| 00:00.09 | linuxxr | wheres rooly |
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| 00:04.43 | Arcnet | linuxxr: try killall packagesomething |
| 00:04.48 | linuxxr | ok |
| 00:04.52 | Arcnet | to find out what packagesomething is do a |
| 00:04.52 | linuxxr | thanks |
| 00:04.53 | Arcnet | px aux |
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| 00:05.09 | Arcnet | (can't remember the exact name - packagekitd or so) |
| 00:05.16 | linuxxr | i rebooted |
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| 00:09.21 | Arcnet | that works as well ^^ |
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| 00:16.09 | SpeedEvil | ohnosec - the time between realising your foot is nice and toasty warm, and realising that you've stepped on your laptop. |
| 00:16.21 | SpeedEvil | Fortunately, I have a spare. |
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| 00:17.33 | zedstar_ | been drinking speedevil? :) |
| 00:17.39 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 00:17.42 | SpeedEvil | Been tidying up. |
| 00:21.24 | mmaestri | all new u-boots can boot from ext2 micro sd? |
| 00:25.14 | spdr_ | is there no perl Net:RawIP for the moko? :( |
| 00:26.53 | zedstar_ | speedevil i can top stepping on your laptop...i once put a pc on top of my car as i was moving stuff into it at university...drove off with the pc on my car...didnt release until did a sharp right and it came off into the road just as the sheffield super tram was coming along |
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| 00:36.19 | baird | Without a SIM, the phones should still be able to call 112? (obviously something I won't want to test for myself..) |
| 00:36.30 | SpeedEvil | baird: not in all countries |
| 00:36.35 | SpeedEvil | baird: not the UK forex |
| 00:36.55 | SpeedEvil | (you can't dial anything) |
| 00:37.15 | ieatlint | i dunno if the software supports it |
| 00:37.30 | ieatlint | here in the US you can, but that doesn't mean the phone will do it |
| 00:37.34 | baird | Well, I'm in Australia, where it's a class licence condition that carriers support emergency calls to 112.. |
| 00:37.52 | ieatlint | the dialer might go "hey, you're not registered" and do anything |
| 00:37.56 | baird | (..but does the moko do it?) |
| 00:38.14 | ieatlint | i'll make a test later today to a non-emergency number |
| 00:38.26 | ieatlint | i think i can dial 611 without a sim card (mobile phone customer service) |
| 00:38.34 | piksi | here in finland it's stated by law that it's mandatory to be able to call 112 in all cases |
| 00:39.20 | ieatlint | on 2008.8, i just tried without a sim to dial 611... it immediately gave me an error saying it can't make calls because it's not registered... so unless there is a special override for 911.. |
| 00:39.44 | ieatlint | actually, isn't a mobile phone emergency call special? |
| 00:40.11 | ieatlint | it may actually be treated differently by the gsm standard to give priority and better routing |
| 00:40.35 | baird | That's what I was wondering... |
| 00:40.44 | linuxxr | maybe a sim that is an unactice sim might be a better test or at least another to preform |
| 00:40.55 | linuxxr | inactive* |
| 00:42.05 | ieatlint | ok, i have one of those too :P |
| 00:42.07 | ieatlint | one sec |
| 00:42.36 | piksi | yes they have higher priority and they drop other peoples calls if needed to get through |
| 00:42.36 | ieatlint | well, more like a min.. need to find it, put it in the neo and such |
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| 00:46.13 | BBishop | you evil guys .. dropping people's calls to test stuff |
| 00:46.18 | BBishop | :)) |
| 00:47.25 | baird | I could always go find a place where a lot of accidents happen to test out the emergency calling. :) |
| 00:47.28 | rooly|away | sounds like a plan |
| 00:47.32 | rooly|away | snickers |
| 00:48.06 | baird | The language in the wiki sounds ambiguous wrt emergency calling working.. "it has to be implimented..." |
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| 00:50.50 | ieatlint | ok |
| 00:50.57 | ieatlint | the inactive sim did nothing |
| 00:51.08 | ieatlint | however, i took the phone apart, pulled out the gsm antenna |
| 00:51.15 | ieatlint | booted the phone, it got no signal |
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| 00:51.26 | ieatlint | try to make a call, it says searching for network |
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| 00:51.45 | ieatlint | try to dial 911... and it started the call (i think pulled the battery instantly, even though it wasn't registered anyway) |
| 00:52.00 | ieatlint | so in theory, emergency calls work with 2008.8 |
| 00:52.08 | ieatlint | (without a sim..) |
| 00:53.09 | matholio__ | hey all, I'm trying to umount a partition and it kleep saying it's busy, but I haven;t used it yet. anyway to force umount ? |
| 00:53.38 | ieatlint | matholio__, is your pwd the mount? |
| 00:54.34 | matholio__ | nope it was auto-mounted, wrongly and want to remount it. |
| 00:55.08 | ieatlint | try "mount -o remount" |
| 00:55.29 | ieatlint | eg, to make it rw, "mount -o remount,rw /mounted/path" |
| 00:59.11 | matholio__ | hmm, I can add another mount point, that seems to work. |
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| 01:33.34 | Arcnet | yeah, compiled linphone :-) |
| 01:35.21 | mmaestri | Arcnet: excuse my ignorance: linphone? |
| 01:36.04 | |kb3gtn| | free voice over IP app (SIP phone) |
| 01:37.29 | mmaestri | and does it works on the fr, or has to be tested yet? |
| 01:39.18 | dns53 | you got any packages for it? |
| 01:44.10 | Arcnet | :-D |
| 01:44.18 | Arcnet | I'm working on the packages |
| 01:44.57 | Arcnet | As soon as I finish them I'll try wether this works or not and if it does I'll publish them |
| 01:45.00 | dns53 | i need to work out this weekend how to compile and build packages, there are some interesting projects around |
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| 01:50.44 | Dave | Arcnet did you ever figures out how to properly crosscompile whatever it was you were doing? :) |
| 01:52.29 | Dave | KenYoung! :D |
| 01:53.24 | Arcnet | yes, I figured it out - somehow |
| 01:55.46 | Arcnet | I installed the toolchain on ubuntu according to wiki, but the I simply compiled my stuff the usuall way (not yet creating a project for the openmokoscripts) by issuing: |
| 01:55.46 | Arcnet | ./configure --host=arm-linux --whatever-config-need |
| 01:55.46 | Arcnet | make |
| 01:55.46 | Arcnet | make install DESTDIR=/some/tempdir/for/each/package |
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| 01:56.30 | Arcnet | and for libs I did "make install DESTDIR=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm.../" as well |
| 01:57.01 | Arcnet | Now I manually create the opk-files with ipk-build |
| 01:57.46 | Dave | what the hell is --whatever-config-need? :D |
| 01:58.50 | |kb3gtn| | its a line meaning the author was to lazy to discribe what was really needed :-P |
| 01:59.09 | Arcnet | that depends on the package you want to compile |
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| 01:59.34 | Arcnet | usually you can get a list of config-options by with ./configure --help |
| 02:01.30 | drac2000 | ./configure --help |
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| 02:03.51 | Dave | oh so it's just some random OPTIONAL configure option(s) |
| 02:05.07 | Guilt | hey guys |
| 02:05.11 | Dave | hoenoes |
| 02:05.16 | Guilt | :p |
| 02:05.19 | Guilt | i'm so pissed off with the phone anyway |
| 02:05.27 | Guilt | the battery life sucks, even with mwester's kernel |
| 02:05.42 | Guilt | and the ring doesn't really work. wonder what's wrong with pulseaudio OR alsa. |
| 02:06.11 | Guilt | when i need to charge my mobile all the time, when do i expect to take it out and make it work anyway |
| 02:06.26 | Guilt | the response from FIC has been pathetic. |
| 02:07.45 | Dave | :( |
| 02:07.47 | mmontour | so ebay it and get on with your life |
| 02:07.48 | Dave | YOu spoke with them? |
| 02:07.51 | Dave | heh |
| 02:07.54 | rooly|away | snickers |
| 02:08.02 | rooly|away | points at the topic |
| 02:10.30 | Guilt | Dave: i can't get to talk with steve anyway. |
| 02:12.22 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. |
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| 02:14.48 | linuxxr | when u gonna put it on ebay? |
| 02:14.56 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.05 | linuxxr | comon now |
| 02:15.36 | linuxxr | u get mor anyways on evbbay |
| 02:16.34 | SUNWjoejaxx | Guilt: you did not buy it with the understanding that it was a stable package yet? |
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| 02:18.20 | Guilt | nope. |
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| 02:18.55 | ieatlint | Guilt, it's open source software... you have a problem with it, go get the source and fix it :P |
| 02:19.19 | SUNWjoejaxx | s/was/was\ not/ |
| 02:19.59 | SUNWjoejaxx | ieatlint: you know what the funny thing is? Openmoko is fun for me in its broken/unstable state |
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| 02:20.18 | ieatlint | me too |
| 02:20.18 | SUNWjoejaxx | ieatlint: i think if it was stable it would be boring to me :P |
| 02:20.42 | SUNWjoejaxx | but it is the thrill of hacking on it and getting things to work |
| 02:20.46 | ieatlint | i'm working on a snake game using an accelerometer, and i'm making a app that uses a nextbus backend so i can get bus arrival estimates on my phone |
| 02:20.50 | SUNWjoejaxx | building package for it etc |
| 02:20.56 | SUNWjoejaxx | ieatlint: nice |
| 02:21.26 | raster | ieatlint: seriously tho... Guilt has a point |
| 02:21.28 | ieatlint | the latter of which i think breaks the terms of services by nextbus, so i may not release it |
| 02:21.29 | raster | u spend $400 |
| 02:21.34 | raster | and u espect iut to basically work |
| 02:21.38 | raster | i do know ists open source |
| 02:21.43 | raster | most oss u download for $0 |
| 02:21.51 | raster | so if it works at all - be amazed |
| 02:21.54 | ieatlint | well, the hardware does work |
| 02:22.01 | ieatlint | and that's what he paid for |
| 02:22.06 | linuxxr | it did work with the 2007.2 |
| 02:22.07 | ieatlint | the software is what needs work |
| 02:22.41 | raster | ieatlint: the hardware works for.. qualified limits |
| 02:22.49 | raster | ie the sd card rf interference vs gps |
| 02:22.52 | raster | sure - there is a workaround |
| 02:22.56 | raster | thats good for most stuff |
| 02:23.03 | raster | the audio quality is another |
| 02:23.12 | linuxxr | will opkg kill my neo? |
| 02:23.18 | raster | but i do know what he means |
| 02:23.34 | raster | in terms of - he's a customer |
| 02:23.38 | ieatlint | true enough, but if the software were perfect commercial grade, and the hardware had those problems with workarounds... your attitude would be different |
| 02:23.39 | raster | he bought what is marketed as a hpone |
| 02:23.50 | raster | and at leats it has the image of "it just has rough bits" |
| 02:23.50 | raster | eg |
| 02:23.59 | raster | i'd maybe think it'd crash once a day or so |
| 02:24.06 | raster | maybe some really out-there uses not work |
| 02:24.13 | raster | i'd EXPECt a basic wifi gui config |
| 02:24.24 | raster | basic sms and phone (incoming and outgoing) to work mostly reliably |
| 02:24.29 | raster | suspend/resume be pretty solid |
| 02:24.31 | ieatlint | well, it sucks if you bought it thinking that... i spend 3 days at linuxworld telling people that if they were looking for a phone, the neo wasn't it |
| 02:24.38 | raster | of coruse you, and me - we are in the thikc of it |
| 02:24.41 | raster | we know the details |
| 02:24.46 | raster | but most peolpe who hear of it in the press |
| 02:24.48 | raster | read the website |
| 02:24.49 | ieatlint | if they wanted a little linux computer with a gsm modem and unstable software... :P |
| 02:24.51 | raster | dont |
| 02:24.52 | rooly|away | likes his freerunner phone |
| 02:25.00 | raster | they have an expectation bar that has not been met |
| 02:25.38 | linuxxr | no way |
| 02:25.39 | ieatlint | well, pc magazine did an article that using info from me that states it doesn't work as a phone really |
| 02:25.53 | coomac | raster: the openmoko site doesn't say the phone is commercially ready yet, so anyone expecting a working phone either misread or didn't read closely enough |
| 02:26.02 | raster | coomac: i know it doesnt |
| 02:26.14 | raster | but it doesnt try and set expectations |
| 02:26.18 | raster | people see a phone |
| 02:26.20 | rooly|away | that it works as a phone for *some* people is beyond the point |
| 02:26.20 | raster | its a phone |
| 02:26.23 | raster | they expect.. a phone |
| 02:26.44 | raster | the fact that so many people are annoyed says something |
| 02:26.47 | raster | ie its NOT made clear |
| 02:26.52 | rooly|away | true |
| 02:26.52 | raster | its nebulous |
| 02:26.52 | SUNWjoejaxx | i do have to say the image that the website puts out is a bit misleading |
| 02:26.57 | coomac | they expect a phone, but if android was released _right now_ it's going to have a lot of issues as well |
| 02:27.02 | raster | if u dig and research enough - u'll find out |
| 02:27.04 | linuxxr | for the most part "they" know what they were getting to |
| 02:27.09 | raster | coomac: and true |
| 02:27.16 | raster | and thats just the problem |
| 02:27.17 | linuxxr | in* |
| 02:27.18 | raster | its released |
| 02:27.19 | raster | on sale |
| 02:27.25 | raster | and expectations are at 7 |
| 02:27.28 | raster | delivery is at 3 |
| 02:27.41 | raster | the website doesnt firmyl say "expect a 3 - you wont get more" |
| 02:27.51 | raster | even iof right now the software is moving to a 4 or 5 |
| 02:27.59 | ieatlint | i dunno |
| 02:28.00 | raster | always set expectations lower and OVER-deliver |
| 02:28.01 | linuxxr | just because 1 person is not happy isnt a reason to ???? |
| 02:28.02 | raster | always |
| 02:28.10 | raster | linuxxr: its not 1 |
| 02:28.15 | ieatlint | it's like getting beta software |
| 02:28.18 | raster | theres a steady stream of them |
| 02:28.18 | raster | :) |
| 02:28.35 | rooly|away | there are alot of people in the world that don't do their homework |
| 02:28.36 | raster | the point is that delivery and expectations have a big fat gap |
| 02:28.40 | ieatlint | the phone is there to give you the hardware to develop on |
| 02:28.43 | rooly|away | doesn't make it the teachers fault when they fail |
| 02:28.43 | SUNWjoejaxx | what image does the Freerunner ship by default? |
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| 02:28.55 | coomac | raster: I see where you're coming from, but it's not openmoko's fault that people are so used to one way of thinking about products that they can't wrap their minds around the opensource method openmoko is using |
| 02:28.59 | ieatlint | rooly|away, and those who made the mistake, sucks for them, sell it on ebay and maybe lose a few bucks |
| 02:29.12 | raster | ro indeed. but all it will result in is a bunch of peole walkign away going "fucked if i'm ever touching a linux phone again. they suck. linux is so unstable and useless" |
| 02:29.27 | ieatlint | SUNWjoejaxx, gta02v5 shipped with 2007.2 "stable" from 4/28/08 |
| 02:29.35 | raster | so you build a bunch of burnt customers |
| 02:29.39 | linuxxr | when they buy the thing it says in big letters what it is so they should have passed it up |
| 02:29.39 | raster | who of course tell their friends too |
| 02:29.41 | raster | who tell theirs |
| 02:29.42 | ieatlint | i think the gta02v6 ships with a 2008.8 image |
| 02:29.42 | raster | ... |
| 02:29.44 | rooly|away | raster: one thing tho, a very large part of the mobile market is moving to linux |
| 02:29.53 | SUNWjoejaxx | ieatlint: maybe they should install the image they recommend on the Q&A (ie Qtopia) |
| 02:30.07 | raster | ro i know |
| 02:30.11 | raster | rooly|away: i know |
| 02:30.12 | raster | :) |
| 02:30.16 | rooly|away | i like the ro |
| 02:30.18 | rooly|away | ti's cool |
| 02:30.21 | ieatlint | SUNWjoejaxx, there's a big long thread on the mailing list about that methinks |
| 02:30.25 | raster | within 10 years linux will be the major os on mobiles - thats my bet |
| 02:30.28 | raster | ie > 50% |
| 02:30.45 | ieatlint | i think the consensus is to not bother, you can flash it at home in 10min |
| 02:30.49 | raster | i just find it not good to build a set of "haters" or "burnt customers" early in the game |
| 02:30.51 | linuxxr | if there was a 1 click method to change os that would work for those |
| 02:30.57 | SUNWjoejaxx | ieatlint: i think i wll have a look at the archives then, i believe i missed that thread |
| 02:31.09 | raster | its a cool nerd toy |
| 02:31.17 | rooly|away | is a nerd |
| 02:31.18 | raster | a great "gsm + arm mini-computer" |
| 02:31.20 | raster | you are right |
| 02:31.26 | raster | it just needs to be heavily pushed as such |
| 02:31.26 | linuxxr | let them sell it on ebat an proly make a hundred |
| 02:31.29 | ieatlint | SUNWjoejaxx, would've been an old thread, was being discussed for the gta02v5 initial run |
| 02:31.40 | SUNWjoejaxx | ieatlint: oh wow |
| 02:31.55 | raster | ok |
| 02:31.56 | raster | food |
| 02:31.59 | rooly|away | i tell the people who ask about my phone this: |
| 02:32.01 | ieatlint | raster, really -- it's a mini-computer with a gsm modem on it |
| 02:32.05 | raster | take my fr with me and hope it keeps working |
| 02:32.06 | raster | :) |
| 02:32.07 | rooly|away | it's more a hand-held desktop than a phone |
| 02:32.16 | rooly|away | it's a "phone that can hack the CIA" |
| 02:32.20 | raster | ieatlint: i know - BUt ius not marketed or seen that way! |
| 02:32.35 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 02:32.45 | ieatlint | it's fun |
| 02:33.05 | ieatlint | and when people ask how stable it is or how well it works, my simple response is that i bring a spare nokia phone with me :) |
| 02:33.10 | rooly|away | are there any bluetoothe apps yet? |
| 02:33.24 | rooly|away | besides the btkb one |
| 02:33.30 | rooly|away | which doesn't work on the current repo's anymore |
| 02:34.54 | xmpp | are there any telephone apps yet? |
| 02:35.14 | rooly|away | that's a joke, right? |
| 02:35.34 | linuxxr | looks like opkg upgraded me to 2008.814 |
| 02:36.12 | SUNWjoejaxx | hey linuxxr ! |
| 02:36.13 | SUNWjoejaxx | :) |
| 02:36.21 | linuxxr | wassa |
| 02:36.28 | SUNWjoejaxx | nothing much |
| 02:36.43 | linuxxr | locations maps to install |
| 02:37.07 | rooly|away | meh |
| 02:37.13 | rooly|away | the locations app is terrble |
| 02:37.25 | linuxxr | diversity? |
| 02:37.37 | linuxxr | uninstall |
| 02:38.12 | linuxxr | i cant seem to get tango to find me |
| 02:38.34 | rooly|away | did the gpsd setup? |
| 02:38.52 | linuxxr | dont know |
| 02:39.21 | *** part/#openmoko coomac (n=coomac@cpe-76-189-160-104.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 02:39.42 | rooly|away | opkg install gpsd |
| 02:39.45 | ieatlint | semantic question: if a company's TOS says that you cannot use "screen scrapers" to automatically take information off their site, would this preclude me from using their xml backend? |
| 02:39.47 | rooly|away | vi /etc/default/gpsd |
| 02:39.47 | linuxxr | ok |
| 02:40.01 | rooly|away | change /dev/ttySC to /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 02:40.02 | ieatlint | because i'm not parsing html code... i'm using their own data source... hehe |
| 02:40.35 | rooly|away | ieatlint: that policy is not enforcable in court |
| 02:41.00 | ieatlint | well, that sounds worth betting my financial future on |
| 02:41.15 | ieatlint | "but some guy on irc said it wasn't enforceable" :P |
| 02:41.20 | rooly|away | haha |
| 02:41.37 | rooly|away | a TOS is not the same as a copyright claim |
| 02:41.51 | ieatlint | true enough, i suppose i would only risk being banned |
| 02:41.53 | rooly|away | the most they can do is revoke your membership |
| 02:42.04 | ieatlint | no membership :) |
| 02:42.20 | ieatlint | and it would appear as a standard client using their approved software |
| 02:42.48 | ieatlint | well... i'll see, i definitely am making this app for myself, but i may not release it |
| 02:43.10 | rooly|away | a sound policy |
| 02:45.49 | linuxxr | vi /etc/default/gpsd |
| 02:45.55 | linuxxr | wat to do |
| 02:46.46 | linuxxr | specify a non-NMEA driver |
| 02:47.31 | linuxxr | GPSD_OPTS=?? |
| 02:47.32 | rooly|away | no |
| 02:47.44 | rooly|away | change /dev/ttySC to /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 02:47.54 | linuxxr | ok |
| 02:47.57 | rooly|away | (that's a zero, not an o) |
| 02:48.33 | linuxxr | PS_DEV="/dev/ttyS3" |
| 02:49.11 | rooly|away | whichever |
| 02:49.15 | rooly|away | sory, ttyS3 |
| 02:49.18 | rooly|away | ttySAC0 |
| 02:49.24 | linuxxr | ok |
| 02:50.10 | mmontour | 0 is GSM, ttySAC1 for GPS |
| 02:50.27 | rooly|away | my bad |
| 02:50.32 | linuxxr | put 1 then? |
| 02:50.35 | rooly|away | yeah |
| 02:50.50 | rooly|away | yeah |
| 02:50.58 | rooly|away | my mistake, /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 02:51.14 | linuxxr | ok |
| 02:51.19 | linuxxr | done |
| 02:51.22 | rooly|away | now turn on gps |
| 02:51.25 | rooly|away | wait about a minute |
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| 02:51.30 | rooly|away | and load up tango |
| 02:55.48 | Arcnet | linphone is done :-) |
| 02:55.49 | Arcnet | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Archimedes |
| 02:56.02 | Arcnet | It starts up, but I didn't check any further |
| 02:58.49 | linuxxr | yeeea haaaa |
| 02:58.55 | linuxxr | w |
| 02:59.07 | rooly|away | ... |
| 02:59.45 | linuxxr | so that wifi u were helping me with rooly |
| 03:00.02 | linuxxr | the other day |
| 03:00.32 | linuxxr | i think i got the supplicant in order i think |
| 03:00.49 | linuxxr | not sure |
| 03:00.52 | rooly|away | k? |
| 03:01.00 | rooly|away | can you ping google? |
| 03:01.09 | linuxxr | rebooting/ |
| 03:01.30 | linuxxr | using wireless u mean |
| 03:01.33 | linuxxr | ? |
| 03:01.34 | rooly|away | yeah |
| 03:01.38 | linuxxr | no |
| 03:02.07 | linuxxr | where are these" <>" on 2008.8 |
| 03:02.19 | linuxxr | keyboard? |
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| 03:02.57 | rooly|away | slide up on the keyboard |
| 03:07.59 | baird | I much prefer the keyboards in FSO/mile2... I hope the 2008.8 doesn't become the standard. (too slow to use..) |
| 03:08.37 | rooly|away | actually, i've found it to be much more fluid in use |
| 03:10.52 | linuxxr | these" <>" on 2008.8 |
| 03:11.01 | linuxxr | i cant find these |
| 03:11.22 | linuxxr | maybe i cant see |
| 03:11.51 | rooly|away | have you used opkg since the x-server started? |
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| 03:12.20 | linuxxr | yup i just did 10 minuits ago |
| 03:12.27 | rooly|away | right |
| 03:12.33 | rooly|away | you may want to restart x |
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| 03:12.46 | rooly|away | i usually just reboot tho |
| 03:13.25 | rooly|away | its /etc/init.d/xserv-nodm or something like that |
| 03:13.41 | rooly|away | just type /etc/init.d/x (tab) restart |
| 03:14.06 | SUNWjoejaxx | haha |
| 03:14.23 | SUNWjoejaxx | this git clone of the openmoko kernel is taking forever ;P |
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| 03:24.09 | Arcnet | what was qpe? |
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| 03:36.31 | rooly|away | linuxxr: what's yer status |
| 03:38.13 | SUNWjoejaxx | hmm |
| 03:38.26 | SUNWjoejaxx | are the kernel/toolchain docs on the wiki up to date? |
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| 03:40.22 | Arcnet | I don't know about the kernel, but I just used the toolchain (crosscompiler, no packagescript) to make compile some stuff |
| 03:40.40 | Arcnet | worked quite well (besides some segfaults i have to debug) |
| 03:41.47 | Arcnet | well, happy hacking, I'm need some sleep |
| 03:42.19 | SUNWjoejaxx | Goodnight Arcnet |
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| 03:44.27 | linuxxr | cant find me but i can see others position |
| 03:45.03 | linuxxr | public gps addresses |
| 03:47.44 | rooly|away | ok |
| 03:47.44 | rooly|away | nn |
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| 03:47.47 | linuxxr | ip addresses will become obsoleet |
| 03:48.13 | linuxxr | well maybe not |
| 03:49.25 | SUNWjoejaxx | :P |
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| 03:54.18 | linuxxr | # If you must specify a non-NMEA driver, uncomment and modify the next line |
| 03:54.18 | linuxxr | #GPSD_OPTS= |
| 03:54.18 | linuxxr | GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1 |
| 03:55.18 | linuxxr | i think i took the # out from #GSPD_OPTS= |
| 03:55.32 | linuxxr | so it may work now |
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| 04:22.35 | linuxxr | one paste.bin the contents of this file /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf please? |
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| 04:41.48 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r8c25a55cb223 10/opimd/ (13 files in 2 dirs): |
| 04:41.48 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Fix pyneo URL |
| 04:41.48 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Add message PIM domain + related docs |
| 04:41.49 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Update API overview |
| 04:41.49 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Move pimd-specific exceptions from helpers.py into pimd*.py |
| 04:42.36 | KenYoung | ZzzzZzZzorkman, Are you there? |
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| 04:47.50 | kd8ikt | hey ken |
| 04:47.55 | kd8ikt | got your email |
| 04:48.31 | KenYoung | Good. I'm sorry it took me so long to respond - I was not monitoring that mailing list yet. |
| 04:48.53 | kd8ikt | no biggy |
| 04:48.55 | KenYoung | What do you wish the program did, that it does not yet do? |
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| 04:49.24 | kd8ikt | its pretty fine the way it is |
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| 04:49.56 | KenYoung | I'm going to add a finger mode this weekend, so you don't need to use a stylus to pan. |
| 04:50.44 | KenYoung | 2op "I have four three new displays in the works - so each of the 90 degree rotated orientations will show a different type of astronomical display. |
| 04:53.29 | kd8ikt | it has a night vision mode right? <red> |
| 04:53.53 | KenYoung | No it doesn't. I should add that. |
| 04:54.37 | kd8ikt | i couldve swore it did i must of been thinking of stellarium |
| 04:54.48 | KenYoung | Also, I have found it useful, on my Treo, to be able to turn the entire display red, for use as a night-vision flashlight at star parties. |
| 04:55.26 | KenYoung | Has stellarium been ported to Openmoko phones? I haven't seen it. |
| 04:55.28 | kd8ikt | oh thats neat like a red theme? |
| 04:55.46 | KenYoung | Solid red - so it's like a red-filtered flashlight. |
| 04:55.58 | kd8ikt | i doubt it stellarium i think uses opengl and i think its quite large |
| 04:56.28 | KenYoung | But I need a night vision mode for the normal display too. Both are easy, of course. |
| 04:58.09 | KenYoung | I can't compete with programs like stellarium, but my hope is that if I keep the footprint small, lots of people will install orrery who might not otherwise be willing to install a big astronomy program, because of memory footprint. |
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| 05:17.47 | KenYoung | Does anyone know if, under 2008.8, you can configure the Freerunner to dim the backlight after one time interval, and suspend after a different time interval? |
| 05:26.43 | kd8ikt | the FSO confichmod +x install.sh |
| 05:27.02 | kd8ikt | whoopz but the FSO illume config does |
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| 05:27.28 | kd8ikt | i think you can install it to 2008... but i dunno how or if it would work |
| 05:28.14 | KenYoung | kd8ikt, Thanks for the pointer. I'll give it a try. |
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| 05:28.44 | kd8ikt | i think there is a tiny mention of it int the 2008 guide |
| 05:29.38 | KenYoung | I have a bad habit of not reading TFM. |
| 05:29.39 | TankC | hey everyone, when running "opkg update" on my freerunner I get a lot of 404 errors from downloads.openmoko.org using 2008.8... am I missing something? (I know DNS is set up correctly) |
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| 05:29.49 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Guide |
| 05:30.21 | kd8ikt | Your have to install "illume-config" to have more control over power management, scrolling speeds, keyboard options, and to change how the interface looks. |
| 05:30.39 | kd8ikt | found it ----^ |
| 05:30.54 | RayDar | I have noticed that if I leave my GTA01 on for several hours (connected to USB), it will suddenly and quickly drain its battery. I think it spontaneously turns on the vibrator and leaves it on! |
| 05:30.56 | ieatlint | anyone know how to tell a friend that their boyfriend is gay and get out sooner rather than later? :P |
| 05:31.02 | kd8ikt | but i did that once and the liil config wrench never showed up |
| 05:31.11 | KenYoung | kd8ikt, I actually did install that. It claims to be able to control the backlight, but it seems to actually control when suspend occurs. |
| 05:31.22 | kd8ikt | oh really |
| 05:31.26 | KenYoung | kd8ikt, I've got the little config wrench. |
| 05:32.27 | kd8ikt | disabled 2008's default suspend/backlight stuff or set the backlight to 1sec or somethin |
| 05:32.30 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 05:32.34 | SUNWjoejaxx | the toolchain is missing mkimage :) |
| 05:32.39 | kd8ikt | hey ieatlint |
| 05:32.43 | kd8ikt | thats funny |
| 05:32.49 | KenYoung | kd8ikt, When I have my Freerunner connected to USB, I want it to never suspend, but turn off the backlight after being idle for ~5 minutes. |
| 05:32.54 | ieatlint | hey kd8ikt |
| 05:32.56 | RayDar | ieatlint: How do you know they are gay? Did you have sex with him? |
| 05:33.05 | ieatlint | not really funny, actually :( |
| 05:33.06 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 05:33.27 | ieatlint | RayDar, uh, because he's not the most closet gay, and we've been telling her for years |
| 05:33.34 | kd8ikt | so he's really bi then |
| 05:33.44 | ieatlint | and he just asked if they could move to an open relationship so he could date guys too |
| 05:33.50 | ieatlint | no, i don't think so |
| 05:34.07 | kd8ikt | yikes |
| 05:34.17 | RayDar | ieatlint: You have to let someone make their own mistakes. The best course is to stay out of it. |
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| 05:34.46 | ieatlint | RayDar, heh, i don't stay out of my friends lives, but i don't make their decisions either |
| 05:34.56 | kd8ikt | dunno ken... thats a tall order, and given our current resouces probably not possible or atleast tough to setup |
| 05:35.30 | ieatlint | actually fso might be able to do that using the framework |
| 05:35.34 | RayDar | Has anyone else noticed spontaneous quick battery drain after it has been on for several hours? |
| 05:35.48 | ieatlint | i think suspend is controlled by the frameworkd, and you could just configure the daemon that calls it so see if it's charging |
| 05:35.53 | SUNWjoejaxx | RayDar: my freerunner drains after 6-8 hours |
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| 05:35.58 | KenYoung | kd8ikt, It seems like a natural thing to want to do, though. Why would anyone want to go into suspend when they are attached to the USB? |
| 05:36.11 | kd8ikt | thinks ieatlint has the right idea |
| 05:36.36 | kd8ikt | but wouldnt know where to start on 2008 cause i havent spent much time with it |
| 05:36.41 | dbmoodb | hi any one got sound working on debian on the openmoko ? |
| 05:36.46 | RayDar | SUNWjoejaxx: My GTA01 will drain even when connected to the USB port. It will run fine for several hours and then suddenly drain the battery. I think it turns on the vibrator and leaves it on until it dies. |
| 05:36.54 | KenYoung | ieatlint, Yes, that sounds like the way to do it. Thanks. |
| 05:37.48 | kd8ikt | has been installing debian via the installer.sh for about 20min sofar |
| 05:37.54 | dbmoodb | RayDar: no on 3007.2 its fine fo me |
| 05:38.19 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: ah ... oh i see (2007.2*) -- sure thing there are some sound modules .. but i can't get it to output anything |
| 05:38.51 | kd8ikt | tried manually farting with alsamixer? |
