| 00:00.01 | MichaelShiloh | using dfu-util, user gets "Starting download: [dfu_download error -71" |
| 00:00.28 | MichaelShiloh | what's weird is that the user had been using dfu-util for awhile, and it worked fine. what could have changed? |
| 00:00.58 | MichaelShiloh | hey johngay. 2 years - is that how long i've been involved in om? |
| 00:01.03 | white_gecko | cool, I have ssh via wifi again :-) |
| 00:01.39 | MichaelShiloh | ShellEvil: drumroll usually comes before a punch line. i'm waiting for some horrible pun on UPC and GPS... |
| 00:02.18 | ShellEvil | mickey|bbl: not really |
| 00:02.23 | ShellEvil | michae: |
| 00:02.48 | ShellEvil | All I was thinking was a 'point at item in shop', and it shows which local shops have it cheaper. |
| 00:03.37 | ShellEvil | As to teh DFU. Have they unplugged all other DFU devices, and plugged it into a port not through a hub? |
| 00:03.51 | ShellEvil | Some reports have that working. |
| 00:03.52 | MichaelShiloh | ShellEvil: i've heard that concept before. doesn't some phone have it? some phones can use the camera to read UPC (i'm told - i certainly don't own one that fine) |
| 00:04.34 | ShellEvil | MichaelShiloh: I presume so - it's not an especially magical concept - I haven't heard it collaborative and map added to the mix though. |
| 00:04.39 | MichaelShiloh | ShellEvil: good advice re unplugging other devices and removing hubs. we'll try. |
| 00:05.06 | ShellEvil | I hate magic 'fail' numbers. |
| 00:05.31 | MichaelShiloh | ShellEvil: here's a social twist: point at a product, and find out which of your friends has half a box left over that they don't plan to use :-) |
| 00:05.45 | ShellEvil | MichaelShiloh: true. Or collaborative shopping. |
| 00:06.04 | ShellEvil | MichaelShiloh: both share a shopping list, which ticks off automatically as eitehr of you pick up an item. |
| 00:06.12 | MichaelShiloh | ShellEvil: excellent idea! buy in bulk and share among your friends who use the same product! i like it |
| 00:07.23 | ShellEvil | I'm astonished that none of the supermarkets in my area has worked out that making delivery slots cheaper if someone near you has a delivery coming at the same time isn't a good idea. |
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| 00:09.43 | MichaelShiloh | ShellEvil: that might involve too complicated math. |
| 00:10.13 | MichaelShiloh | johngay: so is it through om that you've been following me or elsewhere? |
| 00:10.50 | UndrWater | stalking? :-O :) |
| 00:12.45 | johngay | Just om. I was hoping to get a FreeRunner last year, but then it kept slipping, then steve started to update the community page, then I just monitored the mailing list. |
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| 00:15.20 | johngay | Has the user copied and pasted the error message? |
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| 00:16.17 | johngay | I'm looking through the sources, but I can't find [dfu_download error |
| 00:17.51 | MichaelShiloh | johngay: I believe the error code is C&P, but let's check w/ the user |
| 00:18.12 | MichaelShiloh | johngay: try grepping w/out the [ |
| 00:18.28 | Dave | speedevil, do you eat the amount of five men? :) |
| 00:18.41 | johngay | I'm not grepping, I'm reading (-; |
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| 00:22.51 | MichaelShiloh | johngay: oh. well then i guess your eyes would do the fuzzy pattern matching. |
| 00:24.39 | johngay | I think I see the line that might create that error. Don't know where the -711 is coming from though. |
| 00:26.02 | torindel | johngay: probably uboot |
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| 00:32.53 | johngay | Well, I see printf("Starting download: ["); in sam7dfu.c |
| 00:34.25 | johngay | Then I find fprintf( stderr, "%s error %d\n", __FUNCTION__, status ); in dfu.c in function name dfu_download(), but I don't know what status should be or how it can be getting -71. |
| 00:36.09 | johngay | But I'm no great programmer. I just figured I look through the sources to see what I could see. |
| 00:38.23 | UndrWater | if what torindel referred to, you may need to look at uboot source ;) |
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| 00:39.53 | johngay | After all, I use to be a sailor and I went to sea (-; |
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| 00:47.50 | qknight | Infoport: you can modify your /etc/interfaces |
| 00:48.15 | qknight | can one help me with gpsd |
| 00:48.24 | qknight | my navigation software can't find the gpsd daemon |
| 00:48.29 | qknight | it works with locations |
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| 00:49.27 | qknight | but it does not for http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TangoGPS#Downloading_Maps_for_offline_use |
| 00:49.30 | qknight | tangogps |
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| 00:50.26 | UndrWater | qknight: apparently "locations" does not use gpsd |
| 00:50.37 | UndrWater | so you'll have to install gpsd for tangogps to work |
| 00:50.51 | qknight | i have |
| 00:50.54 | qknight | i even started it |
| 00:51.05 | qknight | but netstat doesn't tell me any open port on port 2947 |
| 00:51.16 | qknight | gpspipe -r 127.0.0.1 2947 |
| 00:51.20 | qknight | is what i found?! |
| 00:51.23 | qknight | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS#Basic_Setup |
| 00:51.27 | qknight | but what is gpspipe?! |
| 00:52.29 | UndrWater | what's in your /etc/default/gpsd |
| 00:53.08 | qknight | oh no |
| 00:53.12 | qknight | my gta crashed |
| 00:54.09 | qknight | reboot |
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| 01:06.13 | qknight | after a reboot it was working |
| 01:06.16 | qknight | don't know why |
| 01:06.23 | qknight | but tangogps crashes quite often |
| 01:06.29 | qknight | and the interface is borked here |
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| 01:09.38 | hipitihop | white_gecko, did you have problem to ssh via wifii ? |
| 01:09.51 | white_gecko | i had |
| 01:09.55 | white_gecko | but now it works |
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| 01:10.29 | white_gecko | hipitihop: [02:01] <white_gecko> cool, I have ssh via wifi again |
| 01:11.35 | hipitihop | white_gecko, what was the problem ? |
| 01:12.09 | white_gecko | i had to add the IP if the wifi device (eth0) to /etc/default/dropbear |
| 01:12.21 | white_gecko | now i have |
| 01:12.22 | white_gecko | # cat /etc/default/dropbear |
| 01:12.24 | white_gecko | DROPBEAR_PORT=`ip addr list eth0 | awk 'BEGIN { FS="[ /]+" } /inet / { print $3 }'`:22 |
| 01:12.25 | white_gecko | DROPBEAR_PORT=`ip addr list usb0 | awk 'BEGIN { FS="[ /]+" } /inet / { print $3 }'`:22 |
| 01:12.30 | MichaelShiloh | johngay: thanks for your help. i'll take a look at that. |
| 01:13.30 | RayDar | shouldn't I see some GPS data if I cat /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 01:13.37 | hipitihop | white_gecko, ah sounds like what I'm looking for. I did an update and when I ifup my eth0 I coul dno lnger ssh in acroiss the wifi, connection would get refused |
| 01:13.56 | white_gecko | yes same for me |
| 01:14.02 | hipitihop | shakes his head at the keyboards poor ability to spell |
| 01:14.56 | white_gecko | hipithop: it was because of this checkin http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a6b33a98de5d44db05a771bc1f5d4df532be216 |
| 01:15.03 | white_gecko | better commit ;-) |
| 01:18.00 | SpeedEvil | raynet: if you turn it on |
| 01:18.06 | hipitihop | white_gecko, understand, considering there is no root password it probably is a reasonable change for security sake |
| 01:18.29 | white_gecko | yes |
| 01:18.36 | white_gecko | but i have set a root password |
| 01:19.23 | jancona | What package has a man command for 2008.8? |
| 01:20.05 | white_gecko | hipitihop: i use the wifi, because i think it is fastern than usb1.1 and the phone charges faster with the wall charger, than at my laptop |
| 01:21.18 | hipitihop | jancona, check packages in http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/ but I haven't tried 'man' |
| 01:22.18 | hipitihop | white_gecko, sounds reasonable. After adding that to the dropbear does anything need restarting ? |
| 01:23.03 | white_gecko | hipitihop: i don't know but i think the dropbear needs to be restarted |
| 01:23.15 | jancona | hipitihop: Tnx, I'll check it out |
| 01:23.25 | white_gecko | i've done it with "killall dropbear && dropbear" |
| 01:23.52 | johngay | OK. Based on http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/676 I can't currently make a back-up of my running system, right? |
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| 01:29.38 | johngay | I was hoping to try raster's image, but since it's jffs2 format and I don't have the tools to convert it to tar format, I was hoping to back-up my running 2007 system to SD Card, flash rasters image to my phone and try it out, having my back-up ready to boot from SD Card if needed. But looks like it'll take longer than I anticipated. So I'll wait 'till the weekend to try it. |
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| 01:38.48 | white_gecko | good night |
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| 01:39.05 | johngay | Nite all. |
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| 01:56.56 | hipitihop | nite |
| 01:57.39 | Dave | GOODNIGHT |
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| 03:09.08 | hipitihop | I have added the fllowing to my fstab but get error "unknown filesystem nfs" this is on 208.8-updated what package do I need ? |
| 03:09.13 | hipitihop | 192.168.0.101:/media/Music/mnt/music-archivenfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr |
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| 03:09.57 | SpeedEvil | have you got nfs module? |
| 03:10.11 | hipitihop | SpeedEvil, apparently not |
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| 03:10.33 | hipitihop | is that a package or an actual module |
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| 03:15.05 | hipitihop | SpeedEvil, is that http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/om-gta02/kernel-module-nfsd_2.6.24+git55+a1e97c611253511ffc2d8c45e3e6d6894fa03fa3-r2_om-gta02.ipk ? |
| 03:17.18 | SpeedEvil | don't know. |
| 03:17.22 | SpeedEvil | Sounds plausible. |
| 03:18.10 | pjz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.14 | pjz | with --list showing multiple lines for the moko, one per NAND partition? |
| 03:20.15 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03charlie137 * r1d13b889cbee 10/src/applications/addressbook/ (addressbook.cpp addressbook.h): [addressbook] Shows a warning if we try to add a contact when an other contact has the same name. |
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| 03:22.00 | hipitihop | I'm not sure if this has been disusse dbefore, but why is the fr using non standard headphone plug ? and what are the specifications so that I can get an addapter |
| 03:22.13 | SpeedEvil | hipitihop: on the wiki - it's not non-standard |
| 03:22.20 | SpeedEvil | hipitihop: it's as used on many phones |
| 03:22.27 | SpeedEvil | for the mic in the headset |
| 03:23.21 | rooly | hey hey hey |
| 03:23.24 | rooly | guess what |
| 03:23.24 | hipitihop | SpeedEvil, I see and understand. I assume I can get an ssimple adapter to 3.5mm stereo audio |
| 03:23.26 | rooly | cool story |
| 03:23.32 | rooly | i went to best buy |
| 03:23.43 | rooly | and one of the employees in the cell phone departmenet recognized my phone |
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| 03:25.32 | SpeedEvil | hipitihop: very cheaply on ebay |
| 03:25.39 | pjz | rooly: woo! no one ever knows wtf my phone is :) |
| 03:25.58 | rooly | i've found 4 people so far |
| 03:26.01 | rooly | 1 from best buy |
| 03:26.10 | rooly | and 3 from my school's CS department |
| 03:26.19 | pjz | anyone got a phone handy and able to put it in dfu mode long enough to do a 'dfu-util --list' for me? |
| 03:26.28 | pjz | wants to see if he's insane or what. |
| 03:26.34 | hipitihop | pjz, isn't that cooler then "yeh yeh, everyone has one of those" |
| 03:26.54 | FxChiP | Yeah, you get the one guy who knows what a FreeRunner or Neo1973 is |
| 03:27.02 | FxChiP | And usually that one guy wants or owns one himself |
| 03:27.09 | rooly | i'm not sure but i think i'm still the only one who has one in the state of louisiana |
| 03:27.24 | FxChiP | There should be some specific protocols available exclusively to FreeRunner owners or something |
| 03:27.24 | FxChiP | :P |
| 03:27.50 | pjz | FxChiP: there's some kind of friend locator thingy for the gps, isn't there? |
| 03:27.59 | rooly | tango |
| 03:28.08 | rooly | but that also works on standard linux and eeepc |
| 03:28.21 | pjz | oh? I've never run tango on one of those |
| 03:28.27 | rooly | me neither |
| 03:28.28 | pjz | has no gps other than his openmoko |
| 03:28.32 | rooly | but that's not the point |
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| 03:36.18 | slaxxin | yea the girl at at&t store had already changed 1 sim for somebody headed to dallas from up north an had already seen 1 |
| 03:36.53 | Sargun | huh |
| 03:37.10 | slaxxin | i was like wow i thiught i was the only one in arkansas with an openmoko |
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| 03:38.47 | Staticwave_Ace | has anyone got the phone to actually ring using the newest qtopia snapshot? |
| 03:39.32 | rooly | not i said the dog. i've been sticking to the tried and true om2007 |
| 03:45.07 | lpotter | yes |
| 03:45.22 | lpotter | yours does not ring when a call comes in? |
| 03:45.33 | Staticwave_Ace | lpotter: nope, it just vibrates |
| 03:45.50 | Staticwave_Ace | just did a fresh reflash of it to be sure I didn't mess with anything |
| 03:46.03 | pjz | Staticwave_Ace: did you check how hte default profile is set? |
| 03:46.24 | Staticwave_Ace | pjz: profile "General" is set |
| 03:48.18 | slaxxin | sound problem arises again |
| 03:48.30 | slaxxin | an thats a problem |
| 03:48.41 | Staticwave_Ace | sound is kinda important |
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| 03:48.51 | lpotter | heh.. works fine here |
| 03:49.11 | Staticwave_Ace | steps taken, "nand erase kernel, nand erase rootfs" |
| 03:49.13 | slaxxin | ace is it after suspend? |
| 03:49.14 | pjz | had to go in and tweak up the volulme |
| 03:49.25 | Staticwave_Ace | update to latest daily uboot, and qtopia snapshot |
| 03:49.35 | slaxxin | 4.3.3? |
| 03:49.45 | Staticwave_Ace | slaxxin: its been plugged in since I updated, so I don't believe its suspended yet |
| 03:49.55 | Staticwave_Ace | qtopia-4.3.3-snapshot-09012242-gta02-flash.tgz |
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| 03:51.09 | Staticwave_Ace | pjz: to even get it to ring? |
| 03:52.34 | pjz | Staticwave_Ace: no, just to be able to hear the person on the other end of the call |
| 03:52.39 | Staticwave_Ace | ah |
| 03:52.54 | Staticwave_Ace | I saw a post about that, I did do that in the previous install |
| 03:53.06 | Staticwave_Ace | but I've just noticed it doesn't ring |
| 03:53.10 | Staticwave_Ace | which is kinda important |
| 03:53.14 | pjz | Staticwave_Ace: they were all but inaudible; I had to tweak the 'Speaker Playback Volume' up to 127 from 100 |
| 03:55.45 | Staticwave_Ace | woo |
| 03:55.54 | Staticwave_Ace | found the instructions for the handwriting recognition |
| 03:55.59 | Staticwave_Ace | that is *hard* to find |
| 03:57.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03charlie137 * ra55919651c04 10/src/applications/addressbook/addressbook.cpp: [addressbook] Don't show the group SetRingTone action in the menu. |
| 03:58.22 | slaxxin | whats the path? |
| 03:58.31 | Staticwave_Ace | http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/inputmethods-description.html |
| 03:58.38 | Staticwave_Ace | its not exactly comprehensive |
| 03:59.10 | Staticwave_Ace | but its better than the none I had before |
| 03:59.21 | Staticwave_Ace | now I just have to unlearn grafitti |
| 03:59.31 | pjz | anyone know how to set up the testing feed for fso? |
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| 04:00.15 | Staticwave_Ace | http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/ |
| 04:00.35 | Staticwave_Ace | all the standard-named repos are there |
| 04:01.25 | pjz | Staticwave_Ace: so I nuke all the other feeds in my /etc/opkg dir and add those? |
| 04:01.33 | Staticwave_Ace | yup |
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| 04:02.28 | slaxxin | u got wifi working? |
| 04:02.44 | Staticwave_Ace | 2007.2 and 2008.8 worked somewhat |
| 04:02.45 | Staticwave_Ace | sometimes |
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| 04:02.56 | Staticwave_Ace | didn't work with my wrt54g though |
| 04:03.02 | Staticwave_Ace | pending bug on that one |
| 04:03.13 | slaxxin | i mean qtopia? |
| 04:03.15 | Staticwave_Ace | saw something on the devel list about a reimplemented wifi driver |
| 04:03.38 | Staticwave_Ace | slaxxin: no point with no useable web programs |
| 04:04.29 | pjz | Staticwave_Ace: so I have to add all the subdirs (all, armv4t, neo1973, etc) separately? |
| 04:04.45 | Staticwave_Ace | other bugs: qtopia won't shutdown the phone, the unlock PIN dialog is infuriating |
| 04:05.00 | Staticwave_Ace | pjz: single file, or all in one works the same way |
| 04:05.47 | pjz | Staticwave_Ace: okay, and if I've got a gta02, do I need the neo1973 and gta01 feeds? |
| 04:06.20 | Staticwave_Ace | I don't believe so |
| 04:06.36 | Staticwave_Ace | I always try to reproduce the repos that were originally there |
| 04:06.45 | Staticwave_Ace | and there is a neo one |
| 04:08.21 | pjz | hrm, now opkg segfaults if I try and 'opkg upgrade' |
| 04:08.32 | Staticwave_Ace | pjz: what base install are you using? |
| 04:08.36 | rooly | http://maketecheasier.com/turn-your-ubuntu-hardy-to-mac-osx-leopard/2008/07/23 |
| 04:08.41 | rooly | say hello to my new theme |
| 04:08.45 | rooly | tee hee |
| 04:08.55 | rooly | i hate mac people sometimes, so i'm gonna blow their mnd |
| 04:08.55 | Staticwave_Ace | meh |
| 04:08.56 | rooly | *mind |
| 04:09.02 | Staticwave_Ace | too much eye candy |
| 04:09.03 | pjz | Staticwave_Ace: fso m2 |
| 04:09.17 | rooly | i agree, Staticwave_Ace, but it's for the peoople around me |
| 04:09.22 | rooly | to see the look on their face |
