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| 00:32.16 | slaxxin | well thats good although tape does not change the alignment of contacts |
| 00:32.49 | slaxxin | some contacts are much wider than others |
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| 00:34.50 | SpeedEvil | yes - however the SIM socket contacts are point contacts. |
| 00:35.11 | snp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=260Kpiqv9_U woot |
| 00:35.18 | SpeedEvil | And if the points that are touched by teh contacts on the socket are the correct contact, and don't short, then it's fine. |
| 00:35.21 | snp | (from planet moko) |
| 00:35.29 | SpeedEvil | The actual design isn't important. |
| 00:35.58 | SpeedEvil | sighs at not being able to youtube. |
| 00:36.13 | SpeedEvil | (I'd have to get out of bed and fetch the mouse) |
| 00:36.19 | snp | duke nukem 3d on openmoko :) |
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| 00:36.50 | snp | I'm so longing for mine.. On transit from UK to Sweden as we speak. |
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| 00:37.21 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 00:42.00 | snp | think I'll hit the sack as well.... |
| 00:42.35 | SpeedEvil | Night. |
| 00:42.40 | snp | night.. |
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| 01:09.57 | slaxxin | any debianites here? |
| 01:10.18 | slaxxin | http://pastebin.com/m59eb2abd |
| 01:10.18 | SpeedEvil | I'm sure I've seen their videos. |
| 01:10.48 | slaxxin | i need some help with debian on sdcard |
| 01:13.13 | SpeedEvil | gg h2o2 heat of dissociation mole |
| 01:13.14 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 01:14.02 | Sargun_Screen | uh |
| 01:21.16 | SpeedEvil | (Computing the heat output of a H2O2->oxygen converter at resting oxygen demand, and athletic activity) |
| 01:23.05 | Sargun_Screen | uhm |
| 01:23.12 | Sargun_Screen | weirdo. |
| 01:23.53 | SpeedEvil | I was idly wondering how hard a functional mermaid suit would be. |
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| 01:26.09 | Sargun_Screen | jaajajajajja |
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| 02:28.35 | slaxxin | it was a good game rooly |
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| 02:48.53 | slaxxin | my debian sdcard is mo stable than my openmoko 2008.9 |
| 02:49.27 | slaxxin | battery seems longerlasting by 4hours |
| 02:50.32 | Sargun_Screen | 99fso ftw |
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| 03:23.48 | ulix | hello |
| 03:24.16 | ulix | does any one knows how to control the display dim time |
| 03:24.24 | ulix | please |
| 03:26.49 | ulix | alo |
| 03:26.52 | ulix | does any one knows how to control the display dim time |
| 03:26.54 | ulix | does any one knows how to control the display dim time |
| 03:27.05 | Sargun_Screen | no |
| 03:27.32 | ulix | woo |
| 03:27.40 | ulix | ok |
| 03:27.46 | Sargun_Screen | sorry |
| 03:28.15 | ulix | the screen is draining the battery |
| 03:28.28 | Sargun_Screen | yaeh |
| 03:34.28 | slaxxin | ULIX WHICH OS U RUNNING ON? |
| 03:34.40 | slaxxin | wake up |
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| 03:40.32 | ulix | i'm running om2007 |
| 03:40.37 | ulix | i'm running om2007.2 |
| 03:40.44 | ulix | the first |
| 03:41.18 | ulix | hey I was waching the hurracainslaxxin |
| 03:41.34 | ulix | alo |
| 03:41.38 | ulix | dam it |
| 03:41.49 | ulix | i went to eat dinner |
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| 03:51.15 | ulix | slaxxin |
| 03:51.19 | ulix | are you there |
| 03:51.32 | Sargun_Screen | nope. |
| 03:52.35 | slaxxin | yup |
| 03:53.08 | ulix | soo |
| 03:53.08 | slaxxin | been so long i cant remember |
| 03:53.13 | ulix | jeje |
| 03:53.15 | ulix | bs |
| 03:53.31 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.35 | ulix | do you have any idea |
| 03:54.31 | ulix | well it set the screen orientation |
| 03:54.57 | ulix | but I have no idea how to control the display shutoff time |
| 03:54.58 | slaxxin | the power button maybe |
| 03:55.23 | slaxxin | it should be in applications |
| 03:56.18 | slaxxin | y dont u get 2008.8? |
| 03:56.26 | ulix | no nothing there that I know off, I gess is something related with gconf-tool or dbus |
| 03:57.36 | ulix | to slow |
| 03:57.46 | ulix | to slow for me |
| 03:58.10 | slaxxin | i turned off the animation an its ok |
| 03:58.19 | ulix | aja |
| 03:58.27 | ulix | tell me more |
| 03:58.36 | slaxxin | im a noob |
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| 03:58.54 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.26 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.56 | slaxxin | seems to work well |
| 04:00.15 | ulix | oo |
| 04:00.51 | slaxxin | didnt stop working for 2 days now |
| 04:00.55 | ulix | you are tellingme that debian in the SD is more stable than the 0m2997 |
| 04:01.05 | ulix | owesome |
| 04:01.06 | slaxxin | i think so |
| 04:01.24 | slaxxin | battery was lasted longer |
| 04:01.33 | ulix | how big is your sd card |
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| 04:01.47 | slaxxin | but i dont do any hacking or stuff |
| 04:01.54 | slaxxin | 2g |
| 04:02.17 | slaxxin | im thinking of having 4 2gig cards |
| 04:02.42 | slaxxin | so i can switch instead of flash |
| 04:02.59 | ulix | interesting |
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| 04:04.04 | slaxxin | so u put 2007.02 back on because of stability? |
| 04:04.24 | ulix | no because it was faster than 2008 |
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| 04:04.58 | slaxxin | did u use debian? |
| 04:05.13 | ulix | debian was not ready in that time |
| 04:05.29 | ulix | i thik ill try debian |
| 04:05.41 | slaxxin | i need some debian help i cant seem to get X started |
| 04:05.53 | slaxxin | i did startx |
| 04:06.03 | slaxxin | an got some errors |
| 04:06.37 | ulix | i will jump right now on debian but I need to get a bigger sd card |
| 04:06.53 | ulix | and besides i'm not im my house |
| 04:07.09 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.18 | ulix | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.47 | ulix | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.56 | ulix | s |
| 04:07.59 | ulix | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.05 | slaxxin | i want to find somebody who can port slackware to the openmoko because slack is real fast |
| 04:08.17 | slaxxin | yes |
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| 04:08.31 | slaxxin | sound hasnt quit yet |
| 04:08.40 | slaxxin | which is odd |
| 04:09.09 | slaxxin | on all openmoko os the sound has always broken |
| 04:09.45 | ulix | but you can heard people speaking, dont you? |
| 04:10.04 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:10.18 | slaxxin | running from sdcard |
| 04:10.39 | hil__ | hi all. i have a question. I have made openmoko-devel-image. I have all the images. When I try to 'make run-qemu-local' to use these images, I get this error: ls: cannot access /home/hil/moko/build/qemu/uImage-2.6.*-om-gta01.bin. The file doesn't exist. When I copy it there from build/tmp/deploy/... , and rerun run-qemu-local, it get deleted. What am I doing wrong? |
| 04:10.40 | ulix | so you mean when you try to play mp3s the sound is really bad |
| 04:11.15 | slaxxin | havent tried |
| 04:11.20 | ulix | hil__ dude you are wayy deper than me |
| 04:11.23 | hil__ | (er... that's qemu-local. not run-qemu-local) |
| 04:11.28 | ap02 | I seem to be hitting 404 when installing packages...anyone else having the same problem? |
| 04:11.52 | hil__ | still not able to get it work properly :( |
| 04:12.00 | ulix | ap02 check your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:12.17 | slaxxin | for a public address |
| 04:12.35 | ap02 | it should be ok...it was set up by udhcpc |
| 04:12.37 | hil__ | ap02: i was having this problem. the configuration is tryin to read from buildhost.openmoko.org.. that has been changed to downloads.openmoko.org but I don't know how to change it |
| 04:13.04 | hil__ | those files really are 404s ... try them in a browser |
| 04:13.16 | slaxxin | proly not good to install packages with wireless |
| 04:13.27 | hil__ | so... anyone interested in helping me with the running qemu problem? :( |
| 04:13.34 | ulix | hil__ dude you are wayy deper than me |
| 04:13.55 | hil__ | ulix: you aren't a bot, are you? :) |
| 04:13.57 | slaxxin | hulix u got a freerunner? |
| 04:14.05 | ulix | yes |
| 04:14.24 | slaxxin | connected with usb? |
| 04:14.37 | slaxxin | ssh in? |
| 04:14.39 | ap02 | k |
| 04:15.00 | ulix | yes |
| 04:15.11 | ulix | why |
| 04:15.23 | ulix | are you going to hack me? |
| 04:15.23 | slaxxin | so i can hack?)) |
| 04:15.27 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.31 | ulix | interesting |
| 04:15.37 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.45 | ulix | try |
| 04:16.12 | slaxxin | gps to? |
| 04:16.27 | ulix | yep the gps is running |
| 04:16.44 | ulix | what do you need |
| 04:17.08 | slaxxin | i get a bunch of people on mine but i donrt have maps an such |
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| 04:17.23 | slaxxin | its fso on debian |
| 04:17.42 | ulix | you try using tango gps, it work very well on the 2007 |
| 04:17.44 | slaxxin | maybe to install tango? |
| 04:18.27 | slaxxin | i need to get the debian gui working thats what i need |
| 04:18.56 | ulix | how can you make a phone call with out a gui |
| 04:19.11 | slaxxin | it has zhone |
| 04:19.16 | slaxxin | fso |
| 04:19.21 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.32 | ulix | zhone?? |
| 04:19.36 | slaxxin | comes with debian |
| 04:20.19 | slaxxin | 4 icons ,m, blue,, gps,phone,contacts,messeges |
| 04:21.12 | slaxxin | u havent installed any other than 2007.2 rihgt? |
| 04:21.21 | ulix | nop |
| 04:21.24 | slaxxin | ok |
| 04:21.34 | ulix | only 2007.2 an 2008.8 |
| 04:21.43 | slaxxin | lots of people have an then went back to that |
| 04:21.47 | slaxxin | ok |
| 04:22.18 | slaxxin | fso is pretty |
| 04:22.57 | ulix | ok |
| 04:23.12 | ulix | but in order to install zhone you need debian? |
| 04:25.23 | ulix | alo |
| 04:26.55 | ulix | ok i just asked the oracle about fso |
| 04:26.59 | ulix | my bad |
| 04:28.42 | ulix | well people well i'll see you latter |
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| 04:34.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | cool. the gsm modem is attached via serial. (uart). hopefully this means i can reuse the port |
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| 04:37.34 | mwester | How so? |
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| 04:37.56 | slaxxin | http://www.hogsbreath.com/hogcam/stagecam.cfm |
| 04:38.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | mwester, me? if i can aquire the pinout for the serialport it could be attched to pretty much any pcb going |
| 04:38.43 | slaxxin | banjo in a rock band |
| 04:40.06 | mwester | You would need access to the traces between the CPU and the GSM -- I'm not sure that those are on the debug connector on the GTA02, so you'll have to see if they are broken out to test pads to which you might be able to solder something. |
| 04:40.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | mwester, the gsm modem is cnonected via a cable |
| 04:41.19 | mwester | Er, don't think so. |
| 04:42.13 | mwester | The GSM is in a sheilded can soldered to the PCB. |
| 04:43.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. thats not what it looks like from the photos. |
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| 04:44.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02a5_pcba_ps.JPG |
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| 04:48.53 | mwester | That's a photo of the bare board, with no parts on it. |
| 04:49.20 | SpeedEvil | the debug port also has GSM serial |
| 04:49.26 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 04:49.57 | SpeedEvil | Kamping_Kaiser: look at tehg debug port pinout on the wiki |
| 04:50.02 | SpeedEvil | Kamping_Kaiser: it's got i2c/spi |
| 04:50.08 | mwester | didn't think so, from discusions with Andy and crew. |
| 04:50.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. i'll wait until i have an FR to take apart and look agin |
| 04:51.48 | SpeedEvil | But there are also solder points for some signals - I2C I think |
| 04:52.37 | SpeedEvil | the debug connector is stupid though. You won't be able to find a matching cable, unless you meke it yourself. |
| 04:52.52 | SpeedEvil | (which involves fine-pitch FPC manufacture) |
| 04:53.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | ok :\ |
| 04:57.56 | mwester | checks out the debug board schematic; it does not appear to have the GSM serial on the FPC connector (just the console, which is ttySAC2 and not the GSM on the Freerunner). |
| 04:59.05 | SpeedEvil | K, sorry. |
| 04:59.19 | SpeedEvil | I think you can flip it to GSM if you toggle something |
| 04:59.30 | SpeedEvil | but I'd need to check that - I can't ATM. |
| 05:00.04 | hil__ | moves back to #openmoko |
| 05:00.11 | hil__ | I'm trying to run openmoko under qemu. I have openmoko-devel-image but after this, when I try to do a make qemu-local, it can't find the images. Is there someplace I can tell the scripts where to find the images? i do have the images in build/tmp/deploy/glibc/.. can someone please help |
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| 05:01.42 | torindel | hil__: get to qemu top dir, and run "openmoko/qemu-auto.sh" (dont change dir) |
| 05:01.42 | torindel | yawns |
| 05:02.03 | hil__ | ok. lemme check this out. |
| 05:03.49 | hil__ | torindel: i do have to "make qemu" first, right? |
| 05:04.06 | hil__ | because without that, I don't have a qemu directory |
| 05:04.10 | torindel | yes |
| 05:04.19 | hil__ | alright. |
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| 05:06.23 | hil__ | ok. qemu-auto just started the same qtopia image.. not the image I built using openmoko-devel-image |
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| 05:06.39 | hil__ | and it's using gta01 everywhere. i have gta02 images in build/tmp .... |
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| 05:07.46 | torindel | it will use gta01 images only |
| 05:07.52 | hil__ | :O |
| 05:07.57 | torindel | as gta02 support isnt complete |
| 05:08.04 | hil__ | so... does that mean I can't use qemu with gta02 |
| 05:08.09 | torindel | (you have to use custom semi like gta02 kernels) |
| 05:08.15 | hil__ | ok. alright. |
| 05:08.30 | hil__ | so, do I just put the stuff in the SD card and boot in my device? |
| 05:08.48 | torindel | plus flash script always tryies to dl image not to use the one you build or not |
| 05:08.50 | hil__ | (i'd hate to lose my one and only Freerunner. I just got it :) |
| 05:09.23 | torindel | (check openmoko/flash.sh and download.sh or something like that in qemu root dir) |
| 05:09.28 | hil__ | hnn. i tried hacking my way in by providing it the images but of course that gave a kernel panic |
| 05:09.43 | hil__ | yeah. just seen the scripts. they all have hardcorded gta01 names |
| 05:10.02 | hil__ | thanks anyway. back to freerunner then :) |
| 05:10.38 | torindel | hil__: just backup what you got |
| 05:10.58 | torindel | you wont lose it as you always got 2 uboots (nor and nand) |
| 05:13.15 | hil__ | hnn. got it. thanks for the help |
| 05:16.58 | undrwater | hrm...ftp.us.debian.org doesn't work...but ca does |
| 05:18.27 | torindel | blame debian |
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| 05:20.30 | undrwater | i do... |
| 05:21.31 | undrwater | bizarre tho |
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| 05:56.43 | ToOOot | How stable is Debian? Call + SMS (don't care about the rest for now) |
| 05:57.10 | torindel | uses gentoo |
| 05:57.16 | undrwater | :P |
| 05:57.19 | undrwater | :D |
| 05:57.58 | ToOOot | is gentoo already working? |
| 05:58.12 | ToOOot | haven't seen reports on that |
| 05:59.09 | ToOOot | I just need a working distro with reliable call + sms functionality |
| 06:01.03 | lpotter | ude qtopia |
| 06:01.06 | lpotter | use |
| 06:01.49 | undrwater | yep |
| 06:02.23 | undrwater | lpotter: question: is web browser using existing codebase, or something new? |
| 06:02.36 | undrwater | *besides webkit |
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| 06:04.00 | ToOOot | qtopia 4.3.2 has sms problems and 4.3.3 is buggy as hell |
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| 06:05.49 | ToOOot | 4.3.3 has not been released officially yet. Still a snapshot, that's probably why it is so buggy. |
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| 06:08.28 | undrwater | all the phone stuff has a similar code base... |
| 06:08.36 | undrwater | except zhone, i think |
| 06:09.34 | undrwater | and whatever 2007 was using |
| 06:10.42 | ToOOot | besides the sms issue 4.3.2 was rock solid, so if they solve that at least you have a phone that kinda works. Never looked at zhone, will have to catch up. |
| 06:11.04 | undrwater | part of FSO |
| 06:11.10 | undrwater | it's on debian too |
| 06:11.18 | undrwater | but VERY unfiinshed |
| 06:14.08 | ToOOot | some great initiatives, but really they should take care of the basics first. |
| 06:15.21 | mpr | "they" |
