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| 00:01.45 | lambda__ | since i updated to ASU my pc can not see my neo as a USB Modem (CDC ACM) anymore :( |
| 00:01.54 | lambda__ | i worked on 2007.07 |
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| 00:02.09 | lambda__ | issue come from the phone itself |
| 00:02.19 | lambda__ | root@om-gta02:~# modprobe g_serial |
| 00:02.28 | lambda__ | FATAL: Error inserting g_serial (/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/g_serial.ko): Device or resource busy |
| 00:03.58 | lambda__ | no idea please ? |
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| 00:09.19 | stevenSn | lambda_: Did you try reflashing your kernel? |
| 00:09.47 | lambda__ | could i dodge this step ? |
| 00:10.26 | lambda__ | stevenSn: you're right i think it 's the right way to do |
| 00:10.55 | tim_abell | i hate it when comanies just pretend linux doesn't exist. makes me feel like a mac user. "Sorry we can not provide technical support for linux. I know it is possible to use the keyboard on it but unfortunately I'm not able to tell you how. |
| 00:10.56 | tim_abell | " |
| 00:14.35 | tim_abell | so far my recommendation is to not buy the "freedom universal keyboard" that I just bought :( |
| 00:15.46 | kd8ikt | should have bought a frogpad |
| 00:17.08 | kd8ikt | also why doesn anyone need a keyboard? when there is ssh |
| 00:17.42 | SpeedEvil | Not everyone is plugged in all the time. |
| 00:17.43 | kd8ikt | unless said keyboard was attached to my pand leg and very thin with bluetooth... |
| 00:17.53 | kd8ikt | pant* leg |
| 00:18.10 | kd8ikt | lap keyboard |
| 00:18.32 | SpeedEvil | Problem with linux is that there is no microsoft. |
| 00:18.48 | Biovore | thats also its strong suit |
| 00:18.48 | kd8ikt | cmon SpeedEvil asif the phone wasnt large anough already, do we really want to lug around a fricken keyboard |
| 00:18.52 | SpeedEvil | For all of microsofts massive suckyness, there is basically one window manager with several versions. |
| 00:19.17 | kd8ikt | they keyboard app just needs to be updated |
| 00:19.33 | SpeedEvil | And that WM has a set stack of basic software underneath it that all works - sortof - one predictable way. |
| 00:19.44 | SpeedEvil | It's possible to train support monkeys on it. |
| 00:19.53 | KenYoung | SpeedEvil, you would have liked VAX/VMS. |
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| 00:19.57 | SpeedEvil | For 'linux' it's basically not. |
| 00:19.59 | kd8ikt | i was tossing around an idea in my head that the keyboard could take up the entire screen and be semi transparent, also you can toggle it on/off screen |
| 00:20.11 | SpeedEvil | KenYoung: no I diddn't. |
| 00:20.24 | kd8ikt | heh ken is leet |
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| 00:20.33 | SpeedEvil | KenYoung: I diddn't say I liked that it was hard to support, or that I liked the alternatives. Just that it was. |
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| 00:20.57 | kd8ikt | teh VAXEN are comming! the VAXEN are comming! (redcoats) |
| 00:21.17 | SpeedEvil | The 'best' solution in many cases is just to drop a block of source on the community and hope they pick it up. |
| 00:21.36 | SpeedEvil | Or get with the relevant maintainer before shipping product. |
| 00:21.41 | Biovore | yeah.. the throw it aginst the wall solution.. See if it sticks.. |
| 00:22.14 | SpeedEvil | For example, for printers, it's possible to get it sorted with a cups driver. |
| 00:22.47 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.27 | SpeedEvil | (The canon inkjet I got at the same time is sitting looking sulky still though) |
| 00:26.02 | kd8ikt | yeah i have a lexmark all in one scanner/printer linux drivers? psha and pigs fly in cincinnati |
| 00:27.06 | kd8ikt | what i dont get is there is a osx driver and i've spent countless hours disecting and still nocloser to getting it to work with linux |
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| 00:28.05 | kd8ikt | why is it such a taboo for companies to throw out a simple access driver |
| 00:28.07 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.31 | SpeedEvil | Where everyone using linux orders a printer that doesn't work with linux, and then returns it under the distance selling rules. |
| 00:29.34 | kd8ikt | i installed windows at one time just to toy with the printer their drivers are so supid, it actually has a wav file that plays "now printing" when i send a pint job to it |
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| 00:30.27 | kd8ikt | i still laugh when i think of it |
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| 00:40.01 | ace-- | if i type reboot, will the phone come back or will it turn itself off or something? |
| 00:40.15 | ace-- | (the phone's at work and i'm sshing to it, so i'd prefer not to have to drive over :) |
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| 00:40.47 | Infoport | ace - it will reboot. You should probably type reboot && exit, so you local end of ssh doesnt lock up |
| 00:41.21 | aggtrfrad | i have some issues with usb and my linux Dist though |
| 00:41.25 | ace-- | oh local end hanging is fine, ~. works well :) |
| 00:41.26 | Infoport | ace -- of course it will reboot to the regular boot, not holding down AUX |
| 00:42.05 | ace-- | yeah that should be ok, let me try it :) |
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| 00:42.31 | aggtrfrad | i have to cennect after boot or i get device wont accept address something from dmesg |
| 00:42.35 | aggtrfrad | connect |
| 00:43.09 | tdobson | CRYS |
| 00:43.19 | tdobson | "can I install Windows CE on the Freerunner" |
| 00:44.28 | tdobson | - that's a latest topic from openmoko-cpmmunity list |
| 00:44.57 | ace-- | worked fine :) |
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| 00:47.02 | widrone | tdobson: just mindboggeling really, Im guessing whoever will run into driver issues? *evil grin* |
| 00:52.30 | tdobson | widrone: yeah. though I'm not 100% sure tbh that they couldn't be solved. having said that I have never ever used windows CE and hopefully never will |
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| 00:53.15 | tdobson | I mean the device doesn't use any *unique* hardware does it? I'm sure win CE smartphones have used most of the hardware before.... ? I don't know/me doesn't care |
| 00:53.39 | widrone | nope, and the code is open already so it should not be impossible at all. |
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| 01:40.47 | aggtrfrad | im running fluxbox :) |
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| 02:24.47 | retracile | Anyone know what the right options to use with mkfs.jffs2 are? My next try is going to be: -e 128 --pad --no-cleanmarkers |
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| 02:49.50 | dbmoodb | widrone: they would have to get it to work on a windows platform -- that's not fun |
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| 02:51.51 | dbmoodb | its not about just putting windows on it .. like i'm sure the wifi, gprs, bluetooth touch screen would all work to some degree -- to how much is limited |
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| 02:52.39 | Sargun | windows on the Openmoko? |
| 02:52.49 | dbmoodb | Sargun: yeah it wouldn't work -- windows ce |
| 02:52.54 | retracile | shudders at the thought |
| 02:53.03 | dbmoodb | like its windows cement :) |
| 02:53.06 | Sargun | are you sure it wouldn't work? |
| 02:53.07 | widrone | each to his own I guess, seems strange still. There must be enough phones running CE out there already, I say "get off my lawn!" ;) |
| 02:53.15 | Sargun | I should ask the CE guy at work |
| 02:53.26 | dbmoodb | Sargun: where would you find it ? like ok you have to first get a "legal" image of it |
| 02:53.39 | Sargun | dbmoodb, My employer has platform buildder |
| 02:53.51 | Sargun | bebackinten |
| 02:54.09 | dbmoodb | then put it together then work out how to get the damn thing to run off the sdcard and recognise uboot then have a proper bootloader. Then you are going to need to spend a bit porting |
| 02:54.34 | dbmoodb | sure go for it -- it would be interesting. but i don't see many in this room jumping up and down for it |
| 02:55.05 | Sargun | I wouldn't want to do it |
| 02:55.09 | Sargun | but I'm sure its possible |
| 02:55.25 | dbmoodb | Sargun: "should" be possible you enver know with microsoft |
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| 03:09.25 | ieatlint | yay for american foot |
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| 03:09.36 | ieatlint | ball being |
| 03:09.42 | ieatlint | oon tvv |
| 03:10.38 | ieatlint | bah, this keyboard is hitting enter when i tap the edgess |
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| 03:30.59 | rooly | so |
| 03:31.12 | rooly | are there any devs that worked on the exposure/settings app? |
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| 03:35.31 | ieatlint | exposure was doone by the paid openmoko devs in taiwan methinks |
| 03:35.48 | rooly | damnit |
| 03:35.59 | rooly | well, for some reason, adding a line to a function makes it not work anymore |
| 03:36.41 | dbmoodb | mm mmm m |
| 03:36.54 | ieatlint | that's a pretty broad statement |
| 03:37.00 | rooly | ieatlint |
| 03:37.31 | rooly | i add a "os.system("bla bla bla")" and it now no longer recognizes the wifi's current setting |
| 03:37.36 | rooly | it stays at "unknown" |
| 03:38.33 | ieatlint | i heard the unknownn issue wass due to a stale fi |
| 03:38.37 | ieatlint | le |
| 03:38.58 | rooly | well, i deleted the byte compiled code |
| 03:39.12 | ieatlint | you |
| 03:39.20 | rooly | the .pyo |
| 03:39.23 | ieatlint | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.32 | rooly | yeah, well, i tried |
| 03:39.36 | rooly | and it just made itself right back |
| 03:39.38 | rooly | so no harm done |
| 03:40.04 | ieatlint | it's a config file in /var i think |
| 03:40.21 | rooly | hmm |
| 03:40.28 | ieatlint | thatt caches things .. dunno |
| 03:40.41 | ieatlint | only heard |
| 03:41.01 | rooly | well, i know /var/run/wpa_config/eth0 keeps it from connecting to a new wifi if you're already "connected" |
| 03:41.27 | ieatlint | sorryy for me typing, i'm on the neo over gprs |
| 03:41.40 | rooly | neat |
| 03:41.57 | rooly | i'm considering getting a data plan |
| 03:43.24 | rooly | searches thru var |
| 03:43.42 | rooly | ieatlint, why would it hang on to it even thru a reboot |
| 03:44.34 | ieatlint | because the app itself needs to purge it |
| 03:44.48 | ieatlint | and it's a bug |
| 03:45.22 | ieatlint | wwell, you can purge it byy hand |
| 03:45.52 | ieatlint | but i mean the system won't, it'll only do it |
| 03:46.01 | ieatlint | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.28 | rooly | right |
| 03:46.36 | rooly | maybe i can tell it to store in there somewhere |
| 03:48.35 | ieatlint | or you could just fix the bug :P |
| 03:49.07 | rooly | i could |
| 03:49.23 | rooly | but that would require me to go thru so many damned things... |
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| 03:50.41 | ieatlint | quick hackk vs proper fix.. bravo |
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| 03:56.45 | ieatlint | this.pants ^= 1; |
| 03:57.04 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.50 | kd8ikt | i saw a vid on youtube about the linux convention you went to ieatlint |
| 03:58.03 | kd8ikt | coulda swore they mentioned some of your work |
| 03:58.06 | ieatlint | oh? |
| 03:58.14 | ieatlint | lol |
| 03:58.25 | kd8ikt | some hawt lil reporter chick |
| 03:58.54 | kd8ikt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJjNF36DfI |
| 03:58.59 | ieatlint | hmmm, i don't recall meeting a hot reporter |
| 03:59.23 | kd8ikt | thats probably cause the booth guys cock blocked you |
| 03:59.31 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 03:59.35 | ieatlint | can't watch that now, i'm on my |
| 03:59.41 | kd8ikt | oh |
| 03:59.47 | ieatlint | phone |
| 04:00.04 | ieatlint | will watch later |
| 04:00.07 | kd8ikt | well its on youtube search openmoko and watched the latest added one should bring it |
| 04:00.30 | kd8ikt | Zorkman: showed me the link |
| 04:01.24 | KenYoung | The quote on that video "It's not necessarily a phone" is true on many levels. |
| 04:01.26 | ieatlint | thhe freebsdd guys are always the fun ones |
| 04:01.44 | rooly | hrm |
| 04:01.47 | rooly | exposure.fif |
| 04:01.49 | rooly | fifo |
| 04:02.34 | ieatlint | that's not really a file rooly |
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| 04:03.13 | rooly | oh? |
| 04:03.17 | rooly | well...i just deleted it |
| 04:03.30 | ieatlint | freaky aussies |
| 04:03.46 | ieatlint | rooly: man mkfifo |
| 04:03.55 | raster | freaks-r-us.com.au |
| 04:04.09 | wantok | :/ |
| 04:04.25 | ieatlint | freaks.r.us |
| 04:04.45 | wantok | freaks.ru/s |
| 04:04.50 | rooly | meh... |
| 04:04.59 | rooly | i hope i didn't destroy mah phone |
| 04:05.01 | ieatlint | hah |
| 04:05.12 | ieatlint | rooly: you didn't |
| 04:05.30 | ieatlint | it shpuld just remake it |
| 04:06.02 | ieatlint | but a fifo dooesn't really store data, so it's not it |
| 04:07.00 | retracile | Anyone interested in debian on the FR: I got debian to fit in the FR's flash; instructions sent to the community list. |
| 04:07.44 | wantok | retracile: can you fw: it to me if i give you an addy? i'm not on the list :( |
| 04:07.46 | ieatlint | ok, new |
| 04:07.48 | wantok | s/(/) |
| 04:08.05 | retracile | wantok: sure |
| 04:08.30 | ieatlint | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.37 | rooly | aww |
| 04:08.41 | rooly | i'm not of drinking age |
| 04:08.42 | retracile | ieatlint: As long as it's water. |
| 04:08.50 | KenYoung | retracile, That's an amazing feat! |
| 04:09.02 | rooly | i'll get my whiskey |
| 04:09.13 | wantok | retracile: i pm'd you my address |
| 04:09.15 | ieatlint | rooly: how oldd are you? |
| 04:09.17 | kd8ikt | more like you down a beer while considering how to fix it |
| 04:09.21 | rooly | 19 |
| 04:09.33 | kd8ikt | heh 19 never stoped me from drinking |
| 04:09.38 | rooly | right |
| 04:09.39 | retracile | wantok: got it; email sent. |
| 04:09.45 | wantok | thank you |
| 04:09.52 | ieatlint | so go to canada or mexico |
| 04:09.55 | rooly | the drinking age in my state was 18 until i turned 12 |
| 04:10.01 | ieatlint | wee'll wait |
| 04:10.54 | retracile | KenYoung: It turned out to be pretty straight forward because jffs2 is _compressed_. (Thank you, mjr, for the forehead-slapping reminder.) |
| 04:11.18 | rooly | ieatlint, i can't find anything aside from exposure.fifo |
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| 04:11.26 | retracile | KenYoung: I added things like, oh, vim-gtk to the install, and I still have 53MB free. :) |
| 04:11.31 | ieatlint | huffman yay |
| 04:11.52 | retracile | And with that, it's time I crawl into bed. g'night y'all! |
| 04:12.21 | ieatlint | what state are you in rooly? |
| 04:12.39 | rooly | louisiana |
| 04:12.52 | ieatlint | oh, sorry |
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| 04:12.57 | rooly | it's hot, but damn the food is good |
| 04:13.03 | ieatlint | :P |
| 04:13.13 | wantok | retracile: thanks a lot, sleep well :) |
| 04:13.17 | rooly | hrm |
| 04:13.22 | rooly | i think i'll grep exposure |
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| 04:13.37 | dgilmore | dfu-util shows me Found Runtime: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
| 04:14.07 | dgilmore | what do i need to do to get my neo1973 into the right state to put 2008.8 on |
| 04:14.30 | ieatlint | you do know the rest of thhe country regards LA as inbred and uneducated? |
