| 00:03.09 | retracile | python-unixadmin has the getpass module. |
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| 00:30.52 | matt_ | Flinx: regarding your sim issue, put the first 6 digits of each sim in the wiki. |
| 00:32.00 | Flinx | I just did |
| 00:32.41 | Flinx | :D |
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| 00:55.12 | kdubois | omgdebianonfreerunner |
| 00:55.25 | zash | kdubois: omgomgomg |
| 00:55.29 | zash | :D |
| 01:00.15 | benlake | how can I determine what kernel I booted? |
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| 01:00.23 | zash | benlake: uname -r |
| 01:00.53 | zash | benlake: and if that wont give you enough information, try uname -a |
| 01:01.00 | benlake | indeed |
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| 01:01.09 | benlake | now I'm just not sure what was on it before :P |
| 01:01.16 | linuxxr | can somebody pastbin this file for me /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf i trashed it |
| 01:01.27 | linuxxr | 2008.8 |
| 01:01.36 | benlake | is 2008.8 2.6.24? |
| 01:02.26 | mwester-laptop | benlake: they all use the same kernel, pretty much. |
| 01:02.46 | benlake | I _think_ I just flashed to 2008.8, how can I verify? |
| 01:02.54 | benlake | dmesg looks a lot different... |
| 01:03.02 | mwester-laptop | If it doesn't work, then it's probably 2008.8 |
| 01:03.07 | benlake | hehe |
| 01:03.08 | linuxxr | lolol |
| 01:03.28 | linuxxr | mine works somewhat untill i borked it |
| 01:04.04 | mwester-laptop | seriously, it'll have two rows of icons on the display, the images of which are just random bits of computer art having nothing at all to do with the labels beneath. |
| 01:04.21 | linuxxr | thats right |
| 01:04.32 | linuxxr | ramdom artwork |
| 01:04.37 | benlake | hmm, I'm missing something |
| 01:05.03 | linuxxr | maybe u got 20080808 |
| 01:05.14 | linuxxr | thats not the release |
| 01:05.16 | benlake | you flash to the 2008.8 kernel, but how do I get my phone to look like 2008.8, cause I still see what shipped which is the orange stuff |
| 01:05.35 | linuxxr | the rootfs has to be flashed |
| 01:05.40 | benlake | I pulled from openmoko.com/download, isn't that just a kernel? |
| 01:05.58 | benlake | oh sorry, I should say I just installed the kernel, not the rootfs... that would explain it |
| 01:06.00 | linuxxr | u just did the kernel an u cant see that |
| 01:06.21 | linuxxr | .jffs i think |
| 01:06.31 | linuxxr | is the rootfs |
| 01:06.34 | henkie | hmm, i cannot use pand with my computer (and the freerunner) |
| 01:06.42 | henkie | it reports "connection refused" |
| 01:07.02 | linuxxr | mwester u have your freerunner hooked to yo laptop? |
| 01:07.07 | henkie | i used passkey-agent for the pin's |
| 01:07.33 | linuxxr | /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf <~~~~~ i need acopy of this file |
| 01:07.47 | mwester-laptop | linuxxr: nope, it's in the other room on the desktop system. |
| 01:07.56 | linuxxr | i erased mine?) |
| 01:08.54 | linuxxr | rooly where are u? |
| 01:09.00 | mwester-laptop | src/gz daily-all http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all |
| 01:09.09 | mwester-laptop | (ssh works nicely) |
| 01:11.52 | mmaestri | i need to install python-pygtk, and that package says it needs gtk+, and opkg screams that gtk+ tries to install files already provided by gtk+-fastscaling |
| 01:12.11 | mmaestri | so...i cannot install python-pygtk. any suggestions? |
| 01:15.53 | TankC | That's lovely.. my latest build of FSO goes into standby mode during an active phone call |
| 01:16.57 | TankC | what's interesting is that I can resume the phone and the phone call will still be active :) |
| 01:18.43 | mwester-laptop | TankC: it's a feature. Just not quite working exactly right yet... |
| 01:21.48 | mmaestri | noone knows about this stupid thing about gtk+ and gtk+-fastcaling? |
| 01:22.16 | mwester-laptop | mmaestri: use the options to opkg to force the install without any dependencies. |
| 01:22.43 | mwester-laptop | It's probably just a mis-stated dependency. |
| 01:23.29 | mmaestri | -nodeps ? |
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| 01:33.33 | retracile | Has anyone attempted to build the Python Cryptography Toolkit for the FR? |
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| 01:37.23 | Sargun | Mind if I remove the "Speculations: This article or section documents a device that is not yet confirmed formally and the device (if even released) may differ from the specifications given here. This page is based on well educated guesses, not facts. " from: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/HXD8 |
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| 01:44.00 | mmu_man | doesn't beat Be,Inc. "forward looking statements" |
| 01:46.44 | ieatlint | damnit, what's the unix command to trim blank lines from a file? |
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| 01:48.02 | |kb3gtn| | I think you can use sed to do that.. |
| 01:49.56 | retracile | or grep -v '^$' |
| 01:50.53 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.02 | Sargun | mine's niftier looking! |
| 01:51.49 | iago-x86 | Lies, the grep is sexy! |
| 01:52.39 | ieatlint | it's going to bother me if i don't find it |
| 01:54.27 | SUNWjoejaxx | lol |
| 01:55.11 | Sargun | ieatlint, either of those commands will do it. |
| 01:55.14 | iago-x86 | I don't think there's any standard command for doing that, besides grep/sed sorcery |
| 01:56.13 | Sargun | ieatlint, alias noblanks="grep -v '^$'" |
| 01:56.25 | Sargun | then type noblanks < INFILE > OUTFILE |
| 01:57.30 | ieatlint | uniq -u does the task, but i swear i remember learning of a command that trimmed trailing/leading spaces and blank lines |
| 01:57.44 | ieatlint | you and your grep... no one uses grep |
| 01:59.29 | iago-x86 | ieatlint: Now I see the problem, you're just on crack! |
| 01:59.53 | ieatlint | nope |
| 02:00.16 | ieatlint | i'd be programming better if i were |
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| 02:00.24 | iago-x86 | Heh |
| 02:00.38 | henkie | does the battery charge in suspend mode? |
| 02:08.28 | ieatlint | it should |
| 02:08.40 | ieatlint | but at this point, all bets are off on anything working right :P |
| 02:09.04 | MadTBone | For those running Debian/FSO, how's the speed? Not boot speed, but response time, etc... |
| 02:11.41 | benlake | upgraded to 2008.8, still no /dev/mmcblk0p1 :( |
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| 02:22.57 | ieatlint | benlake: isn't p1 partition 1? |
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| 02:23.46 | ieatlint | yeah, the device is /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 02:23.56 | ieatlint | the partitions are then p1, p2, etc |
| 02:24.51 | benlake | indeed |
| 02:25.06 | ieatlint | so is there no mmcblk0? |
| 02:25.12 | benlake | I upgraded to 2008.8 to see if it would give me the device |
| 02:25.16 | benlake | correct |
| 02:26.03 | ieatlint | yeah, you've got a serious issue then |
| 02:26.22 | benlake | :( |
| 02:26.49 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader_commands#MMC.2FSD |
| 02:27.03 | ieatlint | go into the uboot console and try that... removes all chance it's the image you're using |
| 02:27.14 | ieatlint | if uboot can't see the card, then linux never will |
| 02:28.18 | benlake | ieatlint: the uboot image you linked to me earlier said v1.3.1, my phone says 1.3.2 when at the bootloader menu.. was your link actually newer? I have not flashed uboot since receiving the phone |
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| 02:28.45 | ieatlint | uh, it should say the version and then a compile date |
| 02:28.54 | ieatlint | i think the phones shipped with a may 9 date |
| 02:29.08 | ieatlint | a current one should be sometime in august |
| 02:29.28 | ieatlint | it's possible they regressed a version of uboot to better support the device, i dunno |
| 02:29.29 | rooly|away | bought an 8-gig card the other day |
| 02:29.36 | rooly|away | will be arriving when i get home |
| 02:29.55 | ieatlint | and make sure not to confuse nor and nand uboot -- if it's at all graphical, it's nor (it will say on the bootloader menu screen nor or nand) |
| 02:30.05 | rooly|away | alrighty, issue: the time sets itself incorrectly at every reboot |
| 02:30.13 | ieatlint | nor should only be used for flashing u-boot and in recovery operations |
| 02:30.29 | benlake | ieatlint: I've learned to recognize which I am in |
| 02:30.57 | ieatlint | benlake: it's not meant to belittle you, but i've learnt overkill is better than leaving people confused and afraid to ask :) |
| 02:31.03 | benlake | ieatlint: hrm, I just flashed the kernel and rootf of 2008.8 in NOR :| |
| 02:31.14 | ieatlint | benlake: that won't matter |
| 02:31.17 | ieatlint | you can use nor |
| 02:31.19 | benlake | ieatlint: oh I didn't take it as such, just letting you know I'm aware |
| 02:31.30 | benlake | ieatlint: totally |
| 02:31.50 | benlake | ieatlint: are there any u-boot images on downloads.openmoko.org? |
| 02:31.51 | ieatlint | nor is just outdated... it should work for most things, but it's generally better to sidestep potential problems that could arise using it |
| 02:32.53 | ieatlint | not to my knowledge... i just use the ones from the daily buildhost |
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| 02:33.08 | ieatlint | rooly|away: oh, and are you sure it's actually incorrectly setting the time, or never setting it correctly? |
| 02:33.28 | ieatlint | software clock and hardware clock normally sync on boot/shutdown, but not always |
| 02:33.43 | rooly|away | i can manually set the time, however, it looks like a time-zone issue |
| 02:33.49 | ieatlint | eg, run "hwclock && date" and see the skew |
| 02:34.40 | rooly|away | hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc' |
| 02:34.51 | ieatlint | that seems bad :P |
| 02:35.16 | ieatlint | try hwclock -f /dev/rtc |
| 02:35.35 | rooly|away | device busy |
| 02:35.56 | ieatlint | what are you running? |
| 02:35.59 | ieatlint | 2008.8? |
| 02:36.05 | rooly|away | i believe 2008.4 |
| 02:36.07 | rooly|away | not sure |
| 02:36.34 | rooly|away | my build host is cubie tho |
| 02:36.41 | ieatlint | anyway, it could be a hwclock issue or a timezone issue |
| 02:36.45 | rooly|away | version is still a git string |
| 02:36.53 | rooly|away | i think it's a timezone issue |
| 02:37.25 | rooly|away | cause it maintains the minutes |
| 02:37.36 | rooly|away | but the timezone is gone |
| 02:37.45 | rooly|away | restates: |
| 02:37.54 | rooly|away | it moves forward by several hours |
| 02:38.38 | rooly|away | aka 19:12 changed to 1:12 and it moved forward a day |
| 02:38.42 | ieatlint | okay, your mountain time, so you're gmt-6... |
| 02:38.48 | rooly|away | atm, -7 |
| 02:38.55 | rooly|away | -6 is central |
| 02:39.05 | ieatlint | interesting that the offset is 6 though, hehe |
| 02:39.14 | ieatlint | do you not do daylight saving? |
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| 02:39.24 | rooly|away | yeah, i do |
| 02:39.30 | ieatlint | then you're -6 |
| 02:39.38 | rooly|away | ic |
| 02:39.42 | ieatlint | central is -5 and eastern is -4 |
| 02:39.55 | baird | Anyone have a python+gtk introduction they'd recommend? I've spent the past several days trying to grok what google finds, in the hopes of GUIfying a curses-based gps/geocaching program... and I've just gotten nothing out of it. |
| 02:39.58 | benlake | ieatlint: I updated u-boot to Aug 13 build |
| 02:40.12 | rooly|away | it's a timezone issue then |
| 02:40.14 | rooly|away | gotta be |
| 02:40.17 | ieatlint | yep |
| 02:40.20 | ieatlint | it's reseting to utc |
| 02:40.37 | ieatlint | baird: http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/ |
| 02:40.39 | rooly|away | but the thing is, qtopia's clock maintains my timezone selection |
| 02:40.46 | rooly|away | just throws itself back to utc |
| 02:40.55 | ieatlint | baird: and http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/ |
| 02:41.22 | ieatlint | rooly|away: set /etc/localtime |
| 02:41.44 | baird | That's what I've wasted the last few days on.. :/ |
| 02:42.06 | ieatlint | gtk isn't known for being the simplest |
| 02:42.10 | rooly|away | ieatlint: how |
| 02:42.30 | rooly|away | thought of something |
| 02:42.42 | rooly|away | one could actually use the gps system for timekeeping, plus a timezone file |
| 02:42.48 | rooly|away | instead of relying on ntp |
| 02:43.06 | ieatlint | yeah, i keep waiting for someone to do that :P |
| 02:43.12 | Sargun | NTP is neat. |
| 02:43.16 | Sargun | GPS is neater. |
| 02:43.33 | benlake | ieatlint: "No MMC card found" :( super sad face |
| 02:43.33 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Timezone |
| 02:43.37 | Sargun | Dude, imagine if all the OM phones were stratum 0 time servers |
| 02:43.54 | ieatlint | benlake: yeah, small chance it's a bad card |
| 02:43.56 | TankC | hmmph... |
| 02:44.02 | ieatlint | benlake: how long ago did you buy it? |
| 02:44.05 | ieatlint | (the FR) |
| 02:44.16 | benlake | ieatlint: I heard rumors about the FR killing cards |
| 02:44.24 | benlake | ieatlint: 1-2 months |
| 02:44.30 | dbmoodb_ | Sargun: their wifi isn't that reliable so .. you plan to use usb ? |
| 02:44.36 | ieatlint | huh, i've not heart such rumours |
| 02:44.47 | baird | The pygtk.org docs are like trying to teach you valence chemistry, when you only want to bake a cake.. :/ |
| 02:44.53 | ieatlint | well, i would post to the mailing list, explain the problem and what you've tried |
| 02:44.59 | dbmoodb_ | baird: they are not rumours they happen when you suspend .. i think |
| 02:45.00 | benlake | ieatlint: guess I'll plug the SD card into something else and see if its usable |
| 02:45.02 | ieatlint | openmoko guys and a lot smarter/informed people read it |
| 02:45.17 | ieatlint | dbmoodb_: that corrupts the data on the card, it doesn't kill it |
| 02:45.31 | dbmoodb_ | sure -- doesn't kill -- my bad working :( |
| 02:45.57 | dbmoodb_ | ieatlint: if there is a fix for the corruption that would be cool -- think that will be possible with a newer u-boot perhaps or the newer kernel |
| 02:46.16 | Sargun | dbmoodb_, GSM! ;-P |
| 02:46.24 | ieatlint | dbmoodb_: i think it was a kernel issue |
| 02:46.28 | ieatlint | not sure if it's fixed |
| 02:46.29 | Sargun | I wonder if you could ever use the GSM (voice) for data |
| 02:46.41 | ieatlint | Sargun: you can |
| 02:46.44 | dbmoodb_ | Sargun: that's not a good ntp server then |
| 02:46.45 | ieatlint | 14.4k or something |
| 02:46.58 | rooly|away | just like a dialup modem |
| 02:47.04 | ieatlint | yep |
| 02:47.05 | rooly|away | ok... |
| 02:47.08 | file | CSD, circuit switched data |
| 02:47.12 | rooly|away | well the tzdata packages are already there |
| 02:47.26 | benlake | ieatlint: the card is fine :| |
| 02:47.48 | ieatlint | benlake: you didn't try and solder on that 10pF cap, did you? |
| 02:48.18 | Sargun | dbmoodb_, True. |
| 02:48.25 | Sargun | ieatlint, interesting. |
| 02:48.34 | benlake | ieatlint: hahahah, I just flashed stuff for the first time. I don't think I'll ever have a soldering iron to this thing |
| 02:48.36 | Sargun | ieatlint, I wonder if it would be cheaper to use it as a dial up modem |
| 02:48.42 | Sargun | ieatlint, or GPRS |
| 02:48.53 | dbmoodb_ | ah how does one turn the gps on .. in debian |
| 02:48.55 | ieatlint | Sargun: gprs almost certainly |
| 02:49.06 | rooly|away | disagrees |
| 02:49.14 | Sargun | ieatlint, Are you sure? How much data can you send over GSM in a minute? |
| 02:49.27 | rooly|away | sure, dialup modem may be slower and it would eat up your minutes |
| 02:49.29 | ieatlint | Sargun: in gprs? |
| 02:49.35 | ieatlint | ~300kb |
| 02:49.38 | Sargun | no |
| 02:49.38 | Sargun | in voice. |
| 02:49.48 | ieatlint | uhm, 14k.. so like 1.8*60 |
| 02:49.54 | rooly|away | but a person not on a data plan pays ~.1USD per kilobyte |
| 02:50.01 | Sargun | 14 kilobits right? |
| 02:50.03 | ieatlint | $0.01 |
| 02:50.26 | rooly|away | ieatlint: at&t charges 10 cents |
| 02:50.28 | ieatlint | so that'd be like 100kb/min for 14.4k |
| 02:50.29 | rooly|away | knows |
| 02:50.36 | zedstar_ | u can send a lot of data if u encode it clever |
| 02:50.37 | ieatlint | rooly|away: then your provider sucks :P |
| 02:50.39 | rooly|away | ...38 megabytes |
| 02:50.42 | rooly|away | your telling me |
| 02:50.48 | ieatlint | i'm on tmo |
| 02:50.57 | ieatlint | i pay $20/mo for unlimited data |
| 02:51.06 | ieatlint | i'm allowed to tether, i get a routeable ip... |
| 02:51.10 | Sargun | ieatlint, it would be about equal |
| 02:51.14 | rooly|away | hates ieatlint right now |
| 02:51.20 | Sargun | hates ieatlint |
| 02:51.20 | benlake | ieatlint: so am I screw-ED? |
| 02:51.28 | zedstar_ | unfortunately people send xml over the wire |
| 02:51.32 | benlake | loves ieatlint |
| 02:51.35 | ieatlint | benlake: post on the mailing list... |
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| 02:51.43 | TankC | I also pay $20 for unlimited data |
| 02:51.48 | ieatlint | you'll get the attention of people who can act to try and solve the issue |
| 02:51.57 | Sargun | I need a business plan that supports GPRs |
| 02:51.58 | TankC | that's on top of a $30 monthly plan |
| 02:51.59 | Sargun | GPRS |
| 02:52.04 | Sargun | err, unlimited GPRs |
| 02:52.10 | Sargun | and they usually cost of hell of a lot. |
| 02:52.15 | ieatlint | michael shiloh is pretty good about helping people with this kind of stuff, and he's an actual OM employee |
| 02:52.17 | dbmoodb_ | ah anyone ? |
| 02:52.38 | ieatlint | Sargun: my plan is intended for business people |
| 02:52.43 | ieatlint | it's the "vpn" plan |
| 02:52.49 | benlake | ieatlint: which list? |
| 02:52.53 | benlake | support? |
| 02:52.55 | ieatlint | (the non-vpn costs the same, but you get a 10.x.x.x ip) |
| 02:53.09 | ieatlint | benlake: support or community... community is kinda de facto support, and has more people |
| 02:53.16 | rooly|away | i wonder... |
| 02:53.35 | rooly|away | is the gprs activated by terminal only? |
| 02:53.48 | rooly|away | or are there apps to do it |
| 02:53.51 | ieatlint | the plan also works on edge, 3g, and i get access to all tmobile hotspots in the US, all hotspots in starbacks in the US, and discounts on tmobile hotspots abroad |
| 02:53.57 | Sargun | ieatlint, I need a plan that guarantees reachability |
| 02:54.10 | Sargun | does FIC actually make any money of this thing? |
| 02:54.12 | TankC | ieatlint: that's really nice |
| 02:54.12 | Sargun | I hope so. |
| 02:54.15 | ieatlint | $0.015/kb for gprs/edge/3g when roaming |
| 02:54.34 | TankC | ieatlint: how much is the total monthly bill? |
| 02:54.34 | rooly|away | tests the time thing |
| 02:54.36 | rooly|away | note |
| 02:54.44 | rooly|away | i rebooted my phone at 20:52 |
| 02:54.50 | ieatlint | TankC: that's just a data plan, $20/mo |
| 02:55.11 | Sargun | on EVDO I do something like 7 G a month _easily_ |
| 02:55.24 | ieatlint | well, evdo is a bit faster at the moment |
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| 02:55.28 | TankC | ieatlint: I know, but is that by itself or thrown on top of a monthly contract? |
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| 02:55.44 | ieatlint | even when 3g arrives here for tmobile, it'll only pull ~700kbit i'm told |
| 02:56.00 | ieatlint | TankC: on top of a monthly contract, although they have data-only plans |
| 02:56.18 | TankC | How much are you paying over all? |
| 02:56.20 | ieatlint | my overall monthly phone bill is $200, but i have a bunch of stuff on it, including 4 phone lines |
| 02:56.27 | TankC | Ahh |
| 02:56.58 | TankC | AT&T's package was the cheapest I could find around here for unlimited gprs communication |
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| 02:57.07 | ieatlint | $40/mo for the data plan i just quoted with no sms/voice |
| 02:57.07 | TankC | including 3G |
| 02:57.38 | ieatlint | 3g isn't charged separately with tmobile (at least, it isn't now)... they just lump it all as "data" |
| 02:57.46 | TankC | Yeah, same here |
| 02:58.20 | ieatlint | when tmobile finally gets 3g out here, i'm getting a hspda/umts dongle |
| 02:58.34 | rooly|away | yup |
| 02:58.36 | rooly|away | 2:57 |
| 02:58.53 | TankC | I'm sad the FR doesn't have HSDPA support |
| 02:58.58 | rooly|away | ieatlint: and plug it into your fr, right? |
| 02:59.08 | ieatlint | rooly|away: maybe, i'll see |
| 02:59.16 | ieatlint | for my laptop is the bigger issue :P |
| 02:59.36 | rooly|away | is waiting for the gsm to connect |
| 02:59.47 | rooly|away | if it doesn't correct the time, we'll see |
| 02:59.50 | Sargun | TankC, just wait. |
| 03:00.11 | ieatlint | evdo is the best, but you pay out your ass for it |
| 03:00.19 | TankC | Sargun, wait for what? |
| 03:01.56 | TankC | I would think that adding HSDPA support now might be difficult, unless OM releases an updated version |
| 03:02.18 | ieatlint | hspda has no eta at all for an OM device |
| 03:02.24 | ieatlint | they're hoping for edge in the gta03 |
| 03:02.56 | Sargun | for EDGE |
| 03:03.19 | Sargun | HSDPA wont come in to play |
| 03:03.22 | Sargun | for a couple yearsa |
| 03:03.35 | TankC | That's a major bummer |
| 03:03.50 | Sargun | TankC, are you in the US |
| 03:03.56 | TankC | yes |
| 03:04.31 | Sargun | Do you have HSDPA coverage |
| 03:05.05 | TankC | Yeah, on my other phone I get between 1.5-2Mbit connection speeds |
| 03:05.34 | ieatlint | hsdpa also has issues in that att uses one set of bands, tmobile-US uses another set, and the rest of the world uses a third set |
| 03:05.47 | ieatlint | two versions of the phone is one thing :P |
| 03:06.12 | dbmoodb_ | hi ah anyone got gpsworking on the fr ? |
| 03:06.14 | ieatlint | 3 versions... with 3g only working in one specific US market or not in the US at all is ... difficult |
| 03:06.15 | dbmoodb_ | (on debian) |
| 03:06.31 | dbmoodb_ | i think i'm getting some data... will know if a few mins.. |
| 03:06.39 | ieatlint | so hah, take that rest of the world, we're screwing you over again! |
| 03:06.39 | TankC | interesting |
| 03:07.06 | Sargun | TankC, where are you, an airport? |
| 03:07.34 | TankC | Sargun, I was getting those speeds in Berkeley, CA |
| 03:07.37 | Sargun | oh |
| 03:07.39 | Sargun | Wow. |
| 03:07.45 | Sargun | Are you in the bay area? |
| 03:07.51 | TankC | On the 4th level of a dorm building |
| 03:07.57 | TankC | Not currently |
| 03:07.58 | dbmoodb_ | i'm (cat /dev/ttySAC0 ) and its not working |
| 03:08.01 | Sargun | Ah. |
| 03:08.04 | Sargun | Where are you now |
| 03:08.09 | dbmoodb_ | he is stalking you |
| 03:08.17 | Sargun | dbmoodb_, you have to turn it on |
| 03:08.20 | ieatlint | tahoe? |
| 03:08.22 | Sargun | in /sys first |
| 03:08.31 | ieatlint | Sargun: you in the bay area? |
| 03:08.35 | TankC | Fresno, CA... I'm also getting HSDPA here but it's about half of what I was getting in the bay area |
| 03:08.36 | dbmoodb_ | Sargun: i did that |
| 03:08.42 | ieatlint | oh, no, fresno... how sad |