| 06:16.13 | mpr | all except the official openmoko images are done on a volunteer basis, I don't think you have much say in what people should focus on when they're not getting paid |
| 06:16.39 | undrwater | mpr: don't forget qtopia ;) |
| 06:16.45 | undrwater | they get paid too |
| 06:16.58 | ToOOot | yep, your right there. I stand corrected.. |
| 06:17.20 | mpr | do they get paid for freerunner stuff? |
| 06:17.43 | mpr | or did you mean just generically "trolltech guys get paid by nokia"? |
| 06:18.00 | undrwater | the latter |
| 06:18.16 | undrwater | no idea if they get paid for FR stuff...but i'm guessing they do |
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| 06:20.33 | ToOOot | I'm sure they get paid to do that, but I don't think are getting any money from openmoko |
| 06:20.56 | undrwater | i agree |
| 06:28.22 | dbmoodb | got voip yet ? |
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| 06:36.27 | undrwater | i heard through debian some got it to work...problems with sound per usual |
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| 06:47.45 | lpotter | undrwater: it uses webkit and is just a simple example webbrowser |
| 06:48.03 | lpotter | and yes. I do neo images at work |
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| 06:49.37 | undrwater | lpotter: thanks...one other question...will any of the devel on 4.4 be going to be portable to zaurus? or is it over between qt and z? |
| 06:54.44 | dbmoodb | undrwater: i got debian but no sound recording. |
| 06:55.10 | undrwater | dbmoodb: same here... |
| 06:55.27 | undrwater | i don't have much time these days to scratch and claw |
| 06:55.44 | undrwater | babies took up the scratch and claw time :I :) |
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| 07:07.59 | Infoport | hmm I wonder why GPG isnt in the repos? |
| 07:08.21 | undrwater | pgp? |
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| 07:09.21 | Infoport | well PGP isnt really completely open, now they make restrictions about changing it. but there is an opensource equiv called GPG that is in most Linux distros |
| 07:09.33 | Dave | Goodbye, gentlemen. |
| 07:09.46 | Infoport | bye Dave! |
| 07:11.10 | undrwater | have a good one |
| 07:11.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | i love the irony of tools like GPG being "open source" and in "linux distros" |
| 07:11.47 | undrwater | Kamping_Kaiser: explain the irony? |
| 07:12.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | undrwater, the first G stands for GNU |
| 07:12.55 | rwhitby | Infoport: the reason is because no-one has added it to task-openmoko-feed yet |
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| 07:13.53 | harnir | hello |
| 07:14.56 | undrwater | Kamping_Kaiser: now i get it...but it still follows that kind of recursive language that linux loves anyway |
| 07:15.56 | undrwater | harnir: evening...or whatever ;) |
| 07:16.03 | rwhitby | actually, the recursive gnu acronyms predate linux |
| 07:16.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | undrwater, hm? |
| 07:16.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, oh, i see what he was saying *g* |
| 07:17.07 | harnir | undrwater: morning, it's 9am here :-) |
| 07:17.12 | undrwater | gnu is not unix |
| 07:18.03 | undrwater | rwhitby: i figured that...but linux has kept it up |
| 07:18.14 | undrwater | ugh...still not what i meant to say ;) |
| 07:18.22 | undrwater | anyway...it's all good |
| 07:18.26 | rwhitby | gnu started in 1984, linux started in 1991 |
| 07:18.59 | undrwater | rwhitby: yeah...i was aware of the history...but my brain isn't making good connections |
| 07:19.07 | Infoport | Kamping_Kaiser I'm still not sure I see how it is ironic, still seems very open to me. PGP used to be nicer, but now they tell you not to distribute outside of the country (like "bad people" couldnt get it) and not to change stuff they have put in it. I still wish the PGP phone program was ported |
| 07:19.07 | rwhitby | wonders how many non-GNU (or non-GPL even) programs in Linux there really are. |
| 07:19.18 | rwhitby | (programs that have recursive acronyms that is) |
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| 07:19.54 | rwhitby | my impression is that it's very much a GNU and GPL think, not a Linux thing. |
| 07:20.02 | rwhitby | s/think/thing/ |
| 07:20.05 | undrwater | you could be right |
| 07:20.27 | rwhitby | and we all know the tension between GNU and Linux :-) |
| 07:20.27 | Infoport | rwhitby how do things get into task-openmoko-feed? |
| 07:20.37 | rwhitby | Infoport: someone with OE commit rights commits a change |
| 07:20.41 | undrwater | i get the history every time i visit my father ;) |
| 07:21.26 | undrwater | Kamping_Kaiser: linux is "bad people"...un-american, you know |
| 07:21.38 | undrwater | terrorist OS |
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| 07:22.40 | rwhitby | Infoport: gnupg is in task-openmoko-feed already (http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/armv4t/gnupg_1.4.2.2-r2_armv4t.ipk) |
| 07:23.13 | rwhitby | undrwater: guess being un-american only really concerns those that are american :-) |
| 07:23.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | unamerican works for me |
| 07:24.04 | rwhitby | no if you said it was unaustralian, then there'd be a problem :-) |
| 07:24.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'd be stuffed *g* |
| 07:25.02 | undrwater | linux kills babies? |
| 07:25.08 | undrwater | kicks dogs |
| 07:25.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | undrwater, tbh, i'm not sure how much more american it could be, but thats a topic for a different channel |
| 07:25.27 | undrwater | Kamping_Kaiser: indeed... |
| 07:25.29 | Infoport | hehehe the American restrictions on encryption etc are just stupid-- like terrorists couldnt find guns unless you keep copies of TM-210 (tech manual on improvised munitions) off the internet |
| 07:25.37 | rwhitby | quite american for a finnish invention ;-) |
| 07:25.55 | dbmoodb | rwhitby: not australian. un-australian is what todaytorubbish calls things |
| 07:26.16 | dbmoodb | no one uses it so please kill the phrase by not using it :) |
| 07:26.28 | dbmoodb | (completly) |
| 07:26.35 | rwhitby | dbmoodb: I was quoting from "The Castle", not TTN :- |
| 07:26.41 | dbmoodb | OH. |
| 07:26.48 | dbmoodb | -- very different. |
| 07:27.06 | dbmoodb | "fair " ? |
| 07:27.24 | rwhitby | tell em they're dreaming |
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| 07:28.39 | Infoport | KEnYoung are you counting stars by candlelight this evening? |
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| 07:35.53 | Infoport | anybody found a good use for Synergy? I have played with it before between laptop and desktop, and it was cool but didnt find a good use for it |
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| 07:39.15 | harnir | Infoport: writing on the phone from your regular keyboard |
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| 07:41.28 | Infoport | harnir I guess that is a benefit when it is hard to connect a keyboard directly (ugg. cant find usb adapters locally, all keyboards have large plugs) |
| 07:41.50 | harnir | Infoport: yes, I have the same problem here :-) |
| 07:42.32 | harnir | anc usb entry-entry cables are almost impossible to find, or even inexistent |
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| 07:46.47 | me | hi all |
| 07:47.02 | me | news about om 2008.9? |
| 07:47.47 | AntonTakk | crashed for me, otherwise it seemed fine |
| 07:48.15 | me | but... it has been relased? oO |
| 07:48.48 | Infoport | harnir, Cyberguys.com has female-female USB A connectors and some other USB adapters. That's my last choice, if another solution doesnt come up (like the Duraflex keyboards with mini-B, commissioned for Oxford Archeology) |
| 07:48.55 | AntonTakk | assuming it is what is on downloads as 2008.8-update? |
| 07:49.24 | Infoport | harnir with a female-female USB gender changer, other adapters get you there |
| 07:50.38 | undrwater | has anyone tried the iRiver cable? |
| 07:50.38 | Infoport | harnir actually, the basic "camera-cable" plus the F/F adapter would make a regular USB keyboard hook up |
| 07:52.06 | Infoport | undrwater how is the iRiver cable configured? |
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| 07:55.37 | undrwater | Infoport: it's designed as a host cable...we used it for zaurus host cable |
| 07:55.45 | undrwater | can't find mine... |
| 07:55.52 | undrwater | otherwise i'd test it |
| 07:55.56 | undrwater | but it's $5 |
| 07:58.40 | Infoport | undrwater maybe I'm looking at the wrong ones...does it look like the std "camera-cables" or does it have a different connector? |
| 07:59.44 | me | trovato l'errore |
| 07:59.46 | me | senza loggarmi |
| 07:59.49 | undrwater | do you have a link? |
| 08:00.04 | me | (sorry ) |
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| 08:00.42 | Infoport | like this, or does it have a female-A end? http://www.pccables.com/cgi-bin/orders6.cgi?action=Showitem&partno=70566&rsite=f.70566 |
| 08:01.10 | undrwater | yes...female end |
| 08:01.22 | undrwater | finding a link for you |
| 08:02.18 | harnir | Infoport: yes. I even want to try and plug the Ethernet USB card, so I can work on cable networks on my job |
| 08:03.43 | Infoport | finding a few articles on the iRiver and USB-on-the-Go...skimming... |
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| 08:09.50 | undrwater | finding it hard to find now... |
| 08:10.04 | Infoport | here seems to be a reseller, although I'm going to look for somewhere that also has the F/F USB adapter |
| 08:10.09 | Infoport | https://serialio.com//store/product_info.php?products_id=141&osCsid=1cdd2e5630eed06c182de18220188139 |
| 08:12.20 | undrwater | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.46 | swc|666 | fyi - the 5v usb power switch likes to _break_ |
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| 08:14.36 | Infoport | oh wait, this was the cable (was on "related" items) https://serialio.com//store/product_info.php?products_id=456&osCsid=1cdd2e5630eed06c182de18220188139 |
| 08:15.27 | undrwater | that looks like your cable ;) |
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| 08:24.27 | Infoport | are USB to RS-232 adapters usually $20, or can good ones be found more cheaply? |
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| 08:31.47 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4632 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/ (scpinet/ usbtmc/): |
| 08:31.47 | CIA-22 | openmoko: These programs are obsolete. All their code has been merged already a long |
| 08:31.47 | CIA-22 | openmoko: time ago into tmc and is maintained there. |
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| 08:38.16 | Infoport | I guess I'll order from Tech World (twstore.com), since they have a USBTOGO cable and a USB adapter A/F-toA/F |
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| 08:48.35 | NineX | Ave! |
| 08:49.16 | Infoport | hmm... here is another small adapter for USB A/F to miniB/M host mode. says for "specialty host mode applications" but also says works with Nokia N800 |
| 08:49.19 | Infoport | http://store.yahoo.com/twstore/gcusbhost.html |
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| 09:21.27 | Weiss | yay - apart from occasionally not waking up from standby, GTA02+OM2008.8-update seems to be better as an everyday phone for me than my old brick |
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| 09:23.12 | dbmoodb | Weiss: what ? btw i have a question. can / is the idea to suspend any have the gsm module wake the phone up ... if so how is this done. is the gsm component turned on on suspend or ? |
| 09:24.27 | Weiss | dbmoodb: yes, if it works properly the phone will wake up on a call or text. i don't know the details of how it works - it involves magic with interrupts and kernel stuff afaik |
| 09:25.55 | dbmoodb | Weiss: tryed it ? |
| 09:26.24 | Weiss | dbmoodb: yep, wake on calls and texts appears to work for me |
| 09:26.35 | dbmoodb | in 2008 |
| 09:26.49 | dbmoodb | ?.... |
| 09:26.59 | Weiss | yep, 20080904 rootfs to be precise |
| 09:27.33 | dbmoodb | mmm i will link it up then they really should provide a terminal in 20-08.8 |
| 09:28.15 | dbmoodb | Weiss: so battery life must own |
| 09:28.54 | Weiss | better than my old phone so far :) further testing is necessary though... |
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| 09:33.52 | dbmoodb | mmm interesting. |
| 09:34.08 | Weiss | do you have one? |
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| 09:42.38 | [Rui] | hi, qtopia is not launching (no pin is asked, no qtopia app is launched) |
| 09:42.57 | [Rui] | I installed the image drom 2008.9.1 and 2008.9.4 and both have this problem |
| 09:43.13 | [Rui] | the only thing I installed after flashing, was the illume packages for the keyboard |
| 09:43.18 | [Rui] | so it MAY be related... |
| 09:44.07 | [Rui] | and I have a nice X screensaver :D |
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| 09:52.10 | ToOOot | [Rui]: I've had similar problems with the latest qtopia 4.3.3-snapshot. In my case the pin screen appeared for a very short while and then .. gone. |
| 09:52.28 | thomasgruebler | hello. |
| 09:53.09 | tomboy64 | does somebody know how intense the gps-signal must be to get a ff? |
| 09:53.09 | thomasgruebler | i use gestures to change screen orientation with accelerometers. but my touchscreen doesn't work correctly with rotated screen |
| 09:53.14 | thomasgruebler | its this problem: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td677542 |
| 09:53.32 | tomboy64 | cause i have 8 satellites at just over -150dB |
| 09:53.41 | thomasgruebler | i have the om 2008.8 distro |
| 09:53.43 | tomboy64 | dBm |
| 09:53.44 | thomasgruebler | with updates |
| 09:53.54 | tomboy64 | but i get failed ^^ |
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| 10:04.20 | [Rui] | ToOOot: I'm not using qtopia |
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| 10:13.47 | [Rui] | ah... I think I found out what happened |
| 10:14.06 | [Rui] | it's no software installation, 89qtopia was chmod'ed 0644 and shoud be executable |
| 10:16.57 | tomboy64 | meh |
| 10:17.04 | tomboy64 | how do i get a keyboard in xterm? |
| 10:17.42 | [Rui] | tomboy64: you mean a proper keyboard? |
| 10:17.53 | dbmoodb | pinghow many damn module updates are there for the 2008.8 release ? |
| 10:18.04 | tomboy64 | i have raster's keyboard activated and the qtopia one disabled |
| 10:18.09 | tomboy64 | in om 08.08 |
| 10:18.29 | tomboy64 | but i installed xterm now instead of the ugly om term |
| 10:18.32 | [Rui] | tomboy64: if so, then you just tap the terminal area and the keyboard shows up |
| 10:18.44 | [Rui] | tomboy64: ah, then there's your problem :) |
| 10:18.57 | tomboy64 | huh? |
| 10:19.09 | tomboy64 | raster's keyboard doesn't show then? |
| 10:19.14 | tomboy64 | meh |
| 10:19.34 | [Rui] | tomboy64: xterm doesn't use the APIs that call for a keyboard |
| 10:19.43 | [Rui] | tomboy64: quite naturally |
| 10:19.45 | tomboy64 | mhmm |
| 10:19.47 | tomboy64 | yeah |
| 10:19.57 | dbmoodb | oh btw is is safe to update 2008.8 to latest updates ? |
| 10:20.15 | tomboy64 | dbmoodb: apart from phonecalls not working, it's quite fine for me |
| 10:20.23 | dbmoodb | tomboy64: ? |
| 10:20.35 | dbmoodb | really.... phone calls don't work... |
| 10:20.40 | tomboy64 | :-D |
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| 10:20.47 | dbmoodb | joke ? |
| 10:20.57 | tomboy64 | well, i can call ... i just can't talk. |
| 10:21.05 | dbmoodb | rofl ? volume problems |
| 10:21.08 | tomboy64 | might be my provider though |
| 10:21.15 | tomboy64 | yeah, should dive into that later |
| 10:21.33 | tomboy64 | for now i'm busy with ui and gps |
| 10:21.48 | dbmoodb | tomboy64: i take it , you could phone before? |
| 10:22.05 | tomboy64 | only got it last week, haven't had time to tinker around much |
| 10:22.18 | tomboy64 | so, no, i couldn't |
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| 10:35.12 | me | Hi all |
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| 10:37.28 | hipitihop | anyone know of a package like bsdgames (Ubuntu) which has some of tha classic old text games ? |
| 10:40.06 | bumbl | nethack on the freerunner |
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| 10:42.06 | nomeata | hipitihop: bsdgames (http://packages.debian.org/sid/bsdgames) (SCNR) |
| 10:43.39 | hipitihop | nomeata, that's the stuff, can I install this on 2008.8 ? |
| 10:44.03 | nomeata | hipitihop: no, but on Debian. (I know, I’m not helpful) |
| 10:44.08 | hipitihop | will opkg install a .deb package ? |
| 10:44.46 | lindi- | hipitihop: you can install debian chroot easily |
| 10:44.59 | hipitihop | nomeata, what would I need to be able to build my own from source ? |
| 10:45.36 | lindi- | nomeata: btw, i've been thinking that i might want to have one main debian installation with only the minimal stuff and then one chroot for experimenting with things (installing X software usually will fetch quite large dependencies) |
| 10:45.48 | lindi- | hipitihop: apt-get --build source bsdgames on a debian system? |