| 04:14.36 | rooly | i sure do |
| 04:15.15 | rooly | but i'll be damned if i let the birthplace of the best food, music, and parties in the world be anything but a badge of honor |
| 04:15.21 | ieatlint | especiallly us here in california |
| 04:15.49 | ieatlint | yeah, you've good food |
| 04:15.50 | rooly | most californians i've met are wuss snobs, and the other half are gay |
| 04:16.11 | rooly | so i don't take a californians opinion very seriously |
| 04:16.13 | ieatlint | haha |
| 04:16.40 | ieatlint | maybe the ones who go to LA are |
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| 04:18.06 | rooly | yeah...they usually can't take the heat either |
| 04:18.20 | ieatlint | just don't judge us on socal and i won't judge you on deliverance |
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| 04:18.48 | rooly | i'll be honest, i don't keep up with the news. what's deliverance |
| 04:19.20 | ieatlint | cali has the hottest place in the americas |
| 04:19.27 | rooly | it's hot |
| 04:19.30 | rooly | but it's not the real hot |
| 04:19.41 | rooly | the real hot is the one where you can't breath its so hot |
| 04:19.50 | ieatlint | rooly: put the name into imdb |
| 04:19.52 | rooly | you step outside the door and are already sweating |
| 04:20.10 | ieatlint | deliverance is a classic |
| 04:20.43 | rooly | right. you don't judge us by movies, and i won't judge yall by socal |
| 04:21.20 | ieatlint | well, i live in sf, so the hot days are80 |
| 04:21.35 | ieatlint | and they are rare |
| 04:21.40 | rooly | the hot days over here start at about 75 |
| 04:21.55 | rooly | louisiana likes to stay in the 90's over the summer |
| 04:22.49 | rooly | what's an edje file do |
| 04:23.06 | raster | it eats small children |
| 04:23.16 | ieatlint | indeed |
| 04:23.40 | rooly | isn't it basically like a gtk theme |
| 04:23.51 | rooly | the equivalent of, i mean |
| 04:24.01 | raster | ummmm |
| 04:24.04 | ieatlint | raster actually has no idea |
| 04:24.08 | raster | significantly more |
| 04:24.17 | raster | .edj is an all-in-one file |
| 04:24.19 | raster | like a .zip file |
| 04:24.25 | rooly | shit |
| 04:24.26 | mmontour | f*cking PMU. I had my FR running on the charger with no battery for a few minutes, but I can't get it to do it again. |
| 04:24.29 | ieatlint | don't believe a word he says |
| 04:24.30 | rooly | so that could be my problem |
| 04:24.33 | raster | u can random-access any part of it trivially. it's more efficient than having multiple files |
| 04:24.42 | raster | and it contains images, fonts, and layout configuration |
| 04:24.54 | raster | edje - the library loads these, and can instantiate visual objects |
| 04:24.57 | raster | these objects can animate |
| 04:25.07 | raster | think of it much more like flash than a gtk theme |
| 04:25.30 | rooly | but would it affect the wifi and bluetooth settings |
| 04:25.31 | raster | these theme (edje) elements are able tobe controleld by code - interacted with, react to user events and interactions etc. |
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| 04:26.04 | raster | well not the actual config of the devices |
| 04:26.07 | raster | it may affect the ui |
| 04:26.08 | ieatlint | but it is a type of conttaineer |
| 04:26.12 | rooly | right |
| 04:26.16 | raster | yes |
| 04:26.18 | raster | a kind of container |
| 04:26.21 | raster | and then some |
| 04:26.53 | ieatlint | and it does eat children |
| 04:27.03 | raster | yum yum |
| 04:27.06 | rooly | so |
| 04:27.11 | rooly | where is this file i wonder |
| 04:27.12 | raster | tasty and tender |
| 04:27.22 | ieatlint | and not in the michael jackson way |
| 04:27.24 | rooly | i'll probably have to browse thru every single line of python for a file path |
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| 04:31.35 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r096677b2b81c 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/ (__init__.py otimed.py): [otimed] Creation of the subsystem |
| 04:32.10 | rooly | hrm |
| 04:32.13 | rooly | "/etc/exposure_adv_opt" |
| 04:33.59 | rooly | exposure was written by marek |
| 04:34.48 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rc45f168c54d7 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 04:34.48 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: [oeventsd] Added trigger for time change events |
| 04:34.48 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: * Added the Time(hour, minute) trigger in the rule file |
| 04:34.48 | CIA-48 | freesmartphone.org: * Added the Debug(msg) action |
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| 04:41.35 | ieatlint | whiskey good |
| 04:46.44 | ieatlint | verb bad |
| 04:46.57 | kd8ikt | yes good |
| 04:47.23 | rooly | so |
| 04:47.27 | rooly | i just sent an email to him |
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| 04:47.42 | rooly | oh, btw |
| 04:47.47 | rooly | exposure is not longer turning on |
| 04:48.24 | ieatlint | remake the fiifo? |
| 04:48.48 | rooly | the fifo is *supposed* to be in /tmp |
| 04:49.11 | ieatlint | and chastise a programmer who doesn't auto remmakee it |
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| 04:49.26 | rooly | it is automade |
| 04:49.35 | rooly | if it doesn't exist, it makes one |
| 04:49.56 | rooly | it existed in /var/tmp anyway |
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| 04:50.57 | ieatlint | ah as it should be |
| 04:51.17 | rooly | right |
| 04:51.23 | rooly | but i seem to have just killeded it |
| 04:51.34 | rooly | and exposure throws all it's debug to null |
| 04:51.36 | rooly | so... |
| 04:51.39 | rooly | goes change that |
| 04:53.19 | ieatlint | oh no, you borked teh programme |
| 04:53.31 | rooly | big time |
| 04:53.39 | rooly | shit man |
| 04:53.43 | rooly | no debug means no fixie |
| 04:54.07 | rooly | seriously |
| 04:54.16 | rooly | who forwards debug to null on an incomplete program |
| 04:54.46 | ieatlint | pro-grammar or programmer |
| 04:55.08 | rooly | that's those damned koreans i bet |
| 04:55.14 | ieatlint | english rules |
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| 04:57.21 | Infoport | is anybody having issues with Display Locker in OM2007? it now only shows the top image and the small sliding logo right under it |
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| 04:59.31 | Infoport | the files are all there in /usr/share/neod, and they have the same permissions as north.png, but... |
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| 05:05.33 | rooly | right |
| 05:05.43 | rooly | so i added a variable to this class |
| 05:05.49 | rooly | and now it doesn't run at all |
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| 05:10.10 | Infoport | should the display locker files have different permissions than root:root 644 ? |
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| 05:15.55 | dgilmore | is there a 2008.8 image for neo1973 hardware? |
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| 05:21.12 | rwhitby | dgilmore: no |
| 05:21.23 | dgilmore | rwhitby: thanks |
| 05:21.26 | rwhitby | there is fso-testing for gta01 however |
| 05:21.31 | rooly | rwhitby, do YOU know any python? |
| 05:21.36 | rwhitby | (that's what I use) |
| 05:21.40 | rwhitby | rooly: python newbie here |
| 05:21.43 | rooly | may know python by the end of tonght |
| 05:22.17 | rooly | i'm trying to add in led toggling to the exposure app |
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| 05:22.21 | rooly | but i seem to have broken it |
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| 05:23.24 | doc|home | that's generally agreed to not be good |
| 05:24.15 | rooly | right |
| 05:26.21 | rooly | okay |
| 05:26.22 | rooly | rebooting |
| 05:26.27 | rooly | to clear it from memory |
| 05:26.32 | doc|home | :) |
| 05:26.33 | rooly | now i'm gonna TRY AGAIN! |
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| 05:28.30 | ieatlint | python is relatively easy at least |
| 05:29.52 | ieatlint | i want to live at 1337 pope st |
| 05:30.16 | raster | poop |
| 05:30.28 | doc|home | no thanks, I've just eaten |
| 05:30.49 | admiral0 | hi all |
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| 05:35.07 | alephnull | How long is the battery supposed to last with 2008.8 ? |
| 05:36.05 | Infoport | well forcing a reinstall of displaylocker got the standard one working, so now hopefully the other will work :-/ |
| 05:36.26 | admiral0 | alephnull:approximatevely 10h |
| 05:37.18 | alephnull | admiral0: ok. |
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| 05:46.09 | Infoport | weird, now the alternate themes for display locker won't work for me. |
| 05:46.24 | rooly | there are altername themes? |
| 05:46.32 | mmontour | hmm, wifi stops when the battery's removed, but I don't see a direct Vbat to it on the schematic. |
| 05:47.52 | Infoport | several programs have been problematic using the manual directions, now that they have been added to mainline |
| 05:48.55 | rooly | wonders how to poll the power of a device |
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| 05:50.22 | Infoport | rooly, yes and they *used* to work just fine before added to mainline Openmoko |
| 05:50.32 | ozzloy | who wants to go to the beach tomorrow? |
| 05:50.35 | ozzloy | wrong channel |
| 05:50.39 | doc|home | me! |
| 05:50.57 | doc|home | can I come anyway? |
| 05:51.03 | rooly | i want to! |
| 05:51.06 | rooly | oh damn |
| 05:51.08 | rooly | i'm moving tomorrow |
| 05:51.24 | doc|home | moving to the beach? beach housewarming party! |
| 05:51.30 | rooly | nah |
| 05:51.32 | Infoport | rooly some of them are really cool also...I like the puzzle them, the choice theme and the road them |
| 05:51.43 | Infoport | if only they worked |
| 05:51.52 | doc|home | oh what, we're not good enough to come to your beach housewarming party? |
| 05:51.57 | rooly | i'd like to know if i could poll power status of devices |
| 05:52.18 | doc|home | you can, but don't ask me how |
| 05:52.45 | rooly | hmm |
| 05:53.03 | rooly | i wonder if i could make a daemon in a shell script |
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| 05:53.41 | ieatlint | not easily |
| 05:54.00 | rooly | does sleep 10 stop the whole system during boot? |
| 05:54.01 | ieatlint | daemon for what? |
| 05:54.03 | rooly | or just the script |
| 05:54.38 | rooly | meh, just poll wifi and bt power status and maintain led's |
| 05:54.45 | ieatlint | if the system waitts foor the script it doea |
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| 05:55.14 | rooly | it'd basically be started by init.d |
| 05:55.17 | rooly | with an & |
| 05:55.52 | ieatlint | alcohol immpairs hand eye coordination.. no way |
| 05:56.26 | ieatlint | the & should ensure it doesn;'t block |
| 05:57.04 | rooly | right |
| 05:57.15 | rooly | i'll just tell it to sleep inside the script |
| 05:57.22 | rooly | now i need to figure out how to poll device status |
| 05:57.45 | tunys | who's that guy who works at Koolu? |
| 05:58.11 | rooly | i don't know but he emailed me personally |
| 05:58.26 | ieatlint | rooly search wiki for sysfs |
| 05:58.33 | rooly | yeah... |
| 05:58.46 | ieatlint | andrew is a guy i met from koolu |
| 05:59.31 | rooly | ieatlint, but i want to POLL the data |
| 05:59.45 | tunys | there's a guy in here who works at Koolu |
| 05:59.48 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 06:00.06 | ieatlint | so cat the /sys files |
| 06:00.22 | tunys | cats the /sys files for that guys name |
| 06:00.25 | ieatlint | it'll give you the status |
| 06:00.54 | rooly | right |
| 06:00.55 | rooly | okay |
| 06:01.06 | rooly | i've been cat-ting and it hasn't returned anything so far |
| 06:01.14 | rooly | other things of course |
| 06:01.30 | ieatlint | which device |
| 06:01.38 | rooly | i don't know |
| 06:01.43 | rooly | just random files in general |
| 06:01.59 | ieatlint | uhm, ok |
| 06:02.03 | tunys | man, who was that guy? |
| 06:02.31 | mmontour | tunys: bricode is the Koolu guy |
| 06:02.40 | rooly | hmm |
| 06:02.41 | tunys | bricode! |
| 06:02.43 | tunys | that's him |
| 06:02.44 | rooly | thinks of something |
| 06:02.56 | rooly | blue for bt, oj for wifi, purp for gps |
| 06:03.00 | rooly | and it'll be a heartbeat |
| 06:03.00 | tunys | he's not here :( |
| 06:03.05 | rooly | whaday think |
| 06:03.16 | ieatlint | mmmm,oj |
| 06:03.30 | tunys | well maybe one of you will know--how long does it typically take for Koolu to ship FreeRunners? |
| 06:03.33 | tunys | I heard the info on the site was outdated |
| 06:03.36 | rooly | i got mine in 3 weeks |
| 06:03.56 | tunys | where do you live, rooly? |
| 06:04.20 | rooly | louisiana |
| 06:04.20 | tunys | oic |
| 06:04.26 | mmontour | got mine in a week (Canada) |
| 06:04.46 | tunys | how long ago, rooly, mmontour? |
| 06:04.56 | rooly | i ordered on july 7th |
| 06:05.07 | mmontour | ordered 2 weeks ago, got it 1 week ago (approximately) |
| 06:05.12 | rooly | got it when i came home, around the 28th or s |
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| 06:09.52 | admiral0 | i ordered mine at bearstech.... |
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| 06:10.08 | admiral0 | they didn't write the house number... |
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| 06:10.49 | ieatlint | i went to linuxworld, grabbed a demo and ran |
| 06:12.36 | doc|home | mmontour: nice, liking it? |
| 06:14.20 | mmontour | doc|home: so far, about equal parts "liking it" and "swearing at it". |
| 06:14.32 | doc|home | hehe |
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| 06:14.38 | doc|home | sounds about right |
| 06:14.58 | ieatlint | :) |
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| 06:15.45 | ieatlint | openmoko's new slogan "WHY?!" |
| 06:16.50 | mmontour | I'm convinced that at least one senior Openmoko employee must be a covert agent working for one of their competitors. |
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| 06:25.06 | ace-- | openmoko has competitors? :) |
| 06:26.54 | rooly | yeah |
| 06:27.02 | rooly | apple, nokia, google |
| 06:27.06 | rooly | linmo |
| 06:27.07 | ace-- | haha :) |
| 06:27.25 | rooly | all of them trying to make a usable phone |
| 06:27.38 | ace-- | apple's phone is pretty usable :) |
| 06:27.39 | rooly | ace--, would you like your led's to be put to use? |
| 06:27.47 | Infoport | ok, I think my other display locker files must have been corrupted in copying them to my PC-- redownloaded and they seem to work |
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| 06:28.27 | ace-- | openmoko is the only opensource phone i could find, and that's the only reason to buy a phone who's software isn't finished yet |
| 06:28.38 | ace-- | so the others aren't real competitors :) |
| 06:28.40 | rooly | agreed |
| 06:28.59 | Infoport | funny-- the "choice" them has words under each letter... Speech, Thought, Freedom, Expression, Equality, Monkeys |
| 06:29.06 | nullpuppy | true. nokia looks like they might be headed in that direction though. |
| 06:29.18 | ace-- | 2 years from now only :) |
| 06:29.21 | tunys | I must say, I am far more impressed with this cheap-o Nokia prepaid phone than I am with this Moto RAZR I got from Sprint |
| 06:29.25 | nullpuppy | hehe, yeah :) |
| 06:29.40 | nullpuppy | where is this new slogan? |
| 06:31.31 | Infoport | a bunch of alternate themes are here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker#Themes |
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| 06:32.17 | Infoport | I really like the choice theme, but somehow I never noticed "Monkeys" at the end |
| 06:33.07 | rooly | hmm |
