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| 00:11.02 | paroneayea | hopes his phoe didn't break somehow :( |
| 00:11.50 | Sargun | phoe! |
| 00:11.55 | Sargun | What did you do? |
| 00:11.56 | paroneayea | phone |
| 00:12.29 | paroneayea | I don't know. I came back from the car, took it from my pocket, noticed it was off, despite me seeing significant charge a couple of hours prior |
| 00:13.03 | paroneayea | so I plugged it in.. wouldn't turn on. Took out the battery while I left it plugged in.. it buzzed angrily... unplugged it and left it out for 5 minutes |
| 00:13.11 | paroneayea | plugged it back in for 15 minutes, tried turning it on |
| 00:13.12 | paroneayea | no dice |
| 00:13.49 | paroneayea | I guess I'll leave it unplugged for longer then try charging it again :\ |
| 00:15.35 | Sargun | yeah |
| 00:16.54 | abraxa_ | paroneayea: GTA01 or 02? |
| 00:16.59 | mmontour | paroneayea: try plugging it into a PC USB cable instead of the wall charger, or try holding the Aux button when you plug in the wall charger. |
| 00:18.14 | mmontour | You don't need to unplug it for a long time - 10s with no battery and no USB should be plenty to reset the internal state. The order in which you re-connect things and press buttons does matter. |
| 00:19.07 | ozzloy | in 2008.8 is there a way to get rid of the onscreen kb? |
| 00:19.14 | ozzloy | i'm hooked up with a bt kb |
| 00:24.12 | paroneayea | abraxa_: gta01 |
| 00:24.57 | paroneayea | whew |
| 00:25.01 | mmontour | oh, gta01. Just remove battery and usb, replace battery, connect usb, and leave it for an hour or so without pressing anything. |
| 00:25.01 | paroneayea | ok, it's turning on again |
| 00:25.10 | paroneayea | sweet |
| 00:25.11 | abraxa_ | paroneayea: "it buzzed angrily" - GTA01 cannot be powered without battery, unfortunately, so it will do that. It's harmless but there's no point, so just avoid it :) |
| 00:25.21 | paroneayea | abraxa_: ah, hehee |
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| 00:25.23 | paroneayea | ok |
| 00:25.32 | paroneayea | good to know |
| 00:25.37 | paroneayea | thanks folks :) |
| 00:26.10 | abraxa_ | You're welcome, and don't lose hope on GTA01 unless you buy a GTA03 when it comes out ;) |
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| 00:29.20 | paroneayea | abraxa_: actually, waiting for gta03 is my plan :) |
| 00:29.33 | paroneayea | btw, what's the cause of it "dying" there like that |
| 00:29.34 | paroneayea | ? |
| 00:29.43 | paroneayea | just normal battery drainage? |
| 00:29.49 | paroneayea | could something have overloaded it? |
| 00:29.57 | paroneayea | admittedly, my understanding of hardware is terrible |
| 00:30.10 | abraxa_ | Depends on what you did, and there are hardware bugs in GTA01 |
| 00:30.38 | ozzloy | asdf |
| 00:30.41 | paroneayea | heh, i wish I knew what I did.. |
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| 01:16.35 | blubs | does there also exist any other phone opensource software next to zhone ? |
| 01:19.40 | paroneayea | blubs: plenty. You can run qtopia |
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| 01:19.52 | paroneayea | that isn't based off of FSO, but it works |
| 01:20.08 | paroneayea | other than that there's the old GTK openmoko stuff, but looks like that's getting deprecated fast |
| 01:20.14 | paroneayea | ok, maybe that's not "plenty", but ;) |
| 01:24.37 | blubs | paroneayea: what wy do they go is the mainway om 2008.8 ? |
| 01:25.03 | blubs | and do you know how to exchange the wallpaper or design for zphone =? |
| 01:29.46 | swc|666 | blubs paroneayea: what wy do they go is the mainway om 2008.8 ? <-- ?????????? |
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| 01:32.18 | blubs | swc|666: I mean more if this is the deveoppement path they go the main system supported ... |
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| 01:33.16 | swc|666 | ah |
| 01:33.25 | swc|666 | i hope not - it sucks |
| 01:33.48 | blubs | hmm right i hope they get forward with the debian system :) |
| 01:34.00 | swc|666 | yep |
| 01:34.10 | swc|666 | thats why i built my own debian phone ui |
| 01:34.13 | blubs | hmm btw does anybody know where i can find some documentation on zhone how to customize it ? |
| 01:34.35 | blubs | swc|666: how did you do that are there any docs around in that direction ? |
| 01:36.18 | swc|666 | i built the first in whiptail and the 2nd in pygtk |
| 01:37.24 | blubs | ok and how did you do the backend ? also with python where can I find some docs on this to learn more about ? what dev did you have to address ? |
| 01:37.48 | swc|666 | google |
| 01:38.00 | swc|666 | and the wiki |
| 01:38.52 | blubs | swc|666: what main words could you give me to search on google ? |
| 01:39.26 | swc|666 | u fsckin serious? |
| 01:39.55 | blubs | swc|666: I mean specific devices you have to speak to on the phone for example /dev/* .. |
| 01:40.07 | blubs | sorry my english isn't too well |
| 01:40.36 | swc|666 | be clever and research |
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| 02:03.47 | johnsu01 | wishes for a way to hide read messages in qtmail |
| 02:03.55 | johnsu01 | displaying 2000 messages in my inbox is a very bad idea |
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| 02:30.49 | pjz | johnsu01: depends on your mail client |
| 02:31.07 | pjz | johnsu01: oh, make a 'read' folder and move them there once they've been read |
| 02:31.30 | johnsu01 | pjz: yeah, but this is imap, and I don't really want things set up that way in all the other clients that I use |
| 02:31.41 | johnsu01 | there is also something about the way it's handling courier folder names with dots in them |
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| 02:32.06 | pjz | johnsu01: sure you do. inbox is inbox, fine. once it's read mvoe it do a 'done' folder or something. that's what I do. just do it manually |
| 02:32.07 | johnsu01 | messages in INBOX.main.in are appearing directly inside main |
| 02:32.22 | pjz | set up a hotkey to do the move so it's 'manual' but easy to do |
| 02:32.36 | johnsu01 | pjz: no, I don't want that |
| 02:32.52 | pjz | has like 10k messages in 'done' and <50 in inbox |
| 02:33.28 | pjz | johnsu01: well,t he only way to make read messages not be in a folder is to.. put them somewhere else |
| 02:33.31 | pjz | shrugs |
| 02:34.31 | johnsu01 | pjz: I can see that, thus the wishing |
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| 02:46.58 | tunys | Hi |
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| 02:47.05 | tunys | my freerunner doesn't seem to want to come on |
| 02:47.55 | dns53 | swap the battery and see if you can bootstrap it |
| 02:51.03 | tunys | Tried with a charged Nokia BL-5CA |
| 02:51.05 | tunys | didn't work |
| 02:51.58 | dns53 | that normally works for me, where you doing anything dangerous like flashing it? |
| 02:52.17 | tunys | no |
| 02:52.39 | tunys | I was trying to get GPS to work |
| 02:52.46 | tunys | I restarded the GPS daemon |
| 02:52.52 | tunys | restarted |
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| 02:53.06 | tunys | waited for it to come back to the normal prompt |
| 02:53.10 | tunys | and then shut down the phone |
| 02:53.23 | tunys | and now I'm trying to get it to turn on again |
| 02:54.18 | dns53 | well it can have problems when it is low power, so try again with a fully charged noika battery as well as having it connected to the charger, it needs the 1A sometimes |
| 02:54.35 | dns53 | also take out the sd card and sim card as they use power during boot |
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| 02:56.30 | tunys | that worked |
| 02:57.09 | tunys | dns53: while it's plugged in, is it safe to remove the battery and slip the SIM card and SD card back in? |
| 02:57.46 | dns53 | i wouldn't switch the sim and sd card, switching the battery is usually ok |
| 03:02.07 | tunys | You are a magic worker. |
| 03:02.10 | tunys | Thanks, shaman! |
| 03:02.20 | swc|666 | u can switch the sd if its unmounted |
| 03:08.52 | slaxxin | tunys u have a lkihnux host/ |
| 03:20.30 | DocS__holiday | tunys: gsm can't operate from 1A USB-power. So SIM is a NoGo. |
| 03:21.13 | slaxxin | the latest build for 2008.8 good? |
| 03:22.01 | DocS__holiday | slaxxin: what is lkihnux ??? |
| 03:25.20 | DocS__holiday | @all: actually one of the most recent U-Boot doesn't start (boot up til GUI) from OM-wallwart-charger. HOLD AUX WHEN INSERTING USB-CHARGER-PLUG! |
| 03:26.22 | slaxxin | fat fingers? |
| 03:26.36 | DocS__holiday | @all: also (in case anybody didn't know) charging doesn't start when device isn't completely booted!!! |
| 03:28.39 | slaxxin | i have to pjug an unplug to get charger to start\ |
| 03:30.35 | slaxxin | upgradeing every dang thing |
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| 03:34.26 | slaxxin | hows the new image coming raster? |
| 03:34.38 | raster | havent started |
| 03:34.41 | slaxxin | o |
| 03:35.20 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.26 | slaxxin | which? |
| 03:36.37 | tunys | how do I download the maps? |
| 03:36.42 | slaxxin | todays upgrade looks big |
| 03:37.12 | slaxxin | tunys from the installer or opkg? |
| 03:37.29 | tunys | opkg |
| 03:37.38 | slaxxin | or u mean tango maps |
| 03:38.13 | slaxxin | im saving all my mappage to the sdcard |
| 03:38.25 | tunys | oh, tango maps then |
| 03:38.29 | tunys | where do I get them? |
| 03:38.46 | dns53 | just connect to the internet through usb and it should download them automatically |
| 03:39.05 | dns53 | change the path to save to a sd card or it goes when you reboot |
| 03:39.06 | slaxxin | hook up to wireless os usb then they will auto download when u zoom in |
| 03:39.44 | slaxxin | otherwise u lose them upon reboot |
| 03:40.20 | slaxxin | mkdir /media/card/maps/OSM |
| 03:40.47 | slaxxin | may not be correct |
| 03:41.30 | tunys | got them |
| 03:42.52 | tunys | seems accurate |
| 03:43.25 | tunys | though I'm pretty sure that I'm not moving at 2 mph |
| 03:43.45 | rooly|away | the gps chip seems to give highly inaccurate data |
| 03:44.04 | tunys | well location looks about right to me |
| 03:44.05 | rooly|away | altitude for sure |
| 03:44.21 | rooly|away | location is stable for the most part |
| 03:44.34 | rooly|away | but the altitude will vary 1000 ft in 30 seconds |
| 03:45.07 | tunys | Though I don't seem to be near any roads |
| 03:45.11 | tunys | I'm just on a big lot |
| 03:45.16 | tunys | full of nothing |
| 03:45.28 | rooly|away | zoomed in? |
| 03:45.31 | tunys | yep |
| 03:45.38 | tunys | there are roads around where I am |
| 03:45.41 | tunys | but not where I am |
| 03:45.41 | rooly|away | is it grey grey are tan grey |
| 03:45.46 | rooly|away | *or |
| 03:45.49 | tunys | grey grey |
| 03:45.56 | rooly|away | then the map may not be downloaded |
| 03:46.03 | tunys | er, tan greay |
| 03:46.13 | tunys | I don't think anyone has drawn my road yet |
| 03:46.15 | rooly|away | is there a D# on the status bar? |
| 03:46.37 | rooly|away | wait...i'm thinking your using tango |
| 03:46.49 | tunys | I'm using Tango |
| 03:47.04 | rooly|away | right, is there a D and some number? |
| 03:47.24 | tunys | But I guess nobody has contributed my neighborhood to OpenStreetMap |
| 03:47.32 | rooly|away | do it |
| 03:47.33 | rooly|away | DO IT! |
| 03:47.36 | tunys | no D |
| 03:47.38 | rooly|away | btw...POI |
| 03:47.44 | tunys | I should contribute |
| 03:47.57 | rooly|away | it seems that having the FR plugged in but not turned on does do a *little* charging |
| 03:48.02 | paroneayea | hm, my 1973 magically died twice in one day. This time it was plugged in. I'm starting to think there's a serious problem. |
| 03:48.17 | paroneayea | maybe the hardware's dying :\ |
| 03:48.46 | swc|666 | would be nice if there was a way to chroot into an sd card install for the fr with an x86 machine :s |
| 03:48.55 | mmontour | what was the 1973 plugged into? It might have only been drawing 100mA from the USB |
| 03:49.10 | paroneayea | mmontour: my computer |
| 03:49.18 | mmontour | Linux or Windows? |
| 03:49.30 | paroneayea | Linux |
| 03:50.08 | rooly|away | mmontour: did ya read? my phone died today and i was able to ressurect it by just plugging it in and waiting |
| 03:50.15 | mmontour | hmm, should be OK. You might check dmesg to see if it says anything about 500mA |
| 03:50.24 | rooly|away | (wall charger) |
| 03:51.02 | mmontour | rooly|away: it depends what state the PMU is in when you plug it in - some of the settings are preserved even after you remove the battery |
| 03:51.48 | mmontour | It also depends what version of u-boot you have - there is a bug in the current one that can cause problems when you boot from the wall charger |
| 03:52.40 | johnsu01 | What does the Mic1 alsa setting control |
| 03:52.40 | johnsu01 | ? |
| 03:52.50 | johnsu01 | hm, headset it seems |
| 03:53.50 | tunys | How do I get the clock on my freerunner? |
| 03:56.35 | alx___ | tunys: Settings -> Clock |
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| 04:00.59 | tunys | alexxy: I'm sorry, in the 2007.2 software |
| 04:01.47 | tunys | er |
| 04:01.50 | tunys | alx___: |
| 04:01.59 | tunys | alx___: how do I do it in 2007.2 |
| 04:02.35 | alx___ | don't know :) just got mine since yesterday, didn't explore 2007.2 too much :) |
| 04:03.11 | tunys | is keeping 2007.2 just for show and tell |
| 04:03.21 | tunys | I'm being my LUG's guinea pig right now :) |
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| 04:05.56 | alx___ | :) |
| 04:08.17 | tunys | I'm not sure what it is, but there is something very satisfying about using a command line on my phone |
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| 04:15.48 | DocS__holiday | raster: do you think there's a chance for me to join your party? :-( |
| 04:16.24 | raster | DocS__holiday: which one? |
| 04:16.25 | raster | :) |
| 04:16.59 | DocS__holiday | today's one. I'm absolutely fed up :-O°° |
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| 04:28.49 | raster | DocS__holiday: oooh what got you this time? |
| 04:29.53 | raster | this should be fun :) |
| 04:30.47 | rwhitby | svn: OPTIONS of 'http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/sounds': could not connect to server (http://svn.openmoko.org) |
| 04:30.54 | rwhitby | openmoko svn server broken again? |
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| 04:31.34 | raster | DocScrutinizer: lots your internude? |
| 04:31.34 | rwhitby | DocScrutinizer: can you get someone to kick the openmoko svn server please? |
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| 04:33.41 | raster | rwhitby: roh/gismo can do that |
| 04:33.43 | ieatlint | i are tired |
| 04:34.29 | raster | i can haz codeburger? |
| 04:38.48 | ieatlint | haze? |
| 04:39.25 | johnsu01 | With Mic2 set all the way up and leaving a voicemail, I can barely hear the message... |
| 04:39.49 | johnsu01 | any other alsa setting I should be changing to increase my volume to other people? |
| 04:44.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | Does someone know of a guide to imaging a freerunner? i have an install that works, and i'd like to be able to re-image it back if i stuff up my debian install :) |
| 04:47.28 | abraxa_ | Kamping_Kaiser: dfu-util is your best bet, however the upload is currently broken and no one seems to have gathered enough interest to fix it |
| 04:47.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | abraxa_, i have a dfu-util from about a month ago, so i'll check out its --help. cheers :) |
| 04:48.24 | tunys | I'm using 2007.2, I've done opkg upgrade |
| 04:48.46 | tunys | yet when I press the power button and click "Lock Screen", it doesn't. |
| 04:49.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | abraxa_, ah, i see the option. i should have looked >.<, thanks mate. |
| 04:50.21 | abraxa_ | tunys: You might wanna check trac for a bug report - however, I wouldn't expect this to be fixed |
| 04:50.34 | tunys | yeah :/ |
| 04:51.01 | abraxa_ | tunys: SHR will replace 2007.2 soon, so neod (the part of 2007.2 responsible for the locking) will be replaced entirely |
| 04:51.20 | ieatlint | just offended an old friend he hadn't talked to in years by calling php hackish :( |
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| 04:51.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | :/ |
| 04:51.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | ThePizzaKing, hello there |
| 04:51.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | ieatlint, you'd be right though :|} |
| 04:51.47 | ThePizzaKing | Hi Kamping_Kaiser |
| 04:52.30 | ieatlint | yeah, any language that doesn't have perceivable data types is definitely hackish |
| 04:53.35 | ieatlint | not having strict data types puts it into the potentially very messy category... like using c++ for structured programming |
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| 04:54.43 | ieatlint | well, unfortunately i've sobered up :( |
| 04:54.51 | ieatlint | fortunately this means i can drive home |
| 04:56.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 04:58.19 | raster | hugs his casts |
| 04:58.23 | raster | (void *) |
| 04:58.25 | raster | yay! |
| 04:58.26 | raster | :) |
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| 04:59.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | ** You are hit by the void ** |
| 04:59.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | ** You die ** |
| 04:59.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | ** Would you like your possessions identified? ** |
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| 04:59.41 | johnsu01 | frowns at trolltech using vmware for the qtopia sdk |
| 04:59.47 | raster | Kamping_Kaiser: hahaha |
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| 05:01.21 | rwhitby | johnsu01: what other options does trolltech have for what I presume is a majority of windows users for their SDK ? |
| 05:02.03 | raster | they could be cast into the (void *) |
| 05:02.12 | raster | and we could listen to the wailing and gnashing of teeth |
| 05:02.19 | raster | and smile |
| 05:02.20 | raster | :) |
| 05:02.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 05:03.01 | rwhitby | heh - easy to say when you're not the one running the business. Synopsys (an EDA vendor) reports a > 90% windows usage rate for embedded software developers ... |
| 05:03.37 | rwhitby | that would be a big number of dollars for trolltech to ignore by only putting out a linux solution ... |
| 05:04.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | there are other VMs that are not 'linux only' |
| 05:04.31 | ieatlint | raster: just define every variable as void |
| 05:04.36 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm interested to hear of others that are well known and run on windows ... |
| 05:04.40 | ieatlint | then make your own typedefs |
| 05:04.44 | ieatlint | and cast |
| 05:04.51 | ieatlint | it'll make your code much more readable |
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| 05:06.08 | raster | ieatlint: void is good! love your voids! |
| 05:06.51 | johnsu01 | rwhitby: the majority of people writing freerunner apps are windows users? |
| 05:06.55 | raster | rwhitby: aaah but you see.. i i dont need to worry - i can look forward to the wailing and gnashing of teeth! |
| 05:06.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, 'well known'? for what value of well known? virtualbox comes to mind, as something cross-platform. |
| 05:06.56 | raster | :) |
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| 05:08.24 | pjz | wow, the gang's all here |
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| 05:09.07 | ieatlint | just make a secretive include file that you don't release that does like "typedef char varx" for all the data types, so that it's extremely difficult to read |
| 05:11.01 | raster | bah |
| 05:11.05 | raster | varx is too easy |
| 05:11.15 | pjz | is there an updated feed for fso? |
| 05:11.16 | raster | typedef int bsuiksdl7 |
| 05:11.26 | raster | typedef char iouwni3fsd |
| 05:11.41 | raster | #define printf iuhew2kjncd |
| 05:11.41 | undrwater | pjz: beyone testing and unstable? |
| 05:11.43 | raster | ... |
| 05:12.43 | undrwater | *beyond |
| 05:13.10 | pjz | undrwater: no, those are what I was looking for : |
| 05:13.25 | undrwater | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories#FSO |
| 05:13.42 | pjz | nods |
| 05:13.50 | pjz | shoulda read the wwiki before opening his yap |
| 05:14.21 | pjz | rwhitby: if no one's said it lately, thanks for all your work on the FR |
| 05:14.49 | undrwater | can we have a group hug? raster is here too!! |
| 05:14.50 | undrwater | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.54 | ieatlint | raster: ok, make your preprocessor that randomises them |
| 05:15.37 | raster | ieatlint: perfect! and then GPL the code and say its open |
| 05:15.50 | raster | so u get all the open source groupies hugging you |
| 05:15.58 | rwhitby | johnsu01: freerunner is a very small minority for trolltech's sdk users |
| 05:16.01 | raster | and still keep your code nicely closed :) |
| 05:16.02 | ieatlint | sounds like android |
| 05:16.02 | undrwater | hehehe |
| 05:16.22 | johnsu01 | rwhitby: I get it, windows user, vmware, easy. I'm still going to frown :) |
| 05:16.27 | johnsu01 | s/usr/users |
| 05:16.34 | undrwater | <--groupie |
| 05:16.34 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: virtualbox runs on windows and is commercially supported? |
| 05:16.39 | raster | undrwater: group hugs ... how about group drinking bouts? |
| 05:16.40 | raster | :) |
| 05:16.43 | ieatlint | raster: yep, then do things like removing all newline chars in your code |
| 05:16.44 | raster | ieatlint: :) |
| 05:16.48 | undrwater | raster: that works for me too... |
| 05:16.51 | rwhitby | johnsu01: I'm seriously interested in alternatives, since I need to support Linux on windows too |
| 05:16.55 | raster | ieatlint: excellent |
| 05:16.59 | raster | "e17 is only 1 line of code!" |
| 05:17.03 | ieatlint | lol |
| 05:17.06 | raster | (a very long line... but just 1 line) |
| 05:17.15 | rwhitby | pjz: thx |
| 05:17.51 | undrwater | i installed e17 on my desktop yesterday |
| 05:17.55 | ieatlint | ok, i'm going to pack up and head home... am at a development party that's dying fast |
| 05:18.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, dunno, never wanted to test either bit of the question. |
| 05:18.20 | undrwater | ieatlint: grab as many beers as you can before you leave |
| 05:18.32 | rwhitby | Kamping_Kaiser: thx for the pointer - I'm going to have a look at virtualbox |
| 05:18.39 | pjz | rwhitby: Sun does indeed have VirtualBox for windows x86 and amd64 |
| 05:18.57 | rwhitby | genuinely hadn't heard of virtualbox before ... |
| 05:19.07 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 05:19.33 | raster | undrwater: has it blow up your monitor yet? |
| 05:20.00 | undrwater | raster: yes....but the room has that 'alien" feel to it now...kinda like it |
| 05:20.07 | ieatlint | undrwater: that loses its edge when you help set it up |
| 05:20.08 | raster | hahaha |
| 05:20.22 | raster | undrwater: btw - u want to try the b_and_w them in themes/ |
| 05:20.34 | raster | that will be the new default... once its complete |
| 05:22.26 | undrwater | raster: i didn't see it in the install...still only bling...using gentoo with e overlay...i figured it would pull it in...but apparently not |
| 05:22.42 | raster | undrwater: itns in svn |
| 05:22.46 | raster | and no |
| 05:22.47 | raster | gentoo wont |
| 05:22.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, no worries. theres some people at my work looking at it so they can run a windows VM to connect to the corp. network |
| 05:22.51 | undrwater | is access documented? |
| 05:22.51 | raster | gentoo is behind |
| 05:22.55 | raster | hanst moved to svn |
| 05:22.56 | undrwater | OK |
| 05:23.04 | undrwater | old is cvs? |
| 05:23.08 | raster | yes |
| 05:23.10 | undrwater | i wasn't paying attention |
| 05:23.17 | raster | cvs is still up to stop old stuff breaking totally |
| 05:23.25 | undrwater | ahhh |
| 05:23.27 | raster | but i will nuke cvs within the next few weeks |
| 05:23.35 | raster | so things WILL break then unless they have moved |
| 05:23.53 | undrwater | OK...so best bet is to remove all that cvs stuff and just do manual with svn? |
| 05:24.34 | abraxa_ | undrwater: ...or use easy_e17 :) |
| 05:24.55 | undrwater | oohhh...undrwater likes easy! :) |
| 05:25.43 | abraxa_ | Hm. I could've sworn easy_e17 uses SVN... but I guess it wasn't updated yet :( |
| 05:26.39 | undrwater | well...even the cvs stuff is so much nicer now than it was....more stable and quick! |
| 05:27.11 | undrwater | raster: will the new file manager include any internal networking support? |
| 05:27.43 | raster | undrwater: no - thats what fuse is for |
| 05:27.44 | raster | :) |
| 05:27.48 | undrwater | thought so |
| 05:27.57 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/get_e.sh |
| 05:27.59 | raster | gets e17 |
| 05:28.02 | undrwater | i used fuse w/ xfce |
| 05:28.04 | raster | only what u need - from svn |
| 05:28.19 | raster | fuse is how networkj f's SHOULD be done |
| 05:28.21 | undrwater | thanks! :) |
| 05:28.25 | raster | abstracted thru the normal fs layer |
