| 00:00.25 | johngay | Hey! the battery icon just turned green. Guess it's charged now. |
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| 00:03.56 | johngay | opkg -test upgrade is only a trial run, right? It seems to be D/Ling a lot of stuff for a dummy run /-: |
| 00:04.16 | alphabeat | i believe it downloads but only tests the install part |
| 00:07.49 | johngay | OK. Stupid Question time. Is it possible to plug in a USB keyboard AND USB-serial cable at the same time and use both? |
| 00:08.45 | johnsu01 | sweet, the freerunner is chugging through my imap mail |
| 00:09.40 | slaxxin | that might kill the battery quick |
| 00:10.04 | johnsu01 | hm, it doesn't handle courier folder names too well though |
| 00:10.17 | johnsu01 | for archive.2007 it only shows 2007 |
| 00:10.27 | johnsu01 | INBOX.archive.2007, that is |
| 00:12.03 | johngay | So when I change to a different wireless point, I'll need to find out the essid with iwlist, then set the FR with iwconfig before I start udhcpc |
| 00:12.35 | cjb | johngay: |
| 00:12.41 | cjb | O |
| 00:12.50 | cjb | johngay: of course. how else would it work? |
| 00:13.45 | johnsu01 | hm, doesn't seem to be a way to subscribe only to specific imap folders either |
| 00:13.49 | johngay | Well, everything else just connects? I'm still new to this wireless stuff. |
| 00:15.43 | slaxxin | yay |
| 00:16.04 | slaxxin | jonnygay helped me |
| 00:16.14 | slaxxin | he got the info |
| 00:16.25 | slaxxin | now i have wifi |
| 00:16.47 | johngay | OK. opkg -test upgrade reports several conflicts. I'm guessing it's not safe to upgrade then? |
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| 00:17.13 | slaxxin | i use yesterdays 2008.8 upgraded |
| 00:17.15 | hipitihop | admiral0, epdfviewer installed fine thanks. however it seems additional fonts may be needed as I can see the images but no text |
| 00:18.09 | slaxxin | thanks for all your help mmonture |
| 00:18.16 | slaxxin | all is good |
| 00:18.32 | admiral0 | hipitihop: strange... works for me |
| 00:18.41 | slaxxin | the french are open-source leaders |
| 00:20.32 | Dave | what's slaxxin' yo? |
| 00:21.11 | hipitihop | admiral0, trying another pdf file maybe something specific to that one... I might see if I can run from terminal to see if it is showing any errors |
| 00:21.36 | Dave | Oh, and Slaxxin, we know what the French are... and they sure aren't leaders. :P |
| 00:21.40 | Dave | Hey Rasterman :) |
| 00:21.47 | Wonka | being french is wrong |
| 00:22.11 | Dave | :D |
| 00:22.48 | johngay | Is that the American idea of french or world idea of french? |
| 00:23.16 | Dave | Don't ask Americans :) |
| 00:23.34 | lpotter | dont ask me what |
| 00:23.44 | johngay | I try to avoid them when possible (-= |
| 00:24.12 | lpotter | try to avoid french or americans? |
| 00:24.19 | johngay | both. |
| 00:24.36 | johngay | Kinda hard to avoid myself though (-= |
| 00:24.38 | lpotter | ya, well. there is a reason I moved to australia |
| 00:24.39 | Dave | haha |
| 00:24.44 | slaxxin | http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/08/28/35NF-open-source-france-lessons_1.html |
| 00:24.45 | Dave | Lpotter, haha |
| 00:24.46 | alphabeat | i thought it was for work lorn ;) |
| 00:24.58 | lpotter | oh ya, that too |
| 00:25.00 | Dave | Lpotter, where's those new images, b? |
| 00:25.07 | lpotter | qtopia.net |
| 00:25.10 | admiral0 | oh crap.. tommorrow i've got to go to work.. 'night everyone |
| 00:25.18 | alphabeat | Dave: http://qtopia.net/downloads/neo/qtopia-4.3.2-gta02-flash.tgz |
| 00:25.19 | lpotter | i guess you missed the announcement? |
| 00:25.21 | slaxxin | right there is the whole problem with u guys |
| 00:25.22 | Dave | I hope they were upped in the last hour |
| 00:25.26 | johngay | nite, admiral. |
| 00:25.27 | Dave | they weren't there two hours ago |
| 00:25.35 | hipitihop | gnite admiral0 |
| 00:25.47 | lpotter | ya, did them last night.. about 12 hours ago |
| 00:26.20 | slaxxin | we are told from first grade we are better than those |
| 00:26.30 | Dave | So this isn't a snapshot release? |
| 00:26.43 | lpotter | nope. 4.3.2 final release |
| 00:27.11 | mwester_ | lpotter: images for gta01 as well? |
| 00:27.15 | lpotter | seems dhcp still has problems setting up resolv.conf though |
| 00:27.18 | lpotter | mwester_: yes |
| 00:27.32 | mwester_ | :) Cool. I want a working phone again... |
| 00:27.36 | paroneayea | hey |
| 00:27.45 | paroneayea | so zhone doesn't currently recieve calls, right? |
| 00:27.57 | Dave | Oh, we heard about your blasphemous media player feature, Mr. Potter. |
| 00:28.04 | lpotter | no tmine |
| 00:28.07 | raster | paroneayea: i havenrt gotten it to |
| 00:28.08 | paroneayea | my phone just started blasting some commodore 64 music or something, but I couldn't answer it |
| 00:28.11 | lpotter | not sure if its a bug or a feature |
| 00:28.17 | Dave | And as much as we roffled, we want to stab whoever thought up that design :) |
| 00:28.18 | mwester_ | There don't seem to be *any* current images that work correctly right now, paroneayea (other than perhaps the qtopia stuff) |
| 00:28.19 | paroneayea | raster: are you the primary zhone developer? |
| 00:28.19 | alphabeat | zhone receives for me on FSO |
| 00:28.21 | Dave | Haha |
| 00:28.25 | Dave | Raster :) |
| 00:28.26 | raster | hahaha |
| 00:28.27 | raster | no |
| 00:28.33 | paroneayea | ah ;) |
| 00:28.41 | mwester_ | he might be soon! :D |
| 00:28.43 | Dave | Raster, how are you? |
| 00:28.48 | Dave | Mwester *sssH* :P |
| 00:28.54 | raster | busy.... |
| 00:28.57 | raster | as usual |
| 00:29.00 | raster | gd damn |
| 00:29.02 | raster | more nda's |
| 00:29.06 | lpotter | ha |
| 00:29.14 | Dave | shit |
| 00:29.17 | paroneayea | so who's the current zhone maintainer? |
| 00:29.24 | lpotter | raster.. you arent busy till you have kids :) |
| 00:29.37 | lpotter | try to get stuff done then! |
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| 00:30.06 | Dave | hah! |
| 00:30.16 | Dave | He has... us? |
| 00:30.18 | Dave | :P |
| 00:30.29 | Dave | close enough, right? :P |
| 00:30.34 | johngay | cool! I'm reading www.lwn.net on my FR (-= |
| 00:30.39 | mwester_ | lpotter: I used to wonder how parents found the patience to read bedtime stories to kids, and all that -- now I know it's in the desperate hope that they'll get some time to themselves after they fall asleep. |
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| 00:30.42 | lpotter | but hay.. my just about to turn 3 year old knows how to use a mouse, play computer games, surf the net.. and click and drag |
| 00:31.12 | Dave | better watch out then |
| 00:31.42 | lpotter | yep |
| 00:31.50 | Dave | they might have your job soon :P |
| 00:31.56 | lpotter | 'his' 'puter is the minimac too! |
| 00:31.56 | paroneayea | phone call with my fiance: |
| 00:31.57 | Dave | might make things go faster! |
| 00:32.03 | Dave | heh |
| 00:32.04 | paroneayea | me: you were the one that called me? |
| 00:32.10 | Dave | aww, no Apple ][e for him? |
| 00:32.13 | paroneayea | her: yes, why didn't you answer? |
| 00:32.15 | Dave | ;) |
| 00:32.30 | raster | lpotter: i have these friends though.. always want to catch up for beer |
| 00:32.31 | raster | :) |
| 00:32.31 | lpotter | Dave: naa that was dad's |
| 00:32.35 | raster | almost like kids |
| 00:32.46 | Dave | heh :P |
| 00:32.48 | lpotter | ha |
| 00:32.55 | paroneayea | me: I can't accept phone calls with this version. The other qtopia version I have could apparently accept them, but this one doesn't. But I'm running it so that I can help make it do all those things and more |
| 00:32.55 | Dave | I know how that is... |
| 00:33.00 | paroneayea | her: I don't get you :P |
| 00:33.15 | Dave | paroneyea, she'll never understand. |
| 00:33.17 | Dave | haha! |
| 00:33.18 | Dave | :P |
| 00:33.36 | Dave | Let's put it this way, paroneayea, be glad you're not out on the street ;) |
| 00:33.53 | paroneayea | Dave: I know. She's very, very patient. |
| 00:33.59 | Dave | :D |
| 00:34.12 | Dave | more patient than some of us. |
| 00:34.14 | Dave | ;) |
| 00:34.40 | paroneayea | I was just informed that someone made a debian installer for the 1973, but didn't have anywhere to host it! |
| 00:34.50 | Dave | heh |
| 00:34.51 | paroneayea | hopefully he writes back with it attached.... I'll *GLADLY* host it on my site |
| 00:35.53 | Dave | :) |
| 00:36.56 | Dave | Hopefully I can finish this python app this weekend |
| 00:37.02 | paroneayea | what app is it? |
| 00:37.20 | lpotter | paroneayea: which qtopia doesnt let you accept phone calls? |
| 00:37.52 | paroneayea | lpotter: no no, the qtopia is the one that *did* accept them |
| 00:37.56 | paroneayea | the FSO build I have doesn't |
| 00:38.18 | paroneayea | it did shake and play some c64 music... I think it was commando, or maybe arkanoid |
| 00:38.54 | paroneayea | I think it was c64 music anyway :) |
| 00:39.05 | mjr | arkanoid afaik the default |
| 00:39.09 | mjr | I changed to commando |
| 00:39.19 | mjr | then went back to the gtk images for now |
| 00:39.28 | johngay | before I got my phone, I'd been following the discussions of the various distros with acedemic interest. Now that I've got it, I realise I wasn't half paying enough attention. |
| 00:39.31 | mjr | (commando rocks ;]Â ) |
| 00:39.48 | paroneayea | mjr: boy does it ever... one of the best c64 games *evar* |
| 00:40.14 | mjr | 'course, when I said "commando rocks" I meant that it's music rocks. But the game was pretty snazzy as well ;) |
| 00:40.19 | mjr | its |
| 00:40.25 | paroneayea | tru |
| 00:40.29 | raster | commando-stylin' |
| 00:40.32 | mjr | (stupid english) |
| 00:41.49 | johngay | The new phone comes with 2007.1 right? |
| 00:42.16 | johngay | And raster's image is the best and most useful yea? |
| 00:42.25 | raster | ahaha |
| 00:42.27 | raster | no idea |
| 00:42.33 | raster | but i so need to do an image of my own |
| 00:42.35 | alphabeat | it's all subjective i guess ;) |
| 00:42.39 | raster | that was just a snapshot of asu.dev |
| 00:42.45 | raster | with illume kebd on by default |
| 00:43.22 | raster | but today i have some focus-not-goingbacktoa windowaftermanysubwindowsetchavebeenocused problem |
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| 00:45.45 | lpotter | thinks qtopia is best and most useful |
| 00:46.16 | CVirus | LOL @ raster |
| 00:46.25 | raster | swears at qtopia - damn stupid focus policies of softmenu windows. |
| 00:46.28 | johngay | But if I just do opkg upgrade, I'll still have 2007.2 right? |
| 00:46.44 | alphabeat | thems fightin words |
| 00:46.48 | raster | :) |
| 00:46.48 | alphabeat | johngay: yes |
| 00:46.53 | raster | seriously - not qtopia really |
| 00:46.56 | raster | mroe the x11 port |
| 00:47.00 | lpotter | raster: just remember qtopia was not designed for X11 |
| 00:47.04 | raster | the softmenu says it has a "take focus" policy |
| 00:47.11 | lpotter | ya, nor has it been optimized |
| 00:47.12 | paroneayea | YES |
| 00:47.14 | alphabeat | backs away |
| 00:47.15 | raster | and so e goes "well.. u take focus.. i shall.. focus you!" |
| 00:47.19 | paroneayea | got the 1973 debian script! |
| 00:47.26 | raster | of course.. the softmenu just ignores the takefocus request |
| 00:47.32 | raster | but e has no idea it will ignore |
| 00:47.47 | raster | so it basically is always in the mood for wanting to focus it withint hte focus scheme of the world |
| 00:48.00 | raster | it really should set the "do not accept focus so bugger off" hint |
| 00:48.01 | raster | :) |
| 00:48.11 | johngay | And the only way to get rasters far superior image is copy it to SD and then either boot from SD or flash. |
| 00:49.11 | CVirus | raster: when are you leaving ? |
| 00:49.11 | raster | lpotter: i know i know.. i just like to vent. as its that damn softmenu causing me problems today |
| 00:49.12 | raster | :) |
| 00:49.12 | raster | CVirus: today i guess.. as my last day is 31st |
| 00:49.12 | raster | and its a weekend |
| 00:49.12 | raster | :) |
| 00:49.12 | lpotter | then add that hint to seofmenu around x11 define :) |
| 00:49.17 | CVirus | raster: are you done with all the related work ? |
| 00:49.19 | lpotter | softmenu that is |
| 00:49.37 | raster | lpotter: should... it'd make my life so muc easier than working around it and guessing that it may not want focus anyway |
| 00:49.43 | lpotter | then he going to work for trolltech :) |
| 00:49.58 | raster | lpotter: but thats only got 1 employee! |
| 00:49.59 | raster | :) |
| 00:50.12 | lpotter | yep he he quitting on the 31st also |
| 00:50.13 | raster | CVirus: well i have got 1 ticket to try whack off today |
| 00:50.24 | raster | i'm just working on "most urgent and fixable" bugs |
| 00:50.28 | CVirus | raster: are you at the office in .tw ? |
| 00:50.33 | raster | lpotter: i can replace him! :) |
| 00:50.34 | raster | hehehe |
| 00:50.41 | raster | CVirus: no no. in my home office in sydney |
| 00:50.42 | raster | :) |
| 00:50.45 | CVirus | ah |
| 00:51.06 | raster | i need to find a place to print this feckin nda |
| 00:51.08 | Dave | :) |
| 00:51.10 | raster | and some dhl pickup spot |
| 00:51.16 | raster | and hdl package things |
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| 00:51.18 | raster | dhl |
| 00:51.27 | raster | maybe i should call them/ |
| 00:51.28 | alphabeat | dohl! |
| 00:51.44 | raster | Om, get their office entry badge and sim card back |
| 00:51.55 | raster | iguess that means no spare sim card for testing... |
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| 00:52.01 | raster | so from now on.. testign simcardless |
| 00:52.03 | raster | :) |
| 00:53.06 | lpotter | raster: youcold work for openedhand/intel! :) |
| 00:53.12 | lpotter | could, that is |
| 00:53.20 | raster | could |
| 00:53.22 | raster | but likely wont |
| 00:53.34 | lpotter | ya dont blame you, they use gtk |
| 00:53.34 | raster | i already have enough interestign leads |
| 00:53.52 | raster | lpotter: seriously - until arthur in 1t4 - qt wasnt any better |
| 00:53.56 | raster | it was shoddy-as |
| 00:53.58 | raster | (imho) |
| 00:54.05 | raster | but arthur really upped the ante |
| 00:54.12 | raster | and that has improved qt very much |
| 00:54.14 | lpotter | just wait for qt 4.5 |
| 00:54.34 | raster | doesnt mean i like c++ and am going to jump onit |
| 00:54.40 | raster | but kudos where kudos is due |
| 00:54.40 | raster | :) |
| 00:54.44 | lpotter | we got tricks up our sleeves |
| 00:54.57 | lpotter | c++ is just c with class :) |
| 00:55.08 | raster | pfffft! |
| 00:55.12 | CVirus | haha |
| 00:55.19 | raster | it's C with an ugly spikey tail! |
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| 00:55.42 | CVirus | will write his own web browser in C++ |
| 00:56.21 | raster | i was put onto a new chip recently... |
| 00:56.25 | raster | and man it's.. interesting |
| 00:56.35 | raster | it could radically change the whole graphics acceleration game |
| 00:56.46 | raster | if it does what it seems to/claims to |
| 00:57.11 | CVirus | raster: I wonder why are they giving you new duties while you're leaving already ! |
| 00:57.16 | lpotter | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.29 | alphabeat | or so you claim lpotter |
| 00:57.33 | raster | CVirus: no - this is outside om |
| 00:57.37 | CVirus | ah |
| 00:57.58 | raster | lpotter: indeed.. but - the take is a new one i havent seen before whihc is why it makes sense |
| 00:58.06 | raster | *IF* they can pull it off in actual silicon |
| 00:58.11 | raster | will find out really soon though |
| 00:58.26 | raster | they have a habit of pulling things off and pissing the big boys off as a result |
| 00:58.31 | raster | it seems from my checking |
| 00:59.02 | raster | but imagine that its not a gfx chip - just a general co-processor that looks just like ram |
| 00:59.11 | CVirus | raster: where else do you work .. may I ask ? |
| 00:59.14 | raster | so it doesnt replace your gfx chip |
| 00:59.17 | raster | it completments it |
| 00:59.19 | SpeedEvil | FPGA! |
| 00:59.22 | raster | CVirus: nowhere :) |
| 00:59.28 | raster | SpeedEvil: ooh much better than an fpga |
| 00:59.31 | raster | much much much |
| 00:59.42 | raster | but you might be going down the right side of the mountain there |
| 00:59.48 | SpeedEvil | In that it's faster per unit chip area? |
| 00:59.51 | raster | actually |
| 00:59.55 | raster | i can talk about some of it |
| 00:59.57 | raster | patents are public |
| 01:00.07 | raster | SpeedEvil: its a dram chip --- WITH processors on it |
| 01:00.15 | raster | not a cpu with sram on it |
| 01:00.16 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 01:00.22 | SpeedEvil | That old chestnut. |
| 01:00.23 | raster | so its a simple ram chip construction |
| 01:00.31 | raster | not high-complexity cpu sonstruction |
| 01:00.33 | raster | thus cheap |
| 01:00.38 | raster | low power |
| 01:00.43 | raster | like 8mw per core |
| 01:00.48 | raster | or less |
| 01:00.57 | raster | first production run has 4 cores, 32bits |
| 01:01.07 | SpeedEvil | Limited interconnection limits it to only a subset of problems then. |
| 01:01.09 | raster | they are directly in silicon wired up to 64mb of dram |
| 01:01.29 | raster | it has no interconnect |
| 01:01.37 | raster | u solder it on like any other dram chip |
| 01:01.45 | raster | so u still have a host cpu |
| 01:01.48 | raster | liek your soc |
| 01:01.56 | raster | but u slap on this isnead of a regular dram |
| 01:02.02 | SpeedEvil | in-chip interconnects |
| 01:02.05 | raster | or in addition to your rams |
| 01:02.22 | raster | apparently they have overcome in-chip limits |
| 01:02.34 | raster | internal bus is like 400mhz, cores @ 500mhz, |
| 01:02.40 | SpeedEvil | If it reduces to hardware - great. |
| 01:02.46 | raster | VERY simple instructionset |
| 01:02.51 | raster | like much less than your average arm |
| 01:03.12 | raster | thats how they manage to get it work with with a few thousand transistors only |
| 01:03.20 | raster | thus the low power |
| 01:03.26 | SpeedEvil | I'm blanking on who was trying this in the 80s. |
| 01:03.43 | raster | so the high clockrate is a bit of a misleading thing as u'll spend more cycles doing the same work due to simpler instructions |
| 01:03.53 | raster | the problem is actual fabrication |
| 01:04.00 | hipitihop | running the latest 2008.8 updated, is there a way to force rereading contacts from the sim ? I had another sim in which it read automatically but now only shows contacts from previous sim |
| 01:04.05 | raster | the dram fabricators are not used to making processors |
| 01:04.08 | SpeedEvil | RISC - offset somewhat by fast RAM. |
| 01:04.21 | raster | SpeedEvil: most thgns do this to an extent |
| 01:04.26 | raster | l1 cache on your cpu for example |
| 01:04.35 | raster | its just the same thnig - inverted |
| 01:04.44 | SpeedEvil | raster: I know. |
| 01:04.55 | raster | not a big cpe with ram thrown in for cache (and thus cache being manufactured in a very expensive process) |
| 01:05.05 | raster | but a cpu manufactured with a cheap process. |
| 01:05.09 | raster | its interesting anyway |
| 01:05.14 | raster | *IF* it can be puleld off |
| 01:05.21 | raster | and apparently first silicon is due soon |
| 01:05.23 | SpeedEvil | Yep. |
| 01:05.27 | raster | as with all things |
| 01:05.31 | raster | sit and waity |
| 01:05.33 | raster | see |
| 01:05.35 | SpeedEvil | Pulled off at decent yields and power use. |
| 01:05.40 | raster | if it does what they say - or even close |
| 01:05.44 | raster | it'd be a damn interesting thing |
| 01:05.45 | raster | why? |
| 01:05.51 | raster | they are going to be OPEN |
| 01:05.59 | raster | ffully open documented instructions, open source sdk |
| 01:06.10 | raster | (built on existing open compilers) |
| 01:06.11 | raster | etc. |
| 01:06.21 | raster | and THAT.. makes it more intetesting that anyone else |
| 01:06.22 | SpeedEvil | I mean - if it can be pulled off at decent yields - manufacturing. |
| 01:06.30 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 01:06.37 | raster | *IF* the yields and cost are what they say it will be |
| 01:06.45 | raster | SpeedEvil: who else has such a thing? |
| 01:06.53 | raster | other than your dsp's from TI? |
| 01:07.05 | SpeedEvil | If the instruction set is not rich enough that it's interestingly fast, then... |
| 01:07.10 | raster | (in many ways it is a bit of a dsp.. just with lots of ram) |
| 01:07.20 | raster | SpeedEvil: of course. |
| 01:07.20 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - I mean that just being open isn't of itself good enough. |
| 01:07.26 | raster | that is an issue to overcome |
| 01:07.53 | SpeedEvil | And that nobody submarine patents them. |
| 01:07.56 | raster | but even so - 4 cores at 500mhz with 8mw per core.. is not to be sniffed at |
| 01:08.05 | raster | even if you need 3x the cycles to get the same stuff one as on your arm |
| 01:08.29 | raster | the technology is patented |
| 01:08.36 | SpeedEvil | I have problems with 8mw per core and RAM use. |
| 01:08.37 | raster | but they want open development |
| 01:08.52 | SpeedEvil | Even internal, it seems a bit light. |
| 01:09.03 | raster | very light |
| 01:09.06 | raster | i am skeptical |
| 01:09.18 | raster | thus want to see real silicon doing anywhere within ballpark |
| 01:09.30 | SpeedEvil | Done right, at DRAM densities, that would also possibly be good in microcontroller space. |
| 01:09.31 | raster | it all depends if it canbe pulled off in silicon |
| 01:10.04 | SpeedEvil | wants 4M or so linux system in a QFN36. |
| 01:11.00 | raster | ? |
| 01:11.04 | raster | oh |
| 01:11.11 | raster | this is much too fat for microcontroller |
| 01:11.14 | raster | its 64m of ram |
| 01:11.18 | raster | i think 3v |
| 01:11.24 | raster | they say they can go to 1.8v |
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| 01:12.02 | SpeedEvil | Sure - but is there a fundamental reason you can't slice off 4M. |
| 01:12.02 | Dave | sheesh :p |
| 01:12.13 | raster | anyway - once i get this nda out i will get the simulator and full spec sheets. |
| 01:12.23 | raster | i'll see from there - if they can get me real silicon soon... |
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| 01:12.38 | raster | SpeedEvil: sure. just use a subset |
| 01:12.42 | SpeedEvil | I'm thinking of sort-of a STM32 - which is $5 and 32 bit/20K/256K flash. but overkill. |
| 01:12.43 | raster | tho 64m is their low end |
| 01:12.53 | white_gecko | does anyone of you get a gps fix with 2008? |
| 01:12.53 | raster | i thnik they intend to be able to go up to 1gb and 64 cores |
| 01:13.07 | Dave | Is that really enough though? :p |
| 01:13.07 | white_gecko | for me gps worked in 2007 but not in 2008 |
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| 01:14.05 | Dave | cool |
| 01:14.19 | SpeedEvil | raster: blow away much of the multi-chip embedded market that's on AVR32 and MIPS ATM. |
| 01:14.35 | raster | psosibly |
| 01:14.42 | raster | tho again - it relies on a host sopc |
| 01:14.45 | raster | not intended to replace |
| 01:14.46 | raster | more complement |
| 01:14.50 | raster | a bit more like the cell |
| 01:14.58 | raster | u keep your ppc core |
| 01:15.03 | raster | but then get an extra co-proc |
| 01:15.11 | raster | to do lots of heavy-lifting |
| 01:15.18 | KenYoung | white_gecko, I get a GPS fix with 2008.8 . |
| 01:15.24 | raster | but it means u can opt for a very simple low-power soc |
| 01:15.40 | raster | just enough to do the boot and handle scheduling on the co-proc |
| 01:16.04 | white_gecko | KenYoung: did you install spacial things like gpsd? |
| 01:16.08 | KenYoung | white_gecko, Are you sure your GPS unit is on when you are trying to get a fix? |
| 01:16.25 | white_gecko | in setting it is set to on |
| 01:16.29 | Ark1 | how well does the finger keyboard app for 08.8 work? |
| 01:16.37 | white_gecko | and location also asks me if i want to switch it on |
| 01:17.25 | KenYoung | white_gecko, Yes, I installed gpsd. |
| 01:17.34 | SpeedEvil | raster: sounds like fun anyway. Who - if you can say? |
| 01:18.06 | white_gecko | KenYoung: only "opkg install gpsd" or also other packages? |
| 01:18.38 | KenYoung | white_gecko, Only that package. |
| 01:19.02 | white_gecko | ok and then you got the fix with the "Location" programm? |
| 01:19.43 | KenYoung | white_gecko, I used tangogps. |
| 01:20.02 | KenYoung | white_gecko, So yes, I forgot to mention I installed that too. |
| 01:20.06 | white_gecko | ok |
| 01:20.11 | white_gecko | :-) |
| 01:20.43 | white_gecko | but do you also get a fix with the "Locations" programm? |
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| 01:21.02 | KenYoung | white_gecko, I haven't tried that program. |
| 01:21.07 | white_gecko | hm |
| 01:25.04 | hipitihop | I have brought up my eth0 wireless and have got an ip via dhcp 192.168.0.47 however I get "no route to host" from my desktop @ 192.168.0.4 any ideas ? |
| 01:25.48 | white_gecko | no route to woch host? |
| 01:25.55 | white_gecko | from the moko? |
| 01:26.03 | hipitihop | to the FR @ 192.168.0.47 |
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| 01:26.22 | white_gecko | 2008? |
| 01:26.39 | hipitihop | white_gecko, indeed -updated |
| 01:27.32 | hipitihop | usb0 is still up but that should only cause confusion from the fr out due to gateway afaik |
| 01:28.08 | raster | SpeedEvil: http://www.venraytechnology.com/ |
| 01:28.13 | raster | the TOMI stuff |
| 01:28.54 | white_gecko | hipithop: i just wanted internet on the fr and my eth0 and my usb0 where up |
| 01:29.06 | white_gecko | so there was no internet |
| 01:29.12 | white_gecko | i don't know why |
| 01:29.30 | white_gecko | but as soon as a switched off the wifi the usb0 worked |
| 01:29.58 | hipitihop | same for internet if you turn off usb0 |
| 01:30.04 | hipitihop | brb |
| 01:30.04 | SpeedEvil | raster:thanks |
| 01:30.29 | pabs3 | they really shouldn't have used 192.168.xx for the usb networking |
| 01:31.02 | johngay | Well, I've installed the web, gps and media player. |
| 01:31.27 | johngay | I've also changed teh keyboard to matchbox so I can type paths (-= |
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| 01:32.50 | Dave | Pabs! :) |
| 01:32.57 | Dave | And yeah, they shouldn't have :p |
| 01:33.13 | Dave | waves to KenYoung |
| 01:33.39 | white_gecko | KenYoung: ah i had to edit the /etc/default/gpsd |
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| 01:35.06 | johngay | I'm guessing I need to format the SDcard that came with my phone and put a filesystem on it? |
| 01:35.11 | slaxxin | ram with brains |
| 01:35.50 | johngay | ATM, dmesg only shows Attached scsi removable disk sdc at scsi4, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
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| 01:40.02 | Dave | :] |
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| 01:41.26 | Dave | :o |
| 01:41.48 | johngay | I'm tryin' to get gps working now. |
| 01:41.57 | Dave | So go, make it work. |
| 01:42.00 | white_gecko | me2 |
| 01:42.01 | Dave | It's not that difficult ;) |
| 01:42.05 | white_gecko | 2 |
| 01:43.26 | johngay | Except Ive got the SDcard in )-= I was thinking I was OK because I didn't have a SIM yet, but it's the SD card screwing it up nevermind. |
| 01:43.47 | white_gecko | hm i have also my sd inside |
| 01:44.03 | white_gecko | but i hava capacity in the sd slot |
| 01:44.13 | johngay | But mine's brand new with the original kernel. |
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| 01:47.15 | Infinyte | How can I install fso-utils on my computer? |
| 01:48.44 | Infinyte | Err, nevermind. |
| 01:48.44 | Infinyte | >_> |
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| 01:50.33 | slaxxin | http://scap.linuxtogo.org |
| 01:51.11 | slaxxin | i guess i need to set the clock |
| 01:52.20 | johngay | OK. I've removed my SD Card, started /etc/init.d/gpsd and I'm running AGPS test, but I'm not getting a fix? |
| 01:52.35 | cjb | johngay: go outside. wait 3 mins. |
| 01:53.05 | johngay | nevermind, just got 41 good fixed and climbing. |
| 01:53.19 | Dave | Infinity =) |
| 01:53.25 | Dave | hey cjb :) |
| 01:54.26 | johngay | Now lets see what tangoGPS looks like (; |
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| 01:55.22 | slaxxin | fso is prettier although 2008.8 updated is working great except for the suspend/locked nosound deal |
| 01:55.50 | hipitihop | if ifconfig -a shows usb0 through which I am actually ssh'ed in with, why when I try 'ifdown usb0' it claims it is not configured ? |
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| 01:57.02 | hipitihop | is clearly still a linux networking noob, knows enough to get in trouble |
| 01:57.14 | slaxxin | mee too |
| 01:57.21 | Infinyte | What's a quick console command that can be used to connect to wifi on Debian? Since iwconfig isn't there. :< |
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| 01:57.48 | slaxxin | there are going to be herds of noobs soon:() |
| 01:59.21 | Infinyte | Oh wait, figured that much out. However what do I put here: wpa-psk "MyWirelessPassword" If my router doesn't have a password set? |
| 02:03.29 | johngay | Yea! tangoGPS found me (-= |
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| 02:07.09 | hipitihop | how can I be ssh'ed into my neo @ 192.168.0.202 using usb0 but when I do "ifdown usb0" it claims usb0 is not configured |
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| 02:10.24 | alphabeat | maybe try ifconfig usb0 down. will only bring it down though not run down scripts if there's any |
| 02:10.44 | alphabeat | Infinyte: you don't have a password for your wifi? |
| 02:12.05 | hipitihop | alphabeat, indeed that worked, so is that the preferred way of bring interfaces up and down ? iow "ifconfig up eth0" |
| 02:12.51 | alphabeat | i think ifup/ifdown runs some scripts whereas ifconfig * up/down is just like hitting a switch. don't quote me on that though ;) |
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| 02:13.56 | alphabeat | when i "ifup eth0" for wireless it'll run all the stuff in /etc/network/interfaces for wifi (like setting up gateway) but "ifconfig eth0 up" will only activate it superficially |
| 02:14.49 | hipitihop | alphabeat, undderstand so normally for brining things up that is what you want. |
| 02:14.56 | alphabeat | yep |
| 02:15.56 | Infinyte | Ah, no I don't. |
| 02:16.00 | hipitihop | another general question, everytime I ssh in either because of change of flshed image or usb vs wifi, my ssh session complains about strict checking and I have to go clear my known hosts, is there an easier way ? |
| 02:16.48 | hipitihop | thinks he's getting ot for the channel |
| 02:17.36 | Infinyte | Ah, that doesn't work anyways evidently, not without some other stuff installed. Which I can't do without apt-get. >_> So anyone know how to connect to Wifi on Debian on a fresh install? |
| 02:17.37 | paroneayea | hipitihop: that's not offtopic |
| 02:17.43 | paroneayea | hipitihop: you should hear me |
| 02:17.45 | paroneayea | anyway |
| 02:18.05 | paroneayea | hipitihop: the reason is that every time you reflash your device, your phone creates a new ssh key so that it can "identify" itself |
| 02:18.28 | paroneayea | that way when it exchanges keys with you to set up the secure connection, your computer can verify, "oh, I know what machine this is" |
| 02:18.41 | paroneayea | ie, it's there to prevent man in the middle attacks |
| 02:19.07 | hipitihop | paroneayea, makes sense, however can I get my host end to be more lenient or is that a bad idea |
| 02:19.08 | paroneayea | hipitihop: potentially, you could prevent this by re-using the old ssh key, but you're probably best just clearing the line from your known hosts |
| 02:19.21 | paroneayea | hm, there's probably an option... I don't know how though |
| 02:20.01 | paroneayea | as for being offtopic... I've only been here for two days and I've already proven myself to be much worse than you :D |
| 02:20.05 | paroneayea | right Dave? |
| 02:20.10 | hipitihop | paroneayea, I also normally clear all lines in my known hosts using gedit but maybe I can just rm it and it will be recreated |
| 02:21.30 | paroneayea | hipitihop: you could do that, and it would be recreated, however if you ssh into a lot of places other than just your phone, it's best that you just kill the specific line.. having those lines there helps you make sure you know what other servers you're connecting to |
| 02:21.35 | alphabeat | hipitihop an easier way is to use 'vi' if you're up for it ;) |
| 02:21.35 | alphabeat | vi ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 02:21.35 | alphabeat | ESC :<lineno> |
| 02:21.35 | alphabeat | dd |
| 02:21.35 | alphabeat | ESC :wq |
| 02:21.55 | paroneayea | alphabeat: satan's editor! ;) |
| 02:21.56 | alphabeat | that makes it only delete the offending line. |
| 02:21.59 | johngay | Strange, restarting X doesn't? I keep getting loads of error messages and have to power off and on again )-: |
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| 02:22.09 | alphabeat | ;) |
| 02:23.32 | johngay | Well, it's way past my bedtime, and I've got to show this off at work in the morning. |
| 02:23.45 | hipitihop | alphabeat, yes vi is pretty evil but gets things done when really needed. The prtoblem with my known hosts is I can't tell which line relates |
| 02:24.11 | hipitihop | johncylee, sounds like you've made pretty good progress |
| 02:24.17 | alphabeat | well ssh should tell you hipitihop. then its a matter of going to that line (:4 for instance) and typing 'dd' which deletes that line |
| 02:25.31 | johngay | It's been fun. Can't wait till I can plug this into the serial port on an IBM server, login with minicom and run diags. Then ask the sys/admin "Can you do that with your crackberry?" |
| 02:25.48 | hipitihop | alphabeat, indeed |
| 02:26.09 | hipitihop | acknowledges he once again is tought something new |
| 02:26.15 | Dave | :) |
| 02:26.44 | Infinyte | What kind of security does wpa-psk call for? WEP? |
| 02:26.46 | SpeedEvil | USB webcam + 'motion' + USB rocket launcher. |
| 02:26.50 | SpeedEvil | The clear killer-app. |
| 02:27.19 | alphabeat | Infinyte: can you clarify? |
| 02:28.05 | alphabeat | SpeedEvil: something like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxBa5bQfTGc |
| 02:28.15 | hipitihop | waves bye and goes to get some work done |
| 02:29.36 | Infinyte | Well, per the instructions on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#WLAN you can set up an automatic connection for Wifi by installing some stuff and then adding some information to the /etc/network/interface script. But I don't know what to put for having no password in: wpa-psk "MyWirelessPassword" So I'm attempting to make my SSID have a password in my router, but there are a variety of different security methods. The main one being |
| 02:30.14 | alphabeat | well i use WPA (not WPA2) with TKIP and PSK |
| 02:31.29 | alphabeat | i believe its' the most common |
| 02:32.03 | Infinyte | Hmm, mine doesn't have TKIP and PSK, it has TKIP and AES. But I'm assuming that'd work too? |
| 02:32.44 | alphabeat | that'd be wpa2 by the looks of it |
| 02:33.14 | Infinyte | Well it has a listing for WPA2 also, but that has the same options. |
| 02:33.33 | dbmoodb | alphabeat: aes works for me. (wpa2). im' on debian. works better i think than the stock stuff. |
| 02:34.11 | Infinyte | Alright, so the "Shared Key" would be what I need to put in the wpa-psk are right? |
| 02:34.26 | alphabeat | righto. i'd use it but my home AP doesn't support. just a different algorithm i guess |
| 02:34.38 | alphabeat | Infinyte: yes. give it a go |
| 02:34.47 | Infinyte | Alrighty then. |
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| 02:38.11 | Infinyte | Bingo |
| 02:38.11 | Infinyte | :D |
| 02:38.14 | alphabeat | woot! |
| 02:38.15 | Infinyte | I <3 you guis. |
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| 02:38.45 | alphabeat | now if you want to use your wireless as a gateway instead of your host computer run 'route del default gw 192.168.0.200' |
| 02:38.53 | alphabeat | and check with 'route -n' |
| 02:39.15 | Infinyte | Wasn't usin' the host computer anyways methinks. Considering I couldn't apt-get or anything |
| 02:39.41 | alphabeat | double check. maybe you hadn't set up the host as a gateway for your neo to use |
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| 02:40.29 | Infinyte | Err wait. |
| 02:40.34 | Infinyte | What do you mean by a Gateway? |
| 02:40.52 | alphabeat | your router for instance is a gateway. |
| 02:40.55 | Infinyte | Rather, a gateway to what? |
| 02:41.11 | alphabeat | the Internets! think of it as a node along a path |
| 02:41.15 | Infinyte | Ah |
| 02:41.21 | Infinyte | Kay you were right then, must have done it on it's own |
| 02:41.45 | alphabeat | yeah it's set up as default. so when you bring your wireless up you'll have 2 default gateways, which confuses it |
| 02:41.56 | Infinyte | Ahh, that explains some earlier confusion. |
| 02:41.57 | Infinyte | >_> |
| 02:42.09 | Infinyte | Hey, is apt-get upgrade safe on Debian at the moment? |
| 02:42.20 | alphabeat | works for me :) |
| 02:42.22 | Infinyte | kk |
| 02:42.36 | Infinyte | Oh |
| 02:42.40 | Infinyte | <_< It's fully upgraded. |
| 02:42.40 | Infinyte | xD |
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| 02:43.28 | alphabeat | next step it to try out xfce if you're so inclined |
| 02:43.38 | dbmoodb | alphabeat: only xfce why not gnome ? |
| 02:43.42 | dbmoodb | (kidding) |
| 02:43.47 | alphabeat | heh |
| 02:43.52 | alphabeat | why not kde4.1? |
| 02:44.31 | alphabeat | actually i'm not sure what the footprint of 4.1 i like. i remember reading an analysis on gnome vs xfce vs kde 3 and seeing some interesting results |
| 02:44.38 | dbmoodb | cuz its not in debian lenny. and its larger than kde 3.5 |
