| 00:01.44 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07fso-makefile * rf2f6b286ec10 10/Makefile: |
| 00:01.44 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Download common directory from git repository. |
| 00:01.44 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Rod Whitby <rod@whitby.id.au> |
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| 00:04.34 | Dave | KenYoung: yes please! |
| 00:05.00 | Dave | Categories=GTK;Application;PIM |
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| 00:06.36 | rwhitby | add Office to make it appear in FSO |
| 00:06.42 | KenYoung | Dave, I'll do that for the 2007.2 .ipk file, for sure. Do you know what the categories do under 2008.8? It's not clear to me how they work,if indeed they do anything, under 2008.8. |
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| 00:08.14 | KenYoung | rwhitby, Dave's compalint is that I *did* add office, which makes it show up in the default list, which he doesn't like. At least that's my understanding of his unhappiness. |
| 00:09.14 | rwhitby | KenYoung: as the application author, I'd expect you'd want it to show up twice on Dave's machine, rather than not at all on FSO machines |
| 00:12.12 | white_gecko | good night |
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| 01:04.39 | slaxxin | i guess im missing something for pidgin on 2008.9 |
| 01:05.36 | slaxxin | i have everything with dependencies done except for gtk+ it cant seem to find |
| 01:06.14 | slaxxin | Installing pidgin (2.5.0-r0) to root... |
| 01:06.14 | slaxxin | Installing gtk+ (2.12.11-r3) to root... |
| 01:06.26 | slaxxin | ERROR: Package gtk+ (parent gtk+) is not available from any configured src. |
| 01:06.26 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:12.59 | Torikun | Dave: you in SF? |
| 01:13.56 | Torikun | meeting tommorow |
| 01:15.17 | Dave | I won't be able to make it, no :( |
| 01:15.19 | Dave | and yeah |
| 01:15.22 | Dave | sucky :\ |
| 01:15.30 | Dave | Too much shit going on, unfortunately. |
| 01:15.40 | Dave | I am quite disappointed, but unfortunately, real life takes priority. |
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| 01:21.01 | Torikun | =( |
| 01:22.15 | Torikun | I was hoping to meet your rude ass |
| 01:22.15 | Torikun | oh well |
| 01:22.15 | Torikun | lol |
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| 02:06.27 | slaxxin | pidgin is dependency hell |
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| 02:18.17 | johngay | So, where do I get an adaptor that lets me plug devices into my FR? |
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| 02:41.10 | Cthobs | Will dropbear allow an sshd_config I can ban root ssh with? |
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| 02:47.43 | slaxxin | miniusb |
| 02:48.05 | slaxxin | need a miniusb hub |
| 02:48.22 | slaxxin | that has poweer |
| 02:49.06 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1948: [Boot screen]Please Change initial Boot to uBoot-image ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1948 ) |
| 02:49.09 | slaxxin | mini router |
| 02:50.32 | slaxxin | root@om-gta02:(unknown)# |
| 02:50.46 | slaxxin | wget: can't open 'libstdc%2B%2B-dev_4.2.4-r3_armv4t.ipk': No space left on device |
| 02:51.38 | slaxxin | thats funny i just deleted everything in home!!!! |
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| 03:29.39 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r7a5f19107b65 10/packages/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [openmoko] Change name of image from openmoko-bare to openmoko-base |
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| 03:53.18 | slaxxin | latest qtopia an gps? |
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| 05:03.38 | Infinyte | Hmm.. Err, how do you get u-boot back to the way it was BEFORE the configuration for booting directly to Debian? |
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| 06:43.40 | methril | morning |
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| 06:46.47 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rc19005162ff4 10/packages/busybox/ (busybox_1.9.2.bb files/hwclock.sh): busybox: update hwclock.sh to honor the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 07:01.22 | rwhitby | XorA: realistically, what are the chances that org.openmoko.dev changes will ever make their way back to org.openembedded.dev? |
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| 07:03.29 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r0dbaa66349ac 10/packages/busybox/busybox_1.11.1.bb: busybox: changed PR in the wrong bb file... should be 1.11.1 |
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| 07:09.48 | viq | is there an mpd client available? |
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| 07:17.51 | pabs3 | hmm, qtopia ui seems more responsive than ASU or Debian |
| 07:18.21 | pabs3 | qtopia uses the framebuffer rather than X doesn't it? |
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| 07:23.51 | rwhitby | pabs3: that is correct |
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| 07:32.23 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:32.44 | kvk | Im trying to execute AT commands on latest image(2008.08) of Free-Runner, for some commands the output is shown as " EXT: I " . so, is the device supporting this command?? |
| 07:34.24 | kvk | GSM-0707 AT commands |
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| 07:44.00 | *** topic/#openmoko by StealthCP -> Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | DO NOT USE buildhost.openmoko.org TO UPGRADE 2008.8 IT WILL NEVER EVER WORK | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
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| 07:49.04 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1949: [Qtopia : keyboard ] added space automatically when type something in keyboard ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1949 ) |
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| 08:04.17 | RedFlash | hmmm ... does om2008.8 not have a gsmd .. or did I screw up something ? |
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| 08:09.39 | XorA | RedDog: qpe does gsm on 2008.8 |
| 08:09.46 | XorA | RedFlash: that was for you |
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| 08:14.06 | RedFlash | k... thx |
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| 08:34.29 | TShik | Hi, Interest in Computers? Go to: http://exesoftware.blogspot.com |
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| 08:35.03 | bumbl | smells spam |
| 08:35.28 | tg | huh i just got my phone |
| 08:35.29 | tg | \o/ |
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| 08:37.54 | md2k7 | hi |
| 08:39.20 | Melchiorre | hey |
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| 08:39.44 | md2k7 | what do i have to set in tangogps (on 2008.8) to make it work? |
| 08:39.50 | md2k7 | it tells me "no GPS found" |
| 08:39.56 | md2k7 | agpsui works fine though |
| 08:40.05 | kwek | md2k7, did you install (and start) gpsd? |
| 08:40.37 | kwek | and set the gps device (/dev/ttySAC1) in /etc/default/gpsd |
| 08:40.43 | md2k7 | lol agpsui works without that? |
| 08:40.53 | md2k7 | ok now thx :-) |
| 08:40.57 | Wonka | agpsui directly uses /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 08:40.58 | kwek | yeah it just reads the device |
| 08:41.48 | Wonka | it writes too |
| 08:41.56 | pabs3 | anyone remember where the info about customising the boot logo is? |
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| 08:42.09 | Wonka | i hate how it won't start to do anything without resetting the gps chip first |
| 08:42.34 | pabs3 | aha, found it http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Splash_screen |
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| 08:47.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4619 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c: bug fixed for decoding GSM 7 bit, trac #1591 (Erin Yueh) |
| 08:49.04 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1950: [Installer] system update packages ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1950 ) |
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| 08:52.23 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r76700a094eec 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): oeventsd: add 'blink' action to LedAction, adjust rules file |
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| 09:14.05 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1951: ps u does not show all user names ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1951 ) |
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| 09:34.04 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1952: [Systemsoftware] it wakes up from suspend but screen is blank time ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1952 ) |
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| 09:40.58 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r110748aca76f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and update to fix slight focus problems with e/illume. working now (tested). |
| 09:40.58 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r47cf9c76094e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: move to version with less debugging |
| 09:40.59 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r4f35659ab92b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: fix e revert focus bug reported in #1858 |
| 09:41.00 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r1d9f5132917d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: ompower - try race cond workaround. |
| 09:41.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r814220000c0d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: cleanups to ompower. |
| 09:41.08 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r6b6d5c00ac46 10/packages/hal/hal_0.5.9.bb: [hal] Remove commented out things we have a SCM to recover it |
| 09:41.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r6a3daa1cee1d 10/packages/hal/ (hal.inc hal_0.5.9.bb): [hal] Move almost everything into the hal.inc file |
| 09:41.14 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r57c677ad1ef7 10/packages/hal/ (hal-info.inc hal-info_20070618.bb hal-info_20080313.bb): [hal] Create hal-info.inc and share it with the releases |
| 09:41.17 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r6046807cbb5b 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [hal] Add latest hal and hal-info |
| 09:41.22 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re06c3632e91b 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Build hal 0.5.11 and recent hal-info |
| 09:41.25 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r6f785b03c9d1 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Upgrade gdb to 6.8 because of #1890 |
| 09:41.28 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r029b19654c0a 10/packages/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev |
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| 09:49.30 | Wonka | i wonder if minix 3 would be usable on the FR... |
| 09:50.05 | pabs3 | probably wouldn't have drivers for much of the hardware |
| 09:50.10 | bumbl | have fun porting |
| 09:50.25 | bumbl | I thoght raster quitted with openmoko? |
| 09:50.36 | pabs3 | he did |
| 09:51.28 | pabs3 | nice, with a broken splashimage, the video memory doesn't loose pixels between reboots |
| 09:51.52 | pabs3 | I just saw half of qtopia and half my splashimage |
| 09:52.16 | bumbl | pabs3: I'm just wondering why he contributes to org.openmoko.dev then |
| 09:52.43 | pabs3 | still has access I guess |
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| 10:32.05 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r09e6116c2780 10/packages/hal/hal_0.5.9.bb: [hal] Remove commented out things we have a SCM to recover it |
| 10:32.06 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rabd587d52c8a 10/packages/hal/ (hal.inc hal_0.5.9.bb): [hal] Move almost everything into the hal.inc file |
| 10:32.06 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rebe33e188dba 10/packages/hal/ (hal-info.inc hal-info_20070618.bb hal-info_20080313.bb): [hal] Create hal-info.inc and share it with the releases |
| 10:32.07 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r6d6b09a2e97c 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [hal] Add latest hal and hal-info |
| 10:32.10 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r25086e691d0e 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Build hal 0.5.11 and recent hal-info |
| 10:32.13 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r262a83abc0fa 10/packages/hal/ (5 files): [hal] remove old versions of hal and hal-info |
| 10:32.16 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r5d3333dd14c5 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev |
