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00:23.20roolyjeebus, the included browsers suck
00:23.30roolyminimo needs to be thrown into the repo
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00:36.44rupekindoes anyone know if the wall usb charger is supposed to be working?
00:36.51roolyit sure is
00:37.02rupekinhmm.. what am i missing
00:37.12rupekincomp usb works like a champ
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00:37.37mmontourrupekin: in general yes, but u-boot has some problems with it. Should work fine if you plug it in after you've booted to Linux
00:38.05rupekinokay so if I check in proc I should see it charging?
00:38.11rupekineven though led red is off
00:38.14roolyapm even
00:38.39rupekinwhat uboot are u guys running?
00:38.44mmontourLED is controlled by userspace. Look in /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073 and /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat for the real info
00:39.32rupekinwill look at it further.. tx
00:39.43mmontoure.g. in that first directory "cat charger_type" and "cat usb_curlim" should say something about 1000mA charger
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01:38.08Daenythwow
01:38.15DaenythI REALLY don't like qtopia compared to 2007.2
01:39.03mmontourTrolltech qtopia or Om2008.8?
01:39.08Daenythtrolltech
01:39.17DaenythI thought 2008.8 wasn't usable yet
01:42.35ljpwhats wrong wiht comparing Qtopia to '2007.2'?
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01:48.17CIA-48openmoko: 03roh * r4609 10/developers/roh/ (. CHY48R_test.py): - first working hack to get data from this DVM
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02:48.18krayonAnyone know where I can get a Freerunner from or when they will be available again ... I'm in Austlalia fwiw.
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02:52.13mmontourlol, that's a fun bug. Plug FR into wall charger, unplug, connect to a 100mA USB port. "usb_curlim" stays at 1A.
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02:54.57CIA-48openmoko: 03werner * r4610 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/lib/scope.py: (log message trimmed)
02:54.57CIA-48openmoko: Support for full waveform retrieval with DS1000CD. This allows decoding of
02:54.57CIA-48openmoko: SPI (and SD) sequences of up to about 50kbits.
02:54.57CIA-48openmoko: - lib/scope.py (scale_125): improved tolerance against rounding errors
02:54.57CIA-48openmoko: - lib/scope.py: added full-depth retrieval for analog and digital waves
02:55.00CIA-48openmoko: - lib/scope.py: give credit to rew's Rigol interface program
02:55.02CIA-48openmoko: - lib/scope.py: send parameters of horizontal system only in non-exponential
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03:05.46slaxxinmang wataload from opkg on 2008.8
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03:06.24slaxxincrapload kernel modules
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03:07.36slaxxinUpgrading kernel-module-serpent on root from 2:2.6.24+git75940+27fc8d82e365c47065f3a9240bfe21e67a50edf2-r1.01 to 2:2.6.24+git75965+cb3cc53a76c7f1f7c827d048db7a849e77071515-r1.01...
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03:10.57slaxxinit downloaded a load of neo1973 stuff  --i wonder if thats a problem
03:19.32slaxxinit apears that the 2008.8 downladed an upgraded alot of stuff
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03:49.08CIA-48openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r46c79a398b8c 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): movw illume to upstream svn version. now use "asu" profile - illume-theme
03:49.08CIA-48openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re9defc1dd96c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev
03:49.08CIA-48openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0b8407073d02 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): update efl and e to latest - fix segv on startup, gsm now doesnt use gsmget
03:49.10CIA-48openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r92bb877811ac 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and update to fix slight focus problems with e/illume. working now (tested).
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03:59.28Dave-_-
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04:08.05iormzHi, will using tangogps on ASU  it looks really weird like the theme is not ok...
04:08.16iormzdoes ASU supports gtk themes ?
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04:09.41KenYoungiormz, There have been posts about that on the community mail list, including some which had example themes which made tangogps look good in ASU."
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04:09.51roolysighs
04:09.58roolyi like om2008 i really do
04:10.02roolybut it's just not fast enough
04:10.25roolyraster: who's job is it to port all the python apps to c?
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04:12.50rasterrooly: ?
04:12.57roolyi sure did ask you
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04:13.17roolyand are you referring to "you do it rooly."
04:13.24roolycause if you are, then goddamit...
04:13.25rasteraccordsing to om that will not happen
04:13.31roolythat's gross
04:13.33rastereverythnig you see myst be driven by python
04:13.41roolywhy!? it's so slow!
04:13.48rastersean has dedreed that every single pixel is to be python controlled
04:13.59rasterno if's or buts or compromises
04:14.09rasterdon't look at me
04:14.13roolywell, what if the community writes it as c?
04:14.24roolymight be looking to take on a gsoc project
04:14.29rasterthen you can make all your own packages and own firmware images
04:14.34roolyor hell, i'll present it to my uni
04:14.41rasterit wont go into the default
04:14.55rasteras that is not desired and it goes against om's goals of everything being python
04:15.03roolysighs
04:15.08roolywhy python...
04:15.23rasterask sean
04:15.25roolywhy not, say, lua
04:15.29roolyor ruby
04:15.31roolyor java
04:15.34rastersince he's never used python
04:15.44roolyorly
04:15.44rasteror writes stuff for it - i assume he has some amazing reason
04:15.48rasteractually
04:16.03rasterit's  because "Designers all know python and will use it to make amazing designs for the phone"
04:16.05roolyi think the only reason is so that the end user could change the code on the fly
04:16.07rasteror something close to that
04:16.18roolyoh, nvm then
04:16.35rasterit's nothing to do with a good technical decision
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04:16.48roolyso that's why the gtk interface failed
04:16.52roolybecause it was too fast
04:17.06rasterhahaha
04:17.10roolyboots in half the time
04:17.12roolyno joke
04:17.40roolyi wonder if it can be update to use the gsmget daemon
04:17.54rastergsmget is justa  slave process for e's gsm gadget
04:17.59rasterits not a daemon
04:18.02charlie137raster: hi
04:18.03roolyorly
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04:18.11rastercharlie137: morning
04:18.12raster:)
04:18.19rasteroh wait
04:18.22rasterafternoon for you
04:18.22raster:)
04:18.23roolyis downloading medieval
04:18.27charlie137raster: yep
04:18.41charlie137raster: i using etk right now
04:18.54roolygoes get psx since it's so much better than this junk he's usring right now...
04:19.04charlie137raster: is there a good tutorial somewhere ?
04:19.17rasterrooly: python is om's strategy. that is what sean wants. i disagree that python is going to solve all the worlds problems - but he wants it. take it up with him
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04:19.52roolyi understand you're not the decision maker here. so i'll just complain at you, not to you
04:20.02rastercharlie137: not really - but examples - several. otherwise i just read the .h files. then again... most of etk stuff is in c. if you're using it from python al lyou have are the examples the bindings come with
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04:20.22rasterro i'm barely even workign for om anymore. in less than a week i'm not employed there.
04:20.30rasterso again - don't ask me :)
04:20.30charlie137but the python bidding is quite close to the c api i guess
04:20.32CIA-48openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4611 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/phone-kit/moko-dialer.c: apply patch from LeRoutier for trac ticket #1839 (Erin Yueh)
04:20.36charlie137so even c code is useful
04:21.08charlie137raster: glups, just when i need your help !
04:21.11rasterch actually it can vary a lot - the evas and edje ones miss many c api calls. i know the etk bindings miss many c etk calls so you often end up in a corner where you can't do anythign (but in c you can)
04:22.50charlie137raster: ok then just a question :
04:23.16charlie137when I use VBox and HBox, how do I request the size of the children ?
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04:23.40rastercharlie137: sorry about that - but if you have issues with it - take them up with sean. it's his company and i can't stay at it as he wants it.
04:23.54rastercharlie137: children request their own size
04:23.58rasteri think their minimum size
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04:24.33rasteryou can request a size i think
04:24.40rasteretk_widget_size_request_set()
04:24.50rasteretk_widget_size_request()
04:24.52CVirusraster: your tasks are done with om ?
04:24.59CVirusthat's why you're leaving ?
04:25.44rastercharlie137: remember.. i didnt write etk - so i go look at the .h files to find this out :)
04:25.51rasteror read the c code :)
04:25.59charlie137raster: ok...
04:26.12roolysnickers
04:26.13charlie137raster: I like digging c code
04:26.14rasteri wrote evas/edje/eet/ etc.
04:26.16roolyraster doesn't like python
04:26.20rasterthe things below etkl
04:26.33rasterrooly: thats not my primary reason for leaving
04:26.38rasterCVirus: no.
04:26.39roolyi woudl HOPE not
04:26.43rasteri have several
04:26.50rasteri get along great with mickey
04:26.52CVirusraster: can you state any ?
04:26.52rasterhe likes python
04:26.55rasterwe agree to disagree
04:26.59rasterand we both meet in the middle
04:27.03rasterpython has a place
04:27.07rasterfor rapid development of apps
04:27.12rasterand small simple apps/toys
04:27.18rasterfor major core apps i thnk its bad
04:27.38roolywhat's the qtopia written in
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04:27.45CVirusC++
04:27.58roolythen is it just slow because of illem and elightenment?
04:28.02rooly*illume
04:28.13opendeepjoin #python
04:28.15roolyor is it just written slow
04:28.27CVirusrooly: ask raster .. he wrote them :-)
04:28.40roolywell raster?
04:28.47roolywhy are the phone apps slow as well?
04:29.21roolyi mean, i'm no overclocking junkie, but i don't like waiting on things THAT much
04:29.30rasterCVirus: promises made and broken, agreements dishonored, om changed from the place i was asked to join entirely by the time i actually turned up, being insulted, unreliability, micro-management of technical details from people entirely devoid of technical knowledge, disconnect between what om really is and the communities image of it etc...
04:29.31CVirusraster: Where do you "personally" see this project going ?
04:29.46CIA-48openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ref100b6f74a5 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: move to version with less debugging
04:30.33roolymeh, that's usually the problem with these kinds of projects
04:30.39rooly(look at the xo olpc)
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04:30.49rasterrooly: 1. qt used by qtopia poreted back to x11 is very inefficient
04:30.53rasterso qtopia apps are generally slow
04:31.01slaxxinno it microsucks
04:31.04roolyic
04:31.05raster2. no prelink used so big c++ apps take a while to resovle symbols
04:31.19roolyright
04:31.32raster3. illume/e really have no effect on the speed. ask people who use FSO (whihc also uses illume+e)
04:31.45roolygood to know
04:31.47rasteras such efl apps start really fast
04:31.48raster< 1 sec
04:31.56CVirustrue
04:32.00rastergtk apps take almost double that
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04:32.12rasterpython stuff can be longer (regardless of toolkit)
04:32.13slaxxinso dont just get mad an leave
04:32.26CVirusslaxxin: he has the right
04:33.02roolyso guys
04:33.12rasterslaxxin: dude - not a matter of getting mad. if someone promises you X - you then join a company, then they do not provide X - and avoid it, then finally when pressed admit they never intended to give X - do you staty? can you trust such a place?
04:33.13roolywho's up for a port of the python apps to c
04:33.38rasteri wont go into details
04:33.55CVirusraster: Where do you "personally" see this project going ?
04:33.57rooly<PROTECTED>
04:34.02CVirusLOL
04:34.20roolyand a geisha just won't cut it
04:34.24roolydamned sex ninjas...
04:34.26charlie137rooly: and where was the beer volcano ?
04:34.36roolyi drank it, i'm afraid
04:34.42roolyoops
04:34.45rooly"it got lost in the mail"\
04:35.50roolyANYwho
04:35.53roolylets party
04:35.59roolygive raster a farewell party
04:36.02roolyi'll buy the hookers
04:36.10rasterbeyond that - but i was assured and promised of a few things about om. i joined on those assurances and conditions - whihc i have in writing. those were not lived up to - not as a mistake, but as a "i dont intend to honor that agreement" or "i intend to make excuses about not honoring it until you go away and stop bothering me". if you can't trust the company - why stay there? not going to make any further agreements on anythnig unless t
04:36.10rasterhe primary original agreements are lived up to.
04:36.41rasterand its not trivial stuff like "but you said you'd buy me lunch"
04:36.46rasterits core important stuff
04:37.03roolyyou wanted lobsters? not just a tuna salad
04:37.13rooly(i'm just having fun, not insulting ya)
04:37.16rasterconsider it the same level of importance as if someoen agrees to pay you $80,000/year but they end up paying you $40,000 and just make excuses for the rest
04:37.20rasterits that level of importance
04:37.26rasternothnig to do with the project or products
04:37.43roolyjust like always
04:37.49roolyfoss projects can't have a leader
04:38.00roolythey die
04:38.16rasterCVirus:  "this project" meaning what exactly?
04:38.30CVirusOM as a hardware and framework
04:38.39rasterwait
04:38.47rasteryou really need to divide om up
04:38.49rasterframework
04:38.53rastera distribution and hardware
04:38.58rasterthey are separate thnigs
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04:39.30CVirustrue
04:39.42CVirusdistribution wise ?
04:39.57rasterom as a distro is just a version of OE
04:40.07rasterso really - its OE for the OM hardware
04:40.17rasterso as such - that can continue with or without OM.
04:40.27raster(the company or hardware)
04:40.37rasterso i see OM (distro) and OE as the same thing really
04:40.46rasteras for framework - that depends on OM
04:40.55rasterOm has flip-flopped about doing infra
04:41.07rasterfrom supporitng it to just "lets do a new piece of software for every product"
04:41.10rasterand back and forth
04:41.14rasteras for hardware
04:41.27rasterOM really needs to stop kidding itself on hardware and quality and improve
04:41.36rasterif it does - there is a future.
04:41.42rasterbut given current hardware issues
04:41.52rasterthe FR is still a prototype phone i'd say
04:42.02roolyagrees
04:42.13CVirusagrees too
04:43.01CVirusis frustrated
04:43.05rasterstyle-wise it's unique
04:43.09rasterbut not that stylish
04:43.16rasterit needs to have a design that works
04:43.20rasterif u want a finger-based us
04:43.22rastererr
04:43.22rasterui
04:43.37rasterthen use a capacitive ts, dont indent your screen inside a bezel
04:43.45CVirusraster: don't you have any secret plans of starting a similar company ;-) ?
04:44.07rasterthe hardware in terms of "specS" is well behind modern competitors for the price range (speed, capacity etc.)
04:44.11rasterits checkbox list isnt bad
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04:44.23rasterwith wifi, bt, vga screen, etc.
04:44.51roolyis always so happy when he goes back to om2007
04:45.26rasterbut without 3g, and with the fairly slow cpu, glamo and slow flash/sdio, usb1 - it's got limited appeal to those who want something more up to date
04:45.33rasterCVirus: dunno. doing hardware is expensive - and frankly i can't do it all
04:45.51rasterand i dont have a wallet full of cash to go fund it
04:46.01roolywell, do software
04:46.44krayonhmm, I didn't know it had competitors really.
04:47.31CVirusraster: find a sponsor ?
04:47.35CVirusfunder ?
04:47.38CViruswhatever that is called
04:48.11undrwaterventure capitalist?
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04:48.23CVirusthe community is full of developers that can get together
04:48.31CVirusmove along together
04:49.19rasterundrwater: find a vc who isnt a vulture - who actually can be hands-off and trust the bsuiness/tech - and not want your entire arm and leg too.. sure.
04:49.20raster:)
04:49.48rasterCVirus: thats the problem. it'd be possible - but u'd need a hefty sum of $. if you know people with that $ floating about...
04:49.51raster:)
04:50.03undrwaterraster: had my tongue in my cheek...but if i find santa claus...i'll send him your way ;)
04:50.12krayon*sigh*  It's always the wrong people with all the money :P
04:50.14rasterhahyahah
04:50.20CVirushaha
04:51.14CVirusat least Sean doesn't like java like those google folks :-p
04:53.00rasterhahahahha
04:53.18rasterCVirus:  in many ways its just the same
04:53.25rasters/java/python/g
04:53.26rasterie
04:53.31rasterbuzzword
04:53.39rasteri like to think of a balanced view
04:53.45rastereverything has its place
04:53.53rasterreality will be a heterogeneous environment
04:54.00roolymeh...i've been arguing for days now with a kid that java is slow...not as slow as python, but still slow
04:54.09rastersome things c, some c++, some java, some python etc.
04:54.28rasterreality will end up there if you dont want to alienate a lot of people and force them into 1 box
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04:56.04rasteri do think that the phone as a platfomr - and ultimately an open platform is going to catch on
04:56.10rasterit already has interest in many circles
04:56.15rasterom is just the first off the block
04:56.21rasterthere will be others who do mostly open
04:56.35rasterie - they might have to settle for closed binary-only opengl drivers for example
04:56.46rasterbut can do normal 2d and pretty much everything else open
04:56.49rasterwifi may be a problem too
04:56.57rasterbut most stuff can be open
04:57.03rasterand mayeb a 98% open phone might work
04:57.16rasterdont want closed? then remove the gl libs (for example)
04:57.24rasteras long as the core ui can work without gl...
04:57.39rasterand i'd say making it require gl would be silly
04:58.48roolyanywho
04:58.50roolyit's my bedtime
04:58.52roolynn everyone
04:59.01charlie137raster: sorry to interrupt
04:59.04rasternite!
04:59.05charlie137raster: the directory http://docs.enlightenment.org/api/etk/ is empty
04:59.07rasterch no probds
04:59.31CMcharlie137: Yeah, noticed that with the other docs too
04:59.33charlie137raster: still, every time i google "etk something" i have link to this
04:59.43rasterch casualty in our svn move
04:59.45raster:(
05:00.24rasterch seriously.. i wouldnt rely so much on docs
05:00.29raster.h files are always what i use
05:00.36CMHehe
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05:01.22rasterhmm
05:01.26rasteretk docs are good actually
05:01.31rasterwow
05:01.44rastercharlie137: do u have the src?
05:01.53raster(svn checkout of the e tree) ?
05:02.40rasterif you do
05:02.43rastergo into the etk dir
05:02.45raster./gendoc
05:02.46rasterbingo
05:02.48rasterin docs/
05:02.54rasteru'll have manpages, html, latex etc. docs
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05:03.20rasteryou just need doxygen installed
05:03.24rasterits pretty eash
05:03.25rastereasy
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05:04.29rastersvn co http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e
05:04.37rastercd e/trunk/etk
05:04.46raster./gendoc
05:05.37rasterfirefox ./doc/html/index.html
05:05.39raster:)
05:05.46rasteru dont need internet anymore
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05:16.36undrwaterhow far can you zoom locations?
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05:30.18rasteroooh wow...
05:30.41torindel?
05:30.44rastermaybe... - just maybe.... i have spotted a chip that could be a glamo replacement... :)
05:30.49rasteroh well... a bit late now
05:31.17torindel;]
05:31.36torindelraster: link?
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05:32.38rasterno links
05:32.41rastergot it in email
05:32.58rasterno idea if i can say anything about it currently
05:32.59raster:)
05:33.17torindelmanufacter/partnumber? ;]
05:33.32rasterjust going into first production runs
05:33.37rasterso... nothing to say yet
05:33.38raster:)
05:34.06rasterneed more info
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05:37.25Sargunraster, designer?
05:37.41rasternot entirely sure
05:37.48rasterlooks like a startup
05:37.53rasterbut they want to have open drivers
05:38.11rasterand are targetting x11(kkdrive) ad their aim
05:38.22rastertho they want to target subnotebook (atom) not cellhpone first
05:38.27rasterbut could target phones...
05:38.28rasteranyway
05:38.34rasterwill find out
05:38.36rasterits interesting
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05:42.12InfinyteErm.. How can you get the internet working on the Debian install? It doesn't even come with iwconfig. o_O
05:46.42lindi-Infinyte: you install iwconfig
05:50.11torindelInfinyte: boot into working os, get internet working, copy /etc/resolv.conf to your debian partition, chroot, install iwconfig and whatever you need
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05:53.38InfinyteAhhh
05:53.41InfinyteDanke
05:53.42Infinyte:>
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06:10.50charlie137raster: thanks
06:14.45rasterch works?
06:14.48rastercharlie137: works?
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06:15.26charlie137raster: still downloading.... (i went out and saw your message just 5 minutes ago)
06:16.04rasteraaah
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06:34.37InfinyteErg.. I keep getting No Route to Hose error when tryin' to ssh into my Neo.
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06:37.15erl_so, raster, what will you be doing now?
06:37.40KenSentMeInfinyte, tried this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Simple_Manual_Linux_Configuration
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06:38.12InfinyteYeah. :\
06:39.01KenSentMeInfinyte, if you do ifconfig on your desktop/laptop, does usb0 have 192.168.0.200 address?
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06:39.47rastererl_: taking a break
06:39.48raster:)
06:40.09InfinyteGood question, just a sec. Mah Neo is rebootin'.
06:42.23InfinyteKay
06:42.24InfinyteHmm
06:42.27InfinyteYes, it does.
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06:44.43KenSentMeInfinyte, and can you ping 192.168.0.202?
06:45.33InfinyteNo. Buncha "Destination Host Unreachable"'s.
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06:49.27KenSentMeInfinyte, in what ip range are your other network devices, like eth0 or something?
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06:50.14Infinyteeth0 Is 192.168.1.137
06:51.08InfinyteErm, hmm. I suppose it might have something to do with my recolve.conf file, before this happened I had added the configuration for wlan at the bottom. Per the Debian instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#WLAN
06:51.37KenSentMeInfinyte, you are running Debian?
06:51.38marcinsoodid anyone try plug fr in xp ?
06:51.55InfinyteAye, and it WAS working a bit ago. :\
06:52.32KenSentMeInfinyte, sadly i am no network guru, and i haved tried debian on the freerunner yet.
06:52.57KenSentMeCan you check what ip address the freerunner has on the device itself?
06:52.57undrwaterInfinyte: you may have this right...but it is /etc/resolv.conf
06:53.22InfinyteRight, unfortunatly I have no way to access that. Cause I can't seem to access the terminal in the Debian OS.
06:53.28Infinyte:\
06:53.37undrwaterno usb?
06:53.53InfinyteNo, I keep getting No route to host.
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06:55.02InfinyteHmm, I might actually be able to access Debians folder through QTopia, considering they're all on the SD card in FAT format.
06:55.06undrwaterdmesg shows no cdc_ether?
06:55.17InfinyteI'll try that and see if I can fix the resolve.conf
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07:01.24InfinyteHmm
07:01.26InfinyteInteresting.
07:02.13InfinyteGuess I'll have to reinstall Debian.
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10:09.56Arcnetum...
10:10.14ArcnetSomeone knows where you can change settings in the current daily build?
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11:01.28evoluxi'm trying to import my contacts onto my freerunner. I tried the scriptn from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts but they don't work. Some dbus methods seem to be unavailable.
11:05.14dns53i think that only worked with the August distro
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11:06.24XorAFLOOD!!!!!!
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11:06.56CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r171cde32d765 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): webkit gtk: bump SRCREV
11:06.56CIA-48openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openmoko.dev * r3c30438e8cfe 10/packages/nfs-utils/nfs-utils_1.1.2.bb: nfs-utils : Fix support for util-linux-ng. See bug #4459.
11:06.58CIA-48openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * rd8ae5019128b 10/packages/linux/linux-rp-2.6.26/defconfig-collie: linux-rp: add jffs as buildin for collie
11:06.59CIA-48openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * r25772e621ebb 10/ (46 files in 8 dirs): files: add some stuff to device_table_add-mmc.txt and rename it to
11:07.02CIA-48openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * r7c68ca4adad1 10/ (47 files in 9 dirs): merge of '406c90b8a818c97f925962469fd82f2ed13008f4'
11:07.05CIA-48openmoko: 03andrea.adami 07org.openmoko.dev * r23cfbe114de3 10/packages/nandlogical/ (4 files in 2 dirs): nandlogical: initial release. closes 4470.
11:07.08CIA-48openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r5d40a3cd79b8 10/site/ (mips-linux mipsel-linux): add glib-2.0 entries to mips[-el]-linux. closes bug #2185
11:07.13CIA-48openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r020c4c33acfa 10/site/ (mips-linux mipsel-linux): merge of '3d37ffd4df7a43763fa8642112a238989e1e85ae'
11:07.16CIA-48openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rd2ac1db88766 10/packages/strace/ (strace/mips-sigcontext.patch strace_4.5.14.bb): strace 4.5.14 fix compiling for mips[-el]. closes bug #2221
11:07.21CIA-48openmoko: 03 07org.openmoko.dev * r7122a127c349 10/classes/kernel.bbclass: kernel.bbclass: use KERNEL_OUTPUT where possible
11:07.24CIA-48openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * rfa4a35aa3b93 10/classes/kernel.bbclass: merge of '0c6c5626491aa3d427ad2222eaa182e53154da9e'
11:07.27CIA-48openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * rd677d5b35d91 10/packages/kexecboot/ (initramfs-kexecboot_1.0.bb initramfs_kexecboot_1.0.bb): kexecboot: fix build of initramfs-kexecboot-image
11:07.30CIA-48openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * re1462ace7496 10/packages/kexecboot/ (initramfs-kexecboot_1.0.bb initramfs_kexecboot_1.0.bb): merge of '4d50db658eb49ec921eb903f0d6f18de6e4b5dd8'
11:07.37CIA-48openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r4242e283b98b 10/packages/nandlogical/nandlogical_1.0.0.bb: nandlogical: set COMPATIBLE_MACHINE to c7x0 for now until somebody compiles an authoritative list.
11:07.46CIA-48openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r907e0ab071b5 10/ (7 files in 5 dirs): merge of '434c9b83795714321c5e83703daa92ea144962c8'
11:07.49CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rec8bb29cc2fc 10/packages/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_git.bb: ffmpeg git: bump SRCREV for arm
11:07.52CIA-48openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * re5fa8612cf9b 10/packages/glibc/ (glibc.inc glibc_2.6.1.bb): glibc: use ARM instruction set always - it is not buildable with Thumb - close #1708
11:07.55CIA-48openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * r05cc4e72402b 10/packages/gsoap/ (3 files in 2 dirs): gsoap-native: unbreak build - close #2373
11:08.00CIA-48openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rddb8a2c643cf 10/packages/dgen/ (dgen-sdl-1.23/fix-configure-and-make.patch dgen-sdl_1.23.bb): dgen-sdl 1.23 fix build. closes #1255
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11:08.03CIA-48openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r4309d91dd7f2 10/ (13 files in 8 dirs): merge of '5fce36059a59f5f0270baf7f4ddbb9cb496ea312'
11:08.14CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rab62a33347dc 10/packages/linux/linux-neuros_git.bb: linux-neuros: bump SRCREV
11:08.17CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r5d3a3a3ea121 10/packages/neuros-pkggen/ (files/package.c neuros-pkggen-native.bb): neuros-pkggen: sync with neuros git
11:08.18ZoupMy free runner is slow :) scrolling take a while to scroll , etc etc , is this normal ?
