| 00:08.37 | ljp | nope. not a broken image. i removed the splash thingy :) |
| 00:09.46 | edistar | ljp: okey ;) |
| 00:09.53 | edistar | not necessary anyway |
| 00:10.04 | lindi- | edistar: hmm, good news, i can remember i had the same garbled voice in the morning _before_ i had installed the invisible shield |
| 00:10.15 | edistar | _good_? |
| 00:10.24 | edistar | it were nicer if that shield were the problem |
| 00:10.31 | lindi- | good in the sense that installing the invisible shield probably didn't cause it :) |
| 00:10.39 | edistar | yeah, okey |
| 00:12.09 | edistar | and you didn't disassemble it before I presume? |
| 00:16.02 | *** part/#openmoko RayDar (n=raydar@c-67-171-26-100.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 00:16.07 | mattl | edistar: still crashing after reboot. |
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| 00:17.38 | edistar | mattl: ask lpotter ;) |
| 00:17.45 | edistar | or ljp |
| 00:17.47 | edistar | ;) |
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| 00:31.33 | torindel | beh my first wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gentoo (finaly got http/ftp for images -__-) |
| 00:32.40 | CVirus | super cool |
| 00:34.04 | edistar | torindel: geek :D |
| 00:35.05 | torindel | ;] |
| 00:35.19 | edistar | torindel: good work ;) |
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| 00:37.28 | edistar | torindel: but the lines for terminal into boxes |
| 00:38.24 | edistar | just cosmetic, but it looks much cleaner then if you ask me |
| 00:44.38 | edistar | torindel: would that be ok like it is? |
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| 00:46.58 | edistar | feel free to change it back again |
| 00:52.31 | torindel | edistar: you missed one, plus boxes doesnt love me, look at the big ones ;] |
| 00:53.17 | edistar | torindel: which big ones? |
| 00:54.23 | torindel | multiline ones |
| 00:54.35 | edistar | they look alright here? |
| 00:55.04 | torindel | i cant get them to justify to tabulation |
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| 00:55.21 | torindel | you get empty box and text under it if you try |
| 00:56.01 | edistar | hm |
| 00:56.22 | cjb | hm, if I want a build that has suspend, works solidly as a phone, and can run tangogps, which should I use? |
| 00:57.24 | edistar | cjb: good luck finding it |
| 00:57.25 | cjb | yeah :) |
| 00:57.29 | cjb | is there any that's the most likely to be stable? |
| 00:57.36 | edistar | rasters image |
| 00:57.43 | cjb | huh |
| 00:57.48 | cjb | where does that live again? |
| 00:58.06 | alx___ | cjb: I use 2008.08 update, and everything work pretty fine |
| 00:58.17 | alx___ | oups, nop, raster image |
| 00:58.18 | cjb | cool, I should try that too |
| 00:58.20 | edistar | http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ |
| 00:58.23 | cjb | oh, you use raster too? |
| 00:58.33 | alx___ | yes, same link as edistar |
| 00:58.40 | cjb | cool |
| 00:58.48 | edistar | cjb: I've only heard about it, not tried it |
| 00:58.54 | edistar | but it's supposed to be quite nice |
| 00:59.02 | alx___ | still problem with the echo on the phone, but there is a patch avail, should try it |
| 00:59.22 | alx___ | don't know if the echo patch is do-able with the terminal, somebody? |
| 00:59.30 | edistar | yes |
| 00:59.32 | edistar | it i |
| 00:59.33 | edistar | it is |
| 00:59.53 | edistar | just connect to the gsm modem with a terminal emulator and send it the AT command |
| 00:59.53 | alx___ | cool :) i'll do it now |
| 01:00.58 | alx___ | is there a wiki page with the commands? |
| 01:01.04 | torindel | edistar: "connect with terminal and tell it to shut up" ;] |
| 01:01.20 | edistar | alx___: it was on the wiki |
| 01:01.27 | edistar | torindel: heh |
| 01:01.30 | edistar | gn8 all |
| 01:01.33 | torindel | nite |
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| 01:02.35 | raster | bah |
| 01:02.38 | raster | everyone uses me |
| 01:02.42 | cjb | :) |
| 01:02.54 | cjb | we'd use you even more if you did a new build with the echo patch, sounds like :) |
| 01:02.58 | torindel | raster: ;] |
| 01:03.47 | raster | i need to work on my fso image... |
| 01:03.54 | raster | but i have some paid work to do atm now |
| 01:09.20 | AntonTakk1 | there's an app for the neo - in-call changeable voice changer |
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| 01:11.33 | torindel | AntonTakk1: hehe "Donald Duck" program? ;] |
| 01:11.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * rfcefc4c08bec 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/sms.py modems/abstract/mediator.py): |
| 01:11.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: sms.py: Fix some PDU generation bugs with optional fields |
| 01:11.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: abstract/mediator.py: Change all SMS functions to work with PDU mode |
| 01:14.41 | tg | hi |
| 01:15.36 | tg | i just made a dvorak layout for illume |
| 01:15.41 | CVirus | raster: you still interested in OM ? |
| 01:15.42 | tg | http://tg.x-net.hu/openmoko/keyboards/ |
| 01:15.45 | AntonTakk1 | torindel: yeah, have pre-sets for all kinds of famous people from alvin from alvin and the chipmunks to barry white :) |
| 01:15.48 | tg | if anyone interested :) |
| 01:15.53 | raster | CVirus: interested how? |
| 01:16.07 | CVirus | raster: I dunno .. but what are you doing in this channel ? |
| 01:16.38 | AntonTakk1 | torindel: as well as a mode to switch between them at semi-random intervals :) |
| 01:17.36 | AntonTakk1 | CVirus: why shouldn't he be here? |
| 01:17.41 | CVirus | just asking |
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| 01:18.25 | raster | CVirus: causing twubble |
| 01:18.32 | CVirus | lol |
| 01:18.32 | raster | :) |
| 01:19.52 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r2ba3c15918ff 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (const.py sms.py): |
| 01:19.52 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add a direction attribute for the SMS object |
| 01:19.52 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: MT: Mobile terminated, MO: Mobile originated |
| 01:19.52 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r171885151b49 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): |
| 01:19.55 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add functions to encode SMS back to PDUs |
| 01:19.57 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This is still buggy, pack_sevenbit doesn't work if UDH are present. |
| 01:19.59 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r2c5714ad9973 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Use and test the PDU generation code |
| 01:20.02 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd3b94fb8bc09 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Test MT and MO PDUs and fix some sms. instead of self. errors |
| 01:20.05 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc6aa830f92ca 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): (log message trimmed) |
| 01:20.08 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix various functions in convert.py and padding/udl calculation |
| 01:20.10 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: in PDU generation |
| 01:20.12 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: convert.py: |
| 01:20.14 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: * encodePDUNumber is new and supports alphanumeric addresses as well |
| 01:20.37 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: * bcd_encode works with odd numbers of digits |
| 01:20.37 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: * pack_sevenbit now correctly handles padding |
| 01:20.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * rfc9f2fb7f39e 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/ (channel.py mediator.py): |
| 01:20.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Enable PDU mode and use it in SimRetrieveMessagebook |
| 01:20.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Note: +CSMS=1 seems to fail in PDU mode |
| 01:20.53 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * red61d07b572f 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/sms.py modems/abstract/mediator.py): |
| 01:20.56 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: sms.py: Fix some PDU generation bugs with optional fields |
| 01:20.58 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: abstract/mediator.py: Change all SMS functions to work with PDU mode |
| 01:24.09 | raster | i am interested in it as a platform to put stuff on that may one day make calls.. and recieve them.. and maybe suspend.resume reliably enough to rpelace my phone |
| 01:24.19 | raster | but until then its a toy to put stuff on |
| 01:24.30 | raster | but as is my n800, zaurus c860 etc. |
| 01:25.43 | ieatlint | i have an odd ability in the past 36 hours to have websites i'm in the midst of browsing suddenly go down :( |
| 01:26.43 | johnsu01 | Does anyone know what the deal is with the qtopia fbset-modes package? I've been getting: |
| 01:26.44 | johnsu01 | Upgrading fbset-modes on root from 0.1.0-r3 to 1.38-r13... |
| 01:26.50 | johnsu01 | * ERROR: Package fbset-modes (parent fbset-modes) is not available from any configured src. |
| 01:27.11 | johnsu01 | during an opkg update and opkg upgrade |
| 01:27.21 | rooly | alright |
| 01:27.22 | rooly | got it |
| 01:27.29 | rooly | would anyone like to download all of OSM for tangogps |
| 01:27.53 | rooly | you'll probably need a fairly large SD card |
| 01:27.56 | cjb | rooly: as tiles? |
| 01:27.56 | ieatlint | out of curiosity, how big is it? |
| 01:27.59 | rooly | yes |
| 01:27.59 | CVirus | raster: cool then :-) |
| 01:28.04 | rooly | ieatlint: dunno yet |
| 01:28.07 | rooly | downloading it now |
| 01:28.11 | cjb | too large. better to download the whole XML (1G) and render to tiles as needed. |
| 01:28.13 | rooly | the bash script was being a pain in the ass |
| 01:28.14 | cjb | on the fly, even |
| 01:28.29 | rooly | cjb...that would require an entirely new program |
| 01:28.32 | cjb | no |
| 01:28.38 | cjb | there are already programs that do this |
| 01:28.40 | rooly | and then, OSM only has the xml for europe |
| 01:28.46 | cjb | huh? that's not true |
| 01:28.49 | cjb | there is a world.osm |
| 01:28.59 | cjb | Planet.osm |
| 01:29.00 | rooly | there's nothing in my area |
| 01:29.05 | rooly | nothing at all |
| 01:29.05 | ieatlint | cjb, "on the fly", "render" ... these are things that are a joke on the freerunner :P |
| 01:29.07 | cjb | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Planet.osm |
| 01:29.12 | cjb | ieatlint: sure |
| 01:29.19 | cjb | ieatlint: but so is trying to fit all the tiles on a FR |
| 01:29.37 | ieatlint | add "phone" to the list |
| 01:29.39 | rooly | an 8gb sd card can probably hold it |
| 01:29.44 | rooly | cjb, i'm telling ya |
| 01:29.53 | rooly | there is no osm for a good chunk of north america |
| 01:29.55 | cjb | the planet.osm is 93GB uncompressed, 5G compressed |
| 01:30.22 | cjb | you're saying that tiles will be less than the compressed XML paths that they're drawing? sounds unlikely. |
| 01:30.33 | cjb | I'd expect a couple of hundred GB for the tiles. |
| 01:31.06 | rooly | 6 zoom levels is supposed to be 400 mb according to tango |
| 01:31.06 | rooly | around, sorry |
| 01:31.06 | cjb | 6 zoom levels is not very much, is it? |
| 01:31.08 | cjb | that's like a single state or something |
| 01:31.14 | rooly | it's a 3rd of the available |
| 01:31.26 | rooly | yeah, a state |
| 01:31.44 | cjb | it sounds like you don't actually want the whole planet, then? |
| 01:31.52 | rooly | oh, i do |
| 01:31.58 | rooly | however, there's no osm for my area |
| 01:32.06 | rooly | and i don't have a dataplan yet |
| 01:32.14 | rooly | so downloading "on the fly" is out of the question |
| 01:32.20 | cjb | no, rendering on the fly |
| 01:32.26 | cjb | you'd store the whole Planet.osm in XML |
| 01:32.32 | cjb | and render tiles as you need them |
| 01:32.46 | cjb | this is how most OSM viewers work |
| 01:32.59 | rooly | plus, in my experience, the "6 zoom levels" 400mb download amounts to no more than around 100mb |
| 01:33.07 | SpeedEvil | No, it's not cjb. |
| 01:33.16 | SpeedEvil | As that'd need some 60GB of RAM. |
| 01:33.37 | cjb | SpeedEvil: perhaps there's selective decompressiom |
| 01:33.41 | SpeedEvil | XML is a bloatmonster, and you need to extract the region of the planet, as it's not regional data. |
| 01:33.44 | rooly | so anyway, would anyone like mah script |
| 01:33.51 | cjb | SpeedEvil: yeah, good point |
| 01:34.09 | rooly | it's a hackfest, but it works |
| 01:34.12 | SpeedEvil | It goes nodes 1-10 million in order (say) but node 2 can be on the opposite side of the planet from node 1. |
| 01:34.39 | SpeedEvil | There are better formats possible. :) |
| 01:34.52 | cjb | huh. yeah, clearly. |
| 01:34.54 | rooly | anyway, the .osm is more for navigation |
| 01:35.09 | rooly | whereas the tile format is much more suited to apps like tango |
| 01:36.07 | SpeedEvil | osm is more for ease of access really - it basically sucks as a storage format. |
| 01:36.28 | alx___ | it's png files in the cache, no? |
| 01:36.42 | rooly | yes |
| 01:36.43 | slaxxin | cruel |
| 01:36.44 | cjb | alx___: yes |
| 01:36.54 | cjb | which is why I don't think you could possibly store all of them |
| 01:36.58 | SpeedEvil | As it's xml, and not really organised sanely - there is no way of pulling all the nodes/ways in a polygon out of the osm file. Other than reading the whole damn thing. |
| 01:37.05 | SpeedEvil | IIRC they are some terabytes |
| 01:37.10 | cjb | SpeedEvil: wow, that's awful |
| 01:37.15 | SpeedEvil | (png) |
| 01:37.28 | SpeedEvil | cjb: well - it was never designed for that. |
| 01:37.55 | cjb | SpeedEvil: hm, there's a tool that lets you give a long/lat bounding box |
| 01:38.01 | cjb | and returns you the xml for that area |
| 01:38.14 | rooly | 1400 tiles totalling 2.3 megs so far |
| 01:38.30 | cjb | rooly: as speedevil just said, there are terabytes |
| 01:38.35 | cjb | at least tango hashes them |
| 01:38.37 | SpeedEvil | cjb: yes - I mean - there isn't a nice way of taking an osm file. |
| 01:38.40 | cjb | so there's only one sea blue tile |
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| 01:38.48 | cjb | SpeedEvil: yup, I understand |
| 01:39.05 | SpeedEvil | cjb: and going from that to a subset of nodes/ways without reading the whole thing. |
| 01:39.18 | SpeedEvil | (It's actually the server that hashes them - and does the sea/land tile thing) |
| 01:39.24 | cjb | that's good |
| 01:39.31 | SpeedEvil | irc.oftc.net #osm btw |
| 01:47.44 | hipitihop | AntonTakk, so what's the voice changer app ? |
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| 01:55.21 | rooly | hmm...i estimate the png database is roughly 21 gigs |
| 01:55.27 | rooly | margin of error: alot |
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| 01:58.06 | torindel | margin of error +1000%/-1% ;] |
| 01:58.13 | rooly | at least, from zoom level 2 to 17 |
| 01:58.24 | rooly | so that's a good extra 20 gigs on the last zoom level |
| 01:58.38 | rooly | and another few kilobytes from the 1st |
| 01:58.49 | rooly | however |
| 01:58.56 | rooly | since the water tile is hashed into 1 |
| 01:59.03 | rooly | that'll remove quite a bit of data |
| 01:59.21 | rooly | ~100 bytes per water tyle |
| 02:04.21 | slaxxin | i see wurp in dallas |
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| 02:18.22 | rooly | hmm |
| 02:18.39 | rooly | question: does the FR's gps have any trackable data |
| 02:18.59 | rooly | IE, can mr. policeman find me |
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| 02:21.42 | slaxxin | of course |
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| 02:23.35 | rooly | damn |
| 02:23.55 | rooly | i thought gps didn't send any signals back |
| 02:26.21 | rooly | whew |
| 02:26.25 | rooly | this is an awfully long download |
| 02:31.46 | torindel | rooly: it doesnt |
| 02:32.16 | rooly | then...how is i trackded |
| 02:32.27 | slaxxin | it sees your friends |
| 02:32.41 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.50 | rooly | only with an open gprs connection |
| 02:33.06 | slaxxin | still pinpoints u |
| 02:33.32 | torindel | rooly: either via gsm, or internet, or wifi/bluetooth |
| 02:33.46 | rooly | right... |
| 02:34.04 | rooly | so, therefore, when my intrarwebs is off, i am unfindable |
| 02:34.10 | rooly | including the gsm of course |
| 02:34.16 | rooly | and this download is going nicely |
| 02:34.21 | torindel | and if someone really want to track you they probably just do it via gsm and your telephone operator |
| 02:34.33 | rooly | i'm already halfway thru zoom level 6 |
| 02:34.40 | ieatlint | ok, in light of a recent "incident", you must all now where pants while sending me email |
| 02:34.44 | rooly | and it's only 3 megs |
| 02:34.53 | rooly | ... |
| 02:35.05 | rooly | what about delivering regular mail in person, ieatlint |
| 02:35.19 | rooly | are pants optional then? |
| 02:35.23 | RayDar | cranks up the porn music and sends ieatlint an e-mail |
| 02:35.57 | ieatlint | rooly, regular mail is delivered by the postal service ... if you're a postal worker, and want to deliver mail whilst pantless, you'll need to take it up with your superiors |
| 02:36.15 | rooly | right |
| 02:36.24 | rooly | so wanna see mah script to download all of OSM? |
| 02:36.45 | torindel | rooly: let us have it |
| 02:37.00 | rooly | http://rafb.net/p/TMaU3816.html |
| 02:37.03 | rooly | it's a hack |
| 02:37.03 | ieatlint | i've yet to touch osm... so it wouldn't be too useful for me yet |
| 02:37.05 | rooly | but it works |
| 02:37.24 | rooly | now, fyi, this downloads the png tiles that tango uses |
| 02:38.25 | rooly | i'd say i'm halfway thru the atlantic on zoom level 6 by now |
| 02:38.29 | rooly | i guess it could be faster |
| 02:38.55 | rooly | but what's speed when you're downloading 20 gigs of separate files |
| 02:39.07 | rooly | 100 million separate files |
| 02:39.38 | rooly | ...it's actually more like 20 trillion files... |
| 02:40.00 | rooly | i wonder if the normal ext3 fs can support 20 trillion files |
| 02:40.00 | slaxxin | is it 20 gigs? |
| 02:40.08 | rooly | it was a rough estimate, slaxxin |
| 02:40.16 | rooly | since most of the data is gonna be the ocean |
| 02:40.37 | rooly | and that data is only 100kb per tile |
| 02:40.43 | rooly | 100B, sorry |
| 02:41.03 | rooly | then no, it won't be that big |
| 02:41.08 | slaxxin | is there a note program that one can copy/paste from? |
| 02:41.30 | rooly | for what |
| 02:41.45 | slaxxin | commands to the terminal |
| 02:42.11 | slaxxin | this keyboard does store them though |
| 02:42.45 | slaxxin | i tried openmoko-notes but i couldnt paste into the terminal |
| 02:44.13 | rooly | how bout just write them to a file and make it executable |
| 02:48.46 | torindel | or even do | sh |
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| 03:11.49 | slaxxin | a wat to restart alsa? |
| 03:12.13 | slaxxin | /etc/init.d/alsa restart |
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| 03:25.15 | slaxxin | http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/08/28/35NF-open-source-france-lessons_1.html |
| 03:27.46 | shaz | Good morning |
| 03:28.33 | shaz | lindi suggested a cross compile while I am interested in native i.e. compilation inside openmoko |
| 03:29.46 | ieatlint | bleh.. the french are too weird... they may support oss, but their ideologies in other places is oppressive |
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| 03:40.10 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4624 10/trunk/src/target/themes/illume-theme-asu/config/e.src: |
| 03:40.10 | CIA-22 | openmoko: [illume-theme-asu] Remove wrench icon from profile. |
| 03:40.10 | CIA-22 | openmoko: The old profile will show up wrench icon, remove it for ASU. |
| 03:40.10 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Set up the icon theme as openmoko-asu. |
| 03:41.50 | paroneayea | hm |
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| 04:27.34 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4625 10/trunk/src/target/themes/illume-theme-asu/misc-data/asu/freerunner.edc: |
| 04:27.34 | CIA-22 | openmoko: [illume-theme-asu] Mark up cfg.png in asu/freerunner.edc |
| 04:27.34 | CIA-22 | openmoko: to hide wrench icon. |
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| 04:30.01 | ljp | anyone running qtopia here? |
| 04:30.16 | johnsu01 | yes |
| 04:31.00 | ljp | i learned of a silly 'easter egg' |
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| 04:37.45 | FxChiP | interesting |
| 04:38.21 | phrozen77 | share it then |
| 04:38.31 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * re64d852c8720 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [illume-theme] Add illume-theme-illume.bb |