| 04:09.31 | Staticwave_Ace | pjz: well there are fso-testing images at http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/images/neo1973/ |
| 04:10.01 | Staticwave_Ace | oookay, did a shutdown now on qtopia and now I can't ssh |
| 04:10.05 | Staticwave_Ace | but its still on |
| 04:10.39 | Staticwave_Ace | and "shutdown device" does nothing |
| 04:10.41 | Staticwave_Ace | lovely |
| 04:11.39 | pjz | Staticwave_Ace: you want 'shutdown -h no w' |
| 04:11.46 | pjz | Staticwave_Ace: er, no space between no and w |
| 04:11.51 | Staticwave_Ace | yeah |
| 04:11.52 | pjz | Staticwave_Ace: shutdown -h now |
| 04:11.59 | Staticwave_Ace | but what's interesting is qtopia won't shutdown the phone |
| 04:12.18 | pjz | must be running 4.3.2, has none of these problems |
| 04:12.30 | rooly | must be using om2007 |
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| 04:12.38 | rooly | he doesn't have any of these problems either |
| 04:12.58 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * rbbccdc8aa666 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [illume-config] remove unused illume-config-asu form task-openmoko-asu.bb |
| 04:12.59 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r1d20e6d3c146 10/packages/efl1/edje_svn.bb: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev |
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| 04:15.24 | Staticwave_Ace | and reboot |
| 04:15.26 | Staticwave_Ace | and now it works |
| 04:15.28 | Staticwave_Ace | *sigh* |
| 04:24.48 | phrozen77_ | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180285661027&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=008 |
| 04:25.02 | pjz | interesting. qtopai seems to usb-network-xfer around 1.5-2x as fast as fsom2 |
| 04:26.50 | pjz | trolltech should put pyqt on their qtopia distro |
| 04:27.20 | lpotter | why? |
| 04:27.49 | pjz | so folk can more easily write apps for it |
| 04:28.05 | lpotter | qt and qtopia are easy enough |
| 04:28.54 | Staticwave_Ace | lpotter: pyqt doesn't need a toolchain |
| 04:28.59 | Staticwave_Ace | you can just write and run |
| 04:29.19 | lpotter | and it uses more memory and resources as well |
| 04:29.47 | lpotter | perl can do the same as python |
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| 04:30.49 | lpotter | besides, they would not be integrated into qtopia, unless someone write some qtopia bindings as well |
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| 04:32.48 | Staticwave_Ace | well I agree it does take more resources, and that perl can do the same thing |
| 04:32.58 | Staticwave_Ace | people love python for some reason |
| 04:33.04 | FxChiP | loves Python |
| 04:33.15 | lpotter | same reason why people loved perl ages ago... |
| 04:33.27 | FxChiP | Python's a fun language |
| 04:33.35 | FxChiP | And stuff makes sense in it |
| 04:33.39 | lpotter | i owuld beg to differ.. |
| 04:34.03 | FxChiP | Just as I would about Perl |
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| 04:34.07 | lpotter | python needs to ignore white space |
| 04:34.12 | FxChiP | Which is can be really weird sometimes. |
| 04:34.15 | FxChiP | Also, no, Python does not |
| 04:34.19 | lpotter | yep |
| 04:34.25 | lpotter | :) |
| 04:34.36 | FxChiP | Python's enforcement of whitespace = holy shit I can read peoples' code *GASP* |
| 04:35.00 | FxChiP | Such a new concept, being able to read cod |
| 04:35.02 | FxChiP | code* |
| 04:35.04 | FxChiP | :/ |
| 04:35.26 | lpotter | thats just silly |
| 04:35.34 | kgoetz | 14:03 < lpotter> same reason why people loved perl ages ago... |
| 04:35.39 | kgoetz | whys that? :) |
| 04:35.41 | FxChiP | no |
| 04:35.47 | FxChiP | what's silly is that no one seems to write readable perl |
| 04:35.48 | Staticwave_Ace | yes, white space enforcement BAD |
| 04:36.12 | lpotter | i didnt say perl was good... |
| 04:36.18 | SpeedEvil | piscomancy! |
| 04:36.22 | SpeedEvil | (reading cod) |
| 04:36.25 | lpotter | there's a reason I switched to c++ |
| 04:36.28 | FxChiP | (haha) |
| 04:36.33 | kgoetz | lpotter: no you didnt. |
| 04:36.36 | kgoetz | didnt say you did |
| 04:37.02 | FxChiP | How is white space enforcement bad? |
| 04:37.20 | lpotter | kgoetz: i dont have anything against perl. :) |
| 04:37.30 | Staticwave_Ace | FxChiP: because I grew up on C |
| 04:37.33 | lpotter | its quite like c++ syntax |
| 04:37.45 | kgoetz | lpotter: i was just wondering what that reason people liked them was |
| 04:37.46 | FxChiP | as did I |
| 04:38.02 | lpotter | kgoetz: because its new and popular |
| 04:38.07 | FxChiP | C and PHP, mainly |
| 04:38.09 | kgoetz | lpotter: ah. nod. |
| 04:39.01 | lpotter | I am just comparing the enthusiasm around pythin is the same is it was around perl |
| 04:39.33 | FxChiP | Tcl never had such a following for such a reason :/ |
| 04:39.33 | lpotter | sure.. you can do gui stuff.. but ...why? |
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| 04:51.17 | pjz | wow, nice data corruption writing to SD |
| 04:52.34 | pjz | er, microSD I guess |
| 04:53.06 | daMaestro | Dave, ping |
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| 05:21.25 | kgoetz | hi all |
| 05:22.04 | kgoetz | in the absense of buildhost, what should we use? |
| 05:22.40 | kgoetz | or are all systems that id update of buildhost now re-image jobs? |
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| 05:41.57 | RayDar | is the USB port 1.5mbits/second or 12mbits/second ? |
| 05:42.26 | raster | depends on what u connect to it and what it negotiayes |
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| 05:44.19 | RayDar | OK. So it is capable of 12mbits/second then? |
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| 05:44.53 | RayDar | I have a Nokia phone that can only do the slower USB speed of 1.5mbits/second. |
| 05:45.15 | raster | thats all it decides to do |
| 05:45.51 | RayDar | yuppes |
| 05:45.53 | RayDar | yuppers |
| 05:46.52 | raster | the usb device negotiates what speed it wants |
| 05:46.56 | raster | UP to a certain speed |
| 05:47.06 | opendeep | my OM2008.8 build was failed today, let me know anyone got succeeded. |
| 05:47.08 | raster | eg usb1.1 can negotiate up to 12mbit |
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| 05:56.34 | harnir | hello |
| 05:56.50 | raster | hello moko |
| 05:56.57 | raster | ok |
| 05:56.59 | raster | that was bad |
| 05:57.06 | rooly|away | wow |
| 05:57.18 | rooly|away | if only the ringtone was configurable, i would so put that |
| 05:57.36 | RayDar | The ringtones are quite configurable in qtopia |
| 05:57.37 | berkus | moin guys |
| 05:57.39 | berkus | can you suggest the latest recommended kernel/rootfs for neo1973? |
| 05:57.55 | berkus | i've a 20080430(-r0) flashed |
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| 05:59.18 | rooly|away | so |
| 05:59.23 | harnir | rooly|away: male or female voice? record it, switch .wav files... and you have it :) |
| 05:59.41 | rooly|away | male...kinda like the one on the motorola |
| 05:59.49 | rooly|away | crop that out |
| 05:59.52 | rooly|away | it would be so awesome |
| 06:00.11 | rooly|away | btw, i've finished my TC of gnome to a more 'mac' like appearance |
| 06:00.33 | rooly|away | http://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/rooly/Lin2Mac.png |
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| 06:02.11 | raster | what is it with people and mimicking macs |
| 06:02.13 | raster | ? |
| 06:02.16 | raster | why no0t just buy one? |
| 06:02.19 | raster | and use osx? |
| 06:02.34 | rooly|away | hmm...i think this answer will sum it up |
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| 06:02.41 | rooly|away | for me, it is several reasons |
| 06:02.45 | rooly|away | #1, i hate apple products |
| 06:02.57 | rooly|away | osx is a fine OS, but it's the priniciple that counts |
| 06:03.19 | raster | wonders where imagination and originality have gone |
| 06:03.27 | rooly|away | #2, i use linux, which far to many people say is "not ready for the desktop/laptop" |
| 06:03.53 | raster | thats bullpoo |
| 06:04.01 | raster | its been ready for ages |
| 06:04.03 | raster | its just different |
| 06:04.05 | harnir | it's not ready for the desktop |
| 06:04.06 | rooly|away | #3, i'm just showing off the superiority of my 'not-ready-os' in it's ability to not only mimic but surpass other prime-time os's |
| 06:04.18 | raster | harnir: tell that to my desktop for the past decade |
| 06:04.19 | harnir | but it's ready for the mobile phones! ;) |
| 06:04.39 | harnir | (using Linux on my desktop since 2001) |
| 06:04.41 | raster | ro at least.. have an original look! |
| 06:05.13 | rooly|away | it's only temporary |
| 06:05.22 | rooly|away | i did it to vista too |
| 06:05.50 | rooly|away | in my quite crappy laptop using compiz, i achieved everything in vista except the fading icons in the start menu |
| 06:06.04 | harnir | does that count as original? http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5278/200809050804581280x1024oq5.png |
| 06:06.52 | neldoreth | "[08:05:49] <rooly|away> in my quite crappy laptop using compiz, i achieved everything in vista except the fading icons in the start menu" but as OS is not only about (or being ready when) having the best effects and most stylish icons :> |
| 06:07.40 | rooly|away | your right, neldoreth. it should also be stable and standardized to a fair degree with other os's in the market |
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| 06:08.15 | rooly|away | notice how that discludes any version of windows except 3.11 and 2000 |
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| 06:08.30 | rooly|away | and most versions of mac |
| 06:08.33 | berkus | i guess this channel is not for the openmoko phones.. ok |
| 06:09.02 | rooly|away | it's a chat room man |
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| 06:09.05 | rooly|away | chill out |
| 06:09.17 | neldoreth | berkus: it is but that doesnt say that youre not allowed to talk about anything else? |
| 06:09.29 | FxChiP | waow. |
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| 06:09.43 | neldoreth | coffee time |
| 06:10.39 | rooly|away | another thing, neldoreth, most people (not all) equate visual quality of an OS with it's overall quality |
| 06:10.55 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/mydesk-02.png |
| 06:11.11 | raster | at least its not trying to look like vista or osx... :) |
| 06:11.11 | FxChiP | WHAT |
| 06:11.13 | rooly|away | which, altho being a very bad method of rating, is probably one of the main reasons that om2008 is used now |
| 06:11.36 | FxChiP | raster |
| 06:11.37 | FxChiP | is that e17 |
| 06:11.38 | FxChiP | ? |
| 06:11.41 | raster | yup |
| 06:11.41 | rooly|away | raster: like i said, this is temporary |
| 06:11.44 | FxChiP | raster |
| 06:11.46 | FxChiP | is it effing done yet? |
| 06:11.51 | rooly|away | it's just to piss of some mac fanboys |
| 06:12.00 | raster | no software is ever done |
| 06:12.00 | raster | :) |
| 06:12.04 | raster | but its stable and works |
| 06:12.13 | raster | things still left to do fore release |
| 06:12.15 | rooly|away | lol. yeah, "finished" software is obsolete |
| 06:12.15 | raster | being done |
| 06:12.17 | FxChiP | emerge e17 |
| 06:12.30 | raster | "finished" software is what many refer to as "unmaintain4ed" |
| 06:12.31 | raster | or "Dead" |
| 06:12.35 | raster | ie nothnig new happens to it |
| 06:12.36 | raster | :) |
| 06:12.44 | FxChiP | :) |
| 06:12.50 | raster | its available from svn |
| 06:12.52 | raster | 24/7 |
| 06:12.56 | raster | nab it whenever u like |
| 06:13.02 | FxChiP | should |
| 06:13.03 | raster | as people - like me, rely on it |
| 06:13.04 | Sargun | I'm seeing some corruption during the DFU download |
| 06:13.05 | Sargun | meh |
| 06:13.08 | raster | it is my desktop |
| 06:13.13 | raster | for all my boxes - it tends to work |
| 06:13.15 | raster | all the time |
| 06:13.23 | FxChiP | Is it available on portage as yet? |
| 06:13.30 | FxChiP | Or do you not know? |
| 06:13.32 | raster | because if it doesnt.. i find otu and fix it pretty fast :) |
| 06:13.39 | raster | use get_e.sh |
| 06:13.44 | raster | or easy_e17.sh |
| 06:13.52 | raster | they basically will do the snarf and build for you |
| 06:14.52 | FxChiP | mrrh |
| 06:15.10 | FxChiP | there is just so much sexiness about e17 |
| 06:15.33 | raster | :) |
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| 06:15.51 | rooly|away | could see himself using enlightenment |
| 06:15.52 | raster | i started an e17 theme for e/illume for asu |
| 06:16.00 | raster | more a merge of e17's new default and adding illume things |
| 06:16.04 | raster | but its only functional |
| 06:16.06 | raster | not purty |
| 06:16.07 | rooly|away | however, i used gnome + enlightenment |
| 06:16.08 | rooly|away | and hated it |
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| 06:17.07 | rooly|away | ok |
| 06:17.09 | rooly|away | bed time |
| 06:17.19 | rooly|away | i promised myself i get to sleep before 2am |
| 06:17.22 | rooly|away | and it's only 1 |
| 06:17.29 | rooly|away | ish |
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| 06:23.42 | FxChiP | raster, here goes |
| 06:23.52 | FxChiP | emerge e |
| 06:24.01 | raster | that will be wrong |
| 06:24.02 | raster | well old |
| 06:24.09 | raster | emerge in gentoo is using the old cvs repo |
| 06:24.11 | raster | whihc is dead |
| 06:24.11 | FxChiP | followed the instructions on Gentoo-Wiki just now |
| 06:24.14 | FxChiP | seriously? |
| 06:24.14 | raster | but not deco'd |
| 06:24.14 | FxChiP | fuck |
| 06:24.23 | raster | gentoo is behind |
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| 06:24.36 | raster | not maintaining their ebuilds well right now |
| 06:24.55 | FxChiP | argh |
| 06:25.00 | FxChiP | wish I'd known that |
| 06:25.01 | FxChiP | no wait |
| 06:25.03 | FxChiP | it's using svn |
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| 06:25.23 | CM_work | Updating ebuilds or making new ones is fairly easy |
| 06:26.31 | raster | ooh |
| 06:26.33 | raster | they changed it |
| 06:26.36 | raster | at last |
| 06:26.46 | FxChiP | nope |
| 06:26.47 | FxChiP | I'm wrong |
| 06:26.47 | FxChiP | cvs |
| 06:26.48 | FxChiP | :/ |
| 06:26.53 | raster | aha! |
| 06:26.54 | raster | as i thought |
| 06:26.56 | FxChiP | fucking fail |
| 06:26.59 | raster | use get_e.h |
| 06:26.59 | CM_work | raster: What distro do you use? |
| 06:27.01 | raster | err |
| 06:27.03 | raster | use get_e.sh |
| 06:27.07 | raster | or easy_e17.sh |
| 06:27.17 | raster | CM_work: you-booty! |
| 06:27.52 | CM_work | Hehe |
| 06:28.31 | FxChiP | raster, what's the difference between the two? |
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| 06:30.59 | raster | FxChiP: one is shorter/simpler and juist installs the minimal |
| 06:31.01 | raster | get_e.sh |
| 06:31.18 | raster | it has out-of-the-box support for you-booty |
| 06:31.21 | raster | ie installs dependencies |
| 06:31.27 | raster | nothing for gentoo/etc. tho |
| 06:32.14 | KenSentMe | Anyone know of any recent navit packages for 2008.8? |
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| 06:33.22 | FxChiP | ack |
| 06:33.25 | FxChiP | your svn repo is huge |
| 06:34.54 | beni_ | someone has an edje_cc.deb packet ready? |
| 06:35.43 | FxChiP | raster, your code style necessitates a huge screen, huh? XD |
| 06:35.53 | raster | FxChiP: 720mb checked out. 3gb of history. |
| 06:36.06 | raster | FxChiP: hahahaha |
| 06:36.17 | raster | FxChiP: no - i just like a lot of context up at once |
| 06:36.26 | raster | and any sufficiently complex program willl have lots of code |
| 06:36.34 | raster | and that means the mroe screen - the better |
| 06:36.36 | FxChiP | nods |
| 06:37.00 | FxChiP | was browsing screenshots |
| 06:37.07 | FxChiP | prefers Geany XD |
| 06:37.19 | raster | i really cant understand how people code with huge fonts |
| 06:37.25 | raster | 1 file at a time fullscreen with wide lines |
| 06:37.33 | raster | so little context and info |
| 06:37.40 | raster | u have to flip tabs/files all the time |
| 06:37.42 | raster | and scroll so much |
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| 06:39.00 | FxChiP | I use courier 12 |
| 06:39.14 | FxChiP | mainly because that's the lowest I can go without it looking like crap |
| 06:39.28 | neldoreth | "[08:10:38] <rooly|away> another thing, neldoreth, most people (not all) equate visual quality of an OS with it's overall quality" yes but i think people who really work on an Os dont care about those things; and for me a lot of those effects are more bothersome than helpful; in addition you need better and better hardware :> |
| 06:39.31 | FxChiP | As far as the tabs go, I tend to try and remember what the crap I did when writing something else that needs the context |
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| 06:40.37 | FxChiP | I shall have to try your method, however |
| 06:40.48 | FxChiP | hmm. |
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| 06:41.13 | raster | 6x10 for me |
| 06:41.19 | raster | 12 is just too big |
| 06:41.20 | raster | :) |
| 06:41.30 | FxChiP | ugh |
| 06:41.40 | FxChiP | my screen's not nearly big enough for that kinda woodge. |
| 06:41.57 | raster | and why remember |
| 06:42.01 | raster | when the machine can do it for u |
| 06:42.07 | raster | i tend to have a tonne fo context uo at any time |
| 06:42.34 | FxChiP | space-saving, convenience |
| 06:42.50 | raster | small fonts definitely help |
| 06:42.56 | raster | as do big high-res screens |
| 06:42.56 | raster | :) |
| 06:43.06 | FxChiP | I don't have the high-res screen bit |
| 06:43.09 | FxChiP | Mine goes up to like 1280x800 |
| 06:43.16 | raster | :(:(:( |
| 06:43.41 | FxChiP | And apparently Metacity doesn't do tile. Good for it. |
| 06:43.45 | FxChiP | :P |
| 06:43.51 | Mek | the 1920x1200 15" thinkpads are really nice laptops to program on :) |
| 06:44.58 | FxChiP | oops |
| 06:45.02 | FxChiP | courier new size 10 |
| 06:45.06 | FxChiP | er |
| 06:45.07 | FxChiP | courier |
| 06:45.09 | FxChiP | not courier new |
| 06:45.10 | FxChiP | yay |
| 06:45.40 | FxChiP | Size 6 = hell no |
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| 06:47.46 | raster | use nexus |
| 06:47.48 | raster | 6x10 |
| 06:47.50 | raster | :) |
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| 06:51.39 | FxChiP | I don't think I have that font... |
| 06:51.47 | FxChiP | Or do you mean something else? |
