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| 00:04.46 | sontek | hmm, let the battery sit out and just put it back in and it still wont boot |
| 00:04.49 | sontek | I think its dead dead :P |
| 00:05.38 | rwhitby | hipitihop: here now |
| 00:05.41 | rwhitby | morning |
| 00:06.06 | mmontour | sontek: you don't need to leave it out of the device for a long time. A few seconds is enough to reset the PMU. |
| 00:06.10 | hipitihop | only just got here myself :-) |
| 00:08.01 | mmontour | Try removing+replacing the battery and then plugging the USB cable into a PC (not the wall charger). Let it sit like that for maybe 15 minutes then press the power button. No guarantee that it'll work, but it will give you something to do while you're searching for a Nokia battery :) |
| 00:08.18 | hipitihop | rwhitby, I wanted to check with you about PyOpenGL has anyone built/packaged this and if not if instructions here: http://pyopengl.sourceforge.net/documentation/installation.html are sufficient |
| 00:08.42 | KenYoung | sontek, DOn't take the battery out, re-insert and try to boot immediately. Try taking the battery out, leave it out, and then charge for several hours before trying to boot. |
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| 00:10.01 | l0gout | No phone status in the topic anymore? |
| 00:10.24 | l0gout | Is it useable by developers yet? |
| 00:10.52 | KenYoung | l0gout, Usable for what? |
| 00:11.17 | l0gout | As a daily phone, or even stable to develop an application on, either one. |
| 00:11.57 | rwhitby | l0gout: the short answer is no |
| 00:12.01 | KenYoung | l0gout, It's fine to develop on, IMHO, but as a daily phone it is still not quite fully reliable. |
| 00:12.16 | l0gout | Ok. |
| 00:12.19 | rwhitby | *some* people can get it to be stable. it seems a large number of people can't for various reasons. |
| 00:13.04 | l0gout | I liked it somewhat with debian on it, I haven't tried the updated om.2008.8 yet. |
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| 00:14.22 | sontek | I've been using the openmoko as my only phone for the past 2 months and its been working well |
| 00:14.34 | sontek | but now it doesn't even power on... so I'd suggest keeping a spare around :P |
| 00:14.35 | kW | How do I activate the Illume keyboard? |
| 00:15.06 | KenYoung | sontek, What stack do you use? 2007.2, 2008.8?, FSO? |
| 00:15.08 | l0gout | sontek, Yeah, debian did not realize it shouldn't drain my battery completely, and killed mine for a while also. |
| 00:15.51 | rwhitby | the simple fact is that none of the distros have the feature set of the most basic off-the self throwaway closed phone yet. |
| 00:15.57 | sontek | KenYoung: I use 2007.2, the interface isn't that great, but everything works well in it |
| 00:16.05 | rwhitby | s/self/shelf/ |
| 00:16.40 | rwhitby | for some reason, everyone seems to be focusing on cool new features, instead of basic stability and basic features. |
| 00:16.57 | rwhitby | and it's harming openmoko irrevocably in my opinion |
| 00:16.58 | sontek | Yeah, I would've been happy with a mix of 2007.2 and FSO... The keyboard/text messaging of FSO is just fine for me (2007.2's keyboard is useless) and 2007.2's PIM suite and launcher/main screen are great |
| 00:17.09 | l0gout | I really like the idea of using debian, so at least the base distro is stable. |
| 00:17.24 | rwhitby | l0gout: the stability problems are way below the distro level |
| 00:17.31 | hipitihop | although to be fair I think the fso crew seem to want to get the foundations right first |
| 00:17.33 | l0gout | And having the om stuff an apt-package. |
| 00:17.39 | l0gout | As fso is on debian. |
| 00:17.49 | rwhitby | hipitihop: that's true, that's why I use fso |
| 00:18.10 | Mononoke | kW: http://n2.nabble.com/illume-config-illume-on-2008.8-updates-td795652.html |
| 00:18.17 | l0gout | I don't see why there needs to be a new distro invented for the phone, a modified debian or something seems like a good idea after using that for a bit. |
| 00:19.02 | l0gout | rwhitby: Are they hardware problems then? |
| 00:19.43 | l0gout | rwhitby: Is there anything online written about this, I can just read it instead of questioning you guys :P |
| 00:22.01 | rwhitby | l0gout: no, nothing online. |
| 00:22.11 | rwhitby | l0gout: some people report hardware problems. others don't. |
| 00:22.12 | kW | Mononoke: thank you :-) |
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| 00:30.52 | hipitihop | rwhitby, did you see the PyOpenGL question or am I being rude and aksing the wrong person |
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| 00:31.25 | rwhitby | hipitihop: was just testing to see if it built. |
| 00:31.32 | rwhitby | ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'python-pyopengl' |
| 00:32.24 | rwhitby | hipitihop: looks like no-one has packaged it |
| 00:35.14 | hipitihop | rwhitby, not that I have any idea of what is involved but I will put it on my list learn and see how I go. |
| 00:35.51 | hipitihop | time to get some work done |
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| 00:55.01 | johnsu01 | does anyone have a gsmheadset.state file that they are happy with for calls? I've tried various settings, including some from the lists, and I'm floundering here |
| 00:55.11 | johnsu01 | err, handset |
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| 02:19.00 | FreenoseJew | stupid niggggger obama if elected nigggs will start killing whites in larger numbers just like after south africa elected their first nnnniiiiigggger! Barack Hussein Obama Bin Laden won't last 2 months in office! |
| 02:20.17 | CVirus | ROFL |
| 02:20.54 | mmaestri | sometimes people can be stupid |
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| 02:28.20 | Melchiorre | ^^ and that person probably votes... |
| 02:29.24 | dougt | irc.mozilla.org was spammed by the same guy. |
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| 02:29.47 | raster | i can't believe such idiots still live |
| 02:29.56 | raster | i mean didnt he forget to breath due to his stupidity? |
| 02:30.18 | dougt | he is just baiting us. |
| 02:30.22 | dougt | don't take it seriously. |
| 02:30.44 | raster | he's stupid to think we woudl take the bait |
| 02:30.47 | raster | and if he were baiting |
| 02:30.50 | raster | he's tsay around for the fun |
| 02:30.53 | raster | stay |
| 02:30.57 | raster | i dont take it seriously |
| 02:31.10 | CVirus | haha |
| 02:31.18 | raster | i just am amazed the 2 braincells he posesses can be rubbed together to make fire at all |
| 02:31.19 | raster | :) |
| 02:31.31 | dougt | the funny part is that the secret service may pay him a visit. |
| 02:31.41 | dougt | that sounds like a death threat to me. |
| 02:31.59 | Melchiorre | hahaha |
| 02:37.29 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rfd84e31b3285 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [om-locations] Set om-locations to use 0.2 branch of om-locations git. |
| 02:39.59 | raster | taunts the secret service |
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| 02:58.51 | pabs3 | zhone shows some of the messages on my sim card as strings of hex digits, anyone have any ideas about why? |
| 03:00.23 | raster | missing a font? |
| 03:00.39 | AntonTakk | pabs3: missing sms pdu mode |
| 03:00.50 | AntonTakk | pabs3: it is being worked on |
| 03:01.18 | AntonTakk | pabs3: only plain sms (non mms) like 160 chars or less will display properly |
| 03:01.48 | pabs3 | AntonTakk: ah, is that an FSO thing, or a zhone ui thing? |
| 03:01.57 | AntonTakk | fso thing |
| 03:02.16 | pabs3 | is there a bug I can subscribe to? |
| 03:02.52 | AntonTakk | pabs3: yeah, one of the open milestone 3 bugs on trac.freesmartphone.org/roadmap |
| 03:03.20 | pabs3 | thanks |
| 03:03.24 | AntonTakk | np |
| 03:03.54 | AntonTakk | moving development of my contacts mgr to the fr, easier to make sure it looks decent that way |
| 03:04.48 | AntonTakk | partly ripped the zhone contacts theme, thou i'd like a kinetic scrolled list rather than multiple static pages |
| 03:05.46 | ShellEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.27 | AntonTakk | heh |
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| 03:20.20 | pabs3 | AntonTakk: hmm, something seems to be wrong with the trac, taking ages to load |
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| 03:56.53 | slaxxin | what is the path to pictures in qtopia raster? |
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| 03:57.07 | raster | beats me |
| 03:57.09 | raster | you said qtopia |
| 03:57.10 | raster | :) |
| 03:57.25 | slaxxin | oo u do fso |
| 03:57.48 | raster | well i have an fso build tree for myself |
| 03:57.56 | raster | right now.. busy with super-simple widget set |
| 03:58.55 | slaxxin | are u still going to buils your own distro for the freerunner? |
| 03:58.58 | charlie137 | raster: what is this super-simple widget set ? |
| 03:59.21 | slaxxin | tools man tools |
| 03:59.25 | charlie137 | is looking for a super simple widget set using evas |
| 04:00.30 | raster | charlie137: something my client has asked me to make to help their visual-c/vb coders be able to make simple apps for linux based phones |
| 04:00.31 | raster | :) |
| 04:00.38 | raster | etk is a "full widget set" |
| 04:00.41 | raster | as is ewl |
| 04:00.47 | raster | they have more power |
| 04:00.50 | raster | but more work as a result |
| 04:01.00 | raster | so i'm going to produce a dumbed down layer that has very few options |
| 04:01.04 | raster | like layout etc. |
| 04:01.09 | raster | u get what u are given |
| 04:01.14 | raster | but it takes most of the work away |
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| 04:01.24 | charlie137 | visual-c/vb + linux bases phone ? |
| 04:01.29 | raster | no |
| 04:01.31 | raster | linux |
| 04:01.53 | raster | they are trying to get their entry-levela nd mid level "i am used to doing stuff with visual basic.. i want something really simple to put up a gui" programmers |
| 04:02.02 | raster | to be able to do stuff quickyl and easily |
| 04:02.34 | DukeOfURL | using latest svn, 'django-admin.py startapp tk' doesn't put manage.py in ./tk |
| 04:03.16 | DukeOfURL | ignore that |
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| 04:10.32 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 04:10.52 | AntonTakk | window frame with an empty black background :-\ |
| 04:11.55 | raster | yay! black! |
| 04:12.20 | AntonTakk | not really, supposed to have three buttons and several empty list items |
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| 04:12.49 | raster | you do |
| 04:12.54 | raster | they are alll.. BLACK! |
| 04:12.55 | raster | :) |
| 04:13.50 | SpeedEvil | different shades of black? |
| 04:13.59 | AntonTakk | nope |
| 04:14.02 | raster | it thinks you are goth |
| 04:14.10 | raster | and is deciding to make it all black to please you |
| 04:14.10 | raster | :) |
| 04:14.11 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 04:15.03 | AntonTakk | don't understand thou, it's just a simple modification to the zhone theme file |
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| 04:25.32 | AntonTakk | hrm, going back to a very simple edj file works, but using parts of zhone's edj file does not :( |
| 04:27.44 | pabs3 | anyone know how to initiate suspend with qtopia? |
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| 04:35.10 | slaxxin | ya |
| 04:35.47 | slaxxin | hit thw Q box |
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| 04:36.17 | slaxxin | u mean command line i take it |
| 04:36.49 | slaxxin | installing 4.3.3 qtopia |
| 04:40.27 | pabs3 | no, I mean the UI, or the power buttons, can't figure out how |
| 04:40.29 | slaxxin | apm right? |
| 04:40.35 | slaxxin | ok |
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| 04:40.58 | slaxxin | the second from left button |
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| 04:41.42 | slaxxin | then lower left button(has wrenches) |
| 04:41.57 | slaxxin | then power managment |
| 04:42.14 | slaxxin | its then at the bottom |
| 04:42.21 | pabs3 | yeah, I know about that, what if I want to suspend right now |
| 04:42.22 | slaxxin | i think |
| 04:42.30 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.45 | slaxxin | apm? |
| 04:43.39 | slaxxin | http://qtopia.net/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=417&forum=13 |
| 04:43.43 | pabs3 | sure, typing apm in the terminal isn't a useful way to suspend tho |
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| 04:45.01 | slaxxin | idk |
| 04:46.37 | slaxxin | i just started useing qtopia an as soon as i checkout the 4.3.3 i may put 2008.9 back on because theres mor working stuff |
| 04:46.53 | AntonTakk | how was 2008.9? |
| 04:47.18 | slaxxin | gps worked |
| 04:47.39 | slaxxin | battery still got sucked dry |
| 04:47.49 | cjb | what's 2008.9? |
| 04:48.05 | slaxxin | updated version of 2008.8 |
| 04:48.08 | AntonTakk | what about calls/txt/etc? |
| 04:48.29 | slaxxin | didnt text anyone |
| 04:48.42 | AntonTakk | have to admit i'm not a fan of 2008.x's ui thou |
| 04:48.47 | slaxxin | i think it was pretty good |
| 04:49.01 | AntonTakk | slaxxin: any speed improvements? |
| 04:49.01 | cjb | slaxxin: oh, cool. is it usable yet? |
| 04:49.02 | slaxxin | not pretty |
| 04:49.14 | cjb | last time it hung the UI spidering my SD card OSM maps |
| 04:49.21 | cjb | I hope they fixed that bug |
| 04:49.45 | slaxxin | well it wasnt great but wifi was working for me |
| 04:50.08 | AntonTakk | slaxxin: i was talking more app execution/response time |
| 04:50.54 | pabs3 | qtopia seems faster than X11 based distros |
| 04:51.33 | AntonTakk | well, 2008.x is decidedly slower cause of the qt aps under x |
| 04:51.58 | AntonTakk | if done right, the x apps could be every bit as fast |
| 04:52.10 | AntonTakk | may also be partially a glammo issue |
| 04:52.10 | pabs3 | even 2007.x was slower than qtopia/framebuffer |
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| 04:52.57 | slaxxin | qtopia 4.3.3 just borked |
| 04:54.25 | ljp | what did you do to it? kick it? |
| 04:54.29 | ljp | :) |
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| 04:55.28 | ljp | qtopia does seem faster than the x stuff |
| 04:55.58 | slaxxin | operator malfunction |
| 04:56.35 | AntonTakk | pabs3: zhone in fso is pretty fast, less than one second to bring up the contacts, and it's python (eww!) ;) |
| 04:57.19 | pabs3 | AntonTakk: I mean the touchscreen responsiveness mainly |
| 04:57.42 | AntonTakk | pabs3: er, explain that? |
| 04:58.01 | ljp | can zhone read sim contacts? |
| 04:58.11 | cjb | ljp: yes |
| 04:58.24 | cjb | ljp: I reflash pretty regularly, and it keeps my contacts and SMSen |
| 04:58.26 | AntonTakk | pabs3: - just did that test - less than 1 second from touching the icon, to the contact ui being visible |
| 04:59.55 | pabs3 | can't explain it really, just "feels faster" |
| 05:00.30 | AntonTakk | tried fso yet? |
| 05:00.41 | slaxxin | i floped a .tgz file into dfu an it said it worked with no errors present |
| 05:01.01 | pabs3 | AntonTakk: yep, with debian |
| 05:01.04 | AntonTakk | slaxxin: yeah, all it does is write the file to the device |
| 05:01.05 | slaxxin | went through the install perfectly |
| 05:01.19 | AntonTakk | pabs3: no, not fso apps on debian, just plain old fso |
| 05:01.45 | slaxxin | have u got the filesize for debian down low yet? |
| 05:01.52 | fragged | Is openmoko considered stable? I only ask because its not in /topic |
| 05:02.03 | pabs3 | AntonTakk: nope, didn't know there was an image |
| 05:02.06 | AntonTakk | running a desktop distro on a phone is going to have negative impacts on speed |
| 05:02.19 | slaxxin | they have a stable branch now |
| 05:02.42 | AntonTakk | pabs3: yeah, link to fso details from the main page of the wiki |
| 05:02.42 | pabs3 | how is it a desktop distro? debian is mostly a server distro |
| 05:02.44 | fragged | slaxxin, oh, so are GSM and GPS stable? Thats all I need for now in a phone |
| 05:02.47 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:02.58 | AntonTakk | pabs3: even so, still heavy for a phone |
| 05:03.17 | pabs3 | I don't see why if it is just the same software running |
| 05:03.19 | pabs3 | anyway |
| 05:03.24 | slaxxin | it worked as foe stable its still a work in progress |
| 05:04.22 | slaxxin | need to find someone to do a slackware port |
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| 05:05.01 | fragged | pabs3, ever run debian on a midrange pentium 3? its the same specs without taking into consideration FR/Neo have ARM CPU's which afaik are alot more cut down than x86 - so the same speed in MHz might not translate into the same power |
| 05:05.13 | slaxxin | give patrick something different to do |
| 05:05.34 | slaxxin | send him a phone |
| 05:06.04 | slaxxin | dave send patrick a phone |
| 05:06.30 | slaxxin | i was using them |
| 05:08.02 | AntonTakk | anyways, not using my fr as a daily phone atm, since the only options for a decent feature set and working phone seem to be 2008.x and qtopia |
| 05:08.43 | slaxxin | so wheres the additional software for qtopia located? |
| 05:09.00 | pabs3 | whats the deal with the ".jffs2.summary" file extension for the FSO image? |
| 05:09.01 | slaxxin | booting 4.3.3 |
| 05:09.04 | SpeedEvil | fragged: it's really not |
| 05:09.12 | AntonTakk | pabs3: it got mis-named |
| 05:09.12 | SpeedEvil | fragged: it's more akin to a PII/233 |
| 05:09.25 | SpeedEvil | (the FR) with an ISA graphics card. |
| 05:09.52 | AntonTakk | isa...you sure you aren't being overly generous? |
| 05:09.53 | SpeedEvil | It has a very small cache, no MMX, no FPU, no multiple execution units |
| 05:09.53 | slaxxin | isa covered its own ass |
| 05:10.34 | AntonTakk | SpeedEvil: i was thinking more like an i386 with a p2/233 mod ;) |
| 05:10.43 | AntonTakk | as far as gfx, anyways |
| 05:10.58 | AntonTakk | anyways, night all |
| 05:11.09 | raster | a bit worse |
| 05:11.22 | raster | gfx is probably worse than vesa local bus |
| 05:11.24 | fragged | SpeedEvil, so whats the deal with the FR software, does it run alright for an everyday phone / gps unit? |
| 05:11.25 | raster | maybe close to isa |
| 05:11.43 | raster | with a more complicated gfx card on the other side of the isa bus |
| 05:11.44 | raster | but yes |
| 05:11.46 | SpeedEvil | The raw bandwidth is close to 16 bit ISA |
| 05:12.01 | raster | cpu/memory wise about a p2-233/266/300 |
| 05:12.02 | SpeedEvil | But the acceleration is much better than most 16 bit ISA cards. |
| 05:12.03 | raster | depending |
| 05:12.18 | raster | sped thats what i said :) |
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| 05:12.47 | SpeedEvil | Sorry, I'm partially awake. |
| 05:12.59 | SpeedEvil | I can type in my sleep. |
| 05:13.04 | SpeedEvil | Reading stuff is harder. |
| 05:13.54 | raster | i just said its more complex |
| 05:13.57 | raster | ie - does more |
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| 05:15.33 | SpeedEvil | fragged: not really yet, no. |
| 05:15.37 | slaxxin | wow handwriting recog on qtopia 4.3.3 |
| 05:15.45 | fragged | SpeedEvil, keyword being 'yet'? |
| 05:16.03 | SpeedEvil | fragged: there are some images that will work for some aspects of being a phone, for undemanding users. |
| 05:16.21 | fragged | ah, I meant speed-wise :P |
| 05:16.40 | SpeedEvil | fragged: but there isn't really any of FSO/ASU/2007/2008/... that you can point to as adequate. |
| 05:17.02 | SpeedEvil | fragged: but there isn't really any of FSO/ASU/2007/2008/... that you can point to as adequate and reliable as in all builds work. |
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| 05:20.35 | pabs3 | tries FSO |
| 05:22.08 | slaxxin | the volume setting on 4.3.3 is way too low |
| 05:23.46 | CM | pabs3: It's nice :) |
| 05:24.12 | pabs3 | wishes dfu-util was faster |
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| 05:30.18 | zash | pabs3: s/dfu-util/usb/ |
| 05:39.01 | pabs3 | hmm, FSO seems faster than ASU |
| 05:39.07 | pabs3 | wonders why |
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| 05:40.38 | KenYoung | pabs3, Maybe FSO doesn't have processes that go CPU bound for extended periods doing no useful work, like 2008.8 does. |
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| 06:00.52 | timo2k | getting this while trying to connect over ssh: NETDEV WATCHDOG: usb0: transmit timed out |
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| 06:01.02 | timo2k | somebody know how to solve? |
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| 06:18.27 | timo2k | fixed it by running in terminal on FR: ifup usb0 |
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| 06:26.49 | hipitihop_away | interesting, just took a call on my FR 2006.8-updated and even though it is finished, 'top' shows pulsaudio process taking 10-11% CPU |
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| 06:38.51 | harnir | hello |
