| 00:00.37 | goldenhawk | Debian on freerunner is cool. |
| 00:01.55 | rwhitby | morning |
| 00:02.03 | goldenhawk | Morning :) |
| 00:02.13 | goldenhawk | Depending on where you are :p |
| 00:02.48 | rwhitby | ~ugt |
| 00:02.49 | apt | hmm... ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 00:03.42 | rwhitby | hipitihop: you rang? |
| 00:04.37 | goldenhawk | I agree that time of day based greetings are obsolete. |
| 00:06.02 | cjb | thinks timezones are obsolete |
| 00:06.46 | goldenhawk | nods at cjb, "I was thinking about just going by UTC as a protest against the sillyness of daylight savings time." |
| 00:07.04 | goldenhawk | "And if anyone asked me the time I'd say something like 'Oh seven-hundred fifteen zulu' |
| 00:07.29 | widrone | timezones are way to ordered, I just drift thru them one by one trying to find the best of them. Still looking it seems. |
| 00:07.46 | rwhitby | widrone: GMT+13:45 is a good one |
| 00:08.03 | rwhitby | much better than my GMT+9:30 |
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| 00:12.22 | hipitihop | rwhitby, I had a fso-testing signature files question but it has been answered thanks. |
| 00:14.25 | TankC | So.. how do I take apart this phone |
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| 00:15.53 | widrone | TankC: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973 |
| 00:16.30 | widrone | TankC: Link the start of the page says, its made for the last version. But should be simmilar. |
| 00:17.22 | widrone | seems like both my spelling and comprehention is in different timesones too. |
| 00:19.50 | widrone | TankC: Should I insert some word of caution on voiding your warranty about now perhaps? You may be doing that, but I dont really know/care. |
| 00:20.08 | rwhitby | TankC: once you've taken the back and front off, if you want to remove the PCB from the case then one trick is to lever the headset jack out of the case first with a screwdriver by pushing the case away from the pcb at that point |
| 00:21.42 | SpeedEvil | Err - no. |
| 00:21.46 | SpeedEvil | No need for screwdrivers. |
| 00:21.57 | SpeedEvil | You can get it out just by bending the case with fingers. |
| 00:22.14 | SpeedEvil | Or whatever appendages you have on the end of your manipulator psuedopods. |
| 00:22.37 | lambda | hey giys ; i have a `Attempting to create a too large file system` |
| 00:22.50 | lambda | when attempting a mkfs.vfat -v /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 00:23.10 | lambda | google didn't hit something relevant |
| 00:23.51 | lambda | this extended partition has a size of 8M ... |
| 00:24.14 | lambda | i idn't know it was too large for a MSDOS fs |
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| 00:25.06 | lambda | any help greatly appreciated |
| 00:25.30 | SpeedEvil | investigate mkfs.vfat fags |
| 00:25.30 | SpeedEvil | investigate mkfs.vfat flags |
| 00:26.10 | lambda | no man pages on 2007.07 |
| 00:26.20 | mmontour | lambda: does the size show up correctly in /proc/partitions? Also, if you're creating the FAT partition in order to boot from SD then I recommend updating your u-boot and using a single ext3 partition instead. |
| 00:26.22 | aggtrfrad | anyone seen this error? GTA02v5 # ext2ls mmc 1 |
| 00:26.22 | aggtrfrad | bad MBR sector signature 0x0000 |
| 00:26.22 | aggtrfrad | ** Bad partition - mmc 1:1 ** |
| 00:26.22 | aggtrfrad | GTA02v5 # |
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| 00:26.43 | lambda | mmontour, arf |
| 00:26.45 | lambda | ok |
| 00:26.46 | lambda | :) |
| 00:27.04 | ozzloy | hciconfig doesn't show my freerunner's bt. how do i find out the name of the device so i can hciconfig <device> up ? |
| 00:27.18 | aggtrfrad | u have to turn it on first |
| 00:27.32 | lambda | mmontour, you're right size doesn't show up correctly |
| 00:27.35 | lambda | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.48 | aggtrfrad | root@om-gta02:~# echo 1 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on |
| 00:27.48 | aggtrfrad | root@om-gta02:~# echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset |
| 00:27.53 | ozzloy | i followed the instructions for powering it on |
| 00:27.56 | ozzloy | yeah those |
| 00:27.59 | ozzloy | i did those |
| 00:28.14 | ozzloy | and then i did hciconfig, but it doesn't show |
| 00:28.20 | aggtrfrad | hciconfig should show it even if its powered off |
| 00:28.26 | ozzloy | ah |
| 00:28.39 | ozzloy | so i probly have to modprobe something |
| 00:28.41 | aggtrfrad | did u try hciconfig hci0 up? |
| 00:28.57 | ozzloy | no, but i'm gonna now |
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| 00:29.20 | ozzloy | no such device |
| 00:29.37 | ozzloy | hmm... |
| 00:29.52 | ozzloy | so i'm running the 2008.8.8 kernel |
| 00:30.11 | aggtrfrad | check what dmesg returns after u turn it on |
| 00:30.50 | aggtrfrad | could be bad kernel version for ur root fs, of id ur using a devel image could be anything/// |
| 00:30.52 | aggtrfrad | ... |
| 00:31.05 | mmontour | lambda: you said "extended partition" - not sure if that works. I've only used primary partitions on the SD card. |
| 00:31.06 | ozzloy | http://pastebin.com/d2051cfcd |
| 00:31.39 | ozzloy | battery weirdness too |
| 00:31.52 | ozzloy | so probly bad kernel |
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| 00:32.04 | lambda | mmontour, okay |Â where can i get 1.2.0-moko9_r13 please ? |
| 00:32.05 | ozzloy | aggtrfrad: thanks anyways. i'm just gonna deal w/ this later |
| 00:32.14 | lambda | i mean u-boot 1.2.0-moko9_r13 |
| 00:32.36 | lambda | it looks "good-for-sd-boot" :) |
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| 00:35.04 | lambda | this one: |
| 00:35.07 | lambda | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080820/u-boot-gta01bv2-1.3.1+gitr78+650149a53dbdd48bf6dfef90930c8ab182adb512-r0.bin |
| 00:35.14 | lambda | looks good |
| 00:35.18 | mmontour | That's very out-of-date info. Grab the latest u-boot from buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/... |
| 00:35.34 | mmontour | And get the right revision (gta02v5) |
| 00:36.02 | lambda | +1! |
| 00:36.42 | mmontour | ... assuming you have a Freerunner. A production Neo1973 would use gta01bv4. |
| 00:38.37 | aggtrfrad | both of my partitions from my 4GB sdhc disapeard after powering of debian, anyone had the same issue? |
| 00:39.45 | widrone | any latest u-boot good or is there a daily that you would advice on using, got my freerunner inbound in 1-2 days so I may as well get up to speed on the details. |
| 00:40.29 | mmontour | aggtrfrad: it's a known issue with suspend/resume, but I haven't seen it on a power-off. I haven't tried debian yet. |
| 00:40.40 | tunys | FOOOOOO!!!! |
| 00:40.44 | tunys | I haz moneh! |
| 00:40.57 | tunys | And when this deposit goes through, I'm-a buying me a FreeRunner |
| 00:41.14 | tunys | that, or equipment for streaking at sporting events. |
| 00:41.20 | aggtrfrad | yeah i was playing with suspend whez it froze... thanks |
| 00:41.44 | aggtrfrad | ex |
| 00:42.39 | mmontour | If you re-create the partition table with exactly the same sizes, you'll probably be able to access your data again (possibly some corruption of the first partition's filesystem) |
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| 00:44.50 | lambda | what disk space a 2008.08 usually use ? |
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| 00:46.54 | aggtrfrad | <mmontour> workd, cool :) |
| 00:50.05 | aggtrfrad | the debian installer set the boot partitions type (when fdisk-ing) to -b (win95 fat32), but then linux mounts it as ext2, and u-boot recognises it as ext2 also |
| 00:50.35 | aggtrfrad | thats because it is formated as ext2 later... but why would we wanna use this setting in fdisk? :/ |
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| 01:13.16 | cjb | hrr, rotating to landscape and back with the keyboard open results in the keyboard not showing all the characters anymore |
| 01:13.23 | cjb | on FSO |
| 01:13.35 | cjb | it's slightly zoomed in, so backspace/tab etc are out of view |
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| 01:22.01 | tim_abell | hello peeps |
| 01:23.01 | tim_abell | has anyone managed to use a bluetooth keyboard under 2008.8? |
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| 01:32.59 | johnsu01 | tim_abell: yes |
| 01:33.50 | tim_abell | i just got a freedom keyboard and so far no luck |
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| 01:34.38 | tim_abell | story so far: http://timwise.wikispaces.com/My+neo+freerunner+running+0m2008.8 (see end of page) |
| 01:35.03 | tim_abell | "Can't create HID control channel: Connection reset by peer" I'm probably doing something really daft |
| 01:35.48 | johnsu01 | tim_abell: hidd --connect ADDRESS |
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| 01:36.02 | johnsu01 | worked for me earlier.. |
| 01:36.22 | tim_abell | ho hum |
| 01:36.23 | johnsu01 | tim_abell: what bluetooth modules do you have loaded? |
| 01:36.30 | tim_abell | no idea |
| 01:36.47 | johnsu01 | hm that shouldn't matter on 2008.8 actually |
| 01:37.23 | johnsu01 | hciconfig shows your interface as up? |
| 01:38.30 | tim_abell | http://pastebin.ca/1180257 |
| 01:38.48 | tim_abell | I think so, though I could be misinterpreting. |
| 01:38.49 | ace-- | don't suposed any one made an up-to-date package of gdb ? :) |
| 01:39.10 | johnsu01 | tim_abell: looks right |
| 01:39.16 | johnsu01 | tim_abell: hcid is running? |
| 01:39.51 | tim_abell | yup. 1367 ? 00:00:00 hcid |
| 01:40.12 | tim_abell | would I get the control channel message if I'd failed to put the keyboard in pairing mode? |
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| 01:41.12 | johnsu01 | tim_abell: maybe, not sure |
| 01:42.09 | tim_abell | i haven't tried the keyboard on anything else yet |
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| 01:42.47 | tim_abell | and I only just bought it |
| 01:45.26 | tim_abell | johnsu01, thanks for responding. did you have to enter the keyboard's passkey in some form in order to use it? I don't seem to have had the opportunity, unless I'm missing something |
| 01:45.58 | johnsu01 | tim_abell: Nope, didn't have to enter a passkey, and I didn't alter anything about the freerunner's bluetooth config |
| 01:46.29 | tim_abell | hrm. okay, thanks |
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| 01:48.39 | tim_abell | it's a bit depressing that in the week I've been having gsm connection issues I've received approx zero voicemails |
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| 02:01.52 | *** topic/#openmoko is Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | DO NOT USE buildhost.openmoko.org TO UPGRADE 2008.8 IT WILL NEVER EVER WORK |Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. |http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | Software status - NOT a stable or usable phone yet. | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
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| 02:16.32 | thanatos0624 | what channel should i go to for help with gps (the website mentioned above did not help)? |
| 02:17.34 | KenYoung | What kind of problem are you having with GPS? |
| 02:17.55 | thanatos0624 | I cannot get a fix. I've tried debian, 2007.2, and 2008.8, as well as various builds |
| 02:18.03 | thanatos0624 | I'm in a house in western New York |
| 02:18.24 | thanatos0624 | I've tried with the SD Card removed |
| 02:19.35 | KenYoung | thanatos0624, Does anything come out of the serial line? |
| 02:20.00 | KenYoung | thanatos0624, Have you tried cat'ing the serial line? |
| 02:20.10 | thanatos0624 | what do I cat |
| 02:20.16 | thanatos0624 | precisely? |
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| 02:20.24 | KenYoung | thanatos0624, Freerunner or neo1973? |
| 02:20.57 | thanatos0624 | freerunner |
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| 02:22.04 | mmaestri | rwhitby: ping... |
| 02:22.26 | rwhitby | mmaestri: SYN|ACK |
| 02:22.36 | KenYoung | thanatos0624, cat /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 02:23.01 | thanatos0624 | KenYoung, I'm booting the phone, will ssh shortly.. |
| 02:23.45 | mmaestri | i've installed last fso from shr.bearstech.com |
| 02:24.00 | mmaestri | seems that it doesn't suspend |
| 02:24.02 | rwhitby | testing or unstable? |
| 02:24.07 | mmaestri | unstable |
| 02:24.25 | thanatos0624 | KenYoung, there was no output, but then I didn't enable GPS yet. I'm going to try that |
| 02:24.26 | mmaestri | it resolved my zhone "no dbus" problem |
| 02:24.58 | rwhitby | fso-testing seems to suspend |
| 02:25.02 | mmaestri | but it even doesn't dim when not plugged in |
| 02:25.07 | cjb | mmaestri: oh, cool |
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| 02:25.14 | cjb | mmaestri: does it work with the dialer? |
| 02:25.38 | mmaestri | cjb: not using it as a phone right now |
| 02:25.42 | thanatos0624 | KenYoung, $GPZDA,,,,,00,00*48 |
| 02:25.42 | thanatos0624 | $GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,99.99,99.99,99.99*30 |
| 02:25.42 | thanatos0624 | $GPTXT,01,01,01,NMEA unknown msg*58 |
| 02:25.52 | thanatos0624 | and it repeats |
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| 02:26.45 | cjb | mmaestri: ok. that was my problem with fso-testing a few days ago. |
| 02:26.51 | KenYoung | thanatos0624, OK, that's fairly normal when you don't have a fix. |
| 02:27.08 | KenYoung | thanatos0624, (I think) |
| 02:27.11 | mmaestri | cjb: i'm on unstable |
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| 02:27.36 | thanatos0624 | I'm sorry, I'm new to IRC; Am I private messaging you now? |
| 02:27.37 | KenYoung | thanatos0624, Have you tried agpsui? |
| 02:28.13 | thanatos0624 | No, how do I use agpsui? |
| 02:28.44 | cjb | mmaestri: sorry, yeah, me too |
| 02:28.58 | KenYoung | thanatos0624, check out http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Howto_Test_Your_GPS_with_agpsui |
| 02:29.15 | kd8ikt | its not in the repo's though |
| 02:29.18 | kd8ikt | last i checked |
| 02:29.20 | thanatos0624 | will do |
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| 02:29.50 | mmaestri | rwhitby: can you please add libgarmin to task-openmoko? |
| 02:31.05 | KenYoung | thanatos0624, If you are using gpsd, be sure you have the correct serial line listed in /etc/defaults/gpsd |
| 02:31.30 | thanatos0624 | i believe I changed it |
| 02:33.50 | thanatos0624 | KenYoung, The file I'm told to wget at the link you gave me is not found |
| 02:33.56 | thanatos0624 | Did they move the binaries? |
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| 02:35.36 | rwhitby | mmaestri: ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'libgarmin' |
| 02:35.38 | KenYoung | thanatos0624, I think there's a link to it on the "Getting Started" page too. You could try that one too. I'm afraid it's been over 1 month since I downloaded that program, so I can't point to a known good link. |
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| 02:36.24 | rwhitby | mmaestri: I can only add things to task-openmoko-feed that already exist as buildable packages in OE. |
| 02:37.30 | rooly | jeebus |
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| 02:37.37 | rooly | #c++ ops are jerkoffs |
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| 02:38.40 | KenYoung | thanatos0624, are you running wget on the Freerunner itself? |
| 02:39.07 | rooly | ya tell someone about a simple old trick that kicks 2 or 3 people off in a heavily populated channel because they have crappy routers, and you get banned |
| 02:39.18 | thanatos0624 | KenYoung, I misread the instructions. I was successfully able to install agpsui, and now I'm running the program. |
| 02:39.30 | KenYoung | thanatos0624, Goodie! |
| 02:39.45 | rooly | so, who wants to get themselves banned from ##c++? |
| 02:39.49 | rooly | i can tell ya how |
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| 02:40.56 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07specs * rfeae4c6796bf 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [opreferences] Added GetProfiles method |
| 02:40.56 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07specs * r969713ff4d42 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ophoned] Adding the `Incoming` signal |
| 02:40.57 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07specs * r2dae11c2aa68 10/ (69 files in 9 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git@git.freesmartphone.org/specs |
| 02:41.00 | raster | rooly: say "Stroustrup is a gerbil" ? |
| 02:41.11 | rooly | haha, that works too |
| 02:42.00 | raster | ok |
| 02:42.10 | raster | almost have FSO up to snuff with e svn |
| 02:42.11 | thanatos0624 | KenYoung, OK, so I press Power On and now I'm getting 1 failed fix every second or so. |
| 02:42.13 | raster | lets see... |
| 02:43.19 | KenYoung | thanatos0624, Are you doing this outside? Is it detecting any satellites at all? |
| 02:44.21 | raster | i ate all the satellites |
| 02:44.21 | rooly | hrm...why is my om2007.2 not saving contact #'s? |
| 02:44.22 | raster | yum |
| 02:44.31 | raster | rooly: it hates you |
| 02:44.32 | raster | :) |
| 02:44.35 | rooly | seems that way |
| 02:44.43 | rooly | however, i can add contacts from calls and sms just fine |
| 02:44.54 | thanatos0624 | KenYoung, No, I'm inside. What exactly do you mean by detecting satellites? I'm not getting any fixes if that's what you're talking about. |
| 02:44.56 | rooly | and it apparently loads from the sim just fine too |
| 02:46.34 | johnsu01 | wonders about importing vcf contacts into the zhone addressbook, or maybe using evolution...? |
| 02:46.42 | KenYoung | thanatos0624, I'd strongly recommend that you try it outside. GPS reception is usually poor, often impossible, inside a building. After you get the first fix, there's a decent chance you continue to get fixes after returning inside, if you are near windows, etc. But if your having troublem definately try it outside. |
| 02:47.39 | thanatos0624 | KenYoung, OK. Would you happen to know if this is not the case with an external antenna? |
| 02:48.49 | KenYoung | thanatos0624, I've not tried it with an external antenna. Certainly that would help. WIth my Freerunner, I *rarely* get a first fix inside, but it often can continue to update the possition when I return inside. |
| 02:48.57 | rooly | yeah, another helpful thing is to be 7500 ft in the air |
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| 02:54.30 | thanatos0624 | KenYoung, I stood outside for 5 minutes and got a fix. Thanks for your help. |
| 02:55.21 | KenYoung | thanatos0624, My pleasure. |
| 03:00.58 | thanatos0624 | Is it possible to zoom in to local streets with TangoGPS? |
| 03:01.23 | rooly | all tthe way to 17 |
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| 03:13.18 | rooly | hrm |
| 03:13.30 | rooly | anyone else get their audio killed while using dfu-util? |
| 03:17.52 | AntonTakk | raster: were you aware that the examples in python-edje and python-etk don't work (at least on the freerunner) |
| 03:18.23 | raster | no idea |
| 03:18.28 | raster | i don't do python |
| 03:18.45 | raster | i am happily python-free |
| 03:18.46 | raster | :) |
| 03:18.51 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 03:20.22 | AntonTakk | well, i've never written a program with a gui until i picked up the python book, thou it only has tk examples, so it's just a tad irrelevant |
| 03:21.07 | raster | i come from old school |
| 03:21.12 | raster | basic.. thyen traight to machine code |
| 03:21.23 | raster | not too hard |
| 03:21.31 | raster | i went up a level to0 assembly for about 6 years |
| 03:21.36 | raster | then deigned to jump up to c |
| 03:21.49 | raster | but c is just macro accembly anyway that portable |
| 03:21.53 | raster | assembly |
| 03:22.01 | raster | higher.. i dare not go |
| 03:22.04 | rwhitby | did z80 assembly first |
| 03:22.18 | raster | otherwise i wont be compiling my code in my head as i write it :) |
| 03:22.26 | raster | rwhitby: no basic phase? |
| 03:22.29 | raster | come on |
| 03:22.38 | raster | those days the 8bit comps came with basic examples |
| 03:22.46 | raster | u at least did something in basic first... |
| 03:22.52 | AntonTakk | i didn't do machine code or asm, thou if I ever have the free time, i'd like to, then went pascal and C++ simultaneously, and stuck with c++ till i just kinda stopped :) |
| 03:23.11 | rwhitby | raster: yeah, basic first. sinclair zx81 |
| 03:23.23 | AntonTakk | applesoft basic++ ;) |
| 03:23.23 | raster | aaah there was the basic phase |
| 03:23.26 | raster | i did the same thing |
| 03:23.41 | raster | but in commodore land (vic20->c64, so 6502 machine code) |
| 03:23.43 | rwhitby | cpm OS on zx80 later |
| 03:23.53 | raster | then i made the leap up to 68k and the amiga |
| 03:23.56 | raster | man that was a leap |
| 03:24.04 | rwhitby | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroBee |
| 03:24.07 | raster | a whole 512k of ram to play with! |
| 03:24.16 | raster | and chips that actually did shit... |
| 03:24.17 | raster | :) |
| 03:24.23 | AntonTakk | hehe |
| 03:24.28 | raster | ahh you were in a microbee school eh? |
| 03:24.28 | raster | :) |
| 03:25.28 | AntonTakk | i did appleIIe with apple dos > Pentium 2 / win95 |
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| 03:26.44 | rwhitby | raster: not at school, private purchase |
