you'll note the wiki has stages and a buildhost available |
| 01:06.17 | rwhitby | Staticwave_Ace: what's the point of using Gentoo if you're going to use binary packages? |
| 01:06.29 | Staticwave_Ace | rwhitby: its sane init system for one |
| 01:06.31 | Dave | impurity! |
| 01:06.41 | rwhitby | you might as just use Debian if you're going to succumb to a USE overlord anyway |
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| 01:06.51 | Dave | haha |
| 01:07.00 | Dave | yeah, it sounds blasphemous as it is... |
| 01:07.07 | rwhitby | where's the Gentoo pride gone these days ... |
| 01:07.07 | Dave | ... whatever we're talking about :) |
| 01:07.25 | Dave | germany? |
| 01:07.44 | rwhitby | if you haven't wasted weeks building it from scratch with your own personal USE settings, then it can't truly be called Gentoo can it? |
| 01:07.58 | Dave | haha |
| 01:08.07 | Dave | good point :p |
| 01:08.25 | rwhitby | the way things are going with binary Gentoo package, you might even be able to get a reproducible OE build on it ... |
| 01:08.50 | Dave | gah |
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| 01:09.23 | ljp | heh oe on the fr |
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| 01:10.16 | Dave | yep |
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| 01:18.46 | slaxxin | hosename lookup failure |
| 01:18.56 | slaxxin | host* |
| 01:19.35 | slaxxin | debian on sd startx |
| 01:20.04 | slaxxin | do i really have to modify xorg or not? |
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| 01:29.05 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r30 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: MokoMakefile: Build asu.stable by default, but also support org.om.dev builds too |
| 01:29.15 | alphabeat | rwhitby: make setup-fso-[un]stable gives the same directories i think |
| 01:29.39 | rwhitby | same as in correct, or same as in incorrect? |
| 01:29.58 | alphabeat | well they're identical as far as i can tell |
| 01:30.06 | Dave | :P |
| 01:30.09 | alphabeat | same error with make fso-testing-image |
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| 01:33.54 | Dave | man, when will ms3 be released |
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| 01:35.33 | rwhitby | alphabeat: ok, let me see if I can recreate the error here |
| 01:35.40 | alphabeat | 5 to go Dave ;) http://trac.freesmartphone.org/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=milestone3 |
| 01:35.49 | rwhitby | you're just doing "wget http://shr.bearstech.com/Makefile ; make fso-testing-image" right? |
| 01:35.56 | alphabeat | ok rwhitby. yes that's correct |
| 01:36.45 | alphabeat | i recall at some point having a fso-testing/fso-testing/ directory with Makefile symlinking to ../common/foobar.mk |
| 01:37.04 | alphabeat | so whether it's going to far or not or it's missing another "../" i'm not sure. you're the makefile guru ;) |
| 01:38.33 | alphabeat | Dave it looks like its' just bizarre SMS issues left for MS3. So maybe you already have it ;) |
| 01:38.47 | alphabeat | oh and suspend/resume :P |
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| 01:41.36 | rwhitby | alphabeat: ok, I can reproduce it |
| 01:42.34 | alphabeat | great! easy fix? |
| 01:43.03 | rwhitby | oh, the common dir doesn't get downloaded by default |
| 01:44.16 | rwhitby | yep, easy fix |
| 01:46.29 | alphabeat | should redownload the makefile or git clone the common dir? |
| 01:46.35 | rwhitby | one sec |
| 01:47.07 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07fso-makefile * r01ddeba7c128 10/Makefile: Makefile: Fixed the dependencies on the common dir |
| 01:47.23 | alphabeat | woot! |
| 01:47.35 | rwhitby | "make update" should get that |
| 01:47.51 | rwhitby | actually, do a "make setup-common" first |
| 01:48.11 | rwhitby | thx for finding the proble, |
| 01:48.22 | alphabeat | no worries. thought it was me :P |
| 01:49.48 | alphabeat | so is 'wget Makefile; make fso-testing-image' still accurate then? or should i update the wiki? |
| 01:50.30 | rwhitby | once I get shr to update the Makefile it will still be accurate |
| 01:50.39 | rwhitby | error: unable to create temporary sha1 filename .git/objects/01: No space left on device |
| 01:50.47 | alphabeat | ok thanks :) |
| 01:50.55 | rwhitby | there is something *very* wrong with the shr autobuilder disks at the moment |
| 01:51.07 | alphabeat | wasn't the size being doubled? |
| 01:51.26 | rwhitby | yes, they mounted a new /home/shr dir via nfs, but something's gone horribly wrong |
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| 01:51.37 | alphabeat | indeed. |
| 01:51.50 | rwhitby | df says the new /home/shr is 30% full, but commands are failing with disk full errors |
| 01:52.04 | rwhitby | and I don't have root on the box to diagnose :-( |
| 01:52.10 | alphabeat | oh bad luck |
| 01:52.20 | alphabeat | dmesg output? broken disk? |
| 01:52.24 | rwhitby | starts an fso-testing build on nslu2-linux.org infrastructure ... |
| 01:52.57 | alphabeat | gotta have not having root access |
| 01:53.00 | alphabeat | *hate |
| 01:53.27 | rwhitby | no broken disk, but scanelf is segfaulting and looks like portmap is having problems |
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| 01:54.39 | alphabeat | oh man git clone on openembedded is taking forever |
| 01:56.09 | rwhitby | ok, put a work-around in place until they fix the disk |
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| 01:57.46 | alphabeat | rwhitby any reason why git clone would be running so slow? it's taking forever to "index". i guess there is 169961 objects... |
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| 01:58.46 | rwhitby | alphabeat: OE server load probably |
| 02:00.30 | alphabeat | hmm what i was dreading :( |
| 02:01.14 | alphabeat | hmm..maybe it's doing it's nightly maintenance duties |
| 02:01.28 | alphabeat | assuming it's in usa/eu |
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| 02:13.32 | Staticwave_Ace | anyone know why qtopia doesn't notify me that there's voicemail? |
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| 02:23.40 | ssweeny | Staticwave_Ace, do you get a text message from "129"? |
| 02:26.31 | ljp | it determined that the caller wasnt worthy of your time, so ignored it |
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| 02:27.32 | ljp | Staticwave_Ace: usually a sms from your provider issues the voicemail notification |
| 02:29.35 | alphabeat | how does it get cleared ljp? |
| 02:29.51 | alphabeat | i guess when you call the designated voicemail number? |
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| 02:38.33 | rwhitby | sets up http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/images/freesmartphone/ and http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/freesmartphone/ |
| 02:39.49 | alphabeat | wow that was quick rwhitby |
| 02:40.17 | rwhitby | alphabeat: I had started a build there last night, just in case shr.bearstech.com didn't get fixed quickly. |
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| 02:40.19 | alphabeat | maybe i'll use those images. building seems to be taking a while... |
| 02:40.23 | alphabeat | oh right |
| 02:40.43 | rwhitby | (for my own use - I just had to do the stuff to sync it to the osuosl server to make it public) |
| 02:41.03 | rwhitby | packages will build now and sync when they are done |
| 02:41.06 | alphabeat | is it hosted in australia? |
| 02:41.17 | rwhitby | no, OSUOSL, in the same rack as master.kernel.org |
| 02:41.27 | alphabeat | ah right |
| 02:42.02 | rwhitby | http://osuosl.org/hosting/clients#nslu2 |
| 02:42.07 | alphabeat | that would be quite the rack then eh? |
| 02:42.32 | ljp | alphabeat: what do you mean 'cleared'? |
| 02:42.45 | rwhitby | alphabeat: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/osuosl |
| 02:43.02 | alphabeat | ljp: you know how in most phones you get that icon that says you have a voice message? was wondering how that would toggle off so to speak |
| 02:43.23 | alphabeat | rwhitby: this is like geek porn! |
| 02:43.34 | rwhitby | the new machine is http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/NAS-Server |
| 02:43.52 | alphabeat | sexy |
| 02:43.54 | ljp | alphabeat: clicking on it will clear it |
| 02:44.07 | rwhitby | (we have two big iron servers at osuosl, paid for by nslu2-linux community donations of about $10K over the last four years) |
| 02:44.15 | alphabeat | ljp: ok great |
| 02:45.06 | alphabeat | that makes sense ;) |
| 02:46.07 | alphabeat | hehe jacques and the rack: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/osuosl/IMG_2046 should have been facing backwards so it said "jacques's back and the rack" |
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| 02:49.59 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07fso-makefile * r3f781c157be0 10/Makefile: Makefile: Better fix for the common dependencies |
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| 03:10.45 | slaxxin | nice rack |
| 03:12.34 | Staticwave_Ace | ljp: receiving no such messages |
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| 03:14.30 | ljp | which version? the 4.3.2 release? |
| 03:14.53 | Staticwave_Ace | yup |
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| 03:17.10 | ljp | well, you wouldnt see the messages, just the notification that you have a voicemail |
| 03:17.10 | Staticwave_Ace | well, no notification |
| 03:17.10 | Staticwave_Ace | missed 3 voice messages so far :-/ |
| 03:18.02 | ljp | hmm |
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| 03:18.46 | Staticwave_Ace | anything I can poke to see what's wrong? |
| 03:20.58 | rwhitby | raster: I leave my GTA01 running fso-testing on overnight, and find that enlightenment -profile fso is using 47.7% of the memory. Any ideas why? |
| 03:21.25 | raster | rwhitby: what build? |
| 03:21.55 | raster | it could have been the gsm gadget leak that should be fixed now |
| 03:22.11 | rwhitby | hang on and I'll get a version number for you. it is a bit old since shr has been broken and I haven't been able to update it |
| 03:23.03 | raster | that may be why |
| 03:24.31 | rwhitby | now that I have some feeds on a machine that I have root on, I can update it anywa |
| 03:25.06 | rwhitby | Upgrading e-wm on root from 0.16.999.043+svnr35592-r11 to 0.16.999.043+svnr35727-r11... |
| 03:25.46 | rwhitby | chuckles at people who have 0.xxx.yyyy.zzzz version numbers. Just increment the first number for chrissake! |
| 03:26.36 | raster | thats what svnrevs are for :) |
| 03:27.14 | rwhitby | makes sure that version 7.8 is the first version that actually works, to train people that there's nothing magical about 1.0 ... |
| 03:28.13 | mwester_ | is guilty of that; but blames vendor's marketing departments for training the public on version numbers. |
| 03:29.00 | raster | yeah |
| 03:29.32 | rwhitby | raster: who's your marketing department that's forcing you to use 0.xxx.yyy ? |
| 03:30.10 | rwhitby | just call it version 17.43 ... |
| 03:32.10 | raster | well its not e17 |
| 03:32.13 | raster | or 0.17 |
| 03:32.26 | raster | 1.0 for me has been a goal meaning "i'm done - next project" |
| 03:32.45 | raster | so i'm not going to do 1.0 out of principle |
| 03:32.48 | raster | until i am done |
| 03:32.49 | raster | :) |
| 03:32.52 | rwhitby | what a waste of a first digit :-) |
| 03:35.34 | raster | its there for ohthers to use after me |
| 03:35.35 | raster | :) |
| 03:36.09 | mwester_ | Instead of version 1.1, they could just call it "f" version 1.... |
| 03:36.10 | raster | but really |
| 03:36.14 | raster | its just a string of numbers |
| 03:36.16 | raster | doesnt much matter |
| 03:36.27 | mwester_ | Actually it does. |
| 03:36.51 | mwester_ | Who the heck decided that 1.2.3-rc4 should sort EARLIER than 1.2.3 |
| 03:36.52 | mwester_ | ? |
| 03:37.08 | raster | oh correct |
| 03:37.15 | raster | as long as the numbrs increase |
| 03:37.19 | raster | thats why its 0.16.999 |
| 03:37.22 | raster | as its nto 0.17 |
| 03:37.31 | raster | its before |
| 03:37.32 | mwester_ | right, but the decimal points are meaningless at some point too. |
| 03:37.37 | raster | so to make sure it is before... |
| 03:37.55 | mwester_ | Why not compromise at 0.16999 instead? |
| 03:38.20 | mwester_ | much easier for comparisons that way. |
| 03:38.32 | kd8ikt | http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome |
| 03:38.55 | kd8ikt | whoopz wrong chan |
| 03:39.14 | kd8ikt | evening everyone |
| 03:39.26 | raster | that is > 0.17 |
| 03:39.37 | raster | as numebrs between .'s are considered integers for comparison |
| 03:39.43 | raster | as its not as "decimal" point |
| 03:39.51 | raster | its a sub-digit marker |
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| 03:45.16 | rwhitby | raster: mwester is saying why have 0.x.y.z instead of just monotonically increasing y |
| 03:45.36 | raster | tradition |
| 03:45.38 | raster | 1.0 |
| 03:45.39 | raster | 1.1 |
| 03:45.40 | raster | 1.2 |
| 03:45.41 | raster | 1.5 |
| 03:45.43 | raster | 2.0 |
| 03:45.44 | raster | etc. |
| 03:45.55 | rwhitby | since y is 999 and has no real meaning anyway, why not just go to 0.16.1000 ? |
| 03:45.59 | raster | the numbers kind fo mean something |
| 03:46.11 | raster | 1.x -> 2.0 majr incompatible changes |
| 03:46.21 | rwhitby | I bet 999 means nothing now, since there is no way you are ever going to increment it, are you? |
| 03:46.23 | raster | X.1->X.2 small compatible changes |
| 03:46.53 | raster | X.Y.1 ->. X.Y.2 just bugfixes and security issue s- no susbstantive feature or compatibility change |
| 03:47.06 | rwhitby | and what does your fourth level mean? |
| 03:47.28 | SpeedEvil | He's killed a lot of bugs! |
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| 03:47.48 | raster | thats just a release # |
| 03:48.05 | raster | ie just whenever i make a snapshot i incrument it |
| 03:48.06 | raster | means nothing |
| 03:48.29 | raster | and i added the 0.43 release instead fo increasing 999 |
| 03:48.38 | raster | as i kind fo stole 99 to mean "well.. almost done" |
| 03:48.50 | raster | its just the state until 0.17.0 |
| 03:48.58 | raster | unfortunately been there a bit too long |
| 03:49.26 | raster | the 4th release # will go |
| 03:49.31 | mwester | thinks version numbers are being rather overloaded, and much of that state might be better represented in release notes, or a project tracking document, but that's just an opinion... |
| 03:50.14 | raster | back to normal versions #'s then |
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| 03:53.25 | AntonTakk | ok, i think the reason my app doesn't display a gui on my desktop may be related to diferent versions of edje between my desktop and the fr |
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| 03:58.24 | weirdedout | any way to switch off the predictive mode keyboard on om2008.8? |
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| 04:04.04 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1971: keep retrieving all SMS list even there is no message in SIM ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1971 ) |
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| 04:17.23 | pabs3 | weirdedout: need to install illume-config or something IIRC |
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| 04:19.08 | weirdedout | pabs, np |
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| 04:29.16 | weirdedout | pabs3, thanks works a treat. I can actually browse now. |
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| 04:45.41 | pabs3 | wow, FR has way more sliders in alsa than my laptop |
| 04:47.53 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 04:47.59 | kd8ikt | like 50 devices |
| 04:48.37 | kd8ikt | def need someone to chat with on the other line for awhile to help in tweaking states |
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| 05:02.27 | SpeedEvil | 96 ish |
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| 05:11.08 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4633 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/ (13 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 05:11.08 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Highlights: |
| 05:11.08 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - a lot more wave operations: mathematics, deglitching, digitizing |
| 05:11.08 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - wavefirms can now be loaded from a file |
| 05:11.08 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - made a first pass at cleaning up triggers (finally !) |
| 05:11.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - some renaming, e.g., tmc.wave.analog_wave is now called just tmc.wave.analog |
| 05:11.13 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - waveforms are now downloaded from the scope, not the channel |
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| 05:12.52 | pabs3 | anyone know if the freerunner hardware is multi-touch capable? |
| 05:13.35 | ArteK_Work | pabs3 : no |
| 05:13.39 | summatusmentis | pabs3: not sure, afaik there isn't any software written that way |
| 05:14.23 | pabs3 | ArteK_Work: the hardware doesn't do it? |
| 05:14.38 | AntonTakk | pabs3: no |
| 05:14.45 | pabs3 | bummer |
| 05:15.03 | AntonTakk | eh, not so much imho |
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| 05:15.38 | AntonTakk | mu;ti-touch would just smudge up the sceen that much faster |
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| 05:21.37 | Tronic | You have to have the screen completely saturated by grease, then it doesn't matter anymore. |
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| 05:23.44 | AntonTakk | i'd rather have buttons and slide out kb (ala average htc device) than multi-touch |
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| 05:26.11 | prjktdtnt | Does 2008.8 still have the option to vibrate only on incoming calls/SMS? I am at work and must have my phone silenced |
| 05:26.18 | pabs3 | just liked the iphone's zoom method |
| 05:26.37 | pabs3 | but slide kb would be good though |
| 05:29.00 | weirdedout | has anyone here got the accelerometer working in om2008.8? |
| 05:29.47 | weirdedout | prjktdtnt, vibrate only is an option but I haven't tested it to verify that it actually works. |
| 05:30.19 | prjktdtnt | weirdedout: I haven't received my phone yet but that is the first change I need to make as I almost never set my phone to vibrate |