| 04:38.31 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * raa8a951106ec 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-basic.bb: [openmoko] Add illume-theme-illume to task-openmoko-basic |
| 04:38.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rf02c27fec6dd 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [illume-theme] Modify illume-theme-asu.bb |
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| 04:57.34 | shaz | anyone doing native buids here |
| 04:57.34 | shaz | builds |
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| 05:25.55 | ljp | easter egg in qtopia: using the predictive keyboard (black one), type pacman and then erase the word (left stroke) |
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| 05:39.48 | tunys | Where do I find ringtones on 2007.2? |
| 05:39.55 | tunys | like, in the filesystem |
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| 05:46.09 | Infoport | aaaarrrggh. borked my phone again...just added back my uboot menu for Qtopia, and updated OM2008.8, and now I can't boot OM2007 anymore |
| 05:46.21 | CM_work | ljp: Hehe, have to try that :) |
| 05:48.31 | FxChiP | XD |
| 05:49.22 | FxChiP | A phone with distributions and legitimate, legal multiboot |
| 05:49.31 | FxChiP | I'm sorry, that just kicks so much ass |
| 05:49.47 | leinirAWAY | *giggles* Right, that is really, really silly, ljp ;) |
| 05:49.53 | tunys | anyone know? |
| 05:49.54 | leinirAWAY | approves! ;) |
| 05:50.43 | tunys | I want to make it so that when I get a text message, I hear a clip from a video game |
| 05:50.49 | leinirAWAY | FxChiP: This is not just a phone, though :) |
| 05:50.52 | tunys | in which the main character is describing a banana |
| 05:50.59 | leinirAWAY | tunys: i'm not answering, because i haven't a blue :) |
| 05:51.03 | FxChiP | leinirAWAY, true |
| 05:51.16 | tunys | leinirAWAY: I don't have a blue either :) |
| 05:51.23 | FxChiP | I believe someone was mentioning coding up an operator for it too |
| 05:51.32 | FxChiP | "if you want this, press 1; if you want this other thing, press 2" |
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| 05:51.42 | leinirAWAY | s/blue/clue |
| 05:51.57 | FxChiP | having THAT |
| 05:51.59 | FxChiP | in a CELL PHONE |
| 05:52.02 | FxChiP | orgasmic |
| 05:52.13 | CM_work | leinirAWAY: if you ad the last slash, apt will do a regexp |
| 05:52.14 | tunys | The Neo FreeRunner: Simply orgasmic. |
| 05:52.18 | FxChiP | Waiting for the next hardware revision though, things are apparently too sluggish atm |
| 05:52.27 | FxChiP | From the reviews I've heard |
| 05:52.31 | leinirAWAY | CM_work: i was wondering why it didn't work, thanks :) |
| 05:52.31 | FxChiP | ... /seen |
| 05:52.32 | CM_work | s/regexp/regular expression/ |
| 05:52.48 | CM_work | :) |
| 05:52.58 | FxChiP | It'd be a phone phreak's best friend :P |
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| 05:53.19 | leinirAWAY | hops off uni-wards :) |
| 05:53.26 | Infoport | kernel panic from OM2008.8, and some other error from OM2007 (says BUG: sceduling while atomic: xinit/1519/0x4000002) |
| 05:53.44 | leinirAWAY | puts a cute, little hat with floppy doggy-ears on Dave and then disappears ;) |
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| 05:54.46 | Infoport | INFO: lockdep is turned off |
| 05:55.52 | Infoport | hmm...must be a kernel issue, but it seems odd that updating the other OSes borked the main one |
| 05:56.22 | tunys | haha! /usr/share/openmoko/sounds |
| 05:56.37 | tunys | okay, so where do I tell it, "I want this one! |
| 05:56.39 | tunys | " |
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| 06:03.48 | Infoport | wow looks like OM2007 has disappeared unless you have your own backups |
| 06:07.14 | Infoport | too bad, I lied OM2007 and was glad that others were keeping it up |
| 06:07.18 | Infoport | liked |
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| 06:09.25 | KenYoung | Infoport, I've got 2007.2, if anyone needs it." |
| 06:09.49 | FxChiP | hm |
| 06:09.51 | AntonTakk1 | KenYoung: have any problems with it registering to the cell network? |
| 06:10.03 | KenYoung | Frankly, I liked it better than 2008.8 too, but I only run it on my old gta01." |
| 06:10.31 | FxChiP | Are there any better screenshots of 2008.8 than what OpenMoko currently has up? |
| 06:10.54 | AntonTakk1 | FxChiP: no, it really is that ugly :) |
| 06:11.03 | FxChiP | Don't care about the "ugliness" |
| 06:11.14 | FxChiP | Wanna see what the keyboard looks like |
| 06:11.20 | KenYoung | AntonTakk, I had no problems with T-mobile, but I did have problems with AT&T - but I never got the gta01 GSM firmware update that probably would have fixed the AT&T problem. I use my gta01 as a PDA now, and my Freerunner for the phone." |
| 06:13.03 | Infoport | KenYoung I'm trying to restore a kernel from 8-13 to see if that fixes it |
| 06:13.11 | AntonTakk1 | i constantly have sim problems with 2007.2, but _only_ 2007.2 |
| 06:13.41 | tunys | T-Mobile prepaid SIM worked perfectly for me with 2007.2 |
| 06:13.58 | AntonTakk1 | i have a tmobile non-pre-paid sim |
| 06:14.06 | tunys | oic |
| 06:14.15 | AntonTakk1 | worked once with the image that shipped, and several times with a later one |
| 06:14.22 | tunys | AntonTakk: have you figured out how to change ringtones with 2007.2? |
| 06:14.28 | AntonTakk1 | works fine in qtopia, asu, and fso |
| 06:15.01 | AntonTakk1 | tunys: the wiki page for disabeling the 2007.2 startup sound and click sound effect |
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| 06:15.23 | AntonTakk1 | tunys: it is setup the same way |
| 06:15.26 | Infoport | KenYoung although I think I am going to have to restore matching rootfs too, seems to be stuck at the OM sunrise logo |
| 06:15.30 | AntonTakk1 | file that is loaded at boot |
| 06:17.13 | KenYoung | I think I have a matching rootfs and kernel. I'll check the dates." |
| 06:17.36 | tunys | AntonTakk: where is that? |
| 06:17.48 | tunys | AntonTakk: if it's a matter of editing a file, could you tell me what file it is? |
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| 06:18.02 | AntonTakk1 | tunys: don't remember, but it's the same file on the wiki page i just described^^ |
| 06:18.28 | AntonTakk1 | /etc/pulse/session, maybe, last three lines in the file? |
| 06:18.56 | tunys | you're correct |
| 06:19.05 | AntonTakk1 | never stayed with fso long because it never worked for long for me |
| 06:19.06 | Infoport | KenYoung guess this is the trial by fire...see if my backup files work. I think I may have to go to a premade one though |
| 06:19.08 | tunys | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_sound |
| 06:19.15 | tunys | I don't think the boot sound is annoying at all though |
| 06:19.20 | tunys | I find it quite pleasant |
| 06:19.25 | AntonTakk1 | ugh - i hate it :) |
| 06:19.40 | AntonTakk1 | and the click is just maddening |
| 06:21.00 | AntonTakk1 | corse i might feel diferent if I hadn't heard it so many times |
| 06:21.22 | tunys | not a lot of phones with which I can ping google from |
| 06:21.36 | AntonTakk1 | hehe, so true |
| 06:21.48 | tunys | though my FreeRunner has suddenly become one of them :/ |
| 06:21.55 | AntonTakk1 | personally, i can't wait for the gta03 |
| 06:21.55 | tunys | I think the wireless bouncer might be confusing it |
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| 06:22.34 | AntonTakk1 | thou i really think a few buttons for interacting with the ui would be fantastic |
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| 06:23.12 | tunys | multitouch too |
| 06:23.14 | AntonTakk1 | and a slide-style hardware kb would be too |
| 06:23.28 | AntonTakk1 | maybe, i don't care so much for multitouch |
| 06:23.30 | tunys | although you have to get the right screen for multitouch |
| 06:23.37 | AntonTakk1 | but wouldn't be against it |
| 06:23.42 | AntonTakk1 | yeah |
| 06:23.53 | AntonTakk1 | don't want the screen tech on the iphone |
| 06:24.00 | tunys | a lot of screens output the average centerpoint of the blobs |
| 06:24.04 | AntonTakk1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.14 | Infoport | I tried to explain the OM phone to my aunt the other day, and I made a comment about when ppl sya they will get one "if its stalbe", and geeks online start saying...and I never could get past that |
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| 06:24.59 | Infoport | my aunt kept laughing hysterically every time I referred to "geeks", even when I said "Well including me", and I could never finish it |
| 06:25.17 | tunys | so if you poke at 1,1 and 99,99 using two fingers, it averages to 50,50 |
| 06:25.44 | tunys | and that's what the screen returns |
| 06:25.55 | prjktdtnt | can someone kick Macarena25? I joined the room and got a spam PM |
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| 06:26.24 | tunys | prjktdtnt: if you got a spam PM, report it to FreeNode |
| 06:26.30 | KenYoung | Infoport, I have a matching kernel and rootfs from July 22 for the gta02, but that's all. |
| 06:26.36 | doc|home | mickey|bbl: Ganneff ping? |
| 06:26.49 | doc|home | see prjktdtnt's message |
| 06:27.44 | AntonTakk1 | crosses his fingers for phone-kit to not crash |
| 06:28.43 | tunys | doc|home: whenever I see you, I think of a kind of short dude with a white coat and horn-rimmed glasses sitting at a 90s-looking but rather up-to-date CPU, SSH'd into his Neo |
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| 06:28.59 | doc|home | tunys: hmmm |
| 06:29.02 | doc|home | how can you see me |
| 06:29.03 | tunys | and when I see doc|work, I see the same thing, but trying to look like he's doing work in a cubicle |
| 06:29.07 | doc|home | closes blinds |
| 06:29.17 | Infoport | KenYoung I'm trying my "backup" from 8-13 (OM2007 with updates), and I'll know in "a while" if the rootfs flashes OK |
| 06:29.28 | tunys | doc|home: Uuuuhhh... |
| 06:29.44 | tunys | well closing the blinds won't help |
| 06:29.56 | AntonTakk1 | he's in your home! |
| 06:29.58 | AntonTakk1 | run! |
| 06:30.02 | doc|home | runs!! |
| 06:30.04 | tunys | good luck |
| 06:30.07 | AntonTakk1 | (byt grab your freerunner first! |
| 06:30.09 | tunys | I locked all the doors from outside |
| 06:30.15 | tunys | AntonTakk: I have a FreeRunner |
| 06:30.18 | doc|home | tunys: fwiw I'm just about 6ft tall, don't own a white coat, nor use glasses, and my cpu is amd 4400+ at home and I've yet to get a decent network connection to work in my apt :( |
| 06:30.24 | doc|home | (on the neo) |
| 06:30.38 | AntonTakk1 | it registered! |
| 06:30.40 | AntonTakk1 | woooooo! |
| 06:30.41 | doc|home | jumps out the window! |
| 06:30.59 | tunys | grabs him and pulls him back in and seals the window |
| 06:31.05 | tunys | slips back into the shadows |
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| 06:38.14 | Infoport | oooo its time here for the infomercials that make you embarassed to be watching TV at night |
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| 06:39.22 | AntonTakk1 | risks a reboot to get rid of the startup and click sounds |
| 06:39.23 | KenYoung | We need to make an OM infomercial. |
| 06:39.43 | Infoport | I have a white lab coat, but think I need more to impress my geek friends at Halloween |
| 06:40.14 | AntonTakk1 | KenYoung: with the same actors in the embarrasing commercials? |
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| 06:40.46 | KenYoung | Yes, the ones for Extenz. |
| 06:40.54 | AntonTakk1 | heh |
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| 06:41.07 | Infoport | OM could use a spiffy commercial-- we could debute on YouTube |
| 06:42.10 | Infoport | oh no, Extenz was earlier, now we have GirlzGoneWild-- more and more until it is a fulltime infomercial, with Trojan Vibrating Touch in between |
| 06:42.45 | KenYoung | We could have GSMGoneWIld. |
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| 06:43.08 | KenYoung | Or Suspenz |
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| 06:43.28 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r5a7346e245ea 10/packages/dropbear/dropbear.inc: dropbear: add /etc/default/dropbear in conffiles only on openmoko |
| 06:44.00 | Infoport | Gong Show is on...if I could only gong the commercials, and Tivo them out forever |
| 06:44.47 | Infoport | or rather, MythTV them out |
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| 06:45.39 | Infoport | hehe with my FR in the OpenMoko case in pocket, don't need Extenz |
| 06:46.30 | Infoport | Linux kernel 2.6.24 BAAABY! |
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| 06:47.38 | KenYoung | Oh, don't drop the L-bomb on them, that's just unfair! |
| 06:50.15 | Infoport | ############ perhaps this rootfs will flash (or else its just leading me on) |
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| 06:56.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4626 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/ (8 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 06:56.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: WLAN-SPI driver sneak preview. There are still several dirty spots and |
| 06:56.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: it only works with: |
| 06:56.12 | CIA-22 | openmoko: WLAN -> SDIO -> MMC-SPI -> S3C SPI-GPIO (bitbang) |
| 06:56.12 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Future options include: |
| 06:56.14 | CIA-22 | openmoko: WLAN -> SDIO -> S3C SDI |
| 06:56.16 | CIA-22 | openmoko: WLAN -> SDIO -> MMC-SPI -> S3C SPI (hardware-accelerated) |
| 06:58.13 | Infoport | KenYoung if there is no more OM2007 support (even from community) have the users finally been kicked out of the nest? have to give up and change? |
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| 06:58.47 | Zoup | what are this task-* packages ? |
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| 06:59.17 | KenYoung | Infoport, I guess so, although parts of 2007.2 my live on in the Stable Hybrid." |
| 07:00.08 | Infoport | KenYoung is SHR ever releases anything that is |
| 07:00.11 | Infoport | if |
| 07:00.47 | KenYoung | Never releasing anything is the ultimate in stability. |
| 07:05.50 | Infoport | sad thing is that OM2007 was my favorite, and it was being abandoned when I got the phone |
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| 07:07.13 | Infoport | just because the iPhone puts all of the icons up front doesnt mean I want to be so disorganized |
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| 07:07.41 | beni_ | Infoport: yes, i liked that organizing of apps as well. |
| 07:08.20 | Infoport | and a quick button push to quit apps was nice |
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| 07:09.25 | Infoport | plus wifi worked for me on OM2007 using the wpa_supplicant method, but not in 2008.8 |
| 07:09.34 | Infoport | and I like TangoGPS |
| 07:10.42 | Infoport | *sigh* guess I'll move to SHR and Qtopia |
| 07:10.50 | beni_ | Infoport: i liked that power/aux combination |
| 07:10.52 | zlfita | is wpa_supplicant only in 2007 so far? |
| 07:10.56 | beni_ | AUX to put in background |
| 07:10.56 | zlfita | i definitely need it |
| 07:11.01 | beni_ | and Power to kill app |
| 07:12.05 | beni_ | but killing and backgrounding is okay with the new menu on top |
| 07:12.20 | beni_ | app sorting with categorys would be cool, however. |
| 07:12.36 | beni_ | you can do this by changing the icon mode to "slider" |
| 07:12.51 | beni_ | unfortunately this is not very usable yet |
| 07:13.10 | Infoport | beni_ does slider actually categorize apps? I thought it just put them all together in a row? |
| 07:13.40 | beni_ | yes |
| 07:13.45 | beni_ | one slider for each category |
| 07:13.59 | beni_ | but it looks ugly. |
| 07:14.02 | beni_ | very ugla |
| 07:14.25 | Zoup | Where is this feed reader thing in om2007 ? |
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| 07:16.48 | Infoport | dammit, the rootfs flash finished with an error, maybe because 99999 sec wasnt enough and the phone booted (or else it tried when finished with error) |
| 07:17.41 | KenYoung | It's sorta hard to believe it really took more than 99999 seconds." |
| 07:17.55 | KenYoung | Are you running Vista? |
| 07:17.55 | Infoport | still not sure why ALL the OSes got borked at once |
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| 07:18.38 | Infoport | KenYoung more like running FROM Vista. Someone asked me for a copy of Ubuntu the other day so they could cure their laptop of Vista |
| 07:19.26 | KenYoung | Yup. Ubuntu boots faster on my laptop than XP *shuts down*. |
| 07:20.55 | Infoport | i guess it just SEEMED like forever |
| 07:20.58 | FxChiP | Well, wait a minute |
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| 07:21.19 | FxChiP | You could possibly rewrite the application bit of OM2008.8 to use the old way couldn't you? |
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| 07:24.13 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:24.23 | Infoport | "possibly" being the key word. If you think it is taking a long time for SHR, dont hold your breath for my rewrite of the OS |
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| 07:24.52 | FxChiP | True enough. |
| 07:25.19 | FxChiP | Gods, I wish I were good enough at programming to do stuff with it |
| 07:25.28 | FxChiP | Well, and that I had one. |
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| 07:25.37 | FxChiP | I've been jonesing hard for it lately for no discernable reason |
| 07:26.02 | Infoport | ok now I am stuck at OM sunrise logo again, I guess the backup doesnt flash well |
| 07:27.23 | Infoport | FxChiP you gotta take the plunge! as long as you dont mind some re-flashes :D |
| 07:27.51 | FxChiP | I don't have $400 :/ |
| 07:28.28 | Infoport | FxChiP think of it as a home-study course combined with textbooks |
| 07:28.44 | FxChiP | I don't have $400 :/ |
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| 07:31.34 | Infoport | KenYoung so do you have OM2007 kernel and rootfs *released* July 23, and not just downloaded then? I have some downloaded then, but seem to be dated 20080424 |
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| 07:33.28 | KenYoung | Infoport, I'm afraid I don't know when it was released. I think I downloaded it on that date." |
| 07:33.42 | KenYoung | But it did work decently. |
| 07:33.51 | lindi- | shaz: i did not suggest cross compile |
| 07:34.36 | Infoport | the link from Downloads page for ScaredyCat image goes nowhere too, seems like updates for OM2007 are gone completely |
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| 07:36.23 | tunys | if anyone wants to know what the ringtone is that I'm trying to use |
| 07:36.32 | tunys | http://supertunaman.com/banana.ogg |
| 07:36.35 | tunys | or .mp3 |
| 07:37.14 | tunys | http://supertunaman.com/banana.mp3 |
| 07:40.12 | Infoport | hell I guess I'll just flash the newest 2008.8 images, and wait for SHR later, since no more updating the OM2007 OS |
| 07:40.49 | Infoport | dont think 2008.8 has TangoGPS but at least it has Orrery |
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| 07:42.12 | Zorkman | Infoport: 2008.8 has tangogps |
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| 07:42.59 | Infoport | Zorkman tangoGPS? yes! I guess you do something for a few days, and everything changes |
| 07:43.26 | Zorkman | Infoport: as far as i know, tangogps has always worked on 2008.8 .... |
| 07:44.10 | KenYoung | Zorkman, Except the defualt gtk theme makes some of the buttons unreadable. |
| 07:44.16 | Infoport | Zorkman to be fair, I listened to other complaints and didnt try to install myself (DOH!) |
| 07:44.17 | Zorkman | true |
| 07:45.15 | Zorkman | I wonder why they haven't fixed that default gtk theme.. (at least when 200888-upgrade first appeared it still wasn't fixed) |
| 07:45.28 | Zorkman | KenYoung: congrats on the new orrery version btw :) |
| 07:45.56 | KenYoung | Zorkman, Thanks! I'm working on adding zooming now, which is fun. |
| 07:46.02 | Infoport | new Orrery? what has changed? |
| 07:46.23 | KenYoung | Zorkman, and Infoport: I appreciate you guys running it. |
| 07:47.09 | shaz | lindi: how do I get a native build working? |
| 07:47.49 | shaz | It would require a gnu toolchain inside openmoko and glibc and other libs |
| 07:47.56 | lindi- | shaz: apt-get --build source foo |
| 07:48.05 | KenYoung | Infoport, I added colors to distingush different types of constellations, added a few new modes, added flashlight features, fixed up the Private menu a but, sped up the switching in and out of fullscreen, sped up the poky initial constellation display problem, and a few other things. |
| 07:49.51 | KenYoung | Added the ability to set time via Julian date. |
| 07:50.01 | shaz | lindi: I am inside openmoko and apt-get is not recognized |
