| 00:03.55 | trix | i like qtopia quite a bit.. best call quality out of the distros i've tried. 2007.2 i can barely hear the other person, until i hang up on them with my ear that is. even with all the recommended adjustments to gsm.handset. |
| 00:06.31 | MadTBone | does FSO milestone 2 have the kernel patch for SD/GPS? |
| 00:06.36 | Yanroy | will flashing the release image of 2008.8 give me opkg feeds that track the dailies? where can I find the daily releases? |
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| 00:09.12 | linuxxr | i dont know if there are any |
| 00:09.28 | linuxxr | anybody have sound in 2008.8? |
| 00:11.33 | Yanroy | I haven't been able to find any dailies of 2008.8, but I did see someone else in here the other night mention "tonight's -qtopia-x11" |
| 00:11.55 | rwhitby | Yanroy: zecke just posted a message about that on the mailing lists |
| 00:12.10 | Yanroy | rwhitby: oh... I'm a day or two behind on my ML reading |
| 00:12.20 | rwhitby | about an hour ago |
| 00:12.35 | Yanroy | rwhitby: so did he say where the dailies are, or that there aren't any? :D |
| 00:12.41 | Yanroy | digs for the message |
| 00:12.49 | rwhitby | he has put up temporary dailies |
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| 00:14.03 | Yanroy | rwhitby: the most recent search result for "zecke" in my RSS feed is 5 days ago |
| 00:14.23 | Yanroy | rwhitby: could you give me a link to the thread on gmane? |
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| 00:15.56 | jadams_ | hey, who here uses debian on the moko? |
| 00:16.07 | Yanroy | rwhitby: ok, I think I found it... I believe I understand the situation now |
| 00:16.20 | Yanroy | I think I'll just flash the release version and wait for OM to get its act together with the buildhost |
| 00:16.30 | Yanroy | hopefully the release version isn't terribly broken.. |
| 00:17.29 | hipitihop-away | dingman, you about ? |
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| 00:19.21 | hipitihop-away | anyone here using latest from buildhost ? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080813/ |
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| 00:23.11 | Yanroy | is it safe to use the latest uboot off buildhost with 2008.8? |
| 00:24.25 | mmontour | Yanroy: yes, AFAIK |
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| 00:34.18 | linuxxr | hipitihop i had it on this morning |
| 00:35.26 | linuxxr | do i use that usb script in 2008.8? |
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| 00:39.43 | Dave | What's poppin' kiddies |
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| 00:40.41 | linuxxr | how does i connect to internet with usb on 2008.8:)? |
| 00:41.12 | linuxxr | i see the scriph |
| 00:41.18 | linuxxr | script |
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| 00:41.36 | linuxxr | is it same as before? |
| 00:41.40 | Dave | People say it's teh broke |
| 00:41.45 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r70a05aaf38e2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade to the latest stable kernel (hardware ecc preparations) |
| 00:41.45 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r45d8d6de5611 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add navit to the feed |
| 00:42.08 | linuxxr | ok |
| 00:42.21 | kd8ikt | lol http://ubuntusatanic.org |
| 00:43.22 | russellb | kd8ikt: nice |
| 00:43.30 | linuxxr | pretty |
| 00:43.34 | Dave | o.O |
| 00:44.10 | Dave | rofl |
| 00:44.29 | Dave | haha, Convenient how it's "SE" |
| 00:44.30 | Dave | :P |
| 00:44.56 | russellb | "Ubuntu SE is a Linux distribution based on Ubuntu. It brings together the best free software and free metal music on one CD." |
| 00:45.05 | zash | hahhahaha |
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| 00:45.19 | zash | AhSUM |
| 00:45.34 | linuxxr | in live too |
| 00:45.49 | kd8ikt | i just added their repo |
| 00:46.06 | linuxxr | so which access to 2008.8? |
| 00:46.12 | linuxxr | bluetooth? |
| 00:46.30 | kd8ikt | anything to get rid of this brown boring touchy feely comunity love ubuntu theme |
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| 00:46.39 | ieatlint | well, i got the accelerometer thing working... just has two issues :P |
| 00:46.45 | kd8ikt | SATAN |
| 00:47.11 | dbmoodb | Dave: tar it maybe ? |
| 00:47.17 | ieatlint | the screen gets "corrupted" as it fails to properly redraw everything all the time, and there is no way to quit other than with a sigkill :P |
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| 00:47.26 | ieatlint | but the graphics can otherwise keep up! |
| 00:47.50 | kd8ikt | whatcha making/make there lint? |
| 00:48.13 | ieatlint | a program that puts a dot on the screen and moves it based on data from an accelerometer |
| 00:48.25 | Dave | hmm? |
| 00:48.31 | Dave | ieatlint haha |
| 00:48.36 | zash | ieatlint: OMG OMG OMG!!! |
| 00:48.42 | Dave | zash? |
| 00:48.47 | Dave | sends zash SIGTRANQ |
| 00:48.57 | zash | falls asleep |
| 00:49.05 | kd8ikt | what language |
| 00:49.16 | ieatlint | sends zash SIGTAKEADVANTAGE |
| 00:49.18 | Dave | dbmoodb, what were you referring to? |
| 00:49.24 | Dave | zash :) |
| 00:49.25 | Dave | good |
| 00:49.30 | ieatlint | c, using the evas library |
| 00:49.55 | kd8ikt | eek thats that e17 crap eh? |
| 00:50.02 | Dave | bleh :p |
| 00:50.16 | kd8ikt | cant say i'm a big fan of enlightenment |
| 00:50.18 | ieatlint | i need to find what to use to redraw the screen |
| 00:50.37 | ieatlint | kd8ikt, 2008.8 and fso use enlightenment (and evas for their gui) |
| 00:50.54 | ieatlint | it's lightweight and has simple functions so that the graphics can be managed |
| 00:51.52 | Pjj | hm the battery indicator isn't that accurate |
| 00:51.59 | Pjj | in 2007.2 |
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| 00:55.38 | Dave | no kidding :P |
| 00:55.42 | Dave | it's not supposed to be |
| 00:56.01 | Dave | oh crap so wait ieatlint |
| 00:56.21 | Dave | was it you I was talking to about usb keyboards and X? |
| 00:56.25 | Dave | shit |
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| 00:57.23 | ieatlint | no, i don't think so |
| 00:59.59 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r068e73b0c5ff 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for alsa-oss |
| 01:00.00 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r60c64b9d3257 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for djvulibre |
| 01:00.00 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r17724237b828 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for dotconf |
| 01:00.01 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rbf89425ccd1b 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for espeak |
| 01:00.04 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rcc8ecb33013a 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for flite |
| 01:00.07 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf911fd8e739b 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for navit |
| 01:00.10 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r49bc7f5a17d4 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for portaudio |
| 01:00.13 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6a7b01c3fbc6 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for speech-dispatcher |
| 01:01.10 | kd8ikt | i take it youre already reading http://docs.enlightenment.org/api/evas/html/ ieatlint |
| 01:01.25 | ieatlint | indeed |
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| 01:02.40 | Dave | was it you then kd8? :P |
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| 01:04.43 | kd8ikt | heh that doc sucks |
| 01:04.51 | kd8ikt | everything is under TODO |
| 01:04.59 | raster | yup |
| 01:05.04 | raster | lots of stuff.. to do |
| 01:05.26 | Dave | :P |
| 01:05.30 | Dave | raster :) |
| 01:05.31 | raster | u do get a full api doc tho |
| 01:05.38 | Dave | better than nothing :) |
| 01:05.41 | raster | ie al calls and short descriptions |
| 01:05.44 | raster | its not a FULL doc |
| 01:05.51 | raster | but its enough of a mist-clearer |
| 01:05.52 | Dave | it's better than NDA |
| 01:05.54 | Dave | :P |
| 01:05.55 | Dave | right |
| 01:09.36 | Dave | Oh and raster |
| 01:09.57 | Dave | Whatever keyboards you propone better fucking have a shift lock or else... |
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| 01:11.22 | raster | Dave: shift lock? |
| 01:11.50 | raster | SO YOU CAN IRC IN ALL CAPS! ELEET! |
| 01:11.52 | raster | :) |
| 01:14.13 | ieatlint | yeah, the docs are very brief :P |
| 01:14.17 | ieatlint | i'm working through it |
| 01:14.21 | kd8ikt | EAPI void? |
| 01:14.21 | ieatlint | learning, so it's all good |
| 01:15.07 | ieatlint | EAPI void function() --- means it's part of the eapi and it has a void return type |
| 01:15.21 | raster | EAPI == "external api" |
| 01:15.23 | raster | ignore the EAPI |
| 01:15.27 | raster | its a macro |
| 01:15.31 | raster | well look at it |
| 01:15.43 | raster | but efl has suported gcc';s visibliity extensions for many years |
| 01:15.49 | raster | so u can hide all internal symbols of a lib |
| 01:16.01 | raster | the idea being - if its maked with EAPI its a symbol you are meant to know about and be able to use |
| 01:16.08 | raster | if its not.. don't touch it |
| 01:16.10 | raster | even if u find it |
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| 01:21.02 | Yanroy | so is there a way for me to get my 2007.2 contacts into 2008.8? |
| 01:21.11 | Yanroy | I backed up all the evolution stuff (entire home director) before flashing |
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| 01:23.32 | raster | not that i know of |
| 01:23.36 | raster | 2008.8 uses qtopia |
| 01:23.46 | raster | so its mysql databases that have contacts |
| 01:23.52 | raster | from there on in.. cant help |
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| 01:24.14 | raster | (not that i like it myself either... but thats how the qtopia dice rolls... ljp might be able to help) |
| 01:25.49 | Yanroy | well, it should be possible, even if there aren't scripts available to do it, right? |
| 01:26.07 | Yanroy | I need to extract the data from evolution (how's that stored?) and then insert it into the db |
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| 01:27.06 | ljp | bluetooth, or someone wrote a script for a vcard |
| 01:27.08 | raster | woot |
| 01:27.14 | raster | dictionary is back and cooking in illume |
| 01:27.40 | ljp | is woot in your dictionary? |
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| 01:29.08 | raster | dunno |
| 01:29.13 | raster | but if i type it |
| 01:29.26 | raster | and select it from the match list (The long scrollable menu one) |
| 01:29.28 | raster | it gets added |
| 01:29.29 | raster | :) |
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| 01:34.20 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.17 | rooly|away | yes |
| 01:35.20 | rooly|away | opkg install vte |
| 01:35.48 | linuxxr | i cant seem to network the 2008.8 |
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| 01:40.42 | linuxxr | i need a terminal |
| 01:41.25 | linuxxr | man |
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| 01:46.27 | ljp | qtopia has a terminal :) |
| 01:48.15 | rooly|away | not installed by default it doesn't |
| 01:52.09 | linuxxr | does 2 |
| 01:52.19 | linuxxr | well |
| 01:53.34 | rwhitby | ljp: is openmoko allowed to use the qtopia name in their qtopia-x11 image names? to me it seems confusing ... |
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| 01:54.15 | ljp | not sure, but agree it is confising |
| 01:54.19 | ljp | confusing |
| 01:54.42 | ljp | seeing as qtopia is really the launcher :) |
| 01:55.12 | linuxxr | the latest qtopia is too cool |
| 01:55.30 | linuxxr | but ima stay with 2008.8 |
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| 01:59.02 | railer | why? |
| 01:59.51 | railer | I'm just trying 2008.8 now, I cant even get the KB to switch |
| 01:59.55 | linuxxr | we want free software |
| 02:00.04 | ljp | qtopia is free |
| 02:00.18 | linuxxr | rack up with your finger |
| 02:00.25 | linuxxr | rake |
| 02:00.49 | linuxxr | some is propritory |
| 02:00.50 | ljp | rooly|away: there is a term on the qtopia image |
| 02:00.52 | railer | were the hell is the backspace key? |
| 02:01.02 | ljp | linuxxr: none of qtopia is proprietary |
| 02:01.14 | linuxxr | hmm |
| 02:01.18 | ljp | :) |
| 02:01.54 | linuxxr | i read somewher that it does have non free software in it maybe im mistaken |
| 02:03.25 | linuxxr | rake left an right with your finger |
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| 02:04.03 | linuxxr | hold the stylus on the letter so to cause the mag to come out |
| 02:05.55 | railer | how do you can kb's in 2008.8? |
| 02:06.34 | railer | keyboard's |
| 02:07.58 | linuxxr | what/ |
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| 02:09.55 | archimokotest | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.02 | rooly|away | wooo |
| 02:10.03 | rooly|away | got a date |
| 02:10.04 | rooly|away | maybe |
| 02:10.05 | railer | I just have that default shitty kb in 2008.8 where is the backspace? |
| 02:10.05 | rooly|away | again |
| 02:10.34 | aevin | slide left ...? |
| 02:10.35 | linuxxr | rake up 2 times |
| 02:10.47 | *** part/#openmoko archimokotest (n=root@g227071148.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 02:10.50 | linuxxr | or down |
| 02:11.10 | linuxxr | it really works well |
| 02:13.42 | rooly|away | it does |
| 02:14.28 | rooly|away | i watched my movie |
| 02:14.31 | rooly|away | woo hoo |
| 02:14.32 | rooly|away | p2p gtw |
| 02:14.33 | linuxxr | well i guess it looks good |
| 02:14.34 | rooly|away | ftw |
| 02:15.06 | linuxxr | rooly would u help us get networked in 2008.8? |
| 02:15.24 | rooly|away | i can try... |
| 02:15.33 | rooly|away | i use a chain of 3 commands |
| 02:15.42 | rooly|away | cd into my OM project directory |
| 02:15.49 | rooly|away | run a little shell script |
| 02:15.55 | rooly|away | and then i can ssh into it |
| 02:16.30 | rooly|away | i'll post my script |
| 02:16.35 | linuxxr | good |
| 02:16.36 | rooly|away | taking almost directly from the wiki |
| 02:16.50 | linuxxr | usb networking? |
| 02:17.06 | rooly|away | http://rafb.net/p/2GHxSI10.html |
| 02:17.07 | rooly|away | yeah |
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| 02:19.24 | linuxxr | root to run script/ |
| 02:19.42 | rooly|away | or just use sudo |
| 02:19.43 | rooly|away | but yeah |
| 02:20.02 | rooly|away | if your not on a sudo-ed system, remove those commands and run it as root |
| 02:23.05 | Sargun | NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 5699 tasks of which 5522 didn't need to be rerun and 0 failed. |
| 02:23.21 | Sargun | how do you complete 5699 of 5522 tasks? |
| 02:24.24 | linuxxr | connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host |
| 02:24.39 | rooly|away | did you boot your om with the usb plug in |
| 02:24.48 | linuxxr | mmmm |
| 02:25.00 | rooly|away | that's how i solved my connection issues |
| 02:25.01 | linuxxr | i will |
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| 02:29.55 | linuxxr | still nothing |
| 02:31.26 | rooly|away | can you even ping it? |
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| 02:32.22 | linuxxr | nope |
| 02:33.10 | linuxxr | root@monster:/home/brian# ping -c 4 192.168.0.202 |
| 02:33.10 | linuxxr | PING 192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 02:33.10 | linuxxr | From 192.168.0.102 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 02:33.10 | linuxxr | From 192.168.0.102 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 02:33.10 | linuxxr | From 192.168.0.102 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 02:33.10 | linuxxr | From 192.168.0.102 icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 02:34.11 | rooly|away | can you connect to wifi? |
| 02:34.12 | kd8ikt | leaps out and stabs linuxxr |
| 02:34.22 | linuxxr | im a noob |
| 02:34.38 | linuxxr | ok paste.bin |
| 02:34.56 | linuxxr | i wish |
| 02:35.15 | linuxxr | arrrgggg |
| 02:36.15 | railer | anyone know whats up with pic 1171 and 1170 at /scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 02:38.03 | kd8ikt | http://beagleboard.org/ |
| 02:40.12 | railer | interesting |
| 02:42.14 | linuxxr | finally |
| 02:42.33 | linuxxr | i ran 2 scripts |
| 02:42.35 | rooly|away | what'd you do, exactly linuxxr |
| 02:43.05 | linuxxr | well i removed sudo from your script |
| 02:43.21 | linuxxr | then ran it an got nothing |
| 02:44.40 | linuxxr | http://pastebin.com/d10d7074d |
| 02:45.57 | linuxxr | lots of stupid stuff there |
| 02:46.42 | linuxxr | myscript is an older script than script |
| 02:46.58 | linuxxr | rooly gave me script |
| 02:47.51 | Sargun | linuxxr, heya |
| 02:47.58 | Sargun | lindi-, you there? |
| 02:48.05 | linuxxr | of course when i got the rsa warning i deleted the revelant entry in ssh in my home dir |
| 02:48.14 | Sargun | linuxxr, heya |
| 02:48.18 | Sargun | linuxxr, what's the issue? |
| 02:48.35 | linuxxr | usb networking the 2008.8 |
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| 02:48.44 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.45 | Stroller | Sargun: where do you start? |
| 02:48.57 | Sargun | Stroller, huh? |
| 02:49.05 | Sargun | linuxxr, "ifconfig usb0" gives you what? |
| 02:49.07 | linuxxr | operator malfunction i think |
| 02:49.15 | Sargun | Damn, apple HQ didn't burn down. |
| 02:49.19 | Sargun | linuxxr, "ifconfig usb0" gives you what? |
| 02:49.28 | Sargun | linuxxr, what distro? |
| 02:49.30 | linuxxr | im in now |
| 02:49.55 | Sargun | ok.... |
| 02:49.57 | Sargun | Great. |
| 02:50.01 | Stroller | Well, ifconfig & iptables aren't found by his script, but we can't see the body of that script, Sargun, just for a start |
| 02:50.05 | linuxxr | read pastebin |
| 02:50.14 | Sargun | Stroller, because he was stupid and "<linuxxr> well i removed sudo from your script" |
| 02:50.22 | Sargun | I use the word "stupid" lightly |
| 02:50.39 | rooly|away | just did it as root instead |
| 02:50.41 | rooly|away | same effect |
| 02:50.43 | linuxxr | an ran as root im so stupid |
| 02:50.44 | Stroller | We don't get to see the ifconfig of the other interfaces, I don't think |
| 02:50.56 | Stroller | Sargun: no that would give a permissions denied |
| 02:51.02 | Sargun | Stroller, No.... |
| 02:51.02 | Stroller | It's a paths problem |
| 02:51.05 | Sargun | sh: ifconfig: command not found |
| 02:51.11 | Sargun | How did he turn into root? |
| 02:51.15 | Sargun | Did you ask him that? |
| 02:51.17 | rooly|away | su |
| 02:51.19 | Sargun | su - |
| 02:51.23 | Sargun | Is the right way. |
| 02:51.25 | Sargun | Hun. |
| 02:51.37 | linuxxr | yup |
| 02:51.40 | linuxxr | i did |
| 02:51.42 | Stroller | Sargun: it doesn't matter. He doesn't give enough information. That's why I said "where do you start" |
| 02:51.44 | linuxxr | mame |
| 02:51.49 | Stroller | (ps: I'm right, you're wrong) |
| 02:51.54 | rooly|away | sighs |
| 02:51.57 | rooly|away | he's got it working |
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| 02:52.05 | linuxxr | yes i does |
| 02:52.09 | Sargun | Stroller, good point. |
| 02:52.15 | aggtrfrad | which module is loader for the wifi? |
| 02:52.22 | aggtrfrad | loaded* |
| 02:53.45 | Stroller | <3s Bash "HISTCONTROL=erasedups" |
| 02:55.53 | railer | anyone know if I can create a directory structure in 2008.8 i've installed many programs and the front page is too full now, any suggestions? |
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| 02:59.01 | linuxxr | railer u got wifi working? |
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| 02:59.50 | linuxxr | if so --how |
| 03:00.22 | Sargun | Stroller, thanks for the hint. |
| 03:00.33 | rooly|away | linuxxr: i have a wifi script plus a wpa_supplicant |
| 03:00.36 | Stroller | Which one was that? |
| 03:00.42 | Stroller | is full of 'em tonight |
| 03:01.11 | Sargun | Stroller, does it erase adjacent duplicates only? |
| 03:01.41 | Stroller | (ps: I'm still right about the ifconfig & iptables errors in linuxxr's pastebin being path-related) |
| 03:01.57 | Stroller | Sargun: seems like it only checks for duplicates when you use them |
| 03:02.10 | Sargun | Stroller, heh. |
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| 03:02.25 | Sargun | Stroller, usually when you "su -" it sets the PATH correctly. |
| 03:02.37 | Stroller | Ah! |
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| 03:03.25 | Stroller | I think my root & user $PATHs are generally the same |
| 03:03.45 | Stroller | IMO a script should use full paths |
| 03:04.06 | railer | linuxxr: railer u got wifi working? = gonna try now |
| 03:04.10 | Stroller | Possibly defined as $iptables (or whatever) so that you don't have to use them everytime |
| 03:04.53 | Stroller | Anyway ... if you've just started using HISTCONTROL=erasedups" (precede it by "export", but it in .bashrc) then your current history will sorta gradually clear up |
| 03:04.58 | Stroller | It seems |
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| 03:06.23 | Stroller | I use "\! \w $" (plus colors) for my bash prompt, so I keep seeing the number of lines in the history buffer drop every time I enter one of my favorite commands |
| 03:12.20 | linuxxr | ok rooly whip that stuff out |
| 03:12.47 | rooly|away | my wifi code? |
| 03:12.49 | rooly|away | script |
| 03:12.51 | rooly|away | okk |
| 03:13.16 | Dave | Railer! |
| 03:13.31 | richiefrich | no word on when the next shipment will be, i am guessing it is cause of China and the Olympics |
| 03:13.58 | richiefrich | i know the badges were late for defcon 16 |
| 03:14.03 | linuxxr | put on hold till next year oooo NOOOOS |
| 03:14.12 | richiefrich | linuxxr: seriously |
| 03:14.13 | richiefrich | ? |
| 03:14.23 | Dave | ieatlint, what's new? |
| 03:14.28 | linuxxr | i dont really know |
| 03:15.17 | linuxxr | can i have some wpa)supplicant? |
| 03:15.50 | richiefrich | no none for you |
| 03:15.53 | richiefrich | :p |
| 03:16.00 | Dave | hah :p |
| 03:16.03 | linuxxr | naggggit |
| 03:16.05 | Dave | now now |
| 03:16.14 | linuxxr | nangitt |
| 03:16.44 | linuxxr | those damn engineers are at it again |
| 03:17.26 | ieatlint | Dave, i've the programming working when the accelerometer is set to 8g |
| 03:17.37 | ieatlint | i still need to setup a UI so it i can quit it :P |
| 03:17.43 | rooly|away | http://rafb.net/p/fLT9Ib77.html linuxxr |
| 03:17.44 | linuxxr | hay 3 billion chinese can be right |
| 03:17.58 | linuxxr | thanks |
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| 03:18.30 | ieatlint | so i need to get it working with the accelerometer at 2g (8g is easier, since it generally only reports values of -180 to 180 in increments of 16) |
| 03:18.55 | ieatlint | (which makes it look really choppy as it jumps 16 pixels at a time) |
| 03:21.50 | Dave | 8g? |
| 03:21.59 | Dave | What are we talking about now? Gravity? :P |
| 03:22.25 | ieatlint | the accelerometers have two precision modes, 2g (default) and 8g |
| 03:22.43 | Dave | for when your in the middle of a dogfight and want to debug your freerunner? |
| 03:22.47 | kd8ikt | that i did not know |
| 03:22.50 | Dave | :P |
| 03:22.57 | Dave | BLASTOFF! |
| 03:23.05 | Dave | Oh, btw, you're perpendicular :P |
| 03:23.06 | ieatlint | 8g is way less precise, but i can just graph the coords it gives without anything extra |
| 03:23.09 | Dave | right |
| 03:23.14 | Dave | nice |
| 03:23.30 | Dave | I still say DocScrutinizer was right, gyros ftw. |
| 03:23.46 | ieatlint | yeah, but a gyro would've cost a lot more :P |
| 03:23.56 | ieatlint | they're like $70 or something |
| 03:24.23 | Dave | nah |
| 03:24.32 | Dave | but will get much more economical soon |
| 03:24.40 | Dave | Joerg made a whole big speech about this some time ago :) |
| 03:25.43 | raster | aaal most.... |
| 03:25.47 | ieatlint | gta03 then :P |
| 03:25.48 | raster | aaaalllllmmmmoooossstttt... |
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| 03:52.56 | trix | which is more stable at the moment, FSO or 2008.8? |
| 03:53.10 | trix | i installed qtopia only to find the keypad doesnt work during a call |
| 03:53.22 | trix | problematic |
| 03:53.34 | linuxxr | i thought it did work |
| 03:54.17 | linuxxr | was there not a tab to pull the keypad out from the call menu |
| 03:55.13 | daMaestro | sweet |
| 03:55.37 | trix | hmm |
| 03:55.38 | daMaestro | once i was able to boot with the new batteries, i was able to get the device into fast charge mode and it refreshed my failed battery |
| 03:55.53 | daMaestro | success! |
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| 03:57.36 | trix | yeah, no, the keypad comes out, i flick it right or left to change mode and it moves down so only half of it is visible, and none of it works |
| 03:57.41 | trix | unless i'm just not getting it. |
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| 04:01.20 | trix | weird its working now |
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| 04:02.26 | linuxxr | odd an slo setup |
| 04:02.36 | linuxxr | but it does work |
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| 04:06.34 | raster | MUHAHAHAHA |
| 04:06.44 | raster | let there be.. happiness! |
| 04:06.49 | raster | vkbd done |
| 04:07.16 | ieatlint | and i just need to setup a way to quit this program and it's essentially done |
| 04:07.43 | ieatlint | somehow i'm betting my accomplishment fails in comparison to yours |
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| 04:10.18 | lu_zero | raster yai! |
| 04:11.40 | raster | just building myself a new image |
| 04:11.50 | raster | illume kbd now lets u switch not only layouts |
| 04:11.55 | raster | and write your own .kbd layout files |
| 04:12.03 | raster | but also let us generate your own dictionary files |
| 04:12.09 | raster | anmd flip language/dicts on the fly |
| 04:12.17 | raster | dicts suport eithe rplay unix dict style |
| 04:12.41 | raster | ie 1 word per line (tho illume requires they be sorted ignoring case) |
| 04:12.52 | ieatlint | nice |
| 04:13.02 | raster | (so u need to take a system dict file and 'sort -f' it) |
| 04:13.07 | ieatlint | i liked that about my nokia... could switch languages on the fly |
| 04:13.08 | raster | so any unix dict file can be used |
| 04:13.20 | raster | drop it in therfe after a sort -f as Mylanguage.dic |
| 04:13.26 | raster | but even better |
| 04:13.33 | raster | it ALSo supports.. frequency tables |
| 04:13.39 | ieatlint | nice |
| 04:13.45 | raster | egL |
| 04:13.51 | raster | a 23363 |
| 04:13.51 | raster | abandoned 25 |
| 04:13.51 | raster | Abel 20 |
| 04:13.51 | raster | ability 74 |
| 04:13.51 | raster | able 216 |
| 04:13.52 | raster | aboard 25 |
| 04:13.54 | raster | about 1815 |
| 04:13.55 | ieatlint | how about a way to override dctionary suggestions? |
| 04:13.59 | raster | so same format basically as a unix dict |
| 04:14.02 | raster | BUT a space |
| 04:14.04 | raster | then a number |
| 04:14.05 | linuxxee | where is the terminal program for 2008.8? |
| 04:14.11 | raster | the higher the number the "more used" the word is |
| 04:14.17 | linuxxee | am i just missing it? |
| 04:14.20 | raster | so if u want |
| 04:14.22 | raster | wqrite some perl |
| 04:14.27 | raster | to trawl the web |
| 04:14.30 | raster | or your docuemnts |
| 04:14.31 | raster | or emails |
| 04:14.34 | raster | and genarate a dict file |