| 02:44.51 | alphabeat | oh true. was kidding also anyway ;) |
| 02:44.52 | dbmoodb | kde is smaller than gnome normally. |
| 02:45.02 | alphabeat | yeah that's what it said |
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| 02:47.00 | Infinyte | Yeah I think I'll do that. xfce is awesomez and stuff. According to top I'm already using a lot of my RAM though. :< |
| 02:49.41 | Infinyte | Oh also, I had installed about 400 megs of swap space via gparted on Ubuntu to my SD card before putting it in the Neo to install debian. But it doesn't say any is available in top. o_O |
| 02:50.36 | alphabeat | Infinyte: using up your ram in linux isn't bad though. different to windows if that's your norm |
| 02:50.57 | alphabeat | linux believes that unused ram is wasted ram |
| 02:51.04 | Infinyte | Ah that's right. |
| 02:51.24 | Infinyte | Well even so, where's mah swap? :o |
| 02:51.25 | alphabeat | what does 'free -m' say? |
| 02:51.32 | Infinyte | Lemme check |
| 02:51.37 | dbmoodb | well... it uses all the ram and we don't really want to use swap. / use a swap file. |
| 02:51.53 | alphabeat | yep. raster said swap is not worth it on sd card |
| 02:52.07 | alphabeat | too messy |
| 02:52.10 | Infinyte | swap: 0 0 and 0 |
| 02:52.40 | alphabeat | that's ok. i think that's default. that's why i've got anyway. |
| 02:52.43 | alphabeat | *that's what |
| 02:53.12 | Infinyte | Does the Debian install possibly over-write whatever you had partitioned? |
| 02:53.23 | alphabeat | the installer script does yes |
| 02:53.30 | Infinyte | Oh. >_> |
| 02:53.37 | alphabeat | heh. anything important on it? |
| 02:53.52 | raster | swap.. is.. evil! |
| 02:53.54 | Infinyte | Nope, but I was hoping the swap space would say. |
| 02:53.55 | raster | (on a phone) |
| 02:53.55 | raster | :) |
| 02:53.55 | Infinyte | *stay |
| 02:53.57 | alphabeat | see i told you |
| 02:54.09 | alphabeat | ;) |
| 02:56.19 | dbmoodb | mmm any glamo improvements yet / news on that ? |
| 02:56.33 | rooly | i hear glamo is pretty much dead |
| 02:56.44 | dbmoodb | no..... but we need that rofl. |
| 02:58.28 | alphabeat | waits for the day when compiz runs |
| 02:58.55 | CVirus | fsck the glamo |
| 02:59.23 | alphabeat | fsck the police. fsck fsck fsck the police |
| 02:59.55 | UndrWater | rooly: what does "dead" mean? |
| 03:00.02 | UndrWater | rooly: and who was the coroner? |
| 03:00.13 | alphabeat | glamo's not dead. it's merely ah....resting! |
| 03:00.43 | UndrWater | CVirus: if you manage to do that...please DON'T take pictures! |
| 03:01.43 | CVirus | hehe |
| 03:01.51 | raster | remember swap to sd woudl be to |
| 03:02.00 | raster | 1. a slow IO channel 2mb/sec |
| 03:02.13 | ShellEvil | raster: what's the fastest that SD will go on FR? |
| 03:02.18 | Infinyte | Ah, I guess it didn't work. Probably need to install wirelesstools or whatever and such. route del default gw 192.168.0.200 actually broke my connection. >_> How do I put it back? XD |
| 03:02.19 | ShellEvil | (I get 3M/s on GTA01) |
| 03:02.38 | raster | 2. via the glamo whihc is known to have suspend/resume problems (corruption etc). (u really want your memory to get screwwed if it goes in/out of swap?) |
| 03:02.49 | raster | also glamo has other lockup/race conditions |
| 03:03.14 | raster | i wouldnt dream of swap on a phone - letalone over an incredibly slow io channel.. even letalone over a less-than-reliable IO channel |
| 03:03.16 | raster | :) |
| 03:03.29 | raster | ShellEvil: the fastest i've seen is about 2.something mb/sec |
| 03:03.33 | raster | 2;3 or 2.4 |
| 03:03.34 | ShellEvil | raster: works fine on GTA01. (though it's silly) |
| 03:03.35 | ShellEvil | K |
| 03:03.41 | alphabeat | Infinyte: route add default gw 192.168.0.200 |
| 03:03.41 | UndrWater | on tangogps...how does one know that the map download is complete? |
| 03:03.48 | Infinyte | Ah, makes sense. XD |
| 03:03.58 | raster | in fact same speed as nand flash |
| 03:04.02 | raster | give or take |
| 03:05.13 | UndrWater | swap worked really well for my zaurus...but it was cf hd |
| 03:05.18 | alphabeat | Infinyte: what happened? |
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| 03:05.51 | UndrWater | oh...looks like there's a countdown |
| 03:05.51 | Infinyte | I'll be able to tell you in a few minutes. |
| 03:05.58 | alphabeat | ok |
| 03:06.05 | dbmoodb | raster: that's no excuse for not imporoving it. like.. if you guys signed a nda get it to atleast do some video rendering / speed up what we can do with it during intensive graphics use only then shut it off. |
| 03:06.16 | Infinyte | Hey, an idea though. Any way to make the Neo's actual hard disk into a swap file that debian could use? :O |
| 03:06.34 | rooly | wonders why anyone would want to do that |
| 03:06.35 | SpeedEvil | 'actual hard disk' ? |
| 03:06.47 | alphabeat | nand i guess |
| 03:06.51 | dbmoodb | .. personaly i don't care if you have to restart x to play a video at full speed. |
| 03:07.00 | Infinyte | Well whatever it's called. That 256 megs of space that's internal. |
| 03:07.10 | SpeedEvil | Infinyte: you really don't want to do that. |
| 03:07.16 | dbmoodb | atm its not able to really do that much. |
| 03:07.17 | Infinyte | Haha, kay. >_> |
| 03:07.21 | SpeedEvil | Infinyte: it's got a finite life. |
| 03:07.36 | alphabeat | these are the swap locations you're looking for |
| 03:07.36 | alphabeat | /me waves hand |
| 03:07.36 | SpeedEvil | Infinyte: and more importantly, can't be replaced. |
| 03:07.40 | alphabeat | *aren't |
| 03:07.44 | raster | dbmoodb: eh? |
| 03:07.46 | Infinyte | xD |
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| 03:07.53 | dbmoodb | glamo. |
| 03:08.06 | Infinyte | So, can we get illume on Debian yet? |
| 03:08.33 | UndrWater | does glamo have some kind of potential that we're not reaching? |
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| 03:08.40 | raster | dbmoodb: what are u talking about? i was talking about dsio for sd card that goes via glamo? nothing to do with rendering? |
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| 03:11.41 | dbmoodb | iah ? |
| 03:11.57 | dbmoodb | i thought the glamo wasn't done properly even with the sdcard slowing it down.... am i wrong ? |
| 03:12.30 | Infinyte | Any news on the specs for the Neo 3? ;D |
| 03:13.18 | CVirus | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03_revisions |
| 03:13.32 | Infinyte | Ahh |
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| 03:16.32 | paroneayea | isn't there some "special" command for shutting down OM? |
| 03:16.49 | paroneayea | shutdown -h now doesn't seem to be it |
| 03:17.12 | alphabeat | paroneayea: really? what does it say? |
| 03:17.30 | paroneayea | last time it kind of just hung there |
| 03:17.33 | paroneayea | but that was a flaky image |
| 03:17.37 | paroneayea | I'll try again from here |
| 03:18.10 | paroneayea | oh |
| 03:18.16 | paroneayea | once again I didn't know what I was talking about |
| 03:18.17 | paroneayea | surprise! |
| 03:18.29 | alphabeat | success! |
| 03:19.16 | UndrWater | yay |
| 03:20.35 | Infinyte | Blah, they're putting a camera. :\ |
| 03:21.26 | alphabeat | bad? |
| 03:21.35 | Infinyte | Just seems like a waste to me |
| 03:21.55 | Infinyte | Considering it'll be to low of quality to be of any real use (Like the majority of phones nowadays) |
| 03:22.33 | alphabeat | maybe it's about the possibilities of applications you can make and tie the camera in with gps etc |
| 03:22.56 | Infinyte | Hmm, I admit that's a pretty interesting idea. |
| 03:23.25 | UndrWater | but with host, you can do that with external camera anyway....clip-on maybe? |
| 03:23.25 | alphabeat | i want to turn one into a UAV ;) |
| 03:23.38 | alphabeat | UndrWater: less mess/power etc |
| 03:23.46 | UndrWater | ahh |
| 03:24.19 | UndrWater | mess i don't mind...power...of course i mind ;) |
| 03:24.57 | UndrWater | maybe camera "module" |
| 03:25.12 | Infinyte | When we gonna get 3G? |
| 03:25.15 | Infinyte | GTA4? :p |
| 03:25.42 | alphabeat | i think it's one of those frequently asked questions which you can't ask Infinyte ;) |
| 03:25.48 | Infinyte | <,< |
| 03:26.01 | Infinyte | Meh, I'm to newb to get GMRS working anways |
| 03:26.07 | dbmoodb | gprs ? |
| 03:26.13 | Infinyte | Yes that |
| 03:26.16 | UndrWater | yikes...let's get non-3g working consistently ;) |
| 03:26.27 | alphabeat | i almost got mine working! |
| 03:26.29 | Infinyte | See, can't even spit the right acronym out. :P |
| 03:27.51 | dbmoodb | pft lets just give up on it being a phone rofl. |
| 03:28.15 | dbmoodb | what's wrong with gprs atm ? works fine for me (haven't used it for long periods) |
| 03:28.17 | lpotter | it works as a phone if you have the right software on it |
| 03:28.26 | Infinyte | I'm sure nothing's wrong with it. |
| 03:28.32 | Infinyte | I just don't know how to make it work. |
| 03:28.32 | Infinyte | ;P |
| 03:28.49 | dbmoodb | well.. got the settings for it... |
| 03:28.55 | Infinyte | Did that |
| 03:29.00 | dbmoodb | .. get an ip ? |
| 03:29.04 | Infinyte | Yeah |
| 03:29.21 | alphabeat | what Os dbmoodb? Infinyte? |
| 03:29.21 | dbmoodb | so your apn is probably wrong then. i opened wireshark and had good look. |
| 03:29.27 | dbmoodb | debian. |
| 03:29.34 | Infinyte | Debian |
| 03:29.46 | alphabeat | ah right. wireshark runs alright on the phone? |
| 03:29.53 | dbmoodb | why wouldn't it ? |
| 03:29.54 | Infinyte | What's wireshark? |
| 03:30.15 | alphabeat | *shrugs* |
| 03:30.20 | UndrWater | new name for grrr...can't remember old name ;) |
| 03:30.25 | UndrWater | network analysis |
| 03:30.26 | Infinyte | I mean |
| 03:30.29 | paroneayea | ethereal was the old name |
| 03:30.30 | Infinyte | What's it d- Ah. >_> |
| 03:30.42 | dbmoodb | alphabeat: i want / should build some rt73 modules for my phone... anyone know how i go about doing this ... like where isthe framework 2 kernel... |
| 03:30.42 | UndrWater | right! ethereal! |
| 03:30.44 | alphabeat | i ran out of room on my sdcard so i couldn't try out a few programs i wanted to try |
| 03:31.08 | dbmoodb | mm i have an 8gb sdcard no.... i got a few gb free ;) |
| 03:31.11 | dbmoodb | so* |
| 03:31.27 | alphabeat | heh yeah i read that. SA yeah? |
| 03:31.44 | dbmoodb | can't get voip working or record any audio.... still don't know the mixer settings. |
| 03:31.56 | dbmoodb | it makes phone calls tho. |
| 03:32.17 | UndrWater | is there a SIP phone in a repo? |
| 03:32.36 | dbmoodb | in openmoko i have no idea. on debian... well its debian (yes). |
| 03:32.42 | UndrWater | :D |
| 03:32.48 | UndrWater | i'll check it out on deb side |
| 03:33.16 | UndrWater | which is the typical one? ekiga? |
| 03:33.30 | Infinyte | Who else is glad they didn't buy an iPhone? ;D |
| 03:33.31 | dbmoodb | ah ekiga... linphone... twinkle... ihu.... etc. etc. |
| 03:34.02 | dbmoodb | Infinyte: not me. :) but an iphone is $800 + some. this is like cheap. |
| 03:34.12 | Infinyte | holyforkz |
| 03:34.13 | Infinyte | What? |
| 03:34.25 | dbmoodb | well the iphone has a bigger screen and is more touchable |
| 03:34.32 | Infinyte | I thought the iPhone was cheaper? |
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| 03:34.39 | dbmoodb | Infinyte: not in australia |
| 03:34.50 | dbmoodb | its a total rip off here. |
| 03:34.52 | Infinyte | Ah I'm sorry. :< |
| 03:35.06 | Infinyte | Well, Apple sucks anyways |
| 03:35.11 | Agrajag- | i heard the iphone can actually make/receive calls/sms though |
| 03:35.16 | alphabeat | more touchable. hehe |
| 03:35.20 | dbmoodb | like... i would buy one because you can jail brake it not for the actual phone. alphabeat i can sms and make calls too. |
| 03:35.39 | alphabeat | kk |
| 03:36.02 | dbmoodb | i wanted this for voip but... ther is no voip yet. |
| 03:36.45 | alphabeat | all in time i guess |
| 03:37.14 | dbmoodb | + tango gps is neat the gps on this phone is mad good. |
| 03:37.45 | dbmoodb | once you get a lock you rarely loose it... rofl i left it on in my bag come back a few hours later after moving around a fair amount (its in my back pack). pull it out and the whole trip was logged |
| 03:37.59 | Infinyte | Huh that's odd. I just went and checked, and that swap space IS on my SD card. But the phone still don't notice it. |
| 03:38.21 | alphabeat | you might need to activate it Infinyte |
| 03:38.28 | Infinyte | How would I do that? |
| 03:38.29 | dbmoodb | swapfile on ? |
| 03:38.34 | dbmoodb | swapon* |
| 03:38.35 | alphabeat | mkswap /dev/blah; swapon |
| 03:39.13 | Infinyte | Dang, I can't remember what partition it's on |
| 03:39.18 | alphabeat | fdisk -l |
| 03:39.30 | Infinyte | Hmm lesse.. |
| 03:39.39 | Infinyte | Oh, must be that one. >_> |
| 03:39.45 | UndrWater | moko is more touchable than iphone...iphone is only finger touchable...moko can be touched by anything ;) |
| 03:39.55 | alphabeat | stop right there |
| 03:40.10 | alphabeat | i guess it does have multitouch though ... |
| 03:40.22 | alphabeat | but not being able to use stylus for certain things is a drawback |
| 03:40.43 | UndrWater | didn't make any judgement |
| 03:42.13 | Infinyte | Yay, it's on. For all intents and purposes. Will it turn itself back on on boot? |
| 03:42.41 | alphabeat | wireless? |
| 03:42.50 | Infinyte | No, the swap |
| 03:42.57 | alphabeat | if it's in /etc/fstab |
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| 03:43.14 | slaxxin | moko has a screen edge guard where the iphone has NONE |
| 03:43.37 | Infinyte | Ah okay. Lemme check that.. |
| 03:43.54 | alphabeat | so you should have a line in /etc/fstab saying: /dev/sdx none swap sw 0 0 |
| 03:44.02 | slaxxin | that sdcard is gonna BLOW |
| 03:44.45 | slaxxin | still under warrenty:()_ |
| 03:45.24 | Infinyte | It probably won't even use the swap file. But I like that it's there. >_> |
| 03:45.32 | slaxxin | whats an good mobile homepage thats setup good? |
| 03:45.40 | Infinyte | google.com? |
| 03:45.41 | Infinyte | >_> |
| 03:46.02 | slaxxin | i saw the google/mobile |
| 03:46.06 | alphabeat | m.reddit.com ;) |
| 03:47.19 | Infinyte | There should be like, 2GB of space in the Moko itself. |
| 03:47.29 | Infinyte | <_< |
| 03:47.29 | Infinyte | They do it on thumb drives. ;D |
| 03:47.51 | alphabeat | well you can always plug a little 8gb microsd in ;) |
| 03:48.09 | Infinyte | Yeah but, wouldn't it be faster if it was from the internal space? |
| 03:48.18 | alphabeat | yeah |
| 03:48.23 | Infinyte | My point exactly. |
| 03:48.24 | Infinyte | ;D |
| 03:53.13 | alphabeat | hmm...anyone know why i'd get segfaults trying to install packages on fso? |
| 03:53.21 | Infinyte | Kay, swap working, Wifi working. Err, wanna clean up my route thing though. I did route del for the 192.168.0.200, but the genmask for usb0 still appears in it. How can I get rid of that? |
| 03:53.38 | alphabeat | oh that one's ok |
| 03:53.45 | Infinyte | Oh okay. |
| 03:53.52 | alphabeat | as long as you've only got 1 default (Flag: G) |
| 03:53.58 | Infinyte | Oh one other thing. Any way to set time and NOT have it reset on reboot? |
| 03:54.14 | alphabeat | hwclock --systohc |
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| 03:55.03 | Infinyte | How do I specify the parameters? Or does that make it ask me for them? |
| 03:55.41 | Infinyte | Oh wait. First I set the clock on the phone, then I put that in and it'll hardwrite it to the phone? |
| 03:55.54 | Infinyte | So to speak |
| 03:57.24 | Infinyte | Perfect! :D |
| 03:58.35 | Infinyte | Y |
| 03:58.38 | Infinyte | Oops. |
| 03:58.49 | Infinyte | COnfused this with my terminal for a second. |
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| 04:00.36 | Infinyte | Yes, the GPS on this works great. Speaking of which, what's a good setting for the map download for say.. A 30 mile radius? |
| 04:01.31 | alphabeat | using tangogps? |
| 04:01.35 | Infinyte | Aye |
| 04:01.55 | alphabeat | just zoom out and click download and choose how many levels you want |
| 04:03.30 | Infinyte | Ahkay |
| 04:07.16 | Infinyte | Is there anything even lighter than xfce that can be used efficiently? |
| 04:08.31 | abraxa_ | Infinyte: matchbox. |
| 04:08.44 | SpeedEvil | lighter isn't really a problem. |
| 04:08.50 | Infinyte | matchbox? |
| 04:09.10 | SpeedEvil | FR/neo1973 are quite fast - as far as basic WMs go |
| 04:09.28 | SpeedEvil | It's only a 640*480 display anyway. |
| 04:09.49 | Infinyte | That's a good point. Know what'd look awesome though? e17 and Illume. :D |
| 04:10.29 | abraxa_ | Infinyte: You haven't heard of 2008.8, have you? |
| 04:10.54 | Infinyte | It's on my phone |
| 04:11.10 | Infinyte | Love the keyboard |
| 04:11.15 | Infinyte | Rest of it not so much. |
| 04:11.16 | Infinyte | :< |
| 04:12.18 | abraxa_ | Oh ok |
| 04:12.33 | Infinyte | This matchbox thing looks interesting |
| 04:12.49 | Infinyte | Is it completely left-click based? |
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| 04:13.28 | abraxa_ | It's made specifically for embedded devices, so... |
| 04:13.35 | Infinyte | Ah. XD |
| 04:13.39 | abraxa_ | And 2007.2 uses it. |
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| 04:13.55 | Infinyte | What's it based off of? |
| 04:14.21 | Infinyte | I mean like, gtk or qt? |
| 04:14.22 | dgym_ | openmoko-debian also uses matchbox |
| 04:14.42 | abraxa_ | http://matchbox-project.org |
| 04:15.14 | Infinyte | Anyone tried it yet? Err, actually. Does it recognize battery levels? |
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| 04:18.10 | Infinyte | Oo, the me like the screen shots. xP Is it stable though? |
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| 04:18.42 | abraxa_ | Openmoko uses it. Maemo uses it. You get the idea. |
| 04:19.08 | Infinyte | Well, can't hurt to try it. It's absolutely microscopic. >_> |
| 04:29.43 | Infinyte | Er.. Hmm |
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| 04:36.14 | Infinyte | Okay, so I installed matchbox, but there's no core launcher for it that I can find. O_o |
| 04:36.36 | swc|666 | matchbox sux - xvkbd ftw |
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| 04:37.01 | Infinyte | No I mean, the whole matchbox. Not the keyboard |
| 04:37.45 | UndrWater | Infinyte: do you have an .xinitrc? |
| 04:37.53 | Infinyte | Not sure |
| 04:37.57 | UndrWater | ls -a |
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| 04:38.17 | Infinyte | Hmmmmm |
| 04:38.19 | Infinyte | No. |
| 04:38.24 | Infinyte | Just .xinit |
| 04:38.46 | UndrWater | look at what's in there...maybe you can modify exec= line to point to matchbox binary |
| 04:39.02 | Infinyte | Well that's just it, there doesn't appear to be a binary for matchbox. |
| 04:39.03 | Infinyte | o_O |
| 04:39.12 | UndrWater | opkg files matchbox |
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| 04:39.25 | UndrWater | nothing in any /bin? |
| 04:39.46 | Infinyte | Uhm, I don't have opkg. On Debian |
| 04:39.52 | UndrWater | doh! |
| 04:39.55 | UndrWater | dpkg? |
| 04:40.03 | Infinyte | Tried, doesn't do anything. |
| 04:40.15 | UndrWater | how did you install? |
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| 04:40.51 | paroneayea | so, got debian running on my 1973, but audiocompletely works. Interestingly enough, FSO snapshot's audio works fine |
| 04:40.53 | Infinyte | I know that I have: matchbox-desktop, matchbox-keyboard, matchbox-keyboard-toggle, matchbox-panel, matchbox-panel-manager, matchbox-remote, matchbox-session and matchbox-window-manager |
| 04:40.58 | paroneayea | this includes audio out as well as audio in |
| 04:41.10 | Infinyte | But none of they all run seperatly |
| 04:41.18 | paroneayea | anyone have any ideas on what might be missing? |
| 04:41.21 | Infinyte | Err, I used the Wiki instructions at debian.org |
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| 04:42.19 | UndrWater | Infinyte: ahhh...i think you need a special .xinitrc |
| 04:43.14 | Infinyte | Hmm, well I can make xfce work. Because it has a, launcher per say, that activates all of it's extra stuff. |
| 04:43.42 | UndrWater | Infinyte: right... |
| 04:44.06 | UndrWater | what you're looking for is some kind of /usr/bin/startmatchbox script |
| 04:44.12 | Infinyte | Exactly |
| 04:44.18 | Infinyte | Ah okay, hmm.. |
| 04:45.39 | Infinyte | Err, unless.. |
| 04:45.51 | Infinyte | Just a sec. |
| 04:45.52 | Infinyte | >_> |
| 04:48.50 | UndrWater | waiting with baited breath |
| 04:50.05 | Infinyte | Well |
| 04:50.14 | Infinyte | Looking through the documentation |
| 04:50.25 | Infinyte | It looks like matchbox-window-manager is the core application |
| 04:50.39 | UndrWater | sounds reasonable |
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| 04:50.47 | Infinyte | Err, but I can't seem to get it to finish loading. |
| 04:51.08 | Infinyte | It's at the X startup thing, with the grey speckled background, and the mouse on the screen. |
| 04:51.30 | slaxxin | right click |
| 04:51.33 | UndrWater | ahh...but no wm? |
| 04:51.46 | Infinyte | No, but I think it was working earlier.. Hmm |
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| 04:55.53 | tkep | hi guys |
| 04:56.20 | slaxxin | wassup |
| 04:56.37 | tkep | just trying to get more news for the site |
| 04:56.52 | tkep | how's the split to the debian devel model going? |
| 04:57.32 | UndrWater | tkep: which site? |
| 04:57.36 | UndrWater | wiki? |
| 04:57.50 | tkep | no, my freerunner/openmoko news site |
| 04:58.04 | UndrWater | don't think i have that bookmarked ;) |
| 04:58.15 | tkep | you should!!!! |
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| 04:58.21 | Infinyte | ... I'm stoopit >_> |
| 04:58.29 | tkep | well, it just went live too ;) |
| 04:58.32 | tkep | www.freerunnerhq.com |
| 04:58.47 | tkep | trying to make it like a slashdot meets linuxquestions for freerunner |
| 04:58.50 | tkep | and openmoko |
| 04:59.37 | swc|666 | so, quick poll - how come everyone here has / uses / programs for the FR? |
| 05:00.00 | tkep | what? |
| 05:00.07 | tkep | swc|666, rephrase that |
| 05:00.08 | tkep | :) |
| 05:00.13 | Infinyte | Kay, got it working. It was matchbox-sessions |
| 05:00.27 | Infinyte | It's a shell script that opens the window manager, desktop and panel. |
| 05:00.29 | Infinyte | Haha |
| 05:00.43 | Infinyte | Also yeah, what swc? |
| 05:01.27 | UndrWater | tkep: looks good...bookmarked |
| 05:01.57 | UndrWater | Infinyte: how's it look? |
| 05:02.19 | tkep | thanks UndrWater...feel free to sign up for the forums :) |
| 05:02.28 | UndrWater | will do |
| 05:02.49 | Infinyte | Very basic, which is what I'm going for. ;D But.. I can't get the keyboard to pop up |
| 05:03.11 | UndrWater | tkep: working to unify the look? |
| 05:03.53 | tkep | yeah, currently working on the css for the forums |
| 05:04.11 | tkep | i'm also thinking of desaturating the pngs |
| 05:04.15 | UndrWater | i like the logo for the forums...put it on the home page |
| 05:04.53 | tkep | i'm actually working on a more permanent one with freerunnerHQ in it |
| 05:04.58 | tkep | should be done tomorrow or saturday |
| 05:05.32 | slaxxin | yay |
| 05:05.35 | tkep | the other problem is getting the bridge of the sql dbs together |
| 05:05.46 | tkep | but i am close to getting that fixed |
| 05:06.22 | UndrWater | nice...i could never do that |
| 05:07.17 | tkep | well, there is a nice project aimed at merging joomla with other content systems |
| 05:07.20 | tkep | unifying tables |
| 05:07.40 | tkep | i just have to work on it to get it to flow between smf and joomla |
| 05:07.58 | UndrWater | i've seen that...any reason for choosing smf over, say, phpbb? |
| 05:09.13 | tkep | yeah, sure enough :) i like the community for smf better. plus i have had experience with yabb in the past |
| 05:09.20 | Infinyte | Hmm, I wonder.. |
| 05:09.30 | tkep | however, i wish mercuryboard/quicksilver forums were still under development |
| 05:09.39 | tkep | they were the fastest and easiest to work with IMO |
| 05:09.51 | tkep | but there are big security holes that i can't wait for them to fix |
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| 05:11.09 | UndrWater | think i just killed my image :P |
| 05:11.27 | tkep | i've done that before :) |
| 05:11.30 | tkep | flash time! |
| 05:11.39 | UndrWater | maybe...seemed to recover |
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| 05:12.39 | Infinyte | Hmm.. |
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| 05:13.03 | UndrWater | Infinyte: how goes matchbox? |
| 05:13.11 | Infinyte | No keyboard. :< |
| 05:13.20 | UndrWater | not even with the alt button? |
| 05:13.27 | Infinyte | Nope |
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| 05:13.52 | UndrWater | oh...i think i remember reading somethign about that in the lists...how to call on-screen kb |
| 05:14.03 | Infinyte | But I may have an idear. |
| 05:14.11 | Infinyte | Tell you if it works momentarily. |
| 05:15.08 | Infinyte | Oh also |
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| 05:15.51 | Infinyte | It's broken in the fact that when you open an application, you can either exit, or switch to another application. BUT if you switch to the desktop, there's no way to get back to the application unless you open another and switch from it. O_o |
| 05:17.06 | tkep | did matchbox ever get to a point where it can be used without a stylus? |
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| 05:17.57 | UndrWater | tkep: finger? |
| 05:18.13 | tkep | si |
| 05:18.20 | UndrWater | no pues |
| 05:18.35 | UndrWater | apparently 2007 was pure matchbox |
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| 05:20.19 | abraxa_ | tkep: Matchbox is nothing more than a window manager... |
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| 05:21.06 | UndrWater | abraxa_: doesn't it other UI elements as well, though...dialog boxes and such? |
| 05:21.21 | Infinyte | How would you move a program into the applications list for xfce? |
| 05:21.23 | UndrWater | *provide |
| 05:21.39 | UndrWater | Infinyte: i think the .desktop file |
| 05:21.47 | Infinyte | Where's that hiding? |
| 05:21.54 | UndrWater | /usr/share/applications/ |
| 05:22.04 | Infinyte | Thanke |
| 05:22.12 | UndrWater | i think you look at Categories: |
| 05:23.00 | Infinyte | Hmm, that didn't help. |
| 05:23.16 | Infinyte | I need to find a way to launch the matchbox keyboard from inside the window manager |
| 05:23.25 | Infinyte | But it's not on it's application list |
| 05:23.29 | UndrWater | did you try to restart? |
| 05:23.32 | Infinyte | Yeah |
| 05:23.50 | tkep | abraxa_, right, i know that :) i meant the matchbox keyboard, which is what i thought we were talking about |
| 05:23.54 | tkep | my misunderstanding |
| 05:23.56 | Infinyte | No wait, that was with matchbox |
| 05:24.00 | Infinyte | I'm trying e16 now |
| 05:24.09 | Infinyte | Rebootin'. |
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| 05:25.05 | Infinyte | e16 is perfect, if I could just have the keyboard. >_> |
| 05:25.46 | UndrWater | menu with click? |
| 05:25.51 | Infinyte | Yeah |
| 05:26.04 | UndrWater | can you get kb up from ssh? |
| 05:26.16 | Infinyte | Well, when I try it says that it can't find the desktop |
| 05:26.17 | Infinyte | :\ |
| 05:26.33 | Infinyte | Nope, rebooting didn't help. |
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| 05:26.50 | UndrWater | Infinyte: DISPLAY=:0 <kb_app> |
| 05:27.00 | UndrWater | from ssh |
| 05:27.45 | Infinyte | :D Yay, that worked. |
| 05:27.47 | Infinyte | Only one problem. |
| 05:27.54 | tkep | so i'm trying to get more of a freerunner following at red hat |
| 05:28.02 | Infinyte | That doesn't help when I don't have access to my computer. :\ |
| 05:28.06 | tkep | i'm trying to think of a way of promoting it |
| 05:28.11 | tkep | everyone is being sucked in by iphones |
| 05:28.17 | tkep | any ideas? |
| 05:28.25 | UndrWater | Infinyte: so now you need a good .desktop file to get it in your menu |
| 05:28.52 | UndrWater | tkep: how many folks running redhat are moved by openness? |
| 05:28.56 | Melchiorre | tkep: tell them it can rub debian? :P |
| 05:29.19 | tkep | UndrWater, sadly, they love their openness with fedora, but not their phones |
| 05:29.26 | tkep | Melchiorre, hahahaha |
| 05:29.34 | UndrWater | tkep: if they don't get it from that standpoint, or from the standpoint of it being a truly linux phone...then there's no hope :P |
| 05:29.36 | tkep | i get enough shit for running ubuntu at work |
| 05:29.56 | UndrWater | from windows users? |
| 05:30.17 | tkep | haha, no, fedora and red hat users |
| 05:30.24 | Infinyte | Right, but I don't know where e16 searches for one. |
| 05:30.31 | UndrWater | i wish opkg had a status bar for downloads |
| 05:30.38 | tkep | amen UndrWater |
| 05:30.40 | tkep | i agree |
| 05:30.41 | UndrWater | dam...you're talking e16 |
| 05:30.57 | Infinyte | Right. :\ |
| 05:31.09 | tkep | but it sucks to see so many people at work getting iphones when you're working for an open source company |
| 05:31.12 | UndrWater | Infinyte: that's a completely different monster..but you know the direction you're heading...shouldn't be too hard |
| 05:31.42 | UndrWater | tkep: if i wanted a cool phone with wifi that worked...i'd probably get an iphone and jailbreak it |
| 05:31.53 | alphabeat | tkep what kind of company do you work for? |
| 05:32.04 | tkep | Red Hat |
| 05:32.18 | UndrWater | tkep: problem is...openmoko is not ready to be a daily phone yet |
| 05:32.21 | tkep | UndrWater, i agree, except that it's apple |
| 05:32.23 | alphabeat | well i see why they're giving you shit for ubuntu xD |
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| 05:32.31 | alphabeat | bastards |
| 05:32.32 | tkep | i run fedora and red hat too |
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| 05:32.37 | tkep | ;) |
| 05:32.42 | alphabeat | company policy i'm sure ;) |
| 05:32.56 | tkep | well, i love fedora for server use |
| 05:32.57 | UndrWater | run gentoo with omg-funroll-loops |
| 05:33.01 | tkep | but ubuntu for desktop |
| 05:33.06 | alphabeat | same |
| 05:33.09 | paulproteus | tkep, What open source company? |
| 05:33.12 | tkep | red hat |
| 05:33.42 | alphabeat | arch is nice too :) |
| 05:34.06 | UndrWater | i'd like to try arch |
| 05:34.12 | UndrWater | that's a source distro, right? |
| 05:34.15 | Infinyte | BINGO |
| 05:34.19 | alphabeat | a bit of both |
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| 05:34.22 | Infinyte | .e16/menus/user_apps.menu |
| 05:34.25 | Infinyte | I win |
| 05:34.26 | Infinyte | :D |
| 05:34.27 | rwhitby | just noticed that Intel bought OpenedHand ... |
| 05:34.28 | UndrWater | yay!! |
| 05:34.35 | UndrWater | rwhitby: yep |
| 05:34.53 | rwhitby | has there been any discussion of it here? |
| 05:34.58 | UndrWater | scarey-hopefull |
| 05:35.04 | tkep | but i agree, the freerunner isn't ready for primetime, even though i'm trying to use it like it is |
| 05:35.05 | UndrWater | haven't seen any yet... |
| 05:35.08 | alphabeat | not that i know of rwhitby |
| 05:35.36 | tkep | but to see people buying into a contract and sticking with the iphone. the bastion of closed-sourcedness....(new word!), it's just sad |
| 05:35.51 | alphabeat | makes baby-stallman cry :( |
| 05:35.55 | Infinyte | Edited, annnd the moment of trooth.. |
| 05:36.00 | Infinyte | YAY |
| 05:36.03 | Infinyte | It worrrks. :D |
| 05:37.05 | UndrWater | Infinyte: congrats! |
| 05:37.06 | paulproteus | tkep, Oh, I didn't realize they were giving iPhones to employees. I understand how you would feel. |
| 05:37.22 | Infinyte | Got xvkbd on there too. |
| 05:37.23 | tkep | no, they aren't giving them |
| 05:37.37 | tkep | paulproteus, but just seeing them buying them en mass sucks |
| 05:37.41 | paulproteus | Got it - just people happy about it. |
| 05:37.41 | paulproteus | nods |
| 05:37.43 | Infinyte | Any other on-screen keyboards that're in the Debian repos? |
| 05:37.44 | UndrWater | this weekend todo: install e16 |
| 05:37.51 | tkep | oh well, everyone is getting iphones...might as well get used to it |
| 05:37.57 | Infinyte | Thanks UndrWater, couldn't have done it without ya. :> |
| 05:38.13 | UndrWater | Infinyte: could have...just woulda taken a bit longer ;) |
| 05:38.41 | Infinyte | Yeah but I prolly woulda given up and stuck with xfce :P |
| 05:38.48 | rwhitby | is still looking for a 3G phone to replace the Treo650, and only iPhone and BlackBerry Bold come close ... |
| 05:39.11 | alphabeat | rwhitby: considered n95 or one of the htc ones? htc touch? |
| 05:39.15 | UndrWater | rwhitby: what do you think of your 650? |
| 05:39.20 | rwhitby | but with either of them, I can't read a mailing list and delete messages en-mass with a single keystroke per message. |
| 05:39.33 | rwhitby | alphabeat: anything windows mobile is even worse on clicks per action |
| 05:39.43 | paulproteus | rwhitby, #htc-linux ! |
| 05:40.00 | rwhitby | UndrWater: I love it, but I was in Japan earlier this week and couldn't use it. |
| 05:40.04 | Infinyte | e16+Keyboard=heaven |
| 05:40.50 | UndrWater | rwhitby: some things i can't stand: no call VR though BT, no extension dialing |
| 05:40.52 | raster | Infinyte: not sure thats a great setup for the FR |
| 05:40.56 | rwhitby | paulproteus: I need a phone where from the "off" state, I can start the email app and get new email with 1 or 2 keystrokes max, and then I can read and delete emails with 1 keystroke max per message |
| 05:40.57 | raster | on such a tiny screen etc. |
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| 05:41.15 | Infinyte | Well, I'm lovin' it. :D |
| 05:41.25 | rwhitby | Only the Treo650 can do that. No other phone in the universe can as far as I can see. |
| 05:41.36 | paulproteus | rwhitby, So run alpine on Debian on some htc-linux thing with a keyboard. (-; |
| 05:41.38 | raster | Infinyte: e17 is... much better :) |
| 05:41.53 | paulproteus | (Or mutt, take your pick.) |
| 05:41.59 | rwhitby | paulproteus: oh, the time to display a new message has to be instantaneous too |
| 05:42.01 | paulproteus | (Even on OE, not on Debian.) |
| 05:42.19 | paulproteus | rwhitby, alpine may be the most responsive IMAP client. |
| 05:42.21 | rwhitby | (so I can read and delete 500 messages on a half-hour bus trip) |
| 05:43.05 | UndrWater | raster: i've been trying to follow on the lists the way your keyboard works (and doesn't sometimes)... |
| 05:43.37 | UndrWater | raster: from what i understand...there's not package to install to get it besides using your image? |
| 05:43.49 | rwhitby | paulproteus: the boot time for palmos is long enough - Debian would be at least three times longer ... |
| 05:44.04 | paulproteus | rwhitby, Oh, by "off" I thought "in suspend" would qualify. |
| 05:44.21 | paulproteus | It would be interesting to see if one could do swsusp off MMC on ARM, though. |
| 05:44.51 | tkep | so, not to sound stupid, but what is e16? enlightenment? |
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| 05:45.04 | UndrWater | tkep: yes |
| 05:45.14 | tkep | i thought so |
| 05:45.14 | UndrWater | latest is e17... |
| 05:45.16 | tkep | right |
| 05:45.22 | tkep | but it's still beta, right? |
| 05:45.22 | UndrWater | what asu is running? |
| 05:45.23 | rwhitby | paulproteus: if suspend can last 6 days, then that's fine |
| 05:45.26 | tkep | and has been for years...lol |
| 05:45.43 | tkep | so who hear has the longest battery life? any ideas for getting more than a few hours? |
| 05:45.55 | tkep | that's my only real complaint, i can live with all other problems for now |
| 05:45.58 | UndrWater | tkep: under what conditions? tough question |
| 05:46.11 | tkep | thinks the devs should be focusing on this instead of looks right now |
| 05:46.16 | tkep | but i'm not a dev |
| 05:46.18 | rwhitby | simply put, I haven't found a windows mobile, or linux phone, open or closed, which can match the useability of the Treo650 for normal phone, pda, and email functions. |
| 05:46.22 | tkep | i mean, any conditions |
| 05:46.24 | UndrWater | and you're not a funder ;) |
| 05:46.57 | UndrWater | rwhitby: do you calendar with treo? |
| 05:47.03 | rwhitby | and I played with the iPhone for an hour yesterday in Akihabara, and it takes more than one click to delete messages too |
| 05:47.10 | rwhitby | UndrWater: GooSync |
| 05:47.20 | UndrWater | google? |
| 05:47.24 | rwhitby | yep |
| 05:47.30 | UndrWater | hrm... |
| 05:47.41 | UndrWater | is that free? |
| 05:47.46 | rwhitby | yep |
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| 05:47.52 | rwhitby | as in beer, not as in speech |
| 05:47.53 | alphabeat | you were in akihab yesterday? nice! |
| 05:48.39 | UndrWater | is that japan's silicon valley? |
| 05:48.44 | alphabeat | verily |
| 05:48.49 | rwhitby | it hasn't changed much in the 10 years since I was there last |
| 05:48.59 | alphabeat | less godzilla related attacks |
| 05:49.15 | rwhitby | maybe more gaidjin-friendly duty free stores and less real electronics parts stores |
| 05:49.33 | alphabeat | that's what i noticed too |
| 05:49.38 | rwhitby | UndrWater: "Electric City" |
| 05:49.46 | rwhitby | electronics and porn it seems |
| 05:49.48 | UndrWater | right...been there once many years ago |
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| 05:50.06 | UndrWater | spent more time in kansai tho |
| 05:50.24 | alphabeat | ahh soo |
| 05:50.37 | rwhitby | I spent an hour in a shop playing with the iPhone, so I could make informed statements about it. |
| 05:51.00 | rwhitby | Luckily, they had it configured with an email account, so I could send and recieve without giving someone my personal details or password |
| 05:51.02 | UndrWater | slick ain't it? |
| 05:51.26 | rwhitby | Sorry, but for reading and deleting large numbers of mailing list emails, it doesn't come close to the Treo650. |
| 05:51.38 | rwhitby | slick, but not efficient. |
| 05:52.31 | kvk | where can i get the documentation of AT commands, which can give me the idea of this % commands(AT%CACM, AT%STDR .....)?? |
| 05:52.54 | rwhitby | kvk: there is a wiki page on AT commands. dunno if those are listed |