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| 10:52.56 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r4e301b6bef62 10/ (ChangeLog src/zhone): |
| 10:52.56 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: fix number comparison, patch courtesy Joachim Breitner. |
| 10:52.57 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: closes FSO #110 |
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| 11:02.56 | beni_ | hm, anyone has segfaults with bearstech feeds? |
| 11:03.03 | beni_ | i try to do an opkg upgrade |
| 11:03.06 | beni_ | but it segfaults |
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| 11:29.05 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1953: tty setup for gps at startup -- /etc/init.d/gps-hardware ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1953 ) |
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| 11:44.08 | tomboy64 | i have the problem that my freerunner is no longer triggering creation of the usb0 network device |
| 11:44.29 | tomboy64 | usbnet and usb-cdc-thingy are compiled into the kernel |
| 11:44.35 | tomboy64 | any hints on what to do? |
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| 12:10.13 | kvk | is there any problem with the URL: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/free-runner ?? |
| 12:10.53 | Mononoke | s/buildhost/downloads |
| 12:10.58 | beni_ | yes |
| 12:11.04 | beni_ | no |
| 12:11.09 | beni_ | downloads should work |
| 12:12.28 | beni_ | does anyone know where tangogps stores its map repository informationß |
| 12:12.30 | beni_ | ? |
| 12:12.57 | Mononoke | you have it in config, just look there |
| 12:14.08 | beni_ | Mononoke: i search for some file or something |
| 12:14.11 | beni_ | not inside the gui |
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| 12:16.01 | tomboy64 | hmm |
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| 12:22.27 | evolux | is there some place i can put a .ipk i compiled? |
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| 12:29.57 | Fradeve | evolux: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CommunityRepository |
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| 12:34.06 | evolux | Fradeve: thanks |
| 12:34.36 | Fradeve | evolux: you're welcome :) |
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| 12:35.18 | hipitihop | waves good evening to the residents |
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| 12:40.49 | tomboy64 | how is it determined whether my freerunner is a usb-network device? |
| 12:40.56 | tomboy64 | it's not recognized as such anymore :-| |
| 12:41.10 | tomboy64 | but it had worked before |
| 12:42.13 | hipitihop | tomboy64, I find I have to run "sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.192" on my host |
| 12:42.43 | hipitihop | tomboy64, but I suggest you read the USB networking page on the wiki |
| 12:43.15 | tomboy64 | i have done so |
| 12:43.31 | tomboy64 | but the ifconfig command tells me "no such device" |
| 12:43.42 | tomboy64 | and yes, i did rtfm |
| 12:43.59 | dns53 | change to a different distro, one of the kernels a while ago killed usb for me |
| 12:44.23 | tomboy64 | mhm |
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| 12:45.35 | hipitihop | tomboy64, hmm, what distro ? |
| 12:45.56 | tomboy64 | om2008.8 |
| 12:46.02 | tomboy64 | update |
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| 12:47.53 | harzi | while trying loop mounting the qtopia .jffs2-image on my debian workstation i get an error: modprobe mtdram says: Cannot allocate memory and dmesg moans: allocation failed: out of vmalloc space - use vmalloc=<size> to increase size. where to enter that? |
| 12:48.52 | hipitihop | tomboy64, I assume you have done all the obvious things, fresh boot with usb cable disconnected, then connect usb to fr, then try ifconfig |
| 12:49.23 | tomboy64 | yes |
| 12:49.39 | tomboy64 | i also tried to go back to om2007.2 |
| 12:50.22 | lindi- | harzi: as linux command line from boot loader? |
| 12:50.32 | hipitihop | tomboy64, a fresh flash of 2007.2 ? |
| 12:50.39 | harzi | lindi-: ah hm... |
| 12:50.46 | tomboy64 | yes |
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| 12:51.17 | harzi | lindi-: and where to put what that it remains after every boot |
| 12:51.25 | hipitihop | tomboy64, sorry, have me baffled, almost suggests either something has occured with your usb cable or something going on with your host |
| 12:51.27 | lindi- | harzi: depends on your boot loader |
| 12:51.34 | harzi | lindi-: grub |
| 12:51.47 | lindi- | harzi: it has this menu.lst |
| 12:51.52 | harzi | yes |
| 12:52.07 | lindi- | so there :) |
| 12:52.20 | harzi | ah |
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| 12:52.24 | harzi | thanks |
| 12:52.39 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 12:53.59 | quickdev | raster, I'd like to play with e17. What would you advice? Using a stable e16 or svn e17 builds? |
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| 12:57.55 | harnir | hello |
| 12:58.01 | CVirus | quickdev: on the freerunner ? |
| 12:58.19 | CVirus | quickdev: or on your pc ? |
| 12:58.24 | quickdev | CVirus, both |
| 12:58.32 | lindi- | i still haven't managed to get the illume keyboard appear on my x86 test system |
| 12:58.52 | lindi- | quickdev: if you do, please let me know how :) |
| 12:58.53 | CVirus | quickdev: for the PC I'd recommend e17 although it wasn't that stable 1 month ago |
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| 12:59.10 | CVirus | quickdev: you're gonna love it anyways |
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| 13:00.29 | quickdev | CVirus, I downloaded e17 yesterday and got many compile errors. Are there any 'compilable' revisions? |
| 13:00.51 | lindi- | quickdev: you downloaded e17 release or svn? |
| 13:01.07 | beni_ | ok, opk upgrade works now. |
| 13:01.16 | beni_ | i flashed FSO image of today from bearstech |
| 13:01.30 | beni_ | looks like the download.openmoko ones are somehow broken in that term |
| 13:01.34 | quickdev | lindi-, svn e17 source through e17 easy install shell script |
| 13:01.51 | CVirus | quickdev: don't use thse scripts |
| 13:01.53 | CVirus | those* |
| 13:01.56 | lindi- | quickdev: ah, it compiled here but i didn't use a script |
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| 13:02.12 | CVirus | quickdev: http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_User_Guide/Installing_from_Source_Repository |
| 13:02.24 | CVirus | quickdev: do it manually |
| 13:04.34 | quickdev | CVirus, what about: http://e17blog.tuxfamily.org/e17blog_en.php/post/2007/08/22/HowTo-Install-Enlightenment-on-Ubuntu-Gutsy-Gibbon |
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| 13:07.56 | CVirus | quickdev: really old |
| 13:08.08 | CVirus | quickdev: compile and install manually |
| 13:08.19 | CVirus | quickdev: you'll get more support on #E if you did so |
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| 13:14.14 | hipitihop | anyone know of a good tetris game for the fr |
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| 13:18.07 | filthpig | Hi, is it correct that the Trolltech port of Qtopia means you can actually use the freerunner as a phone without worrying about unstability now? The info on the website is kinda limited and seems aimed at people who knows what's going on.. |
| 13:19.40 | CVirus | filthpig: I'm sure reliable suspend/resume is not there yet because it's not Qtopia related |
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| 13:21.31 | filthpig | CVirus, okay. I can't wait for this phone to actually become ready for the mainstream! I simply can't afford to buy one phone for tinkering and one for normal use.. |
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| 13:24.11 | _Guhit | qtopia is coming along nicely, but there are still some issues. I tried it last night, but still can't make calls. |
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| 13:30.19 | Mononoke | what does blicking red led mean ? |
| 13:30.41 | Mononoke | *blinking |
| 13:32.00 | harnir | Mononoke: in which distro? ;-) |
| 13:32.53 | Mononoke | om 2008.9 but I'd say something close to kernelpanic |
| 13:33.16 | harnir | yes, when I saw that, it was kernel panic |
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| 13:37.10 | md2k7 | 2008.8: is it the X server itself showing the "X" (in random size)? |
| 13:37.29 | md2k7 | or is that some kind of screensaver? how to turn it off? |
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| 13:39.25 | Mononoke | some kind of screensaver and xset s off ? |
| 13:40.01 | md2k7 | ah yes, the xset. will try |
| 13:40.32 | white_gecko | hello |
| 13:40.43 | white_gecko | where can i get this keyboard for 2008.8? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist/More/Custom_Input_Method_Widgets |
| 13:42.17 | md2k7 | isn't that exactly what it says: a *wishlist* ? |
| 13:43.24 | white_gecko | hm |
| 13:43.42 | white_gecko | but this keyboard was in a very early releas |
| 13:44.06 | white_gecko | that one with the nice weal |
| 13:44.17 | white_gecko | at the left bottom corner |
| 13:44.17 | timo2k | and nice super tux ;) |
| 13:47.55 | slaxxin | i installed the latest qtopia last night an when i took it out of suspend the phone wouldnt call |
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| 13:51.43 | md2k7 | another small usability (battery saving) issue: what turns on the backlight again on touch? |
| 13:51.58 | md2k7 | i would like the screen to stay off when it is locked |
| 13:52.10 | md2k7 | (still 2008.8) |
| 13:54.47 | pjz | anyone know how to tell my FR that it's okay to charge the battery? I'm running 2008.8 and it's plugged into USB, but the batt charge icon is showing an empty battery |
| 13:55.10 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rd510d88bbd21 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [xserver-kdrive-common] remove splash and vt1 from args |
| 13:55.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rf52dc92cd09a 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of /home/dp/openmoko/openmoko/ into org.openmoko.dev |
| 13:55.18 | pjz | it was really low so I had to use a spare, charged battery to boot from and then switch to the dead one |
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| 13:56.51 | md2k7 | mhm, maybe look at the things in: /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073 |
| 13:57.08 | pjz | the sysfs stuff says its in fast charge mode and charging, but the icon on the screen doesn't and apm isn't reporting any increase though it's been plugged in for several minutes |
| 13:57.09 | md2k7 | altough i don't know whether they are writable too |
| 13:57.26 | md2k7 | interesting |
| 13:57.56 | pjz | oh, I take it back, it's charnign just slowly.. went form 10% to 11% |
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| 13:58.04 | pjz | okay, so I just need to leave it plugged in for awhile :) |
| 13:58.35 | pjz | though, wow, bizarre, the apm info is scr00d: root@om-gta02:/home/pj/bin# cat /proc/apm |
| 13:58.38 | pjz | 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x01 0x01 11% 65535 mi |
| 13:58.48 | pjz | 65535 minutes? really? |
| 13:59.00 | md2k7 | lol |
| 13:59.34 | pjz | yeah, definitely: On-line, battery status low: 12% (45d+12:15:00) |
| 13:59.44 | pjz | 12% will alst 45 days! |
| 14:01.59 | md2k7 | the battery pack has a protection circuit, maybe that is active |
| 14:02.10 | md2k7 | which i doubt... software is much more likely to be the cause |
| 14:03.08 | slaxxin | try unplugging then replugging the freerunner |
| 14:04.37 | md2k7 | so no-one any ideas on how to prevent the backlight turning on when the screen is locked? |
| 14:04.50 | md2k7 | maybe i ask in openmoko-cdevel then? |
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| 14:16.45 | pjz | slaxxin: if I do that and the batt is dead then the FR will die and Ill have to do the battery-switcheroo thing again |
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| 14:18.18 | pjz | md2k7: why/how is it turning on when the screen is locked? |
| 14:18.29 | pjz | md2k7: you might check the wiki for a way to turn it off |
| 14:18.57 | md2k7 | i just figured out it doesn't turn it on when backlight in sysfs is 0. X just dims the actual_brightness |
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| 14:19.22 | md2k7 | screen is locked = some illume stuff is running with a text "LOCKED" across the screen |
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| 14:21.24 | beni_ | to compile some edc file, i need cpp?? |
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| 14:27.13 | beni_ | where to get embryo_cc from? |
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| 14:34.25 | hipitihop | I'm trying to bring across a pygame game into 2008.8 updated. I have python-pygame installed, hower missing following importd "from OpenGL.GL import *" and "from OpenGL.GLU import *" can someone help ? |
