| 00:00.00 | zash | loads, and iduno |
| 00:00.19 | mjr | bitlbee I guess ;) |
| 00:00.37 | spdr_ | how about irc/icq/msn ? :0 |
| 00:00.38 | zash | ncurses based should probably run |
| 00:00.59 | spdr_ | oh, included |
| 00:01.27 | zash | spdr_: built into my jabber server/pyicqt/pymsnt |
| 00:01.28 | zash | :D |
| 00:01.45 | zash | but, center(icq|whatever it renamed to) |
| 00:02.19 | zash | and the libpurple-textmode client |
| 00:02.28 | zash | and mcabber |
| 00:03.06 | DaveLab | Damn, I guess it really does take a long time to build the entire OM tree from source :P |
| 00:03.36 | zash | imagine doing it .. on your freerunner |
| 00:03.47 | DaveLab | I can! :D |
| 00:03.51 | DaveLab | is sick like that. |
| 00:04.14 | zash | The day when you can recompile your kernel on the bus is comming! |
| 00:05.06 | weatherhead | where are you getting the bus from/to... antiga to norway? |
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| 00:20.33 | rooly|away | soooo |
| 00:23.52 | ieatlint | mmmm... unhealthy fried chicken |
| 00:24.23 | rooly|away | okay |
| 00:24.27 | rooly|away | this is definitely not gumbo |
| 00:24.33 | DaveLab | hey ruly :P |
| 00:24.38 | rooly|away | hey dave |
| 00:24.53 | DaveLab | ieatlint: gimme summa dat kfc, nigga :p |
| 00:24.53 | rooly|away | DaveLab: where do you live |
| 00:25.02 | ieatlint | is gumo like a gumby/dumbo hybrid? |
| 00:25.03 | DaveLab | Daveland |
| 00:25.20 | rooly|away | nope |
| 00:25.22 | DaveLab | sounds like a popular cajun dish |
| 00:25.24 | DaveLab | ;P |
| 00:25.30 | ieatlint | DaveLab: go get me some waffles and we'll talk |
| 00:25.36 | DaveLab | for people with dentures |
| 00:25.41 | DaveLab | ieatlint: deal! |
| 00:25.47 | DaveLab | I make some pretty bangin' waffles |
| 00:25.48 | rooly|away | it's a popular cajun dish |
| 00:26.00 | rooly|away | but |
| 00:26.01 | rooly|away | this |
| 00:26.02 | DaveLab | and some pretty bitchin' pancakes |
| 00:26.03 | rooly|away | is not gumbo |
| 00:26.07 | DaveLab | hha |
| 00:26.09 | DaveLab | clearly not |
| 00:26.19 | ieatlint | perhaps it's just gumby |
| 00:26.29 | ieatlint | kicking those commie bastard block heads' asses |
| 00:26.47 | rooly|away | cambells "chicken gumbo" |
| 00:26.50 | rooly|away | is not gumbo |
| 00:27.06 | ieatlint | you just named the city i'm in right now |
| 00:27.20 | rooly|away | should know...i live in the city that has the annual gumbo cookoff |
| 00:27.35 | rooly|away | best gumbo in the world competes there |
| 00:28.10 | rooly|away | this stuff is tomato soup with chicken and rice and water... |
| 00:28.12 | ieatlint | yes, we all think colorado when we think gumbo |
| 00:28.22 | rooly|away | lives in louisiana |
| 00:28.29 | rooly|away | i'm only working in colorado right now |
| 00:28.35 | ieatlint | oh |
| 00:28.44 | ieatlint | well then :P |
| 00:29.11 | DaveLab | back in da BAYOU |
| 00:29.34 | rooly|away | so, note to any of you, if you want to taste real gumbo, find somebody from louisiana, south of I-10, west of the Mississippi, and older than 40 |
| 00:29.44 | rooly|away | who can cook gumbo |
| 00:29.44 | DaveLab | rooly, we don't have any of that redneck shit in NYC :P |
| 00:29.46 | ieatlint | do you have one of those accents that only people from the south can comprehend? |
| 00:29.55 | DaveLab | ieatlint :D |
| 00:29.55 | rooly|away | according to most people i speak to, no |
| 00:29.57 | rooly|away | oddly |
| 00:30.02 | DaveLab | oddly? |
| 00:30.05 | DaveLab | CONFESS! |
| 00:30.13 | rooly|away | thinks he has one, but everyone else says i don't |
| 00:30.24 | ieatlint | are most people you speak to in the south? |
| 00:30.34 | rooly|away | not southerners |
| 00:30.35 | DaveLab | hahahaha |
| 00:30.37 | DaveLab | yeah |
| 00:30.40 | DaveLab | lint :P |
| 00:30.42 | rooly|away | i mean most people i speak to not from the south |
| 00:30.55 | ieatlint | :P |
| 00:31.16 | ieatlint | i'm from california, where we've no accent... just a dialect |
| 00:31.41 | rooly|away | ...i've only met one californian who's company i enjoyed |