| 05:39.08 | dbmoodb | the plus side is the wifi works better for some reason / seems to with wpa on debian than on 2007.2 ... at least for me -- kd8ikt yeah i'm not sure .. of how to do it i put all to max.. and no luck |
| 05:39.08 | RayDar | dbmoodb: I don't understand "3007.2" |
| 05:39.18 | dbmoodb | i did manage to get it working before RayDar i meant 2007.2 |
| 05:39.38 | ieatlint | eating is so annoying... and now all the good places are probably closed |
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| 05:40.35 | SUNWjoejaxx | hmm i should probably document this on the wiki |
| 05:40.46 | kd8ikt | ieatlint: tell her to setup a "motion" linux camserver that records sound so she can spy on him or also setup a keylogger ;) |
| 05:40.56 | SUNWjoejaxx | if you go to build the kernel from git mkimage is missing from the toolchain |
| 05:41.01 | ieatlint | kd8ikt, heh, that's no way to live |
| 05:41.05 | kd8ikt | keyloggers are notorious for ruining relationships |
| 05:41.10 | SUNWjoejaxx | though you can get it from u-boot.git |
| 05:41.12 | SUNWjoejaxx | :) |
| 05:41.37 | ieatlint | not only is it immoral and creepy, it's also a very deep sign of distrust, which already means your relationship is a sham |
| 05:42.24 | kd8ikt | or you could install a keylogger and forward anonymous sections of it to her via email |
| 05:42.32 | kd8ikt | lol |
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| 05:44.39 | kd8ikt | though that might instigate demestic violence cause we all know chicks are #$%$@^ crazy |
| 05:44.44 | ieatlint | i could just photoshop his face onto gay porn so she'll finally believe he's gay |
| 05:45.01 | kd8ikt | domestic |
| 05:45.45 | kd8ikt | i got tired of listening to my police scanner cause more often than not it was domestic violence calls |
| 05:46.52 | ieatlint | clearly you don't live in a rich enough neighbourhood |
| 05:47.14 | ieatlint | the rich neighbourhoods, the scanners just go "report of a black man walking on sidewalk" |
| 05:47.43 | kd8ikt | dude my scanner would pick up stuff in a 10+ mile radius |
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| 05:48.36 | kd8ikt | but sometimes i would drive around checking for babymonitors and old cordless phones |
| 05:48.45 | kd8ikt | those where fun times |
| 05:49.04 | SUNWjoejaxx | woohoo mkimage! |
| 05:49.14 | kd8ikt | ok back on openmoko topic i veared a bit |
| 05:49.21 | bieber | Does anyone know if uBoot has anything to do with suspend/resume? My Freerunner at this point won't come out of suspend with OM2008.8, FSO Milestone 2, or Qtopia images, regardless of reflashes ind such. Perhaps reflashing uBoot could help? |
| 05:50.08 | KenYoung | bieber, I'd be very surprised if uBoot had any effect on that. |
| 05:50.28 | |kb3gtn| | suspend I don't think is the same as powered off.. u-boot is only used at power on.. so It should have an effect.. |
| 05:50.38 | |kb3gtn| | (shouldn't) |
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| 05:51.00 | bieber | Could it be a hardware issue, then? It doesn't seem that the problem should persist across multiple distributions :/ |
| 05:51.35 | KenYoung | bieber, What have you tried to get it to come out of suspend? |
| 05:51.59 | SUNWjoejaxx | hmm |
| 05:51.59 | |kb3gtn| | mine sometimes dosn't wake up eather.. on mutipule distros |
| 05:52.09 | SUNWjoejaxx | maybe i should look at the openmoko trac more often |
| 05:52.26 | araujo | Hello |
| 05:52.30 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: if you get sound going post how to do it on the wiki please :) |
| 05:52.39 | SUNWjoejaxx | it looks like i am duplicating work: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1730 |
| 05:52.41 | bieber | This is consistent, though. It was a little spotty for a while, and now there's no way to get it out of suspend, ever |
| 05:53.54 | KenYoung | bieber, I think that's more apt to be hardware than uBoot. I don't think any of the uBoot code does anything after linux is running. |
| 05:55.00 | bieber | Blegh, so I guess it'll be back to FIC? |
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| 05:56.41 | bieber | Has anyone heard anything about similar problems? Perhaps a specific part that may be defective? |
| 05:57.40 | KenYoung | bieber, I'd certainly post a message to the community mailing list about it, before sending it back to FIC. You'll get more eyeballs there, I think. |
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| 06:01.17 | dbmoodb | loads up firefox on phone |
| 06:01.17 | kd8ikt | dbmoodb: i'll remember you if i can boot it up in the first place |
| 06:01.17 | dbmoodb | --- what's the problem -- you only get 5/6 hours without suspending ? |
| 06:01.17 | kd8ikt | here goes |
| 06:01.17 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: i didn't use the script so... |
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| 06:03.58 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: yikes i should have given my self some swap space -- does the script do that ? |
| 06:04.17 | kd8ikt | dont think so |
| 06:04.23 | kd8ikt | and it failed |
| 06:04.44 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: .... well do it your self :) |
| 06:05.03 | dbmoodb | if you want / you tell me how to i can post what i have here ... |
| 06:05.44 | kd8ikt | pretty sure you can add a swapfile |
| 06:05.57 | dbmoodb | swapfile ? ... don't we need a partition ? |
| 06:06.06 | kd8ikt | nope |
| 06:06.28 | dbmoodb | ah how does one do that ? |
| 06:06.31 | kd8ikt | dd a file the size you want it then mkswap /filename and swapon /filename |
| 06:07.31 | KenYoung | roh - are you online? |
| 06:07.36 | kd8ikt | dd if=/dev/zero of=/location/of/swapfileyouwant count=1 bs=1024 |
| 06:07.52 | kd8ikt | change count number to increase size |
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| 06:08.33 | kd8ikt | thats for only 1k---^ |
| 06:08.44 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: i found a googley pagey from google |
| 06:08.49 | SUNWjoejaxx | woohoo |
| 06:08.52 | dbmoodb | making one of 100mb |
| 06:09.00 | SUNWjoejaxx | booted into my new custom kernel ;) |
| 06:09.04 | kd8ikt | count=1000 for 1M |
| 06:10.01 | dbmoodb | anyone know where apm / power is controlled ? |
| 06:10.13 | dbmoodb | is it in the kernel hardset for the fso 2 kernel ? |
| 06:12.00 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: where does one mount it ? |
| 06:12.08 | dbmoodb | just normally in fstab or ? |
| 06:12.14 | Infoport | hello all ! |
| 06:12.26 | SUNWjoejaxx | Infoport: Good Morning! :) |
| 06:12.41 | Infoport | SUNMjoejaxx how is it custom? |
| 06:13.03 | SUNWjoejaxx | Infoport: root@om-gta02:~# mount | grep selinux |
| 06:13.03 | SUNWjoejaxx | none on /selinux type selinuxfs (rw) |
| 06:13.03 | dbmoodb | nevermind it works now :) |
| 06:13.21 | SUNWjoejaxx | Infoport: ;) |
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| 06:13.37 | kd8ikt | swapon /swap.file worked? |
| 06:13.41 | SUNWjoejaxx | Infoport: i enabled selinux support in the kernel |
| 06:14.03 | kd8ikt | after that yes you can modify fstab to automount it at boot google for the correct syntax |
| 06:14.16 | SUNWjoejaxx | Infoport: i also realized i was duplicating work after compiling it: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1730 |
| 06:14.32 | Infoport | SUNWjoejaxx encrypted partitions too, or just the part that warns you for insecure stuff? |
| 06:14.46 | SUNWjoejaxx | hmm? |
| 06:15.12 | SUNWjoejaxx | selinux is MAC :P |
| 06:16.22 | Infoport | SUNWjoejaxx oops, not Security Enhanced Linux? |
| 06:16.42 | SUNWjoejaxx | Infoport: yeah same thing |
| 06:17.07 | SUNWjoejaxx | i was just wondering what you meant by encrypted partitions |
| 06:17.09 | SUNWjoejaxx | :P |
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| 06:17.47 | SUNWjoejaxx | Infoport: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELinux |
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| 06:20.54 | Infoport | SUNWjoejaxx I expect that to be the next step-- encrypting the data partitions and mounting them loopback, so your data is safe if your phone disappears |
| 06:20.54 | SUNWjoejaxx | Infoport: ah |
| 06:20.55 | SUNWjoejaxx | Infoport: i thought you were asking whether that was a part of selinux or not (which it is not) |
| 06:20.55 | kd8ikt | cmon infopart thats unneeded overhead |
| 06:20.56 | SUNWjoejaxx | lol |
| 06:20.56 | Infoport | kd8ikt yeah I am just going to keep my xxx pictures somewhere else and not encrypt :-P |
| 06:20.56 | kd8ikt | i mean my laptop uses dm-crypt AES fulldisk encryption... but for this lil phone.... overkill |
| 06:21.02 | Infoport | i guess someone could figure out my friends and contacts |
| 06:21.50 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: i agree anything secure encrypt and store elsewhere ... / download as you need via scp then wipe / shredd if need be |
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| 06:22.35 | Infoport | actually I think a "call home" program, for if the phone is stolen, would be much better usefulness |
| 06:22.48 | kd8ikt | yes |
| 06:22.55 | kd8ikt | find the sucker that stole it |
| 06:23.01 | dbmoodb | Infoport: oh yeah enable gps and then phone home via net / sms |
| 06:23.12 | SUNWjoejaxx | dbmoodb: haha! |
| 06:23.15 | kd8ikt | GPRS email |
| 06:23.34 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: sms too.. don't want to risk them taking the sim out and loose a gprs config / setup |
| 06:23.39 | Infoport | dbmoodb wipe/shred programs would wear out your storage (although seems like a good idea, have to balance need vs wear) |
| 06:24.10 | kd8ikt | but within a day or two they will probably reflash |
| 06:24.28 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: can they do that from windowsz? |
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| 06:24.51 | dbmoodb | ooo pretty floating debian on my phone |
| 06:25.01 | kd8ikt | so biweekly updates? |
| 06:25.12 | dbmoodb | i supose |
| 06:25.45 | Infoport | mmm...I guess I need to see what I can do with Qtopia now. install it but havent done much |
| 06:26.06 | Infoport | oooh maybe I can see stars tonight too to go with orrery! |
| 06:26.25 | KenYoung | Infoport, I hope so. |
| 06:26.30 | kd8ikt | heh |
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| 06:27.55 | SUNWjoejaxx | dbmoodb: haha :) how do you like debian on your openmoko? |
| 06:30.19 | dbmoodb | mm there is a bug---i can't get to the keyboard after going gnome-screensaver -l (lock) oh well... |
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| 06:30.34 | SUNWjoejaxx | dbmoodb: ah :\ |
| 06:30.36 | dbmoodb | SUNWjoejaxx: i like i'm a apt-get debian guy |
| 06:30.50 | SUNWjoejaxx | dbmoodb: :) |
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| 06:31.11 | dbmoodb | fso has some bug tho with my sim card pin or blah |
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| 06:41.14 | aggtrfrad | is there a tar of the kernel source that the kernel image was build (conf file, make, make modules, make install, Module.symvers. etc.) on? |
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| 06:41.39 | aggtrfrad | so u can just grab it and cross compile? (or at least try) |
| 06:42.00 | kd8ikt | think you have to use git to grab it |
| 06:42.34 | aggtrfrad | wiki is a chaos :D I cant find anything |
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| 06:43.30 | kd8ikt | nmap 6.68 w00t |
| 06:43.35 | kd8ikt | 4.68* |
| 06:43.36 | ieatlint | my god.. i just found a pizza place that's open till 2:30am and delivers for free |
| 06:43.42 | ieatlint | and the pizza is pretty decent |
| 06:44.00 | kd8ikt | what time you got? over here its 2:44 |
| 06:44.08 | kd8ikt | AM |
| 06:44.11 | ieatlint | i'm west coast |
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| 06:44.23 | kd8ikt | so... 12:00? |
| 06:44.31 | ieatlint | in 13min, yeah |
| 06:44.40 | ieatlint | hmm, this clock is fast, 15min |
| 06:45.10 | phrozen77_ | hmm |
| 06:45.18 | ieatlint | the 24hour places are not good |
| 06:45.25 | phrozen77_ | waiting for the delivery of his FR |
| 06:45.40 | phrozen77_ | if it doesnt arrive today - the postman will be hung up |
| 06:45.40 | ieatlint | you're supposed to be drunk or high enough not to care |
| 06:46.43 | phrozen77_ | well no |
| 06:46.48 | phrozen77_ | its 8:45 am |
| 06:47.01 | ieatlint | where are you? mainland europe, i surmise |
| 06:47.08 | phrozen77_ | yup, germany |
| 06:47.24 | ieatlint | nice, which part? |
| 06:47.28 | phrozen77_ | bavaria |
| 06:47.29 | phrozen77_ | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/16/0037221&from=rss |
| 06:47.35 | ieatlint | nice |
| 06:48.38 | Bill_ | s |
| 06:48.39 | Bill_ | 09:47:35 < ieatlint> nice |
| 06:48.49 | Bill_ | oops, sry |
| 06:50.02 | ieatlint | oooh, estonia |
| 06:50.07 | kd8ikt | those slashdotters are idiots |
| 06:50.20 | ieatlint | glad to see russia isn't knocking you offline these days :P |
| 06:50.22 | phrozen77_ | mhm |
| 06:50.33 | ieatlint | the moko on slashdot? |
| 06:50.37 | phrozen77_ | slashdot is almost as worse as 4chan /b/ |
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| 06:52.27 | kd8ikt | and symbian will never be open (sure you can develop apps for the j2me but that doesnt cut it) as for android they have adopted a license that allows them to whore open software but not contribute back to it and allow companies/service providers to relock it down again... |
| 06:52.50 | kd8ikt | like what archos has done |
| 06:53.11 | kd8ikt | they use linux but they lock it up so you will never get a root shell |
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| 06:53.18 | kd8ikt | so it doesnt matter |
| 06:53.23 | kd8ikt | might as well be windows |
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| 06:53.46 | ieatlint | symbian allows native language |
| 06:54.04 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 06:54.24 | ieatlint | symbian has a jre, but you can develop in native code |
| 06:54.43 | kd8ikt | still the underlying system is still locked up/propreitary you cant modify the kernel or rest of the OS |
| 06:55.06 | Bill_ | ieatlint: heh.. they didn't even last year |
| 06:55.06 | ieatlint | oh, for sure, plus you are restricted as to what hardware you can access and how |
| 06:55.16 | kd8ikt | yes |
| 06:55.21 | ieatlint | symbian? |
| 06:55.27 | kd8ikt | its bullcrap |
| 06:55.42 | ieatlint | my last phone was a nokia n80... i was running native code apps on it since june 2006 |
| 06:56.02 | kd8ikt | doesnt that have linux installed? |
| 06:56.10 | ieatlint | no |
| 06:56.17 | ieatlint | symbian s60v3 |
| 06:56.32 | ieatlint | anyway, android is locked, but i will be very curious to see it on the FR |
| 06:56.47 | ieatlint | no way they can lock it up on the FR |
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| 06:57.49 | Bill_ | ieatlint: is there anyone seriously working on bringing android to FR? |
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| 06:58.17 | ieatlint | two koolu guys were at linuxworld, and they assured us they were |
| 06:58.30 | ieatlint | they didn't have a date, since there's no date for any android phone |
| 06:58.47 | ieatlint | but they said it should be at the same time as other phones get it, or shortly thereafter |
| 06:59.44 | Bill_ | mkay |
| 06:59.50 | kd8ikt | i would like to see android on freerunner, sofar googling openmoko and android bring nothing but versus type posts |
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| 07:00.03 | kd8ikt | not a union of the two |
| 07:00.13 | kd8ikt | that is a bit disturbing |
| 07:00.18 | ieatlint | well, it will be interesting to see, but it likely will still be closed |
| 07:00.41 | ieatlint | it will lock onto the hardware and you will be stuck in their system |
| 07:01.01 | kd8ikt | what they wont provide source? |
| 07:01.12 | kd8ikt | so we can install an ssh server |
| 07:01.23 | ieatlint | they are... but i'm unsure how they have it all setup |
| 07:01.42 | ieatlint | the issue is if they put a file lock on a piece of hardware, we can't use it |
| 07:02.01 | ieatlint | so if they take control of the gps, for instance, we have to use their system to access the gps |
| 07:03.04 | kd8ikt | like the FSO api only it wont allow anything else from accessing /dev/ttySAC1 or the /sys/class filesystem? |
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| 07:03.33 | ieatlint | fso is making a server like gpsd that'll feed you the straight nmea data |
| 07:03.57 | ieatlint | so it's a "just as good" solution (that you could disable and just use the hardware without fso) |
| 07:05.16 | ieatlint | it will be interesting, anyway |
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| 07:11.17 | dbmoodb_ | kd8ikt: ? |
| 07:11.37 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 07:11.39 | dbmoodb_ | something about slashdotters and idiots ? |
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| 07:11.59 | dbmoodb_ | kd8ikt: how does one set the audio manually using alsamixer -- what do i max and what do i turn on / off ? |
| 07:12.09 | kd8ikt | do you honestly care that much about my opinion? |
| 07:12.24 | dbmoodb_ | kd8ikt: not really -- i find it funny (slashdot) |
| 07:12.50 | ieatlint | goodluck dbmoodb, the alsa channels are ... confusing, at best |
| 07:12.53 | kd8ikt | i honestly dont know alsamixer on the the freerunner is a tad ocnfusing |
| 07:12.53 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
| 07:13.36 | kd8ikt | heh lint |
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| 07:13.50 | dbmoodb__ | damn it |
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| 07:14.36 | kd8ikt | it doesnt come with the basic freerunner alsa states? |
| 07:15.11 | kd8ikt | i'd figure it'd just be a matter of loading those alsastates that have already been created |
| 07:15.24 | dbmoodb__ | well i loaded some ... |
| 07:15.30 | dbmoodb__ | there were no alsa states to start with |
| 07:15.40 | kd8ikt | find the ipkg that has em |
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| 07:15.56 | dbmoodb__ | ... there are online .. no ? |
| 07:16.04 | kd8ikt | check buildhost daily-feed |
| 07:16.21 | dbmoodb__ | kd8ikt: i thought i got them ... |
| 07:16.28 | dbmoodb__ | see the manual debian page ... |
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| 07:18.12 | ieatlint | dbmoodb, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem has the details... but i wouldn't fuck with it unless you have a lot of time |
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| 07:18.35 | ieatlint | there are a bunch of predefined alsa states |
| 07:19.55 | dbmoodb__ | ieatlint: yeah i'm trying to use some.. -- don't i just go blah alsactl -f /etcb.alalah file store ? |
| 07:20.11 | ieatlint | restore |
| 07:20.16 | ieatlint | but yeah |
| 07:20.21 | dbmoodb__ | ieatlint: can't restore there is no state |
| 07:20.24 | kd8ikt | heh you saved the current state to the file |
| 07:20.46 | ieatlint | "find / | grep state$" will show you all the audio states on the phone |
| 07:20.47 | dbmoodb__ | oh ? |
| 07:21.09 | dbmoodb__ | ieatlint: i know where they are they are under /etc/alsa_save... |
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| 07:21.22 | ieatlint | varies from image to image :P |
| 07:21.40 | dbmoodb__ | ieatlint: i copied them to there |
| 07:22.44 | dbmoodb__ | so i get a message saying no present state is stored for neo1973 sound card.. |
| 07:23.51 | dbmoodb | oops last time i read of the lil screen rofl |
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| 07:29.29 | lothar | Hi! |
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| 07:30.25 | ieatlint | hey lothar |
| 07:30.34 | ieatlint | back in germany? |
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| 07:32.04 | dbmoodb | ah so i still can't this to load the file... any ideas |
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| 07:32.21 | lothar | How long does the battery for the FR model will work (this night it has been drained, but I was able to charge again) ? |
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| 07:32.45 | kd8ikt | hey i think i finnaly got debian to start, yup x just fired up |
| 07:33.26 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: good |
| 07:34.08 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: was my fault using the wrong sound configs --- where did you say the freerunners ones are? |
| 07:34.45 | kd8ikt | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/alsa-states_0.1.0-r19_om-gta02.ipk |
| 07:35.09 | dbmoodb | ah i can't just use an ipk on debian you know rofl |
| 07:35.24 | dbmoodb | - what format is it ? tar or .. |
| 07:35.34 | kd8ikt | wow on debian zhone runs super fast |
| 07:35.50 | kd8ikt | hold on let me extract it |
| 07:35.52 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: no really -- and people were like debian would be slow |
| 07:36.16 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: oh i missed that yeah you can just extract it ... rofl |
| 07:36.20 | kd8ikt | people are stupid... individuals are smart |
| 07:36.49 | dbmoodb | ah kd8ikt there states are not in that file ... |
| 07:36.55 | kd8ikt | like ieatlint even though he likes to eat pocket lint he really is intelligent |
| 07:37.09 | dbmoodb | # Dummy file, do not delete |
| 07:37.26 | ieatlint | hey, i'm not intelligent, i already explained how i write code |
| 07:37.31 | kd8ikt | ok, but how do i pop up a console or something, zhone is the only thing i can see |
| 07:37.38 | dbmoodb | control alt x |
| 07:37.40 | kd8ikt | console pops up with AUX but... |
| 07:37.44 | ieatlint | i have a room filled with a bunch of chinese people who write code in exchange for food |
| 07:37.47 | dbmoodb | and aux for keyboard .. if you have installed it |
| 07:37.51 | kd8ikt | er i mean kkeyboard |
| 07:38.54 | kd8ikt | alt-x does nothin |
| 07:39.16 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: ... control alt x |
| 07:39.46 | kd8ikt | ah |
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| 07:42.33 | ieatlint | ok, who wants a free stress test? |
| 07:43.17 | dbmoodb | ieatlint: care to send us your alsa states ? |
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| 07:43.39 | kd8ikt | this debian is pretty bangarang |
| 07:43.41 | ieatlint | uhm |
| 07:43.48 | ieatlint | i'm using fso |
| 07:43.54 | ieatlint | i can send you fso's alsa states |
| 07:44.05 | dbmoodb | that's good :) |
| 07:44.12 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: bandarang ? |
| 07:44.12 | kd8ikt | and it uses zhone/freesmartphonedbus |
| 07:44.26 | lloyd_fedora | my freerunner cant see any ip outside my network |
| 07:44.28 | dbmoodb | ieatlint: that would be great just post it / them some where |
| 07:44.42 | ieatlint | ok, give me a min or two |
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| 07:45.03 | kd8ikt | sad i only have like 80M space left |
| 07:45.34 | benlake | could someone clarify something for me in these instructions: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia#Installing_Qtopia |
| 07:46.10 | benlake | they refer to /media/mmcblk0p2, but I don't have that. I'm guessing my counterpart is /media/mmc1? |
| 07:46.40 | kd8ikt | ugh |
| 07:46.58 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: nfs ? |
| 07:47.02 | ieatlint | http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/alsa.state.tgz |
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| 07:47.10 | ieatlint | if that link doesn't work, i typoed |
| 07:47.15 | malik1972 | benlake: do a df |
| 07:47.19 | ieatlint | and that will extract 6 states to the pwd |
| 07:47.47 | benlake | malik1972: neither is mounted |
| 07:48.22 | benlake | malik1972: well ok / is mounted so everything in /media is mounted, but no specific mount point in fstab |
| 07:48.54 | malik1972 | benlake: do you want to install qtopia on sd? |
| 07:48.57 | ieatlint | i need to try that debian kd8ikt |
| 07:49.06 | ieatlint | and apparently get a larger microsd card |
| 07:49.46 | benlake | malik1972: I was under the impression I was revamping the phone |
| 07:49.58 | kd8ikt | i installed it on my stock 512 card |
| 07:50.06 | phrozen77_ | heh |
| 07:50.09 | phrozen77_ | i got myself a 8gb |
| 07:50.11 | phrozen77_ | :) |
| 07:50.14 | kd8ikt | let the installer do the partitioning |
| 07:50.16 | malik1972 | benlake: p2 should be the 2nd partition on your sd |
| 07:50.34 | dbmoodb | my mplayer just freezes atm |
| 07:50.59 | kd8ikt | but before i rebooted i changed the boot partition back to vfat <cause i wasnt about to modify the bootenv i already have |
| 07:51.01 | benlake | malik1972: /media/card is my SD, no? |
| 07:51.17 | kd8ikt | cause the installer uses ext2 for the 1st part(/boot) |
| 07:51.33 | malik1972 | benlake: normally the 1st partition ist mounted to /media/card |
| 07:51.55 | dbmoodb | just watch it -- the suspending seems to kill the phone's sdcard (on the larger ones) people.. so if your playing with debian remember that... |
| 07:51.59 | ieatlint | i don't believe in the number 8, so i'm unable to get 8gb cards |
| 07:52.03 | benlake | malik1972: like I said there are no specific mount points to anything /media |
| 07:52.28 | malik1972 | benlake: if not you are free to do so:-) |
| 07:52.37 | benlake | malik1972: if there are supposed to be then... *cough*, this is a stock FR |
| 07:53.48 | benlake | malik1972: gotta hint at what device the SD is? |
| 07:53.53 | malik1972 | benlake: i have 4 partitions, 1st fat, the rest ext3, in all systems the 1st partition is mounted to /media/card, the others are not considered |
| 07:54.52 | dbmoodb | ieatlint: perhaps i need pulseaudio for fso on debian ? |
| 07:55.19 | malik1972 | benlake: try it yourself: mkdir blabla; mount -t yourfstype /dev/sdf1 blabla |
| 07:55.27 | benlake | malik1972: /dev/sda1 /media/hdd vfat noauto,umask=000,noatime,iocharset=utf8,codepage=932 0 0, hmm |
| 07:55.54 | malik1972 | benlake: okay, sda ... |
| 07:56.18 | ieatlint | dbmoodb, perhaps you concentrate too much on what you need and not on what others need |
| 07:56.20 | kd8ikt | sound works for me |
| 07:56.30 | benlake | malik1972: also: /dev/mmcblk0p1/media/card |
| 07:56.33 | ieatlint | then again, i'm a tad tipsy, and i don't make sense when sober |
| 07:56.37 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: really ? |
| 07:56.48 | kd8ikt | i used lints tarball and restored stereo out and am now playing mplayer -playlist http://somafm.com/groovesalad24.pls |
| 07:56.56 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 07:57.03 | dbmoodb | lints tarball ? |
| 07:57.04 | benlake | malik1972: the fstab comment says /media/hdd is "USB storage"? |
| 07:57.06 | malik1972 | benlake: what distribution? on the desktop side? |
| 07:57.25 | kd8ikt | havent been able to make a call with zhone though |
| 07:57.32 | ieatlint | careful on giving me too much credit for tarring files from my freerunner and uploading them :P |
| 07:57.42 | benlake | malik1972: default ship with FR... um can't remember the name |
| 07:57.42 | ieatlint | as involved as the process is.. |
| 07:57.54 | benlake | malik1972: 2007.2 or something |
| 07:58.06 | kd8ikt | well it stoped me from doing it |
| 07:58.43 | malik1972 | benlake: you dont see that it is mounted? then try to mount it yourself, see above |
| 07:59.02 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: yayay sound works now -- thanks ieatlint |
| 07:59.23 | dbmoodb | its dodgy as hell but it works |
| 07:59.24 | benlake | malik1972: mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist |
| 07:59.31 | kd8ikt | dunno why but i constantly get problemswith zhone |
| 07:59.41 | ieatlint | enjoy... |
| 07:59.55 | ieatlint | or else |
| 08:00.57 | phrozen77_ | UAAAAAAARG |
| 08:00.58 | benlake | malik1972: /dev/sda1 doesn't exist either, I have no idea why those entries are in fstab |
| 08:00.59 | malik1972 | benlake: okay, maybe your partition table is messy |
| 08:01.10 | phrozen77_ | no FR for me today |
| 08:01.15 | phrozen77_ | postman just drove by |
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| 08:01.54 | malik1972 | benlake: there is a kernel bug, do you have a card reader so that you can test on the sektop side? |
| 08:01.54 | malik1972 | benlake: or try the following |
| 08:02.26 | benlake | malik1972: apparently.. when following the first instruction for the rootfs, I used /media/mmc1 which was what I thought was being referred to.. think I messed anything up? not in regards to partitions, just anything non-reversable? |
| 08:03.06 | malik1972 | benlake: try "sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0" |
| 08:03.12 | benlake | malik1972: think I can get a card reader, dunno it it'll work with Hardy |
| 08:03.15 | ieatlint | ok, installing debian's distro on my spare neo |
| 08:03.24 | ieatlint | we'll see just how useful this is |
| 08:03.47 | ieatlint | or more importantly, how long before the install fucks up because networking seems unreliable on the neo |
| 08:03.55 | benlake | malik1972: sfdisk not found, fdisk? |
| 08:04.11 | malik1972 | benlake: okay, then fdisk and the output of "p" |
| 08:04.48 | benlake | malik1972: no device :( |
| 08:05.11 | malik1972 | benlake: add p0 at the end |
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| 08:06.25 | benlake | malik1972: http://paste.lisp.org/display/65396 |
| 08:06.35 | benlake | malik1972: those are the only devices I have |
| 08:07.21 | malik1972 | benlake: ohhh |
| 08:07.38 | benlake | malik1972: sounds like one of us has a clue :P |
| 08:08.12 | benlake | malik1972: oh, I didn't partition my SD |
| 08:08.26 | malik1972 | benlake: that should not be the problem |
| 08:08.28 | benlake | malik1972: bah! |
| 08:08.38 | kd8ikt | fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 08:08.48 | kd8ikt | is the sdcard |
| 08:09.04 | benlake | oh well then I fail, because I lack that |
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| 08:09.24 | kd8ikt | fdisk fails with that cmd? |
| 08:09.42 | benlake | fdisk: cannot open /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 08:09.43 | bri4nwc | ? |
| 08:09.55 | kd8ikt | then something is horribly wrong hardware or kernel |
| 08:10.19 | benlake | well it came this way :/ |
| 08:10.19 | kd8ikt | you sure you put the card in? |
| 08:10.37 | benlake | its in, I'm wondering if there is a HW or seeding problem |
| 08:11.02 | malik1972 | benlake: shutdown and try it with a card reader |
| 08:11.18 | benlake | to see if the card is good? |
| 08:11.28 | malik1972 | benlake: yes |
| 08:11.39 | benlake | let me see if I can find one, one sec |
| 08:12.02 | malik1972 | benlake: what kind of sd you have, the stock one? |
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| 08:18.47 | benlake | malik1972: yes |
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| 08:22.44 | lothar | Hi, |
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| 08:23.00 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 08:23.52 | lothar | has anybody got a working connection from a Bluetooth phone to syncronize the photos made ? |
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| 08:26.53 | SUNWjoejaxx | blasted netsplits :\ |
| 08:26.53 | benlake | malik1972: I have failed to acquire a reader |
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| 08:32.07 | petrus_der_6 | hello i have a problem with my neofreerunner and gps sight. he never get really connection, only once per minute |
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| 08:35.00 | ieatlint | petrus_der_6, wenn sie deutsch sind, #neo1973-germany |
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| 08:35.46 | petrus_der_6 | ok danke.. mein englisch ist so grottenschlecht ;) |
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| 08:36.24 | ieatlint | ja, und mein deutsch ist doch schlecht... |
| 08:37.11 | ieatlint | also, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 08:38.03 | petrus_der_6 | i have the daly built image |
| 08:38.13 | ieatlint | and the daily kernel? |
| 08:38.14 | cga | i like the word grottenschlecht , what does that mean? |
| 08:38.29 | ieatlint | very bad :P |
| 08:38.48 | petrus_der_6 | it means very bad |
| 08:38.57 | cga | thanks |
| 08:39.13 | ieatlint | although it's colloquial |
| 08:39.24 | ieatlint | schlecht is bad, grotten.. i'm not too sure about :P |
| 08:39.47 | petrus_der_6 | very very very bad... |
| 08:40.12 | ieatlint | ich kann dich verstehen, so schlecht... aber nicht schreklich |
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| 08:40.22 | cga | finally i know what to say to germans.... mein deutsch ist grottenschlecht! |
| 08:40.46 | cga | the other thing i can say is "ich bin ein berliner" :P |