11:08.20CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rc4280e1edc0a 10/packages/neuros-public/ (6 files): neuros public: update nwm, mainmenu and lib-widgets, add skeleton for photoalbum, vplayer and lib-gui
11:08.23AinulindaleThat's nice :-)
11:08.25CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rf4efc6b0d6ed 10/packages/vlc/vlc-davinci_0.8.6h.bb: vlc-davinci: bump SRCREV
11:08.28CIA-48openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * r4d2a8a82f3cb 10/packages/fontconfig/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fontconfig: added 2.6.0 from Poky - should close #2951
11:08.31CIA-48openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * r474f86aa8e3b 10/packages/fontconfig/ (4 files in 2 dirs): merge of '474680366447a4dab2f989364e5d93df82ff5054'
11:08.40CIA-48openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openmoko.dev * r28f09655d69d 10/packages/nfs-utils/nfs-utils_1.1.2.bb: merge of 'b7175a8d7fdb02e01e375f3df1f6ab39e8ef01ed'
11:08.43CIA-48openmoko: 03hrw 07org.openmoko.dev * rfc2ee24d89e7 10/packages/opensync/libopensync-0.36/ (build-in-src.patch cmake.patch no-python-check.patch): libopensync: added missing patches for 0.36
11:08.50CIA-48openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * rd85f3c2c5fca 10/packages/kexecboot/ (5 files in 2 dirs): kexecboot-initramfs: wait some seconds before startup
11:08.53CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r50c2f11edbfc 10/packages/nfs-utils/nfs-utils_1.1.2.bb: merge of '3d8fcb3e38b76cf853ceee12d6cd8f1d518b546b'
11:08.56CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rdf2525b1f6a6 10/packages/libusb/ (12 files in 5 dirs): libusb1: update to 0.9.2 for bugfixes and update the compatlayer to beta2 also for bugfixes
11:09.03CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r2986e2bd9a6d 10/packages/ (8 files in 4 dirs): merge of '1ebb8320b743c004de3edbcfb17ea43a7cfbe6b2'
11:09.06CIA-48openmoko: 03thesing 07org.openmoko.dev * rd83e8b19089e 10/packages/ (42 files in 22 dirs): merge of '59560bb699e5c53442482270321f0392e8772228'
11:09.15CIA-48openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r076e8b2fe412 10/ (packages/rrdtool/rrdtool_1.0.49.bb site/common): rrdtool: generalize test for IEEE math into site/common. Thanks, koen, for pointing this out.
11:09.16WeissZoup: 2007.2? it's got a lot better in ASU
11:09.18CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r301a454f77d2 10/packages/qmake/qmake2-sdk_2.10a.bb: qmake-sdk: update to 4.4.1
11:09.19ikeOh my!
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11:09.23CIA-48openmoko: 03rwhitby 07org.openmoko.dev * ra212160e7711 10/packages/numptyphysics/numptyphysics_svn.bb: numptyphysics: Add -lX11 to LDOPTS to fix build
11:09.30CIA-48openmoko: 03rwhitby 07org.openmoko.dev * rd3b1dec3a438 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs: Updated linux-openmoko rev to match XorA's change in OM repo
11:09.33CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rf6c1c0a79855 10/conf/distro/ (2 files in 2 dirs): angstrom 2008: prefer a newer glib and gtk+
11:09.40CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rba85c0215053 10/conf/machine/beagleboard.conf: beagleboard: switch to using xorg
11:09.43CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r71ad63a9301c 10/packages/tasks/task-base.bb: task-base: bump PR
11:09.46CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r29fac407cf7f 10/packages/linux/ (linux-neuros/neuros-osd2/defconfig linux-neuros_git.bb): linux-neuros git: enable oprofile
11:09.49CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r8137f57885ef 10/ (conf/machine/beagleboard.conf packages/tasks/task-base.bb): merge of '5a2fb2965a905224af0a1e26d73f342ecf8944e8'
11:09.54ikeHow long will it be flooding? :-)
11:09.56CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rcfb6ed1d29e9 10/packages/linux/linux-neuros_git.bb: linux-neuros: bump SRCREV for more fb fixes
11:09.59CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r6df121261897 10/packages/alsa/ (4 files): alsa-*: update to 1.0.17
11:10.06WonkaXorA: how did you know?
11:10.08CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r8b33bde42131 10/packages/x-load/x-load_git.bb: x-load: bump SRCREV to get NAND boot working when there's no MMC inserted
11:10.13CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r30bf862a42e3 10/packages/u-boot/u-boot_git.bb: u-boot git: bump SRCREV for beagleboard for i2c fixes
11:10.14ikeWonka: Magic
11:10.15ike?
11:10.16CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r2cea9cc64a8d 10/contrib/source-checker/oe-source-checker.py: oe-source-checker.py: use regular oe_sha256sum since OE doesn't build its own version anymore
11:10.23CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r40688706e7e4 10/conf/checksums.ini: checksums.ini: merge in checksums from 4 angstrom buildhosts and poky
11:10.26CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rec692580dfb8 10/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa_2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix20031107.inc: openzaurus pxa 2.4.18: update SRC_URI to point to oz.org, the ezaurus URL seems to be corrupt
11:10.27Wonkaike: ah, sufficiently advanced technology
11:10.31CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rad98740431ba 10/classes/autotools.bbclass: autotools.bbclass: check if pkgconfig dir exists before trying to copy out pkgconfig files
11:10.31ike;-))
11:10.36CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r0944a0c906e7 10/classes/autotools.bbclass: merge of '26ec78f4f59453ecd4343ab4c92d4787ab5a81fe'
11:10.39CIA-48openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r40552fbe6422 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): merge of '453683170be608ea537c8e9133e9808544d8ac3c'
11:10.44CIA-48openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r9e4b744670b8 10/packages/oprofile/ (5 files in 2 dirs): oprofile 0.9.3: Fixed armv7a patch to actually distribute armv7 event files.
11:10.47CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r8395f3c0fefb 10/packages/numptyphysics/ (3 files in 2 dirs): numptyphysics: add patch to build it with gcc 4.3
11:10.51dns53or we can blame him for being responsible for it
11:10.52CIA-48openmoko: 03stefan 07org.openmoko.dev * rf5eeb4b683ad 10/packages/freesmartphone/illume-theme-freesmartphone_git.bb: illume-theme-freesmartphone: Build theme from source.
11:10.55CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r7f9810e34a9b 10/packages/x-load/x-load_git.bb: x-load: bump SRCREV and PV
11:11.00CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rbf55a9b83dbb 10/packages/freesmartphone/illume-theme-freesmartphone_git.bb: merge of '9e9036263aa2cf4c53293c1bd44b54810ab8834f'
11:11.05CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r076e7509fa3b 10/packages/linux/linux-omap2_git.bb: linux-omap2 git: bump SRCREV to get GPTIMER irq fix
11:11.08CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r0c1150228363 10/packages/qt4/qt_staging.inc: qt4 staging: add a || true to the cp
11:11.11CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r2c57de15fa5d 10/packages/u-boot/u-boot_git.bb: u-boot: fix bump SRCREV for neuros-osd2 to fix HDCP handshake
11:11.16CIA-48openmoko: 03xora 07org.openmoko.dev * r3c98007062fc 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs : update linux-openmoko
11:11.19CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r07267c2b9fd4 10/packages/dsplink/ (codec-engine_2.10.bb dsplink.inc ti-paths.inc): dsplink, codec-engine: put common paths in a .inc file so more recipes can share them
11:11.22CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rc70a45bb729f 10/packages/vala/ (vala-native_0.3.4.bb vala_0.3.4.bb): vala(-native): add 0.3.4
11:11.27Weissmerge of DOOM?
11:11.28viqGods, that's some commit spam
11:11.29CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r53f0cf59e882 10/conf/machine/om-gta01.conf: om-gtao1: use += for image types
11:11.32CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r0d9cbce19b32 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): linux-openmoko.inc: sync with openmoko so package upgrade doesn't &*$(*@$(@ erase my kernel partition again
11:11.35CIA-48openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openmoko.dev * r8121a3274b13 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): linux-davinci : Add patch to solve strange serial console behavior.
11:11.44torindelSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAM
11:11.44CIA-48openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openmoko.dev * rd0cc2fd24c57 10/ (189 files in 70 dirs): merge of '05dd48c35e7fc8bd8ec725a975682953f4e2eb8b'
11:11.45CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rda961bc1614c 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): merge of '003d5589c32126d84385935351087e649339386a'
11:11.48CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r2b2256d59b5f 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (xserver-kdrive-common/Xserver xserver-kdrive-common_0.1.bb): xserver-kdrive-common: fix up GTA0* entries in non-openmoko Xserver script, now we have a working touchscreen again
11:11.52CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r9e4f44bc104a 10/packages/linux/ (linux-openmoko/defconfig-oe linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb): linux-openmoko 2.6.24+git: make bt and sound builtin, stash PR between version and git rev to get something monotonically increasing
11:11.56CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r18d7c73dd025 10/packages/bluez/ (bluez-utils/hcid.conf bluez-utils_3.33.bb): bluez-utils: restore device naming behaviour that got lost after removing bluez-utils-3.x from FILESPATH
11:12.06CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re2eb27e900b7 10/packages/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_git.bb: ffmpeg git: switch from 'arm-neon' to 'arm' branch for arm
11:12.09CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rec3bc08b42a2 10/packages/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_git.bb: ffmpeg git: add note on how to keep software working
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11:12.12CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * ra480a1ffbcfe 10/packages/gstreamer/gst-ffmpeg_0.10.4.bb: gst-ffmpeg: bump PR, ffmpeg changed SOVERSION
11:12.13Wonkabluez? where's my pand?
11:12.15CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rc2661af67cf1 10/packages/openmax/libomxil-bellagio_0.9.0.bb: libomxil: bump PR, ffmpeg changed SOVERSION
11:12.18CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rd114752989fa 10/packages/netbase/ (3 files in 3 dirs): netbase: remove resolv.conf hack from om-gta0* that keeps overwriting working resolv.conf files with broken ones
11:12.21CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rc73a2ec2c53f 10/packages/resolvconf/resolvconf_1.41.bb: resolvconf: add 1.41
11:12.34CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re709fa19b346 10/conf/machine/adzs-bf548-ezlite.conf: adzs-bf548-ezlite: adjust serial console setting
11:12.37CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r3c0000e7793d 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf: angstrom 2008: use gcc 4.1.2 for blackfin
11:12.40CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r8900e965d24c 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf: angstrom 2008: fix typo
11:12.43CIA-48openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r95ff00f12cf3 10/packages/curl/ (6 files): curl 7.18.0 update to 7.18.2
11:12.43Wonkaerased kernel partition? i'd be happy if my microsdhc partition table would not be erased every now and then
11:12.46CIA-48openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rb104477b6c50 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: update curl and pycurl
11:12.49CIA-48openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rb3945301bac5 10/classes/distutils.bbclass: distutils.bbclass: allow specifying arguments to the build command
11:13.04CIA-48openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * rb558e709976e 10/packages/python/ (4 files in 2 dirs): python-pycurl 7.16.4 update to 7.18.2; use dynamic linking
11:13.07CIA-48openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r82f66e04322e 10/packages/python/ (3 files in 2 dirs): python-edje cvs add debian patch fixing unicode conversion
11:13.10CIA-48openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r26a769aa6feb 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): python 2.5.2 include low level _bsddb module in python-bsd and DEPENDS += db
11:13.13CIA-48openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r95c6a60d087a 10/packages/images/fso-image.bb: fso-image: ship alsa-utils-amixer
11:13.16CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r91bea741c18d 10/packages/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_git.bb: ffmpeg git: bump SRCREV
11:13.21CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rc6a47b6e6123 10/packages/ffmpeg/omapfbplay_git.bb: omapfbplay: bump PR
11:13.32CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r38e02712ca99 10/packages/linux/ (7 files in 2 dirs): linux-omap2 git: update to latest git, add Pauls latest serial hang patch set
11:13.35CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * red991ece35ae 10/packages/mythtv/gmyth_0.7.1.bb: gmyth: add 0.7.1
11:13.38CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * rf2749d3abecf 10/packages/totem/totem-pl-parser_2.23.3.bb: totem-pl-parser: add 2.23.3
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11:13.43CIA-48openmoko: 03svolpe 07org.openmoko.dev * r36930e8580ef 10/packages/directfb/fusionsound_1.0.0.bb: fusionsound: drop old version 1.0.0
11:13.46CIA-48openmoko: 03svolpe 07org.openmoko.dev * ra3a8212f74f5 10/packages/directfb/fusionsound_1.0.0.bb: merge of '5a1eeba70ddedb225afa7bcf6a948e3d1e376069'
11:13.53CIA-48openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r8e35f637d26e 10/packages/python/ (6 files in 3 dirs): python-pygame 1.7.1 update to 1.8.1 and stage headers
11:14.02XorAWonka: coz I typed git-push :-)
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11:14.09CIA-48openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.dev * r2117b4dc67f6 10/packages/ (9 files in 5 dirs): merge of 'c05229a8c5246cada336c3cfe5a3417367366836'
11:14.12CIA-48openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r11d45979b471 10/packages/gettext/gettext_0.17.bb: merge of '355866fda3e7098f7d30f22852c4e3ad5145126b'
11:14.15CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * ra4f05d48dbfb 10/packages/sugar/ (.mtn2git_empty sugar-toolkit_0.82.1.bb): sugar toolkit: add 0.82.1
11:14.20CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * re2c098bacbd1 10/packages/sugar/sugar_0.82.0.bb: sugar: add 0.82.0
11:14.23CIA-48openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * rf0d4c2f0dec6 10/packages/gstreamer/ (gst-ffmpeg/autotools.patch gst-ffmpeg_0.10.2.bb): gst-ffmpeg: fix building with libtool2 and above
11:14.32WonkaXorA: ah. like the guy with the pulled plug.
11:14.34CIA-48openmoko: 03thebohemian 07org.openmoko.dev * r7ce01f67628d 10/packages/openjade/ (openjade-native_1.3.2.bb openjade_1.3.2.bb): openjade 1.3.2: Fix messing up compiler arguments.
11:14.37CIA-48openmoko: 03 07org.openmoko.dev * rab1a03af9c0f 10/packages/proxy-libintl/ (4 files in 2 dirs): proxy-libintl: From #4370, dummy replacement for gettext.
11:14.40CIA-48openmoko: 03likewise 07org.openmoko.dev * rd8be5d24b623 10/packages/gnash/gnash-minimal.inc: gnash-minimal: Add libltdl DEPENDS.
11:14.45CIA-48openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * rb8221b3fbb96 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-qvga_svn.bb: openmoko-icon-theme: exlclude from world build because it DEPENDS on librsvg-native which is not in OE.
11:14.49CIA-48openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r765d091baba8 10/packages/midpath/ (3 files): midpath: depend on qte-mt instead of the non-existant qt-mt
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11:15.25CIA-48openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * rc9f72f50b2ca 10/packages/ (10 files in 6 dirs): merge of '43c09a2a2c1a6b190622823b1298024c62058416'
11:15.28CIA-48openmoko: 03rwhitby 07org.openmoko.dev * rd3d01c32b234 10/packages/python/python-pygame_1.8.1.bb: python-pygame: Fix typo in SRC_URI
11:15.31CIA-48openmoko: 03rwhitby 07org.openmoko.dev * rf3a1e4a73bd7 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: openmoko.conf: Define PREFERRED_PROVIDER_qte, even though it's not used, just to shut bitbake up.
11:15.38CIA-48openmoko: 03rwhitby 07org.openmoko.dev * r5378fcfad466 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: Fix some versions that don't exist - set them to the versions that currently build.
11:15.42CIA-48openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * re4c45c07f9d6 10/packages/ (19 files in 10 dirs): merge of '903b9a5eb1d39b78da1e187836b7e48392af7847'
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11:15.51CIA-48openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r498252bd0155 10/packages/sphyrna/sphyrna-python_svn.bb: sphyrna: generalize FILES_sphyrna-python definition
11:15.54CIA-48openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r77a2eed2d9f5 10/packages/images/e-image.bb: e-image: fix spelling mistake and comment out non-existant task. Closes 2752.
11:15.57CIA-48openmoko: 03khem 07org.openmoko.dev * r5850d4dbbfa1 10/packages/ (13 files in 4 dirs): This adds a package name alias virtual-libc-dev for libc-dev(uclibc)
11:16.04CIA-48openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r5da7b1e2201c 10/packages/images/e-image.bb: merge of '09677f41336b5e88788fbe514da56769201c3f97'
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11:16.10CIA-48openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openmoko.dev * r8db9b5e44361 10/packages/libqpe/ (libqpe-opie/argv.patch libqpe-opie_cvs.bb): libqpe: fix argv double varname in qpeapplication.h
11:16.19CIA-48openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * rc091af02374a 10/packages/gpe-contacts/gpe-contacts_0.49.bb: gpe-contacts: add 0.49
11:16.22CIA-48openmoko: 03pb 07org.openmoko.dev * r8c2cd407280b 10/packages/gpe-login/gpe-login_0.95.bb: gpe-login: add 0.95
11:16.25CIA-48openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r99461b6dd26f 10/packages/libqpe/ (libqpe-opie/argv.patch libqpe-opie_cvs.bb): merge of '62f049c7930cc7dcd9a1736a717fff802998ca78'
11:16.31mowahwhoa
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11:16.35CIA-48openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * rc992dc975259 10/packages/kdepimpi/ (5 files): merge of '10e6bf1f992b208b919b4fc707871e1e1ae7e91e'
11:16.38CIA-48openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r277be86f05ce 10/packages/librcf/librcf_0.4.bb: librcf: add $PN to PACKAGES
11:16.45CIA-48openmoko: 03Laibsch 07org.openmoko.dev * r8da7497be011 10/packages/librcf/librcf_0.4.bb: merge of '481cda07f650eec08e83f5f63d522be2fbcb6ff1'
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11:16.54ikeNow we know all bugs.
11:16.56CIA-48openmoko: 03oe 07org.openmoko.dev * r03b12c909ae7 10/packages/mozilla/firefox-3.0.1/mozconfig: merge of '21f8954c91db09af224e09720b99300cf59e6c65'
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11:16.58ikeIsn't it awesome?
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11:17.02CIA-48openmoko: 03utx 07org.openmoko.dev * recf68b2b16b9 10/packages/linux/linux-rp-2.6.26/ (6 files): linux-rp-2.6.26: Build DM9601 USB ethernet adapter module.
11:17.09CIA-48openmoko: 03khem 07org.openmoko.dev * rba89797d8681 10/packages/gcc/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Enable e300c2 and c3 support for gcc 4.3.1
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11:17.15CIA-48openmoko: 03ifaistos 07org.openmoko.dev * r71ff86bf84c4 10/packages/ffmpeg/ (ffmpeg.inc ffmpeg_0.4.9-pre1.bb): packages/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_0.4.9-pre1.bb : Disable mmx for x86
11:17.20CIA-48openmoko: 03crofton 07org.openmoko.dev * refbab8f5e31e 10/packages/synergy/ (3 files in 2 dirs): synergy : Add patch (from gentoo) to compile synergy with gcc 4.3.
11:17.23CIA-48openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.dev * r2c9da0d63c7d 10/packages/xorg-font/ (font-util_1.0.1.bb xfonts-xorg_6.8.bb xorg-font-common.inc): xorg-fonts: set package arch to all for fonts
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11:18.26ikeIs it over?
11:18.41ikeAre we therey yet?
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11:20.47Kamping_Kaiserhm. todays batch
11:21.21XorAfinished
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11:22.53XorAI think CIA gave up reporting actually :-D
11:23.16torindelwow it gave up 37 lines ;]
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11:23.36Kamping_Kaisernotes that calendarserver doesnt get reported on the site at all
11:23.47white_geckohello
11:24.07white_geckothere is no keyboard when i enter a password-field
11:24.13white_geckoin 2007 and 2008
11:24.55white_geckois it a known bug?
11:25.41bumblwhite_gecko: that's not a bug
11:25.49white_geckois it a feature?
11:25.50bumblthat's openmoko's design
11:25.53white_gecko:-S
11:25.53bumblyep
11:26.07white_geckobut how can i enter a password without a keyboard?
11:26.09bumblthe application has to request a keyboard
11:26.24bumblyou are unable to call it easily manually
11:26.37white_geckonow i install the ilume thing
11:26.37XorAall gtk+/qtopia/E apps should automatically ask for keyboard
11:26.57white_geckobut why does a password field not aks for a keyboard?
11:28.24bumblis it an app that is included with the distribution
11:28.42Zoupi have removed illume config icon by mistake , how can i recover that ?
11:29.03bumblif not the app does not use the feature
11:29.13bumblZoup: rm -r ~/.e/
11:29.26white_geckoit was in 2007 in pidgin
11:29.32bumbl<PROTECTED>
11:29.58white_geckoand in 2008 when i installed the set-root-password thing
11:30.13bumblwhite_gecko: yeah pidgin doesn't use the om commands
11:30.31white_geckoaha
11:30.38bumbland the set-root-password thing uses old calls while there are new ones for 2008.8
11:31.30bumbljust a guess though
11:31.35white_geckoaha
11:31.50white_geckohow can i make a "opkg upgrade" with 2008?
11:32.14white_geckoi get the error that i have not administrative access
11:32.23white_geckoi think because of the grafical installer
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11:37.07Bill_white_gecko: killall packagekitd
11:39.00white_geckois this nice?
11:39.23white_geckoah yes an other thing with kill and so
11:39.36white_geckohow do i quit a programm in 2008?
11:39.48white_geckothere is only the "remove" button
11:40.01white_geckobut it sounds to me like "kill -9"
11:42.20DocScrutinizerFor EMI-Noise see http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/noise_stopped_by_cut_pin4/ for a rework actually stopping noise
11:43.02DocScrutinizerthis is NO OFFICIAL REWORK recommendation (yet)
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11:47.52white_geckocool
11:48.14white_geckobut what was the function of pin4?
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11:53.58torindelwould prefer just cutting that pin with knife or something as you dont have to desolder whole jack connector and you can solder it back awhole if you need pin4 later again
11:54.27torindel(less risk to damage your phone)
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11:55.32DocScrutinizerpin4 is headset mic plus hold-button
11:56.20DocScrutinizerthis is step 1 of a rework to keep this function. We're not done yet. That's why it's not official yet
12:07.21white_geckobut is the hold button and the mic also on an other pin?
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12:09.00DocScrutinizerwhite_gecko: nope
12:10.45white_geckohm
12:11.31white_geckobut i think you will get it all working :-)
12:12.44DocScrutinizerwhite_gecko: see http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/noise_stopped_by_athena_rework/ - though this is fragile and doesn't fit into case
12:12.58DocScrutinizerwhite_gecko: we try to find a mix of both
12:13.48AinulindaleOh weird, there's an odt in that directory
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12:15.51Zoupi did removed illume configuration icon by mistake , now i am unable to access configuration menu , how can i recover  ( i have tried reinstalling , uninstalling and removing all config files )
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12:18.05white_geckoDocScrutinizer: cool, will my shop make the rework as warenty
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12:38.26t_s_ohmm, android with a limited bluetooth stack?
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12:43.55TorikunDave !
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12:44.41DocScrutinizerwhite_gecko: dunno...
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12:45.07DaveJoerg!
12:45.56DaveGood morning Tokyo!
12:45.56Torikunllol
12:45.56Dave:)
12:45.56TorikunOhayo
12:45.56TorikunGazaimasu
12:45.56Daveheh
12:45.56DocScrutinizerDave: seen http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise ?
12:45.56DaveNo! :o
12:45.56DaveDid you make a fix!? :D
12:46.02DaveThe mighty joerg battles the interference!?
12:46.10Torikunupdates? what? where? Shit still does not work!
12:46.12DocScrutinizeryup :-D
12:46.22Dave:D
12:46.24Torikunhow can you get wifi working on 2008
12:47.55thexceptionhi there. i have 2 problems: 1. i can boot the kernel only once then i need to disconenct and reconnect power to load it again. 2. i only can do exactly one call after it i only can receive calls with om2008. any ideas?
12:48.17DaveTorikun, you can't, 2008 is a bug.
12:48.22Torikunah
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12:50.14Dave:)
12:50.21DaveAnyhoo
12:53.04Torikunlots of updates this morning
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13:03.50DaveOh, is there now?
13:04.32Torikunyup lol
13:05.11DaveWe shall see.
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13:06.40Davepfft, you call that an update? :P
13:06.44Davefeh
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13:08.23hipitihopwaves hello to all
13:09.33hipitihopXorA, did the om/oe merge occur ?
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13:14.40Zorkman??? Joerg fixed the interference??
13:15.13ZorkmanDocScrutinizer: will this be possible for us mere mortals?
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13:16.08DocScrutinizerZorkman: not completely. and no, it's a very difficult rework only feasible with good skills for SMT and the right tools
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13:16.25Zorkmanok, thanks for the info DocScrutinizer
13:17.34ZorkmanI hope you have some aces up your sleeve to provide something feasable for us :)
13:17.42DocScrutinizerZorkman: but I will continue to try and improve on this interim work ;-) This is just to keep you informed, as clearly stated in my message
13:17.44ShellEvilNot all things are possible.
13:18.02ZorkmanDocScrutinizer: I/We really appreciate this
13:18.10ShellEvilIt's possible that a better fix may be worked out.
13:18.14white_geckowhat is the name of libglade-2 / libglade2 ?
