IRC log for #openmoko on 20080830

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`00:06.05`	`Dave`	`:)`
`00:06.09`	`*** join/#openmoko neolynx (n=u@31-123-204-62-pool.dsl.fcom.ch)`
`00:06.13`	`Dave`	`edistar: cu -l`
`00:06.34`	`zash`	`cu -l /dev/ttySOMETHING`
`00:06.35`	`b0ib0t`	`nice youtube :)`
`00:06.58`	`b0ib0t`	`i just watched a "trainwreck" vid... guy was dissin frerunner hard`
`00:07.07`	`neolynx`	`cu -l gives me a permission denied`
`00:07.11`	`neolynx`	`but minicom works`
`00:07.20`	`Dave`	`lawl`
`00:07.26`	`edistar`	`b0ib0t: yeah, ignore`
`00:07.26`	`Dave`	`neolynx: chown it!`
`00:07.34`	`edistar`	`b0ib0t: it's on the ml`
`00:08.23`	`b0ib0t`	`edistar, ml?`
`00:08.48`	`edistar`	`b0ib0t: mailinglist`
`00:08.52`	`b0ib0t`	`ah`
`00:08.57`	`b0ib0t`	`he was lame`
`00:08.59`	`neolynx`	`Dave: permission denied: line in use`
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`00:09.20`	`b0ib0t`	`the accelerometer vid pwns thoguh`
`00:09.23`	`b0ib0t`	`though*`
`00:10.37`	`Dave`	`neolynx are you actually trying to use cu, or just blindly doing what I tell you? :P`
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`00:10.48`	`b0ib0t`	`anybody know of an open source car?`
`00:10.49`	`edistar`	`Dave: have more faith`
`00:10.54`	`Dave`	`:)`
`00:10.59`	`paroneayea`	`an open source car?`
`00:11.03`	`Dave`	`boibot, that sounds like MEGAFAIL`
`00:11.09`	`b0ib0t`	`lmao`
`00:11.12`	`Dave`	`cardboard that falls apart`
`00:11.25`	`b0ib0t`	`there is somethign that is close`
`00:11.26`	`b0ib0t`	`locost`
`00:11.30`	`neolynx`	`Dave: well, I just joined, and saw you talking about cu, and after having tryied for some hours now, I thought to ask a question`
`00:11.32`	`Dave`	`lollercaust?`
`00:11.37`	`b0ib0t`	`search amazon for locost car`
`00:11.40`	`Dave`	`Ah okay`
`00:11.41`	`b0ib0t`	`or "build your own locost"`
`00:11.45`	`paroneayea`	`bikes are lowcost and open source ;)`
`00:11.52`	`b0ib0t`	`lotus super 7 clone`
`00:12.10`	`Dave`	`Neolynx, you know if you're actually trying to use cu with the bootloader, etc, try doing chown uucp:uucp /dev/ACM0`
`00:12.19`	`Dave`	`the as root cu -l /dev/ACM0 :)`
`00:12.31`	`Dave`	`if you haven't already been through that whole procedure :)`
`00:13.12`	`neolynx`	`Dave: my fault, I was trying with the gsm, sorry`
`00:13.21`	`Dave`	`heehee`
`00:13.23`	`Dave`	`:)`
`00:14.05`	`neolynx`	`which doesn't work anymore :/`
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`00:17.48`	`Dave`	`uh oh`
`00:18.21`	`paroneayea`	`so, is the neo 1973's driver alsa based?`
`00:18.24`	`paroneayea`	`er`
`00:18.26`	`paroneayea`	`audio driver`
`00:20.09`	`Dave`	`shrugs`
`00:20.13`	`lpotter`	`yes`
`00:20.14`	`Dave`	`look at the wiki wiki wiki`
`00:20.18`	`Dave`	`:)`
`00:20.24`	`Dave`	`Good evening Mister Potter`
`00:20.48`	`b0ib0t`	`Mr. Potter?`
`00:21.50`	`edistar`	`b0ib0t: lorn potter, yes`
`00:22.09`	`paroneayea`	`yeah, I'm looking at the wiki. Sorry if I'm being annoying... still struggling to figure out why there's no audio on my neo in debian`
`00:22.47`	`b0ib0t`	`edistar, kewl =]`
`00:23.06`	`nyu`	`porn lotter?`
`00:23.12`	`b0ib0t`	`omgroflol`
`00:24.54`	`lloyd_fedora`	`installed illume-config on the new 2008.8 update .. but it does not show the wrench in the top bar ?`
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`00:25.30`	`Yanroy`	`lloyd_fedora: did you reboot and/or restart X?`
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`00:25.46`	`Dave`	`restartx`
`00:27.38`	`lloyd_fedora`	`Yanroy: yes .. reboot`
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`00:29.46`	`CVirus`	`how fast/responsive is ASU ?`
`00:29.54`	`jucs`	`Good night @all!`
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`00:31.30`	`lloyd_fedora`	`CVirus: 2008.8 ???`
`00:32.00`	`edistar`	`CVirus: bearable`
`00:32.17`	`edistar`	`the qtopia on x11 apps make it slow`
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`00:32.59`	`lpotter`	`qtopia on x11 is unoptimized, unsupported and undeveloped :)`
`00:33.24`	`Dave`	`UNBEARABLE`
`00:33.33`	`Dave`	`ASU is full of bears?`
`00:34.49`	`edistar`	`of course`
`00:34.57`	`Dave`	`:p`
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`00:35.06`	`SpeedEvil`	`OMG!`
`00:35.10`	`SpeedEvil`	`It's full of stars!`
`00:35.12`	`edistar`	`lpotter: that's why I mentioned 'on x11' :)`
`00:35.13`	`Dave`	`zergrush!`
`00:35.17`	`edistar`	`qtopia itself is fast`
`00:35.48`	`Yanroy`	`I consider ASU to be smoothly animating and acceptably responsive`
`00:36.01`	`Yanroy`	`launching apps is a little slow like in 2007.2, but once they're running, they're pretty good`
`00:36.24`	`Yanroy`	`I've been using it as my daily phone since it came out`
`00:36.46`	`Yanroy`	`to the best of my knowledge, I haven't had any missed calls or anything go wrong :) seems to be a working phone`
`00:37.55`	`Yanroy`	`wonders if anyone has developed an app that will go get him a beer`
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`00:38.10`	`mmontour`	`~beer Yanroy`
`00:38.10`	`apt`	`ACTION pulls out a excellent Yuengling Lager for Yanroy`
`00:38.17`	`Yanroy`	`wow`
`00:38.20`	`Yanroy`	`now that's service`
`00:38.29`	`Yanroy`	`I don't believe I've tried Yuengling before`
`00:38.53`	`Yanroy`	`I've been collecting unique beer bottle caps to make a top for my bar... might have to go get that one`
`00:39.08`	`Dave`	`~sex OMBugsBot`
`00:39.11`	`Dave`	`:p`
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`00:39.48`	`mmontour`	`Yanroy: have you had good audio quality on the phone?`
`00:39.55`	`Yanroy`	`mmontour: much better than 2007.2`
`00:40.09`	`Yanroy`	`I haven't had any of the buzzing or echoing (with either image)`
`00:40.33`	`Yanroy`	`it's still a little quieter in the ear than I would like, but ppl on the other end seem to have no trouble hearing me`
`00:40.51`	`mmontour`	`It looks like there's finally some progress on the echo issue - some magic Calypso AT% commands`
`00:41.10`	`edistar`	`lpotter: may I ask you something? http://nopaste.org/p/aa6RAx6mob anything I can do here except flash a new image?`
`00:41.17`	`Yanroy`	`well, I never had that issue, so I don't know what all the fuss is about :P`
`00:41.49`	`edistar`	`mmontour: magic commands for noise reduction, not echo reduction`
`00:42.17`	`Yanroy`	`wonders why his laptop screen just blanked out for a sec`
`00:42.20`	`mmontour`	`Echo suppression, from what I read (but I haven't had time to try it yet)`
`00:42.22`	`edistar`	`afaik echo cancellation is quite difficult`
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`00:42.44`	`mmontour`	`yeah, not cancellation, just muting the mic when the other person is talking`
`00:42.46`	`matholio_`	`can anyone help me retrieve gps data via python ?`
`00:43.01`	`Yanroy`	`matholio_: you can always just cat the tty...`
`00:43.38`	`isprins`	`I suggest these names for GTA05`
`00:43.39`	`isprins`	`Neo Unity`
`00:43.39`	`isprins`	`Neo Meridian`
`00:43.39`	`isprins`	`Neo Elysian`
`00:43.39`	`isprins`	`Neo Gladsheim`
`00:43.39`	`isprins`	`Neo Ignis`
`00:43.41`	`isprins`	`Neo Yggdrasil Any comments ?`
`00:43.47`	`matholio_`	`I was hoping to get an example of python/fso/dbus/gps`
`00:43.47`	`Dave`	`o_o`
`00:43.59`	`Dave`	`eh? APIs?`
`00:44.02`	`Yanroy`	`isprins: firstly, don't flood... secondly, where'd you get those from?`
`00:44.13`	`Yanroy`	`isprins: and why 05? wha tabout 03 and 04?`
`00:44.19`	`isprins`	`yanroy: from my head ;P`
`00:44.22`	`Dave`	`heh`
`00:44.29`	`SpeedEvil`	`Neo Fight!`
`00:44.50`	`mmontour`	`isprins: GTA05 = "Neo Nukem Forever"`
`00:45.01`	`SpeedEvil`	`Neo Tony`
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`00:45.12`	`edistar`	`isprins: you mailed that already`
`00:45.27`	`Yanroy`	`we could always name them after moons...`
`00:45.33`	`isprins`	`mhm`
`00:45.37`	`Yanroy`	`I hear uranus has quite a few moons no one has ever heard of`
`00:45.37`	`edistar`	`or after me :P`
`00:45.56`	`Yanroy`	`or we could name it after stars`
`00:46.01`	`Yanroy`	`so like NGC15443-124A`
`00:46.14`	`matholio_`	`as if naming future devices even matters.`
`00:46.26`	`SpeedEvil`	`Neo - Shumacker-Levy 9`
`00:46.38`	`Yanroy`	`I think we should just name them after the md5 hashes of their electrical schematics`
`00:46.43`	`SpeedEvil`	`(It falls into bits, then smashes into the floor and explodes)`
`00:46.44`	`isprins`	`i like unity and gladsheim`
`00:47.18`	`mmontour`	`"Unity" is nicely ironic, considering the number of forked software distros that will exist for it by then`
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`00:47.55`	`Yanroy`	`mmontour: unless there is one charismatic leader that can trick them into uniting and then rule them with an iron fist`
`00:48.09`	`matholio_`	`if the project doesn't tank before first.`
`00:48.18`	`Yanroy`	`I'm not worried about that`
`00:48.27`	`zedstar_`	`i imagine Neo Nazi is probably not on the list`
`00:48.37`	`Yanroy`	`I'll keep working on it, even if no one else does, simply because I own the damn thing and I want it to do stuff`
`00:48.46`	`isprins`	`mmontour: well, the name unity is because it can connect and do so mutch`
`00:48.57`	`Yanroy`	`Neo Libertarian?`
`00:49.12`	`Dave`	`haw`
`00:49.14`	`Dave`	`Terrible.`
`00:49.19`	`Dave`	`Neo Communist`
`00:49.25`	`Dave`	`is at least more appropraite`
`00:49.28`	`Dave`	`appropriate`
`00:49.31`	`b0ib0t`	`i just got done playing the worst commercial game ever made`
`00:49.36`	`Dave`	`Hardly`
`00:49.40`	`b0ib0t`	`i cant believe i paid 49.99 for it`
`00:49.45`	`b0ib0t`	`someone shoot me D=`
`00:49.47`	`Yanroy`	`I can't believe its not butter`
`00:49.57`	`Dave`	`Tour Guide Barbie's Safari 2?`
`00:50.01`	`b0ib0t`	`Space Siege`
`00:50.07`	`b0ib0t`	`NEVER NEVER BUY THIS`
`00:50.16`	`Dave`	`yOu'd be better off playing asteroidz`
`00:50.20`	`Dave`	`or vectoroids :P`
`00:50.23`	`Dave`	`with no keyboard`
`00:50.24`	`Dave`	`:P`
`00:50.25`	`b0ib0t`	`barbie would be much more action`
`00:50.29`	`Dave`	`hahaha ;D`
`00:50.33`	`Dave`	`haha, probably`
`00:51.24`	`edistar`	`Dave: communist would be fun ;)`
`00:51.24`	`paroneayea`	`YESSSSSSSSSSSSS`
`00:51.24`	`Dave`	`Indeed. :)`
`00:51.24`	`b0ib0t`	`can freerunner run a sega emulator?`
`00:51.24`	`paroneayea`	`I finally got audio working!`
`00:51.24`	`paroneayea`	`on debian`
`00:51.24`	`b0ib0t`	`vectorman would be cool`
`00:51.24`	`Dave`	`I don't see why not`
`00:51.24`	`b0ib0t`	`or sonic the hedgehog`
`00:51.24`	`Dave`	`it runs snes9x barely`
`00:51.26`	`b0ib0t`	`lol`
`00:51.26`	`Dave`	`but it's brokenish`
`00:51.30`	`Dave`	`and fucks up your system`
`00:51.30`	`paroneayea`	`what about zsnes?`
`00:51.31`	`b0ib0t`	`so dosbox would be a big no`
`00:51.34`	`ieatlint`	`Dave, http://tehinterweb.com/testapp.png`
`00:51.35`	`Dave`	`paron, no`
`00:51.36`	`b0ib0t`	`would be cool to play tombraider`
`00:51.38`	`Dave`	`LINT`
`00:51.38`	`zedstar_`	`Neo Android`
`00:51.41`	`paroneayea`	`orite, that's like, x86 only`
`00:51.48`	`ieatlint`	`err... 404 :)`
`00:51.50`	`paroneayea`	`I forget why`
`00:51.54`	`Yanroy`	`hey, how does one set up the daily feeds for 2008.8?`
`00:51.58`	`isprins`	`http://starwraith3dgames.home.att.net/arvoch/index.htm nice game, but no linux version :(`
`00:52.03`	`Dave`	`:o`
`00:52.15`	`ieatlint`	`err, no, wait, that link is good`
`00:52.17`	`Dave`	`paron, no, it's windows only`
`00:52.19`	`Dave`	`and fuck that`
`00:52.33`	`Dave`	`lint :D`
`00:52.35`	`Dave`	`yeah it's fine :D`
`00:52.49`	`ieatlint`	`Dave, i wrote that in under 3 hours with my library...`
`00:52.54`	`Dave`	`yeah that's cute and whatnot...`
`00:53.09`	`Dave`	`I've already been working up my own... I'm sorry to say :\`
`00:53.12`	`ieatlint`	`compared to http://www.nextmuni.com/predictor/simplePrediction.shtml?a=sf-muni&r=29&d=23077&s=BOWLLIN0`
`00:53.20`	`Dave`	`heh`
`00:53.25`	`Dave`	`yeah`
`00:53.28`	`ieatlint`	`(hah, you can tell from the predictions that screenshot is 3min old)`
`00:53.28`	`Dave`	`clearly based off`
`00:53.31`	`Dave`	`:)`
`00:53.51`	`Dave`	`I still have my bus pass :)`
`00:54.04`	`ieatlint`	`Dave, it was a test/demo app :P`
`00:54.25`	`Dave`	`I know, I know :P`
`00:54.28`	`ieatlint`	`hence the reason i went for the awesome name`
`00:54.29`	`Dave`	`not bad ;)`
`00:54.33`	`matholio_`	`hay all, I just updated my debian-fso and not the pointer calibration is way off, any ideas ?`
`00:54.34`	`Dave`	`INDEED`
`00:54.55`	`Dave`	`just make sure when you release it to the public to remove those hysterical exception messages`
`00:55.01`	`Dave`	`(don't do as I did) :D`
`00:55.07`	`ieatlint`	`lol`
`00:55.10`	`Dave`	`falls out of his chair`
`00:55.13`	`ieatlint`	`there are no crazy messages from me`
`00:55.19`	`ieatlint`	`except for one`
`00:55.19`	`Dave`	`good times... :P`
`00:55.22`	`ieatlint`	`but it was intentional`
`00:55.25`	`Dave`	`:)`
`00:55.32`	`Dave`	`No secret messages directed to me?`
`00:56.20`	`ieatlint`	`i dunno.. are you gay and your name actually fred?`
`00:56.29`	`Dave`	`Uhh, no.`
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`00:56.43`	`ieatlint`	`then nope`
`00:56.48`	`Dave`	`:[`
`00:56.52`	`Dave`	`I'm so disheartened :P`
`00:56.58`	`ieatlint`	`i did however just find a bottle of valium i thought i'd lost`
`00:57.03`	`Dave`	`O_o`
`00:57.19`	`Dave`	`Good news, I just saved 15% on my car insurance...?`
`00:57.46`	`Dave`	`Bad news, nobody, the supercollider just superexploded!...`
`00:58.22`	`isprins`	`dave: the HLC ?:O`
`00:58.26`	`LuYu`	`too bad, that would have saved you on gas milage`
`00:59.04`	`Dave`	`haha`
`00:59.14`	`Dave`	`I could probably save 250% if I moved out of state.`
`00:59.15`	`LuYu`	`although i wonder how would have got it in your trunk`
`00:59.22`	`isprins`	`Large Hadron Collider`
`00:59.27`	`Dave`	`:p`
`00:59.37`	`LuYu`	`SHC`
`00:59.40`	`Dave`	`isprins, certanly not in my trunk.`
`00:59.53`	`Dave`	`Stable Hybrid Copter?`
`01:00.10`	`LuYu`	`that would kill your gas milage`
`01:00.15`	`LuYu`	`but it would be fun`
`01:00.29`	`LuYu`	`actually`
`01:00.32`	`LuYu`	`uHC`
`01:00.49`	`LuYu`	`micro hadron collider (for your trunk)`
`01:00.51`	`edistar`	`lpotter: ping`
`01:01.10`	`isprins`	`i got mail form Frode Veierud, he works at CERN`
`01:01.15`	`LuYu`	`that way it wont be confused with a copter`
`01:01.16`	`Dave`	`Plutonium powered pontiacs ftw :p`
`01:01.32`	`LuYu`	`sounds like detroit to me`
`01:01.33`	`SpeedEvil`	`pink pontiacs?`
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`01:05.11`	`isprins`	`dar she blew`
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`01:05.26`	`Dave`	`BOOM`
`01:05.26`	`isprins`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider#Safety_of_particle_collisions`
`01:05.26`	`Dave`	`in my stomach?`
`01:05.26`	`lpotter`	`edistar: pong`
`01:05.27`	`isprins`	`read the "Operational safety"...`
`01:05.27`	`edistar`	`lpotter: any good browser available for qtopia?`
`01:05.27`	`lpotter`	`not yet :)`
`01:05.27`	`lpotter`	`4.4 will have a simple one based on webkit`
`01:05.27`	`Dave`	`except 4.4 won't be available forever, likely.`
`01:05.27`	`Dave`	`(no offense)`
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`01:14.41`	`ieatlint`	`you know, the verb emaciate is so rarely used in the active form...`
`01:15.01`	`baird`	`Has anyone already suggested using ReMoko to recognize sign language..? (not fingerspelling, but the 'word-guestures' like Auslan has a lot of..)`
`01:15.20`	`Dave`	`ieatlint, shall I provide an active demonstration?`
`01:15.26`	`Dave`	`:P`
`01:15.30`	`tunys`	`netsplits are so much fun`
`01:15.53`	`ieatlint`	`i'm going to go shower and then drive to the south bay.. bbl`
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`01:17.03`	`isprins`	`does anyone have opinions on this one ? http://www.imcosys.com/html/smartphone1.html`
`01:17.05`	`Dave`	`good luck`
`01:17.07`	`Dave`	`don't get picked up`
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`01:18.28`	`edistar`	`isprins: not really superv`
`01:18.37`	`isprins`	`strange, it is not possible to download the user manual from imcosys's page..`
`01:19.46`	`edistar`	`isprins: doesn't look very open to me`
`01:20.48`	`Dave`	`haha superb?`
`01:21.12`	`isprins`	`edistar: i mailed them and asked why it is not possible to download the manuals.. that was 4 days ago..`
`01:21.18`	`isprins`	`no answer yet.`
`01:21.39`	`edistar`	`Dave: yeah, superb`
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`01:22.16`	`admiral0`	`hi`
`01:22.29`	`admiral0`	`is anybody online?`
`01:22.36`	`admiral0`	`..`
`01:22.38`	`lpotter`	`Dave: 4.4 will be available to everyone but you. sorry :)`
`01:22.38`	`admiral0`	`alive`
`01:22.46`	`isprins`	`and no existing reviews on the net... suspicious...`
`01:23.17`	`Dave`	`Cool`
`01:23.19`	`Dave`	`sounds about right, anyway`
`01:23.40`	`Dave`	`I'll probably get lost on the trolltech website for a week, anyhow.`
`01:23.41`	`Dave`	`:)`
`01:23.49`	`edistar`	`admiral0: no`
`01:24.12`	`isprins`	`perhaps it is a hoax ?`
`01:24.13`	`lpotter`	`i put in some secret code if(DavesNeo) dumpCore(true);`
`01:24.53`	`Dave`	`:D`
`01:24.56`	`admiral0`	`edistar lol`
`01:24.58`	`Dave`	`Lpotter, want my entire MAC range?`
`01:25.12`	`lpotter`	`oh! that'd be a better way`
`01:25.15`	`Dave`	`:)`
`01:25.31`	`Dave`	`oh the other hand, this will only further my pestering you ;)`
`01:25.35`	`Dave`	`but I think it'd be fun.`
`01:25.36`	`admiral0`	`in my time zone it's 3am`
`01:25.48`	`Dave`	`Admiral Standard Time?`
`01:26.05`	`admiral0`	`no`
`01:26.14`	`admiral0`	`after hour standard time :D`
`01:27.46`	`lpotter`	`if(DavesNeo) runClockBackwards();`
`01:28.12`	`edistar`	`:D`
`01:28.28`	`Dave`	`ooh, cool`
`01:28.50`	`Dave`	`runClockBackwards? does that call the flux capacitor helper functions?`
`01:29.00`	`Dave`	`:P`
`01:30.43`	`isprins`	`if (isprins'neo) explode ();`
`01:31.58`	`isprins`	`i had a rechargeable battery that exploded..`
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`01:32.56`	`edistar`	`lpotter: has the white screen of death disappeared?`
`01:33.48`	`lpotter`	`i havent seen it`
`01:34.25`	`edistar`	`;)`
`01:34.38`	`lpotter`	`only on Daves Neo`
`01:38.49`	`admiral0`	`+ beer = good programming`
`01:39.06`	`chillywilly`	`ate too much chinese food`
`01:39.19`	`chillywilly`	`the moo shu beef is awesome`
`01:39.41`	`admiral0`	`i prefer beer`
`01:40.00`	`chillywilly`	`yes, I also had some beerz`
`01:40.06`	`chillywilly`	`real WI microbrews`
`01:40.14`	`chillywilly`	`like spotted cow`
`01:40.18`	`chillywilly`	`mmmmm`
`01:40.32`	`chillywilly`	`New Glarus, WI represent!`
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`01:40.38`	`_charly_`	`hi :)`
`01:41.11`	`virac`	`anyone have the qtopia 4.3.2 for fr that they could send me the qtopia site is down`
`01:41.30`	`isprins`	`http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/Flux1.jpg`
`01:43.34`	`_charly_`	`is there a way to save the trip as log in tangogps? i forgot to start track recording :/`
`01:44.33`	`edistar`	`n8`
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`01:45.16`	`isprins`	`chillywilly: do you make beer yourself ?`
`01:47.33`	`Dave`	`oh great, not this again.`
`01:49.05`	`isprins`	`<- makes his own beer`
`01:49.17`	`chillywilly`	`No I do not`
`01:49.19`	`admiral0`	`O_O`
`01:49.19`	`chillywilly`	`my dad does`
`01:49.23`	`chillywilly`	`er, used to`
`01:49.39`	`chillywilly`	`can't make beer if you're not alive`
`01:50.01`	`CVirus`	`LOL`
`01:50.10`	`isprins`	`chillywilly: ever heard about gruit ?`
`01:50.21`	`chillywilly`	`doesn't sound familiar`
`01:50.28`	`isprins`	`http://www.gruitale.com/intro_en.htm`
`01:51.40`	`isprins`	`it is a extremely old type of beer, the first written occurence of gruit is in a document that dates 1365`
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`01:52.10`	`chillywilly`	`hmmmm, I can't imagine beer without hops`
`01:52.21`	`slaxxin`	`what has to be done to connect to wifi more than once?`
`01:52.22`	`Dave`	`sounds more like a cloak and dagger type of affair`
`01:52.25`	`chillywilly`	`must taste weird ;P`
`01:52.37`	`Dave`	`wifi, beer...`
`01:52.48`	`Dave`	`it's all one giant confusing process`
`01:52.51`	`isprins`	`chillywilly: it thatses herbs, quite good actually`
`01:54.22`	`slaxxin`	`i saw an old moonshiner make his stuff once an tasted the beer before he ran the still an it was really good only it looked like sewage`
`01:55.06`	`Dave`	`haha`
`01:55.11`	`Dave`	`eww :p`
`01:55.12`	`isprins`	`slaxxin: that is not beer.. it is called mash i thing.. or "sats" in norwegian`
`01:55.25`	`chillywilly`	`correct`
`01:55.25`	`slaxxin`	`yea thats it`
`01:55.25`	`Dave`	`er du norsk? :D`
`01:55.31`	`isprins`	`jepp`
`01:55.34`	`Dave`	`:DDDD`
`01:55.44`	`slaxxin`	`apple shine mmmmmmm mmmm`
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`01:56.55`	`slaxxin`	`why is it 2008.8 only connects once to the wifi?`
`01:57.13`	`slaxxin`	`according to wiki`
`01:57.29`	`slaxxin`	`thats seems to be a problem`
`01:57.52`	`slaxxin`	`i wanna connect so i can run me battery down faster`
`01:58.20`	`Dave`	`heh`
`01:58.30`	`slaxxin`	`i have 3`
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`02:07.04`	`isprins`	`i am constructing my own nanobrewery, made out of recycled diary pipes.. All 304/316 Stainless steel`
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`02:07.18`	`Dave`	`sounds awesome :D`
`02:08.11`	`isprins`	`i will post pictures to my blog when it is finished`
`02:08.43`	`johngay`	`Evening everybody.`
`02:10.18`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`woot. decreased levels of brick on my FR`
`02:10.50`	`johngay`	`This upgrade is taking ages /-:`
`02:13.09`	`slaxxin`	`johngay i cant connect to wifi again but i did once what am i doing wrong:)`
`02:13.39`	`slaxxin`	`#turn on wifi an run`
`02:13.39`	`slaxxin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:13.39`	`slaxxin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:13.39`	`slaxxin`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`02:13.44`	`slaxxin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:13.56`	`slaxxin`	`access point is open`
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`02:14.51`	`slaxxin`	`that upgraded 20908.8 looks like everything`
`02:15.06`	`johngay`	`Don't know. I only use iwconfig eth0 essid Foo and udhcpc`
`02:15.37`	`slaxxin`	`ok i dont have to kill the usb first?`
`02:16.15`	`johngay`	`I don't. I'm running usb to the laptop and wifi at the same time now.`
`02:17.35`	`mmontour`	`you don't have to kill usb. You do have to make sure that you have only 1 default route, either through usb or through wifi`
`02:17.40`	`doc\|home`	`hmmm, anyone notice qtopia having a habit of not coming out of suspend, even following removing the battery, until you power usb?`
`02:18.15`	`slaxxin`	`thank you mmontour`
`02:19.09`	`mmontour`	`btw my wifi is flaky, only connects about half the time (with no changes in my config). So you might try rebooting a couple of times if you can't get it to work`
`02:19.49`	`slaxxin`	`it worked with tose commands john gave me thanks`
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`02:22.32`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`sorry, i think this is old news (my image is old) - are fic-gta02 and neo1973 package feed depreciated?`
`02:23.12`	`johngay`	`Just realised I didn't activate my wifi, no wonder the upgrade was so slow`
`02:26.05`	`Roy_M`	`Hi I think I am having some problems with my phone becuase I have nulls in the contacts. Does anyone know how to remove nulls from the contacts from the cli as the normal interface is not working properly`
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`02:29.31`	`CVirus`	`Roy_M: I remeber this was discussed on the mailing list ... let me find it for you`
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`02:30.01`	`johngay`	`I'm reading lwn.net on my FR as I do an opkg upgrade via PuTTY on my Daughters Vista Laptop (-:`
`02:30.37`	`CVirus`	`And why is your daughter using vista ?`
`02:30.38`	`CVirus`	`:-p`
`02:31.04`	`johngay`	`It's what came on it and she's a teenager`
`02:31.31`	`isprins`	`vista.. shudders`
`02:31.35`	`johngay`	`I don't have ssh on my Linux box.`
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`02:32.06`	`CVirus`	`Roy_M: can't find it ... search the wiki .. I think a script lies there that can fix your problem`
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`02:32.33`	`Roy_M`	`sure thanks CVirus`
`02:32.50`	`CVirus`	`johngay: my sister is 6 and she uses gentoo .... my other sister is 16 and uses ubuntu`
`02:34.27`	`johngay`	`My daughter used a fat X Client 386 when she was 12, and used thin clients throughout secondary school.`
`02:34.55`	`CVirus`	`haha :-D`
`02:34.56`	`johngay`	`But now she's 19 and hates Linux because dad uses it.`
`02:35.24`	`Stroller`	`Linux - an operating system for girls`
`02:35.58`	`Stroller`	`johngay: What does she use now?`
`02:36.03`	`CVirus`	`is 19 and loves Linux :-p`
`02:36.13`	`johngay`	`Vista )-=`
`02:36.21`	`Stroller`	`How to tell if you've succeeded as a father: BSD`
`02:36.21`	`Stroller`	`failure: Windows`
`02:36.29`	`CVirus`	`hahaha`
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`02:44.54`	`lpotter`	`my son is 2 and uses a mac`
`02:48.29`	`swc\|666`	`my daughter will code asm @ 3`