| 00:32.01 | ieatlint | ah, must've met too many californians from socal.. |
| 00:32.12 | rooly|away | quite possibly |
| 00:32.21 | rooly|away | there's a big acting rush going on in my hometown area |
| 00:32.41 | rooly|away | so...lots of californians |
| 00:33.05 | ieatlint | as long as you're not a homophobe and hate bush (which doesn't mean you have to be a democrat), you probably would like norcal |
| 00:34.35 | ieatlint | we have wine, mountains, temperate weather, no concept of the word humidity, and an abundance of geeks (and women who like geeks) |
| 00:34.38 | rooly|away | meh, i don't enjoy the company of the more "flagrant" homo's, and i don't like big-government/big-spending aka no democrats or bush |
| 00:35.52 | dingman | wine, mountains, weather... |
| 00:35.59 | dingman | I'll bring my own woman ;) |
| 00:35.59 | rooly|away | in louisiana... |
| 00:36.15 | rooly|away | we have food, beer, parties, and perfectly predictable humid weather |
| 00:36.23 | rooly|away | can almost predict rainstorms to the hour |
| 00:36.35 | dingman | just need to find someone who'll multiply my sallary by enough that I can afford to live out there, and I'm game :) |
| 00:36.39 | ieatlint | it doesn't rain here |
| 00:36.42 | ieatlint | hasn't since march |
| 00:36.50 | ieatlint | and we have awesome beer here |
| 00:37.02 | ieatlint | perhaps the only beer style that is unique to the US has its home here |
| 00:37.16 | rooly|away | what, horse-piss? |
| 00:37.20 | ieatlint | (unless you count alcopops, light beer, non-alcoholic beer, and bud light lime) |
| 00:37.31 | ieatlint | steam beer, aka california common |
| 00:38.01 | rooly|away | oic |
| 00:38.16 | rooly|away | you can have your beer, i'll happily take my "best food in the world" |
| 00:38.25 | rooly|away | and the home of tobasco |
| 00:38.34 | rooly|away | worked at the tobasco plant |
| 00:38.36 | ieatlint | you keep telling yourself that, but sf is widely regarded as a culinary mecca :P |
| 00:38.46 | dingman | rooly|away, I'll grant you best food in the world down there, but I can visit a couple times a year for that. |
| 00:39.15 | dingman | anyone else getting more than the usual number of 404s from opkg update? |
| 00:39.32 | rooly|away | i'm not getting any more package upgrades... |
| 00:39.36 | rooly|away | sighs |
| 00:39.39 | rooly|away | my os is outdated |
| 00:39.43 | rooly|away | where is PIM data stored? |
| 00:39.48 | rooly|away | in the home directory? |
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| 00:41.19 | rooly|away | dingman: it's up to you if you want to use all that gas |
| 00:41.37 | dingman | rooly|away, with my job, I'm using all that gas anyway. |
| 00:41.45 | rooly|away | ic |
| 00:41.51 | rooly|away | back to the gumbo bit, |
| 00:41.59 | rooly|away | if your gumbo is made with tomatoes, it's not gumbo |
| 00:42.29 | rooly|away | same goes for any "cajun" dish |
| 00:42.52 | dingman | If your gumbo is gumbo, it's not vegetarian, and therefore fails the first test. |
| 00:43.12 | rooly|away | what about okra gumbo? |
| 00:43.20 | rooly|away | loves hiim some goood okra gumbo |
| 00:44.50 | dingman | but man, I've never had such good results telling the waiter "there's nothing vegetarian on your menu, so just have the chef make something up that's vegetarian" as I did in New Orleans |
| 00:45.13 | rooly|away | hahahahaa |
| 00:45.18 | rooly|away | i should try that |
| 00:45.31 | dingman | Most places, that is an *idiotic* order. |
| 00:45.45 | zash | what about furgel |
| 00:45.45 | rooly|away | it's something that's only doable in louisiana |
| 00:45.46 | dingman | I had to be talked into it the first couple times down there. |
| 00:45.57 | rooly|away | especially if the cooks are black |
| 00:46.19 | hipitihop | I want to setup 2008.8 on my SD and have so far got some conflicting info regarding how to setup the SD. I do have an up to date uboot. should I setup as fat + ext2 or just one ext3 or ?? |
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| 00:48.31 | rooly|away | i love being from louisiana |