| 05:28.27 | raster | then everything works |
| 05:28.33 | raster | tar, gzip, ls, rm, etc. |
| 05:28.37 | raster | as wel as filemanagers |
| 05:29.00 | undrwater | fuse and OOo don't (or didn't) work well together tho |
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| 05:30.50 | raster | they should work just fine |
| 05:30.56 | TeLLuS | What am I missing? Using Makefile OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.asu.stable ( bitbake openmoko-qtopia-x11-image u-boot-openmoko ) ) only show ERROR: no files to build. ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'openmoko-qtopia-x11-image' (but '[]' DEPENDS on or otherwise requires it) same with build-package-package-indexbuild-package-package-index.. make update look ok. Seem to be using subversion instead of git.. |
| 05:31.03 | raster | as OOo should have no clue the fs it is looking at is not ont he box |
| 05:31.08 | raster | like an nfs mount |
| 05:31.12 | raster | should be transparent |
| 05:31.44 | undrwater | that's what i thought...but when opening a file on a fuse mounted dir, OOo would crash....gnucalc, or abiword would not |
| 05:32.19 | undrwater | i posted a "me too" on a bugtracker about a year ago when it mattered |
| 05:33.04 | raster | might be more of a race condition or an fs condition that doesnt normally happen |
| 05:33.07 | raster | but is still valid |
| 05:33.12 | raster | either that or just a very slow fs |
| 05:33.14 | raster | dunno |
| 05:33.41 | undrwater | me either...anyway...i don't work in the situation where it was important to me anymore anyway ;) |
| 05:36.21 | undrwater | what's different about tangogps-fso? that it uses the dbus? |
| 05:36.40 | undrwater | to start gps daemon(s)? |
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| 05:42.40 | blubs | what is the key mod for the aux button to use in fluxbox as right mouse pointer ? |
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| 05:50.37 | TeLLuS | undrwater: I think you left yesterday before I could tell you the Om2008.8 resolvconf fix for wifi dhcp also worked with WPA and that I added it to the wiki. |
| 05:51.08 | undrwater | TeLLuS: fantastic! thanks :) |
| 05:51.35 | undrwater | i'll get a chance to test with wep relatively soon |
| 05:51.45 | blubs | oh guys anybody of you knows that ? |
| 05:51.53 | blubs | i want the keycode of the aux button |
| 05:52.14 | blubs | does anybody know how to get it for using it as a right mouse button ... |
| 05:52.52 | undrwater | blubs: someone else was asking yesterday...if we can find it, a lot of folks will be happy ;) |
| 05:53.27 | undrwater | going unstable... |
| 05:53.47 | blubs | ah ok didnt know its that difficult ... hmm :( does anybody of you have another idear how to get the menu in fluxbox ... with another trick ? |
| 05:54.51 | undrwater | i've heard that tap|hold is supposed to bring up right click |
| 05:54.58 | undrwater | or was wanted anyway |
| 05:55.10 | undrwater | have you searched for tap|hold? |
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| 05:56.53 | SpeedEvil | xev |
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| 05:58.49 | blubs | SpeedEvil: I already tries xev it didnt show anything |
| 05:59.11 | blubs | undrwater: yes it should be included as i have read but it doesnt work at least not in fluxbox ... :( |
| 06:01.15 | TeLLuS | How do I make my own qtopia-phone-x11-phonevendor-ficgta01vendor package? Makefile do not seem to work.. |
| 06:02.38 | undrwater | TeLLuS is excited about gsm sound patch ;) |
| 06:03.51 | TeLLuS | undrwater: Well the downgraded packet it is working, but I don't like the downgrade part... |
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| 06:04.29 | undrwater | ahh |
| 06:06.17 | undrwater | what is gtkrc looking for when it says: include "openmoko-dialer" |
| 06:06.33 | undrwater | is there an openmoko-dialer include file? |
| 06:08.37 | TeLLuS | The makefile with bitbake say that "ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'qtopia-phone-x11-phonevendor-ficgta01vendor' (but '[]' DEPENDS on or otherwise requires it)" even on openmoko-qtopia-x11-image |
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| 06:49.04 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1931: Ringtone disapperared ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1931 ) |
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| 06:53.11 | sylar91 | hi all |
| 06:53.26 | undrwater | hello |
| 06:53.28 | sylar91 | I can't connect a usb pen to the freerunner, why? oO |
| 06:53.49 | undrwater | have you enabled host? |
| 06:54.11 | sylar91 | ehm... no... How can I do that? |
| 06:54.35 | undrwater | i think it's in the wiki...if not, try the lists...not something i've done..but definately read about it |
| 06:55.06 | undrwater | search "enable usb host" |
| 06:57.09 | undrwater | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host |
| 06:57.59 | sylar91 | thx |
| 06:58.03 | sylar91 | i'm reading |
| 06:58.09 | sylar91 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host |
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| 07:01.16 | sylar91 | :O |
| 07:01.20 | sylar91 | it is fantastic |
| 07:01.22 | sylar91 | :O |
| 07:01.24 | sylar91 | wooow |
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| 07:29.42 | Dave | heh |
| 07:29.48 | Dave | craziness |
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| 07:38.00 | undrwater | sylar91: what'd you do? |
| 07:38.08 | sylar91 | why? |
| 07:38.13 | sylar91 | what do you mean? |
| 07:38.23 | undrwater | the fantastic thing ;) |
| 07:38.25 | sylar91 | (sorry for my bad english :S ) |
| 07:38.36 | sylar91 | I'm configuring my huawei e270 modem |
| 07:38.40 | sylar91 | for using it with fr |
| 07:38.57 | undrwater | what is that? |
| 07:39.08 | CM | 3g modem |
| 07:39.08 | sylar91 | a super-umts modem |
| 07:39.10 | sylar91 | yes |
| 07:39.32 | sylar91 | but I'm not able to install cc with opkg.... |
| 07:39.47 | sylar91 | I typed opkg install gcc but there isn't the cmd "cc" yet. |
| 07:39.49 | sylar91 | ... |
| 07:39.56 | undrwater | g++? |
| 07:40.02 | sylar91 | ? |
| 07:40.18 | undrwater | try g++ |
| 07:40.50 | sylar91 | ok thx... mmmm but I'm seeing with dmesg that the kernel recognised my modem |
| 07:40.56 | sylar91 | so I have only to config ppp |
| 07:40.57 | sylar91 | :D |
| 07:41.24 | sylar91 | I'm back in 5 minutes |
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| 07:47.56 | sylar92 | hi |
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| 07:48.19 | sylar92 | I configured successfully the modem |
| 07:48.41 | sylar92 | with "pon e220" the modem "connect led" start and the modem connected successfully |
| 07:48.47 | sylar92 | but I can't ping anything... |
| 07:51.35 | sylar92 | ok I solved (maybe) |
| 07:51.49 | sylar92 | I need 2 usb ports so I need a duplicator.... |
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| 07:56.37 | undrwater | did the 2008 updates come through? |
| 07:58.16 | sylar92 | what? |
| 07:58.22 | sylar92 | are you talking with me? oO |
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| 08:00.18 | undrwater | anyone ;) |
| 08:00.30 | undrwater | who might have updated upgraded 08 |
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| 08:01.01 | digger3 | I just got my FR yesterday and flashed it with the updated 2008.8 |
| 08:01.28 | undrwater | what's the date on your image? |
| 08:01.43 | digger3 | I'd suggest waiting a bit since it seems to break suspend. Now I need to code and press the touchscreen regulary for it not to suspend |
| 08:02.11 | undrwater | ahhh...i was going to ask if suspend worked better... ;) |
| 08:02.40 | digger3 | well it suspends a lot and comes back up, that's not the problem ;) |
| 08:02.50 | sylar92 | I can confirm |
| 08:03.14 | sylar92 | But for my the boot succeded only one every 4 times... |
| 08:03.43 | digger3 | I've got no boot problems as far as I am aware |
| 08:04.02 | undrwater | digger3: how about phone? |
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| 08:05.21 | digger3 | undrwater: I'm using 2008-08-30 btw |
| 08:05.46 | undrwater | digger3: ahh..ok |
| 08:05.59 | digger3 | undrwater: sms messages seemed to be delivered just fine, echo-related problems have also not occured |
| 08:06.15 | digger3 | though I haven't done anything like extensive testing |
| 08:06.41 | undrwater | i never had echo problems...nor the buzzing |
| 08:07.07 | undrwater | hope the fix doesn't break me ;) |
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| 08:24.27 | undrwater | mokotest |
| 08:24.57 | undrwate1 | looks good |
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| 08:30.27 | baze | does anyone know if raster's keyboard is just the keys and the graphics and so on or if it also tries to find out what key is likely to be pressed next? |
| 08:30.58 | Zorkman | no prediction of that kind |
| 08:31.14 | abraxa_ | baze: Why not just ask him? :) |
| 08:31.15 | Zorkman | there is not yet a keyboard that does this |
| 08:31.51 | Zorkman | the 2008.8 keyboard only predicts a word of n-letters when you press n times om the keyboard |
| 08:31.53 | baze | but it shouldn't be too hard, considering that dasher already does some kind of thing, right? |
| 08:32.23 | baze | get the locale and set that for the prediction language for the keyboard |
| 08:32.55 | baze | and then make the size for the key to be pressed bigger while keeping the graphics at the same size of course |
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| 08:33.51 | baze | but the propability of which key might get pressed next could be provided by some kind of libdasher (if it provides sth like that of course...) |
| 08:34.14 | baze | i think the iphone keyboard does sth like that but only for english, iirc |
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| 08:34.40 | baze | with the dasher approach this could be done for any language, as the prediction already exists there |
| 08:35.16 | Zorkman | good idea baz |
| 08:35.23 | Zorkman | *baze |
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| 08:37.40 | baze | it should work fine for emails, instant messaging, sms and that stuff, but it could be a problem in the terminal where you don't really write words from a language |
| 08:38.04 | Zorkman | just need to turn prediction off at that moment |
| 08:39.52 | niklauz | agrees with baze |
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| 08:44.36 | Zorkman | does anybody know what causes the crazy wifi signal-quality indicator? |
| 08:44.41 | Zorkman | is it the drivers or the firmware? |
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| 08:50.42 | admiral0 | hi everybody |
| 08:51.22 | Zorkman | hi onebody |
| 08:51.36 | admiral0 | lol |
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| 08:52.50 | sylar91 | how can I show the cursor in om 2008.8? |
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| 08:57.22 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 09:03.46 | admiral0 | has anyone tried the FSO? |
| 09:04.23 | admiral0 | i need some opinions on zhone |
| 09:06.21 | TAsn | is fso3 out? |
| 09:06.36 | Zorkman | nope |
| 09:06.50 | sylar91 | how to show the cursor? |
| 09:06.51 | Zorkman | mickeyl sayd next ETA was 05/09 |
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| 09:08.22 | TAsn | that's the thing with ETAs, when you change them all the time, they worth nothing :) not that im complaining, it's just that i don't trust 05/09 :) |
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| 09:09.30 | phrozen77__ | hmm |
| 09:10.56 | phrozen77__ | how is triple-booting the freerunner possible? i got 2007.2 in flash, qtopia on sd and want to install debian... if i got that right then debian also would place uImage.bin in /boot which of course would overwrite qtopias... is there some possibility to add another menu like e.g. with grub? |
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| 09:14.10 | viq | phrozen77__: get another SD? ;) |
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| 09:16.10 | phrozen77__ | NO |
| 09:16.11 | phrozen77__ | lol |
| 09:16.18 | phrozen77__ | i wont dump that 8gb card |
| 09:17.37 | Zorkman | phrozen77__: no need to dump it, just send it to me |
| 09:17.38 | phrozen77__ | swc|666, btw - sorry for the "f...you" yesterday - i just was pretty mad at the freerunner :( |
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| 09:20.07 | AciD | hy |
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| 09:24.17 | raster | Zorkman: it does do correction - ie need n presses, but frankly - its easiest and probably best to do that - not predict considering the predictinpsace if you ALSO try and account for mis-typings - it becomes an enormous searchspace. limiting it to n stokes means that your searchspace is limited to words with n chars |
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| 09:28.27 | malik1972 | raster: you are the one responsible for e and illume stuff in 2008.8? |
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| 09:29.22 | Mononoke | wonders how to get neod's source out of svn |
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| 09:30.37 | Mononoke | ah |
| 09:30.44 | admiral0 | hi raster |
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| 09:31.01 | raster | malik1972: yes... well responsible in that i worked on it/did it. |
| 09:31.05 | raster | admiral0: moo |
| 09:31.24 | admiral0 | lol |
| 09:31.38 | malik1972 | raster: i like the concept of illume, thanks for that! |
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| 09:31.50 | raster | a lot of illume is very much not accessible |
| 09:31.53 | raster | as with e |
| 09:31.56 | raster | i intend to fix that |
| 09:31.58 | admiral0 | yes illume rocks |
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| 09:32.05 | admiral0 | at least in the FSO |
| 09:32.08 | raster | right now... i just need myself a wifi/network gui thingy that works |
| 09:32.10 | Blalien | my neo doesn start with my l-ion battery :/ |
| 09:32.22 | raster | networkmanager has annoyed me enough with tis eternal api changing |
| 09:32.26 | raster | and now connman just did the same |
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| 09:32.36 | raster | so i'm going to pick up home-grown e stuff in exalt |
| 09:32.48 | raster | enough of supportign someone elses network manager thingy |
| 09:32.53 | raster | too much pain |
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| 09:33.33 | admiral0 | raster: what do you think about the images from shr.bearstech.com? |
| 09:33.51 | admiral0 | i have one... and i have a cool qwerty keyboard |
| 09:33.52 | malik1972 | raster: thats right, my wifi network works only if i turn on essid sending |
| 09:34.11 | raster | admiral0: i havent looked/tried. so "no opinion" :) |
| 09:34.43 | raster | anyway - i spent a while building a connman based wifi/ethernet config gadget/module |
| 09:34.48 | raster | and now i find connman changed api |
| 09:34.52 | raster | so i have to throw 50% of it away |
| 09:34.53 | raster | or more |
| 09:34.59 | raster | and start over... not.. happy.. jan |
| 09:35.08 | admiral0 | hahaha |
| 09:35.12 | malik1972 | raster: is there a concept for the following: if one installs a lot of applications the home screen will be full, so that one has to scroll |
| 09:35.19 | admiral0 | that's very annoying |
| 09:35.40 | raster | malik1972: nothing. i always assumed u wouldnt really have that much space to install THAT many |
| 09:35.41 | raster | sure |
| 09:35.42 | raster | scroll a bt |
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| 09:35.44 | raster | bit |
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| 09:36.11 | raster | i originalyl thought of having collapsable sections |
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| 09:36.17 | malik1972 | raster: yes! |
| 09:36.19 | raster | much like a tyreeview expand/collaps thing |
| 09:36.23 | raster | but i just didnt get to it |
| 09:36.28 | raster | and decided its "good enough for now" |
| 09:36.40 | malik1972 | raster: some kind of categories |
| 09:36.41 | Zorkman | raster: do you know a workaround when illume-config-illume does not provide your sweet keyboard on 2008.8-upgrade? |
| 09:36.49 | raster | as such.. i think the launcher is just too ... well.. inhuman |
| 09:36.50 | raster | its machine |
| 09:36.54 | malik1972 | raster: for pim, games and so on |
| 09:37.00 | raster | i have much more evil plans for your "desktop" |
| 09:37.03 | raster | and how u run stuff |
| 09:37.07 | raster | no launcher |
| 09:37.08 | raster | objects! |
| 09:37.14 | raster | why do i run dialler then dial someone |
| 09:37.19 | raster | or run addressbook then seletc then call |
| 09:37.30 | raster | why not just have "jennifer" as a photo in the bottom-right |
| 09:37.35 | raster | and so when i call my girlfriend |
| 09:37.41 | raster | its the biggest icon on the screen bottom -rgith |
| 09:37.43 | Zorkman | Raster: someone here no IRC also suggested that it would be nice to add predictive mode to your full qwerty keyboard in a dasher-like way (most like keys become bigger, would this be feasable?) |
| 09:37.43 | raster | where i put it |
| 09:37.50 | raster | because its probably the most common thing i do |
| 09:37.58 | raster | so i am looking at more of an object-desktop |
| 09:38.02 | raster | where its filled with gadgets |
| 09:38.08 | raster | clocks, calendars |
| 09:38.13 | raster | app icons |
| 09:38.14 | raster | people icons |
| 09:38.23 | raster | etc. etc. |
| 09:38.43 | raster | Zorkman: i think i explained above a bit |
| 09:38.50 | Zorkman | i'll check |
| 09:38.50 | raster | prediction makes it really nasty |
| 09:39.02 | malik1972 | raster: it thought of paging and anchoring |
| 09:39.03 | raster | basically your searchspace blows out incredibly |
| 09:39.11 | raster | it already is huge |
| 09:40.16 | malik1972 | raster: switching between different desktops via gestures, activating them by some kind of anchoring |
| 09:40.17 | Zorkman | ok, thanks |
| 09:40.31 | raster | Zorkman: basically every time u press a key - this results in about 10-20 possible kesy you could have pressed |
| 09:40.41 | raster | now multiply that by every letter |
| 09:40.41 | phrozen77__ | how is triple-booting the freerunner possible? i got 2007.2 in flash, qtopia on sd and want to install debian... if i got that right then debian also would place uImage.bin in /boot which of course would overwrite qtopias... is there some possibility to add another menu like e.g. with grub? |
| 09:40.43 | Zorkman | I hope with your renewed freedom it will all get back on track :) |
| 09:40.45 | raster | think of all the permutations |
| 09:40.48 | malik1972 | raster: than you have enough room for more than one girlfreind;-) |
| 09:41.01 | raster | the dict lookup managess to throw most out as it progressively narrows down to only what exists |
| 09:41.05 | raster | BUT |
| 09:41.30 | raster | because it is also limited to words only of lentgh N (where N is the # of letters) it makes it doable |
| 09:41.33 | raster | if u try prodecit |
| 09:41.44 | Zorkman | yeah, I understand |
| 09:41.45 | raster | searchspace is N or N+1, N+2, N+3 etc. |
| 09:41.51 | raster | and that will just kill the lookup code |
| 09:41.52 | raster | :( |
| 09:41.58 | raster | so as such.. its just saner this way |
| 09:42.01 | malik1972 | phrozen77__: there is a choice within the debian installer, i used to install the debian kernel (=fso ms2) to sd card |
| 09:42.11 | Zorkman | np, it seems to work very good for english words (imo) |
| 09:42.29 | Zorkman | i'm just getting frustrated that I can't get your full-querty on 2008.8-upgrade :) |
| 09:42.30 | raster | so i say no - not because i hate you.. but because its really going to put a spanner in the works |
| 09:42.47 | raster | in the end - i probably want to try FSO |
| 09:42.51 | raster | i'll be doing work in that corner |
| 09:43.02 | Zorkman | that was going to be my next question :) |
| 09:43.04 | admiral0 | Zorkman, try fso... it has 3 keyboards |
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| 09:43.15 | Zorkman | admiral0: i know and I will when ms3 is released |
| 09:43.27 | admiral0 | why? |
| 09:43.32 | Zorkman | I think FSO is indeed the future, but I would really like raster to join in on that one too :) |
| 09:43.34 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 09:43.48 | raster | sorry |
| 09:43.52 | raster | YOU want to try fso |
| 09:43.55 | raster | i already have fso building |
| 09:43.59 | raster | i have theior git tree |
| 09:44.13 | Zorkman | that makes me happy :) |
| 09:44.16 | raster | but right now - need to get some network managery thing going |
| 09:44.25 | raster | as i want that for FSO anyway for configging wifi |
| 09:44.42 | admiral0 | yes |
| 09:44.43 | raster | and then some theme work to do an e style theme for fso |
| 09:44.48 | malik1972 | raster: what about the existing ones? |
| 09:44.51 | Zorkman | I saw you were alse the first (and only) one to report that crazy wifi quality information |
| 09:45.01 | raster | so i can re-cycle e's default theme stuff rather than do a completely different one |
| 09:45.06 | Zorkman | raster: YES! because right now i think FSO is ugly :) |
| 09:45.12 | raster | malik1972: existing.. themes? or network manager things? |
| 09:45.29 | malik1972 | raster: network managers |
| 09:45.46 | raster | malik1972: tried networkmanager - wont stabilise on api. and wont release their new api. |
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| 09:45.58 | admiral0 | FSO is ugly ????? http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/ |
| 09:46.02 | admiral0 | !!!!! |
| 09:46.07 | raster | malik1972: connman just bitchslapped me with a brand new and opaque api and it broke all my connman work |
| 09:46.08 | Zorkman | hehe admiral0: i know :) |
| 09:46.11 | raster | so i'm dumping that |
| 09:46.13 | dolf1074_ | If the red led is blinking, it means that you have a kernel panic. But if the red led is blinking before you go into u-boot, does it mean your battery is empty? |
| 09:46.16 | raster | i'm going to use exalt |
| 09:46.16 | Zorkman | i also installed that theme, I really like that theme |
| 09:46.21 | raster | 1. it works |
| 09:46.26 | raster | (on my laptop) |
| 09:46.26 | Zorkman | but standard I found zhone ugly |
| 09:46.30 | raster | 2. its not a moving target |
| 09:46.37 | raster | 3. it starts with e |
| 09:46.46 | raster | 4. i didn't write it - but it does come from e-land :) |
| 09:46.49 | admiral0 | Zorkman: i am creating a new phone suite for FSO |
| 09:47.00 | Zorkman | yay |
| 09:47.25 | admiral0 | pyefl + mysql + dbus |
| 09:47.28 | raster | so i need to get the desktop gadget/module working with it |
| 09:47.30 | malik1972 | raster: did you ever connected to a wifi ap which does not send its essid? |
| 09:47.31 | admiral0 | sorry |
| 09:47.33 | raster | it has its own - but it is very simplistic |
| 09:47.34 | admiral0 | sqlite |
| 09:47.35 | malik1972 | or did someone else? |
| 09:47.47 | raster | malik1972: never tried. i dont have a lot of ap's to go thru :) |
| 09:48.04 | malik1972 | raster: try it, it will not work |
| 09:48.34 | malik1972 | raster: i dont know why ... my zaurus has no problems with that |
| 09:48.43 | raster | not surprisied |
| 09:48.51 | raster | the wifi drivers have problems on the FR |
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| 09:49.24 | Zorkman | raster: they don't have problems: I always have a quality like 250/94 :P |
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| 09:49.40 | Zorkman | the wifi drivers are stark raving mad :) |
| 09:49.59 | raster | Zorkman: iu have founbd i need a reboot to change ap's |
| 09:50.04 | raster | for example |
| 09:50.15 | raster | the drivers dont report disconnects (Disaccociate) properly |
| 09:50.17 | Zorkman | raster: i was joking, i also have to reboot; they are really buggy |
| 09:50.26 | raster | lots of other nigglies |
| 09:50.52 | Zorkman | I also don't think 250/94 is a sane thing to report (but not mch experiance with wifi) |
| 09:50.54 | admiral0 | i think openmoko guys should concentrate on modules and base system |
| 09:50.55 | TeLLuS | should probably look why we only can connect with wifi once, invalid encryption is counting up even when connecting to an open network.. |
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| 09:51.14 | phrozen77__ | malik1972, you refer to the installer here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner ? |
| 09:52.35 | raster | admiral0: considering the design department have about as much experience with ui design and their userbase as a camel has experience ic-skating... yup :) |
| 09:53.05 | malik1972 | phrozen77__: yes, have a look into install.sh |
| 09:53.19 | admiral0 | raster: they do their work... but there are people that can do it better |
| 09:53.41 | Zorkman | raster: it seems that the qtopia design departement eats the same stuff as the om design dep does; |
| 09:53.42 | Zorkman | lpotter said that not being able to close the mediaplayer once it was opened was a "design descission" |
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| 09:54.15 | admiral0 | LOOOOL |
| 09:54.27 | Zorkman | seriously.. he said it in this channel |
| 09:54.46 | phrozen77__ | _lol_ |