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| 06:42.56 | mickey|ICE694 | ~praise GPRS on FreeRunner |
| 06:42.57 | apt | All hail GPRS on FreeRunner! |
| 06:42.57 | mickey|ICE694 | morning, btw. |
| 06:44.46 | mickey|ICE694 | dwmw2: hey. if you were to recommend a flash filesystem these days -- which one would it be? |
| 06:45.26 | dwmw2 | what size flash? |
| 06:45.53 | dwmw2 | we're still using jffs2 on OLPC, with 1GiB of NAND flash. It's a lot better than it used to be, although we're definitely pushing its limits |
| 06:45.55 | mickey|ICE694 | 256 for sure, perhaps 512 |
| 06:46.05 | mickey|ICE694 | oh really? interesting. |
| 06:46.13 | dwmw2 | with summaries, and with the improvements I've put in recently, it's OK. |
| 06:46.19 | mickey|ICE694 | what's the state of ubi from your perspective? |
| 06:46.45 | dwmw2 | looks promising. You would certainly do well to investigate ubifs |
| 06:46.52 | dwmw2 | I want to make btrfs work on raw flash too. |
| 06:47.02 | dwmw2 | the design lends itself quite well to that. |
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| 06:49.12 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1955: pppd persist and holdoff does not work ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1955 ) |
| 06:49.57 | mickey|ICE694 | ok, sounds good. Still pondering whether it's worth it on Freerunner (256MB). Would like to speed it up a bit by using an uncompressed NAND fs |
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| 07:03.01 | mickey|ICE694 | sorry, got disconnected. gprs on this track is very weak |
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| 07:12.02 | opendeep | Hi |
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| 07:17.27 | anno^da_ | waits for TabMixPlus/NoScript and Adblock for Chrome. :) |
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| 07:26.04 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r08cf9b513508 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] Bump up the revision of Om-locations |
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| 08:02.17 | ieatlint | turns out OOP is just poo in reverse |
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| 08:04.55 | fragged | Man did you get that off bash.org or am I about to put it there? |
| 08:06.00 | fragged | :'( Bash is down |
| 08:06.05 | diget | bunny/c |
| 08:06.12 | AVee | bash.org error: Duplicate entry. |
| 08:06.20 | diget | ups ;) - sorry |
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| 08:09.02 | ieatlint | uhm, i didn't get it off bash.org, but it could be there already :P |
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| 08:13.23 | Dave | lint! :P |
| 08:16.12 | ieatlint | hey dave |
| 08:16.36 | Dave | Howdy :D |
| 08:19.23 | Rupert_ | Hello All My FR has stopped recognising my SIM card or connecting to a network. Wanted to use AT commands to have a look at it but I'm on 2008.08 and that don't use gsmd does it? Funny thing is that when I power up without the sim card in it still has a list of contacts from the sim that's not in any more |
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| 08:34.09 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:34.21 | Dave | Greetings |
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| 08:38.58 | sylar91 | hi |
| 08:39.26 | sylar91 | somebody knows when it will be released the 2008.9? (sorry for my bad english) |
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| 08:44.48 | Shlee | 2008.8 should be updated over time... 2008.9 is planned for the future. |
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| 08:47.41 | kW | Hello, how do I enable the illume keyboard? |
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| 08:50.36 | hipitihop | Dave, have you done anything with PyGames ? and more specifically PyOpenGL, seems nobody seems to have packaged it, do you thing it would on the FR ? |
| 08:50.59 | hipitihop | ^ work |
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| 08:54.33 | hipitihop | ieatlint, is that you poo'ing oop ? |
| 08:56.53 | ieatlint | no, i've been pooing some sort of structed c |
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| 09:03.59 | CM_work | hipitihop: I don't think you'll get gl working on the Neo |
| 09:04.21 | CM_work | hipitihop: But I think someone said PySDL works.. |
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| 09:07.02 | marcel_m | hipitihop: is the one here not working http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/ ? |
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| 09:12.14 | CM_work | Heh, top 10 open source companies to watch: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/090208-open-to-watch.html?page=5 |
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| 09:14.56 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4620 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/phone-kit/dialer-main.c: |
| 09:14.57 | CIA-22 | openmoko: #1834: openmoko-dialer2 crashes when no dbus connection could be set |
| 09:14.57 | CIA-22 | openmoko: patch created by LeRoutier |
| 09:14.57 | CIA-22 | openmoko: commited by John Lee <john_lee@openmoko.com> |
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| 09:20.43 | Gnutoo | hello, is there something like xboard for oe or openmoko because there is Phalanx in oe... |
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| 09:31.05 | SpeedEvil | xboard? |
| 09:32.49 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 09:33.26 | bumbl | raster: how easy would it be to remove the dictionary button in terminal view to get more space which could be used by slightly bigger keys |
| 09:34.45 | SpeedEvil | xboard should 'just' work I think - the menus may not work so well. |
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| 09:40.03 | Gnutoo | SpeedEvil, but i didn't find xboard in oe...so mabe i will have to create a bb file no? |
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| 09:43.04 | mac2k | is it bossible to brows the oe repository online? |
| 09:43.20 | mac2k | possible |
| 09:46.04 | SpeedEvil | gnu{-: I think so, yes. |
| 09:46.31 | SpeedEvil | Gnutoo: the board looks quite possible to use with fingers - the menus might not work so well unfortunately. |
| 09:46.53 | Gnutoo | SpeedEvil, ok thanks a lot... |
| 09:48.09 | hipitihop | marcel_m, not familiar with that feed, will have a look, back later after dinner |
| 09:51.29 | Gnutoo | bye... |
| 09:52.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r5eb58fb8930b 10/packages/dropbear/ (dropbear.inc dropbear/openmoko/default dropbear_0.51.bb): dropbear: improve dropbear security by listening only on usb0 by default |
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| 09:54.34 | shaz | hi guys |
| 09:55.00 | shaz | anybody has idea how i can set my newly bought :) openmoko for native buids |
| 09:55.44 | shaz | I had soooooo many problems with mokomakefile that I had to wait for my moko to do some real work |
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| 09:58.18 | SpeedEvil | native builds? |
| 09:58.32 | SpeedEvil | You mean compiling on the FR? |
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| 10:02.30 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r89f835b0bba6 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (2 files in 2 dirs): xserver-kdrive-common: stop Xserver from listening for TCP by default |
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| 10:35.08 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rc51a82d10098 10/packages/openmoko2/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-sound-system2: make pulseaudio stops listening for TCP by default |
| 10:35.20 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf07541211602 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get a version that sends the noise reduction command |
| 10:35.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rca7d3167eba8 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): movw illume to upstream svn version. now use "asu" profile - illume-theme |
| 10:35.22 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * re5b85d6490aa 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): update efl and e to latest - fix segv on startup, gsm now doesnt use gsmget |
| 10:35.22 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r15970a09ca36 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and update to fix slight focus problems with e/illume. working now (tested). |
| 10:35.25 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rbeb9039f229e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: move to version with less debugging |
| 10:35.28 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r655da0a957e0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume srcrev |
| 10:35.31 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r62474f1729ac 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: fix e revert focus bug reported in #1858 |
| 10:35.36 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r52963e5f5361 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade linux-openmoko to get some accelerometers changes |
| 10:35.39 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r3dca64284322 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the kernel to get the sensor fixes from Andrzej and Andy |
| 10:35.42 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8800fb9c5205 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and push srcrev for asu update. battery theme changes, illume internal fixes |
| 10:35.47 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r639fe5463162 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to hopefully fix the cross build |
| 10:35.50 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r72548bfbe296 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Upgrade gdb to 6.8 because of #1890 |
| 10:35.53 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r7b35ce58acc9 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Change name from Diversity-nav to Om-locations |
| 10:35.58 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4d2581921b7f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin as of tick's request |
| 10:36.10 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rfc638b901994 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.testing' into org.openmoko.asu.stable |
| 10:38.34 | shaz | can we compile inside FreeRunner with make utils |
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| 10:38.53 | ebbe | Hi, on om2008.8, how can I get the Illume keyboard back, instead of Qtopias? |
| 10:39.15 | shaz | SpeedEvil: Its seems you've been through it |
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| 10:44.57 | lindi- | shaz: i just apt-get --build source foo |
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| 10:50.02 | kW | hello, does anybody here knows what the use of the openmoko audio "bypass" is? because when deactivating, the voice becomes very clear, not too loud and without any echos |
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| 11:15.00 | Rakshasa | kW: Almost true. Just called my brother and he said there was an echo, but it was near silent.(Might be that mono bypass was still somewhere around 20% which might explain the silent echo.) |
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| 11:27.37 | Zoup | mediaplayer2 audio quality is Crap while mplayer is much better, any idea ? |
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| 11:29.04 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1956: Mediaplayer2 audio quality ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1956 ) |
| 11:32.23 | marcel_m | ~seen josch |
| 11:32.24 | apt | josch <n=josch@host140.natpool.mwn.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 26d 10h 37m 20s ago, saying: 'so any ideas? :D'. |
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| 11:43.17 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r910b19406847 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [task-openmoko-asu] Bump PR after we have made some changes to the content |
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| 11:46.20 | baba_melone | Hi, Im using Om2008.8 with my recently unpacked Neo Freerunner, but I cannot connect to any wireless network |
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| 11:46.39 | baba_melone | Besides there is no terminal available to use iwconfig etc. to connect |
| 11:46.47 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rdfa1c3d3a791 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [task-openmoko-asu] Bump PR after we have made some changes to the content |
| 11:47.26 | Zoup | baba_melone: use USB networking |
| 11:48.08 | baba_melone | zoup: How do I change the usb address? |
| 11:48.30 | Zoup | baba_melone: by default its 192.168.0.202 , you can change it under /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:48.42 | baba_melone | yeah, but I have no terminal |
| 11:49.01 | baba_melone | and besides my laptop internet if has ip 192.168.0.x |
| 11:49.08 | Zoup | baba_melone: connect openmoko to your machine , #ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 on your machine then ssh to 192.168.0.202 :) |
| 11:49.18 | baba_melone | so I cant ssh my device without leving the internet :( |
| 11:49.22 | Zoup | baba_melone: turn that off while you arre doing it |
| 11:49.31 | baba_melone | but... |
| 11:49.33 | baba_melone | indalolz |
| 11:49.37 | baba_melone | dont wanna miss |
| 11:49.43 | baba_melone | not for a second... |
| 11:49.44 | baba_melone | k |
| 11:50.53 | rwhitby | use a smaller netmask for the usb0 interface, and it will have a priority route compared to your internet if |
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| 11:51.18 | marcel_m | baba_melone: or route add -host 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200 |
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| 11:51.37 | rwhitby | yeah, that'll work too - a netmask of 255.255.255.255 effectively |
| 11:51.42 | Dave | ieatlint likes poo :p |
| 11:51.45 | Dave | hey, hippityhop :) |
| 11:52.03 | Dave | What's new, Rod? |
| 11:52.05 | marcel_m | rwhitby: yes |
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| 11:52.27 | Dave | bumble :) |
| 11:52.34 | jaj | Hi, I'm wondering, is it normal that I don't have gsmd under 2008.8 |
| 11:53.22 | jaj | ok, it is, sorry |
| 11:53.25 | Dave | uggh, bugs |
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| 11:54.33 | Dave | Shit, I really ought to be posting these kernel module issues to the ml :p |
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| 12:02.27 | Zoup | what do you use to play mp3 on FR ? |
| 12:03.19 | Dave | mplayer |
| 12:03.29 | Dave | mediaplayer is kind of, incomplete :p |
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| 12:04.28 | Zoup | Dave: well , under om2007 ? |
| 12:04.40 | Zoup | Dave: i mean , with om2007 keyboard its almost impossible to use mplayer |
| 12:04.53 | Zoup | Dave: unless you know some GUI frontend |
| 12:05.13 | Dave | heh |
| 12:05.18 | Dave | sure it's possible |
| 12:05.36 | Tm_T | matchbox keyb |
| 12:05.36 | Dave | I just wrote simple bash scripts to use mplayer, since it's quicker than typing all that shit in every time in that tiny console :) |
| 12:05.47 | Tm_T | Dave: that too (:) |
| 12:05.54 | Dave | I'm unsure if there's some simple frontend yet |
| 12:05.59 | Dave | but you could certainly write one ;) |
| 12:06.11 | Tm_T | mp3blaster is fun to use |
| 12:06.20 | Zoup | Dave: good idea :) |
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| 12:08.13 | Dave | indeed |
| 12:08.27 | Dave | I mean, pygtk makes it easy! |
| 12:08.33 | Dave | That reminds me... |
| 12:08.42 | Dave | slaps ieatlint around a bit with simple gui |
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| 12:11.20 | Open_Gl | how enable settings button on top menu ? |
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| 12:31.39 | jaj | Open_Gl: you mean the wrench? |
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| 12:33.20 | Open_Gl | yes |
| 12:33.30 | RedFlash | hi what bug is it when you cant call out on om2008 and a star is shown on the signal bar, but incoming calls work fine.. |
| 12:34.24 | RedFlash | I rember the bug was discussed here, but cant find it in docs.opnemoko.org |
| 12:34.30 | jaj | Open_Gl: installe illume-config |
| 12:34.40 | Open_Gl | ok, i try... |
| 12:36.38 | Open_Gl | one more question, why after suspend when i get sms or recieve call - no sound ? |
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| 12:40.41 | rwhitby | Open_Gl: cause suspend/resume doesn't work properly |
| 12:40.54 | RedFlash | Open_Gl: you have to add pactl suspend-sink 1 |
| 12:41.03 | RedFlash | wen freerunner suspends |
| 12:41.08 | RedFlash | and pactl suspend-sink 1 |
| 12:41.17 | jaj | hmm it works for |
| 12:41.25 | RedFlash | and pactl suspend-sink 0 when it resumes |
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| 12:42.48 | RedFlash | files in /etc/apm/suspend.d/ and /etc/apm/resume.d/ are executed on suspend/resume |
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| 12:53.07 | Open_Gl | RedFlash: i need create there files and add this lines ? 0_o |
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| 12:57.10 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r25b0c76d4ac6 10/packages/xorg-app/ (xterm/xterm.desktop xterm/xterm.png xterm_207.bb): xterm: add desktop and png icon |
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| 12:58.50 | md2k7 | wireless network: -180 dBm signal and -96 dBm noise levels are bad, aren't they? |
| 12:58.53 | RedFlash | Open_GL: create a File with: |
| 12:58.58 | RedFlash | #!/bin/bash |
| 12:58.59 | RedFlash | pactl suspend-sink 1 |
| 12:59.12 | RedFlash | for suspend.d |
| 12:59.22 | md2k7 | i'm getting a connection but i can't ping the FR or the AP from the FR |
| 12:59.27 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4c509ab27a92 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/ (parser.py trigger.py): oeventsd: remove circular reference to fix importing |
| 12:59.33 | RedFlash | and the same for resume.d but pactl suspend-sink 0 |
| 13:00.20 | Open_Gl | thanks |
| 13:03.18 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r0f36027f073e 10/packages/tzdata/tzdata_2007k.bb: tzdata: add localtime in conffiles |
| 13:05.43 | md2k7 | and why is it that ifup'ing wireless (eth0) only works once after booting? |
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| 13:06.06 | jaj | bug in the driver |
| 13:06.12 | md2k7 | wonderful |
| 13:06.17 | md2k7 | no workaround? |
| 13:06.19 | jaj | mentioned in the wiki |
| 13:06.22 | md2k7 | (except rebooting...) |
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| 13:08.46 | md2k7 | well i remember having read it somewhere too, but can't figure out where |
| 13:09.25 | jaj | I think it's under known issues on the 2008.8 page |
| 13:10.14 | md2k7 | thx |
| 13:12.44 | jaj | I think the wifi driver is statically compiled into the kernel, not loaded as a module. otherwise unloading the module and reloading it might work |
| 13:13.08 | md2k7 | it certainly sucks though because wifi is one of the main interfaces i would like to use |
| 13:13.40 | md2k7 | i will try the "workaround" in #1392 which suggests turning essid off with iwconfig |
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| 13:18.29 | md2k7 | does not seem to help me :/ |
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| 13:19.08 | md2k7 | the interesting thing is that iwconfig tells me "Encryption key: off", even when i get a DHCP lease |
| 13:19.19 | md2k7 | and i have WPA-PSK |
| 13:20.09 | phrozen77 | i really wonder what OM's quality control standarts are.. as it is the FR is barely usable as a phone (even that has its drawbacks - echoes, RF interference) let alone the "extended" functions |
| 13:20.32 | md2k7 | i wonder too^^ |
| 13:20.51 | md2k7 | it is obviously intended as a hw platform for oss developers |
| 13:20.52 | phrozen77 | after having the phone for 2 weeks now i really am about to ditch it in favour of an iphone |
| 13:20.58 | phrozen77 | there, i said |
| 13:21.01 | phrozen77 | now jump on me |
| 13:21.12 | md2k7 | jumps on phrozen77 |
| 13:21.15 | phrozen77 | s/there, i said/there, i said it/ |
| 13:21.17 | bumbl | slaps phrozen77 with a freerunner |
| 13:21.20 | IXian-Probe | phrozen77: I think your entitled to feel like that :) |
| 13:21.26 | phrozen77 | i certainly am |
| 13:21.29 | IXian-Probe | there.. I said it. |
| 13:21.36 | IXian-Probe | Now terminate me :P |
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| 13:22.12 | IXian-Probe | the SW of the freerunner is definitively not on level with iphone at the moment.. and it probably won't be for at least a year or so... _at least_! |
| 13:22.17 | IXian-Probe | imho caveat |
| 13:22.31 | phrozen77 | well, i for did not expect it to be on level |
| 13:22.49 | phrozen77 | but i expected to have the hardware that was put in to work |