| 10:46.05 | hipitihop | woul dI have to build/compile on the neo or is it better to setup some environment on my Ubuntu box to build such packages |
| 10:46.24 | hipitihop | lindi-, I'm running 2008.8-updated no debian |
| 10:46.39 | lindi- | hipitihop: well get a chroot |
| 10:47.07 | hipitihop | lindi-, sorry I'm not sure what that means. I once used chroot to recover a system |
| 10:47.09 | nomeata | lindi-: I’m fine with building it in qemubuilder, but so far I only build the small packages that are in the pkg-fso repository |
| 10:47.53 | nomeata | hipitihop: you can also try to force http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/bsdgames/download on your system, opkg, or with ar and tar. |
| 10:47.57 | nomeata | → lunch |
| 10:48.14 | lindi- | hipitihop: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian#Chroot_installation |
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| 10:51.18 | hipitihop | lindi-, interesting thanks, however I think I'm happy to setup whatever environment is required for me to generate proper packages. Is that what neometa is talking about (qemubuilder) ? |
| 10:52.52 | lindi- | hipitihop: qemubuilder is for debian packages |
| 10:52.58 | hipitihop | aah |
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| 10:53.47 | hipitihop | so what environments do people use to build the ipk files used by distros like 2008.8 ? |
| 10:53.58 | lindi- | hipitihop: i have not been able to build 2008.8 |
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| 11:17.16 | tuXXX | tslib prints "Unknown event type 0", maybe someone knows why? |
| 11:18.21 | dbmoodb | hi ah is pulseaudio installed by default on 2008.8 now ? |
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| 11:18.44 | dbmoodb | and what is the terminal called for 2008.8 |
| 11:19.24 | harnir | openmoko-terminal2? |
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| 11:24.58 | Weiss | dbmoodb: i've been using xterm, having enabled the manual keyboard button |
| 11:31.35 | tomboy64 | is there a way i can replace the aux-button with "popup raster's keyboard" instead of lock in om2008.8? |
| 11:31.50 | tomboy64 | cause as it is right now, it's useless |
| 11:32.06 | tomboy64 | can't even use it for input in xterm/browser |
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| 11:34.28 | lindi- | tuXXX: what version of tslib? |
| 11:34.36 | tuXXX | official 1.0 |
| 11:34.43 | tuXXX | should I try cvs? |
| 11:36.47 | lindi- | tuXXX: #define EV_SYN 0x00 |
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| 11:38.33 | lindi- | tuXXX: what's the value of i->using_syn in the end of check_fd? |
| 11:39.06 | tuXXX | well, I don't know, how may I find that? |
| 11:39.17 | lindi- | tuXXX: are you familiar with gdb? |
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| 11:39.45 | tuXXX | yes I know how it works |
| 11:40.12 | lindi- | tuXXX: then just set breakpoint and print value of that expression? |
| 11:40.27 | tuXXX | yes, I just have to install it |
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| 11:40.59 | lindi- | how else would you do development on the phone anyway? ;) |
| 11:41.41 | tuXXX | It's booting only since yesterday evening ^^ |
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| 11:45.44 | Bighead | Hy!! i try to run openmoko 2008.8 and qtopia from microsd. The kernel boots correctly but i have a kernel panic (no init found). Any suggestion, please |
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| 11:52.09 | enrico | I've just flashed with today's stable ASU, but opkg update fails: Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.sig, error 404 |
| 11:52.31 | enrico | that, also for all, armv4t, neo1973 and om-gta02. Indeed those files aren't there |
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| 11:53.54 | enrico | Am I the only one seeing this? It seems to be a rather obvious glitch |
| 11:54.06 | sylar91 | hi, I want to install as second os openmoko 2008.8 or debian. which is the faster? I want to play games with it and to install funny apps :D |
| 11:54.47 | lindi- | sylar91: faster? |
| 11:55.07 | sylar91 | yes, which is the faster? debian or om 2008? |
| 11:55.13 | tuXXX | faster? |
| 11:55.20 | sylar91 | :A |
| 11:55.23 | sylar91 | *:S |
| 11:55.39 | tuXXX | please define "faster" |
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| 11:56.05 | sylar91 | better to play games :D |
| 11:56.56 | tuXXX | it's more or less the same |
| 11:57.09 | sylar91 | also fso?à|
| 11:57.12 | sylar91 | *? |
| 11:58.34 | lindi- | sylar91: huh? why would distro have anything to do with application performance? |
| 11:59.17 | sylar91 | om 2008.8 is relly too slow.. for example |
| 11:59.46 | lindi- | sylar91: how do you measure it? |
| 12:00.15 | sylar91 | it takes 8 seconds to load an apps |
| 12:00.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r29 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: MokoMakefile: Align build with latest configuration for openmoko-base-image published by Julian Chu. Unfortunately, it's not buildable. |
| 12:00.25 | sylar91 | on qtopia it takes 2 seconds, or less |
| 12:00.30 | lindi- | an app? |
| 12:01.13 | rwhitby | sylar91: fso will be fastest, since it has the least stuff running |
| 12:01.15 | sylar91 | yes, an application |
| 12:02.14 | lindi- | sylar91: even /bin/ls takes 8 seconds? |
| 12:02.17 | rwhitby | debian will be next fastest, then 2007.2, then 2008.8 would be slowest. None of that is measured, just my guess based on how much overhead is inherent in each distro. |
| 12:02.59 | sylar91 | lindi-: obviously no... but to start the dialer, sms, terminal, it takes a long |
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| 12:03.18 | tuXXX | sylar91: this is only loading time, not performance |
| 12:03.31 | sylar91 | yes, but the loading time is too long |
| 12:04.01 | tuXXX | since Qtopia doesn't use X, and Qt is already loaded, it's fast |
| 12:04.13 | tuXXX | sometimes it's even possible to run apps as plugins |
| 12:04.13 | vililikku | does the neo 1973's gps work in the FSO distribution? |
| 12:04.25 | rwhitby | vililikku: yes |
| 12:04.29 | vililikku | okey good |
| 12:04.41 | vililikku | i hope that milestone 3 will be out soon |
| 12:05.06 | lindi- | rwhitby: doesn't FSO run matchbox-panel? |
| 12:05.10 | rwhitby | you need to install gllin, and then there is an nmea parser which I made work |
| 12:05.24 | rwhitby | lindi-: I don't think so. |
| 12:05.35 | lindi- | rwhitby: at least something to switch between apps? |
| 12:05.46 | rwhitby | it's runs raster's window manager |
| 12:05.46 | lindi- | is that matchbox-launcher then? |
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| 12:06.46 | rwhitby | lindi-: why do you think fso runs any matchbox stuff? |
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| 12:07.56 | lindi- | doesn't seem to |
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| 12:09.05 | tuXXX | lindi-: i->using_syn is always 0 |
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| 12:09.29 | rwhitby | lindi-: I believe it runs illume, with the freesmartphone theme |
| 12:09.31 | lindi- | tuXXX: interesting |
| 12:10.08 | tuXXX | and "bit" is 0 |
| 12:10.59 | rwhitby | lindi-: http://pastebin.ca/1196352 is output of ps -ef on gta01 running fso-testing |
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| 12:15.00 | lindi- | rwhitby: lots of processes :) |
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| 12:15.57 | lindi- | "by default" debian runs much less |
| 12:18.25 | rwhitby | half of them are because of gllin unfortunately :-) |
| 12:19.11 | Blastur | debian runs on openmoko now? |
| 12:19.20 | rwhitby | but your point is a good one - debian with a lightweight window manager will probably be faster than fso |
| 12:19.59 | rwhitby | Blastur: yep |
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| 12:20.33 | lindi- | Blastur: sure |
| 12:21.15 | Blastur | also, what is the batterytime of freerunner nowadays? |
| 12:21.49 | Blastur | (standby batterytime) |
| 12:21.55 | Blastur | also, talktime if its known |
| 12:22.30 | rwhitby | depends which of the fifty different distros you are running |
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| 12:24.48 | Blastur | well, the most common one then |
| 12:24.56 | Blastur | or the worst and the best |
| 12:25.03 | Blastur | or an average |
| 12:25.08 | Blastur | or whatever is available :) |
| 12:27.17 | tuXXX | lindi-: I removed the test about "bit" and forced using_syn to 1, and now it's working perfectly |
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| 12:34.19 | faltantornillos | hello there. Do you know if there's any decent feed reader?, please. cause the openmoko-feedreader2 won't let me add, delete or modify the feeds |
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| 12:37.10 | fredrin | is it the same people that make the ASU and FSO distros? |
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| 12:44.17 | ToOOot | Blastur: qtopia 4.3.2 has a very decent batterytime. With bluetooth off, 2 days was possible. Only problem is some sms messages didn't come through |
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| 12:46.18 | ToOOot | 4.3.3 is not ready for prime time yet. Too buggy, but I expect (hope) that one will become the first image that will make FR a usable phone. |
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| 12:55.12 | malik1972 | ToOOot: to buggy? details ... |
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| 13:01.10 | fredrin | is FSO MS3 out now? |
| 13:01.46 | malik1972 | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/ |
| 13:02.25 | fredrin | mmmkay, no ms3 yet |
| 13:03.04 | ToOOot | malik1972: 1. incoming phone call volume too low 2. PIN screen on start up disappeared 3. worse batterytime, unreliable resume |
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| 13:03.27 | lindi- | malik1972: just sounds silly that you have to download completely new flash image just to get some phone software :/ |
| 13:04.16 | tomboy64 | mhmm |
| 13:04.35 | tomboy64 | where can i tell my freerunner to accept ssh-connections from wifi? |
| 13:04.45 | tomboy64 | preferrably from a certain ip? |
| 13:04.57 | lindi- | tomboy64: just configure ssh server? |
| 13:05.14 | lindi- | tomboy64: should be the same as on your desktop? |
| 13:05.31 | malik1972 | ToOOot: 1 is true, you can change the gsmhandset.state file for that issue |
| 13:05.52 | tomboy64 | lindi-: nope. i use ssh on my desktop; freerunner sports dropbear. |
| 13:06.25 | ToOOot | I know there is a workaround, but because of the other issues I didn't care for this image. |
| 13:06.39 | malik1972 | ToOOot: 2. i dont have that issue .. 3. 2-3 days for me, resume is okay |
| 13:07.21 | lindi- | tomboy64: you can install openssh to your freerunner too |
| 13:07.50 | malik1972 | lindi-: i backuped my home dir and some personal mods and did a reflash, its better than getting everything messed by opkg upgrade, for instance installing kernel in the nand without asking ... |
| 13:08.12 | tomboy64 | lindi-: what do i want with a full-featured ssh bloat? :-D |
| 13:08.36 | lindi- | malik1972: still, as a concept it's very weird. imagine doing that on your desktop machine |
| 13:08.52 | lindi- | tomboy64: configurability. |
| 13:09.12 | malik1972 | lindi-: i am doing that for release changes on my desktop:-) |
| 13:09.41 | malik1972 | lindi-: lpotter wanted to deliver an update script or something like that |
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| 13:10.14 | lindi- | package manager is there for that :) |
| 13:10.14 | ToOOot | malik1972: Didn't come to life for me with the power button. Only after a call it came to life again, but the battery was almost empty after 12 hours |
| 13:10.30 | tomboy64 | well, i doubt dropbear is that unconfigurable |
| 13:10.39 | malik1972 | lindi-: and you can also do opkg upgrade for kernel + mods |
| 13:10.49 | lindi- | tomboy64: but you are too much in a hurry to read the manual so openssh works better? ;) |
| 13:11.00 | tomboy64 | i can't find a manual :-S |
| 13:11.03 | tomboy64 | that's my problem |
| 13:11.17 | malik1972 | ToOOot: honestly i am happy with it as the alternatives are missing |
| 13:11.32 | lindi- | tomboy64: "man dropbear" says "-p [address:]port" |
| 13:12.09 | malik1972 | ToOOot: i tested suspend/resume with sms/telephony and its the only distribution where it works |
| 13:12.18 | tomboy64 | heh |
| 13:12.19 | tomboy64 | ok |
| 13:12.49 | ToOOot | malik1972: I'm glad you're happy with it :) I think I will wait for the official 4.3.3 Right now I'm using my old phone again. |
| 13:14.21 | malik1972 | ToOOot: okay, now i understand you better, you compare it with the existing phones ... |
| 13:15.11 | ToOOot | No, I compared it with 4.3.2. That worked better for me. Only issue was sms messages missing. |
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| 13:16.53 | ToOOot | 4.3.3 snapshot would take care of the sms bug, but it just gave more problems. |
| 13:17.29 | ToOOot | how long does your battery last with 4.3.3? |
| 13:19.31 | malik1972 | ToOOot: i had problems in the beginning with the battery, you are right, but now they are gone |
| 13:20.02 | malik1972 | ToOOot: i did an opkg upgrade with the om download feeds |
| 13:21.47 | malik1972 | ToOOot: in the beginning i was also disappointed, for instance with the sound quality |
| 13:24.36 | ToOOot | malik1972: Ok, that sounds good. I'm pretty sure the final 4.3.3 release will have the basic phone functionallity on board. I'm not in a hurry, my old phone still does the job. |
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| 13:57.20 | emacsen | Is it possible to install Debian on the SD card on a working linux box, then install onto Freerunner? |
| 13:57.40 | harnir | if you have SD card reader, than most probably |
| 13:58.03 | emacsen | harnir, sorry, let me clarify "Are there instructions to" |
| 13:58.23 | harnir | just untar the archive with the rootfs :-) |
| 13:58.43 | harnir | and put uImage.bin on the first partition formatted as vfat |
| 13:58.45 | emacsen | looks for where the rootfs tarball is |
| 13:59.13 | harnir | emacsen: there's a script on the OM wiki to install Debian |
| 13:59.26 | harnir | emacsen: but I'm not sure if it will work out of the box on the desktop |
| 13:59.31 | emacsen | Harnir, ok, I'll look more closely |
| 13:59.37 | emacsen | no, I don't want it on the desktop |
| 13:59.46 | emacsen | I just don't want to get networking on the Freerunner working |
| 14:00.37 | emacsen | also, any clue as to how big the deb image is? |
| 14:00.54 | emacsen | Can I use the 512mb SD card or do I need to get a larger sd card (1/2gb) |
| 14:01.23 | harnir | I can do with 512 and base installe |
| 14:01.28 | ab0oo | I'm using 647M on my deb install. |
| 14:01.28 | harnir | ie, X, zhone, etc. |
| 14:01.42 | ab0oo | but it CAN be done on the 512MB card |
| 14:01.48 | ab0oo | I have all kinds of extra stuff on there |
| 14:01.49 | emacsen | ab0oo, ouch, so I need a larger one, esp if I want to install some extra apps |
| 14:01.49 | harnir | but if you will want more, you need bigger card |
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| 14:02.33 | ab0oo | I have XFCE, and some GTK libs, and python devel libs, and lord knows what else. |
| 14:03.10 | emacsen | I'm looking at some of the networking guis |
| 14:03.17 | emacsen | maybe something for GPS too |
| 14:03.20 | ab0oo | there are none. that I can find. |
| 14:03.28 | emacsen | ab0oo, there are some mentioned on the wiki |
| 14:03.35 | emacsen | they're all built on the python frameworks |
| 14:03.41 | emacsen | and all a bit... immature |
| 14:03.42 | ab0oo | i was hanging around, hoping to catch mickey to talk about dbus, hal, and network manager |
| 14:03.50 | emacsen | ab0oo, what about it? |
| 14:04.02 | ab0oo | I'd be willing to do the work, but I can't seem to get dbus to talk to NM |
| 14:04.47 | ab0oo | but I'm walking all kinds of new territory: I've never mucked with DBus, nor HAL, nor Python. :) |
| 14:05.20 | emacsen | None of them!? |
| 14:05.44 | emacsen | well the Python bit is pretty easy if you've used any normal programming language |
| 14:06.00 | ab0oo | I'm not a total n00b. Just not used any of those specific technologies. |
| 14:06.00 | emacsen | DBus is a bit odd, I'm still learning it |
| 14:06.09 | emacsen | Dunno anything about Hal |
| 14:06.17 | emacsen | what languages do you know? |
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| 14:06.42 | ab0oo | from my point of view, DBus just a message broker, which I'm VERY familiar with (I pay the house payment as a java programmer) |
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| 14:07.04 | ab0oo | and python... well, it looks like someone crashed a Perl truck into a Java truck. :) |
| 14:07.15 | emacsen | Ah, so Java.... Have you read the Python for Java people? |
| 14:07.24 | emacsen | it will help you avoid a lot of mistakes Java people make in Python |
| 14:07.33 | ab0oo | I bought my 12 year old "Python for Dummies", and she can code some interesting stuff already. |
| 14:08.20 | emacsen | yes, thankfully Python's replaced the old "learn BASIC first" |
