| 00:05.13 | torindel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsYFXGKUIpE <- hmm instant iphone killer ;] |
| 00:06.08 | rwhitby | cjb: task-openmoko-sdk is in the shr feeds for fso-testing and fso-unstable |
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| 00:14.12 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07holger/org.openmoko.dev * r183a0d6e4656 10/ (82 files in 50 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' into holger/org.openmoko.dev |
| 00:18.36 | kd8ikt | torindel: making a gentoo openmoko image? |
| 00:21.27 | torindel | kd8ikt: yep |
| 00:22.53 | torindel | kd8ikt: any idea if we could put that on download.openmoko.org? ;] |
| 00:23.12 | kd8ikt | could just make a torrent |
| 00:23.48 | torindel | torrents falis if no one seeds |
| 00:23.55 | torindel | fails* |
| 00:24.17 | torindel | plus always after some time no one does -_- |
| 00:24.23 | kd8ikt | any X11 crap? |
| 00:24.36 | kd8ikt | or gsm |
| 00:24.40 | ieatlint | torindel, depending on the traffic/mo it would draw, i can host it |
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| 00:26.37 | kd8ikt | dunno how one goes about adding it to openmoko's download site |
| 00:27.05 | ieatlint | sexual favours perhaps |
| 00:27.14 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 00:27.24 | kd8ikt | gas grass or ass |
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| 00:30.36 | kd8ikt | i still prefer the torrent idea |
| 00:30.51 | torindel | kd8ikt: i'll make packages for kdrive too and some fso stuff at least |
| 00:30.51 | ieatlint | torrents are annoying |
| 00:33.29 | kd8ikt | i cant say i ever liked catalyst |
| 00:33.39 | torindel | kd8ikt: me neither |
| 00:33.53 | torindel | esp since it requires stage to build another stage |
| 00:34.32 | torindel | like it couldnt use what you actually have |
| 00:34.36 | kd8ikt | i messed with it a number of times all ended up in fail |
| 00:35.36 | kd8ikt | and docs are next to on existent |
| 00:36.15 | torindel | doesnt read docs anyway if he doesnt need to |
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| 00:38.28 | ljp | yaaaaawns |
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| 00:39.53 | mikef187 | yup... ummmhmmm |
| 00:41.36 | torindel | mikef187: ? ;] |
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| 00:43.15 | retracile | Has anyone here tried Debian on the FR? Any comments on how well it worked/didn't work? |
| 00:43.53 | kd8ikt | worked great but the zhone/freesmartphone didnt really make/recieve calls for me |
| 00:43.58 | mikef187 | Quite a few people have... there is a room |
| 00:44.11 | mikef187 | #openmoko-debian |
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| 00:44.57 | retracile | mikef187: Oh, right. I'd forgotten about that. |
| 00:45.08 | mikef187 | haha I just started it today |
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| 00:45.25 | retracile | mikef187: I'd seen a reference to it somewhere... |
| 00:45.55 | mikef187 | probably me blathering it at the mouth about it |
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| 00:46.29 | raster | blather away! |
| 00:47.03 | Pjj | is it just me or is the wifi in the neo really bad? |
| 00:47.28 | raster | in what way? |
| 00:48.13 | torindel | raster: lets start with antena and signal quality ;] |
| 00:48.25 | Pjj | high ping times for example (if I ping my gateway I have 80 + ms) |
| 00:48.29 | raster | aaah |
| 00:48.34 | raster | signal quality... |
| 00:48.50 | raster | well the signal quality reported by the kernel drivers is pretty bogus to start with |
| 00:48.56 | raster | in fact i'd just ignore it |
| 00:49.20 | ljp | geez the calypso is buggy |
| 00:49.21 | raster | BUT actualy "my connectin stops working in the room next to my AP on my R< but works just fine with my laptop" |
| 00:49.29 | raster | is a good way to measure :) |
| 00:49.36 | raster | ljp: you don't say! |
| 00:49.37 | raster | :) |
| 00:49.55 | Pjj | and I had some problems downloading, seems to be better now |
| 00:49.56 | ljp | even buggier than the greenphones modem |
| 00:49.59 | stevenSn | how about having to reboot if you try to reconnect to an AP after suspending with (at least for me, with ASU) |
| 00:50.15 | raster | ljp: maybe should have kept the greenphone! :) |
| 00:50.39 | raster | stevenSn: doesnt surprise me :) |
| 00:50.48 | raster | i dont bother with the wifi actually |
| 00:51.01 | raster | its mostly useless as i have nothing that uses it really |
| 00:51.10 | raster | and its too much trouble to get it to work |
| 00:51.12 | raster | :) |
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| 00:52.24 | Pjj | I got it to work rather easily |
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| 00:53.24 | ljp | raster: naa. the gp has its own problems. biggest one is being stuck at 2.4.19 |
| 00:53.35 | ljp | because of the mDoc |
| 00:53.53 | raster | ljp: oooh. really? |
| 00:53.56 | raster | thats not good |
| 00:54.22 | retracile | ljp: what's the mDoc? |
| 00:54.56 | ljp | disk on chip |
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| 00:55.33 | raster | ljp: you never were given source? |
| 00:55.39 | raster | or u just dont want to port? |
| 00:56.07 | ljp | proprietary |
| 00:56.32 | ljp | and the version in the kernel isn;t the one we need |
| 00:59.34 | raster | wait... |
| 00:59.44 | raster | a vendor supplid the kernel for you |
| 01:00.03 | raster | and thus to access flash - you need to use their modified/custom driver. right? |
| 01:00.17 | raster | is this driver a module or compiled into the kernel? |
| 01:00.20 | Pjj | hm while doing opkg upgrade every package gives a md5 mismatch error |
| 01:00.25 | raster | if compiled in.. you SHOULD have source |
| 01:00.35 | raster | if you don't - it'd be a gpl violation i think |
| 01:01.00 | raster | if you have source - it can be ported to a newer kernel - just a matter of work. |
| 01:01.44 | raster | if its a module - and you hsve some prioprietary bootloader that loads he kernel image and an initrd that contains the mdoc driver module - then..you'e in a bit of trouble |
| 01:02.53 | Pjj | " * Package kernel-modules md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'." hm any way to fix this (opkg update doesn't work ;) |
| 01:03.32 | ljp | raster: ya, that last one sounds like it |
| 01:03.41 | raster | ewww! |
| 01:03.57 | linuxxr | run the md5sums an see if they are good then report back |
| 01:03.58 | raster | so that means u'd have to reverse-enineer the binary module |
| 01:03.59 | ljp | we even had to have them modify the bootloader because of a violation |
| 01:03.59 | raster | possible |
| 01:04.02 | raster | but painful |
| 01:05.23 | raster | ljp: any reason they wouldnt supply source? |
| 01:05.30 | ljp | they couldnt |
| 01:06.01 | raster | they licensed/took/stole it from someone else? |
| 01:06.12 | ljp | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.13 | raster | (who restricted source)? |
| 01:06.34 | ljp | :) |
| 01:06.34 | raster | m-systems |
| 01:06.44 | raster | ahathe flash disk maker |
| 01:06.48 | raster | the flash disk maker - i mean |
| 01:07.08 | raster | so m-systems wrote a driver and released binaries only. |
| 01:07.33 | Pjj | where are the md5 files to compare to what I downloaded linuxxr ? |
| 01:07.33 | raster | makes mental notes - never do business with m-systems |
| 01:08.02 | linuxxr | they need to be right there |
| 01:08.33 | ljp | m-systems was bought by sandisk |
| 01:08.41 | linuxxr | roh said they were there a week ago |
| 01:08.56 | linuxxr | 2008.8? |
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| 01:10.11 | raster | ljp: oooh. moe mental notes |
| 01:10.14 | raster | more |
| 01:10.46 | ace-- | has anyone tried to use the gdb in opkg to debug a thumb application ? |
| 01:11.05 | linuxxr | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ |
| 01:11.09 | ace-- | for some reason it always crashes as soon as it enters thumb mode, but only in gdb |
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| 01:11.27 | linuxxr | Pjj u using qtopia? |
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| 01:11.36 | raster | ace--: thumbs up! |
| 01:11.41 | Pjj | no 2007.2 linuxxr |
| 01:12.17 | linuxxr | dangit not there |
| 01:12.28 | stevenSn | ace--: What do you mean by a thumb app? I had gdb running on qtmail yesterday with 2008.8 and was able to use my fingers to select things |
| 01:12.53 | raster | stevenSn: using the arm "thumb" instruction set extensions |
| 01:13.14 | ace-- | if you switch to thumb all instructions are 16 bit instead of 32 bit |
| 01:13.17 | retracile | stevenSn: it's a smaller instruction set within ARM.. 28 bits ore something |
| 01:13.21 | raster | (meant to allow for much smaller code sizes as the instruction opcodes are smaller) |
| 01:13.28 | stevenSn | sees |
| 01:13.45 | retracile | (ok, 16 bits, apparently. *sigh* Been a while since I read the ARM ARM.) |
| 01:14.03 | raster | armless |
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| 01:23.08 | rwhitby | raster: do you know whether openmoko uses the qte, qte-mt or qte-mt-static recipe from OE? I need to set the PREFERRED_PROVIDER to get rid of a warning message. |
| 01:23.12 | ieatlint | raster, congratulations on seemingly having the only wm that supports having multiple workspaces between 2 screens that change independent of each other (which is to say, i switched to e17) |
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| 01:24.24 | raster | rwhitby: uggh. dont know. zecke should |
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| 01:24.48 | raster | ieatlint: :) thats ben standard in e17 ever since... |
| 01:24.58 | raster | i wouldnt consider it any other way! |
| 01:25.15 | ieatlint | yeah, it always bothered me... it seems so intuitive that way |
| 01:26.43 | raster | i know |
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| 01:29.53 | linuxxr | im almost ready to use qtopia |
| 01:29.59 | MichaelShiloh | hi raster |
| 01:30.12 | linuxxr | rasters image work well? |
| 01:30.27 | linuxxr | ? |
| 01:30.30 | linuxxr | ? |
| 01:30.37 | ljp | no. dont use Qtopia. you'll think your using a phone |
| 01:31.07 | linuxxr | dangit mang |
| 01:31.28 | rooly | so...anyone else have a long wait period before the qtopia apps run fast enough to use as a phone? |
| 01:32.09 | torindel | ljp: and delete X and talk to gsm modem directly to call like the real mans do |
| 01:32.18 | linuxxr | rooly u got qtopia on sdcard? |
| 01:32.22 | rooly | no |
| 01:32.24 | rooly | flashed in |
| 01:32.26 | ljp | qtopia already deleted X :) |
| 01:32.37 | ljp | dont need no stinkin' X |
| 01:32.47 | linuxxr | hacker |
| 01:32.55 | ljp | I'm still waiting for ncurses phone |
| 01:32.56 | rooly | yeah, like that movie from the 90's |
| 01:33.19 | rooly | with the oil tanker and the 3d filesystem browser... |
| 01:33.49 | linuxxr | so if i mount qtopia on sd am i gonna have to deal with floating mount points an such? |
| 01:34.10 | torindel | ljp: open minicom to gsm modem and feel the powah under your fingers ;] |
| 01:34.14 | rooly | got his 8-gigger in |
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| 01:34.42 | linuxxr | so u can tare up an 8 gig |
| 01:35.02 | rooly | actually, i was gonna use it to download the entire world from OSM |
| 01:35.08 | rooly | and then put 5 gigs of music |
| 01:35.23 | hipitihop | anyone have navit running on fso-testing ? |
| 01:36.29 | linuxxr | the sdcard needs to be ext3 to put music on rooly? |
| 01:36.40 | linuxxr | of fat? |
| 01:36.54 | rooly | fat will work out of the box |
| 01:36.55 | raster | MichaelShiloh: yo yo! |
| 01:36.59 | rooly | ext is for booting |
| 01:37.03 | linuxxr | oo |
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| 01:39.36 | MichaelShiloh | raster: i'm about to try your image of 8/15 |
| 01:39.58 | Pjj | even if I download something like this : opkg install http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.2-r1_armv4t.ipk it gives me an md5 missmatch error, anyway to just force to install it? |
| 01:41.05 | raster | i so need to actually make a good image |
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| 01:41.14 | raster | that is just "what i'm working on" |
| 01:41.30 | jadams | can anyone here give me hints on what I could do to fix the echo problem? I have a gta01 |
| 01:42.02 | mmontour | jadams: turn down the Mic2 gain, and shout. |
| 01:42.18 | jadams | mmontour, I'll give it a shot |
| 01:43.55 | mmontour | I'm not aware of a real fix for the problem - for now it's a trade-off between low echo, and being able to hear each other talking. |
| 01:45.40 | jadams | mmontour, is that mic side? |
| 01:46.00 | jadams | is there any known open source echo cancellation routine? |
| 01:46.15 | jadams | nm |
| 01:46.16 | jadams | http://www.rowetel.com/ucasterisk/oslec.html |
| 01:46.33 | rwhitby | jadams: did you find the python patches for gta01 fso gllin tango? |
| 01:47.07 | russellb | waiiiit a second |
| 01:47.19 | rwhitby | hipitihop: navit is in the fso-testing and fso-unstable feeds, but I haven't tried it. |
| 01:47.21 | russellb | OSLEC is line echo canceller, hence the LEC part |
| 01:47.31 | russellb | not an acoustic echo canceller ... |
| 01:48.17 | jadams | russellb, sorry, right |
| 01:48.28 | mmontour | normally the audio path is analog only, but it might be possible to route it through ADC/DAC to process it digitally. would add some latency though. |
| 01:48.32 | jadams | rwhitby, nope, if you messaged me it was my machine at work |
| 01:48.40 | russellb | jadams: no need to be sorry, just trying to be helpful :) |
| 01:48.59 | rwhitby | jadams: fso trac tickets 49 and 50 |
| 01:49.01 | jadams | rwhitby, do the patches make the gps Just Work in fso-testing? |
| 01:49.04 | russellb | though now you have me wondering who distributes an acoustic echo can ... |
| 01:49.08 | rwhitby | jadams: yes |
| 01:49.15 | russellb | i've never actually needed one for one of my projects .. |
| 01:49.43 | jadams | rwhitby, awesome |
| 01:49.44 | rwhitby | tries to remember why he was trying to compile python-pygame yesterday, cause mickey fixed it overnight ... |
| 01:49.46 | hipitihop | rwhitby, yes I have installed from testing, and it loads fine, but do not get any gps signals. this may not be navit's problem though as I don't think I have managed to get nything with gps running on my gta02 |
| 01:50.14 | rwhitby | hipitihop: does the zhone gps app show you anything? |
| 01:51.05 | jadams | rwhitby, where's the fso trac? docs.openmoko.org? |
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| 01:51.24 | rockstar | is sad to see the most recent firmware seems to be mating everything uglier |
| 01:51.25 | jadams | rwhitby, arg nm |
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| 01:51.31 | rockstar | s/mating/making |
| 01:51.52 | linuxxr | sdebian |
| 01:52.00 | torindel | rockstar: which firmware? |
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| 01:52.22 | rwhitby | hipitihop: you should be able to see gypsy dbus signals using dbus-monitor --system |
| 01:52.42 | rwhitby | jadams: that's also how you can tell whether gps is working on gta01 after the patches |
| 01:53.22 | rwhitby | adds openvpn and python-pygame to task-openmoko-feed |
| 01:53.35 | jadams | rwhitby, so if it's still not working, it's broken hardware? |
| 01:53.48 | jadams | rwhitby, I was able to see satellites before, 2007.2-era, but never got a lock |
| 01:54.17 | linuxxr | im going to laugh if debian works out of the box |
| 01:54.30 | rockstar | torindel, 2008.08 |
| 01:55.00 | rwhitby | jadams: it works well here. very first lock takes a long time, but gllin saves some .DAT files for quicker first lock after that and then it's very fast. |
| 01:55.19 | torindel | linuxxr: its not fun if something works out of the box ;] |
| 01:55.40 | linuxxr | specialy debian |
| 01:55.45 | jadams | rwhitby, I wasn't able to get debian pkg-fso working with the gta01 |
| 01:56.05 | torindel | for me clean first lock takes about 140 seconds with sdcard |
| 01:56.15 | rwhitby | jadams: glad I didn't waste my time then :-) |
| 01:56.40 | linuxxr | Running cdebootstrap to install th |
| 01:56.40 | linuxxr | I: Can't find keyring debian-archive- |
| 01:56.40 | linuxxr | P: Retrieving Release |
| 01:56.40 | linuxxr | P: Retrieving Release.gpg |
| 01:56.41 | linuxxr | W: Couldn't validate Release! |
| 01:56.43 | linuxxr | P: Parsing Release |
| 01:56.54 | rwhitby | jadams: one thing - mickey|zzZZzz tests FSO on a gta01, so that's why I have good confidence that fso will be the best distro for the gta01 long term. I expect all other distros will eventually ignore it. |
| 01:56.59 | linuxxr | i hope thats not a problem |
| 01:57.07 | rwhitby | (since no-one at OM seems to have a GTA01) |
| 01:57.37 | KenYoung | rwhitby, Which is amazing. |
| 01:58.05 | linuxxr | i juxt bought a 2 gig since im so goods at trashing things |
| 01:58.25 | rwhitby | if you had a plentiful supply of gta02, and gta02 eval boards arriving, why would you keep gta01's around as a distraction ? |
| 01:58.33 | rwhitby | gta03 eval boards I mean |
| 01:58.58 | pjz | I would consider a gta03 if it were an armv5 |
| 01:59.07 | KenYoung | rwhitby, I'd keep them around, to ensure my new software still ran on them. |
| 01:59.09 | pjz | camera & etc? enh, not worth it really |
| 01:59.24 | pjz | KenYoung: yah, you'd think QA at least would keep a few |
| 01:59.32 | rwhitby | a business can't afford to do that |
| 02:00.01 | rwhitby | openmoko is not your regular open source project, it's a business that needs to make money in some timeframe |
| 02:00.09 | pjz | rwhitby: they'd manage to afford it if they had 100k's of them in the field that they were supposed to be supporting |
| 02:00.21 | rwhitby | pjz: I disagree. |
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| 02:00.45 | linuxxr | they better get to ironing if they want the masses to get onboard |
| 02:00.47 | jadams | rwhitby, did you try pkg-fso with vfat? I didn't have to do vfat for my old debian, but I tried anyway |
| 02:00.54 | jadams | got bad magic number errors |
| 02:00.59 | jadams | what was your mode of failure? |
| 02:00.59 | rwhitby | jadams: I went straight to ext2 |
| 02:01.09 | hipitihop | rwhitby, sorry had to go outside to verify... yes zhone whos about 5 staelites and managed to get tangoGps going now. no luck in nabit |
| 02:01.13 | pjz | rwhitby: really? you think apple has any 2G iPhones around? |
| 02:01.17 | rwhitby | actually, I had a typo in my rootfstype, and didn't bother going further :-) |
| 02:01.19 | hipitihop | s/nabit/navit |
| 02:01.26 | jadams | I started off ext2 I'm assuming, I think that's what I formatted it for for debian the first time |
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| 02:01.58 | rwhitby | pjz: apple has a different motivation to support 2g iphones compared to OM's motivation to support a measly number of gta01's in the field |
| 02:02.44 | hipitihop | is happy to see any gps working on his gta02 now. time to get some work done |
| 02:02.50 | KenYoung | Does anyone know how many gta01s were sold? I heard 5,000. |
| 02:02.52 | pjz | rwhitby: righ, which is what I meant when I said that OM would manage to afford to keep a few GTA01s around if they had hundreds of thousands of them in the field they wanted to keep supporting |
| 02:03.10 | mmontour | OM should offer a program to trade in gta01s for a discount on the FR, just to get some units for dev/testing |
| 02:03.14 | pjz | rwhitby: as it is, I can't really fault them much for not paying a lot of attention |
| 02:03.20 | rwhitby | pjz: ah, yes if they had that many in the field it might make a difference |
| 02:03.43 | pjz | anyone know what total number of GTA01s produced was? |
| 02:04.25 | linuxxr | need to know |
| 02:04.38 | linuxxr | basis |
| 02:04.54 | linuxxr | no need to know |
| 02:05.21 | pjz | linuxxr: why would that be need-to-know? |
| 02:05.32 | rwhitby | less than 10K I would expect |
| 02:05.52 | pjz | is mostly interested in how many GTA02s relative to GTA01s have been/are being made |
| 02:06.11 | pjz | because the poor treatment of the GTA01 may herals the same for the GTA02 upon GTA03 release |
| 02:06.20 | pjz | s/herals/herald/ |
| 02:06.37 | linuxxr | y yae |
| 02:06.42 | pjz | apt: thanks |
| 02:06.42 | apt | my pleasure, pjz |
| 02:06.52 | jadams | does anyone know if FSO has plans to provide an API for merging calls? Seems not to refuse multiple calls when I look at the API, but also I couldn't initialize two at once I noticed :) |
| 02:07.07 | jadams | not that I expect to any time soon, just curious if it's being planned for with the API spec rollout |
| 02:07.33 | rockstar | Any python-efl guys around? |
| 02:07.36 | linuxxr | how big is the debian install? |
| 02:07.57 | rwhitby | linuxxr: apparently it just fits on the 512MB card |
| 02:08.05 | linuxxr | ooo |
| 02:08.09 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:08.50 | linuxxr | if it works ok i might flash it |
| 02:08.53 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.12 | pjz | jadams: I didn't think a single SIM could initiate two individual calls |
| 02:09.34 | jadams | pjz, maybe it can't, in which case meh...my question can be ignored either way :) |
| 02:09.57 | jadams | pjz, I was under the impression the iphone, for instance, could do that no prob |
| 02:10.04 | pjz | jadams: though I guess there's the "3-way calling" thing... hrm |
| 02:10.22 | rwhitby | latest openmoko kernel has the following compile error: arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/built-in.o:(.data+0x129c): undefined reference to `ts_filter_median_api' |
| 02:10.26 | rooly | oy... |
| 02:10.31 | pjz | jadams: I'd bet there's a special way to initiate a 2nd call with the telco doing the channel merging |
| 02:10.34 | rooly | i wish i didn't need to write a bluetooth controlling app |
| 02:10.52 | rooly | is there any way to moniter the phone part's status? |
| 02:10.56 | rwhitby | pjz: I can do two gsm calls at the same time fine |
| 02:10.59 | rwhitby | (on a Treo) |
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| 02:11.16 | pjz | rwhitby: really? hrm, intreesting. |
| 02:11.36 | rooly | rwhitby, how might i moniter call status |
| 02:11.38 | rwhitby | yep, put one on hold, ring the other, merge them, unmerge them, etc |
| 02:12.04 | rwhitby | rooly: why do you ask me specifically? |
| 02:12.15 | rooly | cause you seem to know more than i |
| 02:12.20 | rooly | and you're quite vocal |
| 02:13.13 | rwhitby | that's not a reason to prefix a general question with someone's name, when you've just asked the same question in the channel. |
| 02:13.48 | rooly | your right. scratch the first one |
| 02:14.00 | rwhitby | you realise that prefixing with a name like that will make the recipient's window flash, indicating that someone is directing a message to them. |
| 02:14.17 | rooly | yup |
| 02:14.22 | rooly | and indeed i was doing as such |
| 02:15.22 | pjz | rooly: your 'monitor call status' question is a bit general - I think a proper answer requires more knowledge about what distro you're using |
| 02:15.42 | pjz | rooly: FSO tends to do everything with dbus, so that's probably the answer there |
| 02:16.08 | rwhitby | here's a tip - unless you have a good reason to believe that the person you're specifically asking has such knowledge, instead of specifically asking anyone in the channel who happens to be talking, it's considered impolite (at least by me) |
| 02:16.16 | rooly | right. basically, i want to write a bluetooth management gui and daemon for headsets |
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| 02:17.02 | rwhitby | (especially after you've just asked the question generally in the channel, and if I'd known the answer you would have expected that I would have answered it there) |
| 02:17.08 | pjz | rooly: good for you. That doesn't have a lot to do with call status. a good place to start is proabably the desktop bt-headset stuff. |
| 02:17.10 | ljp | bluetooth? whats that? |
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| 02:17.35 | pjz | rooly: also, rwhitby's right, it's rude to direct questions to people after you'v ejust asked the question to the channel |
| 02:17.37 | rwhitby | ljp: a cheap way to not incur GPRS charges when your GTA01 is in the home or office ... |
| 02:18.22 | rooly | pjz, i'd like it to be able to auto-forward calls to the headset. and i'll need to determine if a call is incoming to do so |
| 02:19.40 | rwhitby | rooly: you still haven't said what distro you're asking about |
| 02:19.45 | pjz | rooly: again with the distro-specific stuff. |
| 02:20.10 | rooly | apologies |
| 02:20.13 | rooly | 2008.8 |
| 02:20.21 | rwhitby | dunnos |
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| 02:21.17 | pjz | rooly: more than likely the answer is something like libgsmd-tool, I think |
| 02:21.27 | rooly | righto |
| 02:21.58 | pjz | rooly: as you might know if you were to do a minimal amount of searching on the wiki |
| 02:22.50 | rooly | gotta love it when someone calls you a nublet, eh? |
| 02:24.10 | KenYoung | It's my dream to someday rise to nublet level. |
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| 02:31.33 | pjz | anyone done an opkg upgrade on 2008.8 with zecke feeds lately? |
| 02:32.40 | alphabeat | pjz: i have. using the testing feed |
| 02:33.01 | pjz | alphabeat: so it's safe today? :) |
| 02:34.01 | alphabeat | everything seems fine ;) few errors abouts gtk+ wanting to install files which already exist but that's it |
| 02:34.31 | alphabeat | have you had errors in the past pjz? |
| 02:35.28 | pjz | alphabeat: no, but I've not done many update/upgrades |
| 02:35.57 | mikef187 | FYI moko in spanish means booger |
| 02:36.29 | pjz | alphabeat: I heard about some kind of kernel kerfluffle on the mailing list, not sure what feed that was from though |
| 02:36.44 | KenYoung | snot important. |
| 02:36.45 | alphabeat | ah true. well nothing out of the ordinary for me. YMMV though |
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| 02:45.25 | mikef187 | KenYoung: lpl |
| 02:45.34 | pjz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.54 | KenYoung | mikef187, I don't understand that message. |
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| 02:52.40 | linuxxr | Complaints have included dropped calls, abrupt network switches, poor reception, and service interruptions. |
| 02:52.49 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:55.15 | linuxxr | a u-boot? |
| 02:56.25 | linuxxr | does debian look like zhone? |
| 02:59.17 | linuxxr | so debian should run good from a sdcard? |
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| 03:04.44 | widrone | linuxxr: Did you have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner ? Loads of questions answered there. |
| 03:06.26 | retracile | linuxxr: and a few of us in #openmoko-debian |
| 03:07.10 | linuxxr | ok |
| 03:07.13 | linuxxr | sorry |
| 03:07.52 | retracile | linuxxr: It's not off-topic here either, but might give you better results. |
| 03:08.17 | linuxxr | just seems to be going slow on the install but its 500 megs i guess |
| 03:08.36 | linuxxr | im following that guide |
| 03:09.15 | linuxxr | freerunner showed a couuple errors that it said were ugly other than that its still going |
| 03:11.12 | widrone | silly webshop ate my order, guess its back to waiting a couple of more days for me. |
| 03:12.56 | Infoport | hmm... after installing the Gestures app in 2008.8 on SD, my main OM2007 system wont boot. I get evbug.o errors |
| 03:16.36 | Infoport | oops, kernel panic on 2008.8 boot...starting to look bad |
| 03:18.05 | linuxxr | flash |
| 03:20.04 | ljp | you forgot to push the 'Don't Panic' button |
| 03:20.52 | Infoport | weird...OM2007 seems to be booting from NOR. Still, I think I have "customized" these distros to their end. Something will prob need to be reflashed |
| 03:22.27 | rwhitby | jadams: did you get the GPS python patches ok? |
| 03:22.38 | jadams | rwhitby, I have to apply them tomorrow |
| 03:22.40 | jadams | from work |