| 08:41.01 | petrus_der_6 | :) |
| 08:41.06 | ieatlint | ... i'm a jelly donut |
| 08:41.08 | ieatlint | classic |
| 08:41.52 | petrus_der_6 | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/ |
| 08:42.29 | petrus_der_6 | openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 08:42.32 | malik1972 | benlake_ pong |
| 08:42.47 | ieatlint | okay, you're using 2007.2 then |
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| 08:43.00 | ieatlint | are you on ssh? |
| 08:43.04 | petrus_der_6 | yes |
| 08:43.09 | dns53 | anyone tried the debian install? |
| 08:43.13 | petrus_der_6 | no |
| 08:43.32 | ieatlint | which gps app are you using? |
| 08:43.38 | petrus_der_6 | gps sight |
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| 08:43.47 | ieatlint | and it's not getting a lock? |
| 08:43.54 | ieatlint | that is, it cannot find where you are |
| 08:44.20 | trupheenix | ieatlint: any idea why my freerunner powers off after the initial openmoko uboot screen? |
| 08:44.30 | ieatlint | trupheenix, it hates you |
| 08:44.39 | dns53 | your battery is flat? |
| 08:44.42 | ieatlint | or perhaps the battery is dead |
| 08:44.42 | tedo | trupheenix: empty battery? |
| 08:44.53 | ieatlint | i think it just hates you |
| 08:45.17 | trupheenix | tedo: yea possibly battery is flat |
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| 08:45.34 | trupheenix | dns53: yea possibly battery is dead |
| 08:45.44 | trupheenix | dns53 how long before it can boot up? |
| 08:45.47 | petrus_der_6 | " cat /dev/ttySAC1 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/82374/ |
| 08:46.22 | ieatlint | ok, you're getting a lock, and you just told us all where you are |
| 08:46.22 | trupheenix | tedo actually it's connected to the USB port on my machine and still it refuses to boot |
| 08:46.36 | tedo | trupheenix: thats normal, see the wiki |
| 08:47.03 | dns53 | well you can only use external power after the kernel has loaded, take out your sim and sd card boot it and hope that you can get it far enough to boot and start charging the battery |
| 08:47.09 | tedo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_%28GTA02%29_Battery |
| 08:47.11 | trupheenix | tedo: i did a NOR boot and it started |
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| 08:47.22 | petrus_der_6 | i'm in a small village with 63 people ;) |
| 08:48.00 | dns53 | you need a nokia battery, power the neo, swap the battery after it is running off usb power (the red led is on) |
| 08:48.07 | trupheenix | petrus_der_6: just 63 ppl?! woah kewl. i'm in a city with 30 million ppl lol |
| 08:48.23 | ieatlint | where's that, mexico city? |
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| 08:48.57 | trupheenix | ieatlint: Mumbai, India |
| 08:49.16 | petrus_der_6 | latitude, ° nan N |
| 08:49.28 | petrus_der_6 | longitude,° nan E |
| 08:49.39 | petrus_der_6 | Satellites 0 |
| 08:49.58 | tedo | petrus_der_6: you are outside? |
| 08:50.12 | petrus_der_6 | no |
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| 08:51.07 | petrus_der_6 | altitude works also speed |
| 08:51.39 | tedo | petrus_der_6: alt cannot work if you don't have a fix |
| 08:51.47 | tedo | heading probably |
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| 08:52.36 | Zorkman | tedo: i have the same problem as petrus_der_6 |
| 08:52.46 | Zorkman | seems a bug in gpssight |
| 08:53.20 | tedo | Zorkman: ok, then no gps problem |
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| 08:57.36 | petrus_der_6 | is there anywhere a track from gpssight? |
| 08:58.42 | Zorkman | petrus_der_6: if you trie openmoko-agpsui or tangoGPS you will probably see that your gps is working fine, you can also listen to the NMEA data from the gps directly btw |
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| 08:58.59 | Zorkman | g2g now |
| 09:00.50 | petrus_der_6 | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/82376/ |
| 09:01.57 | TankC | So.. the wiki has about 4 pages describing how to build openmoko software and I can't necessarily tell which one is most relevent |
| 09:02.25 | TankC | I'm assuming using the mokomakefile is generally the preferred way to set up a build environment |
| 09:02.59 | SUNWjoejaxx | the wiki really needs a clean up |
| 09:03.13 | TankC | It's incredibly confusing |
| 09:03.18 | SUNWjoejaxx | information while useful is everywhere on it |
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| 09:04.46 | TankC | So, let's assume that I want to make my own rootfs from the latest git repos and then develop software for that environment |
| 09:05.09 | Arcnet | hi |
| 09:05.21 | TankC | hey Arcnet |
| 09:06.04 | petrus_der_6 | in agpsui ist works perfect |
| 09:06.12 | Guilt | hm. here's a problem. the ringer doesn't work |
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| 09:08.07 | Guilt | the tone. |
| 09:08.10 | Guilt | what's wrong? |
| 09:08.24 | aristos_achaion | Hey, has anyone here successfully installed Debian on the Freerunner using the official script? My install keeps hanging in the FSO stage with "E: Couldn't find package zhone-session". |
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| 09:13.46 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.29 | kd8ikt | 450MB free space should suffice for extra bs |
| 09:14.40 | kd8ikt | better then my previous 80MB |
| 09:14.44 | dbmoodb__ | aristos_achaion: ah ... no clue but the pin entry isn't working atm |
| 09:15.26 | dbmoodb__ | kd8ikt: its nice but ... just get the right sound working -- kd8ikt if you get it working with a micr / input record the files -- aristos_achaion see the wiki on how to do it manually / follow the script manually |
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| 09:18.27 | kd8ikt | yes cause i plan on sooner or later setting up a client that allows one to record a 10-15 sec recording then send it to a server that transcodes it and plays it via icecast (while the client also is connected constantly/plays it back |
| 09:18.54 | kd8ikt | so we can have a voip radio type repeater |
| 09:19.04 | kd8ikt | lol ham radio for life |
| 09:19.26 | kd8ikt | only this will be unlicensed and fcc regulation free so you can cuss like a sailor |
| 09:19.33 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 09:20.37 | kd8ikt | shouldnt be too tough to script up |
| 09:21.21 | petrus_der_6 | tangogps says no gps found |
| 09:21.37 | kd8ikt | and yes i'm still cleaning my room |
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| 09:29.43 | hipitihop | hiho all. Has anyone managed to get recent buildhost stack to make outgoing calls ? |
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| 09:33.23 | dns53 | qtopia makes the best and most stable phone stack |
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| 09:35.53 | hipitihop | dns53, I'd have to agree it is probably the one that appears to work best out of the box but that's not the point ;-) |
| 09:38.24 | TankC | Argh! I hate flashing rootfs images to NAND |
| 09:38.30 | TankC | takes forever |
| 09:38.55 | hipitihop | all the stacks at the moment seem to have strengths and weaknesses, but currently looking at the buildserver stack and wonder if there is some trick to get gsm to work for outgoing calls |
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| 09:39.01 | sevenhundred | hullo |
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| 09:39.46 | hipitihop | TankC, is booting/updating SD any better ? |
| 09:39.58 | sevenhundred | so, I just got three empty texts from a "Telenor@@@@e'," |
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| 09:40.15 | TankC1 | hipitihop: I don't know if it's worth the effort of opening the back end up every time |
| 09:40.32 | sevenhundred | Telenor being my gsm provider |
| 09:41.26 | sevenhundred | is it my freerunner's fault or theirs, you think? |
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| 09:43.14 | hipitihop | TankC1, if that is an issue you can update the SD across the USB connection but that's probably not quicker then flashing |
| 09:44.09 | TankC1 | hipitihop: yeah, I'm wondering if it's a result of the USB 1.1 cap or something else |
| 09:44.53 | hipitihop | TankC1, TankC who is who or are you the same ? |
| 09:45.19 | TankC1 | I was disconnected, sorry |
| 09:45.25 | TankC1 | hold on a second |
| 09:46.21 | hipitihop | So has anyone got a useful application using accelerometers yet ? |
| 09:46.39 | dns53 | yes it does the screen rotate |
| 09:46.54 | hipitihop | dns53, link ? |
| 09:46.55 | CVirus | i find this feature really super cool |
| 09:46.56 | dns53 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures |
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| 09:47.04 | CVirus | the fact that you can hold the device the way you want |
| 09:47.16 | CVirus | upside down :-D |
| 09:47.23 | dns53 | yeah |
| 09:47.46 | dns53 | i want someone to write a pedometer now it can detect up/down gestures |
| 09:48.12 | hipitihop | dns53, excellent, your contribution ? |
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| 09:48.21 | TankC | I think the accelerometer dbus api has been exposed in FSO milestone II, right? |
| 09:48.32 | dns53 | perhaps, i need to get something to build yet |
| 09:48.40 | TankC | and apparently it's useable |
| 09:49.04 | CVirus | TankC: where the gestures implemented using it or not ? |
| 09:49.19 | hipitihop | dns53, will this run on my buildhost based stack from 080813 ? |
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| 09:49.28 | CVirus | were* |
| 09:49.48 | dns53 | give it a try it suggests it should work on any stack |
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| 09:51.29 | Dave | :) |
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| 09:55.08 | TankC | CVirus: I'm not sure |
| 09:56.52 | TankC | Yeah... FSO Milestone II is nice |
| 09:57.56 | ronny | usable as phone? |
| 09:58.13 | TankC | more usable than 2008.0 imo |
| 09:58.16 | TankC | err |
| 09:58.20 | TankC | 2008.8* |
| 09:58.41 | ronny | can it do pim-sync? |
| 09:58.43 | dns53 | 2008.8 is great once you ssh to the box and install the apps you need |
| 09:58.58 | ronny | all i need is calling people and pim-sync |
| 09:59.08 | TankC | ronny: no, I think that's planned for Milestone III |
| 09:59.19 | ronny | hmmk |
| 09:59.46 | ronny | time to install |
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| 10:00.13 | ronny | hmm, pim-sync is important for everyone like me killing the data on the phone on regular basis via re-flash |
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| 10:01.09 | stefan_schmidt | TankC: No pim-sync planed for MS3 |
| 10:01.18 | stefan_schmidt | http://trac.freesmartphone.org/roadmap |
| 10:01.32 | stefan_schmidt | For now we stay with contacts and SMS on the SIM card |
| 10:02.15 | stefan_schmidt | MS4 starts gsoc integration which could deliver some pim stuff. Not sure how far it got |
| 10:02.37 | TankC | Ahh, ok. Thanks for clarifying |
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| 10:03.46 | stefan_schmidt | no problem |
| 10:05.48 | TankC | stefan_schmidt: what is the Htop icon supposed to do? On my freerunner I have to manually invoke Htop from the terminal, the desktop icon seems defective. |
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| 10:06.52 | stefan_schmidt | TankC: Same here. htop provides an .desktop file when installed so illume picked it up and shows it on the launcher. Still it need an xterm to actually work |
| 10:07.08 | Dave | hey ronny :P |
| 10:07.13 | stefan_schmidt | TankC: We use it like you from a ssh connection. |
| 10:07.34 | stefan_schmidt | TankC: Just nobody bothered to blacklist it for illume |
| 10:07.40 | TankC | Ah, i see |
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| 10:11.11 | ronny | stefan_schmidt: its on the sim card? any drawbacks other than lack of funky things like mail/birthdate/other insane metadata tihngs ? |
| 10:11.27 | ronny | hmm, i think its fine for me that way |
| 10:13.53 | stefan_schmidt | ronny: Contacts and SMS are on the SIM for now yes. No other drawbacks then the limited contact data fields. |
| 10:14.10 | ronny | GREAT |
| 10:14.14 | stefan_schmidt | ronny: For now it is the easiest way to have it after reflash and on different phones... |
| 10:14.47 | sevenhundred | would anyone recommend to install debian? |
| 10:15.27 | CVirus | Why is suspend/resume being implemented on ASU while it's in FSO to-do list ? |
| 10:15.34 | lindi- | sevenhundred: if you want to help in development |
| 10:15.34 | CVirus | roadmap rather |
| 10:16.09 | stefan_schmidt | CVirus: Because it needs some time until ASU is moving over to FSO and until then both need suspend/resume |
| 10:16.18 | hipitihop | dns53, can't seem to get gestures to work, at least on 080813 :-( |
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| 10:16.23 | dns53 | i'm installing debian now |
| 10:16.29 | CVirus | stefan_schmidt: I don't get it ... isn't this duplicate work ? |
| 10:17.03 | dns53 | hipitihop did you restart your device and start the init script from a terminal running on the device? |
| 10:17.44 | hipitihop | dns53, yes restarted but just ran the '/etc/init.d/gesl start' from ssh session to fr |
| 10:18.25 | stefan_schmidt | CVirus: It is |
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| 10:18.45 | dns53 | you need to do that from a terminal on the neo not ssh as it uses the current display to show stuff |
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| 10:18.52 | stefan_schmidt | CVirus: At least the userspace part. Kernel is not. |
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| 10:19.07 | CVirus | I see |
| 10:19.14 | hipitihop | dns53, do I need to fully train it before the screen orientation will work ? |
| 10:19.50 | dns53 | i trained it first so perhaps though i don't know |
| 10:19.50 | hipitihop | dns53, ah I see, I'll start it from a local fr terminal then and see |
| 10:21.14 | sevenhundred | lindi-, is it usable as a phone yet? |
| 10:22.40 | Dave | train? o.O |
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| 10:26.02 | Dave | bah |
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| 10:26.44 | lindi- | stefan_schmidt: i can make and receive calls |
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| 10:28.15 | pyknite | some poeple would be interested by a wardriving programm for the neo? |
| 10:28.34 | dns53 | i would be |
| 10:28.36 | CVirus | lindi-: which image ? |
| 10:28.47 | Dave | heh |
| 10:29.45 | lindi- | CVirus: image? |
| 10:29.52 | Dave | lul |
| 10:29.53 | CVirus | ASU ? |
| 10:29.53 | lindi- | CVirus: i installed debian |
| 10:29.54 | CVirus | FSO ? |
| 10:29.56 | CVirus | debian ? |
| 10:29.57 | CVirus | ah cool |
| 10:30.01 | CVirus | lindi-: suspend/resume ? |
| 10:30.26 | Dave | BBQ? |
| 10:30.38 | CVirus | stfu |
| 10:30.45 | CVirus | get back to your lab :-p |
| 10:30.55 | lindi- | CVirus: at least it can wake up and answer call when in suspend |
| 10:30.59 | Dave | :D |
| 10:31.02 | dns53 | debian takes ages to install |
| 10:31.10 | Dave | dns, quit complaining :P |
| 10:31.19 | Dave | That's my job! :D |
| 10:31.25 | dns53 | well i still have 15 minutes of package downloading to go |
| 10:31.26 | CVirus | lindi-: you got any white screens of death ? |
| 10:31.39 | lindi- | CVirus: huh? ;) |
| 10:31.59 | CVirus | lindi-: can it suspend/resume on an incoming call reliably all the time ? |
| 10:32.01 | Dave | maybe I'll try a netinstall on my freerunner :P |
| 10:32.04 | ronny | wtf? |
| 10:32.14 | hipitihop | dns53, starting from fr terminal also does not yet seem to have worked. sorry, dinner calls so back later to continue..damn I'm impatient to get screen orientation to work ;-) |
| 10:32.16 | ronny | fso does locking/unlocking by pressing a single key? |
| 10:32.22 | dns53 | Dave the ./ story is basically a net install |
| 10:32.31 | lindi- | CVirus: hard to say, i don't make much calls |
| 10:32.38 | CVirus | I see |
| 10:32.46 | lindi- | CVirus: is there some testsuite? |
| 10:32.47 | Dave | Quick, everyone call lindi! |
| 10:32.58 | Dave | :) |
| 10:33.03 | CVirus | hehe |
| 10:33.06 | ronny | hmm, but other than that it seems nice |
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| 10:33.33 | Dave | Ronny, pleased? or maybe I should rephrase that, no longer extremely disliking it? :P |
| 10:33.38 | dns53 | hipitihop well the trick is to start gesl manually from a terminal window on the freerunner with: /etc/init.d/gesl start |
| 10:33.40 | Dave | balrogkun^^ |
| 10:34.07 | Dave | oh eww, you guys ARE talking about that gestures crap |
| 10:34.20 | ronny | Dave: the extreme dislikes thing is gone, for more, i have to test |
| 10:34.28 | ronny | oO |
| 10:34.31 | Dave | :p |
| 10:34.33 | ronny | it says no dbus |
| 10:34.36 | ronny | -_- |
| 10:34.40 | Dave | haha |
| 10:34.42 | Dave | surprise! |
| 10:34.57 | confidential | so, I just woke up to my FR vibrating, and before I reaced it it stopped. In both the dialer and the messages there are nothing new. Is there some place I can check recent events or something? A log or similar...? Im running 2008.8 btw |
| 10:35.10 | Dave | Dns, you guys are better off trying to get a full-fledged Etch 'R Sketch program going. |
| 10:35.25 | Dave | Speaking of which I wonder what kind of progress Ainulindale has made on mood ;) |
| 10:35.33 | ronny | Dave: hu? |
| 10:35.44 | ronny | Dave: i tought this wholee thing was dbus based |
| 10:36.01 | Dave | So did I :P |
| 10:37.13 | ronny | i want to start writing vala/python apps for the phone as soon as i can use it |
| 10:37.14 | kd8ikt | dmesg & logread |
| 10:37.23 | Dave | \o/ |
| 10:37.32 | Dave | kd8, spackled your wall all nice and shit? :) |
| 10:37.50 | kd8ikt | had to fix a hole i punched in it |
| 10:37.58 | Dave | ROFL |
| 10:38.08 | Dave | Was that before or after you started to spackle it? :p |
| 10:38.11 | kd8ikt | just finished.. sort of my soldering station |
| 10:38.50 | kd8ikt | theres still stuff lying all around i need to defrag everything |
| 10:38.58 | Dave | heehee |
| 10:39.02 | Dave | defragment your room? :) |
| 10:39.08 | Dave | A constant process, no? |
| 10:39.18 | Dave | Maybe you should contemplate changing filesystems :P |
| 10:39.23 | Dave | or roomsystems :D |
| 10:39.30 | kd8ikt | i on my 3rd day cleaning my room |
| 10:39.37 | Dave | Man, that sounds like a Joerg joke to me :) |
| 10:39.45 | Dave | Good old german humor... |
| 10:39.48 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 10:40.15 | Arcnet | hm... does someone know how to create debug builds? (my linphone build still segfaults) Is ./configure --enable-debug [...normal options...] enough or do I need additional swichtes? |
| 10:40.24 | kd8ikt | i need to find a spool of wire to wire up my speaker system too |
| 10:41.00 | kd8ikt | the telephone wire spool that "fell off the back of a truck" i had ran out eons ago |
| 10:41.26 | kd8ikt | yeah i couldnt get linphone to compile either |
| 10:42.08 | Arcnet | it compiles :) |
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| 10:42.09 | Arcnet | it runs |
| 10:42.18 | Arcnet | but exit and preferences segfault :( |
| 10:42.34 | kd8ikt | hm |
| 10:43.08 | DocScrutinizer | :D linphone segfaulted on my machines the last 4 years or somesuch |
| 10:43.10 | Arcnet | it uses the libs in /usr/lib/ so you have to put the arm-linux libs there (but don't forget to backup ^^) |
| 10:43.19 | Arcnet | oO greaaaat |
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| 10:43.33 | DaveRunner | :D |
| 10:43.33 | Arcnet | that'd explain why it does not work |
| 10:43.40 | DocScrutinizer | never did a useful job, so I used twinkle in the end :D |
| 10:43.47 | DaveRunner | Joerg! |
| 10:43.53 | DaveRunner | hehe |
| 10:45.18 | DocScrutinizer | DaveRunner: probably for FR linphone is quite suitable, with the hyper-minimalistic UI and reduced function set ;-) |
| 10:45.48 | confidential | where are all the logs located? |
| 10:45.49 | Dave | Sounds awesome :P |
| 10:45.57 | Dave | all your logs are belong to us |
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| 10:46.04 | DocScrutinizer | ~logs |
| 10:46.04 | apt | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 10:46.24 | DaveRunner | :) |
| 10:46.33 | confidential | sorry, meant on 2008.8... |
| 10:46.37 | DocScrutinizer | or ~/.twinkle/twinkle.log |
| 10:46.44 | lpotter | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.00 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.05 | DaveRunner | hmmm for some reason it won't switch orientations :\ |
| 10:47.22 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.27 | lpotter | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.48 | DaveRunner | and qtopia :D |
| 10:48.13 | lpotter | nothing bad to say about that |
| 10:48.33 | Dave | except maybe your lack of progress :D |
| 10:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | don't forget *I* got my *own* logs - they contain *all* of your nasty statements ;-) |
| 10:48.44 | Dave | Nah, it's good, you're good. |
| 10:48.49 | confidential | ok, so where are the logs located on 2008.8? |
| 10:48.49 | Dave | Doc >:) |
| 10:48.50 | lpotter | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.08 | Dave | funny, coming from someone who's nick is Confidential :P |
| 10:49.12 | b0ef | trying to read sms from an updated 2007.2 fails; it just closes. I've also tried the command "sl" in the libgsm-tool shell, but that segfaults; no other way to read my sms? |
| 10:49.23 | lpotter | qtopia |
| 10:49.52 | DocScrutinizer | confidential: buffered in ram? |
| 10:51.53 | DaveRunner | any idea why swap orientation isn't doing anything for me anymore? |
| 10:52.51 | dns53 | it is buggy, restart it |
| 10:53.05 | DaveRunner | :( |
| 10:54.10 | DaveRunner | I guess I could try manually calling xrandr |
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| 10:54.17 | TankC | Anyone know where the backdrop pixmap is stored? The closest I've come across is /usr/share/pixmaps/xsplash-vga.ppm but the file isn't the same as the backdrop on the phone |
| 10:55.14 | DaveRunner | wiki wiki wiki |
| 10:55.22 | TankC | I already searched the wiki! |
| 10:55.27 | TankC | I can find nothing! |
| 10:55.30 | TankC | the wiki is a mess |
| 10:55.37 | TankC | :) |
| 10:55.42 | DaveRunner | :D |
| 10:56.11 | Tanuva | it's in the zhone.edj gui definition file |
| 10:56.20 | DaveRunner | gah |
| 10:56.21 | dns53 | wasn't it in the start guide? |
| 10:56.24 | Tanuva | (guessing you mean fso) |
| 10:56.32 | DaveRunner | oh |
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| 10:56.47 | DaveRunner | Tanuva -_- |
| 10:57.09 | TankC | Thanks Tanuva |
| 10:57.18 | Tanuva | DaveRunner: explain please |
| 10:57.36 | DaveRunner | guess austria's awake |
| 10:57.58 | DaveRunner | where's ecraven then :\ |
| 10:58.12 | dns53 | yes we are awake |
| 10:58.27 | DaveRunner | :o |
| 10:58.28 | b0ef | incoming sms on 2007.2 is supposed to be stored in the sim, right? |
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| 10:58.45 | DaveRunner | more of you there are! |
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| 10:59.56 | DaveRunner | heil |
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| 11:00.53 | DaveRunner | root root root |
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| 11:01.08 | bumbl | DaveRunner: that word is forbidden in some countries |
| 11:01.21 | DaveRunner | :D |
| 11:02.02 | Arcnet | I don't believe it is, it just has a very very very very very negative connotation ;) |
| 11:02.05 | DaveRunner | bumble :) |
| 11:02.10 | TankC | grr, I hate all of these nonstandard enlightenment formats |
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| 11:02.30 | Arcnet | Upgrading linphone on root from 2.1.1-om0 to 2.1.1-om0-dbg... gdb i'm coming! :-D |
| 11:02.32 | DaveRunner | same thing, arcnet :P |
| 11:02.44 | DaveRunner | haha |
| 11:02.48 | DaveRunner | :) |
| 11:02.52 | DaveRunner | woohoo |
| 11:03.58 | Zorkman | does linphone already work? |
| 11:04.06 | Arcnet | no |
| 11:04.06 | Dave | Zorkman! |
| 11:04.07 | Arcnet | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 11:04.07 | Arcnet | [Switching to Thread 1086551072 (LWP 1981)] |
| 11:04.07 | Arcnet | ms_snd_card_get_string_id (obj=0x0) at mssndcard.c:114 |
| 11:04.07 | Arcnet | 114mssndcard.c: No such file or directory. |
| 11:04.07 | Arcnet | in mssndcard.c |
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| 11:04.21 | Dave | haw haw |
| 11:04.22 | bumbl | Arcnet: afaik wiederbetätigung includes saying this word in public |
| 11:04.37 | Dave | :o |
| 11:04.43 | Arcnet | bumbl: Don't know that one |
| 11:04.44 | Dave | sounds bad :] |
| 11:04.52 | Arcnet | i guess it's speex |
| 11:04.58 | Arcnet | not linphone itself |
| 11:05.10 | Dave | TEAMSPEAK!?! |
| 11:05.25 | Dave | gets out his compiler |
| 11:05.28 | Arcnet | no, linphone uses speex as codec |
| 11:05.38 | Arcnet | ^^ |
| 11:05.48 | Arcnet | i think I understand, well, try that :-) |
| 11:05.58 | Dave | Yeah, except, TS actually works |
| 11:06.08 | Arcnet | nooo, its mediastreamer2 of linphone... well... ok... |
| 11:06.09 | Dave | unlike linphone which joerg reported to have never worked :P |
| 11:06.10 | Arcnet | ^^ |
| 11:06.14 | Dave | hehe |
| 11:06.25 | Arcnet | maybe I can get it to work?^^ |
| 11:06.29 | Dave | damnit |
| 11:06.37 | Dave | I wish the AUX had multicolor LED :\ |
| 11:07.00 | Dave | Instead I'll just have to flash the power led purple or something when I have a message :p |
| 11:07.22 | Arcnet | Did you write a tool for that? |
| 11:07.39 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: make that a ticket! |
| 11:08.25 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: "we want 3color on both buttons!" |
| 11:09.01 | dns53 | isn't it multi coloured? i thaught it was |
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| 11:09.20 | ieatlint | dns53, if black is a colour, it is |
| 11:09.21 | DocScrutinizer | aux: NO. power:2color |
| 11:09.22 | Zorkman | and a swiss armyknive under power button |
| 11:09.56 | Arcnet | RFID Scanner for those new passports :-D |
| 11:10.03 | Arcnet | Monitor mode (!) |
| 11:10.19 | Zorkman | yes we definatly need that one |
| 11:10.23 | Dave | DocScrutinizer :D |
| 11:10.27 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: probably the sourcing will have difficulty to find one. for 3color-LED that's quite different |
| 11:10.28 | Dave | That'd be nice! |
| 11:10.30 | ieatlint | the power button is "2 colour" but since when you turn both on, it gives a third colour... it'd kinda 3 colour |
| 11:10.36 | cga | i want a RFID cracker for stuff in stores XD |
| 11:10.49 | Dave | Zorkman :p |
| 11:11.05 | ieatlint | Arcnet, you can add one |
| 11:11.13 | Dave | ieatlint, I like it :) |
| 11:11.20 | ieatlint | cga, what is at a store to crack with rfid? |
| 11:11.31 | Dave | *shrugs* |
| 11:11.39 | Dave | stealing puppies, or pidgeons? |
| 11:11.41 | Zorkman | DocScrutinizer: have the buttons been tested in regards to wear? is there a MTTF (in function of button presses) |
| 11:11.42 | cga | ieatlint, ie: CDs in a "music store" |
| 11:11.48 | Dave | pigeons |
| 11:11.57 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: 3color means RGB, not orange/blue |
| 11:12.05 | Dave | Zorkman, haha |
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| 11:12.13 | Dave | right |
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| 11:12.19 | Arcnet | It's more interesting to scan the new german passports which uses RFID or such... but well... WiFi Monitor Mode would be great to check the WiFi of a site |
| 11:12.22 | Dave | Doc, you could have a very pretty device then :P |
| 11:12.22 | ieatlint | cga, those are dumb terminals, there's nothing to hack |
| 11:12.25 | Dave | it could colorshift :P |
| 11:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: for the switch sure there is. though I don't know |
| 11:12.45 | ieatlint | it's like hacking a barcode by printing one at home and bringing it to the store |
| 11:12.52 | Dave | haha |
| 11:12.55 | Dave | laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame |
| 11:13.13 | cga | ieatlint, well so make a device that can "unmagnetize" them |
| 11:13.23 | cga | just like they do at cashier |
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| 11:13.36 | cga | forgot my english and n00bn3Z |
| 11:13.36 | Dave | simple |
| 11:13.38 | Dave | magnet. |
| 11:13.40 | ieatlint | they aren't magnetised, and are magnet safe (unless you get like a fucking degausser) |
| 11:13.43 | Dave | or freerunner! |
| 11:13.52 | Dave | Actually, Joerg, you might be interested to know this. |
| 11:13.54 | ieatlint | oh, you mean the anti-theft device |
| 11:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | ?? |
| 11:14.02 | ieatlint | that's not rfid |
| 11:14.18 | cga | that i mean |
| 11:14.24 | cga | what is it? |
| 11:14.28 | Dave | I was staying in a hotel last month, and my hotel room key became demagnetized after sitting for a while in my pocket right next to the freerunner! |
| 11:14.29 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: ??? |
| 11:14.34 | spdr_ | no way to get Net::RawIP for perl on the Om2007 ? |
| 11:14.35 | Dave | So I suspect it was responsible for this. |
| 11:14.49 | Dave | Do you think it's likely? :P |
| 11:14.57 | ieatlint | that's just a piece of metal that's magnetised a certain way and they degauss it at the register or something, i dunno |
| 11:15.03 | ieatlint | it's not really electronic |
| 11:15.05 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: nope |
| 11:15.11 | cga | i see |
| 11:15.26 | Dave | rightright |
| 11:15.46 | Dave | well, pretty much anything can demagnetize a creditcard |
| 11:15.51 | Dave | so I don't see it being unlikely |
| 11:15.51 | DocScrutinizer | except for magnet in earpiece, possibly |
| 11:16.04 | Dave | and apparently the gsm modem in my freerunner can explode nearby electronic devices... |
| 11:16.14 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 11:16.21 | Dave | so it's open season on freerunner blame :D |
| 11:16.38 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: that's because of the crappy TI-firmware ;-D |
| 11:16.42 | cga | my freerunner ate my mouse! |
| 11:16.45 | Dave | OH, is it? |
| 11:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | *burps* |
| 11:17.01 | Dave | man, that's disappointing, TI has done some really great stuff in the past |
| 11:17.02 | Dave | haha |
| 11:17.02 | Dave | :D |
| 11:17.11 | cga | TI? |
| 11:17.22 | ieatlint | getting interference from the modem dave? |
| 11:17.28 | ieatlint | speakers getting pissed.. |
| 11:17.42 | Dave | Texas Instruments? |
| 11:17.44 | spdr_ | TI==Texas Instruments? |
| 11:17.46 | cga | k |
| 11:17.47 | cga | thanks |
| 11:17.50 | spdr_ | oh |
| 11:17.50 | Dave | YES |
| 11:17.56 | Dave | ieatlint, no |
| 11:18.02 | Dave | It's fucked up a monitor's crt |
| 11:18.09 | ieatlint | lol |
| 11:18.14 | ieatlint | that's impressive |
| 11:18.22 | Dave | It's all like snap crackle pop GREEN WAVEY LINES! |
| 11:18.26 | Dave | I'm like OH SNAPS |
| 11:18.38 | Zorkman | Dave: did you file a bug report? |
| 11:18.41 | ieatlint | everyone else is using lcds |
| 11:18.43 | Dave | and the whole time my freerunner was just unsuspectingly sitting next to it charging |
| 11:18.47 | Dave | ieatlint :P |
| 11:18.51 | Zorkman | i'm also using CRT's |
| 11:18.57 | Dave | ieatlint, so THAT's the bug :P |
| 11:18.59 | Dave | hahaha |
| 11:19.08 | Dave | zorkman, you're also using windows |
| 11:19.09 | ieatlint | no, put that down as the fix |
| 11:19.09 | Zorkman | but no sim card in the FR |
| 11:19.12 | Dave | maybe you should file two bug reports :P |
| 11:19.15 | Dave | ieatlint :P |
| 11:19.17 | Dave | haha |
| 11:19.30 | Dave | Zorkman, blah. |
| 11:19.39 | cga | thinks Dave is a flooder and should get kicked XD |
| 11:19.52 | Dave | Cga, I'm not the one flooding about my broken script though :P |
| 11:19.56 | cga | lol |
| 11:20.01 | spdr_ | demands net::rawip for his om. |
| 11:20.04 | cga | touche |
| 11:20.08 | Dave | :) |
| 11:20.13 | cga | =) |
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| 11:20.39 | Dave | Joerg is like, oh, gsm interference is common with electronic devices... |
| 11:20.49 | hipitihop | dns53,, I have run /etc/init.d/gesd-neo2 restart and it responds to gesture training in the gestures app. I trained all gestured. I the ran '/etc/init.d/gesl start' in neo's terminal..but still can't get screen orientation to flip automagically grrr |
| 11:20.53 | Dave | meanwhile my monitor is crash landing... ABORT ABORT... OMG EJECT!!11 |
| 11:21.07 | Dave | -_- |
| 11:21.41 | ronny | what feeds should i use for fso ? |