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| 03:08.48 | ieatlint | i'm sorry tankc |
| 03:08.53 | TankC | I know :( |
| 03:09.13 | Sargun | ieatlint, possibly. |
| 03:09.19 | Sargun | Fresno sucks. |
| 03:09.21 | ieatlint | i'm in sf |
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| 03:09.25 | Sargun | I'm in east bay |
| 03:09.34 | TankC | I hear sf gets shitty 3G reception |
| 03:09.35 | Sargun | TankC, you coming back down here any time soon? |
| 03:09.37 | ieatlint | ah.. |
| 03:09.40 | dbmoodb_ | echo 1 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron |
| 03:09.55 | ieatlint | TankC: seeing as tmo has no 3g reception outside of manhattan, i wouldn't know |
| 03:09.57 | Sargun | ieatlint, I commute to SJC daily |
| 03:10.05 | TankC | Sargun, I'll be in Oakland the weekend of September 5th |
| 03:10.13 | ieatlint | tsa? |
| 03:10.37 | Sargun | Transportation security agency? |
| 03:11.01 | TankC | ieatlint: AT&T's 3G that is |
| 03:11.26 | ieatlint | yeah, i'm just curious why you commute to the airport daily |
| 03:11.32 | ieatlint | terrorist maybe? :P |
| 03:11.47 | dbmoodb_ | ieatlint: that would be to obvious |
| 03:11.55 | ieatlint | i happen to have a DHS whistle in case... some DHS tech at linuxworld was handing them out |
| 03:12.00 | dbmoodb_ | he is doing illegal maffia related things |
| 03:12.10 | ieatlint | there's no mafia in california |
| 03:12.12 | TankC | this chat is now being logged by 20 government anti-terrorist servers |
| 03:12.46 | TankC | I really wanted to go to linuxworld :( |
| 03:12.52 | TankC | I enjoyed Google's IO conference |
| 03:12.56 | dbmoodb_ | TankC: damn right -- just wait till we get all the goodie linux kernel modules so we can really start hacking hardware |
| 03:12.58 | ieatlint | ok, then i'll continue with my lecture on how you can smuggle liquid explosives onto planes by draining laptop li-ion batteries and refilling them |
| 03:13.01 | dbmoodb_ | that link up via usb |
| 03:13.21 | dbmoodb_ | ieatlint: .... why bother some dell's just explode |
| 03:13.22 | Sargun | ieatlint, I have seen tests where portable electronic devices |
| 03:13.32 | Sargun | have basically been blown up |
| 03:13.44 | Sargun | by either causing way too much back voltage, or shorts |
| 03:13.49 | Sargun | or some other interesting failures |
| 03:14.32 | ieatlint | airport security is like a placebo effect |
| 03:14.42 | ieatlint | it's more evident than it is effective... makes you feel safer |
| 03:15.06 | rooly|away | not i |
| 03:15.09 | ieatlint | ok, i need to go take a shower |
| 03:15.16 | ieatlint | bbl |
| 03:15.22 | rooly|away | i think of every single way i can muck up their "security" when i do see it |
| 03:15.33 | Sargun | rooly|away, me too. |
| 03:15.40 | Sargun | rooly|away, its probably not a good thing |
| 03:16.42 | Sargun | I was thinking the FR would be a great device for terrorists |
| 03:16.55 | Sargun | or the HXD8 |
| 03:17.25 | Sargun | I mean, the HXD8 - |
| 03:17.30 | Sargun | -Great GPS reception |
| 03:17.35 | Sargun | -Great GPRS reception |
| 03:17.43 | Sargun | -Free GPIOs |
| 03:17.46 | Sargun | -Lots of room |
| 03:17.50 | Sargun | -Lots of battery power |
| 03:17.54 | rooly|away | kaboom? |
| 03:18.11 | TankC | where are the latest uBoot images stored at? |
| 03:18.13 | Sargun | I mean, you could track someone, record their voice, and then blow them up. |
| 03:19.32 | TankC | or do I need to compile them?> |
| 03:20.33 | TankC | nm, found it |
| 03:20.37 | Sargun | where at? |
| 03:22.45 | TankC | Well I thought I found it, but the wiki seems to be misleading again |
| 03:23.05 | TankC | The latest bootloader binary builds can be found under http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/ in the subdirectory [device]/200808/[date]/. |
| 03:23.17 | TankC | but the binaries for the bootloader are not there |
| 03:23.24 | TankC | just the rootfs and kernel |
| 03:24.12 | TankC | oh.. maybe they are |
| 03:24.16 | TankC | just not under the latest data |
| 03:24.19 | TankC | date |
| 03:24.36 | TankC | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/ |
| 03:25.04 | TankC | hmm |
| 03:25.10 | Sargun | neato. |
| 03:25.28 | TankC | I'm guessing the gta2v# is the hardware revision? |
| 03:25.35 | TankC | How do I tell what hardware revision I have? |
| 03:26.00 | linuxxr | can /will somebody pastebin this file for me~~~~~~~~~> /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf? |
| 03:26.15 | linuxxr | what goes inthere? |
| 03:26.36 | TankC | for which distro? |
| 03:27.03 | linuxxr | 2008.8 |
| 03:27.50 | TankC | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz |
| 03:27.55 | TankC | download that and untar it |
| 03:27.58 | TankC | should be there |
| 03:28.07 | TankC | Oh... wait |
| 03:28.09 | TankC | don't do that |
| 03:28.17 | linuxxr | copy paste |
| 03:28.26 | deever | i can't even ping the qtopia OM over usb |
| 03:28.32 | linuxxr | paste,bin will work for me |
| 03:28.42 | deever | what's the matter? :( |
| 03:28.42 | linuxxr | its a conf file |
| 03:28.51 | linuxxr | i borked it |
| 03:28.55 | AntonTakk | deever: first boot after flash? |
| 03:29.00 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.10 | deever | AntonTakk: no |
| 03:29.22 | TankC | deever: I couldn't do that either with FSO, I had to enable the usb0 connection within the console |
| 03:29.26 | TankC | ifconfig usb0 up |
| 03:29.38 | TankC | and then ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 |
| 03:30.06 | linuxxr | fso is too cool |
| 03:30.47 | TankC | Yes, yes it is |
| 03:30.51 | AntonTakk | yes, fso is very nice |
| 03:31.10 | TankC | I can't wait for SHR to come along |
| 03:31.12 | linuxxr | in the zhone |
| 03:31.31 | AntonTakk | actually inspired me to finally pick up a python book :) |
| 03:31.39 | linuxxr | big icons |
| 03:31.51 | linuxxr | yea |
| 03:32.21 | TankC | Does anyone know the easiest way to make python applications appear on the home menu for FSO? |
| 03:32.54 | AntonTakk | TankC: create an appropriate .desktop file for them in /usr/share/applications |
| 03:32.55 | deever | TankC: well, at least this is not the problem here... |
| 03:33.03 | linuxxr | what are there no 2008.8 people here? |
| 03:33.04 | deever | i'll check the route |
| 03:33.29 | linuxxr | can /will somebody pastebin this file for me~~~~~~~~~> /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf? |
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| 03:33.37 | rwhitby | TankC: line 133 of http://git.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=blob;f=packages/images/fso-image.bb;h=5495af9e1cef53e53f4d0700b002ceee948ca582;hb=HEAD |
| 03:33.38 | linuxxr | 2008.8 |
| 03:33.40 | AntonTakk | linuxxr: i'm about to leave qtopia (again, haven't really decided between fso and 2008.8 |
| 03:33.55 | linuxxr | have u tried fso |
| 03:34.09 | AntonTakk | yeah, used it as my daily phone for a couple weeks |
| 03:34.15 | linuxxr | ok |
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| 03:34.28 | linuxxr | i was gonna say go do it now |
| 03:34.42 | AntonTakk | some minor (mostly graphical) glitches, and very light on functionality atm, but good otherwise |
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| 03:35.01 | TankC | I'm making a twitter client for FSO |
| 03:35.05 | baird | The keyboard in FSO is the best of any so far, imho.. |
| 03:35.11 | Sargun | ooh |
| 03:35.22 | Sargun | QNX on the FR would be neat. |
| 03:35.25 | linuxxr | i think 2008.8 is the best option even though it takes some more work |
| 03:35.27 | Sargun | or VxWorks |
| 03:35.34 | TankC | I'm just sad the FR has no camera :/ |
| 03:35.40 | Sargun | Is there a good FSO image? |
| 03:35.41 | AntonTakk | TankC: i kinda wanted to start a pim app using ptthon-etk |
| 03:35.56 | TankC | Sargun, Milestone II is the best |
| 03:35.59 | AntonTakk | Sargun: milestone 2 |
| 03:36.24 | TankC | AntonTakk: that would be nice |
| 03:36.28 | linuxxr | well buy a 5 meg camera an when the 15 meg cameras come out u will have saved yourself some moola |
| 03:36.36 | linuxxr | ;) |
| 03:37.10 | roh | mpixels aren whats important |
| 03:37.14 | AntonTakk | TankC: the gta03 is planned (curently, anyways) to have a camera |
| 03:37.39 | TankC | I'm wondering if I could hack a small webcam onto the device since the USB port supports host mode |
| 03:37.39 | roh | its optics. which needs physical space. which means: ther will not ever be a phone with a decent cam soon' |
| 03:37.59 | linuxxr | my point exactly |
| 03:38.02 | roh | quality lenses just need to much diameter and thickness. |
| 03:38.03 | Sargun | linuxxr, They already have 15+ megapixel |
| 03:38.14 | linuxxr | yea but do u? |
| 03:38.15 | deever | that's very strange...i've accidentally added an "Ethernet connection".. |
| 03:38.21 | baird | TankC: like the PSP camera? |
| 03:38.25 | AntonTakk | roh: maybe sooner than you think - seen where they made an image sensor modeled after the human eye - very good quality off very few mp |
| 03:38.28 | Sargun | I have a 12.8 |
| 03:38.30 | TankC | baird: yes, very similiar |
| 03:38.39 | roh | mpixels isnt the importan think.. anything from 3-5mpixels and up is ok (with the more pixels even are worse sometimes when it comes to noise) |
| 03:38.47 | linuxxr | wow |
| 03:39.10 | deever | ...at the same time i've removed this, the FR was pingable over usb! |
| 03:39.25 | roh | AntonTakk still a optics problem. and the human eye is nothing like a cam. even when you move it to a physical more similar model. the eyes 'scan' |
| 03:39.50 | roh | they wiggle and increase resolution by 'more noisy data samples' |
| 03:39.51 | deever | then, unfortunately, the whole system crashed! :o |
| 03:40.02 | AntonTakk | roh: yeah, they figured use the human inability to hold the phone absolutely still to replace the scanning |
| 03:40.05 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * re01949429bfd 10/opimd/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 03:40.05 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Various cleanups |
| 03:40.05 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Break .PIM.Sources up into .Sources and .Source |
| 03:40.20 | linuxxr | please post a file fore me |
| 03:40.36 | roh | AntonTakk so yes, with extreme powers of dsp signal processing you could propably replicate this, but that still would eat power like no mobile device can supply |
| 03:40.50 | linuxxr | /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf 2008.8 |
| 03:40.53 | dbmoodb_ | anyone on fso / debian got the gps going -- mines being sending me nothnig for a bit now.. |
| 03:41.00 | ieatlint | nice, i just plugged my headset into my phone, and my phone immediately died |
| 03:41.15 | TankC | that's always nice |
| 03:41.16 | TankC | heh |
| 03:41.19 | AntonTakk | roh: would only need to do it while taking the picture thou, a bad image is good enough to aim by |
| 03:41.23 | roh | AntonTakk but one would still need the 2-3cm diameter of optics (depth) |
| 03:41.53 | roh | its not only that. the eye is a dynamic optic.. it can focus things no cam can do currently |
| 03:41.58 | linuxxr | mini usb dongle cam |
| 03:42.09 | roh | and has a very wide sensitivity range (think of tunnels) |
| 03:43.16 | dbmoodb_ | wait nevermind i'm an idiot its /dev/ttySAC1 not 0 |
| 03:43.21 | roh | so yes.. can be.. that some time a phone like the N95 in case-size could make decent pics... but now? not. cheap? not. chips and parts available in numbers for realistiv pricing? not. means we stay with simple default phone-cams for gta03 *sigh* |
| 03:43.29 | dbmoodb_ | and it works perfectly |
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| 03:50.38 | linuxxr | http://www.ezbuyworld.com/product_info.php?products_id=1404 |
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| 03:50.58 | benlake | does Qtopia support wifi? |
| 03:51.15 | AntonTakk | roh: i had no delutions of that type of cam in gta03, afaik no one is even talking about mass production yet, but still, if the tech can be shrunk enough to make it's single lense fit decently in a phone, it could work wonders |
| 03:51.35 | AntonTakk | benlake: not via gui as of the last time i tried |
| 03:51.36 | pjz | howdy all |
| 03:51.50 | roh | AntonTakk just forget anything which isnt readly buyable now. |
| 03:52.23 | roh | even the omap from the beagleboard cannot be bought in numbers in the bugfixed revision at all yet. |
| 03:52.26 | benlake | AntonTakk: awe. I heard something about the USB ethernet not there either? |
| 03:52.45 | aggtrfrad | <benlake> it only supports open networks (no encryption), but still is buggy |
| 03:52.59 | benlake | hmm, qtopia seems to have locked up on the timezone setting screen |
| 03:53.12 | AntonTakk | benlake: i think you have to reboot it a time or two before usb net works (wierd, i know) |
| 03:53.24 | pjz | is FSOm2 being updated? |
| 03:53.28 | benlake | AntonTakk: fairnough |
| 03:54.27 | AntonTakk | pjz: trac.freesmartphone.org/roadmap current status always on that page :) |
| 03:57.40 | LetoTo | does anyone know where the .eet map format comes from? |
| 03:58.14 | AntonTakk | i assume this is for tango or diversity? |
| 03:58.50 | pjz | AntonTakk: well, sure, but are the repos that it points at being updated was my question |
| 03:59.13 | linuxxr | we need the sdcard to be accesseble outside |
| 03:59.42 | LetoTo | AntonTakk: yeah, i want to add maps of some cities |
| 04:00.05 | LetoTo | the packages just contain files from http://people.openmoko.org/olv/diversity/20080430/ |
| 04:00.08 | AntonTakk | pjz: i'm really not sure |
| 04:00.10 | LetoTo | but no clue on how they were made |
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| 04:00.48 | pjz | AntonTakk: nright now I've got qtopia in flash and FOm2 on sd card... is qtopia still 'stablest' for use as a real phone? or is 2008.8 there now? |
| 04:01.17 | deever | is there a way to install zsh or vim on the (qtopia) freerunner? |
| 04:01.34 | AntonTakk | pjz: personally, i found 2008.8/ASU/what ever stable and useable as of 7/15 |
| 04:01.55 | pjz | deever: the angstrom feed has vim |
| 04:02.19 | pjz | AntonTakk: oh? hmm.. I'll have to check that out |
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| 04:03.07 | benlake | Ah! Qtopia sees the SD card! |
| 04:03.19 | Sargun | excellent |
| 04:03.45 | benlake | why does Om2008.8 fail me!? |
| 04:03.45 | Sargun | why not? |
| 04:03.50 | deever | pjz: huh? |
| 04:03.51 | ieatlint | yay benlake ! |
| 04:04.56 | benlake | ieatlint: yeah that is good news and bad :P |
| 04:05.05 | ieatlint | i see nothing bad |
| 04:05.29 | ieatlint | 2008.8 is fucked up.. this we already know |
| 04:05.49 | LetoTo | 2008.8 works for me (though not testing calling, but did test sms) |
| 04:06.27 | ieatlint | the microwave scared the cat |
| 04:06.41 | Sargun | uhm |
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| 04:08.20 | LetoTo | well, and soemtimes the screen never unblanks :) |
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| 04:09.19 | Sargun | LetoTo, that was -really- random |
| 04:09.40 | LetoTo | Sargun: eh? |
| 04:10.01 | deever | pjz: sorry...i'm on qtopia |
| 04:12.07 | LetoTo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Locations#Create_Offline_Maps would work i guess, assuming i could have wifi+gps working at the same time :) |
| 04:12.38 | benlake | wow, qtopia is annoying :P stable, but annoying |
| 04:13.00 | TankC | How stable is WiFi in FSO? |
| 04:13.00 | rooly|away | is LOVING the illume keyboard |
| 04:13.09 | benlake | oh, there is the keyboard :P |
| 04:13.19 | benlake | with backspace, how nice |
| 04:13.50 | TankC | benlake: all of the keyboards have backspace |
| 04:13.51 | rooly|away | slide from right to left on the "default" keyboard to use backspace |
| 04:13.59 | rooly|away | or hell, on the keyboard |
| 04:14.08 | benlake | TankC: where it be on the pure letter board? |
| 04:14.30 | LetoTo | TankC: with 2008.8 wifi scanning works, but i cannot seem to select any network (open or with wpa) |
| 04:14.39 | TankC | benlake: like rooly said, swipe your finger from right to left across the keyboard |
| 04:14.42 | benlake | rooly|away: didn't seem to work for me, it did a cut and paste |
| 04:14.49 | rooly|away | sighs |
| 04:14.54 | rooly|away | ... |
| 04:14.57 | rooly|away | err |
| 04:15.07 | benlake | rooly|away: sighing didn't work either :P but I'll give it another go |
| 04:15.29 | rooly|away | anywho, anyone else have trouble with the dialer being really slow for the first 10 minuts or so after boot? |
| 04:16.10 | TankC | rooly|away: I noticed that right now |
| 04:16.25 | TankC | takes forever to acquire signal, too |
| 04:16.48 | rooly|away | if you follow the wiki page for gprs, you can aquire a signal in less than 2 minutes |
| 04:16.56 | rooly|away | i'm getting 10-30 seconds right here |
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| 04:17.28 | rooly|away | however, i'm going to test it first |
| 04:18.06 | kdubois | has anyone gotten SMS messaging to work with the fso? would getting a bleeding edge version work? i'm on milestone2 now |
| 04:19.18 | deever | anyone here who has the zsh running on the freerunner? |
| 04:21.15 | Sargun | maybe |
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| 04:32.22 | TankC | awww SHIT USB is no longer being recognized by my desktop |
| 04:33.10 | Shlee | Can the openmoko been updated with a windows box? |
| 04:33.17 | TankC | Yes |
| 04:33.39 | TankC | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util-windows |
| 04:34.13 | ieatlint | TankC: are you running windows? |
| 04:34.18 | TankC | No, Linux |
| 04:34.29 | ieatlint | does dmesg say something about rejecting configurations? |
| 04:34.47 | TankC | ieatlint: no, nothing shows up at all when I plug in the FR |
| 04:34.57 | TankC | I'm tailing /var/log/messages right now |
| 04:35.08 | TankC | but my UPS still shows up just fine when I plug/unplug it |
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| 04:35.20 | TankC | rebooted the FR, nothing |
| 04:35.28 | TankC | df-utils isn't seeing it |
| 04:35.40 | ieatlint | is it plugged into a hub or directly into the computer? |
| 04:35.40 | TankC | dfu-util* |
| 04:35.47 | TankC | directly into the computer |
| 04:35.59 | ieatlint | that indeed sounds bad, heh |
| 04:36.08 | ieatlint | try rebooting the desktop is all one could suggest |
| 04:36.08 | TankC | I'm tempted to reload the drivers but my keyboard and mouse are USB |
| 04:36.14 | TankC | yeah, I'll do that now |
| 04:36.16 | TankC | brb |
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| 04:36.28 | rooly|away | needs to find a usb-micro usb converter |
| 04:36.51 | ieatlint | usb-micro? who uses that even? |
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| 04:39.39 | ieatlint | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8548 3 foot standard usb to microusb cable |
| 04:39.48 | ieatlint | $6... not going to beat that |
| 04:39.53 | TankC | NO!! on FR bootup I see a "usb0 -- no such device" |
| 04:40.47 | TankC | ieatlint: iofast.com has $0.25 3ft usb->microusb cables |
| 04:41.30 | ieatlint | impressive |
| 04:41.54 | TankC | they might be more now... last time I used them was around a year ago |
| 04:42.33 | ieatlint | i've never seen a device using them |
| 04:43.07 | TankC | Thank god! |
| 04:43.11 | TankC | It's FSO's fault |
| 04:43.39 | TankC | I wonder if it doesn't like me mixing the latest kernel with the milestone 2 rootfs |
| 04:43.47 | Sargun | Blame the FSO! |
| 04:44.43 | rwhitby | TankC: milestone 2 rootfs is not compatible with latest kernel, due to missing gadget usb modules |
| 04:44.58 | rwhitby | blame updating the kernel and not the corresponding modules in the rootfs |
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| 04:45.34 | TankC | rwhitby: aha |
| 04:46.40 | rooly|away | i mean a converter for a standard male usb jack to a standard fr-compatible jack |
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| 04:47.20 | ieatlint | that's miniusb |
| 04:47.25 | rooly|away | miniusb |
| 04:47.26 | rooly|away | sory |
| 04:47.28 | rooly|away | *sorry |
| 04:47.35 | rooly|away | i don't know the damned terminology |
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| 04:48.15 | TankC | Isn't it technically known as USB mini-C? |
| 04:48.32 | ieatlint | oh, it's like everything else, there are 50 names for it |
| 04:48.37 | TankC | Oh, that reminds me, I wanted to order the sparkfun pint glass |
| 04:48.52 | ieatlint | usb mini-b 4pin |
| 04:48.56 | ieatlint | don't think mini-c |
| 04:48.56 | rooly|away | i'll just call it usb-fr |
| 04:49.10 | ieatlint | they have a pint glass? nice... |
| 04:49.28 | rooly|away | gawd |
| 04:49.29 | rooly|away | so slow! |
| 04:49.32 | rooly|away | ... |
| 04:49.32 | ieatlint | i want to modify a usb hub to run off a li-ion battery :) |
| 04:49.35 | TankC | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8405 |
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| 04:49.50 | Sargun | ieatlint, someone did that |
| 04:50.08 | ieatlint | imperial pint is better :) |
| 04:50.11 | ieatlint | i'm sure someone has |
| 04:50.32 | rooly|away | but HE wants to do it |
| 04:50.45 | ieatlint | finding a good usb hub to modify, a dc step for the 3.7v input that has enough amperage, and a case for it all is the issue |
| 04:51.10 | rooly|away | if you build it, it will charge |
| 04:51.45 | ieatlint | best i could find was a step that did 1A... would prefer 2A |
| 04:51.55 | ieatlint | (using one of the massive li-ion batteries, hehe |
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| 04:54.40 | TankC | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8668 perfect camera for the FR |
| 04:54.52 | TankC | onboard compression, 1.3Mpix |
| 04:55.00 | TankC | full datasheets available |
| 04:55.08 | deever | anyone here who has the zsh running on the freerunner? |
| 04:55.34 | rooly|away | yes indeed, TankC |
| 04:56.01 | ieatlint | TankC: the bus doesn't support it i seem to recall reading |
| 04:56.19 | TankC | where? |
| 04:56.30 | ieatlint | mailing lists |
| 04:56.58 | Sargun | All we need to do |
| 04:56.59 | rooly|away | a camera? |
| 04:57.08 | Sargun | is make a nuclear reactor |
| 04:57.10 | TankC | It can be done |
| 04:57.11 | Sargun | that can last 30 years |
| 04:57.17 | Sargun | cost $30 |
| 04:57.22 | rooly|away | that's one of the main things people "scoff" at when they ask about my phone |
| 04:57.25 | Sargun | and fit a pencil eraser |
| 04:57.30 | rooly|away | "it doesn't have a camera? what's the point?" |
| 04:57.43 | Sargun | rooly|away, I carry a Cannon G9 |
| 04:57.46 | Sargun | almost everywhere |
| 04:57.51 | rooly|away | altho, i whip out my 7.5mp exilim |
| 04:58.06 | rooly|away | and say, "nope, my phone doesn't have a crappy camera on it" |
| 04:58.09 | ieatlint | whip it out, rooly |
| 04:58.16 | rooly|away | i whip it out good |
| 04:58.33 | ieatlint | anyway, that camera sounds all good, but bear in mind it has no real focus |
| 04:58.56 | ieatlint | there's a lot more to a digital camera than it's picture size :P |