| 07:50.03 | Infoport | KenYoung cool! The poky constellation view was a little annoying when showing ppl the app, since it was a great "gee whiz" app for the uninitiated |
| 07:50.18 | Infoport | KenYoung what are "flashlight features"? |
| 07:50.54 | KenYoung | You can have it turn all the pixels white, or red, for use as a flashlight. |
| 07:51.08 | lindi- | shaz: you are probably not running debian |
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| 07:52.08 | Infoport | KenYoung i thought someone was putting that into its own app? |
| 07:52.08 | shaz | lindi: I am using FC8 and am logged into my FR through ssh |
| 07:52.24 | lindi- | shaz: i use debian on my FR |
| 07:52.37 | torindel | shaz: you can use gentoo too for native building |
| 07:52.42 | KenYoung | Infoport, The initial constellation display is still slower than I'd like. THe problem is that I want all the stars at the verticies of the constellation figures to be displayed even if they are fainter than the magnitude threshold, so the code has to look at all the stars, and figure out when ones are near the constellation verticies. That's time consuming, but it is done more efficiently now, and in the backround, so it's |
| 07:52.42 | KenYoung | better than it was. |
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| 07:53.10 | shaz | lindi: I just got my FR yesterday and it has the default distribution running on it |
| 07:53.26 | KenYoung | Infoport, Yes, there is a flashlight app too. But I threw it in because a red flashlight is good for preserving night vision. |
| 07:53.47 | Infoport | was a new u-boot needed for the newer Om2008.8-update? there is one in the directory |
| 07:54.21 | Infoport | KenYoung good point! a red flashlight makes it an added value |
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| 07:55.55 | KenYoung | Infoport, It'll be one of the free gifts for the first 100 callers in our Infomercial. |
| 07:56.02 | jo_schro | has anybody ever experienced to have had a working SIM (Vodafone) in the Freerunner, then by mistake locked the SIM using a different phone, unlocked it again, but now this SIM wouldn't work anymore in the Freerunner? (no PIN dialog popping up, not registering with any network) |
| 07:56.09 | shaz | So it means I can't do native builds then although it has opkg package manager. Can we somehow set it to debian repos |
| 07:57.26 | torindel | shaz: either install debian or gentoo, angstrom based distros usually have borked gcc even if you install gcc/needed headers |
| 07:57.54 | shaz | K :) |
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| 07:59.32 | torindel | shaz: if you want native builds you can use qemu for them too instead of freerunner hardware |
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| 07:59.54 | hil_ | hi |
| 08:00.04 | shaz | hi |
| 08:00.13 | swc|666 | haha.. world's ugliest self powered usb otg http://neopwn.com/ugly_otg.jpg |
| 08:00.42 | shaz | torindel: For that I have to go through mokoMakefile! |
| 08:00.56 | shaz | I have a veryyyy bad experiance with it! |
| 08:00.58 | hil_ | shaz: my experience with MokoMakeFile is very bad |
| 08:01.00 | beni_ | swc|666: well, at least its soldered! |
| 08:01.08 | hil_ | :) |
| 08:01.48 | shaz | hil_: The bb files always get corrupted and the repos are always broken |
| 08:01.51 | hil_ | Our internet connection wasn't very good and I _think_ it was the reason makes kept getting stuck |
| 08:01.56 | KenYoung | Mokomakefile is the only way I've ever gotten a functional toolchain. |
| 08:02.04 | shaz | I tested it for say ..... 7 or 8 times |
| 08:02.19 | swc|666 | beni_: yeah it works too... proof of concept come to life |
| 08:02.20 | torindel | shaz: you can install any normal distro qemu, get some generic qemu kernel, plus either moko gentoo or moko debian and install it as is |
| 08:02.24 | hil_ | i was wondering if it's possible to get rid of all this cross compilation and work inside Freerunner |
| 08:02.26 | shaz | but always failed but now lets see if I can get FR get working :) |
| 08:02.36 | Infoport | I wish the modified dates on the Om2008.8-update/ files were *actually* when the files were modified. The u-boot is actually Aug 26, not Sept 4 |
| 08:02.54 | hil_ | KenYoung: have you tried compiling from within the moko |
| 08:03.09 | torindel | shaz: (but that will be build box only as it wont emulate all moko hardware) |
| 08:03.50 | Infoport | hil_ someone was saying that they actually compiled something on their Freerunner, but it was damn slow |
| 08:04.05 | torindel | hil_: i did |
| 08:04.12 | Infoport | hil_ you'd be better off spending the time getting the toolchain working |
| 08:04.28 | FxChiP | OTG? |
| 08:04.34 | hil_ | Infoport: speed isn't my problem. I just want to compile a simple kernel module (character device driver for a dummy device) and i dont' want a lot of extra hassle |
| 08:05.14 | hil_ | torindel: how? I understand (like Infoport said) toolchains are the best way to go...but right now, I want a simple solution without a lot of overhead |
| 08:05.32 | rwhitby | there is no simple solution |
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| 08:06.11 | hil_ | rwhitby: isn't getting gcc working inside moko and compiling from there a simple solution? :) |
| 08:06.19 | hil_ | or are there some "hidden" complications? |
| 08:06.33 | KenYoung | hil_, No, I haven't. I'm worried that it would be very slow, and put a lot of write wear on the flash. |
| 08:06.37 | shaz | trorindel: Is there a good guide to this qemu based native build for moko without mokomakefile and OE? |
| 08:06.53 | rwhitby | hil_: if it's simple, why haven't you done it yet? ;-) |
| 08:07.05 | torindel | hil_: like i said get any normal distro qemu, get some generic kernel for some board that qemu emulates, plus moko gentoo stage, boot it, install patched moko sources from git, compile them |
| 08:07.20 | hil_ | because I'm not good at it :) |
| 08:07.21 | torindel | or you could install it on moko too |
| 08:07.43 | hil_ | but you guys are *wink* .. so you can probably tell me the simple way to get gcc working |
| 08:07.48 | torindel | shaz: i could write something |
| 08:08.07 | rwhitby | hil_: I find the simplest way is to cross-compile using MokoMakefile or FSO/SHR Makefile |
| 08:08.09 | shaz | U'll be a life saver :) |
| 08:08.11 | torindel | rwhitby: its not that hard ;] |
| 08:08.13 | rwhitby | but I'm biased :-) |
| 08:08.23 | Infoport | torindel well bust out that Wiki page! |
| 08:08.57 | hil_ | rwhitby: so, if I just need to compile a simple application, I can just wget the toolchain and compile my app without having my makefile perform those 5k tasks? |
| 08:09.19 | hil_ | (btw, of course you find the Makefile easy... you wrote it :) |
| 08:09.21 | shaz | lolz |
| 08:09.31 | torindel | hil_: no |
| 08:09.59 | torindel | you'll have to perform those 5k tasks with mokomakefile anyway |
| 08:10.31 | hil_ | :'( |
| 08:10.46 | shaz | How do I get moko gentoo stage into lets say emulation of versatilepb over qemu |
| 08:12.08 | torindel | shaz: wait i'll fry something on wiki |
| 08:12.36 | shaz | gr8 |
| 08:12.59 | Infoport | watching ##### accumulate is like waiting for someone else's Windoze to boot. Hopefully I can keep using my LG phone for just pics with new OM2008.8-update images |
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| 08:14.30 | Infoport | then we get to do it all over again once GTA03 is out, plus learn how to play with camera apps |
| 08:15.37 | Infoport | I'm hoping for a barcode scanner app for the new camera, maybe a revision to Tellico or Alexandria |
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| 08:17.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4627 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/ (2 files): |
| 08:17.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: gta02-mmc-spi-bitbang.patch: disable s3c_device_spi_acc or all hell breaks |
| 08:17.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: loose |
| 08:17.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: gta02-mmc-spi-bitbang.patch: move defconfig-gta02 changes over to |
| 08:17.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: config-ar6k-mmc-spi-bitbang.patch (and make more sweeping changes) |
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| 08:18.31 | Infoport | and when the CIA tells you all hell breaks loose, they *MEAN* it |
| 08:18.50 | Zorkman | :) |
| 08:18.55 | FxChiP | grins |
| 08:20.48 | Infoport | my mom didn't seem to be impressed that I was multi-booting, fixing things at command line, etc, but apparently was impressed I was programming a script with someone from Italy |
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| 08:21.22 | Infoport | my limited use of IRC pushed it over the top :/ |
| 08:21.33 | Zorkman | will this script bring awesomeness to our phone Infoport? :) |
| 08:21.45 | KenYoung | Yeah, mom's always expect you to run several virtual machines. |
| 08:21.52 | Infoport | Zorkman it makes great backups, as long as you dont try to restore them |
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| 08:23.17 | Infoport | Zorkman actually I could mount the rootfs file (.jffs2) and get config files off, I just couldnt re-flash the rootfs successfully |
| 08:23.37 | Zorkman | too bad... |
| 08:24.20 | Infoport | yea! back booting with the new improved 2008.8 as main image! sad that all the new games on OM2007 are gone (until moved to 2008) |
| 08:24.48 | Infoport | just when I was getting hooked on Net |
| 08:25.27 | Zorkman | I was thinking of a gui for frashing/multibooting the FR (one that also autosets the uboot env) too make this device more noob-friendly, you know, for in 60 years when it becomes consumer ready :) |
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| 08:26.58 | Infoport | Zorkman most consumers are willing to have one boot that doesnt work, why give them several? Who has worked hard to boot multiple Windoze OSes in the last 5 years? |
| 08:27.41 | Zorkman | point taken... |
| 08:28.15 | Infoport | Zorkman now that you bring it up, that doesnt sound too bad for geeks...may be hard to ensure that images match each other |
| 08:28.55 | Infoport | Zorkman but then again, you can make something fool proof, but you can't make it damn-fool proof |
| 08:29.10 | Zorkman | :) |
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| 08:38.19 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03charlie137 * r6b2cbe777ea3 10/src/server/phone/telephony/ringcontrol/ringcontrol.cpp: Added preprocessor directives to allow compiling when MEDIA_SERVER is not defined |
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| 08:42.06 | Infoport | wow, I bookmarked a message on the list archives (about resolver), and now the bookmark goes to a different message |
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| 08:43.23 | FxChiP | That seems to happen a lot |
| 08:44.19 | FxChiP | Also |
| 08:44.24 | FxChiP | Multiboot phone = win |
| 08:45.17 | Infoport | FxChiP I would agree, except that OM2007 got borked while just updating 2008.8 on SD, and now I cant get back the updated files for OM2007 |
| 08:45.43 | FxChiP | :| |
| 08:45.43 | Infoport | still Qtopia is out there for a second boot, and maybe SHR one day |
| 08:45.47 | Zorkman | Infoport: does it not boot up? |
| 08:46.06 | Zorkman | Infoport: reflash your 2007.2 kernel in internal with dfu-util |
| 08:46.58 | Infoport | Zorkman OM2007 was getting to the text scroll and freezing, and apparently nobody is maintaining it so you can't get all the updates that *used* to be available |
| 08:47.43 | Infoport | the wiki has changed to refer to the directories as where it "used to be" and the links dont work |
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| 08:48.14 | Infoport | so I have an old uImage and old rootfs, but who wants to revert back to April with no updates to be had? |
| 08:48.33 | Zorkman | Infoport: i had the exact same problem I think |
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| 08:49.18 | Zorkman | Infoport: if you reflash kernel with dfu-util to http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing-om-gta02-20080904.uImage.bin it will boot up again |
| 08:49.35 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1957: Installer is complaining about libopk, if there is no internet ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1957 ) |
| 08:50.44 | Infoport | Zorkman I got mad finally and blasted it with 2008.8-update, maybe I will return to it later. Now I have to setup USB networking all over again |
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| 08:53.16 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03charlie137 * r074c7808714a 10/src/applications/qtmail/searchview.cpp: [Messages] Changed 'Back' label to 'Query' or 'Search', to close ticket #1496. |
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| 08:56.08 | Infoport | well that wasnt too hard, more whining than required effort, just had to fix resolvconf issue |
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| 08:58.32 | torindel | rawrs |
| 08:58.36 | torindel | Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still doesn't work, try logging out and logging back in. |
| 08:59.34 | Infoport | Zorkman was that uImage for OM2007? |
| 08:59.54 | Zorkman | Infoport: no difference in 2007.2 or 2008.8 kernels it seems |
| 09:00.14 | Zorkman | I flashed it and it worked, no issues (apart from the normal FR issues :)) |
| 09:00.22 | Infoport | Zorkman that's good to know |
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| 09:01.30 | Infoport | trying to setup resolvconf *properly* acc. to Wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8, I get an error wget: bad address 'kopparv34.mine.nu' |
| 09:02.33 | Infoport | oh wait, the instructions have me wipe out the nameserver I set earlier in the first instructions, just before they want to access that by name |
| 09:02.34 | torindel | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GentooQEMUBuildBox |
| 09:02.55 | torindel | shaz, hil: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GentooQEMUBuildBox |
| 09:03.30 | shaz | that was quick |
| 09:03.35 | shaz | let me see |
| 09:04.09 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5a5f707474cd 10/examples/ (3 files): add example for launching scripts on incoming call |
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| 09:08.33 | Infoport | one more reboot and upgrade before sleepy time |
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| 09:16.39 | harnir | hello |
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| 09:18.38 | shaz | torindel: Its neat. It can be easily done with other distros too, I guess |
| 09:20.32 | Infoport | *sigh* ok maybe two reboots. There are always new directions when I go to Wiki pages; now I have more setup for resolvconf (and resolv.conf link) |
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| 09:23.42 | harnir | FSO on Debian is faaaast... :D~~ |
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| 09:31.18 | Infoport | damned resolvconf setup... :( I had it working before, but the new improved instructions are driving me nuts XD |
| 09:33.04 | Infoport | The Om2008.8 wiki page has me removing a gateway line, and now I cant ping IP numbers outside of the host computer. Is resolvconf supposed to figure out default gateway? |
| 09:33.49 | harnir | Infoport: you, you should write there nameservers by hand |
| 09:34.01 | harnir | or do it automatically using /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:35.42 | Infoport | harnir I have the /etc/network/interfaces but I'm not sure if the Wiki page has it wrong or if I'm mixing methods |
| 09:38.03 | Infoport | harnir I'm trying to follow directions under Known Issues on the Om2008.8 wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8 |
| 09:38.53 | qknight | i've played with my microsd card yesterday |
| 09:39.03 | qknight | i put a stable release on it from 2008.8 |
| 09:39.13 | qknight | and then out of a sudden when i enabled the gps and started locations |
| 09:39.40 | qknight | there was this horrible kernel crash |
| 09:39.40 | qknight | since then my microsd card isn't recodgnized anymore |
| 09:39.40 | qknight | any idea? |
| 09:40.33 | harnir | Infoport: instructions on that page are correct |
| 09:40.50 | harnir | Infoport: show me your /etc/networ/interfaces via nopaste.org |
| 09:41.07 | qknight | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:41.07 | harnir | anyone knows how to change brightness using command line? |
| 09:41.16 | harnir | qknight: yes, htx |
| 09:41.17 | qknight | harnir: search in /proc |
| 09:41.17 | harnir | thx |
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| 09:41.37 | KenYoung | harnir, I think it's under /sys. |
| 09:41.48 | Infoport | harnir I am getting an error on the FR when I try route add default gateway 192.168.0.200 "route: SIOCADDRT: No such process" |
| 09:42.22 | qknight | KenYoung: likely |
| 09:42.26 | qknight | harnir: yes look in sys |
| 09:42.55 | KenYoung | The paths are different for the gta01 and gta02, and the number ranges are different too. gta01 goes from 0 -> 63, while gta02 goes from 0 ->5000ish. |
| 09:43.42 | qknight | harnir: look at the sourcecode of the settings dialog in 2008.8 release |
| 09:43.46 | harnir | so what, I should just 'echo 50 > actual_brightness' ? |
| 09:43.50 | qknight | harnir: if you can't find it directly |
| 09:43.54 | qknight | harnir: yes maybe |
| 09:44.15 | harnir | permission denied |
| 09:44.22 | qknight | harnir: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:GTA01:Kernel |
| 09:44.24 | qknight | do this as root |
| 09:44.27 | Infoport | harnir here is my FR's /etc/network/interfaces http://nopaste.org/p/aQCwAmNQK |
| 09:44.37 | harnir | echo 50 > brightness worked :-) |
| 09:44.46 | harnir | I'm doing it as root ;-) |
| 09:44.58 | qknight | harnir: so what went wrong then? |
| 09:45.32 | qknight | Infoport: your ip is wrong |
| 09:45.33 | harnir | actual_brightness is r-- |
| 09:45.40 | Infoport | I've noticed a few OM wiki pages telling you to use sudo in a command on the FR-- *every* command you type is as root |
| 09:45.41 | qknight | Infoport: oh no. sorry mixed it up |
| 09:45.48 | harnir | Infoport: does your local PC have DNS server/proxy? |
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| 09:45.51 | qknight | Infoport: the ip is right since the this is the config of the gta02 |
| 09:46.26 | qknight | Infoport: do you have dnsmasq installed? |
| 09:46.27 | khaije1 | anyone know if android will run on the freerunner? |
| 09:46.45 | qknight | khaije1: if android will be open source, why not? |
| 09:46.59 | khaije1 | hmm... |
| 09:47.09 | KenYoung | khaije1, Probably not out-of-the-box, because it is built for a later version of the ARM core. |
| 09:47.10 | Infoport | harnir, qknight, no I used the iptables rules for forwarding, but I think I had the router's address there before...let me change and try that |
| 09:47.29 | qknight | Infoport: the host must be 192.168.0.200 and the gta 192.168.0.202 |
| 09:47.31 | khaije1 | is android opensource? android is built for arm10? |
| 09:47.46 | harnir | Infoport: what's the address of your DNS servers? |
| 09:47.58 | qknight | Infoport: cat /etc/resolv.conf on the hsot |
| 09:48.17 | qknight | Infoport: place the first nameserver *.*.*.* into the client config |
| 09:48.32 | qknight | Infoport: and restart the interfaces (or write them to /etc/resolv.conf manually) |
| 09:48.34 | khaije1 | does anyone know if google has invested any attention into the freerunner? |
| 09:48.42 | qknight | i bet not |
| 09:50.42 | Infoport | my host is apprantly using the router as nameserver (thanks to NetworkManager) |
| 09:50.43 | qknight | android wikipedia entry looks borked?! |
| 09:50.49 | qknight | what is that all about i wonder...?1 |
| 09:51.01 | qknight | Infoport: then use that ip of the router for your dns things |
| 09:51.06 | qknight | Infoport: that will speed up things much |
| 09:51.17 | Infoport | tried to use OpenDNS servers listed on wiki, no luck |
| 09:52.12 | Infoport | should I reboot or restart networking after changes to interfaces? |
| 09:52.15 | qknight | no |
| 09:52.23 | qknight | you just do /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 09:52.25 | qknight | or networking |
| 09:52.27 | qknight | not sure |
| 09:52.27 | khaije1 | it's a little surprising, if i were google i'd be using the FR as either a porting project or reference hardware, if android is as java based as it seems it should be no big deal |
| 09:52.41 | qknight | Infoport: please check if you can ping the fritz!box like system |
| 09:52.45 | khaije1 | i'm just surprised there havent been any sort of announcement either way |