| 03:26.52 | raster | AntonTakk: seriously. c is not scary. its nice and simple. :) |
| 03:26.56 | raster | rwhitby: oooh. |
| 03:27.28 | rwhitby | did my own circuit mods on it :-) |
| 03:27.59 | raster | aaah - i was too young for that |
| 03:28.10 | raster | started at 8.. and they were school comps |
| 03:28.26 | raster | by the time i got my own amiga500 - bugger if i was touching that circuit board. |
| 03:29.18 | rwhitby | I did some basic on a friend's dad's trash80 |
| 03:29.29 | raster | aah good 'ol trash |
| 03:29.49 | rooly | retries om2008.8 |
| 03:30.04 | rooly | see, cause 2007.2, while good, is just unsupported |
| 03:30.31 | rooly | wouldn't mind a bluetooth gui however |
| 03:30.35 | rooly | i really don't wanna write one |
| 03:30.37 | AntonTakk | raster: well, the only c book i have was stamped by the college library in 1990, "Covers ANSI C, UNIX, Microsoft C, and Turbo C" and also mentions who owns the VAX/VMS trademarks :) spose it's relevant? |
| 03:30.53 | raster | is vepry close to doing an 'image-sexonastick.bb' |
| 03:31.11 | raster | AntonTakk: probably - i just learnt c by reading it |
| 03:31.19 | raster | "ooh.. so thats how you do that" moments. |
| 03:31.51 | raster | fmm |
| 03:31.52 | raster | make that |
| 03:31.58 | raster | sexonastick-image.bb |
| 03:32.09 | raster | not sure how much i want to screw around with fso |
| 03:33.16 | rwhitby | finds http://openmoko.togaware.com/survivor/index.html and wonders how peeved that author is that everything changed ... |
| 03:33.17 | AntonTakk | i don't tend to have the patience to decrypt how someone else's code works, i prefer having decent and well documented examples and a good function reference |
| 03:33.50 | AntonTakk | and just work it out on my own |
| 03:34.25 | raster | bah |
| 03:34.28 | raster | its not hard |
| 03:34.56 | AntonTakk | well, lets see.... |
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| 03:35.38 | AntonTakk | checks his installed apps....development....edje editor....fantastic :) time to group install :) |
| 03:36.00 | raster | edje_editor is more limited than hand-eding .edc' btw |
| 03:36.17 | raster | and it will not maintain the .edc if u start editing a .edj with it |
| 03:36.24 | raster | right now its an all or nothing deal |
| 03:36.29 | raster | use it and accept its limits |
| 03:36.29 | AntonTakk | oh, i know, i just thought it would be fun to play with |
| 03:36.31 | raster | or do it by hand |
| 03:36.44 | raster | its cool just to get to know how some things work tho - if u are new to edje |
| 03:36.45 | raster | for sure |
| 03:36.52 | raster | and eventually shoudl be fully-baked |
| 03:37.00 | raster | personalyl i can do the layout in my head |
| 03:37.05 | raster | so i have no dee for it |
| 03:37.06 | raster | need |
| 03:37.15 | raster | but i know - i'm strange |
| 03:37.33 | raster | years of doing gfx have twisted my braincells somehow into odd shapes |
| 03:37.44 | AntonTakk | i started a port of e16's Dark Alloy to e17, after stopping and starting multiple times over multiple api changes, I just stopped completely, thou I had about 7k lines of hand typed code in it thou |
| 03:38.02 | raster | aaah |
| 03:38.04 | raster | nice |
| 03:38.18 | raster | not bad |
| 03:38.24 | raster | e's new theme is only 11.6k lines so far |
| 03:38.30 | raster | 600 for the init splash |
| 03:38.59 | AntonTakk | yeah it was, 5 of those seven was like half of the available window types :) |
| 03:39.09 | raster | yeah |
| 03:39.12 | raster | its easier now |
| 03:39.14 | raster | u can use aliases |
| 03:39.57 | AntonTakk | the edje theme api changing drastically any more? ;) |
| 03:40.38 | raster | no |
| 03:40.41 | raster | note really |
| 03:40.43 | raster | its very stable |
| 03:40.48 | AntonTakk | nice |
| 03:40.57 | raster | we did major cleanups thats what annoyed you i think |
| 03:41.02 | raster | now its clean - its stable |
| 03:41.51 | AntonTakk | well, i'll have to learn it again if I want to do apps on fso anyways |
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| 03:43.13 | ieatlint | raster, can't you just make a visualbasic emulator for e? |
| 03:43.26 | rooly | raster, have you ever encountered a problem with system audio while flasing your fr? |
| 03:45.28 | raster | during flashing? |
| 03:45.32 | rooly | yeah |
| 03:45.38 | raster | ieatlint: i can.. but i won't |
| 03:45.39 | raster | :) |
| 03:45.42 | raster | ro never. |
| 03:46.03 | rooly | strangest thing, my computer's audio stopped working while i was flashing using dfu |
| 03:46.14 | rooly | maybe it's just an unfortunate coincedince |
| 03:46.41 | ieatlint | raster, but ... vb > c |
| 03:46.56 | rooly | likes c |
| 03:47.07 | ieatlint | you would. |
| 03:47.10 | AntonTakk | rooly: i seem to get ticking in my desktop's audio while the fr is connected if the fr has been on a while (24 hrs or more?) |
| 03:47.29 | AntonTakk | bash > vb |
| 03:47.31 | AntonTakk | ;) |
| 03:47.33 | rooly | agrees |
| 03:48.02 | rooly | if'n i'm gonna use an interpretd language, why not use one that works the same on 99% of operating systems |
| 03:48.02 | raster | ieatlint: :-P |
| 03:48.38 | ieatlint | rooly, vb would work on 99% of operating systems if people like raster wrote emulators. |
| 03:48.52 | ieatlint | okay, this joke wasn't even funny when it started :( |
| 03:48.55 | rooly | i will admit, however, that vb is quite nice when it comes to reading it for the first time |
| 03:49.10 | AntonTakk | anyone able to recommend a good ide? installing eclipse to try right now |
| 03:49.12 | rooly | easy to see what's happening to some extent even if you have no experience with it |
| 03:49.17 | rooly | netbeans ftw |
| 03:49.24 | rooly | makes a makefile for ya |
| 03:49.36 | AntonTakk | so does eclipse |
| 03:49.46 | AntonTakk | eclipse manages all of it |
| 03:49.46 | rooly | the two apps are basically the same thing |
| 03:49.51 | AntonTakk | ah |
| 03:50.09 | rooly | i'm not sure which one is newer tho |
| 03:50.20 | rooly | eclipse just runs insanely slow on my laptop |
| 03:50.24 | rooly | never could figure out why |
| 03:50.28 | rooly | it runs itself into the ground |
| 03:50.31 | rooly | but netbeans works fine |
| 03:50.41 | AntonTakk | not to say that i'm not going to end-up using vim a good chunk of the time, but auto-tools/etc is something i have no real desire to learn atm |
| 03:51.09 | rwhitby | hmm - my bluetooth on gta01 doesn't seem to be powering on |
| 03:51.14 | rooly | wouldn't mind autotools if it weren't so slow |
| 03:51.22 | rwhitby | echo 1 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on |
| 03:51.25 | AntonTakk | eclipse sometimes got horibly slow on my old desktop |
| 03:51.38 | rwhitby | echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset |
| 03:51.46 | AntonTakk | haven't really messed with it much recently |
| 03:52.20 | rooly | oy vey |
| 03:52.33 | rooly | i'm really not in the mood to rework all of my network scripts |
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| 03:56.54 | raster | ok |
| 03:57.04 | raster | sfo patches to latest svn... ready to do some real dev |
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| 04:00.40 | raster | now... for shits & giggles... |
| 04:00.46 | raster | let me build this for my zaurus... |
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| 04:03.06 | AntonTakk | raster: are there any simple c examples for etk/edje? |
| 04:03.35 | raster | hmm |
| 04:03.40 | raster | not that i can point to for etk |
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| 04:19.53 | rooly | are there any wifi connection quality issues i should be aware of? |
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| 04:23.20 | rooly | hmm... |
| 04:23.44 | rooly | you think you dev guys could maybe possibly have the light blink while charging and be steady when done? |
| 04:23.59 | rooly | oh, and bluetooth could turn the blue led on |
| 04:24.06 | rooly | and the wifi could turn the orange led on |
| 04:27.32 | rooly | hell, if anyone would be kind enough to point me at the scripts which control these things |
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| 04:35.21 | kd8ikt | u mean /sys/class/leds/? |
| 04:35.56 | rooly | no, i mean the gui's wifi startup, bluetooth startup, and power toggle |
| 04:35.58 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r36a0973bffc2 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): [openmoko] Change name from Diversity-nav to Om-locations |
| 04:36.02 | rooly | are all of those in source? |
| 04:37.21 | aggtrfrad | lolz where are the blue and orange leds? |
| 04:37.25 | rooly | on the power button |
| 04:38.40 | rooly | echo 1 > /sys/class/leds/gta02-power\:blue/brightness |
| 04:40.37 | aggtrfrad | hehe it becomes purple if u power on both |
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| 04:42.49 | rooly | yup |
| 04:42.56 | rooly | is looking thru the scripts to make this work now |
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| 04:44.46 | aggtrfrad | u can also togle the vibrators speed |
| 04:44.54 | rooly | mm hmm |
| 04:45.14 | aggtrfrad | from 0 to 250 :p |
| 04:45.40 | rooly | right |
| 04:45.44 | rooly | testing my change right now |
| 04:46.00 | rooly | damn |
| 04:46.30 | rooly | what does the settings application use to change the bluetooth? |
| 04:49.00 | rooly | is browsing thru the exposuer.py app |
| 04:49.26 | cjb | rooly: what's that do? |
| 04:49.37 | rooly | it's the settings gui app for 0m2008.8 |
| 04:49.46 | cjb | ah |
| 04:49.58 | ieatlint | aggtrfrad, 255 :) |
| 04:49.59 | rooly | is gonna change some wifi code if he can |
| 04:50.38 | ieatlint | it may be of interest to some that the vibrator is exposed in the case, and increasing the value from 0 to 255 simply increases the voltage... the pins to this are exposed |
| 04:51.00 | ieatlint | so someone could modify the case to put something else on that :P |
| 04:52.51 | rooly | right... |
| 04:52.52 | rooly | well |
| 04:53.00 | rooly | where is the wifi code then |
| 04:53.02 | rooly | sighs |
| 04:53.54 | ieatlint | wifi code? |
| 04:54.06 | rooly | the python wifi code |
| 04:54.16 | rooly | it's in either os or sys |
| 04:54.24 | ieatlint | python wifi code? |
| 04:54.24 | rooly | but i don't know where those are or how to modify them |
| 04:54.31 | ieatlint | python doesn't have a wifi module... |
| 04:54.40 | rooly | look at /usr/bin/exposure.py |
| 04:54.48 | ieatlint | i don't have that app |
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| 04:55.00 | rooly | using om2008.8? |
| 04:55.11 | ieatlint | nope |
| 04:55.15 | rooly | right |
| 04:55.19 | rooly | well, watch this: |
| 04:56.17 | rooly | self.mywifi = wifi(self.etk, self.edj, self.edje.Edje, self.edje_file, self.window.evas, dbus, self.system_bus, self.ecore, self.window) |
| 04:56.50 | ieatlint | ok, so they made a wifi class |
| 04:57.01 | ieatlint | look at the imports a the top of the script |
| 04:57.31 | rooly | import os |
| 04:57.33 | rooly | import sys |
| 04:57.49 | ieatlint | there's more somewhere :) |
| 04:57.56 | rooly | i don't know python beyond reading it |
| 04:57.59 | ieatlint | or it's defined in that file |
| 04:58.07 | rooly | it's not defined in this file |
| 04:58.09 | rooly | i can tell ya that |
| 04:58.15 | rooly | sys seems likely |
| 04:58.19 | rooly | where do i find sys tho |
| 04:58.47 | ieatlint | http://docs.python.org/lib/module-sys.html |
| 04:59.12 | ieatlint | it's a custom class, not a python default (both os and sys are default) |
| 04:59.24 | rooly | right |
| 04:59.26 | rooly | i know that |
| 04:59.51 | Infoport | hi all! |
| 05:00.11 | aggtrfrad | hi |
| 05:02.41 | Infoport | it seems that with the latest OM2007 and TangoGPS, that TangoGPS never finds my GPS even. the Openmoko AGPS Test program finds fixes after a bit though. TangoGPS used to ber fine, but not after a reflash |
| 05:03.02 | rooly | cat /etc/default/gpsd |
| 05:03.14 | rooly | tell me if you see /dev/ttySAC1 from that |
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| 05:06.55 | rooly | found it |
| 05:07.03 | rooly | where would i look for these: from expos import gsm, bt, gps, brightness, suspend, time, sysinfo, wifi, profile, xdesktop |
| 05:07.28 | ieatlint | you look for "expos" |
| 05:08.01 | rooly | what if it's compiled or someodd |
| 05:08.12 | cjb | rooly: find / -name expos.py |
| 05:08.13 | rooly | where is the python library anyway |
| 05:12.22 | rooly | no return... |
| 05:12.24 | rooly | not found |
| 05:12.26 | rooly | etc |
| 05:13.24 | cjb | hmph. |
| 05:13.53 | cjb | find / -name expos |
| 05:13.54 | cjb | ? |
| 05:14.06 | cjb | that'll probably find the directory |
| 05:14.17 | cjb | if it's not a .py, I think it has to be a dir |
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| 05:14.38 | rooly | where is python's lib directory at anyway |
| 05:14.52 | cjb | usually something like /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages |
| 05:14.59 | cjb | dunno about 2008.8, I don't use that |
| 05:15.22 | rooly | found it |
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| 05:17.04 | rooly | you were right |
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| 05:24.10 | ace-- | i've made a package of a more recent gdb, if anyone's interested, it's available on http://fort-knox.org/~yyounan/gdb/ |
| 05:24.35 | ace-- | they newer version has better arm support |
| 05:25.09 | ace-- | the even :) |
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| 05:29.57 | johnsu01 | yay, working as a wifi remote for the mpd on my stereo |
| 05:30.21 | rooly | right |
| 05:30.23 | rooly | that should work |
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| 05:33.27 | rooly | hrm |
| 05:33.29 | rooly | ... |
| 05:33.36 | rooly | the bluetooth has been turned on during boot |
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| 05:33.47 | rooly | at least, according to my little scriptable |
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| 05:50.35 | Infoport | rooly had to take care of a mess. cat /etc/default/gspd gives /dev/ttyS3 |
| 05:51.20 | rooly | then you need to change it to /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 05:51.46 | rooly | oy vey |
| 05:51.52 | rooly | i'm gonna need some help with this |
| 05:51.53 | Infoport | rooly how do I change it? just edit the file? |
| 05:52.02 | rooly | vi /etc/default/gpsd.default |
| 05:52.13 | rooly | or nano, if'n you have it |
| 05:52.14 | rooly | damnit |
| 05:52.23 | rooly | this thing isn't working |
| 05:52.28 | rooly | it should be, but it's not |
| 05:52.42 | rooly | do i have to recompile python when i make a script change? |
| 05:53.20 | Infoport | rooly ok, I do vi, just wondering if that is the direct file (since stuff like resolv.conf has changed in 2008.8, watching out) |
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| 05:54.35 | Zoup | hi , will my freerunner get overcharger if it remains in charge after its been fully charged ? |
| 05:54.43 | Zoup | will that damage my battery ? |
| 05:54.44 | cjb | Zoup: no. |
| 05:54.45 | rooly | no. |
| 05:54.51 | Zoup | thanks thanks |
| 05:54.54 | rooly | cjb, any ideas? |
| 05:54.56 | cjb | this isn't 1985 :) |
| 05:55.02 | johnsu01 | cjb: will it stop charging even with a 3rd party battery that doesn't report status? |
| 05:55.05 | cjb | rooly: no, you don't have to recompile. |
| 05:55.12 | rooly | then why won't it work... |
| 05:55.18 | johnsu01 | (I had to get a 3rd-party battery over the weekend to recover from deep discharge...) |
| 05:55.22 | cjb | johnsu01: perhaps not. someone warned me about that. |
| 05:55.32 | rooly | i get "unknown" for the status now |
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| 05:55.37 | johnsu01 | cjb: Yeah, I was afraid enough to only let it charge the new battery for an hour or so |
| 05:55.42 | rooly | even tho i didn't change any code, only added lines |
| 05:55.43 | cjb | rooly: I don't know what you're doing, so I can't tell you why it isn't working. |
| 05:55.43 | Infoport | rooly hmm do I have to restart or something? it didnt seem to work right off |
| 05:55.47 | rooly | os.system("bla") |
| 05:56.15 | rooly | cjb, i'm turning on and off led's for bluetooth and wifi |
| 05:56.23 | rooly | making them useful |
| 05:57.14 | cjb | hm, I guess I didn't get a clear answer |
| 05:57.16 | cjb | 15:00 <cjb> can I use a neo battery on a FR? |
| 05:57.24 | cjb | 15:01 <wurp2|working> My understanding is that it works fine, but won't charge properly |
| 05:57.40 | rooly | isn't that an oxymoron? |
| 05:57.45 | rooly | works fine but |
| 05:57.55 | rooly | oy vey |
| 05:58.00 | cjb | he means works as in discharges. |
| 05:58.01 | rooly | sighs |
| 05:58.08 | rooly | right, i know |
| 05:58.11 | rooly | just the wording |
| 05:58.19 | rooly | this should by all means be working |
| 05:58.43 | johnsu01 | the combination of the charging indicator being broken and the deep discharge issue is brutal |
| 05:58.46 | cjb | every problem can be solved with copious use of print statements |
| 05:59.07 | cjb | johnsu01: I haven't hit the deep discharge problem yet. Is it fixed by newer uboot? |
| 05:59.15 | cjb | I haven't upgraded uboot 'cause I broke my AUX button. |
| 05:59.38 | johnsu01 | cjb: not fixed that I'm aware of, but I haven't checked for about a week |
| 06:00.13 | rooly | sighs |
| 06:00.18 | rooly | it just refuses |
| 06:00.24 | rooly | i'll try rebooting again |
| 06:00.38 | johnsu01 | but now I'm using debian anyway and have the zhone charge indicator |
| 06:01.11 | Infoport | cjb I think I'm going to first wear out the edge of the slot for opening the case :D |
| 06:01.21 | cjb | Infoport: yeah, I noticed that feeling looser :) |
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| 06:01.34 | rooly | the phone needs a gsm profile |
| 06:01.58 | Infoport | cjb from "hard resets", removing the battery |
| 06:02.40 | johnsu01 | I'm pretty nervous about the ability of the case to hold together in the future.. |
| 06:02.44 | rooly | that way it can turn on airplanes...and one could watch the dot move at 600 mph |
| 06:04.06 | Infoport | johns01 mine still isnt loose, but there is wear on the edge of the slot |
| 06:05.22 | rooly | seriously |
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| 06:05.29 | rooly | okay, going look at wtf is happening |
| 06:05.36 | rooly | gonna run a paste |
| 06:07.17 | Infoport | anybody know why TangoGPS cant find a GPS device, even though the Openmoko AGPS tester can? |
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| 06:07.28 | lindi- | nice, my freerunner kept itself suspended the whole night and even charged itself during that suspend |
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| 06:07.36 | rooly | http://rafb.net/p/shPvK156.html |
| 06:07.37 | lindi- | Infoport: strace? |
| 06:07.56 | rooly | cjb, i've done that, and now it eternally says "unknown" for the status |
| 06:08.19 | rooly | this is wifi, btw |
| 06:08.38 | Infoport | lindi- that's your solution for everything! (ok I'll check) |
| 06:08.44 | lindi- | Infoport: but it is :) |
| 06:08.49 | lindi- | Infoport: did you manage to log AT commands? |
| 06:09.19 | rooly | Infoport, the gps device changed names on the FR i believe |
| 06:10.22 | Infoport | lindi-- another advised that the SIM chip touched the tab on the bracket, it was true, and I went and changed it. I didnt see AT commands with strace though |
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| 06:11.31 | rooly | any dev's in here? |
| 06:11.48 | Infoport | lindi-, rooly, I havent had luck with a couple of variations so far...ttySAC1, ttySAC0, and the original values |
| 06:12.16 | rooly | ttySAC1 is the value |
| 06:12.21 | aggtrfrad | anyone tried xvkbd or any other keyboards on the new debian releaasE? |
| 06:12.23 | rooly | /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 06:13.42 | Infoport | rooly do I need to restart, or just run TangoGPS? |
| 06:14.35 | rooly | first you need to turn on gps |
| 06:14.41 | rooly | then start tangogps |
| 06:15.22 | rooly | if tangogps says something other than "no gps found" or "no device found" or similar, you're safe and just need to be patient or outside |
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| 06:17.09 | Infoport | rooly still getting "No GPS found" |
| 06:17.43 | rooly | try "cat /dev/ttySAC1" |
| 06:18.04 | rooly | you should get alot of output |
| 06:18.45 | rooly | if not, then the gps is NOT turned on |
| 06:18.58 | rooly | you should be able to turn it on with "/etc/init.d/gpsd start" |
| 06:19.25 | Infoport | rooly I *do* get a bunch of output-- maybe I need to reboot or something to convince TangoGPS that the device is there |
| 06:19.49 | rooly | no |
| 06:19.57 | rooly | is tangogps open? |
| 06:20.11 | Infoport | rooly I know-- that is such a Windows solution |
| 06:20.13 | rooly | try scrolling down on the right-most tab and hitting "reconnect to gpsd" |
| 06:21.20 | lindi- | aggtrfrad: i am trying to get illume keyboard |
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| 06:24.46 | Infoport | hmmm rooly it is not saying no GPS found now, so maybe I'll get a TTFF in a bit! |
| 06:27.35 | KenSentMe | Is the person behind the zecke repository on irc? I don't know if he/she would use zecke as his/her irc name too |