| 04:14.42 | raster | with frequency of word occurance there |
| 04:14.54 | raster | so the dict matching is better as more common words will match more accurately |
| 04:15.06 | raster | i provides a small sample file for a us english dict |
| 04:15.25 | raster | (theres 2 english dicts - normal 98,000 entry one and a 5000 entry one with frequency info) |
| 04:15.30 | raster | as for override |
| 04:15.33 | raster | u have a personal dict |
| 04:15.39 | raster | anything you enter goes into the personal dict |
| 04:16.03 | raster | and its saved separately in ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic |
| 04:16.11 | raster | u'll see a personal.dic file appear |
| 04:16.18 | raster | illume handles writign toit keepign it sorted etc. |
| 04:16.27 | raster | and keeps a frequency usage count there too |
| 04:16.34 | raster | it always takes preference over the system dict |
| 04:16.50 | raster | so baiscally the thing will learn and be trained by your usage |
| 04:16.59 | raster | the result of trainign is a simpel text file u can edit |
| 04:17.01 | raster | or copy around |
| 04:17.02 | raster | etc. |
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| 04:17.20 | raster | u can install personal dictionaries in ~/.e/e/dicts/ too that take preference over system dictsa |
| 04:17.22 | raster | :) |
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| 04:17.54 | lu_zero | impressive |
| 04:18.46 | raster | not really |
| 04:18.53 | raster | just what is needed |
| 04:18.56 | raster | and users really want |
| 04:19.00 | raster | i wasnt finished |
| 04:19.13 | raster | the terminal kbd layout bypasses the dictionary |
| 04:19.22 | raster | so u wont get issues with it trying to correct your termnal commands |
| 04:19.32 | raster | but i'll need steady fingers/fingernails or a stylus |
| 04:19.47 | raster | as fittign in al the extar symbol and number and whatever chars makes it cramped |
| 04:20.16 | raster | anyway |
| 04:20.22 | raster | the illume kbd is now up to snuff |
| 04:20.26 | raster | as i had intended |
| 04:20.30 | raster | it has only 1 small issue |
| 04:20.40 | raster | it may not quite handle utf8 intl chars right in dictionary matching |
| 04:20.49 | raster | i hve most of that done properly.. i think |
| 04:20.54 | raster | but not really tested |
| 04:21.04 | raster | now i can write a wiki page about it all... |
| 04:21.14 | raster | but first.. reflahs and look at thins connman.wifi goop |
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| 04:27.51 | linuxxee | yay the installer is updating |
| 04:27.56 | ljp | goop. is that a technical term? |
| 04:30.37 | linuxxee | finally |
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| 04:36.13 | ljp | OM needs to build prelink |
| 04:36.52 | linuxxee | now prolly they come out with an updated fix but it is a learning experience anyways |
| 04:38.02 | raster | ljp: bah humbug.. prelink shmelink... (unless you like c++!) |
| 04:38.03 | raster | :) |
| 04:40.21 | ljp | well, you habe to admit, prelink is a pretty cool trick |
| 04:40.26 | ljp | have |
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| 04:41.16 | raster | interesting trick... |
| 04:41.21 | raster | but does lead to... issues |
| 04:41.53 | lu_zero | ljp you may try to cleanup your code and use the toolchain a bit better before doing that... |
| 04:42.06 | ljp | my code |
| 04:43.10 | ljp | and if yo uhave suggests on how to use the toolchian a it better i am all ears |
| 04:44.09 | raster | lu_zero: c++... there is no cleaning it up :) |
| 04:44.19 | raster | the compiler generates a veritable mountain of mangles symbols |
| 04:44.35 | raster | thats kind of theprice u pay for all the oo/features it gives u |
| 04:44.37 | lu_zero | raster I was more thinking about braindamaged C |
| 04:44.44 | raster | in c - u explicitly create symbols. |
| 04:45.00 | raster | lu_zero: oh no - ljp works for troll.. err. nokia/.. qt. it's c++ |
| 04:45.10 | lu_zero | ahh |
| 04:45.23 | raster | c - even if braindamagesd barely scrapes the bottom of the # of symbols c++ generates |
| 04:45.30 | raster | i haveplayed with prelink with c |
| 04:45.42 | raster | and have found ti to be "neglegable" in terms of help |
| 04:45.43 | raster | if any at all |
| 04:45.50 | raster | i couldnt even reliably measure a speedup |
| 04:46.04 | raster | iyt was not worth it in tersm of the added pain/breaks/complexity |
| 04:46.14 | raster | i cant say one way or another for c++ |
| 04:46.20 | raster | but i hear ist "the shit" for that |
| 04:46.21 | lu_zero | I see |
| 04:46.48 | raster | i've been using the gcc visibility flags for years anyway in my c |
| 04:46.53 | raster | so i doubt it really can help much |
| 04:47.01 | raster | well not me |
| 04:47.10 | lu_zero | using visibility and doing symbol accounting helps a lot =P |
| 04:47.30 | baird | I would tihnk it wouldn't matter on a system with flash storage, with seek times to load in the dynamic libraries essentially zero. (...making little different if the libs are 'inside' the executible, or on disk) |
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| 04:50.26 | raster | baird: u havent done flash benchmarks on the freerunner |
| 04:50.27 | raster | sure |
| 04:50.33 | raster | seek time are not to bad |
| 04:50.34 | raster | BUT |
| 04:50.39 | raster | IO throughput... |
| 04:50.42 | linuxxee | the installer on 2008.8 how do i scroll the maps down or up? |
| 04:50.42 | raster | giggles |
| 04:51.06 | raster | lu_zero: as i siad.. i've done some benchmarkign and found it basically to not help me :( |
| 04:51.07 | linuxxee | it just wiggles there |
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| 04:52.31 | ljp | synbol visibility helps heaps in qtopia |
| 04:52.36 | lu_zero | raster then you wrote your code optimally from start |
| 04:53.25 | raster | ljp: yeah... c++ mangling goop :) |
| 04:54.35 | ljp | funny how that c++ mangling goop is faster than that gtk++ poop |
| 04:55.14 | raster | never seen a benchmark |
| 04:56.25 | ljp | a year or two ago I blogged about startup times in qtopia vs gpe |
| 04:56.35 | raster | oooh |
| 04:56.42 | raster | not sure thats really mangling goops related |
| 04:56.43 | ljp | with comparable apps calender vs calender |
| 04:56.49 | raster | more just gtk silliness and other silliness |
| 04:57.06 | raster | i've seen enough silliness around before to be sure its NOT symbol stuff |
| 04:57.06 | raster | :) |
| 04:57.36 | raster | lik4e excessive round trips to x for one |
| 04:57.45 | raster | i recently found utter silliness in ecore_x |
| 04:57.52 | raster | i was doing 250 or so round trips on init |
| 04:57.54 | raster | i cut that down to 1 |
| 04:57.59 | raster | my bad |
| 04:58.02 | raster | mea culpa |
| 05:07.22 | ljp | when are you going to make an efl only phone gui? |
| 05:09.01 | doc|home | right after jeb bush gets elected |
| 05:09.14 | doc|home | it'll be a cold day in texas that day |
| 05:10.00 | ieatlint | isn't fso essentially efl? |
| 05:10.16 | ronny | hmm |
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| 05:18.33 | Sargun | FSO looks so cool. |
| 05:18.42 | Sargun | EFL? |
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| 05:22.13 | ljp | eclectic foundation libraries |
| 05:22.25 | raster | ja |
| 05:22.26 | doc|home | raster: any idea how open the qualcomm snapdragon chip mentioned on the mailing list is? |
| 05:22.32 | doc|home | haha, eclectic, nice |
| 05:22.42 | doc|home | takes the gun from raster |
| 05:22.49 | raster | doc|home: no idea. its qualcomm. not the beacon of openness |
| 05:22.51 | raster | :) |
| 05:22.56 | doc|home | aye, thought so :-/ |
| 05:23.00 | raster | all i know if what you know |
| 05:23.05 | raster | the list of specs they put up on their site |
| 05:23.15 | raster | i heard s rumor the gfx unit is ati based |
| 05:23.16 | doc|home | he mentions "linux support", whatever that means |
| 05:23.22 | raster | but that may or may not have any truth to it |
| 05:23.26 | raster | sure |
| 05:23.28 | raster | linux support |
| 05:23.31 | raster | if u sign nda's |
| 05:23.36 | raster | and closed drivers for anythign thatcan be closed |
| 05:23.41 | raster | of course... |
| 05:24.01 | doc|home | yeah, thought as much |
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| 05:26.08 | ljp | thinks enlightenment needs a better default theme/colors |
| 05:26.44 | raster | ljp: basing on what sample? |
| 05:27.47 | ljp | based on what my eyes can stand :) |
| 05:28.09 | baird | Just ran bonnie++ on my Neo: block input ~6.1MB/s, block output ~1.8MB/s, 620 seeks/s |
| 05:28.22 | ronny | hmm, i hate the new ui |
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| 05:29.36 | ljp | why? what did it ever do to you? |
| 05:29.44 | raster | ljp: based on what theme/config? |
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| 05:29.51 | raster | u know we are chznging the default theme |
| 05:30.23 | undrwater | raster: good to hear ;) |
| 05:31.25 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17-new-theme-shot.png |
| 05:31.37 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/mydesk-01.png |
| 05:31.41 | raster | for some examples |
| 05:31.51 | raster | its not in head currently and benig done separately |
| 05:32.02 | raster | then 2nd one is newer |
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| 05:32.54 | undrwater | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.08 | raster | hehehe |
| 05:33.16 | raster | well its our conservative B&W look |
| 05:33.22 | raster | everything is b&W |
| 05:33.25 | ljp | yes, much better looking |
| 05:33.26 | undrwater | the icons too? |
| 05:33.29 | raster | with the most minimal of coloring only if needed |
| 05:33.38 | raster | the icons are almost all just standard system ones |
| 05:33.41 | raster | not all is done yet |
| 05:33.49 | raster | u can see what isnt done as it doesnt fit |
| 05:33.49 | raster | :) |
| 05:33.54 | undrwater | yep |
| 05:33.58 | raster | if its an app icon in a menu - its whatever the app installs |
| 05:34.03 | raster | if its desktop file icons |
| 05:34.05 | ljp | and is e17 ever going to get released? ;) |
| 05:34.10 | raster | well they are just mine i downloaded |
| 05:34.16 | doc|home | raster: nice theme |
| 05:34.21 | raster | ljp: yes... we need to knock off some TODO item |
| 05:34.21 | doc|home | s |
| 05:34.23 | raster | items |
| 05:34.26 | undrwater | i like the bamboo icon |
| 05:34.27 | raster | filemanager needs finishing |
| 05:34.29 | raster | new theme |
| 05:34.32 | raster | and wizard |
| 05:34.34 | raster | thats it for major work |
| 05:34.40 | raster | the rest is just a litnay of cleanups |
| 05:34.40 | ljp | raster: DD |
| 05:34.46 | raster | and bugfixing etc. etc. |
| 05:34.53 | raster | cleaning up loose ends |
| 05:35.07 | undrwater | what was that bar thingy? enlightenment? what happened to that? |
| 05:35.14 | ljp | wshes gta01 had wifi |
| 05:35.18 | doc|home | undrwater: eh? |
| 05:35.25 | raster | undrwater: bar thingy? |
| 05:35.57 | undrwater | hrm...yeah...in your screenies...that's the ibar, right? there was one that was like os x |
| 05:36.15 | raster | i dont use any like that |
| 05:36.25 | raster | i prefer not to go just copying another os's ui |
| 05:36.31 | raster | i like to think slightly originally |
| 05:36.40 | doc|home | raster: is it normal for the menu to be a bit laggy? |
| 05:36.41 | raster | the osx dock actually annoys me |
| 05:36.45 | raster | it may look funky |
| 05:36.50 | raster | but i just dont like it |
| 05:36.58 | raster | doc|home: what menu? |
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| 05:37.10 | doc|home | the normal desktop menu |
| 05:37.13 | ljp | yes, it needs to be at the top |
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| 05:37.23 | raster | doc|home: which on e- the menu with the apps? |
| 05:37.26 | raster | or other ones |
| 05:37.28 | undrwater | raster: anyway...i have a laptop waiting for this theme and the release!! look forward to it! :) |
| 05:37.29 | raster | ie internal ones? |
| 05:37.35 | lu_zero | raster btw |
| 05:37.42 | lu_zero | e is still strangely broken on ppc =_= |
| 05:37.48 | raster | ? |
| 05:37.50 | raster | hmm |
| 05:37.53 | raster | shouldnt be |
| 05:37.53 | doc|home | raster: the one titled "Main" |
| 05:38.04 | raster | doc|home: whihc bit of it? |
| 05:38.10 | raster | lots of menus/submenus there |
| 05:38.32 | doc|home | exactly, so, could that be increased a bit, it can be very annoying :) |
| 05:38.43 | doc|home | er, the speed of |
| 05:38.50 | raster | ? |
| 05:38.54 | raster | i dont get it |
| 05:38.58 | lu_zero | rebuilt it 4 days ago and all the themes beside winter got the first button cover all the window area |
| 05:39.00 | raster | what bit of the menu |
| 05:39.01 | raster | all of it |
| 05:39.08 | raster | system |
| 05:39.10 | raster | desktops |
| 05:39.13 | raster | windows |
| 05:39.26 | raster | or just udner applications/'favorite applications ? |
| 05:39.34 | doc|home | ok, so, I went into Main -> Applications and there were a number of subfolders, when I roll the mouse from top to bottom and back up again it lags about half way down and nothing happens |
| 05:39.42 | doc|home | but it has happened in other sections too |
| 05:39.45 | raster | lu_zero: the default works tho? |
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| 05:40.24 | raster | doc|home: umm. shouldnt lag. well ok the APPLICATIONs submenu is generated - on the fly from the .desktop files and xml .menu files |
| 05:40.34 | raster | so all the icons and so on are loaded from disk on demand |
| 05:40.40 | raster | that can and will cause lag |
| 05:40.40 | doc|home | could that be cached possibly? |
| 05:40.50 | raster | as the drawing pipeline waits for all data to be available |
| 05:40.55 | raster | it is cached |
| 05:41.04 | lu_zero | raster nope |
| 05:41.04 | raster | so the first time u do it it'll lag |
| 05:41.16 | raster | lu_zero: default also broken? |
| 05:41.29 | raster | lu_zero: u dont have some old copy of default in ~/.e/e/themes ? |
| 05:41.29 | doc|home | raster: but it happens all the time |
| 05:41.37 | raster | doc|home: what theme? |
| 05:41.41 | doc|home | default |
| 05:41.45 | raster | doc|home: also do u have dropshadows on or not? |
| 05:41.54 | doc|home | nope |
| 05:42.04 | lu_zero | raster I tried with a new user to rule out that issue |
| 05:42.09 | doc|home | they didn't work so well when one window was over another |
| 05:42.12 | doc|home | iirc |
| 05:42.27 | raster | lu_zero: odd. i don't know. would need to try this on a ppc box and dig. |
| 05:42.34 | raster | i havent heard this until now |
| 05:42.37 | raster | so either its brand new |
| 05:42.48 | raster | or it could be something your end |
| 05:42.53 | raster | but what - don't know |
| 05:42.56 | lu_zero | raster I could try to rebuild from scratch again |
| 05:43.11 | lu_zero | the strange thing is that winter is working fine |
| 05:43.22 | raster | doc|home: really not too sure. for me the menus pop up and down blazingly fast ans samoothly |
| 05:43.26 | raster | and thats with dropshadows on etc. |
| 05:43.36 | raster | did u turn off caches? |
| 05:43.41 | doc|home | don't know to be honest, anything I can send to help? |
| 05:43.52 | doc|home | I don't think so, in fact, I think I increased it because of this |
| 05:44.57 | raster | not using xrender engine? |
| 05:45.10 | doc|home | 15fps, 512ticks cache flush, 0.5mb font cache, 16mb image cache, 64 edje files, 128 collections |
| 05:45.16 | doc|home | xrender? god no :) |
| 05:45.18 | raster | i'm sitting here swizzling my menu up and down and its responding immediately to anything i do |
| 05:45.24 | raster | of course there is a motion and lag detector |
| 05:45.30 | raster | if i slide overr the menu very fast |
| 05:45.40 | raster | it wont open submenus until i settle down on an item |
| 05:45.50 | doc|home | raster: yeah, and it's working fine for me, but every once in a while I'll go back to it and it'll lag |
| 05:45.53 | linuxxee | yay |
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| 05:46.16 | raster | there is right now soem bizarre bug that every now and again e goes all goofy |
| 05:46.25 | raster | with all the theme edje states being whacked |
| 05:46.32 | raster | thngs like deskto selections inverting |
| 05:46.37 | raster | entirely unsure what causes it tho |
| 05:47.24 | doc|home | oh, and can there be a drag box on the desktop to select things and when you hit the delete key it could delete them? |
| 05:47.27 | doc|home | :) |
| 05:48.14 | goodwill | google reader sucks |
| 05:48.29 | undrwater | goodwill: what kind of reader is it? |
| 05:48.36 | goodwill | there are new items in the feed btu no matter what I do it does not see it |
| 05:48.41 | goodwill | rss reader |
| 05:49.10 | undrwater | ahh |
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| 05:51.05 | raster | doc|home: yes. delete for "Deleting fileS" is something i should add soemtime - not touching filemanager currently tho as GSOC student are fiddling with it |
| 05:51.27 | raster | doc|home: as for drag. thats a bit of a problem as that conflicts with other bindings and actions. |
| 05:51.33 | raster | clic+drag will pop up a menu |
| 05:51.58 | raster | as e handles menus both in click+release style as WELL as click+drag (oldstyle) |
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| 06:03.33 | doc|home | raster: what about ctrl-click-drag? |
| 06:03.45 | raster | could be done |
| 06:04.02 | raster | but right now efm isnt even listening for events on the desktop other than thew icons it places there |
| 06:04.07 | doc|home | ok |
| 06:06.52 | raster | right now |
| 06:06.55 | raster | thats not a major problem tho |
| 06:07.03 | raster | dnd is entirely probken on the desktop atm |
| 06:07.17 | raster | i think seb ot dave commited somethng to break it |
| 06:07.24 | raster | i havent gotten around to looking at it |
| 06:09.56 | doc|home | ok, was just an idea anyway, not a major deal |
| 06:10.25 | raster | :) |
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| 06:13.04 | genii | Has there been yet anything to utilize the tilt sensors? |
| 06:14.15 | undrwater | genii: check the lists...there's a youtube video of it's use as well |
| 06:15.25 | genii | OK thanks |
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| 06:19.10 | kd8ikt | k anyone get diversity wifi to work? |
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| 06:26.23 | kd8ikt | ah its for fso |
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| 06:36.23 | railer | no on div wifi |
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| 06:38.03 | railer | on the home 2008.8 any ability to add folders? |
| 06:38.12 | railer | games folder? |
| 06:38.31 | linuxxr | still trying to wifi |
| 06:38.38 | linuxxr | ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported |
| 06:38.58 | linuxxr | mkdir? |
| 06:39.13 | linuxxr | in the terminal |
| 06:39.23 | railer | where is the "home" folder? |
| 06:40.33 | linuxxr | ima noob |
| 06:40.59 | linuxxr | cd / |
| 06:41.04 | linuxxr | ls |
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| 06:43.46 | railer | no that not what i'm talking about |
| 06:44.43 | linuxxr | cd /home |
| 06:44.44 | railer | where is the file/directory that organizes all the programs displayed on the "Home" on the FR |
| 06:44.46 | genii | railer: cd ~ then look at what file path you seem to be in |
| 06:45.32 | railer | the home directory you guys are talking about has nothing |
| 06:45.50 | linuxxr | ima noob |
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| 06:49.44 | railer | ima noob? who are you talking to? |
| 06:50.12 | linuxxr | about me |
| 06:50.18 | linuxxr | me ima noob |
| 06:50.56 | linuxxr | almost looks macish |
| 06:51.33 | railer | well did the wifi never work? |
| 06:52.01 | linuxxr | nope |
| 06:52.26 | linuxxr | anyways installer didnt use it |
| 06:52.34 | railer | did you try manually setting it up? |
| 06:52.45 | linuxxr | i dont know how |
| 06:53.00 | railer | iwlist scan |
| 06:53.04 | linuxxr | ok |
| 06:53.07 | railer | did you try that? |
| 06:53.17 | linuxxr | not yet |
| 06:53.29 | railer | that will let you scan |
| 06:53.34 | linuxxr | i have a terminal |
| 06:53.48 | railer | you see any wifi sites? |
| 06:54.55 | railer | found em /usr/share/applications |
| 06:55.30 | linuxxr | yup i see my wifi |
| 06:56.01 | linuxxr | ssid is there |
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| 06:56.54 | railer | well that's a start |
| 06:57.18 | railer | did you make a wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 06:57.22 | linuxxr | yup |
| 06:57.31 | linuxxr | u wanna see it? |
| 06:57.47 | railer | ya |
| 06:57.48 | linuxxr | my network is open |
| 06:58.07 | railer | easier |
| 06:59.11 | railer | this thing is long to boot |
| 06:59.17 | linuxxr | http://pastebin.com/d3860a7b7 |
| 06:59.34 | linuxxr | i hope its not that way in me freerunner |
| 06:59.43 | linuxxr | at the bottom |
| 07:00.21 | railer | take out the second network |
| 07:00.31 | linuxxr | ok |
| 07:00.48 | linuxxr | an the root@openmoko at the bottom |
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| 07:03.17 | railer | yes |
| 07:05.30 | linuxxr | booting |
| 07:05.38 | linuxxr | booting |
| 07:07.07 | linuxxr | didnt hang at 59% very long |
| 07:07.37 | railer | ? |
| 07:10.19 | railer | there's a booting image :http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/92/39/22423992.jpg |
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| 07:12.10 | linuxxr | that is too |
| 07:12.20 | linuxxr | a boot image |
| 07:13.01 | linuxxr | so nows im booted up again an i ran iwlist scan |
| 07:14.50 | railer | you can still see the ap I assume |
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| 07:19.19 | linuxxr | yup |
| 07:19.42 | linuxxr | cant ping www.google.com |
| 07:20.01 | linuxxr | bad address |
| 07:20.13 | trix | are repos set up with 2008.8? are there daily updates? |
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| 07:20.44 | kd8ikt | linuxxr: |
| 07:21.00 | kd8ikt | wifi is up? grabbed an ip with dhcp? |
| 07:21.02 | linuxxr | wat? |
| 07:21.20 | linuxxr | i check |
| 07:21.57 | kd8ikt | i mean... you ran wpa_supplicant right? then udhcpc a few sec later (after wpa_supplicant associates with an AP) |
| 07:22.24 | railer | linuxxr run these 3 lines: |
| 07:22.24 | railer | ifup eth0 |
| 07:22.24 | railer | wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B |
| 07:22.24 | railer | udhcpc eth0 |
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| 07:23.20 | kd8ikt | omfg fso is pissing me off |
| 07:23.53 | linuxxr | sending discover |
| 07:23.53 | railer | so anyone know how to add a folder to /usr/share/applications/ so it shows up on the HOME of the FR? |
| 07:24.08 | linuxxr | failed |
| 07:24.14 | kd8ikt | no folders but .desktop file |
| 07:24.43 | kd8ikt | cat /usr/share/applications/something.desktop for an example |
| 07:24.48 | railer | ya but I have like 30+ .desktop now a little organization would be helpful |
| 07:25.23 | kd8ikt | dont think thats a possibility |
| 07:25.40 | railer | that sucks |
| 07:25.45 | railer | why not? |
| 07:25.52 | kd8ikt | and how the fuck did you get 30 finger apps |
| 07:26.20 | railer | well start with tasks-openmoko-games |
| 07:26.23 | kd8ikt | i cant even install one with milestone one opkg thinks its smarter them me |
| 07:26.57 | railer | actually 36 and rising |
| 07:27.09 | kd8ikt | using 2008 |
| 07:27.12 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 07:27.22 | railer | ya |
| 07:27.26 | railer | 2008.8 |
| 07:27.50 | kd8ikt | i think that stupid install button at the bottom is lame |
| 07:27.52 | railer | both calcs , comic reader |
| 07:28.09 | kd8ikt | like jesus christ i need that on a home screen? |
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| 07:28.21 | railer | hold on |
| 07:28.26 | kd8ikt | hide it in settings or somethin |
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| 07:28.45 | railer | ya like a directory! |
| 07:30.07 | kd8ikt | its a desktop, so those are desktop icons/launchers... even if you hacked a folder.dektop how would you jump back? |
| 07:31.09 | kd8ikt | now if the desktop was a desktop/filemanager/launcher hack that would be neat aswell |
| 07:31.52 | railer | a launcher to take me to another launcher directory would be nice |
| 07:32.20 | railer | how do you take a screen shot now? |
| 07:34.26 | ieatlint | kd8ikt, http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/dot/dot.tgz |
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| 07:35.06 | ieatlint | try running it with no options, then try running it with "-p" (-h for help) |
| 07:35.09 | ieatlint | has two modes... |
| 07:36.11 | ieatlint | oh, and to quit, shake the phone (heh, adding a button to exit would've been a lot more effort) |
| 07:37.02 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 07:37.13 | kd8ikt | is flashing fso at the moment |
| 07:37.22 | railer | how do I use gpe-scap on 2008.8 |
| 07:37.24 | railer | ? |
| 07:37.47 | railer | nm t |
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| 07:37.54 | kd8ikt | you still messin with fso lint? |
| 07:39.10 | ieatlint | i use fso as my primary phone |
| 07:39.20 | ieatlint | but what i just wrote works for any enlightenment |
| 07:39.38 | ieatlint | confirmed working in fso and 2008.8 |
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| 07:40.27 | ieatlint | i'd take a screen shot or two, but it wouldn't look too interesting and fso's screenshot app is borked due to localisation issues and 2008.8 doesn't seem to have it installed |
| 07:40.28 | kd8ikt | i tried adding some repo's to milestone two and opkg was being a bitch and wouldnt install anything |
| 07:41.11 | raster | kd8ikt: aaaactually. the desktopo is e17's own filemanager widget :) |
| 07:41.19 | raster | i just recycled it |
| 07:41.36 | raster | so as such.. in theory all the nuts and bolts are there for having subdirectories etc. |
| 07:41.54 | raster | theres a veritable mountain of functionality tucked away into enlightenment on OM |
| 07:41.58 | raster | same as the desktop really |
| 07:42.37 | kd8ikt | i guess i should move my laptops desktop to e17 and get more familiar with it |
| 07:43.01 | raster | dont need to move |
| 07:43.08 | raster | u car try it inside xephyr/xnest |
| 07:43.12 | ieatlint | so raster, are you involved with e, or just a huge e proponent? |
| 07:43.23 | raster | ieatlint: HAHAHAHAH |
| 07:43.33 | ieatlint | not to be confused with the drug :P |
| 07:43.58 | raster | i wrote most of it |
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| 07:44.05 | raster | along with EFL |
| 07:44.10 | raster | not all |
| 07:44.30 | raster | but a veritably large chunk - and pretty much all of the base development before things are "usable" i did. |
| 07:44.46 | raster | considering i started e about a decade or so ago :) |
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| 07:46.24 | ieatlint | well, good job :P |
| 07:46.36 | ieatlint | this morning i didn't know efl in the slightest |
| 07:47.07 | ieatlint | and after working through some woefully documented apis, i still managed to meet my end goal... and it runs much more smoothly than gtk ever could |
| 07:47.45 | kd8ikt | thats really cool |
| 07:49.16 | raster | ieatlint: personally.. that says something |