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| 03:22.48 | jadams | my main laptop at home has massive failures, but it works |
| 03:23.01 | jadams | but basically, there's an APIC error on the CPU that breaks USB occasionally, other things |
| 03:23.23 | jadams | and I'd have to reboot to get it fixed, and I'm watching a video on xen vs. vmware performance (http://media.brianmadden.com/briforumplayer/bfplayerdynamic.asp?id=323&sparky=1) |
| 03:23.30 | jadams | hence, no reboot, so tomorrow |
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| 03:24.14 | jadams | rwhitby, but I'll let you know how it goes |
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| 03:30.21 | SUNWjoejaxx | nice |
| 03:30.27 | SUNWjoejaxx | openvpn on the openmoko |
| 03:30.28 | SUNWjoejaxx | lol |
| 03:30.54 | SUNWjoejaxx | that was fun |
| 03:31.28 | Infoport | nope, OM2007 boot is borked too. I get [ 145.45000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcs3 (and then for vcsa3, then vcs2, then vcsa2) |
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| 03:37.58 | linuxxr | debian didnt boot |
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| 03:45.24 | slaxxin | uimage |
| 03:45.42 | slaxxin | wth |
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| 03:45.44 | slaxxin | debian uimage faliure |
| 03:45.44 | slaxxin | ok gonna try the 2gig |
| 03:46.12 | rwhitby | DocScrutinizer: can you get Andy to look at bug #1843 - looks like wiml has solved the u-boot dfu upload problem |
| 03:49.10 | Infoport | damn...I guess I'll start to reflash and see when it starts working again |
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| 03:50.11 | mikef187 | Any one ready to sell me a freerunner ? |
| 03:55.09 | ljp | broken or good one? |
| 03:55.10 | mmontour | mikef187: the guys at koolu.com are probably ready to sell you one. |
| 03:56.16 | ieatlint | they're canadians though |
| 03:56.22 | ieatlint | so they only barter in souls |
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| 03:56.52 | ljp | beer |
| 03:56.55 | mmontour | s/souls/seal pelts/ |
| 03:57.08 | ljp | they are like aussies.. give em beer |
| 03:57.12 | ieatlint | beer, soul... same difference |
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| 04:00.41 | doc|home | ieatlint: only because the dollar's losing value : |
| 04:00.43 | doc|home | :) |
| 04:01.49 | Infoport | lucky for me I kept testing that backup script for dfu-util :-D hopefully it doesnt make me have to revert as far |
| 04:02.04 | ieatlint | capitalist bastards |
| 04:03.26 | Infoport | yeah, now we are Canada's Mexico...come vacation for cheap!! |
| 04:03.54 | ieatlint | oh no food poisoning, and our parties aren't as awesome |
| 04:06.13 | rooly | ieatlint, i'm gonna do it then |
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| 04:07.00 | rooly | that is, i'm gonna write a bluetooth gui and daemon for auto-forwarding to headsets |
| 04:07.40 | UndrWater | rooly: for asu? |
| 04:07.44 | rooly | yes |
| 04:07.51 | ieatlint | sounds good |
| 04:08.08 | UndrWater | rooly: have you gotten a BT headseat to work in a call? (sorry if you visited this already) |
| 04:09.09 | rooly | nope |
| 04:09.10 | rooly | not yet |
| 04:09.17 | rooly | just got one a little while ago |
| 04:09.49 | UndrWater | i can get music to play to headset...but not gsm yet |
| 04:10.29 | ieatlint | the way to get calls over bt is weird |
| 04:10.38 | ieatlint | it's explained on the wiki, at least partially |
| 04:10.57 | ieatlint | there's a direct connection between the audio codec and bt module it seems |
| 04:11.40 | UndrWater | it goes way over my head ;) |
| 04:13.22 | johnsu01 | UndrWater: I'm looking at mixer settings trying to get sound to play now... |
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| 04:13.32 | johnsu01 | sound as in music |
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| 04:14.44 | ieatlint | it's not a setting in the mixer |
| 04:15.08 | ieatlint | for playing pcm, the bt headset will appear like its own audio card |
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| 04:25.17 | UndrWater | johnsu01: i used a gentoo-wiki ( i think?) page to help me out) |
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| 05:10.34 | johnsu01 | hm, got headphone sound playing vorbis but only in one ear |
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| 05:12.15 | undrwater | johnsu01: a2dp? |
| 05:12.33 | johnsu01 | undrwater: no, just in the headphone jack... got it working now, just fiddling with alsamixer |
| 05:12.49 | undrwater | johnsu01: ahh! :) |
| 05:12.51 | johnsu01 | needed to mute amp spk |
| 05:13.07 | undrwater | did that break anything else? |
| 05:13.14 | johnsu01 | don't know yet :) |
| 05:14.42 | johnsu01 | sounds pretty good though |
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| 05:33.20 | Pyrasi | hello all |
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| 05:39.04 | undrwater | hello Pyrasi |
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| 05:46.34 | aggtrfrad | E: Internal error: install |
| 05:46.41 | aggtrfrad | very helpfull message |
| 05:47.10 | undrwater | aggtrfrad: opkg? |
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| 05:47.21 | aggtrfrad | debian installation script |
| 05:47.59 | rwhitby | use sh -x to run it |
| 05:48.40 | aggtrfrad | no man i run it but in the midle of packages installation it returns this error |
| 05:49.09 | johnsu01 | I ran into that one a couple times tonight while trying to start from the debian stage... but the 3rd time, I restarted from the beginning and it worked fine |
| 05:49.11 | aggtrfrad | may cause i run qtopia |
| 05:51.43 | aggtrfrad | ill try manually , onr step at a time |
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| 05:53.23 | aggtrfrad | i get this warnings though before the errer: Can't find keyring debian-archive-keyring.gpg -and- W: Couldn't validate Release! |
| 05:53.32 | aggtrfrad | did ya get those too? |
| 05:54.17 | johnsu01 | yes |
| 05:54.26 | johnsu01 | I think those are discussed in the instructions, aren't they? |
| 05:55.11 | johnsu01 | hm, no, guess I was confusing it with the om instructions |
| 05:55.20 | aggtrfrad | they are not in openmoko's wiki or the debians wiki |
| 05:55.35 | johnsu01 | I'm sure that's just because the keyring isn't installed yet |
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| 05:56.14 | aggtrfrad | yeah, but anyway i wish i'd get a most specific error message than that.. |
| 05:56.48 | johnsu01 | I didn't see that install error the first 12 times I ran the installer, then suddenly I saw it twice today |
| 05:56.48 | `6og | how can it be more specific? |
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| 05:58.05 | aggtrfrad | P: Configuring package apt |
| 05:58.05 | aggtrfrad | P: Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-apt |
| 05:58.05 | aggtrfrad | E: Internal error: install |
| 05:58.53 | `6og | until i have a big enough sd card to install debian i can only provide limited help |
| 05:59.11 | `6og | although a pastebin of the full error and related info would hlep |
| 05:59.32 | aggtrfrad | thats all the info :) |
| 06:00.04 | `6og | doesnt belive iyou |
| 06:00.17 | johnsu01 | can vouch for that |
| 06:00.21 | aggtrfrad | there is a script that aoutomaticaly downloads installs and configures debian+packages into the micto sd |
| 06:00.50 | `6og | i thougth there was one on the debian wiki page |
| 06:00.53 | aggtrfrad | cant spell |
| 06:01.25 | aggtrfrad | there is a new official release that comes with zhone from fso |
| 06:02.48 | aggtrfrad | heh it worked this time :) |
| 06:02.52 | aggtrfrad | weird.. |
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| 06:04.51 | lindi- | `6og: i installed it to 512M just fine for the first time |
| 06:05.02 | lindi- | `6og: even managed to fit gdb and zile there :) |
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| 06:05.44 | `6og | lindi-: my mate intsalled it and said he had 2mb left over. i figured i'd wait until i had a larger card :) |
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| 06:21.09 | lindi- | `6og: he probably installed something extra or used "df -h" to measure how much space is left |
| 06:21.25 | LuYu | is anybody using 2008.8 |
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| 06:21.40 | LuYu | the keyboard is about to drive me insane |
| 06:22.34 | LuYu | is there even a backspace? |
| 06:23.33 | undrwater | LuYu: read the wiki about the kb |
| 06:23.50 | undrwater | slid your finger from right to left...that's your backspace |
| 06:24.00 | LuYu | i was using rasters image |
| 06:24.15 | undrwater | LuYu: ahhh...i think it works basically the same |
| 06:24.18 | LuYu | but it appears that the installer replaced the keyboard without my permission |
| 06:24.30 | LuYu | wheres the backspace key? |
| 06:24.43 | undrwater | did you try the left slide? |
| 06:24.55 | LuYu | i tapped all over the screen |
| 06:25.02 | LuYu | is it a specific spot? |
| 06:25.03 | undrwater | did you slide? |
| 06:25.20 | undrwater | place your finger on the right side of the keyboard...then slide towards the left |
| 06:25.38 | LuYu | hold on |
| 06:25.41 | LuYu | ill try again |
| 06:26.21 | LuYu | hmmm |
| 06:26.36 | LuYu | all the programs are refusing to load now |
| 06:26.39 | LuYu | grrr |
| 06:26.42 | LuYu | ill have to reboot |
| 06:26.53 | undrwater | maybe bad image |
| 06:27.04 | LuYu | hmmm |
| 06:27.12 | LuYu | i dont know |
| 06:27.21 | LuYu | none of the images seem to be stable |
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| 06:27.29 | undrwater | no md5sums? |
| 06:27.34 | LuYu | but i was accepting that cause i sort of thought it was the point |
| 06:27.54 | LuYu | i used rasters image |
| 06:27.58 | LuYu | its non standard |
| 06:28.03 | LuYu | it came with a better keyboard |
| 06:28.14 | LuYu | but somehow the keyboard reverted |
| 06:28.18 | undrwater | i know....i saw it on the lists...but apparently it's supposed to be more stable that standard asu |
| 06:28.20 | LuYu | i suspect the installer did it |
| 06:28.21 | aggtrfrad | im not sure this script i right :/ i think some parts of it shoult be run from the debian installation eg. Not creating home directory `/var/run/dbus'. |
| 06:28.21 | aggtrfrad | Can't start system message bus - /proc is not mounted failed! |
| 06:28.41 | LuYu | well, it didnt exactly crash |
| 06:28.50 | LuYu | and it didnt exactly freeze |
| 06:29.07 | LuYu | and the standard 2008.8 image did both of those frequently |
| 06:29.13 | LuYu | so, maybe it is more stable |
| 06:33.11 | LuYu | i like the fact that 2008.8 has screen locking, though |
| 06:33.17 | LuYu | thats a total improvement |
| 06:33.38 | undrwater | how's raster's suspend? |
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| 06:56.30 | methril | morning |
| 06:56.51 | undrwater | almost |
| 07:00.08 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:00.21 | Infoport | ouch! trying to restore/reflash the u-boot backup made by dfu-util gives me the error "state(10) = dfuERROR, status(1) = File is not targeted for use by this device" |
| 07:01.23 | Infoport | it seems like the "backup" has some issues in actually being used |
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| 07:01.57 | ieatlint | Infoport, or the backup is invalid |
| 07:02.22 | cjb | posts http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-August/001336.html |
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| 07:02.30 | undrwater | anyone get maps for navit? |
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| 07:05.33 | Infoport | ieatlint sure, that's what I meant. the "backup" was made using dfu-util, and it seemed to complete OK, but this is the first time I've tried to restore it |
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| 07:07.34 | Infoport | cjb sounds great! I played with Paul's program today (after which my Neo wouldnt boot from any OS, maybe coincidence) and I thought that the rotation was the most currently practical (the other movements just report the gesture made, currently more proof-of-concept) |
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| 07:20.43 | Infoport | well that was a learning moment-- NONE of my 3 backups of u-boot worked, all said File is not targeted for use by this device. Flashing a previously downloaded copy had no error |
| 07:21.24 | Infoport | hopefully this boot wont freeze at the splash screen (though maybe it is another section failing?) |
| 07:21.50 | ieatlint | did you screw up your uboot, or what? |
| 07:22.04 | ieatlint | i mean, what is it you're trying to accomplish? |
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| 07:25.08 | Infoport | ieatlint yeah after using the Gestures (coincidence?) all my distros won't boot, getting kernel panic or another error about NoBus:vca3, etc, so I am trying to restore sections until they work |
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| 07:28.21 | Infoport | ieatlint: not really sure what got borked, but reflashing "backup" version of kernel and rootfs hasnt fixed it, so now I'm going to downloaded copies. Reflashing "backup" u-boot gave me an error while flashing though |
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| 07:31.55 | rwhitby | you can backup by copying /dev/mtdblock partitions from linux userspace |
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| 07:34.11 | Infoport | ieatlint WAIT, no a full battery seems to be booting (wasnt getting uboot menu even) Could a *low* battery have been partially booting and giving error? |
| 07:36.08 | Infoport | if I get the first Openmoko splash screen (no progress bar, no "Please wait") that means the issue is AFTER uboot, in kernel or rootfs, right? |
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| 07:39.25 | Infoport | are the brass MB spacers with the debug board so that you can mount it in your own box? I'm starting to wish I could see the errors behind the scenes |
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| 07:47.14 | Zorkman | is there a way to enable accelerometers in 2007.2? i tried everything on the gestures page, but accelerometers seem not to work |
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| 07:52.31 | Infoport | anybody buy the debug board? what do you do with all the brass MB spacers? (hex bolts with threaded hole on head) Seems to be more than needed even to make protective "legs" and posts above the board |
| 07:54.09 | ieatlint | sorry, i've been busy working on a couple other projects so i didn't reply |
| 07:54.15 | ieatlint | don't worry about the spacers |
| 07:54.36 | ieatlint | just attach the jtag to the phone and the miniusb on the debug board to your computer and your good |
| 07:55.13 | ieatlint | but if you can see the kernel panic on the neo's screen... you aren't likely to get any new info on the serial console |
| 07:55.34 | Infoport | ieatlint I already screwed some on below and above, and was considering which empty cereal box would be best :-D |
| 07:56.04 | Infoport | ieatlint now the main, in-phone OS is booting to the first splash screen and staying there |
| 07:56.30 | ieatlint | does ssh start? |
| 07:57.25 | Infoport | ieatlint: no ssh isnt responding (didnt think it would-- that first screen has usually been too early to ssh in) |
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| 07:58.08 | ieatlint | then yeah, the serial console could help in that situation |
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| 08:00.47 | ieatlint | ok, i'm off to get some food, bb in a little bit |
| 08:02.31 | Zorkman | hexdump /dev/input/event2 and event3 returns nothing, anytbody else have this problem? |
| 08:02.48 | Zorkman | i'm having it on 2007.2 and on 080813 |
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| 08:09.37 | Infoport | funny-- there was a small sticker with a red X over the top of one torx screw...so it is obvious if someone opened the case? |
| 08:11.35 | rwhitby | yes |
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| 08:13.58 | SachaS | hi openmoko project |
| 08:14.27 | SachaS | for the linux day 2008 in dornbirn austria we are looking for a) openmoko presentation and maybe b) an openmoko booth |
| 08:14.39 | SachaS | Links: http://www.lugv.eu/ |
| 08:14.47 | SachaS | Links: http://www.lugv.eu/cfp.html |
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| 08:15.10 | SachaS | I tried to contact the openmoko user group switzerland (via the openmoko wiki) but without any success. so i try it here. |
| 08:15.25 | Unclejack | hi all |
| 08:15.40 | Zorkman | there are some austrians in this channel, but forgot what there nicks are |
| 08:15.44 | Zorkman | llo unclejack |
| 08:15.53 | SachaS | Zorkman: thanks. |
| 08:16.11 | Unclejack | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.37 | SachaS | for those who are interested in presenting openmoko at the linux day 2008 in Dornbirn (Austria) November 29th, please contact me. |
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| 08:17.42 | Zorkman | unclekjack: i don't know, but there isa new repository for fso on the servers ofg bearstech |
| 08:18.14 | Unclejack | cool, I'll check it out |
| 08:18.15 | Zorkman | SachaS: everslick is an austrian |
| 08:18.31 | Zorkman | bumbl also, but he isn't here at the moment |
| 08:18.40 | Zorkman | reinhold_away also is austrian |
| 08:19.08 | SachaS | Zorkman: thanks. do you have a mailinglist so that me or you can post the request to the openmoko folks? |
| 08:19.57 | Zorkman | SachaS: http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ the community list would be best fitted |
| 08:22.15 | SachaS | Zorkman: thanks will post to the community mailinglist. |
| 08:22.36 | Zorkman | np |
| 08:24.27 | Zorkman | btw SachaS: there is also a german channel for openmoko: #neo1973-openmoko |
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| 08:29.15 | deubeuliou | I am having some tests with the accelerometers on 2007.2 ; I can only have the second (event3) working. cat /dev/input/event2 prints nothing |
| 08:30.15 | deubeuliou | and accelerometers doesn't print negative magnitude (decceleration) |
| 08:31.09 | Zorkman | deubeuliou: both event2 AND event3 return nothing here :( |
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| 08:31.20 | Zorkman | same problem in daily build 080813 |
| 08:31.27 | Zorkman | (and in 2007.2) |
| 08:31.41 | deubeuliou | mmmh :S |
| 08:31.41 | Zorkman | did you do anything special to make event3 working? |
| 08:31.45 | deubeuliou | no |
| 08:31.48 | malik1972 | deubeuliou: i had similar problems in 2008.8, playing with the xserver, restarting helped me, search the mailing list |
| 08:31.56 | deubeuliou | ok |
| 08:32.29 | deubeuliou | btw, do you know any way to make usb networking with the freerunner under windows __w/o__ being administrator ? |
| 08:32.35 | deubeuliou | I want to geek at office :D |
| 08:32.49 | malik1972 | windows, whats that? |
| 08:33.01 | deubeuliou | it's a new playskool product |
| 08:33.10 | malik1972 | okay:-) |
| 08:33.15 | Zorkman | malik1972: restarting x server doesn't work... rebooting the FR also doesn't help |
| 08:33.18 | deubeuliou | but it runs on a pc |
| 08:33.44 | malik1972 | no, i use windows 98 in a virtual box and wine for my needs |
| 08:35.19 | malik1972 | zorkman: does it work if you shutdown x? |
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| 08:36.43 | deubeuliou | malik1972: I'd love to be able to run linux here :D |
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| 08:37.31 | Zorkman | deubeuliou: just o be sure: if I type hexdump it has to show in my terminal if it registeres something, no? |
| 08:37.40 | Zorkman | i don't have to go looking in some log file do i? |
| 08:37.49 | deubeuliou | mmmh what I can do is plugging the FR in the morning at my box@home and then ssh to it ... but I won't be able to shake it :DDD |
| 08:38.17 | deubeuliou | yeah, just hexdump /dev/input/event(2|3) |
| 08:38.33 | ieatlint | Sascha, there's also #neo1973-germany which may have attracted some austrians... |
| 08:39.01 | ieatlint | Zorkman, i assume you've tried echoing 1 into the wakeup for the accelerometers? |
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| 08:40.13 | Zorkman | yeah i did echo 1 >/sys/devices/platform/spi_s3c24xx_gpio.1/spi0.0/power/wakeup |
| 08:40.22 | Zorkman | and echo 1 >/sys/devices/platform/spi_s3c24xx_gpio.1/spi0.1/power/wakeup |
| 08:40.25 | deubeuliou | ah, I didn't |
| 08:40.58 | Zorkman | but it still doesn't work.... |
| 08:41.07 | Zorkman | are there reports of broken accelerometers? |
| 08:41.46 | ieatlint | it's not a broken accelerometer |
| 08:41.55 | ieatlint | it's the software |
| 08:42.00 | ieatlint | you're using 2007.2? |
| 08:42.00 | Zorkman | but is has to work because when i do cat /sys/devices/platform/spi_s3c24xx_gpio.1/spi0.0/dump and then reposition the FR and o it again, i get another reacing |
| 08:42.07 | ieatlint | could be a newer kernel is wanted |
| 08:42.18 | Zorkman | yes i am (also 080813 booting from SD, bt have the same problem there) |
| 08:42.28 | Zorkman | 2007.2 is fully upgraded |
| 08:43.03 | ieatlint | well, i dunno the answer, but i remember reading something about the issue in the mailing list |
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| 08:43.35 | ieatlint | the odds both accelerometers are broken though, and such that they give no data at all, is highly unlikely |
| 08:44.01 | Zorkman | no i checked, they work (with cat /sys/devices/platform/spi_s3c24xx_gpio.1/spi0.0/dump ) |
| 08:44.15 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.29 | ieatlint | kernel or sysctl issue, i dunno |
| 08:44.34 | ieatlint | check sysctl.conf in etc |
| 08:45.01 | Unclejack | hey I was wondering how to change the mirrors list for opkg |
| 08:45.01 | Zorkman | in the bug report somebody said that chaging the kernel tothe official om2008.8 worked... but is it sensible to flash that kernel to my 2007.2 installation? |
| 08:45.03 | SachaS | Zorkman: sent an email to the openmoko community mailinglist. thanks for your help. |
| 08:45.27 | Zorkman | np (did you read my and ieatlints hint to check #neo1973-openmoko ?) |
| 08:45.30 | Unclejack | I have a freerunner but I cannot update my packages |
| 08:46.00 | SachaS | Zorkman: yes but the community mailinglist should also include the german speaking ones ;-) |
| 08:46.21 | Zorkman | ieatlint: my sysctl.conf is empty |
| 08:46.27 | SachaS | Zorkman: btw the channel is empty ;-) |
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| 08:46.46 | ieatlint | Zorkman, well, i would check the mailing lists :P |
| 08:47.03 | ieatlint | the blank sysctl.conf doesn't mean anything necessarily, i dunno if it should have anything |
| 08:47.41 | deubeuliou | after echoing 1 to the 2 power/wakeup , nothing changed (event2 still doesn't print and event3 still does) |
| 08:48.35 | deubeuliou | and the dump does print |
| 08:49.56 | Zorkman | ieatlint: I already check the ML more than is good for me :) |
| 08:50.25 | deubeuliou | http://openmoko.markmail.org/message/md752hrpnfmu3apt?q=accelerometers+event2#query:accelerometers%20event2+page:1+mid:frzn473s6qh47qyg+state:results |
| 08:50.30 | ieatlint | Zorkman, then you'll have to wait till one of the people who does kernel maintainance comes around |
| 08:50.50 | deubeuliou | the question, now, is : how to reconfigure neod ? |
| 08:51.01 | Zorkman | yeah, no problem, i really want to test it, but it's not like i'll die if it doesn't happen today :) |
| 08:51.27 | Infoport | this debug board instructios are about as circular as the other wiki pages. I have to open 3-4 pages to get all the instructions, and still dont have it right. Plus short USB cables are making my life difficult |
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| 08:51.46 | Zorkman | deubeuliou: if you find a sollution, please PM me to tell me :) |
| 08:51.57 | Zorkman | i'm off |
| 08:53.20 | Infoport | the pages are not clear-- should I put battery BACK IN after connecting the board and the cables? or is it just powered by connection to PC by USB? |
| 08:54.59 | _chronic | Infoport: heh, feel your pain re usb - had to get active usb cable extenders to test FR gps by window ... |
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| 08:56.02 | ieatlint | Infoport, the freerunner cannot boot without a battery |
| 08:56.04 | _chronic | Infoport: it's my understanding the FR won't boot without battery in. |
| 08:56.17 | ieatlint | nor can it run from a 500ma usb connection |
| 08:56.20 | rwhitby | Infoport: usb into both debug board and FR, and battery in |
| 08:56.41 | rwhitby | it can't *reliably* run or boot with battery |
| 08:57.03 | rwhitby | usually, it is able to, until the GSM starts transmitting, at which point it dies from too much current draw |
| 08:57.33 | rwhitby | this also depends on which u-boot version you are running |
| 08:57.49 | rwhitby | (since latest ones delay some things to smooth out the boot current requirements) |
| 08:58.34 | ieatlint | *without ? |
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| 09:01.07 | Infoport | trying to connect by cu (serial) gives a "Line in use" error...do I need to configure OpenOCD to watch boot process errors this way? |
| 09:01.47 | ieatlint | you don't need openocd |
| 09:01.55 | ieatlint | openocd is for the jtag, you just want the serial |
| 09:03.35 | roh | :) |
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| 09:04.44 | rwhitby | ieatlint: yeah, *without |
| 09:04.56 | Infoport | do I need to install the udev rules etc if I dont need to flash the board first? (it gives the correct vendor code) |
| 09:05.04 | rwhitby | I didn't |
| 09:05.10 | ieatlint | no, you don't |
| 09:05.27 | ieatlint | but it does need to create ttyUSB0 (or another number) |
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| 09:05.43 | Infoport | I find it with lsusb, but it doesnt seem to be at /dev/USB0 |
| 09:05.52 | Infoport | (I meant) I find it with lsusb, but it doesnt seem to be at /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 09:06.05 | rwhitby | the debug board isn't. |
| 09:06.15 | rwhitby | u-boot console should be on ttyACM0 |
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| 09:06.39 | rwhitby | debug board is accessed by openocd directly through ftdi driver |
| 09:06.50 | rwhitby | not through ttyUSB0 |
| 09:06.58 | Infoport | oh, must be bad advice from wiki (Debug_Board_v3 page) |
| 09:07.15 | rwhitby | oh, my experience is with debug board v2 |
| 09:07.19 | ieatlint | uhm, no, for just serial, openocd isn't needed |
| 09:07.19 | rwhitby | dunno if v3 is different |
| 09:07.32 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r89436a221f8f 10/ (97 files in 5 dirs): move all of e17/efl to svn from cvs. |
| 09:07.44 | ieatlint | you do need a couple kernel modules though, i forget exactly which ones |
| 09:07.56 | rwhitby | oh, you just want to get to serial console via debug board, not jtag? |
| 09:08.27 | Infoport | WOW, connecting to /dev/ttyACM0 shows something! (same as connecting to edit uboot entries) |
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| 09:08.38 | ieatlint | hmmm, maybe it was acm0... |
| 09:08.42 | ieatlint | i know it just makes a tty |
| 09:08.46 | Infoport | error seems to be....can't get kernel image! |
| 09:08.59 | ieatlint | oh, then that is uboot |
| 09:09.10 | ieatlint | and it's from the usb cable to the phone, not to the debug board |
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| 09:09.25 | Infoport | bad news for my "backup" files made with dfu-util |
| 09:09.43 | ieatlint | thoroughly confused yet? |
| 09:10.24 | Infoport | so I am still not really watching it from the debug board? after all that disassembly and setting up the debug board with a short cable? *sigh* |
| 09:10.25 | raster | ok |
| 09:10.28 | raster | svn changes in |
| 09:10.32 | raster | happiness... is me |
| 09:10.38 | raster | that took enough work :) |
| 09:11.03 | ieatlint | Infoport, well, if it's giving you a kernel image not found error, then that's uboot |
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| 09:11.25 | ieatlint | and unless you told uboot to use the serial for stdin/out/err, then yeah.. it's going over the usb to the phone, not the debug board |