| 04:59.08 | TankC | ieatlint: do you know when the discussion took place? |
| 04:59.11 | TankC | and in which ml? |
| 04:59.38 | rooly|away | hrm, in the qtopia dialer, what is meant by the "handset" under options during a call |
| 05:00.16 | rooly|away | oh |
| 05:00.17 | rooly|away | ok |
| 05:00.18 | linuxxr | use a smoke alarm to produce power |
| 05:00.40 | ieatlint | TankC: no, i don't recall |
| 05:00.54 | ieatlint | but they were talking about that exact camera... search for "sparkfun" |
| 05:01.56 | rooly|away | can the FR receive mms messages? |
| 05:02.46 | ieatlint | it's a software issue |
| 05:03.02 | ieatlint | so it can in theory, but i've no idea what the software support is |
| 05:03.11 | rooly|away | you sure? most mms messages use the data connection |
| 05:03.15 | rooly|away | in my experience |
| 05:03.37 | AntonTakk | anyone know where in proc i can find the curent battery charge status? |
| 05:03.51 | ieatlint | it's in sys, not proc |
| 05:04.10 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs#power_supply_battery_information |
| 05:04.44 | pjz | anyone get 2008.8 updates from zecke working? |
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| 05:07.31 | TankC | interesting, it does appear that a USB camera would be easiest |
| 05:07.37 | linuxxr | pjz can i impose upon u to post a file from 2008.8 as i deleated mine? |
| 05:07.43 | ieatlint | you find it tank? |
| 05:07.48 | TankC | Yeah |
| 05:07.55 | TankC | no i/o pins available |
| 05:08.04 | TankC | I2C would be easy though |
| 05:08.15 | ieatlint | ah... |
| 05:08.44 | TankC | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/019578.html |
| 05:09.15 | TankC | well... it does have io pins |
| 05:09.28 | TankC | but they're being used for something else... I'm assuming the graphics chip |
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| 05:09.44 | TankC | among other things |
| 05:12.16 | pjz | linuxxr: sure, what file? |
| 05:13.01 | linuxxr | /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf |
| 05:14.47 | AntonTakk | flashing 2008.8 so i can have a decently working phone but still play with python and etk |
| 05:14.54 | pjz | linuxxr: http://www.place.org/~pj/gta02/all-feed.conf |
| 05:15.04 | AntonTakk | of corse...hrm |
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| 05:15.24 | AntonTakk | 2008.8 doesn't have the fso dbus stuff |
| 05:15.25 | pjz | AntonTakk: I'm going to run it off of Sd card for a day or two before flashing it to the default boot |
| 05:15.34 | linuxxr | thanks |
| 05:19.07 | pjz | linuxxr: np |
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| 05:19.52 | linuxxr | will the sdcard get corrupted? |
| 05:21.02 | linuxxr | that would be bad |
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| 05:21.20 | pjz | wha? |
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| 05:28.34 | TankC | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16830190101&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Webcam-_-CP+TECHNOLOGIES-_-30190101 |
| 05:28.47 | TankC | That looks like the best bet as far as a USB cam is concerned |
| 05:29.06 | TankC | chop off the cable and replace with a mini-B connector |
| 05:29.23 | TankC | and it's USB 1.1 |
| 05:31.39 | TankC | if you're crafty.. might be able to squeeze it into the opening near the mic |
| 05:32.03 | linuxxr | drill |
| 05:32.10 | TankC | splice the wires into the usb connection and activate/deactivate with a switch |
| 05:32.29 | linuxxr | maybe the cam head comes apart |
| 05:32.40 | TankC | I'm sure it does |
| 05:33.57 | TankC | Hmm... most webcams that come with laptops are recognized as USB devices |
| 05:34.25 | TankC | I wonder if they use a chipset |
| 05:34.45 | linuxxr | get a powered usb hub an leave it alone |
| 05:35.15 | Sargun | hehe |
| 05:36.16 | TankC | whoa! |
| 05:36.17 | TankC | http://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00434 |
| 05:37.11 | TankC | slightly long though |
| 05:39.14 | TankC | http://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00223&dept_id=015&cat_id=043 possibly that one too |
| 05:39.28 | TankC | could be easily clipped to the side |
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| 05:45.14 | linuxxr | they have cute toy cams there too |
| 05:48.32 | TankC | yeah |
| 05:48.52 | TankC | the only thing that concerns me is that the camera specifically says on it USB 2.0 |
| 05:49.00 | TankC | but the details list it as being 1.1 compatible |
| 05:49.10 | TankC | so.. does it go into a fallback mode or something? |
| 05:51.02 | TankC | I guess for $25 it might be worth it |
| 05:52.14 | Sargun | $25 is a bit much |
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| 06:02.29 | TankC | Hmm |
| 06:02.54 | TankC | there seems to be a (small) amount of space under the back cover between the battery and USB port |
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| 06:04.10 | TankC | about 10x29mm |
| 06:09.40 | ieatlint | scotch is a good remedy for when a cat scratches you, right? |
| 06:13.21 | TankC | to drink or to put on the wound? |
| 06:13.56 | ieatlint | drink |
| 06:14.00 | TankC | Sure |
| 06:14.12 | TankC | though it probably wouldn't hurt to put some on the wound |
| 06:14.16 | TankC | clean it up a little |
| 06:14.18 | TankC | heh |
| 06:14.36 | ieatlint | done ... and now i really smell drunk |
| 06:15.00 | TankC | mmm, now I want a beer |
| 06:15.02 | TankC | brb |
| 06:15.09 | ieatlint | beer good |
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| 06:27.43 | ieatlint | ok, for anyone else who managed to fuck up their uboot env, here's a backup of a good one: http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/u-boot_env.orig |
| 06:28.38 | TankC | Heh |
| 06:29.09 | TankC | ieatlint: do you know why the uboots are listed as gta02vX where X ranges between 1 and 5? |
| 06:29.22 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 06:29.27 | ieatlint | you want 5 |
| 06:29.43 | TankC | what do they stand for? |
| 06:29.49 | ieatlint | they're different board revisions |
| 06:29.50 | ieatlint | v5 is what shipped in july |
| 06:29.54 | TankC | Ahh, ok |
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| 06:30.04 | ieatlint | v1-4 were test boards |
| 06:30.18 | ieatlint | and i as such presume they need slightly different u-boots |
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| 06:30.38 | ieatlint | anyway, you're v5 |
| 06:32.26 | TankC | thanks |
| 06:32.33 | ieatlint | cat /proc/cpuinfo .... "hardware gta02" .. "revision 0350" -- the 5 means v5 |
| 06:32.40 | ieatlint | if it says 340, it's v4. etc |
| 06:32.47 | TankC | Cool |
| 06:33.02 | TankC | So I ended up buying 2 webcams |
| 06:33.19 | TankC | one has a higher res, the other is failsafe usb 1.1 |
| 06:33.49 | ieatlint | you should be able to take pictures, but you likely will not be able to stream video from the camera |
| 06:33.56 | ieatlint | so it'll be shooting in the dark i bet |
| 06:34.11 | ieatlint | in the sense, you won't know what will be in frame until the picture is taken |
| 06:35.01 | TankC | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0019WCE66 |
| 06:35.07 | TankC | Yeah, I don't expect to capture video |
| 06:35.21 | TankC | I would like pictures, mainly |
| 06:35.55 | ieatlint | heh, i installed debian on my phone, and now i'm wondering why i bothered |
| 06:36.01 | ieatlint | does it really offer anything new? |
| 06:36.13 | ieatlint | other than the 400mb footprint, that is |
| 06:36.20 | TankC | Haha, other than a plethora of easily installable packages, I don't see the purpose |
| 06:36.29 | TankC | most of those packages being impractical |
| 06:36.56 | ieatlint | yeah, there wasn't a whole lot i felt missing before |
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| 06:37.48 | TankC | I wonder if I can fabricate a die to create a new back case |
| 06:37.55 | ieatlint | what we need is a good browser |
| 06:38.06 | ieatlint | i'm watching mobile mozilla... |
| 06:38.12 | TankC | I wonder if microb would be useful |
| 06:38.17 | ieatlint | and opera i know had an interest in making a special build for us |
| 06:38.20 | TankC | (what the nokia N810 uses) |
| 06:38.55 | TankC | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 06:39.57 | TankC | http://hg.mozilla.org/users/vladimir_mozilla.com/index.cgi/mozilla-qt |
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| 06:41.49 | ieatlint | milestone7 of mozilla mobile is due tuesday |
| 06:41.54 | ieatlint | alpha one is due sept 9 |
| 06:42.38 | CM | Am I the only one who constantly get the "white screen of death" if I let my fso-image suspend? |
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| 06:43.39 | ieatlint | would it make you feel better if i said yes? |
| 06:43.48 | CM | ieatlint: Hehe, maybe |
| 06:43.49 | ieatlint | perhaps you'd feel unique, special, one of a kind? |
| 06:43.54 | CM | :-P |
| 06:44.06 | CM | At least then it might just be my crappy build |
| 06:44.11 | ieatlint | what version of fso? |
| 06:44.14 | ieatlint | or did you build it yourself? |
| 06:44.22 | CM | Myself, yesterday |
| 06:44.31 | CM | Latests oe.dev branch |
| 06:44.51 | mmaestri | this happened to anyone? http://www.mibbit.com/pb/R82tg7 |
| 06:46.01 | cjb | mmaestri: you probably waited more than thirty seconds before typing your password |
| 06:46.07 | cjb | and it dropped the connection |
| 06:46.16 | ieatlint | mmaestri: try adding -v when you run that |
| 06:47.28 | mmaestri | cjb: no, i didn't |
| 06:49.12 | TankC | CM: I had all sorts of issue with my own built image of FSO |
| 06:49.30 | TankC | USB networking not enabled, weird dropped calls, etc |
| 06:49.37 | TankC | also built yesterday |
| 06:49.52 | CM | TankC: Ah, thanks |
| 06:49.59 | mmaestri | cjb: take a look at this http://www.mibbit.com/pb/hrbDt7 |
| 06:50.09 | CM | TankC: I just disabled suspend for now |
| 06:50.38 | ieatlint | mmaestri: there's no chance the FR has no available space, is there? |
| 06:51.06 | TankC | CM: how? illume-config wasn't installed |
| 06:51.55 | TankC | unless you built it yourself I suppose |
| 06:52.01 | TankC | I just got fed up :) |
| 06:52.08 | mmaestri | ieatlint: it has 25% free |
| 06:52.12 | cjb | mmaestri: oh. that's messed up. |
| 06:52.24 | ieatlint | yeah, you've got something weird going on there |
| 06:52.24 | cjb | mmaestri: how about if you do a plain ssh? |
| 06:52.29 | CM | TankC: I used the settings in the top drop-down |
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| 06:52.44 | mmaestri | cjb: it works flawlessly |
| 06:52.47 | ieatlint | but no i know you're in argentina, hah! |
| 06:53.06 | cjb | mmaestri: okay, so there's an scp problem. try running scp on the phone? |
| 06:53.14 | cjb | pretty odd. |
| 06:53.59 | mmaestri | cjb: it worked |
| 06:54.04 | mmaestri | from the phone |
| 06:54.35 | mmaestri | i did root@om-gta02:/usr/share/applications# scp 192.168.0.200:/home/martin/.bashrc /home/root/ |
| 06:54.44 | ieatlint | perhaps update openssh... if it's dated 10/07... |
| 06:54.51 | mmaestri | damn smileys |
| 06:55.18 | ieatlint | the smileys only show up for you in your client :P |
| 06:57.01 | SUNWjoejaxx | haha |
| 06:57.34 | mmaestri | ieatlint: yes i know, but it sucks anyway |
| 06:58.02 | ieatlint | mmaestri: let's just say i would highly recommend you look into updating your os ;) |
| 06:59.16 | mmaestri | ieatlint: i think it is already updated |
| 06:59.36 | ieatlint | ok :) |
| 06:59.37 | mmaestri | i mean, it updates a lot, is ubuntu hardy |
| 06:59.50 | ieatlint | i still kinda chuckle at debian is all |
| 07:00.11 | ieatlint | http://xkcd.com/221/ hehehe |
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| 07:05.54 | CM | Does anyone know how to quit numpty physics on the fso? |
| 07:06.05 | doc|home | kill it with fire |
| 07:06.14 | doc|home | seriously though |
| 07:06.20 | doc|home | why would you ever want to quit? :) |
| 07:06.41 | CM | Hehe |
| 07:06.47 | CM | Ok, how do I restart a level then? |
| 07:06.53 | CM | I drew a too big hammer |
| 07:07.08 | doc|home | dunno, I only ever played it on n800 |
| 07:07.09 | CM | Also, noticed the "remove" option in the top dropdown, that worked |
| 07:07.23 | CM | Works good i'd say |
| 07:11.34 | undrwater | CM: bring keyboard down...then type "r" |
| 07:12.12 | CM | undrwater: Ah, thanks :) |
| 07:12.19 | undrwater | np |
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| 07:36.46 | linuxxr | up echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 >/etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:36.46 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.46 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:38.06 | linuxxr | every since i added that to /etc/network/interfaces i cant ping internet |
| 07:38.54 | mmaestri | linuxxr: try adding a space after > |
| 07:38.59 | linuxxr | o |
| 07:39.03 | mmaestri | and try dns 4.2.2.2 |
| 07:39.45 | TankC | I just put in the opendns namservers |
| 07:39.45 | TankC | nameservers* |
| 07:40.06 | linuxxr | whats that? |
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| 07:40.31 | mmaestri | what's what :p |
| 07:41.14 | linuxxr | opendns namservers |
| 07:41.14 | linuxxr | <TankC> nameservers* |
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| 07:43.02 | TankC | Our nameservers are 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220. |
| 07:43.08 | TankC | https://www.opendns.com/start |
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| 07:50.46 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.33 | masked_ | bummer |
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| 07:51.47 | linuxxr | i can ping me freerunner an ssh in to the freerunner but no internet |
| 07:52.15 | rwhitby | routing problem on the host |
| 07:52.28 | linuxxr | nameserver 208.67.220.220 |
| 07:52.41 | linuxxr | i used the guide |
| 07:53.14 | linuxxr | its a slacl 12 |
| 07:53.20 | linuxxr | slack |
| 07:54.01 | Sargun | routing! |
| 07:54.14 | Sargun | linuxxr, can the FR ping the host? |
| 07:54.17 | linuxxr | up echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 >/etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:54.19 | Sargun | does the host have SSH set up? |
| 07:54.40 | linuxxr | put a space after ">" |
| 07:54.50 | linuxxr | is that correct? |
| 07:54.51 | rwhitby | routing, not dns |
| 07:55.05 | linuxxr | oo |
| 07:55.06 | rwhitby | iptables on host, masquerade |
| 07:55.44 | linuxxr | i did the iptables command in the freerunner starting guide |
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| 07:56.00 | mnagy | linuxxr: try pinging an ip address outside |
| 07:56.08 | linuxxr | cant |
| 07:56.13 | undrwater | is there a way to move the clock from settings to the desktop? maybe via .desktop file? |
| 07:56.38 | rwhitby | linuxxr: if you can ping 192.168.0.200, but can't ping an outside address, then it's a routing problem on the host |
| 07:57.13 | linuxxr | do it from the freerunner console right? |
| 07:57.47 | linuxxr | i can |
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| 07:58.31 | Rorschach | hi |
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| 07:58.43 | linuxxr | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 07:58.43 | linuxxr | sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 07:58.43 | linuxxr | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 07:58.51 | linuxxr | so i did this |
| 07:59.11 | linuxxr | my lan is at 192.168.1.1 |
| 07:59.29 | linuxxr | router* |
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| 08:01.11 | Sargun | linuxxr, can you post the answer of "iptables-save" |
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| 08:02.29 | linuxxr | http://pastebin.com/d3a1485c4 |
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| 08:07.47 | linuxxr | http://pastebin.com/d46c63515 |
| 08:08.57 | linuxxr | line 27 28 29 are the spaces at> /etc/resolv/conf cerrect? |
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| 08:09.43 | Zorkman | Wonka |
| 08:09.45 | Zorkman | you there? |
| 08:10.12 | linuxxr | sargun? |
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| 08:11.20 | Zorkman | Wonka: somebody on the community list is looking for an implementation of agps, but i lost your url |
| 08:11.35 | linuxxr | lines 23 an 25 are duplicate |
| 08:12.35 | linuxxr | typocopy |
| 08:12.59 | linuxxr | up echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:13.19 | linuxxr | is that space supposed to be in there? |
| 08:13.35 | linuxxr | > /etc |
| 08:13.43 | linuxxr | or not |
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| 08:14.40 | Zorkman | new fso feeds: http://shr.bearstech.com/ |
| 08:16.41 | Rorschach | linuxxr: looks correct to me |
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| 08:18.00 | linuxxr | that space? |
| 08:18.38 | linuxxr | reason i ask is that the wiki had no spaces there |
| 08:19.05 | Rorschach | it doesn't matter |
| 08:20.00 | linuxxr | so what on the host would stop me |
| 08:20.42 | linuxxr | /etc/hosts |
| 08:21.05 | linuxxr | # For loopbacking. |
| 08:21.05 | linuxxr | 127.0.0.1localhost |
| 08:21.05 | linuxxr | 127.0.0.1monster.org monster |
| 08:21.05 | linuxxr | 192.168.0.202 openmoko |
| 08:21.34 | Rorschach | linuxxr: what's your problem at all? |
| 08:21.53 | Rorschach | no ssh to your freerunner? |
| 08:21.53 | Sargun | linuxxr, yeah |
| 08:21.59 | Sargun | sorry, I was in the shower |
| 08:22.04 | linuxxr | cant ping internet |
| 08:22.28 | Sargun | linuxxr, from your OM? |
| 08:22.33 | Sargun | err, your OM phone |
| 08:22.34 | linuxxr | yes |
| 08:22.41 | Sargun | wanna do an iptables -t -L -v -n |
| 08:22.42 | Rorschach | is this the /etc/hosts of your OM? |
| 08:22.52 | Sargun | wanna do an iptables -t nat -L -v -n |
| 08:23.01 | linuxxr | no the slack machine |
| 08:23.20 | Sargun | do an "ip route" on the OM |
| 08:23.23 | Sargun | what does it say |
| 08:23.56 | linuxxr | 192.168.0.0/24 dev usb0 src 192.168.0.202 |
| 08:23.56 | linuxxr | default via 192.168.0.1 dev usb0 |
| 08:26.16 | Sargun | and the iptables thing |
| 08:26.42 | TankC | is the org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM not implemented yet in FSO? |
| 08:26.51 | linuxxr | from host right? |
| 08:27.53 | Sargun | uhm |
| 08:27.54 | Sargun | ya |
| 08:28.16 | linuxxr | http://pastebin.com/d3cb97450 |
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| 08:32.15 | Sargun | linuxxr, nc -u 75.101.13.24 7779 |
| 08:32.19 | Sargun | from the OM |
| 08:32.23 | Sargun | and hit enter a few times |
| 08:32.39 | linuxxr | what will that do? |
| 08:32.53 | Sargun | it'll let me see traffic |
| 08:33.12 | linuxxr | u not gonna root kit me are u? |
| 08:33.23 | linuxxr | lolol |
| 08:33.26 | Sargun | I'm nice. |
| 08:33.30 | linuxxr | please dont |
| 08:33.36 | linuxxr | thanks |
| 08:33.41 | Sargun | Ok. |
| 08:33.42 | Sargun | Did you? |
| 08:33.45 | Sargun | do it? |
| 08:33.51 | Sargun | on host: "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
| 08:33.54 | Sargun | lalalal |
| 08:33.55 | Sargun | wait |
| 08:33.56 | Sargun | s |
| 08:34.11 | linuxxr | i did |
| 08:34.15 | linuxxr | nc -u 75.101.13.24 7779 |
| 08:34.33 | linuxxr | 3 times |
| 08:35.17 | linuxxr | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 08:36.16 | Sargun | says what? |
| 08:36.27 | linuxxr | nothing |
| 08:36.33 | Sargun | did you hit enter after you ran the nc command |
| 08:36.39 | Sargun | what does the second comamnd say |
| 08:36.39 | linuxxr | yes |
| 08:37.00 | linuxxr | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 08:37.02 | Sargun | yes? |
| 08:37.04 | linuxxr | again |
| 08:37.10 | Sargun | what did it respond with |
| 08:37.30 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.34 | Sargun | uhm |
| 08:37.35 | Sargun | wtf. |
| 08:37.41 | Sargun | did you compile your kernel? |
| 08:37.48 | linuxxr | naa |
| 08:37.49 | Sargun | echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 08:38.04 | Sargun | now try to ping |
| 08:38.33 | linuxxr | those commmands from host right? |
| 08:39.39 | linuxxr | ahh i logged out |
| 08:39.43 | linuxxr | plo90 |
| 08:39.55 | Sargun | yeah... |
| 08:39.57 | Sargun | plo90? |
| 08:39.59 | linuxxr | lol |
| 08:40.04 | linuxxr | pass |
| 08:40.08 | Sargun | haha |
| 08:40.09 | Sargun | hahaaha |
| 08:40.29 | linuxxr | pass |
| 08:40.39 | linuxxr | no ping |
| 08:40.55 | linuxxr | 74.125.19.147 ping statistics --- |
| 08:40.55 | linuxxr | 5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
| 08:40.59 | Sargun | uhm |
| 08:41.01 | Sargun | great. |
| 08:41.06 | Sargun | your distro sucks, replace it |
| 08:41.11 | linuxxr | ll |
| 08:41.24 | linuxxr | 12,1 |
| 08:41.47 | Sargun | ? |
| 08:42.02 | linuxxr | i need to upgrade |
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| 08:54.02 | kd8ikt | starts farting with nfs |
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| 09:08.54 | ieatlint | getting an alcohol buzz isn't as much fun when you have to stay up and it wears off... |
| 09:08.55 | ieatlint | so sad |
| 09:09.57 | TankC | I know :( |
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| 09:18.01 | Infoport | I don't *have* to stay up....I just have an obsession. "My name is William, and I am a Openmokoholic" |
| 09:18.34 | Infoport | sn Openmokoholic |
| 09:18.44 | Infoport | an Openmokoholic |
| 09:19.59 | Rorschach | got someone wicd working? I could manage to install and to start it. It shows my network but if I wanna connect I just get shown: "Putting interface down.." and nothing happens after that anymore |
| 09:20.13 | cga | good morning * |
| 09:21.08 | Rorschach | hi cga |
| 09:21.17 | cga | hey Rorschach |
| 09:23.38 | TAsn | Infoport, I am to a mokoholic. |
| 09:23.50 | sevenhundred | good morning |
| 09:23.58 | sevenhundred | I'm still in denial |
| 09:24.24 | sevenhundred | (I lie to friends and family about how much time I spend on it) |
| 09:25.58 | TAsn | sevenhundred, i wish i had this luxury, i don't even have a moko, nothing to lie about. i just spend all of time on refreshing the moko store hoping it will be out ):) |
| 09:25.58 | sevenhundred | TAsn: that would be a good idea to lie about :P |
| 09:25.58 | TAsn | :) |
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| 09:29.04 | sevenhundred | you're in preemptive withdrawal |
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| 09:29.05 | sevenhundred | :P |
| 09:30.56 | Weiss | mmm, i just formatted my Windows partition to make enough space for building Openmoko from scratch |
| 09:30.56 | TankC | Hoora! |
| 09:30.56 | Sargun | Cool! |
| 09:30.57 | Weiss | :) |
| 09:30.57 | Weiss | to be fair, i've just my Windows boot about once |
| 09:30.57 | Weiss | s/just/used/ |
| 09:31.12 | CM | apt: botsnack |
| 09:31.12 | apt | CM: :) |
| 09:31.13 | CM | :) |
| 09:31.57 | sevenhundred | At first I thought people were just being overly geeky with the ed jargon :P |
| 09:32.00 | CM | Weiss: How many gb space? It takes quite a lot to build it all.. |
| 09:33.14 | Weiss | i've freed up over 40Gb .. |
