| 00:00.08 | phrozen77 | i wonder how long it'll take to get writing recognition going |
| 00:00.08 | Dave | STROKE IT, BABY! |
| 00:00.16 | Dave | it's "beginning" |
| 00:00.19 | Dave | matchbox-stroke... |
| 00:00.37 | ieatlint | writing recognition is on qtopia |
| 00:00.43 | Dave | heh |
| 00:00.50 | ieatlint | i find it annoying |
| 00:01.43 | ieatlint | the dictionary completion on qtopia rules |
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| 00:02.07 | ieatlint | until you want to type a word it doesn't know |
| 00:02.33 | torindel | ieatlint: try typing letter by letter ;p |
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| 00:03.11 | ieatlint | torindel: that doesn't really work |
| 00:03.17 | ieatlint | it tries |
| 00:03.19 | phrozen77_ | are there any figures out how many freerunners have been sold as of now? |
| 00:03.25 | Dave | rofl |
| 00:03.29 | Dave | it's kind of fun, almost like a game |
| 00:03.32 | ieatlint | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.36 | Dave | the recognition that is |
| 00:03.37 | torindel | ieatlint: it does ;] |
| 00:03.48 | Dave | since you have to figure out how to make it appear a certain letter |
| 00:04.12 | ieatlint | phrozen77: at least 7 |
| 00:04.31 | torindel | you just have to accept (tap) after every letter so dict doesnt catch what was earlier |
| 00:05.02 | Dave | still, no one knows how to make an I |
| 00:05.03 | torindel | phrozen77_: make that 8 |
| 00:05.04 | ieatlint | torindel: and then delete the space it adds |
| 00:05.10 | phrozen77_ | -_- |
| 00:05.13 | Dave | haha yeah |
| 00:05.14 | Dave | annoying :D |
| 00:05.18 | ieatlint | faster to change layouts |
| 00:05.20 | phrozen77_ | SRSLY DAMNIT! |
| 00:05.26 | torindel | ieatlint: i said tap not write space |
| 00:05.44 | torindel | was playing with qtopia for only 30 mins |
| 00:06.00 | ieatlint | eh, i use fso anyhow |
| 00:06.01 | Dave | haha |
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| 00:06.15 | torindel | Dave: try short | line from up to down in lower part of line |
| 00:06.16 | ieatlint | only thing |
| 00:06.28 | torindel | ieatlint: me too currently |
| 00:06.35 | ieatlint | not working is new sms notification |
| 00:06.45 | Dave | ROFLBUGS |
| 00:06.57 | torindel | but i'm compiling gentoo for moko atm |
| 00:06.59 | hipitihop | ieatlint, any sms support at all ? |
| 00:07.01 | Dave | ROFL |
| 00:07.07 | Dave | hahaha megabugs |
| 00:07.08 | Dave | :D:D:D:D |
| 00:07.13 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6f0dc97e105b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade linux-openmoko to get some accelerometers changes |
| 00:07.13 | ieatlint | torindel: nice |
| 00:07.17 | Dave | HOLY FORKBOMBS BATMAN! |
| 00:07.18 | ieatlint | let me |
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| 00:07.41 | ieatlint | know how that goes |
| 00:07.55 | ieatlint | hipitihop: there is |
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| 00:08.23 | ieatlint | it just won't tell you when a new comes |
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| 00:08.26 | Dave | oh great |
| 00:08.37 | Dave | openmoko-today and Xglamo just cascaded and simultaneously exploded |
| 00:08.37 | ieatlint | you have to go look |
| 00:08.38 | Dave | AWESOME |
| 00:08.39 | hipitihop | ieatlint, send is ok ? |
| 00:08.48 | ieatlint | yep |
| 00:08.55 | Dave | Openmoko-today is growing steadily by 4M/min |
| 00:08.57 | Dave | wonderful |
| 00:09.02 | Dave | it's up to 184M |
| 00:09.05 | Dave | go go go! |
| 00:09.13 | hipitihop | ieatlint, are we talking fso-testing ? |
| 00:09.14 | Dave | cheers as his freerunner crashes and burns |
| 00:09.24 | ieatlint | it won't tell you when the message is recieved either |
| 00:09.33 | ieatlint | hipitihop: post ms2 |
| 00:09.43 | Dave | Lint, when you receive a message? |
| 00:10.01 | ieatlint | ? |
| 00:10.14 | ieatlint | it has no timestamps |
| 00:10.19 | torindel | oomkills Dave |
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| 00:10.54 | Infoport | hi all! where can we get Numpty physics? can it be on OM2007.2? 2008.8? |
| 00:12.03 | hipitihop | ieatlint, is the sms stuff within zhone or some other app |
| 00:12.10 | ieatlint | there are issues with zhone too |
| 00:12.24 | ieatlint | hipitihop: in the framework |
| 00:12.27 | Infoport | is Numpty physics on a repo, or do I just grab the standard release off maemo.org ? |
| 00:12.48 | ieatlint | zhone issues are separate |
| 00:13.15 | Dave | Ecore Magic Check Failed!!! |
| 00:13.21 | Dave | ecore_event_handler_del() |
| 00:13.32 | Dave | dma2: channel has nothing loaded |
| 00:13.33 | hipitihop | ieatlint, I see, no user ui yet |
| 00:13.49 | ieatlint | well, the timestamp thing is kinda zhone |
| 00:14.01 | ieatlint | but kinda not |
| 00:14.12 | Dave | Man, what IS open on this phone!? |
| 00:14.16 | Dave | fucking-a |
| 00:14.43 | ieatlint | when an sms arrives, thh modem puts it in the tirst open slot on the sim |
| 00:14.50 | ieatlint | no tim4stamp |
| 00:14.59 | Dave | eww |
| 00:15.12 | hipitihop | Infoport, some of the distros have it in their feeds or even come pre-installed. e.g. I'm using fs-testing and it has it preinstalled |
| 00:15.50 | ieatlint | normally the phone ui gets a new sms signal, copies offxthe sim and puts a timestamp on it |
| 00:15.54 | hipitihop | Infoport, s/fs-testing/fso-testing |
| 00:16.06 | Dave | Fucking exquisite. |
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| 00:16.50 | ieatlint | so zhone doesn't support this, and until the framework emits the signal, it can't |
| 00:17.14 | Dave | We get signal? |
| 00:17.19 | ieatlint | but since zhone is like a placeholder, i doubt |
| 00:17.28 | ieatlint | it ever will |
| 00:17.38 | Dave | sounds like fail, lint :( |
| 00:17.54 | ieatlint | time will fix it |
| 00:18.10 | ieatlint | phone calls are more important |
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| 00:18.35 | ieatlint | and fso does them quite well |
| 00:18.42 | Dave | that's about it |
| 00:18.46 | Dave | :P |
| 00:19.06 | Pyrasi | I've had no trouble with the latest ASU as far as phone calls go |
| 00:19.16 | Dave | yup |
| 00:19.18 | Dave | hey Pyrasi :P |
| 00:19.22 | ieatlint | although we need a client that has a call log |
| 00:19.34 | Pyrasi | hey all =) |
| 00:19.37 | Dave | :D |
| 00:19.42 | Dave | ieatlint, oh god yes. |
| 00:19.44 | ieatlint | i don't trust asu |
| 00:19.48 | Dave | hahaha |
| 00:19.50 | Dave | you said it :P |
| 00:20.01 | ieatlint | i trust 2008.8 less |
| 00:20.06 | Dave | :D |
| 00:20.06 | Pyrasi | ieatlint....have you tried the build raster made a few days ago? |
| 00:20.14 | Dave | HAHAHAHA oh god |
| 00:20.19 | ieatlint | shr is on the horizon |
| 00:20.28 | Dave | Lint, we should make a xahlee style graph of images |
| 00:20.33 | Dave | like the emacs/editor graphs |
| 00:20.35 | Dave | :P |
| 00:20.36 | Pyrasi | lol |
| 00:20.45 | Dave | hahah, Usability of Openmoko Images |
| 00:20.48 | Dave | I can see it now :P |
| 00:20.54 | SUNWjoejaxx | lol |
| 00:20.59 | Dave | ASU is like a hyperbola |
| 00:21.00 | ieatlint | we just need a nice ui for the |
| 00:21.02 | Pyrasi | http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ Check this one out if you are willing to reflash ;) |
| 00:21.07 | ieatlint | framework |
| 00:21.07 | Pyrasi | though i wouldnt opkg upgrade |
| 00:21.09 | Dave | yeah yeah |
| 00:21.19 | Dave | ieatlint, yeah once THAT'S dont :) |
| 00:21.20 | Dave | done |
| 00:21.29 | Dave | god, my freerunner takes even longer to boot now |
| 00:21.39 | Dave | I should time it again sometime soon. |
| 00:21.42 | SUNWjoejaxx | time to revert back to 2008.8 and wipe the microSD card |
| 00:21.50 | Dave | In other news, I need to overclock it and use watercooling. |
| 00:21.53 | ieatlint | the framework is complete enough to write one :p |
| 00:22.00 | Dave | and document the whole process for all you to bask in awe. |
| 00:22.06 | SUNWjoejaxx | lol |
| 00:22.20 | hipitihop | Pyrasi, what's sepcial about that image ? |
| 00:22.21 | Dave | and giggle when everything goes catastrophically wrong. :P |
| 00:22.26 | ieatlint | the phone technically is 500mhz i'm told |
| 00:22.30 | Dave | es |
| 00:22.32 | Dave | Yes |
| 00:22.35 | Dave | That is correct |
| 00:22.39 | torindel | ieatlint: 400? |
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| 00:22.57 | ieatlint | so there you go! |
| 00:22.57 | Pyrasi | Raster made it a few days ago off of the most current ASU dev branch at the time.....he also included some mods he made....mainly the keyboard being not crappy |
| 00:23.01 | Dave | oh yeah, uhh |
| 00:23.20 | CVirus | torindel: ieatlint: it is downclocked to 400 as far as i recall |
| 00:23.21 | Pyrasi | the keyboard he put in there is a modified version of the illume one that can read from any dictionary file |
| 00:23.23 | ieatlint | torindel: 500 clocked down to 400 |
| 00:23.23 | Pyrasi | its pretty nice |
| 00:23.28 | mmontour | ieatlint: IIRC the CPU is rated at 500, but the overall system is only rated for 400 |
| 00:24.03 | hipitihop | Pyrasi, so it's an ASU derivative, quite diff from fso-testing |
| 00:24.09 | Pyrasi | yea |
| 00:24.17 | ieatlint | mmontour: steve explained it to me at linuxworld |
| 00:24.36 | ieatlint | too much to type on the neo though |
| 00:24.37 | torindel | ieatlint: it can even be 3ghz nominal but that doesnt make diffrence if it only runs at 400mhz ;] |
| 00:24.37 | hipitihop | scrambles to lookup that new graph of images |
| 00:24.42 | Pyrasi | i wish they had linux conventions around Kentucky =/ |
| 00:25.00 | Dave | gah |
| 00:25.11 | ieatlint | torindel: i never said it ran at 500 |
| 00:25.12 | Dave | back in the bayou, eh? |
| 00:25.20 | Dave | you make your own moonshine and shit there, pyrasi? :P |
| 00:25.38 | Dave | ieatlint: you know you want to, though! |
| 00:25.48 | Pyrasi | heh....Im actually in Lexington which is a decent sized city.....but i HAVE had moonshine |
| 00:25.49 | Pyrasi | lol |
| 00:25.59 | Dave | LAWL |
| 00:26.00 | Pyrasi | I DO brew my own beer....but not moonshine =P |
| 00:26.02 | ieatlint | eh, onee can do a lot with 400 |
| 00:26.04 | Dave | :) |
| 00:26.12 | Dave | ieatlint, apparently not where video is concerned. |
| 00:26.19 | SUNWjoejaxx | Pyrasi: i think i will try out that image you were suggesting |
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| 00:26.29 | rwhitby | the cpu is rated, and will run at 500. The circuitry the CPU is connected to is only rated for 400MHz stable operation |
| 00:26.36 | ieatlint | it's only moonshine if you sell it |
| 00:26.42 | Pyrasi | i like it pretty well. Like i said...dont opkg upgrade...it will downgrade it ;) |
| 00:26.55 | torindel | wonder ir |
| 00:27.01 | ieatlint | Dave: this is why we need better glamo support |
| 00:27.05 | Dave | rwhitby, intriguing, give us more information :) |
| 00:27.14 | Dave | ieatlint: or we just need to blow it up! |
| 00:27.22 | rwhitby | the only reason there is a 500MHz cpu in there is cause the manufacturer didn't have an 400MHz ones left to see OM |
| 00:27.24 | Dave | to prove it's lack of usefulness. |
| 00:27.26 | torindel | wonder if it would be possibly to run at 500mhz and would it increase glamo bus |
| 00:27.28 | Pyrasi | I've been running it for a about 4 days and calls have worked fine....everything except for bluetooth being useable after a suspend...but i think that is a kernel problem |
| 00:27.38 | Dave | rwhitby, haha :) |
| 00:27.38 | torindel | +s |
| 00:27.43 | Pyrasi | oh and the sd card being mounted in the wrong place after suspend |
| 00:27.43 | rwhitby | torindel: it's unrelated to glamo bus |
| 00:27.49 | Dave | \o/ |
| 00:28.08 | torindel | rwhitby: ;] |
| 00:28.12 | rwhitby | (see the schematics for details) |
| 00:28.23 | Dave | rwhitby, my understanding is that increasing to 500MHz would smooth out the choppiness of the video playback you get on the GTA02. |
| 00:28.27 | hipitihop | Pyrasi, you talking about rasters image ? |
| 00:28.32 | Pyrasi | yea |
| 00:28.43 | ieatlint | Dave.pants ^= 1; |
| 00:28.56 | torindel | Dave: it wont |
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| 00:29.02 | Dave | Why not? |
| 00:29.03 | rwhitby | Dave: and just where does that understanding come from, and for what values of video format? |
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| 00:29.19 | rwhitby | (and for what values of SD card activity as well) |
| 00:29.20 | torindel | Dave: cause of glamo bus |
| 00:29.27 | Dave | rwhitby, zero SD activity |
| 00:29.29 | hipitihop | ieatlint, does fso-testing have any bluetooth support yet ? |
| 00:29.29 | johngay | I think it runs at 400 to match the memory config. |
| 00:29.30 | Dave | streaming |
| 00:29.31 | CVirus | the the glamo |
| 00:29.37 | CVirus | err .. fuck the glamo* |
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| 00:29.42 | Dave | Agreed :) |
| 00:29.43 | CVirus | too much caffeine makes me hallucinate |
| 00:29.47 | Dave | xv |
| 00:29.49 | Pyrasi | lol |
| 00:29.53 | ieatlint | fso has no bt gui |
| 00:29.58 | Dave | I thought you were a virus? |
| 00:30.11 | rwhitby | ieatlint: sure it does, it's called "Terminal" |
| 00:30.13 | Dave | Was that just a hallucination too? |
| 00:30.13 | CVirus | Dave: stfu and get back to your lab |
| 00:30.17 | slaxxer | prassi u have link to rasters file? |
| 00:30.26 | Pyrasi | http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ |
| 00:30.28 | ieatlint | rwhitby: :) |
| 00:30.34 | CVirus | Dave: what lab is it .. may I ask ? |
| 00:30.43 | rwhitby | spacelab |
| 00:30.48 | Dave | The Disco Lab, baby! |
| 00:30.53 | Dave | get your groove on! |
| 00:30.54 | Dave | ;) |
| 00:31.00 | ieatlint | no bt headaet support to my knowledge |
| 00:31.12 | Dave | not in fso... yet |
| 00:32.03 | Pyrasi | Im impressed at how quickly FSO moves along....the tickets get knocked out at a pretty nice pace |
| 00:35.34 | Dave | Yeah, it's rather disappointing. |
| 00:35.42 | Dave | Where's the OM development? :( |
| 00:35.47 | Dave | boohoo |
| 00:35.48 | Dave | Oh well. |
| 00:36.32 | hipitihop | time to get some real work done |
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| 00:38.12 | ieatlint | ok, i'm cya |
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| 00:41.49 | johngay | Paypal just crashed Konqeror again )-= |
| 00:42.04 | johngay | At least it wasn't confirming the order this time. |
| 00:42.24 | johngay | Guess I'll have to use M$ to order my phone )-= |
| 00:42.42 | slaxxer | naaa |
| 00:42.45 | russellb | does anyone know which alsa scenario is supposed to let the mic work? heh |
| 00:43.01 | johngay | The one that works? |
| 00:43.23 | russellb | yes, that's it. maybe the one that works will work. |
| 00:43.52 | johngay | Better chance than the one that doesn't work. |
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| 00:44.52 | russellb | I've got VoIP calls working fine with 1-way audio :) |
| 00:45.01 | russellb | but that's not all that useful, heh |
| 00:45.25 | mjr | could be more useful |
| 00:45.28 | mjr | what's the snag? |
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| 00:46.22 | russellb | i just don't seem to have the mic enabled yet |
| 00:46.32 | russellb | (or perhaps I'm not binding to correct device) |
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| 00:47.16 | johngay | But as long as you only call women, you don't really need the mic. |
| 00:47.45 | CVirus | hehe |
| 00:47.53 | mjr | but it's no fun if they don't hear you pant |
| 00:48.18 | CVirus | okay .. let me rephrase that "But as long as you only call "your grandma", you don't really need the mic. |
| 00:48.37 | johngay | They never stop talking long enough to hear you anyway. |
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| 00:57.32 | johngay | Finally got my order in. Had to use M$, though )-= |
| 00:58.35 | mmontour | ewwww - MS and paypal in the same day. :( |
| 01:00.48 | johngay | Yea. I feel so violated )-= |
| 01:02.43 | johngay | I suppose I could have tried Safari instead. |
| 01:04.37 | johngay | A friend at work gave me a G3 iMac last week. |
| 01:12.02 | wyze | can u spell... nerd? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk7Gx5FC4Nc&feature=related |
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| 01:16.16 | KenYoung | wyze, He's the open source answer to Steve Jobs. |
| 01:17.00 | wyze | hehe |
| 01:17.53 | johngay | Just what we need, a Steve Jobs )-= |
| 01:18.12 | tunys | I'm mentioning my plan to get a FreeRunner on another chan... |
| 01:18.23 | tunys | <neptunepink> tunys: a Free Runner? |
| 01:18.23 | tunys | <tunys> neptunepink: equipment for streaking at sporting events |
| 01:20.11 | SUNWjoejaxx | hahaha |
| 01:20.46 | KenYoung | wyze, I don't understand why he just reads the article he found. Couldn't he have read the pop-up ads for Netflix too? |
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| 01:21.45 | SUNWjoejaxx | i love the locations app on 2008.8 |
| 01:22.09 | SUNWjoejaxx | "THE GPS IS NOT ON!!!! What would you like to do? :D" - Freerunner |
| 01:22.22 | SUNWjoejaxx | uh oh |
| 01:22.28 | wyze | KenYoung lol |
| 01:22.54 | SUNWjoejaxx | oh ok |
| 01:23.01 | SUNWjoejaxx | it came back on |
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| 01:27.13 | SUNWjoejaxx | that is interesting |
| 01:27.20 | tomjoad440 | anybody know if there are any external battery chargers that can safely be used with the FreeRunner batteries? |
| 01:27.30 | SUNWjoejaxx | on that raster image i can make calls |
| 01:28.08 | raster | eek! |
| 01:28.10 | raster | no |
| 01:28.14 | raster | i built something functional |
| 01:28.18 | raster | runs |
| 01:28.21 | SUNWjoejaxx | rofl! |
| 01:28.33 | SUNWjoejaxx | raster: yeah i just tried calling my other phone |
| 01:28.37 | SUNWjoejaxx | raster: and i get voicemail ;) |
| 01:29.19 | torindel | tomjoad440: nokia one's ? |
| 01:29.59 | torindel | tomjoad440: check on wiki what nokia batteries are moko compatible with and get nokia charger for one of them |
| 01:30.04 | tomjoad440 | torindel: I don't know, is that safe to use with the batteries OM sells |
| 01:30.14 | zash | accelerometer-question: |
| 01:30.35 | zash | can one of them be replaced with a digital compass? |
| 01:30.55 | torindel | tomjoad440: they all have same voltage and very simmilar capacity to 6C (whatever 6thing) nokia battery |
| 01:31.07 | tomjoad440 | torindel: sorry I don't know what I was doing but I completely skipped the bullet point that you can use a stand-alone charger |
| 01:31.54 | tomjoad440 | sorry everybody for the stupid question. I'll be quiet now. |
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| 01:33.39 | torindel | tomjoad440: get one for BL-6C (nokia ngage battery) it have almost identical capacity as om battery |
| 01:34.00 | tomjoad440 | torindel: thanks |
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| 01:35.11 | SUNWjoejaxx | hmm |
| 01:35.14 | SUNWjoejaxx | that is not good |
| 01:35.30 | SUNWjoejaxx | the openmoko should not go into suspend if it is plugged into usb |
| 01:37.26 | tunys | SUNWjoejaxx: so you can make calls with 2008.8? |
| 01:37.31 | tunys | what about SMS? |
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| 01:38.01 | SUNWjoejaxx | tunys: i can make calls with rasters image |
| 01:38.06 | SUNWjoejaxx | i do not know about sms yet |
| 01:38.15 | SUNWjoejaxx | i need to charge me blackberry so i can test it |
| 01:38.20 | SUNWjoejaxx | s/me/my/ |
| 01:38.42 | linuxxr | http://www.gp2xstore.com/Neo_1973_Base_Phone_p/012.htm |
| 01:38.58 | SUNWjoejaxx | linuxxr: yeah they are still selling the 1973 |
| 01:39.05 | tunys | why? |
| 01:39.12 | linuxxr | yikes |
| 01:39.20 | SUNWjoejaxx | tunys: hmm? |
| 01:39.36 | tunys | why are they still selling that thing? |
| 01:39.40 | SUNWjoejaxx | oh |
| 01:39.43 | SUNWjoejaxx | i have no idea |
| 01:39.58 | linuxxr | might buy 1 just for the box:) |
| 01:40.01 | SUNWjoejaxx | they are even selling the 1973 HDK kit too |
| 01:40.36 | linuxxr | guess its not an 850 |
| 01:41.08 | SUNWjoejaxx | yeah |
| 01:41.12 | torindel | HDK? |
| 01:41.13 | SUNWjoejaxx | it is the 900 version |
| 01:41.35 | linuxxr | why the hell a 900 |
| 01:42.14 | SUNWjoejaxx | torindel: comes with 2 batteries/microsd cards/usb cables/debugboard/toolbox/neo tools/the infamous Neo screwdriver |
| 01:42.53 | SUNWjoejaxx | i cannot believe they are selling that at original retail price |
| 01:42.54 | SUNWjoejaxx | lol |
| 01:42.58 | torindel | whats in toolbox/neo tools? ;] |
| 01:43.10 | SUNWjoejaxx | http://www.gp2xstore.com/Neo_1973_Advanced_Phone_p/014.htm |
| 01:43.15 | SUNWjoejaxx | 400 usd |
| 01:43.16 | SUNWjoejaxx | lol |
| 01:44.13 | SUNWjoejaxx | for an obsolete Neo |
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| 01:44.24 | hipitihop_away | has anyone seen the android ui here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GDl2r0RxpE&feature=related looks pretty neat |
| 01:44.54 | torindel | SUNWjoejaxx: "currently unavailble" |
| 01:46.31 | SUNWjoejaxx | torindel: it is available |
| 01:46.39 | zash | hipitihop_away: that looks like something someone dreamed |
| 01:46.46 | SUNWjoejaxx | otherwise i have no idea why they have it for auction on ebay as well |
| 01:47.02 | linuxxr | looks like fso somewhat |
| 01:47.05 | CVirus | all this can be implemented for OM using clutter or pigment |
| 01:48.22 | SUNWjoejaxx | tunys: let me charge my blackberry so i can test :) give me a few minutes |
| 01:48.35 | tunys | oic |
| 01:48.57 | zash | hipitihop_away: http://gizmodo.com/5038586/an-in+depth-video-tour-of-android-09-an-almost-great-almost-os |
| 01:49.55 | zash | that is acutaly pretty interesting |
| 01:50.34 | zash | ui-devs: STEAL SHIT! |
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| 01:50.49 | zash | neonode has a somewhat cool gui |
| 01:50.51 | zash | also |
| 01:51.05 | hipitihop_away | neonode ? |
| 01:51.26 | zash | hipitihop_away: a crappy swedish company that failed |
| 01:51.39 | zash | but the ui on their phone is pretty cool |
| 01:52.16 | zash | also, s/steal shit/be inspired/ |
| 01:52.29 | zash | hipitihop_away: search for neonode n2 on youtube |
| 01:53.26 | zash | übercheap "touchscreen" that you control with swipes |
| 01:55.17 | hipitihop_away | nice |
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| 01:55.31 | hipitihop_away | I hope to start seeing stuff like this on the fr soon |
| 01:56.09 | xmpp | i don't know if android will be a free download and become an option for the fr |
| 01:56.24 | zash | who cares about android? |
| 01:56.44 | zash | an ugly java-ish hack running on top of linu |
| 01:56.46 | zash | x |
| 01:56.59 | SUNWjoejaxx | WOOOHOO |
| 01:57.03 | CVirus | android sucks |
| 01:57.06 | hipitihop_away | is that what it is |
| 01:57.20 | SUNWjoejaxx | "A New message has arrived. Do you wish to read it?" |
| 01:57.22 | SUNWjoejaxx | tunys: ^ |
| 01:57.23 | zash | hipitihop_away: pretty much |
| 01:57.47 | xmpp | i sure prefer open source but right now i know i'm missing calls with om an i have a hard time to input anything on my phone |
| 01:58.02 | zash | hipitihop_away: java-code with nonstandard libs converted to "dalvik" bytecode |
| 01:58.03 | SUNWjoejaxx | tunys: so with this image you can receive sms, i will test sending from the freerunner now |
| 01:58.13 | hipitihop_away | eek, the dark side.. I thought Google were Pythonistas |
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| 01:58.35 | xmpp | so waiting for a stable om i could settle for some stable android |
| 01:58.52 | torindel | SUNWjoejaxx: fso m2 can |
| 01:59.07 | torindel | (shot sms) |
| 01:59.11 | torindel | short* |
| 01:59.30 | zash | short short message service? |
| 01:59.48 | hipitihop_away | ok I'm really away now |
| 01:59.55 | SUNWjoejaxx | torindel: yeah but this is a 2008.8+dev image iirc |
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| 01:59.58 | torindel | zash: i mean those that are send as open text in single commang |
| 02:01.04 | zash | torindel: what, like *123*987654# |
| 02:01.11 | SUNWjoejaxx | tunys: and sms sending works! |
| 02:01.21 | SUNWjoejaxx | tunys: so this image is usable lol |
| 02:01.35 | SUNWjoejaxx | i need to test gps though |
| 02:02.04 | SUNWjoejaxx | i do have to say it is a bit slow launching stuff though |
| 02:02.34 | zash | torindel: *123# and similar is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unstructured_Supplementary_Service_Data |
| 02:03.00 | zash | keeps forgetting that |
| 02:04.02 | SUNWjoejaxx | raster: nice one ;) |
| 02:04.14 | SUNWjoejaxx | oh |
| 02:04.23 | SUNWjoejaxx | time to test call suspension |
| 02:04.48 | torindel | zash: ussd is another thing |
| 02:04.49 | linuxxr | anybody had a look at android code? |
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| 02:05.25 | torindel | i'm talking about sms that come as "one unencoded packet" and are not divided throo multiple sms'es |
| 02:05.34 | raster | SUNWjoejaxx: it will speed up. at first boot qpe is busy spinngin using cpu |
| 02:05.40 | zash | torindel: as in .. standard sms-es? |
| 02:05.41 | raster | it shoudl be launchnig stuff in 1-2 secs mostly |
| 02:05.47 | raster | once it settles in |
| 02:06.05 | torindel | zash: yep |
| 02:06.10 | zash | torindel: afaik, splitting sms into multiple sms-es is nonstandard |
| 02:06.11 | SUNWjoejaxx | raster: it has been up for about 46 minutes |
| 02:06.22 | SUNWjoejaxx | raster: it was fast at first |
| 02:06.52 | torindel | zash: it is a standard but separate from orginal sms standard |
| 02:07.05 | SUNWjoejaxx | i want to test calling it while in suspend |
| 02:07.11 | SUNWjoejaxx | i am going to do that in a few |
| 02:07.13 | zash | torindel: so, they have standardized it? :D |
| 02:07.28 | raster | SUNWjoejaxx: it should be ok now then |
| 02:07.53 | raster | SUNWjoejaxx: you know the app has launched then the spinning anim stops or goes away |
| 02:08.00 | raster | the resat after that is the app itself doing stuff |
| 02:08.05 | SUNWjoejaxx | yeah |
| 02:08.08 | raster | (ie likely its window is up but not drawn) |
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| 02:08.30 | SUNWjoejaxx | raster: for me i noticed it for the Messages launch |
| 02:10.30 | raster | messages is qtopia stuff |