| 14:08.38 | ab0oo | I just found "Python for Java People." I'll go absorb that. |
| 14:08.39 | emacsen | with Python you have fewer bad habitis to unlearn :) |
| 14:08.56 | emacsen | http://dirtsimple.org/2004/12/python-is-not-java.html |
| 14:08.57 | emacsen | that one? |
| 14:09.18 | ab0oo | but mdbus gacks when it hits "mdbus -s org.freedesktop.NetworkManager" |
| 14:09.36 | ab0oo | nope, this one: http://www.cs.wlu.edu/~necaise/python/ |
| 14:09.42 | ab0oo | but now I have two to read. :) |
| 14:10.49 | emacsen | there's one other thing Java people need to get out of the habit of doing |
| 14:10.50 | lindi- | emacsen: yes |
| 14:11.01 | lindi- | emacsen: to < emacsen> Is it possible to install Debian on the SD card on a working linux box, then install onto Freerunner? |
| 14:11.04 | emacsen | I've seen Java people code Python, ,they act like it's Java- ie write, run, test |
| 14:11.35 | emacsen | better to play in the command line (what in Lisp we'd call the REPL, no idea what Pythonistas call it) and then cut and paste your code |
| 14:12.00 | lindi- | emacsen: if only python had multiline readline |
| 14:12.10 | emacsen | lindi, it does |
| 14:12.23 | lindi- | really? |
| 14:12.34 | ab0oo | I'm hoping my Perl roots will save me from making dumb java mistakes |
| 14:12.46 | emacsen | well, sort of. You can use the normal python idioms of multiline with parens and backslashes |
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| 14:13.08 | emacsen | lindi, also people miss out by not using ipython for development |
| 14:14.19 | emacsen | the python envrionment isn't as good as slime or whatever the smalltalk people used back in the day, but it beats the heck out of the write/compile/run/test methods |
| 14:14.50 | lindi- | emacsen: speaking of slime, i still haven't figured out how to debug maxima with slime |
| 14:14.55 | emacsen | ab0oo, Perl is one of the few languages I just don't like to touch |
| 14:15.15 | emacsen | lindi- I don't know Maxima. I'm sorry |
| 14:15.34 | emacsen | Python, Ruby, Lisp. I hear C# is nice too |
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| 14:16.15 | lindi- | emacsen: the thing is, you can debug any C application with gdb without having to know anything special about it. i think with maxima the problem is that i don't understand its buildsystem so that i could have it generate debugging information |
| 14:17.18 | emacsen | I'm confused what that has to do with slime then |
| 14:17.31 | emacsen | if it's a C application |
| 14:17.33 | lindi- | emacsen: http://iki.fi/lindi/clisp/README has a minimal testcase that shows the problem (it does not involve maxima in any way) |
| 14:17.38 | lindi- | emacsen: it's not |
| 14:17.55 | emacsen | oh it's CL |
| 14:18.03 | emacsen | or something CLish |
| 14:18.56 | emacsen | anyway, going to shower then get an SD card for my phone |
| 14:19.06 | emacsen | we'll see if I have time to install it |
| 14:19.12 | lindi- | emacsen: common lisp yes |
| 14:19.31 | lindi- | emacsen: isn't slime for common lisp? |
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| 14:25.43 | CVirus | Sean is hiring OpenGL devs |
| 14:25.45 | CVirus | wtf |
| 14:25.56 | tomboy64|dumb | :-D |
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| 14:27.00 | Mononoke | http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmahut/2831197154/in/pool-fudconbrno/ -,- |
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| 14:30.22 | harnir | Mononoke: FreeRunner has becomed the ultimate geek device, no wonder it can be seen on many *cons these days :-) |
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| 14:32.04 | harnir | "Hey, what do you have, an iPhone? It's so 2007..." ;-) |
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| 14:43.38 | fredrin | harnir: it's not iPhone, but gayPhone :) *political uncorrect humor* |
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| 14:44.01 | CVirus | lol |
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| 14:51.54 | jucs | *gg* |
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| 14:52.54 | sirkha_top | so, i have been working on a proper looking modules diagram for illume, here is the illume desktop with the flame and snow modules enabled http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add |
| 14:53.18 | sirkha_top | s/diagram/dialog |
| 14:53.31 | pabs3 | um, bad link sirkha_top |
| 14:53.38 | sirkha_top | oops |
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| 14:54.11 | sirkha_top | http://imagebin.org/25909 |
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| 14:56.15 | sirkha_top | http://imagebin.org/25910 the actual dialog |
| 14:56.55 | CVirus | interesting |
| 14:57.28 | pabs3 | imagines bling would not be good for battery life |
| 14:57.55 | sirkha_top | it won't work in xepher, no composting, or something |
| 14:57.57 | CVirus | it's good for showing off |
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| 14:58.47 | harnir | how about a little darker wallpaper, so I can actually see something on the screen in illume? :-) |
| 14:59.22 | sirkha_top | and aparently penguins are fireproof, heh |
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| 15:02.35 | pabs3 | CVirus: that opengl post is probably related to GTA04? |
| 15:02.51 | CVirus | who gives a flying fudge ... we want reliable suspend/resume first |
| 15:03.12 | CVirus | he could have hired more C devs to work on the kernel for fuck's sake |
| 15:03.22 | harnir | pabs3: link? |
| 15:03.39 | CVirus | mailing lis |
| 15:03.40 | CVirus | list* |
| 15:03.47 | pabs3 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA04_revisions http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-September/029718.html |
| 15:04.03 | CVirus | this is retarded |
| 15:05.18 | bumbl | CVirus: I want good glamo drivers |
| 15:05.31 | CVirus | that too |
| 15:05.31 | bumbl | suspend and resume works on some images pretty good |
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| 15:06.06 | CVirus | bumbl: people are getting wsod owing the retarded glamo |
| 15:06.39 | CVirus | to the* |
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| 15:07.33 | bumbl | wsod ?= world series of dart/white screen of death |
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| 15:09.19 | CVirus | hehe |
| 15:09.46 | CVirus | bumbl: how come some images are not getting wsod ? |
| 15:09.55 | CVirus | it's a kernel related issue as far as i understand |
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| 15:10.03 | CVirus | and most of the images use the same kernel if not all of them |
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| 15:11.19 | Wonka | i want GPRS and non-overwritten big microsd and working suspend/resume before 3D stuff |
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| 15:17.53 | bumbl | CVirus: i never got a white screen of death (I only get a white screen between shutting the freerunner down and booting it up again while rebooting) |
| 15:18.03 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.11 | bumbl | Wonka: gprs works |
| 15:18.15 | bumbl | afaik |
| 15:18.37 | Wonka | bumbl: ok, rephrase: i want my SIM to work |
| 15:18.42 | bumbl | ah |
| 15:19.17 | bumbl | yeah and I want 8gb µsd without fdisking every now and then too |
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| 15:22.52 | Wonka | i got that 8gb card and the supplied 512mb - and 512mb is not even big enough for all the debian packages i want |
| 15:23.03 | Wonka | without any data |
| 15:23.20 | Wonka | and i have 1.6gib of maps backed up yet |
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| 15:27.44 | Tanuva | is quite happy with his 4gig one |
| 15:27.56 | bumbl | Wonka: what do you do to resolve the "freerunner deletes partition table" issue |
| 15:28.10 | bumbl | dd-ing the table |
| 15:28.25 | Wonka | no... just recreate the partition |
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| 15:28.44 | Wonka | fdisk, create partition, primary, 1st, enter enter enter |
| 15:29.11 | Wonka | fsck - and then it's either OK or mkfs, rsync. |
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| 15:30.46 | igor321 | seems like the soc for gta04 has been decided on |
| 15:30.59 | igor321 | anyone know anything about it? |
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| 15:31.25 | bumbl | Wonka: I have/need 4 partitions |
| 15:31.31 | igor321 | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-September/029718.html |
| 15:31.45 | bumbl | 1 boot, 1 debian, 1 gentoo, 1 data |
| 15:32.30 | Wonka | yeah, would need at least 2, if not 3 too |
| 15:32.38 | Wonka | boot root data |
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| 15:33.03 | lindi- | Wonka: why have separate boot partition? |
| 15:33.41 | Wonka | lindi-: to not have the kernel float around anywhere on the gigabyte-sized root fs |
| 15:34.02 | Wonka | speeds up booting |
| 15:34.07 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r74c5dd47e955 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:34.07 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add support for GSM default alphabet and use it |
| 15:34.07 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Previously we just de/encoded according to ASCII, this should fix lots of |
| 15:34.07 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: issues with special characters not being displayed properly |
| 15:34.07 | lindi- | float? |
| 15:34.15 | lindi- | Wonka: how does it speed it up? |
| 15:34.42 | Wonka | uboot does not have to look through big filesystem structures |
| 15:34.52 | Wonka | but only through a very small fs |
| 15:35.05 | bumbl | uboot does not support all fs types |
| 15:35.15 | lindi- | Wonka: but it's a tree |
| 15:35.27 | Wonka | lindi-: inode tables are not |
| 15:36.43 | Wonka | anyway, that is how the install.sh does it, i see some sense in it - why should i do anything to do it another way? |
| 15:36.45 | slaxxin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDQ-coSHPCQ |
| 15:36.49 | Zogg | Where to check how much space is left in nand? |
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| 15:37.18 | Tanuva | Zogg: df -h on a terminal |
| 15:38.09 | Zogg | ty |
| 15:38.10 | bumbl | slaxxin: is this an iphone fake? |
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| 15:39.14 | slaxxin | see how the keyboard is big enoughto use your finger |
| 15:39.31 | apollo13 | bumbl: seems more like a real product |
| 15:39.38 | slaxxin | i damn iphone is the real fake |
| 15:39.40 | apollo13 | Chinese iPhone,Meizu M8 |
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| 15:39.52 | slaxxin | iphone suck |
| 15:40.23 | lindi- | Wonka: sudo strace -o s -e read -f debugfs -R "cat /etc/issue" /dev/md0; grep -c read s indeed prints 182 reads |
| 15:40.26 | bumbl | apollo13: yeah with iphone fake i meant one of these chinese things |
| 15:40.33 | bumbl | which copy the design |
| 15:40.35 | apollo13 | oh sry |
| 15:40.39 | lindi- | Wonka: and with minimal filesystem with only /etc/issue i get 28 |
| 15:41.06 | slaxxin | i was looking for the samsung 6410 chipset |
| 15:41.12 | lindi- | but maybe debugfs does some unnecessary reading |
| 15:41.50 | lindi- | Zogg: just don't read the "Avail" column |
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| 15:49.31 | zlfita | hello, do you know why I cannot boot into NOR? |
| 15:50.02 | Tanuva | no |
| 15:50.20 | zlfita | I can boot into nand menu but not into nor |
| 15:50.21 | Tanuva | at least you need to tell us what you are doing to get there and what happens instead ;) |
| 15:50.48 | zlfita | ok, sorry |
| 15:51.00 | zlfita | I hold down AUX and then press power |
| 15:51.14 | zlfita | hold them togerther for about 10 secs |
| 15:51.17 | zlfita | nothing happens |
| 15:51.27 | Tanuva | huh... |
| 15:51.38 | Zogg | lindi-, why so? |
| 15:52.11 | Tanuva | zlfita: thats really strange. |
| 15:52.16 | zlfita | if I press aux after power, I boot into nand menu just fine |
| 15:52.20 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rbaf33288d65c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade diversity/om-locations as of Chia-I Wu's request |
| 15:53.01 | emacsen | the sd slot is hard to re-open :( |
| 15:53.29 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 15:53.30 | zlfita | can I use nand u-boot to flash kernel and rootfs? |
| 15:53.36 | mickeyl | using a stylus for that |
| 15:53.46 | zlfita | open sd slot carefully with a knife |
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| 15:54.30 | emacsen | zlfita, yeah just trying to figure out how without damaging it |
| 15:54.39 | zlfita | I don't have the debug board which means I'm kinda screwed |
| 15:54.51 | bumbl | emacsen: it is not that easy to damage it |
| 15:57.22 | lindi- | Zogg: since 5% is reserved for root |
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| 15:59.05 | zlfita | anybody? is it possible to flash kernel and rootfs via uboot from nand? |
| 15:59.16 | emacsen | there. replaced. Next time, 4gb :) |
| 15:59.31 | fredrin | tell me if I got this right with the distros. ASU is made by OpenMoko and is going to be the main distro that ships with the Neo Freerunner phones it comes with bells and whistles (that's the plan), FSO is made by OpenMoko aswell, but is more for developers that wants to make programs that will work on other smilar phones in the future. The rest of the distros, qtopia, debian, gentoo are just made by |
| 15:59.33 | fredrin | other people that likes it.... |
| 15:59.40 | emacsen | now I just need to figure out how to get USB networking working. Ubuntu seems to want to get network FROM the Neo, not the other way around |
| 16:00.22 | zlfita | emacsen: you can change the network behaviour from ubuntu gui |
| 16:00.26 | Zogg | lindi-, will keep that in mind :) |
| 16:00.38 | zlfita | trying to get network from neo, a bit stupid, i know |
| 16:00.59 | emacsen | zlfita, not necessarily always stupid... |
| 16:01.07 | emacsen | one day maybe I'll have gprs |
| 16:01.13 | fredrin | emacsen: this helped me: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others |
| 16:01.17 | emacsen | but that day, I'll have gprs -> wifi gateway :) |
| 16:01.38 | mickeyl | fredrin: pretty acurate description of the present. what's coming though is interesting ;) |
| 16:02.01 | fredrin | mickeyl: what's comming? |
| 16:02.45 | Dave | ecraven! |
| 16:03.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc4a208ae4114 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade diversity/om-locations as of Chia-I Wu's request |
| 16:03.26 | Dave | haha, chinamen |
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| 16:04.21 | mickeyl | fredrin: no one knows, really |
| 16:04.28 | mickeyl | future is absolutely open |
| 16:04.40 | Dave | oh yeah? |
| 16:04.41 | mickeyl | looking for more information in a couple of weeks when i'm there |
| 16:05.15 | fredrin | mickeyl: true, where's there? |
| 16:05.29 | mickeyl | Om Inc. headquarters |
| 16:05.38 | zlfita | seems my device is one of the few with an empty NOR |
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| 16:05.45 | zlfita | sheet! |
| 16:06.06 | Dave | so? |
| 16:06.23 | Dave | fix it |
| 16:06.39 | emacsen | wow, usb network on computer was easy. Now I gotta figure out how to get the neo to talk to it |
| 16:07.02 | Dave | heh |
| 16:07.07 | mickeyl | usbeth is one of the few things which are really solid |
| 16:07.16 | mickeyl | hugs usb gadget stack |
| 16:07.24 | Dave | eww |
| 16:07.29 | Dave | explosion |
| 16:07.40 | emacsen | I don't even see usb as an option for "Internet" |
| 16:07.41 | Tanuva | would be a pain if it wouldn't be solid :) |
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| 16:08.26 | Dave | Tanuvas |
| 16:09.08 | CVirus | bumbl: what image is that ? |
| 16:10.54 | fredrin | mickeyl: where is the HQ of Om? |
| 16:10.59 | fredrin | taiwan? |
| 16:11.01 | mickeyl | jep |
| 16:11.06 | mickeyl | taipei, actually |
| 16:11.26 | mickeyl | 14h flying *sigh* |
| 16:11.28 | Dave | huhu |
| 16:11.39 | Dave | taiwan would be GOOD quality |
| 16:11.45 | Dave | (in comparison) |
| 16:11.58 | Dave | and we are faced with a brokenmoko ;D |
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| 16:12.58 | drazak | sits on Dave |
| 16:13.13 | Dave | :O |
| 16:13.18 | Dave | IT'S YOU! |
| 16:13.29 | drazak | it's a me! |
| 16:13.31 | Dave | hides |
| 16:13.32 | drazak | where? |
| 16:13.36 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * ra24dccc1127c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: |
| 16:13.36 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Change the charset of gsm/const.py to UTF 8 |
| 16:13.36 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This makes the definition of the GSM alphabet easier/work in all cases. |
| 16:13.40 | drazak | where's the me? |
| 16:14.13 | ike | ? |
| 16:14.19 | drazak | looks around |
| 16:14.20 | fredrin | CIA is here!!!111one |
| 16:14.32 | drazak | ike: don't worry, DaveBot and I do this every time |
| 16:15.06 | Dave | drops the Solaris 10 manual on drazak |
| 16:15.12 | fredrin | lol |
| 16:15.16 | Dave | Muwahahahaha |
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| 16:16.11 | drazak | Dave: that reminds me, where're those books? |