| 05:53.07 | rwhitby | there is also an engineering commands doco somewhere |
| 05:53.25 | raster | UndrWater: the problem is that its configuration - not a package. and the way asu (2008.08) is set up you can't access that config withotu switching profiles |
| 05:53.41 | raster | and as such that wasnt really easy until i made some changes to have more streamlined "off the bat" profiel support |
| 05:54.01 | UndrWater | raster: right...so i've looked at the profile...and it says illume |
| 05:54.02 | rwhitby | hey raster, I see you're jumping on FSO now as primary platform? |
| 05:54.17 | UndrWater | but i don't have your kb...also not using your image either... |
| 05:54.21 | Infinyte | So what's the fastest, but picture-friendly browser for debian? |
| 05:54.41 | Infinyte | Firefox 3.0 is faster than Opera now, isn't it? *Forgets* |
| 05:54.48 | kvk | rwhitby: yaa, i have searched in google and i have searched in wiki also, i have got a AT manual but in that it does not define about this % commands |
| 05:55.50 | kvk | rwhitby: if you have the link, can you send me?? |
| 05:56.37 | rwhitby | kvk: you've read this page? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem#AT_command_interface |
| 05:56.46 | UndrWater | Infinyte: apparently midori for deb is really good |
| 05:56.52 | rwhitby | and the links to the enfora docs off there? |
| 05:58.35 | rwhitby | kvk: and you've looked through all the 3gpp specs for ts07.05, ts07.07 and ts07.10 ? |
| 05:58.46 | raster | rwhitby: of course! i crave sanity! |
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| 05:59.02 | raster | UndrWater: you have an old image. i changed it to asu by default |
| 05:59.05 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rd3706d1f4f7b 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [openmoko] Remove the duplicated preferred of dbus-native |
| 05:59.19 | raster | and right now... i have 18 questions/requests about keyboards per day |
| 05:59.23 | Infinyte | Midori? |
| 05:59.24 | raster | and for different images and versions |
| 05:59.24 | kvk | rwhitby: i have gone through this link, but it couldn't give much information about the %commands |
| 05:59.27 | raster | and all sorts of crud |
| 05:59.39 | rwhitby | raster: just don't turn it from it's current UI simplicity to some over-bling'd thing :-) |
| 05:59.47 | raster | from now on - if you want illume's keyboard, dont use ASU or 2008.08 or 2009.09 |
| 05:59.53 | raster | that is just going to save me repeatign myself |
| 06:00.05 | raster | rwhitby: i need to fix the theme... |
| 06:00.14 | UndrWater | raster: we need a "raster keyboard" wiki page |
| 06:00.25 | raster | fuck |
| 06:00.27 | raster | segv |
| 06:01.09 | kvk | rwhitby: yaa in 3gpp specs also i think he has not mention about these commands?? |
| 06:01.52 | rwhitby | kvk: dunno then - I don't know of any other info sources for at commands |
| 06:02.26 | raster | rwhitby: http://www.rasterman.com/files/mydesk-01.png |
| 06:02.34 | raster | rwhitby: going to build off that as the core theme/look |
| 06:02.41 | raster | as thats e17's new default theme being brewed |
| 06:02.47 | kvk | rwhitby: i will search for it and thnx for your information |
| 06:02.50 | raster | and it saves work if i can recycle the look and theme and stuff |
| 06:03.04 | Infinyte | raster, when they gonna put it in the repos? :P |
| 06:03.33 | raster | Infinyte: put what exactly? |
| 06:04.09 | Infinyte | e17 |
| 06:04.23 | raster | what repos? |
| 06:04.29 | raster | its already in OE |
| 06:04.34 | raster | i am not a debian developer |
| 06:04.36 | raster | i cant touch debian |
| 06:04.42 | raster | and i'm not going to make deb packages |
| 06:04.49 | Infinyte | Ah |
| 06:05.44 | UndrWater | looks forward to e17's new theme... |
| 06:06.39 | Infinyte | I wonder how much of a performance difference there is between Firefox and Midori.. |
| 06:06.52 | UndrWater | apparently a lot |
| 06:07.00 | UndrWater | have you tried midori? |
| 06:07.05 | rwhitby | raster: I'm in the same boat - OE and FSO is the easiest to contribute to. |
| 06:07.52 | Infinyte | Nopez, any documentation on the differences? :o |
| 06:08.47 | raster | UndrWater: theres been a lot done to it |
| 06:08.49 | UndrWater | saw it on the lists...search debian midori |
| 06:08.54 | raster | ilist is looking gorgeous |
| 06:08.59 | raster | and the frame stuff is nice now |
| 06:09.02 | raster | scrollbars are nice |
| 06:09.12 | raster | need to still do filemanager and a chunk of other things |
| 06:09.12 | UndrWater | raster: anything to be seen from cvs (or whatever you're using)? |
| 06:09.19 | raster | UndrWater: theme is in svn |
| 06:09.20 | raster | :) |
| 06:09.29 | UndrWater | ahh OK ;) |
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| 06:09.39 | UndrWater | i'll put it on my unstable desktop |
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| 06:10.53 | UndrWater | it'll look good rocking when the wind blows by |
| 06:11.04 | Infinyte | Well I'll check it out, in the meantime though. Any idea what might be able to tell my my battery life? |
| 06:11.30 | raster | Infinyte: apm |
| 06:11.40 | raster | Infinyte: e17's battery gadget does it too... :) |
| 06:11.58 | Infinyte | Yeah yeah. :P |
| 06:12.04 | Infinyte | So apm can read it? |
| 06:12.19 | raster | :yes |
| 06:12.30 | UndrWater | it had better ;) |
| 06:12.38 | raster | though the more extensive api is /sys/class/power_supply |
| 06:12.58 | UndrWater | that's outside of apm? |
| 06:13.02 | raster | apm is only provided as a backwards-compat hack to keep qtopia and the old 2007.02 stuff happy |
| 06:13.11 | raster | as those dont support nwere kernel interfaces |
| 06:13.21 | UndrWater | oi |
| 06:13.24 | Infinyte | Uhm.. When I try to launch apm, nothing happens. |
| 06:13.25 | Infinyte | o_O |
| 06:13.41 | raster | apm -v |
| 06:13.42 | UndrWater | cat /proc/apm |
| 06:13.46 | raster | its commandline |
| 06:13.49 | raster | or cat that |
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| 06:15.02 | Infinyte | 1.13 1.2 0x02 0xff 0xff 0xff -1% -1 ? |
| 06:15.03 | Infinyte | >_> |
| 06:15.05 | UndrWater | oh wow!! lots of info in power_supply!! |
| 06:15.17 | UndrWater | charging |
| 06:15.22 | UndrWater | my guess |
| 06:15.30 | Infinyte | Err, yeah it is. |
| 06:15.35 | UndrWater | did you try apm -v |
| 06:15.50 | Infinyte | APM BIOS 1.2 (kernel driver 1.13) |
| 06:15.52 | Infinyte | That's all it says |
| 06:15.57 | raster | UndrWater: yes. that is the "new" kernel api for finding out about all sorts of power supply info |
| 06:16.04 | raster | be it ups, battery, ac adaptors etc. |
| 06:16.16 | UndrWater | Infinyte: prolly cause it's deb |
| 06:16.20 | raster | hmm maybe it was apm somehtgin else |
| 06:16.22 | raster | either way |
| 06:16.26 | raster | i dont listen to apm |
| 06:16.28 | raster | its oooold |
| 06:16.32 | UndrWater | -v shows 100% for me |
| 06:16.51 | Infinyte | Well, is there a graphical one? |
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| 06:17.10 | Infinyte | Kinda wanted something I just glance at now and again |
| 06:17.19 | UndrWater | you've got zhone installed? |
| 06:17.38 | UndrWater | that has an applet |
| 06:17.55 | Infinyte | It does? O_o |
| 06:18.00 | UndrWater | yep |
| 06:18.54 | UndrWater | hrm...have to get downstairs...little girl has been crying all night |
| 06:19.13 | tkep | i feel like such a n00b reading all of this |
| 06:19.21 | mmontour | to get the real info about battery/charger, "find /sys -name chgmode" and "find /sys -name capacity" (will show you the paths for the PMU and the battery; lots of interesting files in each) |
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| 06:25.55 | tkep | alright guys, i'm off for the night. take it easy |
| 06:25.58 | tkep | see you tomorrow |
| 06:26.42 | Infinyte | Nighty |
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| 06:28.43 | raster | oooh |
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| 06:28.49 | raster | THATS why it segv'd |
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| 06:29.32 | raster | ok ok |
| 06:29.34 | raster | rebuildies |
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| 06:31.42 | raster | rwhitby: what are you actually hacking about on these days? |
| 06:32.01 | dbmoodb | hi ah anyone got recording going on debian ? |
| 06:32.23 | dbmoodb | like i don't get this i can hear via zphone but.. not record via arecord.. |
| 06:32.36 | raster | dm oh sorry - i vanished before - youg glamo stuff |
| 06:32.45 | raster | dbmoodb: oosp tab |
| 06:32.48 | raster | um |
| 06:32.51 | raster | sd card is don4e |
| 06:33.01 | raster | but it will have limited write/read speeds |
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| 06:33.04 | raster | as it goes thru glamo |
| 06:33.09 | raster | tho in theory that shoudl be 7mb/sec |
| 06:33.15 | raster | its wel below that right now |
| 06:33.25 | raster | chances are because it first writes to video ram from sd |
| 06:33.30 | raster | then reads to system ram from there |
| 06:33.37 | raster | graphcis acceleration is another matter |
| 06:33.40 | raster | and there is acceleration |
| 06:33.46 | raster | blits and fills ass wel as xv |
| 06:33.56 | raster | its about as much accel as u get in most desktop xservers |
| 06:33.59 | dbmoodb | mm? |
| 06:34.03 | raster | its not all the glamo can do |
| 06:34.09 | raster | but it really cant do a LOT more than is useful |
| 06:34.46 | dbmoodb | oh... ok but for sound raster i get some overflow in ihu... and sound channels seem locked |
| 06:34.49 | dbmoodb | any ideas? |
| 06:34.58 | raster | basically it has acceleration - and you're in the land of "sure you can write more drivers - but what is the usefulness of adding more? what is the gain vs pain ratio?" |
| 06:35.05 | raster | i'd say your on the downhill slow there |
| 06:35.17 | raster | ie u spend more and mroe effort and get less and less |
| 06:35.26 | raster | anyway |
| 06:35.30 | raster | no idea on sound |
| 06:35.44 | raster | there is a laundry list of issues on FR (kernel bugs, hw bugs, and stuff...) |
| 06:35.49 | raster | and it changes every few days |
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| 06:36.08 | dbmoodb | raster: ok. i'm not that bugged about theglamo i'm just saying make it as useful as possible. |
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| 06:36.11 | dbmoodb | given contrainsts |
| 06:36.21 | raster | thats pretty much been done |
| 06:36.28 | raster | yes - xrender coudl get some more accel |
| 06:36.46 | raster | but to really get xrender fulyl useful (ie be able to do compositing) glamo just cant do that |
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| 06:36.52 | raster | its missing things to be able to go that far |
| 06:37.05 | raster | (thats what i mean about hitting land of diminishing returns) |
| 06:37.10 | raster | u have a goal of usage |
| 06:37.20 | raster | and if u do all the chip can.. will that usage be improved? |
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| 06:37.37 | raster | glamo CANNOT handle ARGB32 destination for rendering |
| 06:37.43 | b0ib01 | hey peeps |
| 06:37.49 | raster | that means you can never have an accelerated surface WITH an alpha channel |
| 06:38.00 | raster | without - yes |
| 06:38.01 | raster | but not with |
| 06:38.06 | b0ib01 | woa, we talking about gfx!? |
| 06:38.16 | raster | opengl - it can be done |
| 06:38.25 | raster | if u like to live with 256x256 max size textures |
| 06:38.33 | raster | and basically qvga (not vga) |
| 06:38.43 | raster | and doing ogl libs to work with kdrive will be a huge amount of work |
| 06:38.44 | b0ib01 | raster, you demo scener? |
| 06:38.47 | raster | the docs are very.. thin |
| 06:38.51 | raster | b0ib01: no. |
| 06:39.19 | raster | though.. i did grow up learning all the tricks of that trade |
| 06:39.26 | raster | way back in my amiga days |
| 06:39.31 | raster | cracking copy protection |
| 06:39.40 | raster | playign with new "i cracked this game" demo routines |
| 06:39.53 | raster | then figuring out how to fiddle hardware to do thngs it wasnt designed to do... |
| 06:40.09 | dbmoodb | raster: where is the viop alsa state for the gta02 located |
| 06:40.09 | raster | but in those days... hw was well documented! |
| 06:40.10 | raster | :) |
| 06:40.11 | b0ib01 | right on |
| 06:40.16 | raster | dm no idea |
| 06:40.21 | raster | dbmoodb: no idea |
| 06:40.25 | b0ib01 | i'm a coder, got my start in "the scene" |
| 06:40.27 | Infinyte | Midori's pretty gewd. :D |
| 06:40.36 | raster | dbmoodb: i thinjk i have made 1 phone call with my FR |
| 06:40.37 | raster | ever |
| 06:40.40 | raster | i have recieve 2 |
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| 06:40.49 | raster | where i cant hear the other end |
| 06:40.54 | b0ib01 | i bought a freerunner and plan to port some of my gfx effects over to it |
| 06:41.00 | raster | i learnt my lesson not to trust my FR to the job of being my phone... |
| 06:41.15 | raster | so my sim card basically doesnt get plugged in as i have people who want to call/talk to me |
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| 06:41.29 | dbmoodb | raster: ? ah |
| 06:41.32 | dbmoodb | well i want to do voip |
| 06:41.35 | raster | b0ib01: beware ... poor glamo will be a pain :( |
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| 06:41.40 | raster | dbmoodb: i cant help u |
| 06:41.43 | dbmoodb | that's why i got it . idon't want another mobile rofl |
| 06:41.52 | raster | i've never gotten anything sensible out of my FR wrt to normal gsm calls |
| 06:42.02 | raster | wifi is too flakey to use for me |
| 06:42.14 | dbmoodb | ah great on debian |
| 06:42.15 | raster | so its a nice lcd screen with an arm attached plugged ito usb for me |
| 06:42.16 | raster | :) |
| 06:42.41 | beni_ | any hint where i can grab a latest dfu-util? |
| 06:42.43 | dbmoodb | raster: ? |
| 06:42.43 | raster | b0ib01: u have very limited write/read bandwidth to video ram. |
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| 06:42.55 | dbmoodb | its my pda calendar and todo list |
| 06:43.07 | Infinyte | So, has anyone gotten Debian to play sounds? Such as an ogg file through vlc or something? |
| 06:43.10 | raster | dbmoodb: i use my n800 for that :) |
| 06:43.30 | dbmoodb | yeah well i need some damn viop client rofl |
| 06:43.36 | b0ib01 | i heard somewhere the video on the freerunner could do somewhere around 40k flat shaded poly/sec |
| 06:43.49 | b0ib01 | the gpu that is |
| 06:44.00 | dbmoodb | ALSA lib pcm_params.c:2135:(snd1_pcm_hw_refine_slave) Slave PCM not usable |
| 06:44.41 | lindi- | Infinyte: yes. |
| 06:44.41 | raster | b0ib01: no docs. nda only. and that'd only be at qvga, not vga |
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| 06:45.14 | dbmoodb | raster: :) can we get refunds on teh phone (jokes) |
| 06:45.33 | raster | dbmoodb: joyfully.. no :) it's yours to keep now... so make the best of it! :) |
| 06:45.34 | Infinyte | How'd you do it lindi? :O |
| 06:45.38 | b0ib01 | i've got a pretty sweet scanline buffering routine that buffers alternating half of the screen per frame... it doesent look as good as full screen gfx, but it adds a trippy effect, and nearly doubles speed... so you essentially half the rez you are rendering |
| 06:46.07 | b0ib01 | dbmoodb, ebay? lmao |
| 06:46.11 | lindi- | Infinyte: how did you search the wiki? |
| 06:46.16 | raster | b0ib01: ewww. interlace! :( |
| 06:46.17 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.34 | b0ib01 | raster, nah, it can look good if used proper |
| 06:46.43 | raster | b0ib01: u have 7mb/sec to the fb. at the lcd res (480x640 & 16bpp) thats not much |
| 06:46.51 | raster | as all time spent writing to the fb is lost cycles |
| 06:46.52 | b0ib01 | raster, what os you running right now? |
| 06:46.58 | raster | as the soc is held in waitstates |
| 06:47.04 | Infinyte | The Wiki? |
| 06:47.21 | raster | b0ib01: and i know what it'd look like.. i grew upon that feckin interlace stuff :) |
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| 06:47.36 | raster | b0ib01: and what os where? desktop? fr? |
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| 06:50.11 | b0ib01 | raster, main os that you run on your pc? |
| 06:50.16 | raster | linux |
| 06:50.17 | dbmoodb | raster: till the damn thing gets voip there is no point in having a linux phone |
| 06:50.24 | b0ib01 | ah, what flavour? |
| 06:50.28 | b0ib01 | i'm slackware |
| 06:50.32 | raster | dbmoodb: actually if u can use it as a regular phone |
| 06:50.39 | raster | ie replace my existing liux phone.. its worht it |
| 06:50.40 | raster | :) |
| 06:50.42 | raster | screw voip |
| 06:50.52 | raster | just regular calls would be great |
| 06:50.55 | raster | well calls + sms |
| 06:51.02 | dbmoodb | i can do that atm |
| 06:51.07 | raster | i cant |
| 06:51.12 | raster | not with ASU |
| 06:51.14 | dbmoodb | any $30 phone can do that |
| 06:51.16 | raster | or FSO |
| 06:51.19 | raster | indeed |
| 06:51.23 | raster | well actually |
| 06:51.27 | raster | u dont get $30 phones |
| 06:51.30 | raster | that doesnt exist |
| 06:51.37 | dbmoodb | raster: ebay ? |
| 06:51.39 | dbmoodb | and yes they do |
| 06:51.40 | raster | well maybe one of the "it has no screen" ones in india or china |
| 06:51.44 | raster | thats 2nd hand |
| 06:51.47 | dbmoodb | and? |
| 06:51.49 | b0ib01 | raster, i'll sell my old phone for 30 lmao |
| 06:51.52 | raster | not comparable |
| 06:51.56 | dbmoodb | raster: is so |
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| 06:52.04 | b0ib01 | it was once a free phone |
| 06:52.10 | raster | retail price for a new phone is starting about $120 |
| 06:52.16 | dbmoodb | my $30 phone can sms / do things better than this one rofl. |
| 06:52.19 | raster | free just means "subsidised" |
| 06:52.20 | dbmoodb | raster: ah no |
| 06:52.22 | raster | it cost you anyway |
| 06:52.26 | raster | but the phone compnay paid for it |
| 06:52.36 | raster | and sucked the pound of flesh out of you through your contract |
| 06:52.37 | raster | :) |
| 06:53.00 | b0ib01 | agreed |
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| 06:53.10 | b0ib01 | so i need a tad bit of help |
| 06:53.11 | raster | but i dont want more pocket junk |
| 06:53.13 | raster | i have enough |
| 06:53.22 | b0ib01 | my wife has been looking around and cant find |
| 06:53.39 | raster | z-sl-c860, 2 FR's, n800, ipaq... and my moto rokr e6 phone |
| 06:53.45 | b0ib01 | something saying that its illegal to force people to buy a phone with a contract if you come in with your own phone |
| 06:53.48 | raster | i want 1 thing in my pocket that does all i need |
| 06:53.54 | raster | and i can hack the ui of |
| 06:53.56 | dbmoodb | http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/48b79c9a09b83822273fc0a87f9c0729/Product/View/E6289 |
| 06:53.57 | raster | to be nice |
| 06:53.59 | dbmoodb | $50 |
| 06:54.06 | b0ib01 | unicel refuses to give us servicce on an unlocked phone unless we buy one of there phones |
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| 06:54.45 | b0ib01 | thats not supposed to be legal |
| 06:55.00 | dbmoodb | b0ib01: sure it isn't -- "sorry we only support our model" |
| 06:55.02 | raster | dbmoodb: if its locked to virgin.. its discounted (by a subsidy from virgin) :) |
| 06:55.03 | dbmoodb | they can do that. |
| 06:55.16 | dbmoodb | raster: ah ? no its not. probably not |
| 06:55.18 | dbmoodb | my one wasn't |
| 06:55.34 | raster | dbmoodb: depends on the mobile |
| 06:55.38 | dbmoodb | and its not like your can't unlock it |
| 06:55.44 | raster | a lot of prepaids are locks to virgin only sim cards |
| 06:55.48 | raster | and sure |
| 06:55.49 | raster | unlock |
| 06:55.58 | raster | but we are talking "legit" not working around the system |
| 06:56.02 | raster | but you are right |
| 06:56.07 | raster | we are quibbling over a fe $ |
| 06:56.14 | dbmoodb | well if you talking about legit the ipod fails |
| 06:56.21 | dbmoodb | no jailbrake |
| 06:56.27 | raster | of course |
| 06:56.30 | raster | the iphone fails |
| 06:56.31 | raster | :) |
| 06:56.42 | dbmoodb | but with jailbrake its ok. |
| 06:56.54 | dbmoodb | if you want to spend $800 on a phone |
| 06:57.37 | dbmoodb | raster: like i think the openmoko freerunner will be great once we can get some more general modules and voip / other things of use |
| 06:58.09 | dbmoodb | but to be honest the gps is mad on it anyway |
| 06:58.24 | b0ib01 | i spent 850 on the freerunner! |
| 06:58.31 | b0ib01 | thats coz i got 2 of em though lol |
| 06:58.41 | b0ib01 | my wife said i wasnt allowed to buy one unless i got her one as well |
| 06:58.58 | dbmoodb | does she use it rof l? |
| 06:59.23 | b0ib01 | she's the linux guru, she said she wouldnt help me if i broke mine |
| 06:59.37 | raster | dbmoodb: $800 is more the prioce u pay for ta high-end phone like an iphone .. if its legit and not locked (ie someone has subsidised it) |
| 06:59.39 | b0ib01 | they havent gotten here yet... supposed to be here next teus |
| 07:00.00 | raster | b0ib01: hahahahahahaha |
| 07:00.07 | b0ib01 | every time i break my main machine and get stuck, she's right there to pick up the pieces |
| 07:00.35 | b0ib01 | i *might* be able to fix it myself... but when you've got a hot chick offering to do it for you, you'd be crazy to say no |
| 07:00.37 | dbmoodb | you are joking no ? |
| 07:00.53 | b0ib01 | i was a m$ fanboy when her and I met |
| 07:01.01 | b0ib01 | .net developer, whole 9 yards |
| 07:01.10 | b0ib01 | that was 3 years ago, now i'll never turn back |
| 07:01.13 | raster | i find this... very hard to believe |
| 07:01.14 | b0ib01 | she converted me |
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| 07:01.24 | b0ib01 | nah i'm serious |
| 07:01.24 | raster | i know maybe... 3 hot linux chicks. |
| 07:01.26 | MokoN00b | women can do that |
| 07:01.33 | MokoN00b | we need more women in linux |
| 07:01.35 | MokoN00b | :) |
| 07:01.40 | b0ib01 | i was the one who found the phone though, so that was my points scored =] |
| 07:01.49 | raster | and i've been through the whole conference/tradeshow etc. scene for over a decade... |
| 07:02.01 | dbmoodb | oh btw raster any news on suspend / battery life ? |
| 07:02.10 | b0ib01 | i'm beat her at some things |
| 07:02.14 | b0ib01 | she cant code to save her life |
| 07:02.33 | b0ib01 | so if she needs a script or something, i'm the one who does it |
| 07:02.58 | raster | hot chicks.. who are into linux.. are like... um... giraffes in antarctica ... not many of them... and when they go outside.. they freeze! :) |
| 07:03.09 | b0ib01 | roflol |
| 07:03.12 | dbmoodb | raster: they exist? |
| 07:03.15 | raster | dbmoodb: well.. i have managed 2 days of suspend or so befor eno problems |
| 07:03.33 | raster | but *IF* it successfulyl resumes.. is always a good question as luck may vary :) |
| 07:03.36 | dbmoodb | raster: nar but with phone /.wake up on phone call |
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| 07:03.59 | raster | b0ib01: oooh. so she just likes linux. thinsk its cool. u are the one with the skills? |
| 07:03.59 | fale_ | someone have bought from eshopen.com ? it seemes pretty fake |
| 07:05.07 | b0ib01 | raster, i'd say we're equally skilled |
| 07:05.18 | b0ib01 | she was a linux admin when we met |
| 07:05.30 | raster | well.. when it comes to code |
| 07:05.30 | b0ib01 | server admin that is |
| 07:06.22 | beni_ | Hm, i wonder if uBoot 1.3.2-ec2-dirty-moko12 from Apr, 2. is more recent that u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr114 |
| 07:06.26 | b0ib01 | i been coding way back when 486 was new... |
| 07:06.32 | Infinyte | Is there any way, (Besides it locating you) to test if your GPS is on in TangoGPS? |
| 07:06.39 | beni_ | that is from the today build |
| 07:06.51 | b0ib01 | qbasic ftw |
| 07:06.53 | raster | i started long before 486 was a twinkle in intel's baby-blue eyes :) heheheh |
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| 07:07.16 | raster | come on dfu-util |
| 07:07.20 | raster | flash already! |
| 07:07.34 | b0ib01 | raster, that just makes you sound old lmao |
| 07:07.39 | raster | yeah |
| 07:07.41 | raster | i am |
| 07:07.48 | b0ib01 | 24 here |
| 07:07.49 | raster | thats the sad bit |
| 07:07.51 | raster | 32 |
| 07:07.54 | raster | :) |
| 07:08.10 | b0ib01 | right on |
| 07:08.14 | raster | young whipper-snappers! |
| 07:08.16 | beni_ | is there any way to get knowledge on which uboot is actually more recent? |
| 07:08.18 | Infinyte | Ye old fart. |
| 07:08.19 | Infinyte | ;p |
| 07:08.57 | raster | 1's and 01's.. binary.. ha! luxury! when i was your age. we didn't even has 1's. we would write entire programs only in 0's! |
| 07:09.02 | alphabeat | going to any snowfields tonight raster? |
| 07:09.11 | raster | alphabeat: nah.. that was last weekend |
| 07:09.17 | raster | this weekend.. me-hacking time |
| 07:09.19 | alphabeat | yeh was asking about this weekend? ;) |
| 07:09.37 | alphabeat | oh hacking what? |
| 07:09.38 | raster | i think i have decided to start an e-image.bb |
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| 07:09.54 | raster | hmm wait |
| 07:09.56 | raster | there is one |
| 07:10.06 | raster | i am going to have to... revamp it |
| 07:10.10 | raster | with illume |
| 07:10.15 | raster | and merge in fso |
| 07:10.40 | raster | hmm |
| 07:10.47 | raster | maybe i should do an illume one? |
| 07:10.50 | raster | what should i call it? |
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| 07:11.26 | alphabeat | i got nothin |
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| 07:11.39 | alphabeat | friday afternoon...all out of wit i'm afraid |
| 07:11.39 | MokoN00b | raster: are you talking about a new keyboard package? |
| 07:11.49 | raster | MokoN00b: a new image that uses e+illume |
| 07:11.52 | raster | and FSO |
| 07:11.59 | raster | but with the e look and feel |
| 07:12.06 | raster | might rhow in a bunch of useful apps |
| 07:12.09 | raster | like.. terminal |
| 07:12.12 | raster | throw |
| 07:12.26 | MokoN00b | how about "e-llume" |
| 07:12.31 | raster | hmmm |
| 07:12.34 | MokoN00b | or "e-lluminate" |
| 07:12.48 | raster | ellume too close to a typo for illume |
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| 07:13.00 | MokoN00b | hahaha |
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| 07:13.02 | MokoN00b | yeah |
| 07:13.08 | raster | time to go to my e wordlist |
| 07:13.19 | alphabeat | elluminati |
| 07:13.29 | MokoN00b | thats just scary |
| 07:13.35 | alphabeat | heh |
| 07:13.38 | MokoN00b | :-/ |
| 07:14.27 | alphabeat | how about yet another "yet another" prefixed package? |
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| 07:18.20 | MokoN00b | how about "fulminate" |
| 07:18.44 | MokoN00b | or "fulluminate" |
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| 07:18.51 | raster | hahaha |
| 07:19.05 | MokoN00b | 8-) |
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| 07:19.32 | b0ib02 | back, net dropped off |
| 07:21.30 | beni_ | emulli would be nice. |
| 07:21.34 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:21.36 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re7084c12e6a9 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: fix e revert focus bug reported in #1858 |
| 07:21.37 | beni_ | 2.0 |
| 07:22.08 | beni_ | hm, i encountered a suspend/wakeup problem in FSO |
| 07:22.23 | beni_ | supsended it by short pressing power |
| 07:22.32 | beni_ | resumed it by short press to power again |
| 07:22.45 | beni_ | fr resumed, but after about 2 secs suspended again |
| 07:22.47 | beni_ | now its dead |
| 07:23.24 | beni_ | could only boot it by removing battery for some secs |
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| 07:25.53 | b0ib02 | woa |
| 07:26.09 | b0ib02 | the faq doesent mention weather or not the freerunner can work with flash |
| 07:26.13 | beni_ | is that known? i thougt in FSO suspend works already? |
| 07:26.20 | b0ib02 | how will i watch booble!? D= |
| 07:26.24 | MokoN00b | where is the take screenshot config |
| 07:26.33 | MokoN00b | the file on the website doesnt exist |
| 07:26.49 | MokoN00b | there is no /usr/share/sugar/shell/view/Shell.py |
| 07:27.15 | MokoN00b | hold on |
| 07:27.19 | MokoN00b | i think i found it |
| 07:27.22 | MokoN00b | forget that |
| 07:27.25 | MokoN00b | :) |
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| 07:29.27 | raster | aha! |
| 07:29.29 | raster | fixes done! |
| 07:30.05 | MokoN00b | wow, i asked that question in the wrong channel |
| 07:30.25 | MokoN00b | im really having trouble deciding which window goes with what today |
| 07:30.29 | MokoN00b | :-/ |
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| 07:30.59 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 07:36.55 | lpotter | sugar! |
| 07:37.27 | MokoN00b | sugar might be pretty sweet on the openmoko |
| 07:37.51 | MokoN00b | at least the wifi view would be super cool |
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| 07:45.23 | rwhitby | raster: I've been hacking on trying to get my GTA02 to actually work, and failing that, I've been hacking on getting a similar functionality on the GTA01 FSO. |
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| 07:45.51 | tkep | hey, any ideas on how to get a divx file to play on the phone? |
| 07:46.06 | MokoN00b | i second that motion |
| 07:46.14 | MokoN00b | we need a stable release |
| 07:46.26 | MokoN00b | unstable is cool if you have something to fall back on |
| 07:46.58 | raster | rwhitby: aaah. a big uphill battle there |
| 07:47.06 | MokoN00b | im kind of hoping android will magically solve this problem |
| 07:47.15 | MokoN00b | :) |
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| 07:47.44 | MokoN00b | well, uphill battles are what free software is about, right? |
| 07:47.49 | MokoN00b | 8-) |
| 07:47.52 | TAsn | nah |
| 07:48.01 | TAsn | uphill battles are plain fun |
| 07:48.07 | MokoN00b | well, that too |
| 07:48.09 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 07:48.21 | rwhitby | raster: I've got gsm, tango, numpty and orrery working on the gta01 so far |
| 07:48.34 | MokoN00b | translation: if its not uphill, its not challenging |
| 07:49.06 | rwhitby | the thing is, unlike a lot of people, for each step I take forward, I make sure it's then part of the standard image for everyone else. |
| 07:50.55 | rwhitby | and whatever done is repeatably buildable and in the feeds |
| 07:50.55 | tkep | so using om2008.8, is it possible to play divx files yet? |
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| 07:54.55 | TAsn | MokoN00b, downhill skiing can also be challenging |
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| 07:57.32 | tkep | this man speaks the truth |
| 07:58.06 | MokoN00b | yeah, but uphill skiing really is a challenge |
| 07:58.12 | tkep | touche |
| 07:58.53 | TAsn | im not comparing challenges |
| 07:59.05 | TAsn | im just disproving you previous statement |
| 07:59.09 | TAsn | <MokoN00b> translation: if its not uphill, its not challenging |
| 07:59.19 | MokoN00b | true enough |
| 07:59.52 | MokoN00b | how about: working against gravity is always more challenging than working with it? |
| 08:00.35 | Stroller | Yeah, well, sometimes you can make life too easy, y'know? |
| 08:00.58 | tkep | bedtime |
| 08:01.11 | MokoN00b | i agree |
| 08:01.16 | rwhitby | working with gravity usually hurts more :-) |
| 08:01.25 | MokoN00b | thats why i was talking about a stable image |
| 08:01.44 | TAsn | anyway i do agree we need a stable image ;) |
| 08:02.01 | rwhitby | we have at least three stable images ... |
| 08:02.05 | TAsn | but even more than that we need my moko ta arrive |
| 08:02.09 | TAsn | to* |
| 08:02.10 | MokoN00b | that depends whether youre working with gravity or it is working _on_ you |
| 08:02.19 | rwhitby | OM2007.02, Om2008.8, FSO milestone2, ... |
| 08:02.20 | TAsn | rwhitby, from what i hear they lake memory |
| 08:02.30 | TAsn | *leak |
| 08:02.42 | TAsn | by the galons |
| 08:02.57 | Infoport | my previous phone worked with gravity when I threw it away. I'm still happier with the uphill battle of a developer phone :D |
| 08:03.01 | MokoN00b | i think my definition of "stable" is probably different |
| 08:03.03 | MokoN00b | :) |
| 08:03.12 | MokoN00b | me, too |
| 08:03.27 | MokoN00b | i have tons of things i cant do with "stable" phones that i want to do with this one |
| 08:03.46 | MokoN00b | then again, there are tons of things i can do with "stable" phones that i cant do with this one |
| 08:04.06 | MokoN00b | so, in a way, its sort of an apples to oranges problem |
| 08:04.16 | rwhitby | MokoN00b: stable means that it doesn't change. You want something stable with reasonable functionality too |
| 08:04.37 | Infoport | this phone has ALL KINDS of potential, but the app that impresses everyone right away is STILL orrery! :) |
| 08:04.46 | MokoN00b | and of course, i like apples _and_ oranges, so i want the best of both worlds |
| 08:05.20 | TAsn | MokoN00b, from this one im also expecting to get steak and milkshakes :) |
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| 08:05.48 | MokoN00b | my definition of "stable" includes never crashing |
| 08:06.10 | MokoN00b | anyway, im out of time |
| 08:06.15 | MokoN00b | i have to get out of here |
| 08:06.22 | rwhitby | there are no openmoko images that meet that criteria |
| 08:06.30 | rwhitby | if you need that, buy a different phone |
| 08:06.40 | rwhitby | (but good luck finding one that never crashes) |
| 08:06.44 | Infoport | TAsn the Gestures app (uses accelerometers) does Shake-Shake :P |
| 08:06.46 | ecraven | should orrery work in landscape mode? |
| 08:06.49 | MokoN00b | well, i was hoping i could help to make it happen |
| 08:07.05 | TAsn | Infoport, hehe, i saw that one :) |
| 08:07.06 | MokoN00b | anyway, thats all the future |
| 08:07.13 | MokoN00b | its not going to happen today |
| 08:07.22 | rwhitby | MokoN00b: FSO is the image which has the least functionality, with the most emphasis on stability of that little functionality |
| 08:07.35 | MokoN00b | yeah |
| 08:07.38 | TAsn | rwhitby, is fso amazingly stable? |
| 08:07.43 | MokoN00b | debian seems to be pretty stable |
| 08:07.58 | TAsn | if so, what's the trouble comipling more stuff to it? |
| 08:07.59 | MokoN00b | on debian, it is |
| 08:08.09 | Infoport | ecraven I would *think* it does, but some of the orientation switching is flaky. I think the one through Gestures works better in general than switching via aux button |
| 08:08.11 | rwhitby | TAsn: there is no problem |
| 08:08.11 | MokoN00b | but you cant do much except make phone calls |
| 08:08.16 | MokoN00b | GPS works nicely though |
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| 08:08.26 | TAsn | rwhitby, so what keeps it from being the main image? |
| 08:08.26 | MokoN00b | although i havent managed to get maps for it |
| 08:08.28 | Zoup_ | where i can get development/testing images of om2008? |
| 08:08.32 | ecraven | Infoport: i tried it on debian, and all the buttons vanish ;) |
| 08:08.36 | ecraven | if i run xrandr -o 1 |
| 08:08.42 | MokoN00b | ask raster, he was just on |
| 08:08.42 | rwhitby | TAsn: there is no main image |
| 08:08.53 | MokoN00b | he made the best 2008 image ive seen |
| 08:08.54 | TAsn | what do you mean? |
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| 08:09.06 | beni_ | just tried to do: opkg install /home/root/libglib-2.0-0_2.16.4-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 08:09.06 | beni_ | Multiple packages (libglib-2.0-0 and libglib-2.0-0) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. |
| 08:09.09 | rwhitby | openmoko's stated strategy is to deliver an empty phone and allow you to opkg install the package set you want |
| 08:09.09 | beni_ | Upgrading libglib-2.0-0 on root from 2.16.1-r5 to 2.16.4-r0... |
| 08:09.11 | beni_ | Segmentation fault |
| 08:09.13 | Zorkman | ecraven: it works in landscape mode here, but indeed, teh buttons vannish |
| 08:09.17 | beni_ | Any ideas what i did wrong? (FSP of today) |
| 08:09.23 | MokoN00b | okay |
| 08:09.24 | MokoN00b | ttyl |
| 08:09.25 | MokoN00b | :) |
| 08:09.28 | ecraven | Zorkman: doesn't that kind of mean it doesn't work correctly? |
| 08:09.28 | rwhitby | so you can opkg install fso or om2008.8 or debian or whatever |
| 08:09.40 | rwhitby | or TAsn-package-set |
| 08:09.49 | TAsn | what i mean |
| 08:10.10 | TAsn | is there a way to get fso running *today* with a lot of software with just compiling stuff my own? |
| 08:10.20 | TAsn | and being as stable as claimed? |
| 08:10.26 | rwhitby | sure, all of OpenEmbedded runs on FSO |
| 08:10.42 | TAsn | cool enough |
| 08:10.48 | TAsn | so why don't everyone use fso? |
| 08:10.55 | Zorkman | ecraven: yes it doesn't work correctly |
| 08:10.58 | TAsn | and btw, is fso gtk or qt? |
| 08:11.09 | Zorkman | ecraven: I emailed Ken Young about this |
| 08:11.15 | rwhitby | TAsn: it's neither |
| 08:11.19 | rwhitby | and both |
| 08:11.22 | ecraven | Zorkman: is he the author? |
| 08:11.31 | TAsn | rwhitby, you can install which you prefer? |
| 08:11.34 | ecraven | it would be cool to have a way to use gps orientation for orienting orrery |
| 08:11.49 | rwhitby | TAsn: if you compile it up, yes. |
| 08:11.52 | Infoport | ecraven yeah the buttons disappeared for me now too (but I was switching with Aux too) Swapping orientation sometimes makes the screen think you are hitting a different spot, but it worked better for me with GEstures moving it. |
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| 08:12.16 | Infoport | ecraven, orrery already does that! |
| 08:12.21 | TAsn | rwhitby, cool enough |
| 08:12.24 | rwhitby | Infoport: he means direction |
| 08:12.26 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * r643fd8141662 10/illume/illume/ (a-25.png a-26.png a-27.png a-28.png a-29.png a-30.png): illume theme: Sync with upstream illume theme to get gsm operator changes. Add needed images. |