| 09:52.51 | qknight | Infoport: if this ping does work then the routing is ok |
| 09:53.00 | qknight | Infoport: next fix the dns issue if you really have one |
| 09:53.07 | khaije1 | i guess it's too early in the process... for both projects |
| 09:53.21 | khaije1 | apologizes for thinking out loud so much |
| 09:53.23 | qknight | Infoport: you can ping a host like www.ard.de from your host, extract the ip and ping it from the gta02 again to see if routing is working |
| 09:53.39 | Infoport | qknight not sure what fritz|box is, but I cant ping router IP, nor google IP# |
| 09:53.49 | qknight | k |
| 09:53.52 | qknight | that's all i wanted to know |
| 09:53.53 | Infoport | so routing is not working |
| 09:54.04 | qknight | can you ping your local usb0 inteface of your host computer? |
| 09:54.39 | qknight | Infoport: provide iptables -t nat -L please |
| 09:55.15 | Infoport | yes I can ping to host usb .200 |
| 09:55.21 | qknight | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE (if eth0 is your internet accessing interface) |
| 09:55.25 | qknight | next do: |
| 09:55.27 | qknight | sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 09:55.30 | qknight | and it should work |
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| 09:56.02 | Infoport | qknight that should be a host iptable dump right? |
| 09:56.03 | qknight | maybe your forward policiy in the iptables settings is deny or drop |
| 09:56.07 | qknight | Infoport |
| 09:56.08 | qknight | yes |
| 09:56.13 | qknight | it's all about the host right now |
| 09:56.14 | harnir | is there a list of mixer channels and what each of them is affecting? |
| 09:56.26 | qknight | harnir: don't think so yet |
| 09:56.48 | qknight | harnir: you could use alsamixer to find out about all available faders |
| 09:57.07 | qknight | Infoport: please provide: ip r and ip a FROM your gta02 |
| 09:57.10 | qknight | have to go |
| 09:57.11 | qknight | so hurry |
| 09:58.04 | Infoport | http://nopaste.org/p/aEnu8JCdqb |
| 09:59.15 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1958: After upgrade , FR hangs at "booting 42%" ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1958 ) |
| 10:00.20 | Infoport | that paste has my iptables output |
| 10:02.01 | Infoport | qknight and in that iptables dump my router is at .1.23 |
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| 10:02.42 | dim | any french here? (for operator questions) |
| 10:03.43 | charlie137 | dim: oui |
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| 10:04.29 | qknight | Infoport: k |
| 10:04.44 | Infoport | qknight here is ip r and ip a from gta02 http://nopaste.org/p/adqObh4jbb |
| 10:05.02 | qknight | k |
| 10:05.04 | dim | charlie137: is BT internet "forfait" ok for Neo1973? |
| 10:05.06 | qknight | you simply lack the default gw |
| 10:05.26 | qknight | Infoport: ip r add via 192.168.0.200 dev usb0 (on the gta02) |
| 10:05.36 | qknight | and here we go |
| 10:05.39 | qknight | have a nice day! |
| 10:06.13 | qknight | so nobody has crashed his microsd card slot with 2008.8? |
| 10:06.21 | qknight | i can't use it anymore. it's simply not there anymore |
| 10:06.25 | qknight | not sure what caused htis |
| 10:06.45 | qknight | but maybe only the card is broken, will put the 512mb card into it this evening for testing |
| 10:06.56 | qknight | cya (have to go now) |
| 10:07.05 | Infoport | qknight sweet! thanks! I tried uncommenting the gateway line in /etc/interfaces, but under the resolvconf instructions it didnt work |
| 10:07.11 | charlie137 | dim: BT exists in France ? |
| 10:07.38 | charlie137 | dim: I haven't lived in France for a long time |
| 10:07.45 | Infoport | qknight I have crashed my OSes on gta02 with updates to systems on microSD. not sure how that happened, but had to reflash |
| 10:08.59 | charlie137 | dim: I am afraid I I don't know if BT works with openmoko |
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| 10:09.52 | dim | charlie137: I meant BouyguesTelecom :) |
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| 10:10.03 | charlie137 | dim: ah :) |
| 10:10.11 | Infoport | the ip r add command from qknight doesnt seem to persist after network restart...where can I make that permanent? |
| 10:10.22 | dim | other question (no fr specific): what about macosx sync&compat? |
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| 10:10.36 | charlie137 | dim: eheh I guess I should go back to france some time |
| 10:11.03 | mickey__ | charlie137: is there something important or can we skip the telco today? we're all together atm. doing ms3 work |
| 10:11.13 | mickey__ | charlie137: so if it's ok for you, lets talk next week |
| 10:11.45 | charlie137 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.51 | charlie137 | totally forgot about it ! |
| 10:11.56 | mickey__ | no problem :) |
| 10:11.57 | charlie137 | well, I guess we can skip |
| 10:12.05 | mickey__ | ok, good. |
| 10:12.34 | charlie137 | dim: I can 't tell you for sure |
| 10:12.36 | mickey__ | we're going to push PDU handling today which might break sms/cb/phonebook for a bit, would appreciate some testing |
| 10:12.43 | charlie137 | dim: but if you check the wiki : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_compatible_cellphone_providers |
| 10:12.59 | charlie137 | you see Bouygues is listed as compatible |
| 10:13.36 | charlie137 | mickey__: ok, well, i am busy getting used to QTopia those days |
| 10:13.52 | charlie137 | mickey__: I also worked a little on the tasklet gsm stuff |
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| 10:15.14 | mickey__ | yeah, i've noticed your mail but did not have time to actually look into that |
| 10:17.01 | charlie137 | mickey__: no problem |
| 10:17.09 | charlie137 | but it is quite good i think |
| 10:17.26 | mickey__ | for sure |
| 10:17.35 | charlie137 | If you want I can make the whole thing into a convenient python library based on gobject |
| 10:17.43 | mickey__ | i think a good plan would be to first do a _huge_ amount of automated tests |
| 10:17.44 | charlie137 | (for the signals) |
| 10:17.59 | mickey__ | and then gradually introduce this in ogsmd |
| 10:18.10 | charlie137 | mickey__: sure, tests are the first step to refactoring |
| 10:18.13 | mickey__ | (library) oh, yes, that would help me |
| 10:18.50 | dim | thx charlie137 |
| 10:19.34 | charlie137 | dim: i remember I saw a few posts b4 on the mailing list from french users talking about BT |
| 10:22.19 | Infoport | how do I make permanent the command "ip r add via 192.168.0.200 dev usb0"? does this go into interfaces, or do I add another tag to get it added to permanent rules? |
| 10:24.50 | Infoport | the "via" route doesnt survive networking restart just from typing in terminal |
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| 10:27.38 | torindel | shaz: yep, you just need to use some kernel for "generic" qemu emulated board ;] |
| 10:27.46 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * rd3f1e887965e 10/illume/illume-config/ (e.src module.illume.src): illume-config: Disable power.auto_suspend and screensaver |
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| 10:31.01 | dbmoodb | got voip yet ? |
| 10:31.04 | harnir | I've successfully installed Debian, xfce and mplayer - sound also works :-) |
| 10:31.46 | dbmoodb | harnir: me too but i can't record... |
| 10:31.48 | dbmoodb | its odd.... |
| 10:32.18 | harnir | dbmoodb: check microphone mixer setting |
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| 10:37.49 | gromgull | Can someone give a hint as to why my build is failing? http://pastebin.ca/1193570 |
| 10:38.00 | gromgull | I've tried to run the failed command and it completes fine |
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| 10:41.16 | Infoport | bleah, my new 2008.8 image gets hung when installing simple things, like illume config |
| 10:42.33 | Infoport | correction: just installer hangs but can be Removed |
| 10:43.02 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rcd72f979c018 10/setup.py: fix setup to automatically install all examples |
| 10:43.43 | piksi | only thing i miss in freerunners hw: a decent 2mpix camera. even the lack of 3g doesn't bother me that much as 3g prices are still too high for reasonable use |
| 10:44.54 | dbmoodb | harnir: i have... does it work for you ? |
| 10:48.30 | harnir | dbmoodb: haven't tried yet |
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| 10:54.32 | kvk | gromgull: check your .bb file once again |
| 10:56.08 | gromgull | i've not touched them - they are directly from the openmoko makefile |
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| 11:04.17 | |FiLiP| | gromgull: known issue if you're on debian an derivates (ubuntu, ....) ; check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Build_issues |
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| 11:08.34 | |FiLiP| | gromgull: On current Ubuntu/Debian unstable/testing boxes another trick is necessary: glibc_2.6.1 fails to build since it is unable to generate the necessary locales until you type in the following line: |
| 11:08.34 | |FiLiP| | sudo sysctl -w vm.mmap_min_addr=0 |
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| 11:16.38 | deubeuliou | hi |
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| 11:17.09 | deubeuliou | does anyone know in which package I can found the python "getpass" module ? |
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| 11:18.07 | nyu | |FiLiP|: sounds scary. does that mean NULL pointers can now point to active pages? |
| 11:18.39 | hipitihop | waves to the residents |
| 11:19.02 | sylar91 | Hi, I'm using qtopia (no om... sorry ;( ) and I have a question about qtopia, somebody could help me please? |
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| 11:19.55 | charlie137 | sylar91: I can try |
| 11:20.20 | charlie137 | sylar91: i am not very familiar with qtopia, but I am digging into the code right now |
| 11:20.43 | sylar91 | ok, thx. I want to add a script to the "devtools" menu, do you know how to do this? |
| 11:21.12 | hipitihop | sylar91, I don't pretend to speak for everyone here but I don't think anyone objects to qtopia questions as anything freerunner seems to be welcome here. Hower also note that if you don't get the answer you need you may also try on #qtopia channel |
| 11:22.11 | sylar91 | I'm using qtopia on fr... |
| 11:22.11 | |FiLiP| | I'm running qtopia as well as primary OS on my FR, trying to get shr-unstable up as secondary |
| 11:22.32 | charlie137 | sylar91: sorry what is the devtools menu ? |
| 11:23.11 | sylar91 | is a button in the main menu where you can run script from a gui, without run a terminal to exec every time a script |
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| 11:23.40 | charlie137 | ah, well, i don't know |
| 11:23.53 | sylar91 | mmm |
| 11:23.55 | sylar91 | maybe I found |
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| 11:26.40 | hipitihop | seomeone mentioned here earlier a package available that allows you to mod your voice during a call has anyone a link ? |
| 11:29.54 | Dave | Doesn't the phone do that on its own? XD |
| 11:29.57 | Dave | :P |
| 11:30.18 | hipitihop | Dave, :p |
| 11:30.18 | sylar91 | hi dave :D |
| 11:30.55 | Dave | Hallo! |
| 11:31.32 | Dave | celtune: you're in my repository, downloadin mah packagez |
| 11:31.48 | celtune | hi Dave :) |
| 11:32.09 | hipitihop | celtune, some nice packages btw. do you know if the python-opengl actually works ? |
| 11:32.09 | Dave | :) |
| 11:32.16 | Dave | heh |
| 11:32.18 | celtune | i hope they are all working for you |
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| 11:33.11 | celtune | hipitihop: sorry python-opengl not testet |
| 11:35.11 | Dave | Marcel, are you master of celtune? :P |
| 11:35.33 | celtune | Dave: yes |
| 11:35.59 | Dave | :D |
| 11:36.06 | Dave | Good, now I can harass you! :) |
| 11:36.14 | Zorkman | lol :) |
| 11:36.59 | tunys | I'm bored |
| 11:37.08 | tunys | so I'm going to stalk people using TangoGPS |
| 11:37.10 | Dave | Celtune, is my impression correct, that many of the packages just have empty entries (they are added to the packages archive file, but nothing describing it), or is opkg just fucked up, or were they just not intended for this particular version? |
| 11:37.11 | tunys | and see if they're on here |
| 11:37.18 | Dave | high-fives tunys |
| 11:37.23 | Dave | ooh, I should do that too |
| 11:37.33 | Dave | check if my stalker got any closer! :o |
| 11:37.46 | tunys | is there an undrwater in the house?? |
| 11:38.10 | tunys | you're only 540 km from me |
| 11:38.14 | tunys | ooooh, k-lined |
| 11:38.15 | tunys | the big K |
| 11:38.23 | tunys | wonder what she was doing |
| 11:38.36 | Dave | hahah omg |
| 11:38.42 | Dave | No wonder my phone was running slow |
| 11:38.48 | Dave | openmoko-today is using 413M |
| 11:38.51 | celtune | Dave: what dio you mean |
| 11:38.54 | Dave | AWESOME |
| 11:39.08 | tunys | TheDoctor? is that DocScrutinizer? |
| 11:39.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | tunys, spamming, apparently |
| 11:39.20 | tunys | maybe doc|home? |
| 11:39.21 | gromgull | |FiLiP|: Thanks! I wont ask how on earth you figured this out |
| 11:39.27 | tunys | Kamping_Kaiser: cool |
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| 11:40.05 | DocScrutinizer | ~DocScrutinizer |
| 11:40.05 | apt | rumour has it, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 11:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:40.52 | Dave | celtune, here is an example. if I opkg info <some package> that's IN celtune, AND my local updated repository (on the phone), not only does it not just come up with version, package, arch, but then no description, but opkg just prints NOTHING, as if it wasn't there, which is what it typically prints when it can't find a particular package. |
| 11:41.03 | Dave | KenYoung! :) |
| 11:41.33 | KenYoung | Hi Dave! |
| 11:42.11 | Dave | celtune, in fact, it would appear that many of the packages in your repository are MISSING from the Packages.gz file! because when I opkg install them, it doesn't find them in the repo! I have to manually link to them (I recall having to do this with SEVERAL packages!) |
| 11:42.21 | celtune | Dave: it got nothing to do with my rep if there is no description than there is no desc. in the .bb |
| 11:42.26 | Dave | Kenyoung, a pleasure, as always, to see you :) |
| 11:43.12 | KenYoung | Dave, You're too kind. |
| 11:43.26 | Dave | :) |
| 11:44.02 | hipitihop | anyone know if/when sound on suspend/resume is/will be resolved on 2008.8-upgraded ? |
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| 11:44.34 | Dave | woto, my freerunner only takes six minues to reboot! |
| 11:44.36 | Zorkman | hipitihop: it works good on my FR, but i have not tested it with SIM |
| 11:44.52 | Dave | I return to what a wise noob once said... |
| 11:44.59 | Zorkman | only problem is that suspend->resume breaks the usb charging |
| 11:45.09 | Dave | Is the 2008.8 ready for the neo yet? |
| 11:45.11 | Zorkman | you need to remove and instert the usb again |
| 11:45.12 | celtune | Dave: yes many of them are not in the packages file but if you tell me the packages i can add them ;) |
| 11:45.14 | Zorkman | :D |
| 11:45.18 | Dave | ;) |
| 11:45.27 | Zorkman | maybe jadams can help us with the answer :) |
| 11:45.29 | Dave | celtune, uggh, okay :P |
| 11:45.31 | Dave | Zorkman :D |
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| 11:45.35 | celtune | these are packages from elder builds |
| 11:45.40 | tunys | whoah! |
| 11:45.42 | Dave | celtune, I'm sure there's got a be a way to automate the process |
| 11:45.44 | hipitihop | zoekman, I mean with sim.... today for the first time I experienced it after suspend/resume, I could not hear the dialed ring or the other party and the other party could not hear me. rebooting the fr fixed |
| 11:45.48 | tunys | DocScrutinizer: so do you live that close to the highway? |
| 11:45.52 | Dave | elder builds? :\ |
| 11:45.52 | tunys | or were you driving? |
| 11:46.01 | Dave | driving well freerunning!? |
| 11:46.06 | Dave | that sounds HIGHLY dangerous :p |
| 11:46.19 | Dave | Don't drive and Moko! |
| 11:46.23 | celtune | no me dont want to automate it |
| 11:46.26 | tunys | maybe he was at a restaurant, I'll google maps his location |
| 11:46.31 | Zorkman | IO have build a little farraday cage fot the FR to sit in when I transport it with the car, it's just too darn dangerous |
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| 11:46.51 | Zorkman | hup holland! |
| 11:47.01 | Dave | celtune, I'm not saying you must automate it (though I really don't understand why you would not), just write a script to run once which will add everything that's missing... |
| 11:47.04 | Dave | unless you don't want that :( |
| 11:47.32 | DocScrutinizer | lives *inside* a highway bridge (like "Einstuerzende Neubauten" had their studio once) ;-) |
| 11:47.40 | tunys | oic |
| 11:47.52 | Dave | Doc, makes you sound more like a troll! |
| 11:47.53 | tunys | and you get internet there? |
| 11:47.58 | Dave | living under a bridge and all :D |
| 11:48.02 | Dave | lurking in your lair |
| 11:48.07 | Dave | I knew he was evil! :P |
| 11:48.12 | Dave | and not just because he was german! :P |
| 11:48.17 | hipitihop | can someone describe the purpose of busybox in < 25 words |
| 11:48.18 | Zorkman | there are also tubes under a brigde, hence there is internet |
| 11:48.52 | Dave | hippityhop, to fuck you over episodically, and remind you of its inherent shittiness? |
| 11:48.57 | Dave | There, does that suffice? :) |
| 11:48.59 | Zorkman | quotes wikipedia: "usyBox is a software application which provides many standard Unix tools, much like the larger (but more capable) GNU Core Utilities." |
| 11:49.28 | Dave | *cough* INFERIOR standard Unix tools *cough* |
| 11:49.37 | Dave | more capable? |
| 11:49.48 | Dave | for causing one to commit suicide, maybe. |
| 11:49.54 | Dave | oh nice, my freerunner just finished booting. |
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| 11:50.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | BB is a posix shell, but i'll agree the tools are annoying as hell |
| 11:50.27 | Dave | they're so INcapable of doing what you want |
| 11:50.35 | Dave | because they only support like half the options, etc. |
| 11:50.42 | Dave | they merely infuriate the user |
| 11:50.52 | Dave | but when the alternative is cross-compiling the bin tools... |
| 11:50.53 | Dave | heh |
| 11:50.58 | Dave | maybe they just tend to suck it up :p |
| 11:51.36 | phrozen77 | when opening the case, can someone see if the gps hw fix is there? |
| 11:51.39 | |FiLiP| | BusyBox has been written with size-optimization and limited resources in mind. |
| 11:51.47 | Dave | ;p |
| 11:51.50 | Dave | clearly |
| 11:52.10 | Dave | What'd you get that from the man page or something? ;) |
| 11:52.31 | tunys | Nah |
| 11:52.38 | tunys | there is no man on the freerunner :P |
| 11:52.48 | phrozen77 | Dave, Zorkman - you got an idea? |
| 11:53.07 | tunys | in the wrong context... that would infuriate a lot of people associated with this project |
| 11:53.30 | Zorkman | phrozen77: you can (at least i heard) |
| 11:53.34 | Dave | phrozen, you'd likely have to take it apart |
| 11:53.38 | Zorkman | look at the sd-card |
| 11:53.38 | phrozen77 | and hoooooow? |
| 11:53.53 | Dave | DESTROY IT! |
| 11:54.44 | tunys | STOP ON IT! |
| 11:54.46 | tunys | BURN IT! |
| 11:55.05 | Dave | stomp? |
| 11:55.11 | tunys | yeah |
| 11:55.23 | Dave | silly tuna :p |
| 11:55.31 | Dave | ;) |
| 11:55.46 | tunys | though stomping involves a fair amount of stopping force |
| 11:55.54 | Zorkman | phrozen77: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/d/dd/Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf |
| 11:56.02 | Dave | hah |
| 11:56.10 | Dave | go go Zorkapedia |
| 11:56.11 | Dave | ;) |
| 11:56.25 | tunys | has anyone noticed that bricode is in South America? |
| 11:56.26 | Zorkman | I KNOW IT ALL! ^^ |
| 11:56.30 | Dave | hva gjör du? |
| 11:56.33 | tunys | last seen in the middle of a highway |
| 11:56.37 | tunys | did he get kidnapped? |
| 11:56.41 | Dave | tunys, that's an improvement from Antarctica! |
| 11:56.43 | Dave | :D |
| 11:56.53 | tunys | he was in Antarctica? |
| 11:56.56 | Dave | yeah |
| 11:56.58 | Dave | for a long time |
| 11:57.10 | harnir | how to use scap.linuxtogo.org from the command line? |
| 11:57.10 | Zorkman | phrozen77 should have been in antarctica |
| 11:57.11 | Dave | apparently he rafted it up,... onto a south american highway? o_O |
| 11:57.15 | Dave | party? |
| 11:57.30 | Dave | harnir, is X running? |
| 11:57.37 | harnir | yes |
| 11:57.55 | Dave | run: gpe-scap |
| 11:58.00 | tunys | JohnGay, there's a name I recognize |
| 11:58.01 | Dave | that should launch the screenshot application |