| 13:22.50 | IXian-Probe | and the first revisions of v2 hardware has this annoying gps problem. |
| 13:23.09 | phrozen77 | i didnt even bother with gps too much atm |
| 13:23.14 | AntonTakk | IXian-Probe: that was fixed in software |
| 13:23.16 | phrozen77 | tried it like 5 times |
| 13:23.18 | IXian-Probe | phrozen77: mhm.. I sympatize, but I'm not that condeming. |
| 13:23.19 | phrozen77 | didnt work at least once |
| 13:23.24 | phrozen77 | -> eff it |
| 13:23.46 | md2k7 | btw: its very useful as a GPS receiver and a map viewer, altough it can't navigate |
| 13:23.50 | AntonTakk | phrozen77: using a kernel with the sd clock fix? |
| 13:24.01 | md2k7 | (i already have the capacitor soldered into place on sd socket) |
| 13:24.19 | phrozen77 | AntonTakk, whatever 2007.2 comes with and whatever it updates to when updated |
| 13:24.26 | AntonTakk | md2k7: i thought i saw a package that contained a routing engine |
| 13:24.28 | bumbl | md2k7: yeah we need a proper navigation software - navit seems too slow |
| 13:24.43 | phrozen77 | md2k7, since i just got it 2 weeks ago i suppose mine has that fix although i didnt bother to check yet |
| 13:25.15 | md2k7 | well even if it has a routing engine, you still need the correct maps with one-way streets entered correctly etc |
| 13:25.23 | phrozen77 | fwiw, i might put it on ebay tomorrow or so |
| 13:25.24 | md2k7 | openstreetmap isn't that far yet |
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| 13:26.15 | AntonTakk | phrozen77: try a recent (daily?) rootfs and kernel, i haven't had to wait longer than a couple minutes since the software fix became available |
| 13:26.20 | bumbl | md2k7: depends on your location |
| 13:27.19 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 13:27.25 | phrozen77 | that would imply flashing a new 2007.2 |
| 13:27.32 | phrozen77 | which currently isnt anywhere on the phone |
| 13:27.46 | AntonTakk | phrozen77: it doesn't have to be 2007.2 |
| 13:28.00 | phrozen77 | no way in hell i am going to install 2008.8 once more |
| 13:28.11 | AntonTakk | then fso |
| 13:28.16 | phrozen77 | OM should check their definition of UPGRADE |
| 13:28.21 | phrozen77 | even their definition of it is b0rked |
| 13:29.29 | AntonTakk | while i agree the 2008.x is far from an improvement in anything other than perhaps sim support, you shouldn't base your decisions on what works and doesn't on the use of a software stack that is not being maintained |
| 13:29.59 | phrozen77 | hm yeah |
| 13:30.05 | dns53 | i can't make a phone call on 2008.8 |
| 13:30.16 | phrozen77 | but really, i dont get anything out of it for knowing that the hardware MIGHT work |
| 13:30.21 | phrozen77 | if it had a usable sw stack |
| 13:30.26 | AntonTakk | dns53: i was able to with a 2008.8 daily a while back |
| 13:30.57 | dns53 | i used one of raster's builds, but when i added any other software it broke |
| 13:31.15 | AntonTakk | phrozen77: if you can live with minimal phone functionality (make/receive calls, use sim contacts) for a while, try fso ms2 |
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| 13:31.43 | phrozen77 | then i just could stay with qtopia |
| 13:31.46 | phrozen77 | which does that just fine |
| 13:31.58 | AntonTakk | phrozen77: the ui, even thou it is just a testing app is MUCH nicer than 2008.x, imho |
| 13:32.11 | md2k7 | AntonTakk: is GSM interference/audio quality any better in fso? |
| 13:32.15 | bumbl | AntonTakk: the design of 2008.x is better imho (illume vs. that horrible 2007.2 thing) |
| 13:32.37 | AntonTakk | bumbl: i like illume too, but 2008.x needs a today-style app |
| 13:32.42 | dns53 | i prefer the matchbox keyboard myself |
| 13:32.44 | bumbl | but the 2008.x version is crippeled |
| 13:32.52 | AntonTakk | md2k7: i have never had noticable gsm interferance |
| 13:33.29 | md2k7 | AntonTakk: well i didn't either before i tried setting the mic volume higher (-> ppl complaining about me being too silent) |
| 13:33.44 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 13:33.48 | phrozen77 | wait until the echo of doom strikes |
| 13:33.53 | md2k7 | :D |
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| 13:34.21 | AntonTakk | phrozen77: i have used the fr as my daily phone for weeks in the past with no echo and no gsm interfeerance |
| 13:34.28 | phrozen77 | lucky you |
| 13:34.46 | phrozen77 | anyways, i'm done ranting :) gotta take a shower now |
| 13:34.48 | md2k7 | AntonTakk: and useful volume? |
| 13:35.00 | bumbl | AntonTakk: what is the today app? |
| 13:35.01 | AntonTakk | md2k7: no one has ever complained |
| 13:35.19 | bumbl | the main screen of 2007.2? |
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| 13:35.35 | md2k7 | AntonTakk: which distribution? |
| 13:35.46 | md2k7 | btw how is whispering in IRC i'm quite a noob here |
| 13:35.49 | AntonTakk | bumbl: in 2007.2 the today app IS the ui, but the main thing i am talking about is an app that displays things like missed calls, upcoming calendar entries, etc |
| 13:35.54 | phrozen77 | md2k7, /msg nickname |
| 13:35.58 | phrozen77 | md2k7, /msg nickname message |
| 13:36.09 | dns53 | uses /me |
| 13:36.41 | bumbl | yeah om 2008.8 defenitly needs that but a new implementation om today sucks |
| 13:36.41 | phrozen77 | and how is using /me messaging someone? |
| 13:36.58 | md2k7 | lol |
| 13:37.02 | bumbl | sends a message to phrozen77: hi |
| 13:37.03 | dns53 | i'm emoting something on my mind |
| 13:37.17 | phrozen77 | oh hai bumbl - glad this is a private convo |
| 13:37.18 | phrozen77 | :D |
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| 13:37.24 | bumbl | ^^ |
| 13:37.27 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07framework * r83cb79e8e940 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (gpsdevice.py nmea.py ubx.py): (log message trimmed) |
| 13:37.27 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Fix various bugs (patch by Sascha Wessel) |
| 13:37.27 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: From: Sascha Wessel <wessel@nefkom.net> |
| 13:37.27 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: To: standards and reference implementations <smartphones-standards@linuxtogo.org> |
| 13:37.29 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Subject: Re: ogpsd questions |
| 13:37.31 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Hi, |
| 13:37.33 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: I started to fix some of the problems while keeping the gypsy api |
| 13:37.35 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r398f75f34886 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/nmea.py: ogpsd: Whitespace fixes in nmea.py |
| 13:37.38 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r2385ec8422bc 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: |
| 13:37.40 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: ubx.py: Only update time when we have valid UTC bit set. |
| 13:37.42 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Also explain in the comment some more about GPS time, leap seconds |
| 13:37.44 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: and what we could do to speed up first somewhat accurate UTC time signal. |
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| 13:37.59 | bumbl | privavy is dead, long live google |
| 13:38.03 | phrozen77 | lol |
| 13:38.10 | bumbl | s/privavy/privacy/ |
| 13:38.21 | md2k7 | :P |
| 13:38.29 | AntonTakk | md2k7: first really good one i used was a pre-release asu from 7/15 (iirc), qtopia is also reliable as a phone, but i refuse to use it |
| 13:38.38 | phrozen77 | everyone welcome our new chrome overlords! |
| 13:38.56 | dns53 | someone has it for the moko? |
| 13:39.00 | AntonTakk | md2k7: i have also used fso milestone2 as a daily phone, it has some of it's own anoyances, but works a majority of the time |
| 13:39.02 | phrozen77 | chrome?! |
| 13:39.12 | dns53 | google's webkit browser |
| 13:39.25 | phrozen77 | o rly? |
| 13:39.32 | dns53 | chromium.google.com |
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| 13:39.38 | AntonTakk | chrome is also a name of a component is mozilla apps :) |
| 13:39.40 | phrozen77 | fyi chrome is barely available for winblows |
| 13:39.48 | phrozen77 | how would it be that it be ported to OM? |
| 13:39.57 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r971424fc99c5 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/ (8 files): |
| 13:39.57 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: refactor subsystem: |
| 13:39.57 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: * separate generic actions and triggers from specific ones |
| 13:39.57 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: * remove unnecessary duplicated import statements |
| 13:39.57 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: (please be more careful on that) |
| 13:40.15 | opendeep | on my Neo 1973 "opkg list|grep python" or anything does not yield all packages in repositories but gives installed python package names. |
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| 13:40.17 | dns53 | it compiles for linux, perhaps debian will have it soon |
| 13:41.17 | bumbl | have you read the eula |
| 13:41.17 | md2k7 | so tell me when s1 will port firefox to 2008.8 :P |
| 13:41.19 | opendeep | I checked internet connection and add repository names in /etc/opkg/*.conf files |
| 13:41.25 | bumbl | noone wants that thing |
| 13:41.55 | AntonTakk | md2k7: also was easily able to get gprs going with the scripts on the fso wiki page |
| 13:42.19 | opendeep | Any idea where the problem lies? |
| 13:42.37 | dns53 | what eula? it's bsd + webkit is lgpl |
| 13:42.56 | Dave | hmm |
| 13:43.55 | bumbl | dns53: nah it has its own eula |
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| 13:44.36 | dns53 | bumbl it does but that is with the windows binary not the source code, the gpl and bsd licences are not eula's |
| 13:45.05 | bumbl | saying something like: google has the right to collect, sell,... all data you give to chrome |
| 13:45.09 | bumbl | dns53: yeah |
| 13:45.31 | bumbl | but for linux you first have to find the code which does this shit and remove it |
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| 13:46.15 | dns53 | have you read the eula that comes with rhel, sles etc, they do have restrictions on them but that does not stop centos from not having one |
| 13:47.35 | lindi- | dns53: we'll see if chrome really is DFSG-free soon hopefully |
| 13:48.14 | dns53 | you can check out the source and compile it yourself if you want |
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| 13:50.05 | bumbl | dns53: no I have never read these eulas as I am only running gentoo linux |
| 13:52.11 | dns53 | bumbl fair enough, they do have the normal commercial restrictions such as you can only run on one computer etc so the gpl or other licence can be different from the way they are sold |
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| 13:52.55 | bumbl | dns53: yeah I know |
| 13:52.59 | dns53 | if you sold a gpl program for $1 million that person could pay you and then feed the source back to the community |
| 13:53.27 | bumbl | dns53: yeah I know how the gpl,... works |
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| 13:57.12 | md2k7 | do i have to restart anything to enjoy my fresh gsmhandset.state file? |
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| 13:57.52 | AntonTakk | i so wish 2007.2 would work with my sim |
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| 13:58.27 | md2k7 | is gone testing his audio quality |
| 13:58.42 | johnsu01 | md2k7: if that works well for you would you mind sharing? :) |
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| 13:58.47 | AntonTakk | that would be good enough for me to use as a daily phone, with posably a few small modifications |
| 13:58.48 | johnsu01 | still struggling with mine |
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| 14:01.27 | jaj | phrozen77: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." |
| 14:01.45 | igor321 | keyword "essential" |
| 14:01.55 | bumbl | AntonTakk: fso ms3 will show up soon I hope |
| 14:06.20 | phrozen77 | *shrug* |
| 14:07.00 | md2k7 | still hears gsm interference |
| 14:07.03 | md2k7 | :( |
| 14:07.27 | bumbl | md2k7: get a better provider |
| 14:07.37 | AntonTakk | bumbl: last i looked it was 2 days late and still had 14 open tickets |
| 14:07.58 | bumbl | AntonTakk: yeah |
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| 14:08.31 | AntonTakk | if i knew python i'd try to help, but i don't |
| 14:08.55 | md2k7 | thinks he can learn python |
| 14:08.58 | AntonTakk | and anyone who points to zhone as a simple example app is drinking the good stuff imho |
| 14:09.20 | md2k7 | just is too confused by the amount of frameworks used which he doesn't know |
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| 14:09.47 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4621 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/lib/ (scope.py wave.py): |
| 14:09.47 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Some minor cleanup. The screenshots now use the full color range. |
| 14:09.47 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - lib/scope.py (rigol_channel_data): verified the offsets |
| 14:09.47 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - lib/scope.py (rigol_to_ppm): the MSB of the blue channel got chopped off |
| 14:09.48 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - lib/scope.py (rigol_to_ppm): made colors use the full dynamic range |
| 14:09.50 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - lib/wave.py (get_one): it's self.data, not self.wave.data |
| 14:09.52 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - lib/wave.py (__len__): it's self.data, not self.data.wave |
| 14:10.38 | AntonTakk | well, i was a c++ coder, so I have been able to adjust to c for my contacts app w/o to much problem |
| 14:12.16 | AntonTakk | and by was I'm refering to the dark ages :) |
| 14:12.24 | AntonTakk | least it feels that long ago |
| 14:13.21 | Dave | hrm |
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| 14:13.34 | md2k7 | btw: how can i invoke (= start) an enlightenment/illume module like the screen lock? |
| 14:13.48 | md2k7 | without pressing the aux button ofc |
| 14:15.12 | AntonTakk | md2k7: not sure, but you might look in to the enlightenment_remote command |
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| 14:19.03 | md2k7 | enlightenment_remote --help produces quite an appreciable list o.O |
| 14:20.25 | AntonTakk | md2k7: that it does |
| 14:20.53 | md2k7 | unfortunately "enlightenment_remote -module-list" doesn't give me any difference |
| 14:20.58 | md2k7 | when the screen is locked |
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| 14:21.15 | md2k7 | wth is this lock thing? |
| 14:23.37 | md2k7 | i actually want to turn the backlight off when the screen is locked |
| 14:23.58 | md2k7 | i wrote a small python script checking the aux button |
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| 14:24.33 | md2k7 | that worked nicely until i realized that calling does something to the screen, which my python script doesn't like |
| 14:24.34 | mickeyl | anyone ever got an event on headphone button press? |
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| 14:25.16 | md2k7 | e.g. it then turns off the screen when it is unlocked and otherwise |
| 14:25.51 | md2k7 | maybe it'd suffice to know when a call is coming/going out |
| 14:27.35 | AntonTakk | md2k7: fso, or asu? |
| 14:27.45 | md2k7 | asu |
| 14:28.05 | AntonTakk | md2k7: the qtopia junk may be doing that then |
| 14:28.34 | md2k7 | great, i love hunting down which app does something i don't want to happen |
| 14:28.48 | md2k7 | -.- |
| 14:29.04 | AntonTakk | hehe |
| 14:29.36 | AntonTakk | mickeyl: headphone button? |
| 14:30.05 | md2k7 | seems like the thing which makes the audio mux toggle is a key event?! |
| 14:30.31 | md2k7 | (when you insert or remove your headphones) |
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| 14:31.06 | md2k7 | apropos headphones, the 2,5mm jack would be another excellent thing to rant on |
| 14:31.24 | phrozen77 | indeed |
| 14:31.35 | md2k7 | but i'm into electronics so i don't really care, i just solder myself headphones :P |
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| 14:31.56 | phrozen77 | in soviet russia, headphones solder YOU |
| 14:32.04 | md2k7 | lol |
| 14:32.06 | johnsu01 | I dunno, coming from Nokia phones I'm tickled pink to have a 2.5mm jack |
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| 14:32.22 | johnsu01 | instead of their proprietary pop port |
| 14:32.32 | phrozen77 | mr_nice, hm - kenn ich dich von irgendwoher? |
| 14:32.45 | mickeyl | AntonTakk: button on the headset |
| 14:32.51 | AntonTakk | md2k7: i do think om has learned alot from the various flaws/etc in the fr, i expect the gta03 to be a fairly solid hw platform :) |
| 14:33.00 | SpeedEvil | The headphone jack acts as another button |
| 14:33.28 | AntonTakk | mickeyl: perhaps i'm drunk at work, but i don't remember seeing a button on the headphones :) |
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| 14:34.02 | md2k7 | well i do :) i was thinking about what it is intended for |
| 14:34.42 | mickeyl | AntonTakk: interesting. i have one here |
| 14:34.54 | mr_nice | phrozen77: hm, don't know but it is more polite for the others to stick to english? where do we know from? |
| 14:35.17 | phrozen77 | mr_nice, do you by chance know a network called solidirc? |
| 14:36.30 | mr_nice | phrozen77: no, sorry. |
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| 14:36.46 | phrozen77 | mr_nice, oh ok, must be an other mr_nice then |
| 14:37.00 | md2k7 | mickeyl: i have the button, too, but i don't know how it could be connected, there are no free pins on the plug |
| 14:37.25 | Tig|_ | could the button be a mute? |
| 14:37.26 | md2k7 | ground, left, right, and mic, i suppose |
| 14:37.41 | mr_nice | phrozen77: yes the name is quite common |
| 14:37.46 | md2k7 | it could be possible |
| 14:37.47 | Tig|_ | as in press the button to mute the microphone |
| 14:38.08 | mmontour | md2k7: pressing the button connects mic to ground |
| 14:38.11 | Tig|_ | If I remembered where I put it I would test it :) |
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| 14:42.39 | Dave | :| |
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| 14:47.35 | Sargun_Screen | dave |
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| 15:02.36 | Dave | Hello Sargun. |
| 15:07.06 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc379f2ebc1fb 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: |
| 15:07.06 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Hide private member variables in GPSDevice to prevent subclasses |
| 15:07.06 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: from overwriting them. |
| 15:07.07 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07framework * r06a36c4633a2 10/examples/ (ogpsd_methods.py ogpsd_resource.py ogpsd_signals.py): |
| 15:07.07 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: examples: Add examples how to use ogpsd DBus API (thanks Sascha Wessel!) |
| 15:07.11 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd_signals.py listens for gypsy signals |
| 15:07.13 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd_methods.py calls gypsy methods once and exits |
| 15:07.15 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd_resource.py requests the GPS resource from ousaged (power on while running, see |
| 15:07.17 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron) |
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| 15:18.18 | grummel | 4 |
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| 15:18.36 | zorkman | 5 |
| 15:18.42 | zorkman | I win |
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| 15:20.18 | phrozen77 | 6 |
| 15:20.20 | phrozen77 | no you dont |
| 15:20.44 | Blalien | could someone tell me if the suspend mode of om2008.8 will be fixed soon? |
| 15:20.53 | md2k7 | ? how fixed? |
| 15:21.42 | ShellEvil | Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. |
| 15:22.06 | Blalien | md2k7: Well my Neo goes into suspend mode after x seconds.... |
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| 15:31.36 | oktokie | quick question. |
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| 15:31.58 | oktokie | is there a seperate channel just talking about cellphones in general? |
| 15:32.25 | oktokie | I was looking for cellphone channel and saw tehre were 429 people in this channel. |
| 15:32.42 | cjb | not that I know of |
| 15:32.50 | ShellEvil | dermoth: don't think so |
| 15:32.55 | ShellEvil | okt: |
| 15:32.59 | oktokie | thanks |
| 15:33.12 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc2cff632bdc8 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (factory.py gpschannel.py gpsdevice.py): ogpsd: Add a dummy GPSDevice that reports a static location |