| 11:21.49 | dns53 | hipitihop well it works in the 2008.8 so maybe it only works there |
| 11:21.59 | ronny | the ones that came with milestone2 dont add any packages and seem to fail |
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| 11:22.32 | Dave | Ronny, still struggling with that? |
| 11:23.35 | ronny | kinda, i had to do other stuff just came back and tested |
| 11:24.41 | hipitihop | dns53, hmm, I though though the buildserver images like 080814 are only lsight variations of 2008.8 |
| 11:24.54 | hipitihop | lsight = slight |
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| 11:25.34 | sparkymat | hi.. has someone tried the official Debian port with FSO? USB networking doesn't seem to be enabled.. |
| 11:25.35 | dns53 | the qtopia-x11 are 2008.8 i think |
| 11:25.37 | sparkymat | any ideas anyone? |
| 11:26.00 | dns53 | sparkymat i'm in the process of building it now |
| 11:26.22 | Dave | wtf? |
| 11:26.24 | hipitihop | yes, that's what I have I think http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080813/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 11:26.34 | sparkymat | dns53 building from source? or installing it? |
| 11:26.35 | Dave | 2008.8 is ASU? |
| 11:26.55 | dns53 | sparkymat installing it, apt is working hard currently |
| 11:27.02 | Arcnet | what hipitihop has is not ASU... ASU is 2008.8 |
| 11:27.10 | sparkymat | dns53 ahh.. ok.. :-) takes a little while.. |
| 11:27.27 | Dave | SSU ... September Software Update? Soviet Software Update? |
| 11:27.31 | hipitihop | Arcnet, now I'm confused, what do I have then |
| 11:27.49 | sparkymat | not sure if this is what you are discussing abt, but ASU is 2008.8, but the daily builds are not built from the testing branch.. and hence look different from the 2008.8 release |
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| 11:28.26 | lindi- | sparkymat: look at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:28.37 | lindi- | sparkymat: and don't /part after asking a question please :) |
| 11:28.42 | Dave | :P |
| 11:28.53 | sparkymat | lindi- wont :) |
| 11:29.44 | Arcnet | hipitihop: You have the current daily build |
| 11:29.45 | sparkymat | lindi- found this only now (the irc channel) |
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| 11:30.23 | Dave | has started making his own daily builds :) |
| 11:30.51 | sparkymat | lindi- ahh.. the usb connection is there :-) .. wonder why it didnt work earlier.. |
| 11:31.09 | hipitihop | Arcnet, yip but my impression was this was a direct descendent of 2008.8 i.e. it is a qtopia,x11,etk combo |
| 11:31.42 | Arcnet | sparkymat: not sure if this is what you are discussing abt, but ASU is 2008.8, but the daily builds are not built from the testing branch.. and hence look different from the 2008.8 release <- I guess he is right |
| 11:32.23 | sparkymat | Arcnet: i had asked this on the support mailing list.. and that's how i found out |
| 11:32.31 | hipitihop | eitherway, anyone know if there is something addtional I need to do to get screen orientation to work on my daily build ? |
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| 11:32.47 | sparkymat | Arcnet: apparently it was supposed to be built from the testing branch.. |
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| 11:34.10 | Dave | ASU, GTK, BBQ, FSO, WTF, GTK, OMG, SHR |
| 11:34.44 | kgoetz | LOL (?) |
| 11:34.45 | Dave | Man, I should write my own article about that. :P |
| 11:34.52 | Dave | kgoetz: No, NoLol4U! |
| 11:35.02 | hipitihop | Dave, BBQ finished about 30 min ago, but was yum ;-) |
| 11:35.03 | kgoetz | :'( |
| 11:35.14 | DieMumiee | hehe |
| 11:35.16 | Dave | :DDD |
| 11:35.21 | Dave | Kgoetz >:) |
| 11:35.45 | kgoetz | Dave: "D |
| 11:36.34 | hipitihop | hankering to find an impressive app to show off on phone, was hoping gestures would work :-( |
| 11:36.35 | DieMumiee | that happens if you ship a device with a desktop linux |
| 11:36.37 | Dave | :D |
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| 11:39.50 | ronny | moin DieMumiee |
| 11:39.52 | ronny | sup? |
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| 11:40.43 | hipitihop | so what app that runs on a daily build would anyone recommend to show off |
| 11:40.57 | TankC | heh |
| 11:41.13 | TankC | I don't think the openmoko platform is quite at the showoff stage yet |
| 11:42.58 | hipitihop | TankC, while I'm realistic about the readiness or the lack there of of the platform for prime time, is there truly not one app we can show that is just neat ? |
| 11:43.36 | Tanuva | tangogps is |
| 11:44.08 | Zorkman | hipitihop: orrery? |
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| 11:44.29 | sparkymat | i agree.. tangogps is what i use to show it off :-) ..its a nice app |
| 11:44.30 | Zorkman | hipitihop: numptyphisics |
| 11:44.39 | hipitihop | Tanuva, will that run on the daily build and will it run with the SD card in ? I thought we still have issue with SD and GPS |
| 11:44.53 | Zorkman | SD and GPS fine on my FR |
| 11:45.28 | TankC | hipitihop: It's only on initial lock.. if it's even still an issue at all with 2008.8 |
| 11:45.39 | Tanuva | hipitihop: sd+gps is quite fine, but showing gps in a building is ... difficult :) |
| 11:46.24 | hipitihop | ok, I'll have a look at TangoGPS, I think I tried under 2008.8 and it was unusable doe to some scrolling problem. |
| 11:46.37 | hipitihop | maybe it's better on the daily build now |
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| 11:47.15 | kd8ikt | who are you showing it off to? |
| 11:47.15 | Dave | Zorkman :P |
| 11:47.30 | Dave | zorkman, >:| |
| 11:47.37 | Dave | we need 2 player games for the freerunner! |
| 11:47.44 | Dave | competitive OR cooperative! |
| 11:47.47 | Zorkman | hell yes! |
| 11:47.50 | kd8ikt | more like net games |
| 11:47.58 | Tanuva | using the neo as lightsaber (accelerometers!) |
| 11:48.10 | Dave | kd8ikt YES |
| 11:48.13 | Dave | :)) |
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| 11:48.17 | Zorkman | or real life uber geekiness rpg games |
| 11:48.18 | Dave | Tanuva, NO |
| 11:48.25 | Dave | That's reserved for iphone douches |
| 11:48.26 | hipitihop | Dave, now we're talkin ! |
| 11:48.29 | Dave | :D |
| 11:48.31 | Tanuva | Dave: ah, sure :D |
| 11:48.34 | Dave | hell yeah |
| 11:48.38 | Dave | hmm, let's see |
| 11:48.44 | Dave | D&D, anybody? |
| 11:48.44 | kd8ikt | someone code up a labryth game |
| 11:48.49 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: they don't have to be netgames, could also be with using bt |
| 11:48.51 | Dave | kd8ikt, working on it |
| 11:48.59 | dns53 | we need a nethack port please |
| 11:49.00 | Zorkman | would like D&D |
| 11:49.04 | Dave | :D |
| 11:49.09 | Tanuva | Dave: d&d would be nice, I'll build a dice-simulator xD |
| 11:49.10 | Dave | dns53, it's there, go play. |
| 11:49.12 | lindi- | apt-get install nethack? |
| 11:49.16 | Dave | tanuva :p |
| 11:49.17 | kd8ikt | the mana world |
| 11:49.19 | dns53 | it is? |
| 11:49.23 | Zorkman | it is? |
| 11:49.36 | Dave | Zorkman, please don't get distracted :) |
| 11:50.23 | Zorkman | dave; seriously is nethack available on FR? |
| 11:50.32 | DaveRunner | Yes, praise be to the Dave :] |
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| 11:50.47 | Zorkman | just an opkg away or more stuff to do? |
| 11:50.51 | DaveRunner | Zorkman: been there, done that |
| 11:51.00 | DaveRunner | just ask speedevil |
| 11:51.07 | DaveRunner | uggh |
| 11:51.24 | DaveRunner | foorget I said that -_- |
| 11:51.27 | Zorkman | never played nethack but would like to do it on the FR for the first time :) |
| 11:51.42 | DaveRunner | it's unenjoyable |
| 11:51.59 | DaveRunner | like this is now |
| 11:52.09 | DaveRunner | :P |
| 11:52.50 | TankC | I'd rather play a mud than nethack personally |
| 11:53.00 | kd8ikt | bzflag |
| 11:53.17 | Tanuva | what about ultima online? *looking for cover* |
| 11:53.21 | Dave | hell yeah |
| 11:53.25 | Dave | high-fives TankC |
| 11:53.33 | Dave | Tanuva, with the Glamo? |
| 11:53.34 | Dave | hahaha |
| 11:53.40 | Tanuva | Dave: hm. damn. |
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| 11:53.54 | Zorkman | mud? |
| 11:53.57 | Tanuva | in the end it's just a phone :D |
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| 11:54.07 | TankC | heh |
| 11:54.53 | TankC | I've invested so much time in Cyber Assault (one of the best muds ever) |
| 11:56.01 | DaveRunner | nice |
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| 11:58.30 | DaveRunner | so then what are we all doing sitting around here? |
| 11:58.54 | Tanuva | fiddling with neodebian :) |
| 11:59.36 | DaveRunner | haha |
| 11:59.54 | Dave | Man, typing on that tiny keyboard is really killing my wrists |
| 12:00.04 | spdr_ | is there no way to send arp packets on the Om ?? |
| 12:00.07 | Dave | Raster, SAVE ME |
| 12:00.43 | Tanuva | Dave: hah, thats it. I need irssi on the neo! |
| 12:00.45 | dbmoodb | Dave: your wrists ? |
| 12:00.55 | TankC | Hahaha |
| 12:00.57 | bumbl | DaveRunner: compiling kde-svn on my laptop and playing around with the freerunner while reading a book |
| 12:01.03 | TankC | terrible idea! |
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| 12:03.02 | hipitihop | hmm.. loaded TangoGPS and it says "no GPS found" |
| 12:03.26 | dbmoodb | start the gpsd service ..? |
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| 12:04.04 | Dave | dbmoodb: irc'ing from the freerunner? |
| 12:04.07 | DieMumiee | ronny: ordered a frogpad yesterday |
| 12:04.09 | Dave | with the matchbox keyboard? |
| 12:04.13 | DieMumiee | in the us and a.. |
| 12:04.15 | Dave | That's what I was just doing :P |
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| 12:04.23 | DieMumiee | there is no distributor in germany :( |
| 12:04.26 | Dave | It's the Daverunner, baby! |
| 12:04.40 | Dave | DieMumiee: I find that difficult to believe, though disappointing. |
| 12:04.47 | Dave | So many Germans here ~_~ |
| 12:04.53 | Dave | Die Deutschen! |
| 12:04.56 | DieMumiee | amazon had it once.. |
| 12:04.58 | dns53 | how do i get ssh to ignore a when the host key changes? |
| 12:04.59 | Dave | heh |
| 12:05.07 | Dave | dns, it's on the wiki |
| 12:05.14 | dbmoodb | who me ? |
| 12:05.36 | dbmoodb | dns53: don't that's a security feature |
| 12:05.43 | Dave | hah |
| 12:05.46 | hipitihop | dbmoodb, started GPS from Exposure but no joy, must I do something from terminal ? |
| 12:05.47 | Dave | it's an annoyance feature |
| 12:05.54 | dbmoodb | hipitihop: i have no idea |
| 12:05.55 | lindi- | Dave: without it ssh is easy to hijack |
| 12:06.02 | dbmoodb | Dave: its for security tho... and you know it |
| 12:06.06 | Dave | and just who's going to hijack it |
| 12:06.08 | Dave | your girlfriend? :P |
| 12:06.09 | dbmoodb | lets all use rdesktop then |
| 12:06.16 | lindi- | Dave: switch to telnet :) |
| 12:06.17 | dbmoodb | or telnet |
| 12:06.21 | Dave | :D |
| 12:06.28 | lindi- | Dave: consumes less energy |
| 12:06.39 | Dave | lindi, I'm not saying remove it, at least add or establish keys then |
| 12:06.45 | Dave | so you don't need to sit here bitching about it :) |
| 12:06.48 | dbmoodb | Dave: i think when i get a girlfriend soon (hopes) she wouldn't care like i don't care |
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| 12:07.00 | dbmoodb | Dave: "it should just work" |
| 12:07.03 | Dave | dbmoodb: she'd probably make you get rid of your freerunner! |
| 12:07.04 | Dave | hahaha |
| 12:07.07 | Dave | what then? :P |
| 12:07.21 | rwhitby | you can turn it off for the specific IP address you use on your secure lan for the neo. then there is no security issue. |
| 12:07.32 | dns53 | i have debian installed, is it suppose to have X? |
| 12:08.16 | dbmoodb | Dave: its not being used as my phone atm. dns53 well where did you do it from / install it / method ? -- the script ? |
| 12:08.18 | Dave | right |
| 12:08.29 | Dave | dns :D |
| 12:08.39 | Dave | rwhitby, indeedy weedy! |
| 12:08.39 | Wonka | dns53: from the wiki pages, i gather one needs to install x manually |
| 12:08.42 | dbmoodb | dns53: did you install xorg / xserver-xorg ? |
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| 12:08.55 | Dave | wants to install flux on his freerunner |
| 12:08.58 | Dave | fluxrunner! |
| 12:09.11 | DieMumiee | are there sdio gsm or gprs cards available? |
| 12:09.20 | Dave | gprs cards? o_O |
| 12:09.24 | ronny | DieMumiee: frogpad ? |
| 12:09.40 | dns53 | i havn't installed anything yet, i think it installed x during install but i don't know yet |
| 12:09.42 | DieMumiee | ronny: some nearly ubiquious keyboard |
| 12:09.51 | SpeedEvil | GPRS - I think not. |
| 12:09.52 | Wonka | they'd need to be quite thick because of the SIM reader... |
| 12:10.04 | SpeedEvil | wifi, yes |
| 12:10.16 | Wonka | AR6k, for example ;) |
| 12:10.28 | SpeedEvil | There is no especial reason why you couldn't do GPRS - SDIO-serial |
| 12:10.30 | ronny | DieMumiee: looks weird |
| 12:10.32 | Dave | Speedevil! |
| 12:10.35 | SpeedEvil | GPS is basically just SDIO-serial |
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| 12:11.07 | SpeedEvil | So all a GPRS modem would be would be a bit larger. |
| 12:11.41 | DieMumiee | just because of the openpandora |
| 12:12.02 | DieMumiee | thouht might be a good platform for a phone |
| 12:13.22 | Dave | damn |
| 12:13.27 | Dave | My phone needs more zork! |
| 12:13.38 | Dave | Oh, and also speedevil, DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM |
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| 12:13.59 | Dave | Someone should port DOOM already or hmm, I wonder if Dosbox can run it on the phone without taking a dump |
| 12:14.23 | mjr | I really really doubt that |
| 12:14.36 | Dave | What, the part about Dosbox? |
| 12:14.39 | dbmoodb | ah what's the best way to make a backup copy of my debian lenny installation on the phone -- i have the sdcard in a usb reader -- do i just tar or ?... |
| 12:14.51 | mjr | yes, that |
| 12:14.57 | Dave | Yeah |
| 12:15.24 | Dave | mjr, know of a better way to run it on the phone? ;) |
| 12:15.25 | lindi- | dbmoodb: rsync --delete --numeric-ids -axv / 10.168.0.200:/home/lindi/openmoko/2008-08-16 |
| 12:15.50 | dbmoodb | lindi-: eh ?... rsync |
| 12:16.03 | dbmoodb | i have it plugged in on a usb why do i need to use rsync ? |
| 12:16.11 | lindi- | dbmoodb: yes, i don't want to transfer 512M every day |
| 12:16.12 | dbmoodb | :) |
| 12:16.54 | dbmoodb | lindi-: you have a point but that will compress and back it up ? |
| 12:17.10 | zash | cp -lr $BACKUPDIR/`date +%blarg yesterday` $BACKUPDIR/`date +blarg today` |
| 12:17.12 | dbmoodb | doesn't remember the rsync options --- like it will preserve everything including links right ? |
| 12:17.13 | zash | then rsync |
| 12:17.27 | zash | i think |
| 12:17.29 | lindi- | dbmoodb: compress? |
| 12:17.31 | zash | with some options |
| 12:17.39 | lindi- | zash: exactly |
| 12:17.46 | dbmoodb | lindi-: ok so just rsync it ... -av should be fine no ? |
| 12:17.50 | lindi- | dbmoodb: you want -x |
| 12:17.56 | dbmoodb | -x for ? |
| 12:17.57 | lindi- | dbmoodb: when you run it from phone |
| 12:18.07 | dbmoodb | ah ? |
| 12:18.09 | lindi- | dbmoodb: so that it doens't backup your /proc or /sys or who knows what |
| 12:18.48 | dbmoodb | ok so your options should be fine ? |
| 12:18.58 | dbmoodb | -x exludes /proc and devices ah ? |
| 12:19.12 | SpeedEvil | -x is stay in one filesystem |
| 12:19.31 | lindi- | maybe i'll write these down |
| 12:20.00 | lindi- | zash: do you know if there some frontend for handling daily backups like that? |
| 12:20.05 | zash | if you do recursive hardlinking of previous backup, you need some --delete-before -option or something |
| 12:20.09 | lindi- | zash: i have always written my own script to do "cp -al" and then rsync |
| 12:20.10 | dbmoodb | SpeedEvil: so... how does that not grab /dev -- those are devices .. being represented by files or ? |
| 12:20.21 | SpeedEvil | they are not files |
| 12:20.28 | zash | device-files |
| 12:20.28 | SpeedEvil | they are special files |
| 12:20.29 | lindi- | zash: but i'd like to recommend something that is packaged already instead of offering my own script |
| 12:20.32 | zash | everything is a file! |
| 12:20.43 | SpeedEvil | ls -l /dev/zero |
| 12:20.47 | dbmoodb | zash: yeah that's what i thought rofl |
| 12:20.56 | Dave | Qtopia - Fail |
| 12:21.17 | TankC | Hmm |
| 12:21.20 | dbmoodb | Dave: qtopia is fine .... nothing wrong with it |
| 12:21.37 | TankC | How do I press numbers during a call to activate touchtone features? |
| 12:21.38 | dbmoodb | so just rsync with those options -- will do |
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| 12:21.59 | Tanuva | TankC: I don't think this works yet |
| 12:22.01 | zash | is unison ported? |
| 12:22.19 | dbmoodb | zash: we have rsync... |
| 12:22.21 | Dave | I guess I just expected more in this recent update |
| 12:22.21 | Dave | :| |
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| 12:22.25 | Dave | Which there was nothing |
| 12:22.29 | Rorschach | hi |
| 12:22.38 | zash | dbmoodb: rsync is one-way, unison is two-way |
| 12:22.57 | Rorschach | got someone suspend working on the debian-rls? |
| 12:23.04 | zash | dbmoodb: eg, if you delete something two-way rsync will restore it, unison will delete it |
| 12:23.40 | zash | dbmoodb: for keeping some files in sync on two+ machines unison is better |
| 12:23.55 | dbmoodb | zash: rsync then rsync back |
| 12:24.03 | zash | dbmoodb: i did that |
| 12:24.09 | dbmoodb | ... rsync --delete ? |
| 12:24.17 | zash | dbmoodb: that would delete new files |
| 12:24.50 | dbmoodb | btw what does the --numeric-ids do exactly ? |
| 12:24.54 | lindi- | Rorschach: i am reporting bugs, debugging fbdev and testing instructions |
| 12:25.04 | zash | dbmoodb: for user-id and group-id i guess |
| 12:25.19 | dbmoodb | oh i see |
| 12:25.58 | dbmoodb | wait don't i want it to be by user name and not by gid / uid in case that changes ? |
| 12:26.02 | sparkymat | brb |
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| 12:26.46 | Rorschach | lindi-: how do you suspend at all? the suspend command does nothing for me |
| 12:28.50 | lindi- | Rorschach: suspend command? |
| 12:28.53 | Tanuva | Rorschach: isn't there this s2disk/s2ram thingy? |
| 12:28.55 | lindi- | Rorschach: "apm -s" works here |
| 12:29.08 | Tanuva | just tries that, too |
| 12:29.33 | dbmoodb | lindi-: on debian or ? .... is this qtopia -- if debian then how does one get the battery info... |
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| 12:29.48 | ronny | ok, now im officialy position-tracked |
| 12:30.01 | Deubeuliou | on 2007.2, some packages can't succeed being upgraded (with opkg upgrade): download fails. It seems to be because the update doesn't work. Signatures check fails. |
| 12:30.04 | lindi- | dbmoodb: on debian |
| 12:30.14 | lindi- | dbmoodb: zhone shows battery status |
| 12:30.17 | Deubeuliou | how can I fix it ? |
| 12:30.37 | Deubeuliou | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz |
| 12:30.37 | Deubeuliou | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig |
| 12:30.37 | Deubeuliou | Signature check failed |
| 12:30.42 | Rorschach | s2ram doesn't exists, tried suspend which normally works on ubuntu |
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| 12:30.46 | Tanuva | that's not an error Deubeuliou |
| 12:30.50 | Tanuva | (not a relevant one) |
| 12:30.57 | dbmoodb | lindi-: the perms got screwed up using your options ... my user X has files now owned by blah (my current user name) |
| 12:31.13 | lindi- | dbmoodb: that is ok |
| 12:31.23 | Deubeuliou | ok, but I can't install tangogps, for instance, although it is on the "opkg list" list |
| 12:31.25 | lindi- | dbmoodb: or hmm? |
| 12:31.33 | lindi- | dbmoodb: do the user ids match? |
| 12:31.34 | Tanuva | lindi-: which package do I need for the apm binary? |
| 12:31.42 | dbmoodb | ah yeah they should first user -- first user |
| 12:31.50 | lindi- | Tanuva: packages.debian.org? |
| 12:31.52 | Deubeuliou | Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz, error 0 <-- I got that |
| 12:31.53 | Tanuva | Deubeuliou: sure it really fails? could you paste the output somewhere? |
| 12:31.56 | lindi- | Tanuva: second form, enter bin/apm |
| 12:32.01 | Tanuva | lindi-: argh, sure >.< |
| 12:32.02 | Deubeuliou | ok, wait a minute |
| 12:32.05 | dbmoodb | lindi-: i think i'm better of with user names / group names than numbers tho |
| 12:32.18 | lindi- | dbmoodb: you don't want to do that when backuping |
| 12:32.26 | dbmoodb | lindi-: where does one cat .. to get the exact battery amount tho ? |
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| 12:32.48 | lindi- | dbmoodb: "messagebus" user can have uid 102 on one system and uid 103 on other system |
| 12:32.56 | lindi- | dbmoodb: your /etc/passwd has that mapping |
| 12:33.01 | TankC | is done tinkering for the night |
| 12:33.09 | lindi- | dbmoodb: if you backup so that you change 102 to 103 you will not be able to restore |
| 12:33.39 | dbmoodb | ok |
| 12:33.51 | Deubeuliou | Tanuva, http://pastebin.com/m4b13f828 |
| 12:34.12 | lindi- | dbmoodb: 1) apt-get source zhone |
| 12:34.13 | Deubeuliou | the tangogps file is actually on the web |
| 12:34.18 | lindi- | dbmoodb: 2) grep -ri battery zhone* |
| 12:34.26 | Deubeuliou | <----- idiot |
| 12:34.26 | dbmoodb | rofl -- a bit extreme ? |
| 12:34.33 | lindi- | dbmoodb: 3) find batcharge = dbus_object.device_power_iface.GetEnergyPercentage() |
| 12:34.38 | Deubeuliou | forgot to reset the dns ... |
| 12:34.42 | Tanuva | Deubeuliou: *g* :) |
| 12:35.58 | TankC | does any distro have the capability to stream data over gprs? |
| 12:36.15 | TankC | and have it appear as an ethernet device or something? |
| 12:36.35 | lindi- | TankC: what do you mean? |
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| 12:36.40 | mjr | fso / debian with fso packages has gprs capability at the backend, activatable by a simple script |
| 12:36.48 | mjr | and it's a ppp device |
| 12:37.10 | TankC | that's nice |
| 12:37.20 | TankC | lindi-: to have internet access through gprs |
| 12:37.23 | lindi- | TankC: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO |
| 12:37.31 | dbmoodb | TankC: tcp / ip ? |
| 12:37.38 | SpeedEvil | Heinervdm: it's ppp |
| 12:37.41 | SpeedEvil | dbm: |
| 12:37.48 | Dave | MORE MUDS! |
| 12:37.52 | Dave | More phones! |
| 12:37.54 | Dave | More games! |
| 12:37.55 | Dave | More fun! |
| 12:38.01 | Dave | ^_^ |
| 12:38.33 | dbmoodb | lindi-:have you done any battery tests with debian as of yet tho ? |
| 12:38.41 | Rorschach | lindi-: apm -s seems to work without any problem for me, what bugs are you reporting about it? |
| 12:39.22 | Dave | hmm |
| 12:39.24 | TankC | that's very cool, thank you guys |
| 12:40.52 | dbmoodb | oh and is there a method of unlocking the sim via the terminal.. to avoid my fso debian pin entry problem ? |
| 12:41.22 | Dave | yes |
| 12:41.31 | Dave | well, there is a way to manually trigger the dialog, if that's what you'd like |
| 12:41.52 | Rorschach | dbmoodb: what is your problem? |
| 12:42.05 | dbmoodb | ah you don't have a pin on your sim card ? |
| 12:42.34 | Dave | Who? What? |
| 12:42.45 | dbmoodb | http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/90 |
| 12:42.48 | Tanuva | Rorschach: my debian just crashed on resume - xorg got back on, but neither touch-input nor ssh works... |
| 12:42.58 | Dave | :D |
| 12:43.02 | Dave | crashz0rz |
| 12:43.10 | Rorschach | Tanuva: not for me my debian doesn't crash |
| 12:43.14 | Tanuva | hm |
| 12:43.20 | Tanuva | I'll try again :D |
| 12:43.21 | Rorschach | dbmoodb: just apply the patch there, works for me |
| 12:43.23 | Dave | :P |
| 12:43.31 | dbmoodb | oh apply the patch.. missed it ... |
| 12:43.44 | Rorschach | Tanuva: how long did you suspend until the problem occured? |
| 12:44.20 | lindi- | dbmoodb: yes |
| 12:44.22 | dbmoodb | Rorschach: won't suspending kill the sdcard paritions on debiian .... -- that's what was occuring for me on 2007.2 |
| 12:44.35 | lindi- | dbmoodb: 1) cli-framework |
| 12:44.40 | Tanuva | Rorschach: a few minutes I think |
| 12:44.42 | lindi- | dbmoodb: 2) sim.SendAuthCode("..") |
| 12:44.53 | lindi- | dbmoodb: 3) sim.Register() |
| 12:44.54 | Dave | bah |
| 12:45.02 | lindi- | dbmoodb: 4) gsm.GetAuthStatus() |
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| 12:45.16 | Rorschach | Tanuva: I just a few seconds I'll try to suspend longer and see if problem will occur |
| 12:45.50 | Tanuva | dbmoodb: it doesn't, my debian still boots |
| 12:46.08 | Rorschach | how can I use the aux and power-button for applications? like pressing the power-button shall execute apm -s |
| 12:46.17 | Dave | Eh? |
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| 12:46.33 | dbmoodb | Tanuva: what sdcard do you have -- i'm using an 8gb scandisk one... |
| 12:46.41 | Dave | I thought 4.3.3 was the latest qtopia version... |
| 12:46.50 | lindi- | dbmoodb: you can get battery status with: |
| 12:46.58 | Rorschach | Dave: me too, why ? is 4.4 finally out? |
| 12:46.59 | lindi- | dbmoodb: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/bat org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.GetEnergyPercentage |
| 12:47.03 | Dave | No |
| 12:47.08 | Dave | But why do I only see 4.3.2? |
| 12:47.19 | Rorschach | ohh dunno |
| 12:47.28 | Tanuva | dbmoodb: 4gig sandisk |
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| 12:50.18 | Dave | eh? |
| 12:50.35 | Dave | Rorschach, do you have the latest version? |
| 12:50.46 | Rorschach | of what? |
| 12:50.57 | Dave | QTOPIA |
| 12:51.10 | Rorschach | latest I have is: qtopia-4.3.2-080808-rootfs-08081019.jffs2 |
| 12:51.40 | Dave | oh, yeah, nevermind -_- |
| 12:51.45 | Rorschach | so I guess that's the latest and no 4.3.3 is out |
| 12:52.07 | Rorschach | but the trolltech developer said on the ML that 4.4 will be released soon |
| 12:52.51 | dns53 | you got a link for 4.3.3? |
| 12:53.09 | Dave | I wish |
| 12:54.06 | Rorschach | Tanuva: also after 7min suspend the wakeup works for me |
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| 12:56.01 | Tanuva | Rorschach: hmm. I had a strange boot issue here, I'm going to try suspend again now |
| 12:56.36 | Dave | bah |
| 12:56.40 | Dave | Lpotter, come forth! |
| 12:57.23 | Dave | uggh, stupid splash-write |
| 12:58.16 | Rorschach | I need a bigger microsd card.. 500MB are too small for debian |
| 12:58.29 | Dave | yep |
| 12:58.35 | Dave | unless you cut it down |
| 12:58.36 | Tanuva | Rorschach: there were some i/o errors on mmcblk0 before, suspend/resume worked, but it doesn't let me in without root-password anymore (no pw set). |
| 12:58.48 | Tanuva | I'll reboot completely and try again |
| 12:58.52 | lindi- | 2G seems to be 7.90EUR |
| 12:58.53 | TankC | How does Qtopia compare to FSO as far as stability is concerned? |
| 12:58.55 | Rorschach | Tanuva: not for me |
| 12:59.16 | Rorschach | TankC: in qtopia no suspend/resume is working because of WSOD |
| 12:59.39 | TankC | So shorter battery life? |
| 12:59.54 | Rorschach | yes unusable battery life |
| 13:00.05 | Tanuva | hm. holding the power button: INIT: cannot execute /sbin/shutdown |
| 13:00.06 | reinhold | I left my freerunner turned off untouch for about two weeks and now I'm not able to turn it on any more. Does anyone have a similar problem? |
| 13:00.07 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rdd440a212e35 10/odeviced/src/plugins/accelerometer/ (accelerometer-helpers.c accelerometer.vala): Accelerometer: fix types and ignore EV_SYN correctly |
| 13:00.07 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rcd8ff3fc8f08 10/odeviced/ (13 files in 5 dirs): 1.) Refactor wifi plugin into a generic Powercontrol plugin TODO: add Bluetooth,GSM,GPS |
| 13:00.08 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r7b87e22f9589 10/odeviced/src/plugins/powercontrol/ (powercontrol.plugin powercontrol.vala): Add GSM, GPS and Bluetooth Powercontrol |
| 13:00.09 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r2e6564f3644d 10/opimd/ (13 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:openmoko-gsoc2008 |
| 13:00.54 | Rorschach | is compiling fluxbox on his freerunner |
| 13:01.20 | TankC | Hahaha |
| 13:01.25 | swc|666 | too heavy weight |
| 13:01.27 | sevenhundred | how can I see which hardware revision my fr is? The wiki page about it lied to me |
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| 13:02.16 | Rorschach | fluxbox == too heavy weight?? I don't think so! the question is if it's usable at all with his content-menu |
| 13:02.25 | Rorschach | s/content/context/ |
| 13:02.27 | sevenhundred | (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/finding_hardware_revision) |
| 13:02.47 | Dave | what!? |
| 13:02.56 | Dave | fuck yeah, fluxbox! |
| 13:03.11 | dbmoodb | its overated try blackbox |
| 13:03.14 | Dave | Rohrsohcsochs, oh yeah |
| 13:03.19 | Dave | overrated? |
| 13:03.19 | dbmoodb | ~blackbox |
| 13:03.20 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, blackbox is a very simple and light window manager: http://blackbox.alug.org |
| 13:03.21 | Dave | pssht |
| 13:04.04 | Rorschach | hehe apt is a funny but :) |
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| 13:04.42 | Tanuva | that website doesn't exist.... |
| 13:04.44 | Dave | bah, the qtopia site sucks |
| 13:04.49 | Rorschach | but fuck after installing build-essential and downloading the fluxbox-source I have just 40 MB left, so not enough space for Xorg :( I need a better microsd right now |
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| 13:05.06 | Dave | Roscsohsohcsohcs, go for it! |
| 13:05.51 | Rorschach | Dave: no car at the moment, so no chance to drive in the city and buy one, have to wait till monday |
| 13:06.03 | Dave | bah |
| 13:06.22 | swc|666 | Rorschach: do u.. i've tried it and dumped it for icewm |
| 13:06.26 | kd8ikt | hey check this out http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=opqrd1&s=4 <--sonar openmoko |
| 13:06.47 | Dave | woo? |
| 13:07.06 | Rorschach | swc|666: I'm using fluxbox for many years now on my desktop-system so I'll try how it feels on the neo |
| 13:07.25 | swc|666 | roger that |
| 13:07.39 | Dave | RD-BOMBS!? |
| 13:07.46 | Dave | Rorschach: excellent. |
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| 13:09.09 | lindi- | Rorschach: if you just want to test you can run fluxbox on your computer but have it manage windows on your neo |
| 13:09.10 | Tanuva | Rorschach: suspend/resume works, I can also type in xterm, but bash can't find any binaries anymore: "uname -> command not found". the ssh-root-pw-issue is there also |
| 13:09.51 | lindi- | Rorschach: are you building fluxbox on debian? |
| 13:09.57 | Dave | yeah, lindi is kinky like that |
| 13:10.00 | Dave | ;p |
| 13:10.11 | Dave | ieatlint: tentacool :P |
| 13:10.39 | Rorschach | lindi-: yes I'm trying to build it directly on my neo debian |
| 13:10.45 | Dave | \o/ |
| 13:10.54 | lindi- | Rorschach: why? |
| 13:11.06 | Rorschach | well, why not? |
| 13:11.10 | Dave | EXACTLY |
| 13:11.15 | kd8ikt | that will take awhile |
| 13:11.30 | Rorschach | it's a linux, so it should be able to compile the software it runs |
| 13:11.41 | lindi- | Rorschach: sure |
| 13:11.58 | lindi- | Rorschach: i hope you use apt-get --build source fluxbox :) |
| 13:12.00 | Rorschach | kd8ikt: doesn't matter I have time :) and I don't like this whole toolchain-cross-compiling thing |
| 13:12.16 | lindi- | Rorschach: with qemubuilder you don't need cross compilers |
| 13:12.24 | Rorschach | lindi-: no I have bad experience with the debian-patches to fluxbox so I'm compiling it by hand |
| 13:12.24 | dbmoodb | lindi-: that fix where does one apply it -- for the pin entry |
| 13:12.30 | lindi- | Rorschach: (that too is just apt-get install qemubuilder away :P) |
| 13:12.41 | kd8ikt | cmatrix |
| 13:12.47 | lindi- | Rorschach: apt-get source fluxbox; remove patches; apt-get --build source fluxbox? ;)) |
| 13:12.51 | kd8ikt | someone go compile that for openmoko |
| 13:12.59 | lindi- | dbmoodb: what do you mean where? |
| 13:13.17 | Rorschach | dbmoodb: look at the patch it's written there |
| 13:13.17 | dbmoodb | it has the old channel.py.old ... do i add the file ? /var/lib/py... channel contents or ? |
| 13:13.22 | lindi- | kd8ikt: debian already has it |
| 13:13.30 | kd8ikt | is using it too on debian |
| 13:13.32 | lindi- | dbmoodb: which bug report is this? |
| 13:13.35 | Dave | lindi |
| 13:13.39 | dbmoodb | Rorschach: i'm trying to follow http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/90 |