| 09:54.54 | raster | hooray! |
| 09:55.02 | raster | thats great |
| 09:55.22 | raster | lets let a process hang aboutr that u may not want again for hours days or even weeks |
| 09:55.30 | raster | or ever again |
| 09:56.20 | Zorkman | raster: I also heard joerg was getting fed up with all the bs |
| 09:56.38 | Zorkman | seems like all the guys who actually interacht and listen to the community are not happy in openmoko :( |
| 09:56.38 | raster | such word filtered through today... |
| 09:56.44 | raster | i wonder if gta0304 will ever come out... |
| 09:56.56 | raster | and.. i'm damn well not surprised |
| 09:57.06 | raster | i tried to help om |
| 09:57.22 | admiral0 | gta0x will come out |
| 09:57.39 | Zorkman | i sure hope they are going to get theirself together, because I don't want this project to fail; but if they scare away every good programmer/hw guy... |
| 09:58.17 | admiral0 | yes. It's a very nice project |
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| 09:59.49 | raster | i treid to tell them "your customer base are THESE guys - they are linux nerds. they pay for a cool linux toy they can easily hack with/on. making them happy is the most important thing... and to do that you have to include them in what om does - they have to have a direct say and input into the default factory image. it may take a cycle or to to get in - but they want to be part of it and be counted. but i know that is not how this plac |
| 09:59.50 | raster | e works - i thought it did.. but i was wrong. you either need to 1. declare that community are not part of it - they can fork and do their own thing all they like - but they are not able to make any design decisions, OR you need to change how you work and include them.. the 3nd choise is the wise one... otherwise you wil llose the biggest free-marketing you have. and that will be the end of any good will to om and thus pretty much be ver |
| 09:59.50 | raster | y likely to kill om" |
| 09:59.57 | raster | i tried it a few times |
| 10:00.18 | raster | but hey - maybe thigns will change |
| 10:00.19 | raster | maybe not |
| 10:00.27 | raster | but i am not going to be the meat in the dandwich anymore |
| 10:00.29 | raster | sandwich |
| 10:00.51 | Zorkman | we understand raster |
| 10:01.02 | Sargun | raster, who are you |
| 10:01.07 | raster | they really dont pay me enough to be that meat |
| 10:01.09 | raster | :) |
| 10:01.14 | raster | Sargun: the tooth fairy |
| 10:01.16 | raster | :) |
| 10:01.24 | admiral0 | raster: we can continue to develop the FSO |
| 10:01.35 | Sargun | raster, who do you work for |
| 10:01.40 | Zorkman | Sargun: raster is the illume/e dude, he WAS an openmoko employee |
| 10:01.45 | Sargun | Ah... |
| 10:01.49 | Sargun | Why did you quit? |
| 10:01.51 | digger3 | hmm, is there anything I should know about installing illume-config on om2008.8-update. The wrench isn't begin shown anywhere |
| 10:02.03 | Sargun | raster -- real name? |
| 10:02.04 | Zorkman | if you read the mailinglist you will find a lot of messages from him |
| 10:02.15 | raster | Sargun: everyone knows me as raster |
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| 10:02.21 | raster | it may as well be my name |
| 10:02.25 | raster | no one knows my real name |
| 10:02.25 | raster | :) |
| 10:02.39 | Sargun | hehe |
| 10:02.44 | Zorkman | I know it raster :p |
| 10:02.45 | raster | digger3: u'll need to change profiles |
| 10:02.53 | raster | i mailed to the community list how to do it |
| 10:02.55 | Zorkman | Carsten Haitzler |
| 10:03.25 | digger3 | raster: then I'll have to take another look at the archives, thanks |
| 10:03.27 | Sargun | raster, Why did you quit |
| 10:03.38 | Zorkman | raster: those instructions don't work on OM2008-8upgrade (at least not here), but whatever, it'll get sorted out sooner or latert |
| 10:03.38 | Sargun | What did you think of the stuff you did for Dash |
| 10:04.19 | karioja | ping gsmd0710muxd guru |
| 10:04.30 | Sargun | hullo raster |
| 10:04.35 | Sargun | probes raster |
| 10:05.22 | Sargun | Guess I scared him away |
| 10:05.24 | Zorkman | cya guys later |
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| 10:08.02 | raster | Sargun: primarily because om did not live up to what it promised when i joined - we had agreements which om didnt fulfill and decided not to - so irrespective of anything else, there was a major issue akin to contractual agreements being broken and no desire on om's part to fulfill them. add to that a bunch of other stuff like disconnect from om and the linux/oss community, inexperienced management, really crazy and stupid ideas micro-ma |
| 10:08.02 | raster | naged by non-technical people imposed on the technical people against advice and reality... mayaswell go. i am less stressed with all the mess. |
| 10:08.24 | Sargun | stuff like what? |
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| 10:08.44 | Sargun | agreements like what |
| 10:08.47 | cga | mooo raster |
| 10:08.57 | raster | Sargun: not going to go into the details. |
| 10:09.00 | Sargun | Fine. |
| 10:09.06 | Sargun | Did you work on HXD8? |
| 10:09.27 | raster | Sargun: those are private between me and om's management |
| 10:09.28 | Sargun | I'm purchasing OMs as a GPS tracking platform. |
| 10:09.36 | Sargun | the latter thing |
| 10:09.38 | Sargun | or the agreements? |
| 10:09.44 | Sargun | Not exactly a geek thing. |
| 10:09.45 | Sargun | :-) |
| 10:10.00 | raster | but think of them as thnigs like: "you agreed to pay me $40,000 but you have only paid $20,000 - what's up?" |
| 10:10.08 | raster | notsaying it is money/pay |
| 10:10.16 | Sargun | oh, ok. |
| 10:10.20 | raster | but its contractual/business stuff |
| 10:10.24 | Sargun | Well, compensation |
| 10:10.25 | raster | not linux/tech/open source |
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| 10:10.43 | raster | so think of it as equivalent |
| 10:10.45 | sylar91 | hi I need help... somebody could help me please? |
| 10:10.51 | Sargun | sylar91, what's wrong |
| 10:10.59 | Sargun | what's with the 91 in your nickname? |
| 10:11.02 | sylar91 | I can't get headphones working |
| 10:11.04 | Sargun | are you 16/17? |
| 10:11.05 | raster | like "you hired me as an engineer, but i'm actually cleaning toilets.. wtf?" |
| 10:11.08 | raster | that kind of thing |
| 10:11.12 | sylar91 | yes, I'm 16 |
| 10:11.14 | Sargun | raster, That's normal. |
| 10:11.20 | Sargun | sylar91, neat. |
| 10:11.28 | raster | i expect people, when they agree to somethnig - to stick to it |
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| 10:11.35 | raster | you are only worth as much as your word |
| 10:11.39 | Sargun | raster, how long have you worked in tech? |
| 10:11.48 | raster | if you cant keep your word - you really lose value quickly in my books. |
| 10:12.02 | raster | i never promise anything - unless i know i can and will deliver |
| 10:12.09 | Sargun | heh |
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| 10:12.18 | raster | tech? umm.. a decade |
| 10:12.27 | Sargun | then you've had decent luck |
| 10:12.28 | Sargun | Anyways |
| 10:12.45 | sylar91 | ehi, dargun, could you help me? (sorry for my bad english) |
| 10:13.10 | Sargun | sylar91, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem#using_analog_.284pin_2.5mm.29_headset |
| 10:13.18 | Sargun | your english is fine. |
| 10:13.45 | raster | decent luck? as opposed to? |
| 10:13.45 | raster | :) |
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| 10:14.17 | sylar91 | sargun, the link you linked me doesn't contain answers to solve my problem |
| 10:14.33 | Sargun | raster, if you've done a lot of work its normal for your job to degrade from a highly specialized position to a general "janitor" |
| 10:14.43 | Sargun | sylar91, uhm, are you sure? |
| 10:14.44 | dolf1074_ | raster: are you keep going to do things for om? Like helping with SHR. Or will you just hang the irc? (Because with your experience with om, I can think you say: f*ck them.) |
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| 10:14.58 | Sargun | did you download the asound state files, and restore them? |
| 10:15.07 | sylar91 | sargun, yes.. when I plug in headphones nothing appends |
| 10:15.13 | raster | dolf1074_: i intend to focus on my own goals. i will use om as a platform as best as is possible |
| 10:15.15 | Sargun | did you restore the state files? |
| 10:15.26 | Sargun | raster, what are your goals? |
| 10:15.30 | raster | i'll work on FSO as my own goals are to create an X based phone ui that really rocks |
| 10:15.45 | sylar91 | ehm... I don't know what I have to do with those files |
| 10:15.49 | Sargun | raster, did you work on HXD8v2? |
| 10:15.50 | dolf1074_ | nice |
| 10:16.02 | raster | that i can use, that my friends can use, that my parents can use... that nerds in general can use. that is easy to develop for |
| 10:16.05 | raster | ie no specail "sdk" |
| 10:16.12 | Sargun | raster, that would be nice. |
| 10:16.13 | raster | just write your regualr run-of-the-mill desktop x11 app |
| 10:16.16 | Sargun | Yeah. |
| 10:16.23 | raster | if u can fit it in the pixels/dpi of the screen - thats your biggest effort |
| 10:16.25 | sylar91 | somebody knows how to change the cursor in om 2008.8? |
| 10:16.40 | raster | the rest should be simple and work as well on a desktop as well as on my phone |
| 10:16.41 | Sargun | there is a cursor? |
| 10:16.45 | dolf1074_ | look forward to when it exists :p |
| 10:16.49 | sylar91 | no, but I want to see it |
| 10:16.55 | raster | Sargun: and no - didnt work on hxd8v2 |
| 10:16.55 | Sargun | why |
| 10:16.57 | karioja | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.04 | raster | just freerunner |
| 10:17.06 | Sargun | raster, Aw, its pretty neat. |
| 10:17.15 | sylar91 | sargun: because I want to see it when I plug in the mouse |
| 10:17.18 | Sargun | I wish they would sell the HXD8v2 as an OM product |
| 10:17.58 | admiral0 | what's all this HXD ** ? |
| 10:18.03 | Sargun | admiral0, nothing. |
| 10:18.18 | admiral0 | i know it's a phone... but then? |
| 10:18.22 | Sargun | sylar91, Sorry, don't know :-( |
| 10:18.29 | sylar91 | np |
| 10:18.32 | Sargun | try messing with Xmodmap |
| 10:18.48 | Sargun | sylar91, did restoring the alsactl file help? |
| 10:18.53 | raster | u wont get a pointer |
| 10:18.59 | raster | x is literally started with --hide-cursor |
| 10:18.59 | sylar91 | I'm not able... |
| 10:19.05 | raster | ie x turns off its mouse cursor |
| 10:19.12 | Sargun | sylar91, not able to restore it? |
| 10:19.14 | sylar91 | and can I turn it on? |
| 10:19.17 | raster | u'll have to first remvoe that fromt eh x startup script |
| 10:19.26 | raster | then its up to your wm/desktop/apps etc. |
| 10:19.27 | sylar91 | how? |
| 10:19.30 | tomboy64 | uhm |
| 10:19.42 | sylar91 | sargun: I don't know how to do that |
| 10:19.47 | tomboy64 | how do i remove that xscreensaver? |
| 10:19.59 | Sargun | sylar91, read the wiki page |
| 10:20.00 | tomboy64 | or whatever makes my freerunner go sleep after a few secs? |
| 10:20.03 | sylar91 | raster: how can find the "remove mouse" line ? |
| 10:20.16 | tomboy64 | settings don't work anymore since the rootfs from 31.8. |
| 10:20.17 | sylar91 | tomboy: maybe the suspend? |
| 10:20.24 | tomboy64 | sylar91: yeah |
| 10:20.24 | Sargun | tomboy64, what distro you running |
| 10:20.30 | tomboy64 | 2008.8 |
| 10:20.32 | raster | start rummaging thru /etc :) |
| 10:20.33 | tomboy64 | angstrom |
| 10:20.39 | raster | u'll eventually find the script that starts x |
| 10:20.41 | raster | :) |
| 10:20.44 | Sargun | go under settings -> |
| 10:20.53 | tomboy64 | Sargun: doesn't work anymore |
| 10:20.58 | tomboy64 | switched it off there already |
| 10:21.01 | sylar91 | tomboy, go in settings and disable the automatic suspend if you are uscing 2008.8 |
| 10:21.07 | Sargun | tomboy64, reflash |
| 10:21.13 | tomboy64 | sighs |
| 10:21.15 | tomboy64 | *again*? |
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| 10:22.31 | digger3 | tomboy64: try flashing to the original 2008.8, I'm having the suspend problems with a fresh 2008.8-update install |
| 10:22.43 | tomboy64 | yeah |
| 10:22.47 | tomboy64 | that's it with me, too |
| 10:22.59 | admiral0 | now with the new theme zhone sucks... too dark.. |
| 10:23.10 | tomboy64 | ah well |
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| 10:23.14 | tomboy64 | is fso worth a try? |
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| 10:23.20 | sylar91 | ehi I found the --hide-cursor option in /etc/X11/Xserver |
| 10:23.28 | tomboy64 | actually, 2008.8 didn't work with making calls on mine |
| 10:23.34 | tomboy64 | just 2008.8-update did |
| 10:23.40 | Sargun | I really need to cut my hair |
| 10:23.57 | Sargun | raster, what do you think about using the FR as a surveillance device? |
| 10:24.12 | raster | Sargun: what kind of surveillance? |
| 10:24.26 | raster | right now using FR aty all is a little bit of a challenge |
| 10:24.27 | admiral0 | tomboy64: with original 2008 you need zecke updates |
| 10:24.34 | Sargun | raster, Install debian on it |
| 10:24.41 | raster | i have it not wake upfrom suspend often enough |
| 10:24.42 | Sargun | use the mic for recording what people are saying |
| 10:24.45 | tomboy64 | admiral0: could you point me to a url? |
| 10:24.56 | Sargun | GPS for location |
| 10:24.57 | raster | Sargun: not as very good mic |
| 10:25.00 | admiral0 | tomboy64:one moment... |
| 10:25.00 | neldoreth | argh you cant use an freerunner as your normal handy right now if it sometimes doesnt wake up or better it doesnt ring when someone is calling |
| 10:25.02 | raster | u wont get much sound |
| 10:25.02 | Sargun | GSM to transmit it. |
| 10:25.09 | Sargun | True. |
| 10:25.12 | Sargun | raster, do you know about the roadmap within OM of the HXD8v2? Is it going to be left as an internal project? |
| 10:25.12 | sylar91 | wooooooooooooooooow |
| 10:25.15 | Sargun | Wow? |
| 10:25.16 | sylar91 | yuppie |
| 10:25.19 | Sargun | huh |
| 10:25.21 | sylar91 | I have the cursor |
| 10:25.22 | sylar91 | XD |
| 10:25.24 | Sargun | cool. |
| 10:25.29 | raster | Sargun: internal. its paid for by a client. its theirs |
| 10:25.33 | Sargun | blame raster |
| 10:25.33 | sylar91 | it is very nice |
| 10:26.54 | admiral0 | tomboy64:they removed it... add the official repository and update *only* qtopia |
| 10:26.58 | Sargun | too bad. |
| 10:27.35 | tomboy64 | mhmm |
| 10:27.44 | tomboy64 | how do i manage repos anyway? |
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| 10:28.12 | tomboy64 | if i put the stuff into conf-files in /etc/opkg it is not listed under "repos" in the install-thingy (assassin?) |
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| 10:29.00 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 10:29.07 | phrozen77 | wonder why usb networking stopped to work |
| 10:29.13 | admiral0 | tomboy64:have no idea |
| 10:29.18 | tomboy64 | -.- |
| 10:30.28 | Sargun | raster, are you going to use the FR as the sole development platform? |
| 10:30.38 | admiral0 | is going to lunch |
| 10:30.40 | admiral0 | bye |
| 10:31.08 | raster | Sargun: of course not |
| 10:31.29 | Sargun | raster, what other hardware platforms |
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| 10:31.59 | raster | zaurus sl-c860, nokia n800 |
| 10:32.02 | raster | likely |
| 10:32.10 | raster | i probably wont dig out my old ipaq |
| 10:32.18 | raster | only 16mb flash |
| 10:32.28 | raster | i might grab myself an openpandora unit when it comes out |
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| 10:32.43 | cb22 | openpandora looks really cool |
| 10:33.05 | TeLLuS | Om2008.8 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1928 Settings don't change the suspend time |
| 10:33.08 | cb22 | but i've just ordered my freerunner from koolu :) |
| 10:33.39 | Sargun | raster, N810 is neat, but its a lot slower. |
| 10:33.53 | Sargun | is the Zaurus being sold in America? |
| 10:34.14 | raster | Sargun: slower than? |
| 10:34.27 | Sargun | other devices |
| 10:34.28 | raster | Sargun: and no zaurus is not sold anymore |
| 10:34.33 | raster | i got mine in japan |
| 10:34.36 | raster | hehe |
| 10:34.37 | Sargun | they apparently screwed up the memory arch |
| 10:34.39 | raster | u havent tried the FR yet |
| 10:34.44 | Sargun | I have an FR |
| 10:34.51 | raster | n800 looks blindingly fast in comparsion |
| 10:35.06 | raster | :) |
| 10:35.13 | Sargun | the N800 was created by nokia |
| 10:35.22 | raster | i know |
| 10:35.24 | Sargun | you expect fucking awesome from nokia |
| 10:35.24 | raster | i have one |
| 10:35.31 | Sargun | I have an n810 :-) |
| 10:35.38 | Sargun | FR was made by FIC |
| 10:35.41 | Zorkman | raster: looks or IS much faster? :) |
| 10:35.47 | Sargun | FIC is like, trashy Taiwan. |
| 10:35.51 | raster | Zorkman: *IS* faster |
| 10:35.54 | raster | trust me |
| 10:36.01 | raster | n800 is very much faster |
| 10:36.05 | Sargun | Zorkman, N810 is faster than FR |
| 10:36.15 | Sargun | but it has its own handful of issues |
| 10:36.18 | raster | frlash and sd card IO, graphics bandwidth, cpu isn't faster clockrate-wise |
| 10:36.23 | Sargun | there isn't enough memory bandwidth. |
| 10:36.29 | raster | but given all the waitstates from the glamo the n800 beats it even at 300 |
| 10:36.35 | raster | also u get a dsp to play with topo |
| 10:36.35 | Sargun | the graphics is AWESOME on the n8XX |
| 10:36.44 | Sargun | but the graphics isn't open. :-( |
| 10:36.52 | raster | n800 is much more powerful - from a high level u'd think not |
| 10:36.56 | raster | but reality is otherwise |
| 10:37.00 | Sargun | Yeah |
| 10:37.03 | Zorkman | Sargun: like the glamo is open you mean? :) |
| 10:37.06 | Sargun | too bad no GSM/CDMA |
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| 10:37.11 | raster | Sargun: not much mem bandwidth on fr |
| 10:37.13 | raster | 100mhz only |
| 10:37.14 | Sargun | Zorkman, Glamo is fucked up. |
| 10:37.15 | raster | SDR |
| 10:37.24 | Sargun | raster, I think its similar on the N800 |
| 10:37.27 | raster | and u lose a heap thansk to waitstates |
| 10:37.32 | Sargun | Well, it performs like an 88 Mhz bus |
| 10:37.39 | raster | Sargun: actually a bit worse :) |
| 10:37.49 | Sargun | hehe |
| 10:37.50 | raster | i've done tests on both |
| 10:38.07 | raster | apples vs apples ones |
| 10:38.11 | raster | the n800 comes out on top |
| 10:39.00 | Sargun | yeah |
| 10:39.48 | Sargun | OpenPandora looks neat |
| 10:39.52 | Sargun | are you in the states? |
| 10:40.00 | raster | nup |
| 10:40.01 | raster | .au |
| 10:40.06 | raster | ok fodd time |
| 10:40.11 | raster | fewd |
| 10:40.11 | Sargun | cya |
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| 10:42.40 | igor321 | so basically the only thing that's really wrong with gta02 now is that it doesn't resume 30% of the time |
| 10:42.52 | Zorkman | guess again... |
| 10:42.59 | Zorkman | gms reregistering |
| 10:43.03 | Zorkman | wifi |
| 10:43.05 | dolf1074_ | anybody knows in what period we may expect the first release of SHR? months, weeks, days? |
| 10:43.27 | igor321 | wifi is also broken? |
| 10:43.39 | soltys | works for me |
| 10:44.15 | dolf1074_ | wifi works somethings here |
| 10:44.22 | Zorkman | try disconnecting and connecting to another AP.. |
| 10:44.42 | soltys | Zorkman: i have only one ap in home ;] |
| 10:44.59 | Zorkman | ok, then go to your yard an lose wifi signal and try reconnecting :) |
| 10:45.01 | TeLLuS | Zorkman: Always work first time. http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1625 |
| 10:45.19 | Zorkman | i know TeLLuS |
| 10:45.52 | igor321 | and the gsm reregistering thing? |
| 10:45.54 | soltys | Zorkman: it works but you have to manualy reconnect |
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| 10:45.59 | Zorkman | igor321: that is on 2007.2 |
| 10:45.59 | igor321 | is that the same issue only with gsm? |
| 10:46.05 | soltys | i've done that and it works |
| 10:46.05 | igor321 | ah okay than |
| 10:46.15 | igor321 | so, basically these 2 issues |
| 10:46.20 | Zorkman | igor321: and don't forget the gsm echo and the gsm buzz |
| 10:46.23 | Sargun | dolf1074_, 3-6 monhs |
| 10:46.38 | igor321 | Zorkman: i thought that was taken care of with some at commands |
| 10:46.51 | Zorkman | haven't tested it yet, but someone reported it didn't work for him |
| 10:46.52 | dolf1074_ | okay, that's a long time :( |
| 10:46.58 | Zorkman | (seems to work for most people thoug) |
| 10:47.05 | Zorkman | but gsm buzz is hw problem, no fix for that one |
| 10:47.08 | Zorkman | only for echo surpression |
| 10:47.26 | igor321 | Zorkman: you have the buzz? |
| 10:47.27 | TeLLuS | Zorkman: Not much echo for the calling with this AT-command patch.. http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267 |
| 10:47.47 | Zorkman | igor321: yes, I don't hear it but some peoplehear it when they call me on my FR and they refuse to call on my FR now :) |
| 10:48.10 | igor321 | hehe |
| 10:48.30 | TeLLuS | Zorkman: Have you applied the patch or packet? |
| 10:48.38 | igor321 | oh man this phone is a handful, can't wait to get mine :) |
| 10:48.59 | Zorkman | TeLLuS: not yet, but I have good confidence in it :) with tweaking alsomixer I could also get the echoto a "usable" level |
| 10:49.39 | TeLLuS | Zorkman: Well is no alsamixer tweak so you probably have note even read the page.. |
| 10:49.55 | Zorkman | TeLLuS: yes I have, i know it's an AT command |
| 10:50.13 | Zorkman | I read everymail on the mailinglist normally and I know of this sollution since yesterday :) |
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| 10:50.39 | Zorkman | I just wanted to point out that i have confidence it will work, because even with ONLY alsamixer tweaking I got it to a "usable" level |
| 10:50.57 | sylar91 | ehi I can see the cursor and the screen and it moves with my finder but with an external mouse it doesn't move!why? |
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| 10:51.20 | Zorkman | sylar91: is your FR in usb host mode? |
| 10:51.26 | sylar91 | yes |
| 10:51.55 | Zorkman | I think you need to add a pointer device somewhere, maybe in xorg? dunno for sure |
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| 10:52.33 | sylar91 | because some hours ago, when i didn't see the cursor, the external mouse worked well and i can make also right click |
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| 10:53.21 | TeLLuS | sylar91: Where did you activate the mouse? |
| 10:53.36 | sylar91 | where? what do you mean? |
| 10:54.01 | TeLLuS | sylar91: mousepointer even.. |
| 10:54.04 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1932: Suspend mode OFF not working ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1932 ) |
| 10:54.18 | sylar91 | i'm using 2008.8 |
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| 10:59.01 | TeLLuS | Look like others is not allowed to close that trac-ticket as duplicate.. I'l just type that in then. |
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| 11:01.46 | sylar91 | ehi I founded a but now... |
| 11:01.58 | sylar91 | a new bug |
| 11:02.36 | sylar91 | what I have to do? |
| 11:03.52 | sylar91 | the error is "power_supply bat: driver failed to report 'time_to_empty_now' property |
| 11:03.54 | sylar91 | " |
| 11:04.04 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 11:04.12 | phrozen77 | where was the menu option on qtopia to rescan for files? |
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| 11:04.20 | quickdev | sylar91, is the battery inserted? |
| 11:04.36 | sylar91 | yes.... I have no solar panel... |
| 11:06.12 | sylar91 | it doesn't give 5 v alimentation |
| 11:07.32 | SiNiESTr0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:13.43 | alx___ | i've just made a opkg upgrade, what's the use of angstrom-version? |
| 11:15.07 | TeLLuS | found and removed the -hide-cursor in /etc/X11/Xserver |
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| 11:19.09 | samphippen | could openmoko be considered ready for enduser use yet? |
| 11:19.26 | tuXXX | samphippen: no |
| 11:19.36 | samphippen | tuXXX, how long till it is? |
| 11:19.39 | alx___ | samphippen: only if your enduser is a deep geek :) |
| 11:19.54 | samphippen | alx___, i want a smartphone, but i dont want to have to ssh into it to get it working! |
| 11:20.05 | cb22 | samphippen, you dont have to ssh |
| 11:20.11 | cb22 | there is telnet, for example :p |
| 11:20.24 | samphippen | righty ho |
| 11:20.29 | samphippen | is there some mailing list i can subscribe to? |
| 11:20.56 | TeLLuS | samphippen: http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ |
| 11:21.15 | samphippen | TeLLuS, that doesn't exist |
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| 11:21.30 | dns53 | use the qtopia image, that works fine as a phone, if you want a smartphone you may need to work at it |
| 11:21.54 | samphippen | kk |
| 11:22.23 | samphippen | put it this way. If i were to buy one today. would I be able to set it up with a small amount of linux knowledge within 20 minutes and make a call? |
| 11:22.28 | samphippen | (assuming it was charged) |
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| 11:25.18 | dolf1074_ | yes |
| 11:25.38 | dns53 | you need to flash that image, which is typing in a few commands, after that it is just a phone with a touch screen |