| 11:58.05 | tunys | he's in Florida! |
| 11:58.09 | Dave | haha |
| 11:58.41 | tunys | last seen just a couple days ago! |
| 11:59.01 | Dave | hmm |
| 11:59.06 | Dave | let's see if I can stalk yet |
| 11:59.22 | harnir | Dave: command not found (on Debian) |
| 11:59.30 | Dave | OH, debian |
| 11:59.34 | Dave | why didn't you say so :D |
| 11:59.39 | harnir | :-) |
| 11:59.41 | Dave | we're not ALL using debian... yet... |
| 11:59.43 | Dave | >:) |
| 11:59.46 | Dave | YET |
| 11:59.54 | harnir | MWHAHAHA |
| 12:00.06 | Dave | ;) |
| 12:00.11 | harnir | so? |
| 12:00.26 | Dave | I, reluctantly, have no idea. |
| 12:00.28 | hipitihop | just confirmed that sound seems to be ok on 2008.8-upgraded (updated 10 minutes ago) seems to work with voice calls after suspend/resume |
| 12:01.14 | Dave | slaps celtune around a bit with a large tuna |
| 12:01.18 | hipitihop | noticed a swag of updates inlcuding busibox and alsa which may or may not have fixed something |
| 12:01.22 | tunys | ouch |
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| 12:01.37 | Dave | ;D |
| 12:02.13 | tunys | John Gay also lives rather close a main road |
| 12:02.22 | hipitihop | more importantly, are there any decent games in the celtune repo |
| 12:03.38 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07zhone * r790b1de2ed16 10/ (data/themes/zhone.edc src/zhone): zhone: Remove top bar in favour of the illume bar. Display year under time |
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| 12:03.58 | tunys | Nickname: neoistheshit |
| 12:03.59 | tunys | :D |
| 12:04.02 | Dave | :D |
| 12:04.15 | harnir | Dave: found it :-) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_scap |
| 12:04.33 | Dave | :D |
| 12:05.09 | tunys | Dave: that's not you, is it? |
| 12:05.22 | tunys | found you! |
| 12:05.50 | Dave | FOR I AM DAVE |
| 12:05.58 | Dave | ... and THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!! |
| 12:06.13 | Zorkman | tunys: wherever you find Dave, I'll set my watch and warrant on the fact that she (=Lazy Lulu) will also be near |
| 12:06.13 | Dave | starts swinging in random directions with a big sword. |
| 12:06.31 | Dave | I hope she hasn't gotten any closer :\ |
| 12:06.32 | tunys | Zorkman: yeah, lazy lulu is pretty close |
| 12:06.34 | Dave | crazy bitch! |
| 12:06.37 | hipitihop | bugger, just tried gpe-tetris from celtune feed but it fails when run for missing /usr/share/pixmaps |
| 12:06.39 | Dave | tunys, she's stalking me. |
| 12:06.42 | Dave | :( |
| 12:06.56 | Dave | goddamn pos, get a fix already! |
| 12:07.53 | tunys | I'm going to use distance triangulation to figure out how close you are |
| 12:08.07 | Dave | far away? |
| 12:08.11 | Dave | from foreigners :D |
| 12:08.18 | tunys | how close you are from lazy lulu |
| 12:08.24 | celtune | hipitihop: for all the games just take a look http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/ (but the site takes some time to load - ~ 18500 ipks in there) |
| 12:08.28 | tunys | she last updated on the 31st |
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| 12:09.00 | Dave | yeah it does |
| 12:09.08 | Dave | ah good |
| 12:09.13 | Dave | hopefully she didn't get any closer |
| 12:09.13 | hipitihop_zzz | celtune, thanks that's where I am looking. see above re problem with gpe-tetris |
| 12:09.42 | celtune | sorry i just builded the .bb out of oe |
| 12:09.44 | Dave | celtune, did you hear my last gripe regarding your repository? ;) |
| 12:09.48 | Dave | heh |
| 12:09.51 | celtune | for gpe-tetris |
| 12:10.09 | celtune | Dave: yes im thinking about it |
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| 12:10.22 | celtune | how to do it best way |
| 12:10.43 | hipitihop_zzz | celtune, do you know any games which work on fr ? 2008.8 ? |
| 12:11.12 | celtune | sorry me got no fr just a nbeo |
| 12:11.28 | Dave | celtune okay :) |
| 12:11.31 | celtune | and me dont use 2008.8 |
| 12:11.38 | Dave | celtune, ah, okay! |
| 12:13.17 | milos_ | !logs |
| 12:13.18 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 12:13.19 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 12:13.20 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 12:13.22 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 12:13.24 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
| 12:15.15 | tunys | you're like 1 km by my math, darkjames |
| 12:15.18 | tunys | er, Dave |
| 12:15.28 | Dave | celtune, huh? |
| 12:15.36 | Dave | damn, did I get a fix yet? |
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| 12:15.49 | Dave | sweet! |
| 12:15.58 | Dave | I just needed to put it out the window! |
| 12:16.29 | tunys | Dave: you don't need to get a fix to throw her off |
| 12:16.29 | ronny | hmm, i really have to put in that capacitator |
| 12:16.38 | Dave | ;D |
| 12:16.39 | tunys | set someplace else as your current location |
| 12:16.46 | hipitihop_zzz | how does one know how to launch something just installed from a package which did not put an icon on the desktop ? |
| 12:16.47 | Dave | ronny, FLUX capacitor? ;D |
| 12:16.51 | tunys | like in South America with bricode |
| 12:16.53 | Dave | tunys, antarctica! |
| 12:16.58 | Dave | PARTY WITH BRICODE! |
| 12:17.01 | tunys | YEAH! |
| 12:17.03 | Dave | \o/ |
| 12:17.05 | tunys | ON THE HIGHWAY!! |
| 12:17.19 | ronny | Dave: nag, that 5µf thing to fix the interference betwen the dscard reader and gps |
| 12:17.23 | Zorkman | :D lollers |
| 12:17.29 | Tig| | hipitihop_zzz: use the terminal? |
| 12:17.52 | Dave | tunys, that sounds ridiculously dangerous. |
| 12:17.56 | Dave | ronny, yeah |
| 12:17.57 | Dave | :) |
| 12:18.03 | Dave | then SDHC! |
| 12:18.05 | Dave | woo |
| 12:18.05 | Zorkman | ronny; if i had to choose between a flux capacitator or a 5µf thing... FLUX ALL THE WAY! |
| 12:18.14 | hipitihop_zzz | Tig|, yes but how can I tell what the package installed ? |
| 12:18.15 | Dave | Zorkman, it would seem that she has returned to Philly. |
| 12:18.27 | Zorkman | yeah |
| 12:18.30 | tunys | _____o/[ ]\o_______\o/ |
| 12:18.31 | Zorkman | i lost the bet :( |
| 12:18.33 | tunys | that's a car |
| 12:18.40 | tunys | nearly run over a party animal |
| 12:18.42 | gromgull | |FiLiP| - your sysctl fix made no difference though :( |
| 12:18.44 | gromgull | I get the same error |
| 12:18.59 | Tig| | hipitihop_zzz: ah, what were you trying to install? |
| 12:19.50 | hipitihop_zzz | oh-puzzles |
| 12:20.14 | Tig| | ah |
| 12:20.17 | Tig| | no idea then |
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| 12:20.25 | Dave | OmG |
| 12:20.31 | Dave | wurp is in the US! |
| 12:20.35 | hipitihop_zzz | I can do 'opkg info oh-puzzles' but when I do 'opkg files oh-puzzles' it says it is not installed |
| 12:20.36 | Tig| | unpack the ipkg and have a look inside? |
| 12:20.39 | tunys | linuxxr |
| 12:20.43 | tunys | i know I've heard that before |
| 12:20.56 | bricode | Dave: 'morning. Where are you located anyway? |
| 12:21.09 | tunys | bricode: why are you in South America? |
| 12:21.15 | tunys | have you been kidnapped? |
| 12:21.18 | Dave | haha |
| 12:21.22 | Dave | yeah, that's what we're wondering ;) |
| 12:21.24 | bricode | tunys: It's where I choose to be. |
| 12:21.33 | bricode | tunys: The weather and food here are better. |
| 12:21.33 | Dave | I think bricode just likes to spoof his location to give us all a good laugh. |
| 12:21.37 | Dave | and paranoia |
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| 12:21.39 | Dave | :P |
| 12:21.43 | Dave | bricode, on a highway? |
| 12:21.45 | tunys | bricode: so... tax evasion? |
| 12:21.47 | Dave | :P |
| 12:21.48 | Dave | haha |
| 12:22.08 | tunys | who's that guy in Mexico, fice? |
| 12:22.10 | bricode | Dave: Ditches are pretty comfortable. So are cardboard boxes. |
| 12:22.17 | Dave | :D |
| 12:22.23 | Dave | hobo powa! |
| 12:22.29 | bricode | tunys: Actually, more tax planning. |
| 12:22.49 | tunys | bricode: gonna start a pyramid scheme then? |
| 12:22.50 | Dave | "planning" ... yeeeeeeeeeeah |
| 12:22.54 | Dave | :P |
| 12:22.58 | bricode | Also our target market are emerging nations, so why not be on the ground? |
| 12:23.02 | tunys | yeah, get with the Mexican mafia. |
| 12:23.15 | tunys | they are powerful here in Arizona (hint as to location) |
| 12:23.16 | Dave | :o |
| 12:23.24 | bricode | tunys: Well, we do have a 2-tier referral program with Koolu. |
| 12:23.25 | Dave | you must be melting, today |
| 12:23.35 | Dave | cthuulhu? |
| 12:23.40 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8e5e8f450fbc 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/pdp.py: ogsmd: start honoring user and password in PDP |
| 12:24.12 | Dave | oh, you liars |
| 12:24.15 | Dave | he's in CENTRAL america |
| 12:24.17 | Dave | pfft |
| 12:24.25 | bricode | Dave: you didn't answer my question. Where you from? |
| 12:24.26 | Dave | I think he secretly wants to be a rebel fighter |
| 12:24.31 | Dave | I AM FROM THE NEW YORKS |
| 12:24.37 | tunys | Why are there so many people in the ocean off the cost of Africa? |
| 12:24.44 | Dave | they drowned |
| 12:24.46 | Dave | :( |
| 12:24.47 | tunys | oic |
| 12:24.56 | Dave | the failboat sank! |
| 12:24.56 | Dave | :D |
| 12:25.07 | tunys | :D |
| 12:25.12 | tunys | bad omen to the OM project |
| 12:25.37 | Dave | :D |
| 12:25.41 | nyu | you support PDP boxen? ;-P |
| 12:25.57 | tunys | I found another floater |
| 12:26.05 | tunys | look off the cost of India |
| 12:26.09 | tunys | name is deye |
| 12:26.49 | phrozen77 | can the freerunner send/receive mms? |
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| 12:27.49 | tunys | phrozen77: don't think so |
| 12:27.52 | Dave | I'm still somewhat disappointed nyu isn't from new york :| |
| 12:27.59 | Dave | phrozen, mine can |
| 12:28.06 | Dave | tunys ;D |
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| 12:28.12 | tunys | but I have never been very excited about the sorts of things people MMS me |
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| 12:28.15 | Dave | Search and Rescue teams, MOBILIZE! |
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| 12:28.28 | Tig| | hmm locations seem to expire on the TangoGPS friends service |
| 12:28.29 | Dave | tunys, heh yeah |
| 12:28.38 | Dave | heh |
| 12:28.44 | Dave | Means you should use it more! |
| 12:28.45 | Dave | MORE! |
| 12:29.46 | phrozen77 | MOAR! |
| 12:29.51 | Tig| | lawks there is another user within about 20 miles of me! |
| 12:30.11 | tunys | clicking on that huge sex orgy in Europe crashes TangoGPS on my neo |
| 12:30.29 | Tig| | is that a POI? :P |
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| 12:31.24 | Dave | Zorkman, I just noticed there's an Aaron which appears to be 50km away from you ;p |
| 12:31.27 | Dave | :D |
| 12:32.19 | tunys | my neighborhood hasn't been drawn yet ;_; |
| 12:32.26 | tunys | So I went onto OSM |
| 12:32.34 | Zorkman | yeah i was it also |
| 12:32.36 | tunys | and I drew a road that goes through my hood |
| 12:32.51 | tunys | but it hasn't appeared on OSM.org yet ;_; |
| 12:33.23 | Zorkman | tunys: takes about a week |
| 12:33.24 | Dave | good |
| 12:33.32 | Dave | Stop messing with our maps! |
| 12:33.35 | Zorkman | *was=saw |
| 12:33.56 | Zorkman | the guy better identify himself withing the next 24hours or i'm going underground |
| 12:34.01 | Zorkman | -g |
| 12:34.38 | Dave | :D |
| 12:36.49 | Dave | yeah, it must expire, (hopefully not literally :P), because more than half the aussie freerunners disappeared |
| 12:36.56 | Dave | now it's just hippityhop and a few other sifs |
| 12:36.56 | Dave | :P |
| 12:38.50 | tunys | Average Speed: -0.2 mph |
| 12:38.55 | tunys | what the hell is that??? |
| 12:39.01 | tunys | I'm going backwards through space? |
| 12:39.07 | Dave | hippityhop, holy shit, you live in the middle of NOWHERE! |
| 12:39.08 | Dave | :P |
| 12:39.17 | Dave | tunys, oh yeah, hot right? |
| 12:39.24 | Dave | I have several screenshots of me going under the sea! :P |
| 12:39.32 | Dave | with negative altitude |
| 12:39.36 | tunys | Dave: look at me, I live on a vacant spot |
| 12:39.42 | Dave | eh? |
| 12:39.44 | Dave | yeah yeah |
| 12:39.57 | Dave | go make a sandcastle or something :P |
| 12:40.22 | Tig| | grrr where is the GTK theme in the FSO image |
| 12:40.43 | Tig| | it is not named the same in the bearstech repos or is not there |
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| 12:43.55 | ronny | hmm, when is fso3 due? |
| 12:44.04 | ronny | (i need working sms, too) |
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| 12:44.42 | Zorkman | Tig|: contact the guy who maintains the bearstech thingy, he is always willing to add it to the repo |
| 12:44.46 | Tig| | ronny: when these are complete I guess ; http://trac.freesmartphone.org/milestone/milestone3 |
| 12:44.58 | Zorkman | ronny: mickeyl said in the weekend |
| 12:45.14 | Tig| | Zorkman: will do, I need to just check it is not me being an idiot ;0 |
| 12:45.18 | Tig| | :) even |
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| 12:49.58 | ronny | nice |
| 12:50.07 | Dave | mickyl says a lot of things ~_~ |
| 12:50.32 | ronny | hmm, if that is done, i can finally replace my old phone with the freerunner |
| 12:50.51 | Dave | \o/ |
| 12:50.55 | Dave | Fix the freerunner! |
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| 12:52.45 | igor321 | yo what needs to be done? |
| 12:53.31 | Dave | EVERYTHING! |
| 12:55.05 | igor321 | wat? i thought it wuz fully functional!!!1! |
| 12:55.27 | harnir | igor321: it is - for us. |
| 12:55.43 | igor321 | harnir: okay then :) |
| 12:56.32 | igor321 | i didn't order it to call my grandma anyways |
| 12:57.04 | SpeedEvil | My neo1973 is more functional than my nokia 3300. |
| 12:57.17 | SpeedEvil | But I trod on that, and it's not worked right since. |
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| 12:58.42 | Dave | haha |
| 12:58.42 | Dave | what are you dissing each other now? |
| 12:58.43 | Dave | My freerunner is more functional that your grandma! |
| 12:59.24 | igor321 | really depends on that you consider functional |
| 12:59.34 | igor321 | cause my grandma bakes cookies |
| 12:59.36 | Dave | hahaha |
| 12:59.39 | Dave | oooh |
| 13:00.01 | Zorkman | my Fr burns nearby electronics :P |
| 13:00.02 | igor321 | she don't make phonecalls, though |
| 13:00.13 | Dave | ;D |
| 13:00.17 | Dave | yeah |
| 13:00.19 | Dave | mine too |
| 13:00.24 | Dave | TERRORISM! |
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| 13:01.18 | ronny | mine just crashes windows boxes |
| 13:01.30 | ronny | and i refuse to fix that or report it as bug |
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| 13:02.23 | harnir | ronny: that's definately not a bug ;-) |
| 13:02.37 | harnir | or it is, but on the Windows side |
| 13:02.40 | soltys | it's a feature ;] |
| 13:02.43 | Tig| | ronny: er it is an anti-theft feature :) |
| 13:02.48 | ronny | oh |
| 13:02.51 | ronny | nice |
| 13:03.01 | ronny | is there any way to boost the range |
| 13:03.06 | ronny | to say like 10 miles |
| 13:03.19 | Tig| | is there really a need? just be more patient :) |
| 13:03.30 | beni_ | someone here installed edje_cc onto debian |
| 13:03.30 | beni_ | ? |
| 13:03.33 | ronny | (i really want our small town free of windows) |
| 13:03.41 | beni_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Edje |
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| 13:04.23 | harnir | this channel needs it's own bash! |
| 13:04.32 | harnir | make a page on the wiki for quotes |
| 13:04.39 | beni_ | i was able to decompile the fso.edj, changed the background image but then the edje_cc fails with unknown tags inside the edc file. |
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| 13:06.20 | Kagee | I'm trying to update or install my fresh Freerunner, but i get 8 404's when i run update, and it cant find any packages. |
| 13:06.41 | Kagee | (i get 404 for both archinves and signature files) |
| 13:07.16 | Kagee | DNS and network is set up and working |
| 13:07.41 | ronny | hmm |
| 13:07.46 | ronny | dammit |
| 13:08.08 | ronny | on intrepid the network-manager detects the phone as network device and does odd stuff |
| 13:08.43 | Tig| | it does that on hardy too |
| 13:09.06 | Dave | kinky :p |
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| 13:09.08 | Tig| | you then have to click the icon and reselect your normal network device, you can turn it off |
| 13:09.09 | ronny | oO it didnt on mine |
| 13:09.12 | phrozen77 | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180285661027 |
| 13:09.14 | phrozen77 | ^^ |
| 13:09.48 | ronny | is there any way to make an propper setup that doesnt require any more messing around every time one plugs the freerunner in ? |
| 13:10.04 | Dave | heh |
| 13:10.30 | ronny | pointers to howtos would be nice, as i cant find usefull stuff via google |
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| 13:12.51 | ronny | oh, it seems like network-manager is suppsoed to handle multiple connections starting at version 0.7 |
| 13:13.08 | harnir | is the empty battery bug still revelant? I've heard that with empty battery, when I connect FR to power after ~5 minutes I can turn it on without problems, it's true? |
| 13:14.06 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1959: Qtopia build key needs to be set ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1959 ) |
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| 13:15.35 | Tig| | ronny: if usb0 is configured in /etc/interfaces then NM should not touch it |
| 13:16.07 | ronny | oh, it is |
| 13:16.45 | Tig| | how do you normally start it? |
| 13:16.51 | Tig| | (usb networking) |
| 13:17.13 | ronny | plug&play |
| 13:17.23 | ronny | at least thats what i did before switching to intrepid |
| 13:17.29 | ronny | now it shows up in nm |
| 13:17.45 | ronny | oh dammit, i left my usb cable at home |
| 13:18.26 | gromgull | harnir: I never experienced this bug either |
| 13:18.33 | gromgull | I think it was fixed with a kernel patch or something |
| 13:18.50 | Tig| | I had it once but that was a while ago |
| 13:19.18 | harnir | I'm thinking about testing it... |
| 13:19.27 | Tig| | you can "jump start" it if you have another nokia battery of the same size and voltage |
| 13:19.37 | harnir | I tried to turn FR on without battery insterted and on USB power, didn't work |
| 13:19.52 | harnir | Tig|: yeah, I don't have it ;-) |
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| 13:20.23 | Tig| | plug in using usb then put your jumpstart battery in or even just touch to contacts, turn on and then you can swap the batteries back :) |
| 13:20.26 | Kagee | How can i get the current battery charge? |
| 13:20.38 | harnir | Kagee: apm |
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| 13:21.04 | Kagee | terminal? |
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| 13:21.20 | Kagee | "Online, battery charging" |
| 13:21.31 | Kagee | but what IS the charge? |
| 13:21.35 | harnir | Kagee: disconnect FR |
| 13:21.41 | harnir | and check again |
| 13:22.09 | harnir | Kagee: and in terminal, apm should give you exact amount |
| 13:22.18 | Kagee | 93% :-D |
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| 13:23.46 | Tig| | is anyone using a wifi with a wpa network on FSO with a GUI? |
| 13:23.50 | Kagee | is that valid for å new phone/battery? |
| 13:25.40 | harnir | see you later |
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| 13:32.52 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 13:33.05 | Tig| | woot wifi working again |
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| 13:37.13 | Zorkman | Tig|: what did you do ? |
| 13:37.23 | Zorkman | my wifi has been broken for more than a week... |
| 13:37.32 | Tig| | well this is on FSO |
| 13:37.38 | Zorkman | ah ok |
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| 13:38.02 | Tig| | downloaded lint-wifi from the wiki and did the a wpasupplicant conf and this time it all worked |
| 13:39.26 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * raa7d34ea0096 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (abstract/pdp.py ti_calypso/modem.py): ogsmd: repair ppp connections without user and password |
| 13:40.01 | Tig| | if FSO could deal with SMS messages it would be back as my daily phone again I think :) |
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| 13:43.17 | mickey|ICE691 | well, i'm sure we will see a plethora of interface approaches now that the service framework reaches the critical mass |
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| 13:51.52 | Tig| | mickey|ICE691: I hope so, great job btw :) |
| 13:53.06 | hipitihop | Dave, can you explain "sifs" and where have you seen my location btw ? |
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| 14:01.52 | hipitihop | Does 2008.8 have nfs support ? I want to try to use the fr to play mp3s etc off my NAS drive while at home |