| 05:30.29 | prjktdtnt | I would like to also make my own custom rings for people I know |
| 05:30.38 | prjktdtnt | (for when the phone isn't silenced) |
| 05:31.41 | AntonTakk | prjktdtnt: i know the qtopia apps seem to support that, never actually tried thou |
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| 05:32.17 | prjktdtnt | antontakk: I am going to leave 2007.2 on the flash and put 2008.8 on the SD card, didn't plan on running qtopia |
| 05:32.48 | AntonTakk | prjktdtnt: 2008.8 is qtopia apps with qt ported to X |
| 05:33.22 | prjktdtnt | antontakk: ok that actually clears up quite a bit, so it's essentially an X port of qtopia? |
| 05:33.34 | AntonTakk | yes and no |
| 05:33.51 | AntonTakk | the apps are used, but only the dialer and contacts are installed by default |
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| 05:33.56 | AntonTakk | no today-style app |
| 05:34.17 | prjktdtnt | ok that makes sense, probably will be a lot more clear when my phone shows up this week and I have time to mess with it |
| 05:34.25 | slaxxin | debian on sd is working well for me |
| 05:34.58 | prjktdtnt | does anyone have screenshots of how it looks running on the OM and of the dialer, contacts, gprs/wifi, etc? |
| 05:35.02 | prjktdtnt | (debian that is) |
| 05:35.19 | slaxxin | no |
| 05:35.35 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.51 | slaxxin | it uses zhone |
| 05:35.56 | prjktdtnt | will have to look, I saw there's a wiki called manual debian, looks interesting |
| 05:36.00 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.18 | slaxxin | then theres X |
| 05:36.57 | prjktdtnt | someone posted shots of debian with xfce on OM |
| 05:37.03 | prjktdtnt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian |
| 05:37.09 | prjktdtnt | looks pretty cool actually |
| 05:37.11 | slaxxin | i would pur 20080904 then something else on sd |
| 05:38.15 | slaxxin | i ran the sdcard debian 2 days an it worked |
| 05:39.00 | AntonTakk | slaxxin: 20080904 - asu release? |
| 05:39.17 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.23 | AntonTakk | i think that's the one i tried last, crashed on me |
| 05:39.49 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.58 | AntonTakk | 7/15 :) |
| 05:40.14 | slaxxin | 421 |
| 05:40.43 | AntonTakk | used it as my daily phone for quite a while before trying fso ms2 |
| 05:41.21 | slaxxin | i used the latest qtopia for a few days 2 |
| 05:41.59 | slaxxin | 4.3.3 |
| 05:42.12 | slaxxin | im liking debian |
| 05:42.31 | slaxxin | justt need to squeeze it |
| 05:43.02 | AntonTakk | eh, i'm not a fan of debian |
| 05:43.35 | slaxxin | is that 7.15 an non updated i guess |
| 05:43.49 | slaxxin | wat are u a fan of? |
| 05:43.56 | prjktdtnt | I might just get a few SD cards to test various distros on the phone without having to flash it from factory |
| 05:44.08 | slaxxin | yay |
| 05:44.16 | slaxxin | 4 2 gigs |
| 05:44.27 | prjktdtnt | microSD is what it uses correct? |
| 05:44.51 | slaxxin | trade that 512 meg off quick |
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| 05:45.20 | prjktdtnt | microSD cards are cheap at newegg anyway, 1GB for about $10 |
| 05:45.25 | AntonTakk | slaxxin: yes, non-updated |
| 05:45.41 | prjktdtnt | can the FR handle 4GB SD cards? |
| 05:45.42 | slaxxin | maybe u can get a 10 pack for35 bucks |
| 05:46.16 | slaxxin | micro-sdcards |
| 05:46.43 | prjktdtnt | can they handle 4GB though or are they maxed out at 2GB? |
| 05:46.54 | pabs3 | mine has a 4G one |
| 05:47.04 | pabs3 | there is a kernel bug where the partition table gets corrupted on suspend though |
| 05:47.23 | AntonTakk | slaxxin: well, i like 2007.2 apps, but phone-kit always zombies on me, it actually worked like 10 times with the sim i have now, but does not now, even using the same image as those 10 times, so i prefer fso |
| 05:47.32 | prjktdtnt | pabs3: yuck |
| 05:47.57 | pabs3 | prjktdtnt: not a big deal, just remember the fdisk command used to partition and run it very now and then |
| 05:48.12 | prjktdtnt | pabs3: i'm guessing they're working on that |
| 05:48.20 | pabs3 | I hope so :) |
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| 05:49.31 | prjktdtnt | so it doesn't corrupt to unusable on first suspend then? Also what about just fscking it every now and then? |
| 05:49.59 | pabs3 | doesn't corrupt the filesystem, just the partition table |
| 05:50.16 | slaxxin | http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0012Y2LLE?smid=A2BYVMH7NSQ63F&tag=shopzilla_rev_1356-20&linkCode=asn |
| 05:51.04 | prjktdtnt | sweet, will order that on payday I hope |
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| 05:52.20 | slaxxin | i think several 2 gig cards are in order |
| 05:52.21 | prjktdtnt | pabs3: what about just making that fdisk command a chronjob? |
| 05:52.32 | AntonTakk | pabs3: could always store a backup of the partition table on the card and write a script to restore it on boot |
| 05:52.37 | prjktdtnt | slaxxin: newegg has 2gb for under $10 shipped |
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| 05:53.06 | prjktdtnt | i take that back, just over $10 shipped |
| 05:53.09 | pabs3 | I guess, fixing the kernel would be better |
| 05:53.14 | prjktdtnt | dont know if they can combine shipping |
| 05:53.29 | prjktdtnt | $4.79 + $6.99 shipping for kingston 2GB |
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| 05:53.49 | slaxxin | http://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-MicroSDHC-Memory-Adapter-Packaging/dp/B000SMVQK8/ref=pd_sim_e_2 |
| 05:55.10 | prjktdtnt | slaxxin: nice find |
| 05:55.57 | slaxxin | i need some dedian assistance |
| 05:56.08 | slaxxin | debian |
| 05:56.16 | slaxxin | please |
| 05:56.43 | pabs3 | best ask the question so someone can answer |
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| 05:59.29 | slaxxin | i have the install done (i think) and the keyboard comes up with the aux button |
| 05:59.46 | AntonTakk | flashing 7/15 now, need a usable phone |
| 06:00.05 | slaxxin | an i can press ctl alt x to get the konsole |
| 06:00.14 | AntonTakk | and already said my mom could use my wing |
| 06:00.39 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.05 | pabs3 | why do you do startx?? |
| 06:01.15 | slaxxin | i dont know |
| 06:01.32 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.56 | pabs3 | if you get the keyboard x is running |
| 06:01.56 | slaxxin | i guess i need a window manager |
| 06:02.01 | slaxxin | ok |
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| 06:02.07 | pabs3 | yeah, illume isn't packaged yet |
| 06:02.07 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.18 | prjktdtnt | antontakk: I am going to have to find a stable image too since I will be replacing a phone that isn't working properly I'd like to do it with one that does lol |
| 06:02.42 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.54 | AntonTakk | prjktdtnt: i can up the image i am flashing now, I used it as a daily phone for a few weeks |
| 06:03.02 | pabs3 | slaxxin: ssh in, apt-get install fluxbox |
| 06:03.08 | slaxxin | ok |
| 06:03.17 | pabs3 | I think openbox uses less ram though |
| 06:03.23 | slaxxin | ok |
| 06:03.44 | slaxxin | an that will get me a desktop? |
| 06:03.46 | AntonTakk | pfft - midnight commander all the way! :) |
| 06:04.19 | slaxxin | lightweight desktop? |
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| 06:04.29 | AntonTakk | no, ncurses file manager |
| 06:04.55 | pabs3 | slaxxin: well, openbox/fluxbox are desktops, but I imagine not too useful on a phone |
| 06:05.13 | pabs3 | people do run xfce on it though, so each to their own |
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| 06:06.09 | slaxxin | id need a really good pair of bifocals with telescopic lenses |
| 06:06.58 | pabs3 | its weird, my computer speakers make noise whenever the FR connects to the GSM network |
| 06:07.12 | slaxxin | an it happens alot |
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| 06:08.06 | prjktdtnt | pabs3: it's the GSM chip interference, my phone too close to my car's stereo does the same thing |
| 06:09.23 | slaxxin | all that interfacing uses battery |
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| 06:10.01 | slaxxin | i dont recall zhone doing it alot |
| 06:10.42 | pabs3 | yeah, running qtopia on the internal flash atm |
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| 06:11.40 | slaxxin | 4.3.3 has handwiting recog |
| 06:12.13 | slaxxin | pretty tricky |
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| 06:12.47 | slaxxin | zhone accessed the att network 1 time |
| 06:13.10 | slaxxin | will see if it does it again anytime soon |
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| 06:14.26 | AntonTakk | slaxxin: ime you need to start the dialer a time or two for it to register, i looked at the code once, seems it doesn't try to register until you start the dialer anyways |
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| 06:15.16 | AntonTakk | pabs3: clicking noises? |
| 06:15.43 | pabs3 | yeah, some |
| 06:16.38 | AntonTakk | i bet i have experienced similar - the transmitter/receiver is not a "superhetrodyne" type, so it emits noise while receiving |
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| 06:16.48 | AntonTakk | i believe that is the cause, anyways |
| 06:17.03 | AntonTakk | could be wrong thou |
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| 06:24.13 | slaxxin | it fills the att bar |
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| 06:31.04 | fish | re |
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| 06:33.35 | tg | hi |
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| 06:38.06 | tg | anyone knows if it's possible somehow to check my balance? |
| 06:38.20 | tg | i normally call *102# on other phones |
| 06:38.30 | tg | but this doesnt really work on ASU |
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| 06:49.58 | torpor | anynoe know how to get a browser in the qtopia image? |
| 06:50.47 | tg | opkg install minimo |
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| 06:50.56 | tg | you have to add the angstrom repos first, tho |
| 06:52.11 | tg | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Users_Repositories#Om_2008.8 |
| 06:52.11 | tg | here |
| 06:52.41 | tg | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Minimo |
| 06:52.42 | tg | and this one |
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| 06:57.55 | AntonTakk | torindel: qtopia, or asu? |
| 06:58.26 | AntonTakk | er |
| 06:58.33 | AntonTakk | torpor ^^ |
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| 07:05.01 | timo2k | tangogps doesnt fetches maps.. somebody know how to solve? internet access is ok |
| 07:05.45 | timo2k | have done opkg install tangogps -force-reinstall without success :( |
| 07:06.31 | pabs3 | you sure the net is ok? |
| 07:07.15 | timo2k | I can ping hosts over my ssh connection |
| 07:07.35 | viq | try telnet to port 80 on something outside |
| 07:07.40 | viq | or wget or something |
| 07:08.17 | timo2k | telnet working |
| 07:09.04 | timo2k | oh it seems that my map storage location is broken... |
| 07:09.16 | viq | That helps ;) |
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| 07:10.03 | timo2k | strange if I'm typing ls the directory /media/card is empty.. if I'm typing mkdir OSM it says that that dir already exists?! |
| 07:11.16 | timo2k | broken card? |
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| 07:16.00 | kwek | hey.. been away the weekend.. 2008.9 not there yet? |
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| 07:17.49 | MacPac | hey |
| 07:18.01 | MacPac | anyone online? |
| 07:18.19 | MacPac | just got my openmoko in the mail |
| 07:18.24 | AntonTakk | kwek: i believe the 2008.8-update directory on downloads..... |
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| 07:18.35 | AntonTakk | hey MacPac |
| 07:18.38 | MacPac | trying to figure out how the heck i install anything on it |
| 07:18.48 | MacPac | anyone got an easy guide? |
| 07:18.52 | MacPac | for idiots? |
| 07:19.00 | AntonTakk | MacPac: followed the usb networking instructions on the wiki? |
| 07:19.01 | MacPac | cus the wiki is a horrible read |
| 07:19.01 | kwek | AntonTakk, ok ill just update then |
| 07:19.34 | MacPac | so first thing is read the usb networking |
| 07:19.41 | AntonTakk | read and setup |
| 07:19.51 | AntonTakk | once you can successfully ping a site by name |
| 07:19.52 | MacPac | i've read and im dumbfounded |
| 07:20.02 | AntonTakk | ah |
| 07:20.10 | AntonTakk | what os is on your desktop? |
| 07:20.11 | MacPac | severe newbie |
| 07:20.15 | MacPac | mac os |
| 07:20.20 | AntonTakk | x, or 9? |
| 07:20.23 | MacPac | X |
| 07:20.43 | MacPac | im ashamed to call myself a developer |
| 07:20.50 | MacPac | lol |
| 07:21.19 | AntonTakk | looked at this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#USB_Networking ? |
| 07:21.35 | MacPac | checking it now |
| 07:22.13 | MacPac | ill look through it now and try it out |
| 07:22.14 | MacPac | many thanks |
| 07:22.17 | AntonTakk | np |
| 07:22.24 | MacPac | ill get bk if i got any probs |
| 07:22.28 | MacPac | cheers |
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| 07:28.15 | timo2k | uhm.. somebody has the correct URI for openstreetmap in tangogps? Ive cleared my URI |
| 07:30.27 | pabs3 | timo2k: http://tile.openstreetmap.org/%d/%d/%d.png |
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| 07:32.06 | timo2k | pabs3: thanks! |
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| 07:52.36 | relax_guyz | hi , do freerunner support gtk-2.12? |
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| 07:57.03 | XorA | yes |
| 07:57.09 | ieatlint | gtk+-fastscaling_2.10.14-r2 |
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| 07:58.38 | XorA | 2.12.X is in testing and unstable feeds |
| 07:59.44 | ieatlint | really? ./fso-unstable/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/gtk+-fastscaling_2.10.14-r2_armv4t.ipk |
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| 08:00.44 | minipanda | hi, anybody familiar with howto build toolchain for openmoko? |
| 08:01.17 | minipanda | i have some question about how to optimalized for Openmoko, |
| 08:01.28 | minipanda | like make -Os -march=armv4t -mtune=arm920t as the default setting |
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| 08:08.06 | viq | Is there a way to manually set clock, or only via rdate? |
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| 08:10.52 | harnir | ntpdate |
| 08:10.56 | harnir | date --set 'date' |
| 08:11.08 | viq | oh, date --set, didn't know this one, thanks |
| 08:11.57 | lindi- | viq: how have you set date in the past? |
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| 08:12.04 | viq | Apparently 'date' on my FR doesn't know it either :P |
| 08:12.42 | viq | lindi-: in those three days I have my FR I've been using rdate to synch off of my laptop |
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| 08:16.06 | lindi- | viq: but how do you do it on your laptop? |
| 08:17.20 | viq | openntpd, it does it itself. And those very rare ocasions I had to do it manually I believe date is for that, but the date on FR (om2007 ATM) doesn't seem to support the option |
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| 08:18.19 | MacPac | aloha |
| 08:18.34 | MacPac | anyone able to help me get the connection up with openmoko |
| 08:18.40 | ieatlint | someone just needs to cross compile an existing tool to set the clock via gps |
| 08:18.46 | MacPac | im runnin mac os c |
| 08:18.47 | MacPac | mac os x** |
| 08:18.59 | viq | ah, date -s |
| 08:19.06 | ieatlint | sorry, i only know how to work with os c |
| 08:19.12 | ieatlint | and os/2 |
| 08:19.26 | MacPac | i just got my openmoko and experiencing some probs |
| 08:19.31 | MacPac | installed Apple CDC Ethernet driver 10.5.x |
| 08:19.33 | viq | ieatlint: yes, that would be the best |
| 08:20.02 | MacPac | ive restarted |
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| 08:20.19 | MacPac | im in network preferences.. however i cant setup the ip-addr, subnet router etc.. |
| 08:20.40 | MacPac | the device shows up as RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget 2 |
| 08:21.11 | MacPac | but doesnt give me any permissions on setting up the ip-addr etc.. |
| 08:21.22 | MacPac | can anyone help please? |
| 08:21.52 | ieatlint | impressively i can't seem to find any mainstream apps to set the clock with gps... which seems stupid |
| 08:22.03 | MacPac | the options i got is configuration, telephone number, account name, password :S |
| 08:22.31 | MacPac | in advanced pref pane i get vendor: apple, model apple modem v.34 etc.. |
| 08:22.51 | ieatlint | ah, gpsd supports it.. "gpsd can provide reference clock information to ntpd, to keep the system clock synchronized to the time provided by the GPS receiver." |
| 08:23.06 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:23.13 | ieatlint | http://gpsd.berlios.de/gpsd.html |
| 08:23.13 | viq | ieatlint: openntpd can use GPS as time sensor, but I don't know how OpenBSD specific it is |
| 08:23.28 | viq | oh |
| 08:24.12 | ieatlint | that would be an intelligent thing to set as standard |
| 08:24.27 | viq | ieatlint: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Date#Setting_the_date.2Ftime_automatically_with_gps |
| 08:24.33 | viq | yes |
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| 08:25.24 | ieatlint | i also think telnet listening on usb0 would be smart and solve this annoying as all hell ssh key issue each time you flash :P |
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| 08:27.02 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r301b4e7eccac 10/packages/python/ (python-pygame-1.8.1/Setup python-pygame_1.8.1.bb): [python-pygame] fix python-pygame-1.8.1/Setup to let it usable |
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| 08:28.55 | MacPac | anyone? |
| 08:29.01 | MacPac | im a newb and need serious help |
| 08:29.12 | MacPac | kinda sucks that it takes so long to set free runner up |
| 08:29.24 | MacPac | prob cus im an idiot at this |
| 08:29.25 | MacPac | but still |
| 08:29.32 | MacPac | anyone? |
| 08:29.39 | pabs3 | MacPac: wiki says you need a patched driver for usb networking on osx: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#USB_Networking |
| 08:29.59 | MacPac | yeah i downloaded the patch and installed it |
| 08:30.13 | MacPac | restarted as well |