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| 16:16.30 | Dave | runs |
| 16:17.27 | lambda | someone already experimented the 3 ends cable ? |
| 16:17.35 | lambda | for powering attached USB devices and charging the Neo while in host mode |
| 16:17.46 | lambda | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_USB_cable_for_powering_attached_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode |
| 16:17.48 | drazak | Dave: you were gonna send me some books! |
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| 16:22.02 | ike | drazak: you're sitting on each other every time? |
| 16:22.12 | ike | that's kinda gay. But well ok. I'm tolerant. |
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| 16:23.05 | Tanuva | active or passive tolerance? :P |
| 16:24.19 | drazak | ike: more like us being stupid |
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| 16:27.31 | Dave | lollerphoneexplosions |
| 16:27.33 | Tanuva | the gps device should be /dev/s3c2410_serial1 on debian afaik, but that device node does not exist although the gps chip is powered... |
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| 16:29.58 | ike | ;-) |
| 16:32.03 | Dave | :D |
| 16:32.14 | lindi- | Tanuva: /etc/udev/rules.d/55-freerunner.rules:KERNEL=="s3c2410_serial[0-9]", NAME="ttySAC%n" |
| 16:33.04 | Tanuva | ah |
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| 16:35.13 | zlfita | what am i supposed to see with dfu-util -l while FR is in NAN boot menu? |
| 16:35.24 | lindi- | zlfita: NOR? |
| 16:35.29 | lindi- | or NAND? |
| 16:35.31 | zlfita | NAND |
| 16:35.35 | zlfita | my nor is empty |
| 16:36.20 | zlfita | i see two devices, one UNDEFINED and one called "USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
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| 16:38.00 | zlfita | i rightfully claim the "jinxed" title here. I waited for one and a half month for my FR, and now it has empty NOR |
| 16:38.07 | lindi- | dfu-util source has char name[MAX_STR_LEN+1] = "UNDEFINED"; |
| 16:38.44 | lindi- | zlfita: lsusb? |
| 16:39.19 | zlfita | shows broadcom corp for undefined |
| 16:39.32 | zlfita | and empty string for the firmware upgrade thing |
| 16:41.20 | apollo13 | zlfita: "USB Device Firmware Upgrade" is the one you want to choose |
| 16:41.57 | zlfita | are you absolutely sure, cuz my NOR is empty and I'm really scared to do any flashing |
| 16:42.22 | lindi- | zlfita: full output of lsusb would be nice |
| 16:42.32 | zlfita | ok, here we go |
| 16:42.52 | zlfita | ati@s072160:~/openmoko/2008$ lsusb |
| 16:42.52 | zlfita | Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 16:42.52 | zlfita | Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0a5c:2110 Broadcom Corp. |
| 16:42.52 | zlfita | Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 16:42.52 | zlfita | Bus 003 Device 002: ID 045e:0040 Microsoft Corp. Wheel Mouse Optical |
| 16:42.55 | zlfita | Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 16:42.57 | zlfita | Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 16:42.59 | zlfita | Bus 001 Device 017: ID 1d50:5119 |
| 16:43.02 | zlfita | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 16:43.04 | Tm_T | uh oh, flood |
| 16:44.23 | lindi- | zlfita: but to rafb.net/paste/ or similar of course |
| 16:45.13 | lindi- | zlfita: http://qbik.ch/ shows that 0a5c:2110 is some bluetooth dongle |
| 16:45.41 | zlfita | also probably usbnet device of FR |
| 16:46.18 | zlfita | sorry for the flood, won't happen again |
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| 16:47.26 | lindi- | zlfita: you mean 0a5c:2110 would be from FR? |
| 16:47.45 | apollo13 | my freerunner showed up as "USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
| 16:47.46 | zlfita | lindi: i guess so |
| 16:48.08 | apollo13 | also running dfu-util -l without anything connected yielded the undefined |
| 16:48.21 | apollo13 | then it was easy, the new one had to be the fr |
| 16:48.25 | zlfita | apollo13, lindi, thank you very much |
| 16:48.29 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r4ffbad7f2f68 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: |
| 16:48.29 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Revert "ogsmd: Change the charset of gsm/const.py to UTF 8" |
| 16:48.29 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: since it makes problems with other unicode conversion stuff |
| 16:48.29 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit a24dccc1127c619435ca405ef9e0e73ae61da7ed. |
| 16:48.35 | zlfita | i found it |
| 16:48.48 | lindi- | zlfita: sounds very unlikely, just unplug FR to see what disappears from lsusb |
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| 16:49.18 | zlfita | the other one is my laptop's internal wireless thing |
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| 16:55.11 | fuzz_dk | I just reflashed with 2008.08 -> does anyone have a video showing how to use the keyboard? |
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| 16:56.58 | Tig| | fuzz_dk: slide your finger up on the keyboard to switch layouts, slide left and right for delete and space respectively |
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| 16:57.58 | Tig| | the usual process is after mastering this and getting very frustrated you swear at it and the look on the wiki how to get rasters/illume keyboard working instead :) |
| 16:58.25 | Tig| | the next stage is then to start getting annoyed when the qt keyboard sometimes overlays the illume one :) |
| 16:59.00 | Tig| | the following stage is looking at bluetooth keyboards on the net.... |
| 16:59.45 | fuzz_dk | I can input the sim code, but I can get it up in the "sim pin" box |
| 17:00.06 | Tig| | click in where the pin goes first |
| 17:00.27 | Tig| | at a guess, never had to deal with the pin dialogue yet :) |
| 17:00.48 | fuzz_dk | i seems like i just need a "enter" or something like that |
| 17:01.00 | Tig| | is there not a button? |
| 17:01.28 | fuzz_dk | only the buttons from 1-0 |
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| 17:01.56 | fuzz_dk | Ah, I had to press on the inputed text |
| 17:02.23 | fuzz_dk | then "enter" appears. |
| 17:02.23 | Tig| | ah, nice and logical then :) |
| 17:02.23 | fuzz_dk | :) |
| 17:04.01 | Tig| | the stage after that is to discover that someone over in the bluez team has depricated the hidd command and therefore instead of just typing hidd --search to connect your bluetooth keyboard you have to somehow enter arseloads of cryptic dbus commands instead as they have decided that everyone can just use the bluez gnome app instead..... (arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh) |
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| 17:04.55 | fredrin | what is zhone? on the wiki it says it needs more explaining.... |
| 17:05.11 | fredrin | is it just a calling frontend? |
| 17:05.28 | cjb | yes |
| 17:05.40 | cjb | well, plus SMS/address |
| 17:05.47 | Tig| | fredrin: it is a demo app for the framework services, currently is little more than a dialer with an address book but this may change with milestone3 |
| 17:06.00 | fredrin | uses ASU that now or is it just FSO? |
| 17:06.06 | Tig| | FSO |
| 17:06.17 | fredrin | hummkay |
| 17:06.23 | Tig| | ASU which is now called 2008.8 uses the qtopia apps |
| 17:07.06 | Dave | qtopia has apps? o.O |
| 17:07.09 | fredrin | i'm starting to get a picture of how things are put together |
| 17:07.12 | fredrin | :) |
| 17:07.12 | ike | Does FSO uses 'the qtopia apps'? |
| 17:07.13 | Dave | When did this happen? :D |
| 17:07.18 | Dave | fredrin, quite badly. |
| 17:07.33 | ike | Dave: 'a dialer'. :> |
| 17:07.41 | Dave | heh |
| 17:07.48 | Dave | dial me something more useful |
| 17:07.59 | ike | 'an alarm'. |
| 17:08.04 | Tig| | one of the goals of the FSO is to make writing new applications which use the underlying technology, zhone (zen phone) is just a demo of one way someone could use the technology to build a front end for it |
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| 17:08.22 | Dave | sudo make phone |
| 17:08.57 | Tig| | ike: as I understand it the qtopia apps are not compatable with the fso, you could install them and run them but they would not do much as they would not connect to the underlying systems |
| 17:09.09 | ike | Tig|: mhm. thanks. |
| 17:09.39 | Tig| | ike: unless you wanted to write a compatibility layer for them :) |
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| 17:10.52 | ike | Tig|: not really. Just was curious about it. |
| 17:10.53 | ike | :-) |
| 17:11.11 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rde5e84ea5d44 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: |
| 17:11.11 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Change the charset of gsm/const.py to UTF 8 |
| 17:11.11 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This makes the definition of the GSM alphabet easier/work in all cases. |
| 17:11.11 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r02c8fbe7588c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: |
| 17:11.15 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: revert revertion of a24dccc1127c619435ca405ef9e0e73ae61da7ed |
| 17:11.17 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: instead, fix textToUnicode() to deal with incoming strings that are already unicode. |
| 17:11.19 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: We emit a warning though until the transition to PDU is finished. |
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| 17:17.55 | Dave | Foreigners. Fucking up your naming convensions, since 1433. |
| 17:18.06 | AJuOnLiNE | =)) |
| 17:18.31 | Dave | Worse now, since they pollute your internet searches! |
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| 17:28.01 | Dave | US $10.00 |
| 17:28.01 | Dave | Standard Flat Rate Shipping Service |
| 17:28.01 | Dave | Service to United States |
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| 17:47.12 | AJuOnLiNE | can someone help me test a J2ME app by running it on a FR ? |
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| 17:49.46 | lloyd_fedora | AJuOnLiNE: i dont mind ? |
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| 17:50.15 | AJuOnLiNE | lloyd_fedora: http://sahana.cvs.sourceforge.net/sahana/sahana-ext/sahana_j2me/bin/ |
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| 17:51.33 | cyrilbadaut | Hi ?? |
| 17:51.42 | Zilla | HI?:S |
| 17:51.50 | Zilla | HI alll |
| 17:51.54 | Zilla | any dutch people online? |
| 17:51.58 | XorA|gone | FLOOD WARNING |
| 17:51.59 | cyrilbadaut | Yes sorry, first time on irc for me |
| 17:52.09 | cyrilbadaut | looking for french guy .. |
| 17:52.16 | Zilla | i was flooding :| |
| 17:52.30 | Zilla | srry about that |
| 17:52.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r60355b87a220 10/packages/libvisual/libvisual_0.4.0.bb: libvisual 0.4: New recipe. |
| 17:52.33 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * rd918128d9a47 10/packages/boost/ (boost.inc boost_1.33.0.bb boost_1.33.1.bb): boost.inc: Fixed python version - re-enables compiling boost_python. |
| 17:52.34 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * rf7ed81b52774 10/packages/classpath/ (18 files in 5 dirs): classpath: fix config.rpath, autotools and ecj -d |
| 17:52.34 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r6a8701369258 10/packages/images/fso-image.bb: fso-image: remove bogus compatible machine *again* |
| 17:52.37 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r83a88adec418 10/packages/libnl/ (8 files in 2 dirs): libnl add 1.1, remove outdated ones |
| 17:52.40 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r88e31644d264 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): add python-connexion, a versatile (network) connectivity library |
| 17:52.53 | XorA|gone | Zilla: not you :-) |
| 17:53.00 | Zilla | ow :) |
| 17:53.15 | Zilla | i thought..... 3 post after each other ;) |
| 17:53.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r9bd826f0fac8 10/packages/ (20 files in 7 dirs): merge of '8f5711b8ee04e00c48f5997987d6ab4600e5dc19' |
| 17:53.23 | cyrilbadaut | I need help to use my mac and learn how to flash my freeruner with my mac on the SD card |
| 17:53.25 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * rfa5755c45ede 10/packages/opie-console/ (4 files in 2 dirs): opie-console: fix errors thrown with gcc-4.3 |
| 17:53.25 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03ifaistos 07org.openmoko.dev * rca9d7399cc5c 10/packages/ppp/ (ppp-2.4.3/ppp-2.4.3-mppe-mppc-1.1.patch ppp_2.4.3.bb): merge of '1d6a9becb57e689050e4b9b1fb6482e04e3e5111' |
| 17:53.25 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03ifaistos 07org.openmoko.dev * rd13402ae4059 10/packages/ppp/ (ppp-2.4.3/ppp-2.4.3-mppe-mppc-1.1.patch ppp_2.4.3.bb): packages/ppp/ppp_2.4.3.bb : Add mppe support |
| 17:53.28 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03utx 07org.openmoko.dev * rc50aed4b2e3a 10/packages/tangogps/ (tangogps_0.9.2.bb tangogps_0.9.3.bb): tangogps: Updated to version 0.9.3. |
| 17:53.33 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r6fdf4f0f3171 10/packages/mozilla/files/powerpc/jsautocfg.h: mozilla: fix powerpc builds |
| 17:53.38 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r49b2ac1b110d 10/packages/ppp/ppp_2.4.3.bb: ppp: fix parse error |
| 17:53.41 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r86d19e7444b1 10/contrib/angstrom/build-feeds.sh: angstrom feeds: add some more stuff |
| 17:53.44 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rdf68e6713a5a 10/contrib/angstrom/build-feeds.sh: angstrom feeds: add gta02 machine and fso apps |
| 17:53.46 | Zilla | you can use dfu-util ? |
| 17:53.47 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r542859036ec2 10/contrib/angstrom/build-feeds.sh: angstrom feeds: add java and more browsers |
| 17:53.50 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03utx 07org.openmoko.dev * ra6873a8e2a8d 10/packages/pidgin/ (3 files in 2 dirs): pidgin: Update to version 2.5.0 and set as default preference: |
| 17:53.52 | AJuOnLiNE | can I make a J2ME app to access the GPS ? |
| 17:53.55 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r0f331e93070b 10/site/common-glibc: site common-glibc: add ac_cv_fread_reads_directories |
| 17:53.59 | Zilla | can someone kill cia bot? |
| 17:54.04 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rba8d6f87e853 10/packages/xorg-lib/pixman_0.11.8.bb: pixman: make 0.11.8 the default |
| 17:54.07 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3f9b068bec1e 10/packages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): cairo, xservers: bump PR due to pixman abi change for arm |
| 17:54.10 | cyrilbadaut | zilla are you aswering to my question ? |
| 17:54.10 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r1e595f610e1a 10/packages/gstreamer/gst-ffmpeg_0.10.4.bb: gst-ffmpeg: 0.10.4 is working great, make it the default |
| 17:54.12 | AJuOnLiNE | that Q should have been.. can I make a J2ME run on a FR |
| 17:54.13 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r89dfe4666e63 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): merge of '045e00ff4301aa05fddab174a3ac5bf9c260343b' |
| 17:54.16 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r6cdb826968b4 10/classes/scratchbox-compat.bbclass: scratcbox-compat.bbclass: New bbclass. |
| 17:54.16 | Zilla | sort off |
| 17:54.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r2884848a3cae 10/ (379 files in 115 dirs): merge of '4dc83fb2fe7f6a2d1912363f0f5d575ef277a6b7' |
| 17:54.22 | cyrilbadaut | yes please kill it |
| 17:54.30 | cyrilbadaut | ok |
| 17:54.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rf03cb48c12db 10/packages/angstrom/angstrom-x11-base-depends.bb: angstrom-x11-base-depends: bump PR |
| 17:54.35 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r1a6374abd698 10/packages/python/python-connexion_svn.bb: python-connexion svn RDEPENDS+=python-ctypes |
| 17:54.38 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rd173803d70af 10/packages/python/python-pygame_1.8.1.bb: python-pygame 1.8.1 fix bug ending up missing shared objects |
| 17:54.41 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * r67f8023272cd 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merge of '0e9b0714e6ab764eaa6afb85fbd5d15b41175604' |
| 17:54.46 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * rf0ead92baad9 10/packages/madwifi/ (madwifi-ng_r.inc madwifi-ng_r3837-20080802.bb): madwifi-ng: update to snapshot r3837 (required for linux-2.6.26) |
| 17:54.49 | cyrilbadaut | I cant just because the web site for mac is to old |
| 17:54.54 | Zilla | i dont have chanops power :( |
| 17:54.59 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rfd5f5bbf28f4 10/packages/intltool/ (intltool-native_0.40.3.bb intltool_0.40.3.bb): intltool: update to 0.40.3 |
| 17:55.02 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rd0eef6f48536 10/packages/intltool/intltool-native_0.40.3.bb: intltool-native 0.40.3: replace patch with sed |
| 17:55.05 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r26cb1a56796e 10/packages/gnome/ (files/acinclude.m4 libwnck_2.23.6.bb): libwnck: update to 2.23.6 |