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| 14:10.01 | sylar91 | Hi, is there anyone who has played videos with mplayer (glamo modded)? |
| 14:10.11 | paroneayea | this may be an insane question, but... is there any way to capture and surpress the register of a click? |
| 14:10.27 | hipitihop | is it still recommended to isntal gpsd on 2008.8-updated ? as per tangogps page on wiki ? |
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| 14:11.24 | hipitihop | s/isntal/install |
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| 14:14.29 | Dasphroz | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180285661027&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=008 |
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| 14:24.22 | hipitihop | during install of gpsd I got "update-alternatives: Linking //etc/default/gpsd to /etc/default/gpsd.default" can someone explain what that is doing ? |
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| 14:26.22 | gromgull | hipitihop |
| 14:26.39 | gromgull | alternatives is a way for linux distros so say that multiple files can fulfill the role of a single program |
| 14:26.54 | gromgull | i.e. think python and how version 2.4, 2.5 etc can all be installed on one system |
| 14:27.05 | gromgull | alternatives just says which to execute when you call just "python" |
| 14:27.15 | gromgull | here we say multiple things could fulfill the role of gpsd |
| 14:27.19 | gromgull | and we will use this one |
| 14:28.02 | hipitihop | so /etc/default/gpsd.default is the one that is being used and I'm safe to make changes in there |
| 14:28.13 | gromgull | yep |
| 14:28.20 | gromgull | well - safe if you know what you are doing i guess :) |
| 14:28.42 | hipitihop | so essentially it is a simlink |
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| 14:29.19 | hipitihop | :-) got it thanks gromgull |
| 14:30.06 | gromgull | it IS a symlink :) |
| 14:30.33 | gromgull | update-alternatives just gives you a structured way to maintain them |
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| 14:41.38 | sylar91 | Hi, someone could help me please? I have a qpk package? how can I install it? oO |
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| 14:42.16 | Tig| | if you mean ipk package then just: opkg install foo.ipk |
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| 14:44.36 | Tig|fso | hmm, there is not enouvh space to irc using pigin on ghe freerunner |
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| 14:46.04 | Tig|fso | ah but if you get rid of the formatting bar it fits :) |
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| 14:55.44 | AntonTakk | someone looking for me? |
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| 14:56.14 | Zorkman | someone asked a question about a voice changer if i recall correctly AntonTakk |
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| 14:56.20 | Zorkman | I think it was addressed to you |
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| 14:58.33 | AntonTakk | ah, that was just an idea i was throwing out, i have nowhere near enough skill to code such an app |
| 15:02.32 | hipitihop | that was me that was asking, I thought you meant that such a thing existed |
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| 15:06.55 | jnr | hey guys is anyone generous enough to give me five bucks im willing to do anything aye please guys |
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| 15:07.22 | ShellEvil | I need my lawn done. |
| 15:07.34 | ShellEvil | I already have the nail-scissors. |
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| 15:10.58 | slaxxin | watcha need only 5 bucks for? |
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| 15:15.56 | wurp2|working | slaxxin: Well, $5 x the number of saps who give to a random anonymous beggar on irc might add up to enough to be worth his time |
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| 15:18.14 | nomeata | Hi. Is Paul-Valentin Borza sometimes around here on IRC? Whatâs his nickname? |
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| 15:20.47 | slaxxin | wurp i think i saw u in dallas |
| 15:20.59 | slaxxin | gps |
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| 15:21.15 | slaxxin | south ou dallas |
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| 15:21.33 | wurp2|working | slaxxin: Yep, probably at Southwest |
| 15:21.36 | wurp2|working | where I work |
| 15:21.50 | wurp2|working | sorry |
| 15:21.52 | wurp2|working | where I "work" |
| 15:22.32 | slaxxin | aislines? |
| 15:22.39 | slaxxin | airlines |
| 15:23.00 | wurp2|working | yeah |
| 15:23.09 | thebishop | is the FIC board used by Moko custom designed, or was it an off-the-shelf part? |
| 15:23.10 | slaxxin | my daughter works south of arlington |
| 15:23.12 | wurp2|working | slinging Java code at HDQ |
| 15:23.24 | wurp2|working | slaxxin: Heh, I live south of Arlington |
| 15:23.33 | slaxxin | she does to |
| 15:24.04 | slaxxin | off cooper street |
| 15:24.04 | Zorkman | maybe wurp2|working is your daughter! |
| 15:24.10 | slaxxin | nope |
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| 15:35.39 | sylar91 | hi, is there anybody who have installed the qtopia sdk? |
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| 15:35.52 | Tm_T | sylar91: why asking? (:) |
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| 15:36.23 | sylar91 | because I need help... do you have it? |
| 15:36.23 | slaxxin | had it installed yesterday |
| 15:36.37 | cjb | flashes raster's image. |
| 15:36.38 | slaxxin | have 2008.8 updated now |
| 15:36.47 | sylar91 | I have a qpk package and I need to install it but I needs the sdk... |
| 15:37.16 | sylar91 | so somebody could please use his sdk to make me installing the package, it's urgent... |
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| 15:39.10 | sylar91 | noone helps me? ;( |
| 15:39.58 | wurp2|working | sylar91: Did you search the wiki for qtopia sdk? |
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| 15:40.41 | sylar91 | yes, but it is 700 megabyte and I can't download it... so somebody could use his sdk please? it takes only few seconds |
| 15:41.32 | wurp2|working | I don't have the sdk and don't understand what you're asking for, besides :-) Are you asking someone to build something for you? |
| 15:41.44 | sylar91 | yes... |
| 15:41.53 | Kagee | I'm trying to update my fresh Freerunner (2007.2, probably), but when i run "opkg update" i get 404 errors on alle the files. When i visit the URL using my browser, it sais the files have been moved :-? |
| 15:41.54 | sylar91 | I have the package and I need to install it... |
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| 15:44.25 | piksi | is there a possibility to connect a microphone to freerunner and use it as a dictating machine (in terms of battery life)? |
| 15:45.00 | wurp2|working | piksi: it already has a microphone... |
| 15:45.14 | wurp2|working | piksi: There are scripts on the wiki to record |
| 15:45.15 | harnir | so, anyone tried to install Google Chrome on FreeRunner? |
| 15:45.15 | piksi | usually phone mics are good for near voices only |
| 15:45.24 | wurp2|working | piksi: true |
| 15:45.40 | wurp2|working | piksi: You could absolutely connect a usb mic... just write the drivers :-) |
| 15:45.57 | piksi | i *seriously* doubt that it would be able to record anything worth listening with purely its own mic, but i was thinking of connecting a mic to the hf |
| 15:45.58 | Kagee | harnir: chrome is windows-beta only |
| 15:46.12 | piksi | we'll just have to wait for someone to port chrome to linux |
| 15:46.21 | wurp2|working | piksi: It can record just fine (like a phone conversation) if you hold it to your mouth like a phone... |
| 15:46.25 | harnir | Kagee: but here's the idea - get Chrome running on FR quickier than on iPhone :-) |
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| 15:46.50 | harnir | and it's current hype, it can be big publicity stunt |
| 15:46.59 | Kagee | I would rather have Opera. |
| 15:47.03 | piksi | here's the idea: stomp on iPhone and burn it |
| 15:47.05 | piksi | ;-) |
| 15:47.22 | Kagee | As far as i can update, i cant do anything :-( |
| 15:47.51 | piksi | wurp2|working: yes but that's not what i'm looking for. rather, i was interested in getting an ordinary throat/shotgun mic to the hf-plug |
| 15:47.55 | harnir | piksi: tried to do that few days ago, it started beeping and I had to run off from shop |
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| 15:48.23 | wurp2|working | piksi: Oh... then I think the issue would be enough power to drive a good mic |
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| 15:49.05 | piksi | wurp2|working: yeah, i was worried about that too. so it's propably down to a good quality usb mic then |
| 15:49.10 | piksi | and getting it to work |
| 15:49.17 | piksi | harnir: you'll have to wave your arms more, like they do in the apple commercials |
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| 15:54.26 | RayDar | WiiChat |
| 15:54.57 | FxChiP|Bed | If you're autistic and you know it flap your arms... |
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| 15:56.26 | cjb | was there a 2008.9 release? |
| 15:56.36 | sicu | flaps arms frantically |
| 15:56.54 | Tm_T | cjb: not that I know |
| 15:58.13 | Kagee | My (new) phone looks for repositories at buildhost.openmoko.org - have they moved to download.openmoko.org ? |
| 15:58.18 | sicu | cjb: 2008.9 will be a bug-fix-release, but is not out yet: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/milestone/Om2008.9 |
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| 15:59.03 | cjb | righto. |
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| 15:59.17 | cjb | maybe I should flash latest fso-testing |
| 15:59.30 | cjb | does anyone know if there have been any big improvements (SMS notification?) there recently? |
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| 16:03.43 | sicu | no idea, sry |
| 16:04.10 | Kagee | Repositories, anyone? |
| 16:04.51 | cjb | what do people use to connect to wifi in 2008.8? |
| 16:04.58 | cjb | the setting screen just says "unknown" |
| 16:06.13 | wurp2|working | cjb: I saw comment messages from CIA- on cdevel yesterday talking about sms notification |
| 16:06.21 | cjb | cool :) |
| 16:06.25 | cjb | but probably not in fso-testing yet |
| 16:06.29 | wurp2|working | dunno |
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| 16:10.37 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r93070525dfa7 10/packages/dropbear/dropbear.inc: dropbear: add /etc/default/dropbear in conffiles only on openmoko |
| 16:10.38 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r388a6f829709 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [srcrev] Upgrade om-settings to r69 |
| 16:10.39 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4c2e81ba989f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get Charlies Qtopia fixes |
| 16:10.39 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2979edce1c85 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.testing' into org.openmoko.asu.stable |
| 16:10.47 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r93070525dfa7 10/packages/dropbear/dropbear.inc: dropbear: add /etc/default/dropbear in conffiles only on openmoko |
| 16:10.47 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r388a6f829709 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [srcrev] Upgrade om-settings to r69 |
| 16:10.50 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r4c2e81ba989f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get Charlies Qtopia fixes |
| 16:10.53 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r8ceb05e86b54 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade efl as encouraged by raster |
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| 16:11.03 | ShellEvil | http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/html/x270-em-datasheet.htm |
| 16:11.08 | ShellEvil | fun board |
| 16:12.19 | zedstar_ | u seen the beagleboard shellevil? |
| 16:12.26 | ShellEvil | yes |
| 16:12.41 | zedstar_ | shellevil wot u think of it? |
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| 16:13.53 | ShellEvil | ok for some things |
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| 16:14.42 | slaxxin | enlightenment was unable to fork a child process |
| 16:14.49 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:20.19 | Zorkman | ieatlint: you've seen this: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/battery/ |
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| 16:35.13 | gator | can someone please recommend a good package for a good mail client? |
| 16:36.33 | gator | also, has anyone been able to get usb keyboard working? |
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| 16:37.29 | Torikun | I installed Qtopia last night and My pc does not see usb0 |
| 16:37.56 | Torikun | anyone know the kernel module to see the device |
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| 16:43.05 | Torikun | Anyone know how to get usb to be detected? |
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| 16:46.41 | Tig| | Kagee: more than likely, they had a bit of a clear out |
| 16:46.52 | Tig| | and reorganised some stuff |
| 16:47.00 | Kagee | so i need to modify *what* files? |
| 16:47.08 | Kagee | (for new URL's) |
| 16:47.14 | Tig| | and must have forgotten that the shipping images are point at the old places. |
| 16:47.44 | Tig| | well the shipping image is very very out of date now, you will probably be best flashing to a newer image |
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| 16:47.54 | Tig| | and then just update from that |
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| 16:48.00 | Kagee | A new 2007.2, or another? |
| 16:48.39 | Tig| | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 16:49.01 | Tig| | well it is up to you, depends on what you want to do, if you read that wiki page it gives you the options |
| 16:50.04 | Kagee | I'm more used to Qt, so i guess 2008.8 is a smart choice? |
| 16:50.31 | Tig| | yep, there are a few bugs in it but it is worth playing with |
| 16:50.46 | Kagee | Does it *work* ? |
| 16:50.48 | Tig| | qtopia is more stable but means you can only use the qt apps |
| 16:51.52 | Torikun | Kagee: I installed qtopia, it is the best sofar |
| 16:52.00 | Torikun | usb networking is not working for me though =( |
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| 16:52.09 | Torikun | maybe it is a distro error |
| 16:52.15 | Tig| | well last time I tried it a few days ago the keyboard was a tad annoying but they are fixing that and I installed a few things and it seemed to work, they are doing a new release (not just updates but an actual release this month) to bug fix a lot of it |
| 16:52.18 | phrozen77 | yeah, i like qtopia also |
| 16:52.28 | phrozen77 | also, networking worked for me |
| 16:52.38 | Kagee | But does qutopia have gps software/accelerometer etc? |
| 16:52.58 | Rakshasa | Raster's keyboard is a must. imho. |
| 16:53.11 | Tig| | I am on the FSO image atm with updates from the bearstech repo, and I have everything barrring SMS working :) |
| 16:53.30 | Tig| | wifi works, gps works etc :) |
| 16:53.51 | Tig| | it is just the phone bit which is not as refined :) |
| 16:54.02 | Tig| | but it is a placeholder/demo app |
| 16:54.52 | phrozen77 | btw, anyone wants to buy my freerunner? :) |
| 16:55.12 | Tig| | Rakshasa: agreed Raster's keyboard is definatly the best one out there atm :) |
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| 16:56.12 | johnsu01 | What's different about it? I'm getting along very well with the qtopia keyboard lately, at least for non-shell stuff.. |
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| 16:57.19 | Tig| | johnsu01: it is similar to the qtopia one but is not as annoying and is a lot nicer to use |
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| 16:58.52 | hipitihop | does anyone know if nfs mounts are supported ? |
| 16:58.52 | Torikun | hipitihop: try mounting something |
| 16:58.59 | johnsu01 | Tig|: Any specific examples of being less annoying? |
| 16:59.50 | Tig| | yes the predictive text stuff does not get in the way as such, you can hide it and bring it back easily and switch between layouts quickly and cleanly as well as different dictionarys |
| 17:00.31 | Tig| | it was really noticeable when I tried the 2008.08 image after the FSO one |
| 17:02.59 | Kagee | Can i boot Qutopia from microSD ? |
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| 17:03.45 | Tm_T | Qtopia |
| 17:03.51 | Tm_T | and yes you can |
| 17:04.01 | Tig| | Kagee: yep iirc, search for dual booting in the wiki |
| 17:04.27 | yamitenshi | hey, a little question: besides opkg update/upgrade, is there anything else you need to do for the GPS fix? I updated yesterday, and just a few minutes ago, and still, it takes about 30 to 45 minutes for me to get a first fix =\ |
| 17:04.44 | Tm_T | Kagee: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia#Option_2:_Dual-Booting_between_Qtopia_and_2007.2_.28Qtopia_boots_from_MicroSD_card.29 |
| 17:04.48 | Kagee | So flashing my phone to 2008.8, and running Qtopia from a SD works. |
| 17:04.59 | hipitihop | anyone know if there have been any security changes in 2008.8-updated recently ? I'm trying to ssh in over the wifii connection and connection is being refused |
| 17:05.42 | Tig| | johnsu01: ah yes the other big thing with it that you can put it in a terminal keyboard map where you can see the whole keyboard and when you click on a button it bypasses all the predictive bollocks and puts the key you pressed on the screen :) |
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| 17:06.03 | Tig| | which is a godsend when you are using a bluetooth keyboard.... |
| 17:06.30 | johnsu01 | that would be handy, using the terminal is painful right now |
| 17:06.41 | Kagee | Should i update my bootloader too? |
| 17:07.01 | Tig| | Kagee: I would not bother, I am still on the one that came with my Freerunner |
| 17:07.18 | Tig| | unless it suggests it in the dual boot info |
| 17:11.09 | Kagee | no. im'm only updattin to 2008.8 today |
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| 17:16.47 | yamitenshi | hipitihop: what error does it give exactly? |
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| 17:19.53 | hipitihop | yamitenshi, ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.47 port 22: Connection refused |
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| 17:20.42 | yamitenshi | hipitihop: looks like dropbear isn't running then |
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| 17:21.10 | Sargun_Screen | I wonder if dash realizes they are wasting 30 MB on their device |
| 17:22.16 | hipitihop | yamitenshi, well I was connected via usb0 & ssh'ed in. I did "ifup eth0" and "ifdown usb0" that should not have killed dropbear afaik |
| 17:22.22 | ShellEvil | Sargun_Screen: gotten deeper into teh device? |
| 17:22.30 | Sargun_Screen | yes |
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| 17:22.43 | Sargun_Screen | ShellEvil: ~= speedevil |
| 17:22.49 | ShellEvil | How much are these things |
| 17:22.50 | ShellEvil | = |
| 17:22.55 | Sargun_Screen | ok |
| 17:23.00 | Sargun_Screen | 300 I think |
| 17:23.06 | ShellEvil | Well - the computer is in a different room. |
| 17:23.10 | Sargun_Screen | My employer bought mine |
| 17:23.41 | FxChiP | ... |
| 17:23.41 | FxChiP | hey |
| 17:23.48 | FxChiP | Does anyone have any innate idea of how the "USB Networking" works? |
| 17:23.56 | ShellEvil | FxChiP: sort-of |
| 17:24.04 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1960: On screen keyboard does not work in landscape mode ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1960 ) |
| 17:24.11 | ShellEvil | FxChiP: you have a driver on the FR that pretyends to be an ethernet card. |
| 17:24.22 | FxChiP | hmm. |
| 17:24.24 | ShellEvil | FxChiP: the PC uses it like it would any USB ethernet card |
| 17:24.33 | Sargun_Screen | SpeedEvil: they are neat devices |
| 17:24.35 | FxChiP | oh fuck |
| 17:24.36 | Sargun_Screen | expensive |
| 17:24.37 | FxChiP | does it tether that way? |
| 17:24.47 | ShellEvil | FxChiP: what are you really asking? |
| 17:25.06 | FxChiP | I went off on a tangent about tethering; do you know how the... oh, it uses it like a USB ethernet card, nevermind |
| 17:25.06 | Sargun_Screen | In order to shell them you can uboot |
| 17:25.12 | Sargun_Screen | er |
| 17:25.17 | Sargun_Screen | get into uboot |
| 17:25.18 | FxChiP | Because I remember hearing that OpenMoko's dfu-util works somewhat on the iPhone as well |
| 17:25.21 | Sargun_Screen | dfu upload |