| 06:53.01 | raster | install it |
| 06:53.12 | raster | i'm sure there is a package |
| 06:53.20 | raster | thete is for you-booty |
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| 07:11.21 | lloyd_fedora | why does enlightenment keep crashing ... is this normal .. or have i messed something up |
| 07:12.28 | raster | probably messed |
| 07:12.44 | lloyd_fedora | :-( |
| 07:12.44 | lpotter | raster's fault |
| 07:13.18 | raster | nokia's fault |
| 07:13.21 | raster | they sagotaged it |
| 07:13.27 | raster | sabotaged |
| 07:13.27 | raster | :)O |
| 07:14.00 | lpotter | heh right |
| 07:15.03 | lpotter | you mean the s60 team sabotaged it |
| 07:15.09 | raster | yes! |
| 07:15.13 | raster | they did! |
| 07:15.15 | raster | again! |
| 07:15.16 | raster | :) |
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| 07:21.36 | F4t | im trying to configure my wpa wifi network on the moko, trying to use the wpa_supplicant, but he seems to ignore the key from the config, or has problems later when he is dumping custom events, anyone can help? |
| 07:24.32 | FxChiP | I got Nexus instaleld |
| 07:24.35 | FxChiP | installed* |
| 07:24.38 | FxChiP | it looks like crap :D |
| 07:28.36 | raster | pffft! |
| 07:28.39 | raster | "=P |
| 07:28.41 | raster | :-P |
| 07:28.58 | raster | looks just fine |
| 07:29.11 | raster | itds the same as in my screenshot i use for my xterm |
| 07:29.47 | kd8ikt | so raster leak those glamo docs yet? |
| 07:30.59 | kd8ikt | i need to talk to whats his name steve? get me on the payroll then quit as soon as i get my hands on the glamo info then leak it to the world openly :P |
| 07:31.13 | kd8ikt | lol sue me i dont care! |
| 07:31.21 | FxChiP | That'd be pretty lame |
| 07:31.37 | raster | kd8ikt: that would put you in a position to be sued |
| 07:31.40 | kd8ikt | howbout werner and his WLAN spi driver |
| 07:31.50 | raster | and frankly - if i was an employer and found that ouy |
| 07:31.53 | raster | i'd never hire you |
| 07:31.53 | kd8ikt | i've been watching the mailing lists |
| 07:31.54 | raster | again |
| 07:32.06 | raster | its a great way to get blackbanned from ever having a job again |
| 07:32.43 | raster | well any job that has any form of contract |
| 07:33.03 | FxChiP | ? |
| 07:33.12 | raster | u work for a company |
| 07:33.13 | FxChiP | indeed |
| 07:33.24 | kd8ikt | raster's just butt hurt |
| 07:33.26 | raster | in your employment contract is that you will abide by any nda's and agreements the company signs |
| 07:33.41 | raster | om signed an nda with smedia |
| 07:33.44 | FxChiP | kd8ikt, here's the thing, though: why would you do that anyway? |
| 07:33.50 | raster | thus you have agreed to abide by it |
| 07:34.08 | kd8ikt | freedom of information? |
| 07:34.13 | raster | if you join, then knwoingly, with intent take docuemtns under nda and leak |
| 07:34.22 | FxChiP | Freedom of Information won't do shit for you |
| 07:34.24 | raster | it 1. shows you have no respect for a contract or agreement you sign |
| 07:34.35 | raster | 2. opens you up to legal recourse by both om and smedia for damages |
| 07:34.38 | kd8ikt | wich i dont |
| 07:34.39 | FxChiP | Because, quite frankly, there's nothing in that act that covers you for violating a contract |
| 07:34.45 | raster | 3. shows oyu are untrustworthy |
| 07:34.53 | kd8ikt | isnt |
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| 07:35.04 | FxChiP | isn't what? |
| 07:35.07 | FxChiP | Untrustworthy? |
| 07:35.09 | raster | there is no law that protects u here |
| 07:35.11 | kd8ikt | trustworthy |
| 07:35.16 | raster | you broke a civil contract |
| 07:35.19 | FxChiP | then what the fuck's the point |
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| 07:35.29 | raster | if u dont intend to abide by the contratc - dont sign it |
| 07:35.38 | raster | but then - u wouldnt be hired or given access to such documents |
| 07:35.43 | raster | as u didnt agree and sign. |
| 07:35.47 | FxChiP | Or at the very least |
| 07:35.48 | kd8ikt | i've signed lots of things that i think are |
| 07:35.50 | kd8ikt | BS |
| 07:35.52 | raster | its simply childish to do that |
| 07:35.53 | FxChiP | eh |
| 07:36.05 | FxChiP | Or at the very least, be smart |
| 07:36.19 | raster | kd8ikt: depending on your - or the signees jhurisdiction, they may or may not be invalid |
| 07:36.23 | kd8ikt | you should see my signature |
| 07:36.26 | kd8ikt | its awesome |
| 07:36.29 | raster | for exmaple in .au labor laws override any contract you sign |
| 07:36.31 | FxChiP | Do smart things, like delaying for a period of time (like until more people sign the NDA) and not using your own name like an idiot |
| 07:36.32 | FxChiP | :P |
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| 07:36.39 | kd8ikt | more like a few scribbles |
| 07:36.41 | raster | so you can sign away your rights - eg a non-compete |
| 07:36.57 | raster | but its invalid as the law grants you explicitly the right to work in your chosen profession and no agreement can bar you from it |
| 07:36.59 | raster | BUT |
| 07:37.11 | raster | an nda as best i know does not violate any law anywhere |
| 07:37.11 | FxChiP | I pray to God I don't have to sign a serious non-compete/NDA with Apple |
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| 07:37.20 | raster | thats why there are so many. |
| 07:37.42 | FxChiP | Where "serious" is defined as "blocks me from developing my 'driver'" |
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| 07:39.06 | raster | and frankly - the glamo is not worht getting yourself a bad record for employes for and bei9ng liable to be sued for damages |
| 07:39.15 | raster | also by doing that |
| 07:39.24 | raster | other companies basically will look at om and go |
| 07:39.42 | FxChiP | If you really, really want to disclose it, find the issue yourself |
| 07:39.48 | raster | "om hires people who then due to their "everythingt must be free" fanaticism quit and take all sensitive docs with them" |
| 07:39.54 | raster | so you basically dont just screw yourself |
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| 07:40.06 | raster | you screw om and many companies that would do business before now will not |
| 07:40.15 | raster | so you get your smedia docs in public |
| 07:40.24 | raster | but you likely do a good job of ruining om as a company |
| 07:40.39 | raster | ruining the whole open source movement as basically you just raise the distrust levels |
| 07:40.43 | FxChiP | And FreeRunner as a platform |
| 07:40.52 | raster | yup |
| 07:40.56 | raster | so really no one wins |
| 07:40.57 | FxChiP | Not the *whole* open source movement though |
| 07:41.11 | raster | FxChiP: its another nail in the coffin "so to speak" |
| 07:41.12 | FxChiP | The damage would be quite massive and you wouldn't see open phones for a while, if ever, though |
| 07:41.17 | FxChiP | There is no coffin |
| 07:41.28 | raster | an example companies will share for "not to do business with them - they wont honor any trust you place in them" |
| 07:41.45 | raster | FxChiP: thats whi i said "so to speak" |
| 07:41.47 | raster | why |
| 07:42.12 | raster | a lot of people have worked a lot to make open source "legitimate": |
| 07:42.17 | raster | and make it be taken seriously |
| 07:42.32 | raster | doing things like what kd8ikt suggested totally sets that back |
| 07:43.00 | raster | as now you will get more of "look - they're a bunch of untrustworthy children - ignore them." |
| 07:43.14 | raster | theres enough of that view of linux/open source already |
| 07:43.16 | raster | and has been in the past |
| 07:43.19 | raster | its been broken down |
| 07:43.28 | raster | all you do is put those walls back up. |
| 07:44.21 | swc|666 | depends |
| 07:44.34 | swc|666 | open source has many diff arenas |
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| 07:57.26 | FxChiP | wheee |
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| 08:00.27 | KenSentMe | The buttons on the top and bottem of the screen in tangogps don't show (only the current one) on 2008.8. Is there a fix to make them visible? |
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| 08:02.30 | harnir | anyone tried to port sgt-puzzles to OpenMoko? http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/ |
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| 08:03.38 | haduong | Hi everybody, is 2008.8 safe to "opkg upgrade" today ? |
| 08:05.17 | F4t | hey all, can someone help me configure wpa? the suplicant keeps saying it cant set the key for authentication...? |
| 08:06.46 | Tanuva | F4t: paste your supplicant.conf somewhere, please |
| 08:07.06 | F4t | one sec |
| 08:07.34 | transylvania | F4t: I tried yesterday evening but without succes |
| 08:07.49 | F4t | Tanuva: here it is: http://rafb.net/p/ynk9xG93.html |
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| 08:11.19 | kvk | im using latest 2008.08 build environment, im trying to build sample myhelloworld package on it, but it is giving error like " sqlite3.OperationalError: attempt to write a readonly database ". can anyone help me?? |
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| 08:19.59 | F4t | can anyone help me with wpa wifi connection? wpa_supplicant keeps saying it WPA: Failed to set PTK to the driver. |
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| 08:21.53 | Tanuva | F4t: are you sure your key's correctly recognized? (what format is that, btw?) |
| 08:22.41 | F4t | The key is generated using "wpa_passphrase L0c4l localnet" |
| 08:23.20 | F4t | i could try to set it to the ascii version, you think that would help? |
| 08:23.39 | Tanuva | at least it would simplify reading the config file |
| 08:24.04 | Tanuva | and I have set ap_scan=1, lemme just find out where the difference is... |
| 08:24.39 | F4t | just tried with the key in plain text, still PTK error msgs |
| 08:25.21 | Tanuva | have you tried googling the exact error message? |
| 08:25.33 | Tanuva | (I can't do since I don't have it ;) ) |
| 08:25.40 | jonsmith1982 | are there any planned hardware changes for the neo freerunner? |
| 08:25.59 | F4t | There are several error msgs, sec ill send you in private |
| 08:26.18 | Tanuva | paste them somewhere so that others can follow, too |
| 08:26.26 | Tanuva | msgs are not the way to go |
| 08:26.46 | FxChiP | Can you take automated output and send them along the phone conversation to the person on the other end? |
| 08:26.52 | F4t | ok.. one sec |
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| 08:27.20 | FxChiP | i.e. can you play a song for someone that's calling you directly to their handset |
| 08:28.45 | Tanuva | F4t: what wlan device are you trying to use there? |
| 08:29.02 | F4t | moko's wifi device... wth0 |
| 08:29.05 | F4t | eth0* |
| 08:29.36 | F4t | here is the supplicant output: http://rafb.net/p/KA8I6615.html |
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| 08:31.17 | Tanuva | but where's that PRISM2_* part in the ioctl coming from? is wpa_supplicant using the wrong driver? |
| 08:31.50 | F4t | Tanuva, it could be, but i dont select the driver, and with greater outout (-dd) i see that it uses WEXT.. |
| 08:31.56 | Tanuva | hmm |
| 08:31.57 | Tanuva | strange |
| 08:32.06 | F4t | i could select a driver with -D but dont know what to put there... |
| 08:32.26 | Tanuva | wext should work, madwifi is just for the ath5k chips afaik |
| 08:32.42 | F4t | the moko's wifi is atheros, no? |
| 08:32.46 | Tanuva | ath6k, yes |
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| 08:33.01 | F4t | so should there be madwifi driver? |
| 08:33.06 | F4t | shouldnt* |
| 08:33.09 | Tanuva | no, see above |
| 08:33.15 | F4t | oh, ok.. |
| 08:33.49 | F4t | ill try to connect to unencrypted wireless network, we'll see how it goes.. |
| 08:34.37 | Tanuva | in my conf I use "pairwise" and "group" (both tkip), but no "proto" entry, maybe you could try that... |
| 08:35.07 | F4t | ok, in a sec |
| 08:35.39 | Tanuva | F4t: http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2005-March/009770.html maybe you try ap_scan=1, too |
| 08:35.47 | Tanuva | although this is from 2005.. *g* |
| 08:36.06 | F4t | i tried ap_scan=1 |
| 08:36.41 | Tanuva | hmm |
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| 08:40.59 | TAsnn | F4t, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi |
| 08:41.05 | TAsnn | you probably tried that |
| 08:41.16 | TAsnn | haven't read through though there may be something useful there. |
| 08:42.14 | F4t | ill double check that too.. |
| 08:42.35 | F4t | meanwhile, do you know of a way to get the list of suported drivers for supplicant? -D param? |
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| 08:46.25 | Tanuva | F4t: run wpa_supplicant without parameters, you'll see |
| 08:46.35 | Tanuva | wext, atmel and wired for me (debian) |
| 08:47.02 | Tanuva | is wondering in which usecase one would want wpa on a wired connection... |
| 08:48.17 | F4t | why during wext it throws hostap errors? :-/ |
| 08:48.58 | Tanuva | some ioctl errors are normal, but yours aren't... |
| 08:50.19 | F4t | i cant even manage to connect to an unencrypted network... |
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| 08:54.06 | F4t | SOLVED! |
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| 08:54.42 | F4t | Tanuva, thanks, the problem was i was not running udhcpc in paralel to the wpa_supplicant... |
| 08:54.43 | TAsnn | how? |
| 08:54.59 | TAsnn | saw that in the wiki? ;0 |
| 08:55.12 | Tanuva | always uses static config, didn't think about such... :D |
| 08:55.18 | F4t | saw it long time ago, but at first i thought it was only needed for open networks |
| 08:55.40 | F4t | and i didnt think it would be necesery for key authentication?? |
| 08:56.10 | TAsnn | weird enough. |
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| 09:15.23 | F4t | is it necesry to flash the moko to upgrade to om2008.8? |
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| 09:16.36 | gromez | F4t: you could not upgrade from 2007.2 to 2008.8, so you must flash |
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| 09:17.22 | F4t | gromez, ok thanks |
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| 09:17.54 | Ergo^ | hello |
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| 09:18.16 | Ergo^ | wow, lots of ppl here |
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| 09:24.33 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * re2b17651a4df 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [openmoko-alsa-scenarios] update for new voip state |
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| 09:55.16 | Tanuva | is there some slim web browser in the debian repo? firefox runs, but it's not that responsive (naturally) |
| 09:58.23 | XorA | epiphany-webkit |
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| 09:59.31 | budfive5 | midori |
| 09:59.34 | budfive5 | by far the best |
| 09:59.37 | budfive5 | actually useable |
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| 10:03.15 | SpeedEvil | FF what? |
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| 10:03.55 | SpeedEvil | I've been running FF1.5 for some time on PII/300 - 196M - which isn't _that_ much larger - and I wouldn't normallyu expect to have 20 tabs open on FR. |
| 10:03.58 | Tanuva | SpeedEvil: ff3, if you mean that |
| 10:04.30 | SpeedEvil | swapon would be needed first of course |
| 10:04.47 | budfive5 | just use midori. it actually is fabulous. really. |
| 10:04.52 | Tanuva | ...which I dont want because it kills flash |
| 10:04.58 | Tanuva | (swap) |
| 10:05.01 | budfive5 | flash will not work anyway |
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| 10:05.24 | Tanuva | budfive5: I mean swap, not midori |
| 10:05.25 | budfive5 | the flash player is a binary from adobe, and these are pre-built for i386, NOT for arm4 |
| 10:05.46 | budfive5 | for flash, you'd have to use any of the opensource players, like gnash |
| 10:05.50 | budfive5 | these don't work too well yet |
| 10:05.59 | budfive5 | flash is retarded anyway |
| 10:06.05 | Tanuva | arr, I didn't want THAT flash.... |
| 10:06.21 | Tanuva | I just said taht I won't swapon because it kills flash by writing frequently |
| 10:06.25 | budfive5 | oh. :) |
| 10:06.27 | Tanuva | flash memory :) |
| 10:07.39 | F4t | how long does it take to flash 70 mb rootfs.... jeeez... |
| 10:08.06 | XorA | forever |
| 10:08.46 | XorA | FF3 runs quite well on FR |
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| 10:08.55 | XorA | apart from theme problem |
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| 10:11.15 | Tanuva | budfive5: did midori run out of the box? I installed it via apt-get but it's missing some libicu(i18n|uc).so... |
| 10:11.58 | Gnutoo | hello, as you are making a phone...mabe you know where i could find help on minicom and AT commands?(i've a nozomi card) |
| 10:12.29 | budfive5 | midori just worked |
| 10:12.40 | Tanuva | strange |
| 10:12.45 | budfive5 | you're up-to date? |
| 10:12.52 | budfive5 | aptitude update? |
| 10:12.57 | budfive5 | aptitude safe-upgrade? |
| 10:12.57 | Tanuva | d-u'ed some 30min ago I think |
| 10:13.01 | budfive5 | did both of those? |
| 10:13.22 | Tanuva | no aptitude, just apt here, since its unstable |
| 10:13.41 | budfive5 | aptitude is a fancier version of apt-get. you can use apt-get instead |
| 10:13.48 | Tanuva | I know :) |
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| 10:14.01 | budfive5 | ok. :) don't know who i'm talking to |
| 10:14.13 | budfive5 | if you're up-to date then we're running the same code in theory |
| 10:14.27 | budfive5 | let me get my fr, so i can see exactly what libraries midori thinks it needs and what i have |
| 10:14.30 | Tanuva | 0.0.19-2 here |
| 10:14.35 | Tanuva | okay |
| 10:14.40 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1963: X orientation left and right mess screen when return from suspend ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1963 ) |
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| 10:15.04 | SpeedEvil | Questions is - do you care if flash lasts more than a few months - if it costs $10 |
| 10:15.42 | kwek | can internal flash be replaced |
| 10:16.01 | Tanuva | yes I do, since I don't want to spend another 15€ on an sd card if I can do without :) |
| 10:17.16 | budfive5 | tanuva: moko:~# which midori | xargs ldd | grep libicu |