| 06:33.10 | rooly | those dont' work on my phone |
| 06:33.59 | Infoport | rooly you have to reboot before the new one works supposedly |
| 06:34.00 | Bill_ | uhh.. estonians just got their legal iphone seller today... the prices are outrageous.. |
| 06:34.03 | ozzloy | if my bluetooth keyboard shows up in hcitool inq, does that means it's connected? |
| 06:34.14 | ozzloy | also, now that it's connected, how do i type with it? |
| 06:34.22 | rooly | Infoport, om2008.8 |
| 06:34.30 | rooly | the lock is the [aux] button |
| 06:34.40 | ozzloy | this is on 2008.8 image |
| 06:34.40 | Infoport | rooly ahhh...this is in OM2007 |
| 06:34.54 | rooly | i honestly like 2007 more |
| 06:35.00 | rooly | but it just doesn't work as well |
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| 06:35.49 | nullpuppy | rooly: i dunno, i'm still using 2007.2 because i found it more reliable. |
| 06:36.06 | nullpuppy | granted, i haven't tried 2008.8 in about a week... |
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| 06:36.44 | ozzloy | has anyone in here used a bluetooth keyboard with a freerunner? if so, what distro? |
| 06:37.26 | mjr | 2007.2 could just "connect" to one from the menu |
| 06:37.40 | mjr | don't know if the newer ones have gui support |
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| 06:39.31 | rooly | so |
| 06:39.33 | rooly | this is neat |
| 06:39.43 | rooly | i have 5 bars in my house |
| 06:39.50 | rooly | even tho my house is a dead zone |
| 06:39.58 | raster | i'll have a vodka martini thanks |
| 06:40.46 | ieatlint | use gin |
| 06:40.54 | ieatlint | it's better |
| 06:41.20 | ieatlint | annd the FR has decent reception |
| 06:41.52 | ieatlint | note the gsm antenna is on the bottom curve |
| 06:43.42 | ieatlint | raster: is it true you aussies have egg nog year round? |
| 06:43.56 | raster | intravenus baby |
| 06:44.17 | ozzloy | mjr: well i'm connected to it (i think) i did it manually through cli |
| 06:44.31 | raster | intravenous i mean |
| 06:44.32 | raster | :) |
| 06:44.44 | ieatlint | no reallyy, i want to know :P |
| 06:45.00 | raster | dude... eggnog is some american thnig |
| 06:45.12 | raster | we drink beer and wine here |
| 06:45.22 | raster | and wel of course your share of spirits too |
| 06:45.40 | ieatlint | no, it wass juustt popularised here |
| 06:45.48 | tunys | so when I get my FreeRunner, should I immediately install 2008.8 on it or not? |
| 06:46.06 | ieatlint | is yellowtail a joke there? |
| 06:46.45 | ieatlint | 'tis the most knoown aussie wine in cali |
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| 06:47.51 | Zorkman | I read a case study about yellowtail :) |
| 06:47.53 | mmontour | tunys: not, IMHO. I wasn't impressed by 2008.8 and I'm now trying FSO. |
| 06:48.17 | ieatlint | someday i need to go to aussieland |
| 06:48.18 | tunys | why didn't you like 2008.8? |
| 06:48.46 | ieatlint | i want to be deported from each continent |
| 06:49.12 | raster | ieatlint: its a wine. i know that. dont know anything else for "yellowtail" except that its also a kind of fish. |
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| 06:50.04 | alphabeat | is there some party in australia i don't know about? |
| 06:50.13 | raster | always |
| 06:50.18 | raster | speaking of party |
| 06:50.22 | alphabeat | doh |
| 06:50.25 | raster | got me one tonight down in the snow... |
| 06:50.38 | raster | awesome snow season this year |
| 06:50.39 | ieatlint | shrimp on the barbie |
| 06:50.45 | alphabeat | too right mate |
| 06:50.59 | raster | guy from austria was impressed to the point of "it's better than the alps" |
| 06:51.08 | ieatlint | pfff no snow in aussieland |
| 06:51.09 | alphabeat | somewhere in the act raster? |
| 06:51.10 | Zorkman | I find it always amusing to look at christmass pictures from australia (@ the beach :-)) |
| 06:51.11 | raster | that says something |
| 06:51.19 | raster | when .au is beating .at in snow. |
| 06:51.24 | raster | alphabeat: perisher |
| 06:51.32 | alphabeat | ahhsoo |
| 06:51.33 | tunys | mmontour: helloes? |
| 06:51.35 | ieatlint | new zealand you mmean |
| 06:51.48 | raster | alphabeat: well.. i'm in sydney now.. i need to jump in my wheels and voom in a bit |
| 06:52.00 | wantok | hm. almost beer o clock |
| 06:52.09 | alphabeat | you can't keep still eh? |
| 06:52.11 | raster | ieatlint: no. this year .au is better than .nz for snow - whihc is very odd. |
| 06:52.25 | raster | alphabeat: nah. itchy bum. needs to keep wiggling |
| 06:52.26 | raster | :) |
| 06:52.27 | wantok | afk :) |
| 06:52.31 | alphabeat | xD |
| 06:52.39 | mmontour | tunys: I didn't care for it visually (personal preference) and I didn't see that it offered much additional functionality beyond what 2007.2 had a few months ago. I didn't spend a lot of time with 2008.8 though. |
| 06:53.03 | tunys | oic |
| 06:53.32 | ieatlint | welll, whenn i visit sydney, i'lll have to terrorise you |
| 06:53.33 | alphabeat | well it's nice up here in brisbane. beautiful weather ;) did rain a bit today though but the temperature's been nice |
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| 06:53.57 | raster | alphabeat: aaah brissie! |
| 06:54.00 | mmontour | The bug density in 2008.8 also seems to be quite high, based on the wiki and mailing lists. |
| 06:54.16 | raster | had rain here today too |
| 06:54.19 | raster | sun is just out now tho |
| 06:54.23 | raster | ok |
| 06:54.27 | ieatlint | hasn't rained here since march |
| 06:54.29 | raster | time to blow this popsicle stand |
| 06:54.32 | raster | almost 5 |
| 06:54.49 | tunys | mmontour: yeah, some of these are pretty scary |
| 06:55.15 | tunys | I guess I'll stick with 2007.2 for a little bit |
| 06:55.17 | alphabeat | what are you up to in sydney ieatlint? |
| 06:55.29 | alphabeat | aren't you in SF? |
| 06:55.33 | tunys | mmontour: how ya likin' FSO |
| 06:55.43 | ieatlint | i am |
| 06:56.22 | ieatlint | i intend to visit sydney in thhe next two years |
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| 06:56.34 | Infoport | ok, off to rest my back...I need a recliner for my computer |
| 06:56.48 | ieatlint | i love western culture... |
| 06:57.04 | alphabeat | it's alright i guess |
| 06:57.21 | mmontour | Looks nice so far, but I'm just starting to read about how it's put together (frameworkd, gsm0710muxd, etc). Also I still haven't been able to build a working fso-image myself. |
| 06:57.49 | ieatlint | pplastic money freaks :;Pp |
| 06:59.17 | raster | popsicle time! |
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| 07:08.18 | rooly | jesus man |
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| 07:08.33 | rooly | my phone has been having 5 bars in a 0-bar area for the past 4 hours now |
| 07:08.37 | rooly | no idea why |
| 07:09.09 | ieatlint | could be stale data |
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| 07:09.25 | tunys | mmontour: oic |
| 07:09.27 | rooly | does sh or bash have a goto? |
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| 07:09.35 | ieatlint | or your other phone sucks ass |
| 07:09.52 | rooly | no, ieatlint, all the other phones dont' connect |
| 07:10.01 | rooly | all the other 400$ ones included |
| 07:10.06 | ieatlint | rooly: ... hehe |
| 07:10.08 | rooly | and btw, its not stale data |
| 07:10.12 | ieatlint | goto |
| 07:10.14 | rooly | i can hear the gsm in the speakers |
| 07:10.23 | rooly | goto? it does? |
| 07:10.33 | rooly | kk, it's not highlighted in gedit |
| 07:10.34 | ieatlint | C has goto! |
| 07:10.40 | rooly | yeah, i know |
| 07:10.41 | ieatlint | :P |
| 07:11.54 | ieatlint | sorry, gooto has this never use reputation iin programming |
| 07:12.10 | rooly | but not scripting! |
| 07:12.23 | ieatlint | try it on a bash terminal |
| 07:12.29 | ieatlint | type goto |
| 07:12.47 | ieatlint | if it says cmd not found... |
| 07:13.02 | rooly | not found... |
| 07:13.10 | zash | GOTO :HELL |
| 07:13.21 | tunys | why are you using goto? |
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| 07:13.36 | zash | http://xkcd.com/292/ |
| 07:13.52 | ieatlint | learn pythhonn or php |
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| 07:14.09 | zash | php sucks |
| 07:14.19 | tunys | just put the code you're going to goto in another shell script |
| 07:14.26 | ieatlint | says you |
| 07:14.42 | rooly | i want to cycle the script |
| 07:14.49 | rooly | &'s it |
| 07:15.37 | tunys | rooly: while true? |
| 07:15.47 | rooly | shell script |
| 07:15.59 | rooly | just &'s it at the end of the script |
| 07:16.23 | ieatlint | shellls havee whie truue |
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| 07:17.04 | rooly | hmm |
| 07:17.10 | rooly | a 5 second heartbeat |
| 07:17.16 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:17.33 | ieatlint | goto is bad because therexare better ways to do it 99% of the time |
| 07:18.02 | rooly | of course |
| 07:18.16 | AVee | 100% of the time, or your programming language is incomplete.... |
| 07:18.47 | rooly | like omledd.sh: ...... #finished, sleep 10, omledd.sh & |
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| 07:20.23 | ieatlint | rooly, you said you know soome c? |
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| 07:20.48 | rooly | i'm a c/c++ programmer |
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| 07:21.01 | rooly | and apparently, i can totally fsck up python code |
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| 07:21.16 | ieatlint | so why not use c? |
| 07:21.25 | rooly | cause it takes too long |
| 07:21.47 | ieatlint | uhm, ok |
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| 07:23.55 | rooly | writing this in c would be like pulling using a coast-guard boat to rescue someone from a swimming pool |
| 07:24.04 | rooly | i mean yeah, it'll get done, but why use all that power |
| 07:25.27 | ieatlint | because it works efficiently |
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| 07:25.56 | ieatlint | c isnn't overkiill |
| 07:26.37 | rooly | for this it is |
| 07:26.41 | rooly | i'll show you |
| 07:26.47 | ieatlint | when you use bash to call 5 programs/.. they're all writtn in c |
| 07:27.07 | rooly | http://rafb.net/p/M9vZGS11.html |
| 07:27.14 | rooly | why write that in c |
| 07:27.59 | ieatlint | that's too much effort to looad |
| 07:28.14 | rooly | ...? |
| 07:28.17 | ieatlint | i'm still on the neo |
| 07:28.20 | rooly | lol |
| 07:28.27 | rooly | i could use pastebin |
| 07:28.27 | ieatlint | in gprs |
| 07:28.29 | rooly | this is rafb |
| 07:28.38 | ieatlint | no |
| 07:28.40 | DieMumiee | bash on a phone? |
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| 07:28.52 | DieMumiee | hmm that must be phone that needs 2 minutes to boot.. |
| 07:28.54 | rooly | bash, sh, ksh, ash, bsh, etc |
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| 07:29.03 | ieatlint | it's putting the url in minimo |
| 07:29.06 | rooly | snickers at DieMumiee's truthful comment |
| 07:29.10 | rooly | ic, ieatlint |
| 07:29.14 | rooly | want an easier one? |
| 07:29.31 | ieatlint | i dunno |
| 07:29.43 | ieatlint | been drinking |
| 07:29.52 | ieatlint | hennce typos |
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| 07:31.07 | rooly | http://tinyurl.com/5kfw77 |
| 07:31.18 | ieatlint | privmsg if short? |
| 07:31.28 | rooly | 31 lines |
| 07:31.31 | rooly | you don't mind? |
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| 07:38.04 | Zorkman | looks like Qi (kboot) is ready for GTA02 |
| 07:38.17 | Zorkman | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-August/004643.html |
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| 07:40.13 | rooly | right |
| 07:40.26 | rooly | is currently testing whether his heartbeat works will on standby |
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| 07:43.11 | ieatlint | do it in c |
| 07:43.31 | ieatlint | it's not overkill |
| 07:43.52 | rooly | but it's so much fun this way |
| 07:44.12 | ieatlint | just use fopen... just as cat does |
| 07:44.36 | rooly | uses cat as his text editor |
| 07:45.40 | ieatlint | use ed |
| 07:45.48 | zash | BUTTERFLIES! |
| 07:45.59 | rooly | no seriously |
| 07:46.01 | rooly | this is crazy |
| 07:46.04 | rooly | ... |
| 07:46.08 | rooly | my house is a dead zone |
| 07:46.11 | rooly | and i have 5 bars |
| 07:46.13 | rooly | WTF! |
| 07:46.35 | swc|666 | is there a kernel patch to overclock the gta02? |
| 07:46.40 | ieatlint | be happy |
| 07:48.41 | rooly | i am |
| 07:48.45 | rooly | but i have yet to try and call anyone |
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| 07:58.02 | KenSentMe | What is the terminal package called for 2008.8 |
| 07:59.44 | KenSentMe | Nvm, found it |
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| 08:03.50 | rooly | righto |
| 08:03.53 | rooly | this seems to be working |
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| 08:05.43 | rooly | just need to see if it works in suspend |
| 08:07.34 | rooly | nope |
| 08:07.36 | rooly | sighs |
| 08:07.46 | rooly | anyone know how to make programs work during suspend? |
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| 08:08.58 | ruxpin | hi - has anyone worked with sms messages in PDU encoding? |
| 08:09.27 | rooly | maybe that person who wrote "smstool" |
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| 08:10.50 | alphaone | ruxpin: I'm currently working on PDU support in ogsmd |
| 08:11.31 | D-fence | does someone tried to install Debian ? Here the install.sh script ends at the debian stage with 'E: Internal error: install' ! Can someone help me ? |
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| 08:12.19 | ruxpin | can smstool convert between PDU and text formats? |
| 08:13.14 | ruxpin | alphaone: I'm working with AT commands and kermit, and I need to create an sms service backed with a database |
| 08:13.34 | rooly | oooo |
| 08:13.46 | rooly | neat, an sms-sending server |
| 08:14.02 | rooly | but alas, i say aduei |
| 08:14.05 | rooly | nn |
| 08:15.23 | ruxpin | I was reading through PDU references and was thinking perhaps I don't need to reinvent the wheel |
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| 08:23.17 | Sargun | PDU: Power distribution unit? |
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| 08:32.04 | alphaone | ruxpin: Sounds interesting. |
| 08:32.11 | alphaone | Sargun: Payload Data Unit |
| 08:32.19 | Sargun | oh |
| 08:32.59 | Zorkman | lol @ nick ruxpin |
| 08:33.54 | alphaone | ruxpin: There's some free software out there for that purpose... Haven't really played with it much, though |
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| 08:40.55 | sirkha_top | can you send/recieve phone calls while online using gprs? |
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| 08:47.06 | alphaone | sirkha_top: You can't have both at the same time, no |
| 08:47.14 | alphaone | Not with the FR at least |
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| 08:48.27 | sirkha_top | ah, too bad, alphaone |
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| 08:48.49 | phrozen77 | but with other phones that would be possible? |
| 08:48.50 | pabs3 | is there a way to suck all the contacts and sms messages off a sim card into vcards or something? |
| 08:49.18 | sirkha_top | pabs3: python? |
| 08:49.51 | pabs3 | python would be fine, I'm using the FSO stack on a Debian install |
| 08:50.17 | sirkha_top | i know of scripts that will allow importation of vcards to evolution data server, it shouldn't be that hard to go the other way around |
| 08:50.38 | sirkha_top | i don't know of any scripts that do it, though |
| 08:50.46 | sirkha_top | *has school or would play with it* |