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| 17:25.24 | FxChiP | I was wondering just how much Apple ganked from OM |
| 17:25.31 | Sargun_Screen | FxChiP: it does |
| 17:25.33 | ShellEvil | FxChiP: likely none. |
| 17:25.36 | Kagee | More than one DFU capable USB device found, you might try `--list' and then disconnect all but one device |
| 17:25.42 | Sargun_Screen | DFU is a standard |
| 17:25.45 | Sargun_Screen | err |
| 17:25.49 | Kagee | When i try to flash :-? |
| 17:25.49 | FxChiP | ShellEvil, probably not, seeing that FR emulates a card |
| 17:25.52 | Sargun_Screen | kind of a standard |
| 17:26.05 | FxChiP | Rather than just getting sent straight TCP packets |
| 17:26.44 | FxChiP | (The iPhone uses TCP over USB XD) |
| 17:27.13 | ShellEvil | You can't send straight USB over TCP |
| 17:27.18 | ShellEvil | as there isn't a standard for it |
| 17:27.26 | FxChiP | TCP over USB |
| 17:27.32 | FxChiP | not USB over TCP |
| 17:27.33 | FxChiP | :D |
| 17:27.51 | yamitenshi | hipitihop: you could always check, just run /etc/init.d/dropbear start |
| 17:27.51 | ShellEvil | err - yes.That. |
| 17:28.05 | FxChiP | and apparently you can use TCP over USB, because the iPhone does |
| 17:28.11 | FxChiP | It's not standard, that's not stopping them ;D |
| 17:28.12 | FxChiP | :D* |
| 17:28.20 | hipitihop | yamitenshi, will try standby... |
| 17:28.21 | FxChiP | It bridges the destination port onto the device's TCP stack or something |
| 17:28.54 | Sargun_Screen | huh |
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| 17:29.58 | FxChiP | Although now that you mention that the FR emulates an ethernet card -- can it be used for anything other than just connecting to the phone? |
| 17:30.56 | Sargun_Screen | What can ethernet be used for' |
| 17:31.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r0ec56ecd246f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [Assassin] bump up the version of assassin to 233 |
| 17:31.08 | Sargun_Screen | That's a better question |
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| 17:32.54 | Dave | Hello Sarguns |
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| 17:33.17 | Dave | Joerg, are you around? |
| 17:34.03 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1961: Distortion when switching to/from landscape mode ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1961 ) |
| 17:34.15 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: what's up? |
| 17:34.35 | Sargun_Screen | hello mes |
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| 17:37.38 | hipitihop | can anyone tell me if dropbear or som other setting has been changed on latest 2008.8-updated as I get connection refused when I try to ssh |
| 17:38.27 | Dave | Hey Joerg, I just had a thought on my way back, and wanted to pass it by you briefly |
| 17:39.04 | Dave | If the device had an integrated gyro, could it conveivably be used as a compass, as well? |
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| 17:44.54 | Dave | joerg? |
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| 17:46.02 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: nope, all gyros (except RLG) have drift, and north will deviate over time |
| 17:46.09 | ShellEvil | Even RLG |
| 17:46.35 | ShellEvil | integrated gyros drift under a degree a min, for good ones. |
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| 17:48.54 | Dave | Joerg, damn, oh well, it was a thought anyway :) |
| 17:49.03 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1962: PV in om.dev should be higher then asu.stable ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1962 ) |
| 17:49.18 | Dave | since currently there is no way to tell direction, except by gps (non-local means). |
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| 17:57.48 | Kagee | Flashing the Neo Freerunner says i should boot into NAND, but the dfu-util says NOR |
| 17:57.52 | Kagee | what is correct? |
| 17:59.11 | Sargun_Screen | boot into NOR |
| 17:59.15 | Sargun_Screen | not nan |
| 17:59.22 | Sargun_Screen | fix that page yo. |
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| 18:02.13 | Kagee | hmm - it's the other way around, dfu-util says NAND |
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| 18:06.09 | Dave | NOR! |
| 18:06.26 | Kagee | Then the dfu-util-wikipage is wrong |
| 18:06.37 | mmontour | Kagee: either will work, although they will have different bugs (depending on which versions of u-boot you have there) |
| 18:07.23 | Kagee | I have what came with my phone. (got it today) I understood that i didn't need to update u-boot |
| 18:07.29 | Dave | How is it wrong? |
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| 18:08.19 | Kagee | wrong as in "does not say the same as anoter, and does not explain why" |
| 18:08.30 | mmontour | Kagee: there are bugs in the u-boot version that shipped with the phone. There's at least 1 different bug in the newest u-boot (doesn't interact properly with the wall charger when the battery is low). |
| 18:09.07 | mmontour | The main reason you might want to update u-boot is if you want to boot from the SD-card, as the factory version can't load the kernel from an ext2/3 partition |
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| 18:10.10 | Sargun_Screen | if you boot into uboot, get console, and then say nep1973 charger off |
| 18:10.12 | Sargun_Screen | it works |
| 18:11.39 | Dave | You talk to your console? :) |
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| 18:17.22 | mattl | woah, it's Dave1! |
| 18:17.23 | Tig| | hmm on the FSO wifi is controlled by DBUS isn't it |
| 18:17.47 | Dave | Indeed. |
| 18:17.48 | Tig| | lawks it is the famous director mattl! |
| 18:18.01 | Dave | heh |
| 18:18.09 | mattl | producer, dahling, producer ;) |
| 18:18.24 | Tig| | ah, my mistake :) |
| 18:18.41 | mattl | you liked the film then? |
| 18:18.50 | Tig| | some of it..... |
| 18:19.17 | mattl | feedback to campaigns@fsf.org are very welcome :) |
| 18:19.25 | Tig| | the GNU team really do need some new artwork :P |
| 18:19.42 | Tig| | I thought you were GNU not FSF... |
| 18:21.31 | mattl | Tig|: I'm both. I was just GNU, but now I work for the FSF. |
| 18:21.49 | mattl | But yeah, more artwork is needed. |
| 18:21.54 | Tig| | is there a simple way to browse the FSO DBUS API to find the wifi power dbus proxy element? |
| 18:22.40 | FxChiP | Producer? |
| 18:22.41 | FxChiP | Whoa |
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| 18:22.47 | FxChiP | Holy moly, he uses IRC |
| 18:22.48 | FxChiP | :D |
| 18:22.50 | FxChiP | That's awesome |
| 18:23.58 | donomo | does FSO have any sort of (command line or otherwise) mp3 player? |
| 18:25.24 | Tig| | donomo: I would have a look through the bearstech repo looking for the usual subjects :) alas opkg does not as far as I know have a version of apt-cache search but I would love to be corrected :) |
| 18:26.35 | gator | any suggestions for a nice e-mail client? |
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| 18:28.56 | donomo | Tig|: thx. im fixing up /etc/opkg files to use shr.bearstech.com |
| 18:29.26 | Kagee | how do i enter a pin using a qwerty-only keyboard?? |
| 18:29.37 | Tig| | Kagee: read the topic |
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| 18:29.53 | Tig| | Kagee: Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
| 18:30.26 | Tig| | :) |
| 18:30.52 | Kagee | what about backspace? |
| 18:31.22 | Dave | Backspaces? Films? you people are nuts :p |
| 18:31.40 | timo2k | hi there somebody know how to make ext2 filesystem on micro sd card in FR? have tried: mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 18:31.52 | timo2k | failing with: /dev/mmcblk0p1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! |
| 18:32.22 | Tig| | Kagee: just drag your finger right to left |
| 18:32.44 | Tig| | across the keyboard :) |
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| 18:34.40 | Kagee | 2008.8 was "blacker" that i would have thought |
| 18:35.28 | Tig| | heh |
| 18:37.01 | gator | which buildhost should i use for upgrading to 2008.8? (re: topic) |
| 18:38.26 | Tig| | gator: are you using a reasonably new image or the one out of the factory? |
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| 18:39.51 | Zorkman | timo2k: umount it first |
| 18:39.58 | nomeata | Hi. When trying to run remoko, I get this error message: |
| 18:40.09 | nomeata | dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "IsRunning" with signature "" on interface "org.bluez.Service" doesn't exist |
| 18:40.13 | Blalien | How do I get the wrench in om2008.8 back? |
| 18:40.25 | Zorkman | nomeata: you trying to run it on 2007.2? |
| 18:40.30 | nomeata | Zorkman: no, Debian. |
| 18:40.39 | nomeata | Zorkman: any ideas whatâs wrong? |
| 18:40.49 | gator | Tig|: did an upgrade last month |
| 18:40.55 | Zorkman | nomeata: nope, I had the same error *I think* on 2007.2 |
| 18:41.07 | baba_melone | Hi, Im using Neo Freerunner and Om2008.8, but my headphones wont work |
| 18:41.11 | baba_melone | They dont output any sound, its only the built-in speakers that work |
| 18:41.12 | gator | Tig|: early august, that is |
| 18:41.28 | nomeata | Zorkman: and you didnât get it to work? |
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| 18:42.04 | Tig| | gator: have a quick look in /etc/opkg/ (the files in there and make sure they are not referencing buildhost) I think they should now be pointing at the feeds on download.openmoko.com but I am not using 2008 atm, there might be something in the wiki about it |
| 18:42.08 | timo2k | Zorkman: unmount is failing too with: umount: /media/card: device is busy , umount -l works but mkfs is complaining with the above error |
| 18:42.45 | Zorkman | nomeata: the only usb device I have is a ps3 and I learned that remoko doesn't work with that (at the moment) so i didn't bother trying to get it to work on 2007.2 |
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| 18:42.59 | Zorkman | timo2k: jsut reboot the device |
| 18:43.06 | Zorkman | afterwards it will probably work just fine |
| 18:43.14 | timo2k | okay tnx |
| 18:44.45 | baba_melone | Hi, Im using Neo Freerunner and Om2008.8, but my headphones wont work, neither when plugging in before booting nor after boot process |
| 18:45.19 | gator | someone type an asterisk i can copy, please O_o |
| 18:45.24 | Kagee | * |
| 18:45.25 | Zorkman | * |
| 18:45.31 | gator | ty |
| 18:45.55 | viq | :D |
| 18:45.55 | kd8ikt | *********** |
| 18:46.07 | kd8ikt | <i was actually cursing at you> |
| 18:46.39 | Zorkman | llo kd8ikt, how's the server behaving :) |
| 18:46.40 | kd8ikt | or i mean i entered in my password and irssi changed it to stars (go ahead try it) |
| 18:47.02 | gator | lol |
| 18:47.05 | kd8ikt | its till up if thats what you mean |
| 18:47.22 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.36 | baba_melone | Hi, Im using Neo Freerunner and Om2008.8, but my headphones wont work |
| 18:47.44 | baba_melone | neither when plugging in before booting nor after boot process |
| 18:47.53 | baba_melone | in alsamixer i cant enable them |
| 18:47.58 | kd8ikt | i can see that baba |
| 18:48.23 | donomo | mplayer will play an mp3 out the Neo speaker even with a headset plugged in. how do i get the audio to go out the headset? |
| 18:48.28 | kd8ikt | have you tried manually loading the alsa state |
| 18:48.28 | timo2k | after reboot still can't umount :( |
| 18:49.19 | kd8ikt | alsactl -restore /var/lib/openmoko/alsastates/or/somesuch/location |
| 18:50.32 | celtune | now all the ipks in rabenfrost.net/celtune/armv4t should be in the packages file, if somebody still finds some ipk in that dir which are missing in the packages file, just tell me i will add them |
| 18:51.44 | gator | how do i see which build i am running, btw? |
| 18:53.25 | Zorkman | nice work celtune! |
| 18:53.37 | celtune | tx :) |
| 18:53.49 | Kagee | Where can i find some Qutopie-screenshots? |
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| 19:14.25 | OdyX | Hi. I know that this question has been asked an infinite numbre of times, but what is the image currently worked on ? OM2008.08 on Openmoko's side and FSO,SHR on Community's side (+ Debian, Qtopia outside), right ? |
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| 19:15.20 | Tm_T | FSO and 08 are IIRC part of openmoko effort |
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| 19:18.13 | OdyX | two different efforts then ? |
| 19:18.27 | OdyX | and SHR is the attempt to join the best of both ? |
| 19:20.07 | phrozen77 | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180285661027&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=008 |
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| 19:31.41 | snp | anyone ordered the freerunner from truebox? |
| 19:31.53 | pjz | is there an opkg update-feed for qtopia? |
| 19:34.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4628 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/gta02-spi/ (. rework.fig rework.pdf verify.sh): |
| 19:34.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: GTA02 rework to connect WLAN to both SPI and SDIO. |
| 19:34.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: verify.sh verifies the connections. |
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| 19:37.58 | lloyd_fedora | i cannot download the rootfs (jffs2) from http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ could some pls check n see if it works on your end .. thanks |
| 19:38.52 | snp | lloyd_fedora: it's downloadable here |
| 19:39.37 | lloyd_fedora | snp: thanks .. it downloads only like 300kb here .. strange .. maybe ill try later |
| 19:40.00 | snp | are you downloading directly to phone or pc? |
| 19:40.19 | lloyd_fedora | snp: eee :) |
| 19:40.35 | snp | ok |
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| 20:01.04 | cjb | hm. running 2008.8, and sometimes my SIM doesn't register on the first try, I need to tell it to try again |
| 20:01.09 | cjb | how would I do that? |
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| 20:06.05 | slaxxin | cjb u have at&t? |
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| 20:07.20 | slaxxin | if the contacts of the sim are offset to 1 side so far that the center contact might be shorting to the tab on the sin holder brkt> |
| 20:07.35 | slaxxin | SIM* |
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| 20:08.10 | slaxxin | mine was and it would not connect about 1/2 of the time |
| 20:09.30 | slaxxin | i went to at&t an they traded sims an i git 1 that had contacts nearly centered an it worked flawlessly |
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| 20:12.17 | torindel | note: you could use isolation tape to prevend short circuting if you dont want to change sim |
| 20:12.52 | torindel | (that wont hurt your moko neither sim card) |
| 20:13.18 | thebishop | is it possible to add a hard drive to the FIC board in an openmoko? |
| 20:14.06 | torindel | via usb |
| 20:16.32 | Kagee | If i select "speakerphone" under a conversation in Qtopia, i hear some awful sounds :-S |
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| 20:18.27 | lpotter | would be the same under any gui too |
| 20:19.07 | lpotter | itsbecause the speakers are too close to the mic |
| 20:20.28 | spydon | didn't they try that before they shipped :S |
| 20:20.31 | Kagee | it sounds like a modem ? |
| 20:22.15 | wurp2|working | I'm not sure how you could really set up a speakerphone so you don't get lots of the speaker sound feeding back through the mic |
| 20:22.24 | wurp2|working | You need sw to cancel it out |
| 20:22.28 | Kagee | no ssh server at the qutopia image? |
| 20:23.08 | wurp2|working | Well, I guess you could make the mic cut out any time sound is coming through the speaker, and I've seen speakerphones like that, but it sucks, and I sure wouldn't do that in hardware |
| 20:23.25 | mmontour | A "listen-only" speakerphone mode (mic muted) would be useful for some scenarios, like listening to on-hold music while you're waiting to get through to a tech-support line |
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| 20:28.01 | wurp2|working | mmontour: agreed... I would think that would be trivial to implement, too |
| 20:28.10 | Amorphous | seem like dfu-util corrupts stuff when uploading :( is it like that for everyone? |
| 20:28.23 | mmontour | I think one of the old 2007.2 state files already did that |
| 20:28.26 | wurp2|working | just store off the old alsa settings & change the mic level to 0, then revert when unmute is pressed |
| 20:28.58 | wurp2|working | Amorphous: Isn't that a known bug? |
| 20:30.23 | mmontour | Amorphous: yes, known issue. #676 and some newer one whose number I don't remember |
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| 20:30.58 | Amorphous | wurp2|working, yea now found a bug for that.... just wondering why nobody seemed to work on it... |
| 20:31.15 | Amorphous | i can reproduce #1843 |
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| 20:34.06 | Amorphous | doh! i missed the note about #676 on wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup |
| 20:36.46 | mattbnz | are there images for SHR floating around, or does it need to be compiled from scratch atm? |
| 20:39.44 | Pjj | hm somehow my freerunner (with 2007.2) doesn't remember the time, after X days it could easily be 15 minutes before the actual time |
| 20:40.17 | cjb | bah, my 2008.8 isn't registering with GSM |
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| 20:40.40 | cjb | slaxxin: yeah, AT&T |
| 20:41.02 | cjb | slaxxin: I tried that too but I couldn't work out the offset, each one they gave me was the same |
| 20:41.06 | cjb | slaxxin: do you happen to have photos? |
| 20:41.15 | cjb | of good and bad SIMs |
| 20:41.19 | slaxxin | on the wiki |
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| 20:41.31 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.37 | cjb | yes, think so |
| 20:41.51 | slaxxin | u need a 71234O |
| 20:42.05 | cjb | they didn't have any of those |
| 20:42.10 | slaxxin | an i will work |
| 20:42.24 | UndrWater | cjb: you asked them specifically? |
| 20:42.29 | slaxxin | at the store? |
| 20:42.36 | cjb | I asked them to show me their stack of SIMs at the store, and they did |
| 20:42.43 | cjb | and there was 71234G and 71234D |
| 20:42.47 | cjb | and both failed in the same way |
| 20:42.50 | Pjj | any idea bout the clock issue then? :> |
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| 20:43.08 | slaxxin | all they had was O's at the springdale ar store |
| 20:43.10 | UndrWater | cjb: is there another store in your area? |
| 20:43.12 | OdyX | isn't ther a "clock signal" in GSM (for sync'ing the clock) ? |
| 20:43.19 | cjb | UndrWater: yeah, think so |
| 20:43.50 | UndrWater | check the other stores... |
| 20:44.06 | UndrWater | i had to go to 2 before i found a good SIM |
| 20:44.11 | uzytkownik | Is there any easy, known method of importing PB/SMS 2007.02->2008.08? I'd like to migrate as I heard 2008.08 is finally more stable. |
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| 20:44.23 | OdyX | uzytkownik: |
| 20:44.38 | OdyX | I don't find 2008.08 particularily useable |
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| 20:44.48 | slaxxin | just get 1 that the contacts look more centered on the paper of the sim |
| 20:45.10 | OdyX | stable for sure, but not really useable |
| 20:45.38 | UndrWater | OdyX: more stable than say...2 weeks ago? |
| 20:46.07 | OdyX | UndrWater: I had no FR 2 weeks ago ;) |
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| 20:47.44 | wurp2|working | mattbnz: SHR is still under construction, so an image would just look like a 2007.2 image with no usable dialer, and with the fso infrastructure installed but no end user app to make any use of it |
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| 20:53.00 | mattbnz | wurp2|working: ack, compiling now, will see what I end up with :) |
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| 20:57.39 | Kagee | can someone give me gateway and subnet mask from a FR with a 200X distrib ? |
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| 20:59.39 | OdyX | Kagee: depends on your host system |
| 20:59.59 | OdyX | gateway is probably the usb0 address of your host computer |
| 21:00.13 | OdyX | Kagee: forget what I said... |
| 21:00.23 | OdyX | gateway is 192.168.0.200 |
| 21:00.31 | OdyX | and subnet is 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:02.28 | Infoport | cjb I went through that with AT&T and SIMs, and they were going to mail me one that worked, and then another store near me had 71234O |
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| 21:03.02 | cjb | Infoport: ah, interesting |
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| 21:03.25 | UndrWater | can anyone explain what format navit wants for navit center= in the navit.xml file? |