| 06:28.44 | aggtrfrad | so i i get it right, zhone is a pygtk application that runs on a simple X system? |
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| 06:30.00 | aggtrfrad | i mean the fso x system, is it zhone or frameworkd? on of these is the gsm services and the other the desktop? |
| 06:30.22 | Tanuva | zhone is the application used to test frameworkd |
| 06:30.38 | Tanuva | and frameworkd does the hardware interaction |
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| 06:31.12 | aggtrfrad | how cool would it be to run xfce a ur main Xwindow manager and zhone to insteract with telephony? |
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| 06:32.05 | Tanuva | either build xfce ipkgs or install debian, there you can have that (after fiddling round more or less, didn't manage to get a wm running properly...) |
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| 06:33.08 | aggtrfrad | yeah im talking about debian |
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| 06:33.34 | lindi- | aggtrfrad: now we only need the keyboard :) |
| 06:33.43 | Infoport | rooly, cool! after restarting apps, and starting AGPS test first (seems to get it faster), TangoGPS is getting fixes! /dev/ttySAC1 was my last setting change! |
| 06:33.45 | aggtrfrad | i think its a matter of time till its done, cause now debian release is useless |
| 06:33.46 | Tanuva | btw, if you get sound to work on debian... |
| 06:34.03 | lindi- | Tanuva: works |
| 06:34.09 | Tanuva | damn |
| 06:34.20 | lindi- | aggtrfrad: yes but that time can be shortened, see my mails with raster :) |
| 06:34.33 | Tanuva | I'd love to know why mine doesn't, mixer seems to be okay, mplayer plays without complaining... |
| 06:34.45 | lindi- | Tanuva: but you hear nothing from mplayer? |
| 06:34.50 | Tanuva | yep |
| 06:35.00 | Tanuva | neither built-in nor on headphones |
| 06:36.33 | Infoport | ok. time for sleep! the mead at Brewers Guild was great (many many small tastes) Nite all ! |
| 06:36.55 | lindi- | Tanuva: interesting |
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| 06:40.44 | Tanuva | lindi-: but it works on fso, so the hardware is okay :/ |
| 06:42.11 | lindi- | Tanuva: same kernel even? |
| 06:42.36 | Tanuva | hmm... I believe, yes |
| 06:42.53 | KenSentMe | Can i see the output of 'logread' live thorugh ssh, so i can immediately spot certain system messages? |
| 06:43.46 | dbmoodb | aggtrfrad: well the debian release is great :) -- you just need the right alsa config which i don't have |
| 06:44.21 | aggtrfrad | i was talking about the app/window manager limitations |
| 06:44.30 | aggtrfrad | i dont have any probs with alsa :p |
| 06:45.06 | dbmoodb | aggtrfrad: really ? |
| 06:45.16 | dbmoodb | you can use voip / record sound on debian |
| 06:45.34 | lindi- | Tanuva: please verify md5sum |
| 06:45.39 | lindi- | Tanuva: of both modules and kernel? |
| 06:45.44 | aggtrfrad | no, i mean i didnt say anything about sound, not that it works :p |
| 06:45.54 | dbmoodb | ah? |
| 06:46.22 | Tanuva | lindi-: FSO is booting so I can check the kernel version, md5sum coming soon |
| 06:46.30 | methril | morning |
| 06:46.55 | lindi- | Tanuva: you could have verified md5sum without booting too :) |
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| 06:48.19 | Tanuva | do I? |
| 06:48.25 | Tanuva | *g* |
| 06:49.19 | Tanuva | lindi-: hmm, it's NOT the same kernel |
| 06:49.50 | Tanuva | but the debian one is the fsom2 kernel that gets installed by default, so it *should* work, shouldn't it? |
| 06:50.44 | rooly | sighs |
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| 06:52.04 | lindi- | Tanuva: which one is it? |
| 06:52.15 | lindi- | Tanuva: is it the one install.sh uses? |
| 06:53.39 | Tanuva | yes |
| 06:53.49 | xt | There's no window manager on debian on freerunner? |
| 06:55.04 | zash | xt: install one |
| 06:55.13 | xt | which one would you reccommend |
| 06:55.15 | lindi- | xt: there is, matchbox-window-manager in ps axuf |
| 06:55.19 | lindi- | xt: by default |
| 06:55.23 | admiral0 | xt:XFCE |
| 06:55.45 | xt | lindi-: I see. But how does it work ? (: |
| 06:55.55 | xt | can I get illume for debian? |
| 06:56.21 | lindi- | xt: i am trying to build it, see mailing list |
| 06:56.30 | xt | ok, thanks |
| 06:56.56 | lindi- | xt: help me get it to work on x86 first :P |
| 06:57.20 | xt | supposedly - im at work |
| 06:57.37 | xt | it's hard to resist playing with the freerunner though |
| 06:59.01 | Tanuva | got to leave for school in 30min :/ |
| 06:59.08 | lindi- | i have AVR problem at work right now: http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=480134#480134 |
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| 07:05.07 | Zorkman | Tanuva: ut don't you guys in germany only have to go to school until noon? |
| 07:05.15 | Zorkman | s/ut/but |
| 07:05.30 | swc|666 | yeah then its beer time after :D |
| 07:05.57 | swc|666 | schule - 8-12 12+ bierzeit :p |
| 07:06.33 | Tanuva | Zorkman: normally 8am to ~3pm, depends - but today it's the first day after the summer break :) |
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| 07:07.26 | Zorkman | well, I have an exam tomorrow, so praise yourself lucky :p |
| 07:07.32 | Tanuva | hehe |
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| 07:08.04 | Tanuva | the really big exams are to come before eastern |
| 07:08.13 | Tanuva | but then I'm finally done with school |
| 07:09.26 | aggtrfrad | gta05 should have this onboard :p http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/?cpg=ab |
| 07:09.32 | Zorkman | what are you studying? |
| 07:10.39 | Zorkman | aggtrfrad: you can already use it with the FR, it connects through bt |
| 07:11.01 | Sargun | aggtrfrad, I've used them before, they suck ass. |
| 07:11.03 | Tanuva | this year still the normal school things, after that I'm going to study computer science at some university, but don't know where exactly yet |
| 07:11.23 | Zorkman | batterylife is only 2hours... |
| 07:11.39 | aggtrfrad | i know its cool :) but can u imagin it be implemented onboard, and just put ur freerunner on the desk and type? :p |
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| 07:12.28 | ieatlint | aggtrfrad, it'd actually be damned annoying |
| 07:12.38 | ieatlint | it'd need a decent sized flat base to stably stand |
| 07:12.55 | ieatlint | and then the screen would be at a 90 degree angle to the table, right in front of your fingers |
| 07:12.59 | admiral0 | and it should also fit inside the phone... |
| 07:13.18 | ieatlint | difficult to see at that angle, and with your fingers potentially in the way |
| 07:13.23 | aggtrfrad | nah gta05 should be able to float into thn air by invering gravity to 0 ^^ |
| 07:13.29 | aggtrfrad | thin* |
| 07:13.37 | admiral0 | lol |
| 07:13.49 | aggtrfrad | (btw im just kiding about the keyboard....) |
| 07:13.50 | ieatlint | it should have a gyro :P |
| 07:14.00 | ieatlint | and a compass... |
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| 07:14.19 | ieatlint | and maybe, if there's actually any interest, a stylus holder in the case ... but then, no one seems to actually want that |
| 07:14.37 | Zorkman | ieatlint: I'm with you |
| 07:14.57 | Zorkman | I'd also like a direct link to the our nervesystem |
| 07:15.29 | ieatlint | and a tazer |
| 07:15.46 | ieatlint | so that you can "defend" yourself, and accidentally activate in while talking on the phone |
| 07:16.25 | admiral0 | that would electrify your calls ;) |
| 07:16.37 | ieatlint | and maybe a bottle opener, and/or cheese slicer |
| 07:17.04 | Zorkman | but don't use the taser too much or you won't have any power left for the lightsabre |
| 07:17.07 | admiral0 | what about a swiss army knife integrated? |
| 07:17.18 | ieatlint | damnit, now i want some cheese... stupid cheese-slicer-less freerunner |
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| 07:17.34 | Zorkman | lightsabre could cut cheese :) |
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| 07:18.44 | TeXitoi | hi, there is a modified matchbox keyboard on scap.linuxtogo.org, do you know where I can find it? |
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| 07:20.09 | Zorkman | which one TeXitoi? |
| 07:20.22 | Zorkman | for 2007.2 or 2008.8 |
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| 07:20.40 | TeXitoi | Zorkman: matchbox, for 2007.2 |
| 07:20.47 | TeXitoi | not illumine one |
| 07:21.06 | TeXitoi | it is just with bigger keys |
| 07:21.18 | Zorkman | TeXitoi:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards_on_OM_2007.2#Matchbox_keyboard |
| 07:22.41 | TeXitoi | no, I have this one |
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| 07:22.49 | TeXitoi | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/3526056717b24042dd261d5424fc6ef6.png |
| 07:22.56 | TeXitoi | the one on this screenshot |
| 07:24.13 | Zorkman | I think I once read something abouut someone doing that on the ML... don't remember who |
| 07:25.27 | TeXitoi | on th ML, ok, thank, I'll search |
| 07:25.33 | ieatlint | that could be raster's image |
| 07:25.47 | ieatlint | i seem to recall hearing it having a special keyboard |
| 07:25.56 | Zorkman | no, r asters image is 2008.08.xx based |
| 07:26.00 | ieatlint | but then, i hear things... special things |
| 07:27.39 | TeXitoi | http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/ |
| 07:28.29 | Zorkman | is that the better one? |
| 07:28.39 | Zorkman | are there keys that have been, removed? |
| 07:28.53 | Hopscotc1 | good morning |
| 07:29.01 | Zorkman | gm |
| 07:29.04 | TeXitoi | there are someones |
| 07:29.17 | TeXitoi | like some arrow keys, I think |
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| 07:48.15 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r4601 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/ (10 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 07:48.15 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Committing changes that have piled up. The things under lib/ are ugly, |
| 07:48.15 | CIA-47 | openmoko: incomplete, and buggy. Don't try to use them yet. |
| 07:48.15 | CIA-47 | openmoko: - usbtmc.c: improper handling of the "vendor=" option |
| 07:48.15 | CIA-47 | openmoko: - telnet.c: added option "nl" to suppress warning on extra newline (note that |
| 07:48.19 | CIA-47 | openmoko: this makes parameter parsing ambiguous - to be fixed later) |
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| 07:48.21 | CIA-47 | openmoko: - lib/: added a number of Python scripts to implement properly abstracted |
| 07:48.23 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r93e75b66097a 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/parser.py: [oeventsd] Some typo in the parser functions (thanks to Julien Cassignol) |
| 07:48.26 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r3d975876cf5b 10/ (17 files in 10 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git@git.freesmartphone.org/framework |
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| 08:03.34 | RigacciOrg | Hello, first time for me on this chat! |
| 08:04.01 | Sargun | hi. |
| 08:04.06 | RigacciOrg | Anybody expert in themes? |
| 08:04.24 | RigacciOrg | I'm wondering why everyone has a theme like that: |
| 08:04.33 | RigacciOrg | http://www.newspeak.org.uk/img/openmoko.png |
| 08:04.55 | RigacciOrg | While I get ugly buttons like that: |
| 08:05.02 | RigacciOrg | http://yisheng.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/screenshot-qemu-1.png |
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| 08:05.30 | RigacciOrg | I'm using 2007.2. |
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| 08:20.20 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * re355a3ec8fa1 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: [openmoko] Change the default feed uri |
| 08:20.35 | hossi | what does that boot doing? |
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| 08:47.07 | Kev_ | Hi I've got a few problems with debian on the freerunner, anyone tried that out? |
| 08:47.54 | xt | ye |
| 08:48.02 | lindi- | Kev_: yes |
| 08:48.17 | Kev_ | I don't want to use fso, so I deinstalled that, then I installed xorg and xfce |
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| 08:48.34 | lindi- | Kev_: how do you intend to make calls without fso? |
| 08:48.58 | Kev_ | I can't make calls because my sim-card does not work... so it doesn't matter :) |
| 08:49.05 | Kev_ | (Bug 666) |
| 08:52.35 | Kev_ | the problem is now, that I have an config dialog on the freerunner, but no keyboard or anything else to select yes or no :) |
| 08:52.47 | xt | Kev_: try the aux button |
| 08:53.05 | Kev_ | has no function :( |
| 08:53.24 | xt | it does on default debian :/ |
| 08:54.01 | Kev_ | yes but maybe only on fso or any fso-dependency |
| 08:54.43 | Kev_ | but I don't want to have fso, I wan't something like this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/3/30/Debian.png |
| 08:55.27 | xt | Kev_: try running matchbox-keyboard |
| 08:55.49 | xt | Kev_: try running matchbox-keyboard-toggle, actually |
| 08:55.53 | xt | that enables the AUX here |
| 08:56.29 | lindi- | Kev_: zhone-session starts matchbox-keyboard-toggle |
| 08:56.43 | lindi- | Kev_: which listens for dbus for AUX |
| 08:56.52 | Zorkman | this would make a fun gps-app: http://xkcd.com/407/ |
| 08:56.57 | Kev_ | ok, I install matchbox-keyboard now |
| 08:57.10 | xt | Zorkman: it actually exists |
| 08:57.17 | Zorkman | on the FR? |
| 08:57.29 | xt | nah - but xkcd wrote a gps python program |
| 08:57.35 | xt | should be easily runnable on FR |
| 08:57.45 | xt | Zorkman: see http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/05/20/gps-cyborg-implant/ |
| 08:58.27 | Zorkman | oh yeah now i remember, had heard about it |
| 08:58.41 | Zorkman | but i actually want it to say only hot or cold, guess it would be easily adapted |
| 08:58.53 | xt | ye |
| 09:00.00 | Kev_ | lindi-: in which package is matchbox-keyboard-toggle? it isn't included in matchbox-keyboard |
| 09:00.39 | Zorkman | (thanks xt) |
| 09:02.11 | xt | Kev_: zhone-session: |
| 09:02.25 | xt | how do you get 'gpspipe' functionality on fso ? |
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| 09:23.17 | dbmoodb | xt: ah gpspipe ? good guestion ... check the packages ?.... might be a gpsd-util ? or something similar |
| 09:23.50 | xt | nah, fso uses gypsy |
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| 09:23.56 | xt | but I just killed it and installed gpsd |
| 09:24.07 | ieatlint | do you think they realise that gypsy is a racial slur? |
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| 09:26.37 | Kev_ | thanks, xfce is now running :) |
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| 09:46.46 | Rupert_ | Been away and catching up on a sea of email but has anybody heard mention of a bug which kills the FR OM2008.08 on booting. As soon as the phone gets to starting X it seems to die. There is mention of a bug on the OM_2008.08 wiki page about it sleeping if not touched during boot but I have touched it. Any help appreciated. |
| 09:47.29 | XorA | if you boot is slow, FR suspends before finished booting |
| 09:47.38 | XorA | just push the power button and it should awak |
| 09:47.40 | XorA | e |
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| 09:51.41 | Rupert_ | XorA: pushing the power button does nothing at all once it's deaded |
| 09:58.50 | Weiss | press some things during bootup to keep it awake maybe? |
| 09:59.03 | Weiss | if it works like i think it does.. |
| 10:00.59 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r2515e9ddf7f1 10/conf/example/frameworkd.conf: [Conf file] corrected a typo |
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| 10:05.43 | Rupert_ | Nope now it's simply refusing to boot. I'll go back to ASU |
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| 10:13.11 | ieatlint | is anyone here a sed/awk guru? |
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| 10:21.05 | beni_ | ieatlint: whats up? |
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| 10:27.50 | Rupert_ | Hello again. I found the source of my problem. I've got the FR plugged into USB on computer but even so the phone is dying even in the NOR Boot Menu. Swapped out the battery and now seems fine. Put the battery into my Nokia which uses a BL-5C and the Nokia won't boot. Something wrong with the battery. |
| 10:30.30 | dns53 | your nokia battery or your neo battery |
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| 10:31.56 | ieatlint | beni_, i need a simplistic script to patch configure scripts for a cross compiler |
| 10:32.14 | ieatlint | needs to match a string and then change the line directly above the matched string |
| 10:33.05 | Tauop | change or insert ? |
| 10:33.16 | ieatlint | change |
| 10:34.23 | ieatlint | basically there's a line that says "if cross compiling:" and then gives about 4 error messages saying "cannot run test program while cross compiling" and exits ... if you simply modify the line to ensure the test is false, it continues without issue |
| 10:34.56 | ieatlint | lots of configure scripts do it, due to an outdated autoconf having been used to generate them... but alas, autoreconf seemingly does nothing, even though it supposedly will update such scripts |
| 10:35.30 | Rupert_ | My Nokia battery is working but the Neo one won't power anything even though it is fully charged |
| 10:35.36 | ieatlint | (i would just search for the test and modify it easily with sed, but the test is used for other things which are important) |
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| 10:48.40 | kekkoboom | ciao |
| 10:48.42 | kekkoboom | !list |
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| 11:48.49 | Tanuva | lindi-: did sound work for you out of the box under debian? If so, I'll just reinstall it and see then... |
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| 11:53.44 | wyze | Tanuva: where was that link u sent me on sound last night? |
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| 11:57.23 | Tanuva | swc|666: hmm... I sent you a link on sound... concerning sound on debian? |
| 11:57.31 | Tanuva | *looking through his ff-tabs* |
| 11:57.47 | swc|666 | yea, u said it didnt work for u and gave me a link that u said u were using |
| 11:57.54 | swc|666 | using/trying |
| 11:58.11 | Tanuva | ah, I remember, give me a minute... |
| 11:58.59 | Tanuva | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian |
| 11:59.29 | swc|666 | nono |
| 11:59.51 | swc|666 | there was a link u gave me that gave directions for sound, specificaly |
| 12:00.06 | swc|666 | there was a link there to a tar.gz with some package i think(?) |
| 12:00.27 | swc|666 | ahh |
| 12:00.33 | swc|666 | i see it at the bottom... nm |
| 12:01.19 | Tanuva | yes, that's on that page |
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| 12:06.55 | swc|666 | Tanuva: what does it say when u try.. no sound card found? |
| 12:09.12 | Tanuva | swc|666: no. the card is there, I tried many configs on alsamixer, mplayer seems to be accessing alsa, but there's no sound coming out of the neo. |
| 12:09.29 | Tanuva | but something strange I noticed: |
| 12:09.34 | swc|666 | 0.o |
| 12:10.22 | Tanuva | the statefiles advertised on that site are configured for an other soundchip's name, the "gta02" is missing - if I change them accordingly, alsactl can set the state, but there seem to be settings for too many mixer options stored in them... (confusing? :D) |
| 12:10.57 | swc|666 | i c |
| 12:11.06 | Tanuva | alsactl complains about no mixer setting for option #80 - 90 or so |
| 12:11.18 | swc|666 | hmmm |
| 12:11.37 | XorA | that would be because that page is clearly a gta01 |
| 12:11.51 | swc|666 | heh.. alsaconf just wipred out my modules and didnt reload them :s |
| 12:12.01 | swc|666 | wiped* |
| 12:12.32 | Tanuva | XorA: interesting... |
| 12:13.04 | XorA | pull the statefiles from OM svn |
| 12:14.33 | swc|666 | XorA: do you have any information on a better firmware for the AR6K wlan? |
| 12:14.48 | dns53 | does the 2008.8 work as a phone or is it just me? |
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| 12:15.16 | XorA | swc|666: nope, I dont even know if we can give out the flashing instructions |
| 12:15.25 | KenYoung | dns53, It works pretty well, but not perfectly, as a phone. |
| 12:15.51 | dns53 | i think some of the updates have broken things for me |
| 12:16.03 | KenYoung | dns53, At least for me, using T-mobile. |
| 12:16.05 | swc|666 | XorA: :/ ...i would think a project of this size would give openmoko the leverage with atheros somewhat |
| 12:16.34 | XorA | swc|666: OM is small fry for atheros :-( |
| 12:16.46 | swc|666 | yea |
| 12:16.49 | swc|666 | :s |
| 12:17.42 | swc|666 | XorA: out of blind curiosity, can the card be replaced with another similar? |
| 12:17.43 | Tanuva | XorA: could you point me at the location of the statefiles in the svn repo? |
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| 12:18.10 | XorA | swc|666: no idea |
| 12:18.10 | KenSentMe | dns53, there are some problems with calling out, people can receive calls, but can't make them |
| 12:18.35 | XorA | trunk/src/target/audio/ |
| 12:18.46 | swc|666 | http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/ |
| 12:18.48 | Tanuva | XorA: thanks :) |
| 12:19.17 | swc|666 | Tanuva: just do svn co http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/ alsa_gta02 |