| 08:50.52 | pabs3 | I mean off a sim card, evolution is easy to get stuff out of |
| 08:51.30 | sirkha_top | right, you should be able to use the framework |
| 08:52.05 | xt | how does one get .ipk-packages installed on debian? (: |
| 08:56.11 | sirkha_top | pabs3: /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrievePhonebook() |
| 08:56.35 | sirkha_top | i'd tell you if it works, but my sim doesn't have any contacts on it |
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| 09:05.30 | lindi- | xt: one packages them for debian. tar xzvf foo-1.23.tar.gz && cd foo-1.23 && dh_make && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot && sudo dpkg -i ../foo*.deb |
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| 09:06.01 | lindi- | D-fence: please report that to pkg-fso-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org with all the information you can give |
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| 09:06.16 | D-fence | ok |
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| 09:15.47 | transylvania | hello everybody, anyone have an idea why, after reflashing uboot, root-partition and kernel, my freerunner manage to boot using nor flash and get a kernel panic with nand ? (kernel and / in 20080424, uboot in uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin) |
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| 09:40.09 | D-fence | lindi: it worked by changing the mirror to ftp.de.debian.org. So, I think that I don't have to fill a bug. |
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| 09:45.35 | tomboy64 | is an app available that can handle push-mail? |
| 09:46.18 | tomboy64 | and is there an app that can count the traffic on a given device every month and lock after exceeding it? (i have a gprs-limit of 200mb) |
| 09:48.11 | kinneh | tomboy64: dont think so |
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| 09:48.21 | tomboy64 | for both? :-S |
| 09:48.24 | kinneh | mm |
| 09:48.34 | tomboy64 | meh |
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| 09:48.39 | tomboy64 | sulks |
| 09:49.01 | kinneh | tomboy64: it's still really early in development |
| 09:49.06 | tomboy64 | :-D |
| 09:49.11 | tomboy64 | i know, i know |
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| 09:54.51 | pabs3 | hmmm, I wonder what it means when the FSO stack returns a bunch of uppercase hex instead of the text of a message |
| 09:59.38 | rep | are there any directions on how to add starters to illumes application list? |
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| 10:28.01 | rep | puh i am definately disappointed by the illume environment... if i wanted to use another windowmanager that i know better like fvwm - is there a reasonable way to get a keyboard like illume's Full-QWERTY.kbd running as a standalone app? |
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| 10:31.32 | lindi- | rep: < lindi-> raster: hi, any idea how tighly tied illume keyboard is to enlightenment? ;) |
| 10:31.35 | lindi- | rep: < raster> lindi-: entirely |
| 10:32.12 | lindi- | rep: i am struggling with the keyboard issue too. i wouldn't want to reinvent the wheel but existing keyboards all have issues :P |
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| 10:34.18 | rep | jeah... |
| 10:34.24 | rep | that's sad news |
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| 10:39.13 | lindi- | rep: i modified matchbox a bit too just to experiment |
| 10:39.28 | lindi- | rep: and tried vkbd demo of e |
| 10:39.46 | lindi- | rep: do you know C? |
| 10:43.21 | rep | well i am not the c expert, but wrote a good amount of code myself jeah :D |
| 10:44.23 | rep | matchbox keyboard looks quite good on the first look |
| 10:45.59 | rep | i'll get a plain debian running here now... the om 2008-08 is a little too packed with stuff i don't want :) |
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| 10:47.54 | lindi- | rep: yesterday i thought i could make a completely invisible virtual keyboard that highlights the key when you touch the screen, this way you can use whole screen for normal apps and you don't need to do any fancy transparency stuff which might be slow |
| 10:48.49 | rep | mmh won't that be tough to type with? |
| 10:49.05 | lindi- | rep: http://iki.fi/lindi/darcs/keyboard/ is a prototype that tests 1) grabbing mouse so that other apps don't receive clicks when it is in use 2) moving a small popup window around the screen 3) sending key events to xterm using libfakekey |
| 10:49.35 | rep | sounds good - i'll take a look |
| 10:49.36 | lindi- | rep: i'd think you'll learn where the keys are quite fast, and you can always move your finger around until you highlight the right key :) |
| 10:50.09 | lindi- | rep: it was written in 15 minutes just to see that i can get all the necessary functionality using gtk |
| 10:50.15 | rep | okay :) |
| 10:50.40 | lindi- | rep: also, maybe i could get lower latency by reading from touchscreen directly and not via X? |
| 10:51.47 | rep | could be possible.. but i don't know if one can access this while in X directly... |
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| 11:48.49 | hiciu | Pjj: dbus-launch gconftool-2 -s /desktop/poky/interface/wallpaper -t string /home/root/wallpaper.jpg |
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| 11:56.52 | alephnull | What is the 'additional software required' for a web browser on 2008.8 ? |
| 11:57.39 | alephnull | minimo seems to have a dependency problem. |
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| 12:19.31 | alephnull | On 2008.8, I've replaced Default.kbd with Terminal.kbd but after every reboot (or resume), the old keyboard is back. |
| 12:19.41 | alephnull | How do I make this permanent ? |
| 12:21.29 | dns53 | install illume-config and change between both kb's and it will save it |
| 12:23.23 | alephnull | dns53: illume-config doesn't show the terminal keyboard as an option. It has Default or None. |
| 12:24.02 | dns53 | change it to none,then change it to default |
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| 12:24.17 | alephnull | After replacing Default.kbd ? |
| 12:24.34 | dns53 | yes |
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| 12:34.39 | enrico | is there some documented procedure to report bugs? I'd like to file this (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2008-May/001647.html) as I can reproduce it as well |
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| 12:37.44 | lindi- | enrico: just bugs.openmoko.org |
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| 12:49.40 | Rupert_ | Does anybody know is there a Wiki page on the Contacts app in OM2008.08? Trying to find is there a search feature. |
| 12:52.13 | Tanuva | lindi-: can you maybe tell me where I can get such base.qemu file for qemubuilder/pbuilder from? I can't find anything about it.. :/ |
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| 13:04.33 | enrico | lindi-: thanks |
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| 13:09.57 | mjr | which ttySAC was the gps again... |
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| 13:11.13 | dns53 | /dev/ttySAC1 |
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| 13:24.14 | Wonka | naaarf... |
| 13:24.46 | Wonka | wpa_supplicant, wpa_cli... but no wpa_action |
| 13:25.14 | bumbl | what's wpa_action? never heard of it |
| 13:26.23 | Wonka | a script to configure addresses and stuff on the wlan interface, after wpa_supplicant associated and authenticated to an AP |
| 13:26.47 | Wonka | developed by debian wpasupplicant maintainers |
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| 13:28.13 | rep | lindi-: qtopia 2008-08-08 seems to have two keyboards in their distribution - the first one is exactly the illume keyboard of OM2008-08-08 and the second one is a grey full-qwerty keyboard - maybe it is actually possible to decouple illume's keyboard? i am trying to find out what this is in detail ... |
| 13:28.34 | Tanuva | rep: that might be the matchbox-one. |
| 13:29.36 | rep | the second one looks like the matchbox one |
| 13:29.44 | Tanuva | that's what I mean |
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| 13:30.26 | rep | but the first keyboard's behaviour is the same that illume's has. that would be indicating one can use this keyboard in other wm's... |
| 13:30.37 | rep | it was told before one could not. |
| 13:30.44 | rep | that's why i was wondering... |
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| 13:50.55 | |Marco| | something has been done in one of the repositorys that has to do with freerunner that does so touchscreen is'nt working anymore |
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| 13:52.21 | lindi- | rep: thanks |
| 13:52.40 | lindi- | rep: what vm does qtopia use? |
| 13:52.42 | lindi- | wm |
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| 13:53.03 | ike | framebuffer? :-) |
| 13:53.31 | lindi- | Tanuva: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner has setup instructions for qemubuilder |
| 13:53.49 | lindi- | ike: that's what i'm thinking too, so how can illume keyboard work there? |
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| 13:54.29 | ike | lindi: not sure really. Try at #qtopia@freenode. |
| 13:55.13 | Tanuva | lindi-: yes, I just found out that it builds the base.qemu by itself- now it's missing "execlp", I'm researching... >.< |
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| 13:55.46 | Tanuva | thought I had to provide base.qemu by myself |
| 13:56.42 | lindi- | Tanuva: fortunately you don't have to :) |
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| 13:57.09 | lindi- | Tanuva: i think i'll add hint to wiki about moving the configuration file to ~/.pbuilder so that you don't need to specify it all the time |
| 13:57.19 | mmaestri | mjr, dns53: are you sure that gps is /dev/ttySAC1 ? |
| 13:57.40 | Tanuva | lindi-: good idea :) |
| 13:59.21 | dns53 | mmaestri that's what i use for gpsd and tango gps |
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| 14:03.45 | Tanuva | argh, can't find execlp anywhere >.< |
| 14:06.21 | alephnull | Is illume unavailable from zecke's repo ? |
| 14:06.39 | alephnull | It's in the Packages.gz but not at the server. |
| 14:06.52 | alephnull | (so I get a 404) |
| 14:07.39 | lindi- | Tanuva: unistd.h? |
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| 14:13.58 | Torikun | any windowmaker users / |
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| 14:23.13 | ruxpin | I'm executing AT commands on a GSM device through kermit and /dev/ttyUSB. Why I get the "OK" return before all of the data (like a list of SMS messages, AT+CMGL=..) is being sent to the terminal? |
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| 14:24.23 | zash | "ok, i'm on it" perhaps? |
| 14:24.25 | zash | iduno |
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| 14:25.43 | ruxpin | the problem is that there is no second "OK, listing finished" |
| 14:26.06 | ruxpin | I'll have to wait for RSSI or BOOT which the driver seems to be giving quite frequently |
| 14:26.29 | ruxpin | but sometimes those may interfere the listing => fail |
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| 14:30.02 | lindi- | ruxpin: why do you torture your openmoko with such proprietary software? i'd start cli-frameworkd and type gsm.DebugCommand("at+clir?\r\n") |
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| 14:33.48 | ruxpin | lindi-: I'm not working on openmoko unfortunately |
| 14:34.28 | Tanuva | lindi-: unistd.h is in /usr/include... but what does pbuilder want to do with it? http://rafb.net/p/cJtveT26.html |
| 14:34.37 | lindi- | $ |
| 14:34.55 | lindi- | Tanuva: odd |
| 14:35.22 | lindi- | Tanuva: it tries to execlp some binary and that binary is missing? |
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| 14:36.05 | lindi- | Tanuva: if that happens outside qemu (i think it does) you could just strace to see which one returns ENOENT? |
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| 14:38.12 | Tanuva | lindi-: omg. it's debootstrap itself it couldn't find. apt solved the problem for me |
| 14:38.25 | Tanuva | sometimes I feel kinda dumb on solving problems... |
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| 14:39.06 | lindi- | Tanuva: hah :) is it mentioned in the wiki? |
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| 14:39.41 | Tanuva | lindi-: no |
| 14:40.40 | lindi- | it's not even dependency+ |
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| 14:41.52 | lindi- | Tanuva: do you have debian unstable? |
| 14:43.50 | Tanuva | lindi-: yep, sidux |
| 14:44.16 | lindi- | sidux+ |
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| 14:44.44 | lindi- | ah some livecd |
| 14:44.51 | tunys | wtf??? |
| 14:44.56 | Tanuva | no, they just provide a livecd |
| 14:45.03 | tunys | Where's bricode? :( |
| 14:45.23 | Tanuva | it's debian sid extended with some very useful maintenance scripts and controlled d-u path |
| 14:45.40 | Tanuva | the livecd is including the disk installer |
| 14:45.43 | lindi- | Tanuva: qemubuilder depends on qemu and qemu recommends debootstrap |
| 14:45.52 | Tanuva | ah |
| 14:46.03 | Tanuva | I had qemu here for quite some time, seems I missed that then |
| 14:46.13 | lindi- | but maybe that should be a dependency |
| 14:46.18 | lindi- | and not recommmends: line |
| 14:46.33 | Tanuva | at least for qemubuilder that would be nessecary |
| 14:47.41 | PBeck | hallo |
| 14:47.53 | lindi- | Tanuva: you can use qemubuilder with image made by somebody else |
| 14:48.01 | lindi- | Tanuva: anyways, i reported this as a bug to debian |
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| 14:48.17 | admiral0 | hi |
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| 14:48.33 | admiral0 | how do i see battery level from terminal? |
| 14:49.03 | lindi- | admiral0: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/bat org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.GetEnergyPercentage |
| 14:49.37 | admiral0 | works on the preinstalled image?(thanks) |
| 14:49.46 | Tanuva | lindi-: okay... it hangs again after some additional mkfs run... |
| 14:49.49 | lindi- | admiral0: which one is the preinstalled image? |
| 14:49.55 | Tanuva | lindi-: do you know a source for such an image file? |
| 14:49.58 | lindi- | admiral0: some old 2007.2? |
| 14:50.24 | lindi- | Tanuva: i'd say we rather should fix the build first |
| 14:50.26 | admiral0 | lindi- yes |
| 14:50.50 | lindi- | admiral0: doesn't work there then :/ |
| 14:51.05 | admiral0 | in fact... mdbus not found :D |
| 14:51.21 | Tanuva | lindi-: hmm. okay. I have to mow the lawn now, brb in half an hour I think. Then I'm going to start over to see if it was just me :) |
| 14:51.31 | admiral0 | i'll put 2008.08 |
| 14:51.42 | lindi- | admiral0: i have tested this only on debian |
| 14:51.50 | admiral0 | as soon as it finishes first charge |
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| 14:53.50 | admiral0 | the battery seems full on the ui... ok... i |
| 14:53.57 | admiral0 | i can continue |
| 14:54.10 | admiral0 | thanks again |
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| 15:00.52 | munga_ | how do I check which uboot version I've installed on my freerunner ? |
| 15:01.06 | D-fence | banshee fonctionne jusqu'au moment où on appuie sur play, ça plante après un bruit de caserole. |
| 15:01.14 | wurp2|working | some command from boot console |
| 15:01.19 | D-fence | oops, wrong channel |
| 15:01.22 | D-fence | sorry |
| 15:01.30 | wurp2|working | try logging into boot console & typing help |
| 15:02.47 | tunys | Nevermind. |
| 15:02.51 | tunys | wtf moment over |