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`02:50.01`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`o_0`
`02:52.26`	`johngay`	`this is the third time I've tried opkg update && opkg upgrade`
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`03:03.15`	`johnsu01`	`figures that when I planned to play with qtopia, qtopia.net is down :/`
`03:11.26`	`lpotter`	`johnsu01: what neo do you have? freerunner?`
`03:12.11`	`johnsu01`	`lpotter: yes`
`03:12.35`	`lpotter`	`flash image or update?`
`03:12.49`	`johnsu01`	`lpotter: I have the system installed, I was going to try compiling some different things`
`03:13.03`	`doc\|home`	`lpotter: got any bugs filed about the freerunner failing to come out of suspend even after removing the battery, and until the freerunner is plugged into usb?`
`03:13.23`	`johnsu01`	`lpotter: so I need to get the toolchain and things`
`03:13.28`	`lpotter`	`doc\|home: had that happen and the battery was wonky`
`03:13.48`	`doc\|home`	`lpotter: not a battery issue for me :/ wouldn't boot even after removing the battery numerous times :/`
`03:13.53`	`lpotter`	`johnsu01: just the toolchain or the sdk?`
`03:14.03`	`lpotter`	`hmm`
`03:14.49`	`johnsu01`	`lpotter: Well, I suppose I'm not sure what all I need`
`03:15.21`	`johnsu01`	`lpotter: But probably the sdk too I would think`
`03:16.34`	`mwester`	`removing the battery if the phone is plugged into USB is a no-op as far as the suspend/resume logic is concerned.`
`03:16.59`	`mwester`	`(Changes in charge status do not cause a wake interrupt)`
`03:18.46`	`johngay`	`Stupid Question time: What video formats are supported in openmoko-mediaplayer2`
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`03:20.27`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`sighs. got a bad case of the upgrades. why does download have to be so irritating >.<`
`03:21.33`	`baird`	`johngay: if you succeed in getting it to play /anything/ let me know. :/`
`03:23.24`	`baird`	`It's "it has to be a playlist before I even know its there" really has to go..`
`03:24.27`	`isprins`	`* calls the night... sleepytime`
`03:26.14`	`johngay`	`Guess its not so stupid after all.`
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`03:30.35`	`johnsu01`	`hm`
`03:30.51`	`johnsu01`	`user.crit kernel: kernel BUG at net/bluetooth/rfcomm/tty.c:313!`
`03:31.10`	`johnsu01`	`and now seems locked up`
`03:31.40`	`johnsu01`	`after trying to disconnect a bluetooth audio headset connected as handsfree`
`03:31.52`	`johngay`	`I think I've installed everything for 2007.2 now. time for bed.`
`03:32.21`	`johnsu01`	`well, http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10044, at least it's fixed in a newer kernel..`
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`03:47.22`	`richiefrich`	`are there phones yet`
`03:47.25`	`richiefrich`	`???//`
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`03:48.06`	`richiefrich`	`i take that as a no`
`03:49.09`	`doc\|home`	`richiefrich: at resellers`
`03:49.19`	`CVirus`	`richiefrich: you're too late .. lol`
`03:49.25`	`richiefrich`	`doc\|home: you the same one as on #gentoo ?`
`03:49.39`	`doc\|home`	`richiefrich: aye`
`03:49.46`	`doc\|home`	`tips his hat`
`03:49.49`	`richiefrich`	`doc\|home: well hello sir`
`03:50.04`	`richiefrich`	`doc\|home: do you own one of these cool phones?`
`03:50.11`	`richiefrich`	`doc\|home: as you see i am waiting`
`03:50.27`	`CVirus`	`richiefrich: the FreeRunner is almost sold out`
`03:50.41`	`richiefrich`	`CVirus: it has been arent they making more?`
`03:50.55`	`richiefrich`	`CVirus: or is it a dead project?`
`03:50.55`	`CVirus`	`richiefrich: check the resellers`
`03:51.06`	`CVirus`	`no it's not`
`03:51.07`	`richiefrich`	`so the main site isnt selling more ver?`
`03:51.10`	`richiefrich`	`ever?`
`03:51.32`	`richiefrich`	`CVirus: thats just stupid... if thewyamixer sset PCM 3+`
`03:51.33`	`CVirus`	`richiefrich: they prefer selling throught resellers I guess`
`03:51.38`	`richiefrich`	`heh`
`03:51.46`	`richiefrich`	`then i will get something else`
`03:51.50`	`richiefrich`	`thanks`
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`04:03.08`	`johnsu01`	`So, trying to connect with TLS to an smtp server, qtopia is giving me a "The issuer certificate of a locally looked up certificate colud not be found" error`
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`04:07.38`	`CVirus`	`The best part??!! This thing is supposed to go for around FOUR HUNDRED (yes, 400!) DOLLARS! Yow! And it's somehow supposed to be an argument AGAINST other phone's, such as the iPhone?? LOL! What planet/alternate reality do them freetard's live on/in??`
`04:07.55`	`CVirus`	`Why the fuck is such a youtube video with retarded description on om.com ?`
`04:08.02`	`CVirus`	`http://openmoko.com/product-youtube.php`
`04:08.19`	`CVirus`	`And this is the IMPROVED version?? The freetard's of the world might wanna stop waving their little "It's freeeeee!! It's opeeeeen!" fist's quite so high in the air and wake up to reality. Sure SOME DAY it might actually develop into something useful... only by that time the rest of the world (that doesn't sit in dark basement's compiling pointless apps with no real life or friend's living off of diet coke and french fries) will have extended their head`
`04:08.20`	`CVirus`	`start that much further.`
`04:08.23`	`CVirus`	`wtf ?`
`04:09.39`	`adsllc`	`So, CVirus, how do you really feel?`
`04:09.54`	`CVirus`	`couldn't care less .. lol`
`04:10.04`	`CVirus`	`he's retarded .. end of story`
`04:10.21`	`CVirus`	`<--- freetard and proud of it :-p`
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`04:11.47`	`CVirus`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqIvSjke1X0&NR=1`
`04:11.58`	`CVirus`	`the guy's a retard`
`04:12.54`	`adsllc`	`CVirus - do you have something to contribute or are you just going to troll all night?`
`04:14.17`	`CVirus`	`adsllc: looks like you don't get it .. I was just pasting what's written in the description of the video .. those aren't my words`
`04:14.27`	`CVirus`	`adsllc: no troll act intended .. sorry anyways`
`04:15.28`	`adsllc`	`I'm now thoroughly confused, but that's probably for the best!`
`04:16.00`	`adsllc`	`Anyone know if the 2008.8 update (2008.9?) is worth flashing to or is it the same as my original 2008.8 with updates installed?`
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`04:17.51`	`adsllc`	`johnsu01: sounds like a certificate chain issue. I just logged in - can you bring me up to speed?`
`04:18.38`	`johnsu01`	`adsllc: well, I'm just trying set up smtp on my qtopia install. sending a message gives "unknown error" on the phone, and logread gives that cert error.`
`04:19.05`	`johnsu01`	`Aug 30 03:47:35 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Encrypted connect warnings: "'The issuer certificate of a locally looked up certificate could not be found', 'The root CA certificate is not trusted for this purpose', 'No certificates could be verified'"`
`04:19.08`	`johnsu01`	`is the full error`
`04:19.21`	`adsllc`	`johnsu01: and your SMTP server requires TLS?`
`04:19.48`	`johnsu01`	`adsllc: Well, I haven't been able to get any smtp to work -- something seems to be odd about the way the FR is doing auth`
`04:20.03`	`johnsu01`	`so, the smtp server supports tls and I was trying it as another option`
`04:20.19`	`johnsu01`	`I've tried 2 different smtp servers`
`04:20.24`	`johnsu01`	`with plain and login auth`
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`04:23.32`	`adsllc`	`johnsu01: I haven't played with this at all - gimme a few minutes.`
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`04:37.04`	`AntonTakk`	`grrrrr`
`04:37.09`	`AntonTakk`	`i need a new c book`
`04:37.54`	`AntonTakk`	`or to find out how to use perfectly valid c code in c++ w/o the compiler choking on things that are ok in c`
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`04:41.58`	`Infoport`	`hello apt!`
`04:42.20`	`Infoport`	`apt not speaking?`
`04:42.30`	`Infoport`	`whew! tough room`
`04:42.35`	`doc\|home`	`not to you!`
`04:43.47`	`doc\|home`	`anyone know how to switch qtopia wlan setup from unavailable to something else? The setup's correct`
`04:43.53`	`Infoport`	`did I insult its artificial intelligence? :)`
`04:44.44`	`Infoport`	`doc, sorry I've only played a bit with qtopia`
`04:48.23`	`adsllc`	`johnsu01: I managed to have success with Encryption: None and Authentication: IMAP`
`04:48.52`	`adsllc`	`I'm running a fairly standard sendmail server on my LAN`
`04:49.04`	`johnsu01`	`adsllc: hm, I think I tried that combination but I'll give it a go`
`04:49.14`	`johnsu01`	`adsllc: does your server advertise AUTH?`
`04:50.29`	`johnsu01`	`adsllc: that gives me relay not permitted`
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`04:55.55`	`adsllc`	`I'm looking at a packet trace for any useful info - but frankly I'm not expecting to find much useful. I suspect that your FR just doesn't have any auth options that your SMTP server supports.`
`04:59.42`	`johnsu01`	`I was considering typing in username and password in base64 :)`
`05:00.32`	`adsllc`	`Well, good luck with that!`
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`05:02.47`	`adsllc`	`Well, a little more digging tells me that I'm simply trusting the local network - setting Authentication: None worked too.`
`05:04.07`	`adsllc`	`Any luck receive mail via IMAP? I get a "Host not found" error even though it sends mail through the same server just fine.`
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`05:05.53`	`adsllc`	`Nevermind - had a space in front of the server name.`
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`05:07.31`	`johnsu01`	`adsllc: yeah, that's a keyboard bug I was going to report if it isn't already`
`05:07.44`	`johnsu01`	`adsllc: blank spaces popping up in front of passwords, usernames and server names really sucks :)`
`05:07.58`	`johnsu01`	`took me a long time to find the first case of that..`
`05:08.26`	`undrwater`	`anyone awake using fso?`
`05:09.23`	`adsllc`	`undrwater - qtopia and 2008.8 are all I know of.`
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`05:10.10`	`undrwater`	`adsllc: yeah...me too...but i'm frustrated with both...now it's time to be frustrated with fso ;)`
`05:10.25`	`adsllc`	`My FR just hard locked while browsing my IMAP Inbox - no ping responses, charging light didn't go out when unplugged from the USB, nothing!`
`05:10.51`	`johnsu01`	`:(`
`05:10.59`	`adsllc`	`Granted - this Inbox does have 3449 messages in it...`
`05:11.10`	`johnsu01`	`adsllc: yeah... I let mine chug through about that many before having second thoughts`
`05:11.29`	`johnsu01`	`adsllc: I deleted the box from the FR, but then tried to recreate it, and now it won't download any messages at all :)`
`05:12.03`	`adsllc`	`Well, I think I'll stop poking it until I've cleaned that box out a bit!`
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`05:14.31`	`adsllc`	`Are there any games or anything else that uses the accelerometers yet?`
`05:15.05`	`adsllc`	`I wrote a little CLI app that's kind of neat, but a GUI is always better.`
`05:17.02`	`AntonTakk`	`adsllc: what language?`
`05:17.36`	`adsllc`	`C`
`05:17.49`	`AntonTakk`	`ah, care to help a c noob?`
`05:18.30`	`adsllc`	`Sure - but I've got to warn you that it's getting late where I'm at...`
`05:18.35`	`adsllc`	`What can I tells you?`
`05:19.44`	`adsllc`	`I see your comment about C / C++, but it doesn't have any specifics.`
`05:20.01`	`AntonTakk`	`well, i'm trying to get user input, i do something like printf ("prompt: "); \n gets(variable); \n printf ("prompt2: "); \n gets(variable2);`
`05:20.20`	`AntonTakk`	`inface, let me pastebin the code snippet in question`
`05:20.25`	`AntonTakk`	`aloing with the rsult`
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`05:20.45`	`adsllc`	`k`
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`05:22.47`	`AntonTakk`	`adsllc: http://pastebin.com/m62bd7926`
`05:26.31`	`undrwater`	`is get a defined object?`
`05:26.42`	`adsllc`	`I assume the "char get(char text, size_t size) {" on line 4 is a typo to be ignored?`
`05:27.03`	`adsllc`	`Looks like the definition from the header file to me.`
`05:27.16`	`AntonTakk`	`no, that's an example I found on getting string onput w/o the compiler griping about gets() being unsafe`
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`05:27.34`	`AntonTakk`	`s/opnup/input`
`05:27.51`	`AntonTakk`	`but i get the same behavior with gets()`
`05:28.21`	`adsllc`	`Well, the code posted doesn't compile, so it's hard to say what's syntax error and what's logic error so far...`
`05:28.50`	`AntonTakk`	`i could post the whole thing, it's not big, but it is a bit of a mess atm`
`05:29.14`	`AntonTakk`	`and you'd need efl and evolution data server dev libs to compile it`
`05:29.19`	`adsllc`	`I'll figure it out in a few.`
`05:29.41`	`undrwater`	`gooey`
`05:30.20`	`AntonTakk`	`misses happily cout ing and cin ing all day in c++`
`05:30.36`	`adsllc`	`Ah - I think the get() is what you're trying to write and the add_contact is the fluff - considering that function isn't called anywhere.`
`05:30.37`	`undrwater`	`doesn't miss c++ at all`
`05:31.03`	`AntonTakk`	`yeah, add_contact is just a subroutine`
`05:31.12`	`AntonTakk`	`called from inside main()`
`05:32.11`	`AntonTakk`	`i can post the whole file if it would help`
`05:33.56`	`CVirus`	`Some guy on the mailing list claims that suspend/resume is working properly with a recent Qtopia image ... did anything change recently in the kernel ? is suspend/resume working properly ?`
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`05:35.39`	`pabs3`	`which distro is currently best for using the FR as a phone?`
`05:35.42`	`undrwater`	`CVirus: i asked lpotter how much of suspend / resume goes on in user space...he said about 80%`
`05:36.01`	`undrwater`	`don't quote me...i'm not really quoting him...but that's how i remember it`
`05:36.25`	`adsllc`	`AntonTakk: http://pastebin.com/db6c78e`
`05:36.27`	`undrwater`	`pabs3: do you really really want to use it as a phone?`
`05:37.15`	`adsllc`	`AntonTakk: I really didn't change anything, I just beat it into shape to compile cleanly.`
`05:37.37`	`AntonTakk`	`it compiles w/o so much as a warning as is`
`05:37.42`	`pabs3`	`undrwater: well, that would be nice`
`05:38.02`	`undrwater`	`pabs qtopia gives you phone...kind of...but not much else`
`05:38.33`	`undrwater`	`actually....all of the images work as phone...depending on many different factors`
`05:38.45`	`adsllc`	`AntonTakk: that "int add_contact() {" broke my compile.`
`05:38.54`	`mmontour`	`AntonTakk: you shouldn't define the get() function inside add_contact() - AFAIK that's only a gcc-ism, not part of a language standard`
`05:39.39`	`adsllc`	`I agree with mmontour, if that's what you've been doing.`
`05:40.28`	`adsllc`	`I don't think it's related to your problem, but it is bad form.`
`05:40.33`	`undrwater`	`pabs3: my advice...quit your job and lurk here for 3 weeks`
`05:40.34`	`AntonTakk`	`just did that now to get around the gets warning`
`05:40.43`	`mmontour`	`I was surprised to find that it was permitted at all, although it's not the first time that I've had that reaction to gcc.`
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`05:41.35`	`pabs3`	`undrwater: heh :)`
`05:41.43`	`mmontour`	`If you're just concerned about the warning about "gets() is unsafe", use fgets() and specify the size of your buffer.`
`05:41.44`	`AntonTakk`	`adsllc: all you did was move that code from add_contact to main....how could it possibly change the way the output is formatted ?`
`05:42.04`	`adsllc`	`Magic?`
`05:42.23`	`blubs`	`hello there I just tried this setup with debian here http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner everything worked fine but wehn booting it says "wrong image format for bootm command". Does anybody know why ?`
`05:42.34`	`AntonTakk`	`mmontour: the reading i did said that fgets can leave a trailing \n, and I don't know if that would choke evo data server`
`05:43.15`	`undrwater`	`blubs: did you modify your env in uboot?`
`05:43.19`	`johnsu01`	`adsllc: weird, I just got it to work with dreamhost's smtp, which I swear failed before`
`05:43.30`	`johnsu01`	`adsllc: I guess firing up tshark to watch the traffic made it work ;)`
`05:44.07`	`johnsu01`	`adsllc: this is with no encryption and Login`
`05:44.11`	`adsllc`	`AntonTakk: "while (strlen(str) && str[strlen(str)]=='\n') str[strlen(str)]=0" will trim that for you.`
`05:44.14`	`blubs`	`undrwater: yes with this script http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/configure-uboot.sh`
`05:44.26`	`blubs`	`undrwater: it only says it when booting debian`
`05:44.36`	`blubs`	`on the flash card`
`05:44.44`	`blubs`	`when booting 2008.8 it works`
`05:44.50`	`pabs3`	`blubs: you probably need to update u-boot`
`05:45.03`	`adsllc`	`AntonTakk, that may have an off-by-one error in it somewhere (it's off the top of my head), but you get the idea.`
`05:45.11`	`blubs`	`pabs3: how do i do that ?`
`05:45.24`	`undrwater`	`blubs: you can use dfu-util for that`
`05:45.40`	`undrwater`	`get the most recent uboot you can find`
`05:45.42`	`mmontour`	`AntonTakk: that's possible, but you could manually check the last character then set it to 0 if it was '\n'`
`05:45.45`	`blubs`	`undrwater: thx and then how should i update it ?`
`05:45.58`	`blubs`	`undrwater: where do i get that ?`
`05:45.59`	`pabs3`	`blubs: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner`
`05:46.06`	`mmontour`	`oh yeah, what adsllc said`
`05:46.18`	`undrwater`	`there are instructions in the wiki....something like -a uboot -R -D uboot<whatever>.bin`
`05:47.52`	`AntonTakk`	`ok, changed it to use fgets instead, still has funky output`
`05:47.59`	`blubs`	`undrwater: pabs3 ah ok .. i see. But where do I get the newest uboot for this purpus and openmoko ?`
`05:48.33`	`undrwater`	`blubs: check the dates on the files...anything in august should be fine...look in the places you got 2008.8`
`05:48.34`	`adsllc`	`AntonTakk: Is your program using signals? If you have an unhandled signal hanging around it can cause system calls to return immediately as you describe. Try inserting a few strategic perror() calls.`
`05:49.39`	`AntonTakk`	`adsllc: ...strategic perror calls.....the last time i did any real coding was before the c++ symtax started changing`
`05:50.02`	`AntonTakk`	`syntax*`
`05:50.15`	`blubs`	`undrwater: ok an which of the two should I take -> gta01bv4-u-boot.bin -> gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin`
`05:51.23`	`mmontour`	`gta02v5 for a Freerunner, the other one for a Neo1973`
`05:51.26`	`undrwater`	`blubs: freerunner?`
`05:51.45`	`blubs`	`yes`
`05:52.15`	`undrwater`	`what mmontour said`
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`05:52.36`	`adsllc`	`AntonTakk: not sure what you're trying to say, but if you're asking where is strategic - I'd start by putting them just after the fgets() or fgetc() calls.`
`05:54.36`	`AntonTakk`	`adsllc: i'm not even sure what you mean by "using signals"........`
`05:54.53`	`adsllc`	`AntonTakk: I'd also put "errno=0" just before the fgets() or fgetc() calls.`
`05:55.10`	`blubs`	`undrwater: hmmm doenst seem to work`
`05:55.56`	`blubs`	`undrwater: http://pastebin.ca/1189153`
`05:56.17`	`adsllc`	`AntonTakk: Try adding "#include <errno.h>" at the top of the file, "errno=0" just before every fgets()/fgetc() call, and "perror(NULL)" just after every fgets()/fgetc() call.`
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`05:56.28`	`AntonTakk`	`ok`
`05:57.00`	`undrwater`	`blubs: you flashed gta01`
`05:57.19`	`adsllc`	`I'm assuming that your root problem is that fgets()/fgetc() are returning without getting the input you expect - adding this error checking code should give you an idea why.`
`05:57.19`	`undrwater`	`blubs: scroll up and read what mmontour said`
`05:57.50`	`blubs`	`undrwater: yes my falut i saw it sorry`
`05:57.59`	`blubs`	`now i did it`
`05:58.18`	`undrwater`	`congrats!`
`05:58.34`	`blubs`	`yes thats the output http://pastebin.ca/1189156`
`05:58.50`	`blubs`	`but i still see in the menu that it its uboot from may`
`05:58.53`	`blubs`	`ehy that ?`
`05:59.16`	`blubs`	`may 2008`
`05:59.30`	`undrwater`	`did you flash from nor or nand?`
`05:59.43`	`blubs`	`nand`
`05:59.58`	`blubs`	`http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_boot_loader_to_the_NAND`
`05:59.59`	`undrwater`	`hrm...`
`06:00.28`	`blubs`	`not good ?`
`06:00.31`	`undrwater`	`you might try the deb script`
`06:00.38`	`undrwater`	`possible it'll work now`
`06:00.46`	`undrwater`	`personally, i just modified my env`
`06:01.20`	`blubs`	`what do you mean by that ?`
`06:01.40`	`AntonTakk`	`adsllc: http://pastebin.com/d299be1b3`
`06:02.01`	`AntonTakk`	`that is honestly unhelpfull to me`
`06:02.05`	`undrwater`	`look up the wiki for how to flash qtopia...theres a section on how to boot from sd...including how to modify bootloader environment`
`06:02.08`	`AntonTakk`	`"Success" ??`
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`06:02.29`	`adsllc`	`What did you find?`
`06:02.59`	`AntonTakk`	`"success" printed in several places`
`06:03.06`	`blubs`	`undrwater: also worked fine http://pastebin.ca/1189160 how did you do that ?`
`06:03.44`	`blubs`	`undrwater: its still the same it cant boot and the uboot is from may 2008`
`06:04.19`	`undrwater`	`what's it doing / not doing?`
`06:04.35`	`blubs`	`its not booting into debian`
`06:04.37`	`blubs`	`it says`
`06:04.49`	`blubs`	`"wrong image format for bootm command"`
`06:05.04`	`blubs`	`ERROR: can't get kernel image!`
`06:05.29`	`adsllc`	`AntonTakk: My first fgets() trimmer was off-by-one, this one works: "while (strlen(str) && str[strlen(str)-1]=='\n') str[strlen(str)-1]=0;"`
`06:05.29`	`blubs`	`but the boot and root partitions are there i could mount it and also see the kernel image under 2008.8`
`06:05.43`	`AntonTakk`	`adsllc: thanks :)`
`06:05.46`	`blubs`	`i did it this way http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner`
`06:06.06`	`adsllc`	`AntonTakk: So it's skipping the Full Name input but asking for the Phone: input?`
`06:06.18`	`AntonTakk`	`seems so`
`06:07.00`	`adsllc`	`AntonTakk: I'm starting to think I'm going to need to see the whole code.`
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`06:07.42`	`undrwater`	`blubs: it's hard for me to help anymore from here...can you try to modify your uboot menu?`
`06:07.49`	`mmontour`	`blubs: make sure that you are booting from NAND u-boot (hold power button then Aux)`
`06:08.19`	`undrwater`	`blubs: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD`
`06:08.59`	`blubs`	`undrwater: ys i modified it with that http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/configure-uboot.sh`
`06:09.55`	`undrwater`	`did you try what mmontour suggested?`
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`06:10.22`	`AntonTakk`	`adsllc: http://pastebin.com/m23a53a04`
`06:11.46`	`blubs`	`just trying`
`06:12.11`	`blubs`	`why isnt it booting from the other boot menu ?`
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`06:13.58`	`blubs`	`undrwater: mmontour ?`
`06:14.18`	`undrwater`	`mmontour: blubs: make sure that you are booting from NAND u-boot (hold power button then Aux)`
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`06:14.52`	`blubs`	`yes i tried and it worked but why doesnt the other menu work ?`
`06:15.03`	`undrwater`	`nor? because it's read-only`
`06:15.07`	`mmontour`	`If you just flashed an updated u-boot, it gets written to NAND (so you have to boot from NAND to use it). The version that's in NOR is older and has some bugs`
`06:15.27`	`mmontour`	`Also it's read-only so you can't change the menu entries`
`06:15.37`	`blubs`	`and how do I update the nor ?`
`06:15.42`	`undrwater`	`you don't ;)`
`06:15.43`	`mmontour`	`with a debug board`
`06:15.46`	`blubs`	`oh btw debian looks great on it ;)`
`06:15.56`	`undrwater`	`ahh...wasn't aware that debug board could update nor`
`06:16.10`	`pabs3`	`thats the main point of the debug board isn't it?`
`06:16.15`	`blubs`	`mmontour: will this be necessary one ? will i need a debug board anyway ?`
`06:16.21`	`undrwater`	`pabs3: is it?`
`06:16.29`	`mmontour`	`unlikely, unless you like hacking on that sort of stuff`
`06:16.34`	`undrwater`	`oh...if you hose both bootloaders...right!`
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`06:17.01`	`mmontour`	`a debug board was more important with the Neo1973 because it didn't have the NOR backup copy of u-boot`
`06:17.59`	`pabs3`	`wonders if openmoko/fic would ever do a laptop`
`06:18.21`	`undrwater`	`open laptop?`
`06:18.22`	`lpotter`	`ha`
`06:19.32`	`undrwater`	`lpotter: says "ha"`
`06:19.32`	`AntonTakk`	`wonders if someone at om would still stubbornly refuse to put buttons on it ;)`
`06:20.15`	`undrwater`	`wants an ultralight tablet running on flash`
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`06:21.06`	`adsllc`	`AntonTakk: I can't get it to compile easily since I don't have all the libraries handy - but try replacing your fflush(stdout) calls with fflush(NULL)`
`06:22.04`	`AntonTakk`	`nope, same result`
`06:22.15`	`undrwater`	`hopes adsllc is around when he tries to finally pass c / c++ course`
`06:22.41`	`adsllc`	`Hey - I haven't solved anything yet...`
`06:22.53`	`undrwater`	`but you're very helpful and patient ;)`