| 08:30.16 | pabs3 | ah, try the other driver then I guess |
| 08:31.53 | kwek | guess he did |
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| 08:34.05 | MacPac | sorry d/c |
| 08:34.34 | MacPac | sorry got d/c |
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| 08:48.55 | Shlee | How long does it take to flash/upgrade an OM? |
| 08:49.23 | leinir | A couple of minutes :) |
| 08:49.35 | ieatlint | more like several |
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| 08:49.50 | ieatlint | ~5-7min |
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| 08:50.13 | MacPac | sorry got disconnected 4-5 times in a row and lost my connection completely |
| 08:50.23 | MacPac | sorry got disconnected 4-5 times in a row and lost my connection completely |
| 08:50.28 | Shlee | Enough time to drink a beer at a meetup.. good :) |
| 08:51.23 | ieatlint | if you're aiming to get drunk, sure |
| 08:51.32 | ieatlint | otherwise it's enough time to order a beer and get it :P |
| 08:55.16 | MacPac | hey guys |
| 08:55.23 | MacPac | how do i stop my free runner from pinging my mac? |
| 08:55.32 | MacPac | i cant do ctl+c |
| 08:55.35 | MacPac | :P |
| 08:56.10 | gromez | open a new ssh session and pkill ping |
| 08:56.47 | MacPac | oo thanks ;) |
| 08:57.09 | MacPac | well i've now managed to ping my neo from my mac and vise versa |
| 08:57.17 | MacPac | but trying to setup a ssh with it is refused |
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| 08:57.46 | MacPac | any suggested solutions? |
| 08:58.39 | MacPac | wtf.. it works now |
| 08:58.49 | MacPac | nvm |
| 08:59.19 | MacPac | wohooo my om is alive!!! |
| 08:59.25 | MacPac | :P |
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| 09:14.08 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r882557cbdbfe 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [prefferred-om-versions] remove ffmpeg update gnash want git ffmpeg |
| 09:14.09 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rbb249a8fd989 10/packages/ffmpeg/ (ffmpeg_svn.bb files/pld-onlyarm5.patch): [ffmpeg] fix versioning and armv4 building for svn version |
| 09:14.10 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r090164d7eec1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] remove the svn ffmpeg, we want git |
| 09:14.10 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * ra5ce27648488 10/packages/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_git.bb: [ffmpeg] make default for openmoko |
| 09:14.13 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r8bc6931004d4 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: [openmoko] change to .opk files |
| 09:14.16 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * ra1888d625f1e 10/packages/python/ (python-pygame-1.8.1/Setup python-pygame_1.8.1.bb): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev |
| 09:16.18 | MacPac | man this is some tough stuff.. just getting free runner up and running |
| 09:16.25 | MacPac | didnt expect it to be this tough |
| 09:17.00 | MacPac | after i've managed to get a usb connection up and running what do i do next? |
| 09:17.34 | MacPac | do i get a flasher? |
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| 09:18.00 | pabs3 | depends what you want to do |
| 09:18.45 | MacPac | im running the basic basic stuff that comes with the free runner when purchased |
| 09:18.53 | MacPac | im just trying to get things working on it |
| 09:19.06 | MacPac | ive managed to get the usb connection between the phone and my comp to work |
| 09:21.00 | pabs3 | the paper you get with it points you at this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
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| 09:21.41 | pabs3 | I'd recommend installing dfu-util on your mac and trying all the different distros |
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| 09:22.10 | pabs3 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#Flashing_to_your_device |
| 09:22.44 | MacPac | sorry got d/c |
| 09:22.49 | MacPac | many thanks |
| 09:22.52 | MacPac | will give it a try |
| 09:23.05 | MacPac | just tried pinging google and it worked |
| 09:23.43 | MacPac | ive never really played with kernel before |
| 09:23.48 | MacPac | so this is a first for me |
| 09:25.15 | MacPac | i tried this one as well: ping www.google.com but it returns bad address |
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| 09:26.43 | MacPac | any solution on that? |
| 09:27.03 | MacPac | i can ping google's ip but not their adress |
| 09:27.10 | pabs3 | sounds like the /etc/resolv.conf doesn't have the right nameserver init |
| 09:27.12 | pabs3 | in it |
| 09:27.14 | ecraven | then your /etc/resolv.conf isn't correct |
| 09:27.23 | MacPac | ah ok |
| 09:27.29 | ecraven | look at the one on your host, then change the one on the neo to be the same |
| 09:27.34 | MacPac | how do i do / and \ in moko? |
| 09:27.44 | pabs3 | IIRC the default assumes your mac runs a nameserver |
| 09:27.45 | MacPac | i dont see them on the keyboard |
| 09:27.54 | MacPac | oh ok |
| 09:28.57 | mac2k | use a terminal on the mac and do: scp /etc/resolv.conf 192.168.0.202:/etc/ |
| 09:29.35 | mac2k | there is no / with the default keyboaed, but you can copy and paste the one from the prompt |
| 09:30.10 | MacPac | ah ok |
| 09:30.12 | MacPac | thanks :) |
| 09:30.28 | MacPac | thanks to all of you :) |
| 09:30.32 | MacPac | really making my life easier |
| 09:30.47 | MacPac | god knows what i would do if there wasnt irc |
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| 09:30.54 | MacPac | probably have chucked the phone against the wall by now :P |
| 09:31.16 | MacPac | i can have multiple dns added to it right? |
| 09:31.52 | XorA | yes |
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| 09:40.49 | MacPac | cheers xora |
| 09:43.09 | MacPac | pinging google.com worked |
| 09:43.11 | MacPac | cheers guys :) |
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| 09:46.21 | opendeep | my OM2008.8 build was failed yesterday . I cleaned the package that was failed and make setup, make update after that make openmoko-qtopia-x11-image throws ERROR:NO rule to make target 'openmoko-qtopia-x11-image' |
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| 09:47.51 | ieatlint | that means openmoko-qtopia-x11-image is not a valid target |
| 09:48.10 | ieatlint | look at Makefile, search for "-image" and see what types of images you can make |
| 09:48.31 | maddy | im trying to install Debian on free-runner. im following steps from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner/ . when im trying to Set boot partition to be vfat by running " SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all " then it is giving error like " E: Internal error: install ". can anyone help me |
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| 09:49.11 | MacPac | i'd help if i could.. but i just got my free runner 4 hours ago.. and trying to set it up :P |
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| 09:49.54 | tomboy64 | shiiiit |
| 09:49.59 | tomboy64 | my sound is gone :-X |
| 09:50.12 | tomboy64 | nor rings |
| 09:50.15 | tomboy64 | no calls |
| 09:50.18 | tomboy64 | nothing |
| 09:51.38 | maddy | MacPac: you are also trying to build Debian on free-runner? |
| 09:51.58 | ecraven | i use debian on the om |
| 09:52.06 | tomboy64 | any hints on how to restore the factory mixer settings? |
| 09:52.07 | pabs3 | tomboy64: there is a hint to fix here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Manual_Debian#Sound |
| 09:52.32 | opendeep | ieatlint: previously " make openmoko-qtopia-x11-image" no problem , when build fails then I did the above steps to resume build then the same command gives the error. |
| 09:52.37 | fredrin | maybe alsa force-reload works |
| 09:53.09 | ieatlint | opendeep, the commands you ran update the makefile |
| 09:53.22 | ieatlint | the update to the makefile may remove that target |
| 09:53.35 | ieatlint | hence, look at the makefile and see what valid targets there are |
| 09:54.02 | ieatlint | the error you get is specifically to do with that target not being in the makefile, and not due to any error with libraries or the like |
| 09:54.46 | opendeep | ieatlint:have look at this Makefile "URL: http://rafb.net/p/0ay2Gd80.html" |
| 09:54.53 | maddy | ecraven: did you build it successfully?? |
| 09:55.02 | ieatlint | opendeep, what would i be looking for? |
| 09:55.36 | ecraven | maddy: i installed according to the old guide on the wiki, no problems at al |
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| 09:56.33 | maddy | ecraven: ok |
| 09:56.39 | MacPac | i tried doing the update by using # opkg update rather than the flasher.. and i got signature check failed.. as well as failure message |
| 09:56.52 | opendeep | ieatlint:I mean to say verify the file once because I checked it twice but did not found anything that causes error. |
| 09:56.59 | ecraven | maddy: what problems do you have? |
| 09:57.09 | MacPac | any solutions? |
| 09:57.30 | ieatlint | opendeep, type "make blah" and notice you have an identical error to "make openmoko-qtopia-x11-image" |
| 09:57.48 | ieatlint | which means "make openmoko-qtopia-x11-image" is just as invalid as "make blah" |
| 09:58.07 | ieatlint | the ONLY valid image to be made with that makefile is "make openmoko-devel-image" |
| 09:58.21 | maddy | ecraven: when im trying to Set boot partition to be vfat by running " SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all " then it is giving error like " E: Internal error: install ". |
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| 09:59.15 | ecraven | maddy: sorry, never tried that, i don't like the install.sh debian (mainly because everything runs as root) |
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| 09:59.59 | TheNewAndy | would it be possible to use a freerunner + debug board to control a serial port based servo motor controller? |
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| 10:01.15 | opendeep | Here I am building ASU image, as mentioned in Makefile the make openmoko-qtopia-x11-image is valid, it worked also until build fails, now I tried openmoko-devel-image gives the same error |
| 10:01.45 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick * r4634 10/trunk/feeds/community-repository/file-index.txt: adding omview to community repository |
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| 10:04.32 | ieatlint | well it's your makefile |
| 10:04.40 | ieatlint | and the problem is entirely in that one file |
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| 10:05.05 | ieatlint | blah, damnit |
| 10:05.20 | MacPac | hey guys im trying to do the update and i just get error messages |
| 10:05.36 | MacPac | first its the signature checks |
| 10:05.40 | MacPac | and then i get the 404 |
| 10:06.37 | MacPac | should i use flashing instead? |
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| 10:06.50 | tomboy64 | pabs3: thanks for your hint, but didn't work |
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| 10:07.58 | tomboy64 | MacPac: signature checks are not enabled yet |
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| 10:08.10 | tomboy64 | e.g. signatures are currently not used |
| 10:08.27 | tomboy64 | so if you just get 404s for the signatures - ignore them |
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| 10:08.47 | tomboy64 | but if you get 404s for the package-files your fr can't connect to the repos |
| 10:08.56 | tomboy64 | most probably dns-issues |
| 10:13.15 | MacPac | hmm |
| 10:13.19 | MacPac | but i fixed my dns |
| 10:13.25 | MacPac | so that i could ping google.com |
| 10:13.31 | MacPac | which works well |
| 10:13.55 | MacPac | know of any way to solve that? |
| 10:14.42 | pabs3 | anyone use qtopia? how do I get rid of the map on the homescreen? |
| 10:14.52 | dns53 | edit your /etc/resolv.conf and add an entry: nameserver 208.67.222.222 |
| 10:15.42 | edistar | pabs3: don't use that skin or disable world clock in the homescreen settings menu |
| 10:18.46 | MacPac | dns53 - edited my dns but still get the 404 |
| 10:18.59 | MacPac | i can ping google.com etc.. |
| 10:19.21 | pabs3 | edistar: bummer, I liked that skin, oh well |
| 10:19.24 | dns53 | they are not yet generating signatures and some repo's may be broken |
| 10:19.54 | MacPac | what do i do to update then? |
| 10:20.05 | MacPac | is flasher only way? |
| 10:20.07 | edistar | pabs3: I did too.. you can configure it |
| 10:20.09 | dns53 | you run opkg update and opkg upgrade |
| 10:20.26 | dns53 | you can't upgrade to 2008.8 directly |
| 10:20.43 | pabs3 | edistar: the Smart one? it doesn't seem to honour the settings in homescreen |
| 10:20.58 | MacPac | oh ok. so how do i upgrade to 2008.8? |
| 10:22.03 | MacPac | the opkg only gives me 404 and upgrade returns nothing to be done |
| 10:23.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4635 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/ (demo/rigoldump.py demo/screen.py lib/scope.py): |
| 10:23.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Cleanup to make downloads work. |
| 10:23.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - demo/screen.py: don't import popen2 |
| 10:23.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - lib/scope.py (rigol_ds1000c.wave): fixed various silly bugs preventing it |
| 10:23.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: from running at all |
| 10:23.07 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - demo/rigoldump.py: example for a full dump of all channels |
| 10:24.32 | MacPac | dns53: how do i get the 2008.8 then? |
| 10:24.44 | dns53 | you need to flash it |
| 10:25.08 | MacPac | ah ok |
| 10:25.12 | MacPac | ill give that a try then :) |
| 10:25.13 | MacPac | cheers |
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| 10:27.41 | MacPac | ugh disconnected again |
| 10:27.47 | MacPac | trying the flasher |
| 10:28.02 | edistar | pabs3: try restarting qtopia, otherwise I don't really know |
| 10:29.13 | lpotter | pabs3: need to edit the theme's homescreen.xml |
| 10:29.52 | MacPac | when using the flasher |
| 10:29.56 | MacPac | and upgrade to 2008.8 |
| 10:30.19 | MacPac | does it matter which order the files are installed? |
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| 10:31.48 | dns53 | it's just writing a file system, as long as you write both the kernel and rootfs before booting it makes no difference |
| 10:32.04 | MacPac | aite cheers |
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| 10:32.19 | MacPac | downloading files then try to reboot FR into the right mode |
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| 11:04.12 | XorA | ~curse firefox |
| 11:04.13 | apt | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, firefox ! |
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| 11:07.21 | amarsh04 | did you have firefox lose its history file or something XorA? |
| 11:07.35 | XorA | it forgot how to successfully build |
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| 11:08.23 | MacPac | hey guys |
| 11:08.30 | MacPac | im trying the flasher |
| 11:08.38 | MacPac | for mac |
| 11:08.47 | MacPac | and when i select the repository there is only 2007.1 |
| 11:09.01 | MacPac | so i select refresh and nothing happens |
| 11:09.27 | MacPac | i'd like to load 2008.8 |
| 11:09.53 | MacPac | ive also downloaded all the files |
| 11:09.56 | MacPac | and tried to open them |
| 11:10.00 | MacPac | but that doesnt work either |
| 11:10.00 | kwek | MacPac, i think its broken.. just do it manually - did you read the gettingstarted wiki page? |
| 11:10.20 | MacPac | yeh i ive read it |
| 11:10.32 | MacPac | i couldnt get the first method to work |
| 11:10.34 | MacPac | so tried the flasher |
| 11:10.39 | kwek | MacPac, here we really expect you to read a bit further before asking all these basic questions. |
| 11:10.40 | MacPac | and that didnt work either :( |
| 11:10.51 | MacPac | i understand |
| 11:10.57 | MacPac | but the wiki isn't very well written |
| 11:11.02 | MacPac | especially for newbies |
| 11:11.06 | MacPac | such as myself |
| 11:11.23 | kwek | yeah we know now.. i wonder why you bought a freerunner then but well |
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| 11:11.34 | kwek | anyway 'doesnt work' doesnt give much to work on no? |
| 11:11.57 | MacPac | when i tried the update i got 404 errors |
| 11:11.59 | XorA | Im not even sure what flasher we are talking about |
| 11:12.05 | XorA | is this some Mac only software? |
| 11:12.06 | kwek | ive used a mac here and it all works well so be more specific |
| 11:12.33 | mac2k | XorA: yes, the mac useres have a nice gui |
| 11:12.37 | MacPac | flasher for mac |
| 11:12.41 | XorA | wow |
| 11:12.43 | mac2k | but i think that thing is broken |
| 11:12.45 | XorA | I didnt know that |
| 11:12.48 | MacPac | this flasher http://www.dsitri.de/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Flasher |
| 11:12.50 | kwek | yeah its broken indeed |
| 11:13.03 | mac2k | MacPac: uses the commandline tool also distributed with the gui |
| 11:13.40 | XorA | I guess it broke because the directories changed around for the 2008.8 release |
| 11:13.41 | MacPac | commandline for OpenMoko Flasher? |
| 11:13.42 | mac2k | MacPac: take a look at the commands under the explanation of the gui version herE: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#Graphical_Flashing_with_Openmoko_Flasher \ |
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| 11:13.56 | MacPac | cheers |
| 11:15.56 | MacPac | reason why i wanted to try the free runner cus it looked like a lot of fun an alternative to the iPhone.. its openSource so chances are it will develop real fast and got a lot of cutting edge apps |
| 11:16.13 | MacPac | that the iphone wont have due to apple being anal about what they permit on their platforme etc.. |
| 11:16.44 | MacPac | and i want to try to learn the basics |
| 11:17.07 | ecraven | hehe, at the moment, it's rather clear which platform has better (any?) apps ;) |
| 11:17.07 | MacPac | to see if i can contribute in some way |
| 11:17.11 | MacPac | atm yes.. but in the future? |
| 11:17.34 | ecraven | that's what i'm counting on too ;) |
| 11:17.49 | MacPac | i dont like being tied down to phone companies etc.. |
| 11:17.55 | MacPac | and they screw us over anyway |
| 11:18.05 | MacPac | so open is the way to go :) |
| 11:18.17 | MacPac | and if i can help id love to |