| 14:34.51 | hipitihop | are these available or is there no hope on the fr ? |
| 14:35.39 | pabs3 | you probably need to package them, unless you are running Debian |
| 14:36.49 | beni_ | is there some packaging howto? |
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| 14:39.57 | hipitihop | rwhitby, you about ? |
| 14:40.54 | Torikun | Yo |
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| 14:43.15 | hipitihop | pabs3, hmm thanks. beyond me at the moment. Looks like a fair few dependencies http://pyopengl.sourceforge.net/documentation/installation.html ahwell, that's for another day. Time for bed |
| 14:45.43 | Torikun | 200808 does not charge now |
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| 14:45.59 | Torikun | no responce from pc when plugged in usb |
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| 14:58.48 | sledgeas | hello |
| 14:58.55 | white_gecko | hello |
| 14:59.21 | sledgeas | i am getting this error in my laptop once om2008.8 has usb plugged into it: usb 7-1: device not accepting address 25, error -110 |
| 15:00.23 | pabs3 | hipitihop: I don't think the FR graphics drivers support OpenGL acceleration do they? |
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| 15:02.16 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rdc218da5fab5 10/packages/images/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image.bb: [openmoko] Remove openmok-qtopia-x11-image |
| 15:02.46 | qknight | huhu |
| 15:02.53 | white_gecko | sledgeas: did you configure the usb net http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart#Set_up_USB-based_networking.2C_SSH_and_update ? |
| 15:03.39 | sledgeas | white_gecko: do you specifically mean this part: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking ? |
| 15:03.44 | sledgeas | yes, i did |
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| 15:04.19 | white_gecko | and do you have the kernelmodules? |
| 15:04.20 | white_gecko | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.22 | white_gecko | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.27 | sledgeas | yes, they are compiled as modules |
| 15:04.35 | sledgeas | but i get no .ko files (strange) |
| 15:04.58 | white_gecko | hm |
| 15:05.00 | white_gecko | are thy loaded? |
| 15:05.02 | sledgeas | i have selected _only_ these kernel options and nothing in their respective sub-options |
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| 15:05.15 | white_gecko | yes that is right |
| 15:05.21 | sledgeas | modrobe -l | grep -E "cdc|usbnet" give nothing |
| 15:05.44 | white_gecko | hm |
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| 15:06.21 | white_gecko | # modprobe -l | grep -E "cdc|usbnet" |
| 15:06.23 | white_gecko | /lib/modules/2.6.26.3-mactel/kernel/drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.ko |
| 15:06.24 | white_gecko | /lib/modules/2.6.26.3-mactel/kernel/drivers/net/usb/cdc_ether.ko |
| 15:06.26 | white_gecko | /lib/modules/2.6.26.3-mactel/kernel/drivers/net/usb/usbnet.ko |
| 15:06.38 | sledgeas | ow now i get it |
| 15:06.51 | sledgeas | for some reason they got compiled as built-in (?!) |
| 15:06.55 | sledgeas | just a min i'll recompile |
| 15:07.12 | white_gecko | k |
| 15:07.13 | sledgeas | and it's better that i put uhci_hcd (for usb) as a module, too? |
| 15:07.26 | white_gecko | i don't know |
| 15:08.13 | sledgeas | because i've seen on the net to get rid of `device descriptor read/64, error -110' re-inserting uhci_hcd.ko was recommended |
| 15:10.38 | white_gecko | i think it is ok to compile it as module |
| 15:11.09 | sledgeas | another thing (it might be because my NAND has some bad blocks for a freshly re-installed om2008.8): as soon as ASU boots, after a sec the screen blanks and if i press POWER, it does not respond (suspend is Off) |
| 15:11.35 | sledgeas | if i press power several times, immediately tapping with finger the screen, it comes back but after a few seconds dims away again |
| 15:12.04 | sledgeas | no matter what i press |
| 15:12.56 | white_gecko | hm you could set suspend in the settings to off |
| 15:13.02 | sledgeas | it's off |
| 15:13.03 | white_gecko | but i think this is a known bug |
| 15:13.07 | sledgeas | that's the weirdest thing |
| 15:13.08 | sledgeas | ah ok |
| 15:13.17 | white_gecko | but i don't know |
| 15:13.29 | white_gecko | i had this bug when i furst tried 2008 |
| 15:13.34 | sledgeas | and while charging the RED Led is constantly lit only when the screen is lit (when it gets dimmed after a screensaver(?) symbol of X comes for a half-a sec, the RED led goes off too) -- it means that i charge my moko only whe nscreen is lit, and i have to keep tapping it to get charged? |
| 15:13.39 | white_gecko | but i make daiely updates |
| 15:13.39 | sledgeas | yeap.. |
| 15:13.46 | sledgeas | i installed the 20080831 version |
| 15:13.46 | white_gecko | and i think i don't have it anymore |
| 15:14.20 | sledgeas | rite, ok then i'll just deal with USB problem first and then perform some updates ;) |
| 15:14.26 | sledgeas | reboot |
| 15:14.29 | white_gecko | ok |
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| 15:19.14 | zogs | hi |
| 15:21.12 | Torikun | yo |
| 15:21.36 | Torikun | usb0 is not decteted and I can not reflash from choosing boot to USB from the menu. |
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| 15:24.43 | sledgeas | nope, it still gives me constantly this now: usb 6-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
| 15:24.54 | marcel_m | hipitihop: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/python-pyopengl_3.0.0b5-ml0_armv4t.ipk but its not tested |
| 15:25.18 | sledgeas | cdc_ether usbnet -- as modules, inserted (manually), uhci_hcd - re-inserted -- same stuff (how should i turn FR on? with cable, without?) |
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| 15:27.47 | caratorn | hello, I updated with tthe 2008.8 distribution and it now prompts for a root password (no pwd no longer works), anyone had that already? |
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| 15:28.55 | Torikun | I can not plugin my phone and charge it . USB0 is not detected. I can not boot to USB to flash my firmware. Any ideas? |
| 15:28.57 | sylar91 | hi, I need help, somebody could help me please? I can't unmount an sd under om |
| 15:30.33 | Torikun | my issue is solved, nm |
| 15:30.33 | sylar91 | noone? |
| 15:30.44 | Torikun | sylar91: what is the error |
| 15:30.48 | sylar91 | it is budy |
| 15:31.03 | sylar91 | I'm trying to install qtopia on sd but I can't format the sd |
| 15:31.12 | Torikun | what is the rrror |
| 15:31.18 | Torikun | and how are you formatting it |
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| 15:31.39 | white_gecko_ | my network was down |
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| 15:31.45 | sylar91 | I'm followine the guide on thw wifi http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Prepare_the_SD_card |
| 15:31.53 | white_gecko_ | sledgeas: how are you and youre FR? |
| 15:31.54 | Torikun | what is your dam error |
| 15:31.59 | Torikun | please tell us what is going on |
| 15:32.04 | sledgeas | white just replied : |
| 15:32.05 | sylar91 | root@om-gta02:~# umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 15:32.06 | sylar91 | umount: /media/card: device is busy |
| 15:32.07 | sledgeas | nope, it still gives me constantly this now: usb 6-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
| 15:32.09 | sledgeas | cdc_ether usbnet -- as modules, inserted (manually), uhci_hcd - re-inserted -- same stuff (how should i turn FR on? with cable, without?) |
| 15:32.33 | white_gecko_ | hm |
| 15:32.54 | white_gecko_ | for me both works with and without |
| 15:33.13 | Fradeve | someone knows the command to make appear the GUI to insert SIM PIN? I'm using 2008.08-update and it won't appear so I'm unable to log my SIM into GSM network.... :( |
| 15:33.13 | Tanuva | eh. lol. my neo's ringing, but zhone doesn't show the incoming-screen... >.< |
| 15:33.56 | sledgeas | :/ |
| 15:34.03 | sylar91 | ehi somebody could help me plz^? |
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| 15:37.32 | darkjames | sylar91, try fuser -v -m /media/card |
| 15:37.58 | sylar91 | fuser: unsupported option 'v' |
| 15:38.31 | sylar91 | ... |
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| 15:38.47 | darkjames | sad. so without -v, and then use ps to get name of these process which are using your /media/card |
| 15:38.55 | darkjames | if they're not important, you kill them. |
| 15:39.28 | sylar91 | root@om-gta02:~# fuser -m /media/card |
| 15:39.29 | sylar91 | 1510 1543 1548 1560 |
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| 15:40.28 | darkjames | and now ps u -p 1510,1543,1548,1560 |
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| 15:41.01 | sylar91 | root 1510 4.1 0.0 0 0 ? Zl 23:01 1:17 [qpe] <defunct> |
| 15:41.02 | sylar91 | root 1543 0.3 9.5 47592 11792 ? S 23:03 0:05 /opt/Qtopia/bin |
| 15:41.02 | sylar91 | root 1548 0.3 8.1 45124 10060 ? SN 23:03 0:06 /opt/Qtopia/bin |
| 15:41.02 | sylar91 | root 1560 0.3 8.1 45124 10060 ? SN 23:04 0:06 /opt/Qtopia/bin |
| 15:41.46 | sylar91 | I killed those processes but the device is already busy.. |
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| 15:42.28 | sylar91 | root@om-gta02:~# fuser -m /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 15:42.28 | sylar91 | 1 410 1237 1278 1284 1297 1304 1305 1313 1314 1315 1319 1327 1331 1335 1337 1343 1348 1350 1361 1370 1379 1382 1406 1423 1434 1449 1450 1451 1456 1459 1464 1468 1472 1476 1481 1507 1509 1512 1525 1526 1527 1528 1551 1552 1565 1566 |
| 15:42.36 | darkjames | senseless. |
| 15:42.48 | sylar91 | oO |
| 15:42.53 | darkjames | i think you didn't kill qpe <defunct> process. |
| 15:43.04 | sylar91 | yes... |
| 15:43.08 | darkjames | of course you could do lazy umount. |
| 15:43.18 | darkjames | I don't know, sorry. |
| 15:43.27 | sylar91 | kill 1 is a problem? |
| 15:43.43 | darkjames | why you want to kill init? |
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| 15:44.12 | sylar91 | because it is in the list |
| 15:44.27 | edistar | lol |
| 15:44.48 | darkjames | fuser -m /dev/mmcblk0p1 it's senseless command, it gives you info what is using /dev directory. |
| 15:44.50 | sylar91 | XD what I can do? oO |
| 15:45.07 | sylar91 | doh... so why it is yet busy? oo |
| 15:45.28 | darkjames | because of: root 1510 4.1 0.0 0 0 ? Zl 23:01 1:17 [qpe] <defunct> ? |
| 15:45.54 | sylar91 | no... |
| 15:46.02 | Fradeve | someone knows the command to make appear the GUI to insert SIM PIN? I'm using 2008.08-update and it won't appear so I'm unable to log my SIM into GSM network.... :( |
| 15:46.06 | sylar91 | root@om-gta02:~# fuser /media/card |
| 15:46.06 | sylar91 | root@om-gta02:~# |
| 15:46.13 | darkjames | fuser -m /media/card |
| 15:46.18 | darkjames | -m is important. |
| 15:46.39 | sylar91 | root@om-gta02:~# fuser -m /media/card |
| 15:46.39 | sylar91 | root@om-gta02:~# |
| 15:46.42 | sylar91 | still no output |
| 15:46.51 | edistar | sylar91: what are you trying? |
| 15:46.57 | darkjames | and you can't still umount /media/card ? |
| 15:46.58 | sylar91 | to unmount the sd |
| 15:47.07 | sylar91 | root@om-gta02:~# umount /media/card |
| 15:47.08 | sylar91 | umount: /media/card: device is busy |
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| 15:47.32 | edistar | I just did a ps ax | grep qpe and killed that process |
| 15:47.49 | darkjames | lazy umount is tempting. |
| 15:47.50 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r3fa1c28dad0d 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko-feed] add gzip as some stuff like CPAN needs a real gzip |
| 15:47.50 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rb458f224af5e 10/packages/images/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image.bb: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev |
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| 15:48.48 | sylar91 | I kill qpe but the process restats automatically... |
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| 16:04.11 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1954: Sound of clicks on locked screen. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1954 ) |
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| 16:31.54 | momelod | hello channel. |
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| 16:32.41 | momelod | is it possible to run the openmoko os on my laptop? haven't got the hardware yet.. trying to decide between iPhone and openmoko.. |
| 16:32.54 | momelod | ..and i would like to try it out first |
| 16:33.14 | phrozen77 | qemu? |
| 16:33.17 | Torikun | qemu |
| 16:33.18 | Torikun | yes |
| 16:33.29 | Torikun | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU |
| 16:34.47 | AntonTakk | momelod: keep in mind that running under qemu does not represent how fast the software will run on the phone |