`06:25.32`	`undrwater`	`latest fso is good`
`06:25.48`	`undrwater`	`haven't tried phone yet...but everything else is looking positive`
`06:26.04`	`AntonTakk`	`"latest" mwesters's ? testing or unstable?`
`06:26.14`	`undrwater`	`ahh yes, "testing"`
`06:26.40`	`AntonTakk`	`trying the phone stuff?`
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`06:26.47`	`sylar91`	`hi`
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`06:27.11`	`sylar91`	`I have a lot of problems with my neo freerunner, somebody could help me please?`
`06:27.26`	`adsllc`	`AntonTakk: I got it to compile and reproduced the problem - shouldn't be long now.`
`06:27.46`	`undrwater`	`AntonTakk: not yet...getting some packages installed first`
`06:28.17`	`sylar91`	`nobody could help me? :S`
`06:28.18`	`adsllc`	`AntonTakk: Found your problem!`
`06:28.31`	`mmontour`	`sylar91: check the wiki first for the common problems, then ask here if you've got something else`
`06:28.34`	`AntonTakk`	`i suck, right?`
`06:28.36`	`adsllc`	`You are using getchar() to get the "1" entry.`
`06:28.37`	`AntonTakk`	`;)`
`06:28.52`	`AntonTakk`	`uhu, and?`
`06:28.57`	`adsllc`	`But you have to type "1" then ENTER...`
`06:29.09`	`AntonTakk`	`oh`
`06:29.18`	`adsllc`	`The ENTER is waiting and winds up getting handled by your fgets()`
`06:29.30`	`AntonTakk`	`doh!`
`06:30.21`	`undrwater`	`AntonTakk: can't enter contacts :P`
`06:30.40`	`sylar91`	`I can't get gps working on openmoko 2008.8 update`
`06:30.41`	`AntonTakk`	`undrwater: not just yet anyways :)`
`06:31.02`	`undrwater`	`that's known, then?`
`06:31.40`	`sylar91`	`I can't get gps working... somebody could help me plz?`
`06:32.32`	`mmontour`	`check your config file, make sure it's using /dev/ttySAC1 as the gps device, and make sure it's powered on. I don't use 2008.8 so I don't know any other possibilities.`
`06:32.45`	`adsllc`	`AntonTakk: Fix it by adding "while (getchar()!='\n');" just after "Action = getchar();" to suck up the remaining input.`
`06:33.05`	`adsllc`	`Let me know when you've got it - 'cause then I'm going to bed!`
`06:33.16`	`dbmoodb`	`CVirus: ?`
`06:33.17`	`undrwater`	`sylar91: more info please :) what image?`
`06:33.30`	`sylar91`	`2008.8 update`
`06:33.31`	`dbmoodb`	`oops to high up`
`06:33.33`	`dbmoodb`	`(sorry)`
`06:33.39`	`dbmoodb`	`scrooling.`
`06:34.18`	`AntonTakk`	`adsllc: got it, thanks a million! :)`
`06:34.25`	`adsllc`	`Welcome - G'nite all!`
`06:34.30`	`sylar91`	`I have 2008.8 update`
`06:34.35`	`sylar91`	`and gps is not working`
`06:34.41`	`undrwater`	`sylar91: and what gps do you want to use?`
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`06:35.32`	`sylar91`	`th default one, "locations"`
`06:35.35`	`sylar91`	`*the`
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`06:36.06`	`undrwater`	`that's supposed to get gps started automatically...using it in open sky?`
`06:36.11`	`dbmoodb`	`locations is mad if you get gps working.`
`06:36.42`	`undrwater`	`sylar91: maybe your best bet is tango?`
`06:37.00`	`sylar91`	`yes but when I install a lot of sw I had opkg error 17`
`06:37.01`	`sylar91`	`oO`
`06:38.28`	`sylar91`	`what is error 17?`
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`06:39.50`	`undrwater`	`don't remember if i've seen that one`
`06:40.02`	`undrwater`	`did you search the lists?`
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`06:40.31`	`sylar91`	`now I installed succesfully tangogps (strange... no error 17 this time)`
`06:40.42`	`sylar91`	`tangogps says no gps found...`
`06:40.57`	`undrwater`	`install gpsd too`
`06:40.59`	`sylar91`	`but a minute ago strangly locations founded my position`
`06:41.00`	`sylar91`	`...`
`06:41.36`	`undrwater`	`well...it takes a while to get a fix if you're inside...which i gather you are since you're chatting in here ;)`
`06:41.52`	`sylar91`	`yes I'm in ssh`
`06:42.04`	`sylar91`	`root@om-gta02:~/SettingsGUI-svn/src# opkg install gpsd`
`06:42.04`	`sylar91`	`Installing gpsd (2.37-r0) to root...`
`06:42.04`	`sylar91`	`Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/gpsd_2.37-r0_armv4t.ipk`
`06:42.04`	`sylar91`	`An error ocurred, return value: 17.`
`06:42.14`	`sylar91`	`error 17... again`
`06:42.42`	`undrwater`	`opkg install gpsd -V 3`
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`06:43.32`	`sylar91`	`I have to copy the output to nopaste?`
`06:43.59`	`undrwater`	`any clues you can decipher?`
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`06:44.40`	`sylar91`	`it ends with`
`06:44.41`	`sylar91`	`Nothing to be done`
`06:44.41`	`sylar91`	`An error ocurred, return value: 17.`
`06:44.41`	`sylar91`	`hash_table[pkg-hash] n_buckets=0 n_elements=9249 max_conflicts=0 n_conflicts=0`
`06:44.41`	`sylar91`	`hash_table[file-hash] n_buckets=0 n_elements=17435 max_conflicts=0 n_conflicts=0`
`06:44.41`	`sylar91`	`hash_table[obs-file-hash] n_buckets=0 n_elements=0 max_conflicts=0 n_conflicts=0`
`06:44.42`	`sylar91`	`r`
`06:45.34`	`sylar91`	`what does it means?`
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`06:47.48`	`undrwater`	`sylar91: try to wget the file, then install locally`
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`06:51.20`	`sylar91`	`root@om-gta02:/var/volatile/tmp/exp# wget http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/gpsd_2.37-r0_armv4t.ipk`
`06:51.22`	`sylar91`	`Connecting to www.angstrom-distribution.org (85.214.40.226:80)`
`06:51.22`	`sylar91`	`gpsd_2.37-r0_armv4t. 100% \|*******************************\| 17650 00:00:00 ETA`
`06:51.22`	`sylar91`	`root@om-gta02:/var/volatile/tmp/exp# opkg install gpsd_2.37-r0_armv4t.ipk`
`06:51.22`	`sylar91`	`Multiple packages (gpsd and gpsd) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest.`
`06:51.24`	`sylar91`	`Installing gpsd (2.37-r0) to root...`
`06:51.26`	`sylar91`	`An error ocurred, return value: 17.`
`06:51.28`	`sylar91`	`same error`
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`06:52.05`	`undrwater`	`have you done opkg update recently?`
`06:52.11`	`sylar91`	`yes`
`06:52.17`	`sylar91`	`I have some 404 error`
`06:52.21`	`sylar91`	`with armstrong repos`
`06:52.27`	`undrwater`	`angstrom?`
`06:52.41`	`sylar91`	`lol yes`
`06:52.50`	`undrwater`	`try -nodeps...just for kicks`
`06:53.03`	`sylar91`	`It seems that all angstrom packages get me the 17 error`
`06:53.16`	`sylar91`	`but openmoko default repos installs without problems`
`06:54.02`	`undrwater`	`yeah...there is some talk of that in the lists...it's why i'm using FSO now`
`06:54.04`	`sylar91`	`no , with -nodeps the same error occurres`
`06:54.12`	`undrwater`	`then i'm tapped out ;)`
`06:54.41`	`sylar91`	`lol, what can I do? oO because for error 17 I can't install pidgin, and a lot of other interesting things...`
`06:56.02`	`sylar91`	`ps: tangogps doesn't recognise the gps...`
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`06:56.42`	`undrwater`	`sylar91: yep...you need gpsd installed ;)`
`06:56.56`	`undrwater`	`try opkg list_installed \| grep gpsd`
`06:57.08`	`sylar91`	`but why then "location" find me with gps? oO`
`06:57.28`	`undrwater`	`location doesn't use gpsd`
`06:57.30`	`sylar91`	`no gpsd installed, because error 17....`
`06:57.31`	`rwhitby`	`why would you be getting gpsd from angstrom? which distro are you using?`
`06:57.41`	`sylar91`	`2008.8 update`
`06:57.51`	`undrwater`	`how is gtk theme set?`
`06:58.08`	`sylar91`	`the gtk theme? sorry I can't understand...`
`06:58.09`	`sylar91`	`...`
`06:58.13`	`rwhitby`	`sylar91: and 2008.8 feeds don't have tangogps and gpsd in them?`
`06:58.37`	`sylar91`	`when I try opkg install gpsd it downloads from angstrom`
`06:58.40`	`sylar91`	`...`
`06:58.42`	`dbmoodb`	`oooooooo zphone got an update ...`
`06:58.49`	`rwhitby`	`sylar91: why do you have angstrom feeds enabled?`
`06:58.53`	`dbmoodb`	`any fixes of note ?`
`06:59.01`	`undrwater`	`dbmoodb: zhone?`
`06:59.13`	`sylar91`	`Because I wanted pidgin and there isn't in the default feeds`
`06:59.15`	`rwhitby`	`sylar91: that's surely something you've done yourself, cause the default images don't reference angstrom`
`06:59.19`	`dbmoodb`	`ah what ever it is`
`06:59.42`	`sylar91`	`so I have to remove angstrom repos?`
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`06:59.55`	`rwhitby`	`so comment out the angstrom feed configs, then opkg install gpsd, then re-enable them to install pidgin`
`07:00.01`	`dbmoodb`	`rwhitby: your involved in fso no ?`
`07:00.07`	`Zoup`	`how can i set om2007 to 'ring only' or 'vibrate only' profile ?`
`07:00.18`	`sylar91`	`the porblem is that pidgin doesn't install because I get error 17 for all angstrom's softwares...`
`07:00.27`	`rwhitby`	`dbmoodb: I maintain the autobuilder on shr.bearstech.com, and use FSO on a GTA01, and have contributed some patches ...`
`07:00.54`	`mmontour`	`damnit, my battery isn't draining fast enough`
`07:00.57`	`dbmoodb`	`ok. was going to recommend that next time a kernel is build for it to make tons of modules and then load none. -- mainly for debian i suppose.`
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`07:01.22`	`dbmoodb`	`like some usb modules.`
`07:01.23`	`rwhitby`	`dbmoodb: debian should build their own kernel`
`07:01.31`	`dbmoodb`	`rwhitby: perhaps.`
`07:01.36`	`sylar91`	`now I commented angstrom and typed "opkg update"`
`07:01.53`	`sylar91`	`I get some 404 errors...`
`07:02.04`	`rwhitby`	`dbmoodb: you can't mix and kernel config from one distro with a rootfs from another distro, and expect it to work`
`07:02.21`	`dbmoodb`	`:)`
`07:02.31`	`sylar91`	`Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.sig`
`07:02.33`	`sylar91`	`Signature check failed`
`07:02.33`	`sylar91`	`Collected errors:`
`07:02.33`	`sylar91`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:02.33`	`sylar91`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:02.33`	`sylar91`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:02.34`	`sylar91`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:02.36`	`sylar91`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:02.41`	`undrwater`	`rwhitby: FSO feeling fantastic`
`07:02.45`	`dbmoodb`	`~pastebin`
`07:02.46`	`apt`	`[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste`
`07:02.55`	`sylar91`	`sorry...`
`07:02.59`	`dbmoodb`	`yerah i second that`
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`07:03.05`	`rwhitby`	`Geez - isn't the .sig stuff documented as a FAQ on the wiki yet?`
`07:03.13`	`dbmoodb`	`just need right click.`
`07:03.15`	`EA2009`	`hello everyone.`
`07:03.24`	`rwhitby`	`sylar91: where would you expect to see the answer to your problem on the wiki? where would you look first?`
`07:03.30`	`dbmoodb`	`for copy / paste thing for numbers.`
`07:03.35`	`EA2009`	`I was wondering if someone could help me with a problem...`
`07:03.50`	`undrwater`	`rwhitby: it was there...should still be`
`07:03.51`	`EA2009`	`gcc-cross-initial keeps crashing when I build.`
`07:03.57`	`sylar91`	`gps not working? :D`
`07:04.36`	`rwhitby`	`EA2009: that's all the context you're going to give?`
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`07:05.18`	`EA2009`	`hold on, I have to copy the error exactly.`
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`07:05.34`	`rwhitby`	`EA2009: a pastebin I hope :-)`
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`07:06.09`	`rwhitby`	`checks if pidgin builds on the fso autobuilder ...`
`07:06.25`	`EA2009`	`I'm so sorry, whats a pastebin?`
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`07:06.50`	`dbmoodb`	`~pastebin`
`07:06.51`	`apt`	`[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste`
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`07:08.10`	`sylar91`	`the neo is fantastic :D`
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`07:09.56`	`undrwater`	`grrr...anyone know where gtk themes are set?`
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`07:14.14`	`abraxa_`	`undrwater: On 2007.2 or in general?`
`07:14.43`	`undrwater`	`abraxa_: well...on FSO...but maybe in general...`
`07:15.07`	`undrwater`	`FSO uses some gtk apps such as calc and tangogps`
`07:15.17`	`undrwater`	`look pretty ugly ;)`
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`07:16.54`	`EA2009`	`rwhitby: I feel like such a newb, I forgot where the log is kept from each build.`
`07:17.03`	`abraxa_`	`undrwater: http://www.hackenberger.at/blog/gentoo-guides/how-to-apply-a-theme-to-gtk-apps-without-having-gnome-installed/`
`07:17.24`	`undrwater`	`thanks abraxa_`
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`07:22.42`	`dufflebunk`	`Bah, I broke my phone. Probably some update from the angstrom repository.`
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`07:27.08`	`vililikku`	`hello`
`07:27.15`	`dufflebunk`	`Anyone have any suggestions about tracking down what I should downgrade when enlightenment crashes?`
`07:27.19`	`dufflebunk`	`Hello vililikku`
`07:27.24`	`TeLLuS`	`Someone had problem with no keyboard using.. "4. added export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia" reverse this and restart and it would probably come back again..`
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`07:28.35`	`vililikku`	`i have rows http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/41789/ in my config file /etc/network/interaces, and I restart my network (/etc/init.d/networking restart), comes this error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/41791/. I'm using Debian unstable with the latest updates`
`07:28.42`	`vililikku`	`and i have neo 1973`
`07:29.37`	`vililikku`	`and i have installed the FSO to my phone`
`07:29.37`	`AntonTakk`	`undrwater: how's the phone functions of the image youre using work?`
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`07:30.10`	`undrwater`	`AntonTakk: haven't tested...i will...just for you ;)`
`07:30.19`	`AntonTakk`	`heh`
`07:31.27`	`undrwater`	`wifi is hugely improved over 08`
`07:31.41`	`undrwater`	`maybe networking in general`
`07:31.49`	`AntonTakk`	`is back using his motorola razr because he can't get any of the images he wants to use to work :-`
`07:32.22`	`undrwater`	`i use the fr sometimes on the weekends....but never if i'm driving`
`07:32.39`	`Zoup`	`undrwater: how does wifi improved over 08 ?`
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`07:33.15`	`undrwater`	`Zoup: i used to get dropped from my AP a lot in 08...also, it was really slow`
`07:33.16`	`Cooldude1922`	`hi.`
`07:33.36`	`AntonTakk`	`well, i think i'm about to head off to bed`
`07:33.45`	`undrwater`	`what shall i test?`
`07:34.01`	`undrwater`	`already registered upon bootup`
`07:34.22`	`AntonTakk`	`making/receiving calls, particularly with reguard to the ui responding properly`
`07:34.38`	`undrwater`	`no sound`
`07:35.40`	`dbmoodb`	`qtopia ok ?`
`07:36.33`	`undrwater`	`ok...phone sucks :P`
`07:36.34`	`undrwater`	`:D`
`07:36.36`	`TeLLuS`	`undrwater: wifi work fine in 2008.8 for me..`
`07:37.06`	`AntonTakk`	`need to find a working c example of adding contacts to evolution`
`07:37.32`	`undrwater`	`AntonTakk: ooohhh!! :D`
`07:37.34`	`TeLLuS`	`undrwater: I just added a resolvconf file so I don't have to put in the dns manually all the time..`
`07:37.41`	`undrwater`	`why can't they do it with xml??`
`07:37.42`	`dbmoodb`	`mmm does 2008.8 read contacts properly now ?`
`07:37.50`	`AntonTakk`	`undrwater: ? do what?`
`07:37.59`	`undrwater`	`contacts`
`07:38.33`	`undrwater`	`TeLLuS: maybe that's why i was having trouble with 08...but i didn't put anything manually except essid`
`07:39.03`	`undrwater`	`can't contacts be read from an xml file? or is it about security?`
`07:39.11`	`TeLLuS`	`undrwater: I just select the ssid in setting and it connects.`
`07:39.38`	`AntonTakk`	`undrwater: no, i'm venturing to start writing some improved apps for fso`
`07:39.59`	`undrwater`	`TeLLuS: what did you put in the resolv.conf?`
`07:40.02`	`TeLLuS`	`dbmoodb: Properly like what? Only get them from the sim..`
`07:40.04`	`undrwater`	`or did you just touch it`
`07:40.06`	`AntonTakk`	`contacts, calendar, phone, "today" type app`
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`07:40.29`	`TeLLuS`	`undrwater: Nothing, it's updated from the dhcp-client`
`07:40.33`	`undrwater`	`AntonTakk: ahhh...using source from other apps? or reinventing wheel?`
`07:40.58`	`undrwater`	`TeLLuS: undrwater: I just added a resolvconf file so I don't have to put in the dns manually all the time..`
`07:40.58`	`AntonTakk`	`undrwater: except in c and with edje, using example source where ever i can and it makes sense`
`07:41.15`	`dbmoodb`	`yeah only from sim`
`07:41.22`	`dbmoodb`	`i don't trust it to get them any other way`
`07:42.02`	`undrwater`	`AntonTakk: work week view in calendar, please ;)`
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`07:42.30`	`AntonTakk`	`undrwater: yeah, should be able to do anything that evo can do`
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`07:42.58`	`dbmoodb`	`pft except use the evolution files`
`07:43.01`	`dbmoodb`	`epic fail.`
`07:43.05`	`dbmoodb`	`in my opinion.`
`07:43.10`	`undrwater`	`TeLLuS: so you added resolvconf file?`
`07:43.21`	`EA2009`	`rwhitby: http://paste.debian.net/15994`
`07:43.45`	`AntonTakk`	`dbmoodb: explain?`
`07:44.01`	`dbmoodb`	`AntonTakk: well when ever i try to move my contacts on to the damn thing it doesn't work`
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`07:44.17`	`dbmoodb`	`+ i can add to the calendar without any problems -- which is rather neat`
`07:44.18`	`TeLLuS`	`undrwater: Yes, touch /etc/resolvconf/run/enable-updates ; cd /etc ; rm resolv.conf ; ln -s /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf`
`07:44.43`	`undrwater`	`TeLLuS: is that from wiki? or lists?`
`07:44.54`	`sylar91`	`hi`
`07:45.09`	`AntonTakk`	`undrwater: only problem is i have /never/ written a gui app before, /never/ used c, /never/ done oop, and /never/ done anything more complicated than multiplying 3d matrices :) so i only have a couple small hurdles :-\`
`07:45.39`	`undrwater`	`i'll be happy to beta test next year ;)`
`07:45.47`	`AntonTakk`	`hehe`
`07:45.49`	`sylar91`	`I have midori installed on 2008.8 update but it isn't good for me, what could I install? i need an ajax browser with adaptation to the small screen`
`07:46.05`	`EA2009`	`can anyone help me?`
`07:46.37`	`TeLLuS`	`undrwater: Ehm, well got a hint on the wiki, but it did not tell exactly how.. on the om2008.8 page.. "we should probably use resolvconf"`
`07:46.59`	`undrwater`	`TeLLuS: you should update the wiki then ;)`
`07:47.17`	`undrwater`	`lots of folks come in here asking "how to wifi??"`
`07:47.38`	`dbmoodb`	`undrwater: for good reason there is no gui`
`07:47.48`	`dbmoodb`	`"working" except on debian with network manager`
`07:47.54`	`EA2009`	`lol, no, I'm talking about why glibc wont work.`
`07:48.06`	`admiral0`	`sylar91: Minimo`
`07:48.25`	`undrwater`	`dbmoodb: but TeLLuS got it to work for him`
`07:48.41`	`undrwater`	`TeLLuS: wpa? wep?`
`07:48.42`	`dbmoodb`	`on 2008.8 gui ?`
`07:48.50`	`sylar91`	`minimo? opkg install minimo?`
`07:48.52`	`dbmoodb`	`i tried it it fails on my aes wpa2 network.`
`07:49.08`	`TeLLuS`	`EA2009: configure: error: C preprocessor "arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -E" fails sanity check`
`07:49.30`	`EA2009`	`yeah, why? and how do I fix it?`
`07:49.30`	`admiral0`	`sylar91: not so easy`
`07:49.36`	`admiral0`	`search on the wiki`
`07:50.12`	`admiral0`	`yu'll find it in the 2007 section if i remember well`
`07:50.48`	`undrwater`	`sylar91: apparently midori on debian is quite nice`
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`07:51.19`	`dbmoodb`	`ah whats midori ?`
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`07:51.40`	`sylar91`	`i'm on om 2008.8 update`
`07:51.59`	`vililikku`	`dbmoodb: http://www.twotoasts.de/`
`07:52.44`	`dbmoodb`	`oh`
`07:53.16`	`admiral0i`	`sylar91:don't worry`
`07:53.24`	`dbmoodb`	`is the freeruner agps or gps -- works without gsm ?`
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`07:53.59`	`undrwater`	`woohoo!!`
`07:54.07`	`TeLLuS`	`undrwater: Did only test this on a open one, since dhcp should not care about the encryption.. I have not looked at the "can only connect once" problem yet..`
`07:54.54`	`undrwater`	`ok`
`07:55.09`	`TeLLuS`	`dbmoodb: Works without gsm, you should read the faq..`
`07:55.24`	`dbmoodb`	`did that already`
`07:55.24`	`dns53`	`dbmoodb agps means normal gps plus the possability of being assisted`
`07:55.36`	`dbmoodb`	`no asyncronous ?`
`07:56.02`	`dns53`	`it takes the normal time to get a fix but you can help it if you have some extra data to assist it`
`07:56.51`	`dbmoodb`	`k cool i thought it was like that -- some guy asked at a lug`
`07:58.04`	`soltys`	`can somebody tell me why after upgrade to om2008.8 testing the AUX button does nothing? (do not lock/unlock te screen) ?`
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`07:58.47`	`hipitihop`	`waves at the residents`
`07:59.03`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1907: [opkg sources.lst] point to buildhost ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1907 )`
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`07:59.38`	`undrwater`	`resident waves back`
`08:00.19`	`Zorkman`	`I mexicam wave back!`
`08:01.03`	`undrwater`	`welcome back...couldn't sleep?`
`08:01.12`	`hipitihop`	`so what's the hotest news on the block`
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`08:02.27`	`Zorkman`	`pyneo?`
`08:02.42`	`Bill_`	`good morning indeed...`
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`08:02.49`	`Zorkman`	`and somebody is trying to figure out a way to save gps data a tthe end of a session to speed up start-up`
`08:02.59`	`hipitihop`	`Zorkman, has that had a release`
`08:03.01`	`sylar91`	`what is pyneo?`
`08:03.14`	`Zorkman`	`and they found a command for the GSM chipset to do echo surpression gsm echo`
`08:03.28`	`Zorkman`	`hipitihop: no, still proof of concept phase`
`08:03.28`	`undrwate1`	`hello from`
`08:03.35`	`Zorkman`	`sylar91: http://pyneo.org/`
`08:03.49`	`hipitihop`	`hmm gsm echo supression, that is progress`
`08:03.52`	`undrwate1`	`moko`
`08:04.10`	`Zorkman`	`and mickeyl said the new realistic ETA of fso milsetone 3 is 05.09`
`08:04.23`	`Zorkman`	`llo undrwate1's moko :)`
`08:04.53`	`Bill_`	`yeah.. with echo suppression we onl have to hope that j0erg figures out some nice solution for gsm interference too and then there would be only major software issues`
`08:05.10`	`sylar91`	`oh my god!!! gsm doesn't work.. what I have done wrong? oO`
`08:05.14`	`Zorkman`	`*only one we KNOW of atm :)`
`08:05.18`	`undrwate1`	`this keyboard rocks`
`08:05.29`	`hipitihop`	`Zorkman, ms 3 is has something one does not see with updates ?`
`08:05.50`	`sylar91`	`ehi is there a gui app for see the battery status on asu?`
`08:06.05`	`undrwater`	`not too bad...`
`08:06.17`	`undrwater`	`raster's predictive kb is great`
`08:06.23`	`hipitihop`	`undrwater, are you on fr ?`
`08:06.36`	`undrwater`	`hipitihop: i was as undrwate1`
`08:06.47`	`rwhitby`	`hipitihop: unstable updates should match progress towards mileston3`
`08:06.58`	`rwhitby`	`testing will lag until it's ready`
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`08:07.41`	`hipitihop`	`hello rwhitby , how was tokyo`
`08:09.09`	`hipitihop`	`notes lots of 2008.8 updates coming through today`
`08:11.08`	`Zoup`	`my om2007 clock is not synced with 'date' clock , what can i do ?`
`08:11.14`	`Zorkman`	`undrwater: did you use rasters kb? or could you make it work on 2008.8-upgrade?`
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`08:11.25`	`undrwater`	`Zorkman: i'm on FSO right now`
`08:11.33`	`hipitihop`	`so is illume-config-illume included yet ? I want rasters keyboard on my 2008.8`
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`08:12.06`	`undrwater`	`raster said "if you want raster's keyboard, you can't get it on 2008 qtopia, or deb`
`08:12.08`	`undrwater`	`"`
`08:12.11`	`Zorkman`	`hipitihop: i installed illume-config-illume yesterday`
`08:12.14`	`Zorkman`	`id didn't do shit...`
`08:12.42`	`hipitihop`	`:(`
`08:12.54`	`Zorkman`	`undrwater: when did he say that? he wrote mails about hopw to enable it on 2008.8-upgraded and I used it on 2008.8`
`08:13.49`	`undrwater`	`he told me here last night`
`08:14.01`	`undrwater`	`maybe it's just to keep ppl from asking`
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`08:14.48`	`sylar91`	`ehi! is there an... "force shutdown device method", it is noisly to remove the battery every time`
`08:15.04`	`Zorkman`	`sylar91: press and hold the power button?`
`08:15.12`	`Zorkman`	`sylar91: or "reboot"`
`08:15.25`	`sylar91`	`no, the system crashed and I had to shut down the phone`
`08:15.36`	`Zorkman`	`aha, then you're stuck with removing the batt :)`
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`08:15.47`	`undrwater`	`sylar91: isn't this fun??`
`08:16.00`	`sylar91`	`... there isn't other ways faster?`
`08:16.13`	`undrwater`	`throw it in the pool?`
`08:16.24`	`sylar91`	`lol`
`08:16.42`	`undrwater`	`i usually keep the back off of the phone`
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`08:17.06`	`viq`	`Let the battery discharge? ;)`
`08:17.08`	`undrwater`	`so many battery pulls...even to test sim card, or change out SD`
`08:17.12`	`sylar91`	`lol`
`08:17.17`	`undrwater`	`viq: that's faster!`