| 07:49.18 | raster | with woeful docs |
| 07:49.20 | kd8ikt | omg generate the rsa key already i want in! |
| 07:49.21 | raster | u still get it working |
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| 07:49.27 | ieatlint | i think what i wrote vaguely accomplishes your "level" intentions with the whole bubble thing |
| 07:49.28 | raster | and it meets/exceeds expectations |
| 07:49.36 | raster | and that makes me happy |
| 07:49.38 | raster | welcome to my world |
| 07:49.39 | raster | :) |
| 07:49.52 | ieatlint | hah, yeah, well, it wasn't the most complicated goal :P |
| 07:50.09 | ieatlint | it's an icon on a background that moves using the accelerometers |
| 07:50.13 | kd8ikt | not at all |
| 07:50.34 | ieatlint | well, an accelerometer, not both |
| 07:51.06 | raster | :) |
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| 07:52.12 | ieatlint | the api doc is also incomplete i learnt |
| 07:52.46 | kd8ikt | howd you figure it out then |
| 07:52.51 | ieatlint | anyway, no one ever said this stuff was supposed to be easy :P |
| 07:52.52 | raster | it is |
| 07:52.58 | kd8ikt | trial and error? |
| 07:53.04 | raster | the problem is the usual programmers dilemma |
| 07:53.15 | raster | wrote more useful code and add a feature u want/need |
| 07:53.18 | ieatlint | no, searching google for code examples and seeing functions being used that weren't in the docs, heh |
| 07:53.19 | raster | or spend time writign docs |
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| 07:53.27 | ieatlint | yep |
| 07:53.32 | raster | or spend time writing examples and code using the api's |
| 07:53.42 | raster | invariably docs are the least fun of it all |
| 07:53.45 | railer | I cant figure out how to do a screen shot |
| 07:53.46 | raster | so they get punted to the back |
| 07:53.47 | raster | :) |
| 07:53.48 | ieatlint | when i sucked at programming, i commented a lot and wrote docs a lot ... when i started getting better, i stopped, hehe |
| 07:54.20 | kd8ikt | is at the comment every line stage |
| 07:54.37 | ieatlint | hey, it's a good way to start |
| 07:54.42 | railer | anyone remember the name of the scientific calc ? |
| 07:54.56 | Zorkman | HP48 or somehting like that? |
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| 07:56.30 | railer | nope |
| 07:56.51 | raster | ieatlint: its the way it goes |
| 07:56.57 | raster | after a while comments/docs are not useufl |
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| 07:57.05 | raster | a nicely named api call that tells u what it does |
| 07:57.06 | raster | and a .h file |
| 07:57.08 | raster | are all u need |
| 07:57.14 | raster | just read the .h |
| 07:57.20 | raster | lok at the datatypes and structs |
| 07:57.22 | raster | and api call names |
| 07:57.25 | raster | if i nee d- read the src |
| 07:57.33 | raster | as u are comfortable with reading src by then anyway |
| 07:57.34 | ieatlint | yep |
| 07:57.43 | ieatlint | that's how i was able to figure out your stuffs :P |
| 07:57.45 | raster | i know i SHOULD write more docs |
| 07:57.51 | raster | but... it's just not as much fun! |
| 07:57.54 | kd8ikt | oh wow thats really cool ieatlint |
| 07:57.54 | raster | :) |
| 07:58.00 | ieatlint | yeah, there are some things that are confusing |
| 07:58.04 | ieatlint | the layers thing, for instance |
| 07:58.10 | raster | aah |
| 07:58.12 | raster | dont touch layers |
| 07:58.14 | raster | unless u need them |
| 07:58.15 | ieatlint | took me a couple trial and error things to figure it out |
| 07:58.21 | raster | but tis a way of forcing absolute stacking layers |
| 07:58.28 | raster | withina layer u can raise/lower and stack |
| 07:58.32 | raster | lyer 1 is above 0 |
| 07:58.35 | raster | layer -1 is below 0 |
| 07:58.36 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 07:59.04 | raster | layer 999 is above 998 |
| 07:59.04 | raster | etc. |
| 07:59.04 | raster | its just a stackign priority really |
| 07:59.04 | ieatlint | well, i set the background as a png |
| 07:59.04 | ieatlint | and then in order to display stuff on it, setting a higher layer fixed it |
| 07:59.19 | ieatlint | kd8ikt, you download the app then? |
| 07:59.58 | kd8ikt | that is really neat |
| 08:00.40 | ieatlint | yeah, one could write some games with a little bit more work on it |
| 08:01.03 | ieatlint | i need to push my updates to svn |
| 08:01.26 | kd8ikt | like labrinth |
| 08:01.36 | kd8ikt | not using git? |
| 08:01.42 | ieatlint | nope |
| 08:02.01 | ieatlint | i'm whoring out space from friends for a wiki and a svn host with trac |
| 08:02.07 | ieatlint | pbwiki and devjavu |
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| 08:04.09 | ieatlint | the code is at lint.devjavu.com |
| 08:04.25 | ieatlint | the readme file up there for it is outdated... i'll fix it at some point |
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| 08:14.37 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r7736468a81a1 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): |
| 08:14.37 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: [oeventsd] Added RingTone action that takes the preferences into account |
| 08:14.37 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: It only considers the ring-tone (not the ring-volume yet) |
| 08:14.37 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: I had to rely on a smal hack to retrieve opreferences service without using DBus |
| 08:14.37 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: I hope Mickey will add some sort of 'get_object' method so that we can retrieve any registered object without using |
| 08:14.41 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: DBus |
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| 08:48.16 | kd8ikt | bleh |
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| 08:52.05 | ieatlint | something wrong then kd8ikt? |
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| 08:54.01 | kd8ikt | zhone |
| 08:54.10 | ieatlint | no audio? |
| 08:54.20 | kd8ikt | no nothin |
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| 08:55.11 | kd8ikt | press the check mark and it just sits there |
| 08:56.50 | ieatlint | you mean like the dial checkmark? |
| 08:56.57 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 08:57.15 | ieatlint | does it show your signal strength or does it just say "zhone!"? |
| 08:57.31 | kd8ikt | both blue and green showing strength |
| 08:57.40 | ieatlint | huh, weird |
| 08:57.55 | ieatlint | i hard audio issues because it had the wrong alsa state set by default |
| 08:59.36 | Zorkman | "opkg: invalid magic |
| 08:59.39 | Zorkman | ?? |
| 08:59.51 | Zorkman | trying to opkg install gutenflash |
| 09:00.18 | ieatlint | sounds like witch craft |
| 09:00.21 | ieatlint | burn him! |
| 09:00.33 | Zorkman | i'm heavier than a duck! |
| 09:00.54 | ieatlint | ok, well, we'll drown you and find out |
| 09:00.58 | admiral0 | hi. has anyone created already qt4 ipk packages? |
| 09:02.00 | ieatlint | admiral0, as long as there are no followup questions, yes, yes someone has |
| 09:03.10 | Zorkman | anybody know where i can find python-string for the freerunner? (needed for gutenflash) |
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| 09:04.58 | admiral0 | ieatlint: so i can download them from somewhere? |
| 09:05.12 | admiral0 | is compiling qt for arm from ages |
| 09:05.25 | ieatlint | sorry, that's a followup question |
| 09:05.32 | kd8ikt | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/python-stringold_2.5.2-ml0_armv4t.ipk ? |
| 09:05.58 | admiral0 | ieatlint: ok... i'll just have to build qt... |
| 09:06.13 | admiral0 | and ipk packages for it |
| 09:06.31 | ieatlint | sounds like a plan, since you negated the existing ones by asking a question |
| 09:07.10 | admiral0 | ieatlint:? |
| 09:07.31 | ieatlint | sorry, i've been drinking |
| 09:08.09 | ieatlint | i only program when i've been drinking |
| 09:08.29 | admiral0 | lol |
| 09:08.53 | ieatlint | which is why i do a lot of "do while" loops in my code for no apparent reason |
| 09:08.56 | admiral0 | plays billiard when he's drunk |
| 09:09.22 | ieatlint | well, my apartment isn't big enough for that |
| 09:09.47 | Zorkman | you can get drunk outside of your appartement also ieatlint :) |
| 09:10.08 | admiral0 | Zorkman's right |
| 09:10.11 | admiral0 | :D |
| 09:10.13 | ieatlint | indeed i can |
| 09:10.17 | ieatlint | i can get drunk on the street here |
| 09:10.19 | kd8ikt | not worth a dui |
| 09:10.23 | ieatlint | yay for no alcohol in public laws! |
| 09:11.03 | ieatlint | and i live in sf... i can get to thousands of bars without a car |
| 09:11.57 | edistar | so soon we'll see thousands of lines of code filled with do while loops ;) |
| 09:12.07 | ieatlint | nested, even |
| 09:12.08 | admiral0 | bye to everybody... i've got some housework to do :( |
| 09:12.14 | Zorkman | bye |
| 09:13.07 | ieatlint | i also registered a 1-900 toll number and when people run programs i write, it dials the number so i get paid |
| 09:13.31 | Zorkman | lol :) |
| 09:14.17 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.18 | ieatlint | i still say that fso's frameworkd needs a simplistic security system to only allow authorised programs dial numbers or send sms |
| 09:14.24 | Zorkman | anybody knows where i can get it? |
| 09:14.54 | Zorkman | (as an ipk, to install gutenflash) |
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| 09:17.42 | kd8ikt | yeah ieatlint |
| 09:18.38 | edistar | ieatlint: you can implement security into dbus |
| 09:18.44 | kd8ikt | invisions my phone calling china late at night with a recorded penis enlargment ad |
| 09:19.08 | edistar | hahahaha |
| 09:19.38 | kd8ikt | though one could have some fun with a telephone botnet |
| 09:19.47 | ieatlint | uh huh, you keep telling us it's pre-recorded |
| 09:20.10 | kd8ikt | win that radio contest |
| 09:20.18 | ieatlint | edistar, i guess that just reflects the total lack of security in openmoko at the moment (ie, everything as root) |
| 09:20.35 | kd8ikt | really mess with pizza delivery stores |
| 09:21.01 | kd8ikt | yeah leaving the password empty is royaly stupid |
| 09:21.04 | ieatlint | screwing with pizza places somehow got old when i was a teenager :P |
| 09:21.12 | edistar | ieatlint: yes |
| 09:21.17 | ieatlint | kd8ikt, nah, that's not the issue |
| 09:21.37 | ieatlint | changing the password is a simple task |
| 09:21.44 | edistar | ieatlint: cause you can have some users being restricted etc.. so that they can't send specific dbus signals etc |
| 09:21.46 | ieatlint | reworking it all to run things as a user... not so simple |
| 09:22.18 | edistar | just install debian |
| 09:22.42 | ieatlint | yeah, they're known for security |
| 09:23.05 | ieatlint | (yes, i know i'm using a debian derivative on my phone now) |
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| 09:24.25 | edistar | derivative? |
| 09:24.47 | ieatlint | the openmoko images are using a debian base |
| 09:24.50 | edistar | no |
| 09:24.55 | edistar | they are based on angstrom |
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| 09:25.02 | ieatlint | hmmm |
| 09:25.12 | edistar | which itself is a distro using OE |
| 09:26.27 | ieatlint | well, it would appear i am misinformed |
| 09:26.45 | ieatlint | i'd try and come up with a name to shift blame to, but somehow my mind is blanking |
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| 09:26.54 | ieatlint | so, i blame captain morgan |
| 09:27.33 | edistar | glamo? |
| 09:27.50 | ieatlint | sure, glamo is something else to insult |
| 09:28.08 | ieatlint | i was pleased to learn it could rapidly draw a 32x23 pixmap... a bit surprised, really |
| 09:28.20 | kd8ikt | eh screw it i'm flashing the 2007 i just built |
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| 09:43.39 | lu_zero | sigh |
| 09:43.49 | lu_zero | looks like the battery died =_= |
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| 09:44.17 | dns53 | you doing the nokia battery switch trick? |
| 09:44.24 | ieatlint | died or deep discharged? |
| 09:44.35 | lu_zero | not that deep |
| 09:44.42 | lu_zero | managed to start nor |
| 09:44.51 | lu_zero | but doesn't make to the kernel |
| 09:44.54 | dns53 | does it charge from nor? |
| 09:45.09 | lu_zero | I think it does not |
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| 09:45.31 | ieatlint | i've never been to clear on that myself |
| 09:45.48 | ieatlint | i think they were working on it |
| 09:46.09 | lu_zero | sigh |
| 09:46.15 | dns53 | if you remove the battery but have the charger plugged in will it continue to boot? |
| 09:46.32 | lu_zero | nope |
| 09:46.34 | ieatlint | anyway, if you can't swap the battery out with another, the advised tactic is to remove the sim card and sd card, and pray it works |
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| 09:48.17 | lu_zero | I'll see |
| 09:48.39 | ieatlint | goodluck... |
| 09:48.53 | kd8ikt | need to init fastcharge i think |
| 09:49.12 | ieatlint | if you can't get it to work, find someone with a nokia phone that has a compatible battery |
| 09:49.16 | kd8ikt | can you get into uboot console? |
| 09:49.28 | lu_zero | yes |
| 09:49.33 | kd8ikt | get in the console and enable fastboot |
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| 09:49.39 | ieatlint | boot with their battery, plug the phone into the wall charger and swap to your dead battery |
| 09:49.41 | lu_zero | how |
| 09:49.44 | kd8ikt | er i mean fastcharge |
| 09:50.04 | lu_zero | the question still applies |
| 09:50.06 | lu_zero | how |
| 09:50.17 | ieatlint | yeah, i don't recall a fastcharge mode in uboot |
| 09:50.23 | ieatlint | but i'm curious enough to check.. one sec |
| 09:50.34 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader_commands#Forcing_fast_charge |
| 09:51.03 | kd8ikt | people have been known to make a special uboot menu option to enable it |
| 09:51.42 | ieatlint | ah, yeah, that could work, heh |
| 09:52.10 | kd8ikt | but i dunno if it will stay on long enough for him to acomplish it |
| 09:52.43 | kd8ikt | i'm glad i have an extra nocrapia battery |
| 09:52.48 | ieatlint | i seem to deep discharge a battery every few days |
| 09:53.16 | ieatlint | it will stop charging at times and start discharging even while still plugged in :( |
| 09:53.25 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:53.48 | ieatlint | huh |
| 09:53.54 | lu_zero | I guess I'll try to find a nokia battery |
| 09:54.08 | ieatlint | it's not an uncommon battery |
| 09:54.19 | ieatlint | just find someone with a nokia phone... new or old, you'll find one |
| 09:54.43 | kd8ikt | sure any cellular store would have em too |
| 09:54.52 | kd8ikt | but they wont be charged ;) |
| 09:55.02 | CVirus | why not ? |
| 09:55.12 | ieatlint | boot up with the nokia battery (the battery charge indicator will not work, btw), and with the wall charger plugged in (1A is kinda needed, if you can only muster 500mA, ensure the LCD is off and swap batteries very quickly) |
| 09:55.43 | ieatlint | and nokia phones will only charge official nokia batteries, so don't bother trying to charge your battery in a nokia phone |
| 09:56.00 | kd8ikt | yeah isnt that gay as hell |
| 09:56.08 | CVirus | hehe |
| 09:56.17 | kd8ikt | my nikia wont even boot with the neo battery |
| 09:56.19 | ieatlint | heh, yeah, but totally not an anti-trust violation :P |
| 09:56.38 | CVirus | Can the freerunner charge a nokia battery ? |
| 09:56.52 | ieatlint | in theory, but i've never tried |
| 09:57.12 | ieatlint | you can also buy li-ion chargers for not a lot of money to charge your batteries |
| 09:57.24 | dns53 | i don't think so, it knows it's not a neo and doesn't incase it would do damage |
| 09:58.17 | ieatlint | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8293 $20 li-ion (single cell) charger that takes 5v-12v dc and charges at 1A |
| 09:58.31 | ieatlint | (dc adapter sold separately, or provided by yourself) |
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| 09:58.43 | lu_zero | the wallcharger is doing the trick |
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| 09:59.23 | ieatlint | dns53, a li-ion battery is standard |
| 09:59.47 | ieatlint | it may no be default, but it should be capable of it |
| 10:00.09 | dns53 | well a lio has id pins and bad things happen when you put a wrong charge in, they WILL burn through the table and floor |
| 10:00.36 | ieatlint | indeed |
| 10:00.47 | ieatlint | but single cell 3.7v battery is pretty standard |
| 10:01.27 | ieatlint | besides, how many other hazardous substances can i bring onto a plane in large quantity... |
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| 10:01.32 | ieatlint | it's about the only acid they allow |
| 10:02.49 | dns53 | no orange juce? |
| 10:03.33 | ieatlint | not unless it's 3oz or less |
| 10:03.49 | ieatlint | hmmm, i suppose grammatically, it's "3oz or fewer" |
| 10:03.53 | ieatlint | anyway, i'm off to bed |
| 10:03.55 | ieatlint | goodnight all |
| 10:03.59 | lu_zero | nite |
| 10:04.06 | dns53 | nite |
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| 11:03.44 | dns53 | are there any xmpp clients ? |
| 11:04.04 | Robot101 | dns53: kuzgun is working on a telepathy client for his summer of code project |
| 11:04.18 | Robot101 | http://tumay.projects.openmoko.org/ |
| 11:05.30 | Robot101 | dns53: that has a lot of backends available, XMPP, SIP, IRC, link-local XMPP, etc |
| 11:05.44 | Robot101 | dns53: and one that loads plugins from libpurple so can do AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, MSN, etc |
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| 11:07.57 | kd8ikt | dont forget iax |
| 11:08.34 | Kev_ | hi, did anyone test the update fees for 2008.8? |
| 11:12.02 | Robot101 | kd8ikt: I don't think libpurple does IAX in any useful capacity |
| 11:12.07 | Robot101 | kd8ikt: like, it doesn't do voice. |
| 11:12.44 | kd8ikt | thats why you have to add iaxclient libs |
| 11:13.09 | Robot101 | to what? |
| 11:13.17 | kd8ikt | to everything |
| 11:13.39 | Robot101 | ok, but really IAX is a trunking protocol, it's not like it has a huge benefit over using SIP between the client and the server |
| 11:15.27 | kd8ikt | yes it does |
| 11:15.32 | XorA | Kev_: I found the fees a bit steep, 50$ an .ipk |
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| 11:15.50 | Kev_ | I mean feeds, sorry :) |
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| 11:18.27 | Robot101 | kd8ikt: ok. well, it still doesn't support it... |
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| 11:34.21 | MHazem | wtf is GTA03_EVB |
| 11:34.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | extreem vapourware board? |
| 11:34.52 | mickeyl | google evb |
| 11:34.53 | CVirus | hehe |
| 11:34.55 | mickeyl | evaluation board |
| 11:35.00 | CVirus | ah |
| 11:35.00 | mickeyl | but Kamping_Kaiser's definition is good as well |
| 11:35.36 | CVirus | there's this dev on the mailing list that says he got GTA03_EVB |
| 11:36.38 | CVirus | it's really cool that OM started with the GTA03 already |
| 11:37.02 | mickeyl | well |
| 11:37.04 | mickeyl | you need to do that |
| 11:37.22 | CVirus | we need a stable software too |
| 11:37.25 | mickeyl | by the time one is shipping, there should be at least 2 in EVB state |
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| 11:37.45 | mickeyl | in that state it's not tying software resources |
| 11:37.52 | mickeyl | but rather hardware engineers |
| 11:38.03 | CVirus | I see |
| 11:38.53 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * rebceffc4a07c 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Start work on SMS PDU mode |
| 11:38.53 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * raaa2880e7212 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: Add constants describing PDU fields |
| 11:38.53 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * raee715f98e89 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): ogsmd: Redo the phonenumber function |
| 11:38.53 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * rf280fb8c9807 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/convert.py: ogsmd: Add padding value to correctly decode alphanumeric addresses. |
| 11:38.55 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r74132ebaaf62 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): |
| 11:38.58 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Move PDU conversion functions to convert.py |
| 11:39.00 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Return a datetime object when parsing the time |
| 11:39.02 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Rename functions for consistency |
| 11:39.04 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * re024b682c6ee 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Add two more test PDUs from OM bug 1728 |
| 11:39.12 | CVirus | is the GTK image dropped for good now ? |
| 11:39.21 | CVirus | or dialy builds are still available ? |
| 11:39.27 | CVirus | daily* |
| 11:39.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | hopes its not |
| 11:39.31 | mickeyl | no idea, but even if daily builds were available, no one is working on it |
| 11:39.41 | alphaone | mickeyl: Okay, seems to be working |
| 11:39.45 | mickeyl | if you like Gtk+, help SHR |
| 11:39.49 | mickeyl | alphaone: cool! |
| 11:39.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | :( |
| 11:39.55 | CVirus | who likes GTK anyways :-p |
| 11:40.02 | mickeyl | gtk+ is fine for some things |
| 11:40.04 | dns53 | how is shr going? |
| 11:40.12 | mickeyl | you can use gtk+ on all images Om produces |
| 11:40.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | prefers the GTK > 0808 |
| 11:40.16 | mickeyl | so no reason to be sad |
| 11:40.26 | mickeyl | dns53: ask the devels... #openmoko-cdevel |
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| 11:40.53 | mickeyl | SHR is going to be great. stable foundation combined with the gtk+ apps |
| 11:41.01 | mickeyl | looking forward to it |
| 11:41.04 | mjr | me too |
| 11:41.13 | CVirus | Qt > * |
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| 11:42.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | negative |
| 11:43.15 | mickeyl | actually, the SHR would also be a good foundation for Qt app |
| 11:43.15 | mickeyl | s |
| 11:43.28 | mickeyl | as long as both use the FSO middleware, they can happily coexist |
| 11:43.33 | mickeyl | and we can pick the best of the breed |
| 11:43.36 | mickeyl | *shrug** |
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| 11:45.09 | zedstar_ | what will be the window manager on FSO? |
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| 11:45.37 | CVirus | zedstar_: as far as I can understand .. FSO will be merged into ASU |
| 11:45.55 | CVirus | mickeyl: correct me if I'm mistaken please |
| 11:45.57 | zedstar_ | so enlightenment instead of matchbox? |
| 11:45.58 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, it's the other way round. |
| 11:46.08 | SpeedEvil | ASU gets merged into FSO |
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| 11:46.20 | CVirus | zedstar_: listen to what SpeedEvil says |
| 11:46.44 | SpeedEvil | ~fso |
| 11:46.45 | apt | i guess fso is the freesmartphone.org software release. It includes the backbone software for the phone hardware (and some other things) and a working dialer, and not much else. |
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| 11:47.22 | rwhitby | I though ASU got merged on top of FSO, to replace the current example-only FSO UI. |
| 11:47.34 | zedstar_ | is SHR gonna keep matchbox |
| 11:48.37 | zedstar_ | im trying to establish if there is any point writing a matchbox panel applet but it doesnt sound like it unless wanna run on maemo? |
| 11:48.43 | mjr | asu needs the ripping out of the qtopia gsm stack to merge on top of fso |
| 11:49.29 | CVirus | mickeyl: when do you expect that we'd have a stable accelerometers API ? |
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| 11:56.48 | kd8ikt | i'd think SHR will have a choice of wm's |
| 11:57.08 | Dave | :p |
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| 11:58.19 | bumbl | hi Dave, how is live today |
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| 12:01.12 | Dave | Okay :) |
| 12:01.25 | Dave | Someone write a python app for me :) |
| 12:01.25 | zedstar_ | what;s the chances of poky being adapted to run on FSO i wonder! |
| 12:04.11 | bumbl | Dave: what python app? |
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| 12:05.20 | Dave | I'm trying to write a simple client app |
| 12:05.43 | Dave | I figure I'd have better success if I simply bribed one of the many python programmers here to do it for me instead :P |
| 12:08.52 | kd8ikt | well wtf is this app supposed to do? i think this is why youre failing |
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| 12:14.20 | Dave | kd8 haha, what? |
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| 12:14.41 | e_s_p | So, I'm still lost about this whole dont-use-buildhost-packages thing |
| 12:14.42 | Dave | Actually it's a dumb app, just sends data received from the phone over tcp/ip :P |
| 12:14.57 | e_s_p | I've been using them for a couple of weeks and they're fine |
| 12:15.24 | rwhitby | e_s_p: they might install something, but it's something different from the asu image, and different from official updates to the asu image |
| 12:15.34 | rwhitby | in essence, you're running a sixth distribution |
| 12:16.11 | Dave | Ah, rwhitby. |
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| 12:16.48 | rwhitby | is surprised there is no Gentoo stages for openmoko yet ... |
| 12:16.54 | XorA | e_s_p: its not dont use buildhost packages, its dont use buildhost as an upgrade to ASU |
| 12:17.02 | XorA | e_s_p: its not the same thing |
| 12:17.18 | rwhitby | yeah, use "DistroSix" like XorA does :-) |
| 12:17.21 | CVirus | rwhitby: I might work on some gentoo/OM related stuff when I find some free time |
| 12:17.45 | CVirus | Dave: http://ilab.cs.byu.edu/python/ |
| 12:18.22 | kd8ikt | i was just reading gentoo-embedded |
| 12:18.33 | CVirus | yeah .. it's good |
| 12:18.36 | Dave | thanks? |
| 12:18.45 | CVirus | no problem |
| 12:18.52 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 12:18.52 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 12:19.07 | CVirus | hehe |
| 12:19.14 | kd8ikt | think we can bitbake a simple gentoo base system |
| 12:19.27 | CVirus | kd8ikt: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/ |
| 12:19.43 | kd8ikt | i need a stage |
| 12:20.25 | e_s_p | XorA: I'm still lost. I flashed with what I thought was an ASU package about 2 weeks ago -- before the "release". |
| 12:20.28 | NineX | op odesan |
| 12:20.38 | NineX | op odesan |
| 12:21.06 | NineX | oops zapomniale / sorry |
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| 12:22.03 | XorA | e_s_p: buildhost does not build ASU |
| 12:22.14 | e_s_p | Weird |
| 12:22.46 | rwhitby | e_s_p: you build an ancestor of the 2007.2 branch, which updated individual packages, but divergent from the work being done by the ASU team |
| 12:22.58 | e_s_p | OK |
| 12:23.05 | e_s_p | I guess I'll re-flash then |
| 12:23.16 | Dave | So are socket operations not abstracted then in pyhthon? |
| 12:25.08 | e_s_p | XorA, rwhitby: that's good news |
| 12:25.16 | e_s_p | Since my FreeRunner has been really sucking |
| 12:26.22 | Dave | has it now? |
