| 00:00.29 | KenYoung | Infoport, I've heard the US Naval Academy no longer offers celestial navigation even as an *optional* course. |
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| 00:01.43 | Infoport | KenYoung I hope the Boy Scouts or somebody still uses it. I have an Astrolabe which hasnt been used for a long while, so I can use the help :D XD |
| 00:03.17 | Infoport | I can understand random boaters not using it, but those expecting difficult situations hsould know celestial navigation (esp military, Boy Scouts, rugged adventurers) |
| 00:04.25 | KenYoung | Infoport, I would have thought anyone in the navy would want to know it, just for cultural literacy reasons. |
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| 00:10.00 | Infoport | sad sad...makes me want to learn my Astrolabe better, so I can tell the time (within 15min) from the stars |
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| 00:11.14 | dingman | KenYoung, I've never gotten the impression that cultural literacy was a high priority for any of the armed forces... |
| 00:11.43 | Infoport | maybe I should try to make an Astrolabe app :D (go go centuries-old technology!) |
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| 00:13.32 | KenYoung | dinqman, But don't they stress the importance of the "history of the corps" the "long grey line" etc? Learning navigation should be another experience bonding recruits to the navy. |
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| 00:14.42 | KenYoung | Infoport, Astrolabes are probably even older than orreries. |
| 00:15.55 | Infoport | wow KenYoung, you inspired me to find the meaning of that word (I LOVE being literate!) Now I have a little reading to do |
| 00:16.23 | KenYoung | Infoport, Let me know what you find. |
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| 00:18.25 | Infoport | well I'm reading Wikipedia now, which I have found to be well-cited in most cases, but I will prob go to the other resources next. I didnt know that the Antikythera mechanism was one (which I had seen on History channel, and they are X-raying to find out more) |
| 00:18.55 | KenYoung | Yeah - the Antikythera mechanism is cool beyond belief. |
| 00:21.06 | Infoport | KenYoung my Astrolabe was from a renaissance festival. and I have a booklette of Chaucer explaining the use. I have a good one of ~5inch diameter, and a necklace version that is 1-1.5 inch |
| 00:21.57 | Infoport | need to re-learn it though |
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| 00:23.36 | KenYoung | Infoport, Although the Antikythera mechanism may be older than any existing Astrolabe, I think it's almost a certainty that something like an Astrolabe long predated any orrery. |
| 00:23.59 | dingman | KenYoung, wouldn't know for sure. I teach military folks sometimes, but I'd never join up. You have to do crazy shit like touching guns and taking orders ;) |
| 00:24.54 | slaxxin | where do i get some good applications for me freerunner/ |
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| 00:26.39 | Infoport | I'm a DIY person (surprise) and I like guns too-- I started to create my own using the US manual TM-210, which has now disappeared from military surplus stores (like you cant find it online) but we shyed away at testing and completing it b/c it may be illegal to make your own |
| 00:26.56 | KenYoung | slaxxin, Are you looking for any particular type of application? |
| 00:27.16 | Infoport | I'm a vegetarian who loves peace, but is not a pacifist |
| 00:27.43 | Infoport | anyway enough OT chatter from me |
| 00:28.14 | dingman | Back on topic, are there reviews or status reports on the FSO dailies anywhere? |
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| 01:05.17 | RPStudent09 | can someone help me? |
| 01:05.40 | unknown_lamer | no |
| 01:08.00 | RPStudent09 | why? |
| 01:08.37 | CVirus | RPStudent09: you're being too desriptive |
| 01:08.40 | CVirus | descriptive* |
| 01:08.53 | RPStudent09 | with my problem? |
| 01:09.23 | RPStudent09 | *oh, disruptive.......and I dont see anyone else in here talking... |
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| 01:12.09 | retracile | xjig (virtual jigsaw puzzle) works well on the FR. 512x384 images are a good fit... large enough, but you can still get at all the pieces as you approach completion. |
| 01:15.23 | retracile | (Oh, I should mention that you'll want to include the '-side 0' option so you have a single-sided puzzle you can actually solve.) |
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| 01:15.54 | slaxxin | 09 watisit? |
| 01:16.05 | abraxa_ | retracile: Mind putting that on the wiki? Might be nice to know for people who want to play |
| 01:16.17 | retracile | abraxa_: where's it belong? |
| 01:17.11 | abraxa_ | retracile: There's http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Games/Om_2007.2 so I figure http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Games looks like a good fit |
| 01:19.40 | retracile | should it be Games/Debian? |
| 01:20.15 | Infoport | RPStudent09 I didnt see your problem, could you repeat it? |
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| 01:21.38 | abraxa_ | Infoport: He's gone |
| 01:22.06 | abraxa_ | retracile: I don't think xjig is debian-specific |
| 01:22.30 | retracile | ok |
| 01:26.41 | Dave | retracile :) |
| 01:26.48 | retracile | Dave! :) |
| 01:27.03 | Dave | \o/ |
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| 01:27.12 | Dave | Shit, lucky bastard... |
| 01:27.18 | Dave | Kenyoung has escaped my grasp once again. |
| 01:27.26 | Dave | He shall not be so fortunate next time >:) |
| 01:27.40 | retracile | Hrm. I thought {{{ }}} would mark a section as pre-formatted... but it isn't showing up that way... |
| 01:27.55 | Dave | o_O |
| 01:27.59 | Dave | What, on the wiki? :p |
| 01:28.11 | retracile | Yeah; I'm used to Trac's syntax.... |
| 01:28.23 | retracile | <nowiki> ? |
| 01:28.55 | retracile | oh, <pre>. *sigh* |
| 01:29.10 | Dave | heh |
| 01:29.14 | Dave | silly retracile :) |
| 01:29.27 | retracile | so many wikis, so many quirks. |
| 01:29.43 | Dave | Yeah, I just choose to ignore them all. |
| 01:29.45 | Dave | :) |
| 01:29.51 | retracile | Ok, just created http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Games |
| 01:29.58 | Dave | :O |
| 01:30.01 | Dave | ADD ADD ADD |
| 01:30.24 | Dave | I wonder if I should submit my game icons there... |
| 01:30.27 | retracile | Dave: contributions welcome. Make yourself useful dude. ;P |
| 01:30.44 | Dave | I am, you jerk! :p |
| 01:30.50 | retracile | hehe |
| 01:30.58 | Dave | ooh, my freerunner just turned on |
| 01:31.02 | Dave | I bet it's happy to see me :D |
| 01:31.45 | Dave | DAENYTH |
| 01:31.49 | Dave | :D |
| 01:32.40 | Dave | retracile, are you on the map yet!? |
| 01:33.10 | retracile | nope. gps isn't top priority for me yet. I'm trying to get my FR to replace my Zaurus. |
| 01:33.18 | Dave | :\ |
| 01:33.21 | Dave | good luck! |
| 01:33.28 | retracile | ... and my Zaurus has no gps, no wifi, no radios at all. |
| 01:33.38 | retracile | (it does have a nice pull-out keyboard though...) |
| 01:33.41 | Dave | hey but it makes a pretty snazzy pda |
| 01:33.44 | Dave | :] |
| 01:33.52 | Dave | NEEDS MORE GAMES |
| 01:33.55 | Dave | like the freerunner |
| 01:33.59 | Dave | ;] |
| 01:34.07 | retracile | heh. Yeah, I had nethack on the Z at one point. |
| 01:34.18 | Dave | It's not that amazing. |
| 01:34.38 | retracile | I'm finding that I'm not very fond of OE; being able to run Debian is a step up, IMNSHO. |
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| 01:35.05 | Dave | yeah |
| 01:35.13 | Dave | haha, fucking crazy acronyms there. |
| 01:35.35 | retracile | eh? |
| 01:35.45 | Dave | holy backronyms batman! |
| 01:36.05 | Dave | holy doom on a freerunner! |
| 01:36.05 | Dave | :D |
| 01:36.49 | retracile | heh. Reminds me... I wrote a Monopoly game once in college; when a player went bankrupt, the game declared "Holy pockets Batman, Player1 has gone bankrupt!" |
| 01:37.21 | Dave | :D |
| 01:37.27 | Dave | heehee, cute :) |
| 01:37.51 | retracile | object-oriented C (not C++), ANSI graphics... and an A for our group. Fun times. :) |
| 01:38.02 | Dave | killer! |
| 01:38.10 | Dave | :) |
| 01:38.43 | Dave | I think I am going to write an accelerometer based game using sdl for the debian dist |
| 01:39.00 | retracile | Starting now? |
| 01:39.08 | Dave | Hmm? |
| 01:39.15 | Dave | I may do that. |
| 01:39.26 | Dave | I've been thinking about it for a little while now, the game, anyway. |
| 01:39.31 | Dave | What better time, eh? |
| 01:39.34 | Dave | time... -_- |
| 01:39.41 | Dave | I just need to find it, somehow! |
| 01:39.42 | retracile | ... actually, I have a better idea. |
| 01:39.51 | Dave | oh yeah? |
| 01:39.59 | Dave | What, make you dinner? :P |
| 01:40.27 | retracile | If you hold the freerunner like a steering wheel, can the accels tell you enough to determine its angle from horizontal? |
| 01:40.37 | Dave | yes |
| 01:40.43 | Dave | but it's not THAT sensitive |
| 01:40.49 | Dave | and the readings aren't THAT fast I believe |
| 01:40.52 | Dave | unsure of that part though |
| 01:40.56 | Dave | though yes, it can give you angle :) |
| 01:41.03 | Dave | like 45d or 35d, maybe |
| 01:41.11 | Dave | it was designed with 2accels for that reason |
| 01:41.12 | retracile | can it work as a steering wheel input for driving games? |
| 01:41.19 | Dave | and their placement was based for that potential |
| 01:41.23 | Dave | MAYBE! |
| 01:41.32 | Dave | probably pretty bad, if precision is required |
| 01:41.35 | Dave | but hey, not a bad idea |
| 01:41.42 | Dave | though for that you'd really want a gyro :\ |
| 01:41.52 | retracile | Implementing that would open up a lot of games. |
| 01:41.59 | Dave | It might |
| 01:42.03 | Dave | it's worth looking into :) |
| 01:42.10 | Dave | maybe I'll pitch it to a couple people |
| 01:42.22 | Dave | if you don't copyright it, first :P |
| 01:42.31 | retracile | Even if all it could detect was 3 positions, it would be useful. (left, center, right) |
| 01:42.36 | Dave | right |
| 01:42.38 | Dave | exactly! |
| 01:42.47 | Dave | I could see people in offices doing crazy shit with it |
| 01:42.48 | Dave | haha |
| 01:42.55 | Dave | vroom vroom! |
| 01:43.07 | retracile | gimme TORCS on the FR! (kidding) |
| 01:43.17 | Dave | ;p |
| 01:43.24 | slaxxin | mariokart |
| 01:43.25 | Dave | madness! |
| 01:43.30 | retracile | slaxxin: that'd work. |
| 01:43.47 | slaxxin | linuxxed an no emulator |
| 01:44.25 | slaxxin | mariokart.ipk getonit |
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| 01:45.03 | retracile | slaxxin: just need the accelarometer-based virtual joystick input. |
| 01:45.06 | Dave | heh |
| 01:45.13 | Dave | I'm busy workin' on doom1.ipk, thanks. |
| 01:45.14 | Dave | :p |
| 01:45.18 | Dave | retracile, yeah |
| 01:45.24 | Dave | For DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM |
| 01:45.31 | slaxxin | please send it to us all |
| 01:45.35 | Dave | *hack* *slash* *slice* *bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzaaah* |
| 01:45.59 | Dave | meanwhile, quake is next :) |
| 01:46.12 | slaxxin | we need mo ram scotty |
| 01:46.25 | Dave | I'm givin' it all she's got, cap'n :P |
| 01:46.41 | slaxxin | sending spock |
| 01:46.45 | Dave | :p |
| 01:47.26 | slaxxin | so that doom u working on is like 1 meg? |
| 01:47.37 | slaxxin | meg an a half? |
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| 02:23.12 | slaxxin | i think im running your image raster although when i did opkg upgrade does it overwrite it? |
| 02:23.31 | raster | it likely will |
| 02:23.38 | raster | i need to do a real "raster" image |
| 02:23.45 | raster | that wont break etc. |
| 02:23.46 | slaxxin | Tag Name: |
| 02:23.46 | slaxxin | VERSION: e8c57c8226d1e8dc1ebde7bc6051d448cfe6e57c |
| 02:23.46 | slaxxin | Branch: org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 02:23.46 | slaxxin | Build Host: cubie |
| 02:23.46 | slaxxin | Time Stamp: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:38:09 +1000 |
| 02:24.09 | raster | hat was a quick image i brewed to let u see how far the illume kbd has come and how things work forme at least |
| 02:24.33 | raster | it simply was he image of asu i happened to build that day |
| 02:24.34 | slaxxin | i rather like it |
| 02:24.36 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.45 | slaxxin | it is 2008.8 correct? |
| 02:24.45 | raster | i intend to work on FSO in future |
| 02:24.52 | raster | i'll make a nice FSO image sometime.. |
| 02:24.58 | slaxxin | is that shr? |
| 02:24.59 | raster | maybe i'll just do an FSO-based one |
| 02:25.01 | raster | ie use FSO |
| 02:25.07 | raster | but do some e-image |
| 02:25.10 | raster | not sure |
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| 02:26.04 | slaxxin | i really liked fso but i thought that 2008.8 was the shit |
| 02:26.32 | slaxxin | coolest ringtone around |
| 02:26.54 | slaxxin | warning: rockin&rollin |
| 02:28.12 | raster | ahhaah |
| 02:28.16 | slaxxin | raster how do i put pidgin on? |
| 02:28.24 | raster | well FSO i think is a longer-term future base |
| 02:28.33 | raster | i should build an image thatis BASEd on FSO infra |
| 02:28.38 | raster | but includes a bunch of useful stuff |
| 02:28.49 | slaxxin | ok the masses will follow |
| 02:28.49 | raster | and uses E+illume configured as at least i think it should be :) |
| 02:29.02 | raster | i need to work on that |
| 02:29.16 | raster | i need to do a new theme that matches/uses e17's new theme |
| 02:29.26 | raster | so in the long run i can just re-use everything in e's core |
| 02:29.27 | slaxxin | fso now is working the best ya think? |
| 02:29.37 | raster | and i need to work on some modules for wallpaer, profile and theme config |
| 02:29.50 | raster | well fso uses e+illume almost as it should be |
| 02:30.02 | slaxxin | are u using debian? |
| 02:30.06 | raster | for me fso doesnt register on the network so it cant make calls or recieve |
| 02:30.11 | raster | but i guess its being worked on |
| 02:30.13 | raster | no |
| 02:30.17 | raster | i am using OE |
| 02:30.36 | slaxxin | well i thouhght that fso worked on calls? |
| 02:31.05 | slaxxin | it did for me very well |
| 02:31.19 | raster | hmm |
| 02:31.20 | raster | didnt for me |
| 02:31.24 | Stroller | Have you finished working for OM now, raster ? |
| 02:31.26 | raster | but its probably a matter of debugging |
| 02:31.31 | raster | Stroller: end of this week |
| 02:31.42 | slaxxin | so raster u have att? |
| 02:32.17 | slaxxin | i had that problem originally |
| 02:32.44 | slaxxin | it turned out my sim was shorting on the holder tab |
| 02:33.03 | Stroller | raster: cool. If you were local I'd ask to throw a leaving party for you. |
| 02:33.47 | tunys | guys |
| 02:33.55 | raster | slaxxin: no. i'm in .au - have optus |
| 02:33.55 | tunys | why isn't there an #openmoko-dev |
| 02:33.56 | raster | :) |
| 02:34.05 | raster | my sim works with qpe |
| 02:34.09 | ljp | raster: you can always come work for Trolltech^WNokia |
| 02:34.16 | raster | its not the sim as such |
| 02:34.21 | slaxxin | ok |
| 02:34.37 | raster | ljp: hehehe - i could... right nowp though.. i want some "me" hacking timeand a holiday |
| 02:35.06 | slaxxin | its worth looking to see if the tab is touching the contact of the sim:) |
| 02:35.08 | raster | Stroller: thanks - though i'm happy as-is just slinking offinto the shadows come the weekend :) |
| 02:35.21 | ljp | raster: 20% of time here is "me" dev time - its called Creative Fridays |
| 02:35.51 | raster | ljp: ooh. ala google :) |
| 02:36.19 | ljp | nope. google got the idea from TT |
| 02:36.42 | Stroller | As you wish, raster. But I think many of us would like to thank you. |
| 02:37.07 | mwester | tunys: because that channel was already claimed. |
| 02:37.10 | raster | ljp: really? they did? cool |
| 02:37.20 | tunys | mwester: I'm in here now |
| 02:37.22 | mwester | tunys: try #openmoko-cdevel for community development |
| 02:37.24 | tunys | nobody here |
| 02:37.25 | raster | Stroller: thanks. and dont worry - i will be doing stuff |
| 02:37.25 | slaxxin | THANK U RASTER |
| 02:37.25 | ljp | i dont know of they did, but I think TT predates google |
| 02:37.37 | raster | thats what i hope to sink a few weeks into after OM |
| 02:37.41 | raster | get things on track |
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| 02:37.53 | tunys | mwester: I'm all alone in #openmoko-dev, and i have +o |
| 02:37.55 | raster | release an image - or at least get an image into OE like FSO that is FSO based |
| 02:38.00 | raster | and otherwise got all the goodies |
| 02:38.03 | ljp | raster: and release e17? :) |
| 02:38.04 | Stroller | raster: well, that's why we'd like to thank you. |
| 02:38.07 | tunys | mwester: I can register the channel for you guys if you want |
| 02:38.16 | raster | ljp: and yes.. release e17.. though thats a bit longer |
| 02:38.19 | raster | have to finish off this new theme |
| 02:38.23 | raster | and finish the wizard |
| 02:38.31 | raster | but then its just bugfixes and cleanups |
| 02:38.48 | mwester | tunys: Not my call, but maybe someone would like it. I presume that Openmoko released the channel, as it used to by closed. |
| 02:38.50 | raster | tunys: he means #openmoko-devel i think |
| 02:38.51 | raster | :) |
| 02:39.03 | raster | and that channel is closed |
| 02:39.04 | tunys | raster: #openmoko-dev is catchier |
| 02:39.33 | mwester | raster: I'm pretty sure I checked both before we ended up with cdevel |
| 02:41.24 | Stroller | I wonder if #openmoko-sucks would come under freenode's naming rules |
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| 02:47.43 | raster | hahaha |
| 02:49.41 | tunys | http://is.gd/1WgO |
| 02:49.48 | tunys | AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! |
| 02:50.54 | ssweeny | do i want to know? |
| 02:51.18 | tunys | My freerunner!!!1 |
| 02:51.23 | tunys | it's at the post office!!! |
| 02:51.33 | ssweeny | that is an exciting time |
| 02:51.38 | tunys | yeppers |
| 02:51.55 | ssweeny | when i got that message it was like christmas eve |
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| 03:06.35 | tunys | yeah |
| 03:07.11 | tunys | though it's a bit hard to explain to many people why I want a phone that doesn't quite work yet |
| 03:07.26 | dbmoodb | ah if you use debian (with the fso) package you can just apt-get install pidgin |
| 03:07.46 | dbmoodb | raster: are we all really australian in here ? |
| 03:07.57 | raster | dunno |
| 03:08.00 | raster | are we? |
| 03:08.21 | dbmoodb | well i am you are apparently a bigpond amarsh user just left |
| 03:09.13 | dbmoodb | so by majority of this conversation we are |
| 03:09.16 | dbmoodb | :)\ |
| 03:09.22 | raster | hahahaha |
| 03:09.29 | raster | well also its "wakies" time in.au |
| 03:09.35 | raster | not surprising |
| 03:09.37 | raster | :) |
| 03:10.08 | dbmoodb | raster: probably not (wants to get a gprs provider that is cheap) |
| 03:10.13 | dbmoodb | i got vodafone working |
| 03:12.23 | raster | 3 is the best data-wise |
| 03:12.27 | raster | but only 3g thats decent |
| 03:12.37 | raster | u're screwed for gprs data at decent rates here |
| 03:12.37 | dbmoodb | 3 nar... their service is shocking |
| 03:12.51 | dbmoodb | raster: nar dude was dd if=/dev/sdb |gzip -9 | dd of=sdcard.tgz |
| 03:13.02 | dbmoodb | -- that will work for backing up by memory card yeah ? |
| 03:13.29 | dbmoodb | raster: well no ... you ca nget some pretty decent rates for data depends on the amount you want.. i want only a few mb so Te$tra might be a go |
| 03:13.35 | dbmoodb | (prepaid) |
| 03:14.05 | raster | i'm not bothering |
| 03:14.09 | raster | they're all rediculous |
| 03:14.24 | dbmoodb | raster: what no gprs rofl :) |
| 03:15.36 | dbmoodb | raster: that back up command should work tho ? i don't really trust gzips but ok |
| 03:16.07 | raster | ooh |
| 03:16.11 | raster | for backing up st |
| 03:16.12 | raster | yeah |
| 03:16.13 | raster | should work |
| 03:16.59 | dbmoodb | mmmm how long should this take ? i have used around 2gb on the card. |
| 03:17.05 | dbmoodb | (8gb card) |
| 03:17.34 | raster | where is it plugged in? |
| 03:17.36 | raster | fr |
| 03:17.38 | dbmoodb | usb |
| 03:17.39 | raster | or desktop? |
| 03:17.45 | dbmoodb | usb on my desktop of course :) |
| 03:17.49 | raster | ooh |
| 03:17.51 | raster | dunno |
| 03:18.00 | raster | not sure of the read rates for your sd card |
| 03:18.03 | raster | but it will take a whilke |
| 03:18.08 | dbmoodb | think its a slow scandisk 4X |
| 03:18.27 | dbmoodb | raster: what distro are you on atm btw |
| 03:18.33 | raster | alsoi depends on your card reader |
| 03:18.37 | raster | if its full or hi speed |
| 03:18.38 | raster | etc. |
| 03:18.46 | raster | on my desktop? ubuntu |
| 03:18.56 | raster | just a sec |
| 03:18.56 | dbmoodb | likes his debian and 2007.2 (ah both are probably low) so lets say its .. i think its finished |
| 03:18.59 | raster | brb |
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| 03:20.58 | raster | aaand.. back |
| 03:21.53 | dbmoodb | meh what distro on the phone. |
| 03:22.03 | dbmoodb | (uses debian on * )and 2007.2 |
| 03:22.28 | dbmoodb | 2008.8 looks good but last time i was playing with it .. it was a bit slow / didn't fix anything really from 2007.2 |
| 03:23.37 | raster | oh on phone |
| 03:23.43 | raster | well ASU and FSO |
| 03:23.47 | raster | ASUi'm winding down on |
| 03:23.55 | raster | and i just picked up FSO and intend to do more there |
| 03:25.17 | slaxxin | milestone2 coming up |
| 03:27.26 | dbmoodb | slaxxin: ?... is it any different to fso on debian (probably more updated atm) |
| 03:28.09 | slaxxin | ii just started the procedure |
| 03:28.16 | raster | dunno |
| 03:28.19 | slaxxin | so 15 minuits |
| 03:28.26 | raster | i dont see the point of running deb on my fr really |
| 03:28.30 | raster | just will suck in extra bloat |
| 03:28.33 | raster | i'm used to OE now |
| 03:28.58 | slaxxin | need a 99meg denian |
| 03:29.45 | ace_ | why is there text completion for names in 2008.08 ? i tried adding a friend (his name is pieter) but all i could get typed in was pi and then start a second word... |
| 03:30.03 | ace_ | kind of annoying to have him listed as pi :) |
| 03:30.09 | raster | yay! 2008.8 keyboard |
| 03:30.09 | raster | :) |
| 03:30.48 | ace_ | is there a way to turn off the completion when typing names ? also, where's the backspace gone ? |
| 03:31.36 | ace_ | i mean 2008.08 is promoted as a major release, i had expected it to be more usable than 2007.02, not less... |
| 03:35.14 | dbmoodb | raster: ? extra bloat |
| 03:35.24 | dbmoodb | dude its debian. |
| 03:35.41 | raster | dbmoodb: how big is the debian image with fso? |
| 03:36.22 | dbmoodb | ah depends on what you want with it. i don't know the exact size i did a custom lenny installation and mine is HUGE but i bought a 8gb sdcard just for it. had i not i wouldn't have it so big. its damn fast too :) |
| 03:37.31 | dbmoodb | raster: probably approach 500mb im guessing ... if you dont cut it down. |
| 03:38.19 | raster | ... FSO with OE is 48m |
| 03:38.22 | raster | so.. yes |
| 03:38.24 | raster | debian is bloated |
| 03:38.52 | raster | and i dont need to do any cutting down |
| 03:39.01 | raster | so.. i'm going to continue with OE and FSO |
| 03:39.01 | raster | :) |
| 03:40.25 | dbmoodb | raster: sure thing fso is ok. but like i said i like my debian |
| 03:40.45 | dbmoodb | raster: get back to be when there is a working voip client for either fso or asu |
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| 03:44.44 | retracile | debian is 480 or there abouts without cutting it down. With jffs2's compression, it fits in NAND with room to spare. |
| 03:45.03 | dbmoodb | retracile: nice |
| 03:45.22 | retracile | instructions are on the debian wiki; MovingToFlash |
| 03:45.50 | retracile | g'night all. |
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| 05:54.39 | Infinyte | >_> Debian on your phone=Best concept ever |
| 05:55.05 | Infinyte | But hay, does FSO have Text messaging yet? |
| 05:56.39 | CVirus | How slow is debian on the phone ? |
| 05:56.52 | Infinyte | Like, not. xP |
| 05:57.18 | Infinyte | I got Xfce on it, speedy as 2008.8, maybe faster. |
| 05:58.15 | Infinyte | Suppose it'd be even faster if I got an even more light weight window manager |
| 05:58.51 | Infinyte | But I'm diggin' the whole Gnome-style look. |
| 05:59.47 | Infinyte | Currently have QTopia on the phone itself, but I might switch completely to Debian if the FSO has a texting area. |
| 05:59.52 | Infinyte | But I'm pretty sure it doesn't yet. |
| 06:00.03 | lindi- | texting area? |
| 06:00.11 | Infinyte | Err, just texting in general. |
| 06:00.18 | Infinyte | If it's there, I'm blind. >_> |
| 06:00.22 | lindi- | texting? |
| 06:00.27 | lindi- | you mean sms? |
| 06:00.32 | Infinyte | Aye. |
| 06:00.47 | Infinyte | I thought it was only called SMS if it was from a computer to a phone. >_> |
| 06:02.18 | Infinyte | When is it going to be implemented into the FSO? |
| 06:03.41 | lindi- | Infinyte: i can at least receive sms |
| 06:04.00 | Infinyte | Oh? Can you reply to them though? |
| 06:04.49 | lindi- | apt-get source zhone ; grep -r 'sent message' zhone* |
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| 06:06.39 | lindi- | Infinyte: do you know python or C? |
| 06:06.44 | Infinyte | No |
| 06:06.45 | Infinyte | :< |
| 06:07.26 | Infinyte | I just like Linux |
| 06:07.27 | Infinyte | xP |
| 06:07.47 | CM_work | Infinyte: The right answer is: "Not yet!" :) |
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| 06:08.00 | Infinyte | Good point, that. |
| 06:08.03 | Infinyte | Oh wait |
| 06:08.04 | Infinyte | Nevermind |
| 06:08.06 | Infinyte | I found it |
| 06:08.24 | Infinyte | xD There is a text area that you can send/receive in. >_> Haha, awesome. |
| 06:08.33 | CM_work | The Samsung 6410 Wolfgang mentioned in his weekly mail looks really sweet: http://www.embedian.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=231 |
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| 06:09.06 | doc|home | CM_work: open? |
| 06:09.34 | CM_work | doc|home: In the mail he wrote "Planning another attempt at asking Samsung Korea to open up documentation" |
| 06:09.39 | doc|home | catching up on mail |
| 06:09.46 | CM_work | Would be nice if they did :) |
| 06:10.04 | CM_work | Weekly Engineering News 34/2008 in the devel ml |
| 06:10.55 | doc|home | ah, that'd be why I can't see it |
| 06:11.10 | doc|home | it could be faster :o |
| 06:11.23 | doc|home | 533mhz isn't really very fast |
| 06:11.35 | CM_work | True, but I still think that's fast enough |
| 06:11.41 | KenYoung | But it has vector floating point, which would be cool. |
| 06:11.47 | doc|home | yeah, but think where the iphone will be at that time :/ |
| 06:12.10 | doc|home | nice that it has a video coprocessor though, that would help |
| 06:12.11 | CM_work | KenYoung yes, and the gpu and the camera stuff |
| 06:12.23 | CM_work | Exactly |
| 06:12.28 | doc|home | if it can be sufficiently opened :/ |
| 06:12.53 | KenYoung | CM_work, Amazingly, it's still USB 1.1 ! |
| 06:13.03 | doc|home | Compatible with USB specification version 2.0 |
| 06:13.08 | CM_work | I don't think my Neo1973 is all that slow, but graphically it's not exactly quick |
| 06:13.09 | doc|home | One USB client 2.0 interface, supporting high speed as Device (480Mbps, on-chip transceiver). |
| 06:13.18 | KenYoung | doc|home, Oh, I missed that. |
| 06:13.28 | doc|home | Up to 1024x1024 resolutions (TBD) |
| 06:13.32 | doc|home | dribbles a little |
| 06:13.42 | doc|home | uber high res! |
| 06:13.50 | CM_work | KenYoung It's usb 1.1 host |
| 06:13.53 | CM_work | Client 2.0 |
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| 06:14.16 | doc|home | hmmm, tv out, would be nice if there could be a add-on to allow that, could plug phone into tv, play movie :) |
| 06:14.20 | doc|home | lets see the iphone do that! |
| 06:14.32 | CM_work | Yeah, that would be really nice |
| 06:14.36 | wantok | doc|home: you'd hammer the hell out of the cpu |
| 06:14.52 | wantok | and hey, if you find a tv with usb, you could write the extention yourself (!) |
| 06:14.58 | doc|home | wantok: indeed I would, but I'd do so just to annoy iphone users! :D |
| 06:15.08 | wantok | doc|home: :D |
| 06:15.50 | doc|home | CM_work: any idea on power usage? |
| 06:22.11 | Infinyte | There any particular reason why my phone can ping some places (Such as google.com) but not other? (Such as debian.org), when on the same wireless connection that my computer (That can ping both places) is on? |
| 06:22.51 | wantok | dark fibre eating packets |
| 06:23.03 | Infinyte | o.O |
| 06:23.16 | wantok | (i'm sure theres an actual bofh excuse, it just doesnt spring to mind ;}) |
| 06:24.05 | lindi- | Infinyte: tcpdump |
| 06:24.29 | Infinyte | Kay I'll try that, just a sec. |
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| 06:25.45 | CM_work | doc|home: Haven't seen that yet |
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| 06:26.13 | Infinyte | Err.. tcpdump = Command not found Haha |
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| 06:30.17 | Infinyte | Ah interesting. Uhm, nevermind. |
| 06:30.22 | Infinyte | My fault, I fixed it. >_> |
| 06:31.54 | Infinyte | I wonder if synaptic'd run okay on this. :D |
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| 06:38.03 | Infinyte | Zomg |
| 06:38.08 | Infinyte | Firefox on my phone. |
| 06:38.17 | Infinyte | Wait till I tell my granny. xD |
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| 06:45.53 | Infinyte | Wow |
| 06:46.22 | Infinyte | >_> Firefox runs SOOO much better on the Freerunner than Minimo and the Openmoko Browser did. |
| 06:51.57 | KenSentMe | Infinyte, are you running Debian? |
| 06:53.29 | Infinyte | Yessir. |
| 06:53.54 | Infinyte | Installing synaptic now.. |
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| 06:54.04 | Infinyte | Well, almost done installing, actually. |
| 06:56.12 | Infinyte | >_> Yayyy. |
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| 06:58.56 | lindi- | Infinyte: using matchbox keyboard? |
| 06:59.28 | Infinyte | Eh. I think so. >_> I dunno, I'm using the one that came with it. |
| 06:59.29 | Infinyte | xP |
| 06:59.51 | dbmoodb | Infinyte: and konqurorer runs well too |
| 06:59.51 | dbmoodb | uasdfasdf |
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| 06:59.59 | dbmoodb | asdfsdf |
| 07:00.11 | Infinyte | Ah, didn't even think about that. |
| 07:00.16 | Infinyte | That's probably even faster, hmm? |
| 07:00.33 | dbmoodb | yeah dude its even faster. |
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| 07:01.21 | Infinyte | Aw snap, I broked something. >_> How can you fix this? : Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open |
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| 07:01.31 | Infinyte | Pops up when running apt-get install |
| 07:01.35 | Infinyte | No wait |
| 07:01.38 | Infinyte | Nevermind |
| 07:01.41 | wantok | :D |
| 07:01.44 | Infinyte | I know why. XDD Wow, I'm stupid. >_> |
| 07:01.57 | dbmoodb | ... wait for ... yeah dude your too excited .. let me know if you get audio input working tho... i'm stumpted by it |
| 07:02.22 | Infinyte | Audio input? |
| 07:02.34 | Infinyte | I think mines working okay. o_O |
| 07:02.42 | Infinyte | I had someone call me, and we talked just fine. |
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| 07:05.08 | Infinyte | I wonder, any browsers that'd be even faster than Konqueror? |
| 07:05.16 | wantok | elinnks? |
| 07:05.54 | Infinyte | That in the repos? |
| 07:06.36 | wantok | is there anything missing from the repos? :P |
| 07:06.52 | Infinyte | Good point. >_> |
| 07:06.56 | Infinyte | Oh, that reminds me though. |
| 07:07.02 | Infinyte | What program gives you the use of the ping command? |
| 07:07.14 | wantok | huh o_0? |
| 07:07.14 | Infinyte | Because the Debian for the freerunner didn't come with it. O_o |
| 07:07.40 | wantok | iputils-ping |
| 07:07.50 | Infinyte | Ahh, danke. :D |
| 07:07.55 | wantok | dpkg -S ftw :D |
| 07:08.06 | Infinyte | What's that? |
| 07:08.21 | wantok | search. dpkg -S `which ping` |