| 00:48.41 | rooly|away | cause when i go everywhere else during the summer, it's nice and cold |
| 00:48.47 | wyze | wtf |
| 00:48.52 | wyze | ahhh |
| 00:48.53 | wyze | nm |
| 00:48.56 | wyze | lol |
| 00:49.07 | rooly|away | wyze: do you think 98F is hot? |
| 00:49.15 | wyze | i misread that |
| 00:50.11 | ljp | heh ya, come to Queensland in the summer down here, it'll be much warmer than louisiana |
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| 00:50.11 | mib_mz3btwc7 | hai |
| 00:50.11 | rooly|away | shrugs, i dunno |
| 00:50.11 | hipitihop | I second ljp |
| 00:50.11 | rooly|away | 110 with 98% humidity... |
| 00:50.28 | rooly|away | and it wasn't raining |
| 00:50.29 | ljp | normal |
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| 00:50.45 | rooly|away | than i shall concede to you, sir |
| 00:50.53 | DaveLab | en garde! |
| 00:50.59 | rooly|away | *then for you goddam grammar nazis |
| 00:51.06 | ljp | 43C is not unhead of |
| 00:51.33 | zash | OVER 9000 °C |
| 00:51.34 | rooly|away | lets see, double...add 30...115-ish? |
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| 00:51.37 | Sargun_screen | 43 C is hot. |
| 00:51.40 | ljp | plus, when it rains... it buckets |
| 00:51.55 | rooly|away | what about winter? |
| 00:52.16 | ieatlint | i live in scary place where it's about 17c all year around |
| 00:52.19 | ljp | today is going to be about 20c. and its been cold. barely gets down to 4c |
| 00:52.21 | ieatlint | really hot.. |
| 00:52.45 | ljp | but the top end is different |
| 00:53.11 | rooly|away | you could make a random number generator off of the louisiana winter temp measurements |
| 00:54.02 | rooly|away | i've gone for weeks at a time where it's cycled in a day from 38F to 90F and back again |
| 00:54.04 | rooly|away | quite fun |
| 00:54.13 | rooly|away | with 98% humidity |
| 00:54.21 | rooly|away | don't forget that constant |
| 00:54.39 | rooly|away | and there's always a north wind in the winter, making it freezing colde at 40 |
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| 00:55.33 | rooly|away | anyway, enough about me |
| 00:55.37 | rooly|away | more about the NEO |
| 00:55.38 | ljp | bah! thats for nothing on Fairbanks |
| 00:55.54 | ljp | thats got, that is :) |
| 00:57.41 | abescully | why are the modules in the modules-2.6.24+*.tgz so big compared to the modules contained in the rootfs? |
| 00:57.55 | hipitihop | can someone please give me a definitive as to how an SD should be partitioned/formatted to install and uboot a 2008.8 stack ? |
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| 00:59.56 | torindel | hipitihop: if its new uboot one ext partition will be fine |
| 01:00.20 | torindel | if its stock uboot you need fat partition for kernel |
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| 01:01.19 | hipitihop | torindel, I have an updated uboot, so you are saying create one ext3 partion on sd ? |
| 01:01.42 | torindel | get ext2 |
| 01:01.51 | torindel | as it wont have journall |
| 01:02.05 | wyze | do noatime also |
| 01:02.38 | hipitihop | torindel, ok but don't I have to fluff with the uboot menu ? |
| 01:02.51 | torindel | hipitihop: yep you have |
| 01:03.31 | torindel | just get some terminal/modem program and connect with it via usb while in uboot |
| 01:03.34 | hipitihop | torindel, is that the only way ? I was hoping to avoid all the setenv stuff, still a noob |
| 01:04.04 | torindel | well if you're afraid you brake something you can always backup your current settings |
| 01:04.30 | torindel | hipitihop: dfu-util -a u-boot_env -R -U good-u-boot_env.bin |
| 01:04.38 | torindel | to save your current env |
| 01:04.58 | DaveLab | ieatmint |
| 01:05.21 | torindel | hipitihop: dfu-util -a u-boot_env -R -D good-u-boot_env.bin <- to write it back when you broke it |
| 01:05.43 | torindel | (you just use nor uboot for that) |
| 01:06.21 | hipitihop | torindel, thanks will do, not so much about breaking, just the wiki instructions seem a little involved but I'll have a go. |
