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| 00:00.52 | Flinx | if I power on my phone it seems to hang, but if I boot into NAND it pops up just fine. |
| 00:00.54 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 00:01.04 | Flinx | what did I do wrong >.> |
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| 00:11.52 | kd8ikt | have you booted into NAND ad then select the first boot option? |
| 00:13.55 | Flinx | yes |
| 00:14.22 | Flinx | I think the problem is that i configured the uboot for debian on SD >.< |
| 00:14.36 | Flinx | so now I have to boot into NAND then choose Boot From flash |
| 00:15.56 | Flinx | so.. I just need to undo those changes and I think I'll be okay. |
| 00:17.41 | kd8ikt | oh then i dont aprove of their way of hijacking the main boot |
| 00:18.11 | kd8ikt | they should've made it add a menu item at the ass end of the loader |
| 00:18.35 | kd8ikt | good job "official" debian guys |
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| 00:20.10 | kd8ikt | or atleast make a more detailed uboot editing option like it absolutely wont touch the uboot unless you give it some heavy duty options like ./installer.sh uboot --menu default or menuitem# |
| 00:21.35 | Flinx | http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/391456/ -- this is the config.sh I used. |
| 00:21.49 | Flinx | it was an optional thing |
| 00:22.34 | kd8ikt | why would you make default boot SD? |
| 00:23.03 | Flinx | cause I liked the debian stuff for a while. |
| 00:23.18 | Flinx | and yeah I know I shouldn't a done it.. |
| 00:26.14 | mmontour | I've had my default boot as SD for months now - it's where I keep my main filesystem, while the NAND is scratch space for trying out other distributions. |
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| 00:27.15 | Flinx | heh... |
| 00:27.27 | Flinx | is there a way to re-write the NAND config to the way it was before? |
| 00:28.35 | Flinx | I tried re-flashing it, but it looks like the old changes were still there. |
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| 00:28.50 | mmontour | You can boot into NOR and do a "printenv", then boot into NAND and type in the entries you need with "setenv". Probably just 'bootcmd' needs to be changed. |
| 00:29.10 | slaxxin | is there an update to 2008.8? |
| 00:29.35 | slaxxin | that works? |
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| 00:30.37 | slaxxin | flinx is your debian stable? |
| 00:30.45 | slaxxin | on cd |
| 00:31.20 | Flinx | slaxxin, I played with it for a few days, and re-formatted the SD card. it wasnt bad. |
| 00:31.58 | Flinx | slaxxin, this mornign though I tried picking up a call, and after I unlocked it the keys didn't respond. |
| 00:32.17 | Flinx | can someone help me debug a usb networking issue? >.< |
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| 00:32.35 | Flinx | before I re-flashed my OM2008.8 everything was working fine with hotplugging. |
| 00:32.43 | Flinx | I'm sure its some silly thing that I'm forgetting |
| 00:38.34 | LuYu | is anyone using debian off an SD card? |
| 00:41.42 | Sargun_screen | LuYu: me am |
| 00:43.09 | LuYu | i was trying to get it working |
| 00:43.20 | LuYu | but they just changed the instructions |
| 00:43.30 | LuYu | did you use the new method or the old one? |
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| 00:48.06 | LuYu | does debian need a separate boot partition like the others, or can you put it all in one partition? |
| 00:48.15 | Flinx | mmontour, if I re-flash the NAND shouldn't that set me back to the original configuration? |
| 00:48.39 | mmontour | no, the environment variables are in their own "u-boot_env" partition. |
| 00:49.13 | mmontour | you could re-flash that if you had a backup, and if that backup wasn't corrupted by the "dfu-util -U" bug |
| 00:49.29 | Flinx | *nods* |
| 00:50.15 | Flinx | The script should have made a backup, but its at the PC at work >.< |
| 00:50.26 | Flinx | is there a way to reconfigure manually? |
| 00:51.04 | mmontour | "setenv" from the u-boot console |
| 00:51.14 | Flinx | ah |
| 00:51.36 | mmontour | there are other options like "devirginator", "envedit.pl", but I can't help you with details |
| 00:51.55 | Flinx | do I do the setenv from NAND? |
| 00:52.02 | mmontour | yes |
| 00:52.22 | Flinx | so.. dfu-util setenv? |
| 00:52.55 | mmontour | no, boot into the u-boot menu, connect a terminal to /dev/ttyACM0, then enter commands into the u-boot console. See "Bootloader Environment" wiki page for more info |
| 00:53.45 | Flinx | Okay thanks :D |
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| 00:59.37 | Dave | Good evening, Mmontour :) |
| 00:59.37 | Flinx | yeah I'll have to wait until monday, cause I can't get it to connect to the environment. |
| 01:00.04 | mmontour | Hi Dave. How are the Freerunners? |
| 01:01.28 | Dave | Montour, alright, though I can't say the same for development progress :) |
| 01:01.41 | Dave | I'm still experiencing difficulty building modules for it. |
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| 01:03.37 | mmontour | can't help you there. I've also got messed-up kernel modules at the moment (and I haven't quite managed to build a working fso-image yet) |
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| 01:04.08 | Flinx | sigh... I'm getting a network is unreachable once i SSH into the FR. |
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| 01:04.31 | Dave | :\ |
| 01:05.09 | Flinx | Dave.. your smart Fix it :p |
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| 01:05.48 | Flinx | I've got hotplugging set up on my Debian which uses a 192.168.3.x network |
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| 01:06.06 | Flinx | and I think I did everything for setting up networking in the OM2008.8 |
| 01:06.22 | Dave | Flinx :P |
| 01:06.36 | Dave | True, but I don't really want to bother -- why won't the OM devs fix it for me sooner? :P |
| 01:06.44 | Dave | So I can actually finish my work :D |
| 01:07.23 | Flinx | moo? |
| 01:07.42 | Dave | sends Flinx SIGMOO2 |
| 01:10.20 | Flinx | no idea what SIGMOO2 is |
| 01:10.26 | Flinx | google brigns up nothin |
| 01:10.27 | Dave | :[ |
| 01:10.31 | Dave | Bah. |
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| 01:17.04 | deever | what do FSO and ASU mean? |
| 01:17.31 | mikef187 | ASU= april/August Software update |
| 01:17.38 | mikef187 | I forget fso |
| 01:20.16 | deever | ah, but as i can imageine, it's the most recent/untested version, isn't it? |
| 01:20.39 | pjz | FSO=FreeSmartphone.Org |
| 01:21.21 | deever | what's the difference between the openmoko.org and the freesmartphone.org build? |
| 01:22.39 | Flinx | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Features_by_distribution.2Frelease_target |
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| 01:28.37 | deever | what does "Finger friendly: No" mean with Debian? |
| 01:29.39 | DerHorst | o_O |
| 01:29.44 | mikef187 | hehehhe |
| 01:29.46 | DerHorst | Pull out your fingers there |
| 01:30.23 | deever | ? |
| 01:30.42 | deever | doesn't it support the touch screen or what? |
| 01:31.50 | mmontour | probably means that you need to use a stylus |
| 01:32.44 | deever | ah, ok |
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| 01:33.05 | deever | and what is the entry "middleware" about? |
| 01:33.08 | slaxxin | nicro keyboard is the word |
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| 01:34.09 | slaxxin | so about the upgrades to 2008.8 are they ok? |
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| 01:34.33 | deever | but when you can use qtopia under debian, where is the difference between the keyboard? |
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| 01:36.07 | slaxxin | fso is sleek an eyecandy rich where openmoko is lets say square |
| 01:37.02 | slaxxin | fso has pencil eraser size touch pads |
| 01:38.04 | slaxxin | 2008.8 has a slow cumbersome keyboard that imho is weaker than the keyboard on 2007.2 |
| 01:40.23 | slaxxin | what filesystem should the sdcard be for just storage of files an music? |
| 01:41.24 | Wonka | the keyboard of 2008.8 was at least adjustable to full qwerty, while that multitap-pad is absolutely awful |
| 01:41.30 | Wonka | slaxxin: ext2 |
| 01:41.39 | Wonka | slaxxin: or maybe vfat |
| 01:41.40 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.49 | slaxxin | i guess thats right |
| 01:41.54 | Wonka | slaxxin: but nothing with a journal, that hurts the flash |
| 01:42.46 | ieatlint | vfat is generally used for such things because you don't need the advantages ext2 offers, and vfat is a universal format that can be read on every OS |
| 01:43.08 | ieatlint | unless you do need to restrict permissions on songs... |
| 01:44.40 | Wonka | symlinks might be useful |
| 01:45.16 | Wonka | the "umsdos" stuff has died, nor? |
| 01:45.46 | Wonka | anyway, i'm going to sleep |
| 01:46.06 | ieatlint | symlinks are a myth |
| 01:47.06 | deever | but when you can use qtopia under debian, where is the difference between the keyboard? |
| 01:49.06 | mikef187 | how can I see qtopia on my ubutu desktop to just see? |
| 01:50.06 | lpotter | qtopia doesnt care which distribution its running on. it'll be the same, since its all one blob |
| 01:53.09 | mikef187 | I see the qt3-dev-tools-embedded package in synaptic, will that get me what |
| 01:53.11 | deever | lpotter: ok |
| 01:53.13 | mikef187 | I want |
| 01:54.02 | deever | lol...where can i get this frogpad? :) |
| 01:54.21 | deever | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Frogpad |
| 01:55.16 | mikef187 | can't you use a full sizr USB keyboard? |
| 01:55.43 | ieatlint | http://frogpad.com/ |
| 01:56.02 | ieatlint | mikef187, can you fit a full size keyboard in a small bag or larger pocket? |
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| 01:56.21 | mikef187 | no no I know, bu |
| 01:56.27 | ieatlint | it's expensive though... $150 for a wired version i think |
| 01:56.28 | mikef187 | It could be done right? |
| 01:56.29 | pjz | I was thinking I'd like a folding usb kbd |
| 01:56.47 | pjz | I've got a folding bt one, but thinking about ssh passwords using it makes me a little nervous :) |
| 01:57.16 | ieatlint | oh no, $150 for BT, $130 for wired |
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| 01:57.40 | ieatlint | mikef187, any usb device for which linux has support will work |
| 01:58.00 | mikef187 | OUT Freaking standing |
| 01:58.01 | ieatlint | pjz, hehe, indeed |
| 01:58.55 | ieatlint | mikef187, note that it'll eat the battery quickly, and that while the drivers are present, it may not be able to use the device (eg, a video capture device won't work well or at all on a 400mhz computer with 128mb ram) |
| 01:59.46 | mikef187 | I see you will run into performance problems |
| 02:00.26 | mikef187 | Now.. I saw a screenshot with GIMP of all things running ... now I don't plan to do any image editing but I may want to run evolution or openoffice |
| 02:00.36 | mikef187 | would that but out of the question? |
| 02:01.02 | ieatlint | they'd run, as to how slow or usable they'd be... i dunno |
| 02:01.06 | ieatlint | very, i would guess |
| 02:01.32 | mikef187 | right I would guess .... PDF viewing... etc.. |
| 02:01.48 | ieatlint | pdf viewing isn't too bad |
| 02:02.12 | ieatlint | loading a 4mb graphical pdf takes me about 30-45s, but once loaded, i can browse the pdf fluidly |
| 02:02.40 | ace_ | pjz: actually sniffing bluetooth without having seen the pairing sequence is afaik not possible right now |
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| 02:03.14 | mikef187 | ieatlint: Not Bad ... |
| 02:03.31 | mikef187 | I have a Blackberry and opening/editing docs is quite painful |
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| 02:04.31 | deever | anyone using it here? |
| 02:04.38 | deever | the frogpad i mean |
| 02:06.49 | ieatlint | i'm just not willing to invest $150 in a keyboard that i could simply hate (and that only works with one hand) |
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| 02:13.05 | Flinx | is there anyone skilled with the u-boot environment here? |
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| 02:17.28 | Flinx | easier question |
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| 02:19.33 | deever | can i use mokomakefile to build a debian system? |
| 02:20.38 | SpeedEvil | Bop. |
| 02:20.40 | SpeedEvil | No |
| 02:22.34 | Flinx | Hello SpeedEvil :D |
| 02:22.37 | Sargun | nope. |
| 02:23.03 | Sargun | can I put my wireless card into monitor mode |
| 02:27.02 | mwester_ | You can try, but if you mean the one in the freerunner, I don't think it works in promisc. mode. |
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| 02:29.53 | Flinx | etc |
| 02:32.50 | kd8ikt | ieatlint: talkin about the frog pad? |
| 02:32.58 | mikef187 | Promiscuous MODE Wherever you are I'm all alone And it's you that I want |
| 02:34.04 | kd8ikt | ieatlint: did iHerald tell you i nixed my gentoo box in favor of debian lenny and dropped apache cause i love your lighthttp |
| 02:34.12 | deever | is there a browser for qtopia? |
| 02:34.30 | deever | or would it be better to switch to debian anyway? |
| 02:35.50 | kd8ikt | i mean for my webserver not the phone |
| 02:36.17 | kd8ikt | deever: |
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| 02:38.10 | deever | kd8ikt: ? |
| 02:38.35 | kd8ikt | nothin |
| 02:39.04 | kd8ikt | most browsers on the moko are a bit lacking currently |
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| 02:39.44 | kd8ikt | liek almost half the size of the screen i guess debian for the moko might be fun to toy with |
| 02:40.46 | kd8ikt | nomatter what you'll need a stylus i if only we made a better keyboard that tookup the hole screen and was finger hackable |
| 02:41.00 | kd8ikt | whole screen* |
| 02:41.08 | kd8ikt | dunno why but i always forget the w |
| 02:43.10 | abraxa_ | kd8ikt: Just a friendly reminder: the hardware is called Freerunner, Neo, GTA02, etc. "Openmoko" is either the software distribution or the company |
| 02:43.54 | kd8ikt | i know i just find it quicker and easier to type moko than GTa02 |
| 02:46.11 | deever | can the screen be rotated by 90 degrees? |
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| 02:48.05 | lpotter | deever: there will be a browser for qtopia when 4.4 gets released |
| 02:53.38 | deever | i hope it will be soon... |
| 02:54.06 | deever | ...because i develop in qt4.4 |
| 02:54.13 | Ark1 | what language does openmoko use in app development? |
| 02:54.44 | deever | huh? |
| 02:56.15 | deever | you mean, what languages are used for the applications, or what? |
| 02:59.24 | Ark1 | yeah apps |
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| 03:03.50 | Ark1 | what programminglanguage is used in application development on the openmoko platform |
| 03:04.05 | Ark1 | *programming languages |
| 03:04.55 | deever | for this you'll at least have to go to the application's website to see, or download the source... |
| 03:05.19 | deever | most will be c/c++ |
| 03:05.53 | deever | anyway...i must go to sleep...bye! ;) |
| 03:06.30 | pjz | is it just me, or is the dfu-util upload/download sense reversed? |
| 03:06.35 | CVirus | Ark1: C/C++/Python |
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| 03:09.47 | Ark1 | thanks |
| 03:11.30 | CVirus | and others too |
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| 03:12.23 | deever | pjz: it's reversed...;) |
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| 03:18.25 | Ark1 | how long is the freerunners battery life? |
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| 03:35.49 | AntonTakk | anyone using a recent software image they can recommend? |
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| 03:39.25 | swc|666 | debian |
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| 03:41.17 | AntonTakk | swc|666: can it make and receive calls reliably? |
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| 03:45.22 | swc|666 | mine can, but then again i have customized it beyond recognition |
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| 03:53.16 | mikef187 | swc|666: you should tarball you install for others |
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| 04:15.00 | Sargun_screen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:16.20 | rooly | so i guess it's too much to pray for a flash player |
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| 05:40.58 | dbmoodb | mmm swc|666 its ok debian... not finsihed yet |
| 05:41.20 | dbmoodb | have a go tho |
| 05:42.39 | swc|666 | ? |
| 05:48.36 | swc|666 | dbmoodb: huh? |
| 05:50.01 | dbmoodb | you might hit a glitch or two. fso has some bugs. that is all debian is fine |
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| 05:51.48 | swc|666 | fsck fso |
| 05:52.01 | swc|666 | i have my own distro i'm releasing soon :p |
| 05:52.11 | swc|666 | neopwn.com |
| 05:52.49 | swc|666 | no offense, but openmoko has pumped out decent hardware support and device, but everything else to me = booty |
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| 06:09.37 | emilis_info | sms app crashes... |
| 06:09.48 | dbmoodb | swc|666: ah wow that site actually exists |
| 06:09.55 | emilis_info | is it a known problem? |
| 06:10.08 | dbmoodb | swc|666: port nmap metasploity nesses wireshark .... etc is that the plan ? |
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| 06:22.32 | pjz | hopefully a WEP breaker |
| 06:22.38 | pjz | always handy |
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| 06:39.09 | swc|666 | pjz: and MUCH more :D |
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| 06:57.57 | dbmoodb_ | swc|666: how are you doing wep on it ? the wifi card is not capable of monitor mode |
| 07:00.23 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r300aeb3d67c2 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/ (accelerometer.py idlenotifier.py info.py input.py): odeviced: fix import breakage introduced by me |
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| 07:08.52 | Jacen | Hey |
| 07:09.01 | Jacen | So.. How many people usin' Debian on their phones? |
| 07:09.29 | dns53 | for some reason i just get a matchbox kb in debian |
| 07:09.45 | Jacen | Batchbox? |
| 07:09.48 | Jacen | *Matchbox? |
| 07:10.52 | Jacen | Whe did you expect? |
| 07:10.55 | Jacen | *What |
| 07:11.08 | dns53 | it should have zphone runnng as well |
| 07:11.18 | Jacen | Ahh |
| 07:11.42 | swc|666 | dbmoodb_: external usb's of course |
| 07:11.49 | Jacen | Hmm, well I haven't tested it out yet, so I dunno what to say |
| 07:11.53 | Jacen | But how smooth does it run? |
| 07:12.00 | swc|666 | i have an alfa awus036h and an rt73 |
| 07:12.20 | swc|666 | injection + automation scripts ftw |
| 07:15.15 | Jacen | And is she pretty stable? |
| 07:15.36 | swc|666 | very |
| 07:15.48 | swc|666 | metasploit loads in 40 secs |
| 07:15.55 | Jacen | What browser comes packaged with it? |
| 07:16.00 | swc|666 | firefox |
| 07:16.06 | swc|666 | iceweasel |
| 07:16.07 | Jacen | Niiiice |
| 07:16.14 | Jacen | Gawd |
| 07:16.21 | swc|666 | i also run 1gb swap |
| 07:16.22 | Jacen | I should go get it running right now |
| 07:16.23 | Jacen | >_> |
| 07:16.28 | swc|666 | never use it all tho |
| 07:17.09 | swc|666 | gl getting it running.. its VERY time consuming |
| 07:17.17 | Jacen | It is? |
| 07:17.30 | Jacen | The Wiki made it seem easy enough :< |
| 07:17.45 | swc|666 | u have to be a bash ninja to get the hardware up n a respectable amount of time, plus cross compiling, etc |
| 07:18.31 | swc|666 | plus u have to define the mix of window management vs oerformance |
| 07:18.37 | swc|666 | performance* |
| 07:18.47 | swc|666 | is happy |
| 07:19.03 | Jacen | <_< Yikes, so it's not ready to run after using the instilation script? |
| 07:19.19 | swc|666 | fsck the fso script imo |
| 07:19.22 | swc|666 | it sucks |
| 07:19.32 | swc|666 | i cant do what i do with that script |
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| 07:19.38 | Jacen | The one on this I mean |
| 07:19.39 | Jacen | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 07:19.55 | swc|666 | u have to build everythin custom, suing the hardware module support |
| 07:20.09 | swc|666 | grrr... keyboard ftl |
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| 07:21.52 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * reb275232dd61 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): |
| 07:21.52 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: oevents: bring back AudioScenarioAction (first try) |
| 07:21.52 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: FIXME: leads to a audio scenario stack underflow if a call never reaches 'active' |
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| 07:34.27 | dbmoodb | ah ? the debian script is pretty good not complete just follow the instructions.. you don't *have* to update uboot but it is recommeneded |
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| 08:00.30 | root | echo "host" > /sys/devices/platform/s3 â ernst |
| 08:00.32 | root | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.49 | root | this file does not exist by me can anyone help me ? |
| 08:01.07 | root | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Connecting-usb-stick-2.jpg this is what i want |
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| 08:20.26 | baku | hi, I have a "big" problem with my openmoko neo freerunner. Yesterday I updated it to 2008.8, installed some applications,... then It turned off. I thinked that the buttery was empty and I putted it in charging. But now it doesn't start... no signal... no sound... |
| 08:20.34 | baku | what can I do? What can it be? |
| 08:20.50 | baku | sorry for my "not-really-fluently" english... :) |
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| 08:24.20 | dns53 | there are battery problems, you need a charged openmoko battery or a nokia BL-5C battery in order to boot your phone |
| 08:25.06 | baku | Really... I don't know. Now I removed my battery... put it again... It boots... |
| 08:25.08 | dns53 | you boot your phone and change the battery when you have the charger or pc connected and it is running off power |
| 08:25.44 | baku | I tryied this procedure 4-5 times... but no results... this morning it starts. |
| 08:27.12 | baku | Another question: is there a list of the "new applications" ? I mean the applications written for the new UI illume? |
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| 08:38.10 | Zoup | is openmoko.org down ? |
| 08:39.28 | ike | Well. It responds to ping and I am able to connect (via telnet) to tcp port 80, however it doesn't send any data. |
| 08:39.56 | ike | Zoup: it works now. |
| 08:39.56 | Zoup | ike: yep , stalled webserver or possible complete packet droping |
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| 08:40.14 | Zoup | ike: it does , thanks :) |
| 08:40.24 | ike | ;-) n/p. |
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| 08:52.12 | Infinyte | Hrm.. Anyone have any idea how to fix this: run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/99avahi-autoipd exited with code 1 ? |
| 08:59.56 | Infinyte | ... Haha, nevermind. >_> |
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| 09:11.08 | hipitihop | Does anyone know what is different between an older fso-testing image e.g. 2008-08-16 + opkg update/upgrade and latest e.g. 2008-08-23 |
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| 09:15.23 | Infinyte | Hmm, anyone gotten Debian installed through QTopia? It says I need to shut off QTopias persistant scanning of the SD card, have any idea how? o_O |
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| 09:16.42 | hipitihop | Infinyte, not sure what that means but have you tried unmount sll sd based mounts ? |
| 09:16.53 | hipitihop | sll = all |
| 09:17.37 | dns53 | you could also format the drive before you start and then skip that step while you install |
| 09:18.12 | Infinyte | Hmm, well lemme see.. |
| 09:19.18 | lpotter | qtopia doesnt have persistant scanning of the sd, it simply keeps the content database opened |
| 09:19.43 | Infinyte | Ah, well whatever it's doing the Debian install doesn't like it. Haha. >_> |
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| 09:20.13 | lpotter | edit Storage.conf and change ContentDatabase to 0 |
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| 09:20.23 | Infinyte | Ah alright. ;D |
| 09:20.33 | |Marco| | mornin' folks |
| 09:21.19 | Infinyte | Err, where's Storage.conf located? |
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| 09:22.02 | |Marco| | question: if I dump a image to a sd card, how do I boot it and not what's in the fr's flash ? |
| 09:22.08 | hipitihop | anyone have a 3rd party package feed for fso ? just looking for some apps like some shown on http://scap.linuxtogo.org |
| 09:23.25 | hipitihop | alternatively if o feed a place where I can download suitable .ipkg files |
| 09:24.18 | cga | |Marco|, there's a wiki page for it, search. |
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| 09:24.42 | cga | Infinyte, find / -name 'Storage.conf' -print |
| 09:24.55 | tuXXX | I just received my FreeRunner! Hooray! :p |
| 09:25.04 | cga | yay! |
| 09:25.16 | Infinyte | Thanke! :D |
| 09:25.30 | hipitihop | |Marco|, the wiki has a page for "Booting from SD" |
| 09:25.45 | cga | right, that's the name |
| 09:26.31 | |Marco| | cga, hipitihop thanks |
| 09:26.36 | cga | np |
| 09:26.43 | hipitihop | np |
| 09:26.59 | dns53 | i boot qtopia and debian of sd card myself |
| 09:27.44 | |Marco| | ha, cool :) |
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| 09:28.40 | jucs | Good Mornign :-) |
| 09:29.58 | jucs | Does anyone know when there'll be a fix for dfu-util available? |
| 09:30.18 | dns53 | is it broken? |
| 09:30.58 | |Marco| | I belive the "download" option in it is not working |
| 09:31.29 | |Marco| | as in the possibility for getting an image from the neo dumped out |
| 09:34.21 | jucs | The "upload" Option... the backup-thing^^ |
| 09:34.54 | |Marco| | damn it.. for some reason when my freerunner boot's up, i loose the touchscreen interfacce.. from a eksternal terminal I do get data from it, but there is some configuration missmatch for the X server in one of the latest opkg upgrades |
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| 09:35.21 | jucs | -.- |
| 09:35.47 | jucs | You see, that's why I'd like to do a backup before upgrading :-P |
| 09:36.40 | jucs | Is there a way to remount the rootfs readonly so that I could do a ssh-backup? |
| 09:37.22 | hipitihop | for backups, someone posted this. Haven't ried it myself http://pastey.net/93678 |
| 09:37.34 | jucs | echo 1 >/proc/sys/kernel/sysrq && echo u >/proc/sysrq-trigger ... Doesn't work for some reason... |
| 09:37.56 | jucs | Thanks :-P |
| 09:39.11 | jucs | But it uses dfu-util, doesn't it? |
| 09:39.54 | hipitihop | as I said, no idea as I have not tried it |
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| 09:40.16 | hipitihop | but looks like it |
| 09:40.34 | jucs | So it won't work... |