| 15:03.06 | munga_ | and another one ... I can see a tiny soldering mark between the 4th and 5th ping of my sd card. This is documented to be the workaround for the GPS problem. Is this now fixed in the factory ? I got my freerunner just yesterday... |
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| 15:04.56 | tunys | I need $100. |
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| 15:06.13 | kd8ikt | munga is there a cap there? |
| 15:06.23 | mjr | I know this nigerian who can get you $100k |
| 15:06.29 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 15:06.54 | munga_ | kd8ikt: a cap ? |
| 15:07.17 | kd8ikt | in broken english/engrish (some old man is dying and i need 100$ to het 10000$ will you give me the money and i'll give you all of the 10000 |
| 15:07.40 | tunys | kd8ikt: good idea |
| 15:07.46 | tunys | I know plenty of people who would fall for that |
| 15:07.59 | kd8ikt | i even got hit with spam stories like that when i put my laptop on craigslist |
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| 15:08.18 | kd8ikt | you can always tell by the terrible syntax |
| 15:08.28 | munga_ | Morover it seem I can boot the freerunner without the battery contrary to what I read about the battery problem that can't boot is the battery is dry ... |
| 15:08.45 | munga_ | when the battery is dry I mean |
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| 15:09.32 | kd8ikt | like this one story i should have kept cause it was funny, they were like overseas and wanted it for their daughter then later it says for his son... |
| 15:09.51 | kd8ikt | what you cant remember the lie you just made up? |
| 15:10.15 | kd8ikt | check the grammar and continuity of the story for christ sake |
| 15:10.48 | kd8ikt | i should learn whatever language they use and hit em back |
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| 15:17.20 | Infoport | munga_ really? that's great! do you boot with it on USB and no battery, or just on the power cord and no battery? |
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| 15:18.10 | munga_ | usb and no battery ... |
| 15:18.25 | munga_ | I didn't try with the powercord yet... just a moment. |
| 15:20.01 | munga_ | it also works with the power cord and no battery... :) |
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| 15:20.40 | johnsu01 | is jealous |
| 15:20.56 | johnsu01 | I had to go buy a spare battery and go through that whole rigmarole |
| 15:21.07 | munga_ | Infoport: I was kind of surprised since the HW problem are just the first thing in your face on the wiki |
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| 15:21.39 | munga_ | the datecode on my freerunner is 20080728 |
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| 15:26.31 | Bish | does the openmoko automatically turn on if its fully charged? |
| 15:27.45 | mmontour | munga_: what board revsion do you have (shown in "cat /proc/cpuinfo")? Mine (v5) will not boot with the battery removed. |
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| 15:29.13 | Xaos | ok...been out of the loop for a while...trying to catch up...how do the images at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ differ from the 2008.8/ASU? |
| 15:29.17 | ShellEvil | USB3 mobile connector. |
| 15:29.18 | ShellEvil | http://dl.maximumpc.com/galleries/usb3/usb3_05_full.jpg |
| 15:29.31 | ShellEvil | Because that doesn't look horribly fragile and hard to align at all. |
| 15:30.48 | Xaos | wouldn't the qtopia-x11 builds on http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ be the same as an updated 2008.8? |
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| 15:33.49 | mwester | Xaos: see topic! |
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| 15:34.37 | Xaos | mwester: I'm not talking about upgrading...I'm talking about flashing the images that are there |
| 15:34.47 | munga_ | mmontour: I'm flashing the device atm... give me 20 mins... |
| 15:34.50 | Xaos | I assume the topic is talking about an opkg update? |
| 15:34.54 | mwester | You can flash them, but they are NOT 2008.8 |
| 15:35.27 | mwester | There was a discussion on the mailing list (devel list I think). |
| 15:36.54 | mwester | I've stopped working on 2008.8; until the confusion gets sorted and someone can tell me CLEARLY what to do to build the correct sources to duplicate the official 2008.8 releases, I figure I'm just wasting time. It's just too confusing with too many build systems. |
| 15:37.25 | Infoport | Xaos apparently there is yet another fork distribution, called buildhost.openmoko.org and it is the qtopia-x11 builds on buildhost |
| 15:37.40 | transylvania | hello everybody, anyone have an idea why, after reflashing uboot, root-partition and kernel, my freerunner manage to boot using nor flash and get a kernel panic with nand ? (kernel and / in 20080424, uboot in uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin) |
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| 15:38.01 | transylvania | is it possible to compare env status of nand and nor ? |
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| 15:38.53 | mmontour | connect to the u-boot console (/dev/ttyACM0) and run "printenv" |
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| 15:39.22 | Infoport | transylvania I had a problem after changing things recently and got same panics-- I reflashed uboot, uboot_env, and the others, and got it back working (inc the SD card boot, which had stopped too for some reason, but came back after just changing the others) |
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| 15:40.27 | transylvania | Infoport: the problem is that this is not coming back for me |
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| 15:40.31 | ruxpin | is there an AT command that gives you the friendly name of the current link tower cell id? |
| 15:40.41 | transylvania | mmontour: I will post this in a pastebin |
| 15:41.00 | mmontour | OK. Look at the "bootcmd" variable in particular. |
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| 15:43.29 | transylvania | mmontour: http://pastebin.com/d22128e6f |
| 15:43.35 | transylvania | bootcmd=setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts}; nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel 0x200000; bootm 0x32000000 |
| 15:45.07 | transylvania | for beginning I don't see the interest of menu 3/5 abd 2/4 duplication |
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| 15:46.05 | transylvania | s/abd/and/ |
| 15:46.26 | mmontour | bootargs_base is wrong, should have root=/dev/mtdblock6. |
| 15:46.29 | transylvania | funny bot :) |
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| 15:47.42 | transylvania | mmontour: can I change this "online" or must I rebuild a u-boot_env with envedit.pl ? |
| 15:48.34 | mmontour | also take out the "console=ttySAC0,115200". Just use "setenv bootargs_base ..." to set it to the right value, then "saveenv". |
| 15:49.19 | mmontour | It looks like you flashed an environment partition from a Neo1973 instead of a Freerunner. |
| 15:49.41 | transylvania | ok |
| 15:50.05 | transylvania | this is possible, I can have made a mistake choosing my file |
| 15:50.09 | Infoport | trnasylvania I had to do the flash from it at the uboot menu first -- none of them were coming up for me either. Probably my uboot_env was borked |
| 15:50.30 | Infoport | apt are you crazy |
| 15:50.58 | Infoport | apt how are you today? |
| 15:51.00 | apt | Infoport: what are you talking about? |
| 15:51.23 | Infoport | apt I'm talking about enjoying a Neo Freerunner |
| 15:51.40 | Infoport | apt have you heard of Eliza? |
| 15:51.55 | Infoport | apt doesnt want to talk much today |
| 15:52.10 | Infoport | aot goodbye! |
| 15:52.15 | Infoport | apt goodbye! |
| 15:52.15 | apt | L8rz! |
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| 15:54.29 | Zorkman | it's shy :) |
| 15:54.54 | transylvania | is "bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=tty0 loglevel=8 regular_boot" good ? mmontour |
| 15:55.11 | transylvania | or is the dot after 6 important ? |
| 15:56.53 | mmontour | should work, although I'm not sure what that "regular_boot" at the end does. You can boot into NOR and "printenv" there for comparison. |
| 15:57.06 | mmontour | I can't check my FR right now because my battery is discharged. |
| 15:57.10 | Xaos | mwester: belated thanks....manager came up to "talk" for a few... |
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| 15:58.51 | transylvania | mmontour: my nor line: bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=4 regular_boot |
| 15:59.04 | apt | holds widrone to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails, courtesy of widrone |
| 16:00.04 | transylvania | are the log more verbose or less thise loglevel increase ? |
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| 16:00.54 | mmontour | probably best to use that same line in NAND. I think the "8" is the more verbose loglevel but I'm not sure. |
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| 16:02.51 | transylvania | I will keep loglevel to 4 and just console=tty |
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| 16:03.06 | transylvania | my worst problem is the root I think |
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| 16:03.52 | mmontour | yeah, that's the one that stopped you from booting. The "console=ttySAC0" might have messed up your GSM. |
| 16:04.52 | mmontour | afk for a while |
| 16:05.15 | transylvania | wtf ?! "## Error: illegal character '=' in variable name "bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2" |
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| 16:06.04 | mmontour | if you're doing a setenv you don't put the first "=", so "setenv bootargs_base rootfstype=jffs 2..." |
| 16:06.11 | Infoport | ok, off to try to get Brews Festival tickets! |
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| 16:08.35 | transylvania | rebooting ... |
| 16:08.44 | transylvania | seems really better |
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| 16:08.52 | transylvania | thanks for your help |
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| 16:08.57 | Tanuva | lindi-: mk2fs hangs again on the second time it's called... if I kill the qemubuilder process, it continues doing something.. |
| 16:10.39 | lindi- | Tanuva: weird |
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| 16:10.56 | lindi- | Tanuva: can you try this on a real system instead of livecd? |
| 16:11.01 | MrShleee | Important question: Where is the ScummVM port for FSU? |
| 16:11.41 | MrShleee | O |
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| 16:13.05 | Tanuva | lindi-: this IS my real system, as I said before the livecd is just there to try it out and to run the installer |
| 16:13.19 | lindi- | ah |
| 16:14.41 | widrone | MrShleee: Have a look here maybe: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=37116&package_id=29373&release_id=579019 |
| 16:14.55 | transylvania | excellent, I have a working boot menu |
| 16:15.09 | widrone | MrShleee: Atleast they got arm compiled ipks. Not saying its a drop in and go, but its a start =P |
| 16:15.25 | transylvania | with 200804 on the internal memory, 2008.8 on the sdcard |
| 16:15.38 | transylvania | and only one console redirection off each type |
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| 16:25.29 | lloyd_fedora | has anyone installed debian on the freerunner |
| 16:26.15 | bricode | lloyd_fedora: A bunch of people got it working at DebConf. |
| 16:27.26 | Tanuva | I'm actually running it |
| 16:27.31 | Tanuva | there's an installer script available |
| 16:28.03 | lloyd_fedora | Tanuva: when i run the script it stops .. cause it runs out of space |
| 16:28.19 | Tanuva | then your card is too small :) |
| 16:28.53 | Tanuva | afaik there's no easy way to shrink the basic install manually... |
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| 16:29.17 | lloyd_fedora | Tanuva: the 512 mb .. it stops while downloading the first file .. cdebootstrap.deb |
| 16:29.50 | Tanuva | is there already data on it? |
| 16:30.15 | lloyd_fedora | Tanuva: no |
| 16:31.09 | Tanuva | hmm... it just worked for me, can't help there very much... |
| 16:32.35 | lloyd_fedora | Tanuva: k |
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| 16:41.12 | cga | hi folks |
| 16:41.55 | munga_ | which browser can I use with the freerunner qtopia image ? |
| 16:42.24 | DPThought | what a pitty we have so little NOR flash http://axfs.sourceforge.net/ I allways wanted to have excute in place rom. |
| 16:43.59 | cga | munga_, you are using qtopia right? is there a way to have another keyboard? those that come by default suck big time |
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| 16:44.34 | munga_ | cga ... I'm flushing the qtopia image ... I haven't tried it yet... |
| 16:44.56 | cga | munga_, ok =) (you'll be happy about it... it *works* pretty well) |
| 16:46.08 | munga_ | cga which browser do you use ? |
| 16:46.19 | munga_ | and for the GPS ? |
| 16:46.27 | cga | no browser atm and no gps |
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| 16:46.44 | cga | flashed yesterday still have to rav up |
| 16:46.57 | munga_ | not even recompiliing a QT application ? |
| 16:48.37 | munga_ | I'm thinking about konqueror for example... |
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| 16:55.32 | Zorkman | anybody have a working url to get tangogps to work with googlemaps? |
| 16:55.41 | Zorkman | the ones on te site of tangogps and on the ML don't work |
| 16:58.59 | admiral0 | sorry.. how do i change the keyboard on the 2008.08? |
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| 17:03.01 | Bish_ | admiral0: there is no possibility.. oh god yes the wikipedia |
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| 17:05.03 | Tanuva | where was this rightclick-modified tslib.ipkg from? |
| 17:06.16 | wurp2|working | Zorkman: tangogps works with googlemaps?! |
| 17:06.50 | wurp2|working | I had been thinking it would be easy to make it do so, and very convenient to have satelite images for hiking, but I had no idea someone had already done it |
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| 17:11.28 | ace-- | i'm trying to flush the cache, but whenever i do the following instruction, i get 'illegal instruction' (it compiles though) |
| 17:11.32 | ace-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.37 | ace-- | (r0 contains 0) |
| 17:11.41 | ace-- | anyone have an idea? |
| 17:11.47 | admiral0 | lol... i didn't find it before.. now i've found it (and a little bit of courtesy doesn't hurt) |
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| 17:14.05 | white_gecko | hello |
| 17:14.15 | white_gecko | how can i get this nice keyboard: http://openmoko.togaware.com/survivor/QEMU_messages_keyboard.png ? |
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| 17:14.35 | white_gecko | I've only found instructions for the matchbox keyboard |
| 17:14.44 | dcordes | oh taht's oldskool |
| 17:15.30 | white_gecko | hm |
| 17:15.42 | mmaestri | white_gecko: that was one of the first images i've seen of openmoko |
| 17:15.47 | white_gecko | but it is nicer and better to use then the matchbox |
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| 17:15.49 | white_gecko | thing |
| 17:16.01 | mmaestri | and that's one of the things that i liked better... |
| 17:16.10 | white_gecko | i also had openmoko in qemu first with this keyboard |
| 17:16.20 | white_gecko | i think it was the best keyboard |
| 17:16.20 | DieMumiee | looks nice and intuitive |
| 17:16.26 | white_gecko | (not the best inputmethod) |