| 09:11.47 | ieatlint | but if you described it getting to a second splash and such... that's beyond uboot |
| 09:12.12 | ieatlint | so something you're doing now is different than before, because it'll take less than a second for it to not find the kernel |
| 09:13.01 | Infoport | ieatlint: no no, it was NOT getting past splash with Openmoko logo, before you can usually ssh, and without progress bar NOR the "Please wait" |
| 09:13.30 | ieatlint | did it scroll the screen with a bunch of text though? |
| 09:13.40 | Infoport | ieatlint: or is that the "second" splash? past the picture of boots? |
| 09:13.52 | Infoport | ieatlint: didnt see the text scroll |
| 09:13.56 | ieatlint | if you see boots, it's found the kernel |
| 09:14.13 | ieatlint | ok, basically if you're booting from nand and see ANY graphics, it's found the kernel |
| 09:14.51 | ieatlint | and gcc takes way too long to build damnit |
| 09:16.24 | Infoport | ok I boot from NAND *menu*, and I get ERROR: can't get kernel image, so I guess it is positive-- my kernel is borked! I could have reflashed everything over and over faster than setting up this board, but my wife was so nice and insisted I buy it too, and I want it to be useful |
| 09:17.06 | ieatlint | yeah, that means the kernel is missing, or uboot is misconfigured |
| 09:17.08 | Infoport | when I boot from NAND menu, it gives that error in text, and returns to the menu |
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| 09:17.27 | ieatlint | are you trying to boot from flash or the sd? |
| 09:18.14 | Infoport | ieatlint: trying to boot from flash, although it also wont boot from my SD distros |
| 09:18.58 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader_environment is where you want to be |
| 09:19.13 | ieatlint | NOR should work now though |
| 09:19.33 | ieatlint | it should be able to boot from the flash without you doing anything extra (but with the old version of uboot) |
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| 09:21.32 | daten | hey |
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| 09:22.41 | daten | does anyone know where i can find the actual kernel-patches for the vanilla kernel (e.g. within the git-rep.)? |
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| 09:24.27 | Infoport | damn it, now I am not getting any bootup (btw NOR wasnt finding kernel before either) and it doesnt seem to do anything |
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| 09:25.55 | Infoport | I have 2 extra batteries, so I'm pretty sure one is charged. I have had to "reset" it by removing battery a few times (locked up at some screen) but havent beat it senseless yet |
| 09:26.13 | Infoport | wait, no I'm getting graphical Openmoko screen again |
| 09:26.16 | Infoport | now |
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| 09:26.59 | hossi | the installer in om2008, where are the list for package available in there on the net? |
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| 09:27.42 | TeXitoi_ | hi |
| 09:27.46 | Infoport | ieatlint: "can't get kernel image", yeah I guess it is time to revisit bootloader commands...just wish this Debug Board attempt wasnt so useless |
| 09:27.59 | Infoport | (I did learn how to disassemble it though!) |
| 09:28.05 | alephnull | How do I get to the qwerty keyboard in 2008.8 ? |
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| 09:29.40 | TeXitoi | I would like to update uboot to install debian on a SDHC card, how I know if I have a GTAv4 or GTAv5 ? |
| 09:29.55 | ieatlint | Infoport, if it makes you feel better, you can set uboot to use serial for its console, and use the debug board to work on the uboot console |
| 09:30.01 | Tanuva | if you bought from some reseller, you have v5 |
| 09:30.13 | Infoport | ieatlint: yeah NOR also "can't get kernel image" |
| 09:30.26 | ieatlint | Infoport, ok, then you need to reflash the kernel |
| 09:31.24 | Infoport | ieatlint: how do I connect to it after choosing serial console? /dev/?? |
| 09:31.27 | TeXitoi | Tanuva: thanks |
| 09:31.33 | Infoport | (but I think kernel is the culprit here) |
| 09:31.38 | ieatlint | Infoport, whatever tty the debug board makes |
| 09:31.44 | TeXitoi | else : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Finding_hardware_revision |
| 09:31.49 | ieatlint | look in /var/log/messages |
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| 09:32.21 | ieatlint | if it doesn't create a tty when you plug the debug board into the computer, then your computer is missing a kernel module to support it |
| 09:32.32 | Infoport | Texitoi: you could Disassemble it and read it on the motherboard :-D (prob the *HARD* way) |
| 09:32.34 | ieatlint | (which is unlikely) |
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| 09:33.10 | ieatlint | TeXitoi, you can also look at /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:33.12 | TeXitoi | Infoport: héhé |
| 09:33.22 | ieatlint | revision 350 == v5 |
| 09:33.24 | ieatlint | 340 == v4 |
| 09:33.31 | ieatlint | (330 v3 and so forth) |
| 09:33.38 | TeXitoi | 360... |
| 09:33.42 | Infoport | ieatlint: how do I find the correct tty for the debug board? USB0 isnt working |
| 09:34.01 | ieatlint | TeXitoi, ok, you have gta02v6 |
| 09:34.15 | ieatlint | TeXitoi, use v5 stuff (the changes to the board don't affect it) |
| 09:34.18 | Infoport | oooh, sounds like TeXitoi got v6 (fixes made in advance) |
| 09:34.25 | TeXitoi | ieatlint: ok, thanks |
| 09:34.33 | ieatlint | Infoport, watch the syslog as you plug in the usb port |
| 09:34.38 | ieatlint | dmesg might also tell you |
| 09:34.40 | Infoport | my board says mine is v5 |
| 09:34.41 | ieatlint | at the end |
| 09:34.42 | TeXitoi | I've just received it |
| 09:35.22 | TeXitoi | ieatlint: My dmesg is spamed by pcf50633 things |
| 09:36.24 | ieatlint | that's the pmu... not sure why it's spamming your kernel though |
| 09:36.51 | TeXitoi | pcf50633_irq: entering(irq=53, pcf=c7d36c00): scheduling work |
| 09:36.52 | TeXitoi | pcf50633_work: INT1=0x00 INT2=0x00 INT3=0x40 INT4=0x00 INT5=0x00 |
| 09:36.52 | TeXitoi | ADCRDY |
| 09:36.52 | TeXitoi | pcf50633_irq: entering(irq=53, pcf=c7d36c00): scheduling work |
| 09:36.52 | TeXitoi | pcf50633_work: INT1=0x80 INT2=0x00 INT3=0x40 INT4=0x00 INT5=0x00 |
| 09:36.54 | TeXitoi | SECOND ADCRDY |
| 09:36.59 | TeXitoi | and again and again... |
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| 09:37.30 | Infoport | dmesg has the ACM0 device, but doesnt seem to have another (using dmesg |grep tty) |
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| 09:38.22 | ieatlint | Infoport, could be missing kernel driver or improperly connected debug board |
| 09:38.37 | ieatlint | TeXitoi, not sure what's causing that, a search on google doesn't give much |
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| 09:39.05 | ieatlint | TeXitoi, may try updating the kernel |
| 09:39.37 | TeXitoi | ieatlint: I have lost of things to try ;-) |
| 09:39.48 | TeXitoi | first uboot |
| 09:40.37 | ieatlint | my only suggestion is to post to the mailing list |
| 09:40.47 | ieatlint | you'll get the attention of people who know far more than i |
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| 09:43.23 | Infoport | ieatlint: in syslog I seem to have the device, only no tty mention. it recognizes a USB hub |
| 09:43.25 | Infoport | New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_1457_5118_noserial |
| 09:43.25 | Infoport | '). |
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| 09:44.01 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 09:44.12 | Infoport | that number is the vendor codes for FIC and OM (1457 & 5118) |
| 09:46.13 | Infoport | ok, time to keep flashing, too much wasted trying to get Debug Board to do more than light up |
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| 09:46.41 | ieatlint | Infoport, you can tell if you connected it correctly to the neo by pressing the reset switch |
| 09:46.48 | ieatlint | if the neo resets, it's right :P |
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| 09:49.02 | Infoport | ieatlint: resets, like a reboot? damn, it doesnt seem to....maybe I dont have the small end of cable far enough into Neo (tight fit, like you have to force it in) |
| 09:49.21 | ieatlint | yeah, it'll reset |
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| 09:51.21 | KenSentMe | Hi, is there a performance difference between running openmoko (2008.8) from the phone memory or from a micro sd? |
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| 09:51.46 | Zorkman | KenSentMe: not that i have noticed |
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| 09:52.19 | mjr | the microsd controller is a bit of a bottleneck potentially at least, but not necessarily in practice very much |
| 09:53.38 | KenSentMe | Ok, thanks for the replies |
| 09:54.07 | Infoport | ieatlint: is a "reset" a white screen (of death?) and then power off? |
| 09:54.11 | mjr | (FWIW, I am running debian from microsd and it doesn't seem to suffer much |
| 09:54.32 | ieatlint | Infoport, in my experience, it's a hiss noise and the thing instantly reboots |
| 09:54.37 | ieatlint | as in, starts up again |
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| 09:55.08 | Zorkman | anybody know what that hiss sound is? capacitators discharing in speaker circuit? |
| 09:55.24 | Infoport | ieatlint: or white screen and then try to reboot it seems. WOW I guess now it is actually connected (must have needed small end of flat cable to be forced further into connector) |
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| 10:00.15 | Tanuva | whoever wrote the "Manual Debian" wiki page - you have an excellent music taste :) |
| 10:00.30 | Infoport | still only see ttyACM0 in dmesg, but there was a device in syslog with code 1d50_5119 |
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| 10:02.25 | AJuOnLiNE | what distro should be ideal for a n00b openmoko application developer ? |
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| 10:03.27 | Infoport | hmm I seemed to have flashed the uboot_env correctly -- now I have the 2nd boot but not the 3rd for qtopia. That backup worked at least |
| 10:03.39 | Zorkman | AJuOnLiNE: I think FSO |
| 10:04.15 | AJuOnLiNE | Zorkman: linux distro ? |
| 10:05.18 | Zorkman | ah, i thought you meant distro on the phone |
| 10:05.30 | Infoport | ok, off to reflash. Debug Board *does* reset for me, but I was doing a "hard reset" with the battery many times before :P |
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| 10:07.43 | artur_ | hello |
| 10:08.00 | Zorkman | hello artur_ |
| 10:08.56 | artur_ | i'm trying to setup usb networking with dhcp on 2007.2 but it seems not to work |
| 10:08.59 | artur_ | any idea ? |
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| 10:09.26 | artur_ | it works fine with a static setup |
| 10:09.42 | Zorkman | sorry, i'm from barcelone, i know nothing |
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| 10:10.41 | Infoport | ieatlint: by debug board seems to be shown in lsusb, but it doesnt say "Openmoko" or "Debug Board for Neo1973" in the output |
| 10:10.48 | Zorkman | hello zedstar_ |
| 10:12.39 | zedstar_ | yo zorkman ! |
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| 10:13.23 | ieatlint | Infoport, i dunno what's up... i'm no expert :P |
| 10:13.44 | Infoport | ieatlint: oooh, I get better output from lsusb -v -d 0x01457 *when* I run it sudo |
| 10:15.49 | artur_ | btw, what seems the better distribution for use with freerunner today ? |
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| 10:17.55 | Tanuva | depends on what you want to do |
| 10:18.07 | Tanuva | likes debian |
| 10:18.25 | artur_ | i work with debian at work and at home |
| 10:19.05 | artur_ | but in few words i'd like to have a working smartphone :) |
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| 10:19.20 | zedstar_ | hows does debian handle cross compiling and dependencies? |
| 10:19.32 | Tanuva | then 8.8 might be your first choice... or 7.2, but I haven't used both very much |
| 10:19.46 | Infoport | ieatlint: btw, the only thing I think I did differently when it borked was playing with Gestures on 2008.8, and leaving that daemon running |
| 10:19.51 | artur_ | 7.2 seems to be minimalistic |
| 10:20.07 | Tanuva | the shipping image, yes. the real image can do more... |
| 10:20.32 | artur_ | i tested quickly qtopia yesterday it seems to be more complete |
| 10:20.33 | Infoport | ouch, now a boot has "Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at..." scrolling by from plain boot |
| 10:20.33 | hossi | anyone know where I can download gps maps to the neo? |
| 10:20.40 | artur_ | what's the real image for you ? |
| 10:20.59 | Infoport | that reset button *is* useful after all :D |
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| 10:21.12 | artur_ | the shipping one with some packages installed ? |
| 10:21.13 | Tanuva | artur_: the one downloadable from the repo, *not* the one that shipped with the phone |
| 10:21.19 | Tanuva | yes |
| 10:21.25 | rwhitby | uses fso, since it's the only true community distro that gives commit privs to people who don't work for openmoko. |
| 10:21.40 | Tanuva | has fso/debian dualboot |
| 10:21.53 | ieatlint | omg do i hate marvell |
| 10:21.54 | Tanuva | since fso runs really stable for me |
| 10:22.01 | ieatlint | and i'm not too fond of realtek right now either |
| 10:22.21 | ieatlint | sky2 and r8169 are evil evil nics/drivers |
| 10:22.46 | Infoport | bleah, and 2nd boot still gives "Kernel panic" after a bunch of scroll |
| 10:23.11 | ieatlint | Infoport, kernel panic means it finds the kernel :P |
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| 10:23.50 | Infoport | ieatlint: I dont know why different kernels should be borked though |
| 10:24.40 | ieatlint | it's likely not the kernel |
| 10:24.46 | artur_ | Tanuva : You mean something from there http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ |
| 10:24.46 | ieatlint | rootfs |
| 10:25.00 | ieatlint | the kernel can't mount it, for instance, would be an example of why it would panic |
| 10:25.15 | Infoport | ieatlint: rootfs borked on both at same time? |
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| 10:25.27 | artur_ | Tanuva : Or ScaredyCat images ? |
| 10:25.31 | Tanuva | artur_: hm... I'm not sure, maybe yes :D |
| 10:25.38 | ieatlint | Infoport, i dunno what you have screwed up |
| 10:25.39 | Tanuva | I'm not really into the gtk stack |
| 10:25.57 | ieatlint | but if the kernel can panic, then it's been loaded |
| 10:26.15 | ieatlint | you could well still have your uboot environment screwed up |
| 10:26.40 | artur_ | ok |
| 10:26.53 | artur_ | i'll try Debian first |
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| 10:27.10 | artur_ | what about dhcp on usb0 ? No idea ? |
| 10:27.56 | artur_ | afk |
| 10:28.45 | ieatlint | artur_, if static is working, but udhcpc can't get an address over the same link, then your dhcpd on your computer is not setup right |
| 10:29.17 | ieatlint | (note that ip masquerading/natting with iptables will NOT forward dhcp) |
| 10:29.38 | artur_ | dhcpd is working fine but it receive no packets from the FR |
| 10:29.54 | artur_ | it goes thru a windows bridge |
| 10:30.07 | TeXitoi | artur_: do you have dhclient on your FR? |
| 10:30.22 | ieatlint | i wouldn't trust a bridge to forward dhcp -- it's not standard tcp/ip |
| 10:30.24 | artur_ | good question |
| 10:31.14 | artur_ | haw can i check for dhcplient on FR ? |
| 10:31.19 | Infoport | new old rootfs, here I come! |
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| 10:32.01 | rejden | hello |
| 10:32.03 | TeXitoi | artur_: in shell : dhclient usb0 ? |
| 10:32.16 | Infoport | I would get the "I void warranties" t-shirt, but I dont think it applies since all these programs declare NO WARRANTY (and the phone was only for 41 days no DOA) |
| 10:32.28 | Infoport | oops 14 days no DOA |
| 10:33.28 | artur_ | dhclient usb0 : no, it is not installed |
| 10:33.52 | artur_ | is there a package for this one ? |
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| 10:34.02 | artur_ | dhclient or something ? |
| 10:34.08 | Infoport | ieatlint: one more question about Debug setup...USB from board to PC, flat cable to Neo, and USB from Neo to PC? or should USB go from phone to board? |
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| 10:35.01 | ieatlint | Infoport, at a minimum, neo -> ribbon cable -> debug board -> miniUSB to regular USB -> computer |
| 10:35.51 | ieatlint | oh, and it's not that i'm ignoring anyone asking me questions, it's that i'm working on something else and switching around with a kvm |
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| 10:36.31 | Infoport | ieatlint so usually no USB from phone to PC while using debug board? |
| 10:36.57 | ieatlint | the usb to the phone is separate from the debug board |
| 10:37.23 | ieatlint | the phone operates normally with the debug board attached -- so you can use the usb, but you don't need to |
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| 10:42.24 | artur_ | ok, i got dhclient from dhcp-client package |
| 10:42.52 | ieatlint | odds are you already had the busybox dhcp client |
| 10:42.53 | ieatlint | udhcpc |
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| 10:46.44 | Infoport | ok new boot with new rootfs...seeing Boots, going slowly (prob thinks that it is "first boot" now) |
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| 10:49.31 | artur_ | so, neither udhcpc nor dhclient works with usb0 :/ |
| 10:49.58 | Infoport | seems like torx screwdriver was needed along side guitar pick (but come w/different purchases, i.e. debug board has torx) |
| 10:50.09 | artur_ | i'll be back in a hour |
| 10:50.28 | DPThough1 | I read much about debian in the last time. Is this a new trend? Will there be a switch at any time or is it just 'for fun'? |
| 10:50.32 | Infoport | oohh, weird, now I seem to boot into what looks like OM2008.8 |
| 10:50.37 | SpeedEvil | dbmoodb: for fun |
| 10:50.39 | SpeedEvil | dp: |
| 10:50.56 | SpeedEvil | DPThough1: You have an open platform, silly things can be run on it. |
| 10:51.21 | SpeedEvil | DPThough1: that said - if anyone gets debian up and suspending well, taking calls, and acting like a phone, ... |
| 10:51.34 | ieatlint | SpeedEvil, it's still way too huge :P |
| 10:51.49 | ieatlint | i want to run on the flash, not ab sd |
| 10:51.49 | SpeedEvil | Huge isn't of itself a problem - SD are cheap. |
| 10:51.58 | DPThough1 | SpeedEvil: *g* Debian did not strike me like a embedded distribution tough |
| 10:52.13 | SpeedEvil | DPThough1: you're entirely missing the point. |
| 10:52.32 | SpeedEvil | The current OM hardware is basically not embedded in many senses. |
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| 10:52.45 | SpeedEvil | As of 10 years ago, it'd be 'powerful desktop'. |
| 10:52.51 | DPThough1 | SpeedEvil: sure, it is done because it can be done |
| 10:53.10 | DPThough1 | SpeedEvil: ROM size is a serious constraint |
| 10:53.25 | SpeedEvil | ROM size isn't - SDs are cheap. |
| 10:54.30 | SpeedEvil | RAM size is a problem. But I note that I've been running 'normal' slackware+FF+... on a PII300/192 without major problems for a while. |
| 10:55.03 | TeXitoi | On the updated defailt image of the FR, I have IO errors on my sdhc card while formating in ext2, but I can format it on my computer |
| 10:55.11 | TeXitoi | any idea how to fix it? |
| 10:55.21 | Infoport | ieatlint: FR still knows my root password though! still not sure why it booted into OM2008.8...is there a daily build of that now? |
| 10:55.57 | DPThough1 | SpeedEvil: jup, i see this on my gta01. But freerunner has some serious ram for a mobile device. The more the better, of course... |
| 10:57.19 | SpeedEvil | 128M is getting less 'serious' as time goes on. |
| 10:57.51 | SpeedEvil | Though of course there isn't a particularly good reason for that. |
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| 10:58.16 | Weiss | hmm, what's wrong with using buildhost.openmoko.org with 2008.8? |
| 10:58.35 | SpeedEvil | Dunno, it was there when I modified the topic a bit. |
| 10:59.25 | Weiss | i can see daily images at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/ - are they horribly broken in some way? |
| 10:59.39 | Infoport | Weiss -- the daily feeds there are updates for OM2007 and are incompatible with 2008.8 |
| 10:59.46 | DPThough1 | SpeedEvil: swap might be a good thing to live with bloat. 128mb active memory is pretty much, but it tends to ge wasted by non active pages. I had this experience with my nokia 770. Flash improved performance and stability very much |
| 11:00.21 | Weiss | Infoport: you mean http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/? that makes sense. but the daily images are fine? |
| 11:00.27 | Weiss | (fsvo of 'fine') |
| 11:01.20 | Infoport | Weiss the daily images are builds you can flash, rather than update/upgrade with opkg, but still for OM2007 |
| 11:01.50 | KenSentMe | How do i start application on the Neo through ssh? I remember it was something with export display, but dont know the exact command anymore |
| 11:02.15 | alephnull | DISPLAY=:0 command. |
| 11:02.33 | Weiss | Infoport: oh, "200808" means "this image was build in August 2008" rather than "this is a 2008.8 ASU image"? |
| 11:02.34 | DPThough1 | KenSentMe: export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 11:02.41 | KenSentMe | DPThough1, ok, thanks |
| 11:03.14 | Infoport | Weiss exactly. confuses a LOT of people |
| 11:03.28 | DPThough1 | KenSentMe: some apps need more stuff from x environment though. Like dbus sockets. Then it gets complicated. But solutions are documented in the wiki |
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| 11:03.54 | Infoport | I wonder if this debug board will fit in a Baccarat "Connies" cigar tin? |
| 11:04.13 | Weiss | Infoport: got it, thanks |
| 11:06.42 | Infoport | damn short USB cables have me stretching around to see everything, doesnt help a back that sits at a computer most of the day, need to find a good USB cable & adapter kit :-( |
| 11:10.59 | Infoport | weird...now my FR has a normal boot that seems to be 2008.8? I got this image from buildhost.openmoko.org openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk--20080820-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 11:11.29 | Infoport | I thought there were NO new images of 2008.8? what OS is this? |
| 11:12.58 | Infoport | seems like now I have a new hybrid build, that is not the SHR either |
| 11:13.01 | rwhitby | 2007.2 + org.openmoko.dev, built daily |
| 11:13.37 | Weiss | Infoport: i think 'buildhost' and 'download' are in a state of temporary flux while the migration to the debian-style releases system happens? |
| 11:13.51 | Weiss | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/026491.html |
| 11:13.53 | Infoport | rwhitby org.openmoko.dev? right off, it sure LOOKS like 2008.8 in the interface |
| 11:14.23 | rwhitby | does it have a flower in the background? |
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| 11:15.29 | Infoport | rwhitby no it has the black with several icons, that looks just like the 2008.8 distro I had setup on SD (minus the apps I had installed) |
| 11:17.13 | Infoport | and I better reassemble the case before I know the solder loose on the GPS antenna |
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| 11:18.49 | Infoport | I still feel like a deserve the tshirt "I void warranties", even if this doesn't have one |
| 11:19.21 | rwhitby | Infoport: you don't get that shirt until you lift the main shield can on the PCB ... |
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| 11:20.19 | hml | do any of the openmoko phones have wiki? |
| 11:20.21 | hml | err, wifi |
| 11:20.32 | hml | i want to build a tool to browse second life from openmoko |
| 11:21.01 | Infoport | rwhitby: well I guess I'll wait...maybe once I add a serial port or card reader to my WRT router :D |
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| 11:21.34 | Infoport | hml: yes they do, although I'm not sure what multimedia support you might need for that |
| 11:21.56 | hml | ah; the wifi is from the accton 3236aq wlah 802.11b/g ? |
| 11:22.12 | hml | i'm guessing the smedia glamo 3362 2d/3d acceleration does not have amazing opengl support? :-) |
| 11:22.19 | roh | no. |
| 11:22.25 | SpeedEvil | The glamo accellerator chip is a 2D/3D accellerator. Unfortunately, it has a 7megabytes/s bus to the CPU, which is shared by the SD. Transferring 3.5M/s to the glamo uses 50% CPU. The 3D accel cannot do VGA mode. In most cases, the glamo has not ended up improving performance as was hoped. |
| 11:22.27 | hml | http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/9/9a/SimpleComponentDiagram.jpg <-- looking at this |
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| 11:22.53 | hml | hmm; this does not seem to compare favorably with th eiphone |
| 11:22.55 | roh | means.. no gl, but wifi b/g via ar6001 in an accton module, would need to check the exact number |
| 11:23.22 | roh | hml same with eggs and fridges.. or apples and onions. ;) |
| 11:23.26 | Shlee | SpeedEvil: Is the glamo used at ALL? or did OM make a mistake? |
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| 11:23.52 | roh | Shlee it is used for xv, scaling, blitting etc... simple 2d accel, nothing fancy |
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| 11:24.00 | Infoport | Shlee: I think that it is a "development learning experience" |
| 11:24.06 | SpeedEvil | Shlee: it's used. |
| 11:24.22 | SpeedEvil | Shlee: but much of the way it's used is to make up for the limited bus bandwidth it imposes. |
| 11:24.35 | SpeedEvil | Shlee: and that's sometimes a wash. |
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| 11:25.00 | Infoport | Shlee: I believe plans are for something different next time (but then, the next one is supposed to improve lots-- much better than stagnant) |
| 11:26.26 | Infoport | at the Brewers Guild hops project, I was watering with my watering/mowing/weeding partner for our week and telling him about the phone |
| 11:26.37 | SpeedEvil | Next one down the pipe simply pulls glamo, adds a camera, and makes some case changes. |
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| 11:27.00 | Infoport | he asked me "Aren't you doing a lot of the same stuff you were being paid for, only now for free?" |
| 11:27.06 | SpeedEvil | Oh - and a slightly faster processor. |
| 11:28.50 | Infoport | answer: yeah, pretty much so, and I'm messing with this, fixing bugs on mine, helping write a backup script (LOL), all by my choice. AND I paid for the opportunity :D |
| 11:30.20 | Infoport | Shlee: I'm actually not using it as a phone that much, but it is a GREAT learning experience (not to mention the fame and fortune from answering the few question I have already encountered :-P ) |
| 11:30.39 | ieatlint | Infoport, comparing it to a job isn't quite right |
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| 11:31.00 | ieatlint | it's like saying "i like to drive" and people assuming you like to sit in gridlock in your car too |
| 11:31.14 | ieatlint | hobby vs job, not the same :P |
| 11:31.49 | Infoport | ieatlint: I *have* been spending way too much time online though. I tell some people I have a new job as an opensource developer on my phone (unpaid) |
| 11:32.46 | Infoport | ieatlint: some people also wonder why I would want to crawl under my Karmann Ghia to change my own oil or adjust valves |
| 11:32.50 | DPThough1 | btw. a collegue of me is currently researching about GL on freerunner. He found out that there are many software implementations available. Had anyone tried one of these yet? I just wounder, because GL does not seem to get much attention on openmoko. Is everybody waiting for glamo-gl? Is it even comeing? |
| 11:33.05 | KenSentMe | I want to build some software on 2008.8. Is there some metapackage i can install to have most of the tools and libs i need (like build-essential in Ubuntu)? |