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| 12:19.56 | Tanuva | swc|666: just did :) |
| 12:21.17 | swc|666 | bedtime |
| 12:21.32 | swc|666 | cat me > bed |
| 12:21.34 | Tanuva | 2:21pm here :D |
| 12:21.46 | swc|666 | 521a here :p |
| 12:21.50 | swc|666 | cyas |
| 12:21.51 | Tanuva | :O |
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| 12:25.47 | Tanuva | YAY! |
| 12:26.02 | Tanuva | XorA: thanksmanytimesgenious now I'm getting sound under debian :D |
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| 12:27.25 | hossi | meda player won't start playing the music, anyone with the same problem? |
| 12:29.06 | dns53 | you have the gstreamer codecs? |
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| 12:33.40 | dbmoodb | Tanuva: how ? |
| 12:33.46 | dbmoodb | Tanuva: want to share :) |
| 12:34.10 | Tanuva | using the right alsa.state files from the om svn, scroll up a few lines, swo pointed out the checkout command |
| 12:34.24 | Tanuva | maybe I should add that to the debian page |
| 12:34.33 | dbmoodb | ok |
| 12:34.37 | dbmoodb | Tanuva: will do :) |
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| 12:34.51 | dbmoodb | do you havea working mic ? |
| 12:34.55 | dbmoodb | ... i don't have that |
| 12:35.12 | Tanuva | don't know, I just did one call with the neo in appr. 2 months :D |
| 12:35.14 | dbmoodb | go arecord... and test it with that... |
| 12:35.21 | Tanuva | ah, okay, gimme a moment... :) |
| 12:35.25 | dbmoodb | Tanuva: ? ok |
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| 12:38.08 | hossi | dns53, dunno, how do I check that? |
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| 12:39.00 | dns53 | opkg list|grep gst- and install everyhing and see if it helps |
| 12:40.54 | dbmoodb | Tanuva: any feedback ? |
| 12:41.05 | hossi | dns53, http://4a82f5ee0c6ba9fd.paste.se/ it is very much |
| 12:41.12 | Tanuva | dbmoodb: arecord -D hw:0,1 -t wav -f s16_le rec.wav seems to record for 2 or 3 seconds and then segfaults - aplay is unable to play the file |
| 12:41.27 | dbmoodb | really ? |
| 12:41.49 | Tanuva | dunno if it really records, but it opens the file and "does" something for this period |
| 12:41.53 | Tanuva | but really, yes |
| 12:41.53 | dbmoodb | mm perhaps its an audio option ... |
| 12:42.22 | dbmoodb | mmm intersting |
| 12:42.31 | Tanuva | maybe I try capturehandset.state for recording instead of stereoout.state |
| 12:42.36 | hossi | dns53, are there any easy command for installing everything? |
| 12:42.46 | dns53 | hossi well gst-plugin-good and gst-plugin-ugly should install most of the |
| 12:42.47 | dbmoodb | where was a voiphandset.. option... |
| 12:43.05 | Tanuva | that was in the neo1973 statefiles |
| 12:43.10 | Tanuva | (which don't work for me) |
| 12:43.42 | Tanuva | ah, did you mean you will add the statefiles thingy to the wiki or did you just agree? :D |
| 12:43.54 | Tanuva | 14:34:37 <dbmoodb> Tanuva: will do :) |
| 12:44.17 | Tanuva | just want to save us from doing the same twice |
| 12:44.31 | dbmoodb | ah what ? |
| 12:44.45 | dbmoodb | ah.... i have another version of the files up atm... from fso... |
| 12:44.55 | Tanuva | okay, then I'll do that :D |
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| 12:45.14 | dbmoodb | check the page... i posted it under discussion... don't remember who but... some one gave them to me / pointme me to them |
| 12:45.27 | hossi | dns53, think I have some problems http://2ac7bd59d365fce4.paste.se/ |
| 12:45.44 | Tanuva | ah |
| 12:46.18 | dns53 | hossi ping google, opkg update |
| 12:46.44 | Tanuva | arrrgh, with capturehandset.state arecord complains about a broken pcm configuration for "this" device and then hangs, can't even kill -9 it >.< |
| 12:46.45 | dbmoodb | Tanuva: update the wiki anyway with you ones / add them.. i gues |
| 12:46.48 | dbmoodb | s* |
| 12:46.50 | Tanuva | okay |
| 12:47.01 | dbmoodb | ..... sucks i wanted to voip already rofl |
| 12:47.31 | Tanuva | hm... just curiosity: is there a sip->skype gateway of some form available? |
| 12:48.23 | dbmoodb | Tanuva: ah.. probably via asterisk |
| 12:48.33 | dbmoodb | ... there is fring.... but that's not for the freerunner.. |
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| 12:48.54 | Tanuva | and if I'm unlucky, one would have to recode the voicestream |
| 12:49.11 | Tanuva | (dunno if "unlucky" fits in here...) |
| 12:49.26 | dbmoodb | Tanuva: probably not |
| 12:50.42 | hossi | dns53, http://44e8e4f55c0ac0bc.paste.se/ |
| 12:50.46 | dbmoodb | um why has openmoko.com remove the option / info on 2007.2 release ?.... |
| 12:51.03 | dbmoodb | they have qtopia... but no 2007.2 |
| 12:52.05 | dns53 | hossi oh it's plugins not plugin |
| 12:52.43 | Tanuva | dbmoodb: ah, about sound: I thought about the "Debian" page, not "Manual Debian" |
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| 12:53.28 | hossi | dns53, it say that my plugins are up to date |
| 12:53.35 | dbmoodb | ah Tanuva yeah i put my sound thing on the discussion page of it .. didn't sign it probably should have |
| 12:54.08 | hossi | dns53, I press the play button in media player, and nothing happens |
| 12:54.27 | dns53 | do you have a playlist with songs? |
| 12:54.33 | hossi | yes |
| 12:54.37 | Tanuva | dbmoodb: hmm... I'm going to add my "Sound" part to the discussion for reviewing since I don't want to leave grammar mistakes on the wiki and my English isn't perfect :D |
| 12:54.41 | hossi | i could play music yesterday |
| 12:55.46 | dns53 | did you update anything in your system? |
| 12:56.13 | hossi | no |
| 12:56.34 | hossi | may it work if I reinsatll media player? |
| 12:57.01 | dns53 | restart your device as well |
| 12:57.18 | hossi | after uninstalling? |
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| 12:58.34 | dns53 | now, incase pulse audio or alsa is messed up |
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| 12:59.33 | Tanuva | dbmoodb: I have added my comment, could you review my language? :D |
| 12:59.48 | dbmoodb | ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory |
| 12:59.51 | dbmoodb | Cannot open sequencer - No such file or directory |
| 13:00.00 | dbmoodb | that's from arecordmidi.... perhaps that is of some help ? |
| 13:00.24 | Tanuva | midi needs a midi sequencer, that's no standard pcm sound |
| 13:00.31 | Tanuva | and a synthie on the other and |
| 13:00.40 | Tanuva | s/and/end/ |
| 13:00.44 | Tanuva | argh >.< |
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| 13:01.15 | dbmoodb | fair enough |
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| 13:06.08 | hossi | dns53, have uninstalled media player via the installer |
| 13:06.30 | hossi | is it an idea to reinstall the plugins? |
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| 13:09.28 | dbmoodb | ah i just relised snd_pcm_oss --- so.. don't we need alsa to have support for oss ... |
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| 13:10.34 | Tanuva | doesn't have oss at all |
| 13:10.51 | dbmoodb | ah? |
| 13:11.11 | Tanuva | works fine with just alsa |
| 13:13.56 | dbmoodb | so .. why no recording then |
| 13:14.58 | hossi | dns53, after reinstalling and reboot it worked |
| 13:15.14 | dns53 | good to hear |
| 13:15.15 | Tanuva | don't ask me... maybe I'm just using arecord the wrong way :D |
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| 13:15.43 | dbmoodb | i don't think so.... |
| 13:15.54 | hossi | and remving the playlist file |
| 13:16.34 | hossi | do you know a gui-application to change the volume? |
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| 13:17.17 | dns53 | no idea |
| 13:17.46 | dbmoodb | amix ? ... |
| 13:17.53 | dbmoodb | ah sorry amixgui .. or something |
| 13:18.16 | dbmoodb | alsamixergui |
| 13:19.37 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke * r9971aa8a69e3 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/ (vendor_ficgta01.cpp vendor_ficgta01_p.h): [ficgta01] Fix the No registration bug (#1766) |
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| 13:21.58 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster * r4602 10/developers/raster/ompower/power.c: lean code down a bit and just in case handle 0 brightness reads. |
| 13:21.59 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r3e5b49ea5edc 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to see if #1766 (No Network) is fixed |
| 13:22.31 | hossi | dbmoodb, does it work on neo? |
| 13:25.04 | Tanuva | hossi: it's in the armel repository in case you're using debian |
| 13:25.09 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rc2f5aff5b6fd 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to see if #1766 (No Network) is fixed |
| 13:25.24 | dbmoodb | hossi: what ? |
| 13:25.36 | dbmoodb | the gui ? |
| 13:25.57 | hossi | aha alsamixergui, just saw amixgui.. |
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| 13:26.52 | Tanuva | tries another time building e17 |
| 13:27.02 | Tanuva | (argh, damn grammar...) |
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| 13:33.19 | enrico | Has anyone managed to enable proper suspend on a pure qtopia setup? |
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| 13:48.39 | hossi | can I install .deb in om2008? |
| 13:48.56 | hossi | or is only in debian I have tha luxary? |
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| 13:49.17 | Xaos | I believe you need the .ipk files not .debs |
| 13:49.21 | dbmoodb | hossi: if i could install .deb's in om2008 i would really think i was flying :) |
| 13:49.31 | Xaos | they are very similar things, but not the same |
| 13:50.43 | hossi | is it possible to remake .deb to something compatible? |
| 13:51.04 | dns53 | what package do you want to convert? |
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| 13:51.28 | hossi | dns53, http://download.bittorrent.com/dl/bittorrent_5.2.0_python2.4.deb :) |
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| 13:52.11 | dns53 | you know you are using flash memory and the writes will kill your memory |
| 13:52.40 | dns53 | it is a python program, extract the .deb as if it was a zip file and copy the python files to your neo |
| 13:52.48 | dbmoodb | hossi: don't you want rtorrent ? |
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| 13:54.00 | hossi | dbmoodb, I want it if it workes on my neo :) |
| 13:54.01 | mmaestri | hossi: being that armel deb is architecture compatible with armv4t, it might be possible |
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| 13:54.52 | mmaestri | the only problem would be that an ipk-deb converted package might break some things on your system |
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| 13:56.16 | lindi- | mmaestri: and it'll be even more challenging to add debugging symbols when it breaks |
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| 13:57.52 | mmaestri | lindi-: right. i guess that if the package has little or no deps to other packages, and it doesn't overwrite any existing file, it should work |
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| 14:06.03 | hossi | dbmoodb, have you tried it out? |
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| 14:06.50 | artur_ | hello |
| 14:07.15 | hossi | hey |
| 14:08.03 | artur_ | i can't see the application manager in the UI of OM2007.2 |
| 14:08.47 | hossi | artur_, install om2008 :) |
| 14:08.51 | mmaestri | rwhitby: hi |
| 14:08.59 | mmaestri | are you there? |
| 14:09.59 | artur_ | hossi: well this is the hard way to make it work. any other idea ? |
| 14:10.23 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r52cdc7a9a13b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: cleanups to ompower. |
| 14:10.23 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r690891722233 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 14:10.52 | mmaestri | i'm on fso-unstable from shr.bearstech.com - mount doesn't recognize ext2 as a valid filesystem type. any ideas? |
| 14:11.05 | dbmoodb | fair enough |
| 14:12.23 | hossi | artur_, actually no, i'm a n00b to this phone. The they after I got the freerunner I flashed it with 2008. |
| 14:12.35 | hossi | *day |
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| 14:17.16 | admiral0 | hi.. would you tell me how to change the ringtone on the freerunner 2007.02? |
| 14:20.13 | Tanuva | lindi-: my build failure seems to come from eet installing itself to /usr/local |
| 14:20.57 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rca9ed2fbca52 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:20.57 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: odevice: input: fix type of 'seconds' parameter in org.freesmartphone.Device.Input.Event. Thanks Sebastian for |
| 14:20.57 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: spotting. |
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| 14:21.33 | PBeck | hallo |
| 14:21.51 | hossi | PBeck, hey |
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| 14:25.39 | PBeck | hi hossi |
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| 14:32.10 | mmaestri | mount doesn't recognize ext2 as a valid filesystem type... |
| 14:32.58 | mwester | mmaestri: is ext2 listed in /proc/filesystems ? |
| 14:33.49 | mmaestri | no, but ext3 is |
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| 14:34.25 | mwester | Ok, that would be the kernel defconfig then -- do you need ext2 for booting from SD card? |
| 14:34.48 | mmaestri | i need ext2 to access the card |
| 14:35.14 | mwester | Right, but if you're not booting frm the ext2 partition on the card, then you can just opkg install kerne-module-ext2 |
| 14:35.28 | mwester | er, kernel-module-ext2 even. |
| 14:35.41 | hossi | i get permission denied when I'm to trya ./configure |
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| 14:36.57 | mmaestri | mwester: the thing is, i cannot do a opkg install right now, being on a windows machine over a proxy |
| 14:37.41 | mwester | download the .ipk with a web browser, scp it to the freerunner, and opkg install ./kernel-module-blahblah.ipk |
| 14:37.46 | mmaestri | and i was looking through the files on shr.bearstech.com - kernel-module-ext2 isn't there |
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| 14:37.57 | lindi- | Tanuva: should be easy to pass --prefix? |
| 14:40.30 | mmaestri | mwester: that's why i was looking for rwhitby |
| 14:40.45 | Tanuva | lindi-: I simply removed the packages, now using the e-nvironment completely from svn |
| 14:41.06 | Tanuva | just need to recompile evas since it didn't get EET loading support (says e17) |
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| 14:42.24 | hossi | what's the name of the package one must install du compile standardprogram in OM? |
| 14:43.14 | mmaestri | and in oe there's no kernel-module-ext2 for v2.6.24 / gta02 |
| 14:44.14 | Tanuva | uuuuh, e17 is stylish... |
| 14:45.38 | raster | u havent tried the new theme yet |
| 14:45.39 | raster | :) |
| 14:46.05 | Tanuva | that I can fetch from where? *fg* |
| 14:46.14 | mmaestri | mwester: i think i'm not doing anything wrong about it, it's just that the package isn't there |
| 14:46.27 | mmaestri | raster: any screenshot? |
| 14:46.55 | Tanuva | raster: btw, the ssl certificate on the e-svn server has expired... |
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| 14:47.38 | spydon | how do I update qtopia without breaking it? :p |
| 14:47.52 | mmaestri | mwester: if I take the gta01 kernel-module-ext2 from oe, should it work with gta02? |
| 14:48.06 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/mydesk-01.png |
| 14:48.19 | raster | icons in menu are not done |
| 14:48.22 | raster | old icons still |
| 14:48.27 | raster | its being worked on |
| 14:48.39 | raster | thats the new theme - its in svn in themes/ |
| 14:48.41 | raster | b_and_w |
| 14:48.55 | raster | Tanuva: it hasnt expired. |
| 14:48.56 | hossi | I get "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH", but I have installed gcc and g++ |
| 14:49.13 | Tanuva | raster: svn tells me it has |
| 14:49.18 | raster | Tanuva: we just have never paid a large sum to an agency to have it validated |
| 14:49.25 | Tanuva | hmm |
| 14:49.28 | Tanuva | but the date on it... |
| 14:50.39 | Tanuva | raster: hey.. looks... smooth. milky. want!!! *g* |
| 14:50.49 | raster | Tanuva: ooh damn. it did... expired 11th of aug |
| 14:50.52 | raster | crap |
| 14:51.54 | mmaestri | mwester: ok, i've got it |
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| 14:53.40 | lindi- | raster: hi, any idea how tighly tied illume keyboard is to enlightenment? ;) |
| 14:54.04 | Tanuva | hmm... kopete's tray icon doesn't work with e :) |
| 14:55.44 | raster | lindi-: entirely |
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| 14:56.55 | lindi- | raster: right :( |
| 14:57.41 | lindi- | raster: i am still trying to get it to start even on x86. would you have time to debug it now (i can give read-only vnc access)? |
| 14:57.46 | raster | keyboard is part of illume. illume is a plugin (moudle) for e |
| 14:58.00 | raster | right now.. no |
| 14:58.02 | raster | its almost 1am |
| 14:58.02 | lindi- | ok |
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| 15:01.29 | raster | oh fucking certificate |
| 15:01.40 | raster | show do i SIMPLY just extend its life |
| 15:02.18 | Tanuva | just this simple blending to the new background image deserves an award. it's so... smoooooth |
| 15:03.07 | raster | ahahah |
| 15:03.13 | raster | and thats just software rendering |
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| 15:05.05 | Zorkman | MichaelShiloh, raster; sorry to bother you guys, but do you have an estimate if the "buzzing sound" will ever be fixed? or should i not hope for it |
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| 15:05.27 | raster | Zorkman: absolutely no idea. not sure if it ever will be or not. |
| 15:05.28 | Zorkman | I should probably better ask that question to DocScrutinizer |
| 15:05.37 | Zorkman | thanks for the answer raster |
| 15:05.37 | raster | (ie its a software-fixable issue or not) |
| 15:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | someone called my name? ;-) |
| 15:06.05 | raster | as best i think i know its definitely hardware - but if there is an adequate software fix - is unknown |
| 15:06.06 | Zorkman | I did :) |
| 15:06.10 | raster | but i dont follow that much |
| 15:06.29 | Zorkman | I was just wondering if I should keep hoping for a sw-fix for the buzzing sound that the person I call hears |
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| 15:06.55 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: no way ;.( |
| 15:07.09 | Zorkman | and don't take this the wrong way, becasue I really appreciate all the effort you guys are putting into this, how could this not be detected during testing? |
| 15:07.58 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: because it is not that easy to reproduce at all. I never achieved to reproduce here at my lab :-/ |
| 15:08.00 | Zorkman | I mean...the buzzing is annoying anough for people not wanting to call me on the FR, so I don't quite understand how it didn't show up under testing (probabaly a very good reason like with the GPS, but I haven't heard the reason yet) |
| 15:08.13 | Zorkman | ah, ok.. |
| 15:08.33 | Zorkman | in a few weeks I hope to do some testing with calling on different locations to different phones/networks |
| 15:08.38 | SpeedEvil | At least some of the GSM noise appears to be in hardware. See <000d01c8fc98dd03b60@STEVELAPTOP> on the hardware mailing list. The RF from the GSM modem is leaking into the audio path. No fix as yet has been worked out, engineers are working on this issue ATM. It's possible there may be a solution with copper-tape or similar. |
| 15:08.53 | DocScrutinizer | for very strange reasn not yet understood, it even isn't possible to reproduce with test equipment |
| 15:08.57 | SpeedEvil | It's plausible that they again checked close to a tower. |
| 15:08.58 | SpeedEvil | At low power. |
| 15:09.04 | SpeedEvil | so it will not have caused it. |
| 15:09.16 | SpeedEvil | It may only be significant when you're a few Km from a tower. |
| 15:09.25 | SpeedEvil | Causing the chipset to ramp up transmit power. |
| 15:09.34 | SpeedEvil | And it may only happen on one waveband. |
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| 15:10.08 | Zorkman | DocScrutinizer: just to be sure, are there differences between A5/A6 that could influence the interference? (I thought not, but I don't know everything :)) |
| 15:10.18 | transylvania | hello all |
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| 15:10.49 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: actually we found some small differences. We don't understand where they come from though :-/ |
| 15:10.51 | transylvania | I received my neo freerunner and I managed to make a big mess in my uboot env |
| 15:10.54 | Zorkman | DocScrutinizer: Are people still investigating this error/sollution, or is it on hold (because not being able to reproduce?) |
| 15:11.04 | Zorkman | transylvania: no problem, just reflash uboot |
| 15:11.05 | transylvania | how can I retrieve a proper one ? |
| 15:11.15 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: I'm sitting here doing nothing else whole the day |
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| 15:11.25 | transylvania | Zorkman: ok but with wich one ? |