| 02:10.37 | raster | when it enters qtopia land... thats where i stop |
| 02:10.37 | raster | :) |
| 02:12.20 | zash | can someone teach me how to run whatever images in qemu? |
| 02:12.38 | SUNWjoejaxx | raster: haha ok :) |
| 02:12.59 | raster | in future i will work on FSO |
| 02:13.00 | linuxxr | me too |
| 02:13.08 | raster | as that has niceness to it |
| 02:13.14 | linuxxr | wat zash said |
| 02:13.31 | SUNWjoejaxx | there is a wikipage on compiling the Neo emulator |
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| 02:13.58 | zash | has done make qemu with mokomakefile a bunch of times |
| 02:14.43 | linuxxr | cgb |
| 02:15.23 | tunys | SUNWjoejaxx: thanks! |
| 02:15.38 | SUNWjoejaxx | tunys: you are most welcome :) |
| 02:16.00 | linuxxr | hi |
| 02:16.23 | SUNWjoejaxx | hey linuxxr ! |
| 02:16.24 | SUNWjoejaxx | :) |
| 02:16.48 | linuxxr | messin wit irc settings |
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| 02:17.51 | brian_ | ss |
| 02:18.21 | zash | ehm, the whatever-image-"make qemu"-gives-me wont do anything |
| 02:18.43 | zash | just buttons that changes bg-color onclick |
| 02:24.56 | SUNWjoejaxx | has anyone else successfully upgraded their uboot with these instructions? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_boot_loader_to_the_NAND |
| 02:25.25 | brian_ | does the wifi tutorial work? |
| 02:26.19 | brian_ | ya might need a "./" in front on some systems |
| 02:26.34 | brian_ | i have done it though |
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| 02:28.17 | torindel | anyone got usb gadget working in qemu? |
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| 02:30.22 | xmpp | what's the partition scheme of om ? what file system ? |
| 02:30.38 | zash | xmpp: jffs2 |
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| 02:30.52 | zash | is what it says on the end of the rootfs-files |
| 02:31.12 | xmpp | jffs2 is exactly what i thought it should use |
| 02:31.17 | zash | :D |
| 02:31.20 | Flinx | werid question.. is the keyboard from Nokia's OS2008 publicly availible? |
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| 02:32.23 | zash | wth |
| 02:32.31 | zash | qemu makes no sence |
| 02:32.55 | torindel | Flinx: care to find screenshoot? ;] |
| 02:33.08 | Flinx | moo? |
| 02:33.12 | Flinx | Screenshot of what? |
| 02:33.28 | torindel | keyboard from Nokia's OS2008 |
| 02:33.33 | Flinx | Oh.. |
| 02:33.38 | Flinx | err... gimmie 5? |
| 02:33.39 | zash | google gives me pix of hardware-kbds |
| 02:33.57 | Flinx | I know that there isn't a nice way of taking one from my N800 |
| 02:34.29 | zash | Flinx: http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/03/03/n810_3_qwerty.jpg |
| 02:34.33 | zash | Flinx: that one? |
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| 02:35.03 | SUNWjoejaxx | man i really need to get a debug board |
| 02:35.24 | Flinx | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemofingerkeyboard.jpg |
| 02:35.30 | Flinx | blah... |
| 02:35.34 | Flinx | well thats a pic |
| 02:35.57 | SUNWjoejaxx | :) |
| 02:36.04 | SUNWjoejaxx | has that on his 770 |
| 02:36.10 | SUNWjoejaxx | i love that keyboar |
| 02:36.11 | SUNWjoejaxx | d |
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| 02:37.19 | Flinx | I do to |
| 02:37.27 | Flinx | I'm wondering how portable it is |
| 02:37.39 | torindel | think he seen some nokia sources somewhere ;] |
| 02:37.49 | torindel | including maemo etc |
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| 02:38.00 | Flinx | OO!! Lemme find it :D! I'm good at finding things |
| 02:38.09 | zash | Flinx: a .. software keyboard. if its not portable, your'e doing it wrong :D |
| 02:38.43 | Flinx | No... I'm just doing it weird ;) |
| 02:38.50 | zash | if it runs on x, it shouldnt be a problem, i think |
| 02:39.04 | zash | and if it is, i'm going to hate whoever wrote it |
| 02:39.13 | Flinx | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_SetupKeyboard/ -- maybe? |
| 02:40.38 | Flinx | http://upir.cz/maemo/keyboards/ -- source code availible |
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| 02:41.08 | zash | keyboard layouts |
| 02:41.11 | zash | it says |
| 02:41.12 | Flinx | mrg... yeah |
| 02:41.27 | Flinx | I was going to start typing that but a link overthrew my mibbit. |
| 02:41.54 | Flinx | is that close to what we need or not at all? |
| 02:43.21 | zash | if it's just a customized matchbox-keyboard |
| 02:43.29 | zash | but iduno 'bout that |
| 02:43.53 | SUNWjoejaxx | gps works on that image too |
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| 02:44.08 | brian_ | are the dependencies for tango on 2008.8? |
| 02:45.19 | Flinx | yeah, I installed it just fine :D |
| 02:47.15 | torindel | Flinx: | |
| 02:47.15 | torindel | Flinx: u/ | | |
| 02:47.18 | torindel | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.21 | torindel | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.24 | torindel | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.27 | torindel | ups |
| 02:47.29 | SUNWjoejaxx | lol |
| 02:48.09 | zash | whut |
| 02:49.15 | kd8ikt | grabs a katana |
| 02:49.30 | torindel | damn links |
| 02:49.41 | SUNWjoejaxx | ok |
| 02:49.42 | torindel | still can correctly select url |
| 02:49.44 | torindel | lol |
| 02:49.47 | torindel | cant* |
| 02:49.51 | SUNWjoejaxx | testing suspend/incoming calls |
| 02:49.54 | torindel | w8 till i paste it |
| 02:50.04 | zash | torindel: i hope you use a pastebin |
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| 02:50.36 | SUNWjoejaxx | ok |
| 02:50.46 | SUNWjoejaxx | raster's OM image is crazy |
| 02:50.51 | SUNWjoejaxx | the phone comes out of suspend |
| 02:50.53 | SUNWjoejaxx | if you call it |
| 02:50.57 | torindel | Flinx: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/source/ |
| 02:51.02 | zash | SUNWjoejaxx: nice |
| 02:51.02 | SUNWjoejaxx | tunys: ^ |
| 02:51.07 | torindel | i intended to paste that ^ |
| 02:51.08 | torindel | lol |
| 02:51.10 | kd8ikt | thats what its supposed to do SUNWjoejaxx |
| 02:51.18 | SUNWjoejaxx | kd8ikt: of course |
| 02:51.25 | tunys | SUNWjoejaxx: oic |
| 02:51.27 | SUNWjoejaxx | but there were complaints that the phone would not |
| 02:51.28 | kd8ikt | and thats "crazy"? |
| 02:51.33 | SUNWjoejaxx | kd8ikt: sure |
| 02:51.36 | torindel | somethings uber borked in my gpm support in links >_> |
| 02:51.44 | kd8ikt | only thing crazy around here is you |
| 02:52.02 | SUNWjoejaxx | kd8ikt: :P |
| 02:52.21 | SUNWjoejaxx | kd8ikt: that image also is able to receive/send calls and sms |
| 02:52.27 | SUNWjoejaxx | and gps works |
| 02:52.31 | torindel | SUNWjoejaxx, Flinx: you can get there a lot of nokia source including microb etc |
| 02:52.37 | SUNWjoejaxx | well atleast locations knows where i am |
| 02:52.40 | SUNWjoejaxx | torindel: oh ok |
| 02:52.44 | SUNWjoejaxx | looks |
| 02:53.00 | Flinx | ah |
| 02:53.02 | SUNWjoejaxx | kd8ikt: which is a lot better than 2008.8 |
| 02:53.22 | Flinx | I'm just wondering why OM isn't using one of those keyboards. |
| 02:53.28 | brian_ | well im sticking with 2008.8 |
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| 02:55.16 | torindel | time to sleep |
| 02:55.19 | torindel | night all |
| 02:57.43 | SUNWjoejaxx | Goodnight torindel |
| 03:01.56 | brian_ | what else i have to do to tango to show my position? |
| 03:02.10 | brian_ | on 2008.8 |
| 03:02.26 | Flinx | do you have maps downloaded? |
| 03:03.49 | brian_ | yay it downloads all the way to here except it doesnt show my position |
| 03:04.07 | Flinx | it should give you Coordinates. |
| 03:04.46 | brian_ | are the dependencies included in the download ? |
| 03:04.59 | brian_ | i go outside |
| 03:05.03 | brian_ | proly it |
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| 03:13.14 | Flinx | *nods* |
| 03:13.26 | Flinx | it will also take a minute or two to sync up |
| 03:13.29 | brian_ | took about 12 minuits tff |
| 03:13.42 | Flinx | 12? |
| 03:13.47 | Flinx | weird |
| 03:14.14 | brian_ | maybe 10 |
| 03:14.23 | Flinx | that still seems like a long time. |
| 03:14.39 | Flinx | although mine seems to have taken a while at first. |
| 03:18.00 | Flinx | is there a way to download the Wiki to my PC? |
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| 03:18.14 | Flinx | and I mean w/o resorting to something like HTTrack? |
| 03:22.39 | SUNWjoejaxx | lol |
| 03:22.54 | Flinx | what? |
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| 03:22.58 | SUNWjoejaxx | :P |
| 03:22.59 | Flinx | I want to spell check it :p |
| 03:23.04 | Pyrasi | hi all |
| 03:23.06 | SUNWjoejaxx | Pyrasi: i tested that image |
| 03:23.08 | SUNWjoejaxx | it is great |
| 03:23.15 | Pyrasi | Glad you like it |
| 03:23.28 | Pyrasi | all props goto Raster though...im just the messenger ;) |
| 03:23.37 | AntonTakk | any of you use the gpe apps on fso? or at all? opinions? |
| 03:23.46 | AntonTakk | which image? |
| 03:23.59 | SUNWjoejaxx | Pyrasi: yeah raster and i were discussing it earlier |
| 03:24.11 | SUNWjoejaxx | AntonTakk: a custom image raster made that is 2008.8+dev |
| 03:24.12 | Pyrasi | raster made a build off the latest ASU tree a few days ago with a few of his changes mixed in |
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| 03:24.42 | AntonTakk | Pyrasi: all ilume stuff, or? |
| 03:24.47 | Pyrasi | did he mention anything about any other changes he has made recently? |
| 03:25.06 | Pyrasi | yea.....he changed it to use a modified illume keyboard |
| 03:25.19 | Pyrasi | which is really nice |
| 03:25.37 | SUNWjoejaxx | Pyrasi: no he did not |
| 03:26.20 | Pyrasi | It works great for me....ive really only got 2 complaints.....but i think they are kernel problems |
| 03:26.45 | Pyrasi | (suspend makes bluetooth unuseable and makes the sd card change mounting locations) |
| 03:26.55 | Pyrasi | but other than that...it works great. |
| 03:27.11 | Pyrasi | http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ if you want to try it |
| 03:27.37 | Flinx | is it experimental and possibly dangerous? |
| 03:27.50 | brian_ | he wants it |
| 03:28.03 | Flinx | only if it's dangerous ;) |
| 03:29.39 | SUNWjoejaxx | Pyrasi: send/receive calls/sms works for me, and calling the phone while in suspend wakes it up |
| 03:29.42 | SUNWjoejaxx | it is great |
| 03:29.47 | Pyrasi | SUN, when you talked to Raster, did he say anything about not wanting it spread around much? cause I'll stop telling people if the site has limited bandwidth and such |
| 03:29.57 | Pyrasi | Flinx: it works fine for me |
| 03:30.07 | SUNWjoejaxx | Pyrasi: no he did not say that |
| 03:30.26 | Flinx | heh... |
| 03:30.55 | Flinx | I might be able to mirror it. I'll have to check my bandwidth though |
| 03:31.00 | SUNWjoejaxx | i have only told people who have asked :P which are two up until now |
| 03:31.16 | brian_ | :) |
| 03:32.00 | Pyrasi | lol |
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| 03:34.50 | Pyrasi | oops...i just kill -9'd the wrong psid....hmm...hope i didnt end something important |
| 03:34.55 | Pyrasi | oh well |
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| 03:35.21 | Pyrasi | a stray bullet just flew through my linux box and killed some unsuspecting process |
| 03:36.46 | AntonTakk | Wakeups-from-idle per second : 783.6 < from powertop on fso |
| 03:37.25 | AntonTakk | seems the sdio host controller is the single largest offender (about 2x the next highest source) |
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| 03:39.05 | mmaestri | hi all |
| 03:39.41 | Flinx | Hello mmaestri |
| 03:39.50 | AntonTakk | hi |
| 03:40.13 | mmaestri | anything new? |
| 03:40.45 | mmaestri | it's been a few hours since i've been checking the channel...:p |
| 03:42.12 | Flinx | lol |
| 03:42.20 | SUNWjoejaxx | lol |
| 03:42.22 | AntonTakk | hrm, etk and python-etk installed, but it can't initialize the ecors x engine |
| 03:42.32 | Flinx | I feel like I need soemthing to do.. |
| 03:45.11 | mmaestri | which image are you using right now? |
| 03:45.46 | AntonTakk | fso-testing build by i forget who from 8/17 |
| 03:47.03 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03roh * r4598 10/trunk/feeds/community-repository/file-index.txt: - add size in byte and md5sum to the whitelist |
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| 03:48.44 | AntonTakk | etk test works thou |
| 03:49.37 | mmaestri | AntonTakk: how do you put fso in standby? |
| 03:50.40 | AntonTakk | hold power for like 2 seconds and release |
| 03:52.35 | AntonTakk | heh, it just crashed on resume - i wouldn't recommend using it :) |
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| 03:55.42 | tunys | zedstar: helloes? |
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| 03:58.29 | mmaestri | AntonTakk: mine doesn't go to sleep |
| 03:59.09 | AntonTakk | mmaestri: yeah, that part seems a bit unreliable too - i just keep my cable with me since i work in it :) |
| 03:59.28 | AntonTakk | and a charged spare battery - just in case |
| 03:59.53 | tunys | it has gyros in it, try rocking it to sleep :) |
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| 04:01.41 | mmaestri | tunys: funny |
| 04:01.42 | Pyrasi | oh neat....Raster's image even stops bringing up the on screen keyboard if you have an external bluetooth one connected |
| 04:01.47 | Pyrasi | =o |
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| 04:07.35 | mikef187_ | hello all ---- new to IRC |
| 04:08.30 | mikef187_ | I am interested in purchasing a freerunner, I love to hack on new stuff, it looks fun. |
| 04:09.23 | mikef187_ | Anyone have any suggestions to where I can get one at the lowest price? |
| 04:10.14 | cjb | ebay? |
| 04:10.23 | mikef187_ | HAHA yes I looked there |
| 04:10.33 | mikef187_ | only 1 and it is like 400 |
| 04:10.49 | cjb | ok, so the price is basically constant |
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| 04:11.22 | mikef187_ | I see, it is a lot to spend on a phone, would I be able to use it as my daily cell? |
| 04:11.23 | cjb | if you don't want to pay that much, wait another moth or two for there to be several on ebay |
| 04:12.01 | tunys | Hmmm... |
| 04:12.07 | mikef187_ | Thank you cjb.. I also notice there are no neo1973s on ebay |
| 04:12.31 | tunys | mikef187_: Koolu still has some FreeRunners in stock |
| 04:12.47 | mikef187_ | Thank you.. They seem very popular |
| 04:13.00 | AntonTakk | mikef187_: i use it as my daily cell, have been with various images for a while now |
| 04:13.19 | mikef187_ | Is the freerunner friendly with an Ubuntu desktop |
| 04:13.30 | cjb | I use it as my daily cell, but I also don't like cellphones very much |
| 04:13.31 | tunys | well it's a mass storage device |
| 04:13.32 | cjb | sure |
| 04:13.33 | Pyras1 | I'm typing this on my freerunner! |
| 04:13.40 | cjb | tunys: it is? |
| 04:13.41 | tunys | mikef187_: it mounts as like a thumbdrive |
| 04:13.42 | AntonTakk | mikef187_: atm i believe it hates them all equally :) |
| 04:13.44 | tunys | isn't it? |
| 04:13.44 | cjb | tunys: huh, I'd never noticed that |
| 04:13.49 | tunys | oh, then I lie |
| 04:13.51 | mikef187_ | Pyrasl NICE! |
| 04:13.54 | cjb | I didn't notice any mass storage |
| 04:13.57 | cjb | just usb-serial |
| 04:14.02 | tunys | I lie then |
| 04:14.03 | mmaestri | cjb: me neither |
| 04:14.04 | cjb | and of course usbnet |
| 04:14.08 | cjb | you can scp things to it |
| 04:14.09 | tunys | I don't own one, I just assumed that |
| 04:14.15 | tunys | mikef187_: okay, forget that |
| 04:14.22 | tunys | mikef187_: do you know how to use SSH? |
| 04:14.27 | mmaestri | tunys: you can ssh & scp it |
| 04:14.31 | mikef187_ | Absolutly |
| 04:14.33 | mikef187_ | ssh yes |
| 04:14.34 | tunys | mikef187_: then yes |
| 04:14.39 | mmaestri | but no mass storage, at least yet |
| 04:14.41 | Pyras1 | Ive got a bluetooth keyboard connected and the screen turned sideways via gestures and connected to a wifi network and am using pidgin! |
| 04:14.50 | tunys | mmaestri: I'm a dumbhead :P |
| 04:14.51 | AntonTakk | mikef187_: but after usb net config you can use gvfs or kioslaves to copy tiles to/from it via ssh |
| 04:14.52 | mikef187_ | I'm sold |
| 04:14.55 | cjb | Pyras1: neat :) |
| 04:14.57 | Pyras1 | xD |
| 04:14.59 | cjb | Pyras1: which bt keyboard? |
| 04:15.06 | Pyras1 | iGo |
| 04:15.14 | Pyras1 | its real nice =o |
| 04:15.14 | tunys | mikef187_: I should collect commission for that one :D |
| 04:15.22 | cjb | wow, looks expensive |
| 04:15.36 | mikef187_ | This is very interesting. What about syncing contacts or similar like traditional PDAs? |
| 04:15.37 | Pyras1 | $ep |
| 04:15.48 | Pyras1 | $30 |
| 04:15.54 | SpeedEvil | rsync! |
| 04:15.55 | cjb | mikef187_: don't think that's supported yet, it takes in contacts from the SIM card |
| 04:16.01 | SpeedEvil | It's the only syncing solution you'll ever need. |
| 04:16.02 | AntonTakk | mikef187_: export them as vcards, then there are various methods to import, dependant on image |
| 04:16.06 | cjb | Pyras1: $30? where from? |
| 04:16.12 | mmaestri | zhone keeps saying that it has no dbus |
| 04:16.22 | Pyras1 | ebay |
| 04:16.23 | AntonTakk | mmaestri: forst boot after flash? |
| 04:16.27 | mmaestri | nope |
| 04:16.28 | Pyras1 | =) |
| 04:16.34 | cjb | oh, I didn't think of ebay |
| 04:16.35 | cjb | cool |
| 04:16.39 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 04:16.46 | AntonTakk | mmaestri: reboot anyways? ;) |
| 04:17.02 | mmaestri | AntonTakk: actually, don't remember when it started |
| 04:17.14 | mikef187_ | Ok so it is a slightly manual syncing action. |
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| 04:17.26 | mikef187_ | What about calendaring, does it have an app for it? |
| 04:17.42 | mmaestri | i just know that right now it doesn't show a dbus connection. reboot doesn't help much. |
| 04:17.46 | AntonTakk | mikef187_: yes the wiki has it right - the hardware is ready, the software is not |
| 04:17.47 | SpeedEvil | mikef187_: if you're asking these sorts of questions, it's not the phone for you. |
| 04:18.12 | AntonTakk | mikef187_: several callendar apps, again, dependant on image, nothing like outlook thou |
| 04:18.19 | prjktdtnt | has anyone developed a qemu set for gta02? I would like to play with the 2008.8 software but it only works for the FR which I haven't been able to emulate in QEMU yet |
| 04:18.45 | mikef187_ | I don't use MS products at all. I am a Linux server engineer |
| 04:18.56 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | DO NOT USE buildhost.openmoko.org TO UPGRADE 2008.8 IT WILL NEVER EVER WORK |Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. |http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | Software status - NOT a stable or usable phone yet. | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
| 04:18.58 | AntonTakk | mikef187_: ok, then nothing like evolution ;) |
| 04:19.07 | mikef187_ | haha ok |
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| 04:19.54 | rwhitby | If you need to be convinced by people here to buy it, then you shouldn't buy it. |
| 04:20.08 | mikef187_ | I'm already sold |
| 04:20.19 | mikef187_ | I'm getting more software info on it |
| 04:20.25 | AntonTakk | mikef187_: it is very much not a consumer ready product |
| 04:20.30 | SpeedEvil | At the moment, it's a small linux box, with some broken phone apps on it :/ |
| 04:20.34 | mmaestri | frameworkd should be listed as a process, right? |
| 04:20.35 | AntonTakk | software-wise |
| 04:20.42 | rwhitby | Note that little of the functionality stated above works reliably, or out of the box. |
| 04:20.51 | mikef187_ | I would love to hack and play with it but I would need to use it as my daily driver, and thus would need some basic functionality |
| 04:21.13 | rwhitby | mikef187_: there are daily reports of people who are unable to use it as a basic phone |
| 04:21.40 | AntonTakk | mikef187_: ime it is usable as a daily phone with qtopia, old asu, and fso, but not all images, and there are 0 guarantees |
| 04:22.23 | mikef187_ | I'm with you, I read some reviews regarding the ASU and FSO .. seems like the FSO is the way to go for now correct? |
| 04:22.23 | rwhitby | that's also assuming your sim works ... |
| 04:22.37 | AntonTakk | oh, yeah - sim compatability :) |
| 04:22.55 | rwhitby | mikef187_: but it sounds like your enough of a hacker to get the phone working enough |
| 04:22.56 | mikef187_ | yeah? I have t-mobile and a Blackberry pearl |
| 04:22.57 | AntonTakk | thou i only had sim compat problems with 2007.2 |
| 04:23.26 | mikef187_ | Well I;m sure your like me and wont sleep until you break it and fix it |
| 04:24.13 | mikef187_ | Well, here are the basic functions I need... Make/take calls contacts and calendar |
| 04:24.20 | mikef187_ | Am I safe? |
| 04:24.23 | AntonTakk | rwhitby: can i make a suggestion? change the emotion build to optionally use mplayer libs, or get xinelib built :) |
| 04:24.52 | AntonTakk | mikef187_: ime yes, but don't expect calendar integration in the ui |
| 04:25.02 | AntonTakk | there are decent callendar apps thou |
| 04:25.33 | mikef187_ | Ok I got you.. |
| 04:25.40 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: why would you be suggesting those things to me? |
| 04:25.51 | mikef187_ | What would be the name of a calandering app, So I can check it out |
| 04:26.13 | AntonTakk | rwhitby: aren't you the one that maintains the fso-testing repos at shr.bearstech? |
| 04:26.31 | rwhitby | yep, but I don't maintain the individual packages which are built |
| 04:26.53 | AntonTakk | mikef187_: openmoko-calendar2 qtopia-x11-phone-callendar (or something) |
| 04:27.15 | AntonTakk | rwhitby: ah, so you just pull from cvs/subversion and build? |
| 04:27.21 | mmaestri | anyone can give me a hint on what's not working properly if i get no dbus on zhone? |
| 04:27.31 | AntonTakk | mmaestri: dbus ;) |
| 04:27.57 | mikef187_ | TY you guys are very helpful, I tried to IRC with the Blackberry developers... |
| 04:27.58 | mikef187_ | JK |
| 04:28.02 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: not even that. I configure a server to periodically run a Makefile which runs specific bitbake targets on specific git branches from specific git repositories. |
| 04:28.53 | rwhitby | if it's something that *I* need, I might also, quite independent of that role, be a developer that modifies or maintains a package in OpenEmbedded. But the two are not linked. |
| 04:29.15 | mmaestri | AntonTakk: yeah...i've noticed that... |
| 04:29.21 | AntonTakk | i see, so you can't add xinelib to the stuff your makefile builds? |
| 04:29.50 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: if it exists already as a package in OpenEmbedded, and it builds without errors, then I can certainly do that. |
| 04:30.28 | rwhitby | But I'm not going to go in and debug it if it doesn't build, or add it if it doesn't exist, unless it's something that scratches an itch that I personally have. |
| 04:30.29 | mmaestri | no dbus...anyone...? |
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| 04:31.01 | AntonTakk | mmaestri: never had that problem except a couple seconds at boot |
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| 04:32.21 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: have a look in the packages directories under http://git.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=tree for what already exists in OE. If you request something from there, I can test if it builds. If it builds, I can add it to task-openmoko-feeds.bb which the autobuilder builds regularly. |
| 04:33.00 | rwhitby | 'xinelib' does not exist as a package name. |
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| 04:33.12 | AntonTakk | rwhitby: ok, let me see if I can make gstreamer work first thou, no sense in you building something else if i just don't have plugins installed :) |
| 04:34.41 | mikef187_ | One last question guys, I text like a fiend, is the tap kayboard hard to use while driving? |
| 04:34.45 | pjz | rwhitby: got vim and git added in there? |
| 04:34.59 | rwhitby | pjz: yep |
| 04:35.16 | rwhitby | they should have hit the feeds about 18 hours ago |
| 04:35.17 | pjz | rwhitby: sweet! How about svn? |
| 04:35.39 | AntonTakk | mikef187_: it's hard to use while sitting down :) |
| 04:35.39 | pjz | (mostly for git-svn) |
| 04:36.01 | AntonTakk | mikef187_: but mostly due to it's size |
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| 04:36.09 | rwhitby | pjz: http://git.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=blob;f=packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb;h=c76f733f9b9446af25ee5dcd076291c47e561532;hb=HEAD is the current list - those packages and all their dependencies are built |
| 04:36.23 | mikef187_ | I see, does the landscape mode help this? |
| 04:37.05 | AntonTakk | it might, if switching to landscape was reliable, and doesn't make the glamo driver choke |
| 04:37.41 | AntonTakk | mikef187_: also, the cursor calibration is messed up in landscape |
| 04:37.51 | AntonTakk | (again, this is all ime) |
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| 04:38.31 | mikef187_ | So these sound like problems that could be worked out at some point.. kind of in alpha/beta stages here. |
| 04:38.51 | rivalarriva1 | quick question - how does one bring 2008.8 out of suspend? So far, I've only been able to get it to shutdown... |
| 04:39.00 | AntonTakk | yeah, like i said - the hardware works, the software is questionable |
| 04:39.04 | mikef187_ | You think it will become a good platform on this hardware rev? |
| 04:39.41 | AntonTakk | mikef187_: yeah, the software is being written with the intention of not being hardware specific, so when the software is ready, it will be fine |
| 04:40.21 | mikef187_ | Thank you AntonTakk for all your help |
| 04:40.23 | AntonTakk | mikef187_: if you are having doubts, and need to rely on your phone 100%, don't get the freerunner (yet) |
| 04:40.58 | mikef187_ | Well .... I'm a glutten,,, I'm running 64bit linux on my dual core wifi laptop |
| 04:41.28 | mikef187_ | I'll be in here more after I scrape together 400 bones |
| 04:43.20 | Kagee | My freerunner is finally within country limits :) |
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| 04:44.59 | rivalarriva1 | Grr... This is annoying. Press "power" to bring 2008.8 out of standby. But, there is a short delay from the time you press and it actually comes out. And, if you hold power for more than about 1 second, it shuts down. |