| 11:33.17 | DPThough1 | He could not test performance yet because he has no hardware |
| 11:33.27 | widrone | scary open source projects suck you in and eat your time, and we do it all again just for the fun of it. Its great! |
| 11:33.31 | rwhitby | KenSentMe: task-openmoko-sdk might be available |
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| 11:34.01 | Infoport | ieatlint: true about hobbies...but now I have no paid job, and several full-time hobbies XD |
| 11:34.38 | ieatlint | i'm in the same boat infoport... just trying to use this as experience in both learning and making connections to get a job |
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| 11:35.06 | ieatlint | but i've a second related thing going on... another embedded project |
| 11:35.19 | ieatlint | heh, is even binary compatible with the FR |
| 11:35.24 | Infoport | ieatlint: I told my mom that helping on that script was going to make me famous-- if my name were really Infoport LOL |
| 11:36.04 | ieatlint | the problem with famous in the geek world is that only a handful are actually famous amongst the general population |
| 11:36.22 | ieatlint | steve wozniak and bill gates, and to a lesser extent torvalds... that's about it :P |
| 11:36.26 | Infoport | ieatlint: of course, this is one software things which I can actually show work to prospective employers (no secret business stuff) |
| 11:36.34 | ieatlint | (steve jobs isn't a geek, just an asshole) |
| 11:37.41 | Infoport | ieatlint: hmm what about Richard Stallman, Phil Zimmerman, or Harold Wellte? ;-) |
| 11:37.54 | ieatlint | yeah, people don't know who they are |
| 11:38.06 | ieatlint | oh -- here's another for the list -- reiser |
| 11:38.16 | ieatlint | people know who he is now, hah |
| 11:38.40 | Infoport | I would PAY PAY for a munitions tshirt, but only legacy web pages seem to exist, so the only hope is DIY from the images |
| 11:38.53 | Infoport | true about reiser...broke my heart |
| 11:39.12 | ieatlint | eh, i never liked reiserfs, and the guy is clearly sociopathic |
| 11:40.03 | Infoport | ieatlint: yeah, but I couldnt decide if he was guilty, or if he was just a nutty geek with a social disorder |
| 11:40.17 | ieatlint | his lies were too bizarre :P |
| 11:40.25 | ieatlint | no one was surprised when he confessed |
| 11:40.26 | Infoport | either way hurt, mostly b/c I liked the ReiserFS |
| 11:42.03 | Infoport | a meta-package for the build environment would be nice. I installed and set it up, but didnt get the sample application going |
| 11:42.39 | hossi | Infoport, who needs a fulltime job when you have a full time hobbies ? :) |
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| 11:42.45 | Infoport | a LOT of work before you even tackle using qt, or anything |
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| 11:43.40 | hossi | pr0n surfing on the neo is the shit <3 |
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| 11:44.00 | Infoport | hossi my mom and others sure seem to think I do...just keep applying, and spending my time with a phone that has issues (instead of the phone AT&T gave me LOL) |
| 11:44.52 | hossi | Infoport, it's no sport using a working phone |
| 11:45.44 | Infoport | hossi, I only got wifi going on OM2007, but the screen doesnt compare to the flat monitor on my desk :D |
| 11:45.46 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: and 99.9% of those are the ones that have 'sold out'. |
| 11:46.17 | Infoport | hossi although it IS portable... |
| 11:46.19 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: Mr Torvalds is probably the only OS person approaching widespread name recongntion. |
| 11:46.53 | hossi | don't want to brag bud I have had e-mail conversation with torvalds :p |
| 11:47.00 | SpeedEvil | Me too. |
| 11:47.01 | rwhitby | Um, Bill Gates might be another ... |
| 11:47.19 | SpeedEvil | A couple of lines earlier - 'ieatlint: and 99.9% of those are the ones that have 'sold out'.' |
| 11:47.21 | Infoport | I really want a munitions tshirt though...and Zimmerman's ZPhone would be a great app on the NEo |
| 11:47.40 | hossi | Infoport, flash your FR with om2008 and install zecke's feeds |
| 11:47.55 | hossi | Infoport, I even got the gps going |
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| 11:49.17 | SpeedEvil | Aww. http://www.morphthing.com/morph doesn't have torvalds or gates. |
| 11:49.58 | hossi | SpeedEvil, what were you discussing? |
| 11:50.16 | hml | does the neo cell phone run on an arm processor? |
| 11:50.25 | xt | yes |
| 11:50.48 | SpeedEvil | hossi: I was discussing 'name' recognition by the public of geeks. |
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| 11:51.17 | dbmoodb | Infoport: over gsm ? -- encrypted phoning would be fun |
| 11:51.43 | SpeedEvil | VOIP is a problem on FR through the GSM part |
| 11:51.46 | hossi | sparrow, the torvalds? |
| 11:52.03 | hossi | *with |
| 11:52.29 | Infoport | dbmoodb encrypted phoning is my goal, although the curve to learn to build apps has been daunting (esp with it changing soon) |
| 11:52.42 | SpeedEvil | GPRS has a delay of 1-2 seconds, so is basically useless for 'normal' speech. But push-talk is fine. |
| 11:52.53 | dbmoodb | sure that would be cool. SpeedEvil what about voip on debian ? -- couldn't get the input audio to work ... |
| 11:52.58 | SpeedEvil | point-point data is expensive. |
| 11:53.09 | Infoport | SpeedEvil yeah that site has Angelina Jolie, but no Parker Posey |
| 11:53.16 | SpeedEvil | point-point data is expensive and unavailable on some SIMs, and much lower bandwidth. |
| 11:53.30 | SpeedEvil | (CSD) |
| 11:53.41 | SpeedEvil | dbmoodb: I don't know, I'm talking about fundamentals. |
| 11:54.04 | Infoport | there should be a way to send over voice-connection, so as to not incur data charges |
| 11:54.09 | SpeedEvil | dbmoodb: what the hardware can do. VOIP is problematic over other than bluetooth, wifi, or USB |
| 11:54.14 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: 'should' |
| 11:54.18 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: and indeed there is. |
| 11:54.26 | dbmoodb | i know the hardware can... but the alsa config isn't right for me |
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| 11:54.32 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: unfortunately, because of technical reasons, you can't easily. |
| 11:54.34 | dbmoodb | SpeedEvil: what ? |
| 11:54.41 | dbmoodb | it should be fine over wifi or usb |
| 11:55.05 | dbmoodb | ah and for easy encryption.. look into ihu |
| 11:55.14 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: you end up with hideousnesses like taking data, running a vocoder from it, connecting that to the phone, and a voice recogniser on the other end. |
| 11:55.30 | SpeedEvil | dbmoodb: 'other than' IOW - GPRS. I should have been clearer. |
| 11:55.49 | hossi | is there any flashplayer to the neo? |
| 11:55.51 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: surprisingly enough that gets you up to 1300 bits/sec. |
| 11:55.53 | Infoport | dbmoodb over wifi or other net, you could connect to someone running ZPhone on their computer |
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| 11:57.12 | hossi | or a mediaplayer that are compatible with lastfm |
| 11:57.14 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: you have to do this as you have no control over the voice path. There are a couple of voice code/decode cylces in the path beteween phones, with errors in between them, and you don't get to pick the specific codec, the network does. |
| 11:57.26 | Infoport | well I guess I flash the buildhost distro over the borked OM2007, so now no TangoGPS |
| 11:59.20 | Infoport | SpeedEvil I see what you mean-- there are quality problems in the network that may mess up encrypted data |
| 11:59.30 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: basically. |
| 11:59.48 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: if you're trying to do data over voice, it goes: |
| 12:00.31 | Infoport | I think that ZPhone had support for some slow modems, wouldnt that account for a reduced transfer rate due to network quality? |
| 12:00.43 | SpeedEvil | Mic -> A/D -> codec -> radio (injecting errors) -> codec -> tower-tower IDSN link -> codec -> radio (with errors) -> codec -> D/A -> speaker |
| 12:01.25 | Weiss | Infoport: r.e. images looking like ASU: "Right now we are merging back from *org.openmoko.asu.dev* to |
| 12:01.32 | Weiss | *org.openmoko.dev*. Developers will work on this branch." |
| 12:01.34 | SpeedEvil | Even if you have control directly over what the radio emits, it doesn't help much, as the errors and the network recieving codec mean that stuff that's not voice-like get trashed. |
| 12:02.05 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: that, and there is no 'voice modem' publically available |
| 12:02.22 | Infoport | SpeedEvil can't be helped much by redundant slower codec on the ends? |
| 12:02.29 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: no |
| 12:02.38 | Arcnet | SpeedEvil: One may use error-correction, but I think the bitrate of GSM is to low |
| 12:02.56 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: the voice codecs are specifically designed to throw away signal that is not voice-like. |
| 12:03.09 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: so any 'normal' modem signal gets utterly shredded. |
| 12:03.47 | Infoport | well damn...trashed that hope! I guess I'll have to settle for an encrypting plugin for messaging or email from FR |
| 12:04.45 | Infoport | you said GPRS has issues too? would (upcoming?) support for 3G help? |
| 12:04.57 | Infoport | other than still costing money... |
| 12:06.05 | Infoport | a little disappointing, but makes me think of the RFC for sending data by pigeon... |
| 12:06.25 | mjr | 3g would of course work better for voip, though many operators forbid such use, and there are still potential QOS issues |
| 12:06.27 | rwhitby | announces the fso autobuilder and feeds on the lists |
| 12:06.40 | opendeep | I Installed python-datetime module, but it's not complete one .there is no time.tzset() available? |
| 12:07.14 | Infoport | mjr, would they know it was VOIP if it was encrypted? (maybe the size of streams would be a giveaway?) |
| 12:07.30 | Arcnet | Infoport/SpeedEvil: Hm... I'm just wondering: Aren't there any analog cryptographic methods with f:{Human frequency} -> {Human frequency}? Maybe those could be modeled somehow? |
| 12:08.13 | mjr | I would note, however, that while SpeedEvil was dissing CSD (point to point data) as expensive, it's not necessarily so. Depends on your provider's degree of reasonableness, of course. |
| 12:08.48 | hossi | can I stream music in the mediaplayer for neo? |
| 12:08.49 | rwhitby | 'provider' and 'reasonable' in the same sentence .... |
| 12:08.50 | mjr | (however apparently you want to run a non-voip speech stream on CSD, if you're to use it, to get rid of all the VOIP overhead, since it _is_ slow) |
| 12:09.26 | mjr | rwhitby, Finnish providers tend to be rather reasonable :) |
| 12:10.25 | DPThough1 | Infoport: SIP uses static ports. They can easyly block them. Blocking RTP would be not so easy for them if they can not inspect the SIP layer. But they don't have to. Just kick SIP. |
| 12:11.03 | Infoport | a question about buildhost images-- the only feeds for it are Zecke's feeds? uses the same as 2008.8 (if it had any official yet?) |
| 12:11.22 | DPThough1 | GPRS usually sucks pretty much for voip btw. too much jitter and bad latency in general. That's at least what i heared last time bout gprs |
| 12:12.23 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rc46e1135fd91 10/ (24 files in 4 dirs): |
| 12:12.23 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: * add missing 'Incoming' signal for org.freesmartphone.Phone.Call |
| 12:12.23 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: * remove german Umlaute |
| 12:12.23 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: * add warning in autogenerated docs, regenerate everything |
| 12:12.33 | Infoport | DPThough1 I dont think I would have to use standard SIP ports, I thinkg ZPhone uses a port it likes, easily changed by configuration |
| 12:12.33 | mjr | DPThough1, yes, we covered that already :) |
| 12:12.37 | rwhitby | Infoport: zecke's feeds are the only ones that have been announced for om2008.8 |
| 12:12.51 | hossi | what is the boot doing? |
| 12:13.28 | DPThough1 | Infoport: not if you are your own provider :) |
| 12:13.38 | Infoport | rwhitby and the buildhost dailies are equiv. to OM2008.8 as far as software is concerned? so no TangoGPS I guess? |
| 12:13.43 | mjr | Infoport, anyway, if you want your encrypted calls, on current hardware (and when you're not in a wifi hotspot) your only choice is to code encrypted voice to go on top of a csd data call, such as these guys do for their phones: http://www.cryptophone.de |
| 12:13.47 | DPThough1 | mjr: guessed so :) |
| 12:13.54 | mjr | Infoport, or you satisfy yourself with push-to-talk gprs |
| 12:14.41 | rwhitby | Infoport: dunno - there is no equivalent to http://shr.bearstech.com/README for buildhost which specifies exactly what it builds ... |
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| 12:15.45 | Infoport | mjr push to talk wouldnt be that bad for encrypted calling, a small compromise (of course, nobody I know would have it, unless I could set up their end on their PC) |
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| 12:17.44 | Infoport | rwhitby hmmm...maybe I should flash in OM2007 again then, and keep 2008.8 on SD (hey I might not break it again so soon) |
| 12:18.17 | rwhitby | Infoport: since I don't have a working GTA02, I can't advise you |
| 12:18.49 | Infoport | how do the ScaredyCat images compare? what is their advantage/focus? |
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| 12:21.02 | Infoport | anbody know about the buildhost.openmoko.org images, if they are 2008.8 compatible? |
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| 12:21.14 | Infoport | anybody know about the ScaredyCat images? |
| 12:22.10 | rwhitby | Looks like ScaredCat is MIA - latest image there is 21 July. |
| 12:22.44 | Arcnet | @infoport: DO NOT USE buildhost.openmoko.org TO UPGRADE 2008.8 IT WILL NEVER EVER WORK |
| 12:22.48 | Arcnet | (Channeltopic) |
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| 12:24.08 | Infoport | Arcnet, no I accidentally flashed it over 2007 instead of flashing 2007 back, and was wondering if I could maintain the buildhost images with 2008.8 packages? |
| 12:25.19 | Infoport | Arcnet I understand where 2008.8 stands (even seen the archive mail several times) but I dont know where buildhost fits in/how compatible |
| 12:25.49 | Arcnet | ah, ok, sorry^^ eerrrr... good question... well, let me think... |
| 12:26.19 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * ra9746a2e6d78 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): regenerate docs again, fix clean rules |
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| 12:27.21 | Infoport | Arcnet it *seems* to have the same basic apps in Installer (as 2008.8 did) but I'm not sure if packages will identify it as a "different OS" |
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| 12:27.44 | Infoport | packages like Orrery, Gestures, etc |
| 12:27.53 | Arcnet | Buildhost builds the current development (??) branch of openmoko, while ASU/2008.8 is testing branch if I'm not wrong... so 2008.8 packages should run on 200808xx.. |
| 12:27.54 | Arcnet | no, I don't think it does, opkg is quite stupid :-D |
| 12:28.00 | lindi- | dbmoodb: maybe you had wrong alsa settings loaded? |
| 12:28.31 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: debian suspends and takes calls here :) |
| 12:29.09 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.06 | Infoport | Arcnet so buildhost is basically the more unstable dev version? |
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| 12:30.39 | Arcnet | In case I right: yes :-D |
| 12:30.43 | Arcnet | +'m |
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| 12:31.46 | lindi- | Zorkman: haven't tested |
| 12:31.56 | Arcnet | hm, I just looked at my FR for the first time today - awfully slow with "events/0" and dbus consuming all of the CPU power on 20080819Oo |
| 12:32.08 | lindi- | Zorkman: wouldn't it make more sense to measure consumption over some time interval? |
| 12:32.21 | Infoport | Arcnet, rwhitby, et al, Good to know! I think that I want OM2007 back then, although buildhost sounds like a fun alternative to 2008.8 on the SD (if "fun" means fixing issues to you) |
| 12:32.25 | lindi- | Zorkman: so that i wouldn't have to stop development with the phone for so long time? |
| 12:33.04 | Zorkman | lindi-:of course, but it could be that you used it as your primary phone, so you had an idea how long it would last before you had to recharge it |
| 12:33.05 | Arcnet | Well, it runs quite well (SMS work, yeah ^^), th first issue I got is this event/0 thing... |
| 12:33.15 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rc0bb78038714 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): add phone html and xml |
| 12:33.50 | Zorkman | lindi-: a rational guess is a good enough answer for me :) |
| 12:34.16 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rf8234bf0835e 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix typo in ophone/org.freesmartphone.Phone.Call.xml.in |
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| 12:34.18 | Infoport | it does seem like the buildhost images are a competitor to rwhiby's SHR images (just without as clear a plan for users, but with released images) |
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| 12:35.19 | Zorkman | lindi-: do you guess you could use it as a primary phone for about 20hrs? (if I understand correcly, you can call and sms, suspend works and the phone wakes due to an incomming call or sms ) |
| 12:36.03 | lindi- | Zorkman: i am not allowed to use phone gsm at work and i develop with it after work so there's not much time for it to idle :) |
| 12:36.10 | lindi- | Zorkman: so, why not just measure current? |
| 12:36.19 | Zorkman | yeah I'm ok with that |
| 12:36.37 | Zorkman | (also current during suspend) |
| 12:38.08 | Arcnet | Zorkman: During the weekend I used it for >24 hours, but it crashed during suspend for about 3 or 4 hours, so: 20 hours are possible (even did some calls, but only about 4 or 5 minutes) |
| 12:38.35 | Zorkman | Arcnet: also with debian I presume? |
| 12:38.40 | Arcnet | 20080808 ;) |
| 12:38.54 | lindi- | Zorkman: remember that suspend power consumpion should only depend on kernel |
| 12:39.04 | Zorkman | Arcnet: the bug that sound is lost after resume has been fixed then? |
| 12:39.10 | lindi- | Zorkman: which one? |
| 12:39.16 | lindi- | i reported one against pulseaudio |
| 12:39.43 | Zorkman | quite frankly I don't know much about the other one; I have encoutered the only the one with pulseaudio |
| 12:39.52 | Arcnet | Sometimes it worked, sometimes it did not... I can try with 20080819 if you want to ;) |
| 12:40.15 | Zorkman | no, you don't have to do that, I will flash it myself in a few days I think |
| 12:40.56 | Infoport | hmm...buildhost image doesnt tell you it is shutting down, it just goes black |
| 12:40.57 | Zorkman | I hope the buzzing sound on the other side during gsm call gets fixed soon, then I can use it as my primary phone (gf won't call me on the FR because of this bug :)) |
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| 12:41.01 | Arcnet | oh, alright ^^ |
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| 12:41.18 | lindi- | Zorkman: did you set mic2 volume to 3? |
| 12:41.24 | Zorkman | lindi-: yes |
| 12:42.14 | Zorkman | did not solve the problem : |
| 12:42.15 | Zorkman | *:( |
| 12:42.22 | Arcnet | lindi-/zorkman: wasn't that a hardware issue with GSM interferences in the mic-channel? Should be pretty hard to fix on softwareside |
| 12:42.40 | Infoport | reset, reflash, restore! (and refresh-- time for OJ and an English muffin) |
| 12:43.17 | Arcnet | oh, eating, yeah, time for breakfast (3 pm here OO) |
| 12:44.09 | Zorkman | I hope you are not correct Arcnet; this will mean that i will never be able to use the FR as a phone |
| 12:44.28 | Infoport | Arcnet, 8:43AM here, my wife works a long 3nd shift as librarian, and I'm now on the 3rd shift lunatic fringe/programmer schedule |
| 12:44.41 | Infoport | wife works a long 2nd shift |
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| 12:46.19 | Infoport | but in the late night and early AM, I get to get help, help, and talk to the European OM users and developers. :-D |
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| 12:46.47 | malik1972 | whats the problem with wireless lan? |
| 12:47.18 | malik1972 | if i activate "send essid" on the ap everything works well |
| 12:47.30 | malik1972 | otherwise i have no chance |
| 12:47.58 | malik1972 | saying "no dhcpoffers received" |
| 12:48.24 | malik1972 | does someone work with "send no essid" mode? |
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| 12:49.58 | widrone | Bugs 1352 and 883 seem to deal with the gms audio stuff. RF noise has been mentioned in the comments. |
| 12:51.10 | hipitihop | rwhitby, did you not mention earlier you added python-pygames to fso-testing ? |
| 12:52.03 | widrone | Some get improvements with taking out the SDcard, others gets it worse when toudhing metal connectors it seems from comments. |
| 12:52.25 | Zorkman | trac is taking forever to load.... |
| 12:53.10 | widrone | Zorkman: Did you try out the asorted suggestions in those 2 bugreports and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues |
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| 12:53.35 | widrone | The hw issue page has a link to some other maillist post aswell. But Im guessing you tried alot already |
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| 12:54.02 | Zorkman | widrone: yes I used the bette rmixer settings |
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| 12:57.44 | Zorkman | widrone: I'm trying to set the right gsmhandset.state file again and encounter a problem |
| 12:57.58 | Zorkman | 'Speaker Playback Volume' (112) |
| 12:58.08 | Zorkman | but my gsmhandset.state has: |
| 12:58.12 | rwhitby | hipitihop: indeed I did add python-pygame to fso-testing. Do you remember why I was building it? |
| 12:58.13 | Zorkman | name 'Speaker Playback Volume' |
| 12:58.13 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.13 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:00.30 | hipitihop | rwhitby, no, saw you trying to rember but certainly wa snot on my request. Just wondering why it does not show in opkg list *python-pygame* |
| 13:01.11 | hipitihop | rwhitby, ignore that, see it now, sorry for the interupt |
| 13:02.37 | rwhitby | Infoport: buildhost images are built from OM repository. shr.bearstech.com images are built from FSO/OE repository. no relationship, not competitors. |
| 13:03.18 | rwhitby | it's like comparing Debian and Fedora |
| 13:03.58 | hipitihop | I notice fso-testing has cairo and python bindings, is anyone using/trying cairo on the fr ? |
| 13:05.00 | Infoport | rwhitby: OK that seems to make sense. that clarifies it some. I guess the "hybrid" part made me think it was (but different hybrids, so not the same) |
| 13:05.26 | rwhitby | Infoport: shr.bearstech.com has no SHR stuff on it at the moment, it's all FSO only. |
| 13:05.48 | Infoport | rwhitby I'm excited about SHR, but havent read as much about it since it is still in progress |
| 13:06.44 | rwhitby | Seems like Tichy and UMAF are competitors to SHR as front-ends for FSO |
| 13:08.10 | mickey|coffee | i wouldn't call it competing |
| 13:08.17 | mickey|coffee | tichy is an implementation |
| 13:08.31 | mickey|coffee | umaf is first and foremost trying to come up with a UI and usability concept |
| 13:08.40 | mickey|coffee | and only the 3rd step is thinking about implementation |
| 13:08.48 | mickey|coffee | might as well use tichy as base if it's good |
| 13:09.16 | mickey|coffee | it's about bringing something like UIKit to mobile devices |
| 13:09.35 | mickey|coffee | [which is a monster goal, i know] |
| 13:10.09 | mickey|coffee | hipitihop: cairo works fine on fso. |
| 13:10.18 | mickey|coffee | fso is using it to draw gps graphs |
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| 13:11.20 | hipitihop | I wasnt aware of that, saw someone asking about cairo the other day. thanks. |
| 13:11.45 | esperegu | ho. is it still not usable for normal users? |
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| 13:12.52 | hipitihop | rwhitby, regarding images in http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/images/neo1973/ I'm using things are consistent enough that an earlier image + updates is the same as latest there ? |
| 13:13.15 | rwhitby | hipitihop: that should be the case, yes. |
| 13:13.54 | rwhitby | Hmm - except for the post-rootfs stuff that mickey|coffee does in fso-image.bb ... |
| 13:14.35 | rwhitby | So if new apps are added to the default rootfs, you won't get icons in illume if you install them later. |
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| 13:15.00 | mickey|coffee | need to find out how to define the categories that illume shows |
| 13:15.06 | mickey|coffee | looks to raster |
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| 13:16.24 | raster | mickey|coffee: applications.menu |
| 13:16.32 | raster | whatever that includes |
| 13:16.37 | raster | xdg menu specs :) |
| 13:16.47 | mickey|coffee | ai! |
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| 13:18.12 | hipitihop | Is anyone working on SMS send/receive/history GUI I'm assuming zhone has limited shelf life |
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| 13:19.46 | rwhitby | mickey|coffee, raster: while you're both here, how do I ensure that when an FSO device is plugged into the charger, then screen never dims nor blanks, and the device never suspends. |
| 13:20.03 | hipitihop | goes of to try and get Plone running on his Ubuntu desktop |
| 13:20.09 | rwhitby | there's idletimeout in frameworkd. What's the other missing piece? |
| 13:20.14 | raster | rwhitby: umm.. ok - e/illume use x's screenblanker |
| 13:20.21 | raster | illume has config in the pwoer settings |
| 13:20.28 | raster | turn blank time "off" |
| 13:20.29 | raster | done |
| 13:20.38 | raster | but there is nothign to automatically do it |
| 13:20.48 | raster | no code to detect power state then disable it |
| 13:21.19 | rwhitby | ok, I did both those things, and it still dims and blanks. |
| 13:21.50 | mickey|coffee | rwhitby: stefan's task is doing integration work of illume and fso daemons |
| 13:21.54 | rwhitby | ((blank time to off, suspend after blank to off) |
| 13:22.05 | mickey|coffee | this will integrate with opreferences |
| 13:22.18 | mickey|coffee | which will contain the relevant settings for on_ac and on_battery |
| 13:22.35 | mickey|coffee | all these things will come together soon |
| 13:22.48 | rwhitby | ok, I'll just be patient then :-) |
| 13:22.51 | mickey|coffee | give us a couple of more weeks, yeah |
| 13:22.54 | mickey|coffee | thanks |
| 13:23.22 | mickey|coffee | i want illume to stop using the X screensaver settings |
| 13:23.37 | mickey|coffee | since actually, if you think about it, X's idea of idleness is very limited |
| 13:23.45 | mickey|coffee | it only knows about some input device nodes |
| 13:23.48 | mickey|coffee | and that's it |
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| 13:23.57 | rwhitby | is there a little bit of python I could write which would continually ask dbus every second if the charger is in, and if so tell dbus that someone is touching the screen? |
| 13:23.59 | mickey|coffee | much more important is the application's idea of idleness so |
| 13:24.13 | mickey|coffee | rwhitby: yes. that's actually a threeliner with fso |
| 13:24.28 | rwhitby | would that achieve my goal? |
| 13:24.43 | mickey|coffee | it would. there's one function missing in dbus |