| 11:18.25 | MacPac | but first i gotta learn the basics and make the thing work :P |
| 11:18.27 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4636 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/ (4 files): On-going work on supporting MMC-SPI also with the S3C SPI driver. |
| 11:18.32 | MacPac | which seems to give me a lot of problems lol |
| 11:18.37 | ecraven | MacPac: do you know any programming languages? |
| 11:18.45 | MacPac | yeah a few |
| 11:18.46 | ecraven | MacPac: what are you aiming for? fso? debian? 2008.8? |
| 11:18.54 | MacPac | 2008.8 |
| 11:19.10 | ecraven | i tried about a month ago, flashing worked well |
| 11:19.26 | MacPac | i kno the basics in a few languages |
| 11:19.37 | MacPac | ive just never messed in the kernel |
| 11:19.45 | MacPac | or terminal that much |
| 11:19.56 | MacPac | did you use the flasher? |
| 11:20.05 | ecraven | i'd concentrate on python, and things above the framework, if you aren't much of a C coder or device driver developper |
| 11:20.09 | ecraven | dfu-util |
| 11:21.10 | MacPac | do u use the minicom or just right from terminal? |
| 11:21.53 | ecraven | read the wiki page |
| 11:22.09 | MacPac | i think the first thing ill do when i've gotten everything up and running is to write 'a complete idiots guide to getting free runner up and running' |
| 11:22.13 | ecraven | minicom is for interfacing with the nor/nand flash |
| 11:22.32 | ecraven | MacPac: there are about 5 such guides on the wiki, unfortunately burried and for different versions |
| 11:22.52 | MacPac | ah :9 |
| 11:23.05 | MacPac | why buried? |
| 11:23.13 | MacPac | absolete already? |
| 11:23.22 | MacPac | obsolete* |
| 11:23.54 | ecraven | no, lost in the depths of the wiki ;) |
| 11:24.05 | ecraven | some obsolete, some up to date, some where you can't quite tell... |
| 11:24.38 | ecraven | this here tells you how to flash your neo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#Phrasebook |
| 11:25.26 | MacPac | aite cheers |
| 11:25.59 | MacPac | i hate the 30 seconds period before it turns itself off though |
| 11:27.47 | MacPac | how do i permit dfu-util commands? |
| 11:28.14 | MacPac | i sorry if i come off as a complete idiot.. but lol i want this phone to work.. else i got a very expensive paper weight :P |
| 11:28.21 | MacPac | im sorry* |
| 11:28.48 | dns53 | you have sudo on a mac? |
| 11:29.44 | MacPac | oh i gotta boot it completely |
| 11:29.48 | MacPac | fargh |
| 11:30.08 | ecraven | no, dfu-util only works well if you are in nand-boot |
| 11:30.26 | ecraven | hm.. not sure how to do it on a mac though ;-/ |
| 11:30.35 | Dave | ecraven! |
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| 11:30.39 | ecraven | hey Dave |
| 11:30.41 | ecraven | what's up? |
| 11:30.52 | Dave | It's FSO day! |
| 11:31.02 | ecraven | milestone 3? |
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| 11:31.10 | alphabeat | Dave: really? when? |
| 11:31.14 | MacPac | sorry d/c |
| 11:31.23 | MacPac | crap singapore connection |
| 11:31.40 | Dave | No, it's just the day I'm finally going to try it :P |
| 11:31.41 | MacPac | im the admin on my comp |
| 11:31.49 | MacPac | so should have the right access priviliges |
| 11:31.54 | MacPac | sudo |
| 11:31.57 | Dave | well, I'm going to build and flash the latest unstable :) |
| 11:32.25 | alphabeat | i did that today Dave |
| 11:32.33 | alphabeat | was pleasantly surprised |
| 11:32.41 | alphabeat | which kernel will you use though? |
| 11:33.29 | MacPac | are there any singaporean OM users that i could contact? |
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| 11:33.42 | m2 | Hi, I need help, somebody could help me please? |
| 11:33.58 | MacPac | ibe spent 8 hours just trying to update OM so getting quite frustrated :P |
| 11:34.03 | MacPac | ibe= ive |
| 11:34.46 | MacPac | how do i get complete control over the usb bus? |
| 11:34.53 | MacPac | which sudo command do i need? |
| 11:34.58 | kwek | ... |
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| 11:35.50 | m2 | Ehi I need help to install asu, anybody could help me please? |
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| 11:36.23 | MacPac | anyone kno the factory in taiwan producing the free runner? |
| 11:36.48 | MacPac | i'd like to drop by their plant next time im in taiwan |
| 11:37.02 | XorA | its not in Taiwan |
| 11:37.14 | MacPac | thought it was a taiwan firm? |
| 11:37.19 | MacPac | that produced it? |
| 11:37.29 | XorA | yeah, but factory is in china |
| 11:37.44 | MacPac | in shenzhen? |
| 11:37.59 | XorA | sounds familiar |
| 11:38.11 | MacPac | probably there.. its the tech cap of China |
| 11:38.27 | MacPac | silicon valley equivilant |
| 11:38.37 | XorA | I havent been there, only to the OM office |
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| 11:38.48 | MacPac | the OM office is in taipei? |
| 11:39.03 | XorA | yes |
| 11:39.11 | MacPac | do you have the address? |
| 11:39.19 | MacPac | my father is in taipei |
| 11:39.28 | MacPac | so maybe he could drop by :P |
| 11:39.31 | Kensan | MacPac, http://openmoko.com/contact.html |
| 11:39.34 | XorA | its in the Neihue (or however you spell it district) |
| 11:39.57 | MacPac | he sent me his free runner cus he gave up on trying to get it to work |
| 11:40.01 | MacPac | and thought maybe i could get it up :P |
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| 11:40.37 | MacPac | i do web-development and some java etc.. but having hard time with this thing |
| 11:41.03 | XorA | nice office though |
| 11:41.18 | MacPac | you go there often? |
| 11:41.38 | MacPac | your based in asia or? |
| 11:42.05 | Tig| | Dave: did I miss an announcement about Milestone 3? it is not on the downloads page :( |
| 11:42.15 | XorA | MacPac: Im in Scotland, but I went there for 2 weeks |
| 11:42.42 | MacPac | cool |
| 11:42.53 | MacPac | my fathers office is not too far away |
| 11:43.02 | MacPac | is it close to the miramar shopping complex? |
| 11:43.22 | |FiLiP| | I don't think MS3 will be here today, still 5 open tickets. http://trac.freesmartphone.org/roadmap |
| 11:43.27 | XorA | MacPac: couldnt tell you, there is a large Harley Davidson shop across the road |
| 11:43.55 | MacPac | hmm i think i kno where its at then |
| 11:43.57 | MacPac | used to live in taiwan |
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| 11:44.04 | MacPac | for about 6 yrs |
| 11:44.32 | MacPac | how did you find Taiwan? |
| 11:44.40 | MacPac | as in did you enjoy it? |
| 11:44.55 | Tig| | |FiLiP|: that is what I thought, but it was the way Dave said it was FSO day :) |
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| 11:46.19 | MacPac | you went to taiwan just for openMoko? |
| 11:46.20 | |FiLiP| | but i tried unstable a couple of days ago, ans pleasantly surprised |
| 11:47.42 | Tig| | I am on milestone 2 with updates from the bearstech repo and it is really coming along :) |
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| 11:52.33 | Tig| | erm where has the bearstech repo gone? |
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| 11:54.18 | CM_work | Tig|: Odd, it was there this morning |
| 11:54.44 | CM_work | I guess rwhitby is up to something |
| 11:54.49 | Tig| | yeah, but it isn't now, the whole tree has gone |
| 11:55.14 | rwhitby | bearstech had an inode problem on the new filesystem |
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| 11:56.04 | CM_work | Ouch |
| 11:56.09 | rwhitby | I have an fso-testing feed built and available on another site, but the packages have different md5sums from the bearstech ones and opkg doesn't seem to like that |
| 11:56.32 | rwhitby | http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/freesmartphone/fso-testing/ if you want to try it |
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| 11:59.10 | Tig| | ah is that going to choke if my fr has been done from the bearstech site? |
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| 12:07.23 | rwhitby | Tig|: dunno. it complained for mine and wouldn't let me update |
| 12:07.46 | Tig| | oh well :( |
| 12:08.02 | Tig| | I take it bearstech had a backup ;) |
| 12:08.17 | rwhitby | dunno |
| 12:08.28 | rwhitby | I have no visibility other than user access |
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| 12:09.05 | dns53 | anyone played duke 3d on thair neo? |
| 12:09.58 | MacPac | neo supports duke 3d ... holy crap |
| 12:10.09 | MacPac | i need this thing up and running fast! |
| 12:10.40 | dns53 | http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/duke-nukem-3d |
| 12:11.14 | MacPac | that is sweet |
| 12:11.48 | MacPac | i used to make maps when i was a really young for that game |
| 12:11.54 | MacPac | cant remember how anymore |
| 12:12.19 | MacPac | fun stuff |
| 12:12.27 | MacPac | will definitely install when i get it up and running |
| 12:13.04 | dns53 | i'm going to try it now |
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| 12:13.23 | MacPac | watching the youtube video atm myself |
| 12:14.03 | MacPac | how do you strife? |
| 12:14.14 | MacPac | :P |
| 12:14.14 | dns53 | no idea |
| 12:14.32 | Rakshasa | Quickly sidestep under a speeding bus. |
| 12:15.05 | Shlee | OM needs to support ScummVM |
| 12:15.22 | methril|gone | Shlee this is in my TODO list :) |
| 12:15.48 | mac2k | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Scummvm |
| 12:15.49 | MacPac | please some of you who are damn smart.. make the updating process easier.. liek a drag drop |
| 12:15.56 | MacPac | or a one click install app |
| 12:15.59 | MacPac | i beg you :) |
| 12:16.04 | MacPac | for idiots like myself |
| 12:16.06 | mac2k | only problem ist you can't open the menu ingame |
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| 12:16.32 | methril | well, by bye to my port |
| 12:16.34 | methril | hehehe |
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| 12:16.58 | MacPac | i need someone running mac os x to help me walk though entire installation process.. wiki just aint working for me.. think ive read 200 pages + and still dont know how to do the update process |
| 12:17.03 | mac2k | MacPac: the update process is pertty simple, where is the problem? |
| 12:17.25 | MacPac | i tried flasher but the UI doesnt work |
| 12:17.39 | MacPac | i dont get how to do the dfu-util |
| 12:17.46 | methril | i've a mac at home, but i boot with linux most of the time :) |
| 12:18.13 | MacPac | the UI of the flasher doesn't have the right urls that it pulls the data from |
| 12:18.22 | MacPac | only 2007.1 is inside of it |
| 12:18.38 | MacPac | i tried the dfu-util but it seems terminal wont accept the commands |
| 12:18.41 | mac2k | you have the tool dfu-util installed? |
| 12:18.44 | MacPac | im a complete utter newbie |
| 12:18.54 | mac2k | or somewhere so you can run it? |
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| 12:19.37 | MacPac | there is an ap? |
| 12:19.41 | MacPac | my god |
| 12:19.47 | mac2k | ? |
| 12:19.50 | MacPac | im about to shoot myself |
| 12:20.09 | MacPac | there is a tool i got to install? |
| 12:20.21 | mac2k | no |
| 12:21.22 | MacPac | can we speak in priv? |
| 12:21.37 | MacPac | if you got the time |
| 12:22.27 | sicu | just download a linux distro live cd if the osx documentation is poor, or do they not work on mac? |
| 12:23.09 | sicu | never touched a mac ... so kinda clueless there tbh |
| 12:23.45 | MacPac | i was wondering if i should just download linux |
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| 12:25.20 | edistar | any duke nukem 3d player here? |
| 12:25.37 | edistar | MacPac: what's the probleme? |
| 12:25.39 | edistar | *problem |
| 12:26.34 | MacPac | edistar: cant seem to update to OM 2008.8 just got my phone today |
| 12:26.37 | mac2k | i tested duke nukem 3d, but never liked the game and removed it while flashing qtopia |
| 12:27.04 | MacPac | been messing around with it for over 7 hrs |
| 12:27.11 | MacPac | all ive been able to do is the pinging |
| 12:27.31 | edistar | mac2k: is it playable? |
| 12:27.45 | edistar | MacPac: that's something |
| 12:27.51 | edistar | MacPac: but while pinging you can't flash |
| 12:28.00 | edistar | you have to reboot in uboot menu |
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| 12:28.36 | MacPac | deistar: yeah i reboot in uboot menu but flasher program that i installed hasnt updated the program so it points to the wrong URL for all the files.. last file updated was 2007.1 |
| 12:29.06 | MacPac | so tried using dfu-util in terminal |
| 12:29.16 | MacPac | but my terminal says commands unknown |
| 12:29.42 | fredrin | MacPac: try chmod +x dfu-util |
| 12:29.48 | fredrin | MacPac: ./dfu-util |
| 12:30.02 | MacPac | no such file or directory |
| 12:30.13 | MacPac | do i need to install? |
| 12:30.27 | fredrin | have you downloaded dfu-util? |
| 12:30.57 | fredrin | in the same dir, do the commands |
| 12:31.04 | MacPac | ok |
| 12:31.07 | MacPac | two secs |
| 12:32.54 | kwek | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#Graphical_Flashing_with_Openmoko_Flasher |
| 12:32.54 | kwek | thats telling you where to get dfu-util from for osx |
| 12:33.27 | kwek | you already got that url before here.. just read carefully |
| 12:33.38 | kwek | MacPac, ^ |
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| 12:34.22 | MacPac | ok |
| 12:34.25 | MacPac | will check |
| 12:35.13 | MacPac | trying to navigate to the app |
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| 12:35.29 | MacPac | i already read that but terminal wont permit me |
| 12:35.35 | MacPac | so trying to navigate the the app |
| 12:35.39 | MacPac | to run it there |
| 12:36.32 | Dave | So, what are we all flashing this morning? |
| 12:37.02 | sicu | covers his eyes just in case Dave is gonna flash us all yet again |
| 12:37.19 | Dave | :D |
| 12:37.50 | fredrin | i'm thinking about trying fso today ms2, was hoping to wait for ms3, but i guss an opkg upgrade from ms2 will do the same? |
| 12:38.34 | sicu | i'm on a new mission, gonna try to leave my FR without flashing it for at least an hour |
| 12:38.38 | edistar | not the same, but it will improve ms2 |
| 12:38.44 | edistar | sicu: good luck |
| 12:39.00 | sicu | edistar: thx, gonna need it |
| 12:39.14 | Dave | :D |
| 12:39.41 | sicu | who knows, i might even go through withdrawal... |
| 12:39.51 | dns53 | you don't need to flash it, i just keep swapping sd cards and booting off that |
| 12:40.04 | edistar | sicu: I managed to run qtopia for 48h, till the battery was empty.. |
| 12:40.21 | Shlee | Anyone running MS2 as a primary phone? |
| 12:40.36 | sicu | dns53: but then you miss out on all the fun that is flashing |
| 12:40.45 | Dave | withdrawal from using shittier distros? |
| 12:40.53 | Dave | or flashing withdrawal? |
| 12:41.01 | Dave | because you like flashing so much :P |
| 12:41.01 | sicu | edistar: nice |
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| 12:41.23 | sicu | Dave: oh yes ! =] |
| 12:41.55 | Dave | heh |
| 12:42.02 | Dave | sicu likes teh usb cable ;p |
| 12:42.17 | Dave | that'd be pretty kinky... |
| 12:42.21 | Dave | having a usb fetish |
| 12:42.26 | MacPac | aite i managed to run it |
| 12:42.28 | MacPac | i got this |
| 12:42.29 | MacPac | Cannot claim interface: usb_claim_interface: couldn't claim interface |
| 12:42.36 | sicu | the usb cable gives me goosebumps just thinking of it |
| 12:43.16 | Dave | :D |
| 12:43.29 | fredrin | poor usb cable |
| 12:43.33 | Dave | tosses sicu a ten foot usb cable |
| 12:43.46 | MacPac | am i doing something wrong? |
| 12:43.49 | sicu | will be busy for a while |
| 12:43.49 | edistar | Dave: watch out, poor sicu might get a heart attack |
| 12:43.52 | Dave | haha |
| 12:43.54 | Dave | :P |
| 12:43.57 | Dave | kinky :p |
| 12:46.14 | mac2k | MacPac: make sure you are superuser/sysadmin/root |
| 12:46.16 | sicu | lol, 10 foot usb cable, just what i need for the FR so i can sit far away from my hardware keyboard and just use the amazing FR keyb ^^ |
| 12:47.14 | Dave | rofl |
| 12:47.27 | Dave | gives sicu a ten foot extension cable |
| 12:47.41 | Dave | now what could you do with that! I'm almost scared to know ^^ |
| 12:49.40 | sicu | , may he r.i.p, cable o.d. |
| 12:49.54 | Dave | :o |
| 12:50.09 | Tig| | Shlee: nearly but not quite I did for a couple of days but the sms issues and the phonebook were the breaker for me |
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| 12:51.38 | sicu|bbl | heading out for a while, so my gps can play tricks on me, ciao |
| 12:51.59 | Dave | hooray! |
| 12:52.03 | Dave | tricks sicu |
| 12:52.06 | sicu|bbl | ;p |
| 12:52.13 | Dave | sicu, go on tangogps friends if you're not already! |
| 12:52.13 | Dave | :D |
| 12:52.44 | sicu|bbl | will do, if i can get a fix |
| 12:54.09 | Dave | ^_^ |
| 12:54.17 | zash | moo |
| 12:54.23 | Dave | zash |
| 12:54.31 | zash | Dave |
| 12:54.35 | Dave | moo |
| 12:54.39 | zash | indeed |
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| 12:54.48 | Dave | - End Commoonication - |
| 12:54.55 | Dave | or Cowmoonication |
| 12:54.56 | Dave | :D |
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| 12:56.30 | Tanuva | apt-get moo |
| 12:56.35 | Dave | huhu |
| 12:56.43 | Dave | apt-rebuke tanuva |
| 12:58.00 | Tanuva | slaps Dave around a bit with a huge trout |
| 12:58.02 | Tanuva | bad guy! |
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| 12:59.03 | MacPac | i've got 7 files.. not quite sure how to start and what to do.. |
| 13:00.29 | Tanuva | if i had seven files, i would open them all |
| 13:00.33 | Tanuva | simultaneously! |
| 13:03.14 | Tanuva | why is there a mysqld on my neodebian? Oo |
| 13:03.22 | Tanuva | damn.. |
| 13:03.55 | lindi- | Tanuva: cause you installed it? ;) |
| 13:04.03 | Tanuva | probably :D |
| 13:04.19 | Tanuva | (wasn't really serious, that question) |
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| 13:05.16 | Dave | It's actually part of the default install, or so I hear. |
| 13:05.40 | Dave | Someone was installing it a while back and was complaining and exclaiming how mysql-server was being installed. |
| 13:05.50 | Dave | Without question, I suppose :p |
| 13:06.04 | Dave | Whatever, suck it up, Tanuva. |
| 13:06.07 | Dave | Like I told them. |
| 13:06.23 | Tanuva | hmm. yep. something between mysql-common and fso-frameworkd has interdependencies |
| 13:06.33 | Dave | yay |
| 13:06.45 | Dave | make fso-fail |
| 13:07.11 | Dave | neo neo neo |
| 13:07.48 | Tanuva | nom nom nom |