| 11:25.44 | dolf1074_ | there is a basic distro installed, and with that you can make a phone call |
| 11:25.48 | dolf1074_ | without any problems |
| 11:26.46 | dns53 | if you just want a phone there are other options available though that will be cheaper |
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| 11:28.30 | dolf1074_ | and with less headaches. (but also with less fun of gps+wifi+linux) |
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| 11:29.31 | dns53 | i want a phone that can do wardriving |
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| 11:30.41 | dolf1074_ | yeah, you can that with the FreeRunner. |
| 11:30.52 | Elias_ | hello everyone! |
| 11:31.00 | dns53 | hey |
| 11:31.01 | dolf1074_ | but not in 2 finger clicks |
| 11:31.15 | Elias_ | i just got realy stuck with emulating with qemu |
| 11:31.35 | dolf1074_ | what's the problem? |
| 11:31.39 | dns53 | yeah it's a different cpu so it is really slow to emulate |
| 11:31.47 | Elias_ | i chose the automatic way...(make qemu) |
| 11:32.03 | goldie83 | hi i have a problem with two packages from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/: libxv_1.0.3-r1_armv4t.ipk, libmp3lame_3.96.1-r4_armv4t.ipk. they have no files. it is possible? |
| 11:32.14 | dns53 | arm is the oposite endian so just about every instruction needs to be processed |
| 11:32.40 | Elias_ | and it botts up fine but whe the boot finised i just see a no netwik-message and 4 buttons wit no functionality |
| 11:32.52 | dolf1074_ | yeah, the images are wrong |
| 11:33.21 | dolf1074_ | you will have to download your own images (see wiki) for the neo 1973 and them manually replace the other images |
| 11:33.21 | goldie83 | where can i search for the right ones? |
| 11:33.41 | dolf1074_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download and choose the distribution you want |
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| 11:33.59 | dolf1074_ | but it must be an image for gta01 |
| 11:34.16 | pb__ | goldie83: it seems that there are lots of packages in the daily-feed directory with this problem. It is probably best to avoid that feed altogether. |
| 11:34.18 | dolf1074_ | or neo 1973 (but that's the same) |
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| 11:35.37 | dolf1074_ | and then replace the ones in your_map/images/openmoko |
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| 11:38.32 | admiral0 | hi again |
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| 11:45.46 | Tanuva | I have created a .desktop link to Sonata (mpd client) from the XFCE4 desktop menu. It got created in ~/Desktop, but xfce doesn't show it on the latter. the "Home" and "File System" icons are there however. What might I have to do? |
| 11:46.14 | Tanuva | are the Categories screwed up here, too? |
| 11:48.12 | alx___ | is it normal to still get gps TTTF up to 350s. after hardware fix? |
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| 11:54.50 | Lo-lan-do | Is it just me, or is OM2008.8 even slower to boot than OM2007.2? |
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| 11:56.22 | Stroller | alx___: might help if you confirmed you're standing on a mountain with clean line-of-sight |
| 11:56.35 | Stroller | clear line-of-sight |
| 11:56.43 | Blalien | is there a way to run suspend off in the latest ASU release? |
| 11:56.57 | Tronic | Doesn't OM have AGPS? |
| 11:57.09 | Blalien | Because my suspend is OFF but it still goes into suspend ater x seconds |
| 11:57.17 | alx___ | city center, 2nd floor in a street of 5 floor building, trees in the street, might not help :/ |
| 11:57.23 | Stroller | lol |
| 11:57.26 | Stroller | Might not |
| 11:58.33 | alx___ | will a gps antenna make any dfference in this kind of env? |
| 12:00.01 | Tanuva | I guess it will make a huge difference from what I've heard |
| 12:00.37 | phrozen77 | Lo-lan-do, it is |
| 12:01.21 | alx___ | should be possible to make hand-made antenna, like wifi pringles ones? :D |
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| 12:02.40 | karioja | i'm trying to write AT commands to the pseudo terminal /dev/pts/3 created by gsm0710muxd but all i'm getting is "gsm0710muxd.c:569:pseudo_device_read(): Write to a channel which wasn't acked to be open." |
| 12:02.57 | alx___ | well, just checked the prices on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_antennas_for_neo1973 10$ antenna |
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| 12:04.56 | Tanuva | alx___: maybe some coax cable (unisolated) works if you get an mmcx-plug for it. But I don't know about the required length, depends on the wavelength of the gps signal... |
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| 12:06.10 | geocode | The agps has been working really well for me outside. |
| 12:06.11 | dns53 | we also need ppl to write an app to assist the agps |
| 12:06.21 | geocode | w/o antenae |
| 12:08.02 | dns53 | i can get a fix in 30 seconds or 5 minutes depending on if there are lots of power lines |
| 12:09.32 | alx___ | just bought the arkon antenna from amazon, 10⬠only thanks to $ price :) |
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| 12:11.53 | alfatangoxt | ave |
| 12:12.27 | Blalien | can I adjust suspend manually? |
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| 12:20.20 | alx___ | is there a way to start wifi automaticly at startup? |
| 12:21.52 | Blalien | does someone use the latest ASU build? |
| 12:22.55 | TeLLuS | alx___: Have not tested but I think it should be possible to use /etc/network/interfaces and add auto eth0 and with some wifi settings.. |
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| 12:23.21 | alx___ | thanks TeLLuS, i'm trying it now :) |
| 12:24.39 | w_erase | Blalien, I don't know ASU, but I had problem with suspend on FSO. I killed a process 'ompowerd' which forced suspend ... Have a look if that process exists.. and try to kill it |
| 12:25.18 | alx___ | another strange gps stuff: can't get a new TTFF after getting the first one and closing/reopening agps tester |
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| 12:26.56 | alx___ | are the guys from openmoko in holidays? mailing list seems pretty calm compared to july |
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| 12:28.21 | Blalien | w_erase: I found this ¨ksuspend_usbd. But when I kill it, the phone restarts the process |
| 12:29.13 | TeLLuS | Blalien: Also have same problem but mine was in suspend off mode when upgraded. So I can live with it by pressing power to suspend.. |
| 12:29.27 | RedFlash | hi, is there a possibility to dim the display when the freerunner is "locked" in OM2008 ? |
| 12:30.47 | Blalien | TeLLuS: Does your phone go to suspend mode when you are connected to usb? |
| 12:31.19 | Blalien | And do the processes continue when in suspend? Or is it just a screensaver? |
| 12:31.59 | alx___ | TeLLuS: thanks, wifi works when adding 'auto eth0' above eth0 config in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:32.00 | digger3 | Is it normal for the freerunner to lock-up when using the sd-card (trying to install debian) |
| 12:32.26 | dolf1074_ | RedFlash: I'm also searching after a dim, but can't find it |
| 12:33.26 | dns53 | you need to stop the x and qpe sessions |
| 12:34.00 | TeLLuS | dolf1074_: Brightness in settings? |
| 12:35.33 | dolf1074_ | yes but that's no full dim |
| 12:35.37 | RedFlash | yes, but since the display needs a lot of power it would be nice, if (after some time) the display turns of when the freerunner is locked |
| 12:36.09 | Lo-lan-do | Where can I find flashable images for OM2007.2? |
| 12:36.16 | dolf1074_ | there is suspend and then the display is turned of, but I have rather many problems with suspend |
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| 12:37.37 | RedFlash | suspend works fine for me, but when i am using tangogps (creating maps for OSM) its no so good, when the freerunner goes in suspend mode |
| 12:38.05 | RedFlash | does somebody know where the 'locked' key event is handled ? |
| 12:38.19 | dolf1074_ | suspend works for me to, but I cannot use GPS/WiFi/usb0 after suspend |
| 12:39.05 | dolf1074_ | also if you clikc the power button for going out of suspend and hit it twice or to long, it will shutdown |
| 12:39.22 | dolf1074_ | so i have problems with it |
| 12:39.38 | RedFlash | ok .. thats true .... same problems here |
| 12:39.44 | dns53 | i think the window manager handles the lock key press |
| 12:39.49 | RedFlash | also time is not correct after long suspend |
| 12:40.12 | dolf1074_ | ah, didn't noticed yet |
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| 12:42.35 | RedFlash | my idea was, if you lock the display, after some time the display powers of, and if you hit the aux key, it powers on , and if the display is on and you hit the aux key, input is enabled again |
| 12:43.25 | RedFlash | so i am searchin where the aux key eevnt is handled |
| 12:43.33 | dolf1074_ | that should be great |
| 12:44.23 | Tanuva | since aux triggers the keyboard on debian I would rather use the power button for that and implement some menu to select lock/suspend/shutdown... |
| 12:44.56 | Tanuva | like the logout screen the big desktops |
| 12:46.57 | RedFlash | also a possibility, but why let the Display drain (a lot) power when input is disabled ? |
| 12:47.39 | dns53 | well can you turn off the screen without killing x? |
| 12:47.55 | Tanuva | RedFlash: don't let it drain! :) |
| 12:48.23 | RedFlash | at least we could turn of backlight |
| 12:48.30 | Tanuva | functionality like you said - turn off and only turn it on if power is pressed - then come up with the unlock screen f.e. |
| 12:49.00 | Lo-lan-do | switches back to OM2007.2 |
| 12:50.02 | Lo-lan-do | I'm not touching stuff where a *launcher* uses 30% CPU and the contacts app can't cope with UTF-8. |
| 12:53.10 | RedFlash | ok .. i would realy be nice if we have a "turn off" menu when we hit the power button ... |
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| 12:53.28 | RedFlash | like 2007.2 ;-) |
| 12:53.57 | TeLLuS | triped over laptop-powercable.. Running extra backup and noting bad files for reinstallation.. :( Device: /dev/hda, 54 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors, Device: /dev/hda, ATA error count increased from 196 to 243 Need a new disk.. |
| 12:54.47 | joss | does openmoki have a compact flash jacket or thumb keyboard? |
| 12:55.14 | Tanuva | we have an µsd slot |
| 12:55.21 | Tanuva | s/an/a/ |
| 12:55.59 | joss | i do not know anything about such slot, you mean mini-USB? |
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| 12:56.13 | Tanuva | no, i mean micro-sd |
| 12:56.30 | Tanuva | µ means micro :) |
| 12:56.30 | sylar91 | hi, how can I install a c compiler in my openmoko 2008.8? |
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| 12:57.08 | joss | http://www.flickr.com/photos/67044722%40N00/2702190763/ |
| 12:57.12 | sylar91 | somebody could help me please? |
| 12:57.22 | joss | Tanuva: guy installes an adapter there, but that seems just silly |
| 12:58.03 | Tanuva | joss: why is it silly? If he wants to use it like that, why not? |
| 12:58.53 | sylar91 | joss: thhis morning I connected via usb a usb pen, a mouse and a 3g modem successfully :D |
| 12:58.58 | Tanuva | might be useful if your camera just eats cf cards and you want to pull pictures from the cf card to the µsd card in the neo (as backup/portal storage/whatever) |
| 12:59.25 | Tanuva | portal. portable i mean :/ |
| 13:00.01 | joss | Tanuva: yeah but does not seem to be everyday usage solution, jackets are for that |
| 13:00.33 | Zorkman | is there any news about dosbox? |
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| 13:02.41 | joss | Tanuva: i do not understand much, why they do not make those for all models, cf expansion seems powerful, htc has some, ipaq has some, but no gps/qwerty thin model with those |
| 13:03.57 | Tanuva | joss: I like sd cards, cf is larger (you would never fit them into the neo!) and my camera eats normal sd ones, too |
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| 13:04.50 | joss | Tanuva: yeah some have jacket connectors you know, like an adapter for expanding, makes it bit thicker |
| 13:05.32 | joss | Tanuva:http://www.expansys-usa.com/d.aspx?i=109731 |
| 13:06.42 | Tanuva | but that requires some strange connector |
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| 13:08.23 | joss | Tanuva: i think yes, do not know, which htc models, besides those listed has it, but can be made with usb as well it seems, imagine if the usb is located at back of the device |
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| 13:09.21 | Tanuva | ...which would be quite unpractical |
| 13:09.34 | Tanuva | (does the word "unpractical" exist in english?) |
| 13:10.20 | mwester | Close enough (it's impractical, actually) |
| 13:10.29 | Tanuva | :) |
| 13:10.46 | mwester | A rather inconsistent language, isn't it? |
| 13:11.18 | Tanuva | the designers must've been fools... :D |
| 13:11.29 | mwester | (And why is that "in" -- shouldn't it be "unconsistent", or "imconsistent"?) |
| 13:11.50 | Tanuva | hmm.. "inkonsistent" exists in german, too |
| 13:12.00 | dns53 | no one really cares how well you speal in irc |
| 13:12.05 | Tanuva | seems like it's some latin word I'd guess |
| 13:12.31 | Tanuva | dns53: that's the problem. One understands me here, but if I get used to such words and use them in classpapers then... *g* |
| 13:13.01 | mwester | dns53: ;) Usually... but I don't talk with people that spell like words like "l33t" :-D |
| 13:13.29 | Tanuva | 0h, 1337n355 c4n b3 qui73 funny 41ic3M0bi13Pin.pdf B14ck 54bb47h V014 Bridg3 C0n57ruc7i0n 537 D35k70p G74 Vic3 Ci7y U53r Fi135 H4cking PDF5 M4i1dir Unkn0wn_4r7i57-Unkn0wn_41bum 4cr33d.i50 41ic3.gpg 4rd0ur 4rd0ur:m4573r 4ud4ci7y1.2mp bi1d3r c0d3 d35ki5 digibi1d3r d0c5 dwh31p3r 317 firmw4r3 g4m35 higru5 hydr050ng5 im4g35 inf0rm47ik in57411.5h irc10g5 1cd474nu.c0nf 1cd474nu7357.c0nf 1mm5 m0k0c4r5_47_nigh7 mu5ik n30kr4m n07iz3n 0p3nm0k0d3v pr0g5 |
| 13:13.36 | Tanuva | wtf?! |
| 13:13.46 | Tanuva | my converter's faulty somwhere omfg |
| 13:13.51 | dns53 | wh07 j00 d0n7 l1k3 1339 sp34k ? |
| 13:14.03 | TAsn | 1337* |
| 13:14.31 | Tanuva | I got bored a few months ago and implemented a leetconverter in c#, but there seems to be something wrong with it |
| 13:15.00 | TAsn | Tanuva, you mean except for the fact that it's written in c#? |
| 13:15.11 | Tanuva | yep, something in addition |
| 13:15.15 | TAsn | i c. |
| 13:15.21 | Tanuva | nowadays I'd do it in python... *hiding* |
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| 13:15.36 | mwester | you could just not do it all all, of course. |
| 13:15.41 | TAsn | Tanuva, im a perl guy, but everything is better than c# ;0 |
| 13:15.46 | TAsn | mwester, aye to that. |
| 13:15.50 | Tanuva | mwester: which would be quite boring *g* |
| 13:16.14 | TAsn | Tanuva, write a moko leet speak app. |
| 13:16.20 | Tanuva | nah, I should rather continue putting up a thumb-usable mpd client... |
| 13:16.34 | TAsn | sending sms in 1337 speak is awesome ;0 |
| 13:16.46 | TAsn | Tanuva, suite yourself. |
| 13:17.53 | Tanuva | ah, there's nothing wrong with the converter. bash just completed the two stars of "*g*" at the end of my message to all the files in my home >.< |
| 13:19.04 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1933: usb network connection flaky ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1933 ) |
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| 13:22.54 | geocode | For anybody running 2008.08 w/ updates: Have you installed Rasterman's keyboard (or got a _good_ terminal keyboard working)? If so, how? I used the replace keyboard from wiki which worked well before the updates, but this caused e to fail this time. Any hints? |
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| 13:24.03 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1934: Can't use headphones during a call ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1934 ) |
| 13:24.04 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1935: Om 2008.8: Provide additional languages for predictive mode of keyboard ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1935 ) |
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| 13:25.44 | Dave | -__ |
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| 13:26.06 | joss | Tanuva: i think there is no sd gsm or cdma card right? |
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| 13:26.50 | geocode | gotta luv the bug bot |
| 13:26.53 | Tanuva | joss: I didn't even know such things exist for cf slots. |
| 13:27.14 | joss | Tanuva: ah they do, that's why i need it mostly |
| 13:27.20 | joss | allin one, would be nice |
| 13:27.24 | Dave | heh, tanuvas |
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| 13:28.39 | sylar91 | ehi, somebody could help me please? I can't install gcc on om |
| 13:30.27 | Zorkman | I just opkg installed gcc |
| 13:30.40 | Zorkman | but then I need some other things which don't work :( |
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| 13:32.00 | sylar91 | how ddid you install it? |
| 13:32.07 | alx___ | is someone get maps displayed in tango gps? cache seems to get something (lot of png) but nothing display in the interface :/ |
| 13:32.18 | sylar91 | I make opkg install g++ gcc but gcc command isn't aviable |
| 13:32.29 | Zorkman | works fine for almost everyone I think alx___ |
| 13:32.35 | Zorkman | aha |
| 13:32.41 | Zorkman | you need symlinks-gcc |
| 13:32.45 | sicu | hey all =) |
| 13:32.55 | sylar91 | I installed it but there isn't gcc cmd |
| 13:33.04 | alx___ | Zorkman: symlinks-gcc? |
| 13:33.11 | sylar91 | no |
| 13:33.15 | sylar91 | gcc-symlinks |
| 13:33.19 | Zorkman | yeah or gcc symlinks |
| 13:33.24 | sylar91 | lol |
| 13:33.24 | Zorkman | ah, sylar91 got it right |
| 13:33.35 | sylar91 | please wait , i check |
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| 13:34.00 | alx___ | this one? gcc-symlinks - 4.1.2-r12 - The GNU cc and gcc C compilers. |
| 13:34.19 | sylar91 | ok it runs now... thx |
| 13:36.29 | Zorkman | if someone is able to compile sixaxis.c from http://www.pabr.org/sixlinux/sixlinux.en.html#bluetooth he can always PM me :) |
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| 13:37.53 | TeLLuS | Anyone sitting on a NX-client for OM? |
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| 13:39.22 | geocode | Anybody have the gsmmuxd stuff working with 2008.08 w/ updates |
| 13:40.01 | geocode | Oh and I've seen 2008.08 w/ updates referred to as 2008.9 which doesn't seem right to me... Anybody know it is? |
| 13:40.28 | TAsn | playing a game with the wii mote on the go with OM should be awesome :) |
| 13:40.30 | geocode | TeLLuS: I checked, and I've got a chair instead |
| 13:40.45 | sicu | 2008.9 is not finished ... |
| 13:41.23 | geocode | But seriously, I just ssh and use the X from my Linux box. Are you just looking for the compression and accel? |
| 13:41.47 | Tanuva | TAsn: if the neo's fast enough to process wiimote input and the game simultaneously.. |
| 13:42.03 | TAsn | Tanuva, which it isn't. ;\ |
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| 13:43.17 | dns53 | would it be fast enough to emulate a wiimote if you add a usb camera? |
| 13:43.23 | Shlee | R.U.Serial? grabbing the location information shouldn't use any processing power. |
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| 13:44.00 | Shlee | "much" |
| 13:44.05 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1936: PIN entry should default to numeric input ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1936 ) |
| 13:44.30 | Tanuva | dns53: image processing is time consuming... maybe if you don't move it too fast |
| 13:45.10 | dns53 | well the wii mote only finds the brightest 4 dots in an image and sends that back to the wii |
| 13:45.46 | Tanuva | but "brightest" requires you to scan the whole image for dots and determine what's a dot and what not |
| 13:45.58 | Tanuva | and compare their brightness |
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| 13:47.05 | TeLLuS | geocode: Yes, want to run over GPRS later and already have a virtual NX-desktop. But I use X connections sometimes also.. I'm running a internetcafé some days with a sports event that way. |
| 13:47.19 | fale | hi :) |
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| 13:48.20 | Dave | sylar91: oh no :P |
| 13:48.23 | Dave | sicu :D |
| 13:48.44 | sylar91 | ehi dave, hi |
| 13:48.52 | Dave | :P |
| 13:48.54 | sylar91 | why "oh no"? |
| 13:49.02 | Dave | It's you again :p |
| 13:49.10 | sylar91 | lol, I'have to run away? |
| 13:49.15 | Dave | That can't be good. |
| 13:49.23 | sylar91 | lol |
| 13:49.28 | sylar91 | no gps problem this time |
| 13:49.33 | Dave | :] |
| 13:49.35 | Dave | Good. |
| 13:49.40 | sylar91 | :D |
| 13:49.51 | sylar91 | I'm trying to compile xmoto on fr |
| 13:50.38 | TAsn | what's hat? |
| 13:50.48 | sylar91 | hat? oO |
| 13:50.59 | Fradeve | hi all |
| 13:51.06 | sylar91 | hi!! fradeve! ciao |
| 13:51.23 | sylar91 | seguo il tuo blog :D |
| 13:51.26 | Fradeve | Is anyone using openmoko-feedreader2 as daily feed reader? |
| 13:51.41 | sicu | Dave =D |
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| 13:52.05 | fale | hi Fradeve :) |
| 13:52.11 | Fradeve | hi fale |
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| 13:52.44 | Fradeve | I've tried to add a feed but nothing happens... Have I to insert manually a new xml file? |
| 13:53.06 | sylar91 | Fradeve: quando l'ho provato su ubuntu andava bene... |
| 13:54.12 | sicu | sylar91: any luck in increasing the fps in xmoto? or havn't u got that far yet? |
| 13:54.51 | sicu | someone was fiddeling around with it a few days ago, not sure if it was you though |
| 13:54.53 | sylar91 | I'm compiling now, please wait, I'm installing dependencies |
| 13:55.00 | sicu | ahh .. cool |
| 13:55.09 | Mononoke | hmm I have problems with mofi and udhcpc :/ |
| 13:55.38 | TeLLuS | Mononoke: What about it? |
| 13:56.09 | Mononoke | looks like avahi fails and so it can't connect :/ |
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| 13:58.59 | sicu | anybody know why some tickets are filed under 2008.8 and some under 2008.9? http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/report/6 |
| 13:59.33 | TeLLuS | Mononoke: Is it the first time after reboot you are connecting? And you know about this bug http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1625 |
| 14:00.17 | Mononoke | I don' think that it's in driver as it fails on avahi + I'm using 2007.2 :/ |
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| 14:03.18 | sicu | and why on earth was '12 hr clock' removed from 2008.9 High Priority :p ^^ |
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| 14:03.46 | TeLLuS | Mononoke: Ok, I have not seen any problem to connect to wifi in 2008.8 yet.. exept for it mostly only can be done once.. |
| 14:04.23 | Mononoke | I'll consider moving to 2008.8, not sure yet |
| 14:07.31 | TeLLuS | Mononoke: If you do, then do not use the latests images, Try 20080827-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2 and do not run opkg upgrade |
| 14:10.03 | Mononoke | heh thanks |
| 14:10.14 | Dave | Mononononononoke |
| 14:10.32 | Mononoke | shoots Dave |
| 14:10.58 | Fradeve | has anyone experienced troubles with inserting new feeds in openmoko-feedreader2 ? |
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| 14:24.10 | RedFlash | hmm .. somebody knows which program handels the button events ? |
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| 14:25.29 | Dave | redflash, depends on the distro |
| 14:25.34 | Dave | but you don't want to know XD |
| 14:25.47 | RedFlash | 2008.8 .. |
| 14:27.05 | vililikku | Does the gps work in FSO with neo 1973? |
| 14:29.04 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1937: gpsd is killed when running /etc/init.d/gpsd restart ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1937 ) |
| 14:32.33 | sicu | Dave: what distro are u running? and do you use the FR as your everyday phone? |
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| 14:33.45 | sicu | seem to remember you mentioned 2007.2 a while back? |
| 14:38.39 | Fradeve | is there a command to restore default settings of alsamixer? |
| 14:39.52 | Dave | sicu, no I don't |
| 14:39.56 | Dave | and yes, I did mention that |
| 14:40.04 | Dave | fradeve, yes |
| 14:40.13 | neldoreth | /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 14:40.19 | Dave | oh, hah! |
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| 14:41.24 | Fradeve | neldoreth: thanks :-* |
| 14:42.03 | neldoreth | youre welcome |
| 14:42.04 | Fradeve | neldoreth: -sh: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils: not found |
| 14:42.14 | neldoreth | yeah its something like that |
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| 14:58.18 | nyu | how do you send an SMS? |
| 14:58.33 | nyu | I wrote it, and is now archived, but can't find the button to send it |
| 14:58.44 | nyu | is this documented? |
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| 15:04.05 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1938: tzdata package should not overwrite /etc/localtime ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1938 ) |