| 08:12.26 | rwhitby | not location |
| 08:12.27 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * r850c2a1c1987 10/sounds/ (notify_charging.wav notify_discharging.wav): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:artwork |
| 08:12.30 | TAsn | i will look into that when i get my phone |
| 08:12.32 | TAsn | thanks :) |
| 08:12.52 | Infoport | oh ok...I suggested that to KenYoung the other day, so he may add it in the future |
| 08:12.55 | ecraven | Infoport: oh, then maybe i have an older version. for me, it gets the position, but not the orientation |
| 08:12.58 | rwhitby | as far as I could tell, orrery uses GPS for location, but not direction (which would be hard) |
| 08:13.12 | Zorkman | looks like someone found a possible sollution for echo withtou modifying the handsetstate |
| 08:13.27 | rwhitby | it could only tell you the last direction you were facing when you were moving, and most people stay still while looking at the stars |
| 08:13.32 | ecraven | direction should work if you say "take the orientation over the next 2 seconds" and then step a few steps forward |
| 08:13.37 | Infoport | ecraven it would have to check while you moved a bit, but not just from jitter or it would swing around |
| 08:14.02 | rwhitby | yep, walk around in the dark just to get a direction. that will work ;-) |
| 08:14.38 | Infoport | ecraven he might add something like that...he seemed to think it could be a good (optional) feature |
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| 08:15.35 | rwhitby | it would get very annoying if jitter turned the screen around when you were standing still, so it's gonna be hard to do properly |
| 08:16.23 | ecraven | rwhitby: i'd suggest a button that only takes the readings from the next 2 seconds or so |
| 08:16.59 | Infoport | rwhitby yeah it would have to be something that you choose for a moment, and not *too* sensitive |
| 08:17.14 | Zorkman | ecraven: that is a good idea, though not a button on the main screen, but one in the config files |
| 08:17.23 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * r2e284479719a 10/illume/illume/freerunner.edc: illume theme: Now really commit changes to the theme file |
| 08:17.25 | Infoport | but hopefully enough that you dont have to walk but a few steps |
| 08:17.37 | Zorkman | ecraven: mail ken young about this, he really likes feedback/new ideas |
| 08:18.21 | Zorkman | but i don't know how accurate the accelerometers are (when you turn a few times around you axis and back, are they still calibrated good?) |
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| 08:19.59 | ecraven | what is uboot-envedit?? where do i get that? |
| 08:20.32 | RedFlash | hi, i just installe om 2008.8 ... is there any possibility to enable the "old" multitab keyboard ? |
| 08:21.46 | Zorkman | intel has bought OpenHand btw |
| 08:22.55 | Zorkman | they're going to work at the moblin platform :( |
| 08:23.14 | Zorkman | too bad intel doesn't make them work on armv4 lol :) |
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| 08:27.07 | tomcatek | hello |
| 08:27.36 | Zorkman | llo |
| 08:27.44 | Zorkman | (even the irc chan has an echo ;-)) |
| 08:27.59 | tomcatek | :] |
| 08:28.25 | Mononoke | lo |
| 08:29.02 | Mononoke | btw the way with calling on another phone and setting volumes in alsamixer does work ? |
| 08:29.31 | Zorkman | it worked for me a while ago, but i tested again yesterday and i had echo |
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| 08:29.53 | Zorkman | there is however an interesting mail on the ML about someone who might have fixed it WITHOUTH messing with handset.state |
| 08:29.56 | Mononoke | Zorkman: are you sure that your alsasettings didn't get reset ? :/ |
| 08:31.05 | Zorkman | Mononoke: I'm absolutely sure it got reset :) but I re-edited it |
| 08:31.13 | Zorkman | but there is a big chanse I made some mistakes |
| 08:31.28 | Zorkman | I really think playing with the handset.state file can get you rid of most of the echo |
| 08:32.06 | Mononoke | okay I'll have look but what worries me more is that wifi can't see a shit |
| 08:32.17 | Zorkman | Mononoke: use mofi? |
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| 08:32.30 | Mononoke | ? mofi ? |
| 08:32.40 | Zorkman | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/028495.html |
| 08:32.48 | Zorkman | a gui for connection to wifi |
| 08:33.02 | Zorkman | mofi works for me "out of the box", even with a WPA2 encrypted AP |
| 08:33.14 | Zorkman | (you just hbave to enter your password and you're set to go) |
| 08:33.31 | Mononoke | nice :/ but I somehow preffer the old way with iwstuff ;.; |
| 08:33.58 | Zorkman | btw: there are still bugs I think when you disconnect from an AP and want to reconnect to one |
| 08:34.40 | Mononoke | oh I just made 8 hours of uptime without crash -,- oh wait I was asleep |
| 08:34.51 | Zorkman | hehe |
| 08:35.39 | Mononoke | imho the aux menu should contain restart X option ... |
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| 08:37.03 | Zorkman | Mononoke: file a bug please |
| 08:37.23 | Zorkman | and choose "enhancement" as type |
| 08:37.30 | Zorkman | (I made a .desktop icon to restart x) |
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| 08:42.52 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rf72c1382bd10 10/data/images/ (5 files): add missing buttons |
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| 08:47.26 | beni_ | could anyoune please point me to the howto describing how to recompile .edj themes? i cant find it on the wiki |
| 08:47.32 | beni_ | but i am sure there is something |
| 08:47.57 | Zorkman | beni_: you first need to decompile them |
| 08:48.50 | Zorkman | beni_: there is a edje-utils package that contains edje_cc and edje_decc |
| 08:49.55 | beni_ | ahhh thanks |
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| 08:49.55 | Zorkman | np |
| 08:49.57 | beni_ | is there a way to install modified themes without overwriting the default ones? |
| 08:50.12 | beni_ | something like /home/root/.illume/mytheme |
| 08:50.13 | beni_ | ? |
| 08:51.09 | beni_ | argh: |
| 08:51.10 | beni_ | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libcurl4_7.18.2-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 08:51.13 | beni_ | Segmentation fault |
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| 08:53.21 | beni_ | hell, it looks like half of the packages are broken today. |
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| 08:54.00 | beni_ | is there something broken on my side? |
| 08:54.10 | beni_ | or do other ppl have similar issues? |
| 08:57.53 | ecraven | now, let's see how well ./install.sh all works ;) |
| 08:58.03 | Mononoke | hmm broken pycairo to use mofi i have to fix that :/ |
| 08:58.24 | ecraven | does cairo even work? i thought cairo had no 16bit backend? and our x is 16bit? |
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| 09:10.58 | tomcatek | wrr... i didn't kernel-module-g-ether kernel-module-cdc-ether |
| 09:11.14 | tomcatek | installed those modules :/ |
| 09:12.10 | tomcatek | anuone knows how to get GPRS up and running using freerunner terminal ? ;) |
| 09:12.36 | tomcatek | *any one |
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| 09:13.17 | ecraven | there was a guide on the wiki, i think |
| 09:13.52 | tomcatek | yes.. but in there i have to modify some files |
| 09:14.08 | tomcatek | and default keyboard have no escape character |
| 09:14.15 | ecraven | ah, ok.. then you're probably stuck :-/ |
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| 09:14.27 | tomcatek | (i just recived my FR :) ) |
| 09:14.53 | tomcatek | i have to wait and do it at home via wifi |
| 09:15.03 | tomcatek | i hope it will work.. |
| 09:15.23 | ecraven | if you use FSO, there's dbus support for GPRS i think |
| 09:15.41 | tomcatek | i have default system |
| 09:16.15 | tomcatek | it is OM007.something |
| 09:16.25 | tomcatek | i think et least |
| 09:16.37 | tomcatek | uname -a doesn't shows anything like that |
| 09:17.32 | RedFlash | hi, I use om2008 but i get alwy segmentation faults on executing gtk apps. anyone has the same error ? (used fix for this bug http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1718) |
| 09:17.53 | beni_ | RedFlash: i get segfaults on opkg install "something" |
| 09:17.53 | tomcatek | worst thing is, that it don't wants to charge battery now |
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| 09:19.02 | RedFlash | beni_: opkg install works for me ... (just tested with installing gpsd) |
| 09:20.11 | tomcatek | so i have very limited number of tries |
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| 09:22.27 | beni_ | Not every package fails. |
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| 09:24.47 | fale_ | is there a guide to compile qtopia? |
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| 09:30.09 | RedFlash | hmm ... i was able to install http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libcurl4_7.18.2-r0_armv4t.ipk |
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| 09:31.32 | beni_ | i reflash my FR now, maybe i borked it up. |
| 09:31.43 | beni_ | for FSO, what should be placed below /etc/opk? |
| 09:31.57 | beni_ | is it okay, if there are several files there? |
| 09:33.11 | xeros | hi |
| 09:33.18 | xeros | I really need help |
| 09:33.30 | xeros | I know it's been discussed before, but... |
| 09:33.45 | xeros | I have no sound in 2007.2 from daily-feeds |
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| 09:34.38 | tomcatek | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=kernel-module-g-ether <- which one is for FR? AFAIK i use OM2007, but i can't find any processor type matching one specified in wiki |
| 09:34.38 | xeros | I've go pulseaudio misc |
| 09:35.07 | xeros | I've done scripts for suspend - pactl suspend-sink 1 and 0 on resume |
| 09:35.32 | xeros | sorry - I've got no soound after resume |
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| 09:35.59 | xeros | I've tried to restart and start/stop pulseaudio |
| 09:36.36 | xeros | I've get *.state files from someone who's got sound working properly in 2007.2 |
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| 09:36.49 | XorA | guesses Gary McKinnon is going to have to find a country with no extradition treaty with US |
| 09:36.53 | xeros | nothing from these helps |
| 09:37.46 | xeros | dmesg doesn't say any problems before suspend and after resume |
| 09:38.16 | xeros | when I reboot - sound is fine to the time when I suspend |
| 09:38.43 | xeros | no matter if I use timing suspend in menu or I'll do 'apm -s' - the same effect |
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| 09:40.57 | xeros | does anyone have any clue for this problem? |
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| 09:43.28 | Zorkman | anybody know anything about http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/db7c42afe2a8d87f7bba0684b29ce252.png ? |
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| 09:44.08 | XorA | First rule of MokoFight |
| 09:44.16 | Zorkman | :D |
| 09:44.21 | Zorkman | lol XorA |
| 09:44.44 | Zorkman | do you know what is used to play flash files (like on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/60c038c3398dfbe5d812edf834c4c37e.png ?) |
| 09:44.50 | Zorkman | and if it works with a decent framerate? |
| 09:45.06 | XorA | swfdec? |
| 09:45.34 | alphaone | gnash? |
| 09:47.15 | Zorkman | but no ipk's available at the moment it seems |
| 09:47.29 | Zorkman | aha, thre is for gnash |
| 09:47.40 | xeros | om-gta02:~# opkg install swfdec gnash |
| 09:47.40 | xeros | Installing gnash (0.8.2-r1) to root... |
| 09:47.40 | xeros | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/gnash_0.8.2-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 09:47.40 | xeros | Installing libgnashbase (0.8.2-r1) to root... |
| 09:47.40 | xeros | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libgnashbase_0.8.2-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 09:47.41 | xeros | Installing libboost-thread-mt1.33.1 (1.33.1-r1) to root... |
| 09:47.43 | xeros | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libboost-thread-mt1.33.1_1.33.1-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 09:47.45 | xeros | Installing libboost-date-time1.33.1 (1.33.1-r1) to root... |
| 09:47.47 | xeros | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libboost-date-time1.33.1_1.33.1-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 09:47.49 | xeros | Installing libgnashserver (0.8.2-r1) to root... |
| 09:47.51 | xeros | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libgnashserver_0.8.2-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 09:47.53 | xeros | Installing libgnashamf (0.8.2-r1) to root... |
| 09:47.55 | xeros | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libgnashamf_0.8.2-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 09:47.57 | xeros | Installing gnash (0.8.2-r1) to root... |
| 09:47.59 | xeros | sorry for flood |
| 09:48.12 | Zorkman | np, I found it just before you pasted :) |
| 09:48.33 | Zorkman | hopefully it works "somewhat" |
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| 09:49.43 | beni_ | hm, same again. |
| 09:50.01 | beni_ | i get segfaults with opkg and FSO of today. |
| 09:51.38 | RedFlash | ok .. i am running ASU |
| 09:52.34 | XorA | http://failblog.org/2008/08/28/religion-fail/ |
| 09:52.35 | XorA | :-D |
| 09:52.57 | Zorkman | :) |
| 09:55.08 | malik1972 | some kernel gurus here? |
| 09:55.25 | Zorkman | damn gnash is running slow on the FR :) |
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| 09:55.43 | Zorkman | 0.25 fps or so :) |
| 09:55.55 | Zorkman | and it's the simplest flash I have ever made :) |
| 09:56.15 | malik1972 | XorA: could there be a relation between the gps software fix and the "loosing my sd card partition" bug? |
| 09:56.26 | beni_ | strangely enough, opkg install http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/agpsui_0.1_armv4t.ipk works, so it maybe is aproblem of the repository |
| 09:56.30 | beni_ | ? |
| 09:57.56 | ecraven | malik1972: the neo borked my partition table even with a kernel prior to the gps/sd fix |
| 09:58.15 | malik1972 | ecraven: thanx for that info |
| 09:58.40 | malik1972 | ecraven: do you have a solution to get back all of your data? |
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| 09:58.58 | ecraven | malik1972: save early, save often |
| 09:59.10 | ecraven | malik1972: not a big help, but the only thing i found that works |
| 09:59.14 | malik1972 | ecraven: the dd backup/restore does not restore my vfat partition (1st one) |
| 09:59.17 | ecraven | also, don't use resume/suspend |
| 09:59.36 | ecraven | malik1972: you can use dd on the entire device, not only one partition |
| 09:59.45 | ecraven | then you'll save everything |
| 09:59.54 | XorA | malik1972: this the one where partition table ends up blank? |
| 09:59.57 | malik1972 | ecraven: 8gb are too much |
| 10:00.15 | ecraven | malik1972: gzip it ;) |
| 10:00.29 | ecraven | but honestly, this bug *needs* to be fixed asap |
| 10:00.38 | malik1972 | XorA: i backuped the first 1024 bytes of the sd card |
| 10:01.11 | XorA | malik1972: I think the comment in the bug tracker may be accurate, there is not enough clocks to finish the last command before suspend happens |
| 10:01.14 | malik1972 | its driving me crazy |
| 10:01.25 | XorA | malik1972: but Im not an SD expert |
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| 10:02.02 | malik1972 | XorA: so one may use a workaround, before suspend/resume doing something on the sd? |
| 10:03.18 | ecraven | malik1972: you can try just creating a new partition table with the correct size for the fat partition, then it might just work |
| 10:03.26 | ecraven | don't format it though ;) |
| 10:03.50 | malik1972 | ecraven: tried this before, it does not work |
| 10:04.28 | malik1972 | ecraven: partitions 2,3 and 4 (all ext) are restored, the first one not, i have to use mkfs.vfat for that |
| 10:05.10 | ecraven | ok, then my best suggestion is dd | gzip |
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| 10:06.02 | malik1972 | ecraven: someone posted a dirty workaround for that problem on the ml, cant find it |
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| 10:10.20 | Rupert_ | I'd like to clear up /etc/opkg and would be very grateful if somebody could point me to the wiki page that I can't find. I know that if I get the wrong repositary I could potentially make a mess of my current image (Raster's). I have instructions from an email to say that I create a updates.conf file in this directory. There are already 6 files in this directory should I get rid of them? What do they do. |
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| 10:18.05 | xeros | ok, I've solved my problem with audio after resume with removing navit and speach-dispatcher as in last comment on bug #1599 |
| 10:18.31 | xeros | it's been speech-dispatcher issue |
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| 10:46.05 | Dave | xeros, hah! or so you think :D |
| 10:46.11 | Dave | ecraven! |
| 10:46.18 | Dave | come forth! |
| 10:47.38 | ecraven | ;) just installing debian (again) |
| 10:48.20 | Dave | reinstalling? What, you blew up the first install? :D |
| 10:50.29 | kvk | im tyring to play with my free-runner, i have copied song to media-card. how to play the song?? |
| 10:50.40 | ecraven | no, i'm trying the new and shiny debian :) |
| 10:50.50 | Dave | haah |
| 10:50.58 | Dave | for a minute I thought that said new and shitty debian |
| 10:51.01 | Dave | which would also be true :P |
| 10:51.29 | ecraven | nono ;) |
| 10:51.42 | ecraven | so far i like debian best of all the distros for the neo |
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| 10:51.56 | Dave | yeah yeah |
| 10:52.01 | Dave | no neod, so it must be your favorite :P |
| 10:52.07 | Dave | and no openmoko-today |
| 10:52.21 | Dave | maybe a hald (less shitty though) |
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| 10:55.22 | kvk | i have installed mplayer successfully in free-runner, but when im trying to play song it is giving error " while loading shared libraries: libXv.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ". anyone help me in solving this error?? |
| 10:55.47 | Dave | heehee |
| 10:55.54 | Dave | yeah :p |
| 10:56.16 | Dave | what format is the file in? :P |
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| 10:57.09 | Wonka | i had that problem yesterday... |
| 10:57.24 | Wonka | kvk: use mplayer from the celtune archive, that one works |
| 10:57.46 | Dave | right |
| 10:57.55 | Dave | http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/libxv1_1.0.3-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 10:58.00 | Wonka | kvk: that one also has dependencies on libxv and libmp3lame, and those packages there actually contain files |
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| 10:58.17 | Dave | you noticed that :P |
| 10:58.38 | Dave | http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/libmp3lame0_3.96.1-r4_armv4t.ipk |
| 10:58.49 | Wonka | yeah. thank you, openmoko, for providing current and working packages on your buildhost... O.o |
| 10:58.57 | Dave | YOU'RE WELCOME |
| 10:58.58 | Dave | ^_^ |
| 10:59.16 | Dave | thanks Xora appropriately |
| 10:59.56 | Dave | Behold, the power of Fish! |
| 11:00.04 | Dave | slaps Xora around with a musty old cod |
| 11:00.37 | Proton23 | What I did: download the makefile with wget, in makefile changed OM_GIT_BRANCH to org.openmoko.asu.stable, make setup, make setup-machine-freerunner and than make build-package-qt4-x11-free at result I got this http://pastebin.com/m25e30093 |
| 11:00.47 | Proton23 | What did I do wrong? |
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| 11:03.14 | rwhitby | Proton23: you didn't do anything wrong |
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| 11:03.51 | Proton23 | rwhitby: It's good to hear. :) |
| 11:03.52 | Dave | heh |
| 11:04.01 | Proton23 | But why did it fail? |
| 11:04.21 | Dave | they set you up the bomb? |
| 11:04.25 | rwhitby | install: cannot stat `/media/daten/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/bin/rcc4': No such file or directory |
| 11:04.52 | kvk | Wonka: i have installed libxv on the device, but i cant able to find the library in /usr/lib. |
| 11:04.54 | rwhitby | that seems to be why, unless there is another earlier error in /media/daten/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/qt4-x11-free-4.3.3-r10/temp/log.do_compile.1993 |
| 11:05.19 | rwhitby | Proton23: submit a bug report on openmoko |
| 11:05.20 | Wonka | kvk: where did opkg download the .ipk from? |
| 11:05.45 | ecraven | nice, nothing works now, unbootable ;-/ |
| 11:05.46 | Proton23 | rwhitby: How to do that? |
| 11:05.55 | Dave | Ecraven \o/ |
| 11:06.03 | Dave | So, maybe shitty, after all :P |
| 11:06.09 | Proton23 | I've never done it before |
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| 11:06.53 | kvk | Wonka: From http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ |
| 11:07.04 | cheesy | you have no chance to survive make your time |
| 11:07.57 | balzar | has the battery lifetime gotten better after the release of OM 2008 ?? |
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| 11:08.46 | Dave | not really |
| 11:09.05 | Dave | Mr. Batteryman hasn't been doing his job ... :p |
| 11:09.28 | Dave | His significant other took away his openmoko or something :P |
| 11:10.47 | balzar | Mrs. Battery ? |
| 11:11.38 | balzar | Mrs. Battery drains Mr. Batteryman |
| 11:11.56 | balzar | :-) |
| 11:11.56 | Dave | haha |
| 11:11.56 | Dave | huhu |
| 11:11.56 | Dave | :P |
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| 11:24.15 | admiral0 | hi everybody |
| 11:27.39 | Wonka | kvk: those are broken. install the ones from celtune |
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| 11:28.11 | Nobody96 | moin |
| 11:29.11 | kvk | Wonka: i will try now. |
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| 11:31.01 | kvk | Wonka: do you any material regarding AT commands in which % commands are there like (AT%CACM, AT% STDR.....) |
| 11:31.38 | Wonka | kvk: i have nothing about that at the moment |
| 11:31.51 | kvk | Wonka: ok |
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| 11:33.07 | white_gecko | hello |
| 11:34.12 | white_gecko | for rana and lint-wifi i get the following errors, when i try to start them: http://paste.debian.net/15914/ |
| 11:34.22 | white_gecko | something witch init and python |
| 11:34.31 | white_gecko | but, what is wrong? |
| 11:34.54 | white_gecko | when i start rana on my pc everything works |
| 11:38.43 | RedFlash | white_gecko: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1718 |
| 11:39.56 | vililikku | hello! What's the best os for neo 1973? |
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| 11:42.34 | white_gecko | RedFlash: thankyou, but my /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/_init_.py is empty |
| 11:43.19 | white_gecko | ah ok __init__.py |
| 11:43.39 | kvk | Wanko: i have tried what you have said but getting error like " Collected errors: * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures configured * " |
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| 11:44.34 | twyleg | hey, where do I have to put Icons for Mian Menu Shortcuts to access? |
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| 11:48.35 | RedFlash | whie_gecko: yeah ... its __init__.py ... normaly it should solve the problem ... unfortunatly for me, it didn't ... i now get seg faults |
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| 11:49.24 | white_gecko | oh for me it works |
| 11:50.01 | white_gecko | where are the mainscreen-icons stored |
| 11:50.20 | white_gecko | i want to add a programm-link to the mainscreen |
| 11:50.42 | white_gecko | is /usr/share/applications coreckt? |
| 11:51.03 | Zorkman | yes white_gecko |
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| 11:51.48 | twyleg | and where are the Icon files for these Shortcuts? |
| 11:52.06 | rwhitby | vililikku: I find fso to be the best for gta01 |
| 11:52.22 | rwhitby | (since it's the only recent one which has supported images and feeds) |
| 11:52.28 | rwhitby | (for the GTA01 that is) |
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| 11:56.20 | vililikku | rwhitby: okey, i'll try it |
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| 11:58.27 | RedFlash | NETDEV WATCHDOG usb0: transmit timed out <-- somebody knows what could be the problem ? |
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| 12:00.54 | Zorkman | btw: for those interested: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/mokofight/ |
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| 12:17.10 | dolf1074 | what's the best way to restart om2008.8? |
| 12:18.10 | Veggen | my reflexes say "shutdown -r now" :) |
| 12:18.21 | Veggen | it's Linux. |
| 12:18.35 | dolf1074 | and how do you go into the terminal |
| 12:18.56 | Veggen | hmm. there *is* probably a more official way. |
| 12:19.05 | Veggen | you'll need to install a terminal. |
| 12:19.24 | dolf1074 | but without internet you can't |
| 12:19.28 | nyu | dolf1074: shutdown button? |
| 12:19.44 | dolf1074 | and you need to restart om2008.8 after the first start |
| 12:19.49 | dolf1074 | so it's a circle |
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| 12:20.23 | harnir | anybody konows where's the configuration of default app buttons in the Today screen in 2007.2? |
| 12:20.48 | dolf1074 | if I push the shutdown button, my screen become black and if i push the shutdown again, om2008.8 is back |
| 12:20.57 | harnir | dolf1074: tried connecting through USB? |
| 12:22.29 | dolf1074 | yes, I couldn't connect |
| 12:23.20 | dolf1074 | and on the wiki stands: "Usb-networking will not work until rebooted after initial boot. " |
| 12:23.26 | dolf1074 | So therefor I want to reboot :p |
| 12:24.01 | Zorkman | dolf1074: "reboot" also works |
| 12:24.14 | dolf1074 | But what's the best way to reboot? |
| 12:24.14 | harnir | weird... I think it worked for me the first time... |
| 12:24.17 | Zorkman | dolf1074: or prezss and hold powerbutton |
| 12:24.19 | RedFlash | you have to push the shutdownbutton until is shows "shuttuing down" |
| 12:24.26 | Dave | roflzorkmen |
| 12:24.45 | dolf1074 | thanks, that works |
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| 12:27.23 | CM_work | Taking out the battery is a quick way to power off too.. ;) |
| 12:27.43 | RedFlash | lol |
| 12:28.28 | Dave | I'm tired of these motherfucking bugs, on my motherfucking freerunner! |
| 12:28.38 | Zorkman | :) |
| 12:29.12 | Zorkman | I'm still hoping mu interference will kill the bugs |
| 12:29.33 | Zorkman | or at least mutate them to something I can use to scare away old ladies |
| 12:30.29 | Dave | I need to find out how to interface with scap via PC |
| 12:30.48 | Dave | I have many screenshots, some of which I would like to throw up on scap for development purposes. |
| 12:31.43 | Zorkman | looked at gpe-scap? |
| 12:31.53 | Zorkman | *source of |
| 12:32.05 | Marcel_M | Dave: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/tickle.php and "secret" as password |
| 12:32.26 | Dave | oh, really? :p |
| 12:32.57 | Dave | heehee, cute :p |
| 12:33.03 | Dave | Who maintains scap anyway? |
| 12:33.06 | Dave | Who put it together? |
| 12:33.22 | Dave | The site has a distinct lack of information, which I somewhat appreciate :) |
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| 12:35.07 | Marcel_M | :) |
| 12:35.11 | b0ib0t | hey homies |
| 12:35.28 | Dave | nordmenn! |
| 12:36.42 | sicu | nordmenn =D |
| 12:36.57 | Dave | s'kjera? :] |
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| 12:37.49 | sicu | ikkje stort ^^ |
| 12:37.53 | Dave | :D |
| 12:38.14 | Dave | hvor i norge kommer du fra? :] |
| 12:38.38 | sicu | kommer fra grimstad, men bor i oslo |
| 12:38.40 | sicu | du da ? |
| 12:38.58 | Dave | ^^ |
| 12:39.07 | Dave | US :( |
| 12:41.02 | sicu | heh...most americans I've met don't even know where norway is, so I'm impressed you're down with the lingo ;p |
| 12:41.18 | Dave | ja ja :D |
| 12:41.27 | Dave | tusen takk ^^ |
| 12:42.09 | tomcatek | most of americans thinkls, that europe is one country :/ |
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| 12:42.16 | Dave | haha :D |
| 12:42.57 | sicu | Dave: er du født og oppvokst i usa? |
| 12:43.05 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 12:43.06 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 12:43.20 | Dave | ja |
| 12:43.23 | sicu | tomcatek: lol, yeh, I've met a few of them myself ;) |
| 12:43.29 | Dave | :o |
| 12:43.54 | sicu | apt: feeling left out? ;) |
| 12:44.00 | ieatlint | norway? isn't that near chile? |
| 12:44.11 | sicu | lol ... nice |
| 12:44.16 | ieatlint | :P |
| 12:44.30 | Dave | hahaha |
| 12:45.17 | sicu | in that case I think there might be something seriously wrong with my neo gps :p |
| 12:45.18 | ieatlint | loves that there's an Ãksfjord in norway |
| 12:45.24 | b0ib0t | i almost got a job in norway |
| 12:45.26 | Dave | :] |
| 12:45.36 | Dave | sicu XD |
| 12:45.44 | b0ib0t | Programmer for Funcom... they didnt hire me though, said i needed 6 more months experience |
| 12:45.51 | b0ib0t | i plan to apply again next year ^^ |
| 12:45.58 | Dave | er det full? |
| 12:46.06 | Dave | :P |
| 12:46.33 | sicu | heh, 6 more months, at least they were specific about it |
| 12:46.45 | Dave | :) |
| 12:47.14 | Dave | Time to backup my freerunners |
| 12:48.43 | sicu | plural ... my single one is giving me enough grief, no need for more :p |
| 12:48.57 | Dave | :D |
| 12:49.00 | Dave | Yeah |
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| 12:51.32 | RedFlash | hmm i cant connect to my freerunner anymore ... |
| 12:51.43 | Dave | Maybe it doesn't like you anymore. |
| 12:51.44 | ieatlint | you're not cool unless you have more than one freerunner |
| 12:51.48 | RedFlash | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.58 | Dave | Ieatlint, does that make me insanely cool, then? |
| 12:52.03 | Dave | Redflash, that again? -_- |
| 12:52.05 | ieatlint | oh if your pronounced name ends in a vowel |
| 12:52.13 | ieatlint | or |
| 12:52.40 | sicu | vowel ftw ^^ |
| 12:52.54 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 12:52.54 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 12:53.00 | Dave | apt: drit i det! |
| 12:53.04 | Dave | -_-; |
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| 12:53.26 | sicu | stop doing what ... ? :p |
| 12:53.38 | b0ib0t | my freerunners dont ship till next week =[ |
| 12:53.45 | b0ib0t | i'll have em by thrusday |
| 12:53.51 | Dave | apt: forepult? |
| 12:53.59 | Dave | apt: forpult |
| 12:54.04 | Dave | hehe |
| 12:54.05 | sicu | dave: lol] |
| 12:54.15 | Dave | apt: du er gærn! |
| 12:54.38 | Dave | stupid bot. |
| 12:55.33 | Dave | hahahahahaha |
| 12:55.38 | Dave | rsync via gprs |
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| 12:56.14 | Dave | t0h terve |
| 12:56.21 | harnir | My customized matchbox-keyboard: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 12:56.33 | sicu | hmmm, soon time to test firefox on my fr |
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| 12:57.28 | Dave | mitä kuuluu? |
| 12:57.43 | sicu | harnir: good job, making the norwegian one next? ;) |
| 12:58.40 | sicu | Dave: you know way to many languages |
| 12:58.52 | harnir | sicu: how many national letters do you have? if they'll fit in the top row, why not? :-) |
| 12:59.27 | sicu | we only have 3 ekstra =) :: æ ø å |
| 13:00.24 | harnir | nice, so the rest of the row can be used for some frequent shell chars: - ~ / | \ * ? |
| 13:00.44 | sicu | great =D |
| 13:00.50 | harnir | I'm planning to put them there in the English version |
| 13:01.08 | sicu | cool, I'd be interested in both =) |
| 13:01.08 | harnir | I'll release it in 2-3 days after some tweaking |
| 13:01.21 | Dave | sicu ^^ |
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| 13:02.06 | Dave | harnir, I hope that's a toggled keyboard layout, and not replacing the real keyboard (otherwise that'd be stupid) |
| 13:02.19 | Dave | sicu: RAKASTAN NORJALAISIA! |
| 13:02.31 | harnir | Dave: it's a matchbox keyboard layout |
| 13:02.45 | sicu | my FR is clean atm, just trying to decide which distros to put on it |
| 13:02.46 | Dave | harnir, but how do you bring it up? |
| 13:03.03 | Dave | I hear the debian distro is becoming decent. |
| 13:03.06 | harnir | Dave: button on the tray on top |
| 13:03.16 | harnir | Dave: I'm using 2007.2 |
| 13:03.24 | Dave | harnir, how do you type in regular letters? |
| 13:03.40 | harnir | Dave: third screenshot on the page |
| 13:03.45 | Dave | ... |
| 13:04.02 | Dave | looks annoying |
| 13:04.12 | Dave | but thanks anyway :P |
| 13:04.24 | Dave | are you one of those polish freaks? |
| 13:04.34 | harnir | you could say that ;-) |
| 13:04.50 | harnir | Dave: what's annoying about it? |
| 13:04.51 | Dave | heh, seems like |
| 13:05.11 | Dave | well for one thing, [the default layout] it's useful primarily for only polish speaking people |
| 13:05.15 | sicu | hehe, aren't we all freaks |
| 13:05.19 | Dave | no one else really uses those letteres |
| 13:05.48 | harnir | Dave: you mean top row? I'll put some useful extra chars like / | - * ? there in the English version |
| 13:05.54 | harnir | so you can use shell more easily |
| 13:06.02 | Dave | Oh, there's an English version? |
| 13:06.04 | Dave | :) |
| 13:06.08 | harnir | Dave: there will be |
| 13:06.10 | Dave | You didn't say that! |
| 13:06.11 | Dave | :D |
| 13:06.19 | Dave | I don't mind so much then :P |
| 13:06.23 | harnir | besides, you can write in English on this one as well |
| 13:06.28 | sicu | dave: but you will have to use the polish version :p |
| 13:06.34 | Dave | Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 13:06.36 | Dave | :[ |
| 13:08.06 | harnir | I've added another screenshot |
| 13:08.09 | Dave | oh great |
| 13:08.15 | Dave | people spamming the fuck out of scap lately -_- |
| 13:08.25 | Zorkman | harnir are you part of http://openmoko.opendevice.org/ ? |
| 13:08.25 | harnir | it's switched layout for entering numbers (also hex numbers), MAC addresses, and such. |
| 13:08.32 | Dave | I think I'm going to make my own scap. |
| 13:08.33 | harnir | Zorkman: not really |
| 13:08.42 | Dave | not really? |
| 13:08.51 | Zorkman | only in "cyber space"? |
| 13:09.15 | harnir | No, I just bought FR 'cause I needed some Linux device to play with |
| 13:09.31 | harnir | and I'm a Linux user myself, sysadmin primarly |
| 13:09.36 | *** join/#openmoko sylar91 (n=sylar@83.225.99.33) |
| 13:09.43 | sylar91 | hi |
| 13:09.58 | sylar91 | I need help, somebody could help me please? |
| 13:10.18 | sicu | dave: [2008-08-29 15:02:19] <Dave> sicu: RAKASTAN NORJALAISIA! |
| 13:10.24 | sicu | dave:what was that ? |
| 13:10.24 | Zorkman | we don't know, we don't know what your problem is :) |
| 13:10.36 | harnir | Please state the nature of the emergency. |
| 13:10.47 | sylar91 | I can't connect my new neo fr to internet with usb trought my pc |
| 13:11.06 | harnir | sylar91: your os? |
| 13:11.09 | sylar91 | I followed the guide some minutes ago, but It can't connect |
| 13:11.14 | sylar91 | 2008.08 update |
| 13:11.20 | harnir | sylar91: your other os? |
| 13:11.21 | Zorkman | sylar91: did you change your /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 13:11.26 | sylar91 | ubuntu |
| 13:11.35 | harnir | sylar91: can you ping freerunner? |
| 13:11.48 | sylar91 | from the pc? |
| 13:11.57 | harnir | yes |
| 13:12.02 | sylar91 | yes, I'm connect with ssh |
| 13:12.08 | sylar91 | only internet doesn't work |
| 13:12.12 | rwhitby | sylar91: please tell us the output of "cat /etc/resolv.conf" on the freerunner |
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| 13:12.20 | sylar91 | ok |
| 13:12.32 | Dave | sicu :P |
| 13:12.42 | Dave | ask a fin :P |
| 13:12.45 | sylar91 | root@om-gta02:~# cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:12.45 | sylar91 | root@om-gta02:~# |
| 13:12.50 | sylar91 | no output... |
| 13:12.52 | rwhitby | sylar91: that's your problem |
| 13:13.10 | sylar91 | but I tried to ping a google ip |
| 13:13.11 | sicu | yeh, you need to add the nameservers |
| 13:13.15 | Zorkman | sylar91: it is documented on the wiki you have to change it |
| 13:13.18 | sylar91 | (no resolv problem) and it didn't ping... |
| 13:13.37 | rwhitby | sylar91: it may not be your only problem of course ... |
| 13:13.40 | Zorkman | sylar91: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Configure_Default_Neo_DNS |
| 13:14.20 | harnir | btw, why " |
| 13:14.40 | harnir | why "Polish freaks", if I can ask? they made trouble or what? |
| 13:14.50 | sylar91 | ok done root@om-gta02:~# cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:14.50 | sylar91 | nameserver 208.67.200.200 |
| 13:14.50 | sylar91 | nameserver 208.67.220.220 |
| 13:14.50 | sylar91 | root@om-gta02:~# |
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| 13:14.59 | Zorkman | harnir: dave doesn't like them spamming scap.linuxtogo :) |
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| 13:15.19 | Zorkman | harnir: but I like the unknown dudes :) |
| 13:15.21 | sylar91 | it doesn't run... |
| 13:15.42 | harnir | it's Dave's scap.linuxtogo? |
| 13:15.43 | Dave | well that's what it's there for, but if you saw a graph of posts and time, it's rapidly becoming exponential |
| 13:15.46 | harnir | he can clean it up |
| 13:15.52 | Dave | No, it's not mine. |
| 13:16.07 | sylar91 | sorry, somebody could help me? I can't connect again... |
| 13:16.16 | sylar91 | I setted a minute ago the dns |