| 04:45.38 | rivalarriva1 | BUt, I'm liking the interface a lot more... |
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| 04:47.04 | LuYu | does anybody here have significant experience with openmokos web browsers? |
| 04:47.36 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: 'libxine' seems to build |
| 04:47.45 | AntonTakk | cool |
| 04:48.09 | AntonTakk | gstreamer works with the right plugins, but it is slow :) |
| 04:48.34 | Pyrasi | LuYu, minimo works well for me |
| 04:49.21 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: where's the wiki page which is going to tell people how to use this new libxine package? |
| 04:49.25 | LuYu | well, that was my first question: how does one force minimo to constrain the text to the screen size in minimo |
| 04:49.55 | AntonTakk | rwhitby: it's a backend for emotion, user does not use it directly |
| 04:50.15 | AntonTakk | rwhitby: and enlightenment's api's are well documented on enlightenment.org |
| 04:50.21 | rwhitby | is it used automatically, or do they need to configure emotion? |
| 04:50.43 | AntonTakk | emotion tries to use it by default |
| 04:51.07 | AntonTakk | at least in your image i am running |
| 04:51.07 | rwhitby | good enough. it should be in the feeds within 6 hours. |
| 04:54.25 | rwhitby | pjz: unfortunately, apr-util fails to build |
| 04:55.05 | rwhitby | /home/shr/fso-dev/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/apr-util-1.2.7-r3/apr-util-1.2.7/configure: li |
| 04:55.05 | rwhitby | ne 1711: syntax error near unexpected token `config.nice' |
| 04:58.03 | pjz | rwhitby: :( |
| 04:58.36 | rwhitby | pjz: feel free to debug :-) |
| 04:59.04 | pjz | rwhitby: eep! no thanks! |
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| 05:04.24 | AntonTakk | rwhitby: now, just to be sure - will the libxine stuff be installed in the build env when emotion is building? |
| 05:04.53 | LuYu | does the systray ever work when the screen orientation is swapped? |
| 05:05.19 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: only if the emotion package explicitly depends on it. |
| 05:06.15 | AntonTakk | and if it did it would have already been pulled in, wouldn't it? |
| 05:06.20 | rwhitby | doesn't even know which package in OE builds emotion |
| 05:06.26 | rwhitby | yes |
| 05:06.44 | AntonTakk | crap....people have to mess with stuff |
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| 05:06.49 | rwhitby | I thought you said it automatically finds it at run-time? |
| 05:07.17 | AntonTakk | it does, if the build process isn't nerfed |
| 05:08.46 | AntonTakk | rwhitby: DISPLAY=:0.0 emotion_test <media file> results in: |
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| 05:09.12 | AntonTakk | module : xine \n Unable to load module xine \n Segmentation fault |
| 05:09.45 | AntonTakk | so emotion is already looking for that module, which _should_ only happen if it was available at build |
| 05:09.52 | rwhitby | emotion 0.1.0.042 |
| 05:09.57 | rwhitby | Configuration Options Summary: |
| 05:10.02 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.07 | AntonTakk | crap |
| 05:10.09 | AntonTakk | :-\ |
| 05:10.16 | Pyrasi | http://www.bufferunderflow.com/?entry=6 If anyone wants to see a pic of a nice bluetooth keyboard with the moko.... |
| 05:11.14 | AntonTakk | so someone either specifically turned it off, or by not building it first, is configures it's self off |
| 05:12.03 | nullpuppy | Pyrasi: video is no longer available :( |
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| 05:13.15 | Pyrasi | I just uploaded it.....i think youtube is still processing it =/ |
| 05:13.20 | AntonTakk | rwhitby: let me guess, gstreamer was the only plugin marked "yes" ? |
| 05:13.32 | Pyrasi | its pretty crappy quality though....the pics probably do it more justice than the vid |
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| 05:14.01 | nullpuppy | Pyrasi: ah, alright. |
| 05:14.04 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: Gstreamer, Gstreamer plugins, Gstreamer CDDA |
| 05:14.11 | AntonTakk | figures |
| 05:14.29 | AntonTakk | goes to see if he can find out who maintains that package for oe |
| 05:14.36 | rwhitby | EXTRA_OECONF = "--disable-xine --enable-gstreamer" |
| 05:14.42 | Kagee | Is this -> http://bildr.no/view/242147 <- the image that is supposed to come up when you boot 2007.7 using the automatich ubuntu guide? |
| 05:14.47 | nullpuppy | Pyrasi: how small is the keyboard when its stowed away? |
| 05:15.06 | rwhitby | http://git.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=history;f=packages/efl1/emotion_cvs.bb;h=960d10ad311f486f4bc2b20d183ce303423e8bc3;hb=HEAD |
| 05:15.35 | Pyrasi | about half the size you see there |
| 05:15.36 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: ^^ mickey |
| 05:15.47 | Pyrasi | the keys are full size though...so its easy to type with |
| 05:16.05 | Pyrasi | and it has a holder on the back to hold the phone up so you can see |
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| 05:16.19 | nullpuppy | hmm, alright. |
| 05:16.26 | nullpuppy | how loud is it? |
| 05:16.26 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: comment in the recipe says "# we no longer build the libxine backend, since the gstreamer backend seems more promising" |
| 05:17.07 | AntonTakk | taking 5 seconds to start playing a 5 second mp3 is "promising"?.... heh |
| 05:18.32 | AntonTakk | even so, all it does is build installable modules, not like anyone is forced to use it |
| 05:18.34 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: how long does it take with libxine on the same device? |
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| 05:18.57 | rwhitby | petition mickey to change it, and then it will be rebuilt automatically |
| 05:19.23 | AntonTakk | rwhitby: if I knew a way to build libxine on my fr i would test, but on my 3ghz desktop there will be no real diference |
| 05:19.49 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: so rebuild emotion with MokoMakefile and test it ... |
| 05:20.08 | AntonTakk | is that still broken on x86_64 |
| 05:20.10 | AntonTakk | ? |
| 05:20.35 | rooly|away | so |
| 05:20.42 | rooly|away | is the FR suspend issue fixed yet? |
| 05:21.02 | AntonTakk | rooly|away: "the" there is only one ? ;) |
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| 05:21.24 | rooly|away | the one where the screen doesn't turn back on |
| 05:21.35 | rooly|away | because i may have found a remedy |
| 05:24.05 | rooly|away | so nobody is interested |
| 05:24.14 | Kagee | Is this -> http://bildr.no/view/242147 <- the image that's supposed to come up when you boot using the automatich ubuntu guide? |
| 05:24.14 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: shr.bearstech.com feeds are built on an x86_64 running Debian Lenny |
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| 05:24.40 | prjktdtnt | kagee: that is the qtopia image |
| 05:25.06 | Kagee | that's what i thought |
| 05:25.28 | AntonTakk | rwhitby: ok, thanks, mind if I add a fedora section to the required packages section on the wiki page once i figure them all out? |
| 05:25.36 | Kagee | but i followed this guide to the letter: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu |
| 05:25.36 | prjktdtnt | kagee: pull the 2007.2 image down from buildhost and save the jffs2, u-boot-*.bin and the uImage-*.bin into build/qemu and flash-qemu-local |
| 05:25.49 | rooly|away | i guess nobody is interested |
| 05:25.53 | prjktdtnt | kagee: i had the same problem |
| 05:26.24 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: that type of information is welcome |
| 05:27.09 | rwhitby | rooly|away: the best place to announce it would be in the existing bug report, attaching a patch |
| 05:27.21 | rooly|away | rwhitby: is this known: doing "echo 1 >> /sys/power/state" allows for mostly consistent resume from suspend |
| 05:27.39 | rwhitby | rooly|away: I have no idea. My GTA02 doesn't work. |
| 05:27.47 | rooly|away | battery? |
| 05:27.47 | Kagee | prjktdtnt: I guess these (http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ ) are two of the files. what about theu-boot-*.bin ? |
| 05:28.07 | rooly|away | would someone who's had their freerunner turned on for a good amount of time try it? |
| 05:28.09 | rooly|away | om2008.8 |
| 05:28.36 | prjktdtnt | kagee: you have to make sure to pull the ones for the 1973 and not freerunner as qemu doesn't emulate gta02 yet |
| 05:28.45 | rooly|away | i get consistent results if my fr is passed that early post-boot stage |
| 05:28.52 | prjktdtnt | kagee: most of them will end ing -om-gta01.bin |
| 05:28.57 | prjktdtnt | end in* |
| 05:28.58 | Kagee | ok... |
| 05:29.26 | rooly|away | rwhitby: a brick or a battery |
| 05:29.57 | rwhitby | rooly|away: hardware failure |
| 05:30.06 | rooly|away | so a brick |
| 05:30.37 | rwhitby | no, it sometimes powers up, usually after I open up the main shielding can on the PCB, but not always |
| 05:30.58 | rooly|away | oic |
| 05:32.10 | rooly|away | i'm not an electrical engineer |
| 05:32.11 | rooly|away | can't help |
| 05:32.54 | rwhitby | I am, and neither can I :-) |
| 05:33.05 | rooly|away | hahaha, ouch |
| 05:33.11 | rooly|away | well, if you get a chance |
| 05:33.34 | rooly|away | just echo 1 > /sys/power/state |
| 05:33.45 | rooly|away | seems to allow for clean resumes |
| 05:33.54 | rooly|away | don't have enough data to support it yet |
| 05:35.05 | raster | Pyrasi: aye :) it does. kbd support is pretty complete |
| 05:36.04 | rwhitby | raster: ever thought of a keyboard alternative that automatically goes landscape with huge keys (like the thumb mode of the nokia n800 on-screen keyboard)? can this be done by the illume keyboard and a configuration file? |
| 05:36.13 | roh | rwhitby are you subscribed to the community-repo ml? |
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| 05:36.29 | Pyrasi | Hey raster, do you mind if I post a link you your image on the mailing lists? |
| 05:36.45 | raster | rwhitby: right now the kbd will scale to fit landscape |
| 05:36.48 | raster | and "work" |
| 05:36.57 | raster | it doesnt have a special landscape mode tho |
| 05:37.03 | raster | Pyrasi: if u want to :) |
| 05:37.20 | Pyrasi | cool....its by far the most useable I've seen yet |
| 05:37.51 | roh | rwhitby the scripts now to size and md5 checks and bail/send error mail when somebody tampers with the files.. also it now uses ssl and hard cert checks everywhere |
| 05:38.02 | Pyrasi | the fact that the on screen keyboard disappears when you have an external one supprised me =) nice work btw! |
| 05:38.46 | raster | Pyrasi: its closer to what illume+e should be |
| 05:38.52 | raster | but still far from it |
| 05:40.20 | rooly|away | would anyone like to test my possible resume fix? |
| 05:40.27 | rwhitby | roh: I am now. Good to see my ranting yesterday has had the effect of closing one of the threat vectors :-) |
| 05:41.00 | rooly|away | which is? the whole making sure consumers know it's not a consumer phone? |
| 05:41.46 | raster | rooly|away: right now.. me.. no :) |
| 05:41.56 | rooly|away | damn |
| 05:42.11 | rooly|away | it's only 3 actions |
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| 05:42.16 | raster | what is it meant to fix? |
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| 05:42.57 | rooly|away | om2008.8's not turning on the screen when resuming from suspend |
| 05:43.15 | raster | ok |
| 05:43.17 | raster | i can try |
| 05:43.26 | raster | got a kernel image? |
| 05:43.28 | rooly|away | just get a terminal, any terminal connection |
| 05:43.43 | roh | rwhitby well., threat vectors.. if i would want to root us, i would start developoping oe, gain trust, and slip some harmless looking change into oe and wait for om to merge that change into org.openmoko.dev and runs it in buildhost |
| 05:43.50 | rooly|away | echo 1 > /sys/power/state |
| 05:44.00 | rooly|away | make sure you're phone is working smoothly |
| 05:44.08 | rooly|away | IE, the dialer app is running at normal speed |
| 05:44.09 | rwhitby | roh: Doh! you've uncovered my nefarious plans ... |
| 05:44.43 | roh | rwhitby but yeah.. of course youre right.. but i guess there are zillions of other ways to shoot a cat with only a sledgehammer and a pigeon at hand |
| 05:45.02 | rwhitby | looks at the shr web logs to determine the size of his freerunner botnet |
| 05:45.15 | rooly|away | not mine! |
| 05:45.48 | rwhitby | most people don't know that FSO stands for FreeRunner Stays Owned |
| 05:45.56 | roh | ;) |
| 05:46.00 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 05:47.42 | rwhitby | ok, time to see if I can submit my nmea.py changes to framework via git on the phone ... |
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| 05:48.36 | AntonTakk | rwhitby: i don't see this in the wiki, but after the setup completes, how would I go about rebuilding just one package (like emotion) with libxine support? |
| 05:48.40 | raster | rooly|away: still waiting for the rest of your "fix" |
| 05:48.41 | raster | :) |
| 05:48.42 | rooly|away | any luck raster |
| 05:48.51 | rooly|away | oh, that's it |
| 05:49.05 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: edit the .bb file, then make rebuild-package-emotion |
| 05:49.16 | rooly|away | (add it to /etc/init.d to make it work at boot) |
| 05:49.29 | AntonTakk | ok, thanks |
| 05:50.29 | rooly|away | raster: any luck? |
| 05:50.35 | rooly|away | step one, use the command |
| 05:50.39 | raster | not.. sure what that will do |
| 05:50.42 | rooly|away | step two, press the power button |
| 05:50.47 | rooly|away | step three, press the power button |
| 05:51.02 | rooly|away | it may or may not work. it works for me however |
| 05:51.04 | rwhitby | watches perl get installed on the gta01 as a dependency of git ... |
| 05:52.09 | rooly|away | is happily enjoying working resumes |
| 05:52.23 | raster | well for me wakup after suspend randomly doesnt work |
| 05:52.26 | raster | so not sure this helps |
| 05:52.38 | rooly|away | wakeup for me plain old doesn't work |
| 05:52.43 | raster | but suspend.reusme worked |
| 05:52.44 | raster | screen on |
| 05:53.05 | rooly|away | your phone has been running long enough to idle the processor, right? |
| 05:53.08 | raster | but do it a second time |
| 05:53.10 | raster | and resume is broken |
| 05:53.20 | raster | and yes |
| 05:53.25 | raster | its been on long enough |
| 05:53.38 | rooly|away | i usually have to wait 30 minutes |
| 05:53.42 | rooly|away | don't know why |
| 05:53.56 | rooly|away | before any qtopia apps work at full speed |
| 05:54.04 | rwhitby | Doh! - ran out of jffs2 space. Time to put fso-testing on the SD card ... |
| 05:54.13 | raster | noit sure that does anything |
| 05:54.21 | AntonTakk | rwhitby: this is going to be downloading stuff for a while, isn't it? |
| 05:54.34 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: absolutely |
| 05:54.47 | rooly|away | raster: yeah, i noticed last night that i succesfully resumed for the first time |
| 05:54.52 | rooly|away | so i went over everything i did |
| 05:54.57 | AntonTakk | even 2007.2 stuff even thou i changed the make file for fso? |
| 05:55.08 | rwhitby | yup |
| 05:55.11 | rooly|away | which included messing with backlight, vibrator, led's, and the power/state |
| 05:55.15 | AntonTakk | ok, just wanted to make sure |
| 05:55.34 | rooly|away | and this one seemed to allow me to succesfully resume |
| 05:55.39 | rooly|away | multiple times |
| 05:55.41 | AntonTakk | guess it's time to lay in bed and wait for the 32 oz of 4x stronger than normal tea to wear off :) |
| 05:56.03 | rooly|away | so raster, still no luck after the 2nd suspend? |
| 05:56.14 | raster | nup |
| 05:56.16 | raster | dead |
| 05:56.19 | raster | i'm rebooting now |
| 05:56.21 | rooly|away | can you ssh into it? |
| 05:56.27 | raster | nnot now |
| 05:56.28 | raster | booting |
| 05:56.35 | rooly|away | i found out something |
| 05:56.43 | rooly|away | the resume is actually sucesful |
| 05:56.58 | rooly|away | the screen, however, refuses to turn on |
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| 05:57.14 | AntonTakk | it would be nice if there was a way to build packages right on the fr, save having to do all this cross-compiling and whatnot |
| 05:57.26 | rooly|away | AntonTakk: ...gcc? |
| 05:57.34 | raster | have u tried echoing values to /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/backlight/pcf50633-bl/bl_power |
| 05:57.35 | raster | ? |
| 05:57.42 | AntonTakk | rooly|away: i mean and end up with ipk files |
| 05:57.46 | raster | and brightness in that dir too? |
| 05:57.49 | rooly|away | yes, raster |
| 05:57.55 | raster | and nothing happens? |
| 05:58.01 | rooly|away | it does |
| 05:58.04 | raster | echo 64 or 63 to brighness i think |
| 05:58.09 | rooly|away | 63 is max |
| 05:58.21 | rooly|away | that'll turn the screen back on |
| 05:58.22 | raster | that brings back the backlight? |
| 05:58.25 | raster | ok |
| 05:58.26 | rooly|away | works for me |
| 05:58.34 | raster | looks like ompower is hitting some resume race condition |
| 05:58.45 | raster | it does that for you on resume |
| 05:58.46 | AntonTakk | also download source packages via opkg |
| 05:58.51 | raster | but sometimes it fails |
| 05:58.55 | rooly|away | right |
| 05:59.10 | rooly|away | however, it seems to be succesful much more often after that echo |
| 05:59.11 | raster | the code is so simple - its pretty hard for me to see how it cvan fail |
| 05:59.15 | raster | run apm -s to suspend |
| 05:59.27 | raster | then when thats returned (on resume) bring backlight back |
| 06:00.00 | raster | all i can think of it that the kernel has a race where writes to the pmu's backlight styate fail until kernel has done something |
| 06:00.33 | rooly|away | i'm just tellin ya this because it works for me. |
| 06:00.45 | rooly|away | 5 times now |
| 06:00.47 | rooly|away | in a row |
| 06:01.15 | raster | for me its random |
| 06:01.22 | raster | so i cant say one way or another |
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| 06:02.59 | rooly|away | now, why do the qtopia apps take so very long to reach usable speeds? |
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| 06:05.43 | rooly|away | whatever |
| 06:05.45 | rooly|away | i'm dead tired |
| 06:05.51 | rooly|away | and i've got to be up at 4 am tomorrow |
| 06:05.54 | rooly|away | and it's midnight |
| 06:06.01 | rooly|away | and i'll be travelling all day |
| 06:06.24 | rooly|away | and from there i have to get a haircut and start packing so's that i can move into a new appartment the next day. |
| 06:06.48 | rooly|away | so g'night all |
| 06:07.03 | AntonTakk | rwhitby: and I need to build a complete image before i can rebuild a package, correct? |
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| 06:08.09 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: no |
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| 06:21.13 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster * r4599 10/developers/raster/ompower/power.c: race cond.. work around? |
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| 06:21.57 | erl_ | rwhitby: Thanks for your help building FSO yesterday. |
| 06:22.08 | rwhitby | erl_: did you get it built? |
| 06:22.13 | AntonTakk | ok, building, wonder how long this will take |
| 06:22.56 | AntonTakk | oh, it has to build the cross compilers and what-not |
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| 06:23.26 | AntonTakk | will take longer than i want to wait, night all |
| 06:24.03 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03tick * r4600 10/trunk/feeds/community-repository/file-index.txt: [multiverse] adding orrery 1.1 into multiverse |
| 06:24.24 | AntonTakk | rwhitby: if yer interested i'll let you know the speed difference as soon as i test tomorrow |
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| 06:35.40 | erl_ | rwhitby: yes, but I haven't tried installing it yet. |
| 06:36.20 | erl_ | What is the status of SMS on FSO? |
| 06:36.38 | rwhitby | dunno |
| 06:37.31 | erl_ | When are things moved from testing to unstable for FSO? I guess I should be running testing if I want to develop... |
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| 06:41.17 | Richlv | openmoko.com claims that "...Qtopia to the Neo Freerunner1973 phone. If you want a consumer ready software stack you should download this." |
| 06:41.30 | Richlv | does this mean that neo with qtopia is a fully working device as a phone ? |
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| 06:50.02 | Richlv | ah, qtopia has no gps support |
| 06:50.12 | Richlv | that kinda slightly negates usefulness for me :) |
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| 07:13.01 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:15.21 | lindi- | effbiai: i have at least received sms with fso-frameworkd 0.2.0-git20080805-5 |
| 07:15.27 | lindi- | oh, erl_ parted |
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| 07:21.12 | yang2 | Installing and Using Debian on an OpenMoko FreeRunner http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
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| 07:28.30 | mikef187 | yang2: Have you done this? |
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| 07:42.06 | malik1972 | ich have a matchbox-session file in /usr/bin, but my modifications dont work, eg for a desktop image |
| 07:42.09 | malik1972 | matchbox-desktop --bg img-centered:/media/card/Documents/Image_Files/placeinparadise.png & |
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| 07:50.36 | yang2 | mikef187: nope, i just saw link |
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| 08:05.38 | jopk | hi |
| 08:06.23 | jopk | which directory is the applcation directory? |
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| 08:16.30 | mbuf | anything is required for projects.openmoko.org project commit mailing list to be activated to trigger commits to the mailing list? |
| 08:22.56 | lpotter | qtopia has no gps _yet_, besides there are 3rd party gps applications |
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| 08:31.46 | leinirAWAY | lpotter: might i suggest taking a look at OpenCityMapper if you've not already? :) |
| 08:35.07 | lpotter | I have looked at it, just not had time to sucessfully compile it :) |
| 08:36.12 | leinirAWAY | *nods* It's Stecchino's students' work :) |
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| 08:36.37 | jopk | did anyone get rana working? |
| 08:37.05 | Richlv | lpotter, ah, so other gps apps would work without problems on top of qtopia ? |
| 08:37.19 | polz | is SMS send/receive supposed to work with the FSO yet ? |
| 08:37.26 | Richlv | Your search - OpenCityMapper - did not match any documents. |
| 08:37.44 | Richlv | 10:15 <lindi-> effbiai: i have at least received sms with fso-frameworkd 0.2.0-git20080805-5 |
| 08:37.45 | lpotter | Richlv: as long as they are Qtopia apps. or commandline |
| 08:38.01 | lpotter | opencitymap |
| 08:38.25 | Richlv | lpotter, hmm, so something like tangogps wouldn't ? |
| 08:38.34 | lpotter | maybe on ASU |
| 08:38.58 | Richlv | well, it runs quite definitely on OM2008.8 |
| 08:39.12 | Richlv | but as i understand, that's not yet quite usable as a rock solid phone ;) |
| 08:39.13 | lpotter | http://code.google.com/p/opencitymap/ |
| 08:39.18 | Dave | Lpotter! |
| 08:39.27 | Dave | eyes leinir suspiciously |
| 08:40.56 | Zorkman | llo dave! |
| 08:44.34 | Dave | \o/ |
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| 08:50.02 | ieatlint | well, i hacked my NAS and found a back door :) |
| 08:50.29 | Dave | Lint! |
| 08:50.33 | ieatlint | hey dave |
| 08:50.48 | Dave | Still on a bus? :p |
| 08:51.55 | ieatlint | hah, no |
| 08:52.20 | ieatlint | i'm at home cracking passwords for a device i own |
| 08:53.32 | Dave | Hmm, I guess your hands probably don't hurt then :P |
| 08:53.53 | Dave | you testing the securitay of your portable devices? :p |
| 08:54.37 | ieatlint | no, my NAS... i hacked it by violating the warranty |
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| 08:55.21 | dbmoodb | ieatlint: "void" ? |
| 08:55.22 | Zorkman | anybody tried raster's image? |
| 08:55.24 | Zorkman | http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ |
| 08:55.25 | dbmoodb | really i got a free upgrade |
| 08:56.06 | ieatlint | well, basically i created a fake firmware update that turned on a telnet daemon and set the root password to my liking |
| 08:56.13 | ieatlint | (it's linux based) |
| 08:56.39 | Dave | kinky hot |
| 08:56.41 | ieatlint | then i went snooping... found a hidden directory in the http root that has a php script to turn on the telnet daemon |
| 08:56.54 | Dave | what is this on? |
| 08:57.06 | ieatlint | but with password protection... so i'm cracking the password for that, and the default root password |
| 08:57.11 | ieatlint | hammer myshare |
| 08:57.28 | Dave | Is this on a freerunner? |
| 08:57.37 | Dave | I didn't know they had php scripts |
| 08:57.39 | Dave | o_O |
| 08:57.41 | ieatlint | no, it's a NAS -- network attached storage device |
| 08:57.54 | Dave | OH |
| 08:57.56 | Dave | haw :P |
| 08:58.00 | Dave | yeah, heehee |
| 08:58.02 | Dave | Have a good time :D |
| 08:58.18 | Dave | plus why would you want to hack [into] it? just for fun? |
| 08:58.29 | ieatlint | lots of reasons :P |
| 08:58.43 | ieatlint | customising it... i could install my own linux distro on it, for instance |
| 08:58.45 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
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| 08:58.59 | Dave | I'm sure it's not a security risk though |
| 08:59.13 | ieatlint | installing my own linux distro on it? |
| 09:00.16 | Dave | no |
| 09:00.23 | Dave | just the fact you were able to do what you did |
| 09:00.54 | ieatlint | oh, what i did isn't... but what i found is |
| 09:01.08 | Dave | :D |
| 09:01.14 | ieatlint | once i finish cracking these 2 passwords, i could get a root console on any hammer myshare NAS |
| 09:01.15 | Dave | hook your freerunner up to it |
| 09:04.08 | ieatlint | one password down.. |