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| 15:05.58 | joss | heh, a silly question i think, aren't there adapters that provide expandable memory slots over bluetooth connection? |
| 15:05.59 | Zorkman | powering up wifi breaks my usb ssh connection lately, anyone else have this problem? |
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| 15:08.14 | Wiedi | TeLLuS, where can one get 20080827-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2? on downloads.om i only see the daily builds |
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| 15:14.09 | sicu | you have both daily and releases at: http://downloads.openmoko.org/ |
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| 15:15.13 | joss | http://www.hcw.be/p.aspx?p=B7336 what does this kind of device do? |
| 15:15.16 | sicu | but the jffs2 is 20080831, not 20080827, hmmm |
| 15:15.55 | Wiedi | yeah, looks like they delete the older ones... |
| 15:17.06 | SpeedEvil | joss: bluetooth is quite slow. |
| 15:18.48 | joss | SpeedEvil: i think this only converting the gps from cf to blueooth, i doubt it really provides an cf slot over blueooth like i wished:) |
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| 15:20.23 | sicu | joss: it doesnt, it just transmits the gps data via bluetooth |
| 15:20.57 | sicu | but a bluetooth cf slot would be neat =D |
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| 15:21.23 | pete_b1 | hi |
| 15:21.46 | sicu | hey |
| 15:21.48 | nyu | has someone managed to send an SMS with om2007? I'm lost in this maze of icons and can't figure it out :-/ |
| 15:21.54 | joss | sicu: SpeedEvil. thinks bluetooth is little slow for it, i guess that's whay there aren't such |
| 15:21.55 | pete_b1 | im having problems with python-evas while building fso |
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| 15:21.59 | mjr | nyu, it's the button on the top left |
| 15:22.28 | joss | sicu: though i am still searching, but pretty much seems there are no such things:) |
| 15:22.38 | joss | even for pc |
| 15:22.59 | nyu | mjr: the one that looks like a phone? |
| 15:23.20 | pete_b1 | anyone here build fso from source ? |
| 15:23.25 | joss | SpeedEvil: so gps is slower and gsm, that they offer their services over bluetooth? |
| 15:24.10 | abraxa_ | joss: Mind rephrasing that? |
| 15:24.39 | joss | abraxa_: there seem to be some globalsat gps/gprs modules even, that communicate via bluetooth |
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| 15:25.23 | abraxa_ | joss: I have no admit I'm not quite sure what GSM and GPRS have to do with the module you linked us to |
| 15:26.24 | joss | abraxa_: this wont do gsm i think, as i understand it takes cf card and passes bluetooth gps signal to the host |
| 15:26.29 | joss | which seems pointless |
| 15:27.04 | abraxa_ | Yup and yup |
| 15:27.06 | joss | abraxa_: i at first thought that takes arbitary cf card:) |
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| 15:27.44 | abraxa_ | Kinda funny to me, though, how a Neo can replace that module and provide GPS via BT as well. |
| 15:28.22 | joss | hehe, weird stuff to be too |
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| 15:29.07 | geocode | anybody know why qpe is using as much cpu as possible _all_ the time? |
| 15:30.05 | joss | abraxa_: seems there is no such thing as wireless cf reader:) |
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| 15:36.19 | geocode | anybody know how to replace the default keyboard on 2008.8 w/ updates? I would like to switch it to the "Terminal" like one I have used on all previous versions, but now with the "2008.8 updates" distro, I cannot seem to get the instructions on the wiki to work |
| 15:36.52 | geocode | Anybody know how to install Rasterman's keyboard setup (from his distro) over top the 2008.8-updates distro? |
| 15:37.23 | stevenSn | geocode: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Keyboard#Using_the_Full_Qwerty_keyboard |
| 15:37.40 | stevenSn | but I'm not sure if that is the same as rasterman's |
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| 15:42.14 | geocode | Yeah that's what didn't work for me this time |
| 15:42.19 | geocode | It worked on 2008.8 |
| 15:42.25 | geocode | but didn't work on my updates version |
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| 15:42.41 | geocode | Althought I have been messing around with it again to see if I can't get it to work |
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| 15:45.48 | geocode | btw, thanks for the response stevenSn |
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| 15:49.12 | tomboy64 | can i use a more recent kernel with 2007.2? |
| 15:49.34 | tomboy64 | (a uImage from the daily feed for example) |
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| 15:50.12 | mwester | Yes. You may need to update the modules, though. |
| 15:51.11 | tomboy64 | mwester: how do i do that? |
| 15:52.11 | mwester | If you're not sure how, then it might not be a good idea to do it... but basically you would flash the kernel in the normal fashion, and untar the matching modules.tar.gz into /lib/modules. |
| 15:52.31 | tomboy64 | ok |
| 15:52.42 | tomboy64 | well, i'm familiar with baking my own kernel |
| 15:52.49 | neldoreth | is there a way to get the information if the display of the freerunner is in horizontal mode (xrandr -o left) |
| 15:52.57 | tomboy64 | but usually i don't use binary distros |
| 15:55.16 | neldoreth | if i only type xrandr i only get the actual resolution marked with a * |
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| 16:04.34 | geocode | anyone know anything about installing illume-config-illume. I am using 2008.8-updates. I do not have the testing feed configured. I could easily do this, but am worried about stability afterward. Any thoughts? |
| 16:05.44 | tkep | geocode, i had it installed while using zecke's a few days ago |
| 16:06.04 | tkep | before they apparently dropped zecke's and moved to a "stable version" |
| 16:06.10 | geocode | right.... |
| 16:06.14 | tkep | it worked, and i had no real issues, but i set it terribly |
| 16:06.18 | geocode | Yeah I had the keyboard from the wiki working |
| 16:06.31 | geocode | that way with zeckes.... |
| 16:06.34 | tkep | i had some bad settings i think, made the animations too slow....and couldn't undo them |
| 16:06.37 | geocode | Now, I get no love... |
| 16:06.47 | tkep | but i don't think it was necessarily unstable |
| 16:06.55 | tkep | i could still make and receive calls, no programs crashed |
| 16:07.07 | geocode | I'm scared to turn on the testing feed. Last time I did that ... Well lets just say I had to re image.... |
| 16:07.07 | tkep | it didn't seem like all of the illume settings worked |
| 16:07.20 | tkep | eh---i expect to reimage a lot now-a-days |
| 16:07.24 | tkep | all the new things coming out |
| 16:07.26 | geocode | Right now they've disabled the illume settings |
| 16:07.29 | geocode | :-) |
| 16:07.56 | tkep | ahhh |
| 16:08.03 | tkep | i'm still getting used to the setup |
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| 16:10.31 | geocode | Yeah no wrench any more... |
| 16:11.26 | geocode | I liked having the options there... Not real happy with some of the decisions that have been made, but I'll be happy to get things thing to be a stable phone/SMS/GPS/internet device for the short term :-) |
| 16:11.44 | marcel_m | fyi if somebody likes to use a ps sixaxis controller on the neo/fr, you can try http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/misc/sixpair |
| 16:11.50 | geocode | Oh and a text editor... Gotta be able to jot down notes |
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| 16:14.14 | geocode | So many versions and updates and different instructions that fall out of date so quickly. this stuff is in such a state of flux, I can't keep up... As soon as I get 3 of the 5 features working, a fix for a forth comes out but when I install it it breaks one of the first three and then the instructions for that one don't work anymore ;-\ |
| 16:14.25 | geocode | makes me cross eyed |
| 16:15.45 | paroneayea | well, left my battery out of the phone for twelve hours, put it back in and plugged it in for ten minutes, still won't come on... either the battery died or the phone did :( |
| 16:16.03 | paroneayea | shame, was gonna give a talk at the local python user group on how to program for this too |
| 16:17.27 | mwester | paroneayea: I think you have it backwards -- leave the battery out for 10 minutes, then put it back in and let it charge for several hours before attempting to power it up. |
| 16:18.08 | paroneayea | mwester: hm. Maybe I'll try that with this usb device wall charger I have |
| 16:18.18 | paroneayea | might go faster |
| 16:18.30 | mwester | (although all the recent u-boot changes may have changed some of that standard behavior) |
| 16:18.52 | mwester | paroneayea: why not with the charger that came with the freerunner? |
| 16:18.52 | tkep | paroneayea, yeah--that's not abnormal for the battery to be beyond booting up the system |
| 16:19.10 | tkep | 100mA charge, here you come |
| 16:19.18 | paroneayea | mwester: because it's a 1973 |
| 16:19.26 | paroneayea | and it didn't come with a charger. |
| 16:19.33 | mwester | Ah, ok. Then the u-boot changes won't affect it. |
| 16:19.39 | mwester | I run into that all the time. |
| 16:20.35 | paroneayea | think a standard motorola usb wall charger will work? |
| 16:20.36 | mwester | The good news is that I've probably done that to the battery several dozen times, and I've always gotten it to charge enough to boot up in a few hours. |
| 16:20.48 | paroneayea | or will that kill my 1973 :) |
| 16:20.54 | paroneayea | mwester: that's comforting |
| 16:21.01 | paroneayea | maybe I need to stop panicing so much :( |
| 16:21.03 | mwester | Oh -- the wall charger won't make a bit of difference; the neo will select 100ma no matter what. |
| 16:21.04 | paroneayea | :P |
| 16:21.08 | paroneayea | ah |
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| 16:21.34 | geocode | I constantly have my battery too discharged (forgetting to turn the suspend back on after using GPS) |
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| 16:21.43 | geocode | It is quite a pain to get it to start charging |
| 16:21.54 | geocode | I'll try like 3 times for hours and it won't start |
| 16:22.00 | mwester | Just don't plug it into a Windoze box; they may try to enumerate the USB if the neo shows any signs of life, but then when the neo powers back off, the windoze box turns off power to the port -- and it'll never ever charge. :( |
| 16:22.11 | geocode | Then it just seems too work all of a sudden |
| 16:22.45 | geocode | I always switch back and forth between the wall usb adapter and my linux boxes usb adapter... |
| 16:22.46 | tomboy64 | shiiiit git is slow |
| 16:22.57 | geocode | fetch? |
| 16:23.02 | tomboy64 | clone |
| 16:23.16 | geocode | uh huh, full repository copy |
| 16:23.23 | geocode | over the network? |
| 16:23.24 | tomboy64 | uhm |
| 16:23.34 | mwester | tomboy64: try monotone (that's what was in use before git). Your grandchildren may get to see it finish syncing. |
| 16:23.47 | tomboy64 | :-D |
| 16:23.59 | tomboy64 | btw |
| 16:24.12 | tomboy64 | the wiki-kernel page sent me here http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/gitweb?p=kernel.git;a=summary |
| 16:24.16 | tomboy64 | so i'm doing a clone now |
| 16:24.17 | geocode | Yeah sometimes I would rather just get a copy of HEAD and leave the repository elsewhere :-) |
| 16:24.33 | mwester | Seriously, the OE folks still use monotone. I frequently blow away my entire database and download the tarball copy from the OE site, rather than attempt to sync more than a few dozen updates. |
| 16:24.34 | tomboy64 | and then switch to the stable tree |
| 16:24.39 | tomboy64 | is that correct? |
| 16:25.02 | tomboy64 | or would it be quicker to download a tarball and apply a patchset? |
| 16:25.03 | mwester | That'll work. But you'll need a toolchain too. |
| 16:25.10 | tomboy64 | mhmm |
| 16:25.17 | mwester | No, no tarball exists to apply a patchset. |
| 16:25.35 | tomboy64 | a pity |
| 16:25.42 | tomboy64 | that quite honestly sucks ^^ |
| 16:25.44 | mwester | The toolchain should be downloadable from somewhere on the om site. |
| 16:26.04 | mwester | It's big, and if you're having trouble downloading the git repo, the toolchain is going to be painful too. |
| 16:26.40 | tomboy64 | oh |
| 16:26.43 | tomboy64 | size is not an issue |
| 16:26.47 | tomboy64 | but ... |
| 16:27.11 | tomboy64 | i'm seriously considering calling a mate and setting up an own buildhost for that shit |
| 16:27.51 | Wonka | get mokomakefile, make openmoko-toolchain |
| 16:27.55 | Wonka | nor? |
| 16:28.01 | Wonka | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
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| 16:28.23 | tomboy64 | does it provide a kernel target? |
| 16:29.34 | Wonka | make build-package-kernel... |
| 16:29.45 | Wonka | that one could qualify |
| 16:30.01 | mwester | It builds everything required... starting by building your own local copies of system utilities it doesn't trust your host to have, the toolchain, then all dependencies required to build a final firmware image. In the midst of all that, it will build a kernel too. But you can't really build the kernel, or easily do custom work on it, with the Makefile. |
| 16:30.34 | mwester | If you are working on the kernel (patching, etc), you want to clone the git kernel repo and do it the normal "kernel" way. |
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| 16:31.22 | mwester | (The makefile will try to be smarter than you, and will often overwrite, or appear to ignore, your changes... it's really quite a pain for kernel devs. |
| 16:31.24 | mwester | ) |
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| 16:32.16 | mwester | (But it does a fabulous job of building an image, and a toolchain, which is what the Makefile is designed to do, of course!) |
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| 16:35.55 | tomboy64 | hmm |
| 16:36.35 | tomboy64 | is there anything that definitely requires to be built as a module in the kernel? |
| 16:37.00 | tomboy64 | cause i would much prefer a purely monolithic blob |
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| 16:39.51 | geocode | okay rebooting... I've installed all the gsm gmuxd stuff for gprs and phone at same time (with GUI) under 2008.8-updates... We'll see how it goes |
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| 16:44.25 | paroneayea | mwester: alright, you're right, it booted... I've learned my lesson.. I'll stop crying wolf on my phone being dead in this channel ;) |
| 16:44.47 | brian_252 | Does anyone have an issue where their phone rings, but they can't answer it? |
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| 16:45.36 | brian_252 | (using Debian FSO zhone) |
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| 16:47.39 | paroneayea | brian_252: hm... haven't had that... any other symptoms? |
| 16:47.47 | paroneayea | has this happened just once, or all the time? |
| 16:47.52 | brian_252 | paroneayea: Not that i know of yet. |
| 16:48.00 | brian_252 | I shall check again now. |
| 16:48.31 | brian_252 | btw this default ring tone is hilarious |
| 16:49.01 | undrwater | Tao? |
| 16:49.10 | brian_252 | paraneayea: repeated |
| 16:49.28 | brian_252 | The answer button flashes blue, but the ring does not stop. |
| 16:49.34 | undrwater | fSo? |
| 16:50.15 | brian_252 | yes |
| 16:50.39 | undrwater | confirmed here |
| 16:50.47 | geocode | So how many ppl in here are using 2008.8 or similar vs. fso vs debian etc? |
| 16:51.09 | paroneayea | i'm using FSO Debian |
| 16:51.14 | brian_252 | *shurg* but it would be real nice to gather some statistics. |
| 16:51.38 | undrwater | answer appears broken |
| 16:51.46 | paroneayea | hm |
| 16:51.51 | paroneayea | it was working for me just yesterday |
| 16:52.52 | undrwater | any updates for foray? |
| 16:52.52 | undrwater | today |
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| 16:53.31 | undrwater | predictive keyboard |
| 16:53.54 | RedFlash2000 | does someboy know where the program is that 'locks' the Display ? |
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| 16:55.30 | undrwater | k want alt for rotate |
| 16:55.31 | geocode | 2008.8 |
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| 16:56.45 | undrwater | 8-) |
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| 17:09.31 | Dave | moko moko moko |
| 17:11.14 | Tanuva | nom nom nom |
| 17:11.44 | Dave | :P |
| 17:12.16 | Dave | I'd imagine eating one would be pointy, hurty, and dissatisfying. |
| 17:12.23 | Dave | because it's a brokenmoko :p |
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| 17:13.15 | Dave | back from the antarctic, bricode? :P |
| 17:14.32 | Gromgull1 | My screen goes black if I dont touch it for a while... and it's impossible to bring it back. wifi/usb network stays up though and my ssh session lives on - anyone else seen this? |
| 17:14.39 | Gromgull1 | Just now I saw it fade out - displaying a big ugly X logo |
| 17:16.31 | tuXXX | gromgull: mine goes black if it's on battery some time without using it, but then pressing the power button once wake it up |
| 17:17.14 | gromgull | tuXXX - nope powerbutton does nothing |
| 17:17.16 | gromgull | nor aux |
| 17:17.19 | gromgull | nor touching the screen |
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| 17:18.50 | Dave | This typically happens gormgull |
| 17:19.28 | Dave | Usually it means the phone has entered suspend mode, but there is a software problem currently on some phone distributions preventing it from resuming (coming out of suspend) properly. |
| 17:19.45 | gromgull | But suspend should kill wifi and my ssh session, surely? |
| 17:19.52 | gromgull | so perhaps it fails to suspend properly |
| 17:19.53 | Dave | For the time being, I believe that if your phone does that, you should stop using suspend. |
| 17:20.02 | Dave | right |
| 17:20.09 | Dave | In other words, the suspend/resume is all fucked up :D |
| 17:20.22 | gromgull | :) |
| 17:20.25 | Dave | and actually, no gromgull, it's not designed to all go to sleep |
| 17:20.34 | Dave | but for the time being, it's just very underdeveloped |
| 17:20.36 | gromgull | Actually now I tried restarting the xserver, then it really crashed :) |
| 17:20.54 | Dave | the gsm modem is never dropped, because people wanted the ability for their phone to wakeup when you receive a call |
| 17:21.04 | gromgull | that makes sense |
| 17:21.05 | Dave | gromgull, cool :D (well, sort of :P ) |
| 17:21.07 | Dave | right |
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| 17:21.22 | Dave | unfortunately, this has left it even more fucked up, because now the gsm modem wakes it up before it can ever fully sleep |
| 17:21.31 | Dave | so often it doesn't ever suspend in the first place |
| 17:21.44 | Dave | I think it's safe to say the whole suspend feature needs a lot of work :P |
| 17:21.53 | gromgull | :) |
| 17:22.27 | Dave | oh, and as you may have noticed, killing certain processes tends to blow things up on the phone :D |
| 17:22.32 | Dave | (crashing it) |
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| 17:23.23 | gromgull | yes - i've tried this before ... as well |
| 17:23.33 | gromgull | So - without suspend battery life is a bit of an issue though... |
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| 17:24.23 | tkep | is there anyway to get text messages to tell who they are coming from? All I get is the number that is sending it |
| 17:24.31 | tkep | I never know who it is according to my address book |
| 17:25.06 | dolf1074 | put the landcode into your contact phone number and they will appear when they are calling/sms |
| 17:25.29 | tkep | landcode? |
| 17:25.36 | dolf1074 | +32 for belgium |
| 17:25.40 | tkep | oh |
| 17:25.57 | tkep | so i have to edit each of them? that seems like a real pain to be honest |
| 17:26.07 | tkep | there has to be some way to say "all of these are from the US" |
| 17:26.25 | dolf1074 | No, there isn't a cool way |
| 17:26.29 | tkep | that sucks |
| 17:26.40 | tkep | oh well, i'll start doing it to those who text me most |
| 17:27.27 | dolf1074 | and else, search a young child who loves to play with cellphones and ask him to do it ;) |
| 17:27.30 | dolf1074 | works always |
| 17:28.49 | tkep | dolf1074, hahaha, awesome |
| 17:29.42 | tkep | so, in the us, if i add a 1 to everyone, it'll work |
| 17:30.46 | dolf1074 | +1 en dan de eerste nul wegdoen |
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| 17:31.03 | dolf1074 | bv 042163152 -> 0142163152 |
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| 17:31.24 | dolf1074 | sorry, bv 042163152 -> +142163152 |
| 17:31.36 | Dave | :o |
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| 17:32.25 | gromgull | so Dave - no using suspend... but there is a current bug that makes the Settings app update apm, or? Can I disable it from the shell somehow? |
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| 17:34.08 | Dave | gromgull? |
| 17:34.13 | gromgull | yep |
| 17:34.16 | Dave | You can simply set it not to suspend. |
| 17:34.32 | gromgull | In the Settings application? This doesn't seem to make any difference |
| 17:35.18 | gromgull | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1928 |
| 17:35.25 | Dave | :| |
| 17:35.28 | Dave | crud |
| 17:35.33 | Dave | I'm unsure of which distro you're using :P |
| 17:35.37 | gromgull | Om2008.08 |
| 17:35.40 | gromgull | updated today |
| 17:35.46 | Dave | oh heh |
| 17:35.50 | Dave | I'm not sure about 2008.8 |
| 17:35.54 | Dave | or it's updates |
| 17:36.01 | Dave | I know that the power menu in 2007.2 works fine :P |
| 17:36.04 | gromgull | Right - what do you use? 2007.2 still? |
| 17:36.04 | gromgull | right |
| 17:36.06 | cesarb | This http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=262 got me thinking: do we already have quake on the openmoko phones? |
| 17:36.08 | Dave | yeah :) |
| 17:36.11 | gromgull | hmm - maybe I should have kept it :) |
| 17:36.14 | Dave | Cesarb! |
| 17:36.18 | cesarb | (Everything has to have quake or doom ported to it) |
| 17:36.19 | dolf1074 | I don't have the problem with om2008.8 and the stable updates |
| 17:36.24 | cesarb | Dave: hi |
| 17:36.26 | Dave | Cesarb, no, but I've been working on doom and heretic packages :) |
| 17:36.34 | cesarb | Dave: heh |
| 17:36.36 | Dave | Cesarb, I agree! |
| 17:36.52 | cesarb | Dave: that link is interesting because it has a input scheme for another device with no buttons |
| 17:37.06 | cesarb | Dave: which could be used on the FR too (but not on the accelerometerless GTA01) |
| 17:37.07 | Dave | Cesarb, fascinating! |
| 17:37.15 | gromgull | There was a "of course it runs quake" webpage i think... |
| 17:37.23 | Dave | well, I wish there was more than just accelerometer input. |
| 17:37.36 | Dave | Though it is interesting nonetheless. |
| 17:37.44 | Dave | szwing zwing |
| 17:37.46 | Dave | hack slash |
| 17:38.01 | cesarb | Dave: that link uses the accelerometers, a tilt switch (could use the accelerometers too), and touch screen |
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| 17:38.28 | Dave | Dear package maintainers, if you are going to add a new dependency to one of your packages, please make sure it is first added to the repositories! Thanks. |
| 17:38.36 | Dave | cesarb, yes :) |
| 17:39.42 | CVirus | Dave: where's my greeting ? |
| 17:40.39 | Dave | Fuck you. |
| 17:40.47 | Dave | :) |
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| 17:43.32 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r912ba4580f72 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input-helpers.h input.plugin input.vala): |
| 17:43.32 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: added charger and headset events. |
| 17:43.32 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: refactor code a bit |
| 17:43.32 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: FIXME: the high CPU usage still needs to be fixed |
| 17:43.32 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: FIXED: idlenotifier and input plugins works together now (hopefully |
| 17:43.36 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: without problems) |
| 17:45.04 | CVirus | Dave: how mature |
| 17:45.21 | Dave | Obviously :) |
| 17:45.31 | CVirus | now .. behave |
| 17:45.52 | Dave | You too, please. :) |
| 17:46.36 | CVirus | you're the one who's cussing here |
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| 17:54.01 | cesarb | Hm, how do I power off on FSO? |
| 17:54.55 | edistar | cesarb: take out the battery |
| 17:55.17 | cesarb | edistar: seriously |
| 17:55.32 | edistar | press the power button for 9 seconds |
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| 17:55.38 | edistar | that is serious.. |
| 17:56.19 | cesarb | does it the rebel way and types "halt" on the terminal |
| 17:56.31 | PBeck | has anybody opencitymap tested on qtopia? |
| 17:56.40 | cesarb | which, by the way, is quite usable... |
| 17:57.56 | PBeck | cesarb: hold the power button for a few seconds |