| 07:08.22 | wantok | iputils-ping: /bin/ping |
| 07:08.28 | Infinyte | Doh |
| 07:09.11 | Infinyte | Synaptic works. xD |
| 07:09.42 | Infinyte | Hmm, I wonder.. |
| 07:09.58 | Infinyte | Think Flash would work very well? >_> |
| 07:10.05 | wantok | *shudder* |
| 07:10.09 | Infinyte | XD |
| 07:10.59 | Infinyte | Hrm, not sure which one of these is the actual flash plugin for iceweasel anyways. |
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| 07:11.55 | wantok | then again. its not an x86, so unless gnash works you wont have flash |
| 07:12.04 | Infinyte | Ah, good point. |
| 07:12.14 | Infinyte | Well nevermind that, it'd be lagcity anyhoo. |
| 07:12.46 | Infinyte | One thing though, is there a GUI program that could manage networks for the Freerunner in Debian that you're aware of? |
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| 07:13.09 | wantok | no idea, i dont use gui's to manage my networks full stop :) |
| 07:13.31 | Infinyte | Ah well, in that case. Does your SIM card have internetz? |
| 07:13.50 | wantok | i havent bought one yet :$ (a sim) |
| 07:13.54 | Infinyte | Ah. |
| 07:13.59 | wantok | when i get one it better though |
| 07:14.08 | Infinyte | Haha, well mine does. But like. |
| 07:14.18 | Infinyte | I sure as heck can't figure out how to get it to connect. |
| 07:14.19 | Infinyte | xD |
| 07:14.26 | wantok | aw. |
| 07:14.39 | wantok | gprs not working under debian yet :(? |
| 07:14.49 | Infinyte | I dunno. |
| 07:14.53 | wantok | lucky i guess, i'll not have to worry for a few more weeks that it doesnt work ;) |
| 07:14.59 | Infinyte | >_> What's gprs? Bwahaha |
| 07:15.21 | wantok | jfgi :P |
| 07:15.24 | lindi- | wantok: works for me, why not read the lists? ;) |
| 07:15.38 | wantok | lindi-: because i dont even have a sim yet :) |
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| 07:16.52 | methril | morning |
| 07:17.27 | Rakshasa | mornin' |
| 07:17.42 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:18.07 | Infinyte | Mornin'. |
| 07:20.05 | Infinyte | Arr. >_> Well. I have all the addresses and junk from my phone supplier. But the guides on the Wiki for gprs is simply gibberish to me. Err, for the most part. I get some of it, but anything I try ultimately gets me nowhere. |
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| 07:25.25 | Infinyte | Hey Lindi. Are you using multiplexing? So you get calls and can be on the internet at the same time? |
| 07:27.03 | TAsn | Infinyte, isn't that trivial? |
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| 07:27.39 | Infinyte | I suppose to an extent, but what if you don't want to miss a call? :D |
| 07:30.40 | Infinyte | Ooo |
| 07:30.41 | Infinyte | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO |
| 07:30.45 | Infinyte | This makes it look easy. |
| 07:30.46 | Infinyte | >_> |
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| 07:32.59 | Infinyte | But alas, that place doesn't seem to... Ehh, exist in Debian. At least not that I can find. BUT, that's okay. They're working on a GUI anyways. Supposedly. So I can be lazy and wait. xD |
| 07:34.07 | Infinyte | On another note. |
| 07:34.17 | Infinyte | Any way to.. Like... Emulate a Right-Click in debian? |
| 07:35.07 | XorA | there is a little gtk+ systray applet that can emulate right click |
| 07:35.18 | XorA | I cant remeber name off top of my head though |
| 07:35.25 | XorA | xmousekey or something like that |
| 07:36.29 | Infinyte | Hmm |
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| 07:36.48 | XorA | Infinyte: xmonobut :-) |
| 07:36.59 | Infinyte | :o |
| 07:37.03 | Infinyte | Danke. <3 |
| 07:37.04 | XorA | which seems to not be in debian :-( |
| 07:37.07 | Infinyte | Oh |
| 07:37.08 | Infinyte | :< |
| 07:37.22 | XorA | could of sworn it used to be |
| 07:39.40 | Infinyte | Hmm, I want to try a messenger. >_> Pidgin's kinda resource intensive though |
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| 07:41.28 | Infinyte | Regardless, it works. :D |
| 07:41.57 | PhoneY | And well. |
| 07:42.06 | Infinyte | Yes, PhoneY=Me. |
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| 07:42.34 | lindi- | Infinyte: i have received call while on gprs, have not tested if i can send ip packets |
| 07:42.45 | Infinyte | Ah |
| 07:42.47 | lindi- | Infinyte: the mailing list has patches and discussion on right click |
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| 07:43.23 | PhoneY | Ahhkay. |
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| 07:46.43 | Infinyte | >_> Woaaah, I can use VLC now. |
| 07:46.48 | Infinyte | Lesse if it works. X) |
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| 07:47.40 | Infinyte | Haha, I'm probably annoying you all to death, huh? |
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| 07:51.22 | Infinyte | Well anyhoo, time for bed. |
| 07:51.29 | Infinyte | Thanks for all the halp guys. :D |
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| 07:56.58 | Infinyte | Oh and, VLC works, but I can't hear anything it plays. :< Another challenge for the morrow I suppose. |
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| 07:58.26 | Infinyte | Recommend me some games that'd work on the Freerunner in debian whilst I'm gone? XD |
| 07:59.04 | Bill_ | Infinyte: openttd? |
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| 07:59.55 | lindi- | it's not in official debian, is there even any free graphics to use it? |
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| 08:00.47 | Bill_ | not as far as i know |
| 08:00.55 | Bill_ | but i can share :P |
| 08:01.07 | Bill_ | it should be abandonware anyway |
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| 08:01.37 | lindi- | that doesn't unfortunately meet the goals. http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 08:02.14 | Bill_ | bah.. debian with its legal :) |
| 08:02.51 | Infinyte | Oh, I should ask before I go. Would it be faster to use the ext2 filesystem on Debian? |
| 08:03.08 | lindi- | than? |
| 08:03.17 | Infinyte | Oh, than FAT |
| 08:03.38 | mjr | umm, you don't use fat anyway |
| 08:03.58 | Infinyte | But I did: SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all |
| 08:04.01 | mjr | except maybe for the kernel, if you want to go the easier uboot route, but it's quite irrelevant what fs that resides on |
| 08:04.18 | Infinyte | Ah |
| 08:04.34 | mjr | it's just loaded once on boot, you know... |
| 08:07.57 | Zorkman | anybody has a build environment and likes games? |
| 08:08.13 | Zorkman | there is a bitbake recipe for battle of wesnoth in oe |
| 08:09.00 | lindi- | fortunately debian has it already :) |
| 08:09.48 | mjr | is currently limited to a chrooted debian for his debian stuff, since doesn't quite trust that with his calls yet |
| 08:10.20 | Zorkman | have you played it on debian lindi-? |
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| 08:19.08 | lindi- | Zorkman: i could not get it to use 640x480 |
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| 08:19.41 | lindi- | mjr: the trick is to run gnu screen. you have frameworkd in one window and zhone in one window, under python debugger |
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| 08:20.31 | lindi- | when something fails you can walk to nearest computer, ssh in and investigate state of the program :) |
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| 08:33.35 | mjr | lindi-, I see! |
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| 08:57.36 | fale | hello |
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| 08:59.35 | pabs3 | waves to fale |
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| 09:00.08 | fale | hi pabs3 |
| 09:00.32 | fale | pabs3: have you putted the GPS patch? |
| 09:00.52 | pabs3 | GPS patch? |
| 09:01.10 | fale | pabs3: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 09:01.36 | pabs3 | oh, not sure, I just use the kernel Debian downloads, presumably that has the fix because it works |
| 09:02.11 | pabs3 | about 40s to get the first fix |
| 09:02.26 | fale | I see |
| 09:02.27 | pabs3 | about 40s to get the first GPS fix |
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| 09:03.09 | lindi- | pabs3: soon we will be able to apt-get source the kernel too and the mystery goes away when we can just read the diff |
| 09:03.58 | fale | lindi-: do you use debian too? |
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| 09:04.04 | pabs3 | lindi-: openmoko are sending their patches upstream?? or do I misunderstand? |
| 09:08.08 | fale | someone have tried to install QTopia? |
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| 09:12.10 | lpotter | i have installed Qtopia |
| 09:13.02 | fale | lpotter: how it goes? |
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| 09:19.48 | Bill_ | fale: qtopia is nice.. actually working phone environment |
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| 09:20.22 | fale | Bill_: ok, but like... the calls work? |
| 09:20.34 | Bill_ | almost everything works |
| 09:20.46 | fale | Bill_: what doesn't? |
| 09:21.05 | Bill_ | it lacks a web browser and gps apps.. |
| 09:21.21 | Bill_ | otherwise it's really good... and fast |
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| 09:21.35 | fale | Bill_: as gps app there isn't marble? |
| 09:22.03 | Bill_ | afaik not |
| 09:22.40 | Bill_ | luckily qtopia 4.4 is coming in few weeks and that should cover both of these issues |
| 09:22.52 | fale | wonderfull :) |
| 09:23.09 | fale | Bill_: and as apps that you can put on qtopia... is there a list? |
| 09:24.16 | Bill_ | not really... generally Qtopia apps should work but it think they need to get recompiled for OM and i don't know of anyone doing that really.. |
| 09:24.26 | pabs3 | wonders if anyone tried maemo on the freerunner |
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| 09:27.03 | lpotter | pabs3: probably not, as maemo is mostly for the n8x0 devices, and most of it is proprietary |
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| 09:29.02 | fale | Bill_: are there some schedule about qtopia 4.4? |
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| 09:30.54 | lindi- | fale: yes |
| 09:31.03 | lindi- | pabs3: not sure |
| 09:31.22 | fale | lindi-: I see |
| 09:32.06 | CM_work | thinks lpotter might have some educated guesses about the 4.4 schedule :) |
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| 09:32.38 | fale | CM_work: lpotter is a qtopia dev? |
| 09:32.45 | CM_work | Yes |
| 09:32.52 | lpotter | who me? |
| 09:33.07 | fale | yep |
| 09:33.17 | lpotter | i know exactly when the 4.4 will be released, but cannot say |
| 09:33.23 | lpotter | :) |
| 09:33.27 | lpotter | so ner |
| 09:33.32 | fale | ner? |
| 09:33.57 | CM_work | than la ter? |
| 09:34.13 | fale | la ter? |
| 09:34.32 | lpotter | ner.. i guess that might be an australianism |
| 09:34.48 | fale | lpotter: for the eng-0 like me? |
| 09:35.42 | fale | pabs3: ispossible to put two SO on the openmoko? |
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| 09:37.33 | |Marco| | is it possible to switch off the "fade" effect in ASU 2008.8 ? |
| 09:38.45 | fale | thinks he will use the openomoko 2008.8 until qtopia 4.4 will be released (hoping that qtopia will be released before the phone arrives to my house) |
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| 09:40.04 | lpotter | possibly |
| 09:40.33 | fale | lpotter: :D |
| 09:40.48 | fale | lpotter: qtopia 4.4 will use the 3D accellerator? |
| 09:41.07 | pabs3 | fale: what do you mean by "SO"? |
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| 09:41.26 | fale | pabs3: sorry SO is italian, OS (Operative Systems) |
| 09:42.17 | pabs3 | fale: ah. I saw on the Qtopia page on the openmoko wiki there is the possibility to dual-boot |
| 09:42.38 | pabs3 | other option is to have one sd card per OS |
| 09:43.01 | fale | I see |
| 09:43.56 | |Marco| | is anyone working on ASU2008.8's speed? I see qpe is eating 75% load... that can't be good... |
| 09:44.26 | lpotter | whats qtopia doing? starting up? |
| 09:44.49 | Bill_ | probably it's just scanning for mediafiles and documents |
| 09:44.54 | fale | lpotter: are there public beta for qtopia 4.4? |
| 09:45.06 | lpotter | not at this time |
| 09:45.29 | Bill_ | lpotter: can i get a private one? :P |
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| 09:46.34 | fale | offers himself with Bill_ :D |
| 09:46.53 | lpotter | only if you are a big company named Nokia :) |
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| 09:47.24 | fale | lpotter: in that case I'll have a 5k dollars phone, not an openmoko :D |
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| 09:49.32 | Zorkman | anybody has a build environment and likes games? there is a bibtbake recipe in om for the battle for wesnoth |
| 09:50.45 | |Marco| | with what Zorkman just said, has anyonw been able to compile qte-mt-static ? |
| 09:50.55 | |Marco| | it's buged out on me every single time |
| 09:51.05 | Zorkman | josch on #mokopedia had no problem doing it... |
| 09:51.55 | Zorkman | i'll ask him |
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| 10:03.54 | nyu | Zorkman: I played wesnoth yesterday |
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| 10:05.48 | Zoup_ | anyone has experience on setting up gprs ? chat scripts timeout on /dev/ttySAC0 , |
| 10:09.33 | nyu | Zorkman: havent' found how to fix the resolution though. wqhere's that recipe? |
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| 10:13.24 | nyu | is there a command to rotate the screen? |
| 10:14.39 | Zorkman | nyu: xrandr -o 1 |
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| 10:18.09 | dolf1074 | Can somebody describe what Qi is? |
| 10:18.30 | Zorkman | nyu: i know nothing of bibake, but can this help?: http://de.pastebin.ca/1081129 |
| 10:18.38 | Zorkman | dolf1074: it's liek u-boot |
| 10:18.40 | Zorkman | *like |
| 10:18.55 | nyu | Zorkman: thanks, this worked nice |
| 10:19.02 | Zorkman | np |
| 10:19.02 | nyu | too bad wesnoth still wants 800 pixels |
| 10:19.15 | Zorkman | :( |
| 10:19.32 | nyu | Zorkman: nah, using precompiled packages here |
| 10:20.26 | dolf1074 | So Qi has nothing to do with http://n2.nabble.com/Repository-and-Images-tp784083p786400.html? |
| 10:20.54 | nyu | oh, and touch input stopped working |
| 10:21.48 | Zorkman | :( |
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| 10:22.38 | Zorkman | i've asked josch on #mokopedia, when he reads it and responds i'll report back... |
| 10:22.47 | nyu | thanks |
| 10:23.32 | Zorkman | it exists for debian, maybe that can help... |
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| 10:25.31 | kushal | Zorkman, thanks again :) |
| 10:25.53 | Zorkman | hehe np kushal |
| 10:26.03 | Zorkman | enjoy the FR, i'm gonna do some work, bye |
| 10:26.33 | kushal | bye |
| 10:27.55 | opendeep | I installed python-pygtk on the device ,then I came to know it has broken, so how can I get stable package |
| 10:28.20 | opendeep | feed path i need to update? |
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| 10:32.35 | nyu | Zorkman: oh, --enable-tinygui |
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| 10:36.12 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r1d2b5fe28f59 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/ (channel.py mediator.py): |
| 10:36.12 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Enable PDU mode and use it in SimRetrieveMessagebook |
| 10:36.12 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: Note: +CSMS=1 seems to fail in PDU mode |
| 10:36.12 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r2efc01c2f922 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (const.py sms.py): |
| 10:36.17 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add a direction attribute for the SMS object |
| 10:36.19 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: MT: Mobile terminated, MO: Mobile originated |
| 10:36.21 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * rdaeb328662a7 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): |
| 10:36.24 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add functions to encode SMS back to PDUs |
| 10:36.26 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: This is still buggy, pack_sevenbit doesn't work if UDH are present. |
| 10:36.28 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * rb42a7bb94a0b 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Use and test the PDU generation code |
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| 10:52.32 | nyu | how do you hook things into the om2007 menu? |
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| 10:54.28 | pabs3 | nyu: it uses the freedesktop menu spec iirc, so drop a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications |
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| 10:57.39 | Tanuva | sadly, that doesn't work for xfce4 >:< |
| 10:59.56 | opendeep | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/python-pygtk_2.10.4-ml8_armv4t.ipk |
| 11:01.17 | opendeep | I downloaded above package but it is giving from gtk import _gtk |
| 11:01.17 | opendeep | ImportError: No module named cairo |
| 11:01.56 | Tanuva | I've never seen the underscore there... |
| 11:02.07 | opendeep | error, might be broken package. So can anyone know other feed path names? |
| 11:03.10 | Tanuva | opendeep: pygtk is (afaik!) "only" a wrapper to the c-gtk-libs, so you need to install the real cairo lib I think... |
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| 11:04.07 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r710961d27759 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred-om-versions] increase libSDL version |
| 11:04.07 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rfe2f30fe0366 10/packages/python/ (python-pygame-1.8.1/Setup python-pygame_1.8.1.bb): [python-pygame] fix the building with SDL |
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| 11:13.45 | nyu | pabs3: ah ok |
| 11:13.50 | nyu | pabs3: you got one of those too? :-) |
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| 11:28.10 | opendeep | Tanuva:Pycairo is upto date |
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| 11:28.43 | opendeep | I need some other feed path for these libraries |
| 11:29.29 | qtn00b | does somebody have a problem with the qtopia sdk vmware image and not being able to connect via runqpe (bounce) |
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| 11:36.03 | Dave | pabs! :D |
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| 11:38.50 | Dave | leaky leaky programses |
| 11:39.12 | bumbl | Davey |
| 11:39.21 | bumbl | always ranting |
| 11:39.23 | bumbl | good man |
| 11:39.24 | Dave | Hello Bumble :D |
| 11:39.26 | Dave | heh |
| 11:39.40 | Dave | Well, that's what happens when your freerunner gets 1d+ uptime |
| 11:39.54 | Dave | hald and openmoko-today are notoriously the worst offenders |
| 11:40.09 | Dave | taking tens to hundreds of megabytes of memory :( |
| 11:40.13 | Dave | pos :D |
| 11:40.50 | Dave | When neod breaks down, things tend to stop working altogether first, so usually it's less of a leak and more of an explosion - which warrants an immediate reset ;p |
| 11:41.04 | bumbl | hehe |
| 11:41.16 | bumbl | stop using 2007.2 |
| 11:43.06 | Dave | Never! |
| 11:43.27 | Dave | It is ironically the most usable, in my opinion :P |
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| 11:48.32 | bumbl | Dave: yes and no |
| 11:48.40 | bumbl | fso is quite useable too |
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| 11:50.50 | bumbl | ASU is not there yet and will maybe never be |
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| 11:52.32 | Dave | yeah but FSO has cooties |
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| 11:52.37 | TAsn | i heard that qtopia is juite good, how is it when it comes to suspend? |
| 11:52.37 | Dave | and ASU is... yeah... never going to? |
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| 11:52.48 | Dave | When they merge, it will be historic, and chaotic. |
| 11:53.04 | Dave | Tasn, it works fine, but other than a phone, it does nothing spectacular (yet) |
| 11:53.13 | Dave | come back in a month or so when it finally adopts a browser |
| 11:53.28 | Dave | qtopia is awesome at what it does well, but when it fails, it fails hard (as I've found) :x |
| 11:53.30 | TAsn | what's the battery time with qtopia? |
| 11:53.37 | TAsn | what did it do? |
| 11:53.38 | Dave | comparable? |
| 11:53.41 | Dave | failed hard |
| 11:54.01 | TAsn | absolute battery time, no compared to anything |
| 11:54.10 | TAsn | Dave, define failed hard |
| 11:55.01 | Dave | read my rantings |
| 11:55.02 | Dave | :p |
| 11:55.09 | TAsn | where at? |
| 11:55.09 | Dave | I should blog this shit, sadly enough. |
| 11:55.11 | Dave | haha |
| 11:55.17 | TAsn | hehe exactly ;) |
| 11:55.17 | Dave | Dave's RSS feed |
| 11:55.24 | Dave | where the R stands for Rant |
| 11:56.11 | Dave | tasn, but it's wireless superfucked up |
| 11:56.18 | TAsn | i c. |
| 11:56.21 | Dave | as well as its context menus, in a super related megafail |
| 11:56.27 | TAsn | well no qtopia for me then :) |
| 11:56.30 | Dave | haha |
| 11:56.34 | TAsn | i guess i will try asu ;0 |
| 11:56.38 | Dave | well, I'd say if yo uplan on using it as a phone it's great |
| 11:56.40 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r0a01a5d73ec6 10/src/zhone: apply fix for gps signal strength (thanks quickdev) |
| 11:56.44 | Dave | as a pda, it's decent, and works |
| 11:56.55 | Dave | but if you want to do anything else like gps or internet, it doesn't do it at all |
| 11:56.55 | TAsn | Dave, it will be my major phone |
| 11:56.59 | Dave | Ah |
| 11:57.05 | Dave | Well it's pretty good at that stuff |
| 11:57.06 | TAsn | but i don't use my phone that much anyway |
| 11:57.12 | Dave | heh :] |
| 11:57.16 | TAsn | im buying it |
| 11:57.22 | Dave | but if you receive a call you don't want to get it ten minutes later :P |
| 11:57.23 | TAsn | as a gameboy |
| 11:57.27 | Dave | haha |
| 11:57.29 | Dave | woo |
| 11:57.29 | TAsn | a really geeky one ;0 |
| 11:57.33 | Dave | ;D |
| 11:57.39 | Dave | beats that crappy dslinux :p |
| 11:57.50 | TAsn | i won't play games |
| 11:57.56 | TAsn | i will just play hacking ;0 |
| 11:58.03 | TAsn | *hacking* |
| 11:58.04 | TAsn | as a name |
| 11:58.11 | TAsn | not a verb |
| 11:58.24 | TAsn | tinker with the phone all day long sounds fun enough :) |
| 11:59.00 | bumbl | TAsn: that's exactly why I bought it |
| 11:59.10 | bumbl | and because my 6230i sucks hard |
| 11:59.17 | Dave | :D |
| 11:59.20 | TAsn | i have an half dead 6680 |
| 11:59.20 | TAsn | :) |
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| 11:59.30 | TAsn | i can carry another phone with me |
| 11:59.38 | TAsn | i have a small phone which it's name i can't recall\ |
| 11:59.47 | TAsn | and dual gsm line |
| 11:59.52 | TAsn | or what ever it's name is. :) |
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| 12:00.33 | bumbl | wants dualsim for gta04 |
| 12:00.53 | Dave | hell yeah! |
| 12:00.57 | Dave | high-fives bumble |
| 12:01.11 | Zorkman | wants no interference for gta04 :) |
| 12:01.16 | Zoup_ | anyone has experience on GPRS ? i have already read Manual GPRS wiki article , my issue is that /dev/ttySAC0 does not responsd to chat scripts |
| 12:01.31 | Dave | duckhunt, with mini lightgun usb attachment! |
| 12:01.31 | Dave | :D |
| 12:01.35 | TAsn | bumbl, what dou you want that for? |
| 12:01.40 | Dave | ^_^ |
| 12:01.49 | Zoup_ | Dave: can you please freeze me until my GPRS problem get solved ? :) |
| 12:01.57 | Dave | Yes |
| 12:01.57 | bumbl | TAsn: one for a data plan and one for a normal phone plan |
| 12:02.01 | Dave | freezes Zoup |
| 12:02.05 | TAsn | Zoup_, what page did you read? |
| 12:02.17 | Dave | uggh, my freerunner needs more memory :( |
| 12:02.17 | TAsn | bumbl, can't you just combine them on the same card? |
| 12:02.24 | bumbl | TAsn: too expensive |
| 12:02.31 | mjr | bumbl, ah, so you actually want a provider with a sane pricing plan |
| 12:02.32 | TAsn | my data plan and regular phone use the same card. |
| 12:02.35 | mjr | move to finland ;) |
| 12:02.36 | Dave | a bigger internal flash would be nice |
| 12:02.37 | Zoup_ | TAsn: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS |
| 12:02.42 | Dave | mjr, never! |
| 12:02.50 | TAsn | Zoup_, thanks. |
| 12:03.03 | Dave | bumble, yeah that's funny. |
| 12:03.03 | bumbl | my phone plan is awesome when it comes to sms and phone calls but it is really expensive for data |
| 12:03.15 | Dave | Here, if you DON'T get them together it's ridiculously expensive. |
| 12:03.24 | Dave | yeah, data... ~_~ |
| 12:03.31 | Dave | expensive rape |
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| 12:05.30 | TAsn | i pay 4 usd per month for a flat rate 2nd gen gprs |
| 12:05.37 | Dave | ooh la la |
| 12:05.39 | bumbl | I mean a HSPA flat (HSDPA + HSUPA) costs ~20⬠I think; 3gb cost 9,9⬠- with my phone plan I would pay >200⬠for 3gb |
| 12:05.41 | TAsn | which is reasonable enough in my opinion. |
| 12:05.52 | Dave | scary foreign currencies |
| 12:06.09 | Dave | bumble, that doesn't make any sense? |
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| 12:06.38 | bumbl | ? |
| 12:06.55 | bumbl | 20⬠are ~ $29.4 |
| 12:07.04 | Dave | huh? |
| 12:07.11 | Dave | two hundred euros for what!? |
| 12:07.14 | maroi | bumbl: 3? |
| 12:07.14 | Dave | a freerunner!? |
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| 12:07.31 | bumbl | Dave: 3 gigabyte data |
| 12:07.52 | bumbl | I know the freerunner can't handle that much |
| 12:07.55 | Dave | craziness? |
| 12:08.00 | Dave | bumble, oh yeah? :P |
| 12:08.13 | Dave | it didn't even handle my 300M usb data transfer :P |
| 12:08.15 | Dave | :D |
| 12:08.31 | bumbl | Dave: gprs is more expensive than umts here |
| 12:08.40 | Dave | o_O |
| 12:08.45 | Dave | gprs blows |
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| 12:08.54 | Dave | I should be thankful I have EVDO here. |
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| 12:09.06 | Dave | It negates the need for Wifi on most phones. |
| 12:09.29 | Dave | (take THAT Edge) |
| 12:10.12 | Shlee | Does the tango GPS tool use openstreetmaps? |
| 12:10.23 | Dave | tool? |
| 12:10.28 | Dave | tangogps uses osm, yes |
| 12:10.32 | Dave | [by default] |
| 12:11.52 | Tig| | it even has a little logging option to help you trap new traces |
| 12:13.01 | Zorkman | And a friends function to ee if Dave and lazy lulu have already met |
| 12:13.03 | bumbl | Shlee: it is also capable of using google maps |
| 12:13.07 | Zorkman | (and killed eachother) |
| 12:13.13 | Dave | o_o |
| 12:13.15 | Dave | Wtf? |
| 12:13.22 | Dave | THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! |
| 12:13.29 | Zorkman | yeah, lulu came in here a whila ago |
| 12:13.30 | Dave | ... what are we talking about? :p |
| 12:13.37 | Zorkman | she said you're a dead man |
| 12:13.54 | Zorkman | maybe she knows voodoo |
| 12:14.11 | Wonka | EVDO? |
| 12:14.11 | Tig| | I am not sure Dave, one minute it was OSM next it is TangoGPS' highlander function :P |
| 12:14.13 | Zorkman | she's gonna collect some hair of you and make a doll |
| 12:14.15 | Dave | Zorkman, ernstig? |
| 12:14.27 | Zorkman | nee, ben maar aan't zeveren |
| 12:14.32 | Dave | Tig :D |
| 12:14.35 | Dave | Wonka, yes |
| 12:14.43 | Wonka | Dave: what's that? |
| 12:14.55 | Dave | Wonka, ... look it up? |
| 12:15.00 | Dave | other than awesome :P |
| 12:15.17 | Shlee | Tig|: Tracing new streets might be a good idea.. they are missing afew in my area :) |
| 12:15.31 | Shlee | and the train stations are wrong.. |
| 12:15.39 | Shlee | should really learn how to edit that system |
| 12:15.42 | Dave | Shlee :) |
| 12:15.48 | Dave | it's easy, and can be fun! |
| 12:15.48 | Dave | :D |
| 12:16.12 | Wonka | Dave: mh. ok. HSPA seems faster than that. |
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| 12:16.17 | pabs3 | nyu: yep, running Debian atm |
| 12:16.18 | Dave | shrugs |
| 12:16.27 | pabs3 | waves to Dave |
| 12:16.27 | Zorkman | anyvody using rasters image? |
| 12:16.43 | Wonka | Dave: anyway, data via phone provider costs you money, data via free wireless lan doesn't. |
| 12:16.44 | Dave | Wonka, it's the fastest consumer data rate signal in the US, anyway. |
| 12:16.59 | Dave | Wonka, yes, and no. |
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| 12:17.18 | Dave | If you use a FREE WAP it costs you simply airtime (no data plan needed). |
| 12:17.23 | Dave | Otherwise, yes :P |
| 12:17.37 | Dave | But if you're already paying for unlimited data plan, who cares! |
| 12:17.50 | Wonka | here in kiel, there's a growing number of free WAPs... http://www.tng-spot.de/ ;) |
| 12:17.50 | Dave | Like work pays for my unlimited phone data plan, so why not enjoy it, right? :P |
| 12:17.57 | Dave | Wonka ;) |
| 12:17.59 | Dave | pabs! |
| 12:18.09 | Dave | hops aboard pab's boat |
| 12:18.15 | Dave | Ahoy, matey :) |
| 12:18.22 | pabs3 | heh :) |
| 12:18.23 | Wonka | WLAN is up to 54mbps, GPRS not even near that. |
| 12:18.48 | mjr | it's near 54kbps though :) |
| 12:18.55 | Dave | icky |
| 12:19.10 | Dave | USB is stinky. |
| 12:19.17 | Zorkman | my wlan only gets 90-100kb/sec :(:( |
| 12:19.22 | Wonka | aaaand: i'd like to be able to dialin via $phonestuff and provide network to several people via WLAN |
| 12:19.23 | Zorkman | don't know what the hell is wrong with it |
| 12:19.23 | Dave | boohoo |
| 12:19.30 | Dave | heh |
| 12:19.33 | Dave | hostap? |
| 12:19.54 | Wonka | yes... but first, master mode support in firmware, then driver. |
| 12:20.02 | Dave | Zorkman, ze belgie are zwak! |
| 12:20.02 | Wonka | ad-hoc mode works already |
| 12:20.06 | Dave | yep |
| 12:20.15 | Dave | Wonka, agreed. :) |
| 12:20.19 | Dave | I like your evil plans! |
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| 12:20.52 | Dave | just got an urge to watch Dune on the Freerunner |
| 12:21.07 | Wonka | but the big showstopper is the 3g sim problem |
| 12:21.18 | Dave | and the lack of 3G? :p |
| 12:21.22 | Dave | heh |
| 12:21.41 | Zorkman | Dave: through ethernet i can download 1.9MB/sec... but with the FR wifi there's a difference with factor 20 |
| 12:21.59 | Dave | heh, yep |
| 12:22.14 | Dave | did someone try installing windows on a freerunner yet? XD |
| 12:22.25 | Dave | I almost wonder what that would look like... |
| 12:22.37 | Wonka | Dave: it doesn't even do 2.5G atm |
| 12:23.20 | Wonka | Dave: GTA03 might be a big help there |
| 12:23.41 | Wonka | Dave: iff they use an other gprs modem there |
| 12:23.45 | TAsn | worst case scenario |
| 12:23.52 | TAsn | you can always plug an external |
| 12:23.54 | TAsn | 3g modem ;0 |
| 12:24.42 | Wonka | TAsn: atm, i plug the 3G SIM with the data plan into my Siemens S65 (that does GPRS), activate BT on S65 and FR, and do PPPoE over BT |
| 12:24.53 | Wonka | TAsn: eats battery like crazy on the S65 |
| 12:25.03 | TAsn | but cool as hell on the moko ;0 |
| 12:25.22 | Wonka | by the way, BT... pand is still missing |
| 12:25.45 | Wonka | it was there, once |
| 12:25.57 | Wonka | and got lost on upgrading, some day |
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| 12:34.46 | |Marco| | is there a package I'm missing when python(gtk, etc..) cant find cairo even if pycairo ++ is installed on the freerunner ? |
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| 12:34.59 | Dave | haha tasn |
| 12:35.02 | Dave | if ONLY |
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| 12:35.39 | Dave | marco, maybe you need to install some python packages? |
| 12:35.49 | |Marco| | I just did |
| 12:35.53 | |Marco| | .. |
| 12:35.56 | Dave | yay? |
| 12:36.21 | Zorkman | marco: is this you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVamvA81gDI ? |
| 12:36.57 | |Marco| | oh crap... |
| 12:37.13 | Zorkman | :) gotcha :) |
| 12:37.20 | |Marco| | god help me now :D |
| 12:37.33 | Zorkman | I'm anxious to hear what you're gonna say about the FR :) |
| 12:37.48 | Dave | :D |
| 12:37.52 | Dave | What happened? :D |
| 12:38.04 | |Marco| | Dave: I don't think there are any other cairo packages that are not installed right now |
| 12:38.15 | Dave | other than libcairo2? |
| 12:38.22 | |Marco| | that one to |
| 12:38.23 | Dave | and whatever python package you need to interface |