| 13:16.23 | harnir | Dave: honestly, I used it just now for the first time to show my keyboard. |
| 13:16.31 | Dave | :D |
| 13:16.34 | Dave | cool |
| 13:16.36 | sicu | sylar91: did you restart the K40..something? |
| 13:16.41 | harnir | sylar91: ping the dns address |
| 13:16.43 | rwhitby | sylar91: "I can't connect again" - you need to be a bit more precise about the problem, |
| 13:16.52 | rwhitby | sicu: should not be needed |
| 13:16.56 | sylar91 | ok, I can't ping anything |
| 13:17.03 | sylar91 | it seems an ubuntu problem... |
| 13:17.13 | harnir | sylar91: set up forwarding & masquerade on ubuntu? |
| 13:17.15 | rwhitby | can you ping the host? |
| 13:17.18 | harnir | I have scripts |
| 13:17.18 | rwhitby | (from the neo) |
| 13:17.20 | harnir | moment |
| 13:17.28 | sylar91 | ping 192.168.0.200? |
| 13:17.32 | rwhitby | yep |
| 13:17.39 | sylar91 | yes |
| 13:17.45 | sylar91 | I can ping the host |
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| 13:17.55 | Dave | Oh no, it's rwhitby |
| 13:17.56 | rwhitby | ok, so it's a routing problem on the host, now that you've got DNS on the neo fixed. |
| 13:18.08 | sylar91 | what I had to do |
| 13:18.08 | sylar91 | ? |
| 13:18.10 | harnir | sylar91: run this on ubuntu: http://nopaste.org/p/a6wWhtsmQ |
| 13:18.57 | rwhitby | sylar91: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others - the wiki page tells you what to do for Ubuntu - did you read and implement that? |
| 13:19.03 | sylar91 | done |
| 13:19.14 | sylar91 | yes I done it |
| 13:19.45 | sylar91 | now it runs |
| 13:19.46 | sylar91 | :D |
| 13:19.52 | rwhitby | sylar91: and did you reboot afterwards, or ifdown/ifup usb0 from a terminal on the neo (not via ssh) |
| 13:20.00 | rwhitby | (not via ssh over usb that is) |
| 13:20.12 | sylar91 | now it runs |
| 13:20.14 | sylar91 | thanks |
| 13:20.16 | sylar91 | a lot |
| 13:20.38 | rwhitby | sylar91: so what do you need to change on the wiki page to make sure it runs first time for the next person? |
| 13:20.59 | sylar91 | to reboot the networking service on ubuntu... |
| 13:21.21 | rwhitby | looks for the wiki update ... ;-) |
| 13:21.30 | Dave | /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 13:21.36 | sylar91 | yes... |
| 13:21.49 | Dave | or ifupdown ? |
| 13:21.55 | harnir | I guess I will have to make that account at some point... |
| 13:22.02 | Dave | account? |
| 13:22.27 | b0ib0t | Question |
| 13:22.28 | sylar91 | bye and thx again |
| 13:22.31 | *** part/#openmoko sylar91 (n=sylar@83.225.99.33) |
| 13:22.34 | b0ib0t | is the freerunner physically sturdy? |
| 13:22.51 | b0ib0t | i read somewhere it is manufactured to last only 2 years and this makes me worry |
| 13:23.20 | harnir | Dave: on the wiki |
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| 13:23.51 | harnir | b0ib0t: well, I could break it with my bare hands if I would ever want to. |
| 13:24.21 | harnir | besides, it depends on how you handle it. |
| 13:24.22 | rwhitby | b0ib0t: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Robustness |
| 13:24.24 | sicu | b0ib0t: in 2 years wouldnt its new home be the museum...? |
| 13:25.08 | rwhitby | just don't apply 12V to the usb power lines ... |
| 13:26.26 | rwhitby | sicu: that would be true for closed source phones |
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| 13:26.32 | edistar | where do I set the timezone in qtopia? |
| 13:26.55 | rwhitby | I expect Neo's to be used for a long time in strange applications, due to the software being open and schematics being available. |
| 13:26.59 | edistar | got it.. |
| 13:27.06 | sicu | rwhitby: your test fall of 1.3m ont the pavement, was this an intended test scenario? :p |
| 13:27.14 | rwhitby | sicu: no |
| 13:27.44 | rwhitby | neither was the 12V |
| 13:28.08 | sicu | haha, thought the 12V was a joke |
| 13:28.20 | rwhitby | nope, it killed two GTA01's |
| 13:28.27 | sicu | ouch |
| 13:28.53 | harnir | anybody knows where I can change the quick apps on the Today page in 2007.2? |
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| 13:30.09 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 13:30.09 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 13:30.23 | Dave | apt: hold kjeft! |
| 13:30.24 | apt | ACTION Embraces kjeft! in a giant bear hug. Then gets bored and uses kjeft! as a chew toy. |
| 13:30.25 | harnir | ~_~ |
| 13:30.25 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 13:30.30 | Dave | hahaha |
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| 13:30.34 | harnir | :-) |
| 13:31.02 | sicu | hehe |
| 13:31.18 | Wonka | ~_~ |
| 13:31.18 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 13:31.24 | Zorkman | apt: commands |
| 13:31.35 | Wonka | apt: hold it |
| 13:31.35 | apt | ACTION Embraces it in a giant bear hug. Then gets bored and uses it as a chew toy. |
| 13:31.37 | Zorkman | apt: help |
| 13:32.11 | harnir | do you have an idea about better solution for remote controlling FR than x11vnc? it's horribly slow throught USB connection, WiFi will be better? |
| 13:32.30 | edistar | harnir: no, wouldn't be better |
| 13:32.37 | Zorkman | my wifi seems fucked up... only get 90kB/sec |
| 13:32.42 | Zorkman | usb a little bit more... |
| 13:32.51 | Zorkman | lag on wifi is also sometimes very high |
| 13:32.58 | harnir | zedstar: better 90kB than 0kB ;-) |
| 13:33.07 | Dave | edistar! |
| 13:33.15 | edistar | Dave: yes! |
| 13:33.23 | harnir | s/zedstar/Zorkman/ |
| 13:33.44 | harnir | apt: nice app. Fetch! |
| 13:33.45 | apt | ACTION lowers app. Fetch!'s priority |
| 13:33.49 | Dave | woot :p |
| 13:33.52 | Dave | heehee |
| 13:33.55 | Zorkman | yesterday i was raster, "now only" edistar, my programming skills are deteriorating :) |
| 13:34.03 | Dave | :D |
| 13:34.08 | Dave | not to mention your eyesight :p |
| 13:34.11 | Zorkman | :D |
| 13:34.18 | Dave | maybe that was mean :P |
| 13:34.20 | Dave | oh well :D |
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| 13:34.22 | Zorkman | apt: lobotimy Dave |
| 13:34.27 | Zorkman | apt: lobotomy Dave |
| 13:34.27 | apt | ACTION pulls out a rusty saw to perform a lobotomy on Dave |
| 13:34.28 | Dave | lobotomize? |
| 13:34.32 | Dave | oh gee, thanks |
| 13:34.32 | edistar | Zorkman: hrm hrm ;) |
| 13:34.37 | Zorkman | :-) |
| 13:34.46 | Dave | woot |
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| 13:35.44 | Dave | waffles |
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| 13:36.53 | zedstar | wakes up then goes back to sleep |
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| 13:37.17 | b0ib0t | do Om2007.2 apps run on Om2008.2? |
| 13:37.29 | sicu | straight from a lobotomy to pancakes |
| 13:37.32 | Zorkman | yes, they run on Om2008.8 |
| 13:37.38 | sicu | *waffles even :p |
| 13:37.39 | b0ib0t | koo |
| 13:38.40 | Dave | Man, people can be so slow. |
| 13:38.55 | Dave | Yes, go back to sleep, zedstar :) |
| 13:39.00 | Dave | sicu :P |
| 13:39.08 | sicu | :p |
| 13:39.41 | Dave | hva gjør du? |
| 13:39.48 | Dave | runker? :P |
| 13:39.50 | sicu | er treig :p |
| 13:40.01 | sicu | haha, spot on |
| 13:40.02 | Dave | :D |
| 13:40.24 | Dave | bare hyggeli :p |
| 13:40.44 | sicu | apt: STOP DOING THAT |
| 13:40.45 | apt | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops DOING THAT |
| 13:40.52 | Dave | haha |
| 13:41.12 | Zorkman | apt: news |
| 13:41.24 | Dave | apt: jævla hæstkuk! |
| 13:41.35 | sicu | haha |
| 13:41.40 | Dave | :D |
| 13:42.07 | Zorkman | apt: upsidedown I'm an Australian |
| 13:42.15 | Dave | -_- |
| 13:42.22 | edistar | Dave: blimey, only got the eyesight joke just now.. |
| 13:42.53 | Dave | :p |
| 13:43.29 | Dave | hardly :P |
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| 13:43.39 | Dave | lollerbelgie |
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| 13:45.41 | Dave | Zorkman, they must think it's some sort of game - like, how many useless screenshots can we post to scap in an hour!? |
| 13:46.19 | sicu | joins the scap game ^^ |
| 13:46.20 | Zorkman | well.. they are winning :) |
| 13:46.34 | harnir | any chance for a better shell than /bin/sh? I tried to install bash, run it and it's still /bin/sh.. |
| 13:46.36 | Dave | -_- |
| 13:46.40 | Dave | uggh |
| 13:46.40 | harnir | I want my zsh... |
| 13:46.43 | Dave | harnir, use bash? |
| 13:46.52 | Dave | harnir: type: bash |
| 13:46.59 | harnir | Dave: I've run 'bash' and it's still the same |
| 13:47.04 | Dave | no it's not? |
| 13:47.06 | tomcatek | or modify /etc/passwd |
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| 13:47.09 | matholio_ | can anyone help me get mdbus to work on debian-fso ? |
| 13:47.23 | Dave | tomcatek: hold on, I'm not berating him, yet! |
| 13:47.25 | Dave | ;) |
| 13:47.29 | zedstar | licks Dave |
| 13:47.30 | tomcatek | hehe |
| 13:47.32 | Dave | ;D |
| 13:47.35 | tomcatek | yet :) |
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| 13:48.12 | Dave | Mmm... speaking of waffles... |
| 13:48.18 | Dave | I think I am going to go make some :D~ |
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| 13:48.23 | sicu | anyone ported gentoo to their FR yet? |
| 13:48.26 | Dave | Anyone else want some? |
| 13:48.42 | tomcatek | would like one |
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| 13:48.54 | Dave | :) |
| 13:48.58 | Marcel_M | harnir: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/zsh_4.1.1-r2_armv4t.ipk |
| 13:49.16 | Dave | heh |
| 13:49.20 | Dave | what's next, mashey? :D |
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| 13:49.25 | Dave | muwahahahaha |
| 13:49.26 | edistar | sicu: no point? |
| 13:49.32 | harnir | where's aptitude when you need it? |
| 13:49.39 | Dave | yeah |
| 13:49.42 | Dave | optitude? :D |
| 13:49.55 | tomcatek | hehe |
| 13:49.59 | Zorkman | apt: itude |
| 13:50.03 | harnir | besides - can anyone make a clear list of repositories, ie. what repository for what distribution? Or do I have to do it? |
| 13:50.08 | Dave | haha it'd no doubt me more like attitude |
| 13:50.14 | Dave | attitude infuriate user |
| 13:50.31 | Zorkman | as long as it isn't the faulty altitude of FR gps... |
| 13:50.38 | Dave | attitude --force install agony |
| 13:50.44 | Dave | Zorkman, haha, weak. |
| 13:51.05 | Tanuva | hmm... mpd on the neo has heavy problems with 48khz-audio. 44.1khz works fine... |
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| 13:51.39 | harnir | Marcel_M: zsh 4.1.1? any chance for an update? |
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| 13:52.15 | harnir | can I somehow use/convert .debs from ARM port of Debian and install it in OpenMoko? |
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| 13:53.26 | Dave | harnir, YES |
| 13:53.27 | Marcel_M | harnir: sorry i got just this one |
| 13:53.48 | Dave | but it can be painful, just because of the horrid opkg inflexibility in package naming scheme |
| 13:53.51 | Dave | etc etc |
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| 13:54.02 | Dave | Tanuva, it IS heavy, I'm glad you noticed that ;) |
| 13:54.33 | harnir | Dave: yeah, I noticed that... I'm fond of the dpkg and Debian package management... |
| 13:55.10 | Dave | hell yeah! |
| 13:55.16 | Dave | opkg is kind of a weak ripoff :P |
| 13:55.18 | Dave | if you haven't notice already |
| 13:55.50 | dolf1074 | Hey, does anybody knows about om2008.8 and wpa? I tried the wpa_supplicant.conf method described on 'Neo FreeRunner Wifi' wikipage. Is it normal I get: run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with return code 1 |
| 13:56.10 | Dave | wifi works on 2008.8? |
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| 13:57.10 | Zorkman | dolf1074: install mofi |
| 13:57.26 | Zorkman | then you don't have to mess with wpa_supp (at least i didn't have to do it) |
| 13:57.44 | Zorkman | mofi also gives an error with return code 1 but it works :) |
| 13:58.04 | Dave | haha, sounds like opk |
| 13:58.05 | Dave | :p |
| 13:58.06 | Dave | opkg |
| 13:58.19 | si-m1 | it worked for me too (mofi) but only once per boot |
| 13:58.26 | Zorkman | jup |
| 13:58.47 | sicu | that's more than anyone would need :p |
| 13:59.16 | si-m1 | it could detect new wifi hotspots after but it was just freezing when trying to connect |
| 13:59.27 | Zorkman | i read something on the ML about our guys contacting the wifi chip makers about it |
| 13:59.32 | Zorkman | and they proposed a method |
| 13:59.43 | Zorkman | but it would involve moving wifi to a module and not in the kernel |
| 13:59.54 | si-m1 | ok |
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| 14:00.34 | Dave | What's the problem? |
| 14:00.47 | Dave | Other than the freerunner isn't ready for 2008 yet. :P |
| 14:01.11 | Zorkman | :D :D :D |
| 14:01.12 | Zorkman | lol |
| 14:01.17 | sicu | damn waffles, I'm hungry now ... cya later folks! |
| 14:01.18 | Zorkman | who said that again? |
| 14:01.20 | Zorkman | jadams? |
| 14:01.21 | Dave | :D |
| 14:01.26 | Dave | sends sicu SIGFOOD |
| 14:01.32 | Dave | zorkman, yep |
| 14:01.38 | Zorkman | btw: has anyone read this page: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/028469.html ?? |
| 14:01.41 | Dave | such a cute noob |
| 14:01.41 | Zorkman | damn hillarious |
| 14:02.09 | Zorkman | michele renda's reply was funny too |
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| 14:03.19 | Dave | :D |
| 14:03.50 | Zorkman | information about the WLAN stuff: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-August/001586.html |
| 14:03.51 | Mononoke | nods "coffee machine is mission critical" |
| 14:04.00 | Zorkman | :) |
| 14:04.44 | Mononoke | btw I thought I won't loose this one but I lost pen from openmoko :/ is there way to buy minimaly 10 pieces so It will take longer till I'll loose them all ? |
| 14:04.52 | harnir | Thermometer? LOL. Aren't they available via USB? |
| 14:04.52 | Dave | I'd rather just buy a woman, instead. |
| 14:04.57 | ecraven | why is everything run as root under debianOnFreeRunner?? |
| 14:05.12 | Dave | ecraven, haha |
| 14:05.14 | Dave | assy |
| 14:05.23 | Zorkman | AND a barameter of course |
| 14:05.27 | Dave | ecraven, must be because everyone is doing it, right? ;) |
| 14:05.29 | Dave | barometer? |
| 14:05.33 | Dave | zorkometer? |
| 14:05.36 | Zorkman | suppose you find yourself stuck in a weatherballoon... you have to do something don't you? |
| 14:06.01 | Dave | :o |
| 14:06.05 | Dave | oh rofl |
| 14:06.13 | ecraven | Dave: yes, always a good reason "everybody does it that way, so let's ignore that it's the *wrong* way" |
| 14:06.17 | Dave | I should send you that story, zorkman (though I believe it was before internet was around) |
| 14:06.18 | Mononoke | he forgot geiget's computer |
| 14:06.22 | Dave | you'd laugh your fucking ass off |
| 14:06.27 | Zorkman | which story? |
| 14:06.28 | Mononoke | nuclear war is still behind doors >.> |
| 14:06.30 | Dave | ecraven, exactly! |
| 14:06.40 | ecraven | i'll just go back to my own debian :-P |
| 14:06.44 | Dave | zorkman, about an american guy who tied weather balloons to his lawn chair |
| 14:06.51 | Dave | and ended up going into the sky |
| 14:06.54 | Dave | and got trapped |
| 14:06.55 | paroneayea | alright, so I've discovered that my 1973's audio works great in the FSO nightly I downloaded.. but doesn't work at all in debian... anyone have any idea on how to get started with fixing that/troubleshooting? Running alsaconf didn't help |
| 14:07.02 | Zorkman | :):) hoax? |
| 14:07.24 | Dave | and it wasn't until a commercial aircraft flew by and radioed into his control tower that he saw what appeared to be a 'guy' in a lawnchair, next to him |
| 14:07.28 | Zorkman | lawn chair larry |
| 14:07.37 | Dave | that I believe the coast guard was sent out to rescue him and get him down |
| 14:07.38 | Dave | :P |
| 14:07.40 | Dave | quite amusing |
| 14:07.42 | Dave | but yeah, totally stupid |
| 14:07.49 | Dave | he said he miscalculated |
| 14:07.51 | Zorkman | he got a darwin award |
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| 14:08.10 | Dave | huh? |
| 14:08.18 | Zorkman | ah no, thats impossible because he survived |
| 14:08.22 | Zorkman | don't you know darwin awards? |
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| 14:08.28 | Dave | kill yourself? |
| 14:08.28 | Zorkman | http://www.darwinawards.com |
| 14:08.30 | Dave | but he didn't die |
| 14:08.35 | paroneayea | you have to die in order to get a darwin award |
| 14:08.41 | Dave | hence it being pointless |
| 14:08.41 | Zorkman | yeah, you have to kill yourself in a VERY stupid way to get a darwin award |
| 14:08.45 | Mononoke | Zorkman: you can get darwin award without dieing |
| 14:08.50 | paroneayea | you aren't helping evolution unless you die or at least become sterile |
| 14:08.55 | Zorkman | yeah I know, I just read he survived |
| 14:09.00 | Dave | :) |
| 14:09.08 | Dave | oh, did you find the article? :o |
| 14:09.19 | Zorkman | yeah |
| 14:09.26 | Dave | :D |
| 14:09.26 | Zorkman | "lawn chair larry" |
| 14:09.28 | Dave | :) |
| 14:09.44 | Dave | aren't americans stupid, or what? :D |
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| 14:10.03 | Dave | or awesome... |
| 14:10.08 | Dave | I still haven't figured that one out yet. |
| 14:10.23 | Zorkman | without me it's just aweso :) |
| 14:10.37 | Zorkman | (stupid joke i know, but i like it :)) |
| 14:10.44 | Dave | :P |
| 14:11.06 | Dave | go scap yourself :P |
| 14:11.36 | Zorkman | As he was led away in handcuffs, a reporter dispatched to cover the daring rescue asked him why he had done it. Larry replied nonchalantly, "A man can't just sit around." |
| 14:11.50 | RedFlash | lol |
| 14:12.08 | Zorkman | I'm indeed laughing my ass off, thanks Dave! |
| 14:13.13 | sicu | Mononoke: you lost your stylus? |
| 14:13.43 | Mononoke | sicu: yep |
| 14:14.35 | sicu | same here, within the first 3 days of receiving the phone :s |
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| 14:14.55 | Mononoke | I lost it within 24hours =] |
| 14:14.58 | sicu | Mononoke: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.849 |
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| 14:19.48 | Dave | Zorkman :D |
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| 14:21.54 | billk | Does anyone know of a cisco vpn for the freerunner? - cant find one so far :( |
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| 14:23.59 | cekay | billk, vpnc? |
| 14:24.13 | cekay | dunno if there are any precompiled packages tho |
| 14:24.17 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke * r98f7ffce6f8a 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/vendor_ficgta01.cpp: [ticalypso] Enable noise reduction (command from our mailinglist) |
| 14:24.31 | billk | vpnc Wont do tcp encap |
| 14:27.36 | dolf1074 | Sorry about my late response, some visitors. I installed mofi, but can't start it because it gives 'application execution error' and in the errorlog stands: An exit code of 1 was returned from mofi. |
| 14:28.47 | RedFlash | dolf1074: maybe this helps: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1718 |
| 14:29.30 | dolf1074 | thanks |
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| 14:32.13 | RedFlash | hmm .. am I the only one getting se faults wih mofi ? |
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| 14:33.37 | dolf1074 | I don't get any, but mofi is stopped working |
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| 14:33.52 | dolf1074 | after I pushed the save button |
| 14:34.23 | tomboy64 | uhm |
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| 14:34.37 | tomboy64 | is there a pre-compiled binary for dfu-util on amd64 somewhere? |
| 14:35.01 | tomboy64 | when compiling from svn i get seggies instead of a flashed om :-S |
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| 14:42.17 | edistar | tomboy64: what distro? |
| 14:42.40 | tomboy64 | edistar: gentoo |
| 14:42.51 | edistar | tomboy64: try to get dfu-util from portage |
| 14:43.03 | tomboy64 | edistar: dfu-util is not in portage |
| 14:43.08 | edistar | oh |
| 14:43.09 | edistar | okey |
| 14:43.13 | tomboy64 | i installeda custom ebuild |
| 14:44.28 | edistar | sry, can't help you.. it's in the debian repos ;) |
| 14:44.33 | edistar | try an older svn rev |
| 14:44.33 | tomboy64 | yeah |
| 14:44.44 | tomboy64 | i just downloaded and extractet a .deb |
| 14:44.50 | tomboy64 | let's try |
| 14:44.51 | zash | lol wut? intel buys ohand? |
| 14:44.56 | edistar | zash: yeah |
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| 14:45.46 | edistar | I need someone from .uk to give me some advice about phone contracts.. any volunteers? |
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| 14:46.35 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb86625c02cb7 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get a version that sends the noise reduction command |
| 14:46.45 | tomboy64 | edistar: still segfaults |
| 14:46.51 | tomboy64 | is this line correct? /usr/local/bin/dfu-util --intf_nr=2 -a rootfs -R -D Om2008.8-gta02-20080828.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 14:47.08 | edistar | what is the --intf_nr=2 for? |
| 14:47.13 | edistar | otherwise yes |
| 14:47.24 | tomboy64 | i have another usb-device attached |
| 14:47.36 | tomboy64 | so intf_nr=2 is supposed to select my fr |
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| 14:48.53 | edistar | ah, okey |
| 14:49.01 | edistar | I thought that was done differently.. |
| 14:49.11 | tomboy64 | edistar: tell tell |
| 14:49.34 | edistar | example from man page: dfu-util --device 0x1457:0x5119 |
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| 14:50.53 | edistar | tomboy64: try and get the info with dfu-util -l |
| 14:53.06 | tomboy64 | ahhhh |
| 14:53.09 | tomboy64 | now it runs |
| 14:53.11 | tomboy64 | thanky :) |
| 14:53.16 | edistar | :) |
| 14:54.15 | Torikun | When can we use browser with wifi ? |
| 14:54.38 | edistar | Torikun: now? |
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| 14:54.53 | edistar | depends on what level of comfort you are used to |
| 14:54.54 | Torikun | Was it a recent update |
| 14:54.55 | Torikun | lol |
| 14:55.02 | Torikun | I can connect but browser does not load |
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| 14:55.32 | edistar | Torikun: nameserver problem? |
| 14:55.48 | Torikun | I editing rc.conf |
| 14:55.51 | Torikun | and stilld oes not work |
| 14:55.54 | Torikun | only usb |
| 14:56.47 | edistar | does a ping google.com work? |
| 14:56.54 | Torikun | nope |
| 14:58.19 | edistar | ping 80.61.221.9? |
| 14:58.43 | Torikun | no wifi at work to test it |
| 14:59.00 | edistar | ok |
| 14:59.15 | edistar | either you didn't get an ip from your AP.. or nameserver doesn't work |
| 14:59.35 | Torikun | I get ip |
| 14:59.45 | ShellEvil | Can you ping the AP? |
| 14:59.51 | Torikun | wait I remember ping working |
| 14:59.54 | Torikun | and opkg was working |
| 15:00.01 | Torikun | browser and pidgin did not |
| 15:01.06 | edistar | opkg downloads from http:// doesn't it? |
| 15:01.15 | edistar | so everything else should work too.. |
| 15:01.15 | Torikun | I think so |
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| 15:11.29 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rbb6756bd737e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: ompower - try race cond workaround. |
| 15:11.30 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r16b206b78bec 10/ (97 files in 5 dirs): move all of e17/efl to svn from cvs. |
| 15:11.30 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r51220f203674 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: cleanups to ompower. |
| 15:11.31 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r70424588006d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get the SMS and phonebook on reset fix |
| 15:11.33 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r86f7e966a826 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add numptyphysics (ugly ugly build), an insanely cool crayon game |
| 15:11.36 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03rwhitby 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf9108192d50d 10/packages/numptyphysics/numptyphysics_svn.bb: numptyphysics: Add -lX11 to LDOPTS to fix build |
| 15:11.39 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra08bdd783428 10/packages/numptyphysics/ (3 files in 2 dirs): numptyphysics: add patch to build it with gcc 4.3 |
| 15:11.42 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra837f5465961 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add numptyphysics_setup.tgz checksums.. |
| 15:11.45 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra46d5a10a6c3 10/packages/hal/hal_0.5.9.bb: [hal] Remove commented out things we have a SCM to recover it |
| 15:11.48 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r789da5442411 10/packages/hal/ (hal.inc hal_0.5.9.bb): [hal] Move almost everything into the hal.inc file |
| 15:11.53 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r7512ba68a584 10/packages/hal/ (hal-info.inc hal-info_20070618.bb hal-info_20080313.bb): [hal] Create hal-info.inc and share it with the releases |
| 15:11.56 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r018b34153134 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [hal] Add latest hal and hal-info |
| 15:11.59 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r9a936ae74765 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Build hal 0.5.11 and recent hal-info |
| 15:12.04 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r217b5505cc70 10/ (111 files in 10 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.testing' into org.openmoko.asu.stable |
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| 15:18.32 | tomboy64 | uhm |
| 15:18.41 | TAsn | my moko arrived at unit. |
| 15:18.41 | tomboy64 | how do i enter numbers in 2008.8? |
| 15:18.41 | TAsn | ;) |
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| 15:20.00 | dolf1074 | slide the keyboard up until |
| 15:20.06 | dolf1074 | you have numbers |
| 15:20.25 | dolf1074 | once will normally give you CAPITAL |
| 15:20.35 | dolf1074 | then numbers and as last you have special chars |
| 15:21.10 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rf07541211602 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get a version that sends the noise reduction command |
| 15:21.10 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rca7d3167eba8 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): movw illume to upstream svn version. now use "asu" profile - illume-theme |
| 15:21.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * re5b85d6490aa 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): update efl and e to latest - fix segv on startup, gsm now doesnt use gsmget |
| 15:21.11 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r15970a09ca36 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and update to fix slight focus problems with e/illume. working now (tested). |
| 15:21.14 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rbeb9039f229e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: move to version with less debugging |
| 15:21.17 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r655da0a957e0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume srcrev |
| 15:21.20 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r62474f1729ac 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: fix e revert focus bug reported in #1858 |
| 15:21.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r52963e5f5361 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade linux-openmoko to get some accelerometers changes |
| 15:21.28 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r3dca64284322 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the kernel to get the sensor fixes from Andrzej and Andy |
| 15:21.31 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r8800fb9c5205 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and push srcrev for asu update. battery theme changes, illume internal fixes |
| 15:21.53 | nyu | grm |
| 15:21.57 | nyu | curses vi |
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| 15:22.21 | nyu | you could have settled for a small editor that everyone can use sanely :-/ |
| 15:22.26 | nyu | like nano or so |
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| 15:22.49 | nyu | oh, interesting |
| 15:22.53 | nyu | the desktop files have translations |
| 15:22.56 | nyu | how do I change the locale? |
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| 15:23.24 | edistar | nyu: who is 'you'? |
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| 15:23.53 | edistar | nyu: opkg install nano |
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| 15:24.31 | nyu | edistar: whoever picked the default selection :-) |
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| 15:26.03 | tomboy64 | dolf1074: do you happen to tell me, how i actually pass an entered string to an input field? |
| 15:26.03 | edistar | nyu: ah, well.. vi is a dev's favourite.. |
| 15:26.15 | tomboy64 | prefers vim |
| 15:26.20 | tomboy64 | but i'm not a dev :-P |
| 15:26.26 | nyu | you don't like ed? :-P |
| 15:26.36 | edistar | tomboy64: why do you buy a FR then :P |
| 15:26.38 | nyu | actually, sed is a nice editor and is included ;-) |
| 15:26.42 | dolf1074 | No I was answering on 'how do i enter numbers in 2008.8?' |
| 15:26.47 | edistar | tomboy64: just joking, nano is just an opkg install nano away.. |
| 15:26.55 | tomboy64 | dolf1074: :) yep |
| 15:26.57 | tomboy64 | thanks |
| 15:27.03 | tomboy64 | well |
| 15:27.16 | tomboy64 | i still need to enter an alphanumeric string as my wifi-pwd |
| 15:27.22 | tomboy64 | anybody can help? |
| 15:27.35 | edistar | tomboy64: yeah, slide your finger from the bottom of the keyboard to the top |
| 15:27.38 | edistar | several times |
| 15:27.43 | edistar | till you get numbers |
| 15:27.46 | edistar | then have fun |
| 15:28.01 | tomboy64 | but when i enter a number i can't enter anymore letters? O.O |
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| 15:28.09 | tomboy64 | and vice versa |
| 15:28.09 | edistar | slide up again |
| 15:28.35 | tomboy64 | well |
| 15:28.43 | tomboy64 | i am at the letter-part again |
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| 15:28.50 | tomboy64 | but it doesn't react to any more letters |
| 15:29.00 | Sprite_tm | Hi all :) |
| 15:29.10 | edistar | oh, try to tap at the top of the keyboard.. |
| 15:29.15 | edistar | it suggests something, doesn't it? |
| 15:29.19 | edistar | Sprite_tm: hi |
| 15:29.33 | Sprite_tm | Got my Freerunner for 3 days now, atm using it as a wifi->gprs-connection while tango-gps is showing me where I am. |
| 15:29.38 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 15:29.45 | Sprite_tm | Needless to say: I love the Freerunner! :) |
| 15:29.50 | tomboy64 | and it only shows the ahhh |
| 15:29.52 | tomboy64 | thanks |
| 15:29.57 | tomboy64 | yes |
| 15:30.01 | Sprite_tm | Makes training a lot more bearable. |
| 15:30.04 | AntonTakk | having trouble getting the evolution address book to open asynchronously |
| 15:30.13 | Sprite_tm | training -> traveling by train I mean |
| 15:30.28 | edistar | Sprite_tm: perfect |
| 15:30.53 | edistar | tomboy64: super |
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| 15:31.24 | Sprite_tm | Anyway, perhaps one of you know: Is zhone the only app capable of placing phone calls on the freerunner? |
| 15:31.28 | b0ib0t | can the accelerometers detect tilt? |
| 15:31.35 | b0ib0t | on the freerunner? |
| 15:31.40 | sol | wow, a lot more people in here than I expected :) |
| 15:31.42 | AntonTakk | Sprite_tm: the only one in fso |
| 15:31.50 | sol | b0ib0t; nothing in the openmoko can really do anything at the moment :p |
| 15:31.51 | tomboy64 | ew |
| 15:31.55 | tomboy64 | that keyboard sucks! |
| 15:31.55 | mjr | b0ib0t, that's their main useful purpose |
| 15:32.07 | tomboy64 | how do i switch off suggesting s***? |
| 15:32.15 | Sprite_tm | AntonTakk : Is that installable in Debian? |
| 15:32.20 | b0ib0t | sol, i am a developer, if the openmoko can run my code, its useful :P |
| 15:32.35 | b0ib0t | mjr, thanks much =D |
| 15:32.40 | AntonTakk | Sprite_tm: no clue, id no more install debian on my phone than anything else |
| 15:32.49 | sol | b0itb0t; then you'd have to try it. i haven't seen anything make use of the accelerometers yet, so I can't guess as to whether or not they function as they're supposed to |
| 15:32.52 | edistar | tomboy64: woot? |
| 15:32.59 | Sprite_tm | Ow, btw, anyone interested in a tiny program with which you can use the freerunner to make lightsword-noises? :) |
| 15:33.04 | edistar | tomboy64: delete it from the wordlist |
| 15:33.06 | b0ib0t | sol, i cant try it, i bought my freerunner yesterday and it is in the mail |
| 15:33.19 | Sprite_tm | AntonTakk: Ok, then I'll have to try it myself. |
| 15:33.20 | sol | they SHOULD detect tilt though, if they work :) |
| 15:33.23 | edistar | Sprite_tm: sure |
| 15:33.43 | b0ib0t | we are looking into a game for the freerunner that uses tilt |
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| 15:34.08 | edistar | sol: they can detect the angle of a stationary FR, so why not measure tilt? |
| 15:34.13 | Sprite_tm | edistar: K, I'll see if I can upload it somewhere... |
| 15:35.07 | sol | edistar, they're supposed to, yes. is there an application you've actually seen detect its angle? |
| 15:35.33 | edistar | sol: well.. I've tried a bit of code, and it is semi-reliable |
| 15:35.51 | edistar | sol: but I suppose the semi would vanish one a proper programmer tried |
| 15:36.10 | sol | edistar; assuming that it was your fault, rather than any kind of hardware issue |
| 15:36.15 | edistar | sol: just read the accels and do the angles by hand |
| 15:36.24 | AntonTakk | b0ib0t: maybe a 3d isometric neverball clone? |
| 15:36.34 | edistar | it's not 100% stable, but taking the average would be sufficient |
| 15:36.51 | sol | oh lovely |
| 15:36.56 | tomboy64 | mhmm |
| 15:36.58 | tomboy64 | i like asu :) |
| 15:37.00 | edistar | sol: how much tilt do you want to measure? < 5 degrees would be hard |
| 15:37.14 | b0ib0t | mercury clone |
| 15:37.18 | SpeedEvil | It measures with a resolution of 16mg IIRC |
| 15:37.27 | SpeedEvil | so that's 6 degrees or so. |
| 15:37.28 | b0ib0t | you tilt the device to move a blob or blobs to a destination |
| 15:37.43 | edistar | b0ib0t: don't know mercury.. |
| 15:37.53 | b0ib0t | tis a psp game |
| 15:38.08 | AntonTakk | any of you happen to have any experience writing apps that use libebook? |
| 15:38.12 | edistar | ah, I see (google) |
| 15:38.17 | b0ib0t | think of that wooden game wher you have a knob on either side of a wooden board, you change the angle of the board to move the ball into or avoiding certain holes |
| 15:38.23 | edistar | b0ib0t: that's the game I was planning too :P |
| 15:38.26 | sol | b0ib0t; do accelerometers typically require an average, or are they accurate? |
| 15:38.44 | SpeedEvil | sol: it depends on the accels. |
| 15:38.50 | b0ib0t | agreed |
| 15:38.53 | SpeedEvil | sol: unfortunately, the ones in the FR are very inaccurate |
| 15:38.55 | edistar | sol: the accels don't.. but if you want to use reliable values then you'd need to filter the results |
| 15:38.59 | b0ib0t | aww |
| 15:39.01 | paroneayea | :O |
| 15:39.03 | paroneayea | omg |
| 15:39.06 | sol | yay :/ |
| 15:39.10 | paroneayea | you know what would be great? |
| 15:39.14 | SpeedEvil | sol: they have a resolution of only 1 part in 128 of gravity values. |
| 15:39.16 | paroneayea | neverball ported to the freerunner |
| 15:39.19 | edistar | sol: well... it's a smartphone, not a physics device |
| 15:39.25 | sol | paroneayea; if the FR had some good surprises, rather than bad ones since its release? |
| 15:39.25 | sol | :p |
| 15:39.28 | paroneayea | (I dunno isf the gpu is good enough for that, but!) |
| 15:39.28 | b0ib0t | we have also been working on a ui system, we started it for slackware, but we are going to port it |
| 15:39.45 | sol | still needs to solder that (#$&ing cap on |
| 15:39.58 | sol | wanted to commit murder when he read that. |
| 15:40.04 | edistar | b0ib0t: are you actively working on that maze game? |
| 15:40.13 | Zorkman | paroneayea: they already ported it |
| 15:40.23 | paroneayea | Zorkman: really? |
| 15:40.30 | paroneayea | wow |
| 15:40.31 | AntonTakk | paroneayea: that's why i daid 3d isometric |
| 15:40.32 | edistar | paroneayea: yeah, but closed source |
| 15:40.36 | Zorkman | yeah, there's talk about it on the ML |
| 15:40.46 | paroneayea | edistar: closed source? I thought it was GPL'd |
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| 15:41.02 | edistar | paroneayea: well, the driver for 3d is closed.. |
| 15:41.23 | AntonTakk | paroneayea: think nvidia ;) you get the idea |
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| 15:41.46 | Zorkman | sol: accelerometers are also quite accurate I think (the same as in the iphone, seen some very nice accelerometer-apps for that phone) |
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| 15:42.13 | sol | Zorkman; apparently not in the FR, though, the FR must have cheap ones :D |
| 15:42.19 | Zorkman | edistar: did you see the pdf of wolfgang with information about which NDA's they have and the expire-dates? |
| 15:42.27 | edistar | Zorkman: no, I didn't |
| 15:42.27 | Cew27 | anyone know when the freerunner will get edge |
| 15:42.30 | Zorkman | sol: no, they are the same and they are quite good i heard |
| 15:42.31 | paroneayea | edistar: ah :( |
| 15:42.32 | b0ib0t | edistar, we will begin in the next month |
| 15:42.50 | edistar | b0ib0t: okey.. which language? |
| 15:43.00 | Cew27 | b0ib0t: hey |
| 15:43.10 | b0ib0t | edistar, c++ most likely |
| 15:43.25 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: tehre are accelerometers and accelerometers. They vary _widely_ |
| 15:43.25 | paroneayea | I can't wait for the day that the GPU proprietary blob wall comes tumbling down |