| 17:55.08 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r8b3e988c02a8 10/packages/intltool/intltool_0.40.3.bb: intltool 0.40.3: fix shoddy m4 macro |
| 17:55.13 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rd6b76c18a20b 10/packages/gnome/gnome-python-desktop_2.23.0.bb: gnome-python-desktop: also build wnck and rsvg modules |
| 17:55.18 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.dev * rb62e46df61da 10/packages/linux/ (7 files in 3 dirs): linux-2.6.26.bb: package linux 2.6.26 for mpc8313e-rdb |
| 17:55.25 | Xecuter | what is the latest u-boot version? |
| 17:55.25 | lindi- | Zilla: kill, why? |
| 17:55.27 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r063a9909c39e 10/packages/sugar/sugar-base_0.82.0.bb: sugar-base: add more python rdepends |
| 17:55.30 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r71c4981463f1 10/packages/gnome/hippo-canvas_0.3.0.bb: hippo canvas: add 0.3.0 |
| 17:55.33 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * rdc218f50a46f 10/packages/sugar/sugar-base_0.82.0.bb: merge of '3cb2978c67d7c62746b9e01b6002b3798f3418e1' |
| 17:55.36 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r30d81a404023 10/packages/sugar/sugar-base_0.82.0.bb: sugar-base: it now gets to the first run wizard with these extra depends |
| 17:55.39 | Zilla | it is flooding |
| 17:55.41 | CIA-22 | (116 lines omitted) |
| 17:55.45 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r826137aa687a 10/packages/chromium/ (.mtn2git_empty chromium_svn.bb): chromium: add recipe for the google chrome browser |
| 17:55.52 | *** join/#openmoko cheng (n=cheng@xGagB214.WH1.TU-Dresden.De) |
| 17:55.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r23b79c1dadb7 10/packages/gnash/gnash.inc: gnash: enable ffmpeg and plugin |
| 17:55.54 | lindi- | Zilla: you mean development is happening? ;) |
| 17:55.55 | sicu | ooooh, lots of omition |
| 17:55.59 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03utx 07org.openmoko.dev * ra47dfdb0ad40 10/packages/bison/ (6 files in 3 dirs): bison updated to version 2.3: |
| 17:56.02 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3217c6c4cb70 10/packages/gnash/gnash-minimal.inc: merge of '1044732b8a88225ade87ce8064bd97dee00124ac' |
| 17:56.03 | Zilla | i dont know |
| 17:56.05 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r5cd202f9f00c 10/packages/gnome/gnome-panel_2.22.2.bb: gnome-panel: add librsvg to depends |
| 17:56.08 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rd63a9fbd9e60 10/packages/gnome/gnome-python-extras_2.19.1.bb: gnome-python-extras: add 2.19.1 |
| 17:56.13 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03utx 07org.openmoko.dev * r9f1766a3e323 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): webkit-gtk updated from snapshot 35533 to snapshot 35977: |
| 17:56.14 | Zilla | cia bot monitors development than? |
| 17:56.15 | *** join/#openmoko Proton23 (n=proton@p57BA6A92.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:56.20 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03utx 07org.openmoko.dev * r9545c8dae75e 10/packages/gtk-webcore/ (midori_0.0.19.bb midori_0.0.20.bb): midori updated to version 0.0.20 |
| 17:56.20 | Tig| | Zilla: yes |
| 17:56.21 | Xecuter | can someone kcik this guy? |
| 17:56.23 | Zilla | ah :) |
| 17:56.27 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * rd72d524b07ec 10/packages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merge of '464f86e91e3d4d47be8a4dc58c4d915ae7e86599' |
| 17:56.30 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rce402ccd576f 10/packages/linux/ (linux-omap2-git/beagleboard/defconfig linux-omap2_git.bb): linux-omap2 git: enable more usb stuff for beagle |
| 17:56.33 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rc8a65909a8a2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: bump Xglamo and linux-openmoko |
| 17:56.40 | Gnutoo | Hello,i will get my freerunner Thursday or Wednesday ...and i just read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions...and it says that the wifi in Om2008.8 isn't stable...and I realy need wifi...so is there a workaround such as compiling my ASU version with openembedded(i know how to use it but not how to make package very well yet...) or what will I miss using debian? |
| 17:56.40 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rc06cde98c93f 10/ (47 files in 27 dirs): merge of '23d1f770a092f023ba951e138b787c9bacc3152d' |
| 17:56.42 | cyrilbadaut | CIA-22 please stop |
| 17:56.45 | Zilla | but isnt it better that the cia bot will be in the developer channel? |
| 17:56.45 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r57aa65648af4 10/packages/bluez/ (5 files): bluez update to 3.36, the last version in the 3.x series. |
| 17:56.48 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r7ad5a9dacfdf 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): python 2.5.2 ship shlex in python-shell |
| 17:56.51 | Tig| | Xecuter: if it annoys you use the /ignore command in your irc client |
| 17:56.55 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rffeaf55af9be 10/packages/vnc/x11vnc_0.9.3.bb: x11vnc: fix SRC_URI |
| 17:56.56 | lindi- | Gnutoo: wifi is entirely kernel issue |
| 17:56.57 | cyrilbadaut | http://www.dsitri.de/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Flasher |
| 17:56.58 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r15f8a2b859ac 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fso-sounds: install some sounds from fso artwork repository |
| 17:57.01 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r66323fb1e382 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): merge of '8757cea2a30d383fc8b9e31dc7ae714a4df33a64' |
| 17:57.03 | Zilla | how can i disignore it? |
| 17:57.08 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * ra97a3fefa605 10/packages/vino/vino_2.22.2.bb: vino: update to 2.22.2 |
| 17:57.10 | cyrilbadaut | none of them can be usefull .. |
| 17:57.12 | Gnutoo | lindi-, wow so if i downgrade the kernel it will work? |
| 17:57.13 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rd520b84f214d 10/classes/cmake.bbclass: cmake bbclass: allow extra argument via EXTRA_OECMAKE |
| 17:57.16 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rd52e2648b8c0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: bump mickeyterm, mickeydbus, python-pyrtc |
| 17:57.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * raae861a4600c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: merge of '7a4784a76121e6cf9b4204ebe5c812e2e540767f' |
| 17:57.24 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rc06b0ebe0d35 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs: bump frameworkd |
| 17:57.27 | CIA-22 | (103 lines omitted) |
| 17:57.30 | Tig| | use the commands /ignore username and /unignore username |
| 17:57.38 | lindi- | Gnutoo: have you used wlan with linux before? |
| 17:57.54 | Gnutoo | lindi-, yes i know ifconfig and iwconfig |
| 17:57.57 | Xecuter | thanks Tig| |
| 17:58.00 | *** join/#openmoko Sonicadvance1 (n=Sonic@69.92.183.148) |
| 17:58.14 | Xecuter | anywhoo, what is the altest u-boot version? |
| 17:58.22 | *** join/#openmoko Sonicadvance (n=Sonic@69.92.183.148) |
| 17:58.27 | Zilla | tnx tig| |
| 17:58.29 | Gnutoo | lindi-, i've even tried to make some access point in GNU/Linux and FreeBSD...not finished yet....but the openmoko firmware doesn't permit that... |
| 17:58.34 | sicu | i like seing CIA-22 doing stuff |
| 17:58.51 | cyrilbadaut | I asked him to stop /.. :-) |
| 17:58.58 | Gnutoo | s/openmoko firmware/firmware of the wifi card of the openmoko / |
| 17:59.02 | Zilla | whats the fun of having a bot wich monitors development? |
| 17:59.13 | Tig| | Gnutoo: I have fairly solid wifi on my freerunner using the FSO image and the bearstech repos, I installed the lint-wifi version from the wiki and now can connect to my WPA network quite happily without the command line |
| 17:59.31 | Zilla | thats awesome :) |
| 17:59.45 | Zilla | do you know if radius and that stuff is also incuded? |
| 17:59.47 | cyrilbadaut | so nobody can help me .. |
| 17:59.58 | Zilla | whats the problem? |
| 17:59.59 | Tig| | only problem is that I need to write an app to power down the wifi when finished, I am working on a simple py-etk one :) |
| 18:00.03 | mwester_ | Zilla: it's not intended for fun; it's for when there used to be developers on the channel ;) :P |
| 18:00.04 | Gnutoo | Tig|, wow...I know bearstech is a vendor...that's where i bought mine...but what image do they have in their repo |
| 18:00.05 | cyrilbadaut | jsut to found how to use my mac to flash |
| 18:00.09 | Tig| | cyrilbadaut: what is the problem? |
| 18:00.17 | cyrilbadaut | ok so I expain |
| 18:00.18 | Zilla | oke mwester |
| 18:00.21 | cyrilbadaut | I have a mac |
| 18:00.35 | *** join/#openmoko polz (n=polz@cpe-90-157-225-127.dynamic.amis.net) |
| 18:00.37 | cyrilbadaut | so I must use |
| 18:00.38 | cyrilbadaut | http://www.dsitri.de/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Flasher |
| 18:00.42 | Zilla | yes, i dont have one but go one ;) |
| 18:00.42 | cyrilbadaut | one of these |
| 18:00.46 | mwester_ | Gnutoo: bearstech offered disk space and a server to host the community development work; FSO and SHR |
| 18:00.47 | Tig| | Gnutoo: they are sponsoring a buildhost for the shr people and the fso images |
| 18:00.59 | cyrilbadaut | but none of these website can connect |
| 18:01.17 | lindi- | Gnutoo: yes i don't know if freerunner can be wlan AP. |
| 18:01.17 | Zilla | and what about an other computer in your network? |
| 18:01.24 | Gnutoo | wow!!! they are realy involved!!! I even saw luca's presentation on the net... |
| 18:01.26 | cyrilbadaut | so where can I found good website |
| 18:01.28 | lindi- | Gnutoo: wlan hardware is unfortunately very stupid in this respect if you ask me |
| 18:01.50 | lindi- | Gnutoo: i just use ad-hoc networks |
| 18:01.54 | mwester_ | lindi-: monitor mode is not supported by the (current) firmware for the Atheros wlan chipset that Om has. |
| 18:01.57 | Gnutoo | lindi-, ok |
| 18:02.23 | Gnutoo | mmm...no monitor... |
| 18:02.26 | lindi- | mwester_: very stupid indeed :/ |
| 18:02.28 | Tig| | cyrilbadaut: I have never seen that app before but I am not a mac person so can't really help I am afraid :( |
| 18:02.35 | lindi- | mwester_: i wish wlan was like ethernet :) |
| 18:02.58 | Zilla | i didnt.... |
| 18:02.58 | cyrilbadaut | Is Luca around ? |
| 18:02.58 | cyrilbadaut | ok thanks I Should install an ubuntu ? |
| 18:03.09 | Zilla | than it wouldnt be secure :| |
| 18:03.10 | cyrilbadaut | is luca around ? |
| 18:03.31 | mwester_ | lindi-: it might be less than we want, but the basic driver doesn 't work very well -- I think we need to get that working before one complains about advanced features of the chipset and firmware. :( |
| 18:03.32 | Zilla | what kind of mac do you have? intel proc or g4? |
| 18:03.42 | cyrilbadaut | I am a poor biologist loose in this world :-) |
| 18:03.51 | *** join/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e182057029.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 18:03.54 | cyrilbadaut | macbookpro |
| 18:03.59 | cyrilbadaut | 10.4.11 |
| 18:04.05 | Zilla | with an intel processor? |
| 18:04.09 | cyrilbadaut | yes |
| 18:04.14 | lindi- | mwester_: i'm just blaming the wlan technology itself, not freerunner :) |
| 18:04.20 | cyrilbadaut | but I didn"t install X11 |
| 18:04.29 | AJuOnLiNE | lloyd_fedora: any luck? |
| 18:04.45 | Staticwave_Ace | cyrilbadaut: get moving up the food chain ;) http://xkcd.com/435/ |
| 18:04.59 | lloyd_fedora | AJuOnLiNE: how do i get java / |
| 18:05.02 | cyrilbadaut | sorry I didn't understand |
| 18:05.21 | cyrilbadaut | ok |
| 18:05.22 | cyrilbadaut | I did |
| 18:05.22 | cyrilbadaut | :) |
| 18:05.24 | cyrilbadaut | thnaks |
| 18:05.35 | *** join/#openmoko DieMumiee (n=DieMumie@W018c.w.pppool.de) |
| 18:05.41 | Wiedi | cyrilbadaut, when booted into nand, try flashing once (that failes), replug the usb, and try again - that works here fine with the dfu-util provied in the openmoko flasher app bundle |
| 18:05.50 | AJuOnLiNE | lloyd_fedora: :P tough question http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Java |
| 18:06.14 | Tig| | cyrilbadaut: did you manage to download the openmoko flasher app? |
| 18:06.18 | AJuOnLiNE | lloyd_fedora: i am evaluating if I can make a J2ME app for openmoko phones |
| 18:06.22 | cyrilbadaut | .. I am not informatician... so speak slowly please :-) |
| 18:06.30 | *** join/#openmoko tomer (n=tomer@89-139-138-186.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 18:06.31 | cyrilbadaut | Tig : no |
| 18:06.45 | cyrilbadaut | no website doesnot work |
| 18:07.00 | lloyd_fedora | AJuOnLiNE: gimme a sec .. checkin the wiki |
| 18:11.53 | Gnutoo | thanks a lot for all the informations... |
| 18:13.06 | *** part/#openmoko lloyd_fedora (n=User@86.99.63.11) |
| 18:13.20 | *** join/#openmoko HauDyr (n=kim@knet-gip124.prod.bolignet.dk) |
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| 18:15.32 | Dave | wiki wiki wiki |
| 18:17.22 | Zilla | Developers Developers Developers ;) |
| 18:17.36 | Dave | Rawr |
| 18:17.38 | Dave | Zilla :) |
| 18:18.04 | AJuOnLiNE | can one of the developers take a look into this http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dsjhvbz_26gdmnvfcv and provide some suggestions ? |
| 18:18.12 | CVirus | hackers hackers hackers hackers |
| 18:18.26 | Zilla | what Dave? |
| 18:18.28 | Dave | around here, more like slackers :P |
| 18:18.30 | *** join/#openmoko bubak (n=martin@4.179.broadband10.iol.cz) |
| 18:18.34 | AJuOnLiNE | Virus Virus Virus or CVirus CVirus CVirus |
| 18:18.36 | AJuOnLiNE | :D |
| 18:18.43 | bubak | hi, i am trying to set up an ad-hoc mode wifi between zaurus and fr -- no success. than i tried ad-hoc between fr and my notebook (thinkapd t60) -- only once from several attempts a ended up with the same cell id and so only once i established a connection between fr and notebook using ad-hoc network. does anyone has experience with ad-hoc wifi and fr? |
| 18:18.46 | CVirus | is that you .. dave ? |
| 18:19.15 | Zilla | c:\virus? |
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| 18:25.47 | AJuOnLiNE | lloyd_fedora: any luck yet ? |
| 18:26.25 | AJuOnLiNE | to make a mobile app.. which works across other mobile devices.. and the Openmoko phones too.. i should use J2ME ? |
| 18:26.46 | tomer | anybody ordered his FreeRunner from Koolu? |
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| 18:27.51 | Staticwave_Ace | I did |
| 18:28.22 | tomer | Staticwave_Ace: how long was it from the day you ordered 'till you got it? |
| 18:28.32 | Gnutoo | Tig|, does the FSO of bearstech have a console? |
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| 18:28.45 | Tig| | Gnutoo: yep installed by default |
| 18:28.50 | Tig| | well terminal app |
| 18:29.29 | Gnutoo | Tig|, wow thanks...so mabe i'll use this image...there is also tichy that now supports phonebook |
| 18:29.52 | Tig| | ah now that would be worth looking into :) |
| 18:29.59 | Tig| | let me know how you get on :) |
| 18:30.01 | Staticwave_Ace | tomer: mine was not representative, I bought mine before they had any in stock |
| 18:30.34 | Dave | Grr |
| 18:30.37 | Dave | Stupid moddep |
| 18:31.47 | tomer | Staticwave_Ace: which app did you develop? |
| 18:32.32 | tomer | is there a repository for apps writen for the Neo? |
| 18:33.06 | Dave | yes |
| 18:33.17 | Dave | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories |
| 18:33.23 | Staticwave_Ace | tomer: nono, I did a preorder from koolu |
| 18:33.28 | Staticwave_Ace | no apps yet |
| 18:33.47 | tomer | cool |
| 18:33.53 | tomer | thanks Dave |
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| 18:56.20 | zlfita | about keyboard of 2008.8 |
| 18:56.49 | zlfita | i don't want it to help me |
| 18:57.02 | zlfita | just input whatever i tap |
| 18:57.06 | zlfita | is that possible? |
| 18:58.08 | Tig| | zlfita: I have not seen a simple guide yet |
| 18:58.30 | Tig| | but one option is to switch to the illume/raster keyboard |
| 18:59.00 | Tig| | zlfita: there is loads of info here that might help : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate |
| 18:59.13 | Dave | tap it like it's hot? |
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| 18:59.30 | zlfita | looking there, thanks |
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| 18:59.51 | cyrilbadaut | tigger : first try fail |
| 18:59.52 | Tig| | zlfita: I know the illume/raster keyboard does when in terminal mode and you get all the keys :) |
| 19:00.08 | cyrilbadaut | tigger : first try fail |
| 19:00.18 | Tig| | cyrilbadaut: what happened did it just boot into OSX? |
| 19:00.36 | cyrilbadaut | no the mac cannot read the CD |
| 19:00.43 | cyrilbadaut | but I think I know why |
| 19:00.47 | cyrilbadaut | I burn another CD |
| 19:00.50 | Dave | mac.fail? |
| 19:00.59 | Tig| | cyrilbadaut: did you download the ubuntu release for the Mac hardware? |
| 19:01.09 | cyrilbadaut | ah .. |
| 19:01.12 | cyrilbadaut | I think so . |
| 19:01.16 | cyrilbadaut | not sure :) |
| 19:01.30 | cyrilbadaut | kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso |
| 19:01.42 | cyrilbadaut | outcvh .. 'AMD' |
