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| 00:15.04 | tuXXX | next time I won't forget to run "opkg upgrade" from screen... |
| 00:15.36 | tuXXX | when sshd is updated, it restarts sshd |
| 00:16.05 | tuXXX | unfortunately, I was connected with ssh... |
| 00:17.16 | tuXXX | why does it restart it itself? it's up to me to do so! |
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| 00:17.49 | tuXXX | (that's why I don't like debian either) |
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| 00:19.06 | prjktdtnt | has anyone in the US already made a purchase from koolu for the fr? |
| 00:21.56 | ieatlint | tuXXX, funny thing about ssh... it doesn't die when the sshd restarts |
| 00:22.19 | tuXXX | on my computer it doesn't, maybe dropbear is different |
| 00:22.39 | ieatlint | root@om-gta02:~# /etc/init.d/dropbear stop; sleep 5; /etc/init.d/dropbear start |
| 00:22.39 | ieatlint | Stopping Dropbear SSH server: no /usr/sbin/dropbear found; none killed |
| 00:22.39 | ieatlint | Starting Dropbear SSH server: root@om-gta02:~# |
| 00:22.48 | ieatlint | it's not |
| 00:22.53 | tuXXX | "no /usr/sbin/dropbear found; none killed" |
| 00:24.35 | tuXXX | you weren't really using dropbear, were you? |
| 00:24.48 | ieatlint | ? |
| 00:24.54 | ieatlint | uh, yeah, i was |
| 00:25.24 | tuXXX | well, it didn't find anything to kill... |
| 00:25.37 | retracile | debian-gta02:/usr/bin# /etc/init.d/dropbear stop; sleep 5; /etc/init.d/dropbear start |
| 00:25.37 | retracile | Stopping Dropbear SSH server: dropbear. |
| 00:25.37 | retracile | Starting Dropbear SSH server: dropbear. |
| 00:25.37 | retracile | debian-gta02:/usr/bin# |
| 00:25.45 | ieatlint | yeah, because it stopped without needing a sigterm |
| 00:26.19 | ieatlint | ssh does not reset connections |
| 00:26.25 | tuXXX | anyway, with opkg, it does ^^ |
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| 00:32.23 | prjktdtnt | Will ask again, has anyone in the US purchased their FR from Koolu (canada)? if so what was the total cost after shipping, taxes and duty? |
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| 01:06.28 | slaxxin | umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 01:06.30 | slaxxin | umount: /media/card: device is busy |
| 01:06.32 | slaxxin | umount: /media/card: device is busy |
| 01:06.42 | ShellEvil | fuser -m /media/card |
| 01:06.49 | ShellEvil | what's got it open? |
| 01:06.53 | slaxxin | why can i not unmount the first partition?? |
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| 01:07.23 | slaxxin | 1482 1516 1521 1529 |
| 01:07.35 | alphabeat | umount /dev/mmcblk* always works for me |
| 01:07.37 | ShellEvil | kill all of those, and you can unmount it. |
| 01:07.41 | sirkha_top | whats a good browser that works on fso? |
| 01:07.50 | alphabeat | the wildcard makes it unmount all partitions at once |
| 01:07.57 | ShellEvil | bad stuff may happen if you kikll the wrong processes of course |
| 01:08.20 | ShellEvil | eject /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 01:08.28 | ShellEvil | makes it pop out of the side of the phone. |
| 01:08.31 | ShellEvil | Well - it should. |
| 01:08.35 | ShellEvil | files a hardware bug. |
| 01:13.49 | prjktdtnt | lol's at ShellEvil's joke... |
| 01:14.08 | prjktdtnt | changes his mind and decides he should comment in the ticket to add it to confirmed list |
| 01:19.46 | lambda | whats is the default password for ASU please ? (when attempting an ssh access) |
| 01:20.05 | tuXXX | an empty password for root |
| 01:20.32 | lambda | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 01:20.35 | lambda | :/ |
| 01:20.45 | lambda | i didn't modify anything |
| 01:21.04 | lambda | just updated the whole distro with zecke's config |
| 01:24.45 | lambda | thx :) |
| 01:24.55 | lambda | anf for setting the date ? |
| 01:29.15 | tuXXX | it's on the wiki |
| 01:29.21 | tuXXX | I think |
| 01:30.00 | Sargun | zecke's |
| 01:30.13 | Sargun | who is this zecke |
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| 01:48.00 | lpotter | some crazy german hacker |
| 01:50.49 | slaxxin | umount: /media/card: device is busy |
| 01:51.16 | slaxxin | umount: /dev/mmcblk0p2: not mounted |
| 01:51.37 | slaxxin | /dev/mmcblk0p1 contains a mounted file system |
| 01:52.16 | slaxxin | i need to get all that stuff off sop i can put the music on here |
| 01:52.39 | slaxxin | i dave debian on there |
| 01:52.45 | slaxxin | *have |
| 01:53.12 | SpeedEvil | You're runnind debian now? |
| 01:53.20 | slaxxin | i need to unmount that file system i guess |
| 01:53.27 | slaxxin | on sdcard |
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| 01:53.44 | slaxxin | i need to remove it:) |
| 01:53.53 | SpeedEvil | You can't unmount (generally) a filesystem you're booted from. |
| 01:53.58 | slaxxin | would u help me? |
| 01:54.03 | slaxxin | speedie |
| 01:54.30 | SpeedEvil | Just reboot into the normal distribution, from NAND, and then wipe the card. |
| 01:54.37 | slaxxin | i used debian a few times but not much luck |
| 01:54.52 | slaxxin | ok |
| 01:55.31 | slaxxin | power+aux |
| 01:55.38 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.45 | SpeedEvil | I dunno. |
| 01:55.58 | SpeedEvil | Wipe the media card and put music on it you seem to want to. |
| 01:56.10 | SpeedEvil | I don't know what media player you plan to use. |
| 01:56.23 | SpeedEvil | Or get a bigger SD, and put both on |
| 01:56.23 | slaxxin | how do i wipe it off? |
| 01:56.56 | slaxxin | i bought a 2 gig |
| 02:00.18 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - going to sleep now. Unfortunately at this stage, it pretty muich requires a good knowlede of linux to use the phone - such as it is. |
| 02:01.25 | slaxxin | the boot from nand was the trick |
| 02:01.31 | slaxxin | thanks |
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| 02:19.31 | Dave | lint :) |
| 02:20.15 | retracile | pockets? |
| 02:20.35 | Dave | :p |
| 02:23.09 | ieatlint | hey dave |
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| 02:31.57 | Daenyth | Hi all! |
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| 02:32.07 | Daenyth | I just got my freerunner today for my birthday, it's amazing! |
| 02:32.45 | igor321_ | i'm getting mine on the fifteenth :) |
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| 02:40.52 | Daenyth | I'm wondering what's the fastest way to get a better input for the terminal |
| 02:41.05 | Daenyth | they phone-style thing that it comes with by default isn't really working well for me |
| 02:41.11 | Daenyth | the^ |
| 02:44.45 | Daenyth | should I just update to a recent daily build? |
| 02:45.22 | Daenyth | ah, found some info on it.. |
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| 04:15.54 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4604 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/ (3 files in 3 dirs): apply patch from LeRoutier for trac#1838 (Erin Yueh) |
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| 04:59.11 | Openfree | i'm trying to build uboot manually, but when i use dfu-util to download, it print out "File is not targeted for use by this devide" |
| 04:59.48 | Openfree | but i do use "gta02v5_config" configuration |
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| 05:16.16 | mmontour_ | "make u-boot.udfu" should give you an image that you can flash with dfu-util. |
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| 05:47.18 | Openfree | mmontour_, it works, thank you |
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| 05:48.57 | Zoup | hi :) im going to make a 2.5 -> 3.5 converter for my own headset , where can i find exact specification of fr headset jack ? |
| 05:49.14 | Zoup | i need to know which one is ground , left , right |
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| 06:00.16 | Zoup | there are lots of opetions in alsamixer , where i can find description of their funcionality ? |
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| 06:08.52 | undrwater | boo |
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| 06:09.16 | lindi- | Zoup: search wiki for audio subsystem or something |
| 06:09.40 | Zoup | lindi-: its very uncomplete : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_alsamixer , is this the only source ? |
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| 06:11.53 | lindi- | Zoup: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem seems pretty complete to me |
| 06:12.11 | Zoup | lindi-: thanks |
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| 06:16.02 | Zoup | when i install om2008 , is there any default ip address that i can ssh to ? |
| 06:16.16 | Zoup | on usb0? |
| 06:16.45 | lindi- | i haven't managed to compile om2008 yet |
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| 06:52.29 | doc|home | hmmm, to call my voicemail I have to phone 1 but I can't seem to get through under qtopia, anyone had similar problems? |
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| 07:19.33 | goodwill | looks around |
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| 08:27.19 | marcinsoo | hi, i've just received neo, how can i check wich distribution i have on it? |
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| 08:30.20 | Zoup | i need some 'notes' or 'memo' application for om2007 , any idea ? |
| 08:30.36 | jonquarkZZZZ | marcinsoo: It'll almost certainly have 2007.2 |
| 08:31.27 | jonquarkZZZZ | Does it have a picture of a landscape or a black background with squares marked Dialler, contacts (etc...) |
| 08:32.55 | Zorkman | Zoup: Xounral |
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| 08:33.52 | marcinsoo | landscape |
| 08:33.57 | Zoup | Zorkman: aa emm ,,, whero to get that ? google returns nothing , its not under packages list |
| 08:34.16 | marcinsoo | ok, when i updated via opkg : files were downloaded from buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/ |
| 08:34.29 | Zorkman | Zoup: http://uploads.mibbit.com/up/xuo1ErBB.ipk |
| 08:34.57 | Zoup | Zorkman: thanks |
| 08:35.19 | Zorkman | no |
| 08:35.21 | Zorkman | *npµ |
| 08:35.27 | jonquark | marcinsoo: Yep...that's also what happened when I updated 2007.2 |
| 08:42.14 | marcinsoo | thanks |
| 08:44.45 | Zorkman | everybody: I didn't quite follow what was going on with kernel modules in the kernel or out, is it safe to reflash only the kernel? |
| 08:45.01 | Zorkman | or is opkg upgrade the best way to go for the kernel? |
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| 08:54.49 | eckhard | hi, how can I do profiling on the software for gta02? |
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| 09:01.41 | lindi- | by not parting 6 minutes after asking a question :P |
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| 09:11.11 | PBeck | hi |
| 09:14.35 | ike | Gooooood morning. |
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| 09:26.15 | jucs | Good Morning ;-) |
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| 09:29.04 | admiral0 | hi |
| 09:29.24 | admiral0 | how does the initial splash work? |
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| 09:36.08 | goodwill | admiral0: very carefully? |
| 09:36.55 | goodwill | admiral0: its probably a framebuffer |
| 09:37.09 | jucs | The old splash screen was soo nice and the new one is... well, funny, but not very "pretty"... |
| 09:37.22 | goodwill | yeah those boots are no good |
| 09:37.45 | admiral0 | i have opkg upgraded and now i have 2 splashes |
| 09:37.47 | jucs | And this ... kind of green.... is just.... awful :-D |
| 09:38.04 | admiral0 | one starts then another starts over it |
| 09:39.21 | admiral0 | is it possible to disable them both? |
| 09:39.28 | admiral0 | i just hate them |
| 09:39.34 | jucs | You can disable the new one by this command... |
| 09:39.45 | jucs | I also prefer the console output :-P |
| 09:40.11 | admiral0 | jucs, me too |
| 09:40.21 | jucs | opkg -force-depends remove exquisite exquisite-themes && rm /usr/bin/splash-write && echo "#!/bin/bash">/usr/bin/splash-write && chmod +x /usr/bin/splash-write |
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| 09:40.55 | jucs | This will at least disable the new splash... |
| 09:41.11 | admiral0 | ok |
| 09:41.15 | admiral0 | thank you |
| 09:41.18 | zogs | jucs: just the new ? |
| 09:41.30 | zogs | or all splash? |
| 09:41.45 | jucs | zogs: I don't know about the old one, maybe it will disable all of them^^ |
| 09:42.00 | admiral0 | i'll restart and tell the results |
| 09:42.06 | jucs | kay :-P |
| 09:42.53 | admiral0 | interesting... |
| 09:43.07 | admiral0 | i found /usr/share/exquisite/data/themes |
| 09:43.19 | admiral0 | there were two edj files... |
| 09:43.21 | jucs | If you have no bash installed it may output some errors.... you should edit /usr/bin/splash-write than or install bash... |
| 09:43.31 | jucs | :-P |
| 09:43.51 | jucs | But it will boot anyway, so don't worry^^ |
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| 09:48.23 | admiral0 | restarting |
| 09:49.00 | admiral0 | didn't work |
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| 09:51.28 | jakob_ | can anybody give me a link to a running fso milestone 2 image for the gta02. Even better would be a tar.gz containing the rootfs for installing it on a sd card. |
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| 09:52.10 | jakob_ | The directory which is linked to on the openmoko page does not seem to contain one for the gta02. Only a jffs2 for the gta01 seems to be available :( |
| 09:52.46 | admiral0 | *rootfs.summary is the rootfs |
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| 09:54.11 | jakob_ | admiral0: I tried this one. But it failed after loading the kernel. Because it could not found init :( |
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| 09:56.21 | jucs | admiral0: You still get the flash? |
| 09:56.24 | jucs | splash* |
| 09:56.29 | admiral0 | yes |
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| 09:56.36 | jucs | Then something might be broken... |
| 09:56.44 | jucs | Because it shouldn't be installed anymore... |