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| 12:38.27 | |Marco| | jep |
| 12:38.40 | Dave | So then what are you complaining about? :) |
| 12:38.50 | Dave | Zorkman, did you discover marco's secret internet identity or something? |
| 12:38.53 | |Marco| | I'm not complaining... python is... |
| 12:38.59 | |Marco| | hehehehee |
| 12:39.12 | Dave | python is ... *hiss* ? |
| 12:39.18 | |Marco| | mmmhm |
| 12:39.21 | Dave | needs more badger? |
| 12:39.29 | Dave | -_- |
| 12:39.30 | |Marco| | I AM the badger ;) |
| 12:39.35 | Zorkman | :) |
| 12:39.35 | Dave | :O |
| 12:39.42 | |Marco| | or so nicknamed because of grey hair |
| 12:39.46 | Dave | confiscates Marco's shrooms |
| 12:39.49 | Zorkman | damn that are a lot of screens marco :) |
| 12:39.58 | Dave | Zorkman, what are you doing there? |
| 12:39.59 | |Marco| | Zorkman: neh :D |
| 12:40.12 | Zorkman | I'm looking at |Marco|'s video |
| 12:40.15 | |Marco| | Dave: he's looking at my youtube vid's |
| 12:40.22 | Dave | oh, blah. |
| 12:40.27 | |Marco| | hehe |
| 12:40.31 | Zorkman | (and looking at his sketches; i'm a voyeur :)) |
| 12:40.34 | |Marco| | Dave: hold on, I'l make a pastebin |
| 12:40.36 | Dave | porn! |
| 12:40.58 | |Marco| | um, good luck finding porn on eather my youtube account or my website |
| 12:41.06 | Dave | uhh |
| 12:41.10 | Dave | Youtoube is nothing but porn |
| 12:41.16 | Dave | including freerunner porn! |
| 12:41.22 | Dave | mokoporn |
| 12:41.30 | |Marco| | true :D |
| 12:41.37 | ieatlint | lol. there's a "snowman" character in unicode? |
| 12:41.37 | Zorkman | moko needs more viagra |
| 12:41.46 | Dave | Freerunners Gone Wild 6 |
| 12:41.51 | |Marco| | gah |
| 12:42.04 | Dave | :D |
| 12:42.23 | Zorkman | lol @ scrolling at the bottom |Marco| :) |
| 12:42.27 | ieatlint | http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2603/index.htm |
| 12:42.31 | Dave | o_o |
| 12:42.34 | kW | hello, does anybody know how to create offline maps with "om-locations-map-pack"? |
| 12:42.35 | ieatlint | best unicode character ever |
| 12:42.35 | |Marco| | Dave: http://pastebin.com/m375e0ca2 |
| 12:42.45 | Zorkman | wtf ieatlint |
| 12:42.57 | Dave | LINT |
| 12:43.00 | |Marco| | Zorkman: meh.. :D |
| 12:43.11 | ieatlint | hey dave |
| 12:43.28 | Dave | Freerunner needs more unicode! |
| 12:43.42 | Dave | I want to send snowmen to people! |
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| 12:43.59 | Dave | Joerg, bad news, dude. |
| 12:44.05 | |Marco| | ooh.. "Good morning Dave" (with a certain round red-glowing walleye on screen) |
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| 12:44.20 | |Marco| | what movie ;) |
| 12:44.20 | Dave | stabbity-stabs Marco |
| 12:44.29 | |Marco| | heeey |
| 12:44.45 | ieatlint | i'm afraid i can't let you do that, dave |
| 12:44.51 | |Marco| | Independence Day ? |
| 12:44.55 | |Marco| | hehehe |
| 12:45.06 | Dave | stabs ieatlint in the face with his burning magnesium dagger of greeting |
| 12:45.07 | jOERG_zzZZzz | Dave: don't tell me about "bad news"!!! |
| 12:45.15 | |Marco| | bah, um, Dave did you look at the pastebin ? |
| 12:45.18 | Dave | Joerg, I still have interference :| |
| 12:45.30 | Dave | how much was it intended to reduce? |
| 12:45.49 | jOERG_zzZZzz | what U r talking about??? |
| 12:45.53 | Dave | GSM INTERFERENCE |
| 12:45.57 | Dave | MY TI EXPLODES THINGS |
| 12:45.59 | Dave | :( |
| 12:46.20 | Dave | I need a shielded container for my freerunner |
| 12:47.20 | Dave | Freerunner EMPs? |
| 12:47.21 | Dave | Terrorists Win? |
| 12:47.21 | jOERG_zzZZzz | really don't like this strange kind of [conversation|humor...?] |
| 12:47.21 | Dave | Sorry. |
| 12:47.27 | Dave | Joerg, but I thought you had pushed that patch which was intended to reduce the GSM interference the other day. |
| 12:47.27 | Zorkman | jOERG_zzZZzz: Dave just forgot to take his meds :) |
| 12:47.40 | Dave | Fuck you, Zorkman. |
| 12:47.45 | |Marco| | just like the rest of us |
| 12:47.49 | Zorkman | it is funny that your name is jOERG_zzZZzz though, it could be interpreted als jOERG_zzZZzzGSMINTERFERENCEzzZZzZZ |
| 12:47.51 | jOERG_zzZZzz | doesn't help me to get alarmed by stupid IRC-msgs |
| 12:48.04 | Dave | :( |
| 12:48.07 | ieatlint | there there dave, calm down... |
| 12:48.11 | Dave | throws his freerunner out the window |
| 12:48.13 | ieatlint | here, have some whiskey |
| 12:48.23 | Zorkman | gets Dave's FR and has a a spare :) |
| 12:48.24 | Dave | throws a bottle of JD at ieatlint |
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| 12:49.19 | Rupert_ | I just installed from http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ Phone won't boot that software which seems very strange. has anybody used it? |
| 12:49.28 | Dave | I need to find out what ideal signal strength is for gsm |
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| 12:50.53 | Zorkman | Rupert_: i have tried it and it works |
| 12:51.00 | Zorkman | have you flashed the rootfs and the kernel? |
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| 12:51.12 | Dave | ⨠|
| 12:51.33 | bumbl | Dave: there was a patch for the interference issue? |
| 12:51.35 | bumbl | where? |
| 12:51.54 | Dave | Ask Joerg, he posted it a day or so ago! |
| 12:51.58 | Dave | check your logs? :) |
| 12:52.08 | Zorkman | Dave: there is no patch |
| 12:52.10 | XorA | physical patch :-) |
| 12:52.12 | bumbl | and: the more annoying thing is the echo the non freerunner gets |
| 12:52.19 | XorA | a patch of tape to be precise :-D |
| 12:52.24 | Dave | heh, xora |
| 12:52.31 | Zorkman | :) |
| 12:52.46 | Zorkman | bumbl: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-August/000415.html |
| 12:52.54 | Dave | Well, time to submit some bugreports. |
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| 12:53.03 | Dave | They're amassing quickly. |
| 12:53.25 | Dave | oh, and time to put together these two Quadcore boxes I got the parts for yesterday! :D |
| 12:53.39 | bumbl | Dave: nice |
| 12:53.43 | Dave | I hope that will be suitable enough for a decent OM build environment :P |
| 12:53.45 | Zorkman | aha, to compile battle of wesnoth dave? :p |
| 12:53.48 | bumbl | they call for gentoo |
| 12:53.51 | Dave | if it takes MORE, I have no idea what it will take |
| 12:53.59 | Dave | zorkman, haha |
| 12:54.02 | XorA | uses a single quad core to build |
| 12:54.05 | Dave | Sure, if it can handle it |
| 12:54.11 | |Marco| | hey Zorkman, did you get a /kick out of my vid's ? |
| 12:54.12 | |Marco| | :D |
| 12:54.15 | bumbl | i'm using a dualcore to build |
| 12:54.16 | Rupert_ | Zorkman: Thanks for that there's nothing special about in terms of dfu-util or anything? |
| 12:54.30 | Zorkman | of course |Marco|, besides, any publicitiy for the FR is good |
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| 12:54.42 | Dave | I typically build REAL software in our lab, but fucking openembedded... ~_~ |
| 12:54.53 | Zorkman | Rupert_: absolutely nothing :(:(:( only hardware fix that is very difficult according to joerg |
| 12:54.53 | Dave | It's just scary promiscuous code. |
| 12:54.59 | Dave | It's not really sure WHAT it wants to be... |
| 12:55.05 | Zorkman | DAve: what do you build normally? |
| 12:55.11 | Dave | Joerg is a demigod. |
| 12:55.18 | Dave | :) |
| 12:55.34 | Zorkman | oe wants to be the perfect GSM/GPS/Wifi and gaming device to us, make it that way dave, kthx |
| 12:55.55 | Dave | throws hot waffles at zorkman's face |
| 12:55.56 | Dave | whee :) |
| 12:56.05 | Zorkman | mmmm hot waffles |
| 12:56.06 | Dave | âââ |
| 12:56.35 | Dave | âââ |
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| 13:00.37 | TommyB | hm, I just had a look at the official "unstable" package feed, and I see that the qtopia-phone-x11 packages there are rather old (i.e., they don't have the #1776 fix) |
| 13:00.42 | TommyB | does anyone know if that is intentional? |
| 13:02.32 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r8c0f76acb315 10/packages/tasks/ (3 files): [tasks/*asu*] merge in the asu tasks from ASU branch |
| 13:02.32 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r0c9de992b6a8 10/packages/alsa/alsa-scenario_git.bb: [alsa-scenario] fix the versions |
| 13:02.33 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r4418a8d624fc 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connmann] fix the versions |
| 13:02.34 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rbf5745170349 10/packages/images/ (openmoko-asu-image.bb openmoko-qtopia-x11-image.bb): [openmoko-*-image] use the new asu tasks |
| 13:02.37 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r7adb13080176 10/packages/openmoko-projects/diversity-daemon_svn.bb: [diversity-daemon] fix the depends |
| 13:02.40 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * ra6e13261d758 10/packages/openmoko-projects/enlazar_svn.bb: [enlazar] fix the versions |
| 13:02.43 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rff61a2fc896e 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (illume-config_svn.bb illume-theme-asu_svn.bb): [illume] merge in theme and config changes from ASU |
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| 13:02.46 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r9ea3713c7e56 10/packages/openmoko-projects/om-settings_svn.bb: [om-settings] fix versions |
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| 13:02.49 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rf14081c51f3d 10/packages/openmoko-tools/app-restarter_svn.bb: [app-restarter] fix versions |
| 13:03.09 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r2267a196391b 10/packages/openmoko-tools/openmoko-set-root-password.bb: [openmoko-set-root-password] fix versions |
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| 13:07.29 | TommyB | hm... ok, looks like asu integration into org.openmoko.dev is a work in progress ;) |
| 13:08.30 | Dave | coughs |
| 13:08.39 | Zorkman | tuberculosis? |
| 13:08.56 | ShellEvil | bets on avian flu. |
| 13:08.57 | Dave | o_o |
| 13:09.05 | Dave | H1N1? |
| 13:09.11 | Dave | H5N1? |
| 13:09.12 | Dave | :o |
| 13:09.12 | ShellEvil | H5, sorry |
| 13:09.17 | Dave | :( |
| 13:09.19 | Dave | dies |
| 13:09.32 | Zorkman | don't worry lazy lulu knows voodoo remember |
| 13:09.54 | Dave | o_o |
| 13:09.59 | Dave | Who IS this Lazy Lulu!? |
| 13:10.05 | Dave | I think you made them up, Zorkman. |
| 13:10.13 | Dave | It's a conspiracy! |
| 13:10.18 | Zorkman | that's a negative |
| 13:11.01 | kushal | they already registered brokenmoko.com :) |
| 13:11.35 | Dave | WTF!? |
| 13:11.38 | Dave | Since yesterday!? |
| 13:12.06 | Zorkman | didn't you said yesterday you were going to register it? |
| 13:12.10 | Zorkman | somebody stole your idea :) |
| 13:12.12 | Dave | NOOOOOooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo |
| 13:12.17 | Dave | Yes, I did :( |
| 13:12.22 | Zorkman | who is it registered to? |
| 13:12.27 | Dave | fuck |
| 13:12.33 | Dave | someone registered .org as well |
| 13:12.34 | Dave | bastards! |
| 13:12.42 | Wonka | *angst* |
| 13:12.42 | Dave | :) |
| 13:12.49 | Wonka | AT+CPIN="****" |
| 13:12.53 | Dave | blame the germans, or glamo |
| 13:12.54 | Wonka | cme error 100 |
| 13:13.13 | kushal | Dave, Zorkman it is the official team : |
| 13:13.14 | kushal | :p |
| 13:13.15 | ShellEvil | There is always the domain for those that just want to pretend to be interested about opensource. |
| 13:13.17 | Wonka | (it was the PIN, of course, not 4 *) |
| 13:13.19 | ShellEvil | tokenmoko.com |
| 13:13.28 | Wonka | borkenmoko |
| 13:13.52 | Dave | kushal? |
| 13:14.08 | Dave | is sad. |
| 13:14.19 | kushal | Dave, do a whois on brokenmoko.com :p |
| 13:14.24 | Wonka | how can I completely reset the gsm chipset? |
| 13:14.41 | ShellEvil | Wonka: remove the battery, wait 5 mins, replace the battery |
| 13:14.49 | Wonka | switching it's power off and on, and then asserting it's reset doesn't work |
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| 13:15.17 | Wonka | ShellEvil: i want a gsmd log from the very beginning - that one always scrolls out of logread :( |
| 13:15.22 | ShellEvil | There is no (speaking of GTA01) power switch - I think the same is true of GTA02 - it's directly connected to teh batttery |
| 13:15.45 | ShellEvil | Wonka: I assume you don't have a debug board:? |
| 13:16.09 | ShellEvil | Wonka: and 01 or 02? |
| 13:16.15 | Dave | :( |
| 13:16.17 | Wonka | ShellEvil: i do have a debug board. i don't have a matching torx screwdriver :( |
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| 13:16.22 | Wonka | ShellEvil: GTA02v5 |
| 13:16.26 | ShellEvil | passes Wonka ebay. |
| 13:16.31 | Dave | oh snaps |
| 13:16.53 | Dave | openmoko ninja'ed it?! |
| 13:16.55 | Zorkman | Sean Moss-Pultz |
| 13:17.06 | Dave | It IS a conspiracy! |
| 13:17.06 | Wonka | ShellEvil: one of those shortly before the 10pF cap was added |
| 13:17.09 | Dave | :o |
| 13:17.11 | Zorkman | he's in our IRCS, stealing our lines |
| 13:17.22 | Dave | and my domains, apparently :\ |
| 13:17.23 | Dave | man |
| 13:17.26 | Dave | not cool |
| 13:17.28 | TommyB | Wonka, what I use to do to get complete logs is to ssh into my FR during boot, fire up screen and do "( logread; logread -f; ) > logfile" |
| 13:17.48 | Zorkman | created: 2007-07-03 13:47:45 UTC |
| 13:17.58 | Dave | o_O |
| 13:18.01 | Zorkman | long time ago it seems :) |
| 13:18.02 | Dave | eh? |
| 13:18.12 | bumbl | Dave: wtf sean moss-pultz has registered brokenmoko? |
| 13:18.14 | Zorkman | http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=brokenmoko&tld=com |
| 13:18.16 | bumbl | he is crazy |
| 13:18.19 | Dave | apparently |
| 13:18.24 | qtonion | does somebody by any chance have experience with the qtopia sdk vmware image? i don't get the FR accepted as usb0 ethernet device |
| 13:18.27 | Wonka | bumbl: maybe he doesn't want any shit there |
| 13:18.31 | Dave | Is that THE Sean from OM? |
| 13:18.47 | Dave | Who I sent threatening emails to :D |
| 13:20.16 | Wonka | he is, afaik |
| 13:20.20 | Dave | boo hiss |
| 13:20.21 | bumbl | yes sean moss-pultz is the openmoko sean |
| 13:20.23 | Dave | What am I to do now? |
| 13:20.27 | Dave | :| |
| 13:20.29 | bumbl | sue him |
| 13:20.35 | bumbl | and then sue him |
| 13:20.43 | bumbl | and then sue him again |
| 13:20.49 | bumbl | for steeling your idea |
| 13:20.56 | bumbl | stealing |
| 13:21.12 | Dave | but he's not american? |
| 13:21.56 | bumbl | he is afaik |
| 13:22.36 | Dave | well if he lives in the US I can sue him over nothing :) |
| 13:22.42 | Dave | It is the American way, after all, right :P |
| 13:22.48 | jamewill | Dave, check the date on whois |
| 13:22.55 | jamewill | Dave, march last year |
| 13:23.07 | bumbl | ohh |
| 13:23.08 | Dave | Taipei? |
| 13:23.13 | Dave | is that where the company is located? |
| 13:23.15 | Dave | In teh .cn |
| 13:23.19 | bumbl | yes |
| 13:23.23 | Dave | pfft |
| 13:23.26 | Dave | weak |
| 13:23.28 | bumbl | openmoko is located in taipei |
| 13:23.41 | Dave | What's hilarious though is these registrar suggestions for registering alternate domains |
| 13:23.52 | Dave | One of them it comes up with is OpenMokoDental.com ... |
| 13:23.56 | Dave | That just SCARES me... |
| 13:24.16 | dbmoodb | mmm the openmoko makes a good pda tho |
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| 13:24.33 | dbmoodb | who wants a linux phone ;) |
| 13:24.34 | Dave | yeah but if it ever tried its hand at dentistry, I'm sure it'd be a butcher! |
| 13:24.48 | Dave | openmoko.tv? :o |
| 13:25.06 | dbmoodb | any one got glamo working nice enough to play a flash video on the freerunner ? |
| 13:25.08 | Dave | I should just pick up openmoko.us to be a dick |
| 13:25.25 | dbmoodb | Dave: neopwn.com |
| 13:25.31 | Dave | dbmoodb, I'm watching a video stream via mplayer, presently |
| 13:25.39 | dbmoodb | Dave: really ? ... how |
| 13:26.13 | Dave | by using mplayer? |
| 13:26.17 | Dave | Hello Rod |
| 13:26.43 | dbmoodb | Dave: but its slow as hell |
| 13:27.19 | dbmoodb | Dave: what distro are you on ? |
| 13:27.33 | Dave | actually it's not doing too bad right now |
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| 13:27.42 | Dave | but usually it can be terrible yeah |
| 13:27.45 | Dave | I'm using -framedrop though |
| 13:27.55 | dbmoodb | oh ? what distro.. dude |
| 13:28.10 | Dave | dmoodb, I'm keepin it real yo, 2007.2 \o/ |
| 13:28.12 | Zorkman | an you give us the mplayer command you're testing? and are you using acceleration? |
| 13:28.35 | Dave | I mean, sure it's not good, but it's something... |
| 13:28.42 | Dave | the audio plays fine, I can't complain too much :P |
| 13:28.49 | Dave | and it takes my mind off of stabbing Sean in the face :) |
| 13:29.13 | Dave | or sicking Reiser on him |
| 13:29.20 | dbmoodb | Dave: well .... i don't get any echo on my moko / they don't so it doesn't bother me. |
| 13:29.33 | Dave | Yeah, it's alright. |
| 13:29.35 | dbmoodb | on debian the echo was like WOOWOWWOWOWO. (don't know why) |
| 13:29.42 | dbmoodb | some audio setting. |
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| 13:31.29 | Dave | oh sweet |
| 13:32.45 | Zorkman | Dave: do you use acceleration? |
| 13:33.01 | Dave | hardware acceleration? |
| 13:33.22 | Dave | i.e. using the glamo? |
| 13:34.11 | Dave | I don't. |
| 13:34.16 | Dave | I that's what you're wondering. |
| 13:34.24 | Dave | so if I did, it'd probably be smooth. |
| 13:34.43 | Dave | Alas, a formal driver has yet to be presented. |
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| 13:38.37 | Dave | goes on the hunt for a new domain name |
| 13:39.38 | bumbl | trashedmoko; moko-hates.me |
| 13:40.19 | spdr_ | rumors say TAsn will suck for a moko ! |
| 13:40.20 | Dave | fuckomoko? :D |
| 13:40.24 | Dave | hahahahaha |
| 13:40.26 | Dave | oh snaps :p |
| 13:40.41 | TAsn | spdr_, bitch! |
| 13:40.44 | Dave | haha |
| 13:40.46 | TAsn | though i guess that's true. |
| 13:40.47 | Dave | fight fight fight fight! |
| 13:40.49 | Dave | :O |
| 13:40.52 | spdr_ | :D |
| 13:40.57 | TAsn | j/k |
| 13:41.01 | Dave | oh man |
| 13:41.04 | TAsn | mine has already left ontario |
| 13:41.05 | TAsn | I rule! |
| 13:41.06 | Dave | fuckmoko.com is available! |
| 13:41.06 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 13:41.08 | Dave | tasn :P |
| 13:41.12 | Dave | lollerontario |
| 13:41.19 | Dave | crazy canucks |
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| 13:45.50 | bumbl | how can I tell opkg to omit the dependencies (just install the wanted package) |
| 13:46.07 | Dave | --force-dependencies |
| 13:46.22 | bumbl | ahh |
| 13:46.22 | Dave | it will subsequently install regardless of whether any or all dependencies are met. :) |
| 13:46.31 | bumbl | i tried -force-depends |
| 13:46.34 | Dave | oh |
| 13:46.36 | Dave | isn't that it? |
| 13:46.51 | Dave | --force-depends |
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| 13:47.04 | Dave | does that not work? |
| 13:47.15 | spdr_ | --nodep ? |
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| 13:47.33 | bumbl | one moment please |
| 13:47.44 | TAsn | bricode, thanks again, i ordered mine form koolu |
| 13:47.44 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 13:47.51 | TAsn | just a few days ago |
| 13:47.58 | TAsn | same goes to a friend of mine |
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| 13:48.15 | bricode | TAsn: No worries. Hopefully it will arrive shortly. |
| 13:48.22 | spdr_ | somebody in customs in gonna be happy. |
| 13:48.27 | Daenyth | Dave: what? |
| 13:48.28 | spdr_ | ;0 |
| 13:48.31 | Dave | DAENYTH |
| 13:48.39 | TAsn | spdr_, cause of fates phone |
| 13:48.40 | TAsn | not mine ;0 |
| 13:48.41 | Dave | Hello! :) |
| 13:48.43 | spdr_ | yeah heh |
| 13:48.46 | Daenyth | hi |
| 13:48.48 | Daenyth | what? |
| 13:48.49 | Dave | Daenyth I saw you on the map last night |
| 13:48.52 | spdr_ | i hope it goes through |
| 13:48.53 | TAsn | bricode, yeah, im tracking it like hell. |
| 13:48.54 | bumbl | no dave it seems its not --force-depends |
| 13:48.54 | Dave | I was like, oh hi :D |
| 13:49.00 | TAsn | sparrow, no chance in the world. |
| 13:49.06 | Dave | bumble, well it's worked for me in the past :| |
| 13:49.06 | bumbl | trying --nodep now |
| 13:49.08 | TAsn | spdr_, * |
| 13:49.15 | bricode | TAsn: Patience young grasshopper :) |
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| 13:49.35 | TAsn | i like my way better |
| 13:49.41 | Dave | bumble, try --force-depends --nodeps |
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| 13:50.01 | TAsn | Dave, or maybe just try the man? |
| 13:50.12 | Daenyth | Dave: oh cool |
| 13:50.16 | Daenyth | Dave: where are you? |
| 13:50.30 | spdr_ | no manpages on moko |
| 13:50.35 | spdr_ | is there? |
| 13:50.44 | TAsn | i don't think so. |
| 13:50.45 | Daenyth | spdr_: not by default... dunno about packages |
| 13:50.58 | Dave | Daenyth, NY/NJ |
| 13:50.58 | TAsn | that's a waste of room anyway. |
| 13:51.00 | Daenyth | spdr_: googling for "man program" usually gets you there |
| 13:51.03 | Daenyth | Dave: psh |
| 13:51.06 | Dave | Are you in teh Boston? |
| 13:51.08 | Dave | yeah yeah |
| 13:51.22 | spdr_ | Daenyth, yeah, i know how to use google ;0 |
| 13:51.35 | Daenyth | Dave: duh |
| 13:51.37 | Dave | throws red socks at daenyth |
| 13:51.40 | Daenyth | :D |
| 13:51.43 | Dave | heh |
| 13:51.43 | Daenyth | mm |
| 13:51.49 | Daenyth | so yesterday |
| 13:51.53 | TAsn | anyone knows ~ shipping time to nj for ontario through xpreddes or something like that? |
| 13:51.55 | Dave | Yeah, what happened? |
| 13:51.55 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 13:51.56 | Dave | Tell us! |
| 13:51.59 | Daenyth | I went over to a panera, but I couldn't get online |
| 13:52.13 | Dave | yeah? |
| 13:52.16 | Dave | oh noes! |
| 13:52.23 | Dave | wireless? |
| 13:52.24 | Daenyth | I iwlist eth0 scanned for the essid (open network), ifconfig eth0 up, iwconfig eth0 essid PANERA, udhcpc eth0 |
| 13:52.33 | Daenyth | and then it wouldn't connect |
| 13:52.33 | Daenyth | just kept sending discover packets |
| 13:52.45 | Daenyth | any idea |
| 13:52.46 | Daenyth | ? |
| 13:52.50 | Dave | maybe you had to supply more info |
| 13:52.56 | Dave | are you sure they had open radio? |
| 13:53.01 | Daenyth | positive |
| 13:53.07 | Dave | well if iwlist scan showed the essid they must have been broadcasting |
| 13:53.09 | Dave | hmm |
| 13:53.13 | Dave | weird |
| 13:53.20 | Daenyth | apart from the fact that it's advertised as free wifi, iwlist said encryption key: off |
| 13:53.20 | Dave | What did you install yesterday, Daenyth? |
| 13:53.28 | Daenyth | not much uh |
| 13:53.28 | Dave | right |
| 13:53.35 | Dave | 2007.2, 2008.8 ? |
| 13:53.35 | Daenyth | vim, gps stuff, bah |
| 13:53.36 | Daenyth | bash |
| 13:53.40 | Daenyth | 2007.2 |
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| 13:53.47 | Daenyth | daily from 8-24 |
| 13:53.52 | Daenyth | sunday |
| 13:54.02 | TAsn | bricode, btw, does it come with a 512 microsd? |
| 13:54.11 | Daenyth | I can connect to my wifi at home |
| 13:54.14 | bumbl | spdr_: thank you, --nodep worked |
| 13:54.23 | bricode | TAsn: Yep. |
| 13:54.27 | Daenyth | for some reason it seems to work better though when I iwconfig from my ssh session |
| 13:54.32 | Daenyth | than when I use termianl |
| 13:54.34 | spdr_ | bumbl, np |
| 13:54.34 | Daenyth | terminal |
| 13:54.38 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re9d9a1994c19 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py): odeviced: use kobject uevent netlink socket to implement polling-free power status notifications |
| 13:54.39 | Dave | daenyth :) |
| 13:54.48 | bricode | TAsn: Handy for multi-boot. I've got qtopia on flash and 2007.2 on SD. |
| 13:54.52 | TAsn | bricode, thought so. though openmoko.com doesn't say so anymore. |
| 13:55.00 | Dave | oh daenyth, sometimes changing ap's presents a problem |
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| 13:55.13 | Daenyth | Dave: I did an iwconfig eth0 down before I left my house |
| 13:55.16 | Daenyth | if^ |
| 13:55.17 | TAsn | bricode, what about 2008? |
| 13:55.23 | TAsn | you don't like that one? |
| 13:55.50 | Dave | yeah usually that may not be enough |
| 13:55.55 | Dave | though you would typically expect it to |
| 13:55.57 | Daenyth | what else |
| 13:55.57 | TAsn | bricode, i will buy a bigger card eventually but for now this sounds like a good thing to play with. |
| 13:55.58 | bricode | TAsn: Haven't really ventured there yet. I tried ASU in the early stages. I'm more apt (no pun intended) to visit Debian. |
| 13:56.11 | Daenyth | Dave: I can test it again today. What else should I do? |
| 13:56.12 | Dave | though honestly, after upgrading kernel recently, I've been able to switch ap's (networks) successfully! |
| 13:56.22 | Daenyth | Dave: what kernel? |
| 13:56.25 | bricode | TAsn: Make sure you check out the supported SD cards page in the wiki. I've got a transcend card that is "slow". |
| 13:56.26 | Dave | daenyth, oh yeah, did you make sure to bring usb0 down! |
| 13:56.31 | Dave | they can't both be up at the same time |
| 13:56.32 | Daenyth | Dave: mmm... maybe |
| 13:56.35 | Dave | or the routes overlap! |
| 13:56.35 | Daenyth | I can't recall |
| 13:56.43 | Daenyth | Dave: yes, I was asking about that yesterday |
| 13:56.44 | Dave | so it doesn't know where to get shit from |
| 13:56.47 | TAsn | bricode, do you have a link? |
| 13:56.56 | Daenyth | Dave: pretty sure I did bring it down... |
| 13:56.58 | Dave | ifconfig eth0 up && if config usb0 down |
| 13:56.59 | Daenyth | but not totally sure |
| 13:57.04 | Dave | ifconfig rather |
| 13:57.05 | Dave | :) |
| 13:57.07 | Daenyth | mm |
| 13:57.12 | Daenyth | needs moar scripts |
| 13:57.21 | Daenyth | I wonder if I could port arch's netcfg to OM |
| 13:57.28 | Dave | hah |
| 13:57.30 | Daenyth | it's just bash I think, shouldn't be too hard.. |
| 13:57.31 | Dave | arcwhore :D |
| 13:57.36 | dbmoodb | bricode: what do you mean slow card tho ? |
| 13:57.37 | TAsn | bricode, i actually wanna try debian and qtopia and 2008 and 2007 and shr and everything :) |
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| 13:57.41 | Daenyth | arch is the best linux distro :) |
| 13:57.45 | Dave | \o/ |
| 13:57.48 | bricode | TAsn: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards |
| 13:57.50 | Dave | after debian? :D |
| 13:57.53 | Dave | giggles |
| 13:57.57 | Daenyth | if I knew more about the gritty internals I'd try to start porting the whole os |
| 13:57.59 | TAsn | Dave, before |
| 13:58.03 | Daenyth | definitely better than debian |
| 13:58.04 | TAsn | is using arch |
| 13:58.07 | Daenyth | 100% |
| 13:58.09 | bricode | dbmoodb: Requires you to change the SD clock in U-boot as a parameter for it to function properly. |
| 13:58.16 | Dave | tasn, on your frreerunner? good luck! |
| 13:58.16 | dbmoodb | ah we can do that ? |
| 13:58.19 | Dave | debian first. |
| 13:58.24 | TAsn | Dave, home computer ;0 |
| 13:58.27 | Daenyth | pacman is better, it's faster, community is better, no stupid patched software (openssl etc), always up to date |
| 13:58.28 | Dave | oh heh ;;p |
| 13:58.31 | Dave | less impressive a feat |
| 13:58.33 | Dave | but good for you :) |
| 13:58.36 | dbmoodb | bricode: well ... i have a slow scandisk 8 gb card ... will that fix my suspending ? |
| 13:58.36 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07specs * r8b19896e8280 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ousage: update ousage documentation |
| 13:58.38 | Dave | glad to see you guys enjoying yourself |
| 13:58.40 | bumbl | Daenyth: can't be - you know there is a distro which is actually better, it's called gentoo |
| 13:58.42 | bricode | Debian will make a good development environment for certain people. |
| 13:58.56 | Daenyth | bumbl: what is good about gentoo that arch doesn't do? |
| 13:58.56 | dbmoodb | bricode: debian is great |
| 13:59.01 | lindi- | Daenyth: does arch make it easy to run only DFSG-free software? |
| 13:59.03 | bricode | dbmoodb: I think that's a different issue. |
| 13:59.09 | bumbl | Daenyth: gentoo runs on the freerunner |
| 13:59.12 | dbmoodb | bricode: :) ? |
| 13:59.17 | spdr_ | Daenyth, a bit ugly but works: http://pastebin.ca/1186344 |
| 13:59.20 | Dave | "runs" |
| 13:59.21 | Daenyth | lindi-: I suppose, though most people don't care |
| 13:59.29 | spdr_ | for me atleast |
| 13:59.35 | dbmoodb | well i am running lenny and don't care about it. |
| 13:59.41 | bumbl | arch has too much packages for the few developers and no, the user repository is not the solution |
| 13:59.42 | Dave | :D |
| 13:59.43 | Daenyth | bumbl: mmm, can't wait to compile my OS on a 400mhz cpu |
| 13:59.46 | Dave | high-fives dbmoodb |
| 13:59.46 | bricode | dbmoodb: I think it has something to do with the timing of putting things to sleep and waking them back up, but I'm not sure. |
| 13:59.52 | TAsn | bricode, what does the speed part mean? |
| 13:59.54 | Dave | daenyth, haha |
| 13:59.55 | Dave | epic |
| 13:59.58 | TAsn | i.e is blank better than x80? |
| 14:00.05 | bumbl | Daenyth: ever heard of cross compiling |
| 14:00.11 | Dave | :P |
| 14:00.12 | dbmoodb | bricode: i think if i can get it to be in the flash part of the neo (kernel and basic stuff...) then it would solve that problem |
| 14:00.13 | Dave | huhu |
| 14:00.13 | Daenyth | hurf |
| 14:00.30 | Daenyth | shoves a metal pole up spdr_'s ass for not having use strict; |
| 14:00.40 | TAsn | i wanna buy an 8 gb sandisk microsd |
| 14:00.43 | TAsn | which is best? |
| 14:00.46 | Tanuva | thinks about using lenny instead of sid for desktop use... |
| 14:00.52 | rwhitby-tokyo | morning |
| 14:00.57 | Dave | Goedmorgen! |
| 14:01.04 | bricode | TAsn: On the SD card page? How fast the max transfer to the card is. Given that the Freerunner is an embedded system, the bus speeds tap out at about ~2 MB/sec |
| 14:01.05 | Tanuva | moin rwhitby-tokyo :) |
| 14:01.09 | dbmoodb | TAsn: your using sid for a desktop rofl. rwhitby-tokyo your in tokyo? nice |
| 14:01.17 | lindi- | Daenyth: do you? ;) |
| 14:01.27 | rwhitby-tokyo | dbmoodb: yep, business. |
| 14:01.29 | Daenyth | duh |
| 14:01.30 | Dave | ä»æ¥ã¯ |
| 14:01.31 | TAsn | dbmoodb, im not using debian~! |
| 14:01.34 | spdr_ | Daenyth, fuck strict, its too...too strict ;p |
| 14:01.43 | Daenyth | spdr_: you will never become good at perl |
| 14:01.46 | Tanuva | dbmoodb: yep, sidux. runs quite fine, just from time to time it has its issues :D |
| 14:01.47 | spdr_ | and its a 2 min script anyways |
| 14:01.48 | TAsn | bricode, i know, but no real info is there. |
| 14:01.49 | Dave | yay perl! |
| 14:01.49 | Daenyth | :P |
| 14:01.55 | Dave | high-fives daenyth |
| 14:01.57 | TAsn | Daenyth, he knows he sucks at perl |
| 14:02.06 | Dave | tasn knows he sucks at programming. |
| 14:02.10 | spdr_ | as long as i dont suck for a moko |
| 14:02.13 | spdr_ | ;0 |
| 14:02.15 | Dave | haha |
| 14:02.15 | dbmoodb | TAsn: i use luks .. so i can't have too many things break |
| 14:02.16 | Daenyth | lol |
| 14:02.17 | TAsn | sparrow, stfu. |
| 14:02.17 | Dave | like tasn? :P |
| 14:02.21 | Dave | hahaha |
| 14:02.24 | TAsn | i didn't do that. |
| 14:02.25 | Dave | man, you two... |
| 14:02.31 | TAsn | spdr_, * |
| 14:02.33 | Dave | what is it with you two. |
| 14:02.41 | Daenyth | spdr_: : does not need to be escaped in a regex... |
| 14:02.54 | Daenyth | nor " |
| 14:03.04 | bumbl | *rebooting the moko and hoping for the best* |
| 14:03.21 | spdr_ | did i escape them? wonder why |
| 14:04.14 | TAsn | spdr_, because you don't even know what $#foobar does... |
| 14:04.15 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 14:04.33 | spdr_ | atleast i know foreach exists. |
| 14:04.36 | spdr_ | ;0 |
| 14:04.57 | TAsn | i also know that. |
| 14:05.00 | spdr_ | not using $crap[$i] every list i use |
| 14:05.07 | TAsn | but i needed the counter! |
| 14:05.08 | spdr_ | yeah yeah :p |
| 14:05.10 | Tanuva | installs lennyb1 on his slackware partition... |
| 14:06.16 | Daenyth | spdr_: you apparantly don't know about hashes though |
| 14:06.30 | Daenyth | try not to keep related data in multiple arrays.. |
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| 14:06.58 | Daenyth | mmf |
| 14:06.59 | Daenyth | ok |
| 14:07.15 | Daenyth | let me rewrite this thing properly |
| 14:07.19 | spdr_ | as i said, it was a 2 min script, i think i edited it on my moko since the moment i wrote it |