| 15:11.32 | Zorkman | transylvania/ http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080820/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin |
| 15:11.48 | transylvania | ok tanks I try this |
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| 15:12.03 | Zorkman | DocScrutinizer: thanks :) I hope you know I don't mean to bug you, because I really appreciate the effort you're putting into this |
| 15:12.21 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: np, you're welcome |
| 15:13.14 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: for sure you get rid of noise when desoldering the headset receptacle ;-) |
| 15:13.22 | DocScrutinizer | no kidding! |
| 15:13.25 | rooly | raster |
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| 15:13.53 | Zorkman | lol :) is it hard to desolder? (I have friends with mediocre soldering skills) |
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| 15:14.14 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: probably even disconnectin pin4 of hs-receptacle (=mic) is sufficient |
| 15:14.46 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: it's *very* difficult. Good chances to break the device... :-( |
| 15:14.55 | Zorkman | mmm that looks even more like it, I want the headphones for mp3, but I don't really need the mic at the moment |
| 15:14.59 | Zorkman | damn :( |
| 15:15.04 | transylvania | Zorkman: I just reflash uboot and I have a kernel panic, booting on nor works |
| 15:15.22 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: back to work... bye |
| 15:15.23 | Zorkman | wouldn't connection the mic to ground solve anything? |
| 15:15.32 | Zorkman | like putting in a dummy jack |
| 15:15.39 | Zorkman | ah, ok, np, good luck finding a sollution :) |
| 15:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: yeah, we thought might help. tests didn't proove |
| 15:16.28 | rooly | any devs in here that worked on the om2008.8 exposure/settings app? |
| 15:16.52 | Zorkman | rooly: you could try raster |
| 15:16.57 | rooly | right |
| 15:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | you may try to insert a 2.5mm jack with all contacts shorted, then set audio-profile back to gsmhandset.state. maybe helps a little |
| 15:17.04 | rooly | he's not responding to mah highlight |
| 15:17.20 | Tanuva | thinks about installing e17 on the neo... |
| 15:17.30 | Zorkman | ok, thanks DocScrutinizer, in due time i will try this (when i buy an extra 2.5mm jac) |
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| 15:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: ok. please report on any success! ;-) |
| 15:18.30 | transylvania | Zorkman: aren't uboot-env embedded in uboot image ? |
| 15:19.12 | Zorkman | transylvania: yes, so flashing to a new uboot will give you back a working uboot |
| 15:19.17 | raster | Tanuva: cert fixed |
| 15:19.44 | transylvania | but _after_ flashing, I have a working nor boot but not the nand one (kernel panic) |
| 15:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | hi raster :-) |
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| 15:19.46 | Tanuva | raster: nice :) |
| 15:19.55 | rooly | yo raster |
| 15:20.01 | rooly | mind explaining something to me? |
| 15:20.08 | transylvania | this seems extremly stange to me |
| 15:20.11 | hossi | I run sh ./configure, I have installed gcc and g++ but when I'm about to compile it say that it doesn't find the PATH to the c compiler? |
| 15:20.20 | raster | rooly: yo |
| 15:20.40 | rooly | okay, remember the settings app's wifi and bluetooth code? |
| 15:20.49 | rooly | well, here's a modified excerpt |
| 15:20.50 | rooly | http://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/paste/167 |
| 15:20.51 | raster | Tanuva: asu (2008.08) and fso are using e17 |
| 15:21.01 | raster | DocScrutinizer: yo joooooerg! |
| 15:21.12 | DocScrutinizer | :-) ;-) |
| 15:21.36 | raster | rooly: dude.. quick q. (yes. it's rhetorical). is the app in python (yes/no)? |
| 15:21.38 | raster | :) |
| 15:21.42 | rooly | yup |
| 15:21.57 | rooly | however, here's the problem |
| 15:22.00 | raster | what language do i hate almost as much as java? |
| 15:22.18 | Tanuva | raster: debian here, I would compile it by hand there |
| 15:22.20 | rooly | meh, i saw your name in the exposure todo doc |
| 15:23.21 | rooly | the thing is, with those changes, the app now shows "unknown" for wifi and bluetooth |
| 15:24.20 | raster | rooly: dude. python... not even going there :) |
| 15:24.41 | raster | Tanuva: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Illume |
| 15:25.13 | bipolar | Does the Openmoko software have any ability to sync with Funambol (syncml)? |
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| 15:27.03 | Tanuva | raster: fso is the second part of my dualboot, I really like illume :) |
| 15:27.12 | raster | rooly: seriously - didnt write exposure |
| 15:27.15 | raster | didnt do anything on it. |
| 15:27.19 | raster | i dont do python |
| 15:27.24 | rooly | 's fine by me |
| 15:27.30 | raster | i dont do languages that tell me how i will be indenting my stuff |
| 15:27.31 | raster | :) |
| 15:27.34 | rooly | but your name is still in the top todo |
| 15:27.43 | rooly | that's why i figured you'd know something |
| 15:27.47 | raster | nup |
| 15:27.53 | raster | know nothing |
| 15:27.54 | raster | :) |
| 15:28.00 | rooly | kk |
| 15:28.03 | rooly | i'll try deleting the .pyo |
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| 15:30.32 | super | can it really be true that the mediaserver uses 40% of the CPU, while the pulseaudio uses 11% and the mediaplayer 5%???? I dont have anything left... |
| 15:30.55 | Tanuva | hmm.. can't get emphasis/autogen.sh to find libmpd... |
| 15:31.46 | rooly | wonders how to turn off the wifi's power |
| 15:33.37 | Tanuva | raster: is it possible that there's an error in the illume code currently on svn or went something on my compile process wrong? |
| 15:34.24 | raster | ran whats your current problem? |
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| 15:35.23 | Tanuva | http://rafb.net/p/bYwtKE61.html |
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| 15:38.36 | rooly | raster, where is the wifi on the sysfs? |
| 15:38.46 | raster | ummm |
| 15:38.49 | raster | it kind of isnt |
| 15:38.53 | rooly | right |
| 15:39.00 | rooly | is there any way to power it down fully? |
| 15:39.01 | raster | wifi is done via netlink sockets when u talk to the kernel |
| 15:39.04 | rooly | via cli |
| 15:39.08 | raster | some of it is visible under sysfs |
| 15:39.15 | raster | ifconfig eth0 down |
| 15:39.17 | raster | thats it |
| 15:39.23 | raster | ifconfig + iwconfig +iwlist |
| 15:39.26 | raster | are your tools |
| 15:39.36 | rooly | i can still ping google when i use that cmmand |
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| 15:39.43 | rooly | right, keeping on |
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| 15:41.43 | raster | not much to do there |
| 15:41.51 | raster | the wifi as such is buggy |
| 15:41.56 | raster | also u'll be competing with connmand |
| 15:42.01 | raster | wich is the connectionmanager |
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| 15:42.13 | raster | as it will try keep the device up to scan |
| 15:42.17 | raster | unless it is told to bring it down |
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| 15:44.34 | rooly | sighs |
| 15:44.48 | rooly | iwconfig eth0 power period 10 |
| 15:44.54 | rooly | invalid argument "10" |
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| 15:45.28 | Veggen | hmm: |
| 15:45.29 | Veggen | Downloading http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/armv4t/libcairo2_1.6.4-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 15:45.32 | Veggen | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 15:45.36 | Veggen | is this a known fault? |
| 15:46.00 | Veggen | (and yes, I enabled core dump myself - tho dunno if I can have it analyzed by anything currently...) |
| 15:46.38 | Veggen | (nothing relevant seems to turn up when googling for it) |
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| 15:50.27 | hossi | any idea why my c-compiler won't show up in $PATH? |
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| 15:51.14 | OMZ_Zepher | Goodday. |
| 15:51.16 | rooly | hossi, you opkg install gcc? |
| 15:51.27 | hossi | rooly, yes |
| 15:51.36 | rooly | you also need to opkg install gcc-symlinks |
| 15:52.33 | OMZ_Zepher | just recieved his Freerunner |
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| 15:53.17 | hossi | OMZ_Zepher, congratulation |
| 15:53.24 | OMZ_Zepher | Thank you. |
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| 15:57.18 | OMZ_Zepher | reads wiki and goes giddy with all the possibilities |
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| 15:57.32 | hossi | OMZ_Zepher, there is no end |
| 15:57.34 | OMZ_Zepher | I could make a spelllink chekker |
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| 16:00.51 | dbmoodb | OMZ_Zepher: ? |
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| 16:01.11 | OMZ_Zepher | dbmoodb: It was a bad pun, spelling checker. |
| 16:01.15 | raster | Tanuva: wtf? |
| 16:01.25 | raster | ummm.. |
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| 16:01.34 | raster | looks like you have encoding issues... |
| 16:01.46 | raster | or somethnig else bizarre |
| 16:02.17 | raster | your system headers are different to all the ones i see in OE and debina or ubuntu |
| 16:02.58 | Tanuva | this is debian sid/sidux.. |
| 16:03.07 | raster | strange |
| 16:03.17 | OMZ_Zepher | So is it advised to switch to Om 2008.8? |
| 16:03.25 | hossi | OMZ_Zepher, yes |
| 16:03.26 | dbmoodb | OMZ_Zepher: no |
| 16:03.33 | Tanuva | *g* |
| 16:03.34 | raster | i build on ubuntu - done it on feisty gutsy and hardy |
| 16:03.44 | raster | the OE build servers use debian |
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| 16:03.54 | raster | and many others do and it seesm to build for them |
| 16:04.03 | raster | and oe builds it fine |
| 16:04.08 | raster | something with headers is wrong |
| 16:04.09 | Tanuva | hmm... |
| 16:04.16 | hossi | OMZ_Zepher, for me it was much easier to get things going in 2008? |
| 16:04.18 | raster | like some of your system headers are missing #ifdef X |
| 16:04.20 | raster | #define X |
| 16:04.23 | raster | guarnds |
| 16:04.24 | raster | or more |
| 16:04.27 | raster | #ifndef X |
| 16:04.29 | raster | #define X |
| 16:04.32 | raster | .. |
| 16:04.34 | raster | #endif |
| 16:04.36 | raster | etc. |
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| 16:05.46 | raster | you'll have to trawl your system headers |
| 16:05.46 | raster | like wireless.h |
| 16:05.48 | raster | and everything else #include before that |
| 16:05.51 | raster | to see where they clash |
| 16:05.54 | OMZ_Zepher | hossi: What would be reasons not to do it? |
| 16:06.00 | raster | as more than 1 system header is defining those structs |
| 16:06.10 | raster | ok |
| 16:06.12 | raster | snooz time |
| 16:06.22 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 16:06.24 | Tanuva | n8 |
| 16:06.45 | hossi | OMZ_Zepher, I made a typo, no "?" |
| 16:06.56 | hossi | OMZ_Zepher, install om2008 |
| 16:07.19 | hossi | is alsa has a great gui-package manager |
| 16:07.26 | hossi | *it also |
| 16:08.07 | OMZ_Zepher | hossi: Alright. |
| 16:08.41 | Tanuva | does neo-debian pull packages from unstable by default? |
| 16:08.51 | hossi | rooly, after I installade gcc-symlinks I got " C compiler cannot create executables" when I compile |
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| 16:09.28 | dbmoodb | OMZ_Zepher: install 2008.8 on the sdcard then you can pick |
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| 16:09.43 | dbmoodb | that way if you don't like it you don't have to reflash with 2007.2 |
| 16:09.48 | OMZ_Zepher | dbmoodb: Good point, thanks |
| 16:10.30 | lindi- | Tanuva: read line 398 of install.sh |
| 16:12.28 | OMZ_Zepher | Goody, first flash. *Reads && reads && reads" |
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| 16:15.55 | Tanuva | lindi-: thanks :) |
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| 16:16.12 | rooly | hossi, i install gcc g++ cpp, all the symlinks, and libc6 |
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| 16:27.46 | OMZ_Zepher | Is it a good idea to flash the kernel, root file system and uboot image in the same run? |
| 16:28.12 | OMZ_Zepher | from factory to om2008 |
| 16:28.28 | mjr | well, the kernel and rootfs probably want each other to some extent anyway |
| 16:28.38 | mjr | uboot less so, but why not |
| 16:28.55 | OMZ_Zepher | mjr: Well.. i'm asking you ;) |
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| 16:29.24 | mjr | "yes" |
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| 16:29.44 | OMZ_Zepher | mjr: Thanks anyway. |
| 16:33.36 | OMZ_Zepher | This is fun ^_^ |
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| 16:38.19 | tunys | YAAAYYY!!!! |
| 16:38.37 | tunys | I'm $440 poorer, which means I ordered a FreeRunner! |
| 16:38.48 | OMZ_Zepher | Hurray! |
| 16:38.53 | mickeyl | congrats |
| 16:38.58 | TAsn | tunys, where from? |
| 16:39.01 | tunys | Koolu |
| 16:39.09 | TAsn | tunys, oh, 850? |
| 16:39.12 | OMZ_Zepher | question: is the latest uboot stable? |
| 16:39.14 | tunys | Yepperz |
| 16:39.17 | rooly | anyone devs in here worked on the exposure app? |
| 16:39.20 | TAsn | enjoy :) |
| 16:39.21 | tunys | OMZ_Zepher: that wasn't to you, sorry |
| 16:39.42 | OMZ_Zepher | tunys: Ha? |
| 16:39.49 | tunys | TAsn: I will when I come out of the initial shock of having it delivered to me |
| 16:40.13 | tunys | OMZ_Zepher: I wasn't answering your question, I don't know of the latest uboot is stable |
| 16:40.13 | TAsn | tunys, i wish i were in you position. |
| 16:40.20 | TAsn | i still haven't ordered mine. |
| 16:40.24 | tunys | TAsn: I'm sorry that you're not :( |
| 16:40.30 | OMZ_Zepher | tunys: Ohh yes, I figured as much |
| 16:40.35 | OMZ_Zepher | tunys: I just got mine today |
| 16:40.46 | TAsn | still waiting for a 900. |
| 16:40.47 | OMZ_Zepher | tunys: It is sexy :O~~ |
| 16:40.49 | tunys | OMZ_Zepher: You're not going to sleep tonight. |
| 16:40.52 | bricode | tunys: You based in Arizona? |
| 16:41.00 | tunys | bricode: Uuuuhhh... |
| 16:41.05 | tunys | shifty eyes |
| 16:41.08 | tunys | how did you know that? |
| 16:41.09 | TAsn | time has passed since july 25th... |
| 16:41.23 | bricode | tunys: I work for Koolu. Just saw your order come in. |
| 16:41.27 | tunys | oic |
| 16:41.28 | OMZ_Zepher | Hahaha |
| 16:41.38 | tunys | KOOLU PEERS INTO YOUR SOUL WITHOUT LOVE OR COMPASSION!!! |
| 16:41.52 | TAsn | bricode, when will i be able to get a 900? |
| 16:42.02 | tunys | But they are delivering me a FreeRunner, so it's cool |
| 16:42.23 | bricode | TAsn: Did you order one from Koolu? |
| 16:42.25 | OMZ_Zepher | 850? 900? |
| 16:42.36 | TAsn | bricode, haven't order yet. |
| 16:42.53 | bricode | rings up fullfillment dept. |
| 16:42.59 | TAsn | i don't want to pre order |
| 16:43.06 | TAsn | i want to buy it when it's out |
| 16:43.14 | tunys | bricode: I'll give you an imaginary Twinkie if you can make my order move along a little faster |
| 16:43.14 | TAsn | because im not sure where to order from. |
| 16:43.20 | tunys | :) |
| 16:43.30 | TAsn | so i'm actually a costumer of the first easy to pay to shop in the world :) |
| 16:43.58 | bricode | tunys: We usually ship next day or the day after depending on time of order and level of business. |
| 16:44.09 | TAsn | "easy to pay to" shop, that will have an fr ready for shippment that is. |
| 16:44.55 | tunys | bricode: you should have just gotten a CTCP TWINKIE!!! from me |
| 16:45.40 | hossi | TAsn, I can fix one for you from sweden |
| 16:46.19 | OMZ_Zepher | got his from France |
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| 16:47.02 | TAsn | hossi, i have shipment addresses in the uk, france and the us. us is the cheapest so i prefer there. |
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| 16:47.16 | TAsn | hossi, how much will it cost me to get one to one of those places? |
| 16:47.57 | OMZ_Zepher | Question: Is the following URL the correct uboot file for me to upload? ( http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080820/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin ) |
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| 16:50.16 | bricode | TAsn: I can guarantee that we have 900's in stock. |
| 16:51.01 | OMZ_Zepher | Wewt, it booted |
| 16:51.32 | tunys | bricode: I can guarantee that your company is my best friend right now and will be for a little bit. |
| 16:52.25 | tunys | so you know those prepaid phones? |
| 16:52.28 | hossi | tunys, if you buy it from the states (and you live there) it will be cheaper than from sweden |
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| 16:52.50 | super | what is the status on development on the 2007.2 and 2008.8?? I like gnome, but if its not being developed it would be a shame to use |
| 16:52.53 | TAsn | bricode, so why does it take 2 weeks to ship? |
| 16:53.11 | TAsn | bricode, well i guess i will order tomorrow then :) |
| 16:53.26 | OMZ_Zepher | Memo to me: The powerbutton has a different function now |
| 16:53.36 | bricode | TAsn: it's easier to say that instead of changing the website daily. |
| 16:53.50 | TAsn | bricode, that is correct. |
| 16:53.54 | tunys | hossi: Sweden? I'm buying from Koolu, isn't that Canada? |
| 16:53.59 | TAsn | well i will get mine tomorrow :) |
| 16:54.08 | hossi | tunys, yes ofcourse canada |
| 16:54.19 | tunys | hossi: I don't think anyone in US is selling FreeRunners ATM |
| 16:54.32 | hossi | haha |
| 16:54.36 | hossi | suckers |
| 16:54.46 | tunys | and my order has already been placed with my new best friend |
| 16:54.52 | bricode | tunys: We ship worldwide. Koolu also has 850s in stock. |
| 16:54.56 | TAsn | bricode, before i fill all of my details |
| 16:55.05 | TAsn | how can i pay |
| 16:55.12 | tunys | gossips with Koolu |
| 16:55.17 | TAsn | and do you ship to addresses other the the cc owner address? |
| 16:55.32 | hossi | bricode, are you working Koolu? |
| 16:55.40 | hossi | on |
| 16:55.41 | tunys | PSST... I heard the GP2XStore likes you! |
| 16:55.43 | TAsn | Hobart, he is. |
| 16:55.49 | bricode | TAsn: Paypal, or credit card (visa/mastercard) via Paypal (you don't need a paypal account). |
| 16:56.04 | TAsn | bricode, you rock :) |
| 16:56.09 | bricode | TAsn: We usually review the orders before they ship. If there's something odd, we'll follow up. |
| 16:56.17 | bricode | hossi: Yes. |
| 16:56.23 | TAsn | bricode, well remember me |
| 16:56.31 | TAsn | a cc from israel shipping to the us :) |
| 16:56.54 | TAsn | i gotta admit im pretty excited. |
| 16:57.10 | tunys | i gotta excite im pretty admitted. |
| 16:57.19 | OMZ_Zepher | already got his and he is still excited |
| 16:57.33 | tunys | already excited his and he is still gotten |
| 16:57.54 | tunys | I should make a mIRC script of this |
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| 16:58.12 | tunys | er, minus the m, because I don't use mIRC |
| 16:58.27 | hossi | bricode, on your page you say that Koolu distribute to europe but you have your stock i canada? |
| 16:58.40 | TAsn | bricode, btw, should i register with my cc owner address or shipping address? |
| 16:59.02 | tunys | bricode, you're so cool, can I have you autograph? |
| 16:59.05 | bricode | hossi: Right now, yes. We're ramping up distribution centers in Europe, the US and investigating it elsewhere. |
| 16:59.08 | TAsn | tunys, i guess you use pidgin on moko ;) |
| 16:59.33 | tunys | wtf? |
| 16:59.35 | bricode | TAsn: Whatever works for you. Probably your more regular address. |
| 16:59.44 | tunys | Why did it say "Banana Hammock?" |
| 17:00.11 | tunys | I... probably shouldn't have brought that into the channel |
| 17:00.24 | bricode | tunys: I'm not famous enough for my signature to be worth anything. |
| 17:00.30 | TAsn | bricode, my real question is, will it let me ship to an address other than the one im registered with? |
| 17:00.36 | bricode | Yes. |
| 17:00.38 | tunys | apparently that's what it returns when somebody CTCP VERSION's me |
| 17:00.46 | TAsn | cool enough. |
| 17:01.14 | tunys | I'm really using XChat, but this weird script I installed likes to take everything over |
| 17:01.35 | tunys | Peter: Guns don't kill people, dangerous minorities do. |
| 17:01.41 | tunys | whoops |
| 17:01.48 | TAsn | tunys, don't lie to us. you just like bananas |
| 17:01.53 | mmontour | bricode: any chance of koolu re-selling debug boards and spares packs in the near future? |
| 17:01.54 | tunys | sorry, wrong menu, clicked on wrong item |
| 17:02.06 | cga | hi folks |
| 17:02.10 | bricode | mmontour: Working on it. |
| 17:02.15 | tunys | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.16 | tunys | ' |
| 17:02.19 | mmaestri | anyone using navit with libgarmin support? |
| 17:02.29 | cga | hey mmontour Infoport Zorkman |
| 17:02.54 | mmontour | ok, glad to hear it. |
| 17:06.03 | TAsn | bricode, you rock. :) |
| 17:06.11 | TAsn | cya all, and thanks. |
| 17:06.50 | tunys | bricode: do you know if the SIM cards in those prepaid phones from AT&T work? |
| 17:07.15 | bricode | tunys: Not sure. Best place to look would be the wiki. |