| 09:56.52 | Zoup | where can i get last stable om2007 ? and is om2008 considered stable now ? |
| 09:56.57 | admiral0 | and opkg upgrade did some nasty things ^^ |
| 09:57.20 | zogs | Zoup: maybe om2008 with zecke testing upgrade |
| 09:57.28 | jucs | Zoup: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#Om_2007.2_images_.28GTK.29 |
| 09:57.49 | jakob_ | jucs: why shouldn't it be installed anymore |
| 09:58.02 | admiral0 | jucs:i just love my freerunner anyway... btw it's called |
| 09:58.06 | admiral0 | Lily |
| 09:58.13 | jucs | admiral0: Perhaps you should flash the freerunner with newest image :-P |
| 09:58.28 | jucs | *looool* Lily |
| 09:58.44 | jucs | jakob_: Because he just removed it :-P |
| 09:59.09 | jakob_ | jucs: is there a plausible reason for this? |
| 09:59.46 | jucs | jakob_: For flashing for the splash? |
| 10:00.18 | jucs | or* |
| 10:00.31 | jakob_ | jucs: I am sorry I didn't got the correct context |
| 10:00.35 | Shlee | I'm waiting for Milestone 3 |
| 10:00.48 | jakob_ | jucs: I thought you were talking about the fso image |
| 10:01.35 | jucs | jakob_: No, sorry, never did :-p |
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| 10:09.52 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 10:10.18 | pb__ | hi bedboi |
| 10:10.31 | bedboi | hi phil |
| 10:10.42 | bedboi | i've been in cambridge in august |
| 10:10.44 | bedboi | 4 days |
| 10:10.54 | pb__ | ah, very good |
| 10:10.57 | bedboi | are you still based there? |
| 10:10.59 | pb__ | hope you liked it :-) |
| 10:11.02 | pb__ | yes, I am still there |
| 10:11.02 | bedboi | yep of course |
| 10:11.18 | bedboi | did you read those strange white panels around the city? |
| 10:11.24 | bedboi | like cambridge = oxford/pi ? |
| 10:11.34 | pb__ | hm, no, I haven't seen those |
| 10:11.36 | bedboi | ahah |
| 10:11.46 | bedboi | or universe = pi^mc^2 |
| 10:11.55 | pb__ | I haven't actually been into the city much in the last few weeks |
| 10:12.17 | bedboi | ah ok, it seems that this strange stuff is going on since the beginning of august |
| 10:12.27 | pb__ | ah right |
| 10:12.31 | pb__ | I wonder what that's all abou |
| 10:12.33 | pb__ | about, even |
| 10:12.45 | bedboi | i guess math students |
| 10:12.52 | pb__ | yah, sounds like it |
| 10:12.58 | bedboi | or psychos |
| 10:13.03 | pb__ | odd though, I don't think there are many students in town at this time of year |
| 10:13.41 | bedboi | however very enjoyable city |
| 10:13.42 | jucs | Does anyone know how to set the Timezone? |
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| 10:17.56 | ieatlint | jucs: ls /usr/share/zoneinfo |
| 10:18.06 | jucs | hm? |
| 10:18.16 | jucs | ah |
| 10:18.22 | jucs | And then? |
| 10:18.39 | ieatlint | are there a whole bunch of files and dirs in there? |
| 10:20.47 | bedboi | pb__: E=mc^2 = Beethoven (construct) |
| 10:20.55 | bedboi | sorry |
| 10:20.59 | bedboi | pb__: E=mc^pi = Beethoven (construct) |
| 10:22.39 | bedboi | there's even a construct that states Universe = E m c^4/pi * 17/4 = 7.5 |
| 10:23.15 | pb__ | heh |
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| 10:34.37 | pb__ | bedboi: were these the sort of things you saw? http://groups.google.com/group/cam.misc/browse_thread/thread/6e52bb0491b37501# |
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| 10:36.17 | bedboi | there were no signature in the sign i saw |
| 10:36.31 | bedboi | there are also "fake" signs |
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| 10:37.44 | bedboi | there's a sign on "bridge street" bridge |
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| 10:42.14 | pb__ | mickeyl: good morning |
| 10:43.32 | bedboi | http://picasaweb.google.com/ldecicco/CambridgeWeirdness |
| 10:43.39 | mickeyl | good morning pb__ |
| 10:43.42 | mickeyl | hi folks |
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| 11:16.10 | jucs | How to turn the .tar.gz into a jffs? |
| 11:16.14 | jucs | image* |
| 11:16.36 | dns53 | not the other way around? |
| 11:16.58 | XorA|gone | mkjffsimage |
| 11:17.48 | jucs | dns53: No |
| 11:17.58 | jucs | XorA|gone: Where do I get this from? |
| 11:18.14 | XorA|gone | I think debian has it as a package |
| 11:18.19 | XorA|gone | otherwise OE builds one |
| 11:19.54 | jucs | http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&safe=off&q=mkjffsimage&btnG=Suche&meta= Google can't find, Debian can't http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mkjffsimage&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all and openmoko.org http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=mkjffsimage&go=Go also doesn't... |
| 11:20.47 | lindi- | jucs: you can just mount and extract? |
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| 11:21.18 | XorA|gone | jucs: mtd-tools |
| 11:21.28 | XorA|gone | used google power |
| 11:21.35 | lindi- | it has usr/sbin/mkfs.jffs2 utils/mtd-utils |
| 11:23.08 | jucs | uhm... and you just need to pack the contents of the .tar-thing into an jffs image? |
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| 11:25.04 | Zorkman | anyone knows how to enbable acceleromters on 2007.2? |
| 11:25.12 | Zorkman | hexdump returns no values |
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| 11:25.51 | br0nt0l0 | hi , buongiorno |
| 11:26.55 | Zorkman | hi, hallo, buongiorno, gutentag, bonjour, kalimero, ave, merhaba, konishiwa |
| 11:27.13 | lu_zero | Zorkman maybe kalimera |
| 11:27.40 | rwhitby | g'day |
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| 11:27.53 | br0nt0l0 | speak italian? |
| 11:27.58 | Zorkman | lu_zero: yeah, I actually don't know new greek, only ancient greek :) |
| 11:28.27 | Zorkman | un po |
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| 11:28.40 | br0nt0l0 | bene Zorkman |
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| 11:29.10 | br0nt0l0 | sto cercando di installare openmoko su di un HP hw6915 |
| 11:29.28 | Zorkman | hehe, i alctually now VERY little italian br0nt0l0, I went to firenze for a few days and once to monza/milan/como |
| 11:29.44 | Dave | :p |
| 11:29.46 | br0nt0l0 | e l'howto mi ha portato in questa chat |
| 11:29.49 | br0nt0l0 | ah ok |
| 11:30.03 | Zorkman | br0nt0l0: non so |
| 11:30.10 | lindi- | could mic2 volume be set to 3 by default? is there somebody who can hear the voice well with the default setting of 0? |
| 11:30.33 | Zorkman | lindi-: good question, it seems stupid to have a default faulty value set... |
| 11:30.54 | Dave | File a bug report! |
| 11:31.01 | lindi- | i did |
| 11:31.04 | Dave | as Xora would say ;) |
| 11:31.06 | br0nt0l0 | i need a bootloader for hw6915 |
| 11:31.07 | Dave | :) |
| 11:31.11 | lindi- | this is a poll for the bug report :) |
| 11:31.17 | Dave | Hello jucs :) |
| 11:31.24 | br0nt0l0 | to install open moko it's a possible? |
| 11:31.25 | Zorkman | lindi-: +1 :) |
| 11:31.27 | lindi- | nomeata asked me 'Is that a fix that works for everyone?' |
| 11:31.29 | Dave | Well, I don't use the mic, so I have no complaints :P |
| 11:31.39 | lindi- | so if somebody gets smoke with mic2=3 please tell us now :P |
| 11:31.50 | Zorkman | :) |
| 11:31.58 | Zorkman | then we will file a bug report about your bug report :) |
| 11:31.59 | Dave | votes for Lindi |
| 11:32.05 | Dave | haha |
| 11:32.17 | Dave | Bug: Lindi causes freerunner to catch on fire. :P |
| 11:32.42 | Zorkman | Dave, you've gotten gestures to work in 2007.2? |
| 11:32.49 | Dave | I didn't try |
| 11:32.52 | Dave | I can't stand that shit. |
| 11:32.54 | Zorkman | or does hexdump return some values for you? |
| 11:32.59 | Dave | May it burn in hell. |
| 11:33.12 | Zorkman | yeah, but we have to be ready for when an accelerometers game is released ;-) |
| 11:33.19 | Dave | I'm going to install some games on my freerunner. |
| 11:33.25 | Zorkman | which ones? |
| 11:33.36 | Dave | Some ones I thought of last night which should run well on it :) |
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| 11:34.13 | Zorkman | pass tha dutchie! |
| 11:35.15 | Zorkman | I wish the GPS a ltitude would use less drugs :( |
| 11:35.27 | Dave | haha, yeah |
| 11:35.27 | lindi- | Dave: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=496289 |
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| 11:35.43 | Dave | and that would be? |
| 11:35.44 | lindi- | Dave: as you can see, it was reported two hours before you asked it to be reported :P |
| 11:35.53 | Dave | eh? what? :D |
| 11:35.59 | Zorkman | OMG! lindi- is a timetraveller!!!!! |
| 11:36.12 | Zorkman | lindi-: please go back and fix gsm buzz and glamo!!!! |
| 11:36.22 | Dave | :O |
| 11:36.27 | lindi- | i need this keyboard first :) |
| 11:36.39 | Zorkman | lindi-: you can reward yourself by buying some stocks :) |
| 11:36.45 | Dave | What does that have to do with me? |
| 11:36.54 | Dave | Furthermore, what the fuck does fso have to do with debian!? |
| 11:36.55 | Dave | o_O |
| 11:37.04 | Dave | gives Zorkman some chocolates. |
| 11:37.16 | Zorkman | they're going to make a baby: fsobian |
| 11:37.35 | Dave | furthermore, I like how the fso frameworkd file in that buggy is in DOS format :P |
| 11:37.39 | Dave | retarded. |
| 11:37.41 | ike | Freerunner on fire? |
| 11:37.47 | Dave | INDEED |
| 11:37.50 | ike | That's something new. |
| 11:37.54 | lindi- | Dave: 1) you said '< Dave> File a bug report!' |
| 11:37.56 | Dave | throws freerunner grenades at ike |
| 11:38.02 | Dave | lindi, ah, yes, well :P |
| 11:38.04 | Dave | that I did :P |
| 11:38.07 | Dave | And here it is! |
| 11:38.07 | ike | Everything is a file. |
| 11:38.16 | Zorkman | ike is a file |
| 11:38.20 | lindi- | Dave: 2) fso-frameworkd will soon be included in debian. i originally saw the bug as a packaking bug |
| 11:38.29 | ike | Zorkman: thanks. |
| 11:38.31 | ike | ;] |
| 11:38.33 | Dave | Yeah |
| 11:38.37 | Dave | bug bug bug bug |
| 11:38.46 | Dave | Everything is a file. Everything is a bug. |
| 11:38.51 | Dave | haha |
| 11:39.09 | Zorkman | the Fr is the ultimate entropy machine :) |
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| 11:44.59 | Dave | \o/ |
| 11:45.25 | Dave | hmm |
| 11:45.28 | Dave | waar is cjb? |
| 11:46.13 | bumbl | entropy ... that was the thing our physics teacher wasn't able to explain us properly |
| 11:46.45 | Dave | needs more stargate |
| 11:48.40 | Dave | Uggh, bug reports... |
| 11:49.00 | Dave | I could sit here for the rest of the day and file bug reports... |
| 11:49.29 | Dave | ... but I'm not sure if I want to bother with such tiresome an activity. |
| 11:49.33 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4d2f21364cee 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: ogsmd: increase robustness. closes #23 |
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| 11:57.12 | br0nt0l0 | ok thankyou to all |
| 11:57.21 | br0nt0l0 | bye bye |
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| 11:59.08 | eier | anyone know how to connect to wifi with the qtopia os? |
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| 12:01.45 | tuXXX | eier: yes, but with ssh |
| 12:02.37 | eier | k, so i have to do it with the terminal? |
| 12:03.26 | tuXXX | I didn't find anything else |
| 12:03.51 | eier | k thanks |
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| 12:05.47 | ike | eier: I was able to connect using Qtopia wifi configurator. |
| 12:06.04 | ike | However it was an open network. Don't know if it matters. |
| 12:06.07 | eier | i cant find it. |
| 12:06.35 | ike | Hm. It was kinda hidden. Somewhere in the Applications menu oslt. |
| 12:06.51 | eier | menu>settings>networking? |
| 12:06.55 | ike | I'm on Om2008.08 right now so I cannot give you any pinters. |
| 12:06.58 | dns53 | config, network options add network |
| 12:07.00 | eier | k |
| 12:07.14 | ike | ;-) |
| 12:07.28 | bedboi | is 2008.8 working on neo 1973? |
| 12:07.36 | ike | eier: if you have more Qtopia related questions you might want to try at #qtopia. |
| 12:07.53 | eier | ike: they don't answer |
| 12:08.01 | ike | ;-) evil bastards. |
| 12:08.07 | eier | :) |
| 12:08.07 | Dave | like yo? |
| 12:08.22 | Dave | norsk! |
| 12:08.26 | ike | Dave: i'm just lurking at #qtopia ;p |
| 12:08.36 | Dave | that's like me, going into #php |
| 12:08.37 | Dave | haha |
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| 12:09.13 | ike | Well. Since it's sunday today I'm going off to relax. |
| 12:09.17 | ike | HAND people. |
| 12:09.45 | Dave | o.O |
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| 12:23.02 | lindi- | speaking of polls: how would your dream touchscreen virtual keyboard work? |
| 12:23.47 | Dave | NOT LIKE THIS ONE! |
| 12:23.50 | Dave | :p |
| 12:24.04 | lindi- | which one? |
| 12:24.06 | Dave | Personally people seem to think the iPhone style VKBD has standardized things |
| 12:24.17 | Dave | though I am not so partial towards it. |
| 12:24.35 | Dave | but a big problem, regrettably with the freerunner and its touchscreen is the raised sides |
| 12:24.38 | lindi- | i am planning something like that yes but transparent |
| 12:24.49 | Dave | make it very difficult to hit things on the edges/corners, even with a stylus |
| 12:25.04 | Dave | though oh the other hand it has a couple benefits |
| 12:25.14 | lindi- | yeah, they keyboard just needs to be bit smaller so that you don't need to hit the edges |
| 12:25.19 | Dave | protects the screen well, however, it has no cover, which sucks |
| 12:25.25 | Dave | right |
| 12:25.36 | lindi- | s/they/the/ |
| 12:25.37 | Dave | also should allow zooming or something? |
| 12:25.54 | lindi- | Dave: probably just magnifying the letter that is about to be sent |
| 12:26.46 | bumbl | rasters keyboard is near to perfect |
| 12:26.55 | lindi- | bumbl: which one is that? |
| 12:26.57 | sirkha_top | whats a good browser for fso? |
| 12:26.59 | lindi- | bumbl: the illume keyboard? |
| 12:27.09 | lindi- | bumbl: the only problem is that i have still not managed to compile and run it |
| 12:28.00 | Dave | maybe |
| 12:28.05 | Dave | bumble yeah |
| 12:28.12 | bumbl | lindi-: yes the illume inbuilt |
| 12:28.15 | Dave | bumble, unfortunately it's not available for all images or he doesn't tell us where it is |