| 09:05.07 | lpotter | try rootme. thats popular |
| 09:06.47 | ieatlint | the one in a htpasswd file was simple... took like 20min brute force, "sysadmin" ... the system root password is not simple |
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| 09:07.18 | ieatlint | i've done dictionary attacks, then started brute force... midway through 8 chars now |
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| 09:09.59 | Dave | ieatlint, you're so cool. |
| 09:12.30 | ieatlint | hah, right |
| 09:12.50 | Dave | :P |
| 09:13.00 | lpotter | I'm so cool cause I cracked my freerunner without a password |
| 09:13.06 | Dave | :) |
| 09:13.23 | ieatlint | lpotter, put instructions on the wiki! |
| 09:14.05 | Dave | ROFL |
| 09:14.27 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 09:14.38 | Dave | Lpotter, so when is 4.3.4 set to be released? :p |
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| 09:37.26 | lpotter | 4.3.4? you mean 4.3.2 |
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| 09:51.45 | methril | morning |
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| 10:30.33 | KenSentMe | Does anyone know if its possible to download the whole map of the netherlands (or a city), upload it to the freerunner and have tangogps (running on 2008.8) use it when offline? |
| 10:34.47 | malik1972 | KenSentMe: if you have an internet connection on your neo (usb/wlan) its quiete easy, go to tangogps config or settings, activate auto upload, go back to maps, click and download the area |
| 10:35.02 | KenSentMe | malik1972, ok, will try that |
| 10:35.21 | KenSentMe | I was wondering if it was possible to put the whole map on the neo at once |
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| 10:41.42 | malik1972 | KenSentMe: it downloads the maps in different scales, you can try to put in an image netherlands.map and mount/umount it properly |
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| 10:48.53 | richie23 | hello all - i have problems installing a self-made kernel ipkg to my freerunner - even with -force-downgrade opkg tries to install the newest version from repository... any hints? |
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| 10:56.14 | richie23 | i am using stock 2007.2 |
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| 11:04.05 | Dave | Lpotter, no, I mean 4.3.4 |
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| 11:15.39 | hossi | trying to flash my neo, but when I rung ./dfu-until -l find to usb devices ? |
| 11:16.20 | hossi | *two |
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| 11:17.38 | VDVsx | hossi, You probably have other dfu device, like bluetooth for example |
| 11:17.54 | mosez | is somebody here who have got running gentoo on the freerunner? |
| 11:18.30 | hossi | VDVsx, I have bluethooth on my sony vaio, but I don't think it uses usb? |
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| 11:18.54 | VDVsx | hossi, turn it off and try again, trust me |
| 11:19.17 | mosez | vdvsx: try lsusb... i can see my bluetooth chip ;) |
| 11:19.32 | mosez | it is on the usb |
| 11:19.45 | VDVsx | mosez, yap i know |
| 11:20.39 | VDVsx | hossi, but you can also tell to dfu-util the device you want to flash, I dunno the command, but it should be find in the wiki |
| 11:20.46 | mosez | aehm i meant hossi =) |
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| 11:29.07 | Dave | blah |
| 11:29.31 | hossi | VDVsx, it worked after I turned of the bluetooth |
| 11:31.02 | VDVsx | hossi, fine :) |
| 11:33.01 | Dave | ROFLDATE |
| 11:33.02 | hossi | hmm where do I find a release of the uboot? |
| 11:33.05 | bumbl | davi |
| 11:33.10 | Dave | Aug 19 12:31 BST |
| 11:33.14 | Dave | Bullshit Standard Time? |
| 11:33.16 | Dave | huhu |
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| 11:33.41 | Dave | Dear openmoko, please don't fuck my time over every time there is an update. |
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| 11:35.50 | Dave | Kevs |
| 11:36.25 | Kev_ | hi |
| 11:36.39 | Dave | lollerdeutschen |
| 11:36.57 | mikef187 | Anyone tried installing debian yet? |
| 11:37.01 | Dave | yes |
| 11:37.05 | mikef187 | and? |
| 11:37.08 | Dave | It's getting better and better! |
| 11:37.25 | mikef187 | better than openmoko's OSes? |
| 11:37.29 | Dave | Not as of yet |
| 11:37.33 | Dave | depends on who you ask though :p |
| 11:37.35 | mikef187 | and speed? |
| 11:37.36 | Dave | and depends on your uses |
| 11:37.41 | Dave | It's alright |
| 11:37.53 | Dave | "Better" is purely subjective. |
| 11:37.54 | mikef187 | I am a Linux administrator |
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| 11:38.14 | Dave | Good for you. |
| 11:38.22 | mikef187 | I will use my phone to hack I mean admin linux servers |
| 11:38.35 | Dave | If you want a working phone, then I'd say no, but if you want a decent mobile platform to play around with for fun, then yes. |
| 11:38.40 | Dave | heh |
| 11:38.44 | mikef187 | nice |
| 11:38.46 | Dave | then yes it may eventually be what you want :) |
| 11:38.49 | mikef187 | good info.... |
| 11:38.50 | Dave | It's pretty slick |
| 11:39.03 | Dave | but things are rapidly being developed and tested for it |
| 11:39.05 | mikef187 | where does the debian dist fail compared to the factory load? |
| 11:39.17 | Dave | as there are many users who are eager to get deb running well on the phone |
| 11:39.24 | mikef187 | It is very exciting |
| 11:39.24 | Dave | fail? |
| 11:39.25 | yang2 | mikef187: hehe you got totally happy about the debian port:) |
| 11:39.27 | Dave | Yes, it is! |
| 11:39.32 | Dave | probably :P |
| 11:39.35 | Dave | that was rather recent too |
| 11:39.36 | mikef187 | Uh yeah |
| 11:39.43 | mikef187 | hahah I can't sleep now |
| 11:40.10 | mikef187 | I need to sell my car to get this phone now |
| 11:40.32 | yang2 | mikef187: oh, is it worth it? |
| 11:40.44 | mikef187 | Were you able to make calls in Deb? |
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| 11:40.52 | mikef187 | yang2: Yes |
| 11:41.20 | mikef187 | I'll be the coolest nerd at the bus stop |
| 11:41.28 | yang2 | mikef187: btw. you can also get a cheap motorola ezx phone (it also runs openmoko, but doesn't support calls yet) |
| 11:41.48 | rwhitby | erl_: things usually move from unstable to testing, not the other way around ... |
| 11:42.01 | mikef187 | yang2: wow.... Yeah IU need calls |
| 11:42.27 | rwhitby | ieatlint: which NAS did you hack? |
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| 11:42.40 | rwhitby | does a bit of stuff with nas devices - nslu2-linux.org |
| 11:42.42 | yang2 | mikef187: they are supposed to work shortly |
| 11:42.43 | mikef187 | yang2: I have anHP laptop that runs Deb/Qemu-openmoko that wont makes calls haha |
| 11:43.14 | yang2 | mikef187: the motorola phones are selling for 30 usd on ebay |
| 11:43.38 | mikef187 | yang2: Really.....? Interesting |
| 11:43.52 | mikef187 | I'll only have to skip one tank of gas for that |
| 11:44.00 | yang2 | mikef187: most of the linux functionality you can allready have , like using mp3 and video player calendars, schedulers etc. |
| 11:44.22 | yang2 | mikef187: look for Motorola A780 or A910 (looks better) |
| 11:44.40 | yang2 | mikef187: www.openezx.org is the project name |
| 11:44.49 | mikef187 | yang2: I want a good web-browser like firefox etc.. |
| 11:44.56 | mikef187 | I'll check that out now |
| 11:45.03 | yang2 | yeah it has a web browser, but its a tiny screen |
| 11:45.29 | mikef187 | Well if I'm going to edit images in GIMO I need a big screen !! |
| 11:45.31 | mikef187 | jk |
| 11:45.38 | mikef187 | GIMP* |
| 11:45.51 | Dave | teh gimp r teh suck |
| 11:46.22 | mikef187 | HAHAH what he said |
| 11:46.32 | Dave | ;p |
| 11:46.57 | Dave | rofl at mikef for the bus stop thing |
| 11:47.17 | mikef187 | Once I walk in with a phone running debian.... I'll be head dog in my IT dept. |
| 11:47.23 | Dave | Anyhow, rwhitby, did you see lint's nas hacking from last night? :P |
| 11:47.29 | Dave | apparently some have major security flaws |
| 11:47.49 | Dave | mikef, I hope that means something... |
| 11:48.07 | rwhitby | Dave: just about all of them have a way to get in if you're on the lan side |
| 11:48.20 | rwhitby | very few have exploits from the wan |
| 11:48.22 | mikef187 | Not really... but it gets the chicks.... |
| 11:49.00 | Dave | rwhitby, apparently this one does! |
| 11:49.41 | rwhitby | no, it's a single ethernet port NAS device. the exploit is on the lan side. it's not a firewall router. |
| 11:49.51 | Dave | oh |
| 11:49.59 | Dave | yours anyway :p |
| 11:50.01 | rwhitby | just about all nas devices have similar hidden telnet enable pages or such |
| 11:50.08 | Dave | aha |
| 11:50.11 | Dave | interesting |
| 11:50.15 | Dave | mine never had anything like that |
| 11:50.21 | Dave | then again, I made most of mine |
| 11:50.22 | rwhitby | see www.nas-central.org (which I help run) for details |
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| 11:50.56 | Dave | hoi Nederlands \o/ |
| 11:51.15 | Dave | rwhitby, what other exciting accomplishments have you of late? :) |
| 11:51.29 | Zorkman | edistar: dutch wikipedia has been mokopediafied, it's only 469.92MB |
| 11:51.43 | mikef187 | After I put together 400 bones for this phone I'll start an ##freerunner-debian channel |
| 11:51.45 | Dave | o_o |
| 11:51.48 | rwhitby | Dave: read my boring blog if you really want to know |
| 11:52.09 | rwhitby | mikef187: why two ##'s ? |
| 11:52.09 | Dave | Ooh, goody, and just where can I find that? ;) |
| 11:52.21 | Dave | rwhitby, because he's that leet. |
| 11:52.25 | Tanuva | mikef187: I'd instantly join |
| 11:52.45 | Dave | rwhitby, read freenode's lame channel policy change of 2005. |
| 11:52.45 | Zorkman | tere going to release an ipk when they have done the en.wiki |
| 11:52.46 | rwhitby | Dave: www, then my nick, then .net |
| 11:52.52 | Dave | heh |
| 11:52.54 | Tanuva | *fg* |
| 11:52.59 | mikef187 | I'll start it on freenode and I have to put 2 pounds to follow the rules on this IRC |
| 11:53.21 | Dave | hah yeah |
| 11:53.32 | rwhitby | is confused - I start new channels with one # all the time ... |
| 11:53.35 | Tanuva | mikef187: huh? |
| 11:53.50 | bumbl | rwhitby: ## chans are offical afaik |
| 11:53.51 | Tanuva | rwhitby: I'm currently in #freerunner-debian, noone there, so no need for a second #... |
| 11:54.15 | rwhitby | bumbl: what does "official" mean on IRC? |
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| 11:54.44 | leroutier | Hello |
| 11:54.49 | mikef187 | Let me grab the site were i read that |
| 11:54.51 | mikef187 | BRB |
| 11:54.52 | Tanuva | why does this chan need to be official? |
| 11:55.08 | rwhitby | so this current channel is not "official"? |
| 11:55.18 | matholio_ | is there a gypsy package for debian build ? |
| 11:55.20 | bumbl | they are somewhat freenode related or sponsored; but thats only a guess as the ## chans seem either important or freenode related |
| 11:55.27 | matholio_ | or, how easy is it to make it work : http://folks.o-hand.com/iain/gypsy/ |
| 11:55.29 | Dave | rwhitby, when was the last time you posted something? :) |
| 11:55.38 | Dave | rwhitby, correct. |
| 11:55.43 | rwhitby | looks at his chan list of 11 channels on freenode, and none have ## |
| 11:55.46 | Dave | Registered project with freenode. |
| 11:55.53 | Dave | or you're a rebel :p |
| 11:56.07 | Dave | Now that Rob's gone, you have less to worry about. |
| 11:56.11 | Dave | Unless you fear Zombies. |
| 11:56.41 | rwhitby | has a registered project with Freenode, with three associated channels, none of which have ## ... |
| 11:57.02 | Dave | Right. |
| 11:57.07 | Dave | Why would you? |
| 11:57.11 | Dave | In any case, it's all silliness. |
| 11:57.47 | mikef187 | My understanding is "offical" packages have a single pound and User initiated channels have 2 of course now I can't find the site I read that on |
| 11:58.02 | Dave | freenode.net :P |
| 11:58.08 | Dave | Mikef, you are pretty much correct. |
| 11:58.27 | Dave | It's lame, stop looking into it. The more you read up on it, the more in freenode you will be disappointed. |
| 11:58.28 | mikef187 | aol.com keyword freenode....... jk |
| 11:58.41 | Tanuva | omg^^ |
| 11:58.45 | Dave | nah, A0L3Rs prefer not to partee her.e |
| 12:00.18 | Tanuva | I once installed some aol-thingy on my grandma's notebook. it screwed up all the networking >.< |
| 12:00.29 | mikef187 | well I think I'm doing ok for my first day in IRC |
| 12:00.36 | Dave | :D |
| 12:00.43 | Dave | hey, could be worse, right? |
| 12:00.55 | Dave | You could be mIRC'ing over A0L. |
| 12:00.55 | mikef187 | what DOS |
| 12:01.04 | Tanuva | sure it could. my dad finally fixed it since I hadn't the knowledge yet to do it ... :D |
| 12:01.29 | mikef187 | I didn't know wordstar had an IRC module |
| 12:01.40 | Tanuva | whats wordstar? |
| 12:01.47 | mikef187 | exactly |
| 12:01.55 | |Marco| | hey, is qte-mt-static a very large lib or somthing ? I'm trying to build some stuff with momomakefile and on speciffic packages it stay's on the pack for ages... |
| 12:02.04 | leroutier | Tanuva, the best word processor in town |
| 12:02.13 | leroutier | Tanuva, if your OS is CP/M |
| 12:02.16 | Tanuva | is googling |
| 12:02.37 | mikef187 | I wont go into how I know that's true |
| 12:02.59 | rwhitby | |Marco|: I think there is something wrong with the OE git fetcher. Interrupt and restart it and it might work better. Or just wait :-) |
| 12:03.04 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoFEM <--neat |
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| 12:03.11 | Dave | rwhitby, it does that sometimes :( |
| 12:03.17 | rwhitby | Wordstar is the best word processor ever. Period. |
| 12:03.26 | mikef187 | hands down |
| 12:03.26 | Dave | but eventually seems to smooth out and run alright. |
| 12:03.28 | Dave | haha |
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| 12:03.39 | Dave | rwhitby, not a lotus123 fan? :P |
| 12:03.41 | Dave | wp |
| 12:03.43 | rwhitby | mikef187: but only when running on a Z80 |
| 12:03.59 | mikef187 | quatroPRO |
| 12:04.09 | |Marco| | rwhitby: well, this is the n'th time that pack's being crunched |
| 12:04.21 | Tanuva | didn't even exist when wordstar was released.. |
| 12:04.25 | Dave | :) |
| 12:04.31 | Dave | heh |
| 12:04.31 | |Marco| | buuut... http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-issues/2007-May/002690.html <-- is'nt helping... |
| 12:04.38 | Dave | I'm sure none of us did. |
| 12:04.42 | mikef187 | <-- did exist hmmm... |
| 12:05.10 | hossi | VDVsx, downloaded u-boot but it doesn't vame as a .bin, so after I have upacked the .tar to a folder which command do I use to build a .bin of it? |
| 12:05.11 | |Marco| | my existance is uncertain |
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| 12:07.51 | Dave | openmokos overwhelming |
| 12:09.17 | mikef187 | Well I'm out guys.... TTYL |
| 12:09.21 | Tanuva | should really debian-package his crappy mediaplayer for simpler dev work... |
| 12:09.25 | Tanuva | bye mikef187 |
| 12:09.26 | Dave | rwhitby, needs more megahurtz. |
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| 12:09.57 | Tanuva | will opkg also eat debs instead of my (non-existing) children? |
| 12:10.48 | Dave | OM NOM NOM NOM |
| 12:11.30 | Tanuva | damn, fso crashed and I didn't even notice it >.< |
| 12:11.35 | Tanuva | no, it didn't |
| 12:11.42 | CVirus | hehe |
| 12:11.42 | Tanuva | wtf is this poor cpu doing there?! |
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| 12:12.46 | Dave | Tanuva scared by the moko >:) |
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| 12:14.29 | Tanuva | mwaharrrharr... I'll just remove the battery, that will drive the devil out of it :] |
| 12:14.32 | Dave | ENGAGE! |
| 12:14.39 | Weiss | hossi: build instructions for U-boot are on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot |
| 12:15.17 | leroutier | did someone install matchbox-keyboard and lost POW/AUX menus since ? |
| 12:16.01 | rwhitby | Dave: apparently the last time I updated the blog was in march. I told you it was boring. |
| 12:16.04 | leroutier | looks like matchbox-keyboard hijacks all inputs and lets neod in the cold, never recieving POW/AUX presses anymore |
| 12:16.23 | rwhitby | hossi: do you really want to build u-boot yourself, or are you just looking for a binary to flash? |
| 12:16.41 | Dave | Rwhitby :( |
| 12:16.47 | |Marco| | leroutier: does it also snatch event2/3 ? |
| 12:17.25 | Dave | leroutier, I wish! |
| 12:17.27 | leroutier | Marco : I don't know to which input device it matches . accelerometers ? |
| 12:17.30 | Dave | Good riddance, and fuck neod! |
| 12:17.43 | |Marco| | leroutier: right.. |
| 12:18.06 | leroutier | Dave, well, I love beeing able to power off/on wifi/gsm/gps. so, this menu matters to me |
| 12:18.28 | |Marco| | hehehe, I'll check if it happened to me to.. |
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| 12:18.29 | |Marco| | 2 sec |
| 12:18.29 | leroutier | Marco : never got any data on them, but got a GTA02v5, known bug AFAIK |
| 12:18.37 | |Marco| | I hav just done a upgrade |
| 12:18.48 | Dave | Lerouter, it works fine. |
| 12:19.01 | leroutier | Dave, with keyboard applet added to matchbox session ? |
| 12:19.10 | Dave | You're just crazy. |
| 12:19.21 | Dave | It works fine |
| 12:19.50 | Tanuva | reinstalls debian... |
| 12:19.51 | leroutier | matchbox-panel-2 ... --end-applets ..., keyboard |
| 12:20.04 | leroutier | since then, never had any of the 2 side buttons to work |
| 12:20.04 | Dave | What are you whining about anyway? |
| 12:20.13 | Dave | then you did it wrong |
| 12:20.16 | |Marco| | leroutier: mine work to a length... power is fine, but aux is strange, it has to be in a transition between "pages" or somthing for it to react, even if the "alt/tab" function works as always... |
| 12:20.45 | leroutier | I'll try to add some debug to neod to see if it recieves anything |
| 12:20.46 | Dave | --end-applets keyboard,... |
| 12:20.51 | Dave | do that, it works fine! |
| 12:21.04 | leroutier | Dave, got to put it first, that's what you mean ? |
| 12:21.07 | Dave | Infoport, wake up |
| 12:21.10 | leroutier | got it as last applet |
| 12:21.13 | Dave | What's ken's email, I need to beat him. |
| 12:21.24 | Dave | leroutier, make it first? Is there a difference? |
| 12:21.31 | Dave | It would also seem unrelated. |
| 12:21.34 | leroutier | let me check |
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| 12:22.21 | leroutier | pannel loading order changer, X restarted |
| 12:22.27 | leroutier | trying now |
| 12:22.55 | leroutier | no menu when pressing POW |
| 12:23.07 | leroutier | it just shuts the device off if I press it too longly |
| 12:23.19 | leroutier | but no more menu |
| 12:23.37 | Dave | dude, there is some strange behavior I did notice though |
| 12:23.42 | Dave | hold it for maybe 3 sec |
| 12:23.43 | leroutier | I don't remember patching neod, but better recheck |
| 12:23.44 | Dave | then release |
| 12:23.59 | Dave | when I tried today it didn't come up until I released it. |
| 12:24.06 | Dave | but it works fine |
| 12:24.06 | leroutier | k, trying, thx |
| 12:24.16 | Dave | in terminal, out of terminal, with matchbox keyboard tray, or without :P |
| 12:24.33 | leroutier | first, booting as it shut it off |
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| 12:29.29 | Dave | uggh |
| 12:29.40 | Dave | Damn that elusive Kenyoung. |
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| 12:31.01 | leroutier | no menu either without the keyboard applet, its not the culprit |
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| 12:33.55 | leroutier | time to check if I am |
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| 12:35.24 | matholio_ | should I expect `mdbus -s org.freedesktop.Gypsy` to work on debian ? |
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| 12:52.04 | leroutier | I'd like a confirmation : event0 is AUX, 1 is TCHSCREEN, 2 and 3 are accel and 4 is POW, right ? |
| 12:54.06 | Dave | lerouter, no |
| 12:54.12 | Dave | Not on OM by default, anyway |
| 12:54.44 | balrog-kun | leroutier: you should never rely on anything like that, even if it happens to be correct |
| 12:55.19 | leroutier | balrog-kun, that's why every program on earth (and in my moko) opens all input devices I suppose |
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| 12:55.52 | Dave | balrogkun^^ |
| 12:56.12 | Dave | Kensentme -_- |
| 12:56.13 | leroutier | Dave, well, got data on 0 only when pressing AUX, and on 4 when pressing POW |
| 12:56.23 | Dave | hrm, okay |
| 12:56.24 | balrog-kun | leroutier: normally you would just look up the device in /sys/class/ipnut by name or something else and open only thre one you need |
| 12:56.25 | KenSentMe | Dave, ? |
| 12:56.31 | Dave | :\ |
| 12:56.36 | balrog-kun | hey Dave |
| 12:56.40 | Dave | wrong ken -_-; |
| 12:57.03 | Dave | het spijt me |
| 12:57.12 | KenSentMe | Dave, geen probleem |
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| 12:57.50 | Dave | :] |
| 12:59.26 | leroutier | hum, got both DBus input events from HAL & FreeSmartphone for both POW & AUX |
| 13:00.04 | Dave | FreeSmartPhone? |
| 13:00.06 | xeros | does anyone know what's the application on this screenshot?: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/b75a53f7233841754af27decf0c45577.png |
| 13:00.08 | hossi | how do I get into the terminal in 2008.2? |
| 13:00.21 | Dave | 2008.2? |
| 13:00.28 | Dave | 2007.2? |
| 13:00.49 | hossi | Om2008.2 |
| 13:00.49 | Dave | xeroes :) |
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| 13:03.42 | cekay | xeros, looks like xournal |
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| 13:04.53 | cekay | xeros, http://xournal.sourceforge.net/screenshot.png |
| 13:05.58 | mmaestri | xeros: xournal |
| 13:06.05 | Dave | h |
| 13:06.07 | Dave | heh |
| 13:06.58 | xeros | thanks cekay and mmaestri :-) |
| 13:07.56 | XorA | said that days ago :-D |
| 13:09.07 | Dave | Xora! |
| 13:09.28 | XorA | ~blame dave |
| 13:09.29 | apt | ACTION blames dave (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 13:10.02 | mmaestri | i'm having problems with dbus || with frameworkd || with zhone |
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| 13:10.33 | Dave | :D |
| 13:10.38 | Dave | don't forget php! ;D |
| 13:11.24 | xeros | thanks to you XorA, too (Aug 18 16:53:36 #openmoko <XorA> I see xournal |
| 13:11.40 | mmaestri | zhone keeps saying that it has no dbus |
| 13:11.53 | Dave | eh? |
| 13:11.56 | XorA | xeros: I was only kidding, didnt mean you to look back through history :-) |
| 13:12.07 | Dave | :D |
| 13:12.16 | xeros | :) |
| 13:12.26 | mmaestri | "my" zhone keeps saying that it has no dbus |
| 13:12.28 | Dave | Xora, any idea if there's a nice way such that opkg updates don't fuck with our clock? |
| 13:12.44 | leroutier | mmaestri, he just wants you to tell him where / how to find current session, by a env var for example |
| 13:12.45 | XorA | they fuck with the clock? |
| 13:12.48 | Dave | It's totally obnoxious. |
| 13:13.24 | Dave | Xora, whenever I opkg upgrade, it changes my clock time, timezone, and hwclock. It's extremely uncool. |
| 13:13.37 | Dave | I assume it's because ntp gets reinstalled/wiped or something... *shrugs* |
| 13:14.09 | mmaestri | leroutier: nice...can you give me some clue? like which env var should i use, and where to point it...? :p |
| 13:14.16 | XorA | Dave: please file a bug for that |
| 13:14.33 | XorA | Dave: I dont like the sound of that |
| 13:14.35 | Dave | Gladly :) |
| 13:14.39 | Dave | Yeah, it's really uncool. |
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| 13:14.52 | Dave | Especially since I spent about half an hour last night resyncing the time. |
| 13:15.09 | leroutier | mmaestri, grep dbus /tmp/x.log |
| 13:15.09 | leroutier | D-BUS per-session daemon address is: unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-vpGc6Me3YH,guid=b0491ee86b1ab907efa5803248aae19b |
| 13:15.11 | Dave | So it was a not so happy surprise this morning, when I opkg upgraded :D |
| 13:15.23 | leroutier | the value to pass should be the one starting at unix: |
| 13:15.48 | leroutier | try : DBUS_SESSION="unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-blablabla" |
| 13:15.57 | leroutier | try : DBUS_SESSION="unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-blablabla" your_prog |
| 13:16.37 | mmaestri | so i start zhone using it? |
| 13:16.47 | hossi | this is strange, i can run http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/setneo but I can't do an ordinary connection ssh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 13:17.36 | leroutier | mmaestri, you could always try |
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| 13:17.54 | leroutier | I 'love' neod code, it is so butifulllll |
| 13:18.34 | swc|666 | how does one power down the atheros card? |
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| 13:19.36 | Dave | Oh yeah, Xora, I think it'd be nice to have a shutdown screen. |
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| 13:20.10 | Dave | When I select Shutdown, my freerunner remains semi-usable for at least sixty seconds, with the touchscreen still responding to input, eventually it dies down, it's rather confusing. |
| 13:21.19 | Dave | leroutier, clearly, you must be joking. |
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| 13:21.27 | Dave | Neod is possibly one the most horribly coded pieces of crap :) |
| 13:21.31 | mmaestri | leroutier: something funny happens when a do grep dbus /tmp/x.log |
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| 13:22.00 | hossi | Dave, is there a shutdown buttom in om 2008 :s |
| 13:22.03 | mmaestri | it shows a htop screendump |
| 13:22.12 | dual | Can I run Pidgin, Kopete, etc on Freerunner? |
| 13:22.20 | Dave | pidgin, yes |
| 13:22.25 | Dave | works pretty well too |
| 13:22.30 | dual | That's nice to know |
| 13:22.30 | Dave | maybe swap would help though |
| 13:22.48 | dual | Does it run Flash? |
| 13:22.52 | leroutier | mmaestri, funny like 2M lines ? |
| 13:23.04 | dual | I mean Flash Player |
| 13:23.26 | Dave | flash? no |
| 13:23.29 | mmaestri | doing grep unix /tmp/x.log worked well |
| 13:23.32 | Dave | Who would want that crap, anyway? :D |