| 15:43.25 | b0ib0t | hey cew |
| 15:43.46 | SpeedEvil | par: reportedly, it's not great - even with the NDA. |
| 15:43.46 | edistar | b0ib0t: aww.. |
| 15:43.51 | SpeedEvil | par: don't expect much. |
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| 15:44.18 | Cew27 | b0ib0t: got my book of the sub genius and my slackhoodie/got root t shirt |
| 15:44.24 | edistar | b0ib0t: implement a joystick using tilt! |
| 15:44.32 | edistar | b0ib0t: then all games can use it |
| 15:44.35 | Zorkman | SpeedEvil: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-August/004863.html |
| 15:44.40 | Sprite_tm | Ok, my SD-card crashed. Anyone know of a SD-card >2G that _does_ work with the Freerunner without having to turn thefrequency down? |
| 15:44.52 | edistar | Sprite_tm: sandisk 8gb |
| 15:45.11 | edistar | wants pinball on neo.. |
| 15:45.22 | edistar | 'tilt' reminded me.. :) |
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| 15:45.30 | Zorkman | wants whatever-at-long-as-it-is-a-nice-game on FR :) |
| 15:46.02 | ecraven | Sprite_tm: i have a sandisk 4gb, works great |
| 15:46.18 | paroneayea | SpeedEvil: the free drivers for the intel embedded GPU worked nice last time I touched it |
| 15:46.18 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: right - I disagree dramatically on his definition of 'brilliant' is all. And I thought they weren't the same ones on the iphone - I'll have to look. |
| 15:46.26 | SpeedEvil | paroneayea: intel? |
| 15:46.40 | Sprite_tm | K, so Sandisk seems to work. |
| 15:46.45 | SpeedEvil | paroneayea: It's - on FR - not intel - it's smedia. |
| 15:47.02 | b0ib0t | we are hoping to make the game as donation based |
| 15:47.17 | b0ib0t | so when it is done we have a donation goal, then it goes open, another goal to add 20 levels and so on |
| 15:47.18 | Sprite_tm | I'll order one of these, the Transcend I havve now is absolute crap. |
| 15:47.31 | b0ib0t | we lost one dev, so we're down to 2, more money for me =] |
| 15:47.33 | mjr | wonders if paroneayea is talking more generally about GPUs than just FR/glamo |
| 15:47.33 | paroneayea | SpeedEvil: yeah I know. it just gives me *some* hope ;p |
| 15:47.39 | paroneayea | yeah |
| 15:47.43 | ecraven | is there a wiki page about compatible "accessories" ? i wanted to add a bunch :) |
| 15:47.50 | edistar | b0ib0t: are you a company? |
| 15:47.53 | Cew27 | why isnt edge on the freerunner |
| 15:47.54 | SpeedEvil | paroneayea: no - you miss the point. The underlying hardware is shit. |
| 15:47.57 | Zorkman | b0ib0t: any ETA? |
| 15:47.59 | ecraven | if you tell me where to look in /proc, i'll tell you exactly what card i have |
| 15:48.06 | b0ib0t | edistar, we are going llc in a year or so |
| 15:48.13 | edistar | llc? |
| 15:48.16 | SpeedEvil | paroneayea: There is not that much more you can do with the NDA. |
| 15:48.21 | b0ib0t | limited liability company |
| 15:48.26 | paroneayea | :( |
| 15:48.36 | SpeedEvil | paroneayea: it cannot do VGA+3D, for example. |
| 15:48.44 | b0ib0t | zorkman, no eta yet, we are still finishing 2 projects for our clients... after that we arent taking on anything until the game is done |
| 15:48.47 | Zorkman | ecraven: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Accessories ? |
| 15:48.55 | nyu | is /etc/fstab supposed to be parsed sequentially or in parallel? |
| 15:48.58 | edistar | b0ib0t: ah, okey |
| 15:49.01 | nyu | in OM 2007 |
| 15:49.03 | edistar | b0ib0t: don't like the limited bit :P |
| 15:49.29 | b0ib0t | edistar, its all still in the air... we want to form an official company, but havent decided on what type just yet |
| 15:49.39 | edistar | b0ib0t: okey :) |
| 15:49.43 | edistar | b0ib0t: which country? |
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| 15:49.54 | nyu | ah, this is mount -a |
| 15:49.55 | b0ib0t | edistar, usa |
| 15:50.09 | b0ib0t | if we make enough $$ we want to move to oslo though |
| 15:50.33 | Blalien | Hi, does anyone know where the unofficial repositories are hosted atm? for om2008.8 |
| 15:50.40 | b0ib0t | brb |
| 15:50.44 | Zorkman | b0ib0t: where in the USA are you located? |
| 15:51.01 | Sprite_tm | screen -r irc |
| 15:51.11 | Sprite_tm | http://meuk.spritesserver.nl/lightsaber-0.1.tgz |
| 15:51.13 | edistar | b0ib0t: nice plans |
| 15:51.29 | edistar | Sprite_tm: okey |
| 15:51.34 | Blalien | lol meuk |
| 15:51.38 | Sprite_tm | nm the screen -r irc line. GPRS latency and stuff :) |
| 15:51.44 | Zorkman | Sprite_tm: can we compile this on the phone kees ;-) |
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| 15:51.53 | Zorkman | and what does it do :) |
| 15:52.57 | Blalien | you can slice darth vader |
| 15:52.59 | Sprite_tm | Zorkman: What would an app called lightsaber for a phone with accel sensors do,? :) |
| 15:53.36 | Zorkman | could be only sound output, or it could be like mokofight :) |
| 15:53.37 | b0ib0t | back |
| 15:53.52 | b0ib0t | zorkman, Vermont |
| 15:53.53 | Sprite_tm | Sound only. I only had my freerunner for 3 days now :) |
| 15:54.11 | Zorkman | can I compile it on the phone? or will I need a build env? |
| 15:54.17 | Sprite_tm | Ah, this is my stop. I'll be idling now till I'm home :) |
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| 15:54.40 | Sprite_tm | Zorkman : There's a binary included. Run that, if it doesn't work recompile. |
| 15:54.47 | Zorkman | thanks! |
| 15:55.04 | Blalien | Where can I find the Unofficial (zecke) Updates |
| 15:55.14 | Blalien | I want to install gpsdrive |
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| 15:55.47 | Zorkman | sec, i'll search, i think it's just his people.openmoko.com/zecke 's page |
| 15:56.13 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.17 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.58 | Blalien | I get the following message in the Browser The requested URL /~zecke/om2008.8-dev was not found on this server. |
| 15:56.58 | Blalien | Or does it really only work with opkg? |
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| 15:57.30 | sylar91 | hi everybody |
| 15:57.34 | b0ib0t | hi |
| 15:57.43 | Zorkman | Blalien: he probably removed it, there isan Om288.7 feed now |
| 15:57.46 | Zorkman | 2008.8 i mean |
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| 15:57.50 | Zorkman | llo sylar91 |
| 15:57.56 | sylar91 | I can't install pidgin .... |
| 15:57.59 | sylar91 | hi |
| 15:58.03 | Zorkman | why not |
| 15:58.09 | sylar91 | I get the opkg 17 error |
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| 15:58.15 | Zorkman | wow 17? |
| 15:58.17 | Zorkman | what is 17? |
| 15:58.23 | sylar91 | good question |
| 15:58.30 | sylar91 | I don't know... |
| 15:59.09 | AntonTakk | 8.5 times worse than error 2? |
| 15:59.11 | sylar91 | what is error 17? oO |
| 15:59.21 | ecraven | is there a very simple gpsd client that only writes location/altitude/speed to a log file? |
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| 15:59.29 | mjr | gpspipe |
| 15:59.33 | ecraven | like the Trace part of tangogps, but more stable and automatic |
| 15:59.33 | Zorkman | sylar91: 17: Bad Signature |
| 15:59.46 | mjr | (well, it'll just write the raw nmea, but anyway) |
| 15:59.48 | sylar91 | Ah... and... so... what can I do? |
| 15:59.50 | ecraven | mjr: not a good format |
| 15:59.52 | Cew27 | why doesnt the freerunner have edge |
| 16:00.01 | Zorkman | don't know, signature shouldn't matter, it's not implemented yet |
| 16:00.04 | mjr | Cew27, because the gsm chip doesn't |
| 16:00.07 | sylar91 | .... |
| 16:00.08 | Zorkman | sure it's not just a warning you get? |
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| 16:00.15 | sylar91 | so why the error occures? |
| 16:00.16 | Cew27 | mjr: why isnt it implemented |
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| 16:00.21 | sylar91 | no it is an error |
| 16:00.28 | Zorkman | you can try to wget it sylar91 and then install it from your flash |
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| 16:00.35 | Zorkman | or you can try the -force-install option |
| 16:00.47 | sylar91 | also with the matchbox kerboard |
| 16:00.48 | sylar91 | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install matchbox-keyboard |
| 16:00.49 | sylar91 | Installing matchbox-keyboard (0.0+svnr1910-r7) to root... |
| 16:00.49 | sylar91 | Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/matchbox-keyboard_0.0+svnr1910-r7_armv4t.ipk |
| 16:00.49 | sylar91 | An error ocurred, return value: 17. |
| 16:00.52 | b0ib0t | use the force |
| 16:00.56 | sylar91 | lol |
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| 16:00.56 | SpeedEvil | Cew27: Everyone wants faster data. For various reasons this is impractical. |
| 16:01.04 | mjr | Cew27, what do you really want to know, or do you just want to complain? |
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| 16:01.06 | sylar91 | opkg install pidgin --force ? |
| 16:01.22 | Cew27 | i want to know why edge wasnt implemented as it is putting people off |
| 16:01.31 | Cew27 | what stopped them from implementing edge or 3g |
| 16:01.33 | sylar91 | force what? |
| 16:01.54 | Zorkman | sylar: -force-install |
| 16:02.11 | sylar91 | done... |
| 16:02.20 | mjr | Cew27, what good will an answer do? I can only speculate that mostly time-to-market considerations, in that swapping the gsm chip wasn't something to be trivially done |
| 16:02.21 | sylar91 | now error 2? oO |
| 16:02.32 | Zorkman | sylar91: 2: Error parsing config file |
| 16:02.46 | Zorkman | sylar91: there is also a pidgin ipk on celtune i think, get it there |
| 16:02.48 | SpeedEvil | Cew27: availability of open chipsets, price, ... |
| 16:02.53 | mjr | Cew27, now 3g, lack of suitable open enough chipsets |
| 16:02.58 | mjr | and price, yes |
| 16:03.15 | AntonTakk | Cew27: gta03 is tentatively planned to have 2.75g/edge |
| 16:03.54 | sylar91 | so it is a config file error? |
| 16:04.01 | sylar91 | where is the config file? |
| 16:04.15 | Zorkman | sylar91: config file is inside the ipk as far as i know, but i'm no expert |
| 16:05.01 | Cew27 | so edgie is planned to be implemnted |
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| 16:05.12 | AntonTakk | Cew27: tentatively |
| 16:05.18 | AntonTakk | no guarantees |
| 16:06.18 | mjr | methinks they might as well not do gta03 if it doesn't have edge, but of course, "no guarantees" is the default answer |
| 16:06.38 | Cew27 | is there a very ruogh time frame, i need to know if its worth wating |
| 16:06.44 | Cew27 | or order the one thats out at the moment |
| 16:06.47 | mjr | no there isn't |
| 16:06.54 | AntonTakk | mjr: eh, gta03 is planned to have other nice things as well, cam, case, etc |
| 16:07.08 | mjr | AntonTakk, not really "etc" :] |
| 16:07.20 | AntonTakk | Cew27: holiday season, 200? ;) |
| 16:07.27 | Cew27 | AntonTakk: when is it though to be released, next 6 months? next year? over a year? |
| 16:07.28 | Marcel_M | fyi http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/zsh_4.3.6-r2_armv4t.ipk (not tested yet) |
| 16:07.57 | mjr | my personal ass spits out a guess of summer 09 earliest, but consider the source |
| 16:08.20 | AntonTakk | Cew27: all we know is that the first 25 evaluation boards have arrived and are beginning testing to some degree as seen on the moko foresight page |
| 16:08.21 | nyu | case? |
| 16:08.21 | Cew27 | so a year |
| 16:08.24 | Cew27 | ill get this one i think |
| 16:08.25 | mjr | you ain't gonna get it anytime real soon anyway, so if you want a neo, buy what's out there now |
| 16:08.32 | nyu | AntonTakk: what case improvements? |
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| 16:08.51 | AntonTakk | nyu: not necesesarily improvements, just "redesign" |
| 16:08.57 | TAsn | nyu, i guess they will remove the weird round thingy on the bottom ;0 |
| 16:09.08 | nyu | oh |
| 16:09.10 | TAsn | j/k though it is a good idea. |
| 16:09.13 | nyu | then I can't hang it on my neck |
| 16:09.15 | Cew27 | does the freerunner have the potential to be a iphone killer |
| 16:09.21 | nyu | which I wouldn't do anyway ;-) |
| 16:09.23 | AntonTakk | i have heard rumors of a more rectangular case |
| 16:09.25 | mjr | Cew27, no |
| 16:09.26 | Cew27 | i mean do you think it does |
| 16:09.29 | TAsn | Cew27, it is now. |
| 16:09.30 | nyu | Cew27: iphone was born dead ;-) |
| 16:09.33 | mjr | who cares? |
| 16:09.44 | TAsn | nyu, exactly what i thougt. |
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| 16:09.50 | TAsn | iphone sucks bad |
| 16:09.54 | nyu | Cew27: the child was put handcuffs and can't even feed |
| 16:09.55 | Cew27 | i know |
| 16:09.56 | TAsn | but even without the iphone sucking |
| 16:10.02 | TAsn | the fr is all i need\want |
| 16:10.12 | Cew27 | i want it because it is open and free |
| 16:10.14 | Cew27 | and i like that |
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| 16:10.23 | nyu | Cew27: apple lost contact with reality IMO. they didn't listen to the "developers developers" song enough times |
| 16:10.33 | AntonTakk | TAsn: i wish i could say that, i brought my v3 razr to work today instead of my fr |
| 16:10.40 | nyu | so they don't care alienating developers |
| 16:10.56 | Cew27 | goes to the toilet |
| 16:11.05 | ecraven | imho, the FR is not useable for anything much at the moment, but it has potential ;) |
| 16:11.15 | holycow | iphone and moko customers are mutually excluse |
| 16:11.16 | nyu | ecraven: one can make calls |
| 16:11.17 | Zorkman | a grees with ecraven |
| 16:11.26 | Zorkman | nyu: I can't |
| 16:11.26 | nyu | and play wesnoth. what else is a phone good for? |
| 16:11.26 | ecraven | nyu: for about 2 hours a day... |
| 16:11.29 | ecraven | at bad quality |
| 16:11.31 | holycow | iphone customers are happy with a jail as long as its decorated by martha stewart |
| 16:11.31 | Zorkman | not reliable and not without buzzing |
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| 16:11.51 | nyu | holycow: I disagree, they don't know it's a jail |
| 16:11.52 | TAsn | holycow, lol |
| 16:11.54 | nyu | the ads won't tell |
| 16:11.55 | ecraven | don't misunderstand me, it's a great thing, it's just not *usable* yet :) |
| 16:11.57 | Zorkman | nyu: is there already wesnoth for 2007.2/ASU? thought only for debian (there used to be one for 2007.2, but they lost it..) |
| 16:12.01 | holycow | moko customers would kill all the wardens, take the jail appart brick by brick with their bare hands and destroy the place until nothing is left |
| 16:12.10 | nyu | holycow: when they _feel_ the jail, then they'll know |
| 16:12.22 | holycow | indeedy |
| 16:12.22 | nyu | Zorkman: I use debian =) |
| 16:12.38 | AntonTakk | ecraven: ime, qtopia, some asu builds, most 2007.2, and fso-ms2 are all "useable", problem is fso doesn't have the features i need/want yet, qtopia makes me queasy. asu is slower than a dead rat, and 2007.2 chokes on my sim :( |
| 16:12.43 | nyu | and they do already, since they can't switch provider, right? |
| 16:12.48 | nyu | did someone manage to crack that? |
| 16:13.07 | neolynx | hello, has anyone some experience witch debian on frerunner ? |
| 16:13.16 | nyu | some |
| 16:13.19 | Zorkman | nyu: don't know, but what is the use of unlocking an iphone?? |
| 16:13.29 | nyu | Zorkman: switching provider |
| 16:13.29 | ecraven | AntonTakk: they are at about the state of a phone 15 years ago, slow, buggy, no good usability.. |
| 16:13.32 | Zorkman | you have paid your provider a two year contract... |
| 16:13.34 | holycow | nyu: there is truth to your point indeed |
| 16:13.36 | ecraven | neolynx: yes |
| 16:13.49 | ecraven | neolynx: you might also ask in #openmoko-cdevel or #openmoko-debian |
| 16:14.07 | neolynx | ecraven: thanks ! |
| 16:14.22 | AntonTakk | ecraven: yeah, I have gone back to my old phone till i can write some basic apps for fso |
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| 16:14.43 | ecraven | AntonTakk: i use it for gps (which works well enough, though not *long* enough ;) |
| 16:14.44 | nyu | holycow: I don't think anyone likes to be caged. but it's usually really hard to convince someone that he's been living in a cage |
| 16:14.50 | ecraven | and i'll start playing around with gsm stuff soon |
| 16:15.06 | AntonTakk | starting with an edje/evo based contacts management app |
| 16:15.06 | iperry | does anybody know which app captures the aux keypresses? |
| 16:15.08 | holycow | nyu: yeah humans don't make decisions rationally. |
| 16:15.13 | iperry | are they broadcasted over dbus? |
| 16:15.33 | Zorkman | thank god FSO milestone 3 will be ready tomorrow :-D |
| 16:15.41 | AntonTakk | tomorrow? |
| 16:15.51 | AntonTakk | they had 15 tickets last I checked |
| 16:15.55 | TAsn | Zorkman, how do you know? |
| 16:15.55 | mjr | hopefully it'll be even somewhat phone-usable... |
| 16:16.09 | Zorkman | TAsn, AntonTakk: Due in 1 day (08/30/08) |
| 16:16.13 | Zorkman | and yeah, i'm kidding :) |
| 16:16.15 | nyu | holycow: the rational side is just at the service of the emotional one. so if the emotional one wants to feel well about being caged, it'll demand some explanation to justify it, and then be happy with that |
| 16:16.44 | holycow | lol, thats probably the best description i've ever read |
| 16:16.45 | Zorkman | Mickey said +/- 9 days ago it would be ready in 7-10 days, that that was a realistic aim :) |
| 16:16.45 | holycow | indeed |
| 16:16.48 | Zorkman | we didin't believe him :) |
| 16:16.50 | holycow | my hat off to you :) |
| 16:16.53 | nyu | :-) |
| 16:17.41 | nyu | of course, it's a lot of fun when you come and break that scheme to them |
| 16:17.49 | AntonTakk | so again i plead: anyone have any experience doing dev with libebook? |
| 16:18.00 | nyu | then they overreact and say you're a fundamentalist, etc :-) |
| 16:18.06 | Zorkman | nope, sorry AntonTakk |
| 16:18.45 | AntonTakk | if I could just get it to open the contacts db in async mode i could make a simple menu driven text ui and get the guts working |
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| 16:18.57 | AntonTakk | then work on an edje gui |
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| 16:20.30 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: you could ask on #openmoko-cdevel or on the ML... |
| 16:20.35 | Zorkman | maybe more luck there |
| 16:20.39 | AntonTakk | yeah |
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| 16:21.18 | AntonTakk | i may do that tonight at home, i really shouldn't be writing apps for fso while i'm supposed to be working |
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| 16:22.33 | Zorkman | unless your work is to make calling and suspend work reliable, I like it when you spend tome on writing apps instead of working ;-) |
| 16:22.39 | AntonTakk | the only thing that leaves is i wonder if we will ever see a om phone with ui-controling buttons and a slide out kb |
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| 16:23.26 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: i want to get contact management working first, then i hope to write a very simple call handeling app |
| 16:23.40 | AntonTakk | followed by a today-style app |
| 16:23.42 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: If you really want that, maybe making a wiki page with a poll or a place where people can leave there name if they are also interested.. probably won't work.. but you can try :) |
| 16:24.06 | Zorkman | An improved Zphone, sort of speak? |
| 16:24.23 | AntonTakk | cut down and improved |
| 16:24.45 | AntonTakk | basically zhone minus anything not directly related to making/receiving calls |
| 16:24.50 | Zorkman | I think that would be very usefull... zphone is actually more proof-of-concept and a toy to test :) |
| 16:25.31 | ecraven | zphone? zhone? |
| 16:25.40 | Zorkman | zhone |
| 16:25.53 | nyu | zune? |
| 16:25.57 | AntonTakk | since in the end, as I understand it, the phone app won't do the notification, you'll make a dbus call and onotifyd (or w/e will do what is apropriate based on what ever) |
| 16:26.04 | Zorkman | in my head I always call it ze-phone (with a german accent) |
| 16:26.20 | Sprite_tm | AntonTakk : I was thinking of devving the same thing :) |
| 16:26.22 | AntonTakk | i always call it "zone" |
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| 16:26.41 | AntonTakk | Sprite_tm: hrm, mayhape we should collab? :) |
| 16:26.46 | Sprite_tm | zhone is overengineerd imo |
| 16:26.47 | AntonTakk | mayhaps* |
| 16:26.52 | Zoup_ | IS om2007 considered more stable than om2008 ? |
| 16:26.54 | Sprite_tm | Errm... |
| 16:27.05 | Sprite_tm | xhone? ;) |
| 16:27.30 | Zorkman | why not call it just "phone" :P |
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| 16:27.48 | AntonTakk | Zoup_: yes, but ymmv, the phone stack in 2007.2 is flimsy at best ime |
| 16:27.51 | Zorkman | linux is full of crazy names :) (I kinda like that aspect :)) |
| 16:28.17 | Sprite_tm | xinapa? |
| 16:28.24 | Zoup_ | AntonTakk: whats your take on FSO , debian ? |
| 16:28.44 | Sprite_tm | mm, nm, wouulnd work. |
| 16:29.11 | AntonTakk | fso ms2 is useable as a very basic phone, debian is not worth my time (imho) |
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| 16:30.15 | bumbl | yeah debian is not there yet; doesn't make fun |
| 16:30.19 | Blalien | Zorkman: Where can I find the 2008.8 feed? Or do you mean the one on buildhost or on downloads |
| 16:30.34 | Zorkman | Sprite_tm: I get errors with lightsaber |
| 16:30.42 | Zorkman | Err: pcm_open |
| 16:30.50 | Zorkman | lightsaber: pcm_params.c:2276: snd_pcm_hw_refine: Assertion `pcm && params' failed. |
| 16:30.57 | Sprite_tm | Aah? |
| 16:30.58 | Zorkman | Aborted |
| 16:31.07 | Zorkman | Aah yes :) |
| 16:31.18 | Sprite_tm | Do you run it asroot? |
| 16:31.21 | Zorkman | jup |
| 16:31.34 | Sprite_tm | Mmm, weird. |
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| 16:31.55 | Zorkman | I run it on 2008.8 because on 2007.2 my accelerometers don't work |
| 16:32.08 | Zorkman | (event2 and 3 don't give output when hexdumping) |
| 16:32.10 | Sprite_tm | Perhaps another app uses alsa?/ |
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| 16:32.27 | Zorkman | just booted... didn't open a thing |
| 16:33.07 | Sprite_tm | (working on my neeo now, btw, typos are because of the onscreen kb )0 |
| 16:33.22 | Zorkman | np |
| 16:35.13 | AntonTakk | anyone know is gcc is an available package in fso? |
| 16:35.17 | AntonTakk | if* |
| 16:35.45 | Sprite_tm | Zorkman : did you need to recompile? |
| 16:35.54 | Zorkman | Sprite_tm: no, i didn't recompile |
| 16:36.13 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: maybe you can check the feeds at bearstech? |
| 16:36.28 | iperry | does anybody know which app captures the aux keypresses? i want to hijack it to do what i want. |
| 16:36.41 | Sprite_tm | K... Drat, it works likea harm here... |
| 16:37.04 | Zorkman | :( if I can do anythin to assist you in debugging, let me know |
| 16:37.57 | Sprite_tm | Errrm... not that I know... Long shot, but could you recompile it? |
| 16:38.18 | Zorkman | what do I need to do? type ./make? |
| 16:38.25 | Zorkman | (I really am a noob @ linux...) |
| 16:38.58 | Sprite_tm | Yeep, if you have gcc/make installed |
| 16:39.06 | Sprite_tm | Sans ./ btw |
| 16:39.07 | Torikun | how good is FSO |
| 16:39.19 | Zorkman | make not found |
| 16:39.34 | Zorkman | thought i had gcc installed... |
| 16:39.34 | paroneayea | Torikun: not currently as usable as qtopia, but it's The Future |
| 16:39.58 | Torikun | ASU is kinda good but not getting good fast enough |
| 16:40.16 | Sprite_tm | Mmmm.. Ive onlyexxperience withdeebian, unfortunhately. |
| 16:40.34 | Torikun | My usb0 is not detected on debian |
| 16:40.37 | Torikun | Debian had good look |
| 16:40.45 | lindi- | Torikun: usb0 is not detected? |
| 16:40.51 | Torikun | yup |
| 16:41.00 | lindi- | Torikun: isn't that entirely kernel issue? |
| 16:41.05 | Torikun | should be |
| 16:41.10 | Torikun | using latest openmoko kernel |
| 16:41.15 | lindi- | Torikun: do you have time to debug this? |
| 16:41.20 | Torikun | sure |
| 16:42.00 | lindi- | Torikun: install.sh fetches http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/uImage-2.6.24+gitr0+7a1370a816b9348dd8f36a667905dd3533cefc9b-r4-om-gta02.bin |
| 16:42.04 | lindi- | Torikun: are you using something else? |
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| 16:42.20 | Torikun | maybe |
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| 16:43.07 | Torikun | fedora core 9? |
| 16:43.12 | lindi- | ? |
| 16:43.13 | Zorkman | whatch out for the belgians! |
| 16:43.18 | Kontuus | why doesn't openmoko phone have 3g? |
| 16:43.30 | Torikun | it is not useable with gsm yet |
| 16:43.31 | Torikun | lol |
| 16:43.38 | lindi- | Kontuus: it would probably have cost too much? |
| 16:44.20 | Torikun | how should I install the debian kernel |
| 16:44.21 | Kontuus | lindi-: a nokia gsm phone costs 40 euros |
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| 16:44.38 | Torikun | obviousally, the installer messed up the first time |
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| 16:45.03 | lindi- | Kontuus: so? they make huge number of phones |
| 16:45.19 | lindi- | Torikun: you can just wget it? |
| 16:45.24 | lindi- | Torikun: it is not in debian yet |
| 16:45.36 | lindi- | i hope it'll soon be |
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| 16:46.38 | Torikun | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.41 | Torikun | i did that |
| 16:46.44 | Torikun | itis downloading kernel |
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| 16:48.29 | Dave | TORIKUNS |
| 16:48.37 | Torikun | DAVES |
| 16:48.43 | Dave | What is that, the new debian installer? :p |
| 16:48.50 | Torikun | LOL |
| 16:48.52 | Torikun | LETS HOPE I CAN SSH IN |
| 16:48.53 | Torikun | lol |
| 16:49.15 | Torikun | Debian was pretty |
| 16:49.21 | bumbl | Torikun: you can ssh in |
| 16:49.21 | Dave | Doubtful |
| 16:49.29 | Torikun | bumbl: kernel issues with module for usb0 |
| 16:49.31 | Dave | It doesn't like you. |
| 16:49.34 | Dave | :p |
| 16:50.57 | Torikun | NOONE LIKESME |
| 16:50.57 | Torikun | lol |
| 16:50.57 | Dave | Man, the ipv6 support on my phone is flakey. |
| 16:50.57 | Dave | Torikun, we sort of like you... |
| 16:50.58 | lindi- | Torikun: but you had wrong kernel? |
| 16:51.09 | Dave | lindi, how's it going? :) |
| 16:51.14 | Torikun | dunno |
| 16:51.15 | Dave | Any new amazing debian developments? :) |
| 16:51.18 | Torikun | I wil reinstall it |
| 16:51.20 | Torikun | and check |
| 16:51.39 | Torikun | Wireless should work good on debian |
| 16:51.58 | bumbl | Torikun: never had that one |
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| 16:52.27 | Torikun | Boy, Linux sure puts a new meaning to Plug and Prey |
| 16:53.20 | Dave | Preying Linux |
| 16:53.24 | Dave | >:D~ |
| 16:53.37 | Torikun | Oh, lord! Please boot thy PC with the correct modules |
| 16:53.49 | soltys | does opkg has similar option as --depclean in emerge ? |
| 16:53.58 | Torikun | emerge = fail |
| 16:54.06 | bumbl | Torikun: apt-get = fail |
| 16:54.13 | soltys | hehe |
| 16:54.18 | Torikun | pacman = naked woman |
| 16:54.29 | Zorkman | :D |
| 16:54.41 | Torikun | I want Arch on me phone mateys! |
| 16:54.55 | Zorkman | I read that you can solve eachpackman game by moving in curse-words |
| 16:54.59 | bumbl | arch only runs on i686 and amd64 |
| 16:55.13 | Torikun | They made a ppc port |
| 16:55.17 | bumbl | really |
| 16:55.22 | bumbl | wow |
| 16:55.24 | Torikun | not offical |
| 16:55.29 | bumbl | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.30 | Torikun | for them mac heads |
| 16:55.44 | soltys | i want to remove deps of removed apps... |
| 16:55.57 | soltys | how can i do that ? |
| 16:57.15 | bumbl | soltys: i don't think opkg supports that |
| 16:57.43 | bumbl | but you could run portage prefix inside the openmoko distribution |
| 16:57.54 | bumbl | or use the gentoo embedded port |
| 16:58.08 | bumbl | you compile everything on a hostpc |
| 16:58.13 | bumbl | using crosscompile |
| 16:58.22 | bumbl | but you have the power of portage |
| 16:58.51 | soltys | if i have time i could play with that |
| 16:59.06 | soltys | but that will happen in future |
| 17:00.00 | Dave | -_- |
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| 17:06.20 | Dave | MOKO MADNESS |
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| 17:12.35 | LionKMP | are older daily builds always deleted from this dir ? http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ or why is there only one? |
| 17:13.30 | Zoup | Dave: Freeze! |
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| 17:17.17 | Zorkman | Dave: Hammertime! |
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| 17:42.41 | Zorkman | wouldn't it be nice if we had a bot that posted a message here everytime a new bugreport is submitted? |
| 17:43.16 | Zorkman | what CIA-22 is doing for the different branches at the moment |
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| 17:46.35 | phrozen77 | Zorkman, are they available as rss feed? |
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| 17:47.14 | bumbl | Zorkman: it would be nice |
| 17:47.21 | bumbl | but it might flood the channel |
| 17:47.45 | Zorkman | but maybe only when a new ticket is created? not with ever comment... |
| 17:47.56 | ieatlint | blarg |
| 17:47.58 | Zorkman | tickets are I think max 10/day |
| 17:48.27 | bumbl | i should sign up |
| 17:48.35 | bumbl | adding 10/day |
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| 17:49.06 | Zorkman | hehe, you should :) |
| 17:49.34 | phrozen77 | Zorkman, where is the bugtracker? |
| 17:49.42 | Zorkman | but sometimes you have to post 10posts on a bug report just to convice a developper it REALLY is an imporatant issue (after he checks it as "invalid") |
| 17:50.02 | ieatlint | Dave, the library may be done ... |
| 17:50.15 | Zorkman | phrozen77: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ |
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| 17:51.12 | Zoup | My phone is in many different wifi networks , i there any way for phone to autodetect networks and configure itself ? |
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| 17:55.45 | bedboi | what's the latest image usable on a neo 1973 ? |
| 17:56.31 | Zorkman | you guys have usable images??? |
| 17:56.42 | Zorkman | I should have bought a neo1973 instead of a FR :) |
| 17:56.50 | bedboi | why that? |
| 17:57.01 | bedboi | it depends on what's your definition of "usable" |
| 17:57.29 | Zorkman | yeah I was just joking bedboi, and while I was at it sharing the fact that i do not have a 1973 so I sadly can't help you, sorry |
| 17:57.33 | bedboi | i would be quite happy if the battery would last at least 10 hours |
| 17:57.59 | bedboi | 12 is even a good figure |
| 17:58.17 | harnir | bedboi: you mean 10 h working or 10 h in suspend? |
| 17:58.28 | bedboi | well,not 10h talking |
| 17:58.37 | bedboi | 10h of normal usage |
| 17:58.48 | bedboi | as any other mobile phne |
| 17:58.50 | bedboi | phone |
| 17:59.41 | bedboi | honestly, i'm not following so much the improvements of openmoko |
| 17:59.51 | b0ib0t | I have return |
| 17:59.57 | bedboi | since at least 6 months even more maybe |
| 18:00.11 | LionKMP | where is the wireless configuration page in the wifi? |
| 18:00.13 | LionKMP | wiki |
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| 18:01.08 | Blalien | has anyone tested gpsdrive on om 2008.8? |
| 18:01.59 | LionKMP | how do I enter Wifi password if it keeps on replacing my text with English words? :( |
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| 18:02.29 | harnir | do you know any way of changing font in openmoko-terminal2 besides recompilation? |
| 18:03.09 | harnir | LionKMP: use zoom |
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| 18:03.51 | LionKMP | what zoom? |
| 18:03.54 | bumbl | LionKMP: stay on the key until it zooms in |
| 18:04.20 | UndrWater | do some of you get the message "no such Alternate <alternate>" using dfu-util sometimes? |
| 18:04.24 | LionKMP | oh, ok. hm, I entered a wrong english word and I am afraid there is no backspace. |
| 18:04.39 | bumbl | flip from the right to the left |
| 18:04.46 | bumbl | enter is up to down |
| 18:04.47 | UndrWater | slide from right to left |
| 18:05.05 | bumbl | change the .kbd is down to up |
| 18:05.06 | UndrWater | up to down changes keyboard, no? |
| 18:05.21 | UndrWater | left to right is space |
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| 18:05.23 | harnir | what ASU needs is asututor, especially for the keyboard |
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| 18:05.25 | bumbl | and space is for space |
| 18:05.31 | phrozen77 | Zorkman, where is the bugtracker? |
| 18:05.35 | phrozen77 | arg |
| 18:05.35 | bumbl | UndrWater: up to down is enter |
| 18:05.36 | phrozen77 | Zorkman, there you go |
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| 18:06.05 | UndrWater | bumbl: i get kb change if i up to down, or down to up |
| 18:06.18 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r2fa62b9e6b8c 10/odeviced/src/daemon/plugin.vala: Resolve plugin symbols lazily and keep them local to the respective plugins |
| 18:06.18 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r5cedbf9faec7 10/odeviced/src/plugins/power/ (Makefile.am power-helpers.h power.vala): Use Kernel Uevents to receive power_supply notifications via netlink. Removes the need for the evil polling of battery status |
| 18:06.21 | Zorkman | phrozen77: i gave you the link, no? |
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| 18:06.27 | phrozen77 | yes |
| 18:06.29 | Zorkman | k |
| 18:06.35 | phrozen77 | OMBugsBot should be posting the bugs |
| 18:06.37 | phrozen77 | _should_ |
| 18:06.45 | Blalien | No-one tried gpsdrive? |
| 18:06.48 | phrozen77 | doesnt looklike it tho |
| 18:07.00 | harnir | anyone using 2007.2 here? |
| 18:07.12 | LionKMP | thanks for keyboard hints (this is horrible :D ) |
| 18:07.27 | Zorkman | harnir: I use it (together with 2008.8-upgraded) |
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| 18:07.58 | bumbl | UndrWater: ah then the qtopia keyboard handles gestures different than the illume keyboard |
| 18:08.01 | harnir | Zorkman: good to know, I thought for a minute I'm the last user ;-) |
| 18:08.03 | bumbl | up to down is enter |
| 18:08.11 | Zorkman | harnir: no , a lot of people use it |
| 18:08.14 | UndrWater | bumbl: must be so ;) |
| 18:08.15 | Zorkman | Dave also uses it |
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| 18:08.29 | harnir | Zorkman: do you know a way to completely turn off clock on Today, or customize quick launch bar? |
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| 18:08.45 | bumbl | i might go back to 2007.2 |
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| 18:08.51 | harnir | I need a terminal icon there |
| 18:08.53 | fish_ | re |
| 18:08.56 | UndrWater | <-moving to FSO |
| 18:08.56 | bumbl | fso is nice but some apps are not ready |
| 18:08.59 | Zorkman | hmm i think i read about disabling clock, customising quick launch bar.. that i don't know |
| 18:09.04 | Zorkman | (you can customize the top bar though) |
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| 18:09.16 | bumbl | fir ut |
| 18:09.23 | harnir | yeah, matchbox/session, been there, done tha |
| 18:09.24 | spydon | Zorkman, I saw a guy on youtube who had done that |
| 18:09.29 | bumbl | for it |
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| 18:09.40 | harnir | see you later |
| 18:09.55 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rf6b2cddd36c3 10/odeviced/src/plugins/power/power-helpers.c: oops...forgot to git add |
| 18:10.38 | Zorkman | grr harnir, i just got your command |
| 18:10.59 | LionKMP | i am unable to set up masquereading on Mandriva for the usb0 connected Neo :( Mandiva even has a control center for network sharing, no luck. |
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| 18:11.07 | doc|work | is qtopia.net down? |
| 18:11.11 | LionKMP | I find a basic network guide :) |
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| 18:12.29 | admiral0 | hello * |
| 18:13.02 | Zorkman | hi |
| 18:14.53 | admiral0 | i've installed illume-config-illume |
| 18:15.00 | admiral0 | result:potatoes |
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| 18:15.38 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1250: No Wifi in Managed Mode ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1250 ) |
| 18:15.41 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1253: Mysterious green lines on screen ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1253 ) |
| 18:15.43 | phrozen77 | :D |
| 18:15.44 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1282: Remove rotate display option ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1282 ) |
| 18:15.47 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1315: xglamo: Performance decreases after a while ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1315 ) |
| 18:15.49 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1318: OpenMoko not mounting on Qemu on Fedora8 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1318 ) |
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| 18:15.52 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1322: Background noise during conversation ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1322 ) |
| 18:15.55 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1354: Cannot resume from suspend if suspend more than 30 minutes ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1354 ) |
| 18:15.58 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1367: atheros wireless driver doesn't report info correctly ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1367 ) |
| 18:16.02 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1376: GSM does not respond to flow control ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1376 ) |