| 12:28.23 | Dave | all he did was point me to an ASU image or something |
| 12:28.30 | Dave | lindi, right! |
| 12:28.38 | Dave | He's like sure it'll work for all images |
| 12:28.42 | dario | lindi- the qtopia default keyboard is quite perfect but it has no èà òì and no delete last character |
| 12:28.42 | Dave | but where is it, then? :( |
| 12:28.47 | bumbl | Dave: either look at the enlightenment homepage (there you get 2008.8 with the keyboard) |
| 12:28.51 | Dave | dario, I dislike it |
| 12:28.55 | bumbl | or look at shr.bearstech.com |
| 12:29.00 | bumbl | for fso + illume |
| 12:29.00 | Dave | bumble? |
| 12:29.04 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 12:29.04 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 12:29.06 | Dave | yeah I don't want that! |
| 12:29.14 | Dave | I just want the keyboard app :( |
| 12:30.05 | Pjj | I have a problem with installing tangoGPS on the latest 2007.2 it _always_ gives an error (opkg install http://blabla/tangogps.ipk, or when I just download .ipk file on my pc then transfer it to the neo and then install it, or when I type opkg install tangogps) |
| 12:30.06 | bumbl | svn and build does not work? you have to use illume in order to get the keyboard |
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| 12:30.22 | lindi- | bumbl: have you managed to compile illume keyboard? |
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| 12:30.31 | Pjj | either signal 2 for opkg install tangogps, or an md5sum error when I point to the ipk file |
| 12:31.05 | bumbl | lindi-: I managed to compile the whole fso image which contains the illume keyboard |
| 12:31.19 | bumbl | I have never tried to compile just illume itself |
| 12:31.26 | lindi- | bumbl: i tried, and failed :) |
| 12:31.45 | Dave | Someone please succeed! |
| 12:31.48 | Dave | This is getting silly! |
| 12:32.38 | lindi- | bumbl: see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/027245.html |
| 12:34.04 | lindi- | it also depends on e17 svn version which is not going to be in debian for a long time i'm afraid |
| 12:35.20 | bumbl | lindi-: afaik the debian guys will package it soon |
| 12:35.29 | bumbl | fso repository |
| 12:35.40 | bumbl | reboot |
| 12:36.28 | retracile | What init.d script should I use to restart the window manager (Debian); x11-common, zhone-session? |
| 12:36.45 | Pjj | no one has an idea what could cause this problem with tangogps? |
| 12:37.01 | lindi- | retracile: only window manager and not X? |
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| 12:37.22 | retracile | lindi-: restarting X too would be fine |
| 12:37.29 | retracile | (just trying to avoid a reboot) |
| 12:37.37 | lindi- | retracile: then zhone-session |
| 12:37.39 | vk5foss | Pjj: check if the problem is tangogps specific is my advice |
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| 12:38.17 | Pjj | it used to go wrong with every update (opkg upgrade) but that maggicly was fixed |
| 12:38.43 | retracile | lindi-: thanks |
| 12:40.09 | retracile | lindi-: Hm. /etc/init.d/zhone-session restart gives me"/usr/bin/xinit already running." |
| 12:40.32 | lindi- | retracile: i have reported that bug a week ago |
| 12:40.38 | retracile | heh |
| 12:40.47 | lindi- | stop ; sleep ; start |
| 12:40.55 | retracile | ok |
| 12:45.35 | jucs | Hi Dave =) |
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| 12:45.49 | Dave | Hello! :) |
| 12:45.55 | Dave | Morning, retracile :) |
| 12:46.10 | retracile | utters something irreverent about mornings. |
| 12:49.11 | w_erase | Hi ...My FR goes black after 15s secs. I have to how can I change that |
| 12:49.23 | lindi- | w_erase: what makes it blank? |
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| 12:49.25 | w_erase | sorry .... |
| 12:50.26 | w_erase | lindi-, this is what i'd lilke to know .... It goes on - suspended every 15 seconds ... |
| 12:50.50 | w_erase | what part of the code is responsible of power management ? |
| 12:50.58 | lindi- | w_erase: ah so it suspends and not just sets screen brightness? |
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| 12:51.06 | lindi- | w_erase: depends on what distro you run |
| 12:51.19 | w_erase | FSO, homebuild |
| 12:51.54 | lindi- | w_erase: zhone calls "apm -s" here if i hold power button for 2 seconds |
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| 12:52.47 | Dave | /nick nand_erase |
| 12:52.49 | Dave | oops |
| 12:53.14 | Shlee | Any image of the FSO keyboard? |
| 12:53.31 | w_erase | lindi-, no it's not a simple screen brightness problem as I can see Openmolo's USB devices appear /disapear on my attached computer |
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| 12:56.53 | w_erase | every 15 sec, I have : "PM: Preparing system for mem sleep" |
| 12:57.01 | w_erase | (from dmesg) |
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| 13:03.44 | almien | interesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWUQ8Hk71Gg |
| 13:04.05 | almien | use of accelerometer to control sound effects |
| 13:04.11 | almien | (not neo) |
| 13:04.14 | Dave | No Freerunners were harmed in the making of this video. |
| 13:07.05 | admiral0 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMjAYdF13cU&NR=1 this is better |
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| 13:16.08 | Dave | enlightens bumble |
| 13:16.24 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: :-) |
| 13:18.54 | bumbl | Davey :p |
| 13:20.21 | jucs | Anyone here who got openmoko-mail to work? |
| 13:21.26 | bumbl | what gives me the honor that I am enlightened by you |
| 13:21.41 | Dave | Joerg! :) |
| 13:21.49 | Dave | heehee |
| 13:21.59 | Dave | That you use enlightenment and a good keyboard? :) |
| 13:22.04 | Dave | I will compile the source out of you! |
| 13:22.07 | Dave | muwahaha |
| 13:22.38 | bumbl | hehe |
| 13:23.40 | sirkha_top | Dave, when was the last time you slept, or are you always this humorous? |
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| 13:27.23 | Dave | sirkha, oh, I am usually like this. |
| 13:27.33 | Dave | Unless I'm actually doing openmoko development |
| 13:27.40 | Dave | Then I have to be in serious mode, I guess? |
| 13:27.46 | Dave | But everything here is a joke. |
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| 13:28.04 | Dave | Come on, we have 7 1/2 functional distros now? |
| 13:29.17 | CVirus | yeah .. it sucks this way |
| 13:29.36 | tuXXX | well... maybe it depends of what you mean by "functional" |
| 13:30.08 | CVirus | and 395 1/2 useful people |
| 13:30.10 | CVirus | :-p |
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| 13:32.16 | Dave | Wirus! |
| 13:32.23 | CVirus | stfu |
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| 13:32.50 | CVirus | weird client |
| 13:32.56 | CVirus | Dave: get back to you disco lab |
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| 13:35.53 | Dave | nee |
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| 13:40.22 | bumbl | Dave: mushrooms |
| 13:40.37 | Tanuva | badgerbadgerbadger |
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| 13:43.11 | Dave | what the fuck? |
| 13:43.52 | Dave | ¬_¬ |
| 13:44.35 | Deubeuliou | Is there a way to set the wifi mode to monitor ? |
| 13:44.46 | Deubeuliou | "iwconfig eth0 mode monitor" doesn't work |
| 13:45.26 | tuXXX | depdends of the driver |
| 13:45.39 | tuXXX | I heard this one doesn't support monitor |
| 13:46.13 | Dave | that's not a valid mode |
| 13:46.42 | Dave | Managed/Adhoc/Master |
| 13:47.19 | jucs | <- see you :-P |
| 13:47.38 | Dave | -> see me? |
| 13:48.14 | Dave | jucs is albern |
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| 13:48.27 | jucs | *fg* |
| 13:48.27 | jucs | :-P |
| 13:48.37 | jucs | No, I mean bye bye XD |
| 13:48.45 | Dave | oh, not Kauderwelsch? :P |
| 13:48.47 | Dave | okee XD |
| 13:48.57 | Dave | Byebye then :) |
| 13:49.05 | Dave | Abschied |
| 13:49.11 | jucs | :-D |
| 13:49.16 | jucs | Yes, Abschied XD |
| 13:49.37 | bumbl | freerunner and promiscuous mode would be cool |
| 13:50.39 | Dave | Joerg: es ist eine Verschwörung! |
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| 13:52.55 | Shlee | You're trying to hostap the OM? or capture packets? |
| 13:53.07 | Shlee | I'm shocked if the OM didn't already have promiscuous mode.. |
| 13:53.24 | Dave | promiscuous neo |
| 13:53.34 | Dave | i'm sure ieatlint is on board with that :p |
| 13:53.39 | Deubeuliou | <tuXXX> I heard this one doesn't support monitor <--- and isn't there another driver ? |
| 13:53.45 | Dave | it'd conform more toward his lifestyle :P |
| 13:54.47 | Tanuva | oh I love python's interactive mode :D |
| 13:54.54 | Dave | uggh |
| 13:55.04 | Dave | You like it so much, why don't you debug my application, Tanuva! |
| 13:55.18 | Dave | shackles tanuva to his malfunctioning python server |
| 13:55.40 | Ark1 | is there anyway to test om 2008.8 on windows? |
| 13:55.40 | Tanuva | because I don't even know that your app exists - and I'm developing my own :P |
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| 13:57.28 | Dave | :P |
| 13:57.34 | Dave | Aww, no help for me, Tanuva? :| |
| 13:57.55 | Tanuva | at least not from myself... |
| 13:58.04 | Tanuva | yay, playpausestop works already... :D |
| 13:58.30 | Dave | :\ |
| 13:58.37 | Dave | boo |
| 13:58.40 | Dave | hiss |
| 13:59.51 | Tanuva | you'll have to do it yourself *slapping with python docs* |
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| 14:00.59 | Deubeuliou | does someone have a link to have quake 2 or 3 running on the freerunner ? :D |
| 14:01.54 | Tanuva | slaps Deubeuliou with the glamo |
| 14:02.06 | tuXXX | quake2 should work in software mode |
| 14:02.14 | tuXXX | but quake3 is opengl-only |
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| 14:02.22 | Deubeuliou | mmmh :( |
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| 14:03.13 | Dave | Tanuva, sorry, but Memory Error doesn't really help me. |
| 14:03.32 | Dave | and I fear what I've run into is a fundamental error, not a syntax/debugging error. |
| 14:03.44 | Deubeuliou | err... maybe Crysis can run ? |
| 14:03.51 | Dave | I know where the problem is, but if I must be missing something because I don't see what the problem is. |
| 14:04.01 | Dave | In other words, the code is correct, but it fucks up :) |
| 14:04.06 | eckhard | hi all, is there something available like a sysprof over the whole openmoko software? |
| 14:04.07 | Dave | Pretty much like all the freerunner stuff? :D |
| 14:04.28 | roh | Deubeuliou the atheros firmware in the ar6k doesnt do monitor or sta mode. only client and ad-hoc. its not a driver problem (we would of course support is when possible) |
| 14:04.28 | Dave | tuxxx, you running quake on the freerunner? |
| 14:04.46 | Deubeuliou | ok roh, thank you |
| 14:04.47 | Wonka | i'd like to change neod in small amounts... too bad it's not python or something like that |
| 14:04.56 | Dave | roh, I hear the atheros firmware is closed, too. |
| 14:05.08 | Tanuva | Dave: i hate such bugs :/ |
| 14:05.10 | Dave | :[ |
| 14:05.14 | Dave | Tanuva, yup! |
| 14:05.32 | tuXXX | Dave: currently I'm not running anything, but quake and quake2 are working on GP2X |
| 14:05.40 | Dave | eh? |
| 14:05.41 | roh | Dave as any firmware is. firmware means in this case 'it doesnt run on the same cpu as linux' |
| 14:05.46 | Dave | Someone said Quake1 shold run on the freerunner. |
| 14:05.51 | Tanuva | I believe there's a bug in pygtk's treeview interface... have you ever used that? |
| 14:05.53 | Dave | heh |
| 14:06.01 | Dave | roh :( |
| 14:06.03 | tuXXX | yes, quake1 will run :p |
| 14:06.08 | Dave | Make it run! |
| 14:06.16 | Dave | I want DOOM, as well. |
| 14:06.21 | Dave | But quake would be a sufficient start. |
| 14:06.26 | tuXXX | the problem is the input |
| 14:06.32 | Dave | Tanuva, it's likely. |
| 14:06.40 | Dave | are you talking about interactivity-wise? |
| 14:06.47 | tuXXX | yes |
| 14:06.49 | Dave | like when using the treeview? it fucks up? |
| 14:06.53 | Dave | tux, yeah |
| 14:06.57 | roh | Dave same is true for marvell chips, all gsm fw i am aware of etc.. even the intel wifi stuff on notebooks is binary only. |
| 14:07.04 | Dave | I'm wondering if I could get a USB controller (gamepad) to work with the freerunner |
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| 14:07.25 | Dave | though I fear that even if it would work, confiration or not being able to calibrate it would be a problem |
| 14:07.30 | tuXXX | you don't have any key, I saw a video of quake1 controlled by an accelerator (don't remember which phone) |
| 14:07.37 | Dave | roh, sadness. |
| 14:07.49 | tuXXX | usb gamepads are usb-hid compiant :p |
| 14:07.50 | Dave | tux, sounds violent :P |
| 14:08.00 | Dave | tux, hrm |
| 14:08.05 | Tanuva | Dave: I have set up three columns, but I can't add three-object-arrays of data - with just one data object (a string) it basically works,but the string doesn't show up in the treeview |
| 14:08.07 | Dave | I don't believe that ALL of them are. |
| 14:08.13 | Dave | tux, even so, how would you configure them!/ |
| 14:08.14 | tuXXX | well, most of them |
| 14:08.16 | eckhard | with accelerators could be dangerius. |
| 14:08.18 | roh | Dave but thats quite 'normal' .. the important point is: no binaries in userspace where the source isnt avail. thats a huge step forward already. |
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| 14:08.22 | Dave | I don't think there's even support for that on openmoko yet! |
| 14:08.31 | roh | same for kernelspace. |
| 14:08.32 | Dave | roh, I guess |
| 14:08.34 | eckhard | if it comes to flash banks or so |
| 14:08.36 | Dave | it's just a very uphill battle. |
| 14:08.41 | Dave | :) |
| 14:09.04 | tuXXX | anyway, I'll keep my gp2x for gaming |
| 14:09.07 | tuXXX | ^^' |
| 14:09.14 | roh | doom should be easy (when you got the source) |
| 14:09.35 | Shlee | tuXXX: I'm waiting for the openpandora |
| 14:09.47 | tuXXX | Shlee: I'll maybe get one too |