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| 13:08.09 | Tanuva | wtf... there's some wrong track being played for tarja - I walk alone on last.fm.. |
| 13:11.29 | fredrin | Mr. Anderson |
| 13:11.57 | CVirus | welcome back |
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| 13:12.00 | CVirus | we've missed you |
| 13:12.05 | CVirus | you like what I've done with the place ? |
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| 13:16.38 | Dave | Man, I really wish we had a countdown timer for Qt4.4 and Ms3 |
| 13:16.43 | Dave | that would be sweet |
| 13:17.59 | |FiLiP| | there is a countdown timer for MS3, alltough it is not in days but in tickets |
| 13:18.07 | Tanuva | *g* |
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| 13:21.15 | MacPac | dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. |
| 13:21.15 | MacPac | This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY |
| 13:21.15 | MacPac | Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000... |
| 13:21.15 | MacPac | Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=3, name="kernel" |
| 13:21.16 | MacPac | Claiming USB DFU Interface... |
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| 13:23.54 | Dave | heh |
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| 13:28.30 | fredrin | MacPac: looks good |
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| 13:30.46 | hama | hi! i have a question about 2008.8-update: is there no way to get a console? |
| 13:31.18 | fredrin | hama: ssh? |
| 13:31.33 | hama | yes, ssh works... |
| 13:31.52 | hama | i mean on the freerunner... |
| 13:31.54 | gromez | hama: opkg list | grep terminal |
| 13:33.11 | hama | ok, before that i must get my wifi running |
| 13:34.15 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1972: Wifi interferes with Bluetooth ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1972 ) |
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| 13:35.15 | MacPac | fredrin: Cannot claim interface: usb_claim_interface: couldn't claim interface |
| 13:35.44 | MacPac | i keep getting the cannot claim interface.. even with sudo |
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| 13:36.23 | Dave | sudo make openmoko work; it's like asking it pretty please. :P |
| 13:36.41 | hama | lol |
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| 13:37.26 | methril | MacPac try ./dfu-util -b 0x1d50:0x5119 |
| 13:37.53 | MacPac | i hate sudo :P |
| 13:38.07 | MacPac | aite ill try |
| 13:38.11 | MacPac | with or without sudo? |
| 13:39.02 | hama | me have to be root (under suse) to work with dfu-util and usb... |
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| 13:39.10 | methril | with |
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| 13:39.33 | MacPac | methril: invalid option |
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| 13:39.47 | methril | sorry -d |
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| 13:41.30 | fredrin | MacPac: sudo -i and you're root |
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| 13:42.24 | MacPac | methrill: You need to specify one of -D or -U |
| 13:42.41 | MacPac | methrill: You need to specify one of -D or -U |
| 13:42.52 | MacPac | thats what it returned |
| 13:43.29 | MacPac | -t -- transfer file, -U --upload file, -D --download file, -R reset |
| 13:43.44 | MacPac | should i -D it? |
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| 13:47.39 | fredrin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util |
| 13:47.47 | fredrin | MacPac: ^ |
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| 13:49.58 | MacPac | fredrin: been there but i keep getting the same problem over and over.. it says that it cannot claim interface |
| 13:50.24 | fredrin | are you in os x or some linux? |
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| 13:52.20 | MacPac | im on os x (Cannot claim interface: usb_claim_interface: couldn't claim interface) |
| 13:54.41 | fredrin | you've connected the usb directely and not through some usbhub? |
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| 13:55.46 | MacPac | yeah directly |
| 13:55.46 | m2 | hi all |
| 13:55.55 | m2 | I need help, somebody could help me please? |
| 13:55.56 | MacPac | ive managed to ping back and fourth earlier.. |
| 13:56.02 | MacPac | booted from the uboot |
| 13:56.15 | MacPac | now trying to do the flashing |
| 13:56.26 | MacPac | but just get the same problem that it wount claim interface |
| 13:56.34 | fredrin | MacPac: i'm not sure then |
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| 13:56.42 | MacPac | wont* |
| 13:56.44 | fredrin | i never touched a mac in my life |
| 13:57.02 | fredrin | could try other usb ports, that's my last guess... |
| 13:57.36 | nomeata | Hi. I bought an 8GB SanDisk MicroSD card, and I want to find out if I’ll have problems with it and my FreeRunner. What is a good test? |
| 13:57.41 | sicu|bbl | MacPac: did you: ./dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 (as methril posted earlier)? |
| 13:58.02 | fredrin | nomeata: just plug it in |
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| 13:58.20 | nomeata | fredrin: are all problems immediatelly visible? |
| 13:58.32 | MacPac | yeah i tried that sicu |
| 13:58.47 | fredrin | nomeata: what problems are you expecting? |
| 13:58.48 | MacPac | i tried to restart it into the mode |
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| 13:59.07 | MacPac | error resetting after detach: usb_reset(ResetDevice): device not opened for exclusive access |
| 13:59.11 | fredrin | nomeata: what kind of file system do you got on the SD? |
| 13:59.28 | nomeata | fredrin: not sure, but the lists were full of them, weren’t they? Or was it all the same problem (curruption on suspend)? |
| 13:59.38 | nomeata | I’ll use it for running Debian, so ext2 |
| 13:59.55 | MacPac | then after that it says opening USB Device.. and i get Cannot claim interface: usb_claim_interface: couldn't claim interface |
| 14:00.21 | fredrin | nomeata: hum that could be, not read the list so carefully lately |
| 14:00.24 | nomeata | hmm, seems I’m actually hit by http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 |
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| 14:03.01 | dbmoodb | hi anyone using 2008.8 as their distro ... how long doe sthe battery last for ? |
| 14:03.31 | dbmoodb | (with suspend) |
| 14:03.55 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rbb98fa38dcf3 10/packages/clutter/moblin-proto_git.bb: moblin-proto: Fix PV line |
| 14:03.56 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r43d9b81a5978 10/packages/linux/linux-omap_git.bb: linux-omap: Fix PV... do not do these hacks |
| 14:03.56 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r1d7283c73f0d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Add one for ohm |
| 14:03.57 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r5e802d08b157 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Add a SRCREV for moblin-proto |
| 14:04.13 | sicu | MacPac: linux ^^ ... mac is a blank for me, sry |
| 14:04.30 | MacPac | lol k |
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| 14:04.54 | MacPac | i give up on mac for today |
| 14:05.03 | MacPac | guess i have to install linux |
| 14:05.14 | MacPac | which u recommend? kubuntu? |
| 14:05.23 | beni_ | dbmoodb: i got about 8hrs recently on FSO |
| 14:06.13 | beni_ | dbmoodb: but im not ultimatively sure, i measured about 6,8hrs but as i started, the battery was already about a fifth emtpy |
| 14:06.14 | dbmoodb | beni_: nar dude i was playing with 2008.8 and it wakes up if you call it / sms it (not sure about the smsin) |
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| 14:06.37 | beni_ | dbmoodb: i changed from 2008 to FSO recently, to test some things |
| 14:06.47 | beni_ | maybe i switch back in a few days |
| 14:07.13 | dbmoodb | pft my fso is debian .. not real fso |
| 14:07.29 | sicu | MacPac: kinda depends if you're used to linux or not ... running gentoo myself |
| 14:07.42 | MacPac | nah never tried it before |
| 14:07.53 | dbmoodb | MacPac: if you are a mac user .... try ubuntu and not kubuntu first |
| 14:08.00 | Dave | SICU |
| 14:08.01 | dbmoodb | kubuntu is ubuntu just with kde instead of gnome |
| 14:08.06 | dbmoodb | ~ubuntu |
| 14:08.12 | dbmoodb | ~debian |
| 14:08.13 | apt | http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 14:08.15 | Dave | Did you get fixed? ;p |
| 14:08.20 | dbmoodb | ah the bot... oh there the bot is alive |
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| 14:08.57 | MacPac | aite ill go for ubuntu |
| 14:08.58 | MacPac | cheers |
| 14:09.14 | sicu | Dave: meh, ran our of juice before i got a fix |
| 14:09.26 | beni_ | someone played with edje_cc=? |
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| 14:09.42 | beni_ | i tried to get it running under debian lenny but wasnt successfull |
| 14:09.43 | MacPac | time to go to bed :p |
| 14:09.53 | MacPac | ciao and thanks to everyone who tried to help me out |
| 14:09.54 | beni_ | it complained about tag errors inside the file |
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| 14:10.14 | Dave | sicu, wtf? |
| 14:10.33 | Dave | bed? |
| 14:10.36 | Dave | what are you, a sif? |
| 14:10.38 | beni_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Edje |
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| 14:11.16 | sicu | Dave: hehe ... forgot to charge the battery :p ie ran out of juice |
| 14:11.40 | Dave | bah |
| 14:11.51 | Dave | sicu sicu sicu |
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| 14:12.50 | sicu | it was all the talk of cables that threw me off |
| 14:12.57 | Dave | rofl |
| 14:13.13 | Dave | sicu likes 'em black and skinny ;p |
| 14:13.26 | sicu | haha |
| 14:13.57 | sicu | they're very flexible ... i like |
| 14:14.02 | Dave | ;D |
| 14:14.21 | sicu | apt: slap sicu |
| 14:14.21 | apt | ACTION slaps sicu, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 14:14.28 | Shlee | Any idea what version the recent FRs are? GTA02v6? |
| 14:14.30 | Dave | and sometimes they even give you that hot five volts? ;p |
| 14:15.25 | dbmoodb | ~efi |
| 14:15.26 | apt | somebody said efi was electronic fuel injection. For cars. You know, it replaced Carburettors about 20 years go. Get with the times. |
| 14:15.34 | Dave | fittegrubbe! |
| 14:15.58 | sicu | ;] |
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| 14:17.37 | Dave | :P |
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| 14:25.17 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r74df5cb939ee 10/data/themes/zhone.edc: reposition main screen icons |
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| 14:34.41 | Dave | Torikun! |
| 14:34.51 | Torikun | Dave! |
| 14:36.00 | Dave | :D |
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| 14:40.23 | me | hi, is it possible to install asu to the sd from the pc? |
| 14:41.13 | timo2k | somebody knows other (than on the wiki page) compatible battery types for the freerunner with higher capacities? |
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| 14:43.12 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r992818f5349c 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): add date button (disabled for now) |
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| 14:46.00 | timo2k | Ive found a nokia bl-5b with 2300mAh, normal freerunner battery has 1200mAh |
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| 14:52.13 | Sargun_Screen | I love my N810 and its batteres |
| 14:52.21 | Dave | :) |
| 14:52.25 | Sargun_Screen | I'd never let them touch an fr |
| 14:52.32 | Dave | heh |
| 14:54.33 | Mononoke | hmm 2300mAh |
| 14:54.36 | Mononoke | i want that |
| 14:55.14 | Dave | but 5000 is better! |
| 14:55.22 | Dave | and 7200 is even better! |
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| 14:55.41 | Bill_ | 2300mAh in that small package? |
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| 14:55.53 | nomeata | There are plenty of elements of ℕ that compare as larger as 2300 :-) |
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| 14:56.23 | Bill_ | possibly.. but not in consumer market |
| 14:56.52 | timo2k | oh, Im sorry, it says max2300 mAh.. so it is less |
| 14:57.03 | Sargun_Screen | Bill_: are you sure? |
| 14:57.31 | Bill_ | Sargun_Screen: can you point out an example? |
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| 14:58.08 | Dave | haha nometa :) |
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| 15:00.24 | Dave | :o |
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| 15:03.05 | timo2k | Oh I'm sorry! I don't trust this fake battery! forget original nokia ones are in the range from 800-1000mAh, maybe those stange highpower batteries could explode like the dell and sony notebook ones ;) |
| 15:03.12 | Dave | heheh |
| 15:04.25 | Sargun_Screen | haha |
| 15:04.42 | Bill_ | i can see it now! |
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| 15:11.28 | *** topic/#openmoko is Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | DO NOT USE buildhost.openmoko.org TO UPGRADE 2008.8 IT WILL NEVER EVER WORK | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
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| 15:17.06 | sap2 | hi, got my freerunner this morning. updated and rebooted fine. just rebooted again and now it's hung on the openmoko logo screen. is there a way to reboot it (perhaps holding down combination of buttons) or do I have to pull the battery? |
| 15:17.38 | Bill_ | remove the battery |
| 15:18.08 | sap2 | Bill_: ok thanks |
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| 15:23.59 | Weiss | sap2: failing that, can you boot to either the NAND or NOR boot menus? |
| 15:24.50 | sap2 | Weiss: thanks - removing the battery has worked. |
| 15:25.24 | sap2 | it's a cool little device |
| 15:27.38 | sap2 | i haven't really played with it that much. i took it off the first charge about 2 to 2.5 hrs ago and according to the battery indicator looks like i have just over half left. |
| 15:28.12 | sap2 | gps wifi and bluetooth all turned off |
| 15:28.30 | sap2 | does that seem right? |
| 15:29.01 | TAsnn | sap2, from what i hear |
| 15:29.09 | TAsnn | it has +- 12 hrs of battery... |
| 15:29.15 | TAsnn | running qtopia |
| 15:29.24 | TAsnn | i just held one today |
| 15:29.31 | TAsnn | so amazingly cool. |
| 15:29.48 | transylvania | with qtopia I am on my third day on the battery |
| 15:30.10 | transylvania | just using suspend |
| 15:30.14 | sap2 | can you mistreat the battery? |
| 15:30.26 | transylvania | and powersaving settings |
| 15:30.33 | TAsnn | transylvania, really? it has suspend? |
| 15:30.43 | TAsnn | well, my friend didn't know that. :) |
| 15:31.16 | transylvania | TAsnn: my neo is actually suspended and wake up for incomming calls |
| 15:31.17 | sap2 | is it best to completely charge and then drain it? |
| 15:31.18 | Bill_ | with qtopia i also get 2-3 days out of it with reasonable amount of talking |
| 15:31.20 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r68780a48f6d3 10/odeviced/src/plugins/idlenotifier/ (4 files): Fix state machine transitions in the idlenotifier plugin |
| 15:31.20 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra0091e987cb1 10/odeviced/src/plugins/idlenotifier/idlenotifier.vala: Remove redundant method |
| 15:31.21 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rab9996b7cbdc 10/odeviced/src/plugins/powercontrol/powercontrol.vala: Fix correct DBus object path for UsbHost |
| 15:31.38 | TAsnn | Bill_, SO COOL! :) |
| 15:31.44 | TAsnn | i'll get mine at the 24th. |
| 15:31.50 | TAsnn | damn that seems to far now. |
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| 15:31.59 | TAsnn | too* |
| 15:32.06 | me | Hi, I couldn't boot om from the sd |
| 15:32.25 | me | anybody could help me please |
| 15:32.26 | me | ? |
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| 15:32.47 | transylvania | me: what's the problem ? |
| 15:32.47 | Bill_ | "couldn't boot" isn't exactly a fault description |
| 15:33.08 | me | uboot says "can't found uboot.bin in the mmc1:1" |
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| 15:33.42 | transylvania | what type of partition is it ? |
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| 15:33.48 | transylvania | ext2/3 ? |
| 15:33.51 | SachaS | reminder: we are still looking for openmoko presenters at the austrian linuxday in dornbirn |
| 15:33.53 | transylvania | or vfat ? |
| 15:33.54 | me | etx2 |
| 15:34.04 | me | *ext |
| 15:34.04 | transylvania | do you have the new uboot ? |
| 15:34.10 | SachaS | i sent an email to the openmoko mailinglist |
| 15:34.14 | me | no |
| 15:34.33 | sap2 | transylvania: is suspend available in qtopia only? |
| 15:34.35 | me | uboot 1.3.2-moko12 (may 9 2009) |
| 15:34.36 | Bill_ | me: use vfat for boot part on sd |
| 15:34.38 | me | *2008 |
| 15:34.42 | transylvania | me: you need it, the old one can only boot on jffs/vfat |
| 15:34.48 | transylvania | sap2: I don't know |
| 15:34.55 | me | where can I get the new uboot? |
| 15:35.00 | SachaS | austrian openmoko developers wanted: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-community/2008/8/20/3004364 |
| 15:35.12 | Bill_ | me: download.openmoko.org |
| 15:35.23 | me | ank how can I install it? oo |
| 15:35.40 | Zilla | dfu-util? |
| 15:35.43 | transylvania | sap2: I don't have enough time to test all, juste received my new home server an switch, and more time-eater, I have girlfriend ... :) |
| 15:35.51 | Dave | rawr zilla |
| 15:36.17 | Zilla | whats the point dave? |
| 15:37.26 | Bill_ | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ and you should read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot too |
| 15:37.33 | Dave | niets |
| 15:38.01 | sap2 | transylvania: did you replace openmoko with qtopia straight away? |
| 15:39.24 | transylvania | sap2: yes |
| 15:39.33 | transylvania | for the moment I need a working phone |
| 15:39.42 | transylvania | I plan to install debian on the sd |
| 15:39.49 | sap2 | transylvania: :) i see |
| 15:39.55 | transylvania | and test devel version of openmoko |
| 15:40.14 | transylvania | I can manage to boot on 2 systems on the sd card |
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| 15:40.50 | sap2 | transylvania: ah, that sounds like a good idea |
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| 15:42.09 | me | sorry I can't find uboot.bin in download.openmoko.org |
| 15:42.31 | sap2 | i'm using http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/ for my updates, is that right? |