`08:17.21`	`sylar91`	`ahahah`
`08:18.02`	`sylar91`	`the boot is so loooong`
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`08:18.35`	`Zorkman`	`sylar91: that's why I would like a joke/riddle/quote everytime the phone boots :)`
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`08:18.42`	`Zorkman`	`*a random one`
`08:18.48`	`sylar91`	`....`
`08:19.22`	`undrwater`	`Zorkman: fortune`
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`08:19.37`	`sylar91`	`but I'm the only person who is trying to use freerunner as a normal phone for every day usage?`
`08:19.43`	`sylar91`	`(sorry for my bad english :D )`
`08:20.06`	`undrwater`	`sylar91: no you're not...but if you actually get it working as one...you'll then be the only one ;)`
`08:20.25`	`sylar91`	`:D`
`08:20.26`	`undrwater`	`sylar91: have you tried qtopia?`
`08:20.26`	`hipitihop`	`chuckles at undrwater`
`08:20.39`	`sylar91`	`no`
`08:20.45`	`sylar91`	`but I like 2008.8..`
`08:20.56`	`sylar91`	`in qtopia many softwares doesn't runs`
`08:21.12`	`sylar91`	`*run`
`08:21.21`	`sylar91`	`(lol)`
`08:22.07`	`hipitihop`	`a tone of qtopia upgrades coming through to day on 2008`
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`08:23.18`	`undrwater`	`hipitihop: example?`
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`08:24.39`	`hipitihop`	`undrwater, just many many packages upgraded today including qtopia-phone-x11-libqtcore etc`
`08:26.30`	`TeLLuS`	`undrwater: more updates, e-wm exquisite hal libetk-engines-evas qtopia-phone-x11 qtopia-phone-x11-composer-emailcomposer qtopia-phone-x11-libqtcore qtopia-phone-x11-qtmail`
`08:26.40`	`hipitihop`	`hehe and now that it finished I get an serious enlightnement error, guess it time to reboot`
`08:28.25`	`hipitihop`	`is there a cli command to see battery status ?`
`08:28.46`	`hipitihop`	`and what is the best battery ui for 2008 upgraded`
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`08:30.02`	`Zorkman`	`batmon?`
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`08:32.44`	`TeLLuS`	`undrwater: Now I have set up wpa on my dd-wrt linksys, neo and tested it.. Works fine, it also use different DHCPserver and settings then on my other wireless-network.. only providing the wpa password..`
`08:33.29`	`hipitihop`	`Zorkman, have link to batmon, I'll lok up myselfif nothing handy`
`08:34.03`	`Zorkman`	`http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/batmon/batmon.py`
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`08:34.11`	`Zorkman`	`ieatlint made it`
`08:35.20`	`TeLLuS`	`undrwater: Asked yesterday if there is a reason why we not ship with this setting in place already... And I got no answer.`
`08:36.19`	`hipitihop`	`Zorkman, sorry for being a noob, downloaded it but how do I run it`
`08:36.33`	`Zorkman`	`np hipitihop`
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`08:37.06`	`Zorkman`	`just type batmon.py`
`08:37.07`	`sylar91`	`it is known that after resume in 2008.8 update the audio doesn't run?`
`08:38.05`	`hipitihop`	`Zorkman, I tried that but got permission denied, so I tried 'chmod a+x batmon.py' now eh I run it complains about line 16 in module import gtk.`
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`08:38.49`	`Zorkman`	`maybe you need to install some python stuff`
`08:38.53`	`Zorkman`	`what is the exact error emssage?`
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`08:39.37`	`hipitihop`	`zorkman, Traceback (most recent call last):`
`08:39.38`	`hipitihop`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:40.59`	`Zorkman`	`hipitihop: try opkg install python python-pygtk`
`08:42.01`	`Zorkman`	`maybe you wiull also need to install python-pygobject`
`08:43.20`	`hipitihop`	`I always had it on my list to try my hand a python so quickly running out of excuses (I'm a old smalltalker by trade)`
`08:43.40`	`Zorkman`	`:)`
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`08:45.39`	`hipitihop`	`hmm, installed those, still get error, this time: import gtk`
`08:45.39`	`hipitihop`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:45.39`	`hipitihop`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:45.40`	`hipitihop`	`NameError: name 'init' is not defined`
`08:45.52`	`hipitihop`	`sorry for flooding channel`
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`08:48.41`	`Zorkman`	`np hipitihop, you have to edit the file`
`08:49.06`	`Zorkman`	`hipitihop: change __init__.py, line 82, change "init" to "_init".`
`08:49.29`	`Zorkman`	`I mean, open /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py, go to line 82 and change "init" to "_init"`
`08:51.41`	`Zorkman`	`i'm wondering why they still haven't fixed that one...`
`08:51.46`	`hipitihop`	`Zorkman, bugger I ghave to go, have a trivia night to attend. will do this when I return. thanks for the assist.`
`08:51.56`	`Zorkman`	`np, it'll work, trust me :)`
`08:52.25`	`hipitihop`	`:-) sorry to get help and run... damn life constanntly interfering ;-)`
`08:53.32`	`Zoup`	`Om2007 is unable to get all of my contact from sim card , what to do ?`
`08:54.01`	`TeLLuS`	`Zoup: upgrade?`
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`08:56.17`	`Zoup`	`TeLLuS: i don't want to upgrade to om2008 , om2008 is very unstable`
`08:56.18`	`TeLLuS`	`undrwater: Seems like /lib/resolvconf/list-records is also needed..`
`08:58.01`	`TeLLuS`	`Zoup: Unstable how? I been using it for a few days now.. seems ok. Only hardlocked once when I messed about with the keyboard..`
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`08:58.50`	`undrwater`	`TeLLuS: i'd appreciate if you put that at least on the talk portion of the wiki`
`08:58.56`	`TeLLuS`	`Need a fix for the caller echo, but I have not tested the new setting posted..`
`08:59.08`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1908: [python bindings] can't start settings on the testing image ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1908 )`
`08:59.41`	`Zorkman`	`TeLLuS: there is a better way`
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`08:59.54`	`TeLLuS`	`undrwater: I'l do that now, so other can test this..`
`08:59.55`	`Zorkman`	`somebody found out about an AT command to do echo surpression`
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`09:01.38`	`dolf1074`	`Can the battery discharge completely with the kernel of the om2008.8 update or am I safe?`
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`09:03.16`	`Zorkman`	`don't know dolf1074, andy posted somewhere that it would be ok, but a few days ago my batt was at 0.0% (but it didn't shut down, I wasjust in time to plug it in I think)`
`09:03.29`	`Zorkman`	`(at least the FR said it was at 0.0%)`
`09:03.55`	`TAsn`	`Zorkman, it may be lying so you will think it's done though you will have more time to charge`
`09:04.03`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1909: [tichy] package still not in the package feed ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1909 )`
`09:04.41`	`Zorkman`	`I know TAsn, that's why I added that it was what my FR said it to be :)`
`09:05.13`	`TAsn`	`i know that's why you said it. :)`
`09:07.39`	`TeLLuS`	`Zorkman: Any reference on what to do? Seems it is not in the case http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267`
`09:08.03`	`Zorkman`	`give me a sec`
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`09:08.43`	`Zorkman`	`TeLLuS: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/028495.html`
`09:10.19`	`dolf1074`	`I can start my device in NOR without a battery. So I'm theoretical safe against the battery empty issue? I just have to start my device in NOR and put my battery in, when my software is loaded. Am I correct?`
`09:14.50`	`TeLLuS`	`Zorkman: Thanks, Was just about to read that thread, testing..`
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`09:25.14`	`dolf1074`	`apparently: http://n2.nabble.com/Empty-battery%2C-unbootable-Neo-tp792982p793719.html`
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`09:46.49`	`tomboy64`	`when i do opkg upgrade i get http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.sig`
`09:46.57`	`tomboy64`	`but this results in a 404-error`
`09:47.01`	`tomboy64`	`the file's not there`
`09:47.28`	`Zoup`	`tomboy64: its not important`
`09:47.36`	`tomboy64`	`it's not?`
`09:47.41`	`tomboy64`	`why?`
`09:48.12`	`Zoup`	`tomboy64: they are not using sig files, yet`
`09:49.03`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1910: Run the build host ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1910 )`
`09:49.25`	`tomboy64`	`oh`
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`09:51.25`	`Zoup`	`tomboy64: vi`
`09:51.39`	`tomboy64`	`head -> keyboard`
`09:51.45`	`tomboy64`	`tried vim time and again :-\|`
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`09:53.03`	`PBeck`	`ahoi`
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`09:54.03`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1911: Implement libframeworkd-glib ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1911 )`
`09:54.03`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1912: port 2007.2 dialer2 (now dialer3) to use ophoned instead ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1912 )`
`09:54.03`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1913: port 2007.2 gsm-panel apps to use ophoned instead. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1913 )`
`09:54.03`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1914: switch media player to use alsa directly ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1914 )`
`09:59.03`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1915: verify porting of pulseaudio related apps from 2007.2 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1915 )`
`09:59.03`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1916: get neod workalike that uses ophoned to determine if you're on a call ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1916 )`
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`10:04.05`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1917: Test & label good SHR releases ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1917 )`
`10:04.05`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1918: Identify packages to go into SHR. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1918 )`
`10:04.05`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1919: Identify differences between FSO & 2007.2 that need investigation. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1919 )`
`10:04.05`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1920: Integrate mwester's pulseaudio resume fix into SHR. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1920 )`
`10:04.37`	`tomboy64`	`uhm`
`10:04.52`	`tomboy64`	`could someone point me to the location where the wpa passphrases are stored?`
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`10:07.54`	`TeLLuS`	`Added "NOTE: Solution: Steps to add missing resolvconf script: " To make it pick up dns from dhcp when using wifi. https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8#Known_Issues`
`10:09.03`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1921: Create messages3 as a copy of 2007.2's messages2 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1921 )`
`10:09.03`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1922: port messages3 to use libframework-glib ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1922 )`
`10:09.03`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1923: Create contacts3 as a copy of 2007.2's contacts2 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1923 )`
`10:09.03`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1924: port contacts3 to use libframework-glib ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1924 )`
`10:09.06`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1925: Make ophonekitd switch the sound over to gsmhandset ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1925 )`
`10:09.09`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1926: port dialer2's journal to dialer3/ophonekitd/libframework-glib ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1926 )`
`10:14.53`	`lloyd_fedora`	`installed 'illume-config' but theres no icon on the top bar .. restarted .. but nothing .. using 2008.8 update`
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`10:37.42`	`Dave`	`\o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/`
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`10:43.22`	`tomboy64`	`what does it mean if the aux-button glows red?`
`10:43.38`	`dolf1074`	`there are aliens in your house`
`10:43.42`	`dolf1074`	`no, i don't know`
`10:43.57`	`Dave`	`Usually that the device is charging.`
`10:44.03`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1927: Login problem ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1927 )`
`10:44.04`	`Dave`	`Nothing to worry about.`
`10:44.13`	`dolf1074`	`I first though, it was red when is it charching, but that's not always truth`
`10:44.33`	`Dave`	`Well, it's true, but it's kind of fucked up :D`
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`10:54.55`	`Dave`	`uh oh`
`10:55.13`	`Dave`	`Looks like italy is awake :p`
`10:57.19`	`TAsn`	`Dave, i just noticed you are here 24/7 ;)`
`10:57.25`	`lloyd_fedora`	`anyone using 2008.8 update`
`10:59.14`	`TeLLuS`	`lloyd_fedora: yes`
`10:59.35`	`dolf1074`	`yes`
`10:59.50`	`lloyd_fedora`	`TeLLuS: is illume-config workin for u`
`11:02.16`	`TeLLuS`	`lloyd_fedora: I'm using the included keyboard if that is what you mean. But also reenabled the qwerty button on the left meny.`
`11:02.24`	`Dave`	`sssh :P`
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`11:03.44`	`lloyd_fedora`	`TeLLuS: what bout the app that lets u tweak illume .. scroll speed etc`
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`11:05.34`	`TeLLuS`	`lloyd_fedora: Have not used it. Trying to find a device name for the modem.. to get rid if the echo..`
`11:05.54`	`alx____`	`I'm still not sure how to switch on the OpenMoko (om2008.8 update), and it's not written on the wiki :/ lomg push or short push on the power button?`
`11:05.58`	`Dave`	`tassassins`
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`11:06.26`	`alx____`	`http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner oups, sorry :)`
`11:06.52`	`alx____`	`why 8 seconds? could it be improved?`
`11:08.00`	`lloyd_fedora`	`alx____: long push .. is it 8 secs .. doesn't feel like it :-)`
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`11:09.55`	`TeLLuS`	`I think 8secs is just to be sure if someone is counting really fast.. :)`
`11:10.09`	`alx____`	`:D`
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`11:22.30`	`Openfree`	`hi, do we still have to partition (vfat + ext2), when boot from SD card using U-Boot`
`11:23.14`	`Dave`	`yes`
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`11:28.42`	`Openfree`	`can we have only one ext (eliminate vfat partition), i know qi can work without vfat`
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`11:29.02`	`Dave`	`Unsure`
`11:29.08`	`Dave`	`I haven't done it myself :)`
`11:30.14`	`Openfree`	`seems there is a patch can do it, but i haven't tried yet`
`11:31.48`	`SiNiESTrO`	`Dave: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card#Add_uboot_boot_entry`
`11:32.03`	`SiNiESTrO`	`I'm sorry, Openfree: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card#Add_uboot_boot_entry`
`11:32.04`	`SiNiESTrO`	`xd`
`11:32.40`	`Dave`	`:P`
`11:32.48`	`Openfree`	`SiNiESTr0, i'm reading this now~ @@`
`11:32.49`	`Dave`	`woo`
`11:33.17`	`Dave`	`apt nickometer SiNiESTrO`
`11:33.22`	`Dave`	`huhu :P`
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`11:33.44`	`SiNiESTrO`	`nickometer? xd`
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`11:34.42`	`Dave`	`yeah`
`11:34.46`	`Dave`	`IT SHOWS YOU HOW LAME YOU ARE!`
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`11:35.54`	`harnir`	`hi guys! :-)`
`11:36.36`	`lloyd_fedora`	`hey`
`11:36.55`	`SiNiESTrO`	`and It get the info from my nickname... totally empirical, yes...`
`11:36.56`	`SiNiESTrO`	`:)`
`11:37.39`	`spydon`	`apt nickometer CIA-22`
`11:37.54`	`viq`	`apt nickometer spydon`
`11:37.58`	`toxx_`	`hi! I am not up to date on the status of any OM software on the Neo1973: Is there a image yet with reliable sleep and reliable phone support? To switch to a neo as a day-to-day phone? If not, is there one for the freerunner?`
`11:38.00`	`viq`	`heh`
`11:38.07`	`spydon`	`^^`
`11:38.14`	`b0ib0t`	`good morning everyone`
`11:38.17`	`viq`	`toxx_: I believe the answer is "use qtopia"`
`11:38.47`	`toxx_`	`viq: the official qtopia image is still very old, isn't it? what are usable alternatives? I don't object to using something QT-based...`
`11:39.14`	`viq`	`Don't ask me, I just lurk here and gather odd bits of information ;)`
`11:39.27`	`viq`	`apt nickometer viq`
`11:40.02`	`dolf1074`	`qtopia is updated to 4.3.2: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td789148\|a789148`
`11:40.34`	`harnir`	`Here's my keyboard layout with description and images: http://wiki.harnir.net/openmoko:keyboard-compressed`
`11:41.13`	`toxx_`	`dolf1074: hey, thanks! Does that built support reliable wakeup from sleep and going into sleep on the neo?`
`11:41.19`	`viq`	`WTF is it with pages that require scripts to show anything at all?`
`11:42.10`	`alx____`	`thanks harnir :)`
`11:42.29`	`dolf1074`	`toxx_: I don't know, I'm having om2008.8 at the moment and started to install debian. Tonight I want all the distros on my SDHC card. So tonight I can anwser ;)`
`11:42.31`	`harnir`	`alx____: you're welcome. give me your national keyboard ;-)`
`11:43.02`	`alx____`	`harnir: IÂ´ll look at the file to give you spanish and french keyboard`
`11:43.08`	`toxx_`	`dolf1074: tonight in UTC/europe? Good, thank you, I'll ask again then :-)`
`11:43.47`	`dolf1074`	`toxx_: tonight as in 23u50 in Brussels`
`11:44.13`	`toxx_`	`dolf1074: alright.`
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`11:47.12`	`Dave`	`oh no, it's harnir`
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`11:47.25`	`Dave`	`-_-`
`11:47.29`	`harnir`	`Dave: hi :-)`
`11:47.39`	`harnir`	`Dave: I came back to torment you again!`
`11:47.48`	`Dave`	`Bastard!`
`11:47.50`	`Dave`	`I can see that :P`
`11:47.58`	`Dave`	`You and your pesky keyboards.`
`11:48.03`	`Gromgull`	`How do I bring back my 2008.08 freerunner when the screen has turned off? Aux button does nothing - power button seems to reboot`
`11:48.27`	`harnir`	`Dave: try it before you criticize it!`
`11:48.38`	`Dave`	`Maybe`
`11:48.43`	`Dave`	`If there's ever a decent english one.`
`11:48.55`	`Dave`	`Also if you can distribute it without posting ten more screenshots to scap :P`
`11:48.56`	`harnir`	`Dave: what you mean by 'decent'?`
`11:49.07`	`Dave`	`some of the screenshots make it look ridiculous`
`11:49.08`	`harnir`	`Dave: you saw my link earlier?`
`11:49.12`	`Dave`	`no`
`11:49.15`	`harnir`	`Dave: http://wiki.harnir.net/openmoko:keyboard-compressed`
`11:49.22`	`Dave`	`All I saw was you talking about the french`
`11:49.25`	`Dave`	`haw`
`11:49.39`	`Dave`	`eww, you have a wiki?`
`11:49.44`	`Dave`	`you must be fat :p`
`11:50.05`	`harnir`	`talking from personal experience are we? ;-)`
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`11:51.35`	`Dave`	`I'll play with it, but I fear it will likely be failicious.`
`11:51.54`	`Dave`	`but if you want to change it to not suck, that would be okay too :)`
`11:52.06`	`harnir`	`Dave: the truth is, I will test it myself in my 5 h long ride to home tommorow.`
`11:52.23`	`harnir`	`Dave: give me your suggestions, I'll see what I can do.`
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`11:54.23`	`Dave`	`damn right!`
`11:55.14`	`Dave`	`harnir, have you seen raster's keyboard?`
`11:55.30`	`CIA-22`	`openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r72548bfbe296 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Upgrade gdb to 6.8 because of #1890`
`11:55.44`	`harnir`	`Dave: I don't think so, link?`
`11:56.42`	`Zorkman`	`harnir: rasters keyboard is the illume one`
`11:56.46`	`Zorkman`	`it rocks your socks`
`11:56.48`	`CIA-22`	`openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r1dbfdcd93178 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Upgrade gdb to 6.8 because of #1890`
`11:57.10`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: that included in the ASU?`
`11:57.16`	`harnir`	`or 2008.8?`
`11:57.24`	`Zorkman`	`no harnir, that is e-s keyboard i think`
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`11:57.44`	`Zorkman`	`http://monochromementality.com/data/phoo/2008_08_05/medium/Screenshot-9.png is the one`
`11:57.50`	`Dave`	`harnir, no`
`11:57.58`	`Zorkman`	`it seems way to small, but it is actually very usable with fingers`
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`11:58.11`	`Dave`	`It's the future.`
`11:58.32`	`alx____`	`possible to install it on 2008.8?`
`11:58.35`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: looks nice... works in 1007.2?`
`11:58.38`	`Zorkman`	`2008.8's keyboard is very nice for typing sms or mail in english, but it sucks at everything else`
`11:59.02`	`Zorkman`	`harnir: no, it's something of illume, as far as i know no way of running it in 2007.2`
`11:59.18`	`harnir`	`so, you're stick with my creation then :P`
`11:59.24`	`alx____`	`would be very nice if the prediction was blocked by default`
`11:59.27`	`Dave`	`zorkman, like for the terminal? :P`
`11:59.35`	`Zorkman`	`harnir: if you install rasters image (sort of modified 2008.8 you have this keyboard standard, it's even possible to change dictinonaries and cycle between keyboards)`
`11:59.39`	`harnir`	`s/stick/stuck/`
`11:59.53`	`Zorkman`	`harnir: i already have a modified matchbox`
`11:59.55`	`Dave`	`harnir: It's a monstar!`
`12:00.06`	`Zorkman`	`but it lacks some symbols, i'll try yours later today`
`12:00.07`	`harnir`	`Dave: tried it already?`
`12:00.53`	`Dave`	`-_-`
`12:01.19`	`harnir`	`;)`
`12:01.28`	`harnir`	`btw, vim rocks with onscreen keyboard`
`12:01.36`	`Dave`	`duh?`
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`12:05.27`	`baze`	`is there a screencast or a video of the illume keyboard anywhere?`
`12:06.29`	`Zorkman`	`not that i know of...`
`12:06.40`	`Zorkman`	`just believe me: it is the best`
`12:06.48`	`Zorkman`	`try raster's image :)`
`12:07.40`	`SiNiESTrO`	`I'm agree...`
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`12:07.55`	`baze`	`i don't even have a freerunner yet to try it ;)`
`12:08.15`	`tuXXX`	`Zorkman: is it a finger keyboard or a stylus-only one?`
`12:08.16`	`alx____`	`what the best way to try raster image?`
`12:08.41`	`Zorkman`	`baze: I have already sent 10 mails and tens of message on the bugtracker about that the current keyboard is insufficient... hopfullky by the time your FR arrives you will have it standard on it :p`
`12:08.52`	`baze`	`:)`
`12:08.55`	`Zorkman`	`tuXXX: I can use my fingers, and I'm all but "girly" :)`
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`12:09.11`	`tuXXX`	`so it's like the qtopia one`
`12:09.15`	`Zorkman`	`really, i didn't believe it myself, but when i tried it worked fine`
`12:09.15`	`Gromgull`	`there is not opkg any way to turn the screen back on from sh?`
`12:09.29`	`Zorkman`	`muchg better than the matchbox one for example, there you really have to play a game to hit the right keys...`
`12:09.47`	`pabs3`	`how do I shut off apps in ASU? I want to do an opkg update but the installer is running`
`12:10.02`	`baze`	`with the accelerometers switching to landscape mode, it should be even better, right?`
`12:10.18`	`tuXXX`	`Zorkman: yes, for me the matchbox keyboard is a stylus-only one ^^`
`12:10.59`	`Zorkman`	`baze: i haven't tested it in landscape mode, sorry`
`12:11.13`	`Zorkman`	`and on 2008.8-upgrade it's near impossible to get the raster keyboard :(`
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`12:12.41`	`Dave`	`pabs :P`
`12:12.51`	`Dave`	`Sounds like another "Feature" :p`
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`12:13.16`	`Dave`	`:x`
`12:13.23`	`Zorkman`	`pabs3: killall packagekitd`
`12:15.00`	`Dave`	`launchall zig`
`12:15.03`	`dolf1074`	`have anybody tried the debian dist already?`
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`12:15.20`	`dolf1074`	`Does that really takes so long to install it?`
`12:15.33`	`lindi-`	`so long?`
`12:15.55`	`dolf1074`	`yes he's already busy from 13u00 (and now it is 14u15)`
`12:16.08`	`pabs3`	`how do I get the illume keyboard to switch to terminal mode?`
`12:16.40`	`dolf1074`	`He's busy in the APT stage`
`12:17.21`	`dolf1074`	`I see it now, the server is really slow. He fetched 2749Kb in 1h10min`
`12:17.44`	`dolf1074`	`back to modem speed`
`12:17.56`	`pabs3`	`suggests trying a different mirror in that case`
`12:18.32`	`dolf1074`	`dolf1074 will do that ;)`
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`12:19.46`	`Dave`	`:)`
`12:21.19`	`pabs3`	`qtopia.net seems quite poorly`
`12:21.49`	`Dave`	`heh`
`12:21.59`	`Dave`	`You noticed this :D`
`12:22.03`	`Dave`	`smirks at lpotter`
`12:22.21`	`pabs3`	`was gonna try their latest image`
`12:22.35`	`Dave`	`Yeah 4.3.2 was recently released.`
`12:22.46`	`Dave`	`The "stable" version anyway.`