| 14:10.17 | pb__ | roh: yah, doom (prboom anyway) is in oe, it should be trivial to build it for openmoko |
| 14:10.23 | eckhard | again to my question, if I wanted to build the sysprof module for FR with bitbake how do do this? |
| 14:10.34 | roh | thinks openpandora is more hype than real. also their openness is different than what i define it for myself (no binaries on the app cpu) |
| 14:11.04 | Shlee | roh: I'm going to give the Pandora a chance |
| 14:11.20 | tuXXX | roh: there is so many definition of "open"... :p |
| 14:11.21 | roh | currently it looks like they will only have binary drivers for any graphics with the accell., which will not change since its not ti's IP |
| 14:11.21 | Shlee | because, they seem to have alot of developers working on devkits already |
| 14:11.25 | Shlee | and the hardware is solid |
| 14:11.42 | tuXXX | roh: you mean, exactly like with the glamo? ^^ |
| 14:11.49 | roh | tuXXX no. |
| 14:11.58 | roh | tuXXX for glamo you have the driver. in source. |
| 14:12.08 | tuXXX | you're right, we don't have 3D at all |
| 14:12.23 | roh | even if you had it wouldnt be much gain. thats why nobody did it. |
| 14:12.43 | roh | 256x256 pixel textures are worthless.. you can blit that faster in software |
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| 14:13.17 | eckhard | but we could simulate 3D having two FRs playing stereoscopic together ;) |
| 14:13.38 | roh | the gpu inside the omap3 they use is not from ti, but a licensed powervr SG530 it seems. |
| 14:13.40 | tuXXX | maybe it's possible to reverse-engineer a 3D binary driver (like the nouveau folks) |
| 14:13.52 | roh | dream on. |
| 14:13.59 | ShellEvil | It is possible. |
| 14:14.07 | roh | in theory. will not happen. |
| 14:14.11 | ShellEvil | The question is how much time are you going to dedicate to it. |
| 14:14.39 | roh | much too few gain in it for the money. such stuff only gets reversed on totally different scales of distributed units. |
| 14:15.19 | Shlee | roh: the hardware/drivers might be binary.. but atleast it supports OpenGL and all those nice 3D graphic standards out of the box. |
| 14:15.34 | roh | means it took years for drivers to be reversed even only partially, and even then i know of not a single driver out there in linux which is fullfeatured or completed. |
| 14:15.36 | Shlee | the "open" argument is still an issue for purests but |
| 14:15.41 | roh | Shlee no. |
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| 14:16.15 | roh | Shlee you seem to have no clue what that means for development. it means you have something you cannot debug, you cannot change, which nails down an api and an abi to one released binary. |
| 14:16.25 | roh | linux does not have any api or abi which is 'fixed' |
| 14:16.38 | roh | besides that binaryonly-kerneldrivers are not legal. |
| 14:17.15 | Shlee | will read up on this.. Wasn't aware of it |
| 14:17.36 | roh | they are 'tolerated' to a certain degree, but not legal by law. thats why ati for example helps open development now and doesnt release readymade .ko files. |
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| 14:18.13 | roh | they release a binary with a wrapper whcih the customer needs to compile and link finally. making him responsible for the result (which is basically undistributable) |
| 14:19.39 | roh | thats why for example often the binary fglrx and nv drivers break when some new kernel gets released. some change somewhere else simply breaks it because it cannot be compiled again to the right abi/api. |
| 14:20.13 | roh | see SLAB/SLUB change on ubuntu and the resulting breakage of fglrx till they rebuilt and released a new version much later |
| 14:21.07 | jaj | I was wondering, does 2008.8 include the software fix for the GPS/SD bus conflict? |
| 14:23.12 | roh | should. |
| 14:23.57 | Dave | roh, give me the source! |
| 14:24.13 | roh | to what? |
| 14:24.17 | Dave | DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM |
| 14:25.08 | lindi- | roh: xserver-xorg-video-nv is an interesting case too. it has source code but a preprocessor was used to remove symbolic names of constants and only numbers are left |
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| 14:25.43 | Dave | lindi: obfuscation/protection? |
| 14:25.53 | tuXXX | jaj: I don't know, but you're right, yesterday I was out the afternoon and only got something like 4 good fixes for 3500 bad ones... |
| 14:26.09 | Dave | tux, that sounds terrible. |
| 14:26.11 | roh | http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_source_code |
| 14:26.17 | lindi- | Dave: you mean user subjugation :) |
| 14:26.22 | Dave | >:) |
| 14:26.30 | Dave | evilness! |
| 14:26.55 | tuXXX | so either buildings are really bad for GPS, or the SD fix were not present |
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| 14:27.07 | Dave | Source me, baby! |
| 14:27.12 | lindi- | roh: Dave: http://iki.fi/lindi/nv_hw.c if you want to take a look |
| 14:27.18 | Dave | Ooh |
| 14:27.24 | Dave | dankje |
| 14:27.46 | tuXXX | lindi-: there's a version before the preprocessing pass |
| 14:28.26 | Dave | looks like hax logic |
| 14:28.37 | lindi- | tuXXX: an old version? |
| 14:28.42 | tuXXX | yes |
| 14:28.57 | lindi- | was it licensed as free software too? |
| 14:29.08 | Dave | seems unlikely |
| 14:29.50 | Dave | Meanwhile, where's my DOOM port? :) |
| 14:31.05 | roh | lindi- my solution to the mess is to keep my hands away from nvidia hardware where possible. |
| 14:31.16 | Zorkman | or the $%#@ way to play tux with touchscreen :) |
| 14:31.33 | Dave | :D |
| 14:31.45 | roh | lindi- only makes trouble and since they only 'resale' sgi IP, they will never be able to open themselves like ati/amd and via or intel. |
| 14:31.48 | roh | lost cause. |
| 14:31.51 | Dave | roh, bah :) |
| 14:32.03 | Dave | yay via :) |
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| 14:33.46 | Tanuva | so ati is good and nvidia is evil now... interesing, someone inverted the image |
| 14:34.20 | roh | which is kinda sad, because i would like to buy a new workstation mainboard and if there would be reasonable chipset-combination for amd i would have already bought one |
| 14:34.30 | mjr | nvidia has pretty much always been evil |
| 14:34.47 | mjr | ati was good for a bit earlier, but then was evil until recently |
| 14:35.03 | roh | Tanuva before amd opened up docs they were pretty much up par. only the drivers for ati were worse (which is a quality, not a evilness thing) |
| 14:35.03 | TAsn-hasmoko | :) |
| 14:35.14 | Tanuva | hmm |
| 14:35.18 | TAsn-orderedmoko | correction ;0 |
| 14:35.48 | mjr | anyway no inversions there, just ATI/AMD turning their coats a couple of times |
| 14:37.46 | Tanuva | now really wonders which graphics card to buy since an upgrade is nessecary :/ |
| 14:38.24 | mjr | has recently bought intel but them's only integrated... |
| 14:38.44 | Tanuva | has no use for integrated graphics :> |
| 14:39.21 | roh | i do not care about gaming a long time anymore.. thats what consoles are for. |
| 14:39.26 | Zorkman | anybody tried any recent qtopia-based buildhost images? |
| 14:39.47 | roh | i need multiple high-res dvi outputs, no fans, no rendering 'glitches' |
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| 14:40.06 | roh | means i used matrox till they turned evil/built unusable hardware |
| 14:40.14 | ShellEvil | roh: bit ambitious. Wher'd you put the connectors - on the side of the phone? :) |
| 14:40.32 | roh | in a phone i have no use for accel besides simple 2d and blitting anyways. |
| 14:40.50 | roh | 3d is overrated bs. |
| 14:40.58 | malik1972 | one question, how can i recognize on the console if the screen is in portrait or landscape mode? |
| 14:41.17 | roh | i need framesync xvideo in hd with proper cubic scaling etc. (not in phone) |
| 14:41.32 | Tanuva | won't ever buy such a goddamn console |
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| 14:42.19 | roh | Tanuva then you will need to wait for many games some time if you even get them at all. |
| 14:42.39 | Tanuva | I don't want many games, I just want the ones I have to run smoothly :) |
| 14:42.56 | roh | then youre wrong using a pc in the first place. |
| 14:43.07 | Dave | roh, hah |
| 14:43.09 | roh | pc is not optimized for that at all. |
| 14:43.19 | Dave | At first I thought you meant in the phone - what are you crazy!? :D |
| 14:43.21 | Tanuva | and console games have their problems, too |
| 14:43.25 | Dave | Seemed like a tall order. |
| 14:44.09 | Dave | So, where's my DOOM port? |
| 14:44.14 | roh | Tanuva yes. but they can be fixed usually, and the overall quality is much better (no reason for the coders to worry about different drivers etc) |
| 14:44.51 | tuXXX | Dave: http://prboom.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:45.17 | Tanuva | will stay with a pc as long as possible... nothing as flexible as that |
| 14:45.55 | TAsn-orderedmoko | have there been any new developments in hacking glamo to run video? |
| 14:46.47 | roh | dodji once hacked open mplayer to use it to decode mpeg4 video on the glamo |
| 14:46.49 | Zorkman | TAsn-orderedmoko: i haven heard of anything really new since a"acceleration in your pocket" |
| 14:47.00 | roh | besides that xglamo supports xv some time now afaik |
| 14:47.10 | TAsn-orderedmoko | Zorkman, same here |
| 14:47.29 | TAsn-orderedmoko | roh, so i can run movies in normal fps? |
| 14:48.53 | Tanuva | does debian use xglamo by default yet? |
| 14:49.18 | roh | no clue. i dunno more than the blogpost and the code available says |
| 14:49.36 | tmarkus | Tanuva: it can't because it's a generic arm distribution and not freerunner specific |
| 14:49.44 | Ark1 | are there any 3d games for om yet? |
| 14:50.06 | Tanuva | tmarkus: so I have to install it manually |
| 14:51.34 | tuXXX | Ark1: since there is no 3D acceleration available, the best available 3D would be provided by software 3D engines |
| 14:52.39 | Dave | wtf |
| 14:53.45 | Dave | oh hot |
| 14:53.47 | Dave | :D |
| 14:53.56 | Dave | tux, have you tried that yet? |
| 14:54.19 | tuXXX | Dave: what? |
| 14:56.36 | tmarkus | Tanuva: yes, disregarding any hardware detection done by the installer |
| 14:57.12 | lindi- | Tanuva: xglamo touchscreen still does not work in the debian package yet |
| 14:57.16 | lindi- | afaik |
| 14:57.28 | Tanuva | aaargh, I always confuse python with c syntax ><. |
| 14:57.49 | Dave | DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM |
| 14:57.54 | Dave | Tanuva, use perl. |
| 14:57.59 | Dave | s/./;/ |
| 14:58.13 | Tanuva | lindi-: hmm. does xglamo lead to any performance increase (is it worth it)? :D |
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| 15:01.17 | Dave | nah, just performance fails |
| 15:01.28 | lindi- | Tanuva: well, it allows xrandr -o 3 |
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| 15:12.24 | Dave | GUS set of compatible sound patches? |
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| 15:14.36 | Dave | Timidity? |
| 15:16.28 | Dave | wtf is deutex!? |
| 15:16.32 | Dave | gah |
| 15:16.35 | Dave | someone make a package already |
| 15:16.56 | Dave | or I will! |
| 15:17.00 | Dave | >:) |
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| 15:22.39 | slaxxin | bear down super dave we are watching |
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| 15:56.17 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r12acae6fb162 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (4 files): process events when idle FIXME: still buggy, does not work when idlenotifier is loaded |
| 15:56.17 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r021ed8a4a8f3 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input-helpers.h): |
| 15:56.17 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: Fix processing of input events when idle, prolly save from power |
| 15:56.17 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: FIXME: idlenotifier conflicts with input plugin |
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| 16:04.09 | Dave | :) |
| 16:04.42 | Ark1 | tuXXX: i was under the impression that the freerunner had 3d acceleration |
| 16:05.20 | Dave | DOOM |
| 16:06.04 | Ark1 | SMedia Glamo3362 Graphics Accelerator |
| 16:06.45 | tuXXX | yes, the hardware maybe does, but since we don't have any driver with it... |
| 16:09.02 | Ark1 | wow, u would think there would be a driver for something that comes preinstalled in the device |
| 16:09.31 | Ark1 | so is there not anyway to take advantage of it? |
| 16:09.50 | mjr | RE the winedos mobile driver. Though the hardware is very limited for 3d anyway so ... |
| 16:09.58 | mjr | windowos |
| 16:10.06 | mjr | whatever |
| 16:12.35 | Ark1 | windows |
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| 16:13.43 | mjr | anyway, the gl features wouldn't probably be useful at the VGA res anyway |
| 16:13.58 | mjr | (as well as taking lot of kludging to work with that, if at all) |
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| 16:20.56 | Ark1 | so does it do ANYTHING? |
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| 16:21.26 | Ark1 | if not someone should write something to offload CPU work to it |
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| 16:41.15 | Dave | glamo it up! |
| 16:43.16 | Dave | INSERT BATTERY SHUNT |
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| 16:51.44 | igor321 | hi guys, anyone tried to run games on the thing? |
| 16:53.06 | mjr | things like xkobo and scummvm have been run more or less well in addition to simple puzzle games and such |
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| 16:53.39 | mjr | oh and sopwith! but it really wants a keyboard or some funky custom input system |
| 16:55.03 | igor321 | maybe some 3d shiz we can use accelerometres with? |
| 16:55.07 | igor321 | neverball? |
| 16:55.50 | mjr | dunno if anyone's dared to try |
| 16:55.59 | igor321 | hehe :) |
| 17:00.47 | tuXXX | neverball would be nice with the accelerometer, but the 3D part may not be easy to manage |
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| 17:03.50 | Dave | damn |