| 16:34.56 | Torikun | probably faster under qemu |
| 16:34.57 | Torikun | lol |
| 16:35.02 | AntonTakk | yeah |
| 16:35.04 | AntonTakk | hehe |
| 16:35.25 | Torikun | does the installer work on the current images? |
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| 16:35.50 | AntonTakk | soon as i finish splitting out my functions and cleaning up my code I can make a real start on a gui |
| 16:35.56 | AntonTakk | :) |
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| 16:36.27 | AntonTakk | with luck I may be asking for docs on making an ipk by dinner |
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| 16:37.09 | AntonTakk | that or distributing a tarball with a simple build and install script to be run on the phone directly :) |
| 16:37.22 | momelod | im running linux, do i still need qemu? |
| 16:37.39 | AntonTakk | momelod: no, but it'd probably be easier |
| 16:37.47 | momelod | thanx |
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| 16:46.09 | Torikun | The phone goes into suspend even after I turn suspend to off |
| 16:46.54 | sicu | AntonTakk: here's how to package for qtopia: http://blog.wolfman.com/articles/2008/08/27/porting-xgps-to-qtopia-for-the-freerunner#comments |
| 16:47.23 | sicu | it might come in handy depending on the distro you're developing for |
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| 17:07.13 | af0815 | i have a question about activating TangoGPS on a FreeRunner |
| 17:07.30 | ShellEvil | Turn it on, then run very fast before the FR detonates. |
| 17:07.39 | ShellEvil | When the whine goes ultrasonic, it goes bang. |
| 17:08.17 | johnsu01 | No, that's the speakerphone |
| 17:08.33 | johnsu01 | (which for me emits an ear-splitting noise) |
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| 17:08.53 | johnsu01 | I have not waited long enough to see if it detonates yet though |
| 17:10.19 | af0815 | it is not a dangerous thing, it only a mobil |
| 17:11.38 | Torikun | Anyone having standby issues with the free runner? |
| 17:11.47 | Torikun | I tell it to not suspend and it does |
| 17:11.59 | CVirus | that's a known issue |
| 17:12.11 | Torikun | it worked good before I installed todays firmware |
| 17:12.13 | CVirus | check the list |
| 17:13.09 | Torikun | I have to use debian to charge my phone now |
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| 17:16.39 | momelod | having issues compiling qemu as described here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU. My build environment is gcc-4.2, and that qemu-gcc4.patch doesn't work for me.. all it says is it can't find the files to patch |
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| 17:20.26 | morricone | af0815, ever seen a battery exploding? |
| 17:20.42 | af0815 | yes |
| 17:21.01 | bipak_ | hopefully not the on of the freerunner |
| 17:21.04 | bipak_ | one |
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| 17:27.35 | sigi | hi |
| 17:28.21 | sigi | I got my freerunner today and flashed todays om rootfs and kernel onto it |
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| 17:29.02 | sigi | So far so good but the only icon on the "home"-screen is settings and when I click this nothing happens |
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| 17:29.35 | sigi | how can I enter the terminal? |
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| 17:32.29 | jamasi | for most plesant experiance: via usb, pc and ssh. |
| 17:33.02 | momelod | if im not a developer, can i still use the freerunner for daily use? |
| 17:33.08 | momelod | or should i just stay away? |
| 17:34.05 | wurp2|working | momelod: Do you have linux admin experience? |
| 17:34.24 | CVirus | momelod: I'd recommend that you stay away |
| 17:34.30 | jamasi | if you're very skilled with linux and a frequent user of the shell, then you can give the freerunner a try. |
| 17:34.42 | CVirus | momelod: it's not suitable for daily use |
| 17:35.04 | wurp2|working | CVirus: I use the gta01 for my daily use ;-) |
| 17:35.17 | wurp2|working | Of course, I also miss a fair amount of my calls |
| 17:36.05 | jamasi | is there anything to the romour, that there might be a renewed model of the GTA2 for xmas sale? |
| 17:36.11 | momelod | i only ever use linux |
| 17:36.12 | jamasi | *rumor |
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| 17:36.20 | momelod | no windows or macos |
| 17:36.25 | momelod | unless im forced too |
| 17:36.53 | CVirus | jamasi: where did you read that ? |
| 17:37.08 | momelod | thing is that my boss wants me to trade in my blackberry for an iphone. and i dont want either of those b/c they dont work with linux |
| 17:37.53 | jamasi | I think I saw sb. mentioning this either here or on the ML back then when the gps/sd-card bug or the glamo was discussed |
| 17:37.55 | CVirus | momelod: the FreeRunner is NOT suitable for daily use |
| 17:38.24 | cjb | yet some of us do so anyway :) |
| 17:38.44 | CVirus | I'll do so |
| 17:39.32 | ssweeny | it's suitable if you don't care about having a reliable phone |
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| 17:39.55 | GuraX | does somebody knows if there will be UMTS support in the next GTA? |
| 17:40.49 | mjr | there will not |
| 17:41.25 | ShellEvil | GuraX: everyone wants faster IP access. |
| 17:41.33 | wurp2|working | momelod: If you install either of the FSO milestones on the FreeRunner, it should be quite stable, and suitable for daily use, if a little feature light. |
| 17:42.05 | wurp2|working | CVirus: Do you know a reason why Milestone 2 wouldn't be suitable for daily use? |
| 17:42.34 | ShellEvil | GuraX: unfortunately for various reasons, there are problems finding suitable chipsets. |
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| 17:42.57 | GuraX | that's boring !! |
| 17:43.09 | ShellEvil | GuraX: fact is often boring. |
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| 17:56.17 | joss | does openmoko have 5v battery? |
| 17:56.25 | ShellEvil | no |
| 17:56.32 | ShellEvil | Lithium. |
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| 17:57.42 | joss | ShellEvil: ok how many volts, i just do not seem to understand how this usb port is powered:( |
| 17:57.55 | ShellEvil | a converter |
| 17:57.58 | joss | ShellEvil: it needs 5v to operate yes? |
| 17:58.05 | ShellEvil | it outputs 5V from the battery voltage |
| 17:58.06 | ShellEvil | no |
| 17:58.39 | joss | ShellEvil: usb does not need 5v? |
| 17:58.47 | ShellEvil | Yes, USB needs 5V |
| 17:58.56 | ShellEvil | this does not mean the battery is 5V |
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| 17:59.12 | joss | uh, so the battery does not have to be 5v itself? |
| 17:59.23 | paroneayea | oh yeah, my $6 2gb microsd card arrived :D |
| 17:59.23 | ShellEvil | Any more than the engine going at 3000RPM in a car means that the wheels go round at 3000 |
| 17:59.25 | ShellEvil | RPM |
| 17:59.29 | paroneayea | time to upgrade my debians |
| 17:59.38 | RayDar | time to upgrade my lesbians |
| 17:59.53 | ShellEvil | passes RayDar a cup. |
| 18:00.05 | joss | ShellEvil: ok nice example, how big is suhc converter? |
| 18:00.12 | ShellEvil | joss: small |
| 18:00.21 | ShellEvil | joss: several mm^2 of board area |
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| 18:00.24 | RayDar | We're gonna need a bigger cup! |
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| 18:04.41 | RayDar | ally jus the sms retrieval during suspend/resume |
| 18:04.41 | RayDar | <malik1972> lpotter: no eco thing? who says that |
| 18:04.48 | RayDar | do |
| 18:04.49 | joss | ShellEvil: 2mm thick? |
| 18:04.49 | RayDar | doh |
| 18:04.57 | ShellEvil | joss: what are you really asking? |
| 18:05.21 | RayDar | My mouse is malfunctioning. I have a new one on order. |
| 18:05.28 | RayDar | I thought I read somewhere about a fix for turning off the internal speakers when the headphone is inserted. |
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| 18:07.00 | joss | ShellEvil: this converter, that seems interesting.. |
| 18:07.13 | gromgull | Is there any way to debug gsm stuff with qpe like you can with libgsmd-tool? |
| 18:07.21 | ShellEvil | joss: maxim-ic.com national.com ti.com all have similar chips. It's not really. |
| 18:07.57 | RayDar | Has anyone got a video to play with the media player in Qtopia? |
| 18:07.59 | joss | ShellEvil: do not know why those external chargers are so big then, when one could just add a converter from 3.7v battery:( |
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| 18:08.39 | joss | ShellEvil: why they feed 4aa's always then |
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| 18:13.52 | ShellEvil | what external chargers? |
| 18:13.53 | ShellEvil | What do you mean? |
| 18:14.40 | joss | ShellEvil: external battery packs |
| 18:15.05 | joss | ShellEvil: why wont they run from 0.5v battery with converter attached then? |
| 18:15.33 | joss | and be like 10mmx5mmx2:) |
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| 18:18.36 | RayDar | is the GSM modem /dev/ttySAC0 ? |
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| 18:19.03 | mjr | joss, you're making wild assumptions based on very little |
| 18:19.30 | mmontour | RayDar: yes |
| 18:19.36 | joss | mjr: yeah it seems |
| 18:19.42 | joss | :) |
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| 18:20.06 | joss | mjr: just do not know how to find a way to make a small externel battery instead of those big ones |
| 18:20.47 | ShellEvil | joss: power density |
| 18:22.10 | ShellEvil | joss: a 2.2Ah 3.6V battery is 18mm diameter by 65mm. This will supply 5V at 0.5A through a converter for about a couple of hours. |
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| 18:22.45 | mjr | joss, found a nanomaterials research startup |
| 18:23.02 | joss | mjr: as this channel:)? |
| 18:23.23 | ShellEvil | mjr: not relevant to current tech |
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| 18:24.09 | mjr | but we wanted better than current, yes? :] |
| 18:24.14 | joss | ShellEvil: 850mah 3.6v battery? |
| 18:24.33 | ShellEvil | joss: could you explain what you want? |
| 18:24.49 | joss | ShellEvil: anyways you are trying to say that with converter usb just runs slower? |
| 18:24.59 | paroneayea | hell, let's make a battery that's a couple of wires connected to a bag of holding. Except the bag of holding's dimension isn't a dimension of limitless storage, but rather of limitless energy |
| 18:25.01 | ShellEvil | joss: no |
| 18:25.03 | paroneayea | technology of the future :D |
| 18:25.57 | mmontour | joss: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/917b/ |
| 18:27.03 | paroneayea | mmontour: ooh |
| 18:27.04 | joss | mmontour: big as hell, i do not know why, this serial3x has battery integrated from aircable, is not that big at all |
| 18:27.05 | paroneayea | that's neat |
| 18:28.05 | ShellEvil | joss: what do you want? |
| 18:28.11 | Kiantis | quite off channel, but... new debian release name after lenny: squeeze |
| 18:28.56 | joss | ShellEvil: that serial3x to be feeding an usb modem, not possible, so i need some smaller battery that feeds usb gadget, that fits to pocket:) |
| 18:29.15 | ShellEvil | joss: the FR can power external devices |
| 18:29.18 | joss | someone said, that serial has no powerlines , thus wont pass enery to usb one |
| 18:30.05 | joss | ShellEvil: what is it? |
| 18:30.14 | ShellEvil | joss: freerunner |
| 18:30.26 | joss | i am not a technician |
| 18:30.36 | ShellEvil | joss: sorry - you've not explained what you're trying to do. |
| 18:30.46 | ShellEvil | what serial3x - what is it? |
| 18:30.55 | mmontour | ShellEvil: http://www.aircable.net/serial3x.html |
| 18:31.07 | mmontour | (at least I assume that's what he's talking about) |
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| 18:31.27 | joss | ShellEvil: it should be battery powered wireless gadget, that takes usb connection, and can communicate with FR |
| 18:31.33 | ShellEvil | joss: ah. |
| 18:31.58 | ShellEvil | joss: there are several ones from dealextreme that I pointed you at that aren't too large. |
| 18:34.33 | joss | ShellEvil: heh, even then it wouldn't work, since the usb gadget red brown pins will be ocupied by serial3x |
| 18:34.43 | joss | http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0652 thinnest i have found, still big as hell |
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| 18:38.26 | joss | mmontour: you get what i am trying to find out? |
| 18:39.18 | joss | mmontour: that is powering that usb gadget with some decent sized little battery, and talk to the device via bluetooth, as it will be cdma modem anyways |
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| 18:41.01 | ShellEvil | joss: commercial ones are around that size. |
| 18:41.02 | mmontour | joss: I don't know if you'll find anything commercially available that's smaller than the devices that people have linked to. You might be able to buy one, rip out its active circuitry, and connect it to a smaller battery. Just be very careful when charging lithium batteries |