| 14:07.21 | Daenyth | I was just using iwlist eth0 scan | grep :off before :p |
| 14:07.24 | Daenyth | but now |
| 14:07.34 | Daenyth | I shall make it full of sweetness and light |
| 14:07.45 | Daenyth | np: Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains - Buckethead - [The Big Eyeball in the Sky #1] |
| 14:07.48 | Daenyth | :D |
| 14:07.55 | Daenyth | such a creepy creepy song :D |
| 14:08.05 | spdr_ | heh, well show the results after your done :) |
| 14:08.13 | Dave | :o |
| 14:08.15 | TAsn | Daenyth, believe me |
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| 14:08.20 | dbmoodb | spdr_: off ? |
| 14:08.27 | TAsn | you don't want to see some of the other hacks he used. |
| 14:08.30 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 14:08.32 | Daenyth | TAsn: heh |
| 14:08.37 | Daenyth | lemme rewrite this thing properly |
| 14:08.38 | Daenyth | gimme a bit |
| 14:08.38 | spdr_ | TAsn, dont make me start pasting |
| 14:08.43 | spdr_ | ;0 |
| 14:08.46 | TAsn | spdr_, :) |
| 14:08.47 | Dave | what are you writing? :O |
| 14:08.59 | Dave | #!/usr/bin/perl Daenyth |
| 14:09.06 | spdr_ | all those "# Ugly hack" parts :) |
| 14:09.09 | TAsn | Dave, a novel about a moko an it's wife. |
| 14:09.14 | Dave | o_o |
| 14:09.16 | TAsn | spdr_, sh.. |
| 14:09.17 | Dave | what the fuck? :D |
| 14:09.20 | dbmoodb | lindi-: btw have you got / seen any one recording audio on debian (so for like voip / in general) ? |
| 14:09.25 | TAsn | at least i say when i hack. |
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| 14:10.00 | TAsn | "#written by spdr" is the same as "#ugly hack" |
| 14:10.00 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 14:10.11 | Dave | \0xBADCODE |
| 14:10.31 | Daenyth | Dave: thanks, was actually just looking for the spot with that |
| 14:10.34 | Daenyth | spot for that^ |
| 14:10.36 | spdr_ | TAsn, i never write that |
| 14:10.37 | dbmoodb | mmm can one read qr codes on linux easily with a web cam ? |
| 14:11.15 | TAsn | does anyone know if |
| 14:11.25 | TAsn | SDSDQR-8192-E12M |
| 14:11.26 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07artwork * r8abd707f8cf9 10/sounds/ (notify_charging.wav notify_discharging.wav): add charging and discharging tones |
| 14:11.28 | TAsn | is safe to buf |
| 14:11.32 | TAsn | buy* |
| 14:11.38 | TAsn | according to the wiki page? |
| 14:11.44 | TAsn | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards |
| 14:12.22 | dbmoodb | TAsn: safe ? --- just test it at the place. --- mine is "safe" but i can't resume after suspending on debian (probably is a different issue tho). |
| 14:12.39 | TAsn | i can't open it. |
| 14:12.53 | TAsn | and i can't verify if it boots from uboot |
| 14:12.54 | dbmoodb | rofl..... |
| 14:13.06 | TAsn | *i can boot from it |
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| 14:13.19 | dbmoodb | TAsn: hw cxan i check the one i haver in ? |
| 14:13.29 | Daenyth | hrmf |
| 14:13.32 | Daenyth | 5.8.8 :/ |
| 14:13.35 | TAsn | dbmoodb, what? |
| 14:13.42 | Daenyth | is there a way to get perl 5.10 on here? |
| 14:14.04 | dbmoodb | sdcard ? |
| 14:14.10 | Dave | :D |
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| 14:14.33 | TAsn | take it out |
| 14:14.35 | Dave | daenyth, so compile 5.10 for arm :D |
| 14:14.43 | Dave | whee, p6 :D |
| 14:14.46 | TAsn | and stare at it till it tells you all the information you want. |
| 14:14.47 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.08 | dbmoodb | TAsn: dodgy method to do that -- "turn off" |
| 14:15.29 | TAsn | dbmoodb, what are you talking about? |
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| 14:15.39 | TAsn | i still can't open the plastic box in the store |
| 14:15.48 | TAsn | so i can't get the card |
| 14:15.59 | TAsn | to test it in the first place |
| 14:16.12 | Dave | I kind of wish the freerunner could stand up on it's own... now I'll have to build a stand. |
| 14:16.16 | dbmoodb | it says it on the pack |
| 14:16.21 | Dave | not that I don't mind, since it'll be better anyway, but still kind of annoying. |
| 14:16.32 | TAsn | well im off. |
| 14:16.40 | Dave | Daenyth, let's write perl, and take over the openmoko community! |
| 14:16.52 | TAsn | dbmoodb, but i don't know from the pack if it even works |
| 14:16.52 | ronny | lol?! |
| 14:17.00 | Dave | hides from ronny |
| 14:17.02 | TAsn | since it may not be on the wiki |
| 14:17.07 | TAsn | and the wiki isn't complete |
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| 14:19.27 | Zorkman | what??? |
| 14:19.29 | Zorkman | the wiki is not complkete? |
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| 14:20.17 | Torikun | how do you get usb0 to be deteeected on debian |
| 14:21.07 | Daenyth | Dave: working on it, gimme a bit : |
| 14:21.28 | Daenyth | http://rafb.net/p/8CM87W58.html |
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| 14:21.36 | Torikun | Dave ! |
| 14:21.41 | GNUtoo | hello, i heard that there was a patch for the landscape mode...was it integrated in the last release? |
| 14:21.46 | Dave | Torikuns! |
| 14:21.50 | Dave | Daenyth =] |
| 14:22.06 | Daenyth | iwlist item "Quality" is the signal strength in %? |
| 14:22.25 | Dave | more like bullshit at the moment |
| 14:22.29 | Dave | driver is kind of fucked up |
| 14:22.32 | Daenyth | I'll skip it then |
| 14:22.33 | Daenyth | k |
| 14:22.36 | Dave | like 268/94? |
| 14:22.40 | Dave | wtf :P |
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| 14:24.38 | GNUtoo | because i'd love to use landscape mode(i will get my openmoko at my return of holliday...) |
| 14:24.39 | Daenyth | ugh |
| 14:24.46 | Daenyth | spdr_: `` in void context, you NAUGHTY boy |
| 14:24.50 | Daenyth | system() |
| 14:24.52 | Daenyth | ffs |
| 14:24.56 | Dave | *spank* *spank* *spank* |
| 14:24.59 | spdr_ | haha |
| 14:25.07 | Dave | That's how the Android boys do ;) |
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| 14:26.29 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03zecke * r980968fa7e73 10/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [SMS] Add test case for the PDU parsing |
| 14:31.24 | Dave | add tests for wifi |
| 14:31.31 | Dave | because it's broken |
| 14:32.43 | Daenyth | http://rafb.net/p/AkDwqH46.html |
| 14:32.48 | Daenyth | just gotta write up the pretty printing now |
| 14:32.52 | Daenyth | any errors spotted? |
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| 14:35.00 | |Marco| | *cough* |
| 14:35.05 | Dave | You appear to be writing a wifi script? Would you like help? |
| 14:35.15 | Dave | >:) |
| 14:35.31 | |Marco| | looks sheepish at Dave... it looks like I DID lack a bunch of python packs |
| 14:35.35 | Daenyth | oh woops |
| 14:35.40 | Dave | Marco >:) |
| 14:35.43 | Dave | seems like :p |
| 14:35.46 | Dave | heehee |
| 14:35.51 | Daenyth | I just noticed I have %networks all over instead of $networks |
| 14:35.54 | Dave | I experienced something similar when I first started :) |
| 14:35.54 | Daenyth | haha, silly perl 6... |
| 14:35.56 | Dave | Daenyth, yeah |
| 14:36.06 | Dave | I was like, wtf is this noob doing :) |
| 14:36.12 | Daenyth | hehe yeah |
| 14:36.14 | Dave | hashrefs ftw |
| 14:36.33 | |Marco| | oi, the settings thing in asu 2008.8 shows wifi signal strength in realistic % |
| 14:36.37 | Dave | In other news, my python socket code explodes |
| 14:36.51 | |Marco| | *BLAM* |
| 14:36.52 | Daenyth | Dave: did you add use IO::Socket;? :> |
| 14:36.53 | Dave | Marco, good for 2008.8 |
| 14:37.01 | Dave | Daenyth, if only :P |
| 14:37.03 | Dave | fucking python |
| 14:37.06 | Dave | :D |
| 14:37.18 | |Marco| | just thought Daenyth might like to look at it |
| 14:37.18 | Dave | I used their socket lib, which is fine, but I managed to fuck it up, I guess :) |
| 14:37.25 | Dave | Marco, oh, would he now. |
| 14:37.44 | spdr_ | any chance getting raw sockets to work? :0 |
| 14:37.48 | Daenyth | # |
| 14:37.48 | Daenyth | $essid =~ s/\n//; # Not really |
| 14:37.48 | Daenyth | # |
| 14:37.49 | Daenyth | $essid =~ s/\r//; # sure about This ... |
| 14:37.50 | Daenyth | err |
| 14:37.50 | Dave | sure |
| 14:37.52 | Daenyth | sorry for the flood |
| 14:37.55 | Dave | uggh |
| 14:37.58 | Daenyth | spdr_: perldoc -f chomp PLEASE |
| 14:37.59 | Dave | pesky parsing |
| 14:38.01 | spdr_ | lol Daenyth |
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| 14:38.46 | spdr_ | i wrote the whole thing without testing, i know its an ugly script :) |
| 14:39.18 | spdr_ | i figured, as long as it works ... :X |
| 14:39.38 | Dave | heh |
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| 14:39.56 | Dave | Welcome, Jon |
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| 14:40.42 | Dave | GCWILSON |
| 14:42.35 | gcwilson | Dave |
| 14:42.50 | Dave | It's you! |
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| 14:44.09 | lindi- | Torikun: usb0 should depend only on kernel, nothing distro specific, right? |
| 14:44.19 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3e07f8280afb 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 14:44.19 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: add triggers and rules for power management |
| 14:44.19 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: (NOTE: after MS3 we need to separate the device specific stuff from the generic stuff here!) |
| 14:44.49 | Torikun | lol |
| 14:45.14 | TAsn | hey everyone |
| 14:45.21 | Dave | howdy ya'll |
| 14:45.23 | TAsn | spdr_, still laughing at you coding skills? |
| 14:45.24 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 14:45.40 | spdr_ | thats it, im uploading all your code TAsn. |
| 14:45.46 | TAsn | :( |
| 14:45.51 | TAsn | sorry |
| 14:45.54 | TAsn | i admit |
| 14:45.59 | spdr_ | possibly dedicating an xkcd site to it |
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| 14:46.09 | TAsn | spdr_ is a better person than me |
| 14:46.13 | spdr_ | lol |
| 14:46.15 | TAsn | he got his moko first. |
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| 14:49.28 | spdr_ | comparing the time it took him to rewrite, i'd better stick with my fast writing rather than learn perl while writing or whatever is going on at his side |
| 14:50.30 | spdr_ | and TAsn, let me remind you some of your code: |
| 14:50.36 | spdr_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.46 | TAsn | so? |
| 14:50.51 | TAsn | that's not chomp related |
| 14:50.54 | TAsn | it's in line. |
| 14:51.17 | spdr_ | how about using regex in a while expression |
| 14:51.20 | spdr_ | that does nothing |
| 14:51.23 | spdr_ | but the regex ? |
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| 14:51.56 | spdr_ | can u explain that to me ?... |
| 14:51.59 | TAsn | ChanServ, please kick him ;0 |
| 14:52.08 | TAsn | i guess i had a reason |
| 14:52.11 | spdr_ | while ($turl =~ s/@@/+AND+..../g) {} |
| 14:52.14 | TAsn | run s out, crying |
| 14:52.18 | spdr_ | no, check out all your code ;0 |
| 14:52.26 | TAsn | wait! |
| 14:52.29 | TAsn | that's not my code |
| 14:52.33 | TAsn | it's yours improved |
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| 14:52.56 | spdr_ | adding while(...) {} is no improvement |
| 14:53.18 | spdr_ | my code, the one i have here, never includes such expressions |
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| 14:53.33 | Dave | laughs uncontrollably |
| 14:53.41 | TAsn | spdr_, you sound like BB |
| 14:53.49 | TAsn | what the party says is the truth |
| 14:53.57 | TAsn | type of stuff |
| 14:53.59 | spdr_ | i do like BB, thats why i vote likud |
| 14:54.04 | spdr_ | ;0 |
| 14:54.05 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 14:54.08 | sampattuzzi_ | hi, im having a problem using om 2008.8 in ubuntu hardy. when i click the buttons it presents me nothing happens |
| 14:54.09 | Dave | are you guys fighting about pcre now? |
| 14:54.15 | TAsn | pcre? |
| 14:54.22 | TAsn | Dave, we are not fighting. |
| 14:54.28 | spdr_ | i think it just slided to politics ;0 |
| 14:54.33 | TAsn | we are not even opponents |
| 14:54.35 | TAsn | he has a moko |
| 14:54.37 | TAsn | and i don't |
| 14:54.41 | TAsn | i have no chance. |
| 14:55.26 | TAsn | Dave, whenever i piss him off he can just remind me my moko is still in ontario ;0 |
| 14:55.31 | Zorkman | who's BB? |
| 14:55.40 | TAsn | Zorkman, the leader of |
| 14:55.42 | TAsn | ingsoc |
| 14:55.44 | TAsn | of course. |
| 14:55.44 | Zorkman | Barack bobama? |
| 14:55.48 | Dave | :P |
| 14:55.51 | Dave | BlackBerry? |
| 14:56.02 | TAsn | Dave, that one is also evil. |
| 14:56.12 | TAsn | Zorkman, Big brother... |
| 14:56.28 | Dave | Oh |
| 14:56.34 | Dave | lollerdanes |
| 14:56.48 | Zorkman | ah, sorry didn't read the previous chat right, i read that someone voted for BB :) |
| 14:56.57 | spdr_ | anyhows, bb will win. |
| 14:56.58 | Zorkman | my eyes and brain are playing tricks on le |
| 14:56.59 | spdr_ | :) |
| 14:57.00 | Zorkman | *me |
| 14:57.11 | TAsn | spdr_, he may |
| 14:57.14 | Zorkman | or maybe it's the EM field of the FR that is distorting reality locally |
| 14:57.53 | TAsn | Zorkman, the moko is strong with this one. |
| 14:57.54 | nyu | what's the command for locking? |
| 14:57.59 | nyu | I want to run it from the shell |
| 14:58.21 | Dave | hehe |
| 14:58.24 | Dave | moko moko moko |
| 14:58.44 | TAsn | moko mania |
| 14:58.49 | TAsn | we are all going crazy |
| 14:58.50 | spdr_ | TAsn, he will, if he wont, im off to australia or somewhere |
| 14:58.59 | TAsn | spdr_, canada for me. |
| 14:59.11 | spdr_ | canada is cold |
| 14:59.15 | nyu | anyone could check for me? you just need to lock & poke at ps output |
| 14:59.17 | spdr_ | in australia u get free cancer. |
| 14:59.20 | TAsn | spdr_, they have plenty of mokos. |
| 14:59.36 | TAsn | no distributor in australia... |
| 14:59.50 | spdr_ | i can live with that |
| 14:59.59 | TAsn | cya. |
| 15:00.00 | TAsn | ;) |
| 15:00.05 | Zorkman | but there are chicks in australia with a FR |
| 15:00.17 | Dave | scary, huh? |
| 15:00.23 | spdr_ | heh |
| 15:00.24 | nyu | I make it easier; just lock it, and paste the ps output so I can check :-) |
| 15:00.29 | nyu | anyone? |
| 15:00.38 | spdr_ | nyu, why dont you ? |
| 15:00.43 | Zorkman | sorry nyu, i'm from barcelona |
| 15:00.43 | Dave | cock lock and stop it |
| 15:00.49 | nyu | spdr_: it fails |
| 15:00.52 | Dave | Zorkman, you are? o_O |
| 15:00.52 | spdr_ | oh |
| 15:00.55 | nyu | Zorkman: me too |
| 15:00.58 | spdr_ | my moko is off :0 |
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| 15:01.05 | nyu | Zorkman: did you get yours from David? |
| 15:01.40 | Dave | I wonder if I can daemonize gpe-scap |
| 15:01.43 | Dave | :O |
| 15:01.45 | Dave | :o |
| 15:02.09 | nyu | c'mon it's easy |
| 15:02.30 | nyu | I can't debug the problem if I dont' know which is the buggy command |
| 15:02.31 | Zorkman | (nyu: i'm not really from barcelone, it's something from a brittish humoristic serie called Fawlty Towers, someone named Manuel always says in a thick spannish accent: "I know nothing, I'm from Barcelona") |
| 15:02.51 | nyu | eh |
| 15:03.30 | Dave | eh eh? |
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| 15:04.27 | |Marco| | oh joy.... pyton-pycairo is installed but it's NOT installed so python can't find it.. |
| 15:04.47 | Dave | :o |
| 15:04.47 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | yeah seems like everyone has problems with that one |
| 15:04.52 | Dave | hmm? |
| 15:05.12 | Dave | Aye Know nahsing. |
| 15:05.18 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | it's crazy Egyptian shit |
| 15:05.24 | Dave | eye ahm frahm jermahny |
| 15:05.35 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | :) |
| 15:05.42 | |Marco| | and you are drunk |
| 15:05.44 | Dave | crazy deutsch |
| 15:05.48 | Dave | doitch |
| 15:06.10 | Dave | Marco, and you're missing packages! |
| 15:06.32 | dbmoodb | dink ! drink |
| 15:06.43 | dbmoodb | TAsn: are you in australia ? |
| 15:06.52 | Dave | siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiifffffffffff |
| 15:06.56 | |Marco| | pangocairo ?? |
| 15:07.05 | Daenyth | http://rafb.net/p/UoB3Ye62.html |
| 15:07.06 | Daenyth | Dave: ping |
| 15:07.09 | Daenyth | done |
| 15:07.14 | Dave | bong |
| 15:07.14 | Daenyth | err wait |
| 15:07.18 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r4a1e0f8d96f5 10/src/zhone: adjust to the new ResourceChanged signal |
| 15:07.23 | Dave | surprise code! |
| 15:07.30 | Daenyth | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.38 | Daenyth | that should be the line, the one in that file was for testing |
| 15:07.42 | Daenyth | http://rafb.net/p/oZ1QlH60.html |
| 15:07.49 | Dave | neww? |
| 15:08.00 | Dave | why is there a semicolon after a closing brace? |
| 15:08.07 | Daenyth | where |
| 15:08.11 | Dave | it's not a class or package definition |
| 15:08.12 | Daenyth | line 20? |
| 15:08.18 | Dave | The thing you just pasted? |
| 15:08.26 | Daenyth | what line |
| 15:08.26 | Dave | nevermind -_- |
| 15:08.41 | Daenyth | if you mean line 20 it's because it's declaring a variable :P |
| 15:09.06 | Dave | I'm talking about the conditional line you just pasted in the fucking channel. |
| 15:09.13 | Dave | But I'm not going to obsess about it. |
| 15:09.18 | Daenyth | oh that |
| 15:09.32 | Daenyth | removed :p |
| 15:09.39 | Dave | -_- |
| 15:09.41 | Dave | uh huh |
| 15:09.46 | Daenyth | anyway |
| 15:09.48 | Dave | in other news, why don't you have daenyth.com? |
| 15:09.49 | Dave | :p |
| 15:09.51 | Daenyth | I tried to keep the output small |
| 15:10.01 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r13e4a528db1c 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py): ousaged: add more information to the ResourceChanged signal |
| 15:10.04 | Daenyth | [type] (AP) 'essid' |
| 15:10.09 | Daenyth | where type is a/b/g/n |
| 15:10.22 | Daenyth | so that it's easy to read on the phone screen |
| 15:10.31 | Dave | heh |
| 15:10.37 | Dave | yeah, that might be nice :) |
| 15:10.53 | Daenyth | it ignores all networks that are encrypted for the moment |
| 15:10.58 | Dave | bah |
| 15:11.05 | Daenyth | Dave: for printing |
| 15:11.08 | Daenyth | it still saves the data |
| 15:11.17 | Daenyth | you'll just have to modify the print |
| 15:11.38 | Daenyth | brb fewds |
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| 15:12.22 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | Dave: have you heard anything about flash-on-FR? |
| 15:12.32 | Daenyth | actually |
| 15:12.34 | Daenyth | AFK, going out |
| 15:12.39 | Daenyth | (I'll bring my fr :P) |
| 15:12.46 | Daenyth | oh wait, one thing |
| 15:12.51 | Wonka | Flash as in Shockwave? |
| 15:12.52 | nyu | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: gnash? |
| 15:12.55 | donaq | is there any way i can get my contacts from my sim card even if they have non-standard chars? |
| 15:13.00 | Daenyth | since I live in a city, it's almost impossible to hear people talking on the phone |
| 15:13.10 | Daenyth | how can I make it louder? |
| 15:13.35 | Daenyth | I tried messing with alsamixer but I can't figure out the channel, and Dialer seems to change the volume on its own and ignore my settings |
| 15:13.36 | nyu | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: gnash should work well on it; I hear its been used on embedded before (e.g. olpc) |
| 15:13.54 | nyu | and the FR is not so different from olpc resource-wise |
| 15:13.58 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | is there an ipk available? and why is nobody playing flashgames on it? |
| 15:14.20 | Daenyth | Dave: how do you deal with the volume issue |
| 15:14.47 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | Daenyth: alsamixer |
| 15:15.00 | Daenyth | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: I said I already tried that.. |
| 15:15.05 | bricode__ | nyu: The proc in the OLPC is quite a bit faster. |
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| 15:15.13 | Daenyth | can you tell me what channel? And dialer seems to change the volume settings on its own |
| 15:15.23 | Daenyth | so I have no clue what to change |
| 15:15.42 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | I can't tell you by heart, you'll have to play with ti while using sound |
| 15:15.46 | Daenyth | meh |
| 15:16.26 | Dave | volume issue? |
| 15:16.29 | Dave | what volume issue? |
| 15:16.51 | Dave | daenyth, right now I have this freerunner connected to a five piece surround system |
| 15:16.59 | Dave | I'm not complaining :) |
| 15:17.02 | Dave | :P |
| 15:17.52 | bricode__ | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: Flash on the OLPC was a little rough in video land. About 5-8 fps |
| 15:18.29 | Daenyth | blah |
| 15:18.45 | Daenyth | does anyone know what channel controls the phone speaker? :/ |
| 15:18.58 | Daenyth | I can't figure it out, nothing I change has an effect while I'm talking |
| 15:19.15 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | 5-8FPS ?? :( |
| 15:19.23 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | is there any hope of improving it on the FR? |
| 15:19.37 | Dave | yeah, pretty much |
| 15:19.49 | Dave | daenyth :( |
| 15:20.02 | Dave | zorkman, yeah, somebody make a glamo driver ? |
| 15:20.05 | Dave | REAL |
| 15:20.08 | bricode__ | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: doubtful. One of the reasons the OLPC project went with the Geode proc was that it has a floating point. |
| 15:20.29 | bricode__ | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: Geode also had SSE instructions to help with decode. |
| 15:20.40 | Dave | bricode, and why is this a disappointing aspect? |
| 15:21.48 | bricode__ | Dave: That flash doesn't run? I didn't say it was. Apple even dodges using flash by using h.264 instead a la m.youtube.com |
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| 15:22.16 | bricode__ | Dave: The glamo not having native h.264 decode is a bit unfortunate though. |
| 15:22.20 | dbmoodb | whats the deal with this glamo anyways ? |
| 15:22.26 | dbmoodb | bricode__: it has mpeg4 no ? |
| 15:22.31 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | yes |
| 15:22.38 | bricode__ | dbmoodb: yep |
| 15:22.43 | Dave | flash? |
| 15:22.44 | dbmoodb | so... transcode rofl |
| 15:22.50 | Dave | Who cares about flash? |
| 15:23.01 | Dave | dboomb, indeed |
| 15:23.02 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | some cool little games in flash dave |
| 15:23.02 | dbmoodb | wget file... transcode then play :) |
| 15:23.02 | bricode__ | dbmoodb: Which is okay, but transcoding everything can be a bit of a pain. Not impossible. |
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| 15:23.13 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | and I like to make flash files, so I would like to look at them on my fr :) |
| 15:23.21 | Dave | heh |
| 15:23.26 | Dave | you're evil |
| 15:23.28 | dbmoodb | flash is a god |
| 15:23.49 | *** part/#openmoko mwester (n=nmwester@nslu2-linux/mwester) |
| 15:23.52 | Dave | FLASH IS BLASPHEMY |
| 15:24.02 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | FLASH IS GOOD FOR YOU |
| 15:24.11 | Dave | fuck you! |
| 15:24.17 | dbmoodb | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: i heard flash is your mum |
| 15:24.27 | dbmoodb | just kidding |
| 15:24.30 | bricode__ | The reason why flash won was that it was easy to install/use and became ubiquitous. Transcoding doesn't meet that metric. |
| 15:24.49 | retracile | Flash is evil! |
| 15:25.08 | Daenyth | nobody else has any problem with the volume? :/ |
| 15:25.14 | dbmoodb | bricode__: automated transcoding .... perhaps we can just shove a server up and so it will be automatic.. grab youtube video --> transcode --> link for openmoko |
| 15:25.19 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | retracile: only because flash on linux sucks :) |
| 15:25.36 | dbmoodb | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: flash on windows sucks more |
| 15:25.37 | retracile | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: ... which is because it's proprietary. |
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| 15:25.58 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | dbmoodb: actually I really like it on windows |
| 15:26.01 | dbmoodb | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: not only does it still use 100% cpu it also uses more memory. |
| 15:26.07 | retracile | dons his FreeSofwareZealot badge ;) |
| 15:26.21 | bricode__ | dbmoodb: True. Adds a bit of latency to starting your stream though, and doesn't allow for too many simult. accesses. |
| 15:26.25 | dbmoodb | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: ok trust me its just the same as on linux. linux has it better if anything cuz the os doesn't crash when that happens. |
| 15:26.27 | Dave | retracile! |
| 15:26.37 | retracile | Dave! |
| 15:26.51 | Dave | slaps zorkman around a bit with the iliad |
| 15:27.03 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | dbmoodb: I used Windows almost my entire life, it might be because I suck at linux, but flash surely runs much better on Windows |
| 15:27.06 | dbmoodb | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: go to abc.com.au find the iview and use it on windows - i promise you it takes up near 100% of your cpu. no matter what damn os your on. |
| 15:27.44 | dbmoodb | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: every other site works better on linux for me with swf-dec or gnash. i don't want to use adobe flash. its just a security nightmare not to meantion proprietary. |
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| 15:28.30 | Dave | huhuhu |
| 15:28.42 | Sargun | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman, Flash sucks period. |
| 15:28.49 | Dave | PERIOD |
| 15:28.55 | Dave | high-fives Sargun |
| 15:29.00 | dbmoodb | yep period -- doesnt matter the os |
| 15:29.02 | Sargun | yah! |
| 15:29.05 | Dave | :) |
| 15:29.24 | retracile | Feeeeel the hatred.... |
| 15:29.31 | Sargun | pure hate. |
| 15:29.32 | Dave | Let the hate flow through you! |
| 15:29.34 | Daenyth | sigh |
| 15:29.35 | Dave | >:) |
| 15:29.39 | Daenyth | the volume issue is really serious |
| 15:29.49 | dbmoodb | Daenyth: ah ? |
| 15:29.51 | Daenyth | if I can't hear people talking when I'm outside I can't use the fr as my main phone |
| 15:30.01 | Sargun | Daenyth, ALSAMIXER! |
| 15:30.08 | Daenyth | Sargun: WHAT CHANNEL |
| 15:30.10 | dbmoodb | Daenyth: really i can... what distro rofl (sargun). |
| 15:30.11 | Dave | haha |
| 15:30.13 | Daenyth | every single channel I tried has no effect |
| 15:30.14 | Dave | MORE YELLING |
| 15:30.16 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | Sargun: opinions differ, I liek it and I like working with it |
| 15:30.20 | Daenyth | I've said that at least 3 times |
| 15:30.21 | retracile | Daenyth: I'm working to get my FR to replace my current PDA. So I haven't dealt with using it as a phone yet, so I can't offer much help. |
| 15:30.27 | Sargun | Daenyth, brute force? |
| 15:30.34 | Dave | zorkman, you just spelled like, liek, case closed. |
| 15:30.45 | Dave | :P |
| 15:30.54 | Daenyth | Sargun: the other thing is that when I open dialer it changes volume levels. so I don't even know if my change will persist |
| 15:31.06 | dbmoodb | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman: enjoying a linux based phone (i wouldn't take this one as a good example tho atm). |
| 15:31.08 | Sargun | Daenyth, it wont |
| 15:31.23 | Sargun | save your file to /etc with alsactl and overwrite the standard confirm for GSM fun. |
| 15:31.44 | Sargun | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman, You're weird, you're different, I don't like you. |
| 15:31.48 | Sargun | config |
| 15:31.49 | Dave | yeah, I unfortunately went through that whole thing recently. |
| 15:31.59 | Dave | Sargun, haha, well, aren't we nice :) |
| 15:32.11 | dbmoodb | Sargun: ... played with that on debian -- couldnt' get it to record / work for a voip app |
| 15:32.15 | Dave | Zorkman, "he doesn't like you." |
| 15:32.23 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03tick * r4613 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_cmd.c: |
| 15:32.23 | CIA-48 | openmoko: [opkg] fix opkg crashes if PATH is unset |
| 15:32.23 | CIA-48 | openmoko: Thanks for chgros |
| 15:32.24 | Sargun | <british accent>We are :-)</british accent> |
| 15:32.24 | Daenyth | Sargun: what do I overwrite in /etc |
| 15:32.25 | Dave | "I don't like you either." >:) |
| 15:32.28 | Sargun | Daenyth, a file. |
| 15:32.31 | Sargun | ;-) |
| 15:32.35 | Dave | heehee |
| 15:32.40 | Sargun | Daenyth, do you have your levels adjusted with alsamixer? |
| 15:32.47 | TeLLuS | got a Neo Freerunner today! Soon some flashing.. :) |
| 15:32.48 | Dave | oh man, I wonder if I can watch starwars on my moko |
| 15:32.49 | Daenyth | Sargun: find /etc -iname gsm returns nothing |
| 15:32.55 | Dave | Go Tellus! |
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| 15:33.12 | Daenyth | Dave: sure, telnet towel.blinkenlights.de or so.. |
| 15:33.18 | Dave | no |
| 15:33.30 | Dave | The actual movie :P |
| 15:33.47 | Daenyth | .nl^ |
| 15:33.47 | dbmoodb | Daenyth: what's the actual url ? /host to telnet for it |
| 15:33.54 | Sargun | Daenyth, do "alsactl -f ~/headset.gsm store" |
| 15:33.56 | Daenyth | dbmoodb: towel.blinkenlights.nl |
| 15:33.58 | Sargun | Daenyth, |
| 15:34.05 | Daenyth | Sargun: and it will use that? |
| 15:34.09 | Sargun | Daenyth, find /etc|grep fsm -- Does that give you anything? |
| 15:34.19 | Sargun | Daenyth, No, but you can restore that file on a call |
| 15:34.24 | Daenyth | no |
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| 15:34.31 | Daenyth | no result |
| 15:34.38 | dbmoodb | Daenyth: do you know the toilets at mits telnet thing ? |
| 15:34.40 | Dave | Sargun, are you referring to asound? |
| 15:34.42 | Daenyth | Dave: ? |
| 15:34.45 | Daenyth | dbmoodb: |
| 15:34.53 | Sargun | did you figure out your levels with alsamixer? |
| 15:35.20 | Daenyth | Sargun: I still can't find a channel that has any effect |
| 15:35.32 | dbmoodb | mits has a telnet service you can use to see what toilets are being used |
| 15:35.41 | Daenyth | can't you just tell me what channel to change/give me a working config file? |
| 15:36.00 | Sargun | Daenyth, I have no idea, I'm just trying to help :-(( |
| 15:36.12 | Sargun | I'm sorry that I'm unable to give you a config file |
| 15:36.15 | dbmoodb | Daenyth: you can use some preset ones. |
| 15:36.29 | dbmoodb | pre-set* |
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| 15:37.21 | Daenyth | ah |
| 15:37.33 | Daenyth | the way you were talking about it I thought you had been able to fix it yourself |
| 15:37.36 | Daenyth | sorry |
| 15:37.40 | Daenyth | dbmoodb: ok... ? Where are they |
| 15:37.58 | dbmoodb | for what distro ? |
| 15:38.04 | Daenyth | uh |
| 15:38.07 | Daenyth | oh |
| 15:38.17 | Daenyth | I thought you meant there were ones for the fr available |
| 15:38.20 | dbmoodb | well there are settings for 2007.2 ... 2008 and fso -- probably all really similar |
| 15:38.28 | Daenyth | that doesn't help me, since any settings I have here won't have any of the FR channels |
| 15:38.36 | Daenyth | I have 2007.2 |
| 15:38.57 | Dave | :) |
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| 15:39.27 | dbmoodb | well they are available some where just take a look on the wiki / blah. |
| 15:39.32 | Daenyth | blah |
| 15:39.39 | Daenyth | I've been looking at the wiki since saturday |
| 15:39.45 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03tick * r4614 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_install.c: [opkg] Remove the orphan packages while upgrading |
| 15:40.04 | dbmoodb | ohreally ? |
| 15:40.10 | dbmoodb | ok then let me give you them |
| 15:40.19 | Daenyth | huh? |
| 15:40.42 | dbmoodb | wait.. they are on the phone... i think in /etc/alsa something .... you go alsactlr -f filename i think .... restore |
| 15:40.46 | dbmoodb | something like that |
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| 15:41.02 | Daenyth | I have no /etc/alsa |
| 15:41.11 | Daenyth | asound.conf and asound.state |
| 15:41.13 | dbmoodb | oh on 2007 ? |
| 15:41.25 | Daenyth | yes |
| 15:41.30 | |Marco| | uuuuh, Dave, it's not just cairo that's "not installed" I just installed a different lib, and it's not there... |