| 17:03.58 | jucs | Got my ogg problem solved :-P |
| 17:04.05 | Dave | tux, you speculate too much, you need to put more games on your freerunner! |
| 17:04.07 | Dave | JUCS! |
| 17:04.08 | Dave | \o/ |
| 17:04.14 | jucs | Dave! |
| 17:04.17 | Dave | wilkommen |
| 17:04.20 | jucs | Danke :_) |
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| 17:04.23 | Dave | :D |
| 17:04.33 | ike | Omg. German language again! |
| 17:04.37 | Dave | HEIL! |
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| 17:04.45 | Dave | Die Deutschen! :D |
| 17:04.51 | ike | Du bist schmutzig! Washe dich! |
| 17:04.55 | Dave | :O |
| 17:04.58 | Dave | :[ |
| 17:05.57 | jucs | :-D |
| 17:05.59 | jucs | Well... |
| 17:06.07 | jucs | ike: No, I'm not ;-Ã |
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| 17:06.17 | ike | ;-) |
| 17:06.17 | Dave | Jucs, so I take it you never got lost in Berlin... |
| 17:06.18 | Dave | :P |
| 17:06.27 | Dave | :) |
| 17:06.36 | ike | jucs: I know only a few sentences in german. |
| 17:06.51 | ike | like "Ich spreche nicht deutch" oslt. |
| 17:06.58 | jucs | Yes, I made it through berlin... |
| 17:06.59 | Dave | Bedauernswert |
| 17:07.04 | Dave | jucs :] |
| 17:07.05 | jucs | Just because my mum was with me *red* |
| 17:07.12 | Dave | heehee |
| 17:07.14 | Dave | really? :P |
| 17:07.14 | jucs | Nono, the freerunner worked fine^^ |
| 17:07.19 | Dave | oh okay, good :D |
| 17:07.26 | jucs | Yes, actually we visited some ... relatives^^ |
| 17:07.41 | Dave | Cool! :D |
| 17:07.45 | ike | And "Ich bin ein Kartoffel". |
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| 17:07.51 | Dave | Did you have a nice time, with your relatives, and your freerunner? :P |
| 17:08.01 | Dave | ike, roffle? |
| 17:08.03 | jucs | In fact, being a GPS-Device is the only thing that works stable by now :-D |
| 17:08.12 | ike | Dave: w00t? |
| 17:08.18 | jucs | Yes, I did... we had to stop near to every power source :-D |
| 17:08.49 | Dave | haha |
| 17:08.51 | ike | My brother taught me "I am a potato" in few languages. Don't know why. IT's aweird fetish. |
| 17:08.51 | Dave | aw :P |
| 17:08.59 | Dave | o_O |
| 17:09.02 | Dave | Idaho? |
| 17:09.14 | jucs | ike: Ich bin eine Kartoffel. XDDDD |
| 17:09.20 | ike | ;-) I was in the USA once, however I didn't go to Idaho. |
| 17:09.31 | ike | Damn it. Eine. I'll remember now. |
| 17:10.58 | Dave | hmm |
| 17:11.02 | Dave | free runner |
| 17:11.11 | Dave | more like half-closed runner :\ |
| 17:11.11 | jucs | :-) |
| 17:11.16 | Dave | and not running |
| 17:11.21 | Dave | it's barely walking as of yet |
| 17:11.21 | jucs | half closed? |
| 17:11.31 | jucs | :_D |
| 17:11.33 | Dave | so maybe it's a Half-closed Walker? |
| 17:11.36 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 17:11.37 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 17:11.39 | jucs | Why half closed? |
| 17:11.48 | Dave | maybe people wouldn't be so interested in purchasing it if it were called that :D |
| 17:11.56 | Dave | jucs, because most the hardware in it is NOT open |
| 17:12.01 | Dave | -_- |
| 17:12.21 | jucs | But as far as openmoko can open it... |
| 17:12.44 | jucs | They can't do a thing about that Samsung won't open it's CPU arch^^ |
| 17:12.55 | Dave | :| |
| 17:13.19 | jucs | I mean, it's open enough to rebuild it yourself, if you'd like to.. |
| 17:13.25 | Dave | bah! |
| 17:13.31 | Dave | but who wants to do thaT!? |
| 17:13.51 | jucs | That's the idea of open source... |
| 17:13.52 | Dave | Dummheit! |
| 17:13.56 | Dave | :[ |
| 17:14.10 | jucs | But they should really concentrate on the software now... |
| 17:14.28 | jucs | Right now, I need to take to mobiles with me - the freerunner and my old nokia for calls and SMS... |
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| 17:15.42 | jucs | Or if it as least had a working web browser, an email oder news reader.... |
| 17:15.51 | The_D0ct0r | Hey, is there anyone who knows how I can add a custom launcher to the Om2008.8 home screen? |
| 17:16.28 | jucs | Isn't that also handled by /usr/share/applications and the .desktop files in there? |
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| 17:20.56 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r99c8433e0069 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:20.56 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: oevents: Push/Pull Scenario idea didn't work out, we need to save state between rule invocations for that. |
| 17:20.56 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: Went back to fixed SetScenario (same as we did in oeventd for ms2) for now until we can discuss more. |
| 17:21.07 | The_D0ct0r | jucs: it was |
| 17:21.08 | The_D0ct0r | thx |
| 17:21.55 | jucs | Np ;-) |
| 17:22.43 | Dave | her doktehr |
| 17:23.14 | jucs | Qtopia X11, Qtopia and Om2008.8 are completely independent distributions? |
| 17:23.59 | Dave | Yes |
| 17:24.06 | Dave | and then there's openmoko |
| 17:24.09 | Dave | and ASU |
| 17:24.10 | Dave | BBQ |
| 17:24.13 | flexd_ | argh, i cant start my FR >_< |
| 17:24.16 | Dave | yeah, it's pretty crazy :D |
| 17:24.18 | jucs | Nono, ASU == Om2008.8... |
| 17:24.26 | jucs | BBQ? |
| 17:24.37 | flexd_ | wait nvm, here we go :D |
| 17:24.41 | Dave | ASU != 2008.8 !? |
| 17:24.42 | Dave | wtf |
| 17:24.48 | Dave | UNLESS |
| 17:24.53 | Dave | August Software Update ;p |
| 17:25.00 | Dave | actually no |
| 17:25.06 | Dave | and you forgot FSO and GTK (2007.2) |
| 17:25.10 | flexd_ | It takes massive brain power to figure out... How did you do it? :P |
| 17:25.15 | Dave | D |
| 17:25.19 | Dave | plug it in? |
| 17:25.40 | flexd_ | hum |
| 17:25.44 | jucs | Oh gosh, if even one worked... |
| 17:25.54 | flexd_ | Someone should hack the IPhone OS to go on the FR :P |
| 17:25.56 | Dave | right! |
| 17:26.00 | flexd_ | That would be funny |
| 17:26.24 | jucs | I mean, I really really like Om2007.2.... I'm sad that they're now doing to Qtopia-Gui... |
| 17:26.27 | flexd_ | all those guys spending thousands on a iphone, and we get a much cooler, better, and open phone :) |
| 17:26.29 | Dave | Unfortunately arm6 apps don't work on arm4 |
| 17:26.40 | Dave | then there's all that proprietary code |
| 17:26.44 | Dave | and the fact that apple blows |
| 17:26.54 | Dave | though mostly in the hardware dept and osx core |
| 17:27.12 | jucs | I actually don't want the iPhone-OS... |
| 17:27.18 | Dave | yeah eww |
| 17:27.19 | jucs | I mean, I dislike Apple too much... |
| 17:27.27 | Dave | cooties |
| 17:27.28 | Dave | YES |
| 17:27.35 | Dave | LET THE HATE FLOW THROUGH YOU. |
| 17:27.42 | jucs | But I would try Android, even though it's not as open as openmoko... but until they've got something working :-P |
| 17:28.54 | Dave | :P |
| 17:28.55 | Dave | bah |
| 17:28.59 | Dave | traitor :D |
| 17:30.10 | ike | Hate leads to anger. Anger leads to fear. Fear leads to the dark side! |
| 17:30.49 | ike | wrote it on white MacBook. :P |
| 17:31.03 | Bill_ | ike.. you got it all wrong |
| 17:31.20 | ike | Bill: might be. I am not StarWars zaelot. |
| 17:31.21 | ike | ;-P |
| 17:31.31 | Bill_ | fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering... and that is the path to the dark side |
| 17:31.37 | Dave | :D |
| 17:31.38 | flexd_ | I actually want a macbook |
| 17:31.40 | Bill_ | neither am i but it's just such a classic :P |
| 17:31.41 | flexd_ | purely for OS X |
| 17:31.46 | flexd_ | Not that it might be awesome, or not |
| 17:31.51 | flexd_ | But i want to try something new, |
| 17:31.57 | Dave | Sure |
| 17:32.02 | flexd_ | if only apple didnt charge half a kidney for their machines in my country |
| 17:32.08 | Bill_ | yeah.. sad that they are now just PC's with glorified look |
| 17:32.12 | flexd_ | hell, i'd probably have to sell my liver too |
| 17:32.12 | Dave | haha |
| 17:32.14 | Dave | assy |
| 17:32.16 | Bill_ | liked the old powerbooks |
| 17:32.25 | Dave | flexd: try ebay :) |
| 17:34.38 | Dave | oh well, time to go to costco :) |
| 17:34.39 | flexd_ | maybe :) |
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| 17:34.50 | flexd_ | I have an old P4 2ghz laptop im using atm, gonna work just fine for school with ubuntu on it |
| 17:40.17 | tunys | Shiloh was here??? |
| 17:40.52 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r274cb07115af 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/input-helpers.c: input plugin: Fix some memory leaks, make process_event a high priority idle event |
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| 17:44.22 | jucs | flexd: How can you? |
| 17:44.58 | jucs | I would rather marry bill gates than buy one single piece of crapple prinsonware... |
| 17:45.02 | jucs | -n* |
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| 17:51.31 | ike | jucs: ;-) he's already married. |
| 17:52.01 | jucs | I know :_P |
| 17:52.02 | ike | jucs: but Jobs is free atm. ;p |
| 17:52.07 | jucs | RRRR |
| 17:52.14 | jucs | Guess why.. |
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| 17:53.20 | balajirrao | hi guys, I think I just screwed my FPC cable. How can I order for a new one ? |
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| 18:02.11 | flexd | jucs: How can i use ubuntu? |
| 18:02.14 | flexd | Or how can i want a macbook? |
| 18:02.58 | jucs | Ubuntu? |
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| 18:08.32 | Zorkman | anyone know an application that shows cellID and signal strenght? |
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| 18:10.44 | jucs | Zorkman: libgsmd-tool |
| 18:11.16 | Zorkman | does that have a gui? |
| 18:11.59 | Zorkman | I know there is one with a gui, but I can't find it anywhere :( |
| 18:12.02 | Zorkman | i'll check libgsmd-tool |
| 18:12.41 | Zorkman | seems that it doesn't have a gui |
| 18:12.51 | ab0oo | has anyone tried GPE (Gnome Palmtop Enviro) on the FR? |
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| 18:16.30 | tuXXX | I'm able to do calls on Qtopia, not bad |
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| 18:18.23 | Adam_G | ok, this is embarassing. I can't figure out how to enter my command in the terminal. |
| 18:18.36 | Zorkman | ? |
| 18:18.41 | Zorkman | are you ssh'ed in? |
| 18:18.44 | Adam_G | I have it in there.., but where's linefeed? |
| 18:19.10 | Adam_G | I am sshed in, but this is with the terminal from the openmoko-terminal2 package |
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| 18:20.23 | tuXXX | and SMSes are working too... |
| 18:24.58 | Bill_ | hmh.. looks like last e from zeckes repo segfaults at start.. over and over |
| 18:25.13 | Bill_ | illume loads but then there's recursive sigsegv |
| 18:25.17 | jucs | Does anyone experience complete hangs while charging (not via usb / pc, but via power supply) and using sound applications like Media Player? |
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| 18:26.42 | jucs | Could someone try this? |
| 18:27.14 | jucs | Plug the freerunner in and play some music and so on? |
| 18:27.24 | jucs | With Om2007.2... |
| 18:27.35 | Zorkman | jucs: no |
| 18:27.47 | Zorkman | jucs: i'm currently charging through usb and playing an mp3 |
| 18:27.50 | Zorkman | streaming also works |
| 18:28.01 | jucs | With the Om2007.2-thing? |
| 18:28.06 | Zorkman | yes |
| 18:28.17 | Zorkman | I flashed the kernel a few hours ago and opkg upgraded |
| 18:28.23 | Zorkman | but it always worked for me... |
| 18:28.25 | jucs | Zorkman: USB or power supply? |
| 18:28.32 | Zorkman | USB |
| 18:28.45 | jucs | No, it only affects charging with the power supply... |
| 18:28.47 | Zorkman | but it also works with the wall charger |
| 18:28.56 | Zorkman | (at least it does on my Fr) |
| 18:29.03 | jucs | okay... |
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| 18:34.19 | Daenyth | Hi, I'm having a little trouble getting my new freerunner online by forwarding the connection over usb |
| 18:34.37 | Daenyth | I'm following the usb networking guide on the wiki |
| 18:35.00 | ab0oo | Daenyth: remember to "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" on the desktop (as root) |
| 18:35.09 | Daenyth | ab0oo: I did |
| 18:35.32 | ab0oo | and you set "iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE" ? |
| 18:35.41 | Daenyth | yup |
| 18:35.53 | Daenyth | they're on .0.200 and .0.202, as in the guide |
| 18:36.01 | ab0oo | and, most importantly, you're not using funky ipaddresses (i.e. your PC is 192.168.0.200 and the FR is 192.168.0.202? |
| 18:36.11 | ab0oo | what's the IP for eth0 on the PC? |
| 18:36.23 | ab0oo | i.e. are you using 192.168.0.xxx on both sides? |
| 18:36.26 | Daenyth | I'm using wireless on the pc; it's 192.168.1.106 |
| 18:36.30 | Daenyth | oh |
| 18:36.32 | Daenyth | usb0? |
| 18:36.43 | ab0oo | no, you're right |
| 18:36.45 | Daenyth | yes, for usb0 it's .0.200 and .0.202 |
| 18:36.56 | ab0oo | there is a case where you have eth0 and usb0 both on 192.168.0.xxx networks. |
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| 18:37.01 | ab0oo | that can be problematic |
| 18:37.07 | Daenyth | yeah, that's not it I would think |
| 18:37.15 | ab0oo | if you have a d-link router, etc |
| 18:37.29 | Daenyth | nope |
| 18:37.38 | Daenyth | they can ping each other, I can ssh in |
| 18:38.06 | Zorkman | Daenyth: did you edit your etc/resolv.conf on the FR? |
| 18:38.22 | Daenyth | Zorkman: I can't get out by ip address either |
| 18:38.22 | Zorkman | Daenyth: you're still set as away |
| 18:38.46 | Zorkman | Daenyth: you have to edit your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:38.48 | ab0oo | can you ping 192.168.1.106 from the FR? how about 192.168.1.1 (assuming that's your gateway/router) |
| 18:38.58 | Daenyth | lemme try |
| 18:39.07 | Daenyth | I can't ping .1.1 |
| 18:39.07 | ab0oo | if IP addresses work, and names don't, you're in DNS resolution hell. |
| 18:39.13 | Daenyth | ab0oo: ip addresses don't work |
| 18:39.19 | ab0oo | and you CAN ping 1.1. from the PC? |
| 18:39.22 | Daenyth | yes |
| 18:39.39 | ab0oo | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and paste the result here, please. |