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`12:28.58`	`pabs3`	`likes to see CVS -> SVN changes in the output of opkg update`
`12:29.26`	`Dave`	`yep ;p`
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`12:45.50`	`sylar91`	`hi, I have another porblem :D`
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`12:48.01`	`sylar91`	`I can't change keyboard, someone could help me?`
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`12:49.17`	`tomboy64`	`i have a shiny new freerunner`
`12:49.25`	`tomboy64`	`but gps doesn't seem to get a fix`
`12:49.28`	`b0ib0t`	`tomboy64, w00t`
`12:49.41`	`tomboy64`	`i did the ttySAC-thingy`
`12:49.42`	`b0ib0t`	`cant wait till i have my freerunner`
`12:50.00`	`tomboy64`	`echo "GPS_DEV=\"/dev/ttySAC1\"" > /etc/default/gpsd`
`12:50.06`	`tomboy64`	`:)`
`12:50.08`	`Kiantis`	`got a gta02v5 recently too, but has different problems with bluetooth keyboard`
`12:50.20`	`tomboy64`	`never tried bluetooth :-P`
`12:50.40`	`tomboy64`	`and now the gps-ui keeps telling me "fail fail fail"`
`12:50.43`	`Kiantis`	`i don't think this could be easili resolved since i have same problems on linux@pc`
`12:50.47`	`tomboy64`	`when i start the running`
`12:51.19`	`Kiantis`	`tomboy64: are you indoor?`
`12:52.06`	`tomboy64`	`tried it at the window`
`12:52.06`	`tomboy64`	`with a free sky`
`12:52.06`	`Kiantis`	`tried that too, but i got better result on a completely open space. even a single wall could gie me problems`
`12:52.06`	`Kiantis`	`i guess it also depends on satellites positions`
`12:52.14`	`tomboy64`	`mhmm`
`12:52.39`	`tomboy64`	`btw`
`12:52.49`	`tomboy64`	`where are psk-keys stored on the freerunner?`
`12:53.10`	`Kiantis`	`psks for bluetooth?`
`12:54.03`	`tomboy64`	`no`
`12:54.06`	`tomboy64`	`for wlan/wpa`
`12:54.10`	`alx____`	`Kiantis: same problem to get gps fix, 5min. on clear sky (building roof)`
`12:54.32`	`Kiantis`	`alx____: i did it in 70 seconds on clear`
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`12:55.08`	`alx____`	`hum... could my gps be defective?`
`12:55.20`	`dbmoodb`	`alx____: no its dodgy i find.`
`12:55.54`	`Kiantis`	`and i noticed, after, that an hardware modification was already there for my device. I wasn't sure before, because i was mixig a bit the versions`
`12:56.00`	`bumbl`	`alx____: here too >4min for a fix`
`12:56.23`	`Kiantis`	`some component in the SD space`
`12:56.29`	`alx____`	`Kiantis: same here, receive the openmoko this week with hardwre fix`
`12:56.53`	`Kiantis`	`i've also compared to another BT GPS device i had, and actually freerunner was even faster`
`12:57.19`	`alx____`	`dbmoodb: yes, probably dodgy, but don't really need the gps at the moment, so wo't investigate too much`
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`12:57.42`	`alx____`	`going ot try raster image now :)`
`12:58.07`	`johngay`	`OK. I've updated 2007.2 as much as I can. I want to try rasters image now, since this is just too painful.`
`13:00.19`	`Kiantis`	`i'm not sure to grasp the differences here: in the bluetooth keyboard issue i've suggested before, i have two options in the keyboard and they are SPP and HID. One just doesn't connect, the other keeps on writing incorrect chars even when not striking the keyboard`
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`13:00.41`	`Kiantis`	`(HID is the one doesn't connect)`
`13:01.50`	`Kiantis`	`i guess i should make work with hid to see what's different... but i get connetion reset by peer by bluetooth (both on freerunner and my desktop)`
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`13:14.37`	`ernst`	`http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=rjZQlQzCuJ4`
`13:19.57`	`Fradeve`	`ernst: WOW :)`
`13:20.25`	`ernst`	`does anyone know anything about this ? http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=s5QMW8k5nis`
`13:22.40`	`Fradeve`	`unfortunately, I do not :(`
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`13:25.05`	`Tm_T`	`hi kids`
`13:25.59`	`Tm_T`	`I have a problem when trying to get stuff out from jffs2 image, it doesn't loop mount, so, is there other way to get data out of it?`
`13:27.29`	`lindi-`	`Tm_T: yes, i'll try to recall what it is`
`13:28.04`	`Tm_T`	`lindi-: danke sehr`
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`13:29.09`	`Tm_T`	`I tried with jffs2dump but no luck`
`13:30.30`	`lindi-`	`modprobe mtdram total_size=$ramroot_fs_size erase_size=128 && modprobe mtdblock`
`13:30.43`	`lindi-`	`cat a.jffs2 > /dev/mtdblock0 ; mount /dev/mtdblock0 /mnt`
`13:30.46`	`lindi-`	`isn't ideal but should work`
`13:30.55`	`Tm_T`	`lets try it (:`
`13:31.38`	`lindi-`	`ah, there's blkmtd`
`13:31.48`	`Tm_T`	`?`
`13:31.51`	`johngay`	`So, looking at the offerings, 2008.8 seems the most useful, right?`
`13:31.52`	`lindi-`	`modprobe blkmtd device=/dev/loop0`
`13:31.54`	`SiNiESTrO`	`ernst: wait a moment...`
`13:32.01`	`lindi-`	`Tm_T: then mount /dev/mtdblock0`
`13:32.10`	`Tm_T`	`ah, thanks`
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`13:32.52`	`Tm_T`	`lindi-: umm, no such module`
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`13:32.59`	`Tm_T`	`blkmtd that is`
`13:34.35`	`lindi-`	`Tm_T: http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/jffs2.html#L_loopback`
`13:34.41`	`lindi-`	`Tm_T: 'The only way to manipulate JFFS2 images is by copying them into a mtdram device and mounting the device with JFFS2.'`
`13:34.54`	`lindi-`	`Tm_T: so my first non-ideal solution seems to be the only solution`
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`13:36.19`	`Tm_T`	`lindi-: aye`
`13:36.37`	`bluelightning`	`lindi-: looks like you're already there, but http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/FamiliarBackupHowto may be helpful otherwise`
`13:36.59`	`Dave`	`I have so many repositories!`
`13:37.01`	`Dave`	`D:`
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`13:37.56`	`lindi-`	`Tm_T: bluelightning's link mentions blkmtd`
`13:38.19`	`bluelightning`	`lindi-: it could be out of date`
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`13:38.33`	`bluelightning`	`IIRC one of those modules got renamed a while back`
`13:38.34`	`johngay`	`OK, so I'm getting ready to jump! From casual reviews, 2008.8 seems the most useful for daily use and development on, posibly with rasters keyboard fixes. Is this the general consensus?`
`13:39.12`	`Tm_T`	`lindi-: bluelightning thanks, I hope its working now, apparently builtin so no module`
`13:39.22`	`bluelightning`	`lindi-: ok, I was going to suggest trying mtd_blkdevs`
`13:39.23`	`Tm_T`	`yep`
`13:39.35`	`Dave`	`Oh, 2007 haters?`
`13:39.39`	`Tm_T`	`got it, thanks, danke sehr, hooray and so on (:`
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`13:40.40`	`johngay`	`2007 seems rather useless and now dropped completely in favour of many other paths. Am I wrong?`
`13:40.58`	`pabs3`	`johngay: what are these keyboard fixes ?`
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`13:41.18`	`Dave`	`WRONG`
`13:41.33`	`johngay`	`I've read that raster has implemented better keyboards for the 2008 image.`
`13:41.37`	`Dave`	`pabs, people didn't like the default one, so they went off to make their own.`
`13:41.59`	`Dave`	`johngay, I believe that's incorrect; he has made his own keyboard, and got it to work with 2008.8`
`13:42.18`	`SiNiESTrO`	`ernst: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_FAQ#How_to_use_an_external_USB_or_Bluetooth_keyboard_with_the_FreeRunner_.3F`
`13:42.23`	`SiNiESTrO`	`ernst: this may help...`
`13:42.28`	`pabs3`	`the illume keyboard or something else?`
`13:42.34`	`johngay`	`2007.2 development driven by openmoko inc. has basically stopped and resources are allocated in favor of 2008.8,`
`13:42.35`	`SiNiESTrO`	`ernst: more info in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host`
`13:42.38`	`SiNiESTrO`	`ernst: ;)`
`13:43.00`	`johngay`	`from the wiki.`
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`13:43.58`	`kd8ikt`	`speaking of 2008 hows it been working lately`
`13:43.59`	`CM`	`johngay: Check out the SHR`
`13:44.07`	`CM`	`johngay: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_Development`
`13:44.12`	`johngay`	`I've upgraded the 2007.2 image and tried installing a few apps as well, but it's rather buggy, and several of them just fail to start with no indication why.`
`13:44.36`	`CM`	`johngay: Sorry, meant http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release`
`13:45.20`	`Dave`	`john, yes, three or so do, but who cares?`
`13:45.31`	`Dave`	`oh and if they don't start, you should try starting them from the command line`
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`13:45.37`	`Dave`	`it'll likely tell you why it failed to launch`
`13:45.44`	`Dave`	`usually it's because you were missing files or something`
`13:45.59`	`Dave`	`though I admit a couple of the default apps (Games) do not start, and leave no indication why. shrug`
`13:46.03`	`Dave`	`who cares though, anyway :p`
`13:46.09`	`Dave`	`unless you are a game master :p`
`13:46.12`	`johngay`	`I know many people here prefer gtk, and that's fine. I'm more of a QT man myself, though. Given the options as I read them, 2008.8 seems the better starting point for me.`
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`13:46.53`	`Dave`	`qt woman, you mean`
`13:47.13`	`Dave`	`aww shit, libc6 exploded again.`
`13:48.26`	`johngay`	`My two problems are: 1) I need to convince my wife I haven't wasted our money by showing that the phone works for daily needs.`
`13:49.27`	`johngay`	`2) I want to work on my programming skills, which suck huge donkey &*%^'s and QT looks easier for me.`
`13:49.49`	`kd8ikt`	`heh`
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`13:51.25`	`rwhitby`	`there should be a warning on shop.openmoko.org: "Do not buy this phone if you will need to justify the purchase to your spouse!"`
`13:51.38`	`CM`	`Hehe`
`13:51.50`	`dolf1074`	`definitely`
`13:51.50`	`SiNiESTrO`	`johngay: you can install two or more distributions in microsd with u-boot help... :)`
`13:52.27`	`SiNiESTrO`	`johngay: you can install qtopia for normal use and the rest for development`
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`13:55.43`	`johngay`	`I know, but I'd like to work towards one target ATM. I don't want to go with qtopia only if I can use 2008.8 and build to suite my tastes.`
`13:57.33`	`seaLne`	`hi i'm trying to flash my freerunner but dfu-util complains about more than one dfu capable device (i only have 1) it sees "USB Device Firmware Upgrade" and "UNDEFINED" any ideas? the last time i flashed was fine`
`13:57.53`	`rooly`	`woo hoo!`
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`13:58.04`	`rooly`	`who's ready for the rain!?`
`13:58.20`	`pabs3`	`seaLne: sounds like you have another device that can be flashed - on my laptop, the bluetooth shows up as UNDEFINED in dfu-util`
`13:58.37`	`pabs3`	`seaLne: use the -d option in dfu-util to set the right device`
`13:59.01`	`seaLne`	`doh i forgot i had a bt dongle plugged in hiding behind a faceplate :)`
`13:59.20`	`seaLne`	`(i also spent about 30min earlier trying to find the dongle...)`
`14:00.01`	`seaLne`	`pabs3: thanks`
`14:00.31`	`johngay`	`I just want to get an idea of which is the most stable for daily use. I'm leaning towards 2008.8 with rasters keyboard, but SHR only lists N/A on the wiki.`
`14:01.01`	`dolf1074`	`that's because there are no SHR images yet`
`14:01.15`	`dolf1074`	`so nobody can test SHR as distribution`
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`14:03.06`	`johngay`	`So if I want an image, then I guess 2008.8 is for me.`
`14:03.52`	`hipitihop`	`waves at all`
`14:04.02`	`rooly`	`so`
`14:04.04`	`johngay`	`waves back`
`14:04.06`	`dolf1074`	`I use the 2008.8 and i'm happy with that`
`14:04.07`	`rooly`	`i'm throwing a hurricane party`
`14:04.11`	`rooly`	`everyone is invited`
`14:04.28`	`johngay`	`Where are you?`
`14:04.35`	`rooly`	`lafayette louisiana`
`14:04.40`	`Dave`	`hippityhop`
`14:04.44`	`hipitihop`	`johngay, depends what you are looking for`
`14:04.46`	`Dave`	`haha`
`14:04.50`	`Dave`	`backwater hicks`
`14:05.05`	`Dave`	`hippityhop, WHY ARE YOU NOT ON THE FRIENDS MAP!?`
`14:05.11`	`rooly`	`mm hmm, us backwater hicks got one of the higher rated CMPS schools in the nation`
`14:05.18`	`rooly`	`iirc, top 30`
`14:05.19`	`johngay`	`When my neighbours threw a hurricane party for FAY, their manufactured homes got wiped out by tornados.`
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`14:05.30`	`Dave`	`great, the rest of your state sucks`
`14:05.34`	`Dave`	`and everyone's fat and unhealthy`
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`14:05.40`	`Dave`	`and speaks like trash`
`14:05.42`	`Dave`	`\o/`
`14:05.42`	`rooly`	`we like good food`
`14:05.45`	`Dave`	`numbah: terve`
`14:05.50`	`CM`	`Dave: Maybe you'd feel like home there? :D`
`14:05.50`	`Dave`	`rooly, honestly, it's not good`
`14:05.50`	`hipitihop`	`Dave, gaven't really played with it, chopping and changing distros all the time, rarely outside`
`14:05.52`	`Dave`	`it's bad`
`14:05.58`	`Dave`	`hippityhop :)`
`14:05.58`	`numbah`	`Dave: hello`
`14:05.59`	`rooly`	`snickers at dave`
`14:06.03`	`Dave`	`>:)`
`14:06.11`	`Dave`	`CM kek`
`14:06.18`	`CM`	`puts Dave back in the lab ;)`
`14:06.24`	`Dave`	`bah!`
`14:06.30`	`Dave`	`Stupid Wirus`
`14:06.38`	`rooly`	`so nobody's coming to mah party?`
`14:06.48`	`hipitihop`	`Dave, are we talking location or tangogps`
`14:06.50`	`johngay`	`I'm in florida. Sorry.`
`14:07.00`	`Dave`	`numbah, mitÃ¤ kuuluu?`
`14:07.10`	`Dave`	`hippityhop, tango friends.`
`14:07.15`	`Dave`	`john, don't get washed away!`
`14:07.20`	`rooly`	`will turn on tango`
`14:07.23`	`rooly`	`you can all see me!`
`14:07.26`	`Dave`	`Excellent!`
`14:07.32`	`Dave`	`Then we can all make fun of you! :)`
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`14:07.34`	`numbah`	`Dave: just got my freerunner yesterday and now exploring random stuff with it`
`14:07.42`	`Dave`	`Nah, we appreciate all the tangogps users.`
`14:07.48`	`Dave`	`And particular those who are our friends :)`
`14:07.56`	`Dave`	`numbah :)`
`14:08.04`	`nyu`	`freerunner is cool to impress your friends`
`14:08.17`	`Dave`	`and please your girlfriend!`
`14:08.26`	`Dave`	`just not by calling :P`
`14:08.30`	`Dave`	`(since that doesn't work well yet)`
`14:08.35`	`nyu`	`you mean there's a vibrator driver now?`
`14:08.44`	`bumbl`	`nyu: not the average joe friends yet`
`14:08.50`	`hipitihop`	`dave, installing on 2008. - updated now`
`14:08.55`	`nyu`	`bumbl: my joe friends play wesnoth`
`14:08.55`	`Dave`	`oh`
`14:08.58`	`Dave`	`-_-`
`14:09.01`	`nyu`	`on their windozes`
`14:09.06`	`Dave`	`on their freerunner?`
`14:09.15`	`nyu`	`they were amazed to see it in a phone`
`14:09.18`	`Dave`	`nyu, uh, I might have created on, yes.`
`14:09.22`	`Dave`	`:D`
`14:09.27`	`bumbl`	`nyu: my average joe friends play windows vista`
`14:09.34`	`nyu`	`is that a game?`
`14:09.40`	`Dave`	`rofl`
`14:09.48`	`rooly`	`it's a rather complex game`
`14:09.53`	`nyu`	`defeat the evil confirmation dialogs by clicking all of them!`
`14:09.58`	`rooly`	`however it gives a feeling of being half complete`
`14:10.07`	`nyu`	`10 points score for each dialog`
`14:10.07`	`rooly`	`there are plenty of bugs that crash the game all the time`
`14:10.23`	`rooly`	`and it likes to eat up your memory cards`
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`14:10.57`	`bumbl`	`nyu: yes its like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensch_Ã¤rgere_dich_nicht`
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`14:11.05`	`nyu`	`that's nothing, the xbox360 likes to scratch your DVDs`
`14:11.10`	`nyu`	`no kidding`
`14:11.13`	`Dave`	`haha awesome`
`14:11.25`	`nyu`	`http://goodbye-microsoft.com/can_you_trust.jpeg`
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`14:11.43`	`nyu`	`Dave: a friend of mine got one and it scratches 2 or 3 of his games`
`14:11.50`	`Dave`	`nyu, so are you in to playing games on the freerunner?`
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`14:12.01`	`Dave`	`nyu, what the fuck is this, a turntable or a gaming console?`
`14:12.02`	`nyu`	`Dave: and it's _not_ an isolated incident`
`14:12.13`	`Dave`	`DJ Xbox likes to scratch?`
`14:12.18`	`rooly`	`lol\`
`14:12.20`	`bumbl`	`so i am away`
`14:12.22`	`bumbl`	`bye`
`14:12.23`	`Dave`	`wiki-wiki-woo`
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`14:12.30`	`nyu`	`Dave: just wesnoth so far. any other suggestions?`
`14:12.35`	`Dave`	`There are lots!`
`14:12.38`	`Dave`	`and more coming!`
`14:12.56`	`Dave`	`one sec`
`14:13.00`	`nyu`	`http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=xbox+scratch&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=`
`14:13.02`	`Dave`	`my module tree just exploded on me :(`
`14:13.19`	`nyu`	`wow, even youtube videos`
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`14:13.58`	`Dave`	`nyu, in any case, I hope to have an ipk of DOOM and Heretic soon, playable on the freerunner`
`14:14.10`	`Dave`	`we just need to find a [better] method of input, is all :)`
`14:14.11`	`nyu`	`Dave: how do you play doom without a keyboard?`
`14:14.17`	`Dave`	`exactly :P`
`14:14.21`	`Dave`	`game controller`
`14:14.23`	`Dave`	`gamepad`
`14:14.26`	`Dave`	`:D`
`14:14.27`	`nyu`	`give it up...`
`14:14.33`	`rooly`	`holy shit`
`14:14.35`	`rooly`	`that noise!`
`14:14.35`	`Dave`	`give what up?`
`14:14.35`	`nyu`	`it ain't gonna cut it`
`14:14.46`	`Dave`	`Rooly, IT'S COMING FOR YOU!`
`14:14.52`	`Dave`	`nyu, sure it is.`
`14:14.56`	`rooly`	`jesus`
`14:14.58`	`nyu`	`rooly: ballmer's sneaking on us`
`14:15.00`	`rooly`	`it looks like a turntable record`
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`14:15.15`	`Dave`	`:D`
`14:15.19`	`rooly`	`reminds me of that scene in austin powers`
`14:15.24`	`Dave`	`so the xbox sucks is the conclusion?`
`14:15.28`	`soltys`	`is there any fix to buzz and echo while calls (om2007.2)`
`14:15.29`	`Dave`	`Well, we already knew that.`
`14:15.30`	`nyu`	`rooly: did you pay your "protection" today?`
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`14:15.51`	`rooly`	`nah`
`14:15.51`	`Dave`	`Actually a friend of mine who plays 360 games, plays 90% of them from HDD, so, I'm not worried for their sake :)`
`14:15.53`	`rooly`	`i don't own one`
`14:15.54`	`nyu`	`tomboy64 did :-P`
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`14:16.09`	`Dave`	`speaking of which`
`14:16.12`	`Dave`	`MORE FREERUNNER GAMES!`
`14:16.18`	`rooly`	`but every reason i have to make fun of my friends who DO own a 360 is a good one`
`14:17.02`	`pabs3`	`does the glamo do 3D?`
`14:17.06`	`nyu`	`rooly: you can make fun of it's lack of blu-ray or hd-dvd drive. I heard many games ported to the xbox are ripped-off to fit in a dvd`
`14:17.09`	`rooly`	`sure, pabs`
`14:17.13`	`pabs3`	`wants neverball on the OM`
`14:17.19`	`Dave`	`bah`
`14:17.21`	`rooly`	`but only to the extent that windows doesn't crash`
`14:17.21`	`Dave`	`:p`
`14:17.25`	`Dave`	`it's getting there ;)`
`14:17.28`	`rooly`	`it's a metaphor`
`14:17.30`	`Dave`	`go go gadget accelerometers!`
`14:17.31`	`nyu`	`powermanga!`
`14:17.50`	`nyu`	`yeah let's make something wii-like`
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`14:17.59`	`TAsn`	`nyu, it's hard`
`14:18.07`	`TAsn`	`since the screen moves all the time.`
`14:18.10`	`nyu`	`I know. not my average weekend hack`
`14:18.12`	`pabs3`	`rooly: do the drivers implement accellerated 3D?`
`14:18.16`	`rooly`	`no`
`14:18.19`	`rooly`	`alright guys`
`14:18.23`	`rooly`	`check the map!`
`14:18.27`	`rooly`	`lafayette, LA`
`14:18.32`	`nyu`	`pabs3: there's a chipset, but it's not documented`
`14:18.33`	`rooly`	`come stalk me`
`14:18.55`	`nyu`	`rooly: are you a pretty young girl?`
`14:19.06`	`rooly`	`only on tuesdays`
`14:19.09`	`pabs3`	`nyu: ahyes, the manufacturers are not-so-nice, right?`
`14:19.18`	`nyu`	`rooly: too bad, my stalking day is friday`
`14:19.27`	`nyu`	`pabs3: I guess so`
`14:19.48`	`nyu`	`pabs3: maybe they designed the whole thing and forgot people might actually want to use it`
`14:19.59`	`Dave`	`pimpin'!`
`14:19.59`	`pabs3`	`heh, wouldn't surprise me`
`14:20.09`	`rooly`	`ANYwho`
`14:20.16`	`rooly`	`i'm not really throwing a party`
`14:20.22`	`rooly`	`i'm going home`
`14:20.25`	`rooly`	`board up windows`
`14:20.26`	`rooly`	`buh bye`
`14:20.29`	`nyu`	`bye`
`14:20.35`	`nyu`	`I'm too far from LA anyway :-P`
`14:20.36`	`rooly`	`if i don't come back, i'm in a better place...`
`14:20.48`	`nyu`	`better than here?`
`14:20.48`	`rooly`	`probably tennessee`
`14:20.50`	`nyu`	`that's insulting`
`14:21.08`	`johngay`	`Good luck rooly!`
`14:21.21`	`rooly`	`thanks, gayjohn. gonna need it!`
`14:21.33`	`Dave`	`yeehaw?`
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`14:24.07`	`sylar91`	`coff coff my gps doesn't work... someone could help me please?`
`14:24.23`	`Dave`	`-_-`
`14:24.27`	`Dave`	`I don't know, do you want help?`
`14:24.39`	`sylar91`	`yes...`
`14:24.42`	`Dave`	`What distribution are you running?`
`14:24.50`	`sylar91`	`om 2008.8 update`
`14:24.55`	`Dave`	`Is gpsd installed?`
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`14:25.13`	`sylar91`	`yes`
`14:25.14`	`TAsn`	`Dave, and there lies the sting.`
`14:25.16`	`sylar91`	`(I think)`
`14:25.24`	`TAsn`	`sylar91, did you install it?`
`14:25.24`	`Dave`	`Is it running?`
`14:25.34`	`admiral0`	`hi. I need to import contacts in the FSO. Is it possible?`
`14:25.45`	`sylar91`	`yes, I installed but it seems to don't work`
`14:25.48`	`Dave`	`admiral, I hear it's impossible to store contacts on the phone with fso.`
`14:25.50`	`Dave`	`:(`
`14:26.00`	`Dave`	`sylar, edit the config file`
`14:26.04`	`hipitihop`	`I read somewhere you could use tangogps with googlemaps can't remember where now`
`14:26.07`	`admiral0`	`Dave:sim?`
`14:26.11`	`sylar91`	`done, I edited it`
`14:26.30`	`sylar91`	`but tangogps goes on saying NO GPS`
`14:26.47`	`pabs3`	`hipitihop: yep, on the wiki page it says how`
`14:26.55`	`Dave`	`gpsd /dev/ttySAC1`
`14:27.06`	`Dave`	`make sure you edited it to run on the proper device`
`14:27.09`	`sylar91`	`I'm using tangogps with google maps and it runs (maps download runs) but I have a no gps error`
`14:27.12`	`Dave`	`also make sure it's running!`
`14:27.26`	`Dave`	`sylar, if tango says NO GPS it's because gpsd is not running!`
`14:27.42`	`sylar91`	`how can I see if it is running?`
`14:28.00`	`Dave`	`ps aux \| grep gpsd`
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`14:28.25`	`sylar91`	`root@om-gta02:~# ps aux\|grep gpsd`
`14:28.25`	`sylar91`	`nobody 1677 0.6 1.1 4208 1448 ? S<s 14:57 0:34 gpsd /dev/ttySAC1`
`14:28.25`	`sylar91`	`root 3280 0.0 0.4 2752 588 pts/2 S+ 16:26 0:00 grep gpsd`
`14:28.25`	`sylar91`	`root@om-gta02:~#`
`14:28.31`	`Dave`	`it's running`
`14:28.36`	`Dave`	`tangogps should not complain then`
`14:28.40`	`Dave`	`thought it might not have a fix yet :)`
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`14:29.12`	`sylar91`	`no, I have the fix`
`14:29.18`	`Dave`	`Then it works now?`
`14:29.23`	`sylar91`	`i'm sure`
`14:29.26`	`sylar91`	`no`
`14:29.30`	`Dave`	`What!?`
`14:29.31`	`hipitihop`	`does tangogps retain downloaded maps ?`
`14:29.32`	`sylar91`	`but I have the hardware fix`
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`14:29.39`	`sylar91`	`yes`
`14:29.50`	`Dave`	`hippityhop, sure, if you change the map store location to a non-volatile directory`
`14:29.59`	`Dave`	`hippityhop, people like to store it on /media/card`
`14:30.01`	`Dave`	`:)`
`14:30.13`	`Dave`	`since there isn't sufficient storage on the phone's internal storage`
`14:30.34`	`sylar91`	`Dave, what can I do? an hour ago it runs but then I refleshed asu`
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`14:30.47`	`Dave`	`What!?`
`14:30.50`	`si`	`just store everything in the hole in the casing ... plenty of space`
`14:30.55`	`Dave`	`sylar, I cannot follow your logic.`
`14:31.01`	`Dave`	`si ;p`
`14:31.06`	`Dave`	`indeed`
`14:31.07`	`sylar91`	`sÃ¬?`
`14:31.10`	`sylar91`	`italiani?`
`14:31.15`	`Dave`	`hahah no`
`14:31.19`	`sylar91`	`loool`
`14:31.20`	`Dave`	`You speak Italia?`
`14:31.23`	`sylar91`	`io sÃ¬`
`14:31.25`	`sylar91`	`yes`
`14:31.28`	`sylar91`	`Italian...`
`14:31.28`	`Dave`	`apt: summon cga`
`14:31.29`	`apt`	`apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing cga's coordinates`
`14:32.05`	`sylar91`	`Dave, how could I use gps? an hour ago I tryed tangogps successfully`
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`14:32.13`	`Dave`	`and now it doesn't work?`
`14:32.19`	`Dave`	`are you using 2008.8 or ASU!?`
`14:32.25`	`Dave`	`What is going on!?`
`14:32.32`	`si`	`he reflashed ASU`
`14:32.38`	`Dave`	`Is ASU 2008.8 now?`
`14:32.38`	`sylar91`	`2008.08 update`
`14:32.40`	`Dave`	`Who am I!?`
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`14:32.46`	`Dave`	`What's going on :P`
`14:32.49`	`johngay`	`flashing (-=`
`14:32.54`	`si`	`haha`
`14:32.55`	`sylar91`	`sorry, I use 2008.8 update`
`14:32.57`	`Dave`	`john, this isn't that type of channel.`
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`14:33.01`	`Dave`	`Please keep it in your pants.`
`14:33.02`	`Dave`	`:p`
`14:33.09`	`sylar91`	`lol`
`14:33.26`	`Dave`	`SICU`
`14:33.28`	`Dave`	`I knew it was you!`
`14:33.32`	`sicu`	`hehe :p`
`14:33.34`	`Dave`	`jajaja :D`