| 09:43.40 | cga | hipitihop, jucs that's my script. better you use the final version... it's on wiki at PreFlash-Backup |
| 09:43.51 | cga | and yes it fails since it uses dfu-util |
| 09:44.23 | cga | hipitihop, jucs http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup#Interactive_script |
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| 09:46.42 | jucs | cga: But are you using dfu-util to do the backup? |
| 09:46.53 | cga | jucs, i tried but it fails |
| 09:47.07 | cga | we have to wait for bug to be resolved |
| 09:47.10 | jucs | :-D Thats the point... |
| 09:47.21 | cga | well at lest the script is ready :P |
| 09:47.37 | jucs | Yeah, that good at least :-P |
| 09:47.40 | jucs | s* |
| 09:47.45 | cga | =) |
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| 09:54.46 | Infinyte | Hrm, guess it didn't work. |
| 09:56.17 | cga | jucs, i'd like you to try the script and tell me what you think about it and if you have any suggestions for improvement. |
| 09:56.27 | Infinyte | It still says "Qtopia wants to continually access /media/card" and whatnot. |
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| 09:57.09 | jucs | cga: I'll do that as soon as the patch for dfu-util is released ;-) |
| 09:57.22 | cga | jucs, ok =) |
| 09:57.48 | Zoup | is there any terminal in om2008 ? |
| 09:57.54 | cga | jucs, btw apparently the only thing failing is rootfs |
| 09:58.09 | cga | Zoup, yes you can use openmoko-terminal |
| 09:58.17 | cga | or the qtopia one |
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| 09:58.46 | Zoup | cga: how can i run that ? |
| 09:59.04 | jucs | cga: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1843 <- No, it's quite dead at all... |
| 09:59.56 | jucs | I'm sure if it affects the kernel, but actually the rootfs is the thing to backup, isn't it? |
| 10:00.30 | jucs | I mean, I'm running the unmodified kernel-imaged from buildhost.openmoko.org, so I already got a backup of those... |
| 10:00.37 | jucs | images* |
| 10:01.02 | Zoup | sorry how can i run openmoko-termina on om2008 ? |
| 10:02.48 | Infinyte | Arr.. Does the FSO have any sort of Notepad? |
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| 10:05.27 | jucs | Does Om2007.2 have that? |
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| 10:06.57 | Guest58695 | Qtopia have that |
| 10:07.13 | Guest58695 | but it's shit |
| 10:08.07 | jucs | I know about Qtopia, but I'm searching for something like gedit... |
| 10:08.08 | Guest58695 | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e10abbe71c9f520283ead8d8fdf32740.png |
| 10:08.15 | Guest58695 | padpaper meybe ? |
| 10:08.23 | Guest58695 | but i can't find it |
| 10:08.41 | jucs | Looks good :-P |
| 10:09.36 | Guest58695 | in 2008.8 is a terminal if you install it but it is with a very teribble keyboard |
| 10:09.46 | cga | is there a good keyboard for qtopia?? or at least a way to get rid of the smart t9 feature??? |
| 10:10.11 | Zoup | Guys :) i need help , how can i run a terminal in om2008 ? :) |
| 10:10.16 | Guest58695 | in fso was a good keyboard |
| 10:10.30 | Guest58695 | now i test the unstable :D |
| 10:11.04 | Guest58695 | the stable is good but the opkg is very bad |
| 10:11.10 | jucs | Zoup: Thanks for asking that :-D |
| 10:11.13 | Guest58695 | but the testing was very good |
| 10:11.22 | Guest58695 | and now i test the unstable |
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| 10:11.37 | Infinyte | cga: Yeah, hit Options>Change Input Method |
| 10:11.48 | cga | Infinyte, it sucks big time |
| 10:11.53 | jucs | And... is it possible to turn off the word-guessing in Om2008.8 - it makes the keyboard unuasble... |
| 10:12.00 | cga | i need a real usable keyboard |
| 10:12.13 | Zoup | jucs: ah , there is no terminal then ? |
| 10:12.24 | Zoup | jucs: how can i set ip on device , do usb netowrking ? etc ? :) |
| 10:12.29 | cga | jucs, how do i turn it off? |
| 10:12.29 | jucs | Zoup: Couldn't find it... |
| 10:12.50 | jucs | cga: Turn off what? |
| 10:12.50 | Infinyte | cga: Well I've yet to see one better. Cept maybe the Matchbox that was made for 2007, it had working arrow keys. ;D |
| 10:13.17 | cga | jucs, word-guessing |
| 10:13.22 | Zoup | ANYone know a guide to reflash to om2007 ? :)) |
| 10:13.34 | cga | Zoup, wiki |
| 10:13.37 | jucs | cga: If I knew I would probably give Om2008.8 another try... |
| 10:13.43 | cga | eh eh |
| 10:13.50 | jucs | Zoup: Me :-P |
| 10:14.08 | cga | jucs, where are you from? |
| 10:14.40 | jucs | Germany^^ |
| 10:14.45 | jucs | And u? |
| 10:14.51 | cga | ah ok |
| 10:14.52 | cga | italy |
| 10:15.00 | cga | i tought you were italian |
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| 10:15.15 | jucs | No no ;-) |
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| 10:15.47 | jucs | Zoup: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Downloads#Openmoko_2007.2_images_.28GTK.29 <- Images; http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner <- Manual to flash... |
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| 10:16.52 | Zoup | jucs: are these the images ? : http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ |
| 10:17.23 | jucs | Yes, but the old ones... |
| 10:17.37 | Infinyte | Ancienttt |
| 10:17.38 | Infinyte | >_> |
| 10:18.02 | Zoup | jucs: old ones means not latest om2007 ? |
| 10:18.11 | Infinyte | Right |
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| 10:19.30 | jucs | Newest rootfs: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080822/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 ; Newest kernel: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080822/uImage-2.6.24+git35+2d61a7406ec89893cdb4246d3f0144818278a5d8-r2-om-gta02.bin |
| 10:19.58 | jucs | Zoup: Maybe the "old" ones are more stable, don't know... I'm using those there^^ |
| 10:20.23 | Zoup | jucs: surely im fool ! ;) are these om2008 or om2007 ? |
| 10:20.33 | jucs | And I think if you download the old ones and do "opkg update && opkg upgrade" it will upgrade you to the newest anyway... |
| 10:20.43 | jucs | Om2007.2 :-P |
| 10:21.28 | Zoup | jucs: thank you :) |
| 10:21.53 | jucs | No problem ;-) |
| 10:22.26 | jucs | <- back in 10 minutes |
| 10:24.45 | admiral0 | hi i am having an issue with opkg... |
| 10:25.09 | admiral0 | opkg update works, okg upgrade gives me segmentation fault... |
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| 10:28.23 | admiral0 | has anyone got an idea of what it may be? |
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| 10:29.06 | Zoup | admiral0: im not openmoko expert or even avg user , but that has to be some sort of bug |
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| 10:30.16 | admiral0 | i've found this problem on some forum in internet, but no solution posted... |
| 10:30.50 | ike | Does anyone using 2008.08 and is able to properly receive MMSes? |
| 10:30.57 | cga | admiral0, better you search for bugs on the official bugtracker |
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| 10:32.22 | Infinyte | Woah, I take it back. The best keyboard for the Neo I've seen yet is now the FULL qwerty one on the FSO2 |
| 10:32.39 | cga | Infinyte, how is it called? |
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| 10:33.33 | Infinyte | I have no idea, I was just grabbing FSO to install Debian when I came across it. |
| 10:33.43 | cga | olk |
| 10:33.44 | cga | ok |
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| 10:36.53 | Shlee | FSO2? |
| 10:36.57 | Shlee | Milestone two? |
| 10:37.08 | Infinyte | Aye |
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| 10:38.30 | admiral0 | i've seen there is a newer one on shr.bearstech.com |
| 10:38.47 | admiral0 | it's dated ... TODAY! |
| 10:39.35 | admiral0 | :O |
| 10:39.43 | Infinyte | Erm, that's odd. I can't ping www.debian.org on my Neo, but I can ping it on my computer, and I don't have a problem pinging google on the Neo. o_O |
| 10:39.51 | Infinyte | Whot Admiral? A new FSO you say? |
| 10:39.58 | cga | Infinyte, dns |
| 10:40.44 | Infinyte | Right! |
| 10:41.12 | admiral0 | it's a daily build |
| 10:41.59 | admiral0 | let's see if this build is better... |
| 10:42.12 | admiral0 | keep your fingers crossed |
| 10:44.18 | Infinyte | Fixedm thanks cga. |
| 10:44.23 | Infinyte | *Fixed, |
| 10:44.23 | cga | np |
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| 10:48.54 | czubek_ | Hi all. |
| 10:49.06 | Infinyte | So, generally how long does the Debian installation take to finish? |
| 10:49.14 | Infinyte | Yo. |
| 10:49.16 | cga | 3 days |
| 10:49.22 | Infinyte | <_< |
| 10:49.27 | cga | oh no.... that's gentoo :OP |
| 10:49.31 | Infinyte | Lolz |
| 10:50.09 | czubek_ | Could someone help me with share internet connection via USB on Ubuntu on 192.168.0.0/24? |
| 10:50.31 | cga | czubek_, wiki has it all. use manually connect |
| 10:50.31 | ike | Gentoo on a Freerunner? |
| 10:50.32 | ike | Wow. |
| 10:50.44 | Infinyte | That's always been to complicated for me, I just use Wifi. >_> |
| 10:50.59 | Infinyte | Haha, Gentoo on the Neo. Possibilities. O___o |
| 10:51.08 | cga | some crazy fool did it |
| 10:51.09 | ike | cga: isn't a bit... overkill? |
| 10:51.13 | cga | indeed |
| 10:51.36 | ike | "I want to use WiFi AP, have to wait 32 hrs to recompile my phone". |
| 10:51.38 | cga | i don't even see the point of installing a whole distro (read desktop) on the neo |
| 10:51.39 | ike | Awesome. |
| 10:51.42 | cga | lol |
| 10:51.47 | czubek_ | cga: "route add -host 192.168.0.202 dev usb0" didn't help. |
| 10:52.07 | cga | czubek_, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Simple_Manual_Linux_Configuration |
| 10:52.10 | tuXXX | ike: if you want to compile everything from your phone, yes, but if you cross-compile from your computer, there is no problem at all |
| 10:52.38 | tuXXX | you don't build debian packages from your phone either |
| 10:52.49 | ike | Anyway. opkg is crappy. It's search "engine" sucks. I wanted to find all gps apps so i executed "opkg search *gps*" and it couldn't find tangogps. |
| 10:53.12 | ike | tuXXX: well. i build debs on buildd. |
| 10:53.47 | ike | And every debian system should be aprox. the same. Gentoo OTOH differs on every desktop most of the time. |
| 10:54.19 | cga | czubek_, i use this simple script http://rafb.net/p/N2q0sF17.html (made out of those commands) and it wirks |
| 10:54.22 | Infinyte | I just like the idea of having a solid stable phone (Read: Qtopia or FSO) and a versatile desktop built into one little handheld device. ;D |
| 10:54.22 | cga | *works |
| 10:55.09 | ike | Infinyte: or maybe SHR? |
| 10:55.18 | ike | (if it will eventually go off) |
| 10:55.23 | Infinyte | ike: That'd be awesome. >_> |
| 10:55.35 | admiral0 | wow |
| 10:55.43 | cga | shr is a mess of a concept |
| 10:55.51 | ike | cga: what isn't? |
| 10:55.53 | ike | ;-P |
| 10:56.02 | admiral0 | FSO from shr.bearstech.com works.. |
| 10:56.10 | cga | better to wait that new framework will be ready and that asu and fso will merge |
| 10:56.15 | cga | ike, qtopia :P |
| 10:56.16 | ike | FSO is supposed to be only a framework. |
| 10:56.47 | ike | cga: ;-)) well. yea. It looks complete. I had some problems with MSS' though. |
| 10:57.04 | cga | mss? |
| 10:57.08 | ike | I'm still waiting for 4.4 |
| 10:57.11 | Infinyte | When's Milestone 3 coming? |
| 10:57.12 | ike | cga: MMS. |
| 10:57.15 | cga | k |
| 10:57.19 | cga | Infinyte, september |
| 10:57.25 | Infinyte | Awesome |
| 10:57.33 | Infinyte | And when's Qtopia 4.4 coming? |
| 10:57.40 | ike | And the newest qtopia should be here in a week or two i believe. |
| 10:57.52 | cga | cool |
| 10:57.53 | Infinyte | Whoo, can't wait. |
| 10:57.57 | cga | i can't wait for it |
| 10:57.59 | |Marco| | i don't know if the image i'm dumping from my freerunner is just garbage or not, but it looks like -U with dfu-util works fine sofar |
| 10:58.07 | Infinyte | Supposedly 4.4'll have a browser |
| 10:58.38 | czubek_ | cga: hmmmm..... still doesn't work :( |
| 10:58.42 | cga | |Marco|, wait for rootfs to fail and then cry :P |
| 10:58.50 | |Marco| | ooh? |
| 10:58.55 | cga | czubek_, i use ubuntu and that script and it works |
| 10:58.55 | ike | Ach no. the newest qtopia should be at the end of q3. So it's 4-5 weeks. Sorry ;-> |
| 10:59.08 | Infinyte | Nuuu. >_> |
| 10:59.21 | ike | Is there any way to install OperaMini on a Freerunner? Has anyone tried this already? |
| 10:59.30 | czubek_ | :( |
| 10:59.35 | cga | ike, i waited for freerunner for two long years.... 4-5 weeks do't matter ;) |
| 10:59.41 | ike | cga ;-) true. |
| 10:59.52 | jucs | ike: Or even any good browser... |
| 11:00.00 | cga | minimo or midori |
| 11:00.04 | Infinyte | I've waited for the Freerunner since 1973 was announced. |
| 11:00.05 | jucs | Minimo and openmoko-browser2 are both unusable... |
| 11:00.09 | Infinyte | Cause it didn't has Wifi. :< |
| 11:00.10 | ike | imvvvho minimo still sucks. |
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| 11:00.21 | jucs | midori? |
| 11:00.21 | Infinyte | Yeah they do. |
| 11:00.22 | Infinyte | >_> |
| 11:00.24 | ike | cga: midori? any link please? |
| 11:00.32 | cga | opkg install midori |
| 11:00.36 | Infinyte | What's this Midori? |
| 11:00.38 | ike | oh. that one was easy. |
| 11:00.43 | jucs | <- *try* |
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| 11:01.04 | |Marco| | cga: how does it fail? |
| 11:01.05 | Infinyte | I'd try it, but does it run on FSO? |
| 11:01.24 | cga | |Marco|, returns some errors and exit |
| 11:01.27 | ike | Infinyte: maybe... just try? |
| 11:01.59 | Infinyte | But I'm paranoid. :< |
| 11:02.02 | |Marco| | okay, haven't seen any errors yet |
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| 11:03.23 | |Marco| | it just fails to dump out the image and nothing wors than that? |
| 11:04.09 | jucs | I can't zoom out in the menu of midori... anyone an idea? |
| 11:05.05 | cga | czubek_, which image do you have on neo? |
| 11:05.09 | Infinyte | Holy snap I just dropped my Neo. O___o |
| 11:05.24 | cga | Infinyte, welcome to the droppers club |
| 11:05.35 | czubek_ | cga: 2008.8 |
| 11:05.44 | cga | czubek_, that's why |
| 11:05.45 | Infinyte | Looks okay though. :3 |
| 11:05.57 | cga | czubek_, check your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:06.54 | ike | Infinyte: drop it again! |
| 11:07.01 | ike | Maybe something will happen. |
| 11:07.02 | ike | :P |
| 11:07.02 | Infinyte | Nuuuu :< |
| 11:07.07 | |Marco| | hehehe |
| 11:07.25 | cga | Infinyte, after 3 drops accelerometers start to work |
| 11:07.30 | jucs | Noone an idea? |
| 11:07.33 | cga | magically! |
| 11:07.37 | czubek_ | cga: on my pc and fr they are ok, i used internet on fr on another computer |
| 11:07.37 | Infinyte | Lol |
| 11:07.49 | jucs | Web pages are sooooooo huge in midori, how make them smaller? |
| 11:08.08 | Dave | :P |
| 11:08.13 | cga | Dave, ! |
| 11:08.17 | Infinyte | Hey, it's Dave! |
| 11:08.21 | Dave | How are you gentlemen? |
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| 11:08.33 | Dave | all your moko are belong to me |
| 11:08.35 | Dave | ha ha ha ha |
| 11:08.37 | Infinyte | Somebody set us up the bomb. |
| 11:08.50 | cga | *boom* |
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| 11:08.51 | Infinyte | :O! Why you !! |
| 11:08.56 | Dave | That must be the openmoko developers :p |
| 11:09.08 | |Marco| | you are on your way to destruction |
| 11:09.18 | |Marco| | take your time |
| 11:09.20 | Infinyte | Take off every zig !! |
| 11:09.29 | Dave | you have no chance to survive make your openmoko distribution! |
| 11:09.42 | |Marco| | hehehe |
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| 11:09.52 | Infinyte | Dave, are you part of the development team? |
| 11:09.52 | cga | Dave, you have no chances in life in general! :P |
| 11:09.55 | Dave | For great justice, take off every bug! |
| 11:09.57 | Dave | \o/ |
| 11:10.15 | ike | Freerunner bug #1. It doesn't work. |
| 11:10.25 | cga | don't say that |
| 11:10.29 | cga | qtopia works greatly |
| 11:10.42 | Infinyte | Freerunner bug #1 Response: Have you pressed the POWER button yet? |
| 11:10.47 | ike | QTopia doesn't have any decent GPS app. |
| 11:10.48 | Dave | <jadams_> does 2008.8 support the neo yet? |
| 11:10.48 | jucs | Noone using Midori? |
| 11:10.50 | Dave | :P |
| 11:11.03 | ike | Infinyte: once. |
| 11:11.03 | Infinyte | Which Neo? >_> |
| 11:11.18 | ike | Neo - the matrix guy. |
| 11:11.25 | Dave | -_- |
| 11:11.26 | Infinyte | Ahhh |
| 11:11.26 | Infinyte | <_< |
| 11:11.29 | cga | the one! |
| 11:11.37 | Dave | THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! |
| 11:11.39 | Infinyte | With rearanged letters! |
| 11:11.49 | cga | i show you the door but you have to pass it! |
| 11:12.14 | ike | Dave: have you ever thought about making a bot named HAL9000? |
| 11:12.22 | Dave | stabbity-stabs ike |
| 11:12.30 | ike | dies. |
| 11:12.33 | Dave | >:) |
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| 11:12.36 | cga | rejoice |
| 11:12.39 | Dave | :D |
| 11:12.41 | Infinyte | laughs heartily~ |
| 11:12.45 | ike | Oh you evil people! |
| 11:12.49 | cga | is listening to Cansei de Ser Sexy - Fuckoff is not the only thing you have to show - Album: Cansei de Ser Sexy |
| 11:12.50 | Infinyte | <.<; |
| 11:12.51 | Dave | puts in the The Matrix |
| 11:12.59 | cga | is in the matrix |
| 11:13.07 | Infinyte | I wanna watch the Matrix now. :< |
| 11:13.14 | cga | try it on neo |
| 11:13.14 | Dave | :D |
| 11:13.16 | ShellEvil | notes cga can't get out as his phone is running a broken image. |
| 11:13.17 | Dave | :D! |
| 11:13.19 | Infinyte | And I need a Matrix screensaver on my Neo. |
| 11:13.27 | Dave | Maybe I can stream it to you guys :p |
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| 11:14.05 | Dave | :o |
| 11:14.06 | Infinyte | What's your favorite Distro Dave? |
| 11:14.08 | Dave | norsk! |
| 11:14.25 | Dave | Infinity, right now, 2007.2 (I believe) :p |
| 11:14.26 | ike | DistroDave. |
| 11:14.30 | Dave | huhu |
| 11:14.47 | ike | I'm using 2008.08 since it works as a phone. |
| 11:14.52 | Dave | I kill all the other distros and they become part of me! |
| 11:14.53 | ike | However I miss 2007.02 games. |
| 11:14.59 | Dave | ike, yeah :D |
| 11:14.59 | Infinyte | Dave'sDistro:2007.2 , Cause he's old sch00l. |
| 11:15.20 | |Marco| | cga: still no error, it's at about 130mb |
| 11:15.21 | Dave | DistroDave likes Distro Games :) |
| 11:15.34 | ike | Well. Those games are very addictive. |
| 11:15.36 | cga | |Marco|, good , let me know if it works. |
| 11:15.40 | Dave | INDEED |
| 11:15.44 | Dave | Net forever! |
| 11:15.45 | ike | My gf didn't like FR at the beggining. |
| 11:15.49 | cga | |Marco|, did you compile dfu-util from svn today? |
| 11:15.54 | ike | But after a while she loved it - because of the games. |
| 11:15.55 | Dave | ike, but then you stuck it in her... |
| 11:16.00 | Infinyte | What the.. What are you doing Marco? >_> I don't recall any Distro's being that h00ge. |
| 11:16.01 | Dave | oh |
| 11:16.04 | ike | Dave: vibrator doesn't work well. |
| 11:16.08 | ike | Maybe later. |
| 11:16.11 | ike | ];-) |
| 11:16.12 | Dave | Yeah it does :P |
| 11:16.19 | Dave | I wrote a script for it :P |
| 11:16.25 | ike | hehe. |
| 11:16.33 | ike | Do you have a gf Dave? |
| 11:16.34 | Dave | she should try it sometime... ;) |
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| 11:16.52 | Infinyte | Uhoh |
| 11:16.54 | ike | Paste this script somewhere. I might want to try it. |
| 11:16.57 | Infinyte | Ike's making a move on you Dave. |
| 11:17.03 | |Marco| | cga: svn yes |
| 11:17.06 | cga | k |
| 11:17.12 | cga | today? |
| 11:17.15 | |Marco| | mm |
| 11:17.21 | |Marco| | just 30 min ago |
| 11:17.24 | Infinyte | So, can I install Compiz Fusion on my Moko? ;D |
| 11:17.27 | Dave | t_s_o: står til |
| 11:17.28 | cga | that's today -.- |
| 11:17.37 | |Marco| | Infinyte: you nuts???? |
| 11:17.39 | Dave | So what new apps have been developed for the freerunner? |
| 11:17.42 | cga | Dave, meer le leere |
| 11:17.43 | Infinyte | Probably. >:D |
| 11:18.01 | Dave | steals Infinity's horns |
| 11:18.09 | Infinyte | Oww |
| 11:18.11 | Infinyte | BLOOOD :< |
| 11:18.13 | Dave | ]>:D |
| 11:18.22 | ike | Can anyone tell me what Qi is supposed to be? |
| 11:18.24 | malik1972 | which image is this resp. what kind of theme http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e2fc9c0fc8dced2b90856375a7a3981b.png |
| 11:18.25 | Infinyte | Ooo, nice hat. |
| 11:18.29 | ike | Is it u-boot replacement? |
| 11:18.35 | PBeck | ike: yes |
| 11:18.49 | Infinyte | I haven't heard of no Qi.. |
| 11:18.58 | Infinyte | What's u-boot need a replacement for? |
| 11:18.58 | ike | PBeck: thanks ;-) and is it possible to try it? |
| 11:18.59 | malik1972 | and this one http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/254565b689005e778a0f8da852002dca.png |
| 11:19.05 | |Marco| | geez... 155mb so far?? did i install that much stuff?? |
| 11:19.16 | ike | PBeck: or is it just renamed u-boot? |
| 11:19.31 | Dave | iBoot? |
| 11:19.41 | Infinyte | oBoot? |
| 11:19.51 | |Marco| | WiiBoot? |
| 11:19.55 | ike | xBoot is the coolest since it has an "x"! |
| 11:19.59 | PBeck | ike: i dont know. I have only heard that Qi is a bootloader with less features (u-boot is nearly a os) |
| 11:20.09 | Infinyte | zBoot>xBoot |
| 11:20.11 | ike | PBeck: ok. thanks. |
| 11:20.24 | PBeck | ike: Qi is a simple bootloader :) |
| 11:20.41 | Infinyte | Cause Z is the only letter manly enough to be the last letter in the alphabet song. |
| 11:20.49 | TAsnn | hey, is the moko screen ultra sensitive (to scratches) or is it like any other phone? |
| 11:20.50 | Dave | Danger Will Robinson! |
| 11:21.09 | TAsnn | btw, congrat me |
| 11:21.13 | Infinyte | Don't ask questions, just get a screen protector. |
| 11:21.14 | TAsnn | i ordered mine :) |
| 11:21.23 | Dave | tasnn, it would appear so :[ |
| 11:21.24 | ike | PBeck: but is there a need for a simple bootloader? I still don't get this. Oh well. I'll ask on MLs. |
| 11:21.38 | TAsnn | Infinyte, i don't think it's improtant since my previous phone |
| 11:21.39 | Dave | tasnn, well, being a touchscreen, not as much so |
| 11:21.50 | Dave | but it is still better to avoid scratching it :P |
| 11:21.51 | |Marco| | cga: still going at 175mb |
| 11:21.54 | TAsnn | doesn't have any scratches and i had it for year :) |
| 11:21.55 | Dave | by condomizing it ;p |
| 11:21.58 | Dave | :D |
| 11:22.01 | TAsnn | years* |
| 11:22.05 | Infinyte | Specially considering the astronomical price tag. >___> |
| 11:22.06 | PBeck | ike: the problem is duplicated code in the system and in the bootloader |
| 11:22.09 | Dave | haha |
| 11:22.11 | cga | |Marco|, 2007.2 rootfs is 241MB |
| 11:22.11 | TAsnn | Dave, always wear protection. |
| 11:22.12 | |Marco| | i think it's reading out the enrire flash chip |
| 11:22.14 | Dave | ;D |
| 11:22.17 | PBeck | ike: i have only heard a bit from mickey|zzZZzz ;) |
| 11:22.28 | |Marco| | cga: yeah |
| 11:22.30 | Dave | TAsnn, yeah, tell that to Infinyte. :P |
| 11:22.30 | Infinyte | Arr, Debian is still installing. |
| 11:22.41 | Dave | Infinity, what did you expect :) |
| 11:22.44 | Infinyte | What's protection? |
| 11:22.48 | Dave | :O |
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| 11:22.55 | Dave | slowly backs away from infinity... |
| 11:23.07 | ike | :D |
| 11:23.07 | Infinyte | >_> Infinyte is not a typo. |
| 11:23.18 | Tanuva | *g* |
| 11:23.21 | Dave | YES IT IS. |
| 11:23.28 | Infinyte | NO IT'S NOT |
| 11:23.43 | Dave | SO IS YOUR NAME! |
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| 11:23.54 | cga | you are d00med |
| 11:24.06 | Dave | HUMILIATION! |
| 11:24.06 | |Marco| | me? cool |
| 11:24.39 | Dave | Heh, too bad, I doubt the glamo could handle q3 :p |
| 11:24.54 | Infinyte | So. |
| 11:25.02 | Infinyte | Any word on the next phone by Openmoko? |
| 11:25.07 | Infinyte | Gonna get us some 3G? |
| 11:25.10 | Infinyte | EH? |
| 11:25.11 | Infinyte | EH?? |
| 11:25.13 | Dave | Yes. |
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| 11:25.18 | Dave | and possibly a Camera? |
| 11:25.22 | Dave | and it will suck a little less? |
| 11:25.22 | Infinyte | Nooo |
| 11:25.24 | ike | Might be. |
| 11:25.24 | |Marco| | let's unleash the craziness |
| 11:25.25 | Infinyte | Not a Camera |
| 11:25.28 | Dave | I still have to change some things. |
| 11:25.29 | ike | But it's all speculations. |
| 11:25.36 | Dave | Correctamundo. |
| 11:25.44 | Infinyte | Camera's need to stay in.. Cameras. |
| 11:25.44 | ike | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03_revisions |
| 11:25.48 | Dave | zergrushes Infinyte |
| 11:26.10 | Infinyte | >_> Cause if we DON'T get a Camera, we can get more power. Or a cheaper price tag. Kekeke |
| 11:26.12 | |Marco| | cga: just hit 200mb |
| 11:26.32 | Infinyte | Geez Marco. |
| 11:26.40 | ShellEvil | Cameras are _CHEAP_ |
| 11:26.42 | Dave | Infinyte, well, see, if we had a secondary, full-speed 2.0 usb bus, we wouldn't need a camera IN the phone *wink-wink* |
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| 11:26.45 | ShellEvil | $5 or so. |
| 11:26.47 | cga | |Marco|, don't worry... you'll get the error soon.... it complete the backup but it fails.... so yuo'll have backed up but not working |
| 11:26.51 | Dave | cameras are sheep |
| 11:26.54 | Infinyte | Ooo |
| 11:26.56 | ShellEvil | $10 on the price. |
| 11:27.03 | Infinyte | Yes, that'd be a great idea. |
| 11:27.08 | ShellEvil | (for a 1.3MP or so camera.) |
| 11:27.11 | Dave | Me? :) |
| 11:27.18 | Infinyte | Yeah you Dave. |
| 11:27.21 | Dave | :) |
| 11:27.33 | Dave | Yeah, I just hope the rest of them listen to me. :p |
| 11:27.34 | ike | ShellEvil: I'd like to see stable software stack. New hardware can wait. |
| 11:27.50 | Dave | stable software stack? What do you think this is, 2010? :D |
| 11:27.55 | Infinyte | lololol |
| 11:27.57 | ShellEvil | ike: GTA03 is essentially (software) identically hardware. |
| 11:28.04 | |Marco| | cga: does anyone know what fails? |
| 11:28.05 | Infinyte | Hey now, give Qtopia some credit. |
| 11:28.06 | Infinyte | >_> |
| 11:28.11 | ShellEvil | ike: You lose the glamo - whihc only affects the X server/... |
| 11:28.17 | cga | |Marco|, there are a couple of bugs filed on tracker |
| 11:28.29 | ShellEvil | ike: nothing consumer. And the camera is totally isolated. |
| 11:28.40 | |Marco| | do you know more spesiffic ? |
| 11:28.48 | ike | ShellEvil: hm. and so will replace glamo? |
| 11:28.50 | cga | |Marco|, mmontour does |
| 11:28.52 | Zoup | Aux led color is red on booting free runner , whats wrong? |
| 11:28.53 | ShellEvil | ike: nothing |
| 11:28.59 | Dave | Shellevil, with the glamo gone, doesn't that mean a bus change anyway? :D |
| 11:29.07 | Dave | I was just hoping they'd fix the buses. |
| 11:29.08 | ShellEvil | ike: it's wired direct like on the GTA01 |
| 11:29.15 | Dave | Zoup, nothing's wrong. |
| 11:29.24 | ike | ShellEvil: like nothing? so I can upgrade my GTA02 to GTA03 by ripping of glamo? |
| 11:29.25 | ShellEvil | Dave: what aspect of the buses? |
| 11:29.26 | Dave | maybe it just likes you ;) |
| 11:29.37 | Dave | Shellevil, well the bus(es) now suck |