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| 18:40.00 | Daenyth | 1 |
| 18:40.19 | Daenyth | I used the two iptables lines listed further down to forward dns requests |
| 18:40.24 | ab0oo | ok. Not that I didn't believe you... but I didn't. :) |
| 18:40.25 | Daenyth | might that have broken something? |
| 18:40.37 | Daenyth | ab0oo: np, I know how it is. I do tech support quite often :) |
| 18:40.50 | ab0oo | sudo iptables -t nat -L -vxn and paste it to pastebin, please |
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| 18:41.11 | Daenyth | http://rafb.net/p/BhQWbi71.html |
| 18:41.35 | Daenyth | line 8? |
| 18:41.43 | Daenyth | that looks funky, dest 0.? |
| 18:42.08 | ab0oo | nah, that's legit. |
| 18:42.14 | Zorkman | http://www.thomasbertani.it/getipk/v0.1.0/index.php |
| 18:42.20 | ab0oo | that's basically saying "ANY" destination |
| 18:42.23 | Daenyth | btw, when I try to iwconfig eth0 essid my_essid key my_wep_key; it fails |
| 18:42.45 | Daenyth | I can connect to the essid, but I can't put in the wep key |
| 18:42.48 | ab0oo | mine looks identical |
| 18:42.50 | Daenyth | is there any special method on the FR? |
| 18:43.10 | ab0oo | (my postrouting line). I run dnsmasq in resolver-only mode on my 192.168.0.200 machine |
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| 18:43.26 | ab0oo | so I don't use the forward-dns-resolution PREROUTING lines |
| 18:44.02 | ab0oo | paste "netstat -rn" from the freerunner here, please |
| 18:44.05 | Daenyth | k |
| 18:44.14 | Daenyth | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface |
| 18:44.14 | Daenyth | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 18:44.38 | ab0oo | route add default gw 192.168.0.200 |
| 18:44.44 | Daenyth | ohh duh |
| 18:45.05 | Daenyth | ahhh |
| 18:45.15 | Daenyth | it's been so long since I've done static ip, forgot that part |
| 18:45.19 | Daenyth | works now, just have to set up the dns |
| 18:45.21 | ab0oo | I hope that was it, because I'm running out of tech-support ideas... |
| 18:45.25 | Daenyth | I'll probably try dnsmasq |
| 18:45.26 | ab0oo | phew. |
| 18:45.35 | Daenyth | I have to go run some errands, bbl |
| 18:45.36 | Daenyth | thanks for the help |
| 18:45.44 | tuXXX | and ip forwarding? |
| 18:45.55 | Daenyth | tuXXX: I can ping google's ip address |
| 18:46.01 | Daenyth | so I just need to configure dns next |
| 18:46.02 | Daenyth | afk |
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| 18:46.19 | tuXXX | hmm yes |
| 18:48.02 | Tanuva | does the matchbox keyboard only work with matchbox-wm? |
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| 18:59.45 | Ark1 | is there a good tutorial to writing apps for om? |
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| 19:01.37 | goodwill | Ark1: um...in what sense? |
| 19:01.51 | goodwill | Ark1: you write apps for it the same way you would other linux systems |
| 19:02.13 | Ark1 | heh ok |
| 19:04.02 | goodwill | Ark1: there are several software stacks... |
| 19:04.09 | goodwill | the gtk one the qutopia one |
| 19:04.10 | goodwill | fso |
| 19:04.32 | goodwill | uses c++ , python, efl...and all the other good things |
| 19:04.38 | goodwill | its really up to you |
| 19:04.43 | Ark1 | no java i guess |
| 19:04.53 | goodwill | you can check out some project on projects.openmoko.org |
| 19:04.57 | goodwill | to see hwo people do it |
| 19:05.06 | Ark1 | ok thank you |
| 19:05.12 | goodwill | I believe there is a project there for porting java onto OM |
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| 19:05.53 | lindi- | goodwill: apt-get install openjdk-6-jre |
| 19:06.02 | aggtrfrad | can i manually see the battery level without apm? |
| 19:06.07 | goodwill | lindi-: pardon? |
| 19:06.38 | lindi- | goodwill: sun/icedtea/debian folks have already ported it for armel, why reinvent the wheel? |
| 19:06.51 | goodwill | lindi-: its not my project |
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| 19:07.36 | goodwill | lindi-: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/java-pkg/ |
| 19:08.02 | lindi- | hmm |
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| 19:13.40 | AntonTakk | anyone using a recent daily and getting good reliability? |
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| 19:19.12 | Ark1 | is it possible to run 08.8 on a 1973? |
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| 19:21.26 | af08151 | is there an visual interface for the alsa soundmixer available (openmoko gtk)? |
| 19:21.29 | Daenyth | bask |
| 19:21.33 | Daenyth | er |
| 19:21.36 | Daenyth | back |
| 19:21.47 | Daenyth | af08151: alsamixer isn't good enough for you? :P |
| 19:21.55 | aggtrfrad | yeah... its visual |
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| 19:22.32 | af08151 | yes but a little hard to work on the terminal |
| 19:22.42 | Daenyth | mmm so. Do I have to use my desktop as the dns server? I tried using nameserver 192.168.1.1 (my router, which I can ping) |
| 19:22.46 | Daenyth | but it didn't work |
| 19:23.11 | aggtrfrad | router will not respond to external vlans |
| 19:23.17 | Daenyth | gotcha |
| 19:23.22 | aggtrfrad | but will route their packets |
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| 19:23.29 | aggtrfrad | so set as a dns |
| 19:23.38 | aggtrfrad | the real dns server from ur isp |
| 19:23.43 | Daenyth | does anybody have a dnsmasq conf that will just bounce it along to the server in my desktop's resolv.conf? |
| 19:23.50 | Daenyth | aha |
| 19:23.57 | Daenyth | lemme try the opendns ones |
| 19:24.03 | Daenyth | I trust those more |
| 19:24.09 | AntonTakk | Daenyth: i just use 4.2.2.2 |
| 19:24.17 | Daenyth | or .1 :p |
| 19:24.17 | lindi- | Daenyth: what does the "open" in opendns mean btw? |
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| 19:24.30 | Daenyth | lindi-: public global dns servers that anyone can use |
| 19:24.36 | Daenyth | assuming their govt doesn't block the request :P |
| 19:24.59 | Daenyth | woo |
| 19:25.00 | lindi- | Daenyth: but they use proprietary software and redirect you to ads? |
| 19:25.02 | Daenyth | annnnd I have dns |
| 19:25.07 | Daenyth | lindi-: afaik no |
| 19:25.15 | Daenyth | open like linux is open |
| 19:25.16 | lindi- | to which part? |
| 19:25.34 | lindi- | Daenyth: wikipedia says 'OpenDNS is not, as its name might seem to imply, open source software.' |
| 19:25.40 | Daenyth | perhaps I am mistaken then |
| 19:26.24 | jonquark | Can I ask for a straw poll: I've tried 3 SIMs with my Freerunner (none have worked). I'm going to buy another tomorrow. Have most people been successful with the first SIM, or have people generally had to try multiple SIMs? |
| 19:26.38 | lindi- | worked for me |
| 19:26.40 | lindi- | jonquark: how does it fail? |
| 19:27.06 | jonquark | lindi-: In the log Error 13, it can't talk to the SIM at all |
| 19:27.22 | jonquark | (there are trac bugs open about this) |
| 19:27.35 | Daenyth | jonquark: I think it depends on brand? |
| 19:27.47 | lindi- | jonquark: right |
| 19:28.03 | Bill_ | jonquark: worked here too |
| 19:28.11 | Bill_ | and the sim is something like 3 or 4 years old |
| 19:28.25 | lindi- | i got brand new sim and it worked too |
| 19:28.44 | Daenyth | I hope mine works :s |
| 19:28.56 | Daenyth | haven't put it in yet |
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| 19:29.03 | jonquark | is very envious...and very sad |
| 19:29.15 | phrozen77 | mine worked right away |
| 19:29.32 | Daenyth | I just got mine last night for a birthday gift :D |
| 19:29.43 | Daenyth | and I have this whole week off work, so psyched |
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| 19:30.53 | Daenyth | hmm |
| 19:31.12 | Daenyth | when I try to manually connect to my wep network, I can't put in the key |
| 19:31.23 | Daenyth | I can associate fine but when I try the key it gives me an error |
| 19:31.40 | aggtrfrad | iwconfig eth0 key 1122334455 |
| 19:31.49 | Daenyth | yes, that's what I'm doing |
| 19:32.00 | Daenyth | Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :\n SET failed on device eth0 ; Input/output error. |
| 19:32.51 | aggtrfrad | r u using 2007.2? cause its drivers are buggy |
| 19:32.57 | Daenyth | I am |
| 19:33.16 | Daenyth | just got it yesterday, haven't installed anything yet |
| 19:33.35 | aggtrfrad | u could try turning it off (txpower off) and setting essid/key, and then back on (txpower 15) |
| 19:34.08 | Daenyth | mmmk |
| 19:34.14 | Daenyth | iwconfig txpower or just txpower |
| 19:34.21 | aggtrfrad | iwconfig |
| 19:34.23 | Daenyth | ok |
| 19:34.41 | Zorkman | Daenyth: mofi works for me |
| 19:34.42 | Daenyth | fails also |
| 19:34.50 | Daenyth | Zorkman: I was looking at the other.. lint? |
| 19:34.53 | Daenyth | it looked very nice |
| 19:35.00 | Zorkman | (WPA2, i don't even need to make a wpacomplicant file) |
| 19:35.07 | Daenyth | ugh, yeah |
| 19:35.08 | Zorkman | lint-wifi doesn't work for me... |
| 19:35.10 | Daenyth | wpa_sup is a bitch |
| 19:35.21 | Zorkman | mofi worked withouth wpa_sup |
| 19:35.25 | Daenyth | mm |
| 19:35.28 | Daenyth | I'll give both a go |
| 19:35.41 | aggtrfrad | cannot understant y lint-wifi uses wpa_supplicant to connect to open/wep nets |
| 19:35.49 | aggtrfrad | hates wpa_supplicant |
| 19:35.51 | Daenyth | it does? 0.o |
| 19:35.58 | aggtrfrad | yeah.. |
| 19:36.07 | Daenyth | wow weird |
| 19:36.12 | Daenyth | and the interface looked so nice |
| 19:36.24 | Daenyth | someone should hack the lint ui onto mofi internals then :P |
| 19:36.31 | Zorkman | yes indeed |
| 19:38.00 | AntonTakk | jonquark: i had better sim compatability with qtopia, asu, and fso than 2007.2 |
| 19:38.38 | lindi- | AntonTakk: how can that make any difference? |
| 19:38.57 | AntonTakk | lindi-: dunno, but it did, guessing software bugs |
| 19:39.01 | lindi- | AntonTakk: if the chip returns cme error 13 it returns that no matter what you send there? |
| 19:40.09 | Zorkman | lindi-: with some images my sim would constantly register, or allow me to recieve calls but not make them, so it is possible to seemingly lose sim-fonctionality due to software |
| 19:40.29 | AntonTakk | lindi-: my experience was this: pre-asu from 7/15 worked wonderfully, 2007.2 couldn't even register, same sim |
| 19:40.36 | Dave | freerunner freerunner freerunnner |
| 19:40.46 | Dave | say it three times in front of a mirror and you will be BUGGED! |
| 19:40.55 | lindi- | AntonTakk: you should have logged the traffic to the gsm chip |
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| 19:44.31 | AntonTakk | lindi-: why? 2008.8 had been announced before i got my fr, i had no reason to futz with a for-the-moment abandoned software stack |
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| 19:46.36 | goodwill | my problem with spam is that every time I click they provide I get "not found" |
| 19:46.42 | goodwill | I mean for crying out loud |
| 19:46.45 | magicPee | so, how is it hanging at OpenMoko ? |
| 19:47.06 | goodwill | keeping the site running is fraud 101 |
| 19:47.33 | Dave | goodwill! :) |
| 19:47.42 | Zorkman | hunting!! |
| 19:47.49 | Dave | no |
| 19:47.57 | AntonTakk | twoards man! |
| 19:48.24 | goodwill | Dave: !!! |
| 19:48.40 | goodwill | how is it going? |
| 19:49.28 | Dave | Alright :)) |
| 19:49.35 | Dave | I miss your packages :p |
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| 19:54.51 | Daenyth | to install the matchbox keyboard do I have to remove the multitap one? |
| 19:55.11 | Daenyth | the guide on the wiki says to do so, but is it required |
| 19:55.27 | lindi- | AntonTakk: to learn |
| 19:56.03 | TeXitoi | hi, does FSO tell you when you have received a SMS? On debian, it do nothing... |
| 19:56.34 | Zorkman | TeXitoi: once you reach level 60 you will feel it deep withing yourself when your freerunner recieves an sms |
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| 19:56.50 | Daenyth | lol |
| 19:57.07 | Daenyth | so |
| 19:57.26 | Daenyth | do I have to remove the original keypad to install matchbox? |
| 19:58.01 | AntonTakk | TeXitoi: that is planned for milestone 3 |
| 19:58.07 | AntonTakk | i believe |
| 19:58.08 | Zorkman | Daenyth: I think the info is on the wiki, if i recall correctly: yes |
| 19:58.15 | Daenyth | hrm |
| 19:58.15 | Daenyth | ok |
| 19:58.58 | TeXitoi | AntonTakk: thanks |
| 19:59.31 | Daenyth | I'm trying to opkg update and I get |
| 19:59.33 | Daenyth | Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig, error 404 |
| 19:59.38 | AntonTakk | TeXitoi: trac.freesmartphone.org/roadmap - best way to keep track of it :) |
| 19:59.41 | Daenyth | I get that 5 times, for different urls |
| 19:59.49 | Zorkman | Daenyth: signatures are not yet implemented |
| 19:59.55 | Zorkman | ignore the error messages |
| 19:59.57 | Daenyth | Zorkman: how do I update then |
| 20:00.00 | Daenyth | oh it's updated? |
| 20:00.01 | Daenyth | ok] |
| 20:00.05 | Zorkman | yes :) |
| 20:00.08 | AntonTakk | Daenyth: i believe that is a known "problem" idnore it |
| 20:00.12 | AntonTakk | ignore* |
| 20:00.55 | TeXitoi | Daenyth: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards |
| 20:01.31 | Daenyth | TeXitoi: that's what I'm using |
| 20:02.13 | Daenyth | oh I see |
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| 20:05.27 | TeXitoi | AntonTakk: thanks, I bookmark that now :) |
| 20:07.18 | Daenyth | do I have to compile lint or is it in opkg? |
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| 20:12.02 | Daenyth | hmm |
| 20:12.14 | Daenyth | I try to start mofi, it crashes saying it can't import cairo |
| 20:12.24 | Daenyth | what package is that in (and why isn't it listed as a dependency) |
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| 20:13.38 | AntonTakk | Daenyth: opkg list | grep cairo is my solution |
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| 20:14.17 | Daenyth | maybe python-pycairo |
| 20:14.23 | Bill_ | btw.. does anyone know of any workaround to not regitering to gsm network with 2008.8 |
| 20:14.28 | KB | what do people here consider the most stable distro for everyday usage? i've found the qtopia so far to be alright |