| 01:07.02 | hipitihop | torindel, they (wiki) talks about FAT+ext3 or FAT+ext2 or ext2+ext2 so I'm somewhat puzzled. |
| 01:07.24 | torindel | just setup ext2 + nothing ;] |
| 01:08.35 | torindel | hipitihop: just look at printenv |
| 01:09.09 | hipitihop | torindel, so with one ext2 I don't need the .bin only the rootfs untared ? or both ? |
| 01:09.27 | torindel | and add second entry exacly like that but useing ext2load on first partition and specifiing first partition as root |
| 01:10.07 | torindel | normally only rootfs as most of them have kernels anyway |
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| 01:10.21 | torindel | just set it up to look for kernel in /boot instead of / |
| 01:10.58 | hipitihop | torindel, I think I follow, I guess it will make more sense as I go through the steps. thanks |
| 01:11.14 | hipitihop | crosses his noob fingers |
| 01:11.22 | torindel | hipitihop: just look at printenv when you connect to uboot |
| 01:11.34 | torindel | and add simmilar entry with ext2load |
| 01:11.50 | torindel | changeing all partition numbers to first |
| 01:12.50 | hipitihop | if I have existing SD setup with 8mg fat + ext2 can I just ingore the fat and go with what I already have on the ext2 ? (rootfs) |
| 01:13.13 | torindel | yep |
| 01:13.24 | torindel | just specify second partition then |
| 01:13.39 | hipitihop | not that I mind starting over but seems like redundant copying about |
| 01:13.54 | torindel | e.g. ext2load mmc 2 blablabla |
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| 01:21.21 | Pyrasi | does anyone know why the daily builds of 2008.8 on buildhost.openmoko.org have a flower wallpaper and no installer? |
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| 01:21.50 | Pyrasi | am i grabbing the wrong image? |
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| 01:33.02 | rwhitby | Pyrasi: buildhost does not contain 2008.08 |
| 01:33.42 | rwhitby | XorA|gone, roh: Please get someone to remove all qtopia-x11 images from buildhost until buildhost is able to build them from the correct branch |
| 01:34.04 | rwhitby | There is enough confusion about images without Openmoko itself adding to the confusion! |
| 01:34.46 | linuxxr | thats crazy u know it seems almost on purpose |
| 01:34.56 | Pyrasi | oh...so what did I just get? Cause it seems to be more functional than 2008.8.... |
| 01:35.11 | linuxxr | 20080808 |
| 01:35.23 | linuxxr | 20080811? |
| 01:35.46 | linuxxr | the flower is fso i thought |
| 01:35.55 | ljp | wow. thats confusing |
| 01:36.24 | Pyrasi | yea...i mean thats what i downloaded....20080811...but is it just supposed to be the old ASU builds (prior to the 2008.8 release)? |
| 01:36.24 | ljp | adds to the confision by starting a qtopia-x11 without efl :) |
| 01:36.25 | linuxxr | has zhone an a working gps |
| 01:36.49 | Pyrasi | this does not have zhone....so im assuming it is not FSO |
| 01:36.54 | tunys | what the fuck? |
| 01:36.55 | linuxxr | ok |
| 01:37.07 | tunys | What cheannel is this? |
| 01:37.12 | linuxxr | time to merge |
| 01:37.23 | linuxxr | lol |
| 01:37.32 | linuxxr | lots o losers |
| 01:37.58 | Pyrasi | okay...well im gonna try this strange build that no one knows what it is out....cause it looks pretty functional |
| 01:38.10 | Pyrasi | and has daily updates |
| 01:38.17 | Pyrasi | which is more than i can say for 2008.8 |
| 01:38.25 | linuxxr | is the daily build of 2008.8 working the phone yet? |
| 01:38.32 | balrog-k1n | ljp: you need a three-letter acronym for it to start anything |
| 01:38.45 | ljp | qtx |
| 01:38.48 | DaveLab | bbq |
| 01:38.58 | ljp | wtf |
| 01:39.02 | linuxxr | OPM |
| 01:39.25 | linuxxr | OPMO |
| 01:39.30 | ljp | omg |
| 01:39.35 | rwhitby | Pyrasi: what you got is a daily build of the org.openmoko.dev branch, which is different from the org.openmoko.asu.* branches |
| 01:39.53 | linuxxr | mine had no terminal |
| 01:39.53 | Cthobs | That 08/11 build is running quite nicely, actually |
| 01:39.54 | rwhitby | effectively, you got a daily build of 2007.2 |