| 11:29.54 | cga | is off for didjing |
| 11:29.55 | Dave | a bus that everything on the system shares, because of wifi (which also sucks)? shitty result. |
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| 11:30.20 | Dave | jucs! |
| 11:30.25 | |Marco| | mmontour: do you know what fails after flash image dump with dfu-util? |
| 11:30.38 | Dave | speedevil, it'd be nice to have a dedicated bus or two, and not a shared one. |
| 11:30.58 | |Marco| | cga: 230mb |
| 11:31.02 | Dave | I'm hoping that the loss of glamo will force something like that to happen :) |
| 11:31.17 | ShellEvil | Dave: you can't on this class of device. |
| 11:31.22 | Dave | oh yeah, that's also ridiculous, what's the internal capacity of the phone? 256M? |
| 11:31.33 | ShellEvil | Dave: there are sharply limited busses on a phone of this class. |
| 11:31.39 | Dave | Why not have like 4G? it probably costs nothing. |
| 11:31.47 | Dave | Shellevil :( |
| 11:31.49 | ShellEvil | Dave: however, the current problem is solely tha tthe glamo and mem bus contend mainly. |
| 11:31.51 | ike | ShellEvil: so there will be no 3d accel? |
| 11:31.52 | ShellEvil | Dave: no it doesn't. |
| 11:32.02 | Dave | no it doesn't? |
| 11:32.08 | ShellEvil | Dave: it costs another 8 pins or so. |
| 11:32.14 | Dave | boohoo? |
| 11:32.24 | Dave | and what, there isn't space for that? :P |
| 11:32.34 | ShellEvil | Dave: and much more powerful drivers, and more internal gates on the CPU, which boost power consumption, ... |
| 11:32.48 | Dave | yeah yeah, I'm aware of that, anyway. |
| 11:32.58 | Dave | bah |
| 11:33.09 | Dave | So because of that, we cannot have increased internal storage? |
| 11:33.33 | Infinyte | SD cards work. >_> Just wish we could have some 3D graphix too. |
| 11:33.34 | ShellEvil | Dave: If you can't do it in 128M, you're DOING IT WRONG. IMO. |
| 11:33.46 | ike | ;-) |
| 11:33.53 | Dave | nah, that just means we'll have to go the way of the eeepc. |
| 11:33.56 | Infinyte | DOIN' IT WRANG |
| 11:34.04 | Dave | essentially, install /usr to /media/card :) |
| 11:34.17 | Zoup | how can i get qwerty keyboard with om2007 ? |
| 11:34.23 | ShellEvil | Oh - you mean flash. |
| 11:34.31 | Dave | Zoup, install matchbox-keyboard |
| 11:34.35 | ShellEvil | In that case, it's silly to expect a decent amount on the phone IMO. |
| 11:34.38 | ShellEvil | It complicates things. |
| 11:34.39 | Dave | Zoup, it's under Switching_Keyboards on the wiki |
| 11:34.47 | ShellEvil | And makes it hard to upgrade. |
| 11:34.49 | Dave | Shellevil, that's what I was taling about! |
| 11:34.55 | Dave | yeah, haha, I know that :P |
| 11:35.08 | Dave | and because of the 128M and decent programming, upgrading is easy and works well :) |
| 11:35.11 | Infinyte | Or you could use the force |
| 11:35.17 | Dave | Though still, I'm bitching about it :) |
| 11:35.40 | Dave | Though maybe I could compromise if we had a decent sd bus |
| 11:35.56 | Dave | the current one is less than crap |
| 11:35.59 | ShellEvil | Dave: the SD bus on GTA03 is - AIUI - shared between wifi and SD |
| 11:36.06 | Dave | uggh |
| 11:36.19 | ShellEvil | There are only two SD busses. |
| 11:36.19 | snp | What are the speculation for a release date of the GTA03? |
| 11:36.25 | Dave | apparently! |
| 11:36.41 | Dave | shellevil, fucking a |
| 11:37.07 | Dave | Shellevil, well I can't stand this horrible design "compromises" ... care to help me modify a gta03, when it comes? ;) |
| 11:37.21 | ShellEvil | Dave: you can't modify it. |
| 11:37.26 | ShellEvil | Dave: without pulling stuff. |
| 11:37.38 | ShellEvil | Dave: there are three things to go on a SD bus, and two SD busses. |
| 11:37.40 | Dave | sure, but what's the problem? |
| 11:38.01 | ShellEvil | Wifi, SD, and something I forget. |
| 11:38.02 | Dave | shellevil, what if we made the device 200% larger? ;) |
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| 11:38.19 | Dave | more power! |
| 11:38.24 | ike | more heavy? |
| 11:38.25 | Dave | more buses! |
| 11:38.30 | ike | more heavy?! |
| 11:38.31 | Dave | more awesomeness! |
| 11:38.41 | ike | more "phone backpacks". |
| 11:38.42 | Dave | beats ike with a barbell |
| 11:39.40 | Infinyte | -Tosses Salmon around the room- |
| 11:39.45 | ike | It's olympics time! |
| 11:40.00 | Dave | we already lost, what's there to talk about? |
| 11:40.12 | Dave | Furthermore, lollerchina. |
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| 11:40.23 | ike | .cn won. |
| 11:40.31 | Dave | The freerunner is unamused! |
| 11:40.41 | Dave | more apps, please! |
| 11:40.56 | Dave | goes to try to run zork on his phone |
| 11:41.07 | Infinyte | I feel like linking to Limecat all of a sudden. >_> |
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| 11:44.12 | Dave | Infinity, be productive, install more games on your freerunner. |
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| 11:44.21 | ike | BTW games. |
| 11:44.39 | ike | How to make horizontal touchscreen work so I could play scummvm? |
| 11:44.54 | Dave | In what sense? |
| 11:45.14 | Dave | The Xglamo bug was fixed, but scummvm on the freerunner still seems to have some pointer issues of its own. |
| 11:45.25 | ike | Well. When I swap orientation and I'm in horizontal mode but coordinates are "moved". |
| 11:45.29 | Dave | so you "can play," but it can be admittedly challenging at times. |
| 11:45.32 | Dave | ike, that was fixed. |
| 11:45.38 | ike | Hm. Really? |
| 11:45.41 | Dave | Yes |
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| 11:45.58 | Dave | However, thus far there is no way I have found to save your game, depending on the game. |
| 11:46.03 | Dave | because there is no keyboard. |
| 11:46.21 | |Marco| | can someone point me to where it's written how you blank the rootfs flash chip ? |
| 11:46.27 | ike | Dave: thanks. |
| 11:46.34 | Infinyte | Uhh |
| 11:46.36 | Dave | marco: nand erase ? |
| 11:46.36 | Infinyte | Yes? |
| 11:46.41 | Infinyte | nand erase? |
| 11:46.51 | Dave | smacks infinity |
| 11:46.59 | ike | :-) |
| 11:47.05 | Infinyte | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Nand_erase |
| 11:47.05 | Dave | copy lolcat! |
| 11:47.07 | Infinyte | I win |
| 11:47.08 | Infinyte | >_> |
| 11:47.12 | Dave | >:) |
| 11:47.24 | |Marco| | thanks folks |
| 11:47.32 | Dave | Yeah, thanks for playing, Infinity. |
| 11:47.34 | Dave | :) |
| 11:47.41 | Infinyte | >_> |
| 11:47.57 | Dave | hahaha |
| 11:47.58 | ike | Jacen Solo. |
| 11:48.02 | Dave | I am right. |
| 11:48.25 | Dave | He is yet, just another typo! Muwahahahaha. |
| 11:49.27 | Jacen | ike: Correct. |
| 11:50.01 | ike | Jacen: the Sith! |
| 11:50.02 | ike | :P |
| 11:50.06 | Jacen | Hmm, Debian's done. |
| 11:50.07 | Dave | s/ce/so/ |
| 11:50.11 | Dave | Does he hiss too? |
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| 11:50.16 | Jacen | >_> But it looks like a mini version of FSO |
| 11:50.19 | Dave | Welcome, alphaone :) |
| 11:50.26 | Jacen | Time to install stuff methinks? xD |
| 11:50.46 | Dave | Sim City, anyone? |
| 11:51.19 | ike | Metropolis? |
| 11:51.54 | ike | I mean Micropolis ;-) |
| 11:52.01 | Dave | :D |
| 11:52.48 | ike | Well. I've tried openttd. It looks nice. It makes people breathless. However it's hardly playable. |
| 11:52.57 | ike | I think SimCity would be the same. |
| 11:53.17 | ike | I wish I could play BaSS. Damnit. |
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| 11:53.32 | Dave | eh? |
| 11:53.46 | Dave | breathless? |
| 11:53.49 | Dave | hardly playable? |
| 11:53.57 | Dave | So what, it just has good graphics then? :P |
| 11:54.09 | ike | openttd? On a Freerunner - yup. |
| 11:54.29 | ike | Dave: try yourself. |
| 11:54.39 | Dave | What is it? |
| 11:54.55 | ike | O_o' |
| 11:55.02 | ike | Dave: http://www.openttd.org/ |
| 11:55.21 | ike | It's one of the best games in the world! |
| 11:55.31 | Dave | hardly |
| 11:55.53 | ike | shrugs. |
| 11:55.54 | HauDyr | i would agree with ike there |
| 11:56.22 | Jacen | So.. If I install xfce, will it automatically run on the next boot up? |
| 11:56.26 | Dave | So ho is it hardly playable? |
| 11:56.31 | Dave | IT runs slow as fuck? :P |
| 11:56.35 | admiral0 | *there is |
| 11:56.42 | ike | "slow as fuck" interesting. |
| 11:56.43 | HauDyr | its alteastin my top 10 :-) |
| 11:56.50 | Dave | yes? |
| 11:57.04 | HauDyr | alteastin = at least in |
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| 11:57.11 | ieatlint | hey dave |
| 11:57.23 | Zoup | when i try iwlist eth0 scan it says that resource is temporary unavailable , any idea ? |
| 11:57.23 | Dave | Howdy lint |
| 11:57.35 | ieatlint | Dave, did you say you lived near a place with nextbus? |
| 11:57.52 | Dave | Yep! |
| 11:57.53 | ike | Zoup: i think that the resource is temporary unavailable. |
| 11:57.55 | Dave | Certainly do :) |
| 11:58.01 | ieatlint | use it at all? |
| 11:58.09 | Dave | I dislike it, but occasionally yes |
| 11:58.09 | HauDyr | but i wouldent run openttd on my FR |
| 11:58.28 | Dave | I've also been trying to get some people help me write a pirated nextbus mobile app for it. |
| 11:58.32 | ieatlint | i discovered that the code i'm writing for nextbus is portable |
| 11:58.37 | Zoup | ike: im certain error message in not misleading :) its very clear that im looking for a fix ;) |
| 11:58.38 | Dave | :O |
| 11:58.44 | Dave | Ieatlint: Let's be friends!! |
| 11:58.47 | ieatlint | Dave, :) |
| 11:58.52 | Dave | :) |
| 11:58.57 | ieatlint | yes indeed, i've got the goods on it |
| 11:59.06 | ike | Zoup: ;-) dunno. maybe the WiFi is unpowered? |
| 11:59.06 | Dave | Sweeeet! |
| 11:59.08 | ieatlint | you'd be surprised what potentials there are :) |
| 11:59.17 | Dave | Do I have to sign an NDA? :P |
| 11:59.18 | spdr_ | TAsnn, beep or gprs. |
| 11:59.52 | Zoup | ike: quite possible , how can i poewr up in om2007 ? |
| 12:00.05 | ieatlint | like an application for when you're on the bus -- tells you an estimate for how long until you reach your destination, what bus stop you're at, and the one you're approaching (and perhaps what buses you can connect to, and even how long before they'd arrive) |
| 12:00.15 | ieatlint | (an idea, at the moment, but very certainly do-able) |
| 12:00.27 | ieatlint | and no, no NDA... just went through a bit of javascript |
| 12:00.50 | ieatlint | turns out the buses report their exact lon/lat, and even their speed |
| 12:01.07 | zash | wut |
| 12:01.16 | Dave | right! |
| 12:01.17 | ike | Zoup: hold power button for a while and you can turn it on in the power menu |
| 12:01.18 | Dave | goddamn |
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| 12:01.32 | Dave | I proposed a very similar idea to someone recently! |
| 12:01.33 | zash | i saw some finnish thing with a map and busses pointed out |
| 12:01.33 | ike | Zoup: it's possible to echo some 1s somewhere in /sys but i don't remember it now. |
| 12:01.34 | ieatlint | Dave, it's also all through an xml backend, no parsing html |
| 12:01.40 | Dave | ooh |
| 12:01.50 | Dave | right! |
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| 12:02.21 | ieatlint | ~1.5kb requests... so nice |
| 12:02.22 | Dave | but lint, why I was sorrowly disappointed is because from what I can tell the nextbus predictions are not based [really] on GPS location [so much so] |
| 12:02.34 | Dave | It appears to be primarily "time" based |
| 12:02.38 | ieatlint | no, they're not |
| 12:02.38 | Dave | which makes sense, but is sucky |
| 12:02.48 | ieatlint | well, you can get both |
| 12:02.49 | jucs | <- back |
| 12:03.00 | ieatlint | 1 query needed to get the bus stats, another to get predictions |
| 12:03.02 | Dave | then how come their predictions are generally inaccurate |
| 12:03.23 | Zoup | ike: its already up ,same error |
| 12:03.26 | Dave | like the bus may say 3min then arrive right then |
| 12:03.31 | ieatlint | because they suck at making a proper algorhythm |
| 12:03.40 | Dave | if it was 10s gps update, that'd never happen |
| 12:03.42 | ieatlint | that's part of why i'm writing this |
| 12:03.46 | Dave | YES! |
| 12:03.59 | ieatlint | Dave, the xml backend tells you how old the data from the bus is |
| 12:04.09 | Dave | and for the route hopping! (i.e. I'm on a bus approaching some dest/stop, where can I go from there [to get to Y]) |
| 12:04.15 | Dave | ieatlint :) |
| 12:04.16 | ieatlint | and with the lat/lon, i can tell you how far away the bus is in distance |
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| 12:04.36 | Dave | Ieatlint, and the main purpose I wanted to do this was because from what I saw they have no mobile way of doing this! |
| 12:05.02 | Dave | I was thinking of a nice small slick mobile platform |
| 12:05.02 | jucs | Hey Dave ;-) |
| 12:05.03 | ieatlint | so i can't beat their time prediction, but if it says "3minutes, the bus is currently 2000 feet away at X bus stop" ... gives you a much better idea |
| 12:05.14 | Dave | with maybe a slick nerdy overly verbose version as well ;) |
| 12:05.23 | Dave | right |
| 12:05.36 | Dave | or the bus is set to arrive in 1minute and stuck in traffic 3miles away ":P |
| 12:05.42 | Dave | right? ;D |
| 12:05.50 | ieatlint | well, it'd give you the distance |
| 12:05.54 | Dave | right |
| 12:05.58 | ike | right |
| 12:06.00 | ieatlint | and perhaps the speed of that bus (starting to get a crowded screen) |
| 12:06.02 | Dave | which to ME, I've ALWAYS thought is way more pertinent |
| 12:06.16 | Dave | ieatlint, hot |
| 12:06.20 | ike | Zoup: sorry. I don't know really. |
| 12:06.24 | ieatlint | it also doesn't need gps |
| 12:06.29 | Dave | totally |
| 12:06.37 | ieatlint | i mean, you tell it which stop you're at, and it knows where that stop is |
| 12:06.43 | Dave | right |
| 12:06.51 | ieatlint | one could put a gps feature on it... but that'd be a bit of work |
| 12:06.57 | Dave | UNLESS, you'd just like to know what your exact distance/position from the bus is |
| 12:07.02 | Dave | if you weren't at a stop, say |
| 12:07.09 | Dave | here's another case I had in mind though |
| 12:07.14 | ieatlint | well, you could also make a bus stop finder |
| 12:07.28 | Zoup | any has error message 'resourse is temporary unavailable' when iwlist scan ? |
| 12:07.29 | ieatlint | "the stop is 400 feet east" :P |
| 12:07.41 | Dave | you're at 'some place' but need to get home or to some other place, by using the bus service, have it tell you what bus/stop to take to where (even if it requires transfers!) |
| 12:07.44 | jucs | Zoup: Me |
| 12:07.52 | ieatlint | or tell you which buses serve the area 1000 feet around you |
| 12:07.53 | Dave | maybe that's a bit much, but that was my ideal use case I suppose |
| 12:07.53 | Dave | :P |
| 12:07.59 | jucs | Zoup: Try turning wireless off and on again... |
| 12:08.06 | ieatlint | Dave, that'd be a lot |
| 12:08.07 | Jacen | Hrm, what shell does 2008.8 use in the terminal? O_o |
| 12:08.33 | Dave | as opposed to, If you run > 34mph you can hop aboard this X bus on rofl Ave and ride it to your destination and hop off 1223ft later! |
| 12:08.37 | ieatlint | i want to start off small and add optional features... i've a lot of ideas on how it could be used |
| 12:08.37 | Dave | :P |
| 12:08.38 | jucs | Jacen: How did you get to the terminal in 2008.8? |
| 12:08.47 | ike | Jacen: /bin/sh which is busybux's shell. |
| 12:08.53 | ike | busybox even. |
| 12:08.54 | Dave | ieatlint, a stop finder or good stop map would be useful |
| 12:09.00 | Zoup | jucs: tried that , didnt helped |
| 12:09.06 | Dave | ieatlint, have you SEEN the nextbus "real-time map" |
| 12:09.11 | Dave | it's TERRIBLE |
| 12:09.16 | ieatlint | Dave, well, if you can plot things on some of those existing gps maps.. |
| 12:09.18 | Dave | and it doesn't even have real stop information |
| 12:09.24 | Dave | I can't stand it. |
| 12:09.25 | ieatlint | Dave, the googlemaps one isn't too bad... |
| 12:09.28 | Jacen | Oops, I meant 2007.2 But either way. |
| 12:09.35 | Dave | It also isn't clear which way the buses go if they travel in a loop! |
| 12:09.39 | Dave | (direction) |
| 12:09.42 | Dave | it's really pissing. |
| 12:09.54 | ike | Jacen: I believe it's the same. |
| 12:09.56 | jucs | Jacen: You can install bash ;-) |
| 12:10.06 | ieatlint | Dave, anyway, the data is all loaded using xml, and the data should be entirely portable |
| 12:10.15 | Jacen | Darn. >_> Well, I was wondering because bash won't let me use iwconfig. |
| 12:10.16 | Dave | Right :] |
| 12:10.18 | Jacen | In Debian I mean |
| 12:10.19 | ieatlint | so what i write for here in SF should work for you as well |
| 12:10.21 | jucs | Zoup: Well, you may want to reboot... |
| 12:10.30 | Dave | Oh, haha, portable in that sense :P |
| 12:10.33 | Jacen | Unless it just doesn't come with it, which is probably the case. arr. |
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| 12:10.52 | ieatlint | Dave, it'll also work on a regular computer, which could be useful |
| 12:10.53 | Dave | Ieatlint, I was going to say, you're currently writing it for the phone, right? ;) |
| 12:10.58 | Dave | right :) |
| 12:11.11 | ieatlint | yeah, i'm writing it for the phone |
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| 12:11.24 | ieatlint | sqlite for the backend (there's a lot of data to store) |
| 12:11.56 | Dave | hot! |
| 12:11.59 | Dave | yes, there is! |
| 12:12.09 | ieatlint | you'd have to download the data for the routes before you could use it (in the event there's any sort of copyright claim, i'm definitely not including any such data) |
| 12:12.20 | ieatlint | technically it doesn't violate their terms of service |
| 12:12.25 | Dave | haha, yeah |
| 12:12.29 | Dave | I was wodnering about that ;) |
| 12:12.34 | ieatlint | they say on each xml file "Not for commercial use" |
| 12:12.44 | Dave | haha |
| 12:12.46 | ieatlint | and on their website, it says it prohibits "screen scrapers" as well |
| 12:12.48 | Dave | oh yeah? nice >:) |
| 12:12.51 | ieatlint | well, this is neither |
| 12:12.57 | Dave | it does? |
| 12:13.00 | Dave | heh |
| 12:13.09 | ieatlint | yeah, no scripts that parse their html :P |
| 12:13.10 | Dave | I'll scrape them! Well, their windshield maybe :P |
| 12:13.19 | Dave | hahaha, oh haha and because ... haha |
| 12:13.20 | Dave | :) |
| 12:13.25 | ike | ? |
| 12:13.25 | Dave | pretty sneaky :P |
| 12:13.44 | ieatlint | Dave, if you want some fun, go to the googlemaps live page |
| 12:13.55 | ieatlint | add on "&agencyMap=true" to the url |
| 12:14.00 | Dave | :O |
| 12:14.05 | Dave | oh snaps |
| 12:14.15 | ieatlint | then once it's loaded, delete the contents of the url, and type "javascript:popupDebug()" |
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| 12:14.28 | Dave | hahahahaha |
| 12:14.34 | Dave | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.39 | ieatlint | they wrote it to be hacked |
| 12:14.44 | Dave | Apparently! |
| 12:14.46 | Dave | >:) |
| 12:14.47 | ieatlint | the xml queries even tell you why they fail |
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| 12:14.52 | Dave | sweet! |
| 12:15.04 | Dave | oh yeah, lint, we've already had a ghostbus or two, it was fun |
| 12:15.14 | ieatlint | yeah, we get those |
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| 12:15.16 | Dave | gps goes down, but comes back up episodically |
| 12:15.24 | Dave | it's when their onboard is malfunctioning :) |
| 12:15.29 | ieatlint | another reason for this... detects if the data is stale better |
| 12:15.30 | Dave | yeh, it's somewhat amusing |
| 12:15.34 | Dave | EXACTLY! |
| 12:15.37 | Dave | not OMG SURPRISE BUS! |
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| 12:15.48 | ieatlint | yep |
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| 12:15.59 | Dave | or worse, when a bus actually goes out of service early or something, but the ticker is never updated for it (for the rest of the route) |
| 12:16.02 | Dave | :( |
| 12:16.12 | Dave | I was disappointed, when I was trying to get it |
| 12:16.25 | ieatlint | oh, it also tells you how late the bus is (as per its schedule) |
| 12:16.33 | Dave | haha, they're all late |
| 12:16.36 | Dave | or early! |
| 12:16.39 | Dave | but, good, good |
| 12:16.45 | Dave | Lint, is there anything this cannot tell me!? |
| 12:16.58 | Dave | hehehe |
| 12:17.02 | ieatlint | and i've yet to confirm it, but i'm pretty sure the bus id used in the xml is the number on the bus |
| 12:17.10 | ieatlint | like "bus #3948" |
| 12:18.17 | Dave | oh hot |
| 12:18.30 | ieatlint | Dave, anyway, i've got some of the UI written, and an import script to take xml stop/route data and put it into an sql database |
| 12:18.38 | ieatlint | but i still got a ways to go... |
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| 12:18.58 | Dave | Can I be of any help? |
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| 12:19.17 | Dave | I kind of wish to contribute in some manner, since I was all hyped about doing something similar, before. |
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| 12:19.38 | ieatlint | hmmm, not sure i have all too much to spread around |
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| 12:19.47 | Dave | :\ |
| 12:19.52 | ieatlint | when i have something working, i'll send you the code |
| 12:19.53 | Dave | Alright, fine |
| 12:19.56 | ieatlint | you know c? |
| 12:19.58 | Dave | Thanks |
| 12:19.59 | Dave | Yes |
| 12:20.13 | Dave | hahaha: <!-- Popup debug window if appropriate --> |
| 12:20.13 | ieatlint | well, it's all a mess right now |
| 12:20.20 | Dave | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.24 | Dave | Hilarious :) |
| 12:20.35 | ieatlint | yep :) |
| 12:20.51 | ieatlint | all nicely commented |
| 12:20.57 | Dave | Yeah, I can't stop laughing. |
| 12:21.09 | Dave | It'll surely stop those 1995 users! >:) |
| 12:21.32 | Dave | I didn't realize that it was ALL javascript... (though it makes sense) |
| 12:21.36 | Dave | js + xml :] |
| 12:21.45 | ieatlint | too bad it's not for commercial use :P |
| 12:21.50 | Dave | hahahaha :P |
| 12:21.56 | Dave | Yeah,... too bad ;) |
| 12:22.05 | ieatlint | could make a bit of money making a setup to sell to local bars/restaurants so their customers know when the bus will come |
| 12:22.05 | Dave | *shifty-eyed wink* |
| 12:22.11 | Dave | Exactly! |
| 12:22.20 | Dave | That's kind of what I was planning actually... |
| 12:22.47 | Dave | Ieatlint, our nextbus network is primarily a service to a campus |
| 12:23.01 | Dave | college students would pay anything to get a nice slick little predictive interface on their phone. |
| 12:23.04 | Dave | >:) |
| 12:23.13 | Dave | I figured I'd be able to one-up nextbus or sell it to them. |
| 12:23.15 | Dave | :x |
| 12:23.23 | Dave | Well, there go my secret plans. |
| 12:23.44 | Tanuva | just realized you're talking about real buses, no data buses... |
| 12:23.50 | ieatlint | well, i might even try and keep the circulation of this low... i don't want to attract nextbus's attention |
| 12:23.52 | Dave | Tanuva, haha, yes. |
| 12:24.00 | Tanuva | *g* |
| 12:24.01 | Dave | ieatlint, don't wanna get got, do ya? |
| 12:24.10 | ieatlint | they can't "get" me |
| 12:24.13 | Dave | They might pick you up, one day, and drop you off in EPA :P |
| 12:24.15 | ieatlint | i don't want them closing the backend |
| 12:24.16 | Dave | hahaha |
| 12:24.18 | ieatlint | i want to use it, damnit |
| 12:24.24 | ieatlint | lol |
| 12:24.27 | ieatlint | oh dear god, not epa |
| 12:24.34 | Dave | So lint, don't take a bus, if it's empty... :P |
| 12:24.39 | ieatlint | i'd get shot |
| 12:24.39 | Dave | THEY MAY BE ONTO YOU! |
| 12:24.44 | Dave | haha, yeah you would! |
| 12:24.54 | ieatlint | ikea is there now though |
| 12:24.55 | pete_b | hi |
| 12:24.57 | Dave | by an eight-year old on a bike |
| 12:25.02 | Dave | hahah, yeah it is! |
| 12:25.06 | Dave | I liked that |
| 12:25.10 | pete_b | has anyone sucessfuly build scummvm ? |
| 12:25.15 | Dave | Man, epa has gotten so less slumlike in the past couple of years |
| 12:25.19 | Dave | but just as bad |
| 12:25.43 | Dave | Come back people, it looks nice,... oh that? that's uhh, just ignore those large red stains. |
| 12:25.55 | ieatlint | anyway, if i don't slack off too much, i should have something by monday |
| 12:26.05 | ieatlint | trying to do it right vs quick... we'll see :P |
| 12:26.15 | Dave | Well, that's a nice thought! |
| 12:26.23 | Dave | We'll see if you can hold onto that, though :P |
| 12:26.30 | Dave | na na na na na, batmon! |
| 12:27.04 | ieatlint | there's an sf openmoko user group on sept2... i plan to woo them :P |
| 12:27.12 | Dave | shit |
| 12:27.15 | Dave | I'm jealous |
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| 12:27.26 | Dave | lint, where you guys meeting up? |
| 12:27.36 | Dave | Maybe I could stop by :o |
| 12:27.40 | ieatlint | 10th and harrison, soma |
| 12:27.45 | Dave | Ah |
| 12:27.47 | Dave | :] |
| 12:27.47 | ieatlint | near civic center |
| 12:27.50 | Dave | right |
| 12:28.10 | Dave | Wonder how many will attend. |
| 12:28.30 | ieatlint | i dunno... a few methinks |
| 12:28.43 | Dave | Well, I'll be in the city on the 1st for a business deal |
| 12:28.56 | Dave | maybe I can stay over the second for this :P |
| 12:28.57 | ieatlint | on labor day? |
| 12:29.01 | Dave | I mean, it's business, right? :P |
| 12:29.18 | Dave | Lint, surprisingly, yes. |
| 12:29.28 | ike | There were 12 people on a meeting in my city. 5 of which have Freerunners. And 3 waiting for theirs. |
| 12:29.37 | Dave | But hey, what would you care, if someone was giving you big money? |
| 12:29.48 | ieatlint | true enough |
| 12:30.03 | Dave | Lint, maybe if you're lucky, you may get some ;) |
| 12:30.13 | Dave | just come down to PA for a visit sometime :) |
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| 12:30.21 | Dave | or MV |
| 12:30.30 | ieatlint | what part of PA? |
| 12:30.34 | Dave | hahaha |
| 12:30.37 | Dave | giggles |
| 12:30.46 | ieatlint | mv == mountain view? |
| 12:30.52 | Dave | Yes |
| 12:30.59 | ieatlint | what are you, google? :P |
| 12:31.02 | Dave | Lint, the good part |
| 12:31.05 | Dave | hides his credentials |
| 12:31.15 | ieatlint | hah |
| 12:31.19 | Dave | sssh |
| 12:31.25 | Dave | You're all not supposed to know that! |
| 12:31.26 | Dave | :P |
| 12:31.45 | Dave | hides |
| 12:31.50 | ieatlint | i need to hit up some of the google people i know to get a job one of these days :P |
| 12:32.14 | ieatlint | but then, even though they provide a free bus with wifi to commute to/from sf, it's still a long trip |
| 12:32.32 | Dave | Well, depending on how this goes... I'll get you a recommendation :P |
| 12:32.38 | Dave | heh, true enough |
| 12:32.45 | Dave | so mooooooooooooooooooove on down here \o/ |
| 12:32.59 | Dave | Unless you *need* to be with all your gay friends, by the bay :P |
| 12:33.02 | ieatlint | sf rules :P |
| 12:33.05 | Dave | haha |
| 12:33.07 | Dave | That it does. |
| 12:33.08 | ieatlint | hey, i like my gay friends |
| 12:33.14 | Dave | Yeah, nothing wrong with 'em :D |
| 12:33.22 | Dave | Unless they're hitting on you. |
| 12:33.26 | ieatlint | and i love the weather here :) |
| 12:33.43 | Dave | yeah, I drive into the city sometimes in the summer evenings, just to cool off! |