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| 17:18.18 | wurp2|working | Anyone know a good tutorial for E using python? |
| 17:18.50 | white_gecko | who is "E" is it somethink like "R"? |
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| 17:19.03 | tuXXX | white_gecko: enlightenment? |
| 17:19.32 | white_gecko | aha |
| 17:19.40 | white_gecko | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_(programming_language) |
| 17:20.04 | wurp2|working | Nah, I just want to build gui apps for 2008.8 |
| 17:20.08 | ace-- | found it, apparently prior to armv6 you can't do mcr in user mode, bah |
| 17:20.15 | white_gecko | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_(programming_language) |
| 17:20.16 | wurp2|working | And I'm not too fond of gtk |
| 17:20.55 | tuXXX | wurp2|working: gtk is not so bad, as soon as you use a good language (pygtk for example) |
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| 17:21.29 | white_gecko | so are there only the numberpad and the matchbox-keyboard for input? |
| 17:21.42 | wurp2|working | I did some pygtk |
| 17:21.46 | wurp2|working | And I have a totally trivial gui |
| 17:21.59 | wurp2|working | that you can watch repaint after a simple change |
| 17:22.18 | wurp2|working | repaint should be too fast to see... and in fact the repaint slows it down enough to impact the user |
| 17:22.31 | wurp2|working | I wrote the fast charge checker script |
| 17:22.44 | wurp2|working | (which I have not yet ported to run on FR, just gta01 for now) |
| 17:23.11 | cekay | hey guys.. is it possible to make virtual packages with opkg-build? so that it just no files in but, but it installs other dependend packages? |
| 17:23.21 | cekay | -but |
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| 17:23.22 | tuXXX | well, I'm sorry but I don't know how gtk works on openmoko |
| 17:25.04 | wurp2|working | tuXXX: I don't wanna know; I want to redo the gui in E :-) |
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| 17:27.11 | Zorkman | wurp2|working: yes it does (apparently, but i can't get it to workà |
| 17:27.22 | tuXXX | I tried to understand a small app wrote some time ago with efl, and I think it was really hard to do something with it. However, this was using low-level elements, so maybe this is easier if something like "widgets" exist |
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| 17:28.02 | wurp2|working | tuXXX: I just need to cover the screen in buttons |
| 17:28.14 | Zorkman | wurp2|working: http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/12-FAQ.html |
| 17:28.26 | wurp2|working | It should be easy to do even with just displaying an image of a set size (the whole screen) and processing low level touch events) |
| 17:28.36 | wurp2|working | Zorkman: Thanks |
| 17:29.09 | Zorkman | if it works for you, let me know :) |
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| 17:29.42 | cga | Zorkman, ! |
| 17:30.01 | Zorkman | hi cga |
| 17:30.07 | cga | =) |
| 17:30.13 | white_gecko | my phone tells thinks like this while "opkg upgrade" http://paste.debian.net/15388/ |
| 17:30.40 | white_gecko | i don't know if this is normal |
| 17:31.37 | tuXXX | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NXP_PCF50633 |
| 17:32.00 | tuXXX | the pcf50633 seems to be a power management chip |
| 17:32.20 | white_gecko | hm |
| 17:32.36 | white_gecko | irq=53 was irq=50 before |
| 17:33.00 | white_gecko | mybe there is a progress? |
| 17:33.22 | white_gecko | or should i reboot from ssh? |
| 17:34.27 | white_gecko | now it is black |
| 17:34.36 | white_gecko | but ssh still works |
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| 17:35.47 | jucs | Does anyone know where to get a package of openmoko-mail and its deps? |
| 17:36.33 | DPThought | jucs: is there even one? The only thing i know of in this regard is some fantasy written down in the wiki |
| 17:36.45 | jucs | I saw a screenshot... |
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| 17:37.03 | DPThought | well then, i would be interested too :) |
| 17:37.09 | jucs | https://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/Screenshot-1.png?rev=1&root=openmoko-mail&view=markup |
| 17:37.35 | jucs | There are binaries, too - but in the end I gave up with the deps.. |
| 17:38.28 | jucs | Anyway - If you get this to work, tell me :-P :-P :-P |
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| 18:08.55 | white_gecko | i get the error: * Package tangogps md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'. |
| 18:09.09 | white_gecko | when i try # opkg install http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.2-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 18:09.26 | white_gecko | it also tells me "Multiple packages (tangogps and tangogps) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest." |
| 18:09.29 | white_gecko | waht is wrong? |
| 18:10.29 | wurp2|working | My wild-ass guess is that you have two repositories that advertise having the same version of tangoGPS, but in fact they have different checksums |
| 18:10.57 | white_gecko | aha |
| 18:11.16 | white_gecko | so i'll try # opkg install tangogps |
| 18:11.27 | wurp2|working | Oh |
| 18:11.30 | wurp2|working | yeah |
| 18:11.36 | white_gecko | ok it works thankyou |
| 18:11.50 | wurp2|working | Apparently I'm reading comprehension deficient; I didn't even notice that you were installing by ipk file |
| 18:11.53 | wurp2|working | You're welcome |
| 18:12.14 | wurp2|working | That sounds like a bug in opkg to me |
| 18:12.35 | UndrWater2 | wurp2|working: have you seen xapi? |
| 18:12.36 | wurp2|working | It shouldn't try to use the repository checksum to check something installed from an ipk file |
| 18:12.37 | jucs | Does anyone if it's possible to buy some extra cases for the freerunner? |
| 18:12.42 | wurp2|working | UndrWater2: nope |
| 18:12.47 | jucs | In case one braeks... |
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| 18:13.46 | white_gecko | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Use_the_GPS |
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| 18:15.59 | UndrWater2 | wurp2|working: i was talking to #osm folks about problems i was having getting data from OSM...they referred me to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Osmxapi |
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| 18:31.52 | wurp2|working | UndrWater2: Hrm, it sounds as if you can do away with my script :-) |
| 18:32.15 | wurp2|working | If you figure out the exact syntax, you might remove my script from the wiki & replace it with the one line wget command |
| 18:32.31 | wurp2|working | Or update the script, but I think the script would end up being almost a do-nothing at that point |
| 18:33.00 | wurp2|working | I'm bad at asking for help |
| 18:33.30 | wurp2|working | When I can't seem to get the screw to go in, I get a bigger hammer rather than asking someone if there's a screwdriver handy |
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| 18:35.40 | jucs | Is any file manager for the freerunner out there? |
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| 18:39.20 | Xaos | ok...anyone got a good fix for python-pycairo being empty? http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1830 |
| 18:39.32 | Xaos | I assume I need to find a good package of it...any ideas? |
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| 18:41.37 | UndrWater2 | wurp2|working: yep...i did try the xapi...moved the osm to my FR, did the navit2osm thing, but can't seem to see the map...i'll look deeper into it today |
| 18:41.47 | UndrWater2 | if i get it to work well..i'll edit the wiki |
| 18:41.54 | UndrWater2 | put the oneliner in there |
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| 19:01.30 | lpotter | jucs: there is a file manager for qtopia |
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| 19:05.17 | jonquark | Hi guys, just got my FR and am playing with OM2007.2 out of the box... I've got a really dumb question: |
| 19:05.42 | jonquark | I've pressed something and they keyboard will now only let me enter numbers |
| 19:05.52 | jonquark | What did I press and how do I undo it? |
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| 19:08.52 | Sargun | jonquark, try to hit the numbers rapidly very fast |
| 19:09.00 | Sargun | err |
| 19:09.02 | Sargun | yeah |
| 19:09.07 | Sargun | see if it turns into a letter |
| 19:10.03 | jonquark | Sargun: I was beng a fool - the bottom left button swaps modes |
| 19:10.12 | jonquark | Thanks for the suggestion though :) |
| 19:10.20 | Sargun | ah |
| 19:10.21 | Sargun | hehe |
| 19:12.31 | jucs | lpotter: Is it also usable with the 2007.2-thing? |
| 19:12.56 | lpotter | nope. |
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| 19:14.14 | jucs | -.- |
| 19:14.42 | Sargun | Is it fairly trivial to put the OM into host mode USB? |
| 19:15.05 | ike | yup |
| 19:15.06 | ike | Sargun: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Host_Mode |
| 19:16.14 | Xaos | anybody know where a usable python-pycairo package is? |
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| 19:28.16 | jucs | Does anyone know how to disable the boot screen? |
| 19:28.27 | Wonka | edit u-boot |
| 19:28.40 | Wonka | or do you mean exquisite` |
| 19:28.41 | Wonka | ? |
| 19:28.48 | jucs | Xaos:You need to copy the plugin-dicrectory from some friend... |
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| 19:29.10 | Wonka | deinstalled exquisite and exquisite-* |
| 19:29.11 | jucs | Wonka: How to edit u-boot? |
| 19:29.13 | Xaos | hmmm...any friends out here? ;-) |
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| 19:29.21 | jucs | What is exquisite? |
| 19:29.35 | jucs | I want it to print the console output... |
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| 19:29.41 | jucs | No showing the "booting" thing... |
| 19:29.42 | Wonka | jucs: just don't. the short while u-boot shows that screen does not hurt. |
| 19:29.59 | jucs | I like it :-P But I like the console more... |
| 19:30.02 | Wonka | jucs: after that, the kernel starts and you see white text on black scrolling by |
| 19:30.18 | Wonka | jucs: the graphics _after_ that are made by exquisite |
| 19:30.23 | jucs | Thanks :-P |
| 19:30.30 | jucs | That's what I mean :-P |
| 19:30.46 | jucs | So if I remove exquisite, the black scrolling will stay? |
| 19:30.46 | Wonka | jucs: just "opkg remove exquisite exquisite-theme" - or themes? |
| 19:30.51 | Wonka | yes. |
| 19:30.51 | Xaos | jucs: location of plugins dir? I was under the impression that those things were located in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/cairo |
| 19:30.52 | uzytkownik | For a 2007.02 to keep the phone up-to-date (i.e. reasonable 'unstable') should I use http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/ or http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/{testing/,unstable/}? The first one is not updated since a month. The second ones are described nowhere. |
| 19:30.54 | jucs | Thank you! |
| 19:30.59 | Wonka | you will get error messages though |
| 19:31.01 | Wonka | moment... |
| 19:31.08 | jucs | Xaos: I will try to install it and tell you :-P |
| 19:31.16 | jucs | Xaos: Wait 3 minutes... |
| 19:31.41 | Sargun | Can you install Debian on the internal Flash? |
| 19:31.44 | Xaos | jucs: thanks...waiting patiently (or not so patiently...but still waiting <grin>) |
| 19:31.53 | Wonka | jucs: uninstalling exquisite links /usr/bin/splash-write to /bin/echo, which is a link to /bin/busybox |
| 19:32.09 | Wonka | jucs: busybox does not like being called as "splash-write" and complains |
| 19:32.48 | Wonka | jucs: i therefore deleted the symlink and replaced it by a small shellscript doing just »echo "$@"« |
| 19:32.51 | jucs | Wonka: Does this mean it won't boot after uninstalling exquisite? |
| 19:33.17 | ike | Sargun: yup. However it barerly fits. |
| 19:33.19 | Wonka | jucs: no. it will boot, but maybe throw error messages from busybox, "applet not found", iirc. |
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| 19:33.50 | jucs | Okay, thanks... if it gets on my nerves I will do the same :-P |
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| 19:34.54 | jucs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.54 | jucs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.59 | jucs | Should I remove that too? |
| 19:36.08 | jucs | Xaos: Almost finished ;-) |
| 19:36.19 | Xaos | np...thanks again |
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| 19:37.59 | Wonka | jucs: no, don't remove it, just use -force-depends |
| 19:39.46 | jucs | k :-P |
| 19:40.58 | jucs | Xaos: First install the broken packages... |
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| 19:42.11 | jucs | Xaos: Than go to /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages |
| 19:42.34 | Xaos | jucs: I appear to have fixed it (somewhat)...I added the angstrom (2008.8) repository and I now have the files |
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| 19:42.55 | Xaos | however, the "Settings" menu option still doesn't run anything |
| 19:43.15 | Xaos | but I can run it through a ssh -X session fine now |
| 19:43.26 | jucs | Xaos: Ah, okay - If you have any more problems, the files of that dir are here: http://comp001-adk.juliankranz.de/files/site-packages.tar.gz |
| 19:43.27 | jucs | ;-) |
| 19:43.44 | Xaos | cool...thanks jucs |
| 19:43.47 | jucs | :-) |
| 19:44.05 | Xaos | now...anyone know where 2008.8 keeps the menus items? |
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| 19:44.58 | Xaos | ok...looks like /usr/share/applications |
| 19:45.37 | Xaos | hehe...wait long enough and I answer my own questions |
| 19:51.24 | ike | lindi: wow. impressive power saving. |
| 19:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | apt: hi again, rusty robot :-) |
| 19:53.31 | apt | Many greetings, again, rusty robot :-), most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 19:54.27 | DocScrutinizer | apt: uptime |
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| 19:58.03 | pete_b | anyone tried the mplayer version from http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ ? |
| 19:58.08 | pete_b | anyone tried the mplayer version from http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ ? |
| 20:06.22 | kd8ikt | i couldnt get it to compile |
| 20:06.58 | pete_b | the same here ... |
| 20:07.23 | wurp2|working | balrog-kun is the author if I'm not mistaken |
| 20:07.45 | wurp2|working | I see that he left open git access on it, so someone may have screwed it up... |
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| 20:10.39 | kd8ikt | well git saves modifications last i checked |
| 20:11.10 | kd8ikt | if someone can figure out how to revert to maybe its 1st created state |
| 20:11.27 | lloyd_fedora | installed debian on the sd .. cant ssh in as i get an error sayin that .. WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! .. any ideas |
| 20:11.44 | kd8ikt | rm ~/.ssh/knownhosts |
| 20:11.59 | lloyd_fedora | kd8ikt: thank you |
| 20:12.08 | kd8ikt | and if you want to dual boot and not have to do that each reboot.. |
| 20:12.34 | kd8ikt | copy the /etc/dropbear/* from one rootfs to the other so they match |
| 20:13.14 | lloyd_fedora | kd8ikt: cool .. thanks |
| 20:14.03 | wurp2|working | kd8ikt: Oh, sure, you can definitely revert... assuming it's a bad checkin & not that the dependencies have changed out from under it |
| 20:14.41 | wurp2|working | lloyd_fedora: You can also just delete the offending line from knownhosts |
| 20:14.58 | wurp2|working | So you don't have to authenticate every other host you ssh to again after that change |