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| 15:44.04 | Guilt | hi. is http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ (20080903) a good place to start? |
| 15:44.08 | Guilt | stability wise? |
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| 15:45.44 | Dave | The Guilts |
| 15:46.21 | Guilt | Dave: hey. |
| 15:46.25 | Dave | :) |
| 15:46.30 | Guilt | it's been a while so I thought i should check now. |
| 15:47.49 | Dave | good idea |
| 15:48.36 | Guilt | well. so it's a good idea to upgrade? |
| 15:49.36 | Dave | No idea :D |
| 15:49.42 | Dave | I'm debating the same thing, since 2007.2 got abandoned :( |
| 15:50.00 | Guilt | yeah :( i liked the 2007.2 with mwester's kernels |
| 15:50.25 | me | I installed the new uboot but I'm getting the same error: uboot not found in mmc1:1, what I have to do |
| 15:50.27 | me | ? |
| 15:50.50 | Dave | Guilt, we are all disappointed - but what to do now |
| 15:51.26 | me | Dave: could you help me please? |
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| 15:51.40 | Guilt | 2008.9? |
| 15:51.54 | Guilt | idk. i thought the gtk interface looked cool |
| 15:51.58 | Dave | yeah |
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| 15:52.08 | Dave | and I don't want that shitty qtopia-like interface ASU had |
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| 15:53.55 | torpor | anyone know how to fix the call volume in qtopia on freerunner? |
| 15:54.15 | torpor | failing that, what is *THE* best thing to run on my freerunner today to turn it into a working phone? |
| 15:54.30 | Tm_T | what's wrong with the volume then? |
| 15:54.33 | torpor | <-- been a while since i fussed with the freerunner, coz i got an iphone |
| 15:54.38 | torpor | Tm_T: its very, very low |
| 15:54.45 | torpor | call volume i mean. can hardly hear the other person. |
| 15:56.31 | bumbl | torpor: traitor |
| 15:57.51 | Dave | :D |
| 15:58.09 | bumbl | we need an inquisiton squad |
| 15:58.45 | torpor | damnit i just wanna work on apps, not on fighting the rest of the system |
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| 15:58.52 | bumbl | catching all those traitors who don't believe the right open faith |
| 15:59.00 | kwek | burn |
| 15:59.03 | torpor | and frankly the freerunner is too much hassle right now. i still have both my neo and fr, don't worry, i just wanna wait until the dust settles. |
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| 15:59.24 | Tm_T | bumbl: we have Richard M Stallman already ? |
| 15:59.34 | bumbl | Tm_T: :D |
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| 16:05.59 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Remove unnecessary *_threads_init() calls |
| 16:05.59 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Do not remove '+' characters from phone numbers |
| 16:05.59 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Fix comments on same lines as code |
| 16:06.02 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Make GObject callbacks return proper values |
| 16:06.04 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Change signature for GetMultipleResults() from a{ia{sv}} to (a{sv}) |
| 16:06.06 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Fix wrong indentation for SingleQueryHandler.check_new_message() |
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| 16:14.54 | transylvania | torpor: I use the actual dev version of qtopia, problem fixed |
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| 16:19.40 | Dave | There's a fix for qtopia? |
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| 16:21.04 | johnsu01 | I'm using daily snapshots and the call volume problem is not fixed for me |
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| 16:34.20 | lindi- | johnsu01: set mic2 to 3? |
| 16:34.28 | johnsu01 | lindi-: tried it |
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| 16:36.27 | white_gecko | hello |
| 16:36.36 | white_gecko | how can i read the actual hardware clocktime? |
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| 16:39.21 | zash | hwclock? |
| 16:40.42 | Dave | hwhax? |
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| 16:43.16 | white_gecko | # hwclock |
| 16:43.17 | white_gecko | hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc': No such file or directory |
| 16:43.28 | white_gecko | hwhax doesn't exist |
| 16:43.32 | white_gecko | i have 2008.8 |
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| 16:46.36 | Dave | :D |
| 16:47.44 | Sup3rkiddo | white_gecko, its in /dev/rtc0 |
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| 16:50.06 | white_gecko | Sup3rkiddo: how do i tell this hwclock? |
| 16:50.20 | Dave | hwclock sync? |
| 16:50.37 | white_gecko | ne |
| 16:50.43 | white_gecko | # hwclock sync |
| 16:50.45 | white_gecko | hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc': No such file or directory |
| 16:50.51 | Dave | hwclock --systohc |
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| 16:51.58 | white_gecko | no |
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| 16:58.16 | white_gecko | hm |
| 16:58.29 | white_gecko | ok i have to leave, cu |
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| 17:02.17 | snp | someone here tried OpenMoko Flasher for Mac OS X? |
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| 17:03.18 | snp | Someone using OpenMoko Flasher for Mac OS X? |
| 17:03.41 | snp | trying to do a backup here with the dfu-util |
| 17:04.00 | snp | Getting this error: Cannot set alternate interface: usb_set_altinterface: could not set alternate interface |
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| 17:08.32 | Zilla | btw is there a nice windows gui for dfu-util? or linux gui? |
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| 17:08.45 | Mononoke | why? |
| 17:09.04 | Zilla | dno |
| 17:09.14 | Zilla | i like guis |
| 17:09.15 | Zilla | :) |
| 17:09.18 | Mononoke | heh |
| 17:09.42 | Mononoke | sonmehow I don't see reason for that |
| 17:09.42 | Mononoke | *some |
| 17:09.58 | ShellEvil | I see a reason for it - once it's consumer ready. |
| 17:10.02 | ShellEvil | But it's not very urgent. |
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| 17:10.18 | Zilla | will gta03 be consumer ready? |
| 17:10.22 | ShellEvil | Yes. |
| 17:10.25 | ShellEvil | So will GTA01 |
| 17:10.28 | ShellEvil | but... |
| 17:10.33 | Mononoke | meh consumer, I still belive it will stay as nerdy phone and nerdy phones don't need gui |
| 17:10.40 | snp | anyone had my problem with the dfu-util? |
| 17:10.45 | ShellEvil | There is nothing wrong with GTA01,2 or (probably) 3 hardwarewise |
| 17:10.48 | Zilla | is gta03 better in performance than gta02? |
| 17:10.51 | snp | Want to do a backup of my "default" system before flashing 2008.08 on it |
| 17:10.52 | quickdev | Does anyone know what kind of dialer is used in ASU? Qtopia? Gtk? Efl? |
| 17:10.57 | ShellEvil | they can all do absolutely fine as a consumer phone. |
| 17:10.58 | Zilla | as in performance |
| 17:10.59 | ShellEvil | Zilla: maybe |
| 17:11.11 | Zilla | so when will gta03 be available?:S |
| 17:11.18 | ShellEvil | Zilla: it's got a faster processor, but no graphics accellerator chip - which makes it faster in some ways. |
| 17:11.24 | ShellEvil | Zilla: months at teh very least. |
| 17:11.31 | Zilla | and slower in some other |
| 17:11.31 | ShellEvil | I'd be somewhat surprised at xmas. |
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| 17:11.56 | Zilla | is looking for a new phone.... |
| 17:12.15 | ShellEvil | Zilla: OM is _NOT_ going to be usable as a consumer phone for maybe a year. |
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| 17:12.28 | Zilla | well if it can call and send text |
| 17:12.29 | Mononoke | \o/ loads of fun |
| 17:12.31 | Zilla | it be fine |
| 17:12.34 | ShellEvil | Zilla: for uncritical users with picked images, it can work. |
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| 17:12.44 | Zilla | ;) |
| 17:12.55 | Zilla | ShellEvil, do you have an FR gta02? |
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| 17:13.02 | ShellEvil | Expecting every daily to work for any image is probably a bad plan. |
| 17:13.14 | ShellEvil | No - i paid for a GTA01 - and absolutely can't do the same for GTA02 a tthe moment. |
| 17:13.17 | gargoyle_grin | Yeah... I was really happy with the lastest update to OM2008.08 until I realized I couldn't connect to my GSM network with it. >.< |
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| 17:13.22 | Dave | Speedevil, but it makes for a good time! ;D |
| 17:13.51 | gargoyle_grin | Even though the previous version of 2008.08 would connect just fine. |
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| 17:15.19 | Mononoke | gargoyle_grin: latest works fine for me.. |
| 17:15.28 | Mononoke | rmoravcik: dobry vecer |
| 17:15.48 | Zilla | ShellEvil, what mobile operator do you use? |
| 17:16.30 | gargoyle_grin | Hmm... Odd. I've restarted gsmd and reseated my SIM card (after shutting it down, of course). That's about all I can think to do. |
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| 17:22.27 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rc36ffb170474 10/tools/makedoc.py: relicense makedoc.py and add notice |
| 17:22.28 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r5d6783c7a612 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:22.28 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call: fix parameter direction in Emergency() call and add some docs |
| 17:22.28 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM: correct description of mandatory element in GetSimInfo (s/imei/imsi) |
| 17:22.31 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Thanks Thomas Seiler for spotting. |
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| 17:45.12 | Dave | man, I totally need to retrofit these old lcd displays |
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| 18:04.16 | admiral0 | hi... does anyone of you know how to switch off automatic pop-up of the keyboard in 2008.08? |
| 18:04.26 | admiral0 | i just want it when i call it |
| 18:04.43 | admiral0 | (when i push the "qwerty" button |
| 18:04.46 | admiral0 | ) |
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| 18:07.27 | admiral0 | daes anyone know how to do it? |
| 18:07.42 | gargoyle_grin | Apparently not. |
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| 18:09.52 | admiral0 | doh |
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| 18:12.30 | feitingen | i have downloaded raster's image and it seems like bluetooth support broke when i attempted to use it (after opkg update/upgrade) |
| 18:13.45 | feitingen | bluetooth have worked before the flashing/upgrading, i powered it in with echo 1 > .../power_on and 0 > .../reset |
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| 18:14.29 | admiral0 | why do you say it's broken? |
| 18:14.50 | feitingen | because when i run hcitool scanning it says No such device |
| 18:15.12 | feitingen | and it no longer shows up in lsusb.. |
| 18:15.44 | Tig| | feitingen: there have been some recent changes to bluez that have come down from upstream :( |
| 18:16.01 | Tig| | double check has the hidd command gone too? |
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| 18:16.32 | feitingen | jsut a second, just let me give it something to find |
| 18:17.12 | feitingen | it finishes it search in milliseconds.. |
| 18:17.19 | feitingen | probably dead |
| 18:18.14 | Tig| | I think you now have to use dbus to turn on bluetooth |
| 18:18.58 | feitingen | aw |
| 18:19.25 | Tig| | see if you still have a : hidd |
| 18:19.26 | Tig| | command |
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| 18:19.30 | feitingen | i still have it |
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| 18:19.55 | Tig| | lucky you then, perhaps you don't have to do the dbus stuff |
| 18:20.25 | Tig| | on the FSO updates it went awol, apparently hidd etc are now depricated :) |
| 18:22.05 | feitingen | is hcitool and sdptool also deprecated then? |
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| 18:22.18 | Sargun_Screen | are |
| 18:22.27 | feitingen | thanks |
| 18:22.32 | Tig| | hcitool is still there but hidd has gone :( |
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| 18:23.02 | feitingen | :( |
| 18:23.21 | Tig| | there is not a simple replacement for it either |
| 18:23.28 | feitingen | i wanted to try out bluez-alsa.. |
| 18:23.59 | Tig| | the bluez people seem to want everyone to use the gui tools to config and manage bluetooth |
| 18:24.30 | feitingen | but someone will probably write python dbus cli stuff anyways... |
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| 18:26.27 | Tig| | feitingen: hopefully :) the problem at the moment is that most people still have the old packages with hidd in them |
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| 18:32.25 | timo2k | somebody know how much FR's are sold till now ? |
| 18:32.51 | SpeedEvil | 3 |
| 18:32.56 | timo2k | hehe |
| 18:32.58 | admiral0 | lol |
| 18:33.06 | SpeedEvil | several thousand. |
| 18:33.08 | SpeedEvil | probably. |
| 18:33.21 | SpeedEvil | I have the feeling it's probably 1-2K |
| 18:33.29 | SpeedEvil | but nothing to really base that on. |
| 18:33.33 | timo2k | just found it interesting :) |
| 18:33.43 | Tig| | and they have all been on here asking how to use the pin dialog :) |
| 18:34.29 | timo2k | Tig|: have u managed to boot ubuntu to flash ur FR? |
| 18:34.48 | nyu | SpeedEvil: that'd mean 20% of FR owners are in this channel |
| 18:35.21 | Tig| | eh? I have about 5 ubuntu boxes here :) last night I was trying to help a mac owner boot ubuntu so they could flash their device :) |
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| 18:35.39 | timo2k | oh.. okay that was it :) |
| 18:35.39 | CM | nyu: They sold about 2000 GTA01 too |
| 18:36.05 | mwester | 20% here -- that implies that 80% of them either A) haven't attempted to us the device at all, or B) haven't had any problems with the device at all. Which do you suspect it is? |
| 18:36.19 | CM | Hehe |
| 18:37.21 | timo2k | so there are no "openstatistics" on it |
| 18:37.41 | CM | I know, I've asked before |
| 18:38.19 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r5d40d20e1866 10/packages/mozilla/firefox_3.0.1.bb: [firefox] disable PARALLEL_MAKE as it breaks build |
| 18:38.19 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r2883807e5057 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko-feed] remove emacs as it doesnt build. |
| 18:38.19 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r93a2a8deac6b 10/packages/python/ (python-pygame-1.8.1/Setup python-pygame_1.8.1.bb): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of /home/dp/openmoko/openmoko/ into org.openmoko.dev |
| 18:38.20 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * re48650ad54ca 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev |
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| 18:47.44 | Dave | How's your moko today? |
| 18:48.01 | cjb | it crashed overnight |
| 18:48.05 | cjb | even though I have suspend turned off |
| 18:48.31 | johnsu01 | mine keeps dying overnight if I leave the wall charger connected |
| 18:48.36 | cjb | right |
| 18:48.38 | cjb | that's what happened |
| 18:48.44 | johnsu01 | wall charger bad |
| 18:48.45 | cjb | it didn't before |
| 18:48.47 | johnsu01 | is my conclusion |
| 18:48.48 | cjb | oh |
| 18:48.54 | Dave | Yep! |
| 18:48.56 | admiral0 | no crashes for me :D can i be considered lucky? |
| 18:48.56 | Dave | It does that |
| 18:48.57 | johnsu01 | doesn't do that on usb |
| 18:49.00 | cjb | huh |
| 18:49.08 | cjb | but using usb means having my laptop on all night |
| 18:49.09 | Dave | I believe I reported that behavior over a month ago |
| 18:49.12 | torindel | johnsu01: or bug |
| 18:49.23 | Dave | cjb, would you like some cheese to go with your whine? :) |
| 18:49.27 | cjb | :) |
| 18:49.31 | torindel | johnsu01: i seen moko stoping charging for no reason |
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| 18:50.41 | Dave | It stops liking you. |
| 18:50.53 | admiral0 | Dave:lol |
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| 18:51.46 | torindel | sends evil ninja cats after Dave moko |
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| 18:54.58 | Dave | :o |
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| 18:55.02 | zash | MUTANT NINJA PIRATE CATS |
| 18:55.04 | Dave | Noooooooooo, not my moko! |
| 18:55.07 | Dave | hides |
| 18:57.47 | Dave | SUPER MUTANT NINJA NORWEGIANS!? |
| 18:59.08 | kirun | I think they prefer the name "Trolltech" |
| 18:59.31 | Dave | :DDD |
| 18:59.32 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.39 | Dave | Big Trollin' Baby? |
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| 19:03.40 | hama | hi! i installed xterm and terminal but have no keyboard-emu there. what must i install to have the keyboard? |
| 19:04.03 | hama | 2008.8-update |
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| 19:11.11 | hama | any1 knows what package me have to install to get the virtual-keyboard with xterm and/or konsole? 2008.2-update |
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| 19:18.04 | me | Hi, I have a problem with openmoko, anybody could help me please? |
| 19:18.17 | LionKMP | me too, I have never seen a Linux crashing so often :( |
| 19:18.29 | lindi- | me: you better not part after asking question :) |
| 19:18.40 | lindi- | LionKMP: segfault? |
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| 19:18.59 | wurp2|working | LionKMP: which distro? |
| 19:19.00 | me | I installed it on a sd, but a kernel panic occurres on the second boot |
| 19:19.01 | LionKMP | lindi-: no, just back screen and no way to come back (taking out battery is the only way) |
| 19:19.10 | Yasumoto | me: so it boots fine the first time? |
| 19:19.12 | LionKMP | wurp2|working: 2008.8 update 1 + all updates from yesterday. |
| 19:19.18 | lindi- | LionKMP: are you sure it is linux issue? |
| 19:19.18 | wurp2|working | LionKMP: Is it just suspending? |
| 19:19.23 | me | Yasumoto: yes |
| 19:19.54 | lindi- | me: installed what? |
| 19:19.58 | LionKMP | wurp2|working: Yes, I think. And sometimes pressing power starts the shutdown process. |
| 19:20.18 | wurp2|working | LionKMP: I don't use 2008.8, but I would think there's a way to configure it not to suspend... |