| 12:26.45 | rwhitby | e_s_p: don't get your hopes up too high ;-) |
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| 12:29.57 | mickey | disconnect... |
| 12:30.02 | mickey | last things i said were: |
| 12:30.06 | mickey | <mickeyl> CVirus: stable accellerometer API should come by the end of this month/early next month, when we integrate GSoC results |
| 12:30.06 | mickey | <mickeyl> (no one really knows right now what will be merged and how. This will probably be decided when I'm in Taipei next time) |
| 12:30.06 | mickey | <mickeyl> zedstar: fso will continue to use enlightenment as window manager and illume as launcher |
| 12:30.06 | mickey | <mickeyl> fso-image is really a community thing, we can move it to whatever we like |
| 12:32.31 | CVirus | mickey: cool ... my bachelor project is in 1.5 years from now ... I'd love to implement something similar to "Shoogle" for OM ... I hope no one is already working on something similar :-D |
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| 12:34.31 | Dave | ugggh... stupid snakes. |
| 12:35.37 | CVirus | http://www.borza.ro/index.php/category/accelerometer-based-gestures/ |
| 12:35.58 | dns53 | anyone tried that? |
| 12:36.08 | CVirus | looks like I' |
| 12:36.11 | CVirus | looks like I'm too late |
| 12:37.07 | Dave | thwap |
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| 12:38.37 | Dave | xeros! |
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| 12:39.58 | xeros | hi |
| 12:40.20 | cekay | mickey, if fso is the community thing .. is the OM distribution still Openmoko's main line? |
| 12:40.46 | xeros | I'm just for a moment to bring my irc session here after server shutdown |
| 12:41.40 | Dave | :] |
| 12:43.10 | zedstar | mickey: ok thanx....that is what i thought |
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| 12:50.24 | mickey | cekay: yes. Openmoko 2008.8 is what Openmoko controls. Of course they pay us to write the framework, but fso-image is our thing. |
| 12:50.51 | cekay | ah, ok :) understood |
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| 12:51.32 | admiral0 | hi does a microSD SDHC 8GB from sandisk work on the FR? |
| 12:52.16 | bumbl | admiral0: should work yes |
| 12:53.23 | kd8ikt | anyone see this lil accelerator app ieatlint made? http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/dot/dot.tgz |
| 12:53.33 | admiral0 | i've seen it on Ebay... very good price ->9⬠containing expedition |
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| 12:55.12 | mickey | kd8ikt: do you have a screeny? |
| 12:56.46 | kd8ikt | nope |
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| 12:59.06 | kd8ikt | is using latest "qtopia" from buildhost |
| 13:00.39 | kd8ikt | and after a pkg upgrade it runs fine |
| 13:01.09 | bumbl | admiral0: most of the electronic stuff on ebay is fake |
| 13:01.21 | Dave | :o |
| 13:01.25 | Dave | qtopia from buildhost? |
| 13:01.27 | Dave | shit |
| 13:01.46 | Dave | the differentiations between one distribution from another is geting wahy too perplexing |
| 13:02.09 | Dave | In other news, @*$^#*&@^*@&#^@*# GLAMO |
| 13:02.16 | Dave | stop fucking up :( |
| 13:03.03 | Dave | kd8, I'm finding that running mplayer a lot on the freerunner, eventually it quits, stream dies, or xlamo implodes, or it freezes the device. |
| 13:03.08 | Dave | Wonderful, eh? |
| 13:04.02 | kd8ikt | works fine for me but i just stream somafm's groove salad |
| 13:04.12 | kd8ikt | at the lowest bitrate |
| 13:04.17 | kd8ikt | like 24k |
| 13:04.29 | Dave | haha |
| 13:04.34 | Dave | since, does it work? |
| 13:04.44 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 13:04.48 | Dave | then again, that doesn't carry any video with it, right? |
| 13:04.59 | kd8ikt | no |
| 13:05.03 | kd8ikt | just music |
| 13:05.04 | Dave | right |
| 13:05.18 | Dave | I would hope glamo is unaffected by the audio component of the system :P |
| 13:05.23 | kd8ikt | well what did you expect the video player output is b0rked |
| 13:05.38 | Dave | I'm tired of this motherfucking glamo on my motherfucking freerunner! |
| 13:06.00 | kd8ikt | well without it you'd have no SD card |
| 13:06.00 | Kev_ | :D |
| 13:06.17 | Dave | uggh -_- |
| 13:06.18 | Dave | weak. |
| 13:06.52 | kd8ikt | no point in crying now we all bought into the freephone idea now we have to deal with what we got |
| 13:07.16 | Kev_ | yes you are right... |
| 13:07.21 | Zorkman | llo Samuel L Dave |
| 13:07.28 | admiral0 | bumbl:? |
| 13:07.29 | Kev_ | but it's not the easiest thing |
| 13:07.51 | Dave | Hallo :D |
| 13:08.14 | Kev_ | for example... I can't telephone because of bug #666 and there seem no progress... |
| 13:08.16 | Dave | Kd8: booo |
| 13:09.14 | kd8ikt | mplayer -playlist http://somafm.com/groovesalad.pls |
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| 13:10.58 | Zorkman | I like it whe nthe red water comes out |
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| 13:14.45 | Dave | Zorkman >:) |
| 13:14.45 | tsudot_ | openmoko development is in which language? |
| 13:15.01 | Dave | tsudot: black magic and voodoo |
| 13:15.04 | Zorkman | hocus pocus too me |
| 13:15.06 | Zorkman | *to |
| 13:15.17 | Dave | :D |
| 13:15.24 | tsudot_ | Dave: :) |
| 13:15.50 | tsudot_ | Dave: no seriously ? |
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| 13:16.05 | kd8ikt | oh i forgot that url should be groovesalad24.pls for the low bit rate stream so you dont kill your bandwidth |
| 13:16.06 | Dave | what else, C? but also python |
| 13:16.19 | Dave | kd8, ooh la la |
| 13:16.26 | Dave | why would it kill my bandwidth? |
| 13:16.39 | kd8ikt | cause i know you constantly download pr0n |
| 13:17.16 | Dave | on the freerunner? |
| 13:18.08 | Zorkman | nothing beats bandwith-friendly ascii-porn |
| 13:18.11 | Dave | oh and kd8, lawl at glamo |
| 13:18.59 | kd8ikt | whats so damn funny |
| 13:18.59 | Dave | zorkman: svgalib ftw? :P |
| 13:19.08 | Zorkman | wow!!! i found a version of star wars that the FR plays smoothly!!! |
| 13:19.09 | Dave | kd8 I can see where the problem lays |
| 13:19.16 | Dave | because it's not just that doesn't get good fps |
| 13:19.20 | Zorkman | it looks just as on my PC |
| 13:19.44 | kd8ikt | what |
| 13:19.48 | Zorkman | graphics are maybe even better on the freerunner..... |
| 13:19.49 | Dave | if it has to reprocess per new frame it's fucked, but if it only has to redraw/reprocess portions of active frame it's pretty smooth |
| 13:19.56 | Dave | which is indicative of it just not using a driver :P |
| 13:20.01 | Dave | which is the case, is it not? |
| 13:20.04 | bumbl | admiral0: I have read and some friends experienced that >90% of memory chips (sd, mmc, memorystick) on ebay are fake and have worse quality than the original ones |
| 13:20.13 | Dave | I still want to hookup my radeon to the freerunner |
| 13:20.17 | Dave | or nvidia card |
| 13:20.18 | Dave | :P |
| 13:20.38 | Zorkman | Dave, everyone: telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl |
| 13:20.48 | Dave | oh gawd no! |
| 13:20.49 | Dave | :D |
| 13:20.56 | admiral0 | bumbl:then i'll only buy the adapter for the FR |
| 13:21.06 | Zorkman | if yo have IPV6 you can see it in color :) |
| 13:21.07 | admiral0 | (usb mini to usb A ) |
| 13:21.27 | KenSentMe | How do i disable the auto text function on my Neo running the qtopia image? |
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| 13:21.50 | Zorkman | KenSentMe: ask Ken, or look at the wiki, keyboard page of 2008.8 |
| 13:21.51 | Dave | :) |
| 13:21.53 | kd8ikt | Zorkman: you know how old that is? |
| 13:22.10 | Zorkman | yeah, i know it for about three years, could be a lot older though, don't know |
| 13:22.30 | Zorkman | but it's still one of the geek wonders of the net :) |
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| 13:23.44 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Keyboard |
| 13:24.16 | kd8ikt | i want to make the zoom reticule not move but stay in the center |
| 13:24.31 | Dave | oh snaps |
| 13:24.37 | Dave | zoom reticule? |
| 13:24.41 | Dave | o.O |
| 13:24.43 | KenSentMe | Zorkman, there is nothing on the wiki page about the auto text function, and Ken doesnt know either |
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| 13:24.48 | Dave | Zorkman, yeah yeah :P |
| 13:24.53 | Dave | Ken |
| 13:24.58 | Dave | oh damn, wrong ken :[ |
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| 13:26.30 | Zorkman | KenSentMe: the link kd8ikt provided contains a section at the bottom to change the keyboard, the changed keyboard does not use predictive text..ooops, i reread your message and you are talking about qtopia..; in that case i don't know |
| 13:27.10 | Dave | It's too dangerous with all these sand people around. |
| 13:27.30 | Dave | Sand People! Or Worse! |
| 13:27.33 | Dave | haha |
| 13:27.43 | Dave | rofl |
| 13:27.44 | KenSentMe | Zorkman, sorry i misread. But it uses the same keyboard. However, the auto text is used as default, not the text i type. So when im trying to type something that's not in the database i automaticly get another word that is. |
| 13:27.49 | Dave | high-fives Zorkman |
| 13:28.06 | kd8ikt | predictive tesxt is sooo lame |
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| 13:28.33 | Zorkman | KenSentMe: you can press and hold a letter, that way you override the predictive thingy |
| 13:28.51 | Zorkman | press and hold each letter of your word and finish with a stroke from left to right |
| 13:29.06 | kd8ikt | so... to bypass somthing thats supposed to make life easier i end up wasting more time? |
| 13:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: hi |
| 13:29.12 | kd8ikt | nothanx |
| 13:29.21 | Dave | Hello Joerg :) |
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| 13:29.50 | Dave | rips out his glamo and throws it at DocScrutinizer |
| 13:30.03 | bumbl | kd8ikt: predictive text is nice when writing sms, mails; but it sucks in terminal |
| 13:30.08 | KenSentMe | Zorkman, thanks |
| 13:30.18 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: will get me in trouble at customs ;-) |
| 13:30.27 | Dave | bumble, it's highly counterproductive in my opinion. |
| 13:30.29 | DocScrutinizer | @airport ;-) |
| 13:30.34 | Dave | DocScrutinizer :D |
| 13:30.37 | e_s_p | So, I got some kind of weird error a few days ago |
| 13:30.40 | Dave | It's explosive! ;D |
| 13:30.43 | e_s_p | About a "firmware crash"? |
| 13:30.49 | bumbl | Dave: why |
| 13:30.51 | Dave | It explodes in my freerunner when I run too many graphics :P |
| 13:30.51 | DocScrutinizer | AP sucks, but free |
| 13:30.54 | e_s_p | And now my WiFi says "unknown" |
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| 13:31.05 | Dave | (digital explosion) |
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| 13:32.18 | DocScrutinizer | e_s_p: strange. Where's this weird error from, i.e. where do you see it? |
| 13:32.37 | e_s_p | It was a popup in the UI |
| 13:32.41 | Dave | hahaha |
| 13:32.48 | Dave | chewbacca |
| 13:33.00 | e_s_p | 2008.8 |
| 13:33.15 | Kev_ | bug :) |
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| 13:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | so I dunno about it, sorry |
| 13:34.13 | Dave | retracile :O |
| 13:34.14 | Dave | :o |
| 13:34.26 | Kev_ | I've got some problems with the update feeds... do I have to replace the old feeds or just add the new one? |
| 13:34.34 | Dave | Joerg, can you explain to me why two of my batteries are already wearing? |
| 13:34.43 | retracile | Dave! |
| 13:34.45 | DocScrutinizer | wow, 66% of IMAP done ... *yawn* |
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| 13:35.16 | DocScrutinizer | wow, 66% of IMAP done ... *yawn* |
| 13:35.28 | Dave | Joerg, are we TRYING to replace the blackberry? :P |
| 13:35.51 | Dave | :D |
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| 13:36.30 | Dave | kd8ikt, do you think we'll ever see an output driver for glamo usable by mplayer? |
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| 13:36.46 | kd8ikt | yea its already around but dirty |
| 13:36.53 | Dave | dirty? |
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| 13:39.28 | Dave | opkg install Zorkman |
| 13:41.29 | Dave | kd8? |
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| 13:44.52 | KenSentMe | Anyone else here running the qtopia image on the freerunner? Is there any webbrowser available? |
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| 13:45.02 | kd8ikt | i find life more enjoyable if i ignore your questions Dave |
| 13:45.29 | trix | is there a vcard import script for contacts on fso? |
| 13:45.30 | kd8ikt | KenSentMe: have you tried minimo? |
| 13:45.44 | KenSentMe | kd8ikt, where can i find it? |
| 13:46.34 | kd8ikt | wget http://www.ginguppin.de/files/minimo.tar.bz2 |
| 13:46.34 | kd8ikt | tar jvxf minimo.tar.bz2 |
| 13:46.56 | Infoport | KenSentMe you can install easily...look on the Getting Started page under web, multimedia,etc |
| 13:47.01 | kd8ikt | comes with 3 but only install the first |
| 13:47.09 | kd8ikt | ipk |
| 13:47.13 | Infoport | or follow kd8ikt, who typed faster |
| 13:48.02 | Infoport | hi kd8ikt, Dave, Zorkman, jOERG, fellow geeks and geekettes |
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| 13:48.31 | Infoport | hi linuxxr ! |
| 13:48.34 | KenSentMe | Infoport, do you mean on the openmoko wiki or the qtopia website? |
| 13:48.36 | linuxxr | wassa |
| 13:48.50 | linuxxr | morning |
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| 13:49.06 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Installing_multimedia.2C_web_browsing_and_other_applications |
| 13:49.15 | linuxxr | is there updates for 2008.8? |
| 13:49.19 | Infoport | KenSentMe, oh doh! I read ne you are qtopia....then you should follow kd8ikt's advice....I was thinking OM distribution |
| 13:49.54 | Infoport | it may be specific package for each |
| 13:50.11 | linuxxr | my om is workinh somewhat |
| 13:50.19 | Kev_ | yes there are updates, I just try them out linuxxr |
| 13:50.42 | KenSentMe | kd8ikt, Infoport, thanks very much |
| 13:50.43 | linuxxr | the alarm wouldnt wake the phone lolol |
| 13:51.02 | Dave | Info! |
| 13:51.11 | Infoport | keeping up with how you close apps, switch screens, turn on and off stuff on each distro is making my head spin |
| 13:51.20 | Dave | Gee, thanks kd8ikt. |
| 13:51.26 | Dave | You're so helpful :) |
| 13:51.55 | Infoport | no consistency and no beer make Homer something something... |
| 13:52.34 | admiral0 | what is rcc4? |
| 13:54.23 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03 07framework * r8da0bf054514 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpschannel.py: |
| 13:54.23 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Apply gpschannel_add_udpchannel_ane_filechannel.patch |
| 13:54.23 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: This is a good step forward in the quest to support GTA01 (gllin) |
| 13:54.23 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r57e37518d4df 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpschannel.py: ogpsd: Some minor (cosmetic) modifications to File- and UDPChannel |
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| 13:58.14 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r02c41351f508 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [illume-theme-asu] Add illume-theme-asu into Image |
| 13:58.14 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r4abffdced5ac 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-settings] Bump up the reversion of om-settings to 67 |
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| 14:04.06 | Infoport | linuxxr: I've had other phones like that actually only rang once or twice and then quit the alarm...if you didnt hear, SOL |
| 14:05.25 | DocScrutinizer | bye :-) |
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| 14:07.51 | Kev_ | oh fucking updates |
| 14:07.57 | Kev_ | lots of errors.. |
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| 14:10.14 | bieber | Does anyone know if OM2008.8 has recently developed a suspend/resume issue? It was working flawlessly for ages, and now it won't work at all, even after a reflash. I'm starting to wonder if it isn't a hardware issue :/ |
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| 14:15.43 | Kev_ | Has nobody upgraded his 2008.8? |
| 14:16.03 | Kev_ | I've got no idea anymore what the problem could b |
| 14:16.04 | Kev_ | e |
| 14:16.15 | bieber | There are updates now? |
| 14:16.18 | Kev_ | yes |
| 14:16.25 | Kev_ | zecke released some |
| 14:16.29 | bieber | Oh |
| 14:16.31 | bieber | Will check |
| 14:16.34 | DaveLab | Hello Kev. |
| 14:16.57 | Kev_ | Hi Dave |
| 14:17.00 | Kev_ | look at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/026491.html |
| 14:17.08 | Kev_ | (@bieber) |
| 14:17.21 | Kev_ | but there seem to be some problem with the updates |
| 14:17.25 | Infoport | bieber: I thing 2008.8 *has* a suspend issue..I and most are turning it off |
| 14:17.37 | Infoport | bieber until they fix it at least |
| 14:17.59 | Kev_ | but on the other side some people on the mailinglist said they could update and all worked fine.. |
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| 14:18.05 | Kev_ | so I must do something wrong |
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| 14:18.46 | Kev_ | DaveLab do you use 2008.8? |
| 14:19.21 | Infoport | Kev_ good to know! thanks |
| 14:19.44 | Kev_ | you're welcome |
| 14:20.11 | Kev_ | But I don't know if you have to replace your old feeds or if you just add the new one... |
| 14:20.53 | Infoport | Kev_ probably just add the new one...opkg will choose the latest file if more than one is available |
| 14:21.15 | bieber | Should I go with testing or development? |
| 14:21.29 | Infoport | Kev_ for instance, in OM2007 it finds more than one ncurses for me all the time, takes the latest |
| 14:21.33 | DaveLab | Raster! |
| 14:21.47 | Kev_ | bieber, I got more errors with development then testing :) |
| 14:21.47 | DaveLab | Kev, nope |
| 14:21.53 | Infoport | bieber depends on how brave you are, how willing for it to break |
| 14:21.59 | DaveLab | I'm still wondering what happened to all the 200807 stuff |
| 14:22.03 | DaveLab | I think Xora destroyed it :[ |
| 14:22.18 | DaveLab | Infoport, what's new? |
| 14:22.22 | XorA | wonders why anyone cares |
| 14:22.27 | DaveLab | cares |
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| 14:22.34 | XorA | why?????? |
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| 14:23.00 | DaveLab | Aren't the 200808 images essentially a separate branch at this point? |
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| 14:23.24 | XorA | FFS does no-one here listen 200808 is the fscking month the build was done in |
| 14:23.25 | Infoport | Dave not much, spent last night working at the hops co-op within the Brewers Guild (sore), gotta go water gain tonight if it doesnt rain |
| 14:23.26 | DaveLab | again, if not, it is completely understandable how I could have been confused, the naming conventions being used are completely confusing. |
| 14:23.29 | Kev_ | I'm getting a lot of errors like this: Upgrading kernel-modules on root from 2:2.6.24+git75940+27fc8d82e365c47065f3a92 |
| 14:23.29 | Kev_ | 40bfe21e67a50edf2-r1.01 to 2:2.6.24+git75959+88bf43840b9df0eb0a077a1394eb564be8 |
| 14:23.30 | Kev_ | 0a412e-r1.01... |
| 14:23.30 | Kev_ | Collected errors: |
| 14:23.30 | Kev_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.31 | Kev_ | rc. |
| 14:23.33 | Kev_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.37 | Kev_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.39 | Kev_ | y configured src. |
| 14:23.41 | Kev_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.43 | Kev_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.45 | DaveLab | Kev, stop spamming :P |
| 14:23.53 | XorA | points to the calendar, look August, 8th month of the year, simple |
| 14:24.00 | DaveLab | Yes, I gathered that. |
| 14:24.06 | DaveLab | Then what/where is 2008.8? |
| 14:24.06 | kd8ikt | jesus christ kev |
| 14:24.14 | Kev_ | sorry :) |
| 14:24.17 | kd8ikt | havent we told you about using pastebin before |
| 14:24.22 | DaveLab | haha, look, you even woke the kd8 :P |
| 14:24.22 | XorA | 2008.8 is a release, it is where the emails told you to get it |
| 14:24.30 | DaveLab | rolls his eyes at buildhost |
| 14:24.37 | Kev_ | no, you didn't kd8ikt |
| 14:24.46 | kd8ikt | WELL USE PASTEBIN |
| 14:24.56 | Kev_ | ok next time ;) |
| 14:24.57 | DaveLab | haha |
| 14:24.59 | Kev_ | now you have |
| 14:25.12 | Infoport | Kev_ or pastey.com (what cga has been using) |
| 14:25.30 | kd8ikt | latest x11 qtopia build's menu thingy at the top is super laggy |
| 14:27.47 | kd8ikt | i've gone through like 5 builds today |
| 14:28.28 | Infoport | I feel soo...inadequate. I only have two OSes on my phone :-( better run go install qtopia.... |
| 14:28.30 | Kev_ | kd8ikt you need to install the 2D accelerated x server by yourself ;) |
| 14:28.53 | Kev_ | it's named kdrive-glamo-x11 or so... it's a package |
| 14:30.31 | Infoport | crap. I must have to install stuff on Ubuntu to get support to mount those jffs2 images as loopback |
| 14:30.55 | DaveLab | Infoport, oh god no |
| 14:30.59 | DaveLab | Please don't use pastey |
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| 14:32.14 | bieber | Why isn't 2D acceleration installed by default? Buggy? |
| 14:32.20 | Infoport | DaveLab what's wrong with pastey? |
| 14:32.47 | Infoport | DaveLab is it the annoying URL verification? |
| 14:33.16 | Kev_ | bieber, you shouldn't use the daily builds |
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| 14:34.34 | KenSentMe | Is it possible to subscribe to bug reports or tickets in the Openmoko trac, so that i receive an e-mail when updates to the tickets are made> |
| 14:34.46 | Zorkman | add your name in the cc filed |
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| 14:35.09 | Zorkman | (when you are the one that filed the bug I think you get notified automatically) |
| 14:35.20 | kd8ikt | cool that worked |
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| 14:35.38 | kd8ikt | anyone play with ieatlint's latest app? |
| 14:35.45 | Zorkman | what does it do? |
| 14:35.57 | kd8ikt | http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/dot/dot.tgz |
| 14:36.01 | KenSentMe | Zorkman, i am not the one who filed it. How can i add myself to the cc field, i can't change anything or find an add/edit button |
| 14:36.07 | kd8ikt | its a visual accelerometer thingy |
| 14:36.38 | kd8ikt | just untar and run ./dot, it uses ecore/evas stuff |
| 14:36.46 | Zorkman | do we have to enable the accelerometers ourself? or is it doen automatically? |
| 14:36.55 | kd8ikt | auto ussually |
| 14:36.58 | DaveLab | Infoport, no, just everything about it. |
| 14:37.08 | DaveLab | kd8, yes, extensively. |
| 14:37.19 | Zorkman | (FR is currently downstairs and windows is still booted, need to work some solidworks stuff still) |
| 14:37.20 | kd8ikt | shake to kill |
| 14:37.20 | DaveLab | You mean the broken one? |
| 14:37.23 | DaveLab | haha |
| 14:37.25 | DaveLab | yes, indeed. |
| 14:38.01 | sevenhundred | so I made an alternative keyboard for qtopia with swedish letters. Any ideas about what should I do with it? It works and stuff |
| 14:38.28 | Zorkman | sevenhundred: maybe ask lpotter, he is the qtopia personification |
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| 14:38.52 | DaveLab | :P |
| 14:39.08 | sevenhundred | lpotter, any ideas? :P |
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| 14:41.45 | sevenhundred | did I miss anything? |
| 14:42.14 | robtaylor | sevenhundred: no |
| 14:42.15 | Zorkman | yeah |
| 14:42.24 | Zorkman | tsudot joined |
| 14:42.41 | Zorkman | he plays the wise, but silent king of opensource at the moment |
| 14:42.59 | sevenhundred | hails the king |
| 14:43.14 | Zorkman | damn, you scared him away, he saw you were going to say something |
| 14:43.37 | sevenhundred | hailing kings is hard :( |
| 14:44.49 | DaveLab | :P |
| 14:45.08 | Zorkman | he gives audience every sunday morning at 7AM zulu time |
| 14:45.18 | DaveLab | Interesting... |
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| 14:45.24 | DaveLab | ieatlint, are you around yet? |
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| 14:46.24 | sevenhundred | zorkman: nice, I'm a morning person. Zulu time morning person at least |
| 14:47.10 | Zorkman | unfortunalty nobody knows where the king lives (propably in his kingdom) so it's kina hard to guess when it's 7AM at his palace |
| 14:48.08 | sevenhundred | hailing kings is super hard :( |
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| 14:48.52 | Zorkman | but well worth it, his wisdom has cured cancer, aids AND glamo problems |
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| 14:49.40 | sevenhundred | but I don't have sexually transmitted cancerous glamo problems |
| 14:49.55 | Zorkman | trust me, if you have a FR, you have them :p |
| 14:50.17 | sevenhundred | aw, curses :P |
| 14:50.57 | mjr | ncurses! |
| 14:50.57 | Zorkman | anyway, gotta work on my Ballad of Tsudot The Great, Who Keeps on Misteriously Dissapearing One |
| 14:51.07 | sevenhundred | my gf is not going to like this. she's already jealous at my fr XD |
| 14:51.11 | Zorkman | Al Hail the King! |
| 14:51.43 | Zorkman | (same here :)) |
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| 14:52.02 | Zorkman | i'll play a song for her on epiana and sooth her nagging :) |
| 14:52.06 | DaveLab | :D |
| 14:52.11 | DaveLab | jaja |
| 14:52.15 | Zorkman | DaveLab is going to say "hey Virus" |
| 14:52.22 | DaveLab | oh gawd |
| 14:52.24 | CVirus | expected |
| 14:52.26 | Zorkman | and Cvirus is going to say "use TABCOMPLETION DAVE!" |
| 14:52.31 | CVirus | lol |
| 14:52.31 | DaveLab | Hell no, I wouldn't want to incite that fool again. |
| 14:52.43 | DaveLab | Use the Nickcompletion Luke? |
| 14:52.57 | DaveLab | It's our standard greeting, now is it, Zorkman? :) |
| 14:53.06 | CVirus | DaveLab: you make me sick |
| 14:53.07 | Zorkman | true :) |
| 14:53.12 | DaveLab | See! |
| 14:53.31 | KenSentMe | I'm trying to add myself to the cc list of a bug report. I think i have to put some code in the comment field to do this, but i cant find out which code. Can anyone help me out here? |
| 14:53.54 | Zorkman | but goddamn, gotta do some work, hope my freerunner doesn't aquire AI and kills itself before I can play with it again :) |
| 14:54.15 | CVirus | DaveLab: make yourself useful and go write those couple of lines of python code you wanted to write |
| 14:54.44 | DaveLab | Cvirus, yes, mastar. |
| 14:57.04 | DaveLab | What was that url, again? :P |
| 14:58.38 | Kev_ | hm |
| 14:58.43 | Kev_ | I think I have it now |
| 14:58.58 | Kev_ | why isn't in the 2008.8er repo no kernel package for the neo freerunner? |
| 14:58.59 | CVirus | lol |
| 14:59.03 | CVirus | DaveLab: http://ilab.cs.byu.edu/python/ |
| 15:00.56 | DaveLab | Thanks |
| 15:01.35 | CVirus | no problem |
| 15:02.49 | Kev_ | any opkg expert here? |
| 15:04.34 | DaveLab | Zorkman: qvga, anyone? ;) |
| 15:07.31 | Infoport | well, installing mtd support was as easy as using Synaptic and getting mtd-tools |
| 15:08.35 | DaveLab | hot |
| 15:08.36 | Infoport | when you tar up a mounted jffs2 image, would it be tar -cpj or am I leaving off an argument? |
| 15:09.23 | DaveLab | Infoport, up to your backup tricks again? :P |
| 15:10.08 | Infoport | DaveLAb no, just installing qtopia over to the FR (from the jffs2) |