13:18.28ZorkmanDocScrutinizer: Any objections if I post this to the mailinglist? I think a lot of people will be happy to see this still gets much attention
13:18.47white_geckoopkg install libglade-2 doesn't work for me an 2008.8
13:18.55DocScrutinizerI already did. It's stuck somewhere, takes another few minutes
13:18.58ShellEvilIt's already posted to the hardware mailing list - that a solution is sought
13:19.25ZorkmanShellEvil: I know that, and you know that, bot how many people read that list?
13:19.28ShellEvilWe found it's pin4 of JK4401 and only this pin that causes GSM-EMI-noise
13:19.29ShellEvilissue.
13:19.29ShellEvil...
13:19.35ShellEvilfrom jeorg
13:19.50Zorkmanwhite_gecko: tried
13:19.50Zorkmanlibglade-2.0
13:19.59thexceptionany idea why i only can boot once then i need to take out the battery and insert it again otherweise he's stuck at "Starting kernel ..."?
13:20.04DocScrutinizeranyway you may post a pointer to [hardware] ml on any list you like. But I won't care, and I won't update other lists
13:20.09Zorkman(when in doubt white_gecko do an opkg list |grep *whatyourarelookingfor*
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13:20.27Zorkmanok
13:20.46white_geckook
13:20.56ShellEvilSee:
13:21.02DocScrutinizerRe: GSM-noise "buzz" issue
13:21.06DocScrutinizerVon:
13:21.10DocScrutinizerJoerg Reisenweber <joerg@openmoko.org>
13:21.11DocScrutinizer<PROTECTED>
13:21.11DocScrutinizerhardware@lists.openmoko.org, Steven Mosher <steve@openmoko.com>, Michael Shiloh <michael@openmoko.org>, Wolfgang Spraul <wolfgang@openmoko.com>
13:21.11DocScrutinizer<PROTECTED>
13:21.11DocScrutinizer2008-08-26 14:22
13:21.12ShellEvilhttp://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-August/000267.html
13:21.19DocScrutinizer:-D
13:21.49Zorkman(already found it :) I hadn't read the hw list today yet)
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13:31.56hipitihopFor a few days now my fso-testing zhone does not register. It used to. Is there a cli I can use to test status and if necessary nudge it ?
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13:32.59isprinshttp://www.e28.com/solution_6_spec.asp  
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13:36.07isprinsweird, very little info on that phone on the net..
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13:37.39mickeylhipitihop: well, you have the whole dbus interface to your disposal
13:39.07hipitihopmickeyl, I was hoping something a; little higher level. It's on the list to come up to speed with though
13:39.17isprinsDoes anyone have any opinions on this phone?
13:39.18isprinshttp://www.e28.com/solution_6.asp
13:40.01mickeylhmm
13:40.05mickeylhigher level in how far?
13:40.11mickeylthe dbus API is pretty high level IMO
13:40.24jadamsthe dbus API seems great, btw mickeyl
13:40.29mickeylif you use it from Python or shell you don't need any wrappers or what
13:40.40jadamsI was excited when I first saw the plans for it, and I'm happy seeing it in implementation
13:40.42mickeyljadams: thanks. took me a while to figure the proper abstractions out
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13:42.00jadamsmickeyl, yeah...once I get the phone working to the point that I feel confident I can take it with me, I intend to write some ruby apps that interact with dbus (I know Python's the blessed language)
13:42.03ShleeIs milestone 3 looking at end of next week?
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13:42.31TorikunShellEvil: There are no milestones on this phone. ;ol
13:42.46TorikunWe are almost on Slump3
13:42.47hipitihopmickeyl, sorry I was not aware one could interact from cli .. python also on the list, sorry Smalltalk dev here ;-) would love to get the Squeak VM compiled on here but that's a seperate project
13:43.19mickeylright
13:43.21TorikunHOw is debian on the phone
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13:43.32mickeylhipitihop: check a couple of examples on the framework status reports
13:43.37mickeylyou will see that it's _very_ comfortable via dbus
13:43.44mickeylyou can control almost everything interactively
13:43.47mickeylvery convenient
13:44.04hipitihopsounnds nice
13:46.10hipitihopmickeyl, do you have handi link to the cli api to dbus ? .. looking through wiki in meantime
13:46.26mickeyldocs.freesmartphone.org
13:46.31mickeylbut even better is using mdbus
13:46.43mickeylusing mdbus you can completely introspect the whole API at runtime
13:46.56mickeylso you see all signals and methods with their according parameter types
13:47.43hipitihopneat
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13:48.11Zorkmanin http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/ there is still an older verison of tangogps
13:48.17Zorkmanwhere shouold i report this to?
13:48.25Zorkmanbugreport/mail?
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13:51.30DaveHello!
13:52.25evoluxcan someone tell me where I can buy a usb genderchanger so that i can use the usb port on the freerunner in host mode?
13:52.28DaveDocScrutinizer :)
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13:53.05cga`workDave, Zorkman !
13:53.15Zorkmanevolux: just google: first result: http://www.sourcingmap.com/usb-female-usb-mini-male-pin-adapter-cable-blue-p-18425.html
13:53.17cga`workdo you folks know about a car charger for the fr?
13:53.23Zorkmanllo cga`work
13:53.29Zorkmannope, but any usb car charger should work
13:53.40evoluxZorkman: hm, didn't expect they were so common. thank you ;-)
13:53.48Zorkmannp evolux
13:54.22cga`workZorkman, ok thanks. how about the voltage and amperage? are them all standard?
13:54.41edistarcga`work: yes, usb standard
13:54.46mjrusb dictates 5V
13:55.01Zorkmancga`work: voltage standard, but some will not be able to provide 1A or 0.5A maybe, that you should check
13:55.08mjryou might have to manually (or auto-programmatically, if you're feeling brave) enable fast charging though
13:55.10cga`workedistar, -.- usb is usb... i was talking about electricity
13:55.29edistarcga`work: yes, there are power supply regulations for usb
13:55.48cga`workZorkman, what  amperage should i get for fr?
13:55.53dariohi everyone, i'm trying to install python-math it is listed by opkg list but when i give opkg install python-math it says 'An error ocurred, return value: 2.' what can i do?
13:55.55Zorkmancga`work: you can also make one yourself: http://pinouts.ru/connectors/usb_a_b_male.gif
13:56.12DaveHow are you gentlemen
13:56.30cga`workZorkman, not willing too
13:56.31TorikunDave: All your base are belong to us
13:56.40ZorkmanWhat you say?
13:56.42dariosorry, i was misspelling it ;P
13:56.55cga`workDave, beware beware... the black shadow of cher!
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13:59.38TorikunThis new update kicks ass
13:59.47Torikunlooks so polished and nice
13:59.54cga`workTorikun, where? what? which?
14:00.08Torikun2008-826
14:00.21cga`workgonna try it
14:00.37Zorkmanisn't it +/- the same as 2008-08-update?
14:00.49Torikunyes
14:00.55TorikunZorkman: I am just reading the firmware
14:01.12Zorkmanwhat's better about it than for example the original 2008.8? or the 2008.8-update?
14:01.30TorikunXorA|lunch: looks like the iphone more and more
14:01.40TorikunPolished interface
14:01.45Torikunstill looking into it
14:01.54retracilescreenshots anywhere?
14:02.03cga`workcan i buy it? :P
14:02.15toggles_wTorikun: url?
14:02.25Torikunopkg update and opkg upgrade lol
14:02.37cga`workTorikun, no extra repos ?
14:02.48Torikunnope
14:02.53cga`workcool
14:03.09Torikunwow
14:03.12Torikunthis is iphony now!
14:03.15Torikunfucking awesome
14:03.21cga`workare there rootfs kernel and uboot to download?
14:03.41cga`workis illume fixed for categories?
14:04.28Torikunthe keyboard can be turned on by the aux button
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14:05.01retracileThat's a feature I like about the Debian setup...
14:05.18Torikunthis may be debian
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14:06.50retracilewhat?  I thought you said it was the 20080826?
14:06.55Torikunit says that
14:07.07TorikunI did an upgrade this morning and tried to install debian
14:07.10TorikunI think debian failed
14:07.23Torikunfirmware says 20080926
14:07.27Zorkmanhaha
14:07.36Zorkmantorikun, di it boot up with an image of a sun?
14:07.46Torikunsthe background Zorkman?
14:07.54Torikundesktop
14:07.55cga`workTorikun, are there rootfs kernel and uboot to download? are categories showing in illume? thanks
14:07.56Torikunyes
14:08.11Bill_yup.. todays update even seems to work
14:08.13cga`workcool
14:08.14Torikuncga`work:  http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080826/
14:08.19cga`workthanks alot
14:08.21Bill_registered to GSM nicely..
14:08.34Torikuntext messages not working
14:08.35ZorkmanTorikun: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/c9b58868cc42d73a9c17de523ddb5f26.png
14:08.41cga`workoh yeah sure.... gms works fine?
14:08.54TorikunZorkman: what is that
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14:08.57ZorkmanTorikun: does it resemble that pic?
14:08.59Torikunthat looks great
14:09.00Torikunnope
14:09.07Torikundebian?
14:09.16ZorkmanTorikun: that is enlightenment
14:09.21Zorkmanit looks VERY great
14:09.21cga`workZorkman, that's E17
14:09.25Torikununder debian?
14:09.28Zorkmannope
14:09.37Bill_looks like it.. default alsa settings seem to almost OK.. but the buzz in the other end is still there
14:09.38Torikunlooks awesome
14:09.43retracileZorkman: that looks like a mess...
14:09.47Zorkmanit happend to me when my original 2008.8 image segfaulted (i boot from sd)
14:09.50Bill_but there's nothing softwarewise done there
14:09.56Zorkmani removed my e-folder and this is what i got: )
14:10.13Zorkman(I just thought this might be hat Torikun was talking about)
14:10.20TorikunI think my debian install worked
14:10.31Torikunbecause I rebooted to my original image
14:10.35Torikunand it s vcrappy again
14:10.36Torikunlol
14:10.55ZorkmanI had some weird experiences with E, numptyphysics for example ran much smoother on it than on my 2008.8 or 2007.2 image
14:11.12TorikunPeople should check out debian lol
14:11.19Torikunlooks like iphone more
14:11.27ZorkmanTorikun: take a few screenshots
14:11.29Torikunhttp://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner
14:11.31Torikunhow
14:11.35Torikunvnc ?
14:11.54Zorkmangpe-scap
14:12.06TorikunI will see how I can do that
14:12.09Zorkmanwith one press of a button you can upload it to scap.linixtogo.org
14:12.10Torikunphone is booting
14:12.23TorikunIf you are in SF, you can come see the phoen now
14:12.23Torikunlol
14:12.30ZorkmanIs debian already finger-friendly?
14:12.40TorikunYes
14:12.47Torikuncan not figure out text message yet
14:13.03Dave:)
14:13.19Daveheh
14:13.50Davecga is crazy.
14:13.58Daveand Italian.
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14:15.43cga`workDave, is mad and norsk
14:15.52munga2to try out the daily image, do I just need the openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and uImage ?
14:15.52DaveBah, nevar!
14:15.58DaveI am neither :D
14:16.05Torikunhow do you ssh into the debian install
14:16.09Davebut like to be sometimes :)
14:16.15retracileTorikun: same as any other
14:16.18cga`workmmmky
14:16.40Torikunusb0 not found
14:16.40retracileCan anyone recommend a couple of good games for the FR?
14:17.05retracileTorikun: You'll have to give a lot more detail...
14:17.09Zorkmannumptyphysics.... and that's not even THAT good on the FR because you need to pop-up keyboard to reset...
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14:17.23Torikunusb0: unknown interface: No such device when trying to SSH in
14:17.28ZorkmanI'm wondering why nobody is working on scummvm to make it better...
14:17.47viqThey're busy playing? ;)
14:18.52retracileTorikun: plug the phone into your usb port again.
14:19.00Daveretracile :)
14:19.05DaveYou've come to the right place :)
14:19.06retracileDave! :)
14:19.18retracileDave: You have some game recomnendations?
14:19.19DaveWelcome to Dave's Game Haven
14:19.22Dave:p
14:19.28DaveHow can I be of assistance? ;)
14:19.31retracileFinally!  Dave's going to be useful.  ;P
14:19.35DaveHey!
14:19.41Davebeats retracile with a freerunner
14:19.56DaveI just installed DOOM and Heretic on it, yesterday :P
14:20.20DaveSuffice it to say it was needlessly complicated though :|
14:20.41hipitihopdave, you're a tease
14:20.47retracileDave: any good puzzle-type games?  (solitare included in that)  Something playable with a stylus...
14:21.07Davea tease?
14:21.07Zorkmanretracile: monkey island games
14:21.14Daveretracile, strategy?
14:21.24Daveyeah, well, beyond the default OM games?
14:21.31DaveNet is pretty sweet though :p
14:21.39hipitihopDave, you serious you have doom and heretic running ?
14:21.41retracileDave: I don't have the default OM games... I'm running debian.
14:21.42Daveeven if you've played it a million times.
14:21.50DaveHippityhop yep
14:22.12Daveyou can't really play it though, with out input, I'm wndering if you can use the joystick driver to do it
14:22.25Davethough I'd rather just connect an HID-compliant USB gamepad
14:22.26Dave:D
14:22.36ZorkmanDave: make my PS3 controller work with the FR please :)
14:22.45Zorkmanbluetooth preferably
14:22.46Davezorkman, PS2, I can do!
14:22.52Davewired
14:23.03ZorkmanI only have PS3 :(
14:23.04DaveI have a Playstation -> USB converter
14:23.22Zorkmanmy ps3 controller is usb and bluetooth, so i don't need a convertor
14:23.39DaveSo if that could somehow be loaded as a linux input device it could forseeably work for all games? :D
14:23.49Daveso, make it work for bluetooth?
14:23.51ZorkmanDave: the ps3 can run linux...
14:23.52Daveis it proprietary?
14:23.53hipitihopa more mundane question, is there a cli restart I can use from an ssh session ?
14:24.05Davezorkman, more importantly, does it work on pc without any configuration?
14:24.07Dave~_~
14:24.08aptSTOP DOING THAT!
14:24.19Davehipitihop: to restart the phone?
14:24.24ZorkmanDave: in windows I needed to install some stuff
14:24.33Davezorkman, fuck windows? :D
14:24.36Zorkmanbut since the ps3 can run linux, it just has to work in linux, no?
14:24.46Daveuntrue
14:24.55Davealmost nothing WORKS in linux
14:24.59hipitihopDave, yes, similar to 'halt' but equivalent to 'shutdown -r now'
14:24.59Dave(as is)/oob
14:25.04Davehippityhop, of course!
14:25.07Daveinit 0
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14:25.34Zorkmanhehe, if i would use the ps3 cotroller, my controller would be bigger than the hardware upon which i play the game :)
14:25.37Davehippityhop: init 0   or  telinit 0  will accomplish what you seek :)
14:25.58Davezorkman, yeah, that was the only gotcha I saw among this whole setup :p
14:26.01TorikunDave: check out the debian install
14:26.07hipitihopDave, I'm asking becaus emy neo is in another room connected via usb and I'm ssh'ed in, so want to make sure it comes back up
14:26.18DaveTorikun, any particular reason why?
14:26.22Torikunlooks like iphone
14:26.25Torikunnice polis
14:26.29Torikunand good functionability so far
14:26.34Davehippityhop, eh? then init 6 (reboot)
14:26.42Davethen try again in five minutes :P
14:26.56DaveTorikun, fugly, weak, and bleh? :D
14:27.00Torikunlololo
14:27.09Davep
14:27.29hipitihopTorikun, more screenshots to convince us me it's like the iphone
14:27.43DaveI don't WANT an iphone.
14:27.51DaveI think most of us got a freerunner so we WOULDN'T have it.
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14:28.03hipitihopagreed
14:28.04DaveSo stop deluding us!
14:28.10Torikunlol
14:28.17Zorkmanbut i still want to see a screenshot from Torikun
14:28.26Torikuni can not login the dam phone
14:28.32Daveso, scap it
14:28.52DaveTorikun, you're software is weak, like ragu!
14:29.00Torikunlol
14:29.39TorikunI do not understand this because I install debian but the image looks like ASU format
14:29.45Torikunand it had the ASU backgound
14:29.53thexceptioncould someone help me with my gsm problem? i can make only one call in om2008 then need to login again to gsm network to be able to make one call again. (calls can be received always)
14:29.55DaveHave you used it before?
14:30.00DaveAre you going insane?
14:30.03TorikunYes Dave
14:30.04Torikunlol
14:30.11DaveDid you fuck yourself with a bootloader?
14:30.11TorikunI am going crazy
14:30.12Torikunlol
14:30.25DaveThat has clearly been established, Mister Loller.
14:30.27Torikunbrain.o needs to be recompiled
14:30.40Dave./configure --without-lol
14:30.41Torikunand now debian does not boot
14:30.42DavePlease.
14:30.43hipitihopTorikun, have you done "ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.192" ?
14:30.50torindelTorikun: brain panic: replace user and press any key to continue
14:30.52torindel;]
14:30.54Torikunhipitihop: it was not detected as usb0 yet
14:31.09DavePANIC!
14:31.10Torikunrebooted
14:31.32retracileTorikun: on the phone, bring up the keyboard and hit <Ctrl><Alt>x; on debian, that'll bring up an xterm window.
14:31.36Dave*Beep* User detected! *Beep* User deleted!
14:31.40Torikun"I'm going slightly mad" - Freddie Mercury
14:31.53Torikunah
14:31.57Torikundebian doesnot boot now
14:32.00Daveinstalls games on retracile
14:32.02Torikungotta try rebooting
14:32.35Daveinit 6
14:32.37Torikunok debian booting now
14:32.56DavePlease reboot yourself, Torikun.
14:33.11TorikunDave , you have to jiggle my handle to make me reboo
14:33.12Torikunlol
14:33.18Daveo_O
14:33.28DaveSorry, try ieatlint, I hear he's into that...
14:33.58Wonkafsck!
14:35.14Torikunok I got terminal up
14:35.51Torikunifconfig shows lo only
14:36.11Torikunwhen booting, it said failed to bring up usb0
14:36.32Zorkmanlogin through wifi?
14:36.41ieatlintDave, that's news to me
14:36.43Torikunno devices except lo is found
14:36.46hipitihoptthinks this is a ploy by Torikun to keep us from the screen shots
14:36.53Zorkmanagrees
14:37.12Torikuni want to give you screenshots!
14:37.15Torikunbut I can not do shit
14:37.16Torikunlol
14:37.26ike?
14:37.29Zorkmantake a camera (do it Old Skool :))
14:37.30retracileTorikun: sounds like you may be booting a different kernel than the one the rootfs is expecting.
14:37.46Torikunmaybe
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14:38.25Torikunshould I run ./install.sh  debian apt fso configuration kernel unmount
14:38.53hipitihopsuggests that Torikun puts down the iPhone, and plugs in the freerunner
14:39.01Torikunlol
14:39.03Davelint ;D
14:39.18Torikun./install.sh  kernel unmount  ?
14:39.25Daveo_O
14:39.30DaveWaht the fuck are you doing?
14:39.39DaveXORA
14:39.41ieatlintDave, i've almost got it working... i'm a tad hung up how to handle the key needed to get the xml data
14:39.42TorikunDave: Debian install
14:39.53DaveFUCK
14:40.15Davespams the developers with hate-filled bugreports
14:40.26DaveDocScrutinizer, they shall have it!
14:41.11ieatlintthere's something a tad odd about just how the key thing works :P
14:41.41ieatlintit works in their implementation, but even faking user agent and referrer doesn't get it working outside of their implementation
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14:42.20Daveieatlint, yeah, right? ;p
14:42.35Davekinky
14:42.54DaveIeatlint, want some breakfast, man?
14:43.56ieatlintare you a bit intoxicated perhaps?
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14:48.19evoluxi already asked some hours ago, but got no response: i'm having trouble importing my address book in vcf format. the script from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts complains that some dbus methods don't exist
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14:50.37marcinsoocan't find /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/Full-QWERTY.kbd in 2008.8 , any idea????
14:50.47Zorkmani connected my ps3 controller through an usb hub with the FR, how do I check if it is recognised?.
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14:51.06gromezZorkman: lsusb ?
14:51.18Davelsbbq?
14:51.22Davelswtf
14:51.25ZorkmanBus 001 Device 003: ID 054c:0268 Sony Corp.
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14:51.30DaveIeatlint, no.
14:51.35Davezorkman, woot
14:51.37Zorkman:)
14:51.40Davebut now you'd need a driver for it :P
14:51.44Zorkmani know :)
14:51.54Davezorkman, any activity in dmesg, perhaps? ;p
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14:52.24Zorkmanevbug.c: Event. Dev: usb-s3c24xx-2/input0, Type: 3, Code: 1, Value: 129
14:52.32Zorkmana lot of those things, with different values and codes
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14:53.20ZorkmanDave; there exist some driver thingies like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sixaxis
14:53.27Zorkmanbut i'm too noob to make them work for FR :(
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14:53.37ShleeZorkman: Does the PS3 controller use usb for data?
14:53.43Shleeor charging only..
14:53.44Zorkmanusb or bluetooth
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14:54.52dbmoodbwtf at gsm emi noise
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14:55.21ZorkmanShlee: basic controller works through usb, to get motion-sensin I need bluetooth
14:56.00munga2I'm experimenting with the daily om snapshot ... Is there a configuration sw for the wireless ?
14:56.07torindelZorkman: lol
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14:56.13DocScrutinizerDave: what's up?
14:56.17Zorkmanthe jstest from debian should work....
14:56.17munga2and a settings application in general ?
14:56.49torindelZorkman: first get sure that usb-s3c24xx-2 is your pad thing
14:56.57AeterothHi. I want device with hardware keyboard (digital or qwerty), where I can use shell and with EDGE and may be with 3g. Ara that devices exists?
14:57.13torindelif yes modify xorg.conf and man evdev (x keyboard/mouse driver)
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14:57.36dbmoodbodd cuz i don't get any echo / noise
14:57.38Zorkmantorindel: i will need a while to decrypt your hints :)
14:58.04Zorkmandbmoodb: I get it, well, people on the other side get it and refuse to telephone to me...
14:58.04torindelZorkman: first get sure that usb-s3c24xx-2/input0 is your pad
14:58.15torindelif not take another look
14:58.18dbmoodbZorkman: reaaly ?
14:58.57torindelZorkman: if it is and you got input device you can configure it as any custom mouse/keyboard in xorg.conf with evdev
14:59.02munga2Do people answer to help requests on this channel ? I' ve asked 4 questions so far and I'ven't received not even a RTFM ... Is there an end user help support channel ?
14:59.02DaveJoerg, I am plagued by bugs :(
14:59.05Zorkmantorindel:
14:59.05Zorkmanroot@om-gta02:~# dmesg | tail -4
14:59.05Zorkmanusb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
14:59.05Zorkmaninput: Sony PLAYSTATION(R)3 Controller as /devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/input/input6
14:59.05Zorkmanevbug.c: Connected device: "Sony PLAYSTATION(R)3 Controller", usb-s3c24xx-2/input0
14:59.05Zorkmaninput: USB HID v1.11 Joystick [Sony PLAYSTATION(R)3 Controller] on usb-s3c24xx-2
14:59.13DaveI may spend the entire morning submitting bugreports!
14:59.18Daveif I can muster the will to do so
14:59.22Davezorkman :O
14:59.25Davezomg?
14:59.34DocScrutinizerbuy PARAL! :-D
14:59.37Daveworkies!?
14:59.41DavePARAL/
14:59.42Dave?
14:59.51DocScrutinizerbug-poison
14:59.56Daveahaha :P
15:00.01torindelZorkman: ok read man how to setup evdev, googling for ready settings with evdev for that thing would be nice too
15:00.13dbmoodbmunga2: shoot -- what is it?
15:00.30munga2I'm experimenting with the daily om snapshot ... Is there a configuration sw for the wireless ?
15:00.31evoluxok, vcf import now worked. the problem was an incorrect dbus environment variable
15:00.32munga2and a settings application in general ?
15:00.40Davezorkman, is that under debian?
15:00.41munga2dbmoodb: thanks :)
15:00.47ZorkmanDave: 2007.2 :p
15:00.51DaveOh snaps! :D
15:01.01DaveJoerg, pesky bugs. They're everywhere! :(
15:01.15DaveI am glad for your interference patch though :]
15:01.17ieatlintDave, hah, i was being stupid, it was a cookie :)
15:01.21DaveIt will save my nearby electronic devices.
15:01.22ieatlinti gots it figured out
15:01.28Daveieatlint, okay good :P
15:01.30DocScrutinizersounds like some form of delirium
15:01.42DaveJoerg, essentially.
15:01.42Dave:]
15:01.48DaveOpenmoko Inebriation!
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15:01.56Daveoh man
15:01.57Daveterrible
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15:02.11dbmoodboh chck the wiki don;t think there is a settings app (working well atm --- check the updates) . sw ?
15:02.14Davecat ~/projects/openmoko/BUGS | wc -l
15:02.15Dave74
15:02.26Dave:[
15:02.35DaveI got a lot of typing to do today ;)
15:02.50dbmoodbDave: cat /dev/urandom
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15:03.09Davecat dog
15:03.10ieatlinthah
15:03.32ieatlintcat /dev/random > program.c can in theory produce a master program
15:03.32Davetrap lint
15:03.39Davepfft
15:03.45Davefuck your theory, back to work!
15:03.47Dave:)
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15:03.57Davebribes ieatlint with some cookies
15:04.00ieatlintmy work is not in fucking theories
15:04.20ieatlintare they better than JSESSIONID cookies?
15:04.23DaveWould you do it for money, though? :P
15:04.35Davehaha, definietly!
15:05.03munga2dbmoodb: thanks ... Is there a list of all projects/software beeing worked on, on the wiki ?
15:05.05Davethey are chocolate chocolate-chip with macadamia nuts :)
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15:05.17Daveprojects.openmoko.org?
15:05.19ieatlintnice
15:05.36DaveIeatlint, they're pretty fucking huge too
15:05.49Zorkmantorindel: zo I must edit my xorg.conf file?