| 20:15.26 | kd8ikt | yeah but my way was fullproof quick/easy |
| 20:15.42 | kd8ikt | ;) hey can you lookinto that git tree then? |
| 20:15.53 | lindi- | and insecure :) |
| 20:16.04 | kd8ikt | if you know your way around git cause i dont |
| 20:18.20 | wurp2|working | kd8ikt: true |
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| 20:19.04 | wurp2|working | kd8ikt: I don't really know my way around git... I just have used many source repositories, including some of the "next gen" ones like git (darcs & arch) |
| 20:19.28 | Xaos | is there a problem with "exposure" in the later versions of 2008.8 ? |
| 20:20.08 | wurp2|working | It should be just a matter of viewing history on the repo & pulling the URL for earlier versions until you find one that compiles (e.g., the latest one that balrog checked in on or whatever) |
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| 20:20.52 | lymeca | Is there a rough rough ETA for GTA03? |
| 20:21.00 | wurp2|working | It kind of irritated me when Linus wrote git, since darcs & two forked projects of arch already addressed the problems |
| 20:21.07 | wurp2|working | lymeca: ~forever |
| 20:21.33 | Wonka | lymeca: is there anything about GTA03 yet? |
| 20:21.39 | wurp2|working | lymeca: The advertised eta for gta02 was Nov of 2007 as late as Aug 2007 |
| 20:21.49 | mjr | ah, but forever isn't a time! |
| 20:21.56 | Wonka | i think my FR sometimes hangs itself up because /var/volatile is filled up with tmp/x.log |
| 20:21.58 | wurp2|working | Wonka: I think it's pretty much known to be gta02 - glamo + camera |
| 20:22.04 | Wonka | thats slightly annoying. |
| 20:22.06 | kd8ikt | gta03 on the edge of forever |
| 20:22.17 | mjr | kd8ikt, :) |
| 20:22.23 | kd8ikt | startrek ;) |
| 20:22.24 | Wonka | wurp2|working: and what comes instead of glamo? |
| 20:22.41 | mjr | kd8ikt, I know |
| 20:22.45 | Xilent | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.53 | Xilent | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.56 | mjr | Wonka, nothing (ie. dumb soc framebuffer) |
| 20:22.57 | wurp2|working | Wonka: I'm not sure anything... I think they're doing away with acceleration altogether |
| 20:23.06 | Wonka | would have hoped for one 3d acceleration + turn sensor instead of 2 3d acceleration sensors |
| 20:23.09 | wurp2|working | to avoid the bus bandwidth problems glamo introduced |
| 20:23.14 | Wonka | and also for a magnetic compass |
| 20:23.44 | mjr | and a teleporter |
| 20:23.52 | Wonka | no. |
| 20:24.00 | wurp2|working | Sorry, mjr, didn't see your better answer to his question |
| 20:24.01 | Wonka | i know magnetic compasses exist, and turn sensors |
| 20:24.05 | wurp2|working | mjr: regular, not quantum |
| 20:24.15 | Wonka | xkcd++ |
| 20:24.17 | zash | quantum compasses? |
| 20:24.18 | mjr | wurp, *nod* |
| 20:24.26 | Xilent | # dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U good-rootfs.jffs2 |
| 20:24.45 | zash | how hard would it be to replace one of the accelerometers with a 3d compass?? |
| 20:24.55 | Wonka | always needs a -d here for dfu-util because of the uvc cam |
| 20:25.17 | Wonka | zash: a 3d compass is a little bulkier than an accelerometer |
| 20:25.43 | ike | gyrocompas! |
| 20:25.45 | SpeedEvil | And signifdicantly more expensive. |
| 20:25.54 | SpeedEvil | 3d accel is #$2 |
| 20:25.54 | zash | but is it the same interface? |
| 20:25.58 | SpeedEvil | $3 |
| 20:26.00 | wurp2|working | SpeedEvil: how much is significantly? |
| 20:26.23 | SpeedEvil | magnetometer is about #12, and is more annoying to interface - that includes the interface chip. |
| 20:26.28 | SpeedEvil | #12 |
| 20:26.32 | SpeedEvil | $12 |
| 20:26.42 | wurp2|working | that's a persistent typo |
| 20:26.44 | Wonka | i'd prefer one with i2c or something like that |
| 20:27.06 | wurp2|working | I would gladly pay $12 more for the device to get an accelerometer + a 3d compas |
| 20:27.09 | wurp2|working | s |
| 20:27.18 | lindi- | hmm, i'd like to do some mapping with my debian system. wiki explains i could use plain gpsd. however, couldn't i just write a simple shell script that asks current coordinates over dbus once every second? i don't need fancy gui, just reliable logging |
| 20:27.22 | wurp2|working | It seems far superior in every way... |
| 20:27.28 | SpeedEvil | 3 axis gyuros are about #50 |
| 20:27.29 | SpeedEvil | % |
| 20:27.29 | SpeedEvil | meh |
| 20:27.30 | zash | it would make building self guiding robots much easier |
| 20:27.41 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|working: would everyone though. |
| 20:27.51 | wurp2|working | lindi-: Just save the /tmp/nmeaNP |
| 20:27.53 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|working: and it's not $12 more - it's $24 more |
| 20:27.53 | Wonka | wurp2|working: the device has two 3d accelerometers. |
| 20:28.03 | wurp2|working | Wonka: I know |
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| 20:28.28 | wurp2|working | I think a 3d accel + 3d compass would be far superior... |
| 20:28.30 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|working: magnetic field sis not a perfect reference either. |
| 20:28.35 | Wonka | wurp2|working: problem is, you'd need a third to get the turn rate around the axis going through the two... |
| 20:28.41 | wurp2|working | and yeah, $24 is probably enough more expensive to be borderline |
| 20:28.44 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|working: it gets disturbed. |
| 20:28.49 | wurp2|working | Wonka: But you don't get that now |
| 20:28.58 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: but magnetic field plus gps is very nice for mapping applications |
| 20:29.11 | wurp2|working | Wonka: hrm... and I think you would only need that if the line from the accel to the compass pointed north |
| 20:29.12 | Wonka | wurp2|working: i know. i want to get that. |
| 20:29.14 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|working: accel + gyros + magnetometer is moderately OK for dead-rechoning of orientations. |
| 20:29.19 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: yes. |
| 20:29.32 | wurp2|working | SpeedEvil: Yeah, that's why I want it :-) |
| 20:29.55 | Wonka | gtaXX as controller for quadcopters! |
| 20:30.01 | Wonka | with touchscreen management console |
| 20:30.05 | SpeedEvil | dead-recknonbing of positions needs annoyingly good accelerometers. |
| 20:30.13 | rooly | likes the clock on om2007.2 |
| 20:30.19 | Wonka | "go there" "drop bomb^Wconfetti" "come back" |
| 20:30.34 | wurp2|working | SpeedEvil: no kidding... I'm amazed that you can get as close as you can with the accels in FR |
| 20:30.40 | rooly | would anyone like a wifi/bt/gps heartbeat app? |
| 20:31.01 | Wonka | having one 3d accel is nice. having two is bullshit. having three makes guessing of turn rates possible |
| 20:31.02 | wurp2|working | rooly: Throw in cell tower ids & strengths, then I want it :-) |
| 20:31.08 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|working: ? They are mostly useless for dead-reconing - they are out by 165cm'/s^2 |
| 20:31.18 | rooly | wurp2|working, it's an led heartbeat |
| 20:31.20 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: err - no |
| 20:31.24 | wurp2|working | rooly: Oh, no |
| 20:31.42 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: having two (*or three) _really_ accurate ones, or over a long baseline lets you work out turn rates. |
| 20:32.03 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: ok, then having these two is even more useless. |
| 20:32.04 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: the current ones let - IIRC - you work out turn rates of aroung 620 degrees/second. |
| 20:32.21 | SpeedEvil | that's the minimum noise level |
| 20:32.21 | wurp2|working | SpeedEvil: I know it's useless for more than a few seconds... but it shocks me that they're good enough to be fairly accurate for a few seconds, given that you only read them 100 x per second and all you get is instantaneous approximate acceleration |
| 20:32.50 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: gimme a combined 3d accel and 3d turn sensor instead... |
| 20:33.01 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: sparkfun have them. Expensive though. |
| 20:33.06 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: i was told MEMS made it possible in a quite small form factor |
| 20:33.14 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: possible - yes. |
| 20:33.29 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: many things are possible - that's unimportant. |
| 20:33.49 | SpeedEvil | The important thing is has anyone put the engineering into making a product which can be mass produced at $4 for 1 million. |
| 20:34.03 | SpeedEvil | ($4 per) |
| 20:34.13 | SpeedEvil | (I'm tyuping blind ATM, apologies for typos) |
| 20:34.31 | rooly | anyone know how to just package an ipk? |
| 20:34.57 | lindi- | wurp2|working: what creates /tmp/nmeaNP? |
| 20:35.14 | lindi- | wurp2|working: it's not mentioned in frameworkd source code |
| 20:35.33 | wurp2|working | lindi-: Hrm, on gta01 that's the nmea data from gllin |
| 20:35.37 | mjr | it's gllin's output pipe, iirc created by its startup script |
| 20:35.43 | wurp2|working | lindi-: On gta02 it's /dev/ttyS01, I think |
| 20:35.54 | SpeedEvil | lim: gllin |
| 20:36.09 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|working: ttySAC02 |
| 20:36.16 | wurp2|working | SpeedEvil: thx |
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| 20:36.59 | jucs | <- back XD |
| 20:37.32 | lindi- | wurp2|working: gillin is proprietary stuff :( |
| 20:37.46 | Wonka | wurp2|working, SpeedEvil: GPS is on /dev/ttySAC1 on GTA02 |
| 20:38.20 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: sorry - I can't type properly. I can't see the line I'm typing as something is in fromt of the bottom line of the monitor, and it's dark. |
| 20:38.29 | Wonka | *g* |
| 20:38.43 | zash | anyone familiar with code that talks to stuff over serial connections? |
| 20:38.52 | Wonka | switches on the backlight of his macbook pro keyboard... |
| 20:38.56 | SpeedEvil | zazas: ask kermit |
| 20:39.05 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: itr's cold. |
| 20:39.16 | SpeedEvil | wonLwon: hence keyboard is under covers. |
| 20:39.20 | SpeedEvil | wonk: |
| 20:39.24 | Wonka | zash: i only know "chat", which is used by e.g. pppd to set up modem/gprs connections |
| 20:39.37 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: learn to type blind ;) |
| 20:39.54 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: it's more important to see the monitor than the keyboard, IMO |
| 20:39.56 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: I can - mostly. But my typing is moderately screwed by small format keyboards. |
| 20:40.00 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 20:40.07 | SpeedEvil | But I'm a bit too far dfrom it. |
| 20:40.24 | zash | Wonka: i have done some work on a small script that talks to managed switches |
| 20:40.26 | SpeedEvil | And there is something in gront of the input line. |
| 20:41.21 | zash | Wonka: but i haven't figured out the best overall structure |
| 20:41.21 | SpeedEvil | Basheri: : what are you trying tro do? |
| 20:41.21 | Wonka | I am thinking of making an Y cable - usb-mini-b-male to usb-mini-b-female and usb-a-female |
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| 20:41.21 | SpeedEvil | zash: |
| 20:41.21 | Wonka | so i can charge the FR and hook an usb device up to it |
| 20:41.21 | SpeedEvil | zash: in what language? |
| 20:41.22 | lindi- | Wonka: remember the resistors |
| 20:41.23 | zash | SpeedEvil: perl :D |
| 20:41.31 | zash | SpeedEvil: and was supposed to be cross platform |
| 20:42.01 | lindi- | zash: i often user ser2net |
| 20:42.21 | lindi- | s/user/use/ |
| 20:42.24 | zash | freerunner + usb to serial converter would be awesome for ppl setting upp switches |
| 20:42.44 | SpeedEvil | + keyuboard |
| 20:42.57 | SpeedEvil | Or I could sell them my Z88 |
| 20:43.06 | SpeedEvil | Cutting edge A4 laptop |
| 20:43.16 | SpeedEvil | Of the earlyu 1990s. |
| 20:43.45 | tuXXX | gentoo on OpenMoko devices :p http://gentoo-wiki.com/User:TuXXX#Gentoo_on_the_FreeRunner . This is not much, but may be interesting. |
| 20:43.46 | SpeedEvil | Late 1980s? |
| 20:43.48 | zash | SpeedEvil: i was thinking more like a gui with big buttons labelt the same as the switches |
| 20:43.55 | SpeedEvil | zash: ah |
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| 20:44.41 | mjr | Gentoo, hell yeah. Finally I can put all my Freerunner CPU cycles to good use compiling packages to be installed! |
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| 20:45.14 | tuXXX | mjr: no, my goal is not to compile things on the FR |
| 20:45.16 | rooly | right, i'm gonna make an ipk for you guys |
| 20:45.21 | rooly | of my little 'hearbeat' daemon |
| 20:45.23 | tuXXX | mjr: more like something like LFS |
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| 20:47.44 | Sargun | heya |
| 20:47.58 | Sargun | mjr, you install Gentoo on the FIC? |
| 20:47.59 | Sargun | er |
| 20:48.00 | Sargun | FR |
| 20:48.11 | mjr | not me, see tuXXX |
| 20:48.13 | Sargun | Does FIC make any money off the FR? |
| 20:48.16 | mjr | I'm a debian boy ;) |
| 20:48.17 | jucs | My friend is trying to do this, too :-P |
| 20:48.24 | jucs | I mean, Gentoo.. |
| 20:48.50 | Wonka | another thing i hope for in the next gen Neo: u-blox 5 GPS receiver instead of Antaris 4 |
| 20:49.04 | rooly | what's the debian section for system? |
| 20:49.14 | Wonka | it's so much cooler and faster and better, if you can believe their website... |
| 20:49.54 | ike | Wonka: there are such plans afair. |
| 20:49.57 | tomboy64 | somebody here who ordered from pulster.de and got his phone promised from his delivery on aug 15th? |
| 20:50.00 | jucs | "if you can believe their website" <- Sure, and actually I'm selling the best GPS device on the planet... |
| 20:50.13 | jucs | Yes, me. |
| 20:50.20 | tomboy64 | did you get any news? |
| 20:50.30 | jucs | News? |
| 20:50.47 | jucs | I got my freerunner :-P |
| 20:50.47 | tomboy64 | well ... like "it has been sent" or "we are working on it"? |
| 20:50.51 | Wonka | tomboy64: mine was promised from their delivery on July 25th, and it arrived here on July 18th :) |
| 20:50.53 | tomboy64 | oi -.- |
| 20:51.00 | jucs | On the 16th of August... |
| 20:51.00 | tomboy64 | wtf! |
| 20:51.09 | SpeedEvil | wants HH for next version, with open-source drivers. |
| 20:51.13 | jucs | Eigentlich können wir Deutsch reden :-P |
| 20:51.16 | SpeedEvil | watches the flying pigs. |
| 20:51.16 | tomboy64 | naja |
| 20:51.17 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: "HH"? |
| 20:51.24 | SpeedEvil | HammerHead |
| 20:51.24 | tomboy64 | is jan englischer chan |
| 20:51.33 | SpeedEvil | It's the Global Locate chipset in GTA01 |
| 20:51.34 | Wonka | what's hammerhead? |
| 20:51.49 | tuXXX | mine is lost somewhere in the postal service |
| 20:51.50 | jucs | Wie auch immer, ein Freund bekams 2 Tage früher, und ihm wars zur letzten Lieferung versprochen... hatte aber spät bezahlt... |
| 20:52.16 | tomboy64 | naja |
| 20:52.21 | tomboy64 | ich hatte anfang juli bestellt |
| 20:52.28 | jucs | Ich ... moment... |
| 20:52.32 | tomboy64 | mitte juli hab ich mal nachgefragt, was denn wäre |
| 20:52.44 | ike | Co to za jÄzyk?! |
| 20:52.44 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: from what i heard, u-blox 5 really is much faster than antaris 4 |
| 20:52.45 | jucs | Ich am 25. Juli *lol* |
| 20:52.47 | tomboy64 | dann hab ich die bankdaten bekommen, zum am 22. die überweisung raus |