| 17:58.28 | cesarb | Now I just have to find out why does the battery display on FSO fails (the same way it failed on 2007.2). Is that because I'm on a GTA01, or is it because I'm on a 2.6.26 kernel instead of the default 2.6.24? |
| 17:58.59 | edistar | what do you mean with fail? |
| 17:59.12 | cesarb | edistar: it shows a blank battery symbol |
| 17:59.20 | cesarb | edistar: 2007.2 showed an "error" one |
| 17:59.22 | edistar | I presume it's because you're on a gta01 |
| 17:59.52 | edistar | wasn't there a hw change with the battery pins? |
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| 18:00.46 | cesarb | edistar: there was a hw change with the power management chip, which is a more probable cause |
| 18:00.51 | cesarb | edistar: the path is different |
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| 18:00.56 | edistar | okey |
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| 18:01.05 | edistar | should be easy to change in zhone |
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| 18:05.20 | johngay | Got an AT&T Pay as you go SIM last night. It registers straight away. |
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| 18:06.02 | johngay | Is it possible to fetch the remaining time via some sort of script? |
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| 18:06.54 | CVirus | I think I saw a python script on the list that can do so |
| 18:07.51 | ap02 | has anybody been able to get the FR to sync time from the GSM network? |
| 18:08.10 | johngay | Now I've got my phone and SIM. Time to start fetching and building apps to wow friends! |
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| 18:10.05 | ap02 | johngay: did you get a phone with it too? |
| 18:10.18 | johngay | No, just the SIM. |
| 18:10.37 | ap02 | k |
| 18:11.21 | johngay | Anyone using 2007.2? |
| 18:12.52 | dolf1074 | no i'm a 2008.8 fan |
| 18:13.47 | johngay | I tried 2008.8 yesterday, but suspend was broken and my phone kept dropping PuTTY every time the phone suspended. |
| 18:14.04 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1939: wifi crashes the device ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1939 ) |
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| 18:14.17 | dolf1074 | Wich image did you use? The 2008.8 update? |
| 18:14.38 | CVirus | thinks that OM shall hire more developers |
| 18:14.45 | dolf1074 | hopes so |
| 18:15.08 | CVirus | this is taking too much |
| 18:15.23 | CVirus | I was always against "productizing" FLOSS projects :-p |
| 18:16.31 | nyu | isn't OM a commercial project from the ground up? |
| 18:16.36 | johngay | What ever was on the download page. Om2008.8-gta02-20080830.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 18:16.56 | nyu | (not that I see anything wrong with that, as long as the hardware & the code is free) |
| 18:17.26 | mwester | CVirus: It's more being pregnant -- more people doesn't make any difference in the amount of time it takes to project completion. :) |
| 18:17.40 | CVirus | haha :-D |
| 18:17.45 | johngay | OM is a commercial entity trying to use FOSS to build a better mouse-trap ^C^C^C^C phone. |
| 18:17.48 | mwester | IMO, Om's big issue is lack of organization and the inability to get the community effectively involved. |
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| 18:18.07 | mmontour | I just hope they'll be able to hire developers fast enough to replace the ones that are burning out and leaving the company |
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| 18:18.17 | CVirus | mmontour: totally agreed |
| 18:18.26 | dolf1074 | johngay: should be the same, strange. |
| 18:18.48 | mwester | mmontour: I don't think it'll make any difference. I rather suspect that the developers knew how baaaaaaaad the concept of 2008.8 was in the first place. |
| 18:18.53 | dolf1074 | johngay: yeah, the only thing you can do is wait till om fixes these problems in a new release |
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| 18:19.13 | johngay | Someone logged a bug after they'd updated to the daily build and his phone wouldn't susspend. |
| 18:19.33 | johngay | I'll just stick with 2007.2 for now. |
| 18:19.59 | mmontour | mwester: agreed, but there's hope for getting things back on track with FSO |
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| 18:20.53 | mwester | :) But you'll note that FSO is not an Om project... it's Mickeyl's vision, and being done as a community project. |
| 18:20.57 | dolf1074 | I have om2007.2/om2008.8/Qtopia/Debian/FSO on my phone, but i'm using 2008.8 mostly because I can connect to wifi +wpa without trouble |
| 18:21.32 | johngay | ASU was basic commercial workflow. Take something that's more stable and push it out the door until you get time to polish what you really want to offer. |
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| 18:22.30 | mmontour | OM is supporting it though - Sean confirmed this on the community list yesterday "But make no mistake, future versions of Om will use this framework. We've invested lots of time and money into it" |
| 18:23.02 | mwester | I don't believe that statement is completely true the way it reads. |
| 18:23.06 | CVirus | I still think that we don't have a really big community for effective contributions |
| 18:23.15 | CVirus | so most of the work must be done by OM employees |
| 18:23.51 | mwester | The community _had_ many very competent people; they got discouraged and many left, simply because Om could not organize around a community. |
| 18:24.10 | CVirus | true |
| 18:24.11 | mwester | There are still many very good developers right here on this channel. |
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| 18:24.17 | mmontour | johngay: except that it wasn't (still isn't) "more stable". |
| 18:24.35 | mwester | They almost all wait for Om to do something, rather than all participate in an Om-sponsored project. |
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| 18:25.24 | CVirus | mwester: OM hired only 2 developers to work on the kernel !! |
| 18:25.31 | mwester | The single most damaging blow to the community, IMO, was when Om dumped the GTK stuff, and headed off like a spooked horse on the stupid ASU track. |
| 18:25.32 | CVirus | Andy Green and Werner |
| 18:25.36 | CVirus | not enough by any means |
| 18:25.37 | mmontour | In hindsight they probably should've just shipped the FR with Trolltech Qtopia, skipped ASU, and written their new stuff in parallel with the FSO backend |
| 18:25.54 | CVirus | mwester: Qt is the future |
| 18:26.04 | nyu | mmontour: no X11? |
| 18:26.27 | nyu | loses a lot of cool factor then |
| 18:26.34 | CVirus | agreed |
| 18:26.39 | mwester | CVirus: :) Then Om should have joined with Trolltech to make Qtopia the stack of choice. |
| 18:26.49 | mwester | Not create some "franken-image" |
| 18:26.58 | CVirus | I wish Sean was here to read this |
| 18:27.23 | mwester | He's heard it all, I'm sure, and lives in his only bright and shiney executive world. |
| 18:27.24 | stevenSn | why does qpe keep scanning my filesystem (using logs of IO and cpu time) ? |
| 18:27.36 | CVirus | LOL @ mwester |
| 18:27.48 | mmontour | nyu: A sort-of-working phone, onto which people can install their own software (including X11) |
| 18:27.58 | nyu | mwester: does Qtopia have a true commitment to freedom? for example, what about Ogg support, which Nokia doesn't like? |
| 18:28.02 | mwester | stevenSn: It's a feature. It's looking for multimedia files (which it can't play very well anyway). |
| 18:28.16 | mwester | nyu: I have no idea. But it works, and nothing else really does. |
| 18:28.30 | nyu | mwester: om2007 works too |
| 18:28.41 | nyu | it just has many bugs |
| 18:28.44 | stevenSn | mwester: Is there a way I can disable that feature? |
| 18:28.51 | mwester | nyu: That's true, but om2007 is incomplete, and abandoned by Om. |
| 18:29.02 | nyu | what I'd like is if there was a stable branch |
| 18:29.08 | nyu | where only bugfixes went in |
| 18:29.10 | mwester | stevenSn: Check the distro mailing list archives, I think someone mentioned how you can disable it. |
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| 18:33.28 | stevenSn | mwester: found it, thanks |
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| 18:35.32 | sylar91 | hi, somebody could help me please? |
| 18:36.03 | sylar91 | I can't use battery app |
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| 18:38.07 | bricode_ | Dave: Still in Costa Rica. |
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| 18:43.29 | mwester | sylar91: You'll probably have to be more specific with your question in order to get some useful answers... |
| 18:43.59 | sylar91 | np, I solved... |
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| 18:48.12 | sylar91 | Isn't there a method to create "folder" in the home of 2008.8 in order to have apps links subdivided into "categories"? |
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| 18:50.34 | admiral0 | hello * |
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| 18:56.03 | bricode | Any uboot heads in the audience? |
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| 18:59.18 | Wiedi | how can i disable prediction in the 2008 keyboard? (kind of useless for wifi passwords ;) |
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| 19:00.09 | edistar | Wiedi: qtopia keyboard? delete the wordlist |
| 19:00.13 | edistar | it's all in the wiki |
| 19:00.41 | Wiedi | ah ok thanks ;) |
| 19:02.56 | Zorkman | i like this idea: http://wendt.se/software/openmoko/screens/keyboard-layer.png |
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| 19:03.21 | nyu | Zorkman: awesome |
| 19:03.23 | ernst | oh cool |
| 19:03.40 | Kiantis | i guess it works good only on landscape mode |
| 19:03.44 | nyu | Zorkman: but then how do you copy & cut? |
| 19:03.46 | Zorkman | it's only a mock-up |
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| 19:04.00 | Zorkman | nyu: you would have to press the keyboard button and toggle the kb I presume |
| 19:04.26 | nyu | Zorkman: is that gtk+? |
| 19:04.28 | Zorkman | or maybe click and hold goes "through" the keyboard |
| 19:04.41 | Zorkman | nyu: it's just "art" not a real program :) |
| 19:04.56 | Zorkman | but it seems feasable to me... |
| 19:05.05 | nyu | Zorkman: why do you break things to me? :-/ |
| 19:05.20 | nyu | I was happy believing it was real |
| 19:05.29 | Zorkman | :) the fact that it doesn't exist doesn't mean it will never :) |
| 19:05.47 | nyu | nothing really does. but at least I can dram |
| 19:05.49 | nyu | *dream |
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| 19:07.33 | edistar | Zorkman: has to be usable |
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| 19:07.43 | edistar | Zorkman: you want to press aux all the time while typing? |
| 19:07.54 | Zorkman | ?? why do you say that edistar? |
| 19:08.02 | edistar | just asking |
| 19:08.13 | edistar | thinking about the concept |
| 19:08.13 | Zorkman | no, I don't like pressing aux at all :) |
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| 19:08.17 | edistar | ok |
| 19:08.38 | Zorkman | in my mind it would just "pop up" like the normal keyboard or you turn it on by clicking the qwerty button |
| 19:08.39 | edistar | but how would you then distinguish between keyboard input and program input? |
| 19:08.41 | sylar91 |  Isn't there a method to create "folder" in the home of 2008.8 in order to have apps links subdivided into "categories"? |
| 19:08.48 | Zorkman | sylar91: there isn't |
| 19:08.58 | Zorkman | raster said that in this chan I think |
| 19:09.05 | edistar | sylar91: not yet at least |
| 19:09.08 | Zorkman | but he's going to make it possible under FSO I think :) |
| 19:09.28 | Toaster` | so I noticed that illume-config-illume is available in the repos (at least for 2008.8-update/testing). is it supposed to give me the illume keyboard and extra config options? or is that somehting different? |
| 19:09.40 | edistar | Toaster`: no, that is it |
| 19:09.55 | Zorkman | edistar: the colors/alpha values will have to be tweaked, maybe even auto-adaptable to the color of the underlaying program |
| 19:10.02 | sylar91 | where can i download the ipk of illume-config-illume? |
| 19:10.05 | Zorkman | Toaster`: but it doesn't work here |
| 19:10.12 | edistar | Zorkman: yeah, the concept is nice |
| 19:10.14 | Zorkman | sylar91: the testing feeds of 2008.8 |
| 19:10.21 | edistar | but it won't be a direct input keyboard then |
| 19:10.26 | Toaster` | Zorkman: I'm noticing as well, hence why I'm asking. |
| 19:10.36 | Zorkman | and "press and hold" to click on the underlying program would be nice I think |
| 19:10.41 | edistar | and things like ctrl + c will be slightly harder to implement/use |
| 19:10.55 | Zorkman | why that edistar? |
| 19:11.30 | sylar91 | the testing feeds? where? Oo |
| 19:11.32 | edistar | Zorkman: do you know the nokia internet tablet fulscreen keyboarD? |
| 19:11.37 | edistar | *keyboard |
| 19:11.38 | dolf1074 | just a popup of the keyboard with a cancel on the bottom. |
| 19:11.44 | dolf1074 | that would do it |
| 19:11.45 | Zorkman | no edistar, haven't seen it |
| 19:11.53 | edistar | ok, it's similar, just not transparent |
| 19:11.56 | edistar | but fullscreen |
| 19:12.08 | Zorkman | ah, but that kinde sucks.. if you can't see what you've typed... |
| 19:12.10 | edistar | dolf1074: then it'd have to pop up all the time |
| 19:12.15 | Toaster` | sylar91: the testing repos are listed on the wiki |
| 19:12.24 | edistar | Zorkman: you can because it has an input field at the top |
| 19:12.26 | dolf1074 | it will pop up when you click a text entry |
| 19:12.45 | Toaster` | sylar91: standard rules apply, things may not work, randomly break, annoy your cat, etc. |
| 19:12.51 | edistar | so the app would just run, the keyboard would be a layer up and transparent and you could input stuff? |
| 19:13.13 | dolf1074 | edistar: that should be perfect as keyboard, isn't it? |
| 19:13.13 | Zorkman | I would like it be like http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards#Modified_Matchbox_Keyboard:_finger_friendly |
| 19:13.27 | edistar | scenario: 3 text fields |
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| 19:13.37 | Zorkman | that has every key, also ctr-c and esc and you can use arrows and whatever you want |
| 19:13.39 | edistar | you tap into the first text field.. write something |
| 19:14.02 | edistar | then you have to cancel the keyboard, tap into the second text field and then get the keyboard again |
| 19:14.08 | edistar | somehow not really practical |
| 19:14.16 | dolf1074 | I like it |
| 19:14.22 | Zorkman | edistar: that's why I would like us to be able to "press and hold" that would go "through" the keyboard and select the next line |
| 19:14.29 | edistar | me to, especially the transparent bit |
| 19:14.36 | Zorkman | line=textbox |
| 19:14.36 | edistar | Zorkman: yeah, good idea too |
| 19:14.45 | dolf1074 | press and hold will take longer than just tap 2 times |
| 19:14.49 | edistar | someone should do that.. |
| 19:14.57 | edistar | dolf1074: depends how much action you want |
| 19:14.59 | Zorkman | dolf1074: depends on the speed the FR has for popping it up and down :-) |
| 19:15.06 | edistar | even |
| 19:15.10 | dolf1074 | and if you want to scroll, you have to press, hold and than scroll |
| 19:15.19 | edistar | yeah |
| 19:15.26 | edistar | that's quite cool ;) |
| 19:15.40 | Zorkman | dolf1074: there should of course be a button to easily remove it, that way you can chose, press and hold or pull it down and back up |
| 19:15.48 | dolf1074 | perfect |
| 19:15.53 | edistar | but maybe the transparent bit is slightly to heavy for glamo? |
| 19:15.54 | dolf1074 | now somebody who makes it :p |
| 19:16.08 | Zorkman | yeah, i'm also worrying about that edistar :( |
| 19:16.11 | edistar | and you need a wm that can handle it |
| 19:16.16 | dolf1074 | edistar: FSO has transparant |
| 19:16.28 | edistar | dolf1074: yes, but not several layers of programs |
| 19:16.35 | Toaster` | Zorkman: after installing illume-config-illume I should only need to restart the xserver right? not a full reboot |
| 19:16.54 | Toaster` | Zorkman: to see if it did install properly by chance |
| 19:16.56 | dolf1074 | i think it's worth to try ;) |
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| 19:17.03 | edistar | dolf1074: completely different to be able to show 2 windows at the same time or one windows that calculated transparency itself |
| 19:17.04 | Zorkman | Toaster`: i think you need to reboot |
| 19:17.25 | edistar | but maybe wms can do that already.. |
| 19:18.18 | edistar | maybe implement ist as an e17 module |
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| 19:18.37 | edistar | Zorkman: are you a programmer? |
| 19:18.54 | Zorkman | edistar: not really :( |
| 19:19.00 | sylar91 | ehi is there an apps to create link to shell commands? |
| 19:19.14 | Zorkman | what do you mean sylar91?N |
| 19:19.25 | edistar | Zorkman: heel klein beetje teminste? |
| 19:19.50 | Zorkman | edistar: een heeeeeeeel klein beetje, maar ik draai pas linux sinds 1.5 maand :) |
| 19:20.08 | sylar91 | an apps that show a list of commands to launch |
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| 19:20.10 | edistar | what language? |
| 19:20.15 | Zorkman | only know java and a little bit c (python doesn't seem difficult, but i have never tried it) |
| 19:20.23 | Zorkman | so no programmer at all :) |
| 19:20.30 | edistar | ok |
| 19:20.32 | edistar | bit of c is ok |
| 19:20.53 | sylar91 | ok boys, if an apps like this doesn't exists, i'll create one... it isn't hard |
| 19:21.27 | edistar | sylar91: create one |
| 19:21.35 | Zorkman | sylar91: we would all welcome this :) |
| 19:21.44 | sylar91 | np |
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| 19:22.20 | Zorkman | btw: I got the info from a mail on the community mailing list, a guy named Frederik Wendt made it |
| 19:22.33 | edistar | made what? |
| 19:22.41 | sylar91 | made what? |
| 19:22.44 | edistar | hehe |
| 19:22.55 | Zorkman | the png, the image |
| 19:22.58 | sylar91 | what made? :O |
| 19:23.02 | sylar91 | oO |
| 19:23.02 | edistar | ah, okey |
| 19:23.04 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.13 | tunys | tunys is traveling northwest at 1 mile per hour, or so his FreeRunner is telling him. In reality, tunys and his FreeRunner are sitting perfectly still downloading maps. |
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| 19:23.18 | edistar | I see it right before my eyes.. |
| 19:23.27 | sylar91 | and what is this? |
| 19:23.33 | edistar | tunys: that's what you think.. |
| 19:23.40 | edistar | sylar91: a mockup |
| 19:23.45 | Zorkman | hehe tunys: only 1?? I've done faster on my chair :) (but it has wheels, maybe the FR can detect that) |
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| 19:24.05 | Toaster` | ahh boo. Zorkman, you're quite right, illume-config-illume does SFA. Think it's just a place holder for future working versions? |
| 19:24.10 | sylar91 | and the keyboard is aviable? |
| 19:24.16 | edistar | Zorkman: if you implement that keyboard as e17 module you could make it fully themable |
| 19:24.21 | Zorkman | sylar91: just a picture someone made because he wanted to visualise the idea he had |
| 19:24.44 | Zorkman | edistar: believe me, if i thought I could pull it off, I was already on it |
| 19:24.53 | Zorkman | haven't really looked into e or illume :( |
| 19:25.12 | sylar91 | Now i'm using the big modded matchbox keyboard |
| 19:25.41 | edistar | Zorkman: you = someone |
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| 19:25.50 | Zorkman | that would be very cool |
| 19:25.52 | edistar | just mean the idea |
| 19:26.01 | edistar | I'll google a bit for e17 modules |
| 19:26.01 | Zorkman | it would solve a lot of keyboard-trouble |
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| 19:26.13 | edistar | but it'll be much to advanced I suppose |
| 19:26.28 | Zorkman | [joking]it might be raster-keyboard killer[/joking] |
| 19:26.41 | edistar | keyboard would accept dbus signals like pop-up, pop-down, layout theme etc |
| 19:27.06 | edistar | Zorkman: on my nokia I only use the fullscreen keyboard, it's just so much more comfortable |
| 19:27.19 | Zorkman | edistar: but can you see what you type? |
| 19:27.43 | edistar | yeah, at the top |
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| 19:29.01 | Zorkman | that would also be quite usable... A very big solid keyboard and two lines of small-font text |
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| 19:29.39 | edistar | yeah |
| 19:29.46 | edistar | but transparent is much cooler |
| 19:30.03 | Zorkman | true, if our FR can handle it :) |
| 19:30.39 | Zorkman | you have a nokia800 edistar? |
| 19:30.44 | edistar | no, a n770 |
| 19:30.51 | dolf1074 | tunys: I do better, I'm sitting perfectly still in front of my freeRunner, but he's saying that i'm going 9.2km/h and i'm almost 1 km northwest from where I'm actually |
| 19:31.01 | mmontour | bricode: did you have a u-boot question? |
| 19:31.50 | Zorkman | dolf1074: don't forget to look at your altitude |
| 19:32.00 | abraxa_ | mmontour: He's gone, unfortunately |
| 19:32.14 | mmontour | oh |
| 19:32.17 | Zorkman | the altitude of my chair varies with more than 400m everytime I start gps :) |
| 19:32.31 | Zorkman | is gonna check if there is a bug report on that one |
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| 19:33.21 | dolf1074 | to late, i'm trying again |
| 19:34.10 | Toaster` | arg, is there any way to get the extra illume config options on the 2008.8-update build? |
| 19:34.57 | sylar91 | ehi where are stored links of 2008.8 home menu? |
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| 19:35.43 | Zorkman | sylar91: /usr/share/applications/ every *.desktop file is an icon the home menu |
| 19:35.58 | sylar91 | ok thanks |
| 19:36.14 | sylar91 | I can't install pidgin... |
| 19:36.26 | Zorkman | sylar91: the "categories" tag only accepts certain values, so if you set them wrong, the icon will not be displayed |
| 19:36.31 | edistar | Zorkman: bugreport for altitude? |
| 19:36.43 | Zorkman | there was none, i'm writing one now |
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| 19:36.50 | edistar | it's not a bug |
| 19:36.53 | Zorkman | no? |
| 19:36.54 | sylar91 | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install pidgin |
| 19:36.55 | sylar91 | Installing pidgin (2.2.1-r0) to root... |
| 19:36.55 | sylar91 | Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/pidgin_2.2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 19:36.55 | sylar91 | Collected errors: |
| 19:36.55 | sylar91 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.01 | edistar | if you have <4 sats you can't get a reliable alt |
| 19:37.34 | Zorkman | edistar: but even with 11 sats I was sometimes @ 23m and sometimes @ 400+ m |
| 19:37.45 | Zorkman | it's always <30 or >400 it seems |
| 19:38.02 | Zorkman | anyway, maybe I am wrong and this indeed only happens when I have not enough sattelites |
| 19:38.13 | sylar91 | ehi why pidgin doesn't install' |
| 19:38.14 | sylar91 | ? |
| 19:38.18 | Zorkman | I will keep it in mind and re-check it before submitting the bug |
| 19:38.21 | edistar | Zorkman: oh, ok |
| 19:38.23 | Zorkman | sylar91: no idea |
| 19:38.30 | Zorkman | sylar91: try to get it from celtune |
| 19:38.35 | edistar | Zorkman: alt works here with enough sats |
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| 19:38.38 | sylar91 | what is celltune? |
| 19:38.41 | Tanuva | sylar91: not that I could help you, but an error message would be quite helpful I guess ;) |
| 19:39.01 | sylar91 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.05 | Zorkman | sylar91: it's another feed http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ it's on the wiki under "repositories" |
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| 19:40.55 | dolf1074 | i only have 6 sats, so I'm know it's not that acurate |
| 19:41.28 | dolf1074 | but my altitude isn't jumping, hoeray |
| 19:41.46 | edistar | 6 is ok |
| 19:41.54 | Zorkman | dolf1074: mine also doesn't "jump", but when i reboot FR and start gps, then there is a chanse I'm 400m lower or higher :) |
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| 19:43.44 | emdete | Zorkman: what does the accuracy say in that moment? 800m? |
| 19:43.45 | dolf1074 | yeah, youre home just felt into a big put |
| 19:44.21 | ap02 | how would the keyboard work when typing on top of a browser? can you distinguish between hyperlink clicks and cursor keys? |
| 19:44.28 | Zorkman | emdete: my HDOP is mostly <3 |
| 19:44.46 | Zorkman | ap02: click and hold for clicking in the browser |
| 19:44.55 | Zorkman | ap02: or popping down the keyboard |
| 19:45.05 | edistar | Zorkman: should be around 1 and 1.5 |
| 19:45.23 | Zorkman | haha dolf1074; because you said "put" i knew you spoke dutch, seems you're also belgian :) |
| 19:45.31 | dolf1074 | yep |
| 19:45.37 | Zorkman | edistar: it is when I'm outside and have 8+ sats |
| 19:45.57 | Zorkman | dolf1074: maybe you're the one digging that "put" then! :) |
| 19:46.54 | dolf1074 | damn, you caught me |
| 19:47.10 | dolf1074 | Where do I have to digg that hole? |
| 19:47.38 | Zorkman | chack tangogps, friend-option, i'm probably still on it :) |
| 19:47.42 | Zorkman | *check |