15:06.22Daveman, snes9x -runs- on the freerunner, but fucks up your display
15:06.38Aeterothcat /dev/urandom > prog.c & sleep 1 && kill `ps | grep cat | cut -d ' ' -f 1`
15:06.40Davethough for the first time viewer it's pretty cool :p
15:07.06munga2thanks :) I'll try to limit the simple/boring questions for the moment... I just need some time to get the picture...
15:07.38DaveDear opkg maintainers, ...
15:07.53Dave<sixty two lines of scornful remarks later>
15:07.54TorikunThank  you for the useable phone
15:08.04DaveThank you for your cooperation in these matters.
15:08.06DaveSincerely, Dave.
15:08.28DaveI hope they don't take offense to that :)
15:08.49Tig|Dave: what is it doing now?
15:09.00Torikunlol
15:09.12Torikunllmfao dave so funny he make laugh out of me
15:09.17DaveTig, eh?
15:09.29DaveTorikun, what happened now?
15:09.36DaveYou laughed so hard you suffered brain damage? :P
15:09.43Dave(or so it would appear from your typing)
15:09.44TorikunYS dave, so funny u are
15:09.45Torikunlol
15:09.46Tig|opkg,  presumably it has just done something stupid :)
15:09.48Zorkman:(
15:09.48Zorkmanroot@om-gta02:~# sixpair.c
15:09.49Zorkmansixpair.c: line 1: /3: Permission denied
15:09.49Zorkmansixpair.c: line 2: %gconf.xml: Permission denied
15:09.49Zorkmansixpair.c: line 3: %gconf.xml: Permission denied
15:09.49Zorkmansixpair.c: line 4: playlists/: Permission denied
15:09.51Zorkmansixpair.c: line 17: syntax error: "(" unexpected
15:09.59DaveERROR ERROR
15:10.02DaveABORT ABORT!
15:10.14Davegconf.xml? o.O
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15:10.17Daveplaylists?
15:10.21DaveWhat ARE you doing?
15:10.35DaveTig, much of opkg IS stupid.
15:10.46Zorkmani don't know dave, i jsut ran the script...
15:10.48DaveOther than the fact it's an apt clone/ripoff, which is the good part.
15:10.53DaveWhere did you get it, Zorkman?
15:11.06Davethirdparty-drivers.kr?
15:11.12Zorkmanhttp://www.pabr.org/sixlinux/sixlinux.en.html
15:11.17Davetenyearold-programming.cn?
15:11.23Zorkmanthe sixaxis.c seems to be used everywhere...
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15:11.25Davesame thing?
15:11.29Dave;D
15:11.33unknown_lamerZorkman: you probably want to compile that
15:11.43DaveOne would think so, right? :P
15:11.58Zorkmanwith gcc?
15:12.07DaveOne would think so.
15:12.12Davehence the .c extension
15:12.12unknown_lamerDave: good thing we have actual Debian now... bitbake needs to die
15:12.16DaveZorkman is a silly.
15:12.21unknown_lamerDave: I think I have OE more than Redhat
15:12.23Daveunknown_lamer, agreed.
15:12.23Zorkmanpleads guilty :(
15:12.25lindi-unknown_lamer: both can exists :)
15:12.27Davehate
15:12.31Davebring the HATE
15:12.35Davelindi, nevar!
15:12.40DaveTHERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!
15:12.48unknown_lamerlindi-: no OE has nowhere near the maintainer size of Debian and a lot of their software is stale with localized patches that appear to never be pushed upstream
15:12.55Daveand that's Debian, right? :)
15:12.56lindi-unknown_lamer: but we should have upstream maintainers and distro maintainers separately
15:13.05ZorkmanDave: I'm looking forward when we can play a mulitplayer game gainst eachother and my sixaxis works :)
15:13.08unknown_lamere.g. I need bdb 4.6 but OE is stuck at 4.3 with some stupid "power saving" thumb patch that does not work with more modern bdb
15:13.14DaveYES
15:13.17Zorkmangoddamn
15:13.18unknown_lamermeanwhile debian has 4.everything depending on what you want
15:13.21Zorkmani installd gcc and when i gcc -o sixpair sixpair.c -lusb
15:13.21Davecontroller work already!
15:13.26Zorkmanit says gcc not found
15:13.27unknown_lamerany bugs with patches? pushed upstream promptly
15:13.36Davezorkman install gcc-symlink
15:13.37Dave-_-
15:14.21unknown_lamerhas been using Debian as his only OS since he was ... 15
15:14.22Davegcc-symlinks
15:14.25unknown_lamerand now I am an old bearded man
15:14.28Daveit's lame :D
15:14.35Daveunknownlamer, aww :)
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15:14.47DaveI've used it for many-a-years now, as well :)
15:15.10unknown_lamerI'm kind of bummed that xmms was removed
15:15.10DaveThough I am perhaps not as wiezened an old man, as you may be :)
15:15.16DaveWeren't we all.
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15:15.41unknown_lamerI do find the xmms upstream response amusing "uhh ... I'm still maintaining it ..."
15:15.50ZorkmanDave: opkg can't find gcc-symlink, you don't happen to know what path it is stored?
15:16.13Davezorkman, it's gcc-symlinks
15:16.14Dave:P
15:16.32Dave*stab-stab* retarded maintainers and packagers
15:17.58Zorkmanroot@om-gta02:~# gcc -o sixpair sixpair.c -lusb
15:17.58Zorkmangcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory
15:18.11opendeepto check how much memory used on SD card, is it df -h /media/card ? because it's showing rootfs always.
15:20.12Davezorkman, why don't you READ the file
15:20.15Davefurthermore, give it to me? :D
15:20.20DaveI want to play with it now :p
15:20.45Zorkmani'm installing libgcc1 but it is already up to date :(
15:21.01Zorkmanif you want the file Dave: http://www.pabr.org/sixlinux/sixlinux.en.html
15:21.09DaveYES
15:21.13hipitihopwaves goodnight and wisges Zorkman , Dave, luck with OS3 controller
15:21.35Zorkmanthank hipitihop and goodbye
15:21.38Daveoh, in bluetooth mode?
15:21.41Davepfft, who wants that.
15:21.47DaveGoodnight hippityhop :)
15:21.52Davelater sif :P
15:22.04Davesay goodnight to the roos for me ;p
15:22.16Zorkmanwithouth bluetooth i would also be content :)
15:22.19hipitihopgnite skippy !!
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15:22.54Daveso are you using it in usb mode, zorkman? o_O
15:22.55Daveor what?
15:23.06ZorkmanDave: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sixaxis says how to use it a as a pointer Device, but  it's all apt-get stuff :(
15:23.15ZorkmanIt's currently connected through usb yes Dave
15:23.47unknown_lamerhmm I tried using a sixaxis controller with my laptop once ... it showed up as a joystick hid device and then proceeded to not work depsite the internet promising me itwould
15:23.47Daveokay
15:23.58Davehaha
15:24.08Daveinternet promising... wow, that's rich.
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15:25.29Dave0xBADCODE
15:26.17torindelZorkman: its not hard to get it working yourself if you cant find ready google recipe
15:26.30thexceptionis there a way to see which gsm commands are sent and received?
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15:28.25Zorkmanwhat do you mean torindel?
15:28.41Zorkman(my apologied but I am not very skilled at all this)
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15:30.25Davelollerimplicitdefinitions
15:30.34torindelZorkman: look for some web page how to do advenced setup of mouse in xorg.conf with evdev
15:30.46torindeland just tread your pad as mouse device
15:30.47Zorkmanok, i will
15:31.06DaveYES
15:31.10Davethen DOOM will work!
15:31.18Daveor be more playable :p
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15:31.22torindel(you can configure it as keyboard too, but mouse would be more apropriate)
15:31.28Zorkmanright now i just saved my battery in time because it was charging the controller :) it says 0.0 charge :)
15:31.29Daveindeedy weedy!
15:31.36Daveheh
15:31.42Daveuse a self-powered hub, kthx
15:31.52Zorkmandon't have one Dave
15:32.01Dave:(
15:32.04Zorkmanthat's why bluetooth would be usefull
15:32.11DaveI guess...
15:32.22torindelstill need to change plug to miniusb on his usbhub
15:32.23Daveif it worked :p
15:33.37Zorkman:)
15:33.42Zorkmandamn i really want this working :)
15:33.58slaxxindave make us an doom ipk
15:34.04DaveYES
15:34.09DaveI hope too :)
15:34.23orospakrs/too/to/
15:34.27orospakr:D
15:34.39DaveIt's way too complicated, and I'm tired of people making you download "their project" then to only require the separate NON-DISTRIBUTED game files
15:34.44DaveYes, orospakr, yes.
15:34.57DaveHowever, it's particularly annoying when the software is OPEN
15:35.04Davethey're just all squeamish and shit.
15:35.11slaxxinyup
15:35.15slaxxinsucks
15:35.31Daveplus when their readme's first six steps are to install SOMEONE ELSE'S software first, before installing theirs...
15:35.34Davefuck.
15:35.47DaveI may as well just package it all up and call it doom1.ipk
15:35.48Dave:p
15:35.50slaxxinbut   u can move over to THIS page an dl to your hearts content
15:35.51Davemofos
15:35.54Zorkmanyou're right dave, you're better of just making my controller work! :)
15:36.02Dave:)
15:36.41slaxxinits time to step up to the pump people
15:36.59Zorkman???
15:37.27Davecrud
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15:39.44Davezorkmids
15:40.23Zorkmanwhat linux kernel is openmoko currently on dave?
15:40.32Zorkman2.6.*?
15:40.35Dave2.6.24
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15:40.38Davethough 2.6.26 soon
15:40.51Zorkmanaccording to http://ps3.jim.sh/sixaxis/usb/ it should work right away when connect to usb...
15:40.53DaveI have the kernel sources for 2.6.24 on my card
15:41.00Daveoh it should, should it?
15:41.16Daveeven on the freerunner? :P
15:41.38Zorkman*shrugs* I thought that if it is present in the kernel...
15:41.43Zorkmanthere is a patch: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a1a4d8b87389e35c3af04c0d0a95f6a0391b964
15:41.57DaveYOU want to recompile the entire kernel?
15:41.59Zorkmanbut as usual I have no idea what to do with it :)
15:42.06DaenythWhat's a good image to use? So far the buildhost 2007.2 daily build looked much nicer, but qtopia performs better. I hate qtopia's interface though
15:42.17ZorkmanDave: I have no aspirations to do that :)
15:42.19Davehigh-fives daenyth
15:42.23Daveheh
15:42.25Davedidn't think so
15:42.58Daenythwhat image would you suggest I try
15:43.07DaenythI'd ideally like to use my fr as my main phone
15:43.07DaveWhat's wrong with 2007.2?
15:43.10Daveah
15:43.28DaenythDave: it won't import my contacts from SIM, gps doesn't work (Though the gps could be because I'm inside)
15:43.50ZorkmanDaenyth: it can't be 2007.2's fault gps is not working
15:43.53torindelDaenyth: gps should work
15:44.04Daenythalso mofi doesn't work, it crashes saying it can't load the cairo module even though I have python-pycairo installed. I suspect that it's related to pythons version of @INC
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15:44.30DaenythZorkman: yeah, I haven't tested it outside
15:44.44Daenythumm
15:44.51Daenythapart from those things I rather like 2007.2
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15:45.00Daenyththe contact importing is really important though
15:45.09DaenythI've been trying to find where the FR stores them, but I can't
15:45.14ZorkmanDaenyth: mofi works on 2007.2 withoth problems here...
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15:45.21DaenythZorkman: yeah, that's the odd thing
15:45.24Daenythwhat have  you installed?
15:45.25Daveyeah yeah, complaints, complaints.
15:45.27Daenythmaybe it's missing a dep
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15:45.52wurp2|goneDaenyth: Have you tried the addContacts scripts on the wiki?
15:46.01Daenythwurp2|gone: I didn't know there was such a thing
15:46.08wurp2|goneDaenyth: And gps just won't work unless you're outside or have a good view to the equator from inside
15:46.18Daveheh
15:46.28Daenythwurp2|gone: ok, so that confirms that. Good to know. I'll bring my FR with me today I think :)
15:46.29Davewurp, you can see the equator out your window?
15:46.31wurp2|goneDaenyth: I wrote a script to import contacts from SIM to the evolution db on 2007.2
15:46.33slaxxinan things are being added all the time to the wiki'
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15:46.42wurp2|goneAnd I think other people have improved it
15:46.46Daenythwurp2|gone: I can't find it on the wiki
15:46.46mjrgargoyle_grin, Dean?
15:46.47Daenythlink me?
15:47.08gargoyle_grinHrm?  Dean?
15:47.16DaveJimmy Dean?
15:47.24gargoyle_grinHeh.
15:47.24wurp2|goneDave: Well, if he's in Au/Africa, it's north, if he's in EU/US, it's south...
15:47.36mjrJimmy Hoffa?
15:47.44DaveJimmy Hendrix?
15:47.49wurp2|goneDaenyth: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Sim_Contacts
15:47.51Daenythjimi hendrix!
15:47.58DaveJimmy cracked some motherfuckin' corn?
15:47.58gargoyle_grinYeah.  That's me.
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15:48.06gargoyle_grinYou caught me.  I'm Hendrix.
15:48.07Daenythew python ;)
15:48.11Davewurp, you can't fool us :p
15:48.16slaxxinhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts
15:48.17gargoyle_grinBLASPHEMY!
15:48.18Davedaenyth: *hiss*
15:48.19gargoyle_grinlol
15:48.20wurp2|workingDaenyth: then don't run it :-)
15:48.20mjrgargoyle_grin, I knew it!
15:48.28wurp2|workingI could have written it in C
15:48.28DaenythNEEDS MOAR PERL! >:D
15:48.32Daenythwaits for flames
15:48.36gargoyle_grinlol
15:48.55Daveignites daenyth for unbelieving
15:49.01Daenyth"On my neo, for some reason I can't connect to dbus when running from an ssh session (either USB or over Bluetooth). So you'll probably have to run the above command in the neo Terminal. "
15:49.03Davehot enough for you? :p
15:49.06Daenythwurp2|working: did you set the dbus env variables?
15:49.09wurp2|workingBut then it would have taken about 10x as long, and would probably crash one time in 100 like any C program that hasn't been extensively tested & bugfixed & scrutinized for memory errors
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15:49.27wurp2|workingDaenyth: I think someone put notes on that in the wiki page
15:49.31Daenythoh yes
15:49.36Davethrows DocScrutinizer at wurp2
15:49.36wurp2|workingMy original script didn't; I did it by hand
15:49.41Davetake that!
15:49.44DaenythI agree, py > C
15:49.45Dave;)
15:49.54wurp2|workingDaenyth: interesting
15:49.55Davedaenyth, depends what it is :)
15:50.00DaveC is NOT a scripting language ;)
15:50.01slaxxinso will debian be able to install to the device instead of the sdcard?
15:50.08Daenythand py does make more sense for the FR. Perl doesn't have the same focus
15:50.18wurp2|workingIn this group, when you hear bitching about py, it's almost always C bigotry
15:50.31wurp2|workingI love perl
15:50.36DaenythI think of py more as an interpreted programming language rather than a "scripting" language
15:50.39wurp2|workingfor text processing :-)
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15:50.47wurp2|workingI love C
15:50.49Daenythperl is better for scripting than py, but py does applications better I think
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15:50.58wurp2|workingfor device drivers, and low level gfx routines
15:51.07wurp2|workingDaenyth: agreed 100%
15:51.15DaenythI just don't like py :(
15:51.23DaenythI should learn it though, it would be a good skill
15:52.01Daenythew, 2x indent :
15:52.03Daveblub.
15:52.09Daenythneeds moar # vim...
15:52.19DaveINDEED
15:52.19Dave:D
15:52.33Davehigh-fives daenyth
15:52.50torindelwurp2|working: depends on programer ;]
15:52.55Daveneedz moar pearl!111
15:53.11torindelif you're carefull enough you can write almost bugfree code
15:53.15wurp2|workingtorindel: What depends on the programmer?
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15:53.29torindel17:49 < wurp2|working> But then it would have taken about 10x as long, and would probably crash one time in 100 like any C
15:53.35torindelprogram that hasn't been extensively tested & bugfixed & scrutinized for memory errors
15:53.39Tanuvalikez pythn but hates these damn non-specific variables
15:53.43wurp2|workingtorindel: Yeah, but in C almost bugfree means it craps out on you one time in 100, with no nice message telling you why
15:54.18wurp2|workingTanuva: Yeah, the big problem there is no autocompletion, and no automatic documentation from type declarations :-(
15:54.22Daenythalso, perl has better error messages than python
15:54.32Daenythit tells you _exactly_ what's wrong instead of just giving you a stack dump
15:54.36Daenyth:p
15:54.39torindelwurp2|working: almost bugfree means that even if it have any bugs you wont see them/encounter them at all
15:54.54Tanuvadoes someone have a default debian /etc/pointercal?
15:55.02Daveyeah, isn' tit annoying, tanuva?
15:55.08Daveand hey, tanuva, I thought you were a python programmer? ;D
15:55.12Daenythmmmf
15:55.19Davedaenyth, AGREED
15:55.26Daenythhigh-fives Dave
15:55.33Davedaenyth, I'm still stuck in my python app, all it gives me is Memory Error and dies
15:55.36Davewhat the fuck is that?
15:55.37Daenythneeds moar Arch Linux
15:55.42Daveat least tell me WHERE it failed
15:55.43DaenythDave: out of memory?
15:55.45Daveno
15:55.47TanuvaDave: I learned python for the neo because I couldn't get c crosscompiled, yes :D
15:55.54Daenythlol
15:55.56DaveI know what the problem is now, but it's stupid and unhelpful
15:56.01DaveTanuva, haha
15:56.02Dave:)
15:56.03Davecool
15:56.15DaveI'm a perl programmer trying python for the good of the neo
15:56.18wurp2|workingtorindel: For most medium to small size applications, python is faster to dev in and far less likely to have flaky behavior than C, for devs of equal skill in both, or even devs with roughly close skills
15:56.23torindelTanuva: lol ;]
15:56.26Daveso far I'm holding up my end of the bargain more so that it though
15:56.33DaenythDave: same, I'm really considering learning py
15:56.37Daenyththough
15:56.41Daenythbash would suit me fine too
15:56.41Tanuvabut now a new tslib came in and my pointercal is fucked up >.<
15:56.43Daveyeah, I've been doing a good job so far
15:56.50Daenythany reason bash isn't on there? space, memory?
15:56.52wurp2|workingTanuva: So you're arguing for C after the big cross-platform issue with C forced you to use python? ;-)
15:56.55Davetanuva, saweeeeeeeet
15:57.03Daveheh
15:57.10DaveHe's a believer once more!
15:57.13torindelwurp2|working: like i said depends on programer ;]
15:57.20DavePaaaahraiiiiise dbus!
15:57.22Dave;D
15:57.23wurp2|workingDaenyth: You haven't run "opkg update; opkg install bash", that's why :-)
15:57.26cbrakeis there a dedicated IRC channel for FSO dev?
15:57.31Tanuvawurp2|working: yep, since I really have to get better at c/++ if I want to code commercially ;D
15:57.36wurp2|workingtorindel: I did C++ professionally for about 8 years
15:57.41Daenythwurp2|working: hurf, that is so obvious that I feel rather stupid
15:57.41Daenythlol
15:57.44Daveheh
15:57.49wurp2|workingtorindel: I am an excellent C programmer, and a mediocre python programmer
15:57.53Daveinstall perl perl-misc
15:57.55torindelwurp2|working: lets say python is good for lazy programers who want to write app fast
15:57.55Daveenjoy!
15:58.01DaenythDave: really? :D
15:58.04Daenythsweet
15:58.05Daveyes really
15:58.05wurp2|workingpython is still far easier to produce quality apps quickly
15:58.13Davethere's a ton of modules ready to be installed
15:58.16DaveYOU JUST GOTTA BELIEVE!
15:58.17Daenythnice
15:58.22Tanuvabut I'd want to port my app to c to make it run smoother
15:58.28wurp2|workingtorindel: As opposed to stupid programmers who insist on writing the same app slower, with more bugs?
15:58.33Davetanuva, I'm not so sure that'd help
15:58.40Davestep one: stop breaking your freerunner
15:58.47Davestep two: don't write crappy software
15:58.49DaenythDave: how hard is it to make an ipkg? I'm an Arch Linux packager, so I'm used to that if you know what it is
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15:59.00Davedaenyth pretty easy actually
15:59.01wurp2|workingWell, enough language trolling for today
15:59.03DaveI surprised myself
15:59.04wurp2|workingwork to do :-)
15:59.09TanuvaDave: it wasn't me, I was just using a community-built tslib that has the rightclick-fix D:
15:59.20WeissDaenyth: dead easy. the meta toolchain does all the work for you if you have a standard autotools package
15:59.23Daverightclick-fix?
15:59.26Daenythhmm
15:59.28TanuvaDave: yes
15:59.29DaveTHERE'S A RIGHT-CLICK NOW?
15:59.35TanuvaDave: it WAS there
15:59.37DaenythI still would find it hard to believe that it's easier than arch packaging
15:59.38Daveo_O
15:59.49Davedaenyth, it's not. I never said it was.
15:59.52TanuvaDave: now I have to reinstall the older one since the new one from the deb repo doesn't have it yet
15:59.59Daenythanybody link me to a PKGBUILD/.spec/debbuild/ebuild equivalent for the FR?
16:00.02Davetanuva, oh boohoo
16:00.09Davetanuva, for what distro was this?
16:00.09Daenythso I can take a look
16:00.14TanuvaDave: debian
16:00.19torindelwurp2|working: if it where slower i wouldnt write program in c, and if you make too much bugs and dont catch them then you cant write good program at all ;]
16:00.21Daveoh, bah
16:00.30Davemousey
16:00.51torindeland yea lets end subject ;]
16:00.55Daenythhmm
16:00.58Dave</discussion>
16:01.04DaenythI think I'll re-flash back the 2007.2 daily
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16:01.17Daveheh
16:01.20Daenythanyone know of a particularly good one? If not I'll just go with the one from my birthday :D
16:01.22Davea wise decision
16:01.28Dave:p
16:01.37Davefrom your birthday? aww, how cute!
16:01.38Tanuvadpkg - warning: downgrading xserver-xorg-input-tslib from 0.0.5-1 to 0.0.4-5+fso2. - :]
16:01.46Davetanuva, wah wah
16:01.46DaenythDave: yeah, my dad got me the FR :O
16:01.50Dave:D
16:01.50Daenythit was sweet
16:01.53DaveWell, lucky you :)
16:01.57Daenythyeah
16:02.00WeissDaenyth: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain
16:02.04DaenythWeiss: thanks
16:02.16DaveDaenyth, are you on tangogps friends yet?
16:02.23DaenythDave: uh I think I did register
16:02.25DaveWeiss, are you a toolchain user, yourself?
16:02.29Davedaenyth,really?
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16:02.39DaenythDave: if I did it's Daenyth; but I've been inside so I couldn't get any locks
16:02.48Daenythlemme reflash... sigh
16:02.53DaenythFR needs moar usb2/3
16:03.03Daveyeah, if only
16:03.19Daenythnostalgia is good up to a point, but not when it comes with nostalgic speeds :x
16:03.23Daenythboo@usb1.1
16:03.25WeissDave: i've played with it a little, packaged one of my own programs, but i don't use it regularly (YET, my FR is in the post...)
16:03.40Tanuvawants to lean this damn toolchain... >.<
16:03.45Tanuvas/lean/learn/
16:04.01Zorkmandid somebody say lean? :d
16:04.04Daenythhmm
16:04.06TanuvaI did
16:04.13DaenythI think I might make some sort of massive openmoko-utils package for arch
16:04.23Daenythdfu-util, a copy of the wiki, toolchain...
16:04.25Davedid somebody say leren?
16:04.31Daenythwhat else would be good to throw in?
16:04.42Daveheh
16:04.43WeissTanuva: download, install by following the easy instructions (unpack it into a suitable folder), take program, run om-conf on it, make, om-make-ipkg, you're done
16:04.46ZorkmanA WORKIN SOLLUTION FOR MY CONTROLLER
16:04.47Zorkman;-)
16:04.51Davehaha *cough* easy instructions
16:04.56Davezorkman!?
16:04.57TanuvaWeiss: if it would be that easy... :D
16:04.58DaenythDave: hehe yeah
16:05.06Davehahaha lean medical research? ;p
16:05.07DaenythI've been reading the wiki for days and I still feel stupid
16:05.13WeissTanuva: it is...? (or are you having library issues?)
16:05.19ZorkmanDave: not only medical, in ever branch :)
16:05.20Daenythit's great though, got it saturday, birthday was sunday and I have this whole week off
16:05.23TanuvaWeiss: I'm theone who gets error messages on such noone ever got
16:05.23torindelZorkman: found ready one?
16:05.23Dave;D
16:05.42WeissTanuva: ick - example?
16:05.44DaveZorkman, I dislike that after tango restarts you lose all your friends :(
16:05.50DaenythDave: ?
16:05.52Daveyou have to then get them back
16:05.53TanuvaWeiss: but I don't have an actual problem atm, was just fiddling around with it. I'll give it a try
16:06.05Davebecause you're apparently not cool enough to keep them
16:06.06Dave:P
16:06.08ZorkmanTorikun: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sixaxis#Configuring%20XServer might be a candidate?
16:06.12Daveyou have to earn back their respect?
16:06.29Davezorkman, did you make it work yet or are you just baiting us to help you further? :P
16:06.50ZorkmanDave: no i didn't make it work, I was suggesting something that Daenyth could include in his massive package :)
16:06.53WeissDaenyth: a copy of the MokoMakefile would be nice
16:07.05ZorkmanI'm currently letting my freerunner charge a bit because it had 0.0% charge :)
16:07.18DaenythWeiss: I really need to organize my todo list..