| 15:10.26 | DaveLab | Nice, kd8ikt: [August 13, 2008 at 4:35PM] : anyone have an ipkg? |
| 15:10.27 | Infoport | DaveLab but I want to install to SD, not flash my FR |
| 15:10.43 | DaveLab | Infoport, good luck :) |
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| 15:14.15 | Infoport | the wik has a section called "Convert a jffs2 image to a tarfile" and then they leave off exactly that step-- should it be tar -cpj ? |
| 15:14.28 | Bish | wbhi |
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| 15:15.56 | Infoport | i.e. tar -cjp /media/moko/* /~/openmoko/images/qtopia_rootfs.tar (or am I forgeting an argument?) |
| 15:16.26 | DaveLab | bumble |
| 15:16.34 | Infoport | (with jffs2 mounted at /media/moko/) |
| 15:17.43 | Infoport | oops, make that with target and dest reversed |
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| 15:23.29 | zedstar | say u got a c library access and dbus access to some program and u writing a client app in c...is they are point/advantage to using the d-bus version in the client? |
| 15:23.48 | cjb | zedstar: huh? |
| 15:23.55 | cjb | the same version of what? |
| 15:24.27 | DaveLab | hey cjb :) |
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| 15:24.30 | zedstar | cjb ok take gypsy for example.... i could build functionality using a libwhatever or could connect via dbus or libnotfy etc |
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| 15:25.35 | zedstar | cjb libnotify good example....very easy to access the functionality by just compiling with the library so why would i use dbus in thay case |
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| 15:25.45 | jadams__ | anyone on that runs debian on their moko? |
| 15:26.14 | jadams__ | if so, have you played with the fso-tools .deb ? It adds zhone, fso, etc. to the debian image |
| 15:26.29 | jadams__ | I haven't used it yet because my phone was here at the office and I discovered it last night at home |
| 15:26.38 | zedstar | i can see the advantage for dbus daemons but from the client side if got choice it seems easy to use a library approach |
| 15:26.46 | cjb | zedstar: I'm still not really followinig, but you seem to be asking whether you should, in general, link to functionality you need with a library, or send messages to something else over dbus. |
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| 15:27.08 | Rorschach | hi |
| 15:27.10 | zedstar | cjb yeh basically |
| 15:27.17 | cjb | zedstar: and it's hard to answer. If there's already a daemon running that does what you need, why not use dbus? |
| 15:27.19 | toggles_w | jadams__: link? |
| 15:27.36 | jadams__ | toggles_w, also on my machine at home, lemme ask google |
| 15:27.49 | Rorschach | does anyone of you managed to compile assassin manually? |
| 15:27.50 | jadams__ | http://wiki.debian.org/pkg-fso |
| 15:28.04 | toggles_w | jadams__: thanks |
| 15:28.09 | Rorschach | I don't get all dependencies for executing ./autogen.sh |
| 15:28.12 | jadams__ | toggles_w, no prob. You run debian on it? |
| 15:28.30 | jadams__ | I run the debian image, has anyone else turned on xfwm's compositing features? Makes me happy... |
| 15:29.03 | zedstar | cjb cos accessing dbus from c even with glib bindings is more work than accessing via library api? |
| 15:29.04 | kd8ikt | hmm my phone is in a coma |
| 15:29.10 | Bish | .. why the fuck does the neo not have UMTS :7 |
| 15:29.11 | zedstar | basically im just about to code some stuff with gypsy but i got a choice of using dbus or not |
| 15:29.17 | kd8ikt | cmon wakeup |
| 15:29.23 | Rorschach | jadams__: compostiging? the glamo-driver has no 3d-accel at the moment, afaik? |
| 15:29.36 | jadams__ | Rorschach, not an issue at all, I assure you it works |
| 15:29.43 | jadams__ | Rorschach, it was the neo1973 though, so no glamo |
| 15:29.47 | Bish | Rorschach: will never have |
| 15:30.24 | toggles_w | jadams__: nope, but will look into it |
| 15:30.27 | Rorschach | Bish: why not? maybe they gonna free the specs in future.. |
| 15:30.36 | jadams__ | toggles_w, there's a wiki page on it, I followed it and it worked fine |
| 15:30.38 | Bish | Rorschach: specs? specifications? |
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| 15:30.50 | jadams__ | just untar a known-good debian system onto the SD and boot from it...throw a uImage in /boot as well |
| 15:30.56 | Bish | Rorschach: do u mean the documentation |
| 15:31.00 | toggles_w | jadams__: aweseom |
| 15:31.02 | Rorschach | jadams__: I have no neo1973 but glamo is eating lots of cpu when in usage so I'll not try to bother it additionally with 3d :) |
| 15:31.13 | zogs | did you know some browser for qtopia? |
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| 15:31.29 | Rorschach | Bish: yes |
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| 15:31.41 | Bish | Rorschach: hm, yeah but it wouldn bee very effective i think |
| 15:31.51 | Bish | i hope gta03(?) will have something like that |
| 15:32.09 | Bish | would like how gta03 looks :/ what specs it.. especially graphik |
| 15:33.10 | jadams__ | I want to build a tablet device with a beagleboard |
| 15:33.15 | jadams__ | or see some open specs for one :) |
| 15:33.26 | jadams__ | beagleboard for teh awesome |
| 15:33.34 | Bish | !define beagleboard |
| 15:33.53 | DaveLab | yeah |
| 15:34.06 | DaveLab | zogs, come back for the next qtopia release :) |
| 15:34.17 | jadams__ | http://beagleboard.org |
| 15:34.28 | jadams__ | $149 OMAP3-based fanless ARMv5 |
| 15:34.32 | DaveLab | kd8ikt, did you accidentally sedate your phone? :( |
| 15:34.38 | jadams__ | runs linux, 1280x1024 output, easy |
| 15:34.41 | jadams__ | can decode 720p |
| 15:34.45 | zedstar | i got a beagleboard on its way.....not sure wot i gonna do it with it yet |
| 15:34.46 | kd8ikt | well i dunno if its a step forward, it didnt wake from suspend but atleast it didnt show a white screen of death, and when i called it from a land line it rang forever which tells me its still registered to the net |
| 15:34.58 | jadams__ | zedstar, build a small battery-powered device with a 7" LCD with it :) |
| 15:35.14 | jadams__ | zedstar, I'm trying to convince my business partner that we need to buy him a beagleboard to play with |
| 15:35.24 | zedstar | jadams yeh something funky |
| 15:35.41 | zedstar | very good value they are especially at dollar to pound exchange rates |
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| 15:36.22 | Rorschach | kd8ikt: what did you modify? doesn't sound like a progress of the WSOD to me.. |
| 15:36.56 | Rorschach | instead that X-Server printed at least something: a white screen, it printed nothing for you |
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| 15:37.04 | DaveLab | kd8, so it's on but doesn't wake up, is the problem? |
| 15:37.04 | Bish | and why do i need a beagleboard? |
| 15:37.07 | jadams__ | zedstar, I've got a few 7" LCDs, that's what I want to do with it |
| 15:37.10 | DaveLab | haha WSOD |
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| 15:38.04 | DaveLab | kd8, I had something similar happen to me a few days ago, it was on, went to sleep, never woke up, and wouldn't respond to anything, even hd shutdown, but it remained ON. |
| 15:38.56 | Rorschach | I hope WSOD is fixed soon, it's the only bug which prevents the daily usage of the Neo for me |
| 15:39.16 | kd8ikt | dont worry more issues will pop up |
| 15:39.44 | CVirus | hehe |
| 15:40.41 | DaveLab | hmm, now how to parse my message payloads... |
| 15:42.11 | ceda | do you know what just struck me? That 0 of my expensive phones has had the ability to properly cope with syncing (syncml) and contacts that has no person name (in other words: the number for a company and nothing else) |
| 15:43.12 | DaveLab | Isn't it sad? |
| 15:43.25 | DaveLab | Yeah Iphone blows too for contacts. |
| 15:43.37 | DaveLab | Though it's hardly something to scoff at, overall. |
| 15:43.44 | DaveLab | Though still sad, of course. |
| 15:43.58 | Torikun1 | Hey dave |
| 15:44.24 | DaveLab | Hello Torikun :) |
| 15:44.50 | Torikun1 | What's new in moko |
| 15:44.57 | Torikun1 | lot of updates this morning |
| 15:45.19 | DaveLab | oh yeah? |
| 15:45.29 | Torikun1 | yup |
| 15:45.42 | DaveLab | I saw nothing. |
| 15:45.51 | Torikun1 | u need latest firmware |
| 15:46.01 | DaveLab | Firmware? |
| 15:46.09 | DaveLab | Torikun for what image are you talking about. |
| 15:46.14 | DaveLab | Man, this gets so confusing :P |
| 15:46.18 | Torikun1 | a new feature : WHen you press and hold power button, it suspends instead of "Shut off" |
| 15:46.33 | DaveLab | That sounds horrible. |
| 15:46.38 | DaveLab | Given the fact it may not wake up :P |
| 15:46.40 | Torikun1 | there goes my trouble shooting |
| 15:46.43 | DaveLab | :D |
| 15:46.50 | Rorschach | Torikun1: what firmware?!? |
| 15:47.01 | Torikun1 | 20080813 |
| 15:47.05 | DaveLab | so, ASU? |
| 15:47.09 | Torikun1 | Rorschach: bew asu |
| 15:47.13 | DaveLab | yeah, eww |
| 15:47.14 | Torikun1 | not firmware sorry |
| 15:47.20 | DaveLab | asu smells :P |
| 15:47.27 | Torikun1 | I like the new ASU |
| 15:47.29 | Torikun1 | more stable |
| 15:47.39 | DaveLab | and apparently it's having some sort of kinky relationship with fso, or so the channel gossip goes |
| 15:47.41 | Torikun1 | 20080813 is reeally good |
| 15:47.43 | DaveLab | :P |
| 15:47.43 | Infoport | Torikun is it the BROKEN suspend in 2008.8? oh wait in OM2007 hmmm...is it stable(-ish)? |
| 15:47.46 | Rorschach | Torikun1: is suspens/wakeup working? |
| 15:47.55 | Torikun1 | Yes Rorschach |
| 15:47.57 | Torikun1 | very well |
| 15:47.58 | DaveLab | Infoport, he's talking about ASU |
| 15:48.08 | DaveLab | Torikun did you TRY the OLD ASU? |
| 15:48.16 | DaveLab | My god, was that a total piece of crap :D |
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| 15:48.36 | Rorschach | so in ASU there's no WSOD?? Can someone else confirm this? |
| 15:48.36 | DaveLab | I was mind raped, it was the very first image I tried (by accident), when I first got the freerunner :P |
| 15:48.37 | Torikun1 | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080813/ |
| 15:48.44 | DaveLab | yeah yeah |
| 15:48.59 | Infoport | DaveLab, Torikun well I guess after I install qtopia I'll have to re-install ASU |
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| 15:49.57 | Infoport | Torikun, wait are you referring to the August releases of OM2007? |
| 15:49.58 | Chox | mooses |
| 15:50.23 | DaveLab | Infoport, no ASU |
| 15:50.26 | DaveLab | Choxes :D |
| 15:50.33 | Chox | :D |
| 15:50.38 | Torikun1 | No Infoport, latest ones |
| 15:50.41 | Torikun1 | ASu |
| 15:50.42 | Chox | fly my pretties, fly! |
| 15:50.44 | DaveLab | Infoport, i.e. openmoko-qtopia-x11 |
| 15:50.48 | DaveLab | Eeeeeexcellent. |
| 15:50.49 | DaveLab | >:) |
| 15:50.58 | Chox | tried that. looks ugly as sin :-| |
| 15:51.06 | Chox | stupid arty icons |
| 15:51.06 | Infoport | Torikun when you boot, do you see a background with at bottom a house, plus-sign and gears, or lots of icons a la iPhone? |
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| 15:52.18 | Torikun1 | Flower |
| 15:52.26 | Torikun1 | blue background |
| 15:52.56 | Torikun1 | How can I install all the openmoko- packages ? opkg install openmoko-* does not work |
| 15:55.01 | DaveLab | no kidding :P |
| 15:55.15 | Chox | laffs |
| 15:55.15 | DaveLab | The Chox is unamused! |
| 15:55.21 | DaveLab | or is he? |
| 15:55.28 | Chox | you can never be sure. |
| 15:55.47 | Chox | cares not for arty icons which just make things look stupid |
| 15:55.51 | Infoport | Torikun but at the bottom of the screen, the menus are under a plus sign, with a house/home on left and gears on right? it sounds like you have August dailies of OM2007 |
| 15:55.56 | Chox | arty has its place. Just not for meaningful icons. |
| 15:56.02 | Torikun1 | Iam using 2008 info |
| 15:56.12 | Torikun1 | 2007 js so unuseable |
| 15:56.14 | Chox | mmm. Iams dog food. |
| 15:56.23 | Torikun1 | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080813/ <--my image |
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| 16:00.10 | Infoport | Torikun I really really dont think that you are on ASU...here are the ASU releases http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ |
| 16:00.26 | Torikun1 | Infoport: I am using daily builds of asu |
| 16:00.32 | Torikun1 | 200808 official is crappy |
| 16:00.38 | Torikun1 | daily builds are stable and useable |
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| 16:01.50 | Infoport | Torikun imaging if 3rd parties kept old MS products alive...there would be a 2007 release of Office "2000", which would not be the same as "Office 2007" |
| 16:01.51 | Chox | sounds bad. |
| 16:01.56 | Chox | is unamused. |
| 16:02.45 | DaveLab | sounds scary |
| 16:02.59 | Bish | is bored |
| 16:03.00 | DaveLab | Either of you foos use the snake? |
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| 16:03.11 | Infoport | DaveLab they save everyone the confusion by not updating MS much |
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| 16:03.21 | DaveLab | :D |
| 16:03.26 | DaveLab | yay? :x |
| 16:04.26 | Infoport | Torikun check this link-- they have a note that it isnt 2008.8 ASU before the listings http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Downloads#buildhost.openmoko.org_Images |
| 16:05.16 | Infoport | my first hint that it wasnt ASU was how useable it was XD |
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| 16:05.27 | Torikun1 | weird |
| 16:05.27 | DaveLab | Oh man, python is SO cool... |
| 16:05.50 | CVirus | true |
| 16:05.52 | DaveLab | In other news, I wish lint would wake up and read my email. |
| 16:06.34 | Infoport | DaveLab use the snake? hey my sex life is none of your business! |
| 16:06.42 | DaveLab | :D |
| 16:06.57 | DaveLab | I wonder if there will be a case study... |
| 16:07.14 | DaveLab | What's the relationship between freerunner owners and 'getting any.' |
| 16:07.15 | DaveLab | :p |
| 16:07.49 | DaveLab | Is there a dependency? Is it inversely proportional? Mutually exclusive? :p |
| 16:07.51 | DaveLab | hehe |
| 16:08.02 | wyeager | if last night counts this freerunner owner isn't doing too bad |
| 16:08.03 | DaveLab | Zorkman, any other neat apps to report as of late? |
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| 16:08.10 | DaveLab | wyeager :) |
| 16:08.16 | Torikun1 | <--no sexin overa month |
| 16:08.21 | DaveLab | geeze |
| 16:08.29 | DaveLab | and just how long have you owned your freerunner? |
| 16:08.34 | DaveLab | :P |
| 16:08.52 | Torikun1 | 2 weeks |
| 16:08.53 | Torikun1 | lol |
| 16:08.54 | wyeager | coincidence? |
| 16:09.00 | DaveLab | :D |
| 16:09.09 | Infoport | DaveLab if my FR ever directly gets me some, I'm packaging it in an app |
| 16:09.10 | DaveLab | I can see it now... |
| 16:09.19 | DaveLab | Headline: "Freerunner ruins sex life!" |
| 16:09.20 | Torikun1 | what is that qtopia installer package called |
| 16:09.26 | DaveLab | Infoport, haha, hot. |
| 16:09.36 | DaveLab | Ask lpotter |
| 16:10.43 | Infoport | DaveLab well mine connects to the internet I guess its just a matter of time (does by yourself count?) |
| 16:10.45 | zedstar | beauty and the geek.... an iphone owner and a neo owner! |
| 16:10.45 | Torikun1 | is it safe to leave the screen on all day? |
| 16:11.22 | kd8ikt | i wish i could get xscreensaver to compile |
| 16:12.08 | DaveLab | torikun, unlikely. |
| 16:12.11 | SpeedEvil | passes kd8ikt linux.maruhn.com/sec/xsnow.html |
| 16:12.17 | DaveLab | :) |
| 16:12.21 | SpeedEvil | Torikun: completley |
| 16:12.32 | SpeedEvil | Torikun: it's got an LED backlight, it'll last >50000h |
| 16:12.41 | kd8ikt | eh xsnow is lame |
| 16:13.04 | kd8ikt | RD-bomb or radar are way cooler |
| 16:13.04 | Infoport | screensavers are not needed in flat-panel LCDs either...mostly just for the public these days, not the computer |
| 16:13.27 | kd8ikt | rd-bomb for when i get ahold of mushrooms |
| 16:13.35 | kd8ikt | or dream of em |
| 16:13.57 | kd8ikt | i fricken love rd-bomb |
| 16:13.57 | Infoport | kd8ikt how about the one that displays "BSOD"-type crashes for various OSes? |
| 16:14.12 | kd8ikt | yeah thats cool too but rd-bomb for the win |
| 16:14.13 | Infoport | simple but sweet |
| 16:14.43 | Infoport | dont know if I've seen RD-bomb...gotta check my screensavers |
| 16:14.47 | kd8ikt | i wonder if i can find the source for rd-bomb alone |
| 16:15.02 | kd8ikt | i just figured i needed xscreensaver in general |
| 16:15.32 | Infoport | kd8ikt is radar the one that shows MIGs and other planes as blips on a radar, or is it a circular one that gives Moire patterns? |
| 16:15.52 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 16:15.59 | kd8ikt | or pings |
| 16:16.09 | kd8ikt | er wait thats called sonar |
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| 16:17.53 | DaveLab | RD BOMB!? |
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| 16:18.06 | DaveLab | What what are you 'hitting' kd8ikt? :) |
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| 16:24.23 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r5f86abe1ab52 10/odeviced/src/plugins/idlenotifier/ (idlenotifier.plugin idlenotifier.vala): |
| 16:24.23 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add watchfor key |
| 16:24.23 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) Remove hardcoding of event nodes for ignoring |
| 16:24.24 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra13d8bd2e9de 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input.plugin input.vala): Refactor input plugin to remove some hardcoding |
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| 16:26.25 | Infoport | hey is there a place to EDIT the uboot entries? (not just add another) |
| 16:26.57 | Infoport | like say change the order so that the un-used FAT+ext2 option is lower? |
| 16:27.12 | DaveLab | like a grub menu.lst? :p |
| 16:27.55 | sevenhundred | is the bug where you can't charge the fr if it's too low on battery fixed yet? |
| 16:28.24 | Infoport | that's what I'd hope...wherever the uboot env is kept |
| 16:28.46 | Torikun1 | how the hell do you exit program like mediaplayer2 and browser 2? |
| 16:29.15 | Infoport | Torikun in OM2007, you kill a program with a quick push on power button |
| 16:30.17 | Torikun1 | Yup |
| 16:30.23 | Infoport | Torikun in 2008.8 ASU, there should be a "down arrow" at top of screen, reveals running programs, then choose label "remove" that shows up on left when you expand list |
| 16:30.40 | Torikun1 | Ah |
| 16:30.42 | Torikun1 | I will try |
| 16:30.47 | Infoport | (confusing when you switch back and forth) |
| 16:31.22 | Torikun1 | Infoport: were you able to play mp3 on it? |
| 16:31.38 | Torikun1 | mediaplayer2 did not have a play button lol |
| 16:31.58 | Infoport | Torikun only very quietly...I need to restore/change alsa-mixer states, and then tweak them I think |
| 16:32.47 | Infoport | Torikun oh, on ASU? there were 4 or 6 unmarked tiny buttons on the bottom I think...one seemed to play |
| 16:33.40 | Infoport | Torikun they need a little work...I found the button by just playing around and poking things |
| 16:33.46 | Torikun1 | ah |
| 16:33.49 | Torikun1 | no gstreamer resource |
| 16:33.50 | Torikun1 | slol |
| 16:34.04 | Torikun1 | the remove thing works great! |
| 16:34.05 | Torikun1 | ty |
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| 16:34.56 | Torikun1 | Infoport: If I connect to wifi, Ican do a opkg update/install fine. WHen I use browser or pidgin, I can not go anywhere. Any ideas? |
| 16:35.04 | Infoport | Torikun no problem! there *IS* a 2008.8 Guide, but it needs people to add to it, since it has only recently started to have the stuff everyone wonders about ASU |
| 16:35.27 | Wonka | is there a pand binary back somewhere? |
| 16:35.57 | Infoport | Torikun1: don't know...that's an odd one. no USB hooked up at same time right? |
| 16:36.05 | Torikun1 | Yup |
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| 16:37.00 | Infoport | Torikun I havent gotten my wifi working on ASU, but then I have only spent a little time on the task |
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| 16:37.20 | Torikun1 | ah |
| 16:37.29 | Infoport | Torikun1: I cant ever get my router pw to take |
| 16:37.45 | Torikun1 | info I had to change my wifi router password to only #'s |
| 16:37.48 | SUNWjoejaxx | woohoo! |
| 16:37.50 | Infoport | Torikun1: and it doesnt like the same wpa_supplicant.conf file from OM2007 |
| 16:37.53 | SUNWjoejaxx | has his GTA02 :D |
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| 16:38.50 | Infoport | Torikun1: weird...maybe I'll try that, although my wife's laptop etc uses the router and has the (big) old password |
| 16:38.53 | DaveLab | Man, Xglamo just likes going defunct. :[ |
| 16:38.59 | Bish | /quit |
| 16:38.59 | Bish | exit |
| 16:39.02 | Bish | damnit |
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| 16:39.12 | DaveLab | /fail |
| 16:39.17 | sevenhundred | that was fun |
| 16:39.22 | DaveLab | Indeed. |
| 16:40.12 | Infoport | ok, I'm off for a cigarillo while qtopia un-tars into SD. I 'll try Torikun1's tip about router pw afterward and see if that's the issue |
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| 16:40.47 | sevenhundred | anyway, wouldn\t it be easy to just occasionally check how much battery time is left, and if it's dangerously low, shut the phone off sp that it can be recharged? |
| 16:40.49 | DaveLab | Enjoy, Infobot :) |
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| 16:41.01 | DaveLab | sevenhundred, it does that (now) |
| 16:41.06 | DaveLab | Better than before, anyway. |
| 16:41.09 | sevenhundred | yay |
| 16:41.13 | sevenhundred | since when? |
| 16:41.26 | Infoport | DaveLab bot? did I not pass the Turing Test? |
| 16:41.47 | Infoport | :-) |
| 16:41.52 | DaveLab | :D |
| 16:41.54 | Infoport | later! |
| 16:41.58 | DaveLab | Smoke it! |
| 16:42.19 | DaveLab | Sevenhundred, since like the third or fourth week in July? |
| 16:42.32 | DaveLab | In om anyway |
| 16:42.47 | DaveLab | I can't vouch for all those other stinky distros, but they essentially share much of the same low-level code |
| 16:43.13 | DaveLab | Trust me, I know, I was one of the worst offenders of "deeply-discharged" batteries |
| 16:43.32 | DaveLab | Just ask Joerg, I'm sure he was tired of me bitching about it every other day :) |
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| 16:46.24 | sevenhundred | Davelab: okay, I've been to scared to let it discharge completely :P |
| 16:48.00 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r1b5c2a9d64e5 10/html/index.html: more introductionary text and add some preliminary links (to documents not existing yet) |
| 16:48.02 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r4f2829600bd8 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml: document RetrieveMessagebook() and RetrievePhonebook(). Thanks |
| 16:49.07 | DaveLab | sevenhundred, yeah it's fine now. |
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| 16:49.12 | DaveLab | Trust me, I do it every day :P |
| 16:49.20 | DaveLab | I now have other concerns |
| 16:49.23 | DaveLab | :) |
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| 16:59.19 | cga | Infoport, hey |
| 16:59.21 | cga | hi all |
| 16:59.43 | wyeager | 'ello |
| 17:00.49 | peter__b | hi |
| 17:01.10 | peter__b | does anyone know how i could change my ringtone on asu ? |
| 17:01.14 | Torikun1 | http://digg.com/linux_unix/My_journey_with_the_OpenMoko_Neo_Freerunner |
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| 17:03.08 | kd8ikt | went back to Milestone 2 |
| 17:03.49 | peter__b | back from ? |
| 17:04.02 | kd8ikt | 08 |
| 17:04.39 | peter__b | suspend wasnt working well enough fo me on fso |
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| 17:08.11 | pvborza | Alpha 2 Release of Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation is Now Available (Read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gestures) |
| 17:08.21 | peter__b | nice |
| 17:08.46 | pvborza | Everything what was presented in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2S2rQUETwc you can try now :) |
| 17:09.07 | Zorkman | sweet, just found the page on the wiki |
| 17:09.49 | peter__b | installing ... |
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| 17:15.45 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rc3f0d52599b5 10/ (7 files in 6 dirs): |
| 17:15.45 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: * add generic rules (Make)file and include this from the others |
| 17:15.47 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: * strip 'error' dbus extension node from xml |
| 17:20.13 | Zorkman | pvborza: does your programm continiously checks the accelermeters? and does this effect battery life/cpu speed? |
| 17:20.57 | pvborza | Zorkman: |
| 17:21.02 | pvborza | yes it does |
| 17:21.08 | pvborza | it eats up 20% of CPU |
| 17:21.10 | pvborza | constantly |
| 17:21.24 | pvborza | there will be improvements in the future |
| 17:21.51 | Zorkman | ok, thanks for the info! |
| 17:22.18 | pvborza | you can run top on the Neo |
| 17:22.23 | pvborza | to monitor it |
| 17:22.29 | edistar | htop is even better |
| 17:22.37 | Zorkman | btw: thanks and congratulations, it is really a nice app |
| 17:22.43 | Zorkman | g2g now |
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| 17:23.33 | Pasqualli_ | hi hab mla ne r |
| 17:23.37 | Pasqualli_ | frage a euch |
| 17:23.38 | edistar | pvborza: you're the accel guy? |
| 17:23.55 | edistar | Pasqualli_: wenn du deutsch fragen willst in #freeyourphone bitte |
| 17:24.04 | edistar | heh |
| 17:24.06 | cga | Zorkman, where can i find 20080813 rootfs splash kernrl u-boot and u-boot_env ? here there's only rootfs |
| 17:24.08 | pvborza | edistar: yes |
| 17:24.10 | edistar | pvborza: cool work! |
| 17:24.22 | pvborza | edistar: thanks :) |
| 17:24.36 | edistar | cga: if it hasn't changed the kernel is the same as the day before |
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| 17:25.04 | cga | edistar, so i can find it in previous folders like 2000808xx ? |
| 17:25.09 | edistar | cga: yes |
| 17:25.12 | edistar | hopefully |
| 17:25.18 | cga | cool thanks (hopefully) |
| 17:25.20 | edistar | otherwise get an mwester kernel |
| 17:25.52 | edistar | or someone here might have baked one |
| 17:26.07 | cga | i hope they didn't put the neo in the oven XD |
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| 17:26.21 | edistar | hehe |
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| 17:32.52 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r25dac9584b74 10/otapi/ (Makefile org.freesmartphone.Storage.xml.in): |
| 17:32.55 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: otapi: remove org.freesmartphone.Storage (not part of otapi) |
| 17:32.57 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: temporarily disable doc generation for org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS until this is live |
| 17:33.02 | Torikun1 | http://digg.com/linux_unix/My_journey_with_the_OpenMoko_Neo_Freerunner |
| 17:33.44 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r50444ce691f7 10/odevice/Makefile: odevapi: disable docs that are underconstruction |
| 17:33.46 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * raac472f47dff 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add toplevel Makefile |