| 13:25.01 | mickey|coffee | atm. you can't get the state of a button |
| 13:25.05 | mickey|coffee | you only get notified if it changes |
| 13:25.13 | mickey|coffee | so if you start without charger in |
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| 13:25.20 | raster | rwhitby: hmm sounds eithe rlike soemoen else other than e/illume is fiddling with blank times... |
| 13:25.31 | raster | orecore not built with xscreensaver support |
| 13:25.37 | mickey|coffee | you can listen for "CHARGER" event from org.freesmartphone.Device.Input |
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| 13:25.48 | rwhitby | I can live with having to plug and unplug the charger to make it work once |
| 13:25.59 | mickey|coffee | and then regularly force the stateu to be "BUSY" on org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier |
| 13:26.07 | rwhitby | is a python and dbus newbie, so will need hand-holding ... |
| 13:26.39 | hipitihop | I s it reasonable to assume the FR (with fso-testing) knows to stop charging when left with usb connected |
| 13:26.48 | rwhitby | is there I bit of existing code which does stuff like that that I can look at to get the gist? |
| 13:26.50 | mickey|coffee | hipitihop: this is kernel code, yes |
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| 13:27.06 | mickey|coffee | rwhitby: check zhone, it does both checking for key events and setting state to busy |
| 13:27.31 | mickey|coffee | both via the appropriate dbus interfaces |
| 13:27.46 | mickey|coffee | odevice was in limbo while i was working on ogsmd |
| 13:27.49 | mickey|coffee | will pick it up now |
| 13:29.18 | rwhitby | will print out zhone tomorrow and start absorbing it ... |
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| 13:31.56 | Infoport | yawn! maybe time for coffee too |
| 13:32.07 | munga_ | I read on the wiki that the GSM stays on even with the phone is off... Is this true/necessary ? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode |
| 13:33.08 | mickey|coffee | if you don't turn off the modem, it will stay on, even if you shutdown -h the AP |
| 13:33.13 | mjr | sometimes/no |
| 13:33.49 | esperegu | is it alreadp possible to have the openmoko function as an Access Point? |
| 13:34.11 | retracile | esperegu: no, and from what I understand, the wireless firmware does not support it either. |
| 13:34.34 | dns53 | you would need to hack the firmware to do it |
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| 13:34.51 | esperegu | that sux :-( |
| 13:35.19 | dns53 | you can create an ad hock network i believe |
| 13:35.31 | esperegu | retracile: thx. gues I will have to wait then to buy something. It is probably not stable enough yet for me anyway |
| 13:35.55 | retracile | esperegu: if you're looking for stable, yeah, FR isn't yet. |
| 13:36.53 | esperegu | retracile: yeah. looking for something that is kinda stable and open, can function as an AP and is affordable... gues I'm still from outaspace :-) |
| 13:37.38 | retracile | esperegu: yeah, pretty much. If you find such a beast, I'd love to hear about it. |
| 13:38.42 | esperegu | retracile: I'm hoping that either openmoko or android will fill the gap soon ;-) |
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| 13:41.48 | dns53 | there is a device that works as a 3g and wifi acess point |
| 13:42.03 | rwhitby | notes that http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/orrery_1.1_arm_2008.8.ipk (star chart app) works on fso-testing |
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| 13:43.21 | rwhitby | you could make a Bluetooth->GSM access point out of either GTA01 or GTA02 instead of using wifi ... |
| 13:44.13 | esperegu | dns53: whichL |
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| 13:44.21 | retracile | rwhitby: what's orrery? A planetarium or something? |
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| 13:44.40 | retracile | rwhitby: oh, wait, you already said... |
| 13:44.41 | dns53 | i don't know but i know it exists |
| 13:44.46 | widrone | Im noticing the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kernel contains no links to the wifi drivers, and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko seems ready for some archiving maybe. |
| 13:44.50 | retracile | needs more caffiene |
| 13:45.25 | rwhitby | retracile: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Orrery |
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| 13:45.56 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3200685d16f3 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/channel.py modems/ti_calypso/channel.py): ogsmd: change channel representation in debug messages |
| 13:45.56 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3ef7db243cb2 10/framework/ (controller.py subsystems/oeventsd/ring_tone_action.py): |
| 13:45.56 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: * stylize accessor method (we don't use 'get' as prefix) for controller and return None if not found |
| 13:45.59 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: * increase ringtone event robustness (if preferences object not found) |
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| 13:47.32 | kd8ikt | anyone mess with making the wifi modules modules instead of builtinto the kernel? |
| 13:47.44 | widrone | just staring holes at the wiki to give my mailbox a rest, still no FR... |
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| 13:49.04 | hipitihop | rwhitby, are there plans underway to get the .sig files sorted in fso-testing |
| 13:49.37 | rwhitby | hipitihop: nope |
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| 13:49.56 | widrone | but if there is no monitor mode (I think its often called) for the wifi chipset in the driver then making it into an ap is not something easily done. |
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| 13:50.41 | rwhitby | widrone: yeah, it's ironic that the bluetooth is a better server than the wifi on the gta02 |
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| 13:57.11 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r87f71dcf58d0 10/framework/subsystems/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 13:57.11 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: oeventsd|opreferencesd: add versions, notify on init |
| 13:57.11 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Please increment versions as per style guide |
| 13:57.29 | Torikun | lots of updates this morning |
| 13:57.49 | mickey|coffee | all work bees are fully active today... |
| 13:58.42 | Zorkman | mickey|coffee: do you have a realistic estimate when milestone 3 will be released? |
| 13:58.53 | Zorkman | (just asking) |
| 13:59.36 | mickey|coffee | sure |
| 13:59.40 | mickey|coffee | check trac.freesmartphone.org |
| 13:59.41 | mickey|coffee | > roadmap |
| 14:00.07 | widrone | on he other hand, the bt serving capabilitys on it is great. Still trying to sort out all the possibilitys of just the audio routing bit. |
| 14:01.08 | rwhitby | mickey|coffee: 78% to go in 1 week :-) |
| 14:01.21 | Zorkman | mickey|coffee: i have checked that site everyweek since it exists :) |
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| 14:01.44 | rwhitby | mickey|coffee: if you pull that off, you can come and work for my company as a project manager ;-) |
| 14:01.45 | Zorkman | but milestone2 had the same problem: due date seemed a bit unrealistic |
| 14:01.51 | jadams_ | rwhitby, I'm installing fso-unstable from your build right now, figured I'd kill two stones with one bird |
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| 14:02.15 | rwhitby | jadams_: excellent |
| 14:02.20 | mickey|coffee | rwhitby: :) |
| 14:02.33 | mickey|coffee | well |
| 14:02.42 | mickey|coffee | actually the milestone dates were realistic |
| 14:02.52 | mickey|coffee | but then we could not stop doing exciting more things in the framework |
| 14:03.00 | rwhitby | ah, feature creep ;-) |
| 14:03.01 | mickey|coffee | so the feature set exploded |
| 14:03.03 | mickey|coffee | *nod* |
| 14:03.06 | asciiforever | raster: you still around? |
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| 14:03.35 | Zorkman | we understand that mickey|coffee, but the question still stands :) |
| 14:03.48 | raster | nup |
| 14:03.50 | raster | i ran away |
| 14:03.59 | mickey|coffee | Zorkman: somewhere between 10 days and 15 days is realistic |
| 14:04.05 | raster | :) |
| 14:04.12 | TankC | rockin' |
| 14:04.14 | mickey|coffee | Zorkman: most of the work is done and i don't care much about polishing zhone |
| 14:04.22 | mickey|coffee | i do care about the framework API thogh |
| 14:04.32 | Zorkman | wow, nice mickey|coffee, better than hoped for! |
| 14:04.38 | CVirus | mickey|coffee: do you expect suspend/resume to be used reliably after milestone3 ? |
| 14:04.49 | mickey|coffee | i have no idea, really |
| 14:04.49 | dbmoodb | lindi-: perhaps ... can't work that out |
| 14:04.52 | mickey|coffee | this is 100% kernel dependent |
| 14:04.59 | mickey|coffee | zhone does all it can do |
| 14:05.07 | mickey|coffee | if it doesn't work, the kernel is to blame :( |
| 14:05.17 | asciiforever | raster: i was hoping you could offer insight. i've flashed the image you made available last week that people have been bragging about. nice keyboard. problem is, sometimes i get stuck with the *other* keyboard, the predictive letters-only one. do you know why that happens? |
| 14:05.24 | CVirus | mickey|coffee: who is working on the kernel ? |
| 14:05.31 | dbmoodb | and no.. you can alter the sip port and use stun |
| 14:05.38 | Zorkman | asciiforever: he replied to that one on the mailinglists already |
| 14:05.42 | jadams_ | asciiforever, you can't change it by touching the little 'mode' icon? |
| 14:05.45 | raster | asciiforever: i know. thats qpe's keyboard |
| 14:05.47 | raster | it isnt disabled |
| 14:05.49 | raster | i never did |
| 14:05.52 | jadams_ | ahh, nm |
| 14:05.57 | raster | ity just happened to lose out in the order on startup |
| 14:06.05 | raster | it happens to make it back in whenever you install/uninstall apps |
| 14:06.14 | raster | as that cuases a keyboard-config re-evaluate |
| 14:06.22 | raster | due to keyboards being ABLE to be external executables |
| 14:06.23 | CVirus | Who is working on the OM kernel ? |
| 14:06.32 | raster | and so uninstallying a keyboard should have the external keyboar d"disappear" |
| 14:06.37 | raster | and not stay on screen |
| 14:07.07 | mickey|coffee | CVirus: Om system level engineers |
| 14:07.09 | mickey|coffee | andy green |
| 14:07.10 | Zorkman | CVirus: I thikn Werner Almesberger and Andy Green are kernel-programmers |
| 14:07.11 | mickey|coffee | werner almesberger |
| 14:07.34 | CVirus | I see |
| 14:07.41 | Zorkman | C |
| 14:07.54 | Zorkman | CVirus: you can alsways check out the kernel mailinglists if you have questions |
| 14:08.07 | rwhitby | except they are busy with gta03 eval boards now ... |
| 14:08.29 | CVirus | fuck those |
| 14:08.33 | asciiforever | raster: so is there a way i can kill off the qpe keyboard so that it doesn't rain on my parade anymore? |
| 14:08.44 | asciiforever | or would that just be a bad idea? |
| 14:09.15 | Zorkman | it's been long since I've read anything about kboot |
| 14:09.23 | Zorkman | are there plans for using kboot on gta02?. |
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| 14:09.32 | raster | asciiforever: there is some magic env var that can be set to stop qpe's keyboard |
| 14:09.34 | mickey|coffee | yes |
| 14:09.35 | raster | i dont know what it is |
| 14:09.36 | raster | :( |
| 14:09.37 | mickey|coffee | andy green is on a crusade |
| 14:09.45 | mickey|coffee | to bring kboot ^h^h Qi to gta02 |
| 14:09.58 | mickey|coffee | to bury u-boot |
| 14:10.05 | mickey|coffee | whether this is a good idea or not remains disputable |
| 14:10.07 | mickey|coffee | *shrug* |
| 14:10.11 | Zorkman | i'm looking forward to the new fresh errors of kboot :) |
| 14:10.15 | dbmoodb | lindi-: if debian suspends will it wake up atm on phone call ? |
| 14:10.17 | rwhitby | wonders why two people are working on Qi (which just replaces a good-enough u-boot) when suspend/resume is not 100% reliable |
| 14:10.43 | Torikun | lol |
| 14:10.52 | Torikun | good concept rwhitby |
| 14:11.01 | asciiforever | raster: fair enough. i will march onward. and thanks for the image with the awesome keyboard. |
| 14:11.03 | rwhitby | I mean once the kernel is executing it's first instruction, the bootloader has done it's job. |
| 14:11.23 | rwhitby | we have an expression in Australia for that - "polishing turds" |
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| 14:11.52 | Zorkman | hehe, I like the expression |
| 14:11.53 | SpeedEvil | Turd implies a coherent whole. |
| 14:11.59 | dbmoodb | rwhitby: yes do ? never heard that expression around sydney :) |
| 14:12.06 | dbmoodb | do we * |
| 14:12.15 | PBeck | hi |
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| 14:12.50 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: depends what curry you had the night before |
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| 14:13.28 | hipitihop | high fives rwhitby |
| 14:14.24 | rwhitby | I mean that first 10 seconds of the phone operation (which is meant to last days and days without rebooting) is just *soo* important that it has to be rewritten from scratch ... |
| 14:14.26 | hipitihop | hipitihop suggests Sydney != Australia |
| 14:15.15 | slaxxin | why from scratch? |
| 14:15.30 | dbmoodb | hipitihop: pft |
| 14:15.58 | dbmoodb | learn some geograhy :) |
| 14:16.04 | rwhitby | slaxxin: ask the developers of Qi |
| 14:16.05 | hipitihop | :-) |
| 14:16.15 | Zorkman | rwhitby: I agree with you, priorities should lie with suspend/resume and gsm audo-problems |
| 14:16.16 | slaxxin | ok |
| 14:16.33 | Zorkman | audo=audio |
| 14:17.02 | dbmoodb | rwhitby: audio suspend... and do we really need to boot... can't we suspend to disk ? |
| 14:17.15 | TeXitoi | hi |
| 14:17.18 | rwhitby | thinks the same about the multitude of window managers for the phone too, but knows that will upset raster ;-) |
| 14:17.43 | TeXitoi | I have just installed Debian, and X do not start : /usr/bin/X11/X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6: undefined symbol: ft_standárd_raster |
| 14:18.06 | raster | rwhitby: not like i'm actually going to work on suspend/resume.... |
| 14:18.06 | dbmoodb | TeXitoi: followed the script or ? |
| 14:18.10 | raster | so mayaswell make a good wm |
| 14:18.11 | TeXitoi | yes |
| 14:18.12 | deever | is a battery uncharge time of 10 normal? |
| 14:18.16 | raster | you dont need all those other wm's |
| 14:18.17 | slaxxin | my debian lasted 9 hours |
| 14:18.17 | raster | just e |
| 14:18.17 | TeXitoi | the script in default mode |
| 14:18.18 | raster | :) |
| 14:18.25 | deever | with qtopia? |
| 14:18.32 | dbmoodb | slaxxin: really 9 h ? |
| 14:18.38 | slaxxin | youp |
| 14:18.39 | rwhitby | raster: I know, but looking at the macro level, OM shouldn't have hired you and should have hired someone to work on suspend/resume instead first. |
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| 14:19.23 | Zorkman | hi bumbl |
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| 14:19.30 | rwhitby | it's like the hired the wall, window, and roof construction people before the slab had dried |
| 14:19.36 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.37 | rwhitby | s/the/they/ |
| 14:20.06 | dbmoodb | ... fscked it ? |
| 14:20.10 | Zorkman | bumbl: a fellow austrian came and asked a bout Linux Day dornbirn and austrian users |
| 14:20.21 | Zorkman | bumbl: he wrote a mail about it on the community list |
| 14:20.22 | slaxxin | i havent |
| 14:20.28 | slaxxin | what for |
| 14:20.31 | rwhitby | That's why I'm behind FSO - they have their priorities right. |
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| 14:20.36 | TeXitoi | Mmm, apt-get --reinstall install libfreetype6 have fixed |
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| 14:21.20 | dbmoodb | TeXitoi: can you read the sim prperly sms / contacts / dial ? |
| 14:21.26 | rooly | so...erm...which is better, 08.08 or fso |
| 14:21.40 | Zorkman | rwhitby: the only thing I don't see the FSO priorities is a hot-chick radar... must be possible with gps, wifi and bluetooth.... |
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| 14:21.44 | raster | rwhitby: they did hire peolpe to work on suspend/resume |
| 14:21.49 | Wonka | hmmmm... has anything happened regarding the 3G SIM Problem? *duck* |
| 14:21.56 | rwhitby | raster: not enough obviously :-) |
| 14:22.05 | rwhitby | they must have spent too much on you ;-) |
| 14:22.13 | raster | rwhitby: wernwer, andy, they had harald, and there's matt... and others. |
| 14:22.17 | jadams_ | rwhitby, my suspend/resume works perfectly |
| 14:22.18 | dbmoodb | Zorkman: its called a motion server -- deteect hotness > X === sms me |
| 14:22.26 | raster | lots of peolpe there in kernel land |
| 14:22.31 | Raigedas | jadams_, thanks for your answer :) |
| 14:22.31 | slaxxin | wonka which sim u talking about? |
| 14:22.42 | Wonka | slaxxin: O2 |
| 14:22.43 | raster | and that's om |
| 14:22.46 | rwhitby | jadams_: s/suspend/everything required for 100% reliable basic phone operation/ |
| 14:22.47 | dbmoodb | perhaps that can be done by analying eye movement of other males ? |
| 14:22.49 | Zorkman | jadams_:which distro do you use? and does audio also work after resume? |
| 14:22.52 | dbmoodb | rofl |
| 14:22.54 | TeXitoi | dbmoodb: nop |
| 14:22.57 | raster | they want to remvoe all manual keyboard control long before toolkit even know how to do it |
| 14:23.12 | Wonka | slaxxin: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards |
| 14:23.12 | raster | and dont care about advice related to that |
| 14:23.15 | Zorkman | dbmoodb: i'm not "analying" any other male |
| 14:23.19 | jadams_ | Zorkman, I was using fso/fso-testing-from-rhwitby and didn't have audio problems post-resume I don't think |
| 14:23.26 | rwhitby | raster: I'm with you on that one |
| 14:23.28 | raster | there are many reasons to leave om. |
| 14:23.33 | jadams_ | Raigedas, no prob, glad to have you involved with the open source phone revolution :) |
| 14:23.36 | raster | as i said |
| 14:23.44 | Zorkman | jadams_ and did incoming calls or sms wake the phone? |
| 14:23.45 | raster | shouldnt have just ditched the 2007.2 - shoudl have worked on it |
| 14:23.51 | raster | not just gone "well qtopia works - we want tyhat" |
| 14:23.54 | raster | and caused a big mess |
| 14:23.56 | jadams_ | Zorkman, never tested that |
| 14:24.11 | jadams_ | Zorkman, does SMS work for you? I can't receive, though I could the first time I ran fso |
| 14:24.12 | rwhitby | loves listening to raster's OM war stories ;-) |
| 14:24.17 | raster | but again - om went its way regardless of engineering edvice. |
| 14:24.24 | Wonka | raster: ack. worst thing is they removed _all_ 2007.2 for gta02 from the servers |
| 14:24.24 | jadams_ | but now neither fso nor rwhitby's fso works for receiving sms |
| 14:24.32 | raster | om was ->||<- that far from entirely not even using x |
| 14:24.37 | Zorkman | jadams_: i'm not running FSO at the moment, i will flash it in the weekend i think |
| 14:24.37 | slaxxin | isnt it odvious that to u that the sim is shorting to the holder tab wonka? |
| 14:24.37 | raster | going for qtopia full and all |
| 14:24.40 | raster | and thats it |
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| 14:24.46 | rwhitby | jadams_: rwhitby doesn't have an fso - it's just fso |
| 14:24.48 | jadams_ | raster, yeah, I hate qtopia and their non-x |
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| 14:24.58 | raster | i managed to salave at least that so u could run the old 2007.2 stuff if u anted |
| 14:24.59 | jadams_ | rwhitby, I know, but I don't know what the openmoko fso builds are based on |
| 14:25.00 | slaxxin | wonka |
| 14:25.14 | raster | but hey - it's not my company |
| 14:25.24 | jadams_ | so wanted to explicitly state the one I was running, as I don't know if the build process differs |
| 14:25.27 | raster | engineering isn't in charge of decisions like that. |
| 14:25.29 | rwhitby | jadams_: mickey confirmed that they are built identically to what my autobuilder does |
| 14:25.30 | haveahennessy | hey can anyone tell me where what package implements touch screen scrolling...like is it it in tslib or where? |
| 14:25.30 | Wonka | slaxxin: no. have looked at it and not seen that. will look again and possibly cover with tape. |
| 14:25.33 | jadams_ | raster, you're still there or no? |
| 14:25.34 | jadams_ | rwhitby, cool |
| 14:25.57 | slaxxin | no dont just go get a correct 1 |
| 14:25.58 | dbmoodb | meh i like debian on mine :) can't wait for fso to get good |
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| 14:26.04 | rwhitby | jadams: fso-testing and fso-unstable should be fairly good terms to use now |
| 14:26.12 | jadams_ | then use them I shall |
| 14:26.17 | jadams_ | fso-unstable is now on the phone, time to boot it |
| 14:26.37 | slaxxin | ALL the contacts are offset too far therefore they missalign |
| 14:26.45 | raster | jadams_: 10 more days |
| 14:26.56 | rwhitby | raster: but who's counting ;-) |
| 14:27.01 | raster | hehehe |
| 14:27.10 | dbmoodb | 10 days till ? |
| 14:27.21 | rwhitby | till raster is free |
| 14:27.23 | raster | Armageddon |
| 14:27.24 | jadams_ | raster, you've played with the beagleboard/omap3 I'm assuming...? |
| 14:27.36 | jadams_ | raster, at any rate, I'm glad you were involved with openmoko, I love your bits in there |
| 14:27.37 | rwhitby | raster: is that the name of your new ASU app? |
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| 14:27.52 | raster | jadams_: i havent.. but i've been eyeing that pandora thing... |
| 14:27.59 | slaxxin | wonka the att sim i had was offset just like that an it did work sometimes if i fiddled with it abit |
| 14:28.03 | raster | rwhitby: |
| 14:28.04 | jadams_ | raster, yeah, I saw it today on video playing quake2 fluidly, see that? |
| 14:28.06 | raster | rwhitby: HAHAHAHAHAH |
| 14:28.09 | raster | no |
| 14:28.28 | dbmoodb | jadams_: what ? quake |
| 14:28.30 | raster | but i intend to at least release a few image with stuff done "right" (or how i see it should be done) |
| 14:28.32 | Rupert_ | Is the Om2008.8 release the official one. I assume it is but having installed it and done an opkg upgrade my FR now won't boot:-( |
| 14:28.32 | Shlee | jadams: Pandora is due for September releases |
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| 14:28.44 | raster | my guess is.. what i see as should be done is probably closer to what the general om public wants... |
| 14:28.50 | raster | if it isn't.. patches are accepted |
| 14:28.50 | raster | :) |
| 14:28.59 | slaxxin | wonka the contacts on a working are very nearly centered on the paper |
| 14:30.00 | raster | i need to get these images workign on some other devices too |
| 14:30.02 | raster | like my n800 |
| 14:30.11 | raster | and my z-sl-c860 |
| 14:30.12 | jadams_ | raster, I'm sure you're right :) Also, just a damn community engineering effort is what we NEED |
| 14:30.14 | Wonka | slaxxin: the contact marks are dead center in the middle of the pads |
| 14:30.17 | jadams_ | it's the whole point |
| 14:30.33 | Wonka | slaxxin: like on http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/f/f4/Adam_20080713_back_notworking.JPG |
| 14:30.36 | VDVsx | raster, do you already have some more options to calling the illume keyboard (layered...) ? |
| 14:30.48 | *** part/#openmoko zoomi (n=zoomi@p54A7D027.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:30.48 | jadams_ | raster, I just want a phone, working sms, I'd like the gps to work great but it's no deal-breaker, and some raster-ui-goodness |
| 14:30.54 | raster | VDVsx: ? |
| 14:30.55 | jadams_ | and of course linux on the back end |
| 14:30.57 | raster | layered? |
| 14:31.10 | jadams_ | also, I'd like to see an example of how to write pretty apps for the moko in python or (preferably) ruby |
| 14:31.14 | raster | jadams_: agreed. i personally just want that too |
| 14:31.33 | raster | hell - gps for me would be enough if it displayed just a simple mini-map bitmap of where iw as at the moment |
| 14:31.35 | raster | tand thats it |
| 14:31.40 | dbmoodb | + long term voip winger here |
| 14:31.42 | widrone | Rupert_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8 look under "Future Updates", not sure if that applies to you. |
| 14:31.47 | slaxxin | mine was the 71234G |
| 14:31.51 | raster | (and some small script to steal the mini-map image from google maps) |
| 14:31.54 | jadams_ | raster, me too...honestly, if I could just record for now I'd be happy :) |
| 14:31.56 | hipitihop | Rupert_, you need to start again afaik. Next tie read the topic. |
| 14:32.04 | raster | nothing fancy like zooming |
| 14:32.05 | hipitihop | s/tie/time |
| 14:32.07 | raster | route finding |
| 14:32.07 | VDVsx | raster, yap, when i call the keyboard in a app, I want to layered the keyboard above the app and not resize the screen :) |
| 14:32.11 | jadams_ | rwhitby, alright, I'm running fso-unstable and started up the gps app...did I need to do anything else? |
| 14:32.11 | deubeuliou | is it possible to have th FR manually go to sleep ? I want to check why it wakes up so often |
| 14:32.14 | raster | location tagging or wifi finding |
| 14:32.17 | raster | just tell mw where i am |
| 14:32.19 | jadams_ | raster, right, I want none of that |
| 14:32.21 | raster | and coor-ds are ok |
| 14:32.28 | raster | but rather useless unless i have a reference point |
| 14:32.31 | jadams_ | then I can mash that up with a google maps interface inside of a webkit widget |
| 14:32.32 | rwhitby | jadams_: did you add the bits to /etc/frameworkd.conf ? |
| 14:32.34 | jadams_ | that's not a freaking problem...sigh |
| 14:32.35 | Zorkman | deubeuliou: amp -s |
| 14:32.35 | deubeuliou | I've noticed that it woke up on "battfull" :D |
| 14:32.39 | deubeuliou | thanks |
| 14:32.39 | raster | and a map is a good reference point to see if the coords are "right" |
| 14:32.44 | raster | as you should knwo your area |
| 14:32.45 | jadams_ | rwhitby, what bits? thought you said patches were in unstable... |
| 14:32.51 | raster | and if where it says you are.. you actually are |
| 14:33.05 | rwhitby | jadams_: check for ogpsd stuff in /etc/frameworkd.conf |
| 14:33.13 | dbmoodb | mmm we do need flash o nthe phone for google street view ... unless some one can think of a work around |
| 14:33.32 | raster | tthats an example of going too far |
| 14:33.38 | raster | jadams_: i'm with you |
| 14:33.41 | deubeuliou | Zorkman: amp, are you sure ? I don't have this |
| 14:33.44 | raster | we need a SIMPLE set of fucntuionalioty |
| 14:33.44 | rwhitby | jadams_: oh, you need to install gllin of course |
| 14:33.49 | raster | just something to show the hardware bits work |
| 14:33.52 | dbmoodb | ah the atheros is a ar600 right ? .... damn no kismet support |
| 14:33.54 | raster | and can be "controlled" if needed |
| 14:33.59 | raster | and work on the core ui and apps |
| 14:34.02 | raster | and stability |
| 14:34.11 | Zorkman | deubeuliou apm -s , sorry |
| 14:34.12 | raster | we still are arguing over who/what dims and blanks the screen |
| 14:34.15 | raster | how and who suspends |
| 14:34.17 | jadams_ | rwhitby, oh, dumb...is there a bit on the wiki about installing that? I haven't used this thing for a long time, on account of it was unusable as a phone for me... |
| 14:34.19 | raster | or blocks suspend |
| 14:34.26 | raster | if we shoudl suspend or zero-clock |
| 14:34.30 | widrone | ar6000 wifi yes, no monitor modu in the code as far as I am able to see so far. |
| 14:34.34 | deubeuliou | yeah, thanks |
| 14:34.34 | jadams_ | raster, I can deal with five hours battery life at first, if the phone works |
| 14:34.35 | raster | efen getting these things workign reliably is still not done |
| 14:34.42 | jadams_ | because then ALL of the effort can be put on longevity |
| 14:34.44 | raster | help one of my FR's suspends/resumes pretty ok most of the time |