| 13:13.44 | Dave | qemu-cross-compiler-thing? |
| 13:13.46 | Dave | man |
| 13:13.52 | Dave | weird |
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| 13:13.58 | Dave | help me use the source! |
| 13:13.58 | dbmoodb | my channel file is empty... |
| 13:14.01 | lindi- | Dave: it's not cross compiling |
| 13:14.05 | Rorschach | dbmoodb: edit: /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py |
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| 13:14.12 | lindi- | Dave: it's native normal gcc but under qemu :) |
| 13:14.15 | dbmoodb | Rorschach: its empty |
| 13:14.32 | Dave | heh |
| 13:14.37 | Rorschach | dbmoodb: it surely isn't :) you just typed the wrong path or somthing like that |
| 13:14.37 | lindi- | Dave: ah that one |
| 13:14.40 | Dave | so it's effectively the same as compiling on the freerunner then |
| 13:14.43 | lindi- | dbmoodb: ah that one :) |
| 13:15.05 | lindi- | dbmoodb: bugs.debian.org has that too |
| 13:15.35 | lindi- | Dave: except that it checks build-dependencies |
| 13:15.58 | lindi- | Dave: since it always starts from scratch, you can't have any odd dependencies to your home directory or something |
| 13:16.24 | lindi- | Dave: => you get higher quality packages(tm) |
| 13:17.13 | dbmoodb | lindi-: empty there is another file.. channel.pyc |
| 13:17.19 | lindi- | dbmoodb: don't worry about that |
| 13:17.46 | dbmoodb | the phone is off if that changes anything... |
| 13:18.17 | Dave | lindi, cool - though how long does it take to build something? :| |
| 13:18.30 | Rorschach | dbmoodb: ??? |
| 13:18.38 | dbmoodb | usb sdcard reader... |
| 13:18.48 | Rorschach | ohh k |
| 13:18.52 | lindi- | dbmoodb: 7 minutes or so for tslib i think |
| 13:18.53 | Rorschach | I already thought.... ;) |
| 13:18.57 | lindi- | grr, i meant Dave |
| 13:18.58 | dbmoodb | just made a back up -- it has killed the sdcard to many times for that |
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| 13:19.41 | Dave | oh, not bad |
| 13:19.58 | Dave | lindi, but I spent the time to build the entire mokomakefile and keep it updated, can't I just build against that? |
| 13:20.07 | Dave | or does it not do the same thing? |
| 13:20.28 | lindi- | Dave: build against mokomakefile? |
| 13:20.40 | lindi- | Dave: debian does not use mokomakefile in any form |
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| 13:21.12 | Tanuva | hm. the xserver doesn't come up anymore... |
| 13:21.14 | p0seid0n | does somebody know how I can get tangoGPS ( it uses gpsd) running on the new OM2008.8 release ?? |
| 13:21.27 | Tanuva | (on debian) |
| 13:21.45 | lindi- | Tanuva: ps axuf? |
| 13:22.16 | Dave | debian? o_O |
| 13:22.18 | Rorschach | Tanuva: after suspend? |
| 13:22.21 | Dave | What? |
| 13:22.36 | Rorschach | p0seid0n: tangogps is installed by default |
| 13:22.38 | lindi- | Dave: yes |
| 13:22.45 | Tanuva | lindi-: http://rafb.net/p/49W71354.html |
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| 13:22.49 | Dave | Were you specifically talking about building debian-arm packages? |
| 13:22.49 | Tanuva | Rorschach: no, normal boot |
| 13:22.56 | lindi- | Dave: yes |
| 13:22.59 | Tanuva | Rorschach: resuming seems to mess up more |
| 13:23.04 | Dave | uggh |
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| 13:23.11 | Dave | damn lindi, and his one-track mind :p |
| 13:23.14 | lindi- | Dave: what else would anyone ever want to build? ;) |
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| 13:23.27 | kd8ikt | echo 0 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron |
| 13:23.45 | Dave | :P |
| 13:23.46 | Tanuva | lindi-: :D |
| 13:23.48 | lindi- | Tanuva: /etc/init.d/zhone-session start? |
| 13:23.51 | Dave | pwron? |
| 13:23.58 | Dave | what is that, the pwn/porn device? |
| 13:24.00 | kd8ikt | turn gps on |
| 13:24.04 | Dave | oh |
| 13:24.09 | lindi- | Dave: you see, i always create debian packages of software i use and sometimes try to get them to official debian too |
| 13:24.27 | dbmoodb | oh and btw is there any reason to run fso as root on debian ? |
| 13:24.28 | Dave | Yep :) |
| 13:24.32 | Dave | high-fives lindi |
| 13:24.42 | Tanuva | lindi-: gets the screen blank once and returns to the login shell... no output on the terminal, no dmesg info either |
| 13:24.42 | kd8ikt | if you cat /dev/ttySAC1 p0seid0n and it shows NMEA data then its on and tango will get a fix |
| 13:25.00 | p0seid0n | thx, will try |
| 13:25.02 | kd8ikt | think gpsd needs to be installed and running aswell |
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| 13:25.23 | kd8ikt | make sure you change the /etc/default/gpsd to point to ttySAC1 |
| 13:25.29 | lindi- | dbmoodb: "fso as root"? |
| 13:25.35 | dbmoodb | ah the gui thing |
| 13:25.37 | lindi- | dbmoodb: you mean as uid 0? |
| 13:25.38 | p0seid0n | yeah, but i could not find it in 2008.8 repository |
| 13:26.02 | dbmoodb | yeah lindi- like... why is it still running as root -- does it really need that (perhaps to access the requires /dev/ |
| 13:26.02 | Dave | nickometer p0seid0n |
| 13:26.05 | dbmoodb | 's* |
| 13:26.07 | lindi- | Tanuva: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 13:26.10 | Rorschach | p0seid0n: it's called locations and already installed as said |
| 13:26.25 | lindi- | dbmoodb: i think somebody was working on setting dbus permissions so that you could run UI as normal user |
| 13:26.36 | Dave | apt nickometer p0seid0n |
| 13:26.37 | lindi- | dbmoodb: not the highest priority task for me right now |
| 13:26.40 | dbmoodb | lindi-: i saw that ... so its about permission problems atm |
| 13:26.40 | Dave | huhu |
| 13:26.41 | Rorschach | p0seid0n: you don't have to do anything on the terminal or installation to get tangogps working on om2008.8 |
| 13:26.47 | dbmoodb | lindi-: yeah i know -- just wanted to ask |
| 13:26.56 | kd8ikt | how lame is my nick |
| 13:26.57 | lindi- | dbmoodb: if you have time, please work out the issues |
| 13:27.01 | Dave | pretty lame |
| 13:27.08 | dbmoodb | lindi-: i am a nub |
| 13:27.09 | Rorschach | hehe |
| 13:27.10 | Dave | Rorschach should be really lame too |
| 13:27.18 | lindi- | dbmoodb: learn python |
| 13:27.18 | Dave | It's too germanic and confusing |
| 13:27.24 | Dave | lindi: haha! |
| 13:27.36 | Dave | Lindi, I'm trying! |
| 13:27.37 | kd8ikt | apt nickometer kd8ikt |
| 13:27.39 | Dave | :P |
| 13:27.42 | Dave | heh |
| 13:27.48 | Dave | is absolut pur |
| 13:27.50 | lindi- | dbmoodb: zhone is written in python, you should be able to understand at least some parts of it quickly |
| 13:27.50 | p0seid0n | Rorschach: sure Locations is tangoGPS? looks pretty different to me |
| 13:27.58 | Tanuva | apt nickometer Dave |
| 13:28.01 | dbmoodb | apt nickometer dbmoodb |
| 13:28.03 | Rorschach | p0seid0n: yes pretty sure |
| 13:28.04 | Tanuva | hm |
| 13:28.08 | p0seid0n | hm |
| 13:28.10 | Dave | dbmoodb is annoying |
| 13:28.13 | Dave | :P |
| 13:28.14 | Rorschach | apt nickometer Rorschach |
| 13:28.20 | Dave | it just goes by a simple metric |
| 13:28.25 | Rorschach | hehe |
| 13:28.27 | Dave | It requires more comprehensiveness! |
| 13:28.29 | phrozen77_ | apt nickometer phrozen77 |
| 13:28.32 | dbmoodb | i don't know python -- should learn it atm i'm learning c++ for uni. Dave bt not lame |
| 13:28.34 | phrozen77_ | :O |
| 13:28.34 | Dave | Like taking into account foreign |
| 13:28.39 | phrozen77_ | apt nickometer p0seid0n |
| 13:28.42 | Tanuva | is glad about not having digits in his nick |
| 13:28.45 | Dave | hahaha |
| 13:28.47 | Dave | uggh |
| 13:28.50 | p0seid0n | this "Locations" has zero features |
| 13:28.50 | Dave | this always happens |
| 13:28.55 | kd8ikt | obviously nickometer doesnt take into consideration amateur radio callsigns cause that should make it -50 |
| 13:29.03 | Tanuva | lindi-: http://rafb.net/p/Uw9FCJ88.html |
| 13:29.15 | phrozen77_ | i guess we have a winner |
| 13:29.16 | phrozen77_ | :P |
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| 13:29.53 | sevenhundred | apt nickometer sevenhundred |
| 13:30.08 | dbmoodb | how does ht the rating work ? |
| 13:30.11 | Tanuva | apt nickometer 700 |
| 13:30.20 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:30.24 | Tanuva | *g* |
| 13:30.31 | Rorschach | p0seid0n: maybe I'm also wrong with this, I checked some screenshots and they look different |
| 13:30.37 | lindi- | Tanuva: that looks surprisingly ok |
| 13:30.41 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.46 | Dave | jabs Raster |
| 13:30.51 | thomasgruebler | hello |
| 13:30.54 | Tanuva | lindi-: I wondered about that, too... |
| 13:30.58 | Dave | more like ignore all your fuckers :P |
| 13:31.02 | Dave | BQS BQS! |
| 13:31.06 | lindi- | Tanuva: is your /usr/bin/zhone-session ok= |
| 13:31.08 | sevenhundred | apt nickometer cyb3rr_n1nj4!!1 |
| 13:31.13 | p0seid0n | Rorschach: I guess so. but both use OSM as map source |
| 13:31.13 | lindi- | Tanuva: can you add "sleep 10000" there? |
| 13:31.14 | sevenhundred | hehehe |
| 13:31.15 | Dave | hahahaha indeed |
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| 13:31.41 | Rorschach | someone knows how the special chars aux and start can be accessed in debian? how is it made that pressing aux starts xterm? |
| 13:31.41 | Dave | sevenhundred, you forgot it could be all caps as well! |
| 13:31.51 | Dave | oh god, I shouldn't have said anything :P |
| 13:32.02 | Tanuva | lindi-: at the beginning? |
| 13:32.07 | sevenhundred | apt nickometer CYB3RR_N1NJ4!!1 |
| 13:32.08 | dbmoodb | ignoes * |
| 13:32.20 | Tanuva | LOL |
| 13:32.27 | Dave | :P |
| 13:32.28 | Dave | win |
| 13:32.32 | Dave | haha |
| 13:32.38 | Dave | Anyhoo, on to better things. |
| 13:32.44 | Dave | Like building lindi's debian packages! |
| 13:32.45 | sevenhundred | I wonder which part of it isn't lame? |
| 13:32.47 | Dave | :) |
| 13:32.58 | Dave | sevenhundred, you'll have the rest of your lifetime to figure that out :) |
| 13:33.12 | lindi- | Rorschach: read /usr/bin/matchbox-keyboard-toggle |
| 13:33.27 | Dave | hahaha |
| 13:33.27 | Dave | wtf? |
| 13:33.27 | sevenhundred | yay |
| 13:33.27 | lindi- | Tanuva: yes |
| 13:33.27 | Dave | What is that? |
| 13:33.33 | matt_ | hey all |
| 13:33.43 | Rorschach | lindi-: thx |
| 13:33.43 | Dave | lindi is that the same as adding keyboard to the session file? :P |
| 13:33.49 | lindi- | Dave: no |
| 13:33.50 | Dave | so it creates that nice tray icon? |
| 13:33.51 | Dave | oh |
| 13:33.54 | Dave | then what? |
| 13:33.55 | lindi- | Dave: it listens to AUX over dbus |
| 13:34.00 | Dave | oh nice? |
| 13:34.04 | Dave | is this for debian only? |
| 13:34.07 | lindi- | Dave: and starts and kills matchbox-keyboard on request |
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| 13:34.17 | lindi- | Dave: it's python, you can use it somewhere else too |
| 13:34.17 | Dave | Didn't ecraven write that? |
| 13:34.21 | lindi- | not sure |
| 13:34.27 | Dave | I'm pretty sure he started it |
| 13:34.42 | matt_ | is there any way to add a terminal to debian fos ? |
| 13:34.44 | Dave | we conspired to get that working a while back when he started to evilly get debian working |
| 13:34.51 | lindi- | matt_: yes :) |
| 13:35.23 | matt_ | rephrases |
| 13:35.32 | lindi- | Dave: the package does not have copyright file, bad package :P |
| 13:35.47 | lindi- | Dave: so i don't know who wrote that file |
| 13:35.47 | Dave | hurrrr |
| 13:35.48 | Dave | :P |
| 13:35.52 | Dave | oh well |
| 13:36.03 | Rorschach | lindi-: do you now how /usr/bin/matchbox-keyboard-toggle is working? because it's not shown by ps aux |
| 13:36.03 | Dave | back to my python programming I guess then :P |
| 13:36.12 | lindi- | Dave: there's only changelog with ' -- Joachim Breitner <nomeata@debian.org> Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:17:07 -0300' |
| 13:36.18 | Dave | oh |
| 13:36.20 | lindi- | Rorschach: /usr/bin/zhone-session starts it |
| 13:36.23 | Dave | sounds like bs |
| 13:36.30 | Dave | probably the fool who packaged it |
| 13:36.34 | matt_ | is there plans to add a wm and apps to debian fos ? |
| 13:36.34 | Rorschach | thx again |
| 13:36.41 | lindi- | matt_: it has wm |
| 13:36.45 | lindi- | matt_: matchbox-window-manager |
| 13:37.14 | matt_ | how do I get to is. zhone is all, and it doesn;t work either. |
| 13:37.19 | Dave | lul |
| 13:37.23 | Tanuva | lindi-: trying to start zhone-session now kills the line feed and makes the grey x-screen with the x-cursor come up, but nothing more |
| 13:37.27 | lindi- | matt_: ssh :) |
| 13:37.44 | lindi- | Tanuva: that is exactly what is supposed to happen |
| 13:37.48 | Tanuva | lindi-: ah :D |
| 13:38.03 | lindi- | Tanuva: now execute the rest of /usr/bin/zhone-session manually line by line to see what goes wrong |
| 13:38.55 | lindi- | Tanuva: since X is not the culprit here |
| 13:39.14 | lindi- | hrm, please, tell me how to debug xorg modules with gdb :P |
| 13:39.15 | Tanuva | lindi-: grmpf, one reboot, I fiddled around too much :) |
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| 13:40.39 | sevenhundred | installs debian |
| 13:41.01 | lindi- | the announcement was too soon if you ask me, lots of bugs to fix :) |
| 13:41.29 | Arcnet | yeah, the shop I bought my FR at just allowed me to open the FR and still keep my waranty :-) |
| 13:41.54 | johngay | Release soon, release often, so I hear. |
| 13:42.27 | lindi- | johngay: yeah true |
| 13:42.30 | dbmoodb | does debian suspend with zphone or ...? |
| 13:42.45 | dbmoodb | like will it do it automatically (like it turns / dims the screen) |
| 13:42.48 | lindi- | dbmoodb: zhone does "apm -s" |
| 13:42.57 | lindi- | dbmoodb: it should do it over dbus but it doens't yet |
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| 13:43.02 | Rorschach | how can I get out the whole dbus-names of the things if dbus-monitor doesn't work on the freerunner? |
| 13:43.03 | lindi- | dbmoodb: apt-get source zhone to see |
| 13:43.14 | lindi- | Rorschach: dbus-monitor works on my freerunner |
| 13:43.16 | dbmoodb | lindi-: yes sure sure but.. if i leave it alone will it suspend or will it stay on |
| 13:43.31 | lindi- | Rorschach: you need to enable eavesdropping |
| 13:43.35 | Rorschach | lindi-: debian-gta02:/# dbus-monitor |
| 13:43.35 | Rorschach | Failed to open connection to session message bus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session |
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| 13:43.49 | dbmoodb | apt-get install dbus-x11 |
| 13:43.50 | lindi- | dbmoodb: learn python, it won't suspend unless you hold power down for 2 seconds :) |
| 13:43.59 | lindi- | Rorschach: dbus-monitor --system |
| 13:44.02 | dbmoodb | lindi-: yeah people keep tell me that |
| 13:44.04 | lindi- | Rorschach: and you need to configure dbus |
| 13:44.33 | lindi- | Rorschach: can you follow http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/issues.txt? it's my internal notes so it might be unclear |
| 13:44.38 | dbmoodb | lindi-: no i had that problem if its debian and its x11... you might need that package...(hides in small box) |
| 13:44.56 | Rorschach | thx lindi- with these hints I'll figure it out by my own |
| 13:45.16 | lindi- | dbmoodb: i don't have dbus-x11 and i can see traffic |
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| 13:46.02 | deever | hi |
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| 13:48.09 | deever | on a macbook pro (with kubuntu), when my freerunner is not connected, dfu-util lists a mysterious device |
| 13:48.12 | deever | Found Runtime: [0x05ac:0x8205] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" |
| 13:48.22 | deever | what the hell is that? ;) |
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| 13:48.42 | ronny | deever: looks like a buildin usb device ;P |
| 13:48.57 | ronny | deever: some laptops have those for bluetooth |
| 13:49.52 | Tanuva | lindi-: this happens when I start zhone: http://rafb.net/p/TTF20t76.html |
| 13:49.56 | dbmoodb | lindi-: mdbus ..ah ? |
| 13:50.03 | dbmoodb | oh nevermind |
| 13:50.07 | lindi- | dbmoodb: just ask :) |
| 13:50.07 | Tanuva | lindi-: strange. that already worked 2 or 3 times |
| 13:50.17 | lindi- | Tanuva: huh |
| 13:50.24 | lindi- | Tanuva: dpkg -l zhone |
| 13:50.25 | deever | ronny: what could that be? |
| 13:50.41 | ronny | deever: most likely bluethooth or something |
| 13:51.05 | Tanuva | lindi-: http://rafb.net/p/DrvwPV89.html |
| 13:51.17 | ronny | deever: to be sure, ask apple ;P |
| 13:51.33 | lindi- | Tanuva: ok |
| 13:52.28 | lindi- | Tanuva: dpkg -l|grep -E "(evas|ecore|cython|edbus|edje|embryo)" | netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234? |
| 13:52.48 | Dave | ronny :) |
| 13:53.50 | lindi- | Tanuva: according to source that function should be in evas |
| 13:54.00 | Dave | Help me build the source :) |
| 13:54.02 | Dave | heehee |
| 13:54.11 | Dave | stupid apple |
| 13:54.30 | Tanuva | lindi-: http://rafb.net/p/0e9g8991.html |
| 13:54.46 | Wonka | sorry to say it that way, but: i liked the UI of 2007.2 and want it back. FSO's UI is crap. |
| 13:54.56 | lindi- | Tanuva: exactly same versions |
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| 13:54.57 | dbmoodb | Wonka: fso is ok |
| 13:55.42 | Dave | wow |
| 13:55.45 | Tanuva | Wonka: install 7.2 ;) |
| 13:55.46 | Wonka | especially the things the aux and power buttons did were very ok - didn't find any comfortable way to do that in FSO |
| 13:56.00 | lindi- | 12:53.21 pH5 still fails with "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'image_cache_set'" on the device. |
| 13:56.12 | lindi- | Tanuva: somebody saw that on 2008-07-19 |
| 13:56.46 | Wonka | dbmoodb: the rest may be ok, the dbus stuff for example, but i don't like the UI |
| 13:56.49 | Tanuva | lindi-: hm. so what might save me? reinstall debian? |
| 13:56.51 | Dave | haha, speaking of 7.2 |
| 13:56.58 | Wonka | the one thing that is ok is the keyboard |
| 13:56.59 | lindi- | Tanuva: no, we need to figure out the issue |
| 13:57.02 | Dave | pesters Speedevil |
| 13:57.03 | Tanuva | okay |
| 13:57.09 | Dave | Wonka, of course :) |
| 13:57.24 | lindi- | Tanuva: but i'll debug xorg, buy SD card. it'll take a while :) |
| 13:57.31 | Dave | Tanuva, what are you doing wrong now? :D |
| 13:57.37 | lindi- | Tanuva: for now you could report this bug to bugs.debian.org |
| 13:57.38 | Wonka | i like that even more than the matchbox keyboard |
| 13:57.47 | Dave | yeah |
| 13:57.53 | Dave | matchbox-keyboard is pretty bad |
| 13:57.55 | Tanuva | lindi-: good, going to do that. |
| 13:58.03 | Dave | but it sure as fuck beats the multitap-pad :p |
| 13:58.05 | lindi- | Tanuva: along with that dump of version numbers |
| 13:58.13 | Wonka | ack ack ack |
| 13:58.26 | Dave | quack |
| 13:58.34 | dbmoodb | syn |
| 13:58.43 | Dave | TRAP |
| 13:58.52 | Wonka | rst |
| 13:59.01 | lindi- | Dave: the iphone style 'svn co http://barbieri-playground.googlecode.com/svn/efl-tests/vkbd/' keyboard is going to beat them all :) |
| 13:59.08 | Dave | eh? |
| 13:59.21 | lindi- | i can actually type with it quite fast but i need to fix xorg to make landscape work |
| 13:59.49 | Dave | duh |
| 13:59.53 | Dave | otherwise it's kind of pointless |
| 14:00.00 | lindi- | yes |
| 14:00.02 | ronny | hmm |
| 14:00.22 | ronny | i still need to figure where the heck to get the right repos for fso2 |
| 14:00.34 | Dave | :[ |
| 14:00.46 | Rorschach | lol someone checked the code of this gesture-recognition thing? looks like the author first has written it for the nintendo wii :) |
| 14:01.05 | Dave | bah |
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| 14:01.18 | Dave | wiirunner? |
| 14:01.22 | Dave | shudders |
| 14:01.37 | Rorschach | hehe |
| 14:01.37 | Dave | fweemote? |
| 14:01.43 | Dave | motherfucking nintendoo |
| 14:02.14 | deever | ronny: i'll do some investigation, yes! ;) |
| 14:03.02 | lindi- | has source level debugging of xorg with everything running on the phone |
| 14:03.09 | Dave | hot |
| 14:03.14 | bumbl | Rorschach: it not only looks like that, the lib was written for the wiimote first |
| 14:03.27 | Wonka | lindi-: how would one use that? |
| 14:04.11 | Rorschach | bumbl: nice to know :) I was just wondering because I stumbeled several times over the word "wii" in the sourcecode |
| 14:04.16 | Wonka | lindi-: as in "copy files where, change what entries, ..." |
| 14:04.27 | lindi- | Wonka: are you using debian? |
| 14:04.32 | Wonka | lindi-: no |
| 14:04.46 | Wonka | lindi-: at least not on my FR |
| 14:04.46 | lindi- | then i don't know |
| 14:05.05 | lindi- | i tried to build org.openmoko.asu.dev with mokomakefile for days |
| 14:05.17 | Wonka | i'd like trying debian, but ATM i don't want to empty my 8GB SDHC |
| 14:05.43 | Wonka | so i'd like to install it to internal flash |
| 14:05.48 | Wonka | somehow |
| 14:05.55 | lindi- | no chance at the moment :) |
| 14:06.13 | lindi- | Wonka: just chroot to debian |
| 14:06.28 | sevenhundred | so, um, how long does the debian installation take? |
| 14:06.42 | lindi- | 15 minutes |
| 14:07.02 | Wonka | lindi-: the problem is that i've got a sd card "full" with map data and i want to keep using that |
| 14:07.02 | bumbl | Rorschach: then it seems that the code needs a cleanup |
| 14:07.07 | dbmoodb | lindi-: longer than that ... no... -- are you talking about the prebuilt or rolling your own ? |
| 14:07.27 | lindi- | Wonka: if it's completely full then logically you don't have space :) |
| 14:07.37 | Wonka | there are some G free... |
| 14:07.42 | Wonka | but no vfat partition |
| 14:07.44 | Dave | Bumble :) |
| 14:07.56 | lindi- | dbmoodb: hmm? |
| 14:08.23 | lindi- | Wonka: debian chroot just needs a directory in ext2 |
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| 14:08.49 | sevenhundred | lindi-, I guess it has been finished for twenty minutes now, then, and just keeps downloading for the heck of it? :P |
| 14:08.56 | dbmoodb | lindi-: using vncviewer i cant scroll up --- its locked to scrolling down the bars ... is the touchscreen configured ... 100% yet (takes this to be a bug) |
| 14:09.05 | Rorschach | someone good the orientation-swapping with xrandr -o inverted work? it just shows errors to me |
| 14:09.11 | almien | on tangogps, how do you know when it's finished downloading tiles / how many it has remaining? |
| 14:09.13 | Rorschach | s/good/got/ |
| 14:09.28 | lindi- | dbmoodb: use xev to test? |
| 14:09.42 | lindi- | Rorschach: with xorg? |
| 14:10.00 | lindi- | sevenhundred: ps axuf? |
| 14:10.13 | dbmoodb | it looks so nice tho -- the vnc |
| 14:10.28 | Zorkman | lol, xiangfu made a possible intersting post at http://planet.openmoko.org/ |
| 14:10.37 | Rorschach | no with default debian install.. so does xrandr just work with a Xserver? |
| 14:11.10 | lindi- | Rorschach: not with xorg |
| 14:11.34 | lindi- | Rorschach: but 'Option "Rotate" "CW"' works |
| 14:12.07 | lindi- | except that the touchscreen coordinates are broken :) |
| 14:13.06 | Rorschach | okay than it's not quite useble at the moment :) |
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| 14:13.50 | lindi- | i'm working on it right now |
| 14:14.10 | Wonka | Zorkman: if one could read it... |
| 14:14.55 | Dave | ZORKMAN |
| 14:15.08 | Dave | haha, indeed |
| 14:15.47 | Dave | I can read some of it. |
| 14:16.20 | Wonka | lindi-: ok, problem "solved". something just ate the partition table and FS on that 8GB microSDHC again. |
| 14:17.04 | dbmoodb | Wonka: yeah that happens to me all the time Wonka how did you solve it ? |
| 14:17.20 | Wonka | dbmoodb: not at all. |
| 14:17.27 | dbmoodb | fail ? |
| 14:18.20 | SpeedEvil | RAID. |
| 14:18.48 | Wonka | # file -s /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 14:18.48 | Wonka | /dev/mmcblk0p1: data |
| 14:20.35 | dbmoodb | anyone know a good small rss feed ... progra m? |
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| 14:28.12 | Rorschach | dbmoodb: I use newsbeuter on my desktop-system but it's console based and won't work well on the neo |
| 14:28.46 | Rorschach | but there was this python rss reder |
| 14:29.06 | Rorschach | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PyFeedRead |
| 14:30.35 | Rorschach | * |
| 14:30.36 | Rorschach | python-core python-misc python-lang python-pygtk python-netclient |
| 14:33.05 | deever | is there a way to use usb ethernet under qtopia? |
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| 14:40.18 | ulix | question, is just me or the people behind the qtopia plattform want to kill the phone? |
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| 14:40.44 | ulix | that thing just dont work? |
| 14:41.13 | ronny | ulix: context? |
| 14:41.36 | ulix | I installed yesterday and i have to takeit back to 2007.2 |
| 14:41.51 | ronny | hu? |
| 14:41.52 | ulix | because it was not receiving my sms |
| 14:42.07 | kd8ikt | reread topix |
| 14:42.09 | ulix | neither my voice-mail notifications |
| 14:42.26 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.44 | ulix | ok kd8ikt where is that? |
| 14:43.07 | kd8ikt | begins blugeoning ulix with a keyboard |
| 14:43.18 | Deubeuliou | I just did an "opkg upgrade" and if I do it one more time, it still upgrades, is that normal ? |
| 14:43.50 | kd8ikt | sounds like it didnt successfulyl complete Deubeuliou |
| 14:43.55 | Deubeuliou | yes |
| 14:44.08 | Deubeuliou | I think so: actually, it is the 4th one |
| 14:44.23 | Deubeuliou | the 1st one was done trough ssh |
| 14:44.33 | dbmoodb | mmm i can't get debian to let mplayer be fullscreen... any ideas anyone ? |
| 14:44.40 | Deubeuliou | and the link broke when the ssh server restarted |
| 14:44.46 | Deubeuliou | just like the 2nd one |
| 14:44.58 | Deubeuliou | and the 3rd one: X died |
| 14:45.01 | easy_ | where is the data of /etc/pointercal described? Because my calibration ist wrong and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian#Get_touchscreen_working does not work for me. |
| 14:45.35 | dbmoodb | easy_: its a fine located on some ftp / http server -- see the install script for the location ... |
| 14:46.39 | easy_ | dbmoodb, what install script? I use http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.txt.gismo to install debian on my freerunner. |
| 14:47.12 | dbmoodb | easy_: yeah that sound be fine |
| 14:47.19 | kd8ikt | 557 38667 -4654632 -51172 121 46965312 65536 |
| 14:47.31 | kd8ikt | thats what mine says and it works great |
| 14:47.33 | dbmoodb | ... get rid of the install.txt... blah and then try looking for the pointcal -- or use what kd8ikt just posted |
| 14:47.35 | easy_ | kd8ikt, will try. |
| 14:49.11 | easy_ | Nope not really. I can only use the first quarter in the top left of my touchscreen to move the pointer... :/ |
| 14:49.29 | kd8ikt | probably need a modified deb |
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| 14:49.41 | kd8ikt | i used the install script they made |
| 14:49.54 | kd8ikt | so... youre missing something |
| 14:50.19 | kd8ikt | pluss last i checked that manual one was pretty much tailored for the gta01 |
| 14:50.30 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: --- i just copied and pasted the pointercal ... it worked... |
| 14:50.36 | kd8ikt | and gta02 was an afterthought |
| 14:50.36 | easy_ | I'll look in the installation script. |
| 14:51.04 | kd8ikt | dbmoodb: yours wasnt working either? |
| 14:51.04 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: you can use the manual install for the gta02 but -- just take the install script and mod it -- really... its best to follow that install script |
| 14:51.12 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: it is now -- i'm on lenny :) |
| 14:51.20 | sevenhundred | whoa, speakerphone does _not_ work flawlessly in qtopia XD |
| 14:51.50 | dbmoodb | the video is really slow on debian atm |
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| 14:52.02 | Dave | make it work! |
| 14:52.32 | trupheenix | dumb question: why is openmoko 2008.8 based on QTopia and not GTK+? : |
| 14:52.48 | lindi- | easy_: are you sure your calibration is wrong? |
| 14:53.07 | kd8ikt | yeah i hate the qtopia dialer |
| 14:53.09 | lindi- | dbmoodb: with xorg? |
| 14:53.31 | kd8ikt | 2008.8 w/qtopia dialer FTL |
| 14:53.47 | easy_ | Ok, now it works. Added Width an Height to the Input-Section in the xorg.conf |
| 14:53.49 | dbmoodb | lindi-: xorg ? .... ah yeh my debian lenny works with xorg .... the video is slow tho... |
| 14:54.14 | lindi- | dbmoodb: lenny? |
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| 14:54.35 | dbmoodb | lindi-: more concern to me is the keyboard disappearing on gnome-screensaver (i like my floating debian screensaver) debian lenny lindi- ... as opposed to sid |
| 14:54.36 | kd8ikt | need specially encoded video's and that jerry rigged patch for mplayer that i cant get to compile |
| 14:55.34 | kd8ikt | http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ |
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| 14:56.33 | dcordes | shoragan: ping |
| 14:56.44 | kd8ikt | snoogens |
| 14:57.27 | ronny | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:59.52 | Dave | haha, it's funny because the answer is yes, but they suck :P |
| 14:59.59 | trupheenix | kd8ikt: actually qtopia itself is quite nice |
| 15:00.17 | trupheenix | kd8ikt: i found it to be more usable than openmoko |
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| 15:00.32 | cga | can one ssh into qtopia? |
| 15:00.38 | Garinn | Hey everyone ... I just got my Freerunner and ran into major problems. Would you mind to help me out? |
| 15:00.39 | cga | i want to try it |
| 15:00.41 | trupheenix | cga: yes of course! |
| 15:00.44 | cga | cool thanks |
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| 15:00.47 | trupheenix | Garinn: yes shoot |
| 15:00.58 | ronny | Dave: hmm, i wish one could teach tangogps google maps |
| 15:00.58 | Garinn | I flashed it to AUS |
| 15:01.03 | Garinn | ASU* |
| 15:01.07 | Dave | you can |
| 15:01.14 | ronny | Dave: how? |
| 15:01.14 | kd8ikt | why thank you for that extra special thought directed at me |
| 15:01.23 | ronny | (i totally missed that |
| 15:01.30 | Garinn | and now it goes into standy whenever I dont touch it .. immediately |
| 15:01.33 | Dave | My understanding is the only problem is the "legal issue" |
| 15:01.39 | Garinn | standby* |
| 15:01.40 | trupheenix | Garinn: ok |
| 15:01.44 | cga | Garinn, does gsm work? |
| 15:01.50 | Garinn | No |
| 15:01.53 | cga | mmm k |
| 15:01.57 | trupheenix | no idea! tell u what just put Openmoko 2007.02 it works well |
| 15:02.12 | Garinn | Apparently, my sim card is among those that dont work with the phone =/ |
| 15:02.19 | Dave | nice |
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| 15:02.42 | cga | Garinn, mine works with all oses but gsm doesn't work either on asu or fso |
| 15:02.45 | SpeedEvil | ronny: there is always of course the DIY solution... |
| 15:02.54 | cga | it's not a sim problem |
| 15:03.10 | Dave | It's a you're not cool enough problem :P |
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| 15:03.16 | cga | lol |
| 15:03.22 | Garinn | well, it never registerd on 2007 either |
| 15:03.39 | Garinn | meh |
| 15:03.40 | ronny | SpeedEvil: wich is usually insane, and even more cause i suck at map things |
| 15:03.47 | cga | i thank me that i still have a pleistocene sim card |
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| 15:04.07 | Deubeuliou | does anyone have an idea why X died when doing an opkg-upgrade ? |
| 15:04.13 | SpeedEvil | ronny: Adding to OSM isn't hard. |
| 15:04.47 | Garinn | I found that list of supported sim cards, got one from E-Plus (German) |
| 15:04.50 | cga | Deubeuliou, it usually restart it (and you lose ssh if you don't nohup dropbear) |
| 15:05.14 | Garinn | so, apparently, its a 3GM card and not supported by the Freerunner |
| 15:05.20 | Deubeuliou | I did the upgrade directly on the phone. but X doesn't restart |
| 15:05.24 | cga | mmm |
| 15:05.28 | Deubeuliou | I see lines printing |
| 15:05.31 | ronny | SpeedEvil: guess i will do then |
| 15:05.32 | cga | in loop? |
| 15:05.34 | Deubeuliou | looping always the sames |
| 15:05.41 | cga | kenrnel problem, it's known |
| 15:05.42 | SpeedEvil | ronny: where are you? |
| 15:05.48 | Deubeuliou | ow :( |
| 15:05.50 | cga | just unplug the battery and restart |
| 15:05.55 | SpeedEvil | ronny: it'd be nice if you could buy TT for the phone :/ |
| 15:05.59 | cga | then flash kernenl |
| 15:06.01 | Deubeuliou | can't I just restart X ? |
| 15:06.03 | cga | nope |
| 15:06.10 | cga | it's a kernel loop |
| 15:06.10 | Deubeuliou | I'm logged in |
| 15:06.14 | Deubeuliou | trough ssh |
| 15:06.15 | cga | not anymore |
| 15:06.19 | Deubeuliou | I am |
| 15:06.22 | Garinn | Also, the dialer tells me it cant start gsm because the sim was missing - tried a friend's sim and the message changed to "not registered" |