| 10:17.16 | budfive5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.16 | budfive5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.16 | budfive5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.31 | budfive5 | you are missing some of these? |
| 10:17.53 | budfive5 | moko:~# dpkg -S /usr/lib/libicui18n.so.38 |
| 10:17.53 | budfive5 | libicu38: /usr/lib/libicui18n.so.38 |
| 10:19.16 | Tanuva | budfive5: http://rafb.net/p/mIdhhL41.html |
| 10:19.23 | Tanuva | seems like that |
| 10:20.03 | Tanuva | really strange, I'll see what apt turns out |
| 10:20.22 | Tanuva | just libicu38 and -dev ... |
| 10:20.28 | SpeedEvil | Tanuva: if wear levelling works as it should, flash should last decades anyway. |
| 10:21.08 | budfive5 | your libicu38 package is either not fully installed somehow or it's an older version or something |
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| 10:21.52 | budfive5 | i'm at 3.8.1-3. this package contains the libraries you need |
| 10:22.46 | Tanuva | I've got the same version... |
| 10:22.56 | Tanuva | from ftp2.de.debian.org |
| 10:23.02 | budfive5 | ok. dpkg -L libicu38 please |
| 10:23.11 | hil_ | hi all |
| 10:23.20 | hil_ | torindel: are you here? :) |
| 10:23.33 | Tanuva | budfive5: essential parts (libs): /usr/lib |
| 10:23.33 | Tanuva | /usr/lib/libicutu.so.38.1 |
| 10:23.34 | Tanuva | /usr/lib/libicuio.so.38.1 |
| 10:23.34 | Tanuva | /usr/lib/libicudata.so.38.1 |
| 10:23.53 | Tanuva | that's exactly what I got on disk |
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| 10:24.30 | Tanuva | and on my desktop (debian sid/sidux) the missing files are there |
| 10:24.31 | budfive5 | ok... |
| 10:24.32 | torindel | hil_: yep, but i'm going out to work in few minutes so make it quick |
| 10:24.45 | Tanuva | maybe I'll get it from another mirror |
| 10:24.50 | budfive5 | how big is your .deb? our .debs should be identical |
| 10:25.01 | hil_ | alright... i used your advice and got the toolchain working |
| 10:25.03 | viq | just md5 them ;) |
| 10:25.30 | Tanuva | 6aa5e3d135d901033c9a21982676791d /var/cache/apt/archives/libicu38_3.8.1-3_armel.deb |
| 10:25.41 | hil_ | now I want to get the soruces to the browser and build it... can you help me find sources to openmoko |
| 10:25.44 | budfive5 | yep. mine isn't in the archives. i must've killed it. :) |
| 10:25.47 | budfive5 | give me a sec |
| 10:25.48 | hil_ | (without having to downoad the whole shebang) |
| 10:26.32 | torindel | hil_: you're on gentoo stage right? |
| 10:26.57 | hil_ | er... no. I mean the other advice about using the OM toolchain |
| 10:27.12 | hil_ | i'm using ubuntu as build/host |
| 10:27.20 | hil_ | and Freerunner as target |
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| 10:27.43 | hil_ | i have deployed the sample provided with the toolchain binary |
| 10:27.50 | hil_ | now I want to work with a real application. |
| 10:29.21 | torindel | hil_: with or without qemu to run configure and preprocessor? |
| 10:29.25 | budfive5 | tanuva: md5sum < libicu38_3.8.1-3_armel.deb |
| 10:29.30 | budfive5 | ba2f0c484e22986b58cd5567fde49cba |
| 10:29.42 | Tanuva | budfive5: which debian mirror are you using? |
| 10:29.59 | Tig| | morning all, could someone run this command on a 2007/2008 image please in a terminal and give me the output : opkg search hidd |
| 10:30.03 | budfive5 | also, dpkg -c libicu38_3.8.1-3_armel.deb | grep /usr/lib/lib |
| 10:30.03 | budfive5 | -rw-r--r-- root/root 151288 2008-07-10 14:39 ./usr/lib/libicutu.so.38.1 |
| 10:30.03 | budfive5 | -rw-r--r-- root/root 54528 2008-07-10 14:39 ./usr/lib/libicuio.so.38.1 |
| 10:30.03 | budfive5 | -rw-r--r-- root/root 11414272 2008-07-10 14:39 ./usr/lib/libicudata.so.38.1 |
| 10:30.04 | budfive5 | -rw-r--r-- root/root 275264 2008-07-10 14:39 ./usr/lib/libicule.so.38.1 |
| 10:30.04 | budfive5 | -rw-r--r-- root/root 1632024 2008-07-10 14:39 ./usr/lib/libicuuc.so.38.1 |
| 10:30.06 | budfive5 | -rw-r--r-- root/root 1863152 2008-07-10 14:39 ./usr/lib/libicui18n.so.38.1 |
| 10:30.08 | budfive5 | -rw-r--r-- root/root 68344 2008-07-10 14:39 ./usr/lib/libiculx.so.38.1 |
| 10:30.10 | budfive5 | lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2008-07-10 14:37 ./usr/lib/libicuio.so.38 -> libicuio.so.38.1 |
| 10:30.12 | budfive5 | lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2008-07-10 14:37 ./usr/lib/libicuuc.so.38 -> libicuuc.so.38.1 |
| 10:30.14 | budfive5 | lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2008-07-10 14:37 ./usr/lib/libicui18n.so.38 -> libicui18n.so.38.1 |
| 10:30.16 | budfive5 | lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2008-07-10 14:37 ./usr/lib/libiculx.so.38 -> libiculx.so.38.1 |
| 10:30.18 | budfive5 | lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2008-07-10 14:37 ./usr/lib/libicutu.so.38 -> libicutu.so.38.1 |
| 10:30.20 | budfive5 | lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2008-07-10 14:37 ./usr/lib/libicudata.so.38 -> libicudata.so.38.1 |
| 10:30.22 | budfive5 | lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2008-07-10 14:37 ./usr/lib/libicule.so.38 -> libicule.so.38.1 |
| 10:30.22 | torindel | budfive5: DIE!!! |
| 10:30.24 | budfive5 | i just pulled that .deb from http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/icu/ |
| 10:30.31 | budfive5 | :) |
| 10:30.31 | viq | budfive5: use paste services |
| 10:30.31 | Tanuva | wtf... |
| 10:30.36 | Tanuva | I'll redownload |
| 10:30.58 | hil_ | without qemu.. i'm going straight to Freerunner with an ipk file created with om-make-ipkg |
| 10:32.15 | torindel | hil_: then it wasnt me, as you'll run into a lot of headaches with direct crosscompile |
| 10:33.16 | hil_ | ok... so it must've been someone else |
| 10:33.20 | hil_ | :) |
| 10:33.29 | torindel | hil_: better it would be to setup distcc on qemu'ed arm and your host to get configure/preprocesor on sane (qemu) arm target and compilation on your localhost |
| 10:33.35 | hil_ | but can you help me find sources |
| 10:34.07 | torindel | hil_: maybe later i'm off to work now |
| 10:34.09 | torindel | later |
| 10:34.20 | hil_ | ok. thanks |
| 10:34.25 | hil_ | :) |
| 10:35.07 | Gnutoo | anyone? mabe someone knows where i could find help on minicom and AT commands?(i've a nozomi card) |
| 10:36.29 | Tig| | Gnutoo: a quick google gave me this : http://www.klabs.be/~fpiat/linux/debian/Option_Qualcomm_MSM6275_UMTS/ |
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| 10:41.14 | Gnutoo | Tig|, i've several problems...1)/dev/noz1,2,3 doen't eccho my commands on minicom...2)i want to know my phone number and retrive sms if possible |
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| 10:41.49 | Gnutoo | Tig|, i need that in order to go to sfr's website and mabe they will tell me how many MB are left |
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| 10:49.08 | Tig| | Gnutoo: I think it is :+CNUM |
| 10:49.21 | Tig| | sorry +CNUM |
| 10:49.35 | Tig| | ignore the colon :) |
| 10:49.49 | Gnutoo | ok i'll pastebin the result |
| 10:50.26 | Tanuva | budfive5: I downloaded libicu by hand now and got the nessecary libs. REALLY strange. |
| 10:50.56 | Gnutoo | Tig|, http://pastebin.com/m34abaf82 |
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| 10:51.44 | budfive5 | tanuva: if you care to investigate, you can look in the apt logs to see if it installed correctly in the frist place. otherwise, maybe something deleted the files after the fact? random guess... |
| 10:52.27 | Tig| | Gnutoo: no idea then I am afraid, I did find this : http://gatling.ikk.sztaki.hu/~kissg/gsm/at+c.html#27.07general it may help |
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| 10:53.09 | Tanuva | argh, now I got this f* segfault-on-reading-dep-tree again... maybe I take a look at the logs afterwards |
| 10:53.32 | Gnutoo | Tig|, wow thanks a lot |
| 10:55.43 | Tig| | no worries :) |
| 10:56.36 | budfive5 | anybody using at&t in the US with their freerunner? |
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| 10:59.17 | dns53 | no but there where some problems with some at&t sim cards from the mailing list, if you can swap them it might work better |
| 11:00.15 | Tanuva | wtf, my rootfs got readonly while mounted :O |
| 11:01.34 | budfive5 | dns53: yeah. I'm on my 3rd sim card. Unlike the others this one works, but it's awfully flaky |
| 11:02.39 | dns53 | i haven't been able to get any of the gsm working with 2008.8 so i use qtopia most of the time |
| 11:04.34 | budfive5 | dns53: wait... you have SIM issues with one distro and not another?? I always assumed this was mostly a hardware problem |
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| 11:06.47 | dns53 | it's kernel drivers and gsmd related i believe, perhaps different firmares etc |
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| 11:11.11 | Tanuva | budfive5: yay, midori is fine, thanks for the hint :) |
| 11:11.23 | Tanuva | is controlling his desktop's amarok from the neo now. wlan rocks. |
| 11:11.53 | dns53 | using a web interface? |
| 11:12.10 | dns53 | you tried using pulse audio to stream to your neo? |
| 11:12.27 | Tanuva | yes, amarok has a built-in script for web playlist access. not the whole lib though |
| 11:12.35 | Tanuva | no stream, just playback control |
| 11:12.51 | Tanuva | since the desktop's sound is waaay better *g* |
| 11:13.39 | Tanuva | and I don't have pulseaudio on my neo. debian powered by alsa |
| 11:14.33 | dns53 | doesn't it? i thaught they used pulse, i think they used to |
| 11:14.54 | budfive5 | tanuva: does your sound work on the fr? Mine had some problem where some gsm daemon is hogging the sound. i haven't bothered to fix it yet |
| 11:15.28 | budfive5 | after killing a few processes, i was able to get control of the card, but still no sound. have you gotten this to run? |
| 11:15.52 | Tanuva | sound's fine through state files |
| 11:15.59 | Tanuva | haven't really tried calling yet |
| 11:16.13 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07framework * r8c8a0feea2f6 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: |
| 11:16.13 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: UBXDevice uses one of the private variables from GPSDevice |
| 11:16.13 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: (Patch by Sascha Wessel) |
| 11:16.13 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r8050feff58f1 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: ogpsd: Fix warmstart codepath so it sends initial data |
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| 11:17.26 | budfive5 | Tanuva: did you have to do anything to get the sound to work? you can just use mplayer or something similar? |
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| 11:17.30 | Tanuva | hm.. but midori doesn't render teh web interface correctly |
| 11:17.46 | Tanuva | budfive5: I had to use the right statefile, but then it worked from any player |
| 11:18.00 | budfive5 | can i get a copy of the statefile? please? |
| 11:18.04 | Tanuva | debian's default settings seem brokne |
| 11:18.07 | Tanuva | sure |
| 11:18.10 | budfive5 | thansk |
| 11:18.36 | Tanuva | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Manual_Debian#Sound |
| 11:20.05 | Tanuva | would like a working xglamo + gestures on debian... |
| 11:20.14 | Tanuva | (to enable widescreen :]) |
| 11:20.27 | F4t | why does the moko suspend every few seconds where do i change it (om2008.8) |
| 11:20.53 | si-m1 | settings |
| 11:21.01 | F4t | ok thanks |
| 11:22.29 | Tanuva | hmm... seems like I need to modify this webinterface a little |
| 11:23.11 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07framework * rf225ec860747 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: (log message trimmed) |
| 11:23.11 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Reset gpsfixstatus when stopping the GPS. |
| 11:23.11 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: From: Sascha Wessel <wessel@nefkom.net> |
| 11:23.11 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Subject: [PATCH] reset-ubx-gpsfixstatus-and-buffer.patch |
| 11:23.12 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Hi, |
| 11:23.14 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This patch fixes the following issue: |
| 11:23.16 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: * zhone shows 90.0/0.0 as location (Debian bug #494927) |
| 11:24.15 | ernst | have anyone test this testing-om-gta02-20080905.rootfs.jffs2 |
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| 11:30.21 | hipitihop | F4t, yep its initial sleep is set to 10sec afaik, you have to go into setting and chnage it |
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| 11:46.15 | Dave | ecraven! |
| 11:47.11 | ecraven | hey ;) |
| 11:47.56 | Dave | :) |
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| 11:56.06 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rec2661157dce 10/packages/dbus/ (dbus.inc dbus_1.2.1.bb): dbus: enable x support and put dbus-launch into new package dbus-x11 |
| 11:58.26 | Dave | :o |
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| 12:00.26 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rf8572452afe6 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: sms.py: Fix some PDU generation bugs with optional fields |
| 12:00.27 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r7db16cf71a43 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/ (channel.py mediator.py): ogsmd: Enable PDU mode and use it in all SMS functions |
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| 12:01.51 | Tig| | grrr how is deprecating hidd a step forward |
| 12:02.07 | phrozen77_ | just the same way that 2007.2 -> 2008.8 was |
| 12:02.18 | Tig| | yeah I suppose... |
| 12:03.14 | Tig| | so where as before I could just do a hidd --search to connect and magically setup my bt keyboard I have to faff around lots |
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| 12:07.59 | Bambi_BOFH | hi all, i was wondering if the freerunner -> gsm modem connection was a system bus or a serial port? (sorry if this is a dupe, xchat dropped out) |
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| 12:08.44 | XorA | Kamping_Kaiser: its a serial port |
| 12:08.45 | mjr | serial line |
| 12:09.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. thanks both |
| 12:09.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | waits for his 2nd freerunner to arrive to check exactly what it looks like |
| 12:14.33 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r36a75d074df3 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia-phone-x11] fix PV to be higher than stable |
| 12:14.34 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r5cd05849538e 10/packages/dbus/ (dbus.inc dbus_1.2.1.bb): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev |
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| 12:34.05 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1964: [ti calypso] Sometimes TI Calypso fails to dial out and is not reachable ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1964 ) |
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| 12:39.05 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1965: qtopia-phone-x11 build failed cannot find -lfreetype ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1965 ) |
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| 12:51.28 | mickeyl | anyone used usb host on the neo yet? |
| 12:51.33 | Elleo | yep |
| 12:51.47 | Elleo | with a couple of keyboards |
| 12:51.49 | mickeyl | anything to do except switching via sysfs node? |
| 12:51.57 | mickeyl | i do not seem to get any reaction upon inserting anything |
| 12:52.07 | mickeyl | perhaps my gender changer is not working |
| 12:52.29 | Elleo | did you switch on the host power? |
| 12:52.38 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4630 10/developers/werner/dbgrst/ (. Makefile README dbgrst.c): Small utility to reset a Neo through the debug board without using OpenOCD. |
| 12:52.46 | mickeyl | no! |
| 12:52.58 | Elleo | echo "host" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode |
| 12:53.03 | Elleo | echo "1" > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode |
| 12:53.05 | mickeyl | aah |
| 12:53.09 | mickeyl | missed the 2nd command |
| 12:53.11 | Elleo | that sets up host mode and switches power on |
| 12:53.15 | mickeyl | tries |
| 12:53.19 | Elleo | echo "device" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode |
| 12:53.23 | Elleo | echo "0" > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode |
| 12:53.25 | Elleo | to switch back |
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| 12:54.04 | mickeyl | aah |
| 12:54.10 | mickeyl | now something happens |
| 12:54.13 | Elleo | :) |
| 12:54.24 | mickeyl | amazing, thanks |
| 12:54.32 | Elleo | no problem |
| 12:54.38 | mickeyl | unfortunately i don't get USB insertion via input node |
| 12:54.41 | mickeyl | which is what I had suspected |
| 12:54.43 | mickeyl | err |
| 12:54.44 | mickeyl | expected |
| 12:55.07 | mickeyl | i only get USB host insertion |
| 12:55.10 | mickeyl | not USB gadget insertion |
| 12:55.22 | mickeyl | but i guess since I have to switch to host mode and power it up, autosense won't work anyways |
| 12:55.45 | mickeyl | good, i can now add some basic support for usb host to frameworkd |
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| 12:55.54 | Elleo | :) |
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| 13:27.28 | apollo13 | Hi guys, I got my freerunner today and I guess I should upgrade it to the asu? |
| 13:27.53 | apollo13 | And it seems the repos for the 2007.2 images don't exist anymore? |
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| 13:36.12 | OdyX | Hi. Is there a list of the packages that are part of the original asu (2008.08) ? |
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| 13:54.46 | Wake_Work | apollo13: the repositories have been moved |
| 13:54.57 | apollo13 | Wake_Work: yeah thx, already found them |
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| 13:55.04 | Wake_Work | ;) |
| 13:55.18 | apollo13 | the next thing I'll try is the fso image :) |
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| 14:01.49 | b0ib0t2 | finally |
| 14:01.53 | b0ib0t2 | i've got my openmoko |
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| 14:02.15 | b0ib0t | what is the distro on it by default? |
| 14:02.18 | b0ib0t | 2007.x? |