| 15:33.13 | ShellEvil | oktokie: we don't really care if you talk about general stuff if nobody else is being specific |
| 15:33.14 | oktokie | does anyone know what exactly SIM does? |
| 15:33.28 | pjz | just switched from 2008.8+zecke over to latest qtopia for his stable image |
| 15:33.39 | ShellEvil | It holds the secret that the network usees to negotiate teh phone number with the phone |
| 15:33.46 | oktokie | I see |
| 15:33.46 | ShellEvil | oktokie: the |
| 15:33.48 | Zorkman | and does pjz like it? |
| 15:34.03 | oktokie | I have bunch of blackberry cell phones needing to be wiped clean. |
| 15:34.06 | ShellEvil | oktokie: the phone itself has no number - the SIM has the numbers. |
| 15:34.07 | pjz | Zorkman: yeah, it seems to be nice and stable, it even suspends corretly |
| 15:34.15 | ShellEvil | oktokie: wiped clean? |
| 15:34.17 | oktokie | I noticed that SIM often holds contacts and messages. |
| 15:34.19 | pjz | Zorkman: only nit is that the speaker volume is a bit low |
| 15:34.35 | Zorkman | pjz: buzz/echo? |
| 15:34.38 | pjz | oktokie: yes, it also has a bit of user-accessible storage for contacts and messages |
| 15:34.41 | pjz | Zorkman: none |
| 15:34.45 | ShellEvil | oktokie: follow the procedure outlined by blackberry, or remove teh battery, and place them in a deep-fat frier for 20 minutes on high. |
| 15:34.48 | pjz | Zorkman: but it's a bit difficult to hear |
| 15:34.49 | oktokie | wiped-clean - erasing all data and setting it back to initialized condition. |
| 15:34.53 | Zorkman | pjz did you have it before? |
| 15:34.58 | pjz | Zorkman: nope |
| 15:35.43 | pjz | Zorkman: but 2008.8+zecke was having trouble charging or suspending or something sometimes |
| 15:35.45 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r0e562205765f 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb : start the task of splitting out apps/libs into |
| 15:35.45 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rf82bebbcbe04 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb : more breaking out of apps and libs |
| 15:35.46 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rc33d044a8b59 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb : packages plugins and fix some problems in |
| 15:35.46 | oktokie | does anyone know how to erase the device's own phone number from SIM card? |
| 15:35.47 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rf8cfe2239487 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb : put mediaserver in own package |
| 15:35.48 | ShellEvil | oktokie: you need to find out how to do that from blackberry, or user forums. |
| 15:35.50 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rcd605bf5dabd 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): propagate from branch 'org.openmoko.zecke.april-update' (head 3efe469d04dd7675eed50490beed04645bf83f9a) |
| 15:35.52 | ShellEvil | oktokie: you cannot |
| 15:35.53 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r75d233c5c866 10/ (62 files in 33 dirs): propagate from branch 'org.openmoko.zecke.april-update' (head a1c254ff522cc93280162eebe7431eb7b201087d) |
| 15:35.56 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rbc629d410262 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: propagate from branch 'org.openmoko.zecke.april-update' (head 16aa31bb680e6274af81e5dbc7498b04be776f4b) |
| 15:35.58 | ShellEvil | oktokie: remove the SIM and destroy. |
| 15:35.59 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rba2d14642d00 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb : more splitting work, hopefully services are in |
| 15:36.06 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r8b661a79ddb5 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb : fill out some of the qtopia apps we want on the |
| 15:36.08 | pjz | oktokie: you can't, that's what the SIM is *for* |
| 15:36.09 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rd97526bcbde4 10/ (670 files in 166 dirs): propagate from branch 'org.openmoko.zecke.april-update' (head 7dbd13bb8c12c7cc4e290ef6f353ecfdc83e9e19) |
| 15:36.12 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * re4e889e9ce64 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: propagate from branch 'org.openmoko.zecke.april-update' (head 45783a6c8bda4dbae7ddfda0b24df2699006bf9a) |
| 15:36.15 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r4389e7046180 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb : package help files with applications instead |
| 15:36.15 | CVirus | sob |
| 15:36.18 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * rb1e248acbe36 10/ (92 files in 22 dirs): propagate from branch 'org.openmoko.dev' (head d5fd1847d8ae604d31c6b9680f671b8114993ffc) |
| 15:36.20 | ShellEvil | oktokie: SIMs can be easily replaced cheaply - that's the idea |
| 15:36.27 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r52ee54a30c41 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb : more packaging fixes/tweaks and create some |
| 15:36.30 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r5d7eca779cab 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb : add some more packages to the image |
| 15:36.33 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * rca0748a14f4b 10/packages/ (38 files in 7 dirs): Unify the PV writing of svn based recipes. |
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| 15:36.36 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * rf0022b447f47 10/classes/sanity.bbclass: Make sure the TMPDIR exists. |
| 15:36.38 | oktokie | pjz: you mean it's own phone number cannot be erased? |
| 15:36.39 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * rdac5634d4782 10/classes/sanity.bbclass: And use tabs... |
| 15:36.42 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * r4a33fbe4366e 10/ (188 files in 66 dirs): Introduce a SRCPV and use it inside the PV as replacement for SRCREV |
| 15:36.55 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * r53515f9707d9 10/packages/mono/mono_svn.inc: mono: Two svn checkouts are used, specify a SRCREV_FORMAT |
| 15:36.56 | oktokie | pjz: then how does phone operators able to change the phone number on the SIM? |
| 15:36.58 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * rf1ae08741d66 10/packages/u-boot/u-boot-openmoko-devel_git.bb: u-boot-openmoko-devel: Use a revision that exists again. |
| 15:37.01 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * r88368a8e63b1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane srcrevs: Add a rev for linux-openmoko-devel |
| 15:37.04 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * r0b62c26f56d4 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): illume: Update to r71, change the recipe to work with rev's below 71 and above |
| 15:37.07 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r56076a46a025 10/packages/xorg-xserver/ (7 files): applied changes from a462dd02324fae1a9cd1df33366213df28a2b1cc |
| 15:37.09 | ShellEvil | oktokie: because they don't change the ID in the SIM |
| 15:37.12 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * r1d4d7b54fd2e 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-theme_svn.bb: illume-theme: Update the installation routine as well. the illume config is new in r71 |
| 15:37.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * r6b20746b6425 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-theme_svn.bb: merge of '2e30494ce5ee48ab1b148ee26272a2aed0454dd9' |
| 15:37.21 | ShellEvil | oktokie: they change the secret-phone-number mapping |
| 15:37.26 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r8d39638d33d0 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): propagate from branch 'org.openmoko.xora.qtopia' (head c2294df38ae8ce55290ab7637d4653d174d0a821) |
| 15:37.29 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r6ea927e93df3 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb : manually fix task-openmoko PV and small merge |
| 15:37.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r3625ee8abc6b 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb: qtopia-phone-x11_4.3.1.bb : some final fixes, cant use imagemagick-native |
| 15:37.35 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r5e6b8af24845 10/classes/om-utils.bbclass: classes/om-utils.bbclass : a utility bbclass that contains a task to |
| 15:37.42 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03freyther 07org.openmoko.dev * rcc8874803a21 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [qtopia] Upgrade the used Qtopia/X11 revision and the recipe. |
| 15:37.45 | pjz | oktokie: well, IIRC, it doesn't have the phone number in it directly, it has some other essentially account-specific identifier in it that ties it to yuor account |
| 15:37.51 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r15fed1632797 10/packages/efl1/epsilon_cvs.bb: applied partial changes from 568c22f89e802bfa2941b3ff64c9b8b8fb590bfd |
| 15:37.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r4a6efdcc5cf1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc : increment kernel revision to one with all suspend/resume |
| 15:37.57 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r6fb281a19394 10/packages/efl1/epsilon_cvs.bb: merge of '8db8cded30a1041dacb917199cff0af74ad866be' |
| 15:38.00 | CIA-22 | (142 lines omitted) |
| 15:38.02 | pjz | oktokie: and then that is tied to your phone number |
| 15:38.02 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r99884bb0b9bf 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to have "Save to Contacts" fixed |
| 15:38.07 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rbdf536164542 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade ninja to get the Green bar selected animator |
| 15:38.16 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rcd847be2bcc8 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [srcrev] Upgrade assassin to get animation changes |
| 15:38.19 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r52bcd388a2e1 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [asu] Install the Openmoko Gtk+ theme to make gtk+ apps look like OM2007.2 |
| 15:38.22 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r4ee7a8396832 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [openmoko] the original reversion of linux-openmoko-devel |
| 15:38.25 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r02cd3d017698 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [diversity] To change the applications's title name to Splinter. |
| 15:38.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r00eb39b669a2 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [exposure] Bump up reversion of exposure to 30. |
| 15:38.33 | ShellEvil | oktokie: giving away SIMs is never safe generally, as it may be reactivatable on the old number. And replacement SIMs are nearly free. |
| 15:38.35 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r9f78faef6efb 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): newer revs of illume and efl/e |
| 15:38.42 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r977e1568e164 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [om2007.2] Install the settings-daemon to better integrate Gtk+ applications |
| 15:38.45 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * ra8607c02c6d8 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [om2007.2] Install a package which contains the default config |
| 15:38.48 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * ra5352e0ef50a 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [splinter] Make sure we have an application icon |
| 15:38.51 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rbe132b825ad9 10/packages/python/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [python-cython] This commit is a temporary solution. |
| 15:38.58 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r18af169717c9 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] systemtime uses worldtime pictures but they are not installed (#1463) |
| 15:39.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r16dd164fd514 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [qtopia] Update Qtopia to get GSM work initiated by mwester |
| 15:39.06 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rd366b77b9de2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the ninja theme to rev 5 as of ticks request |
| 15:39.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r1c8897428296 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] As on ticks request upgrade opkg to 4488 to fix some segfaults |
| 15:39.14 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r5a1bb6698fcd 10/classes/rootfs_ipk.bbclass: rootfs_ipk.bbclass: opkg nowadays needs its lib directory created before it can operate |
| 15:39.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r2d43cc4ee401 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Qtopia upgrade to have various bugfixes for regina |
| 15:39.26 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r5b191c20617e 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] helpbrowser couldn't find index.html (#1465) |
| 15:39.29 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb215bcc1deac 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade splinter to r427 as of Jeremy's request |
| 15:39.36 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * ra5d30b417713 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [gdbus] Add libgdbus of moblin for connman |
| 15:39.39 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r9af5b0e1f91f 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [connman] Add connman as we want to use it for ASU/exposure |
| 15:39.42 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r2614c1e38086 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] Split the scripts and plugins into separate packages |
| 15:39.47 | CIA-22 | (66 lines omitted) |
| 15:39.53 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r3dbfcf45da35 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update to newer etheme and shelf size options |
| 15:39.56 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rc4a11bcb1ae1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume to rev120 - had theme problem. 100% cpu usage with infinite timer. |
| 15:40.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r52c02259f98b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: up to 0630 for date of efl - should fix eet issue? i can't reproduce here at |
| 15:40.06 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r9e260b12105f 10/packages/efl1/edbus_cvs.bb: don't need efreet or ewl for edbus build. |
| 15:40.09 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r268dec8746b2 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [qtopia] Remove the callforwarding and phonesettings application from the image |
| 15:40.18 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rff0c46bffeb4 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to a version with the massive painting changes |
| 15:40.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r12e664d69cc1 10/packages/efl1/edbus_cvs.bb: [edbus Bump the PR after raster's change |
| 15:40.30 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r28a197c5a775 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get the callscreen/theme improvements |
| 15:40.33 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rc81cfde435c7 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: update efl to latest to get etk drag+hold changes etc. |
| 15:40.36 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r85ddb1fbd93c 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum of elfutils |
| 15:40.39 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r93924e8e1003 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add prelink checksum for the normal mirror |
| 15:40.41 | oktokie | is it normal for CIA-22 to announce like this? |
| 15:40.46 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re4df4234ac7b 10/packages/python/python-pyxdg_0.15.bb: [python] Add pyxdg to use fdo specs from python |
| 15:40.49 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r0dcb1a5a8940 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for pyxdg, matches the debian source |
| 15:40.53 | pjz | does the software package upgrader in qtopia work? |
| 15:40.58 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rf835ce44bade 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update efl and illume dates/rev to update to gsm "no signal" mode and |
| 15:41.01 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * ra7acd6517e46 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 174. |
| 15:41.04 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rf6357204c59a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [splinter] Bump up the reversion of splinter to 438 |
| 15:41.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r22ff92a342cf 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up to illume rev with any_mod for bindings. |
| 15:41.14 | *** join/#openmoko imcsk8 (n=ichavero@148.229.1.11) |
| 15:41.14 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r40e68b86743a 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 15:41.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r4d4cc6e622d9 10/packages/openmoko-projects/assassin_svn.bb: [Assassin] Add curl to assassin's depends. |
| 15:41.26 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r18e466d9a39d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [splinter] Bump up the reversion of splinter to 449 |
| 15:41.29 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rc0faecdee4f7 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [srcrev/exposure] Upgrade exposure to have the xdg changes |
| 15:41.32 | Tig|_ | oktokie: yeah when there is a load of stuff going in :) if it annoys you use the /ignore command |
| 15:41.36 | CIA-22 | (105 lines omitted) |
| 15:41.38 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r1465c89a7b9a 10/ (conf/checksums.ini packages/iotop/iotop_0.2.1.bb): [iotop] Add iotop 0.2.1 to OpenEmbedded/Openmoko |
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| 15:41.41 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r7fe0f5a32344 10/packages/iotop/iotop_0.2.1.bb: [iotop] Make the installed package work |
| 15:41.46 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r4c2368b1670f 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add python-gst |
| 15:41.50 | oktokie | Tig: thinaks. |
| 15:41.51 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb98740d0a7d8 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add iotop to the feed |
| 15:41.53 | Tig|_ | looks like there is some merging going on :) |
| 15:41.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r320853333ad5 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add pdf viewers to the feed |
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| 15:41.57 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r29c5961b995a 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Sort the entries with FILENAME by alphabet ordering. |
| 15:42.06 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * ra040bd85ad80 10/conf/checksums.ini: Merge commit 'origin/org.openmoko.asu.dev' into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 15:42.09 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r490386d82ca1 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Remove the duplicate entry |
| 15:42.14 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rfc4cf0f11cae 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for 42c_skins.tgz |
| 15:42.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rb5ebd6a709d5 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for free42.tgz |
| 15:42.24 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r16f84b16b977 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for nano-2.0.7 |
| 15:42.27 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r08604e7b7a48 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for settingsgui-0.8 |
| 15:42.36 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rc488cc154454 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for MPlayer-1.0rc2 |
| 15:42.39 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r25e65bc387f4 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for midori-0.0.17 |
| 15:42.44 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rcc18569f5d6f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for gnash-0.8.2 |
| 15:42.51 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r5f35cafeff72 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for gpe-timesheet-0.32 |
| 15:42.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r35adeff6d6f7 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for synergy-1.3.1 |