| 12:33.43 | ieatlint | nah, especially since most are in committed relationships |
| 12:33.49 | Dave | :] |
| 12:33.53 | Dave | MOST |
| 12:34.25 | Dave | We have got to do lunch at down castros sometime :) |
| 12:34.27 | ieatlint | plus i dislike driving, so i take public transit if possible... and that's much easier here |
| 12:34.30 | Dave | I'll take you there. |
| 12:34.41 | ieatlint | sounds good... |
| 12:34.42 | Dave | Ah, heh, yeah, true enough. |
| 12:34.46 | Dave | Don't worry, I don't mind driving ;) |
| 12:34.50 | ieatlint | and if you can make it to the users group, great |
| 12:34.53 | Dave | Even in EPA :P |
| 12:34.58 | Dave | *cringes* |
| 12:35.02 | ieatlint | you used to live in the area? |
| 12:35.08 | Dave | uhh... yeah... |
| 12:35.11 | Dave | used to... |
| 12:35.16 | Dave | looks around |
| 12:35.21 | ieatlint | hah |
| 12:35.26 | Dave | :) |
| 12:35.38 | ieatlint | shdh mean anything to you? |
| 12:35.40 | Dave | Long story, maybe I'll tell you later... |
| 12:35.44 | ike | He got tired of his gay friends prolly. |
| 12:35.48 | ike | :P |
| 12:36.06 | ieatlint | no one gets tired of gay friends... they're pretty damn entertaining |
| 12:36.22 | hipitihop | where can I find 3rd party packages for fso ? |
| 12:36.24 | Dave | :D |
| 12:36.29 | ike | Maybe Dave took some of them to <CENSORED>? |
| 12:36.53 | Dave | Well now, that's rather inflamitory. |
| 12:36.55 | ieatlint | i don't think it was censored when it happened |
| 12:37.00 | Dave | haha |
| 12:37.01 | Dave | :P |
| 12:37.09 | Dave | Maybe I abducted them on a ghostbus! |
| 12:37.14 | Dave | that's great though. |
| 12:37.45 | ieatlint | Dave, do you know gtk? |
| 12:37.58 | Dave | So I'm on an empty bus one day, heading home from the train, and it's on it's last route, so I'm up at the front and I just go, cloaking device, activate! then unplug the gps unit |
| 12:38.03 | Dave | it was cute |
| 12:38.03 | Dave | Lint, yes I do |
| 12:38.12 | Dave | Are you writing a crappy, hastily written GUI too? :D |
| 12:38.17 | Dave | I wanted to work on that :( |
| 12:38.17 | ieatlint | lol |
| 12:38.20 | ieatlint | nah |
| 12:38.22 | Dave | :P |
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| 12:38.58 | ieatlint | my plan is to put everything in a notebook, and have different pages for each... default being just one page with the semi-simplistic bus estimation |
| 12:39.37 | ieatlint | then like a config button that pops up another page to set values, and a treeview to hold the buses (and selecting a bus in the treeselection allows you to pop up more details onto a new notebook page) |
| 12:40.04 | ieatlint | idea being that one could then add their own notebook page "modules" relatively easily, and it only display what you need to save on space/ram |
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| 12:45.02 | Dave | ieatlint, sounds hot. |
| 12:45.05 | Dave | and intelligent. |
| 12:45.16 | Dave | More importantly, yes, "The right way." :P |
| 12:45.42 | Dave | I just hope you don't give up the ghost, and delve into the "fast way," while your at it. With too much pressure and excitement, and the users group steadily approaching" ;D |
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| 12:45.59 | Dave | Moreover, can I get my name put on it? :P |
| 12:47.29 | Dave | ike, get over here. |
| 12:47.34 | Dave | With your "OpenTTD" |
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| 12:48.37 | ieatlint | Dave, my intent is to get a properly written barebones app first |
| 12:48.39 | ieatlint | then expand |
| 12:48.53 | Dave | Sounds like a logical approach :) |
| 12:48.54 | |Marco| | um.. I'm supposed to be able to unlock qtopia after locking it, right ? |
| 12:49.03 | ieatlint | once the barebones is done, anyone who contributes would have a right to put their name on it methinks |
| 12:49.13 | Dave | Marco, locking the screen? or the system? |
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| 12:49.17 | Dave | tentacools? :P |
| 12:49.26 | |Marco| | Dave: screen |
| 12:49.31 | Dave | Ieatlint, I am just eager to contribute of course :) |
| 12:49.47 | Dave | I want to jump your barebones ;p |
| 12:49.52 | |Marco| | hehehehe |
| 12:50.04 | Dave | and Marco, yes, put the key in the lock, baby! |
| 12:50.06 | cga | Dave, i'm still waiting for you contribution :P |
| 12:50.08 | Dave | *click* |
| 12:50.17 | |Marco| | Dave: key's not moveing.. |
| 12:50.19 | Dave | cga, yeah well, italians must wait. |
| 12:50.22 | Dave | Marco, oops? |
| 12:50.22 | cga | lol |
| 12:50.25 | Dave | Is it frozen? |
| 12:50.28 | |Marco| | I wouldent ask otherwise |
| 12:50.32 | Dave | cga, makame a pizza? |
| 12:50.38 | cga | better spaghetti |
| 12:50.42 | Dave | pfft |
| 12:50.48 | |Marco| | dont think so, the battery charging meter is moveing |
| 12:50.51 | cga | i can't make the dough |
| 12:50.52 | Dave | o_o |
| 12:50.59 | Dave | Marco, ssh and kill the screensaver? |
| 12:51.12 | |Marco| | *test* |
| 12:51.15 | Dave | heh |
| 12:51.22 | Dave | don't blame me if it explodes! :D |
| 12:51.26 | Dave | teehee |
| 12:51.34 | Dave | meanwhile, someone get starcraft running on this bitch |
| 12:51.35 | Dave | or DOOM |
| 12:51.41 | ieatlint | hah |
| 12:51.45 | Dave | >:) |
| 12:51.49 | ieatlint | anyway, i should probably get some sleep |
| 12:52.01 | Dave | That would be the epic testament |
| 12:52.05 | Dave | Lint, oh well. |
| 12:52.09 | Dave | Rest well, friend :) |
| 12:52.24 | Dave | Tomorrow is another day! of openmoko and excitement! |
| 12:52.41 | Dave | and whimsical vehicle predictions :] |
| 12:52.45 | ieatlint | hehe, right... all the fun :P |
| 12:52.48 | ieatlint | cya |
| 12:52.51 | Dave | Later :P |
| 12:53.07 | Dave | Now it's on to berating ike, and hoping Kenyoung appears, so I can beat him. |
| 12:53.21 | Dave | kd8ikt, I guess you just lay in wait for gcwilson... |
| 12:53.22 | ike | Dave: master called? |
| 12:53.26 | Dave | YETH |
| 12:53.31 | Dave | >:) |
| 12:53.32 | |Marco| | HOLYHELLONWHEELS!!!! 75% cpu usage on qpe?? |
| 12:53.37 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 12:53.41 | Dave | Nice screensaver, eh? |
| 12:53.42 | Dave | :P |
| 12:53.47 | |Marco| | there is no way I'm sticking to qtopia if that's default |
| 12:53.50 | Dave | It's a CPU saver too, wink-wink! |
| 12:53.57 | Dave | Marco, it shouldn't be... |
| 12:53.59 | |Marco| | gaaaahhhh |
| 12:54.06 | Dave | Want me to boot my qtopia phone? |
| 12:54.11 | |Marco| | hehehe |
| 12:54.15 | |Marco| | nah |
| 12:54.16 | Dave | Ike, have you tried this game on the freerunner? |
| 12:54.26 | |Marco| | brb, toilet is calling, to much coffee |
| 12:54.38 | ike | Dave: openttd? Yes. scaredycat has it in his repo. |
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| 12:54.49 | Dave | oh hot |
| 12:54.53 | Dave | Do you like it? |
| 12:54.54 | ike | Dave: starcraft? nope since it is x86/ppc only game. |
| 12:55.17 | Dave | ike, well, first you have to port it to linux, and acceptable network protocols, of course! |
| 12:55.22 | Dave | or run wine... on the phone... haa |
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| 12:55.26 | ike | Dave: on a Freerunner? not really. As I have already written - it was hardly playable. |
| 12:55.32 | Tanuva | wine only speaks x86, too |
| 12:55.35 | Dave | ike, you could run DOOM though! |
| 12:55.43 | ike | Dave: ;-) or quake. |
| 12:55.44 | Dave | Tanuva, so port it! hahaha |
| 12:55.48 | Dave | The whole thing just screams fail :D |
| 12:55.51 | Dave | ike YES |
| 12:55.53 | Dave | GO GO GO! |
| 12:55.55 | Tanuva | you would need a whole x86 emulator |
| 12:56.17 | Tanuva | not just a win->lin translator like wine |
| 12:56.21 | Dave | Meanwhile, let's just go with games that work with the phone. |
| 12:56.22 | ike | play starcraft via quemu on a screaming fast 400Mhz ARM. |
| 12:56.31 | Dave | hahaha |
| 12:56.33 | Dave | totally! |
| 12:56.44 | Dave | or better yet, overclock it to 500MHz! |
| 12:56.55 | Dave | Marco, I'm booting my Qtopia freerunner. |
| 12:57.06 | ike | ;-) TBH it's downclocked to 400Mhz from 500Mhz. |
| 12:57.15 | Dave | It's clocked at. |
| 12:57.22 | Dave | rwhitby explained why that is. |
| 12:57.34 | Dave | Anyway, GIVE ME GAMES, ike. |
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| 12:58.26 | ike | Dave: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/ |
| 12:59.47 | ike | Be back in 5. I have to wash my dishes. :| |
| 13:00.19 | Dave | bah |
| 13:00.47 | jucs | Does anyone know where to get bfr from for the Om2007.2-release? |
| 13:00.47 | hipitihop | can someone tell me how to add something manually to the fso launcher. e.g. I have battery.py which I can run from the cli, can that be added with an icon to the launcher ? |
| 13:01.15 | Dave | openttd-0.6.0? I thought they're up to 0.6.2 or something |
| 13:01.32 | Tanuva | hipitihop: place a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications |
| 13:01.36 | Dave | heh |
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| 13:02.07 | Dave | My freerunner needs more resources :( |
| 13:02.12 | Dave | whines at speedevil |
| 13:02.23 | |Marco| | Dave: mkay |
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| 13:03.29 | Dave | I think I am going to design my own repo filtering program |
| 13:03.42 | Dave | Marco, need me to confirm anything? :P |
| 13:03.50 | cga | that qtopia rocks |
| 13:03.51 | |Marco| | nah |
| 13:04.06 | Dave | Cga, you mean sucks. |
| 13:04.07 | Tanuva | debian! |
| 13:04.17 | Dave | high-fives Tanuva |
| 13:04.19 | cga | i like qtopia , at least it works |
| 13:04.20 | |Marco| | but i'm not very impressed so far.. |
| 13:04.27 | Dave | right |
| 13:04.42 | Dave | It's essentially unusable for coolness, until it gets a browser. |
| 13:04.44 | |Marco| | cga: HEY, *spankspank* |
| 13:04.49 | Dave | :D |
| 13:05.11 | cga | pats |Marco| on the head Benny Hill like |
| 13:05.16 | |Marco| | is it fso that follows with pr default ? |
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| 13:05.22 | |Marco| | hrmf |
| 13:05.34 | |Marco| | bites cga in the butt |
| 13:05.37 | trupheenix | cga: Qtopia is )(I$)@#(*$)(*! |
| 13:05.38 | |Marco| | mohahaha |
| 13:05.59 | Dave | :D |
| 13:06.06 | Dave | fight fight fight! |
| 13:06.10 | |Marco| | hehehe |
| 13:06.11 | Dave | makes the popcorn |
| 13:06.19 | cga | trupheenix, watch your scripting please :P |
| 13:06.27 | hipitihop | Tanuva, thanks, is this a standard format documented somewhere ? |
| 13:06.28 | Dave | hlaugh |
| 13:06.32 | Wonka | my FR is about 90% idle and has 80MB of ram free. wlan works, ssh works, top works. but the screen won't light up atm... |
| 13:06.43 | Dave | heh |
| 13:06.46 | cga | hipitihop, freedesktop |
| 13:06.48 | Dave | it probably went into suspend |
| 13:07.01 | Dave | and won't completely "wakeup" |
| 13:07.29 | Wonka | er, no. a short "logread" helped... |
| 13:07.43 | Wonka | neod and avahi-daemon killed by oom-killer. |
| 13:08.10 | Wonka | back yesterday, when /var/volatile was filled with 80MB of x.log |
| 13:08.46 | Wonka | this is... unsatisfactory ;) |
| 13:09.52 | Wonka | X was shutdown too, but left /tmp/.X0-lock |
| 13:10.22 | Wonka | lol... |
| 13:10.23 | Wonka | ** (openmoko-today:2734): WARNING **: Error loading icon: Icon 'fixme' not present in theme |
| 13:12.28 | johngay | So you just need a 'fixme' icon (; |
| 13:12.53 | ike | Freerunner is going down. oom-killer spotted at the scene. Freerunner is down. |
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| 13:14.17 | johngay | Maybe oom-killer should kill oom-killer first? |
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| 13:14.46 | hipitihop | t |
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| 13:14.54 | hipitihop | Tanuva, once a *.desktop file is added, how does one restart launcher ? |
| 13:15.12 | Dave | killa! |
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| 13:16.00 | Tanuva | hipitihop: one doesn't, illume automatically adds the icon |
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| 13:18.14 | hipitihop | Tanuva, I installed opkg install battery_0.20080721_armv4t.ipk but no icon on ilume. but there is a battery.desktop file |
| 13:18.55 | Tanuva | in /usr/share/applications? |
| 13:20.12 | Dave | haha qtopia |
| 13:20.24 | Dave | for all its coolness is still failicious in the most subliminal of ways :\ |
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| 13:20.37 | Dave | they make it so usable and cool with their contextual menu buttons etc |
| 13:20.41 | Dave | but when they fail |
| 13:20.43 | Zoup | clicking on thing in om2007 always make this tegh tegh sound , how can i disable that ? |
| 13:20.43 | Dave | they fail hard! |
| 13:20.53 | Dave | Zoup, good question! |
| 13:21.16 | Dave | comment out: load-sample touchscreen in /etc/pulse/session |
| 13:21.16 | hipitihop | Tanuva, yes |
| 13:21.29 | Dave | then no more annoying clicky sound! |
| 13:21.34 | Tanuva | hipitihop: hm. which distro are you using? :D |
| 13:21.42 | Zoup | interesting :) where can i set ring tones , etc ? same file ? |
| 13:21.54 | hipitihop | Tanuva, fso-testing |
| 13:22.01 | Dave | yep, I think so |
| 13:22.10 | Dave | if there isn't a more formal way of adding ringtones |
| 13:22.12 | Dave | I'm unsure |
| 13:22.45 | Dave | Awesome, so now that I've added an [incorrect] wireless lan network to my Internet Settings in Qtopia, I have no way of removing it. |
| 13:23.04 | Dave | and it's using 50% of the cpu just sitting there trying to connect to it (with incorrect settings) |
| 13:23.07 | Tanuva | hipitihop: really strange. ah, no it's not. paste the desktop file somewhere, please |
| 13:23.09 | Dave | What's more, I have no way of editing it. |
| 13:23.10 | Tanuva | :) |
| 13:23.14 | Dave | Man, Qtopia is SO cool. -_-; |
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| 13:24.10 | ike | Dave: but have no (fun) games. |
| 13:24.16 | Dave | no games, n |
| 13:24.18 | Dave | no |
| 13:24.23 | Dave | goddamnit, leinir! |
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| 13:24.30 | nyu | hi |
| 13:24.42 | nyu | anyone knows where's the ringtone stored? |
| 13:24.50 | nyu | I want to replace it |
| 13:24.58 | Dave | On OM2007.2? |
| 13:25.14 | nyu | uhm I don't know. adquired it recently, this month |
| 13:25.19 | Dave | Well, the default ringtone appears to be stored in /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/ringtone_classy.wav |
| 13:25.27 | Dave | set in /etc/pulse/session |
| 13:25.31 | nyu | ah, ok |
| 13:25.34 | Dave | better to check the wiki |
| 13:25.37 | nyu | is ogg supported, or just wav? |
| 13:25.42 | lambda | hi folks |
| 13:25.50 | hipitihop | Tanuva, rebooting standby |
| 13:25.53 | jucs | Wuhu, I got internet radio to work :-D |
| 13:26.14 | lambda | when i attempt to boot ASU on SD i get a kernel panic ! |
| 13:26.20 | Dave | nyu, it should be, yes :) |
| 13:26.21 | lambda | VFS: cannot open root device "mmcblk0p2" or unknown-block (179,2) |
| 13:26.27 | Dave | rut roh |
| 13:26.29 | nyu | Dave: cool, thanks |
| 13:26.29 | jucs | Well, not really.... with 5MB buffer it works for ... 3 minutes... |
| 13:26.32 | lambda | please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are the available partitions: |
| 13:26.43 | Dave | You have been corrupted by teh ASU! |
| 13:27.01 | lambda | so the kernel boots |
| 13:27.04 | nyu | btw, does this thing run X? I wonder if I can install debian/arm and run X clients in a chroot |
| 13:27.06 | lambda | but rootfs lacks |
| 13:27.11 | Dave | nyu, yes they can be in ogg-vorbis format or wav :) |
| 13:27.22 | Dave | nyum probably |
| 13:27.24 | Dave | Yes it does |
| 13:27.29 | nyu | great |
| 13:27.33 | mjr | nyu, depends on the distro; if you run plain qtopia, it doesn't do X |
| 13:27.36 | Dave | There's already a debian port! |
| 13:27.41 | nyu | I only wish the software was a bit more stable |
| 13:27.41 | mjr | if you run any of the others, yes |
| 13:27.54 | nyu | Dave: yeah I heard about it. but I don't want to compromise the core functionality with that (yet) |
| 13:28.04 | nyu | mjr: is qtopia the default one? |
| 13:28.09 | lambda | i set u-boot line command like this GTA01Bv4 # setenv menu_5 Boot from SDHC: setenv bootargs root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 console=tty0 rootdelay=5 neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00004000(u-boot_env),0x00200000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash)\; nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel\; bootm 0x32000000 |
| 13:28.13 | lambda | any idea please? |
| 13:28.16 | mjr | no |
| 13:28.20 | Dave | rut roh |
| 13:28.28 | nyu | btw, is there any more handy way to check the clock than starting a terminal and typing 'date'? ;-) |
| 13:30.23 | Dave | nyu, does it not display on the home screen? |
| 13:30.48 | hipitihop | Tanuva, http://pastebin.com/d198e95ff |
| 13:31.04 | Dave | Uggh |
| 13:31.07 | Dave | motherfucking qtopia |
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| 13:33.07 | cga | nyu, openmoko-panel-clock |
| 13:33.34 | Tanuva | hipitihop: add "Office" to "Categories" - illume doesn't display all categories, maybe Application and System are not marked for display... |
| 13:33.38 | rep | Dave: what's wrong with qtopia? ;) |
| 13:34.30 | Wonka | .oO( the qt ) |
| 13:34.37 | hipitihop | Tanuva, e.g. tangogps has GTK;Application;PIM |
| 13:34.51 | Tanuva | hipitihop: hmm... now it's getting really strange |
| 13:35.21 | Tanuva | hipitihop: try removing the last ; after the System category.. |
| 13:35.33 | Tanuva | I don't know if that changes anything, but it might |
| 13:36.14 | Dave | rep! |
| 13:36.17 | Dave | It's you! |
| 13:36.22 | cga | Tanuva, why doesn't illume show all categories by default?? is it a bug or is it done on purpouse? |
| 13:36.34 | Tanuva | cga: don't ask me... :) |
| 13:36.39 | cga | eh |
| 13:36.41 | Dave | Tanuva, yes, the categories menu interpretation is weird and fucked up. |
| 13:36.47 | Dave | I can explain it if you want to know. |
| 13:36.55 | Tanuva | yep, I want |
| 13:36.57 | cga | IMHO at least should have a configuration for showing them |
| 13:37.00 | Dave | cga, no the menus category tagging is just fucked up :) |
| 13:37.04 | cga | ok |
| 13:37.11 | Dave | If you want I can tell you the answer you seek. |
| 13:37.16 | cga | indeed |
| 13:37.27 | Dave | e.g. I want to make X appear in Menus Y & Z, how do I do this. |
| 13:37.33 | Dave | I am familiar with it's failures :P |
| 13:37.38 | Dave | and frailties |
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| 13:37.55 | hipitihop | Tanuva, nope, removing last ; did not help |
| 13:38.17 | hipitihop | trusts Tanuva that iume refreshes without restarting anything |
| 13:38.29 | Tanuva | hipitihop: then I've no further idea... really strange, that always worked fine for me on fsom2 |
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| 13:38.47 | Tanuva | yes, it even accepted changes in an existing file |
| 13:39.04 | hipitihop | is it something to do with a missing icon file in the ipkg file or similar ? |
| 13:39.45 | Tanuva | shouldn't be, I fiddled around with icons a bit, too, and if it didn't find the icon the entry was there anyway |
| 13:40.33 | ike | Hm. Anyone knows how to turn off gsmd in Om2008.08? |
| 13:40.55 | hipitihop | should I try and match one of the working existing categorie lists ? |
| 13:41.05 | Dave | hipitihop: WHAT DO YOU WANT? |
| 13:41.22 | Dave | I WILL TELL YOU HOW TO FIX IT. |
| 13:41.32 | Tanuva | omg, god's speaking |
| 13:41.38 | Dave | AFFIRMATIVE. |
| 13:41.45 | Dave | :) |
| 13:41.55 | jucs | I request an Intel Quadcore for the gta03 XD |
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| 13:42.05 | Dave | NEGATORY |
| 13:42.08 | Dave | jucs! :p |
| 13:42.11 | jucs | :-P |
| 13:42.15 | ike | x86? |
| 13:42.18 | ike | Are you nuts? |
| 13:42.23 | jucs | x64 :-P |
| 13:42.27 | ike | We're leet. We should use Cell! |
| 13:42.34 | jucs | :-D |
| 13:42.37 | hipitihop | Dave, I installed opkg install battery_0.20080721_armv4t.ipk but it does not show up on ilume/launcher despite a battery.descktop file present |
| 13:43.22 | hipitihop | Dave, contentes here http://pastebin.com/d198e95ff |
| 13:43.40 | ike | Dave, FIX IT! |
| 13:43.54 | hipitihop | God, FIX IT ! |
| 13:44.09 | ShellEvil | Ah - the appeal to deities. |
| 13:44.16 | ShellEvil | When the existing coders have failed. |
| 13:44.31 | ike | "existing coders"? |
| 13:44.42 | ShellEvil | Just because God is omnipotent doesn't mean he wants to read your code. |
| 13:46.34 | Dave | hipitihop: correct, it appears in Utilities, under GTK |
| 13:46.53 | Dave | You want it to appear under what? |
| 13:47.02 | jucs | Another try, maybe now it works :-D |
| 13:47.08 | nyu | Dave: it appears that only the first 3/4 seconds of ringtone are actually played |
| 13:47.11 | nyu | in a loop |
| 13:47.31 | hipitihop | ShellEvil, same goes for omniscient |
| 13:47.43 | nyu | can this be disabled? |
| 13:47.49 | nyu | I want it to play the whole thing |
| 13:48.01 | Dave | Hipitihop, you want it to display along with all the other regular applications? |
| 13:48.17 | Dave | nyu, when a phonecall is received? |
| 13:48.28 | nyu | Dave: yes |
| 13:48.30 | hipitihop | Dave, I had no idea I could display categories as the fso-testing appears to have single desktop/launcher with icons. That is where I would like it to show |
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| 13:48.38 | Dave | hmm, yes, sounds like a conflict-of-interest bug |
| 13:48.39 | Dave | :P |
| 13:48.53 | Dave | or just a bug in general |
| 13:49.06 | Dave | hipitihop: oh, okay |
| 13:49.11 | Dave | do this, and tell me the results :) |
| 13:49.25 | hipitihop | Dave, unless you want to show me how to flip ddesktop pages or something based on categories |
| 13:49.38 | Dave | What are you using, anyway? |
| 13:49.45 | Dave | Clearly NOT Openmoko 2007/2008 |
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| 13:51.19 | hipitihop | Dave, fso-testing as per the auto built stuff rwhitby gens |
| 13:51.29 | Zoup | anyway to remote starting big clock of om2007 ? |
| 13:51.40 | Dave | oh, so, fso |
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| 13:52.44 | Dave | jucs |
| 13:52.59 | Dave | hipitihop |
| 13:53.19 | jucs | yes? |
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| 13:53.28 | jucs | Is it possible that the freerunner is too slow to decode ogg? |
| 13:53.36 | Dave | no, impossible |
| 13:53.55 | Dave | it runs ogg fine (unfortunately) :P |
| 13:53.56 | jucs | But this runs into buffer underrun: wget --quiet -O - http://sask1-2.radio.pionier.net.pl:8000/pl/bluefm.ogg | oggdec --raw -o - - | bfr -i 1024kb -b 1024kb | aplay --file-type=raw --format=S16_LE --channels=2 --rate=48000 |
| 13:54.09 | hipitihop | Dave ? yes I'm running and fso build. |
| 13:54.22 | hipitihop | looks like 1180 here: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=5 |
| 13:54.25 | phrozen77 | has his freerunner now |
| 13:54.29 | phrozen77 | i now has a happy :D |
| 13:54.37 | Dave | eh? |
| 13:54.39 | jucs | And oggdec uses ~60% of the CPU, top says... |
| 13:54.58 | Dave | anyway, hipitihop, did you try to change Categories to just Application; ? |
| 13:55.28 | phrozen77 | whats fso spoken out? |
| 13:56.23 | Dave | hipitihop? |
| 13:56.32 | hipitihop | just tried, no difference |
| 13:56.34 | Tanuva | phrozen77: freesmartphone.org |
| 13:56.40 | Dave | did you restartx afterward? |
| 13:56.42 | Dave | :P |
| 13:56.57 | jucs | (2008-08-23 15:53:55) Dave: it runs ogg fine (unfortunately) :P <- Why, don't you like ogg? |
| 13:57.10 | Dave | Correct :P |
| 13:57.11 | hipitihop | Dave, was that aimed at me ? |
| 13:57.25 | jucs | Why? Do you prefer the proprietary mp3? |
| 13:57.33 | Dave | no |
| 13:57.38 | Dave | hipitihop YES |
| 13:57.58 | jucs | So, what's wrong about ogg? |
| 13:58.15 | Dave | Personal dislike, and hatred. |
| 13:58.18 | hipitihop | Dave, do you have proper cli command for restart |
| 13:58.30 | jucs | o.O |
| 13:58.46 | Dave | hipitihop: presumably, /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
| 13:58.47 | ike | ;D |
| 13:59.13 | Dave | Hope it works for you :) |
| 13:59.33 | hipitihop | Dave, can I do that from my ssh session or must be on fr proper ? |
| 13:59.36 | mjr | loves his Commando.sid ringtune |
| 13:59.52 | Dave | hipitihop: sure you can do it from terminal |
| 13:59.54 | Dave | ssh, whatever |
| 13:59.55 | Dave | :) |
| 14:00.02 | Dave | you don't require a DISPLAY |
| 14:00.11 | Dave | mjr, well, aren't we special :) |
| 14:00.25 | ike | Using 8bit ringtones in 2008. |
| 14:00.39 | Dave | because we're going back in time. |
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| 14:01.29 | mjr | hey, it's polyphonic! |
| 14:01.34 | Dave | hipitihop, did it work? |
| 14:02.09 | hipitihop | restart worked, but still nothing new on desktop |
| 14:03.05 | Dave | uhh |
| 14:03.11 | Dave | hrm, I'm unfamiliar with FSO |
| 14:03.16 | Dave | but I could make shots in the dark |
| 14:03.31 | Dave | hipitihop, is there a non-office like app on the desktop you can paste the .desktop file for? :) |
| 14:03.42 | Dave | and INSTALLED app |
| 14:03.47 | Dave | not something that came with it |
| 14:03.57 | hipitihop | Dave, tangogps |
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| 14:04.53 | Dave | hipitihop: What's tangogps.desktop's Categories line? |
| 14:04.58 | Dave | for you |
| 14:05.02 | hipitihop | Dave, hold on, Tango suggests its office |
| 14:05.20 | hipitihop | Dave actually has two ;-) |
| 14:05.35 | Dave | Please paste the line :P |
| 14:05.52 | hipitihop | Dave 1 = Categories=GTK;Application;PIM |
| 14:05.52 | Dave | I am trying to ascertain how FSO doesn't it's crappy category handling |
| 14:06.02 | Dave | hah, yeah |
| 14:06.05 | Dave | okay :P |
| 14:06.13 | hipitihop | Dave, 2 = Categories=Office; |
| 14:06.22 | Dave | wtf :D |
| 14:06.30 | Dave | It has two Categories lines? |
| 14:06.41 | hipitihop | yip, I'll pastebin standby |
| 14:06.48 | Dave | please do |
| 14:06.52 | Dave | :P |
| 14:07.33 | hipitihop | Dave, http://pastebin.com/d33f4db6d |
| 14:07.38 | Dave | thanks |
| 14:08.16 | Dave | lowell |
| 14:08.18 | Dave | haha |
| 14:08.27 | Dave | hipitihop, care to test this with me? :) |
| 14:08.45 | hipitihop | Dave, sure if it will help someone or prove a bug |
| 14:08.47 | Dave | Change Battery's .desktop to have Categories=Office; only |
| 14:08.55 | Dave | remove the Application; part |
| 14:09.04 | hipitihop | k |
| 14:09.05 | Dave | then restart X and see if it did anything |
| 14:09.06 | Dave | :P |
| 14:10.09 | hipitihop | Dave, appeared instantly, no nead for restart |
| 14:10.15 | Dave | :D |
| 14:10.23 | Dave | nice |
| 14:10.40 | Dave | hipitihop, not to spoil your party, but mind changing it once more? :P |
| 14:10.52 | hipitihop | np |
| 14:10.58 | Dave | Categories=GTK;Application;PIM |
| 14:11.03 | Dave | no more Office; |
| 14:11.08 | Dave | then see if it disappears, or stays ;) |
| 14:12.13 | hipitihop | Dave, ** pooof ** |
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| 14:12.16 | Dave | Good :) |