| 13:23.46 | dual | For streaming music like on Last.fm |
| 13:23.59 | Dave | use a mediaplayer |
| 13:24.03 | dual | Right |
| 13:24.04 | leroutier | mmaestri, I suppose your x.log is full of useless ** (matchbox-panel-2:1542): DEBUG: (unknown dbus message, ignoring) |
| 13:24.06 | leroutier | ? |
| 13:24.15 | Zero_Dogg | I'd guess gnash or such could be ported at some point |
| 13:24.16 | Dave | icecast or something :] |
| 13:24.24 | dual | Can I listen to mms streams, like mms://-stuff? |
| 13:24.37 | Dave | can mplayer? |
| 13:24.40 | Zero_Dogg | and for lastfm I believe there is a vagalume port being done |
| 13:24.57 | dual | I thinks so, Dave. Does Freerunner run mplayer? |
| 13:25.15 | Dave | yep |
| 13:25.21 | dual | Ah, great :) |
| 13:25.29 | hossi | how do I get into the terminal from om 2008? |
| 13:25.29 | Dave | video playback is only so-so though |
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| 13:25.35 | Dave | but music works fine |
| 13:25.47 | dual | Not going to use it for video, only web radio |
| 13:25.56 | dual | And chatting |
| 13:26.21 | Dave | heh |
| 13:26.22 | Dave | sure |
| 13:26.25 | dual | There's a WiFi network on my school, so I can be connected all day :) |
| 13:26.25 | Dave | pidgin, irssi, etc |
| 13:26.30 | Dave | heh |
| 13:26.40 | Dave | keyboard might hurt your hands if you plan on chatting all day |
| 13:26.43 | Dave | but it works :P |
| 13:27.10 | dual | Well, I've got a computer I can use to chat, so that might be the best solution :) |
| 13:27.21 | Dave | haha |
| 13:27.33 | dual | But when I'm not in the classroom, I can use my phone :) |
| 13:27.41 | Dave | ah |
| 13:27.42 | Dave | sure |
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| 13:28.12 | hossi | in settings -> wifi, It say unknown ? |
| 13:28.18 | dual | How long does tha battery last when WiFi is on? |
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| 13:29.35 | dual | Do you know, Dave? |
| 13:29.43 | Dave | The same as usual? |
| 13:29.52 | Dave | I don't know, 3-5hrs? |
| 13:29.57 | Dave | it's kind of crappy |
| 13:30.02 | dual | My SE p1i sucks battery with Wifi on |
| 13:30.11 | mmaestri | leroutier: no matchbox for me. i'm using fso |
| 13:30.25 | Dave | I always have wifi on and that's how long it lasts with my gps tests running too |
| 13:30.30 | Dave | usually about 4-5hrs |
| 13:30.33 | Dave | maybe an hour more |
| 13:30.34 | leroutier | mmaestri, ok, so what was the problem when doing the grep ? |
| 13:30.47 | leroutier | mmaestri, (with dbus, not unix) |
| 13:31.00 | dual | Is it about 3-5 hours without Wifi too, Dave? |
| 13:31.32 | torindel | dual: if you want more get high capacity nokia battery |
| 13:31.50 | dual | Do they fit, torindel? |
| 13:32.04 | torindel | dual: check wiki for which ones are compatible |
| 13:32.12 | dual | Ok, thanks |
| 13:32.24 | mmaestri | i scrolled up to see what happened, and it seems that it gives me the dbus line, and then it spits some htop screendumps |
| 13:32.35 | mmaestri | don't know where they came from |
| 13:33.00 | torindel | dual: and look for high capacity replacements since orginal bl-6c battery is about moko battery capacity |
| 13:33.49 | dual | Ok |
| 13:33.55 | leroutier | mmaestri, did it work finally (the env var to launch zhone) |
| 13:33.56 | leroutier | ? |
| 13:34.29 | Dave | eh? |
| 13:34.34 | mmaestri | i've exported the var, and started zhone from terminal |
| 13:34.41 | Dave | THE WAR!? |
| 13:34.41 | mmaestri | didn't worked |
| 13:34.45 | Dave | The war with openmoko!? |
| 13:35.09 | leroutier | k, sorry. thought it would stick to the wall |
| 13:35.19 | Tanuva | Dave: the war ON om! |
| 13:35.26 | Tanuva | we gonna be overkill'd |
| 13:35.33 | Tanuva | teh_orks r comin'! |
| 13:37.19 | Dave | :D |
| 13:37.21 | Dave | omg kekeke |
| 13:37.47 | mmaestri | leroutier: checking env i've found DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=xxxx |
| 13:38.03 | asciiforever | hossi: are you asking *why* the wifi says unknown? |
| 13:38.20 | hossi | asciiforever, yes |
| 13:38.28 | hossi | on settings |
| 13:38.52 | asciiforever | hossi: i don't know the nature of the problem, but i know what fixed it for me |
| 13:39.15 | asciiforever | hossi: you have to delete a file, i believe it is /etc/volatile.cache, and then reboot |
| 13:39.22 | Dave | omg zergrush! |
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| 13:39.45 | mmaestri | so i guess that this var is the correct one, and it's correctly setted |
| 13:39.56 | mmaestri | but it's not working |
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| 13:40.23 | jadams_ | is there a page on the wiki that would tell me, for instance, the most stable setup currently available for a neo? |
| 13:40.32 | jadams_ | failing that, is there anyone here that will? I've heard 2007.2 |
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| 13:41.05 | mmaestri | jadams_: define "most stable" first |
| 13:41.15 | jadams_ | mmaestri, usable as a phone |
| 13:41.18 | AntonTakk | jadams_: ime, fso, asu and qtopia would all be worth checking out |
| 13:41.19 | jadams_ | FSO is pretty good |
| 13:41.45 | jadams_ | I've run qtopia and hated it |
| 13:41.54 | jadams_ | fso was good but incomplete (and I wouldn't expect it to be) |
| 13:41.55 | AntonTakk | i use a recent testing build of fso as my daily phone |
| 13:41.59 | jadams_ | I'm about to try out debian with pkg-fso |
| 13:42.01 | mmaestri | as a phone, take the qtopia image. as a "glimpse of the future", take fso |
| 13:42.05 | hossi | asciiforever, thanks, will try it out |
| 13:42.11 | rwhitby | runs fso, cause it's the only distro that gave him commit privs ... |
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| 13:42.49 | AntonTakk | rwhitby: turns out xine in oe would been to be updated from 1.1.0 to 1.1.1 <grumbles> |
| 13:43.05 | AntonTakk | s/been/need/ |
| 13:43.06 | asciiforever | hossi: i did that yesterday, and i can connect to unprotected wifi at my office from settings -> wifi. have not tried wep or wpa yet. |
| 13:43.26 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: that doesn't sound too hard - have you tried building 1.1.1 ? |
| 13:43.37 | mmaestri | and the debian-fso looks promising, yet not having some apps from the moko stream is a turndown |
| 13:43.38 | leroutier | rwhitby, does a lot of people have commit access to 2007.2 repos ? |
| 13:43.47 | AntonTakk | rwhitby: not sure how to with oe, done it loads of times on my desktop thou |
| 13:44.04 | Dave | Hello friends :) |
| 13:44.16 | rwhitby | leroutier: only OM folks have 2007.2 commit privs. |
| 13:44.38 | Dave | yeah and some of them are naughty :P |
| 13:44.44 | rwhitby | fso is a community repo, so non-OM bona-fide developers can get commit privs based on a history of good patches. |
| 13:44.44 | leroutier | rwhitby, ok, so I have virtually no hope to have my patches checked in someday |
| 13:44.54 | rwhitby | same for OE |
| 13:45.09 | rwhitby | (community, with commit privs given based on history of contributions) |
| 13:45.11 | leroutier | looks like I'll have to learn python |
| 13:45.34 | rwhitby | leroutier: if you want to fix 2007.2 apps, join the shr project |
| 13:45.48 | hossi | asciiforever, after I have removed volatile.cache, do I have to reboot? |
| 13:45.56 | leroutier | the 2007.2+fso mix ? |
| 13:45.59 | rwhitby | yep |
| 13:46.02 | asciiforever | hossi: i think so |
| 13:46.17 | leroutier | I thought they just started |
| 13:46.25 | rwhitby | they did |
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| 13:46.37 | rwhitby | good time to join and make a difference |
| 13:46.49 | leroutier | ok, lets try to find their repo first |
| 13:47.02 | hossi | asciiforever, is their a way of reboot the neo using the gui? |
| 13:47.10 | hossi | *there |
| 13:47.23 | mmaestri | rwhitby: i'm having problems with dbus, can you help me somehow? |
| 13:47.25 | beni_ | thougt that 2007.2 is dead now that there is 2008.2 out? |
| 13:47.52 | asciiforever | hossi: not that i know of. just shutdown and start back up. |
| 13:48.09 | rwhitby | mmaestri: probably not, I know nothing about dbus |
| 13:48.13 | Dave | Anyone here played with that xournal thing? |
| 13:48.37 | mmaestri | Dave: i did. it's a nice app |
| 13:49.03 | Dave | maestri, did you prefix it? |
| 13:49.11 | Dave | or did you compile? |
| 13:49.21 | mmaestri | bitbake it |
| 13:49.25 | Dave | oh heh |
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| 13:50.35 | Dave | the install-binary script just takes a dump on your directory tree |
| 13:50.44 | Dave | clearly wasn't designed for om |
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| 13:51.49 | jonkristian | Where would I go if I wanted to request a software feature? |
| 13:52.23 | jadams_ | ok, so anyone on here running debian? I've yet to get usb networking to work with the phone running the 'known-good' debian image provided on the wiki |
| 13:52.26 | mmaestri | don't know any install-binary. i've just setted env && bitbake xournal. it worked just fine |
| 13:52.32 | jadams_ | well |
| 13:52.39 | jadams_ | nm, I bet debian has their own image now that they officially support it |
| 13:52.44 | Dave | Did someone make a package of xournal yet? |
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| 13:52.48 | mmaestri | jadams_: use the debian-fso |
| 13:52.49 | Dave | oh heh, I guess you did :D |
| 13:52.54 | Dave | if you baked it :P |
| 13:53.02 | jadams_ | mmaestri, that's what I want to use. Is there a filesystem I can just untar to get it? |
| 13:53.23 | mmaestri | Dave: you want it...? |
| 13:53.25 | hossi | asciiforever, it found med WLAN :) thanks |
| 13:53.33 | Dave | Sure! |
| 13:53.36 | asciiforever | hossi: welcome |
| 13:53.42 | Dave | let me just rm -rf /usr/local real quick |
| 13:53.45 | AntonTakk | what would be the best source to monitor for system events? battery, calls/sms/etc? |
| 13:53.47 | mmaestri | jadams_: use the install.sh |
| 13:53.55 | Dave | loll |
| 13:53.58 | Dave | ers |
| 13:54.22 | hossi | asciiforever, so if I want to coonect I just click on the name? |
| 13:54.42 | Dave | mmaestri please send me your xournal ;p |
| 13:54.58 | Dave | I want to draw cutely scribbled renditions of tux, too :P |
| 13:55.12 | mmaestri | jadams_: follow this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 13:55.21 | asciiforever | hossi: yeah, at least that worked for me. i haven't had time to play with it much, and the wifi at my office is set up in an awkward way, so i just verified the connection and stopped trying to use it. :P |
| 13:55.33 | mmaestri | Dave: wait a sec |
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| 13:57.13 | hossi | asciiforever, the keypad is strange, there is no delete or space, how do I solve that? |
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| 13:58.24 | asciiforever | hossi: if you're using the keyboard i think you're using, a stroke across the keyboard to the right means space, and a stroke to the left means backspace |
| 13:58.40 | beni_ | hossi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Keyboard |
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| 14:01.27 | Dave | Okedokey :) |
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| 14:02.03 | mmaestri | damn windows |
| 14:02.09 | Dave | harr |
| 14:02.36 | hossi | asciiforever and beni_ that is so high-tech |
| 14:03.20 | Zorkman | Anybody working on a trivia/quiz app for openmoko? |
| 14:03.27 | Zorkman | that would be nice |
| 14:03.56 | jadams_ | does 2008.8 support the neo yet? |
| 14:03.59 | Zorkman | never played brain training, but heard it is a great succes, maybe an improved version of that? |
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| 14:04.06 | jadams_ | Zorkman, that does sound nice |
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| 14:04.13 | Dave | jadams :D |
| 14:04.14 | jadams_ | Zorkman, first step would be picking a flashcard app and porting it |
| 14:04.16 | Dave | hahaha |
| 14:04.28 | Dave | mmaestri, package me! |
| 14:04.31 | Dave | [D:] |
| 14:04.32 | jadams_ | Dave, I hate being laughed at for my dumb questions :) |
| 14:04.37 | Dave | no no |
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| 14:04.40 | Dave | your comment was amazing |
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| 14:04.46 | mmaestri1 | http://uploads.mibbit.com/up/xuo1ErBB.ipk |
| 14:04.51 | Dave | hot |
| 14:04.56 | mmaestri1 | Dave: here it is |
| 14:05.06 | Zorkman | mmaestri1: what is it? |
| 14:05.10 | Dave | XOURNAL |
| 14:05.30 | mmaestri1 | yes |
| 14:05.31 | Dave | Is that 0.4.2.1? |
| 14:05.56 | mmaestri1 | 0.4.0.1 |
| 14:06.04 | Dave | oh :| |
| 14:06.08 | Dave | whatever :D |
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| 14:06.45 | Dave | go go gadget opkg! |
| 14:06.53 | mmaestri1 | it has a nice feature: export to pdf |
| 14:06.55 | Zorkman | lol |
| 14:08.35 | Dave | cool so I can export my crudely drawn sketches of tux and distribute them to you all in pdf form? :P |
| 14:08.49 | Dave | well, mmaestri1 sucks |
| 14:09.05 | Dave | all its libgnome dependencies cannot be settled, and don't exist in any repo |
| 14:09.13 | Dave | so oh well |
| 14:09.16 | mmaestri1 | i suck? |
| 14:09.28 | jonkristian | Don't know where to put software requests but I had this idea today which I wanted to share. It would be cool to sync each contacts photo, with his/hers profile photo on the net, for example from gravatar/flickr/youtube/facebook/ or whatever. a bit unuseful, but cool anyway:) |
| 14:09.44 | Dave | mmaestri1, no there should be an extra comma there. |
| 14:09.48 | Dave | but it does suck |
| 14:09.52 | mmaestri1 | ok |
| 14:09.57 | Dave | :( |
| 14:10.09 | mmaestri1 | i guess that i had all the libs already installed |
| 14:10.12 | Dave | I may as well just build it myself, but even I don't have the required libraries to build it, which is retarded |
| 14:10.15 | mmaestri1 | it worked for me |
| 14:10.26 | Dave | bitbake whore :( |
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| 14:11.31 | mmaestri1 | anyway, at least your dbus is working properly |
| 14:12.08 | Dave | heh |
| 14:12.10 | mmaestri1 | mine doesn't. or maybe zhone is the bitch |
| 14:12.18 | Dave | Give me your libs! *rawr* |
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| 14:13.37 | torindel | recompile qemu |
| 14:13.51 | leroutier | Dave, I now know why neod doesn't display any more menu for POW & AUX : their key code is now 22h & 23h (should be 74h & a9h) |
| 14:14.00 | Dave | Because it sucks ass? |
| 14:14.08 | Dave | rofl |
| 14:14.09 | leroutier | I still have to find why their mapping changed |
| 14:14.12 | Dave | lollerkeycodes |
| 14:14.19 | Dave | Because their software is crap? |
| 14:14.20 | Dave | :D |
| 14:14.27 | Dave | and buggy and leaky as a mofo |
| 14:14.30 | Dave | Enjoy! |
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| 14:14.47 | beni_ | Dave: what do you suggest? |
| 14:14.48 | Flinx | jonkristian: You could always try develeoping something like that yourself :D |
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| 14:15.05 | Dave | Flinx: ABORT ABORT! |
| 14:15.11 | Dave | beni: Abandon ship! |
| 14:15.16 | Flinx | Wait... what!? |
| 14:15.19 | Flinx | GAH!! |
| 14:15.29 | Dave | Jadams is hilarious |
| 14:15.46 | Dave | rwhitby: So, does 2008.8 support the freerunner? |
| 14:15.52 | Dave | yet :) |
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| 14:16.22 | rwhitby | Dave: why are you asking me? |
| 14:16.42 | Flinx | Dave: what build of 2008.8 are you talking about? I have it on mine... |
| 14:17.03 | leroutier | Dave, found the culprit : ME |
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| 14:17.42 | jonkristian | Flinx: :) I don't have the freerunner yet, won't get it 'til 15th september. But maybe. |
| 14:17.52 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 14:18.14 | Flinx | jonkristian: ahh I see... Waiting was the hardest part for me ;) |
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| 14:18.23 | Flinx | PBeck: hello |
| 14:18.26 | hossi | aah, think i crashed got up a windows saying "this is very bad" :S |
| 14:18.38 | PBeck | Flinx: :D |
| 14:18.45 | Flinx | hossi: what did you do 0.o |
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| 14:19.01 | asciiforever | hossi: did that happen when attempting to restart X, by any chance? |
| 14:19.03 | hossi | Flinx, pressed the remove button |
| 14:19.14 | hossi | asciiforever, no |
| 14:19.20 | hossi | the x was running |
| 14:19.25 | asciiforever | that's the only time i've ever seen it. just curious. |
| 14:19.58 | Dave | leroutier: HAHAHA |
| 14:20.04 | Dave | I can't say I'm surprised. :P |
| 14:20.13 | hossi | asciiforever, do you get kicked out often when you have ssh to your neo? |
| 14:20.14 | leroutier | Dave, I recompiled neod, which thought I was using NEOD_PLATFORM_FIC_NEO1973 => gta01 key mappings |
| 14:20.18 | Dave | What sort of naughtiness are you responsible for? :) |
| 14:20.24 | Dave | oh hurr |
| 14:20.25 | Dave | :P |
| 14:20.44 | asciiforever | hossi: no, but i always set suspend to 'off' before i ssh |
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| 14:21.25 | hossi | asciiforever, I have the phone on suspend |
| 14:21.41 | asciiforever | hossi: suspend is the only thing that's ever killed my ssh session... that and accidentally upgrading dropbear |
| 14:22.05 | SUNWjoejaxx | wish the phone would not suspend if it was plugged into usb |
| 14:22.23 | hossi | asciiforever, which dist are you running? |
| 14:22.37 | jonkristian | Flinx: yeah, the hardest part is, that i can't wait. |
| 14:22.49 | Openfree | hi, i encounter an error, when insert a kernel module "FATAL: Error inserting XXX", what's the cause |
| 14:23.34 | asciiforever | hossi: it's ASU... i can't give any specifics because it's an image that raster made some modifications to and shared last week |
| 14:23.46 | Openfree | seems this msg is not print out by printk |
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| 14:24.08 | hossi | asciiforever, I mean on you computer |
| 14:24.17 | asciiforever | ohhh, sorry |
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| 14:25.02 | asciiforever | hossi: usually i'm ssh'd from windows. when i'm using linux, it's kubuntu |
| 14:26.16 | Torikun | WE CAN CHARGE IN STANDBY MODE NOW! GOOD JOB DEVS! |
| 14:26.38 | Flinx | hossi: you need to switch OFF the suspend mode ;) |
| 14:26.48 | Flinx | hossi: that will disconnect your SSH |
| 14:27.19 | Flinx | Torikun: YAY!!!!! |
| 14:27.24 | AntonTakk | Torikun: if the system is suspended, how does it control the pmu? |
| 14:27.35 | Torikun | well... |
| 14:27.37 | Torikun | the light is on |
| 14:27.40 | Torikun | and phone is standby |
| 14:27.45 | hossi | Flinx, I have it switch off, but it feels arbitrary to connect with my ubuntu. Sometimes it works and sometimes not |
| 14:27.46 | Torikun | so it is a glitch or it works |
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| 14:28.18 | Flinx | hossi: weird.. I've got no issues connecting it to my Debian |
| 14:28.23 | Flinx | actually wait... |
| 14:28.38 | AntonTakk | led on != charging, that's what the software uses to indicate, but all that the red led being on really means is that the software has turned on the led and not turned it off |
| 14:28.40 | richie23 | hello all! at first thanks for all the help already given on wiki etc.! however, there is one simple thing i haven't found out yet: how can i start minimo (or another browser if you can recommend one) loading a page specified via command-line? it seems as if minimo is not capable of doing this :-( |
| 14:28.42 | Flinx | hossi: have you set up usb0 as static with hotplugging? |
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| 14:29.20 | hossi | Flinx, dunno, I run http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/setneo |
| 14:30.14 | Flinx | hossi: one second lemme find the wiki |
| 14:30.23 | hossi | Flinx, thanks |
| 14:30.35 | AntonTakk | Torikun: i thought that was the same reason the battery can't be charged w/o the phone being booted - no way to control the pmu untill then |
| 14:30.49 | Torikun | weird on why the light is on |
| 14:30.52 | Flinx | hossi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking#OS_or_Distro_Specific_.26_Automatic_Configuration |
| 14:31.11 | Flinx | I used the second script down from that link |
| 14:31.15 | AntonTakk | Torikun: disconnect the power and see if it goes out? |
| 14:31.23 | Flinx | that way every time I plug it in, the usb0 is configured ;) |
| 14:31.25 | Torikun | yup |
| 14:31.28 | Flinx | works really well on Debian |
| 14:31.31 | Torikun | and put it back in |
| 14:31.34 | Torikun | and it is chargeing |
| 14:31.40 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 14:31.48 | AntonTakk | maybe it really is working then |
| 14:31.57 | Torikun | this is latest image with latest uipdates |
| 14:32.05 | AntonTakk | perhaps they added pmu controll to uboot? |
| 14:32.17 | AntonTakk | Torikun: which latest image? |
| 14:32.18 | Flinx | Torikun: I need to set up SVN don't I :P |
| 14:32.27 | Torikun | 20080811 AntonTakk |
| 14:32.46 | AntonTakk | oh, bleh, i use fso |
| 14:35.44 | hossi | Flinx, so I'v added the second script, can I run ssh root@192.168.0.202 now? |
| 14:35.59 | Torikun | SSH WORKS IN STANDBY MODE! |
| 14:36.06 | AntonTakk | Torikun: did you flash a uboot when you flashed that? |
| 14:36.13 | hossi | or do I need to reboot the comp? |
| 14:36.19 | AntonTakk | o.O |
| 14:36.24 | AntonTakk | ... |
| 14:36.46 | cnwdup | How do I correctly install the boot loader for a linux on the micro sd card? I tried installing grub on the micro sd card but it's not working if I try to boot from it. |
| 14:36.49 | Torikun | nope |
| 14:36.56 | AntonTakk | are you sure you aren't confusing the screen being off with standby? |
| 14:37.06 | Torikun | AntonTakk: I did a opkg-upgrade and I have it suspend 10 seconds |
| 14:37.12 | Torikun | I have the latest packages |
| 14:37.21 | torindel | beh! |
| 14:37.29 | torindel | shakes fist at qemu |
| 14:37.40 | AntonTakk | Torikun: touch the screen |
| 14:37.43 | torindel | trying to get user mode working |
| 14:37.50 | Torikun | I have to push the button |
| 14:37.56 | AntonTakk | .... |
| 14:38.09 | AntonTakk | doesn't sound like it is actually suspending |
| 14:38.19 | Flinx | hossi: yes |
| 14:38.22 | Torikun | wait....toucngin ghe screen wakes it up |
| 14:38.28 | AntonTakk | :) |
| 14:38.39 | AntonTakk | you have it set to turn the screen off in 10 seconds |
| 14:38.46 | hossi | Flinx, need to reboot? |
| 14:38.57 | Flinx | hossi: shouldn't have to.. |
| 14:39.14 | Flinx | hossi: did you create the freerunner script as well? |
| 14:39.37 | hossi | Flinx, yes |
| 14:39.44 | hossi | should I run it anyway? |
| 14:40.00 | hossi | or just use the thing you pasted? |
| 14:40.49 | rwhitby | xournal builds for fso ... |
| 14:41.03 | AntonTakk | xournal? |
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| 14:41.39 | Flinx | hossi: Once you have the "# freerunner allow-hotplug usb0 .... " and the "/etc/network/freerunner" you should be able to just ssh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 14:42.09 | Flinx | I added the address to my hosts file so that i can just "ssh root@openmoko" ;) |
| 14:42.43 | mosez | flinx: and if you edit ~/.ssh/config you only need "ssh om" ;) |
| 14:42.46 | jadams_ | Flinx, I did the same, but @phone :) |
| 14:43.09 | Flinx | mosez: GASP!... thats not in the USB networking Wiki !!! :p |
| 14:43.21 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: Dave and mmaestri were discussing it about half an hour ago. it took that long to build it (lots of gnome deps) |
| 14:43.29 | Flinx | how dare they not tell me of an even shorter shortcut |
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| 14:43.34 | mosez | flinx: but on every page depending on configuration for ssh clients :P |
| 14:43.42 | AntonTakk | rwhitby: ok, but what does it do? :-p |
| 14:43.45 | Flinx | srlsy? |
| 14:44.06 | AntonTakk | also, using irssi over ssh, so i have no scroll back buffer |
| 14:44.07 | rwhitby | AntonTakk: first hit on google ... |
| 14:44.11 | Flinx | god... don't ever let me moderate the wiki.... I really -hate- how you have to cross-link everything >.< |
| 14:44.16 | AntonTakk | at least none I know how to use :) |
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| 14:44.54 | rwhitby | "Xournal is an application for notetaking, sketching, keeping a journal using a stylus." |
| 14:45.29 | cekay | the best feature is that you can annotate pdfs |
| 14:45.40 | mosez | flinx: http://nopaste.info/26856aaf76.html write this to ~/.ssh/config and you dont need the hosts entry =) |
| 14:47.34 | rwhitby | xournal should be in the fso-* feeds in an hour or so |
| 14:47.43 | Dave | :) |
| 14:47.50 | Flinx | mosez: that feels like cheating |
| 14:48.23 | Dave | :P |
| 14:48.30 | HauDyr | LOL fortune from slashdot: Any circuit design must contain at least one part which is obsolete, two parts which are unobtainable, and three parts which are still under development. |
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| 14:49.16 | Dave | :) |
| 14:49.30 | sevenhundred | woo, my phone boots normally again! |
| 14:49.39 | HauDyr | congrats |
| 14:49.57 | sevenhundred | (except instead of the splash it shows whatever was on the screen when I turned it off) |
| 14:50.12 | sevenhundred | but still, woo |
| 14:50.19 | Dave | yep |
| 14:50.20 | Dave | it does that |
| 14:50.24 | Dave | high-fives sevenhundred |
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| 14:50.45 | mosez | flinx: i like it =) |
| 14:50.50 | sevenhundred | ^^ |
| 14:51.01 | Torikun | AntonTakk: it must of been a glitch because no more charge on standby lol |
| 14:51.09 | HauDyr | sevenhundred, what dist are you using OM2008.8 or another one |
| 14:51.13 | Dave | :D |
| 14:51.21 | Flinx | hossi: how you doing? |
| 14:51.24 | Dave | Probably not |
| 14:51.28 | Torikun | hey dave |
| 14:51.28 | Dave | 2008.Fail |
| 14:51.31 | Dave | Torikun :p |
| 14:51.33 | sevenhundred | HauDyr: Qtopia |
| 14:51.40 | hossi | Flinx, whating for the neo to boot |
| 14:51.44 | hossi | *waiting |
| 14:51.52 | Dave | Torikun, you would have liked Jadams' comment from earlier... |