| 01:40.17 | linuxxr | cthobs the phone work well? |
| 01:40.21 | Cthobs | 2007.2 with an ASU interface? |
| 01:40.21 | rwhitby | but really, you got an abortion of a complete configuration management screwup |
| 01:40.55 | Pyrasi | oh yea? is there some reason i shouldnt be using it? |
| 01:40.58 | rwhitby | and the fact that Openmoko know about this, but continue to do nothing about it EVEN AFTER 2008.08 IS RELEASED is reprehensible. |
| 01:41.02 | Cthobs | Yeah, I loaded the Qtopia image from there dated today (I think). It goes into stand by, wakes on call, etc. Missing an installer and a term, but working well so far |
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| 01:41.26 | wyze | has his phone working with debian lenny :D |
| 01:41.33 | Pyrasi | yea...im with cthobs. AND the Settings program has a function wifi section! |
| 01:41.33 | rwhitby | Pyrasi: you can use anything you like, but don't expect it to have any relationship to the image called 2008.08 |
| 01:41.47 | Cthobs | Is the 2008.08 image better that that? |
| 01:42.04 | rwhitby | all images are better than others in some areas and worse in others. |
| 01:42.15 | rwhitby | it's a complete dog's breakfast |
| 01:42.26 | roh | rwhitby hum? why are that packages there? |
| 01:42.26 | ljp | ports S60 to neo for extra added confusion |
| 01:42.51 | rwhitby | roh: *please* remove all qtopia-x11 images from buildhost |
| 01:42.54 | roh | rwhitby thats indeed bad... hm.. somebody should propably open a bug about that for the distro team |
| 01:42.55 | Pyrasi | rwhitby: thanks for your answers. If you dont mind, could you explain the difference between 2008.8 and this? is this one the old ASU dev branch prior to 2008.8 or something? |
| 01:43.12 | piksi | in what stage is openmoko and FR related to "consumer friendly use" ? |
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| 01:43.15 | rwhitby | Pyrasi: this one is from the branch that built 2007.2 |
| 01:43.22 | roh | rwhitby not of much gain.. i dunno why the get built at all, so they would be just rebuilt |
| 01:43.35 | stevenSn | I had a daily build of that qtopia on my phone for a few days last week, now I have 2008.8, I find 2008.8 to be better than that image, the should pull them or replace them with a proper asu.dev image |
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| 01:44.03 | rwhitby | roh: yeah, whoever maintains the buildhost build script needs to stop them being built, and *then* all existing images should be removed |
| 01:44.20 | rwhitby | and a daily of org.openmoko.asu.testing should be built instead |
| 01:44.21 | piksi | i haven't followed the mailing list lately very carefully but all that wikipedia & openmoko.com say is that it's "intended for technically skilled consumers" |
| 01:44.38 | Pyrasi | is there a daily version of 2008.8 released? |
| 01:45.10 | rwhitby | roh: sorry for the strong language on this, but it's been going on for too long, with too many OM people knowing about it, and nothing being done about it. |
| 01:45.29 | Pyrasi | piksi: openmoko isnt quite ready for end users yet. Wait a couple months and the software will be more mature =) |
| 01:45.34 | linuxxr | bear down whitby |
| 01:46.16 | rwhitby | linuxxr: ? |
| 01:47.01 | linuxxr | put the pressure on em |
| 01:47.31 | linuxxr | they said they need us to tell them wat to do ... so tell them |
| 01:47.42 | Pyrasi | rwhitby: is there a daily version of 2008.8 i can download instead? |
| 01:47.55 | linuxxr | need better organization |
| 01:49.02 | rwhitby | Pyrasi: not that I know of |
| 01:49.14 | rwhitby | roh: I just raised https://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1502 |
| 01:50.04 | rooly|away | where does the FR store it's PIM? |
| 01:50.32 | rwhitby | and http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1809 for good measure |
| 01:51.41 | piksi | Pyrasi: does that mean i get an usable phone by christmas? ;-) |