| 18:41.58 | ShellEvil | joss: I could make you one for about $60 that'd be 20mm dia * 80mm long, and power the modem for at least 3-4 hours. |
| 18:42.10 | ShellEvil | joss: but commercially available is less dense. |
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| 18:43.40 | joss | ShellEvil: ok how thick? |
| 18:43.54 | ShellEvil | 20mm diameter * 80mm long a cylinder |
| 18:43.58 | joss | 3.7 battery seems like 2mm |
| 18:44.04 | ShellEvil | Err - no |
| 18:44.12 | ShellEvil | It's not - not for ones with any capacity at all |
| 18:44.33 | ShellEvil | You are looking at - at absolute best 200Wh/l |
| 18:45.21 | ShellEvil | so if you want to run 2.5W (USB max) for 5 hours, you need (2.5*5)/200 l of battery |
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| 18:45.49 | RayDar | I sure can't seem to get the GPRS working on this neo1972, with Qtopia |
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| 18:46.03 | sicu | this is a neat tiny external battery pack: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/962e/ |
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| 18:46.37 | sicu | just what the doctor ordered |
| 18:46.40 | joss | sicu: yeah yeah thanks, marked it down |
| 18:47.02 | joss | ShellEvil: nothing that i understand , do like this 0x0x0mm:) |
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| 18:47.52 | ShellEvil | joss: To run it for 5 hours, you need (2.5*5)/200 = .062l = 62cc |
| 18:48.00 | ShellEvil | joss: and that's only the battery |
| 18:48.30 | ShellEvil | Or an 8cm*8cm battery 1cm thick |
| 18:48.36 | joss | ShellEvil: ok, but how big would that be? |
| 18:48.40 | joss | the size |
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| 18:50.56 | joss | ShellEvil: oh tired for today, you mean one alcaline battery? |
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| 18:51.49 | ShellEvil | joss: no - a lithium-ion one |
| 18:52.17 | joss | ok, you could make one then i guess |
| 18:52.28 | joss | but provide it's measures all measures please |
| 18:52.46 | joss | 80mm long 20mm with and xx? |
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| 18:52.52 | ShellEvil | Or an 8cm*8cm battery 1cm thick |
| 18:52.53 | joss | 2mm diameter sorry |
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| 18:55.08 | ShellEvil | The point is that you need a moderately physically large battery to run the modem for any time. |
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| 18:55.48 | ShellEvil | From 8*8*1cm to 4*8*1cm, depending on assumptions, for 5h |
| 18:57.59 | joss | ShellEvil: yeah that is the deal, nokia lions are like 2mm thick |
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| 18:58.11 | ShellEvil | joss: where do you get this idea? |
| 18:58.15 | ShellEvil | joss: they're not. |
| 18:58.25 | joss | i am holding one |
| 18:58.36 | joss | bl-5v 3.7v |
| 18:58.38 | ShellEvil | Most nokia batteries are not 2mm thick. |
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| 18:59.08 | joss | so 3.7v does not suite powering this usb thingy? |
| 18:59.49 | mjr | AAARGH |
| 18:59.53 | mmontour | 3.7V is too low to power a USB device |
| 18:59.56 | mjr | (never mind me) |
| 19:00.31 | joss | yeah: then better is to buy too phones allready |
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| 19:00.48 | Gast_151_ | hi |
| 19:01.13 | joss | mjr: this wildness i do not understand mostly, what that converter does, i guess that just wouldn't work without other chipsets that FR has:) |
| 19:01.21 | ShellEvil | I suggest you go and get a ruler. 2mm sounds unlikely. |
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| 19:02.11 | ShellEvil | Unless it's much wider than other nokia batteries. |
| 19:03.03 | joss | ShellEvil: 1cm is that 6v battery or 9v battery from usbcell |
| 19:03.28 | ShellEvil | do you mean bl-5c? |
| 19:03.34 | joss | http://www.usbcell.com/product/5 |
| 19:03.54 | ShellEvil | neither |
| 19:04.06 | ShellEvil | Those are stupidly low capacity |
| 19:04.16 | joss | this one, bl-5c is something similar to this http://www.usbcell.com/product/6 |
| 19:04.36 | ShellEvil | the bl-5c is around _8_ mm |
| 19:04.38 | ShellEvil | thick |
| 19:04.54 | ShellEvil | I suggest you go and look up what 'mm' means. |
| 19:05.04 | joss | ShellEvil: uuh, ok |
| 19:05.09 | joss | :) |
| 19:05.52 | ShellEvil | 5.6 even - now I measure one. |
| 19:07.46 | joss | ShellEvil: where did you get one? |
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| 19:09.39 | joss | i think it's 40mmx20mmx3mm something like that |
| 19:10.00 | joss | do not have a ruler though |
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| 19:11.41 | joss | BL-5C battery which measures 53 x 33.8 x 5.6 mm |
| 19:11.51 | joss | yeah right, little off |
| 19:12.07 | joss | so your one would be 80x80x10? |
| 19:14.42 | SpeedEvil | It depends on assumptions,. |
| 19:15.00 | SpeedEvil | It may be half that - depending on the sort of battery. That was just an example. |
| 19:15.10 | SpeedEvil | And the modem may use less power. |
| 19:16.10 | joss | SpeedEvil: half of that would be nokias battery, which i will buy from you two even if you make such:) |
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| 19:17.39 | SpeedEvil | 80*40*1cm is considerably larger than the nokia battery. It's also storing a _lot_ more power |
| 19:18.28 | joss | SpeedEvil: so you can not make it as nokias size? |
| 19:20.12 | SpeedEvil | joss: The smaller it is - the less time it would support the modem. |
| 19:21.07 | joss | SpeedEvil: i know, but i think i would use it like 1hour a day, just gprs prices for such surfing are way too high here |
| 19:21.10 | SpeedEvil | Also, I'm not very interested in getting in to making one-offs like this, sorry. |
| 19:21.18 | SpeedEvil | 1/5th of the volume, 1/5th of the up-time |
| 19:21.41 | SpeedEvil | Why not just plug it into the FR? |
| 19:21.48 | snp_ | Hello there, with the 2008.8 rel and with the latest qtopia 4.3.2 what would be a battery life for a daily usage(just an estimate)? |
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| 19:23.25 | joss | SpeedEvil: dunno, seems a bit wird then, to hold the device, i thought i can plug in the modem from other pocket , or smth like that |
| 19:23.58 | joss | SpeedEvil: so it is really possible to do a little battery that would last little also? |
| 19:24.09 | joss | and pass 5v |
| 19:24.36 | SpeedEvil | Yes. The problem is that tehre are annoying bits to making it relible and actually workable. |
| 19:25.16 | SpeedEvil | It's got to charge properly from a USB port, which is not trivial, automatically stop discharging when the battery gets too flat, to avoid damaging, make a one-off case for it, ... |
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| 19:26.00 | SpeedEvil | Easy if you're making 10K, not so easy if you're making one. |
| 19:26.14 | joss | SpeedEvil: :) ok so it just isn't that easy |
| 19:26.14 | mmontour | It would be simpler if you don't need charging circuitry (i.e. if you're willing to charge the batteries in an external charger) |
| 19:27.23 | Blastur | hey SpeedEvil |
| 19:27.40 | Blastur | is it possible to buy your helicopter thingie in parts yet? |
| 19:27.42 | joss | mmontour: you guys kind a think that you assamble such battery from peaces not using an allready existing 3.7v? |
| 19:28.03 | alx___ | someone would be interested by a way to load geocaching.com locs into tangogps? |
| 19:28.20 | alx___ | I'm dev a script, just to know want to betatest when finish |
| 19:28.26 | joss | mmontour: get's little too complicated, i satisfied with this usbcell one nokia look a like, that can be attached to usb port, when it is empty |
| 19:29.55 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: I will never be selling it in parts, only assembled as a finished product. |
| 19:31.21 | joss | SpeedEvil: so you wont make batteries for me yes? |
| 19:32.41 | mmontour | joss: the better question to ask (for SpeedEvil or somebody else) is "what would it cost for you to make me a ..." |
| 19:33.02 | mmontour | where the "..." includes things like how much current your device requires, what size of battery you want to power it from, etc. |
| 19:33.07 | joss | mmontour: which is exactly whay i am asking |
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| 19:34.36 | joss | http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:l_psRJ04xBcJ:www.tribase.cz/drivers/adsl_cdma/cdma_anydata_ADU_E100H/Easy%2520Wireless%2520Net%2520Manual(English).pdf+anydata+usb+modem+batteries&hl=et&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=ee |
| 19:35.04 | joss | this one for isntance, that luckily has batteries as well, but others might not have |
| 19:35.30 | joss | mmontour: some arbitary usb belutooth wireless adapter, since this one would pass power ahead also |
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| 19:39.20 | joss | mmontour: its battery is also 4.2v lio-on not 5v, weird |
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| 19:41.16 | joss | ok ShellEvil: batteries for this one for instance http://www.iogear.com/support/manual/GBU221P.pdf |
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| 19:41.43 | mmontour | The voltage of a single lithium-ion cell depends on how fully charged it is. Fully charged will be about 4.2, down to below 3.7 as it discharges |
| 19:43.10 | joss | mmontour: i myself just do not understand, how they make it always pass 5v that's it, and i can not make these batteries cause i do not know how |
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| 19:44.11 | joss | and i also do not know how to solder the batterie connectors to that adapters dc input, perhaps radioshack has some converters |
| 19:44.25 | joss | since that can not be charged via usb port, that is occupied |
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| 19:44.32 | harnir | hello |
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| 19:45.17 | mmontour | joss: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_converter explains the theory. I don't expect you to build it yourself, but you can at least define your problem clearly enough that someone with the necessary skills can give you a price quote (or explain why it's impossible to build what you want) |
| 19:45.36 | mmontour | E.g. for that first device it specifies a max current of 800mA at 5V |
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| 19:46.29 | mmontour | Someone could build a circuit to supply this from a Nokia BL-5C, but it would drain the battery quite quickly |
| 19:48.49 | joss | mmontour: tired for today, need to eat something,well 3hours is not that quick for me |
| 19:51.55 | RayDar | Is the battery life better on the FR than on the neo1973? |
| 19:52.27 | cjb | it has a larger battery |
| 19:52.46 | RayDar | OH. I thought it was the same capacity battery in the FR. |
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| 19:53.19 | mmontour | cjb: they're both 1200 mAh. |
| 19:53.24 | cjb | oh. huh. |
| 19:53.38 | mmontour | At one point the FR specs said 1700 mAh, but that didn't happen |
| 19:53.42 | sledgeas | hello oh the salvators of the troubled ones! |
| 19:53.55 | RayDar | 1800 mAh would be schweet |
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| 19:56.43 | sledgeas | i cannot seem to get rid of this problem: usb 6-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 .. i have all modules (cdc_ether, usbnet) etc (ttyACM0 works perfect), newest om2008.8 of todays (same about the testing kernel) |
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| 20:07.31 | Daenyth|Work | How can I control the power from CLI? turn wifi/gps/bluetooth/gsm on/off? |
| 20:07.39 | Daenyth|Work | like the menu I get if I hold power |
| 20:07.49 | ShellEvil | echo 0/1 >/sys/foo |
| 20:07.52 | ShellEvil | typically |
| 20:07.53 | Daenyth|Work | aha |
| 20:08.02 | Daenyth|Work | just gotta find the right entries? |
| 20:08.08 | ShellEvil | yes - the wiki has links |
| 20:08.11 | Daenyth|Work | thanks |
| 20:08.18 | Daenyth|Work | I'll look into it when I have a bit more time |
| 20:08.26 | Daenyth|Work | and maybe I'll write a script to frontend it :) |
| 20:08.28 | Daenyth|Work | later |
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| 20:08.42 | joss | ShellEvil: how are you typing with it ? it lacks qwerty as i have seen? |
| 20:08.49 | joss | ShellEvil: ts keyboard? |
| 20:09.04 | ShellEvil | joss: I'm not at the moment, using pc |
| 20:09.36 | joss | ShellEvil: no your example, it involves echoing, how should he do it? |
| 20:09.44 | ShellEvil | ssh in |
| 20:10.00 | ShellEvil | or use onboard keyboard |
| 20:10.18 | joss | ShellEvil: freerunner has built-in keyboard? |
| 20:10.27 | ShellEvil | the touchscreen versions |