| 19:01.46 | cyrilbadaut | not for me .. ?; |
| 19:01.57 | cyrilbadaut | the other CD is ready |
| 19:02.03 | Tig| | wait a sec |
| 19:02.18 | cyrilbadaut | I try again if it fail again, I will try to found the good ubuntu |
| 19:02.21 | Tig| | what model mac do you have and can we just check it runs ubuntu first |
| 19:02.23 | cyrilbadaut | ok I wait |
| 19:02.31 | Tig| | :) |
| 19:02.35 | cyrilbadaut | macbookpro |
| 19:02.36 | Tig| | might save some time :) |
| 19:02.51 | Dave | macbookfail? |
| 19:03.09 | cyrilbadaut | mac book fail but biologist fail too |
| 19:03.24 | cyrilbadaut | and finaly, biologist fail |
| 19:03.27 | zlfita | Tig|, do i need a reboot after installing illume-config? |
| 19:03.45 | cyrilbadaut | I have .exe on the CD ..... |
| 19:03.49 | cyrilbadaut | not normal for mac |
| 19:03.59 | Tig| | zlfita: probably or do a CRTL ALT backspace to restart X |
| 19:04.20 | Tig| | but as you don't have that keyboard yet then yes a reboot :) |
| 19:04.37 | Tig| | sorry brain only kicked in half way through typing it :) |
| 19:04.42 | apollo13 | cyrilbadaut: all ubuntu cds have .exe files |
| 19:04.53 | apollo13 | cause there is a menu for windows users |
| 19:04.53 | cyrilbadaut | ok thanks |
| 19:04.56 | cyrilbadaut | ok |
| 19:05.14 | cyrilbadaut | so I try too boot again, hope to see yo usoon ;) |
| 19:05.27 | cyrilbadaut | quit |
| 19:05.37 | Tig| | blast he has gone |
| 19:06.04 | Dave | :p |
| 19:06.09 | Dave | He'll be back... |
| 19:06.14 | Tig| | are there any Mac people on here ? |
| 19:06.58 | edistar | hiho |
| 19:07.01 | edistar | Tig|: what is mac? |
| 19:07.28 | Tig| | as in apple |
| 19:08.11 | AJuOnLiNE | does having an iPod count :D |
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| 19:08.20 | AJuOnLiNE | runs |
| 19:08.40 | cyrilbadaut | fail again |
| 19:08.45 | Tig| | and can help someone with a macbook pro flash their freerunner, I have tried as far as i can help but now we are running into mac stuff and I don't have a machine to help with |
| 19:08.55 | cyrilbadaut | when staring, I can select only my hard drive |
| 19:09.08 | cjb | Tig|: I think almost everyone here runs Linux. |
| 19:09.18 | Zilla | i dont :( |
| 19:09.19 | Zilla | atm |
| 19:09.21 | edistar | Tig|: using a livecd would be much easier |
| 19:09.27 | cyrilbadaut | Exept me but I will |
| 19:09.32 | Tig| | cyrilbadaut: I think we need to wait for a mac person to come along |
| 19:09.37 | cyrilbadaut | ok |
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| 19:09.50 | cyrilbadaut | I think I can wqait for a long time ... :) |
| 19:09.56 | Weiss | should there be an "autocenter" button at the top right in TangoGPS? |
| 19:10.07 | Tig| | edistar: well cyrilbadaut has got the live cd downloaded and burnt but cant get the mac to boot from it, any ideas? |
| 19:10.43 | cyrilbadaut | I check if it is the good linux for mac |
| 19:10.45 | cyrilbadaut | first |
| 19:11.23 | cjb | Tig|: hold down C or whatever it is to boot from CD? |
| 19:11.32 | cjb | and yeah, make sure it's the Mac CD |
| 19:11.45 | Tig| | CJB got a URL for it? |
| 19:11.51 | cyrilbadaut | ok I held donw the 'alt key |
| 19:12.06 | cyrilbadaut | I try now with the 'C' key |
| 19:12.12 | cyrilbadaut | see you in 5minutes |
| 19:12.15 | Tig| | cjb: cyrilbadaut is the one with the mac :) |
| 19:12.18 | Dave | What is /lib/udev/net.agent ? |
| 19:12.38 | cjb | Tig|: oh! sorry. |
| 19:12.41 | Dave | Moreover, why does it appear to be forkbombing my system? |
| 19:13.02 | Tig| | cjb: no problem but please help me fix his problem :) |
| 19:13.06 | cyrilbadaut | 'C' hey or 'Alt' key |
| 19:13.21 | cjb | I don't know much about macs |
| 19:13.38 | Tig| | cjb: neither do I :) hence the plea for help :) |
| 19:13.41 | cjb | not since they did the wacky EFI stuff |
| 19:13.43 | cyrilbadaut | so yo utold me C because you though I had a PC ? |
| 19:13.58 | cjb | no, holding down C to boot from CD is one of the few things I know about macs |
| 19:14.03 | cyrilbadaut | ok |
| 19:14.11 | cyrilbadaut | thanks so I try it now |
| 19:14.20 | undrwater | C |
| 19:14.25 | cyrilbadaut | and I have to learn more how to use irc .. |
| 19:14.33 | cyrilbadaut | cjb : thanks |
| 19:14.41 | cyrilbadaut | coming soon |
| 19:15.20 | ap02 | anybody experiencing problems upgrading FSO packages? |
| 19:15.44 | ap02 | I get a segfault when I type 'opkg upgrade' |
| 19:15.57 | ap02 | root@om-gta02:~# opkg upgrade |
| 19:15.57 | undrwater | ax Pt foray ' |
| 19:16.02 | ap02 | Upgrading angstrom-version on root from 1:-20080729-r1 to 1:-20080904-r1... |
| 19:16.07 | ap02 | Segmentation fault |
| 19:16.22 | cyrilbadaut | Tig : in french http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/installation/macbook |
| 19:17.10 | apollo13 | ap02: same here |
| 19:17.10 | Tig| | ap02: I did but it was after I had been messing around with stuff, I ended up reflashing to milestone 2 and adding the bearstech feeds and everything has been fine since |
| 19:17.33 | undrwater | as of today ?j |
| 19:18.21 | cyrilbadaut | Tig : problem... I use a wifi connection, will ubuntu will allow me to connect easly ? |
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| 19:18.33 | Tig| | cyrilbadaut: as far as I can tell that is for installing ubuntu not just for booting the live cd (my french is quite poor :) ) |
| 19:18.59 | cyrilbadaut | yes I realise that when reading |
| 19:19.11 | Tig| | cyrilbadaut: it might support it out of the box or not, without a mac here I can't tell you |
| 19:19.20 | Tig| | back in a min, phone |
| 19:19.22 | cyrilbadaut | ok I try it now |
| 19:19.31 | cyrilbadaut | back in 5 min if ok |
| 19:21.46 | timo2k | Tigl|: I have kubuntu 8.04 on my macbook |
| 19:23.42 | Tig| | timo2k: aha! |
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| 19:24.12 | timo2k | grub supports EFI bootin, is that your problem? |
| 19:24.42 | Tig| | timo2k: have you managed to flash a freerunner from osx or can guide an osx owner through booting a linux distro and flashing it that way? |
| 19:24.53 | cyrilbadaut | Tig cjb : fail the C key is wrong I think, the 'alt' one seems to be better |
| 19:25.02 | Zilla | or alt+c? |
| 19:25.49 | cyrilbadaut | I don't think so |
| 19:26.07 | timo2k | no Ive wiped OSX down from my macbook :/ you just have to insert a live CD and hold the special key when the chime comes |
| 19:26.23 | Zilla | http://www.jacsoft.co.nz/Tech_Notes/Mac_Keys.shtml |
| 19:26.27 | Zilla | first google hit |
| 19:26.29 | cyrilbadaut | when alt : then I have the choise (but can't see the cd) so the choise is my hardisc.. |
| 19:26.36 | Tig| | timo2k: any idea what the special keys are? |
| 19:26.41 | Tig| | ah |
| 19:26.44 | Zilla | http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=boot+from+cd+mac&meta= |
| 19:26.46 | Tig| | so you get the menu |
| 19:26.59 | Dave | rawr |
| 19:27.11 | timo2k | cant remember, Ill search :) |
| 19:27.37 | Tig| | right is there different iso for macbooks or is it the standard x86 image? |
| 19:28.29 | Zilla | if you have an intel box.... you can boot the x86 i think |
| 19:28.31 | timo2k | you have to hold down the C key |
| 19:28.33 | TAsnn | Tig|, i guess that depends on the version of the mac, if it's x86, than it shouldn't be different, anyhow these are just assumptions, google for it :) |
| 19:28.33 | Zilla | *intel mac |
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| 19:29.38 | cyrilbadaut | funy .. no CMD-OPT exist .. but 'fn', 'ctrl' , 'alt' or 'apple' but 'apple' should be CMD |
| 19:30.05 | cyrilbadaut | try again .. coming soon |
| 19:30.08 | timo2k | Tig|: here you cant get much information : http://www.mactel-linux.org/wiki/HOWTO |
| 19:31.33 | Tig| | timo2k: ta but it is not me with the mac, all we need to do is get cyrilbadaut to be able to boot ubuntu from cd so he can flash his freerunner :) |
| 19:32.07 | ap02 | does anyone know what is the default web browser for FSO? |
| 19:32.23 | timo2k | okay, since grub supports EFI, it should boot =) |
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| 19:34.28 | Tanuva | ap02: there's no web browser in fso |
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| 19:38.00 | cyrilbadaut | fail |
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| 19:38.38 | lambda | hi |
| 19:38.41 | Tanuva | epic fail. |
| 19:38.56 | cyrilbadaut | tig : fail again |
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| 19:40.34 | ap02 | ok, thanks. |
| 19:41.39 | cyrilbadaut | Tig : I must have Ubuntu or Kubuntu ? |
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| 19:44.08 | cyrilbadaut | tig : i found the site where I downloaded Ubuntu |
| 19:44.09 | cyrilbadaut | http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download |
| 19:44.19 | Tig| | cyrilbadaut: the two ubuntu versions should not matter for this |
| 19:44.26 | cyrilbadaut | ok |
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| 19:44.34 | timo2k | cyrilbadaut: kubuntu just comes with the kde desktop |
| 19:44.46 | cyrilbadaut | humhum .. :) |
| 19:44.49 | Tig| | to be perfectly honest I think you need someone who knows macs to give you a hand |
| 19:44.55 | cyrilbadaut | ok |
| 19:45.07 | cyrilbadaut | so first I read the How to on the web |
| 19:45.56 | Tig| | as we tried but really don't know enough to help properly and are reading the same thngs you are but lack the machines to test :( |
| 19:46.13 | cyrilbadaut | I think I didn't download the 'livecd' |
| 19:47.14 | cyrilbadaut | yes I understand. |
| 19:47.50 | cyrilbadaut | all : do anybody have a mac here ? and run a cdlive of ubuntu ? |
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| 19:55.29 | slaxxin | if u had more slackers here u might just have an operating system that works |
| 19:56.33 | edistar | cyrilbadaut: what do you need to know? |
| 19:56.45 | cyrilbadaut | everything :-) |
| 19:56.48 | cyrilbadaut | no |
| 19:57.03 | cyrilbadaut | I want to use my mac to flash the freerunner |
| 19:57.15 | cyrilbadaut | so I want to boot on a ubuntu cdlive |
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| 19:57.27 | cyrilbadaut | so i downloaded ubuntu, burn it |
| 19:57.39 | cyrilbadaut | but I can't boot on it |
| 19:58.01 | cyrilbadaut | and worse : I am not informatician but biologist |
| 19:58.14 | edistar | cyrilbadaut: you have to install refit, a second bootloader |
| 19:58.26 | cyrilbadaut | so I burn an iso image of ubuntu |
| 19:58.59 | cyrilbadaut | but when I press alt, I should be abble to select the CD to boot on it |
| 19:59.00 | cyrilbadaut | no ? |
| 19:59.12 | Toutoug | Hi, I try to use the enlightenment_remote command, but it complains about E_IPC_SOCKET env variable not set. Somebody have already used this command? |
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| 20:01.18 | edistar | cyrilbadaut: not sure, didn't do it that way |
| 20:01.28 | lambda | for the most stablest issue , which release do you suggest please ? |
| 20:01.32 | edistar | I installed rEFIt and could then select 'boot from cd' |
| 20:02.07 | lambda | fso-testing sounds eating my device XD |
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| 20:03.00 | lambda | even doing a call is beyond his ability |
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| 20:04.03 | lambda | hmm |
| 20:04.15 | lambda | without any SD card it works |
| 20:04.55 | timo2k | cyrilbadaut: hmm for me it worked just inserted the cd and hold C key maybe you have an other mac version?! rEFIt is a osx bootmanagertool with that it should really work :) |
| 20:05.05 | timo2k | have you tested the cd in an other pc? |
| 20:05.57 | edistar | or with the md5 checksum? |
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| 20:14.09 | Toutoug | enligthenment_remote module-unload illume is very bad :] |
| 20:14.53 | flat | Hi all, does anyone know how I can prevent the freerunner from booting up when I plug it in? |
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| 20:17.25 | Toutoug | perhaps boot it before :) on uBoot, plug it and choose poweroff |
| 20:17.33 | Toutoug | not tried yet |
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| 20:19.14 | cyrilbadaut | timo2k : I donwloded a wrong version of ubuntu for PC ? processeur 64 bits (AMD64 et Intel EM64T) |
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| 20:19.51 | flat | Toutoug: Thanks, will give it a try |
| 20:20.15 | qknight | hey |
| 20:20.43 | qknight | the second time my second os installation on a 8gb microSD card was 'eredicated' with a strange crash before |
| 20:20.56 | qknight | now the boot loader says that it can't find the partition and stuff anymore |
| 20:22.26 | edistar | cyrilbadaut: should be ok |
| 20:23.08 | viq | qknight: I heard something about SDHC (4GB and more) cards sometimes suffer from a bug that wipes the partition table |
| 20:25.15 | qknight | viq: i discovered that in an empiric fashion |
| 20:25.29 | qknight | viq: do you know which bug that is in detail? |
| 20:25.46 | qknight | i mean is there a bug db with infos where to find futher issue reports? |
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| 20:28.02 | qknight | http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-community/2008/7/23/2651964 |
| 20:28.03 | qknight | an nice |
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| 20:30.52 | RXShorty | Hi all |
| 20:31.13 | Zilla | Hi RXShorty |
| 20:31.20 | RXShorty | Hi Zilla |
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| 20:31.44 | RXShorty | Can I again ask a question here? I want to know how to send a file from my freerunner to my Desktop using SSH |
| 20:32.03 | edistar | RXShorty: with scp |
| 20:32.04 | Zilla | using the put command? |
| 20:32.05 | qknight | RXShorty: ask your question, don't ask to ask, ask smart questions |
| 20:32.24 | edistar | scp root@192.168.0.2:/path/to/file /home/RXShorty/ |
| 20:32.37 | RXShorty | wow great response guys! |
| 20:32.38 | RXShorty | thanks |
| 20:32.39 | Toutoug | RXShorty: scp doesn't work? |
| 20:32.48 | edistar | RXShorty: good luck :) |
| 20:32.54 | RXShorty | Toutoug didn't know the command :) Thanks |
| 20:33.08 | Toutoug | edistar: you're quicker and you're answer more complete! :) |
| 20:33.15 | Toutoug | I've to train |
| 20:33.16 | RXShorty | ;) |
| 20:33.54 | tomboy64 | is there a way to manually call raster's keyboard? |
| 20:34.05 | tomboy64 | e.g. some kind of shelf-gadget or sumthn |
| 20:36.40 | edistar | tomboy64: yes, via dbus |
| 20:36.54 | edistar | tomboy64: also a button at the top of the illume shelf |
| 20:37.00 | edistar | but it might be hidden in your build |
| 20:37.15 | tomboy64 | uhm |
| 20:37.19 | tomboy64 | can't find it? |
| 20:37.33 | tomboy64 | i have om2008.8 update from sept 4th |
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| 20:39.01 | tomboy64 | oh |
| 20:39.03 | tomboy64 | hm |
| 20:39.09 | tomboy64 | i found something in the wiki :-D |
| 20:43.04 | tomboy64 | ahh |
| 20:43.10 | tomboy64 | reinstalling illume-config fixed it |
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| 20:51.32 | tomboy64 | mhmm |
| 20:51.42 | tomboy64 | i guess i'm getting a grip of Om |
| 20:51.45 | tomboy64 | *on |
| 20:59.26 | Amorphous | does anyone know how the supend by the power button is handled on 2008.8? i'm trying to add the pactl suspend-sink 1/0 to fix the audio |
| 21:00.28 | Amorphous | because /etc/apm/resume.d/* doesn't seem to be executed |
| 21:00.44 | cyrilbadaut | edistar : still here ? |
| 21:02.32 | RXShorty | Peeps scp root@192.168.0.200:/boot/uImage.bin /home/rob/Documents/Freerunner/Debian gives me a error |
| 21:02.33 | RXShorty | ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.200 port 22: Connection refused |
| 21:03.04 | edistar | cyrilbadaut: yep |
| 21:03.18 | edistar | RXShorty: 192.168.0.202 I suppose |
| 21:03.26 | Mononoke | RXShorty: freerunner is 202 |
| 21:03.57 | RXShorty | hmm |
| 21:03.59 | RXShorty | let me check :) |
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| 21:06.16 | scarlson_ | How can I toggle fullscreen mode from command line with OM2008.8 ? |
| 21:08.27 | RXShorty | do I have to put my IP of my desktop in front of /home/username/Documents? |
| 21:09.51 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 21:10.13 | SpeedEvil | scp foo@host:path/wild . |
| 21:10.30 | SpeedEvil | copies as user foo, from host, with path/wildcard to the current dir |
| 21:11.14 | RXShorty | SpeedEvil: using this command: scp root@192.168.0.202:/boot/uImage.bin /home/rob/Documents/Freerunner |
| 21:11.30 | RXShorty | gives error no such file/direcotry |
| 21:11.39 | RXShorty | at /home/rob/etcetc |
| 21:12.31 | cyrilbadaut | edistar : I almost finish to download ubuntu, then I burn then I try again and give you the result |
| 21:12.32 | edistar | RXShorty: then that dir doesn't exist |
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| 21:12.37 | edistar | cyrilbadaut: okey |
| 21:12.59 | RXShorty | edistar: it does exist on my own system |
| 21:13.05 | F4t | hey, did anyone manage to hack the greenphone sdk to compile for the freerunner? |
| 21:13.13 | Xecuter | someone here using lint-wifi? |
| 21:13.26 | cyrilbadaut | edistar : I hope I will not have just a command line, I will not know what to do with it |