| 15:42.57 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r4e00f396b3ab 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for gpe-filemanager-0.30 |
| 15:43.06 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * raa15c90026cd 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for swt-3.4M5-gtk-linux-x86.zip |
| 15:43.09 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rbc94c3ae9c7d 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for jamvm-1.5.1 |
| 15:43.12 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r53c3d5062e7f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for poppler-0.6.4 |
| 15:43.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rbfd9868dce2b 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for x11vnc-0.9.3 |
| 15:43.24 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r306500ebf378 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for SDL_net-1.2.7.tar.gz |
| 15:43.27 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * raebb4501b216 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for tangoGPS-0.7.tar.gz |
| 15:43.27 | zash | CIA-22: you can be checksub |
| 15:43.36 | CIA-22 | (153 lines omitted) |
| 15:43.38 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rc40dda990d39 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin to avoid packagekitd races |
| 15:43.41 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * red930c7c7102 10/packages/openmoko-tools/app-restarter_svn.bb: [app-restarter] Add X11 to the dependencies. |
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| 15:43.50 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rad6f7e8de52f 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [openmoko] Add a Gtk+ utility to set the root password |
| 15:43.53 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re6ac61df5e71 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko] Add the Qtopia debug helper and root password utility |
| 15:43.56 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r5252d7977370 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [openmoko] Add the matchbox-keyboard-im gtk+ modules for keyboard input |
| 15:44.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r15aa8bf72252 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Remove minimo from ASU-feed |
| 15:44.06 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r84656519be62 10/classes/update-rc.d.bbclass: make sure update-rc is always executed in an offline postinst (from poky r4976) |
| 15:44.15 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r4a08a09fe19a 10/packages/dbus/dbus_1.1.20.bb: [dbus] Bump the PR after the update-rc change as we know dbus benefits from it |
| 15:44.18 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rfeb87d2587ad 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update efl and illume to have config for removed spanner , asterisk moved, |
| 15:44.21 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r23d54a3de846 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-settings] Bump up the reversion of om-settings to 66 |
| 15:44.28 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r17d475599b72 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: [openmoko] Calling packages .opk |
| 15:44.31 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r9def9e88398a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade linux-openmoko to get the charging indicator fix |
| 15:44.34 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r25e4c6650215 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Use the latest stable u-boot. |
| 15:44.38 | ShellEvil | passes out mops to have a flood clearing party. |
| 15:44.39 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * ra9bf6a3043ba 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: ok. qwerty gone. |
| 15:44.42 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r93505f24794e 10/conf/distro/ (include/sane-srcrevs.inc openmoko.conf): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 15:44.46 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rfe45c9835262 10/packages/efl1/ (ecore.inc ecore_cvs.bb): ecore shoudl really get xdamag/composite support... if its ever used/desired... |
| 15:44.49 | Zorkman | starts mopping :) |
| 15:44.53 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rce8ef7a6a9fd 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (2 files in 2 dirs): turn on composite at runtime so it can be used.. if u run a compositemanager |
| 15:44.56 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r8cf4433aadb7 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): and update efl and illume to fix focus issues qith qtopia and softmenu etc. |
| 15:44.59 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rd3b7be9eef1f 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [linux-openmoko] Turn off EVBUG |
| 15:45.04 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r8b6771382308 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (illume-theme/illume-none.edj illume-theme_svn.bb): [illume-theme] For Design issue. |
| 15:45.07 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r4b09ed97b3ef 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [illume-config] For Design issue. |
| 15:45.10 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rde02c3b12822 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg-utils] Bump up the reversion of opkg-utils to 4592 |
| 15:45.17 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rc38b27c34f17 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and fix up suspend on initial boot if it's slow. final change for asu release |
| 15:45.20 | CIA-22 | (82 lines omitted) |
| 15:45.28 | ShellEvil | Nooo! |
| 15:45.29 | viq | whoa |
| 15:45.34 | ShellEvil | Give us back our 82 lines! |
| 15:45.48 | CVirus | LOL |
| 15:46.11 | viq | It's scary when you get screens and screens of commit messages, ended by "82 lines omitted" :P |
| 15:46.11 | Rakshasa | Seems someone's been hard at work committing... |
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| 15:47.10 | Rakshasa | Total lines omitted was quite near 500. |
| 15:47.25 | md2k7 | great, now i have installed a gsm mux onto 2008.8 and now i can't hang up anymore |
| 15:47.41 | md2k7 | each call i make seems to open up a new channel or sth |
| 15:47.44 | balrog-kun | why would you want to hang up |
| 15:47.49 | md2k7 | lol |
| 15:48.07 | md2k7 | because i've dialed a number and want to stop losing money ofc |
| 15:48.19 | ShellEvil | remove the battery :) |
| 15:48.26 | md2k7 | i just entered reboot |
| 15:48.31 | md2k7 | should work, too |
| 15:48.35 | md2k7 | (i hope) |
| 15:50.07 | viq | eventually ;) |
| 15:50.29 | phrozen77 | fwiw, just ordered an iphone |
| 15:50.33 | phrozen77 | hides |
| 15:50.35 | balrog-kun | not losing money is overrated |
| 15:50.45 | oktokie | yay! iphone` |
| 15:50.47 | ShellEvil | stabs phrozen77 with a wedge lump of cheese. |
| 15:51.04 | phrozen77 | :O |
| 15:51.08 | Tanuva | waves his good ol' 3510i... |
| 15:51.27 | b0ib0t2 | yo phrozen, 77 your fav number? |
| 15:51.33 | phrozen77 | sort of |
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| 15:53.20 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r89455525b39b 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:53.20 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: preliminary headphone mixer autoswitch |
| 15:53.20 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: * add InputEvent trigger |
| 15:53.20 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: * add Command action |
| 15:53.20 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: * add rule for gta02 |
| 15:53.44 | phrozen77 | gta02 - now with MOAR RULES |
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| 16:01.59 | Zorkman | why do we have a kernel-module-cdrom? |
| 16:02.15 | thebishop | is it possible to get openMoko in a PMP-style configuration with no CDMA and a HDD? |
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| 16:04.10 | ShellEvil | No. |
| 16:04.13 | ShellEvil | Well - yes. |
| 16:04.15 | ShellEvil | But no. |
| 16:04.32 | ShellEvil | You can install it on a small X86 box - but not in the way you mean. |
| 16:04.39 | ShellEvil | I want a OM camera. |
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| 16:05.51 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 16:05.59 | abraxa_ | thebishop: What do you mean by PMP-style configuration and "no CDMA"? |
| 16:06.12 | thebishop | abraxa_, sorry, i meant no GSM |
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| 16:06.24 | thebishop | basically, i want an open PMP with a hard drive and wifi |
| 16:06.45 | thebishop | i was looking at these system boards here: http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/html/x270-em-datasheet.htm |
| 16:06.56 | thebishop | and then i remembered the openmoko project is pretty similar |
| 16:07.03 | abraxa_ | Well, Openmoko devices are probably a rather poor platform |
| 16:07.03 | *** part/#openmoko oktokie (n=paulc@96.56.31.154) |
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| 16:07.18 | thebishop | abraxa_, poor cpu? |
| 16:07.20 | viq | PMP? |
| 16:07.29 | abraxa_ | You get lots of stuff you don't want and you have zero space to put a hard disk |
| 16:07.42 | thebishop | viq, portable media player, like an ipod touch or archos or cowon |
| 16:07.55 | thebishop | abraxa_, i'm not so worried about the space, i could make my own chassis |
| 16:08.03 | thebishop | i'm more concerned with support on the board |
| 16:08.14 | viq | ah |
| 16:08.49 | slaxxin | the latest qtopia went back to a loud scream in speakerphone mode |
| 16:08.50 | abraxa_ | thebishop: Well, there are no "variants" manufactured, so no variants to buy. You'd have to get a complete phone and toss the parts you don't want |
| 16:09.16 | slaxxin | 4.3.3 |
| 16:09.22 | thebishop | i'm surprised to find that there's no product on the market like this. the closest thing is probably the nokia N810, and its only got like 8gb max |
| 16:09.51 | thebishop | i think there might be a demand, especially if a healthy developer community surrounded it |
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| 16:10.55 | slaxxin | an some heathier hardware |
| 16:11.01 | *** part/#openmoko pabs3 (n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au) |
| 16:11.12 | thebishop | healthier than what? moko? |
| 16:12.22 | Rakshasa | thebishop: Would something like http://buglabs.net/ be anywhere near what you're looking for? |
| 16:12.39 | thebishop | Rakshasa, i've seen that thing. its cool, but i can't imagine actually using it |
| 16:12.54 | slaxxin | well i think there will be some better hardware mfg's (not saying fic isnt a great hardware mfg) start making hardware for this platform |
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| 16:13.04 | thebishop | Rakshasa, check out this: http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/html/x270-em-datasheet.htm ... http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/img/x270-em-withlcd-m.jpg |
| 16:13.08 | ShellEvil | slaxxin: a year or two at least. |
| 16:13.55 | Rakshasa | thebishop: Yeah, that sounds more like a tool than a toy =P |
| 16:14.46 | thebishop | Rakshasa, i could see using bugbox if i had a job that required some specialized handheld device that didn't currently exist |
| 16:14.56 | pjz | thebishop: you should look at the gpx2 successor |
| 16:15.07 | thebishop | pjz, does it have a hdd? |
| 16:15.24 | slaxxin | has anybody used the handwriting input device on the lasest qtopia? |
| 16:15.29 | pjz | thebishop: hmm, no, but it has an SD slot at least, maybe 2 |
| 16:15.35 | AntonTakk | i realise this is off-tomic, so i apologize ahead of time, but do any of you know the name of the communications company that controls everything in the battletech universe? |
| 16:15.44 | thebishop | pjz, meh :( |
| 16:15.48 | pjz | AntonTakk: try wikipedia |
| 16:15.50 | ShellEvil | AntonTakk: FIC |
| 16:15.54 | AntonTakk | lol |
| 16:16.26 | pjz | thebishop: also you might check out what the neuros guys are doing |
| 16:16.56 | pjz | thebishop: though by the time you add a display and hdd and etc you've basically got a small general-purpose computer, so the netbooks or MIDs are in the niche |
| 16:17.27 | thebishop | yeah, i'm really more interested in the handheld form factor |
| 16:17.49 | thebishop | look at how excited people got with ipod homebrew... even though Apple is trying to destroy it |
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| 16:19.57 | pjz | thebishop: you might see how the archos hackers are doing these days |
| 16:20.38 | thebishop | pjz, heh, last i checked they haven't gotten too far. and besides, there should really be a device that doesn't need to be "hacked" |
| 16:20.54 | ShellEvil | there should be free ice-cream. |
| 16:21.02 | thebishop | i don't mind paying for ice cream |
| 16:21.09 | thebishop | however |
| 16:21.10 | *** part/#openmoko abraxa_ (n=abraxa@nv-76-0-206-49.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 16:21.20 | thebishop | if Ben And Jerrys forced me to use their spoons, i'd be pissed |
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| 16:22.49 | pjz | thebishop: http://www.openpma.org/ says they've got linux/qtopia/wifi running on the Archos PMAs |
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| 16:23.27 | thebishop | pjz, bookmarked, thanks |
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| 16:24.53 | md2k7 | which browser do you guys use on the FR (i have 2008.8)? the openmoko one sucks a bit |
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| 16:25.10 | Zorkman | uses minimo |
| 16:25.12 | md2k7 | and i didn't figure out how to use the midori one, it probably needs some porting work |
| 16:25.40 | pjz | thebishop: what do you need a HD for? SD cards are ginormous these days |
| 16:26.56 | pjz | thebishop: seriously, the original archos PMAs shipped with 30GB drives... and there are now 32GB SDHC cards that will work with something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X_Wiz |
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| 16:30.04 | slaxxin | is the cia-22 just dealing with 2008.8? |
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| 16:46.16 | Dave | Torikuns |
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| 16:48.31 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu * r4622 10/trunk/src/target/themes/ (82 files in 6 dirs): |
| 16:48.31 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Ass illume-theme-asu. |
| 16:48.31 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Provide a illume theme for ASU. |
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| 16:52.16 | Dave | all your opkg |
| 16:53.52 | donomo | are belong to us |
| 16:54.00 | PBeck | give it a good gui to connect to a wifi network which is wpa2 protected? |
| 16:54.41 | PBeck | *gui-program |
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| 16:59.41 | md2k7 | what could be the cause if i am only able to use (start) GPRS if i ifup'ed my wireless before? |
| 16:59.59 | md2k7 | and where does pppd tell me why it exited? |
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| 17:00.35 | md2k7 | (i'm still in 2008.8) |
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| 17:01.35 | ShellEvil | routing problems I guess |
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| 17:01.53 | md2k7 | well its not about routing, but about pppd exiting |
| 17:02.01 | ShellEvil | on the console - or syslogged - if you set the DEBUG option on pppd |
| 17:02.22 | md2k7 | and where do i set that^^ |
| 17:02.59 | ShellEvil | It may be /etc/ppp/options |
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| 17:04.05 | md2k7 | nevermind, it seems to work now (?!) |
| 17:04.25 | md2k7 | is gprs always so "irreproducible"? |
| 17:04.33 | ShellEvil | :/ |
| 17:04.43 | md2k7 | that it sometimes works, and sometimes it doesn't... |
| 17:04.45 | ShellEvil | It's not completely trivial to get a script. |
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| 17:06.35 | md2k7 | ok, now i'd only like to count the bytes flowing over my gprs, so i can stay below my limits |
| 17:06.39 | md2k7 | any ideas? :-) |
| 17:06.44 | ShellEvil | ifconfig |
| 17:06.49 | md2k7 | yeah thats clear |
| 17:06.55 | ShellEvil | but that's a silly comment. |
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| 17:07.02 | md2k7 | but if i turn it off, or reboot? |
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| 17:07.48 | md2k7 | maybe parse it out and add it up when i turn gprs off? |
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| 17:30.01 | Dave | :D |
| 17:30.13 | Dave | Speedevil, are you still selling screen protectors? |
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| 17:38.17 | tuqs | i tried to use (GNU) screen but it's not loading, the cursor jumps into the next line but that's all. how to fix? |
| 17:38.48 | tuqs | (om 2008.8) |
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| 17:42.27 | snp | anyone here placed an order from truebox? |
| 17:42.52 | snp | placed mine yesterday... |
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| 17:45.57 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * reca116006eba 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [om-locations] Set om-locations to use 0.2 branch of om-locations git. |
| 17:45.57 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0a0bfd66510e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] Bump up the revision of Om-locations |
| 17:45.58 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r649629d6f773 10/packages/openmoko2/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-sound-system2: make pulseaudio stops listening for TCP by default |
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| 17:46.02 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6a6b33a98de5 10/packages/dropbear/ (dropbear.inc dropbear/openmoko/default dropbear_0.49.bb): dropbear: improve dropbear security by listening only on usb0 by default |
| 17:46.05 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r1f4838267cfe 10/packages/xorg-app/ (xterm/xterm.desktop xterm/xterm.png xterm_207.bb): xterm: add desktop and png icon |
| 17:46.08 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8342d9e21288 10/packages/tzdata/tzdata_2007k.bb: tzdata: add localtime in conffiles |
| 17:46.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r614175e352c4 10/packages/busybox/ (busybox_1.9.1.bb files/hwclock.sh): busybox: update hwclock.sh to honor the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS |
| 17:46.16 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd12b80aee8d8 10/packages/sysvinit/ (sysvinit/openmoko/rcS-default sysvinit_2.86.bb): sysvinit: switch openmoko distro to use UTC=yes by default |
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| 17:55.31 | baba_melone | Hi, Im trying out my new freerunner phone with Om2008.8, but my media player doesnt work |
| 17:55.37 | baba_melone | it only worked once |
| 17:56.07 | baba_melone | it starts and so on |
| 17:56.16 | baba_melone | but playback just doesnt start |
| 17:56.22 | baba_melone | no error message, nothing |
| 17:58.19 | slaxxin | try reboot |
| 17:58.35 | slaxxin | it might be that the sound has quit |
| 17:58.52 | baba_melone | rebooted several times |
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| 17:58.58 | slaxxin | does your phone do the same |
| 17:59.14 | slaxxin | mediaplayer2? |
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| 17:59.50 | baba_melone | what do you mean by the same |
| 18:00.04 | baba_melone | yeah, I think mp2, as Ive installed it today |
| 18:00.10 | baba_melone | from repos |
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| 18:05.23 | tg | hi |
| 18:06.15 | baba_melone | hi tg |
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| 18:06.54 | yamitenshi | little question... do any of you know of a decent IRC client for the FR? |
| 18:07.13 | tg | irssi? |
| 18:07.14 | tg | :) |
| 18:07.32 | yamitenshi | okay, touché :P |
| 18:07.40 | paroneayea | emacs + erc? :) |
| 18:07.46 | yamitenshi | but I meant one with a GUI that does allow you to see what you're typing :P |
| 18:08.12 | baba_melone | my locations prog says: unable to locate a fix? |
| 18:08.18 | baba_melone | wut does that mey |
| 18:08.22 | baba_melone | *mean |
| 18:08.33 | yamitenshi | unlike pidgin, which shows a line of about two pixels :') |
| 18:08.39 | baba_melone | yamitenshi: xhchat ought to be compilable |
| 18:08.58 | baba_melone | you can edit the gtk settings? |
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| 18:09.26 | yamitenshi | baba_melone: it means the GPS couldn't get your position. Does that for me too, it takes about 30 mins to get a first fix |
| 18:09.39 | yamitenshi | even though the wiki says that problem should have been solved =\ |
| 18:09.47 | Dave | YAMI! |
| 18:09.52 | ShellEvil | yamitenshi: have oyu a recent kernel? |