| 18:16.05 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1567: cannot re-flash the debug board ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1567 ) |
| 18:16.08 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1651: Incoming call tone has fixed repeat rate ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1651 ) |
| 18:16.10 | phrozen77 | it'll post the content of the rss feed for the first time, then only updates |
| 18:16.10 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1654: [illume] Manually showing and hiding the keyboard. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1654 ) |
| 18:16.13 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1834: openmoko-dialer2 crashes when no dbus connection could be set (bad error init) ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1834 ) |
| 18:16.17 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1841: white screen of death (WSOD) after resume ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1841 ) |
| 18:16.19 | Zorkman | admiral0: dam n |
| 18:16.20 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1849: mmcinit error with the SD card that came with the phone ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1849 ) |
| 18:16.22 | Zorkman | that's bad news |
| 18:16.23 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1873: Mediaplayer does not load Proper alsa scenario ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1873 ) |
| 18:16.26 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1901: Answer button does not work ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1901 ) |
| 18:16.29 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1601: can not hear anything after disconnected third parties call ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1601 ) |
| 18:16.32 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1625: conman/wifi driver: can connect to wifi network only once ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1625 ) |
| 18:16.35 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1640: [Audio] Improve overall audio experience in ASU ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1640 ) |
| 18:16.38 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1662: [GSM] not working properly after x hours of usage ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1662 ) |
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| 18:16.41 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1771: Booting fails: AR6000 problem ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1771 ) |
| 18:16.44 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1805: SD card corruption with 2008.8 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1805 ) |
| 18:16.47 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1255: No indication of battery charging when power is off ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1255 ) |
| 18:16.47 | LionKMP | wow so many bugs at once |
| 18:16.49 | mmontour | welcomes our new BugBot overlords |
| 18:16.50 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1818: SMS doesn't send when network coverage restores ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1818 ) |
| 18:16.53 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1548: Test that adding a repository actually works ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1548 ) |
| 18:16.56 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1586: Antenna show with signal, but can't make any phone call or receive call (no alert message) ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1586 ) |
| 18:16.59 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1587: can not receive SMS often ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1587 ) |
| 18:17.03 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1661: Unable to send saved tags by entering number (must have) ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1661 ) |
| 18:17.05 | Zorkman | is the bug bot catching up ? :) |
| 18:17.05 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1691: [Qtopia] qpe crash happened after flash the new image ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1691 ) |
| 18:17.08 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1722: [GSM] taking signal is too slow ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1722 ) |
| 18:17.09 | LionKMP | we should not what works, not what does not :) |
| 18:17.11 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1789: 2008.8 screen blanks and refuses to wakeup ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1789 ) |
| 18:17.13 | abraxa_ | wtf... |
| 18:17.14 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1888: [Setting] can't connect to network via wifi ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1888 ) |
| 18:17.14 | LionKMP | not=note |
| 18:17.17 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1897: OM2008.8-upgrade ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1897 ) |
| 18:17.20 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #79: suspend/resume to RAM support ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/79 ) |
| 18:17.23 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1436: openmoko.conf breaks builds which use a custom overlay ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1436 ) |
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| 18:17.26 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #44: InputMethod API ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/44 ) |
| 18:17.28 | phrozen77 | yeah |
| 18:17.29 | phrozen77 | ok |
| 18:17.29 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #58: API for neod (device daemon) ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/58 ) |
| 18:17.32 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #65: Visual indication for SMS overflow ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/65 ) |
| 18:17.35 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #81: Decide how PMU RTC alarm interrupt is signalled to userspace ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/81 ) |
| 18:17.38 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #96: make sure PMU alarm (set via rtc interface) is persistent ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/96 ) |
| 18:17.39 | LionKMP | someone changed a metabug :) |
| 18:17.41 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #101: Implement GPRS setup/teardown support ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/101 ) |
| 18:17.44 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #110: look into gps / agps integration ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/110 ) |
| 18:17.47 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #111: integrate agpsd in our system power management. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/111 ) |
| 18:17.50 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #112: How to deliver kernel-level alarm to destination app ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/112 ) |
| 18:17.53 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #113: bluetooth headset support ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/113 ) |
| 18:17.56 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #116: bluetooth HID support (host) ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/116 ) |
| 18:17.58 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #117: bluetooth HID support (device) ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/117 ) |
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| 18:18.02 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #118: bluetooth networking support ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/118 ) |
| 18:18.04 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #120: bluetooth OBEX ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/120 ) |
| 18:18.07 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #181: Password Storage/Retrieval Application ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/181 ) |
| 18:18.10 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #197: Make theme suitable for qvga screens. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/197 ) |
| 18:18.13 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #209: u-boot DFU needs to block console access while in DFU mode ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/209 ) |
| 18:18.16 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #246: Debug board needs to be recognized by mainline linux kernel. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/246 ) |
| 18:18.19 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #321: ftdi_eeprom often fails silently ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/321 ) |
| 18:18.22 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #350: OpenMoko keyboard usability issues ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/350 ) |
| 18:18.23 | LionKMP | are all these changing state RESOLVED FIXED? :-D |
| 18:18.25 | abraxa_ | Who the fck thought such a bot would be a good idea?! |
| 18:18.25 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #418: Power Button Timeouts too long ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/418 ) |
| 18:18.28 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #448: We need an alarm daemon ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/448 ) |
| 18:18.31 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #452: Openmoko widgets need to use gobject properties ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/452 ) |
| 18:18.34 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #527: The BlueTooth broadcast ID is set wrong (patch) ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/527 ) |
| 18:18.36 | phrozen77 | points to Zorkman |
| 18:18.37 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #555: remove/disable portmap by default on official releases ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/555 ) |
| 18:18.40 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #596: dfu transfer very slow on GTA02 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/596 ) |
| 18:18.43 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #603: timeout at boot menu while typing ? ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/603 ) |
| 18:18.46 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #674: compile in profiling support ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/674 ) |
| 18:18.48 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #745: gnome-system-tools ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/745 ) |
| 18:18.49 | Zorkman | pleads not guilty |
| 18:18.51 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #764: initiating a PAN using pand gets "Permission denied (13)" ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/764 ) |
| 18:18.51 | LionKMP | -v it |
| 18:18.54 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #765: Factory Reset writes wrong environment ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/765 ) |
| 18:18.57 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #799: data abort while reading from SD Cards ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/799 ) |
| 18:19.01 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #806: Standby voltage set to 2.1V, not 1.8V as datasheet says. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/806 ) |
| 18:19.03 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #808: Nonexistent $HOME breaks stuff ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/808 ) |
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| 18:19.06 | rool1 | snickers at the chance that this bot will get kicked by freenode |
| 18:19.06 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #812: "neo1973 gsm version" command does not respond ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/812 ) |
| 18:19.07 | Zorkman | ah, I did thought it would be useful |
| 18:19.09 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #847: Shutdown if battery level goes too low ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/847 ) |
| 18:19.12 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #850: Standard Gtk+ file browser unusable ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/850 ) |
| 18:19.14 | Zoup | what does this Bugbot reports ? |
| 18:19.15 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #864: GTK filerequester is unusable on Neo1973 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/864 ) |
| 18:19.18 | phrozen77 | rool1, it wont |
| 18:19.18 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #870: During boot, init looks for psplash in /usr/bin -- which might not be mounted yet ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/870 ) |
| 18:19.21 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #872: Implement GPS and BT power in neod power button menu ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/872 ) |
| 18:19.24 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #879: File chooser dialog (gtk+) uses wrong icons ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/879 ) |
| 18:19.27 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #881: [patch] /etc/hosts should contain 192.168.0.200 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/881 ) |
| 18:19.30 | Zorkman | but I thought it would be useful if it notified of NEW bugs only when they were created, so 10bugs/day or so |
| 18:19.31 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #883: Audible GSM interference when making a call ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/883 ) |
| 18:19.34 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #895: libgsmd-tool crashes a lot on invalid inputs ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/895 ) |
| 18:19.35 | LionKMP | Zoup: all these are fixed ;-) |
| 18:19.37 | fish_ | ignore helps ;) |
| 18:19.37 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #904: volume has poor range when headphones are plugged in. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/904 ) |
| 18:19.40 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #905: media player should not try to play non-media files ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/905 ) |
| 18:19.43 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #908: Unexpected onscreen keyboard expose/collapse behavior in openmoko-terminal2 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/908 ) |
| 18:19.43 | Zoup | YAY! |
| 18:19.44 | LionKMP | fish wow!!! :D |
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| 18:19.46 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #933: event import ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/933 ) |
| 18:19.49 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #938: Excessive noise when making phone calls ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/938 ) |
| 18:19.52 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #941: Kinetic scrolling is hard to use with fingers ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/941 ) |
| 18:19.55 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #943: openmoko-browser2 segfaults when trying to open an url ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/943 ) |
| 18:19.58 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #948: Keyboard dissappears when text field has visibility turned off ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/948 ) |
| 18:19.58 | Zorkman | harnir: gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/poky/interface/reduced true |
| 18:20.01 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #952: Just some cool ideas I have been joting down. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/952 ) |
| 18:20.04 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #961: Scrolling of packages list produce unreadable content ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/961 ) |
| 18:20.07 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #970: Keyboard opens and closes in a loop ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/970 ) |
| 18:20.07 | Zorkman | me says to harnir: gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/poky/interface/reduced true |
| 18:20.10 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #971: OpenMoko restarts without warning ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/971 ) |
| 18:20.11 | Zorkman | says to harnir: gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/poky/interface/reduced true |
| 18:20.13 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #978: Package info tab opens keyboard ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/978 ) |
| 18:20.16 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #982: Mediaplayer does not allow to select files to play ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/982 ) |
| 18:20.19 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #983: Filesystem navigation does not support kinematic scrolling ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/983 ) |
| 18:20.22 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #991: PMU driver doesn't populate initial input device status ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/991 ) |
| 18:20.22 | harnir | Zorkman: I want quick launch bar... :-) |
| 18:20.25 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #995: Moko theme has too small arrows in menu ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/995 ) |
| 18:20.27 | Zorkman | aha |
| 18:20.28 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #996: Browser lack FullScreen button ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/996 ) |
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| 18:20.33 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #997: Keyboard does not popup when cursor is inside of form entry ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/997 ) |
| 18:20.34 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #998: Keyboard autorepeat is too twitchy ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/998 ) |
| 18:20.37 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1005: U-boot passthrough does not work for current gsmd ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1005 ) |
| 18:20.40 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1012: moko-gtk-theme lacks UI elements for openmoko-mediaplayer2 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1012 ) |
| 18:20.43 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1018: skewed video frames on Xglamo ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1018 ) |
| 18:20.46 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1019: Possible cross-compiler bug involving type coercion ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1019 ) |
| 18:20.49 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1020: Investigate Upstart in OpenMoko ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1020 ) |
| 18:20.50 | Zorkman | who owns this bot? |
| 18:20.52 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1024: gsm modem oscillating between registrated / not-registrated ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 ) |
| 18:20.53 | harnir | Zorkman: I already shrank the clock to a tiny size |
| 18:20.53 | phrozen77 | me |
| 18:20.55 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1040: Mediaplayer adds files to a playlist in an unpredictable order ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1040 ) |
| 18:20.58 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1041: Mediaplayer gets VBR mp3 durations incorrect ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1041 ) |
| 18:21.00 | harnir | what's with the OMBugsBot? |
| 18:21.01 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1043: Call use cases ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1043 ) |
| 18:21.04 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1054: Description field does not scroll view during entering data ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1054 ) |
| 18:21.07 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1055: "Delete event" icon is always enabled ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1055 ) |
| 18:21.10 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1057: openmoko-browser2 could really use a local file selection browser ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1057 ) |
| 18:21.11 | LionKMP | brb in 10 :D |
| 18:21.13 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1058: Web Browser renders plaintext as html -- looks ugly ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1058 ) |
| 18:21.17 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1066: [xglamo] 2D operations should not be batched ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1066 ) |
| 18:21.19 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1074: Change Root Password ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1074 ) |
| 18:21.22 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1079: Dialer does not work - method does not exist ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1079 ) |
| 18:21.25 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1084: PUK Support ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1084 ) |
| 18:21.28 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1088: Move production test code out of U-Boot into kernel module ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1088 ) |
| 18:21.31 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1091: gllin package installs into /home instead of /usr ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1091 ) |
| 18:21.34 | balrog-k1n | phrozen77: why don't you kill it? |
| 18:21.34 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1092: gllin outputs uncompressed NMEA log, crashes on disk full ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1092 ) |
| 18:21.37 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1105: Blanking GTA01 LCD doesn't switch off display refresh ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1105 ) |
| 18:21.41 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1107: Italian translation missing ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1107 ) |
| 18:21.43 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1109: Translations for openmoko-today are not possible ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1109 ) |
| 18:21.46 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1115: avoid busy looping to wait for glamo engine idle state ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1115 ) |
| 18:21.49 | Zorkman | admiral0: where did you find illume-config-illume?? |
| 18:21.50 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1127: Italian translation missing ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1127 ) |
| 18:21.52 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1130: the stat() system call hangs when the argument is a remote folder ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1130 ) |
| 18:21.55 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1131: SIM does not register with network ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1131 ) |
| 18:21.56 | admiral0 | testing |
| 18:21.58 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1133: some games menu don't fit on screen ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1133 ) |
| 18:22.00 | admiral0 | calm down |
| 18:22.02 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1136: GSM panel applet keeps on displaying 'Connected to GSM network' notification ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1136 ) |
| 18:22.05 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1158: Charging stops even while connected ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1158 ) |
| 18:22.05 | phrozen77 | balrog-k1n, why would i when i sort of just created it? |
| 18:22.07 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1161: openmoko-terminal2 - wrong $HOME variable in env ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1161 ) |
| 18:22.11 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1162: New message event appear only with specific hardware/software configuration ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1162 ) |
| 18:22.14 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1172: cannot hear any sound from dialer in GTA02 ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1172 ) |
| 18:22.17 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1175: Automatic ipkg kernel upgrade needs stricter sanity check ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1175 ) |
| 18:22.18 | phrozen77 | as i said |
| 18:22.19 | doc|work | admiral0: it's a bot (and an irritating one at that) |
| 18:22.20 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1176: Truncated u-boot printout of kernel version string ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1176 ) |
| 18:22.21 | admiral0 | enlightenment SEG Fed |
| 18:22.23 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1179: Mobile phone hands after 'shutdown now' from the command line ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1179 ) |
| 18:22.23 | balrog-k1n | phrozen77: because it violates various important rules ;) |
| 18:22.26 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1183: Suggested initscripts for gllin and gpsd ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1183 ) |
| 18:22.26 | phrozen77 | it will post the contents of the feed at first |
| 18:22.26 | ernstfr | :to the bot use fso |
| 18:22.29 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1189: Click on the program category line in the Application manager does not always open the category list. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1189 ) |
| 18:22.32 | phrozen77 | but will stfu after that |
| 18:22.33 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1192: unknown reason cause TI GSM modem always return "+CME ERROR: 512" ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1192 ) |
| 18:22.34 | admiral0 | doc|work: i know |
| 18:22.34 | *** join/#openmoko MokoN00b (n=huizong@118-168-235-52.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 18:22.35 | balrog-k1n | and may get you into trubole |
| 18:22.36 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1193: Severe performance problems with Pulseaudio ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1193 ) |
| 18:22.36 | phrozen77 | and only post new bugs |
| 18:22.37 | abraxa_ | phrozen77: Cause no one wants the bot?! |
| 18:22.39 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1194: Touchscreen Jitter ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1194 ) |
| 18:22.42 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1195: gsmd can't pass pressure testing ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1195 ) |
| 18:22.45 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1197: Some messages are to high ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1197 ) |
| 18:22.48 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1198: Audio (via headphone jack) doesn't couple well to some line-inputs ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1198 ) |
| 18:22.51 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1199: gps power status ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1199 ) |
| 18:22.54 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1200: bluetooth power status ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1200 ) |
| 18:22.56 | Zorkman | wants the bug IF it only posts new bugs |
| 18:23.03 | phrozen77 | *shrug* |
| 18:23.04 | admiral0 | i said to Zorkman to calm because when i tried it it didn't work |
| 18:23.16 | admiral0 | phrozen77:LOL |
| 18:23.21 | Zorkman | :) |
| 18:23.28 | phrozen77 | hm wait |
| 18:23.40 | Zorkman | ah, sorry if I didn't make that implession but I am calm :) |
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| 18:24.12 | phrozen77 | technically, now it should stfu |
| 18:24.14 | Zorkman | harnir: gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/poky/interface/small_clock true |
| 18:24.17 | phrozen77 | unless new bugs come up |
| 18:24.19 | admiral0 | i'l say if it works when it finishes( i broke illume today :() |
| 18:24.21 | abraxa_ | Zorkman: If you want new bugs, subscribe to the bug list, dammit. |
| 18:24.28 | harnir | Zorkman: yes, got that one |
| 18:24.38 | harnir | but it still sits there and steals CPU |
| 18:24.41 | ernstfr | does anyone use fr with a webcam ? |
| 18:24.46 | Zorkman | harnir: restart x |
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| 18:25.11 | harnir | Zorkman: no, I have small clock already |
| 18:25.18 | harnir | I want to get rid of it. |
| 18:25.19 | abraxa_ | I for one am pretty pissed that this bot is going to spam this channel with useless information that very few care about and can get it someplace else easily |
| 18:25.22 | Dave | Haw haw |
| 18:25.30 | phrozen77 | abraxa_, /ignore |
| 18:25.31 | Dave | That's what you get. |
| 18:25.42 | admiral0 | testing repos > /etc/opkg/.. ... and then opkg update/upgrade |
| 18:25.51 | Dave | roflcopter |
| 18:25.53 | admiral0 | let's see if it doesn'r kill me |
| 18:26.34 | fish_ | what says the weather forcast about the current 2008.8-update? ;) |
| 18:26.47 | admiral0 | fish_: very stormy |
| 18:26.55 | phrozen77 | fish_, a shitstorm |
| 18:26.59 | admiral0 | a hell of a monsoon |
| 18:26.59 | fish_ | anyone tried it? i tried 2008.8 from 25. and it didn't work at all |
| 18:27.03 | abraxa_ | phrozen77: Why should I? The people who want this information can SIGN UP |
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| 18:27.18 | rool1 | who else uses om2007? |
| 18:27.23 | ernstfr | blame for fr |
| 18:27.44 | Zorkman | me |
| 18:27.46 | ernstfr | use asu unstable |
| 18:27.48 | fish_ | phrozen77: guess than i'll have to wait |
| 18:27.55 | ernstfr | the best |
| 18:28.04 | harnir | rool1: I got it. |
| 18:28.33 | admiral0 | ernstfr: why asu unstable? |
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| 18:29.42 | ernstfr | less bugs than stable milestone |
| 18:29.52 | ernstfr | 2 |
| 18:29.53 | admiral0 | really? |
| 18:30.03 | admiral0 | O_O |
| 18:30.06 | ernstfr | :) |
| 18:30.21 | admiral0 | i'm upgrading to testing |
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| 18:30.27 | ernstfr | i think so |
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| 18:31.14 | ernstfr | unstable is b3\etter then testing |
| 18:31.26 | admiral0 | i'll see |
| 18:31.36 | ernstfr | but you can not recive calls |
| 18:31.51 | admiral0 | ?????! |
| 18:32.00 | ernstfr | in testinng too |
| 18:32.11 | doc|work | so, qtopia.net down? |
| 18:32.35 | admiral0 | ernstfr why? |
| 18:32.40 | wyze | man 2008 really sucks |
| 18:32.47 | doc|work | yup |
| 18:32.53 | admiral0 | yeah |
| 18:33.05 | wyze | stuck with 2007 i guess |
| 18:33.07 | admiral0 | 2007 is really better |
| 18:33.07 | b0ib0t | *yawn* i'm ready for bed |
| 18:33.51 | b0ib0t | so can freerunner get and send calls? |
| 18:34.03 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1904: om2008.8 wifi don't get always an ipv4 ip ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1904 ) |
| 18:34.03 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1903: zhone_git.bb do_compile failed ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1903 ) |
| 18:34.05 | b0ib0t | yah or nah |
| 18:34.09 | doc|work | b0ib0t: yep, best to go with qtopia if you want a stable phone |
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| 18:34.14 | b0ib0t | ah kewl |
| 18:35.11 | ernstfr | i dont know , sorry my fr pidgin chat makes my hand sleep |
| 18:35.35 | ernstfr | no bloodd in hand |
| 18:35.42 | admiral0 | lol |
| 18:35.51 | Zorkman | yay |
| 18:36.19 | Zorkman | does anyone get romoko to work?? |
| 18:36.50 | ernstfr | q buut without m sd card then it crashed |
| 18:36.51 | UndrWater | romoko? the remote thingy? |
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| 18:37.03 | UndrWater | remoko? |
| 18:37.05 | Zorkman | yeah bluetooth remote |
| 18:37.18 | Zorkman | it's built like a nuclear shelter |
| 18:37.24 | UndrWater | i haven't tried it yet |
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| 18:37.35 | Zorkman | if it can't connecto to anything (which it never can here) you have to killall -9 python |
| 18:37.51 | bumbl | lol |
| 18:37.53 | Zorkman | wow |
| 18:38.22 | Zorkman | whe nin uboot my ps3 suddenly detected a parrot ck3100 :) probably from someone nearby... |
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| 18:41.03 | Bill_ | ok.. let's see if my fso build env works.. |
| 18:41.33 | Zorkman | I bet you five bugreports it wont :P |
| 18:41.42 | Bill_ | lol.. why so? |
| 18:41.52 | AntonTakk | :-\ |
| 18:42.07 | Zorkman | I have the Sight |
| 18:42.24 | AntonTakk | the default action in my case statement keeps running as well as what ever choice is made |
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| 18:42.39 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 18:42.40 | admiral0 | Zorkman: lmao |
| 18:42.51 | phrozen77 | Zorkman, so, what do you think? OMBugsBot stay or OMBugsBot go? |
| 18:43.12 | ieatlint | Dave, it's 95%+ done ... working really, more than stable enough to build a UI on it.. |
| 18:43.19 | ieatlint | and now i need to go start some laundry |
| 18:43.21 | dolf1074 | i vote for stay |
| 18:43.30 | Zorkman | i vote stay |
| 18:43.45 | phrozen77 | OPINIONS OPINIONS |
| 18:43.47 | phrozen77 | :) |
| 18:43.48 | Zorkman | ieatlint: congratz |
| 18:43.52 | ieatlint | for i second i thought people were telling me to not do laundry |
| 18:43.53 | ieatlint | :P |
| 18:44.06 | phrozen77 | ieatlint, do MOAR laundry |
| 18:44.07 | admiral0 | hi ieatlint |
| 18:44.07 | Zorkman | :D |
| 18:44.07 | phrozen77 | :) |
| 18:44.40 | Zorkman | i installed that stupid illume-config-illume (what's in a name?) to no avail |
| 18:44.49 | ieatlint | hello |
| 18:44.56 | phrozen77 | ok |
| 18:44.59 | Zorkman | but i have that matchbox keyboard installed, so i'll delete it first admiral0 and try again |
| 18:44.59 | phrozen77 | so it is stay then |
| 18:45.11 | admiral0 | .. |
| 18:45.18 | admiral0 | i told you it's useless |
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| 18:45.47 | Zorkman | yeah but my moko has good mojo (my eightball told me so) so I tried it |
| 18:46.10 | doc|work | ljp: lpotter is qtopia.net down? |
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| 18:48.13 | admiral0 | Zorkman: never trust 8ball. Last time one 8ball convinced me to install om-2008.08 first release |
| 18:48.23 | phrozen77 | lol |
| 18:49.21 | admiral0 | result:FAIL |
| 18:49.38 | phrozen77 | 2008.8 - now with moar fail |
| 18:49.52 | retracile | 8ball: outlook not so good -- well, it got that one right... |
| 18:51.24 | b0ib0t | The Purple Stargate Ball says: That's what you get for dickin' around |
| 18:52.37 | admiral0 | :D |
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| 18:53.07 | bumbl | admiral0: nah; eightball can't be wrong |
| 18:54.07 | admiral0 | why is opkg so slow? my beard is getting long and white |
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| 18:55.51 | admiral0 | the keyboard... |
| 18:55.54 | admiral0 | well. |
| 18:55.59 | admiral0 | fuck it |
| 18:56.05 | admiral0 | i'm going out |
| 18:56.08 | admiral0 | bye |
| 18:56.12 | Zorkman | bye |
| 18:56.17 | Zorkman | take a usefull phone with you :p |
| 18:56.35 | admiral0 | (i have the qtopia kbd :P) |
| 18:56.47 | doc|work | how do you backspace with that? |
| 18:56.57 | Zorkman | stroke from right to left |
| 18:56.59 | bumbl | slide left to right |
| 18:57.03 | doc|work | hmmm, didn't work for me |
| 18:57.10 | doc|work | should try it with a stylus |
| 18:57.12 | doc|work | oh, and space? |
| 18:57.16 | doc|work | left to right? |
| 18:57.31 | Zorkman | space is left to right, backspace right to left |
| 18:57.41 | dolf1074 | doc|work: backspace should better work with your finger |
| 18:58.23 | doc|work | nope, nothing's happening on space |
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| 18:58.30 | doc|work | or backspace |
| 18:59.08 | Zorkman | strange doc|work |
| 18:59.17 | Zorkman | I currently have NO keyboard anymore :) |
| 19:00.07 | Zorkman | raster, you there? |
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| 19:02.29 | retracile | Hm. Starting a simple pygtk app seems to take a second or two on my FR. Is that about what others are seeing? |
| 19:02.38 | peepsalot | is there a way to update all packages in one step from the Om2008.8 gui installer? |
| 19:02.54 | Zorkman | peepsalot: no, i added a bugreport on that one |
| 19:02.57 | peepsalot | i haven't updated in weeks, and it would take me forever to do this one at a time |
| 19:03.00 | peepsalot | argh |
| 19:03.19 | Zorkman | peepsalot: why don't you use opkg ? |
| 19:03.56 | peepsalot | what's that installer api or whatever called that the gui installer uses? |
| 19:04.20 | peepsalot | can't remember the name at the moment |
| 19:04.33 | Zorkman | assassin |
| 19:04.40 | Torikun | How do you see your new programs on debian |
| 19:04.56 | peepsalot | no, assassin runs on top of some generic installer backend |
| 19:05.10 | Zorkman | opkg? |
| 19:05.15 | UndrWater | Zorkman: isn't it exposure? |
| 19:05.25 | Zorkman | exposure was the settings app I think |
| 19:05.31 | Zorkman | (all those goth names... :)) |
| 19:05.31 | peepsalot | nope, it's a layer that goes between opkg and assassin |
| 19:05.32 | UndrWater | i thought assassin was only the wifi thing |
| 19:05.42 | Zorkman | UndrWater: that is diversity :) |
| 19:05.52 | Zorkman | (i think :)) |
| 19:05.52 | UndrWater | ugh ;) |
| 19:06.00 | Bill_ | damn.. L7500 is just too bloody slow.. |