| 21:13.34 | Xecuter | n00b question comin' atcha :P how do i run it? |
| 21:13.46 | edistar | cyrilbadaut: no, ubuntu is quite friendly |
| 21:13.46 | RXShorty | nevermind |
| 21:13.48 | RXShorty | it works |
| 21:13.50 | RXShorty | sorry edistar |
| 21:13.54 | RXShorty | you where right :) |
| 21:14.02 | edistar | RXShorty: yeah, using scp all the time ;) |
| 21:14.15 | RXShorty | very sweet |
| 21:14.22 | RXShorty | thanks! |
| 21:15.43 | tomboy64 | anyone got a clue where to modify xterm's outfit? |
| 21:15.50 | tomboy64 | .Xresources doesn't work :-| |
| 21:16.59 | RXShorty | edistar: ok this is strange... my terminal gives it has copied to the dir |
| 21:17.02 | RXShorty | but I can't see it |
| 21:17.03 | RXShorty | haahah |
| 21:17.04 | RXShorty | damn |
| 21:17.28 | tomboy64 | what's the command you used? |
| 21:17.50 | RXShorty | scp root@192.168.0.202:/boot/uImage.bin /home/rob/Documents |
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| 21:19.01 | tomboy64 | RXShorty: you have experience with scp? |
| 21:19.08 | RXShorty | no sorry |
| 21:19.26 | tomboy64 | well, you should have an explicit status-bar running and showing 100% |
| 21:19.32 | tomboy64 | else nothing was copied over |
| 21:19.46 | RXShorty | yes it shows 100% |
| 21:19.50 | RXShorty | that is the strange part |
| 21:19.55 | edistar | that's explicit enough.. ;) |
| 21:19.59 | tomboy64 | :) |
| 21:20.08 | RXShorty | :) |
| 21:20.16 | edistar | RXShorty: ls /home/rob/Documents tells you what? |
| 21:20.32 | scarlson_ | How can I toggle fullscreen mode from command line with OM2008.8 ? Need to remove the titlebar to run my app in fullscreen... |
| 21:21.10 | RXShorty | edistar: ls? |
| 21:21.11 | RXShorty | ;) |
| 21:21.24 | edistar | RXShorty: you know ls? ^^ |
| 21:22.08 | RXShorty | hehe yes used it some times |
| 21:26.17 | slaxxin | scp -r includes subfol;ders |
| 21:26.53 | slaxxin | scp -r music root@192.168.0.202:/media/card/music |
| 21:28.06 | slaxxin | scp -r music root@192.168.0.202:/media/card/ |
| 21:28.26 | slaxxin | i need debian help |
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| 21:29.42 | slaxxin | scp from host to freerunner |
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| 21:32.52 | Weiss | whooops - just performed an accidental GTA02 physical robustness test |
| 21:33.15 | Zilla | And did it passed ? |
| 21:34.15 | Weiss | it did |
| 21:34.33 | Zilla | did you dropped it? |
| 21:35.01 | Weiss | accidentally yanked the USB cable, flipping it from my desk onto the floor |
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| 21:35.19 | Zilla | well an drop of less than 1 mtr |
| 21:35.40 | Weiss | yes, but quite rapid |
| 21:35.47 | Weiss | hopefully no further tests will be required... |
| 21:35.53 | Zilla | you hapy it did passed :) |
| 21:35.55 | Zilla | *happy |
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| 21:37.05 | Staticwave_Ace | done that one several times |
| 21:37.28 | Staticwave_Ace | the location of the USB plug ensure optimal spinning to prevent last-second catches |
| 21:37.29 | Weiss | is more pleased that it passed his (intentional) phone and SMS tests :) |
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| 21:37.41 | Staticwave_Ace | hrm |
| 21:37.53 | Staticwave_Ace | shoehorned newest dailybuild kernel into qtopia |
| 21:38.03 | Staticwave_Ace | no more kernel warning/oops stuff in the logs |
| 21:38.42 | Staticwave_Ace | anyone know how to prevent bluetooth from powering up everytime with qtopia? |
| 21:38.49 | dolf1074 | anyone using the stable repository of the om2008.8? When was the last update you had? |
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| 21:40.56 | Weiss | dolf1074: haven't had any at all since flashing the image yesterday, if that helps |
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| 21:42.17 | tomboy64 | is there an opkg available with the glamo-enabled mplayer? |
| 21:42.23 | dolf1074 | thanks, but I would like to know it for a longer period. I had mine last on 4 sept and aren't getting any now. |
| 21:42.31 | tomboy64 | e.g. with glamos mpeg4-support compiled in |
| 21:51.16 | slaxxin | if that had been an iphone the screec would be bronen |
| 21:51.32 | slaxxin | screen broken |
| 21:51.49 | slaxxin | hair nip |
| 21:54.06 | |FiLiP| | Staticwave_Ace: still here ? |
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| 21:55.08 | Staticwave_Ace | |FiLiP|: yup |
| 21:55.37 | |FiLiP| | so you're using qtopia , what's your experience with battery life ? |
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| 21:55.54 | Staticwave_Ace | its good after you realize that suspend is off by default |
| 21:56.13 | |FiLiP| | I re-flashed mine with latest qtopia yesterday, and it has been runnin for >24 hours now , and battery indicator is still at 80% |
| 21:57.01 | |FiLiP| | that is: registered to network, almost not using it, only received 1 sms, bluetooth off, wifi off |
| 21:57.31 | Staticwave_Ace | I think it still eating SMS' once in awhile |
| 21:59.22 | |FiLiP| | in my opinion, it's pretty stable and usable as a phone |
| 21:59.32 | Staticwave_Ace | agreed |
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| 21:59.40 | Zilla | well a phone is used to text and dailing |
| 21:59.43 | |FiLiP| | only lacks some applications (decent email client, webbrowser, ...) |
| 21:59.50 | Zilla | so if it can do both its an phone ;) |
| 22:00.20 | Staticwave_Ace | |FiLiP|: lpotter keeps promising some new and great things from 4.4 |
| 22:00.24 | Staticwave_Ace | like a webkit browser |
| 22:00.40 | |FiLiP| | 4.4 will include webbrowser |
| 22:01.03 | FxChiP | 4.4? |
| 22:01.13 | |FiLiP| | qtopia4.4 that is |
| 22:01.17 | Staticwave_Ace | yeah |
| 22:01.34 | Staticwave_Ace | if you follow the community mailing list, lpotter keeps dropping hints about the new features in 4.4 |
| 22:01.44 | Staticwave_Ace | screen rotation, webkit browser |
| 22:01.48 | Staticwave_Ace | tries to think what else |
| 22:01.49 | |FiLiP| | and he should know;-) |
| 22:02.03 | dolf1074 | and when can we expect it? |
| 22:02.05 | Staticwave_Ace | he promised to look into getting the sync protocol gpl'd |
| 22:02.14 | Staticwave_Ace | dolf1074: "soon" |
| 22:02.21 | dolf1074 | nice |
| 22:02.28 | ljp | sync protocol IS gpl. its the desktop side that runs on windows that isn;t |
| 22:02.53 | Staticwave_Ace | ah |
| 22:02.56 | |FiLiP| | if i'm not mistaken, there is no desktop app that sync with the current phone |
| 22:02.58 | Staticwave_Ace | I misunderstood |
| 22:03.22 | |FiLiP| | de only desktop sync was or an older version, and is not compatible |
| 22:03.38 | dolf1074 | qtopia is rapidly releasing, their previously release was on 28 aug |
| 22:03.43 | ljp | there is a desktop app. it is only for windows, and it isnt gpl |
| 22:04.01 | |FiLiP| | but it does not sync with 4.x, or does it ? |
| 22:04.09 | Zilla | a linux based phone and an sync app only for windows.... |
| 22:04.17 | Zilla | sounds creepy |
| 22:04.20 | ljp | 28 aug is only a patch release. the upcoming 4.4 is a feature release |
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| 22:04.48 | ljp | Zilla: why is that? 97% of all desktop computers run windows |
| 22:05.08 | Zilla | well linux based phone should have an linux sync app |
| 22:05.15 | Zilla | and yeah my pc runs windows atm :) |
| 22:05.24 | dolf1074 | still, it's 2 releases that coming rapid. Mozilla himself had problems with 3 releases in one moth |
| 22:05.31 | Zilla | but where can i find thad sync app? |
| 22:05.48 | |FiLiP| | on the otherhand, i installed an FSO snapshot the day before, and I liked it. Speed was ok, looked nice and easier to port existing applications |
| 22:06.08 | ljp | the sync protocol is published, anyone can write a sync app for qtopia |
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| 22:06.25 | Zilla | fso == ?? |
| 22:06.31 | Zilla | fass software update? |
| 22:06.35 | Zilla | *fall |
| 22:06.39 | scarlson_ | The older distro had a fullscreen toggle did it not? (AUX button).. Does anyone know the interface/api to access such things as hiding the title bar,? |
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| 22:06.58 | Staticwave_Ace | forwards http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/qtopiadesktop/overviews.html to the OpenSync guys |
| 22:07.02 | Zilla | there are qtopia sync apps right now |
| 22:07.03 | |FiLiP| | FSO is an abbreviation for FreeSmartphone.Org. With FSO, Openmoko is working on a stable system services software back-end. |
| 22:07.08 | Zilla | ah |
| 22:07.12 | ljp | |FiLiP|: that depends on the app |
| 22:07.52 | ljp | any Qt app can be 'ported' to qtopia easily. I have done it many times |
| 22:07.59 | Staticwave_Ace | http://qtopiasync.blogspot.com/ |
| 22:08.19 | |FiLiP| | sure, but FSO can run qtopia, GTK+, X11 apps |
| 22:08.36 | |FiLiP| | yes, but not all apps are QT apps. |
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| 22:09.52 | ljp | so |
| 22:10.37 | |FiLiP| | ljp: will you be attending the dev days in Munich ? |
| 22:10.57 | ljp | |FiLiP|:not this year |
| 22:12.15 | |FiLiP| | did Trolltech/Nokia sign the NDA for the glamo ? |
| 22:12.43 | ljp | no. smedia wanted $12,000 just for the spec document |
| 22:12.58 | |FiLiP| | so the current qtopia image is not using any graphics acceleration ? |
| 22:13.23 | |FiLiP| | in other words, it could even run smoother |
| 22:13.23 | ljp | nope |
| 22:13.30 | ljp | possibly |
| 22:13.49 | ljp | prelinking makes it faster as well |
| 22:14.02 | Staticwave_Ace | hrmm |
| 22:14.04 | Staticwave_Ace | prelinking |
| 22:14.15 | ljp | the current 4.3.2 release image at qtopia.net is prelinked |
| 22:14.15 | Staticwave_Ace | can the desktop-style prelink be used? |
| 22:14.33 | ljp | what do you mean desltop style? |
| 22:14.39 | ljp | there is onyl one way to prelink :) |
| 22:14.45 | slaxxin | o noosss ims going back to qtopia |
| 22:14.45 | Staticwave_Ace | ah |
| 22:15.17 | ljp | trouble is you have to run the prelink any time you update |
| 22:15.28 | Staticwave_Ace | yup |
| 22:15.32 | Staticwave_Ace | I know (run gentoo) |
| 22:15.45 | ljp | I found it makes it really snappy |
| 22:15.59 | |FiLiP| | indeed, it is |
| 22:16.13 | ljp | of course, I had to manuall compile the prelink app as its not even in oe |
| 22:16.25 | Staticwave_Ace | speaking of OE |
| 22:16.26 | Staticwave_Ace | why OE? |
| 22:16.32 | slaxxin | will qtopia find me debian on sdcard ok? |
| 22:16.51 | ljp | because openmoko uses OE to build its packages/ |
| 22:17.02 | Staticwave_Ace | OE seems like a very old and odd system base |
| 22:17.51 | Staticwave_Ace | I see there's some sparse gentoo instructions now |
| 22:17.55 | Staticwave_Ace | I'm wondering how their base is |
| 22:18.05 | Staticwave_Ace | their desktop installs are pretty lean |
| 22:18.20 | slaxxin | how lean |
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| 22:18.46 | slaxxin | 100 megs? |
| 22:18.54 | slaxxin | 200? |
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| 22:19.18 | Staticwave_Ace | stage3 compressed is 114681 KB |
| 22:19.26 | Staticwave_Ace | and that includes gcc and all the dev libs |
| 22:19.34 | slaxxin | x? |
| 22:19.37 | Staticwave_Ace | you could use catylist to build a system without all the build deps |
| 22:19.38 | Staticwave_Ace | no X |
| 22:19.47 | Staticwave_Ace | its a *base* system |
| 22:19.57 | Staticwave_Ace | stick everything in afterwards |
| 22:20.04 | |FiLiP| | ljp: will the web-browser be (based on) midori or a Nokia one ? (or no comment ;-) |
| 22:20.23 | Staticwave_Ace | slaxxin: and that's x86 of course |
| 22:21.01 | ljp | |FiLiP|: neither. based on webkit. the front end in qotpia is only a simple example. |
| 22:21.06 | ljp | qtopia, that is |
| 22:21.06 | enrico | Is there a way to tell the qtopia handwriting recognition not to be predictive? It's quite good in understanding what I write, but prediction makes it worse |
| 22:21.14 | Staticwave_Ace | slaxxin: http://torindel.sezamkowa.net/openmoko/armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi/~arm/ gentoo stages for Freerunner |
| 22:21.45 | ljp | enrico: yes |
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| 22:22.35 | enrico | ljp: how? |
| 22:22.53 | slaxxin | so it is a nokia open source project |
| 22:24.38 | ljp | do a triangle starting at the bottom left, move across to the right, up then down |
| 22:24.45 | ljp | twice :) |
| 22:25.10 | ljp | you'll see a very tiny small icon with 4 images to change |
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| 22:25.28 | Staticwave_Ace | has to unlearn grafitti so he can use this predictive writing thing |
| 22:25.33 | ljp | slaxxin: qtopia is open source |
| 22:25.38 | torindel | Staticwave_Ace: you dont use catalyst for that, you just specify diffrent ROOT and INSTALL_MASK and merge binary packages to diffrent directory |
| 22:25.44 | enrico | ljp: thanks |
| 22:25.51 | torindel | you can skip compiler and things you dont need |
| 22:26.11 | Staticwave_Ace | torindel: well I'm just guessing :) I haven't done a crossbuild install before |
| 22:26.19 | Staticwave_Ace | torindel: I assume you hav? |
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| 22:26.41 | torindel | Staticwave_Ace: you dont need crossbuild for that you can do it from that stage |
| 22:27.29 | torindel | (emerge to diffrent dir and when you got all you need you can delete unpacked stage and just use that dir) |
| 22:27.55 | torindel | Staticwave_Ace: and as you see i did since we got that stage from somewhere ;] |
| 22:28.03 | torindel | stages* |
| 22:28.07 | Staticwave_Ace | indeed |
| 22:28.18 | Staticwave_Ace | I'm gonna try and get this running right now |
| 22:28.29 | enrico | ljp: thanks *a lot*! |
| 22:28.36 | torindel | slaxxin: as for X you got them in binary packages too |
| 22:29.00 | Staticwave_Ace | torindel: so are you providing a binhost for this? |
| 22:29.11 | ljp | enrico: no problem :) |
| 22:30.58 | torindel | Staticwave_Ace: yep |
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| 22:31.24 | torindel | (well binaries itself, host is not mine) |
| 22:32.03 | Staticwave_Ace | so manually building? |
| 22:33.09 | torindel | Staticwave_Ace: normall build with emerge |
| 22:33.21 | Staticwave_Ace | ah, so only what you've built so far |
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| 22:34.24 | torindel | Staticwave_Ace: i'm building other things atm |
| 22:34.44 | cyrilbadaut | edistar : it almost works.. |
| 22:34.55 | torindel | trying to get uclibc stage |
| 22:35.00 | cyrilbadaut | but a probleme I don't have my wifi connection |
| 22:35.26 | cyrilbadaut | Tigl : I can use ubuntu but no wifi |
| 22:35.37 | Staticwave_Ace | torindel: I was thinking that's a better choice |
| 22:36.03 | torindel | Staticwave_Ace: and more pain in a ass to build |
| 22:36.18 | Staticwave_Ace | I'm going to try to read up more on this, I'd like to help out moko stuff, and my gentoo experience would transfer well |
| 22:36.47 | torindel | Staticwave_Ace: as for that stage used no patches (or near to no patches), uclibc stage will be one big patch -__- |
| 22:36.58 | cyrilbadaut | that's all for tonigh |
| 22:37.09 | cyrilbadaut | edistar : go to bed see you |
| 22:37.26 | cyrilbadaut | Tigl_ : go to bed see you |
| 22:37.54 | torindel | Staticwave_Ace: you can use that stage to setup qemu build box too |
| 22:38.11 | Staticwave_Ace | hrm |
| 22:38.14 | Staticwave_Ace | that could work |
| 22:38.25 | Staticwave_Ace | is that easier than a real crosscompile system? |
| 22:38.27 | torindel | (somethings need to run confiure natively) |
| 22:38.32 | torindel | yes |
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| 22:45.20 | Staticwave_Ace | oh dear |
| 22:45.21 | Staticwave_Ace | out of space |
| 22:45.33 | Staticwave_Ace | needs > 512mb card? |
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| 22:48.20 | torindel | Staticwave_Ace: portage is 600MB ;] |
| 22:48.59 | torindel | if you skip portage and copy things you only need you should fit |
| 22:49.03 | hipitihop | what is involved to setup an environment on my ubuntu desktop so that I can compile from source for the fr ? |
| 22:49.08 | torindel | (use INSTALL_MASK) |
| 22:50.09 | torindel | Staticwave_Ace: if you have gentoo on your home computer you can prepare ministage with use of packages too |
| 22:50.21 | torindel | (binary emerge with ROOT=) |
| 22:51.17 | hipitihop | I just want to bring across the odd thing not yet available as a package for 2008.8 e.g bsdgames |
| 22:51.28 | Staticwave_Ace | torindel: finally, a reason to buy an 8gig microSD |
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| 22:52.46 | torindel | Staticwave_Ace: 8GB kingston here ;] |
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| 23:18.14 | hipitihop | does anyone know if the latest qtopia image supports bluetooth headset for making/taking calls ? |
| 23:18.54 | mjr | ljp probably |
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| 23:47.32 | torpor | hi all |
| 23:47.51 | torpor | anyone awake? |
| 23:51.18 | weirdedout | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:55.00 | Dave | We hear you. |
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| 23:59.42 | torindel | yawns |
| 23:59.54 | Dave | moos |