| 20:14.30 | Daenyth | already installed... |
| 20:15.00 | KB | bill_, do you mean the sim card issue? |
| 20:15.07 | AntonTakk | Bill_: info on trac indicated that was fixed, trying today's daily now |
| 20:15.16 | Bill_ | don't |
| 20:15.19 | Bill_ | tried that before |
| 20:15.38 | Bill_ | registered to network but enlightenment is fcked up |
| 20:15.39 | AntonTakk | it's already flashing, it'll work, or it won't |
| 20:15.43 | tuXXX | KB: yes it's the one working the best for me too (calls, SMSs, music player...) |
| 20:15.56 | Bill_ | sigsegvs your ass to moon :) |
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| 20:16.22 | AntonTakk | tuXXX: i can never get the qtopia music player to stop playing thou |
| 20:16.31 | Bill_ | but testing doesn't have the fix yet, i see |
| 20:16.45 | jaj | does anybody know how you can turn of word suggestion on the Om 2008.8 keyboard |
| 20:16.48 | jaj | ? |
| 20:17.03 | Zorkman | jaj: look on the wiki |
| 20:17.08 | Zorkman | it's in the 2008.8 section |
| 20:17.14 | KB | tuXXX: i seem to have an issue with calls are very loud, though... is it just me or is it a setting or something? |
| 20:17.28 | Bill_ | KB: sim isn't a issue.. it registeres fine with older/qt images |
| 20:17.46 | Bill_ | it seems a bug in libgsm or somewhere around it in 2008.8 |
| 20:17.54 | tuXXX | KB: I didn't try with real calls, only voicemail and voice-account-management |
| 20:18.05 | jaj | Zorkman: I have read everything in the wiki about it and I couldn't find anything like that. do you need to install the illume keyboard? |
| 20:18.54 | tuXXX | KB: the output was on the read speaker and when I plugged headphones it didn't work anymore |
| 20:18.57 | tuXXX | *rear |
| 20:19.15 | KB | Bill_: i think i saw a bugreport on the 2008.8 not working with the gsm for some where the older worked.. i could see if i could find the bugreport in a sec |
| 20:20.24 | KB | tuXXX: i tried once plugging in the headset but it was still on speaker, so i panically gave up that in order to just talk to the person on the other end |
| 20:21.08 | tuXXX | well, it works with the music player |
| 20:21.38 | tuXXX | it'd be great if 4.4 could come anytime soon ^^ |
| 20:21.48 | KB | Bill_: here it is: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1790 |
| 20:23.07 | b0ef | any pointers on how to turn off the screensaver on zhone? |
| 20:23.15 | b0ef | and turn off the way it turns off the screen |
| 20:23.36 | AntonTakk | b0ef: for the moment....learn python |
| 20:23.56 | KB | is there a way to update qtopia? i seem to remember trying ipkg, but i don't think it was there |
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| 20:25.44 | white_gecko | where can i find the names of packages |
| 20:25.51 | white_gecko | i want to isntall pygtk |
| 20:25.56 | white_gecko | ne cairo |
| 20:26.15 | white_gecko | and ruby |
| 20:26.18 | b0ef | apt-cache search python|grep -i gtk;) |
| 20:26.23 | Bill_ | KB: iirc lorn provides tar's that you can just unpack to /opt/Qtopia |
| 20:26.29 | AntonTakk | Bill_: works like a charm here, registered and made a call :) |
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| 20:26.44 | Bill_ | hmmmh |
| 20:26.50 | Bill_ | todays build? |
| 20:26.51 | white_gecko | b0ef: apt? |
| 20:26.54 | AntonTakk | yep |
| 20:27.01 | AntonTakk | 8/24 |
| 20:27.04 | Bill_ | ahh.. i had zekes build.. |
| 20:27.15 | b0ef | white_gecko: you'd have to run debian, then.. |
| 20:27.19 | white_gecko | there is no apt |
| 20:27.22 | KB | Bill_: so no ipkg or apt-get yet for qtopia? is it on the way or should i just wait for 2008.8+1? |
| 20:27.25 | white_gecko | i have openmoko |
| 20:27.29 | b0ef | white_gecko: right, it's in the debian distro |
| 20:27.37 | Bill_ | KB: for full qtopia, nope |
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| 20:28.02 | Bill_ | AntonTakk: let me know in half an hour if it seems stable enough |
| 20:28.07 | white_gecko | and how do i get the packagenames for opkg? |
| 20:28.38 | AntonTakk | ok |
| 20:28.56 | KB | Bill_: alright thanks... it's good to know.. i was planning on going back to the OM distros again, but have a hard time since it's not so stable yet... |
| 20:29.04 | white_gecko | ah opkg list |
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| 20:29.18 | w_erase | Is Xserver driving suspend to RAM ? My freerunner goes sleep after 15sec when Xserver is running (FSO distro). When I stop xserver, no more suspend . |
| 20:30.41 | KB | Bill_: did you take a look at that bugreport? was it the same issue you had? |
| 20:30.52 | Daenyth | hmm |
| 20:30.58 | Daenyth | the dfu-util wiki page says |
| 20:31.04 | nomeata | w_erase: itâs actually zhone that runs "apm -s" |
| 20:31.08 | Daenyth | Ensure your phone is connected directly to the host computer by USB (not the USB-charger! :) |
| 20:31.15 | Bill_ | it was a duplicate of 1766 actually |
| 20:31.24 | Bill_ | but yes, the same |
| 20:31.34 | Daenyth | I don't get that, so I use the usb a<->b cable that came with it? |
| 20:32.22 | KB | Bill_: i didn't see if there was a solution or workaround, but at least it's worth it to subscribe to the rss |
| 20:32.37 | white_gecko | hm "python-pycairo" and "libcairo2" are up to date but i get the error "ImportError: No module named cairo" when i run pyPenNotes.py |
| 20:32.56 | Bill_ | yup, seems so |
| 20:33.07 | Bill_ | but as AntonTakk said.. it seems fixed in daily |
| 20:33.40 | CM | http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/24/1739200 |
| 20:37.28 | Ark1 | so where are the american companies |
| 20:37.30 | Ark1 | ? |
| 20:37.49 | tuXXX | in america? |
| 20:38.00 | tuXXX | (just guessing) |
| 20:38.52 | ike | People. Do you have crappy WiFi under Om2007.02 and Om2008.08? Like it hangs up after a while etc... |
| 20:40.20 | Bill_ | nope.. worked just fine for me in 2007.2.. havent tried in 2008.8 |
| 20:40.36 | KB | ike: i had a reliable connection in 2008.8 for a while where i ssh'ed into it... but i didn't do much and it didn't sit for too long to really say other than it just didn't cut off this one time for a couple of hours doing almost nothing |
| 20:40.40 | Zorkman | ike: works in 2007.2, but high latency |
| 20:40.55 | Zorkman | (can't compare with 2008.8, just have my AP) |
| 20:41.23 | ike | KB, Zorkman: thanks. |
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| 20:41.55 | Ark1 | tuXXX: http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/24/1739200 <- READ |
| 20:42.06 | ike | Don't know if it's my fault but I am able to connect sometimes and it works. Sometimes I am unable to connect at all. And sometimes it connects to AP but it hangs after a while. |
| 20:42.15 | ike | And AP is like 30cm away from the Freerunner. |
| 20:42.24 | ike | What a crap. I'll test it with Debian later. |
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| 20:43.31 | Bill_ | ike.. mine worked without hickups.. quite many evenings.. |
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| 20:43.35 | Wonka | 30cm is not much. that can cause problems even with normal computers. |
| 20:43.36 | Bill_ | and all that with wpa2-aes.. |
| 20:43.44 | KB | ike: things like microwave ovens can actually have a noticable difference in wifi if it's running and close to the setup and the wifi is set on certain channels... maybe it could be something like that? |
| 20:44.02 | lindi- | ike: only kernel should affect that |
| 20:44.24 | lindi- | ike: i don't see why testing completely different distros would help :/ |
| 20:45.03 | ike | lindi: i hope it's driver's or udhcp's fault. |
| 20:45.45 | ike | Or I f*cked something up. |
| 20:46.17 | lambda | hi folks |
| 20:47.35 | KB | ike: it seems people here at least haven't experienced the same issues... so i think i'd say try it on a different wifi-network in a different location, to see if it's the network or interference or something... |
| 20:48.02 | ike | KB: will do. ;-) |
| 20:48.19 | ike | However I have some friends here who also encountered such problem. |
| 20:48.27 | ike | (with theirs Freerunners) |
| 20:49.01 | ike | As the topic says - it's not a stable or usable phone ;P |
| 20:49.32 | KB | ike: hmm... might not be just you then... |
| 20:49.52 | KB | well some parts can be quite stable :) |
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| 20:51.52 | flexd | Could i borrow some linux-god in here for a small linux issue? :) (even though this isnt the place i guess) |
| 20:52.12 | flexd | Stupid wireless wont work, i guess i could almost call it a openmoko issue as i have the exact same issue with WPA on my phone as my laptop :P |
| 20:52.23 | KB | flexd: how small an issue? :) |
| 20:52.31 | ike | Well. It works sometimes very well. However if i'll do "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0;" it might doesn't connect at all. Or maybe it's udhcpc's fault since iwconfig eth0 shows correct network. |
| 20:52.37 | ike | too many options. |
| 20:52.44 | b0ef | I'm supposed to file bugs on zhone on the openmoko trac? |
| 20:52.46 | flexd | KB: Not being able to get on a WPA protected network |
| 20:53.02 | flexd | I know hostap *should* support WPA, i know the card should, yet, it's not doing anything :P |
| 20:53.08 | tuXXX | flexd: you have to use wpa_supplicant |
| 20:53.11 | flexd | i am |
| 20:53.16 | flexd | http://doombox.org/log.txt |
| 20:53.19 | flexd | There's the output |
| 20:53.34 | flexd | it says the driver doesnt support WPA |
| 20:53.40 | flexd | but.. hostap does support WPA :/ |
| 20:54.05 | flexd | But, in ifconfig i have two interfaces, wifi0 and wlan0, but only one card |
| 20:54.10 | flexd | Which leads me to believe two drivers are installed. |
| 20:54.20 | tuXXX | why are you using the "hostap" driver? |
| 20:54.22 | flexd | Even though orinoco drivers are in the modprobe blacklist |
| 20:54.35 | flexd | Isn't hostap the right driver for prism2.5 chipsets? |
| 20:54.50 | flexd | It was either that or orinoco, and i was told orinoco does not support WPA |
| 20:55.06 | flexd | (im not talking about on the phone now, on my laptop, incase you were wondering) |
| 20:55.20 | tuXXX | which driver are you using exactly? |
| 20:55.29 | Wonka | hostap is exactly the right driver for prism2.5 |
| 20:55.29 | KB | ike: is there a pattern in how long you can stay connected or can you sometimes be connected for longer periods than at other times? |
| 20:55.59 | flexd | tuXXX: I am using hostap. Which is included in the kernel since 2.6.14 |
| 20:56.11 | tuXXX | hmm I see |
| 20:56.38 | flexd | It's a fresh ubuntu install |
| 20:56.55 | flexd | I'm not sure what i did now though, but atm lshw -class network seems to show it as disabled. |
| 20:57.09 | flexd | But it says configuration: driver=hostap, so it should be active :/ |
| 20:57.24 | ike | KB: not really. |
| 20:57.51 | ike | KB: well there is one thing though. Usually freshly booted Freerunner is able to connect to AP and aquire IP address. |
| 20:58.04 | Bill_ | AntonTakk: how does the daily build feel? worth the try? |
| 20:58.06 | lambda | hi folks |
| 20:58.10 | flexd | tuXXX: I do have it connected by cable, so it's possible to ssh into. |
| 20:58.13 | Wonka | roh: anything about the 3G SIM issue? |
| 20:58.19 | lambda | please where finding FSo feeds repository ? |
| 20:58.21 | flexd | although several people keep telling me its very unwise to give other people access :p |
| 20:58.39 | lambda | i try http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/om-gta02/ |
| 20:58.58 | lambda | it causes a segmentation fault when attempting to opkg upgrade |
| 20:59.34 | b0ef | is there some info on the rationale to develop a new package system, like opkg? |
| 20:59.44 | tuXXX | flexd: I never used any prism hardware, so I can't say why it's not working, did you try the orinoco driver? |
| 20:59.49 | Wonka | b0ef: ipkg was unmaintained and buggy |
| 20:59.53 | lambda | no idea? |
| 21:00.04 | flexd | tuXXX: No, i am actually not sure how to enable/install it |
| 21:00.08 | flexd | I'm quite new with linux stuff |
| 21:00.12 | b0ef | Wonka: right, but why not use dpkg? |
| 21:00.26 | Wonka | b0ef: too big for embedded? |
| 21:00.38 | Wonka | b0ef: anyway, it's a fork of ipkg |
| 21:00.44 | KB | ike: that does indicate it might be a dhcp thing then... if the first connect goes fine, then it might have trouble reconnecting because it stores you as already connected... i'm not sure at all, but it could be something along those lines |
| 21:00.53 | b0ef | Wonka: surely, it's not too big;) |
| 21:01.18 | b0ef | who ever wanted to use ipkg in the first place?!?!;) |
| 21:01.39 | ike | KB: I hope that it's a software related issue. However it's kinda hard for me to make it repeatable. |
| 21:01.42 | ike | Stupid ephemerals. |
| 21:01.42 | Wonka | those who developed it? |
| 21:02.01 | b0ef | right, so I'm looking for the rationale, cause it seems so absurd;) |
| 21:02.05 | tuXXX | flexd: if it's already installed, just remove the hostap driver and load the orinoco driver (with resp. modprobe -r and modprobe) |
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| 21:03.23 | KB | ike: well you can always try another distro from an SD card and see if that helps... it doesn't hurt to try... |
| 21:03.40 | flexd | uhm, how do i remove if its installed? |
| 21:03.44 | flexd | in use* |
| 21:04.14 | tuXXX | with modprobe, it'll handle everything |
| 21:04.38 | tuXXX | (rmmod works too of course) |
| 21:04.47 | flexd | sudo mobprobe -r hostap complains it is in use |
| 21:05.25 | tuXXX | well, try ifconfig <device> down |
| 21:06.07 | flexd | done that, on both interfaces, still it complains :/ |
| 21:06.09 | ike | KB: I will. |
| 21:06.21 | ike | But now - sleep. Good bye people. |
| 21:06.39 | tuXXX | flexd: oh, run lsmod and see which module is using the one you try to remove |
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| 21:07.47 | KB | ike: but since you have several freerunners and several wifi-networks available, i guess you can just do basic elimination... find something that works, so change the setup as much as possible and then go back... it's probably the easiest, when there's no obvious reason for the problem... |