| 14:12.22 | Dave | It SHOULD disappear if this is FSO |
| 14:12.35 | hipitihop | care to explain |
| 14:12.35 | Dave | since it has a separate set of category handlers, which appear to be functioning :P |
| 14:12.38 | Dave | So change it back to Office; |
| 14:12.42 | Dave | and it should be good :) |
| 14:12.48 | hipitihop | k, thanks for th ehelp |
| 14:12.51 | Dave | Yeah I could explain a little, if you'd like. |
| 14:13.01 | hipitihop | is any of this documented anywhere |
| 14:13.05 | Dave | Basically each distro has their own intepretation of how to handle the category handlers |
| 14:13.08 | Dave | I wish there was, maybe? |
| 14:13.09 | pete_b | how can i rotate the display from a terminal ? |
| 14:13.12 | Dave | Other than the source code. |
| 14:13.24 | Dave | pete_b, xrandr -o |
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| 14:13.33 | Dave | and the orientation you want |
| 14:13.35 | pete_b | thx |
| 14:13.38 | Dave | like xrandr -o 1 |
| 14:14.20 | Dave | hipitihop, unfortunately, not only does each distro's interpretation of these Categories appear to be different, but, some of their Category systems don't even work properly yet |
| 14:14.39 | Dave | No one really complains because they -work- in some manner, even if they are unsorted and not great. |
| 14:14.59 | Dave | Like in your case it prevented you from accessing the application but mostly it just puts it in an inconveniently accessible location |
| 14:15.06 | Dave | or you have ALL the apps in one giant menu |
| 14:15.10 | Dave | which too, sucks. |
| 14:15.22 | hipitihop | I see. thanks |
| 14:15.31 | Dave | So I've been reworking the .desktops and Categories, in hopes to better this :) |
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| 14:15.35 | Dave | Yeah, like in GTK |
| 14:15.42 | hipitihop | so on to more important things, have we any decent games on this thing yet :-) |
| 14:15.49 | Dave | Categories=Games doesn't make shit show up in games |
| 14:16.01 | Dave | which is the default for any Freerunner Game |
| 14:16.06 | Dave | however, Categories=Game does! |
| 14:16.09 | Dave | stupid, right? |
| 14:16.14 | hipitihop | indeed |
| 14:16.15 | ike | Right. |
| 14:16.27 | hipitihop | so you are working on this part of things |
| 14:16.29 | Dave | also GTK;Application;PIM doesn't make applications show up in the PIM menu |
| 14:16.36 | Dave | but GTK;Application;Office does! |
| 14:16.39 | Dave | retarded :P |
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| 14:16.46 | hipitihop | braindead |
| 14:16.50 | Dave | hipitihop, I'm trying to, yes! :) |
| 14:16.56 | Dave | I hope to contribute it to OM soon :P |
| 14:17.01 | Dave | hopefully they listen :) |
| 14:17.11 | Dave | Seems like an obvious fix though |
| 14:17.14 | hipitihop | these things should work like a basic tag system no ? |
| 14:17.29 | Dave | but getting each and every distro to use and adhear to the same Category labels, might be a bit difficult :| |
| 14:17.36 | Dave | hipitihop: It SHOULD, ideally |
| 14:17.50 | Dave | but clearly not even if a single system is broken, which in the case of GTK it appears to be the case. |
| 14:17.55 | Dave | It can't even tell what it wants! |
| 14:18.24 | Dave | Well what likely happened is the person who initially coded it, put it in a way which he thought people would do like he did. But of course, people did what they thought was right, and left it as is. |
| 14:18.27 | hipitihop | Dave, the categories should probably be arbitrary and up to each distro but we need a meta definition for them I guess |
| 14:18.29 | Dave | so of course there are disconnects |
| 14:18.36 | Dave | RIGHT! |
| 14:18.37 | Dave | :) |
| 14:18.47 | Dave | Then we just need to convert the unbelievers! >:) |
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| 14:18.51 | Dave | or form a cabal :p |
| 14:18.58 | hipitihop | :p |
| 14:19.10 | phrozen77 | uhm |
| 14:19.12 | phrozen77 | how do i go into the settings? |
| 14:19.25 | hipitihop | Dave, what are you coding in at this level ? |
| 14:19.26 | CVirus | /dev/cabal |
| 14:19.29 | Dave | I'll probably just try to be the first to define a general standard and spam the hell out of the maintainers :P |
| 14:19.44 | Dave | Virus! |
| 14:19.54 | CVirus | damn |
| 14:20.07 | CVirus | Dave: won't you ever mention my nickname correctly ? |
| 14:20.15 | Dave | At this point, no. |
| 14:20.20 | CVirus | I see |
| 14:20.38 | Dave | It is far too entertaining to constantly antagonize you about it. |
| 14:20.45 | Dave | Plus, I thought it was our special game :P |
| 14:20.55 | CVirus | lol |
| 14:20.57 | ike | Well. I think that Debian has very nice menu system which is well defined. |
| 14:21.08 | Dave | ;) |
| 14:21.18 | Dave | ike, yeah, but many unfortunately are anti-debian |
| 14:21.34 | Dave | so they're probably just arbitrarily oppose any suggestions we made |
| 14:21.37 | ike | Who cares if one is anti-debian or pro-debian since we have a cabal here? |
| 14:21.38 | Dave | (bastards) |
| 14:21.46 | Dave | haha, we do? :) |
| 14:21.50 | phrozen77 | how do i go into the settings? |
| 14:21.52 | Dave | other than the Official OM developers |
| 14:21.53 | Dave | :P |
| 14:22.09 | Dave | Come on, we can't just have a invititation only cabal |
| 14:22.13 | Dave | these things have to be SEKRET |
| 14:22.20 | Dave | puts on his cloak |
| 14:22.29 | hipitihop | thanks for the lesson and assist Dave. Good luck with the cabal |
| 14:22.40 | Dave | Sure :) |
| 14:22.47 | Dave | Hit me up if you need any more assistance :) |
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| 14:23.22 | hipitihop | thanks, tons to learn and one day will contribute myself. but now I must off to sleep |
| 14:23.54 | Dave | Alright, sleep well :) |
| 14:24.47 | hipitihop | Dave, I'd like to get squeak running on this. Who's got the skills to compile the VM for me |
| 14:28.00 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 14:28.11 | phrozen77 | for some reason it seems my power button is now without function |
| 14:28.15 | phrozen77 | is this something known? |
| 14:29.19 | quickdev | phrozen77, is your phone on or off? |
| 14:29.22 | phrozen77 | on |
| 14:29.38 | quickdev | phrozen77, press it more than 8 seconds |
| 14:29.39 | phrozen77 | i used it to disable wifi |
| 14:29.55 | hipitihop | waves goodnight to all |
| 14:30.02 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 14:30.05 | quickdev | phrozen77, ah, which image are you using? |
| 14:30.07 | phrozen77 | nothing happens |
| 14:30.08 | phrozen77 | uhm |
| 14:30.11 | phrozen77 | just received |
| 14:30.22 | phrozen77 | whatever it is on it by default |
| 14:30.59 | Dave | heehee |
| 14:31.03 | Dave | bye :) |
| 14:31.15 | Dave | phrozen77: neod probably crapped out |
| 14:31.25 | phrozen77 | so |
| 14:31.27 | phrozen77 | ? |
| 14:31.45 | Dave | What image is this? GTK? |
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| 14:32.17 | phrozen77 | Dave, whatever is on it by default |
| 14:32.28 | phrozen77 | how am i supposed to make a / on that keyboard` |
| 14:32.35 | Dave | haha |
| 14:32.41 | Dave | hit zero a lot? |
| 14:32.45 | Dave | otherwise, I'm not sure you can :) |
| 14:32.51 | phrozen77 | wtf |
| 14:32.58 | Dave | I replaced that keyboard a long time ago |
| 14:33.05 | phrozen77 | and how exactly would i go with restarting that neod? |
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| 14:33.15 | Dave | restart the phone, unfortunately |
| 14:33.20 | Dave | but see if it's not something else |
| 14:33.30 | Dave | honestly, to me it was just easier on my sanity to restart the phone |
| 14:33.30 | phrozen77 | meh |
| 14:33.37 | Dave | are you using the latest kernel/software? |
| 14:33.56 | phrozen77 | i just unpackaged it 30 mins ago |
| 14:33.56 | phrozen77 | so no |
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| 14:34.02 | Dave | oh! :D |
| 14:34.13 | Dave | Congratulations! :) |
| 14:34.29 | Dave | Welcome to the wonderful world of openmoko! |
| 14:34.35 | phrozen77 | mhm ty |
| 14:34.53 | nyu | any idea how to adjust the ringtone length? |
| 14:35.12 | Dave | uhh |
| 14:35.21 | nyu | 3-4 seconds isn't long enough to play the free software song :-/ |
| 14:35.46 | nyu | I hope this doesn't need code changes; I don't have a build env handy |
| 14:35.47 | Dave | wow |
| 14:35.53 | Dave | nyu :) |
| 14:36.00 | Dave | don't worry |
| 14:36.17 | nyu | and not much time to hack, TBH :-( |
| 14:37.11 | Dave | right right |
| 14:37.12 | Dave | that's okay |
| 14:37.17 | Dave | That's what the openmoko people are for! |
| 14:37.40 | nyu | ah, well. got any solution? :-) |
| 14:38.19 | Dave | Not yet :) |
| 14:38.26 | Dave | Other people may know |
| 14:38.36 | Dave | Let me see, if the wiki has anything remotely interesting on this matter. |
| 14:38.52 | nyu | I searched there, but couldn't find |
| 14:39.10 | nyu | I suppose this must be a common request? |
| 14:39.11 | Dave | Currently according to the wiki it seems that it is forced into a loop |
| 14:39.13 | Dave | yes |
| 14:39.33 | nyu | well, not particularly to play the FSS, but other long tones ;-) |
| 14:39.56 | nyu | yeah, I noticed this. the default ringtone is much longer (filled with silence) than what the FR plays |
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| 14:40.41 | nyu | I wonder what's the point of this, instead of just shipping a shorter (and smaller) tone |
| 14:41.08 | lindi- | the default ringtone is also non-free :) |
| 14:41.17 | Dave | ah |
| 14:41.27 | Dave | unsure |
| 14:41.28 | Dave | lindi, haha |
| 14:41.45 | Dave | looking at the FSO_Ringtones just scares me :p |
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| 14:41.47 | Dave | heehe |
| 14:41.56 | lindi- | (no permission given for commercial redistribution as far as i know) |
| 14:41.56 | Dave | time to try out openttd, ike ;) |
| 14:41.56 | bumbl | hi Dave |
| 14:42.04 | Dave | hey bumble :D |
| 14:42.24 | nyu | lindi-: ugh |
| 14:42.51 | white_gecko | i also want to have openttd |
| 14:42.57 | white_gecko | is there a ipkg? |
| 14:43.10 | nyu | lindi-: do you know a way to replace it with a longer one? |
| 14:43.32 | Dave | white_gecko, yes... |
| 14:43.41 | lindi- | nyu: cp should be a way to replace it? |
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| 14:44.07 | nyu | lindi-: there's a hardcoded max length |
| 14:44.14 | Dave | unfortunately clicking its application icon seems to not do anything. |
| 14:44.20 | Dave | nyu, yes, and that is retarded. |
| 14:44.20 | lindi- | nyu: but you can change that? |
| 14:44.23 | nyu | it truncates longer songs |
| 14:44.43 | Dave | I believe on the wishlist there is an item for this specifying a global maximum which should be software specified |
| 14:44.51 | nyu | lindi-: I got no idea how, and would really like to avoid getting my hands dirty with the code right now |
| 14:44.54 | Dave | nyu, truncating isn't bad, but sucky |
| 14:45.02 | Dave | lindi likes getting dirty... :P |
| 14:45.12 | jucs | Does anyone why the freerunner sometimes hangs completely when charging? Has anyone experienced this? |
| 14:45.17 | jucs | while* |
| 14:45.21 | jucs | know* |
| 14:45.24 | nyu | I experienced some hangs |
| 14:45.28 | Dave | hangs? |
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| 14:45.35 | nyu | can live with it though |
| 14:45.46 | nyu | Dave: UI became unresponsive and had to shutdown, IIRC |
| 14:45.46 | jucs | Everything freezes, you can't turn off without taking the battery out... |
| 14:45.55 | jucs | it* |
| 14:45.55 | nyu | ah, not that |
| 14:45.58 | Dave | oh, lame |
| 14:46.13 | jucs | It usually only happens while charging.... |
| 14:46.15 | nyu | and found other minor bugs. anyway, I can live with those too |
| 14:46.31 | nyu | if I could just play the free software song!! |
| 14:46.32 | Dave | fuck you, scaredycat! |
| 14:46.40 | Dave | jucs, I blame you. |
| 14:46.42 | jucs | Free Software Song? |
| 14:46.49 | Zorkman | yo Dave |
| 14:46.56 | Dave | I have not experienced that, and I have experienced pretty much all power issues possible :P |
| 14:47.00 | Dave | unfortunately :( |
| 14:47.05 | lindi- | nyu: it's python, you should be changing it all the time :) |
| 14:47.11 | nyu | jucs: http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.html |
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| 14:47.21 | nyu | lindi-: haven't learnt python yet |
| 14:47.33 | Dave | :) |
| 14:47.40 | Dave | nyu, yeah I'm trying to do that at the moment :) |
| 14:47.44 | lindi- | perfect opportunity :) |
| 14:47.51 | nyu | lindi-: ENOTIME :-( |
| 14:47.53 | Dave | other than wrestling with crappy applications |
| 14:48.08 | Dave | nyu, no chance to survive? |
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| 14:48.24 | nyu | Dave: ?? |
| 14:48.42 | jucs | Oh my gosh :-D |
| 14:48.51 | phrozen77 | Dave, how can i open the settings? |
| 14:48.52 | lindi- | to me it looks like the gsm chip changes status which causes it to stop playing the ringtone |
| 14:48.53 | Dave | 404 LAWL |
| 14:49.02 | Dave | phrozen77: what settings? for what exactly? |
| 14:49.04 | lindi- | if msgType == "0": # setup (MT) |
| 14:49.05 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:49.11 | Dave | lindi: haw |
| 14:49.11 | nyu | lindi-: how is gsm related to this? |
| 14:49.14 | phrozen77 | uhm some general settings and stuff? |
| 14:49.26 | jucs | Singing is definitly not his destiny... |
| 14:49.28 | Dave | it's hilariously and unfortunately and unjustly related or interfering with everything! |
| 14:49.39 | Dave | nyu, you go to nyu by any chance? :D |
| 14:49.52 | nyu | Dave: no, that's Catalan for "gnu" |
| 14:49.55 | lindi- | nyu: and the RingReceiver keeps on playing as long as "status":"incoming" exists |
| 14:50.04 | phrozen77 | meh |
| 14:50.04 | Dave | bah |
| 14:50.07 | lindi- | it could of course have many other explanations :) |
| 14:50.19 | phrozen77 | can somebody tell me how i can for instance access the wifi dialog? |
| 14:50.32 | nyu | lindi-: ok I'll give up for now ;-) |
| 14:51.02 | phrozen77 | fwiw, my cats love the laserpointer |
| 14:51.02 | phrozen77 | :D |
| 14:51.11 | nyu | lindi-: got debian/arm in the SD? |
| 14:51.23 | lindi- | nyu: yes |
| 14:51.41 | nyu | lindi-: could you quick-check if wesnoth renders well in that screen? |
| 14:51.59 | Dave | fuck |
| 14:51.59 | phrozen77 | In the Settings application on Om2008.8, there's a "WiFi" item |
| 14:52.09 | phrozen77 | WHERE THE HELL IS THIS APP? |
| 14:52.10 | phrozen77 | meh |
| 14:52.15 | Dave | It doesn't exist yet? |
| 14:52.24 | Dave | Why are you using 2008.8 ? Especially if you just got your phone? |
| 14:52.25 | Dave | :D |
| 14:52.26 | lindi- | nyu: can't i run wesnoth on my x86 system and show it on openmoko? |
| 14:52.27 | Dave | baller. |
| 14:52.35 | Tanuva | why does everyone want a wlan gui, it works perfectly from a terminal... |
| 14:52.40 | nyu | lindi-: works too |
| 14:52.45 | Dave | right |
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| 14:53.04 | lindi- | nyu: maybe later today, i need to enter some roads into openstreetmap first |
| 14:53.13 | Dave | hah |
| 14:53.16 | jucs | Tanuva: Just because you'll need 5 minutes to connect to a network... |
| 14:53.20 | nyu | lindi-: ah, nice |
| 14:53.29 | Dave | beats ike |
| 14:53.32 | jucs | It would be no problem at all if you had a keyboard... |
| 14:54.43 | Dave | heh |
| 14:54.55 | Dave | Grawr |
| 14:57.22 | Dave | uggh |
| 14:58.06 | Dave | Dear OpenTTD, fix your website, and your crummy software. |
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| 14:59.19 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 14:59.32 | phrozen77 | why do i get permission denied when i try to ssh into the phone |
| 14:59.38 | Dave | huh? |
| 14:59.41 | phrozen77 | the webpage states the pass is blank |
| 14:59.43 | nyu | phrozen77: as root? |
| 14:59.46 | phrozen77 | yes |
| 14:59.46 | Dave | correct |
| 14:59.50 | Dave | AS ROOT |
| 14:59.56 | phrozen77 | still, permission denied |
| 15:00.03 | Dave | you're not cool enough? |
| 15:00.11 | nyu | phrozen77: try -v, or -vvv |
| 15:00.13 | Dave | :P |
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| 15:00.25 | nyu | phrozen77: also try run a non-daemonized server with -d |
| 15:00.28 | Dave | or don't use secure ip |
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| 15:00.45 | nyu | where are contacts stored, phone or sim? |
| 15:00.57 | Dave | where would you like them to be stored? ;) |
| 15:01.08 | nyu | I notice /home has some stuff, but moving my old sim brought my old contacts in |
| 15:01.12 | nyu | Dave: phone only |
| 15:01.21 | Dave | good |
| 15:01.25 | nyu | I want to be able to back them up with rsync |
| 15:01.33 | Dave | that |
| 15:01.35 | Dave | yep yeP! |
| 15:01.41 | Dave | that's the default |
| 15:01.44 | Dave | and that's what I do :) |
| 15:01.50 | nyu | ok, so what about old ones? |
| 15:01.57 | nyu | they were in the sim with my old phone |
| 15:01.59 | Dave | old ones? SIMs or contacts? |
| 15:02.03 | nyu | contacts |
| 15:02.18 | Dave | moving your old sim brought your contacts in? |
| 15:02.22 | Dave | party! |
| 15:02.24 | nyu | yep |
| 15:02.30 | Dave | well then it's working, right? :) |
| 15:02.37 | Dave | or did you not want it to do that automatically? :P |
| 15:02.40 | nyu | but are they still in sim? |
| 15:02.41 | nyu | or in the phone? |
| 15:02.48 | Dave | contact list pollution? |
| 15:02.48 | nyu | I want to backup everything |
| 15:02.49 | Dave | oh |
| 15:02.56 | Dave | I doubt it MOVES them |
| 15:03.05 | Dave | just imports |
| 15:03.07 | nyu | ok, so I need to manually do that? |
| 15:03.13 | Dave | manually do what? |
| 15:03.16 | nyu | imports == copies? |
| 15:03.20 | Dave | back everything on the phone's contact list to SIM/ |
| 15:03.23 | Dave | yes import == COPY |
| 15:03.26 | Dave | not MOVE |
| 15:03.37 | nyu | ok, so in the phone I have now a complete contact list? |
| 15:03.47 | nyu | including those that were initially in the sim? |
| 15:03.47 | Dave | I would hope so. |
| 15:03.54 | Dave | that it copied over? |
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| 15:04.21 | white_gecko | when i install "lint-wifi" i get http://paste.debian.net/15449/ |
| 15:04.31 | Dave | heehee |
| 15:04.50 | white_gecko | what to do with suche errors? |
| 15:05.31 | phrozen77 | wtf, changed the pass and it still says incorrect pass |
| 15:05.33 | phrozen77 | grr |
| 15:05.41 | Dave | phrozen77: what ARE you doing!? |
| 15:05.48 | Dave | (to your freerunner) o_o |
| 15:05.53 | phrozen77 | I WANT TO FUCKING GET SSHD INTO THE PHONE |
| 15:05.57 | phrozen77 | FOR FUCKS SAKE |
| 15:06.24 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 15:06.34 | Dave | connect to your freerunner? |
| 15:06.35 | white_gecko | hm |
| 15:07.46 | phrozen77 | HOW |
| 15:07.48 | phrozen77 | damnit |
| 15:07.59 | Wonka | all OM images i tried had sshd already inside |
| 15:08.33 | Wonka | ssh root@192.168.0.202, works |
| 15:08.34 | kinneh | anybody knows of the problems with fso source "PATH=/misc/src/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi:/misc/src/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/sbin:/misc/src/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin:/misc/src/openmoko/build/tmp/cross/bin:/misc/src/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/sbin:/misc/src/openmoko/bitbake/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games; git ls-remote git://git.freesmartphone.org/even |
| 15:08.41 | kinneh | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
| 15:08.43 | kinneh | ? |
| 15:08.59 | phrozen77 | Wonka, it says wrong password - while its supposed to be blank... |
| 15:09.03 | phrozen77 | i changed it then on the phone |
| 15:09.06 | phrozen77 | but still no go |
| 15:09.38 | Dave | shwoly crap |
| 15:09.42 | Wonka | phrozen77: while the PW was blank, I wasn't asked for one |
| 15:09.48 | phrozen77 | i was |
| 15:09.49 | Dave | how are you changing things on the phone? openmoko-terminal2? :P |
| 15:10.00 | phrozen77 | terminal yep |
| 15:10.06 | Dave | oh, okay :P |
| 15:10.09 | Dave | uhh |
| 15:10.14 | Wonka | phrozen77: what sshd is running there? openssh or dropbear? |
| 15:10.18 | Dave | right! |
| 15:10.20 | Dave | good question |
| 15:11.02 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 15:11.05 | Wonka | I installed openssh-sshd and put my pubkey into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys - works fine |
| 15:11.09 | phrozen77 | looks like the client is dropbear |
| 15:11.13 | Dave | that's fine |
| 15:11.14 | phrozen77 | sshd -> not found |
| 15:11.18 | Dave | right |
| 15:11.20 | Dave | dropbear |
| 15:11.47 | phrozen77 | so? |
| 15:13.46 | phrozen77 | phrozen77@phrozen77-laptop:~$ ssh root@192.168.2.30 |
| 15:13.47 | phrozen77 | The authenticity of host '192.168.2.30 (192.168.2.30)' can't be established. |
| 15:13.47 | phrozen77 | RSA key fingerprint is 14:36:a4:fa:ff:a0:ab:f3:31:4e:0c:d7:70:6d:c4:16. |
| 15:13.47 | phrozen77 | Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes |
| 15:13.47 | phrozen77 | Warning: Permanently added '192.168.2.30' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. |
| 15:13.48 | phrozen77 | root@192.168.2.30's password: |
| 15:13.49 | phrozen77 | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 15:13.52 | phrozen77 | root@192.168.2.30's password: |
| 15:13.53 | phrozen77 | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 15:13.57 | phrozen77 | root@192.168.2.30's password: |
| 15:14.00 | phrozen77 | Permission denied (publickey,password). |
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| 15:14.16 | phrozen77 | this first hour is already fail on so many levels.. |
| 15:14.49 | od | Hi all. |
| 15:15.03 | Wonka | and you are still asked to ack the hostkey every time? |
| 15:15.06 | phrozen77 | no |
| 15:15.14 | Wonka | ok |
| 15:15.17 | phrozen77 | it was just because i first was su'd |
| 15:15.25 | phrozen77 | then dropped back to my normal user |
| 15:15.25 | Wonka | mh. no further idea atm.. |
| 15:15.40 | phrozen77 | Dave? |
| 15:15.44 | Dave | owned |
| 15:15.56 | Dave | You have modified your original configuration! |
| 15:16.03 | Dave | normal user? |
| 15:16.08 | Dave | What is this, a PC? |
| 15:16.35 | phrozen77 | what is what? |
| 15:16.39 | phrozen77 | where i am typing from? |
| 15:16.44 | phrozen77 | a laptop |
| 15:17.16 | Dave | your freerunner is 192.168.2.30? |
| 15:17.18 | phrozen77 | yes |
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| 15:17.53 | lambda | is it possible to set a multi-boot on GTA02 ? |
| 15:18.05 | Dave | ssh -2 -l root 192.168.2.30 |
| 15:18.07 | lambda | a main kernel and rootfs put in NAND |
| 15:18.09 | Dave | enter |
| 15:18.11 | Dave | no workie? |
| 15:18.18 | lambda | and others stuff on a microSDHC |
| 15:18.50 | bumbl | lambda: yes its possible - look it up in the wiki |
| 15:19.11 | lambda | i do |
| 15:19.16 | lambda | but can't |
| 15:19.28 | phrozen77 | Dave, doesnt work either |
| 15:19.40 | Dave | :[ |
| 15:19.55 | Dave | phrozen, and you said you passwd'ed root on the phone? |
| 15:20.01 | phrozen77 | yup |
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| 15:20.04 | Dave | did you try changing your root password to SOMETHING? |
| 15:20.07 | Dave | rather than nothing |
| 15:20.18 | Dave | did you try restarting the phone after this? |
| 15:20.20 | phrozen77 | i get mixed messages here? |
| 15:20.25 | Dave | hmm? |
| 15:20.42 | phrozen77 | arent your two sentences sort of contradicting themselves? |
| 15:20.46 | phrozen77 | and for the record |
| 15:20.49 | phrozen77 | yes i changed the root pass |
| 15:20.54 | Dave | Apparently |
| 15:20.58 | Dave | this is why you're in trouble :D |
| 15:21.10 | phrozen77 | well it didnt work before |
| 15:21.32 | pjz | is there a working wifi configurator for 2008.8? |
| 15:22.12 | Wonka | .oO( openmoko-terminal2 ) |
| 15:22.16 | lambda | some successfully set a multi-boot up, there ? |
| 15:22.23 | lambda | s/someone |
| 15:23.05 | Dave | yes |
| 15:23.09 | Dave | hail zorkman |
| 15:23.17 | Dave | but apparently tri-booting isn't ready yet? :P |
| 15:23.26 | Dave | Wonka :D |
| 15:23.29 | Dave | Indeed :P |
| 15:23.36 | lambda | Dave, can i take a look to your u-boot config please ? |
| 15:23.40 | Dave | phrozen, so you haven't been able since you got your phone to ssh into it? |
| 15:23.45 | Dave | my uboot config? |
| 15:23.50 | Zorkman | tri-booting should also work |
| 15:23.59 | Zorkman | (and it does, although i haven't tried it myself) |
| 15:24.17 | Dave | ah, I thought you did |
| 15:24.19 | phrozen77 | Dave, indeed |
| 15:24.20 | lambda | Dave, yeah the printenv maybe have you pasted somewhere |
| 15:24.27 | Dave | Zorkman, give lambda your info then :) |
| 15:24.30 | phrozen77 | and fwiw, iwlist eth0 scan also fails |
| 15:24.32 | phrozen77 | GRRR |
| 15:24.34 | Dave | phrozen, wow really? |
| 15:24.37 | phrozen77 | this pisses me of to no end |
| 15:24.40 | phrozen77 | POS |
| 15:25.02 | Dave | phrozen, so let me get this straight, you got your phone, flashed 2008.8 and now it doesn't work? |
| 15:25.09 | phrozen77 | I DIDNT FLASH JACK SHIT |
| 15:25.11 | phrozen77 | ffs |
| 15:25.23 | phrozen77 | this pos is out of the box |
| 15:25.23 | Dave | Well then, maybe you should :) |
| 15:25.34 | Zorkman | lambda: do you want to dualboot? |
| 15:25.36 | Dave | You should flash the most recent image of whichever flavor you'd like. |
| 15:25.37 | phrozen77 | cant i upgrade with opkg? |
| 15:25.43 | Dave | oh, yes you can |
| 15:25.45 | lambda | Zorkman, yes at least |
| 15:25.47 | Dave | ASSUMING YOUR NETWORKING WORKS |
| 15:25.48 | Dave | :) |
| 15:25.52 | phrozen77 | >_< |
| 15:25.56 | Dave | and you are able to resolve addresses |
| 15:25.56 | Dave | :p |
| 15:26.02 | Zorkman | lambda: have you read the wiki section about it? (it's very good) |
| 15:26.03 | Dave | (perform name lookups) |
| 15:26.11 | lambda | Zero_Dogg, yes in depth |
| 15:26.19 | Dave | phrozen, albeit not being able to login via ssh, does your phone have usb networking setup? :P |
| 15:26.27 | Zorkman | lambda: well then, doesn't it work? |
| 15:26.44 | lambda | but additional setenv menu****blabla** dont work as i want |
| 15:26.51 | Zorkman | lambda: if you use fat as kernel partition and ext2 as rootfs, you don't have to edit uboot |
| 15:26.53 | jucs | Anyone an idea how to get "Openmoko mail" working? |
| 15:27.09 | lambda | Zorkman, i only have ext2 and ext3 fs |
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| 15:27.42 | lambda | and i put uImage.bin and rootfs.jffs2 on e.g /dev/mmcbtkp1 |
| 15:27.42 | Zorkman | if you don't want all the ubuut hassle: just use fat and ext2; works straight out of the box (with a recent uboot) |
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| 15:28.09 | phrozen77 | GREAT JUST GREAT |
| 15:28.14 | phrozen77 | now the pile of shit locked up |
| 15:28.17 | Dave | explosion? |
| 15:28.19 | Dave | hawt |
| 15:28.21 | lambda | i can't doing fat file systel |
| 15:28.22 | jucs | lol |
| 15:28.26 | lambda | my fdisk is messing me up |
| 15:28.36 | phrozen77 | Dave, usb networking was what i attempted to do |
| 15:28.36 | Zorkman | why not lambda? |