| 19:48.05 | Zorkman | I live near Aalst, but I'm moving with my gf in a new appartment soon in Ghent |
| 19:48.39 | Zorkman | dolf1074: you live in West-Flanders |
| 19:49.06 | dolf1074 | why do you think? |
| 19:49.33 | Zorkman | you're ip seems to come from Bruge |
| 19:49.41 | dolf1074 | I see someone in Aalst :p |
| 19:49.51 | Zorkman | :) that's me :) |
| 19:49.55 | dolf1074 | okay, you're going the nerdy way :p |
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| 19:50.01 | Zorkman | click on it and you should see my nick |
| 19:50.22 | dolf1074 | Zorkman, hmmm, that's sound similar |
| 19:50.32 | edistar | I have beer from brugge |
| 19:50.34 | Zorkman | dolf1074: you're checking tangogps- friends on a small protable opensource phone, that is a lot less nerd ;-) |
| 19:50.54 | dolf1074 | hmmm, so? |
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| 19:51.15 | dolf1074 | Can i help my phone can do that |
| 19:51.15 | Zorkman | edistar: brugse tripel? |
| 19:51.23 | lloyd_fedora | is this already available ?? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today |
| 19:51.42 | Zorkman | lloyd_fedora: this is something from the stone-age.. |
| 19:51.50 | dolf1074 | that was the first software, that is never is released |
| 19:51.51 | edistar | Zorkman: yeah |
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| 19:52.14 | edistar | lloyd_fedora: that's 2007.1, really old stuff |
| 19:52.16 | dolf1074 | because it wasn't that finger and stylus friendly and it was a little hard to discover how it worked |
| 19:52.25 | edistar | it was rubbish :) |
| 19:53.15 | CVirus | those mochups look really good anyways |
| 19:53.26 | CVirus | mochkups* |
| 19:53.31 | CVirus | mockups* |
| 19:53.45 | lloyd_fedora | first time ive come accross that page |
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| 19:58.12 | lloyd_fedora | is there an alternative to the matchbox keyboard ?? |
| 19:58.44 | Zorkman | there is |
| 19:58.51 | Zorkman | i added it to the wiki yesterday |
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| 19:59.24 | lloyd_fedora | Zorkman: did u make it ? |
| 19:59.31 | Zorkman | nope |
| 19:59.32 | dolf1074 | small question: does the freerunner has to be out of suspend before it charge itself? |
| 20:00.20 | Zorkman | lloyd_fedora: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards_on_Om_2007.2#Modified_Matchbox_Keyboard:_finger_friendly |
| 20:00.48 | Zorkman | it's the best i've found so far for 2007.2 |
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| 20:01.01 | lloyd_fedora | Zorkman: thanks .. this looks slick |
| 20:01.18 | blubs | anybody knows another phone software for debian than zhone does anybody use fluxbox here with openmok ? |
| 20:01.25 | mwester | dolf1074: It will trickle-charge some small amount while suspended, and it will fast-charge if it was fast-charging when it entered suspend -- but there will be no indication of this. |
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| 20:02.23 | dolf1074 | So just put it onto charger just before it goes into suspend, will keep it charching? |
| 20:02.36 | mwester | Usually |
| 20:02.39 | edistar | Zorkman: will you try and get that keyboard programmed? by someone? |
| 20:02.44 | dolf1074 | And will it then stop when the battery is full? |
| 20:02.58 | edistar | dolf1074: yes, it'll stop |
| 20:02.59 | mwester | Yes, it will *always* stop when full |
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| 20:03.13 | dolf1074 | i though it, but you never now |
| 20:03.29 | dolf1074 | normally supend should also always wakeup when you need it |
| 20:03.51 | mwester | hehe! |
| 20:05.47 | Zorkman | edistar: I'm trying to raise some support for it on the ML, maybe you could also reply that you like the idea |
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| 20:05.52 | tomcatek | is there some diffrences between installing keyboards in Om2007 and Om2008? |
| 20:06.04 | sylar91 | ehi it is possible to have msn on pidgin? |
| 20:06.13 | Zorkman | sylar91: yes, it works |
| 20:06.14 | sylar91 | because there isn't in pidgin I installed |
| 20:06.19 | edistar | Zorkman: okey, I'll try to remember |
| 20:06.23 | sylar91 | no there are only xmpp/gtalk/irc |
| 20:06.44 | edistar | problem is that devs usually invest most of their time in their own ideas |
| 20:08.03 | sylar91 | ehi zorkamn...how can I add msn to pidgin? by default it has only xmpp/gtalk and irc |
| 20:08.07 | Zorkman | edistar: i know, it will most likely not be done by the devs; it will need the skills of the community |
| 20:08.26 | edistar | Zorkman: yeah, I also mean community devs |
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| 20:09.22 | Zorkman | sylar91: it is also in the celtune repository, search for "msn" it's a libpurple protocol or something like that (if i remmeber correctly) |
| 20:10.13 | Zorkman | sylar91: libpurple-protocol-msn |
| 20:10.41 | Zorkman | (it's also in the angstrom feeds i think) |
| 20:10.42 | sylar91 | thx a lot |
| 20:10.42 | sylar91 | XD |
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| 20:14.55 | brian_252 | johngay: Did the same thing wrt. Pay as you go SIM |
| 20:15.09 | brian_252 | johngay: Does yours work? |
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| 20:23.57 | lloyd_fedora | Zorkman: this compressed keyboard is real nice .. r u using it ? |
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| 20:24.46 | Zorkman | lloyd_fedora: I use it on 2007.2 yes |
| 20:25.28 | Zorkman | I can use it withouth stylus and it has everything i need |
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| 20:25.48 | Zorkman | only the transparant keybaoard will be able to defeat it :D |
| 20:25.58 | edistar | :D |
| 20:26.11 | edistar | belgisch produkt ;) |
| 20:26.17 | Zorkman | lol |
| 20:26.18 | lloyd_fedora | Zorkman: cool .. yeah i really like it |
| 20:26.25 | soltys | what transparent keyboard ? |
| 20:26.32 | Zorkman | http://wendt.se/software/openmoko/screens/keyboard-layer.png |
| 20:27.38 | soltys | not bad good alternative for predictive kayboard ;] |
| 20:27.48 | Wonka | "compressed keyboard"? |
| 20:28.15 | Zorkman | soltys: not bad? it will blow you out of your shoes! ;-) |
| 20:28.25 | lloyd_fedora | Zorkman: is that for 2008 ? |
| 20:28.37 | Zorkman | lloyd_fedora: somebody has to program it first :( |
| 20:28.48 | Zorkman | Wonka: he means http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards_on_Om_2007.2#Modified_Matchbox_Keyboard:_finger_friendly |
| 20:29.13 | Zorkman | I'm feeling like a marketing bureau :) |
| 20:29.47 | lloyd_fedora | lol |
| 20:30.13 | Zorkman | i've got the feeling openmoko is losing a little bit of momentum lately :( |
| 20:30.34 | Zorkman | i hope it's just a feeling... |
| 20:30.47 | lloyd_fedora | Zorkman:i hope so too |
| 20:31.11 | Zorkman | i'm putting my money on FSO to make it easier for everyone to get involved and make the phone more stable |
| 20:31.39 | Wonka | Zorkman: ah, looks very nice |
| 20:31.41 | edistar | yeah |
| 20:31.51 | edistar | Zorkman: but fso is not fun with C or C++ |
| 20:31.55 | edistar | dbus |
| 20:33.02 | Wiedi | edistar, there is libframeworkd-glib (but i've never used it) |
| 20:33.36 | edistar | Wiedi: that's by a SHR guy, right? |
| 20:33.47 | Wiedi | yep |
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| 20:34.04 | edistar | I heard about that, really good work |
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| 20:38.28 | Kiantis | I still have problems with bluetooth keyboard. Actually, what i'm wondering now, is that some information on the wiki are not correct. |
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| 20:41.36 | edistar | Zorkman: sent the mail to ml yet? |
| 20:42.18 | Zorkman | The mail was already sent, by the guy who made the mockup http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/028831.html |
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| 20:44.40 | edistar | Zorkman: I'd start a new thread.. |
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| 20:44.50 | b0ib0t | w00t |
| 20:45.09 | b0ib0t | i just bought a bran new 08 Nissan 350z touring today =D |
| 20:45.14 | b0ib0t | 308hp to the rear wheels |
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| 20:45.43 | Zorkman | b0ib0t1: but has it a usable keyboard and reliable suspend/resume? |
| 20:45.57 | b0ib0t | i have no idea, but it does have bluetooth |
| 20:46.00 | b0ib0t | ;] |
| 20:46.19 | b0ib0t | openmokos still arent here =/ thursday is the day for that |
| 20:46.28 | b0ib0t | i just wanted a new car to go along with the new phones |
| 20:46.41 | b0ib0t | you know how it goes |
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| 20:47.08 | Tig| | b0ib0t I hope your new car gives you less hassle than your new phone will :) |
| 20:48.09 | phrozen77 | :) |
| 20:48.38 | Tig| | hey phrozen77 did you get your pin dialog issues sorted? |
| 20:48.46 | b0ib0t | lmao |
| 20:48.50 | b0ib0t | ty tig |
| 20:49.03 | Tig| | b0ib0t :) |
| 20:49.15 | phrozen77 | Tig|, sort of, i found a page on the wiki that had infos about a prog that was supposed to do it but didnt.. in the end i just rebooted it |
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| 20:49.35 | Tig| | did you see the bug report link I posted? |
| 20:49.39 | edistar | hi bumbl |
| 20:49.49 | phrozen77 | yes |
| 20:49.59 | bumbl | hi |
| 20:50.00 | Tig| | no use then :( |
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| 20:51.49 | sledgeas | hi |
| 20:51.58 | Zorkman | b0ib0t: you talk in plural, how many Fr did you order? |
| 20:52.07 | sledgeas | how do i convert tar.gz rootfs to a jffs2 rootfs? |
| 20:52.20 | edistar | sledgeas: why would you? |
| 20:53.04 | sledgeas | i downloaded tar.gz |
| 20:53.04 | sledgeas | got no time to townload jffs2 |
| 20:53.04 | cjb | sledgeas: unpack it, and mkfs.jffs2 dir/ |
| 20:53.04 | cjb | but if I were you, I would re-download |
| 20:53.06 | sledgeas | hmmm |
| 20:53.07 | Zorkman | (even better to download jffs2.summary) |
| 20:53.12 | sledgeas | pity |
| 20:53.26 | sledgeas | should i still give it a try? |
| 20:53.36 | admiral0 | night guys, i'm going to sleep |
| 20:53.41 | Zorkman | night |
| 20:53.44 | edistar | sledgeas: no, won't work |
| 20:53.58 | sledgeas | darn :):) |
| 20:54.05 | edistar | you could make a jffs2 partition, mounted as a file |
| 20:54.11 | edistar | and extract the data there |
| 20:54.18 | edistar | then flash that file |
| 20:54.26 | edistar | but that's quite a lot of trouble |
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| 20:56.53 | Moo-- | I am trying to install debian to fr |
| 20:56.58 | Moo-- | I: Can't find keyring debian-archive-keyring.gpg |
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| 21:20.05 | reneka | where can i find out my sw version? |
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| 21:30.05 | johngay | So whats the best repository to point to for keeping 2007.2 up to date? |
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| 21:33.32 | johngay | I'm currently fetching from buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/ but many things seem to be broken there )-= |
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| 21:49.08 | sledgeas | hello |
| 21:49.36 | edistar | hi |
| 21:50.05 | Zorkman | hi |
| 21:50.13 | edistar | how's the weather in belgium? |
| 21:50.16 | sledgeas | i have received my jolly openmoko yesterday. yay |
| 21:50.20 | dolf1074 | Im getting the following error when running mofi on 2007.2: ImportError: No module named cairo |
| 21:50.20 | edistar | cool |
| 21:50.28 | edistar | dolf1074: install it then |
| 21:50.30 | Zorkman | hot :( |
| 21:50.32 | dolf1074 | which packet I miss? |
| 21:50.41 | edistar | dolf1074: opkg list | grep cairo |
| 21:50.44 | dolf1074 | smart |
| 21:50.54 | edistar | dolf1074: libcairo I guess |
| 21:51.13 | dolf1074 | I will go for python-pycairo |
| 21:51.23 | edistar | should be right, yes |
| 21:51.24 | sledgeas | buy after flashing (in order: kernel, rootfs, u-boot -- everything from http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/) and power on, i get this: Wrong image format for bootm command//ERROR: can't get kernel image! help :) |
| 21:51.53 | Zorkman | sledgeas: reflash kernel :) |
| 21:52.06 | sledgeas | did that.. |
| 21:52.09 | dolf1074 | Did you rename the kernel to uImage.bin? |
| 21:52.13 | sledgeas | no |
| 21:52.20 | sledgeas | no difference aye? |
| 21:52.34 | sledgeas | :) (bump :D) |
| 21:52.40 | Zorkman | sledgeas: you booting from SD or from internal flash? |
| 21:52.49 | dolf1074 | i think sd |
| 21:53.06 | edistar | then you didn't flash but copy to sd |
| 21:53.15 | sledgeas | internal |
| 21:53.30 | sledgeas | i overwrite the old Om2007 |
| 21:53.31 | Zorkman | in that case you don't need to rename kernel |
| 21:53.31 | dolf1074 | ok, flash |
| 21:53.35 | sledgeas | ok |
| 21:53.36 | sledgeas | i did |
| 21:53.36 | Zorkman | did you follow the method on the wiki sledgeas? |
| 21:53.37 | sledgeas | :):) |
| 21:53.40 | sledgeas | yes |
| 21:53.42 | dolf1074 | sorry, my fault |
| 21:54.04 | sledgeas | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_Openmoko |
| 21:54.59 | Zorkman | sledgeas: you sure you used the gta02 u-boot? |
| 21:55.32 | sledgeas | guys did i have to replug usb after every flashing?(ie after Resetting usb switch back to runtime mode) ? |
| 21:55.41 | edistar | sledgeas: no |
| 21:55.41 | sledgeas | Zorkman: sure as a devil himself :) |
| 21:55.41 | dolf1074 | no |
| 21:55.49 | Zorkman | :) |
| 21:55.58 | sledgeas | edistar: dolf1074: ok , i didnt :p :) |
| 21:56.10 | edistar | sledgeas: doesn't matter if you did, it's just not needed |
| 21:56.16 | sledgeas | yup |
| 21:56.23 | sledgeas | in case it was needed.. :):) |
| 21:56.50 | Zorkman | you could try flashing this kernel : http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing-om-gta02-20080831.uImage.bin |
| 21:57.05 | sledgeas | on my way, Zorkman |
| 21:57.06 | edistar | sledgeas: can you tell us the exact error? |
| 21:57.34 | edistar | did you flash to the right dfu device? ;) |
| 21:57.55 | Zorkman | lol @ edistar |
| 21:58.06 | sledgeas | :) |
| 21:58.15 | edistar | zo veel lol heb je dan niet meer, als het je adsl modem was |
| 21:58.30 | dolf1074 | da zeker nie |
| 21:58.34 | sledgeas | yea well, i did not ask dfu -l though it was only open moko and mouse connected |
| 21:58.43 | edistar | okey, won't have gone wrong |
| 21:58.49 | sledgeas | i dont know, seems to me that my mouse started responding to the stylus though :D |
| 21:58.58 | edistar | :P |
| 21:59.02 | sledgeas | ermm |
| 21:59.08 | edistar | it's jealous ;) |
| 21:59.13 | sledgeas | oh sure it is |
| 21:59.21 | sledgeas | it wont be touched that much more in the fututre :) |
| 21:59.37 | sledgeas | though now if i want to see that error, i have to boot into the AUX+POWER menu (NOR) |
| 21:59.52 | sledgeas | if i simply press power, openmoko logo shows, and stays forever until i replug the bateries |
| 21:59.52 | edistar | hm? NAND does not work anymore? |
| 21:59.59 | edistar | press power + AUX |
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| 22:00.10 | edistar | then you get the NAND boot menu |
| 22:00.11 | sledgeas | NAND was working right once after i flashed it |
| 22:00.16 | sledgeas | ok i try |
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| 22:00.34 | Zorkman | kdean, the review-master! |
| 22:00.35 | mmontour | sledgeas: sounds like an error loading the kernel. If you see the splashscreen then u-boot itself is OK |
| 22:00.46 | sledgeas | k |
| 22:00.54 | sledgeas | trying power->aux method |
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| 22:01.51 | sledgeas | with NOR and NAND (kernel 20080826) the error is: 2097152 bytes read:OK Wrong image format for bootm command ERROR: can't get kernel image! |
| 22:01.57 | *** part/#openmoko alphabeat (n=nick@123-243-190-207.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 22:02.20 | sledgeas | trying reflashing with 20080831 kernel... |
| 22:02.40 | dolf1074 | you did flash the kernel to the kernel and the rootfs to the rootfs and not vice versa? |
| 22:02.47 | edistar | haha |
| 22:02.52 | sledgeas | :) not vice versa |
| 22:04.28 | sledgeas | should i have flashed u-boot first and then booting fron that new NAND to flash everything else? |
| 22:04.38 | dolf1074 | btw. I have now install libcairo2 and python-pycairo and I keep getting the 'no module named cairo' error and there are no packages left to try in the opkg list | grep cairo |
| 22:04.44 | dolf1074 | somebody has ideas? |
| 22:05.03 | *** part/#openmoko kdean06 (n=Kevin@fsf/member/kdean06) |
| 22:05.18 | edistar | sledgeas: try to flash a new uboot |
| 22:05.19 | Zorkman | dolf1074: somebody should shoot that stupid cairo, together with that __init__ stuff |
| 22:05.20 | dolf1074 | sledgeas: what you flash first, doesn't matter |
| 22:05.35 | edistar | Zorkman: lol |
| 22:05.38 | sledgeas | edistar: i have flashed the newest uboot from the very beginning |
| 22:05.45 | sledgeas | (NAND is now Aug 26, 2008) |
| 22:05.57 | edistar | oh |
| 22:06.08 | dolf1074 | Zorkman: that __init__ stuff was easy, just some typo of a fool that don't try the package, if he changes a package |
| 22:06.25 | sledgeas | hmmm |
| 22:06.43 | sledgeas | now after Resetting to runtime mode NAND just stays there not powering off |
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| 22:06.49 | edistar | sledgeas: try to flash a known good kernel |
| 22:06.50 | dolf1074 | Zorkman: But shooting at my FreeRunner will not help ;) |
| 22:06.51 | sledgeas | i'll have to tuse the battery method again :) |
| 22:07.04 | edistar | sledgeas: which boot menus do you have? |
| 22:07.08 | sledgeas | i just flashed yesterdays's kenrnel, stand by for updates :) |
| 22:07.10 | sledgeas | NAND now |
| 22:07.20 | Zorkman | dolf1074: i know it is easy, but i'm tired of always fixing it after reflashing :) |
| 22:07.31 | edistar | which entriess? |
| 22:07.32 | edistar | -s |
| 22:07.37 | sledgeas | ok guys it works |
| 22:07.38 | sledgeas | ! |
| 22:07.42 | edistar | nice |
| 22:07.49 | Zorkman | congratz |
| 22:07.52 | sledgeas | so, you should indicate, that this combination is no-good:http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ |
| 22:08.11 | sledgeas | new rootfs and a 5-day-older kernel |
| 22:08.13 | edistar | I guess the kernel is broken or something |
| 22:08.19 | sledgeas | yup, that out there |
| 22:08.26 | Zorkman | sledgeas: I think just made a mistake or something went wrong, because i also flashed those images a few days ago and they worked |
| 22:08.28 | sledgeas | lovely booting boots lol |
| 22:08.35 | dolf1074 | I did use them 2 days ago and them they worked, so the build machine is broken or something like that |
| 22:08.38 | sledgeas | hmmm |
| 22:08.47 | sledgeas | i relfashed that Aug 26th kernelr two times |
| 22:08.53 | Zorkman | sledgeas: ah, but they updated the u-boot and kernel on that page |
| 22:08.55 | sledgeas | and now it was just enough to up that testing kernel |
| 22:09.16 | sledgeas | well, on that page both kernel and uboot are of Aug 26th |
| 22:09.19 | sledgeas | (versions) |
| 22:09.25 | sledgeas | only rootfs is completely brand new |
| 22:09.29 | edistar | sledgeas: nand flash blocks sometimes go wrong |
| 22:09.32 | sledgeas | (dam ASU is quite slow you know :)) |
| 22:09.36 | sledgeas | ow |
| 22:09.40 | dolf1074 | yeah, that because there was an update on the 29 |
| 22:09.53 | edistar | so you have to rewrite several times so that they get reversed |
| 22:10.04 | sledgeas | riiite |
| 22:10.06 | sledgeas | %) |
| 22:10.18 | edistar | ? |
| 22:10.49 | *** part/#openmoko |FiLiP| (n=Filip@213.219.146.26.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net) |
| 22:11.02 | dolf1074 | found my problem: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td729990 |
| 22:11.24 | sledgeas | edistar: i mean, ok, i got that ;) |
| 22:11.49 | sledgeas | does it mean that when i scp something to my moko, i'd have to overwrite it several times? :) |
| 22:12.10 | edistar | no |
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| 22:12.37 | edistar | very rare, the fs should evade bad blocks by itself |
| 22:12.46 | sledgeas | k |
| 22:12.51 | Zorkman | the FR is a bad block by itself :) |
| 22:12.56 | edistar | lol |
| 22:13.08 | sledgeas | guys, what does it mean when AUX's red led is flashing? i have just pressed on Locations on the Om2008.8 and the screen shut off |
| 22:13.18 | sledgeas | after pressing power the red led started to blinking and that's it |
| 22:13.25 | edistar | kernel panic! |
| 22:13.31 | sledgeas | lol |
| 22:13.36 | edistar | yes |
| 22:13.50 | dolf1074 | problem with the flashing of your rootfs |
| 22:13.56 | sledgeas | ok,... |
| 22:13.58 | sledgeas | ahh |
| 22:14.08 | sledgeas | well, i'll just have to reflash it |
| 22:14.18 | sledgeas | hmm i hope i did not get a defected NAND... |
| 22:14.19 | edistar | sounds like you have to ask emdete how he fixed his bad blocks |
| 22:14.36 | edistar | sledgeas: NAND always deteriorates |
| 22:14.40 | edistar | emdete: ping |
| 22:14.57 | sledgeas | edistar: so I'd just have to go the SD-card way then? |
| 22:15.02 | edistar | no |
| 22:15.09 | edistar | you should be able to fix it |
| 22:15.16 | edistar | don't worry yet |
| 22:15.35 | sledgeas | t:) lol ok, i hope its not like HDD's bad sectors 8) |
| 22:15.43 | edistar | it is :P |
| 22:15.49 | sledgeas | :):) |
| 22:15.57 | edistar | but the fs ignores those blocks |
| 22:16.03 | edistar | like with the old fdds |
| 22:16.04 | sledgeas | yea, in the sense of irreversibility (irrepairibility) |
| 22:16.22 | edistar | oh, yeah |
| 22:16.25 | sledgeas | yea, but if i have some like 50% of bads |
| 22:16.40 | edistar | don't think so, then it wouldn't even boot |
| 22:16.42 | sledgeas | soudns like, kernel messed up, root fs messing |
| 22:16.51 | sledgeas | ok, let's give it a 20% :) |
| 22:16.55 | edistar | heh |
| 22:17.04 | edistar | well.. 80% is still quite a lot |
| 22:17.22 | sledgeas | (saaaaaay, the ASU now (the 2nd time ever) booted like 5 times faster!) |
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| 22:17.28 | sledgeas | :) |
| 22:17.29 | edistar | not bad |
| 22:17.46 | sledgeas | prolly it was initiating some /root homedir .. |
| 22:17.49 | sledgeas | for the first time |
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| 22:18.13 | sledgeas | or /users |
| 22:18.19 | Anon700 | g |
| 22:18.20 | igor321 | how fast is "five times faster"? |
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| 22:18.29 | sledgeas | approx |
| 22:18.32 | Anon700 | the same |
| 22:18.38 | Zorkman | it is a known fact that second boot is faster, but five times is an overstatement :) |
| 22:18.53 | sledgeas | the booting window just went through, that's compared to the first-ever boot which took minutes |
| 22:19.08 | edistar | wow, much faster than on mine |
| 22:19.21 | Anon700 | why did i get kicked out |
| 22:19.34 | edistar | kicked out? |
| 22:19.42 | Anon700 | yea |
| 22:19.45 | *** join/#openmoko anno^da_ (n=anno^da@p5B07EA4C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:20.00 | Anon700 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.11 | edistar | who kicked you out when? |
| 22:20.26 | Anon700 | bateau |
| 22:20.42 | edistar | where? |
| 22:20.44 | edistar | here? |
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| 22:20.57 | Anon700 | and i can see me in private chat |
| 22:21.12 | Anon700 | he hacked in to my computer i think |
| 22:21.19 | sledgeas | ok guys, i will contact emdete later on |
| 22:21.24 | Zorkman | I think Dave did it Anon700 |
| 22:21.28 | sledgeas | btw, locations worked ok this time |
| 22:21.45 | sledgeas | (just gave up with 'couldnt get the fix' after a minute of trying :)) |
| 22:21.47 | Anon700 | not here |
| 22:21.58 | Anon700 | on the other chat |
| 22:22.05 | Zorkman | sledgeas: try it with openmoko-agpsui for the first time, give more info |
| 22:22.15 | Anon700 | ive been trying to get in for 10 mins |
| 22:22.20 | edistar | Anon700: where? other chat isn't that helpful |
| 22:22.35 | sledgeas | ok, i will, goodnight everybody, thanks huge! i love moko :) |
| 22:22.37 | johngay | So whats the best repository to point to for keeping 2007.2 up to date? |
| 22:22.41 | sledgeas | how about: he hacked into your openmoko :) , Anon700 |
| 22:22.42 | Zorkman | night sledgeas |
| 22:22.44 | edistar | sledgeas: good night! |
| 22:22.44 | Anon700 | ok on the menu of chat the middle page |
| 22:22.55 | Anon700 | not the java one |
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| 22:23.49 | Zorkman | sledgeas: try it with openmoko-agpsui for the first time, give more info about what page you mean |
| 22:24.04 | edistar | when will openmoko-agpsui be OSS? |
| 22:24.11 | Zorkman | we have no idea what you are talking about Anon700 :) it seems you connec to IRC through a webbrowser |
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| 22:25.20 | Anon700 | click on chat |
| 22:25.31 | edistar | Anon700: where do you klick? |
| 22:25.35 | Anon700 | u have 3 options |
| 22:25.40 | Zorkman | Anon700: give is the url of the webpage |
| 22:25.41 | Anon700 | 123 |
| 22:25.49 | edistar | ^^ |
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| 22:25.53 | Zorkman | we don't use a browser to connect to IRC |