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| 17:50.08 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r506b3059d93e 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input.plugin input.vala): 1.) Add support for reporting time duration through which buttons are held (Untested) |
| 17:51.47 | DaveLab | cga :p |
| 17:51.50 | DaveLab | Hei Zorkman |
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| 17:55.51 | Guilt | hey, all |
| 17:56.23 | Pyrasi | hi |
| 17:56.33 | Arcnet | Hi there, I have a small question: Is it somehow possible to run Debian arm packages on the Freerunner or do I need to use the toolchain (I want to run xpgs in package gpsd-clients)? |
| 17:57.07 | edistar | Arcnet: well.. if you have debian on your FR it's possible |
| 17:57.17 | edistar | otherwise you'll have to use the toolchain |
| 17:58.03 | Arcnet | ok, then I use usb-networking and ssh with X forwarding :-D |
| 17:58.33 | edistar | hehe |
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| 18:01.36 | Arcnet | thanks edistar, I'm out trying to get a fix (or see at least one satellite) |
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| 18:08.43 | tsudot | i've checked out /src/target/OM-2007.2 but i cant find openmoko-libs folder anywhere in there |
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| 18:09.26 | tsudot | how do i set up the environment now? |
| 18:13.30 | tsudot | can anybody help me? |
| 18:15.21 | DaveLab | hmm? |
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| 18:15.44 | DaveLab | hiss hiss |
| 18:15.57 | DaveLab | pesky perverse pythons |
| 18:16.13 | tsudot | DaveLab, i want to run openmoko apps on linux |
| 18:18.11 | mickeyl | what about the 'libraries' folder? |
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| 18:19.39 | DaveLab | tsudot, on the pc? |
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| 18:19.51 | DaveLab | what about the env? I actually successfully built it the other day :D |
| 18:21.05 | tsudot | mickeyl, do i have to compile each library seperatly? |
| 18:21.15 | tsudot | seperatly |
| 18:21.22 | mickeyl | yes |
| 18:21.29 | mickeyl | there's no toplevel makefile |
| 18:21.40 | tsudot | thanks |
| 18:22.01 | DaveLab | mickeyl, boohoo |
| 18:22.16 | DaveLab | mickeyl, do you use python? |
| 18:23.03 | mickeyl | often, yea |
| 18:23.20 | DaveLab | ah okay cool |
| 18:23.35 | DaveLab | I'm just starting to bother learning it :P |
| 18:24.18 | DaveLab | I've essentially got a query-string and wanted to parse it (hashify), I was going down the road of splittling into a list and then into a dict, etc |
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| 18:24.24 | DaveLab | is there an easier way? |
| 18:24.34 | DaveLab | Aren't there a million python modules, is there one that does this already? :P |
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| 18:25.41 | mickeyl | indeed, there are. there's something like tokenize which may be handy |
| 18:26.14 | DaveLab | yeah! |
| 18:26.27 | mickeyl | in general, pypy is a good module index |
| 18:26.39 | DaveLab | tokenize? that's not a string function? |
| 18:26.43 | DaveLab | pypy? |
| 18:26.48 | mickeyl | tokenize is a module |
| 18:26.56 | mickeyl | http://pypi.python.org/pypi |
| 18:27.00 | mickeyl | is a pretty nice package index |
| 18:27.11 | mickeyl | that should get you started |
| 18:27.30 | DaveLab | OH |
| 18:27.41 | DaveLab | neat |
| 18:27.55 | DaveLab | oh so pypi is like the equivalent of cpan? :P |
| 18:28.24 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 18:28.35 | DaveLab | cool |
| 18:28.55 | DaveLab | just one question then, I searched for tokenize on pypi, and no 'tokenize' came back. |
| 18:29.38 | mickeyl | ya, that's because tokenize is in the standard library |
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| 18:29.45 | DaveLab | oh okay |
| 18:29.46 | mickeyl | pypi only lists external modules iirc |
| 18:29.51 | DaveLab | Yeah alright :) |
| 18:30.36 | DaveLab | cool, I found it in the documentation :P |
| 18:34.44 | DaveLab | damn, it's like C all over again :D |
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| 18:39.41 | tsudot | mickeyl, hey despite of the fact that i installed libgsmd libraries, it gives me library not found error, how do i get around this error? |
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| 18:40.17 | mickeyl | no idea |
| 18:40.23 | mickeyl | sure the prefix is right? |
| 18:40.25 | mickeyl | check config.log |
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| 18:40.51 | tsudot | mickeyl, which prefix? |
| 18:41.11 | mickeyl | --prefix=foo |
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| 18:45.41 | tsudot | nah no luck |
| 18:46.01 | DaveLab | mickeyl is there some convenient syntax by which things can be hashified? (turned into dicts)? |
| 18:46.04 | lollydays | anyone able to run lint-wifi in OM2008.8? |
| 18:46.25 | DaveLab | lollydays, I assume you mean, it runs your wifi correctly. |
| 18:46.38 | DaveLab | So far, in that department I have not heard much success yet. :) |
| 18:47.20 | Tig| | DaveLab: I have lint-wifi up and scanning on FSO :) but it does not connect :( |
| 18:47.20 | mickeyl | well, you just put the whole thing into a dict |
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| 18:47.26 | lollydays | Davelab: can't even get the program to start :) |
| 18:47.27 | DaveLab | right |
| 18:47.39 | mickeyl | dicts will accept everything as key that's non-mutable |
| 18:47.40 | lollydays | oops, i mean :( |
| 18:47.41 | DaveLab | someone said it works, but then not with whatever their security algorithm is |
| 18:47.51 | DaveLab | mickeyl, hrm |
| 18:47.57 | lollydays | ah, what about Mofi? |
| 18:48.29 | DaveLab | dict(mystring, delimiter)? :D |
| 18:49.02 | DaveLab | I'm not unwilling to learn, it just seems like this would be an obvious preexisting function/module/method, somewhere. |
| 18:52.10 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rccd7e30ab513 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input.vala): |
| 18:52.12 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) add some debug info |
| 18:52.14 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) fix hash_table lookup for watches |
| 18:52.39 | mickeyl | well |
| 18:52.45 | mickeyl | you can easily create a dict from tuples |
| 18:52.52 | DaveLab | right |
| 18:53.06 | ronny | DaveLab: what the heck do you want to do ` |
| 18:53.06 | mickeyl | so if you can turn the string into a list of tuples, you could say dict(tuples) |
| 18:53.27 | DaveLab | I don't mean to bother you with this mickeyl, it's just I have a string like key=value;key=value;... so I just thought I'd ask a master what the quickest python method would be to accomplish this :) |
| 18:53.32 | DaveLab | that is turning it into a dict :] |
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| 18:53.45 | DaveLab | oh wow, so dict() really is a function? |
| 18:53.55 | mickeyl | it's a constructor for dict objects |
| 18:53.59 | DaveLab | cool |
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| 18:54.14 | DaveLab | is there any way I could add to an existing dict? |
| 18:54.15 | mickeyl | actually, what you could do if you want to feel dirty... |
| 18:54.32 | kd8ikt | dick |
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| 18:54.38 | DaveLab | kd8 :P |
| 18:54.44 | DaveLab | we know YOU'RE dirty |
| 18:54.49 | kd8ikt | you need a dick? |
| 18:54.52 | ronny | DaveLab: import cgi;cgi.parse_qs(foo) ? |
| 18:54.53 | DaveLab | no thanks |
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| 18:55.10 | DaveLab | ronny, oh hot, does that return a dict from a string? :D |
| 18:55.21 | DaveLab | Though I am still interested in where mickeyl was going |
| 18:55.31 | ronny | cgi.parse_qs('key=value;key=value;') -> {'key': ['value', 'value']} |
| 18:55.36 | DaveLab | We cannot deny his brilliance! either that, or his naughtiness :p |
| 18:55.54 | DaveLab | ronny, ah |
| 18:55.54 | kd8ikt | anyone else having problems "roaming" with wifi? |
| 18:56.09 | DaveLab | roaming? that is, going from one ap to another? |
| 18:56.16 | kd8ikt | like it just dies after first association |
| 18:56.19 | ronny | DaveLab: cause your string just looks like a cgi query string |
| 18:56.20 | DaveLab | Yeah, it doesn't work. |
| 18:56.24 | DaveLab | I was disappointed. |
| 18:56.30 | DaveLab | ronny, exactly! |
| 18:56.31 | DaveLab | :) |
| 18:56.43 | kd8ikt | need to run some test on how to properly "reset" the device |
| 18:56.50 | ronny | DaveLab: what are you doing? an webserver thing? |
| 18:57.12 | DaveLab | Writing a client/server app in python |
| 18:57.25 | DaveLab | and I'm sending strings with payloads which are essentially qs'es |
| 18:57.29 | DaveLab | so it made sense :P |
| 18:57.38 | kd8ikt | like ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up; iwconfig eth0 essid blah; iwconfig eth0 commit; udhcpc eth0 ? |
| 18:57.56 | DaveLab | kd8, is that what you did? |
| 18:58.05 | DaveLab | and yes, that's essentially what I did. |
| 18:58.08 | kd8ikt | or maybe there is a /sys/class/ node to reset it |
| 18:58.27 | DaveLab | kd8ikt, what's worse is, I even experienced difficulty for multiple ap's on the same network |
| 18:58.28 | kd8ikt | this deserves some attention |
| 18:58.31 | DaveLab | which was just annoying |
| 18:58.51 | ronny | DaveLab: what the heck is that app doing? |
| 18:59.00 | kd8ikt | yeah it ruins my wifiweasel script |
| 18:59.16 | DaveLab | ronny, I just want a simple client to send data to the server, and the server to just insert/select from a sql db :( |
| 18:59.17 | mmontour | Yay - my Freerunner just arrived. |
| 18:59.27 | Zorkman | congratz |
| 18:59.31 | DaveLab | I thought I'd try doing it in python since EVERYONE here was talking about it... |
| 18:59.40 | DaveLab | and it seemed like there was a lot of api's already for the phone in py |
| 18:59.42 | Arcnet | Odd, does someone know why gpsd can't see any satellite in about 5 minutes while having perfect sight to the sky and no SD-Card inserted on FR with Om2008.8? |
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| 18:59.50 | DaveLab | but so far it's only coming up so-so |
| 18:59.57 | ronny | DaveLab: why not marshal/pickle? |
| 18:59.59 | DaveLab | that, and I'm dumbfounded with the postgis documentatin |
| 19:00.04 | DaveLab | I read about pickle... |
| 19:00.09 | DaveLab | I know not much more than that :) |
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| 19:00.26 | kd8ikt | Arcnet: did you modify /etc/default/gpsd to say ttySAC1 |
| 19:00.35 | Arcnet | yes, I did |
| 19:00.36 | DaveLab | kd8ikt :P |
| 19:00.44 | Arcnet | gpsd does not even start without doing that ;) |
| 19:00.46 | DaveLab | arcnet, is gpsd running? |
| 19:00.49 | DaveLab | :P |
| 19:00.50 | mickeyl | http://rafb.net/p/tusOTx11.html |
| 19:00.52 | Arcnet | yes |
| 19:00.58 | kd8ikt | turned the gps on via the /sys/class fs? |
| 19:01.04 | DaveLab | thanks mickeyl |
| 19:01.07 | mickeyl | probably overcomplicated, but the best thing i can come up with now ;) |
| 19:01.13 | DaveLab | okay okay :) |
| 19:01.15 | Arcnet | one moment ;) |
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| 19:01.50 | DaveLab | mickeyl, yeah! that's the route I was originally trying to go down... by splitting it first, and then adding them myself |
| 19:02.01 | DaveLab | I'm just unfamiliar with the syntax |
| 19:02.03 | mickeyl | i'm sure there is something simpler using itertools or stuff |
| 19:02.17 | mickeyl | but i'm not parsing strings a lot |
| 19:02.20 | kd8ikt | Arcnet: does cat /dev/ttySAC1 show anything? |
| 19:02.25 | Arcnet | root@om-gta02:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron |
| 19:02.25 | Arcnet | 1 |
| 19:02.28 | Arcnet | yes |
| 19:02.29 | kd8ikt | if not its not turned on |
| 19:02.32 | Arcnet | NMEA data |
| 19:02.39 | mickeyl | l8er, need a break |
| 19:02.41 | edistar | nomeata: any idea why it doesn't work anymore? |
| 19:02.51 | DaveLab | mickeyl, what did you think of what ronny said about using cgi_parse |
| 19:03.14 | Arcnet | $GPRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,N*53 |
| 19:03.14 | Arcnet | $GPVTG,,,,,,,,,N*30 |
| 19:03.14 | Arcnet | $GPGGA,,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*48 |
| 19:03.14 | Arcnet | $GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,99.99,99.99,99.99*30 |
| 19:03.14 | Arcnet | [snip...] |
| 19:03.33 | mickey|tv | DaveLab: never did much web programming, but it might be exactly what you need, if your format string matches the criteria |
| 19:03.35 | ronny | mickey|tv: dict(x.split('=', 1) for x in str.split(';')) |
| 19:03.43 | SpeedEvil | Arcnet: that's not a valid fix |
| 19:03.45 | mickey|tv | ronny: oh yes! |
| 19:03.56 | DaveLab | yep yep |
| 19:04.03 | DaveLab | yeah ronny, tell 'em how it is! |
| 19:04.04 | Arcnet | that's the problem ;) |
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| 19:04.10 | mickey|tv | rusty... too much high level software engineering |
| 19:04.12 | ronny | DaveLab: how do you send the stuff to the server |
| 19:04.44 | SpeedEvil | $GPGGA,065852.00,5613.022527,N,00306.725890,W,1,05,0.5,158.0,M,0.277000,M,-0.010 |
| 19:04.45 | Arcnet | It outputs those lines about every 500ms |
| 19:04.48 | ronny | DaveLab: socket.send ? or some kind of http/rpc |
| 19:04.48 | SpeedEvil | 0515,*7Ais valid |
| 19:05.16 | SpeedEvil | Arcnet: How recent a kernel are you running? |
| 19:05.35 | SpeedEvil | Arcnet: new ones should have SD related GPS fixes |
| 19:05.35 | Arcnet | uname -a says: Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Thu Aug 7 15:57:11 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown |
| 19:05.46 | Arcnet | I use no SD ;) |
| 19:05.52 | SpeedEvil | I think the GPS fixes should be in that. |
| 19:05.57 | SpeedEvil | You took it outside to get lock? |
| 19:06.13 | Arcnet | yes, i removed it and am running on internal memory |
| 19:06.39 | Tig| | Arcnet: you may be pleased to know with the recent fixes I can get a fix in about 60 secs with the SD card in now :) (on FSO) |
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| 19:07.09 | kd8ikt | wonders if your using a latest kernel |
| 19:07.28 | kd8ikt | oh aug 7 |
| 19:07.35 | kd8ikt | that should suffice |
| 19:08.03 | Arcnet | SD should be no issue as no card is inserted, or are there any other problems with old kernels and gps? |
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| 19:12.31 | Arcnet | Could this be caused by the bad soldering problem? |
| 19:12.41 | edistar | not really |
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| 19:14.09 | salvador | hello |
| 19:14.10 | lollydays | in tangogps when it says "no gps" does that mean it doesn't have a lock or GPS is not on? |
| 19:14.21 | Zorkman | lollydays: it means gps is not on |
| 19:14.39 | lollydays | dang it, I turned it on in settings |
| 19:14.40 | Zorkman | install gpsd, and change the file |
| 19:15.01 | salvador | my name is part Figueroa, live in argentina, I'm originally from Chile, I saw on television as a bomb this city of georgia, the truth I want to help, we are a middle-class family, we do not have many resources, if we can provide housing in our house to no more than 2 or 3 people, so they can leave this place, if someone is interested can send an email to marcoantonioelromano22@hotmail.com |
| 19:15.02 | lollydays | change what file? |
| 19:15.25 | Arcnet | /etc/default/gpsd |
| 19:15.31 | kd8ikt | lol salvador |
| 19:15.41 | kd8ikt | yeah i'll get right on that |
| 19:15.43 | Arcnet | it should be... *one moment ;-)* |
| 19:16.00 | sevenhundred | I actually have the same gps problem as Arcnet |
| 19:16.13 | sevenhundred | or had when I used om2008 |
| 19:16.19 | Arcnet | -> GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1" |
| 19:16.33 | DaveLab | Zorkman :) |
| 19:16.39 | Arcnet | sevenhundred: which firmware do you use now? |
| 19:16.47 | Arcnet | (or which image ;) ) |
| 19:16.57 | DaveLab | ronny, I send it via tcp/ip yeah socket.send |
| 19:17.02 | sevenhundred | I'm on Qtopia (which doesn't have gps afaik) |
| 19:17.05 | Zorkman | i'm glad i always make you smile Dave :) |
| 19:17.09 | DaveLab | :) |
| 19:17.28 | Zorkman | how the programming go? |
| 19:17.36 | Zorkman | (and the testing since you're back @ the lab :)) |
| 19:17.38 | ronny | DaveLab: then take a look at picle and socket.makefile |
| 19:18.03 | ronny | eh pickle |
| 19:18.08 | DaveLab | hmmm, okay |
| 19:18.10 | Arcnet | using no gps solves it, yeah :-P But I think I'll try 2007.2 image, just to be sure it's no software issue |
| 19:18.23 | DaveLab | ronny, your suggestions and ideas on this subject are most welcome :D |
| 19:18.48 | ZorkmanLab | he's german Dave, he knows what is best for you |
| 19:19.43 | ronny | well, of course i do, if i didnt know whats best for my minions, how can i possibly take over the world |
| 19:19.47 | kd8ikt | whatever happened to chocky |
| 19:20.02 | ZorkmanLab | choked |
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| 19:20.22 | Arcnet | Is GPS verified to work with Freerunner/Om2007.2 stable release? |
| 19:20.37 | salvador | I watched television yesterday and looked like bombed georgia, I imagine that many people must flee and not knowing where to go, if someone wants refuge in my home you can find it, we are a family of argenmtina, my mail address is marcoantonioelromano22@hotmail.com |
| 19:20.48 | ZorkmanLab | (anybody read the book "Choke" by Chuck Palahniuk? always have to think of that when i see his nick :) (that and my first girlfriend :)) |
| 19:20.56 | kd8ikt | Arcnet: it works for me on FSO milestone 2 |
| 19:21.22 | Arcnet | I didn't try FSO yet, but that would be another good reason to do so |
| 19:21.26 | ZorkmanLab | salvador: I'm really sorry you looked like bombed georgia |
| 19:22.05 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 19:22.09 | salvador | please me over the private use because a program to translate barely speak English, my language is Spanish |
| 19:22.13 | kd8ikt | gotta love that engrish |
| 19:22.45 | kd8ikt | i dare not "please" someone over the net |
| 19:22.58 | Arcnet | :-D |
| 19:23.02 | cga | which is the latest working u-boot for ASU??? |
| 19:23.05 | kd8ikt | pluss wtf are you soliciting this stuff here? goaway |
| 19:23.30 | kd8ikt | salvador: /join #no1kares |
| 19:23.40 | ZorkmanLab | or come to my lab! we're out of argentinians to test upon, maybe dave can use some also |
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| 19:24.12 | ZorkmanLab | lets keep this confidential |
| 19:24.35 | DaveLab | What package provides ld? |
| 19:24.51 | salvador | if there people who should leave that country and does not know where, in argentina our family can help the most two or three people, my mail is marcoantonioelromano22@hotmail.com, we want to help people affected by this war |
| 19:25.08 | kd8ikt | fuckoff |
| 19:25.34 | kd8ikt | some1 ban that turd |
| 19:26.18 | ZorkmanLab | wowµ |
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| 19:26.33 | Jesus_Christ | peace and love bros |
| 19:26.42 | ernst | hello a programm want "fopen" what package does it ? |
| 19:26.50 | Jesus_Christ | don't insult that poor guy from an unfortunate land |
| 19:26.54 | Jesus_Christ | XD |
| 19:27.32 | ZorkmanLab | first we had the king (tsudot_) and now even jesus christ superstar, openmoko really is popular |
| 19:27.32 | kd8ikt | crucifies Jesus_Chris |
| 19:27.33 | zash | but it seems slightly off topic |
| 19:27.44 | cga | lol ZorkmanLab |
| 19:27.49 | kd8ikt | thats an understatement |
| 19:28.12 | ronny | hmm, now openmoko just has to start to work |
| 19:28.36 | cga | ronny, don't woprry chuck norris will fix that |
| 19:28.38 | ZorkmanLab | don't worry, next audience i will ask the king, he will fix it |
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| 19:28.53 | cga | chuck norris > king |
| 19:28.53 | salvador | I go to work, and whether any repeat of georgia family is affected by the war and needed shelter our family stands ready to help, we argentina, middle class, but we all love to help people suffering .- send email to marcoantonioelromano22@hotmail.com |
| 19:29.06 | Arcnet | kd8ikt: Do you run your firmware from SD or from flash memory? |
| 19:29.13 | kd8ikt | flash |
| 19:29.15 | salvador | gracias!!!! |
| 19:29.25 | ZorkmanLab | de nada salvador |
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| 19:29.35 | ernst | fopen does anyone know thois |
| 19:29.35 | edistar | nomeata: sry.. quick question.. xrandr -o left doesn't work, how can I get it to work? |
| 19:29.37 | ernst | this ? |
| 19:29.38 | cga | salvador, go write shelly the republican |
| 19:29.57 | DaveLab | anyone? |
| 19:29.59 | ZorkmanLab | edistar: xrandr -o 1 |
| 19:30.04 | cga | DaveLab, ? |
| 19:30.06 | DaveLab | What package provides ld? |
| 19:30.16 | edistar | nomeata: http://nopaste.org/p/aTryUGEBZ |
| 19:30.16 | ronny | cga: seriously, my expectation was, will work with nasty constraints, all i got was not usable as phone |
| 19:30.24 | edistar | ZorkmanLab: doesn't work either, debian |
| 19:30.49 | kd8ikt | Arcnet: also i have a 2GB card in the slut |
| 19:30.50 | cga | ronny, mine works with default image (2007.2) |
| 19:30.50 | ZorkmanLab | ah ok, don't count on me than, i know nothing, i'm from barcelona |
| 19:31.09 | kd8ikt | freudian slip |
| 19:31.11 | Arcnet | you're dirty :-P |
| 19:31.18 | ZorkmanLab | sound quality is not good enough to use as a phone here :( |
| 19:31.21 | cga | anyway folks |
| 19:31.21 | salvador | I go to work, and whether any repeat of georgia family is affected by the war and needed shelter our family stands ready to help, we argentina, middle class, but we all love to help people suffering .- send email to marcoantonioelromano22@hotmail.com, bye escriban!!! |
| 19:31.32 | cga | which is the latest working u-boot for ASU??? (if needed) |
| 19:31.35 | kd8ikt | omfg someone get ahold of an admin |
| 19:31.36 | zedstar | ~lart salvador |
| 19:31.36 | apt | steals salvador's mojo |
| 19:31.58 | lindi- | edistar: xrandr -o 3 does not work with xorg on freerunner afaik |
| 19:32.03 | ronny | cga: a few weeks ago te repos for that one broked the kernel, and of course, pim-sync with pc does not exist (no, rsync aint a valid solution) |
| 19:32.12 | edistar | lindi-: thx |
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| 19:32.20 | lindi- | edistar: but i am not sure if it could be made to work |
| 19:32.21 | Arcnet | ZorkmanLab: I had to rise mic2 volume on Om2008.8 (modified some state files) |
| 19:32.27 | lindi- | edistar: wait till we have xglamo on debian |
| 19:32.48 | edistar | lindi-: I had xglamo on debian once.. just copied the binary |
| 19:32.50 | ZorkmanLab | Arcnet: yeah i did all that, problem is the other side hears a "buzzing" sound when i speak |
| 19:33.01 | ZorkmanLab | if i further increase the volume they get an echo |
| 19:33.07 | ZorkmanLab | and the volume is already low :( |
| 19:33.35 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 19:33.42 | Arcnet | hm, I don't have any buzzing, but I only called my other phone |
| 19:33.57 | DaveLab | Where art thou ld? |
| 19:33.57 | ZorkmanLab | i also don't have buzzing, it's the other side that has that problem :( |
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| 19:34.20 | ZorkmanLab | *I* can use it as a phone, but then other people don't wanna call :) |
| 19:34.22 | lindi- | edistar: but does the touchscreen work? |
| 19:34.31 | Torikun1 | lol |
| 19:34.33 | edistar | lindi-: yes |
| 19:34.36 | kd8ikt | my dad stopped calling me because of it ;) everytime i talk to him he complains about it, funny to cause he's practicly deaf(selective hearing i guess) |
| 19:34.39 | DaveLab | Is ld provided by gcov or something? |
| 19:34.49 | lindi- | edistar: i think the problem was that we were not able to compile xglamo |
| 19:34.52 | DaveLab | kd8, a perfect subject then! :D |
| 19:34.53 | lindi- | edistar: can you compile it? |
| 19:35.00 | DaveLab | lindi, perhaps you can tell me? :) |
| 19:35.03 | edistar | lindi-: never tried |
| 19:35.13 | ZorkmanLab | DaveLab: maybe in binutils? |
| 19:35.13 | lindi- | DaveLab: ? |
| 19:35.22 | DaveLab | obviously not |
| 19:35.32 | DaveLab | lindi: I'm trying to find where to get ld from :P |
| 19:35.37 | lindi- | $ dpkg -S `which ld` |
| 19:35.37 | lindi- | binutils: /usr/bin/ld |
| 19:35.42 | ronny | try build-essentails? |
| 19:36.04 | kd8ikt | ugh i think he means for the phone |
| 19:36.41 | DaveLab | I don't have one |
| 19:36.45 | ZorkmanLab | http://www.filewatcher.com/p/binutils-2.11.90.0.24.tar.gz.9639655/binutils-2.11.90.0.24/ld.htm you can compile it |
| 19:36.46 | DaveLab | kd8, right |
| 19:36.49 | DaveLab | lindi, for the phone :) |
| 19:36.58 | lindi- | DaveLab: i have debian on my phone |
| 19:37.00 | DaveLab | I was trying to ascertain which package provides ld. |
| 19:37.06 | DaveLab | lindi, great, that doesn't help me :) |
| 19:37.08 | kd8ikt | oh noes XorA is gone |
| 19:37.10 | edistar | DaveLab: and now you know |
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| 19:38.02 | nomeata | edistar: sorry, missed the message: no Xorg fbdriver does not support xrandr |
| 19:38.52 | DaveLab | edistar :P |
| 19:39.20 | DaveLab | gee, well, thanks for your help |
| 19:39.22 | CVirus | DaveLab: how is python + sockets going ? |
| 19:39.55 | DaveLab | Virus, it was going alright until I was interrupted by not having ld on the phone for compiling some kernel modules :P |
| 19:40.19 | ZorkmanLab | is that back-up script already on the wiki? can't find it |
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| 19:40.29 | kd8ikt | oh yeah i've had huge phone conversations about the "buzzing, poping,and general interference" but all in all the conv still continues, but in a loud env... i doubt i could with the low speaker output on my end |
| 19:40.43 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.01 | DaveLab | Zorkman, so were you simply stating I could compile it, or that binutils is supposed to provide it? |
| 19:41.24 | kd8ikt | gets worse when the cpu is racing |
| 19:41.46 | kd8ikt | like someone called me during an opkg upgrade |
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| 19:42.04 | ZorkmanLab | i was stating binutils seems to provide it, but remember: I KNOW NOTHING (about this thing calles... what's its name? lienuks? :)) |
| 19:42.25 | cga | ZorkmanLab, not yet on wiki. needs some more code |
| 19:42.38 | DaveLab | kd8, booom |
| 19:42.40 | ZorkmanLab | k, np |
| 19:42.41 | DaveLab | that sounds funny though |
| 19:42.57 | cga | ZorkmanLab, anyway it works as is . we need just to perfect it a bit with traps and catches |
| 19:43.02 | DaveLab | Zorkman, I have binutils-2.18 installed, it doesn't provide it apparently, though I have a lib ld.so :P |
| 19:43.23 | ZorkmanLab | i hoped it would be possible to use a voice-changing tool on the freerunner |
| 19:43.25 | DaveLab | bash: ld: command not found |
| 19:43.36 | ZorkmanLab | would be funny to call someone and sound all highpitched and stuff |
| 19:43.37 | kd8ikt | i dont see whynot ZorkmanLab |
| 19:43.41 | ZorkmanLab | cpu? |
| 19:43.56 | ZorkmanLab | when i want to use epiano and press te buttons to fast it already jamms |
| 19:44.05 | kd8ikt | but they'd probably know it was you cause of the pops/clicks |
| 19:44.06 | ZorkmanLab | *too |