| 15:28.38 | Dave | it should |
| 15:28.42 | Dave | fuck.disk fdisk :p |
| 15:28.49 | lambda | i got a error: |
| 15:28.50 | Dave | phrozen77, heh |
| 15:28.50 | jucs | So your phone is now frozen, phrozen :-DDDD |
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| 15:29.00 | Dave | phrozen, well, can you ping external addresses on your phone |
| 15:29.02 | lambda | filesystem too small |
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| 15:29.17 | Dave | phrozen, honestly though, my best advice would be flash the motherfucking phone. |
| 15:29.21 | Zorkman | lambda: choose a bigger partition then? I use 8MB for the kernel |
| 15:29.24 | Dave | Because upgrading won't resolve your root password problem |
| 15:29.40 | Dave | though flashing will reset EVERYTHING so, you shouldn't run into that problem again. |
| 15:29.54 | Dave | And you don't have to yell, I'm perfectly aware how absolutely aggravating this is :) |
| 15:30.03 | phrozen77 | yeah, sorry for that |
| 15:30.12 | Dave | and just think, this only the beginning! |
| 15:30.13 | phrozen77 | its just i want to do ANYTHING for an hour straight |
| 15:30.17 | Dave | cackles maniacally |
| 15:30.20 | pjz | phrozen77: you have to make a single fat32 fs for the kernel and then an ext2 fs for the root |
| 15:30.20 | phrozen77 | and all it does is lock up and whatnot |
| 15:30.21 | phrozen77 | so |
| 15:30.26 | Dave | woo? |
| 15:30.32 | phrozen77 | any guides on flashing? |
| 15:30.37 | phrozen77 | on the wiki? |
| 15:30.40 | Dave | absolutely |
| 15:30.45 | jucs | Yes. |
| 15:30.46 | phrozen77 | and what would be the best image as of yet? |
| 15:30.49 | pjz | phrozen77: yeah, everything is on the wiki, really |
| 15:31.01 | jucs | Depends on what you want... |
| 15:31.02 | Dave | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_neo_FreeRunner |
| 15:31.04 | Zorkman | phrozen77 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 15:31.10 | Dave | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images |
| 15:31.14 | lambda | Zorkman, did you set an extended partition or a primary one ? |
| 15:31.17 | Dave | Zorkman, I win :P |
| 15:31.27 | Zorkman | primary lambda, just like they say on the wiki |
| 15:31.28 | lambda | i am unble to mkfs.vfat an extended partition ! |
| 15:31.37 | phrozen77 | thanks Zorkman + Dave |
| 15:31.40 | Dave | :) |
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| 15:31.45 | lambda | i thought the wiki told the opposite |
| 15:31.58 | lambda | so.... |
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| 15:32.05 | phrozen77 | going to have a smoke before |
| 15:32.14 | Dave | good call :p |
| 15:32.20 | phrozen77 | or i'll have a heart attack in the next few minutes |
| 15:32.24 | phrozen77 | otoh, i |
| 15:32.31 | phrozen77 | i'll get one a few years later from smoking |
| 15:32.33 | Dave | Well, either way ;) |
| 15:32.37 | Dave | right :P |
| 15:32.39 | Dave | haha |
| 15:32.43 | Zorkman | lambda: you have misread, it says primary |
| 15:32.53 | Dave | Zorkman, are you running 2007.2? |
| 15:33.05 | eliasp | what was the official reason the FR got not UMTS? couldn't find any information about it on the wiki... IIRC no chip could be found which fulfilled all licensing needs.... |
| 15:33.08 | lambda | Zorkman, ok :) you put all your uImage.bin matching the desired OS you want to boot into on the 8MB partition |
| 15:33.18 | lambda | ? |
| 15:33.58 | mjr | eliasp, that at least has been officially mentioned. Though others are most certainly cost and worldwide deployability anyway. |
| 15:34.02 | Zorkman | lambda: haven't tried tripple booting so I don't know how you should do it |
| 15:34.15 | eliasp | mjr: ok |
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| 15:35.50 | Dave | heehee |
| 15:35.50 | lambda | ok hope it will work out of the fly with fat+ext2 |
| 15:35.52 | lambda | thx |
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| 15:35.58 | Dave | No Neo Freerunners were harmed in the making of this video. |
| 15:36.04 | Dave | :) |
| 15:36.41 | eliasp | yehaw, just found out theres 'vi' on 2008.8 ... going to replace it with vim ;) |
| 15:36.50 | Zorkman | lambda: it will (as long as you have a recent u-boot) |
| 15:37.07 | Tanuva | the vi on neodebian behaves.... really strange |
| 15:37.08 | lambda | I have a 1.3.1 |
| 15:37.11 | lambda | for gta02 |
| 15:37.35 | Zorkman | which date? |
| 15:37.50 | Zorkman | (anything from august should suffice) |
| 15:37.52 | lambda | picked up on http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080822/ |
| 15:37.58 | lambda | 22.08 |
| 15:38.03 | lambda | ok |
| 15:38.12 | lambda | that sounds good |
| 15:38.16 | Zorkman | it is |
| 15:38.45 | Dave | opkg search sanity |
| 15:39.29 | Zorkman | -2 |
| 15:39.33 | Dave | :( |
| 15:39.37 | Dave | yes |
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| 15:43.26 | Dave | uggh |
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| 15:45.06 | Dave | prods ike |
| 15:45.15 | Dave | df -h / |
| 15:45.28 | Dave | crap out of space again |
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| 15:46.59 | zash | craptastic |
| 15:47.13 | Dave | totally craptasical maaaaaaaaaan! |
| 15:47.48 | Dave | har du en dop, zash? |
| 15:48.04 | Dave | zomg |
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| 15:48.32 | zash | jeg er ikket norsk |
| 15:48.36 | Dave | :[ |
| 15:48.58 | Dave | sucky |
| 15:49.11 | ike | ?! |
| 15:49.22 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 15:49.44 | Dave | haha ike |
| 15:49.46 | phrozen77 | Dave, did i get that right that there are no updates to be done with opkg once on 2008.8? |
| 15:49.47 | Dave | TOO LATE |
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| 15:49.58 | Dave | phrozen, there are, but they are not on buildhost! |
| 15:50.02 | phrozen77 | ah ok |
| 15:50.11 | Dave | 2008.8 is not stable yet either |
| 15:50.23 | Dave | I can give you the url if you want though for the 2008.8 packages |
| 15:50.25 | Dave | or ask Zorkman |
| 15:50.40 | phrozen77 | mhm once i finished flashing |
| 15:51.51 | Dave | Okay! |
| 15:51.56 | Dave | Are you flashing 2008.8? :P |
| 15:52.07 | phrozen77 | yes |
| 15:52.11 | Dave | heh, alright :P |
| 15:52.26 | phrozen77 | flashing rootfs atm |
| 15:52.50 | Dave | good |
| 15:52.55 | Dave | so thirteen minutes later you'll be set! |
| 15:53.18 | phrozen77 | i pretty much hope so |
| 15:53.36 | phrozen77 | otherwise the freerunner and a random wall here will have an unpleasant meeting |
| 15:53.44 | Dave | :D |
| 15:53.50 | Dave | Phrozen, I like your style ;) |
| 15:54.04 | phrozen77 | turns his ass to said wall |
| 15:54.16 | Dave | :P |
| 15:55.05 | phrozen77 | hell, i wanted to have a short nap quite a while ago |
| 15:55.15 | Tanuva | is there an ewl debian/armel package somewhere? |
| 15:55.30 | lindi- | Tanuva: #openmoko-cdevel is used for it at the moment as mentioned in wiki |
| 15:55.35 | Dave | haha pounds! |
| 15:56.35 | Dave | gah, how are you supposed to play this :P |
| 15:56.36 | Dave | haha |
| 15:59.55 | phrozen77 | so |
| 15:59.58 | phrozen77 | flashed it is |
| 16:01.01 | phrozen77 | mhm |
| 16:01.13 | phrozen77 | displaying timestamps when booting suggests it worked |
| 16:01.14 | jucs | armel == armv4? |
| 16:02.07 | Dave | :) |
| 16:02.09 | Dave | jucs? |
| 16:02.28 | jucs | Yes? |
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| 16:03.13 | Dave | What are you talking about? |
| 16:03.16 | Dave | Is that a real question? |
| 16:03.21 | Dave | Use your own judgement? :P |
| 16:03.38 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 16:03.44 | phrozen77 | booting takes way longer now |
| 16:04.04 | phrozen77 | also wtf is that with these gay boots?! |
| 16:04.11 | phrozen77 | as in shoes that is |
| 16:04.12 | Dave | hahaha |
| 16:04.14 | Dave | yeah |
| 16:04.17 | Dave | it's a terrible pun :P |
| 16:04.21 | jucs | Tried it, it's true... |
| 16:04.25 | Dave | gett it... BOOT... ing |
| 16:04.27 | Dave | hahahahaha |
| 16:04.28 | Dave | -_- |
| 16:04.32 | Dave | jucs :) |
| 16:04.33 | Dave | hooray |
| 16:04.38 | jucs | Debian's armel binaries are excutable on my freerunner :-D |
| 16:04.51 | Dave | They should be. |
| 16:04.57 | Wonka | countermeasure: opkg remove exquisite |
| 16:04.57 | Dave | jucs, find anything good? |
| 16:05.03 | jucs | So how do I tell ipkg to install an armel package, even if it thinks it's the wrong architecture? |
| 16:05.22 | Dave | Wonka, what? |
| 16:05.37 | phrozen77 | uhm |
| 16:05.42 | Wonka | Dave: against the gay boots that don't let one read boot messages |
| 16:05.45 | Dave | opkg --perform-sexualfavors? |
| 16:05.47 | phrozen77 | how do i change from letters to numbers when entering the pin? |
| 16:05.48 | phrozen77 | wtf |
| 16:05.57 | Dave | haha |
| 16:06.08 | phrozen77 | who has a letter pin ?! |
| 16:06.14 | jucs | Dave :-D |
| 16:06.17 | Dave | phrozen, /topic please |
| 16:06.30 | phrozen77 | mhm |
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| 16:06.58 | eliasp | phrozen77: on the right you can change the keyboard type |
| 16:07.30 | eliasp | it's the little icon above the right side of your keyboard |
| 16:07.33 | Dave | Wonka, is exquisite supposed to be responsible for slash-write then? |
| 16:07.40 | jucs | root@om-gta02:/usr/share/applications# opkg install http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/daemon/daemon_0.6.3-1_armel.deb |
| 16:07.40 | jucs | Downloading http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/daemon/daemon_0.6.3-1_armel.deb |
| 16:07.40 | jucs | Collected errors: |
| 16:07.40 | jucs | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.42 | Dave | wtf |
| 16:07.44 | Wonka | yes |
| 16:07.46 | jucs | For example... |
| 16:07.52 | Wonka | splash-write |
| 16:07.54 | Dave | so force it |
| 16:08.04 | jucs | But it's wrong, it's actually the right arch... so how can I tell him? |
| 16:08.12 | Dave | wonka, I know but how come splash-write is there but I always notice pages of splash-write command not found when booting? o.O |
| 16:08.16 | Dave | it's very odd |
| 16:08.22 | Dave | it seems to be the only "error" though :) |
| 16:08.30 | Dave | and it seems to have always been there and affect nothing |
| 16:09.05 | Wonka | Dave: it's a symlink to /bin/busybox, which doesn't find an applet "splash-write" |
| 16:09.11 | Dave | jucs, rename it? or --foce |
| 16:09.21 | Dave | just rename it |
| 16:09.27 | Wonka | Dave: remove that symlink and replace it with a shellskript doing »echo "$@"« |
| 16:09.27 | Dave | Wonka: wtf? |
| 16:10.02 | Dave | hahaha I was write! |
| 16:10.03 | Dave | haw |
| 16:10.06 | Wonka | Dave: er, too short. /usr/bin/splash-write is a symlink to /bin/echo, which in turn is a symlink to /bin/busybox |
| 16:10.12 | Dave | /usr/bin/splash-write -> /usr/bin/exquisite-write.sh |
| 16:10.14 | Dave | ASSY |
| 16:10.16 | phrozen77 | now it seems to have turned off |
| 16:10.17 | jucs | hmm.... |
| 16:10.24 | phrozen77 | and again unresponsive to the power buttn |
| 16:10.28 | phrozen77 | >_< |
| 16:10.33 | Wonka | Dave: ok, it's a symlink to /bin/echo _after_ you uninstall exquisite |
| 16:10.33 | Dave | phrozen, probably went to sleep :) |
| 16:10.39 | phrozen77 | how to wake up |
| 16:10.39 | Dave | Wonka :P |
| 16:10.49 | Dave | phrozen, hold the power button for three seconds or something? |
| 16:10.51 | Dave | shrugs |
| 16:10.53 | Dave | hope it wakes up |
| 16:11.05 | Dave | also I'd advice disabling that in the meantime |
| 16:11.05 | phrozen77 | doesnt do jack |
| 16:11.12 | Dave | whenever I have my device hooked to power source I disable power management |
| 16:11.23 | Dave | phrozen, can you still access it via ssh? :P |
| 16:11.25 | Dave | or something? |
| 16:11.49 | jucs | echo "arch armel 37" >>/etc/opkg/arch.conf <- This solves the problem^^ |
| 16:12.03 | phrozen77 | Dave, no idea, DIDNT GET THAT FAR |
| 16:12.04 | phrozen77 | :P |
| 16:12.06 | Dave | Wonka, then what? |
| 16:12.11 | Dave | phrozen, evidently :P |
| 16:12.25 | Dave | restart and try again? this time, poke it so it doesn't go to sleep? bwahaha |
| 16:12.27 | Dave | *shrugs* |
| 16:12.30 | phrozen77 | mhm |
| 16:12.45 | phrozen77 | introduces the FR to the wall, just in case... |
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| 16:13.17 | Dave | :) |
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| 16:17.00 | phrozen77 | meh |
| 16:17.27 | phrozen77 | why on gods green earth doesnt let me the "set time" dialog ....like....SET ME THE TIME |
| 16:17.34 | phrozen77 | *cough* |
| 16:18.11 | phrozen77 | thats another cigarette |
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| 16:19.13 | eliasp | phrozen77: change 'Automatic' to 'Off' |
| 16:20.10 | eliasp | is there a easier way to close applications than opening the task manager and select 'Remove'?? |
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| 16:25.18 | phrozen77 | i take it that setting up wifi from the gui doesnt work? |
| 16:27.13 | phrozen77 | now it turned off again after accidently pressing the power button |
| 16:27.15 | phrozen77 | *sigh* |
| 16:27.50 | phrozen77 | so closing apps with the power button isnt implemented in 2008.8 anymore? |
| 16:28.06 | Dave | huh? |
| 16:28.21 | Dave | I'm not entirely sure wifi works at all yet in 2008.8 :D |
| 16:28.28 | phrozen77 | youre kidding? |
| 16:28.36 | eliasp | i just got WiFi working using wpa_supplicant |
| 16:28.37 | Dave | I'd hope so, though, it's been... a while... |
| 16:28.40 | eliasp | works great now |
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| 16:28.55 | Dave | eliasp, oh okay, nice |
| 16:29.04 | Dave | wonder if lintwifi works on 2008.8 though |
| 16:29.48 | eliasp | how do i add a location in the 'Locations' application? |
| 16:30.26 | Dave | I have no idea what the Locations application is. |
| 16:31.08 | Dave | Oh well, I'm going to go play me some Net. |
| 16:31.13 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 16:31.22 | phrozen77 | how do i get into the terminal in 2008.8? |
| 16:31.24 | Dave | high-fives nuclear_eclipse |
| 16:31.35 | eliasp | phrozen77: there is no terminal by default in 2008.8 |
| 16:31.40 | phrozen77 | gahhh |
| 16:31.44 | Dave | haha |
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| 16:32.01 | eliasp | use USB networking to get on the device using SSH, then 'opkg install openmoko-terminal' |
| 16:32.05 | Dave | I could totally see the documentation saying: by typing openmoko-terminal2 in the terminal |
| 16:32.08 | Dave | :P |
| 16:32.10 | Dave | wtfparadox! |
| 16:32.17 | eliasp | USB networking doesn't need to be configured on 2008.8 |
| 16:32.25 | Dave | oh, but does it work now? |
| 16:32.26 | eliasp | so you just have to do it on your desktop |
| 16:32.32 | Dave | I remember a week or two ago it was fucking everyone over. |
| 16:32.42 | eliasp | i think it worked here only when i booted the phone with USB plugged in |
| 16:33.07 | eliasp | ouch, gtg now... get some food + cook it... gf is waiting |
| 16:33.10 | eliasp | cu later |
| 16:33.23 | phrozen77 | HRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRG |
| 16:33.34 | phrozen77 | root@phrozen77-laptop:~# ssh root@192.168.2.30 |
| 16:33.34 | phrozen77 | root@192.168.2.30's password: |
| 16:33.34 | phrozen77 | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 16:33.34 | phrozen77 | root@192.168.2.30's password: |
| 16:33.34 | phrozen77 | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 16:33.35 | phrozen77 | root@192.168.2.30's password: |
| 16:33.37 | phrozen77 | Permission denied (publickey,password). |
| 16:33.42 | phrozen77 | explodes |
| 16:34.30 | phrozen77 | INSTAFAIL |
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| 16:35.19 | Dave | bwahahahaha |
| 16:35.23 | Dave | HUMILIATION! |
| 16:35.37 | Dave | how is it 192.168.2.30? |
| 16:35.55 | Dave | SOMEONE SET YOU UP THE ROOTKIT! |
| 16:36.09 | phrozen77 | aybabtu |
| 16:37.10 | Dave | Yes, aybabtu. |
| 16:37.28 | phrozen77 | so |
| 16:37.31 | phrozen77 | what now |
| 16:37.36 | Dave | wall time? :) |
| 16:37.40 | phrozen77 | almost |
| 16:37.44 | Dave | :P |
| 16:38.23 | phrozen77 | also where the hell does it display the status of the battery? |
| 16:38.27 | phrozen77 | *sigh* |
| 16:38.30 | Dave | the tray? |
| 16:38.36 | phrozen77 | no? |
| 16:38.39 | Dave | taskbar? |
| 16:38.40 | phrozen77 | theres the time |
| 16:38.40 | Dave | it SHOULD |
| 16:38.47 | phrozen77 | some small * or something |
| 16:38.50 | Dave | I have no idea, I don't use 2008.8 :P |
| 16:38.56 | phrozen77 | and something that looks like a worm or a flash |
| 16:38.58 | Dave | but I think it should, anyway |
| 16:39.00 | phrozen77 | what do you use? |
| 16:39.01 | Dave | hahaha |
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| 16:39.06 | Dave | 2007.2, primarily |
| 16:39.23 | Dave | at least it's pretty solid, other than the usual poorly written applications |
| 16:39.46 | Dave | but at this point, I'd be willing to venture a guess and say your password thing has nothing to do with distribution o.O |
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| 16:39.59 | phrozen77 | there is no password |
| 16:40.08 | phrozen77 | its just flashed freshly, remember? |
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| 16:40.57 | retracile | phrozen77: the FR's IP is usually 192.168.0.202, isn't it? |
| 16:41.05 | Dave | It should be, by default. |
| 16:41.10 | Dave | That's what also raises even more questions. |
| 16:41.14 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 16:41.16 | Dave | retracile! |
| 16:41.17 | Dave | :) |
| 16:41.20 | retracile | Dave! |
| 16:41.21 | retracile | :) |
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| 16:42.16 | phrozen77 | root@phrozen77-laptop:~# ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 |
| 16:42.16 | phrozen77 | root@phrozen77-laptop:~# ssh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 16:42.16 | phrozen77 | The authenticity of host '192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202)' can't be established. |
| 16:42.16 | phrozen77 | RSA key fingerprint is 14:36:a4:fa:ff:a0:ab:f3:31:4e:0c:d7:70:6d:c4:16. |
| 16:42.16 | phrozen77 | Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes |
| 16:42.16 | phrozen77 | Warning: Permanently added '192.168.0.202' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. |
| 16:42.16 | phrozen77 | root@192.168.0.202's password: |
| 16:42.16 | phrozen77 | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 16:42.16 | phrozen77 | root@192.168.0.202's password: |
| 16:42.16 | phrozen77 | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 16:42.16 | phrozen77 | root@192.168.0.202's password: |
| 16:42.16 | phrozen77 | Permission denied (publickey,password). |
| 16:42.17 | jucs | Any mail app out there for the neo? |
| 16:42.17 | cga | phrozen77, stop flooding |
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| 16:42.17 | phrozen77 | different ip same fail |
| 16:42.17 | eliasp | phrozen77: stop this, use a nopaster |
| 16:42.23 | Dave | wtf? |
| 16:42.31 | Dave | cga, stop being italian! |
| 16:42.34 | Dave | :P |
| 16:42.35 | eliasp | jucs: there's one by default (Home â Messages) |
| 16:42.37 | cga | grrrr |
| 16:42.42 | Dave | hahaha |
| 16:42.42 | cga | damn norks |
| 16:42.45 | Dave | :D:D:D |
| 16:43.00 | retracile | I'm running Debian from flash, and I need a way to lock the screen before it dims. Any suggestions? |
| 16:43.02 | jucs | eliasp: No, that isn't able to use mail at all, only SMS... |
| 16:43.02 | phrozen77 | retracile, any ideas why that might happen? |
| 16:43.14 | Dave | retracile, yeah, that'd be nice :) |
| 16:43.19 | Dave | phrozen, teh hax? |
| 16:43.23 | eliasp | jucs: i can configure mail accounts here in the messages app |
| 16:43.38 | jucs | Where did you get that from? Which distro are you using? |
| 16:43.39 | phrozen77 | me too |
| 16:43.59 | rooly|away | 2007.2 and 2008.8 can do it, can't they? |
| 16:44.12 | eliasp | jucs: 20080820 |
| 16:44.34 | retracile | phrozen77: what does 'ifconfig usb0' give you on both the FR and on your laptop? |
| 16:44.42 | Dave | Anyone here played openttd on the freerunner? |
| 16:44.45 | jucs | Uhm, I'm using 2007.2 and the message app cant do it... |
| 16:44.55 | Dave | jucs :( |
| 16:45.34 | jucs | Yes Dave? :-( |
| 16:46.04 | phrozen77 | retracile, http://pastebin.ca/1182527 |
| 16:46.04 | rooly|away | misses his keyboard |
| 16:46.11 | phrozen77 | cant really tell for the FR |
| 16:46.20 | phrozen77 | theres no terminal in 2008.8 |
| 16:46.52 | retracile | phrozen77: your laptop needs to be 192.168.0.200, not .202 |
| 16:47.12 | rooly|away | anyone have a link to the fso keyboard? |
| 16:47.27 | phrozen77 | retracile, why? |
| 16:47.47 | retracile | phrozen77: Just try it first. |
| 16:48.22 | retracile | phrozen77: IPs have to be unique... with your current config, your ssh attempt was trying to log into your laptop, not the FR. |
| 16:48.50 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 16:48.53 | phrozen77 | that fails too |
| 16:49.05 | phrozen77 | (logging into the laptop, if it really was that what it was trying |
| 16:49.12 | widrone | And running two devices with the same IP on the same network too you are. |
| 16:49.54 | retracile | phrozen77: change the IP of usb0 on your laptop to .200, then try logging into .202 again. |
| 16:50.55 | cga | phrozen77, most of the time is PEBCAK! |
| 16:51.20 | Dave | yeah, problem exists between cga and keyboard |
| 16:51.21 | Dave | :P |
| 16:51.25 | cga | exactly |
| 16:51.28 | phrozen77 | LOL |
| 16:51.47 | retracile | I remember having a machine with a greyscale cga screen... |
| 16:51.47 | phrozen77 | waaaha |
| 16:51.48 | phrozen77 | works |
| 16:51.49 | phrozen77 | :) |
| 16:51.56 | retracile | feigns surprise |
| 16:51.57 | phrozen77 | so what was the name of the terminal app? |
| 16:53.08 | Dave | :D |
| 16:53.23 | Dave | openmoko-terminal or openmoko-terminal2 |
| 16:53.39 | Dave | it should be openmoko-terminal2 |
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| 16:54.53 | Dave | Anyone here know how to play openttd? :) |
| 16:55.35 | Zorkman | Dave: just obtain that file from the cd.... |
| 16:56.22 | Dave | FUCK YES |
| 16:56.33 | Dave | zorkman, no I did, that I meant playing the actual game [ont he freerunenr] |
| 16:56.34 | Dave | :) |
| 16:56.37 | Zorkman | did you figure out a way to play supertux with TS? |
| 16:56.45 | Dave | In other news, I was able to discover a major bug |
| 16:57.01 | Zorkman | which one? |
| 16:57.01 | rooly|away | hey guys |
| 16:57.08 | Zorkman | hi rooly |
| 16:57.08 | rooly|away | are there other dictionaries in the repos? |
| 16:57.31 | Zorkman | no but i think that you could use them with rasters image |
| 16:57.33 | Zorkman | not sure though |
| 16:57.41 | phrozen77 | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install openmoko-terminal2 |
| 16:57.41 | phrozen77 | Collected errors: |
| 16:57.41 | phrozen77 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.43 | phrozen77 | uhm? |
| 16:57.49 | rooly|away | you used the installer |
| 16:57.50 | rooly|away | didn't you |
| 16:57.52 | Dave | lawl |
| 16:57.54 | rooly|away | DIDN'T YOU |
| 16:57.58 | Dave | installer!? |
| 16:58.10 | Zorkman | phrozen77: killall packagekitd |
| 16:58.32 | phrozen77 | killall: packagekitd: no process killed |
| 16:58.34 | ike | MAJOR bug? |
| 16:58.40 | Zorkman | phrozen77: killall packagekit |
| 16:58.58 | ike | Wow. Like not being able to make a phone calls would be just a minur one. ;-P |
| 16:58.58 | Zorkman | ah no, it should be killall packagekitd... |
| 16:59.09 | Zorkman | maybe killall -9 packagekitd? |
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| 16:59.32 | ike | Dave: openttd is easy. Just build some tracks. Build a depot. Buy a choochoo and you're ready to go. |
| 16:59.52 | phrozen77 | gaa |
| 16:59.53 | ike | Zorkman: dont SIGKILL unless you really have to. |
| 16:59.55 | phrozen77 | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install openmoko-terminal2 |
| 16:59.55 | phrozen77 | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 17:00.25 | rooly|away | where is the dictionary so that i may add to it |
| 17:00.54 | Zorkman | ike: why not? (just asking, I know nothing about it... although chox mentionned zombie processes in a while back..) |
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| 17:01.19 | Dave | ike, how do I build things? |
| 17:01.32 | Dave | More importantly, How can you SEE anything!? |
| 17:01.34 | johngay | Hammer and nails? |
| 17:02.44 | phrozen77 | so whats wrong with opkg now? |
| 17:02.49 | phrozen77 | ike, Zorkman, Dave ? |
| 17:02.50 | phrozen77 | o_O |
| 17:02.52 | Dave | O_o |
| 17:02.59 | phrozen77 | grr |
| 17:03.05 | phrozen77 | now its back at the lock again |
| 17:03.10 | Dave | Who here likes doughnuts? :D |
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| 17:03.13 | Dave | Phrozen, lock? |
| 17:03.13 | ike | Zorkman: because if you're killing an application with -9 you're not giving it a chance to clean up things. |
| 17:03.25 | phrozen77 | how do i close open apps on the fr? |
| 17:03.25 | Dave | so in turn, it takes a dump on you :P |
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| 17:03.34 | ike | Zorkman: it's better try to kill an app with "regular" kill. And it doesn't want to die - kill -9. |
| 17:03.36 | Dave | the close apps menu? :P |
| 17:03.45 | Dave | ike, instruct me how to play, please. |
| 17:03.57 | ike | Dave: as I have already written. It's hardly playable on a Freerunner. |
| 17:03.59 | ike | Dave: but. |
| 17:04.06 | ike | Dave: say "please" just one more time ;P |
| 17:04.07 | Dave | Furthermore, it's highly cumbersome, is there some way we can make it bigger? how do I move around the screen/area without a keyboard? |
| 17:04.07 | ike | anyway. |
| 17:04.10 | Dave | heh |
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| 17:04.20 | phrozen77 | ah |
| 17:04.22 | phrozen77 | now i got it |
| 17:04.23 | ike | You have a toolbar at the top of the window. |
| 17:04.26 | phrozen77 | open app |
| 17:04.27 | phrozen77 | toolbar |
| 17:04.28 | phrozen77 | remove |
| 17:04.29 | Dave | Yeah I noticed that |
| 17:04.30 | phrozen77 | kkkkkk |
| 17:04.39 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 17:04.45 | phrozen77 | still "couldnt get administrative lock" |
| 17:04.48 | Dave | has anyone gotten freeciv to run? :p |
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| 17:04.52 | ike | Dave: you can choose what you want to build. You can invest in trains, buses, ships and planes. |
| 17:05.03 | Dave | What about women? |
| 17:05.07 | Dave | or is that a bad investment? ;p |
| 17:05.11 | ike | Anyway. |
| 17:05.13 | phrozen77 | they usually are |
| 17:05.15 | ike | Dave: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 17:05.16 | Dave | :D |
| 17:05.19 | Dave | :P |
| 17:05.22 | Dave | gee, thanks |
| 17:05.25 | ike | ;-)) |
| 17:05.29 | Dave | I wasn't sure if there was a way to make it bigger |
| 17:05.34 | Dave | (other than the in game zoom) |
| 17:05.36 | rooly|away | there |
| 17:05.40 | Dave | or some bastardized video mode |
| 17:05.41 | phrozen77 | *cough* couldnt get administrative lock *cough* |