`14:33.34`	`johngay`	`I've fetched 2008.8 and I'm flashing it now.`
`14:34.11`	`sicu`	`cu totally disappeared on me .. kinda like being just si though ;)`
`14:34.14`	`Dave`	`hvordan gÃ¥r det med min norske bestevenn? :]`
`14:34.19`	`Dave`	`hehe`
`14:34.21`	`Openfree`	`how many FR has been sold out? just curious...`
`14:34.25`	`johngay`	`The kernel was quick, the rootfs is slower. I'm assuming I don't need to update uboot.`
`14:34.30`	`Dave`	`openfree, thousands`
`14:34.40`	`Dave`	`johm, correct.`
`14:34.42`	`sicu`	`dave: bare bra, takk! og med deg da?`
`14:34.57`	`Dave`	`^_^`
`14:35.03`	`sicu`	`apt: take a hike`
`14:35.05`	`apt`	`OK... I'll just follow bm over the edge!`
`14:35.09`	`Openfree`	`I thought there would be more than 10 thousands ...`
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`14:35.29`	`Dave`	`litt varmt her, er det ikke? ;p`
`14:35.32`	`sylar91`	`ehi, someone could help me please... ? gps problems...!`
`14:35.34`	`stevenSn`	`In 2008.08 how can I control what happens when the AUX button is pressed?`
`14:35.37`	`phrozen77`	`Dave, lol`
`14:35.46`	`phrozen77`	`i understood that i think :P`
`14:36.00`	`Dave`	`:o`
`14:36.09`	`Dave`	`phrozen... snakker? :o`
`14:36.15`	`phrozen77`	`that not`
`14:36.16`	`phrozen77`	`:P`
`14:36.24`	`Dave`	`-_-`
`14:36.28`	`sicu`	`me neither :p`
`14:36.42`	`Dave`	`-_-;`
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`14:36.58`	`Dave`	`hold kjeft, hestkuk!`
`14:37.08`	`sicu`	`men her er det ikke varmt, norge ligger jo i peru eller chile`
`14:37.18`	`Dave`	`Â¬_Â¬`
`14:37.47`	`Dave`	`har du vÃ¦rt ute...?`
`14:37.51`	`Dave`	`:[`
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`14:37.52`	`sylar91`	`dave check the pvt...`
`14:37.57`	`Dave`	`ssh`
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`14:38.41`	`johngay`	`I'm going SIM shopping this afternoon. Gonna challenge AT&T and T-Mobile to beat each other for my business.`
`14:38.46`	`sicu`	`hehe..var jo noen igår som nevnte at norge lå rett ved peru`
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`14:38.55`	`Dave`	`;p`
`14:38.57`	`phrozen77`	`ENGLISH KTHX`
`14:39.01`	`phrozen77`	`:)`
`14:39.15`	`Dave`	`det er helt klamt her here ~_~`
`14:39.17`	`nyu`	`what language is kthx`
`14:39.24`	`Dave`	`NYU ASDF`
`14:39.26`	`phrozen77`	`spanks nyu`
`14:39.30`	`Dave`	`:D`
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`14:39.35`	`phrozen77`	`ow wait`
`14:39.37`	`nyu`	`I love spanking`
`14:39.37`	`phrozen77`	`he might like that`
`14:39.38`	`phrozen77`	`:O`
`14:39.41`	`phrozen77`	`there we go`
`14:39.43`	`phrozen77`	`-_-`
`14:39.43`	`johngay`	`snaps pics of the spanking.`
`14:39.43`	`nyu`	`more please`
`14:39.58`	`Dave`	`nyu, liker du Ã¥ suge ogsÃ¥? ;p`
`14:39.59`	`phrozen77`	`only if you say "ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" after each`
`14:40.12`	`sicu`	`haha, will try the english, seems to be a rude language though`
`14:40.16`	`Dave`	`XD`
`14:40.16`	`phrozen77`	`talk-like-a-pirate-spank`
`14:40.17`	`nyu`	`Dave: no entenc quÃ¨ t'empatolles :-P`
`14:40.33`	`Dave`	`fittegrubbe!`
`14:40.40`	`phrozen77`	`oO`
`14:40.44`	`sicu`	`hehe`
`14:40.57`	`sicu`	`point taken`
`14:41.08`	`phrozen77`	`goatse's Dave - (_O_)`
`14:41.39`	`sicu`	`is scarred for life for having witnessed the deep abyss`
`14:41.43`	`phrozen77`	`lmao`
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`14:41.55`	`nyu`	`the pit of eternal peril?`
`14:42.15`	`phrozen77`	`sicu, do you know meatspin? =)`
`14:42.32`	`phrozen77`	`add a .com after that to get to know it`
`14:42.32`	`phrozen77`	`:P`
`14:42.45`	`phrozen77`	`disclaimer: not responsible for anything!`
`14:42.48`	`sicu`	`unfamiliar with that one...care to explain?`
`14:42.53`	`phrozen77`	`watch it`
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`14:43.36`	`nyu`	`ah, sorry. it was the gorge of eternal peril`
`14:44.10`	`Dave`	`sicu :D`
`14:44.20`	`Openfree`	`one thing i want to confirm, u-boot doesn't support load kernel image from "ext3" type partition?`
`14:44.26`	`sicu`	`is gonna need a few moments to recover`
`14:44.30`	`phrozen77`	`lol`
`14:44.32`	`Dave`	`:(`
`14:44.56`	`phrozen77`	`probably he wants to sit through a few more spins...`
`14:45.05`	`sicu`	`lol...shut it`
`14:45.07`	`sicu`	`Øp`
`14:45.08`	`phrozen77`	`lol`
`14:45.09`	`sicu`	`:p`
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`14:45.44`	`Dave`	`huh?`
`14:45.46`	`phrozen77`	`in related news, i love the xkcd x girls y cup comic`
`14:45.58`	`Dave`	`o_O`
`14:46.07`	`johngay`	`Does 2008.8 know where to update from, or will I need to edit something before upgrading?`
`14:46.16`	`phrozen77`	`hm`
`14:46.24`	`phrozen77`	`afaik 2008.8 isnt supposed to be updated?`
`14:46.27`	`phrozen77`	`or am i mistaken?`
`14:46.37`	`Dave`	`sure it is`
`14:46.41`	`Dave`	`just NOT from buildhost!`
`14:46.41`	`phrozen77`	`ok`
`14:46.47`	`Dave`	`or you will be DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED`
`14:46.48`	`phrozen77`	`oh ok, that was that then`
`14:47.00`	`Dave`	`like if you're using qtopia and you update from buildhost`
`14:47.05`	`Dave`	`you're fucked :D`
`14:47.31`	`sicu`	`phrozen77: yeh, cool comic`
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`14:47.52`	`johngay`	`That's why I asked. Do I need to edit something, or is it pointed at the right directories already.`
`14:47.53`	`phrozen77`	`http://xkcd.com/467/`
`14:47.54`	`phrozen77`	`^^`
`14:48.15`	`phrozen77`	`johngay, no idea, i removed it too soon to elaborate about that`
`14:48.20`	`nyu`	`phrozen77: lol`
`14:48.23`	`lindi-`	`Openfree: 1) git clone git://git.denx.de/u-boot.git 2) grep -r ext2 uboot*`
`14:49.47`	`Dave`	`comics?`
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`14:50.52`	`johngay`	`flashing done, now booting.`
`14:51.11`	`johngay`	`Very, very slow.`
`14:52.03`	`sicu`	`who's slow? dave?`
`14:52.09`	`Dave`	`>:O`
`14:52.14`	`Openfree`	`lindi-, hey, i'm asking ext3, but u tell me ext2...`
`14:52.18`	`johngay`	`2008.8`
`14:52.23`	`Dave`	`du er gÃ¦rn!`
`14:52.31`	`sicu`	`heh, vet`
`14:52.34`	`Dave`	`snakker du til meg?`
`14:52.35`	`lindi-`	`Openfree: ext2 driver can always read ext3 fs`
`14:52.37`	`Dave`	`>:)`
`14:52.50`	`Openfree`	`lindi-, i thouhgt, those would be different.`
`14:52.56`	`Dave`	`Forbanna drit!`
`14:52.59`	`lindi-`	`Openfree: you thought wrong :)`
`14:53.07`	`ShellEvil`	`ext3 is ext2 with an extra file - the journal file.`
`14:53.09`	`ShellEvil`	`Basically`
`14:53.10`	`lindi-`	`Openfree: ext3 is just ext2 with ..`
`14:53.14`	`lindi-`	`ShellEvil was faster :)`
`14:53.26`	`ShellEvil`	`And a bit set in the superblock.`
`14:53.36`	`Openfree`	`lindi-, but i've tried , can't read from ext3, maybe my fault`
`14:53.41`	`sicu`	`_-_`
`14:53.47`	`lindi-`	`ShellEvil: and more buggy drivers :)`
`14:54.52`	`lindi-`	`ShellEvil: according to http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10871`
`14:55.23`	`pabs3`	`Openfree: you probably need to update u-boot`
`14:56.18`	`Openfree`	`And, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card, doesn't give an example, which can read kernel image from ext3, just wondering`
`14:56.33`	`Openfree`	`pabs3, i will check my u-boot ..`
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`14:57.34`	`Openfree`	`pabs3, ok, i'm using Andy's git branch, and the lastest commit is Aug 6`
`14:57.41`	`Wonka`	`I would not use ext3 on flash media...`
`14:57.56`	`hossi`	`how do I get rid of the echo that my friends hear when they call my freerunner?`
`14:58.11`	`Openfree`	`Wonka, have better choise?`
`14:58.17`	`Wonka`	`Openfree: ext2`
`14:58.31`	`Wonka`	`Openfree: basically, any journalling fs must be bad for the flash`
`14:58.53`	`mjr`	`ext3 only journals the metadata per def, and the cards are supposed to be wear-leveling`
`14:59.05`	`mjr`	`sure, it will decrease the life a bit`
`14:59.07`	`CM`	`checks out how logfs is doing`
`14:59.23`	`Dave`	`davefs is where it's at baby`
`14:59.31`	`Dave`	`it doesn't kill your spouse for you though, sorry :`
`14:59.32`	`Dave`	`:P`
`14:59.40`	`TeLLuS`	`FIX for echo issue with patch and new package in http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267 ! , Much better then before! Had to downgrade for Om2008.8 from 39.1 to r38.05.. and contacts stored on sim is not showing now :( , Regression! Do I have to compile a new packet myself..`
`14:59.40`	`sicu`	`puts the FR hole to good use and sends the FR bungee jumping just to give the gps altimeter a tickle`
`14:59.47`	`mjr`	`a different question is if it'll still wear out before you toss the card for the 128 gig model anyway`
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`15:00.13`	`Dave`	`mjr - hot`
`15:00.24`	`Wonka`	`...for the 128gig model in the GTA05, yes...`
`15:00.25`	`Dave`	`sicu, it's not meant for a real carribeaner!`
`15:00.34`	`Dave`	`ONE MILLION JIGGABYTES!`
`15:01.07`	`lindi-`	`TeLLuS: you better incldue the version of packages you want instead of reflashing the whole phone?`
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`15:02.41`	`sylar91`	`ehi dave`
`15:03.11`	`sylar91`	`thanks for your support!`
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`15:03.34`	`Dave`	`Sure :)`
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`15:05.17`	`TeLLuS`	`lindi-: Is your question if you have to reflash or just install the package? I don't know what you have.. I started by by flashing Om2008.8-update when I got it.. and right now I think it's better to not run opkg upgrade after the flashing..`
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`15:05.57`	`sicu`	`hmm, wonder if i could scrap my wacom tablet and use the FR instead`
`15:06.09`	`mjr`	`the wacom is probably a tad more precise`
`15:06.32`	`TAsn`	`sicu, hehe same here`
`15:06.37`	`sicu`	`as long as it's just a tad ;)`
`15:06.38`	`TAsn`	`was thinking about drawing using the moko ;)`
`15:07.13`	`TAsn`	`have anyone tried modding the fr case?`
`15:07.31`	`Dave`	`no`
`15:07.37`	`Dave`	`that's sad`
`15:07.41`	`Dave`	`because wacom sucks`
`15:07.47`	`Dave`	`are you a drawer?`
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`15:08.03`	`Dave`	`For any who do draw, would you like to draw we me sometime? :)`
`15:08.20`	`TAsn`	`i don't really draw`
`15:08.25`	`TAsn`	`though i try sometimes :)`
`15:08.44`	`TAsn`	`started to try only lately though.`
`15:09.35`	`sicu`	`dave: sure you have, why else would you drop the FR from 1.3m onto concrete if not to get the case opened and ready for mod'ing ^^`
`15:10.12`	`Dave`	`I used a vise, thank you!`
`15:10.16`	`Dave`	`vice`
`15:10.23`	`sicu`	`ah, nice =)`
`15:10.26`	`Dave`	`tasn, on computer?`
`15:10.40`	`Dave`	`sicu, I don't personally build the mounts and whatnot for the freerunner`
`15:10.44`	`Dave`	`but I design them`
`15:10.47`	`Dave`	`:)`
`15:10.55`	`Dave`	`the guys downstairs fabricate stuff for us :)`
`15:11.06`	`TAsn`	`what did you design?`
`15:11.10`	`sicu`	`cool =)`
`15:11.12`	`Dave`	`I'm sure it beats that 10-year-old chinese child work`
`15:11.20`	`Dave`	`tasn a mobile freerunner mount`
`15:11.22`	`Dave`	`for car/bike`
`15:11.31`	`TAsn`	`pics?`
`15:11.33`	`Dave`	`so even if you get a in a crash, it won't fly out`
`15:11.37`	`Dave`	`I will next week`
`15:11.38`	`sicu`	`i don't do much drawing, but use the tablet for sculpting and stuff in mudbox/zbrush`
`15:11.41`	`Dave`	`I'm not in the lab now :P`
`15:11.48`	`Dave`	`sicu, ah`
`15:11.58`	`Dave`	`either of you want to draw or scribble some things with me? :)`
`15:12.03`	`Dave`	`I miss doing that.`
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`15:13.02`	`sicu`	`yeh, i kinda got hooked on iSketch a while back ... would be cool using the FR as input =)`
`15:13.07`	`TAsn`	`i can (with your assistance) draw a big square`
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`15:13.38`	`Dave`	`;o`
`15:13.44`	`Dave`	`Tasn, cool`
`15:13.45`	`Dave`	`want to play?`
`15:13.53`	`sicu`	`not with my crosseyed assistance, might be square-ish though :p`
`15:14.11`	`TAsn`	`play what?`
`15:14.26`	`TAsn`	`no time for games though`
`15:14.42`	`TAsn`	`got to study, so i will have time to play with the fr when it comes :)`
`15:14.59`	`TAsn`	`it's labor weekend, which delays the arrival of my sweet moko ;(`
`15:15.07`	`sicu`	`FR is no play, it's hard work :p`
`15:15.14`	`Dave`	`:\`
`15:15.23`	`TAsn`	`sicu, i think you are wrong.`
`15:15.23`	`TAsn`	`;)`
`15:15.24`	`Dave`	`no, play drawing with me`
`15:15.32`	`Dave`	`HE IS!`
`15:15.36`	`sicu`	`how would we play drawing ?`
`15:15.37`	`TAsn`	`s/think/sure/`
`15:15.43`	`Dave`	`collaborative online doodling?`
`15:15.46`	`Dave`	`scribbles`
`15:15.50`	`Dave`	`it's fun`
`15:15.54`	`nrnickolov`	`HI, everybody. I just got a Neo Freerunner with 2007.2 and can not place calls. It says connecting and then the screen just disappears it goes back to previous screen. Has anyone else experienced/heard of a problem like that?`
`15:16.06`	`sicu`	`i'll play`
`15:16.12`	`TAsn`	`nrnickolov, did you insert a sim card?`
`15:16.12`	`TAsn`	`;0`
`15:16.13`	`Dave`	`sicu, du er en skitten nordmann :p`
`15:16.17`	`nrnickolov`	`I did`
`15:16.18`	`sicu`	`haha :p`
`15:16.18`	`Dave`	`but okay ;)`
`15:16.20`	`TAsn`	`j/k`
`15:16.21`	`Dave`	`:D`
`15:16.30`	`TAsn`	`well im off again.`
`15:16.33`	`Dave`	`okay`
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`15:16.37`	`TAsn`	`wish my moko a safe trip.`
`15:16.38`	`Dave`	`sicu, let's draw!`
`15:16.42`	`Dave`	`tasn, okay!`
`15:16.57`	`Dave`	`tasn, where's it going?`
`15:17.36`	`TAsn`	`it's currently at the hands`
`15:17.42`	`TAsn`	`of my uncles PA in the us`
`15:17.58`	`TAsn`	`which is supposed to ship it to my uncle in france`
`15:18.05`	`TAsn`	`which supposed to bring it to me.`
`15:18.05`	`TAsn`	`;0`
`15:18.10`	`sicu`	`dave: how? and it'll only be touchpad doodling for my part :p`
`15:18.11`	`TAsn`	`which is`
`15:18.14`	`nrnickolov`	`Actually I've tried a number of different sim cards. having the same problem`
`15:18.29`	`Dave`	`sicu ONLINE APPLICATIONZ`
`15:18.32`	`Dave`	`SUPER COOL`
`15:18.36`	`Dave`	`like wow!`
`15:18.41`	`TAsn`	`im really gone.`
`15:18.48`	`Dave`	`TASN what what?`
`15:18.53`	`Dave`	`fine :(`
`15:18.54`	`TAsn`	`what what?`
`15:18.58`	`Dave`	`Is it going to PA or France?`
`15:19.00`	`sicu`	`haha`
`15:19.01`	`Dave`	`I am confused.`
`15:19.07`	`TAsn`	`the PA has it now`
`15:19.13`	`Dave`	`Pennsylvania?`
`15:19.17`	`TAsn`	`though it's labor weekend`
`15:19.19`	`TAsn`	`NJ`
`15:19.21`	`Dave`	`Really?`
`15:19.26`	`Dave`	`Want me to pick it up?`
`15:19.36`	`TAsn`	`so she will ship it to france at tuesday.`
`15:19.43`	`Dave`	`You're in the France? :O`
`15:19.45`	`TAsn`	`Dave, no need, she will do it :)`
`15:19.49`	`TAsn`	`Dave, no`
`15:19.51`	`TAsn`	`my uncle is.`
`15:19.54`	`Dave`	`o.O`
`15:19.55`	`TAsn`	`im in israel`
`15:19.57`	`Dave`	`Where are you?`
`15:19.58`	`sicu`	`i'm confused too`
`15:19.59`	`Dave`	`oh :O`
`15:20.02`	`Dave`	`yeah, haha`
`15:20.04`	`TAsn`	`waiting for him to bring it here`
`15:20.06`	`Dave`	`weirdo :P`
`15:20.08`	`Dave`	`OH, freaky`
`15:20.13`	`Dave`	`good idea`
`15:20.19`	`TAsn`	`since the stupid communication office`
`15:20.22`	`Dave`	`import tax in yisreal is crazy!`
`15:20.27`	`TAsn`	`doesn't approve the moko`
`15:20.28`	`Dave`	`~_~`
`15:20.29`	`apt`	`STOP DOING THAT!`
`15:20.30`	`Dave`	`oh haha`
`15:20.33`	`Dave`	`it's a terrorist device!`
`15:20.33`	`Dave`	`:D`
`15:20.34`	`TAsn`	`and yeah, there's the income tax.`
`15:20.37`	`Dave`	`:D`
`15:20.40`	`Dave`	`okay`
`15:20.52`	`Dave`	`anyhoo, let me know who's shipping your freerunner out of the US`
`15:21.00`	`Dave`	`friend?`
`15:21.04`	`TAsn`	`Dave, they demand some sort of esoteric certificates.`
`15:21.11`	`TAsn`	`Dave, no, my uncles PA`
`15:21.15`	`sicu`	`so it's being sent from france to your dads PA in US and from there to isreal ... hmmm`
`15:21.16`	`TAsn`	`she is in the states.`
`15:21.16`	`Dave`	`Tasn, too bad you can't gps log your freerunner's trip to you XD`
`15:21.22`	`Dave`	`it sounds like a pretty amazing trip :P`
`15:21.41`	`Dave`	`your uncle is a she?`
`15:21.48`	`sicu`	`haha`
`15:21.49`	`TAsn`	`bah!`
`15:21.53`	`TAsn`	`PA = female, US`
`15:21.55`	`Dave`	`falls out of his chair`
`15:22.01`	`Dave`	`What what?`
`15:22.03`	`Dave`	`hahahaha`
`15:22.04`	`TAsn`	`uncle = male, france`
`15:22.10`	`TAsn`	`TAsn = male, israel`
`15:22.11`	`Dave`	`o_O`
`15:22.13`	`TAsn`	`:)`
`15:22.14`	`Dave`	`rofl!?`
`15:22.25`	`Dave`	`anyway, is your uncle hot?`
`15:22.29`	`Dave`	`the female one that lives in the US?`
`15:22.37`	`TAsn`	`;]`
`15:22.45`	`Dave`	`dies of laughter`
`15:23.14`	`TAsn`	`spdr_, unleash you fury, assault Dave.`
`15:23.15`	`TAsn`	`;0`
`15:23.23`	`TAsn`	`Dave, you are a gonner.`
`15:23.27`	`TAsn`	`:)`
`15:23.38`	`TAsn`	`*your fury`
`15:23.52`	`TAsn`	`cya, for real.`
`15:24.09`	`sicu`	`apt: assault dave`
`15:24.09`	`apt`	`ACTION hits dave in the mouth with an iron bar`
`15:24.14`	`sicu`	`ops`
`15:24.34`	`sicu`	`that wasn't a command, just a suggestion`
`15:24.52`	`Dave`	`:D`
`15:25.07`	`CM`	`~fish sicu`
`15:25.08`	`apt`	`ACTION slaps sicu around with a large trout`
`15:25.11`	`CM`	`:D`
`15:25.40`	`CM`	`~beer sicu`
`15:25.41`	`apt`	`ACTION pours a pint of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for sicu`
`15:25.47`	`Dave`	`~trout apt`
`15:25.47`	`apt`	`ACTION slaps apt around a bit with a large trout!`
`15:25.52`	`Dave`	`haha, stupid bot.`
`15:26.02`	`sicu`	`gee .. that was worth the trout =D`
`15:26.09`	`Dave`	`:D`
`15:26.14`	`Dave`	`good show, eh?`
`15:27.03`	`sicu`	`~neo CM`
`15:27.17`	`sicu`	`hmmm ... must've been too heavy :p`
`15:27.48`	`CM`	`Hehe`
`15:27.56`	`CM`	`~cookie sicu`
`15:28.24`	`sicu`	`haha`
`15:28.26`	`CM`	`apt: You suck`
`15:28.26`	`apt`	`and very well I might add`
`15:28.31`	`CM`	`lol`
`15:28.32`	`Dave`	`;D`
`15:28.34`	`CM`	`That was bad..`
`15:28.35`	`Dave`	`damn right!`
`15:28.39`	`Dave`	`she's my bitch.`
`15:28.43`	`hossi`	`do someone here have a working gsmhandset.state for neo freerunner without any echo?`
`15:28.59`	`Dave`	`doubtful`
`15:29.09`	`Dave`	`sicu, can we draw? :)`
`15:29.19`	`sicu`	`https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267`
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`15:30.00`	`sicu`	`dave: show me where and i'll draw`
`15:30.06`	`Dave`	`:D!`
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`15:30.34`	`sicu`	`i might add that my touchpad drawingskills are out of this world`
`15:30.35`	`CM`	`hossi: That ticket sicu linked to was for you, if you didn't notice`
`15:32.11`	`sicu`	`CM: thx, thought i preceeded with a nick`
`15:32.41`	`sicu`	`dave: waiting`
`15:39.23`	`Dave`	`tyeah yeah`
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`15:41.50`	`johngay`	`OK, I'm starting to actively HATE 2008.8`
`15:42.23`	`sicu`	`johngay: already? :p`
`15:42.37`	`Dave`	`YES`
`15:42.42`	`Dave`	`LET THE HATE FLOW THROUGH YOU...`
`15:42.51`	`Dave`	`>:)`
`15:43.05`	`johngay`	`The phone keeps powering off and droppy PuTTY`
`15:43.30`	`Staticwave_Ace`	`johngay: disable autosuspend`
`15:43.39`	`Tig\|`	`johngay: go into the configuration applet and turn off powersavinhg`
`15:43.49`	`johngay`	`Tried that. Still does it.`
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`15:44.24`	`johngay`	`Took me 5 attempts to install illume-config`
`15:44.35`	`Staticwave_Ace`	`saw some reports of that on the mailing list`
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`15:45.07`	`dolf1074`	`http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/ is down, is there a mirror? Or where do I have to go and get qtopia 4.3.2?`
`15:45.52`	`Dave`	`windows broken; please use door`
`15:45.53`	`dolf1074`	`johngay: Are you using networking though usb?`
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`15:47.26`	`johngay`	`Yes.`
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`15:47.50`	`Tig\|`	`hmm just running opkg update and I think it is updating every package installed :)`
`15:48.04`	`johngay`	`I have to keep touching the screen to keep it from shutting down all the time )-=`
`15:48.31`	`Dave`	`CHANGE YOUR POWAR SETTINGS`
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`15:48.48`	`dolf1074`	`It doens't shutdown, it go into suspent. For bringing it back, just hit the power button, it will be back in 2 sec`
`15:48.55`	`TeLLuS`	`Tig\|: It worked better before this update..`
`15:49.03`	`Tig\|`	`nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo`
`15:49.12`	`Tig\|`	`don't tell me that now :)`
`15:49.18`	`TeLLuS`	`Tig\|: Sorry.. :/`
`15:49.41`	`Tig\|`	`heh, well I have not got anything special on here yet if I need to reflash it`
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`15:50.16`	`dolf1074`	`Is qtopia.net offline?`
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`15:51.11`	`johngay`	`except it drops PuTTY.`
`15:51.13`	`TeLLuS`	`Tig\|: Just small issues.. If you can check if you can see the contacts on the sim after the update? I'm not sure it was the update that made it..`
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`15:51.45`	`johngay`	`I've turned suppend off in settings, doesn't change anything`
`15:51.56`	`Tig\|`	`TeLLuS: well when I flashed to this version my sim contacts were automatically imported`
`15:52.01`	`TeLLuS`	`Tig\|: Maybe also a suspend issue, have not tested that one. It's running steady here..`
`15:52.24`	`johngay`	`Where is the power setting in 2008.8???`
`15:52.28`	`Tig\|`	`running raster's version here :)`
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`15:52.51`	`aiua`	`dolf1074: no, but it's really hard to reach`
`15:52.57`	`RayDar`	`re`
`15:53.01`	`Tig\|`	`johngay: on the main screen there is a settings application`
`15:53.14`	`digger3`	`how do I disable the suspend feature in 2008.8, I've disabled it through the settings ui, bit it still suspends every 30 seconds or so`
`15:53.15`	`dolf1074`	`There are no power settings except the suspend time (0 sec, 10 sec, 30 sec, 60 sec)`
`15:53.17`	`johngay`	`Has suppend, which does nothing.`
`15:53.31`	`Dave`	`rut roh`
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`15:54.42`	`white_gecko`	`hello`
`15:54.58`	`RayDar`	`hello white_gecko, anything stick to the wall lately?`
`15:55.00`	`white_gecko`	`which filesystems are supported by the 2008.8 kernel?`
`15:55.01`	`TeLLuS`	`Is there any NX-client for this one?`
`15:55.02`	`johngay`	`So 2008.8 is just completely borked???`
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`15:55.45`	`RayDar`	`Can someone point me to some Qtopia user documentation? Like how to use the handwriting recognition and other input methods?`
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`15:56.04`	`Tanuva`	`white_gecko: cat /proc/filesystems`
`15:56.41`	`white_gecko`	`hm`
`15:56.49`	`TeLLuS`	`johngay: Suspend was working fine yesterday.. in Om2008.8(update), Can test it a bit now..`
`15:57.11`	`Staticwave_Ace`	`updated and working fine here`
`15:57.30`	`Staticwave_Ace`	`johngay: are you using stable or testing?`
`15:58.11`	`digger3`	`Staticwave_Ace: I'm having the same issues with a fresh install of om2008.8-update`
`15:58.22`	`Staticwave_Ace`	`hrm`
`15:58.24`	`johngay`	`I flashed mine today from http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/`
`15:58.25`	`Staticwave_Ace`	`try raster -> update?`
`15:58.38`	`dolf1074`	`johngay: For going back on the network problem and putty that's stops. Have you already done everything that stands under Networking on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8?`
`15:59.17`	`dolf1074`	`johngay: It helped me for getting a good internet connection that doesn't stop with working after x minutes`
`15:59.24`	`johngay`	`Suspend is off, but the phone still goes blank and PuTTY halts after about 10 seconds.`
`15:59.56`	`johngay`	`I get good Internet via wifi.`
`16:00.20`	`johngay`	`I only use PuTTY because there's no terminal.`
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`16:01.24`	`phrozen77`	`hm`
`16:01.28`	`dolf1074`	`If the phone goes blank, it's suspend thats handling`
`16:01.31`	`TeLLuS`	`johngay: Mine is the opposite, it will not suspend now.. Also Om2008.8(update) after the large opkg upgrade today.. Do you have two default gateways if you run route -n ?`
`16:01.34`	`phrozen77`	`anyone knows how to turn on caller id on qtopia?`
`16:03.07`	`johngay`	`opkg upgrade does nothing.`
`16:03.44`	`TeLLuS`	`johngay: did you run opkg update first?`
`16:03.51`	`johngay`	`Of course.`
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`16:06.07`	`ernst`	`what are the header packages of the kernel ?`
`16:06.53`	`Dave`	`IF ONLY THERE WAS ONE!`
`16:07.07`	`Dave`	`I should make one, and get them to merge it into buildhost.`
`16:07.19`	`Dave`	`ernst, I had to download the kernel source from kernel.org :[`
`16:07.45`	`white_gecko`	`Tanuva: thankyou`
`16:08.06`	`johngay`	`O.K. 2008.8 is officially BANNED from my phone.`
`16:08.21`	`johngay`	`What's next?`
`16:08.27`	`Dave`	`\o/`
`16:08.30`	`Dave`	`2007.2?`
`16:08.37`	`Dave`	`works great, even late!`
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`16:09.00`	`johngay`	`Did that. I was hoping for something that had a future.`
`16:09.20`	`admiral0`	`i installed FSO daily build...`
`16:09.23`	`admiral0`	`wow`
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`16:09.42`	`Dave`	`fuck you`
`16:09.50`	`Dave`	`admiral, how'd it go?`