| 09:33.26 | CM | Heh, no problem then :) |
| 09:33.51 | Weiss | i'm expecting it to use something in the region of 12 Gb (from the OE and OM wikis) |
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| 09:34.40 | Weiss | rm_work doesn't actually do the useful thing i thought it did, so there's no way to avoid having so much space taken up |
| 09:34.59 | CM | 10-15 gb for me, usually |
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| 09:37.35 | baird | Ha, the kernel module for the Trace vibrator is included.. |
| 09:38.17 | baird | (The first phone to provide that feature..?) |
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| 09:40.44 | leinirAWAY | baird: ...that just sounds rude to me ;) |
| 09:40.57 | leinirAWAY | (not disagreeable at all, but rude none the less ;) ) |
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| 09:47.25 | ieatlint | stupid sobering up... now i need to go drive drunk people home from a concert :( |
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| 09:48.07 | Sargun | baird, maybe someone should sell the FR as a very expensive adult sex to |
| 09:48.09 | Sargun | toy |
| 09:48.24 | baird | Illegal in Alabama... |
| 09:48.38 | ieatlint | the vibrator isn't that strong, however it would be a pretty bizarre toy |
| 09:48.52 | Sargun | ieatlint, it wouldn't require that much modification to make it stronger |
| 09:48.53 | ieatlint | remote controlled and tracks exactly where you are with gps? that's kinky and creepy |
| 09:49.39 | ieatlint | Sargun: the vibrator on it is weak, it's not an issue of more power, it's an issue of a better motor and weight thingy |
| 09:49.47 | Sargun | yeah |
| 09:49.55 | Sargun | you could replace it with a large one |
| 09:49.58 | Sargun | strip out GPS (maybe?) |
| 09:50.04 | Sargun | and you could do it. |
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| 09:50.19 | Sargun | remote control vibrator |
| 09:50.22 | ieatlint | hmmm, the battery would die quickly, you'd have to use like usb for power |
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| 09:50.35 | TankC | usb powered vibrator |
| 09:51.18 | ieatlint | when it comes down to it, there are better things :P |
| 09:51.48 | ieatlint | you could have a similar effect with an arduino, and it would use less power overall and not have the hardware that'd be useless to you |
| 09:52.10 | ieatlint | could also tack on a larger battery... 6A+ |
| 09:52.11 | TankC | Or... a battery |
| 09:52.54 | kd8ikt | there is a reason we made a #openmoko-offtopic |
| 09:53.35 | leinir | Butbutbut... i'm out of channels! ;) |
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| 09:53.59 | TankC | Is there a way to make qemu use gta02 compiled rootfs images? |
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| 09:54.14 | kd8ikt | yes but it requires some tweakery |
| 09:54.20 | TankC | is there a guide? |
| 09:54.43 | TankC | or could you explain? :) |
| 09:55.02 | ieatlint | what's the reason? |
| 09:55.12 | kd8ikt | build/qemu/openmoko/env |
| 09:55.20 | TankC | I don't want to compile my rootfs images twice |
| 09:55.21 | ieatlint | arguably we were still talking about the freerunner, and alternate uses for it |
| 09:55.25 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_QEMU_with_MokoMakefile |
| 09:55.37 | TankC | kd8ikt: done |
| 09:56.03 | TankC | but when I run "make flash-qemu-local" I get errors telling me it's looking for gta01 |
| 09:56.12 | sevenhundred | If I were into vibrators, I'd prefer one with linux on it |
| 09:56.56 | kd8ikt | i made a script that randomizes the vib and leds |
| 09:56.58 | CM | sevenhundred: Tux-shaped? |
| 09:58.04 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 09:58.19 | sevenhundred | makes the compolsury libsexy joke |
| 09:58.26 | Dave | Makemokomofo |
| 09:58.39 | ieatlint | ahh.. libsexy |
| 09:58.47 | ieatlint | i remember being so confused when i saw it being installed |
| 09:59.04 | Dave | kd8ikt: you're so cool |
| 09:59.19 | sevenhundred | s/compolsury/compulsory |
| 09:59.47 | ieatlint | clearly openmoko is overlooking the ever-growing adult sex toy market |
| 10:00.17 | ieatlint | linux and gsm based sex toys have yet to gain wide acceptance.... it's only a matter of time |
| 10:00.27 | Dave | ø:P |
| 10:00.43 | Dave | ieatlint, tentacool :p |
| 10:00.46 | ieatlint | i'm sure we'll all be looking forward to that booth at the next convention |
| 10:00.51 | kd8ikt | vibrate your g/f when she's at work via GSM |
| 10:01.09 | Dave | that's actually pretty bad |
| 10:01.14 | sevenhundred | maybe combine it with thumbtribes? |
| 10:01.16 | Dave | unless they fix the interference problem |
| 10:01.32 | Dave | she'll get an orgasm while other electronic devices around her explode |
| 10:01.34 | Dave | :P |
| 10:02.10 | TankC | Dave: we can say it's a feature |
| 10:02.23 | Dave | bah -_- |
| 10:02.28 | sevenhundred | the vibrator starts if you're within 1 km of another freerunner user |
| 10:02.29 | Dave | Meanwhile... |
| 10:02.34 | Dave | Who stole my audio device!? |
| 10:02.38 | ieatlint | ok, and on that note, i'm off to drive drunk people home |
| 10:02.38 | amarsh04 | goes for ☕ |
| 10:02.42 | ieatlint | bbl |
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| 10:05.21 | Dave | heh |
| 10:06.20 | Dave | blames glamo for everything |
| 10:06.31 | Wonka | Zorkman: it is on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS |
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| 10:07.22 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 10:07.22 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
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| 10:11.48 | Sargun | ~_~ |
| 10:11.48 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 10:11.53 | Sargun | hehe. |
| 10:12.02 | Dave | -_- |
| 10:12.02 | Sargun | I wonder if I could flood it off. |
| 10:12.14 | Sup3rkiddo | ~lart Sargun and Dave |
| 10:12.14 | apt | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Sargun and Dave |
| 10:12.26 | Sargun | ~rlart |
| 10:12.27 | apt | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at jOERG_zzZZzz |
| 10:12.29 | Dave | beats Sargun with a large apt |
| 10:12.33 | Dave | HEY |
| 10:12.38 | Dave | Leave Joerg alone :( |
| 10:12.45 | Sargun | ~rlart |
| 10:12.46 | apt | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at flaushy |
| 10:13.21 | kd8ikt | for idiots in $(#openmoko); do /ban $idiots ; done |
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| 10:14.40 | kd8ikt | i'm gonna try doing some native compiling |
| 10:15.07 | kd8ikt | made an NFS mount and am installing tons of dev/gcc stuff to it |
| 10:15.56 | Dave | heh |
| 10:16.17 | Dave | I'm still trying to figure out where my audio device has gone. |
| 10:16.22 | Sargun | Jamaica |
| 10:16.41 | Rorschach | just for info: the newest packages from the zecke feed this morning are fixing the no-pin-dialog bug |
| 10:16.42 | Dave | No |
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| 10:18.51 | Dave | bumble :) |
| 10:18.54 | kd8ikt | thats a new bug to me |
| 10:19.10 | Dave | Which one? :p |
| 10:19.31 | kd8ikt | do you really have to ask? |
| 10:19.42 | Rorschach | with 2008.8 and inserted SD-Card no pin dialog appeared for some people like me |
| 10:20.07 | Rorschach | qpe was going in an endless loop accessing the sd-card and prevented the showing of the pin-dialog |
| 10:20.38 | kd8ikt | oh i dont use pin junk |
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| 10:21.35 | Dave | kd8, how's your room look now? :P |
| 10:22.38 | kd8ikt | pretty good |
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| 10:23.23 | Dave | nice |
| 10:23.29 | Dave | and your wall with holes in it? :P |
| 10:23.37 | kd8ikt | i can actually run around barefoot without stepping on bottlecaps and screws and misc sharp objects |
| 10:23.38 | Zorkman | lol, didn't know he had hole sin his wall :) |
| 10:23.47 | bumbl | hi Davy |
| 10:24.00 | rwhitby | adds 1233 new packages to http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/ |
| 10:24.02 | Dave | kd8, scary |
| 10:24.10 | Dave | Hallo :) |
| 10:25.36 | Zorkman | nice going rwhitby |
| 10:26.22 | bumbl | hehe, I got a torx 6 screwdriver |
| 10:27.24 | Zorkman | wonderes why openmoko didn't use "normal" screws |
| 10:27.57 | kd8ikt | torx keep the idiots form opening it |
| 10:27.57 | Dave | because that's uncool |
| 10:32.50 | kd8ikt | but still very much accessible to most |
| 10:32.51 | Rorschach | torx is a defacto-standard for many hardware-devices, so nothing special about it |
| 10:32.51 | Dave | right |
| 10:32.51 | kd8ikt | now if it was some sort of reverse torx that would be below the belt |
| 10:32.51 | Dave | haha |
| 10:32.52 | Dave | kinky |
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| 10:32.52 | kd8ikt | like you know how/why all wifi devices have RP-SMA and RP-whatevers |
| 10:32.52 | leinir | Also because small torx screws are easier to (un)screw without completely buggering up the head ;) |
| 10:32.53 | leinir | (i find) |
| 10:32.53 | kd8ikt | yeah its kind of tough to strip a torx |
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| 10:32.55 | bumbl | leinir: you are totally right; torx rocks |
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| 10:34.27 | Zorkman | will have to buy some torx |
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| 10:35.34 | bumbl | I had torx screw drivers ranging from 10 to 20 at home but no t6 |
| 10:36.05 | leinir | i'm lucky enough to have a well-stocked boyfriend, made it a bit easier :) |
| 10:37.30 | Dave | haha, I just tried to go to downloads.oprnmoko.org by accident |
| 10:37.37 | Dave | kd8ikt, idea? :P |
| 10:38.12 | bumbl | sighs |
| 10:38.35 | bumbl | bloody kde-devel |
| 10:38.48 | sevenhundred | hasn't even heard of torx before, but likes the name |
| 10:38.53 | Dave | haha, agreed! |
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| 10:39.04 | Dave | sevenhundred, it's kind of dumb, but hey, it works. |
| 10:39.20 | Dave | at least it's not screwz or something like that :p |
| 10:39.33 | sevenhundred | Dave: what, the name or the thing? |
| 10:39.36 | Dave | though it does sound like something developed by an independent skateboard company |
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| 10:39.39 | Dave | the name |
| 10:40.18 | CM | sevenhundred: star-shaped screws instead of hex |
| 10:40.20 | sevenhundred | I like it. It reminds me of crappy foodstuff from Germany |
| 10:40.33 | Dave | hehe |
| 10:42.21 | sevenhundred | cm: yeah, I saw on wikipedia |
| 10:43.07 | CM | sevenhundred: You have another name for them in germany? |
| 10:43.47 | bumbl | CM: no, in german they are called torx too |
| 10:43.55 | Zorkman | in germany they just shout "OFFEN MACHEN3 at any screw and it works |
| 10:44.01 | CM | Same in sweden |
| 10:44.04 | CM | Zorkman: Hehe |
| 10:44.09 | Zorkman | same in belgium |
| 10:44.22 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra1584d921752 10/odeviced/src/ (daemon/helpers.vala plugins/input/input.vala): |
| 10:44.22 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: do not pass cleansed node as a sysfs node to plugin constructors. Fixes |
| 10:44.22 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: correct path in LED plugin |
| 10:44.23 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rc5f25d8241cf 10/opimd/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:openmoko-gsoc2008 |
| 10:44.49 | CM | But we call hex screw drivers for "insektsnycklar", "insect keys" :) |
| 10:45.05 | Zorkman | hehe, nice |
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| 10:54.52 | Dave | SpeedEvil: FATAL: Error inserting snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753 (/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/soc/s3c24xx/snd-soc-neo1973-wm8753.ko): No such device :'( |
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| 10:58.32 | Dave | \o/ |
| 10:58.35 | Dave | Joergs |
| 10:59.52 | Dave | damn freerunner better boot and give me my bleeping sound |
| 11:03.40 | Dave | guh |
| 11:04.18 | Dave | Broken Audio. |
| 11:04.33 | sevenhundred | cm: I'm not from Germany, I'm from Sweden |
| 11:04.34 | Rorschach | what for sound? my freerunner never made a sound while booting?? |
| 11:05.00 | eartoast | moin. |
| 11:05.23 | eartoast | just got my debian-sdcard trashed... |
| 11:05.30 | Dave | sweet |
| 11:05.34 | Rorschach | how? |
| 11:05.51 | edistar | eartoast: suspend&resume and then it was broken |
| 11:05.52 | edistar | ? |
| 11:05.54 | eartoast | the oh-so-famous suspend |
| 11:05.57 | eartoast | yep |
| 11:06.04 | eartoast | killed the partition table |
| 11:06.14 | edistar | eartoast: rewrite it, data should still be there |
| 11:06.35 | Rorschach | hehe suspend didn't broke my PT until now but I always get the white-screen-of-death.. |
| 11:06.59 | eartoast | is there any proper solution in terms of a new kernel version for this problem? |
| 11:07.18 | Rorschach | eartoast: I'm also waiting for a new kernel.. |
| 11:07.52 | sevenhundred | off to look for some old liveCD |
| 11:09.22 | hipitihop | Has anyone got Gestures working on a buildserver image ? specifically I have an 080814 image, gestures installed and training seems to work, but can't get screen orientation to work. Anyone ? |
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| 11:12.54 | eartoast | btw: why is the debian-install script giving "fat32" partition type to a 8MB partition?! |
| 11:13.10 | kd8ikt | boot |
| 11:13.48 | eartoast | for an 8M partition, fat16 should be more appropriate... |
| 11:14.02 | kd8ikt | probably |
| 11:14.25 | kd8ikt | yell at the "official debian openmoko people" |
| 11:14.40 | kd8ikt | or modify the script |
| 11:14.44 | malik1972 | how to rotate in qtopia? |
| 11:15.12 | kd8ikt | same as anyother? if it supports xrandr -o left |
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| 11:15.25 | lindi- | eartoast: does it really matter? |
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| 11:16.27 | lindi- | eartoast: please test with fat16 and send email to nomeata |
| 11:16.48 | eartoast | just cross-asked in the -cdev channel |
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| 11:18.52 | lindi- | yes, makes it very easy to answer :P |
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| 11:32.05 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r0291d24e6e7d 10/html/index.html: index.html: typo |
| 11:32.06 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r43ae86471356 10/ousage/org.freesmartphone.Usage.xml.in: ousage: start documenting org.freesmartphone.Usage. |
| 11:32.06 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r9f8e83465c9a 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add org.freesmartphone.Usage.html |
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| 11:33.57 | CM | mickeyl: FSO rocks, thanks :-) |
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| 11:34.15 | mickeyl | thanks, glad it's of use |
| 11:34.37 | mickeyl | we have all been working hard the last months for it |
| 11:34.42 | mickeyl | (framework team, that is) |
| 11:34.47 | CM | Built it yeserday, works great |
| 11:34.58 | CM | (except the white screen of death after a suspend..) |
| 11:35.17 | mickeyl | ya, suspend/resume is still flaky, but that's kernel's responsibility :( |
| 11:35.20 | CM | Looks very neat, and I really like the keyboard |
| 11:35.24 | CM | *nod* |
| 11:35.52 | CM | Still, everything has come a long way since this time last year :) |
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| 11:37.28 | mickeyl | oh yeah |
| 11:38.01 | mickeyl | given that framework really started in April/May or so, i'm amazed by the progress |
| 11:38.26 | CM | It feels a lot more solid to use compared to 2007.2 |
| 11:38.52 | CM | ASU never worked that good on my gta01, so can't say much about it |
| 11:39.07 | mickeyl | ya, that's because what's underneath is really good. now the UI is disputable and there will be a lot of development directions ui-wise, but that's ok as long as all use the solid framework services |
| 11:39.46 | CM | Quick question, what's those letter below the battery meter? |
| 11:39.58 | CM | in zhone |
| 11:40.06 | CM | b G1 w s |
| 11:40.21 | CM | First it says "no dbus", then I get that line above |
| 11:40.36 | Zorkman | CM: bluetooth, gsm, wireless and gps |
| 11:40.43 | Zorkman | capital means it is powered on |
| 11:40.50 | Zorkman | the number indicates how many programs use it |
| 11:41.00 | CM | Zorkman: Ah, thanks. Cool :) |
| 11:41.09 | Zorkman | np, today i'm giving out free information :) |
| 11:41.18 | CM | Hehe |
| 11:41.31 | CM | Just need to get that gllin binary on there too to try tangogps |
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| 11:50.44 | hipitihop | I'm still exploring stacks, looked at 2007.2, FSO a couple of weeks back, Qtopia currently flashed and have been playing with buildserver qtopia-x11 off my SD card. Is the most recent FSO considerably different ? |
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| 11:52.25 | hipitihop | also tried 2008.8 release |
| 11:53.04 | CM | hipitihop: I only have a Neo1973, and a few weeks ago the FSO didn't work so well |
| 11:53.23 | CM | But now it does :) |
| 11:54.08 | hipitihop | CM, GSM reliable ? |
| 11:54.26 | CM | hipitihop: Has been so far, haven't tried to send an sms yet |
| 11:54.40 | hipitihop | but send receive ok |
| 11:54.46 | CM | Yes |
| 11:54.49 | hipitihop | sorry, call & receive |
| 11:55.03 | CM | Guessed that was what you meant :) |
| 11:55.04 | hipitihop | wifi ? |
| 11:55.11 | CM | None on the GTA01 |
| 11:55.30 | CM | I have the old dev-phone, not a freerunner |
| 11:56.06 | hipitihop | CM, understand. So when you say "now it does" is this some recent build of FSO ? |
| 11:56.37 | CM | Yes, built it yesterday evening from the latest oe.dev branch |
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| 11:56.59 | CM | So only been testing/playing with it today |
| 11:57.44 | hipitihop | CM, aah... I assume when you say build you mean from source, is there a rootfs and bin I can put on SD or do I have to build also |
| 11:58.04 | hipitihop | thinks maybe he should stop bothering CM and go look on the site |
| 11:58.10 | CM | I think there are builds for the Freerunner somewhere |
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| 11:58.20 | CM | Hehe |
| 11:59.12 | CM | hipitihop: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D |
| 11:59.42 | CM | That's all gta02 |
| 12:00.45 | hipitihop | CM, many thanks... looks like it's time to prepare anothe SD card :-) |
| 12:00.56 | CM | Hehe, good luck |
| 12:01.06 | CM | is off to visit relatives |
| 12:02.10 | CM | hipitihop: Wait, check out http://shr.bearstech.com instead |
| 12:02.19 | CM | hipitihop: and thank rwhitby ;) |
| 12:03.15 | rwhitby | CM: yep, that site has gta01 and gta02 and builds task-openmoko-feed |
| 12:03.36 | CM | rwhitby: Just noticed. Thank you :) |
| 12:03.37 | TankC | Rockin' |
| 12:04.56 | rwhitby | thinks bearstech is pretty smart making space for the fso feeds, and getting free publicity for their shop ... |
| 12:04.56 | TankC | what's the difference between the regular jffs2 and jffs2.summary images? |
| 12:05.05 | rwhitby | summary loads faster at boot time, no other difference after that |
| 12:05.13 | hipitihop | CM & rwhitby thanks, checking now |
| 12:05.22 | TankC | Ah |
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| 12:12.33 | hipitihop | rwhitby, the bearstech has modules-2.6.24------gta02.tgz do you know if this is the rootfs or something else ? looks too small |
| 12:13.03 | rwhitby | it is the modules tarball |
| 12:13.35 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdb1b4110f250 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: |
| 12:13.35 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: simplify idlenotifier state machine and fix '0' specifying that a state will never be reached (except |
| 12:13.35 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: programmatically) |
| 12:13.53 | malik1972 | CM: did you tried shr? |
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| 12:14.17 | hipitihop | so no rootfs.tgz avail. I guess I'll have to flash instead of put on SD |
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| 12:14.46 | malik1972 | hipoitihop: you can convert jffs2 to tgz |
| 12:17.12 | hipitihop | malik1972, ok checking wiki for instructions, thanks |
| 12:18.43 | rwhitby | hipitihop: next build will do .tar.gz for rootfs |
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| 12:20.58 | hipitihop | rwhitby, excellent thanks, target date ? |
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| 12:25.11 | malik1972 | hipitihop: there is a skript doing that job |
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| 12:26.21 | malik1972 | hipitihop: http://pastebin.ca/1175870 |
| 12:31.27 | hipitihop | malik1972, thanks |
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| 12:40.02 | rwhitby | hipitihop: target date, about 10 minutes |
| 12:43.42 | hipitihop | nods |
| 12:46.30 | torindel | yawns |
| 12:46.33 | torindel | moin all |
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| 12:50.15 | rwhitby | hipitihop: gta01 .tar.gz is up, gta02 will follow shortly |
| 12:51.04 | mickeyl | coolies |
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| 12:52.10 | hipitihop | rwhitby, too efficient |
| 12:52.38 | rwhitby | gta02 is up now too |
| 12:53.38 | rwhitby | will need to set up a crontab tomorrow to do this all automatically |
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| 12:54.11 | jopk | hi |
| 12:54.27 | hipitihop | woohoo |
| 12:54.42 | jopk | where can I get .ipk files fore these games: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User%27s_Manual/Games ? |
| 12:54.53 | hipitihop | mthanks for that rwhitby |
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| 12:55.11 | kd8ikt | its task-games or something like that |
| 12:55.24 | kd8ikt | opkg list |grep game should pop it up |
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| 12:57.01 | jopk | ok this list some games, but none of them of the page. |
| 12:58.21 | rwhitby | someone should add all those task-openmoko-*'s to task-openmoko-feed ... |
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| 13:05.04 | jopk | what's task-openmoko? |
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| 13:06.11 | s0u][ight | congratz :D openmoko has achieved a lot :D |
| 13:06.21 | kd8ikt | jopk: task-openmoko-games |
| 13:06.27 | kd8ikt | opkg install task-openmoko-games |
| 13:06.53 | jopk | ok ... what is task.openmoko-feed ? |
| 13:07.07 | kd8ikt | dont worry about it |
| 13:07.26 | jopk | can u explain pls ? :) |
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| 13:10.40 | kd8ikt | theanswers you seek lie in /dev/null |
| 13:10.51 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.30 | hipitihop | anyone have gestures working on this fso build? |
| 13:12.06 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r2ca21d0a8691 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Makefile: propagate make target |