| 17:05.46 | phrozen77 | how can i get rid of it? |
| 17:05.47 | ike | Dave: don't think so. |
| 17:05.48 | phrozen77 | meh |
| 17:05.49 | Dave | In other news, I found another bug. |
| 17:05.50 | rooly|away | instead of installing a new keyboard, i've added words to the dictionary |
| 17:05.54 | Dave | On to cjb and andy I go |
| 17:06.04 | ike | Another major one? |
| 17:06.10 | Dave | anyhoo, enjoy your administrative locks, or lack thereof, phrozen. |
| 17:06.13 | Zorkman | what was the first major one Dave?N |
| 17:06.18 | phrozen77 | FU |
| 17:06.19 | phrozen77 | :) |
| 17:06.20 | Dave | ike, if you count the xserver-glamo one major, then yes :) |
| 17:06.39 | Zorkman | phrozen77: try the killall, and otherwise just reboot and first do your opkg stuff, BEFORE you open the installer app |
| 17:06.58 | ike | If it makes Freerunner a brick then I believe it's a major. |
| 17:07.29 | Zorkman | ike: nothing bricks uboot, we can always play the "select boot option" game from NOR :) |
| 17:07.40 | Zorkman | *bricks the FR |
| 17:08.00 | ike | You can brick it with a debug goard afair. |
| 17:08.09 | ike | However you're able to unbrick it as wll. |
| 17:08.14 | Dave | New CSI, the murder weapon is a Freerunner! |
| 17:08.21 | Dave | talk about product placement :P |
| 17:08.23 | ike | CSI? Oh my. |
| 17:08.35 | ike | That reminds me only one thing. |
| 17:08.51 | ike | VisualBasic IP tracking interface! |
| 17:09.02 | ike | http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni_rAamVP2s |
| 17:09.04 | Dave | kinky |
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| 17:09.22 | ike | That blowed my mind. |
| 17:09.22 | widrone | You mean the freernner saves the day, it contains the important piece of information about solving the murder. And that info is just there because of the open sourceness. |
| 17:09.23 | ike | ;-) |
| 17:09.37 | johngay | You should search youtube from CSI: UK. (-= |
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| 17:09.55 | ike | I know that CSI is super-stupid, but that piece was just hilarious. |
| 17:10.30 | johngay | I would search for it, but I don't have the plug-in. |
| 17:11.54 | ike | johngay: CSI: UK? |
| 17:12.38 | johngay | It's a spoof clip on youtube from a british comedy show. Search youtube and you should find it. |
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| 17:13.11 | ike | ;-) |
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| 17:13.45 | johngay | And they showed that on regular broadcast T.V. over there (-= |
| 17:14.01 | phrozen77 | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install openmoko-terminal2 |
| 17:14.01 | phrozen77 | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 17:14.02 | phrozen77 | .( |
| 17:14.38 | Zorkman | phrozen, what are you using? 2008.8? or an image from dailybuildhost (e.g. 2008.08.20) ? |
| 17:15.42 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 17:15.47 | phrozen77 | networking itself works from the fr |
| 17:15.50 | phrozen77 | dns doesnt |
| 17:15.50 | rooly|away | seriously |
| 17:15.51 | rooly|away | wtf |
| 17:15.54 | rooly|away | sighs |
| 17:15.58 | phrozen77 | Zorkman, 2008.8 |
| 17:16.11 | rooly|away | i can't even append the dictionary? |
| 17:16.31 | Zorkman | phrozen77: did you do an opkg update? |
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| 17:17.49 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 17:17.55 | phrozen77 | a lot of messages, each "failed" |
| 17:17.56 | Zorkman | phrozen77: just wget http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/openmoko-terminal2_3.0.0+svnr4039-r1.02_armv4t.ipk |
| 17:17.59 | Zorkman | and then install it |
| 17:18.07 | phrozen77 | uhm but i want it to work |
| 17:18.13 | phrozen77 | so workarounds need not apply |
| 17:18.14 | phrozen77 | :) |
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| 17:18.23 | rooly|away | so guys, does the framerate have any affect on battery life? |
| 17:18.32 | Zorkman | yeah |
| 17:18.35 | phrozen77 | also it really seems dns doesnt work |
| 17:18.41 | Zorkman | it keeps it as low as it was :p |
| 17:18.42 | phrozen77 | it cant resolve hosts |
| 17:18.47 | Zorkman | grrrr |
| 17:18.53 | Zorkman | you could have told us that before phrozen77 |
| 17:18.58 | rooly|away | ... |
| 17:19.00 | Zorkman | you need to edit your resolv.conf file |
| 17:19.00 | rooly|away | woulda helped |
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| 17:19.22 | rooly|away | just found out he's been using a step needlessly for weeks now |
| 17:19.23 | Zorkman | phrozen77: look at the usb networking section on the wiki |
| 17:19.34 | rooly|away | no need por la wifi do mi |
| 17:19.38 | lindi- | retracile: i'm afraid to say that you probably want to edit zhone source code. don't be afraid, it's python |
| 17:20.09 | phrozen77 | ty Zorkman |
| 17:20.11 | phrozen77 | works |
| 17:20.31 | phrozen77 | Signature check failed <- will that affect anything? |
| 17:20.57 | ike | Nope. |
| 17:21.20 | ike | "it's known bug". |
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| 17:21.40 | phrozen77 | thanks ike |
| 17:21.40 | Zorkman | phrozen77: no |
| 17:21.49 | Zorkman | phrozen77: signatures are not yet used |
| 17:21.56 | OJW | hi. is there an SVG file of the freerunner front-view that can be used as an icon? |
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| 17:22.54 | rooly|away | thinks to himself: "you could make one..." |
| 17:22.55 | johngay | GOD! I want my FreeRunner now!!! |
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| 17:24.06 | johngay | Well, I do have the schematics, and my soldering skills aren't too bad. Maybe I will rooly|away (-= |
| 17:24.38 | rooly|away | is annoyed |
| 17:24.48 | rooly|away | the stupid predictive text wont let my type what i want |
| 17:25.14 | xzcvczx | rooly|away: stop trying to use swear words then |
| 17:26.42 | OJW | on ML a while ago someone did an icon set for use in gnome etc., but now I can't find the link |
| 17:26.44 | rooly|away | i can't even seem to add "rooly" to it |
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| 17:28.43 | Dave | You're unruly, that's why! |
| 17:28.57 | rooly|away | goose |
| 17:30.06 | phrozen77 | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install openmoko-terminal2 |
| 17:30.06 | phrozen77 | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 17:30.10 | phrozen77 | grr |
| 17:30.10 | phrozen77 | still |
| 17:31.50 | phrozen77 | is there some way to figure out what errors? |
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| 17:33.45 | rooly|away | 2 means the package couldn't be found |
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| 17:34.10 | mikef187 | LOOKING!!! for someone to sell my a freerunner! |
| 17:34.17 | mikef187 | me* |
| 17:34.20 | johngay | koolu? |
| 17:34.51 | phrozen77 | root@om-gta02:~# opkg install illume-config |
| 17:34.51 | phrozen77 | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
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| 17:34.57 | phrozen77 | rooly|away, dont think so^^ |
| 17:35.00 | johngay | And they charge Canadian dollars. |
| 17:35.21 | rooly|away | i believe so, phrozen77 |
| 17:35.36 | phrozen77 | it does that for every package i tried so far |
| 17:35.48 | phrozen77 | ike, Zorkman, Dave - to the rescue! |
| 17:35.49 | phrozen77 | :) |
| 17:35.52 | mikef187 | I was hoing used aroung the 200 bone mark |
| 17:36.00 | mikef187 | hoping* |
| 17:36.13 | rooly|away | guilt might be happy to oblige |
| 17:36.20 | johngay | Don't ho' around here. |
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| 17:38.07 | retracile | phrozen77: have you run 'opkg update' yet? |
| 17:38.20 | rooly|away | i'm sure he has |
| 17:38.22 | phrozen77 | yes |
| 17:38.23 | __20h__ | Good evening. |
| 17:38.31 | retracile | Does anyone know how the screen dimming is triggered? |
| 17:38.35 | rooly|away | phrozen77, do you just .sig errors, or .sig and .gz errors |
| 17:38.36 | mikef187 | johncylee: hoing "Its a good thing!" |
| 17:38.42 | phrozen77 | sig i believe |
| 17:38.44 | phrozen77 | lemme look |
| 17:39.01 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 17:39.04 | phrozen77 | looks like both |
| 17:39.09 | rooly|away | tha's the problem |
| 17:39.11 | retracile | phrozen77: did it succeed? |
| 17:39.13 | rooly|away | the gz is your actualy repo |
| 17:39.23 | phrozen77 | meh |
| 17:39.28 | phrozen77 | fwiw, dns still doesnt work it seems |
| 17:39.35 | rooly|away | and that would be why |
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| 17:40.41 | retracile | lindi- Hm. I don't think that will help me when I have an xterm active instead of zhone. Or is there another piece I'm missing? |
| 17:40.53 | lindi- | retracile: ? |
| 17:41.16 | OJW | very well, I will draw one... http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/files/freerunner.svg |
| 17:41.16 | lindi- | retracile: zhone does send commands to dim the screen |
| 17:41.26 | phrozen77 | ok, now it really works |
| 17:41.42 | rooly|away | you missed a spot. OJW |
| 17:41.57 | phrozen77 | is there a call history somewhere? |
| 17:42.10 | rooly|away | 2008.8? |
| 17:42.13 | phrozen77 | yup |
| 17:42.13 | retracile | lindi-: Ah, ok. Hm... |
| 17:42.25 | rooly|away | dialer->phone-symbol with arrows |
| 17:43.46 | OJW | a spot? |
| 17:43.59 | rooly|away | 's a joke oj |
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| 17:49.36 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 17:49.46 | phrozen77 | where is openmoko-terminal2 supposed to show up once installed |
| 17:50.01 | phrozen77 | oh wait |
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| 18:06.36 | phrozen77 | is there a page somewhere where interesting packages are described? |
| 18:09.21 | ike | phrozen77: well... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications ? |
| 18:09.28 | ike | But there is not much. |
| 18:09.48 | retracile | lindi-: Ah... dbus.Interface has a .SetBrightness for the "org.freesmartphone.Device.Display", and there's a lock_on_idle event handler. If I could add to lock_on_idle to hide the matchbox keyboard and raise itself to the top of the wm's stack, that might be close enough for what I need... |
| 18:11.54 | phrozen77 | wow |
| 18:12.06 | phrozen77 | tar is picky about the order in which options are supplied |
| 18:12.19 | phrozen77 | tar xfj doesnt work |
| 18:12.22 | phrozen77 | tar xjf does |
| 18:12.33 | tuXXX | "f" is not an option |
| 18:12.39 | tuXXX | "f $file" is an option |
| 18:12.47 | ike | true. |
| 18:12.48 | ike | ;-) |
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| 18:14.05 | retracile | phrozen77: The -f option takes an argument. |
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| 18:14.29 | phrozen77 | i supplied it |
| 18:14.39 | phrozen77 | though if you put f in the middle it wont work |
| 18:14.48 | phrozen77 | never occured that with gnu tar |
| 18:15.16 | Dave | phrozen, that's how it's always worked. |
| 18:15.23 | phrozen77 | LIES! |
| 18:15.24 | phrozen77 | :) |
| 18:15.27 | Dave | :P |
| 18:16.49 | rooly|away | guys |
| 18:16.55 | rooly|away | is the testing branch any good? |
| 18:17.09 | phrozen77 | is there a way to arrange the icons on th emain screen? |
| 18:17.26 | rooly|away | change they're names... |
| 18:17.54 | phrozen77 | oh |
| 18:18.02 | phrozen77 | didnt notice theyre alphabetically arranged |
| 18:18.34 | ike | Is there a way to make Om2008.08's sudoku harder? |
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| 18:18.49 | ike | I'm on the edge to use Om2007.02 again. |
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| 18:19.14 | rooly|away | you've beaten the beginner, medium, and hard, ike? |
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| 18:19.54 | rooly|away | oh wait |
| 18:19.59 | rooly|away | i confused it for the old one too |
| 18:20.00 | ike | There is "medium" and "hard" ? |
| 18:20.19 | rooly|away | nope |
| 18:20.27 | rooly|away | like i said, i confused it for the old one |
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| 18:20.43 | ike | Are there any games for Om2008.08? |
| 18:21.02 | rooly|away | snake, sudoku |
| 18:21.06 | rooly|away | mines |
| 18:21.33 | lindi- | nyu: how do i make wesnoth 640x480? |
| 18:21.58 | lindi- | nyu: with -r 640x480 it says "setting mode to 800x600x16" |
| 18:22.25 | rooly|away | try 480x640 |
| 18:22.30 | rooly|away | unless you're rotating the screen |
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| 18:22.50 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 18:22.56 | phrozen77 | mtpaint fails to show up once installed |
| 18:23.27 | rooly|away | it may not have a desktop file |
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| 18:23.50 | rooly|away | try "ls /usr/share/applications/" |
| 18:24.17 | widrone | ike: I like the fact you choose firmware by sudoku level of difficulty! :) |
| 18:24.34 | ike | ;-)) |
| 18:25.00 | widrone | how does that game geerate "levels" really? Is it just board size? |
| 18:25.10 | phrozen77 | it leaves out more # |
| 18:25.14 | phrozen77 | afaik |
| 18:25.17 | ike | widrone: well. a phone isn't a phone when a) it isn't able to make a phonecall, b) doesn't have any decent games. |
| 18:25.21 | phrozen77 | not that im an expert with it |
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| 18:28.17 | widrone | so its a linux kernel running on arm with a gpsd, but I get your point. Thinking back over the phones I had, I think I can categorize them by the games they played yes. |
| 18:29.26 | widrone | cardgames are allways good, i dont like the realtime stuff alot. Need to be able to put it away at anytime, but I guess sudokus are a killer app =P |
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| 18:31.20 | widrone | really some online poker app would blow people away, but that is so not my thing. Snake and asteroids would be fun, but like I said about the realtime thing. |
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| 18:35.06 | Zorkman | online chess.... |
| 18:35.37 | Zorkman | or chess-through-mail :) that is something you can put aside for some time wirdrone :) |
| 18:36.00 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 18:36.08 | spydon | Whats the name of that irc app? |
| 18:36.16 | phrozen77 | seems like my moko doesnt like to register with gsm anymore |
| 18:36.16 | Zorkman | pidgin can use irc |
| 18:36.25 | widrone | ike: 250 lines of python sudoku generator/solver, outputs in pdf/ps/txt/html. Commandline and cgi use only, but could be used for someting? http://davidbau.com/downloads/sudoku.py (not moko tied in any way) |
| 18:36.58 | spydon | Zorkman, is there a ipk package for pidgin? |
| 18:37.04 | phrozen77 | yes |
| 18:37.10 | phrozen77 | in Scaredycats repo |
| 18:37.12 | Zorkman | yes there is, it's in the rabenfrost.celtune feeds |
| 18:37.24 | spydon | How do I add Scaredycats repo? |
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| 18:37.37 | spydon | or where do I find it :P |
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| 18:38.21 | spydon | Ah found it on the wiki, thx |
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| 18:39.06 | widrone | spydon: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Users_Repositories <- list |
| 18:39.21 | lindi- | widrone: apt-get solves sudoku's already, why reinvent the wheel? ;) |
| 18:39.29 | lindi- | s/'// |
| 18:39.37 | widrone | spydon: Good place to start with pidgin is http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/FAQ |
| 18:39.55 | spydon | widrone, thx |
| 18:40.15 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 18:40.30 | phrozen77 | Zorkman, an idea why the fr wont register with gsm anymore on startup? |
| 18:40.32 | widrone | lindi-: Good point, wheel works. I have no idea how to set any difficulty in sudokus either so that script may make easy ones. |
| 18:40.45 | Zorkman | phrozen77: there is a bugreport on that one |
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| 18:41.46 | phrozen77 | wheres the bugtracker? |
| 18:42.04 | widrone | phrozen77: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ |
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| 18:42.20 | Zoup | my kernel has panic , how can i reboot device ( power button does not work ) |
| 18:42.30 | Zorkman | eject battery |
| 18:42.54 | widrone | Uhm, depending on where the but is. Im guessing there is more then one trac looking over the codebase really. |
| 18:43.10 | widrone | s/but/bug |
| 18:43.27 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 18:43.34 | phrozen77 | how can i restart the gsm thingy? |
| 18:43.39 | phrozen77 | so it might register again? |
| 18:43.41 | Zorkman | ieatlint: is it normal that i never see a connect/disconnect button on lint-wifi? |
| 18:43.44 | xeros | lindi-: are you trying to run Battle for Wesnoth on FR? |
| 18:44.06 | lindi- | xeros: it runs on x86 as nyu but displays on fr |
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| 18:44.44 | xeros | maybe it could work recompiled for fr (?) |
| 18:44.55 | lindi- | xeros: why recompile? |
| 18:44.58 | widrone | phrozen77: Had a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd ? |
| 18:45.15 | xeros | I mean't compile ;-) |
| 18:45.17 | Zorkman | lindi-, xeros: I don't know this game, but I'm interested in every game for the FR :) |
| 18:45.21 | lindi- | xeros: why compile? ;) |
| 18:45.27 | Zoup | I do save some custom kernel cmd under Uboot with setenv and savenv , but they are not not available in next reboot |
| 18:45.44 | lindi- | xeros: i mean, debian buildd has already compiled it |
| 18:46.16 | Zorkman | Zoup: did you save yor changes? |
| 18:46.18 | phrozen77 | how can i disable that automatic type guessing crap? |
| 18:46.19 | xeros | lindi-: and why not? it would be great to have it without need of x86 pc with fr |
| 18:46.20 | Zorkman | Zoup: saveenv |
| 18:46.27 | widrone | phrozen77: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM may be of more use to you really |
| 18:46.30 | lindi- | xeros: but it has already been compiled |
| 18:46.42 | Zorkman | lindi-: is there an ipk available? |
| 18:46.48 | lindi- | Zorkman: no idea |
| 18:46.54 | lindi- | Zorkman: i use debian :) |
| 18:47.20 | Zoup | Zorkman: yes, strange |
| 18:47.24 | xeros | lindo-: oh, that's great - do you have debian on fr to try? (I don't have FR yet - I'm waiting for it's arrive) |
| 18:47.41 | lindi- | xeros: i use debian on my fr yes |
| 18:47.50 | retracile | does too |
| 18:48.02 | widrone | xeros: There lives an install guide on the debian wiki, its nice and cozy ;) |
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| 18:48.15 | ike | widrone: well. it's fine, however my gf doesn't like it ;-) |
| 18:48.41 | phrozen77 | how can i disable that automatic type guessing crap? |
| 18:48.51 | weiles | hi |
| 18:48.53 | lindi- | phrozen77: have you looked at the code? |
| 18:49.25 | xeros | it would be great if some good pc games could work on fr :-) |
| 18:50.15 | weiles | where can i find information about the output sound quality for the headphones |
| 18:50.20 | weiles | ? |
| 18:50.48 | weiles | any comparable product also using the wolfson codec? |
| 18:50.52 | phrozen77 | lindi-, no |
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| 18:51.53 | Dave | :) |
| 18:52.09 | Dave | meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer |
| 18:52.26 | lindi- | phrozen77: do you know python or C? |
| 18:52.45 | tuXXX | gcc: 0.45": No such file or directory... mokomakefile doesn't work ^^' |
| 18:53.14 | rooly|away | python is highly similar to c or cpp |
| 18:53.16 | ike | Well. This unofficial repos suck! Sometimes I don't file a bug because I don't know if it's in official or not. I wish there was something similar to Debian's reportbug so all internal guts are added to the bugreport automagically. |
| 18:53.19 | rooly|away | aside from the {} and ; |
| 18:54.33 | weiles | has anybody experiences with high end headphones and the freerunner? |
| 18:54.37 | weiles | how is the sound quality? |
| 18:54.46 | rooly|away | i have some 40$ ones |
| 18:54.48 | rooly|away | lemme go test |
| 18:56.54 | rooly|away | in french: x, egrep, z |
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| 18:58.14 | rooly|away | weiles, in 2008.8, rather better |
| 18:58.17 | lindi- | ike: exactly my thoughts |
| 18:58.28 | weiles | rooly|away: better than what? |
| 18:58.47 | rooly|away | than the included headphones in the box, combined with 2007.2 |
| 18:58.48 | weiles | is it comparable to sony? or to an ipod? |
| 18:58.54 | rooly|away | dunno |
| 18:58.56 | rooly|away | don't own either |
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| 18:59.11 | rooly|away | i only get useful long-lasting gadgets |
| 18:59.19 | ike | lindi: because we're Debian people. |
| 18:59.19 | rooly|away | nothing designed to brak |
| 18:59.21 | rooly|away | *break |
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| 18:59.31 | weiles | rooly|away: well it would be great to have good sound quality by default |
| 18:59.36 | weiles | for a long lasted gadget ;-) |
| 18:59.43 | rooly|away | no arguments there |
| 18:59.46 | weiles | s/lasted/lasting |
| 18:59.48 | rooly|away | i'm running an upgrae |
| 18:59.49 | lindi- | ike: btw, i reported a bug on reportbug last week :) |
| 19:00.00 | rooly|away | so gimme a few before i actually give you a solid yes or no on the quality |
| 19:00.01 | ike | isn't that irony? :-) |
| 19:00.11 | ike | I mean ironic. |
| 19:00.18 | lindi- | i don't have email setup on fr so i use "reportbug -o report.txt ..." |
| 19:00.25 | lindi- | ike: but it still says it's going to send email |
| 19:00.27 | rooly|away | ... |
| 19:00.43 | rooly|away | has a great idea |
| 19:00.50 | lindi- | ike: but it saves it correctly to file anyway, the messages is just wrong |
| 19:00.51 | rooly|away | setup my email on my pc over ssh |
| 19:00.57 | rooly|away | for the fr |
| 19:00.58 | Zoup | i have changed /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios , where can i find default files ? :)) |
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| 19:01.32 | weiles | rooly|away: and how is your experience with the 40 $ ones? is the sound good? |
| 19:01.43 | rooly|away | well, for the 2 seconds i heard sound just now, yeah |
| 19:01.49 | rooly|away | however, like i said, i'm upgrading |
| 19:01.53 | Zorkman | rooly|away: I think bass should be too low (standard) |
| 19:02.01 | Zorkman | something wrong with the impedance |
| 19:02.12 | Zorkman | there is somewhere instructions at how to boost it (alsamixer) |
| 19:02.49 | Zorkman | anyone gotten googlemaps to work with tangoGPS? the url on the tangogps site doesn't work |
| 19:03.08 | rooly|away | hmm |
| 19:04.01 | rooly|away | unless i'm getting a little bit extra from the fr's speaker being on at the same time, it sounds fine |
| 19:04.31 | weiles | Zorkman: ist the same chip integrated in some other audio device? |
| 19:04.49 | Zorkman | I don't know weiles |
| 19:04.52 | Zorkman | rooly|away: Can be fixed to an semi-acceptable level (if not high fidelity most probably) by adjusting "Bass Volume" to full (15) and "Bass Filter" to "100Hz @ 8kHz" (bass will be boosted <= 600Hz when playing back at 48kHz) or "200Hz @ 8kHz" (<= 1200Hz @ 48kHz). The default is 130Hz @ 48kHz and does not help much with the more wider scope of low frequencies. |
| 19:04.56 | Zorkman | (from the wiki) |
| 19:05.29 | rooly|away | it's sounding plenty fine to me |
| 19:05.36 | rooly|away | probably not as good as say, an ipod |
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| 19:05.41 | weiles | it is kind of must have as i would not by an mp3 player but a freerunner instead |
| 19:05.44 | Zorkman | glad to hear that |
| 19:05.57 | weiles | as the cowon d2 for example costs 130 ⬠here |
| 19:05.57 | rooly|away | i'm using: |
| 19:06.17 | rooly|away | 2008.8, openmoko-mediaplayer, and logitech headphones |
| 19:06.18 | Zorkman | weiles: I only have the cheapo FR headphones and I haven't really tested the sound, but it sure is acceptable at least |
| 19:06.51 | weiles | hmmm |
| 19:07.35 | weiles | hasn't anybody thought of this issue as an ipod killer necessarity ;-) |
| 19:07.40 | weiles | ? |
| 19:08.03 | Zorkman | bah, I don't care about ipod/iphone/iraddishrosewhatsemawhoseits killer |
| 19:08.08 | Zorkman | just want a kick-ass device :) |
| 19:08.13 | rooly|away | agrees |
| 19:08.31 | rooly|away | apple users can go rot in their money wasting hole for all i care |
| 19:08.45 | weiles | Zorkman: but high end audio is kick-ass |
| 19:08.47 | Zorkman | I get +/-6hrs mp3 playback with the speakers (no headphones, just the speakers) |
| 19:08.50 | jucs | :-P |
| 19:09.01 | jucs | Apple sucks. |
| 19:09.03 | rooly|away | may have bricked his phone... |
| 19:09.11 | jucs | Much worse than MS could ever do... |
| 19:09.13 | rooly|away | uh oh |
| 19:09.19 | Zorkman | weiles: yes, it is; but i wouldn't want it to kick the ass of an iphone, I'm just interested in kickin generic asses all over the world |
| 19:09.21 | rooly|away | beautiful white screen |
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| 19:09.29 | Zorkman | :D |
| 19:09.31 | Dave | :D |
| 19:09.36 | Zorkman | I never had a WSoD |
| 19:09.39 | weiles | sure me too |
| 19:09.39 | Dave | WSOD |
| 19:09.43 | Zorkman | but i've been using 2007.2 |
| 19:09.44 | jucs | WSOD :-D :-D |
| 19:09.57 | weiles | i just want to have high quality sound output and a kicking-ass phone |
| 19:09.59 | Zorkman | hehe, just after jucs mentionned MS :) |
| 19:10.08 | rooly|away | i...uh...changed the package repos to testing |
| 19:10.10 | Zorkman | weiles: don't forget gaming device ;-) |
| 19:10.11 | rooly|away | ... |
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| 19:10.26 | weiles | well yes + gps |
| 19:10.38 | Tanuva | wants documentation für python-mpd >.< |
| 19:10.39 | Zorkman | and while you're at it weiles: write a new firmware for the wifi so we can aircrack :) |
| 19:10.44 | weiles | is there somewhere you can test the device? |
| 19:10.59 | weiles | Zorkman: no prob ;-) |
| 19:11.08 | nyu | lindi-: oh. so no usable resolution? |
| 19:11.10 | Zorkman | ask someone in your neighbourhood? |
| 19:11.19 | jucs | :-P |
| 19:11.29 | weiles | Zorkman: no openmoko here... |
| 19:11.30 | jucs | Someone tried to install windows mobile on the freerunner? *evil* |
| 19:11.32 | Zorkman | go to #neo1973-germany there are a lot of germans with a FR |
| 19:11.42 | weiles | great thx |
| 19:11.44 | Zorkman | jucs: there's talk about Win CE on the mailinlist |
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| 19:11.53 | rooly|away | damnit |
| 19:11.58 | rooly|away | i want the fso keyboard |
| 19:12.06 | rooly|away | what happened to it |
| 19:12.16 | jucs | Zorkman: Really? Funny... |
| 19:12.23 | Zorkman | jup |
| 19:12.57 | Zorkman | just hooked up his new fon router |
| 19:13.36 | jucs | root@om-gta02:~# uptime |
| 19:13.36 | jucs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.49 | jucs | My freerunner didn't crash for almost 10 hours :-D Unbelievable... |