| 18:10.29 | baba_melone | yeamitenshi? so do i have to try and try again? |
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| 18:11.27 | yamitenshi | ShellEvil: well, I have to admit, my last try was a few days ago with the 2007.2 image, I'm not sure the fix was included in that kernel |
| 18:11.47 | yamitenshi | ShellEvil: but I should have a recent kernel, I upgrade every day :) |
| 18:12.13 | yamitenshi | baba_melone: I recommend using agps-ui to turn on GPS, then letting it get a fix |
| 18:12.30 | yamitenshi | you can check regularly to see whether it has a fix or not |
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| 18:16.34 | baba_melone | and what about my media player prob, anyone else here who experienced it |
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| 18:16.48 | baba_melone | or am i doing sth. seriously wrong |
| 18:17.28 | baba_melone | It worked one time, one lonely time, but after that reboot(and several more reboots) it didnt work anymore |
| 18:18.30 | yamitenshi | ShellEvil: do you by any chance know if the TTFF problem was supposed to be solved in 2007.2 as well? |
| 18:19.37 | yamitenshi | baba_melone: the only problem I've experienced is that it doesn't provide a feature that allows you to browse through your music by artist/album and such, but that can't really be called a bug, I think :P (unless it's there, but so badly caouflaged that it's nearly invisible, of course) |
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| 18:20.54 | baba_melone | hm |
| 18:21.36 | slaxxin | i tried to install pidgin an fell into hell |
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| 18:23.05 | slaxxin | i swam through the dependencies only to get to one of the last things an it failedon the last dep. |
| 18:23.25 | slaxxin | 2008.8 |
| 18:24.27 | yamitenshi | slaxxin: worked for me, from the angstrom repo |
| 18:25.02 | slaxxin | did u have many deps. |
| 18:25.16 | slaxxin | i had close to 15 |
| 18:26.10 | baba_melone | looks like an error of my sound system |
| 18:26.16 | baba_melone | what shall I do now |
| 18:26.21 | slaxxin | it was a fully upgraded 2008.8 |
| 18:26.22 | baba_melone | mplayer wont work too |
| 18:26.46 | slaxxin | unmute it? |
| 18:26.53 | slaxxin | haha |
| 18:27.06 | baba_melone | nearly funny |
| 18:27.14 | slaxxin | sorry |
| 18:27.22 | baba_melone | ^^no problem |
| 18:27.27 | slaxxin | i like simple first |
| 18:27.32 | baba_melone | Im just not dumb |
| 18:27.51 | slaxxin | well if u can find your way here.... |
| 18:28.12 | baba_melone | mplayer doesnt do a move |
| 18:28.14 | slaxxin | u wont like my solution:) |
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| 18:28.40 | baba_melone | it loads the file properly(or so it seems to me) but then nothing happen |
| 18:28.42 | baba_melone | s |
| 18:28.48 | baba_melone | it doesnt freeze, too |
| 18:28.57 | baba_melone | it just doesnt play the file |
| 18:29.05 | baba_melone | and my system is not mute |
| 18:29.14 | slaxxin | is that the basic 2008.8 or an upgraded ver. |
| 18:29.28 | slaxxin | latest build? |
| 18:29.31 | baba_melone | I downloaded it today |
| 18:29.34 | slaxxin | ok |
| 18:29.35 | baba_melone | yeah, latest build |
| 18:29.53 | slaxxin | goodby qtopia |
| 18:29.58 | baba_melone | As I said it worked for one single time which is the strangest thing to me |
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| 18:30.37 | slaxxin | qutopia is running very good i hate to drop it |
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| 18:30.56 | Tm_T | Qtopia you mean? |
| 18:30.59 | Tm_T | there's no u |
| 18:30.59 | snp | slaxxin: hi... |
| 18:31.00 | slaxxin | yes |
| 18:31.06 | Tm_T | (;) |
| 18:31.08 | slaxxin | how |
| 18:31.10 | snp | slaxxin: could you give me an estimate of battery life with it? :) |
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| 18:31.30 | slaxxin | well |
| 18:32.14 | peter__b | can anyone tellme what the notes app is called |
| 18:32.15 | baba_melone | well, it seems to me that reinstallation would be the best? |
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| 18:32.36 | slaxxin | the speakerphone started squeeling again |
| 18:32.44 | baba_melone | is it my whole sound system which is fucked up or only jack or pulseaudio or whatever |
| 18:33.08 | slaxxin | whereas on 4.3.2 the speakerphone did work well |
| 18:33.22 | slaxxin | snp |
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| 18:34.21 | snp | mm.... |
| 18:34.30 | rooly | gotta love dem's hurricanes |
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| 18:34.45 | slaxxin | it has now used 2 of 4 bars in 4 hours |
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| 18:35.02 | Zorkman | opkg upgrading my 2008.8 image on SD altered te kernel of my 2007.2 on internal memory |
| 18:35.03 | jucs | Hey =) |
| 18:35.04 | snp | and did you use it heavy? |
| 18:35.13 | Zorkman | anybody else had this problem? |
| 18:35.20 | Zorkman | (I had it a few times before I think) |
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| 18:35.25 | slaxxin | hard to say but it seems longer than previous |
| 18:35.26 | Tytanick | loool :-D |
| 18:35.32 | Tytanick | sry, not here :-P |
| 18:36.04 | jucs | ssh root@freerunner -L 2947:127.0.0.1:2947 -N <- Ah, GPS for the Notebook :-P :-P :-P |
| 18:36.10 | slaxxin | has a handriting input method |
| 18:36.14 | dos1 | Zorkman: hyh? this is logical :P |
| 18:36.23 | slaxxin | handwriting* |
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| 18:36.32 | snp | haha okey... Well the reason I ask is because I ordered my freerunner yesterday and I'm going to have it as a primary phone during the time my Nokia E90 is on service.. Thought it was a good reason to start develop on the phone when I have this dilemma :). |
| 18:36.47 | Zorkman | dos1? I use a different kernel for booting from SD, one that is located on my SD |
| 18:36.56 | Torikun | ieatlint: Yo |
| 18:37.14 | jucs | snp: You'll probably not be able to use it as your primary phone... |
| 18:37.19 | jucs | Yet :-p |
| 18:37.24 | wurp2|working | Does the debian image do suspend/resume reliably? |
| 18:37.31 | dos1 | Zorkman: but updater script doesn't know about that |
| 18:37.42 | dos1 | jucs: i'm using |
| 18:37.43 | dos1 | ;] |
| 18:37.50 | wurp2|working | jucs: You can via FSO milestones if you can accept the limited features |
| 18:37.53 | slaxxin | i think if u have 4 devices using current together u will get 4 times the current used |
| 18:38.06 | slaxxin | so it dont matter |
| 18:38.14 | jucs | The audio bugs are hardware-related... I would be surprised if it worked anywhere right now... |
| 18:38.27 | baba_melone | When trying to execute opkg install openmoko-kediaplayer I get error code 2 |
| 18:38.33 | slaxxin | i assume that theres no gps on in qtopia |
| 18:38.35 | dos1 | i'm using freerunner as primary phone with 2007.2 |
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| 18:38.46 | dos1 | baba_melone: openmoko-mediaplayer2 |
| 18:38.52 | Zorkman | anyone has a link to a recent 2007.2 kernel? can't find one on http://downloads.openmoko.org/ |
| 18:38.55 | snp | dos1: and you have good battery life? Well reasonable.. |
| 18:38.56 | baba_melone | k |
| 18:38.57 | jucs | dos1: So your mades might be very indolent... |
| 18:39.06 | wurp2|working | dos1: I use ScaredyCat on my gta01 as my primary phone, but gsm is unreliable |
| 18:39.18 | jucs | snp: ~6 hours, if you're lucky... |
| 18:39.19 | dos1 | snp: ~1,5 days |
| 18:39.25 | jucs | dos1: o.O |
| 18:39.38 | dos1 | i have stable suspend |
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| 18:39.54 | snp | well thanks :) |
| 18:39.55 | wurp2|working | dos1: Really? Which images? |
| 18:39.56 | slaxxin | maybe in sleep with no phone calles or anything |
| 18:40.00 | dos1 | wurp2|working: on my gta02 gsm is preatty stable |
| 18:40.29 | jucs | There's significant GSM interference and echo. At least the GSM interference is hardware-related.... as described on the mailing list... |
| 18:40.36 | wurp2|working | slaxxin: As far as I could tell, suspend/resume in vanilla FSO MS1 was completely reliable |
| 18:40.36 | slaxxin | need to repository these so called good images |
| 18:40.41 | dos1 | wurp2|working: buildhost and all repos, which i found - asu stable, testing, unstable, buildhost's, angstrom's |
| 18:40.42 | jucs | So, dos1, how did you fix this? |
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| 18:41.27 | jucs | dos1, may I call you? |
| 18:41.53 | dos1 | jucs: i don't have interference, and echo i refused with alsa mixer settings, but it is still noticable - i don't tried AT command yet |
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| 18:42.05 | dos1 | jucs - you want to call to poland? ;p |
| 18:42.14 | jucs | Yes, no problem :-P |
| 18:42.35 | slaxxin | dos is that yesterdays image? |
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| 18:43.18 | dos1 | slaxxin: i flashed image about one mouth ago, and i'm daily updating from repos |
| 18:43.44 | baba_melone | just a silly question: is it possible to play diablo II with qemu and wine... |
| 18:43.47 | lindi- | wurp2|working: isn't suspend only issue of kernel? |
| 18:44.13 | dos1 | i have latest daily kernel from buildhost, and i don't have problems with suspend |
| 18:44.16 | baba_melone | and then wrap the accelerometers around a keyboard |
| 18:44.29 | dos1 | only with bluetooth after suspend ;] |
| 18:44.38 | jucs | dos1: So your wireless lan, gps and sound still work normal after resume? |
| 18:44.47 | dos1 | jucs: yes |
| 18:44.51 | jucs | Strange... |
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| 18:45.32 | dos1 | sound - i have pulseaudio fix in /etc/apm scripts |
| 18:45.32 | jucs | You must have a have a different freerunner than me *fg* |
| 18:45.53 | dos1 | suspend is stable and is not waking up by gsm due to gsm scripts in /etc/apm ;] |
| 18:46.06 | dos1 | wlan - i don't have and didn't have problems |
| 18:46.24 | jucs | Mine is dead after suspend :-P |
| 18:46.42 | dos1 | i have only problems with stability of matchbox, pidgin and opkg :] |
| 18:47.01 | dos1 | the first i workarounded by script |
| 18:47.03 | jucs | pidgin.... always crashes while logging into XMPP :-( |
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| 18:47.21 | jucs | I've also got a matchbox-restart-script :-P |
| 18:47.22 | baba_melone | what sound system does om use |
| 18:47.26 | dos1 | jucs: mine is crashing when it has a mood to crash :P |
| 18:47.27 | baba_melone | pulseaudio |
| 18:47.30 | baba_melone | jack? |
| 18:47.38 | dos1 | baba_melone: in 2007.2 pulseaudio |
| 18:47.39 | jucs | :-P |
| 18:47.40 | yamitenshi | baba_melone: assuming you manage to cross-compile wine (or it's in the repos already), then yes, you can play diablo II with wine. Assuming you can play it with one mouse button and only very few keys, and you manage to wrap the accelerometers around a keyboard. |
| 18:47.52 | wurp2|working | lindi-: mwester made a patch for suspend/resume that requires the userspace to prepare the sound system before & after suspend/resume |
| 18:47.58 | jucs | dos1: What about your headset, is it working while calling? |
| 18:48.03 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r00cc6d91b09b 10/ (8 files in 6 dirs): |
| 18:48.03 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: SMS notification: |
| 18:48.03 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: * add IncomingMessage trigger |
| 18:48.03 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: * add MessageTone action |
| 18:48.03 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: * add rule |
| 18:48.17 | dos1 | jucs: while calling no, but i don't use it |
| 18:48.31 | dos1 | hmm, i think no |
| 18:48.35 | dos1 | i don't remember :] |
| 18:48.45 | baba_melone | and which sound system in 2008.8 |
| 18:48.58 | jucs | :-P |
| 18:48.58 | dos1 | but without call swithing to headset is working |
| 18:49.06 | dos1 | i'm sure |
| 18:49.07 | dos1 | ;] |
| 18:49.16 | jucs | Well okay, calling without the headset works so-so... but there's no way with it yet... :-P |
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| 18:49.35 | jucs | But you said something about bluetooth.... have you tried to get a bluetooth headset working? |
| 18:49.36 | baba_melone | and is mediaplayer2 using pulseaudio, too? |
| 18:49.47 | dos1 | jucs: no, i don't have bluetooth headset ;] |
| 18:49.50 | Dave | Xora, is buildhost down? |
| 18:49.53 | Dave | Hey jucs :D |
| 18:49.55 | jucs | :-D |
| 18:49.58 | jucs | Hey Dave :-P |
| 18:50.06 | jucs | Did anyone get a bluetooth-headset working? |
| 18:50.08 | dos1 | i was only playing with remoko on 2008.8 |
| 18:50.16 | Dave | :P |
| 18:50.20 | Dave | wiimoko? :P |
| 18:50.28 | Dave | XD |
| 18:50.28 | jucs | Because this would solve the problem with the interference, so I think about buying one... but Linux and bluetooth.... |
| 18:50.42 | dos1 | 2008.8 and Qtopia i have on sd card |
| 18:50.53 | dos1 | jucs: what? BlueZ has BT 2.1 certificate |
| 18:51.01 | Zorkman | jucs: linux and "everything" ... :) |
| 18:51.12 | dos1 | or somethink like that :x |
| 18:51.13 | snp | well I will try get my jabra headset working when I get the phone.. |
| 18:51.16 | dos1 | something* |
| 18:51.31 | tg | yeah i'm thinking about getting a bt headset too |
| 18:51.35 | jucs | Actually me and bluetooth... I have never ever been able to use it... |
| 18:51.36 | jucs | :-D |
| 18:51.54 | jucs | snp: So I'll be interested in the outcome :-P |
| 18:52.16 | wurp2|working | Has anyone been able to use a bt headset with a neo? |
| 18:52.23 | snp | I had problems before years ago but this new headset I bought in october has been working really well on my e90 |
| 18:52.29 | snp | jucs: will let you know :) |
| 18:52.29 | wurp2|working | I've never heard of a success with it, I don't think. |
| 18:52.35 | jucs | snp: Thanks :-) |
| 18:52.38 | XorA|gone | Dave: buildhost is off forever, see email lists |
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| 18:53.17 | Zorkman | XorA|gone: where can I get a recent 2007.2 kernel? |
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| 18:53.40 | snp | does anyone know how the mouse cursor is actually hidden in the Xserver?(would like to know cause of work related stuff) |
| 18:53.43 | XorA|gone | downloads.openmoko.org |
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| 18:55.00 | jucs | Did anyone get openmoko-mail to work? |
| 18:55.02 | phrozen77 | snp, iirc it was a startup-flag for the x server |
| 18:56.08 | PBeck | give it a option to move windows in illume? |
| 18:56.19 | snp | phrozen77: hmm... That easy? |
| 18:56.41 | snp | phrozen77: but can you still use for instance a touch screen driver? |
| 18:56.52 | snp | and use it as a "mouse pointer" |
| 18:57.05 | baba_melone | How can I turn off f*** suspend |
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| 18:57.12 | Zorkman | XorA|gone: these are all for gta01: http://downloads.openmoko.org/obsolete/snapshots/2007.08/images/ I really can't find 2007.2 kernels... |
| 18:57.15 | baba_melone | it really sucks if youre working with ssh |
| 18:57.23 | baba_melone | i cant turn it off in the settings |
| 18:57.36 | yamitenshi | baba_melone: 2008.8? |
| 18:57.40 | yamitenshi | or 2007.2? |
| 18:57.40 | baba_melone | it has no effect to switch suspend to off |
| 18:57.41 | baba_melone | yes |
| 18:57.45 | baba_melone | 2008.8 |
| 18:58.03 | yamitenshi | baba_melone: in settings, there's a suspend option. click it a few times and it shoudl say "Off" |
| 18:58.28 | baba_melone | see above: it has no effect to switch suspend to off |
| 18:58.39 | yamitenshi | Zorkman: wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 18:58.43 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03alphaone * r4623 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/sounds/startup_unintrusive.mp3: artwork/sounds: Replace startup_unintrusive.mp3 with same version as .wav |
| 18:58.44 | baba_melone | see also above: I cant turn it off in the settings |
| 18:58.51 | yamitenshi | baba_melone: it does here |
| 18:58.52 | PBeck | baba_melone: xset => switch the screensaver off |
| 18:59.22 | PBeck | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1928 baba_melone |
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| 19:00.06 | PBeck | baba_melone: you can find a workaround at this trac ticet |
| 19:00.08 | PBeck | *ticket |
| 19:00.13 | XorA|gone | Zorkman: kernel is the same for 2007.2 2008.8 FSO etc etc |
| 19:00.42 | dos1 | snp: in 2007.2 cursor is hiding by matchbox-window-manager |
| 19:00.51 | dos1 | is hidden by* |
| 19:00.54 | dos1 | eh, my english ;] |
| 19:01.17 | snp | dos1: thx, then I will look into that documentation |
| 19:01.21 | baba_melone | How can I debug music playing |
| 19:01.36 | baba_melone | or which part of the software is responsible for music playback |
| 19:01.43 | Zorkman | XorA|gone: I always upgraded my 2007.2 image, but the booting always looked very different than with 2008.8 (there were never [ 2.65997] messages for example... but I will try flashing it |
| 19:02.07 | baba_melone | mplayer or mediaplayer2 are not source of my problem |
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| 19:02.13 | baba_melone | as they both dont work |
| 19:02.28 | baba_melone | so shich software is not doing good work in my case |
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| 19:02.43 | baba_melone | what is between the speakers and mplayer |
| 19:02.50 | dos1 | baba_melone: alsa |
| 19:02.55 | alephnull | snp: You could perhaps take a look at the source of unclutter. However, be warned that it has some bad interactions with mouse-grabbing applications. |
| 19:03.21 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07artwork * re415c538ddd4 10/sounds/notify_message.mp3: add notify_message.mp3 |
| 19:03.21 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07artwork * rfcadedec0829 10/sounds/notify_message.mp3: add sms notification message to artwork/sounds |
| 19:03.22 | snp | alexxy: |
| 19:03.24 | snp | argh |
| 19:03.30 | snp | alephnull: what is unclutter? |
| 19:04.08 | alephnull | snp: http://linux.maruhn.com/sec/unclutter.html |
| 19:04.45 | snp | alephnull: gracias |
| 19:05.01 | alephnull | np |
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| 19:07.51 | baba_melone_ | How do I debug alsa |
| 19:08.03 | baba_melone_ | alsamixer does not show anything strange |
| 19:08.09 | baba_melone_ | how can I test it |
| 19:08.17 | baba_melone_ | find out why music playback doesnt work |
| 19:08.23 | baba_melone_ | phoning does work indeed |
| 19:10.32 | snp | baba_melone_: can't you just strace it while launching it in the terminal?(just a wild guess) |
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| 19:16.33 | tomer | hi. I'm trying to order my FreeRunner 900 from the US, but my PayPal account keep rejecting the transaction from Koolu. Anyone else had this problem? |
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| 19:18.56 | slaxxin | are u in the us? |
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| 19:19.15 | tomer | no, but i send it to a US address |
| 19:19.16 | slaxxin | are u going to use your phone in the us? |
| 19:19.24 | slaxxin | ok |
| 19:20.00 | tomer | can you recommand another US vendor? |
| 19:20.18 | tomer | the other official vendor does not have the 900 model in stock |
| 19:21.07 | Torikun | tomer: I ordered mine fine through Koolu |
| 19:21.24 | Torikun | Someone in my LUG bought one from Ebay |
| 19:21.26 | Torikun | worked fine |
| 19:21.44 | Torikun | tomer: I advise that you do not buy a freerunner |
| 19:22.07 | tomer | Torikun, how come? |
| 19:22.19 | Torikun | 2 unstable |
| 19:22.21 | Torikun | not useable |
| 19:22.30 | Torikun | should not be available for purchase |
| 19:22.33 | tomer | hardware issues? |
| 19:22.35 | Torikun | My podcast goes more indepth |
| 19:22.41 | Torikun | hardware is good, software is crap |
| 19:22.49 | tomer | well, give it time :D |
| 19:22.59 | tomer | you should polish the framework ;) |
| 19:22.59 | Torikun | It needs too much time |
| 19:23.10 | tomer | could you point me to your blog? |
| 19:23.11 | Torikun | http://rusher.webhop.org:69/wordpress/?page_id=116 tomer |
| 19:23.19 | tomer | that was fast :P |
| 19:23.41 | dos1 | Torikun: lol |
| 19:23.54 | dos1 | it's normal, that software for developers has bugs... |
| 19:24.02 | Torikun | dos1: not for 400 bucks |
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| 19:24.25 | wurp2|working | Torikun: The software is free ;-) |
| 19:24.27 | dos1 | and developers will be able to buy hardware, what will run their software |
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| 19:24.31 | Torikun | lol |
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| 19:24.54 | wurp2|working | You should not buy the FR if you expect a hassle-free (or even a hassle-light) phone |
| 19:25.09 | Torikun | I want to make phone calls and text with not worries at a minimum |