16:08.17torindelZorkman: if it works yes, if it doesnt you'll got to firgure your self what bit means what on your device and configure it by hand ;]
16:09.16torindelZorkman: (you can cat /dev/input/eventX to get raw data coming from mouse/controler)
16:09.19WeissDave: there's a lot of extraneous cruft on the toolchain instructions (basically trying to teach autotools to you, which i concede *isn't* easy), but i don't see the actual toolchain-specific ones as being so bad. you're simply setting up an environment, configuring the package to compile with a cross-compiler, compiling it then running a utility to package it
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16:10.09Zorkmanthanks for the hint torindel; but if it involves manual configuration i don't think I will pull it of :)
16:10.30Daenythmm
16:10.37Zorkmani can't even compile the  f*ù$^$ù sixpair
16:10.41Daenythwhat's with the laser pointer and flashlight on the stylus btw?
16:10.43Daenyth:P
16:10.53ZorkmanDaenyth: it's the only thing that works
16:10.58ZorkmanDaenyth: use it wise
16:11.02Daenythlol
16:11.09TanuvaLOL
16:11.15Daenythyeah.. my gf has been getting annoyed because I keep fiddling with it
16:11.17Daenyth>_>
16:12.10phrozen77lol
16:12.36Zorkmanyou've gotta shoot her in the eye
16:12.38Daveweiss, are you the one we should be directing our toolchain woes to? :)
16:12.39Daenythwhat's the little copper-ish thing on the right side above the usb port
16:12.45Daenythantennae jack?
16:12.48Davezorkman, I did, want it?
16:12.54Zorkmanyes please
16:12.54TanuvaDaenyth: gps antenna, yes
16:12.57Daenythaha
16:12.58Davedaenyth, perhaps she needs more fiddling ;p
16:13.00Zorkman(and how did you pull it of?)
16:13.03DaenythDave: :D
16:13.05Dave;)
16:13.10DaveTrust me, I know how it is :)
16:13.19retracileDaenyth: for gps
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16:13.30DaveDaenyth, there is good news. The freerunner has the potential to be used as a vibrator!
16:13.34Tig|Daenyth: my laser pointer died :( my cat did enjoy chasing the red dot though for a couple of days
16:13.39DaveBut you'll probably want one of those phone condoms, first.
16:13.40DaenythTig|: fun
16:13.46DaenythI miss having a cat sometimes
16:13.50DaveTig :)
16:13.57Davedaenyth, want another one?
16:14.05Daenythno money for it
16:14.10Daveoh, to support it?
16:14.13Daenythyeah
16:14.14Tanuvais looking for some nicer replacement for his invisibleshield...
16:14.20DaveI'm sure your current cat is costing you enough :P
16:14.25Daenythlol
16:14.28Dave;)
16:14.29Zorkmanwhat don't you like about your invisible shield tanuva?
16:14.37DaveIt's one expensive pussy, eh? :p
16:14.42Daenythba dum cha
16:14.45Daenythrimshots
16:14.48Davebe glad it doesn't cost you more :P
16:15.04Davezorkman, cloaking device not included
16:15.05TanuvaZorkman: it makes the nice matte surface look so damn shiny black... and it's many edges attract the dirt really good
16:15.14TanuvaZorkman: although the screen protector is quite good
16:15.20DaveTanuva :x
16:15.31Davetanuva, yeah, that seems to be the general concensus
16:15.33ZorkmanDave, can you upload it somewhere?
16:15.38Davemany got it just for the screen protector
16:15.42DaveZorkman, PERHAPS
16:15.47Davedaveman.be
16:15.57DaveI mean... ~_~
16:16.19Davezorkman, did you just want the sixpair.c build or the other things too?
16:16.20ZorkmanQuizás, Quizás, Quizás...if you really love me...
16:16.27Dave:)
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16:16.38Tanuva... and then I need to reapply the screen protector, many micro bubbles left under it since 3 weeks
16:16.40Zorkmaneuhm, since I can't compile it because of that error maybe everything?
16:16.50WeissDave: no way, but i generally "get" how autotools works so might be able to help...
16:16.56Daveheh well there was like a sixpair-hid.c thingy
16:17.01DaveWeiss :)
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16:17.42Tanuvamaybe I'll just get some old sock and put the fr in there. so noone will dare to steal it either... xD
16:17.47torindelZorkman: get normal xorg input evdev driver then
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16:18.35zedstardidnt the freerunner come with a pouch?
16:18.45Zorkmantorindel, I really must dissapoint you, I don't know what you mean by a normal xorg input evdev driver
16:19.11ZorkmanI've got a pouch, it seems a rather decent one...
16:19.37Tanuvazedstar: at pulster, you have to order and pay it separately
16:19.42Daenythwill mokomakefile work under gcc4.3?
16:19.48Tanuva(which I didn't intend to do)
16:19.54Daenyththe wiki says to use 3.3...
16:20.00zedstartanuva ah! it is nice the pouch
16:20.16Tanuvais it...
16:20.23Tanuvafits nicely? :)
16:20.23ZorkmanDaenyth: months ago I tried with 4.3 but had no luck, i used 3.3
16:20.25torindelDaenyth: mokomake file should build itsown gcc as oe do anyway
16:20.33Daenythhrm
16:20.38Tanuvamaybe I give it a go...
16:20.40DaenythI'll worry about it later
16:20.52torindeli used gcc-4.3.1 and it worked
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16:20.57zedstaryeh fits and u can sort of get the stylus in
16:21.09Zorkmanand some highly illegal drugs
16:21.16Daenythzedstar: pouch?
16:21.18Daenythlink?
16:21.20Tanuvayay, foss-smuggling :D
16:21.20zedstaryeh and swallow
16:21.29Davezedstar!
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16:21.55Daveyou just need the 3.x libs
16:22.01Davethey're available in whatever repo you use
16:22.04zedstardaenyth there is an openmoko made pouch which existed since the 1973 it is nice
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16:22.10Daenythzedstar: link?
16:22.12Daveedstar, indeed
16:22.14Davezorkman
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16:22.25zedstarhmmm dunno links it came when i got my 1973
16:22.32Zorkmanyes Dave?
16:22.44ZorkmanI ordered from bearstech and got the pouch
16:22.49Daenyth:O
16:22.51zedstarbut tanuva says u can get from pulster
16:22.56DaenythFR doesn't come with it
16:23.18edistarpulster takes _ages_
16:23.20DaveI got a pouch for most of my freerunners, but no lanyards :(
16:23.27DaveI was somewhat disappointed.
16:23.31Tanuvaedistar: it didn't for me
16:23.49Tig|my freerunner from truebox did not come with one initially but they sent one on later when OM shipped them some along with the headphones :)
16:24.07Tanuvaedistar: I received my pulster-fr bit more than 2 months ago
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16:24.47edistarTanuva: how long did you have to wait?
16:25.11edistarTanuva: some people in #freeyourphone had to wait +- 2 months
16:25.20edistarI ordered from TRIsoft, that was very quick
16:26.44Tanuvaedistar: I ordered it the moment it got available
16:26.52Tanuvaedistar: don't remember the exact date
16:26.55edistarTanuva: okey
16:27.13torindelZorkman: in oe there is xf86-input-evdev, if someone have oe/mokomakefile are setup ask them to build it for you
16:27.14Tanuvaat trisoft I first had #117 but then cancelled that order since pulster was cheaper
16:27.28edistarokey
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16:30.47phrozen77edistar, i received mine 2 days after they got them
16:31.09phrozen77Dave, i got neither pouches nor lanyards =(
16:31.13phrozen77now has a sad
16:31.24Daveaww
16:31.26edistarphrozen77: oh, good
16:31.42DaveDon't worry, my first one came with ALL the extra goodies, but no pouch
16:31.45Daveso I had to invent one :)
16:32.01phrozen77robs Daves pouches and lanyards
16:32.10phrozen77ALL YOUR GOODIES ARE BELONG TO MEEEE
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16:32.28retracilehas a Targus backpack that has a detatchable pouch that fits the FR pretty well
16:33.04phrozen77coming up later today: flashing the FR for fun + profit
16:33.25phrozen77btw
16:33.28torindelsets retracile backpack on fire!
16:33.33phrozen77are there any known casemods for the FR?
16:33.43Davehey!
16:33.56phrozen77too late
16:33.58Dave:(
16:34.01phrozen77theyre on ebay already
16:34.02Davetorindel!
16:34.06Davedon't hurt retracile
16:34.06Zorkmancan anyone compile a little c-file for me for arm4 on the FR?
16:34.07Davehe's cool
16:34.10Davephrozen :(
16:34.17Davezorkman, no
16:34.28phrozen77Zorkman, sorry, no - got no dev env up atm
16:34.38phrozen77hm
16:34.44phrozen77should've made that a "sry"
16:34.56phrozen77no wrds ovr four ltrs
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16:34.59phrozen77!
16:35.32ZorkmanMAR! my friend!!
16:35.40zedstarzorkman u need xf86-input-evdev built/
16:35.41DaveWeiss, come forth.
16:35.43Zorkmanyou have a build/dev env?
16:35.48zedstar?
16:36.03Zorkmanzedstar: i don't have it
16:36.12Daveheh
16:36.33zedstarzorkman u need it built i could build for u if u like?
16:36.43Zorkmanvery much, thanks zedstar
16:36.59Zorkmanthe file is named sixpair.c and is available on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sixaxis#Configuring%20XServer
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16:37.10Choxbitches!
16:37.13Chox+ dave
16:37.16Dave:)
16:37.17Choxbbq
16:37.18torindelzedstar: build him xf86-input-evdev too
16:37.20DaveIndeed
16:37.36torindelzedstar: since i think he'll use it anyway ;]
16:37.55zedstarok...i started the first one will take a while no doubt
16:37.57DaveFreerunner unconditionally needs more ports.
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16:38.56ZorkmanFR needs more cowbell
16:39.06Davenot yet
16:39.09phrozen77fr needs MOAR of all
16:39.10Davemine has enough ,for now
16:39.19Daveemerge freedom
16:39.23slaxxinNeo1973 Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12
16:39.24Daveat the cost of war
16:39.31DaveYes, slaxxin.
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16:39.45slaxxinwhy the bootloader still say moko 12
16:40.06slaxxinshouldmt it be something newer?
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16:40.33SargunWhat's the status on getting more FRs in stock?
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16:40.57ShellEvilLast I checked, Koolu still had some in stock
16:41.05slaxxinthey need more than 290 people wanting 1
16:41.09bricodeShellEvil: Indeed we do.
16:41.09donaqi just totally got mine!
16:41.11Davedaenyth, put yourself on the map, man! ;)
16:41.14Davehey bri :)
16:41.15donaqall the way in singapore baby!
16:41.22bricodeDave: Howty.
16:41.25Dave:D
16:41.27torindelslaxxin: you should update to something that says 1.3.1-git something
16:41.29donaqlinux just booted up on my phone!
16:41.34donaqgeek stats went up!
16:41.35DaveStill in Antarctica, I see.
16:41.48slaxxinthank god
16:41.51Davedonaq, did you make a saving throw?
16:41.59DaenythDave: installing matchbox
16:42.00Daenythchill :
16:42.03bricodeAny h/w devs kicking around in here today?
16:42.03donaqknows he's being an ass but he doesn't care because he's so happy
16:42.03slaxxinan raster of course
16:42.05Daenythand then I need to go outside
16:42.09DaenythDave: link/info/etc?
16:42.15Daveman, if I write a dice program for the freerunner right now, I'm sure it'll become famous.
16:42.21torindelslaxxin: just look in daily build or something
16:42.24donaqDave, hahaha
16:42.25Davedaenyth, link info, for what?
16:42.35DaenythDave: map?
16:42.37Daenythtangogps stuff?
16:42.39Davedonaq, someone will be like, one moment, let me consult my freerunner :)
16:42.43Daenythdo it from the FR?
16:42.45slaxxindoes opkg upgrade uboot to?
16:42.46Davedaenyth, do you have tangogps installed?
16:42.52DaenythI just finished flashing
16:42.56torindelslaxxin: yep
16:42.57Daenythgimme a few to get it up to speed
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16:43.27slaxxinif it does then i should have it already
16:43.28LuYuive heard android runs on the FreeRunner -- is it possible for ordinary users to get their hands on an image or the source?
16:43.33Davedaenyth, install tangogps, go outside just get a fix, then go inside, plug it back in, go to the map and say Update Me! under the Friends tab :)
16:43.38DaveLuyu!
16:43.40DaenythDave: k
16:43.45Dave:]
16:43.51Daenythbah, that means I have to get dressed and go outside
16:43.57donaqundoubtedly!
16:43.59Daveyou do?
16:44.06DaveWell, depends on your neighbors, now doesn't it :p
16:44.09torindelLuYu: orginal demo android image doesnt as it was built for armv5
16:44.09Daenythhehe
16:44.16bricodeLuYu: Not yet.
16:44.18slaxxinsave the maps to the sdcard
16:44.24Davehuhu
16:44.36LuYuwhen android comes out, will it be just a download away?
16:44.36Davecrosscompilation ~_~
16:44.43Davedubious
16:44.45slaxxinoooo nooo
16:44.45bricodeLuYu: Koolu will have a port available once Android is released by Google.
16:44.58LuYukewl
16:45.09donaqin case anyone is interested, i got mine from koolu
16:45.10slaxxin#android?
16:45.13Davecthulhu?
16:45.15donaqquite promptly i might add
16:46.01bricodeLuYu: You interested in Android development?
16:46.01LuYuhahaha
16:46.01Davebricode, are you?
16:46.02Dave;)
16:46.02LuYuim interested in android USE
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16:46.02bricodeDave: Happen to be :)
16:46.02LuYui want a stable image for my freerunner
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16:46.10Daveheh
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16:46.18slaxxinwhy would a later version of uboot have a smaller #   this is just not right    
16:46.19DaveGood luck!
16:46.21LuYualso, i want to try to use every distro possible
16:46.22ShellEvilThere will only be a stable image after the horse has bolted.
16:46.25ShellEvilOr something.
16:46.25LuYuhahahaha
16:46.26bricodeLuYu: Understood. In the meantime you might want to check out the qtopia stack.
16:46.37Daveyeehaw?
16:46.44torindelslaxxin: well its newer one ;]
16:46.47LuYuactually, ive been using rasters image
16:46.52LuYuits cool
16:46.55slaxxinreeally?
16:46.57Daenythhmm
16:47.00LuYuunless i install a terminal
16:47.00Daenythwith the 2007.2 images
16:47.05Daenyththe screenshots on the wiki are all pretty
16:47.07LuYuwell, its stable -- as a phone
16:47.10Daenythwhereas my FR is kind of boxy
16:47.13torindelslaxxin: yea it have newer bugs ;]
16:47.14Daveeh?
16:47.15Daenythis there some theme or something?
16:47.21LuYutranslation:  GPS + SMS only
16:47.29donaqhmm
16:47.29LuYuoops
16:47.31thexceptioncya
16:47.32munga2can anybody point me the uboot upgrade procedure page on the wiki ?
16:47.37LuYus/GPS/GSM
16:47.40LuYutypo
16:47.42slaxxinloloolloll
16:47.45donaqit's surprisingly finger friendly out of the box
16:47.46Zorkmanmunga2: flashing the freerunner
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16:48.06LuYuyeah, but the old 2007 image is much more useful
16:48.11Zorkmanmunga2: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_Freerunner
16:48.12slaxxinthe little red links
16:48.16munga2Zorkman: thanks :)
16:48.32LuYuand it doesnt have that horrid keyboard (i hope i havent offended anybody, but i really hate it)
16:48.58Tig|so far the best keyboard I have found is the one on the FSO
16:49.07Tig|which i think i the illume one
16:49.51nyuhow do you write a '/' with om2007 keyboard?
16:50.06DaveYou can't
16:50.12Daveget matchbox-keyboard
16:50.17slaxxinu modify the keyboard   per the wiki
16:50.21Daveoh yeah
16:50.22Dave:p
16:50.25Daveannoying -_-
16:51.02nyuouch
16:51.20slaxxinits a learning path
16:51.24donaqok some of my sim card contacts are missing for some reason
16:51.31LuYuyeah
16:51.32donaqtime to break out the ssh
16:51.35DaveThey have been abducted!
16:51.37slaxxinthe get lost
16:51.38LuYui like the 2007 image one
16:51.39donaqcracks knuckles
16:51.43DaveYou will be next!
16:51.50LuYubut the illume keyboard drives me nuts
16:51.51donaqdo they stay lost?
16:51.59Davecheck the e db
16:52.00donaqi mean if i move it back to my other mobile
16:52.05donaqwill they reappear?
16:52.11Davefurthermore are you using wurp's script?
16:52.31donaqno idea what that is. pardon me. total noob here
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16:52.39donaqi just booted up minutes ago
16:53.18wurp2|workingdonaq: I have heard of people having your problem
16:53.28wurp2|workingAll contacts after a certain entry being missing
16:53.28LuYui hate predictive software
16:53.29Daenythwurp2|working: your script worked perfectly
16:53.30Daenyth:)
16:53.37wurp2|workingDaenyth: excellent, glad to hear it
16:53.39LuYuis there a way to shut off the predictive bit?
16:53.46wurp2|workingSorry you had to taint your neo w/ python ;-)
16:53.59DaenythLuYu: use a different keyboard or remove the words files
16:54.01ZorkmanLuYu: post your opinion on https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1864
16:54.16slaxxinWARNING  --THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING--   SOMEONE MORE NOOBULAS THAN SLAXXIN HAS ENTERED THE ROOM  
16:54.18wurp2|workingDaenyth: Do your contacts have non-ascii characters in the names?
16:54.24LuYuso, theres quite a discussion going on this
16:54.36Zorkmanslaxxin: I'm also here :)
16:54.50donaqwurp2|working: having bugs now is fine with me. i understand it's still a hackers' toy. but what's important to me is, are they still on the sim card?
16:55.03Daenythwurp2|working: nope
16:55.05ZorkmanLuYu: this has been discussed a hundred times, there have been probbaly more than 100 mails about tin, and the dev's still don't get it
16:55.07donaqis the noobest.
16:55.19Zorkmanchallenges donaq
16:55.34Daveslaxxin :)
16:55.37donaqjust unpacked and booted up 5 minutes ago
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16:55.42Davefight fight fight fight
16:55.52donaqwins...?
16:55.57Zorkmandonaq: I've only used linux for a month now
16:56.00donaqoh
16:56.04slaxxinDONAQ   JUXT KIDDIN AROUND
16:56.06Zoup_Illume keyboard sometimes fully disappear , it does show standard om2008 keyboard
16:56.07Zorkmantouché
16:56.10slaxxin<PROTECTED>
16:56.12donaqi meant with the openmoko :p
16:56.37donaqslaxxin, it's fine. i don't spend my days worrying about what people on irc say to me :D
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16:57.15DaveZorkman :D
16:57.23Davesends slaxxin SIGTRANQ
16:57.28Davecalm yourself down, mister :P
16:57.36Zorkmangoogles for sigtranq :)
16:57.46DaveYou'll likely find me.
16:57.50Zorkmanhaha
16:57.52Zorkmanindeed :)
16:57.57Dave>:)
16:58.17wurp2|workingslaxxin FTW:  ne1 typing all caps is automatically noober than ne1 typing lower case
16:58.23LuYuthis is kinda funny
16:58.50LuYuactually, motorola's linux phones had a similar thing for chinese
16:59.13LuYui turned it off within 24 hours of obtaining the phone
16:59.20transylvaniajust a small question about booting on a single sd card ext2 partition (rootfs+kernel on the same) must the kernel image be in / or /boot of the partition ?
16:59.48transylvania(with the line setenv menu_3 QTopia: setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=5 \${mtdparts} ro\; mmcinit\; ext2load mmc 1:1 0x32000000 \${sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x32000000)
16:59.49slaxxinlol
16:59.50slaxxinyup
16:59.58ZorkmanLuYu: add your opinion to the thread, maybe they'll listen after 200messages...
17:00.06LuYuhahahaha
17:00.09LuYuokay
17:00.09LuYuwill do
17:00.13DaveHatemail away!
17:00.20Davedrops his letters in bomb form
17:00.24slaxxinalmost as noobulus as typing your root password in irc
17:00.25Zorkman:)
17:00.40Davetotally noobular dudes!
17:01.02slaxxinDUDE
17:01.11DaveWHERE'S MY FREERUNNER!?
17:01.17Tig|ah well that would be easy to do with the default one on the FR :P
17:01.29Daenythhow can I recover/reset my tangogps password?
17:01.37Daveeh?
17:01.49Daveoh, heehee
17:01.52DaveYou forgot it ALREADY?
17:01.53Dave:P
17:01.53Zorkmandunno Daenyth: ask marcus
17:01.55DaenythI had set it up on a previous one, but then I flashed over it
17:02.16DaenythI don't see a "log in" button on the gps thing
17:02.20Daenythdo I just put in my nick?
17:02.24donaqmy root password is *********
17:02.25pazanteis it important to upgrade the uboot
17:02.40slaxxinwith the gps an all   maybe some added insusance is inorder
17:02.40Zorkmanpazante: in short: yes :)
17:03.09Zorkmanpazante: not like every week or so, but if you are still running the stock u-boot, you're best off with updating (for charging, booting from sd...)
17:03.20slaxxinsince  all  your bases belong to us
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17:04.28pazantethanks then should i take the uboot that is in http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/
17:04.39DaveNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
17:05.03pazanteok what uboot should iuse
17:05.10Zorkmanpazante: that u-boot is ok
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17:06.24khaije1i was just reading the latest few feeds on planet openmoko, pretty awesome!!!
17:06.42Zorkmanthank you khaije1!!!
17:06.57ZorkmanI especially liek the ones from Xiangfu Liu
17:07.23khaije1it got me wondering though about how FSO relates to the debian port, are they compatible? i'm interested in the possibilities
17:07.32DaveZorkman :)
17:07.43DaveZorkman, hey, at least I can get the gist of it!
17:07.53DaveStupid people making fun of his posts :|
17:08.30khaije1o is that what that was? lol
17:08.33LuYuwhile im talking about input
17:08.34ZorkmanDave: I'm kinda like Xiangfu, I always read his updates on his work on the lists
17:08.53LuYuis there a way to make the input work correctly in landscape mode?
17:09.09mjrkhaije1, there are FSO packages for the Debian install, if you follow the documented route they will be installed
17:09.13ZorkmanLuYu: if you 2007.2 is fully upgrade it "kinda" works
17:09.37LuYuso, its even buggy after a full upgrade
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17:09.48Pinarafhi
17:10.12DaveZorkman?
17:10.16PinarafI'm trying to get stereo output on my headset, but it doesn't work.
17:10.18DaveZe Frans!
17:10.32Pinarafusing 2007.2, when I restore gsmheadset.state, I get no output
17:10.42Pinarafand when I restore headset.state, I get only the right channel
17:10.53Pinaraf(the sound comes from the media player, not any GSM thing)
17:11.28donaqany way to check how much amp you're charging at?
17:11.36Zorkmanyes
17:11.48donaqis it on the wiki?
17:11.53Zorkmanhttp://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/batmon/batmon.py
17:12.06ZorkmanI don't think it's on the wiki (like everything...) you could add it though
17:12.11Davena na na na na na BATMON!
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17:12.17donaqthanks Zorkman
17:12.21Zorkmandonaq: http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/projects/power.py
17:12.57DaveOH MAN
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17:13.05DaveHow much I adore Engrish haiku.
17:13.09Zorkman:)
17:13.45Zorkmanis doing reboot #121384
17:13.47DaveJust reading the labels/boxes of certain electronic devices make very hesitant to ever want to use them.
17:14.01DaveFor fear of my own safety.
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17:14.44ZorkmanI hate restarting my normal phone and I almost never have to (once every two months maybe...) and it certainly takes less... I'ml wondering why I haven't eaten the FR yet :)
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17:15.43Davescary explosions
17:15.49Daenythis there anything special I have to do in tangogps to get a fix?
17:16.03ZorkmanDaenyth: you have gpsd and configured it right?
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17:16.05Davego outside? wait ten minutes?
17:16.09Daveoh yeah, good point :p
17:16.12Davemake sure GPSD is running
17:16.14Davegpsd
17:16.32Daenyth10 minutes? :/
17:16.36Davecould be
17:16.40Zorkmanclear sky ==> 40 sec
17:16.41Davewhy, afraid of the sunlight? ;D
17:16.47Zorkmaneven less when I use my u-blox server data
17:16.52DaenythI can't see the screen in sunlight >_>
17:16.57Davezorkman, cheetar :P
17:16.59Daenythmaybe it's the protective cover?
17:17.01Davedaenyth :P
17:17.06Davenah, it
17:17.08Daveit's shitty
17:17.21Davecome on, it's not like it's got 400nits :p
17:17.30Daenyth?
17:17.46Zorkmani'll ask my eightball
17:17.50Daverofl
17:18.01Daveapt 8ball Should Daenyth go outside?
17:18.02aptAbsolutely.
17:18.04ZorkmanQuestion: doe sit have 400nits?
17:18.06DaveSee!
17:18.10Zorkmananswer: Outlook: Not So Good
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17:18.15Dave:p
17:18.30DaveNot So Good kind of describes the freerunner accurately :\
17:18.44Zorkmanapt 8ball Is my moko eightball better than yours?
17:18.44aptUnsure.
17:18.52Davepfft
17:19.41Davepop pop pop, goes my leds
17:19.51kushalThe GPS unit in freerunner will not work without the antenna ?
17:19.58Davehuh?
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17:20.04hariit works in mine
17:20.06DaveAs in, if you rip the internal antenna out of it?
17:20.15DaveWhat do you think.
17:20.16Dave-_-
17:20.27wurp2|workingZorkman: Not 40 sec for first fix ever, w/ no inet connection, I don't think...
17:20.29DaveThough it does not require an external antenna, no.
17:20.35Davebut it certainly does help.
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17:20.40Zorkmanwurp2|working: it worked for me....
17:20.44Daenythohh
17:20.50Daenythnow I see why it's running slow
17:20.56Daveit's on fire?
17:20.58Daenythopkg update/upgrade in background
17:20.58wurp2|workingZorkman: 1st time?  No inet connection?
17:20.58kushalDave, ok, thanks
17:21.04Davelul
17:21.09Zorkmanwurp2|working: yeah, well at least under 1min
17:21.19Davewurp2, I've gotten a 12 sat fix in 1-2 seconds from power on
17:21.21Zorkmanclear conditions, no obstacles near
17:21.26kushalDave, I just got a piece from my friend , trying to figure out how to use the gps
17:21.29Zorkmanhaha lol :)
17:21.30Davebut it's not often that happens, though when I'm outside it's not hard
17:21.40DaveI also believe that the chip might still contain info? *shrugs*
17:21.42Zorkmancan I have a piece of your girfliend also?