| 14:34.44 | rwhitby | jadams_: http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/ |
| 14:34.48 | jadams_ | instead of five different non-community distros |
| 14:34.51 | raster | my other one ALWAYs has the backlight off and dead on resume |
| 14:34.58 | slaxxin | wonka the problem is that the tab on the holder shorts the middle contact on the left side of that picture an causes failure to register |
| 14:35.02 | rwhitby | jadams_: I keep a copy of that ipk on the SD card |
| 14:35.13 | raster | while the kernel devs work on their power management and suspend.resume etc. |
| 14:35.15 | jadams_ | rwhitby, well, the debian install killed my sd anyway :) |
| 14:35.26 | raster | other ccan work on core ui |
| 14:35.28 | bumbl | Zorkman: hi ... I'll search the list... Dornbirn is far far away ;) |
| 14:35.31 | raster | things like virtual keyboard supprot in general was always weak |
| 14:35.42 | jaj | Hi, I just received my Neo Freerunner this morning! I'm playing with it ATM |
| 14:35.43 | raster | the protcol matchbox defined was error-prone |
| 14:35.45 | deubeuliou | :( resume_reason doesn't give any reason when it wakes up just after I shook it |
| 14:35.53 | raster | i've supported it - but added a new one thats mroe reliable |
| 14:36.01 | Wonka | slaxxin: i now covered the left side of the SIM and still have the same problem |
| 14:36.06 | raster | but it does mean you need to watch the focused window for proeprty changes etc. |
| 14:36.11 | raster | so its easier to do as a wm |
| 14:36.13 | slaxxin | yup |
| 14:36.21 | raster | things like defining how to cleanly replace the vkbd |
| 14:36.24 | raster | and install new ones |
| 14:36.26 | raster | and select which one |
| 14:36.28 | raster | etc. |
| 14:36.31 | slaxxin | does it "fail to register |
| 14:36.38 | jadams_ | rwhitby, fail: http://pastie.org/256459 |
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| 14:36.42 | rwhitby | jadams_: once gllin is running, check /dev/nmeaP, then check dbus-monitor --system for gps signals |
| 14:36.44 | raster | loooots of stuff to work on thats all part of the core of "a touchscreen ui for a tiny phone screen" |
| 14:36.46 | Wonka | slaxxin: +CME ERROR: 32 |
| 14:36.50 | slaxxin | oo |
| 14:36.59 | slaxxin | good luck |
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| 14:37.20 | rwhitby | jadams_: did you get the real file, and not the clickthrough web page? |
| 14:37.21 | Rupert_ | OK Next time I'll read the topic but for now in wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.08_Guide where it says in the section "Things to Know" "opkg upgrade" I should edit this to read kills your FR? |
| 14:37.33 | Wonka | slaxxin: SIM works fine and does GPRS in my Siemens S65 |
| 14:37.34 | jadams_ | rwhitby, nevermind, it's fine now |
| 14:37.41 | jadams_ | just didn't work first time |
| 14:37.53 | jadams_ | and yeah, wget wouldn't even pull down the click through page when I realized it was trying to, it just sat there hung |
| 14:38.05 | rwhitby | jadams_: it'll take a *long* time for first fix with no .DAT files |
| 14:38.18 | jadams_ | rwhitby, that's fine, I'm about to go throw it in my car and let it work :) |
| 14:38.27 | rwhitby | make sure you're outside and *not* moving |
| 14:38.47 | jadams_ | rwhitby, if the car's moving, I have bigger problems |
| 14:38.47 | rwhitby | once the .DAT files are there, I find it can easily get a fix in my house |
| 14:39.06 | hipitihop | Rupert_, that would be nice to make sure others don't fall into the trap. |
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| 14:39.21 | jadams_ | root@om-gta01:~# gllin; -sh: gllin: Permission denied |
| 14:39.31 | jadams_ | rwhitby, what do I to start gllin? |
| 14:39.39 | jadams_ | sorry about all this wasted talk, btw |
| 14:39.51 | rwhitby | restart gpsd will restart gllin |
| 14:39.53 | slaxxin | wonka what # is that sim u have? |
| 14:39.56 | widrone | Rupert_: Under the "Future Updates" section. |
| 14:40.04 | deubeuliou | Zorkman: while you were searching ways to get accelerometers to work, did you find a way to power them off ? |
| 14:40.06 | jadams_ | nm |
| 14:40.08 | jadams_ | gllin/gllin |
| 14:40.12 | jadams_ | rwhitby, aha |
| 14:40.21 | widrone | Rupert_: Making it more "warningy" could perhapps be good if you think so. |
| 14:40.25 | bumbl | Zorkman: I think they are searching an offical like mickey who could provide more information than an user |
| 14:40.33 | rwhitby | jadams_: gpsd is not used, but it starts up gllin nicely :-) |
| 14:40.46 | rwhitby | It may be what orrery is using to get the gps position too |
| 14:41.23 | VDVsx | raster, exist any option to choose if the illume keyboard shows in top of the current app, or if the app is resized and the keyboard shows in the button of the screen ? |
| 14:41.24 | jadams_ | rwhitby, /etc/init.d/gpsd restart ran, said terminated, but there's no /dev/nmeaP and dbus-monitor --system sees nothing....so now I'm supposed to look for ogpsd stuff somewhere, lemme go back a bit |
| 14:41.41 | raster | VDVsx: aaah - sorry. no such options |
| 14:41.50 | rwhitby | jadams: /tmp/nmeaP |
| 14:41.53 | raster | as there is really no way to tel lthe app right now if the kbd is on top |
| 14:41.58 | raster | and what part of the app window is covered |
| 14:42.12 | raster | i made the vkbd work in fullscreen |
| 14:42.17 | raster | it just resizes the app window |
| 14:42.21 | rwhitby | jadams_: sorry for the bum steer |
| 14:42.22 | raster | no choice right now |
| 14:42.36 | raster | in fullscreen mode the app HAS to use the vkbd protocol to show the keyboard |
| 14:42.41 | jadams_ | rwhitby, ahh, /tmp/nmeaNP |
| 14:42.43 | raster | as there is no way to access the manual button |
| 14:42.47 | jadams_ | rwhitby, no prob, thanks tons |
| 14:42.55 | jadams_ | rwhitby, now, it's completely empty |
| 14:43.01 | jadams_ | but it's there |
| 14:43.11 | VDVsx | raster, but in my fso image the keyboard shows layered in the menu for example |
| 14:43.24 | rwhitby | if gllin is running, you should be able to cat /tmp/nmeaP and see sentences |
| 14:43.40 | Wonka | slaxxin: need to shutdown to look... |
| 14:43.52 | raster | VDVsx: ? |
| 14:44.29 | jadams_ | rwhitby, okie doke, it's running now |
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| 14:44.44 | VDVsx | raster, the menu is not resized, the keyboard cover the button of the screen, and it happens in numptyphysics too for example |
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| 14:44.46 | jadams_ | had to run it manually, and couldn't background it until it got past a certain point or it didn't stay alive...odd |
| 14:44.51 | rwhitby | jadams_: now check dbus-monitor --system |
| 14:45.07 | rwhitby | you should see satellite change signals |
| 14:45.23 | rwhitby | and eventually positions after you get a fix |
| 14:45.52 | rwhitby | and TangoGPS should start to show a number of sats in the Trip window |
| 14:46.28 | raster | VDVsx: i suspect its a problem specific to the fso version. |
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| 14:46.31 | raster | VDVsx: http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ |
| 14:46.38 | raster | try thast kernel + flash |
| 14:46.44 | raster | thats a new-ish version of e and illume |
| 14:46.47 | raster | and it behaves fine |
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| 14:46.51 | rwhitby | is quite pleased with Tango, Orrery, Numpty and Zhone on the GTA01 |
| 14:47.07 | raster | (except when u install/uninstall other apps the qpe keyboard comes back) |
| 14:47.09 | leinir | Any news on the data-loss SD card thing? :) |
| 14:47.26 | VDVsx | raster, is not a problem, actually I want this behaviour for my app :) |
| 14:47.35 | raster | the problem is we have ASU (2008.08), asutesting and stable, a zecke feed, fso, 2007.02 and lots of images |
| 14:47.43 | raster | all of whihc dont ship the same version of e/illume |
| 14:47.46 | raster | and are all different |
| 14:47.48 | leinir | (no is a perfectly valid answer ;) ) |
| 14:47.50 | widrone | Rupert_: See what you mean with the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Guide |
| 14:47.51 | rwhitby | jadams_: I'm going to hit the sack now - good luck! |
| 14:47.52 | raster | most of them are behind development |
| 14:48.01 | Torikun | I got supertux on the phone |
| 14:48.01 | Torikun | cool |
| 14:48.06 | raster | the closest to something "new and recent" is that image i built on the weekend |
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| 14:48.36 | rwhitby | raster: fso-unstable is new and recent :-) |
| 14:48.43 | raster | god |
| 14:48.45 | raster | and yet more! |
| 14:49.23 | rockstar | raster, I'm running your image right now. |
| 14:49.28 | raster | yay! |
| 14:49.38 | rwhitby | you forget the scaredycat images, but they are way old now |
| 14:49.38 | raster | i have only touched up e/eillume stuff |
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| 14:49.50 | VDVsx | raster, is not in your plans, make a option to call the keyboard in layered mode ? |
| 14:49.51 | rwhitby | and the mwester kernels |
| 14:49.51 | raster | in future i will mvoe to build fso based stuff |
| 14:49.58 | raster | and screw with e/illume and such there |
| 14:50.06 | rockstar | Well, I'm also an e fanboy, and the e stuff is more prevalent in your images. |
| 14:50.07 | raster | i'll try build regular images |
| 14:50.09 | bumbl | raster: Does your image contain valid update feeds? |
| 14:50.19 | rwhitby | raster: the FsoMakefile is up at shr.bearstech.com |
| 14:50.24 | raster | bumbl: nup. i only built the jffs2 and kernel images |
| 14:50.28 | raster | i dodnt build every package |
| 14:50.33 | bumbl | ok |
| 14:50.44 | raster | rwhitby: i've manually set up an oe build now using the git repo. |
| 14:50.46 | raster | its going... |
| 14:50.58 | raster | bitbake fso-image ... ing |
| 14:51.00 | rockstar | raster, the images aren't so different that you can't update, are they? |
| 14:51.12 | raster | rockstar: shouldnt be |
| 14:51.22 | rwhitby | nod. the FsoMakefile uses the OE git repos as well, so you can use those feeds at least |
| 14:51.33 | raster | just beware of efl stuff and illume |
| 14:51.38 | jadams_ | rwhitby, on numpty, how do you say 'I screwed up, let me restart'? |
| 14:51.42 | raster | as iw ill be doing major surgery around there in future |
| 14:51.43 | jadams_ | I only know to quit and start over |
| 14:51.56 | raster | rwhitby: too late :) |
| 14:52.07 | rwhitby | jadams_: dunno, on my n800 i hit the bkspc key to undo lines |
| 14:52.17 | rockstar | raster, what's illume? |
| 14:52.23 | jadams_ | rwhitby, aha...but no keyboard on the moko |
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| 14:52.32 | raster | rockstar: its a module (plugin) for e17 |
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| 14:52.39 | raster | that makes e more "pda-ish" |
| 14:52.40 | rockstar | jadams, unless you use raster's image |
| 14:52.56 | rwhitby | jadams_: you can hit qwerty to get the keyboard for numpty on fso |
| 14:53.07 | jadams_ | rwhitby, ok, cool...I'll leave you be now :) |
| 14:53.13 | jadams_ | my phone's in the car getting some dat files built |
| 14:53.48 | rwhitby | numpty is way slower on gta01 than on n800 |
| 14:53.50 | rockstar | The one killer app I want to see is something to sync with my system. |
| 14:54.02 | slaxxin | WARNING: THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING. DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT USE A 71234G sim in the freerunner this sim has a contact that shorts out on the holder tab(to be specific the narrow side of the sim paper is TOO narrow allowing the middle contact to touch the tab) causing no registering |
| 14:54.02 | slaxxin | WARNING" LOADING LASER LIPOSUCTION GUN ,, THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING |
| 14:54.26 | CVirus | ROFL |
| 14:54.26 | rockstar | slaxxin, I knew that already. |
| 14:54.35 | slaxxin | lol |
| 14:54.35 | rockstar | AT&T recalled those all silently. |
| 14:54.39 | slaxxin | sorry |
| 14:55.03 | rwhitby | night all |
| 14:55.13 | mmaestri | rwhitby: before you go |
| 14:55.22 | mmaestri | just one simple question |
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| 14:55.27 | rwhitby | yes |
| 14:55.29 | mmaestri | about mixing feeds |
| 14:55.29 | hipitihop | night rwhitby |
| 14:55.30 | rockstar | Well, I guess syncing and an easy way to associate with a WAP |
| 14:55.40 | rooly | why does it keep telling me "no dfu capable usb device found" |
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| 14:55.51 | mjr | because you're not in u-boot? |
| 14:55.52 | jadams_ | rockstar, have you seen conduit? It's a gnome project |
| 14:55.55 | rwhitby | mmaestri: mixing feeds - just say no |
| 14:55.55 | SpeedEvil | rooly: are you root? |
| 14:56.01 | rooly | as sudo, yes |
| 14:56.03 | jadams_ | rockstar, the conduit guy said he was going to build a moko syncer in there |
| 14:56.15 | mmaestri | and if I add the angstrom feeds? |
| 14:56.23 | mmaestri | might be a problem? |
| 14:56.30 | rwhitby | mmaestri: just get the app you want added to task-openmoko-feed instead |
| 14:57.03 | rockstar | jadams_, do you know if it's there, or is it just planned? |
| 14:57.09 | rwhitby | any good autobuilder will build the feeds from that for the respective distro |
| 14:57.16 | rooly | there we go |
| 14:57.25 | rwhitby | if your distro doesn't, then complain to the autobuild maintainer ;-) |
| 14:57.39 | mmaestri | hmmm...is it too dumb to ask what is task-openmoko? |
| 14:58.01 | jadams_ | rockstar, don't think it's there, but he was given a freerunner with the intentions of doing it I believe |
| 14:58.15 | rwhitby | it an OE bitbake recipe, which was created as a single point of coordination for a list of packages that make sense to be in a feed for an openmoko phone |
| 14:58.20 | cnwdup | Is there a bug known where you can't read your SMS messages caused by a seg-fault of openmoko-messages or libgsmd-tool respectively? |
| 14:58.45 | rwhitby | mmaestri: people who manage openmoko package feeds are supposed to use it to determine what packages to build |
| 14:59.20 | rwhitby | then anyone with OE commit privs can add the name of a buildable package to it, and it automatically gets into all the feeds for all the distros. that was the plan at least. |
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| 15:00.20 | rwhitby | mmaestri: http://git.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=blob;f=packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb;h=207d48d9048d811a403732e56c0ba743be892adb;hb=HEAD is the file in question |
| 15:00.49 | rwhitby | you just add package names to the end, and bingo! those packages appear in the feeds like magic |
| 15:01.06 | rwhitby | (for correctly operating autobuilders, that is) |
| 15:01.18 | mmaestri | great |
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| 15:01.34 | hipitihop | waves gnite to all especially the worker bees |
| 15:01.48 | mmaestri | I assume yours is a correctly operating one ;) |
| 15:01.56 | rwhitby | mmaestri: I like to think so ;-) |
| 15:02.39 | rwhitby | usually less than 30 minutes from commit to package appearing in feeds for shr.bearstech.com |
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| 15:03.23 | rwhitby | even when I'm asleep or away this weekend leading a scout camp |
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| 15:03.38 | rwhitby | you just need to find someone with OE commit privs |
| 15:04.08 | rwhitby | such as XorA or mickeyl |
| 15:04.36 | rwhitby | speaking of sleep ... |
| 15:04.40 | mmaestri | that's the bit i've been missing |
| 15:04.42 | mmaestri | ok |
| 15:04.48 | mmaestri | thx a lot |
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| 15:07.53 | rwhitby | mmaestri: any time I'm around and awake I'm happy to add stuff to task-openmoko-feed, cause I might want to use that app one day ... |
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| 15:13.05 | jaj | has anybody succeeded to make usb networking work with freebsd? |
| 15:16.36 | mmaestri | rwhitby: thanks. you're a nice guy :) |
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| 15:19.03 | jadams_ | what are the feeds? Are they just like specific sets of ipkg repos? |
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| 15:31.48 | SpeedEvil | http://secap480.un.org/search?q=cupertino :) |
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| 15:53.56 | mmaestri | rwhitby: are you still there? |
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| 15:55.05 | mmaestri | rwhitby: if so, could you please add libgarmin to task-openmoko? i have garmin maps that i'd like to try on my fr. thx! |
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| 15:57.27 | Wonka | re |
| 15:58.22 | Wonka | slaxxin: the SIM has no number on the contacts side. on the other side, it has one long number (13 digits, two letters) and "UMTS/GSM SIM" below that. |
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| 15:59.14 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r25a0c42433fe 10/ (framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py tools/cli-framework): odeviced: org.freesmartphone.Audio: add PushScenario( scenario ) and PullScenario() -> previous |
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| 16:16.19 | Infoport | mmm... OJ, English muffins and ..ZZZZZZZZzzzzzz...I wasnt sleeping in the chair, just resting my eyes XD |
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| 16:19.26 | froksen | Is it possbile (on the Neo Freerunner) just to use your fingers when typing a SMS etc.? |
| 16:19.47 | froksen | == Not having to use at stylus? |
| 16:19.48 | jaj | depends on your fingers :) |
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| 16:20.18 | froksen | Hehe :-p Well, for a normal human beeing with "normal" size fingers.. Not big, and not small? |
| 16:21.53 | Infoport | slaxxin hmm I have a 71234G 3022 SIM card from AT&T...do I understand that the issue shows up *sometimes*, because I thought it seemed to work? |
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| 16:24.29 | Infoport | seems like I should give myself a script with all the initial setup of time, time zone, feeds, needed packages... |
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| 16:24.58 | Zorkman | froksen: I have "fat fingers" and i can type without problems on the full querty keyboard |
| 16:25.24 | froksen | Zorkman: Cool :-p Which interface? |
| 16:25.26 | froksen | GTK or ? |
| 16:25.37 | Zorkman | Infoport: I have thought the very same thing, only thing I've done is typing a lot of opkg installs :) |
| 16:26.30 | Zorkman | froksken: the 2008.8 keyboard, the full querty of 20080813 and the keyboard (not full querty, but also not the pre-installed one) in 2007.2 |
| 16:26.45 | Zorkman | I was really surpises by the ease |
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| 16:26.55 | Zorkman | didn't think such tiny buttons would be doable but they are! |
| 16:27.16 | froksen | Cool... Well, one less thing thats preventing me from buying the Freerunner :-D |
| 16:27.36 | Zorkman | :) |
| 16:27.42 | Infoport | slaxxin are you around? |
| 16:29.15 | Zorkman | froksen: there just has to be someone in copenhagen who has a FR, maybe you can ask to try it |
| 16:29.41 | froksen | Well.. Im in the other end of Denmark... Other wise it would be nice :-p |
| 16:30.00 | froksen | All though I have talked with one or two who have bought the freerunner |
| 16:30.40 | Infoport | I *do* often have it not register right away, or keep trying "Registering..." even after on network, but was thinking SIM was "working". I guess I could try to get another SIM, or use one of the two I ordered online (cheap, so I didnt return, use in my _next_ OM phone if needed) |
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| 16:32.35 | johnsu01 | so, under Debian it looks like the bluetooth devices aren't showing up |
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| 16:32.51 | johnsu01 | I'm looking at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth, but I don't have devices like that anywhere in /sys |
| 16:33.00 | johnsu01 | is there a module I need to load? |
| 16:33.28 | jadams_ | johnsu01, when I was watching debian boot, I noted that it had a FAIL regarding bluetooth |
| 16:33.36 | jadams_ | so maybe check dmesg for that |
| 16:33.55 | johnsu01 | jadams_: thanks, will do |
| 16:34.04 | froksen | but thanks anyway Zorkman :-) |
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| 16:36.21 | Zorkman | when you're in belgium i'll lend you mine for a while ;-) |
| 16:36.21 | froksen | Hehe :-p |
| 16:36.21 | froksen | I´ll hold you to it ;-) |
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| 16:44.16 | johnsu01 | jadams_: Hm, no errors... it recognizes neo1973-pm-bt and says bluetooth power management is starting |
| 16:44.29 | jadams_ | johnsu01, then I can't help, sorry |
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| 16:46.39 | Infoport | should I be looking to exchange my 71234G 3022 sim card, as a probable cause for long times "Registering..."? |
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| 16:47.19 | lindi- | Infoport: what commands do you send to the chip?+ |
| 16:49.20 | Infoport | lindi- I havent really watched the commands to modem, just that often it takes a LONG time to register, and powering modem down and up and register sometimes help. that and I saws someone had said earlier that the 71234G sims were slightly small. (slaxxin from logs) |
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| 16:50.15 | Infoport | lindi- where is the log of modem commands and answers? dmesg? /var/log/syslog ? |
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| 16:52.37 | Infoport | hmm no /var/log/syslog, must be elsewhere |
| 16:54.21 | lindi- | Infoport: what talks to your chip? gsmd? frameworkd? |
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| 16:56.17 | Infoport | lindi- in OM2007 I guess that would be gsmd right? |
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| 16:57.31 | Infoport | lidni- my phone is now registered, but at first hitting Network status is said "Not searching", power down/power up/autoregister, and it Denied me, then repeat and I was connected |
| 16:58.37 | lindi- | Infoport: strace might be easiest start |
| 16:58.58 | Infoport | lindi- and it often takes a few tries to Register, but sometimes just connects right away. |
| 16:59.23 | lindi- | Infoport: but note that gsmd is buggy and not developed anymore |
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| 17:00.31 | Infoport | lindi- how do I use strace for the phone connection? I guess gsmd is what is used (is on phone) |
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| 17:01.48 | lindi- | Infoport: yes you start gsmd |
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| 17:03.38 | Infoport | lindi- I would assume that it has now started, daemonized, since it finally connected-- do I need to shutdown and restart, or stop it and restart? |
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| 17:05.56 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r6d4fdacc8788 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): odeviced: audio: load default scenario on startup. closes FSO ticket #83 |
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| 17:20.58 | Infoport | mickeyl HEY HEY now, geeks aren't allowed to watch sports...next thing you'll want to play them, and mess up the computer-screen tan line :D |
| 17:21.30 | Zorkman | :) |
| 17:22.07 | mickey|sports | heh |
| 17:22.09 | mickey|sports | too late |
| 17:22.13 | mickey|sports | i'm actually _performing_ sports |
| 17:22.14 | mickey|sports | cya |
| 17:22.29 | mickey|sports | [leauge table tennis player since decades] |
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| 17:23.02 | Infoport | mickeyl, OK, as long you dont do it _outside_ |
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| 17:25.13 | Torikun | i do not feel the gimp will be useful on my neo free runner |
| 17:25.21 | bumbl | hehe |
| 17:25.35 | bumbl | way too much windows and too less performance |
| 17:25.43 | Torikun | yup lol |
| 17:25.56 | Torikun | but i will run it anyway |
| 17:25.57 | Torikun | lol |
| 17:27.16 | lpotter | try open office |
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| 17:28.09 | ronny | dont forget qemu + wine + ms office - its an essential tool any phone should have |
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| 17:29.11 | Torikun | lol |
| 17:29.16 | Torikun | i installed evinec |
| 17:29.18 | Torikun | close enough |
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| 17:31.26 | lpotter | reconfigure/recompile qtopia to run on qvfb, then run qtopia in qvfb |
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| 17:36.48 | bumbl | it doesn't make fun to run openoffice on the freerunner...the fun is in compiling it |
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| 17:38.08 | lindi- | Infoport: removing battery and doing real cold reboot would of course be best |
| 17:38.14 | lindi- | Infoport: just to be sure the gsm chip is reset |
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| 17:40.37 | slaxxin | infoport exchange the sim at an AT&T retail store for free |
| 17:40.59 | slaxxin | an it will connect every time without fail |
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| 17:42.16 | Liorithiel | hello, is there any repo with python for 2007.2 still available? the default ones don't work |
| 17:42.41 | Infoport | slaxxin are you sure it is a regular problem with those chips? my AT&T store seemed to have only those, and only the one I got at a store that also sold iPhone (recommended by AT&T customer svc) |
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| 17:43.17 | slaxxin | 71234 O sim at&t hands out now has a more centered set of contacts that do not touch the tab on the sim holder;) |
| 17:43.27 | slaxxin | yes i am |
| 17:43.43 | slaxxin | u have a retail att store nearby? |
| 17:44.24 | slaxxin | that 71234 G is a bad chip for this type of holder |
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| 17:44.30 | Infoport | slaxxin coincidentally, I bought 2 of the 71234 O 4022 chips online for $1.99 each before I exchanged and got this chip. I'll still save them if AT&T can give another free though |
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| 17:45.14 | slaxxin | well they will have to set it up for u through the computer at the store |
| 17:45.42 | slaxxin | just go to the store if u can |
| 17:45.48 | Infoport | slaxxin yeah, but I'll let them use theirs if they have a good one, and keep these "in case" for the next phone |
| 17:45.56 | slaxxin | they will fix u up |
| 17:47.54 | slaxxin | if u point out to them that the sim is shorting to the tab they will give u a replacement for free |
| 17:48.16 | slaxxin | otherwise its 5.95 usd |
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| 17:57.24 | Infoport | lindi- before I go replace this SIM, could you tell me how to check my modem commands? I am doing a shutdown to try that in addition to seeing about the SIM (more smarts is good) |
| 17:58.10 | lindi- | Infoport: you should compare them against gsm 07 specs |
| 17:58.23 | lindi- | Infoport: i can provide you commands from a working case |
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| 17:59.05 | Infoport | lindi- after a cold reboot, how do I find the output/comands sent & replies? |
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| 17:59.57 | lindi- | Infoport: strace? |
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| 18:01.55 | Infoport | lindi- I would use strace gsmd something something? strace would check *new* instances right? |
| 18:02.30 | Infoport | lindi- i.e. not logs |
| 18:02.39 | lindi- | Infoport: hmm? |
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| 18:03.16 | lindi- | Infoport: strace attaches to a process and logs system calls, it can log them to file with "-o" |
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| 18:04.30 | Infoport | lindi- but does strace connect to existing process, or I need to give command through gsmd and strace? (like strace gsmd <port?> something something?) |