| 20:11.15 | joss | ShellEvil: ok, how about that battery then, what price? |
| 20:11.21 | joss | batteries |
| 20:11.42 | ShellEvil | joss: Designing and building one simply isn't really worth it. |
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| 20:12.39 | joss | ShellEvil: yeah i agree, two, but still, especially if none anyways interested in the future of that small battery:( |
| 20:13.08 | joss | should get two phones, i do not know, why they do not make, all cdma freqs and all gsm freqs qwerty phone |
| 20:13.15 | joss | should be possible, seeing those chip charts |
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| 20:13.56 | joss | asp-505 does 450/800 cdma, no keyboard, no gsm |
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| 20:23.09 | mmaestri | a little offtopic, but...anyone heard about chromium? |
| 20:23.59 | wurp2|working | The video game? |
| 20:25.13 | mmaestri | google browser. windows version is out, linux version is coming |
| 20:25.34 | wurp2|working | mmaestri: I think that's just Chrome |
| 20:26.21 | mmaestri | yes, i was confusing the actual web browser with the project code name |
| 20:27.17 | Torikun | anyone going to the openmoko meeting in San Francisco tonight? |
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| 20:38.54 | tg | hi |
| 20:39.17 | lindi- | Torikun: san francisco is too far away from finland :) |
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| 20:44.52 | piksi | will there be a GTA02v6 or anything similar soon for freerunner and has the power saving been improved from the one day said in the wiki? |
| 20:45.05 | piksi | can anyone tell their experiences of battery life with qtopia? |
| 20:45.18 | ShellEvil | piksi-: not really |
| 20:45.28 | ShellEvil | piksi-: battery life is very much a work in progress. |
| 20:45.29 | johnsu01 | piksi: Battery life is pretty poor on Qtopia, but basically usable |
| 20:45.49 | ShellEvil | Various images may or may not have slightly better or worse battery life. |
| 20:46.04 | johnsu01 | piksi: definitely a lot less than a full day of minimal use |
| 20:46.10 | ShellEvil | The stuff that would enable actual decent battery life on any image have not yet been implemented. |
| 20:46.12 | piksi | uh |
| 20:46.19 | mmontour | GTA02v6 already exists (minor pcb/hardware changes from v5). |
| 20:46.28 | piksi | sorry, i meant GTA02v7 |
| 20:46.35 | piksi | i've read some rumour posts in the mailing list |
| 20:46.42 | ShellEvil | (decent = 20h mp3, 5-6 hours talk, a week standby |
| 20:46.58 | ShellEvil | The current hardware can do much better in terms of battery life. |
| 20:47.02 | mmontour | I haven't heard anything recent about v7 |
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| 20:47.13 | ShellEvil | VEry little of the required software is implemented. |
| 20:47.20 | rafael2k | hi there |
| 20:47.29 | RayDar | ShellEvil: Hehehe: It is currently far below that. It is basically not usable as a main phone. I have faith that will one day change. |
| 20:47.39 | piksi | ShellEvil: that's great. then i'll just have to wait and adopt it when it's close to the decent |
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| 20:48.18 | rafael2k | hi there! do anyone knows any solution for secure (cryptografy) conversation for cell-phone (using openmoko or not)? |
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| 20:48.40 | ShellEvil | rafael2k: speak gibberish. |
| 20:49.01 | piksi | i'm hoping to replace my main phone with freerunner as soon as it's at least a few days of normal usage before battery runs out |
| 20:49.11 | RayDar | Don't criminals mainly want secure cryptographic phone calls? |
| 20:49.49 | rafael2k | ShellEvil: any sollution for cell-phone on how to speak to another person through a secure (cyphered) line |
| 20:50.04 | viq | RayDar: oh, not again "if you're a good citizen you've got nothing to hide" |
| 20:50.04 | ShellEvil | tries to recall. |
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| 20:50.14 | ShellEvil | zoophone? |
| 20:50.18 | RayDar | piksi: Yeah, that would be sweet. Right now the only things holding me back are the battery life and the lack of GPRS functionality (on my neo1973). |
| 20:50.26 | rafael2k | RayDar: and people that don't want the government to listen you :) |
| 20:50.27 | ShellEvil | no |
| 20:50.29 | viq | There was this Zimmerman's addition to VoIP, zfone ? |
| 20:50.31 | ieatlint | RayDar, no, we just use pig latin, fools the cops every time.. |
| 20:50.43 | ShellEvil | raychan: both of those are software |
| 20:50.54 | ShellEvil | ah yeah |
| 20:50.55 | ShellEvil | that |
| 20:51.12 | ShellEvil | no - not that |
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| 20:51.15 | raychan | ? |
| 20:51.51 | rafael2k | but zfone do not apply to common no-ip phones, right? |
| 20:52.13 | viq | right |
| 20:52.18 | ShellEvil | rafael2k: you can't do simple encryption of voice - it has to be over data |
| 20:52.28 | rafael2k | ShellEvil: I know |
| 20:52.39 | RayDar | viq: I am totally not one of those who say "if you're a good citizen you've got nothing to hide". I actually fall well on the other side. Privacy should be a right added to our (I'm in the US) constitution. |
| 20:52.46 | ShellEvil | ah - cryptophone |
| 20:52.57 | viq | RayDar: ah, good |
| 20:53.27 | ShellEvil | http://www.gsmk.de/ |
| 20:53.49 | rafael2k | I really don't know why cryptografy is not as widespread as it should be |
| 20:53.58 | ShellEvil | rafael2k: it's a conspiracy. |
| 20:54.26 | ShellEvil | rafael2k: and some people can spell. |
| 20:54.34 | rafael2k | ShellEvil: It's not, it's openlly declared :) |
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| 20:55.11 | nyu | hello pretty, what's your phone number (and your public key fingerprint)? |
| 20:55.11 | rafael2k | http://www.gsmk.de/ :) |
| 20:55.19 | nyu | it'd be so fun |
| 20:55.36 | ShellEvil | nyu: there are ways round that in principle. |
| 20:55.43 | nyu | ShellEvil: CAs? |
| 20:56.42 | rafael2k | you number could be your public key :) |
| 20:56.42 | ShellEvil | nyu: but they rely on widespread adoption of protocols. |
| 20:56.42 | ShellEvil | nyu: for example, share a number with a phone in contact with my phone, and get her pubic key automatically. |
| 20:56.51 | nyu | I want her pubic key |
| 20:56.59 | ShellEvil | sighs. |
| 20:57.10 | ShellEvil | stabs his keyboard. |
| 20:57.18 | nyu | ShellEvil: nm I got the point ;-) |
| 21:01.11 | xhr17 | what is better: 2008.8 or Qtopia? |
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| 21:05.18 | xhr17 | ... |
| 21:05.52 | mmontour | xhr17: it's subjective, like asking whether coke or pepsi is better |
| 21:06.10 | xhr17 | ok, what one has a better mp3 player? |
| 21:06.24 | xhr17 | as in, able to play mp3s without crashing. |
| 21:06.52 | mmontour | dunno, haven't tried |
| 21:07.02 | xhr17 | what about phone calls? |
| 21:07.28 | mmontour | probably Qtopia, but I haven't tried 2008.8 since the initial release |
| 21:07.34 | xhr17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.38 | xhr17 | what are you using now? |
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| 21:07.42 | viq | xhr17: the short answer is "yes" ;) |
| 21:08.11 | mmontour | I'm using something that resembles FSO-unstable, but I spend most of my time hacking low-level stuff (like the PMU and u-boot) rather than end-user apps |
| 21:08.47 | xhr17 | my priorities are 1) mp3 player, 2) phone calls, 3) wireless internet. |
| 21:09.13 | xhr17 | qtopia kicks ass as a phone, but the media player crashes ever mp3 i open. |
| 21:09.55 | xhr17 | and it has no web or wireless. |
| 21:10.41 | Torikun | Open Moko Meeting tonight in SF ! |
| 21:11.36 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r1da31348a9b0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the revision of assassin to 230 |
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| 21:23.11 | Gromgull | Anyone know anything about bitbake? I'd like to try to build the scummvm bitbake recipe... but I'm having some trouble |
| 21:23.21 | Gromgull | I guess this will involve installing a lot of things... |
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| 21:24.33 | admiral0 | hi |
| 21:27.01 | abraxa_ | Gromgull: It's always good to show a pastebin of the console output that shows the error :) |
| 21:27.30 | Gromgull | bb.parse.ParseError: Could not inherit file classes/autotools.bbclass |
| 21:27.52 | Gromgull | i guess I am missing the whole development toolchain |
| 21:28.07 | abraxa_ | Using MokoMakefile or OE manually? |
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| 21:28.21 | Gromgull | I just run bitbake on the scummvm.bb file |
| 21:28.28 | joss | mmontour: http://www.intersil.com/data/an/AN1256.pdf |
| 21:28.30 | Gromgull | My ignorance knows no limits here though... |
| 21:28.40 | joss | mmontour: wonder how big that would be? |
| 21:28.43 | abraxa_ | Gromgull: How did you set up the OpenEmbedded environment? |
| 21:28.54 | Gromgull | I didn't... apart from installing the cross-compiler |
| 21:29.03 | abraxa_ | How did you obtain bitbake then? |
| 21:29.15 | Gromgull | apt-get install bitbake :) |
| 21:29.22 | abraxa_ | Ouch... |
| 21:29.25 | abraxa_ | Okay |
| 21:29.42 | Gromgull | I guess following this: http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Getting_Started |
| 21:29.45 | Gromgull | is not the way forward? |
| 21:29.51 | Gromgull | there is a openmoko specific approach? |
| 21:29.56 | abraxa_ | Gromgull: Please use http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 21:30.13 | abraxa_ | That'll make things tremendously easier for you |
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| 21:31.21 | Gromgull | Ok - i'll got off and read this page and follow instructions :) |
| 21:31.22 | Gromgull | thanks |
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| 21:32.10 | abraxa_ | When you're done setting up the environment, a simple "make build-package-scummvm" will do exactly what you wanted |
| 21:33.59 | Gromgull | what OM_GIT_BRANCH would I use for 2008.08? |
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| 21:34.31 | abraxa_ | See the Environment section on the wiki |
| 21:34.36 | abraxa_ | 2008.8 = ASU |
| 21:35.24 | kW | How can I run libgsmd-tool on Om2008.8? |
| 21:36.26 | wurp2|working | kW: In theory you could install gsmd, kill Qtopia, and start gsmd |
| 21:36.29 | abraxa_ | kW: I'd be quite surprised if 2008.8 uses libgsmd. |
| 21:36.46 | kW | I have "libgsmd" installed as a package on Om2008.8 |
| 21:37.03 | kW | and "gsmd" running |
| 21:37.07 | wurp2|working | Of course, I've never run 2008.8, so I'm wildly speculating based on what I think I know about it + what I know about libgsmd-tool :-) |
| 21:37.09 | Gromgull | kW: then it will conflict with qpe, they will fight over the modem device |
| 21:37.12 | Gromgull | and nothing will work :) |
| 21:37.30 | kW | Gromgull: are you sure? |
| 21:37.30 | abraxa_ | wurp2|working: Funny... I do the same thing. I guess only end-users use 2008.8 :) |
| 21:37.47 | wurp2|working | heh |
| 21:37.49 | admiral0 | an alternative program to zhone in theFSO? |
| 21:37.56 | wurp2|working | I have yet to hear anything about 2008.8 that makes me want to run it |
| 21:38.14 | Gromgull | kW: I had gsmd installed until today and the dialer did not work |
| 21:38.23 | Gromgull | although killing qpe and using libgsmd made it work |
| 21:38.28 | kW | Gromgull: so "libgsmd" is worth uninstalling? |
| 21:38.32 | Gromgull | yes |
| 21:38.37 | CVirus | wurp2|working: you think milestone 2 is usable as a daily phone ? |
| 21:38.38 | mmontour | joss: here's another converter chip. It's available in a 4mm x 4mm package (not including the space needed for external components) - http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps61030.pdf |
| 21:38.39 | Gromgull | you can uninstall all packages with gsm in the name |
| 21:38.46 | Gromgull | and qpe should work then.. |
| 21:38.50 | wurp2|working | CVirus: I used MS1 for a while |
| 21:39.02 | wurp2|working | I can consistently dial & receive calls, and had more than 1 day battery life |
| 21:39.14 | kW | Gromgull: I see, this is why gpe does not work by default? |
| 21:39.14 | wurp2|working | w/ MS2 you can send/receive SMS too |
| 21:39.23 | CVirus | wurp2|working: with or without suspend ? |
| 21:39.26 | Gromgull | kW: Are any gsm packages installed by default? |
| 21:39.31 | wurp2|working | CVirus: with suspend |
| 21:39.36 | wurp2|working | CVirus: Does suspend not work on MS2? |
| 21:39.38 | CVirus | wurp2|working: no white screen of deaht ? |
| 21:39.39 | CVirus | death* |
| 21:39.43 | wurp2|working | CVirus: nope |
| 21:39.51 | admiral0 | wurp2|working: i have a daily build from shr.bearstech.com |
| 21:39.51 | CVirus | wurp2|working: I have no clue .. I don't even have a freerunner yet :-) |
| 21:40.01 | admiral0 | equals suicide |
| 21:40.04 | wurp2|working | CVirus: I don't either |