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| 13:15.37 | hanez | hello, i got my moko some days ago. usb networking worked perfectly for the first days but now the is not beeing detected anymore on my host system. any hint? |
| 13:16.14 | ronny | hanez: ubuntu? |
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| 13:17.07 | hanez | no, debian... and gentoo |
| 13:17.17 | ronny | then no idea |
| 13:17.40 | hanez | what have you done on ubuntu? |
| 13:20.49 | hanez | ronny, dmesg shows up nothing on the host. it seems that the usb port is down in the moko |
| 13:21.18 | SpeedEvil | Stupid stuff. |
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| 13:21.35 | hipitihop | boots latest fso for first time .... |
| 13:21.36 | SpeedEvil | You've changed the cable, and ensured the host-side USB port still works on the host? |
| 13:22.33 | SpeedEvil | hanez: lsusb shows nothing? |
| 13:23.17 | Rorschach | for all who love to play Go, on the debian image gnugo and qgo work pretty fine! |
| 13:23.47 | hanez | SpeedEvil, yep, nothing |
| 13:24.16 | hanez | and it worked for the first two days without any problems |
| 13:24.31 | kd8ikt | i seem to be missing the correct mkimage |
| 13:24.38 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r578746a1d344 10/ (21 files in 3 dirs): add xml files usable for dbus-binding-tool into proper directory |
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| 13:30.52 | NSGReaper | Hey, does anyone know of a work around to http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1712? |
| 13:31.00 | NSGReaper | I would quite like to be able to use my phone again. |
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| 13:33.52 | cga | NSGReaper, did you try to plug the usb to pc and then insert the battery? |
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| 13:36.02 | hanez | okay, the serial usb device ttyACM0 comes up before booting and disconnects when booting the kernel. after that i can see no more usb activity in dmesg and lsusb. but when booting to the u-boot menu i have the serial device availabe... |
| 13:36.15 | NSGReaper | i'm trying that now cga |
| 13:37.17 | cga | hanez, 2007.2 -> opkg upgrade -> no usb when system is up ? |
| 13:37.30 | cga | NSGReaper, ok |
| 13:38.16 | hanez | cga, ok, but i didn't do an opkg upgrade |
| 13:38.44 | cga | hanez, mmm strange. i had that problem after opkg upgrade. |
| 13:39.01 | hanez | cga, how did you fixed it? reflash? |
| 13:40.22 | cga | hanez, yes... flash + nohup opkg upgrade dropbear & + opkg upgrade + opkg install kernel-module-g-ether kernel-module-cdc-ether + depmod + reboot |
| 13:40.58 | hanez | cga, thanks... do i need to reflash u-boot too? |
| 13:41.06 | NSGReaper | cga, same problem i'm afraid. it starts to boot then just cuts out. My fault for letting the battery drain i suppose... but i would still expect it to be able to recharge itself. |
| 13:41.10 | hanez | or just the filesystem? |
| 13:41.17 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. |
| 13:41.21 | cga | hanez, i flashed all of them |
| 13:41.35 | hanez | cga, but you have a debug board i think? |
| 13:41.48 | cga | NSGReaper, yes that would be normal... but there's this annoying bug you know.. |
| 13:42.07 | Rorschach | could someone here install zhone on his debian/ubuntu system? |
| 13:42.18 | cga | hanez, no i don't own a debug board. you can flash nand with dfu-util (board is for nor) |
| 13:42.24 | NSGReaper | cga, yeah i know. guess i'll just have to watch the trac |
| 13:42.57 | hanez | cga, ok thank you very much... i will try that now. |
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| 13:43.03 | cga | hanez, np |
| 13:44.24 | NSGReaper | thanks anyway cga |
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| 13:45.16 | LionKMP | Hi! I am unable to set up usb network, whatever image I try. Can someone help? I have qtopia now (troll's one). |
| 13:45.28 | SpeedEvil | LionKMP: can you ping it? |
| 13:45.38 | LionKMP | nope, network unreachable. |
| 13:45.44 | LionKMP | ifconfig looks ok on both side |
| 13:45.54 | malik1972 | i got "ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: Connection refused" the last times |
| 13:46.00 | LionKMP | and if FR is not connected, it does not bring up usb0, but when connected, it does. |
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| 13:48.14 | hipitihop | LionKMP, have you followed USB networking steps on WIKI ? |
| 13:49.12 | LionKMP | hipitihop: well, yes, and I used the "make it static" and "mandriva" instructions. besides seeing ifconfig ok,I don't know what to check. |
| 13:49.22 | LionKMP | moment, maybe not that guide. |
| 13:49.34 | LionKMP | (followed that too many times, unsuccessful, but I try now again) |
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| 13:50.14 | hipitihop | rwhitby, is it safe to do opkg update && opkg upgrade on this build i.e. it has the feeds set correctly ? |
| 13:51.27 | hipitihop | LionKMP, not familiar with Mandriva specific issue, I'm using Ubuntu and have no problems getting usbnet going. However took me a while to go beyond that and out to the internet. But ok now |
| 13:52.46 | LionKMP | the ip adderesses and masks look differenet whichever guide and image I use. e.g. qtopia has 255,255,255,0 as mask, so I added this on the PC too. |
| 13:54.25 | cga | LionKMP, neo's IP needs to be on the same subnet and masks can be either way |
| 13:54.44 | cga | gw needs to be on same subnet too |
| 13:55.33 | LionKMP | inet addr:192.168.0.201 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 13:55.54 | LionKMP | this is on my pc, FR is |
| 13:56.25 | LionKMP | 192.168.0.202 (bcast, mask same as above) |
| 13:56.53 | LionKMP | both can ping itself, but not the other. |
| 13:57.11 | LionKMP | wait! |
| 13:57.12 | LionKMP | wow |
| 13:57.41 | cga | what? |
| 13:57.45 | LionKMP | mandriva firewall was the problem :( (but it was assigned to eth0 on the mandriva control center!) |
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| 13:58.09 | LionKMP | firewall stop, and then I ssh-d into the Fr :) first time in the 3 weeks since I have it! :D |
| 13:58.12 | LionKMP | thanks all |
| 13:58.16 | hipitihop | LionKMP, is the gateway on the fr set to 192.168.0.201 ? |
| 13:59.15 | hipitihop | LionKMP, I think you solved it yourself |
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| 14:04.38 | LionKMP | it is not forwarding packets anyway :( |
| 14:05.26 | LionKMP | I guess I should be able to ping the router on the other side of the PC, is that correct? |
| 14:07.38 | LionKMP | hm, ok, wrong route value on FR. resolved too. |
| 14:08.09 | LionKMP | shouldn't use OM docs for Qtopia ;-) |
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| 14:08.32 | cga | LionKMP, how's Qtopia as a phone??? does it work properly? |
| 14:08.50 | cga | i mean for sim and gsm for calls and sms at least |
| 14:09.12 | LionKMP | cga: yes, calling looks ok, didn't try sms yet. |
| 14:09.26 | sevenhun1red | cga, I can make and receie calls and texts with qtopia |
| 14:09.32 | sevenhun1red | or could |
| 14:09.36 | cga | could? |
| 14:10.08 | sevenhundred | I don't have it anymore |
| 14:12.36 | cga | k |
| 14:13.08 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rab36a303e742 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/ (6 files): license whitespace changes |
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| 14:15.44 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r736fb6b8ca0d 10/framework/subsystems/ (9 files in 3 dirs): fix Jan's email address |
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| 14:16.11 | hipitihop | is there a libnotify for fso ? I'm trying to install gestures |
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| 14:23.43 | hipitihop | anyone know how to install libnotify on latest fso ? |
| 14:24.17 | mickeyl | should be in the feeds |
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| 14:24.50 | mickeyl | http://shr.bearstech.com/ |
| 14:25.15 | hipitihop | mickeyl, opkg list *libnotify* returns nothing... do I need to add a feed ? |
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| 14:25.32 | mickeyl | ya, you probably need to install these feeds first |
| 14:25.42 | mickeyl | 'add' to /etc/ipkg.conf, that is |
| 14:27.40 | iormz_ | Hi, when openmokos boots... it boots with both images... the openmoko one and the booting mode... once the boot image appears... it is replace by and openmoko one... How can I modify it to just show one... |
| 14:28.19 | cga | iormz_, do you have exquisite installed? |
| 14:28.34 | iormz_ | cga, Yes. |
| 14:28.39 | cga | bingo |
| 14:28.47 | iormz_ | Should I remove it ? |
| 14:28.49 | cga | either configure it or remove it |
| 14:28.53 | iormz_ | then... |
| 14:29.00 | iormz_ | is there any docs for that ? |
| 14:29.11 | iormz_ | do you know that path or file that activates it ? |
| 14:29.21 | hipitihop | mickeyl, sorry don't want to waste your time but I don't have /etc/ipkg.conf but do have /etc/ipkg/ with various *.conf no ipkg.conf |
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| 14:29.55 | hipitihop | mickeyl, this is on latest unstable |
| 14:30.20 | cga | iormz_, i don't know of any and don't know how. otherwise i would have kept it and helped you |
| 14:30.51 | iormz_ | cga, thanks anyway.. I am looking in the wiki :) |
| 14:31.07 | cga | iormz_, np && tell me the link if you find it |
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| 14:36.28 | Rigolo | exit |
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| 14:43.44 | Rorschach | take a look I created a little debian-theme for the debian-image with zhone: http://rorschachstagebuch.wordpress.com/ |
| 14:44.04 | Rorschach | I'll work on it the next days to make it look more cool |
| 14:44.24 | lindi- | Rorschach: is white too bright color? |
| 14:45.38 | Rorschach | what you mean with too bright? everything is good viewable and useable imo |
| 14:46.50 | almien | is it tested outdoors in sunlight? ;) |
| 14:47.30 | kd8ikt | glare |
| 14:47.38 | almien | interesting little popup you have on that wordpress site ;) |
| 14:47.46 | lindi- | Rorschach: you might want to ignore me, i'm a fan of black backgrounds: http://iki.fi/lindi/screenshot-2006-12-15.png :) |
| 14:47.50 | Rorschach | almien: no it isn't you're right, that could be a problem :) I'll have to test |
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| 14:48.34 | Rorschach | almien: I don't see any popup, I'm using noscript and adblock but I dunno any other good free blog hoster |
| 14:48.47 | almien | Rorschach: that's just what I found when doing map applications, that outdoors you need huge contrast (yellow/black) to see anything on the OM |
| 14:49.06 | almien | mouseover first image shows preview of a ibunker.us site with an obscene image |
| 14:49.26 | Rorschach | lindi-: I also used a black bg and theme with my fluxbox for years but some weeks ago I changed everything on my desktop to white :) |
| 14:50.09 | Rorschach | almien: thanks for telling, I'll look for another picture hoster :) |
| 14:50.32 | Zorkman | white uses less enegery on the FR :) |
| 14:50.42 | lindi- | Zorkman: ha :) |
| 14:51.08 | Rorschach | almien: I tested, also without noscript or adblock I don't get any popup ? |
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| 14:52.12 | edistar | Zorkman: why does white use less? |
| 14:52.17 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't. |
| 14:52.27 | SpeedEvil | The backlight energy use is constant. |
| 14:52.56 | almien | no, it's not a popup, it's when it generates the preview of the site being linked to, and that site happened to be showing an advert in a div tag when they generated the preview. It probably looks different when different people view it |
| 14:53.17 | Zorkman | yeah, backlight is constant, but when no other powerinput the color is white, you need to bloch the backlight to get black |
| 14:53.22 | Zorkman | (or so i reason) |
| 14:53.34 | almien | anyway, not interesting enough to distract us from the debian theme discussion.. |
| 14:53.46 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: the exact same amount of power is used with black and white |
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| 14:54.32 | Zorkman | http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=fact-or-fiction-black-is here it says that "in newer liquid-crystal display, or LCD, monitors white is actually slightly more energy efficient than black." |
| 14:54.47 | Rorschach | it's raining outside so I can't check the contrast in sunlight right now :) |
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| 15:03.26 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: tests indicate the opposite. |
| 15:03.40 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: IBM monitor - quite old - 19" |
| 15:03.53 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: 2.38A @14V white, 2.2A black |
| 15:04.05 | SpeedEvil | LCD |
| 15:05.16 | Zorkman | you could be right, i could be wrong, but what is your explanation? |
| 15:05.22 | SpeedEvil | I measured it. |
| 15:05.26 | SpeedEvil | I don't need an explanation. |
| 15:05.45 | Zorkman | i like mine (with no actions screen is white, if you want to change color to for example black you will need extra power input) |
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| 15:06.05 | SpeedEvil | You're assuming that white is the normal state |
| 15:06.16 | SpeedEvil | I don't think that's correct. |
| 15:06.22 | SpeedEvil | For most monitors. |
| 15:06.29 | Zorkman | the article i gave you also states it is about newer LCD's, whoever might be right, i'm sure the influence will be very small on the FR |
| 15:06.47 | SpeedEvil | And it states he measured one LCD. |
| 15:06.48 | Zorkman | Yes since, the blacklight will sure as hell not emit "back light" :) |
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| 15:06.51 | SpeedEvil | I'd say you can ignore it. |
| 15:06.55 | Zorkman | *black light i mean |
| 15:07.30 | Zorkman | to get the highest contrast/lightintensity, a white backlight seems sensible. |
| 15:07.56 | Zorkman | i don't find it important, but if you stumble upon an article about this i'dd like it if you showed it to me, i always like to learn new stuff |
| 15:08.36 | Zorkman | i'm off to distribution models, cya |
| 15:09.59 | SpeedEvil | You don't get to argue (as that article does) against a extensive 2002 research study by measuring one monitor IMO. |
| 15:09.59 | SpeedEvil | The backlight is indeed white. (on LCDs, on projectors it may be a colourwheel, or strobed RGB LEDs) |
| 15:10.40 | SpeedEvil | wave |
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| 15:11.08 | SpeedEvil | And I find it annoying that SciAm allowed that sort of crap to be published. :/ |
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| 15:17.06 | ab0oo | is there a secret to getting battery info in deb/zhone? |
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| 15:18.13 | Rorschach | ab0oo: on the top, the right bar shows the capacity of the battery |
| 15:18.28 | ab0oo | not mine |
| 15:18.28 | Rorschach | there's no charging indication until now afaik |
| 15:18.39 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
| 15:18.53 | ab0oo | and /proc/apm is borked |
| 15:19.55 | mickeyl | charging information on freerunner only works with CC batteries |
| 15:20.08 | ab0oo | can`t figure cut/paste to show you |
| 15:20.10 | mickeyl | s/charging/battery |
| 15:20.17 | mickeyl | (i.e. the one shipped with the FreeRunner) |
| 15:20.31 | ab0oo | this is that |
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| 15:23.36 | ab0oo | meh, can't hunt and peck that fast on the moko keyboard. |
| 15:24.23 | torindel | ab0oo: try fso keyboard with xrandr -o left/right |
| 15:24.38 | torindel | just beware of Xglamo bugs ;] |
| 15:24.47 | ab0oo | there's bugs in xglamo? |
| 15:24.51 | ab0oo | ;) |
| 15:25.02 | torindel | yea with rotating screen |
| 15:25.07 | ab0oo | debian-gta02:~# cat /proc/apm |
| 15:25.07 | ab0oo | 1.13 1.2 0x02 0xff 0xff 0xff -1% -1 ? |
| 15:25.25 | ab0oo | that's with a FIC LiIon batter |
| 15:25.27 | torindel | for me most of time it works, but sometimes you can get colorful strips on screen |
| 15:25.40 | ab0oo | color is nice... |
| 15:26.19 | ab0oo | is there somewhere else that the battery info would hang out? |
| 15:26.39 | torindel | in /sys |
| 15:26.58 | torindel | look on wiki |
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| 15:28.16 | lindi- | ab0oo: use 'mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/bat org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.GetEnergyPercentage' |
| 15:28.42 | torindel | lindi-: you're assuming he uses fso |
| 15:28.48 | lindi- | accessing /sys directly is so old-fashioned nowadays :) |
| 15:28.54 | lindi- | torindel: yes, from "debian-gta02" |
| 15:29.00 | ab0oo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.08 | ab0oo | that's grim |
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| 15:29.20 | torindel | check sysfs first |
| 15:30.36 | SpeedEvil | find /sys -name "battvolt" |
| 15:31.04 | ab0oo | yeah, hang on. I changed batteries in the middle, and everything went sideways. |
| 15:31.06 | ab0oo | rebooting. |
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| 15:31.56 | ab0oo | I was running on one of the FIC spares I got with the phone. I'm going back to the orginal battery now |
| 15:32.17 | ab0oo | after an fsck, since it powered down unclean |
| 15:32.24 | Shlee | I'm sure this has been asked before but - anyone know a clean easy way to handle two sims? |
| 15:33.45 | ab0oo | torindel: this may be a battery problem... in the boot messages, there were all kinds of messages about bat state and voltage and charge current |
| 15:34.00 | ab0oo | or, I might be a fool. It's a real tossup. |
| 15:34.06 | SpeedEvil | shoragan: unfortunately, the low-level stuff isn't there to handle it cleanly. |
| 15:34.36 | SpeedEvil | shoragan: you really basically need two radios to use two SIMs. |
| 15:35.41 | torindel | speaking of batteries anyone used any high capacity nokia replacements in moko? |
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| 15:38.20 | ab0oo | looks like my ext2 partition is corrupt. I'll be back after I fix it |
| 15:39.31 | ab0oo | ahh, the second fsck fixed it. |
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| 15:44.14 | hanez_ | gca, thanks for your help! i reflashed the kernel and the disc image. now my usb0 device works again. i didn't reflashed u-boot... |
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| 15:45.47 | SpeedEvil | Yay! |
| 15:46.00 | SpeedEvil | You should only rarely need to reflash ubooy |
| 15:46.06 | SpeedEvil | s/y/t? |
| 15:46.10 | Rorschach | s |
| 15:46.15 | SpeedEvil | s/?// |
| 15:46.24 | Rorschach | Dave: did you got your audio-problem fixed? |
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| 15:47.06 | ab0oo | well, now I have valid battery info. |
| 15:47.51 | mickeyl | good |
| 15:47.59 | mickeyl | i've been complaining about that as well |
| 15:48.06 | ab0oo | odd. it seems to be battery-specific |
| 15:48.06 | mickeyl | the powers said we should not care |
| 15:48.11 | mickeyl | since it's very complex |
| 15:48.16 | ab0oo | but both batteries are "identical" |
| 15:48.18 | mickeyl | as you can change batteries in-between |
| 15:48.25 | mickeyl | sure? |
| 15:48.33 | mickeyl | you should have only one CC battery |
| 15:48.36 | mickeyl | and one TH |
| 15:48.37 | mickeyl | or more |
| 15:48.45 | mickeyl | (or you have more Freerunners) |
| 15:48.58 | ab0oo | ahhh... |
| 15:49.07 | ab0oo | one is an HF084, the other an HF086 |
| 15:49.13 | ab0oo | ok, that's a crock of crap |
| 15:49.27 | mickeyl | you can see at the + - signs |
| 15:49.33 | mickeyl | the freerunner will show |
| 15:49.37 | mickeyl | (+) CC (-) |
| 15:49.41 | mickeyl | the neo1973 will show |
| 15:49.44 | mickeyl | (+) TH (-) |
| 15:49.45 | ab0oo | I would think that my extra $50 would get me identical batteries |
| 15:49.52 | ab0oo | no, they both say CC on them |
| 15:49.57 | mickeyl | urks |
| 15:50.02 | mickeyl | that's strange |
| 15:50.09 | mickeyl | then one is broken or fake or whatnot |
| 15:50.11 | mickeyl | please add a ticket |
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| 15:50.17 | mickeyl | perhaps they change the CC supplier |
| 15:50.23 | mickeyl | and then the kernel needs to adjust |
| 15:50.24 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
| 15:50.44 | ab0oo | the only difference is the HC086 on the "working" battery and the HF084 on the "Questionable" battery |
| 15:51.00 | ab0oo | let me get my ducks in a row, and I'll open a ticket. |
| 15:51.56 | ab0oo | so, the deb image doesn't do the true "suspend" like the 2008.8 image, right? so battery life will be back to the 6-7 hours like with 2007.2? |
| 15:52.15 | ab0oo | deb just seems to dim the screen. |
| 15:52.45 | mickeyl | zhone will suspend if you hold power button for two seconds |
| 15:52.52 | mickeyl | and then release |
| 15:53.02 | ab0oo | and incoming calls will or will not wake it up? |
| 15:53.23 | mickeyl | will |
| 15:53.35 | mickeyl | otherwise the suspend would be of no use |
| 15:53.39 | mickeyl | imo |
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| 15:54.00 | ab0oo | right. agree completely, but I still feel like I'm in the "I have to ask" phase. :) |
| 15:54.45 | mickeyl | :) |
| 15:55.01 | dcordes | mickeyl: I would like to poke around a bit with gsm in fso on the kaiser but don't know where to start. could you provide some pointers? |
| 15:55.02 | ab0oo | have you always lived in frankfurt? |
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| 15:57.11 | mickeyl | ab0oo: yeah. born there, went to school, went to uni, got my Ph.d, working as freelancer :) |
| 15:57.20 | mickeyl | dcordes: sure. |
| 15:57.28 | mickeyl | ok, so the canonical way to do that is: |
| 15:57.47 | mickeyl | first you need to decide whether this is a multiplex device or not |
| 15:57.59 | mickeyl | if so, are there limitations on which commands work on which channels? |
| 15:58.11 | mickeyl | you probably need to create a HTC modem class |
| 15:58.12 | dcordes | shrugs |
| 15:58.15 | mickeyl | see modems/ |
| 15:58.16 | ab0oo | it's an underrated city in my book. I lived/worked in Darmstadt and Hanau for a few years in the mid-90s, and still miss the whole region. |
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| 15:58.29 | dcordes | mickeyl: how can I figure out? |
| 15:58.48 | mickeyl | check whether your device features the MUX command |
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| 15:58.55 | mickeyl | check whether gsm0710muxd runs there |
| 15:59.03 | mickeyl | if so, you are lucky |
| 15:59.08 | mickeyl | [not much to change then] |
| 15:59.11 | ab0oo | my lone claim to linux fame back then was meeding Olaf Kirch (Network Administrators Guide for Linux) for beer in the Darmstadt Ratskeller |