| 18:05.35 | lindi- | Infoport: it can do both |
| 18:05.50 | lindi- | Infoport: "-p <pid>" attaches to running process |
| 18:06.42 | break-free | i'm trying to run this alias: alias sshphone="sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200; ssh root@192.168.0.202", but it won't do the SSH part, anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 18:07.13 | lindi- | break-free: how about just configuring that properly? |
| 18:07.22 | lindi- | break-free: in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:07.35 | break-free | i tried configuring my /etc/network/interfaces, but it won't stick |
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| 18:08.03 | Infoport | lindi- where is the syslog in OM2007? it isnt in /var/log/syslog |
| 18:08.29 | lindi- | Infoport: no idea |
| 18:08.35 | lindi- | Infoport: does it run syslogd? |
| 18:08.42 | lindi- | break-free: hmm? |
| 18:09.24 | Infoport | lindi- ps aux lists it as /usr/sbin/gsmd gsmd -p /dev/ttySAC0 -s 115200 -F -d -l syslog |
| 18:09.26 | break-free | lindi-, i tried the wiki's tutorial on how to set up /etc/network/interfaces, but when I plug in the phone, usb0 is not assigned an IP |
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| 18:10.53 | Infoport | lindi- ok strace -p <portfrom_ps_aux> got me output, although it isnt modem commands as I known them (AT, etc) |
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| 18:11.52 | Infoport | lindi- and interestingly it didnt try until I told it to autoregister (status was "Not searching" after boot) |
| 18:11.59 | lindi- | break-free: maybe you have networkmanager or something? |
| 18:12.25 | lindi- | Infoport: well, the read() and write() will eventually have to talk to gsm too |
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| 18:13.37 | break-free | lindi-, hm? |
| 18:14.34 | lindi- | break-free: ps axuf | grep -i networkmana |
| 18:15.15 | kd8ikt | mana? |
| 18:15.28 | kd8ikt | like healing potion? |
| 18:15.41 | kd8ikt | oh manager |
| 18:16.01 | kd8ikt | sure it isnt network-manager? |
| 18:16.02 | paulproteus | If I buy a 4GB micro SDHC, should I check it against some list before buying it, or should I expect to just work properly? |
| 18:16.50 | Zorkman | it's the freerunner!!, you should ask a gipsy rocket scientist! |
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| 18:17.29 | kd8ikt | gypsy* |
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| 18:19.18 | Zorkman | goddamn kd8ikt, you triggered the netsplit |
| 18:19.18 | kd8ikt | spell psycho .. /me expects to hear sighko |
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| 18:19.18 | Zorkman | gipsy power :) |
| 18:19.19 | kd8ikt | luzers on calkins |
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| 18:19.19 | kd8ikt | rox ipv6.chat.eu.freenode.net |
| 18:19.33 | kd8ikt | fajear the leetness |
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| 18:20.18 | kd8ikt | i installed debian on my laptop ;) |
| 18:20.23 | Infoport | lindi- ok...I do see a write but it doesnt mean a lot to me |
| 18:20.25 | lollydays | why are my transfer speeds through USB so damn slow? 100kbps is ridiculous |
| 18:20.26 | Infoport | write(1, "39678 47371.332 123892.0 20"..., 69) = 69 |
| 18:20.33 | kd8ikt | threw out ubuntu |
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| 18:21.42 | kd8ikt | oh this isnt #openmoko-offtopic my bad |
| 18:21.55 | enrico | Hello. Where can I download an updated bootloader for GTA02v6? buildhost.openmoko.org doesn't seem to have anything beyond GTA02v5, but I can't currently seem to be able to boot from SD |
| 18:22.17 | Infoport | lindi-, slaxxin, I think I'm going to shutdown, look at SIM, see about exchange at AT&T store (maybe call first) |
| 18:22.49 | Infoport | enrico I'm pretty sure that v6 is identical to v5, except for a capacitor to lessen interference for GPS |
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| 18:23.27 | enrico | Infoport: thanks, I'll try with that |
| 18:23.37 | lollydays | anyone know why the usb transfer speeds are so slow |
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| 18:24.04 | kd8ikt | cause its usb1 lollydays |
| 18:24.27 | kd8ikt | and if you're transfering stuff to SDcard then you are further bottlenecked by its bus |
| 18:24.28 | lollydays | ah. Man I had forgotten about usb1 |
| 18:24.50 | lollydays | haven't had a usb1 device in a while |
| 18:24.58 | lollydays | well besides things like mice |
| 18:25.44 | donomo | its amazing how a single capacitor can affect device with millions of transistors |
| 18:27.07 | lpotter | ya, the usb1 sucks |
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| 18:27.38 | widrone | boiling cap fluid, that both smells bad and is bad news all over. |
| 18:27.42 | jaj | Hi, my freerunner keeps telling me that there is a new message but I can't see it in the messages list. I think it's a report. |
| 18:28.41 | jaj | has that happenend to anybody before? |
| 18:28.44 | mmontour | The v5 u-boot will also work for v6 and later boards. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_revisions has some info on v5/v6 differences. |
| 18:31.38 | super | ?Hey, just got the phone... why is my wifi not detected? |
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| 18:36.11 | retracile | Anyone know the eraseblock size on the FR's flash? |
| 18:38.43 | kd8ikt | i think its safe to say calkins sucks |
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| 18:39.15 | donomo | v6 hardware? oh noes my neo is already obsolete. |
| 18:39.34 | kd8ikt | yeah tell me about it |
| 18:40.18 | mmontour | retracile: IIRC it's 128k |
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| 18:41.17 | Infoport | great...the wiki instructions for matchbox keyboard dont work--now matchbox keyboard is available through feeds, and gets confused when you try to install same version from ipk rather than get from feed w/ same name |
| 18:41.37 | retracile | mmontour: thanks. you happen to know a way to double-check? (There must be one, since the kernel has to know.) |
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| 18:42.59 | mmontour | not sure, sorry. |
| 18:43.11 | retracile | mmontour: fair enough. Thanks for the hint though. |
| 18:43.13 | kd8ikt | dmesg? |
| 18:45.42 | retracile | kd8ikt: I see the partition info and a few other things, but not the erase size. |
| 18:46.22 | enrico | Upgrading the bootloader didn't help: if I ask it # mmcinit I get: cmd 0x8, arg 0x1aa flags 0x75 Error after cmd: 0xfffffffc |
| 18:47.01 | enrico | the sd card contains 2 ext2 (or ext3?) partitions |
| 18:47.11 | retracile | Ah, there it is... |
| 18:47.14 | retracile | erase region 0: offset=0x0,size=0x2000,blocks=8 |
| 18:47.16 | retracile | erase region 1: offset=0x10000,size=0x10000,blocks=31 |
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| 18:47.51 | Infoport | ok, off to wrangle a newer SIM card! |
| 18:49.02 | mmontour | ah, "cat /proc/mtd" |
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| 18:49.33 | enrico | google gave me messages in the device-owners mailing list of people with the same problem asking for help, but no replies |
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| 18:50.45 | johngay | I can't wait till I get my FreeRunner! |
| 18:51.12 | enrico | in particular, this is the mailing list message with my exact problem: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2008-May/001647.html |
| 18:51.35 | johngay | Gonna get a USB-Serial cable and Bluetooth keyboard. |
| 18:51.41 | retracile | mmontour: Ah, even better. Of course, it's different from the dmesg stuff... so... whatever. I'll believe the /proc/mtd. Thanks again. |
| 18:52.24 | lindi- | Infoport: doesn't look like gsm data |
| 18:52.28 | johngay | Then I can plug it into the serial managment on one of our servers at work and ask the head IT guy if his crackberry can do that (-= |
| 18:52.32 | lindi- | Infoport: check what file descriptor 1 is used for |
| 18:53.20 | mmontour | enrico: so you get "Error after cmd" but it still sees the card (e.g. "Serial number")? What happens if you try "ext2ls mmc 1:1" and "extls mmc 1:2" after the mmcinit? |
| 18:53.39 | enrico | mmontour: I'll try |
| 18:54.48 | enrico | mmontour: it crashes: http://paste.debian.net/15233/ |
| 18:56.07 | mmontour | Are you sure that you're using an updated version of u-boot (i.e. that you've booted from NAND by holding power first, then the aux button)? |
| 18:57.00 | enrico | mmontour: I downloaded http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080820/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin then dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin |
| 18:57.28 | enrico | mmontour: uhm, power first then aux. I did aux first then power: I didn't know there was a difference |
| 18:57.54 | mmontour | Aux then power boots from NOR flash (the backup copy of u-boot that can't be updated unless you have a debug board) |
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| 18:58.39 | mmontour | bbl - lunchtime |
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| 19:01.18 | jaj | johngay: don't you have ssh on the blackberry? |
| 19:01.19 | enrico | mmontour: ok, the new bootloader gives the same problem AND can't give me a usb console anymore :) |
| 19:01.57 | johngay | Can't ssh into the serial console when it's the only access on a faulty server. |
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| 19:03.24 | enrico | mmontour: I'll now flash an older one. 20080805 was reported to work well by the Debian people that made debian work on it, I'll try that one |
| 19:06.56 | enrico | mmontour: indeed on the 20080805 mmcinit errors but ext2ls works afterwards |
| 19:12.57 | lapevil | 0/ |
| 19:14.45 | enrico | mmontour: ok, the problem seems to be that the default configuration does a fatload instead of ext2load. I'll see about changing that later: now I managed to boot it by copying and pasting commands from the env |
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| 19:18.35 | mmontour | enrico: I don't know why the 20080820 u-boot didn't work - there weren't any major changes since 20080805 (http://git.openmoko.org/?p=u-boot.git;a=shortlog;h=stable) |
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| 19:19.12 | jaj | when I try to play audio with madplay I get: audio: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 19:19.43 | jaj | I also tried gst-launch with the pulsesink backend and it doesn't work either |
| 19:20.10 | enrico | mmontour: I found out that after trying booting from sd and failing, the bootloader is very confused. After rebooting it, serial works |
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| 19:20.36 | enrico | mmontour: I'm kind of sorted out. The only thing I should probably do is report the mmcinit bug |
| 19:21.31 | fish_ | uhmm where is fso milestone II for gta02? |
| 19:22.04 | fish_ | looks like there is only a image for gta01 (at leat its called like that) http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ |
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| 19:23.47 | mmontour | fish_: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary (it's a JFFS2 image, ".summary" indicates it has additional metadata) |
| 19:24.32 | fish_ | mmontour: ah oops, thanks. i only read .summery and thought its just metadata or something like that |
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| 19:28.04 | Infoport | grrr... AT&T National ca;; center is trying to tell me that I have to register the FR's IEMI number to use it--that just putting in the SIM doesnt do it. Is this correct, or full or it? |
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| 19:29.10 | Zorkman | Infoport: here in Belgium that would be a load of crap, but don't know what is normal there |
| 19:29.25 | Infoport | they want me to register the FR's IEMI before they send me a SIM that doesnt short against the tab on holder |
| 19:29.55 | Infoport | right now the rep is trying to lookup the Openmoko :-/ |
| 19:29.58 | Zorkman | is there a reason that you don't want to give them that number? |
| 19:30.22 | jwaters42 | Infoport: I'm not sure about your specific situation, but I know that the AT&T call center people are idiots. They told me my phone wouldn't work because it doesn't have the "AT&T software" on it |
| 19:30.33 | Zorkman | hehehe |
| 19:30.55 | jwaters42 | They also asked for my IEMI number, but I just gave it to them |
| 19:31.01 | Zorkman | why don't you just ask them why they need that number? |
| 19:31.03 | jwaters42 | but I had a SIM card of my own |
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| 19:31.23 | johngay | I thought the last peice of software AT&T were allowed to sell was UNIX before the big break-up(-= |
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| 19:32.59 | jwaters42 | Well, I think they were referring to whatever proprietary crap it is that they put on their phones, although I'm pretty sure they mostly just skin the existing OS on most of them |
| 19:33.24 | Infoport | Zorkman not really, except that her advice is that I would NOT be able to switch back and forth with the LG phone I got with my service (my "backup" phone), even though I have swapped them some |
| 19:33.31 | johngay | I plan to take my FreeRunner to AT&T and ask them why I shouldn't get my SIM from T-Mobile. Then go to T-Mobile and ask the same thing. |
| 19:33.38 | jwaters42 | that's not true about the phone swapping |
| 19:33.43 | jwaters42 | I swap mine all the time |
| 19:33.43 | LionKMP | Hi, are daily builds are still acrive for both 2007.2 and 2008.8, e.g.: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080820/ ? |
| 19:34.30 | unknown_lamer | johngay: may as well just go with t-mo ... I've never had issues with my weird imported phones |
| 19:34.34 | unknown_lamer | pop the sim in and go |
| 19:34.41 | Infoport | ok, now AT&T is going to mail me one...I think I will take the 71234O SIM to a local store and have it activated, and then put the one the send into "spares" (I bought two off ebay for $1.99/ea) |
| 19:34.48 | Zorkman | LionKMP: it's true for 2007.2, but the 2008.8 images you are referring to are not really 2008.8 images, they're some sort of test images, but not = 2008.8 |
| 19:34.49 | unknown_lamer | or popping thesim into other phones in general ("crap my battery died and I need to make a call...") |
| 19:35.21 | johngay | Tell AT&T if they don't want your service, then you want to cancel your contract and will be suing if they try to charge a fee since they've broken their contract with you. |
| 19:35.29 | Zorkman | Zorkman: here in belgium you can stick any sim in about any cellphone you want and it works |
| 19:35.41 | LionKMP | Zorkman: yes, if we call 2008.8 the one specific official release. But are these -qtopia- files are a continued development of that official 2008.8? |
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| 19:35.58 | Infoport | the rep stopped saying it wouldnt swap, and just said they didnt warranty that it would work with mine |
| 19:36.04 | jwaters42 | johngay: good luck with that... although it would make for interesting case law |
| 19:36.26 | johngay | Worked for me against Sprint. |
| 19:36.54 | fish_ | crap, i cant turn my freerunner on anymore |
| 19:37.03 | johngay | Don't forget, cancelation fee's are being outlawed. |
| 19:37.19 | Zorkman | LionKMP: it's a bit difficult to explain... they look like 2008.8 and are indeed qtopia-on-x-based, but some OM representatives said they are not = 2008.8, meaning that if you install 2008.8 and opk upgrade them with zeckes feeds you will get something different |
| 19:37.30 | Zorkman | fish_: that happend to me also, remove the battery |
| 19:37.38 | jwaters42 | Infoport: I bought my sim off of ebay, had the customer service rep register my SIM card and switch over my IEMI number, and my old LG CG225 will still work with the new SIM |
| 19:38.03 | jwaters42 | plus, the old phone will still turn on with the old sim card, but I can't make calls |
| 19:38.04 | LionKMP | Zorkman: ok, thanks. :) |
| 19:38.18 | jwaters42 | with the new SIM, I can make calls with either phone |
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| 19:38.43 | Zorkman | looks like the carriers in america have you all by the bals |
| 19:38.57 | jwaters42 | meh, they're just idiots |
| 19:39.18 | unknown_lamer | Zorkman: nah t-mo is ok ... when I got service I gave them $15 for a SIM and off I went happily ever after |
| 19:39.19 | jwaters42 | the customer service people are poorly trained and only know what's on their scripts |
| 19:39.49 | unknown_lamer | amusing that t-mobile is the least evil of the american providers |
| 19:39.51 | Zorkman | if i understand correctly you also have to pay to recieve an sms in the US, correct? |
| 19:39.57 | unknown_lamer | yes |
| 19:40.00 | jwaters42 | yup |
| 19:40.06 | Zorkman | how much (for example?) |
| 19:40.10 | rockstar | And to receive calls |
| 19:40.11 | Zorkman | and do you also have to pay to send one? |
| 19:40.15 | jwaters42 | Well, it depends on your plan |
| 19:40.18 | rockstar | Yes |
| 19:40.18 | unknown_lamer | usually $0.10 to $.25 depending on who you are with |
| 19:40.28 | jwaters42 | most of the time they have a package where you get N messages per month |
| 19:40.30 | unknown_lamer | unless you get some bundle package blah blah |
| 19:40.31 | super | I got my phone with these applications: "Contacts, Dialer, Messages, Terminal, Take Screenshot"... how do I get the rest? |
| 19:40.32 | rockstar | I have unlimited text messages though. $20/mo |
| 19:40.55 | jwaters42 | but both sending and receiving counts against that number |
| 19:41.25 | Zorkman | it makes sense, since america is so big. In europe you really have to pay a lot when roaming or recieving calls abroad |
| 19:41.39 | unknown_lamer | bah there was an issue with the altel->t-mobile sms gateway or something and my friends with alltel cost me $$ because every SMS they sent me came three times |
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| 19:42.05 | jwaters42 | Yeah, one of the nice things about here is that roaming charges within the US have mostly disappeared |
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| 19:42.12 | fish_ | Zorkman: nope, it looks completly dead |
| 19:42.14 | Zorkman | there was a belgian guy who lent his phone to a friend, he went to spain and used internet on that phone for 3 days and had a bill of 18.888 EURO :) |
| 19:42.21 | fish_ | with and without battery |
| 19:42.33 | Pjj | hm if I type "opkg install http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.2-r1_armv4t.ipk" it starts to download the file, but in the end gives and md5 error, I've tried it multiple times, also tried to download the file first on my normal pc, then put it on the neo through usb, then opkg install <package> ended up in the same error, any ideas? :) |
| 19:42.42 | jwaters42 | haha... that's like the woman who left her iPhone on while on a cruise in the atlantic |
| 19:42.58 | jwaters42 | it kept downloading her e-mail when she was near islands |
| 19:43.08 | Zorkman | fish_: insert the battery, connect usb cable (directly to the pc, not through hub) and wait a few hours, then try again |
| 19:43.15 | jwaters42 | even though the phone was "turned off" (actually in standby) |
| 19:43.33 | Zorkman | Pjj: try to wget it first and then installing it from your freerunner |
| 19:43.54 | Zorkman | hehe, didn't hear that story jwaters42 |
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| 19:44.19 | jwaters42 | http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzappl0908,0,2929341.story?coll=ny_home_rail_headlines |
| 19:44.24 | jwaters42 | it was a guy and his family |
| 19:44.39 | jwaters42 | and in europe, actually |
| 19:44.41 | Zorkman | the price of the mobile internet in spain (when living in belgium) was 9.68 euro/MB |
| 19:44.49 | jwaters42 | so I was a little off on the details... ;) |
| 19:45.04 | Pjj | same error Zorkman " * Package tangogps md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update' " |
| 19:45.06 | Zorkman | hehe, I still win with 18.888 euro :) |
| 19:45.10 | jwaters42 | yeah |
| 19:45.24 | Zorkman | Pjj: and have you tried "opkg install tangoGPS" ? |
| 19:45.26 | Infoport | I am going to take my eBay SIM model 71234 O 4022 to the store and register it, and put the one they send into "spares". I think it will work *fine* (cust svc doesnt know crap) |
| 19:45.53 | Pjj | no trying that now |
| 19:46.27 | Infoport | my SIM from ebay is also an AT&T 3G "Blazing Fireball" SIM |
| 19:46.52 | Infoport | I just wanted them to provide me with a free working SIM |
| 19:47.00 | fish_ | Zorkman: well afaik it should be able to run without battery at all |
| 19:47.07 | ssweeny | thought there were issues with 3G SIMs |
| 19:47.07 | Infoport | that doesnt short out against tab |
| 19:47.39 | Zorkman | fish_: no it can't (not at the moment at least) |
| 19:47.56 | Infoport | although I did find a use for *dead* SIMs-- my LG phone wont do sh*t without a SIM, but a dead one (while active is in FR) lets me use camera, etc off LG phone |
| 19:48.00 | fish_ | Zorkman: mh okay.. than i'll try later.. |
| 19:48.06 | Zorkman | fish_: it needs to boot a little bit, before the power managment kicks in and sucks in power |
| 19:48.24 | jwaters42 | Infoport: yup, that's what I'm doing with the old one |
| 19:48.27 | Zorkman | there are tons of mails about it on the mailing list and on the wiki there is also info available |
| 19:48.35 | fish_ | Zorkman: i hope it doesnt need to 'boot a little bit' to load the battery ;) |
| 19:48.50 | Pjj | doesn't work either Zorkman "opkg install tangoGPS An error ocurred, return value: 2." |
| 19:49.03 | Infoport | ok, off to AT&T store for activation! (rather there than over Nation call center, slow silly response) |
| 19:49.41 | johngay | All call centre people are stupid. |
| 19:50.02 | Zorkman | good luck infoport, i'm sure it'll work |
| 19:50.21 | Pjj | I work at a call center johngay :> |
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| 19:50.28 | johngay | HP told me that their Workstations don't have MAC addresses because they're Windows-based, not Macintosh. |
| 19:50.50 | Pjj | lol |
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| 19:50.55 | Zorkman | :D |
| 19:51.03 | widrone | oooh, thats fun... first line support Im guessing there. |
| 19:51.34 | johngay | After I explained what a MAC address was, their top technician came on the line to tell me I had to finish installing Windows so it could create the MAC addresses for the network ports. |
| 19:51.38 | Pjj | but any idea about the error while trying to install tangogps? (it always gives the error) |
| 19:52.06 | zedstar_ | that will teach u for using Windows |
| 19:52.33 | johngay | I just hung up, burned a Linux bootCD and used ifconfig -a. |
| 19:52.54 | johngay | It's my employer who bought the Windows workstations from HP. |
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| 19:54.00 | Pjj | GNU/Linux is always better because it respects your freedom :) |
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| 19:54.48 | johngay | The Prod-Dev guys are re-compiling all your software products for Linux because they refuse to support Vista. |
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| 19:55.17 | johngay | s/your/our |
| 19:55.52 | johngay | Right now we pay $90 per server and workstation from XP downgrade. |
| 19:56.34 | zedstar_ | i imagine Vista resulted in a lot of new Linux users, or OS X users |
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| 19:59.20 | Pjj | please use the term GNU/Linux when talking about the whole OS zedstar_ :) |
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| 20:00.10 | [Rui] | Software status should change to: if you want stable, go qtopia ;) |
| 20:00.23 | [Rui] | hi all |
| 20:00.31 | johngay | No, It's GNU/Linux/X window/BSD/QT/Gnome/KDE/Adobe/etc/etc/etc |
| 20:01.17 | ssweeny | and FreeBSD/OSX |
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| 20:01.36 | zedstar_ | pinches Pjj |
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| 20:01.48 | [Rui] | johngay: that would be true if the reason for using GNU over the Linux kernel (yes, the slash is mathmatical over) were simply because it included GNU software |
| 20:02.01 | johngay | Considering it's the main reason Dell started offering Ubuntu when Vista came out. |
| 20:02.31 | [Rui] | but the system is GNU and Linux is one of its kernels (the best one so far, IMHO). |
| 20:02.37 | [Rui] | I anyway, back on topic |
| 20:02.50 | [Rui] | has anytone here tried rastarman's latest snapshot? |
| 20:02.52 | Pjj | Gnome actually stands for GNU Object Model Envoirment so if you countup gnome + all other gnu packages it's way bigger then just the kernel |
| 20:02.59 | Pjj | :P |
| 20:03.00 | johngay | But not everything else is covered by GNU. |
| 20:03.18 | [Rui] | I keep hearing people call it "stable" but it definitely isn't much "more" than ASU :] |
| 20:03.28 | johngay | I.E. X-window, BSD and Adobe |
| 20:03.40 | [Rui] | am I doing something wrong? I'm pretty tired of plain qtopia :| |
| 20:03.46 | lindi- | johngay: adobe? |
| 20:04.14 | johngay | Check the copyright notices on the fonts included in X-Window. |
| 20:04.14 | Pjj | yeah adobe? |
| 20:04.30 | slaxxin | Rui even bored with it? |
| 20:04.38 | lindi- | Pjj: have they actually made much free software? |
| 20:05.03 | Pjj | who do you mean with 'they' lindi- ? |
| 20:05.04 | [Rui] | slaxxin: well, since I've been waiting for OpenMoko for two years, yeah... I'm willing to try all until I find one that suits me fine :) |
| 20:05.11 | lindi- | Pjj: adobe the company |
| 20:05.15 | ssweeny | the flash spec is free |
| 20:05.19 | Pjj | none that I know of |
| 20:05.19 | slaxxin | so go get the latest 2008.8 an WORK ON IT!!! |
| 20:05.29 | ssweeny | or will be |
| 20:05.30 | Zorkman | :) |
| 20:05.39 | ssweeny | pdf as well |
| 20:05.40 | lindi- | ssweeny: i don't know what free specs are :) |
| 20:05.47 | [Rui] | slaxxin: I also need a working phone, so I can only make experiences at weekends :) |
| 20:05.49 | Pjj | I don't think the latest versions are, the people in #gnash would love if it would be open |
| 20:05.57 | ssweeny | anyone can implement flash or pdf |
| 20:06.01 | lindi- | ssweeny: but we could discuss definiton of free specifications, would be interesting :) |
| 20:06.28 | johngay | Plus most installs of cups includes ghostprint (-= |
| 20:06.28 | [Rui] | slaxxin: one hting maybe you can help me is setting up an amd64 Ubunto Heron build environment |
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| 20:06.50 | Tanuva | arr, is there mpd somewhere on the ipkg repositories? |
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| 20:06.50 | [Rui] | slaxxin: last time I tried MokoMakefile it took ages and always failed :( |
| 20:06.50 | Tanuva | or an mpd ipkg? |
| 20:06.50 | slaxxin | swich out the sim with a spare phone when u need a good ohone |
| 20:07.01 | ssweeny | adobe's model is anyone can make a reader, but we'll make the best writer |
| 20:07.15 | [Rui] | slaxxin: I don't want to use proprietary cell phones anymore. there's no more excuse :D |
| 20:07.32 | lindi- | johngay: you mean ghostscript? |
| 20:07.33 | slaxxin | i guess debian wont work anywhere but on the sdcard right? |
| 20:07.33 | [Rui] | slaxxin: I also have a huge problem, dfu-util doesn't work fine on big endian machines :( |
| 20:07.41 | [Rui] | slaxxin: heard so |
| 20:07.55 | lindi- | ssweeny: at the moment it requires more space than 256M to be useful for development |
| 20:08.25 | lindi- | ssweeny: i think you could have root on nfs but that would not be too mobile |
| 20:08.25 | slaxxin | so find a poc comp machine an put slackware on it an go on |
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| 20:08.47 | mmaestri | slaxxin: perhaps not, if some partitions were mounted on sd and the root filesystem were mounted on flash |
| 20:08.54 | johngay | Yea. So that's an Aladin license as well. |