| 21:40.05 | CVirus | wurp2|working: you never get wsod ?? |
| 21:40.07 | wurp2|working | CVirus: gta01 |
| 21:40.07 | kW | Gromgull: I thought so, however, I've installed some packages like "openmoko-dailer2" |
| 21:40.17 | wurp2|working | CVirus: Oh, I do, but I never did with MS 1 |
| 21:40.19 | CVirus | wurp2|working: no gta01 either |
| 21:40.43 | Gromgull | ah yes - the openmoko-dialer conflicts with the qtopia dialer |
| 21:40.48 | wurp2|working | CVirus: There are a few kernel/rootfs combos that have good suspend & resume |
| 21:40.54 | joss | mmontour: yeah . that earlier was even smaller |
| 21:41.07 | wurp2|working | admiral0: OK |
| 21:41.24 | kW | Gromgull: I have the problem that some SIM card is not being accepted as it looks like, how can I debug this? |
| 21:41.26 | CVirus | wurp2|working: I see |
| 21:41.56 | Gromgull | kW ... hmm - debugging it seems easier with gsmd and libgsmd-tool |
| 21:42.06 | Gromgull | you can kill qpe and NOT restart it |
| 21:42.17 | joss | mmontour: how to know, if the pda usb port is powered from pda battery or not? i see that openmoko's us powered, htc-linux guys say there devices port aren't needs a power cable to work |
| 21:42.19 | joss | ? |
| 21:42.20 | Gromgull | and then open the gsmd log in one ssh session and use the tool in the other |
| 21:42.31 | Gromgull | I've not found a good way to debug gsm stuff with qpe |
| 21:42.42 | kW | Gromgull: but how do I get the tool installed? |
| 21:42.46 | Wonka | Gromgull: you might want to read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_network_registration and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards |
| 21:42.58 | Wonka | kW: you might want to read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_network_registration and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards |
| 21:43.02 | Gromgull | opkg install gsmd-tools |
| 21:43.10 | Wonka | <- a little... confused |
| 21:43.44 | Gromgull | Wonka: thanks - but it actually works for me now :) |
| 21:44.03 | Wonka | Gromgull: what did you do to solve it? |
| 21:44.22 | Wonka | argh. |
| 21:44.23 | Gromgull | i removed all packages with gsm in the name |
| 21:44.30 | Gromgull | and then qpe "just worked" |
| 21:44.33 | Gromgull | although it took a while to register |
| 21:44.39 | Gromgull | no 3G sim though |
| 21:45.02 | kW | Gromgull: |
| 21:45.03 | kW | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install gsmd-tools |
| 21:45.03 | kW | An error ocurred, return value: 2 |
| 21:45.10 | Wonka | mh. my pin is not accepted despite being correct... works in other gsm handsets |
| 21:45.21 | kW | Wonka: this is my problem... |
| 21:45.27 | Wonka | kW: libgsm-tools maybe |
| 21:46.07 | Gromgull | libgsmd-tools |
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| 21:46.09 | Wonka | kW: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:O2-sim-nonworking-tesa.jpg is the sim that doesn't work for me... |
| 21:46.23 | Gromgull | I have the testing repositories setup - it might live there |
| 21:46.39 | kW | Gromgull: "opkg install libgsmd-tools" seems to work |
| 21:46.41 | Wonka | kW: and it's not a short to ground on the sim card holder - i've masked the contacts off with tesa tape |
| 21:47.12 | Gromgull | kW: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#The_bleeding_edge:_Om_.22base_.2F_empty.22_images |
| 21:47.19 | Gromgull | try adding test testing.conf to /etc/opkg |
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| 21:47.26 | Gromgull | this gives you lots of other updates as well |
| 21:47.48 | Gromgull | run opkg upgrade through screen - it will upgrade sshd |
| 21:49.31 | wurp2|working | admiral0: dialer3 will be an alternative to the zhone phone app, but it's incomplete now |
| 21:49.33 | kW | Gromgull: thank you for the hint :-) |
| 21:49.43 | Gromgull | n.p. |
| 21:51.06 | admiral0 | wurp2|working: in the meantime i was creating some utilities for backup and bash automatization |
| 21:51.58 | wurp2|working | admiral0: I am confused... each of your sentences make sense but I don't see how they fit together with each other or with mine :-) |
| 21:52.50 | kW | Gromgull: interesting, I could make the SIM card work (maybe I just did not power up the GSM antenna in settings, I do not know), but when setting up a call in command line, I do not hear anything |
| 21:53.04 | Gromgull | abraxa_: now - with the makefile and OE setup I now get the following: http://pastebin.com/m7bef873b |
| 21:53.15 | Gromgull | kW: nor did I ... |
| 21:53.22 | Gromgull | I dont know how the commandline works with audio... |
| 21:53.49 | admiral0 | wurp2|working: just don't worry. i'm after a very full day... btw dialer3 when? %? |
| 21:54.15 | wurp2|working | When is unknown :-( %, I would guess 70+ |
| 21:54.26 | wurp2|working | The issue is that the back end stuff is all done |
| 21:54.44 | wurp2|working | But the UI guy has hit a stumbling block, and we haven't gotten anyone to pick up again on it |
| 21:54.49 | abraxa_ | Gromgull: You're not supposed to have bitbake installed through your distribution - remove it please, and use the one MokoMakefile provides for you |
| 21:54.58 | sledgeas | emdete: edistar said you have info about getting NAND's flash bad blocks. my new FR (datecode 20080725) was suffering kernel panics etc as soon as i have reflashed it with 2008.8. im still suffering with USB cdc_ether, i'm getting `device descriptor read/64, error -110' and no solution found out there on the net does not work.. (u-boot,rootfs -- from Openmoko_update page, kernel (20080902,too) -- from daily page. the 20080825 kernel from releases/_update page |
| 21:55.10 | kW | and "gsmd-tool" crashes on listing all SMS messages |
| 21:55.24 | sledgeas | s/getting NAND's flash bad blocks/getting around with NAND's flash bad blocks |
| 21:55.42 | Gromgull | abraxa_: ah - good point |
| 21:55.52 | Gromgull | that changed nothing do |
| 21:55.53 | Gromgull | though |
| 21:55.57 | Gromgull | I sourced the env-setup first |
| 21:56.01 | Gromgull | so it should use the right one |
| 21:56.15 | wurp2|working | admiral0: Fortunately, aleix just got shr into the mokomake process, and gave me some bitbake pointers. Hopefully I can get MarcOChapeau past his problem and we can get this out the door |
| 21:56.56 | admiral0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.10 | abraxa_ | Gromgull: Well, did you try "make build-package-scummvm"? |
| 21:57.45 | Gromgull | no :) |
| 21:57.51 | admiral0 | i was even thinking to code as quickly as possible a new dialer and message center... |
| 21:58.24 | admiral0 | with the frameworrk it's easy |
| 21:58.58 | Gromgull | abraxa_: Do I have to actually build the openmoko image? I only did make setup and machine setup - since I have no interest in building all of openmoko really |
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| 22:00.07 | abraxa_ | Gromgull: scummvm depends on certain things - bitbake will build all dependencies. I don't think it'll be more than the toolchain, but I haven't tried myself, as I always build the entire distro anyway. |
| 22:00.21 | wurp2|working | admiral0: We would love to have you! |
| 22:00.37 | abraxa_ | Gromgull: Why do you want to build it anyway? Do you want to add patches or work on the source? |
| 22:00.38 | wurp2|working | admiral0: by "the framework", you mean FSO or libframework-glib? |
| 22:01.03 | wurp2|working | admiral0: We all hang out in #openmoko-cdevel... much lower traffic, and mostly about shr |
| 22:01.08 | admiral0 | FSO obviously |
| 22:01.18 | admiral0 | lovely |
| 22:01.20 | Gromgull | The binary provided doesn't work ... it says simply "./scummvm not found" although it IS there... and it was mainly an exercise to teach myself things before I try to make another bb recipe for pingus... |
| 22:01.54 | wurp2|working | admiral0: Not obviously... libframework-glib is a library Ainulindale built on top of FSO to make it easy to do C development on FSO |
| 22:01.55 | abraxa_ | Gromgull: Check with "file scummvm" if the binary is really for armv4t |
| 22:02.20 | Gromgull | ./scummvm: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1, for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 22:02.25 | Gromgull | i guess it's built for 1973 |
| 22:02.27 | Gromgull | not freerunner |
| 22:02.39 | admiral0 | wurp2|working: that means that was obvious for me... i work mostly in python(but c doesn't scare me) |
| 22:02.40 | Gromgull | vs for example opkg : http://pastebin.com/m7bef873b |
| 22:02.45 | Gromgull | eh |
| 22:02.47 | Gromgull | ./opkg-cl: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 22:02.53 | Gromgull | that's what I wanted, ignore the pastebin |
| 22:02.53 | wurp2|working | ah |
| 22:03.01 | Gromgull | (SYSV) might make the difference? |
| 22:03.35 | abraxa_ | Gromgull: Where did you obtain the binary from? The HORRIBLY outdated wiki page? |
| 22:03.43 | Gromgull | yep :) |
| 22:03.59 | abraxa_ | There you go then. That binary uses OABI, we use EABI now |
| 22:04.34 | Gromgull | Ok - so i need to rebuild it :) |
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| 22:05.25 | AntonTakk | anyone here happen to know how to do a kinetic scroll list in edje? |
| 22:05.32 | kW | Wonka: my yallo SIM card looks like this one http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:O2-sim-nonworking-tesa.jpg |
| 22:05.40 | kW | Wonka: what does this mean to me? |
| 22:05.46 | abraxa_ | Gromgull: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/om-gta01/scummvm_0.9.1-r4_om-gta01.ipk should work just fine |
| 22:05.53 | Wonka | kW: no idea |
| 22:06.55 | Gromgull | abraxa_: thanks! Trying!... NOW for future fun and hacking - I would still like to get the building to work - but maybe not today |
| 22:08.02 | abraxa_ | Gromgull: You're welcome, and keep bugging here if you run into issues |
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| 22:08.11 | Wonka | so i'd just need some zcode games now, nor? ;) |
| 22:08.12 | AntonTakk | admiral0: the message center you are working on - sms only, or e-mail too? |
| 22:08.32 | Gromgull | I will :) |
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| 22:10.54 | admiral0 | AntonTakk: nice idea e-mail... i think i'll join shr guys . the developing process will be faster |
| 22:11.30 | Gromgull | hmm... abraxa_: that package claims it's not "compatible with the architectures configured" ... gta-01 - i have a 02 ... |
| 22:12.10 | abraxa_ | Gromgull: Okay, lemme find a better ipk then |
| 22:12.19 | Gromgull | No stress :) |
| 22:12.56 | abraxa_ | Na, I'm editing the wiki page so people don't run into the issue anymore - hence I need a package to link to. |
| 22:13.00 | abraxa_ | You're my guinea pig ;) |
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| 22:19.10 | abraxa_ | Gromgull: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/scummvm_0.9.1-r4_armv4t.ipk |
| 22:19.27 | Gromgull | trying... |
| 22:19.36 | abraxa_ | There's also stuff like http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/snes9x-sdl_1.39-r3_armv4t.ipk if you feel like it ;) |
| 22:20.04 | Gromgull | oooh! interesting... |
| 22:20.32 | Gromgull | screw the fact that the phonecall quality is awful - the suspend completely broken and the interface painful... I can play Topgear! |
| 22:20.38 | Gromgull | with a stylus ... |
| 22:20.41 | Gromgull | hmm |
| 22:20.41 | Gromgull | :) |
| 22:22.03 | abraxa_ | hehe |
| 22:22.08 | Tig|_ | Gromgull: flash playback? |
| 22:22.14 | Gromgull | ScummVM works! |
| 22:22.20 | abraxa_ | You might want to check out http://buildhost.automated.it/scummvm/scummvm.tar.bz2 and use the openmoko-scummvm script |
| 22:22.28 | Gromgull | that was in the package |
| 22:22.51 | abraxa_ | It was? |
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| 22:31.24 | Gromgull | yes |
| 22:31.28 | Gromgull | abraxa_: yes |
| 22:31.41 | Gromgull | it's mentioned in the .bb script as well |
| 22:32.11 | abraxa_ | Gromgull: Yeah, it's there. Great. |
| 22:32.22 | Gromgull | ... now how do I get the keyboard to enter the copy protection? :) |
| 22:33.18 | Gromgull | "WARNING: Could not open audio device: Out of memory!" |
| 22:33.18 | Gromgull | hehe |
| 22:33.37 | Gromgull | and the mapping of aux to F5 seems flaky |
| 22:33.39 | Gromgull | or rather, broken |
| 22:34.43 | abraxa_ | Well, keyboard... that's where we'll have to patch scummvm to make it work, me thinks |
| 22:34.51 | abraxa_ | Stock scummvm doesn't have to deal with such stuff |
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| 22:35.49 | Gromgull | oh well - this is far enough for tonight I think |
| 22:35.53 | Gromgull | I will return with more questions another day |
| 22:36.06 | abraxa_ | Sure thing - sleep well |
| 22:36.17 | Gromgull | thanks again |
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| 22:36.43 | hb9egm | hi there |