| 15:41.58 | |Marco| | apps, go fine.. but it almost looks like some lib ipk's might be empty or somthing :S |
| 15:42.01 | Daenyth | |Marco|: can't launch mofi? |
| 15:42.06 | Dave | huh? |
| 15:42.14 | |Marco| | Daenyth: and other thing yes |
| 15:42.14 | Dave | marco, according to opkg? |
| 15:42.18 | Daenyth | marcinsoo: me either |
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| 15:42.20 | Daenyth | er |
| 15:42.23 | Daenyth | stupid tab |
| 15:42.26 | |Marco| | hehe |
| 15:42.32 | Daenyth | anyway |
| 15:42.34 | |Marco| | Daenyth: not only mofi |
| 15:42.41 | Dave | mofo? |
| 15:42.47 | Daenyth | |Marco|: how can I check the contents of an ipkg? |
| 15:42.48 | |Marco| | other things requiring python-gtk stuf.. |
| 15:42.55 | |Marco| | Daenyth: donno |
| 15:42.59 | Daenyth | hrm |
| 15:43.16 | |Marco| | i'm going to see if I can compile the packs manualy and see if that helps |
| 15:43.47 | Daenyth | ok |
| 15:43.51 | Daenyth | if you get it working let me know |
| 15:43.55 | Daenyth | I really would like to have a gui for wifi |
| 15:44.27 | |Marco| | Daenyth: me to, but when it comes to mofi, it also needs a working wpa_supplicant |
| 15:44.33 | Daenyth | root@om-gta02:/etc# opkg files python-pycairo |
| 15:44.33 | Daenyth | Package python-pycairo (1.4.0-ml1) is installed on root and has the following files: |
| 15:44.36 | Daenyth | root@om-gta02:/etc# |
| 15:44.37 | Daenyth | aha!! |
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| 15:44.47 | |Marco| | noop, that is'nt there |
| 15:44.56 | Daenyth | |Marco|: it doesn't need a wpa_sup, that's lint |
| 15:45.02 | |Marco| | do a find /*|grep -i python-pycairo |
| 15:45.26 | |Marco| | hehehe |
| 15:45.32 | |Marco| | ah, sorry, I missunderstood |
| 15:45.42 | |Marco| | I'll trye to compile that to |
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| 15:46.15 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03tick * r4615 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libbb/unarchive.c: [opkg] trivial, remove unused variable res |
| 15:46.18 | Daenyth | root@om-gta02:/etc# find / -iname *python-pycairo* |
| 15:46.18 | Daenyth | /usr/lib/opkg/info/python-pycairo.control |
| 15:46.18 | Daenyth | /usr/lib/opkg/info/python-pycairo.list |
| 15:46.22 | Daenyth | that's all I found |
| 15:46.52 | Daenyth | maintainer: Angstrom Developers <angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org> <<-- for python-pycairo |
| 15:46.56 | Daenyth | :/ |
| 15:47.02 | Daenyth | that's very useless |
| 15:47.17 | |Marco| | mmmhm, have the same problem here |
| 15:47.29 | Daenyth | |Marco|: well at least we know WHY |
| 15:47.35 | Daenyth | next step is to file a bug |
| 15:47.43 | Daenyth | !bugs |
| 15:47.49 | Daenyth | hrmf |
| 15:47.51 | Daenyth | useless bot |
| 15:47.54 | dbmoodb | ~bugs |
| 15:47.56 | Dave | :D |
| 15:48.02 | Dave | error error |
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| 15:48.15 | dbmoodb | ~crash |
| 15:48.16 | apt | if you have apps that just can't help but keep shooting themselves in the head, and causing you to lose unsaved data, have a look through /proc/kcore and you might be able to salvage some of the lost data: 'cat /proc/kcore | strings > kcore-file' then 'less kcore-file' works great with netscape that always likes to crash in the middle of typing in forms submissions text boxes. |
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| 15:48.54 | Daenyth | where do I report bugs |
| 15:48.58 | dbmoodb | oh aparently ~bugs is for a given package |
| 15:48.58 | Daenyth | aha nvm |
| 15:49.16 | |Marco| | okay, I'm running bitbake on python-pycairo and poppler now, on 2 seperate machines |
| 15:49.26 | |Marco| | it'll take a little while |
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| 15:50.31 | paroneayea | hello all! |
| 15:50.50 | Daenyth | |Marco|: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1830 |
| 15:50.54 | Daenyth | it looks like this bug is known |
| 15:51.01 | paroneayea | has just switched to finally using his neo 1973 as his primary phone :3 |
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| 15:51.08 | Daenyth | paroneayea: nice! |
| 15:51.11 | paroneayea | though... I'm running the qtopia image for now |
| 15:51.14 | Daenyth | paroneayea: how do you find the volume levels? |
| 15:51.16 | paroneayea | but at least its all free software |
| 15:51.19 | Daenyth | ah |
| 15:51.24 | Daenyth | boo qtopia :< |
| 15:51.25 | Daenyth | ugly |
| 15:51.57 | Daenyth | |Marco|: opened 11 days ago, last mod 9 days ago |
| 15:52.07 | Daenyth | |Marco|: maybe reply to the bug with a link to your fixed ipkg when you can |
| 15:52.12 | Daenyth | mmm |
| 15:52.22 | paroneayea | Daenyth: yeah, but for now, it works... |
| 15:52.25 | Daenyth | I should go talk to iphthus about porting netcfg to om... |
| 15:52.28 | paroneayea | I'm hoping to switch over soon |
| 15:52.36 | paroneayea | right now I'm just happy to use free software on my phone |
| 15:52.41 | Daenyth | paroneayea: yeah, qtopia was a bit more usuable I must admit |
| 15:52.45 | |Marco| | Daenyth: depends on if my compiled packs work or not :S |
| 15:52.45 | Daenyth | I just really really don't like it |
| 15:52.54 | Daenyth | |Marco|: yeah, hopefully.. |
| 15:53.04 | paroneayea | Daenyth: I don't like it too much either. But I'm glad, for now, that it is here |
| 15:53.22 | Daenyth | yeah |
| 15:53.30 | Daenyth | maybe I'll set up a dual-boot thing |
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| 15:53.45 | Daenyth | I hate how it hides everything from you though |
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| 15:58.56 | Dave | hungers |
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| 16:07.24 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r25cbcac81846 10/src/zhone: fix start page option |
| 16:07.25 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r3cceb0740ac1 10/src/zhone: start better pin entry dialog |
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| 16:15.50 | wurp2|working | blist |
| 16:15.56 | wurp2|working | sorry, wrong window |
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| 16:16.58 | |Marco| | Daenyth: python-pycairo is compiled now, let's see if it works |
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| 16:20.22 | paroneayea | anyone using the debian install on their openmoko? |
| 16:20.32 | AntonTakk | /clear/win 3 |
| 16:20.35 | AntonTakk | oops |
| 16:20.42 | paroneayea | clearly, you win trice :D |
| 16:20.45 | paroneayea | er, |
| 16:20.49 | paroneayea | thrice |
| 16:20.55 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 16:21.20 | AntonTakk | fso ms3 looks like it will be pretty sweet |
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| 16:22.18 | paroneayea | Hm... resume from suspend for phone calls doesn't appear to work on the qtopia image, I think |
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| 16:25.23 | |Marco| | I'm not allowed to install my pack, it's telling me it's got i different md5 sum and/or hold/prefered.... |
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| 16:26.43 | doc|fail | hello, so, I'm using qtopia, had left my freerunner plugged into my work computer when I went home last night. Battery probably died. Started computer and freerunner booted immediately. Did some stuff on the computer, then typed in sim pin on freerunner. Computer rebooted... |
| 16:26.53 | Dave | heh |
| 16:26.57 | Dave | Hey doc fail |
| 16:27.00 | Dave | How goes it? :P |
| 16:27.02 | doc|fail | hey Dave |
| 16:27.07 | doc|fail | not too bad :) |
| 16:27.09 | doc|fail | you? |
| 16:27.37 | Dave | uhh |
| 16:27.53 | Dave | Devouring freerunners. |
| 16:28.42 | doc|fail | that sounds bad |
| 16:30.51 | doc|fail | grrr, this qtopia isn't great :/ |
| 16:31.03 | doc|fail | seems to have less battery life than the older one |
| 16:32.39 | AntonTakk | wish i could find a good simple simple example for making apps with edje guis in python or c/c++, i'd start writing some decent phone/pim apps |
| 16:33.09 | mickeyl | awesome. check the enlightenment SVN |
| 16:33.25 | mickeyl | also see zhone |
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| 16:33.31 | mickeyl | (in git.freesmartphone.org) |
| 16:33.31 | |Marco| | how do I ball-gag opkg so I can install a package I've compiled myself insted of the defective one in the repositorys ? |
| 16:33.53 | AntonTakk | i did, and btw the python-edje-example packege contains a python script that fails to initialize the gfx module |
| 16:33.57 | pascal | which dist is recommended if you want a working openmoko with future updates? |
| 16:34.43 | mickeyl | depends what you want to do |
| 16:34.49 | mickeyl | only using = qtopia |
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| 16:34.49 | AntonTakk | as far as zhone, when I say simple, I mean like one to two buttons and a single source file (i haven't coded in ages) |
| 16:35.19 | mickeyl | right, then better check the E svn |
| 16:35.24 | mickeyl | there's tons of examples and tests there |
| 16:36.06 | AntonTakk | ok, and any idea who i'd inform about the example for python-edje not working? |
| 16:36.17 | mickeyl | depends on your distro |
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| 16:36.21 | AntonTakk | fso |
| 16:36.24 | mickeyl | oh |
| 16:36.29 | mickeyl | show me the error |
| 16:36.33 | mickeyl | (pastebin) |
| 16:36.36 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 16:36.56 | pascal | mickeyl: I would like to use it is a daily phone and at the same time be able to extend it and expect continues updates. |
| 16:37.02 | lindi- | paroneayea: sure |
| 16:37.09 | AntonTakk | running 2008.8 atm, gimme a few to flash fso |
| 16:37.18 | mickeyl | pascal: this is a tough requirement |
| 16:37.20 | pascal | mickeyl: problem with qtopia is a lot of gsm buzz and no wifi... |
| 16:37.27 | mickeyl | gsm buzz is not software |
| 16:37.31 | mickeyl | will occur on all images |
| 16:37.37 | mickeyl | no idea 'bout wifi |
| 16:37.39 | pascal | mickeyl: yeah, I know. |
| 16:37.59 | AntonTakk | i hardly ever hear any gsm buzz on the other end in my own testing |
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| 16:38.06 | mickeyl | i'm afraid the requirement daily phone leads to qtopia |
| 16:38.12 | mickeyl | whereas being able to extend it leads to fso |
| 16:38.19 | mickeyl | choices... |
| 16:38.20 | |Marco| | does anyone know how to override opkg ? |
| 16:38.21 | pascal | mickeyl: but I heard that you could remove it by adjusting the sound |
| 16:38.30 | mickeyl | unlikely |
| 16:38.38 | mickeyl | but there's tons of controls |
| 16:38.40 | mickeyl | worth a try |
| 16:38.43 | pascal | mickeyl: hmm ok. Thanks |
| 16:39.10 | mickeyl | i'm afraid Om needs make it more clear that this is a developer board in a phone case |
| 16:40.36 | pascal | heh... well I sorta knew that... But I did expect to be able to make phone-calls from it. Right now people keep complaining about echo, gsm buzzing and not being able to hear me... |
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| 16:40.51 | mickeyl | hmm, that's unfortunate |
| 16:40.56 | mickeyl | it works pretty ok as a phone here |
| 16:41.03 | mickeyl | (yes, buzzing a bit, but still) |
| 16:41.10 | |Marco| | if I can figure out how to override opkg to install a pack I might have a solution to the cairo problem |
| 16:41.26 | mickeyl | opkg install --force-whatever? |
| 16:41.33 | |Marco| | mickeyl: noop |
| 16:41.38 | |Marco| | tryed and failed |
| 16:41.46 | |Marco| | same message whatever I do |
| 16:41.57 | AntonTakk | mount isn't revealing the proper device name to use to make a backup image of the installed software to my media card, any ideas? |
| 16:42.48 | |Marco| | http://pastebin.com/m1d871dfe <-- this is the responce I get |
| 16:43.18 | mickeyl | ah |
| 16:43.31 | mjr | AntonTakk, cat /proc/mounts ? |
| 16:43.33 | mickeyl | try rebuilding the index of the feed your're installing from |
| 16:43.37 | mickeyl | and then opkg update |
| 16:43.44 | AntonTakk | found it - cat /etc/fstab :) |
| 16:43.47 | |Marco| | rebuild the index ? |
| 16:44.00 | AntonTakk | /dev/mtdblock4 in case anyone was wondering |
| 16:44.55 | mickeyl | yes, the index on the feed |
| 16:45.00 | |Marco| | mickeyl: how do I spank opkg into doing that ? |
| 16:45.04 | mickeyl | (assuming you have access to that machine) |
| 16:45.09 | |Marco| | err... |
| 16:45.12 | |Marco| | noop |
| 16:45.16 | mickeyl | if not, try yanking the whole feeds |
| 16:45.24 | |Marco| | gah.. |
| 16:45.25 | |Marco| | oki |
| 16:45.38 | mickeyl | and then mail to opkg-devel, since this is a problem :) |
| 16:45.47 | mickeyl | they should add an override switch |
| 16:45.50 | mickeyl | for md5sum |
| 16:45.58 | Dave | There are many problems. |
| 16:46.05 | |Marco| | mickeyl: mmmmhm |
| 16:46.06 | Dave | hate@opkg-devel |
| 16:48.21 | |Marco| | can't I just set up my own package server here ? |
| 16:48.32 | mickeyl | sure |
| 16:48.33 | |Marco| | gah |
| 16:48.35 | |Marco| | won't work.. |
| 16:48.40 | mickeyl | why not? |
| 16:48.41 | |Marco| | stil won't override |
| 16:48.52 | |Marco| | &%#¤&%¤ |
| 16:49.04 | mickeyl | removed the files? |
| 16:49.09 | mickeyl | opkg caches the info somewhere |
| 16:49.19 | |Marco| | didn't help, just gave me a new problem |
| 16:49.37 | mickeyl | then better set up your own feed |
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| 16:49.55 | |Marco| | packages were found but wrong architecture |
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| 16:51.09 | |Marco| | this is angering... is there _NO_ way of overriding without setting up your own repository ? |
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| 16:53.45 | AntonTakk | er, mtdblock6, aparently |
| 16:53.48 | doc|work | hah, sweet http://www.internetnews.com/ec-news/article.php/3767486 |
| 16:54.14 | Dave | What the problem is? |
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| 16:54.19 | Dave | doc, you're no longer failing? :) |
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| 16:55.04 | AntonTakk | mickeyl: i'll have the exact error after I flash an fso image, but iirc it was something about not being able to initialize the evas x engine |
| 16:55.21 | Dave | scary |
| 16:55.36 | Dave | Yet another reason I should be glad I'm not running fso :) |
| 16:55.47 | Sargun | hehe. |
| 16:56.00 | Daenyth | |Marco|: did it work? |
| 16:56.20 | doc|work | Dave: I'm failing, but at work, so it's work's problem :) |
| 16:56.22 | |Marco| | Daenyth: I can't install the &%¤#&%¤#&% ipk pack |
| 16:56.25 | Dave | heh |
| 16:56.28 | Dave | Good call :) |
| 16:56.30 | Daenyth | poo |
| 16:56.34 | Dave | Daenyth? |
| 16:56.43 | Dave | Marco, what the HELL are you doing? |
| 16:56.44 | Daenyth | |Marco|: well it's python... so maybe copy the files from the 2008.8 ipk? |
| 16:56.52 | Daenyth | Dave: trying to fix python-pycairo |
| 16:56.54 | |Marco| | okay, is there info on how to set up your own repo ? |
| 16:57.03 | Daenyth | Dave: opkg files python-pycairo says that the package is empty |
| 16:57.13 | Dave | what? |
| 16:57.19 | Daenyth | Dave: the package has no files in it |
| 16:57.24 | Dave | Who packaged it? |
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| 16:57.29 | Dave | the angstrom people? |
| 16:57.33 | |Marco| | jepp |
| 16:57.34 | Daenyth | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.36 | Dave | if there's a bad package, I'd blame xora |
| 16:57.44 | Dave | he's the closest person, haha |
| 16:57.45 | Daenyth | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.50 | Dave | Daenyth, oh, there's already a bug for it? |
| 16:57.52 | Dave | ticket, rather |
| 16:57.52 | Daenyth | yes |
| 16:58.03 | |Marco| | and I've compiled a probably working pack but can't for the life of me get it installed |
| 16:58.14 | Daenyth | well obviously it's not a working ipk :P |
| 16:58.37 | Dave | well then |
| 16:58.43 | Dave | do you want a working one? |
| 16:58.47 | Daenyth | heh |
| 16:58.56 | Daenyth | I'm fine with just copying the files |
| 16:59.04 | Daenyth | if it's python it should just work |
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| 16:59.15 | Daenyth | maybe try exploding the 2008.8 ipk? |
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| 16:59.28 | |Marco| | can I "uncompress" the pack and move the file manualy ? |
| 16:59.35 | Dave | is this 1.4.0? |
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| 17:00.00 | |Marco| | mm |
| 17:00.04 | Daenyth | also opkg is misleading |
| 17:00.09 | Daenyth | it says you can use regex but it's not |
| 17:00.12 | Daenyth | it's just globbing |
| 17:00.21 | |Marco| | Daenyth: compiled from latest bitbake code |
| 17:00.22 | Daenyth | anyway |
| 17:00.26 | Dave | uh? |
| 17:00.35 | |Marco| | gah |
| 17:00.37 | Daenyth | |Marco|: try to scp the files to your FR |
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| 17:00.42 | Dave | Will you two please chill while I look into it? |
| 17:00.52 | AntonTakk | but....but...globbing = regex, right </windows guy> hehe j/k |
| 17:00.54 | Daenyth | Dave: are you a dev? |
| 17:00.57 | Daenyth | lol |
| 17:01.08 | bumbl | re |
| 17:01.18 | |Marco| | I've allready got the file on the fr and that's where it's screwing me over again and again.... |
| 17:01.37 | Daenyth | |Marco|: not the ipk file, the module file |
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| 17:01.52 | |Marco| | Dave: I've been &#&%'ing around with this most of the day.. so I'm getting a bit twitchy... |
| 17:02.18 | Dave | opkg install http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/python-pycairo_1.4.0-ml1_armv4t.ipk |
| 17:02.20 | |Marco| | Daenyth: er.. from bitbake ? it deletes the build dir when it's finished if I remember correctly |
| 17:02.25 | Dave | there, now kindly shut the fuck up :) |
| 17:02.28 | Daenyth | |Marco|: tell it not to? |
| 17:02.46 | Daenyth | Dave: NOU |
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| 17:03.38 | Daenyth | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.42 | Daenyth | Dave: fail |
| 17:04.06 | |Marco| | Daenyth: I can't |
| 17:04.19 | Daenyth | what kind of shitty build system is that :/ |
| 17:04.33 | Dave | right, so |
| 17:04.37 | Dave | replace it |
| 17:04.40 | Dave | easy |
| 17:04.42 | Daenyth | how |
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| 17:04.44 | Dave | and ignore the md5 sum |
| 17:04.48 | Dave | either one, or both |
| 17:04.51 | Daenyth | huh? |
| 17:04.53 | Dave | there are basic options for this! |
| 17:05.04 | Dave | Which as far as I know actually work :) |
| 17:05.46 | Daenyth | I don't see anything relating to md5sums in --help |
| 17:05.51 | Dave | it's not there |
| 17:05.58 | Dave | but yeah, opkg's force options really suck |
| 17:05.58 | Dave | :D |
| 17:06.01 | Daenyth | aha |
| 17:06.02 | Dave | they're somewhat illogical |
| 17:06.04 | Daenyth | there it is |
| 17:06.08 | retracile | ... and they don't work either. |
| 17:06.13 | Dave | haha, sometimes ;D |
| 17:06.15 | Dave | haha one sec :) |
| 17:06.15 | Daenyth | wait no |
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| 17:06.25 | Daenyth | I thought I found it, but no |
| 17:06.35 | Daenyth | Dave: what basic option do I use? |
| 17:06.42 | Daenyth | or is it undocumented :P |
| 17:07.11 | Dave | a lot of it is questionably documented :P |
| 17:07.23 | Dave | like this is here... but sssh, don't tell anyone, or they might come back and yell at us! |
| 17:07.26 | Dave | pretty annoying :p |
| 17:07.57 | Daenyth | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.57 | Daenyth | root@om-gta02:/etc# |
| 17:07.57 | Daenyth | nothing |
| 17:08.20 | Daenyth | Dave: so again, what's the option for it |
| 17:08.24 | Daenyth | since you seem to know it's there |
| 17:08.24 | Dave | HOLD ON |
| 17:08.33 | Dave | Don't make me tranq you :P |
| 17:08.52 | Daenyth | lol |
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| 17:09.35 | Dave | my suggestion with general opkg errors was always --force it till it Hurtz! |
| 17:09.40 | Dave | take it, opkg! |
| 17:09.40 | Daenyth | :/ |
| 17:09.42 | Dave | make it your bitch |
| 17:09.53 | Daenyth | --force isn't an option either >_> |
| 17:09.53 | Dave | it's kind of disappointing there isn't an unconditional --force option |
| 17:10.07 | |Marco| | pycairo.pc <-- that's now the one I need' is it ? |
| 17:10.09 | Dave | what I really enjoyed though is software which permits multiple specifications of the --force option |
| 17:10.13 | Daenyth | |Marco|: yes |
| 17:10.13 | Dave | BECAUSE IT LIKES TO TAKE IT HARDER! |
| 17:10.18 | Dave | ;D |
| 17:10.33 | Daenyth | om should just switch to pacman |
| 17:10.39 | Daenyth | instead of making YAIPS |
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| 17:10.46 | Daenyth | yet another inferior packaging system :P |
| 17:10.56 | Dave | pretty much |
| 17:11.01 | Dave | hmm, that reminds me of YAPC |
| 17:11.06 | Dave | bad memories... |
| 17:11.51 | |Marco| | Daenyth: bull&/%¤/&, still nogo |
| 17:11.57 | Daenyth | whaaa |
| 17:13.10 | Daenyth | man |
| 17:13.12 | Daenyth | crappy |
| 17:13.13 | Daenyth | mmk |
| 17:13.14 | Daenyth | well |
| 17:13.18 | Dave | fuck |
| 17:13.26 | Dave | All your yelling made my Xglamo go defunct :( |
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| 17:13.31 | Daenyth | lemme whip up a quick script to connect to a wifi network |
| 17:13.31 | |Marco| | can someone give me a larg rock I can bash my head in with ? |
| 17:13.36 | Daenyth | and then I will go out |
| 17:13.37 | Daenyth | heh |
| 17:13.42 | Daenyth | and hopefully this time I can get online |
| 17:13.46 | Dave | Use the freerunner, it's pretty weighty! :F |
| 17:13.47 | Dave | :D |
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| 17:14.18 | |Marco| | Dave: noop, not enough.. maby one of my amps |
| 17:14.25 | Daenyth | I always find it easier to just remove my eyeballs with a rusty spoon. At least with that you can have a snack too :) |
| 17:14.26 | Dave | X_X |
| 17:14.40 | Dave | use the spork! |
| 17:14.56 | Daenyth | but they taste much better unpunctured :o |
| 17:15.35 | Daenyth | anyway |
| 17:15.46 | Daenyth | time for me to go shower, go out, get groceries |
| 17:15.50 | Daenyth | later |
| 17:16.14 | Dave | don't forget to get laid! ;) |
| 17:16.41 | Dave | uggh, data transfer is ungodly slow |
| 17:16.46 | Dave | :( |
| 17:16.57 | Dave | zorkman, get outta my dbus! :p |
| 17:17.43 | Daenyth | maybe when my gf gets home from work :p |
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| 17:18.05 | Marcel_M | Daenyth: you can rename the daily armv4t-feed.config in /etc/opkg , opkg update and opkg install http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/python-pycairo_1.4.0-ml1_armv4t.ipk and rename the feed again |
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| 17:31.32 | Dave | heh |
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| 17:33.04 | Dave | ECRAVEN |
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| 17:33.21 | ecraven | hey dave |
| 17:33.34 | ecraven | has anything important happened over the last two weeks? |
| 17:33.56 | Dave | My Xglamo exploded 19 more times. Hald and Openmoko-today exploded about six or seven more times. |
| 17:33.57 | Sargun | o. |
| 17:34.04 | Dave | Beyond that, nothing new. |
| 17:34.08 | Dave | oh yeah and neod a couple times :) |
| 17:34.15 | Dave | ecraven, oh and I put doom and heretic on the phone :D |
| 17:34.16 | Sargun | haha |
| 17:34.28 | ecraven | has anyone had issues with tangogps crashing? i've used it every day for two weeks, and it crashes at least 5 times over 6-8 hours |
| 17:34.49 | Dave | yeah |
| 17:34.52 | Dave | if you have it on for a long time, yes |
| 17:34.59 | Dave | it happens to leak like a motherfucker :D |
| 17:35.02 | Dave | just don't tell anyone :P |
| 17:35.08 | ecraven | that is *very* inconvenient ;) |
| 17:35.09 | Dave | we're kind of hoping you don't notice :) |
| 17:35.13 | Dave | yeah yeah |
| 17:35.13 | SpeedEvil | This issue is solved in GTA03 |
| 17:35.19 | SpeedEvil | It's got 4GB of RAM. |
| 17:35.22 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 17:35.24 | Dave | oh DOES it now? |
| 17:35.25 | Dave | :) |
| 17:35.25 | AntonTakk | hehe |
| 17:35.34 | Dave | sounds like microsoft promoting software |
| 17:35.38 | Dave | we'll just add more memory! |
| 17:35.59 | Dave | I like how openmoko-today is using 279M of memory |
| 17:36.11 | Dave | and Xglamo is using 94% CPU |
| 17:36.22 | Dave | This is what happens when everything goes wrong! |
| 17:36.34 | Dave | It's really a party when glamo shows up! :) |
| 17:36.42 | SpeedEvil | watches Daves FR catch fire. |
| 17:36.48 | SpeedEvil | _now_ everything has gone wrong. |
| 17:36.55 | Dave | EJECT! EJECT! |
| 17:37.19 | AntonTakk | *attached usb cd burner ejects* |
| 17:37.25 | Dave | o_O |
| 17:37.28 | Dave | mayday mayday |
| 17:37.33 | Dave | we're going dooooooooooooooooown... |
| 17:37.37 | Dave | (for reboot) :) |
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| 17:52.04 | gamin | ecraven: tangogps runs stable for days on the om2007.2 |
| 17:52.27 | bumbl | ecraven: back from holiday? |
| 17:52.43 | ecraven | gamin: i'll try to find out what the actual problem is, it's rather hard to debug things directly on the neo with the limited keyboard/console |
| 17:52.49 | ecraven | bumbl: aye ;) been great, ireland is beautiful |
| 17:53.30 | Dave | :D |
| 17:53.42 | gamin | ecraven: tangogps is rather talkative on the console. you may start it from the terminal and redirect the output into a file. |
| 17:54.23 | ecraven | gamin: i'll run it from gdb, with a computer attached |
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| 17:55.05 | bumbl | ecraven: you might be interested in that we have an official debian port now |
| 17:55.25 | ecraven | bumbl: i heard, it just started a few days before i went away |
| 17:55.32 | ecraven | what url am i looking for? |
| 17:55.45 | bumbl | wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
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| 17:56.48 | bumbl | but after the freerunner corrupted my parition table debian does not want to install again |
| 17:57.49 | ecraven | bumbl: that is a very major bug imho |
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| 18:00.08 | bumbl | yes it is |
| 18:00.31 | bumbl | I am using fso unstable at the moment, which is quit cool and works more or less |
| 18:00.52 | Dave | haha |
| 18:01.07 | bumbl | *quite |
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| 18:01.21 | bumbl | at least it doesn't run out of memory |
| 18:01.27 | bumbl | is looking at Dav |
| 18:01.29 | bumbl | e |
| 18:01.29 | Dave | When you search google for your motherboard model number, you don't want the first page of results starting with Problems with <motherboard> or Crippled or Errors with... |
| 18:01.33 | Dave | haha |
| 18:01.50 | Dave | Hello bumble :) |
| 18:02.01 | Dave | bumble, my opkg frequently runs out of memory when reindexing |
| 18:02.04 | Dave | Clearly it whores. |
| 18:02.06 | kW | Hello... how is the development model for openmoko? Whom do I send patches to? (Or do I get commit rights right away?) |
| 18:02.31 | lindi- | bumbl: sounds like kernel bug indeed |
| 18:02.33 | Dave | send patches to openmoko developers and hope they vote your way |
| 18:02.50 | Dave | lindi :) |
| 18:03.38 | kW | Dave: you mean I should send patches to openmoko-devel@lists.openmoko.org ? |
| 18:03.54 | Dave | probably |
| 18:03.55 | lindi- | bumbl: have you figured out a way to reproduce it reliably? |
| 18:03.58 | Dave | propose them, anyhow :) |
| 18:04.19 | Dave | If Andy / the developers like it, then it shall likely be taken into consideration. |
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| 18:06.02 | bumbl | lindi-: yes |
| 18:06.17 | bumbl | I have tried it several times with different images |
| 18:06.18 | Veggen | ok. No clear answers: but is Om2008.8 nearing usability? I don't mind installing extra software, I just want a basis that works and some selection of software. GPS-software is a bit important, data communication likewise. |
| 18:06.24 | bumbl | -> reproducable |
| 18:06.42 | bumbl | the error I get while installing stands in the faq in the debian wiki |
| 18:07.39 | bumbl | Dave: if steve and jean like it, then it is taken into consideration |
| 18:07.44 | ShellEvil | I don't think data is actually working. |
| 18:07.48 | bumbl | *rant* |
| 18:08.08 | ShellEvil | (in a 'click here' sense) |
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| 18:09.46 | *** join/#openmoko WindowsUninstall (n=WindowsU@host83-115-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 18:09.55 | WindowsUninstall | hi * |
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| 18:09.58 | bumbl | hehe tomorrow is my last day at work |
| 18:10.16 | WindowsUninstall | I have a simple question: how to open my freerunner |
| 18:10.24 | WindowsUninstall | " |
| 18:10.24 | WindowsUninstall | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:10.33 | WindowsUninstall | it doesn't seems so simple |
| 18:10.36 | ShellEvil | Right - do that. |
| 18:10.36 | AntonTakk | carefully |
| 18:10.46 | ShellEvil | You see the fingernail slot? |
| 18:10.51 | WindowsUninstall | yes |
| 18:10.56 | AntonTakk | WindowsUninstall: yeah, if you look closely there is a rectangular notch in the top of the freerunner |
| 18:11.06 | WindowsUninstall | yes, yes, I seek |
| 18:11.07 | WindowsUninstall | yes, yes, I see |
| 18:11.08 | ShellEvil | I do it by. |
| 18:11.17 | ShellEvil | place middle fingernail into slot. |
| 18:11.30 | ShellEvil | With hand held clawed. |
| 18:12.05 | WindowsUninstall | and then? |
| 18:12.19 | ShellEvil | Now, holding the wrist rigid, using the heel of the hand as a level, tilt the arm so that it pops it off |
| 18:13.09 | AntonTakk | o.O |
| 18:13.17 | ShellEvil | as a lever |
| 18:13.54 | Dave | yeah that design was terrible |
| 18:14.03 | WindowsUninstall | opened |
| 18:14.04 | WindowsUninstall | ok |
| 18:14.07 | WindowsUninstall | thanks |
| 18:14.11 | Dave | bumble, who is jean? |
| 18:14.27 | Dave | Speedevil, do you think some version of windows could be installed on the freerunner? |
| 18:14.40 | ShellEvil | Dave: sure. |
| 18:14.51 | ShellEvil | Dave: pay someone to write the correct drivers and you're done. |
| 18:14.55 | bumbl | Dave: Jean Moss-Pultz |
| 18:14.57 | AntonTakk | i hold the fr in ly left hand, put right thumb nail in the slot and right fingers on the back just below the top of the screen and use the fingers to hold the back while prying against them with the thumb |
| 18:15.12 | bumbl | the one who stole your url one year before you thought about it |
| 18:17.26 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 18:18.51 | bumbl | ecraven: und bist du auch schon wieder up to date was unser politisches kasperltheater angeht? |
| 18:18.57 | Dave | Speed-evil -_- |
| 18:19.02 | Dave | bumble, Sean? |
| 18:19.16 | Dave | SOUNDS FRENCH |
| 18:19.18 | Dave | JEAN? |
| 18:19.21 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 18:19.21 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 18:19.53 | Dave | Speedevil, I was just wondering from a proof-of-concept or ridiculous/hilarious web image post perspective :) |
| 18:20.51 | phrozen77_ | hmmm |
| 18:20.55 | ShellEvil | Entirely off-topic. |
| 18:20.57 | ShellEvil | http://www.nivnac.co.uk/files/HAPS/HAPS1_withvideo_polar_quarter.jpg |
| 18:21.00 | bumbl | Dave: sorry jean - sean all the same |
| 18:21.10 | phrozen77_ | there doesnt seem to be a *locate package in the opkg repos? |
| 18:21.18 | ShellEvil | A 360 degree panorama from a amateur balloon at around 30Km |
| 18:22.54 | phrozen77_ | Veggen, that'd be a definite NO |
| 18:22.57 | AntonTakk | mickeyl: nevermind, it works now, must have been the image i was using |
| 18:23.19 | mickeyl | :) |
| 18:23.21 | mickeyl | glad to hear |
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| 18:23.43 | jucs | Hey :-) |
| 18:23.54 | phrozen77_ | hi jucs |
| 18:24.42 | jucs | XD |
| 18:24.49 | ecraven | by the way, i had about 5-8 hours of battery life with *only* gps active (no gsm, no wlan, no bluetooth).. that is rather problematic |
| 18:25.00 | ShellEvil | Not really. |