| 19:25.16 | wurp2|working | If you want a mobile dev platform that supports making & taking gsm calls, it's the only game in town |
| 19:25.18 | tomer | i'm looking forward for the hassle... |
| 19:25.30 | wurp2|working | Torikun: Then install FSO Milestone 2 & be happy |
| 19:25.30 | Torikun | have a backup phone |
| 19:25.47 | dos1 | Torikun: lol? in your opinion OM should extra pay by selling over costs of hardware? (hmm, i don't know that i said in english exacly what i mean ;]) |
| 19:25.47 | wurp2|working | I agree that you should have a backup phone |
| 19:25.58 | wurp2|working | I do use my gta01 as my only phone, but I also sometime lose calls |
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| 19:26.42 | tomer | lose calls? what do you mean? |
| 19:26.43 | wurp2|working | Torikun: FSO Milestone2 will make phone calls & text with no worries |
| 19:27.00 | wurp2|working | tomer: The gsm loses its connection to the network, so I don't know that I got a call |
| 19:27.56 | wurp2|working | tomer: Different releases have different problems, but every release has problems. Although afaik the only problem (other than some very minor bugs) with FSO Milestone 2 is that it is light on features |
| 19:28.30 | tomer | Torikun, did you use PayPal for the order? |
| 19:28.30 | wurp2|working | for example, no call history and no address book :-( |
| 19:28.36 | Torikun | Yes |
| 19:29.03 | Torikun | tomer: You have been warned. Do as you want ofcourse =) |
| 19:32.34 | tomer | Torikun, for now, i just can't order it |
| 19:32.56 | tomer | i'll just wait for OpenMoko to have them in stock |
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| 19:40.03 | tomer | ebay has only one, and its the 850 model |
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| 19:41.08 | Torikun | tomer: What state you in? I can give you a deal @! |
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| 19:41.46 | tomer | i live in Israel, but i want it to sent to my company in the states |
| 19:41.59 | Torikun | California I hope? |
| 19:42.26 | tomer | NJ |
| 19:42.30 | Torikun | ah |
| 19:42.38 | tomer | no go? |
| 19:42.47 | Torikun | I was hopeing you were close |
| 19:42.51 | Torikun | I can just drop it off |
| 19:43.12 | tomer | Torikun, just how many do you have in stock...? |
| 19:43.41 | Torikun | the one I bought a few weeks ago |
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| 19:43.57 | tomer | you giving up so quickly? |
| 19:44.09 | Torikun | I need something stable |
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| 19:51.45 | slaxxin | tomer how many i want? |
| 19:51.50 | danigm | hi all, I have the neo freerunner, but I cant call, I have a vodafone-es SIM 64K. Do you have problems with the sim card? |
| 19:51.53 | slaxxin | you* |
| 19:52.20 | tomer | slaxxin, heh, one would be fine for now |
| 19:52.34 | snp | danigm: looked at the list on the wiki? |
| 19:52.43 | snp | of problems with operators.. |
| 19:52.58 | slaxxin | if the contacts touch the sim holder on the edge that can short circuit the sim an cause not to register |
| 19:53.06 | tomer | danigm, where did you buy your FreeRunner? |
| 19:53.20 | danigm | I buy it by internet |
| 19:53.40 | tomer | danigm: which web site? |
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| 19:54.34 | danigm | here http://openmoko.infoblitz.net/ |
| 19:55.28 | |FiLiP| | hi all, anyone following shr ? |
| 19:56.00 | |FiLiP| | i want ot give it a shot, what build is useable (the latest daily, or is there a better one) |
| 19:56.01 | danigm | I try to call with qtopia, but neither work |
| 19:56.37 | sel1 | SHR .. no, no idea, but I also want to try it if there is some usable build |
| 19:57.12 | tomer | slaxxin: you got something? |
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| 19:57.17 | slaxxin | no |
| 19:57.41 | tomer | slaxxin: you have any idea why i cant make the buy? |
| 19:58.16 | slaxxin | might be your billing address? |
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| 19:58.51 | tomer | mmm |
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| 19:58.56 | tomer | gonna check it out |
| 19:58.57 | slaxxin | have someone at "your company in the us do it for u |
| 19:59.20 | tomer | thanks |
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| 20:02.05 | slaxxin | u might call your bank an see if they denied your transaction thinking it was a bullshiit deal |
| 20:03.14 | slaxxin | just as soon as i made my transaction my bank called an i mean immediatly ,to make sure i ordered from openmoko |
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| 20:05.05 | rooly | my bank never calls me |
| 20:05.12 | rooly | i make really random purchases all the time... |
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| 20:06.02 | slaxxin | i dont though |
| 20:06.22 | slaxxin | rooly u have 2008.8 |
| 20:06.25 | slaxxin | ? |
| 20:06.31 | miip | maybe you are on a watchlist |
| 20:06.33 | Torikun | <--2009.09.02 |
| 20:06.43 | slaxxin | i just installed 20080903 |
| 20:06.57 | slaxxin | maybe |
| 20:06.59 | rooly | slaxxin: no |
| 20:07.15 | rooly | i'm sticking with the 2007 release until it's no longer slow |
| 20:07.24 | slaxxin | ouch |
| 20:07.24 | Torikun | 2007 is old |
| 20:07.39 | rooly | but it starts up fast and i haven't had any calling trouble for a month |
| 20:07.50 | Torikun | I may switch to qtopia |
| 20:07.52 | dos1 | but 2007.2 is still better than 2008.8 |
| 20:08.00 | dos1 | i'm waiting for SHR |
| 20:08.03 | Torikun | 200808 is incomplete shit |
| 20:08.11 | Torikun | I heard that they will dtop wt and adopt FSO |
| 20:08.12 | rooly | 2008.8 is python |
| 20:08.22 | dos1 | maybe if i found enouth time i will help with SHR :] |
| 20:08.26 | Torikun | They went from GTk -> QT + GTK -> something + FSO |
| 20:08.26 | rooly | and therefore, super slow |
| 20:08.48 | dos1 | Torikun: lolwut? FSO is not a toolkit |
| 20:08.56 | Torikun | APPS |
| 20:09.00 | rooly | qt is stupid slow, python is stupid slow, combining the two is stupider slow |
| 20:09.03 | Torikun | for the calling base dos1 |
| 20:09.13 | dos1 | oh, sorry |
| 20:09.14 | dos1 | ;] |
| 20:09.15 | Torikun | They need to have a stable base |
| 20:09.22 | Torikun | that is what pisses me off |
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| 20:09.22 | Infoport | hi all! hehe my bank called to make sure also (even though I make random purchases too-- they didn't question buying cars via creditcard>Paypal) |
| 20:09.28 | dos1 | rooly: gtk is slower :( |
| 20:09.35 | dos1 | than qt |
| 20:09.52 | rooly | if gtk is slower, why does it startup in a 3rd the time |
| 20:10.01 | Torikun | QT = fail |
| 20:10.16 | rooly | why does my phone finish booting in under a minute using 2007, as opposed to 2 minutes or more using qt |
| 20:10.26 | dos1 | rooly: what does startup time with used toolkit? |
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| 20:10.35 | rooly | why is my battery life twice as long using 2007 |
| 20:10.49 | rooly | dos1: i'm more comparing the merits of each OS |
| 20:10.54 | rooly | not so much the toolkit |
| 20:11.04 | dos1 | rooly: so say 2007.2 and 2008.8, no gtk and qt |
| 20:11.05 | dos1 | :P |
| 20:11.12 | lpotter | qt is not slow |
| 20:11.13 | rooly | i'm sorry |
| 20:11.31 | rooly | qt IS slow, quothe the raster |
| 20:11.36 | Torikun | GREAT SUCCESS! lol |
| 20:11.41 | rooly | lemme rephrase |
| 20:11.42 | lpotter | x is slow |
| 20:11.49 | rooly | the qtopia x11 port is slow |
| 20:12.22 | Torikun | lpotter: I here a web browser will be released soon? |
| 20:12.29 | Torikun | for QT |
| 20:12.40 | rooly | ...google chrome... |
| 20:12.42 | rooly | snickers |
| 20:12.50 | leinir | Torikun: Along with the Qtopia 4.4 release :) |
| 20:12.54 | Bill_ | Torikun: with 4.4 afaik |
| 20:12.56 | Torikun | will wifi work |
| 20:13.33 | Bill_ | lpotter: btw.. do you know of the bug, that when a call comes in with latst image.. it gets registered twice |
| 20:14.12 | Bill_ | and even when you send busy to one of them the other keeps ringing :) |
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| 20:14.48 | slaxxin | didnt mean to cause a FLAME war |
| 20:14.53 | Torikun | GNU/OpenMoko! |
| 20:14.56 | malik1972 | Bill_: have the same issue and i got my first wsofd:-) |
| 20:15.19 | Bill_ | but the new "Smart" theme is really nice.. altho the keylock removing numpad is about 9th of the scren |
| 20:15.40 | Bill_ | malik1972: heh.. old :) you get used to getting the battery out :) |
| 20:15.48 | slaxxin | like a silly high school homecoming |
| 20:16.11 | Torikun | FLAME ON @! |
| 20:16.44 | malik1972 | Bill_: i thought it would be a myth... |
| 20:17.00 | Bill_ | oh trust me.. it's no myth |
| 20:17.45 | Infoport | are there actually updates available to 2008.8 now? |
| 20:18.14 | Infoport | I have been using OM2007 for the features and stability, but I could boot to the other partitions some too |
| 20:18.39 | Torikun | Infoport: there are daily updates to 20080808 |
| 20:20.00 | Infoport | Torikun, oh no, not going to trick me-- do you mean the Aug 8 release of OM2007, or the ASU/2008.8 release? |
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| 20:20.43 | Infoport | Torikun do you mean official updates, or the ones provided by Zecke? |
| 20:21.14 | Torikun | official I guess |
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| 20:21.31 | Torikun | Infoport: 2008.08 is actualy 2009.09.03 |
| 20:21.38 | Mononoke | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.47 | Torikun | opkg update will give you updates daily most of the time |
| 20:21.50 | Torikun | still works like ass though |
| 20:23.23 | Infoport | Torikun, hmm... glad I have them on separate partitions then. I notice updates for the Qtopia image too, guess I have some maintaining to do on my FR |
| 20:23.55 | johnsu01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.58 | Torikun | yup |
| 20:24.01 | johnsu01 | sighs |
| 20:24.50 | slaxxin | yea that 4.3,3 image has handwriting recog |
| 20:25.01 | Infoport | anybody know about the Qtopia binary update? Is it made to only handle Qtopia as main image, or works on a partition? |
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| 20:25.54 | slaxxin | Fixed: sms messages not retrieved after resume. Qtopia getting confused between two calls. Make default call volume down and mic up. Added echo fix. |
| 20:27.36 | slaxxin | an the call volume was too low imho |
| 20:28.02 | slaxxin | mic wasbetter though |
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| 20:29.46 | RayDar | Whole lotta folks here |
| 20:30.22 | Tig| | shhh most of them are sleeping :) |
| 20:30.41 | RayDar | Ain't it always the case? |
| 20:30.44 | Tig| | or quitting :) |
| 20:31.09 | RayDar | It's nap time in tinkle town. |
| 20:31.30 | Tig| | GMT+2 ? |
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| 20:33.01 | RayDar | GMT+2 is sleepyville, GMT+8 is tinkle town |
| 20:34.00 | RayDar | is in silly valley |
| 20:34.15 | Tig| | +8 is wakey wakey good morning :) |
| 20:34.58 | RayDar | is thinking about replacing his lightswitches with zwave ones |
| 20:35.08 | peter__b | i just installed mplayer |
| 20:35.13 | peter__b | damn its slow |
| 20:35.23 | RayDar | hehe |
| 20:35.28 | Infoport | ok, looks like the Qtopia update script is independent of where it is installed, as long as it is booted |
| 20:35.31 | peter__b | is there something useable for playing videos ? |
| 20:35.36 | RayDar | peter__b: Can you actually play videos? |
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| 20:35.56 | peter__b | yeah+ |
| 20:36.33 | peter__b | just tried an old small mpeg |
| 20:36.33 | peter__b | runs with about 3fps |
| 20:36.35 | RayDar | peter__b: There is/was an open source video player called TCPMP for Palm (and I think later for Windows Mobile) that does a fine job of playing video and MP3 audio. Perhaps that could be ported. |
| 20:36.45 | peter__b | no matter if i se xv x11 or sdl |
| 20:38.18 | peter__b | +nobody tried the glamo accelerated mplayer version ? |
| 20:38.28 | wurp2|working | peter__b: Do you have balrog-kun's patched mplayer that uses the hw acceleration? |
| 20:38.28 | peter__b | wasnt able to get it compilde |
| 20:38.46 | peter__b | :-) |
| 20:38.48 | wurp2|working | Sorry, you answered my Q while I was asking it :-) |
| 20:39.16 | wurp2|working | I would think there would be a precompiled ipk somewhere |
| 20:39.19 | wurp2|working | but I dunno where |
| 20:40.38 | peter__b | asks google |
| 20:44.11 | wurp2|working | peter__b: What is the resolution of the mpeg? |
| 20:44.29 | wurp2|working | 'cause you're going to get crap framerates on anything bigger than 320x240, anyway |
| 20:45.26 | peter__b | its 352x240 |
| 20:45.45 | peter__b | is looking for another mpg |
| 20:46.11 | wurp2|working | That shouldn't be that slow... |
| 20:46.51 | slaxxin | how big is the debian install 500megs? |
| 20:46.55 | write_erase | Are accelerometers always on or they can be disabled for power management ? |
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| 20:48.03 | CVirus | write_erase: would they consume any power if no application is already using them ? |
| 20:48.29 | Infoport | hmm I didn't ever fix booting for Qtopia after I borked the phone, looks like something is wrong with my uBoot command, or the image |
| 20:48.38 | hb9egm | hi, what's the best way to delete all contacts in the addressbook? (2008.8) |
| 20:49.13 | Infoport | guess I'll boot a diff OS and poke around |
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| 20:49.47 | write_erase | CVirus, this is what I'd like to know... |
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| 20:50.04 | CVirus | write_erase: same |
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| 20:56.18 | Deubeuliou | I'm trying to build an ipkg for arora, a web browser, based on webkit |
| 20:56.24 | Infoport | off for a bit while ASU updates (I notice that Zecke's repo fails-- he must have pull it after official repo came up) |
| 20:57.27 | Deubeuliou | but I can't figure out how to do that. the Toolchain tutorial isn't clear enough |
| 20:57.28 | paroneayea | what are people using for external keyboards? |
| 20:57.32 | paroneayea | I'm looking at a frogpad, but it's so expensive |
| 20:58.43 | wurp2|working | paroneayea: iGo Think Outside |
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| 21:05.15 | paroneayea | wurp2|working: looks interesting... thanks |
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| 21:06.50 | wurp2|working | paroneayea: welcome :-) |
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| 21:09.08 | harnir | hi |
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| 21:18.52 | RayDar | I guess ASCII isn't forever |
| 21:19.03 | md2k7 | lol |
| 21:19.10 | slaxxin | cant get illum-config to install-fatal |
| 21:27.11 | md2k7 | another of my belowed program trackdowns: |
| 21:27.32 | md2k7 | which program turns off the screen when you are in a phone call? |
| 21:27.40 | md2k7 | (2008.8) |
| 21:27.53 | rooly | it's not the dialer itself? |
| 21:27.57 | md2k7 | i *hope* that it is not the dialer?! |
| 21:28.02 | md2k7 | ? |
| 21:28.16 | rooly | i don't know, just would figure that the dialer would do that |
| 21:28.35 | md2k7 | well, can i get access to the bloody qtopia dialer's source...? |
| 21:28.42 | mjr | yes |
| 21:28.48 | md2k7 | where? |
| 21:28.51 | rooly | it's supposed to be open source, so you should |
| 21:29.15 | md2k7 | trolltechs qtopia site isnt exactly verbose on that |
| 21:29.20 | mjr | I s'pose the trolls have it somewhere |
| 21:29.32 | mjr | ask ljp, he's the local evangelist |
| 21:29.38 | md2k7 | :D |
| 21:29.44 | rooly | sighs |
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| 21:29.50 | rooly | chrome has a huge codebase |
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| 21:30.46 | leinirAWAY | Because they don't believe in standing on other people's shoulders... |
| 21:30.46 | rooly | i've been downloading their svn for probably an hour and a half now |
| 21:31.11 | rooly | i think google's gonna get evil in the not to distant future |
| 21:31.59 | mjr | they are kinda circling around evil, yes |
| 21:32.26 | ShellEvil | hides. |
| 21:32.38 | CVirus | google is yet another "smart" monopoly |
| 21:32.38 | Sargun | Any update on: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/676 |
| 21:32.39 | CVirus | palyed well |
| 21:36.05 | Deubeuliou | how can I have raster's keyboard ? I had it once, but now it is gone :/ |
| 21:36.30 | md2k7 | Deubeuliou: how gone? don't have the qwerty button anymore? |
| 21:37.52 | Deubeuliou | yes, I have it. but it pops the keyboard that doesn't have a tab button, have the predictive thing etc. |
| 21:37.58 | Deubeuliou | I think I have found :) |
| 21:38.02 | Deubeuliou | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_install_the_illume_.28Raster.27s.29_keyboard_.3F |
| 21:38.53 | md2k7 | just turn the old one off |
| 21:39.05 | md2k7 | 2. add "export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1" in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia (Turn off buildin qtopia keyboard) |
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| 21:41.11 | md2k7 | just downloaded a 110 MB Qtopia source tarball to notice that it contains everything but just no dialer |
| 21:42.01 | md2k7 | or maybe i'm too dumb to find it |
| 21:42.08 | Deubeuliou | yeah, thanks :) |
| 21:42.53 | slaxxin | why is not the better looking theme on the media player? |
| 21:45.56 | md2k7 | well its not the dialer |
| 21:46.10 | md2k7 | but it might still be the qt stuff, am i right? |
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| 21:50.48 | sledgeas | hi |
| 21:52.24 | RayDar | ho |
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| 21:53.38 | sledgeas | df -h reports my rootfs to be 256MB: rootfs 246.6M 76.6M 170.0M 31% / -- how's that? (my FR's DateCode is 20080725) |
| 21:53.51 | Mononoke | woha remoko is cool |
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| 21:55.08 | sledgeas | did they increase the internal SDram until 256MB with new stock of FRs? |
| 21:55.49 | slaxxin | Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/all/illume-config-illume_0.0+svnr35693-r13_all.ipk, error 404 |
| 21:55.55 | md2k7 | also gets 256MB reported |
| 21:56.03 | mmontour | No, SDRAM is still 128M (use "free" not "df"). The NAND flash is 256M on Freerunner, 64M on Neo1973. |
| 21:56.44 | md2k7 | slaxxin: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/all/illume-config-illume_0.0+svnr35727-r13_all.ipk |
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| 21:58.02 | slaxxin | thanks |
| 21:58.27 | md2k7 | maybe we should update the link in the wiki, altough its not difficult to find the file |
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| 21:59.21 | slaxxin | opkg update |
| 21:59.49 | md2k7 | mhm |
| 21:59.54 | slaxxin | Package illume-config-illume md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'. |
| 22:00.26 | edistar | force it |
| 22:00.53 | SpeedEvil | passes slaxxin some package lube. |
| 22:01.01 | slaxxin | lol |
| 22:01.25 | slaxxin | same |
| 22:01.43 | slaxxin | opkg install -force-overwrite install http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/all/illume-config-illume_0.0+svnr35727-r13_all.ipk |
| 22:02.00 | slaxxin | Package illume-config-illume md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'. |
| 22:02.27 | slaxxin | i couldnt get the installer to do it either |
| 22:02.29 | edistar | the package is broken |
| 22:02.35 | edistar | where did you get it from? |
| 22:02.56 | slaxxin | i tried the installer first |
| 22:02.57 | md2k7 | interesting, i seem to remember it worked for me. maybe that was an older version |
| 22:03.09 | edistar | try a different package |
| 22:03.29 | slaxxin | i dont know which to pic |
| 22:04.01 | edistar | just take another one |
| 22:04.37 | edistar | any other |
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| 22:07.23 | Mononoke | slaxxin: do opkg -force-reinstall -force-overwrite install illume-config-illume illumine-keyboard-(one you want from opkg list | grep illumine-keyboard) |
| 22:08.59 | ieatlint | note to guy who just cut me off at a stop sign: don't do it when a cop is immediately behind you |
| 22:09.33 | edistar | hehe |
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| 22:21.09 | bricode | anyone have any sane .asoundrc files for gta02? |
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| 22:24.29 | slaxxin | The requested URL /repository/testing/all/illume-config-illume_0.0+svnr35693-r13_all.ipk was not found on this server. |
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| 22:28.52 | slaxxin | raster has ran off with all the good keyboards |
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| 22:30.19 | lindi- | slaxxin: i wish illume keyboard could be a standalone program |
| 22:30.49 | slaxxin | can u link me to a file? |