| 14:51.59 | Torikun | explain |
| 14:52.08 | Flinx | ah |
| 14:52.10 | sevenhundred | now, to replace the keyboard for the swedish one again |
| 14:52.37 | Dave | Torikun: <jadams_> does 2008.8 support the neo yet? |
| 14:52.38 | sevenhundred | and turn off prediction |
| 14:52.43 | Dave | I was like :D |
| 14:52.45 | Torikun | lmfao |
| 14:52.50 | Torikun | he has a valid point |
| 14:52.53 | Dave | It's SO accurate and hilarious. |
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| 14:52.54 | Dave | Exactly@ |
| 14:52.56 | jadams_ | ha |
| 14:53.01 | Dave | So I've gone and spammed the devs with that. |
| 14:53.02 | jadams_ | I was just asking a question that I thought made sense :) |
| 14:53.05 | Dave | I'm sure they'll appreciate it. |
| 14:53.11 | Dave | haw |
| 14:53.13 | jadams_ | I was an early adopter and I feel like I'm being screwed for it |
| 14:53.21 | Dave | Jadams, what country do you come from? :) |
| 14:53.26 | jadams_ | Dave, USA |
| 14:53.31 | Dave | heh |
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| 14:53.37 | Dave | Alright Johnny boy |
| 14:54.40 | rwhitby | jadams_: I'm using FSO on the gta01 |
| 14:55.26 | Flinx | so I guess neo is short for gta01 :p |
| 14:55.31 | rwhitby | since the only people with gta01 devices seem to be outside of OM, I doubt that om2008.x will support it any time soon, especially since OM devs are now starting to focus on GTA03 eval boards ... |
| 14:55.38 | Flinx | cause I thought that gta02 was the neo FreeRunner |
| 14:55.51 | jadams_ | rwhitby, I liked it fine, esp. for stability. I'm actually in progress at installing debian via the pkg-fso group's script...I already have it on SD, but without fso/zhone on it |
| 14:55.53 | SUNWjoejaxx | Flinx: they are all Neo's |
| 14:56.04 | jadams_ | yeah, that was my fault...I've adopted that incorrect nomenclature |
| 14:56.05 | mjr | some people say "neo" when they mean 1973 spesifically, but that's a misnomer |
| 14:56.15 | rwhitby | jadams_: you've been able to get pkg-fso running on gta01? |
| 14:56.18 | mjr | all Neo, all the time |
| 14:56.24 | jadams_ | rwhitby, not yet |
| 14:56.30 | jadams_ | rwhitby, I was assuming I would be able to though |
| 14:56.36 | jadams_ | rwhitby, faulty assumption? |
| 14:56.41 | Flinx | SUNWjoejaxx: my point exactly |
| 14:56.43 | rwhitby | I tried and failed early, but didn't give it too much effort. |
| 14:56.49 | jadams_ | I'll give it a run |
| 14:56.54 | jadams_ | I don't have anything on the flash right now |
| 14:56.57 | jadams_ | so first flashing with 2007.2 |
| 14:57.06 | jadams_ | rwhitby, is scaredycat's image good for the gta01? |
| 14:57.20 | jadams_ | rwhitby, FSO wasn't giving me good stability on SMS...worked sometimes, but I can't miss those at all |
| 14:57.41 | rwhitby | jadams_: I run http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ exclusively now, but I don't use it much as a phone so I can't talk to sms stability |
| 14:58.23 | rwhitby | I've been focusing on gta01 gllin->tango on fso |
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| 14:58.41 | jadams_ | rwhitby, I'll try that sucker out then |
| 14:58.50 | jadams_ | I've got nothing but time on this phone |
| 14:58.51 | rwhitby | and have been successful in getting that to work by rewriting the nmea parse |
| 14:58.56 | jadams_ | owned it for over a year and never used it as a phone |
| 14:58.59 | jadams_ | never really been able to |
| 14:59.06 | jadams_ | rwhitby, I want... |
| 14:59.08 | jadams_ | :) |
| 14:59.29 | Flinx | I think I broke Hossi's phone... |
| 14:59.44 | rwhitby | jadams_: it's the most recent commit in the fso framework repo |
| 15:00.30 | rwhitby | it'll be in the fso-unstable image by now, and should be in fso-testing next week when mickey_away cuts a new framework sane-srcrev |
| 15:00.40 | Dave | rwhitby: still got those dead gta01's? |
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| 15:00.45 | rwhitby | yep |
| 15:00.50 | Dave | heh :) |
| 15:01.00 | rwhitby | that's my spare parts cache ... |
| 15:01.07 | Dave | :) |
| 15:01.14 | rwhitby | everything should work except for the pmu chips |
| 15:01.18 | Dave | Good, you might be needing to do another harvest :) |
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| 15:02.06 | rwhitby | hits the sack |
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| 15:05.44 | Rupert_ | Hello all, I got my FR a few weeks ago and had gotten as far as connecting to it with USB Networking. Then I went on Holiday for two weeks and now back to it and USB networking no longer works:- "SIOCSIFADDR: No such device". At the time a few weeks ago I did an upgrade using ipkg and now the phone won't boot to the gui just a login screen so need to get a it networked to get some life into it. I'm using Ubuntu has anybody had similar proble |
| 15:05.44 | Rupert_ | ms. I'm still catchin' up on the mail list |
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| 15:10.47 | Dave | spam |
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| 15:12.20 | Flinx | heh |
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| 15:13.24 | Dave | xournal me! |
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| 15:16.57 | Flinx | moo? |
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| 15:17.08 | Dave | MOO |
| 15:17.26 | Dave | sends Flinx Zorkman Torikun SIGMOO2 |
| 15:17.31 | tsudot | when i try to run the qemu-nep1973/openmoko/download.sh script it gives me an error saying openmoko/env file not found. how can i correct this? |
| 15:18.43 | Flinx | what are you dending me Dave? |
| 15:18.59 | kd8ikt | slaps the bejesus out of gcwilson next trime he shows up |
| 15:19.07 | Dave | :DDD |
| 15:19.11 | Dave | I like the sound of that. |
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| 15:20.03 | Dave | kd8, how has he blasphemed? |
| 15:20.40 | mmaestri | Dave: i guess too much in && out to the channel |
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| 15:21.08 | Zorkman | where have you sent me Dave? :) |
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| 15:30.07 | hossi | my /etc/resolve.conf are empty evertime I reboot the phone? |
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| 15:32.40 | hossi | can't I set a nameserver permanent? |
| 15:33.30 | asciiforever | hossi: edit /etc/network/interfaces and add the line "up echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 > /etc/resolv.conf" after the gateway line under usb0 |
| 15:33.45 | asciiforever | hossi: that will help with having a nameserver when connected to usb, anyway |
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| 15:34.15 | asciiforever | hossi: that IP is for opendns, by the way... you can use the nameserver of your choice if you want |
| 15:34.27 | mmaestri | asciiforever: you type much faster than me. and this keyboard sux big time :p |
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| 15:35.04 | asciiforever | mmaestri: sorry about your sucky keyboard. :( |
| 15:35.38 | mmaestri | that's ok, it's not mine. i'm at work :p |
| 15:36.18 | asciiforever | mmaestri: fair enough. you should make friends with some higher-ups and demand better equipment. :) |
| 15:36.43 | Zorkman | somebody know a cheap place to buy micro sd cards? (I live in europe) |
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| 15:40.29 | tsudot | Dave, any ideas whats wrong? |
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| 15:43.35 | hossi | asciiforever, i can ssh to the phone, but I can't reach the net even after changing the nameserver? |
| 15:44.43 | asciiforever | hossi: can you ping anything by ip address? |
| 15:45.17 | asciiforever | say, 64.233.167.147? |
| 15:45.20 | asciiforever | (google) |
| 15:46.01 | hossi | asciiforever, no :/ |
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| 15:46.54 | asciiforever | hossi: sounds like your pc is not configured to share its connection then... has it ever worked before now? |
| 15:47.23 | hossi | asciiforever, yes |
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| 15:48.30 | asciiforever | hossi: is the gateway for usb0 as listed in /etc/network/interfaces set to the IP of the pc's usb ethernet adapter? |
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| 15:50.18 | hossi | asciiforever, should I might remove the freerunner part? |
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| 16:03.17 | Flinx_away | hossi: if you mean the "# freerunner" part then no |
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| 16:03.50 | Flinx_away | hossi: well... you can... but its just a comment, so does't affect anything |
| 16:04.04 | Rupert_ | I have problems I have a FR that boots to a command line login screen has anybody had this problem |
| 16:04.18 | break-free | how does one take a tangoGPS log and import it into google earth? gEarth won't simply accept the .log file |
| 16:04.52 | break-free | Rupert_, did you try reflashing? |
| 16:05.35 | Rupert_ | I'm trying to get into it to reflash but can't USB Network to the FR I don't know if that's a FR or Ubuntu 8.04 problem so can't flash |
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| 16:07.05 | break-free | I don't think USB network is needed, you just run the dfutil, right? |
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| 16:07.35 | break-free | did you try running through the usb-networking page on the wiki? |
| 16:08.04 | Rupert_ | But given that I don't boot into a GUI but rather a command line terminal I can't input text to the screen even if I connect a USB keyboard |
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| 16:08.49 | Rupert_ | I did the wiki USB stuff for networking and it will not connect usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 16:09.33 | break-free | hm |
| 16:10.05 | break-free | i would just reflash, you should be able to boot the full distro |
| 16:10.33 | break-free | http://wiki.openmoko.com/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 16:10.44 | Rupert_ | I think that my USB networking problem is a problem with the FR as the last lines in the FR on boot are "usb0 No such Device" |
| 16:12.29 | Flinx_away | break-free: have you looked at the TangoGPS homepage for the Google Earth stuff? |
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| 16:13.03 | break-free | Flinx_away: no, because I'm dumb. Thanks haha |
| 16:13.27 | Flinx_away | heh its not OBVIOUS... but it might be there |
| 16:13.38 | Flinx_away | http://psung.blogspot.com/2008/07/sharing-gps-tracks-from-tangogps-on.html -- this also has a thing how to share your tracks with Google Maps. |
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| 16:13.58 | Flinx_away | break-free: http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/Documentation -- Tango Homepage |
| 16:14.19 | SpeedEvil | Note that google essentially say 'yes we'll take your data, and you have no rights at all as to how we use it.' |
| 16:14.43 | Zorkman | is there a script to easily download googlemap tiles that tangogps can use? |
| 16:14.55 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right - not quite the same thing |
| 16:15.54 | break-free | Flinx_away, I don't really see anything on the tangogps page that talks about importing the log file to gearth |
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| 16:19.47 | break-free | anyone know how to convert the tangoGPS log file to something that gEarth likes? |
| 16:19.56 | Flinx_away | break-free: I know, I didn't see anything either... but maybe that JOSM will get you closer? |
| 16:20.07 | SpeedEvil | JOSM will load it straight off. |
| 16:20.15 | SpeedEvil | I'm also writing a comment ATM - wait 1 |
| 16:21.20 | break-free | yeah, JOSM looks interesting |
| 16:22.09 | SpeedEvil | JOSM got broken by UI idiots that think it should be modeless. |
| 16:22.30 | SpeedEvil | Now you can in some circumstances require three meta-key-clicks. |
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| 16:22.37 | SpeedEvil | http://psung.blogspot.com/2008/07/sharing-gps-tracks-from-tangogps-on.html |
| 16:23.04 | SpeedEvil | (Though I still prefer it over the flash editor) |
| 16:23.44 | jadams_ | what is JOSM? |
| 16:23.58 | SpeedEvil | Java Open Street Map editor |
| 16:24.04 | jadams_ | aha |
| 16:24.05 | jadams_ | cool |
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| 16:25.06 | break-free | thanks SpeedEvil, looks like that script is all you need, pretty much |
| 16:25.25 | SpeedEvil | It's not a script. |
| 16:25.49 | SpeedEvil | Well - it is a huge collection of scripts and assorted stuff. |
| 16:25.59 | SpeedEvil | And a backend database |
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| 16:31.16 | jadams_ | rwhitby, you said you got gps working on the gta01 with that fso? |
| 16:31.30 | swc|666 | ! |
| 16:31.33 | Zorkman | does anybody know how to use googlemaps with tangogps? is editing the url on the program sufficient? |
| 16:31.33 | swc|666 | oops |
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| 16:33.37 | break-free | SpeedEvil, the convert2gpx.pl is giving me: convert2gpx.pl: line 22: syntax error near unexpected token `;' |
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| 16:34.56 | SpeedEvil | break-free: I haven't used it |
| 16:34.56 | break-free | damn |
| 16:35.37 | Zorkman | break-free: it's been a while since i used it but it worked fine on my pc |
| 16:37.25 | break-free | strnage |
| 16:37.29 | break-free | *strange |
| 16:39.20 | break-free | meh, re-downloaded and it works |
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| 16:40.25 | {mg} | Hey People! Anyone from germany? |
| 16:40.53 | cheesy | {mg}: yes |
| 16:41.01 | jadams_ | {mg}, germans are! |
| 16:41.08 | {mg} | cool! |
| 16:41.13 | {mg} | im from hamburg. |
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| 16:41.28 | {mg} | do you use a free runner? |
| 16:41.28 | Zorkman | there are a kit if germans here |
| 16:41.36 | ronny | yup |
| 16:41.43 | {mg} | im so frustrated with my symbian phone! |
| 16:41.45 | Zorkman | {mg}: we ven made a ghetto: #neo1973-germany :) |
| 16:41.47 | ronny | define "use" |
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| 16:42.59 | cga | hi all |
| 16:43.05 | Zorkman | llo cga |
| 16:43.12 | cga | yo Zorkman |
| 16:43.16 | Zorkman | you can tell me how to use google maps with tangogps? |
| 16:43.28 | cga | nope |
| 16:43.35 | Zorkman | :( |
| 16:44.12 | cga | how's gsm doing on 200808xx ???? i want to try asu better but i need at least a phone... |
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| 16:44.36 | {mg} | can you use the freerunner as a modem for your computer via bluetooth? does it have umts? |
| 16:44.49 | cga | no umts |
| 16:44.53 | Zorkman | only gprs |
| 16:44.55 | break-free | cga, it's not too bad, I used it as a primary phone for a day or two when my other phone broke, it was annoying at times but it did the job |
| 16:44.56 | cga | but gprs if you will |
| 16:45.30 | cga | break-free, mmm define how annoying and/or working. XD |
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| 16:45.50 | cga | i need it as primary phone since i'm left with none but neo |
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| 16:46.23 | mjr | {mg}, yes on the first question though |
| 16:46.36 | break-free | cga, um, needs to be charged often, some text messages come in as "@@$%%(" |
| 16:46.41 | mjr | but there may not be user-friendly software to set it up yet |
| 16:46.57 | break-free | cga, often needs reboots |
| 16:46.59 | {mg} | no umts? hmm.. |
| 16:47.04 | {mg} | does it have a camera? |
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| 16:47.13 | mjr | no |
| 16:47.15 | break-free | no camera |
| 16:47.18 | cga | break-free, fair enough.. thanks =) i think iìll wait or install it in SD |
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| 16:47.44 | break-free | cga, what are you running now? |
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| 16:48.17 | cga | break-free, 2007.2 upgraded but now i get a library conflict and opkg can't resolve it |
| 16:48.48 | cga | break-free, at least 2007.2 "works" as a phone for calls and sms |
| 16:48.52 | Zorkman | i think we already have ava J2ME, correct? |
| 16:48.55 | break-free | cga, yeah |
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| 16:49.33 | cga | break-free, i'm even thinking about qtopia but then i ask myself.,.. where's the fun going with it? |
| 16:49.40 | mjr | Zorkman, at least somebody was playing with it here before... |
| 16:49.49 | Zorkman | then http://www.mgmaps.com/index.php could be intersting, you can use yahoomaps for example |
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| 16:50.23 | torindel | Zorkman: you can always get j2se -___-; |
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| 16:50.33 | LuYu | does anybody know how to extract the files from a .jffs2 image? |
| 16:50.39 | LuYu | on a desktop |
| 16:50.44 | torindel | LuYu: look on wiki |
| 16:51.00 | mjr | you need to make it a virtual mtd device, and yeah, search wiki |
| 16:51.45 | LuYu | what page? |
| 16:52.01 | torindel | and learn to use search |
| 16:52.10 | LuYu | the boot from SD page only has instructions for .tar.gz images |
| 16:52.35 | torindel | theres at least 2 pages that say how to extract and convert jffs2 |
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| 16:55.08 | ChristW | Anyone up to speed with WiFI on FreeRunner? I _think_ I have a correct wpa_supplicant, but udhcpc keeps saying "No lease, failing". A FreeRunner failure or a WiFi router failure? |
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| 16:57.12 | mickeyl | ChristW: that sounds more like a wifi problem. i'd use a sniffer to inspect what's actually going on |
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| 16:58.16 | torindel | ChristW: ask wpa_supplicant ;] |
| 16:58.26 | torindel | run it by hand with debug |
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| 16:59.00 | torindel | ChristW: wpa_supplicant -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -ieth0 -d |
| 16:59.15 | malik1972 | ChristW: does the ap sends essid? if not change it and retry |
| 17:00.41 | hossi | I go into settings -> wifi-> then press on the name of my network, but then nothing happens? |
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| 17:06.59 | ChristW | A couple of things are strange... wpa-supplicant keeps on re-scanning, but the GUI shows the name of my network. I can press it, and enter a key, but then I don't get a connecton. |
| 17:07.09 | ChristW | iwlist scan eth0 also gives me the name of my network. |
| 17:07.40 | Pyrasi | hi all |
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| 17:14.19 | mmaestri | guess what...http://www.macnn.com/articles/08/08/12/flawed.3g.chip.in.iphone/ |
| 17:14.25 | alephnull_ | How do I get to the terminal in 2008.8 ? |
| 17:15.01 | hossi | alephnull_, you have to download it thrue the installer |
| 17:15.06 | mmaestri | surely apple will release a hardware fix to iphone users... |
| 17:15.56 | hossi | ChristW, have almost the same problem |
| 17:15.56 | alephnull_ | hossi: Ah, so since I have done a ifdown usb0 in error, I presume a restart is in order ? |
| 17:15.58 | LuYu | wow, i was about to ask that |
| 17:16.11 | LuYu | interesting |
| 17:16.32 | SpeedEvil | mmaestri: recently I've heard comments that the RF design looked physically poor. |
| 17:16.38 | ChristW | alephnull: If you don't have WiFI working... yup! |
| 17:16.38 | SpeedEvil | mmaestri: on another channel |
| 17:16.44 | LuYu | so, if you have to use the installer to get the terminal, then how does one get wifi access |
| 17:16.46 | hossi | alephnull_, restart your comp? |
| 17:16.47 | SpeedEvil | (of the iphone-3g |
| 17:16.57 | alephnull_ | hossi: No, the phone. |
| 17:17.02 | hossi | yes |
| 17:17.08 | hossi | reboot your phone |
| 17:17.12 | ChristW | LuYu" Using ehternet-over-USB? |
| 17:17.19 | mmaestri | they had trouble adapting the 3g chip |
| 17:17.30 | alephnull_ | ChristW: Are there any pointers on how to get wifi working ? |
| 17:18.00 | ChristW | alphnull_: Yes, but I'm not sure if they work or not... hossi and I are in the same spot, at the moment. |
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| 17:18.19 | mmaestri | seems that they used wrong test signals... |
| 17:18.25 | ChristW | alephnull_: Try here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wireless_Networking |
| 17:18.25 | SpeedEvil | alephnull_: IIRC search the wiki for wpa_supplicant |
| 17:18.35 | SpeedEvil | mmaestri: GPS + FR all over again |
| 17:18.40 | cjb | ^ It sounds obviously untrue that a problem with chipset could definitely not be fixed with a firmware update. |
| 17:18.41 | alephnull_ | Thank you. |
| 17:18.51 | hossi | ChristW, di you solve the "unknown"-error by deleting that catche file? |
| 17:18.53 | SpeedEvil | cjb: that's overcooking it |
| 17:19.10 | SpeedEvil | cjb: it's perhaps untrue, depending on the reason |
| 17:19.21 | ChristW | hossi: What unknown error and what cache file? |
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| 17:20.56 | hossi | ChristW, in setting -> wifi I got "unknonw" before, instead off on or off |
| 17:21.08 | ChristW | Oh, that... |
| 17:21.25 | ChristW | I used zecke's 'dev' packages. |
| 17:23.06 | hossi | ChristW, about zecke where should I put zecke.conf? |
| 17:24.42 | ChristW | hossi: in /etc/opkg |
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| 17:25.12 | ChristW | After that, a opkg update && opkg upgrade && make "A nice cup of tea" should work... :-) |
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| 17:28.10 | ChristW | About that wpa_supplicant debug trace: Does this ring any bells? ioctl[SIOCSIWESSID]: Invalid argument |
| 17:28.12 | ChristW | Association request to the driver failed |
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| 17:30.22 | ChristW | It also said: Authentication with 00:1d:7e:26:7c:4f timed out. That is the MAC address of my WiFi router. It is currently set on: Mixed, SSID: X, Channel 11, Encryption: Enable, SSID broadcast: Enabled MAC filtering: Off |
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| 17:54.16 | DaveLab | How are you gentlemen? |
| 17:55.13 | e_s_p | What you say? |
| 17:55.40 | DaveLab | :D |
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| 17:57.14 | ChristW | Somebody (please!) set us up the WiFi! |
| 17:57.36 | DaveLab | haha, you wish! ;) |
| 17:58.06 | Flinx | what? |
| 17:58.09 | Flinx | >.> |
| 17:58.18 | Flinx | jeebus.. what the hell did I miss >.> |
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| 18:02.28 | DaveLab | oh yeah, kd8ikt, you around? |
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| 18:07.26 | DaveLab | Hey haudry :P |
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| 18:08.40 | DaveLab | Lpotter, you around? |
| 18:10.41 | almien | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Image:RanaVectorMapOnBike.jpg |
| 18:10.43 | zash | remembers that he wants source for his old nokia phone |
| 18:11.00 | DaveLab | heh |
| 18:11.41 | zash | there's like 2 or 3 things i want to change |
| 18:12.01 | DaveLab | nice |
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| 18:12.34 | zash | srsly, nokia 3310. |
| 18:12.44 | DaveLab | ooh la la |
| 18:12.55 | DaveLab | Is that cooler than my N95? |
| 18:13.07 | leinir | Nah... If it was a 3120, then yes ;) |
| 18:13.10 | Flinx | heh |
| 18:13.16 | leinir | But it's a 3310, so it's a bit meh ;) |
| 18:13.21 | zash | :( |
| 18:13.26 | leinir | ehrm... 3210, not 3120 of course :) |
| 18:13.32 | leinir | *giggles* :) |
| 18:13.42 | DaveLab | LEINIR |
| 18:14.00 | DaveLab | I see you there, smirking in the corner! |
| 18:14.01 | DaveLab | :D |
| 18:14.04 | leinir | curtsies "Guilty as charged" :) |
| 18:14.11 | DaveLab | You can't hide from me! >:) |
| 18:14.19 | DaveLab | gets out the paddle |
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| 18:14.46 | leinir | Oh my ;) |
| 18:14.51 | DaveLab | >:) |
| 18:15.01 | zash | BAD MAGIC NUMBER |
| 18:15.06 | Zorkman | bad mojo |
| 18:15.07 | DaveLab | Jozo: terve |
| 18:15.12 | DaveLab | hei zorkman :D |
| 18:15.21 | Zorkman | llo |
| 18:15.26 | zash | qemu didn't want to run rasters image |
| 18:15.30 | DaveLab | Leinir, Qtopia question, though: I heard there was a new release out like two weeks ago friday |
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| 18:15.37 | Zorkman | DaveLab: have you got googlemaps for tangogps in your laboratory? |
| 18:15.39 | DaveLab | but I've seen no such updates on the website |
| 18:15.58 | DaveLab | Was this merely a fabrication, or is lpotter coveting it for himself, or what? :D |
| 18:16.10 | DaveLab | Zorkman, gmaps? just the maps on the phone? |
| 18:16.16 | DaveLab | It's totally doable, if you really want to. |
| 18:16.16 | leinir | DaveLab: 4.3.2-080808 is the number :) |
| 18:16.28 | DaveLab | leinir, I flashed that, but nothing really changed |
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| 18:16.45 | DaveLab | a couple more options here, and I heard the Internet Settings menu didn't freeze the phone anymore |
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| 18:17.00 | DaveLab | speaking of which, didn't we previously discuss this? ;) |
| 18:20.56 | DaveLab | pokes Leinir |
| 18:21.09 | leinir | murrrs ;) |
| 18:21.20 | DaveLab | heehee |
| 18:21.25 | leinir | i'm really just waiting for 4.4 :) |
| 18:21.27 | DaveLab | strokes leinir's moko |
| 18:21.32 | DaveLab | Leinir, so am I! |
| 18:21.36 | Zorkman | DaveLab: I mean how to use google maps offline with tangoGPS, i heartd it isn't difficult, but can't find instructions |
| 18:21.39 | leinir | (and a kernel that doesn't kill my SDHC card ;) ) |
| 18:21.47 | DaveLab | I've been pestering lpotter about it, but he's all like, wtf, wait your turn! :P |
| 18:21.52 | DaveLab | heh |
| 18:21.58 | DaveLab | leinir, the corruption thing? |
| 18:22.15 | DaveLab | zorkman, there are none - surprise!!! |
| 18:22.38 | Zorkman | i will be even more surprised when someone tells me them :p |
| 18:22.47 | leinir | DaveLab: Exactly :) It's a bit annoying ;) |
| 18:24.12 | jadams_ | Zorkman, I assume if you find out you'll add it to the wiki |
| 18:24.22 | DaveLab | leinir, worse than that :P |
| 18:24.26 | DaveLab | jadams, you can't |