| 22:37.26 | hb9egm | from the wiki: "Your phone will go into standby after 30 seconds EVEN when connected to your computer or wall charger. (Disable this under the settings menu)" Is that fixed? I disabled suspend, but it doesn't work |
| 22:37.31 | hb9egm | it always shuts off |
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| 22:38.09 | Dave | Greetings |
| 22:38.14 | abraxa_ | hb9egm: I suggest you visit the trac and look |
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| 22:39.03 | hb9egm | abraxa_: the 2008.8 tickets ? |
| 22:40.38 | abraxa_ | hb9egm: I wouldn't narrow it down like this - it could be a kernel issue as well |
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| 22:42.17 | Xilent | i've just installed 2008 and i'm trying to do an opkg update but the phone suspends every 60 seconds and the ssh connection is killed |
| 22:43.05 | abraxa_ | hb9egm, looks like you're not alone. |
| 22:43.32 | johngay | That was why I wiped 2008 and went back to 2007.2 |
| 22:43.54 | kW | Wonka: Are you still there? |
| 22:44.05 | digger3 | Xilent: power settings seem broken in 2008. see the subject-thread "Re: Om2008.8 - latest update - FR suspends after 30 secs -" in the community mailing list |
| 22:44.14 | Wonka | kW: about half |
| 22:44.19 | kW | Wonka: you tell here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:O2-sim-nonworking-tesa.jpg something about grounding or isolating the sim card holder |
| 22:44.24 | kW | Wonka: where did you get that information? |
| 22:44.25 | hb9egm | executing "DISPLAY=:0 xset s off" seems to help, but I'll wait a few seconds more to confirm |
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| 22:45.02 | Wonka | kW: here on irc someone told he had a sim that worked when he pushed it to the side so the metal flap didn't touch the contact pad of the sim |
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| 22:45.38 | Wonka | kW: as you can see on the photograph, i masked the contacts off with tesa tape - no contact possible |
| 22:45.45 | kW | Wonka: yes, I suspect this to be a design bug |
| 22:45.46 | Wonka | kW: but it still doesn't work |
| 22:46.04 | Wonka | kW: of the SIM, IMO |
| 22:46.08 | kW | Wonka: did you mask the contacts on the openmoko side or on the sim side? |
| 22:46.20 | Wonka | kW: i put some tape on the sim |
| 22:46.24 | kW | Wonka: maybe, maybe not, depending on what the standards say |
| 22:46.27 | Wonka | kW: it's visible in the pic |
| 22:46.55 | mpr | use raster's 2008.08, it has an 'off' option for suspend in the settings dialog |
| 22:46.56 | kW | Wonka: I know... one of my non-working SIMs looks similar from the pinout |
| 22:47.06 | kW | Wonka: I see what you mean |
| 22:47.09 | mpr | and a better keyboard etc etc :) |
| 22:47.39 | Wonka | kW: I only left the 6 contact pads open that are needed for SIMs to work - no success |
| 22:48.01 | Wonka | kW: but it works in that masked condition in other devices - Siemens S65 for example |
| 22:48.09 | kW | Wonka: I see |
| 22:48.14 | kW | Wonka: I'll try your masking trick |
| 22:48.21 | Dave | Wonkas! |
| 22:48.26 | Wonka | kW: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/666 seems to hint at the TI Calypso Firmware |
| 22:48.34 | Dave | evil! |
| 22:48.54 | johngay | Can I get a link for rasters image? |
| 22:49.19 | mmontour | Wonka: another possibility is the voltage rating of the SIM (1.8V vs 2.5V or something like that). Not sure if this was ever confirmed as a problem, but it's something to consider |
| 22:49.29 | Dave | prods Xora |
| 22:49.34 | Dave | Hello Montour. |
| 22:49.45 | mmontour | Hi Dave. How's the lab? |
| 22:49.53 | Dave | john: http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ |
| 22:49.59 | Dave | last time I checked, anyway :) |
| 22:50.05 | Dave | Montour, it's nice and cold :) |
| 22:50.26 | Dave | Crap, that just reminded me I have to finish this test demo, and get my software going. |
| 22:50.50 | johngay | Though I'm quite enjoying 2007.2 ATM. AT&T SIM works, Wi-Fi and stuff. Only a few problems with timesheet and todo. |
| 22:50.54 | Dave | go go sql gis extensions! |
| 22:51.00 | Dave | john, yeah :) |
| 22:51.04 | Dave | which are minor |
| 22:51.10 | Dave | since they are APP based issues :P |
| 22:51.14 | Dave | and who uses that anyway :D |
| 22:51.18 | Dave | smirks |
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| 22:51.53 | johngay | I was looking forward to using timesheet if it was useful. Anyone got a pointer to a good copy of libtododb? |
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| 22:52.39 | Dave | :x |
| 22:52.46 | Dave | good copy? |
| 22:53.01 | johngay | Yea. The one on daily-feed is empty. |
| 22:53.23 | Dave | oh, lul |
| 22:53.31 | Wonka | mmontour: i just looked at #666 again, especially at ChaosEagle's SIM pics - my SIM looks like his (nonworking) older one |
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| 22:54.21 | Dave | http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/libtododb0_0.11-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 22:54.31 | johngay | Thanks! |
| 22:54.39 | Dave | Wonka :\ |
| 22:54.44 | Dave | That's rather discouraging. |
| 22:54.45 | Dave | heh |
| 22:57.21 | Wonka | i also tested the FR with my other SIM - a very old T-D1 reseller prepaid SIM - works just fine. PPP over GPRS just works. |
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| 22:57.47 | Wonka | so it's not a defective contact in the FR, neither is it a defectie contact in the SIM |
| 22:58.14 | Wonka | it's the combination of gemplus sim and freerunner |
| 22:59.05 | Dave | wonka, yep! |
| 22:59.21 | Dave | freerunner doesn't want to be friends with it :P |
| 23:01.21 | Dave | Man, I really ought to get my head around these python API's, if I could find some documentation on 'em :P |
| 23:05.13 | abraxa_ | Dave: Which APIs? |
| 23:08.40 | mmontour | Wonka: I really wish that Openmoko would put more effort into investigating and documenting the SIM problem (even though I'm not affected by it). |
| 23:08.43 | johngay | Thanx Dave, that worked great! |
| 23:09.11 | johngay | Now I just need to make sure it doesn't get replaced by the empty one again (-= |
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| 23:13.00 | ftnt | hi. is there a way to emulate right click? pls |
| 23:13.50 | Wonka | added his share to #666 |
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| 23:16.18 | kW | Wonka: after taping off the metal contact of the SIM card, I seem to be able to use the sim card perfectly |
| 23:16.28 | Wonka | kW: lucky one |
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| 23:21.07 | kW | I have another FAQ: How can I get a "normal" keyboard on Om2008.8? |
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| 23:22.58 | timo2k | ftnt: hey hello! it worked with your suggestions. Many thanks for that! have the keyboard I wanted now running :) |
| 23:23.21 | ftnt | <timo2k> great! |
| 23:23.23 | ftnt | ;) |
| 23:24.32 | kW | timo2k: what did you do? |
| 23:24.45 | timo2k | have applied upgrade to angstrom-distribution |
| 23:25.01 | timo2k | after that the matchbox keyboard shows up |
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| 23:26.09 | sontek | Hey, I forgot to plugin my phone lastnight and it died, now it wont start back up, its been plugged in for like 10 hours |
| 23:28.26 | timo2k | if someone too want the matchboxboard here is waht ive done, ftnt helped me a lot: http://pastebin.com/d546cacc0 |
| 23:28.29 | johngay | Sounds like the battery's too low to charge. |
| 23:28.46 | sontek | yeah, just found something here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_FAQ |
| 23:28.52 | sontek | that says it needs a charge to be able to boot |
| 23:28.55 | sontek | or I need a spare battery |
| 23:29.11 | sontek | can I send it back to openmoko to charge it for me? I don't have a spare battery |
| 23:30.00 | johngay | Find someone with a nokia phone and borrow their batter long enough to boot with. |
| 23:30.25 | johngay | It's not really a DOA problem (-; |
| 23:30.27 | KenYoung | sontek, Did you try leaving the battery out of the unit for about 1/2 hour before recharging? |
| 23:30.38 | sontek | I'm in the US, people don't really buy nokia's around here :P |
| 23:30.55 | ljp | well, perhaps they should |
| 23:30.59 | johngay | I've got one. |
| 23:31.09 | sontek | KenYoung: No, I let it sit and charge for about 10 hours today with the battery in it |
| 23:31.20 | sontek | KenYoung: and then I tried booting with it out of the phone with the charger plugged in |
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| 23:31.37 | sontek | johngay: Its sort of a DOA problem, it died and now it wont boot :P |
| 23:32.01 | johngay | But it's easily fixed and a known issue. |
| 23:32.05 | sontek | johngay: its a manufacturer defect really, I've never had a phone not be able to charge itself :P |
| 23:32.41 | mmontour | sontek: there are a couple of recent threads on the community ML. Try a few of the things suggested there, e.g. hold Aux as you insert the charger cable |
| 23:32.46 | johngay | Well, you knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred. |
| 23:32.51 | KenYoung | sontek, Sometimes, the phone gets into a bizarre state if it tries to boot on a low battery, but fails. The solution is to leave the battery out for a while, and then recharge for several hours before touching *any* buttons. My phone has been in that state several times. |
| 23:34.24 | Xilent | how to kill apps in 2008.08 ? |
| 23:34.57 | sontek | mmontour: tried the aux thing, it didn't work for me |
| 23:35.03 | sontek | KenYoung: i'll try to leave the battery out |
| 23:35.26 | sontek | hopefully if this doesn't work, om will be willing to replace the battery/charge it for me |
| 23:35.51 | KenYoung | sontek, I'll betcha it won't come to that. |
| 23:36.27 | sontek | I hope not, I'd hate to be without a phone for however long that would take :P |
| 23:36.39 | sontek | it was annoying enough to be without it for all of today =) |
| 23:36.56 | johngay | I'm sure it'd be quicker to find someone with a nokia first. |
| 23:37.14 | sontek | all my friends have treo's, blackberry's, and iphones |
| 23:37.23 | sontek | I don't know anyone with a nokia |
| 23:37.47 | sontek | I know a few with toshiba's and sony ericcsons, but nokia is kind of rare around these parts :P |
| 23:38.17 | sontek | would a nokia n810 battery work? I have a friend who has one of those |
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| 23:39.53 | johngay | Don't know if the n810 has the same battery or not. If it has the same connectors, it probably is. |
| 23:40.49 | johngay | You know, I've read lots of complaints about the FR waking randomly due to GSM activity and draining the battery. |
| 23:42.09 | johngay | And yet My Net10 Nokia 1600 does this all the time. It just lights up for no apparrent reason. I've never seen my FR light-up from DIM mode. |
| 23:42.14 | sontek | yeah, my phone wakes randomly too, but I usually remember to charge it :P |
| 23:42.20 | timo2k | sontek: take a look at the compatible replacement batteries: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery (hope the page is up to date) |
| 23:42.22 | sontek | lastnight I crashed without even taking contacts out |
| 23:43.18 | mmontour | sontek: do you see/hear anything at all when you try to boot? |
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| 23:44.23 | sontek | mmontour: It did have blinking red in the AUX button, but thats not there anymore either |
| 23:44.30 | sontek | mmontour: its completely silent and no lights |
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| 23:46.28 | mmontour | If you saw a blinking light then your battery may still have some voltage. I'd try a few of the sequences that have been suggested on the mailing list. |
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| 23:46.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r4d2581921b7f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin as of tick's request |
| 23:47.10 | sontek | mmontour: yeah, that was earlier today.. It definitely hasn't did that in like 4 hours |
| 23:47.31 | johngay | I don't suppose an USB hub is stupid enough to let me connect my FR to another device without having to find a mini-B male to A female adaptor, is it? |
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| 23:47.52 | mmontour | On a phone with the "completely drained" battery problem, there is 0V at the terminals of the battery and the phone shuts down before the CPU is ever started (and LEDs only come on if the CPU is running) |
| 23:49.43 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r91b394ec4285 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Change name from Diversity-nav to Om-locations |
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| 23:53.26 | johngay | I found one for $1.50, but there was $5.95 shipping for it )-: |
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