| 21:04.21 | Infoport | cjb or if you are *really* desperate you can buy a SIM from ebay not yet set that is O. I bought 2 for 1.99 each, then got it free from another AT&T store |
| 21:04.44 | Infoport | cjb then a store could turn it on |
| 21:05.04 | cjb | interesting, ok |
| 21:06.59 | Infoport | cjb a reseller may try to charge you, but the official A&T&-only stores won't, and I think they are more likely to have newer chips |
| 21:07.09 | cjb | yeah |
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| 21:07.25 | cjb | with FSO it's not too bad, I just needed to click on the dialer more than once sometimes before it registered |
| 21:07.36 | cjb | with 2008.8 there's no workaround that I know of, though |
| 21:07.44 | cjb | relaunching the Dialer doesn't seem to help |
| 21:09.11 | Infoport | cjb that sounds like what my phone did under OM2007. AT&T suggested I go to a bigger official store that handles the iPhone, I got the G SIM, then tried again after calling them. I think they saw it get fixed that afternoon and canceled maling one (which was also free) |
| 21:09.20 | cjb | ah |
| 21:09.34 | cjb | ok I'll go by and ask them to mail me one if they don't have it |
| 21:10.26 | Infoport | cjb or call customer service-- they were the ones who were going to mail it (then you call up and they activate it, so the other still works partially in the meantime) |
| 21:10.35 | cjb | ok |
| 21:10.36 | cjb | thanks! |
| 21:10.57 | cjb | and I just need to add for a 71234O? |
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| 21:11.19 | UndrWater | yes |
| 21:11.52 | Infoport | cjb yeah and explain that the SIM is offcenter and touches a tab-- they have probably heard that and it shows it is their fault (not some "weird phone") |
| 21:12.01 | cjb | ok |
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| 21:18.12 | Infoport | I have a routing problem for usb0 in 2008.8, fixed by "ip r add via 192.168.0.200 dev usb0" -- how do I make this persist over network restarts? |
| 21:20.28 | Infoport | what is the pattern to change that to an iptable rule? |
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| 21:22.42 | darkjames | Infoport, iptables rule + routing? why? |
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| 21:24.01 | Infoport | darkjames the "ip r add via" rule above fixes my routing using resolvconf in 2008.8 but goes away after a networking restart |
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| 21:24.59 | darkjames | Infoport, still don't know why you want to use iptables. I think route rules can be added in /etc/network/interfaces however i'm not debian user, so don't know :) |
| 21:25.56 | Infoport | darkjames in interfaces under usb0? I'll try it there. I had a gateway line, but the instructions said to remove it, and uncommenting didnt help |
| 21:26.10 | darkjames | Infoport, man 5 interfaces can help. |
| 21:26.42 | darkjames | you can add post-up script, which will add route rule. |
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| 21:30.57 | UndrWater | anyone running navit successfully? |
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| 21:31.43 | Kagee | Can i change the skin / colours on 2008.8 ? |
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| 21:35.24 | UndrWater | Kagee: e part uses edje files i believe, gtk part uses gtkrc2.0, qtopia...no idea ;) |
| 21:35.39 | Kagee | it's too black :-S |
| 21:36.00 | UndrWater | there's a tango theme floating around...i think i have a link |
| 21:36.16 | Kagee | tango sounds nice |
| 21:36.16 | UndrWater | http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/ |
| 21:36.21 | Infoport | darkjames I dont think it is understanding it-- I restarted networking to check and it is hung in "reconfiguring" |
| 21:37.38 | darkjames | Infoport, you have +x on that script? |
| 21:38.47 | Infoport | darkjames oh, I tried to put it in as a single command after post-up |
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| 21:42.30 | darkjames | Infoport, damn, right. |
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| 21:44.44 | Infoport | darkjames ok have +x, networking restart worked, but ip r didnt show the rule until I entered at cmd line |
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| 21:45.40 | darkjames | by the way, you want to add default route rule, so 'gateway' doesn't work? ;/ |
| 21:47.20 | Infoport | darkjames the wiki said to remove for resolvconf, and uncommenting didnt work, although my prev gateway was the router ip |
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| 21:49.28 | Infoport | darkjames damn I think that was it...it wasnt working with router ip, but back to .0.200 seems to do it (which didnt work before all the resolvconf setup) |
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| 21:51.41 | Infoport | darkjames not sure why the wiki said to remove the network and gateway lines (or why the script doesnt run the ip r add via command, even added #!/bin/bash at top to see if it helped)) |
| 21:52.10 | wurp2|working | UndrWater: Is the screenshot http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/screenshots/illume_light_home.png from a debian installation? |
| 21:52.21 | wurp2|working | I see some apps on there that I didn't know were available for FR |
| 21:53.59 | torindel | wurp2|working: most of apps are availble for fr, just not for angstrom builds -__-; |
| 21:54.11 | Infoport | darkjames thanks! I'm never sure what to put-- the FR is a moving target (my router ip WORKED BEFORE as gateway) |
| 21:55.04 | UndrWater | wurp2|working: dunno...i changed my 2008 with those files and it looked like that |
| 21:55.14 | wurp2|working | torindel: Most of which apps? |
| 21:55.24 | wurp2|working | UndrWater: OK, so the screenshot is from a 2008 build |
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| 21:56.13 | torindel | wurp2|working: the one's that doesnt compile with openembedded -_- |
| 21:56.33 | torindel | or there arent bb files for them |
| 21:56.58 | wurp2|working | torindel: I'm trying to get you to narrow down the list of apps that are available for the FR... the way you phrased it, most every app in the world is available for FR |
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| 21:57.10 | wurp2|working | So I'm trying to find out do you mean most debian apps, or what |
| 21:57.44 | torindel | gentoo/debian apps |
| 21:58.00 | torindel | linux stuff in general |
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| 21:58.27 | wurp2|working | torindel: ok, thanks. Does the Repositories page on the wiki show the places to get those apps? Or do you just mean that it is possible to cross-compile them if I build the bb files |
| 21:58.40 | wurp2|working | because if that's what you mean, I know that and it isn't helpful :-) |
| 21:59.55 | Infoport | yeah where can I find more ipk files for 2008.8? I was just getting addicted to the games in 2007 |
| 22:00.10 | torindel | wurp2|working: there are problems with crosscompiling things, so just writing bb file for something might be not sufficent |
| 22:00.32 | wurp2|working | torindel: Yeah, I know, that's why I was asking where I could find the ipks :-) |
| 22:00.37 | torindel | where as you can find such stuff for fr on other distros |
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| 22:06.41 | Infoport | ok so 2008.8 is working again, guess I'll see what Qtopia has while I was on OM2007 |
| 22:07.47 | UndrWater | Infoport: working again? |
| 22:08.29 | wurp2|working | torindel: I still haven't seen you tell us where to find any of those ipks |
| 22:08.56 | torindel | wurp2|working: well gentoo doesnt use ipks |
| 22:09.22 | torindel | neither debian |
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| 22:13.18 | Dave | wurp! |
| 22:13.33 | Dave | duh |
| 22:13.36 | Dave | debian uses .debs |
| 22:13.43 | Dave | and gentoo uses .rices ;p |
| 22:13.48 | CVirus | STFU |
| 22:13.50 | CVirus | n00b |
| 22:13.52 | Dave | :DD |
| 22:13.57 | Dave | Howdy Mister Virus |
| 22:14.00 | Dave | What's new with you, today? |
| 22:14.09 | CVirus | n00b .. you make me sick |
| 22:14.25 | Dave | Thanks virusbot. |
| 22:14.36 | CVirus | lol |
| 22:14.45 | UndrWater | <-ricer |
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| 22:14.54 | Dave | Good |
| 22:15.23 | Dave | You must first let out the evil within you before you may proceed on the path to enlightenment ;) |
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| 22:16.33 | Kagee | I'm getting connection refused when i try to connet to my FR |
| 22:16.57 | Mononoke | Kagee: trough what? |
| 22:17.00 | UndrWater | and where lies the path of enlightenment? e17? |
| 22:17.17 | Dave | Well, clearly not the book of Origin :p |
| 22:17.34 | Kagee | 2008.8, usb, worked before. flashed qt to 2008.8, rebootet and then no ssh |
| 22:18.01 | Mononoke | so trough usb again ? are you sure you can ping it ? |
| 22:18.14 | Mononoke | ssh works for me trough usb but nothing else |
| 22:18.15 | Dave | Are you doing naughty things to your usb? |
| 22:18.26 | Kagee | ping works |
| 22:18.29 | UndrWater | Kagee: unplug and replug usb cable? |
| 22:18.32 | Dave | Monoke, trough? do you mean THROUGH? |
| 22:19.25 | Mononoke | pardon me, english is far from my native :/ |
| 22:19.36 | Dave | Oh, okay |
| 22:19.40 | Dave | You're still not forgiven :) |
| 22:20.01 | Mononoke | goes and dies on cross |
| 22:20.12 | Dave | aww |
| 22:20.12 | Kagee | nope. connection refused |
| 22:20.14 | Dave | not like that |
| 22:20.23 | Mononoke | Kagee: but you can ping it ? |
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| 22:20.28 | Dave | You would deny us the privilege of stoning you to death with freerunner? :D |
| 22:20.28 | Kagee | yeah |
| 22:20.37 | sicu | a usb trough is a truly ingenious invention |
| 22:20.45 | Mononoke | Kagee: do you have terminal on moko ? restart dropbear |
| 22:21.11 | Dave | trough? |
| 22:21.13 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 22:21.13 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
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| 22:21.27 | Dave | apt shush |
| 22:21.27 | apt | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 22:21.30 | Dave | :) |
| 22:21.31 | Kagee | i cant connect to it, i.e. no network over usb set up at the phone, and no wlan, so i have no terminal |
| 22:21.31 | sicu | there there apt, dave didnt mean to upset you |
| 22:21.38 | Dave | sicu -_- |
| 22:21.43 | Mononoke | Dave: you mean "freerunning" something in style of stoning ? |
| 22:21.44 | Dave | du er... |
| 22:21.48 | Dave | ... |
| 22:22.09 | Kagee | Dave: Du er hva? |
| 22:22.13 | mmaestri | hi all |
| 22:22.24 | sicu | it was sencored :p |
| 22:22.28 | Dave | kagee :o |
| 22:22.49 | Dave | er du norsk også? |
| 22:23.01 | Kagee | jaja |
| 22:23.03 | Dave | :D |
| 22:23.10 | mmaestri | after an opkg update && upgrade, all my kernel modules were gone |
| 22:23.11 | Dave | du er kul :D |
| 22:23.20 | Dave | skjera? |
| 22:23.25 | Kagee | Dave: hopp innom #openmoko-no |
| 22:23.31 | Dave | aaaaaaaah :D |
| 22:24.07 | mmaestri | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.42 | mmaestri | so I lost sound, and who knows which else |
| 22:24.52 | Kagee | i cant restart anything |
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| 22:25.13 | wurp2|working | torindel: I'm confused. You said most apps from debian & gentoo were available for the FR. I'm asking you where I can get them from. |
| 22:25.25 | mmaestri | i've installed again kernel-module-snd-* and after a reboot you can see modules loaded |
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| 22:25.29 | mmaestri | but still no sound |
| 22:25.32 | nyu | wurp2|working: packages.debian.org |
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| 22:26.08 | Mononoke | mmaestri: If I got it right all sound goes trough pulseaudio so check pulseaudio |
| 22:26.28 | Infoport | UndrWater sorry I was away. yeah I had borked all my boots at once somehow, got new 2008.8 back up now |
| 22:27.01 | mmaestri | but when I try to run alsamixer, it errors with wave_open_sound > Pa_OpenStream : err=-9996 (Invalid device) |
| 22:27.07 | Dave | pulseaudio ~_~ |
| 22:27.16 | torindel | wurp2|working: on gentoo you can use emerge even if there are no packages for it |
| 22:27.17 | wurp2|working | nyu: packages.debian.org has FR ipks? |
| 22:27.34 | wurp2|working | torindel: Use emerge to build a package for FR? |
| 22:27.41 | mmaestri | wurp2|working: no, it has debs for armel |
| 22:27.57 | mmaestri | wurp2|working: which can be used if you install debian armel on fr |
| 22:28.00 | Dave | caramel? |
| 22:28.02 | Dave | :D~ |
| 22:28.27 | torindel | wurp2|working: yes if you have gentoo installed on fr |
| 22:28.33 | wurp2|working | mmaestri: OK, thanks, so the upshot is that I get all those packages if I install debian on my neo, which I knew |
| 22:28.50 | wurp2|working | It looked very much as if he was telling me I could get those packages on 2008.8 |
| 22:28.55 | nyu | wurp2|working: so why do you ask? |
| 22:29.04 | wurp2|working | torindel: I didn't know anyone had gentoo installed on the fr |
| 22:29.18 | wurp2|working | nyu: See last comment to mmaestri |
| 22:29.19 | torindel | haves |
| 22:29.31 | sicu | gentoo on fr is cool |
| 22:29.35 | sicu | has too |
| 22:30.05 | wurp2|working | I see the wiki page on gentoo now. |
| 22:30.07 | wurp2|working | Cool! |
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| 22:30.46 | Dave | wurp, no debian for you? :( |
| 22:30.54 | torindel | wurp2|working: just keep in mind i'm still building packages for it ;] |
| 22:30.58 | wurp2|working | Dave: I just haven't installed it yet |
| 22:31.17 | Dave | oh, okay :p |
| 22:31.21 | Dave | you're free to go, then :P |
| 22:31.23 | wurp2|working | I probably won't until after MS3, unless I get another SD card to play with |
| 22:31.27 | wurp2|working | kthx |
| 22:31.30 | Dave | haha |
| 22:32.08 | mmaestri | about my tiny little question about sound and else...any comments? |
| 22:34.47 | wurp2|working | mmaestri: Sounds like time to reimage to me |
| 22:35.03 | wurp2|working | mmaestri: I don't trust opkg upgrade at this stage in the game |
| 22:35.50 | Kagee | Is the (default) p of the FR 200 or 202? |
| 22:36.25 | Kagee | *slightly confused at the moment* |
| 22:37.06 | Kagee | p=ip |
| 22:37.23 | Mononoke | FR 202 |
| 22:37.27 | Mononoke | gateway 200 |
| 22:37.39 | Kagee | gatway = desktop pc ? |
| 22:37.43 | Mononoke | yup |
| 22:37.56 | Mononoke | *yes |
| 22:38.19 | Kagee | and i setup usb0 on the gateway to 200, but connect to 202 with ssh etc. ? |
| 22:38.32 | Mononoke | yes |
| 22:39.02 | Kagee | So why have i been trying to ssh root@192.168.0.200 for the last hours ;-( |
| 22:39.44 | Kagee | *stupid me* |
| 22:40.03 | Mononoke | because you don't run ssh on your local PC ? |
| 22:40.56 | Kagee | no, ain't allowed ti runs any kind of servers on this educations network. |
| 22:41.51 | Kagee | Now i see the problem. I'm so tired i cant geek or write english. |
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| 22:59.07 | Pjj | somehow my clock on my freerunner (2007.2) isn't really accurate, after a week for example it is 15 minutes behind real time |
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| 23:05.20 | torindel | Pjj: get ntpdate? ;] |
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| 23:06.30 | Pjj | torindel, usually my neo isn't connected to the internet |
| 23:07.44 | torindel | and 15minutes/week isnt that bad |
| 23:07.58 | torindel | (its not good either tho) |
| 23:08.04 | rwhitby | morning |
| 23:08.15 | darkjames | night. |
| 23:08.17 | torindel | moin |
| 23:08.23 | torindel | darkjames: night |
| 23:08.25 | torindel | ;] |
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| 23:22.19 | doronofek | A music messaging session has been requested. Please click the MM icon to accept. |
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| 23:25.49 | FxChiP|Gone | ? |
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| 23:29.52 | Kagee | is /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card the microSD? |
| 23:30.06 | ShellEvil | yes |
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| 23:30.19 | white_gecko | hello |
| 23:30.31 | white_gecko | how can I configure ssh for wifi |
| 23:30.45 | white_gecko | i have ssh access to my mokophone via usb |
| 23:30.49 | cjb | it's already configured |
| 23:30.53 | cjb | ssh as root with no pass |
| 23:31.08 | white_gecko | but before the last update i had also ssh access via wifi |
| 23:31.46 | white_gecko | but now i get a "Connection refused" |
| 23:33.35 | Jozo | white_gecko: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a6b33a98de5d44db05a771bc1f5d4df532be216 dropbear: improve dropbear security by listening only on usb0 by default |
| 23:33.53 | white_gecko | ah ok |
| 23:34.23 | Kagee | my phone you locked while i was installing illume-config :-| |
| 23:34.26 | white_gecko | thankyou, so it is no error |
| 23:35.26 | Kagee | How do i hard reset å FreeRunenr ?= |
| 23:35.42 | white_gecko | hold the power button |
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| 23:35.53 | white_gecko | until it is off |
| 23:35.59 | white_gecko | if this doesn't work remove all power sources |
| 23:36.06 | white_gecko | batt and usb |
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| 23:37.29 | UndrWater | anyone have navit working? |
| 23:37.44 | Kagee | *now i cant get the battery compartment open* *good night* |
| 23:38.51 | white_gecko | hm |
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| 23:39.07 | white_gecko | i've tried navit |
| 23:39.23 | white_gecko | UndrWater: but i got an error |
| 23:39.40 | white_gecko | because of i file it couldn't open |
| 23:40.06 | white_gecko | Jozo: do you know how i add a second device? |
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| 23:40.40 | white_gecko | what is the separator in the /etc/default/dropbear fole for the ports to listen? |
| 23:41.56 | FxChiP | Hrm |
| 23:41.59 | FxChiP | Re: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues#Can.27t_boot_with_discharged_or_missing_battery |
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| 23:42.11 | FxChiP | The iPhone's charger is a 5V output that takes a USB cable |
| 23:42.18 | FxChiP | Could that possibly work? |
| 23:42.23 | white_gecko | yes |
| 23:42.26 | white_gecko | i think so |
| 23:43.15 | white_gecko | i have tried the iPod charger to load my freerunner |
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| 23:46.51 | FxChiP | I like the FreeRunner, and sometimes wish I had one. |
| 23:47.05 | FxChiP | But I wanna wait for GTA03 :) |
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| 23:50.34 | white_gecko | FxChiP: hm so it is yout decision, i bougt a FreeRunner and I don't rue it |
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| 23:51.56 | UndrWater | how long for gta03? who knows ;) |
| 23:52.16 | ShellEvil | GTA03 test boards have arrived at OM |
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| 23:53.21 | FxChiP | It's not necessarily something to be rued |
| 23:53.26 | FxChiP | It just doesn't have a camera. Or EDGE> |
| 23:53.27 | FxChiP | EDGE.* |
| 23:53.44 | FxChiP | So internet performance without wifi is slower than shit, or so I've heard |
| 23:54.22 | johngay | Who needs a built-in limited resolution camera, when you can just plug in what ever resolution USB camera you want? |
| 23:54.50 | ShellEvil | johncylee: sane people |
| 23:54.53 | FxChiP | That may be true, but it requires that that camera have a driver first, too ;) |
| 23:54.53 | ShellEvil | gay: |
| 23:55.14 | johngay | And EDGE probably suffers from the same closed design that 3G does. |
| 23:55.27 | ShellEvil | And USB cameras are almost all requiring USV2 for the high performance ones, due to internal reasons. |
| 23:55.29 | white_gecko | FyChiP: in ther latest kernel are drivers for uvc camera |
| 23:55.51 | ShellEvil | UVC cameras pretty much all will degrade to _much_ smaller images - even for stills - on USB1 |
| 23:56.14 | ShellEvil | As they don't have internal storage, but rely on streaming the image as it's captured out to USB |
| 23:56.25 | FxChiP | ouch |
| 23:57.04 | ShellEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Camera |
| 23:57.12 | ShellEvil | lists many uses that don't require more than VGA. |
| 23:58.14 | MichaelShiloh | heya |
| 23:58.21 | ShellEvil | Hi. |
| 23:58.40 | ShellEvil | ponders a collaborative price/item database run off UPC barcodes and GPS. |
| 23:58.41 | MichaelShiloh | I'm stuck with a question from a user on the support mailing list. |
| 23:58.59 | johngay | Hiya Mike. I've been following your escapades for two years now. |
| 23:59.51 | ShellEvil | cues the drumroll. |