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| 18:25.18 | ShellEvil | 90% of the battery life stuff hasn't been implemented. |
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| 18:27.34 | Dave | Yeah, isn't it awesome? |
| 18:27.36 | Dave | Hey jucs! |
| 18:27.51 | jucs | Hi Dave :-P |
| 18:27.55 | jucs | <- dinner XD |
| 18:29.23 | zogg_ | ShellEvil, how come its not implemented? Short on manpower? |
| 18:29.33 | Dave | :D |
| 18:29.38 | Dave | hungry hungry jucs |
| 18:29.46 | ecraven | i'm not talking about suspend/resume here, i want to use it as a navigation system, i need the screen on all the time |
| 18:29.54 | ShellEvil | zogg_: basically |
| 18:30.18 | Dave | zogg, one person is working on it, and he has "real life issues"... A.K.A. a woman is bitching him around :P |
| 18:30.48 | zogg_ | ;)) thats how it is |
| 18:31.04 | ShellEvil | We need a sponsorship program, where good coders are given replacement OM friendly women :) |
| 18:31.41 | zogg_ | Well, i could give him a hand once the device arrives. |
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| 18:34.13 | phrozen77_ | hmm |
| 18:34.34 | phrozen77_ | where's the kernel dir in 2007.2? /usr/src/ is empty |
| 18:34.41 | phrozen77_ | or do i need to install the source first? |
| 18:35.02 | swc|666 | gl |
| 18:35.08 | Dave | Speedevil :D |
| 18:35.13 | phrozen77_ | stfu swc|666 :P |
| 18:35.21 | swc|666 | lol |
| 18:35.28 | Dave | hahah |
| 18:35.30 | Dave | fight fight fight |
| 18:35.32 | bumbl | quite agressive |
| 18:35.38 | swc|666 | i had to build the kernel to get the source |
| 18:35.44 | phrozen77_ | WAT= |
| 18:35.52 | Dave | Bumble, they almost sound american :) |
| 18:36.02 | Dave | Then again, germans can be quite aggressive :p |
| 18:36.04 | phrozen77_ | ow |
| 18:36.12 | swc|666 | then i built my modules / etc using the location of sources as target |
| 18:36.34 | bumbl | Dave: anyone can be aggressive |
| 18:36.45 | Panathinaikos | that's what the germans say... |
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| 18:37.05 | phrozen77_ | bitchslaps Dave |
| 18:37.18 | Dave | Bumble, heh |
| 18:37.30 | Panathinaikos | phrozen77_: don't act german |
| 18:38.22 | bumbl | hmm Panathinaikos: I might be in brussels next week so :p |
| 18:39.11 | Panathinaikos | wow nice |
| 18:39.11 | Dave | oh snaps :p |
| 18:39.15 | Panathinaikos | what day? |
| 18:40.08 | bumbl | not sure yet |
| 18:40.13 | Kurt_Kestrel | let me know :) |
| 18:40.27 | bumbl | 25km to Denderleeuw |
| 18:40.45 | Kurt_Kestrel | yeah it's not far away (like everything in Belgium :)) |
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| 18:41.57 | Kurt_Kestrel | is it for bussiness or pleasure you're comming to brussels? |
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| 18:42.15 | bumbl | I don't know it yet |
| 18:42.27 | Kurt_Kestrel | aha, I see, you're a secret agent |
| 18:42.32 | Dave | :D |
| 18:42.50 | Kurt_Kestrel | You don't happen to know anyone witha codename of "LAzy Lulu"? or could you run it through the computer at your office? |
| 18:42.51 | Dave | sekret agentz |
| 18:42.56 | Dave | hahaha |
| 18:43.00 | Dave | hides |
| 18:43.10 | Kurt_Kestrel | Don't laugh Dave, I'm trying to save your life |
| 18:43.16 | bumbl | it's a kind of last minute pleasure trip which isn't fixed yet although I just have to do a single click/phone call to fix it |
| 18:43.29 | bumbl | the other option is going to berlin |
| 18:44.10 | Dave | party with jucs! |
| 18:44.20 | Kurt_Kestrel | you're going to miss all the fun dave :) |
| 18:44.25 | ShellEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.27 | Dave | pfft |
| 18:44.28 | Kurt_Kestrel | our beer is better bumbl :) |
| 18:44.49 | phrozen77_ | root@phrozen77-laptop:~/openmoko/qtopia# tar czf qtopia-4.3.2-080808-rootfs-08081019.tar.gz -C /mnt/loop |
| 18:44.49 | phrozen77_ | tar: Anlegen eines leeren Archivs wird feige verweigert. |
| 18:44.51 | phrozen77_ | _lol_ |
| 18:45.03 | lindi- | how about using english? ;) |
| 18:45.13 | Dave | o.O |
| 18:45.14 | phrozen77_ | tell that my system |
| 18:45.22 | Dave | dwaas |
| 18:45.24 | MrTuttle | phrozen77_, it does not want to create an empty archive |
| 18:45.34 | Dave | yeah you're a afool |
| 18:45.44 | Dave | and never told it what to add to the archive |
| 18:45.53 | Dave | :D |
| 18:45.58 | MrTuttle | phrozen77_, but it admits that its behavior is coward |
| 18:46.02 | Dave | tar [options] <archive> <files> |
| 18:46.10 | Dave | hahaaha, yes |
| 18:46.11 | Dave | :P |
| 18:46.16 | Dave | MrTurtle :) |
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| 18:46.36 | phrozen77_ | yeah, thats why i lol_d |
| 18:46.38 | phrozen77_ | lol'd |
| 18:47.00 | MrTuttle | hums the central services song: we do the work, you do the pleasure |
| 18:47.08 | phrozen77_ | was missing a . tho |
| 18:47.12 | Zorkman | googles the song |
| 18:47.20 | phrozen77_ | oh hai Zorkman |
| 18:47.26 | bumbl | Zorkman: not only the beer, the chocolate too |
| 18:47.41 | MrTuttle | Zorkman, Brazil, Terry Gilliam |
| 18:47.48 | Zorkman | the choclate is for you girlfriend/wife :) |
| 18:48.14 | Zorkman | MrTuttle: damn, I still have to see that movie |
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| 18:48.31 | bumbl | Zorkman: currently single |
| 18:48.43 | MrTuttle | Zorkman, some say it is very dark but I think it is really worth watching |
| 18:48.44 | Zorkman | with good choclate you won't be for long ;-) |
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| 18:48.56 | Dave | Zorkman :D |
| 18:49.09 | Zorkman | MrTuttle: I like Terry Gilliam so I want to watch it :) |
| 18:49.14 | Dave | Zorkman, that must be why I have so many "female friends" |
| 18:49.24 | Blalien | I love females |
| 18:49.27 | Dave | Zorkman, I live next to a fancy chocolate factory :p |
| 18:49.28 | MrTuttle | Zorkman, what frightens me is how "up-to-date" the movie is... |
| 18:49.37 | bumbl | :) |
| 18:49.54 | MrTuttle | nowadays with witches^H^H^H^t3rr0r15ts everywhere... |
| 18:50.05 | Dave | TERRORISTS!? |
| 18:50.09 | Dave | Where? :O |
| 18:50.19 | phrozen77_ | hmm |
| 18:50.25 | phrozen77_ | 620kb/s scp over usb |
| 18:50.26 | phrozen77_ | not bad |
| 18:50.39 | paroneayea | Dave: you're looking for terrorists? Is that because you want to join them? you terrorist! |
| 18:50.41 | Zorkman | phrozen77_: wtf??? on the FR?? no way |
| 18:50.48 | phrozen77_ | ic |
| 18:50.50 | Blalien | Lol, we had terrorist yesterday. At least thats what they think/ |
| 18:50.51 | phrozen77_ | dropped to 330 |
| 18:51.01 | Blalien | *terrorists |
| 18:51.08 | phrozen77_ | 400 |
| 18:51.09 | phrozen77_ | hmm |
| 18:51.20 | Dave | they're the ones stealing your bandwidth! |
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| 18:52.08 | Blalien | Yeah Osama did that to me once... |
| 18:52.11 | Zorkman | phrozen77_: kilobyte or kilobits? |
| 18:52.43 | Blalien | Now he's just a lousy actor |
| 18:52.49 | bumbl | Dave: could you explain me why obama elects a man as his vice who looks like he is obama's dad and the one who wears the pants |
| 18:53.20 | Blalien | Because he's gay? |
| 18:53.25 | Blalien | Just kidding |
| 18:53.27 | cjb | bumbl: he could, but it would be offtopic, so let's not. |
| 18:53.54 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 18:54.09 | Veggen | phrozen77: ok. In lack of stability/usability....where is all the *fun* nowadays? ;-) |
| 18:54.10 | Blalien | Hey does anyone know when there will be a stable release for the Neo? |
| 18:54.10 | Dave | better suited for #openmoko-offtopc, probably :) |
| 18:54.11 | Zorkman | yeah, back to the choclate and females topic.. euhm .. |
| 18:54.16 | Dave | zorkman :D |
| 18:54.21 | Dave | cjb, speaking of you! |
| 18:54.33 | Veggen | (which distro) |
| 18:54.43 | Dave | tosses bugreports at cjb |
| 18:54.47 | Blalien | 2008.8 |
| 18:54.48 | bumbl | there is a chan like openmoko offtopic? |
| 18:54.54 | jucs | back ;-) |
| 18:55.04 | Dave | yes |
| 18:55.08 | bumbl | cjb: nearly everything here is offtopic |
| 18:55.12 | Zorkman | off course there is bumbl, that's were we make fun of everyone in here :) |
| 18:55.15 | Blalien | lol |
| 18:55.20 | Dave | Sssh |
| 18:55.25 | Dave | You weren't supposed to tell them that, Zorkman! |
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| 18:55.38 | Blalien | Do me Zorkman! |
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| 18:56.09 | Zorkman | blalien, that sounds a bit gay... :) |
| 18:56.35 | Blalien | Yeah I know... I don think my girlfriend would like that |
| 18:56.38 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 18:56.39 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 18:57.14 | Dave | ja hij blijkt wat nichterig te zijn... |
| 18:57.38 | Blalien | Wie :P? |
| 18:57.53 | Dave | :x |
| 18:58.04 | Dave | :D |
| 18:58.08 | Zorkman | wow, didn't see that Blalien was an Orange dude |
| 18:58.15 | Dave | jajaja :D |
| 18:58.34 | Blalien | ;) heb eht weleens vaker gehoord hoor. Maaaaaar! Ik ben het niet ^^ |
| 18:58.41 | Dave | hehehe |
| 18:58.47 | Dave | goed ;] |
| 18:59.01 | Dave | waar woon je, vriend? :] |
| 18:59.13 | Blalien | In Ewijk. Je weet wel van de files. |
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| 18:59.38 | Blalien | En waar ben jij gevestigt? |
| 19:00.28 | Dave | aaaaaaaah |
| 19:00.34 | Dave | US :P |
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| 19:00.46 | Blalien | OK :P heheh |
| 19:00.51 | Dave | ben een overloper :P |
| 19:01.00 | Blalien | Ow dat geeft niks ;) |
| 19:01.05 | Dave | :P |
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| 19:01.17 | Guilt | Grgrrm |
| 19:01.21 | Dave | hides |
| 19:01.32 | Blalien | Zolang je het maar naar je zin hebt he (Y) |
| 19:01.43 | Blalien | That's all that matters |
| 19:02.03 | AntonTakk | ok, adding buttons to the ui in edje is simple, making them usefull may not be :) |
| 19:02.08 | bumbl | Dutch sounds familiar but I understand hardly anything |
| 19:02.16 | Dave | sure sure :) |
| 19:02.19 | Dave | Blalien :) |
| 19:02.31 | Dave | Antontakk, good luck! :P |
| 19:02.34 | Dave | bumble :) |
| 19:02.45 | Dave | yeah, they take your words, then fuck up the order :) |
| 19:03.00 | bumbl | and stretch them |
| 19:03.04 | Blalien | lol |
| 19:03.08 | Dave | and add more vowels |
| 19:03.16 | Dave | and j's |
| 19:03.36 | AntonTakk | Dave: thanks, now I just need to learn how to use edje text stuffs and sqlite in python |
| 19:03.39 | Zorkman | yeah dutch is very similar to german |
| 19:03.54 | Blalien | Indeed |
| 19:04.01 | bumbl | it's a germanic language |
| 19:04.03 | Dave | yeah :p |
| 19:04.29 | Dave | Danish makes no sense |
| 19:04.35 | Dave | and finnish is just crazy |
| 19:04.40 | Blalien | And Swedish |
| 19:04.40 | Dave | fucking crazy drunkards |
| 19:04.45 | Blalien | knackebröd |
| 19:04.47 | Dave | swedish is just a ripoff of norsk |
| 19:04.48 | Zorkman | we understand german and withouth learning it we can speak something that resembles badly raped german :) |
| 19:05.17 | Dave | Zorkman, like nordmenn speaking "swedish" :P |
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| 19:05.24 | Zorkman | yes indeed |
| 19:05.27 | Dave | it's passable, and you can communicate, but they secretly hate you :) |
| 19:05.36 | Dave | they understand but want to punch you in the face |
| 19:05.36 | Zorkman | I know no nordmenn, only swedes though |
| 19:05.41 | bumbl | Zorkman: believe me, you won't understand that what some of the austrians call german |
| 19:05.42 | Dave | ah okay |
| 19:05.58 | Dave | bumble, that good, huh? :D |
| 19:06.01 | Dave | hehehe :] |
| 19:06.04 | Zorkman | grüss got :) |
| 19:06.04 | Blalien | Yeah and like people from Belgium with there ¨Vlaams¨. It´s just to funny. |
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| 19:06.11 | bumbl | servas |
| 19:06.14 | Dave | hahahaha |
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| 19:06.20 | tuqs | hey, what to remove if "Package distro-feed-configs wants to install file /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf But that file is already provided by package openmoko-feed-configs" distro-feed-configs or openmoko-feed-configs ? :S |
| 19:06.22 | Dave | watch out, you might offend Zorkman :P |
| 19:06.30 | Blalien | (A) |
| 19:06.31 | Dave | geej |
| 19:06.36 | Blalien | O:-) |
| 19:06.41 | Dave | :) |
| 19:06.42 | Zorkman | hehe, we equally lauch with "ollands" :) |
| 19:06.50 | Zorkman | *laugh |
| 19:06.51 | Dave | ouderwetens! |
| 19:06.53 | Blalien | Yeah I know :P |
| 19:07.02 | Dave | hehe |
| 19:07.03 | phrozen77_ | Zorkman, kbyte |
| 19:07.04 | Dave | cute |
| 19:07.07 | Zorkman | And the last names of the dutch men are all fucked up |
| 19:07.09 | Zorkman | "Naaktgeboren" |
| 19:07.22 | Dave | I like my friends names |
| 19:07.24 | Dave | very simple |
| 19:07.27 | Dave | doesn't make your head explode |
| 19:07.45 | Blalien | It´s a good thing I like Urbain Servranckx |
| 19:08.03 | phrozen77_ | smells on himself....waaaaaay better |
| 19:08.05 | Zorkman | too many peple in Holalnd thought NApoleon was joking when he forced them to chose a last name :) |
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| 19:08.31 | Dave | haha :D |
| 19:08.35 | Zorkman | hehe, Urbanus is great :) |
| 19:08.36 | Dave | dwaze :x |
| 19:08.47 | Blalien | He sure is ^ |
| 19:08.50 | Blalien | *^^ |
| 19:08.59 | Dave | ;) |
| 19:10.55 | Zorkman | catch you guys later |
| 19:11.08 | Blalien | Oke, later Zorkman |
| 19:11.28 | Dave | okee, afscheid mijn vriend :] |
| 19:12.22 | Dave | Okay, time to powerup my quadcores |
| 19:12.30 | Blalien | lol |
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| 19:13.48 | phrozen77_ | hm |
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| 19:14.02 | phrozen77_ | when booting qtopia, i get a lot of "splash-write failed" messages... normal? |
| 19:14.09 | Dave | yes |
| 19:14.12 | phrozen77_ | ok |
| 19:14.45 | TAsn | hehe |
| 19:14.52 | TAsn | what does that mean? |
| 19:14.56 | TAsn | spdr_, still here? |
| 19:15.37 | Dave | bye blalien :| |
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| 19:22.37 | phrozen77_ | does suspend work in qtopia? |
| 19:22.51 | WindowsUninstall | does I need to update also the bootloader when I update to the new os? |
| 19:22.58 | *** part/#openmoko Blalien (n=Blalien@ip565b6b3c.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 19:23.01 | phrozen77_ | no |
| 19:24.04 | Dave | no |
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| 19:24.53 | phrozen77_ | no to ...? |
| 19:25.44 | lpotter | suspens works in qtopia.. depending on if the system can suspend |
| 19:26.20 | lpotter | phrozen77_: you get thsoe cause I removed excuse or whatever is the bootsplash |
| 19:27.56 | UndrWater | i haven't seen an image yet where suspend works reliably and as expected |
| 19:28.14 | phrozen77_ | thanks for clarification |
| 19:28.16 | UndrWater | how much of that is userspace? |
| 19:28.31 | Tig| | UndrWater: FSO is getting there but I know what you mean |
| 19:28.44 | lpotter | UndrWater: most |
| 19:28.44 | Dave | Tig! |
| 19:28.49 | Dave | Lpotter |
| 19:29.00 | Dave | When should we expect the next qtopia release? |
| 19:29.07 | Dave | will it bring anything decent to the table? |
| 19:29.13 | lpotter | 4.3.2 very soon. |
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| 19:29.18 | lpotter | within days |
| 19:29.33 | UndrWater | 4.4...anytime now ;) |
| 19:29.44 | UndrWater | (R) |
| 19:29.55 | WindowsUninstall | uhm |
| 19:30.01 | Dave | Lpotter, aren't we already at 4.3.2? |
| 19:30.08 | WindowsUninstall | I'm flashing the rootfs using the daily tar.gz image |
| 19:30.10 | Dave | Lpotter what will it bring with it? :) |
| 19:30.15 | lpotter | hmm well looks like the source is available so I will make a new release today |
| 19:30.18 | WindowsUninstall | does dfu-util reconize the format? |
| 19:30.26 | lpotter | Dave: those were snapshots |
| 19:30.35 | WindowsUninstall | because probably I'm doing something wrong |
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| 19:31.26 | Dave | lpotter, ah, yes |
| 19:31.34 | Dave | lpotter, so this one will be stable? :) |
| 19:31.45 | Dave | lpotter, and the wifi won't blow up the os? |
| 19:31.45 | paroneayea | lpotter: yes!! |
| 19:31.47 | lpotter | heh. no this one will be 4.3.2 release :) |
| 19:31.55 | Dave | I'll submit a bugreport for that |
| 19:32.02 | Dave | It's purely retarded |
| 19:32.06 | Dave | looks like someone just missed it though |
| 19:32.10 | paroneayea | man the gta02 looks so tempting |
| 19:32.11 | lpotter | Dave: anyone can work on wifi in qtopia. as it just calls a script |
| 19:32.12 | Dave | should be a simple fix :) |
| 19:32.15 | paroneayea | all I have is a gta01 |
| 19:32.28 | Dave | Lpotter, I found a bug or two |
| 19:32.28 | paroneayea | maybe I should wait for the gta03 tho |
| 19:32.37 | Dave | I'm using 4.3.2-20080808 |
| 19:32.45 | paroneayea | I'm totally gonna do the GPS bike thing |
| 19:32.46 | phrozen77__ | so am i now |
| 19:32.51 | phrozen77__ | quite like it :) |
| 19:32.56 | Dave | paroneya be careful |
| 19:32.58 | phrozen77__ | so kudos to the devs |
| 19:32.58 | Dave | don't break it |
| 19:33.03 | Dave | you need a GOOD mount |
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| 19:33.19 | phrozen77__ | so that'd be an epic mount then`? |
| 19:33.20 | phrozen77__ | :P |
| 19:33.57 | Dave | oh gawd |
| 19:34.03 | Dave | Where DO you come from, Phrozen? |
| 19:34.16 | phrozen77__ | .de :) |
| 19:34.17 | phrozen77__ | :P |
| 19:34.45 | UndrWater | does the rootfs for the 4.3.2 snapshot come as a tarball? |
| 19:34.57 | phrozen77__ | no its jffs2 |
| 19:35.02 | phrozen77__ | you need to create the tgz |
| 19:35.21 | UndrWater | my problem seems to be extracting from the jffs2 |
| 19:35.28 | UndrWater | but i wanted to test it |
| 19:35.46 | Chox | bitches, Dave |
| 19:35.49 | Chox | bbqs |
| 19:36.01 | Dave | :) |
| 19:36.05 | Dave | You're welcome. |
| 19:36.08 | Dave | Delicious. |
| 19:36.22 | Chox | mmm, pork |
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| 19:36.45 | phrozen77__ | whats the triangle in the top bar in qtopia? |
| 19:36.54 | Chox | Bermuda |
| 19:37.01 | phrozen77__ | thought so |
| 19:38.29 | AntonTakk | phrozen77__: drop down menu |
| 19:38.45 | AntonTakk | and task manager |
| 19:38.57 | Dave | bbq monitor |
| 19:39.00 | phrozen77__ | doesnt do anything when clicked though |
| 19:39.06 | phrozen77__ | wndr why |
| 19:39.09 | Dave | do you have anything running? |
| 19:39.16 | phrozen77__ | duh |
| 19:39.18 | phrozen77__ | :) |
| 19:39.22 | phrozen77__ | goes back to his corner |
| 19:39.25 | AntonTakk | it should pop down with home even if nothing is running |
| 19:39.48 | phrozen77__ | hm, doesnt seem like it does |
| 19:39.49 | Dave | good |
| 19:39.54 | Dave | It doesn't like you. |
| 19:39.59 | Dave | We don't either. |
| 19:40.02 | phrozen77__ | :[ |
| 19:40.05 | phrozen77__ | now has a sad |
| 19:40.06 | AntonTakk | wait |
| 19:40.12 | AntonTakk | qtopia, or asu? |
| 19:40.18 | Dave | haha |
| 19:40.18 | phrozen77__ | qtopia |
| 19:40.26 | AntonTakk | oh, nfc then |
| 19:40.45 | jucs | Intel is trying to get into the mobil phone's market... |
| 19:40.45 | AntonTakk | thought you were talking about illume in asu |
| 19:40.50 | jucs | +e* |
| 19:41.09 | Dave | good for them |
| 19:41.20 | Dave | jucs, and what are you trying to do? :) |
| 19:41.27 | jucs | So maybe we'll sometime have an Atom inside the GTAXX :-P |
| 19:41.31 | AntonTakk | yeah, let me know when they can actually compete with arm on power consumption |
| 19:41.56 | AntonTakk | with comparable feature set |
| 19:42.00 | UndrWater | does anyone like the qtopia calendar? |
| 19:42.12 | jucs | I think that's what they are trying to do by facturing in 32nm in 2009... |
| 19:42.22 | UndrWater | looks pretty...but i'd like a weed view..or even better...a work week view! |
| 19:42.24 | AntonTakk | pfft |
| 19:42.37 | UndrWater | hmmm...weed view |
| 19:42.41 | AntonTakk | UndrWater: mmmmmm, weed view :) |
| 19:42.56 | UndrWater | interesting slip |
| 19:43.09 | AntonTakk | connects directly to your web cam so you can monitor conditions? |
| 19:44.15 | zogs | how can I install pidgin on om2008> |
| 19:44.18 | zogs | ? |
| 19:44.46 | jucs | Anyway, x86 would be nice :-P |
| 19:44.46 | phrozen77__ | mhhm |
| 19:45.04 | phrozen77__ | i second UndrWaters notion |
| 19:45.11 | jucs | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?name=pidgin&arch=&action=search |
| 19:45.16 | jucs | @zogs |
| 19:45.23 | UndrWater | what jucs said |
| 19:45.45 | UndrWater | get that all installed and nice...then flash a new image tomorrow :P |
| 19:45.51 | zogs | I have try with angstrom repo but give me error |
| 19:46.02 | jucs | But the version in there is quite old - ICQ won't work at all and XMPP (Jabber) will crash pidgin with some providers... |
| 19:46.04 | UndrWater | what eror? |
| 19:46.06 | AntonTakk | personally, i think a gtaxx device with a few buttons and a slide out kb would be sweet |
| 19:46.10 | Dave | jucs said stuff? |
| 19:46.15 | Dave | :D |
| 19:46.18 | jucs | hm? |
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| 19:46.21 | *** part/#openmoko swc|666 (n=swc|666@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 19:46.23 | AntonTakk | could actually to development on the phone with no desktop :) |
| 19:46.25 | zogs | Configuring libstartup-notification-1-0 |
| 19:46.25 | zogs | Collected errors: |
| 19:46.25 | zogs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.25 | zogs | But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling |
| 19:46.25 | zogs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.26 | zogs | But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling |
| 19:46.28 | zogs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.30 | zogs | and other |
| 19:46.47 | Dave | uggh |
| 19:47.02 | Dave | thanks for that, zogs |
| 19:47.12 | jucs | AntonTakk: My most desired feature is the ability to make calls... which is still impossible... |
| 19:47.22 | UndrWater | zogs: please use pastebin for multi-line postings |
| 19:47.28 | zogs | ooops sorry |
| 19:47.32 | jucs | No - don't say that's not true; it is... |
| 19:47.34 | AntonTakk | jucs: i have made and received many calls with my fr |
| 19:47.43 | Dave | :P |
| 19:47.48 | tg | hai |
| 19:47.54 | UndrWater | zogs: opkg install pidgin -nodeps |
| 19:48.03 | AntonTakk | jucs: on three diferent stacks |
| 19:48.11 | zogs | UndrWater: I try like this |
| 19:48.16 | jucs | AntonTakk: All my problems are in the wiki... there's a buzzing noise and an echo - not usable at all... |
| 19:48.40 | UndrWater | mine sounds great...i'm sorry to hear that |
| 19:48.43 | AntonTakk | see, at worst the buzzing has been minimal here, and never an echo |
| 19:48.48 | Dave | Mine is fine |
| 19:48.49 | Bill_ | jucs echo isn't a problem really.. you just have to work out your alsa state... |
| 19:48.53 | jucs | And as far as the bug reports say it's a hardware issue that migh probably not software-solveable... |
| 19:48.56 | Dave | it just blows up nearby electronic devices, occasionaly |
| 19:48.57 | jucs | No. |
| 19:48.58 | UndrWater | better sound quality than my treo...and others think so too |
| 19:49.03 | jucs | Let me get the link... |
| 19:49.16 | Bill_ | but buzzing is hardware issue |
| 19:49.22 | jucs | I've tried every state and it's not true... |
| 19:49.26 | phrozen77__ | hm |
| 19:49.29 | phrozen77__ | no echoes |
| 19:49.30 | WindowsUninstall | os 2008.8 bootscreen is the worst of ever |
| 19:49.34 | phrozen77__ | but i noticed buzzing calling |
| 19:49.39 | phrozen77__ | WindowsUninstall, indeed |
| 19:49.44 | AntonTakk | WindowsUninstall: the boots? |
| 19:49.47 | UndrWater | jucs: get your RMA for a warranty return |
| 19:49.50 | WindowsUninstall | I see a green progressbar over 2 pair of black boots |
| 19:50.08 | WindowsUninstall | I mean 2 pair of black leather boots |
| 19:50.08 | UndrWater | WindowsUninstall: it's cute and funny |
| 19:50.10 | jucs | UndrWater: The wiki says it just the same on all phones... |
| 19:50.11 | WindowsUninstall | s/2/1/ |
| 19:50.12 | AntonTakk | WindowsUninstall: what's wrong with boots? i thought it was rather amusing |
| 19:50.17 | UndrWater | WindowsUninstall: your grandmother will love it |
| 19:50.33 | WindowsUninstall | is the main developer involved somehow into BDSM? |
| 19:50.33 | jucs | And I've got 2 here, a friend also ordered... |
| 19:50.37 | WindowsUninstall | or something similiar? |
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| 19:50.59 | AntonTakk | WindowsUninstall: what does it matter? they are just a pair of boots |
| 19:51.00 | UndrWater | WindowsUninstall: no whips that i can see |
| 19:51.07 | UndrWater | or chains |
| 19:51.08 | zogs | and for minimo ? how make it? |
| 19:51.17 | WindowsUninstall | AntonTakk, it's just ugly :P |
| 19:51.22 | AntonTakk | pfft |
| 19:51.34 | zogs | UndrWater: with -nodeps work, thanks |
| 19:51.38 | jucs | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267 <- here |
| 19:51.38 | Bill_ | pfft indeed,, boots rock :P |
| 19:51.40 | UndrWater | zogs: np |
| 19:51.44 | AntonTakk | like turning on your phone to see the windows mobile logo is a pleasant experience |
| 19:51.49 | jucs | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/883 <- here |
| 19:51.50 | phrozen77__ | lol |
| 19:52.05 | WindowsUninstall | my PIN is a number |
| 19:52.10 | WindowsUninstall | how can I type it? |
| 19:52.11 | WindowsUninstall | o.O |
| 19:52.12 | UndrWater | WindowsUninstall: you can pimp your boot screen |
| 19:52.14 | jucs | And so on.... noone says it's possible to eliminate that... |
| 19:52.23 | AntonTakk | i mean, if it was me, i'd move the progress bar under the boots, and not make it green, but that's just me |
| 19:52.40 | UndrWater | doesn't like the green either |
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| 19:52.49 | Dave | jucs, see joerg's recent post on the hw ml |
| 19:52.54 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.54 | Dave | I believe |
| 19:53.00 | SpeedEvil | + |
| 19:53.01 | Dave | Evil :) |
| 19:53.05 | AntonTakk | hehe |
| 19:53.10 | WindowsUninstall | how can I type my PIN number? o.O |
| 19:53.18 | jucs | Have you got a link? |
| 19:53.24 | jucs | @Dave |
| 19:53.32 | SpeedEvil | If that is 'recent' as in a couple of days - there is a fix - but it's absolutely not a working mod yet. |
| 19:53.35 | AntonTakk | UndrWater: i think a nice Sun Microsystems purple would fit well :) |
| 19:53.36 | zogs | WindowsUninstall: TOPIC |
| 19:53.47 | WindowsUninstall | zogs, ooops |
| 19:53.48 | WindowsUninstall | sorry |
| 19:54.02 | zogs | Configuring libstartup-notification-1-0 |
| 19:54.02 | zogs | Collected errors: |
| 19:54.02 | zogs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.02 | zogs | But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling |
| 19:54.02 | zogs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.03 | zogs | But that file is already provided by package * gtk+-fastscaling |
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| 19:54.07 | zogs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.08 | jucs | WindowsUninstall: Try sliding with your finger... |
| 19:54.09 | zogs | fuck |
| 19:54.13 | zogs | Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
| 19:54.18 | Dave | :) |
| 19:54.23 | Dave | hehe |
| 19:54.26 | Dave | silliness |
| 19:54.42 | AntonTakk | i like that |
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| 19:55.12 | AntonTakk | "type your PIN:" *up pops a text only keyboard* |
| 19:55.16 | AntonTakk | :-\ |
| 19:56.12 | phrozen77__ | yeah |
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| 19:56.19 | phrozen77__ | i also was like wtf when i saw that first |
| 19:56.20 | bumbl | use the down to up gesture |
| 19:56.34 | bumbl | i think it is useful |
| 19:56.40 | bumbl | it keeps the idiots out |
| 19:57.42 | AntonTakk | bumbl: require a 45x repeat of the forward-back gesture ;) |
| 19:57.47 | Dave | guesstures? |
| 19:59.04 | Dave | holy exploding emulators batman! |
| 19:59.16 | bumbl | worked for me the first time |
| 19:59.32 | UndrWater | looks good on the train? |
| 19:59.54 | bumbl | but i don't like asu as it is shipped now |
| 19:59.57 | UndrWater | AntonTakk: that's all it takes? :P |
| 20:00.01 | phrozen77__ | bumbl, who does? |
| 20:00.12 | bumbl | steve |
| 20:00.14 | bumbl | sean |
| 20:00.29 | bumbl | the om design department |
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| 20:03.09 | paroneayea | AntonTakk: hehe, yeah my g/f and I watched that video and dubbed that the "Fap" gesture |
| 20:04.24 | Dave | design dept == FAIL |
| 20:04.32 | Dave | they appear to be quite failicious |
| 20:04.59 | UndrWater | Dave: anything like bootylicious? |
| 20:05.37 | Dave | No, unfortunately, not. |
| 20:07.01 | Tig| | hmm the fap gesture could be useful, everyone knows someone who is a pain in the arse to talk to but you hae to keep their number in your phone for caller id reasons... well if you need to talk to them press dial then make an exagerated wanker gesture with your phone and get connected :) |
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| 20:10.08 | UndrWater | welcome back |
| 20:10.12 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 20:10.13 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 20:10.32 | UndrWater | ? |
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| 20:11.41 | Tig| | apt ? |
| 20:11.52 | phrozen77__ | ~_~ |
| 20:11.53 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 20:12.10 | Tig| | ~_~ |
| 20:12.11 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 20:12.15 | Tig| | aha! |
| 20:12.55 | Tig| | If I was cruel I would suggest all doing it together so he floods off the channel :) |
| 20:13.08 | almien | "please do not press this button again" |
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| 20:13.21 | Tig| | almien: exactly :) |
| 20:13.25 | UndrWater | ~_~ |
| 20:13.25 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 20:13.44 | UndrWater | O_O |
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| 20:14.06 | Tig| | hmm does it just check the beginning of the line ~_~ or is it scanning everything? |
| 20:14.09 | UndrWater | one, two, three! |
| 20:14.13 | UndrWater | ~ |
| 20:14.18 | UndrWater | ~_ |
| 20:14.19 | apt | from memory, _ is ALT-255 |
| 20:14.19 | Tig| | ~_~ |
| 20:14.20 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 20:14.32 | UndrWater | ahh |
| 20:14.34 | Dave | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 20:14.35 | UndrWater | ~_ |
| 20:14.36 | apt | _ is, like, ALT-255 |
| 20:14.37 | mmontour | ~fish UndrWater |
| 20:14.37 | apt | ACTION slaps UndrWater around with a large trout |
| 20:14.47 | Dave | ~trout underwater |
| 20:14.47 | apt | ACTION slaps underwater around a bit with a large trout! |
| 20:14.51 | UndrWater | whee... |
| 20:15.02 | UndrWater | ~moko Dave |
| 20:15.02 | Tig| | ooo what else |
| 20:15.06 | Dave | apt tell undrwater about bqs |
| 20:15.17 | mmontour | ~rape Tig| |
| 20:15.17 | apt | ACTION takes Tig| behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 20:15.24 | Tig| | Oi! |
| 20:15.36 | UndrWater | ~( |
| 20:15.37 | apt | well, ( is feeling blue |
| 20:15.38 | mmontour | now quit abusing the bots :) |
| 20:15.47 | Tig| | apt~get install sillyness :P |
| 20:15.54 | Ganneff | now. stop. |
| 20:16.07 | Dave | apt: BQS |
| 20:16.08 | apt | it has been said that bqs is Bot Query Syndrome -- If you're primarily talking to bots, you have it! |
| 20:16.17 | Dave | apt: botsnack |
| 20:16.17 | apt | Dave: aw, gee |
| 20:16.20 | Dave | :) |
| 20:16.32 | UndrWater | did someone ask the parents to come in? |
| 20:16.45 | Dave | Who are you referring to? |
| 20:16.54 | UndrWater | Ganneff: |
| 20:17.46 | Gromgull | in om2008.8 - i can't dial - it complains of no network. How can I check if it finds the sim card/gets a connection? |
| 20:19.32 | *** part/#openmoko El_Senator (n=El_Senat@0x4dd4371c.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 20:19.49 | Gromgull | I've installed a bunch of openmoko-panel-X packages, and now I have lots of icons at the top - but they don't seem to do much |
| 20:21.06 | UndrWater | Gromgull: i think your network should be labelled on the dialer page |