| 15:06.24 | cga | how so? |
| 15:06.34 | Deubeuliou | ssh. I just installed tangogps |
| 15:06.37 | Deubeuliou | right now |
| 15:06.39 | cga | mmm |
| 15:06.47 | Deubeuliou | and I can restart X |
| 15:06.55 | Deubeuliou | it happened me 10 minutes ago |
| 15:06.55 | cga | well get out of there and unplug battery |
| 15:07.06 | cga | || you are lucky |
| 15:07.25 | Deubeuliou | or I do a "halt" ? |
| 15:08.36 | cga | Deubeuliou, if it works |
| 15:08.54 | Deubeuliou | it does |
| 15:08.57 | cga | k |
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| 15:09.35 | Deubeuliou | hem ... with which kernel should I flash ? |
| 15:09.42 | cga | Deubeuliou, prolly opkg didn't upgrade dropbear |
| 15:09.59 | cga | Deubeuliou, i don't know actually. try one newer than yours |
| 15:10.18 | Deubeuliou | well, I did it several times; I just had to reconnect |
| 15:10.51 | Deubeuliou | but it stopped the upgrade when doing it trough ssh |
| 15:11.00 | matt_ | full marks to those who rolled the Debian build. It's like arriving at home after staying in a caravan. |
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| 15:13.57 | Deubeuliou | cga, http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ <-- I think this uImage is the one I have ... the stock one. |
| 15:14.26 | cga | Deubeuliou, that's what i meant. if you opkg upgrade it stops and disconnect you. see here for doing it all good: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Update_with_the_package_manager (nohup line) |
| 15:14.37 | cga | Deubeuliou, that's the default image that comes with fr |
| 15:15.02 | Deubeuliou | then it's the one I have |
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| 15:15.25 | cga | exactly, you need a newer one |
| 15:15.29 | Deubeuliou | and I don't know wheter it is right or not to upgrade to the 2008.8 while having 2007.2 rootfs |
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| 15:15.57 | cga | Deubeuliou, neither do i |
| 15:15.59 | mwester | Deubeuliou: no, you must reflash |
| 15:16.00 | Rorschach | do you also have the WSOD with debian too? |
| 15:16.42 | Deubeuliou | ok. oh, BTW, I tried to use screen but ... it does nothing :( |
| 15:16.59 | cga | Deubeuliou, read that page. it saved my life XD |
| 15:17.01 | Deubeuliou | ok, cga, I'm trying the nohup right now |
| 15:17.04 | cga | ok |
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| 15:17.12 | lindi- | Rorschach: wsod? |
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| 15:18.03 | cga | Deubeuliou, always run "nohup opkg upgrade dropbear &" first and the "opkg upgrade" |
| 15:18.06 | Rorschach | lindi-: white screen of death (after a longer suspend and you wanna resume) |
| 15:18.30 | Rorschach | the screen is just white and nothing happens and you have to shutdown and reboot |
| 15:18.48 | lindi- | Rorschach: no ping? |
| 15:19.03 | kd8ikt | nah everyhting "works" but screen |
| 15:19.21 | kd8ikt | like i can ssh in |
| 15:19.39 | Rorschach | kd8ikt: you also have it? |
| 15:19.44 | kd8ikt | sometimes |
| 15:19.59 | kd8ikt | thats why i dont really use suspend |
| 15:20.01 | Rorschach | I always when I suspend for more than 20min or so |
| 15:20.28 | kd8ikt | yeah thats how to replicate it |
| 15:20.48 | kd8ikt | but besides that battery life kicks ass with suspend |
| 15:21.32 | Rorschach | I never tested it but I assume suspend saves a lot of battery time |
| 15:22.54 | dbmoodb | installs powertop |
| 15:23.05 | kd8ikt | lol that name has gay overtons |
| 15:23.09 | kd8ikt | tones* |
| 15:23.11 | mwester | install MS Office |
| 15:23.14 | Rorschach | hehe |
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| 15:23.22 | ronny | anyone knows how to tell the fso2 to shut down? |
| 15:23.24 | kd8ikt | 'powertop' |
| 15:23.26 | dbmoodb | ms office = bsod |
| 15:23.35 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.40 | Rorschach | ronny: keep the start button pressed for some time |
| 15:23.41 | cga | at least it changes colors now XD |
| 15:24.04 | ronny | DAMN |
| 15:24.14 | ronny | it just did a hard poweroff |
| 15:24.29 | ronny | thats NOT a gracefull shutdown -_- |
| 15:24.39 | spdr_ | well, i'd start getting used to it |
| 15:24.41 | spdr_ | :p |
| 15:25.04 | Dave | :p |
| 15:25.32 | dbmoodb | apparently powertops says we don't have hpet on or the no tick optionthing |
| 15:25.34 | edistar_ | ronny: alternatively take out the battery |
| 15:25.36 | ronny | whats the problem with puting a fscking button in there that calls shutodwn? |
| 15:25.47 | Deubeuliou | root@david-laptop:~# ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 15:25.47 | Deubeuliou | usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: Aucun périphérique de ce type <-- why it doesn't work now ? it used to work ... |
| 15:25.49 | edistar_ | ronny: only users need that.. |
| 15:25.55 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: missing module |
| 15:26.10 | ronny | AND STOP TELLING STUPID UGLY SOLUTIONS |
| 15:26.12 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: modprobe cdc_ether |
| 15:26.17 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: modprobe usbnet |
| 15:26.33 | edistar_ | ronny: lol |
| 15:26.42 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:26.48 | edistar_ | ronny: putting in a button should be simple |
| 15:27.27 | Deubeuliou | lindi-, it still doesn't work. But it used to, and Ididn't reboot |
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| 15:27.57 | cga | Deubeuliou, you didn't read all the page down from nohup right???? there was written what to do to get usb working |
| 15:27.59 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: can you provide the error in english? |
| 15:28.32 | Deubeuliou | cga, I'm not at this point, for now. I'm just trying to use the gps for now |
| 15:28.45 | Deubeuliou | lindi-, "No such Peripheric" ? |
| 15:29.00 | dbmoodb | lindi-: on debian lenny suspending makes thes kebyoard / input be ignored on resume |
| 15:29.05 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: "LANG=C ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200" please |
| 15:29.18 | lindi- | dbmoodb: you have lenny on freerunner? |
| 15:29.18 | Deubeuliou | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 15:29.18 | Deubeuliou | usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 15:29.19 | dbmoodb | like you can enter things.. but it doesn't registe |
| 15:29.20 | dbmoodb | r |
| 15:29.24 | dbmoodb | lindi-: yes lenny not sid |
| 15:29.30 | lindi- | Deubeuliou: yeah definitely you have some modules missing |
| 15:29.40 | lindi- | dbmoodb: why not sid? ;) |
| 15:29.49 | dbmoodb | i'm sane |
| 15:29.54 | dbmoodb | :) |
| 15:30.14 | lindi- | dbmoodb: my choise was to do daily backups :) |
| 15:30.27 | lindi- | choice even |
| 15:30.53 | tdobson | hey guys |
| 15:30.58 | cga | Deubeuliou, follow that link for kernel modules ; depmod ; reboot. |
| 15:30.58 | tdobson | I'm running om2007.2 |
| 15:31.03 | dbmoodb | lindi-: debian damn works why go and choose the unstable sid version -- when i can have lenny |
| 15:31.05 | tdobson | sounds stopped working |
| 15:31.09 | tdobson | pulseaudio seems to be running |
| 15:31.17 | tdobson | anyone got an ideas of what to try? |
| 15:31.25 | lindi- | dbmoodb: since the pkg-fso packages will appear in unstable |
| 15:31.26 | tdobson | (it's not hardware headphones seemt to be ok) |
| 15:31.38 | dbmoodb | lindi-: and ? i have them in lenny anyways |
| 15:31.47 | deever | is there a way to use usb ethernet under qtopia? |
| 15:31.52 | dbmoodb | (just added the unstable repos and got like the few packages requried) |
| 15:32.08 | lindi- | dbmoodb: ok, i never figured out how to safely mix repos |
| 15:32.10 | kd8ikt | yes deever it works just like every other build |
| 15:32.17 | dbmoodb | lindi-: don't |
| 15:32.28 | lindi- | dbmoodb: i just use chroots |
| 15:32.45 | Deubeuliou | I followed this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking |
| 15:32.47 | dbmoodb | but you can do it properly ... with only adding the sources filling the deps than making it your self |
| 15:34.45 | cga | Deubeuliou, i think i told you to follow that link i gave you before you started. i did the same mistake when that solution wasn't published. the usb don't work anymore... i *had* to flash the phone and then follow those instructions to get the upgrade and usb working again. |
| 15:35.01 | cga | good luck |
| 15:35.10 | Deubeuliou | mmmh ok :( |
| 15:36.13 | cga | fortunately the usb works at NOR and NAND so you can flash, otherwise we would have two nice bricked neos |
| 15:36.43 | Deubeuliou | where did you took the kernel you flashed with ? |
| 15:36.46 | dbmoodb | cga: don't tell people about the third bootloader ;) |
| 15:36.50 | cga | lol |
| 15:37.06 | cga | Deubeuliou, the release link you pasted before |
| 15:37.09 | SpeedEvil | dbmoodb: the NSA one? |
| 15:37.15 | cga | both kernel and rootfs btw |
| 15:37.24 | Deubeuliou | isn'it the stock one ? |
| 15:37.34 | cga | yes, that' what i wanted |
| 15:37.44 | cga | if you wnat asu or others go for them |
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| 15:37.55 | Deubeuliou | I have ASU one the SD card |
| 15:37.58 | dbmoodb | SpeedEvil: i don't have the security repo listed for my debian yet (going to do that now) -- so i think i have the ird one being the openssl problem rofl |
| 15:38.15 | cga | asu it's very nice but doesn't work for me as a phone, i need the phone |
| 15:38.17 | Deubeuliou | I have to flash with the same kernel that is already on it ? |
| 15:38.27 | Deubeuliou | yeah, and I find it too slow |
| 15:38.37 | cga | Deubeuliou, what don't you understand of "it is BORKED" ?? |
| 15:38.55 | lindi- | dbmoodb: :) |
| 15:39.18 | kd8ikt | 1 week form today is my local linux user group (lug) i cant wait |
| 15:39.35 | kd8ikt | i'm gonna show off my phone ;) |
| 15:39.38 | cga | is you LUG what? |
| 15:39.47 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 15:40.02 | cga | you said is "my lug, i can't wait" |
| 15:40.27 | cga | and i ask.. is your lug $what_event? |
| 15:40.55 | kd8ikt | CLUG (C)incinnati (L)inux (U)ser (G)roup, and i said "my local LUG..." |
| 15:41.03 | cga | nevermind |
| 15:41.27 | cga | i might not understand the phrase since i'm not mothertongue |
| 15:41.57 | kd8ikt | only ruskies say mother(anything) |
| 15:42.06 | cga | meh |
| 15:42.11 | dbmoodb | motherbomb |
| 15:42.19 | cga | what's a rusky? |
| 15:42.27 | kd8ikt | Russian |
| 15:42.32 | johngay | An Americanism |
| 15:42.37 | cga | nope i am a mafia man XD |
| 15:42.54 | kd8ikt | KGB? |
| 15:43.03 | cga | mafia ====== i'm italian |
| 15:43.17 | kd8ikt | bah |
| 15:43.20 | cga | meh |
| 15:43.20 | dbmoodb | cga: yeah sure given enough relationships |
| 15:43.28 | dbmoodb | i'm god |
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| 15:43.33 | dbmoodb | apparently or something like that |
| 15:43.37 | cga | worships dbmoodb |
| 15:43.42 | dbmoodb | i may also be a trash can |
| 15:43.44 | johngay | I'm nobody. |
| 15:43.52 | cga | hello i'm a mac |
| 15:43.55 | johngay | And nobody's perfect (-= |
| 15:44.01 | si-m1 | Ruski is an american russian |
| 15:44.03 | kd8ikt | youre gay! thats counts for somethin |
| 15:44.20 | johngay | No I'm not. That's just my name. |
| 15:44.37 | kd8ikt | ... what your lastname is gay or somethin? |
| 15:44.57 | johngay | Yes. BTW, I'm actually extremely homophobic. |
| 15:45.09 | dbmoodb | johngay: hence the gay |
| 15:45.10 | kd8ikt | wow if that isnt irony i dunno what is |
| 15:45.13 | dbmoodb | its on your end |
| 15:45.17 | dbmoodb | or should i say bottom |
| 15:45.17 | Deubeuliou | do you know anybody whose lastname is "something" ? |
| 15:45.54 | johngay | You go through puberty with that name and see if you don't turn out homophobic (-= |
| 15:45.57 | Deubeuliou | I do know someone whose lastname is "nobody"(actually, in French) |
| 15:46.17 | dbmoodb | persona no-grata ? |
| 15:46.19 | cga | person? |
| 15:46.21 | kd8ikt | ah youre just repressed |
| 15:46.27 | kd8ikt | closet case |
| 15:46.37 | Deubeuliou | personne |
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| 15:47.12 | cga | Deubeuliou, i can speak a bit of french but i can't write none |
| 15:47.16 | kd8ikt | its latin |
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| 15:47.32 | dbmoodb | je'm apple dbmoodb, commonel tapples tu -- yes its very bad |
| 15:47.33 | cga | what's latin? personne? |
| 15:47.58 | Deubeuliou | no |
| 15:48.02 | Deubeuliou | personne is french |
| 15:48.09 | kd8ikt | :P like |
| 15:48.12 | Deubeuliou | I don't know the translation in latin ... |
| 15:48.19 | kd8ikt | Quid custodiet ipsos custodes |
| 15:48.24 | Rorschach | hehe |
| 15:48.33 | cga | ex falso quod libet |
| 15:48.46 | dbmoodb | uses babelfish ---OOOO we need a babelfish terminal program for the phone |
| 15:48.50 | kd8ikt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona_non_grata |
| 15:48.58 | cga | it's italian |
| 15:49.00 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: what i mean non* |
| 15:49.31 | dbmoodb | ah Quid custodiet ipsos custodes doesn't translate back to english from french...\ |
| 15:49.32 | kd8ikt | Quid custodiet ipsos custodes is better |
| 15:49.56 | dbmoodb | http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt |
| 15:49.58 | kd8ikt | because its fucking latin dbmoodb |
| 15:50.01 | dbmoodb | OH |
| 15:50.20 | dbmoodb | that's a dead language how should any one know that ? |
| 15:50.26 | edistar | lol |
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| 15:50.36 | kd8ikt | then why is it on US money? |
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| 15:50.43 | kd8ikt | monies |
| 15:50.44 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: no one told the us |
| 15:50.49 | Rorschach | dbmoodb: I learned it at school |
| 15:51.04 | cga | i studied it at college |
| 15:51.05 | Rorschach | latin rules |
| 15:51.10 | kd8ikt | and we just used it in here. so technicly its not dead |
| 15:51.12 | dbmoodb | its a dead language in the way there is no real way to pronounce the words any more / talk using it .. properly i think |
| 15:51.22 | edistar | dbmoodb: course there is |
| 15:51.26 | dbmoodb | like its not a spoken language anymore |
| 15:51.27 | cga | dbmoodb, you're worng |
| 15:51.29 | Rorschach | dbmoodb: there is! |
| 15:51.30 | dbmoodb | really ? |
| 15:52.10 | Rorschach | yes :) |
| 15:52.44 | cga | Rorschach, where are you from? |
| 15:52.54 | Rorschach | germany |
| 15:52.58 | cga | k |
| 15:53.16 | cga | german it's very latin like |
| 15:53.18 | dbmoodb | sleep time it might be midday there but its 2 am here |
| 15:53.33 | kd8ikt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes%3F |
| 15:53.38 | dbmoodb | german is very pure-- english is very muddled in comparison i am told ... |
| 15:53.47 | edistar | dbmoodb: gn8 |
| 15:54.02 | Rorschach | n8 dbmoodb |
| 15:54.10 | dbmoodb | nate ? |
| 15:54.13 | johngay | And American is even more screwed up that Engish. |
| 15:54.24 | cga | not to mention australian XD |
| 15:54.37 | dbmoodb | cga: australian is english - british + g'day |
| 15:54.41 | cga | lol |
| 15:54.47 | cga | you forgot mate |
| 15:54.55 | dbmoodb | the british have mate |
| 15:55.05 | dbmoodb | they do it often -- its cold there |
| 15:55.08 | cga | yeah but they don't say "g'day mate" |
| 15:55.34 | dbmoodb | cga: been to australia lately :) i live there we don't say that really... |
| 15:55.45 | cga | eh |
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| 15:56.02 | cga | been there in 2006 and plan to emigrate in 2010 |
| 15:56.37 | Rorschach | australia, this prison-island :) |
| 15:56.47 | cga | what a prison... |
| 15:56.49 | kd8ikt | i want to move anywhere there is public healthcare |
| 15:56.52 | johngay | That's all Paul Hogan's fault (-= Has he been lynched yet? |
| 15:57.10 | edistar | kd8ikt: cuba? |
| 15:57.13 | cga | croiky what a beauty! |
| 15:57.20 | Rorschach | cga: australia was a prison, britain sent there criminals there |
| 15:57.21 | kd8ikt | except cuba |
| 15:57.29 | cga | Rorschach, i know thanks =) |
| 15:57.33 | edistar | kd8ikt: why not? cuba is nic |
| 15:57.34 | edistar | e |
| 15:57.46 | kd8ikt | CHE GEUVERA |
| 15:57.54 | Rorschach | kd8ikt: germany has a good public health care but they are going to destruct it more and more |
| 15:57.55 | smooth_penguin | Hows finland, for a place to migrate to |
| 15:57.57 | smooth_penguin | :p |
| 15:58.02 | smooth_penguin | nokia land |
| 15:58.17 | cga | what about linux land? |
| 15:58.22 | Rorschach | finland == very very expensive alcohol |
| 15:58.33 | cga | then let's get on a boat and get drunk |
| 15:58.35 | smooth_penguin | Rorschach, I thought it rained vodka there |
| 15:58.38 | johngay | Typical British mentality. If you comit a crime, we'll deport you from cold, soggy England to nice, warm, wide-open Australia. |
| 15:58.42 | kd8ikt | take a ferry to amsterdam |
| 15:58.47 | edistar | johngay: :D |
| 15:58.52 | johngay | No wonder crime was so rife in England (-= |
| 15:59.02 | Rorschach | no scandinavia is very expensive and especially for alcohol |
| 15:59.25 | smooth_penguin | hows the IT market there |
| 15:59.27 | johngay | England has National Health. |
| 15:59.40 | edistar | johngay: that's a reason not to go there.. |
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| 15:59.53 | edistar | health service in cuba is 3x as good as the english.. |
| 16:00.27 | kd8ikt | france, canada, britian, and now germany are the main ones that stickout in my mind |
| 16:00.50 | kd8ikt | yeah but everything else probably sucks balls edistar |
| 16:00.56 | johngay | Shame the government is questionable with Castro hospitalized. |
| 16:01.08 | smooth_penguin | Hrm I want to work with open wifi networks, germany sounds fun |
| 16:01.09 | kd8ikt | he's still in the hospital? |
| 16:01.39 | edistar | kd8ikt: I'm in .nl just now, and .de is quite good too.. |
| 16:01.50 | kd8ikt | who's gonna take over if/when he dies |
| 16:02.19 | johngay | Last I heard. His brother is running things, but he's not expected to ever recover. |
| 16:02.19 | edistar | kd8ikt: his brother ;) it will collapse eventually |
| 16:02.19 | edistar | the US ist just too mean |
| 16:02.19 | kd8ikt | FOUL PLAY! his brother did it! |
| 16:02.22 | johngay | Question is how long will it be before they admit he's dead? |
| 16:02.37 | kd8ikt | with the candlestick in the study |
| 16:04.30 | kd8ikt | we should probably get back on topic now |
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| 16:05.09 | kd8ikt | who's up for making a #openmoko-offtopic ? |
| 16:06.04 | Rorschach | kd8ikt: shall I create one? |
| 16:06.21 | edistar | Rorschach: why not |
| 16:06.23 | Zorkman | lol looks like i missed quite a conversation |
| 16:06.24 | edistar | can't do any harm |
| 16:06.49 | kd8ikt | toolate made it |
| 16:07.04 | kd8ikt | havent registered it though |
| 16:07.18 | kd8ikt | and def dont feel like registering it |
| 16:07.41 | edistar | in offtopic it doesn't matter anyway |
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| 16:24.01 | blalien | I'm using kubuntu but I can't ssh to my freerunner now 2008.8 is flashed to it. Does anyone know why this is? |
| 16:24.42 | Rorschach | blalien: have you read the forum? |
| 16:24.52 | Rorschach | the wiki I mean |
| 16:24.55 | Rorschach | can you ping it? |
| 16:27.16 | blalien | Rorschach: Nope I can't ping it |
| 16:27.36 | Rorschach | did you do what is written in the wiki? |
| 16:28.44 | blalien | It is only recognized by dfu-util |
| 16:28.44 | blalien | Yeah I tried the Simple Manual Linux Configuration |
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| 16:31.11 | TAsn | is there an ebook (pdf and such) reader for the moko? |
| 16:31.13 | cga | blalien, simple manual and proxying will be enough |
| 16:31.17 | cga | same page |
| 16:31.23 | kd8ikt | try roboot or messing with usb cable in and out |
| 16:31.24 | cga | i do that everytime with ubuntu |
| 16:31.32 | cga | darn bug |
| 16:31.34 | TAsn | or should my friend try to compile xpdf or something from source? |
| 16:31.42 | cga | neither the script works |
| 16:31.47 | edistar | TAsn: yeah |
| 16:31.57 | TAsn | yeah to which? |
| 16:31.57 | TAsn | :) |
| 16:32.04 | edistar | compile |
| 16:32.13 | TAsn | i c. |
| 16:32.18 | TAsn | well i will tell him that. |
| 16:32.19 | TAsn | thanks. |
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| 16:35.10 | blalien | cga: when I try the simple manual it gives me an error message that no device is recognized |
| 16:35.35 | blalien | but I think it's very strange that it's recognized by dfu-util |
| 16:35.54 | cga | blalien, let me guess... were you able to ssh before? and you did okpg upgrade on 20072.? now the usb don't work!! |
| 16:36.09 | MadTBone | about to buy a microsdhc card for my gta02 ... anyone have a large (4GB+) that is confirmed working? |
| 16:36.21 | edistar | MadTBone: sandisk 8gb works here |
| 16:36.24 | blalien | cga: Nope I flashed it to 2008.8 |
| 16:36.29 | cga | MadTBone, sandisk 8/16GB are said to wirk |
| 16:36.32 | cga | *work |
| 16:36.41 | MadTBone | edistar and cga : thanks |
| 16:36.44 | cga | blalien, then i don't know sorry |
| 16:36.57 | blalien | cga: No problem, thanks for your help |
| 16:37.09 | lindi- | TAsn: apt-get install xpdf? ;) |
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| 16:38.56 | TAsn | lindi-, on the moko... ;0 |
| 16:39.05 | lindi- | TAsn: es |
| 16:39.12 | TAsn | yes? |
| 16:39.15 | lindi- | yes |
| 16:39.21 | TAsn | don't you mean at least opkg install? |
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| 16:39.26 | lindi- | no |
| 16:39.50 | edistar | lindi-: you should do adverts.. |
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| 16:40.06 | torindel | MrTuttle: kingston works |
| 16:40.19 | torindel | MadTBone: * ^ |
| 16:40.25 | TAsn | lindi-, i'm not running debian you know... |
| 16:40.30 | TAsn | *he is |
| 16:42.42 | lindi- | edistar: heh :) |
| 16:42.57 | lindi- | TAsn: but you can easily install it to chroot if you don't want to do full install |
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| 16:43.28 | TAsn | lindi-, im currently thinking about getting the binaries from it. |
| 16:43.31 | TAsn | should work |
| 16:43.34 | TAsn | (or so i think) |
| 16:43.43 | lindi- | TAsn: chroot |
| 16:43.55 | torindel | currently tries to bootstrap |
| 16:43.56 | TAsn | lindi-, chroot takes space |
| 16:44.00 | TAsn | just the binaries don't. |
| 16:44.09 | lindi- | TAsn: yeah, like 300M |
| 16:44.33 | edistar | Dave: #openmoko-offtopic.. feel free to join ;) |
| 16:44.42 | TAsn | which is ~299.99 more than he wants to use on xpdf. |
| 16:45.08 | lindi- | TAsn: 2G sd card costs like 8 euros |
| 16:45.37 | spdr_ | ×× ×¢×××× ×× ×צ××ק, ××פש |
| 16:45.40 | spdr_ | :0 |
| 16:45.44 | TAsn | lindi-, i know, even the gas burnt to the store costs more. |
| 16:45.49 | smooth_penguin | :O |
| 16:46.01 | TAsn | lindi-, but still, bloating isn't necessary. |
| 16:46.06 | torindel | lindi-: 8GB arent that expensive either |
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| 16:46.32 | TAsn | ×¢×××, ××× ×ש×××¢. |
| 16:46.45 | TAsn | lindi-, bloating is usually bad |
| 16:46.49 | spdr_ | פתר×× ×ת ××קר×ס××¤× :) |
| 16:47.06 | TAsn | there's no reason why he shouldn't take just the binaries or compile it himself |
| 16:47.41 | TAsn | ××, ××ת××× ××¨× ×§××, ×× ×ת××¢× ××× ×ש××× ××©× ×ת ××ר×× ××ת××× ×××ש ××× ×××ק×× ×ת ×××©× |
| 16:47.54 | TAsn | ×× ×× ×××ת ×¢×ש×× ×ת ××. |
| 16:47.59 | lindi- | TAsn: developer time costs, hacks like that are not usable long term :/ |
| 16:47.59 | TAsn | ××× ×¢××××, ××¨× ×¤×ª×¨××. |
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| 16:48.09 | TAsn | lindi-, developer time? |
| 16:48.18 | TAsn | we are just talking about compiling the damn thing |
| 16:48.21 | TAsn | not rewriting it. |
| 16:48.46 | TAsn | when we'll get to the bridge, we'll cross it. |
| 16:49.08 | TAsn | there's no reason not to use a working solution which is a lot "cheaper" |
| 16:49.20 | TAsn | lindi-, further more, he can remove it in a sec. |
| 16:49.33 | lindi- | but it seems to be slower to install :) |
| 16:49.35 | TAsn | lindi-, getting debian just for xpdf |
| 16:49.42 | TAsn | lindi-, compile over night. |
| 16:50.05 | TAsn | lindi-, going by your way of thinking he should just buy a laptop and glue it to the moko |
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| 16:50.13 | TAsn | and tada, laptops are cheap nowdays |
| 16:50.55 | edistar | TAsn: not such a bad idea :D |
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| 16:51.32 | TAsn | edistar, developers also thought about that (or so i think) that's why there's that hole on the bottom, it's for screwing on an eee ;0 |
| 16:51.39 | edistar | :P |
| 16:51.50 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: ASR33 |
| 16:51.53 | xmpp | there is an article on /. about debian on the neo freerunner. though it was not very informative to me. |
| 16:52.34 | KenYoung | xmpp, And the comments are the usual, misinformed stuff. |
| 16:52.35 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, what does that has to do with anything? :) |
| 16:52.58 | TAsn | well im going to grab something to eat. |
| 16:53.01 | TAsn | thanks everyone |
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| 16:53.59 | xmpp | most comments highlights the unstability/unreliability of the software |
| 16:54.32 | xmpp | i have the impression that openmoko has mostly bad press everywhere |
| 16:54.44 | KenYoung | xmpp, But a lot of them say, well who cares about OM, Android is coming soon, etc. |
| 16:55.24 | xmpp | android won't be open source so i don't care |
| 16:55.42 | Quai | sure you get bad press when most people tries to compare it to commercial phones... |
| 16:56.01 | KenYoung | xmpp, I agree completely. I'm using that as an example of how the /. comments show people don't understand OM. |
| 16:56.07 | xmpp | but android is google so many people will follow anyway |
| 16:56.34 | Quai | people just dont get that this is a developer phone |
| 16:58.26 | ugh_ | hi guys, im trying to run om in qemu, just to explore the state. - but i cannot click anything? didnt found a solution in the wiki or ml. any ideas? |
| 16:58.33 | xmpp | i'm ok with the developer phone quality, but i really wish right now that all efforts goes toward improving stability and usability of the phone features |
| 16:59.27 | Zorkman | agrees |
| 16:59.51 | Zorkman | phone usability and features should be top priority now |
| 17:00.10 | lindi- | i think making it easy to develop should be top priority :) |
| 17:00.14 | xmpp | make and receive calls flawlessly, with all day long battery life |
| 17:00.22 | mjr | what lindi said would be fine |
| 17:00.22 | ugh_ | i think its a good way to create these stable/testing/unstable repositories. |
| 17:00.23 | lindi- | it's not good if only a few people can hunt bugs and rest can only try premade images |
| 17:00.42 | mjr | will probably install debian soonish, so I can get something done |
| 17:01.09 | lindi- | just fixed xserver-xorg-input-tslib to work when rotated |
| 17:01.48 | mjr | yay |
| 17:01.55 | edistar | lindi-: hooray! |
| 17:02.16 | Zorkman | thumbs up for lindi- (and a kiss from the teacher :)) |
| 17:03.05 | xmpp | what i don't like is many people seem to focus on media player, bluetooth, gps... all of this is just useless without good phone support |
| 17:03.10 | mjr | (would like the debian system to have somehow workable sms though) |
| 17:04.42 | KenYoung | xmpp, I agree with you except for the GPS issue. SOme people, myself included, are more excited about having an easily programmable GPS device than having an easily programmable phone. |
| 17:05.19 | edistar | mjr: it does |
| 17:05.43 | mjr | edistar, okay, just lindi- I think had some problem with that when he showed me |
| 17:05.54 | mjr | but then, debian it is... at least I know how to develop for it ;] |
| 17:05.55 | xmpp | well it was marketed as a phone and i bought it for the phone. garmin and tom tom both make good linux based gps. |
| 17:06.37 | dottedmag | thinks about Slind-based distro for OM, but he busy enough with *one* ebedded distro |
| 17:06.44 | lindi- | mjr: i have not tried to debug the sms issue at all since i'm trying to get usable keyboard first |
| 17:06.56 | lindi- | so that i can debug without having to be on my PC |
| 17:07.17 | xmpp | the input should also be a priority. being a touchscreen only device, both numpad and full keyboard should have been a priority from the beginning, easy accessible and usable from everywhere |
| 17:07.36 | lindi- | mjr: btw, the wikidiff "+ * Replace the Android ringtone by a DFSG-fee one, maybe package it separately." is one more reason to use debian :) |
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| 17:19.00 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r298 10/ (6 files in 5 dirs): clean |
| 17:19.37 | zedstar | when opkg install gpsd returns 2 means cant find? |
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| 17:21.18 | ronny | zedstar: yeah |
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| 17:25.48 | SirBob1701 | i just had a weird on on my phone. Half the screen was flickering and all wacked out. restart fixed ti |
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| 17:44.00 | mmu_man | ohh, on /. http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/16/1525258 |
| 17:44.12 | mmu_man | runner-like calculator from HP maybe ? :) |
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| 17:46.11 | jopk | hi |
| 17:47.14 | jopk | I've got a problem with networking on 2007.2 . I can ping ips in the internet but not adresses . does this mean dns is not working properly? |
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| 17:53.20 | bumbl_ | jopk: yes |
| 17:53.28 | bumbl_ | check your resolv.conf |
| 17:53.41 | jopk | what is it supposed to contain? |
| 17:53.43 | bumbl_ | for me an ifdown usb0 helped |
| 17:54.09 | bumbl_ | jopk: your dns server (could be your local one too) |
| 17:54.28 | bumbl_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.45 | jopk | ok, does rebooting bring the same effect like ifdown ifup? |
| 17:55.03 | bumbl_ | only for usb0 |
| 17:55.24 | bumbl_ | and rebooting "does" more than ifdown && ifup |
| 17:56.46 | SirBob1701 | has anyone here tried the om-locations-map-pack program in 2008.8? it seems to lock my phone up |
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| 18:15.08 | froksen | Hey, when will there maybe be a new phone release ? (New hardware and so on? ) |
| 18:15.13 | froksen | New=Better |
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| 18:16.37 | mjr | nobody has any clue. I'm guessing next summer. |
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| 18:19.05 | froksen | mjr: Fair... Sounds like a good answer... Just tjeckt when the Neo 1973 was released... And that was last summer... So yeah it diffently sounds true :-) |
| 18:19.10 | froksen | So thanks :-) |
| 18:19.31 | froksen | But has the ASU improved the stability of the phone? |
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| 18:24.27 | Deubeuliou | the 2007.2 has no suspend feature for now, right ? |
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| 18:24.41 | Deubeuliou | cga, thanks a lot, it works like a charm now :) |
| 18:24.50 | cga | Deubeuliou, np |
| 18:25.01 | Deubeuliou | sorry for all my misunderstandness |
| 18:25.06 | cga | don't worry |
| 18:25.34 | cga | il'ì à pas de problem :P |
| 18:25.47 | Deubeuliou | \o/ |
| 18:26.00 | cga | (was that french?) |
| 18:26.05 | Deubeuliou | (quite) |
| 18:26.10 | cga | eh |
| 18:26.16 | cga | how is the correct form |
| 18:26.17 | cga | ? |
| 18:26.22 | xmpp | c'etait en francais |
| 18:26.22 | Tanuva | il n'y a pas de problème I'd say |
| 18:26.23 | Deubeuliou | but it is totally understable |
| 18:26.23 | Dave | cga |
| 18:26.32 | cga | Dave, |
| 18:26.32 | Zorkman | it looks a bit like french but isn't really it cga :p |
| 18:26.32 | Deubeuliou | right, Tanuva |
| 18:26.35 | Dave | cga, if you want, msg me what needs fixin' and I'll take a look at it when I can :) |
| 18:26.51 | cga | Dave, you mean the script? |
| 18:27.07 | Dave | Yes :] |
| 18:27.09 | cga | Zorkman, eh... i try |
| 18:27.14 | Dave | I have some time today, if you'd like =] |
| 18:27.21 | cga | i can speak a bit of french but i suck in writing it |
| 18:27.25 | Dave | :P |
| 18:27.28 | cga | Dave, ok |
| 18:27.29 | Dave | That's okay |