| 20:08.57 | slaxxin | did u try using ./dfu blablabla? |
| 20:09.05 | ssweeny | have root on NFS and use the cell data connection to mount it |
| 20:09.09 | ssweeny | ;-) |
| 20:09.27 | johngay | Can't do much if you stick with pure GNU stuff (-= |
| 20:09.28 | lindi- | 256M flash + 128M ram should be about enough too |
| 20:09.30 | slaxxin | or did u use dfu blabla |
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| 20:10.38 | mmaestri | damn small linux is based on debian, and it occupies 50Mb if i'm not wrong |
| 20:10.57 | lindi- | mmaestri: there's emdebian too |
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| 20:11.24 | [Rui] | johngay: you seem to be very misinformed, and to me you're spamming this channel. will you move it elsewhere, please? |
| 20:11.29 | lindi- | mmontour: but you might as well use OE if you go to that route :) |
| 20:11.59 | mmaestri | lindi-: guess you're talking to me :p |
| 20:12.05 | lindi- | argh, yes |
| 20:12.14 | mmaestri | yes, of course OE will make it |
| 20:12.45 | [Rui] | btw, OE's Linux doesn't yet have the tickless patch, right? |
| 20:12.51 | lindi- | mmaestri: and using OE + debian chroot is not impossible either |
| 20:12.52 | mmaestri | i'm not a debian zealot anyway, i just want it working |
| 20:12.58 | [Rui] | is anyone working on rebasing on a more recent Linux? |
| 20:14.42 | lindi- | mmaestri: i want debian mostly since it's free software and i'm familiar with how i can create and modify packages |
| 20:14.45 | [Rui] | are the mailing lists working, or do they need human intervention for subscription requests? |
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| 20:15.47 | fish_ | Zorkman: do you really think i need to 'wait a few hours'? |
| 20:17.14 | Zorkman | fish_: No idea, I had the same problem as you three times: two times removing the battery worked, one time i plugged it in and waited and after 50min the phone turned itself on (very x-files like :)) and when i checked, the battery was 80% full |
| 20:17.24 | Zorkman | but what i told you is what is suggested by the ML/wiki |
| 20:17.40 | fish_ | well.. than i'll have to wait.. |
| 20:18.02 | fish_ | but that really sucks and is an issue which should be adresed sometime |
| 20:18.24 | Zorkman | or maybe someone else know more about it, I suggest you also search the community mailinglist and the wiki |
| 20:19.19 | lindi- | can anyone help me to start the illume keyboard? details of my problem are at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/027245.html |
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| 20:22.27 | [Rui] | forget that mailing list question, I had a bad procmail rule |
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| 20:24.35 | slaxxin | fish maybe u have another nokia phone laying around with the same battery by chance? |
| 20:24.54 | Infoport | YEA! I visited an AT&T store, they had the 71234O SIMs, activated it, and it seems to register automatically wit the network each boot!! |
| 20:25.05 | Zorkman | nice one Infoport |
| 20:25.07 | slaxxin | yay told u so |
| 20:25.18 | Zorkman | fish_: there is a list of compatible batteries on the wiki |
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| 20:26.21 | johngay | Great, Infoport. What are the details of your plan? I'm still shopping around. |
| 20:26.37 | Infoport | people in store recognized me as the person with "that other phone" (although they didnt act weird about it all like the call center) |
| 20:26.47 | slaxxin | i have a real hard time telling people that is the problem because they just cant seem to believe new parts can be defective on 1 phone design an not on another |
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| 20:27.23 | slaxxin | pass it on |
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| 20:27.50 | Infoport | johngay currently I have the cheapest plan, with 450min anytime, and 5000 nights&weekends, plus 200 SMS message, and $1.99/mo for detailed billing, so I can see what my phone usage would be on a normal plan (not prepaid starter phone) |
| 20:27.52 | slaxxin | need to put that on freerunnerHQ |
| 20:28.42 | Infoport | slaxxin oh I believed you-- I switched away from a 71234D sim that it started with, and *thought* this was working, just slowly |
| 20:29.10 | Infoport | slaxxin I am going to edit the entry I put on this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT |
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| 20:30.08 | slaxxin | i editited it an it got removed |
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| 20:31.32 | slaxxin | damn lucky that sim didnt fry somebodys freerunner |
| 20:33.53 | johngay | So that was $40 a month? 1 or 2 year contract? |
| 20:35.05 | peter-b | anyone else got problems compiling python-vas ? |
| 20:35.34 | Infoport | johngay yes $40/mo plus the text fee, plus $1.99 for detailed billing, and I can change it. I got a two year plan (rather than none) so I could get a free/cheap backup phone with cam (not benefit to stay with them for years and not get a free phone) |
| 20:35.47 | peter-b | i get the same error no matter if i want to compile asu or fso |
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| 20:36.48 | johngay | I kinda like the look of the $20 unlimited data with no contract. Anyone using that? Anyone know what T-Mob has similar? |
| 20:36.48 | xt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQlzX7EyIwU <- I wish my freerunner experience was like this |
| 20:37.20 | w_erase | Hi...Just received my Freerunner but I'm not sure to understand what distribution is the good one to work with (in both user & developer point of view) ... |
| 20:37.51 | lindi- | w_erase: how experienced are you with gnu/linux? |
| 20:38.02 | w_erase | sure ... |
| 20:38.05 | Infoport | johngay I didnt know what I'd use (have Vonage at home for free long distance) and my wife is still on father's phone plan with Alltel, so I'm not saving by having lots of family on (yet) |
| 20:39.07 | TeXitoi | hi, My apt-get install anything allaws segfault. Any idea au to fix it? |
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| 20:39.29 | lindi- | TeXitoi: does wget + dpkg work? |
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| 20:39.37 | w_erase | lindi-, I know well Linux Debian & FreeBSD systems... kernel compilation, gnu apps building patching. etc |
| 20:40.02 | w_erase | lindi-, and some knowledge on uControlers (not yet arm) |
| 20:40.03 | TeXitoi | lindi-: it seems to segfault during the reading of the database at the begining |
| 20:40.13 | TeXitoi | I try dpkg |
| 20:40.14 | lindi- | w_erase: ok, i'm quite biased towards debian so i run debian on my freerunner |
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| 20:40.50 | lindi- | w_erase: avr too? ;) you wouldn't happen to have any hints on http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=67922 ? |
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| 20:42.14 | w_erase | lindi-, I have been working with atmega8-16-32 no usb stuff yet |
| 20:43.21 | TeXitoi | lindi-: armel ? or arm? |
| 20:43.34 | lindi- | Tanuva? |
| 20:43.39 | lindi- | TeXitoi: |
| 20:43.51 | lindi- | TeXitoi: atmel avr |
| 20:43.52 | w_erase | lindi-, Can debian distribution provide all the phone-related GUI, or only X and some package management system ? I mean is Freerunner with Debian can look like a phone ? |
| 20:44.13 | lindi- | w_erase: i did apt-get install zhone and i can make and receive calls and SMS |
| 20:44.31 | lindi- | w_erase: but it's very simple UI, nothing extra |
| 20:44.46 | lindi- | w_erase: see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 20:45.10 | lindi- | w_erase: and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian |
| 20:45.46 | TeXitoi | lindi-: dpkg -i work fine |
| 20:46.00 | lindi- | TeXitoi: good. |
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| 20:47.00 | lindi- | TeXitoi: can you qemubuilder --login --save-after-login and then DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip debug noopt" apt-get --build source apt-get to produce package with debugging symbols? |
| 20:47.25 | TeXitoi | Mmm, runing dpkg have fixed the pb |
| 20:47.51 | lindi- | TeXitoi: then scp apt* to freerunner and run "gdb --args apt-get install" and then "run" |
| 20:48.06 | |Marco| | I think I've done somthing wrong, but I don't know what.. the touche screen isn't working anymore.. but aux/power is working |
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| 20:50.02 | TeXitoi | now that it works, doing that is useless, no? |
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| 20:51.46 | lindi- | TeXitoi: well, it'll be a useful exercise |
| 20:52.03 | lindi- | TeXitoi: you can set break points in apt-get and step line-by-line :) |
| 20:52.35 | lindi- | (you might want to start with something simpler than apt-get though, it's C++....) |
| 20:53.22 | TeXitoi | lindi-: I have already used gdb ;-) |
| 20:53.36 | lindi- | TeXitoi: yep but have you used qemubuilder? ;) |
| 20:53.44 | TeXitoi | not yet |
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| 21:07.58 | kinneh | git ls-remote git://git.freesmartphone.org/eventd.git master failed with signal 128 |
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| 21:08.39 | kinneh | anybody has any idea ? |
| 21:08.46 | kinneh | while trying to build fso |
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| 21:09.08 | [Rui] | if I'm not a hardcore developer but I still want to build from scratch in order to help things, do you advise ASU testing or ASU stable? |
| 21:09.19 | [Rui] | pardon, ASU Devel or ASU testing? |
| 21:11.23 | lindi- | kinneh: i saw email about that today i think |
| 21:11.38 | [Rui] | well... let's go all the way then... dev it goes |
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| 21:14.39 | [Rui] | make setup'ing |
| 21:17.43 | w_erase | I'm never asked for PIN when booting om2008.8 (and I get No network registered when trying to dial . any idea ? |
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| 21:26.26 | Infoport | Doh! OM2007 doesnt include pushd (or popd I guess) good for going into a dir, then popping it off the stack and returning to where you were |
| 21:26.45 | [Rui] | w_erase: known bug |
| 21:27.23 | [Rui] | w_erase: it's trying to scan all files in the slow sd card and something goes to hell meanwhile |
| 21:27.33 | [Rui] | OK. |
| 21:27.43 | [Rui] | I'm now undecided on which way should I go... |
| 21:27.59 | [Rui] | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.02 | johngay | I'd go with qtopia, but then I like QT and KDE. |
| 21:29.25 | lindi- | Infoport: good thing is you can install software :) |
| 21:29.54 | [Rui] | johngay: that's not the qtopia image, that's the ASU (according to the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile section Building |
| 21:29.59 | Infoport | lindi- true, but I'll probably just do without pushd/popd and concentrate on other stuff |
| 21:30.14 | lindi- | Infoport: debian has 'em :) |
| 21:30.20 | [Rui] | I don't want the framebuffer qt only crap. it's the most stable, but it has no appeal to me :) |
| 21:30.45 | [Rui] | I'm not saying qt is crap, mind you! |
| 21:31.24 | [Rui] | it says it's quite a lengthy task, so I'm pretty much ready to leave it doing and then going to bed |
| 21:31.45 | [Rui] | but if it's taking about 12GB from my disk, I'd prefer not to make it again :) |
| 21:31.47 | johngay | AFAIK, qt on FreeRunner is x based, not frame-buffer. |
| 21:32.28 | [Rui] | johngay: you have both |
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| 21:32.46 | [Rui] | johngay: and the qtopia framebuffer thingie is the most stable I tried so far :) |
| 21:33.05 | [Rui] | johngay: it's just that the difference between these two options isn't all that clear to me... |
| 21:33.26 | [Rui] | what will ASU build, ASU Om2008.8 ??? I don't want that! |
| 21:33.43 | slaxxin | well what do u want? |
| 21:33.46 | johngay | Ah. I'm still trying to see where this is going. |
| 21:34.02 | slaxxin | u know what i want? |
| 21:34.20 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.25 | [Rui] | slaxxin: I don't want Om2008.8, that's quite bad :) I want what's comming |
| 21:34.35 | slaxxin | shr? |
| 21:34.43 | [Rui] | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.43 | [Rui] | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.49 | [Rui] | isn't clear to me which I should go with |
| 21:35.33 | slaxxin | yea i been using 2008.8 updated an it is a struggle |
| 21:35.49 | Infoport | lindi- yeah I use pushd/popd on many Linux distros, inc Ubuntu (debian based) & Fedora |
| 21:35.54 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.16 | Infoport | lindi- I'm also one of those people that opens many browser tabs, then goes and reads them all, closing them after use |
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| 21:36.22 | LetoTo | i like 2008.8 with updates. apart from the 'screen unblancing does not work, though ssh logins work' problem |
| 21:36.22 | [Rui] | slaxxin: if you install 2008.8, you can't update (or you'll break it) |
| 21:36.23 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * rd1f320604747 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: mdbus: increase client timeout for long-standing operations |
| 21:36.52 | LetoTo | slaxxin: i did that too. it looks good. but i had very limitel functionality? |
| 21:36.55 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.10 | LetoTo | slaxxin: only dialer,contacts,sms, and 'where am i' |
| 21:37.44 | slaxxin | i almost have wifi working i think |
| 21:37.52 | LetoTo | why not gentoo on your phone, compile natively every update :) |
| 21:37.59 | LetoTo | wifi works for me on 2008.8 |
| 21:38.05 | LetoTo | though only via the settings menu |
| 21:38.18 | slaxxin | atleast it asks for a pass for wifi if i click on my wap |
| 21:38.25 | LetoTo | not with the app that shows all the spots (perhaps it is not supposed to be able to select them from the map) |
| 21:38.39 | LetoTo | i had to install the full querty keyboard to be able to type in my wpa key :) |
| 21:38.53 | slaxxin | what no <> |
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| 21:42.27 | Infoport | can you *not* edit .desktop files to move a default app in the menus? I change kobodeluxe to Type=Games; and restarted, but still in Applications |
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| 21:42.37 | Infoport | restarted xserver |
| 21:43.23 | Infoport | I also wouldnt mind removing the first several from Applications, ie. Calculator, Contacts, Dates, & Dialer |
| 21:44.29 | Infoport | oh, should be Category=Games (but is already *IS*, just wont move out of Apps) |
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| 21:45.22 | Infoport | does Category=GTK put something in Applications? |
| 21:46.30 | TankC | I just got one of the miniature webcams that I ordered |
| 21:46.44 | TankC | Cracked it open and the circuit board is about 2x3cm |
| 21:47.03 | TankC | that includes the lens |
| 21:47.09 | UndrWater | how deep? |
| 21:47.35 | UndrWater | and what chipset? |
| 21:47.46 | Infoport | TankC are you going to set it up on your Neo? |
| 21:48.02 | TankC | the lens sticks out about 1.5cm on the top side, the circutry on the bottom sticks out maybe 0.5cm |
| 21:48.16 | TankC | Infoport: It depends, I ordered another mini webcam and I want to see how that compares to this one |
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| 21:48.44 | TankC | It uses the gspcav1 driver in linux |
| 21:48.52 | TankC | tested it on my main box, worked like a charm |
| 21:48.54 | TankC | and it's USB 1.1 |
| 21:48.59 | johngay | I like the idea of just plugging in a web cam on the USB for photo's rather than a permenantly mounted one. |
| 21:49.20 | UndrWater | TankC: do you already have gspca compiled? |
| 21:49.24 | Infoport | TankC sounds like a worthy effort -- with a cam you can scan barcodes and stuff even (there is some webcam-barcode project out there) |
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| 21:49.38 | TankC | UndrWater: Not for the FR |
| 21:50.11 | Infoport | TankC definitely put up a page on the wiki with your results! were they expensive? |
| 21:50.27 | UndrWater | i imagine a camera mounted inside a small ball that rotates within the lanyard hole |
| 21:50.29 | TankC | Infoport: indeed, this camera only takes VGA pics and has a really crappy image.. The other I ordered has a 1.3MP rez |
| 21:50.42 | TankC | Infoport: Both were in the $15 range |
| 21:50.47 | UndrWater | :-O |
| 21:50.50 | UndrWater | nice!! |
| 21:51.00 | TankC | found them on amazon |
| 21:51.09 | Infoport | TankC really cool-- I'll probably want to follow your lead :D |
| 21:51.27 | TankC | I'll do some experimenting and create a wiki page if I do something productive |
| 21:52.10 | TankC | I was thinking, if I do manage to mount it inside the FR, the only spot available is under the back cover next to the battery, right above the sim card |
| 21:52.12 | Infoport | TankC, UndrWater, there is *some* space available under the back lid next to the battery, but removable sounds nice too (like my external GPS antenna) |
| 21:52.34 | TankC | That also has the connivance of being right next to the USB port |
| 21:52.40 | Infoport | TankC beat me to the thought! |
| 21:52.46 | TankC | :) |
| 21:53.00 | TankC | convenience* |
| 21:53.19 | Infoport | I also imagine a docking solution, with maybe a small USB hub and power |
| 21:54.06 | TankC | Let me take a pic of this circuit board and show you what I'm looking at |
| 21:54.11 | Infoport | grr... I wish these default-installed apps would move when I edit their .desktop file and restart :-( |
| 21:55.05 | Infoport | TankC with a small dock, those plug-able devices could be ready at home, or attached to a small dock and carried |
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| 21:57.41 | Infoport | ok, got kobodeluxe to move menus-- it cant be Category=Games, but instead "Game" (no 's') |
| 21:58.56 | UndrWater | Infoport: debian? |
| 21:59.58 | Infoport | Undrwater, no I am playing with OM2007 again, after borking it somehow, and the new image included much more default apps, like games |
| 22:00.53 | Infoport | Undrwater, but certain apps just dont want to move, like Contacts, Dialer, Date, Messages (I don't know where 'GTK' puts them, but still in Applications) |
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| 22:02.05 | Infoport | I wish I could make them only in PIM, so Applications can be tidier. |
| 22:03.27 | Infoport | I put Calculator and Take Screenshot in Utility, but Calculator still shows up in PIM & Appl. |
| 22:04.39 | TankC | http://64.203.117.66/~ryan/FR_CAM.JPG |
| 22:05.07 | Zorkman | doesn't work TankC |
| 22:05.09 | TankC | woops... |
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| 22:05.22 | Infoport | yeah, didnt load for me either |
| 22:05.24 | TankC | http://64.203.117.66:8082/~ryan/FR_CAM.JPG |
| 22:05.27 | TankC | try that |
| 22:05.36 | Zorkman | loading |
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| 22:06.31 | Infoport | TankC cool! It will be interesting to see the other cam's size |
| 22:07.29 | TankC | Indeed |
| 22:07.56 | Infoport | TankC you *may* be able to get it in case but I think you would have to remove some plastic for the width |
| 22:08.18 | TankC | Yeah, I would |
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| 22:08.29 | TankC | I don't know how much freedom I have with the FR's board either |
| 22:08.32 | Infoport | TankC I'm looking at the space beside my battery, and I think that the cam is a little over 1 cm wide |
| 22:08.42 | johngay | Is that the low-res or hi-res camera? |
| 22:08.49 | TankC | low res |
| 22:09.23 | Infoport | TankC still, and outside-solution would be great..mayber something that straps onto the case and can be stored |
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| 22:10.04 | johngay | Maybe something that clips into the hole? |
| 22:10.25 | Infoport | TankC or maybe this would be a candidate for case mods (a new back cover!) LOTS of potential for stuff then |
| 22:10.50 | TankC | new back cover would be best, however it would take a LOT of time on my end... |
| 22:10.55 | johngay | Can be mounted either way. |
| 22:11.20 | TankC | I'd have to modify the CAD drawing, cut out a die, and play with some plastic injection |
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| 22:11.24 | Infoport | TankC and new back cover would point backward, unless it clipped on and stuck out to the side... |
| 22:11.37 | TankC | (I have access to all of those resources, it would just take forever) |
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| 22:12.14 | Infoport | TankC I think that a new back cover will be done for MANY people, and maybe a clip-on method could be generalized (or a thick backcase you could melt-and-glue) |
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| 22:13.12 | Infoport | TankC I wanted to look at CAD files, but all my free OSS used other formats :-( |
| 22:13.16 | TankC | Easiest way would just be make a new case for the webcam that has a side usb plug |
| 22:13.27 | TankC | what format are the cad files in? |
| 22:14.05 | Infoport | TankC in IGES_STEP and ProE |
| 22:15.06 | Infoport | hmm... I need to wrap this up and get to my Brewers Guild monthly meeting :-D |
| 22:15.35 | TankC | Blender has IGES import capability |
| 22:15.43 | TankC | will let you view the model at least |
| 22:15.56 | TankC | http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/File_format_list |
| 22:15.56 | johngay | Brew a pint for me, Infoport (; |
| 22:16.06 | TankC | me too! |
| 22:16.18 | Zorkman | too |
| 22:17.06 | Zorkman | do you export Infoport? :) |
| 22:17.13 | Infoport | :-D tonight is either Mead talks or How to Brew Better from the senior brewers (I'm more novice but learning, and part of hops co-op project) |
| 22:17.34 | TankC | I wouldn't mind learning how to make my own brews |
| 22:17.49 | johngay | I've had Mead. Very sweet. |
| 22:17.49 | TankC | Do you have a rig set up at your house? |
| 22:18.26 | Infoport | TankC not too hard, esp if you use malt extracts instead of whole grain. I'm not yet brewing whole grain, which needs a bigger setup and cooling method |
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| 22:19.18 | Infoport | you can brew from extracts & hops with a big pot to cook in, and a 5-gal carboy (glass water bottle) |
| 22:19.59 | Infoport | from extracts you only have to cook about 1 gal, and the extra water cools it enough for the yeast |
| 22:22.40 | Infoport | bye all! |
| 22:27.20 | hipitihop | morning all |
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| 22:29.05 | Infoport | ouch! my keyboard doesnt install on OM2007 now. I want to imnpress my friends with FR, but I get an error "Package matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'." |
| 22:29.21 | lambda | hi everybody |
| 22:29.27 | Infoport | same with the other matchbox-keyboard packages |
| 22:29.40 | Infoport | though matchbox worked before |
| 22:29.51 | lambda | i connected my neo to pc but i can't see a /dev/mmcblk1 |
| 22:30.05 | lambda | what module should i modprobe please ? |
| 22:30.23 | lambda | for partitionning the microSD card |
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| 22:33.59 | Infoport | grr...keyboard install errors seem to be b/c it is available in daily-feed |
| 22:34.37 | lambda | can i directly fdisk a SDcard plugged in the neo? |
| 22:35.35 | mjr | yes |
| 22:35.48 | Infoport | lambda that's how I went, aince Ubunto wanted to use nodev and automount them |
| 22:35.52 | TankC | Hmm, looks like BRL-CAD has native IGES support |
| 22:36.16 | TankC | http://brlcad.org/ |
| 22:36.32 | lambda | i mean perforlm a fdiskl from the pc the neo is plugged in |
| 22:36.43 | lambda | *performing |
| 22:36.48 | Infoport | ok, gotta run! |
| 22:37.01 | lambda | is it possible |
| 22:37.06 | mjr | well, you'd need to share it over the network to the pc using network block device or something |
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| 22:37.39 | mjr | but you know, your problem sounds eerily like the card isn't detected to share |
| 22:37.50 | lambda | yes |
| 22:38.02 | raster | burrp |
| 22:38.03 | lambda | only a ATM modem is detected |
| 22:38.18 | lambda | i have a linux2.6.24-1 debian |
| 22:38.53 | mjr | wait, you expect to see the card device on your host pc? |
| 22:39.23 | mjr | 's not how it goes (per default, anyway) |
| 22:40.10 | mjr | generally you ssh over to the neo and do your stuff there |
| 22:40.41 | hipitihop | rwhitby, about yet ? |
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| 22:42.58 | UndrWater | tangogps is crashing when i try to download maps |
| 22:43.06 | UndrWater | asu .08 |
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| 22:44.15 | hipitihop | lambda, I have done both ssh into neo and prepare/fdisk the sd and also done the sd card in host laptop too. Noth work |
| 22:44.39 | hipitihop | s/Noth/Both |
| 22:44.45 | lambda | ok |
| 22:45.18 | hipitihop | The host is ubuntu 8.04 |
| 22:45.22 | lambda | you do a ssh `your neo` |
| 22:45.44 | lambda | and what do you put for `your neo` ? |
| 22:45.49 | hipitihop | lambda, yes 'ssh root@192.168.0.202' |
| 22:46.12 | mjr | ...after ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.0.200 or similar |
| 22:46.40 | hipitihop | if you look at USB networking on the wiki it also shows some other SSH trick to even get your neo's screenon your desktop |
| 22:46.40 | lambda | oki |
| 22:46.46 | hipitihop | nods with mjr |
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| 22:48.02 | lambda | hipitihop, && mjr thank you |
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| 22:49.10 | hipitihop | lambda, there is also a wiki page for 'Booting from SD' which gives steps to prepare the SD, I'm using fat+ext2 and recent uboot |
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| 22:50.11 | lambda | i 've got a sandisk microSD SDHC 8Gigas |
| 22:50.21 | lambda | which version of u-boot is recommended ? |
| 22:50.57 | hipitihop | one of the later ones as opposed to what is originally shipped with fr |
| 22:51.34 | lambda | ok i gonna rtfm in depth |
| 22:51.39 | lambda | thx for support ! |
| 22:51.55 | hipitihop | lambda, re your SDHC, see the wiki for any special considerations. Should work fine but there may be extra steps |
| 22:52.15 | hipitihop | lambda, btw nice nick, is that a Lisper or Smalltalker in our midst ? |
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| 22:53.33 | lambda | thx it comes from the anonym λ python function |
| 22:54.05 | hipitihop | a close cousin that borrowed :-) |
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| 22:54.49 | hipitihop | does anyone know why 4 of the fso-testing feeds fail signature checks ? |
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| 22:55.42 | lambda | dunno ask mickeyl |
| 22:56.09 | hipitihop | correction, 4 signature files get http 404 |
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| 22:56.47 | Deubeuliou | Is it possible to turn the wifi to monitor mode ? "iwconfig eth0 mode monitor" doesn't work |
| 22:56.58 | donomo | hipitihop: the sig checks always fail, even for the 2007.2 repo |
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| 22:58.41 | hipitihop | donomo, ok, I'm assuming that won't prevent opkg upgrade |
| 23:00.41 | donomo | hipitihop: it wont. |
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| 23:05.55 | hipitihop | is there a basic cli interface to sending sms on fs-testing ? |
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| 23:19.34 | lambda | ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.200 port 22: Connection refused |
| 23:19.42 | lambda | when i attempt to scp an ipk file |
| 23:20.04 | hipitihop | lambda 192.168.0.202 |
| 23:20.17 | lambda | ok |
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| 23:21.13 | hipitihop | lambda 192.168.0.200 is the desktop end of the usbnet connection and hence the gateway for the neo's end 192.168.0.202 |
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