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| 20:21.44 | WindowsUninstall | I can't understand how to resume my phone from suspend |
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| 20:22.03 | Dave | Needs more megahurtz. |
| 20:22.20 | mmontour | Gromgull: I don't know about 2008.8. In 2007.2 or FSO you can use libgsmd-tool or mickeyterm to send AT commands directly to the modem (AT+CFUN=1, AT+COPS, etc) |
| 20:23.06 | jucs | 350 Upgraded packages since yesterday! Gosh! |
| 20:23.27 | viq | Does the FreeRunner pidgin have support for SILC protocol? |
| 20:23.40 | Daenyth | pidgin? |
| 20:23.42 | Daenyth | :O |
| 20:23.47 | Dave | yes |
| 20:23.51 | Dave | it works fine too |
| 20:23.52 | jucs | If only it had proper support for ICQ and XMPP/Jabber... |
| 20:23.59 | Dave | yeah, well |
| 20:24.02 | Dave | aww shit |
| 20:24.02 | Daenyth | I have returned :D |
| 20:24.04 | Dave | there goes my glamo again |
| 20:24.09 | Dave | daenyth, nice |
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| 20:25.02 | Daenyth | so, moko pidgin? |
| 20:25.10 | Daenyth | what's the package name, `pidgin' gives me an error |
| 20:25.19 | Zorkman | Daenyth: it's in the rabenfrost feeds |
| 20:25.22 | viq | jucs: what's with XMPP in pidgin? |
| 20:25.29 | Daenyth | Zorkman: eh? |
| 20:25.33 | jucs | Daenyth: You need to install it from the angstrom repository... |
| 20:25.48 | jucs | viq: Pidgin crashes while logging in...- |
| 20:25.54 | Zorkman | http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ |
| 20:26.13 | viq | jucs: hm, interesting |
| 20:26.21 | Zorkman | Daenyth: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories#celtune |
| 20:26.22 | jucs | viq: I know it depends on my XMPP-Server, but it works fine with the most recent version of pidgin... |
| 20:26.31 | Dave | :) |
| 20:26.54 | Dave | jucs, how about you ACTUALLY take the time to install ALL it's libraries? |
| 20:26.55 | jucs | viq: Unfortunately I don't know where to get the most recent version from for the freerunner... |
| 20:26.55 | UndrWater | are celtune and angstrom versions same? |
| 20:27.02 | Dave | and components |
| 20:27.16 | jucs | Dave: Which one should be missing? |
| 20:27.21 | Dave | I'm using celtune's version, it works fine. |
| 20:27.22 | viq | jucs: 2.4.3 is the most recent one I heard of |
| 20:27.27 | Dave | Install EVERYTHING |
| 20:27.37 | bricode | just spent far too long on a u-boot env syntax bug. Ugh! |
| 20:27.44 | Dave | hehe |
| 20:27.51 | Dave | so that's where you disappeared off ot :) |
| 20:27.53 | Dave | to |
| 20:28.31 | bricode | Dave: Yeah, apparently "roofstype" is *correct* and "rootfstype" isn't for my uboot 1.3.2 . |
| 20:28.44 | jucs | viq: It works fine with Pidgin 2.4.1, too... |
| 20:28.59 | jucs | But the from the angstrom-repo is too old :-P |
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| 20:29.13 | viq | heh |
| 20:29.16 | Daenyth | bricode: well duh, you have to put the roof on or your memory will leak... |
| 20:29.23 | Daenyth | >_> |
| 20:29.27 | viq | Hm, another question - what about kismet or equivalent on FR? ;) |
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| 20:29.40 | Daenyth | viq++, I am interested also |
| 20:29.51 | Daenyth | except aircrack-ng is infinitely better than kismet :P |
| 20:29.53 | bricode | off to install Debian. |
| 20:30.10 | Wonka | kismet and aircrack-ng are for different things, IMO |
| 20:30.16 | Daenyth | does the NIC support monitor mode and packet injection? |
| 20:30.30 | Mononoke | nope... |
| 20:30.38 | Daenyth | sucky |
| 20:30.38 | Dave | heh |
| 20:30.41 | Dave | VIM!? |
| 20:30.45 | Wonka | kismet is very fine for driving along and finding WLANs, aircrack-ng is fine for cracking one particular WEP WAP |
| 20:30.52 | Daenyth | fair enough |
| 20:30.53 | Dave | daenyth, no it does not |
| 20:31.04 | Dave | not yet, anyway :P |
| 20:31.10 | Daenyth | like the rest of the FR :P |
| 20:31.14 | UndrWater | kismet not on angstrom? |
| 20:31.27 | Dave | :D |
| 20:31.37 | UndrWater | i would expect it to be |
| 20:31.43 | Tig| | Wonka: erm cracks WAP ? really? |
| 20:32.08 | Wonka | Tig|: aircrack-ng cracks WEP |
| 20:32.14 | UndrWater | right |
| 20:32.26 | UndrWater | WAP: wireless access point ;) :P |
| 20:32.52 | paroneayea | Tig|: you may have been thinking WPA |
| 20:33.04 | Dave | yes please |
| 20:33.16 | mmontour | bricode: roo[t]fstype is interpreted by the kernel, not u-boot. |
| 20:33.33 | Tig| | paroneayea: arse :) yes sorry just skim read something without engadging my brain :) |
| 20:34.22 | bricode | mmontour: very true |
| 20:34.23 | Tig| | lI was thinking WPA |
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| 20:34.26 | Dave | Mmontour! |
| 20:34.47 | jucs | Dave? |
| 20:34.49 | bricode | mmontour: Guess I'll have to track down what kernel that is and make sure it gets fixed. |
| 20:34.53 | jucs | opkg install pidgin-plugin-cap pidgin-plugin-convcolors pidgin-plugin-extplacement pidgin-plugin-gestures pidgin-plugin-gtkbuddynote pidgin-plugin-iconaway pidgin-plugin-markerline pidgin-plugin-musicmessaging pidgin-plugin-notify pidgin-plugin-relnot pidgin-plugin-sendbutton pidgin-plugin-spellchk pidgin-plugin-xmppconsole libpurple-libjabber libpurple-liboscar libpurple-logreader libpurple-plugin-autoaccept libpurple-plugin-buddynote libpurple-p |
| 20:34.58 | mmontour | bricode: IIRC the kernel will auto-detect an ext2/ext3 fs from the SD card, but has to be told explicitly to use jffs2 for NAND |
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| 20:35.01 | jucs | You really mean this should help? |
| 20:35.19 | Dave | YES |
| 20:35.34 | Dave | AHVERYSING |
| 20:35.41 | jucs | uhm... |
| 20:35.51 | paroneayea | jucs: do you find that pidgin works nicely on here? |
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| 20:36.14 | jucs | paroneayea: No, not yet.... ICQ is broken and XMPP too... |
| 20:36.15 | paroneayea | I'm thinking of making a jabber bot so I can ping back and forth between my apartment server and home using my phone |
| 20:36.27 | paroneayea | ah |
| 20:38.04 | Daenyth | paroneayea: psh |
| 20:38.08 | phrozen77__ | noms on his cheezburgar |
| 20:38.09 | Daenyth | ssh + screen + irssi + bitlbee |
| 20:38.10 | Daenyth | noooob |
| 20:38.11 | phrozen77__ | nomnomnom |
| 20:38.23 | Daenyth | noms on his.. race cake with peanut butter |
| 20:38.24 | Daenyth | :< |
| 20:38.45 | AntonTakk | race cake?, never heard of those |
| 20:38.50 | Wonka | i'd like an automatic reply to short messages from a defined number containing the current GPS position |
| 20:38.54 | Zorkman | rice cake probably |
| 20:39.11 | zash | Wonka: me too |
| 20:39.33 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: oh, yeah, most likely, doesn't mean i can't give him crap for it ;) |
| 20:39.45 | Wonka | maybe even do different things depending on content of the message |
| 20:40.14 | Veggen | Wonka: Hmm. I could use that. |
| 20:40.36 | AntonTakk | the question is how to trigger it |
| 20:40.45 | AntonTakk | sim change? |
| 20:41.12 | paroneayea | Daenyth: half of the advantage of the Jabber bot is to ask my IP so I know what to ssh to :) |
| 20:41.16 | paroneayea | so that wouldn't work |
| 20:41.24 | Daenyth | paroneayea: dyndns! |
| 20:41.27 | jucs | paroneayea: XMPP at least works with some servers^^ |
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| 20:41.30 | Wonka | hm, i said "automatic reply to short messages from a defined number"... |
| 20:41.45 | jucs | Dave: I'm not sure about this method.... my poor memory... |
| 20:41.48 | Wonka | on sim change, an automatic outgoing short message to that number would be fine too |
| 20:41.58 | ieatlint | anyone here ever work with libsoup? |
| 20:42.10 | Daenyth | I had some miso soup today if that helps |
| 20:42.21 | Wonka | i'd rather have libpizza |
| 20:42.22 | ieatlint | i either found a bug, or i'm somehow missing something |
| 20:42.32 | Daenyth | probably both! |
| 20:42.40 | ieatlint | gee, thanks :P |
| 20:42.41 | Daenyth | :D |
| 20:42.49 | Daenyth | always happy to help |
| 20:43.05 | paroneayea | Daenyth: yeah, I should probably look into dyndns |
| 20:43.30 | paroneayea | even so |
| 20:43.31 | Daenyth | paroneayea: actually I like no-ip.org better |
| 20:43.52 | Daenyth | better linux updater |
| 20:44.18 | paroneayea | even so, I would just like to have a bot that I can message |
| 20:44.43 | Zorkman | is there anyone who gets "sane" altitude outputs from GPS? |
| 20:44.56 | paroneayea | butler@dustycloud.org: Your IP address is 123.45.67.123, sir. |
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| 20:45.16 | paroneayea | butler@dustycloud.org: The temperature in your apartment is currently 83 degrees. A tad warm, I should say! |
| 20:45.16 | Daenyth | paroneayea: just get on irc and /whois your home nick :P |
| 20:45.20 | paroneayea | ;p |
| 20:45.21 | Daenyth | since freenode doesn't mask |
| 20:45.32 | paroneayea | actually |
| 20:45.35 | paroneayea | I have a mask ;) |
| 20:45.39 | Daenyth | well |
| 20:45.40 | Daenyth | psh |
| 20:45.43 | Daenyth | pshaw |
| 20:45.45 | Daenyth | hrmf |
| 20:45.47 | paroneayea | oh wait, I need to identify |
| 20:45.51 | Daenyth | dances on paroneayea's face |
| 20:46.19 | paroneayea | there we go, masked :) |
| 20:47.08 | Dave | :D |
| 20:48.01 | Dave | jucs, how goes? |
| 20:48.01 | nyu | bricode: are you sure? got one of those too, and they're awfuly slow. I think it's the equiv of a 486 with a few 586 instructions and minimal L2 cache |
| 20:48.01 | Zorkman | Dave: have you checked tangogps friends today??? |
| 20:48.09 | jucs | Dave: I'm still not sure, so many packages... |
| 20:48.19 | jucs | I mean, I don't know what I need them for... |
| 20:48.31 | jucs | I've installed thos belonging to XMPP... |
| 20:48.32 | Daenyth | fucking wine appdb |
| 20:48.48 | jucs | those* |
| 20:48.51 | Daenyth | you would think they would be smart enough to not send me an email notification when _I_ post something to a watched topic |
| 20:49.19 | Zorkman | Dave: it seems like your arch nemesis can run freaking fast |
| 20:49.27 | Daenyth | mm |
| 20:49.29 | Daenyth | trem time |
| 20:49.57 | bricode | nyu: I'm sure that the LX version of the Geode had a floating point and SSE instructions. |
| 20:50.16 | bricode | nyu: We used to sell a thin client that was very similar to the guts of an OLPC. |
| 20:51.10 | WindowsUninstall | how to hardreset my device? |
| 20:51.13 | nyu | bricode: whatever it has, it feels slow ;-) |
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| 20:51.15 | bricode | nyu: I sat down with Jim Getty's about 2 years ago and he detailed why they chose the Geode as their processor. |
| 20:51.17 | WindowsUninstall | I can't resume it from suspend |
| 20:51.18 | Dave | :O |
| 20:51.25 | Dave | WHERE!? |
| 20:51.28 | wurp2|working | WindowsUninstall: Yank the battery |
| 20:51.38 | mmontour | WindowsUninstall: unplug usb, remove battery, wait a few seconds |
| 20:51.42 | Dave | Zorkman, oh about lll being down south? |
| 20:51.48 | UndrWater | WindowsUninstall: suspend works fine....resume is quite another thing.... |
| 20:52.08 | paroneayea | I've been thinking of getting a GPS for my Eee PC (I don't have a gps in my 1973 ;p), but I don't know what hardware is good |
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| 20:52.37 | WindowsUninstall | UndrWater, so what I should do? |
| 20:52.38 | Zorkman | Dave: check the times |
| 20:52.53 | Zorkman | only 5min interval |
| 20:52.54 | Dave | huh? |
| 20:52.55 | WindowsUninstall | UndrWater, disabling suspend or to go back to OS 2007.2? |
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| 20:52.58 | Dave | Where'd they go? |
| 20:53.00 | Dave | :O |
| 20:53.03 | Zorkman | that means she could be in 5minutes right behind your back |
| 20:53.08 | Dave | o_o |
| 20:53.12 | Dave | WHERE!? |
| 20:53.18 | Zorkman | tangogps, friends, |
| 20:53.19 | Dave | (my freerunner is presently preoccupied) |
| 20:53.21 | Sargun | Do you guys know of any US GSM providers that issue femtocells? |
| 20:53.21 | Zorkman | she's south of you |
| 20:53.34 | Dave | Sargun - heh |
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| 20:53.37 | Dave | Good luck ;) |
| 20:53.46 | Zorkman | she has moved the distance it would take her to get to you (probably a test) and she did it in 5 minutes! |
| 20:53.51 | Wonka | femtocells? even smaller than picocells? |
| 20:54.00 | Dave | I should go after them!? |
| 20:54.09 | Zorkman | are you cazy? you're not prepared |
| 20:54.20 | Dave | readies his elephant gun |
| 20:54.30 | Zorkman | lock your doors at night dave... |
| 20:54.35 | Dave | nevar |
| 20:54.39 | Zorkman | maybe secret agent bumbl can help.... |
| 20:54.40 | ShellEvil | femtocells are for when you really need coverage in womens bathrooms. |
| 20:54.51 | Dave | ;p |
| 20:55.16 | Dave | But I thought he's going to brussels |
| 20:55.52 | Zorkman | maybe to take a plane? or maybe it's code-talk, and I4m also a secret agent, without knowing it myself (yeah, that secret!) |
| 20:56.01 | Dave | :o |
| 20:56.07 | Dave | closes his front door :o |
| 20:56.52 | Zorkman | I like ShellEvil more when he was fast... |
| 20:56.56 | Zorkman | *liked |
| 20:57.13 | Zorkman | he's losing his edge |
| 20:57.30 | SpeedEvil | sets Zorkman on fire. |
| 20:57.38 | Zorkman | that's more like it! |
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| 20:59.31 | Zorkman | on the FR: does having 95% disk usage slow down the phone? |
| 21:00.18 | UndrWater | nand? |
| 21:00.29 | Zorkman | yeah, the rootfs |
| 21:00.49 | SpeedEvil | Shouldn't. |
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| 21:01.04 | phrozen77__ | is anyone familiar with the debian installerscript? |
| 21:01.09 | SpeedEvil | The NAND does not have seek delays like a normal disk. |
| 21:01.10 | Dave | :D |
| 21:01.15 | Dave | speedy :) |
| 21:01.32 | Zorkman | thx |
| 21:01.36 | UndrWater | no spinning disks or arms |
| 21:01.39 | lindi- | phrozen77__: you would have read it by now ;) |
| 21:01.56 | cjb | Zorkman: could do, if jffs2 compression is turned on. |
| 21:01.57 | phrozen77__ | lol |
| 21:02.15 | cjb | there are many more variables than just seek time. |
| 21:02.33 | UndrWater | cjb: but just usage? |
| 21:02.40 | UndrWater | cjb: everything else being equal |
| 21:02.55 | phrozen77__ | spanks lindi- |
| 21:02.55 | phrozen77__ | :) |
| 21:03.03 | cjb | UndrWater: if you're reading compressed jffs2, you're using CPU by compressing data bdfore writing it. |
| 21:03.14 | cjb | uh, uncompressing before reading. |
| 21:03.20 | cjb | UndrWater: if you're writing compressed jffs2, you're using CPU by compressing data bdfore writing it. |
| 21:03.26 | UndrWater | i should clarify usage % |
| 21:03.30 | cjb | so, "just disk usage" doesn't make any sense. |
| 21:03.34 | gamin | Zorkman: would it be a nioce feature to message friends on tangogps? |
| 21:03.48 | Zorkman | gamin: I already mailed marcus bauer about it |
| 21:03.53 | Zorkman | he was positive about it |
| 21:04.00 | cjb | why not just find out by looking at how idle the CPU is during your disk usage? |
| 21:04.02 | UndrWater | in otherwords...if i've got 90% of nand filled as opposed to 40% |
| 21:04.09 | cjb | *oh* |
| 21:04.13 | cjb | that's very different. |
| 21:04.21 | cjb | yes, that's usually slower on jffs2, especially when writing. |
| 21:04.29 | gamin | Zorkman: oh cool. I heard it is already working in some secret code ;-) |
| 21:04.40 | Zorkman | damn, didn't hear that |
| 21:04.49 | gamin | Zorkman: rumors... |
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| 21:05.44 | gamin | Zorkman: well, I had a chance to talk to that guy... ;) |
| 21:05.58 | Zorkman | gamin: I also asked about the ability to import gps track logs, he's also working on that one |
| 21:06.21 | Zorkman | he mailed me that there was a category for geocaching, but I can't figure out what he meant |
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| 21:06.32 | Zorkman | "You can do that already: there is a category for geochaching(sports->geocache). Insert your caches there and then simply click onthe yellow POI star and use the goto button." |
| 21:06.57 | mia33 | lookin to buy cc #s |
| 21:07.13 | gamin | Zorkman: when you add a poi, choose sports, then sub-cat geocache. |
| 21:08.04 | gamin | Zorkman: if you display the the poi_s, you can click on them and in the pop-up click 'go-to' |
| 21:08.04 | Zorkman | yeah, but I asked him about adding it with the GPS coordinates, not with clicking on the map |
| 21:08.16 | UndrWater | are you using tangogps with 2008.8? |
| 21:08.29 | Zorkman | oh, my bad, it works :) |
| 21:08.35 | gamin | Zorkman: lol |
| 21:08.40 | Zorkman | UndrWater: I use it wiht 2007.2 and 2008.8 |
| 21:09.04 | gamin | UndrWater: I heard about probs with the latest 2008 |
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| 21:09.21 | Zorkman | gamin, UndrWater: you just have to edit the gtk config |
| 21:09.33 | gamin | UndrWater: 2007 works w/o probs |
| 21:09.42 | UndrWater | Zorkman: i can't seem to get a fix w/ 08...even when agpsui has a fix |
| 21:10.11 | UndrWater | Zorkman: i've done the gtk fix...makes it purtier...but doesn't help it get a fix ;) |
| 21:10.15 | gamin | UndrWater: are you using the original tangogps or that fso thingy? |
| 21:10.26 | UndrWater | gamin: original |
| 21:10.59 | gamin | UndrWater: and your /etc/defaults/gpsd is pointing to /dev/ttySA1? |
| 21:11.00 | Zorkman | UndrWater: can you get a fix with openmoko-agpsui? |
| 21:11.10 | UndrWater | thinks of returning to 2007, cause he was having more fun then...except for the keyboard |
| 21:11.27 | UndrWater | Zorkman: gamin: yes to ya both! |
| 21:11.31 | gamin | UndrWater: there is a nice keyboard for 2007.2 |
| 21:11.37 | TAsn | have anyone edited fstab and added the sd card to mount as home? |
| 21:11.39 | UndrWater | gamin: no...ttySA0 |
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| 21:11.51 | Zorkman | :) |
| 21:12.03 | UndrWater | gamin: what's it called? |
| 21:12.13 | gamin | UndrWater: GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1" |
| 21:12.24 | UndrWater | gamin: i'll try that then ;) |
| 21:12.48 | UndrWater | what's the good KB for 2007? not the matchbox one? |
| 21:13.08 | UndrWater | wish raster's kb would work in 2007...but i know that's a pipe dream |
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| 21:13.36 | Zorkman | I have a modified matchbox one with larger buttons |
| 21:13.47 | Zorkman | but I lack some characters like "%" |
| 21:14.23 | gamin | UndrWater: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ <- xkdb keyboard |
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| 21:14.47 | paroneayea | has anyone been able to *make calls* with the debian install? |
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| 21:16.13 | gamin | UndrWater: but you need an applet for activating xkbd. it doesn't come up by itself. |
| 21:16.26 | Zorkman | gamin: what is "Mult" :) |
| 21:16.56 | gamin | Zorkman: I have no fscking idea ;-) |
| 21:17.17 | Zorkman | can you use that keyboard with your fingers? |
| 21:17.42 | gamin | Zorkman: barley. only in emergency |
| 21:17.44 | paroneayea | oh |
| 21:17.49 | paroneayea | I see that one can |
| 21:17.50 | paroneayea | sweet |
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| 21:18.29 | gamin | is there a version of alien to convert ipk into deb for the debian install? |
| 21:18.51 | gamin | or can debian eat .ipk? |
| 21:18.55 | UndrWater | gamin: which applet? |
| 21:19.12 | gamin | UndrWater: I wrote it myself |
| 21:19.29 | WindowsUninstall | what about backspace? |
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| 21:19.47 | JadeFalcon | does someone knows a way to change the location where qtopia stores his qtopia_db.sqlite file? It seams like this file is always stored on the first partition of the media card.. and this is my boot partition |
| 21:20.34 | JadeFalcon | i hope this isn't hardcoded |
| 21:20.46 | gamin | WindowsUninstall: backspace is there. and you have a ctrl key. ever wondered why on slashdot people write ^W or ^H ? ;-))) |
| 21:21.23 | gamin | UndrWater: see again on scap.linuxtogo.org |
| 21:21.50 | WindowsUninstall | gamin, I mean on the phone |
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| 21:22.22 | gamin | WindowsUninstall: I really have no clue then what you mean??? |
| 21:22.51 | WindowsUninstall | gamin, I mean backspace |
| 21:23.02 | WindowsUninstall | I need a method to remove last typed characted |
| 21:23.06 | WindowsUninstall | *character |
| 21:23.27 | wurp2|working | WindowsUninstall: On the multitap keyboard, I think it's a stroke from right to left |
| 21:23.27 | gamin | WindowsUninstall: with an onscrenn keyboard? |
| 21:23.30 | lindi- | gamin: why not just create proper package? |
| 21:23.44 | wurp2|working | WindowsUninstall: On the matchbox keyboard, it's backspace :-) |
| 21:23.58 | WindowsUninstall | matchbox keyboard? |
| 21:24.05 | wurp2|working | yes |
| 21:24.25 | WindowsUninstall | i can use matchbox keyboard on OS 2008.8? |
| 21:24.31 | gamin | lindi-: time, but you can have the whole image here with many other things that I didn't have time to write about:http://mokogtk.free.fr/ |
| 21:24.33 | wurp2|working | Oh, I didn't know you were on 2008.8 |
| 21:25.01 | wurp2|working | I thought raster's kbd on 2008.8 had a backspace key, but I've never run 2008.8, so ignore my advice :-) |
| 21:25.02 | lindi- | gamin: i don't fancy images i can't build from source automatically :/ |
| 21:25.17 | gamin | lindi-: I'd love to have my days with 60 hours.. |
| 21:25.20 | lindi- | gamin: they lock development out totally :/ |
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| 21:26.55 | gamin | lindi-: I'm spending more than 10h per day on OM.... |
| 21:27.21 | Zorkman | gamin: 13.xhr till perfection ;-) |
| 21:27.30 | gamin | lindi-: I'll see what I can do |
| 21:28.01 | gamin | Zorkman: that's my goal ;P |
| 21:28.28 | lindi- | gamin: but more developers could help if the sources were buildable :) |
| 21:28.29 | Zorkman | while your at it: try to make battle of wesnoth or an equally nice game work on the FR :) |
| 21:28.55 | gamin | Zorkman: probably with a little tweaking of space-time I can even reach 30h / day ;-))) |
| 21:29.17 | Wonka | a minesweeper where you can actually mark the mines would be enough for me atm |
| 21:29.35 | Zorkman | wonka: press and hold |
| 21:29.42 | gamin | Wonka: lollll!! |
| 21:29.45 | Zorkman | but it doesn't work very good |
| 21:30.48 | Zorkman | Dave: have you upgraded 2007.2 today? |
| 21:31.03 | gamin | lindi-: IIRC I took the bluetooth applet, added two menu entries and did a system 'xkdb' / 'killall xkdb' - just a few lines |
| 21:31.03 | Zorkman | I get a lot of unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-***** |
| 21:31.21 | Dave | today? |
| 21:31.26 | Dave | maybe |
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| 21:31.31 | Zorkman | yeah, a whole lot of updates |
| 21:31.32 | Dave | Zorkman, looking for anything in particular |
| 21:31.43 | Dave | zorkman, yeah I'm updated with whatever the latest is. |
| 21:32.07 | gamin | lindi-: I'm following OM since the beginning and there are many thing I can't be bothered about anymore. |
| 21:32.28 | gamin | Its a miracle I'm still there... |
| 21:32.29 | nyu | Zorkman: wesnoth works |
| 21:32.41 | phrozen77__ | hm |
| 21:32.41 | phrozen77__ | are there any special steps involved after opkg upgrades the kernel? |
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| 21:32.43 | nyu | Zorkman: you just need --enable-tiny |
| 21:32.53 | Zorkman | This probably means that your libc libraries are not 100 % compatible |
| 21:32.53 | Zorkman | with this binary MySQL version. The MySQL daemon, mysqld, should work |
| 21:32.53 | Zorkman | normally with the exception that host name resolving will not work. |
| 21:32.53 | Zorkman | This means that you should use IP addresses instead of hostnames |
| 21:32.53 | Zorkman | when specifying MySQL privileges ! |
| 21:33.21 | lindi- | gamin: i escaped to debian since i wanted to be able to edit sources of any application :) |
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| 21:34.06 | nyu | gamin: about that applet, see http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 21:34.15 | gamin | lindi-: I guess I'm going that path too. I'd just like to convert ipk into .deb. can't be too difficult |
| 21:34.53 | lindi- | gamin: but if you then hit a problem with the debian package, how do you rebuild it? |
| 21:35.23 | lindi- | gamin: i can teach you to create debian packages if you want |
| 21:36.21 | gamin | nyu, lindi-: I have already a package in Debian... |
| 21:36.34 | lindi- | gamin: good :) |
| 21:36.58 | nyu | gamin: then you already know how to build debs from source debs ;-) |
| 21:37.03 | gamin | haven't yet found the time to become a DD... |
| 21:37.05 | nyu | no need for binary conversion |
| 21:37.12 | johnsu01 | notes that it's kind of hard to get the microSD card out |
| 21:37.19 | johnsu01 | I always forget which way it comes up |
| 21:37.31 | nyu | johnsu01: raise from inside |
| 21:37.43 | nyu | use your nails.. |
| 21:38.15 | gamin | nyu: I haven't yet looked into it, but does debian easily cross compile with all dependencies? |
| 21:38.27 | lindi- | gamin: i use qemubuilder for that |
| 21:38.32 | nyu | gamin: I don't really know. why don't you compile natively? |
| 21:38.50 | lindi- | gamin: cross compiling the whole archive is not supported, it would require really extensive changes |
| 21:38.52 | gamin | lindi- nyu: I use OE |
| 21:38.55 | nyu | I use qemu-system-arm |
| 21:39.00 | lindi- | gamin: yes but you wanted debian :) |
| 21:39.07 | johnsu01 | nyu: yep, thanks :) |
| 21:39.29 | gamin | lindi-: that's why I thought about alien ipk->deb |
| 21:39.52 | nyu | gamin: are you sure this won't break abi or other nasty things? |
| 21:39.53 | gamin | I have the full mokomake-file OE running here |
| 21:40.34 | gamin | nyu: well, the binaries run, and ipk and deb basically just copy them... |
| 21:41.22 | Dave | eh? |
| 21:41.35 | gamin | nyu: I really didn't look into it but a gut feeling tells me that the ipk binaries should run on debian |
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| 21:41.54 | lindi- | but with no dependency info |
| 21:42.06 | gamin | lindi-: therefore alien |
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| 21:43.10 | jucs | Did anyone get Dillo to run on the freerunner? |
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| 21:43.16 | gamin | thinks that IRC is just a perfect waste of time ;-))) |
| 21:43.42 | gamin | jucs: I use links in graphical mode |
| 21:43.56 | gamin | jucs: even google mail works ;-) |
| 21:44.02 | nyu | I'd rather use epiphany, if it runs smoothly enough |
| 21:44.03 | jucs | gamin: Me too, but it has many difficulties... |
| 21:44.16 | nyu | I don't have a mobile net connection anyway |
| 21:44.21 | jucs | nyu: Me too, but I don't know where to get it from :-( |
| 21:44.31 | jucs | epiphany would be great! |
| 21:44.34 | gamin | jucs: I love the message: your brwoser is not fully supported - lol |
| 21:44.36 | nyu | jucs: apt-get install epiphany-browser? ;-) |
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| 21:44.49 | jucs | apt-get? Freerunner :-P |
| 21:44.57 | gamin | nyu: am still on OE, but debian is on my list |
| 21:45.03 | nyu | OE? |
| 21:45.09 | gamin | openembedded |
| 21:45.17 | gamin | mokomakefile |
| 21:45.22 | nyu | is that the same as openmoko? |
| 21:45.56 | gamin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
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| 21:46.42 | gamin | nyu: how have you turned your real name upside down? |
| 21:46.53 | UndrWater | gamin: sugar-shell? |
| 21:47.15 | nyu | gamin: utf-8 |
| 21:47.16 | gamin | I didn't even know that I have a correspionding char set |
| 21:47.31 | doc|work | hmmm, second time now today, my computer just died out, had freerunner plugged in. Is on UPS so not a building problem. Has never happened before. |
| 21:47.43 | jucs | <- trying to install epiphany from angstrom... |
| 21:47.46 | doc|work | anyone had that happen? |
| 21:47.52 | nyu | your FR is on UPS? |
| 21:48.00 | gamin | UndrWater: ehhhmmmm. I think that sugar is completely broken |
| 21:48.05 | gamin | ducks away |
| 21:48.26 | doc|work | nyu: given its power usage it might be a good idea ;) |
| 21:48.36 | gamin | UndrWater: I was too stupid too understand sugar when I had an OLPC in my hands |
| 21:48.45 | Wonka | Zorkman: "press and hold" did never work for me. not one single time. |
| 21:48.47 | jucs | opkg -force-depends * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for epiphany: |
| 21:48.47 | doc|work | nyu: no, the fr was plugged into my computer |
| 21:48.47 | jucs | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.48 | jucs | -.- |
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| 21:48.56 | gamin | UndrWater: nor could the guy demonstrating it explain it to me |
| 21:49.17 | UndrWater | linux expo? |
| 21:49.38 | Zorkman | Wonka: works for me in most cases, but you need to use a stylus and keep it really steady |
| 21:49.55 | Wonka | i do use a stylus... |
| 21:50.02 | gamin | Zorkman: your waypoint problem with tangogps is really solved? |
| 21:50.16 | Zorkman | gamin: yes |
| 21:50.46 | Dave | hmm? |
| 21:51.06 | Dave | What are you breaking now, jucs? :D |
| 21:51.17 | jucs | Dave :-P |
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| 21:51.33 | jucs | Trying to get epiphany running, but I think it won't :-( |
| 21:52.53 | gamin | what features besides messagn friends and loading tracks would be cool for tangogps? |
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| 21:53.09 | gamin | s/messagn/messagin/ |
| 21:53.25 | gamin | s/messagin/messaging/ |
| 21:53.31 | gamin | ;-) |
| 21:53.39 | jucs | gamin: One VERY urgent one: Disabling the OSD speed display, it's really endless annoying :-P |
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| 21:53.55 | gamin | jucs: oops, why that? |
| 21:54.27 | jucs | Just because it's big and it covers a big part of the map... |
| 21:54.48 | jucs | And there's no use in it.... the speed is also display on the bottom... |
| 21:55.33 | jucs | I mean, of cource, it may be useful on a bike - but there really needs to be an option to turn it off :-) |
| 21:55.39 | Dave | :D |
| 21:55.44 | gamin | jucs: well, I'll meet that developer bloke next week in paris... |
| 21:55.46 | Dave | I keep thinking his nick is garmin |
| 21:55.49 | jucs | displayed* |
| 21:56.15 | jucs | gamin: I would be very pleased if you talked to them about that ;-) |
| 21:57.16 | johnsu01 | anyone have working gprs settings for qtopia? tmobile is what I'm trying to use, and I get an endless pending message |
| 21:57.43 | johnsu01 | I see people have gotten this working with pppd, but I'm trying to see if it will work just using the qtopia config widget |
| 21:58.18 | Zorkman | anyone gotten accelerometers working with 2007.2? |
| 21:58.19 | Dave | Yeah, I have no idea with qtopia. |
| 21:58.28 | Dave | I've done it successfully with pppd |
| 21:58.29 | gamin | Zorkman: yes |
| 21:58.34 | Dave | Zorkman, yes. |
| 21:58.40 | Dave | working properly though? unsure :P |
| 21:58.40 | Zorkman | gamin: how? (messing with neod?) |
| 21:58.47 | Dave | gamin :P |
| 21:58.52 | Dave | suspicion :p |
| 21:59.07 | gamin | Zorkman: yes, I have my own neod |
| 21:59.14 | gamin | Dave: ,-PP |
| 21:59.26 | Zorkman | gamin: does it work on a fully upgraded 2007.2? |
| 21:59.33 | Zorkman | gamin: and could you "lend" it to me :) |
| 21:59.38 | Wonka | i'd like a neod in python... so i could more easily modify it |
| 22:00.20 | Dave | haha |
| 22:00.25 | doc|work | anyone had their freerunner reboot their computer? |
| 22:00.27 | Dave | Wonka >:) |
| 22:00.28 | mickeyl | Wonka: done. |
| 22:00.30 | Dave | doc? haha |
| 22:00.32 | mickeyl | it's called frameworkd |
| 22:00.37 | Dave | I've had mine explode my computer, does that count? |
| 22:00.43 | doc|work | has happened to me twice today :/ |
| 22:00.49 | doc|work | Dave: really? |
| 22:00.49 | gamin | Zorkman: the neod opens in a loop all devices under /dev/input. just change that and you are okay |
| 22:00.49 | Dave | ouch |
| 22:00.51 | jucs | gamin: To be honest, I really like tangoGPS besides that :-p |