| 20:52.58 | ike | (sorry - couldn't resist myself) |
| 20:53.02 | tomboy64 | und langsam werd ich ungedultig |
| 20:53.11 | jucs | Meine Ãberweisung ging am 25.7 raus... |
| 20:53.21 | tomboy64 | GRRRR |
| 20:53.24 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: and u-blox 5 does support AssistNow Offline, which at least the Antaris 4 in my FR does not |
| 20:53.26 | tomboy64 | <--- sauer |
| 20:53.29 | jucs | Hast du ihm gleich geschrieben, dass du überwiesen hast? |
| 20:53.34 | tomboy64 | na klar! |
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| 20:53.59 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: so even if it was not acquiring faster by itself, assistnow offline would help a lot |
| 20:54.23 | jucs | Nun, dann war vllt. deine Bank langsamer und mein Geld war ein Tag früher oder so da... :-P |
| 20:54.35 | jucs | Ich glaub, er schickt streng nach Eintreffen vom Geld... |
| 20:54.45 | tomboy64 | grml |
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| 20:55.02 | rooly | what type of archive is an ipk |
| 20:55.06 | tomboy64 | meine bestellung war am 30.6. |
| 20:55.14 | tomboy64 | langsam werd ich echt ungeduldig |
| 20:55.22 | jucs | Wenn du dann gelich überwiesen hättest... |
| 20:55.27 | mmontour | rooly: it's an 'ar' archive, quite similar to a .deb |
| 20:55.44 | rooly | how would i make one |
| 20:55.48 | tomboy64 | jahaaa ... wie denn? |
| 20:55.56 | tomboy64 | ohne bankdaten geht das ja schlecht |
| 20:56.17 | tomboy64 | und damals hieà es, "sie bekommen die bankdaten in einer weiteren mail" |
| 20:56.30 | rooly | mmontour, i'm trying to make an ipk over here |
| 20:56.46 | mmontour | I've never hand-built one, I just let bitbake do it. You can use 'ar x something.ipk' to unpack an existing one and then copy the structure. |
| 20:56.53 | jucs | Stimmt, die bekam ich am nächsten Tag... |
| 20:57.05 | rooly | right, thats exactly what i'm doing |
| 20:57.09 | Wonka | http://www.sander-electronic.de/be00012.html - 3d magnetic sensors. too expensive, i fear. |
| 20:59.04 | tomboy64 | mhmmm |
| 20:59.26 | mmontour | rooly: http://wiki.openembedded.net or the OM wiki should have documentation but I don't know the exact links. |
| 20:59.29 | jucs | Bis zum 15.9 kommt es sicher :-) |
| 20:59.42 | rooly | mmontour, i just need to package it now |
| 20:59.43 | Wonka | http://www.u-blox.com/products/u5modules.html - LEA 5H would be nice. Galileo support, all the communication ports used in FR; not bigger (afaics). |
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| 21:00.49 | rooly | and i do believe that's it |
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| 21:01.09 | lloyd_fedora | scp to FR fails on newly installed debian on sd .. quits with the error .. Host key verification failed .. deleted known_hosts .. but no progress |
| 21:02.35 | mmontour | If you're using OE then "bitbake my-package" will give you an ipk in build/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/... or similar. If you're not using OE then I can't give specific instructions - "man ar" might help |
| 21:03.38 | rooly | crap |
| 21:03.41 | rooly | okay that didn't work |
| 21:03.53 | rooly | mmontour, it's a pair of scripts |
| 21:06.26 | lindi- | lloyd_fedora: please put full error online |
| 21:08.41 | Sargun_screen | hm |
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| 21:09.15 | Sargun_screen | what are the quantity packs OM offers? |
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| 21:13.00 | Sargun_screen | or not... |
| 21:13.22 | wurp2|working | Sargun_screen: 1 or 10, last I heard |
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| 21:13.36 | wurp2|working | Sargun_screen: Go to www.openmoko.com and attempt to buy, then you'll see |
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| 21:22.52 | kd8ikt | 10 wich round out to about 370$ per |
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| 21:33.55 | wurp2|working | You can also buy 1, 5, or 10 packs at koolu.com |
| 21:34.22 | wurp2|working | Whoa |
| 21:34.33 | wurp2|working | And gp2xstore claims to still have 1973s for sale |
| 21:39.50 | SpeedEvil | It's in stock in the main shop now? |
| 21:40.34 | jucs | Does anyone know why the freerunner discharges sloooooowly, if it reached 100% and stood plugged in for some time? |
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| 21:41.38 | cjb | waa. my moko ran out of battery and won't power on. |
| 21:41.56 | cjb | how long should it take to trickle-charge it up enough so that it can boot? |
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| 21:45.33 | jucs | You don't have any old nokia phone? |
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| 21:45.44 | jucs | Which has a compatible battery? |
| 21:45.50 | cjb | nope |
| 21:46.43 | wurp2|working | cjb: If you yank the battery long enough to make sure the gsm goes down |
| 21:46.57 | wurp2|working | It should be ready to start up in an hour or so, is my experience |
| 21:46.59 | wurp2|working | But |
| 21:47.22 | wurp2|working | You have to be careful.... if it was on and died, then as soon as it has enough charge, it will boot |
| 21:47.23 | jucs | What das trickle charge mean? |
| 21:47.40 | jucs | does* |
| 21:47.50 | cjb | jucs: slow charge |
| 21:47.53 | wurp2|working | If you're not on a smart charger or the OM charger, it will then procede to consume more power than it's getting from the charger, & die again |
| 21:48.01 | jucs | How, if it's dead? |
| 21:48.19 | wurp2|working | jucs: How what? |
| 21:48.25 | cjb | oh, I forgot about the OM charger |
| 21:48.27 | cjb | it's at home |
| 21:48.38 | cjb | will that fix it? |
| 21:48.38 | jucs | How charge it slowly, if it's dead and won't charge at all? |
| 21:49.00 | wurp2|working | jucs: The circuitry to charge still works if the neo won't boot... |
| 21:49.00 | jucs | Maybe I got something wrong... |
| 21:49.04 | mmontour | jucs: it's only "mostly dead", not all dead |
| 21:49.06 | Sargun | MOAR FLASH. |
| 21:49.24 | cjb | jucs: normally in batteries, trickle charging involves pushing a very small voltage out even when you can't talk to the battery, and then over time it gets enough charge to wake up and start communicating. |
| 21:49.27 | wurp2|working | cjb: Any charger can bring it back, if the gsm is down |
| 21:49.44 | Sargun | moar ram, moar flash. |
| 21:49.49 | mjr | Flash - u-uuu - Saviour of the Universe |
| 21:49.55 | wurp2|working | But if it boots back up fully, then the gsm will be back up, and if you're on a slow charger, it will die again, and try to stay dead |
| 21:49.56 | mmontour | There are several possible states, depending on how discharged the battery is. Worst-case the battery will show 0V because an internal protection circuit has triggered. |
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| 21:50.02 | cjb | wurp2|working: oh. I get it. |
| 21:50.30 | jucs | Ah... |
| 21:50.32 | mmontour | Above that, there's still a range of voltages where the PMU will not apply the full charging current |
| 21:50.32 | wurp2|working | If it's on a linux machine's usb it should work |
| 21:50.59 | mmontour | I'm starting to experiment with this stuff now, so in a few days I should be able to give better answers. |
| 21:51.02 | cjb | it is on a Linux machine's usb, but it just boots for a second and then turns off |
| 21:51.03 | wurp2|working | (and charge fast, assuming the machine supports 500 mA or more charge rate) |
| 21:51.12 | johnsu01 | yeah, USB didn't work for me -- I had to get another battery |
| 21:51.17 | jucs | The battery has it's own protection? So it's not possible to bring it to explode if it's charged the wrong way? |
| 21:51.29 | wurp2|working | cjb: Do you have the uboot menu option set up to do fast charge? |
| 21:51.40 | wurp2|working | Hrm, actually, I dunno how to do that on FR |
| 21:51.56 | cjb | wurp2|working: I can't get to the uboot menu at the moment |
| 21:52.14 | wurp2|working | cjb: On my 01, if it will boot even briefly I can get to the uboot menu |
| 21:52.20 | cga | fyi: today the battery of my freerunner has fully discharged , i plugged it to a usb of my laptop and then it worked. (all of this qith qtopia) |
| 21:52.21 | wurp2|working | Although sometimes it seems it takes 3 hands to do it |
| 21:52.46 | wurp2|working | (push aux & power button simultaneously, while plugging in usb, then hold both for several seconds) |
| 21:52.53 | mmontour | jucs: there is a protection circuit which makes it more difficult to toast the battery (I won't say impossible) |
| 21:54.14 | jucs | Good, at least :-P |
| 21:54.40 | jucs | Yes, I know, once someone died (in China?) because his mobile exploded in his coat... |
| 21:55.15 | johnsu01 | Is there a way to right-click with zhone and the matchbox-keyboard? |
| 21:59.02 | jucs | root@om-gta02:~# cat /proc/apm |
| 21:59.02 | jucs | 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x00 0x00 99% 4766 min |
| 21:59.02 | jucs | ^- Anyone an idea, why this happens? (it's plugged in) |
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| 22:03.54 | abraxa_ | jucs: Looks like the normal "charging power is so close to zero that it'll theoretically take ages to finish the charge" issue. |
| 22:04.46 | jucs | No, it's diacharing... |
| 22:04.50 | jucs | ging* |
| 22:04.58 | jucs | discharging* sorry :-D |
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| 22:20.08 | jagernot | only 1 freerunner remaining..should i buy or not buy:( |
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| 22:22.52 | balrog-kun | kd8ikt, wurp2|working, pete_b: at least one person beside managed to compile it recently :) |
| 22:22.59 | balrog-kun | *beside me |
| 22:23.18 | balrog-kun | and reports it works |
| 22:28.50 | jucs | Why does gsmd not have a least the littlest security? |
| 22:28.54 | jucs | at* |
| 22:29.32 | jucs | I mean, even if you su to nobody you're still able to make calls... or send 100.000 SMS... |
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| 22:32.42 | Sargun | Any idea when more will be in stock? |
| 22:33.02 | Sargun | jucs, ow will a person be able to log in to your phone in the first aplce? |
| 22:33.56 | jucs | First of all, on the enduser-device the sshd should not be open by default... however, if you browse the web, send email and so on you're always on risk.. |
| 22:35.11 | Sargun | uhm |
| 22:35.17 | Sargun | I think you're freaking out |
| 22:35.23 | jucs | There's a reason why the most distributions won't log you in as root by default... |
| 22:35.38 | Sargun | you're talking about a developer phone |
| 22:35.55 | jucs | I'm talking about a linux pc :-D |
| 22:36.30 | Sargun | bah |
| 22:36.46 | Sargun | waits for debian to finish installing |
| 22:36.48 | mmontour | jucs: there have been several discussions about security on the mailing lists. For now most people are more concerned about getting the basic functionality to work at all, rather than how to secure it. Also gsmd is a dead-end; you should be looking at FSO (gsm0710muxd, frameworkd, etc) and/or Qtopia. |
| 22:38.24 | jucs | mmontour: Well, but it's a really big point... because a lack of security could cause much worse things than on a normal consumer pc... |
| 22:38.58 | jucs | Usually the worst thing that could imaginally happen is that your pc would get broken, which is even unlikely to happen as it is hard for hackers to destroy hardware... |
| 22:40.13 | Sargun | Does FSO come with muxd? |
| 22:40.15 | jucs | On a phone, someone could easyly cause your bill to grow to the sky.... I'm sure, you could abuse libgsmd to send enough SMS for 1 Million Dollars of telephone bill... |
| 22:40.23 | mmontour | I'm sure that the FSO developers would be glad to accept patches to improve security, as long as they don't make things too difficult for other developers. |
| 22:40.48 | jucs | I'm not sure about the law at this point, but I wouldn't like to try it :-D |
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| 22:40.59 | Sargun | jucs, if someone got login to your phone |
| 22:41.14 | mmontour | I consider it a bug that a phone company will let a bill grow to unreasonable levels before shutting off the service. I use a prepaid SIM to avoid that particular risk. |
| 22:42.31 | Sargun | jucs, hardware damange? modprobe nvram; cat /dev/urandom > /dev/nvram |
| 22:42.56 | jucs | What would that do? |
| 22:43.36 | jucs | mmontour: Yes, maybe you're right... 1 Million would be too muchl... but I'm sure about 10.000 :-p |
| 22:44.42 | Sargun | jucs, try it. |
| 22:44.44 | Sargun | ;-P |
| 22:45.04 | jucs | :-P |
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| 22:55.56 | sirex` | Is there a web browser for Qtopia? I fond Opera and Irsi, but I can't find where to download them... |
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| 23:00.59 | jucs | No :P |
| 23:01.04 | jucs | There's none, afaik |
| 23:01.17 | jucs | All of them need X11, and Qtopia doesn't have it... |
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| 23:05.42 | Flinx | ello |
| 23:06.47 | jucs | Hello :-P |
| 23:07.13 | jucs | Is it possible to put the ... clock down to the date in Om2007.2? |
| 23:07.26 | jucs | I mean, it's too huge... |
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| 23:09.44 | Flinx | -.- I think I messed up my bootloader. |
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| 23:10.47 | Ark1 | hello, is the neo freerunner have a multi touch screen? |
| 23:10.57 | mjr | no |
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| 23:11.58 | Ark1 | ok, but why not? |
| 23:12.46 | fish_ | i ran into #1743 (my sd card is crap and need to be clocked slower). so i bootet in NOR flash and connected via usb to the serial console, there i did: "setenv menu_9 Boot with reduced SD clock: setenv bootargs glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 \${bootargs_base} \${mtdparts}\; nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel 0x200000\; bootm 0x32000000" |
| 23:13.15 | fish_ | and after that a saveenv |
| 23:13.33 | fish_ | but when i boot it in nor flash again the new menupoint doesnt show up.. |
| 23:14.15 | Sargun | :-( |
| 23:14.16 | mmontour | Do it through NAND u-boot |
| 23:15.13 | Flinx | what package do I need to download for formatting the SD card? |
| 23:16.59 | mjr | Ark1, because. |
| 23:19.42 | Flinx | what does Rasters builds have? |
| 23:19.59 | fish_ | mmontour: uhm, thanks ;) |
| 23:27.44 | Ark1 | how long does it take for openmoko to boot? |
| 23:30.04 | lloyd_fedora | jucs: do u mean this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Today/2007.2 |
| 23:31.14 | jucs | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Todaypage_reduced_false.png <- Here, I'd like to move that big yellow thing down to the date... |
| 23:31.23 | jucs | Ark1: ~3 minutes |
| 23:31.51 | jucs | lloyd_fedora: -^ |
| 23:34.03 | lloyd_fedora | jucs: sry .. i dunno .. i just removed it .. :-) |
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| 23:35.07 | jucs | lloyd_fedora: Thanks anyway :-P |
| 23:35.26 | Infoport | yay! Beer Festival tickets were still avaialble at the event center! now back to my phone <obsession begin> |
| 23:40.59 | Flinx | damn... |
| 23:41.06 | Flinx | I want Beer Festival tickets.. |
| 23:41.12 | Flinx | which one? |
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| 23:41.42 | lloyd_fedora | do u have to upgrade the bootloader for 2008.8 |
| 23:43.05 | Flinx | *sigh* |
| 23:43.36 | jucs | Good night @ all! |
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| 23:54.58 | pete_b | balrog-kun: you made the glamo mplayer ? |
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| 23:59.53 | Flinx | gr.. |