| 18:27.29 | Deubeuliou | I'm pretty much satisfied with my image, now. I should back it up :D |
| 18:27.32 | Dave | the french suck anyway :P |
| 18:27.33 | Dave | :D |
| 18:28.01 | mmu_man | ... |
| 18:28.02 | cga | Deubeuliou, use our wonderful script!!! XD (and wait for dfu-util bug to be solved) |
| 18:28.03 | Deubeuliou | puts a baguette in Dave's ass |
| 18:28.17 | Zorkman | crispy |
| 18:28.21 | cga | yammy |
| 18:28.28 | mmu_man | lol |
| 18:28.36 | mmu_man | see, french can be imaginative |
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| 18:29.11 | mmu_man | [18:51] *** Topic: Nothing to see here, move along - FOSDEM is months away! (*probably* Feb27+28 2009 ) |
| 18:29.17 | mmu_man | EBADCHAN |
| 18:29.21 | Zorkman | haha, a goof friend of mine sometimes pretends to speak french, she always says "j'ai deux zizi" es "ceci est un crayon rouge" :) |
| 18:29.25 | cga | Deubeuliou, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup#Interactive_script |
| 18:29.27 | Zorkman | goof=good :) |
| 18:29.35 | mmu_man | btw if you want to see OpenMoko at FOSDEM just tell them ;) |
| 18:29.38 | Dave | =dwaas |
| 18:29.40 | Dave | =Zorkman |
| 18:29.41 | Dave | :D |
| 18:29.43 | mmu_man | http://fosdem.org/2009/brainstorm |
| 18:29.59 | Zorkman | no, not dwaas, she's actually a really funny girl |
| 18:30.08 | Zorkman | and she likes FR's :) |
| 18:30.17 | Deubeuliou | ok cga |
| 18:30.17 | Dave | labiel? :P |
| 18:30.24 | Zorkman | yeah, labiel :) |
| 18:30.26 | Dave | XD |
| 18:30.46 | Zorkman | sh's going to visit cga; she's going on erasmus to italy in a few weeks she leaves, cga can seduce her with his FR |
| 18:30.59 | Dave | o_o |
| 18:31.05 | Deubeuliou | I'm gonna worship you. Can I woarsheep you ? |
| 18:31.07 | Dave | what what? |
| 18:31.12 | Dave | sounds bad :P |
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| 18:31.40 | cga | Zorkman, tell me who's her!! |
| 18:31.50 | cga | Deubeuliou, ? |
| 18:32.02 | mmu_man | ppl ask me if I'm english, I got 940/990 at TOEIC, yet I'm french |
| 18:32.10 | mmu_man | AFAIK :) |
| 18:32.42 | Deubeuliou | cga, you are my God, from now. My OpenMoko god |
| 18:32.42 | Deubeuliou | :p |
| 18:33.19 | cga | nah i'm not... i'm just a user that likes it and had fun with bash and people in here in the past days |
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| 18:36.17 | Deubeuliou | cga, my freerunner doesn't have the same usb ID as your oO |
| 18:36.28 | cga | oh dear |
| 18:36.29 | Deubeuliou | Bus 002 Device 025: ID 1457:5122 First International Computer, Inc. OpenMoko Neo1973 kernel cdc_ether USB network |
| 18:36.38 | Zorkman | damn you got a broken one Deubeuliou |
| 18:36.42 | Deubeuliou | lol |
| 18:36.44 | Deubeuliou | /o/ |
| 18:36.48 | cga | Deubeuliou, you have to boot it in NOR or NAND |
| 18:37.15 | Deubeuliou | ah, it shouldn't be booted, then ... okidoki |
| 18:37.59 | Deubeuliou | (yeah, of course... since it uses dfu-util ...) |
| 18:38.41 | Zorkman | anybody in here has a fon router? |
| 18:38.56 | Deubeuliou | yes |
| 18:39.12 | Deubeuliou | mine is having trouble, btw ... public signal is down :S |
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| 18:39.35 | Zorkman | is it a fonero or a fonero+ ? |
| 18:39.46 | Zorkman | and is the range adequate (compared with other routers) |
| 18:40.04 | arcnet|afk | omg... Input/output error on my 2Gig SanDisk SD Card... damn... |
| 18:40.14 | Deubeuliou | regular fonera. and it's range is better then my adsl box |
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| 18:40.46 | Zorkman | do you use it also to sell wifi acces? |
| 18:41.15 | Deubeuliou | not yet ... and where I live, I have quite no chance to have someone connected on it ^^ |
| 18:41.27 | Zorkman | I understand :) |
| 18:41.46 | Deubeuliou | but it still permits me to connect everywhere :D |
| 18:41.47 | mmaestri | hi all |
| 18:42.02 | mmaestri | someone using debian on fr? |
| 18:42.31 | Zorkman | me and my gf are going to move to an appartement, and I will need a router, if i can make here believe we might even make money of of it it will be easier :p |
| 18:42.37 | lindi- | yes |
| 18:42.39 | Zorkman | (jsut kidding, it seems to be very cheap :)) |
| 18:42.45 | Zorkman | ll mmaestri |
| 18:43.06 | Zorkman | Deubeuliou: can you send me an invite? i have another friend who has one, but i can't reach him atm |
| 18:43.19 | Zorkman | Deubeuliou: do you use a fontenna also? |
| 18:43.29 | mmaestri | i've just did a bash script to convert ipk files to deb |
| 18:44.03 | Deubeuliou | ok Zorkman. No, I don't have an antenna |
| 18:44.10 | Deubeuliou | uh, fontenna |
| 18:44.25 | Deubeuliou | sne dme your email by notice or PPM |
| 18:44.26 | Deubeuliou | PM |
| 18:44.43 | lindi- | mmaestri: wouldn't it be easier to package them normally? |
| 18:44.44 | Deubeuliou | s/sne dme/send me/ |
| 18:44.45 | mmaestri | it has a few glitches, but basic functionality works |
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| 18:45.11 | mmaestri | lindi-: and how would be that? |
| 18:45.25 | lindi- | mmaestri: i can teach you create debian packages |
| 18:46.06 | lindi- | mmaestri: tar xzvf foo-1.23.tar.gz && cd foo-1.23 && dh_make && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot && sudo dpkg -i ../foo*.deb is the basic template |
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| 18:48.02 | Deubeuliou | ow, si bad ... the only choices are krypton, elmer fudd or bork bork bork ... |
| 18:48.27 | Zorkman | thanks Deubeuliou! |
| 18:48.30 | Deubeuliou | Zorkman, sent. I go to eat |
| 18:48.36 | lindi- | mmaestri: feel free to ask for more info |
| 18:49.02 | Deubeuliou | np Zorkman. :) |
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| 18:50.03 | mmaestri | lindi-: so if I have an ipk package meant to work on any of the openmoko 'distros' (namely fso, 2007.2, 2008.8, etc) |
| 18:50.31 | mmaestri | and want to put it on debian |
| 18:50.38 | mmaestri | navit, for example |
| 18:50.52 | mmaestri | what do you recommend as steps to follow? |
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| 18:53.51 | mmaestri | lindi-: are you there? |
| 18:54.04 | lindi- | yes |
| 18:54.17 | lindi- | working out the dependencies |
| 18:54.35 | mmaestri | lindi-: on navit? |
| 18:54.53 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.46 | Dave | :) |
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| 18:58.13 | cga | is listening to The Incredible String Band - This Moment - Album: I Looked Up |
| 18:59.47 | mmaestri | lindi-: i was trying to figure out a way to use existing ipk packages on debian. the only caveat i've found was that ipk packages depend on other ipk packages that don't have same name as deb packages |
| 18:59.51 | mmaestri | i thing |
| 19:00.02 | mmaestri | s/g/k/ |
| 19:00.08 | lindi- | mmaestri: but if you can't even build them how would anybody debug them? |
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| 19:00.48 | mmaestri | yes apt, i think ;) |
| 19:01.45 | cga | does anyone have a solution/file that solves the echoes and audio problems when calling???? please thanks |
| 19:01.50 | mmaestri | lindi-: i can build them, or at least it seems so |
| 19:01.54 | cga | (a link would be fine too) |
| 19:01.59 | lindi- | mmaestri: any idea why it fails here like that? |
| 19:02.07 | lindi- | i'll document the steps soon |
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| 19:05.06 | mmaestri | lindi-: i haven't tried to compile it, i was just messing with existing ipk packages. i'll try to build from source and see what happens |
| 19:05.50 | lindi- | mmaestri: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/navit.txt |
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| 19:06.30 | Dave | Zorkman: meer spelen!! |
| 19:08.01 | cga | Dave, meer sprungen! |
| 19:08.52 | Zorkman | llo dave |
| 19:09.46 | Zorkman | we're waiting for you @ #openmoko-offtopic |
| 19:10.39 | Zorkman | i made my first usb-hub device :) |
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| 19:11.12 | zash | there should be a #openmoko-scandinavia |
| 19:11.37 | Infoport | mmm...fresh brunch with ingredients from the co-op and my garden! I'm stuffed! time to sit outside with a cigar and my FR |
| 19:11.39 | Zorkman | do you know that manyblond round-chested girls that like FR'? :) |
| 19:13.24 | Kagee | I get the feeling that the FreRunner battery is somhow compadible/equal to a Nokia BL-5C battery? |
| 19:13.35 | Zorkman | Kagee: it says so on the wiki |
| 19:13.59 | Kagee | i'm just reading getting started right now. Says where? |
| 19:14.10 | Zorkman | sec, i'll search |
| 19:14.32 | Arcnet | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery |
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| 19:14.40 | Kagee | o, i just found that link |
| 19:14.42 | Arcnet | faster, faster, faster hihihi:-P |
| 19:14.59 | Zorkman | Arcnet is defying the laws of physics with his speed :) |
| 19:15.23 | Zorkman | btw: welcome to our FR-club (since you're just getting started) |
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| 19:16.45 | Kagee | :-( I'll get my phone tuesday at the earliest |
| 19:17.14 | cga | ah-ah! (quote nelson) |
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| 19:18.27 | Zorkman | don't worry Kagee , we'll leave some bugs left for you to fix ;-) |
| 19:19.12 | Kagee | Thanks :) What's up with the «DO NOT USE buildhost...» message? |
| 19:19.22 | Zorkman | :) |
| 19:19.31 | Zorkman | you can use buildhost, but you won't get ASU/2008. |
| 19:19.36 | Zorkman | *ASU/2008.8 |
| 19:19.46 | Zorkman | you'll get a funky image, but it's not that bad :) |
| 19:19.55 | Zorkman | 2007.2 images are also still hosted at buildhost |
| 19:20.42 | cga | Kagee, keep 2007.2 in NAND and others in SD if you want to try them... so you have at least a working phone and can choose between other OSes |
| 19:22.28 | Kagee | Is it so that i can play with 2007.2 when i'm home, and boot i.e Qutopia (SD) if i actually need the phone? |
| 19:22.34 | Zorkman | jup |
| 19:22.57 | Zorkman | although installing qtopia is more difficult on the sd than 2007.2 or 2008.8 |
| 19:23.19 | Zorkman | i would recommend qtopia on flash and the other OS on flash then |
| 19:23.21 | cga | Kagee, well i use 2007.2 as phone and apart for some annoying echo it works pretty well |
| 19:23.42 | Zorkman | cga: you can dimminuish the echo by setting the volume lower |
| 19:23.45 | mmaestri | lindi-: the error refers to mapset.h |
| 19:23.53 | Kagee | *fast forwarding to tuesday* |
| 19:24.06 | cga | Zorkman, which volume? have a link? (i'm searching the wiki) |
| 19:24.26 | mmaestri | which is in src directory |
| 19:24.47 | lpotter | doesnt recommend running anything from sd |
| 19:24.48 | Zorkman | i found it once while playing with the alsamixer.... |
| 19:25.20 | cga | eh which set? XD |
| 19:25.53 | mmaestri | wonders why lpotter says so |
| 19:26.07 | Zorkman | btw cga: did you change /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state (mic2 value) |
| 19:26.14 | cga | Zorkman, yes |
| 19:26.38 | Zorkman | mmaestri, lpotter: i have never had problems with running from SD, only once 2008.8 wouldn't bnot (i think it corrupted the sd) |
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| 19:28.25 | cga | Zorkman, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Better_mixer_settings |
| 19:28.29 | cga | \0/ |
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| 19:30.12 | Arcnet | those setting make it better, but a friend of mime still complains because of poor quality :( |
| 19:30.36 | cga | arf |
| 19:30.45 | Zorkman | yeah i also used them, but my gf doesn't like calling when my sim is i nthe FR :( |
| 19:30.55 | cga | i'll be happy if they can get me rid of the echo |
| 19:31.03 | Zorkman | no echo here |
| 19:31.24 | cga | Zorkman, would you pass me you *.state? |
| 19:31.31 | cga | *your |
| 19:31.31 | Arcnet | No echo here as well, but buzzing and such |
| 19:31.40 | cga | here only echoes |
| 19:32.07 | Zorkman | i'm still waiting for someone to make a voice-deformer :) |
| 19:32.39 | Arcnet | You can use Mic2 and the mixer right of Mic2 to adjust it (you should call someone else while adjusting it and do NOT forget to save you setting back to the state file :-D) |
| 19:32.58 | Arcnet | At least that solved echo for me |
| 19:33.16 | cga | eh |
| 19:33.46 | Zorkman | what? hat? at? at? t? |
| 19:35.30 | sevenhundred | argh, kernel panic! |
| 19:35.55 | Zorkman | mmmmm kernel pancake |
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| 19:36.12 | Arcnet | that's one of the few things I did not have yet |
| 19:36.29 | sevenhundred | It\s not that great actually |
| 19:37.01 | Arcnet | yeah, what did you do? or was it just random? |
| 19:38.25 | sevenhundred | well, it all started when I messed up my installation of debian |
| 19:39.20 | blalien | I love pancake's |
| 19:39.21 | cga | Zorkman, would you *please* pass me your *.state? i want to vimdiff/try them |
| 19:39.45 | sevenhundred | somehow, the automatic install script failed to realize I had set the SD_PART1_FS to vfat |
| 19:40.10 | Zorkman | ok, np cga |
| 19:40.13 | sevenhundred | "no problem", I thought in my folly |
| 19:40.21 | Zorkman | but i don't know if i didn't play with it and save it since i used it :p |
| 19:40.32 | cga | arf |
| 19:40.40 | cga | do you experience echoes? |
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| 19:41.51 | malik1972 | any news concerning the "loose of partition table" bug? |
| 19:43.12 | cga | Zorkman, try again please |
| 19:43.23 | sevenhundred | one thing led to another, and I decided to manually upload the uboot-env, edit it in nano and download it again |
| 19:43.24 | LetoTo | is uboot 1.3.2 good enough to boot 2008.08 from flash and the debian one from SDcard? |
| 19:43.41 | LetoTo | prefers not to update uboot if not really needed |
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| 19:43.44 | sevenhundred | that was stupid |
| 19:43.48 | Zorkman | cga: http://pastebin.com/m42c949a5 |
| 19:43.53 | Zorkman | no echo's |
| 19:43.58 | cga | cool thanks |
| 19:44.05 | Arcnet | LetoTo: If you set SD_PART1_FS=vfat it is ok |
| 19:45.09 | cga | Zorkman, ?_? is that a .state? |
| 19:46.16 | Zorkman | cga: http://www.sendspace.com/file/gmw1fi |
| 19:46.49 | cga | thanks Zorkman |
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| 19:47.24 | Zorkman | np |
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| 19:49.23 | Dave | ^_^ |
| 19:49.37 | Dave | zorkman!? |
| 19:50.05 | Zorkman | yeah dave? |
| 19:50.57 | mmaestri | ping lindi- |
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| 19:53.02 | Nuitari | where do I report problems with packages (in this case an empty package) in the daily-feed? |
| 19:53.29 | Zorkman | bugtracker? |
| 19:53.51 | Nuitari | Ok |
| 19:54.23 | cga | Zorkman, the file get borked on the web -.- |
| 19:55.23 | LetoTo | hahah. a pair of boots :) |
| 19:55.24 | cga | Zorkman, try to gzip it and send it/put it somewhere |
| 19:55.29 | Zorkman | k |
| 19:55.52 | cga | luckily enough i always backup first! |
| 19:56.10 | LetoTo | haha. a pair of boots while booting :) |
| 19:56.20 | sevenhundred | I also get psychedelic colors from u-boot -_- |
| 19:56.53 | ArteK | cga: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1267/gsmhandset.state |
| 19:57.17 | mmaestri | lindi-: did you figured out how to compile it? |
| 19:57.19 | cga | ArteK, thanks! |
| 19:57.26 | ArteK | cga: np |
| 19:58.09 | Nuitari | also which package should I install to get the full white keyboard in Om2007.02 ? |
| 19:58.39 | cga | Nuitari, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards |
| 19:59.02 | Zorkman | cga : http://www.turboupload.com/download/u21jq8WT2GVm/gsmhandset.rar |
| 19:59.07 | Nuitari | cga: thanks! |
| 19:59.43 | Zorkman | dave: i'm watchin ARD at the moment :):) |
| 19:59.46 | LetoTo | 2008.08 has no software fix for TTFF ? |
| 20:00.05 | Zorkman | germans are once again performing crazy schlagers on telefivion in a big room filled with old people :) |
| 20:00.17 | Zorkman | LetoTo: the fixes are in the kernel |
| 20:01.06 | Zorkman | where are the germans now? and are they not ashamed? |
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| 20:01.16 | Zorkman | ^^ |
| 20:03.23 | sevenhundred | don't mention the war! |
| 20:03.29 | Zorkman | :) |
| 20:03.57 | zedstar_ | anyone seriously bored who has a working gpsd wanna try out some software? |
| 20:03.58 | almien | you started it! |
| 20:04.24 | Zorkman | zedstar_: sure, as long as it is foolproof :) |
| 20:04.32 | sevenhundred | I wish I was bored |
| 20:04.50 | lindi- | mmaestri: yes |
| 20:04.52 | zedstar_ | zorkman ah it is a bit ghetto to setup right now but if u can use the command line it is okay ;) |
| 20:05.20 | Zorkman | if you tell me what to type, np :) |
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| 20:05.29 | Arcnet | is german, but instead of viewing ARD I'm listening Blind Guardian right now ;-) |
| 20:05.39 | zedstar_ | zorkman u got a freerunner? first need to get some ipks |
| 20:05.45 | Zorkman | Arcnet: ARD is just too funny atm :p |
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| 20:07.07 | Zorkman | yeah i've got a gta02v5, 2007.2 installed on flash and 2008.080.13 on rootfs |
| 20:07.14 | Zorkman | bring on the ipks |
| 20:07.38 | zedstar_ | zorkman ok cool.... http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=136 |
| 20:07.57 | Zorkman | which one do i need to install? |
| 20:08.01 | Zorkman | all three? |
| 20:08.08 | zedstar_ | zorkman first see if those 3 ipks on there will install....i not tried on a freerunner i got a 1973 yeh the 3 of em |
| 20:09.34 | Dave | More gamen! |
| 20:09.45 | Dave | ze freerunner, she needs more power! |
| 20:10.25 | Zorkman | she can't take anymore cp'tain! |
| 20:10.47 | bumbl | Dave: the freerunner needs a faster nand |
| 20:11.07 | Zorkman | ipk's are installed zedstar_ |
| 20:12.04 | Tanuva | we need some fuel cell or solar panels as case :D |
| 20:12.30 | zedstar_ | zorkman ok cool...there is a db file that need to be put on the machine which is erm in cvs for some reason but anywhere here http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmcvs/cvsweb.php/thumbtribes_project/misc/?cvsroot=thumbtribes |
| 20:12.48 | zedstar_ | zorkman the btlog.db file can u put in /var/lib/misc |
| 20:13.24 | Zorkman | done |
| 20:13.36 | zedstar_ | zorkman can u see if btlogger is working just run btlogger -v |
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| 20:13.57 | zedstar_ | zorkman or turn bluetooth on |
| 20:13.59 | Zorkman | how do i check if it works? |
| 20:14.03 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02:/var/lib/misc# btlogger -v |
| 20:14.03 | Zorkman | btlogger:main: opening database: /var/lib/misc/btlog.db |
| 20:14.12 | Zorkman | it failed to discover devices |
| 20:14.14 | zedstar_ | zorkman ok it will scan in 20 seconds or something |
| 20:14.21 | Zorkman | looks right |
| 20:14.31 | zedstar_ | zorkman ok...cool that just logs any bt devices to the db |
| 20:14.37 | Zorkman | i have a ps3 that i won but haven't used, that has a bt controller i think |
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| 20:15.11 | zedstar_ | zorkman ok need a dbus service file in place on that last link there is org.zedstar.Thumbtribes.service need to put that in hang on... |
| 20:15.55 | zedstar_ | zorkman in /usr/share/dbus-1/services |
| 20:16.26 | Zorkman | done |
| 20:16.53 | zedstar_ | zorkman ok cool...u can stop that btlogger...and manually id my bt mac address your database using... |
| 20:17.29 | Zorkman | no disrespect but what do i have to do?? i stopped scanning |
| 20:18.07 | zedstar_ | btlogger -i 00:0D:3C:38:11:D6 -n zedstar |
| 20:18.11 | Zorkman | btw i get Failed to discover devices: Method "DiscoverDevices" with signature "" on interface "org.bluez.Adapter" doesn't exist |
| 20:18.14 | Zorkman | when i scan |
| 20:18.24 | zedstar_ | zorkman u didnt turn bt on i guess |
| 20:18.33 | zedstar_ | zorkman anyway dont need it right now |
| 20:18.34 | Zorkman | i'll search the wiki how to do that |
| 20:18.44 | zedstar_ | zorkman i u manually add me |
| 20:19.41 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02:/usr/share/dbus-1/services# btlogger:main: added id:00:0D:3C:38:11 |
| 20:19.41 | Zorkman | :D6 name:zedstar |
| 20:19.41 | Zorkman | -sh: btlogger:main:: not found |
| 20:19.41 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02:/usr/share/dbus-1/services# btlogger -i 00:0D:3C:38:11:D6 -n zedst |
| 20:19.41 | Zorkman | ar |
| 20:19.42 | Zorkman | SQL error: (null) |
| 20:19.44 | Zorkman | btlogger:main: added id:00:0D:3C:38:11:D6 name:zedstar |
| 20:21.04 | zedstar_ | zorkman hmm ok not sure that...can see if u can run thumbtribes on the device itself in a terminal |
| 20:22.35 | Zorkman | btw: i did manually turn on bluetooth (echo 1 thingy) but still get "org.bluez.Adapter" doesn't exist |
| 20:23.13 | Zorkman | how do i manually run thumtribes? |
| 20:23.28 | zedstar_ | zorkman u got a terminal on your neo? |
| 20:23.46 | Zorkman | sure |
| 20:24.06 | zedstar_ | zorkman just enter thumbtribes that shud start the dbus daemon and return to the prompt |
| 20:24.30 | Zorkman | (hehe, i did that but with a typo) |
| 20:24.39 | Zorkman | it says it is ready |
| 20:25.20 | zedstar_ | zorkman btw if u run hictool dev does it give your mac address/ |
| 20:25.43 | Zorkman | on the neo or ssh'd? |
| 20:25.51 | zedstar_ | zorkman u can do it over ssh |
| 20:26.10 | Zorkman | -sh: hictool: not found |
| 20:26.22 | zedstar_ | zorkman opps hcitool i meant |
| 20:26.38 | Zorkman | -sh: opps: not found |
| 20:26.44 | Zorkman | (i'm probably very stupid, sorry :)) |
| 20:26.50 | Zorkman | ah |
| 20:26.51 | Zorkman | i get it :) |
| 20:26.56 | zedstar_ | zorkman dont worry |
| 20:27.03 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02:/usr/share/dbus-1/services# hcitool dev |
| 20:27.03 | Zorkman | Devices: |
| 20:27.45 | zedstar_ | zorkman ok your bt is definately not up it shud give the mac address of the device...anyway.. |
| 20:28.15 | zedstar_ | zorkman on the device can u try and run thumbclient -i foo |
| 20:28.27 | Zorkman | i did echo 1 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on |
| 20:28.48 | zedstar_ | zorkman on the 1973 i just turn on bt from the panel icon |
| 20:28.56 | zedstar_ | zorkman not sure how it differs on freerunner |
| 20:29.12 | Zorkman | i also turned it on on the panel.... |
| 20:29.38 | Zorkman | wait! i've got it |
| 20:29.46 | Zorkman | needed to echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset |
| 20:30.34 | zedstar_ | zorkman does hcitool dev give the id now? |
| 20:30.52 | Zorkman | jup |
| 20:30.59 | Zorkman | it show up as hci0 |
| 20:31.11 | zedstar_ | zorkman ok try btlogger -v now to see if that works |
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| 20:32.30 | Zorkman | it seems to work zedstar_: btlogger:main: opening database: /var/lib/misc/btlog.db |
| 20:32.30 | Zorkman | btlogger:discovery_started: |
| 20:32.30 | Zorkman | btlogger:discovery_completed: |
| 20:32.45 | zedstar_ | zorkman ok is working but u not got any bt devices around |
| 20:33.00 | Zorkman | but i have my ps3 controller right next to it..that should be bluetooth... |
| 20:33.21 | zedstar_ | zorkman it broadcast itself? |
| 20:34.11 | Zorkman | don't know.. supposed it did |
| 20:34.18 | zedstar_ | zorkman anyway can u on the device try and run thumbclient -i <your bt mac address> |
| 20:34.32 | Zorkman | i have a phone now near it |
| 20:34.42 | Zorkman | it works |
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| 20:34.47 | Zorkman | btlogger:remote_name_updated: 00:1E:3B:16:E6:BD, Nokia 2630 |
| 20:35.08 | zedstar_ | zorkman ok cool...all btlogger does it log anything it sees to that db |
| 20:35.29 | Zorkman | btw zedstar_: can't i DISPLAY=:0 it instead of typing on the phone? |
| 20:36.11 | zedstar_ | zorkman sure.......just ssh in running dbus daemons had some issues |
| 20:36.16 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * r7b1b64007cbb 10/illume/illume/ (25 files): illume-theme: Sync theme with upstream illume. Add pixmaps for busywin. |
| 20:36.16 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * r1e497e1b9f2e 10/illume-config/ (e.src module.battery.src module.illume.src): |
| 20:36.16 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: illume-config: Upstream version of the illume config files. Need to adjust to |
| 20:36.17 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: FSO needs |
| 20:36.50 | Zorkman | (do i type hci0 or the mac adres?) |
| 20:36.59 | zedstar_ | zorkman the mac address |
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| 20:39.06 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * r028de6a7036b 10/illume-config/e.src: illume-config: Disable clock module |
| 20:39.11 | Zorkman | ok i did that |
| 20:39.23 | Zorkman | it says thumbclient: Starting main loop. |
| 20:39.43 | Zorkman | trying to g et coordinates from gpsd, and then it says it failed |
| 20:39.48 | zedstar_ | zorkman ok great....it will try and ping in if it reads coordinates from gpsd but i guess u not got signal |
| 20:40.18 | zedstar_ | zorkman u able to get a fix by any chance? |
| 20:40.49 | Zorkman | i'll open agpsui and try to get a fix |
| 20:41.07 | zedstar_ | zorkman ok cool...if not it is possible to manually send some |
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| 20:44.05 | Zorkman | mmm agps-ui always hangs |
| 20:44.37 | zedstar_ | zorkman on the thumbclient is saying it ping in cordinates? |
| 20:45.22 | Zorkman | (i stopped the thumbclient because it interferrend with agps-ui, i'm going to try to get a fix and then re-run the script) |
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| 20:47.14 | zedstar_ | zorkman ok u will need to issue a disconnect to the daemon but just kill -9 thumbtribes and start it again quicker |
| 20:47.59 | cjb | hmph, FSO 2 is throwing away my saved contacts at reboot :( |
| 20:48.17 | Zorkman | ok i got a fix will try the program again |
| 20:48.31 | zedstar_ | zorkman killall -9 thumbtribes and start it again |
| 20:48.38 | zedstar_ | zorkman the run the thumbclient again |
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| 20:54.36 | Zorkman | now i get another error: Failed to get the primary well-known name. (requestName result!=1) |
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| 20:55.45 | zedstar_ | zorkman can u kill the thumbtribes process? |
| 20:56.33 | Zorkman | did it :) |
| 20:56.38 | Zorkman | and now it seems to work |
| 20:56.47 | Zorkman | :ready to server requests (daemonizing) |
| 20:57.01 | zedstar_ | zorkman ok u can run thumbclient again |
| 20:57.08 | Zorkman | on the phone? |
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| 20:58.17 | zedstar_ | zorkman yeh i think dbus doesnt like it over ssh |
| 20:58.27 | Zorkman | when i run it on the phone i get an error, it seems to require a mac adres |
| 20:58.49 | zedstar_ | zorkman yeh u need to specify -i and your mac address like before |
| 20:58.54 | Zorkman | k |
| 20:59.17 | Zorkman | starting main loop |
| 20:59.41 | Zorkman | is getting curious what this thing is gonna do :p |
| 21:00.05 | Zorkman | it gets the gps data |
| 21:00.15 | Zorkman | then ping count=2 |
| 21:00.22 | Zorkman | then SQL error: no such table: log |
| 21:00.22 | zedstar_ | zorkman ok great... |
| 21:00.40 | Zorkman | so can you now send the feds to my house? :p |
| 21:00.58 | Arcnet | hehe, zedstar_ will take over the world with our phones - all hail zedstar_, master of all mokos! |
| 21:01.01 | zedstar_ | zorkman ok...something up with the db.....it is seeing 2 others users thopugh which si good |
| 21:02.17 | zedstar_ | zorkman that db file can u copy it on to your linux box and we see whats in it |
| 21:03.11 | Zorkman | which one? |
| 21:03.28 | zedstar_ | zorkman i getting your distance reading on the server which is cool u about 300kms from me |
| 21:03.36 | Zorkman | nice :) |
| 21:03.45 | zedstar_ | zorkman /var/lib/misc/btlog.db |
| 21:03.53 | Zorkman | but why the hell do you need bluetooth for that? :) |
| 21:04.41 | zedstar_ | zorkman oh the bt part is u learn users automatically then stalk them ;) |
| 21:04.42 | zedstar_ | zorkman oh the bt part is u learn users automatically u come in contact with then u stalk them ;) |
| 21:04.44 | Zorkman | zedstar_: it's empty |
| 21:05.13 | zedstar_ | zorkman i think that db file is corrupt can make on on desktop |
| 21:05.42 | Zorkman | i nano'd it on the FR |
| 21:05.56 | Zorkman | but there is another file: |
| 21:06.16 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.29 | Zorkman | maybe there is a problem in your script? |
| 21:06.42 | zedstar_ | zorkman i think it wasnt saved right...it shud be a sqlite db file |
| 21:07.02 | Zorkman | the file btlog.db?cvsroot=thumbtribes does have input |
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| 21:07.38 | zedstar_ | zorkman btlog.db shud be a sqlite file...u got sqlite3 on your pc? |
| 21:07.48 | Zorkman | nope |
| 21:08.03 | Zorkman | (currently windows still booted... need solidworks a lot lately) |
| 21:08.36 | zedstar_ | zorkman i think saving that file from cvs messed it up cos supposed to be a binary db file |
| 21:08.49 | zedstar_ | zorkman so u not access to linux other than phone? |
| 21:09.14 | Zorkman | yes i am ssh'd in to the phone and also have scp acces |
| 21:09.32 | zedstar_ | zorkman can u install sqlite on your box/ |
| 21:09.56 | zedstar_ | zorkman actually ill just put a new db file up for u to download is easier |
| 21:10.16 | Zorkman | ok, whatever suits you, i acn also send you that file i have |
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| 21:10.45 | ajbrun | my phone won't boot :( |
| 21:10.53 | zedstar_ | zorkman givus a sec ill add my id |
| 21:10.59 | Zorkman | np |
| 21:11.07 | Zorkman | i'll go get something to drink and stuff my pipe |
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| 21:13.40 | lloyd_fedora | what om software version comes with the freerunner ? |
| 21:13.50 | ajbrun | 2007.2 |
| 21:14.02 | LetoTo | root@om-gta02:~# opkg update |
| 21:14.02 | LetoTo | Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.gz |
| 21:14.02 | LetoTo | Inflating http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.gz |
| 21:14.02 | LetoTo | Updated list of available packages in /var/lib/opkg/daily-Multiverse |
| 21:14.02 | LetoTo | Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository//Multiverse/Packages.sig |
| 21:14.03 | LetoTo | Signature check failed |
| 21:14.05 | LetoTo | hmm :) |
| 21:14.19 | Zorkman | tht's normal |
| 21:14.28 | LetoTo | no it is not :) |
| 21:14.32 | lloyd_fedora | thanks ajbrun |
| 21:14.43 | zedstar_ | zorkman ok...http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/313/btlog.db |
| 21:14.47 | LetoTo | it also aborts on it :P |
| 21:14.50 | Zorkman | signatures are not yet implemùenten LetoTo |
| 21:14.55 | zedstar_ | zorkman stick that on in /var/lib/misc |
| 21:14.59 | Zorkman | k |
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| 21:15.50 | zedstar_ | zorkman kill the thumbtribes and thumbclient and try again shud work then! |
| 21:16.24 | LetoTo | so then it shouldnt check them, and fail on using opkg update? |
| 21:16.57 | LetoTo | so how does one disable these signatures? |
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| 21:19.31 | LetoTo | oh i see. i should ignore it i think |
| 21:19.40 | Zorkman | zedstar_: i get Thumbtribes not provided by any .Service files |
| 21:19.42 | LetoTo | its not a fatal error. its not clear from the error message |
| 21:19.46 | Zorkman | need to add you again? |
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| 21:20.14 | zedstar_ | zorkman can u run thumbtribes manually |
| 21:20.21 | ajbrun | what are my options if my FR won't boot? I have it plugged into the wall and nothing's happening |
| 21:20.22 | ronny | oh, my fso2 wont actually wake up from sleep when called |
| 21:20.35 | Zorkman | i'm running i manually |
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| 21:21.28 | zedstar_ | zorkman on device itself if just run the thumbclient it shud start that up if the service file still there |
| 21:21.45 | ronny | oh, its sleeping again ?! |
| 21:22.21 | Zorkman | zedstar_: i'm running thumbtribes on the phone (i type it in the terminal) |
| 21:22.27 | Zorkman | *thumbclient i meant :) |
| 21:22.38 | Zorkman | should first run thumbtribes i guess :) sec |
| 21:23.46 | Zorkman | ok, "we got signal" :) |
| 21:24.08 | henkie | does om2008.8 already have the gps fix in-kernel? |