| 22:00.52 | Dave | are you running windows? |
| 22:00.58 | Dave | there was reportedly a bug which did that |
| 22:01.01 | doc|work | pfft, no! |
| 22:01.05 | Dave | :P |
| 22:01.07 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rce06f9f0eccc 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: |
| 22:01.07 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: kernel26: fix power supply class logic, if not present |
| 22:01.07 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: Yay, this now works even if battery is hot-swapped -- even if you change |
| 22:01.07 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: from a TH (which has no power supply support yet) to a CC (which has). |
| 22:01.10 | johnsu01 | Dave: Are you using it with tmobile? |
| 22:01.18 | Dave | hey, all I know is there was a usb networking bug which caused it to reboot your computer |
| 22:01.20 | Wonka | mickeyl: frameworkd is "a little" different. power menu, aux menu, all that stuff is quite as i like it. |
| 22:01.21 | gamin | jucs: 8-) |
| 22:01.29 | Dave | johnsu, two of mine are with tmobile |
| 22:01.30 | doc|work | Dave: hmmm, no networking here |
| 22:01.32 | Dave | and yes they work |
| 22:01.38 | mickeyl | Wonka: ah, well, these things you can easily recreate in py |
| 22:01.39 | doc|work | Dave: although it might have pulled one by accident |
| 22:01.40 | Dave | doc, o_O |
| 22:01.45 | Dave | ouch |
| 22:01.48 | doc|work | usb net that is |
| 22:01.50 | johnsu01 | Dave: What's the APN you are using? wap.voicestream.com, internet2.voicestream.com? |
| 22:01.56 | Zorkman | gamin: I'm a noob, some more info would be apreciated :) can I edit it with nano and where is it located? |
| 22:01.59 | Dave | oh oH |
| 22:02.07 | Dave | you're trying to use wap? |
| 22:02.32 | Dave | I was using them in host mode :P |
| 22:02.57 | Dave | well, I didn't peruse their network |
| 22:03.07 | Dave | I simply got an ip, and then connected them to each other |
| 22:03.17 | Dave | I could check later though, I guess |
| 22:03.23 | johnsu01 | okay |
| 22:03.23 | Dave | I never really tried playing with their wap |
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| 22:06.00 | nyu | you wouldn't have that trouble with debian packages ;-) |
| 22:06.07 | nyu | jucs: ^ |
| 22:06.20 | jucs | hm? |
| 22:06.31 | jucs | Debian packages? |
| 22:06.52 | nyu | 23:59 < Dave> there was reportedly a bug which did that |
| 22:07.01 | jucs | I've used some... but I didn't find out how to lower the problems I've had... |
| 22:07.10 | jucs | I mean, do you get epiphany to run? |
| 22:07.14 | nyu | Dave: uhm nifty. that means an usb exploit device can be crafted to crash all windowsen? ;-) |
| 22:07.27 | nyu | jucs: want me to try? |
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| 22:07.47 | Wonka | i heard there were usb sticks with autorun programs that opened a rootshell... |
| 22:08.04 | nyu | Wonka: usb autorun is disabled by default |
| 22:08.08 | jucs | nyu: If it's okay for you :-) I mean, I really miss a cool browser for the FR - and epi is all right on Gnome, so it'll be all right on the FR I think... |
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| 22:08.13 | Wonka | nyu: too bad |
| 22:08.20 | nyu | jucs: just a min |
| 22:08.23 | jucs | :-) |
| 22:08.31 | jucs | Thanks! |
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| 22:10.51 | lindi- | nyu: they appear as usb keyboards and type gui-r or something |
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| 22:11.12 | lindi- | i have AVR here that can be programmed to do that |
| 22:11.44 | lindi- | with plenty of flash memory for rootkits :P |
| 22:14.07 | nyu | lindi-: heh |
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| 22:15.04 | nyu | jucs: downloading |
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| 22:15.12 | jucs | nyu: :-) |
| 22:15.52 | UndrWater | hrm...unthemed tangogps looks better on 2008 |
| 22:15.52 | sevenhundred | has anyone had a dfu_upload error -5? |
| 22:16.32 | UndrWater | sevenhundred: i think there's a verbose switch... |
| 22:16.33 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r847182a42d02 10/conf/example/frameworkd.conf: document additional configuration keys |
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| 22:20.00 | jucs | sevenhundred: No, I always get -110... |
| 22:20.27 | UndrWater | sevenhundred: if you do a dfu-util -l what do you get? |
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| 22:27.03 | jucs | nyu? |
| 22:27.25 | tg | nya |
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| 22:29.26 | UndrWater | jucs: attempting the install has caused a great explosion...nyu is dead |
| 22:29.56 | jucs | UndrWater: Oh no, all my fault :-( |
| 22:30.04 | doc|work | murderer |
| 22:30.19 | doc|work | calls the police |
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| 22:30.40 | jucs | Are you allowed to have mobiles in the prison if you can't call with them? :-P |
| 22:31.43 | jucs | Well no, actually I doubt it :-( |
| 22:32.26 | KenYoung | Maybe if they have a nonfunctional software stack... |
| 22:33.41 | viq | Isn't that what you call a brick? ;) |
| 22:34.33 | jucs | *lol* |
| 22:35.20 | Zorkman | gamin: can you please give me a hint how to edit neod? |
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| 22:40.21 | jucs | I am sorry but I think I need to say goodnight for now! |
| 22:40.40 | jucs | nyu, I hope I'll to hear your results tommorrow ;-) |
| 22:41.44 | nyu | jucs: hey |
| 22:41.50 | nyu | jucs: takes ages to start |
| 22:41.50 | jucs | Yes? |
| 22:41.59 | jucs | How long are ages? :-D |
| 22:42.04 | nyu | but otherwise is fine |
| 22:42.05 | doc|work | sounds like he's on the right track :) |
| 22:42.08 | nyu | uhm |
| 22:42.10 | nyu | maybe a minute |
| 22:42.17 | doc|work | that's good |
| 22:42.21 | jucs | Gosh :D But than it works? |
| 22:42.26 | jucs | Fast enough? |
| 22:42.29 | nyu | doc|work: I didn't do anything special, just apt-got it |
| 22:42.35 | nyu | jucs: let me check |
| 22:42.49 | jucs | :-) |
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| 22:43.10 | nyu | standard speed for my sucky connection |
| 22:43.15 | nyu | I'll try gnash now |
| 22:43.19 | nyu | btw, I miss a keyboard |
| 22:43.31 | nyu | had to run it via ssh |
| 22:43.39 | jucs | However, we've got the button, so it's not that bad... |
| 22:43.43 | jucs | :-D |
| 22:43.57 | jucs | keyboard-button* |
| 22:44.11 | jucs | So, you're using debian or just the debian repo? |
| 22:44.20 | nyu | jucs: debian, in a chroot |
| 22:45.20 | jucs | A okay, sounds not to be a fast thing to get to work :-P |
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| 22:46.11 | nyu | jucs: actually it is |
| 22:46.27 | nyu | the hard thing would have been to setup debian to run the actual phone functions |
| 22:46.33 | sevenhundred | \quit |
| 22:46.39 | sevenhundred | ncurses! |
| 22:47.03 | jucs | :-P Well, I'll talk to you about this again... |
| 22:47.07 | nyu | with this I just ssh in, chroot, then set DISPLAY=:0 and can use om2007's x11 server |
| 22:47.13 | jucs | But for now, thansk again and I really need to get some sleeeeeep XD |
| 22:47.21 | nyu | good nite |
| 22:47.38 | jucs | Thanks, and it actually sounds nice :-P What about of disk space do you need for it? |
| 22:47.52 | jucs | amount* |
| 22:48.06 | nyu | I use a 2 GiB uSD |
| 22:48.23 | nyu | I think 1 GiB should git too |
| 22:48.25 | nyu | erm, fit |
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| 22:48.47 | jucs | I only got 512MB, that's a bit to less... |
| 22:48.50 | nyu | depends on what you install of course. I have wesnoth & epiphany now, basically |
| 22:49.13 | TAsn | nyu, epiphany? |
| 22:49.16 | TAsn | on the moko? |
| 22:49.19 | nyu | yea |
| 22:49.24 | jucs | Yes, great, isn't it? :-P |
| 22:49.29 | nyu | I'll try gnash now |
| 22:49.29 | TAsn | can you please screeshot? |
| 22:49.46 | nyu | uhm with the stock screenshot util? |
| 22:49.59 | TAsn | dunno |
| 22:50.06 | nyu | sure I can |
| 22:50.08 | TAsn | what ever you want |
| 22:50.09 | nyu | give me 10 mins |
| 22:50.11 | TAsn | cool ;0 |
| 22:50.22 | jucs | So I'll leave this open and wait, too *bath* |
| 22:50.25 | jucs | :-) |
| 22:52.17 | TAsn | well it's 1:45 am here ;( |
| 22:52.26 | TAsn | jucs, please pm me with the link he posts |
| 22:52.30 | TAsn | i will see it tomorrow |
| 22:52.56 | TAsn | or i may just search the logs |
| 22:53.37 | TAsn | *log mark to search, for internal use only* *AOAO* |
| 22:53.38 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 22:53.48 | TAsn | gn |
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| 22:54.55 | SiNiESTrO | hi guys! =) |
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| 23:16.21 | Dave | KenYoung! |
| 23:16.23 | Dave | It's you! |
| 23:16.48 | Dave | We have much to discuss. |
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| 23:17.06 | Dave | and by discuss, I mean, beat software patches into you! |
| 23:17.08 | Dave | >:) |
| 23:17.22 | KenYoung | Dave, Yes? |
| 23:17.37 | Dave | Hello! |
| 23:17.49 | KenYoung | Hi |
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| 23:18.27 | Dave | Kenyoung, to where do I send modifications to your orrery? :) |
| 23:18.43 | Dave | Also one major simple fix if you will please do so immediately... |
| 23:18.50 | Dave | because I guess you missed it last time :P |
| 23:19.04 | KenYoung | Dave, so you've got some source-code changes for me? What luck! |
| 23:19.36 | paroneayea | so |
| 23:19.39 | Dave | Yes... luck... |
| 23:19.54 | paroneayea | now I've experienced that the openmoko phone *does* work as a daily, usable phone with qtopia |
| 23:19.55 | KenYoung | I don;t have my code in CVS yet, though I should. You could email your mods to me, or if you would prefer, I could try to set up a CVS repository somewhere. |
| 23:20.13 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 23:20.17 | paroneayea | now that I know that, I'd like to get started with the FSO, and try to work with the most usable FSO that currently exists... |
| 23:20.27 | paroneayea | but it seems there are a few distributions of it :p |
| 23:20.31 | Dave | What email? |
| 23:20.40 | paroneayea | what's the recommended best path for an FSO n00b like me? :) |
| 23:20.42 | Dave | The same on the software page? |
| 23:20.46 | Dave | I was unsure of that. |
| 23:20.53 | KenYoung | Dave, orrery.moko@gmail.com |
| 23:20.54 | Dave | and you always left before I get back usually |
| 23:20.56 | Dave | okay! |
| 23:21.07 | Dave | May I berate you in the meantime, while you're here? :D |
| 23:21.18 | KenYoung | Dave, what does your new code do? |
| 23:21.26 | KenYoung | Berate away. |
| 23:21.30 | Dave | heh |
| 23:21.43 | Dave | Well, for starters, we fix your desktop icon so it shows up in the appropriate place |
| 23:22.01 | Dave | Please change Categories=GTK;Application;PIM in your orrery.desktop file |
| 23:22.06 | KenYoung | Dave, I hope to release a new version Monday night, so this is apt to be a good time to fold in any changes you have. |
| 23:22.09 | Dave | this will subsequently appease many users :) |
| 23:22.20 | Dave | and no longer enrage them for it showing up in the wrong places :P |
| 23:22.28 | Dave | kenyoung, awesome, please include that in it? |
| 23:22.30 | Dave | ! |
| 23:23.23 | KenYoung | Dave, so what category do you think is the appropriate one? None of them really seemed to fit, from my point of view. |
| 23:24.27 | KenYoung | Right now it's Categories=GTK;Application;Office |
| 23:25.09 | Dave | I just specified it |
| 23:25.17 | Dave | If you could change it to Categories=GTK;Application;PIM |
| 23:25.23 | Dave | it will, ironically, be better :P |
| 23:25.25 | KenYoung | I liked that, because on my phone I like to have it displayed by default. But I can change my personal copy, of course, if there's a better classification which would make other users happier. |
| 23:25.34 | Dave | yeah that would be better |
| 23:25.48 | Dave | because most users were complaining about it being displayed in the PIM menu AND the Application menu |
| 23:26.05 | Dave | Ironically, Categories=GTK;Application;PIM doesn't make it display in the PIM menu! |
| 23:26.08 | Dave | :D |
| 23:26.22 | Dave | The fucking menu parsing/filtering system itself is very whacky and I would say bugged |
| 23:26.33 | KenYoung | OK, I get very little feedback about the program. Since you are the only person who has expressed a preference about that, you represent 100% of the voting public. |
| 23:26.43 | Dave | e.g. Categories=Games makes it appear in Applications, but Categories=Game makes it appear the Games menu :P |
| 23:26.43 | KenYoung | You win this particular election. |
| 23:26.51 | Dave | KenYoung, excellent! |
| 23:26.52 | Dave | :D |
| 23:26.57 | Dave | I like your system :) |
| 23:27.03 | Dave | Hooray for democracy! ;) |
| 23:27.50 | Dave | Let me start up orrery |
| 23:28.22 | KenYoung | Dave, WHen you say "most users were complaining about" where do you hear this? I posted my email address at the bottom of the Wiki page, in the .ipk file, at the gForge site, and I hardly ever hear anything about it. Where are *you* getting this user feedback? |
| 23:28.24 | Dave | I think I experienced a problem when panning in landscape mode having to do with the various toggleable lines |
| 23:28.30 | Dave | Kenyoung, here |
| 23:28.45 | Dave | and most users would be, say, seven or so users out of ten who were using orrery |
| 23:28.57 | Dave | yeah people are kind of scared to email you I guess |
| 23:29.02 | Dave | or don't care to make suggestions |
| 23:29.08 | Dave | most just like to rant here :) |
| 23:29.15 | Dave | hoping *someone* will take it to the author... I guess |
| 23:29.22 | Dave | ;) |
| 23:30.01 | KenYoung | Dave, in landscape mode, it works very poorly, and the Transverse mercator projection is no longer a good choice. I plan on making a completely different display appear in landscape mode. |
| 23:30.15 | Dave | yeah :| |
| 23:30.26 | Dave | I know, you mentioned that when we last spoke about orrery ! |
| 23:30.38 | Dave | I was very excited to hear your ideas regarding "a separate screen" :D |
| 23:30.43 | Dave | I still am :) |
| 23:31.01 | Dave | I also have some suggestions about displaying the equator line, etc |
| 23:31.12 | Dave | it'd also be helpful if we had another method of identifying directionality |
| 23:31.14 | KenYoung | Dave, I can't imagine why anyone would hesitate to send sugggestions. I practically beg for feedback on the Wiki page. I want to add new features. Three other folks have sent suggestions, and I plan on implementing most of them. |
| 23:31.32 | Dave | or where one is, other than say "South" "East" being displayed on the bottom |
| 23:31.54 | Dave | Kenyoung, aww, I'd be glad to harass you! |
| 23:31.54 | Dave | :) |
| 23:31.58 | Dave | I am very fond of it |
| 23:32.08 | KenYoung | What alternative would you like, rather than the cardinal directions? |
| 23:32.09 | Dave | but hope it can be taken to even further heights! |
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| 23:32.13 | juc1 | No nyu-Screenshot? |
| 23:32.16 | Dave | hmm |
| 23:32.46 | KenYoung | I'm hoping to add magnification soon, perhaps by Monday. |
| 23:32.59 | nyu | hey |
| 23:33.01 | Dave | Well one thing (since I guess I'm the only one giving you feedback, I guess I'll speak for myself), I am very confused by what lines mean what, when displayed |
| 23:33.05 | nyu | juc1: took me a while to figure out how to capture them |
| 23:33.09 | nyu | I had to be very quick |
| 23:33.16 | Dave | so it wasn't until I was able to navigate to your project page to figure out what the different lines meant |
| 23:33.26 | KenYoung | I'm going to have different things happen if you tap the screen, or press it for > 1 second, or draw a loop around an area, etc. |
| 23:33.28 | nyu | or I'd end up capturing the screenshot program (sigh) |
| 23:33.28 | juc1 | And.... have you been successful? |
| 23:33.32 | nyu | http://newpeople.debian.org/~rmh/freerunner/ |
| 23:33.43 | Dave | I honestly spent a day or two when I first got the application trying to figure out WHERE the equator was, and WHAT I was looking at. |
| 23:33.46 | nyu | TAsn: ^ |
| 23:33.53 | Dave | KenYoung, yeah, that sounds great |
| 23:33.58 | KenYoung | Dave I've been trying to improve the wiki. |
| 23:34.12 | Dave | also tapping to change the display is great, but somewhat bad, because you can very quickly *accidentally* change views |
| 23:34.17 | TAsn | nyu, thanks :) |
| 23:34.24 | juc1 | nyu: Wow, that looks great! |
| 23:34.41 | nyu | wesnoth is still not playable here, as some controls fall out of the screen |
| 23:34.41 | paroneayea | nyu: wow, wesnoth! sweet |
| 23:34.44 | KenYoung | Dave, yes, and it is easy to get multiple taps. I guess I need to debounce. |
| 23:34.55 | nyu | it should work fine when I finish the --enable-tinygui rebuild |
| 23:34.58 | Dave | I don't mind panning using the numbers and side arrows on the bottom, but apparently it can be problematic for users, as you stated initially |
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| 23:35.02 | paroneayea | nyu: not surprising, it's the same way on the Eee PC even still |
| 23:35.06 | Dave | kenyoung, it'll be fun! :) |
| 23:35.19 | Dave | wish we could have a party or weekend to improve orrery :) |
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| 23:35.43 | nyu | paroneayea: not the same, on eeepc --enable-smallgui is enough |
| 23:35.46 | Dave | I should really make a list, I've been too busy reporting on openmoko bugs lately |
| 23:35.52 | nyu | the stock debian packages provide small gui but not tiny gui |
| 23:35.54 | Dave | I just have them swarming around my mind :) |
| 23:36.04 | paroneayea | nyu: oh really! I didn't realize that existed |
| 23:36.05 | KenYoung | Dave, the celestial equator, ecliptic and galactic plane are briefly explained on the Wiki page now. I don't think a very detailed description is needed, since any interested party can just look it up in wikipedia. |
| 23:36.13 | Dave | The planets is cool, but a lot of people have no idea what they mean |
| 23:36.15 | TAsn | nyu, that's debian though, right? |
| 23:36.28 | Dave | if you had a help screen or something like on the website, it might be cool |
| 23:36.33 | nyu | paroneayea: I think smallgui is only a hack to make -r work properly. tinygui OTOH involves different bitmaps |
| 23:36.36 | nyu | TAsn: yep |
| 23:36.39 | Dave | kenyoung, I guess :| |
| 23:36.48 | juc1 | nyu? |
| 23:36.52 | paroneayea | nyu: gotcha |
| 23:36.52 | KenYoung | Dave, please make a list, and email it. Don't bother including the categories stuff, I got that now. |
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| 23:36.58 | juc1 | If you rebuild it, could compile it static for me? |
| 23:37.04 | Dave | I think it would be cool if you could select a particular constellation you are interested in and it could highlight it, say in a different color, blue? |
| 23:37.18 | juc1 | you* |
| 23:37.18 | Dave | also it would say that way, if you panned |
| 23:37.18 | nyu | juc1: sorry, already finishing |
| 23:37.26 | juc1 | :-( |
| 23:37.30 | Dave | a method to better keep a reference or something of interest, maybe? |
| 23:37.33 | Dave | What's wrong now, jucs? |
| 23:37.39 | Yanroy | hi guys... I'm having a problem getting my FR to connect to the net via USB networking |
| 23:37.39 | nyu | juc1: why don't you build it yourself? it's easy to setup a native build env with qemu |
| 23:37.44 | Dave | KenYoung, thanks for fixing the categories :P |
| 23:37.50 | juc1 | Really, is it? |
| 23:37.56 | KenYoung | Dave, The wiki page has a link to a page explaining the planet symbols. My current, unreleased version also prints the planet names if you enable printing of the star names. |
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| 23:38.03 | Yanroy | I had it working with 2007.2, and I think I even had it working after flashing 2008.8, but it doesn't work now... I've gone through everything I can think of |
| 23:38.07 | TAsn | nyu, the only question is how i get it to work on moko |
| 23:38.10 | Dave | Ah, good, I thought you might do that ;) |
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| 23:38.13 | TAsn | without deb |
| 23:38.15 | Yanroy | I can SSH to it, and it can ping my computer, but not the internet at large... |
| 23:38.24 | Dave | Kenyoung, it's awesome, but you're running out of room for configurable options! :D |
| 23:38.26 | juc1 | TAsn: Be nice to nyu and maybe ;-) |
| 23:38.28 | TAsn | om 2007 or something ;0 |
| 23:38.33 | Dave | Don't get me wrong though, it's really great! |
| 23:38.38 | nyu | TAsn: I use a chroot |
| 23:38.57 | TAsn | nyu, oh, i think you already told me that what you do |
| 23:39.00 | nyu | otherwise maybe you can build static binaries or something |
| 23:39.05 | TAsn | yeah. |
| 23:39.08 | TAsn | well both cool. |
| 23:39.10 | nyu | anyway, I don't mess with my om |
| 23:39.25 | nyu | it's meant to be pristine and stable for my actual phone needs |
| 23:39.35 | Yanroy | can anyone help me troubleshoot this? |
| 23:39.36 | Dave | Kenyoung, when gps location is selected does orrery [by default] display the last location? |
| 23:39.53 | nyu | Yanroy: you need ip forwarding, possibly nat as well |
| 23:40.10 | nyu | Yanroy: sudo sysctl net.ipv4.conf.all.forwarding=1 |
| 23:40.13 | KenYoung | Dave, I'm going to change the fullscreen button to FS, and the "display" menu to "items", and that will free enough realestate for another pulldown menu called "options". |
| 23:40.16 | Yanroy | nyu: it's already set up... the sysctl thingy is 1, and the masquerade thing in iptables is there |
| 23:40.31 | paroneayea | nyu: so you run debian on your OM? |
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| 23:40.51 | nyu | Yanroy: I'd rather walk over brimstone than debug someone else's iptables. but if you like I can paste my recipe |
| 23:40.58 | Yanroy | nyu: AFAICT, this is the same setup that I had working a week or so ago (I think with the same 2008.8 image that's on there now) |
| 23:41.03 | nyu | paroneayea: in a chroot, yes |
| 23:41.09 | paroneayea | o |
| 23:41.26 | Dave | Kenyoung, I like it! |
| 23:41.36 | KenYoung | Dave, I'm not sure what you're asking. If it has goten a good position from gpsd, and if gpsd stops giving new position updates (because you're indoors, or have shut down the GPS unit), then it does keep using the last position it got, if that's what you're asking. |
| 23:41.38 | TAsn | nyu, you installed debian on the mem card? |
| 23:41.48 | nyu | Yanroy: http://paste.debian.net/15773/ FWIW |
| 23:41.53 | nyu | TAsn: yes |
| 23:41.58 | TAsn | cool |
| 23:42.08 | TAsn | how did you install it? |
| 23:42.09 | paroneayea | I'm considering switching my 1973 over to debian |
| 23:42.13 | Dave | KenYoung, let me get straight to the point, if I am inside but it has not gotten a fix, I don't want to be in Cambridge ;) |
| 23:42.17 | Dave | heehee |
| 23:42.30 | doc|work | paroneayea: how is debian for calls? |
| 23:42.33 | doc|work | and sms |
| 23:42.34 | nyu | TAsn: I used debootstrap. it's a debian package itself (which I run from another armel system), but I think it can run on non-debian too |
| 23:42.34 | juc1 | So, I'm leaving now! Good night to all of you! |
| 23:42.43 | Dave | doc, better than you ;) |
| 23:42.52 | TAsn | nyu, cool enough. |
| 23:42.52 | paroneayea | doc|work: I don't know, right now I'm just considering... just running qtopia ;p |
| 23:42.57 | juc1 | And nyu, thanks for your efforts again! |
| 23:43.00 | nyu | doc|work: probably has issues on that. I only have it in chroot for now |
| 23:43.15 | nyu | juc1: seriously, I've done nothing |
| 23:43.19 | TAsn | nyu, you rule, thanks. :) |
| 23:43.30 | nyu | just setup the things I needed. I didn't even send a single patch :-P |
| 23:43.31 | doc|work | paroneayea: :) |
| 23:43.33 | KenYoung | Dave, You can use the "place" menu to select a location from the menus, or enter a name with an explicit latitude and longitude, and then press the save to config button, and that will be your new default location, overriding Cambridge forever. |
| 23:43.36 | doc|work | nyu: fair enough |
| 23:43.36 | Dave | jucs, abschied mein Freund :) |
| 23:43.48 | Dave | OH, good |
| 23:43.51 | Dave | :) |
| 23:44.00 | juc1 | nyu: So if you're feeling boring sometime put me a binary online! Bye bye ;-) |
| 23:44.03 | juc1 | Tschüss Dave! |
| 23:44.12 | doc|work | anyone see this post on the iriver battery pack being used with the neo? |
| 23:44.19 | Dave | :] |
| 23:44.21 | juc1 | bored* Sorry for my english... |
| 23:44.25 | doc|work | has an iriver battery pack and is having bad thoughts :o |
| 23:45.04 | Dave | Kenyoung, I thought your icon change for the last release was a bit of an improvement, since I knew you weren't too pleased with it from the start ;) |
| 23:45.23 | KenYoung | Dave, I know that philosophically we are supposed to avoid "save" buttons, and automatically save all confit doing that on a flash-based system makes me nervous, because flash has a finite number of writes before damage occurs. s, buguration change |
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| 23:45.50 | TAsn | nyu, you gave us inspiration which is also important ;0 |
| 23:45.53 | Dave | I actually had a couple different thoughts for a different icon, if you're interested I'll email them to you later this week :) |
| 23:46.02 | KenYoung | Wow, that got messd up. I'll try again. |
| 23:46.07 | Dave | KenYoung, yeah save button is smart |
| 23:46.11 | Dave | I see no problem with it |
| 23:46.26 | Dave | so long as your menus are easily navicable and the conf is intuitive |
| 23:46.33 | Dave | and users can read reasonably well :) |
| 23:46.46 | KenYoung | Dave, I know that philosophically we are supposed to avoid "save" buttons, and automatically save all configuration changes but doing that on a flash-based system makes me nervous, because flash has a finite number of writes before damage occurs. |
| 23:46.49 | paroneayea | this d-bus stuff is exciting |
| 23:46.58 | Dave | People in the past had "save conf" buttons which read nothing to do with Saving, which was HIGHLY counterintuitive. Go figure. |
| 23:47.11 | paroneayea | maybe I can actually be of help developing, since I'm pretty much hacking python day in and day out... |
| 23:47.20 | paroneayea | but am not too good with C/C++ atm ;p |
| 23:47.37 | doc|work | KenYoung: qtopia's back = save+go back is nice |
| 23:47.42 | Dave | Kenyoung, actually from what I've been told about the hardware, you could write to it for years and it'll be fine. |
| 23:47.48 | Dave | Doc, no |
| 23:47.56 | doc|work | Dave, yes |
| 23:47.58 | doc|work | !! |
| 23:48.01 | Dave | it will be nice once ALL the context menus for that function do what it's supposed to. |
| 23:48.02 | doc|work | :) |
| 23:48.05 | Dave | BEWARE |
| 23:48.10 | Dave | One of them explodes your device! |
| 23:48.15 | Dave | I won't tell you which one though >:) |
| 23:48.15 | KenYoung | Dave, I'm thinking about hiring a freelance graphic artist to do icons at various resolutions. I am antiseptically devoid of any artistic talent. |
| 23:48.17 | doc|work | Dave: you lost me? |
| 23:48.27 | Dave | Aww |
| 23:48.32 | Dave | Kenyoung, may I contribute? :) |
| 23:48.46 | Dave | I already made four different cute desktop icons (in my mind) :) |
| 23:48.51 | paroneayea | KenYoung: get jimmac as a freelancer! ;) |
| 23:48.53 | doc|work | KenYoung: get them done in svg, then export them at certain resolutions |
| 23:48.55 | Dave | I could quite easily do them this weekend. |
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| 23:50.17 | KenYoung | Dave, if you come up with icons, that would be much appreciated. I think the ones I have now are crappy. My only consolation is that the OM 2008.8 icons make no sense whatsoever in most cases. |
| 23:50.38 | Dave | In other news, I find it quite amusing, yet severely distressing that the gsm chip/antenna can be responsible for any and all problems in the freerunner; more specifically, in almost all issues it is related. |
| 23:50.51 | Dave | KenYoung, indeed! :D |
| 23:51.16 | Dave | Kenyoung, I already put together an optional user package to replace the nonsensical icons with more sensible ones! |
| 23:51.20 | Dave | heh |
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| 23:52.16 | KenYoung | Dave, Good. I can't imagine why they chose abstract impressionist art in the default distribution. |
| 23:52.36 | Dave | Uhm, actually, the reason for that is that Xora 'accidentally' merged them into OM |
| 23:52.45 | Dave | At least that's what he told me. |
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| 23:53.12 | Dave | Though he mentioned something about never keeping them, they remain there. So *shrug* |
| 23:53.25 | Dave | I have my oldicons package to replace them with more sensible icons |
| 23:53.31 | KenYoung | Dave, but how hard would it be for them to correct that? It's hard to imagine how fixing that could take an hour, since they already have sensible icons available. |
| 23:53.39 | Dave | very easy |
| 23:53.47 | Dave | I already did it |
| 23:53.53 | Dave | right after it fucked my menus up |
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| 23:54.09 | Dave | people were coming in here with questions like, OMG, I UPDATED AND NOW MY TERMINAL APP IS GONE, WTF!??! |
| 23:54.13 | Dave | and WHERE IS THE WEB BROWSER? |
| 23:54.20 | Dave | because they would associate the app with the icon :p |
| 23:54.24 | Dave | as I did when scrolling the menus |
| 23:54.32 | Dave | I see the terminal app icon, it makes sense... |
| 23:54.37 | CVirus | n00b |
| 23:54.44 | Dave | ... a painting a la jackson pollack? that's not the terminal. |
| 23:54.46 | Dave | :P |
| 23:54.51 | Dave | Virus, quiet you! |
| 23:54.55 | CVirus | lol |
| 23:54.58 | KenYoung | Gee, associating an icon with an app. Who woe to get away with *that8?uld expect to be abl |
| 23:55.16 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r461865c7bb7f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume srcrev |
| 23:55.21 | Dave | Kenyoun, that is what qtopia is all about |
| 23:55.27 | Dave | and they have not so intuitive icons |
| 23:55.42 | Dave | you literally spend your first half-hour figuring out what icons go to what app/function |
| 23:55.49 | Dave | it's slightly disconcerting :) |
| 23:56.02 | Dave | granted they have a textual menu, but it's hidden behind one of those nonsensical icons! |
| 23:56.05 | Dave | :D |
| 23:56.08 | Dave | haha |
| 23:56.11 | Dave | it's almost a [demented] game. |
| 23:56.23 | KenYoung | Dave, I've not used qtopia, but from the screenshots I've seen it looks like they have a telephone for the dialer app icon. It doesn't look like nonsense. |
| 23:57.01 | paroneayea | KenYoung: they do! In fact, I've shown the phone to people who had no idea what it was and they were even able to use it *without instruction* :O |
| 23:57.07 | Dave | No, but stacked boxes == task manager? |
| 23:57.17 | doc|work | hmmm, my fr running qtopia seems to have locked up in suspend |
| 23:57.34 | Dave | it could be better, for an interface with ONLY icons |
| 23:57.37 | Dave | *shrugs* |
| 23:57.44 | Dave | doc, congratulations. |
| 23:57.51 | doc|work | qtopia needs a decent keyboard more than it needs new icons |
| 23:57.54 | nyu | real men use command-line to make phone calls |
| 23:58.03 | Dave | heh |
| 23:58.08 | Dave | doc, huhu |
| 23:58.18 | KenYoung | Well, at least they keyboard has letters, rather than a zebra for the letter Z, etc. |
| 23:58.40 | doc|work | I had to hand a girl a piece of chopstick splinter to use my fr |
| 23:58.47 | paroneayea | doc|work: but it provides 5 keyboards already! ;D |
| 23:58.48 | doc|work | forgot stylus |
| 23:58.50 | Dave | haha cute |
| 23:58.53 | Dave | that would be hilarious. |
| 23:58.55 | doc|work | she was |
| 23:59.06 | doc|work | oh, the splinter? :) |
| 23:59.07 | Dave | doc, nice |
| 23:59.12 | Dave | that's pretty sad |
| 23:59.16 | doc|work | yes :( |
| 23:59.20 | doc|work | home time |
| 23:59.27 | Dave | Later canuck |
| 23:59.43 | Yanroy | nyu: thanks for your help... I discovered a typo in my commands thanks to your paste :) it works now |