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| 16:02.10 | dcordes | mickeyl: does fso-console-image sufice for this? |
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| 16:02.44 | MadTBone | hmm...for some reason I can never get a GPS fix....no SD card inserted... |
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| 16:02.52 | mickeyl | dcordes: yeah |
| 16:03.26 | dcordes | ok building one |
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| 16:08.16 | torindel | MadTBone: a) go outside b) wait 10 mins |
| 16:08.47 | torindel | can get first fix in 140 secs with sd card |
| 16:10.15 | MadTBone | torindel: yeah...I've tried that. The 2007.2 image used to give me first fix in only a few min. But now I never get a fix. I was outside for over an hour yesterday w/ gps running and nofix |
| 16:10.36 | MadTBone | torindel: using FSO now |
| 16:10.57 | torindel | fso milestone2 should work too |
| 16:11.09 | MadTBone | torindel: yep..that's what I'm running |
| 16:11.33 | MadTBone | torindel: I don't get what's different |
| 16:11.42 | torindel | and note |
| 16:11.47 | torindel | fso doesnt use gpsd |
| 16:12.04 | torindel | in case you tryied playing around |
| 16:12.27 | MadTBone | torindel: well, the zhone gps app should work....right? |
| 16:12.49 | torindel | yep |
| 16:12.50 | MadTBone | yeah....I get nothing |
| 16:12.53 | torindel | you just need to keep it open all the time |
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| 16:16.44 | Tig|away | MadTBone: FSO gps zhone app and tangogps work fine here |
| 16:17.00 | Tig|away | MadTBone: you are not lying it flat on a table are you? |
| 16:17.41 | torindel | MadTBone: gps antena is in top of moko, try keeping it top to sky, not display to sky |
| 16:17.43 | MadTBone | Tig|away: no. yesterday I had it in a belt clip..gps antenna side up. |
| 16:18.21 | Tig|away | MadTBone: odd then I get a fix in about 60 secs or so. not timed it but it is quite fast |
| 16:18.59 | MadTBone | Tig|away: yeah...I used to get a fix in a min or two |
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| 16:19.37 | Flinx | Hello |
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| 16:21.30 | Flinx | I'm looking into upgrading from 2007.6 to 2008.8 |
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| 16:21.42 | osteenbergen | HI, i was thinking about buying the freerunner and i want to know how usable it is / battery life |
| 16:21.50 | Flinx | which files am I downloading.. cause theres GTA02, and then ones without the GTA02 |
| 16:23.20 | osteenbergen | can anyone help me? |
| 16:23.23 | LuYu | has anyone mounted their freerunner as a harddrive -- as opposed to a networked device? |
| 16:23.28 | malik1972 | osteenbergen: it depends on your usage, 50 hours i would say with the current suspen/resume handling and normal usage |
| 16:24.06 | osteenbergen | well i use a lot of standby time and some time for wifi internet |
| 16:25.14 | osteenbergen | so here is my next question: how well is the internet browsing capoabilities? |
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| 16:25.20 | hanez_ | hmm, now my moko doesn't ask for the gsm pin at bootup anymore...? any hints? |
| 16:26.22 | malik1972 | osteenberg: you have the choice between the different browsers, midori, minimo, openmoko-browsers, links-x11... |
| 16:26.22 | e_s_p | So, I have to hold down the power button for about 15-20 seconds before my phone boots up |
| 16:26.25 | e_s_p | Is that fixable? |
| 16:26.44 | e_s_p | malik1972: do any browsers work with 2008.8? |
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| 16:27.24 | malik1972 | e_s_p sure, i tried minimo and midori |
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| 16:28.03 | malik1972 | e_s_p 15-20 sec? mine 5-6 sec ... |
| 16:28.20 | osteenbergen | is there a website which shows all applications available for the freerunner? |
| 16:28.22 | e_s_p | Maybe I'm over-estimating because it's an annoying delay |
| 16:29.39 | malik1972 | e_s_p dont be annoyed, install it and have some fun |
| 16:30.53 | malik1972 | e_s_p there are really annoying things, believe me |
| 16:34.13 | pjz | e_s_p: geez, it's a freakin' dev phone - you should be prepared to deal with much more annying things than a 5-6s boot delay. Esp. since that's just a ontetime boot up thing - most of the tim eyou'll proabbaly be resuming from suspecnd (which is much faster) and not boting up |
| 16:34.46 | e_s_p | It's been a dev phone for two effing years |
| 16:35.23 | e_s_p | The phone that was released a month or two ago I just bought two weeks ago has software that's been completely replaced |
| 16:35.28 | e_s_p | Totally unstable software, by the way |
| 16:35.38 | e_s_p | Also, as a DEV phone, where's my DEV documentation? |
| 16:35.52 | e_s_p | How am I supposed to do any DEV on this thing if the API changes all the time? |
| 16:36.17 | e_s_p | And, yeah, I guess TURNING THE PHONE ON is some kind of fancy bells-and-whistles in some circles |
| 16:36.24 | e_s_p | But for me it seems a pretty core feature |
| 16:36.42 | e_s_p | I'm happy to support Free phones |
| 16:36.57 | cga | e_s_p, get lost |
| 16:37.07 | e_s_p | cga: no |
| 16:37.22 | e_s_p | Sorry, but "It's just a dev phone" doesn't cut it any more |
| 16:37.39 | cga | e_s_p, i guess that the delay for power button it's like that so you can boot in NAND (power+aux) |
| 16:37.47 | e_s_p | Ah |
| 16:37.49 | e_s_p | That's interesting |
| 16:38.00 | cga | i just *guess* |
| 16:38.10 | Wonka | also for not turning it on accidentially |
| 16:38.12 | e_s_p | Amusiingly, holding down the aux button and booting is way faster |
| 16:38.27 | Wonka | my siemens also takes some seconds of pressing the button |
| 16:38.30 | cga | e_s_p, anyway you could have got another phone (who said i*) |
| 16:38.39 | e_s_p | cga: sure, I could have |
| 16:38.47 | e_s_p | But I send $400 to FIC instead |
| 16:39.01 | e_s_p | s/send/sent/ |
| 16:39.07 | e_s_p | NICE! |
| 16:39.19 | e_s_p | I'm embarrassed to show this phone to people |
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| 16:39.36 | Tanuva | I'm not. |
| 16:39.39 | cga | well if spent your money to whine and complain you can always stop it and comtribute |
| 16:39.44 | Wonka | it makes a quite nice gps device |
| 16:39.45 | e_s_p | Tanuva: what do you show people? |
| 16:40.00 | e_s_p | Wonka: how's that? |
| 16:40.07 | Tanuva | e_s_p: because the neo is a f*in neat device, regardless of it's actual software |
| 16:40.20 | e_s_p | Tanuva: what good is it without software? |
| 16:40.28 | Tanuva | it HAS software ;) |
| 16:40.33 | Wonka | e_s_p: it's got a gps chip, that's why |
| 16:40.38 | e_s_p | I love telling people, "It's got great GPS and accelerometers" |
| 16:40.41 | Tanuva | Wonka: and wlan! :D |
| 16:40.47 | e_s_p | Yeah, they're great |
| 16:40.55 | Wonka | e_s_p: also, with tangogps, it's a zooming map browser |
| 16:40.58 | e_s_p | But I'd like to have something to demo |
| 16:41.04 | e_s_p | tangogps++ |
| 16:41.05 | Tanuva | and I can hack my own shiny mp3 player on it and be happy |
| 16:41.06 | cga | e_s_p, i give you a working htc diamond with windows mobile if you get lost |
| 16:41.30 | e_s_p | cga: seriously, are you happy with the value of this phone? |
| 16:41.42 | e_s_p | Are you optimistic about it ever being usable for a general audience? |
| 16:41.45 | cga | i am since i knew what was going to be |
| 16:41.54 | cga | i do am |
| 16:42.04 | e_s_p | OK, good |
| 16:42.07 | e_s_p | I'd like to be |
| 16:42.11 | e_s_p | I can't say I am, though |
| 16:42.22 | edistar | e_s_p: try hypnotism ;) |
| 16:42.34 | e_s_p | I think after a year of development from the Neo1973, we should see better results |
| 16:42.49 | cga | edistar, mantras work too... namiopenmokorenghekio! |
| 16:42.54 | e_s_p | And I think that totally switching the UI around was a completely crazy move |
| 16:43.03 | e_s_p | I'm glad I didn't do any dev for 2007.2 |
| 16:43.05 | Wonka | omm mani padme hum |
| 16:43.18 | cga | Wonka, that's for the dead... |
| 16:43.31 | Tanuva | *fg* |
| 16:43.31 | Wonka | cga: not for those who got lost? |
| 16:43.34 | cga | lol |
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| 16:44.08 | cga | ok e_s_p , so now? |
| 16:44.30 | Tanuva | argh, I really need to get used to python's self. everywhere >.< |
| 16:46.17 | Wonka | import soul |
| 16:46.36 | Zorkman | ej cga, you can always send me that htc diamond, i need a working phone while waiting for the FR to mature :) |
| 16:46.57 | Wonka | *g* |
| 16:46.58 | Zorkman | a friend has lend me his old phone for over 5months now and the screen is starting to fail :) |
| 16:47.22 | Wonka | has his old Siemens S65 as a phone and GPRS modem... |
| 16:47.42 | Wonka | damn 3G SIM problem |
| 16:47.48 | Zorkman | it's also a siemens i have now |
| 16:48.28 | e_s_p | cga: so now what? |
| 16:48.47 | Zorkman | e_s_p: i'm just joining, but what is the problem? |
| 16:48.49 | e_s_p | Would I dev for the phone right now? Probably not for a little while. |
| 16:49.20 | Zorkman | that's up to you e_s_p; personally i would prefer if you develeopped a kick-ass program :) |
| 16:49.22 | Flinx | Hi Zorkman |
| 16:49.29 | Zorkman | hi Flinx |
| 16:49.39 | e_s_p | Zorkman: I'd like to have a native client for Identi.ca on the FR |
| 16:49.49 | e_s_p | Main reason I bought it |
| 16:49.56 | e_s_p | Free client software for Free network services |
| 16:50.22 | Flinx | When you guys are done, I'd like a bit better tutorial on connecting to, and flashing my FR ;) The wiki is a bit thin on the actual "How to connect" bit. |
| 16:50.43 | Zorkman | what problems are you experiencing Flinx? can you ssh into your phone? |
| 16:51.04 | Zorkman | the wiki is actually quite usefull on that topic (that is at least my experience, I could do it as a total linux noob :)) |
| 16:51.25 | Zorkman | e_s_p: so what is stopping you to make an app with a nice gui for that on the FR? |
| 16:51.49 | e_s_p | Zorkman: probably the switcheroo on UI that's happened lately with 2007.2 -> 2008.8 |
| 16:51.58 | Flinx | Zorkman, its a vanilla 2007.6 out of the box. I'm thinking that I want to more to the 2008.8 |
| 16:51.59 | e_s_p | I don't know where to invest dev time |
| 16:52.04 | Zorkman | e_s_p: the 2007.2 programls work fine on 2008.8 |
| 16:52.25 | Zorkman | i use for example the mediaplayer from 2007.2 in 2008.8 |
| 16:52.34 | Zorkman | or the terminal to give you another example |
| 16:52.38 | Tanuva | is the moko-gtk theme maybe partly broken? |
| 16:52.39 | Tanuva | ./tanump.py:20: GtkWarning: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "moko-engine", progbar = gtk.ProgressBar() |
| 16:52.44 | Flinx | Zorkman, and I'm not sure what the address I'm using for SSH is >.< |
| 16:52.57 | Zorkman | Flinx: 2007.6 really does not exist.. you probably mean 2007.2 if you have not reflashed |
| 16:53.13 | Zorkman | flinx: your phone will be 192.168.0.202 |
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| 16:53.26 | Zorkman | and your phone will see your desktop as 192.168.0.200 |
| 16:54.08 | Flinx | Zorkman, yeah.. thats the one >.< I keep forgetting what that last digit is... |
| 16:54.33 | Zorkman | np :) |
| 16:54.50 | Tanuva | the neo has the smaller case, got therefore the higher (202 > 200) number... XD |
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| 16:54.55 | Zorkman | Flinx: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions gives a nice overview |
| 16:55.00 | Flinx | I know |
| 16:55.05 | Flinx | I've been reading a lot. |
| 16:56.07 | Flinx | just when I go to the downloads page there are things "Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.rootfs.jffs2" and "Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2" |
| 16:56.19 | Flinx | which seem eerilly similar except for the GTA02 |
| 16:56.25 | Zorkman | flinx: have you followed the three commands that are stated on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking ? this should enable you to ssh in to the phone |
| 16:56.40 | Flinx | >.< |
| 16:56.45 | Flinx | I haven't seen that one yet... |
| 16:56.59 | Zorkman | that's the one you need to set up usb networking :) |
| 16:57.12 | Flinx | I should add that to the Wiki on Flashing... it'd be nice. |
| 16:57.44 | Zorkman | Flinx: if you follow http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner you will first encounter the usb networking |
| 16:58.03 | Zorkman | to flash you don't even need your usb network |
| 16:58.21 | Flinx | >.> I printed and read that... |
| 16:58.58 | LuYu | are there any IM or IRC apps for the freerunner? |
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| 16:59.21 | Zorkman | LuYu: pidgin works (icq, irc, msn, google...) |
| 16:59.40 | LuYu | it wasnt in the package list |
| 16:59.47 | Zorkman | LuYu: it is in the rabenfrost celltune feeds, but you have to manually install the dependencies |
| 16:59.50 | LuYu | where can i get a build? |
| 16:59.57 | LuYu | oh |
| 17:00.02 | LuYu | sounds like fun |
| 17:01.13 | Zorkman | cd /etc/opkg && wget http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/celtune-rabenfrost.conf |
| 17:01.18 | Zorkman | and then you have the feed |
| 17:01.29 | Zorkman | but i think they took pidgin out of the list, but it is still there |
| 17:02.11 | LuYu | wow |
| 17:02.14 | LuYu | mokopedia |
| 17:02.24 | Zorkman | (you need to remove the gta01 specific lines from this file) |
| 17:02.28 | LuYu | what is that? a wikipedia version for the OM? |
| 17:02.35 | Zorkman | jup |
| 17:03.30 | LuYu | oops |
| 17:03.38 | Zorkman | de.wiki is still 6.8GB though :) |
| 17:03.42 | LuYu | i should have done that before the update, huh |
| 17:03.44 | Zorkman | but they have full text search (in 20s) |
| 17:03.52 | Zorkman | jup :) |
| 17:04.07 | Zorkman | but if you jsut updated no harm don,e just update again, with the lines removed or uncommented |
| 17:04.08 | LuYu | well, i guess ill just have to wait and run it again |
| 17:04.35 | LuYu | the older packages do work, though, right? |
| 17:04.38 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r748949c4c3ae 10/mickeydbus/ (TODO mdbus): mickeydbus: add prettyprinting |
| 17:05.27 | Zorkman | ah i see de wiki is 1.3GB |
| 17:05.58 | Flinx | geeze.. USB networking is really complicated >.< |
| 17:06.20 | Zorkman | Flinx: you only have to do those three first code-boxes and you're already logged in |
| 17:06.21 | LuYu | yeah, as soon as i got wifi working, i stopped using USB |
| 17:06.24 | cga | Flinx, there *nothing* complicated about it.... |
| 17:06.27 | Zorkman | that's not too complicated, even i can do it ;-) |
| 17:07.08 | LuYu | thats why i want to mount the FR as a hard drive now (like moto) |
| 17:07.39 | LuYu | if i plug it in now, the routing table will get messed up again |
| 17:07.52 | LuYu | and i couldnt get NAT working properly with USB |
| 17:08.38 | LuYu | is anyone making an FBReader package for the OM? |
| 17:10.13 | Zorkman | not that i know of... ==> you make it! :) |
| 17:10.25 | Zorkman | there is something called gutenflash, nbut i can't get it to run :( |
| 17:11.14 | Flinx | >.> that was actually pretty easy.. |
| 17:11.15 | Zorkman | (btw: there seems to be already a Sharp Zaurus with Qtopia-Based ROM for FBReader, so i guess it wouldn't be too complicated to port it...) |
| 17:11.28 | LuYu | yeah |
| 17:11.45 | LuYu | ive been using it on my Z for a few months now |
| 17:11.59 | LuYu | also, on my E6 |
| 17:12.10 | Zorkman | and do you like it |
| 17:12.11 | Zorkman | ? |
| 17:12.14 | LuYu | it would be nice to have it on the OM |
| 17:12.23 | LuYu | FBReader rocks |
| 17:12.52 | Zorkman | let's hope it get's ported soon :) |
| 17:13.02 | LuYu | it still has some limitations, but its better than using opera -- at least for reading books -- which is what i was doing before |
| 17:13.10 | LuYu | it probably will |
| 17:13.17 | Zorkman | there is a wishlist on the wiki, but i don't think many people use it :( you could send a suggestion to the community list |
| 17:13.21 | LuYu | its been ported to damn near everything else |
| 17:13.45 | LuYu | hmmm |
| 17:14.01 | LuYu | i imagine a port wouldnt be hard |
| 17:14.42 | LuYu | i mean, it already works on openEZX |
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| 17:15.21 | Flinx | is there a command for downloading the latest signatures for opkg? |
| 17:16.12 | swc|666 | hmmm... anyone figured out how to copy and paste in debain? |
| 17:17.26 | LuYu | just highlight the text and got to where you want to paste it and click the middle mouse button (the wheel) |
| 17:17.37 | LuYu | or the right and left buttons together |
| 17:17.50 | LuYu | you can copy and paste without touching the keyboard |
| 17:18.42 | swc|666 | i mean on the freerunner |
| 17:19.12 | swc|666 | i use xvkbd mostly, and there isnt an insert button :/ |
| 17:19.16 | LuYu | oh, thats got to be more difficult |
| 17:19.21 | swc|666 | very |
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| 17:27.00 | goldenhawk | Is Jordie P. in here? |
| 17:27.50 | lindi- | hmm. it seemsto be almost possible to irc with the th |
| 17:28.09 | lindi- | outchscreen |
| 17:28.35 | Flinx | I lost the SSH connection to my FR after i tried doing an "opkg update" |
| 17:29.12 | goldenhawk | Flinx: update or upgrade? update wouldn't cause that sort of thing, and it'd probably be unrelated. |
| 17:31.19 | *** topic/#openmoko by goldenhawk -> Openmoko user lounge | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | DO NOT USE buildhost.openmoko.org TO UPGRADE 2008.8 IT WILL NEVER EVER WORK | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet. | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keyboard number- for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
| 17:32.36 | *** topic/#openmoko by goldenhawk -> Openmoko user lounge | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | DO NOT USE buildhost.openmoko.org TO UPGRADE 2008.8 IT WILL NEVER EVER WORK | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet. | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
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| 17:34.51 | LuYu | are all the "optional" repositories included with the FR? |
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| 17:35.16 | LuYu | it seems like they are all already in my /etc/opkg directory |
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| 17:36.58 | LuYu | the angstrom repo entry seems to be messed up on the FR |
| 17:37.15 | LuYu | it had an extra front slash after the entry |
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| 17:37.21 | LuYu | so, the packages didnt appear |
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| 17:37.41 | LuYu | deleting the last front slash fixes the problem |
| 17:40.19 | Flinx | goldenhawk, just update. it complained about not being able to download anything then then froze the terminal |
| 17:41.03 | goldenhawk | Flinx: Seems like a snafu. I don't think it's related to the opkg update. |
| 17:41.13 | Flinx | *nods* |
| 17:41.28 | Flinx | methinks a reboot of the phone is in order. |
| 17:41.54 | Flinx | oh.. question though.. setting up says "ideally" as root |
| 17:42.03 | Flinx | would sudo count as Ideally? |
| 17:42.13 | goldenhawk | Flinx: What says that? |
| 17:42.36 | Flinx | sorry.. |
| 17:42.44 | Flinx | the USB networking set up |
| 17:42.45 | Flinx | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 17:43.04 | edistar | Flinx: yes |
| 17:44.27 | Flinx | kay |
| 17:44.59 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mail 07zhone * r1493f30ffb32 10/src/zhone: (log message trimmed) |
| 17:44.59 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Handle non-complete phone numbers in the phonebook |
| 17:44.59 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: When comparing phone numbers to label SMS appropriately, use |
| 17:44.59 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: this logic: |
| 17:44.59 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Compares two phone numbers. They are considered equal if: |
| 17:45.01 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: a) Both start with a "+", and all following digits are equal |
| 17:45.03 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: or |
| 17:45.51 | torindel | transmision interupted -__- |
| 17:46.07 | AntonTakk | probably flood control |
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| 17:47.11 | Flinx | weird... |
| 17:47.23 | Flinx | as soon as I put the commands back in, it works again |
| 17:48.44 | dcordes | mickey_away: fso-console-image is sort of broken |
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| 17:50.23 | AntonTakk | grrr, asu just locked up. going back to fso |
| 17:50.23 | goldenhawk | Is Jordie P. in here? |
| 17:51.23 | goldenhawk | Is it possible to make phone calls with fso? I tried clicking on the little check mark to dial and nothing happened. |
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| 17:53.33 | lindi- | goldenhawk: run frameworkd so that you see its output |
| 17:53.51 | goldenhawk | lindi-: Okay. :) |
| 17:53.55 | torindel | goldenhawk: you got empty sms box and contact lists? |
| 17:54.38 | goldenhawk | I don't have my phone handy at the moment, and I only tried FSO as an experiment because it's the only officially supported debian stack so far. |
| 17:54.59 | goldenhawk | Now that I know it's actually supposed to let me make calls I'll debug more thoroughly. |
| 17:55.18 | lindi- | goldenhawk: frameworkd output should be quite verbose |
| 17:55.29 | goldenhawk | lindi-: Cool. Thanks :) |
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| 18:03.03 | Flinx | is anyone here using the ScaredyCat build? |
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| 18:12.19 | Flinx | new question.. |
| 18:12.51 | Flinx | When downloading the 2008.8 images, I want the ones that say GTA02 (for Free Runner) right? |
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| 18:13.31 | torindel | yep |
| 18:13.54 | Flinx | kay :D |
| 18:13.58 | Flinx | I'm going to try this now. |
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| 18:18.11 | Flinx | I just need the rootfs.jffs, and the ulimage.bin right? |
| 18:18.58 | AntonTakk | hrm, something wrong with the opkg repos in fso ms2? |
| 18:20.48 | mmaestri | AntonTakk: fso m2 repos are just a placeholder |
| 18:20.50 | everslick | Flinx: yes, both. you could also flash the latest uboot, if you don't have done it alreasdy |
| 18:21.07 | mmaestri | my-distribution.org isn't an actual repo |
| 18:21.31 | Flinx | right, |
| 18:21.42 | Flinx | the tar.gz is the same as jffs? |
| 18:21.50 | Flinx | cause thats what it looks lik |
| 18:21.51 | everslick | no |
| 18:21.54 | everslick | untar it first |
| 18:22.07 | Flinx | kay. |
| 18:22.15 | everslick | Flinx: please read: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 18:22.27 | Flinx | I have been. actually. |
| 18:22.31 | AntonTakk | mmaestri: so there are no repos for fso? |
| 18:23.27 | mmaestri | yes there are some repos |