| 17:07.17 | asciiforever | tunys: works for me |
| 17:07.26 | tunys | asciiforever: kthx! |
| 17:08.02 | asciiforever | i got the phone in question 3 years ago though |
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| 17:08.31 | asciiforever | when it was cingular |
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| 17:09.32 | tunys | cool |
| 17:09.56 | tunys | I"m going to go do some things now |
| 17:09.56 | tunys | bai |
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| 17:12.29 | Tanuva | the red aux led indicates kernel panic, doesn't it? |
| 17:13.36 | bumbl | Tanuva: normally it indicates: charging |
| 17:13.46 | Tanuva | hmm |
| 17:13.56 | mmontour | is it flashing? |
| 17:14.43 | Tanuva | 8.8 crashed |
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| 17:17.19 | Tanuva | misses the matte grey surface under the shiny invisibleshield.. |
| 17:18.14 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07rsync-version * r7207f5d1f11f 10/ (1368 files in 46 dirs): Rsync snapshot as of 2008-08-21 |
| 17:19.20 | Tanuva | and now it hangs with a black screen after booting :/ |
| 17:19.37 | OMZ_Zepher | Is there a GUI for configuring WIFI in om2008? |
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| 17:24.06 | OMZ_Zepher | found wiki |
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| 17:35.01 | andras | hey there, I'm having trouble accessing the GSM functions through frameworkd, I need help... |
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| 17:44.05 | OMZ_Zepher | Hmm, I got the "Cant make a phone call/no pin dialog" bug. *reads trac and ML* |
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| 17:45.41 | peter__b | <OMZ_Zepher> welcome at #1766 :-) |
| 17:46.09 | OMZ_Zepher | peter__b: Hark! |
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| 17:48.49 | peter__b | <OMZ_Zepher> it is working sometimes for me but not all the time |
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| 17:52.42 | MTrevi | anyone here has the fixed libficgta01vendor.so mentioned in bug #1766 ? |
| 17:53.02 | wurp2|working | Anyone know if obex is built for OM? |
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| 17:56.15 | MTrevi | hello, anyone here has the fixed libficgta01vendor.so mentioned in bug #1766 ? |
| 17:56.18 | MTrevi | ops sorry |
| 17:56.54 | widrone | wurp2|working: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth there is an OBEX section, read it? |
| 17:57.04 | wurp2|working | widrone: Yeah, it's empty |
| 17:57.14 | wurp2|working | :-( |
| 17:57.51 | wurp2|working | The German version of that page says that it's for data xfer, which is not very helpful to getting me so I can actually use it |
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| 17:58.03 | widrone | wurp2|working: That was what I was studying now too accualy, sorry bout that. Dunno where that info went =P |
| 17:58.22 | wurp2|working | widrone: NP :-) I don't think the info was ever there - I think it's just a placeholder |
| 17:58.30 | wurp2|working | I think now that obex hasn't been ported to OM yet |
| 18:00.46 | widrone | there may be obex stuff lurking in the feeds, you searched it Im guessing too? |
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| 18:01.44 | wurp2|working | widrone: I just googled for it |
| 18:01.48 | wurp2|working | Hrm, but now I googled again |
| 18:01.56 | wurp2|working | And it does look as if there are packages |
| 18:02.12 | wurp2|working | Apparently my repository config doesn't include them |
| 18:03.06 | Tanuva | may I safely just use lenny repositories on neodebian while having installed from unstable/experimental? Shouldn't be a problem, should it? |
| 18:03.50 | widrone | I can guess openobex exsists in debian, but some of the other feeds may have them. Sorry, I dont really know the feeds all yet. |
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| 18:04.30 | wurp2|working | I see indications that the angstrom feed has obex apps |
| 18:04.38 | wurp2|working | Trying opkg update & checking again |
| 18:05.48 | OMZ_Zepher | How do I turn off the dictionary that appears with the keyboard? |
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| 18:07.33 | widrone | wurp2|working: Seems that way too, that may work. Or its roll your own time until someone picks it up elsewhere. |
| 18:07.42 | wurp2|working | Hrm, still no listing. I'll check my feed list tonight & verify if it's there or not. It looks as if obexftp and obexpush are the packages I need |
| 18:08.06 | widrone | wurp2|working: I tried searching the angstrom page and gave up really, its way slow atm ;) |
| 18:08.31 | widrone | wurp2|working: For pushing and pulling files over bt those are the ones yes |
| 18:10.26 | OMZ_Zepher | haha! Cool! A finished the word "home |
| 18:10.40 | OMZ_Zepher | ( got the hang of it ) |
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| 18:13.18 | widrone | wurp2|working: Dunno how easy it is adding packages to feeds, but I see obex is in the slugos feeds (also based on "OE framework" if Im not mistaken). I may be hinting to something that is totaly the wrong way of going about it really. |
| 18:15.03 | wurp2|working | widrone: Thanks... I'll search through the standard feeds tonight to see if I can find it |
| 18:15.08 | wurp2|working | If not I'll look in slugo |
| 18:15.21 | wurp2|working | Is slugos ARM4? |
| 18:15.56 | widrone | wurp2|working: slugos is "something else", but its something to look into. Dont thik that is something you should plug into you feeds so to say =P |
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| 18:16.05 | wurp2|working | Yeah |
| 18:16.14 | wurp2|working | But the source might compile with only minor changes |
| 18:16.34 | widrone | wurp2|working: XScale-IXP42x Family rev 1 (v5b) |
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| 18:17.12 | widrone | wurp2|working: Thats my thinking, sort of proofed of consept but Im guessing Ill get around to trying that in a couple of weeks hehe. |
| 18:17.53 | widrone | wurp2|working: the slug is an arm yes, underpowered compared to the freerunner too. |
| 18:20.15 | widrone | List of all resporitories (I think) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Users_Repositories |
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| 18:21.42 | widrone | And according to that, the angstrom linked feed contains all the obex stuff so you _should_ be set, wierd. |
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| 18:22.24 | wurp2|working | Well, I'm on ScaredyCat, but I thought I had added all the appropriate angstrom feeds |
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| 18:22.43 | jucs | Heeeey =) |
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| 18:24.24 | jucs | Does anyone know how to make phone calls with the om2007.2 image? |
| 18:24.32 | wurp2|working | jucs: yes... |
| 18:24.54 | wurp2|working | Push the dialer button (leftmost button near the top on the home app) |
| 18:24.57 | jucs | Because it doesn't work here :-( I can dial, but after that... |
| 18:25.15 | wurp2|working | then dial the #s, then hit the send button, then wait for it to switch to showing the talking dialog |
| 18:25.31 | wurp2|working | If it isn't showing the talking dialog, something's wrong with your gsm |
| 18:25.39 | wurp2|working | Probably a problem recognizing your SIM |
| 18:25.52 | wurp2|working | You can diagnose that using libgsmd-tool |
| 18:26.04 | jucs | The internal speaker does not do anything (silent), and if I switch to the speakers the other one can hear her/his voice 5 times... |
| 18:26.25 | jucs | It's not about dial, the problem is that the sound doesn't work... |
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| 18:26.45 | wurp2|working | jucs: For some reason it's not switching to the right alsa scenario, sounds like |
| 18:26.47 | jucs | If I plug in the headset, there's kind of a noise.... hard to describe... but it is impossible to understand anything... |
| 18:27.12 | wurp2|working | jucs: Did you try using alsa restore on your gsmhandset scenario while in a call? |
| 18:27.19 | jucs | Yes... |
| 18:27.26 | jucs | Actually I've tried all of them... |
| 18:27.35 | wurp2|working | Echo has been a problem, but I thought it was a physical feedback |
| 18:27.53 | wurp2|working | It's very weird that you get a horrible echo with no sound on the neo speaker |
| 18:28.13 | wurp2|working | If there's electronic feedback causing the echo, it seems to me something is seriously wrong with the design :-) |
| 18:28.20 | jucs | Yes, the speakers are next to the mic, strange setup; but why isn't it possible to use the "normal" phone speaker on the other end of the freerunner? It's always silent... |
| 18:28.38 | wurp2|working | jucs: Yes, for gsmhandset that speaker is the one that should be used |
| 18:28.45 | jucs | There's a sound on the neo, but the echo is horrible... |
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| 18:29.02 | wurp2|working | jucs: I thought you said the internal speaker doesn't do anything... |
| 18:29.04 | jucs | wurp2|working: No, it's always silent... |
| 18:29.17 | wurp2|working | jucs: That sounds like a hardware problem |
| 18:29.23 | jucs | I'm sorry, maybe it's hard to describe, I'll try more again... |
| 18:29.30 | wurp2|working | Or some weird problem with the specific release you're using |
| 18:29.35 | wurp2|working | I think I understnad now |
| 18:29.54 | wurp2|working | You can switch it to use the bottome two speakers, but the top (internal) speaker never works |
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| 18:30.05 | wurp2|working | s/tome/tom/ |
| 18:30.15 | jucs | I've got three choices: (1) normal phone mode, (2) speakers and (3) headset... |
| 18:30.35 | jucs | Yes wurp :-P |
| 18:30.41 | wurp2|working | OK |
| 18:30.50 | wurp2|working | Have you tried a pure qtopia install, or a 2008.8 install? |
| 18:30.59 | wurp2|working | 'cause that's sounding like a hardware issue to me |
| 18:31.20 | jucs | (1) <- Never works, speaker and mic is silent; (2) <- works, but with horrible echo; (3) <- works, but with a verrrry loud noise... |
| 18:31.21 | wurp2|working | When I get or make a call, the internal speaker is the one I hear the other person through |
| 18:31.30 | jucs | uhmm... |
| 18:31.40 | wurp2|working | For 1, the mic is also silent? |
| 18:31.57 | wurp2|working | Maybe your gsmhandset scenario is just broken, then |
| 18:32.48 | jucs | Yes, that's the only thing that makes me hopeful that it's a software bug: It's really absolutely dead then, no sound on no side... |
| 18:33.05 | wurp2|working | I don't have an ssh session to my neo right now |
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| 18:33.23 | wurp2|working | I suggest asking someone to email you their gsmhandset scenario & giving it a try |
| 18:33.49 | wurp2|working | Or diffing your handset scenario with another scenario to see if you're missing some sections |
| 18:33.59 | jucs | I've got a friend who has got the same software version... |
| 18:34.15 | jucs | I think, I'll ask him to try and then, if it works for him, send it to me... |
| 18:34.45 | wurp2|working | You're running the sw that came on the phone? |
| 18:34.49 | wurp2|working | with no updates? |
| 18:35.31 | jucs | No :-P The daily build... |
| 18:35.53 | wurp2|working | Oh |
| 18:35.58 | wurp2|working | Did it work before the update? |
| 18:36.06 | wurp2|working | Random daily builds are often broken |
| 18:36.29 | wurp2|working | Kevin Dean used to review them daily, but now I think he's waiting for shr |
| 18:37.12 | jucs | I think it never worked good.... but I think it has never been that bad :-P |
| 18:37.28 | jucs | I mean, I think the mic wasn't silent in the first version... |
| 18:37.32 | jucs | But that's all... |
| 18:37.41 | jucs | Anyway, on that day I didn't really care :-D |
| 18:38.51 | wurp2|working | I would ask around for a daily image that works & try switching to it |
| 18:38.58 | wurp2|working | Or try 2008.8 or something like that |
| 18:39.32 | jucs | Are you using the 2007.2-thing? |
| 18:39.44 | jucs | So ... do you know one good working image of it? |
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| 18:45.23 | wurp2|working | jucs: I'm using a ScaredyCat image, which is a flavor of 2002.2 |
| 18:45.30 | wurp2|working | s/02/07/ |
| 18:45.46 | wurp2|working | I'm using his June 11 build |
| 18:45.50 | jucs | Ahhh, okay :-P |
| 18:46.02 | wurp2|working | which works 'eh' |
| 18:46.08 | wurp2|working | It seems to lose the gsm pretty often |
| 18:46.08 | jucs | I'll be back in some minutes, and I'll look for that... |
| 18:46.13 | jucs | :-P |
| 18:46.19 | wurp2|working | but, 2007.2 is prone to that anyway |
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| 18:46.31 | wurp2|working | There was about a 6 week period where it was pretty good, then it got bad again |
| 18:46.32 | El_Senator | Jatak, Jes må gerne bestille to af de dyre |
| 18:46.39 | El_Senator | haha, oops |
| 18:46.54 | wurp2|working | Dutch? |
| 18:47.06 | widrone | norwegian |
| 18:47.25 | johnsu01 | Is there a way to import vcf contacts into the zhone phonebook? |
| 18:47.27 | widrone | Or maybe danish really. |
| 18:48.20 | wurp2|working | johnsu01: I dunno, but I'll bet someone in openmoko-cdevel does |
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| 18:59.11 | widrone | How does zhone store its phonebook really? VCF files is text with ; separation so parsing it should be np |
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| 19:00.12 | johnsu01 | widrone: Yeah, I'm just not sure where the phone book is stored or in what format, haven't looked into it yet. |
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| 19:03.07 | wurp2|working | johnsu01: There is a dbus interface to the phone book, but I don't know what it looks like |
| 19:03.16 | wurp2|working | johnsu01: Have you looked on freesmartphone.org? |
| 19:04.31 | johnsu01 | wurp2|working: Doesn't seem to be much there |
| 19:05.00 | wurp2|working | There are docs on much of the dbus interface there... |
| 19:05.45 | widrone | johnsu01: http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Standards/OpenTelephonyAPI#SIM |
| 19:06.06 | widrone | Maybe a cup of tea, depending on how deep you want to duck it. |
| 19:06.49 | widrone | Least that is for sim contacts handeling part. |
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| 19:11.31 | widrone | and if I understand this correst there could be services in /etc/freesmartphone/opreferences/schema/ |
| 19:12.40 | widrone | for prefs services, that may or may not include pim info. Im guessing not, since this seems very "profile" alike. |
| 19:12.51 | widrone | More for settings and sutch i think |
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| 19:18.50 | jucs | I can't find the gta02-Imaga of ScaredyCat, have you got an url? I'm searching here, but it always says "gta01" http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/?M=D |
| 19:19.11 | jucs | @wurp2|working |
| 19:19.23 | bricode | Anyone have a pointer on how to flash NOR? I seem to have misplaced my link. |
| 19:19.32 | SpeedEvil | You can't. |
| 19:19.36 | SpeedEvil | Without a debug board. |
| 19:19.41 | bricode | SpeedEvil: I've got one of them. |
| 19:19.44 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 19:19.45 | eliasp | got my OpenMoko Freerunner today and just upgraded the software to om-2008.8 ... great work guys! booting is still a little slow, but besides this, it's looking really impressive |
| 19:19.47 | jucs | Sorry... |
| 19:19.50 | jucs | I'm blind... |
| 19:20.14 | eliasp | did anyone already analyze why it takes that long booting (maybe bootchart works, i don't know...) |
| 19:20.16 | widrone | bricode: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_NOR |
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| 19:20.37 | bricode | widrone: Thanks. |
| 19:21.39 | enrico | Is it possible to get the wlan interface of the FreeRunner to work in mode master? The idea of turning the phone into a wireless access point would be quite neat |
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| 19:22.23 | CVirus | eliasp: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_time_reduction_plan |
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| 19:22.45 | eliasp | CVirus: thx |
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| 19:22.53 | CVirus | np |
| 19:24.02 | kelvie | anyone know if the distributors have the next shipment of 850s (with the capacitor GPS fix) yet? |
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| 19:27.45 | bricode | kelvie: Not yet from what I know. |
| 19:28.20 | Chox | moooooooooooooooooose! |
| 19:28.30 | Chox | vanishes for another week |
| 19:28.31 | ronny | capacitor gps fix? |
| 19:29.06 | bricode | ronny: There were harmonics from the sd_clk that caused issues with gps fix. |
| 19:29.13 | eliasp | this word guessing of the keyboard application is really great stuff... but is there a way to make it learn new words? |
| 19:29.27 | ronny | bricode: ah, so its the sdcard issue? |
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| 19:29.47 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:29.56 | bricode | ronny: They've solved it a couple of ways: change the drive strength of the sd_clk in s/w, or add a capacitor to change the harmonic frequencies. |
| 19:29.57 | SpeedEvil | well - it's not certain it's harmonics AIUI |
| 19:29.58 | ronny | bricode: any way to fix that on a already brought device? |
| 19:30.03 | SpeedEvil | ronny: yes |
| 19:30.13 | ronny | good |
| 19:30.17 | SpeedEvil | ronny: it can be reworked if you can find it |
| 19:30.18 | kelvie | bricode: ah.. thanks |
| 19:30.23 | SpeedEvil | ronny: someone to do it that is. |
| 19:30.45 | SpeedEvil | ronny: or you can live with the slight lack of performance that will only geenrally affect you in poor GPS conditions. |
| 19:30.45 | ronny | is there any howto? |
| 19:31.00 | SpeedEvil | ronny: you absolutely cannot fix it yourseldf. |
| 19:31.25 | SpeedEvil | ronny: unless you know how to solder 0402. |
| 19:31.41 | ronny | SpeedEvil: we also fix broken smd's graphic cards and mainboards, so its within the possible |
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| 19:32.02 | ronny | (we are hobbyist hardware breakers) |
| 19:32.18 | SpeedEvil | Look at Shop:SpeedEvil on the wiki |
| 19:32.23 | SpeedEvil | it's got a rundown |
| 19:32.27 | SpeedEvil | and a link |
| 19:33.25 | ronny | got a url to that wiki page (using it in the addres bar end up with doesnt exist) |
| 19:33.56 | ronny | oh, wait it actually works from search |
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| 19:35.35 | pjz | anyone hae trouble getting the phone to send dtmf tones after the call is connected? |
| 19:36.43 | widrone | I saw a page on letting the gsm have its way during the FIX fase, cant find the page in the wiki atm. |
| 19:37.42 | jucs | Hey... does anyone know why a download of the rootfs crashes with the following output of dfu-util:  dfu_upload error -110? |
| 19:38.04 | jucs | Upload... I mean, I want to make a backup of the phone's root-fs... |
| 19:39.06 | mmontour | dfu-util upload is broken |
| 19:39.11 | mmontour | !ombug 1843 |
| 19:39.20 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 1843, Status: Unknown Error () |
| 19:39.30 | jucs | -.- |
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| 19:39.48 | mwester | mmontour: looks like ombug is broken, too |
| 19:39.50 | mmontour | hmmm, guess that doesn't work any more. http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1843 |
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| 19:40.28 | mmontour | I wonder if "ombug" was ever updated after the bugzilla->trac migration |
| 19:40.35 | cyberrex | hey everyone |
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| 19:42.39 | widrone | Ah, here is this SD/GPS page I was looking for http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_GPS_Software_Fix_TTFF_Measurement_Test (says very alpha) |
| 19:43.11 | Ghiottone | eliasp, some analysis I did for Neo1973 about boot time http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Alessandro#BOOT_PHASE |
| 19:43.22 | widrone | ronny / SpeedEvil is that realted to what you were discussing at all? |
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| 19:45.23 | eliasp | Ghiottone: thx, interesting |
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| 19:45.37 | ronny | widrone: thats a software fix, we discussed a hardware fix |
| 19:45.55 | CM | Ghiottone: Evening :) |
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| 19:46.16 | widrone | ronny: Ah ok, you know if that software fix is related to the sdcards partitions dying on suspend. Or unrelated? |
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| 19:46.51 | ronny | widrone: no idea, new to the topic of fixing that stuff |
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| 19:49.21 | Zorkman | !ombug 666 |
| 19:49.30 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 666, Status: Unknown Error () |
| 19:49.50 | Zorkman | almost nice :) |
| 19:50.38 | mmontour | ~fish cdbot2 |
| 19:50.39 | apt | ACTION slaps cdbot2 around with a large trout |
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| 19:51.00 | eliasp | Zorkman: i'm affected by 666 too... just ordered a new sim at o2 |