| 22:25.59 | johngay | Anyone good with 2007.2? |
| 22:26.09 | edistar | okey, now we know |
| 22:26.50 | Zorkman | "wrongplanet forever" :) |
| 22:26.51 | Zorkman | lol |
| 22:27.08 | edistar | strange people here |
| 22:27.29 | Zorkman | FR makes you go funny in the head |
| 22:27.44 | edistar | :) |
| 22:27.51 | johngay | No, you gotta be funny in the head to buy a FreeRunner. |
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| 22:28.08 | edistar | gotta be a little bit belgian :P |
| 22:28.31 | johngay | Hey! We'll have none of that language here! |
| 22:28.39 | Zorkman | :D |
| 22:28.57 | edistar | Zorky knows it's just an insider ;) |
| 22:29.29 | Zorkman | indeed, if one can't laugh with Belgiums, where would the world go to? |
| 22:29.47 | edistar | they'd start with dutch people |
| 22:30.03 | Zorkman | neih, too easy ;-) |
| 22:30.21 | dolf1074 | don't laugh with belgiums |
| 22:30.32 | edistar | not with, about ;) |
| 22:30.49 | dolf1074 | if it isn't me, than i'm okay |
| 22:31.12 | edistar | was just a joke, I know many belgians who are much better than dutch people ;) |
| 22:31.21 | johngay | Don't know if I want to associate with such loose-tongued people who would use such a vulgar word with such reckless abandon. |
| 22:31.28 | Mononoke | meh anytime I look at this channel Zorkman or Dave is alive... or both :/ |
| 22:31.45 | edistar | Mononoke: better than dead |
| 22:32.00 | edistar | johngay: heh, you needn't associate |
| 22:32.28 | johngay | Then were will I go for all my problems? Gag Halfront is too busy. |
| 22:33.20 | Zorkman | Mononoke: are we working on your nerves? |
| 22:34.02 | Mononoke | Zorkman: wat? |
| 22:34.14 | Zorkman | if I/Dave annoy you |
| 22:34.37 | Mononoke | no, not at all |
| 22:34.44 | Zorkman | ah, ok |
| 22:34.56 | dolf1074 | he's just asking if you also have a normal life |
| 22:35.09 | Zorkman | at this moment i'm still studying for my lawt exam |
| 22:35.14 | Zorkman | and have to work on a project |
| 22:35.21 | dolf1074 | same problems |
| 22:35.29 | Zorkman | so I'm constantly near computer and this is more interesting :) |
| 22:36.38 | Zorkman | anyway, i'm gonna hit the sack, goodnight all |
| 22:36.48 | johngay | Nite, Zork |
| 22:37.08 | johngay | Guess I'll ask about 2007.2 later? |
| 22:37.10 | edistar | normal life? yeah, irc, emacs, what more is there? |
| 22:37.24 | dolf1074 | nothing |
| 22:37.29 | Mononoke | emacs /o\ get away with strange operating systems |
| 22:37.33 | dolf1074 | oh, there is plenty more |
| 22:37.38 | edistar | Zorkman: gn8 |
| 22:37.52 | dolf1074 | and it is all defined as one word: FreeRunner |
| 22:38.59 | dolf1074 | what's your problem with 2007.2? |
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| 22:42.39 | niklauz | what do you guys use to translate languages in firefox? |
| 22:42.49 | niklauz | doesn't speak german |
| 22:43.01 | dolf1074 | translate.google.com? |
| 22:43.23 | niklauz | aren't there any snazzy in-browser plugins? |
| 22:43.41 | dolf1074 | not that i know |
| 22:43.54 | dolf1074 | maybe the google toolbar (i'm just guessing) |
| 22:46.05 | edistar | googlized society |
| 22:46.58 | niklauz | idk what you are talking about so i googled it |
| 22:47.17 | dolf1074 | google knows it all |
| 22:48.21 | edistar | previously people disliked know-it-alls |
| 22:49.38 | edistar | but google is really polite ;) |
| 22:49.43 | dolf1074 | the human race is evolved |
| 22:50.38 | niklauz | anyone wanna comment on the weirdness of intel's acquisition of OpenHanded? |
| 22:51.12 | edistar | good deal |
| 22:51.17 | edistar | for intel |
| 22:52.07 | CVirus | wtf ? |
| 22:54.35 | niklauz | CVirus: you hadn't heard? |
| 22:54.40 | CVirus | just now |
| 22:55.45 | CVirus | is openedhand related to OM in anyway ? |
| 22:55.50 | edistar | yes |
| 22:56.02 | edistar | OH designed the 2007.2 interface |
| 22:56.07 | niklauz | ya http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/31/0123234 |
| 22:56.50 | nyu | niklauz: scary |
| 22:57.08 | edistar | nyu: why? |
| 22:57.17 | nyu | it's curious, I was thinking FR is similar in many ways to OLPC |
| 22:57.29 | nyu | except MS & Intel didn't come in to jeopardize it |
| 22:57.56 | niklauz | don't they also act as a source repository for many applications targeted to handsets? |
| 22:58.07 | nyu | I'm not impliing anything, but it sounds scary |
| 22:58.19 | niklauz | the article says that the OH developers will be tasked to work on moblin |
| 22:58.21 | edistar | it's the usual case |
| 22:58.31 | edistar | small good companies swallowed by big ones |
| 22:58.33 | nyu | I guess time will tell :-) |
| 22:58.46 | edistar | OH work is over for OM anyway |
| 22:59.17 | edistar | 2007.2 didn't turn out to be good in the end |
| 22:59.30 | niklauz | edistar: at one time they were supplying lots of the apps: matchbox, etc |
| 22:59.36 | edistar | yes |
| 22:59.55 | edistar | matchbox was coded by OH |
| 23:00.00 | edistar | good piece of work btw |
| 23:00.22 | niklauz | iirc early OM work used OH as (more or less) a base distro, no? |
| 23:00.27 | edistar | no |
| 23:00.29 | edistar | that was OE |
| 23:00.36 | niklauz | aaahhhh! |
| 23:00.57 | niklauz | i thought i was mixing something up |
| 23:00.58 | edistar | the word open does limit possibilities ;) |
| 23:01.58 | niklauz | i haven't enjoyed old E since i was old enough to drink ;) |
| 23:02.25 | edistar | ;) |
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| 23:03.00 | Torikun | Help! My battery is dead! what can i do |
| 23:03.15 | edistar | Torikun: take out the battery, wait for 30 minutes |
| 23:03.19 | edistar | then put it back in |
| 23:03.28 | Torikun | that's it? |
| 23:03.32 | edistar | and then take the wall charger |
| 23:03.36 | edistar | and switch it on |
| 23:03.47 | Torikun | ah ty I will try now |
| 23:03.52 | edistar | I had that |
| 23:03.55 | mjr | 30 min might be overkill... |
| 23:03.59 | edistar | I had to wait for about 2h though ;) |
| 23:04.07 | mjr | but the good thing about overkill is IT WORKS |
| 23:04.19 | Torikun | lol |
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| 23:04.34 | niklauz | it's possible intel will kill arm ports of the OH stuff |
| 23:05.17 | niklauz | while they were working on the ubuntu Mobile project they put 100% resources into intel side and didn't even support arm ports |
| 23:06.06 | edistar | course |
| 23:06.15 | edistar | what else do you think intel wants? |
| 23:06.43 | niklauz | considering the supposed objective of UME it's odd to completely ignore everything else but intel |
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| 23:07.15 | nyu | niklauz: intel doesn't do arm? |
| 23:07.19 | nyu | only i386? |
| 23:07.31 | edistar | nyu: yes, they have forced x86 for many years nwo |
| 23:07.33 | edistar | now |
| 23:08.01 | nyu | they seem to love carriing legacy bags a lot |
| 23:08.02 | edistar | even though it might not be the best technological solution |
| 23:08.05 | niklauz | edistar: just expressing my opinion that it will probably mean a net-loss for the arm-based community |
| 23:08.10 | edistar | niklauz: yes |
| 23:08.13 | nyu | even when they designed efi, they put legacy stuff here and there |
| 23:08.22 | edistar | nyu: legacy is not much work, maybe 5% of the total work |
| 23:08.47 | nyu | edistar: it eats physical space, power, and boot time |
| 23:08.58 | edistar | maybe, yes |
| 23:09.04 | edistar | but not much |
| 23:09.09 | nyu | edistar: and most importantly processing time due to lack of registers |
| 23:09.12 | niklauz | it's just a shame, OH was non-partisan, in a sense, but now that is changed |
| 23:09.18 | nyu | although amd64 sort of solves that |
| 23:09.46 | nyu | edistar: maybe it's not much, but we're carriing it since the early 80s |
| 23:09.54 | edistar | yeah |
| 23:09.54 | nyu | and for no reason at all (sigh) |
| 23:10.10 | edistar | OE is still good |
| 23:10.15 | edistar | and if all fails there is debian |
| 23:11.08 | KenYoung | Does the Atom processor still have all that ancient 8086 era segmentation register junk supported in hardware? |
| 23:11.22 | nyu | KenYoung: does it support booting from BIOS? |
| 23:11.48 | edistar | of course |
| 23:11.48 | niklauz | <opinion> isn't debian *already* a better option than OE </opinion> |
| 23:11.53 | edistar | niklauz: no |
| 23:12.01 | nyu | then it does |
| 23:12.02 | edistar | OE can build optimized distros |
| 23:12.24 | nyu | not that EFI is an improvement to that, just the same idiotic scheme with a newer instruction set |
| 23:12.31 | edistar | lol |
| 23:12.42 | nyu | 20 years from now we'll be whinning about the "ancient i386 era junk" |
| 23:12.42 | edistar | really looking forward to the future.. |
| 23:12.53 | nyu | and about FAT & PE |
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| 23:13.00 | edistar | heh |
| 23:13.01 | niklauz | edistar: could you explain a bit more why OE is better for OM/FR than debian, i've been wondering about this... |
| 23:13.26 | edistar | firstly the whole point is cross compiling |
| 23:13.37 | edistar | making images and packages that just work (tm) on devices |
| 23:13.47 | edistar | debian is rubbish at cross-compiling |
| 23:13.55 | edistar | hard to set up, hard to maintain |
| 23:14.00 | edistar | bitbake is just perfect |
| 23:14.03 | niklauz | wha!??! haha |
| 23:14.13 | niklauz | i've not heard that about debian before |
| 23:14.20 | edistar | really not? |
| 23:14.23 | nyu | debian is simply not concerned with cross-compiling |
| 23:14.36 | nyu | when I want to cross-compile something, I do it by hand |
| 23:14.48 | edistar | nyu: you don't want to do that all the time |
| 23:14.49 | niklauz | but it's supported on so many different archs... including arm |
| 23:15.10 | edistar | niklauz: that's something different.. the debian maintainers do that |
| 23:15.15 | nyu | edistar: no, just occasionally |
| 23:15.31 | KenYoung | I just don't understand why Intel thinks support for legacy x86 code will be a big plus in the mobile market. Very littler of that stuff can run on a hand-held device usefully without so UI re-work, and since you will have to recompile then, binary x86 compatibility isn't a big plus. |
| 23:15.31 | niklauz | edistar: i guess this is where my understanding fails |
| 23:15.58 | edistar | KenYoung: it's just that they have knowledge and patents for x86 |
| 23:16.40 | kgoetz | niklauz: debian tries to natively compile everything (tries, of course. some stuff has to be cross compiled) |
| 23:16.42 | niklauz | KenYoung: also they probably want the full toolchain advantages, to appeal to developers |
| 23:16.51 | edistar | niklauz: so that's why OE is much better in the end.. I really like debian (mobile, laptop, workstation, server :]) but it just is slightly slow and cumbersome for a phone |
| 23:17.32 | nyu | edistar: why is it slow? |
| 23:17.44 | edistar | nyu: not optimized as much as OE |
| 23:17.58 | niklauz | kgoetz: isn't that normal? |
| 23:17.59 | nyu | edistar: ah. well, you can recompile then |
| 23:18.36 | edistar | nyu: course, but you don't want to recompile all the packages |
| 23:18.36 | edistar | 1200 packages or so? |
| 23:18.36 | nyu | kgoetz: everything is natively compiled in the debian archive AFAIK |
| 23:18.41 | nyu | edistar: 15000 or so |
| 23:18.44 | edistar | nyu: even the arm stuff? I would hardly believe |
| 23:18.48 | kgoetz | nyu: i thought one or two of the 'embeded' archs were still cross compiled |
| 23:18.49 | edistar | nyu: hehe |
| 23:18.59 | kgoetz | could easily be wrong |
| 23:18.59 | nyu | edistar: for arm we use some thecus boxen |
| 23:19.16 | edistar | nyu: are you a debian guy? |
| 23:19.21 | nyu | kgoetz: cross-compile support may be there, but not used for official packages (except for boostrap) |
| 23:19.22 | kgoetz | afaik lenny has ~12,000 source packages (excluding contrib+non-free) |
| 23:19.30 | nyu | edistar: yes. although I don't work on the armel port |
| 23:19.35 | niklauz | edistar: i must say i still don't see a compelling advantage there, isn't cross/re-compiling an inevitable gateway to put most code of the device anyway regardless of OE or debian? |
| 23:19.48 | kgoetz | nyu: ah, ok. that explains why it was such a horror to set up and use |
| 23:19.50 | edistar | oh, so you obviously know everything much better :) |
| 23:20.06 | nyu | edistar: http://unstable.buildd.net/index-armel.html (scroll down) |
| 23:20.12 | edistar | niklauz: with OE you can update and patch much quicker |
| 23:20.20 | edistar | and you get images |
| 23:20.45 | nyu | kgoetz: sorry I don't follow |
| 23:21.09 | Dave | :) |
| 23:21.09 | niklauz | edistar: doesn't that come down to source control and compilation utilities? |
| 23:21.20 | edistar | niklauz: yes, of course |
| 23:21.24 | kgoetz | nyu: i tried to setup the cross compile toolchain on debian. i'm not overly leet, so i ended up failing :) |
| 23:21.27 | edistar | and that is just not set up for debian afaik |
| 23:21.48 | niklauz | edistar: so these tools are not available for debian? |
| 23:22.03 | zedstar_ | what i like about OE is being able to cross compile dependencies automatically just by specifying them in the bitbake recipe....i wouldnt want to do that by hand |
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| 23:22.10 | edistar | niklauz: well.. bitbake was specifically designed and programmed, so it must not have existed before |
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| 23:22.36 | niklauz | i'm not arguing for it's own sake, i really am confused by this |
| 23:22.40 | edistar | yeah |
| 23:22.50 | niklauz | can bitbake by used one debian though |
| 23:23.11 | nyu | kgoetz: I never tried myself. only setup cross-toolchains purely by hand |
| 23:23.22 | kgoetz | nyu: ah ok. |
| 23:23.27 | nyu | and yes, I do find that much easier |
| 23:23.38 | niklauz | the thing thats striking to me is with a young ambitious project wouldn't you want to go with the most free, most mainline base avaialble? |
| 23:23.42 | Dave | nooooooooooooors |
| 23:24.30 | edistar | niklauz: ask mickey|zzZZzz, he'll be able to tell you exactly why OE exists |
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| 23:24.57 | niklauz | edistar: :) aww... i don't really want to bug him for this |
| 23:25.00 | edistar | as one of the founders ;) |
| 23:25.15 | edistar | heh, he'll be glad to tell you |
| 23:25.17 | kgoetz | hehe. |
| 23:25.30 | niklauz | will he be mad for me asking? |
| 23:25.30 | mwester | suggests that things might be easier to understand when one notes that the freerunner is a device that is closer to desktop-class hardware than most things that OE builds for. |
| 23:25.39 | kgoetz | niklauz: i'm quite interested to (i'll happily accept a wiki page that explains it too) |
| 23:26.00 | niklauz | will he yell at me in a language i don't understand? |
| 23:26.23 | edistar | niklauz: maybe, try ;) |
| 23:26.27 | niklauz | lol |
| 23:26.32 | mwester | doesn't think he's ever observed mickey|zzZZzz yell, even on IRC... :) |
| 23:26.53 | Dave | sleep screaming? |
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| 23:27.05 | sohail | do the freerunners get hot? |
| 23:27.07 | mwester | Om might cause that, 'tis true |
| 23:27.18 | nyu | sohail: only if you load pron into them |
| 23:27.18 | mwester | sohail: warm, not usually hot. |
| 23:27.59 | sohail | mwester, warm when doing nothing? |
| 23:28.05 | sohail | nyu I think I'm safe then |
| 23:28.18 | SpeedEvil | slightly warm, yes. |
| 23:28.28 | mwester | It's often doing something when it should be doing nothing, I'm afraid -- it's part of the power management problem that's not yet completely solved. |
| 23:28.32 | SpeedEvil | Till someone finishes the CPU freq scaling work |
| 23:28.40 | SpeedEvil | That's half the problem. |
| 23:28.55 | edistar | mwester: you are an OE guy, right? |
| 23:29.06 | SpeedEvil | The other half is that the CPU can use about 20% or so of the current use clocked right down - and it doesn't do that. |
| 23:29.06 | mwester | Yes, I admit it. |
| 23:29.16 | niklauz | here is my point i'm wondering about-- isn't it more beneficial to customize a stable, well understood base with a fast and responsive community feedback loop, than reinvent a customized base in a much smaller, much less well understood niche community |
| 23:29.17 | SpeedEvil | The other half is that it needs to suspend right. |
| 23:29.20 | edistar | mwester: explain! :P |
| 23:29.31 | Dave | Weapons of telecommunication |
| 23:29.43 | sohail | so, when is the phone expected to be ready for consumers??? |
| 23:29.50 | SpeedEvil | And the other half is to teach all the applications to talk to all the other halves to properly implement power saving. |
| 23:29.52 | mwester | edistar: explain OE vs Debian? |
| 23:30.07 | niklauz | free software is all about the echoing reciprocal benefits, but that happens much faster with a common base |
| 23:30.11 | SpeedEvil | sohail: I'd be very, very surprised if it was in consumer-ready shape in 6 months |
| 23:30.29 | edistar | mwester: yeah, or ambition for OE |
| 23:30.30 | mwester | niklauz: most of the software being built by OE is from the debian repos. |
| 23:30.57 | sohail | SpeedEvil, I thought there is financial backing for this somewhere |
| 23:31.10 | edistar | mwester: only if you have time of course |
| 23:31.22 | mwester | OE is a software build environment; Debian is a distro. The two do not compete. In fact, it is possible, if someone were to modify the recipes correctly, to build Debian with OE. |
| 23:31.42 | mac2k | is oe simular to the gentoo way only a build host compiles the packages and not the own system? |
| 23:31.53 | mwester | OE has its roots in portage. |
| 23:32.05 | mwester | So it is very similar in concept to gentoo and such. |
| 23:32.16 | Dave | So, Mister Wester, what have you built lately? :) |
| 23:32.21 | Dave | Other than Qtopia, apparently. :p |
| 23:32.23 | niklauz | mwester: OE with debian seems ideal, no? |
| 23:32.49 | mwester | And OE iis designed for cross compilation environments. |
| 23:33.03 | Dave | OE vs Debian |
| 23:33.09 | Dave | They are rivals. |
| 23:33.14 | niklauz | haha |
| 23:33.20 | mwester | niklauz: For some of the OE devices, that might be true -- debian on the freerunner is practical because of the size of the freerunner. |
| 23:33.37 | Dave | Debian is like, pfft, we don't need no steenkin OpenEmbedded. |
| 23:33.40 | niklauz | size as in computing power? |
| 23:33.50 | Dave | size as in capacity |
| 23:33.59 | mwester | Dave: I build SlugOS, Unslung, and all the Om builds on OE. I keep my buildhost busy... |
| 23:34.00 | Dave | resources |
| 23:34.10 | Dave | Mwester, good shit |
| 23:34.18 | Dave | Mine auto rebuilds daily :) |
| 23:34.25 | Dave | (the entire OM tree) |
| 23:34.30 | niklauz | Dave: mwester: i see, it's an exciting possibility |
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| 23:34.44 | Dave | Beware, it is slowly becoming reality! |
| 23:34.44 | Dave | :o |
| 23:34.44 | kgoetz | will have to look at OE properly now - damn the lot of you, i'm interested :P |
| 23:34.53 | Dave | haw haw |
| 23:34.57 | edistar | :) |
| 23:35.06 | edistar | mwester: thanks for the insight |
| 23:35.08 | mwester | niklauz: Debian has some issues right now; it does not fit small devices without consoles as well as it could -- OE addresses those, so even if we build a "debian-clone" in OE, there would still be advantages. |
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| 23:35.29 | mwester | Not to mention the licensing aspects; Debian will not take just anything closed-source and add it to the Debian repo. |
| 23:35.41 | mwester | I think we may have some OM components that are closed-source. |
| 23:35.51 | mwester | (do we upload firmware to the wifi?) |
| 23:36.01 | edistar | up to now, yes |
| 23:36.20 | kgoetz | what is the wifi? *cant remembber* |
| 23:36.30 | edistar | atheros |
| 23:36.35 | kgoetz | cool |
| 23:36.56 | niklauz | a starting image could be resynched to debian every six month, and then people could add debian repos and customize as they like |
| 23:37.01 | niklauz | sound familiar ;) |
| 23:37.04 | mwester | That's been a problem for another device; the NSLU2 has a Debian port, but you can't just run a Debian/ARM kernel on the device (you have to get it elsewhere) because of the licensing restrictions on the Intel firmware for the NIC. |
| 23:37.10 | edistar | niklauz: hehe |
| 23:38.11 | niklauz | mwester: when you were discussing a debain clone in OE, did you intend to say there would be *dis*advantages or advantages? |
| 23:38.12 | cb22 | mwester, afaik the wifi firmware is on the chip itself |
| 23:38.35 | cb22 | and not uploaded, which is why it got chosen |
| 23:38.53 | niklauz | OM could just provide a non-free repo |
| 23:38.54 | mwester | niklauz: there would be advantages in what OE would be able to build compared to Debian. |
| 23:39.19 | edistar | cb22: so that means the new OSS driver might not even work for the FR? |
| 23:39.21 | niklauz | mwester: o ok, any examples? |
| 23:39.38 | mwester | cb22: I guess that's would avoid the licensing issues. But I hope we can update it later on (it seems it has some issues, at least according to the numerous bug reports that seem to keep coming up). |
| 23:40.06 | mjr | edistar, different atheros variant |
| 23:40.15 | cb22 | edistar, new OSS driver? |
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| 23:40.28 | mjr | cb22, he's thinking of ar5k |
| 23:40.32 | Dave | holy alsa states batman! |
| 23:40.34 | cb22 | yeah, thought so |
| 23:40.35 | mjr | or a5k or was it |
| 23:40.46 | cb22 | mwester, indeed |
| 23:40.51 | kgoetz | 9k has a free driver now too |
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| 23:41.37 | edistar | it was announced that all atheros chips would get an OSS driver |
| 23:41.41 | edistar | without binary blobs |
| 23:41.56 | edistar | or did I get something wrong? |
| 23:42.09 | cb22 | edistar, well, there aren't any binary blobs for the current driver |
| 23:42.19 | mwester | niklauz: nothing specific; I don't run Debian very often. One tiny example though is that the stock Debian startup will assume that it can pause if fsck is required on a filesystem -- not something you can do on a phone in early boot without a keyboard or a functioning touchpad yet. :D |
| 23:42.22 | edistar | cb22: but there is a binary blob in the chip |
| 23:42.26 | cb22 | the firmware is stored on the chip |
| 23:43.05 | edistar | yes |
| 23:43.18 | edistar | if that isn't binary I don't know ;) |
| 23:43.32 | mwester | niklauz: And yes, that's easily fixed -- but that's the sort of thing that will require much patching on all sorts of components, and I'm not sure that the upstream Debian folks will find such changes to be something they wish to apply to the desktop/server world that they focus upon. |
| 23:43.43 | cb22 | well, there is a binary firmware running on the GSM modem too |
| 23:43.49 | cb22 | lets try and get them to release that :p |
| 23:43.52 | Fradeve87 | has anyone tryed to add a feed in openmoko-feedreader2? It doesn't works... |
| 23:44.05 | mjr | edistar, it's binary. It just isn't a driver. |
| 23:44.08 | edistar | okey |
| 23:44.09 | mwester | bbiab - gotta run |
| 23:44.17 | mjr | cb22, wifi, bluetooth... |
| 23:44.21 | mjr | ...glamo |
| 23:44.24 | niklauz | mwester: thats a valid example but doesn't seem prohibitive |
| 23:44.28 | mjr | there's no perfection with freerunner |
| 23:44.38 | niklauz | mwester: thanks for the explinations :D |
| 23:44.48 | cb22 | the glamo would be so much cooler if it was just a bunch of cores |
| 23:45.18 | edistar | but then OM wouldn't have half the drivers ready yet :) |
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| 23:50.58 | ShellEvil | In some cases, it would not get approval for the radio parts without a fixed image. You can't open-source those bits in some countries. |
| 23:51.20 | ShellEvil | For example, an open-source GSM modem would make the distributors liable for jailtime when it was abused. |
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| 23:51.48 | edistar | ShellEvil: are you trying to spoof SpeedEvil? :P |
| 23:52.40 | cb22 | speaking of SpeedEvil, i heard some guy was thought to be a terrorist for flying drones, instantly SpeedEvil came to mind :p |
| 23:54.19 | rwhitby | morning |
| 23:54.44 | edistar | good morning |
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| 23:55.13 | KenYoung | Is there a /sys/... entry controlling backlight brightness that exists with the same name on both the FR and the neo1973, or must code which wishes to control backlight brightness deal with different /sys entries on different OM phones? |
| 23:55.40 | edistar | KenYoung: there is only one sys entry.. |
| 23:55.56 | edistar | no compatibility on the kernel level necessarily |
| 23:56.12 | KenYoung | edistar, It seems to have different names on different OM phones. |
| 23:56.28 | edistar | yeah |
| 23:57.08 | KenYoung | edistar, Zut! Is there an "official" way code is supposed to determine which model of OM phone it is running on? |
| 23:57.34 | ShellEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.54 | KenYoung | ShellEvil, Thanks! |
| 23:59.00 | alphabeat | what about distribution? /etc/issue? |