| 14:05.07 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rdfa1c3d3a791 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [task-openmoko-asu] Bump PR after we have made some changes to the content |
| 14:05.07 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * reca116006eba 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [om-locations] Set om-locations to use 0.2 branch of om-locations git. |
| 14:05.08 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r0a0bfd66510e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] Bump up the revision of Om-locations |
| 14:05.08 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r649629d6f773 10/packages/openmoko2/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-sound-system2: make pulseaudio stops listening for TCP by default |
| 14:05.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r547e88e7bde7 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (2 files in 2 dirs): xserver-kdrive-common: stop Xserver from listening for TCP by default |
| 14:05.14 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r6a6b33a98de5 10/packages/dropbear/ (dropbear.inc dropbear/openmoko/default dropbear_0.49.bb): dropbear: improve dropbear security by listening only on usb0 by default |
| 14:05.17 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r1f4838267cfe 10/packages/xorg-app/ (xterm/xterm.desktop xterm/xterm.png xterm_207.bb): xterm: add desktop and png icon |
| 14:05.20 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r8342d9e21288 10/packages/tzdata/tzdata_2007k.bb: tzdata: add localtime in conffiles |
| 14:05.31 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r614175e352c4 10/packages/busybox/ (busybox_1.9.1.bb files/hwclock.sh): busybox: update hwclock.sh to honor the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS |
| 14:05.31 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rd12b80aee8d8 10/packages/sysvinit/ (sysvinit/openmoko/rcS-default sysvinit_2.86.bb): sysvinit: switch openmoko distro to use UTC=yes by default |
| 14:05.33 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r0e164ad85975 10/packages/ (openmoko-projects/om-locations_git.bb xorg-app/xterm_207.bb): Merge commit 'origin/org.openmoko.asu.dev' into org.openmoko.dev |
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| 14:07.26 | tuqs | b0ib0t: 2007.2 |
| 14:07.32 | b0ib0t | ah |
| 14:07.40 | b0ib0t | how craptastic is 2007.2 compared to 08.8? |
| 14:08.27 | b0ib0t | my wife is goign to do a straight qtopia boot with hers, i wanna do a dual boot 08.8 & qtopia with mine |
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| 14:09.19 | zitune | hi everybody |
| 14:09.25 | b0ib0t | hi |
| 14:09.29 | tuqs | i prefer 2008.8 over 2007.2 but with the illume keyboard installed. i dislike the qtopia one |
| 14:09.35 | zitune | i'm looking for the rasterman image |
| 14:09.57 | zitune | does anybody have a link ? |
| 14:10.51 | zitune | don't bother ... find it |
| 14:10.53 | zitune | :) |
| 14:12.44 | b0ib0t | does pidgin work on the freerunner? |
| 14:13.10 | zash | b0ib0t: guessing it does |
| 14:13.14 | b0ib0t | wow |
| 14:13.17 | zash | but i have no idea |
| 14:13.36 | b0ib0t | does it work also like a normal phone? like, you hold it up to your face and talk into it? |
| 14:13.41 | b0ib0t | it feels a bit funky like that |
| 14:14.04 | zash | would be cool to have a guesture like that |
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| 14:14.16 | zash | answer = lift the phone to your ear |
| 14:14.34 | b0ib0t | lol |
| 14:14.53 | zash | there is some gesture-stuffs already |
| 14:14.58 | zash | should be possible |
| 14:16.06 | zash | and, like put-on-hold = take the phone from your ear down to the "looking at screen" position |
| 14:16.14 | zash | and hangup = shake and put in pocket |
| 14:16.18 | zash | imagine the ASUM |
| 14:17.43 | zash | but, judging from this chat, it seems that it works like a phone and that pidgin runs on it |
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| 14:17.51 | zash | but, i want a jabber-only client |
| 14:18.41 | ace_ | the iphone does something like that already, if you lift it to your ear the screen turns off and it goes back on when you look at it |
| 14:19.02 | zash | ace_: but, you have to press a button to answer |
| 14:19.14 | ace_ | that's true :) |
| 14:19.21 | zash | ace_: and thats just a sensor that turns of the screen when there is something near it |
| 14:19.38 | ace_ | ah i thought it was a motion sensor |
| 14:20.06 | zash | there is a motion sensor aka accelerometer |
| 14:20.10 | zash | also |
| 14:20.18 | zash | but its mostly used for rotating the screen |
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| 14:22.01 | zash | hm |
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| 14:45.57 | rhkfin | Anyone know the reason opkg upgrade gives "opkg_conf_init: Failed to create temporary directory `(null)': No such file or directory" |
| 14:46.23 | rhkfin | On previous run it segfaulted |
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| 14:54.14 | phrozen77_ | rhkfin, strace it? |
| 14:55.02 | slaxxin | Unknown HZ value! (94) Assume 100. |
| 14:55.02 | slaxxin | E: Qtopia wants to continually access /media/card. You need to |
| 14:55.02 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:56.19 | slaxxin | why would qtopia continually access the media card |
| 14:56.58 | mwester | to see if you may have added any juicy multimedia files for it. |
| 14:57.19 | mwester | it's a "feature" |
| 14:57.53 | Tanuva | remember, qtopia is made for a closed phone :) |
| 14:58.56 | rhkfin | phrozen77_: http://pastebin.com/f466ca8dc |
| 14:59.21 | rhkfin | (will have to go soon, highlight me if any ideas..) |
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| 15:00.04 | phrozen77_ | mkdir("/tmp/opkg-lHvWHe", 0700) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 15:00.11 | phrozen77_ | rhkfin, no permissions on /tmp ? |
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| 15:00.37 | rhkfin | phrozen77_: huh.. |
| 15:01.16 | rhkfin | /var/volatile/tmp doesn't exist.. |
| 15:01.42 | rhkfin | Created it and seems to work again.. Must have been the upgrade that broke it.. |
| 15:01.46 | rhkfin | Thanks! |
| 15:02.43 | phrozen77_ | yw |
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| 15:16.34 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke * r9f10e31fc4eb 10/src/applications/addressbook/ (addressbook.cpp addressbook.h): [addressbook] Use QTOPIA_PER_CONTACT_RINGTONE for per contact/group ringtone |
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| 15:22.08 | Tanuva | is scrolling wildly over europe to download maps from osm.org *g* |
| 15:22.48 | ronny | didnt anyone write a script for that already? |
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| 15:23.41 | torindel | Tanuva: http://rafb.net/p/TMaU3816.html |
| 15:23.51 | torindel | (that isnt mine thoo) |
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| 15:23.56 | Zorkman | tanuva: you can also use tangogps and the "download maps" button |
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| 15:25.15 | Tanuva | I *am* using tgps to do that |
| 15:25.25 | gromez | there is a kind of maps set for a whole country ? |
| 15:25.46 | Tanuva | hmm |
| 15:25.49 | Tanuva | at least there was |
| 15:26.17 | sicu | torindel: 404 not found |
| 15:27.05 | Tanuva | same here |
| 15:27.19 | Tanuva | wpa_gui rocks. |
| 15:28.04 | torindel | sicu: http://wklej.org/id/2776/ |
| 15:28.21 | torindel | (still had that window on rafb open ;]) |
| 15:28.36 | sicu | thx =) |
| 15:28.39 | apollo13 | I flashed the fso milestone2 to the freerunner, and now I get empty flash at ... ends at ... messages |
| 15:28.44 | apollo13 | what did I wrong? |
| 15:28.57 | apollo13 | (after that it boots...) |
| 15:29.51 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r4184221da646 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get Charlie's fixes |
| 15:29.53 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r373685409d92 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade om-settings to r71 for wifi and profile changes |
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| 15:36.51 | slaxxin | mmmmm debian |
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| 15:37.12 | slaxxin | need some more sdcards |
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| 15:39.41 | lindi- | slaxxin: just use nfs over gprs :) |
| 15:40.40 | Tanuva | my xfce (debian) has the reboot/shutdown buttons disabled. what does it need to make them work? |
| 15:41.15 | slaxxin | hanent messed with gprs yet |
| 15:41.31 | lindi- | Tanuva: never used xfce actually, which debian package has the buttons? |
| 15:41.32 | slaxxin | v* |
| 15:41.34 | apollo13 | what does the .summary for the gta02 rootfs mean? http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ |
| 15:41.54 | Tanuva | lindi-: puh, you ask for things... *g* |
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| 15:42.22 | Tanuva | I'd use illume if I could get it to run :D |
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| 15:45.54 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8ac9778c1865 10/framework/controller.py: bail out if our dbus bus name is already owned on startup |
| 15:45.55 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ree45d198ecce 10/tools/cli-framework: tools/cli-framework: add convenience function for getting proxies implementing an interface |
| 15:45.55 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5ad57e4ddfcd 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): odeviced: add power control object for switching to Usb Host. |
| 15:45.56 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb14290506a6c 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: ousaged: add UsbHost resource |
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| 15:48.16 | slaxxin | has the debian distro had any updates since the inclusion |
| 15:48.39 | slaxxin | im using the auto-installer |
| 15:49.12 | lindi- | Tanuva: no idea? |
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| 15:49.24 | slaxxin | i guess the latest (if there is an update) will be installed |
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| 15:50.28 | CVirus | I wonder why is it taking the kernel team too much to fix the suspend/resume issues !! |
| 15:50.46 | Daenyth | With a 20070824 build, I'm having trouble locking screen |
| 15:50.57 | Daenyth | it works a few times but randomly after a certain point I can't lock |
| 15:51.14 | Daenyth | I can't figure out the CLI command to lock screen, and there's no X log for me to check |
| 15:51.16 | apollo13 | CVirus: cause it's not that easy maybe? |
| 15:51.20 | Daenyth | how can I troubleshoot this? |
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| 15:52.29 | lindi- | Tanuva: it's kind of hard to study the issue if i don't know what package to look at :) |
| 15:53.40 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.54 | slaxxin | ? |
| 15:54.10 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1814: Broken mplayer package dependenties ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1814 ) |
| 15:54.24 | slaxxin | lol |
| 15:54.30 | slaxxin | c* |
| 15:54.35 | Tanuva | lindi-: sure, I understand the problem. My problem is that I just apt-get installed xfce4, modified zhone-session and there I went :D |
| 15:54.45 | Tanuva | lindi-: I'll have a look at it later |
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| 15:59.28 | lindi- | slaxxin: why not? ;) |
| 15:59.34 | Tanuva | somewhere it was possible to download whole countries of osm maps, but I can't find that anymore :/ |
| 15:59.44 | slaxxin | im a linux noob |
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| 16:00.44 | slaxxin | i think rooly was doing that |
| 16:01.06 | slaxxin | whole countries would be good |
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| 16:02.31 | NineX | http://webzone.k3.mah.se/kit01051/flashback.swf |
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| 16:06.02 | CVirus | this is sick |
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| 16:07.42 | CVirus | this is cool |
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| 16:08.03 | Tanuva | slaxxin: http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/ that's what I was looking for |
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| 16:09.13 | baba_melone | Hi, Im trying to connect to my wpa2 network with my new neo freerunner, but my wpa-psk is 64 signs long |
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| 16:09.31 | baba_melone | wpa_supplicant maximally allows 63 signs, wheres the prob |
| 16:09.41 | lindi- | signs? |
| 16:09.51 | Tanuva | chars probably |
| 16:09.53 | baba_melone | why does the networkmanager of my laptop allow 64 characters |
| 16:09.59 | baba_melone | yeah, characters |
| 16:10.06 | baba_melone | sry^^ |
| 16:10.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8ceb05e86b54 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade efl as encouraged by raster |
| 16:10.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6942b2e79b80 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [Assassin] bump up the version of assassin to 233 |
| 16:10.55 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf6ea04021890 10/packages/efl1/edje_svn.bb: [edje-utils] Add tag group::programming to edje-utils (#1716) |
| 16:10.56 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2be1c6fff81a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [openmoko-alsa-scenarios] update for new voip state |
| 16:10.58 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2e1ae90e82a9 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade om-settings to r71 for wifi and profile changes |
| 16:11.01 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8d8376fdeb85 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get Charlie's fixes |
| 16:11.01 | baba_melone | wikipedia told me that wpa-psk's are maximally 63 characters long, but why does my networkmanager show a 64 character long psk? |
| 16:11.04 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2af3d1dd97e0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.testing' into org.openmoko.asu.stable |
| 16:11.12 | baba_melone | Do I have to leave out one char |
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| 16:12.05 | Shlee | off by one error? :| |
| 16:12.35 | b0ib0t | is there a downloadble version of the wiki? |
| 16:12.42 | b0ib0t | i'd like the openmoko wiki on the road |
| 16:12.58 | slaxxin | that an upgrede there correct? |
| 16:13.02 | baba_melone | Usually a wiki has an 'all pages' page |
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| 16:17.00 | b0ib0t | does the freerunner come with any games? |
| 16:17.11 | baba_melone | sudoku |
| 16:17.23 | baba_melone | a friend of mine managed to play diablo2 |
| 16:17.28 | baba_melone | with wine and qemu |
| 16:17.35 | b0ib0t | lol |
| 16:17.43 | b0ib0t | what dir are the games stored? |
| 16:17.51 | baba_melone | His nick is josch, Hes lurking around here sometimes, too |
| 16:18.42 | b0ib0t | on the wiki it says under default software, it comes with bridges... it does not give a path though |
| 16:18.55 | baba_melone | really noone an idea why my wpa-psk is 64 characters long or how come networkmanager is telling me so |
| 16:19.13 | baba_melone | usually /opt or /usr |
| 16:19.36 | baba_melone | but could be as well /usr/local or even /, which is very rare though |
| 16:23.33 | Shlee | scummvm? |
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| 16:24.10 | b0ib0t | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:25.45 | Tanuva | eeeh. how do I use downloaded .osm xml files for tangogps? (this is possible, isn't it?) |
| 16:26.20 | baba_melone | If I had meant /usr/games, Id have said so, the binaries are in /usr/bin the libraries in /usr/lib when I say that they are usually in /usr |
| 16:26.22 | lindi- | Tanuva: you don't afaik. |
| 16:26.28 | lindi- | Tanuva: you use mapnik to render OSM 0.5 data |
| 16:26.32 | baba_melone | the same for /opt |
| 16:26.57 | lindi- | Tanuva: to bitmaps and then tangogps shows you those bitmaps |
| 16:28.12 | Tanuva | aah! |
| 16:28.31 | Dave | Hello gentlemen. |
| 16:29.45 | Gnutoo | Tig|_, hello again..i've advanced and now the command AT+CPBR=1 gives me that: +CPBR: 1,"",0,"Mon No SFR" but in that message i see no phone number |
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| 16:34.39 | Kagee | I have found a way to remove (as good as) any trace oc echo from my phone, by i seams like i have to run the AT-command before every call. |
| 16:34.50 | Kagee | How do i do that? |
| 16:34.59 | wurp2|gone | Kagee: Wow! What is the command? |
| 16:35.20 | wurp2|gone | Kagee: You would have to edit the source of whatever dialer you're using... which dialer is it? |
| 16:35.34 | Kagee | im using a fresh 2008.8-Update |
| 16:35.41 | wurp2|gone | So it's Qtopia? |
| 16:35.45 | Kagee | thihmmm |
| 16:36.00 | Kagee | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#End_user <<-- that one |
| 16:36.01 | wurp2|gone | (the ASU branch of Qtopia, I mean) |
| 16:36.43 | Kagee | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/028495.html <<-- that fix AND running "AT%N028B" in minicom before every call. |
| 16:36.48 | wurp2|gone | I'd tell lpotter about the command... if it works w/o side effects, I bet he'd integrate it soon. I dunno who is responsible on the OM side for Qtopia updates |
| 16:37.20 | Kagee | AND sound setting that i seams to have lost... |
| 16:37.21 | wurp2|gone | Or, just find the defect for the echo and add your info as a comment |
| 16:38.35 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r28c58220d92f 10/odeviced/src/plugins/powercontrol/ (powercontrol.plugin powercontrol.vala): Add USB host control |
| 16:38.36 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r1198e3fd3dfa 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/input-helpers.c: change the priority for idle event handling for input |
| 16:38.49 | Dave | brokenmoko |
| 16:39.11 | wurp2|gone | Kagee: It looks as if that's already going into Qtopia 4.4 |
| 16:39.12 | Kagee | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267 <<-- thisone ? |
| 16:39.22 | Kagee | what part? |
| 16:39.28 | wurp2|gone | Just the stuff from the mailing list |