| 19:51.06 | Zorkman | is there a !help or !command list for those bots? |
| 19:51.22 | Zorkman | eliasp: I'm not :) I only suffer from the gsm buzzing sound on the other end :( |
| 19:51.31 | eliasp | ah, ok |
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| 19:55.52 | lindi- | mmaestri: managed to package navit btw since a second persond asked it |
| 19:55.58 | lindi- | mmaestri: see mailing list |
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| 19:57.07 | mmaestri | lindi-: |
| 19:57.16 | mmaestri | lindi-: :p ok |
| 19:57.36 | Tanuva | lindi-: for which distro? |
| 19:57.44 | lindi- | Tanuva: debian |
| 19:57.45 | mmaestri | i've flashed fso-unstable from shr.bearstech.com |
| 19:57.55 | Tanuva | lindi-: :) |
| 19:57.57 | mmaestri | and navit is on its feeds |
| 19:58.17 | Tanuva | tries to compile e17 on the neo |
| 19:58.20 | mmaestri | lindi-: have you debianized libgarmin too? |
| 19:59.42 | lindi- | mmaestri: never heard of it |
| 19:59.54 | lindi- | Tanuva: on debian? |
| 20:00.05 | Tanuva | yes |
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| 20:00.16 | lindi- | Tanuva: why do you torture your neo so much? ;) |
| 20:00.24 | lindi- | Tanuva: just compile under qemubuilder :P |
| 20:00.26 | Tanuva | although I wouldn't speak of "compiling" yet |
| 20:00.27 | mmaestri | lindi-: libgarmin helps navit to use garmin maps as a backend |
| 20:00.35 | lindi- | mmaestri: what are garmin maps? |
| 20:00.39 | Tanuva | lindi-: if I knew how that works... lemme take a look :D |
| 20:01.04 | lindi- | Tanuva: qemubuilder --build foo.dsc |
| 20:01.20 | lindi- | Tanuva: setup instructions are in wiki |
| 20:01.31 | mmaestri | garmin uses a file format that can be generated via mapsource |
| 20:01.47 | mmaestri | mapsource is a program made by garmin |
| 20:01.50 | lindi- | Tanuva: nice thing about qemubuilder is that it will do all compilations in a clean environment and it detects missing dependencies |
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| 20:02.08 | lindi- | mmaestri: i'm confused, is somebody distributing maps in that format? |
| 20:02.52 | mmaestri | i have a nokia n95, with a program named GarminXT Mobile. it uses this file format to show maps |
| 20:03.06 | mmaestri | garmin files can be found anywhere on internet |
| 20:03.27 | lindi- | mmaestri: are there any maps that can be legally modified and redistributed in that format? |
| 20:03.37 | mmaestri | yes |
| 20:03.38 | lindi- | mmaestri: (since afaik openstreetmap did not use garmin format) |
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| 20:03.57 | Tanuva | lindi-: I know that I saw this term somewhere on the wiki but even google cannot find it Oo |
| 20:04.32 | kario | does anyone happen to have bitbake recipe for gsmd2? |
| 20:04.43 | mmaestri | lindi-: i know. but it's legal and distributable. i'm using a compilation of maps made freely available here in my country |
| 20:05.30 | lindi- | mmaestri: but are the modified versions redistributable too? |
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| 20:06.14 | mmaestri | why wouldn't be they? Garmin gives you a map builder, named MapSource |
| 20:06.33 | Tanuva | lindi-: ah, its the debian wiki. :x |
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| 20:07.46 | lindi- | Tanuva: yep |
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| 20:08.01 | lindi- | mmaestri: what are the exact licensing terms? |
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| 20:09.14 | mmaestri | wait a sec |
| 20:13.15 | mmaestri | can't find the license for Garmin IMG files, but: |
| 20:13.33 | mmaestri | there are many open source tools that handle the format |
| 20:15.12 | ronny | hmm, anyone aware of hoyybist os's for the phones ? |
| 20:16.57 | Marcel_M | mmaestri: i've uploaded the latest svnrev of libgarmin but they are not tested yet |
| 20:17.03 | Marcel_M | http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/misc/?C=M;O=D |
| 20:17.41 | mmaestri | Marcel_M: are you the mantainer of navit && libgarmin? |
| 20:17.46 | Marcel_M | no |
| 20:18.02 | mmaestri | are you somewhat involved in the project? |
| 20:18.12 | Marcel_M | i have just compiled it for the fr |
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| 20:19.23 | wurp2|working | ronny: Aren't all the OSes for neos hobbyist OSes? |
| 20:19.32 | Marcel_M | if you want to test them with navit you need a navit-vers with copiled in support for libgarmin |
| 20:20.21 | ronny | wurp2|working: linux isnt a hobbyist os, im not aware of others |
| 20:20.35 | wurp2|working | ronny: Linux isn't a hobbyist OS? |
| 20:20.39 | ronny | wurp2|working: im talking about hacking custom kernels from the scratch |
| 20:20.50 | wurp2|working | That's what Linux is... |
| 20:20.55 | ronny | wurp2|working: most linux development is paid by enterprises |
| 20:20.57 | mmaestri | Marcel_M: i was telling lindi- about libgarmin, and garmin file format. he said he didn't knew it existed |
| 20:21.04 | wurp2|working | It's just that people started the "from scratch" a long time ago |
| 20:21.08 | Marcel_M | mmaestri: use this one http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/navit-dbg_0.1.0+svnrev1241-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 20:21.29 | wurp2|working | ronny: That seems like a very strange & arbitrary line to draw, to me... |
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| 20:21.35 | ronny | wurp2|working: linux isnt hobbyisnt any more since the core are paid full time |
| 20:22.16 | lindi- | mmaestri: tools exists but is there free data too? |
| 20:22.47 | mmaestri | Marcel_M: i've managed to install navit && libgarmin, and tell navit to use it with my maps. it seems slow, at least with the versions i've used |
| 20:22.49 | ronny | wurp2|working: linux is in the enterprise since years, anything thats there clearly disqualifies for the term hobbyist |
| 20:23.34 | ronny | wurp2|working: there are of course still hobbyists working on it, but that doesnt change the fact that most of the development is paid by fsckin big companies |
| 20:23.51 | wurp2|working | but... I'm trying to figure out why you would care |
| 20:24.04 | Marcel_M | mmaestri: but you need to change navit.xml (plugins path should be http://phpfi.com/345999 ) |
| 20:24.10 | mmaestri | lindi-: is free to use it, and generate data, so i guess it's free in that sense. take a look at this: http://www.proyectomapear.com.ar/ |
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| 20:24.28 | ronny | wurp2|working: i want something simple thats easy to hack and play with |
| 20:24.47 | ronny | wurp2|working: after all the mokos are a great arm dev platform thats basically not breakable |
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| 20:25.08 | wurp2|working | ronny: So what you're really asking for is a simple, open OS that runs on OM |
| 20:25.15 | ronny | yup |
| 20:25.31 | wurp2|working | k, I dunno of one :-) |
| 20:25.37 | Marcel_M | mmaestri: great, but yes it's slow |
| 20:25.54 | wurp2|working | Although I think you could strip the hell out of any of the existing distros to get what you want |
| 20:25.57 | widrone | debian is not "a simple, open OS"? ;) |
| 20:26.25 | wurp2|working | widrone: I think he's saying it fails on the "simple" front |
| 20:26.52 | mmaestri | Marcel_M: have you tested navit with garmin maps? is it "that" slow? |
| 20:26.56 | wurp2|working | But, honestly, software is hard. I think any OS that does much of anything is going to be complex once you get it reasonably bug free & feature full |
| 20:27.02 | mjr | mmhyeah I would've suggested debian for easy to play with |
| 20:27.17 | wurp2|working | Navit seemed very acceptable in speed to me, as long as I don't have routing going on |
| 20:27.53 | Marcel_M | i got just an small downloaded map and even with this one its really slow :) |
| 20:28.43 | wurp2|working | Marcel_M: I had one that showed a busy metroplex, about 40 x 40 miles, and it ran fine - just slightly slower than tango is (when the maps are cached) |
| 20:28.53 | wurp2|working | much faster than tango w/o cached maps :-) |
| 20:29.07 | wurp2|working | And taking *much* less space to cover the same maps, if you want detailed map info |
| 20:29.22 | Marcel_M | wurp2|working: i like navit but not with the garmin maps (/me uses small osm maps) |
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| 20:30.30 | wurp2|working | Marcel_M: Oh, sorry, I haven't used it with garmin, only osm |
| 20:30.49 | wurp2|working | I should pay more attention :-) |
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| 20:30.56 | Marcel_M | np :) |
| 20:31.19 | UndrWater | is trying to get a working osm...but seems impossible in my area? |
| 20:31.37 | wurp2|working | UndrWater: Did you check out the maps online? |
| 20:31.50 | lindi- | mmaestri: yes but is the data just from openstreetmap? |
| 20:32.01 | SpeedEvil | UndrWater: where are you? |
| 20:32.01 | lindi- | mmaestri: if yes, why use garmin format and not osm? |
| 20:32.13 | wurp2|working | If they're there online, you should be able to download them. Otherwise, you need to build 'em :-) |
| 20:33.21 | UndrWater | SpeedEvil: los angeles are |
| 20:33.21 | UndrWater | *area |
| 20:33.36 | UndrWater | i found a california one...but it was HUGE |
| 20:33.42 | SpeedEvil | UndrWater: You mean OSM has no coverage? |
| 20:34.15 | SpeedEvil | I thought LA was well covered. |
| 20:35.03 | UndrWater | SpeedEvil: difficult to say...but when i plug in the lat and lon on that wget command, i get 404 error |
| 20:35.29 | SpeedEvil | uou can't get >0.25 square degrees. |
| 20:35.41 | SpeedEvil | what wget command? |
| 20:36.16 | SpeedEvil | Browse to your area on openstreetmap.org |
| 20:37.27 | wurp2|working | UndrWater: You can dl maps for exactly the lat-long range you want |
| 20:38.03 | wurp2|working | UndrWater: You may have to expand out your area... there is some minimum range, about .1 degree, I think. |
| 20:38.03 | UndrWater | wurp2|working: SpeedEvil: i wasn't aware of the 0.25 limit...that should help |
| 20:38.25 | wurp2|working | I have a script that starts dling a small area, and increases in size until it succeeds |
| 20:38.26 | SpeedEvil | UndrWater: that is only data downloaded from the API. In OSM format, not |
| 20:38.29 | SpeedEvil | tiles |
| 20:39.15 | UndrWater | is totally newb in this area |
| 20:39.16 | UndrWater | wurp2|working: can you share the script? |
| 20:39.31 | wurp2|working | I can definitely share it in the next 7 hours |
| 20:39.38 | wurp2|working | I can do so right now if my linux machine at home is up |
| 20:39.39 | wurp2|working | checking |
| 20:39.58 | wurp2|working | It is, looking for the script |
| 20:40.21 | UndrWater | SpeedEvil: so where do the tiles come from? |
| 20:40.57 | UndrWater | SpeedEvil: or is wikipedia a good place to get this info? general overview of getting gps maps on a device |
| 20:41.20 | SpeedEvil | UndrWater: the tiles are generated weekly from the OSM data and are thrown onto a large server. |
| 20:41.42 | SpeedEvil | wiki.openstreetmap.org may be of use. |
| 20:42.25 | wurp2|working | UndrWater: http://pastebin.com/m12a27029 |
| 20:42.45 | wurp2|working | I called it dlOsm.sh. Just call it with the min lat, max lat, min long, max long |
| 20:42.48 | wurp2|working | In decimal |
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| 20:44.38 | UndrWater | wurp2|working: thanks...isn't that on the wiki? |
| 20:45.47 | mmaestri | lindi-: because i've already have the data. it covers all my country, with detailed info on every major city |
| 20:46.07 | wurp2|working | UndrWater: Not afaik... I wrote it |
| 20:46.15 | wurp2|working | I might have put it on the wiki & forgot about it |
| 20:46.24 | wurp2|working | in fact, that's downright likely :-) |
| 20:46.31 | mmaestri | SpeedEvil: if you were asking me, i'm from Argentina |
| 20:46.37 | SpeedEvil | mmaestri: no |
| 20:46.41 | mmaestri | namely the ass of the world |
| 20:46.43 | mmaestri | ok |
| 20:46.45 | SpeedEvil | mea: UndrWater |
| 20:47.21 | SpeedEvil | http://openstreetmap.org/ |
| 20:47.27 | SpeedEvil | then go to your area |
| 20:47.51 | SpeedEvil | Then go to 'export' |
| 20:48.01 | SpeedEvil | and select the area using 'manually select a different area'. |
| 20:48.03 | wurp2|working | Oh, yup, I did put it on the wiki :-) |
| 20:48.27 | SpeedEvil | this gives you xyx1y1 |
| 20:50.54 | wurp2|working | UndrWater: I think I had it backwards regarding the download... |
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| 20:51.07 | wurp2|working | UndrWater: I think if your area is too big (has too much stuff in it) it will fail |
| 20:51.17 | UndrWater | wurp2|working: ok...so the way i tried to use your script...go to OSM, browse to my area, click export tab which shows the lat-lon range and plug those in the end of the script |
| 20:51.30 | wurp2|working | Which is why the script dls everything in .1 x .1 degree pieces & patches them together |
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| 20:52.54 | wurp2|working | UndrWater: I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop... |
| 20:53.34 | UndrWater | well...let me try on your shoes ;) |
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| 20:54.20 | wurp2|working | Oh, so the script is still running? |
| 20:54.53 | UndrWater | haven't started yet |
| 20:54.54 | wurp2|working | iirc it takes quite a while, and lots of disk space as it goes |
| 20:55.02 | eliasp | is there a 'hidden' terminal somewhere in 2008.8? |
| 20:55.02 | wurp2|working | How you described is the correct way |
| 20:55.11 | malik1972 | anything working for a right mouse click in debian? |
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| 20:55.38 | UndrWater | ok...good...umm...OSM puts the range in top, bottom, left, right...which is the right order for your script? |
| 20:55.40 | wurp2|working | Lots of info is duplicated in those .1 x .1 degree squares. It gets normalized out when the pieces get stitched together into the final bin file |
| 20:55.59 | wurp2|working | I think that order is correct |
| 20:56.38 | wurp2|working | Oh, btw... my script is untested outside the NW quartosphere or whatever you call it :-) |
| 20:57.01 | wurp2|working | Although I would think some aussie would have bitched about it by now if it didn't work there |
| 20:57.40 | UndrWater | now...do i have to zoom in to a certain degree? or is it pretty much whatever i want? |
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| 21:01.40 | wurp2|working | UndrWater: It should work at whatever level you want |
| 21:01.51 | wurp2|working | but the in between data usage may be very big |
| 21:02.12 | wurp2|working | And the final product is a single bin file, so you have no way to put part of it on your neo, it's all or nothing |
| 21:02.50 | wurp2|working | but the final bin file should be small, compared to the corresponding tiles down to level 15 in tango |
| 21:03.30 | UndrWater | ValueError: invalid literal for float(): 33.7, |
| 21:04.01 | UndrWater | should i use quotes? |
| 21:04.56 | UndrWater | no...quotes didn't work either |
| 21:05.13 | wurp2|working | UndrWater: Don't put in commas... |
| 21:05.33 | UndrWater | space? |
| 21:05.40 | wurp2|working | Yeah, just space separate them |
| 21:05.46 | wurp2|working | Like normal arguments to a program |
| 21:06.08 | wurp2|working | The lat & long have to be all decimal, though |
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| 21:06.23 | wurp2|working | No degrees + minutes + seconds |
| 21:07.08 | UndrWater | OK...so i called the script getOSM |
| 21:07.19 | UndrWater | here's my command: |
| 21:08.10 | UndrWater | getOSM 33.7 34.1 -117.8 -118.4 |
| 21:08.22 | UndrWater | no error...but nothing is generated |
| 21:08.28 | wurp2|working | I think the last two parms are backwars |
| 21:08.33 | wurp2|working | s/wars/wards/ |
| 21:08.36 | wurp2|working | min then max |
| 21:08.45 | UndrWater | should be 118 117? |
| 21:08.48 | wurp2|working | which for negative #s means put the one with the bigger absolute value first |
| 21:08.51 | wurp2|working | yeah |
| 21:08.58 | UndrWater | :P doh! |
| 21:09.18 | wurp2|working | I think I actually made the same mistake one time running my own script :-) |
| 21:09.26 | wurp2|working | It really should tell you when you do that |
| 21:09.35 | wurp2|working | But I thought it was more fun just to let you figure it out |
| 21:10.58 | UndrWater | wget -O map0.osm http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/map?bbox=33.7,-118.4,33.8,-118.3 |
| 21:11.25 | UndrWater | bunch of those up to map27....but nothing in the dir |
| 21:11.40 | wurp2|working | No map0.osm in your dir? |
| 21:11.44 | wurp2|working | Do you have wget installed? |
| 21:11.52 | UndrWater | and script ran quickly...so i'm thinking 404? would it generate that error? yes wget installed |
| 21:11.57 | wurp2|working | Try executing the command directly |
| 21:12.04 | UndrWater | k |
| 21:12.05 | wurp2|working | the one you just copied here |
| 21:12.35 | wurp2|working | It's possible the api has changed since I wrote the script :-( |
| 21:12.35 | UndrWater | yep...404 bad request |
| 21:12.51 | wurp2|working | Can you try to dl a map section from their website, and see how the URL differs? |
| 21:13.15 | UndrWater | how do i get a section? |
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| 21:13.30 | wurp2|working | I don't remember :-) |
| 21:13.41 | wurp2|working | I think I took it from the navit wiki page originally |
| 21:14.17 | UndrWater | i'm trying to use the 'export' page directly... |
| 21:14.54 | UndrWater | waiting a long time for api.openstreetmap.org |
| 21:17.04 | UndrWater | http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/map?bbox=-118.347,33.616,-117.765,33.98 |
| 21:17.22 | Deubeuliou | I don't understand how the Predictive Keyboard works. When i touch the "a", it proposes "e" -_- |
| 21:17.24 | UndrWater | that's in the browser bar...should i be getting some kind of file? |
| 21:17.41 | eliasp | how do i get shell access on OM-2008.8? i'd like to configure networking in any way (WLAN, Bluetooth, USB..) |
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| 21:18.19 | ab0oo | anyone know the magic place to change/prevent screen dimming? |
| 21:18.22 | wurp2|working | UndrWater: Hrm... There's an example of bbox on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSM_Protocol_Version_0.5 that works |
| 21:18.25 | wurp2|working | And has the same format |
| 21:18.32 | eliasp | Deubeuliou: just type further... it tries to match a word based on your movement on the keyboard... if no word matches, you can type it directly by using the Zoom feature |
| 21:18.32 | wurp2|working | Let me check it with similar values to yours |
| 21:18.38 | ab0oo | specifically, is there a /sys file to poke a timeout into? |
| 21:18.56 | Deubeuliou | eliasp, I noticed the zoom thing. but it is too slow :S |
| 21:19.18 | Deubeuliou | Is it possible, at least, to have a dictionnary in another language than english ? |
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| 21:19.32 | eliasp | Deubeuliou: yeah, could be little faster... but what i'm actually missing more... the keyboard learning words i typed once using the zoom-feature |
| 21:19.35 | Deubeuliou | ab0oo, on wich distribution ? |
| 21:19.42 | wurp2|working | UndrWater: I think my box is still too big :-( |
| 21:19.59 | wurp2|working | Try changing the .1 to .05 or .01 |
| 21:20.04 | ab0oo | debian, but I'm thinking/hoping that they all share the same underlying system calls |
| 21:20.07 | Deubeuliou | or is it possible to have this keyboard, but w/o prediction ? |
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| 21:20.28 | Deubeuliou | I don't know, then |
| 21:20.37 | ab0oo | me too either |
| 21:20.55 | UndrWater | wurp2|working: on the script? |
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| 21:21.57 | UndrWater | wurp2|working: no...i used the ranges shown on the browser...it seems to be working now! :) |
| 21:22.32 | UndrWater | not finished yet...but i've got a map0.osm now |
| 21:23.04 | UndrWater | size is 0 still tho :( |
| 21:23.06 | eliasp | does the WLAN AP finder work for anyone in 2008.8? |
| 21:23.29 | UndrWater | eliasp: you get "unknown"? |
| 21:23.35 | eliasp | UndrWater: yes |
| 21:24.53 | wurp2|working | UndrWater: Yeah, I'm looking at the site |
| 21:24.53 | UndrWater | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td586543i20|a663040 |
| 21:25.12 | UndrWater | eliasp: that link is for you ;) |
| 21:25.13 | wurp2|working | I'm getting empty xml for .1 x .1 squares, too, and errors for bigger ones |
| 21:25.26 | wurp2|working | I think the osm site is fubar right now |
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| 21:25.43 | SpeedEvil | .pokeapi |
| 21:25.44 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 21:25.50 | UndrWater | wurp2|working: hehe...my first thought... |
| 21:25.53 | SpeedEvil | ¹Check the topic on irc.oftc.net #osm |
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| 21:26.11 | UndrWater | but i didn't want to rule out user error |
| 21:26.12 | eliasp | UndrWater: ok, got it what you're trying to tell me ;-) |
| 21:26.14 | dcordes | XorA|gone: are you involved in fso development? |
| 21:26.55 | wurp2|working | UndrWater: It has been pretty picky in the past, but I wrote the script to work around that pickiness |