| 18:24.42 | Zorkman | I will, exept when it is against the "wiki rules" since google doesn't like us using theur maps offline :) |
| 18:24.46 | DaveLab | Well, you can, but there's some scrutiny surrounding that. |
| 18:24.50 | DaveLab | Zorkman, huhu |
| 18:25.05 | DaveLab | there's a questionable copyright violation there :D |
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| 18:25.41 | DaveLab | But I'm sure the danes don't really care about such silly things, do they? ;) |
| 18:26.03 | Zorkman | yeah yeah DaveLab, it will of course only be a theoretical guide, not something anybody would really use.... |
| 18:26.48 | Zorkman | I heard the Danes only care about Greenland |
| 18:27.30 | DaveLab | *cough* |
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| 18:36.38 | DaveLab | bah, python memory errors :( |
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| 18:36.58 | hossi | oh I run upgraded with zecke's feed, pretty much |
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| 18:43.30 | enaut | mhm I recently got my neo... so i thought i might try the 2008.08 image. but where is the terminal in the 2008.08 stack hidden? |
| 18:44.17 | jadams_ | Zorkman, Dave: so find another wiki to put the instructions on :) |
| 18:45.16 | hossi | enaut, you have to install it from the installer :) |
| 18:45.59 | enaut | lol but i need it to set up networking... |
| 18:46.10 | hossi | enaut, no |
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| 18:49.32 | Wonka | hm, does the ar6k do wpa2-psk? |
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| 18:53.35 | jadams_ | I'm trying debian+pkg-fso on the gta01 now, will let everyone know how it goes |
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| 18:53.51 | Flinx | enaut: use the usb networking ;) |
| 18:54.19 | Flinx | almost everything you need is done on the PC side |
| 18:54.31 | Tanuva | hmpf... something's using the alsa device on debian.. |
| 18:55.19 | Flinx | enaut: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
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| 18:57.03 | Flinx | hossi: how did the zecke work? |
| 18:57.21 | enaut | Flinx: yes Im on that site... with the original software i simply set the dns server for the frerunner to my actual server that was working... however that is not so easy without terminal |
| 18:57.48 | hossi | enaut, do it from ssh |
| 18:58.01 | hossi | Flinx, yes, i got ip from the wlan |
| 18:58.15 | malik1972 | debian wiki: Unlike on OM 2008.8 the serial port for gps is not /dev/ttySAC1 but /dev/s3c2410_serial1. |
| 18:58.33 | malik1972 | but /dev/s3c2410_serial1 does not exist?! |
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| 18:59.34 | hossi | but I must say the keybad in 2008 is annoyin |
| 18:59.39 | hossi | annoying |
| 18:59.45 | Bish | y? |
| 18:59.53 | Bish | ah u mean the qtopia |
| 19:00.01 | Bish | no its not, its great. but not for terminal |
| 19:00.32 | lindi- | malik1972: shouldn't you talk to gps over dbus? |
| 19:01.56 | Flinx | enaut: right, you should be able to SSH into the phone |
| 19:02.34 | hossi | Bish, it bad for the terminal |
| 19:02.59 | Flinx | I'm not sure why anyoen would need terminal from the phone... |
| 19:03.06 | Flinx | ssh seems a better way to do it |
| 19:03.16 | Tanuva | to get usb0 down and eth0 up f.e. |
| 19:03.17 | Bish | hossi: yeah right, thats what ive said |
| 19:03.29 | malik1972 | lindi- i dont know, i followed the manual debian wiki |
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| 19:03.44 | Flinx | Tanuva: moo? |
| 19:04.00 | Flinx | Tanuva: what is f.e? |
| 19:04.02 | Tanuva | Flinx: the ssh session hangs if you ifdown usb0 while logged in |
| 19:04.05 | Tanuva | Flinx: for example |
| 19:04.10 | Flinx | oh... |
| 19:04.14 | Flinx | gotcha... |
| 19:04.21 | Flinx | tihngs I haven't had a chance to do yet ;) |
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| 19:04.52 | Flinx | although it would probably be a good idea to just ad the terminal to the -base- image |
| 19:05.14 | Tanuva | won't install an image that doesn't have a terminal |
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| 19:05.58 | Flinx | won't ifdown usb0 while the FR is plugged in |
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| 19:06.31 | lindi- | malik1972: well, you should :) |
| 19:06.32 | Flinx | and if you have it set up to hotplugged I dunno why I'd have to up or down any of the interfaces. |
| 19:06.34 | Tanuva | you must do that if you aren't a routing wizard to get internet over eth0 working |
| 19:06.48 | Flinx | moo? |
| 19:07.08 | Flinx | explain plz? cause... i'm not picking up somehting |
| 19:07.09 | Tanuva | because up/downing interfaces doesn't really work for me |
| 19:07.48 | Tanuva | if usb0 is up and you want to get internet (= default route) over eth0, you have to ifdown usb0 to get it to work, at least if you do not know the routing code by heart |
| 19:08.10 | Flinx | O |
| 19:08.23 | Flinx | so... you take down usb0 while its plugged into the PC? |
| 19:08.30 | torindel | Tanuva: and why not route delete default gw? ;p |
| 19:08.38 | Flinx | or do you mean on the device? |
| 19:08.39 | Tanuva | torindel: because that doesn't help from my experience |
| 19:08.49 | Tanuva | Flinx: no, that's what I need a terminal on the neo for |
| 19:08.59 | Flinx | aaaah |
| 19:09.00 | torindel | Tanuva: then you can run dhcpcd or whatever and it will setup correct default route |
| 19:09.23 | Flinx | I'm trying to understand this cause I'd like to wet up WiFi later this evening. |
| 19:09.25 | malik1972 | lindi- you mean deactivatinf gps for frameworkd? |
| 19:09.25 | Tanuva | torindel: but I use static configuration - and the correct default route IS there, it's just that... it doesn't seem to be used |
| 19:09.34 | hossi | Bish, get zecke's feeds and the keypad will be much much better :) |
| 19:09.35 | Flinx | although I might try to get Debian on the SD... |
| 19:09.58 | torindel | Tanuva: ip addreses on usb0 and eth0? |
| 19:10.04 | Tanuva | Flinx: that's no hard job. let the install.sh run and you're done |
| 19:10.12 | Tanuva | torindel: different subnets :) |
| 19:10.30 | Flinx | Oh right.. speaking of SD... there is a "sql.lite.db" or something similar on my SD card. It seems to have been put there by something from 2008.8 can I delete it? |
| 19:10.36 | Bish | hossi: , i dont have much time for openmoko, at the moment :(( |
| 19:10.47 | Flinx | Tanuva: I might bug oyu later for the install.sh. |
| 19:10.53 | Tanuva | Flinx: qtopia stores settings in it |
| 19:10.54 | hossi | Bish, take time |
| 19:10.54 | Bish | hossi: i even run the trolltech image at the moment :( |
| 19:11.05 | Bish | yeah i know, horrible |
| 19:11.05 | torindel | Tanuva: then you probably didnt delete default route before setting diff one |
| 19:11.34 | Flinx | Tanuva: hrm.. thats going to be problematic for installing Debian on my SD... |
| 19:11.49 | Tanuva | torindel: they existed at the same time until I deleted the second one.. but I can retry later, maybe it was just me :) |
| 19:12.15 | Tanuva | Flinx: you can prevent isntall.sh from formatting your card, but then you need to partition by urself |
| 19:12.25 | torindel | Tanuva: you can have 2 default routes, you have to delete one before adding another |
| 19:12.25 | Sargun | is "Dolfje" here? |
| 19:12.27 | Sargun | Who is "Dolfje" |
| 19:13.17 | Flinx | Tanuva: I can probably just copy it off, and then put it back later. |
| 19:13.35 | Tanuva | torindel: then that migth been my mistake |
| 19:13.39 | Tanuva | *have |
| 19:13.56 | Tanuva | Flinx: yes, but later you have to put it on the kernel (the first) partition for qtopia to find it |
| 19:14.38 | Flinx | murgle.. |
| 19:14.47 | Flinx | hrmm.. a sticky sitcheeashun... |
| 19:14.48 | Tanuva | it's not that complicated. :) |
| 19:15.26 | Flinx | really since I don;t have a working SIM a debian load prolly wont help much.. |
| 19:16.29 | Flinx | and one of these days... I'm going to re-write all the wiki's.... |
| 19:16.33 | Flinx | I swear.. |
| 19:16.38 | Tanuva | *g* |
| 19:17.09 | Flinx | in order to do anything you have to read like 4 different cross-refferenced wiki pages ;p |
| 19:17.17 | Flinx | its a bit frustrating for noobs |
| 19:17.30 | toggles_w | and vets |
| 19:17.42 | Flinx | I can imagine |
| 19:17.48 | Flinx | I'm somewhere between ;) |
| 19:17.58 | Flinx | maybe noob+3 |
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| 19:19.01 | Infoport | hi all ! yeah, I got a sql-lite file on my first SD partition (without asking me) and it was named qtopia_db.sqlite |
| 19:19.15 | Flinx | yeah thats the one ;) |
| 19:19.32 | Infoport | Flinx I agree-- I have so many wiki pages bookmarked now that it isnt even funny |
| 19:19.37 | Flinx | Infoport: according to Tanuva thats where qtopia likes to keep settings |
| 19:19.52 | Flinx | Infoport: don't worry.. I'm trying to get onto the documentation team ;) |
| 19:19.55 | lpotter | no, thats where qtopia keeps it content database for the sd card |
| 19:20.47 | Bish | hossi: so whats new, on your keyboard? u switched back to qwerty? |
| 19:20.51 | Flinx | ...? |
| 19:21.23 | Flinx | see now I'm confused.. cause Tanuva just said that it was where qtopia keeps settings. |
| 19:21.29 | Infoport | lpotter is qtopia supposed to find mp3s? I managed to get it to find my photos, but I put an mp3 on my FR to test it, and neither 2008.8 nor qtopia seem to automagically find it |
| 19:21.37 | lpotter | well, dont listen to them. :) |
| 19:21.57 | Flinx | but.. but.. i like Tanuva... |
| 19:22.02 | lpotter | Infoport: where did you put them? |
| 19:22.05 | Infoport | Flinx lpotter is providing the builds, so I'd believe him |
| 19:22.18 | Flinx | ah |
| 19:22.21 | lpotter | i do more than provide the builds :) |
| 19:22.28 | Flinx | oh? |
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| 19:22.41 | Flinx | well tell qtopia to stop taking up space on my SD card :p |
| 19:22.48 | Tanuva | Flinx: I must be wrong, lpotter has far more knowledge than me :D |
| 19:23.04 | Flinx | Tanuva: no worries |
| 19:23.18 | lpotter | Flinx: you dont want fast finds for your content on sd? |
| 19:23.27 | Flinx | I do. |
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| 19:23.34 | Infoport | lpotter do I have to put them in Documents? I know I put it in /home/root/Documents (actually I think 2008.8 did find that after awhile) but I thought that it would be visible on the card too |
| 19:23.37 | Flinx | but I'm more interested in dual booting ;) |
| 19:23.39 | lpotter | than it needs to keep a databse |
| 19:24.10 | Flinx | although at this rate i'll prolly just keep 2008.8 |
| 19:24.19 | lpotter | Infoport: yes, or on teh sd. then in 4.3 you should run the devtools script that rescans the documents |
| 19:24.20 | sevenhundred | hey lpotter, a few days ago someone (can't remember who) told me to speak to you about my swedish keyboard for qtopia? |
| 19:24.21 | Infoport | Flinx you dont flash onto SD, just copy the uImage.bin over, so it can co-exist |
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| 19:24.59 | Flinx | Infoport: well.. strictly speaking.. the dual booting wiki was talking about formatting the SD card :p |
| 19:25.01 | lpotter | sevenhundred: ok. |
| 19:25.33 | Flinx | which is why i was thinking about saving the DB elsewhere and putting it back after i get the SD card where I need it to be |
| 19:25.48 | lpotter | although extended ascii has been solved with 4.4 |
| 19:25.59 | Infoport | Flinx yes the card does need to be formatted, but your must be formatted already. I installed mine in a different order, and got the db later |
| 19:26.11 | Flinx | ah |
| 19:26.17 | Infoport | Flinx I think your plan to move it and move it back sounds good! |
| 19:26.19 | lpotter | Flinx: it doesnt _need_ the database. you must edit the Storage.conf file |
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| 19:26.25 | Flinx | well formatted and partitioned. |
| 19:26.41 | Flinx | lemme make sure i read the wiki right |
| 19:27.15 | Flinx | lpotter: I see no reason to change it, I just didn't want to screw anything up trying to get the SD card to where i can dual boot |
| 19:28.48 | hossi | Bish, it cooler, you can switch to a special termianl keypad |
| 19:29.02 | hossi | got wlan working <3 |
| 19:29.19 | Flinx | yeah |
| 19:29.20 | Flinx | the |
| 19:29.25 | Bish | hossi: yeah cool, ! |
| 19:29.32 | Bish | i dont have wlan :( |
| 19:29.35 | Flinx | then debian install.sh will format the SD card. |
| 19:29.41 | Bish | who thinks umts or something like that would be fuking cool ! |
| 19:29.46 | Bish | VPN -> home! |
| 19:29.52 | Infoport | Flinx yes you would want more partitions probably. It turns out that you dont _need_ a kernel partition-- you would just have to change the variable in the uboot entry to specify the location of the kernel (rather than use the default in var \${sd_image_name}) and change mmc 1 to mmc 1:<p> partition# for <p> |
| 19:29.54 | hossi | is there a bittorrent-client? :) |
| 19:29.54 | Flinx | lol |
| 19:30.33 | Flinx | Infoport: gotcha |
| 19:30.34 | Infoport | Flinx and if you have the original uBoot (never reflashed) then you need an update so you can boot right off ext2 instead of FAT |
| 19:31.18 | Infoport | Flinx btw, I think that the Boot from SD instructions are a prime candidate for "takes too many crossreferenced page" |
| 19:31.52 | Flinx | hossi: I found a CLI Bittorrent written in Python |
| 19:32.21 | Flinx | Infoport: yeah.. but I can't really do anything until I can get folded into the documenation team. |
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| 19:32.43 | enaut | Flinx: thx for your hints now i have it working :) |
| 19:32.48 | Flinx | I've been making minor wiki edits, for spelling and helpful notes.. but I dun wanna change anything big w/o discussing it. |
| 19:32.55 | Flinx | enaut: Awesome :D |
| 19:33.07 | Infoport | Flinx I put my 2nd boot on partition 1 & 2 (both ext2) then realized that once you are able to boot from ext2, you can put it all on one partition (and make the uboot entry more specific, instead of using the same variables for uImage location) |
| 19:33.18 | Flinx | there doesn't happen to be an #openmoko-docs channel does there? :p |
| 19:33.34 | Flinx | Infoport: sounds complicated. |
| 19:33.36 | Infoport | so my 3rd boot is on its own image, except for the file qtopia decided to throw out there |
| 19:33.54 | Flinx | Infoport: but then again, yesterday is the first day that i acutally did anything with my FR ;) |
| 19:34.45 | Infoport | Flinx not really much more complicated than setting up dual boot...I still mostly used the wiki directions, and the uboot entry there almost verbatim-- just one or two tiny changes (with help from IRC) |
| 19:34.55 | Flinx | Python BitTorrent Client http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-command-line-bittorrent-client.html |
| 19:35.12 | lindi- | what was the alsamixer i should use if the other party is not hearing my voice loudly enough? |
| 19:35.15 | Flinx | gotcha. |
| 19:35.29 | Infoport | Flinx one way or the other, you will already have to read 3-4 wikipages and do most of the work anyway |
| 19:35.58 | Flinx | lindi-: I think it was mic |
| 19:36.00 | enaut | btw: i added a hint to the wiki that you can use the dfu-util package of interpid on a hardy ubuntu installation the original wasn't working on 64-bit |
| 19:37.35 | Flinx | lindihttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Adjusting_the_Volume |
| 19:37.43 | Infoport | Flinx good, I have only been making minor updates to wiki too-- I feel unsure about re-organizing without permission |
| 19:38.07 | Flinx | Infoport: you should join the documenation mailing list |
| 19:39.15 | Flinx | Infoport: I've actually been using nabble to read the posts http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-f681767 but it seems out of date. |
| 19:39.19 | Infoport | Flinx perhaps, although I currently have about 2000 messages I havent gotten to from the other lists |
| 19:39.53 | DaveLab | Info! |
| 19:39.57 | Infoport | Flinx yeah I have read a lot through archive, b/c google searches it, and you can easily link to it |
| 19:40.03 | Infoport | Dave! |
| 19:40.13 | Flinx | yeah |
| 19:40.15 | DaveLab | :D |
| 19:40.39 | Flinx | I wish the "digests" were more 1/day though. |
| 19:40.44 | torindel | enaut: orginal dfu-util was working for me (64bit too) |
| 19:40.58 | Tanuva | where does apt store the package indizes (Packages.gz)? |
| 19:41.22 | Infoport | I ran into an engineer at the pizza place/bar last night...impressed him with my phone (and I didnt even get to SHOW him most of it) |
| 19:41.49 | Infoport | I am DEFINITELY installing the alpha Gestures package (accelerometer!) |
| 19:41.49 | Flinx | Tanuva: it should. I'm working on another project where we have to create a local repo and thats where the indices are put :D |
| 19:42.08 | Flinx | Infoport: WHERE WHERE!~!!!! I WANT! |
| 19:42.23 | sevenhundred | Man, I'd like to impress engineers with my phone -_- |
| 19:42.24 | Tanuva | Flinx: where's the question, "Packages.gz" was just some hint :D |
| 19:42.32 | Flinx | oh |
| 19:42.34 | enaut | torindel: I don't know id just did not reply anything nor was it flashing anything :( with the interpid version everything was nice and smoth |
| 19:42.36 | Flinx | er.... |
| 19:43.46 | Flinx | Tanuva: /var/cache/apt/archive ? |
| 19:44.06 | Tanuva | the downloaded debs are there, yes... |
| 19:44.13 | Tanuva | but not the indices afaik |
| 19:44.39 | Tanuva | or do they get merged into /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin? |
| 19:44.45 | Flinx | Tanuva: looking. |
| 19:45.04 | DaveLab | it's pretty terrible |
| 19:46.15 | hossi | Flinx, have you tried cli bittorrent? |
| 19:46.23 | DaveLab | haha |
| 19:46.24 | DaveLab | oh god |
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| 19:47.26 | Flinx | hossi: Nope. |
| 19:47.34 | Flinx | Tanuva: http://pwet.fr/man/linux/administration_systeme/apt_move maybe this helps? >.< |
| 19:48.16 | Infoport | Flinx it is mentioned now on the bottom of the OM 2008.8 Guide. One of the GSoc people is doing it, and has a YouTube video of it (orientation works in the video too!) |
| 19:48.45 | Infoport | Flinx actually, it has it own page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gestures |
| 19:49.19 | mikef187 | I have just created channel #openmoko-debian |
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| 19:49.36 | Flinx | nice.. :D |
| 19:50.02 | mikef187 | not sure why it's not listed in the channel list... is there a delay? |
| 19:50.27 | Flinx | Tanuva: it looks like /etc/apt/apt.conf might have the answers to your question also. |
| 19:50.28 | hossi | Flinx, do you have the gps up and running? |
| 19:50.36 | Flinx | yep :D |
| 19:50.46 | Flinx | I just don't have any maps yet |
| 19:50.53 | Tanuva | Flinx: pkgconfig isn't the problem for me, I'll take a look at apt.conf |
| 19:51.34 | Flinx | Tanuva: I know, but that link looked like it had pointers to stuff.. and things |
| 19:51.37 | Flinx | and bbq |
| 19:51.51 | Tanuva | Flinx: eeehm. there's no /etc/apt/apt.conf here... |
| 19:52.09 | Flinx | <-- doesn't have his FR handy... |
| 19:52.21 | Flinx | find . - name "apt.conf" ?? |
| 19:53.07 | Tanuva | d-a318:/var/cache/apt# find / -name "apt.conf" |
| 19:53.07 | Tanuva | /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/apt.conf |
| 19:53.09 | Tanuva | grml... |
| 19:53.36 | Flinx | >.< |
| 19:53.54 | Flinx | I only have google.. |
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| 19:56.30 | Flinx | rawer.. |
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| 19:56.59 | Flinx | I should set up my workstation to connect to my FR... |
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| 20:02.47 | Flinx | I need to stop looking at the wiki... its driving me bonkers. |
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| 20:06.08 | Flinx | oh... |
| 20:06.27 | Flinx | Tanuva: its actualyl calld /etc/apt/apt.config.d on my Etch machine |
| 20:06.49 | Tanuva | on my neo's sid/lenny, too |
| 20:06.58 | Flinx | ah |
| 20:06.59 | Tanuva | and on my desktop, too |
| 20:07.06 | Tanuva | (which is also sidux) |
| 20:07.06 | Flinx | so .. did you find what you wer elookin for? |
| 20:07.18 | Flinx | I want lenny |
| 20:07.31 | Flinx | lenny has NFTS-3g concifigred.. |
| 20:07.41 | Tanuva | no, didn't find out yet |
| 20:07.48 | Flinx | blah.. stupid keyboard. |
| 20:08.18 | Tanuva | the actual error is: W: Failed to fetch http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-armel/Packages.gz Hash Sum mismatch |
| 20:08.27 | Tanuva | on apt-get update |
| 20:08.42 | Tanuva | but I can't find the hashsum it's comparing with |
| 20:08.49 | Tanuva | s/with/to/ |
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| 20:10.24 | Flinx | if I had to guess.. http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-armel/Packages |
| 20:10.49 | Flinx | no wait.. that just lists the packages with thier hashs... |
| 20:10.55 | Tanuva | sure, it's there. but where does apt store the local copy I need to delete to have it redownload it? |
| 20:11.10 | mikef187 | Tanuva: Greetings... you get debian running on your brick? |
| 20:11.28 | Flinx | Tanuva: Moo? |
| 20:11.31 | Tanuva | mikef187: it already ran once and some zhone-startup-thingy got screwed, now it runs |
| 20:11.34 | Flinx | thats the best i got. |
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| 20:12.17 | Flinx | wait... |
| 20:12.31 | Infoport | ok, A/C breaker reset, back to tinkering |
| 20:12.31 | Flinx | maybe.. the hash missing is what the problem is? >.> |
| 20:12.32 | Tanuva | Flinx: there must be a local copy of this hash apt is comparing the package.gz or whatever to - that's what I need to find (afaik) |
| 20:12.37 | mikef187 | so are you able to make/take calls on debian? |
| 20:12.44 | Tanuva | Flinx: that maybe the problem, too |
| 20:12.54 | Tanuva | mikef187: didn't try yet, I'm not using it as a phone very much :D |
| 20:13.02 | mikef187 | I see |
| 20:13.13 | mikef187 | tx for the info |
| 20:13.17 | Tanuva | *g* |
| 20:13.26 | Flinx | Tanuva: I guess finding out if it hashes packages.tgz would be step 0? |
| 20:13.52 | Infoport | sevenhundred: the engineer *really* liked the GPS "for free" -- he said that most devices charged you ongoing for GPS service :-( |
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| 20:15.03 | mikef187 | Tanuva: I'm not sure if you heard I created #openmoko-debian |
| 20:15.04 | Tanuva | Flinx: if I knew how to do that... :/ |
| 20:15.20 | sevenhundred | infoport: what?! how can they even justify that? |
| 20:15.23 | Tanuva | mikef187: I was in such channel but noone else there, let me type /join once... :) |
| 20:15.34 | lindi- | mikef187: i'm not sure if such channel is good yet |
| 20:15.59 | Infoport | does anybody know how to view the dropbear key fingerprint out of the key file? ssh-keygen -lf gives an error |
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| 20:16.39 | Infoport | sevenhundred I dunno...I guess you line up the cattle and tell them it is "normal" to be charged |
| 20:16.44 | Flinx | Tanuva: I know.. |
| 20:16.49 | Flinx | :( |
| 20:17.25 | Flinx | GA!H!! |
| 20:17.29 | Flinx | methinks I found it!!!! |
| 20:17.46 | Tanuva | :O |
| 20:17.47 | Infoport | sevenhundred or he may have been confusing charging for the _maps_ |
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| 20:18.45 | lindi- | Infoport: start server, use ssh-keyscan? ;) |
| 20:18.51 | Flinx | http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3084822.0;wap2 |
| 20:18.57 | Flinx | Closer... |
| 20:19.53 | Flinx | http://apt-rpm.org/options.shtml |
| 20:20.39 | Flinx | Location of main vendor gpg fingerprint list, normally /etc/apt/vendors.list |
| 20:20.43 | Flinx | from previous link |
| 20:21.30 | Flinx | and of course "gzip Location on gzip binary. " is freakin empty >.< |
| 20:21.48 | Infoport | lindi- I want to be able to check the key file I pulled off, while I am trying to sync it across distros (not just when connecting) |
| 20:21.50 | Tanuva | that file doesn't exist... there are trusted.gpg and trustdb.gpg |
| 20:21.56 | mikef187 | lindi-: I was in the restroom |
| 20:22.00 | Tanuva | (which are of course encrypted >.<) |
| 20:22.03 | mikef187 | I have about 5 years exp in debian |
| 20:22.46 | Infoport | lindi- ssh-keygen -lf says it is not a proper key |
| 20:22.47 | Flinx | gr. |
| 20:23.17 | Flinx | Tanuva: maybe backup the two files in /var/cache/apt/ and delete them from your phone? |
| 20:23.22 | erl_ | Quick question: I've built FSO with MokoMakefile, how do I get the rootfs as a .tar.gz file? The files in build/tmp/rootfs/dev/ aren't device nodes, which I think is givig me problems. |
| 20:23.53 | Tanuva | Flinx: they are the index of the archive/, get regenerated after each apt-get update |
| 20:23.58 | Tanuva | (just found out) |
| 20:24.12 | Tanuva | and I already tried removing them temporarily |
| 20:24.34 | Flinx | oh? |
| 20:24.44 | Flinx | heh........ |
| 20:25.10 | Infoport | ssh-keygen says that line 1 is too long, and then mydir/dropbear_rsa_host_key is not a public key file. |
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| 20:25.52 | Flinx | sooo... maybe try building a local repo with http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html#id2479903 |
| 20:26.06 | Flinx | that way you can make the hashes yourself? |
| 20:26.22 | Tanuva | uhh |
| 20:26.43 | Tanuva | very work intensive :D |
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| 20:27.19 | Tanuva | I'd rather like to find out what's really wrong there... |
| 20:28.00 | Flinx | kay... |
| 20:28.05 | hossi | i hade this awesome terminal keypad from zecke's feed, after reboot the keypad vanished? |
| 20:28.21 | Flinx | erl_: does this help you?? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Acquiring_a_tarfile_rootfs |
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| 20:32.27 | Flinx | cya when i get home :D! |
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| 20:38.35 | malik1972 | ts works only with "export TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event1" in debian |