| 18:23.33 | mmaestri | wait |
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| 18:24.39 | mmaestri | AntonTakk: let me fire up my fr so i can pastebin it to you |
| 18:25.59 | ronny | i need them, too ;P |
| 18:26.17 | AntonTakk | mmaestri: thanks a ton :) |
| 18:26.21 | Flinx | everslick, I only see the jffs and bin files being used. |
| 18:26.42 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r865d08c6bcd0 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input-helpers.h input-helpers.vapi): Fix call to held key timeout. TODO: Rework the logic, kinda goofed up |
| 18:27.40 | everslick | Flinx: what? |
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| 18:28.04 | everslick | rootfs must be an jffs |
| 18:28.15 | everslick | kernel is a bin file |
| 18:29.22 | Flinx | Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.uImage.bin -- this looks like the uBoot |
| 18:29.36 | Flinx | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ -- I'm looking at this. |
| 18:29.38 | everslick | no its a kernel |
| 18:29.49 | Flinx | ah |
| 18:30.30 | mmaestri | http://www.mibbit.com/pb/sDl7ak |
| 18:30.35 | everslick | uImage == kernel, uboot-gta02v5-...bin == uboot |
| 18:30.56 | mmaestri | AntonTakk, ronny: take care of celtune |
| 18:30.59 | Flinx | alrgiht.. where is that one loagates? |
| 18:31.07 | Flinx | Located >.< |
| 18:31.20 | everslick | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin |
| 18:31.26 | mmaestri | comment it when doing an update && upgrade |
| 18:32.00 | Flinx | thanks :D |
| 18:32.01 | mmaestri | and uncomment it when needing a package from there |
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| 18:32.22 | everslick | yaw |
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| 18:33.28 | mmaestri | it might be useful to make a script that does it automagically, so you don't have to remember it. i broke 2 fso images before i started to take care of it... |
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| 18:37.02 | AntonTakk | thanks |
| 18:37.20 | AntonTakk | here's to hoping gestures works in fso :) |
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| 18:40.53 | mmaestri | AntonTakk: it runs, at least |
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| 18:41.13 | Flinx | hrm... there seems to be a discrepancy between, Flashing the Neo FreeRunner, and Booting the Neo FreeRunner |
| 18:42.46 | Flinx | Flashing says to -not- choose anything from the NOR boot menu, but booting says that you should set Console to USB to flash. |
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| 18:43.49 | cga | Flinx, you don't need to set usb. flashing it's right |
| 18:44.10 | Flinx | so I should delete the comment on Booting? |
| 18:44.14 | cga | but there are people discussing this issue. leave wiki as is for now. i had the same doubt |
| 18:44.18 | Flinx | Oh... |
| 18:44.19 | Flinx | okay |
| 18:44.25 | cga | np |
| 18:44.29 | Flinx | maybe someone should make a note on it? |
| 18:44.44 | cga | you can join the discussion if you want |
| 18:45.00 | Flinx | I wouldn't know what to discuss.. |
| 18:45.09 | cga | eh neither do i |
| 18:45.12 | Flinx | just that it should probably be noted on the Booting page. |
| 18:46.09 | Flinx | I'm always hesitant to change wiki-pages >.< |
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| 18:50.50 | Flinx | cute... the bootscreen has a pair of boots on it |
| 18:51.33 | AntonTakk | opkg segfaults on shr and totaluberwhatever packages |
| 18:52.06 | Ainulindale | "On SHR" ? |
| 18:52.08 | Ainulindale | That means nothing |
| 18:52.15 | Ainulindale | There's no official SHR image. |
| 18:52.24 | AntonTakk | i didn't say there were |
| 18:52.30 | AntonTakk | but there are shr packages |
| 18:52.38 | AntonTakk | and opkg segfaults on them |
| 18:52.56 | Ainulindale | There are no SHR packages |
| 18:53.00 | Ainulindale | There are FSO packages. |
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| 18:53.35 | AntonTakk | have the repo coinfigs somewhere? |
| 18:53.38 | AntonTakk | configs* |
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| 18:53.58 | AntonTakk | shr sure does seem to have a repo thou :) |
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| 18:54.19 | Ainulindale | There is no SHR package repo. |
| 18:54.25 | mmaestri | AntonTakk: no, it's not the repos |
| 18:55.15 | mmaestri | your opkg segfaults because you're using the first fso m2, which is broken |
| 18:55.39 | mmaestri | look for some newer image and you're done with that |
| 18:55.39 | AntonTakk | is ther a newer fso image i should be using instead? |
| 18:55.46 | mmaestri | yes |
| 18:56.20 | mmaestri | http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 18:56.39 | mmaestri | thats from yesterday :P |
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| 18:59.20 | AntonTakk | does it have the dial pad during call fix? |
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| 19:03.38 | mmaestri | AntonTakk: don't know...not using it as phone, actually |
| 19:04.28 | AntonTakk | pfft :) |
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| 19:06.09 | Ainulindale | AntonTakk: My fix was included a week ago |
| 19:06.12 | Ainulindale | So I guess it is in |
| 19:06.19 | Ainulindale | You should ask alphaone |
| 19:07.59 | AntonTakk | Ainulindale: cool, know of a goot tutorial for python/etk? |
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| 19:10.10 | Ainulindale | AntonTakk: zhone is |
| 19:11.33 | edistar | AntonTakk: there are none |
| 19:11.37 | edistar | Ainulindale: zhone is not etk |
| 19:11.48 | Ainulindale | edistar: Misread what he wrote |
| 19:12.06 | Ainulindale | (I'm doing other things :-) ) |
| 19:12.07 | edistar | don't even know if etk is supported yet.. |
| 19:12.20 | Flinx | >.< |
| 19:12.22 | edistar | Ainulindale: yeah, luckily :) when is SHR coming? ;) |
| 19:12.27 | Flinx | gr... |
| 19:12.30 | edistar | Flinx: why? |
| 19:12.43 | Ainulindale | edistar: When it 's done :-) |
| 19:12.50 | Flinx | I'm trying to edit things on my FR but it keeps going into sleep mode and drops the SSH |
| 19:12.50 | Ainulindale | I have no news from the guys on the GTK part |
| 19:12.53 | edistar | Ainulindale: okey |
| 19:13.00 | edistar | Flinx: tell it not to |
| 19:13.52 | Flinx | *nods* |
| 19:13.54 | Flinx | Just did |
| 19:14.41 | edistar | mine doesn't to voice recognition yet though :( |
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| 19:17.10 | Flinx | YAY! I can do things with it now :D |
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| 19:18.23 | dcordes | what FR needs is mind recognition |
| 19:19.05 | Flinx | 0.o |
| 19:19.12 | CVirus | hehe |
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| 19:20.21 | Flinx | well.. now that I think aobut it.. |
| 19:20.37 | dcordes | http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/ocz_peripherals/nia-neural_impulse_actuator |
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| 19:20.51 | e_s_p | So, in om-settings, I get "WiFi unknown" |
| 19:20.52 | Flinx | just find someone to install a Bluetooth datajack into you ;) |
| 19:21.05 | e_s_p | So no WiFi for me |
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| 19:27.51 | Flinx | two questions 1: Is there not signature files for the repos? (curiosity mostly) and 2: is there a reason why giving root (on the FreeRunner) a password is a good idea/ |
| 19:28.31 | mjr | 2: it has an ssh server |
| 19:29.01 | almien | by default it seems anyone can get root access to your phone anytime you connect it to a network |
| 19:29.06 | Tanuva | 2: but only if wlan is enabled and/or you plug the neo into foreign computers |
| 19:29.27 | mjr | gprs |
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| 19:31.22 | Flinx | good reasons ;) |
| 19:32.01 | Flinx | I was being lazy :p |
| 19:32.03 | edistar | mjr: gprs is NAT.. |
| 19:32.10 | edistar | noone can access your phone from the outside |
| 19:32.51 | edistar | except if the routers of the service providers' are hacked |
| 19:34.14 | mjr | edistar, not by definition |
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| 19:34.52 | edistar | mjr: can't see the providers giving you direct access |
| 19:35.39 | mjr | I believe mine is |
| 19:35.48 | Flinx | Woah.. 2008.8 is soo much cooler than the 2007.2 |
| 19:35.49 | mjr | yes, yes it is |
| 19:35.56 | edistar | mjr: tell me the wan ip ;) |
| 19:37.41 | ossguy | I am currently experiencing bug #1296 (related to #1315) and I'm wondering if there are devs out there who are interested in the issue that can tell me what diagnostics to run |
| 19:38.43 | ossguy | I have attached to Xglamo with gdb a few times and it always stops in gettimeofday |
| 19:39.04 | ossguy | this seems similar to comment 6 on bug #1315 |
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| 19:40.07 | cjb | ossguy: sounds like you're hung in GLAMOEngineWait() |
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| 19:40.21 | cjb | and the gettimeofday() is just to see how long you've been waiting |
| 19:40.45 | cjb | so I'd go with the cmd queue being messed up |
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| 19:41.43 | ossguy | cjb: is this documented somewhere? I don't see an explanation like yours in bug #1296 or #1315 |
| 19:42.12 | cjb | no, it's just my interpretation |
| 19:42.17 | ossguy | I see |
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| 19:42.24 | cjb | gettimeofday is a kernel function that is called very often but returns very quickly. you aren't going to be hung there. |
| 19:42.35 | cjb | zecke said: Also looking at the cmd queue changes in the kernel (locking, waiting for it to be empty..) would be helpful. |
| 19:42.49 | cjb | GLAMOEngineWait() is what happens after we issue a command and wait for an interrupt to say it's finished |
| 19:42.53 | cjb | but it sounds like that interrupt isn't coming |
| 19:43.11 | ossguy | right |
| 19:43.29 | ossguy | is there anything I can do to diagnose why it isn't coming? |
| 19:43.58 | cjb | there's probably some kind of cmd queue debugging in the driver that you could turn on |
| 19:44.00 | cjb | gotta go, bbiab |
| 19:44.05 | ossguy | k |
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| 19:57.34 | Flinx | does anyone recognize what this is ? angstrom- version_P1-Snapshot-20080814-r1_om-gta02.opk |
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| 20:01.20 | hossi | hey everyone, got my freerunner from china today! |
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| 20:02.16 | Toaster` | Flinx: anstrom the base system build (I think, someone can probably give you a better explaination) |
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| 20:02.57 | hossi | have a n00b question. I have managed to connect via ssh to my phone, I can also ping from my phone back to my computer. But I can't ping e.g google.com from my phone? |
| 20:03.06 | Toaster` | Flinx: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ |
| 20:03.44 | edistar | hossi: set /etc/resolv.conf to a good nameserver |
| 20:03.46 | Toaster` | hossi: sounds like a dns issue |
| 20:03.48 | ZorksAway | toaster: edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:03.50 | Flinx | ah. |
| 20:03.52 | Flinx | thanks |
| 20:04.07 | Flinx | opkg wants to upgrade it |
| 20:04.10 | ZorksAway | Toaster`: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking has an entry about DNS |
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| 20:04.31 | Toaster` | ZorksAway: I'm good here, I think you meant to direct it to Flinx |
| 20:05.19 | ZorksAway | no i meant hossi :) |
| 20:05.19 | ZorksAway | sorry |
| 20:05.19 | Flinx | ah |
| 20:05.19 | Flinx | heh |
| 20:05.19 | Toaster` | ZorksAway: him too, we're both mixed up :/ |
| 20:05.22 | Flinx | soo... looks like I should let it upgrade angstrom eh... |
| 20:05.29 | Toaster` | Flinx: yeah |
| 20:05.37 | Flinx | >.< |
| 20:05.47 | Flinx | I keep getting "could not obtain adminitrative locks.. |
| 20:06.24 | Toaster` | Flinx: I had that too, once. try rebooting. There's probably an easier solution, but that eemed to work for me |
| 20:07.06 | Flinx | usually if I try 2 or three times it works |
| 20:07.14 | henkie | how do i press "enter" in the console? |
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| 20:07.48 | Infoport | hi there geeks and geeketttes! |
| 20:07.56 | ZorksAway | Flinx, Toaster`: to obtain administrative lock first type killall packagekitd |
| 20:08.02 | ZorksAway | hi dork ;-) |
| 20:08.09 | Flinx | ah |
| 20:08.20 | Flinx | see I knew it was because i had things open :p |
| 20:08.37 | Toaster` | ZorksAway: Thanks, I'll remember that |
| 20:08.46 | ZorksAway | yeah, sometimes the graphical installer (assassin) doesn't release admin lock) |
| 20:09.03 | ZorksAway | Infoport: where do you see the geekettes? |
| 20:09.05 | edistar | any geekettes around? |
| 20:09.22 | Infoport | just hopeful thinking.... |
| 20:09.34 | ZorksAway | I know we have at least one gay openmoko-fan |
| 20:09.36 | hossi | ZorksAway, how do I edit resolv.conf :) |
| 20:09.40 | ZorksAway | but that's just not the same :) |
| 20:09.53 | edistar | johngay ;) |
| 20:10.05 | ZorksAway | hossi: first install something you like to edit files, for example nano: opkg install nano |
| 20:10.17 | Infoport | hey, I support the gay openmoko fans (I just dont chase after them) |
| 20:10.21 | ZorksAway | and after that nano /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:11.03 | hossi | do I have to run a opkg update first ? |
| 20:11.10 | Infoport | vi is already installed by default |
| 20:11.32 | ZorksAway | (yes run update first; or use vi like infoport suggests) |
| 20:12.20 | Flinx | lol |
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| 20:12.41 | Flinx | sorry.. I just read the geekettes comment |
| 20:13.30 | Flinx | this seems bad... using " echo "GPS_DEV=\"/dev/ttySAC1\"" > /etc/default/gpsd " on 2008.8 comes back empty handed. |
| 20:13.37 | Flinx | does that mean my GPS are borked? |
| 20:14.39 | edistar | Flinx: what about a cat /dev/ttySAC1? |
| 20:14.41 | hossi | ZorksAway, root@om-gta02:/etc# opkg install nano |
| 20:14.41 | hossi | Nothing to be done |
| 20:14.41 | hossi | An error ocurred, return value: 4. |
| 20:14.41 | hossi | Collected errors: |
| 20:14.41 | hossi | Cannot find package nano. |
| 20:14.42 | hossi | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'opkg update' |
| 20:14.52 | hossi | oh sorry for the spam :/ |
| 20:15.07 | ZorksAway | hossi: strange, used to work for me always, what distrubution are you running? |
| 20:15.14 | hossi | ZorksAway, ubuntu hardy |
| 20:15.20 | ZorksAway | i mean on the phone :) |
| 20:15.27 | ZorksAway | hossi: if you are using 2008.8 you need to edit the feeds |
| 20:15.27 | Flinx | edistar, its taking a while to search for it |
| 20:15.48 | hossi | ZorksAway, how do i check version? |
| 20:16.15 | ZorksAway | euhm, did you flash your phone to something different? or are you using what came on the phone? |
| 20:16.40 | hossi | ZorksAway, I'm using the thing that came with it |
| 20:16.49 | Flinx | that should be 2007.2 then ;) |
| 20:16.58 | ZorksAway | indeed 2007.2 |
| 20:17.06 | Flinx | YAY! I got the .2 right!! |
| 20:17.17 | hossi | good news or bad? |
| 20:17.19 | edistar | Flinx: maybe your kernel is borked |
| 20:17.19 | ZorksAway | :) |
| 20:17.29 | ZorksAway | i'm off again, good luck |
| 20:18.05 | Flinx | edistar, reflash? |
| 20:18.23 | Flinx | maybe I start with a reboot |
| 20:18.32 | edistar | okey |
| 20:18.41 | edistar | Flinx: otherwise reflashing is a safe bet |
| 20:19.04 | Flinx | I would need to re-flash -just- the kernel yes? |
| 20:19.31 | hossi | my resolve.conf file say nameserver 192.168.0.200 |
| 20:19.35 | edistar | usually yes |
| 20:19.45 | edistar | hossi: change it so some other |
| 20:20.37 | hossi | edistar, I only need to replace the 192.186.0.200 with 208.67.222.222 ? |
| 20:20.48 | hossi | change the ip-adress |
| 20:20.56 | edistar | hossi: yes |
| 20:22.08 | henkie | initiating a pand -c from the freerunner results in a permission denied |
| 20:22.21 | henkie | the otherway around does work (connection from pc to fr) |
| 20:23.22 | Wonka | running "pand" on my freerunner (20080424 snapshot, "opkg upgrade" from today) results in "sh: pand: not found" |
| 20:23.47 | Wonka | it was there before the "opkg upgrade" |
| 20:23.59 | Wonka | some people seem to smoke bad weed... |
| 20:24.05 | edistar | Wonka: add other repos |
| 20:24.51 | Wonka | i cannot really accept i should add repos outside of openmoko.org to get features back which my openmoko.org-only system had... |
| 20:25.19 | edistar | Wonka: it's all unstable at the moment |
| 20:26.05 | edistar | don't expect anything, just be happy if something works in the end ;) |
| 20:26.35 | henkie | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/764 looks like this |
| 20:27.14 | Wonka | network via usb works. |
| 20:27.33 | Wonka | btw, any idea how to backup my FR? |
| 20:28.03 | Wonka | my experiments with saving (and restoring) the flash partitions (kernel and rootfs) did fail |
| 20:28.16 | Wonka | kernel got a CRC error on boot |
| 20:28.18 | Sargun | Wonka, dfu didn't work so well for me. |
| 20:28.22 | Wonka | rootfs was unreadable |
| 20:28.30 | Sargun | I'd just tarball |
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| 20:30.55 | ajbrun | SpeedEvil - just fyi from yesterday, about my phone not booting |
| 20:31.03 | ajbrun | it appears this link has helped |
| 20:31.05 | ajbrun | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/003326.html |
| 20:31.27 | ajbrun | just needed another battery as i'd drained the other one dead so it didn't have enough power to charge |
| 20:31.42 | ajbrun | and i had a BL-5C battery in my other phone :) |
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| 20:38.56 | Flinx | >.< it would help if I turned the GPS on.. |
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| 20:39.07 | ossguy | regarding bugs #1296, #1315 I mentioned earlier: it seems that Xglamo's spinning behavior lasts for just a few minutes (ie. 5) |
| 20:39.12 | torindel | is back |
| 20:39.24 | cjb | too |
| 20:39.33 | ossguy | then it stops spinning and doesn't use any CPU |
| 20:39.35 | cjb | ossguy: you could ask on the bug what the right way to log commands being sent and returned is |
| 20:39.52 | cjb | probably we mess up our idea of what's in the queue and think we're waiting, and then the next result clears it up or something |
| 20:40.14 | ossguy | I'll do that |
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| 20:41.09 | ossguy | when Xglamo is not spinning (but is in this weird state) and you touch the screen, it starts spinning again |
| 20:41.11 | ajbrun | hey - this may sound like a daft question, but is the stable release of 2008.8 best, or have there been some bug fixes in the daily builds that still work well? |
| 20:43.07 | Flinx | I think I found a bug. |
| 20:44.08 | torindel | gives female bug to Flinx |
| 20:44.09 | ajbrun | kill it |
| 20:44.13 | torindel | now you'll have couple |
| 20:44.35 | Flinx | "/etc/init.d/gpsd restart" only shuts down gpsd |
| 20:44.55 | edistar | gpsd is no good anyway :P |
| 20:44.55 | Flinx | you have to then use "/etc/init.d/gpsd start" to get it back |
| 20:45.09 | Flinx | but... how do i get GPS? :( |
| 20:45.34 | torindel | use fso? ;] |
| 20:45.59 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mail 07zhone * rb9e0ec491df4 10/src/zhone: |
| 20:45.59 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: sms: Replace newlines for list view |
| 20:45.59 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: In the list view, a newline in a SMS becomes an ugly square. This turns |
| 20:45.59 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: it into a simple space. It also adds a multi-line SMS to the |
| 20:46.02 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: offline-demo-set. |
| 20:46.05 | torindel | esp since there are early patches for saving/restoring gps first fix data |
| 20:46.38 | torindel | so you wont have to wait god knows how long to get fix |
| 20:46.45 | hossi | do you recommend that one upgraded to the new kernel? |
| 20:47.22 | ajbrun | can someone tell me where the shutdown option is on asu please? |
| 20:47.27 | ajbrun | (i think i's the asu) |
| 20:47.45 | torindel | ajbrun: open terminal and type shutdown -h now ;] |
| 20:47.53 | torindel | that always work |
| 20:48.15 | ajbrun | ah ok |
| 20:48.28 | Tig| | hold power for a few seconds and then it will start a shutdown |
| 20:48.29 | ajbrun | what's the -h option for? |
| 20:48.31 | Flinx | halt |
| 20:48.34 | Tig| | about 5 iirc |
| 20:48.39 | edistar | ajbrun: 'halt' |
| 20:48.40 | Flinx | eg turn off hardware |
| 20:48.59 | Tig| | erm halt does not power down normally -p does though |
| 20:49.28 | edistar | Tig|: hm? |
| 20:50.06 | Tig| | halt will just sit there normally with the system down but no call to powermangement to shut the power, the ASU does have a shutdown though if you hold down power for about 5 seconds or so, it comes up with a shutdown message |
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| 20:50.46 | Tig| | don't use -h on a colo box if you have no remote power management :) |
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| 20:51.01 | Flinx | *chuckles* |
| 20:52.19 | Flinx | I love this wiki page on how to speed up the boot process |
| 20:52.40 | ZorksAway | which page? |
| 20:53.32 | Infoport | where do I send a public key on qtopia? I need to sync ssh keys to they will agree |
| 20:54.10 | ZorksAway | Flinx: which page or are you just fooling :) |
| 20:55.15 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
| 20:56.10 | torindel | pong timeout ;] |
| 20:56.34 | ajbrun | has anyone got this before when trying to flash the root fs in the same way they always have? |
| 20:56.36 | ajbrun | "no dfu capable usb device found" |
| 20:56.48 | Tig| | yeah, the FR has powered down |
| 20:57.00 | ajbrun | it's in uboot |
| 20:57.04 | edistar | ajbrun: as root |
| 20:57.08 | Tig| | are you running as root? |
| 20:57.28 | Tig| | or sudo -s for those ubuntu peeps |
| 20:57.30 | ajbrun | yes - the command i used was: |
| 20:57.40 | ajbrun | sudo dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D ~/Desktop/Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 20:57.51 | torindel | ajbrun: try powering off moko, disconnecting cable, powering it on, connecting cable |
| 20:58.11 | torindel | and get diffrent uboot version ;] |
| 20:58.11 | ajbrun | i've done that - even taken the battery out for a min |
| 20:58.24 | ajbrun | the only thing that#s different to normal is that i'm using a differtent battery |
| 20:58.36 | ajbrun | the one that came with it seems completely dead |
| 20:58.44 | torindel | ajbrun: you conected usb cable after selecting usb console in uboot right? |
| 20:59.18 | Flinx | ZorksAway, uhm.. lemme find it |
| 20:59.19 | ajbrun | no - i connect the cable |
| 20:59.22 | ajbrun | powered to uboot |