`16:09.51`	`ernst`	`oh no`
`16:09.57`	`Dave`	`minimal explosions?`
`16:10.02`	`Dave`	`ernst, OH YES`
`16:10.21`	`admiral0`	`Dave, zhone rocks`
`16:10.38`	`admiral0`	`and yes i have the wrench, and illume kbd`
`16:10.52`	`Dave`	`haha`
`16:10.55`	`Dave`	`:)`
`16:11.25`	`admiral0`	`:D`
`16:11.49`	`admiral0`	`now i need the api docs of the FSO`
`16:12.08`	`Dave`	`hah`
`16:12.12`	`Dave`	`Enjoy`
`16:12.20`	`admiral0`	`where can i get something useful?`
`16:12.53`	`admiral0`	`no.... same resolv.conf bug`
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`16:13.48`	`Dave`	`BUG`
`16:13.50`	`Dave`	`you're bugged.`
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`16:14.51`	`johngay`	`So, since 2008.8 is buggered, I guess 2007.2 is my only option???`
`16:15.00`	`Staticwave_Ace`	`FSO, qtopia`
`16:15.30`	`Dave`	`bbq?`
`16:15.39`	`TeLLuS`	`Automatic DNS from dhcp work well with Om2008.8 anyway.. I tested with Open and WPA wifi.`
`16:15.58`	`Staticwave_Ace`	`dave: bbbq, the extra b stands for byobb`
`16:16.02`	`chillywilly`	`fucking iPhone is a jail ;P`
`16:16.05`	`chillywilly`	`bah`
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`16:16.14`	`TeLLuS`	`with my setting`
`16:16.15`	`Staticwave_Ace`	`chillywilly: jailbreak`
`16:16.16`	`johngay`	`I thought FSO wasn't even close to working. And considering they think 2008.8 works, I don't even want to try something they think doesn't work.`
`16:16.24`	`chillywilly`	`Staticwave_Ace: seems like a pain in the ass`
`16:16.40`	`chillywilly`	`Staticwave_Ace: I am hoping I can get a SIM that works in both phones`
`16:17.06`	`Staticwave_Ace`	`chillywilly: http://www.appleiphonereview.com/iphone-tutorials/iphone-jailbreak/`
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`16:17.36`	`chillywilly`	`I have no windows or mac to use the iTunes backup "feature"`
`16:17.38`	`johngay`	`Yea, til Apple bricks it with an automagic update again.`
`16:17.45`	`chillywilly`	`suppose I'd have to get it working in WINE`
`16:17.46`	`chillywilly`	`?`
`16:17.51`	`Staticwave_Ace`	`I suppose`
`16:17.57`	`CM`	`johngay: I'm using FSO`
`16:18.08`	`CM`	`It's not completely stable, but works ok on my GTA01`
`16:18.13`	`chillywilly`	`I don't want to run windows or Mac either`
`16:18.19`	`CIA-22`	`freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r83ec4b40a284 10/odeviced/recipes/odeviced_git.bb: Add libnl to DEPENDS`
`16:18.23`	`chillywilly`	`OSX, whatever you want to call it ;)`
`16:18.29`	`chillywilly`	`shackled 1.0`
`16:18.34`	`admiral0`	`CM: any API documentation of what is implemented?`
`16:18.46`	`chillywilly`	`kiss your freedom goodbye and suck on the apple teet`
`16:18.49`	`admiral0`	`the wiki thing is not so well done`
`16:18.54`	`CM`	`admiral0: Not sure, but mickey\|zzZZzz knows`
`16:18.58`	`chillywilly`	`I think I am having buyer's remorse ;)`
`16:19.01`	`johngay`	`But does it work as a phone?`
`16:19.02`	`Staticwave_Ace`	`admiral0: isn't dbus supposed to be self documenting or somesuch`
`16:19.26`	`phrozen77_`	`lol`
`16:19.30`	`chillywilly`	`I guess I am just not the typical stupid user and want more out of a mobile device`
`16:19.34`	`admiral0`	`Staticwave_Ace: ??`
`16:19.40`	`phrozen77_`	`it seems that when the battery is deep discharged the phone uses an other uboot`
`16:19.46`	`CM`	`admiral0: FSO info at http://www.freesmartphone.org`
`16:19.54`	`phrozen77_`	`wah`
`16:20.14`	`white_gecko`	`i get python error "ImportError: No module named optparse" which python package do i have to install`
`16:20.30`	`Staticwave_Ace`	`admiral0: http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Tutorials`
`16:20.51`	`Staticwave_Ace`	`admiral0: http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Specifications`
`16:20.52`	`white_gecko`	`i can't find a optparse package in repository`
`16:21.00`	`admiral0`	`CM: i know but APIs differ as i saw`
`16:21.01`	`johngay`	`Well, I'm gonna flash back to 2007.2 for now.`
`16:21.09`	`CM`	`Ah, ok`
`16:21.20`	`CM`	`It's changing so fast now I guess`
`16:22.15`	`johngay`	`At least I can use term there and wifi is fine. Guess I'll see how the phone side works when I get a SIM tonite.`
`16:23.35`	`admiral0`	`sorry... kwin hung`
`16:24.31`	`Dave`	`Kung Foo Fightin?`
`16:24.46`	`Dave`	`Staticwave_Ace: that one's a typo ;)`
`16:24.49`	`Dave`	`:)`
`16:25.49`	`johngay`	`flashing . . . again.`
`16:26.10`	`admiral0`	`i feel like installing pydev and making a new app for the FSO`
`16:26.27`	`nyu`	`is it acceptable for .desktop launchers to wait untill the app has finished?`
`16:26.32`	`johngay`	`Guess 2008.8 isn't ready for me.`
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`16:26.42`	`nyu`	`I created a desktop launcher, but the WM will only execute it once`
`16:26.51`	`Dave`	`nyu, huh?`
`16:26.54`	`Dave`	`yeah`
`16:26.56`	`Dave`	`I hope so!`
`16:26.57`	`nyu`	`afterwards, it won't run it again untill a reboot`
`16:27.00`	`Dave`	`nyu, not all do!`
`16:27.01`	`alx____`	`johngay: have your try the raster image? (ilume)`
`16:27.03`	`Dave`	`wtf?`
`16:27.09`	`nyu`	`Dave: explain please?`
`16:27.11`	`Dave`	`Are you talking like mutexes, or what?`
`16:27.20`	`nyu`	`Dave: no, it's not reentrant`
`16:27.21`	`Dave`	`nyu, you mean it will only execute it once, ever!?`
`16:27.25`	`Dave`	`oh`
`16:27.31`	`nyu`	`Dave: the script mounts stuff, runs wesnoth, waits, umounts stuff`
`16:27.36`	`Dave`	`AH`
`16:27.37`	`Dave`	`heh`
`16:27.40`	`Dave`	`I see, I see`
`16:27.42`	`nyu`	`Dave: and after that, it WON'T run again`
`16:27.44`	`Dave`	`until it exits you're saying`
`16:27.53`	`Dave`	`and therefore it never exits/ relaunches?`
`16:27.56`	`phrozen77_`	`dave, is there a fsck for ext3 in the repos?`
`16:27.57`	`nyu`	`Dave: no, _after_ the whole thing, the UI won't relaunch`
`16:28.23`	`Dave`	`phrozen, sure`
`16:28.30`	`Dave`	`I have it installed, so must be :)`
`16:28.35`	`Dave`	`nyu, wtf?`
`16:28.35`	`phrozen77_`	`pkgname?`
`16:28.38`	`Dave`	`very odd`
`16:28.45`	`Dave`	`phrozen, no idea, use search?`
`16:28.59`	`nyu`	`maybe I should use fstab`
`16:29.04`	`nyu`	`but that had its own problem`
`16:29.07`	`Dave`	`probably utils-linux or something`
`16:29.12`	`nyu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:29.17`	`Dave`	`it's provided by e2fsprogs-e2fsck`
`16:29.22`	`nyu`	`sounds like some race, but it doesn't make sense`
`16:29.24`	`Dave`	`according to opkg`
`16:29.35`	`Dave`	`nyu, maybe I can look into it a bit more later`
`16:29.41`	`Dave`	`I'm busy at the moment`
`16:29.43`	`johngay`	`alx, no, if suspend isn't working, what can rasters keyboard do about that???`
`16:29.53`	`nyu`	`sure`
`16:29.56`	`Dave`	`:D`
`16:30.01`	`Dave`	`I look forward to it!`
`16:30.11`	`Dave`	`Hey, it might mean I get to play a game in the process, right? :P`
`16:30.20`	`nyu`	`maybe ;-)`
`16:30.54`	`TeLLuS`	`johngay: Have some days old Om2008.8 flash image with working suspend if you want it..`
`16:31.24`	`Dave`	`:D`
`16:32.42`	`johngay`	`Well, I've got a lot of 'tasks' from the wife, so I don't have time to play )-=`
`16:33.15`	`Dave`	`haha`
`16:33.33`	`johngay`	`But I didn't like the look of 2008 anyway.`
`16:33.57`	`Dave`	`yeah, it's pretty fuglay`
`16:34.33`	`johngay`	`I want something I can use. 2007 seems much more useable ATM.`
`16:36.05`	`johngay`	`Not to mention, it took over 3 times as long to boot. Not very impressive when it keeps shutting down all the time.`
`16:36.40`	`johngay`	`Are the GPS kernel fixes available for 2007.2?`
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`16:37.00`	`Dave`	`YES`
`16:37.02`	`Dave`	`all of them`
`16:37.42`	`johngay`	`So I just need to opkg update && opkg upgrade and I can use GPS with an SD card.`
`16:37.59`	`Dave`	`sure, why not?`
`16:38.02`	`Dave`	`you always could`
`16:38.08`	`Dave`	`it just didn't work as well, initially`
`16:38.11`	`Dave`	`TTFF`
`16:38.24`	`chillywilly`	`yes, this SIM works in my freerunner :)))`
`16:38.32`	`Dave`	`All it does is fuck with the io so it doesn't interfere (as much) with the GPS getting an initial fix`
`16:38.37`	`Dave`	`nice going, chilly! :D`
`16:38.48`	`chillywilly`	`I have freedom :)`
`16:38.50`	`Dave`	`Hooray!`
`16:38.54`	`Dave`	`high-fives chillywily`
`16:38.59`	`phrozen77_`	`Dave, do you have debian installed already?`
`16:39.12`	`Dave`	`nope`
`16:39.16`	`Dave`	`I should though, right? :P`
`16:39.21`	`phrozen77_`	`lol`
`16:39.27`	`phrozen77_`	`yeah, so i can bug you even more ;`
`16:39.28`	`phrozen77_`	`:)`
`16:39.33`	`Dave`	`I'll probably install debian on a couple of mine, when I get more time.`
`16:39.35`	`Dave`	`oh gee, thanks :P`
`16:39.43`	`phrozen77_`	`a couple?!`
`16:39.47`	`Dave`	`yeah`
`16:39.47`	`phrozen77_`	`you got more than one ?`
`16:39.52`	`Dave`	`yeah, I have many`
`16:40.06`	`viq`	`Share! ;)`
`16:40.10`	`phrozen77_`	`bastard`
`16:40.11`	`phrozen77_`	`btw`
`16:40.17`	`johngay`	`Share and Enjoy!`
`16:40.23`	`phrozen77_`	`at least when calling with qtopia i get echoes and whatnot`
`16:40.24`	`phrozen77_`	`normal?`
`16:41.05`	`Dave`	`Do you?`
`16:41.29`	`Dave`	`As far as I know it's more of a hardware problem than anything else, and many crappy software workarounds are being devised.`
`16:41.42`	`Dave`	`I'm not sure what all else is involved, as I am not working on that specific issue.`
`16:42.11`	`TeLLuS`	`phrozen77_: Fix for echo issue with patch and new package in http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267 ! , Much better then before!`
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`16:43.32`	`phrozen77_`	`TeLLuS, so fiddling with the mixer will solve it?`
`16:44.26`	`Dave`	`state files`
`16:44.27`	`TeLLuS`	`phrozen77_: That patch is not fiddeling with the mixer.. It's sending a AT command to the GSM modem.. Don't think that package is for qtopia, but you can probably apply the patch somewhere..`
`16:44.35`	`Dave`	`right`
`16:44.36`	`phrozen77_`	`ok, thanks`
`16:45.27`	`TeLLuS`	`phrozen77_: There is some previous fiddling, ignore that..`
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`16:47.37`	`Dave`	`Die Deutschen!`
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`16:48.52`	`johngay`	`I really wanted to like 2008.8, too )-=`
`16:49.17`	`Dave`	`no idea why`
`16:49.26`	`Dave`	`it's still crappy as far as I know`
`16:49.32`	`johngay`	`I like QT.`
`16:49.42`	`Dave`	`then why aren't you running Qtopia?`
`16:49.59`	`johngay`	`I don't like framebuffer.`
`16:50.38`	`alx____`	`is it legal it copy ideas based on the android winner apps?`
`16:50.41`	`johngay`	`I prefer X. Especially movies rated such.`
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`16:51.25`	`alx____`	`it would be great to push for similarities between platform, and maybe easier to get more devs on openmoko once the framework is stable?`
`16:52.55`	`phrozen77_`	`uhm`
`16:53.11`	`phrozen77_`	`how can i make the dialog that asks me for the pin when registering with gsm popup again?`
`16:54.09`	`alx____`	`phrozen77_: maybe it's still on the top menu?`
`16:54.13`	`phrozen77_`	`restarting gsmd doesnt work..`
`16:54.21`	`phrozen77_`	`alx____, doesnt seem like`
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`16:54.27`	`phrozen77_`	`it says registering though`
`16:54.32`	`phrozen77_`	`but without pin ..`
`16:54.58`	`Dave`	`So?`
`16:55.05`	`Dave`	`Phrozen, search the wiki`
`16:55.06`	`Dave`	`it's there`
`16:55.10`	`phrozen77_`	`oh ok`
`16:55.12`	`Dave`	`Forcing the PIN dialog`
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`16:59.33`	`phrozen77_`	`f.........`
`17:00.32`	`phrozen77_`	`neither google nor the wiki search turn anything useful up`
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`17:02.02`	`swc\|666`	`phrozen77_ has no google'fu`
`17:02.09`	`phrozen77_`	`FUCK YOU KTHX`
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`17:05.38`	`nyu`	`swc\|666 has no people skillz`
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`17:12.40`	`Tig\|`	`phrozen77_: there is some info and suggestions here http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1798 hth :)`
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`17:23.25`	`swc\|666`	`nyu: i have plenty of people skills... and i call it like i see it`
`17:25.03`	`nyu`	`swc\|666: if you get serious, the joke stops being fun :-P`
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`17:34.08`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1928: Settings don't change the suspend time ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1928 )`
`17:37.17`	`TeLLuS`	`"I guess I'm just lucky that mine was configured for "no suspend" when I did the upgrade." That explain why we see different effects...`
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`17:50.37`	`johngay`	`OK. timesheet and to both fail because they can't load libtododb.so.0 Any ideas where they are?`
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`17:54.04`	`johngay`	`I installed libtododb, but I still get the same error.`
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`18:05.21`	`johngay`	`Now I really, really like 2007.2`
`18:05.55`	`johngay`	`Guess I need to start figuring out how this stuff works.`
`18:07.16`	`CIA-22`	`freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r1d272fcb351e 10/odeviced/src/plugins/ (idlenotifier/idlenotifier-helpers.c input/input.vala):`
`18:07.16`	`CIA-22`	`freesmartphone.org: Fix a leak in idlenotifier.`
`18:07.16`	`CIA-22`	`freesmartphone.org: Input: remove duplicate activations of process_uevent idle function`
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`18:16.24`	`jadams_`	`hey, does 2008.8 work on gta01 yet?`
`18:17.21`	`johngay`	`From what I saw, it doesn't even work on the FreeRunner yet.`
`18:18.20`	`jadams_`	`? sucktown`
`18:18.23`	`CIA-22`	`freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rcc894ab6b84a 10/odeviced/src/plugins/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add a couple of missing .vapi's`
`18:19.07`	`jadams_`	`how about the debian fso-pkg install on a gta01?`
`18:19.07`	`johngay`	`Suspend kept cutting in, even when I tried to turn if off and PuTTY dies each time.`
`18:20.15`	`johngay`	`But this was my first attempt at anything but 2007.2`
`18:22.30`	`TeLLuS`	`johngay: Suspend.. http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1928`
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`18:23.12`	`johngay`	`Saw that. But I'll wait to see if it settles down into something more useful first. ATM it's too unstable for me.`
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`18:34.46`	`Dave`	`jadams!`
`18:35.01`	`Dave`	`:)`
`18:35.41`	`Zorkman`	`jadams! my main man`
`18:35.46`	`Zorkman`	`or secondary woman`
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`18:36.23`	`Dave`	`:D`
`18:36.44`	`Dave`	`I would think he's be far beyond tertiary, but hey, it be hard to keep track of dem hos`
`18:37.15`	`Zorkman`	`yeah, "the numbers are rising", they said it on the news yesterday`
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`18:39.48`	`alx___`	`I love my openmoko :D`
`18:40.37`	`Zorkman`	`but is the love mutual?`
`18:41.23`	`alx___`	`we'll see, it's a nice child to watch growing, thanks to you all :)`
`18:41.37`	`jadams_`	`Zorkman, hey!`
`18:41.42`	`jadams_`	`Dave: I know you?`
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`18:42.15`	`Zorkman`	`Dave is a phenomenon, sooner or later you will learn about him :)`
`18:43.10`	`Gromgull`	`I really cannot seem to ever wake up my FR from suspend...`
`18:43.21`	`Gromgull`	`short click on power button is meant to do it in 2008.8, or?`
`18:43.28`	`Zorkman`	`jup`
`18:47.04`	`Dave`	`:)`
`18:47.08`	`Dave`	`I AM DAVE`
`18:47.15`	`CVirus`	`who cares`
`18:47.42`	`Dave`	`Evidently not you.`
`18:47.52`	`Dave`	`Why would you, you're a Virus.`
`18:48.04`	`Dave`	`Stupid Virus, go infect somebody else :P`
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`18:49.20`	`alx___`	`:(`
`18:49.45`	`alx___`	`I've just done an opkg upgrade on raster imge, and I've lost the nicest keyboard.... any way to get it back?`
`18:51.37`	`CVirus`	`Dave: get back to your lab ... tard`
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`18:55.20`	`lindi-`	`alx___: that has been discussed at least three times on the mailing list? i am not following it though`
`18:55.35`	`Dave`	`:p`
`18:56.06`	`Dave`	`CM :)`
`18:56.13`	`alx___`	`lindi-: sorry, i've seen the debate wiki page too, I just didn't know they keyboard will disappear after the upgrade :)`
`18:57.26`	`alx___`	`someone know how easy it is to make a om-maps package? looks like a nice exercice to play with the packaging system`
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`19:06.00`	`harnir`	`hello`
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`19:09.02`	`johngay`	`Anyone got timesheet working in 2007.2???`
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`19:29.03`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1929: Wlan stops working after some time... ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1929 )`
`19:29.49`	`CVirus`	`OMBugsBot: when did you get here ?`
`19:30.34`	`johngay`	`You always talk to 'bots?`
`19:30.55`	`CVirus`	`I can't see how is this bothering you`
`19:31.29`	`johngay`	`It's not bothering me, just curious?`
`19:31.58`	`CVirus`	`well .. no .. I talk to real humans too`
`19:32.41`	`johngay`	`I like to observe people. And stir things up if I can/`
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`19:34.50`	`Zorkman`	`CVirus: since yesterday`
`19:35.09`	`Zorkman`	`I read you already had you Dave-Moment :)`
`19:36.28`	`johngay`	`What's a Dave-Moment :) ?`
`19:36.43`	`Zorkman`	`alx___: don't know about raster's image, but I've been unable to get it back on 2008.8-upgrade, and I read every mail about it`
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`19:37.11`	`Zorkman`	`johngay: when talking about CVirus it means that dave calls him Virus and he gets pissed :)`
`19:37.23`	`Zorkman`	`it makes my day :)`
`19:37.27`	`johngay`	`I C.`
`19:37.58`	`johngay`	`In fact that used to be my job.`
`19:38.04`	`happosade`	`How big were memorycard whit came whit openmoko fr?`
`19:38.14`	`Zorkman`	`there's some talk on the ML that CVirus hired a female serial killer named Lazy Lulu to end Dave's live, but I think that that isn't right`
`19:38.17`	`johngay`	`Mine was 512MB`
`19:38.24`	`Zorkman`	`happosade: 512MB`
`19:38.32`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: hi, you tried new keyboard?`
`19:38.45`	`Zorkman`	`no, 2008.8 still booted`
`19:39.01`	`CVirus`	`lol @ Zorkman`
`19:39.01`	`Zorkman`	`i'll reboot!`
`19:39.19`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: brave man, I wouldn't dare...`
`19:39.34`	`soltys`	`;]`
`19:39.40`	`Zorkman`	`bah, me and my FR came to an agreement`
`19:39.54`	`Zorkman`	`I won't put him in the toaster if he started behaving`
`19:40.09`	`happosade`	`Is Qtopia good for daily usage?`
`19:40.17`	`Zorkman`	`I heard it is ok`
`19:40.19`	`soltys`	`happosade: afaik it is`
`19:40.23`	`johngay`	`Maybe you could have a quiet word with mine? I'm getting ready to re-program it with a cattle prod.`
`19:40.26`	`soltys`	`but not tested it`
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`19:42.41`	`Zorkman`	`'s FR @ 2007.2 always scare's the hell out of him when it boots after 231584minutes and rings because it recieves a ghost-SMS (no SIM inserted..à`
`19:43.02`	`soltys`	`;]]]`
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`19:49.35`	`Zorkman`	`harnir: I like the keyboard`
`19:49.49`	`Zorkman`	`harnir: put it on the wiki if you please`
`19:50.46`	`soltys`	`heh my FR @ 2007.2 is driving me mad ;/`
`19:50.54`	`Zorkman`	`why soltys?`
`19:51.00`	`soltys`	`it wakes from suspend in random moments;/`
`19:51.05`	`Zorkman`	`(are you trying to use it as a GSM naughty boy??)`
`19:51.14`	`Zorkman`	`haha, yeah, that's the GSM re-registering....`
`19:51.18`	`Zorkman`	`it sucks...`
`19:51.19`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: how's the layout?`
`19:52.05`	`soltys`	`Zorkman: uhm 2008.8 didn't have that problems..`
`19:52.11`	`Zorkman`	`soltys: i know`
`19:52.17`	`Zorkman`	`harnir: a few remarks`
`19:52.30`	`soltys`	`but i crash it several times`
`19:52.36`	`soltys`	`with upgrade ;]`
`19:52.37`	`Zorkman`	`the pannel you get when presin <=>`
`19:52.49`	`Zorkman`	`why are there letters like a b c d e f there?`
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`19:53.19`	`harnir`	`so you can write for example: 00:0a:cf:d5:23:c5`
`19:53.27`	`harnir`	`or: #aa3351`
`19:53.31`	`Zorkman`	`aha`
`19:53.45`	`harnir`	`do you know hexadecimal?`
`19:54.02`	`harnir`	`0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,a,b,c,d,e,f`
`19:54.06`	`Zorkman`	`yeah harnir i know it :)`
`19:54.29`	`Zorkman`	`another one: when pressing shift, the top row of the default layout doesn't change`
`19:54.44`	`harnir`	`I don't know what to put there`
`19:54.47`	`harnir`	`any ideas?`
`19:54.49`	`Zorkman`	`numbers?`
`19:54.56`	`Zorkman`	`dunno...`
`19:55.04`	`harnir`	`numbers are also under diamond`
`19:55.12`	`Zorkman`	`yeah i know`
`19:55.41`	`harnir`	`besides, that row is for national characters, like polish letters`
`19:55.42`	`Zorkman`	`but you could put at least an exlamation mark there`
`19:55.53`	`harnir`	`shifted shows big letters there`
`19:56.12`	`Zorkman`	`that default keyboard should include everything for sms, so also an exlamation point (!)`
`19:56.18`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: will try to find some useful chars then`
`19:56.27`	`Zorkman`	`I really like your implementation of "capslock"`
`19:56.36`	`harnir`	`was in one of previous versions ;-)`
`19:56.47`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: caps lock blocks symbols, unfortunately`
`19:57.08`	`Zorkman`	`harnir, some suggestions: " ' ! ; ( ) ^`
`19:57.21`	`Zorkman`	`(the last three are also usefull for smileys`
`19:57.30`	`Zorkman`	`" ' ! ; ( ) ^ _`
`19:57.42`	`harnir`	`ok`
`19:57.49`	`Zorkman`	`' and " are not both nescessary i think, one of them is enough`
`19:59.30`	`tunys`	`guys! we need to run another test on the FreeRunner!`
`19:59.35`	`dolf1074`	`is here somebody with u-boot knowledge? I'm trying to get FSO on my SD card, but get kernel panic`
`19:59.44`	`tunys`	`It's possible that it may be...`
`19:59.46`	`tunys`	`evil..`
`19:59.49`	`tunys`	`look at this: http://is.gd/24sH`
`20:00.03`	`tunys`	`that phone is clearly evil. But what about the FreeRunner?`
`20:00.07`	`tunys`	`is it that evil?`
`20:00.11`	`harnir`	`one mre char...`
`20:00.57`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: any suggestions for the last charater?`
`20:01.35`	`Zorkman`	`@ ?`
`20:01.46`	`tunys`	`Guys, this is serial!`
`20:01.59`	`Zorkman`	`for e-mail or shortening "at"`
`20:02.02`	`harnir`	`good one`
`20:04.04`	`OMBugsBot`	`[Bug] #1930: Another keyboard implementation ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1930 )`
`20:05.41`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: updated the keyboard file on my wiki`
`20:05.49`	`harnir`	`you can grab it`
`20:05.53`	`Zorkman`	`I will :)`
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`20:07.51`	`Zorkman`	`harnir: you sure? it's still the same`
`20:08.11`	`AntonTakk`	`my contacts app can add people to the evolution address book :)`
`20:08.28`	`harnir`	`moment`
`20:09.50`	`TAsn`	`AntonTakk, WAIT! don't move!`
`20:10.01`	`TAsn`	`what contact app, and how do i get it?`
`20:10.08`	`TAsn`	`:)`
`20:10.49`	`AntonTakk`	`TAsn: the one i'm writing, and to get it atm you'd have to recieve a tarball from me and compile the one c file in it`
`20:11.04`	`TAsn`	`i don't have to phone yet`
`20:11.07`	`TAsn`	`so i can wait :)`
`20:11.14`	`soltys`	`AntonTakk: make a package ;]`
`20:11.26`	`TAsn`	`what are you using in order to write to the evolution address book?`
`20:11.31`	`TAsn`	`what API?`
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`20:14.15`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: http://wiki.harnir.net/_media/openmoko:file:keyboard-compressed.xml.gz?id=openmoko%3Akeyboard-compressed&cache=cache`
`20:14.28`	`AntonTakk`	`Tanuva: libebook > eds`
`20:14.29`	`harnir`	`I downloaded it just now and it's an updated version`
`20:14.39`	`AntonTakk`	`er`
`20:14.41`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: clear the cache maybe?`
`20:15.12`	`AntonTakk`	`TAsn: using libebook - the same lib evolution uses :)`
`20:15.13`	`Zorkman`	`still exactly 8.581 bytes.. i'll check`
`20:15.28`	`TAsn`	`cool enough :)`
`20:15.32`	`harnir`	`it should by under 1kb`
`20:15.46`	`Zorkman`	`(the xml)`
`20:15.50`	`AntonTakk`	`TAsn: there is no gui atm, once i get basic add/remove/view/edit i'll make gui`
`20:16.07`	`TAsn`	`AntonTakk, gui is overrated.`
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`20:16.20`	`AntonTakk`	`TAsn: also, aiming for fso, so it's an edje gui`
`20:16.31`	`TAsn`	`cool enough :)))`
`20:16.41`	`TAsn`	`when will it be over?`
`20:16.46`	`AntonTakk`	`...`
`20:16.59`	`Zorkman`	`harnir: nope :)`
`20:17.22`	`TAsn`	`;)`
`20:17.40`	`AntonTakk`	`when it has a nice usable gui and can add/remove/edit and view contacts with all available attributes`
`20:18.00`	`Zorkman`	`go AntonTakk!`
`20:18.05`	`AntonTakk`	`as well as initiate calls/txt/etc`
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`20:19.20`	`donaq`	`w00t`