| 22:31.12 | lindi- | which file? |
| 22:31.17 | edistar | lindi-: I wish that too.. |
| 22:31.39 | lindi- | anyways, i have garbled sound, any idea what's the easiest way to record a sample? |
| 22:31.39 | edistar | lindi-: illume still doesn't compile? |
| 22:31.51 | lindi- | edistar: it does but i haven't figured out how to activate the keyboard module |
| 22:31.58 | edistar | via dbus afaik |
| 22:32.07 | slaxxin | the http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/all/illume-config-illume_0.0+svnr35693-r13_all.ipk, |
| 22:32.07 | lindi- | rright |
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| 22:32.25 | slaxxin | or a correct file |
| 22:32.44 | slaxxin | acts like the server is down |
| 22:33.03 | slaxxin | maybe i need reboot |
| 22:36.29 | paroneayea | so, something on the fso/qtopia/etc branches seem to be automatically switching between different alsa states |
| 22:36.41 | paroneayea | this doesn't seem to be the case on debian, at least not for the 1973 |
| 22:36.56 | edistar | qtopia does that |
| 22:37.03 | lindi- | paroneayea: fso-frameworkd does alsactl restore |
| 22:37.17 | lindi- | paroneayea: on debian |
| 22:37.31 | paroneayea | lindi-: ah really? how come it doesn't seem to work for the 1973, I wonder... |
| 22:37.36 | lindi- | paroneayea: strace |
| 22:37.38 | paroneayea | maybe it's just not set up to switch states on the 1973... |
| 22:37.49 | paroneayea | you know, I had to install these states manually |
| 22:37.51 | edistar | lindi-: milestone 3 will be ready this weekend, so debian fso packages will be updated soon I presume? |
| 22:38.00 | lindi- | edistar: ask nomeata :) |
| 22:38.07 | paroneayea | because they didn't work on the 1973 earlier |
| 22:38.34 | lindi- | edistar: all incoming audio is garbled and barely understandable, i'd like to figure out a way to record a sample of this to a bug report :) |
| 22:38.39 | edistar | paroneayea: ah, the states are different for each device |
| 22:39.03 | paroneayea | edistar: how should I know where to place the state files that fso-frameworkd uses? |
| 22:39.16 | lindi- | paroneayea: dpkg -L fso-frameworkd | grep state |
| 22:39.22 | edistar | lindi-: isn't there a convenient cli tool that records straight through alsa? |
| 22:39.32 | lindi- | edistar: i only found wishlist items in wiki |
| 22:39.42 | edistar | paroneayea: where it always is.. |
| 22:40.18 | edistar | lindi-: but you can tell alsa to pipe it to a file |
| 22:40.28 | edistar | and that file will contain raw audio |
| 22:40.32 | paroneayea | lindi-: Oh! I see |
| 22:40.51 | lindi- | edistar: but does alsa see the audio? |
| 22:41.01 | edistar | it should! |
| 22:41.02 | lindi- | edistar: i think the audio path goes directly from gsm chip to speaker |
| 22:41.09 | lindi- | edistar: and not through the ARM processor |
| 22:41.19 | SpeedEvil | lindi-: not quite |
| 22:41.32 | lindi- | but it can be reconfigured with alsa i suppose |
| 22:41.34 | edistar | lindi-: maybe ask mickey, he indicated once that it's possible to route through alsa |
| 22:41.34 | SpeedEvil | lindi-: it first goes through a maze of twisty mixers, all the same |
| 22:41.55 | SpeedEvil | lindi-: the mixer chip is horrifically configurable. |
| 22:42.01 | lindi- | anyways, what i hear sounds like really heavy sound compression |
| 22:42.19 | paroneayea | lindi-: ok, so the files that come with that package are for the freerunner. I have some which work with the 1973 |
| 22:42.23 | edistar | I think mic input goes directly to gsm |
| 22:42.39 | paroneayea | should I package a 1973-specific package or something? |
| 22:42.39 | lindi- | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:WM8753_ALSA_Mapping.png |
| 22:42.39 | SpeedEvil | edistar: it doesn't, it's goes through the mixer chip. |
| 22:42.53 | edistar | SpeedEvil: ah, okey |
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| 22:44.16 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4d9a7d72577c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (modems/abstract/mediator.py objects.py): |
| 22:44.16 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: remove strength field in Status() callback and result, _if_ |
| 22:44.16 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: * we are successfully registered and |
| 22:44.17 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: * signal strength has been reported as 0 |
| 22:44.18 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: This is actually a race condition in some modems. |
| 22:46.19 | marcel_m | bricode: ping |
| 22:46.31 | bricode | marcel_m: Howdy. |
| 22:46.36 | marcel_m | hi |
| 22:46.52 | torindel | hmm is there any place where i can get daily built kernels with modules? some time ago there where on http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ |
| 22:46.58 | bricode | Was wondering, are you the host of the "celtune" repo? |
| 22:47.06 | marcel_m | yes its mine |
| 22:47.23 | bricode | marcel_m: based on the OE bitbake stuff? |
| 22:47.30 | marcel_m | the server is (rabenfrost) is hosted by josch |
| 22:47.46 | marcel_m | bricode: yes |
| 22:48.06 | bricode | marcel_m: Would you be willing to mirror it? |
| 22:48.07 | slaxxin | i guess it installed anyways |
| 22:48.22 | marcel_m | yes why not :) |
| 22:48.45 | bricode | marcel_m: Cool. There are some handy packages in there. |
| 22:49.12 | marcel_m | oh thanks nice to see that they are usefull :) |
| 22:49.44 | Zorkman | seconds that, celtune has come in VERY handy |
| 22:50.01 | marcel_m | tx Zorkman :) |
| 22:50.50 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r672b152c46d4 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Test MT and MO PDUs and fix some sms. instead of self. errors |
| 22:50.51 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * rf6cd13c2196d 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): (log message trimmed) |
| 22:50.51 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix various functions in convert.py and padding/udl calculation |
| 22:50.52 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: in PDU generation |
| 22:50.54 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: convert.py: |
| 22:50.56 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: * encodePDUNumber is new and supports alphanumeric addresses as well |
| 22:50.58 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: * bcd_encode works with odd numbers of digits |
| 22:51.00 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: * pack_sevenbit now correctly handles padding |
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| 22:53.15 | lindi- | hmm, i need faraday's cage for my audio recording instruments or i'll only hear gsm interference :P |
| 22:53.28 | edistar | lindi-: ask faraday! |
| 22:53.39 | edistar | faraday: ping ;) |
| 22:53.57 | edistar | lindi-: seriously, I can't reproduce the problem.. |
| 22:54.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | can lend you a shed with faraday-cage liike properties |
| 22:54.00 | edistar | when you call? |
| 22:55.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | my shed does it to radio, not gsm (thankfully) |
| 22:56.06 | edistar | other way round would be better, then you could relax more and tell your boss the call didn't go through ;) |
| 22:57.17 | *** part/#openmoko b0ib0t (n=Administ@pool-64-222-117-81.burl.east.verizon.net) |
| 22:57.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe. |
| 22:58.28 | lindi- | retrying, now the mic is inside anti-static plastic bag |
| 23:01.24 | lindi- | hrm, the gsm intererence is still pretty strong |
| 23:01.47 | edistar | strange |
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| 23:02.01 | edistar | have you tried to apply the AT command to the modem? |
| 23:02.19 | edistar | the one about the echo reduction? |
| 23:02.22 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r652eac1c7111 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [om-locations] Set om-locations to use 0.2 branch of om-locations git. |
| 23:02.22 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r9159585838c6 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] Bump up the revision of Om-locations |
| 23:02.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r514f5d86bf50 10/packages/openmoko2/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-sound-system2: make pulseaudio stops listening for TCP by default |
| 23:02.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rf00063ace9cd 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (2 files in 2 dirs): xserver-kdrive-common: stop Xserver from listening for TCP by default |
| 23:02.26 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r27c6b483d277 10/packages/xorg-app/ (xterm/xterm.desktop xterm/xterm.png xterm_207.bb): xterm: add desktop and png icon |
| 23:02.29 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rc8e1e1c1970e 10/packages/tzdata/tzdata_2007k.bb: tzdata: add localtime in conffiles |
| 23:02.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r5202ad13eab0 10/packages/busybox/ (busybox_1.9.1.bb files/hwclock.sh): busybox: update hwclock.sh to honor the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS |
| 23:02.33 | lindi- | edistar: not yet |
| 23:02.35 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * ra73b36e8e836 10/packages/sysvinit/ (sysvinit/openmoko/rcS-default sysvinit_2.86.bb): sysvinit: switch openmoko distro to use UTC=yes by default |
| 23:02.40 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rc2b6736dbf31 10/packages/dropbear/ (dropbear.inc dropbear/openmoko/default dropbear_0.49.bb): dropbear: improve dropbear security by listening only on usb0 by default |
| 23:03.10 | edistar | lindi-: try, it's quite easy to test |
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| 23:06.22 | sledgeas | hello |
| 23:06.27 | edistar | hi |
| 23:06.43 | sledgeas | hey edistar, i have solved my problems with supposedly bad blocks |
| 23:07.09 | sledgeas | simple the kernel was not correctly downloaded and the testing* kernels did not want to give me USB ether until todays uimage release yay ;) |
| 23:08.01 | sledgeas | now i am installing Debian on SD (from within FR) -- it looks like it's taking a while, and for starnge reason my battery is not being charged: Off-line, battery status low: 34% (1:06:00) |
| 23:08.18 | lindi- | edistar: i really wish there was some global free test number :) |
| 23:08.19 | edistar | sledgeas: ah, super! |
| 23:08.30 | edistar | lindi-: yeah, that'd be quite handy.. |
| 23:08.36 | sledgeas | yeah! ;) im happy again lol and diving into experiments |
| 23:08.56 | edistar | you don't have a contract with lots of minutes, or free phoning within telfort, do you? :P |
| 23:09.24 | sledgeas | lol same here. free sms would also be great |
| 23:09.45 | mmontour | sledgeas: what does "cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode" say? |
| 23:09.53 | edistar | sledgeas: dutch? |
| 23:09.58 | sledgeas | nope |
| 23:10.04 | sledgeas | in italy now (but not italian lol) |
| 23:10.11 | edistar | okey |
| 23:10.11 | sledgeas | mmontour: play-only |
| 23:10.34 | mmontour | try "echo 1" to that file. That should re-enable the charger |
| 23:11.09 | edistar | lindi-: well, don't know any dutch free number ;) |
| 23:11.18 | sledgeas | nope, still off-line mmontour, and still play-only |
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| 23:11.48 | sledgeas | (using 20080903 kernel and 20080902 Om2008 to installing deb) |
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| 23:12.15 | mmontour | hmm, can you pastebin the output of "cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/dump_regs"? I don't have time now but I'll look at it later |
| 23:13.49 | sledgeas | ko mmontour: http://pastebin.com/m5e92864e (i am afraid to tap on the screen, as then FR would wake up (or looks like it's not dimmed anyway) and on its next suspend it disconnects the usb. i am about to over half of deb's installation :) |
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| 23:15.17 | mmontour | thanks. Hope Debian finishes before your battery runs out. |
| 23:15.29 | sledgeas | :D yeap, and thanks to you |
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| 23:17.11 | sledgeas | now it's around 130th (out of 266) `Selecting previously deselected package libhal1' and performing unpacks -- this all during apt-get update (i dunno why is it performed still without having booted into Deb) |
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| 23:20.47 | lindi- | edistar: hear http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/testcall1.openmoko.ogg vs. http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/testcall1.landline.ogg |
| 23:21.32 | *** part/#openmoko igor321 (n=igor@238-148.dsl.iskon.hr) |
| 23:23.56 | edistar | lindi-: ah, of course a world of difference |
| 23:24.13 | lindi- | edistar: well, i am not worried about the gsm interference |
| 23:24.28 | lindi- | edistar: but the audio itself is somehow garbled |
| 23:24.40 | lindi- | edistar: the gsm interference just makes it difficult to record a sample of the problem |
| 23:24.49 | edistar | lindi-: why don't I have that problem? what's your setup? |
| 23:25.19 | lindi- | edistar: just normal debian installation. it worked two days ago and i don't think i changed any software |
| 23:25.42 | lindi- | i installed invisible shield though, maybe some moisture is causing trouble? |
| 23:26.15 | edistar | just to make sure you'd have to take it off, but usually.. |
| 23:27.01 | lindi- | i'll reboot to stock FSO image to test |
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| 23:34.07 | paroneayea | anyone figure out how to use the AUX button + pressing the screen to emulate a right click? |
| 23:34.38 | lindi- | yes |
| 23:34.44 | paroneayea | :O |
| 23:34.46 | paroneayea | sweeet |
| 23:34.46 | RayDar | paroneayea: I didn't know that was possible. |
| 23:35.11 | paroneayea | oh yeah! hey, found a link |
| 23:35.12 | paroneayea | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td727878 |
| 23:35.27 | lindi- | javascript-only link |
| 23:35.48 | lindi- | edistar: now that's odd, with FSO image i hear nothing when i call |
| 23:35.51 | edistar | you don't activate js? |
| 23:36.07 | lindi- | not in elinks |
| 23:36.13 | edistar | aah, ok |
| 23:36.14 | lindi- | and in iceweasel i have noscript |
| 23:37.18 | lindi- | paroneayea: http://iki.fi/lindi/right-click-with-aux and you don't have to recompile your input driver :) |
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| 23:37.26 | lindi- | paroneayea: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/right-click-with-aux and you don't have to recompile your input driver :) |
| 23:38.48 | paroneayea | lindi-: sweet! |
| 23:39.56 | paroneayea | lindi-: my, that script is clever ;) |
| 23:42.27 | edistar | it's lindi-s ;) |
| 23:43.48 | lindi- | now, i'm bit worried about there's some hardware problem :( |
| 23:44.06 | paroneayea | why? |
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| 23:44.40 | lindi- | since i installed invisible shield yesterday and now i hear garbled voice under debian and no voice under FSO |
| 23:45.06 | edistar | no voice at all? |
| 23:45.14 | Sargun | Where did http://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac/browser/trunk/www.openmoko.com/htdocs/opportunities-verticals-dash-openmoko.html?rev=342 go? |
| 23:45.22 | edistar | maybe antenna is loose? |
| 23:45.33 | lindi- | edistar: gprs works |
| 23:45.42 | lindi- | edistar: signal level is ok |
| 23:45.47 | edistar | oh, okey |
| 23:46.32 | edistar | mic might be loose, it looked very weak to me.. |
| 23:47.51 | lindi- | but under FSO both audio input and output are completely silent during call |
| 23:48.02 | lindi- | so it can't be just mic |
| 23:48.33 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4619b9d748c5 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: enable noise reducation and echo cancelling |
| 23:48.39 | edistar | can't be hw then.. has FSO worked before? |
| 23:48.43 | Sargun | neat. |
| 23:48.56 | lindi- | edistar: yes |
| 23:49.21 | donomo | is there a source for FSO daily builds? my old source has stopped updating: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D |
| 23:49.34 | edistar | must be hw then? |
| 23:49.46 | edistar | donomo: yes, of course.. git.freesmartphone.org |
| 23:50.09 | donomo | edistar: im looking for builds, not source |
| 23:50.20 | lindi- | edistar: i'm afraid so yes |
| 23:50.41 | lindi- | maybe i should open it and look for moisture |
| 23:50.51 | edistar | donomo: you can find them at shr.bearstech.com |
| 23:51.02 | edistar | donomo: you asked for source ;) |
| 23:51.12 | donomo | ;) |
| 23:51.24 | edistar | lindi-: rather a shame that uploading the rootfs doesn't work |
| 23:51.51 | donomo | edistar: this looks good. thanks. http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/images/neo1973/ |
| 23:51.53 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r910b19406847 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [task-openmoko-asu] Bump PR after we have made some changes to the content |
| 23:51.53 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r652eac1c7111 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [om-locations] Set om-locations to use 0.2 branch of om-locations git. |
| 23:51.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r9159585838c6 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-locations] Bump up the revision of Om-locations |
| 23:51.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r514f5d86bf50 10/packages/openmoko2/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-sound-system2: make pulseaudio stops listening for TCP by default |
| 23:51.57 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf00063ace9cd 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (2 files in 2 dirs): xserver-kdrive-common: stop Xserver from listening for TCP by default |
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| 23:52.00 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r27c6b483d277 10/packages/xorg-app/ (xterm/xterm.desktop xterm/xterm.png xterm_207.bb): xterm: add desktop and png icon |
| 23:52.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc8e1e1c1970e 10/packages/tzdata/tzdata_2007k.bb: tzdata: add localtime in conffiles |
| 23:52.06 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5202ad13eab0 10/packages/busybox/ (busybox_1.9.1.bb files/hwclock.sh): busybox: update hwclock.sh to honor the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS |
| 23:52.20 | edistar | lindi-: try to output some sound via mplayer or so |
| 23:52.22 | edistar | on FSO |
| 23:52.34 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra73b36e8e836 10/packages/sysvinit/ (sysvinit/openmoko/rcS-default sysvinit_2.86.bb): sysvinit: switch openmoko distro to use UTC=yes by default |
| 23:52.34 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc2b6736dbf31 10/packages/dropbear/ (dropbear.inc dropbear/openmoko/default dropbear_0.49.bb): dropbear: improve dropbear security by listening only on usb0 by default |
| 23:52.34 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r7c15473b300e 10/ (17 files in 15 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.testing' into org.openmoko.asu.stable |
| 23:52.38 | lindi- | edistar: on debian it works at least with mplayer |
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| 23:52.54 | edistar | okey, so it can't be completely broken |
| 23:53.00 | lambda | hi everybody |
| 23:53.03 | edistar | hi |
| 23:53.54 | mattl | this is strange. on qtopia, software packages consistently quits due to application error. |
| 23:54.03 | edistar | mattl: reboot |
| 23:54.05 | lambda | i am currently chatting by using pidgin 2.2.1 on fso |
| 23:54.23 | edistar | lambda: nice |
| 23:55.10 | Sargun | nice. |
| 23:55.17 | Sargun | take a screenshot! |
| 23:55.27 | edistar | Sargun: there a loads of pidgin.. |
| 23:55.50 | Sargun | uhm |
| 23:55.50 | hipitihop | on 2008.8-upgraded when I initiate a call, there is no audio for the ring. Once establisged the audio is fine. Any pointers ? |
| 23:55.56 | Sargun | install XGL on the phone. |
| 23:56.02 | Sargun | AIGLX |
| 23:56.06 | edistar | no |
| 23:56.07 | lambda | i notice many soft i installed don't display a shortcut on the 'home' |
| 23:56.11 | edistar | don't torture it |
| 23:56.12 | Sargun | and tell me how it turns out |
| 23:56.21 | Sargun | The phone will probably turn into a pile of crap. |
| 23:56.22 | lambda | how managing the shortcuts? |
| 23:56.33 | edistar | lambda: /usr/share/applications/*.desktop |
| 23:56.38 | lambda | ok |
| 23:56.40 | edistar | create/change one of those |
| 23:56.44 | mattl | edistar: trying it now. i notice a lot of 'splash-write applet not found' when its loading. any ideas? |
| 23:57.03 | edistar | oh, maybe a broken image |
| 23:58.24 | hipitihop | notices a tone of updates coming through this morn for 2008.08-upgraded |