| 21:27.07 | wurp2|working | It seems to be either giving empty datasets or errors for any value I try now |
| 21:27.36 | UndrWater | eliasp: did it fix it? |
| 21:29.53 | eliasp | i'll probably try a downgrade.... http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1734 |
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| 21:31.13 | eliasp | i'd use the solution provided in bug 1734, but as i don't have any network yet and WiFi is the only chance to get one without access to a terminal... downgrade seems to be the way to go |
| 21:31.34 | ab0oo | mickeyl: you around? I'm fighting with mdbus and could use some advice |
| 21:31.56 | mickeyl | where's the problem? |
| 21:32.07 | ab0oo | dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "(unset)" member "Introspect" error name "(unset)" destination ":1.0") |
| 21:32.17 | ab0oo | for just about anything, but specifically: |
| 21:32.25 | ab0oo | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd |
| 21:32.57 | ab0oo | the end-goal is to use dbus to disable the "dim after X seconds" as defined in /etc/frameworkd.conf |
| 21:33.28 | mickeyl | try the latest mdbus |
| 21:33.30 | ab0oo | I have a BT mouse/keyboard, but they do not restart the dim timer. only a touchscreen even seems to do that. |
| 21:33.47 | mickeyl | you can't use dbus to disable dim after X seconds atm. |
| 21:33.50 | mickeyl | well |
| 21:33.50 | ab0oo | apt-get install mdbus ? |
| 21:33.56 | mickeyl | unless you want to send SetState Busy all the time |
| 21:33.58 | mickeyl | err, no |
| 21:34.03 | mickeyl | download from the git repository |
| 21:34.44 | mickeyl | i have no idea which version is packaged for you, but try the latest version directly from git first |
| 21:35.17 | mickeyl | mdbus is a script, so you can just copy it from git to your device |
| 21:35.21 | mickeyl | overwrite your current one |
| 21:35.32 | ab0oo | ok, working on that. |
| 21:35.41 | Deubeuliou | does the alarm of the Qtopia distro work when the phone is in suspend mode ? |
| 21:36.05 | Deubeuliou | I guess it's very hard to make an alarm that works even when the phone is off ? |
| 21:36.14 | SpeedEvil | Deubeuliou: not really |
| 21:36.17 | mickeyl | it's easy |
| 21:36.19 | SpeedEvil | Deubeuliou: it just needs to be coded. |
| 21:36.22 | mickeyl | but i have no idea bout qtopia |
| 21:36.23 | mickeyl | try #qtopia |
| 21:36.36 | Deubeuliou | ah ok |
| 21:38.46 | malik1972 | deubeuliou: it worked even if the device is shutdown |
| 21:38.57 | ab0oo | mickeyl: ok, thanks for the help. I'll play with it in a few, but momma just put dinner on the table. I did get the newest version from git. |
| 21:39.12 | Deubeuliou | wow |
| 21:39.15 | ab0oo | would a trac entry requesting the ability to control dim timeout from dbus be appropriate? |
| 21:39.25 | peter_b | anone here who knows what i have to change after moving the makefile stuff to anaother directory? |
| 21:39.35 | peter_b | cant find where TMPDIR is set |
| 21:39.45 | malik1972 | deubeliou: i had an entry in my calendar, removed the alarm, and uboot waked up at that times |
| 21:40.01 | mickeyl | ab0oo: feel free to add it, but the question will come "why do you need that rather than editing the .conf file" |
| 21:40.17 | mickeyl | lateron there will be an UI config frontend |
| 21:40.28 | johnsu01 | mickeyl: I think to disable it at sometimes, while leaving it enabled for others |
| 21:40.37 | johnsu01 | like the bluetooth keyboard example |
| 21:40.42 | mickeyl | ah, wait |
| 21:40.44 | dcordes | mickeyl: logged in |
| 21:40.45 | mickeyl | that's different |
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| 21:41.06 | mickeyl | what you want is to temporarily disabling timers altogether, right? |
| 21:41.11 | mickeyl | this is a different thing than changing the timers |
| 21:41.21 | mickeyl | disabling timers altogether is on my list of things to do |
| 21:41.27 | johnsu01 | nods |
| 21:41.38 | mickeyl | good |
| 21:41.40 | dcordes | mickeyl: do you need any output, I can connect remotely? but that will set the modem in gprs mode |
| 21:41.42 | johnsu01 | though, I guess it's reasonable to just want to make the timer much longer in the case of using a keyboard |
| 21:41.44 | mickeyl | i'm not opposed to adding things when i see a usecase |
| 21:42.03 | johnsu01 | or, is the problem that the dim should consider input from sources like the keyboard |
| 21:42.27 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 21:42.33 | mickeyl | dim should actually honor BT keyboards |
| 21:42.38 | mickeyl | that would be the right way |
| 21:42.44 | mickeyl | (and my goal) |
| 21:42.47 | johnsu01 | yeah, I think so.. I think ab0oo is just looking for a temporary fix since it doesn't |
| 21:42.59 | johnsu01 | (and I'll be looking for the same fix once I get a keyboard ;) ) |
| 21:43.05 | mickeyl | agreed. temp. fix. is to edit conf file or send SetState("BUSY") all the time |
| 21:44.11 | mickeyl | i ordered an USB gender changer |
| 21:44.22 | mickeyl | once this comes, i will be able to do tests with USB keyboards as well |
| 21:44.54 | mickeyl | althought BT is slightly more involved probably, since this doesn't come in via stock input node |
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| 21:45.02 | johnsu01 | right |
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| 21:49.26 | rep | hi there |
| 21:49.58 | rep | is anybody here with experience on wpa_supplicant's dbus interface? |
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| 21:50.26 | rep | or at least with general experience with python-dbus? (as i want to control wpa_supplicant through dbus with python) |
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| 21:51.29 | rep | i have a problem with a dbus.Dictionary here... the method i try to call wants one of these, but it always complains about the wrong arguments altough i supply one |
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| 21:54.08 | enrico | Is there a way to always stop at the boot menu? I managed to set bootdelay=-1 and I have it stop at the openmoko sunrise logo, but then I can't see the menu (although I get a serial console) |
| 21:54.28 | enrico | Ideally, I'd like to configure the freerunner to always show the boot menu (like if I press power + aux) |
| 21:55.27 | mmontour | enrico: current u-boot should support that if you set an env variable, something like "setenv stop_in_menu yes" |
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| 21:56.15 | enrico | mmontour: I'll try that. Is there a list of such env variables? |
| 21:57.15 | enrico | mmontour: oh yes! It works |
| 21:57.26 | mmontour | There's a "Bootloader Environment" wiki page but I don't know if it's up-to-date |
| 21:58.11 | enrico | mmontour: thanks |
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| 22:03.03 | Infoport | mickeyl where did you order the USB gender changer? That is one I could use... I havent found good multi-adapter USB kits around here, and seems to be left out of ones I saw online |
| 22:04.04 | mickeyl | Mindfactory AG |
| 22:04.11 | mickeyl | 1 USB Gender Changer A Buchse an MiniA-5-Pin Stecker |
| 22:04.38 | enrico | Is there a way / plans to have the wlan interface work in mode master? At the moment, iwconfig eth0 mode master gives me Invalid argument |
| 22:04.52 | SpeedEvil | No |
| 22:05.03 | SpeedEvil | The firmware doesn't yet support it. |
| 22:05.08 | SpeedEvil | It's uncertain if it will. |
| 22:05.12 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it. |
| 22:05.15 | mickeyl | s/uncertain/unlikely/ |
| 22:05.16 | SpeedEvil | Also no preomisc mode |
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| 22:05.32 | enrico | SpeedEvil: I see. Is there a reason? |
| 22:05.52 | SpeedEvil | enrico: the chipset maker does not support that with their stock upload to the device firmware AIUI |
| 22:06.20 | enrico | SpeedEvil: ok |
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| 22:07.18 | eliasp | is anyone running one of the latest daily builds from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/ ?? i'm just trying them, hoping to get WLAN working... but didn't have success with the latest one (21), kernel fails on boot... |
| 22:09.06 | lpotter | Deubeuliou: qtopia is dependent on whether the at command works properly |
| 22:09.11 | Infoport | mickeyl ah...Mindfactory doesnt look like they do across-seas orders (or not easily for me, banks here dont change currency cheaply) I guess I'll keep looking |
| 22:10.40 | Zorkman | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJjNF36DfI (from linuxworld) |
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| 22:13.35 | Infoport | eliasp, I am running 20080820 I believe. I borked my OM2007 and then reflashed it the other morning. |
| 22:13.57 | eliasp | Infoport: just gut 0821 running using uImage from 0820.... |
| 22:14.41 | eliasp | yeeehaw, it is finding WLAN APs now! |
| 22:17.17 | eliasp | Infoport: where do i find 'backspace' on the new keyboard in 0820/21 ?? it's different than the one in 0808 where you just could use the gesture 'Left' |
| 22:18.18 | eliasp | ah, found it in the 'terminal' mode |
| 22:18.35 | Infoport | I think there is a full matchbox ketboard |
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| 22:19.24 | Infoport | Zorkman that video shows one with a silver case, with "FIC" instead of "Neo"-- where did that model come from? |
| 22:19.42 | mickeyl | that's probably the previous model |
| 22:19.44 | mickeyl | Neo1973 |
| 22:20.03 | eliasp | but did the 1973 already have GPS? |
| 22:20.05 | Zorkman | indeed |
| 22:20.42 | Infoport | mickeyl wasn't the Neo1973 either white/black or white/orange? |
| 22:20.43 | Zorkman | eliasp: yes it did |
| 22:20.54 | Zorkman | eliasp: it was another GPS unit though |
| 22:20.54 | mickeyl | Infoport: no, silver/black or white/orange |
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| 22:21.10 | Zorkman | I like the design of the FR more |
| 22:21.27 | Zorkman | (I really liked the color and feel, too bad I covered it up with a screen protector :( :)) |
| 22:21.44 | Zorkman | Everyone I met likes the design of the FR |
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| 22:21.58 | Infoport | *sigh* I wanted one, but had to wait for $$ at the last moment. I would have bought the orage however-- seems more geeky-prototype |
| 22:22.07 | Zorkman | (but it wouldn't hurt being a little thinner...) |
| 22:22.31 | UndrWater | i liked the orange |
| 22:22.40 | Infoport | did the Neo1973 say "FIC" or are they showing an _early_ prototype? |
| 22:22.52 | Zorkman | the neo1973 did say FIC |
| 22:23.20 | Zorkman | anyway, we didn't buy te phone for it looks! |
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| 22:23.43 | Zorkman | (we bought it for the good audio quality and 3d acceleration ;-)) |
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| 22:24.47 | Infoport | I LOVE the Lao Tsu quotation in the box-- great ideology, without bringing in controversial OSS figurehead (who I actually like too, but Tao is the Way) |
| 22:24.49 | eliasp | i bought it, because it's the most perfect phone for me ever (except the fact it is missing UMTS) |
| 22:25.19 | Zorkman | Infoport: I agree |
| 22:26.04 | Infoport | well I'd rather have an answer & hangup KEY, and a flip cover or a sliding cover like the N770, but I just keep telling myself I'll be able to afford another incarnation ALSO |
| 22:26.08 | Zorkman | I didn't order with pullster, but he shipped gummy bears with the phone, that I also liked :) |
| 22:27.38 | Infoport | actually, a sliding cover (that goes on back when open, like N770) could easily be a case mod |
| 22:28.55 | Zorkman | Infoport: but wouldn't aux=lock screen solve that withouth a case mod? |
| 22:29.29 | [Rui] | Zorkman: damn you for reminding me of the sweet gummy bears that are no longer! |
| 22:29.32 | [Rui] | :) |
| 22:29.33 | Infoport | Zorkman I'd like a thin cover that protected the screen |
| 22:29.51 | Zorkman | ah, I see |
| 22:30.09 | Zorkman | I bought a screenprotector, so I think it'll be fine |
| 22:30.12 | Infoport | I guess I can use a "screen protector" but I kind of like the protection of the hard cover |
| 22:30.25 | Zorkman | yeah, I understand |
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| 22:30.41 | Infoport | Xorkman the N770 also has a tiny magnet or something, so it can sense the cover on/off |
| 22:30.44 | Zorkman | I use an invisibleshield and it looks really strong on the phone... |
| 22:30.54 | Zorkman | that's handy indeed |
| 22:32.40 | lambda | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.07 | lambda | since i flashed my neo with ASU image I can't ssh it anymore :( |
| 22:33.34 | lambda | RSA host key for 192.168.0.202 has changed and you have requested strict checking. |
| 22:33.34 | lambda | Host key verification failed. |
| 22:33.48 | Infoport | I think I should buy a screenprotector in the meantime...either an expensive one like invisibleshield, or a cheap multipack I can change often |
| 22:33.57 | ezekiel-v3 | lambda, you need to remove that host key in your ".ssh/known_hosts" file |
| 22:34.12 | ezekiel-v3 | on your local workstation, not on the FreeRunner |
| 22:34.25 | Zorkman | Infoport: I bought the full body and it was 13euro, free shipping, not really expensive... |
| 22:34.30 | lambda | thx ezekiel-v3 |
| 22:34.32 | Infoport | lambda you can edit your config file on host to Strictblahbla no, remove the key |
| 22:34.57 | lindi- | Infoport: is the key generated on first boot? |
| 22:35.13 | ezekiel-v3 | the strict checking is a valuable security option - as you can see it keeps you from logging into a host that has been switched out from under you. |
| 22:35.18 | Infoport | lambda if the old key is gone, then just remove and go with new one, or pull the old one out of other OS and scp it over |
| 22:36.01 | Infoport | lambda, ezekiel-v3 is right -- if you change StrictKeyChecking you should change it back after solved |
| 22:36.28 | lindi- | i have alias "anonssh" for exec ssh -o'StrictHostkeychecking no' -o'userknownhostsfile /dev/null' "$@" |
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| 22:36.43 | lambda | i just do a `mv .ssh .ssh_old` |
| 22:36.56 | lambda | it fixed it up THX |
| 22:37.07 | ezekiel-v3 | haha, apparently you don't use ssh keys |
| 22:37.29 | ezekiel-v3 | glad you got it fixes |
| 22:37.29 | lambda | not from my laptop |
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| 22:37.36 | lambda | XD |
| 22:37.42 | Infoport | lindi- I think it is-- I know I have run into that with multiple OS boots, and I have to remove the offending key from known_hosts and then scp a copy of the initial key over so all OSes share it |
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| 22:39.18 | Infoport | lambda if you wiped out the previous OS, then you dont really need the old key-- it is gone anyway. I have several OS setup at once, so my PC says it is still the same machine with different keys and so I sync them |
| 22:40.52 | Infoport | lindi- first boot would make the most sense. it definitely does NOT require a manual step from user |
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| 22:41.59 | lindi- | Infoport: having it not change at all would be nicer :) |
| 22:43.20 | Infoport | lindi- it doesn't so much *change* as each OS is independent and makes its own (or a reflash makes it gone) I keep a copy on PC and sync it though |
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| 22:44.27 | Infoport | lindi- although my root pw doesnt change. hmmm. yeah maybe if the key could be kept there! |
| 22:46.14 | eliasp | shouldn't the Settings â WiFi module automatically obtain a network config using DHCP? it seems it does nothing here, although it displays the WiFi symbol as 'connected' near the clock at the top of the screen |
| 22:46.18 | Infoport | thank god for hot-swap batteries! my FR seems to run down the batteries while on USB :-( |
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| 22:47.54 | widrone | eliasp: Sure that icon means connected and just not "on"? Are you connected? |
| 22:48.16 | eliasp | widrone: 'Installer' keeps claiming i should check my network |
| 22:48.38 | eliasp | but i've entered my passphrase and the icon is shown... |
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| 22:48.50 | Infoport | eliasp you may have a conflict wit hthe "default gateway" setup by usb0. maybe ifdown usb0 and ifdown/ifup eth0 |
| 22:48.54 | eliasp | but as there isn't a terminal app in 2008.x i don't have a chance to check it really |
| 22:49.10 | eliasp | Infoport: won't work - no terminal .. ;( |
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| 22:49.30 | eliasp | but i'll try withouth USB plugged in, maybe it works then |
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| 22:50.13 | Infoport | eliasp there IS a terminal app, but you have to install it. It *should* be there to begin (not though), but you should do it first thing to make up for that |
| 22:50.24 | eliasp | yay, frozen in suspend... hard reset... |
| 22:50.46 | Infoport | eliasp suspend doesnt work well, you probably want to turn it off until fixed |
| 22:51.07 | eliasp | Infoport: yes, did it before i flashed this image... going to turn it off again |
| 22:51.24 | eliasp | Infoport: yeah, i'd like to install the terminal app... but this needs network first ;( |
| 22:51.39 | Infoport | eliasp I'd hard reset (I'm gonna wear out that notch on case), turn off suspend, and install terminal |
| 22:51.53 | Infoport | install terminal from USB0 networking |
| 22:52.34 | eliasp | uhm, usb0 networking can be configured without accessing a terminal on the FR? i have to re-read the docs.... |
| 22:53.04 | Infoport | eliasp yeah you should be able to ssh in and setup stuff from PC |
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| 22:54.31 | Infoport | "Steppin out, with my baby..." cigar and FR on the porch-- bbl |
| 22:59.48 | rep | is it a problem that i have a "wpa_supplicant -u" running the whole time and try to manually start another instance to associate to my wlan? the other process gets restarted if i kill it and i can't find the script starting it... i want to cope with wpa_supplicant myself and can't get the dbus interface to work :/ |
| 23:00.10 | rep | if i just start up another instance the association fails... at least for now |
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| 23:14.37 | aggtrfrad | cool, i ve been running Qtopia for 8 hours (with telephony (2calls)) and apm returns 79% battery |
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| 23:16.23 | lambda | nice |
| 23:16.36 | mwester | aggtrfrad: It would be interesting to let it run down and see how accurate apm might be... |
| 23:17.20 | lambda | Qtopia rocks better than ASU? |
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| 23:18.21 | aggtrfrad | for the moment its more usable, but ASU has a a different target than qtopia :) |
| 23:18.21 | mwester | has never observed either Qtopia or ASu play guitar, or drums, or any other musical instrument. |
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| 23:21.11 | aggtrfrad | my partitions on my sdhc card from my debian installation keep getting deleted every fckin time, anyone has the same prob? |
| 23:21.29 | aggtrfrad | i'll try update my u-boot |
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| 23:27.12 | aggtrfrad | is there any recomended u-boot version for debian? if not, whats the latest stable u-boot release? |
| 23:27.15 | tim_abell | i've put some pics of the freedom bluetooth keyboard i've just got if anyone's interested http://timwise.wikispaces.com/freedom+universal+keyboard click the flickr links for the rest |
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| 23:30.13 | widrone | aggtrfrad: So far, the installation has only been tested with an up-to-date uBoot (from 2008-08-05) |
| 23:30.27 | widrone | aggtrfrad: From http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner page. |
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| 23:33.39 | white_gecko | hello |
| 23:34.14 | white_gecko | i just wanted to ask my provider for my prepaied monay i have on the card |
| 23:34.30 | white_gecko | so i've caled "*100#" |
| 23:35.00 | white_gecko | but the fon caled a friend i she was sleaping |
| 23:35.09 | white_gecko | what is the problem? |
| 23:36.00 | widrone | hm, maybe your dialer app parsed that someway and accidentaly activated call to one of your contacts. |
| 23:36.24 | white_gecko | hm |
| 23:36.57 | white_gecko | but that is not good, how could i find out the problem, or should i file a bugreport somewhere? |
| 23:38.31 | swc|666 | aggtrfrad: i've still been using the same uboot from july |
| 23:38.46 | swc|666 | works fine or me |
| 23:39.35 | lpotter | apmactually works? |
| 23:39.51 | aggtrfrad | there's something wrong with the specific debian installation (from fso) cause i've tried dabian too many times and never had problems like that |
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| 23:42.41 | rwhitby | mmaestri: I believe ext2 is compiled into the kernel, hence no module. |
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| 23:43.18 | rwhitby | mmaestri: do cat /proc/filesystems to see what is supported |
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