| 19:44.07 | Flyser | Hi I am currently trying to get a bit into OpenMoko and in connection with that E17 development and I wonder if there are python-e17 bindings preinstalled on FSO or Om 2008.8 ? |
| 19:44.08 | DaveLab | yep |
| 19:44.16 | DaveLab | epiano :[ |
| 19:44.29 | DaveLab | it sucks because the ts doesn't support multitap |
| 19:44.29 | DaveLab | :( |
| 19:44.35 | DaveLab | where's synaptics when you need 'em |
| 19:44.37 | kd8ikt | python-ecore python-evas |
| 19:44.44 | kd8ikt | just a opkg install away |
| 19:44.54 | DaveLab | woohoo :p |
| 19:45.47 | kd8ikt | then again Flyser i was chatting with ieatlint, he's been dabling in ecore/evas stuff and recommends C |
| 19:46.15 | kd8ikt | http://lint.devjavu.com/browser |
| 19:46.37 | DaveLab | indeed |
| 19:46.39 | DaveLab | >:) |
| 19:46.47 | kd8ikt | for one writing anything in C instead of say.. python you half the recouses used |
| 19:47.01 | DaveLab | What? |
| 19:47.03 | kd8ikt | re?sources |
| 19:47.14 | kd8ikt | CPU/MEM usage |
| 19:47.16 | DaveLab | python you? |
| 19:47.19 | DaveLab | geeze |
| 19:47.25 | DaveLab | no more mushrooms for you!:p |
| 19:47.37 | ernst | thats great http://accelges.googlecode.com/files/accelges_0.1.0-svnr204-r2_armv4t.ipk |
| 19:47.39 | kd8ikt | omg rd-bomb tripping |
| 19:47.46 | ronny | vala ftw |
| 19:47.56 | ronny | c is just messy |
| 19:47.59 | Flyser | kd8ikt: thanks |
| 19:48.00 | DaveLab | haha |
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| 19:48.08 | DaveLab | kd8 did you ever find the screensaver source? :( |
| 19:48.25 | DaveLab | ernst what is it? |
| 19:48.33 | kd8ikt | nope |
| 19:48.54 | kd8ikt | only think it exists in xscreensaver, and god knows if i can find it inside |
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| 19:49.16 | kd8ikt | suprisingly xscreensaver is pretty darn small |
| 19:49.22 | DaveLab | :| |
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| 19:49.24 | kd8ikt | the source tarball |
| 19:49.27 | DaveLab | oh nice |
| 19:49.33 | DaveLab | pass it around? |
| 19:49.35 | kd8ikt | but its still over my head |
| 19:49.39 | DaveLab | heh |
| 19:49.46 | DaveLab | prods ernst |
| 19:49.54 | DaveLab | bah I still can't find ld |
| 19:50.36 | Torikun1 | WB DaveLab |
| 19:50.46 | DaveLab | \o/ |
| 19:50.59 | Torikun1 | http://digg.com/linux_unix/My_journey_with_the_OpenMoko_Neo_Freerunner |
| 19:51.10 | kd8ikt | Flyser: ieatlint just finished up a "simple" lil app he made using e17 libs if you want to see it and the sources |
| 19:52.28 | kd8ikt | http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/dot/dot.tgz <-- displays a background image and draws a "icon" that moves around in relationship to the accelerometer data |
| 19:52.46 | kd8ikt | source --> http://lint.devjavu.com/browser/dot |
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| 19:54.05 | kd8ikt | its really "cute" next we should mod it for a labrynth type game |
| 19:54.11 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 19:54.22 | Zorkman | anybody else get errors when installing gestures app? |
| 19:54.47 | kd8ikt | i was missing libnotify and something else so i gave up |
| 19:55.11 | Zorkman | i get s.0 and so.0.0.0 errors |
| 19:55.30 | DaveLab | gestures? what are you, some msn live kiddie? :P |
| 19:55.40 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.56 | DaveLab | torikun, fyi, your link doesn't work |
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| 19:56.08 | DaveLab | negative on that sixty-niner |
| 19:56.13 | Sargun | DaveLab, No. |
| 19:56.23 | DaveLab | Sargun, no? |
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| 19:56.45 | kd8ikt | isnt sargun some evil guy from startrek? |
| 19:56.50 | Sargun | No. |
| 19:56.50 | DaveLab | asdf |
| 19:56.54 | Sargun | ASDF! |
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| 19:57.01 | DaveLab | jkl; |
| 19:57.03 | Sargun | Gestures = Accelermometer |
| 19:57.04 | Sargun | JKL! |
| 19:57.07 | rooly|away | jebus |
| 19:57.08 | DaveLab | SEM!!! |
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| 19:57.21 | lollydays | anyone know how to import contacts in FSO? |
| 19:57.40 | kd8ikt | enter them in one by one manually |
| 19:57.45 | Sargun | have fun! |
| 19:57.46 | lindi- | lollydays: have you figured out the format? |
| 19:57.59 | lollydays | well, i have a big VCF file |
| 19:58.17 | DaveLab | Anyone here have ld on their phone? :P |
| 19:58.32 | lindi- | i do :) |
| 19:58.36 | kd8ikt | nope just ldconfig |
| 19:58.42 | lollydays | in ASU i just ran /opt/Qtopia/bin/addressbook, but FSO doesn't have the qtopia stuff |
| 19:58.43 | DaveLab | lindi, hah yeah yeah |
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| 19:58.57 | DaveLab | lindi, unfortunately, I don't think your debian version will do me much good :) |
| 19:59.07 | ernst | helpfule http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gestures |
| 19:59.50 | rooly|away | welp |
| 19:59.53 | lollydays | lindi-, so do you know how to import contacts in FSO? |
| 19:59.57 | rooly|away | that makes twice i drain the battery all the way |
| 20:00.26 | DaveLab | So what's the point of it? |
| 20:00.31 | rooly|away | btw, boot of a phone with no battery power left is possible |
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| 20:00.49 | DaveLab | shake your freerunner like a nanny shakes your infant to death, in order to shut your phone up? |
| 20:01.09 | DaveLab | doesn't lint already implement SIBS in dot? ;p |
| 20:01.17 | lindi- | lollydays: do you know where the contacts are? |
| 20:01.27 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 20:01.32 | DaveLab | haha > Vigorous shaking (side to side) while receiving a call could reject it. |
| 20:01.40 | lollydays | lindi-, on the phone? no |
| 20:01.57 | Ian00 | so I just got my freeruner (yay!), what are these 2 clunky plastic things with 2 poles and holes for an electric plug thing? |
| 20:01.58 | DaveLab | I can just picture kd8ikt envisioning himself strangling the caller (one of his relatives) |
| 20:01.59 | Wiedi | lollydays, i have a ugly script, i'll put it on the wiki if you want |
| 20:02.18 | Wiedi | contacts are stored on the sim |
| 20:02.19 | lindi- | lollydays: figure out that first |
| 20:02.20 | kd8ikt | pull a homer/bart simpson strangle |
| 20:02.26 | Wiedi | so it's very limited |
| 20:02.26 | lollydays | Wiedi, as long as it works, that'd be great |
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| 20:02.32 | lollydays | i have too many contacts on my sim |
| 20:02.34 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: dor does not seam to work on 2007.2... or am i doing anything wrong+? |
| 20:02.37 | lollydays | it auto imports SIM contacts |
| 20:02.43 | lollydays | i mean, i have too many to fit on my SIM |
| 20:02.44 | Zorkman | i just untarred it and ran ./dot |
| 20:02.59 | kd8ikt | what? dot? it needs some e libs |
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| 20:03.06 | DaveLab | yeah |
| 20:03.08 | ssweeny | i noticed 2007.2 doesn't import _all_ SIM contacts |
| 20:03.10 | ssweeny | only so many |
| 20:03.31 | DaveLab | whines about not having a linker |
| 20:03.35 | kd8ikt | Zorkman: http://lint.devjavu.com/browser/dot/dot.c <-- if you look at the #includes thats what it needs |
| 20:03.43 | Zorkman | thanks |
| 20:03.54 | Zorkman | btw: it breaks my terminal window; i cant ctrl-c :) |
| 20:03.56 | kd8ikt | ecore evas etc possibly maybe |
| 20:04.08 | DaveLab | Zorkman :D |
| 20:04.09 | kd8ikt | oh yeah naughty spank spank? |
| 20:04.28 | kd8ikt | only way i could kill it like that is kill -KILL pid# |
| 20:04.32 | Zorkman | yeah, but when i run it with display=:0 not even spanking, just nothing :) |
| 20:04.42 | lollydays | damn, so FSO stores contacts on the SIM? That sucks. |
| 20:04.45 | kd8ikt | hm |
| 20:04.48 | DaveLab | shake shake shake |
| 20:04.52 | DaveLab | shake shake shake |
| 20:04.52 | lollydays | Back to ASU for me |
| 20:06.21 | Infoport | hey when I make a boot image on SD card, and want to specify where it is, do I say it is on /boot/uImage.bin or do I use /dev/mmcblk0p3/boot/uImage.bin? |
| 20:06.42 | Arcnet | Is it possible to install gpsd on FSO? |
| 20:06.49 | kd8ikt | yeah |
| 20:06.51 | edistar | Arcnet: yes |
| 20:06.58 | Arcnet | how? :-D |
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| 20:07.02 | kd8ikt | what? dot? it needs some e libs o.h> |
| 20:07.02 | kd8ikt | 2 #include <Ecore_Evas.h> |
| 20:07.02 | kd8ikt | 3 #include <Ecore.h> |
| 20:07.02 | kd8ikt | 4 #include <errno.h> |
| 20:07.06 | kd8ikt | 5 nowhoopz |
| 20:07.19 | Arcnet | opkg install gpsd throws error -2, so it's not in the repo |
| 20:07.34 | Infoport | anybody with tri-boot? |
| 20:07.38 | rooly|away | what's the accelerometer dev packages? |
| 20:07.41 | Arcnet | Or can i savely install the Om2007.2 package? |
| 20:07.55 | kd8ikt | opkg install http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/updates/distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk ? |
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| 20:07.59 | kd8ikt | Arcnet: |
| 20:08.08 | Arcnet | thanks you ^^ |
| 20:08.12 | Arcnet | -s... |
| 20:08.20 | kd8ikt | oh wait those repos are empty |
| 20:08.24 | Zorkman | libecore-evas, python-evas, libevas... |
| 20:08.43 | kd8ikt | lemmie show you my repos Arcnet |
| 20:09.18 | Arcnet | :) |
| 20:10.03 | Ian00 | so I just got my freeruner, what are these 2 clunky plastic things with 2 poles and holes for an electric cord? |
| 20:10.36 | Arcnet | those are antenna connectors for gps and gsm (i think ;)) |
| 20:10.42 | Zorkman | :D |
| 20:10.43 | SUNWjoejaxx | Ian00: international power adapters |
| 20:10.46 | kd8ikt | http://pastebin.ca/1171897 |
| 20:10.49 | Infoport | anybody triple-booting? |
| 20:10.56 | Ian00 | ahh, thank you. |
| 20:11.00 | asdf | DaveLab: yes'em? |
| 20:11.03 | asdf | Sargun: yes'em? |
| 20:11.22 | Infoport | Ian00 they gave you several plugs, yuou slide the correct one into the end of the power adapter and click |
| 20:11.24 | kd8ikt | oh dang pastebin.com banned me |
| 20:11.39 | zash | kd8ikt: doh |
| 20:11.44 | zash | kd8ikt: build your own |
| 20:11.45 | Arcnet | ^^ |
| 20:12.08 | kd8ikt | guess someone flagged my two instances of ascii nekid ladies (not like it was a huge deal anyway i set it to only last a day |
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| 20:12.50 | Arcnet | I can't connect to pastebin.ca, strange |
| 20:13.02 | Zorkman | haha |
| 20:13.06 | ftnt | hi everybody, I tried 2008.8 but the wifi won't work, then I installed fso, everything's fine but it doesn't have any web browser, how can I install one? |
| 20:13.12 | Infoport | ascii ladies? ooooOOO. did you sign it xoxoxo? they may have seen that as hardcore action porn |
| 20:13.41 | Zorkman | it was the best openmoko code i've seen :) |
| 20:13.41 | kd8ikt | Arcnet: http://rafb.net/p/fkVAUG14.html |
| 20:13.55 | Arcnet | yeah ^^ |
| 20:14.31 | Arcnet | Oh, Schäuble lässt GrüÃen @ totalueberwachung.de :-D |
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| 20:16.30 | kd8ikt | whoopz i neglected that pastebin.com shows a list of most recent pastes |
| 20:19.11 | kd8ikt | ew nice http://openmoko.pastebin.com/m5d243502 |
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| 20:20.05 | DaveLab | asdf, rofl |
| 20:20.36 | DaveLab | what are you two going on about anyway? |
| 20:20.54 | asdf | o.0 |
| 20:21.07 | DaveLab | kd8ikt, almost as hot as http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing? |
| 20:21.37 | asdf | gotta fly, be back later. |
| 20:21.42 | DaveLab | Later man. |
| 20:21.56 | DaveLab | What a peculiar young man. |
| 20:23.09 | cga | DaveLab, in order for 20080813 to boot is it necessary to flash the u-boot too? |
| 20:23.16 | Zorkman | cga: no |
| 20:23.19 | cga | ok |
| 20:23.23 | cga | thanks |
| 20:23.28 | ZorkmanLab | np |
| 20:23.34 | DaveLab | :o |
| 20:23.45 | DaveLab | Oh, so now you wanted to be cool as well, Zorkman? :P |
| 20:23.51 | ZorkmanLab | two people in the lab are better than one :) |
| 20:23.56 | DaveLab | Who invited you anyway? :P |
| 20:23.58 | DaveLab | hah |
| 20:24.09 | DaveLab | Yeah, unfortunately it's already crowded here today. |
| 20:24.19 | ZorkmanLab | we need to kick some life in our freerunner, i'll provide the corpse and the iron pole, you provide the thunderstorm |
| 20:24.22 | cga | going to flash then |
| 20:24.27 | Arcnet | @kd8kit: gps still outputs trash data... there is something seriously wrong :( |
| 20:24.39 | ZorkmanLab | maybe you have a dirty gps |
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| 20:25.14 | cga | does 20080813 have a shell? (or at least can i ssh into neo with it?) |
| 20:25.31 | ZorkmanLab | you can always ssh in the phone |
| 20:25.38 | ZorkmanLab | and you can opkg install a terminal |
| 20:25.41 | cga | cool |
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| 20:25.52 | cga | thanks. going to flash anmd try asu then |
| 20:25.53 | ZorkmanLab | (don't know if it has one by default) |
| 20:25.59 | ftnt | <cga> I don't know about 20080813 but in 20080808 you can install one or two of them |
| 20:26.02 | ZorkmanLab | me too |
| 20:26.09 | cga | ftnt, thanks |
| 20:27.13 | DaveLab | gaga |
| 20:27.18 | Infoport | Zorkman: you can only ssh in once it is booted into a compliant OS (all of these) but if you screw up the OS, you can ALWAYS boot the uBoot and re-flash |
| 20:27.24 | DaveLab | opkg install world |
| 20:27.46 | ZorkmanLab | opkg install workingphone |
| 20:27.55 | Infoport | opkg install newPres |
| 20:27.57 | DaveLab | error: -2 |
| 20:28.05 | cga | okpg install chuck_norris |
| 20:28.05 | DaveLab | hah |
| 20:28.19 | DaveLab | --force-depends |
| 20:28.31 | cga | rotating kick selecet as dependecy |
| 20:28.33 | DaveLab | unsatisfied dependency giant-beltbuckle |
| 20:28.39 | DaveLab | :P |
| 20:28.45 | DaveLab | fucking walker :P |
| 20:28.58 | cga | darn |
| 20:29.09 | Infoport | damn qtopia isnt booting for me...I guess I dont have triple-boot down right |
| 20:29.34 | *** part/#openmoko pb_ (n=pb@88-111-45-211.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 20:30.09 | cga | do the name have to be uImage.bin rootfs.jjfs2 ? |
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| 20:30.42 | lindi- | cga: what name? |
| 20:30.49 | DaveLab | accelges destroyed my phone |
| 20:30.54 | ZorkmanLab | what do you mean cga? |
| 20:30.56 | cga | lindi-, names of the files i wanna flash to the neo |
| 20:31.07 | Infoport | cga: I was told that you just needed to replace the variable \S{sd_image_name} with a real name, but I dont have it right apparently |
| 20:31.11 | lindi- | cga: are the filenames transmitted over usb? |
| 20:31.29 | cga | yes with dfu-util.. what else? |
| 20:31.42 | lindi- | cga: does dfu-util send the filenames? |
| 20:31.50 | cga | lindi-, i don't know |
| 20:31.53 | DaveLab | ~_~ |
| 20:31.54 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 20:32.10 | cga | ~lart cga |
| 20:32.10 | apt | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down cga's throat until cga puts on 150lbs |
| 20:32.10 | lindi- | cga: i'm quite sure it doesn't, use strace to be sure |
| 20:32.18 | ZorkmanLab | cga: yes you need a *.jjfs2 (root file system) and a kernel: uImage.bin |
| 20:32.19 | cga | ok lindi- |
| 20:32.26 | Infoport | apt: por favor, no digame mierdo |
| 20:32.27 | lindi- | cga: or read dfu-util source? |
| 20:32.28 | DaveLab | yum |
| 20:32.49 | rooly|away | horay |
| 20:32.53 | rooly|away | tangogps is working now |
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| 20:33.01 | rooly|away | something is bugged in the repository version |
| 20:33.08 | Arcnet | How did you fix it? |
| 20:33.08 | DaveLab | it's possible |
| 20:33.08 | cga | lindi-, i'm not in the mood for reading sources thanks =) |
| 20:33.14 | Arcnet | (same problem here ;) ) |
| 20:33.18 | rooly|away | i installed directly from the website |
| 20:33.24 | lindi- | cga: you should always be :) |
| 20:33.24 | DaveLab | that's what you should do! |
| 20:33.30 | DaveLab | high-fives rooly |
| 20:33.40 | rooly|away | accepts high-five and repays in kind |
| 20:33.43 | DaveLab | :D |
| 20:33.45 | rooly|away | with a low-five |
| 20:33.47 | lindi- | fd = open(fname, O_RDONLY|O_BINARY); |
| 20:33.59 | Infoport | with triple-boot my newer qtopia uImage doesnt seem to load right, get a command not recognized |
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| 20:34.41 | Infoport | it flips past quickly, looking again |
| 20:34.57 | lindi- | cga: dfu-util just opens the file based on the filename, it does not tell that filename to the phone |
| 20:35.08 | cga | lindi-, cool thanks =) |
| 20:35.10 | lindi- | cga: took like 5 minutes to check the source |
| 20:35.27 | cga | lindi-, well yes.. if you know what to search for |
| 20:35.29 | rooly|away | goes put clothes washing |
| 20:35.44 | lindi- | cga: dfu-util is very short |
| 20:35.51 | lindi- | cga: this is the first time i am reading dfu-util source |
| 20:36.44 | cga | one more question: i still have the uboot coming with default 2007.2 and i want to have multiboot (NAND+microSD) should i flash taht too? i've heard that it's needed for ext2+ext2 or something likely. |
| 20:36.49 | Infoport | unknown command '1125200' |
| 20:37.00 | DaveLab | hey ronny, still around? |
| 20:37.44 | ZorkmanLab | cga: yes flash uboot |
| 20:37.55 | Infoport | cga: probably if you want to use ext2+ext2....that is what I did to use that for multiboot of 2008.8 |
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| 20:38.16 | ZorkmanLab | and if you want to boot from SD: use fat for kernel and use ext2 for roots on SD, that way you don't have to edit the uboot entries |
| 20:38.20 | cga | ZorkmanLab, Infoport ok. any particular version of uboot? |
| 20:38.45 | Arcnet | ext3 is compatible to ext2, so you can use vfat+ext3 as well |
| 20:38.45 | cga | ZorkmanLab, but mmontour told us that i can put kernel and rootfs in the same partition |
| 20:38.45 | ZorkmanLab | latest one |
| 20:38.47 | Infoport | cga: I just grabbed the latest recommended, around Aug 5th |
| 20:39.00 | lindi- | i can't get usb keyboard work with http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr46+dc633f4be2527f844158aa5085c278b0c3039d3f-r0.bin |
| 20:39.05 | ZorkmanLab | cga: mmontour probably knows more about that than me, i have not tried that one |
| 20:39.16 | lindi- | 'echo "host" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode' prints '-bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument' |
| 20:39.21 | cga | ok i'll do it and tell you about it |
| 20:39.29 | lindi- | could somebody with working usb host support provide me listing of 'lsmod'? |
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| 20:39.38 | cga | hopes not to brick his neo.... |
| 20:39.50 | lollydays | i want to install FSO on my SD card, is there a tarball of the rootfs? |
| 20:39.58 | Infoport | cga: I am still trying to figure out how to put uImage in a nonstandard place...it is complaining that it can't find uImage.bin (on the first try after power up, then error changes) |
| 20:39.59 | cga | lindi-, not me sorry... that's why i'm flashing. no usb anymore. |
| 20:40.17 | lindi- | cga: it works as usb device here, just not as host |
| 20:40.22 | DaveLab | Danger Will Robinson! |
| 20:40.32 | Infoport | cga: you can ALWAYS reflash your FR, unless you brick both NAND and NOR, and you have to use debug board to brick NOR |
| 20:40.50 | DaveLab | you do? |
| 20:40.56 | DaveLab | or be Dave :P |
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| 20:41.16 | cga | lindi-, mine doesn't get charged by usb (wall charger works fortunately) and it doesn't get connect to laptop usb for ssh |
| 20:41.28 | lindi- | cga: different issue then |
| 20:41.29 | cga | Infoport, good |
| 20:41.34 | rooly|away | anyone know where i can get zenity for python? |
| 20:42.01 | Infoport | cga: wow, how did that happen? |
| 20:43.10 | DaveLab | killall glamo |
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| 20:44.18 | Infoport | lindi- here is a link with lsmod output..may have lots of junk you dont need though http://www.pastey.net/93843 |
| 20:44.36 | lollydays | can't find libvte9_0.16.9, openmoko-terminal2 is dependent on it, i can only find libvte9_0.16.8-rc3 for armv4t |
| 20:45.38 | Infoport | lindi- you said usb HOST support, so that is from my host (tell me if you needed OM lsmod output) |
| 20:46.16 | Infoport | DaveLab, if I call you Dave when you are on DaveLab, does IRC recognize it? |
| 20:46.31 | DaveLab | I AM DAVE. |
| 20:46.34 | DaveLab | Everywhere. |
| 20:46.39 | DaveLab | We hear you. |
| 20:46.40 | cga | Infoport, did you get the uboot from here http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/ ? |
| 20:47.05 | cga | Infoport, "how did it happen" -->> i run opkg update and opkg upgrade |
| 20:47.09 | Infoport | probably not, since I got it Aug5th |
| 20:47.21 | DaveLab | cga is your script functional and/or publicly available on the wiki, yet? |
| 20:47.24 | lindi- | Infoport: hmm, it works |
| 20:47.25 | rooly|away | am i the onlyone not getting anymore updates? |
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| 20:47.29 | lindi- | Infoport: i get the error but it works |
| 20:47.41 | lindi- | Infoport: i'll try to investigate if loading gadgetfs helped |
| 20:47.47 | DaveLab | rooly, nope |
| 20:48.02 | lindi- | Infoport: usb host support on freerunner yes |
| 20:48.12 | cga | Dave, the script is 100% working but still needs some code for traps for people choosing the wrong device , i could publsih it anyway. |
| 20:48.20 | lindi- | but it doesn't work under xorg now, hmm |
| 20:48.27 | lindi- | should be easy to configure :) |
| 20:49.42 | cga | DaveLab, should i publish? (read above) |
| 20:49.48 | Infoport | grr..this uBoot entry doesnt want to cooperate...it still seems to be looking for uImage.bin rather than uImage3.bin |
| 20:50.02 | cga | Infoport, is GPLv3 ok for you? |
| 20:50.24 | Infoport | cga: fine with me! |
| 20:50.28 | cga | coll |
| 20:50.29 | cga | cool |
| 20:50.37 | cga | jomat__, is GPLv3 ok for you? |
| 20:50.47 | DaveLab | cga: YES PLEASE DO |
| 20:50.59 | DaveLab | cga, want me to fix that incorrect selection issue though? :P |
| 20:51.00 | cga | don't shout or i shoot!!! |
| 20:51.04 | DaveLab | :D |
| 20:51.05 | Infoport | cga: it could be copyleft, except GPL versions at least have EFF behind them |
| 20:51.22 | Infoport | and Free Software Foundation |
| 20:51.28 | cga | eh GPL is the only license i would use anyway |
| 20:51.47 | cga | (for any code i will write) |
| 20:51.48 | DaveLab | cga: ikke drep meg. ta alt dere vil ha, men ikke drep meg! |
| 20:52.01 | cga | DaveLab, certo non c'è problema |
| 20:52.18 | DaveLab | me no speaky italia |
| 20:52.25 | cga | no speak dutch |
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| 20:53.31 | DaveLab | cga, norsk? :D |
| 20:53.34 | DaveLab | snakker? |
| 20:53.40 | cga | fuch |
| 20:54.13 | cga | DaveLab, whatever language you speak that's not italian or english is uknown for me |
| 20:54.44 | Quai | norwegian ;P |
| 20:54.50 | zash | DaveLab: eru norsk? |
| 20:54.52 | Infoport | cga: Principia Discordia (published in 60's) had a copyleft-- "All rites reversed -- reprint what you like" ...but then they werent assaulted by lawyers from MS,Novell,etc |
| 20:54.52 | cga | (except for french and spanish, which i know a bit) |
| 20:54.57 | DaveLab | :DDDDD |
| 20:55.05 | DaveLab | jajjajaaj |
| 20:55.14 | DaveLab | Quai hei :] |
| 20:55.45 | Quai | evening :) |
| 20:55.51 | Infoport | Dave: are you Norwegian, or just a trouble maker? |
| 20:55.52 | lindi- | hmm, now usb keyboard works in tty1 but not under xorg |
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| 20:56.03 | DaveLab | står til? |
| 20:56.12 | DaveLab | Infoport, all of the above. |
| 20:56.13 | Quai | we should respect the rest and keep this channel english :) |
| 20:56.28 | DaveLab | :( |
| 20:56.48 | DaveLab | jeg forstår... :\ |
| 20:56.57 | Infoport | anybody have luck with triple-boot? |
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| 20:57.05 | Quai | you know, this is the guys that are going to help you when you are stuck with your freerunner ;) |
| 20:57.30 | Infoport | Quai: you are assuming that Dave is saying something useful? |
| 20:58.05 | DaveLab | >:o |
| 20:58.22 | DaveLab | infoport, vil du ha bank? :D |
| 20:58.27 | Infoport | just poking fun Dave...I dont expect *everything* you say to help me with MY issues |
| 20:58.31 | Quai | my lastlog shows nothing bad :P |
| 20:58.37 | Quai | except that last one ;P |
| 20:58.40 | DaveLab | :P |
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| 20:58.58 | DaveLab | Quai, he asked for it! |
| 21:00.01 | Infoport | Dave: you'll have the bank? not sure I translate that... |
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| 21:00.55 | DaveLab | giggles |
| 21:01.14 | Infoport | Quai: Dave has been lots of help, so I consider him enough a friend to accept joking-- all is OK! |
| 21:01.26 | DaveLab | Hooray! |
| 21:01.30 | Quai | "Bank" is norwegian slang for "beating up" |
| 21:01.30 | DaveLab | high-fives Infoport |
| 21:01.31 | Quai | :D |
| 21:01.32 | cga | hey i get an error when trying: dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a u-boot -R -D /home/cga/freerunner/images/2008.08/20080813/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin ----> No such Alternate Setting: "u-boot" ?_? |
| 21:01.34 | Quai | hides |
| 21:01.35 | DaveLab | Quai :D |
| 21:01.39 | DaveLab | you weren't supposed to tell him! |
| 21:01.59 | DaveLab | quai, hvor ble du av? >:) |
| 21:02.01 | Infoport | Dave: sure I didnt translate bank right...Oh I see now! |
| 21:02.20 | Quai | I dont think he thought that you were going to give him a bank ;P |
| 21:02.37 | Infoport | :D |
| 21:02.40 | cga | DaveLab, do something useful for society... help me! :P |
| 21:02.46 | DaveLab | Quai, that's what I thought the first time a friend asked me a long time ago, but after getting beat up, I sure learned my lesson :D |
| 21:02.49 | DaveLab | cga :P |
| 21:02.50 | cga | going to publish the script |
| 21:02.56 | DaveLab | \o/ |
| 21:02.58 | Quai | hehe |
| 21:03.13 | cga | anyone has an idea on why i get that error?? |
| 21:03.24 | DaveLab | quai, hva gjør du? |
| 21:04.06 | Infoport | cga: yea! I was telling someone about the script, and started to say "my friend in Italy", so I guess I consider you a friend too -- I'll look for your couch next time in Italy ;) |
| 21:04.09 | Quai | nå, eller generelt? :P |
| 21:04.31 | cga | eh eh ok Infoport (if i'll be still here) |
| 21:04.34 | DaveLab | eeeeeeeeh |
| 21:04.40 | DaveLab | er du full? :D |
| 21:04.50 | zash | DaveLab: ERUFULLELLER |
| 21:04.52 | cga | egry itloa u? |
| 21:05.01 | linuxxr | rooly make an ipkg |
| 21:05.01 | DaveLab | LAWL |
| 21:05.03 | cga | fakes norsk |
| 21:05.03 | DaveLab | :DDDD |
| 21:05.15 | zash | cga: du misslyckas |
| 21:05.16 | DaveLab | zash, er du stein eller? |
| 21:05.18 | DaveLab | :DDD |
| 21:05.32 | zash | DaveLab: du kan vara en sten |
| 21:05.37 | Infoport | Dave bidrar med mange feil. |
| 21:05.39 | DaveLab | jajaja :D |
| 21:05.59 | DaveLab | infoport, snakker du til meg? >:) |
| 21:06.52 | Quai | is attending YAPC in Copenhagen |
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| 21:07.03 | Infoport | Dave, jeg var bare braggin om deg i norsk. |
| 21:07.16 | DaveLab | ~_~ |
| 21:07.17 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 21:07.21 | DaveLab | apt: drit i det! |