| 16:40.08 | wurp2|gone | I highly recomment posting your findings as a response to that email :-) |
| 16:41.13 | Kagee | *doh* .... how :-? |
| 16:41.22 | Kagee | i'm not uset do mailing lists |
| 16:42.09 | Dave | :D |
| 16:42.17 | Dave | yeah, it blows |
| 16:42.27 | Dave | get used to it, or grow old. |
| 16:42.50 | wurp2|gone | Kagee: Well, if nothing else, fake it up by sending an email to the correct list address with RE: <original title> and paste in the original content |
| 16:43.09 | Kagee | or... posting it to trac ? |
| 16:43.10 | wurp2|gone | I'm sure some mail clients let you hand-set the reply-to id, but I dunno which one you use or how to do it |
| 16:43.37 | wurp2|gone | Kagee: Posting it to trac is probably almost as good, but if you send an email to the ML many more people will see the solution |
| 16:43.46 | wurp2|gone | and raise hell if it doesn't get integrated into the releases :-) |
| 16:45.34 | Kagee | the only problem is that AT%N028B locks up minicom, so i have to kill it gently. Then it shuts down and resets the modem, and my next call in echo free |
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| 16:45.50 | Tig|_ | Gnutoo: sorry, just popped back in and need to dash off to get some beer :) one quick thought is that on a normal mobile phone if you dial *#100# it sends you your number back (not sure if this is implemented on any of the openmoko stacks yet but if you used the AT commands for dialing and sent it *#100# it might be in the output from the network :) |
| 16:45.58 | Dave | kill it gently? |
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| 16:46.23 | Kagee | kill <pid>, (i think thats -15) not kill -9 <pid> |
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| 16:46.53 | Kagee | "terminate", not kill |
| 16:47.07 | Dave | bah |
| 16:47.10 | Gnutoo | Tig|_, i tried on my mobilephone and it didn't work but i'm abroad... |
| 16:47.11 | baba_melone | hm, I now managed to configure my wpa_supplicant.conf properly, but I still do not get an ip address, udhcpc eth0, right? |
| 16:47.39 | baba_melone | It just says sending disconver... |
| 16:47.45 | baba_melone | *discover |
| 16:48.08 | baba_melone | wpa_supplicant told me it would be associated |
| 16:48.08 | Tig|_ | Gnutoo: ah, right I am off, back later :) hope you get it sorted :) |
| 16:48.23 | Gnutoo | Tig|_, ok thanks, bye |
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| 16:52.27 | FxChiP | hey |
| 16:52.35 | FxChiP | How much access can you get to phone functions? |
| 16:52.53 | apollo13 | how can I test gps on the fso image? |
| 16:53.39 | mjr | FxChiP, to the extent of talking AT commands with the gsm module |
| 16:53.40 | apollo13 | tangogps should connect to the gps daemon at 127.0.0.1:2947 or? but there is nothing running |
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| 16:53.59 | Dave | fso doesn't use gpsd |
| 16:54.53 | apollo13 | ok, it uses gypsy |
| 16:54.59 | apollo13 | as far as I understand |
| 16:55.07 | Dave | dbus \o/ |
| 16:55.20 | apollo13 | does tangogps connect over dbus? |
| 16:55.39 | Dave | on fso |
| 16:55.55 | Dave | it uses the framework, last time I checked. |
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| 16:56.24 | FxChiP | mjr, could you put the GSM module into an equivalent to Promiscuous Mode? |
| 16:56.32 | Gnutoo | by the way does someone knows well AT commands?AT+CPBR=1 gives me that: +CPBR: 1,"",0,"Mon No SFR" but in that message i see no phone number and i'd like to have my own phone number in my nozomi card(i don't know where else to ask....mabe someone knows where?) |
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| 16:59.53 | *** topic/#openmoko is Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | DO NOT USE buildhost.openmoko.org TO UPGRADE 2008.8 IT WILL NEVER EVER WORK | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
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| 17:01.47 | wurp2|gone | Dave: Hey there |
| 17:02.06 | Dave | :) |
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| 17:02.34 | wurp2|gone | Kagee: awesome, thanks! |
| 17:02.46 | wurp2|gone | Man, I am so out of it any more |
| 17:02.55 | Kagee | hope it works for more than me |
| 17:03.11 | wurp2|gone | I haven't updated the release on my neo in weeks... I've never tried any ASU, or debian |
| 17:03.20 | wurp2|gone | Kagee: me too :-) |
| 17:03.56 | Kagee | i just god my phone yesterday, an i've reflashed itt 5 times since then :-) |
| 17:04.13 | wurp2|gone | wow |
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| 17:04.38 | wurp2|gone | How did you find the AT%N028B command? |
| 17:04.48 | Kagee | I looked ! :-) |
| 17:04.59 | dolf1074 | to what? |
| 17:05.02 | Kagee | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td784752|a786187 |
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| 17:07.13 | Kagee | irritating that i only have one terminal on the phone, so i have to connect to a pc to make echo free callls |
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| 17:08.03 | XorA | I thought qtopia now issued that command |
| 17:08.21 | mjr | FxChiP, nnnno |
| 17:09.06 | Dave | asu, bbq...XORA |
| 17:10.04 | Kagee | XorA: 4 days ago someone said it would be in "testing feeds for a couple of days", annd i'm using only stable upgrades. |
| 17:10.19 | XorA | it should be in 2008.9 AFAIK |
| 17:10.22 | XorA | which is soon |
| 17:10.32 | Kagee | and, that's only one of the AT-commands and none of the audio, i guess |
| 17:11.25 | Kagee | AT%N0187 is in testing, but i have echo until i do AT%N028B as well. |
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| 17:15.00 | Dave | heh |
| 17:15.08 | Dave | yo xora |
| 17:15.17 | Dave | Why did BH get fucked? |
| 17:15.25 | Dave | Furthermore, was it YOUR decision? |
| 17:16.06 | Tm_T | erp, BH? |
| 17:16.16 | Dave | buildhost |
| 17:16.21 | Tm_T | ah |
| 17:16.34 | Tm_T | that doesn't sound good then |
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| 17:17.41 | Dave | it's been "offline" for about a week now |
| 17:17.42 | Dave | or something |
| 17:17.53 | Dave | someone fucked the servar or took it out, or SOMETHING |
| 17:18.24 | Kagee | Didn't they move everything from BH to DL ? |
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| 17:18.50 | Kagee | buildhost. to download. |
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| 17:19.15 | Dave | something like that, maybe. |
| 17:19.34 | Dave | It was never publicly announced though |
| 17:19.40 | sicu | spot on ... it's all in DL now |
| 17:20.00 | Dave | I think the maintainers of the repos should be fired. |
| 17:20.08 | Dave | They are clearly some of the most uneducated people I've ever met. |
| 17:20.18 | Dave | and I am being courteous, others might want them shot :p |
| 17:20.46 | wyeager | I don't think they'd be able to do a better job if they were dead. |
| 17:20.47 | Kagee | you can't update a fabric-fresh FR running 2007.2 anymore (they're using buildhost) - that, i found out after scratching my head for 32 hours |
| 17:21.04 | Kagee | 2 hours, even |
| 17:22.30 | sicu | accessing the url gives you all the info you need as to what's happened, ML and where they've moved it to: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/ |
| 17:22.56 | sicu | kagee: in my case it truly would have been 32 hrs :p |
| 17:23.05 | Dave | sicu sicu sicu |
| 17:23.11 | Wonka | 2007.2 was at least usable - 2008.8 was not, when i tried it |
| 17:23.17 | sicu | dave dave dave ^^ |
| 17:23.27 | Wonka | and 2007.2 is gone from about everywhere. |
| 17:23.34 | Dave | :D |
| 17:23.38 | Kagee | sicu, it says nothing about how to change it |
| 17:23.40 | Dave | 2007.2 is awesome! |
| 17:23.42 | wurp2|gone | Kagee: Scratching your head for 32 hours results in a bloody finger |
| 17:23.51 | Kagee | 2 hours! 2 ! |
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| 17:23.59 | sicu | wonka: cannot comment on that... still using 2007.2 here :/ |
| 17:24.02 | wurp2|gone | Kagee: :-) |
| 17:24.34 | Kagee | How can i find out how much space is left on my phone :-? |
| 17:24.41 | wyeager | df |
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| 17:25.05 | Kagee | ahh |
| 17:25.44 | sicu | Kagee: you're right ... i was convinced that it gave me the fix (must've found it somewhere else, sry) |
| 17:25.55 | Sargun_Screen | df -h |
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| 17:26.23 | Kagee | Sargun_Screen, even better |
| 17:27.24 | Wonka | sicu: me too |
| 17:27.36 | sicu | should i update to 2008.8? even though everything works for me in 2007.2 ? |
| 17:27.56 | sicu | wonka: though i run gentoo on it too ;) |
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| 17:28.21 | Dave | ricer! |
| 17:28.27 | sicu | ^^ |
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| 17:28.44 | Dave | :P |
| 17:28.48 | wyeager | gentoo != rice |
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| 17:29.19 | Kagee | hmm. havwe anyone installed g++ on their phone? |
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| 17:29.49 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * rcc3f0ae5b601 10/ (10 files): Initial import |
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| 17:33.48 | Dave | :D |
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| 17:38.52 | sicu | Kagee: i found a blog somewhere about g++ and the , but cannot find it atm :/ |
| 17:39.08 | sicu | *and the FR |
| 17:39.13 | Kagee | i havet got any headers :-? |
| 17:39.23 | Kagee | iostream not found |
| 17:39.32 | Dave | heh |
| 17:39.34 | Dave | SICUS |
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| 17:46.24 | bricode | Dave: Well, I'm working on getting a buildhost up and more public. |
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| 17:48.04 | FxChiP | mjr, fair enough |
| 17:48.20 | FxChiP | Can you get audio access to it? (could I play my favorite music directly into a phone call?) |
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| 17:49.53 | bricode | Dave: It may even be accessible from the New Yorks. |
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| 17:51.48 | Dave | :) |
| 17:51.55 | Dave | Bricode, excellent! |
| 17:52.44 | bricode | Dave: Am already compiling 2007.2 tree, looking at adding others, and putting them in a non-sucky directory format. |
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| 17:53.30 | Dave | :) |
| 17:53.32 | Dave | yeah! |
| 17:53.57 | bricode | Dave: Sidenote, what do you do for a living besides hang out here? |
| 17:54.16 | Dave | heh |
| 17:54.21 | Dave | I'll let you know in a bit :P |
| 17:54.35 | Dave | It's kind of like ... you "working" at the south pole, if you catch my drift ;) |
| 17:55.09 | bricode | Dave: Fair enough, but I'd be interesting in hearing about it some day. |
| 17:55.18 | bricode | interested even. |
| 17:56.23 | Dave | Certainly :) |
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| 18:12.34 | KyleO | just got his freerunner |
| 18:12.37 | KyleO | luffs |
| 18:13.13 | Dave | ;) |
| 18:13.30 | KyleO | is in the process of flashing it |
| 18:13.30 | FxChiP | :) |
| 18:13.47 | KyleO | It's too slow, I want to use it D= |
| 18:13.57 | FxChiP | If I had the money and it had EDGE |
| 18:14.03 | FxChiP | and a camera |
| 18:14.09 | FxChiP | I'd be all over that shit |
| 18:14.10 | Dave | hah |
| 18:14.44 | KyleO | Well, I figure a 14 day grace return period is long enough for me to decide if it's worth it |
| 18:15.14 | Dave | brokenmoko |
| 18:16.28 | phrozen77_ | lol |
| 18:16.34 | tg | hai |
| 18:16.37 | phrozen77_ | talking about brokenmoko |
| 18:16.41 | phrozen77_ | anyone wants to buy mine? |
| 18:16.49 | Zorkman | 50$! |
| 18:17.10 | phrozen77_ | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180285661027 |
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| 18:17.19 | slaxxin | Installing kernel image and modules |
| 18:17.19 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.21 | slaxxin | wget: bad address 'downloads.openmoko.org' |
| 18:18.34 | Dave | :O |
| 18:18.39 | Dave | omgwtfbbq |
| 18:18.41 | tamin | I am currently updating with no problems |
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| 18:18.45 | FxChiP | define brokenmoko |
| 18:18.58 | tamin | here downloads.openmoko.org is resolved |
| 18:19.29 | Dave | phrozen, you're selling yours? |
| 18:20.04 | phrozen77_ | Dave, yup |
| 18:20.09 | phrozen77_ | im sick of it |
| 18:20.23 | mwester | it, or the lack of working software? |
| 18:20.31 | Kagee | slaxxin: add http:// |
| 18:20.44 | phrozen77_ | and the hardware that displays behaviour that was unacceptable 1995 already |
| 18:21.01 | zogs | error with I have some problem with Raster's keyboard on om2008-update: error collect with opkg install illume-config-illume |
| 18:22.00 | Dave | phrozen, haha |
| 18:22.09 | phrozen77_ | im srs |
| 18:22.14 | Dave | phrozen, hoping to buy an iphone? |
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| 18:22.25 | phrozen77_ | i did already |
| 18:22.31 | phrozen77_ | just waiting for it to get shipped |
| 18:22.43 | phrozen77_ | already got a bootload of pirated apps waiting :P |
| 18:22.56 | mwester | Doesn't have to be an iphone to beat the freerunner. Any old $20 junker can make calls and charge the battery correctly. |
| 18:23.41 | Zorkman | yeah, but can any $20 junker....eeeuh...help me out here guys... :) |
| 18:23.49 | Dave | phrozen, hahaha |
| 18:23.52 | Dave | ass |
| 18:23.57 | phrozen77_ | Zorkman, fail like the FR? |
| 18:23.58 | phrozen77_ | no |
| 18:23.58 | mwester | Zorkman: panic the kernel? |
| 18:23.59 | zash | Zorkman: poke in the krenel! |
| 18:24.04 | phrozen77_ | absolutely positively NO |
| 18:24.06 | snp | mwester: depends on what way you are comparing them. In many ways no phone can compete to freerunner.. :) |
| 18:24.16 | Dave | zorkman, but can it please your girlfriend? :D |
| 18:24.24 | Dave | ha HA! |
| 18:24.32 | mwester | snp: Yep. I've never seen a phone that's so poorly understood even by its manufacturer. |
| 18:24.33 | Zorkman | Dave: no, but it CAN annoy her :D |
| 18:24.45 | Dave | :D |
| 18:24.47 | zash | Dave: spraypaint the plastic pink |
| 18:24.51 | zash | then girls will love it |
| 18:24.51 | phrozen77_ | lol |
| 18:24.51 | Dave | HOT |
| 18:24.53 | Dave | :D |
| 18:24.57 | Dave | I'll get right on it! |
| 18:24.59 | phrozen77_ | that'll boost the WAF by 200% |
| 18:25.06 | snp | mwester: I think you missunderstood me, I meant in a FOSS way. |
| 18:25.10 | Kagee | I need a 101 to mailing lists. Anyone? |
| 18:25.23 | mwester | Don't forget to stick the little plastic jewels all over the pink painted case, too. |
| 18:25.40 | snp | I mean, why buy an iPhone if you have to jailbreak it in order to actually fully use it? That's wrong IMO.. |
| 18:25.47 | phrozen77_ | hm |
| 18:25.53 | phrozen77_ | thats no different than the fr |
| 18:26.00 | zash | but, it is! |
| 18:26.05 | Zorkman | Kagee: have a seat, how can I help you? |
| 18:26.06 | phrozen77_ | you also do need to do a SHITLOAD of things to it to barely work |
| 18:26.35 | Dave | phrozen, all you've done since day one is complain, and make us hold your hand. |
| 18:26.41 | wurp2|gone | phrozen77_: I guess you didn't read, or didn't believe, the developers only warning? |
| 18:26.43 | snp | I rest my case |
| 18:26.56 | sicu | Kagee: mailing lists: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/ ..and.. https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support |
| 18:26.57 | Dave | huhu |
| 18:27.05 | Dave | sicu =) |
| 18:27.09 | wurp2|gone | I do agree that there are a lot of things wrong, and movement is not nearly as fast as it needs to be |
| 18:27.11 | phrozen77_ | whatever, i'll be more than happy if stuff gets sorted out to an acceptable level |
| 18:27.19 | wurp2|gone | but, everyone who bought one was amply warned |
| 18:27.24 | phrozen77_ | to give it one more chance* |
| 18:27.54 | Kagee | Zorkman, sicu, i know where they are, i'm subscribed, and i've read them, but never posted to one |
| 18:28.24 | wurp2|gone | Kagee: Just send an email to the list address |
| 18:28.35 | wurp2|gone | The same one you see in everyone's 'To:' |
| 18:29.07 | Kagee | and if i want to answer ? |
| 18:29.33 | wurp2|working | Or just hit reply to one of the existing list emails and edit the subject & content, then ignore all the griping about how you screwed up the reply-to id & the mail threading |
| 18:29.43 | wurp2|working | Kagee: Just reply to all, as normal |
| 18:30.18 | Kagee | with or without Re: ? (reply) |
| 18:30.20 | FxChiP | okay |
| 18:30.21 | FxChiP | So |
| 18:30.33 | FxChiP | From what I understand, people apparently bought phones with no idea what they were getting into, hoping for a Linux iPhone |
| 18:30.38 | FxChiP | That was complete and ready to go |
| 18:30.40 | FxChiP | Correct? |
| 18:30.52 | Kagee | FxChiP: not me |
| 18:31.27 | wurp2|working | Kagee: With, if you're replying, although that's not terribly important |
| 18:31.27 | sicu | Kagee: with Re: and the topic you're replying to |
| 18:31.37 | wurp2|working | FxChiP: Well, I think it's a mix |
| 18:31.45 | FxChiP | (By the way: bragging about your pirated apps is a quick way to lose any respect you might've had) |
| 18:31.49 | sicu | or what wurp said :p |
| 18:31.57 | Dave | :p |
| 18:32.25 | wurp2|working | Of people who didn't really understand the degree to which it is a developer's phone (not suitable for daily use unless you can tolerate 6 hr max life and possibly losing 20% of incoming calls) |
| 18:32.26 | sicu | looks to me like dave need a slap :p |
| 18:32.58 | sicu | but i'm too tired |
| 18:33.02 | wurp2|working | and people who are frustrated because the list of problems seems very surmountable, but seems to shift around instead of actually improving in a consistent way |
| 18:33.04 | sicu | -_- |
| 18:33.22 | mwester | wurp2|working: There's the time factor as well. I don't think anyone expected so amazingly little progress in so incredibly much time. |
| 18:33.24 | sicu | i love my FR, best phone i ever had |
| 18:33.34 | wurp2|working | mwester: Yeah, that's what I really meant by the last comment |
| 18:33.48 | donomo | sicu: what software image do you use? |
| 18:33.59 | FxChiP | Well, at least the second one I can understand. |
| 18:34.02 | wurp2|working | Some problems have been there forever, and go away for a couple of weeks then come back |
| 18:34.07 | Dave | snakker du til meg!? |