`20:19.36`	`donaq`	`debian + xfce is cool`
`20:19.47`	`donaq`	`but how do u do input in shell?`
`20:22.50`	`dolf1074`	`does anybody know how I can extract .jffs2 file?`
`20:23.16`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: ah, sorry, it's 8820 bytes here`
`20:23.27`	`harnir`	`I dowonloaded it again from that address`
`20:23.42`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: reload the page bypassing the cache?`
`20:23.48`	`harnir`	`open it in different browser?`
`20:24.32`	`mjr`	`dolf1074, set up a virtual mtd device using it as a backend and mount it`
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`20:24.46`	`Zorkman`	`done`
`20:25.04`	`Zorkman`	`dolf1074: i think you need to mount it on a loopback device`
`20:25.07`	`Zorkman`	`info on the wiki`
`20:25.19`	`dolf1074`	`where on the wiki?`
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`20:25.53`	`dolf1074`	`ok, founded`
`20:25.55`	`dolf1074`	`http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image`
`20:25.58`	`dolf1074`	`thanks anywhay`
`20:26.02`	`dolf1074`	`anyway`
`20:26.05`	`Zorkman`	`np`
`20:26.45`	`Zorkman`	`harnir: nice work`
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`20:36.08`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: thanks :-)`
`20:37.01`	`soltys`	`harnir: show screens ;]`
`20:37.37`	`Zorkman`	`soltys: http://wiki.harnir.net/openmoko:keyboard-compressed`
`20:42.38`	`TAsn`	`Zorkman, thanks. that's handy :)`
`20:42.47`	`Zorkman`	`thank harnir`
`20:42.55`	`TAsn`	`harnir, thanks :)`
`20:43.05`	`Zorkman`	`harnir: did you already add it to the wiki?`
`20:43.10`	`Zorkman`	`otherwise I will`
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`20:43.57`	`Zorkman`	`maybe you should send a mail on the community list (otherwise I also will do this :)) I think a lot of 2007.2 users will like this`
`20:44.03`	`Mononoke`	`is there way to fix cairo problems on 2007.2 ?`
`20:44.17`	`Zorkman`	`don't knpw, I haven't encountered them yet`
`20:44.23`	`Zorkman`	`have you checked the buglist Mononoke?`
`20:44.59`	`Mononoke`	`only reliable is http://n2.nabble.com/Can't-run-python-apps---ImportError:-No-module-named-cairo-td729990.html but it's link is for 2008.8 repo :/`
`20:45.35`	`Zorkman`	`there was also a mail on the community list with the subject Need help [python-pygtk-dev error ]`
`20:45.40`	`Zorkman`	`that also is about cairo`
`20:45.50`	`Zorkman`	`but no replies yet`
`20:46.53`	`happosade`	`FR WiFi-drivers are closed source?`
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`20:49.31`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: nt yet`
`20:49.50`	`Mononoke`	`oh opkg install http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv4t/python/python-pycairo_1.4.0-ml0_armv4t.ipk fixed it`
`20:50.00`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: do it if you can, thanks from the mountain :-)`
`20:50.10`	`harnir`	`I don't have an account there yet`
`20:50.16`	`Zorkman`	`np`
`20:50.27`	`harnir`	`thx`
`20:50.40`	`Zorkman`	`I'll try to keep it consise`
`20:50.45`	`tunys`	`:(`
`20:50.46`	`harnir`	`ok`
`20:50.51`	`tunys`	`wait for mail truck`
`20:50.56`	`harnir`	`discuss dialog shows on the wiki page?`
`20:51.22`	`tunys`	`it's just about 2`
`20:51.29`	`tunys`	`the mail should come any minute`
`20:51.31`	`tunys`	`:(`
`20:53.01`	`soltys`	`hehe`
`20:53.08`	`soltys`	`what a countdown ;]`
`20:53.40`	`happosade`	`Do kismet works whit FR`
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`20:58.40`	`TAsn`	`happosade, not sure the firmware supports promiscuous mode yet.`
`20:58.47`	`TAsn`	`happosade, though im not sure.`
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`20:59.10`	`TAsn`	`anyhow, wardriving with the tiny moko ant isn't a good idea :)`
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`21:02.30`	`tunys`	`now it's 2:04`
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`21:02.32`	`Zorkman`	`harnir: i can't figure out the url of your files, the om wiki can't display http://wiki.harnir.net/_media/openmoko:img:matchbox-keyboard-general.png?cache=cache`
`21:02.40`	`tunys`	`the mail SHOULD have been here four minutes ago`
`21:02.51`	`admiral0`	`hi guys i Am writing from thefreerunner`
`21:02.57`	`Zorkman`	`llo :)`
`21:03.25`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: well, DokuWiki serves them... what do you mean 'can't display'? maybe put them in tinyurl then?`
`21:04.09`	`Zorkman`	`[[Image:http://wiki.harnir.net/_media/openmoko:img:matchbox-keyboard-general.png]] is being displayed as Image:Http://wiki.harnir.net/ media/openmoko:img:matchbox-keyboard-general.png Openmoko:Img:matchbox-keyboard-general.png?256`
`21:04.12`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: or put just the link to the wiki page itself, people will figure the rest by themselves? ;-)`
`21:04.25`	`Zorkman`	`yeah they will, but it is easier t have all the info on one page`
`21:04.50`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: ah, it's DokuWiki, so syntax is different than MediaWiki`
`21:04.58`	`harnir`	`you have to modify the syntax`
`21:05.05`	`Zorkman`	`I know, and I'm doing that`
`21:05.11`	`Zorkman`	`but I need the url of the png file`
`21:05.16`	`harnir`	`and probably move the files and images over`
`21:05.22`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: moment`
`21:05.32`	`Zorkman`	`there is "openmoko:img:matchbox.." in the only url i can find`
`21:06.02`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: http://wiki.harnir.net/_media/openmoko:img:matchbox-keyboard-general.png`
`21:06.09`	`Zorkman`	`yeah I found that url,`
`21:06.22`	`Zorkman`	`but there is a ":" in the url and that doesn't work on the openmoko wiki`
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`21:06.39`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: so you need to move the images to the OM wiki`
`21:06.46`	`harnir`	`not serve them from my wiki`
`21:09.48`	`johngay`	`Anyone got timesheet working in 2007.2???`
`21:10.27`	`harnir`	`johngay: timesheet and gpe-todo are crasing for me, have you tried running it from the terminal?`
`21:11.10`	`johngay`	`Yes, it says it can't find libtododb.so.0 I've installed libtododb, but can't find the file.`
`21:12.13`	`TAsn`	`i really think libglade should be embraced by everyone`
`21:12.37`	`johngay`	`Embrace and Extend??`
`21:13.01`	`TAsn`	`this will close a big gap exists among all the linux platforms.`
`21:13.11`	`TAsn`	`johngay, yeah. though it is usable as is.`
`21:13.29`	`johngay`	`Guess you missed my reference.`
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`21:13.42`	`johngay`	`Look up the Halloween Document.`
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`21:14.31`	`johngay`	`Anyone know what happened to libtododb?`
`21:14.48`	`pb__`	`What files have you got in the libtododb0 package?`
`21:15.03`	`phrozen77_`	`evening all`
`21:15.48`	`harnir`	`opkg needs support for -L switch from dpkg`
`21:15.48`	`johngay`	`That's the problem. I've got libtododb installed, but I don't have libtododb.so.0`
`21:16.02`	`pb__`	`right, so what files are in the package you installed?`
`21:16.11`	`pb__`	`harnir: isn't "opkg files" what you want?`
`21:16.13`	`phrozen77_`	`harnir, opkg files pkg`
`21:16.14`	`phrozen77_`	`^^`
`21:16.20`	`harnir`	`let me check`
`21:16.23`	`phrozen77_`	`it is`
`21:16.23`	`TAsn`	`johngay, link me.`
`21:16.33`	`harnir`	`sweet, good to know`
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`21:16.38`	`Zorkman`	`harnir: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards_on_Om_2007.2#Modified_Matchbox_Keyboard:_finger_friendly`
`21:16.56`	`phrozen77_`	`oh hai z0rkm4n`
`21:16.57`	`phrozen77_`	`:)`
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`21:17.05`	`Zorkman`	`hello phrozen77_`
`21:17.07`	`johngay`	`TAsn: it's on ESR's homepage.`
`21:17.14`	`TAsn`	`what's esr?!`
`21:17.38`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: it actually is feasible without stylus? I didn't try it much that way`
`21:17.49`	`Zorkman`	`jup`
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`21:18.03`	`harnir`	`TAsn: not 'what' but 'who' - Eric S. Raymond.`
`21:18.10`	`johngay`	`You really are a noob (-=`
`21:18.12`	`TAsn`	`i c.`
`21:18.28`	`TAsn`	`johngay, well i didn't get mine yet.`
`21:18.34`	`TAsn`	`though im idling here for moths now ;0`
`21:19.38`	`johngay`	`ERS is one of the three top names in Linux, along with Linux and RMS`
`21:19.40`	`harnir`	`Zorkman: very nice, thanks! :-)`
`21:19.53`	`Zorkman`	`np`
`21:19.57`	`harnir`	`my first contribution to OM project is a fact! :-)`
`21:20.02`	`johngay`	`libtododb installs :`
`21:20.03`	`Zorkman`	`congratz!`
`21:20.13`	`harnir`	`thx :=)`
`21:20.14`	`CVirus`	`johngay: who is Linux ?`
`21:20.17`	`Zorkman`	`I suck at programming so this is one of my ways to contribute :)`
`21:20.26`	`johngay`	`I meant Linus.`
`21:20.30`	`Zorkman`	`:)`
`21:20.44`	`harnir`	`johngay: isn't that a synonym already? ;-)`
`21:20.50`	`johngay`	`So, where is libtododb.so.0?`
`21:21.19`	`pb__`	`johngay: so, you're saying that libtododb installs nothing at all?`
`21:21.19`	`johngay`	`No, Linus is a programmer. Linux is a kernel in his army for world domination (-=`
`21:21.25`	`pb__`	`where did this .ipk come from?`
`21:21.30`	`johngay`	`That's what opkg says.`
`21:21.58`	`pb__`	`and the package definitely is named "libtododb", right, not libtododb0?`
`21:22.38`	`johngay`	`Yes.`
`21:24.31`	`Marcel_M`	`johngay: it should be in /usr/lib (libtododb.so.0 a link to libtododb.so.0.0.0)`
`21:24.38`	`harnir`	`I wonder if beginnins of Debian and dpkg looked the same as OM and opkg, ie. multiple, unsynchronised, decentralised repositories...`
`21:24.55`	`Zorkman`	`wonders what the use is of those .so.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 names`
`21:25.22`	`pb__`	`Zorkman: if you have a packaging system, none really.`
`21:25.31`	`pb__`	`if you don't, to let you see what version of the library is actually installed`
`21:25.53`	`Zorkman`	`yeah, but to me (a noob) .so.0.0 should be equal to 0.0.0.0`
`21:26.03`	`johngay`	`But it's not. And I can't find what provides it.`
`21:26.22`	`pb__`	`johngay: again, where did this .ipk that you installed come from/`
`21:26.53`	`johngay`	`buildhost?`
`21:27.16`	`Marcel_M`	`johngay: try this one (it contains the lib) http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/misc/libtododb0_0.11-r0_armv4t.ipk`
`21:27.27`	`johngay`	`I'm trying to get timesheet and todo to work.`
`21:27.57`	`pb__`	`johngay: what url specifically?`
`21:28.16`	`tomboy64`	`how do i get WiFi in 2008.8 to respect my wpa_supplicant.conf?`
`21:28.24`	`pb__`	`the one at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/libtododb0_0.11-r0_armv4t.ipk looks fine, so presumably that's not the one you installed`
`21:28.28`	`tomboy64`	`e.g. how do i connect without having to enter a password?`
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`21:30.50`	`johngay`	`I'm using -force-reinstall now.`
`21:31.08`	`pb__`	`Zorkman: yeah, that's not quite how it works. one of those names, usually the shorter one (e.g. ".so.0") is the binary interface name and doesn't necessarily correlate with the version of the library. the longer one is, traditionally, the actual version of the library that you're using.`
`21:31.25`	`johngay`	`STill did'nt install anything`
`21:31.38`	`Zorkman`	`thanks for the info pb__, i'm still trying to learn :)`
`21:32.28`	`pb__`	`johngay: you still haven't actually said what specific ipk file you are installing. it's hard to guess what might be going wrong without that information.`
`21:32.32`	`phrozen77_`	`does qtopia support wlan? i can use it in the network settings but in the devtools menu its not listed?`
`21:32.45`	`pb__`	`johngay: if you paste the url of the binary you're using here, that would help.`
`21:33.00`	`johngay`	`t http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libtododb0_0.11-r0_armv4t.ipk`
`21:33.28`	`johngay`	`Can't paste. Chat on desktop, using term on FR.`
`21:33.44`	`pb__`	`ah, I see`
`21:33.59`	`johngay`	`I've only used opkg update && opkg upgrade.`
`21:34.02`	`rwhitby`	`You all know that buildhost is deprecated, right?`
`21:34.24`	`johngay`	`buildhost is for 2007.2, right?`
`21:34.26`	`pb__`	`ah right, this one? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libtododb_0.11-r0_armv4t.ipk`
`21:34.32`	`rwhitby`	`and that openmoko are going to turn off the webserver on it according to emails from them ...`
`21:34.34`	`pb__`	`that does indeed look like a broken package`
`21:34.51`	`johngay`	`That's what opkg installs. )-=`
`21:34.52`	`pb__`	`try the one from the 2007.2 directory that I mentioned earlier, that has the right files in`
`21:35.05`	`Zorkman`	`have a good holliday DocS__holiday`
`21:35.17`	`johngay`	`Where do you change the repository?`
`21:35.26`	`pb__`	`you can just give opkg the url directly`
`21:35.34`	`Zorkman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:35.36`	`johngay`	`Gotta run soon, though. Thanks for the help.`
`21:35.36`	`pb__`	`opkg install http://whatever/foo.ipk`
`21:35.42`	`pb__`	`or, yeah, what zorkman said`
`21:36.06`	`johngay`	`Like I'm gonna type that url into term on the FR (-=`
`21:36.20`	`pb__`	`heh`
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`21:36.34`	`Zorkman`	`johngay: can't you ssh in?`
`21:37.01`	`johngay`	`Don't have ssh on my desktop. Too lazy to build it.`
`21:37.07`	`Zorkman`	`???`
`21:37.17`	`Zorkman`	`you only need a terminal to ssh...`
`21:37.44`	`johngay`	`It's a KDE desktop I built from scratch using LFS && BLFS.`
`21:37.48`	`Zorkman`	`aha`
`21:37.55`	`johngay`	`I didn't build ssh`
`21:38.02`	`phrozen77_`	`hm`
`21:38.02`	`viq`	`Hah`
`21:38.04`	`Zorkman`	`too bad :)`
`21:38.19`	`phrozen77_`	`is there any way to remove added networks in qtopia? somehow it seems its lacking that option?!`
`21:38.42`	`johngay`	`Can you send my the url for stable 2007.2 repositories to upgrade from, if buildhost is going down?`
`21:40.30`	`johngay`	`is http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/libtododb0_0.11-r0_armv4t.ipk gonna stay up for a while?`
`21:41.00`	`johngay`	`Sorry, gotta go.`
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`21:44.05`	`DocS__holiday`	`Zorkman: thanks. Just running from madness. GTA03 is about confusion, GTA04 is about illusion`
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`21:44.21`	`Zorkman`	`:( too bad to hear that DocS__holiday`
`21:44.28`	`Zorkman`	`you're going on a long holiday?`
`21:44.38`	`Zorkman`	`(I hope it for you, I don't hope it for our FR ;-))`
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`21:44.49`	`soltys`	`;]`
`21:44.56`	`DocS__holiday`	`as long as I'm feeling pissed off the way I feel right now`
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`21:45.46`	`Zorkman`	`:( maybe you should start a putch, I'm with you :)`
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`21:46.11`	`viq`	`Hm? What's going on?`
`21:46.18`	`phrozen77_`	`wonders too`
`21:47.17`	`ShellEvil`	`Zorkman: make sure you send it to the putch submission address, with the correct whitespacing.`
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`21:47.57`	`Zorkman`	`I don't understand that one ShellEvil :) is putch also something like pushing patches upstream?`
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`22:00.46`	`pete_b`	`hi`
`22:01.16`	`pete_b`	`anyone else has a problem after suspend with the display in landscape mode ?`
`22:01.49`	`Zorkman`	`haven't tested it`
`22:01.52`	`Zorkman`	`on what image pete_b?`
`22:02.13`	`pete_b`	`self build asu stuff`
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`22:06.01`	`pete_b`	`there it is: bug #1336`
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`22:13.50`	`jucs`	`Hey ;-)`
`22:14.42`	`tomboy64`	`is there a wifi gui for 2008.8?`
`22:14.44`	`Zorkman`	`jucstophalous!`
`22:14.51`	`Zorkman`	`tomboy64: mofi`
`22:14.57`	`jucs`	`:-D Zorkman...`
`22:14.58`	`tomboy64`	`it segv's`
`22:15.08`	`jucs`	`Mofi seems to have a problem with WEP networks...`
`22:15.11`	`Zorkman`	`there is lintwifi.. but that doesn't work for me`
`22:15.17`	`Zorkman`	`and you also have wifi-radar`
`22:15.18`	`tomboy64`	`mhm`
`22:15.21`	`tomboy64`	`for me neither`
`22:15.25`	`tomboy64`	`wifi-radar?`
`22:15.28`	`tomboy64`	`where can i get it?`
`22:15.31`	`jucs`	`wifi-radar?`
`22:15.42`	`jucs`	`lint-wifi looks fine but doesn't work at all...`
`22:16.13`	`Zorkman`	`wifi-radar is in the 2007.2 rep`
`22:16.18`	`Zorkman`	`don't know if it is in the asu one`
`22:16.31`	`tomboy64`	`no`
`22:16.38`	`jucs`	`Gosh, the OpenStreetMap-"Complete-Edition" is over 93 Gigabytes big! :-D`
`22:16.55`	`tomboy64`	`:)`
`22:17.10`	`tomboy64`	`what does a red glowing aux-button mean? o.O`
`22:17.11`	`Wonka`	`see why i want a 128GB microSD? ;)`
`22:17.28`	`Zorkman`	`tomboy64: charging`
`22:17.34`	`Zorkman`	`tomboy64: if it blinks: kernel panic`
`22:17.36`	`tomboy64`	`ahh`
`22:17.38`	`tomboy64`	`ok`
`22:17.59`	`jucs`	`Wonka: Sure :-D`
`22:18.25`	`Wonka`	`hmm... where should one send wishes about tangogops?`
`22:18.31`	`Zorkman`	`to marcus bauer`
`22:18.36`	`Zorkman`	`just e-mail him`
`22:18.45`	`jucs`	`And if you look and informationfreeway.org you'll ask yourself, what the size will be if they ever get the most parts of the world crawled...`
`22:18.56`	`Wonka`	`i'd like to be able to delete POIs and to set waypoints by entering coordinates...`
`22:19.07`	`Zorkman`	`Wonka: marcus.bauer@gmail.com`
`22:19.11`	`Zorkman`	`and you can already do that Wonka`
`22:19.23`	`jucs`	`Wonka: I delete POIs by setting them to lat 0 / lon 0 :-P`
`22:19.23`	`Wonka`	`both?`
`22:19.33`	`Zorkman`	`click on the map, select add point POI and then you can enter the coordinates`
`22:19.45`	`Wonka`	`waypoint =!= POI`
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`22:21.17`	`Zorkman`	`Wonka: e-mail him, he's open to suggestion and very friendly`
`22:21.36`	`Zorkman`	`it should be fairly trivial to add that since there is already an interface for it that is used for the POI`
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`22:23.33`	`Wonka`	`ack. will do.`
`22:28.52`	`jucs`	`They should reeeeeally implement an option to disable the OSD -.-`
`22:29.06`	`jucs`	`It's soo annoying... the only thing I hate about tangoGPS...`
`22:29.56`	`jucs`	`At least they made it smaller...`
`22:36.47`	`dolf1074`	`I can't get usb network on my om2007.2, is there any guide?`
`22:37.11`	`SpeedEvil`	`'can't get?`
`22:37.18`	`SpeedEvil`	`Does it show up on lsusb`
`22:37.43`	`SpeedEvil`	`Do you have the cdc_acm module/builtin set to yes/installed.`
`22:37.48`	`dolf1074`	`no devices that contain something familiar`
`22:37.49`	`SpeedEvil`	`Do you get a usb0`
`22:38.08`	`SpeedEvil`	`err`
`22:38.10`	`SpeedEvil`	`cdc_ether`
`22:38.27`	`dolf1074`	`on the freerunner?`
`22:38.29`	`Wonka`	`jucs: the speed display?`
`22:38.39`	`jucs`	`Wonka: Yes :-p`
`22:38.58`	`SpeedEvil`	`dolf1074: no - host`
`22:39.45`	`jucs`	`I actually found a way to disable it in the source, but I'm too stupid to compile it for the freerunner ....`
`22:39.52`	`dolf1074`	`normally my host should be fine, because I can connect Om2008.8 with my computer`
`22:40.22`	`dolf1074`	`my comp doesn't know cdc_ether and cdc_acm`
`22:41.38`	`Wonka`	`jucs: http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/News`
`22:41.47`	`Wonka`	`jucs: POIs can be deleted in 0.9.3`
`22:42.07`	`jucs`	`Wonka: I wasn't talking about POIs...`
`22:42.23`	`Wonka`	`jucs: i know, but that would've been one of my points`
`22:42.52`	`jucs`	`Ah :-) I didn't remember that it was you who complained about that :-D`
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`22:43.48`	`SpeedEvil`	`dolf1074: if you can connect with 2008.8 - it must have them builtin`
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`22:44.37`	`Wonka`	`and one can create a POI and then click "go to", which sets it as a waypoint`
`22:44.47`	`Wonka`	`so, my features are there ;)`
`22:44.49`	`jucs`	`Nice, yes :-P`
`22:44.50`	`jucs`	`;-)`
`22:44.56`	`Wonka`	`jucs: you gotta mail him yourself then`
`22:45.40`	`jucs`	`As as I told him or at least someone in the development here some days ago, I hope they'll already know...`
`22:46.01`	`dolf1074`	`I followed the guide on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking (ubuntu), so normally it should recognize the neo? But if I ping to 192.168.0.202, I get nothing`
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`22:46.16`	`jucs`	`For know, I could solve it on my own if I learned how to cross-compile :-P`
`22:46.37`	`jucs`	`ï»¿dolf1074: Should work on Hardy....`
`22:47.03`	Toaster`	`What does it mean when the AUX LED id constantly flashing quickly and my FR is unresponsive?`
`22:47.05`	`dolf1074`	`I will try further :( (maybe reboot)`
`22:47.32`	`tunys`	`AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!`
`22:47.37`	`jucs`	`Toaster: I think it means your kernel crashed...`
`22:47.40`	`tunys`	`it's in my lap!!!`
`22:47.43`	`tunys`	`I own one!!!`
`22:47.44`	`stevenSn`	`Toaster: You crashed the phone, remove the battery to reboot`
`22:47.46`	Toaster`	`jucs: awesome :(`
`22:48.01`	`jucs`	`Poor you :-8`
`22:48.03`	`jucs`	`:-(`
`22:48.17`	Toaster`	`It was working wonderfuly too`
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`22:49.19`	Toaster`	`I had it charging, and just noticed the blinking. I guess I was too hopeful.`
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`22:50.57`	`jucs`	`Toaster: Where?`
`22:51.04`	`jucs`	`Toaster: With wall charger?`
`22:51.10`	Toaster`	`jucs: usb`
`22:51.39`	`jucs`	`Toaster: hmm... mine always crashes when it's charging via wall and doing any audio thing...`
`22:52.04`	Toaster`	`jucs: odd.`
`22:52.12`	`jucs`	`Strange, I know...`
`22:52.14`	Toaster`	`heh, I lost the time settings too`
`22:52.26`	`jucs`	`:-D`
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`23:01.41`	`niklauz`	`i saw something recently about some new hardware, any news about that?`
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`23:13.09`	`nyu`	`wesnoth on FR caused impression today`
`23:13.22`	`nyu`	`maybe I'll try freeciv now`
`23:13.52`	`niklauz`	`nyu: u ran it on yours or are you talking about an article? can you post pics?`
`23:14.01`	`nyu`	`niklauz: just run it`
`23:14.12`	`nyu`	`niklauz: http://newpeople.debian.org/~rmh/freerunner/`
`23:14.25`	`cjb`	`ooh, wesnoth`
`23:14.48`	`niklauz`	`oooo wow...`
`23:14.52`	`niklauz`	`that wowo`
`23:14.58`	`cjb`	`nyu: nice :)`
`23:15.04`	`niklauz`	`that looks really good`
`23:15.16`	`nyu`	`my non-geek friends were impressed by wesnoth, and my geek friends were awfully impressed by 'ps aux'`
`23:15.20`	`niklauz`	`i was not expecting to see something that looks that good lol`
`23:15.33`	`nyu`	`niklauz: actually, it looks worse when you use tinygui`
`23:15.40`	`nyu`	`which is a must, sadly`
`23:15.41`	`CVirus`	`nyu: how fast/responsive is wesnoth and epiphany on the FreeRunner ?`
`23:15.43`	`nyu`	`or you can't play`
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`23:16.01`	`nyu`	`CVirus: both take ages to load, but otherwise work reasonably well`
`23:16.19`	`CVirus`	`I see`
`23:16.20`	`nyu`	`any freeciv players around?`
`23:16.29`	`nyu`	`I wonder if you can play that game without right-click or keyboard`
`23:16.35`	`niklauz`	`idk what tinygui is... was that using debian as a base?`
`23:16.50`	`nyu`	`niklauz: yes, but debian packages don't enable tinygui, so I had to rebuild`
`23:17.12`	`nyu`	`niklauz: it's a build option (--enable-tinygui)`
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`23:18.14`	`niklauz`	`is that a custom option for wesnoth or like an add-on or something re-usable?`
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`23:27.18`	`nyu`	`niklauz: it's a build option in official wesnoth`
`23:42.00`	`tunys`	`hiya`
`23:42.15`	`tunys`	`I just now got my FreeRunner (AAAHHH!!!) and I'm trying to SSH into it`
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`23:42.27`	`tunys`	`the default password is blank, it says on the wiki`
`23:42.34`	`tunys`	`is that the word blank or nothing at all?`
`23:42.37`	`tunys`	`or just a space?`
`23:42.43`	`tunys`	`because none of the above three work.`
`23:44.14`	`jucs`	`Good night @all!`
`23:44.16`	`jucs`	`;-)`
`23:44.28`	`Staticwave_Ace`	`tunys: should nothing at all (just enter)`
`23:45.17`	`tunys`	`:/`
`23:45.20`	`tunys`	`not working`
`23:45.33`	`tunys`	`tuna@supertunacomp:~$ ssh root@192.168.0.200`
`23:45.34`	`tunys`	`root@192.168.0.200's password:`
`23:45.34`	`tunys`	`Permission denied, please try again.`
`23:45.48`	`tunys`	`(was I supposed to pastebin that? it's only three lines"`
`23:45.52`	`tunys`	`s/"/)/`
`23:46.27`	`SpeedEvil`	`did you just hit enter?`
`23:46.36`	`tunys`	`yep`
`23:46.50`	`Sargun`	`Reflash.`
`23:46.55`	`SpeedEvil`	`you're sure you aren't trying to connect to your own box?`
`23:47.09`	`Sargun`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:47.23`	`tunys`	`Sargun's right`
`23:47.28`	`tunys`	`SpeedEvil: I must have been :P`
`23:47.38`	`tunys`	`thanks!`
`23:48.23`	`Sargun`	`Blame SpeedEvil, it was his fault that you have access to your FR`
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