17:21.42harikushal, maybe you want to go outside :-)
17:21.48Davekushal :)
17:21.51wurp2|workingZorkman: that confuses the hell out of me... it takes 12 minutes to get the ephemera, unless you can dl it from the inet
17:21.57Davezorkman o_o
17:22.03wurp2|workingand ephemera goes bad in a few hours
17:22.10Davewtf
17:22.11Zorkmanwurp2|working: 12min? are you serious??
17:22.23DaveWhat are you smoking over there?
17:22.45Zorkman(Dave: I read "<kushal> Dave, I just got a piece from my girlfriend ")
17:23.18DaveZorkman, did YOU?
17:23.30Dave;p
17:23.30Daveor maybe you wish you did :p
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17:24.22wurp2|workingSorry, 12 min to dl almanac
17:24.26kushalZorkman, hehe
17:25.01kushalplease tell me one thing, how can I figure out if I am receiving any GPS signal or not ?
17:25.28Zorkmankushal: install openmoko-agps
17:25.30Davecat /dev/ttySAC1
17:25.47ieatlintDave, the library is complete and working (undoubtedly with bugs, memory leaks, and ways to improve its performance)
17:26.01ieatlint(i also have a test application setup to interface with it)
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17:26.06khaije1mjr: sorry i got distracted, FSO is an compatibility/api layer right?
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17:26.27khaije1so this means i can use debian as my main OS when i get my FR?
17:26.36khaije1this seems perfectly ideal
17:26.57mjrFSO is a phone application framework or somesuch thing
17:27.27Zorkmananybody got ReMoKo runningK?
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17:27.39Zorkmanit doesn't work on my 2008.8 and on my 2007.2
17:27.44DaveYAY
17:27.51mjrand yes you can. Though when I tried I got hit by some phonecall issues that prompted a change back to 2007.2 for now
17:27.54Daveieatlint, sounds hot
17:27.58Davesend it on over, baby!
17:28.04DaveIf you would be so kind... :)
17:28.16Zorkmanthe buss application?
17:28.24Davebus, yes
17:28.25ieatlintyeah
17:28.31Davelint, is the app for pc? portable?
17:28.38Daenyth<PROTECTED>
17:28.43ieatlintDave, i will in a few, i need to clean up some random files, and then i need to make a phone call
17:28.51Daenythit then says to opkg update, but I did that just before I tried to install
17:28.52Davesure sure
17:28.59Daenythand I got it installed last time I flashed this image!
17:29.01ZorkmanDaenyth: can you ping google?
17:29.01Daveieatlint, I hope not on your freerunner :)
17:29.03Daenythso I have no clue why it won't
17:29.04khaije1mjr: ya, i don't fully understand how they all slot together- is debian the equivalent of OE, and then FSO is that mythical dus layer?
17:29.05DaenythZorkman: yes
17:29.19ZorkmanDaenyth: can you wget it?
17:29.24Daenythmoment
17:29.32mjrkhaije1, close enough
17:29.33Davewhee
17:29.34ieatlintDave, http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/clate/
17:29.44ieatlintDave, example output from the example program :P
17:29.48Zorkmanieatlint: just to let you know, i like your programs
17:30.16Daveooh la la
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17:30.21Davezorkman, yeah yeah
17:30.26Davewe all heart ieatlint
17:30.29ieatlinthah
17:30.30Davewe all want a piece of him, eh? :p
17:30.35Daenythoh
17:30.37Daenythno I couldn't
17:30.38ieatlintZorkman, do you live in a place with nextbus?
17:30.38Davewe should donate money or something
17:30.43Daveieatlint, haha, no
17:30.45DaenythI know why now
17:31.06DaveI'm pretty sure they don't have nextbus in Belgium
17:31.19DaveAlthough there is here!
17:31.23Davego go clate!
17:31.24ieatlintyeah, then sadly this program won't help you unless you visit a place with nextbus :P
17:31.38Daenythhow do I specify multiple `route's? Different ones for each interface
17:31.40ieatlintok, i gots to go make the phone call... hopefully back soon to give out the stuffs to you dave
17:31.49LuYuis there a way to install the terminal in 2008 without illume stomping rasters keyboard?
17:31.52Zorkmandon't worry ieatlint, I forgive you this one useles program :)
17:32.12ieatlintDave, and yeah, it's gnu c, so it's portable (i haven't even touched the freerunner with it yet)
17:32.19Daveieatlint, oh
17:32.20khaije1mjr: thats awesome but the thing that confuses me a little is, so OS's are more or less interchangable as long as they impliment the called-from-FSO services correctly?
17:32.27DaveIeatlint, I think the cutest part is it's all stolen
17:32.28ieatlintDave, just the library and a test app... gui next
17:32.31Davelike if you look at the info :)
17:32.38Daveerr, I mean, "Borrowed" :)
17:32.42ieatlintwell, the code isn't :)
17:32.45Daveyep
17:32.55Daveare you adding the library next?
17:33.07ieatlintDave, clate is an interface to the library
17:33.17Daveliblate isn't there [yet]
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17:33.20ieatlintclate just makes the queries and formats the data
17:33.27Davenor is the clate program
17:33.28Dave:D
17:33.34ieatlintok, i really got to go, bb soon
17:33.40Davegrr, fine :)
17:33.45Daveway to tease me ;)
17:33.53khaije1using debian as the OS would seem to be more mainline than OE, thats why im wondering
17:34.12khaije1it almost seems to preemt it actually
17:34.19kushalDave, cat /dev/ttySAC1 is mostly giving no output
17:34.24Davehuh?
17:34.31Davekushal, do you have tangogps installed?
17:34.36kushalDave, yes
17:34.39Davestart it!
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17:34.40Daveuse it!
17:34.44Daveenjoy it!
17:34.51Zorkmankushal: which distro are you using?
17:34.58Davezorkman, shush :p
17:34.59Zorkmanif you're using 2008.8, you need to enable GPS
17:35.01kushalDave, I can see OSM maps
17:35.07kushalZorkman, how ?
17:35.08Davekushal what does it tell you?
17:35.27Zorkmankushal: if you're using 2008.8: settings --> GPS
17:35.44Daveset zorkman on
17:36.23kushalI don't know which build it is, but first I have to find the settings menu :p
17:36.46Zorkmankushal: if you haven't flashed it, ignore what I said
17:37.29kushalZorkman, I never did, but the guy who gave me did couple of times
17:38.18Zorkmanok kushyal, does your interface look like http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/3361178bfba7dd80adb383d4908c280d.png?
17:38.24kushalI can see only "Calculator,GPS and Map,Htop, Take Snapshot,Terminal,Zhone" apps
17:38.27Zorkman-?
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17:38.48kushallet me check the link
17:38.58kushalZorkman, no
17:39.00ZorkmanI'm guessing you have FSO
17:39.05ZorkmanI have to go eat now
17:39.34Davesweet
17:39.45Davedon't eat lint
17:39.46Daveor me :)
17:39.51Davehaha oh man, that'd be scary
17:39.55Daveieatdave
17:39.56kushalZorkman, ok
17:40.03DaveI think that title is reserved for my significant other ;)
17:40.17kushalDave, sorry to ask like so noob, but can you help me on this ?
17:41.09DaveIs GPS turned on?
17:41.15kushalDave, no idea
17:41.21kushalDave, Zorkman http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/756bcea4bf6aab4b35bfe7a2db699912.png
17:41.24kushalmy screen
17:41.30Daveps aux | grep gpsd
17:41.43Davekushal, what page is that on?
17:41.46Dave(scap)
17:41.50Tig|kushal: you are running the FSO image
17:41.54kushalDave, home
17:41.56Daveoh
17:41.57kushalTig|, ok
17:42.02Daveuhh
17:42.03Tig|milestone2 by the look of it :)
17:42.05kushalDave, gpsd is not running
17:42.06Davedoes fso even use GPSD?
17:42.23Tig|Dave: nope don't think so
17:42.24DaveThere are fso-specific instructions on the tangogps website.
17:42.32Dave:)
17:42.37Tig|it does it via dbus and magicness
17:43.05Daveframeworkd
17:43.08Daveright
17:43.20Davekushal, go to http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/7-Installation.html#extended and scroll down to the special installation notes for FSO
17:43.24Davethat should help you :)
17:43.38Tig|TangoGPS says "I would like the GPS please" and stuff happens (tm) and it works (from an end user perspective) :)
17:43.54Daveheh, cute :)
17:43.54Tig|likes it a lot
17:43.54kushalDave, thanks, let me check it
17:43.54Daveyeah
17:44.04Davekushal, after doing that, using tangogps should be fine
17:44.15Davebut to get a fix, you might need to step outside for a moment :)
17:44.48Tig|or sling a gps external antenna out the window :)
17:45.24kushalok
17:45.33Tig|I bought one for £5 as I was fed up of getting wet when playing with the gps apps :)
17:45.45DaenythCan someone help me get mofi working? http://pastebin.ca/1185478
17:47.32kushalDave, Tig| I am getting error on opkg install http://rafb.net/p/pAzjkO90.html
17:48.37Tig|kushal: ignore the signature check errors.  opkg error 2 usually means that it can't find the package you asked for in the feeds
17:48.41taminkushal is it possible that you cannot ping to google as name for example, then your resolv.conf is not correct
17:49.04Tig|this is not suprising though as by default the fso image does not have any feeds configured in it
17:49.14kushaltamin, I can ping
17:49.30kushalTig|, how to configure feeds ?
17:49.34Tig|I have been away for  couple of weeks so I don't know if there even are any set up at the moment
17:50.02Tig|someone will hopefully come along and correct me
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17:50.13kushalanyone please :)
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17:51.04Tig|you need to edit the opkg config files which are (iirc) in /etc/opkg but I don't think there are any feeds for the fso for other software
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17:52.11kushalTig|, no , not there
17:52.32kushalTig|, can I point it to some gpsd*.ipk file on internet ?
17:53.27Daenythwhat is the microsd card /dev ?
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17:54.01kushalTig|, btw, what is FSO ?
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17:55.14ZorkmanTig|, kushal: there are feeds for FSO
17:55.32kushalZorkman, link ?
17:55.48kushalZorkman, thanks for saying that :)
17:56.17Zorkmanhttp://shr.bearstech.com/
17:56.25Zorkmanthere is a testing and an unstable branch
17:56.31Daenyth!ping
17:56.31cdbot2pong
17:56.38Zorkmanif you're not a developper I would suggest the testing branch :)
17:56.42kushalZorkman, ok
17:56.59kushalI am strictly not for OpenMoko
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17:57.31bumblhi
17:57.45bumblanything ground breaking new since yesterday?
17:57.58ieatlintyep
17:58.04ieatlintthe local market has coke on sale
17:58.06Zorkmanzedstar: if the files are compiled, would you be so kind as to PM me?
17:58.10Zorkmanloo bumbl
17:58.20kushalZorkman, so I should make a file like fso-feed.conf
17:58.24kushaland inside
17:58.27Zorkmanbumbl: yes: the devs STILL don't get we want a usable keyboard :)
17:58.55bumblieatlint: oh my god, what an advantage
17:59.00Zorkmanbumbl: and my ps3 controller still doesn't swork, but zedstar is compiling something :)
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17:59.10ieatlintbumbl, hell yeah, economy of scale!
17:59.12bumbl^^
17:59.19kushalsrc/gz all http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/
17:59.54kushalZorkman, can you please help me with the syntax of the file ?
17:59.56ieatlintanyone else here using nextbus?
18:00.09Zorkmankushal: sec
18:00.23zedstarzorkman np....it is still building the first one
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18:01.17Zorkmankushal:create a .conf file and add lines like this:
18:01.18Zorkmansrc/gz fso-om-gta02 http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/om-gta02
18:01.47kushalok, done
18:02.54Zorkmananybody got accelerometers running on 2007.2?
18:03.11kushalZorkman, update is giving error http://rafb.net/p/UIf4m273.html
18:03.40bumblraises the hand
18:03.55Zorkmanbumbl: how??
18:03.59Daenythhas anyone else been unable to launch mofi?
18:04.05Tig|Zorkman: I have run that demo script and got data back from them
18:04.12DaenythI remember someone from yesterday said he couldn't but then other people said that they could
18:04.20bumblZorkman: I used a patched version of neod
18:04.24ZorkmanDaenyth: only in 2008.8, but after doing somet hings it worked
18:04.49Zorkmanbumbl: that patched version made my FR unbootable a while ago...
18:04.53Daenythoh
18:05.03bumblahh
18:05.18bumblI haven't used 2007.2 for a while
18:06.11DaenythZorkman: does anything work with 2007.2?
18:06.23DaenythI mean
18:06.29ZorkmanDaenyth: on the whole everything works better than on 2008.8 exept acelerometers
18:06.32Daenythit doesn't even launch, it says that it can't load the cairo module
18:06.41kushalZorkman, no gpsd package
18:06.42ZorkmanDaenyth: never had that problem...
18:06.50DaenythZorkman: really? Everything I've read says that 2008 isn't suitable for an everyday phone
18:07.03Daenythblah, I just spent hours customizing this flash!
18:07.33transylvaniathe uboot console will make me totally crazy ! 10 times that I try to edit a boot entry, and each time I get a 1 char difference between my typing and the display
18:07.54transylvaniaand this lead to a random char lost in the line
18:07.59transylvaniais this "normal" ?
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18:08.38kushalZorkman, what should I do know ? (sorry for disturbing so much)
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18:09.38kushalthere is a gpsd-conf package should I install that ?
18:09.50Zorkmanis on the phone
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18:10.37kushaloh
18:10.38kushalok
18:11.36phrozen77uhm
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18:11.48phrozen77why do the supposed 2007.2 images have 2008 in their names?
18:11.58mmontourtransylvania: try the "neocon" terminal program in the OM SVN tree - it has an option to add a per-character delay
18:12.12Daenythhow many batteries are inside the stylus?
18:12.26ArteKDaenyth: 4
18:12.31Daenythok good
18:12.35Daenythwhich way do they go :/
18:12.43DaenythI was playing with it and opened it up by accident
18:12.52CVirushehe
18:13.13Daenyth+ toward the lights or pen tip?
18:13.29phrozen77any insight which milestone of the fso stack should be used?
18:13.58Daenyth+ toward pen tip
18:13.59Daenythok
18:14.01Daenythheh
18:14.59Zorkmankushal: FSO works with gypsy
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18:15.04RXShortyhello all
18:15.17kushalZorkman, means ?
18:15.22RXShortyI got a quick question... how can I set the proxy so I can use opkg behind a proxy
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18:15.37Zorkmankushal: that i do not now if you need gpsd :)
18:15.48ZorkmanIt's been a long while since i used FSO and have never tested GPS on it
18:15.51Daenythok so
18:15.59phrozen77Zorkman, any insight which fso milestone should be working best?
18:16.31kushalZorkman, from where I can install gpsd, it is not there (the link you gave)
18:16.32DaenythCan someone tell me which /dev entry is the microsd card? I have mmcblk0p1 at /media/card, but it's tiny. Nowhere near 256mb
18:17.00Daenyth/dev/mmcblk0p1            8.3M     46.0k      8.3M   1% /media/card
18:17.01mmontour/dev/mmcblk0 is the whole card
18:17.10Daenyththat's the only partition
18:17.33mmontouruse 'fdisk /dev/mmcblk0' to repartition it
18:17.34ZorkmanDaenyth: looks like you tried booting from SD, the wiki suggests making a 8MB first partition to put the kernel on it
18:17.37DaenythI was mistaken when I tried to install qtopia and formatted the card, I thought that I had remade the original partition, but I must have done something wrong
18:17.57Daenythmoment
18:18.35Daenythok
18:18.39phrozen77Zorkman, thanks for ignoring! :P
18:18.43Daenythprimary or logical partition
18:18.54Daenythbecause when I did logical I used the defaults and that was the size it made
18:19.05Daenytherr
18:19.08Daenyths/logical/primary/
18:19.28Daenyths/logical/extended/
18:19.33RXShortybut anybody got an idea how to set the proxy settings?
18:20.32mmontourI've only ever used primary partitions. It's also a good idea to blank out the start of the card before partitioning it, e.g. "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1024 count=1". Also make sure that none of the SD-card partitions are mounted when you do this
18:21.06kushalZorkman, ok, package name, and many file names changed
18:21.28Daenythmmontour: why blank it like that?
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18:22.56mmontourOne time I had a card with some cruft in the first sector, and the automounter tried to mount /dev/mmcblk0 as a VFAT filesystem even after I had partitioned it
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18:24.02kushalhow to turn on the GPS hardware ?
18:24.27Daenythmmontour: that fixed it, thanks. It was somehow misreading the end of the device
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18:25.04Daenythfdisk thought that the device ended after 8mb
18:25.05Daenyth:P
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18:25.32transylvaniaif someone can help me, I try to boot on qtopia image with kernel on the same partition. My kernel is on the sdcard at /uImage.bin and the boot loader says it can't find it (my menu entry is exactly the "Boot entry for kernel and rootfs on same ext2 partition (tested with Qtopia/requires newer u-boot)
18:25.49transylvaniafrom the wiki and I have a new uBoot
18:26.38Daenythmmontour: but now it says the card is 468MB?
18:26.39Daenythhuh
18:26.49Daenythis the ext3 overhead REALLY that much?
18:26.56Daenyth(and should I pick another fs)?
18:27.10torindelDaenyth: ext2 doesnt have journal ;]
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18:27.26torindel(and its yournal that eating your space)
18:27.29torindel+s
18:27.30Daenythhmm
18:27.50Daenythwhat fs would get me the most space with acceptable reliability?
18:28.04transylvaniaext2
18:28.06Daenythok
18:28.18torindelDaenyth: you repartitioned your card?
18:28.29Daenythyes
18:28.36transylvaniabut I don't think the journal can take that much space
18:28.42torindelDaenyth: better make 2 partitions
18:28.48Daenythtorindel: why
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18:28.58transylvaniamaybe you have something wrong with your partition Daenyth
18:29.03Daenythhrm
18:29.04Daenythmaybe
18:29.06torindelDaenyth: since glamo tends to eat first one along with partition table at suspend
18:29.10kushalZorkman, even http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/ is not having a gpsd package
18:29.13DaenythI redid it as ext2 and it's still tiny
18:29.18Daenythglamo?
18:29.22transylvaniatry to print your actual partition table
18:29.29torindelDaenyth: graphics controller
18:29.38torindelsd-card is hooked unto it
18:29.48Daenythok..
18:30.03torindelmake first one as small as you can and dont keep anything on it
18:30.05Daenythcan someone give me a step by step on how to restore it to the default which was shipped to me?
18:30.25RXShortyDaenyth, you mean OM 2007,2?
18:30.28transylvaniaDaenyth: fdisk /dev/mmcblk0
18:30.28Daenythyes
18:30.32RXShortyFlash it
18:30.42Daenythhr
18:30.46Daenythwith what though
18:30.56Daenyththis is the sd card, not rootfs
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18:31.12RXShortyheh
18:31.16transylvaniaDaenyth: om 2007.2 is on rootfs
18:31.25Daenythno no
18:31.26RXShortyyups
18:31.28torindelDaenyth: look for "freerunner release software" on wiki
18:31.37DaenythI want to recreate the sd card partition as it was when it got sent to me
18:31.40RXShortyoh if is shipped 2007.2 is on the rootfs ;)
18:31.40DaenythI messed it up somehow
18:31.46RXShortyahh
18:31.48RXShortythe sd card
18:31.49DaenythI made it as big as I could and it's only 468mb
18:31.58transylvaniayes that why I said: fdisk /dev/mmcblk0
18:32.07transylvaniathen delete everything
18:32.13Daenythdone
18:32.30transylvaniais "p" output empty ?
18:32.32Daenythyes
18:32.39transylvaniaso create a partition
18:32.42Daenythmmk
18:32.45transylvaniaa single one
18:32.45Daenythnp11?
18:32.54transylvanianp1
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18:33.12Daenythstarting at what cylinder
18:33.17transylvaniafirst
18:33.20transylvania(default)
18:33.24Daenythdone
18:33.29transylvaniaand ending at last (default)
18:33.34DaenythLast cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (1-15484, default 15484):
18:33.39Daenythtransylvania: that's what I did
18:33.42Daenythand it's 468mb
18:33.50Daenythand that's wrong
18:33.55transylvania\o/
18:34.00transylvaniavictory :)
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18:34.09transylvaniawrong ?
18:34.13Daenythtransylvania: I did the same thing before I did the dd line, and the last cylinder was at 8mb
18:34.23Daenythtransylvania: after I messed up the partition I tried to remake it
18:34.32Daenythlast cylinder was at 8.3mb
18:34.42transylvaniamaybe you did not destroyed all partition
18:34.46DaenythI did
18:35.11transylvaniadon't forget to write partition table before exiting
18:35.12Daenyththe cylinders went from 1-983 or so
18:35.28mmontourrants at how "C/H/S" geometry refuses to die, decades after it was actually relevant
18:35.33Daenythand after I zero'd it with dd as mmontour suggested last cylinder went to 15484
18:35.38Daenythwhich still isn't the real last one
18:35.49Daenythmaybe I should just zero the whole block device?
18:36.09transylvaniaI'am not sure of that
18:36.32transylvaniafor me I would try but I do not advise it
18:36.37DaenythI'm trying it already
18:36.39Daenythcan't hurt
18:36.47transylvanianormally
18:36.57transylvaniaso I have to eat
18:37.00Daenythlater
18:37.03mmontourDaenyth: "cat /proc/partitions" after you've fdisked it, compare the sizes of mmcblk0 and mmcblk0p1. Also make sure you're not confusing MB (*1000) with MiB (*1024)
18:37.33transylvaniawill try later for my qtopia kernel problem
18:37.46transylvaniabut I log if anyone as an idea
18:37.58kushalZorkman, somehow I managed to install and then start gpsd , showing in ps
18:38.09kushalDave, Zorkman what next ?
18:38.27RXShortyBut again my question maybe you know that transylvania?
18:38.38RXShortyi need to set the proxy settings on my openmoko device
18:38.41RXShortyany idea?
18:38.43Daenythmmontour: alright, I will. From what I remember the partition differed <100B
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18:38.59Daenythmmontour: and even accounting for MB/MiB; 512->468?
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18:39.57mmontour512000000 / 1024 / 1024 = 488 MiB
18:40.13Daenythso where did the other 20mb go
18:40.22Daenython ext2
18:40.55mmontourFilesystem overhead (inode tables, etc.) probaby
18:41.00Daenyththat much?
18:41.01Daenythwow
18:41.14mmontourDunno, can't be bothered to do the math
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18:41.35mjrthere's this thing called reserved blocks
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18:42.58phrozen77where the hell did Zorkman go :(
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18:44.29Daenythhrm
18:44.29Daenythok
18:45.39Daenythso you said to make partition 1 small as possible?
18:45.48undrwateranyone here running deb?
18:45.49Daenythcan I make it 1 cylinder in size?
18:45.52undrwateron the phone
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18:46.19kushalI think I am not being able to turn on the GPS hardware
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18:47.07ZorkmanZorkman was in the tub
18:47.11Zorkmannow he's back phrozen77
18:48.35Zorkmananybody have a build environment for gta02 that is idling?
18:48.37phrozen77all shiny i notice
18:48.40phrozen77so
18:48.46phrozen77which fso milestone should one use?
18:48.53Zorkmanphrozen77: the latest of cource
18:48.55phrozen77RECCAMENDASHUNS PLS
18:49.03Tig|2 unless 3 is out
18:49.05Zorkman*course
18:49.18phrozen77hm
18:49.25Zorkmanphrozen77: and you can upgrade them with te feeds from bearstech
18:49.30phrozen77after using 2008.8 i wasnt entirely convinced of that concept
18:50.09phrozen77a friendly note to the OM devs: IT JUST SUCK KTHX
18:50.15phrozen77s/SUCK/SUCKS/
18:50.21ZorkmanDave: do you know anyone who has Battle for Wesnoth running on the FR?
18:50.24phrozen77there you go
18:50.35undrwaterkthx?
18:50.55bumblDavey
18:51.25undrwateranyone know how to get wirelesstools to deb install?  i can scp..but not sure which package to use?
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18:53.01phrozen77makes a lightshow with his wndrfl pen
18:53.12malik1972undrwater: apt-cache search wireless or something like that
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18:53.51DaveBattle for Wesnoth?
18:53.58Zorkmanyeah, someone mentionned it on the ML
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18:54.11Davekushal, did you get everything working?
18:54.24Zorkman"I don't think it would be trivial
18:54.24Zorkmanto implement it for other (ported) apps like, say, Battle for Wesnoth
18:54.25Zorkmanor Numpty Physics
18:54.26Zorkman"
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18:54.31kushalDave, no :(
18:54.42kushalDave, I turned the unit off
18:54.55kushalnow trying to on it
18:55.00kushalwhich I can not :(
18:55.39kushalDave, in which distribution GPS works properly ?
18:55.39Davekushal, oh okay
18:55.41Davehuh?
18:55.45Davekushal, eh?
18:55.50Zorkmankushal: 2007.2 and 2008.8
18:55.56DaveI'm sure it works in fso
18:55.59Zorkmankushal: but it shoud also work in FSO
18:56.05Davehe just needs to have someone hold his hand the first time :)
18:56.13kushalZorkman, ok, let me try to install 2008.8
18:56.17Zoup_is there any way to directly call ACM modem ( it might not be right way to call this , like when you connect a USB phone to linux ) , Gprs manual says it is ttySAC0 but it does not answer to ATZ
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18:56.43Zorkmankushal: you can always install another distro on you SD card, that way you don't lose your FSO distro
18:56.45phrozen77hm
18:56.51Daenythwith tangogps is there a way I can cache maps in /tmp, but also have stored maps elsewhere
18:56.55Daveor you can just get fso to work
18:56.59phrozen772007.2 fails registering with gsm, so did 2008.8
18:57.03phrozen77im beginning to worry
18:57.03Daenythso that I can keep the tiles I want in non-volatile memory
18:57.09phrozen77the factory default 2007.2 did that just fine
18:57.10DaveWhy would you encourage someone to install 2008.8?