| 19:13.59 | zash | jucs: yay for u |
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| 19:16.56 | alephnull | My FR doesn't even stay up for 10 hours. |
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| 19:17.37 | jucs | alephnull: 1 hour is already a great score I think :-P |
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| 19:18.52 | jucs | But it's only the kernel that is long-living at the moment, I had to restart matchbox at leat 20 times to day.... |
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| 19:20.14 | rooly|away | sighs |
| 19:20.16 | rooly|away | wsod |
| 19:20.19 | rooly|away | ... |
| 19:20.23 | rooly|away | and the phone still "works" |
| 19:20.35 | rooly|away | just can't do anything with it |
| 19:20.42 | johngay | You mean I can't just carry this phone around for days at a time and use it as an ordinary phone??? I want to cancel my order! |
| 19:21.22 | rooly|away | no |
| 19:21.26 | rooly|away | but you could use it asa router |
| 19:21.37 | doc|home | johngay: yeah you can, you might have to charge it more often than other phones in between those days is the only thing |
| 19:22.04 | jucs | johngay: You definitly can't at the moment. |
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| 19:22.33 | doc|home | huh? |
| 19:22.37 | doc|home | is using his phone |
| 19:23.00 | jucs | johngay: I'm using my Nokia for calls since I didn't get the call functions to work stable enough.... |
| 19:23.05 | retracile | idlenotifier.py references a controller.config in its 'factory()' function. I presume there's a config file somewhere that it's reading? |
| 19:23.06 | rooly|away | i think he's actually being sarcastic |
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| 19:23.13 | Zoup | I cant save anything with saveenv , it all will undo after reboot |
| 19:24.02 | jucs | johngay: But it's still fun and it'll get better every day ;-) |
| 19:24.49 | johngay | Actually, rooly|away, I think the term is facisious, but I can't spell for shite (-= |
| 19:24.59 | rooly|away | ahh, right |
| 19:25.04 | retracile | Ah, looks like /etc/frameworkd.conf |
| 19:25.31 | rooly|away | recognized the sarcasm/poopoosciousness, and responded accordingly |
| 19:25.40 | johngay | Also, just wanted to see who I could hook (-= |
| 19:26.59 | rooly|away | shiite too |
| 19:27.09 | rooly|away | right after i finished the "upgrade" my mom tries to call |
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| 19:28.49 | Zorkman | Zoup: you sure you are editing NAND u-boot, and not NOT u-boot? |
| 19:29.30 | Zorkman | googlemaps and tangogps anyone? |
| 19:30.10 | johngay | Actually, I'm quite looking forward to porting http://archive.gp2x.de/cgi-bin/cfiles.cgi?0,0,0,0,25,2107 to my FreeRunner when I get it. (-= |
| 19:30.11 | jucs | Zorkman: Evil. |
| 19:30.27 | Zorkman | jucs? |
| 19:30.31 | jucs | Sure? |
| 19:30.48 | Zorkman | what did you mean by evil? (google=evil?) |
| 19:31.08 | Ark1 | dont be evil |
| 19:31.09 | jucs | Using Google Maps :-P Just because you're not allowed, but I wasn't really serious.. |
| 19:31.27 | johngay | google may be evil, but they promise to do no evil (-= |
| 19:31.37 | jucs | :-D |
| 19:31.42 | tuXXX | the keyboard of the ASU is not that bad. In fact, I think it works well: it's possible to type words with fingers, and it's guessing fine. Too bad you can't backspace, type numbers or special characters, press enter, and it's sometimes difficult to find the word you want in the list |
| 19:31.42 | Zorkman | "However, Google maps are copyrighted and probably apart from academic/fair use this may simply not be legal " |
| 19:31.47 | Zorkman | isn't it "fair use" ? |
| 19:32.02 | Zorkman | tuXXX: you can backspace |
| 19:32.07 | johngay | Well, no more than they need to do, anyway. |
| 19:32.16 | tuXXX | Zorkman: how? |
| 19:32.23 | Zorkman | tuXXX: read the topic of this channel :P |
| 19:33.00 | Zorkman | ah, sorry it's not explicitly in the topic, only how to tye numbers: |
| 19:33.05 | Zoup | Zorkman: how can i know that ? i hold Aux when powering up |
| 19:33.06 | Zorkman | slide from right to left for backspace |
| 19:33.21 | jucs | tuXXX: Too bad I can't type ANY WORD it doesn't know before -.- |
| 19:33.28 | tuXXX | Zorkman: oh yes |
| 19:33.30 | Zorkman | Zoup: it says so in the boot menu :) |
| 19:33.40 | jucs | I do not want any guessing, I just want to see exactly what I type... |
| 19:33.42 | Zorkman | Zoup: first hold power, then press auw (while still holding power) |
| 19:33.58 | johngay | How's character recognition coming? I'd love to see a graphiti-like option. I fell in love with Graphiti from Palm. Now I hear Xerox has layed claim to it. |
| 19:34.09 | Zorkman | jucs: there are instruction on how to disable the predicitive keyboard and get a full qwerty keyboard on the wiki |
| 19:34.19 | rooly|away | i just want a decent dictionary that lets me type the words i want to |
| 19:34.24 | rooly|away | like "mom" |
| 19:34.27 | jucs | The one from Qtopia? |
| 19:34.50 | Zorkman | I don't know which one Qtopia currently uses, but i'm quite sure it isn't a full qwerty one |
| 19:35.01 | Dave | Zorkman |
| 19:35.03 | Zoup | Zorkman: i did hold power and pressed aux , it says U-Boot <version> ... |
| 19:35.04 | Zorkman | yes Dave? |
| 19:35.04 | jucs | I mean, the keyboard is quite nice, because you can use your fingers.... if it only had an option to turn off the guessing -.- |
| 19:35.15 | jucs | with* |
| 19:35.23 | Zorkman | jucs: i can use the full querty also with my fingers |
| 19:35.26 | Dave | Give me more to work with please :) |
| 19:35.37 | Zorkman | Dave: I have the exact same feeling.... |
| 19:35.42 | jucs | o.O Are you human oder a... mouse? |
| 19:35.44 | lpotter | jucs: hold down a letter |
| 19:35.46 | Zorkman | where are all the cool apps and games... |
| 19:35.46 | Dave | Is there anyway to run scummvm in a window? :| |
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| 19:36.07 | Zorkman | jucs: my fingers are probably bigger than yours :) |
| 19:36.11 | jucs | My finger is as big as half of the querty keyboard :-D |
| 19:36.12 | Dave | oh hot |
| 19:36.13 | Dave | -F |
| 19:36.19 | Dave | Zorkman, have you tried that!? :O |
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| 19:36.30 | Zoup | Zorkman: its possible to connecct minicom in this mode , and i can actually set values , but it all temporary |
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| 19:36.55 | Zorkman | Zoup: I can't help you any further...sorry... |
| 19:37.38 | spydon | how do I set om2008.8 to horizontal mode? |
| 19:37.51 | jucs | Hold AUX? |
| 19:38.19 | Zorkman | spydon: xrandr -o 1 |
| 19:38.25 | spydon | Zorkman, ty |
| 19:38.45 | Zorkman | jucs: first press power and hold, then press aux and hold both |
| 19:39.00 | Zorkman | but really, it should say on the screen if you are in NAND or in NOR |
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| 19:40.00 | Dave | fucky |
| 19:40.08 | Zorkman | ? |
| 19:40.11 | Zorkman | no window mode? |
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| 19:40.34 | newbieguyforlinu | hi all |
| 19:40.40 | Zorkman | llo |
| 19:40.44 | newbieguyforlinu | I'm new to this room |
| 19:41.12 | Zorkman | welcome in that case, don't forget to whipe your feet |
| 19:41.47 | newbieguyforlinu | hi in open moko ->how history is being handled? |
| 19:42.31 | Zorkman | what do you mean by "history"? |
| 19:43.14 | Zoup | Zorkman: if i saveenv , then reboot and do minicom again , variables are set , but if i let device boot and restart , they are all gone :I |
| 19:44.02 | newbieguyforlinu | if user is typing smsthen suddenly incoming callhas come |
| 19:44.49 | Zorkman | sorry newbieguyforlinu; that hasn't happend to me yet.. maybe someone else can answer that one (but I do not think that feature is already implemented) |
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| 19:45.46 | henkie | tangogps does crash alot :( |
| 19:46.00 | Zorkman | henkie: that never happend to me |
| 19:46.06 | rooly|away | same here |
| 19:46.11 | Zorkman | henkie: on 2007.2 it is rock solid |
| 19:46.12 | rooly|away | never crashes for me |
| 19:46.21 | Wonka | gpsd crashed sometimes |
| 19:46.28 | Zorkman | on ASU/2008.8 I haven't used it much, but it never crashed |
| 19:46.30 | Wonka | but not tangogps |
| 19:46.57 | henkie | hmm, about every 5 mins or so |
| 19:47.06 | henkie | sometimes it works >1 hour |
| 19:47.12 | rooly|away | hey, anyone remember the gtk theme's package for 2007.2? |
| 19:47.21 | Zoup | mediaplayer does not load right gsmheadset.state when headset is inserted , any idea ? |
| 19:47.24 | Zorkman | anybody else has the problem that the altitude from GPS is VERY inaccurate? somedays it says 24m, somedays 40m, right now 11m |
| 19:47.57 | rooly|away | Zorkman, sometimes i shift 30 ft in 10 seconds |
| 19:48.00 | Zorkman | and now it's 30m :) |
| 19:48.03 | rooly|away | it is very innacurate |
| 19:48.13 | Zorkman | is on a rollercoaster |
| 19:48.30 | Zorkman | rooly|away: is that because of the GPS chip or because of the software? (i presume the first :() |
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| 19:48.47 | rooly|away | i couldn't tell ya |
| 19:48.59 | rooly|away | but i think the chip rather than the software |
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| 19:49.07 | spydon | Is there any patch or something that fixes the horizontal mode? |
| 19:49.10 | henkie | how many sats do you have? |
| 19:49.21 | rooly|away | usually 10/12 |
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| 19:50.07 | henkie | atm i have 3, but i am inside, with lots o concreet :) |
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| 19:50.25 | henkie | but the height does indeed vary |
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| 19:51.48 | henkie | but i am the only one with a crashing tango? :( (using 2008.8) |
| 19:52.38 | tuXXX | henkie: mine does too |
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| 19:54.31 | henkie | there are 2 versions available in the repos. I assume it has installed the latest? |
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| 19:56.26 | rooly|away | possibly henkie |
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| 19:56.39 | rooly|away | are you using any user-repo's? |
| 19:56.52 | rooly|away | like scaredy cat or zenke (iirc) |
| 19:57.15 | henkie | no, but i see i have the latest (0.9.2-r1) |
| 19:57.37 | rooly|away | try installing it straight from the site |
| 19:58.02 | rooly|away | (opkg install <tangogps from homepage> -force-reinstall |
| 19:58.06 | rooly|away | ) |
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| 19:58.36 | Ark1_ | out of curiosity has the openmoko community pretty much decided to take openmoko in the direction of SHR? |
| 19:58.51 | rooly|away | woudln't know |
| 19:59.05 | rooly|away | the community right here pretty much sticks to 2007.2 or 2008.8 |
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| 20:00.08 | Ark1_ | is 2007.2 still be developed? |
| 20:00.13 | rooly|away | no |
| 20:00.19 | Ark1_ | but .8 is |
| 20:00.21 | rooly|away | it's been abandoned |
| 20:00.22 | rooly|away | yes |
| 20:00.29 | rooly|away | but it's not currently being updated |
| 20:00.38 | Ark1_ | ? |
| 20:00.50 | rooly|away | the repos are not currently being update |
| 20:00.57 | rooly|away | but they are working on it |
| 20:01.02 | Ark1_ | o ok |
| 20:01.23 | Ark1_ | what is the point of splitting development between this SHR and 2008.8? |
| 20:01.43 | rooly|away | shr is made by the community. 2008.8 is made by the devs |
| 20:01.57 | Ark1_ | ok |
| 20:02.14 | Ark1_ | but the community can still develop .8? |
| 20:02.17 | rooly|away | sure |
| 20:02.20 | rooly|away | all the code is available |
| 20:02.24 | Ark1_ | ok jsut wondering thank you |
| 20:02.30 | rooly|away | np |
| 20:04.55 | almien | so the only people working on 08.08 are openmoko itself, a startup which is trying to live up to its "iphone-killer" expectations that some journalists dumped them in? |
| 20:05.07 | Ark1_ | btw what is the freerunners average battery life and is there a difference in bat life between 2007.2 2008.8 and SHR? |
| 20:06.07 | hossi | after I reboot my neo my alsamixer config changes back to default ? |
| 20:06.32 | rooly|away | almien, no of course not |
| 20:06.35 | almien | Ark1_: 2007.2 you would want to charge the phone every night if you could |
| 20:06.45 | rooly|away | but the devs, as far as i know, aren't working on SHR |
| 20:07.13 | rooly|away | Ark1_, in my experience, the battery will last for 4 hours if it doesn't go into sleep mode |
| 20:09.11 | Ark1_ | 4 hrs? |
| 20:09.19 | Ark1_ | is that talktime or jsut being used? |
| 20:09.48 | torindel | more like just being poweron'ed ;] |
| 20:09.48 | henkie | will the phone shutdown automaticly when the battery is low? |
| 20:11.49 | rooly|away | henkie, not always |
| 20:12.03 | rooly|away | Ark1_, that's time being used. but iirc, it's also talk time |
| 20:13.56 | rooly|away | it should last you around a day safely in sleep mode |
| 20:14.21 | hossi | Ark1_, 2008 has a function that make you choose to suspend you phone after a certain time |
| 20:15.55 | torindel | plus if thats not enough for you you can look for non-orignal bigger nokia replacement batteries |
| 20:16.11 | Zorkman | rooly|away: I can play mp3 from speakers for 6hours |
| 20:16.23 | torindel | (moko is compatible with BL-6C - nokia ngage batteries) |
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| 20:28.41 | TAsn | so, what's the bat life? |
| 20:28.41 | TAsn | ;) |
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| 20:30.41 | rooly|away | for what |
| 20:31.07 | torindel | TAsn: depends if you got suspend or not |
| 20:31.41 | TAsn | the wiki page seems a bit out of date (or maybe it hasn't change a lot in the past few months) |
| 20:32.00 | TAsn | torindel, best scenario what battery life can i expect? |
| 20:32.05 | torindel | some pages change a lot, some not |
| 20:32.24 | TAsn | torindel, well i was referring to this one. |
| 20:32.31 | torindel | TAsn: not too good since suspend is still semi broken i think |
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| 20:32.49 | TAsn | torindel, i saw they started working on gta03 btw. |
| 20:33.11 | TAsn | at least, that what was said on that guys blog |
| 20:33.19 | lloyd_fedora | i get '* Could not obtain administrative lock' when trying to use opkg tried 'killall packagekitd' but dosent solve it |
| 20:33.25 | TAsn | forgot his name, something with wulf |
| 20:33.25 | torindel | from what i seen it was just cosmetic changes |
| 20:33.44 | TAsn | torindel, gps module was replaced |
| 20:33.47 | TAsn | and reported to be a lot better |
| 20:33.54 | TAsn | and yeah, cosmetic. |
| 20:34.03 | torindel | or w8 i'm thinking about gta02v6 |
| 20:34.15 | TAsn | you maybe |
| 20:34.18 | TAsn | torindel, got a link |
| 20:34.19 | TAsn | ? |
| 20:34.36 | torindel | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_revisions#GTA02v6 |
| 20:34.36 | TAsn | i just saw talks about gta03 nothing too fancy. |
| 20:34.38 | Wonka | also, i saw something they'd put in a 3.5mm jack instead of 2.5mm |
| 20:34.45 | Wonka | into the gta03 |
| 20:34.48 | TAsn | Wonka, from what i saw |
| 20:34.53 | TAsn | that's in the rumor section |
| 20:35.03 | TAsn | though i may have missed it in the blog. |
| 20:35.24 | jucs | henkie: tangoGPS works really fine for me... |
| 20:35.25 | torindel | TAsn: i wasnt here for couple of days so i didnt hear anything |
| 20:35.35 | jucs | Then only thing is that I'm really annoyed by the OSD... |
| 20:35.49 | jucs | I wrote a patch to turn it off but I don't know how to compile it :-D |
| 20:36.17 | jucs | Stupid, isn't it? |
| 20:36.28 | Wonka | TAsn: i saw it in the ml web archive, iirc |
| 20:36.32 | torindel | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03_revisions |
| 20:36.36 | TAsn | Wonka, cool enough ;) |
| 20:36.41 | TAsn | torindel, that's rumors |
| 20:36.44 | TAsn | facts are in |
| 20:37.05 | TAsn | http://n2.nabble.com/Weekly-Engineering-News-33-2008-td729555.html#a729555 |
| 20:37.22 | torindel | wow they remove glamo in gta03 >_> |
| 20:38.22 | TAsn | torindel, that's a known fact (rumor?) for a lot of time now. |
| 20:38.46 | TAsn | im off. |
| 20:38.49 | Wonka | i am especially interested in GSM stuff that works with my 3G SIM and in u-blox 5 GPS |
| 20:38.50 | TAsn | cy.a. |
| 20:41.14 | jucs | No 3G in the GTA03? :-( |
| 20:41.32 | mjr | no |
| 20:42.40 | jucs | New case design. <- Why? |
| 20:42.40 | rooly|away | bbl |
| 20:43.44 | tunys | where's bricode? :( |
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| 20:48.28 | Zorkman | finally has googlemaps working on tangogps |
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| 20:50.45 | KenYoung | Zorkman, I think there's a lot of interest in doing that - could you post how you did it on the tangogps wiki page? |
| 20:51.10 | Zorkman | np, it's dead simple, i was just searching for ages for the right url, none of the ones i found works |
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| 20:52.47 | torindel | jucs: look for gta04 ;] |
| 20:53.09 | jucs | torindel: Yes, but this is far away... |
| 20:53.14 | retracile | Zorkman: so you just needed the right URL and it works? |
| 20:53.26 | jucs | Zorkman, how? |
| 20:54.02 | torindel | jucs: maybe not that long, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA04_revisions |
| 20:54.35 | jucs | But is does not tell any time plan? |
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| 20:57.33 | Zorkman | KenYoung: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TangoGPS#Using_Google_Maps_with_TangoGPS |
| 20:57.34 | torindel | jucs: not yet, wait till gta03 will be availble, as i doubt they post it earlier |
| 20:58.32 | jucs | They don't even tell about the their time plan for the gta03, do they? |
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| 20:59.18 | KenYoung | Zorkman, Thanks a bunch! |
| 20:59.49 | Zorkman | np KenYoung |
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| 21:07.59 | Dave | FUCK |
| 21:08.06 | Zorkman | me sideways! |
| 21:08.09 | Dave | Damnit, kenyoung has escape unscathed again! |
| 21:09.10 | jonquark | I've been playing with my new FreeRunner and can't get it to register on a GSM network (tried 2007.2, 2008.8 and FSO). I've currently got 2008.8 installed, there's no file in /tmp like gsmd.log - is there a similar file I can look for elsewhere? |
| 21:09.54 | CM | jonquark: What network and what sim-card? |
| 21:10.09 | CM | Prepaid? |
| 21:10.30 | jonquark | O2 in the UK, I've tried a couple of 2G SIM cards which work in other Nokia phones |
| 21:10.40 | jonquark | CM: prepaid and contract |
| 21:11.00 | CM | Ok, should work |
| 21:11.16 | CM | Only issue I've had was that my prepaid was out of credit |
| 21:11.19 | retracile | I'm trying to get a passwordsafe program setup on my FR. MyPasswordSafe seems to work reasonably, has the necessary fields, and uses passwordsafe-compatible files. But it has no import capabilities. :/ |
| 21:11.26 | CM | And then the freerunner behaved a bit weird |
| 21:11.45 | CM | s/freerunner/Neo 1973/ |
| 21:12.26 | retracile | Anyone know of something else I could use for the import step? |
| 21:12.48 | jonquark | So is there a log file somewhere that I can investigate for GSM problems on 2008.8? |
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| 21:14.59 | Dave | retracile :P |
| 21:15.07 | Dave | sorry I don't know what you could use :) |
| 21:16.14 | retracile | Dave: You're not much help. ;P |
| 21:16.36 | Dave | Well, sorrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyy :) |
| 21:17.22 | retracile | scoffs at Dave's uselessness ;D |
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| 21:18.02 | CM | retracile: You need to put Dave in a Lab to make him useful.. ;) |
| 21:18.20 | Dave | hides |
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| 21:20.52 | Dave | :o |
| 21:22.57 | Tanuva | CM: such a wheel for hampsters would be useful :> |
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| 21:25.11 | CM | Tanuva: Hehe, http://tinyurl.com/q28fg :D |
| 21:25.38 | Dave | :o |
| 21:28.52 | Tanuva | *fg* |
| 21:32.26 | Ark1_ | is openmoko turning a profit yet? |
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| 21:44.58 | Zorkman | what are you guys using on 2007.2 to connect to wifi? lintwifi, mofi, wifi-radar or something else? |
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| 21:46.48 | TankC | Hey all |
| 21:47.05 | TankC | How do I get into the wlan settings using the Qtopia GUI? |
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| 21:57.57 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rae4b6a30a4d0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade the kernel to get the sensor fixes from Andrzej and Andy |
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| 22:21.18 | anschelsc | I seem to have a simcard problem |
| 22:21.41 | anschelsc | as far as the software is concerned, the card just isn't there |
| 22:22.08 | anschelsc | the phone works with a different card (my mothers) but not with my father's card |
| 22:22.36 | anschelsc | my father and I both have the same cingular pay-as-you-go plan, my mother has a cingular "normal" plan |
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| 22:22.45 | anschelsc | my card and my father's both work in other phones |
| 22:22.52 | Nemo_ | hi |
| 22:23.03 | Nemo_ | is there any release date for GTA03? |
| 22:23.20 | anschelsc | my card is the same size and shape as my mother's |
| 22:23.27 | anschelsc | but the contacts are different |
| 22:23.38 | anschelsc | any ideas? |
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| 22:24.17 | torindel | Nemo_: no, but there are first testing pieces out |
| 22:25.23 | torindel | Nemo_: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td729555|a729555 |
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| 22:28.27 | anschelsc | sorry for being offline, did anyone answer my question? |
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| 22:31.17 | jonquark | anschelsc: There are other people with your problem |
| 22:31.22 | jonquark | me included |
| 22:31.35 | anschelsc | is there a solution? |
| 22:31.44 | torindel | get other sim |
| 22:31.51 | torindel | or wait for gta03 |
| 22:32.03 | jonquark | See bugs in OM's trac: 666, 1766 & 1852 |
| 22:32.10 | torindel | it's supposed to have diffrent gsm chip |
| 22:32.47 | anschelsc | no software solution then? |
| 22:32.48 | jonquark | It depends on what the error actually is, some people in 1766 have had luck updating the software to some of zecke's builds |
| 22:33.04 | jonquark | I've tried with 3 different SIMs so far... no luck with any yet :/ |
| 22:33.05 | anschelsc | where are the bugs filed? |
| 22:33.16 | lindi- | anschelsc: did you already mention what command you used and how it failed? |
| 22:33.28 | jonquark | https://docs.openmoko.org/trac |
| 22:33.42 | anschelsc | lindi: you don't understand, nothing works, it's as if the card isn't there |
| 22:34.09 | anschelsc | i can't use the dialer or contacts or anything, and the error is something like "SIM card not found" |
| 22:34.33 | lindi- | anschelsc: i'd like to see AT commands |
| 22:34.49 | anschelsc | what are AT commands? |
| 22:34.52 | lindi- | anschelsc: the GUI just makes things more difficult to understand |
| 22:35.01 | jonquark | anschelsc: Depending on whether you are using 2007.2 or 2008.8 you can get logs wioth more info either in /tmp/gsmd.log or by typing logread |
| 22:35.11 | lindi- | anschelsc: the commands the gsm chip reads from serial port |
| 22:35.25 | anschelsc | 2008.8 |
| 22:35.27 | anschelsc | logread? |
| 22:35.28 | Zorkman | I know there is a gui to see GSM information (conneciton strenght, cell id...) but I can't find it anymore |
| 22:35.33 | Zorkman | anybody know where to find it? |
| 22:36.04 | jonquark | anschelsc: ssh in from a computer using usb networking and look at the output from typing logread |
| 22:36.10 | anschelsc | ok |
| 22:36.13 | anschelsc | will do |
| 22:36.26 | anschelsc | is busy doing that |
| 22:36.48 | jonquark | It'll be a lot of output... you'll need to save to to a file and transfer it back to the computer |
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| 22:39.24 | anschelsc | is sorry for going offline /again/ |
| 22:39.25 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03zecke * r4603 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-browser2/po/ (LINGUAS it.po): Add italian translation from https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1108 |
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| 22:46.15 | anschelsc | ok, I have the output of logread saved to my computer, should I upload it somewhere? |
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| 22:48.46 | torindel | anschelsc: some pastebin |
| 22:49.04 | jonquark | anschelsc: I'm curious: do you see +CME ERROR: 13 or some other number? |
| 22:49.23 | anschelsc | +CME ERROR: 13 |
| 22:49.32 | anschelsc | alternated with AT+CIMI |
| 22:49.40 | anschelsc | lots of them |
| 22:50.19 | jonquark | yeah me too (I got my Freerunner yesterday). The gsm modem is not able to talk to the sim card at all |
| 22:50.30 | jonquark | bug #666 is about that for 3G sim cards |
| 22:50.56 | anschelsc | this isn't 3G |
| 22:50.59 | jonquark | bug 1852 I opened an hour or so ago for my 2G sims |
| 22:51.24 | anschelsc | this is the cheapest plan on the market from several months ago |
| 22:51.26 | anschelsc | i'm looking at it now |
| 22:51.30 | jonquark | I suspect they might dupe 1852 on 666 and track it all in there |
| 22:52.02 | anschelsc | for some reason chatzilla is linkifying those to bugzilla |
| 22:52.09 | anschelsc | i assume you mean https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1852 |
| 22:52.11 | jonquark | :) |
| 22:52.15 | jonquark | yep |
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| 22:55.51 | anschelsc | well I'm subscribed (rss) to the bug |
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| 22:55.58 | anschelsc | one last question: |
| 22:56.15 | anschelsc | is it possible to return the phone if i can't get this working? |
| 22:57.26 | spydon | anschelsc, what is your problem? |
| 22:57.44 | anschelsc | same as bug 1852 |
| 22:57.54 | spydon | and that is? :P |
| 22:57.57 | anschelsc | https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1852 |
| 22:58.29 | spydon | ah ok |
| 23:00.38 | anschelsc | sorry, I have to go unless someone has info about returning this thing |
| 23:00.43 | anschelsc | anyone? |
| 23:02.43 | jucs | Does anyone know how to add news feends? |
| 23:02.52 | jucs | To the openmoko feedreader? |
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| 23:08.11 | jucs | http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-feedreader2/src/feed-configuration.c <- RRRRR |
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| 23:21.26 | Zorkman | anybody have gutenflash working? |
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