| 19:21.15 | LionKMP | wurp2|working: well, there was a way. but I think this update made it worse. Before this, it crashed just sometimes (e.g. GPS & Maps app running and stops responding) |
| 19:21.25 | LionKMP | it stopped responding in settings app too sometimes. |
| 19:21.36 | LionKMP | but now, this is worse, can't even use it :-p |
| 19:21.44 | wurp2|working | :-( |
| 19:21.57 | wurp2|working | That's why I'm on a 3 month old ScaredyCat release |
| 19:22.34 | LionKMP | I understand that. I think there should be a large effort to make a minimum stability. |
| 19:22.59 | LionKMP | This whole distro runs on one single hardware, so Openmoko can't even say there are issues with many hardware, like normal Linux distros have the problem. |
| 19:23.19 | wurp2|working | yep |
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| 19:23.31 | LionKMP | I'll try to uninstall illume-config, maybe that made some problems. |
| 19:24.52 | ab0oo | has anyone ever kept a list of all the things mickey does? |
| 19:25.06 | kirun | * Is fine |
| 19:25.12 | kirun | * Blows my mind |
| 19:25.12 | ab0oo | I've seen dinner, lunch, couch, work, and now mickey|sports |
| 19:25.17 | kirun | ducks |
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| 19:27.15 | lindi- | me: ? |
| 19:27.45 | wurp2|working | ab0oo: You missed tv |
| 19:27.52 | me | lindi-: what? |
| 19:28.07 | ab0oo | that too. |
| 19:28.15 | Kensan | ab0oo: "zZzz" |
| 19:28.22 | me | lindi-: I have an error with qtopia and openmoko on sd, I get kernel panic error |
| 19:28.30 | ab0oo | and my favorite: mickey:answeringdumbdbusquestions |
| 19:29.22 | LionKMP | ok, I installed some unstable things probably. |
| 19:29.28 | transylvania | me: do you have a correct root parameter ? |
| 19:29.28 | LionKMP | what is GPE? (taking 50% of CPU) |
| 19:29.42 | nuclear_eclipse | is there any way to have Illume auto-start certain applications after booting the Neo? |
| 19:29.43 | me | transylvania: the first boot had no problems |
| 19:29.52 | wurp2|working | LionKMP: whack it and see what dies :-) |
| 19:30.38 | Dave | heh |
| 19:30.44 | Dave | FATALITY! |
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| 19:30.53 | CVirus | isn't any one allowed to send to the bugs mailing list unless he's a developer ? |
| 19:31.23 | Dave | developers aren't? |
| 19:31.39 | CVirus | developers are allowed |
| 19:31.40 | transylvania | me: what is the error message befor panic ? |
| 19:31.43 | LionKMP | hm, killed. hehe, a window appeared, that this should not happen and this is probably a bug in Qtopia, press OK to restart. :) |
| 19:31.45 | CVirus | normal people aren't ? |
| 19:31.49 | CVirus | Dave: my bad english .. sorry |
| 19:31.53 | Dave | :x |
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| 19:31.58 | me | transylvania: please wait |
| 19:32.22 | LionKMP | CVirus: send bug reports to http://docs.openmoko.org instead |
| 19:32.38 | CVirus | LionKMP: I just wanted to comment on a thread |
| 19:32.47 | LionKMP | ah I see |
| 19:32.54 | CVirus | is it possible ? |
| 19:33.22 | CVirus | I sent but it failed |
| 19:33.32 | LionKMP | did it say you must be member? |
| 19:33.41 | me | transylvania: debugfs dir creation failed -19 |
| 19:33.41 | me | unsupported configuration opcode: 3 |
| 19:33.41 | me | unsupported configuration opcode: 5 |
| 19:33.41 | me | kernel panic- not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (179,2) |
| 19:33.49 | CVirus | A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: |
| 19:33.57 | CVirus | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.02 | CVirus | local delivery failed |
| 19:34.08 | LionKMP | wurp2|working: GPE restarted by the error message window and it is eating CPU again. 62%. :) |
| 19:34.13 | Dave | haha |
| 19:34.15 | Dave | megafail |
| 19:34.16 | wurp2|working | LionKMP: Hmm, you said GPE. I think you mean qpe |
| 19:34.19 | CVirus | fromMail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon@docs.openmoko.org> |
| 19:34.22 | transylvania | me: looks like a bad root parameter |
| 19:34.33 | CVirus | LionKMP: any clue ? |
| 19:34.34 | wurp2|working | qpe is the daemon that handles phone calls for qtopia, I think |
| 19:34.34 | LionKMP | wurp2|working: hm, now that you say.... yes :) |
| 19:34.46 | Gnutoo | hello, I need an image for testing all the functionalities of the openmoko...as I will retrieve it soon(this week)...and i want to know if the phone i bought has no hardware defect that was not present on all the others openmoko that have been produced...so what image should i chose? 2008.8?(it has problems with the wifi...but what kind of problems?) and it has suspend problems... |
| 19:34.48 | me | transylvania: what I have to do? |
| 19:35.01 | Dave | brokenmoko.org? |
| 19:35.14 | transylvania | me: verify you uboot config |
| 19:35.16 | wurp2|working | LionKMP: It seems very wrong for it to take up 62% - even if you were on a call, it shouldn't |
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| 19:35.18 | LionKMP | CVirus: no, but why that is not listed here? http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ are you sure that's a real mailing list? |
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| 19:35.18 | transylvania | your |
| 19:35.27 | me | transylvania: where? (sorry but I'm noob) |
| 19:35.50 | CVirus | LionKMP: hmm .. I guess it's just the bugzilla updates ... thank you :-D |
| 19:35.54 | CVirus | trac* |
| 19:36.16 | CVirus | not sure |
| 19:36.19 | CVirus | damn |
| 19:36.23 | LionKMP | yep, I thought the same :) so then you can reply the thread on docs.openmoko.org. |
| 19:36.35 | CVirus | ah cool |
| 19:36.40 | CVirus | thanks again |
| 19:36.50 | LionKMP | np, I hope that will work. |
| 19:37.17 | Gnutoo | Dave, lol...I just bought a micro-sd card...if it's not possible to test all the functionalities...should I and could I multiboot on the sd ASU and FSO? |
| 19:38.03 | LionKMP | Gnutoo: I think it will take several weeks to learn the system and be able to test. (at least it is taking for me) |
| 19:38.20 | LionKMP | Gnutoo: additionally, you can flash another system very fast, so you can test whatever works in which system. |
| 19:38.53 | Gnutoo | LionKMP, ok thanks...(i have 2 days to test it) |
| 19:39.04 | LionKMP | Gnutoo: why only 2? |
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| 19:39.34 | transylvania | me => wiki "booting on sd card" |
| 19:39.40 | Gnutoo | LionKMP, yes I will be in Paris for 2 days...after I go back to where I live for a Math exam... |
| 19:40.52 | LionKMP | I see. hehe, hm... I needed a lot more time to test half of it :) but you may be more experienced. |
| 19:42.04 | Gnutoo | transylvania, thanks I didn't know there was a possibility to modify uboot's config file like GRUB |
| 19:42.23 | Dave | You have failed to achieve victory! |
| 19:45.53 | LionKMP | gesd was also taking a lot of CPU (that's Gestures I think) |
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| 19:48.27 | nyu | Gnutoo: you could port grub instead |
| 19:48.30 | wurp2|working | LionKMP: That seems normal to me |
| 19:48.31 | nyu | it's portable now |
| 19:48.52 | Gnutoo | nyu, lol...grub2 because grub1 is not portable |
| 19:49.01 | LionKMP | wurp2|working: well, I removed. the whole phone works so slow since the updates/newsoftware yesterday. |
| 19:49.03 | nyu | Gnutoo: right |
| 19:49.10 | nyu | Gnutoo: how's that funny? :-) |
| 19:49.25 | LionKMP | something made qpe so active, but I don't know how to find. |
| 19:49.27 | wurp2|working | LionKMP: Yeah, normal doesn't mean it's not a problem :-) |
| 19:50.03 | wurp2|working | LionKMP: You could try running qpe under strace |
| 19:50.17 | Gnutoo | nyu, grub2 is not ready yet...but it has great things such as support for software raid drives if i remember well |
| 19:50.23 | wurp2|working | lpotter might be able to tell you a better way, though |
| 19:51.12 | nyu | Gnutoo: why do you think it's not ready? |
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| 19:51.18 | DEac- | moin moin |
| 19:51.24 | LionKMP | wurp2|working: it went down now, maybe it finished something... :-p (took something like 10 minutes) |
| 19:52.18 | tg | hai |
| 19:53.36 | Gnutoo | nyu, don't know well...i heard long time ago that it was still in heavy developement and in my distribution(gentoo) it's hard masked |
| 19:55.39 | nyu | Gnutoo: yeah, it's in heavy development, but that doesn't mean it's not ready (in contrast, GRUB Legacy is almost stalled) |
| 19:55.43 | tg | LionKMP: hai :) |
| 19:55.57 | nyu | Gnutoo: as for Gentoo, you could tell them to un-hard-mark it |
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| 19:56.17 | LionKMP | hali :) |
| 19:56.33 | tg | LionKMP: check your invites:> |
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| 19:56.47 | LionKMP | what's that? |
| 19:56.59 | lesouvage | It was me logging in |
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| 19:59.47 | lesouvage | Is there a decent sip/voip client available for the freerunner? That really would be perfect. |
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| 20:12.37 | Gnutoo | lesouvage, is tapioca a lib or a voip client or is it a lib? |
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| 20:14.44 | Andre613 | lesouvage: which software stack are you using? |
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| 20:17.10 | Gnutoo | i am interrested in voip too...i would use openmoko->voip-client->openvpn->asterisk |
| 20:17.39 | Andre613 | Gnutoo, asterisk isn't a voip client |
| 20:17.53 | Gnutoo | Andre613, i know...it's my voip server |
| 20:18.20 | Gnutoo | Andre613, but i need to patch it in order to have speex as codec |
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| 20:20.01 | Gnutoo | because the gsm codec doesn't have a good quality |
| 20:21.27 | DEac- | this is what i want to have too |
| 20:21.54 | DEac- | but without openvpn |
| 20:23.22 | lambda | hi |
| 20:23.43 | lambda | anyone using an additional usb keyboard here ? |
| 20:23.51 | tg | - |
| 20:23.51 | aum | dumb question - is openmoko only for cellphones, or is it also suitable for non-cellphone PDAs such as iPaqs? |
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| 20:25.15 | lambda | aum, FSO support many architectures |
| 20:25.40 | lesouvage | Gnutoo: I think I have heard of most voip clients and tapioca doesn' ring a bell |
| 20:25.57 | lambda | my logs tell me: # |
| 20:25.57 | lambda | input: HID Keyboard Device as /devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb1/1-2/1-2.3/1-2.3:1.0/input/input9 |
| 20:25.57 | lambda | # |
| 20:25.57 | lambda | input: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [HID Keyboard Device] on usb-s3c24xx-2.3 |
| 20:26.10 | lambda | but keyboard doesn't work |
| 20:26.18 | lesouvage | Andre613: not one yet, waiting for the postman |
| 20:26.19 | aum | lambda: ok. I've just bought an old ipaq 4350, and am trying to learn the Angstrom/OpenEmbedded development cycle - would it profit me to switch to OpenMoko instead? |
| 20:26.20 | lambda | even if it recognized |
| 20:26.54 | Gnutoo | lesouvage, ah ok it's a lib |
| 20:27.00 | Gnutoo | but it was in or |
| 20:27.04 | Gnutoo | s/or/oe |
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| 20:27.57 | lesouvage | Gnutoo: I'm in Asterisk too. Actally, i'm trying to make a living with Asterisk related services. My dream is to use Asterisk in front of the telephony so you can script all kind of smart thinks. |
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| 20:29.02 | Gnutoo | lesouvage, for me it's more a matter of having private conversation...i used it in my router(piii500),but the wifi doesn't work well(i need to fix it) |
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| 20:29.10 | Gnutoo | s/conversation/conversations |
| 20:30.00 | lambda | i use this kind of input keyboard http://www.clavier-souple.com/IMG/clavier-silicone-souple-1.jpg |
| 20:31.45 | Gnutoo | lambda, i can't help because i don't know enough on the keyboard but mabe you could tell us what image are you using |
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| 20:32.18 | Gnutoo | lambda, by the way...long time ago i saw updates on keyboard support in the planet |
| 20:33.20 | lesouvage | Is there a list somewhere on the internet with the apps that are available for the freerunner? I searched for it but haven't find it. |
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| 20:33.54 | Tig| | lesouvage: that would depend on what image and feeds you are using :) |
| 20:33.57 | lambda | Gnutoo, i use fso-testing |
| 20:34.17 | lambda | i 'm gonna glance the planet thx |
| 20:34.36 | Kensan | lesouvage: you can browse through the oe/openmoko package repository |
| 20:35.17 | Gnutoo | here it is: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080716 |
| 20:36.17 | lesouvage | Tigl: first I want to go for the most stable. |
| 20:37.11 | Tig| | lesouvage: well that depends on your point of view :) |
| 20:40.26 | lesouvage | Tigl: I have used a hacked iPhone for the lost half year and I'm used to reboot it once i a while. But it would be nice to place and receive phonecalls, send an sms and browse the iternet without to many problems. |
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| 20:41.26 | rwhitby | shr.bearstech.com is still down :-( |
| 20:41.54 | lambda | get it |
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| 20:42.36 | rwhitby | the feeds are there, but I can't run the autobuilder to update them |
| 20:42.45 | rwhitby | so they are already out of date |
| 20:42.49 | Zilla | bye all |
| 20:44.22 | Dave | haw |
| 20:44.31 | Dave | rwhitby, isn't it disappointing? |
| 20:44.35 | Amorphous | Kensan, is there a convenient way to browser the repos? (i.e. not opkg ...) |
| 20:44.56 | rwhitby | Dave: I'm setting up alternative infrastructure on builder.nslu2-linux.org |
| 20:45.34 | Dave | yep |
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| 20:45.41 | rwhitby | http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/freesmartphone/ and http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/images/freesmartphone/ |
| 20:45.48 | rwhitby | fso-testing is built |
| 20:45.53 | rwhitby | working on fso-unstable now |
| 20:45.53 | Dave | ah |
| 20:46.09 | Dave | I still can't decide what distro to move on to after 2007.2 |
| 20:46.20 | Dave | Though I'll still keep it around forever. |
| 20:46.25 | Dave | It's sadly still the most usable to me. |
| 20:47.58 | tg | hai |
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| 20:50.33 | KewlCat | Hello |
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| 20:52.17 | AJuOnLiNE | developing an application Openmoko.. can be a termed part of Linux on Embedded development? |
| 20:53.10 | Tig| | openmoko could definatly be considered embedded linux :) |
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| 20:53.28 | AJuOnLiNE | Tig|: thanks :) |
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| 20:53.29 | Tig| | hello KewlCat |
| 20:53.54 | AJuOnLiNE | Tig|: i have so far managed to do research on gathering requirements for Sahana :) |
| 20:53.57 | Tig| | AJuOnLiNE: that is in my opinion anyway :) |
| 20:56.39 | AJuOnLiNE | Tig|: ok |
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| 20:58.02 | LionKMP | I followed this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_install_the_illume_.28Raster.27s.29_keyboard_.3F |
| 20:58.15 | LionKMP | and now I see a real englightement desktop instead the usual phone desktop. 2008.8. |
| 20:58.27 | LionKMP | even after reboot, I get a complete linux desktop. |
| 20:58.35 | AJuOnLiNE | Tig|: can I use the emulator to test out different builds available ? |
| 21:00.10 | Tig| | probably, to be honest I have never run openmoko on qemu but I am sure there are plenty of people who have :) |
| 21:01.33 | Gnutoo | I think i will use FSO...it's written that gsm is stable,there is a terminal,it seems to have only minor issues,but what doesn't work? |
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| 21:02.00 | lindi- | Gnutoo: what has keyboard to do with fso-frameworkd? |
| 21:02.00 | AJuOnLiNE | oki should be doing that tomorrow.. so wanted to confirm.. |
| 21:02.05 | Gnutoo | bluetooth doesn't work...but would it work if i build command line package? |
| 21:03.06 | Gnutoo | lindi-, I supposed that the keyboard was recognized by the kernel but that the framework GUI didn't make use of the hardware keyboard |
| 21:03.10 | torindel | Gnutoo: and why not? |
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| 21:03.37 | torindel | (just load usb host and usb bluetooth modules and turn on power in /sys) |
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| 21:04.03 | Kensan | Amorphous: you can try the git repos |
| 21:04.27 | Gnutoo | torindel, ah for bluetooth...i supposed that what's was written in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions was true |
| 21:04.27 | Kensan | Amorphous: http://git.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=tree;f=packages;h=44b0a31c7a253ab8ef8bfa80cdf274e9032e73fe;hb=3b3b71ef3d8c299ac3f26000a4658cd8eaf9e203 |
| 21:04.35 | lindi- | Gnutoo: X programs don't know where the input comes |
| 21:05.10 | Gnutoo | lindi-, ah ok...i only used the gtk api...so i don't know much...thanks |
| 21:05.46 | Amorphous | not what i had in mind, although useful for another purpose, thank you |
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| 21:07.28 | LionKMP | hey I see an enligthement full desktop when X starts up, any ideas? How to get back to openmoko icons? |
| 21:07.55 | KewlCat | LionKMP : which distribution ? |
| 21:08.05 | KewlCat | LionKMP : 2008.8 ? |
| 21:08.11 | LionKMP | yes |
| 21:08.21 | LionKMP | I did this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_install_the_illume_.28Raster.27s.29_keyboard_.3F |
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| 21:08.32 | LionKMP | last command resulted in a normal Linux desktop :( |
| 21:09.20 | KewlCat | LionKMP : can you try to run "illume" in a terminal ? |
| 21:10.08 | KewlCat | LionKMP : (or in a console...) |
| 21:10.26 | LionKMP | I'll try with DISPLAY=:0 in ssh |
| 21:10.42 | LionKMP | illume command not found |
| 21:10.46 | KewlCat | uh oh |
| 21:11.41 | KewlCat | LionKMP : You only installed illume-config and illume-config-illume ? |
| 21:11.50 | LionKMP | today yes |
| 21:12.29 | timo2k | have you done rm -rf /something ? lionKMP? |
| 21:12.39 | LionKMP | yes ,as written on that page |