| 19:06.04 | peepsalot | Zorkman i can't use opkg now cause the middle layer still has administrative lock |
| 19:06.22 | peepsalot | there is a command line tool for that middle layer, i just can't remember what it's called now |
| 19:06.44 | Zorkman | packagekitd |
| 19:06.48 | Zorkman | killall packagekitd |
| 19:07.22 | Zorkman | (i win the prize? ^^) |
| 19:07.58 | AntonTakk | hands Zorkman a warm squishy object |
| 19:07.58 | peepsalot | Zorkman, yeah that's the thing i'm thinking of. an pkcon is the cli tool |
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| 19:08.09 | Bill_ | Zorkman: not yet.. still builds.. just could be faster |
| 19:08.39 | Zorkman | :) |
| 19:08.47 | peepsalot | pkcon has nifty cli progress bars |
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| 19:10.01 | phrozen77 | meh |
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| 19:10.10 | phrozen77 | the room maid threw away my pizza leftovers |
| 19:10.13 | phrozen77 | :[ |
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| 19:10.56 | UndrWater | those are the best parts...especially after they've had time to harden a bit ;) |
| 19:11.05 | phrozen77 | yeah |
| 19:11.08 | phrozen77 | i so should sue them |
| 19:11.08 | phrozen77 | :P |
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| 19:11.33 | peepsalot | wow, pkcon updated dropbear over ssh without dying |
| 19:11.50 | peepsalot | how's that work |
| 19:12.01 | peepsalot | or maybe it's not done yet... |
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| 19:14.29 | peepsalot | Zorkman you know the bug # for the gui update all request you made? |
| 19:14.50 | Zorkman | lemme search |
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| 19:15.25 | peepsalot | Zorkman, nm i think i found it |
| 19:15.27 | peepsalot | sorry |
| 19:15.37 | peepsalot | 1893 |
| 19:16.04 | Zorkman | https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1893 |
| 19:16.11 | Zorkman | ah i see |
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| 19:17.55 | peepsalot | hmm, updater seems to only download at about 50KiB/s seems a little slow |
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| 19:27.03 | b0ib0t | KICK ASS!!! |
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| 19:27.19 | b0ib0t | its almost the weekend!!! |
| 19:27.28 | b0ib0t | its been a looooong week |
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| 19:28.03 | b0ib0t | a long hard week |
| 19:28.06 | b0ib0t | a throbbing week |
| 19:28.26 | peepsalot | no |
| 19:28.27 | UndrWater | stop right there |
| 19:28.35 | bumbl | not that hard and not longer than all the other weeks before |
| 19:28.44 | b0ib0t | by that i mean throbbing headaches XD |
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| 19:28.54 | rooly | long hard throbbing headaches? |
| 19:29.00 | b0ib0t | no |
| 19:29.07 | b0ib0t | long hard weeks that cause throbbing headaches |
| 19:29.14 | b0ib0t | ;] |
| 19:29.34 | bumbl | what localtime b0ib0t? 15:29? |
| 19:29.44 | rooly | this sounds like a job for TLC |
| 19:30.00 | b0ib0t | yep 15:29 |
| 19:30.11 | peepsalot | bah, so much for pkcon: The daemon crashed mid-transaction! |
| 19:30.26 | rooly | btw, has the timezone bug been fixed yet? |
| 19:30.49 | bumbl | 21:30 here |
| 19:30.54 | phrozen77 | same |
| 19:31.03 | rooly | 14:30 |
| 19:31.07 | bumbl | -> weekend has already started |
| 19:31.13 | bumbl | for me |
| 19:31.20 | b0ib0t | lucky |
| 19:31.26 | rooly | me too |
| 19:31.33 | rooly | friday august 29th, 2:30 pm |
| 19:31.33 | peepsalot | is there anywhere i can look for a basic state of the union for openmoko softare, if I haven't been paying attention the past couple weeks. the status of the most prominent bugs, etc? |
| 19:31.39 | rooly | weekend started at 11:am |
| 19:31.41 | b0ib0t | my freerunner still isnt here so i'm gonna take my scooter(as in motorscooter) on a 200mi cruise |
| 19:31.47 | b0ib0t | to a hotel that has heated pools |
| 19:31.49 | b0ib0t | ^^ |
| 19:31.54 | peepsalot | any major improvements lately? |
| 19:32.11 | rooly | yeah, om2007 works like a champ, peepsalot |
| 19:33.52 | peepsalot | rooly, better than 2008.8 for now? |
| 19:33.57 | phrozen77 | indeed |
| 19:34.05 | peepsalot | what has changed lately? |
| 19:34.05 | rooly | imo, yeah |
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| 19:34.24 | rooly | 2008 is still written almost entirely in python |
| 19:34.35 | b0ib0t | what is qtopia written in? |
| 19:34.41 | peepsalot | i like python :-D |
| 19:34.49 | rooly | c, but it's slow due to the x11 port |
| 19:35.00 | Ark1 | +1 python |
| 19:35.01 | b0ib0t | is 08 fast? |
| 19:35.01 | peepsalot | b0ib0t, c++ mostly AFAIK |
| 19:35.06 | rooly | no |
| 19:35.09 | rooly | it's not |
| 19:35.09 | b0ib0t | lmao |
| 19:35.11 | b0ib0t | figures |
| 19:35.18 | rooly | it's the absolute opposite of fast |
| 19:35.20 | b0ib0t | i wouldnt want a vm running my wm |
| 19:35.36 | peepsalot | rooly, last time i tried 2007 it was just as slow, felt slower actually |
| 19:35.57 | peepsalot | at least menu in 2008 was at least somewhat responsive |
| 19:36.21 | rooly | 2008 is better software, no doubt |
| 19:36.45 | b0ib0t | i have coded a ui from the ground up in C, maybe i should turn it into a wm hehe |
| 19:36.53 | rooly | but there are issues using it that i just can't accept |
| 19:36.54 | b0ib0t | runs straight off framebuffer |
| 19:37.24 | b0ib0t | i have no ideas how wms work or how they are designed though |
| 19:37.42 | ecraven | b0ib0t: lot's of interfacing with X11 |
| 19:37.56 | ecraven | is tichy still being developed? |
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| 19:38.17 | rooly | iunno |
| 19:38.23 | rooly | but irrth is about to start being developed |
| 19:38.40 | b0ib0t | are there any websites or books that talk about designing wms? |
| 19:39.47 | sicu | ecraven: in cdevel they were talking about tichy being built and added to the feed at 1500hrs gmt+1 |
| 19:39.58 | ecraven | sicu: thanks |
| 19:40.07 | ecraven | b0ib0t: go get a simple one, read the source |
| 19:40.18 | ecraven | there's also a bunch of inter-client communication protocols, ICCCM i think |
| 19:41.42 | sicu | ecraven: btw, that was FSO feeds |
| 19:42.07 | sicu | think they were talking about adding firefox too |
| 19:42.08 | ecraven | yes, but so it's still alive and kicking :) |
| 19:42.16 | sicu | indeed =) |
| 19:42.59 | b0ib0t | ecraven, blackbox? |
| 19:43.16 | rooly | minimo crashes |
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| 19:43.41 | ecraven | b0ib0t: yes, though maybe better an older version |
| 19:43.58 | ecraven | b0ib0t: http://tronche.com/gui/x/icccm/ |
| 19:44.24 | ecraven | mainly the "client to window manager" part :) |
| 19:44.41 | TeLLuS | Hi, any special reason we do not fix resolv.conf DNS in OM2008.8? I added the missing files and changed the link make it work when I test it on the wireless.. Atleast one time.. because of the dhcp issue but that is probably my next issue.. |
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| 19:44.56 | sol | what i would like to see on OM is the gui version os links |
| 19:45.00 | sol | it works extremely quickly even on old systems |
| 19:45.06 | sol | its not perfect but its great :D |
| 19:45.29 | UndrWater | sol: i'm pretty sure it's in angstrom repo...i remember installing it |
| 19:45.31 | sol | it seems to be pretty portable too...theres a DOS version even :D |
| 19:45.33 | sol | ahhh |
| 19:45.41 | sol | im using qtopia atm because i need some stability |
| 19:45.50 | UndrWater | my turn: ahhh |
| 19:46.02 | doc|work | does qtopia have a webbrowser? or gps/mapping app? |
| 19:46.21 | UndrWater | i'm a stable person..not worries about using unfinished software ;) |
| 19:46.28 | sol | doc|home; yes to both, but the web browsers are crappy, at least with what ive found |
| 19:46.34 | UndrWater | doc|work: in 4.4 |
| 19:46.42 | doc|work | sol: ok, thanks |
| 19:46.51 | UndrWater | "any time now" |
| 19:46.54 | sol | hits on a link 5 times |
| 19:46.56 | doc|work | UndrWater: yeah :) |
| 19:47.00 | sol | YAY i think its doing something! |
| 19:47.03 | doc|work | qtopia.net dead too :/ |
| 19:47.07 | sol | heh |
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| 19:49.03 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1905: packagekit daemon crashing due to interactive pacakge install? ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1905 ) |
| 19:49.04 | peepsalot | is there anything flashing an image can give you that updating through opkg would not? |
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| 19:54.12 | wurp2|working | peepsalot: kernel updates? |
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| 19:54.56 | peepsalot | i'm pretty sure opkg can do kernel updates |
| 19:55.02 | doc|work | I would hope so |
| 19:55.12 | wurp2|working | Not last I heard |
| 19:55.20 | wurp2|working | Admittedly, that was many weeks ago |
| 19:55.22 | ieatlint | it can |
| 19:55.47 | lpotter | flashing an image can give you a known workable state |
| 19:56.01 | peepsalot | what the hell is diversity wifi supposed to do? it just shows an expanding rectangle, and sometimes I see an AP in it. |
| 19:56.01 | doc|work | lpotter: qtopia.net dead? |
| 19:56.22 | lpotter | doc|work: apparently to most network traffic |
| 19:56.38 | doc|work | ok, thanks |
| 19:56.47 | lpotter | what did you need from it? |
| 19:57.04 | doc|work | wasn't to install stuff, got wifi working and wanted to play |
| 19:57.07 | doc|work | er, wanted |
| 19:57.16 | lpotter | oh ok |
| 19:57.23 | doc|work | tries again s/wasn't/wanted |
| 19:57.49 | doc|work | one last question, any updated eta on qtopia 4.4? :) |
| 19:58.28 | lpotter | not that I can mention |
| 19:58.32 | doc|work | ok, thanks |
| 19:58.40 | wurp2|working | Looking at the chat logs, apparently since about 3 or 4 weeks ago opkg kernel updates have worked |
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| 20:03.42 | peepsalot | is diversity supposed to be able to connect to wifi, or just show a square with wifi access point names in it |
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| 20:09.22 | Zoup | How can i turn off the screen by shell ? |
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| 20:13.29 | Zoup | Zoup: echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/backlight/pcf50633-bl/bl_power |
| 20:15.05 | peepsalot | looks at Zoup strangley |
| 20:15.17 | peepsalot | strangely even |
| 20:17.23 | sirkha_top | where are the .desktop files for the illume launcher kept? or are they? |
| 20:20.21 | Zoup | peepsalot: hehe, i have asked a question and answered myself :) |
| 20:22.45 | Zorkman | anybody knows something about bluetooth? |
| 20:23.10 | Zorkman | I'm trying to get it to work with my ps3 but it always gives an error |
| 20:23.28 | Zorkman | is there a log i can consult on the FR about what goes wrong? |
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| 20:26.52 | zedstar_ | wot ya trying to do zorkman? |
| 20:27.01 | Zorkman | just trying to get it to work :) |
| 20:27.02 | UndrWater | distro-feed-configs ipk on FSO site gets arch complaint...anyone have a workaround? |
| 20:27.11 | Zorkman | like use it as a bluetooth keyboard |
| 20:27.37 | zedstar_ | zorkman on a ps3? |
| 20:27.42 | Zorkman | yes |
| 20:27.49 | Zorkman | it detects the bluez (0) |
| 20:28.00 | Zorkman | but when i try to connect with remoko it instantly gives an error |
| 20:28.12 | UndrWater | need bluepin? |
| 20:28.15 | zedstar_ | zorkman the ps3 broadcast it name as bluez (0) / |
| 20:28.16 | zedstar_ | ? |
| 20:28.16 | Zorkman | when i try to connect withouth remoko it shows a message for a split second and then gives an error |
| 20:28.26 | Zorkman | no, the FR is bluez (0) |
| 20:28.35 | Zorkman | i try to connect my FR to my PS3 |
| 20:28.37 | nyu | Zoup|Zzzzz: by killing X? |
| 20:28.43 | Zorkman | to use the FR as bluetooth keyboard for example |
| 20:28.51 | zedstar_ | ah i see |
| 20:29.02 | UndrWater | Zorkman: does the PS require a pin? |
| 20:29.05 | Dave___ | Hmm? |
| 20:29.10 | Dave___ | You get that working yet zorkman? |
| 20:29.22 | zedstar_ | the ps3 uses standard bluetooth for controllers and stuff? |
| 20:29.39 | Zorkman | UndrWater: When using remoko it doesn't promt me, but when I don't start remoko it does give me a number |
| 20:29.52 | Zorkman | (but it's too fast to read, i only could read the message once while i was rebooting the phone) |
| 20:30.24 | Zorkman | zedstar_: I think it does, there is a menu entry to pair a bluetooth device |
| 20:31.12 | Zorkman | it specifically sites "devices such as headsets, keyboards or mice" those are things remoko can emulate.. (exept the headset) |
| 20:31.55 | Zorkman | once again: I'm shutting down the phone and in this case the PAss Key stays shown aand it does not display an error |
| 20:32.00 | zedstar_ | im amazed sony used anything standard! |
| 20:32.12 | Zorkman | you can also use standard usb keyboard or mouse |
| 20:32.25 | Zorkman | or replace the hd with a standard laptop hd |
| 20:32.53 | Zorkman | anyway, it's not very important to me |
| 20:32.58 | Tronic | Sony used USB in PS2! |
| 20:33.00 | Zorkman | but connecting the ps3 controller to the FR is :) |
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| 20:34.46 | harnir | hi again :-) |
| 20:34.46 | Zorkman | hi |
| 20:34.59 | harnir | it's that crazy Pole ;-) |
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| 20:35.44 | Zorkman | I lost my keyboard |
| 20:35.48 | Zorkman | probably stolen by a pole :p |
| 20:35.58 | Zorkman | (one of the prejudices in my country ;-)) |
| 20:36.12 | harnir | Zorkman: which is? |
| 20:36.17 | CM | Zorkman: A ten foot pole? |
| 20:36.25 | Zorkman | poles (and east europeans in general) steal things :) |
| 20:36.37 | Zorkman | mind you: I said a prejudice, it's not something i agree with |
| 20:36.40 | harnir | any way to restore sound after suspend from the command line? |
| 20:36.45 | CM | THe prejdices we have in Sweden is that the polish truck drivers always have beer to sell |
| 20:36.51 | Zorkman | :D |
| 20:36.57 | phrozen77 | lol |
| 20:36.59 | CM | (Not sure it's a prejudice though, they always do) |
| 20:36.59 | Zorkman | that your own fault for being so damn expensive |
| 20:37.05 | CM | Hehe, oh yes |
| 20:37.08 | Zorkman | that's called a fact :) |
| 20:37.11 | zedstar_ | in london if u want a builder the poles are the best! |
| 20:37.22 | CM | Same here |
| 20:37.31 | Zorkman | in my town I also hear a lot of polish on construction yards :) |
| 20:37.35 | CM | It's a nice country to visit too :) |
| 20:37.36 | Zorkman | mostly after normal hours though :p |
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| 20:38.41 | Zorkman | goddamn bluetooth! |
| 20:38.58 | Zorkman | notooth or blueeye would be a better name |
| 20:39.11 | zedstar_ | i wanna plot bluetooth names on google maps! |
| 20:39.19 | zedstar_ | log the coordinates of the devices seen |
| 20:39.23 | harnir | I think I have even better one ;-) |
| 20:39.32 | iperry | does anybody know which app captures the aux keypresses? I can see the dbus events getting dispatched but don't know which program is responsible for handling it. i want to hijack it to do what i want. |
| 20:40.02 | zedstar_ | see which country has the most offensive bluetooth names |
| 20:40.34 | Zorkman | :) |
| 20:40.45 | zedstar_ | UK would win ! |
| 20:40.46 | Dave | booooooooooooooo |
| 20:41.06 | UndrWater | harnir: amen!! let us know if you have any luck! |
| 20:41.34 | Dave | hmm? |
| 20:41.37 | Dave | What's going on now? |
| 20:41.55 | zedstar_ | we going dogging Dave wanna come? |
| 20:42.00 | CM | zedstar_: If you have some time, listen to this podcast: http://fora.tv/media/rss/Long_Now_Podcasts/podcast-2008-08-08-suarez.mp3 |
| 20:42.16 | CM | zedstar_: It's about that. Logging coordinates of people at all times |
| 20:42.19 | CM | :) |
| 20:42.33 | CM | And more stuff. Bots in general. Really interesting :) |
| 20:42.44 | zedstar_ | CM cool....thanks |
| 20:42.56 | CM | needs to get that book, Daemon |
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| 20:44.22 | Torikun | http://rusher.webhop.org:69/wordpress/?page_id=116 <--The Linux and Open Source Technology Podcast |
| 20:44.59 | Zorkman | Dave: it's raster's last day @openmoko, shouldn't we host a party? :) |
| 20:45.31 | Zorkman | altough I don't know if he likes IRC beer... |
| 20:46.00 | zedstar_ | im on the beers |
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| 20:47.22 | Torikun | 8================D Uh oh here I come |
| 20:47.23 | Chox | bitches+dave+bbq |
| 20:47.24 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:48.02 | Zorkman | yay, Chow is taking a break from his eternal bbq of the wtf mind |
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| 20:48.36 | Zorkman | Chox I've been typing too many gramatical and spelling errors while you were bbq'ing :) |
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| 20:51.45 | jucs | Hey ;-) |
| 20:52.08 | UndrWater | anyone here running fso? |
| 20:52.45 | Torikun | anyone here take calls? |
| 20:53.01 | nyu | calls? in a phone? |
| 20:53.04 | Zorkman | I can take calls, but don't use my SIM with the FR |
| 20:53.13 | nyu | you gotta be kidding. a phone is just for playing wesnoth |
| 20:53.16 | Zorkman | not always thoug (re-registerein on 2007.2) |
| 20:53.28 | Zorkman | goddamn you nyu :) |
| 20:53.32 | Zorkman | does it play smooth btw? |
| 20:53.39 | Zorkman | long loading times I presume |
| 20:53.41 | zedstar_ | dont make out u know people that might call u ;) |
| 20:53.43 | nyu | it plays smooth, but it doesn't load smooth |
| 20:54.04 | nyu | and buttons are slow to respond |
| 20:54.11 | nyu | OTOH, warriors are not! |
| 20:54.30 | Zorkman | nyu: I heard it will all become better once you make an ipk for FSO/2007.2/2008.8 ;-P |
| 20:55.00 | nyu | nah I'll debian-ize everything else eventually ;-) |
| 20:55.15 | nyu | I spotted a small bug with the tinygui build option |
| 20:55.49 | Zorkman | grr i hate not being able to set 2008.8 to double tap |
| 20:55.55 | nyu | some images are scaled down unnecessarily |
| 20:57.18 | Dave | DOUBLE TAP! |
| 20:58.40 | malik1972 | Zorkman: is there a right click available in 2008.8? |
| 20:58.52 | Zorkman | not that i know of... |
| 20:59.00 | Torikun | ok, the battery on the free runner really sucks |
| 20:59.02 | Zorkman | there is a modified tslib for debian i think |
| 20:59.12 | Zorkman | Torikun: no, the FR sucks the battery |
| 20:59.17 | Torikun | ah |
| 20:59.19 | Torikun | my bad =) |
| 20:59.23 | soltys | ;> |
| 20:59.30 | Torikun | In soviet russia, freerunners suck you@ |
| 20:59.52 | Zorkman | i wouldn't risk it with all those bugs.. you probably will catch 27 awfull deseases |
| 21:00.16 | Zorkman | damned, should have typed catch 22 awfull deseases :) |
| 21:00.53 | retracile | Is 2008.8 using matchbox for the window manager? |
| 21:02.47 | malik1972 | Zorkman: yes, i use the debian tslib since two weeks |
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| 21:05.54 | spydon | what is the package name for Kobo Deluxe? |
| 21:06.21 | spydon | oh found it :p |
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| 21:19.11 | harnir | ok, I need a suggestion about keyboard |
| 21:19.43 | harnir | I've made a specific "mode" for entering numbers, IP addresses, MAC addresses, and so on |
| 21:20.03 | harnir | tell me if there are good chars on it, or I should change somethig |
| 21:20.35 | harnir | it's here: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/3578b264452b37b4182dc928effd437a.png |
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| 21:25.40 | retracile | harnir: what is the underlying keyboard you're using? |
| 21:25.42 | spydon | harnir, looks good to me |
| 21:25.55 | spydon | probably the matchbox keyboard |
| 21:26.37 | harnir | matchbox-keyboard |
| 21:26.44 | harnir | I want it white on black... |
| 21:26.52 | retracile | spydon: that's what I expect, but wanted to check... and see if there was a good document describing how to create those. |
| 21:27.09 | retracile | wants a jumpx style mode |
| 21:27.14 | harnir | retracile: there's good README file in Debian package |
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| 21:28.25 | retracile | starts reading |
| 21:28.31 | retracile | thanks, harnir |
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| 21:29.00 | harnir | yw |
| 21:29.52 | harnir | spydon: any extra or not needed chars you would think of on this "numeric" keyboard? |
| 21:30.49 | spydon | harnir, maybe & |
| 21:30.54 | retracile | harnir: how do you switch modes on the kbd? |
| 21:31.09 | harnir | retracile: lower left key, <=> |
| 21:31.34 | harnir | spydon: will do |
| 21:31.47 | retracile | Hrm... I don't see one of those on the default layout... uh... |
| 21:32.07 | spydon | harnir, I dont think I will use the & but maybe someone else :P |
| 21:32.10 | harnir | retracile: it's not default :-) |
| 21:32.59 | harnir | retracile: more images of my keyboard: |
| 21:33.28 | harnir | default mode, text writing: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/af290fcacab29dbe389488971209dcf7.png |
| 21:33.40 | harnir | def mode, big letters: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/50788cd7e4a471ed24fb175f512a8318.png |
| 21:34.01 | harnir | def mode, misc chars: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/17ee6c66623eeacbe6e07d5eda639447.png |
| 21:35.26 | harnir | check out ^[ on the default keyboard - it's Esc, so you can use vim. ;-) |
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| 21:35.46 | retracile | harnir: cool. Are you retaining the qwerty layout as well? |
| 21:35.52 | harnir | ^C is of course Control, so you can do Ctrl+C in terminal, or kill line - Ctrl+U |
| 21:36.05 | harnir | retracile: it's on the default layout |
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| 21:36.56 | harnir | retracile: full keyboard (as in default matchbox layout) is too small IMO on FR screen. |
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| 21:37.20 | harnir | my version can be used with fingers, but I still prefer stylus |
| 21:37.36 | harnir | and you have full 101 keyboard in there anyway |
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| 21:38.20 | alx___ | harnir: your version? (sorry, just joined, missed the beginning) |
| 21:38.39 | harnir | OK, I'll go now and make a page about it |
| 21:38.48 | alx___ | thanks :) |
| 21:39.11 | harnir | alx___: my version of matchbox-keyboard |
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| 21:39.45 | darkjames | Hi. |
| 21:40.50 | retracile | harnir: I'm still trying to understand how you switch modes... the <=> key doesn't exist on my keyboard. I see keyboard-extended.xml in the /usr/share/matchbox-keyboard directory for instance. Is that accessible somehow? |
| 21:41.27 | TeXitoi | retracile: by a command line option |
| 21:41.41 | harnir | retracile: do you know "finger" keyboard layout? |
| 21:42.06 | TeXitoi | retracile: matchbox-keyboard extended |
| 21:42.25 | TeXitoi | retracile: but do not test, it's not usable ;-) |
| 21:42.57 | retracile | heh, TeXitoi, got a microscope handy? ;) |
| 21:43.41 | retracile | Ok, so harnir, how are you implementing multiple keyboard modes? |
| 21:44.31 | harnir | retracile: moment |
| 21:46.48 | harnir | I took basic keyboard from here: http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/ |
| 21:46.54 | harnir | and modified the layout |
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| 21:46.58 | Dave | retraciles! |
| 21:47.04 | retracile | Daves! |
| 21:47.17 | Dave | :) |
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| 21:47.31 | Dave | micro keyboard layouts? |
| 21:47.33 | Dave | pssh |
| 21:47.41 | Dave | Something realistic might be nice :) |
| 21:47.42 | Zorkman | Whiskey! |
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| 21:48.26 | harnir | Dave: that's what I'm doing |
| 21:48.47 | harnir | ~dreilly's keyboard isn't very nice in a terminal environment |
| 21:48.55 | harnir | it's good for writing SMS |
| 21:48.57 | Dave | raster 4 lyfe, yo |
| 21:48.58 | harnir | but nothing more |
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| 21:53.28 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke * r7e96fcc1ca96 10/src/tests/pdutest/pdutest.pro: [buildfix] Attempt to get qtestlib build for the target of pdutest... |
| 21:53.28 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke * r23612e6f1af3 10/src/general.pri: [buildfix] Make sure the build succeeds and remove the unit tests |
| 21:54.10 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1906: Duplicate SMS in inbox ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1906 ) |
| 21:54.34 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.51 | Zorkman | :) |
| 21:54.56 | Zorkman | you like our bugsbunny? |
| 21:55.38 | roh | nah.. just wondering where it gets its informations.. rss i assume? |
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| 21:56.54 | Dave | roh :) |
| 21:56.56 | retracile | harnir: Ahhh... I think the key bit of info I didn't have was the 'modifier:layout' thing, and the <layout></layout> tags. |
| 21:57.41 | harnir | retracile: I guess... ;-) |
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| 21:58.04 | Dave | retracile, breaking keyboards are we? |
| 21:58.29 | retracile | Dave: about to try. Recall my comments about wanting to customize my keyboard? :) |
| 21:58.43 | Dave | :D |
| 21:58.46 | Dave | ducks for cover |
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| 21:59.13 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc44d79a1a47d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to hopefully fix the cross build |
| 22:00.24 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r639fe5463162 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to hopefully fix the cross build |
| 22:00.32 | Zorkman | "sane-srcrevs.inc: " wonder if there is also an insane-srcrevs.inc" |
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| 22:06.59 | retracile | harnir: what version of matchbox-keyboard are you using? |
| 22:07.32 | harnir | retracile: 0.1 |
| 22:08.05 | retracile | Hm. Ok. I'm getting a parse error when I try to add the "modifier:layout" bit. |
| 22:08.32 | harnir | retracile: moment |
| 22:09.16 | harnir | retracile: install this: http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod_0.1-finger_armv4t.ipk |
| 22:10.12 | retracile | harnir: I'm on debian; not sure that'll help much... |
| 22:10.34 | edistar | retracile: check the debian bugzilla |
| 22:10.40 | edistar | retracile: afaik there is a known bug |
| 22:10.55 | retracile | edistar: oh goody. |
| 22:11.06 | harnir | retracile: can't help you then, I have 2007.2 |
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| 22:14.54 | peepsalot | hmm, if I boot a kernel and os from sd, will it update the kernel in the correct location through opkg? |
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| 22:16.15 | edistar | peepsalot: it should, yes |
| 22:16.51 | Zorkman | edistar, peepsalot: sometimes strange things happen |
| 22:17.11 | peepsalot | hmm, well i guess I'll see what happens. i'm updating my 2007.2 partition |
| 22:17.16 | retracile | hm. Looks like maybe it should be action="layout:whatever" ... at least, I don't get a parse error that way. |
| 22:17.18 | Zorkman | It happend 2 times to me that when i opkg upgraded my 2008.8 on SD that when booting my 2007.2 i had another kernel |
| 22:17.23 | retracile | But I'm out of time, catch y'all later. |
| 22:17.30 | Zorkman | bye |
| 22:18.01 | edistar | bye |
| 22:19.09 | harnir | bye |
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| 22:22.55 | UndrWater | how does fso get gps going? |
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| 22:25.45 | Bill_ | Zorkman: i owe you 5 bug reports :) |
| 22:26.01 | Zorkman | :-DD |
| 22:26.07 | Zorkman | make haste ;-) |
| 22:26.22 | Zorkman | serious: too bad it didn't build :( |
| 22:26.42 | Bill_ | linux-libc-headers-dbg |
| 22:26.42 | Bill_ | *** Error: Package name contains illegal characters, (other than [a-z0-9.+-]) |
| 22:26.59 | Bill_ | as in wtf |
| 22:27.11 | paroneayea | wtf would be legal characters :) |
| 22:27.19 | Bill_ | exactly |
| 22:27.51 | SpeedEvil | par: [a-z0-9.+-] |
| 22:28.33 | Bill_ | SpeedEvil: poing out an illegal char in "linux-libc-headers-dbg" |
| 22:30.05 | mjr | me guesses there's a funky unicode dash there somewhere |
| 22:30.16 | Bill_ | prolly |
| 22:30.35 | Bill_ | 'cause everything up to that point build nicely |
| 22:31.11 | Bill_ | and mesa after that compiled too |
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| 22:33.05 | SpeedEvil | poings. |
| 22:33.23 | Bill_ | yupyup |
| 22:33.54 | Bill_ | but as i ran out of wine then i leave it for another night to figure out |
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| 22:37.23 | UndrWater | grrr...opkg segfaulting |
| 22:37.40 | Zorkman | segfaulting seems to be "in" this week |
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| 22:38.30 | Bill_ | i wish i could've had it that far... |
| 22:39.00 | peepsalot | man, trying to play some of these games, like pegs for example, is excruciating |
| 22:39.43 | peepsalot | or untangle, etc |
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| 22:51.41 | Bill_ | i wonder if that vuild failed because of my "et_EE.UTF-8" locale added to glibc locales.. as glibc build failed aswell |
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| 22:58.04 | bricode_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.12 | edistar | bricode_: hf |
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| 23:02.03 | Dave | :) |
| 23:02.07 | Dave | been there, done that. |
| 23:02.23 | Dave | retracile, you require additional openmoko games! |
| 23:02.51 | Tig| | boggles |
| 23:03.28 | Dave | goggles |
| 23:04.09 | Tig| | googles but his freerunner is still in a state of variously broken :) |
| 23:04.28 | Dave | Same as your English, it would seem. |
| 23:04.32 | Dave | ;) |
| 23:04.37 | bricode_ | Dave: You're such a rockstar :) |
| 23:04.49 | Dave | Guilty as charged ;) |
| 23:04.58 | Zorkman | Dave has his own band, he's quite famous in jersey |
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| 23:05.40 | swc|666 | jersey ftl |
| 23:05.55 | Zorkman | it's a nice island |
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| 23:06.20 | swc|666 | prolly the most decrepit place on earth... next to b'more |
| 23:06.20 | Tig| | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:10.12 | Tig| | anyway, should I stick with the FSO or flip back to the ASU |
| 23:10.30 | Zorkman | what's wrong with FSO at the moment? |
| 23:10.30 | Tig| | given up using it day to day at the moment |
| 23:11.07 | Tig| | Zorkman: I broke it so reflashed and thought I would give the ASU a try :) |
| 23:11.09 | UndrWater | i'm trying fso...but opkg keeps segfaulting :( |
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| 23:11.38 | Tig| | UndrWater: is this after adding new feeds? |
| 23:11.51 | UndrWater | Tig|: yes |
| 23:11.57 | Tig| | hmmm |
| 23:12.33 | UndrWater | well...the "testing" from bearstech |
| 23:12.41 | UndrWater | that's the only feed |
| 23:13.01 | Tig| | might have done the same thing but I did it on an image where I was less than careful of where packages were coming from |
| 23:13.27 | UndrWater | Tig|: experiencing similar? |
| 23:13.27 | Tig| | but then I added the bearstech feeds and they blew ujp for me too |
| 23:13.54 | UndrWater | i figured bearstech was "good" |
| 23:14.34 | Tig| | I reflashed as I did not have a clean image but it does sound like there is a duff package in the bearsteck maching at the moment |
| 23:15.49 | Tig| | UndrWater: usually it probably will be but it is building stuff without human checks |
| 23:15.50 | UndrWater | Tig|: how did you know you had a "dirty" image? |
| 23:16.14 | UndrWater | autobuild? |
| 23:16.55 | Tig| | UndrWater: simple I had polluted it by shoving the packages I wanted from any old machine :) |
| 23:18.29 | Tig| | UndrWater: various people have added software from the bearstech buildhost without problems. I was not one of them ut they may be around later :) |
| 23:18.55 | Tig| | it is likely I did not add the feed correctly |
| 23:19.39 | UndrWater | hmm...i made the mistake of removing the arch.conf from /etc/opkg |
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| 23:20.04 | UndrWater | i was removing those "my-repository" entries in there |
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| 23:25.02 | Zorkman | anybody seen http://pyneo.org/ ? |
| 23:25.35 | emdete | Zorkman: what's with it ;) |
| 23:26.35 | Zorkman | i hadn't seen it |
| 23:26.43 | CVirus | interesting |
| 23:29.07 | Zorkman | yes it is |
| 23:30.07 | Zorkman | they even have t-shirts :) |
| 23:31.06 | UndrWater | there are a few of those random distro sites out there... |
| 23:31.52 | emdete | UndrWater: what do you mean with "random distro sites"? |
| 23:32.32 | Zorkman | it seems a big effort but i never saw anything about it, strange... |
| 23:33.29 | emdete | Zorkman: you saw, fso is in fact a copy of it. pyneo is the place where gsm0710muxd is founded & maintained |
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| 23:34.12 | Yanroy | hi all |
| 23:34.50 | Yanroy | how do I get daily releases of 2008.8 in my opkg feeds? This ML post that supposedly explains it isn't even close to comprehensible english: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/027997.html |
| 23:34.57 | Yanroy | and the wiki just tells you to read it, rather than having a summary |
| 23:35.18 | UndrWater | emdete: some "forks" of the distros for OM i suppose |
| 23:35.24 | Yanroy | I don't know if I want testing or what, and the wiki also has you create a repo file for a bunch of different architectures and stuff... very odd |
| 23:35.32 | Yanroy | I'm happy to update the wiki if someone can set me straight |
| 23:35.39 | emdete | UndrWater: pyneo ist neither a fork nor a distro |
| 23:36.24 | abraxa_ | It's comparable to FSO - only better |
| 23:37.22 | Yanroy | so, do I take silence to mean no one has functioning dailies on 2008.8? |
| 23:38.13 | chillywilly | just bought a 3G iPhone and feels like a traitor ;) |
| 23:38.16 | chillywilly | I hope my new SIM will work in my freerunner |
| 23:38.17 | chillywilly | :-/ |
| 23:38.39 | chillywilly | is surfing openmoko.org with an iPhone |
| 23:38.42 | swc|666 | iphone sims won't work |
| 23:38.53 | chillywilly | oh well that sorta blows then |
| 23:39.00 | swc|666 | what provider? |
| 23:39.04 | chillywilly | AT&T |
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| 23:39.10 | jucs | chillywilly, shame on you! |
| 23:39.12 | swc|666 | at&t is super cool with replacing it |
| 23:39.18 | chillywilly | oh? |
| 23:39.36 | swc|666 | yep.. jus ttell'm u have a new phone and need a compatible sim... |
| 23:39.48 | jucs | You've just sponsored bondage... |
| 23:39.51 | chillywilly | anyone have a second line for their freerunner? |
| 23:40.02 | swc|666 | they ask for your #, then barcode scan it for free |
| 23:40.06 | chillywilly | yea well at least bondage works |
| 23:40.08 | jucs | a second line? |
| 23:40.24 | chillywilly | I was using the freerunner with qtopia for a while |
| 23:40.56 | jucs | So? |
| 23:41.04 | chillywilly | and now I see they just released things and fixed the voicemail garbled SMS message |
| 23:41.07 | Zorkman | emdete, abraxa_, why is there no info about it on the wiki? |
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| 23:41.20 | Zorkman | wouldn't it be better if more people knew about it/helped out? |
| 23:41.41 | abraxa_ | Zorkman: Cause it's not useful enough yet, I'm afraid. When there's a GUI, it'll be made public I think |
| 23:41.45 | UndrWater | emdete: looks like... |
| 23:41.51 | jucs | @swc|666: iPhone sims do not need to work... |
| 23:42.06 | UndrWater | pyneo is neither a fork nor a distro...discuss! |
| 23:42.36 | Yanroy | so, is there a touchscreen calibrator app for 2008.8? |
| 23:42.40 | emdete | UndrWater: its a sw stack. compare it with android ;) |
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| 23:42.52 | Zorkman | abraxa_: i think i once saw a video of the pyneo logo using accelerometers |
| 23:43.18 | emdete | Zorkman: do u have a url? |
| 23:43.24 | Zorkman | and I was the logo also on neo1973-germany.de |
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| 23:43.39 | Zorkman | emdete: no..I'll try to search but I don't think i will be able to find it again |
| 23:43.49 | jucs | Zorkman: German? |
| 23:44.11 | Zorkman | nein, ich bin keine deutscher:) |
| 23:44.21 | Zorkman | -er :) |
| 23:44.21 | jucs | Ah, okay :-P |
| 23:44.37 | jucs | (2008-08-30 01:44:11) Zorkman: nein, ich bin kein deutscher:) <- like this ;-) |
| 23:45.01 | UndrWater | emdete: ahh...ok...that looks like distro to me ;)...but i see your point |
| 23:45.01 | Zorkman | found it! |
| 23:45.18 | edistar | Zorkman: dutch-speaking, even! |
| 23:45.35 | Zorkman | emdete: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5QMW8k5nis |
| 23:45.46 | emdete | UndrWater: distro for me is a software collection while a stack is a part of it |
| 23:45.47 | Zorkman | jup, dutch speaking :) |
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| 23:46.32 | edistar | on a qtopia stack.. |
| 23:46.40 | emdete | no, thats the original om logo |
| 23:46.47 | Zorkman | damn :) |
| 23:46.53 | emdete | but nice! wow! |
| 23:47.28 | emdete | but in the beginning there is the debian logo as background |
| 23:48.24 | Zorkman | anyway, i'm off now. I'm glad I found out about pyneo :) |
| 23:48.39 | Zorkman | keep up the good work guys :) |
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| 23:51.31 | edistar | ZzzzZzzZzzorkman: cu |
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