| 21:08.29 | flexd | tuXXX: hostap_pci was, so i removed that too |
| 21:08.54 | flexd | seems orinoco is working now |
| 21:08.55 | flexd | but |
| 21:09.01 | flexd | i have no interface atm :) |
| 21:09.05 | rooly|away | ... |
| 21:09.06 | rooly|away | twice now |
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| 21:09.23 | rooly|away | i've run the battery down all the way |
| 21:09.24 | tuXXX | flexd: so maybe the hostap driver was really the good one ^^' |
| 21:09.42 | flexd | yea.. :p |
| 21:09.48 | tuXXX | if you don't see anything in iwconfig... |
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| 21:11.41 | zogg_ | openmoko @ http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/24/1739200 |
| 21:12.27 | flexd | nothing in iwconfig here. |
| 21:12.47 | Wonka | b0ef: opkg is 155kB uncompressed, including libopkg. the dpkg debian package file is 2MB, and it has dependencies. and dpkg cannot even download stuff by itself. |
| 21:12.53 | Wonka | b0ef: any further questions? |
| 21:13.48 | b0ef | Wonka: I don't think space is of any concern |
| 21:13.54 | flexd | hmm, now its gone :/' |
| 21:13.55 | Wonka | b0ef: I do. |
| 21:14.09 | b0ef | a 8Gio SSD costs like a soda pop |
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| 21:14.35 | viq | Does GTA02 support those? |
| 21:14.41 | Wonka | b0ef: 256MB is not much. a very small debian installation is 100MB. that's without anything graphical. |
| 21:14.58 | Wonka | viq: i have an 8GB microSDHC in mine, it works. |
| 21:15.20 | Wonka | b0ef: my rootfs on my notebook has 15GB used. |
| 21:15.22 | b0ef | Wonka: well, why would you want to install it on internal memory? |
| 21:15.39 | Wonka | b0ef: what's the internal flash for, then? |
| 21:15.52 | b0ef | Wonka: why use it?; it's crap;) |
| 21:16.03 | b0ef | is it any faster? |
| 21:16.08 | KB | b0ef, wonka: i agree with wonka... space is a concern... as is the speed of the programs... |
| 21:16.22 | viq | Wonka: cool, thanks |
| 21:16.47 | b0ef | KB: well, it's not like you take out the sd card too often, so why not have a 8Gio chip in there, for like a handful of lollipops? |
| 21:16.52 | viq | Is there any VPN for FreeRunner? |
| 21:17.12 | Wonka | b0ef: the microsdhc is accessed through the glamo chip. the 256mb internal flash is in the same package as the processor. guess which one is faster... |
| 21:17.31 | Wonka | viq: vpnc is there. haven't seen openvpn yet. |
| 21:17.41 | b0ef | Wonka: right, that's why I asked; you've measured it? |
| 21:17.58 | viq | Hm. OpenVPN or something talking IPSec would be nice. |
| 21:18.03 | b0ef | latency and throughput |
| 21:18.05 | Wonka | b0ef: no. but i know my microsdhc is a clas 4. so it won't do much about 4mbit/s |
| 21:18.16 | KB | b0ef: sure, you can make a beefed up distro for people that wanna pop in a good SD card, but not alot of people actually do that... besides, i bet opkg is more optimized and faster so it'll run better on something like the 400 mhz freerunner |
| 21:18.44 | Wonka | viq: search at the armstrong repos. i've read their stuff should be compatible somehow. |
| 21:18.49 | flexd | tuXXX: But why hostap doesnt work with WPA? |
| 21:18.51 | flexd | I dont know :p |
| 21:19.06 | Wonka | flexd: it did work or me and my PCI prism2.5 |
| 21:19.18 | Wonka | flexd: tried looking and config options? |
| 21:19.21 | Wonka | at, even |
| 21:19.24 | viq | Wonka: thanks |
| 21:19.34 | flexd | Wonka: not much, im a bit new at this, not sure what im supposed to do :p |
| 21:19.52 | flexd | I do have a cisco 350 pcmcia card though, i could try using that instead, but there's no interfaces showing up there either :/ |
| 21:19.55 | Wonka | OH |
| 21:20.04 | Wonka | viq: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/openvpn_2.0.9-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 21:20.46 | Wonka | *install* |
| 21:21.30 | Wonka | just seen that... |
| 21:21.40 | viq | Wonka: oh, so it is there, cool. I think I am getting real tempted to get that phone ;) |
| 21:22.21 | Wonka | yeah... |
| 21:24.03 | Wonka | hrm. but no more vpnc. :( |
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| 21:24.11 | Wonka | just not there. |
| 21:24.20 | Wonka | no wireless at univerity then, i fear. |
| 21:24.31 | Wonka | not without notebook at least. |
| 21:25.27 | Ark1 | is there any development on a om browser? a la iphone |
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| 21:25.40 | Bruno_Kante_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/3573230/ |
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| 21:26.15 | Wonka | piss off, Bruno |
| 21:26.27 | Ark1 | i cant read it |
| 21:26.30 | Ark1 | german |
| 21:27.03 | lambda | very crappy issue |
| 21:27.13 | Ark1 | ? |
| 21:27.20 | lambda | my microSD card empties itself |
| 21:27.56 | lambda | the thrre partitions i created yesterday, vanished ! |
| 21:28.57 | lambda | have you heard of bug of this kind? |
| 21:29.06 | tuXXX | yes |
| 21:29.10 | Zorkman | yes |
| 21:29.33 | lambda | an url please ? |
| 21:29.41 | tuXXX | seems to be a recurrent bug, occuring for example on the olpc too |
| 21:29.59 | Wonka | happened to me too, several times |
| 21:30.14 | Wonka | i heard it was traced to some kernel bug... but don't ask me where |
| 21:32.39 | Ark1 | kernel panic |
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| 21:34.50 | Wonka | b0ef: reads of 64MB from internal flash and from microsdhc with dd (of=/dev/null) are about the same time |
| 21:35.24 | Wonka | b0ef: only conclusion i will draw from that is that neither is awfully slow |
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| 21:38.29 | b0ef | Wonka: you've tried hdparm on it? |
| 21:38.43 | sirkha_top | top story of slashdot |
| 21:38.52 | sirkha_top | err |
| 21:38.55 | sirkha_top | newest story |
| 21:39.11 | Wonka | b0ef: no. hdparm is IDE stuff. |
| 21:39.37 | Wonka | b0ef: internal flash is MTD, external is mmcblk... no sense to even look at hdparm. |
| 21:40.13 | b0ef | Wonka: right, but it will measure it, regardless of whether it's an IDE drive |
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| 21:42.35 | flexd | Wonka: What kind of options? |
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| 21:43.20 | Wonka | b0ef: oh, -tT? doing that now... |
| 21:43.33 | b0ef | yes |
| 21:44.00 | b0ef | it doesn't measure speed, though |
| 21:44.02 | b0ef | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.11 | b0ef | only capacity |
| 21:45.10 | Wonka | flexd: mh. don't see any that should influence WPA... |
| 21:45.21 | Wonka | flexd: what firmware version is on your card? |
| 21:45.40 | Wonka | /dev/mmcblk1p1: |
| 21:45.40 | Wonka | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.48 | Wonka | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.49 | flexd | how can i see? |
| 21:45.59 | Wonka | /dev/mtdblock6: |
| 21:45.59 | Wonka | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.04 | Wonka | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.08 | flexd | im not using a card atm |
| 21:46.13 | flexd | its internal in a laptop |
| 21:46.18 | Wonka | flexd: dmesg output of hostap |
| 21:46.27 | Wonka | flexd: it's a minipci card then ;) |
| 21:46.47 | flexd | yea |
| 21:46.55 | flexd | or some sort of pcmcia-minibus thing |
| 21:47.04 | flexd | weird laptop :p |
| 21:48.46 | flexd | it says wifi0: Intersil Prism2.5 PCI |
| 21:48.51 | flexd | then wifi= registerd netdevice wifi0 |
| 21:48.55 | Dave | woot |
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| 21:50.01 | Wonka | why does this "events/0" always use more than 20% of cpu time? |
| 21:50.19 | flexd | isnt that the accelerometer or something? |
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| 21:50.32 | Wonka | (am running top via ssh via wlan) |
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| 21:51.57 | Dave | lollerneod |
| 21:52.14 | Wonka | neod stinks |
| 21:52.23 | Wonka | if it was at least written in python... |
| 21:52.39 | Wonka | i want a power setting "dim, don't lock, don't suspend" |
| 21:53.09 | Wonka | the current "don't lock" is wrongly named... should be "don't suspend" |
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| 22:03.18 | Ark1 | is there a even a way to password protect om on startup? |
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| 22:20.02 | slaxxin | scp riseanshine.wav root@192.158.0.202:/media/card |
| 22:20.17 | slaxxin | what is wrong with that? |
| 22:20.30 | tuXXX | 158 |
| 22:20.38 | tuXXX | should be 168 |
| 22:20.48 | slaxxin | ookk |
| 22:21.17 | lambda | i notice there's no /var/log/dmesg on the OS |
| 22:21.40 | lambda | how seeing the log when shutting it down? |
| 22:23.20 | flexd | Hmm, is there a point in trying ndiswrapper? Or is that totally outdated? |
| 22:23.49 | flexd | Wonka/tuXXX |
| 22:23.52 | zash | isnt that for running windows drivers .. ? |
| 22:24.04 | flexd | it is |
| 22:24.12 | Wonka | i won't touch it. |
| 22:24.13 | zash | and you want to run it where? |
| 22:24.15 | flexd | Which is a horrible way to do it (talking about my problem earlier) |
| 22:24.20 | flexd | zash: on my laptop |
| 22:24.22 | zash | ah |
| 22:24.30 | flexd | as im struggeling with WPA support for a prism2.5 card |
| 22:24.31 | Wonka | slaxxin: try scp riseanshine.wav root@192.158.0.202:/media/card/ |
| 22:24.42 | Wonka | slaxxin: /media/card does already exist. |
| 22:24.46 | flexd | Wonka: it's not 192.158, its 192.168. |
| 22:25.14 | flexd | but bbl, gotta sleep, school tomorrow :| |
| 22:25.23 | Wonka | flexd: that too. but i only copypasted that from his question ;) |
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| 22:32.57 | bmidgley | which image/distro/build system should I use to do gps app development? |
| 22:33.04 | bmidgley | should I stay away from gpsd? |
| 22:37.35 | bmidgley | maybe gypsy isn't ready |
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| 22:59.33 | rooly|away | has anyone been succesful in connecting to a bluetooth headset? |
| 23:04.11 | rooly|away | so nobody |
| 23:04.16 | rooly|away | has anyone tried it? |
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| 23:05.21 | rooly|away | oy vey |
| 23:05.37 | rooly|away | can't write a bluetooth headset app if he can't get bluetooth working, now can he |
| 23:06.01 | Ark1 | or can u.... |
| 23:06.26 | rooly|away | for some reason, it's rejecting the pin i send it |
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| 23:07.58 | rooly|away | any ideas, raster? |
| 23:08.17 | raster | idea 1: pants on |
| 23:08.23 | rooly|away | 's a good idea |
| 23:08.31 | raster | idea 2: get jiggy |
| 23:08.39 | rooly|away | but i was leaning more towards the "why does my bluetooth headset refuse the connection" |
| 23:09.07 | raster | nfi |
| 23:09.13 | rooly|away | yeah.... |
| 23:09.23 | rooly|away | it seems to refuse the pin for some reason |
| 23:09.24 | raster | i dont even have such a contraption - nor have i ever used one |
| 23:09.37 | rooly|away | but you know how those smartphone users are |
| 23:09.41 | rooly|away | must have their bluetooth headset |
| 23:10.53 | Wonka | passkey-agent -default... |
| 23:12.01 | raster | no idea |
| 23:12.22 | raster | this whole bluetooth headset thing popped up while i lived in japan - which has until recently remained pretty bluetooth-free |
| 23:12.39 | rooly|away | yeah, but they don't drive alot in japan |
| 23:12.48 | rooly|away | not much need for a hands-free device |
| 23:13.16 | raster | actually its pretty much rude to speak on the phone in a train - or a car too |
| 23:13.17 | raster | and yes |
| 23:13.20 | raster | less driving |
| 23:13.28 | rooly|away | then there's that, yeah |
| 23:13.31 | rooly|away | sighs |
| 23:13.35 | rooly|away | wuhtuhfuh |
| 23:13.46 | raster | also bluetooth allows data transfer ofo your phone... withouy paying the telco! |
| 23:13.54 | raster | the .jp telco's can't have that! |
| 23:13.59 | rooly|away | lol |
| 23:14.00 | raster | you want your photos.. email them to yourself@! |
| 23:14.03 | rooly|away | wifi too |
| 23:14.08 | raster | yup |
| 23:14.16 | rooly|away | a cable connection |
| 23:14.22 | rooly|away | a debug board |
| 23:14.24 | rooly|away | ... |
| 23:14.29 | rooly|away | sighs again |
| 23:19.36 | rooly|away | screams |
| 23:28.40 | Dave | heh |
| 23:28.47 | Dave | Raster! |
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| 23:33.27 | rooly|away | dave |
| 23:33.28 | rooly|away | wtf |
| 23:33.32 | rooly|away | why won't it connect |
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| 23:43.39 | slaxxin | scp step root@192.168.0.202:/media/card/musicc |
| 23:43.39 | slaxxin | root@192.168.0.202's password: |
| 23:43.39 | slaxxin | step: not a regular file |
| 23:43.48 | Dave | What are you talking about? |
| 23:43.54 | Dave | huuhuu |
| 23:44.01 | slaxxin | why will that folder "step" not copy to the sdcard? |
| 23:45.08 | slaxxin | not a regular file wth is that |
| 23:45.20 | slaxxin | ima noob |
| 23:45.36 | rooly|away | slaxxin, |
| 23:45.40 | slaxxin | ya |
| 23:45.56 | rooly|away | scp -r step root@192.168.0.202:/media/card/music/ |
| 23:46.05 | slaxxin | ok |
| 23:46.10 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.10 | rooly|away | (-r means "recursive) |
| 23:48.11 | slaxxin | recursive is/ |
| 23:48.37 | rooly|away | it looks in subfiles and folders |
| 23:48.48 | slaxxin | ok |
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| 23:51.59 | slaxxin | best to use mp3 on sdcard/ |
| 23:52.02 | slaxxin | ? |
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| 23:52.51 | rooly|away | mp3 or ogg |
| 23:52.57 | rooly|away | i've found those to work |
| 23:53.01 | slaxxin | ok |
| 23:53.36 | slaxxin | i got some .wav right now |
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| 23:56.28 | rooly|away | .wav would work as well |
| 23:56.34 | slaxxin | John Kay & Steppenwolf - 08 - Rock'n Roll War.wav 100% 72MB 155.7KB/s 07:5 |
| 23:56.44 | slaxxin | its huge |
| 23:56.53 | rooly|away | jesus man |