| 20:59.22 | Tig| | double check your paths, I generally do a sudo -s first then run commands normally |
| 20:59.30 | ajbrun | and ran the dfu command |
| 20:59.37 | ajbrun | same as i always have done |
| 20:59.38 | torindel | ajbrun: try powering off moko, disconnecting cable, powering it on, connecting usb cable |
| 20:59.49 | TankC | latest FSO build as of yesterday refuses to acquire a signal on my FR |
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| 21:00.09 | Flinx | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_time_reduction_plan |
| 21:00.12 | Tig| | torindel: how does this battery differ from the standard? |
| 21:00.34 | TankC | even after several reboots, zhone even refuses to start the phone portion |
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| 21:01.06 | edistar | TankC: it's being changed quite a lot in the last few days |
| 21:01.09 | edistar | don't expect it to work |
| 21:01.10 | torindel | Tig|: i have standard battery, ask ajbrun |
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| 21:01.19 | torindel | hey TankC |
| 21:01.21 | ajbrun | ah :p |
| 21:01.32 | ajbrun | it's a nokia bl-5c |
| 21:01.41 | TankC | Thanks for the update edistar |
| 21:01.44 | ajbrun | i found a webpage that said it was one of the ones that should work |
| 21:01.45 | TankC | Hey torindel |
| 21:01.47 | Tig| | torindel: oops I meant that question for ajbrun :) |
| 21:02.21 | edistar | ajbrun: yeah, it does |
| 21:03.04 | ajbrun | it's working now |
| 21:03.17 | ajbrun | i've never had to use the set comsole to usb option before |
| 21:03.18 | torindel | ajbrun: ok first thing you do get diffrent uboot |
| 21:03.25 | Flinx | ZorksAway, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_time_reduction_plan |
| 21:03.27 | ajbrun | but it seemed to do the job |
| 21:03.32 | Flinx | I dunno if you caught that or not |
| 21:03.59 | ajbrun | kk - i'll get the one that came with 2008.8 then |
| 21:04.37 | ajbrun | oh - there isn't one on that page |
| 21:04.44 | ajbrun | is there a recommended uboot? |
| 21:04.54 | edistar | ajbrun: the newest one |
| 21:06.51 | ajbrun | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin |
| 21:07.02 | ZorksAway | oh that page, that i do know of, but it doesn't really reduce it at the moment, thanks anyway Flinx |
| 21:07.20 | Flinx | np |
| 21:09.08 | Flinx | YAY GPS works! |
| 21:09.17 | Flinx | it has no maps.. but it WORKS! |
| 21:09.42 | torindel | Flinx: gratz |
| 21:11.00 | edistar | Flinx: cool! |
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| 21:13.49 | e_s_p | So, has anyone else seen "WiFi unknown" on their FR? |
| 21:14.11 | edistar | e_s_p: where? |
| 21:14.13 | peter__b | you mean in exposure ? |
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| 21:14.27 | peter__b | 2008.8 settings ? |
| 21:16.03 | e_s_p | yes, in 2008.8 settings |
| 21:16.20 | e_s_p | Instead of "on" or "off" it says "unknown" |
| 21:16.36 | e_s_p | This lasts through a reboot |
| 21:16.40 | peter__b | i think you have to read the unknown as "not implemented" |
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| 21:16.59 | e_s_p | Oh, really? |
| 21:17.05 | peter__b | mine says unknown too |
| 21:17.09 | e_s_p | I had "on" and "off" for a while |
| 21:17.28 | e_s_p | But I think that was when I was (mistakenly) updating from the build repositories |
| 21:17.32 | e_s_p | OK, good! |
| 21:17.33 | peter__b | it was working abit some while aga |
| 21:17.36 | e_s_p | Glad it's not just me |
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| 21:21.17 | BlueRaid | hi |
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| 21:21.42 | torindel | hi |
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| 21:22.57 | Tig| | e_s_p: every time I tried the ASU I got unknown |
| 21:23.10 | Flinx | hrm.. now what.... |
| 21:23.14 | BlueRaid | I've some problems with my debugboard, i get: JTAG communication failure |
| 21:23.22 | Tig| | mind you I did not get a network signal either |
| 21:23.25 | Flinx | OO... I should try my SIM card to see if it works now. |
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| 21:28.17 | henkie | http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/NetworkConnections |
| 21:28.30 | henkie | this doesnt seem to work on the freerunner, any suggestions? |
| 21:28.43 | henkie | the connection creation that is |
| 21:29.03 | ZorksAway | henkie: it might interest you; i've just asked for nl.wikipedia to be transformed to mokopedia |
| 21:29.18 | ZorksAway | should be done by tomorrow |
| 21:29.38 | edistar | leuk! |
| 21:29.43 | ZorksAway | this way you can practice your dutch Dave ;-) |
| 21:29.55 | henkie | hehe |
| 21:30.20 | henkie | but i need my bluetooth! |
| 21:30.27 | henkie | poor man's wifi :P |
| 21:30.29 | ZorksAway | yeah, because i won't be using the de.wiki; and the en.wiki will probably be too big for a 2g SD |
| 21:30.55 | ZorksAway | i got my bluetooth working yesterday with a cool app made by zedstar |
| 21:31.27 | henkie | i can only connect to the FR, but cannot make a connection from the FR |
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| 21:37.13 | Tig| | henkie: connecting to the fr how? |
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| 21:37.57 | henkie | Tig|, using pand -c <btaddr> |
| 21:38.14 | henkie | the dbus service i cannot get working |
| 21:38.27 | Tig| | ah sorry can't help thought you were on about usb/wifi |
| 21:38.35 | henkie | but that maybe the crappy documentation on the bluez side |
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| 21:48.00 | ajbrun | my FR seems to just turn off either during or soon after boot, and won't turn back on again unless i take the battery out for a bit |
| 21:48.04 | ajbrun | anyone got any ideas? |
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| 21:48.40 | torindel | ajbrun: nonstandard battery? |
| 21:49.00 | ajbrun | this one is, yes but i'm sure it happens with the other one too |
| 21:49.30 | ajbrun | although i seem to have better luck with the non standard one |
| 21:49.37 | torindel | maybe switch to your orginall battery after power on and leave it a while to see if it charges |
| 21:49.48 | ajbrun | it's not just going into sleep mode or something? |
| 21:50.00 | torindel | it shouldnt |
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| 21:51.18 | ajbrun | does a red LED flashing on the aux button mean anything? |
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| 21:51.40 | ZzzZzzzzZorkman | ajbrun: kernel panic i think :p |
| 21:51.41 | ZzzZzzzzZorkman | goodnight |
| 21:51.48 | ajbrun | ah :| |
| 21:51.50 | ajbrun | nn |
| 21:52.00 | ajbrun | i'll try flashing the kernel in that case |
| 21:52.33 | ajbrun | i guess the stable release is better than the daily builds for now? |
| 21:54.29 | peter__b | but the daily builds are more fun ... |
| 21:54.41 | ajbrun | not when i want it to work... |
| 21:55.12 | torindel | currently builds gentoo on moko |
| 21:55.18 | torindel | this is fun ;] |
| 21:55.49 | DieMumiee | on the fr? |
| 21:55.52 | KenYoung | roh, Are you there? |
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| 21:56.04 | torindel | DieMumiee: yep |
| 21:56.09 | ajbrun | why? |
| 21:56.17 | DieMumiee | how long does it take to build bash? |
| 21:56.54 | ajbrun | i can't get uboot now :( |
| 21:57.00 | ajbrun | only kernel panic... |
| 21:57.12 | edistar | ajbrun: what does it say? |
| 21:57.12 | ajbrun | panics |
| 21:57.19 | ajbrun | nothing - red flashing led |
| 21:57.21 | AntonTakk | ajbrun: yank the battery? |
| 21:57.24 | ajbrun | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_LED_signals |
| 21:57.27 | ajbrun | i did |
| 21:57.34 | ajbrun | and put it back in after a min |
| 21:57.36 | ajbrun | same thing |
| 21:57.40 | torindel | DieMumiee: 15mins ;] |
| 21:57.50 | DieMumiee | :) |
| 21:58.03 | DieMumiee | the longer it takes the better it gets |
| 21:58.09 | ajbrun | last thing i did was flash uboot, but it seemed to boot fine afterwards |
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| 21:59.30 | ajbrun | i'm in! |
| 21:59.47 | edistar | ajbrun: it tells you something.. |
| 22:00.11 | ajbrun | i'm flashing the kernel now |
| 22:00.17 | ajbrun | i took out the battery |
| 22:00.28 | torindel | DieMumiee: funnier thing is CHOST change is still before me ;] |
| 22:00.32 | ajbrun | and held the power button for a few secs thinking it may discharge something |
| 22:00.39 | ajbrun | and it's working now |
| 22:01.17 | ajbrun | let's seem how long it lasts... |
| 22:01.22 | ajbrun | *see |
| 22:01.40 | torindel | ajbrun: put your orginal battery now and see if it charges at all ;] |
| 22:01.47 | ajbrun | it's in |
| 22:01.54 | ajbrun | connected to my pc via usb |
| 22:02.01 | ajbrun | so should be charging |
| 22:02.10 | goldenhawk | torindel: Gentoo on freerunner? @.x So cool :p |
| 22:02.15 | torindel | if you want to charge better use charger |
| 22:02.17 | goldenhawk | torindel: Tell me how it goes ^.^ |
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| 22:02.43 | ajbrun | i'll make sure it boots first |
| 22:03.03 | torindel | ajbrun: it wont boot if battery is deep discharged |
| 22:03.24 | torindel | goldenhawk: i should be making stages soon if you want to check it out yourself |
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| 22:04.27 | torindel | goldenhawk: so far i have sane old toolchain, all new ebuilds from stage1 with working new portage |
| 22:04.59 | torindel | all thats left is to update toolchain and build stage1 ;] |
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| 22:06.47 | goldenhawk | torindel: Neat! I'm hoping to see what it would be like to have the phone stacks built automatically out of git on emerge with the help of someone's overlay. |
| 22:06.59 | goldenhawk | torindel: And see a Debian vs. Gentoo competition :p |
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| 22:08.44 | goldenhawk | Have you tried compiling anything on the phone yet, torindel? Is it super slow? |
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| 22:09.05 | torindel | goldenhawk: like i said it takes 15mins to compile bash on the phone ;] |
| 22:09.29 | goldenhawk | hmms and tries that on his quad core |
| 22:10.01 | torindel | goldenhawk: gentoo crossdev is problematic as it have semi borked headers |
| 22:10.44 | torindel | well at least a lot less that angstrom gcc builds |
| 22:11.15 | goldenhawk | 60 seconds :p |
| 22:11.40 | goldenhawk | Hm.. so maybe gentoo on my phone might be a little slower than I'm used to. |
| 22:12.04 | torindel | ;] |
| 22:13.09 | goldenhawk | Oh well, it's still cool ^.^ Can't wait to see it. |
| 22:13.23 | torindel | goldenhawk: we'll check again when i change CHOST and compile with correct optimalizations since im useing -O1 only now |
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| 22:13.34 | torindel | cause toolchain is too old ;] |
| 22:13.36 | goldenhawk | Ah :) |
| 22:13.43 | goldenhawk | Fingers crossed :p |
| 22:14.13 | goldenhawk | Although if I wait a few generations I'm sure phones will be ten times faster. Assuming the open phone idea survives that long. |
| 22:14.42 | lindi- | was there some /sys entry that'd tell me why the phone woke up from ssuspend? |
| 22:14.59 | torindel | lindi-: check on wiki, i think yes |
| 22:15.23 | torindel | lindi-: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs |
| 22:15.38 | torindel | point 1.3 |
| 22:16.04 | goldenhawk | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs#Resume_Reason .. torindel beat me to it :p |
| 22:16.39 | torindel | anyone got qemu working with usb gadget? |
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| 22:17.26 | TankC | If I were to start making apps for FSO, should I use enlightenment or gtk? |
| 22:17.41 | torindel | enlightenment |
| 22:17.42 | lindi- | torindel: right. '* EINT01_GSM' |
| 22:19.39 | TankC | torindel: why do you say that? |
| 22:21.08 | torindel | TankC: enlightenment is more lightweight and much more powerfull and have nicer api |
| 22:23.16 | lindi- | torindel: any IP packet over gprs seems to wake it up |
| 22:23.46 | lindi- | which is kind of nice if it weren't for the windows worms |
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| 22:25.39 | ajbrun | torindel - sounds like i might be up against this: |
| 22:25.39 | ajbrun | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1682 |
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| 22:31.28 | ajbrun | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-tc670138 |
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| 22:31.43 | ajbrun | are both me and the OP here missing something? |
| 22:33.15 | ajbrun | openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 <--- is this an asu image or a qtopia? |
| 22:33.33 | Tig| | it is not quite the ASU |
| 22:33.44 | torindel | and it isnt qtopia either ;] |
| 22:33.48 | ajbrun | do you know where the latest asu image is? |
| 22:33.56 | Tig| | they have not got the buildhost inline with the ASU |
| 22:33.59 | ajbrun | i can only find the official releae |
| 22:34.02 | ajbrun | ah |
| 22:34.08 | Tig| | ajbrun: there is only the official release |
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| 22:34.28 | ajbrun | i'm just wondering if there's some bug in it that stops my phone from booting 100% of the time |
| 22:34.39 | ajbrun | i might try a difrerent distro to test it |
| 22:34.58 | Tig| | afaik there are no current updates for the ASU |
| 22:35.20 | ajbrun | kk - i'll try the one i linked to that isn't quite asu and not quite qtopia |
| 22:36.01 | ajbrun | any idea when there'll be more updates? |
| 22:36.09 | torindel | ajbrun: better get something that works for 100% if you got booting problems |
| 22:36.16 | TankC | Anyone know if the DBUS api in FSO has support for SIM card information? |
| 22:36.38 | ajbrun | hmm - i think a qtopia release once worked |
| 22:36.45 | torindel | TankC: what kind of information? |
| 22:37.17 | TankC | any kind of sim related info, such as card #, contact info, etc |
| 22:37.32 | TankC | I know it's documented but I can't seem to find it with mdbus |
| 22:38.01 | torindel | contacts yep, same with on sim sms storage, dunno about card # |
| 22:38.12 | TankC | where is it exposed in dbus? |
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| 22:38.58 | torindel | TankC: if you cant find something in docs just get current framework and grep throo sources |
| 22:39.09 | torindel | its usually named logicaly |
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| 22:39.24 | TankC | torindel: I have, there is no SIM information where it should be |
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| 22:40.00 | TankC | should be in org.freeopenphone.GSM.SIM or something like that |
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| 22:40.05 | TankC | GSM.SIM doesn't exist |
| 22:41.01 | torindel | TankC: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM |
| 22:41.14 | TankC | Yeah, that's what I meant |
| 22:41.17 | torindel | GetSimInfo |
| 22:41.29 | TankC | It's not there |
| 22:41.59 | torindel | you sure youre accessing it correctly? |
| 22:43.02 | TankC | Hold on a second |
| 22:44.39 | TankC | Ok, so if I do a: "mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd" then three possible paths come up |
| 22:45.07 | TankC | /org/freesmartphone/GSM, /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device, /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Server |
| 22:45.10 | TankC | that's it for GSM |
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| 22:45.49 | TankC | Ah! |
| 22:45.57 | TankC | they're under Device |
| 22:46.39 | b0ef | running debian of fr, is there a module I need to load to see the bluetooth device? |
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| 22:48.02 | hipitihop | morning all |
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| 22:53.33 | hipitihop | Can someone help me setup my feeds properly for http://shr.bearstech.com/ I have latest unstable FSO but a noob about feed configuration |
| 22:55.14 | AntonTakk | latest unstable fso for me wouldn't register |
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| 22:57.53 | hipitihop | AntonTakk, http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/images/neo1973/ |
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| 23:00.32 | hipitihop | AntonTakk, but my question is probably more general, given /etc/opkg.conf and /etc/opkg/ what do I need to do to add feed(s) from http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/ipk/ |
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| 23:26.15 | Flinx | Hi all. |
| 23:26.32 | Tig| | ning |
| 23:27.00 | Flinx | how do I find out if I've got the latest uBoot? |
| 23:27.16 | Flinx | I can see the version I have on the FR |
| 23:27.58 | hipitihop | now understands how /etc/opkg/ works and is now using proper http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/ipk/ feeds |
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| 23:31.23 | hipitihop | Flinx, most stacks/distributions have latest uboot in sam elocation as image and bin. What are you using ? |
| 23:31.33 | Flinx | 2008.8 |
| 23:32.26 | Flinx | it says that i have "neo1973 Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.2-Moko12 |
| 23:34.10 | Flinx | hrm... next steps methinks, are getting GSM to register, and maybe WiFi |
| 23:34.21 | Dave | Hallo |
| 23:35.03 | hipitihop | Flinx, you can also see the version when you are in uboot menu |
| 23:35.29 | Flinx | ah |
| 23:35.36 | Dave | I like how 60+% of the boot screen is all various errors :) |
| 23:35.42 | Dave | poor openmoko :) |
| 23:35.45 | Flinx | *chuckles* |
| 23:35.54 | Flinx | Dave, I thought the same thing |
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| 23:36.53 | Dave | heh, yeah |
| 23:37.07 | Dave | It's just slightly more depressing if you ever stop to read it all. |
| 23:37.10 | Dave | :| |
| 23:37.16 | Dave | Things do not bode well for openmoko :) |
| 23:37.20 | Dave | Anyhoo |
| 23:37.34 | Flinx | just means there is a lot of work to be done ;) |
| 23:37.36 | Dave | That's just my two cents for the afternoon. |
| 23:37.41 | Dave | and then some :p |
| 23:37.58 | Dave | Meanwhile, when is 4.4.4 set to be released, Lpotter? :P |
| 23:38.22 | Dave | I like how "Suspend" (Dim and then lock) on the latest OM build actually shuts down the device instead. |
| 23:38.30 | Dave | Man, things CLEARLY are going in a forward direction... |
| 23:38.39 | Flinx | hrml... |
| 23:38.57 | hipitihop | Flinx, latest uboots here http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/ |
| 23:39.28 | Flinx | hipitihop, yep, I have the one waaaaaay at the bottom |
| 23:39.44 | Flinx | flashed it too.. but the word Neo1973 seems out of date to me... |
| 23:40.40 | hipitihop | Flinx, <shrug> |
| 23:40.47 | Flinx | oh well. |
| 23:41.05 | Flinx | onto other things.. |
| 23:41.35 | hipitihop | Flinx, any experience getting gsm to register ? |
| 23:41.45 | Flinx | Ah |
| 23:41.48 | Flinx | a bit? |
| 23:42.01 | Flinx | my old SIM was on the Does not work list |
| 23:42.22 | KenYoung | roh, Are you there? |
| 23:42.25 | Flinx | my new one is on the working list but doesn't work, and a friend has one that registered with no problems. |
| 23:42.37 | Flinx | I just can't steal his SIM :P |
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| 23:43.04 | hipitihop | I have bleeding edge FSO build but no luck, only stack so far was qtopia |
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| 23:43.51 | Flinx | ah |
| 23:43.59 | Flinx | that was part of my next question |
| 23:44.06 | Flinx | about how much space does Qtopia or Debian take up? I'm thinkin about dual booting just to try and get my SIM working on a different stack |
| 23:44.17 | Dave | I'm still up a tree as to why my audio suddenly disappeared (persistent isuse) |
| 23:44.19 | Dave | :\ |
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| 23:44.28 | edistar | Flinx: debian should fit on sd.. |
| 23:44.44 | Flinx | Dave, looked into alsamixer? |
| 23:44.52 | Flinx | edistar, even the stock 512? |
| 23:45.11 | edistar | Flinx: just about |
| 23:45.26 | Flinx | thats a pretty small debian |
| 23:45.32 | edistar | yeah |
| 23:45.37 | edistar | not too much on it:P |
| 23:45.37 | ljp | chuckles |
| 23:45.39 | hipitihop | Flinx, I'm guessing 60-70mg I have latest FSO flashed (had qtopia) and have 2008.8 release and others on various sD cards |
| 23:45.46 | Flinx | ah |
| 23:45.46 | edistar | I am using 900mb atm |
| 23:46.16 | Flinx | weird... apparently there is 48mb of my SD being used.. |
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| 23:46.33 | Dave | Flinx, no |
| 23:46.39 | Dave | flinx, I have no audio device! |
| 23:46.46 | Dave | What is there to mix!? |
| 23:46.46 | Flinx | Dave, ah... |
| 23:46.49 | Dave | :P |
| 23:46.59 | Flinx | has been shamed. |
| 23:47.36 | torindel | looks at cat lurking with evil smile behind dave |
| 23:47.50 | hipitihop | so appart from using thezhone ui, is there any other way to attempt to register sim or see what's going on or where things may be failing ? |
| 23:47.54 | Flinx | goes off into his corner |
| 23:48.24 | torindel | hipitihop: write simple python script or run frameworkd via ssh |
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| 23:49.22 | Dave | :| |
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| 23:50.22 | ftnt | hey there, is there a way to synchronize my evoution calendar with the freerunner? please |
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| 23:52.02 | edistar | ftnt: if there is you can find it in the wiki |
| 23:52.49 | hipitihop | ftnt, haven't looked into this in detail or got anything going yet but look at SyncEvolution, Genesis python ui to SyncEvolution and ScheduleWorld |
| 23:53.07 | ftnt | edistar I looked for it but it only says that it might be possible with syncml, no commands or tool names are given |
| 23:53.42 | hipitihop | ftnt, also depends on what you are running e.g the qtopia based stacks keep contacts etc in sqlite db |
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| 23:56.24 | ftnt | hipitihop thanks, I'll have a look at it |
| 23:57.21 | Flinx | I've just been reading through booting on the SD |
| 23:57.41 | Flinx | the second part about obtaining an image seems straight forward, |
| 23:57.59 | Flinx | but the first bit is where I'm a bit lost. -- Do I have to make modifications to the uboot? |
| 23:58.50 | torindel | Flinx: depends how do you want do multi boot |
| 23:59.02 | Flinx | kay |
| 23:59.20 | Flinx | So far i like the 2008.8, but I would like to try Qtopia |
| 23:59.21 | hipitihop | Flinx, if you have the updated uboot which it seems you do, it has already a menu item (2) which shows boot from minisd fat + ext2 |
| 23:59.42 | Flinx | yep, I believe i saw that. |
| 23:59.46 | torindel | theres menu entry to boot for kernel on first sd partition (fat) and root system on second partition (ext2/3) |
| 23:59.59 | torindel | if you want something else you need to fix uboot |