18:57.11phrozen77O_O
18:57.13kushalZorkman, Dave first I have to turn this unit on
18:57.20Daenythwhile not wasting space on the tiles I don't want
18:57.20Dave:)
18:57.21Davegood idea
18:57.25Daenythany way to do that?
18:57.30Davekushal, hold the power button in for ten seconds
18:57.38Davethen release, it should be powering on by then :)
18:57.40phrozen77is there a way to restart gsm?
18:57.49ZorkmanDaenyth: yes; you can add another repository in the config tab
18:57.50phrozen77oh
18:57.51phrozen77wow
18:57.56phrozen77after 5 minutes it registered
18:57.57phrozen77:D
18:58.02Daveclaps weakly
18:58.09phrozen77spanks Dave
18:58.11phrozen77there you go
18:58.15DaenythZorkman: but then will I have to switch between them?
18:58.40undrwatermalik1972: thanks...that's from the FR?
18:59.01kushaldave, not working :(
18:59.10Davehuh?
18:59.13DaveIt won't turn on?
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18:59.23Davekushal connect it to a power source, it should turn on automatically.
18:59.25kushalno
19:00.57phrozen77kushal, remove battery
19:00.59phrozen77had that too
19:01.07kushalphrozen77, ok
19:01.07phrozen77and plug it back in again
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19:02.10kushalphrozen77, ok, it is booting :)
19:02.22Davegood
19:02.26Davemake sure to charge your battery
19:02.27Dave:P
19:02.34kushalin office they call it brokenmoko :(
19:02.44Dave:D
19:02.46DaveYay
19:02.49kushalDave, it is almost charged
19:02.53ZorkmanDave: https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-bugs/2007-11/msg00361.html
19:02.58DaveI'm going to see if that domain is available :D
19:03.03Davezorkman, huh?
19:03.03Zorkman"I cross compiled wesnoth for arm to run on the neo1973 under openmoko linux.
19:03.09Daveso?
19:03.20Zorkmandunno, normally you are interested in new games for the FR :)
19:03.34DaveI don't even know what the game is
19:04.06Zorkmanme neither, but the cat's pyama's think it's the bee's knees
19:04.17Davepijamas?
19:04.18phrozen77lmao
19:04.21Zorkmanturn based game, also online mode
19:04.24Dave-_-
19:04.30Davesounds like a civ ripoff then? :P
19:04.43Zorkmanno, totally different
19:04.54Zorkmanfantasy theme
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19:05.06ZorkmanBuild up a great army of humans, elves, dwarves, orcs, trolls or any of the other races and beat those who dare to oppose you. Fight a desperate battle to reclaim the throne of Wesnoth, or take hand in any number of other adventures
19:05.19Zorkmanyou know, the usual :)
19:05.22Daveo_O
19:05.25Daveblah
19:05.30DaveI'd rather play D&D :)
19:05.43Zorkmanit's the closest we got so far...
19:05.47Davebah
19:05.49Daveslackers
19:06.41phrozen77Installing libxdamage1 (1:1.1.1-r1) to root...
19:06.47phrozen77that doesnt sound...good
19:06.48phrozen77O_o
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19:07.01jucsHey =)
19:07.14DaveJUCS
19:07.27Davephrozen: QUAD DAMAGE!
19:07.30DaveHUMILIATION!
19:07.33phrozen77ya rly
19:07.43jucsDAVE xD
19:07.49jucs;-)
19:08.00Dave:)
19:08.10phrozen77sausage fest?
19:08.15phrozen77:)
19:08.20slaxxinzorkman  u have an ipk of westnoth?
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19:08.32slaxxinos some package
19:08.42Zorkmanno, it seems only this guy https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-bugs/2007-11/msg00361.html got it compiled and it ran nice
19:09.03undrwatergrrr
19:09.07Zorkmanonly the loading times were long
19:09.14Zorkman(not as long as booting our phone though :))
19:09.31slaxxinwell
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19:09.37Zorkmanslaxxin: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/CompilingWesnoth/CrossCompiling
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19:10.54Davecrosscompile me some lunch
19:11.44Zorkmangrrr it seemed rabenfrost dudes got it
19:11.45Daenythcan the phone receive calls while suspended?
19:12.03Daenythand how in 2007.2 can I configure the power stuff
19:12.07DaenythI can't figure out how to set the times
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19:13.05kushalZorkman, Dave I am trying to install 2008.8
19:13.07slaxxini think u hold the aux
19:13.13kushalI formatted the card
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19:13.42Daenythslaxxin: no... not power either
19:13.47Daenythpower you can set the profile
19:13.47kushalI did before "  Populate SD card" in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD page
19:13.47Zorkmankushal: are you following the instructions on the wiki?
19:13.48slaxxinthe clock is on the getting started with freerunner wiki
19:13.58Daenythbut I can't figure out how to change the suspend time
19:13.58kushalZorkman, yes, what to do next ?
19:14.07Daenythit seems to have remembered my suspend settings from qtopia somehow
19:14.11Zorkmankushal: a hint: use FAT and ext2, that way you don't have to edit your u-boot (if it is up to date)
19:14.19kushalZorkman, did
19:14.33kushalZorkman, I finished partitioning
19:14.44kushalZorkman, after that what should I do? I am confused
19:14.54Zorkmanok, now you download the kernel and the rootfs file for the distro you want to install
19:15.02kushalZorkman, donwloading
19:15.27Zorkman(you want http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/20080826-asu-stable-rootfs.tar.gz  and  http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin)
19:16.04Daenythwhat gui tool can I use with 2007.2 to configure my suspend/dim/lock settings
19:16.13ZorkmanDaenyth: none
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19:16.19ZorkmanDaenyth: you can press and hold the power button
19:16.27Daenythbut that doesn't let me set when to do it
19:16.30Daenythcan I do it from cli?
19:16.34Zorkmanand then you can chose some settings: dim, then lock etc etc
19:16.54DaenythI changed the setting in qtopia, and then reflashed back to 2007.2, and it remembered my setting
19:17.20Zorkman(but it doesn't work right, if you select anything exept Power Managment Disabled it will suspend)
19:17.21slaxxinyikes
19:17.22Daenythalso, can it recieve calls while suspended
19:17.44tunysAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
19:17.47kushalZorkman, downloading the links you gave
19:17.48tunys(screams of joy)
19:17.51tunyshttp://is.gd/1WgO
19:18.17lloyd_fedoraanyone using the new 2008.8 stable image
19:18.27nyuZorkman: oh, wesnoth runs nice?
19:18.48nyuZorkman: btw, debian/armel has prebuilt packages ;-)
19:18.51Zorkmannyu: some said that, I haven't installed it because the ipk is no longer on the rabenfrost.net server
19:18.52nyuI'm gonna use a chroot
19:19.04Zorkmannyu: if you can make an ipk... :)
19:19.10undrwatertunys: congrats! you got me all excited tho :(
19:19.19nyuZorkman: I'm a debian devel!  I do debian-ish things
19:19.42nyubut ipk-based system is fine for my daily phone needs
19:19.44tunysforces undrwater to watch high-definition footage of really really old people swimming
19:19.50undrwaternyu: are you running deb on your phone?
19:20.02nyuundrwater: no, om2007
19:20.11Daenythhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Today-main-arrows.png <<-- is this 2008.8?
19:20.23undrwaterlooks into the pool in his back yard..."been there, done that"
19:20.53bumblDaenyth: no
19:21.15bumblthat was a 2007.1 or previous
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19:21.22bumblthe gui looked nice but was slooow
19:21.33Daenythoh
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19:21.55VeggenNew update of 2008.8 today?
19:21.58Daenythso with 2007.2, is there ANY way to configure power?
19:22.19Daenythaside from the power-button menu
19:22.27bumblVeggen: yesterday
19:22.37bumbla new rootfs was released
19:23.13undrwaterVeggen: power indicator works...
19:23.14Veggenbumbl: hmm. more stability/usability? I have a quite new freerunner, not really chosen what distro to run yet.
19:23.23undrwaterVeggen: a little snappier
19:23.28bumbldunno
19:23.46undrwaterVeggen: still no terminal
19:24.18bumblI crashed it because I did an upgrade using the angstorm, celtune, zecke repositories and die an opkg upgrade
19:24.23bumbl*kabum*
19:24.27Veggenno terminal? And can't install it after the fact?
19:24.33undrwaterVeggen: still bad keyboard...(anyone know if raster's KB is a package?
19:24.41undrwaterVeggen: you can...
19:24.41slaxxinif u want a terminal   you are on your own
19:25.00Veggenduh. It's Linux. Of course I want a terminal ;)
19:25.29slaxxinthen why do these releases not have  a termilal?
19:25.41undrwaterphone-centric maybe?
19:25.47slaxxinu got to install that too?
19:25.53bumblyou are three clicks away from a terminal
19:25.54undrwaterssh works after suspend :)
19:26.00slaxxinwell
19:27.05slaxxinmaybe i  justneed to  install some linux to start with
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19:32.36kushalZorkman, both the files downloaded to my lappy
19:32.38kushalnow ?
19:32.50Zorkmanhave you formatted the partitions?
19:32.55kushalyes
19:33.24Zorkmanok, on the FR: mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt/mokokernel
19:34.09kushaldone
19:34.18Zorkmanon your host: scp 20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin root@192.168.0.202:/mnt/mokokernel/uImage.bin
19:34.42Zorkmannot sure if that works though...maybe you have to scp 20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin root@192.168.0.202:/mnt/mokokernel/
19:34.58Zorkmanand on the fr rename the file  20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin to uImage.bin
19:35.11kushalshould work
19:35.26Zorkmanafterwards on the FR: mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/moko
19:35.27kushalZorkman, done upto that
19:35.50kushalfirst I have to create /mnt/moko
19:35.54Zorkmanyes indeed
19:36.14kushaldone
19:36.21Zorkmannow you only have to untar everything from your tar.gz file to that directory
19:36.43kushalZorkman, first I should copy it there
19:36.55kushalmay be to /tmp and then untar ?
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19:37.11Zorkmanput it anywhere you want, you can just rm it afterwards
19:37.18Zoup_guys i need a help , does your /dev/ttySAC0 responses to ATZ ?
19:37.40undrwaterZoup_: give me a command i'll try
19:38.17undrwaterZoup_: and is this with gpsd? or does it matter?
19:38.31Zoup_undrwater: without gspd i guess
19:38.48Zoup_undrwater: cat /dev/ttySAC0 on a terminal , echo "atz" > /dev/ttySAC0 on another
19:39.09undrwaterZoup_: so i'll need 2 terminals open
19:39.29Dave:)
19:40.15Zoup_undrwater: yes :)
19:40.50CIA-48openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r5e659abf4366 10/classes/ (rootfs_ipk.bbclass rootfs_opk.bbclass): [rootfs_?pk.bbclass] add -force-defaults to _ARGS to stop asking
19:40.52undrwaternothing ;)
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19:41.13Zoup_undrwater: and does your provider provides GPRS ?
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19:41.44undrwateryes...but i'm not using it
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19:42.31Zoup_undrwater: thank you pal :)
19:42.38Zoup_Anyone has experience on GPRS with FR ?
19:43.20Tig|Zoup_: there is some gprs stuff on the wiki,  not used it yet
19:43.23undrwatersorry i couldn't be more help...but isn't ttySAC0 gps?
19:43.34ShellEvilSAC0 is GSM IIRC
19:43.38Tig|undrwater: yes iirc
19:44.00Tig|as on 2007/8 you need to put it in gpsd.conf
19:44.12Zoup_Tig|: sorry put what ?
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19:45.00Zoup_Tig|: do i need to create interface for gprs under gprd.conf ?
19:45.00Zoup_and do i need gpsd in order to use gprs ?
19:45.10ShellEvilgpsd is for the GPS
19:45.18ShellEvilthe thing that tells you where you are.
19:45.35undrwaterZoup_ is looking for gprs i think...as opposed to gps
19:45.45Zoup_ShellEvil: hehe , nice thing , so where is Gprs device ?
19:45.58Zoup_ShellEvil: the thing that i can sent ATZ and expect OK ? :)
19:46.05Zorkmananyone has a build environment that is idling and is willing to compile a *.c file?
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19:46.38tuXXXnot idling ^^'
19:46.44ShellEvilbsd: it is if you're generating it tyo feed back to the mains.
19:46.46ShellEvilioops
19:47.06ShellEvilhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS
19:47.08kushalZorkman, done
19:47.10ShellEvilyeah - it's TTYSAC1
19:47.13kushalnext step
19:47.14ShellEviltty
19:47.19Zorkmankushal: reboot and try it out :p
19:47.28kushalZorkman, ok, let me try
19:47.40Zorkmankushal: shut down the phone, then press power and hold it and then press aux and hold it
19:48.00Zorkmankushal: is your u-boot up to date?
19:48.06kushalZorkman, no idea
19:48.12Zorkmanin that case first flash it :)
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19:48.24kushalZorkman, how ?
19:48.48Zorkmankushil: download http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin on your host pc
19:49.03Zorkmanhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner explains how to flash
19:49.19Zorkmanyou will need http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/dfu-util
19:49.55Zorkmanyou will shut down your phone, and then boot into NOR (press and hold aux, the npress and hold power)
19:50.09kushalZorkman, which one is aux ?
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19:50.26tuXXXkushal: not the power button, the other one
19:50.29Zorkmanthen you will connect the usb cable and on your host: dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
19:50.56Zorkmankushal: when you are facing the neo, on the left side
19:51.03kushalok
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19:51.52Zorkman(if you don't press a button after 60s or something like that it will shut itself down, if that is the case you just reboot into NOR)
19:52.09kushalok
19:52.14kushallet me try
19:53.57kushalwow a real boot screen
19:54.04kushals/screen/menu
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19:56.02kushalZorkman, I just tried to boot from SD card , it did
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19:56.30alaba_coolWhat config file to edi to disable the insane suspend timeout on the latest images?
19:56.44bumbluse exposure
19:56.50alaba_coolexpowhat?
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19:56.57bumblthe settings program
19:57.01Zorkmancongratulations kushal
19:57.04alaba_coolThe exposure.py that does nothing?
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19:57.28kushalZorkman, thank you , now the second part tangogps
19:57.33kushalZorkman, thank you , now the second part tangogps:p
19:57.34bumblthe exposure.py that configures everything
19:57.44alaba_coolWhen I click on exposure nothing happens
19:57.49bumblif it does nothing you don't use an actual image
19:57.54alaba_coolANd neither it does when I run it from screen
19:58.12alaba_coolYes, there is no tar image for Neo 1973, so I compiled my own
19:58.29Zorkmankushal: first see if you can connect to the internet through your FR
19:58.37kushalZorkman, ok
19:59.02bumblahh
19:59.09alaba_coolopkg upgrade'ing exposure doesn't do anything, though
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19:59.23bumblit might be that exposure is only intended to work on gta02
19:59.25Zorkmankushal:
19:59.26Zorkmanopkg install http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.3-r1_armv4t.ipk
19:59.26Zorkmanecho GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1" > /etc/default/gpsd
19:59.40Zorkmanoh, first install gpsd
19:59.48Zorkman(opkg update && opkg install gpsd)
20:00.14kushalZorkman, it is telling Could not obtain administrative lock
20:00.21kushalfor opkg command
20:00.28Zorkmankushal: did you open the graphical installer? :p
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20:00.37Zorkmanclose the graphical installer or run killall packagekitd
20:00.50alaba_coolZorkman: Is there any way to close it without killing it
20:01.20Zorkmanalaba_cool: you click on the dropdown menu and then select "quit" but sometimles that doesn't work
20:01.26kushalZorkman, ok
20:01.31Zorkmanif it doesn't work... killing it is the only way i know
20:01.41ShellEvilpasses Zorkman a flamethower.
20:01.59Zorkmanthanks ShellEvil, I'm probably better at that than this FR stuff :)
20:02.49kushalZorkman, killed still telling the same
20:02.57Davehmm?
20:03.15kushalnow working
20:04.41kushalZorkman, upto echo GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1" > /etc/default/gpsd done
20:05.01Zorkmanok, fire up tangogps :p
20:05.16kushalZorkman, first /etc/init.d/gpsd start :p
20:05.21Zorkman(if you installed gpsd also)
20:06.12kushalZorkman, the unit is connected to the laptop and the screen is black :(
20:06.35Zorkmanwhat do you mean the screen is black? nothing at all?
20:06.39kushalyes
20:06.41Zorkmanthat means your phone has gone in suspend
20:06.46Zorkmanhit the power button
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20:07.03kushalnot working
20:07.12kushalI am still connected to it
20:07.14Zorkmanpress it for a few (2-3) seconds
20:07.19kushalcan I do it through command
20:07.32Zorkmankushal: not that I know, normally my ssh breaks during suspend
20:07.48kushalnot working :(
20:07.56kushallet me disconnect from ssh first
20:08.08Zoup_ShellEvil: humm ... interesting , it says that chat scripts have to use : /dev/ttySAC0 , http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS
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20:09.19kushalZorkman, I hate to say  that, but again I can not turn it on :(
20:09.24kushalfrom suspend
20:09.45Zorkmanpress power button for some more seconds :)
20:09.48Zorkman5-6seconds?
20:09.50alaba_coolkushal: Did you try to press the AUX button? (Does gta02 have one? I'm not sure, but still)
20:10.02kushalalaba_cool, tried
20:10.07kushalZorkman, yes
20:11.34Zorkmandoes it work kushal?
20:11.48kushalZorkman, can I take out the battery and try to reboot ?
20:11.50kushalno
20:11.58Zorkmankushal: seems like there is no other option...
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20:12.22Zorkmanwhen rebooted into 2008.8, go directly to settings, and then click on suspend (and set it to "off")
20:12.32kushalok
20:12.36Zorkmanit should have a function that it does not go in suspend when connected to usb...
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20:12.58kushalZorkman, btw do I need to put any sim card ?
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20:13.33Zorkmanyou need it if you want to call :) it's up to you
20:13.51kushalZorkman, oh, ok , I don't need :P
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20:14.23kushalZorkman, this whole process is going to be a big blog entry
20:14.24kushal:)
20:14.32kushalrebooting the FR
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20:16.21kushalZorkman, suspend off, GPS on
20:17.00Zorkmanok, fire up tangogps and enjoy :)
20:17.25ZorkmanIf you want I can give you information how to add googlemaps :)
20:17.59Daveif you ever figured it out :p
20:18.13kushalwait last time couldn't install tango, need to install that first
20:18.35Zorkmando not opkg install tangogps, this will give you an outdated version
20:18.41kushalok
20:18.43ZorkmanDave: you do know i'm using googlemaps, no?
20:18.52Davemeh
20:18.55kushaldoing from site
20:19.49Zorkmanto get some better maps edit your opkg install http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.3-r1_armv4t.ipk
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20:19.54Zorkmansorry, wrong copy paste
20:19.56torindeljust replaced usb hub cable to get miniusb
20:20.02Zorkmanedit your ~/.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml
20:20.20Zorkmankushal: and replace it with this one: http://pastebin.com/f1aae45d2
20:20.32kushalZorkman, ok
20:20.35torindelwow it even works ;]
20:20.49Zorkmankushal: change PASSWORD on line 4 and YOURNAME on  line 7 to use the friends option on tangogps
20:21.19torindelmoko: hub 1-1:1.0: 4 ports detected ;]
20:21.42kushalZorkman, that is for google map ?
20:22.22Zorkmanfor gogole maps, OSM, openaerial and maps-for-free
20:22.28phrozen77_GRR
20:22.34Zorkmangoogle terain is also in there but it doesn't work :(
20:22.36kushalok
20:22.42phrozen77_WHY ON GODS GREEN EARTH DOES RESTARTING SSHD DROP RUNNING CONNECTIONS
20:22.47phrozen77_>_<
20:22.50Daveretard.
20:22.56phrozen77_:(
20:22.59kushalZorkman, that username password is for ?
20:23.10Zorkmanif you want to use the friend option of tangogps
20:23.28kushalZorkman, oh, not now, I don't have any, can I continue ?
20:23.32kushalwithout them
20:23.33Zorkmansure
20:23.36kushalok
20:23.41kushallet me start tango gps
20:23.49ZorkmanI will allow you to do that :)
20:23.55kushallol
20:24.26CVirusphrozen77_: what ssh daemon ?
20:24.34phrozen77_dropbear
20:24.35phrozen77_ffs
20:24.36phrozen77_:(
20:24.40CVirusmaybe that's the reason
20:24.43Zorkmanbtw: tangogps looks ugly in 2008.8 without editing some gtk settings
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20:25.23benlakehas anyone had their battery stop charging?
20:25.45benlakemy FR wont charge anymore and the battery sits at 3.1V
20:26.41phrozen77_hmm
20:26.46phrozen77_3rd run for opkg upgrade
20:26.50phrozen77_and it STILL updates pkgs
20:27.18Infoportdoes everybody else have their Call History with wrong times? seems to be LOCAL-OFFSET_FROM_UTC (instead of just LOCAL or just UTC-OFFSET)
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20:27.53Zorkmankushal: edit your -  xthickness = 12
20:27.53Zorkman-  ythickness = 12
20:27.53Zorkman+  xthickness = 11
20:27.53Zorkman+  ythickness = 11
20:27.57Zorkmangrrr wrong cpy paste
20:28.17Zorkmankushal: edit your /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc to http://pastebin.com/f334ef873
20:28.32kushalZorkman, it opened with OSM maps only
20:28.34kushaland how can I test GPS now ?
20:28.36kushalZorkman, where ?
20:29.02phrozen77_Zorkman, is that normal? opkg upgrade still upgrades pkgs after the 3rd run?
20:29.15Zorkmankushal: you can press config and then you can select a repository
20:29.32kushalZorkman, done
20:29.41TAsnYAY!
20:29.41Zorkmanphrozen77_: that seems strange...
20:29.48TAsni got my shipment track id
20:29.53TAsnit's on it's way :)
20:29.54kushalZorkman, I can see OSM topo arial
20:29.57Zorkmango TAsn!
20:30.04TAsnZorkman, :)
20:30.10TAsnthere's more time till i get it.
20:30.13TAsnbut still :))))
20:30.19phrozen77_Zorkman, my thoughts
20:30.32phrozen77_i expect it to simply tell me that everything is uptodate
20:30.38TAsn(time, measured in weeks that is, i still need my uncle to come visit)
20:30.38phrozen77_like apt-get does
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20:33.29kushalZorkman, how can I test if the GPS is working or not ?
20:33.52ShellEvilkushal:  http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/violetblue/archive/
20:33.54ShellEvilerr
20:34.20ShellEvilhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS
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20:35.15Zorkmankushal: install openmoko-agps
20:35.18Zorkmanthat is most effective
20:35.22Zorkmanyou can also cat it
20:35.59kushalZorkman, error 2
20:36.11Zorkmankushal: can you ping google?
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20:37.25kushallet me try
20:37.36kushalZorkman, yes
20:37.55Zorkmando opkg install openmoko-agpsui
20:38.07Zorkman(i forgot to ad the "ui")
20:38.11kushaldoing
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20:39.11dgym_hello, can I emulate a  gta02 using qemu?
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20:39.45dgym_mokomakefile is keeping me back at gta01
20:40.15ronnyafair no
20:40.34Zorkmandgym_: there is a way but i don't know it
20:40.56kushalZorkman, it is showing uptime and only fails
20:40.56wurp2|workingShellEvil: Interesting paste error :-)
20:41.10dgym_ok, thanks
20:41.12Zorkmankushal: probably because you are indoors?
20:41.16kushalI think I should get out of house for few minutes
20:41.28kushalZorkman, ok, will be back after few minutes
20:41.35Zorkmanok, good luck
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20:41.45kushal:)
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20:44.36Torikunyo
20:44.44Zorkmanwazzup my nigga?
20:44.50Torikunchilling and dizz
20:44.58Torikunstill can not get usb0 to work on debian
20:44.58Infoporthmm...as I suspected-- OM2007 and 2008.8 are fighting over who sets the time
20:45.00Torikunreinstalled
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20:45.17mmontourbenlake: "cd /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073" <- in that directory are various PMU/charger registers that you can inspect
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20:46.07benlakemmontour: I can't turn the device on
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20:46.25CIA-48openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5f9fcbc6c665 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get the SMS and phonebook on reset fix
20:46.50mmontour3.1V should be enough to boot. Try: remove battery, wait few seconds, re-insert battery, hold Aux, plug in charger. See if you can get the NOR u-boot menu
20:47.11CIA-48openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r70424588006d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get the SMS and phonebook on reset fix
20:47.13benlakemmontour: I have done these things :/ but I can try again
20:47.40phrozen77_whats the current kernel on 2007.2?
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20:47.56benlakemmontour: omfg, wtf
20:48.13torindelbenlake: if you run your battery dry better leave it tured off with charger turned on for some time
20:48.17benlakemmontour: I just held aux and power for like 8 seconds and it woke up!
20:48.28torindelhehe
20:48.40benlakemmontour: it was sitting at the qtopia shutdown screen
20:49.03benlakeI messed with this thing for 30 minutes! argh. thanks guys :P
20:49.08phrozen77_hmm
20:49.10phrozen77_gsm fix was fast
20:49.11transylvaniayeah qtopia kernel loading :)
20:49.11phrozen77_nice
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20:53.27benlakedon't I get an aux or power light when the device is charging while not booted?
20:53.44kushalZorkman, tangogps worked :D
20:53.50kushalthank you all
20:53.53Zorkmancongratz
20:53.54kushalit was great help
20:53.58ShellEvilkushal: yey!
20:54.07kushalthough I still have few more quesries
20:54.11kushalqueries
20:54.27Zorkmanask them while i'ml still feeling helpfull ;-)
20:54.42ZorkmanIF I can help I will (but mind you: I'm a noob)
20:54.46kushalWhat should I do so that I can save my movement to OSM to make it better ?