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| 20:39.40 | lindi- | mikef187: with xglamo you mean? |
| 20:39.41 | malik1972 | where can i anchor this in the system? |
| 20:40.01 | malik1972 | yes |
| 20:40.12 | lindi- | mikef187: i used /etc/init.d/zhone-session :) |
| 20:40.23 | malik1972 | bashrc and profile didnt worked |
| 20:40.30 | malik1972 | i also tried it there |
| 20:40.41 | mikef187 | lindi: I'm not familer with xglamo |
| 20:41.23 | lindi- | malik1972: you also need symlink for libts |
| 20:41.50 | malik1972 | lindi- sorry, i tried it in /usr/bin/zhone-session |
| 20:42.28 | lindi- | malik1972: there it won't help |
| 20:43.26 | malik1972 | lindi- okay, i am rebooting for a test |
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| 20:44.17 | malik1972 | i should have set it to something else instead of the reboot:-( |
| 20:46.32 | Infoport | if the next Neo is to hold the stylus, it will have to be much smaller-- I think just a thin stylus, with a small screwdriver on the other end (for lifting SIM latch, etc) |
| 20:50.42 | malik1972 | lindi- is the calibration okay in landscape mode, which xglamo u used? |
| 20:51.31 | lindi- | malik1972: yes |
| 20:51.52 | malik1972 | lindi- i used one from the shr feed |
| 20:53.01 | malik1972 | lindi- but it does not work properly |
| 20:54.52 | Infoport | the Gesture alpha is cute-- it handles orientation well, although I am having trouble consistently making left (vs left and return), right vs right/return, and "z" |
| 20:55.08 | Infoport | cute is the wrong word-- it is very nice! |
| 20:56.04 | malik1972 | rotation is also cool |
| 20:56.20 | Tanuva | rotation is really damn cool, yes :D |
| 20:56.29 | Tanuva | has anyone tried the gestures on debian yet? |
| 20:56.35 | malik1972 | :-) |
| 20:56.42 | malik1972 | thats my next aim |
| 20:56.56 | malik1972 | but for that landscape has to work properly |
| 20:57.08 | Infoport | that's what I meant-- oritenation/rotation. I think that it is usable for rotation, even if the other Gestures are not yet tied to actions |
| 20:57.09 | malik1972 | i am searching for the right xglamo |
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| 20:57.21 | Infoport | orientation |
| 20:57.41 | lindi- | malik1972: while you are at it, test the debian package |
| 20:57.43 | Tanuva | nice! the moment raster packages illume for debian I'll install that - but I seem to be unable to get e17 running on x86, so I rather not try crosscompiling :) |
| 20:57.57 | malik1972 | lindi- xglamo package? |
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| 20:58.22 | Infoport | yeah landscape is kind of flaky as it is...doesnt put the screen taps in the right place |
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| 20:59.35 | Zorkman | when installing gestures i get a lot of erros Package accelges wants to install file /usr/lib/libaccelneo.so.0 |
| 20:59.43 | lindi- | malik1972: yes |
| 21:00.03 | malik1972 | lindi- there is no one, i did an update, which feed? |
| 21:00.04 | lindi- | Tanuva: i managed to get e17 stable and svn work on x86 |
| 21:00.13 | lindi- | Tanuva: but the illume keyboard does not |
| 21:00.22 | ab0oo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.38 | lindi- | malik1972: http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/xglamo-beta |
| 21:00.51 | malik1972 | works now:-9 |
| 21:00.51 | Zorkman | anyone succeeded in installing gestures on 2007.2? |
| 21:01.11 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r776f7035636f 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (om.py ubx.py): |
| 21:01.11 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Apply warmstart.patch (thanks quickdev!) |
| 21:01.11 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: This allows us to save almanac, ephemeris, etc. before powering |
| 21:01.11 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: off the gps chip and load the data back afterwards, thus greatly |
| 21:01.13 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: reducing time to first fix. |
| 21:01.13 | malik1972 | i wont touch it? |
| 21:01.46 | malik1972 | xglamo from alphaone's feed |
| 21:01.59 | Tanuva | lindi-: yes, you gave me some howto compile e17, but I got errors when finally compiling e17 itself. maybe it was just a temporary bug in the cvs code... something directly related to it though |
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| 21:02.15 | lindi- | Tanuva: probably |
| 21:02.40 | lindi- | Tanuva: missing LD_LIBRARY_PATH if you have older e installled? |
| 21:02.42 | ab0oo | is there firmware necessary for the CSR bluetooth chip that I might be missing? |
| 21:02.46 | sevenhundred | does anyone have a figure on how many Freerunners they've sold? |
| 21:03.19 | Tanuva | lindi-: no e at all on my system... just... hmm, I have edje_cc running, but that shouldn't confuse it. it's just that ... maybe... hm. I should remove that |
| 21:03.37 | Tanuva | *g* |
| 21:06.05 | lindi- | yes :) |
| 21:06.18 | ab0oo | does anyone have a stock image they can look in /lib/firmware and tell me if anything is in there (specifically, bluetooth chip firmware) |
| 21:06.36 | ab0oo | my /lib/firmware is empty, and bluetooth doesn't work. |
| 21:07.00 | Zorkman | anybody know where i can find libaccelneo? |
| 21:11.22 | mmontour | ab0oo: look in /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0 , make sure that power_on is 1 and reset is 0. |
| 21:12.05 | ab0oo | power_on always returns 0, even after an echo 1> |
| 21:13.24 | mmontour | "echo 1 >" not "echo 1>" (the space is important) |
| 21:13.37 | ab0oo | either way |
| 21:13.52 | lpotter | try this before yo udo that: echo 3300 > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/voltage_ldo4 |
| 21:14.28 | mmontour | works for me, although for some reason "echo 0" doesn't seem to turn it off again. |
| 21:14.31 | ab0oo | still no love. |
| 21:14.43 | mmontour | check dmesg to see if it is giving you any hints |
| 21:14.45 | ab0oo | I need to go fetch children from school. bbiab. |
| 21:14.53 | ab0oo | neo1973-pm-bt neo1973-pm-bt.0: GTA02 Set PCF50633 LDO4 = 3200 |
| 21:15.02 | ab0oo | about 6 of those. like I said, brb |
| 21:16.54 | lpotter | oh you need to reset the chip after the echo 3300 |
| 21:18.31 | malik1972 | lindi- ping |
| 21:19.40 | malik1972 | lindi- which fonts are usual for landscape mode? |
| 21:20.28 | Tanuva | why would you want special fonts for landscape? |
| 21:21.11 | malik1972 | tanuva: some applications do not start without them, Font 9x15 missing ... |
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| 21:23.29 | Infoport | wheeee! I added to the OM2008.8 Guide, about hot-swapping a drained battery to fast-charge right away (really should be in "Getting to Know Your Freerunner, but there was a tip there about having to wait/charge drained battery several hours already) |
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| 21:26.16 | Infoport | hmm.. is moving the tips on batteries a job for Documentation team, or should I just step up and move that info to a page myself? |
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| 21:29.31 | iperr1 | is there a subversion tree for the OM-2008 distribution? I'm looking through svn.openmoko.org for sources to the qtopia applications and can only find OM-2007 sources |
| 21:30.49 | ronny | guess its only in git/monotone |
| 21:32.41 | lloyd_fedora | need some help with booting from SD .. do i need to do with this part of the boot entry 'fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 \${sd_image_name}\;' .. what is ${sd_image_name} |
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| 21:34.05 | Zorkman | lloyd_fedora you only need to edit the boot entry if your kernel is vfat and rootfs is ext2 |
| 21:34.12 | Zorkman | (if your uboot is up to date) |
| 21:34.35 | lloyd_fedora | yeah .. kernel is on vfat n root on ext3 |
| 21:34.36 | Infoport | lloyd_fedora sd_image_name is a variable already set to uImage.bin (and the default is first partition) |
| 21:34.47 | malik1972 | right click in debian? |
| 21:34.49 | Zorkman | lloyd_fedora: I said rootst on ext2 :) |
| 21:35.21 | lloyd_fedora | Infoport: so its set by default to be on the 1st part |
| 21:36.13 | Infoport | lloyd_fedora well actually that command specifies it (mmc 1) |
| 21:36.17 | iperr1 | new applications should be targeted towards 2008/qtopia, is that right? |
| 21:37.04 | lloyd_fedora | cool thanks Infoport n Zorkman |
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| 21:37.29 | Zorkman | np |
| 21:37.33 | Zorkman | llo Chox, long time no see |
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| 21:40.04 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r810eaabc8979 10/setup.py: |
| 21:40.04 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Add missing config files to setup.py so they get installed. |
| 21:40.04 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Thanks, Ainulindale! |
| 21:43.11 | torindel | iperr1: fso if its phone aware |
| 21:43.32 | iperr1 | no phone support necessary |
| 21:43.44 | iperr1 | I'm just looking for the sources to applications running on the qt stack |
| 21:43.53 | iperr1 | not immediately clear where to look, i can't find it in the svn repository |
| 21:44.19 | Infoport | lloyd_fedora when I set up a 3rd boot, I had to replace the variable in the uboot entry to specify the location. mine (boot from ext2 with newer uBoot) had ... mmc 1:3 ... /boot/uImage.bin (instead of \${sd_card_image} ) |
| 21:45.20 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rafe98b99d9cb 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py: |
| 21:45.20 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: fix import statement |
| 21:45.20 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: again :-) thanks Ainulindale |
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| 21:51.41 | iperr1 | I'm trying to sort out the different distributions. Please correct me if I'm wrong: |
| 21:51.41 | iperr1 | 2007 and the gtk stack is more or less deprecated. |
| 21:51.41 | iperr1 | 2008 is an attempt to integrate qtopia into the whole software stack. |
| 21:51.41 | iperr1 | FSO uses both gtk and qtopia, but is not really targeted to be a fully-featured distribution. |
| 21:51.41 | iperr1 | Qtopia from Trolltech gives you a complete image, but isn't developed by openmoko. |
| 21:51.42 | iperr1 | Debian is well, debian. |
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| 21:52.06 | iperr1 | which stack do the openmoko guys envision as being the "one" that everybody should be using/targeting for apps? |
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| 21:53.00 | kd8ikt | i'm still using 2007.2 |
| 21:53.25 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: can you get gestures running on 2007.2? |
| 21:53.26 | mjr | mickeyl just came in to say it's FSO |
| 21:53.34 | kd8ikt | its pretty reliable with making/recieving calls |
| 21:53.52 | mjr | Anyway, yes, debian is debian, and packages FSO. Running it now :] |
| 21:53.53 | iperr1 | we should target FSO? |
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| 21:54.12 | kd8ikt | nah Zorkman neod still steals/locks the /dev/input/event* |
| 21:54.17 | lloyd_fedora | is there any updates for 2008.8 |
| 21:54.41 | mickeyl | well, the "problem" with FSO is that it doesn't force you into a widget set and high level services. it just defines and implements low level services, which gives you freedom, but not the cozy feeling of a full fledged application development framework. |
| 21:55.00 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: but you can install it? it always give errors about /usr/lib/libaccelneo.so.0 |
| 21:55.06 | kd8ikt | maybe if you start the gesture daemon before neod/X starts |
| 21:55.38 | kd8ikt | i havent tried |
| 21:55.39 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rea95d8e6471b 10/framework/config.py: compute install prefix |
| 21:55.42 | iperr1 | hmm, i see |
| 21:55.57 | iperr1 | are there plans to consolidate the distributions and provide a unified framework for devs? |
| 21:55.59 | Zorkman | http://pastebin.com/m43ca4b05 is the error i get kd8ikt |
| 21:56.05 | mickeyl | good question |
| 21:56.07 | mickeyl | tough question |
| 21:56.19 | mikef187 | FYI -- I have a channel for debian on openmoko --- #openmoko-debian |
| 21:56.22 | mickeyl | i have no idea about Openmoko's plans for that |
| 21:56.41 | iperr1 | it seems pretty difficult to make apps for the moko right now since it's not at all clear where the team plans to go with all the different distros |
| 21:57.01 | mickeyl | right now it looks as they only want to define the low level framework (FSO) and want people to explore every possible kind of direction on the upper levels |
| 21:57.18 | kd8ikt | couldnt hurt to make somethin that uses the freesmartphone dbus |
| 21:57.37 | mickeyl | yeah, as long as you talk low level dbus you're on the safe path future wise |
| 21:57.49 | mickeyl | but there's a lot of things to do on the application framework side |
| 21:57.51 | kd8ikt | or heavily clean/update zhone |
| 21:58.02 | mickeyl | and i have no idea whether this is the plan of Om Inc or not. |
| 21:58.09 | mickeyl | i've been toying with this UMAF idea |
| 21:58.24 | mickeyl | http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Untitled_Mobile_Application_Framework |
| 21:58.30 | mickeyl | but it might be a deadborn |
| 21:58.52 | mickeyl | as most FOSS people usually don't have the patience to design and go for UI concepts and usability |
| 21:58.55 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
| 21:59.20 | iperr1 | i hate designing guis |
| 21:59.39 | iperr1 | which i why i came hoping that there was some framework in place already for some distribution |
| 21:59.41 | mickeyl | yeah. which is why someone who knows their stuff should do that once and for all widgets :) |
| 21:59.57 | mickeyl | you can use Gtk+ now. |
| 22:00.01 | mickeyl | or Qtopia |
| 22:00.24 | iperr1 | that'll work in the meantime, i guess |
| 22:00.25 | mickeyl | or EFL |
| 22:00.25 | mickeyl | if that is enough of framework for you |
| 22:00.25 | mickeyl | (it's not...) |
| 22:03.46 | Infoport | Zorkman, kd8ikt - I installed this Gestures oackage, and it seemed nice. I havent trained it, and so a few directional gestures were off, but rotation was fine http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gestures |
| 22:05.04 | Zorkman | Infoport: did you install it on 2007.2? i always get these errors: http://pastebin.com/m43ca4b05 |
| 22:05.55 | kd8ikt | whynot just do a -force-overwrite? |
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| 22:06.13 | Infoport | Zorkman, he says you can try on any distro, but he recommends 2008.8 (where I am trying it) |
| 22:06.38 | Infoport | that is, you can *try* it on any distro :-P |
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| 22:06.58 | kd8ikt | here i'll try to install it with force-overwrite |
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| 22:09.49 | Infoport | Zorkman weird errors...like it was already there. I'll be interested to see what kd8ikt gets from forcing it |
| 22:10.05 | kd8ikt | didnt have to force it |
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| 22:10.26 | Infoport | kd8ikt and you didnt get any errors like Zorkman? |
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| 22:10.33 | kd8ikt | nope |
| 22:10.50 | kd8ikt | installed cleanly but event2 is still locked i think thats why it wont start |
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| 22:11.44 | kd8ikt | damn you gcwilson! |
| 22:11.59 | kd8ikt | fix your tubes |
| 22:12.02 | Infoport | kd8ikt, Zorkman: I'll have to look at its config files more, since the gestures are only proof-of-concept right now, BUT the rotation ability is great. It would be nice to enable only that part as a regular service (until the rest means more) |
| 22:12.32 | Infoport | sorry, I clogged the tubes (where is that internet plunger?) |
| 22:13.45 | kd8ikt | http://pastebin.com/d6c48ccad <-- found that on the mailing list |
| 22:13.46 | Tanuva | unless you don't train them, the other gestures don't seem to work anyway |
| 22:14.00 | Tanuva | so that's no problem |
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| 22:14.54 | kd8ikt | great to demo screen orientation changing via accelerometers |
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| 22:15.31 | Infoport | Tanuva: without training, I could do up, down and right-return, left-return reliably. The normal left, right, and Z were sometimes mistaken for others (still without training) |
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| 22:16.02 | Infoport | Tanuva but I would like to make it not pop up notifications, so I can just do rotation |
| 22:16.14 | kd8ikt | although i was thinking of changing upsidedown to turn off the backlight and lock it |
| 22:16.59 | Infoport | kd8ikt that Gestures page also has a bunch of idea for use cases, including turn over and leave still as dim-and-lock |
| 22:17.08 | Tanuva | Infoport: hmm, they didn't work for me at all, but I didn't try too hard anyway... if it's python code you could quite easily turn the notifications off... |
| 22:17.26 | kd8ikt | untill someones steals it caue its just sitting on the table |
| 22:17.30 | Infoport | kd8ikt the page says there is a bug with backlight though (dont know details) |
| 22:18.23 | Infoport | kd8ikt that's when MY event notifications tell me to get up and kick their ass! I would always be next to my Neo... |
| 22:19.44 | Infoport | kd8ikt if audio wasnt flaky, you could make it scream "Help! Help" if someone picked it up and didnt unlock or tap screen within 2 sec |
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| 22:21.16 | Infoport | kd8ikt is that only part of your code? it looks like it ends with open conditionals |
| 22:21.32 | Zorkman | it installed bu i adited the desktop file and it still doesn't show up :s |
| 22:22.00 | Zorkman | aha, utilities.... but i specified it as an Application.. strange |
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| 22:22.52 | Infoport | Zorkman it is prob better as a utility-- the Gestures desktop app is just for training it, and you have to run the daemon |
| 22:23.19 | Infoport | Zorkman I think too much is being put into Applications by default |
| 22:23.47 | Zorkman | It doesn't seem to register any gestures... |
| 22:24.25 | Zorkman | hexdump /dev/input/event2 gives me nothing |
| 22:24.54 | Infoport | oops...maybe it should yell when I drop it too. "Help help! I'm being repressed" |
| 22:25.08 | Zorkman | :) |
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| 22:26.53 | Zorkman | is going to get some sleep, goodnight everyone |
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| 22:52.18 | mikef187 | FYI New channel for debian openmoko #openmoko-debian |
| 23:03.21 | hossi | tha package that are in the installer in OM 2008 are the custom made for 2008? |
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| 23:04.28 | hossi | *the |
| 23:05.20 | hossi | or aren't there "more" programs? |
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| 23:11.23 | ab0oo | ab0oo's words of wisdon: Teenage daughters are God's revenge on you for being a man. |
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| 23:11.55 | donomo | amen to that |
| 23:12.07 | ab0oo | mmontour: are you still around for debian/FSO/bluetooth help |
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| 23:22.05 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07holger/org.openmoko.dev * re18e8474bf16 10/ (50 files in 30 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' into holger/org.openmoko.dev |
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| 23:23.05 | rwhitby | jadams_: see /msg re gta01 gllin tango |
| 23:23.40 | mmontour | ab0oo: just poke at the "power_on" and "reset" /sys files until the device shows up. Try in order: power=0, reset=1, power=1, reset=0 |
| 23:24.03 | ab0oo | will do. |
| 23:26.08 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rebce9f26ff05 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and push srcrev for asu update. battery theme changes, illume internal fixes |
| 23:26.08 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra5997566bc76 10/ (14 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 23:26.09 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rdc04f99d173a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: ompower - try race cond workaround. |
| 23:26.09 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rcd11152b4fbf 10/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
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| 23:26.25 | Flinx | is there any reason why I should not use Windows to connect to my FR? |
| 23:26.35 | russellb | you will open up a wormhole |
| 23:26.40 | russellb | and the FR will likely catch on fire |
| 23:26.44 | sevenhundred | Flinx, depends on what you want to do |
| 23:26.48 | ab0oo | just the same as all of the reasons you shouldn't use windows. |
| 23:27.09 | SUNWjoejaxx | Flinx: you can use vmware |
| 23:27.13 | Flinx | sevenhundred: just update it with stuff, I'm too lazy to change to my debian drive |
| 23:27.26 | SUNWjoejaxx | Flinx: use vmware ;) |
| 23:27.31 | Flinx | SUNWjoejaxx: I have Vbox ;) |
| 23:27.38 | sevenhundred | Flinx, I've found that dfu/util.exe works |
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| 23:27.43 | SUNWjoejaxx | Flinx: usb host pass through? |
| 23:27.52 | sevenhundred | dfu-util.exe* |
| 23:28.10 | sevenhundred | as well as putty |
| 23:28.20 | ab0oo | mmontour: no love. poke, poke, poke. I even added the "echo 3300 > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/voltage_ldo4" |
| 23:28.20 | Flinx | sevenhundred: I'm familiar withthe process, but wanted to check to see that windows wasn';t going to brick my phone |
| 23:28.25 | ab0oo | twice for good measure |
| 23:28.42 | sevenhundred | Flinx, it didn't brick mine :) |
| 23:28.51 | Flinx | Oh good :D |
| 23:29.08 | sevenhundred | (I did that myself) |
| 23:29.26 | Flinx | hehe |
| 23:29.39 | Flinx | yeah I was terrified yesterday when I flashed it for the first time. |
| 23:29.47 | ab0oo | am 3300 mV is the max you can set, according to the dmesg |
| 23:30.02 | Flinx | when it was over we both had a cigarette and enjoyed the afterglow ;) |
| 23:30.22 | russellb | yeah, I flash my FR using linux in vmware and it works great. |
| 23:30.39 | sevenhundred | Flinx, yeah, me too :) A few days later I got hubris and pretty much wrecked NAND |
| 23:30.45 | Flinx | whooops |
| 23:30.53 | Flinx | well this is a temporary thing |
| 23:31.06 | Flinx | like i said.. I'm just too lazy to log out of windows |
| 23:32.03 | Flinx | might be easier though... |
| 23:32.44 | Flinx | yeah..... I'm not going to mess with ANother wiki >.< |
| 23:32.48 | Flinx | I brb |
| 23:33.45 | mmontour | ab0oo: only other thing I can think of is that you're missing some kernel modules, but even without that I think you should see something in dmesg when the device powers on, e.g. usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using s3c2410-ohci and address 6 |
| 23:34.10 | ab0oo | I just booted back to 2008.8. I'll lsmod there, and see what makes it tick |
| 23:34.28 | ab0oo | and look for firmware in /lib/firmware |
| 23:35.32 | ab0oo | meh, 2008.8 uses a monolithic kernel. |
| 23:35.40 | ab0oo | the only module is ipv6 |
| 23:38.21 | cjb | Hm. opkg install gcc doesn't actually get me a gcc binary. |
| 23:38.37 | ab0oo | well, it works correctly onder 2008.8, so it's not a hardware problem. |
| 23:38.42 | ab0oo | that's good news |
| 23:39.03 | torindel | cjb: you'll get borked gcc anyway that way even if you install all required packages -__-; |
| 23:39.12 | cjb | torindel: oh, really? that sucks. :( |
| 23:39.14 | russellb | heh, why would you want to compile on the FR itself? |
| 23:39.31 | torindel | cjb: i.e. a lot of header editing required etc |
| 23:39.31 | cjb | russellb: because it's easier than learning how bitbake and openembedded work. |
| 23:39.52 | ab0oo | cjb: going to the dark side you are. |
| 23:40.06 | ab0oo | fear not the openembedded environment. |
| 23:40.10 | cjb | but I just have this 50 line .c file to compile :) |
| 23:40.23 | cjb | heads towards the emergency cross-compiler. |
| 23:40.28 | torindel | watches as catalyst produces his gentoo stage1 |
| 23:40.28 | russellb | heh, yeah |
| 23:40.32 | russellb | just download the toolchain |
| 23:40.32 | ab0oo | stronger you will become, if you face your fears. |
| 23:40.40 | russellb | no need for bitbake to compile one little app ... |
| 23:41.00 | cjb | ab0oo: not feeling like I have the time to learn bitbake/OE isn't the same thing as fearing them :) |
| 23:41.04 | ab0oo | download the toolchain you must. arm-linux-gcc is your friend. |
| 23:41.21 | ab0oo | I find bitbake to be absolutely terrifying. |
| 23:41.28 | russellb | stop speaking like yoda, you must. |
| 23:41.36 | torindel | ab0oo: or more like failed idea ;] |
| 23:41.36 | ab0oo | I arm-linux-gcc stuff all the time. |
| 23:42.31 | russellb | it's a compiler and a verb! |
| 23:42.38 | ab0oo | I still wish the oe guys would take notes from the OpenWRT guys. |
| 23:42.41 | torindel | (idea failed or more like it was) |
| 23:42.51 | ab0oo | the make menuconfig for openwrt is slicker than snail snot. |
| 23:44.05 | torindel | >>> Emerging (11 of 57) sys-devel/automake-wrapper-3-r1 to /tmp/stage1root/ |
| 23:47.13 | torindel | will have stage to share in the morning ;] |
| 23:49.02 | torindel | cjb: it got sane gcc toolchain on moko if you want too |
| 23:49.37 | hossi | are there plans when nex-generatoin openmoko-phone will arrive? |
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| 23:50.34 | torindel | hossi: nex-generatoin? |
| 23:50.42 | torindel | ;] |
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| 23:50.44 | hossi | next |
| 23:50.49 | hossi | generation |
| 23:50.56 | russellb | it will probably not be today |
| 23:51.13 | hossi | ruskie, you say :o |
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| 23:51.35 | torindel | hossi: it will be better if they redesign it a lot before releaseing ;] |
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