| 18:34.07 | sicu | 2007.2 until further notice |
| 18:34.30 | wurp2|working | And others have been there forever, and there are workarounds that are a pain and never seem to get consistently pulled into a full release |
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| 18:34.34 | Kagee | Dave, probaly not |
| 18:34.45 | mwester | What annoys me is the attention that Om is paying to "window-dressing", while fundamentals such as suspend/resume and basic GSM calling handling are totally forgotten, and left to the community (who has no access to the proprietary docs required to solve those issues). |
| 18:34.51 | snp | Dave: norks? |
| 18:34.55 | snp | Dave: norsk.. |
| 18:34.59 | Dave | ja |
| 18:35.01 | wurp2|working | mwester: agreed entirely |
| 18:35.06 | snp | Dave: okej :) |
| 18:35.11 | Dave | Kagee :D |
| 18:35.16 | Kagee | snp: #openmoko-no |
| 18:35.19 | Wonka | mwester: agreed |
| 18:35.20 | Dave | jajaja snakker! |
| 18:35.25 | Dave | sicu! |
| 18:35.28 | Dave | nooooooooooooo |
| 18:35.41 | sicu|brb | haha |
| 18:35.42 | FxChiP | Makes sense. |
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| 18:35.57 | FxChiP | Battery having to be charged in order to be charged |
| 18:36.02 | FxChiP | = *what* |
| 18:36.04 | Kagee | My SD was fixed when i got it, and now i echofree-ish, and leaving for my cottage w/wall charger and crossed fingers |
| 18:36.10 | Dave | wtfparadoxes! |
| 18:36.11 | Dave | :D |
| 18:36.21 | FxChiP | and yet it exists in FR |
| 18:36.23 | Dave | Kagee :D |
| 18:36.36 | FxChiP | So... yeah, it'd be hella-nice if they'd fix that and the other shit |
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| 18:36.46 | wurp2|working | Is there a solution to fast charging FR from non-OM chargers? |
| 18:36.52 | wurp2|working | Or, do people care about it? |
| 18:36.55 | FxChiP | wurp2|working, try an iPhone charger |
| 18:37.01 | Dave | heh |
| 18:37.01 | FxChiP | 5V output, takes a USB cable |
| 18:37.02 | Dave | awesome |
| 18:37.08 | FxChiP | I heard it might work somewhere :p |
| 18:37.12 | wurp2|working | FxChiP: I have a gta01, and I have a charger solution (fastChargeChecker) |
| 18:37.31 | wurp2|working | I'm wondering if I should fix it to work on FR sooner rather than later |
| 18:37.40 | wurp2|working | (it == fastChargeChecker) |
| 18:37.41 | mjr | wurp2|working, it's software-controllable, I think someone's program here had an UI for it as well... |
| 18:37.44 | Kagee | wurp2|working: isn't there a software solution? |
| 18:38.05 | wurp2|working | Kagee, mjr: I guess that's what I was asking |
| 18:38.10 | mjr | wonders if it was ieatlint |
| 18:38.11 | phrozen77_ | hm |
| 18:38.18 | wurp2|working | FFC is a little nicer than the typical sw solutions I've seen |
| 18:38.19 | phrozen77_ | wasnt fastcharging an option in qtopia? |
| 18:38.22 | phrozen77_ | havent tried it though |
| 18:38.24 | Kagee | wurp2|working the Qtopia image has a "gui" for it (activete fast charging) |
| 18:38.27 | mjr | that's what my fuzzy recollection guesses, anyway |
| 18:38.32 | Kagee | phrozen77_, yes |
| 18:38.39 | wurp2|working | It recognizes a slow charger and automatically pops up big-ass buttons asking if you want to switch to fast charge |
| 18:38.43 | |FiLiP| | yep, qtopia has a menu for fast charging |
| 18:38.45 | ieatlint | mjr, it was me if it pissed people off |
| 18:38.52 | ieatlint | what are you talking about? |
| 18:38.58 | wurp2|working | As opposed to you finding the app, starting it up, pushing a button, then shutting it down |
| 18:39.00 | Dave | LINT! |
| 18:39.09 | ieatlint | hey dave |
| 18:39.13 | mjr | ieatlint, enabling fast charging on non-om chargers on fr |
| 18:39.27 | mjr | ieatlint, somehow I've deluded myself into thinkin you had something for that |
| 18:39.42 | DocScrutinizer | FxChiP: check wiki! it'll work with sw switching |
| 18:39.49 | phrozen77_ | nom nom chargers? :D |
| 18:39.54 | Dave | JOERG :D |
| 18:40.02 | mjr | 5V, nom nom nom |
| 18:40.06 | wurp2|working | So the conclusion is that people are happy with the solutions they have? |
| 18:40.23 | FxChiP | psh |
| 18:40.25 | Dave | Needs more amperage! |
| 18:40.26 | FxChiP | fix yours anyway |
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| 18:40.36 | mjr | is happy with the solution of charging either on the om charger or a computer... |
| 18:40.39 | sicu|brb | very happy, unpredictability makes life more interesting |
| 18:40.41 | FxChiP | wouldn't hurt to have another when the others screw up |
| 18:40.57 | wurp2|working | FxChiP: yeah, I'm just feeling out the urgency |
| 18:41.07 | wurp2|working | Something I shoulda done a month ago, but I've been very busy having a life |
| 18:41.09 | ieatlint | mjr, yeah, there is something |
| 18:41.10 | wurp2|working | :-/ |
| 18:41.12 | FxChiP | nods |
| 18:41.17 | mjr | ieatlint, well, tell it to wurp2|working |
| 18:41.18 | FxChiP | mreh |
| 18:41.20 | mjr | -> home |
| 18:41.35 | ieatlint | http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/batmon/batmon is the binary of it |
| 18:41.47 | ieatlint | it's written in c, precompiled, source at lint.devjavu.com |
| 18:42.45 | wurp2|working | ieatlint: Ah, so you already do it :-) |
| 18:43.31 | Dave | MORE CODE PLEASE |
| 18:43.45 | ieatlint | Dave, i try, but people keep distracting me |
| 18:43.50 | sicu | ieatlint: looks like someone's gonna nab the best of batmon.py and battery.py: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/battery/ |
| 18:43.51 | Dave | Lint give me some! |
| 18:43.56 | ieatlint | they tend to be women.. |
| 18:44.21 | wurp2|working | ieatlint: Hrm, that looks like you run it explicitly, instead of it being a daemon |
| 18:44.57 | Dave | :( |
| 18:45.03 | Dave | damn women |
| 18:45.31 | ieatlint | wurp2|working, of course |
| 18:45.51 | sicu | Dave: there has to be women for you to damn them :p |
| 18:45.58 | wurp2|working | ieatlint: Why of course? I prefer mine, which sits in the background looking for slow chargers, then automatically asks you if you want to charge fast |
| 18:45.58 | Dave | Indeed there are |
| 18:46.00 | Dave | Many. |
| 18:46.03 | ieatlint | because you can't just assume you can use the higher charge value |
| 18:46.10 | Dave | I understand lint's plight. |
| 18:46.15 | wurp2|working | Right-o, that's why I ask :-) |
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| 18:46.19 | jucs | Hey =) |
| 18:46.22 | Dave | It's very cumbersome to code when one sits down in your lap. |
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| 18:46.23 | Dave | JUCS |
| 18:46.28 | jucs | DAVE :-) |
| 18:46.32 | slaxxin | why would the debian install fail to download the kernel? |
| 18:46.32 | Dave | :D |
| 18:46.42 | ieatlint | well, my program is intended to be a patch solution for something that should later be integrated |
| 18:46.46 | jucs | Anyone here who wants to play "Settlers II" with me? :-D |
| 18:47.00 | ieatlint | and unless your program works on the fso framework... it may soon not be as useful :P |
| 18:47.05 | sicu | Dave: =] |
| 18:47.06 | wurp2|working | ieatlint: Yeah, so was mine, when I wrote it 3-4 months ago :-O |
| 18:47.17 | wurp2|working | ieatlint: Easily enough converted |
| 18:47.26 | ieatlint | wurp2|working, well then great :) |
| 18:47.31 | ieatlint | i'm not competing with anyone |
| 18:47.43 | Dave | jucs XD |
| 18:47.47 | Dave | on the freerunner!? |
| 18:47.50 | sicu | i am, but i'm loosing |
| 18:47.50 | ieatlint | except this chinese dude who keeps calling me whitey... bastard is whiter than i am |
| 18:47.55 | wurp2|working | Me neither, I was just trying to see if the need was addressed... honestly, it sounds as if it is |
| 18:47.57 | Dave | haha |
| 18:47.59 | jucs | Dave: Unfortunately no :-( |
| 18:48.04 | Dave | heh yeah |
| 18:48.15 | wurp2|working | I personally much prefer not having to start up an app, but if ppl are happy with what they have, I'm too lazy to fix mine |
| 18:48.18 | wurp2|working | for FR |
| 18:49.08 | sicu | did somebody say beer? |
| 18:49.17 | ieatlint | mmm, beer |
| 18:49.47 | Dave | BEARS!? |
| 18:49.52 | sicu | hah |
| 18:50.19 | ieatlint | s/beer/deer/ |
| 18:50.42 | Dave | hah |
| 18:50.46 | sicu | apt: cheers |
| 18:50.47 | apt | happy christmahanakwanzakuh! |
| 18:50.48 | Dave | Don't eat beef, eat deer! |
| 18:50.54 | Dave | sicu :D |
| 18:51.14 | sicu | hmm, happy whatnow.. |
| 18:51.51 | Dave | eh? |
| 18:51.58 | Dave | apt, god jul? |
| 18:52.51 | sicu | anybody got navit speech working on FR ? |
| 18:53.36 | Dave | anybody got anything working on the freerunner? |
| 18:53.47 | sicu | heh, point taken |
| 18:54.21 | Dave | :p |
| 18:55.19 | sicu | well, i'm off ... time to go out on the town to have me some deer |
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| 18:57.56 | mwester | wishes sicu good luck with the hunting, and hopes he wears his reflective vest. |
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| 19:00.41 | RayDar | Is there a program to connect the USB port to the modem? |
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| 19:01.47 | harnir | hello |
| 19:01.57 | mjr | probably not out of the box, though mickey does forward the modem over the network for development |
| 19:02.30 | mjr | that would require a usb gadget serial driver (probably available) and a simple serial port proxy thing (trivial to code) to do your way |
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| 19:04.14 | mjr | (one might also ask, what do you actually want) |
| 19:05.03 | Kagee | opkg -> An error ocurred, return value: 2. <- whats that, not found, etc ? |
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| 19:06.33 | RayDar | mjr: What I actually want is to connect the phone to my laptop via USB and then use it like a cellular modem. I can do the same thing right now via Bluetooth but USB has advantages. |
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| 19:11.35 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07zhone * rc597ec50f5a6 10/src/zhone: Whitespace fixes, remove tabs |
| 19:11.35 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07zhone * re8840228f0cf 10/src/zhone: Enable location dialog as soon as the GPS DBus object exists |
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| 19:27.15 | donomo | yea for FSO checkins. |
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| 19:32.49 | lindi- | RayDar: why not just route IP packets over USB? |
| 19:32.59 | lindi- | RayDar: that is, why do you want to run pppd on your laptop and not neo? |
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| 19:35.11 | RayDar | lindi-: I have a bigger screen and easier to use keyboard on my laptop. It makes using the Internet a whole lot more productive -- for example while I am the passenger in a car on a road trip. |
| 19:35.48 | RayDar | lindi-: Oh. I see what you mean. |
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| 19:37.52 | mjr | Indeed. |
| 19:39.12 | mjr | also, you can use the tty-over-network redirector (I don't remember the name, ask mickey) if you really want a tty on the computer - that way you can skip configuring the neo to act as a tty device. (There are valid use cases for wanting to run pppd on the host, after all - like skipping NAT) |
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| 19:40.43 | lindi- | mjr: apt-get install ser2net |
| 19:41.13 | mjr | Ack. Something like that. Then bounce a muxer pty from that. |
| 19:42.24 | RayDar | mjr: Yeah, ser2net is what I would need on the laptop. phonebounce could be used on the phone side.... |
| 19:43.32 | RayDar | thanks guys! |
| 19:44.36 | mjr | usually, 'course, nat from the phone is quite sufficient |
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| 20:05.47 | |FiLiP| | lpotter ? you're a troll if i'm not mistaking |
| 20:06.36 | johnsu01 | heh |
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| 20:07.25 | |FiLiP| | do you happen to know if the qtopia builds (native) use any glamo hardware accelerations ? |
| 20:09.03 | mwester | |FiLiP|: I think he's now a noki'ite |
| 20:09.12 | |FiLiP| | indeed ;-) |
| 20:09.54 | |FiLiP| | I do like noki'ites as well, been to Tampere and Helsinki in the past, still got some contacts in there |
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| 20:14.23 | zlfita | yaay, i got my FR today |
| 20:14.39 | zlfita | i wanna use gps and wifi, which image would you suggest? |
| 20:17.14 | Tig| | zlfita: well your options are : 2007.2 2008.8 or FSO all can technically do it :) |
| 20:17.28 | |FiLiP| | and qtopia |
| 20:17.32 | Tig| | I would work through them in that order |
| 20:17.51 | Tig| | |FiLiP|: I was leaving out qtopia as they wanted to use GPS |
| 20:17.58 | CVirus | zlfita: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Features_by_distribution.2Frelease_target |
| 20:18.10 | CVirus | zlfita: might help .. not sure if it's up to date or not though |
| 20:18.13 | zlfita | i guess the device comes woth 2007.2 |
| 20:18.20 | wurp2|working | Tig|: What about debian? Can you not do gps on debian? |
| 20:18.21 | zlfita | s/woth/with |
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| 20:18.42 | Tig| | wurp2|working: good point :) |
| 20:18.45 | |FiLiP| | http://blog.wolfman.com/articles/2008/08/27/porting-xgps-to-qtopia-for-the-freerunner |
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| 20:18.49 | zlfita | CVirus, thanks for the link |
| 20:18.52 | Tm_T | behdad: hi |
| 20:19.19 | behdad | hi Tm_T |
| 20:19.52 | Tm_T | I believe you are our "dpi" defender among the other things |
| 20:20.06 | wurp2|working | That "features by distribution" chart favors debian a bit... |
| 20:20.27 | wurp2|working | Are there any debian users in here? What are the big drawbacks? |
| 20:20.28 | zlfita | seems so |
| 20:20.40 | wurp2|working | (debian on the neo, of course) |
| 20:20.54 | mwester | Big. |
| 20:21.01 | |FiLiP| | as far as i know, it needs a lot space (doesn't fit on nand) |
| 20:21.09 | wurp2|working | I guess I see a lot of (1)s on the chart for debian (1: requires other apps installed) |
| 20:21.27 | zlfita | no problem as long it has da pack manager |
| 20:21.30 | wurp2|working | |FiLiP|: that sounds like a pretty minor drawback to me, if it's less than, say, 600mb |
| 20:21.35 | |FiLiP| | correct me if i'm wrong, but debian uses fso |
| 20:21.46 | wurp2|working | mwester: Big? |
| 20:21.46 | zlfita | yes |
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| 20:21.56 | |FiLiP| | so i think you can use all the debian apps on fso as well |
| 20:22.02 | mwester | Other than size, it's really a testimony to how little has actually been accomplished, that a generic distro has comparable features to any of the specific firmwares! |
| 20:22.09 | wurp2|working | |FiLiP|: Yeah, so lack of an address book that you can make calls from would be a drawback |
| 20:22.29 | wurp2|working | mwester: Sorry, 'Big' makes sense now :-) |
| 20:22.34 | mwester | The lack of an address book is only a problem is you can make phone calls in the first place ;) |
| 20:22.50 | wurp2|working | mwester: Can't you make phone calls consistently from debian, via zhone? |
| 20:23.15 | mwester | I can't make phone calls with *any* distro except the original 2007.2, with a hacked-up image. |
| 20:23.17 | |FiLiP| | from all my tests, the latest qtopia image is the most usable (20080902) |
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| 20:23.27 | wurp2|working | mwester: Not even from e.g. FSO MS1? |
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| 20:23.31 | mwester | Nope. |
| 20:23.37 | wurp2|working | mwester: holy crap! |
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| 20:23.44 | MrSkittle | Hi |
| 20:23.54 | mwester | They just re-register with the network, regardless of which sim or network I use, over and over and over again. |
| 20:23.54 | MrSkittle | so I have the FreeRunner |
| 20:23.56 | wurp2|working | mwester: FSO worked great for me... 2007.2 works OK |
| 20:23.59 | MrSkittle | 2007.2 distribution |
| 20:24.13 | MrSkittle | was using GPS |
| 20:24.24 | mwester | Nobody has any clue what the issue is; it's been noted since the pre-release neos long over a year ago, but nobody can find how to fix the Calypso. |
| 20:24.27 | MrSkittle | It was working great seemed accurate |
| 20:24.27 | wurp2|working | mwester: So Qtopia fails for you, too? |
| 20:24.31 | mwester | Yep |
| 20:24.48 | MrSkittle | I got into the office, and set my neo down |
| 20:24.50 | wurp2|working | mwester: Wow... I lose my cxn occasionally on 2007.2, but fso was rock solid for me |
| 20:24.56 | MrSkittle | suddenly, it flashed 290 |
| 20:25.03 | MrSkittle | I'm going 290 mph? |
| 20:25.05 | wurp2|working | mwester: at least until I started futzing with it, at which point I assumed I busted it |
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| 20:25.15 | MrSkittle | then it flashed again, 342 |
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| 20:25.32 | MrSkittle | apparently I found a way to jump around town at really high speeds |
| 20:25.51 | MrSkittle | but my neo was just sitting there |
| 20:25.51 | zlfita | one more thing, how do i flash this baby? |
| 20:26.17 | wurp2|working | mwester: Have you heard reports from other people having the same problem so consistently? |
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| 20:26.25 | wurp2|working | 'cause that's the first I've heard of it |
| 20:26.37 | wurp2|working | And I would be pretty pissed if it happened to me :-) |
| 20:26.38 | MrSkittle | has anyone else had this issue? |
| 20:26.52 | wurp2|working | MrSkittle: Not that I've heard of |
| 20:26.54 | mwester | They're out there, but I haven't looked at it much since before the migration to Trac -- so the original ticket may not have even been migrated. |
| 20:27.32 | wurp2|working | mwester: Have you pushed OM to maybe exchange your neo & do diagnostics on the busted one? |
| 20:27.42 | mwester | I'm waiting for *something* (anything!) to stabilize to the point where I can start debugging on my own. 2007.2 worked; there has to be some setting that tickles this bad behavior. |
| 20:27.45 | Wonka | somehow, i'd like to try frameworkd, but without removing neod... |
| 20:27.57 | mwester | wurp2|working: I have two neos and a freerunner - they all do it. |
| 20:27.59 | wurp2|working | mwester: Isn't FSO stable enough to test on? |