| 21:07.22 | zash | hahha |
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| 21:08.41 | Infoport | apt: do you like working here? |
| 21:08.42 | apt | yes, I like working here. |
| 21:08.53 | Infoport | apt: do you accomplish much work? |
| 21:08.53 | apt | yes, I accomplish much work. |
| 21:09.06 | DaveLab | apt, liker du å suge? ;p |
| 21:09.14 | Infoport | apt: do you sexually harass co-workers? |
| 21:09.15 | apt | yes, I sexually harass co-workers. |
| 21:09.36 | Infoport | apt: do you drink good beer? |
| 21:09.37 | apt | yes, I drink good beer. |
| 21:09.45 | Infoport | Apt: can I stay at your place? |
| 21:10.04 | Infoport | that made Apt pause... :D |
| 21:10.12 | cga | apt, will i get rich with my script? |
| 21:10.28 | Infoport | apt: do you pay for good scripts? |
| 21:10.29 | apt | yes, I pay for good scripts. |
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| 21:10.34 | Infoport | hey hey! |
| 21:10.35 | cga | \0/ |
| 21:10.45 | richiefrich | apt: why not make them yourself |
| 21:10.46 | apt | why not? |
| 21:10.56 | DaveLab | apt, vil du være med meg hjem i natt? ;) |
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| 21:11.09 | jzk2 | hi |
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| 21:12.14 | Infoport | Dave ooohhh, gonna get some bits! |
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| 21:12.20 | DaveLab | ;p |
| 21:12.24 | DaveLab | Chox it like it's hot. |
| 21:12.30 | Chox | does the Chox |
| 21:12.51 | Infoport | therre should be a translation plugin for XChat so I dont have to decode it myself |
| 21:12.53 | jzk2 | i trying to run bluetooth on freerunner(debian) and power_on 1 does't work anyone do it succesfully ? |
| 21:13.16 | Infoport | ok, I guess this tri-boot isnt gonna work, time to take a break |
| 21:14.16 | DaveLab | :) |
| 21:14.26 | DaveLab | maybe smoke some more, infoport? |
| 21:14.29 | DaveLab | you seem to like that. |
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| 21:15.36 | DaveLab | zash, jeg vet du er der! |
| 21:15.55 | zash | DaveLab: orly |
| 21:15.59 | DaveLab | apt: hos meg eller deg? |
| 21:16.13 | DaveLab | zash, s'kjera |
| 21:16.21 | zash | swhatnow? |
| 21:16.41 | DaveLab | what what? |
| 21:16.47 | zash | in the butt? |
| 21:17.00 | DaveLab | -_- |
| 21:17.08 | DaveLab | oh, is that where you like it? |
| 21:18.02 | DaveLab | I wish I knew where glamo liked it ;p |
| 21:18.50 | rooly|away | glamo likes it slow in the fsb |
| 21:18.55 | DaveLab | ;p |
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| 21:24.03 | Arcnet | still no gps fix, neither with FSO nor with Om2008.8 |
| 21:24.05 | Arcnet | :( |
| 21:24.20 | DaveLab | Aww |
| 21:24.24 | DaveLab | That's disappointing arcnet |
| 21:24.29 | DaveLab | same conditions? |
| 21:25.17 | Arcnet | yes, i even put my fr like fic did in this document: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/attachments/20080507/9a64aa3c/GPSPhonePerformanceComparison050608-0001.pdf |
| 21:25.45 | DaveLab | :| |
| 21:25.53 | Arcnet | no fix in 6 minutes, even if using agps |
| 21:25.56 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r842b90b7513c 10/opimd/ (9 files in 2 dirs): |
| 21:25.58 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Add API overview |
| 21:26.00 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Add preliminary contact field list |
| 21:26.02 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Rename PIMB_CAP_* to PIMB_CAN_* |
| 21:26.04 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Fix default backend handling |
| 21:26.06 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Add Contacts.Add() |
| 21:26.08 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Revamp some internal data structures |
| 21:26.37 | Arcnet | this is what my gps data looks like: http://gpsd.rellim.com/index.php?host=92.227.71.148&port=2947 |
| 21:26.38 | Pyrasi | ohhh more gsoc stuff |
| 21:27.05 | DaveLab | A.K.A. spam |
| 21:27.12 | Pyrasi | havent heard much from the speech recognition guy recently....wonder how he is doing... |
| 21:27.27 | DaveLab | arcnet :( |
| 21:27.38 | lindi- | sounds bit weird to start speech recognition project from scratch just for openmoko |
| 21:28.36 | DaveLab | uhh, yeah |
| 21:28.45 | DaveLab | just get dragon to run on arm :P |
| 21:28.49 | DaveLab | somehow... |
| 21:29.11 | ath | What they haven't started from scratch? |
| 21:31.17 | donomo | Arcnet: i reflashed FSO a week ago. cant get any GPS data. worked great from an image from a month ago (both milestone2) |
| 21:32.43 | Arcnet | Did you get any data (like GPS is turned on but has no fix/sees no satellites - which is my case) or didn't it get any data at all? |
| 21:32.54 | donomo | im not sure if gpsd is supposed to be part of milestone2. its not part of my filesystem |
| 21:33.04 | DaveLab | no you install it optionally |
| 21:33.18 | DaveLab | Which is rather strange, when you think about it. |
| 21:33.24 | donomo | DaveLab: from what repo since the opkg stuff is not setup in FSO |
| 21:33.33 | edistar | donomo: gpsd is not used in FSO |
| 21:33.37 | Arcnet | kd 8ikt gave me his sources |
| 21:33.45 | edistar | donomo: FSO has its own gps daemon |
| 21:33.50 | donomo | edistar: yeah but the gypsy stuff i cant tell if its even running |
| 21:34.02 | donomo | edistar: is it its own process or part of the python super-daemon thingy |
| 21:34.08 | edistar | donomo: it is not running except if you start an app that uses gps data |
| 21:34.13 | edistar | e.g. zhone gps |
| 21:34.23 | cga | Dave, Infoport jomat__ and anyone interested: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup#Interactive_script |
| 21:34.29 | DaveLab | woot :P |
| 21:34.33 | donomo | edistar: well the zhone gps used to work fine, now it doesnt. all fields are N/A. tangogps is also toast. |
| 21:34.34 | cga | pwn |
| 21:34.38 | DaveLab | cag |
| 21:34.45 | cga | ati |
| 21:34.49 | edistar | donomo: try to restart frameworkd and then restart xserver |
| 21:35.09 | rwhitby | donomo: it's part of the frameworkd process |
| 21:35.14 | donomo | edistar: i mean it was working on a flash from a month ago. the last flash a week ago has never had working gps. its had many many reboots |
| 21:35.20 | rwhitby | you can use dbus-monitor to see the events |
| 21:35.42 | rwhitby | donomo: where did you get the fso flash from a week ago - is that milestone 2 or something else? |
| 21:35.43 | donomo | dbus is just rad. |
| 21:36.06 | donomo | rwhitby: milestone2 in both cases which is why im amazed its not working. from before the gps stuff worked great out of the box, including tangogps |
| 21:36.57 | donomo | inbetween the two FSO flashings was a brief flirt with Om2008.8 |
| 21:37.05 | rwhitby | donomo: you could try a more recent fso image from http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/ |
| 21:37.14 | donomo | the pen alignment seems to be off ever since i went back to FSO. wish i would have never tried. |
| 21:37.24 | donomo | rwhitby: ok thx |
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| 21:37.40 | cga | omfg 20080813 is *so* slow |
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| 21:38.06 | donomo | overall i love the FSO approach which is why im sticking with it. python for rapid development. enlightenment libs. gypsy. all cool. |
| 21:38.08 | rwhitby | cga: you realise that any image from buildhost is not the same as asu, right? |
| 21:38.16 | Pyrasi | cga: install the xglamo library for acceleration |
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| 21:38.43 | Pyrasi | opkg install xserver-kdrive-glamo |
| 21:38.43 | cga | rwhitby, true, sorry =) |
| 21:38.46 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r00d48eb62fa5 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): odevapi: add/document org.freesmartphone.Device.Display |
| 21:38.50 | cga | Pyrasi, thanks |
| 21:39.47 | linuxxr | rooly did u make a tango pkg? |
| 21:40.45 | DaveLab | cga :D |
| 21:40.55 | Zorkman | anyone know how to get the "spanner" in 2008.08.13 from buildhost? |
| 21:41.00 | DaveLab | ooh, rwhitby is up |
| 21:41.20 | DaveLab | Hello :) |
| 21:41.40 | DaveLab | rwhitby if I take pictures of my freerunner mount would you like to see them? |
| 21:41.59 | rwhitby | I'll look at any pictures for money ... |
| 21:42.08 | donomo | DaveLab: id like to see them |
| 21:42.09 | DaveLab | haha |
| 21:42.12 | DaveLab | donomo, okay :) |
| 21:42.13 | rwhitby | for you, I'll look at some for free. |
| 21:42.15 | donomo | want a bicycle mount |
| 21:42.19 | Arcnet | 2 ;-) |
| 21:42.20 | DaveLab | ooh, a bargain! |
| 21:42.35 | donomo | the lanyard loop on the neo still looks funny to me |
| 21:43.16 | DaveLab | I wish I got one |
| 21:43.32 | DaveLab | none of mine came with |
| 21:47.17 | cga | Dave, ? |
| 21:47.19 | rooly|away | loves how big the neo's gsm antenne is |
| 21:47.22 | Zorkman | anyone know how to get the "spanner" in 2008.08.13 from buildhost? or thee graphical installer? |
| 21:48.03 | Infoport | DaveLab, yours came with a HOLE at the bottom right? I think that is the "lanyard loop" donomo means |
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| 21:48.14 | rooly|away | davelab isn't here silly |
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| 21:49.00 | Arcnet | now i'll try latest fso, hope gps works :-) |
| 21:49.00 | Pyrasi | Zorkman, the installer is already there |
| 21:49.01 | Infoport | rooly really? only 5min from last post |
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| 21:49.20 | Zorkman | Pyrasi: not in the daily buildhost image |
| 21:49.34 | Pyrasi | just goto /usr/share/applications/ and edit the assassin.desktop file to be in the "Office" Category instead of whatever it is |
| 21:49.35 | Infoport | oooohhh, now Dave (not in lab?) |
| 21:49.37 | Zorkman | also the spanner/wrench isn't there |
| 21:49.40 | Zorkman | ah, thanks |
| 21:49.53 | Pyrasi | the wrench i still havent been able to figure out how to get back |
| 21:49.53 | Infoport | what we need is a left-handed spanner |
| 21:50.05 | Infoport | for us southpaws |
| 21:50.17 | ftnt | does anyone knows how can I install a web-browser in fso? please |
| 21:50.51 | edistar | ftnt: opkg install links |
| 21:50.57 | Pyrasi | Zorkman: also, i noticed that gtk apps like tango gps dont seem to refresh correctly or something.....regardless tango gps doesnt work right for me |
| 21:51.40 | Zorkman | same here |
| 21:52.10 | Infoport | rooly HA! Gotcha! I'm a little slow on the uptake |
| 21:52.15 | ftnt | edistar it doen't exist, I think my repositories lists are empty, which one should I use? please |
| 21:52.27 | Infoport | DaveLab isn't here man |
| 21:52.59 | edistar | ftnt: e.g. scaredycats.. or rabenfrosts... |
| 21:53.15 | ftnt | ok, thanks! |
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| 21:53.34 | tkep | hi everybody |
| 21:53.36 | tkep | :) |
| 21:54.20 | SUNWjoejaxx | hi |
| 21:57.01 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r33d962f72e65 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): odevapi: add/document org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier and org.freesmartphone.Device.Input |
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| 21:58.47 | peter__b | is there a save way to prevent the makefile from build the toolchain ? |
| 21:59.15 | cga | how do i close an application in 20080813?? power button doesn't work |
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| 21:59.35 | Zorkman | cga: dropdown menu, and hit remove |
| 22:00.06 | cga | thanks |
| 22:02.58 | Arcnet | Still no GPS with 12. Aug FSO Image on SD... I'll give up, seems like the internal gps antenna connector is damaged :-( |
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| 22:05.02 | Archimedes | damn 24h disconnect... |
| 22:05.11 | cga | i get no route to host when i ssh in neo. how do i solve that? |
| 22:05.26 | Archimedes | do you use wlan or usb? |
| 22:05.29 | cga | usb |
| 22:05.40 | cga | with 20080813 if helps |
| 22:05.45 | Archimedes | what does route -n say? |
| 22:05.50 | cga | with 2007.2 used to work |
| 22:05.54 | cga | 1 sec |
| 22:06.17 | cga | root@braith:/home/cga# route -n |
| 22:06.17 | cga | Kernel IP routing table |
| 22:06.17 | cga | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 22:06.17 | cga | 192.168.0.200 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 22:06.17 | cga | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 22:06.18 | cga | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 22:06.46 | rooly|away | i remember something about needing to boot with the usb plugged in |
| 22:06.53 | cga | ok i try |
| 22:06.56 | Arcnet | the routes are ok |
| 22:07.07 | cga | boot the neo right? |
| 22:07.10 | rooly|away | yeah |
| 22:07.23 | cga | k |
| 22:07.31 | Infoport | oohhh I remember something about boot WITHOUT usb plugged in. whose rememebery is wrong? |
| 22:07.45 | SUNWjoejaxx | yes |
| 22:07.50 | SUNWjoejaxx | boot without the usb plugged in |
| 22:07.52 | rooly|away | probably mine |
| 22:08.17 | cga | ok trying |
| 22:08.20 | Infoport | I have a talent for tiny details which usually dont matter |
| 22:08.44 | Infoport | except when they matter (learn from my mistakes) |
| 22:08.52 | rooly|away | wow... |
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| 22:09.16 | rooly|away | okay, so popcicle sticks are delicious as plain old juice, and ritz-chips don't get stale |
| 22:09.18 | Infoport | rooly you had it half right! |
| 22:09.23 | Wonka | is still waiting for pand to reappear... |
| 22:09.35 | rooly|away | is still waiting for bluetoothing |
| 22:10.01 | rooly|away | does the "answer call" button on headsets work in the qtopia image? |
| 22:10.22 | cga | is there a bug on the clock in 20080813 ??? i set the timezone and clock but is always 2h earlier |
| 22:11.21 | rooly|away | just gotta keep fiddling with it |
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| 22:11.31 | peter__b | cga: try to set the time with date in the terminal |
| 22:11.31 | rooly|away | set the timezone first |
| 22:11.36 | rooly|away | then set the time |
| 22:11.43 | Infoport | I know that 2008.8 clock had its own timezone file |
| 22:12.12 | Infoport | different location than OM2007 (keep you on your toes) |
| 22:12.31 | Arcnet | yeah, pulled out internal gps connector without opening the FR... watchmaker's screwdriver ftw :-D |
| 22:12.44 | cga | peter__b, now that i can ssh yes =) |
| 22:16.14 | rooly|away | needs a bigger sd card |
| 22:16.19 | rooly|away | what's the max capacity on the FR? |
| 22:16.23 | rooly|away | 8, isn't it? |
| 22:16.26 | tkep | hey guys, after some thought and listening to your responses, freerunnerhq.com is changing over to a news w/ articles and message board based around openmoko |
| 22:16.39 | tkep | i got the forum up and running today, the news section should be up tomorrow |
| 22:17.15 | tkep | but it'd be cool to start getting the community together...if you wanna join, accounts are free and the discussion is solely based around openmoko and related hardware |
| 22:17.18 | Arcnet | rooly|away: afaik yes, but 8gb is the largest one avaible (at least 2 weeks ago, in germany) |
| 22:17.20 | tkep | www.freerunnerhq.com |
| 22:17.21 | tkep | :) |
| 22:17.49 | rooly|away | the sdhc standard supports up to 32 gigs... |
| 22:18.25 | Arcnet | yes it does, but 32 gigs are quite useless while there are only 8 gig available ;) |
| 22:18.33 | peter__b | how can i change the bootsplash image ? |
| 22:18.33 | tkep | the news section is almost finished...basing it on joomla, which will hook into the boards based on smc |
| 22:18.37 | tkep | smb* |
| 22:18.37 | rooly|away | right, just wondering what the max was |
| 22:18.41 | peter__b | cant see those boots anymore ... |
| 22:18.47 | Arcnet | I think I read *somewhere* (wiki?) that it should support 32 gig |
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| 22:20.28 | rooly|away | seems they've only tested up to 8 gigs |
| 22:21.09 | tkep | thanks for signing up already :) |
| 22:21.21 | tkep | i hope to get a lot of what is discussed in these chat sessions straight into the site |
| 22:21.37 | tkep | a way to document things that don't belong in the wiki, but can be used for help with the phones |
| 22:22.43 | ckix | tkep: registering done |
| 22:22.46 | Infoport | rooly arcnet, there is an issue with some high capacity SD cards, but everything which is 2G or less should work, with special instructions for those over |
| 22:22.55 | tkep | ckix, welcome! |
| 22:23.18 | tkep | i hope to basically have a mini linuxquestions.org based around openmoko |
| 22:24.24 | Infoport | tkep: dont be afraid to add to the wiki-- if people ask often enough (even if "stupid" question) it can be in wiki, if only in a FAQ section) |
| 22:25.08 | rooly|away | needs a 4 or 8 gig sd card |
| 22:25.22 | linuxxr | wat if im not at least 8 years old |
| 22:25.32 | johnsu01 | what does the red light indicate in om2008? |
| 22:25.53 | Infoport | linuxxr then you should tour and tell people "even a 7 year old can do it!" |
| 22:26.00 | linuxxr | it looks great an will work for organization very well |
| 22:26.36 | Zorkman | but a 7year old can not register on tkep's site :) |
| 22:26.41 | linuxxr | olugged in an charge light on mine |
| 22:26.46 | Zorkman | ah damn, that what was you were talking about :) |
| 22:26.48 | Arcnet | rooly: Take a look at the wiki: |
| 22:26.49 | Arcnet | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards |
| 22:27.08 | Infoport | tkep interesting site...I will certainly use it if it draws some helpful answers. Still, you should add to the wiki if you have answers to questions |
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| 22:27.16 | linuxxr | john which operating sys u got? |
| 22:27.20 | Arcnet | sandisk 8 gb seems to work |
| 22:27.24 | tkep | Infoport, i'm already editing |
| 22:27.26 | tkep | :) |
| 22:27.37 | rooly|away | already looked Arcnet |
| 22:27.41 | Infoport | :thumbup: |
| 22:27.48 | linuxxr | maybe stuff wont dissapear there |
| 22:27.50 | SUNWjoejaxx | Infoport: where you the one that was buying the stylus and gps antenna for your freerunner? |
| 22:27.50 | tkep | Infoport, I plan on making this a place that basically is a staging point for the wiki |
| 22:28.15 | tkep | someone offers good advice, it works, then it goes into the wiki |
| 22:28.20 | SUNWjoejaxx | s/where/were/ |
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| 22:28.27 | Sargun | When are the 404s for ASU opkg going to be fixed? |
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| 22:28.44 | rwhitby | Sargun: see zecke's email for temporary feeds |
| 22:29.08 | Sargun | link in Archive? |
| 22:29.21 | rwhitby | at the end of the asu wiki page |
| 22:29.26 | rooly|away | Sargun probably never |
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| 22:30.05 | Infoport | tkep: cool! as you as you add back to the community, your site can only be helpful!! |
| 22:30.09 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd2f6d0fbd3da 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [tasks-openmoko-asu] Split out connman and gtk+ to save for gta01 |
| 22:30.11 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd2ff2d4cd486 10/packages/tasks/ (4 files): [tasks] Set PACKAGE_ARCH so it has an effect |
| 22:30.17 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb92136b4e8af 10/packages/tasks/ (3 files): [tasks] Remove ALLOW_EMPTY=1 as task.bbclass is already setting that |
| 22:30.40 | tkep | Infoport, yeah, i decided that the wiki at openmoko.org was actually getting good since om2008 |
| 22:30.55 | Infoport | SUNWjoejaxx: yes I bought a gps from dealextreme, and they had a stylus that looked like ours (although I didnt buy it too) |
| 22:31.00 | tkep | so i decided to back off of the original idea and am going to base this solely around community ideas |
| 22:31.01 | tkep | :) |
| 22:31.09 | SUNWjoejaxx | Infoport: ah ok |
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| 22:31.52 | Infoport | SUNWjoejaxx: here is the gps for $8.31 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8859 and here is the stylus http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.849 |
| 22:32.22 | SUNWjoejaxx | Infoport: thank you for those links again |
| 22:32.31 | tkep | alright fellas, i'm off to dinner |
| 22:32.34 | tkep | i'll be back shortly. |
| 22:32.38 | Infoport | SUNWjoejaxx: np! |
| 22:32.59 | Zorkman | bye |
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| 22:33.35 | cga | mmmmmm 20080813 is nice but it doesn't activate gsm by default and i can't find any option to do it in the gui |
| 22:33.52 | cga | at least 2007.2 has a gsm panel icon |
| 22:34.06 | Zorkman | i like the fact that the keyboard is allright default |
| 22:34.16 | edistar | Zorkman: which keyboard? |
| 22:34.21 | Infoport | ok, off to eat and take my VW to club meet (beautiful 67 Karmann Ghia!) |
| 22:34.22 | cga | beside, asu doesn't ask for pin gh |
| 22:34.48 | Zorkman | it has them both: the qtopia keyboard and the full querty, you can easely toglle between them |
| 22:36.13 | edistar | Zorkman: which image? |
| 22:36.47 | Zorkman | 2008.08.13 |
| 22:36.55 | edistar | okey, thanks |
| 22:36.58 | Zorkman | dayly build from buildhost openmoko-qtopia thingy |
| 22:37.01 | edistar | ASU/qtopia-x11? |
| 22:37.04 | Zorkman | jup |
| 22:37.48 | edistar | thanks |
| 22:38.36 | cga | nite all |
| 22:41.40 | ZzzZzzZorkman | don't let the bad bugs bite |
| 22:42.41 | rooly|away | so |
| 22:42.43 | rooly|away | this is neat |
| 22:42.50 | rooly|away | i just found that pidgin has a facebook plugin |
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| 22:51.12 | Arcnet | only 30 minutes before I have to go to bed because my battery is empty *can't stop... must... have... gps* |
| 22:53.00 | peter__b | <Arcnet> hihi |
| 22:53.14 | peter__b | this phone interferes with my real life too :-) |
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| 22:57.40 | Arcnet | I just unplugged the antenna connector again and looked at it and having only my eyes as a tool it seems to be fine... |
| 22:57.47 | Arcnet | Are there any known antenna issues? |
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| 22:58.37 | Arcnet | (the soldering on the backside of the antenna one can see without opening the moko completly doesn't look to nice :-/) |
| 22:59.26 | rooly|away | well, there's the sd bus interference |
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| 23:02.29 | Pyrasi | has anyone started using the dev repos for 2008.8? |
| 23:03.27 | Tig| | Arcnet: with a recent kernel (ASU or FSO (not sure on 2007.2 images at the moment)) GPS will get a fix given good conditions (ie able to see a good chunk of sky etc) |
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| 23:04.43 | Arcnet | I've got a recent kernel and no SD card inserted ;) |
| 23:05.15 | *** part/#openmoko computerNERDie (n=Tom@ip51cc56a4.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) |
| 23:05.51 | Tig| | Arcnet: stupid questions and all that but you have got gpsd installed etc/ |
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| 23:06.59 | Arcnet | yes, it is set up |
| 23:07.04 | Arcnet | agps is set up as well ;) |
| 23:07.05 | Arcnet | http://gpsd.rellim.com/index.php?host=92.226.136.96&port=2947 |
| 23:08.13 | Arcnet | I think I'll write something on the support mailing list |
| 23:08.27 | Tig| | probably a good idea |
| 23:09.23 | Pyrasi | anyone using the dev repos for ASU? |
| 23:09.51 | Tig| | Pyrasi: erm you don't mean the daily builds one do you? |
| 23:10.13 | Pyrasi | no |
| 23:10.27 | Pyrasi | the repos that were mentioned on the mailing list |
| 23:10.32 | Tig| | is relieved :) |
| 23:11.39 | Pyrasi | ? |
| 23:14.22 | Tig| | Pyrasi: sorry in answer to your questions: I am relieved that you are not trying to update off the buildhost for ASU updates as that *will not work*(tm), secondly I am not using the dev repos posted on the mailing list either so I can't help. Sorry :( |
| 23:16.52 | Pyrasi | k. No problem. I was just wondering if anyone had a recommendation on whether to use the dev or testing feeds |
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| 23:20.02 | trix | who here is using FSO as a daily phone? |
| 23:20.32 | cjb | me |
| 23:20.45 | Tig| | trix not daily but secondary as I keep messing with it |
| 23:21.06 | cjb | the lack of SMS notifications (and of being told what time an SMS came in) makes it hard, though |
| 23:21.27 | Tig| | cjb: ah are you on milestone 2 ? |
| 23:21.50 | cjb | yes |
| 23:22.21 | trix | i installed a 12-Aug build of FSO but it won't make or receive calls |
| 23:22.33 | Tig| | cjb: so it isn't just me then :) I did not want to put a bug report in if it was me that had broken it :) |
| 23:23.01 | Tig| | trix: I seem to recall that the 12/8 build of FSO does not work very well |
| 23:23.13 | Tig| | it was posted on one of the lists |
| 23:23.29 | trix | ahh, thanks tig. did you find a way to import your contacts in FSO? |
| 23:24.08 | SirBob1701 | you all see the temporary testing repos? |
| 23:24.08 | Tig| | trix: I gave up trying to put contacts on my freerunner a while ago seeing as I am constently breaking it |
| 23:25.43 | trix | Tig, i feel the same way.. but i did get my contacts in order in a Vcard file before i began..the trouble is, i've only been able to do vcard imports on OM 2007 & 2008. too many to enter by hand without having some way to backup/restore on the other distros |
| 23:28.40 | trix | i'm starting to feel like if i spend much more time trying to make openmoko work for me, before i know it i'll have an al qaeda beard and be holding a cardboard sign on the street that says "homeless, jobless, phoneless distro testing veteran please help" |
| 23:28.49 | trix | smirks |
| 23:29.24 | rooly|away | almost feels the same way |
| 23:29.25 | Tig| | trix: :) :) :) I know that feeling :) |
| 23:30.41 | trix | calls up sean moss-pultz on the bananaphone |
| 23:30.47 | trix | cheers guys |
| 23:30.56 | Tig| | I have been trying to bodge something that works based on the fso and basic functionality but I think I am going to have to bite the bullet and set up a buildhost :( |
| 23:31.21 | trix | yeah..all roads seem to lead there don't they |
| 23:31.30 | Tig| | yeah :( |
| 23:32.46 | Tig| | have server, lack place to put it atm :) |
| 23:33.54 | trix | i was trying to do that on my fedora core 3 box last night and failed miserably. i look forward to running a more recent distro on my dev box but, and i say this now, i'm not going to flatten everything i have on there simply to grind more teeth :) |
| 23:34.47 | Tig| | trix: nuking everything gets a touch wearing |
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| 23:36.26 | trix | yeah :x |
| 23:38.13 | trix | goes off to watercolor bunnies and butterflies in a brilliant green valley of fulfilled dreams while enjoying the silence of calls being sent straight to voicemail |
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| 23:56.27 | rooly|away | yeah |
| 23:56.33 | rooly|away | i'm fed up with 08.08 |
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| 23:58.59 | Pyrasi | why? |
| 23:59.05 | rooly|away | well |
| 23:59.06 | rooly|away | it's slow |
| 23:59.09 | rooly|away | battery life sucks |
| 23:59.14 | rooly|away | the launcher is annoying |
| 23:59.20 | rooly|away | it doesn't come with a terminal by default |