| 21:24.24 | Zorkman | yes |
| 21:24.46 | Zorkman | and congratz on the most dutch nick :) |
| 21:25.17 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * r551dd7dc53f0 10/illume/illume/freerunner.edc: illume-theme: Remove flaunch |
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| 21:27.06 | henkie | works now |
| 21:27.08 | henkie | and tnx :) |
| 21:27.31 | henkie | is it possible to sync the time with gps? |
| 21:27.50 | lpotter | sure, anything is possible |
| 21:27.52 | Zorkman | yes, gpssight can do that |
| 21:28.04 | Zorkman | but gpssight doesn't work well on my OS for the moment |
| 21:28.22 | Zorkman | haha |
| 21:28.23 | Zorkman | zedstar |
| 21:28.29 | Zorkman | you are 321.586 km away :) |
| 21:28.42 | zedstar_ | zorkman cool u getting the notifications sweet |
| 21:28.44 | Zorkman | someone else (Bluez) is closer :) |
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| 21:28.52 | Zorkman | how do i set my name? |
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| 21:28.58 | Zorkman | (how do you see my device?) |
| 21:29.05 | zedstar_ | zorkman well it just uses your bluetooth broadcast name |
| 21:29.31 | zedstar_ | zorkman so it learns it when u come in contact with people |
| 21:29.54 | zedstar_ | zorkman thanks very much for testing....i owe u a beer |
| 21:30.00 | Zorkman | how do i change my broadcast name? |
| 21:30.12 | Zorkman | np zedstar_, thanks for programming this |
| 21:30.21 | Zorkman | and about that beer: i'll know how to find you :p ;) |
| 21:30.24 | zedstar_ | zorkman.....hmm good question.....on the neo im not sure lol |
| 21:30.47 | zedstar_ | zorkman but generally u can set it to something offensive ! |
| 21:30.57 | Zorkman | nice way to play hide and seek :) |
| 21:31.19 | zedstar_ | zorkman i wanna add moods to it set via accelometers....eg shake a lot for horny |
| 21:31.27 | Zorkman | :d:d:d |
| 21:31.37 | Zorkman | btw: sometimes you're 2km closer :s |
| 21:31.43 | Zorkman | some glitches in gps perhaps |
| 21:31.54 | zedstar_ | zorkman oh no that one is running a gpsfake log |
| 21:31.58 | lloyd_fedora | does gps work with 2007.2 |
| 21:32.04 | zedstar_ | zorkman some journey around london i thnk |
| 21:32.26 | Zorkman | lloyd_fedora: it works fine |
| 21:32.48 | zedstar_ | zorkman really appreciate the time to test cos i dont own a freerunner yet so no idea how it would install etc |
| 21:33.04 | zedstar_ | zorkman i need to write a panel applet to control the lot so no command line crap |
| 21:33.11 | DemisM | what exactly is openmoko and neo-freerunner, quick explanation? |
| 21:33.11 | Zorkman | np zedstar; its a nice break from my usual work :) |
| 21:33.46 | Zorkman | DemisM: openmoko is the company, that made two phone sofar: the neo1973, codename gta01, and the Freerunner, codename gta02 |
| 21:33.51 | mjr | a free smartphone operating system and a phone made to run it, respectively |
| 21:34.00 | Zorkman | DemisM: it is an openphone; software AND ardware |
| 21:34.06 | zedstar_ | zorkman basically tho it is very light weight this and uses very little network connection so works well over gprs etc |
| 21:34.32 | Zorkman | i like it zedstar_, it works :-D |
| 21:35.04 | zedstar_ | zorkman thanks.....part of my social experiments software ;) |
| 21:35.54 | DemisM | cool thanks |
| 21:36.07 | lloyd_fedora | where can i check the list of software available for 2007.2 |
| 21:36.59 | zedstar_ | zorkman i will try and explain it better on the wiki section http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?id=136&type=g |
| 21:38.10 | zedstar_ | time for more beer |
| 21:38.31 | Zorkman | looks nicelly documented |
| 21:38.54 | Zorkman | zedstar_ if you're in belgium i'll give you one of our beersn better than those english ones ;) |
| 21:39.20 | zedstar_ | zorkman cheers! |
| 21:39.29 | Zorkman | cheers |
| 21:39.46 | Zorkman | gona smoke my pipe and then hit the sack, a lot of work tomorrow :( |
| 21:39.58 | Zorkman | first order my fonero+ and fontenna |
| 21:40.07 | zedstar_ | zorkman enjoy.....and cheers mate |
| 21:42.09 | Deubeuliou | I don't have any virtual keyboard anymore ... I installed the matchbox one but it was breaking everything so I removed it and brought multitap-pad back... and I can't have it popped ... |
| 21:44.29 | Tanuva | slightly ot: is there some program (maybe even kmail?) that can send raw emails generated by reportbug? |
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| 21:49.04 | Deubeuliou | do you know how I can bring multitap-pad back ? |
| 21:49.38 | Zorkman | did you search the wiki Deubeuliou? |
| 21:49.44 | Deubeuliou | yeap |
| 21:49.53 | Deubeuliou | opkg remove matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod matchbox-keyboard-im matchbox-keyboard-applet |
| 21:49.53 | Deubeuliou | opkg install multitap-pad |
| 21:49.57 | Deubeuliou | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards |
| 21:50.11 | Deubeuliou | I can manually lauch it |
| 21:50.15 | Deubeuliou | via ssh |
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| 21:52.40 | Zorkman | did you restart your phone? (or x) |
| 21:53.04 | Deubeuliou | yes |
| 21:53.10 | Deubeuliou | x |
| 21:53.16 | Deubeuliou | well, both |
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| 21:56.09 | benlake | malik1972: hail! |
| 21:56.11 | Zorkman | hmmm: when opening a directory with 5 phot's in gpe-gallery: phone memory full |
| 21:56.22 | Deubeuliou | ^^ |
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| 21:57.02 | malik1972 | benlake: hi |
| 21:58.47 | benlake | malik1972: I haven't had an opportunity to check my SD card, but do you really think it is bad? |
| 22:00.36 | deever | is there a way to use usb ethernet under qtopia? |
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| 22:00.44 | malik1972 | benlake: to be honest i dont know |
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| 22:07.22 | benlake | malik1972: perhaps the boot log will tell me something |
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| 22:09.10 | malik1972 | benlake: you say that there is no sd device |
| 22:09.12 | linuxxr | ??? |
| 22:11.36 | benlake | malik1972: that is what this says: http://paste.lisp.org/display/65396 |
| 22:11.50 | benlake | malik1972: no mmcblk0 |
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| 22:14.03 | benlake | hmm, where might the boot log be? |
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| 22:14.54 | malik1972 | dmesg |
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| 22:15.46 | ieatlint | dmesg isn't a bootlog, it's kernel messages |
| 22:16.14 | benlake | dmesg is full of this stuff: http://paste.lisp.org/display/65396#2 |
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| 22:16.55 | benlake | ieatlint: is there a system/messages log? only thing I see in /var/log is wtmp |
| 22:17.03 | zash | ieatlint: but, dmesg outputs the same stuff that scrolls by the screen when a linux system starts up |
| 22:17.18 | malik1972 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.32 | zash | benlake: /var/log/messages is where the ation's at |
| 22:17.36 | zash | +c |
| 22:17.44 | ieatlint | zash, it prints the kernel messages, yes |
| 22:17.46 | benlake | zash: I got nothing |
| 22:17.52 | ieatlint | but not everything from boot |
| 22:18.05 | ieatlint | it won't show you anything from init unless it pulls a kernel message |
| 22:18.24 | ieatlint | and no, none of the OM images keep the messages file |
| 22:18.26 | zash | ieatlint: is there even a real bootlog |
| 22:18.40 | benlake | ieatlint: well that explains why I don't have one :P |
| 22:18.45 | ieatlint | pcf50633 is the power management chip |
| 22:19.32 | ieatlint | ensure you have a current kernel, and perhaps a recent (~august) uboot |
| 22:20.20 | benlake | ieatlint: I know I don't have a current kernel. I have what I was shipped |
| 22:20.34 | benlake | ieatlint: this all started because I wanted to try the Qtopia stack |
| 22:20.50 | ieatlint | so use the kernel qtopia comes with |
| 22:21.06 | benlake | the instruction tell me to put it on the cf card :P |
| 22:21.07 | SUNWjoejaxx | benlake: what problems are you having with qtopia? |
| 22:21.25 | ieatlint | what instructions? |
| 22:21.31 | benlake | SUNWjoejaxx: none yet, haven't been in a position to boot it |
| 22:21.35 | benlake | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia#Installing_Qtopia |
| 22:21.37 | ieatlint | oh, are you trying to install qtopia onto the sd? |
| 22:21.41 | benlake | aye |
| 22:21.44 | benlake | was.. |
| 22:21.56 | benlake | apparently that isn't going to be the case |
| 22:22.25 | SUNWjoejaxx | oh |
| 22:22.29 | benlake | should I upgrade to 2008 first? |
| 22:22.37 | ieatlint | try upgrading u-boot |
| 22:22.38 | benlake | then maybe I'll have SD card? |
| 22:22.46 | ieatlint | a lot of fixes were applied in july |
| 22:22.52 | SUNWjoejaxx | yeah |
| 22:22.58 | benlake | instructions? |
| 22:23.36 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_boot_loader_to_the_NAND |
| 22:24.13 | ieatlint | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr68+650149a53dbdd48bf6dfef90930c8ab182adb512-r0.bin |
| 22:24.30 | linuxxr | not as hard as it looks |
| 22:24.35 | ieatlint | and you cannot brick your freerunner |
| 22:24.47 | ieatlint | if it screws up, simply start again |
| 22:24.53 | *** part/#openmoko kourier (n=Sy@81-86-220-53.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 22:24.55 | linuxxr | u need to do it about 5 times |
| 22:25.03 | benlake | ieatlint: so this isn't what I want? http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.uImage.bin |
| 22:25.17 | ieatlint | that's fine too |
| 22:25.25 | malik1972 | how can i get the gestures to work? event2 seems not to be present |
| 22:25.26 | Zorkman | gonna hit the sack, goodnight everyone |
| 22:25.26 | ieatlint | the one i posted is newer, but that's new enough |
| 22:25.27 | linuxxr | the later the better |
| 22:25.36 | zedstar_ | nite zorkman |
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| 22:26.34 | linuxxr | to install a u boot u have to hold the power button then the aux button to get to nand |
| 22:27.25 | ieatlint | uh, no |
| 22:27.30 | ieatlint | you upgrade uboot from nor |
| 22:27.34 | ieatlint | aux button then power |
| 22:28.23 | ieatlint | it will likely work from nand, but the chance of problems is greater (and if nand's u-boot does fuck up, you then have to use nor... simpler to just use nor from the start) |
| 22:28.28 | linuxxr | im confused i guess |
| 22:28.53 | ieatlint | hehe, it's all confusing |
| 22:29.55 | linuxxr | are there md5sums for those files? |
| 22:30.39 | ieatlint | oddly no |
| 22:32.24 | roh | i added some |
| 22:32.38 | deever | is there a way to use usb ethernet under qtopia? |
| 22:32.39 | linuxxr | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting#Log_into_U-Boot_in_the_NAND_Flash |
| 22:33.02 | linuxxr | yup i was |
| 22:33.15 | ieatlint | deever, the same way you do it in the other OM images |
| 22:34.23 | ieatlint | ok, i'm off to a soccer game, cya all |
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| 22:34.42 | benlake | cya thanks |
| 22:34.45 | linuxxr | When flashing the device via USB connection, you must choose Set console to USB by pressing the AUX |
| 22:34.57 | linuxxr | i have not done this |
| 22:39.54 | ajbrun | what are my options if my FR won't boot? I have it plugged into the wall and nothing's happening |
| 22:40.12 | benlake | awww c'mon: http://paste.lisp.org/display/65396#3 |
| 22:40.54 | benlake | the FR says ""End of write exceeds partition end" |
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| 22:41.15 | deever | ieatlint: qtopia assert the occurrence of an "eth0" iface... |
| 22:42.17 | deever | the problem is that i have to set an ip address, 192.168.0.202 or so is not configured |
| 22:42.39 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: cry? |
| 22:42.47 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: more significantly. |
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| 22:43.01 | ajbrun | well, i mean what's the best course of action? |
| 22:43.05 | ajbrun | could the battery be fried? |
| 22:43.12 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: have you tried removing battery, leaving for 5 mins, (with USB out), then puttin gin battery and USB? |
| 22:43.23 | ajbrun | i tried for about 1 min |
| 22:43.30 | SpeedEvil | 1 should be OK |
| 22:43.41 | SpeedEvil | You don't happen to have a DMM do you? |
| 22:43.49 | ajbrun | what's that? |
| 22:43.59 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: digital multimeter |
| 22:44.06 | SpeedEvil | nab: I guess not. |
| 22:44.12 | SpeedEvil | ajb: |
| 22:44.23 | benlake | why are the uboot images too big for my NOR ;( |
| 22:45.01 | ajbrun | best thing i can think of is to get a new battery to try? |
| 22:45.07 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: I'd try leaving it on charge for a couple of hours. |
| 22:45.27 | ajbrun | left it charging for about 1 |
| 22:45.32 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 22:45.49 | ajbrun | it#s probably been this way for about a week now, but i've not had chance to properly look at it until now |
| 22:45.52 | Sargun | Heya |
| 22:45.53 | SpeedEvil | Sorry, no good ideas. |
| 22:46.04 | ajbrun | kk - i'll try getting a new battery then |
| 22:46.43 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, you might be able to answer this better than some people: Why don't we use Debian as a base for FSO/SHR instead of OE? |
| 22:47.15 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: I have no idea. Perhaps debian doesn't easily support cross-compiles? |
| 22:47.23 | Sargun | Perhaps. |
| 22:47.54 | Sargun | OE is a cluster fuck though |
| 22:48.00 | benlake | great, Google says no one has received this dfu-util error message |
| 22:48.10 | Sargun | benlake, what message? |
| 22:48.12 | SpeedEvil | benlake: You're special! |
| 22:48.23 | KenYoung | Sargun, What do you find wrong with OE? |
| 22:48.26 | benlake | SpeedEvil: I like it, really, but I wish there were cake :) |
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| 22:48.36 | benlake | Sargun: http://paste.lisp.org/display/65396#3 |
| 22:49.07 | Sargun | KenYoung, Its a pain to build with. |
| 22:49.10 | Wonka | "dpkg-cross is a tool for installing libraries and headers for cross compiling in a way similar to dpkg. Supports enhanced functionality of 'dpkg-buildpackage -a' when cross â |
| 22:49.14 | Wonka | compiling." |
| 22:49.19 | SpeedEvil | Error -110 typically means USB problems IME |
| 22:49.28 | Sargun | KenYoung, Also, it doesn't have as much adoption as Debian |
| 22:49.29 | SpeedEvil | Does it do this often? |
| 22:49.33 | benlake | Sargun: "dfu_download error -110", and the device says "End of write exceeds partition end" |
| 22:49.47 | KenYoung | Sargun, That's for sure! |
| 22:49.53 | SpeedEvil | benlake: how large is the thing you're writing? |
| 22:49.59 | benlake | SpeedEvil: was that directed to me? |
| 22:50.07 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:50.10 | lindi- | Wonka: is there really need to cross compile things? i use qemu for building |
| 22:50.32 | wantok | lindi-: ouch. |
| 22:50.32 | benlake | I tried the Om2008 and the image ieatlint linked to above, Om2008 is 1.8MB and ieatlint's is 1.7MB, both same issye |
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| 22:50.41 | Wonka | ...thereby emulating hardware on which a compiler runs. |
| 22:50.47 | Wonka | which makes things not faster |
| 22:50.55 | Sargun | benlake, have you tried with a different computer? |
| 22:50.56 | lindi- | Wonka: of course it is slower yes |
| 22:50.57 | benlake | SpeedEvil: this is the first time I've tried flashing, so yes it has always happened :P |
| 22:51.01 | SpeedEvil | qemu is perhaps 10-30% of the speed of the FR. |
| 22:51.16 | lindi- | Wonka: but many upstream programs build binaries and execute those during build process |
| 22:51.17 | Wonka | emdebian-tools sounds nice |
| 22:51.20 | SpeedEvil | You can't flash NOR without the debug board. |
| 22:51.42 | Sargun | benlake, are you booting into the right boot loader? |
| 22:51.42 | henkie | hmm, where does tangogps stores its config? |
| 22:51.47 | khaije1 | thats something i've been wondering, why not build the OM distro from debian for example? i'm not an expert but it seems like its produced compelling results already? |
| 22:51.52 | SpeedEvil | henkie: I think it's in ~ |
| 22:52.02 | benlake | SpeedEvil: I have not, what sort of USB problem would you think this is? I have had no troubles with USB ethernet or any other device on this port |
| 22:52.02 | Wonka | lindi-: that's what HOSTCC vs CC is all about |
| 22:52.20 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, Well, I mean, Maemo uses scratchbox for all of their Debian builds |
| 22:52.27 | benlake | Sargun: I have a picture as proof! it is the NOR loader |
| 22:52.34 | Sargun | benlake, haha |
| 22:52.38 | SpeedEvil | You can't flash NOR without the debug board. |
| 22:52.41 | lindi- | Wonka: many upstreams haven't heard of even CC and hardcode gcc :P |
| 22:52.50 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, http://www.scratchbox.org/ |
| 22:52.53 | benlake | SpeedEvil: WTF the instructions tell me to be in NOR, damit |
| 22:52.58 | Wonka | lindi-: fix it, submit a patch |
| 22:53.21 | henkie | yeah, i see a .tangogps dir, but i cannot find the location where its stores the maps |
| 22:53.27 | SpeedEvil | henkie: |
| 22:53.34 | benlake | SpeedEvil: perhaps I'm misunderstanding |
| 22:53.38 | henkie | defaults to /tmp, and i want it on my media/card |
| 22:53.43 | SpeedEvil | henkie: go to the config tab, and tell it to store it on /media/card/maps |
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| 22:54.00 | henkie | SpeedEvil, i did, but it doesnt remember |
| 22:54.04 | Wonka | henkie: .gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml |
| 22:54.17 | SpeedEvil | henkie: it does for me |
| 22:54.37 | lindi- | Wonka: of course you can fix it but it is a lot of work |
| 22:54.40 | SpeedEvil | Err - am I confused. |
| 22:54.51 | wantok | .gconf? gconf is on the FR? :| |
| 22:55.03 | zedstar_ | OE and bitbake etc is cool when it works......lost a good few hours of my life this weekend just trying to get libgps built within bitbake but i still think it is worth it |
| 22:55.16 | Wonka | wantok: er, yes? GTK, QT, and all sort of other stuff too |
| 22:55.20 | Wonka | hal, dbus, ... |
| 22:55.51 | SpeedEvil | benlake: no - NOR is the one I was thinking of. It can't be written to without the debug board - what instructions? |
| 22:56.07 | wantok | Wonka: gui toolkits i can understand, heavy cpu intensive configuration files i cant |
| 22:56.21 | Wonka | the FR alone has more oomph than the first three PCs I regularly used combined |
| 22:56.39 | Wonka | wantok: cpu intensive? it's less than 1k in size. |
| 22:57.13 | Wonka | wantok: also, it eliminates the need to have a config parser for every single program. just ask gconfs for this or that setting. |
| 22:57.17 | Wonka | gconfd even |
| 22:57.18 | benlake | SpeedEvil: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_boot_loader_to_the_NAND |
| 22:57.35 | benlake | SpeedEvil: there is the little "Reminder to boot from NOR first" |
| 22:58.01 | benlake | SpeedEvil: but I think I misunderstood, I need to boot from nor, not be at the NOR menu when flashing |
| 22:58.16 | wantok | Wonka: and we end up unable to read our configuration :\ |
| 22:58.26 | Wonka | wantok: how? |
| 22:58.38 | benlake | SpeedEvil: when I say "Boot" from the NOR menu it says "NAND read..." did I really boot from NOR? |
| 22:59.14 | Wonka | benlake: NOR is 4kB or so. it reads the kernel from NAND. |
| 22:59.18 | SpeedEvil | Yes - you boot from the NOR flash. |
| 22:59.18 | SpeedEvil | You don't flash that |
| 22:59.18 | SpeedEvil | waits for page to load. |
| 22:59.39 | wantok | Wonka: because teh xml:config ratio is well in favour of the xml |
| 23:00.03 | Wonka | wantok: still, it's very readable, for both humans and computers |
| 23:00.09 | zash | what? |
| 23:00.11 | benlake | Wonka: so selecting "Boot" from the NOR menu is how I am assured I booted from NOR? Now that the device is booted I flash? |
| 23:00.15 | zash | config + xml = fail |
| 23:00.23 | Dave | Rut roh |
| 23:00.25 | SpeedEvil | benlake: you're tryuing dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uboot.bin |
| 23:00.25 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.33 | Wonka | benlake: eh, what? |
| 23:00.43 | benlake | SpeedEvil: after a -l sees the device. I was |
| 23:00.46 | zash | config + yaml = win |
| 23:00.53 | wantok | Wonka: guess we disagree |
| 23:01.03 | SpeedEvil | benlake: I think that was flashing the NAND - or trying to. |
| 23:01.04 | wantok | :) |
| 23:01.06 | Wonka | benlake: "boot from NOR" can only mean "start the bootloader stored in NOR instead of the bootloader stored in NAND". |
| 23:01.10 | Dave | Any ideas why my freerunner audio stopped working altogetÂher? |
| 23:01.12 | zedstar_ | s-expressions = win |
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| 23:01.28 | Wonka | zash: *shrug* it's gconfd there, and that's xml atm. |
| 23:01.40 | benlake | Wonka: that's what I thought! So why when at the NOR boot menu and selecting "Boot" does it read NAND? |
| 23:02.15 | benlake | SpeedEvil: so I am flashing appropriately at the NOR boot menu and it is failing with a -10 which makes me cry.. correct? |
| 23:02.24 | TankC | mokomakefile is amazing... |
| 23:02.31 | benlake | -110, sorry |
| 23:02.33 | zash | Wonka: well if you have config that works best in xml, you might be doing something wrong |
| 23:02.35 | Wonka | benlake: because even the bootloader stored in NOR flash has no other chance than to read kernels from NAND, because the NOR is 4kB and therefore too small for a kernel. |
| 23:02.45 | zash | and gconf? yay, windows registry + xml |
| 23:02.49 | Wonka | zash: don't tell me. tell the gconf people. |
| 23:03.02 | benlake | Wonka: gotcha, so I am supposed to flash NAND while at the NOR boot menu, yes? |
| 23:03.09 | zash | Wonka: duno where they hang out |
| 23:03.12 | Wonka | benlake: think so. |
| 23:03.15 | Wonka | zash: neither. |
| 23:03.27 | benlake | Wonka: too much thinking not enough knowing around here :P |
| 23:03.28 | Wonka | zash: I'm just stating the eway it is. |
| 23:03.52 | TankC | benlake: you have a 30 second window to flash the NAND while at the NOR boot menu |
| 23:03.59 | wantok | zash: teh dark depths of gnomes 'evil' squad ;) |
| 23:03.59 | Dave | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK |
| 23:04.06 | zash | Wonka: :D but, what were you talking about? /scrollback tl;dr |
| 23:04.07 | Dave | Openmoko Screen Of Death! |
| 23:04.08 | Wonka | benlake: i press the aux button before the power button and get this menu. as long as it is there, i can flash rootfs, kernel and u-boot partitions via dfu-util. |
| 23:04.11 | Dave | I thought we had fixed that shit |
| 23:04.23 | benlake | TankC: I'm aware, it begins the flash download fine then tells me there isn't enough space |
| 23:04.39 | Dave | Hey benlake :) |
| 23:04.48 | benlake | Wonka: correct, however this is what I get: http://paste.lisp.org/display/65396#3 |
| 23:04.50 | Dave | Speedevil, how can I check the speed at which it is presently running? |
| 23:04.51 | benlake | Dave: ! |
| 23:04.54 | Dave | :) |
| 23:04.56 | Wonka | zash: I told henkie where some specific tangogps setting was stored |
| 23:05.01 | torindel | Dave: random colorful strips on screen? ;] |
| 23:05.05 | benlake | Dave: will you be my hero... again :P |
| 23:05.16 | Dave | benlake, perhaps :) |
| 23:05.18 | Dave | What's up? |
| 23:05.20 | Wonka | benlake: no idea. |
| 23:05.24 | torindel | feel the powah of Xglamo driver ;] |
| 23:05.29 | benlake | Dave: http://paste.lisp.org/display/65396#3 |
| 23:05.35 | zash | Wonka: check |
| 23:05.47 | Arcnet | oO |
| 23:06.01 | benlake | Wonka: thanks for trying :) |
| 23:06.03 | Arcnet | Is it possible that FR breaks SD Cards? |
| 23:06.25 | Wonka | Arcnet: mine has had an emptied mbr for several times |
| 23:06.30 | zash | the freerunner EATS SD-CARD CHILDREN! |
| 23:06.30 | Sargun | Arcnet, possibly, why? |
| 23:06.32 | doc|home | Arcnet: there's been a thread about the freerunner corrupting some. It seems to be a kernel problem |
| 23:06.35 | doc|home | iirc |
| 23:06.49 | TankC | benlake: shouldn't your command line be -a kernel instead of -a u-image? |
| 23:07.07 | wantok | zash: damn, i want to topic that :p |
| 23:07.09 | benlake | stares at TankC |
| 23:07.16 | torindel | Arcnet: dont let your freerunner sleep, give it crack or something |
| 23:07.23 | SUNWjoejaxx | yeah |
| 23:07.29 | torindel | Arcnet: (suspend bug) |
| 23:07.30 | Arcnet | hm, I lost my 2 GB SD... thats bad |
| 23:07.39 | TankC | "sudo ./dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uImage-2..." |
| 23:07.44 | Wonka | ATM I feel a little funny... 2008.8 seems to be utter crap and cannot even be upgraded, but 2007.2 or 2007.11 are removed everywhere on *.openmoko.org |
| 23:07.48 | benlake | TankC: correct |
| 23:07.49 | torindel | Arcnet: you just lost first 1024 bytes of it including mbr |
| 23:07.53 | Wonka | what's up guys?!? |
| 23:07.58 | TankC | should be.. "sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-2" |
| 23:08.06 | TankC | ... |
| 23:08.19 | torindel | Arcnet: you had one partition or more? |
| 23:08.24 | Arcnet | it thows errors on the second partition |
| 23:08.41 | Wonka | TankC: DOH, could have seen that too |
| 23:08.47 | Sargun | Wonka, wait a while. |
| 23:09.21 | Arcnet | I have setup boot from sd (for debian) |
| 23:11.03 | sevenhundred | hey, I guess I'm not the only one failing at dfu-util :D |
| 23:11.56 | SpeedEvil | Dave: /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 23:13.59 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: oh - you're wrong about teh NOR size. |
| 23:14.05 | Dave | wtf |
| 23:14.08 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: it's the M58WR016KB flash |
| 23:14.13 | Dave | oh haha |
| 23:14.19 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: which is a 16 megabit part. |
| 23:14.40 | Wonka | 2 MByte then |
| 23:14.52 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: yes. >>4K anyway |
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| 23:15.07 | Dave | It doesn't list speed. |
| 23:15.59 | Dave | hmm |
| 23:17.21 | henkie | is wifi supposed to be working in om2008.8? |
| 23:17.33 | Sargun | No. |
| 23:17.36 | henkie | in settings it reports "unknown" about its status |
| 23:18.00 | Deubeuliou | does 2007.2 have a suspend feature ? |
| 23:18.22 | Wonka | Deubeuliou: yes |
| 23:18.42 | Wonka | i just hope the next hw generation will have u-blox 5 instead of antares 4 |
| 23:18.59 | Wonka | with assistnow offline support |
| 23:18.59 | Deubeuliou | can it be actived via the UI ? via ssh ? via idling only ? |
| 23:19.23 | torindel | Deubeuliou: molest power button |
| 23:19.34 | johnsu01 | hm, Debian install is not working for me, I'm just getting repeated reboots with a blank white screen in between |
| 23:19.43 | johnsu01 | using the new install script, that is |
| 23:20.16 | Dave | Speedevil :( |
| 23:21.32 | Deubeuliou | torindel, it doesn't suspend, it halts :( |
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| 23:25.24 | torindel | Deubeuliou: after single press? |
| 23:25.31 | Dave | Help, my freerunner has gone deaf! |
| 23:25.46 | Deubeuliou | after single press, nothing happens |
| 23:26.01 | Deubeuliou | after a long press, a menu pops |
| 23:26.07 | Deubeuliou | after a veeery long press, halts |
| 23:26.11 | Dave | yep |
| 23:26.13 | torindel | short button hold? or double click? |
| 23:26.47 | Deubeuliou | I know it should suspend on 2008.8, but on 2007.2 ? |
| 23:26.58 | torindel | on 2007.2 too |
| 23:27.03 | Deubeuliou | double click on the halt button ? nothing |
| 23:27.36 | TankC | does anyone know where mokomakefile puts the dfu-util binary after building it with "make openmoko-devel-tools" |
| 23:27.47 | Dave | :D |
| 23:28.01 | Dave | deu it does |
| 23:28.10 | Dave | automatically if set |
| 23:28.57 | Dave | LEINIR |
| 23:29.02 | Deubeuliou | if set ? |
| 23:29.03 | Dave | You can't get away that easy! |
| 23:29.09 | Dave | Deubeliousdfhso, in the power menu |
| 23:29.13 | Dave | set to Dim then lock |
| 23:29.16 | torindel | TankC: build/tmp/deploy/glibc/tools/dfu-util |
| 23:29.17 | Deubeuliou | yeah |
| 23:29.22 | Dave | it will suspend after a minute of inactivity |
| 23:29.24 | Deubeuliou | it is set so |
| 23:29.30 | Deubeuliou | ok, thanks :) |
| 23:29.34 | Dave | ye[p |
| 23:29.44 | Dave | throws freerunners at speedevil |
| 23:30.01 | torindel | TankC: mine's there |
| 23:31.09 | TankC | thank you torindel |
| 23:31.30 | Dave | How are you, Tank? |
| 23:32.04 | TankC | Not bad, my personal build of FSO finished sometime this morning... I'm trying to get it flashed |
| 23:32.06 | TankC | Yourself? |
| 23:32.23 | SpeedEvil | Dave: do so, and I'll work it out |
| 23:32.56 | torindel | is building gentoo stage for moko |
| 23:33.23 | Dave | Hrm |
| 23:33.36 | Dave | Speedevil, speed? |
| 23:33.43 | Dave | Furthermore, any thoughts about my audio issue? |
| 23:33.51 | SpeedEvil | Dave: throw a freerunner. |
| 23:33.55 | Dave | haha |
| 23:34.05 | Dave | you going to just stand there holding a radar gun? :) |
| 23:34.07 | SpeedEvil | Dave: you've tried unplugging your ears, and plugging them back in? |
| 23:34.13 | Dave | hurr |
| 23:34.42 | Dave | pulseaudio seems to be nominal; rebooting the phone, which typically resets pretty much everything has no effect |
| 23:34.46 | Dave | :| |
| 23:34.49 | SpeedEvil | odd. |
| 23:34.50 | TankC | torindel: which stage? |
| 23:34.51 | Dave | no audio in any application works |
| 23:35.00 | Dave | and if I fuck with the audio device manually, nothing :( |
| 23:35.31 | Dave | holy crap!? |
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| 23:35.45 | Dave | WHAT HAPPENED TO MY AUDIO DEVICE!? |
| 23:35.57 | Dave | Houston, we have a problem. |
| 23:36.00 | Sargun | Dave, have you played with Alsactl? |
| 23:36.12 | torindel | TankC: gentoo stage = gentoo install image |
| 23:36.39 | Flinx | can someone give me a brief rundown of what at+cimi is? Google only produces results related to Fallout Boy >.< |
| 23:37.00 | Sargun | haha |
| 23:37.30 | TankC | torindel: what stage # though? 3 or 4? |
| 23:37.52 | Dave | shit |
| 23:38.07 | Dave | Who stoled my noise maker device? :P |
| 23:38.35 | torindel | TankC: currently 1, ill make 3 later |
| 23:38.45 | Flinx | I got a new SIM from the list of known working ones, and it doesn't work >.<. But I borrowed my friends and it worked okay, so I wanted to add both to the Wiki list |
| 23:39.01 | torindel | TankC: i can send you if you're interested |
| 23:39.13 | torindel | (when i finish that is) |
| 23:40.42 | Dave | fuck you, udev! |
| 23:40.44 | Dave | :( |
| 23:40.58 | SpeedEvil | udev will never catch on. |
| 23:41.06 | Dave | boohoo |
| 23:41.10 | doc|home | udev has already fucked you, udev does not fuck one person twice |
| 23:41.12 | SpeedEvil | ruxpin: typically 2V unless blue |
| 23:41.13 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 23:41.19 | Dave | doc ;p |
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| 23:42.16 | Dave | Where'd my audio device go? :( |
| 23:42.52 | torindel | Dave: probably the cat stole it and its playing with it under the table |
| 23:43.05 | Dave | bastard! |
| 23:43.12 | Dave | Come back here, kitty! |
| 23:43.16 | ruxpin | SpeedEvil: hi there thanks for higlighing :D |
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| 23:43.29 | SpeedEvil | ruxpin: sorry - mischan, as you probably gatehred. |
| 23:43.36 | ruxpin | nå |
| 23:43.38 | ruxpin | np |
| 23:43.52 | ruxpin | what's wrong with udev? |
| 23:45.46 | Dave | Hey Mwester :) |
| 23:47.08 | mwester-laptop | I am legion. |
| 23:47.53 | mwester-laptop | er, but not on this channel, it seems... :p :D |
| 23:51.09 | gambler | just saw /. article |
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| 23:51.17 | gambler | debian now up on freerunner? |
| 23:51.39 | mmu_man | seems so |
| 23:52.01 | TankC | torindel: I'd like to play around with that, please keep me updated |
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| 23:54.56 | rwhitby | mwester-laptop: french foreign legion? |
| 23:55.09 | torindel | TankC: no problem |
| 23:57.32 | mwester-laptop | rwhitby: I can't recall... :D |
| 23:59.35 | retracile | Hm. Which python sub-package has the getpass module? |