| 21:12.54 | LionKMP | rm -rf ~/.e/e/config/illume |
| 21:13.32 | lambda | attempting to opkg update |
| 21:13.32 | timo2k | have done the same but I think that was on ly for that build.. not for mine.. I had to reflash cause I didnt know any further :( |
| 21:13.48 | lambda | i 've got many * Package XXXXXX md5sum mismatch. |
| 21:15.31 | lambda | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.36 | lambda | pretty cool |
| 21:16.08 | LionKMP | well, ok, thanks all, I'll try again tomorrow. cya |
| 21:16.16 | KewlCat | "Try 'opkg update'" seems like the solution for everything, if you believe error messages :-D |
| 21:16.41 | Gnutoo | ah...wow suspend seems to work too with FSO milestone II according to a blog...I can't wait for my device |
| 21:16.48 | lambda | of course i tryed it |
| 21:16.52 | lambda | with no success |
| 21:17.04 | LionKMP | Gnutoo: I think that works in 2008.8 too (it suspends here) |
| 21:17.12 | lambda | it's so obvious that i can't be the truth |
| 21:17.13 | Gnutoo | wow |
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| 21:17.24 | Tig| | Gnutoo: hopefully Milestone 3 will be out soon :) |
| 21:17.54 | Gnutoo | Tig|, ok...one week? one month? |
| 21:18.24 | lambda | heard a couple of days, three weeks ago .. |
| 21:18.25 | Tig| | well mickey was hoping for last weekend |
| 21:18.41 | Tig| | so soon (tm) |
| 21:19.34 | Gnutoo | ok thanks |
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| 21:24.02 | Gnutoo | i must go...bye |
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| 21:34.15 | Toaster` | question: is it advisable to remove the references to the buildhost repos that are present in the current images? |
| 21:34.27 | cjb | Toaster`: why? |
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| 21:35.01 | Toaster` | cjb: well, is there any chance that 2008.8 will draw packages from there, and break as per the /topic |
| 21:36.17 | Toaster` | cjb |
| 21:36.24 | Toaster` | cjb: nevermind |
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| 21:36.49 | Toaster` | I had an old shell open, everything is good now |
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| 21:38.56 | CVirus | is Milestone 3 supposed to suspend/resume reliably ? |
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| 21:43.24 | Tig| | CVirus: well milestone 2 is quite good at suspend resume so hopefully they are getting there :) |
| 21:43.42 | Toaster` | Tig|: do you use Milestone 2? |
| 21:43.49 | Tig| | yes :) |
| 21:43.59 | Toaster` | how's it working for you? |
| 21:44.58 | Tig| | GPS just works and is ace, had a couple of phone bugs but I am running updates from the bearstech feed |
| 21:45.14 | Tig| | wifi with lint wifi connects to my WPA network fine |
| 21:45.21 | Toaster` | SMS working ok? |
| 21:45.31 | Tig| | ah SMS is where it falls down |
| 21:45.46 | Tig| | but that is something that milestone 3 is supposed to be fixing :) |
| 21:46.22 | Tig| | and is due soon :) |
| 21:46.29 | Toaster` | interesting |
| 21:47.04 | Toaster` | does tangogps work? |
| 21:47.09 | Tig| | oh yes ;0 |
| 21:47.12 | Tig| | :) even |
| 21:47.20 | MrSkittle | Toaster`? |
| 21:47.27 | Toaster` | interesting... I'll have to give it a try |
| 21:47.28 | Tig| | apologies, using a crap keyboard here |
| 21:47.39 | Toaster` | MrSkittle: yes? |
| 21:47.58 | MrSkittle | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDRUiisZD_4 |
| 21:48.09 | Tig| | Toaster`: it should even be on the default image you get, but I would wait a few days for FSO milestone 3 :) |
| 21:50.26 | Toaster` | Tig|: I'll probably give it a try sooner and then update again later. What does it use for a addressbook db? similar to 2007 or 2008? |
| 21:51.23 | Tig| | Toaster`: neither as far as I know, the dialer and phone applications are just placeholders and test apps while they fix the underlying problems. |
| 21:51.38 | Toaster` | ahh ok |
| 21:51.48 | Tig| | so the interface is not as polished but is functional |
| 21:53.24 | Tig| | the idea being that someone else will but a better interface on it, the FSO people are making the underlying stuff rock solid and easy to interface with |
| 21:54.03 | Toaster` | Tig|: I'll take the stability over looks. And you said that suspend/resume works fine? |
| 21:54.12 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1973: Enlightenment is slow to start / restart / update ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1973 ) |
| 21:54.12 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1974: Enlightenment is slow to start / restart / update ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1974 ) |
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| 21:55.06 | Tig| | it works better than anything else I have tried, that said it did the other day not let me answer a call but I have been installing all kinds of crap on it and not from the official feeds :) |
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| 21:55.31 | Toaster` | That may affect it :) |
| 21:55.58 | Toaster` | I've been having nothing but grief from 2008, so good suspend/resume is of interest to me. |
| 21:56.03 | Tig| | battery life is still not ace but you can leave it overnight now without it being dead :) |
| 21:56.17 | Toaster` | hell, that's a nice improvement |
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| 21:56.28 | Toaster` | you running testing or unstable?> |
| 21:56.50 | Tig| | testing from the bearstech feeds |
| 21:57.12 | Tig| | but they fell over earlier with a hardware problem :( |
| 21:57.32 | Tig| | so really I am just going to wait for MS3 and reflash cleanly :) |
| 21:57.40 | Toaster` | ahh |
| 21:59.13 | Tig| | I did use it as my primary phone running 2007 for a while but my gf got annoyed with me as my phone was always off because I had either forgotten to plug it in or was reflashing it or had killed the gsmd process :) |
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| 21:59.44 | Tig| | if they do fix the sms issues on MS3 then I will be using it again as my main phone :) |
| 22:01.15 | anakron | Hi, has anybody experience with using linux under VMware fusion to do openmoko flashing stuff? |
| 22:01.47 | Tig| | mind you, "No I did not get that text from you suggesting we go visit your mother this weekend, I must have been reflashing my phone at the time...." would be rather handy :) |
| 22:01.52 | aum | is it possible to use an OpenEmbedded tree as an ipkg feed source? |
| 22:02.10 | Toaster` | Tig|: heh |
| 22:02.42 | |FiLiP| | anakron: I've done it succesfully using VirtualBox |
| 22:02.52 | KewlCat | anakron : dfu-util doesn't exist for your platform ? |
| 22:02.54 | Tig| | anakron: not here but if vmware fusion does not interfere with traffic then it might work :) |
| 22:03.44 | anakron | I was successfuly able to get USB networking working in my Ubuntu inside VMware fusion |
| 22:04.24 | anakron | but when trying to connect the device to flash with dfu-util I always get an error |
| 22:04.36 | KewlCat | anakron : which error ? |
| 22:05.14 | anakron | ubuntu tells me somthing about invalid desciptors and that it could not enumerate the devices |
| 22:05.27 | Toaster` | Tig|: I'm off, thanks for the info |
| 22:05.36 | Tig| | night night :) |
| 22:05.37 | anakron | I think it has something to do with mac os interfering befor vmware can grap the usb |
| 22:06.10 | anakron | |FiLiP|: are you able to flash your openmoko using USB? |
| 22:06.49 | |FiLiP| | yes, always using usb in VirtualBox for reflashing |
| 22:07.24 | |FiLiP| | when you get the error, did you try to re-plug the FR ? |
| 22:08.13 | *** topic/#openmoko by XorA|gone -> Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
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| 22:08.30 | anakron | KewlCat: dfu-util works exists for mac but I prefer Linux to do my experiments as I know it better. But I like to do it form MacOS an not to reboot: *lazy* |
| 22:09.09 | KewlCat | What's the difference between dfu-util run from MacOS and dfu-util run from Linux ? :-p |
| 22:09.44 | KewlCat | (if it's only for flashing the FreeRunner) |
| 22:10.12 | anakron | |FiLiP|: I tried VirtualBox (2.0) too but there I get an error when trying to connect the usb device to VirtualBox it. It tells me thath it could not create a proxy device for it |
| 22:12.16 | anakron | until now I could not get the mac version of dfu-util working either. it detects the device but I can not flash it. |
| 22:12.25 | |FiLiP| | well, I'm using it on a windows host, not mac |
| 22:13.00 | KewlCat | anakron : have you already managed to flash your phone or not ? |
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| 22:13.28 | anakron | not on my mac |
| 22:14.06 | KewlCat | anakron : but under Linux (NOT a "virtual" Linux), yes ? |
| 22:14.13 | KewlCat | anakron : ok |
| 22:14.43 | anakron | yes I have an ubuntu and there it works |
| 22:14.51 | KewlCat | anakron : when is the phone plugged in ? before or after it is booter under U-Doot ? |
| 22:15.06 | KewlCat | anakron : "booted" |
| 22:15.11 | anakron | I tried both |
| 22:15.15 | KewlCat | and "U-Boot" |
| 22:15.38 | KewlCat | should go to bed... too many typos :-P |
| 22:16.54 | KewlCat | does "dfu-util --list" show you the right device info ? |
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| 22:17.27 | anakron | the mac version shows the device info right |
| 22:17.57 | anakron | but the Virtual ubuntu does not even recognize the usb device correctly |
| 22:18.15 | KewlCat | :-/ |
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| 22:19.36 | KewlCat | And it's the very same Ubuntu you used for your "native" Linux system, so you're sure that there is no kernel module missing |
| 22:19.58 | anakron | I belive that the AppleUSBCDCACM Module from apple is interfering somehow |
| 22:20.50 | KewlCat | CDCACM ? But when it's in U-Boot it does not declare itself as a CDCACM device ?!? |
| 22:20.53 | KewlCat | weird |
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| 22:23.25 | anakron | I know but MacOS loads it when I first plug it in booted in "U-Boot"! |
| 22:23.52 | KewlCat | :-/ |
| 22:24.33 | anakron | But it tells me too that: configureACM faild |
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| 22:25.35 | ab0oo | any of you geniuses used the new bluez tools with no HIDD daemon? |
| 22:25.44 | anakron | I hoped to find notserpe as he has writen something about VMware Fusion in the wiki |
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| 22:27.14 | KewlCat | anakron : well... good luck ! I have no Mac / VMWare Fusion to test this on, and no other idea... |
| 22:27.39 | anakron | thank you for your help |
| 22:27.48 | KewlCat | anakron ;-) |
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| 22:35.40 | anakron | KewlCat: I just noticed that the openmoko u-boot identifies itself as CDC-ASM device under ubuntu too. |
| 22:37.09 | KewlCat | wow |
| 22:38.24 | KewlCat | now the question is "why ?" :-D |
| 22:38.48 | anakron | isn't this normal? It works there! |
| 22:40.20 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4637 10/developers/werner/dbgrst/ (Makefile dbgrst.c): |
| 22:40.20 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - dbgrst.c (set_high): repeat the command several times since it sometimes gets |
| 22:40.20 | CIA-22 | openmoko: lost |
| 22:40.20 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - Makefile: make "install" depend on "dbgrst" |
| 22:41.21 | KewlCat | AFAIK, CDC-AMC devices are used to place calls or to bind PPP connections, I highly doubt that Openmoko's U-Boot is able to do that ;-) |
| 22:41.47 | anakron | weird stuff |
| 22:41.50 | KewlCat | yep |
| 22:42.11 | anakron | but ubuntu tells me always that this cdc device is not a modem |
| 22:42.45 | KewlCat | looks for the real meaning of "CDC" and "ACM" :-D |
| 22:42.54 | anakron | but it loads the cdc-acm modul |
| 22:42.56 | mjr | the cdc-acm serial interface gives you the u-boot console |
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| 22:43.03 | Wollschaf | I just figured out why writing to my automounted SD card (ext2) was unbearably slow - I got 150kB/s with dd and only 8KB/s with scp |
| 22:43.25 | Kryczek | Wollschaf: why? :) |
| 22:43.25 | cjb | Wollschaf: why was it? |
| 22:43.25 | KewlCat | mjr : Oooooohh.... |
| 22:43.28 | cjb | because jffs2 uses compression and dd doesn't? |
| 22:43.32 | Wollschaf | spent hours fiddling with glamo_mci parameters... just to find out that 2008.8 automounts with the "sync" option. Argh! |
| 22:43.36 | cjb | oh, ext2 |
| 22:43.42 | cjb | oh :) |
| 22:43.47 | mjr | whee for sync! |
| 22:43.56 | KewlCat | Yeah, "CDC" is pretty generic, in fact.... |
| 22:44.03 | anakron | think so |
| 22:44.13 | mjr | anyway, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_CDC_ACM |
| 22:44.18 | Deubeuliou | How can I create a jffs image from a set of files ? |
| 22:44.25 | zash | mkfss |
| 22:44.29 | cjb | Deubeuliou: mkfs.jffs2 |
| 22:44.29 | KewlCat | mjr : thanks ;-) |
| 22:44.34 | anakron | I will search if I can disable the apple driver |
| 22:44.34 | zash | mkfs -t jffs2 blaha |
| 22:44.56 | Deubeuliou | it wont create a partition on the disk ? |
| 22:45.23 | cjb | Deubeuliou: no |
| 22:45.29 | cjb | filesystems and partitions are different |
| 22:45.35 | cjb | in particular, partitions contain filesystems |
| 22:45.46 | cjb | you're creating an image of a filesystem, not a partition |
| 22:45.50 | Deubeuliou | ok |
| 22:45.54 | zash | Deubeuliou: you can do dd if=/dev/zero of=./myfilesystem.jffs2 bs=something count=something |
| 22:46.17 | zash | Deubeuliou: and then mkfs.jffs2 ./myfilesystem.jffs2 |
| 22:46.23 | anakron | good night |
| 22:46.30 | lindi- | cjb: usually the size of filesystem is the size of the partition so the images of filesystem and partition are equal too |
| 22:46.35 | timo2k | me too good night |
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| 22:49.34 | zash | oh, so mkfs.jffs2 creates a fs image from a directory? |
| 22:49.36 | zash | wth |
| 22:50.07 | Deubeuliou | yeah, looks like. that's what I'm going to do |
| 22:51.03 | zash | but how to mount it |
| 22:51.13 | Deubeuliou | I don't want to moiunt it |
| 22:51.22 | Deubeuliou | I want to send it to the phone |
| 22:51.33 | Deubeuliou | to flash the phone with it |
| 22:51.38 | KewlCat | zash : -o loop, maybe ? |
| 22:51.44 | Deubeuliou | probably |
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| 22:54.57 | lindi- | -o loop won't |
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| 22:55.27 | mjr | KewlCat, not that simple. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image |
| 22:56.27 | KewlCat | Well... at least I could try... :-p |
| 22:56.31 | mjr | basically, flash memory is sufficiently unlike a block device that you need an emulation layer there |
| 22:57.04 | cjb | yeah |
| 22:57.12 | ShellEvil | s/block device/standard linux block device/ |
| 22:57.25 | mjr | ShellEvil, fine, be that way ;P |
| 22:57.27 | ShellEvil | It of course is a block device (sort-of) but has errors and stuff. |
| 22:57.28 | cjb | ShellEvil: why do you say that? |
| 22:57.37 | cjb | ShellEvil: that's not the main difference. |
| 22:57.40 | KewlCat | oh... so that's what an MTD is used for |
| 22:57.49 | ShellEvil | No, not the whole difference. |
| 22:58.09 | cjb | you need to erase blocks before rewriting them, which means MTD devices don't support mmap(2) |
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| 23:00.01 | mjr | well... |
| 23:00.13 | ShellEvil | 'stuff' |
| 23:00.24 | mjr | oh yeah, raw mtd, yeah, ok |
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| 23:37.33 | Dave | How be the code? |
| 23:37.48 | AJuOnLiNE | Godly |
| 23:37.52 | hipitihop | waves good morning to the residents |
| 23:40.49 | hipitihop | Although I can't be specific as I'm not sure how to identify the culprit, however I'm pretty certain something has a mem leak in 2008.8-updated |
| 23:41.22 | ShellEvil | Threads of hotmelt (~0.2mm dia) placed on 20um foil, the sandwitch heated with a rod rolled over it heated to maybe 130C. In peel the strength is quite high - maybe 50Kg/m |
| 23:41.29 | ShellEvil | oops |
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| 23:43.12 | hipitihop | top tells me 121872k total with 1984k free with only the desktop (home) running |
| 23:43.27 | ShellEvil | free is slightly misleading |
| 23:43.52 | ShellEvil | free is really free+buffers+what can be discarded from memory as it's copies of executables read from disk. |
| 23:44.11 | hipitihop | fair enough however does look normal ? |
| 23:44.33 | ShellEvil | In a normal linux system that's not way overspecced, you will normally get 1-2M free |
| 23:44.45 | hipitihop | this is a gta02 so reports 123856k total and 121984 used |
| 23:44.55 | aum | does the ext2 fs driver use wear-levelling with an ext2 filesystem on SD card? |
| 23:45.43 | Amorphous | i sometimes have the problem that when i resume 2008.8 by button that it will go into suspend after 1 or 2 seconds again by itself |
| 23:45.58 | hipitihop | Amorphous, I have experienced the same |
| 23:46.03 | ShellEvil | aum: the wear leveling should be inside the card |
| 23:46.11 | aum | ShellEvil: ahh, nice |
| 23:46.23 | hipitihop | ShellEvil, I have events/0 using 29.6% cpu |
| 23:46.33 | aum | is there any way to build ipkgs without having to write a .bb recipe? |
| 23:46.41 | hipitihop | and dbus-daemon further 20% |
| 23:47.21 | Amorphous | hipitihop, you know of any bugreports or something that might have a hint about how to fix this? |
| 23:48.17 | hipitihop | Amorphous, sorry has not bugged me enough to go looking |
| 23:49.51 | alphabeat | aum: does this help? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Packaging_your_application |
| 23:51.10 | aum | alphabeat: that's a bit ahead - for now i'm wanting to know the best/cleanest way to manually invoke the cross-compilation tools (gcc etc) from within the OE tree |
| 23:52.24 | alphabeat | are you trying to compile an existing app? |
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| 23:53.12 | aum | alphabeat: for now, yes, then i want to port a couple of my own apps into OE |
| 23:57.43 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * ra18e47b19b19 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [python-etk] Bump up the revision of python-etk to 8d36de2726003ad0356056fcf3ede5f2d3f4fca7 |
| 23:59.29 | alphabeat | hmm...sounds interesting. good luck with it all! |