20:55.28Zorkmanyou just press the track tab on the buttom of tangogps
20:55.49Zorkmanand press start, if you ariv at a crossing you can press split
20:56.13Zorkmanbtw: did you edit the /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc to http://pastebin.com/f334ef873 ?
20:56.36kushalZorkman, yes, then only I can see them :p
20:56.42Zorkmanok :)
20:56.51kushalwhat is split again ?
20:57.11Zorkmanit just splits your log file
20:57.23Zorkmanso it can be easier to name them
20:57.50kushalok
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20:58.44kushalZorkman, and how can I use google maps ?
20:59.07Zorkmanpress config abd sekect abitger repository
20:59.31kushalcan not see it :(
20:59.45Zorkmanin the buttom tab, the last one, can't you see config?
20:59.47kushalI have only OSM , Arial , Topo
20:59.57Zorkmannog google?
21:00.00Zorkman*not
21:00.02kushalno :(
21:00.05Zorkmanyou add it amnually
21:00.31Zorkman*manuall
21:00.33Zorkman*y
21:01.18phrozen77_is there an app list somewhere?
21:01.48Zorkmanyes on the wiki, but it is _very_ incomplete
21:01.52phrozen77_for 2007.2
21:01.53phrozen77_that is
21:01.58phrozen77_:(
21:02.05phrozen77_take the time to complete it maybe?
21:02.06kushalZorkman, how can I stop word completion while typing ?
21:02.10phrozen77_im sure many will appreciate it
21:02.53Zorkmankushal: you can try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Keyboard#Using_the_Full_Qwerty_keyboard
21:03.12Zorkmanbut on 2008.8-upgrade i think there isn't any full-qwerty.kbd :(
21:03.33kushalok
21:04.53phrozen77_Zorkman, wheres the page?
21:04.59kushalZorkman, this is not allowing me to type :(
21:05.31Zorkmanphrozen77_: you just have to search the wiki for "applications" and you get it....
21:05.32Zorkmanhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2007.2_Applications
21:05.53Zorkmankushal: press and hold a letter, then press and hold the next... when you have finished slide your finger from left to right
21:05.59Zorkmanit's a tedious process...
21:06.29Infoportthat app list needs to be LINKED from several other pages. I searched and searched for that the other day
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21:06.56kushalZorkman, ok
21:07.22Zorkmankushal: please add your complaints to https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1864 :)
21:07.34Zorkmanwe're nagging the dev's about this forever....
21:07.49wurp2|workingInfoport: It's a wiki - add links from appropriate places :-)
21:07.51Zorkmanin 2008.8 it was still possible to change to full qwerty because the file was included
21:07.59InfoportI like the FULL keyboard in OM2007 better...I think maybe it is standard in the new install of OM2007 or in Matchbox keyboard
21:08.15ZorkmanI like rasters most
21:08.21Zorkmanit works amazingly well...
21:08.33Infoportwurp2 so true so true! I will now (although I couldnt find it before)
21:08.36ZorkmanI can use it with my fingers even though the buttons so small
21:08.56kushalZorkman, I will create an account and will do that
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21:09.32Zorkmanperfect; whenever you see a bug or a way to improve it, please use the bug tracker, you help the community and the developers
21:09.51Infoporthmm..is that Applications page the one that used to have a charts with date added and repo?
21:10.27Kensanphrozen77_: You could also check out the openembedded repository for "installable" applications.
21:10.39kushalZorkman, what is the url for google ?
21:11.48Zorkmanlol :) i thought you actually were asking the url for google.com as a joke :)
21:11.53Zorkmanhttp://mt1.google.com/mt?&x=%d&y=%d&zoom=%d
21:12.07kushalno
21:12.52nyuUnpacking wesnoth (from .../wesnoth_1%3a1.4.4-2_armel.deb) ...
21:12.57nyu\o/
21:13.06jucsWhat is wesnoth?
21:13.12nyufinally I can put my phone to some use
21:13.14Zorkmannyu: don't make me jealous...
21:13.20nyujucs: www.wesnoth.org
21:13.20Zorkmangoddamn :(
21:13.25ZorkmanDave: stop him!!
21:13.42nyuZorkman: plug in a micro sd, debootstrap lenny/armel in it
21:13.56nyuchroot, apt-get install wesnoth ;-)
21:13.59jucs*loool*
21:14.03Zorkmannyu: only have a 512MB so not big enough for debian and wesnoth :(
21:14.14Zorkmanand I would have to learn how to chroot :)
21:14.18nyuZorkman: they sell 2GiB for cheap price these days
21:14.24Zorkmannyu: i know
21:14.26nyuthat's trivial
21:14.30jucsCan you give me an URL to the package?
21:14.32nyuchroot /mnt/card/ su -
21:14.33jucsnyu:*
21:14.34phrozen77_Kensan, link?
21:14.37Zorkmana friend of mine is going to order a 8GB and said he had to order one for me too
21:14.38torindelnyu: they sell 8GB for cheap price these days
21:14.39nyujucs: packages.debian.org/wesnoth ?
21:15.00nyutorindel: less cheap then :-P
21:15.02jucsAh, okay, sorry :-D
21:15.34torindelnyu: and well i got my 8GB card for free :~P
21:15.35Wonkamy 8GB is a class 4... I'd like a 16GB class 6 :)
21:15.52ShellEvilWonka: FR can't really exploit fast SDs generally.
21:15.54ZorkmanWonka: I didn't think there were already 16GB microsd?
21:15.58nyuwhat does class level imply?
21:16.07Zorkmantorindel: give me one of those free ones also :p
21:16.09torindellol
21:16.13Wonkanyu: read/write speed
21:16.13torindelnyu: MB/s
21:16.15Zorkmanclass level= speed I think
21:16.20nyuah
21:16.26torindelZorkman: got only 1
21:16.28Wonkaat least $level mbit/s, afaik
21:16.37Zorkmantorindel: what are you waiting for? you're sitting on a gold mine
21:17.03Infoportis the Applications page *not* editable by registered users? "Gutenflash" is listed twice, but I don't see an "edit" tag on the right
21:17.03nyuyeah, why don't you install wesnoth in those 8 gigs
21:17.04WonkaShellEvil: yeah... anyway, i only had about 1.6GB on it yet
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21:17.39Wonkamostly OSM tiles, but also some videos and mp3s
21:17.46Infoportdon't see "edit" on right of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications
21:17.50mjrnot like the fr access speed is very fast either...
21:17.55ZorkmanWonka: how is video?
21:18.00torindelnyu: well i can emerge it from my gentoo if i want thank you ;]
21:18.18WonkaZorkman: youtube videos with mplayer are ok, if nothing else is running
21:18.40WonkaZorkman: afair there was stutter when tangogps was running in the background
21:18.56jucsIs it possible to run x86-Windows-Executable through wine?
21:18.58torindelZorkman: in general 320x240 should be ok
21:19.07jucsLike... settlers 2 *dreaming*
21:19.19jucs+s*
21:19.23Wonkajucs: on ARM? i dont think so.
21:19.40jucsI know, but wine emulates anyone, doesn't it?
21:19.42torindeljucs: just replace cpu and connect powerplant to this baby ;]
21:19.44jucsanyway*
21:19.46jucsSorry^^
21:19.51Wonkajucs: nope. that would be qemu.
21:20.09Wonkasettlers classics in qemu
21:20.10jucs:-(
21:20.20Wonkathat one ran on my 486 with 8mb ram...
21:20.22QuadducDoes anyone know if it's possible to compile 2007.2 apps like openmoko-dialer2 individually, and if so, how? I'm trying to use the prebuilt toolchain, but I'm getting errors on om-conf: "No package 'libebook-1.2'/'libpulse' found"
21:20.37jucsBut.... qemu should be resource-intensive on the freerunner...
21:20.41jucstoo*
21:20.51Wonkashould? why?
21:21.02mjralso qemu arm host support wasn't that hot last I checked
21:21.18mjranyway, realistically, forget it
21:21.19jucsDon't like, sounds big... do you think it would run usable fast?
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21:22.06Pyrasihi all
21:22.31nyutorindel: you emerge things in the FR itself? :-/
21:22.46jucsDon't know* (Uhm? I want to type "know" and type "like" -.^ ---- Maybe I should get some sleep)
21:22.51nyusounds like it can take weeks
21:23.07torindelnyu: i make binary packages
21:23.21nyutorindel: ah okay then ;-)
21:23.43torindelnyu: and if i want emerge on moko itself i can switch compiler to distcc
21:24.07torindelso its compiled on remote machine and only decompress/configure is made on moko
21:24.20nyuaha
21:24.27Wonkaand cpp
21:24.33ieatlinttorindel, you get gentoo working on it then?
21:24.49torindelieatlint: yep
21:25.02ieatlintand how's it working?
21:25.14jucsOh my gosh, freak!
21:26.07torindelieatlint: well as on arm ;], i'm still trying to make second abi version with uclibc instead of glibc
21:26.40torindelso it would be smaller/faster
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21:28.50InfoportMy clock in OM2007 is reporting a different time zone than "date" in terminal. I'm looking at the Today2007.2 page, but don't see how to change it
21:28.50undrwatertorindel: which kernel?
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21:29.13torindelundrwater: openmoko one, didnt build my own
21:29.21torindel(yet)
21:29.50undrwatertorindel: so...did you do bootstrap via distcc?
21:31.17torindelundrwater: in qemu
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21:31.34ieatlintah... that would explain your better success with cross compiling :P
21:31.51torindeldistcc died in middle of process after i had power failure and didnt care to fix it, just tured it off
21:32.20torindelieatlint: but i have native (emulated) distcc building farm
21:32.45undrwatertorindel: have you documented your steps?
21:32.56torindelnot yet
21:33.15nyugrm, SDL tries to use directfb backend
21:33.22nyuhow do you force it to use x11?
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21:33.57torindelundrwater: first part was hardest one anyway as i havent had any gentoo arm stages then ;]
21:34.00tuXXXnyu: I think there's an env var
21:34.06tuXXXnyu: http://www.libsdl.org/faq.php?action=listentries&category=9
21:34.20tuXXXnyu: set SDL_VIDEODRIVER=x11
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21:34.28torindelundrwater: plus toolchain that was produced in oe builds was broken
21:35.15torindeland crosscompile wasnt that good either as it had broken headers, configure problems, autofoo problems, ...
21:35.19jucsGood night!
21:35.27undrwatertorindel: that's the part i'd like to see documented ;)
21:35.52undrwateri've had distcc running for my x86 machines...
21:35.57undrwaternever for other arch
21:36.04nyutuXXX: thanks
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21:38.44Infoportthe time given by "date" (UTC-4) is correct, but the time in Today clock is WRONG (UTC+1) How do I fix this?
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21:39.26Infoportthe really bad thing is that the time shown on the clock is neither local nor UTC !
21:39.50ZorkmanInfoport: i have the same problem
21:40.18InfoportZorkman so why havent you fixed it yet? snap to it! ;-)
21:40.39Zorkmanhehe, didn't see it as a priority, haven't even filed a bug report :(
21:42.24kushalZorkman, the track log files, do we have to convert them to gpx before uploading to OSM ?
21:42.38dgym_torindel, do you now have a qemu image running arm gentoo?
21:42.41Zorkmanyeah, there is a page on tangogps.org on how to do that
21:42.46kushalZorkman, ok
21:43.23torindeldgym_: yep
21:43.24ShellEvilkushal: generally it's helpful if you only upload one tracktype at a time. For example, bike+car journeys can be confusing.
21:43.40dgym_would you mind sharing it?
21:43.44kushalShellEvil, like
21:44.03dgym_or even just a stageX tarball if you made one
21:44.07Infoportis the bug tracker a separate login from the wiki?
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21:44.18kushalShellEvil, I should upload only the tracks on bike first, and then car travel in a separate one ?
21:44.18torindeldgym_: they are setup as distcc hosts, if you want i can send you stage file for you to install
21:44.21Zorkmaninfoport: yes
21:44.25ShellEvilkushal: also -   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/JOSMhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/JOSM or the online editor lets you define the tracks you add.
21:45.31dgym_torindel, yes. I would like to run it under qemu first, if I can do that I'll consider putting it on the phone later
21:47.00kushalShellEvil, ok
21:47.33kushalShellEvil, two of my lug guy are working in SoC in OSM :)
21:49.58kushalit is already 3:17AM here
21:50.02kushalneed some sleep
21:50.10kushalZorkman, thanks again :)
21:51.02phrozen77_hmm
21:51.13phrozen77_somehow, the symbols on the upper bar have vanished
21:51.16phrozen77_in 2007.2
21:51.23phrozen77_any way to regain besides rebooting?
21:51.36InfoportZorkman looks like this ticket is about our time bug https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1851
21:51.42sirkha_topnote: dbus messes you up *tries to type in org.openmoko.wiki into browser
21:51.56nyuwhat's the resolution of the FR?
21:52.04phrozen77_640x480
21:52.06phrozen77_iirc
21:52.09sirkha_topyes
21:52.19nyuyou mean 480x640? ;-)
21:52.20sirkha_topor 480x640
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21:52.23sirkha_topheh
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21:52.40nyucan I flip the display to have 640x480?
21:52.51sirkha_topyou could with 2007.2
21:53.05sirkha_topi don't know about 2008.8
21:53.14Zorkmanlast time i checked it worked on 2008.8
21:53.36Infoportphrozen77 /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
21:53.37phrozen77_it did?
21:53.41sirkha_topi've been playing with fso
21:53.42phrozen77_thanks Infoport
21:53.49sirkha_topand haven't even tried 2008.8 yet
21:54.05nyusirkha_top: I got om2007
21:54.13phrozen77_sirkha_top, ....just.....dont
21:54.18nyuI think I flipped it accidentally before
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21:54.22nyubut I don't know how to do it
21:54.31sirkha_topphrozen77_: don't what? play with fso?
21:54.36phrozen77_2008.8
21:54.40phrozen77_you'll regret it
21:54.42sirkha_topah
21:55.00sirkha_topnot that fso is by any means stable
21:55.15sirkha_topit works, though
21:55.36sirkha_topjust my 400 dollar smartphone has about the functionality of a nokia from the late 90s
21:55.46sirkha_topmuch prettier, of course
21:56.00sirkha_topno, it'll be great when its ready
21:56.04phrozen77_hm
21:56.07Zorkmansirkha_top: yeah , everyone pays more for an old timer :) it's vintage!
21:56.14phrozen77_should i get gps coverage inside a building?
21:56.16Infoportsirkha_top there are some interesting parts of 2008.8, so you might like to play with it, but I wouldnt overwrite OM2007, b/c it just isnt as stable
21:56.35sirkha_topah, i don't even have om 2007
21:56.37sirkha_topjust fso
21:57.00Infoportphrozen77 YMMV-- it depends on how much above you, the structure of the building, etc
21:57.47Infoportphrozen77 in my one story house with attic, I find it helps if I put external GPS antenna in window
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21:59.38Infoportphrozen77 I know many people who leave their (nonOM) phone out in the car at work, b/c they cant get ANY phone reception inside, not even notifications. Other buildings, no problem
21:59.50ZorkmanI can get a fix near a window
22:00.12phrozen77_Infoport, ymmv, right mhm
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22:02.57InfoportZorkman I think I am going to try to patch hwclock.sh as in that bug ticket
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22:11.31phrozen77_woo
22:11.41phrozen77_that "oh-puzzles" creates quite a mess
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22:16.10nyu[AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1132:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy
22:16.14nyuuhm
22:16.18nyuno alsa mixing?
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22:16.32nyuI suppose I have to route the audio to pulseaudio?
22:16.38tuXXXor try with dmix
22:16.48nyuwhat does that do?
22:16.56tuXXXsoftware mixing in alsa
22:17.19nyuin kernel or userland?
22:17.40tuXXXI think it's kernelspace
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22:18.48Daenythhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Preferences <<-- is this app for 2007.2? What's the name in opkg?
22:19.38tuXXXDaenyth: Categories: [...] Unimplemented
22:19.45Daenythah, didn't notice
22:20.00phrozen77_lol
22:20.14tuXXXthere is a lot of those mockups on the wiki
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22:22.21phrozen77_they better invest the time in making apps not mockups
22:22.24phrozen77_:[
22:23.07ieatlintphrozen77_, i dunno about you, but i tend to prefer example mockups to the functionality of much of the openmoko apps
22:23.16ieatlintthey have fewer bugs, if nothing else
22:23.28phrozen77_>_<
22:23.33Daenythhmm
22:23.43phrozen77_http://www.orangelabel.com/icons.htm
22:23.46phrozen77_^^omgtaskbar
22:23.48ieatlintphone.png will never crash...
22:24.28DaenythI can barely hear people on the phone, what's the alsamixer channel for the phone speaker?
22:24.36Daenyththere are too many and I can't figure it out :/
22:24.57InfoportZorkman well I'm not sure if I have the same issue as that bug. hwclock reports the local time, and the Today clock is 1 hour ahead of UTC, but that bug seems to be about hwclock getting reset
22:25.10nyutuXXX: it seems dmix won't do a thing unless I get the pulseaudio that is occupiing /dev/snd to use it
22:25.54tuXXXnyu: yes, you have to use only dmix or only pulseaudio
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22:27.39nyuhow do you send the data to pulseaudio?  ip sockets?
22:28.05nyuI want to play things from inside the chroot
22:28.17nyubut they're alsa/oss
22:28.46tuXXXthere is alsa/oss compatibility in pulseaudio, but I don't know if it's available on your version
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22:29.17undrwateris there a package that gets the accelerometers going?
22:29.24paulproteustunys, nyu: pulseaudio has a driver that makes it work with alsalib applications.
22:29.29paulproteusAlso, dmix is usually userspace.
22:29.42Zorkmananybody got remoko running?? (on 2007.2 or 2008.8?)
22:29.47paulproteustuXXX, sorry - not tunys.
22:29.49tunyspaulproteus: nice to know, but I think you meant tuXXX :P
22:29.52tunys:D
22:30.00paulproteus(-:
22:31.11phrozen77_is minimo only supposed to be used on 2008.* ?
22:31.22InfoportZorkman now I'm not sure that I have the same bug as that ticket I showed earlier. My hardware clock doesnt seem to get changed, but Tuday clock is definitely off :-(
22:31.23Zorkmanno, it also works on 2007.2
22:31.31Zorkmanhmmm
22:36.12Weissi still don't quite understand the branches available at http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=summary - is org.openmoko.dev still 2007.2? it seems to be in active development more than expected. which one is the "bleeding edge" state of ASU?
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22:37.24CIA-48freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r60aa73655142 10/framework/patterns/tasklet.py: add Charlie's fantastic tasklet module to patterns
22:37.24CIA-48freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd7bcf13dcdd0 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
22:37.24CIA-48freesmartphone.org: use introspection to implement org.freesmartphone.framework.ListObjectsByInterface(). Closes FSO #2
22:37.24CIA-48freesmartphone.org: NOTE: need to cleanup all references to saving the interface in the controller
22:43.45phrozen77_hm
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22:43.56phrozen77_i notice a little bit of flickering when the display is dimmed on 2007.2
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22:44.11cb22maybe you are dimming too much?
22:44.20phrozen77_how so
22:44.22phrozen77_thats default
22:44.49cb22never mind then :)
22:45.20InfoportZorkman well I dont think I match that bug ticket-- my hwclock stays the same after reboot, and the system time is correct, only the Today clock is wrong. I guess a new bug ticket *IS* in order
22:46.16Zorkmangogogo Infoport!
22:46.22Zorkmanthere more bug reports the merrier :)
22:47.44phrozen77_hm
22:47.53phrozen77_how do i switch to fullscreen with minimo?
22:47.55Infoportour bug sounds similar to this one (but they get UTC, while I dont) https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1295
22:49.55InfoportZorkman, looking at #1295, I see my /etc/timezone IS WRONG, even though /etc/localtime was set. Maybe you have same issue?
22:50.30Zorkmanindeed Infoport
22:50.38Zorkmanis tehre a list with valid timezones?
22:50.45Zorkman(Is Brussels one of it?)
22:51.03phrozen77_minimo maximo ?
22:51.04phrozen77_:P
22:51.24tuXXXZorkman: usually it's in /usr/share/zoneinfo
22:51.47tuXXXZorkman: for example Europe/Brussels
22:51.50Zorkmanbtw: /etc/localtime is unreadable, how can I see what it is set to?
22:52.26tuXXXmd5sum? ^^'
22:52.39InfoportZorkman, from the instructions to set /etc/localtime, imitate the names of the paths you linked (i.e. I used America/New_York) Mine just got fixed!!
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22:56.16Zorkmanhi Marcel_M
22:56.22Zorkmanyou run rabenfrost.net, no?
22:56.31Marcel_Mhi Zorkman
22:56.56Marcel_Mno its joschs server
22:57.18Marcel_Mmy rep is just on his server
22:57.22ZorkmanI heard from someone battle for wensnoth was on it
22:57.31Marcel_Myes it was
22:57.40Zorkmanwas there a reason it was removed?
22:57.49Marcel_Mbut i dont know if its still there
22:57.57Zorkman(no, it's gone :( )
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22:58.23ZorkmanInfoport: now my clock is two hours wrong :(
22:58.28UndrWaterhrm
22:59.46Marcel_MZorkman: the best is ask josch if he got it somewere
22:59.55Zorkmanthanks Marcel_M
23:00.08Marcel_Myou are welcome Zorkman :)
23:03.41InfoportZorkman did you remove /etc/timezone like they said, or did you set it correctly?
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23:06.27ZorkmanInfoport: i set it correctly
23:06.34ZorkmanI did  opkg install ntpclient
23:06.34Zorkman<PROTECTED>
23:06.37Zorkmanand now it's allright
23:06.54KenYoungDoes anyone have an opnion about whether or not the 2008.8 rootfs and kernel have significant improvements over the first official 2008.8 release?
23:07.15ZorkmanKenYoung: I see no noticable improvements....
23:07.19UndrWaterKenYoung: some significant...but mostly looks the same
23:07.30Zorkmanone large dissapointment: they removed the full querty.kbd
23:07.49UndrWaterwonder how to install raster's kb
23:08.15UndrWatersuspend is broken
23:08.23UndrWateri should say resume is broken
23:08.39KenYoungUndrWater, Is suspend in *worse* shape than on the first release?
23:08.57KenYoungI means resume too, I guess.
23:09.37ZorkmanI'm gonna hit the sack
23:09.41Zorkmangoodluck everyone!
23:09.46UndrWaterhard to say what "worse" is anymore ;)
23:10.12UndrWaterbut after a while...while in suspend...nothing will wake moko up from it's sleep
23:10.28KenYoungUndrWater, I felt suspend/resume was pretty close to working on the initial 2008.8 release.
23:10.58UndrWaterKenYoung: i think i agree...though i don't remember now ;) i've tried so many iterations
23:11.35KenYoungUndrWater, I don't understand why they don't work on suspend/resume to the absolute exclusion of all other issues, until it works.   It's so fundamental.
23:12.02ZzzzZzzZorkman(there too busy removing good keyboards and spanners)
23:12.19ZzzzZzzZorkmanand programming a new uboot replacement (Qi)
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23:12.51ZzzzZzzZorkman(last one is not true, that's Xianfu's work, I like the asian dude :))
23:13.09ZzzzZzzZorkmanllo raster, once again thanks for the fast reply on the spanner stuff
23:13.25ZzzzZzzZorkmanreally gone now
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23:13.39KenYoungHave a good snooze.
23:13.59rasterZzzzZzzZorkman: yeah. thats how it was "meant" to be
23:14.13rasterthe asu release merely covered it up with some theme "makeup"
23:14.18rasterit was meant to never even exist
23:14.27rasterit was there just as a debug/devel tool
23:14.35rasterbut asu was released with just the coverup
23:14.43rasteri actually removed the "Wart" in newer profiles
23:14.50rasteru will simply need to switch profile
23:14.53KenYoungraster, A coverup for what?
23:14.58rasterunfortunately - u need to edit a file for that
23:15.04rasterKenYoung:  the spanner
23:15.21rasterthe RIGHT way is to tell e to swithc profile
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23:15.34rastere can use4 multiple config profiles-it's there for just this thing
23:15.43rasterwhen people want different config setups and want to flip between them
23:15.53rasterproblem is - any gui way to do it has been disabled
23:16.09raster(e does have a gui for this - but as with most things oin asu - all disabled/removed/hidden)
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23:16.47rasteri'm going to continue e/illume dev on OE (i.e FSO) where all these things will get exposed again.
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23:20.16mwesterthinks someone should just spend 1/2 the effort they spent on the silly ASU dumb-down on making suspend/resume work properly.
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23:28.49UndrWateragreed
23:32.06ljpwhy would yo uneed suspend/resume when it is always plugged in and nfs mount? :)
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23:38.07dingmanAnyone know whose FR this is? http://wiki.xkcd.com/geohashing/Image:200808235312.JPG
23:38.14rasterbah
23:38.18rastersuspend/resume is for whimps
23:39.43UndrWaterljp: yeah...my phone is LAMP server...why do i need it to suspend?
23:40.23cb22doesnt rpcbind start up by default :p?
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23:41.23KenYoungAm I just missing something, or is it impossible to scroll the menus that the 2008.8 installer presents?   When I try to scroll, they just wiggle.
23:41.49slaxxini think thats all
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23:46.25UndrWaterKenYoung: what's wrong with wiggling?  i haven't seen any installs that go beyond the borders of the screen...so i think that's allright?
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23:47.41KenYoungUndrWater, Well, I can see why someone with your name would like the shimmering effect.   It's not especially functional though.
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23:50.25UndrWater:D
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23:55.06InfoportZorkman back inside...did you set /etc/timezone to something correct also? The instructions on setting time used a different method (linking /etc/localtime) and the Today clock seems to use a text value set in /etc/timezome
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23:55.42KenYoungInfoport, I think Zorkman signed off.
23:57.39InfoportKenYoung I blame my slow response on timezone issues :D
23:58.51InfoportKenYoung orrery is still my fav "gee whiz" app to show ppl, although I did get asked "Who needs it" (A: who needs ANY of it-- its just fun!)
23:59.12KenYoungInfoport, You made my day!
23:59.30InfoportKenYoung although I guess ppl trying to navigate without knowing the stars might need help (LOTS of help)

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