| 20:28.15 | MrSkittle | I'll try to get another fix and see if it happens again |
| 20:28.25 | wurp2|working | mwester: Hrm... I do have an occasional problem with my neo, but it didn't seem as if it was like your problem |
| 20:28.31 | MrSkittle | it's possible that I just lost a signal from one of the sattelites and it borked |
| 20:28.43 | wurp2|working | Wonka: You can install frameworkd on 2007.2 |
| 20:28.53 | MrSkittle | there is a rather faraday-looking contraption out the window |
| 20:28.54 | Wonka | wurp2|working: from where? |
| 20:28.55 | mwester | wurp2|working: Not last time I tried it; milestone 2 had some problem that made me try a later image, which didn't do anything at all. At that point I started working on the Freerunner "white screen of death" problem and left the SIM problem alone. |
| 20:29.00 | wurp2|working | Wonka: You have to shut down gsmd before you can use it |
| 20:29.16 | Wonka | wurp2|working: no problem, as there's no sim inserted atm |
| 20:29.19 | MrSkittle | it's supposed to be a window shader but it looks like something ment to jam communications. |
| 20:29.23 | mwester | MrSkittle: I would expect you should get no valid data at all rather than such extreme wrong data. |
| 20:29.28 | wurp2|working | Wonka: agh, the fso repos... I think it's configured in FSO MS 2. I don't know what the repo address is or a better way to get it |
| 20:29.34 | Tig| | zlfita: search the wiki for flashing the fr, would give link but supposed to be watching a film am |
| 20:29.42 | mwester | MrSkittle: Can you check your "dmesg" output to see if any serial port errors have been reported? |
| 20:30.02 | mwester | MrSkittle: Never mind; if you are using an older image, the kernel won't be logging serial port errors :( |
| 20:30.10 | wurp2|working | mwester: I haven't tried MS2, but MS1 was happy-making. |
| 20:30.29 | mwester | MS1 was the most encouraging image ever done for the Om hardwaer. |
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| 20:30.44 | MrSkittle | mwester: oic |
| 20:30.45 | tkep | anyway to add aim support to pidgin on openmoko? |
| 20:30.54 | tkep | right now all i got is google talk, irc and i think jabber? |
| 20:31.01 | Tig| | wurp2|working: running a MS2+bearstech stuff and is not as polished it is lovely |
| 20:31.26 | Tig| | tkep: nose around the repo there are ipkgs for msn and aim |
| 20:31.31 | ssweeny | tkep, there is a pidgin-aim or similar package |
| 20:31.37 | tkep | awesome |
| 20:31.39 | tkep | thanks :) |
| 20:31.46 | tkep | this is neato |
| 20:31.56 | Tig| | pidgin is now telepathy/pibpurplebased |
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| 20:33.40 | tkep | opkg install libpurple-protocol-aim |
| 20:33.41 | tkep | :) |
| 20:33.47 | tkep | nothing a little grep couldn't find |
| 20:33.49 | tkep | thanks guys |
| 20:33.54 | tkep | any word on 2008.9? |
| 20:34.23 | Tig| | nooooooooo don't curse it by suggesting a release :) |
| 20:34.47 | Tig| | it has been mentioned by SMP though |
| 20:34.47 | wurp2|working | Tig|: I'm confused... it is not as polished, and it is lovely? |
| 20:34.57 | Wonka | hmmm. FSO MS3 is scheduled for today or tomorrow... *wait* |
| 20:35.04 | Tig| | wurp2|working: which? |
| 20:36.06 | Tig| | ah FSO is not as polished as FSO possibly which is a fair comment |
| 20:36.10 | wurp2|working | Tig|: You said "running a MS2+bearstech stuff and is not as polished it is lovely" |
| 20:36.14 | wurp2|working | Which I didn't understand |
| 20:36.17 | Tig| | ah |
| 20:36.40 | Tig| | sorry it is not a polished experience but it works and in the most part it is lovely :) |
| 20:36.50 | wurp2|working | OK, excellent |
| 20:36.52 | Tig| | swap a for as |
| 20:37.04 | Tig| | with the small niggle of sms |
| 20:39.10 | wurp2|working | Tig|: The sms issue is that there's no notification? |
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| 20:39.29 | xdanielsx_ | hi |
| 20:39.42 | xdanielsx_ | whats up# |
| 20:39.53 | Tig| | yeah and that as a daily usage it is is not really usable |
| 20:40.02 | xdanielsx_ | hello??? |
| 20:40.11 | Tig| | xdanielsx_: 'ning |
| 20:40.48 | Tig| | wurp2|working: mind you the FSO image is a demo/testing environment |
| 20:40.58 | wurp2|working | Tig|: Yeah, I know |
| 20:41.22 | wurp2|working | So no one here is running debian? |
| 20:41.49 | Zorkman | wurp2|working: #openmoko-debian |
| 20:41.53 | wurp2|working | Or at least, no one who's still awake |
| 20:41.57 | wurp2|working | Zorkman: Oh. Thanks! |
| 20:42.07 | Zorkman | np, it's free |
| 20:42.31 | |FiLiP| | free as in beer ? |
| 20:42.40 | MrSkittle | NO. |
| 20:42.47 | MrSkittle | Debian royalties go to me. |
| 20:44.14 | jaj | anyone running netbsd? |
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| 20:44.33 | Tig| | jaj: heh :) |
| 20:45.14 | Tig| | jaj: shame really it is a bit of an end of an era :( |
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| 20:46.02 | jaj | Tig|: how do you mean? |
| 20:46.38 | Tig| | jaj: unless there are netbsd freerunners outthere? |
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| 20:47.23 | Tig| | I would love to hear that there are :) |
| 20:48.13 | wurp2|working | Zorkman: Do people ever talk in #openmoko-debian ? :-) |
| 20:48.32 | Zorkman | don't know, it's only the second or third time i've been there :) |
| 20:48.42 | Zorkman | typed the address to check i wasn't telling lies to you :) |
| 20:48.42 | Tig| | wurp2|working: they are in a meeting :) |
| 20:48.50 | lpotter | mwester: mne used to reregister over and over, but it seems to be fixed for me now |
| 20:48.58 | kirun | I'm pretty sure mentioning "this doesn't run netbsd" to the devs will be seen as a challenge :) |
| 20:49.04 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1966: The qtopia addressbook does not provide a search bar ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1966 ) |
| 20:49.16 | mwester | lpotter: I upgraded to the latest image as of a week ago (4.4), same problem. |
| 20:49.21 | mwester | :( |
| 20:49.50 | wurp2|working | I have a totally offtopic question |
| 20:50.00 | MrSkittle | ASK |
| 20:50.08 | Zorkman | YES |
| 20:50.14 | wurp2|working | My 7 yr old has been having a great time building little circuits in the electronics game in gcompris |
| 20:50.25 | Tig| | wurp2|working: is it the one about why brown cows eat green grass and give white milk? |
| 20:50.27 | Zorkman | and he got electrocuted? |
| 20:50.35 | wurp2|working | Anyone know what the hell that's called? I'd like to find one that has more components than just the switches, batteries, and lights |
| 20:50.41 | jaj | kirun: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NetBSD |
| 20:50.42 | mwester | rolls his eyes at Zorkman |
| 20:51.00 | wurp2|working | And I'd like to install it on my linux box... he's playing it on the XO |
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| 20:51.02 | MrSkittle | Hmmm... |
| 20:51.19 | wurp2|working | er, I'd like to install it on my ubuntu desktop |
| 20:51.28 | MrSkittle | sudo apt-get install gcompris |
| 20:51.29 | wurp2|working | google was teh fail on this one |
| 20:51.40 | kirun | And the balance in the universe is restored :) |
| 20:52.01 | wurp2|working | Yeah, I know how to install gcompris... but I'm almost certain there is a more advanced version of the app |
| 20:52.10 | lindi- | wurp2|working: qucs has all the components you need |
| 20:52.19 | wurp2|working | lindi-: Thank you! |
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| 20:53.30 | wurp2|working | lindi-: OK, i think I actually did see that one... I'll see if I can get him interested in it |
| 20:53.32 | lindi- | wurp2|working: it usses gnucap for the simulation so you can define totally new ones too |
| 20:53.45 | wurp2|working | I was hoping for lights that light up like in the gcompris version |
| 20:54.10 | wurp2|working | Maybe I can define them using gnucap if I can't find them |
| 20:54.41 | lindi- | wurp2|working: ill tell you more when ihave real keyboard |
| 20:57.53 | zlfita | correct me but i think ubuntu is suuposed to detect an interface named usb0 when I plug usb cable with 2007.2 |
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| 21:00.45 | Torikun | My distro no longer detects usb 0 either |
| 21:00.53 | Torikun | anyone know the module? |
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| 21:01.16 | zlfita | g_ether, maybe |
| 21:01.18 | Tig| | zlfita: it does usually if not unplug and try again |
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| 21:01.53 | zlfita | ok, lets see |
| 21:02.16 | Torikun | no such device |
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| 21:02.30 | Tig| | usually it detects it and the network mangler helps out by routing all your traffic via it so you need to left click on NW and select your normal connection |
| 21:02.54 | blubs | Torikun: on the openmoko or on your laptop/pc ? |
| 21:03.18 | zlfita | there it is |
| 21:03.48 | blubs | where ? |
| 21:04.03 | Tig| | does the debian image really ship with all of the apps listed here? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Features_by_distribution.2Frelease_target |
| 21:04.17 | Tig| | or is it stuff available in the repos |
| 21:05.11 | Tig| | because the Yes(1) tag could be applied elsewhere pretty liberally :) |
| 21:05.33 | Zilla | HI all, does someon eknows where i can find more info on how to get om2008.8 working on qemu? |
| 21:06.40 | Tig| | Zilla: in what way? what steps have you done so far |
| 21:06.43 | Tig| | ? |
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| 21:07.08 | Torikun | The new Microsoft /Seinfeld commercial sucks! |
| 21:07.08 | Tig| | did you start here ? : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu |
| 21:08.03 | Zilla | yes |
| 21:08.20 | Zilla | i downloaded a zip file (windows) |
| 21:08.45 | Zilla | but that thing has an pretty old software ;) |
| 21:10.07 | ftnt | hi everybody. I'm using 2008.8 and freerunner but I've been told that the microphone volume is low when talking, is there a fix? |
| 21:10.27 | Zilla | i downloaded the prebuild binaries from http://yorick.keymeulen.com/openmoko-emulator-bin-20070625.rar |
| 21:11.02 | Zorkman | they are very old :) |
| 21:11.11 | Zorkman | I only uploaded them because someone asked for them |
| 21:11.33 | Zilla | well do you know how to set up 2008.8 in qemu? |
| 21:11.40 | Zilla | or an site with instructions ;) |
| 21:11.41 | Zorkman | Zilla: no, sorry |
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| 21:12.02 | Zorkman | there is somewhere a blog like thing with instructions but I can't find it anymore |
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| 21:12.57 | zlfita | is this normal?: |
| 21:13.04 | zlfita | root@om-gta02:~# opkg update |
| 21:13.05 | zlfita | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz |
| 21:13.05 | zlfita | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig |
| 21:13.05 | zlfita | Signature check failed |
| 21:13.05 | zlfita | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/Packages.gz |
| 21:13.07 | zlfita | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/Packages.sig |
| 21:13.09 | zlfita | Signature check failed |
| 21:13.12 | zlfita | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/neo1973/Packages.gz |
| 21:13.14 | zlfita | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/neo1973/Packages.sig |
| 21:13.17 | zlfita | Signature check failed |
| 21:13.26 | lindi- | zlfita: how about not pasting that to channel? ;) |
| 21:13.39 | zlfita | sorry |
| 21:13.40 | methril|laptop | use pastebin |
| 21:13.47 | johnsu01 | zlfita: and yes, that's normal |
| 21:13.56 | blubs | Zilla: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu |
| 21:13.57 | Zorkman | Zilla: signatures are not yet implemented |
| 21:14.17 | Zilla | qeand that means? signatures are not yet implemented.///// |
| 21:14.28 | zlfita | this is not qemu |
| 21:14.42 | zlfita | then how do i install new packages to a new FR? |
| 21:15.03 | Zilla | so i cant run 2008.8 in qemu ? :( |
| 21:15.27 | lindi- | Zilla: isn't qemu only hardware simulation? |
| 21:15.42 | Zilla | yes it is i suppose? |
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| 21:16.17 | lindi- | Zilla: so how could userland software care? |
| 21:16.49 | Zilla | well i just want to try om2008.8 |
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| 21:24.32 | donomo | zlfita: with opkg install <pkg name> |
| 21:25.16 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * r05e92352ad99 10/ (ChangeLog fso-gpsd.c): Fixed NMEA latitude and longitude generation for negative values |
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| 22:05.00 | Wonka | i am currently installing debian on my FR... |
| 22:06.42 | Wonka | is there any reason to have an extra partition for /boot? |
| 22:08.12 | viq | ugh, how do i disable the clicking sound on 2007? |
| 22:08.30 | viq | Wonka: if you have a large card it's not a good idea to have kernel far on it |
| 22:08.48 | Wonka | viq: good point |
| 22:09.06 | cjb | viq: you can just rm it, if you like |
| 22:09.11 | cjb | it's in something like /usr/share/sounds |
| 22:09.19 | Wonka | aaaargh. clicking sounds are a common problem on some ADSL2+ IADs at work... |
| 22:09.42 | viq | I don't like to rm stuff, I prefer to disable things so I can go back ;) |
| 22:09.49 | cjb | viq: mv, then |
| 22:10.06 | viq | heh |
| 22:10.45 | viq | I was hoping more along the lines of echo dont_click > /proc/myprefs or > ~/.myconfig ;) |
| 22:11.12 | Wonka | there is some config file somewhere |
| 22:11.16 | Wonka | am just searching |
| 22:11.24 | Wonka | /etc/pulse/session |
| 22:11.51 | Wonka | comment out this line: |
| 22:11.52 | Wonka | load-sample touchscreen /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/touchscreen_click.wav |
| 22:12.47 | viq | thanks |
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| 22:15.08 | Kensan | Has anybody built "ASU" lately? I seeing build troubles with qtopia-phone-x11. |
| 22:15.18 | Sargun_Screen | nope. |
| 22:15.29 | Kensan | the linker does not find "Xext" |
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| 22:18.17 | Kensan | libxext has been built succesfully though. |
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| 22:24.00 | RXShorty | Hello all... just a quick question |
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| 22:24.37 | RXShorty | Has the 2008.8 a qwerty keyboard? |
| 22:24.39 | Tig| | RXShorty: oh dear, one of those :) go on then :) |
| 22:24.46 | RXShorty | hehehe |
| 22:25.01 | RXShorty | Because I can't figure out how that default keyboard works... |
| 22:25.15 | ftnt | RXShorty it is possible to install one |
| 22:25.21 | RXShorty | hmm ok |
| 22:25.25 | KenYoung | RXShorty, You may install a different, more sensible keyboard. |
| 22:25.32 | RXShorty | but how to do that using the default keyboard |
| 22:25.43 | RXShorty | i don't have SSH I want to connect to my wireless |
| 22:25.47 | RXShorty | but that keyboard... |
| 22:26.05 | Tig| | RXShorty: have a read here :) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate |
| 22:26.29 | Tig| | it explains all |
| 22:26.37 | RXShorty | going to check Tigl |
| 22:26.38 | RXShorty | thanks |
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| 22:33.04 | Kensan | Seems like commit http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=commit;h=8d8376fdeb85349d8948b928029706c2d1c7cd6e is breaking the build. |
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| 22:58.15 | Kensan | Reverting that commit still gives the same linker error. |
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| 23:31.16 | undrwater1 | 8-) |
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| 23:38.38 | jonsmith1982 | whats the battery life like on the neo freerunner at present? |
| 23:38.53 | RXShorty | depends |
| 23:38.58 | RXShorty | on what you are running |
| 23:39.11 | RXShorty | Qtopia on my phone runs for about 7 till 8 hours |
| 23:39.16 | RXShorty | then it is pretty empty |
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| 23:40.05 | jonsmith1982 | any hopes of a better battery life in the future? any plans? |
| 23:40.12 | RXShorty | well yes |
| 23:40.27 | RXShorty | the battery life is still a big issue |
| 23:41.10 | jonsmith1982 | but software changes surely cant make much of a difference? |
| 23:41.17 | RXShorty | jonsmith1982 check it out: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery |
| 23:41.29 | RXShorty | it surely can yes, it is all still pretty heavy |
| 23:41.36 | RXShorty | so much processor usage etc |
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| 23:42.31 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is a sftware thing almost totally. |
| 23:43.06 | kd8ikt | considering it has from what i hear a great power management unit |
| 23:43.12 | SpeedEvil | From reasonable extrapolations, it looks like on the order of 20h mp3 playing, 4-6 hours on a call, and a week standby should be completely possible. |
| 23:43.20 | SpeedEvil | The PMU isn't. |
| 23:43.29 | kd8ikt | but getting everything to work together.... is a different story |
| 23:43.44 | SpeedEvil | It's not really very involved with power managment paradoxically. |
| 23:43.52 | SpeedEvil | Apart from the very lowest modes. |
| 23:43.53 | kd8ikt | really? |
| 23:44.19 | SpeedEvil | It's more configuring stuff into low power modes, and setting up stuff so that it's in the same state when it comes back. |
| 23:44.45 | SpeedEvil | The PMU is almost the easy bit - it's just several on/off switches. |
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| 23:45.21 | SpeedEvil | It's like cooking. You have on/off knobs - but the ingredients are the hard part. |
| 23:45.45 | RXShorty | heh |
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| 23:45.47 | RXShorty | nice quote |
| 23:47.48 | SpeedEvil | That was original. |
| 23:47.57 | RXShorty | ahh |
| 23:48.01 | RXShorty | nice to quote |
| 23:48.02 | RXShorty | :) |
| 23:49.16 | RXShorty | well got to go guys! |
| 23:49.18 | RXShorty | Goodnight! |
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| 23:56.56 | Kensan | I was missing some libs on the buildhost... |
| 23:58.05 | Kensan | Can somebody explain to me why building qtopia-phone-x11 in openembedded would need libraries from the host to link successfully? |
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