| 01:52.46 | Pyrasi | piksi: God willing =). To tell you the truth....its close to a usable phone atm....but it takes alot of work to get it there....definately not good for an end user. So id say wait a couple months and check back =) |
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| 01:52.57 | roh | rwhitby thanks anyways... |
| 01:53.18 | roh | rwhitby should go into the other bugtracker i think, but still valid |
| 01:56.13 | rwhitby | roh: I put it in both, so no-one can say they didn't see it ;-) |
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| 01:56.45 | roh | https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1810 |
| 01:56.54 | rooly|away | i didn't catch an answer to my question |
| 01:56.57 | rooly|away | was otherwise occupied |
| 01:58.51 | rooly|away | slaps xhrit |
| 01:59.25 | roh | rwhitby i think the main problem is that people have the wrong feeds on the wrong branches builds installed. |
| 01:59.30 | roh | even by default propably |
| 02:00.18 | roh | as long as org.openmoko.dev org.openmoko.asu.dev and org.openmoko.asu.stable are not merged properly mixing feeds gives unreliable results anyways |
| 02:00.44 | rwhitby | roh: I think the real problem is that there is no clear direction that end-users should be testing *this* image with *these* feeds, since such a decision could easily be encoded into the images by the distro team. |
| 02:01.17 | roh | rwhitby ack. |
| 02:01.26 | roh | and also be documented |
| 02:01.48 | roh | i remember some 'is compatible with' flag which somebody wanted to add to opkg |
| 02:01.52 | rwhitby | Someone in authority in OM needs to say "Our daily builds should be done from the org.openmoko.asu.testing branch, should include only the qtopia-x11 images, and feeds should also be built from that branch using sane-srcrevs only" |
| 02:02.07 | roh | so feeds could be identified if compatible or not (with manual override of course) |
| 02:02.19 | rwhitby | Then that decision by that person should be properly rolled out to buildhost. |
| 02:02.29 | roh | rwhitby please add that to the ticket. |
| 02:03.01 | roh | in fact i think we should provide all trees as extra builds with extra feeds for now (till the branches get merged) |
| 02:03.05 | rwhitby | Done. |
| 02:03.42 | rwhitby | the only people running .dev should be people who know how to build .dev from source. everyone else should be part of the QA testing of .testing |
| 02:04.21 | rwhitby | daily images should never be created from .dev, only from .testing, and stuff on downloads should come from .stable only |
| 02:05.09 | dingman | rwhitby, that seems like a good idea. |
| 02:05.30 | rwhitby | dingman: I've run the nslu2-linux.org project that way for 4 years, and it works well. |
| 02:06.04 | roh | rwhitby i think so... xora is the buildhost/disto person |
| 02:06.57 | roh | rwhitby i can tell you that much that the devels are aware of 'its a mess' |
| 02:06.59 | rwhitby | yeah, but XorA|gone is not the decision maker - he's following orders from above on what to build and release on buildhost as far as I know. |
| 02:07.31 | roh | and we will clean it up.. its just diffcult to explain people who make decisions how building a working distro works |
| 02:07.49 | roh | but we had a discussion about that scheduled for monday afaik |
| 02:08.41 | roh | and we already know that 2008.9 should be a bugfix only release for 2008.8 (even when some of the devs would rather have named it 2008.8.1 but that wasnt explainable to management) |
| 02:09.05 | rwhitby | bbl (lunch) |
| 02:09.23 | rwhitby | roh: thx for listening. |
| 02:09.28 | dingman | Still, for what little it's worth, I'd appreciate a bit of clarity. I'll run anything from what I just patched myself to Debian Oldstable on the right system, but it's a lot easier when I know what the labels mean. |
| 02:10.04 | rooly|away | alright, seriously |
| 02:10.23 | rooly|away | the default keyboard for 2008.8 needs a backspace button |
| 02:11.09 | dingman | rooly|away, swipe left |
| 02:11.16 | rooly|away | orly |
| 02:11.24 | dingman | yep |
| 02:11.39 | rooly|away | sorry, that was my name typo'ed |
| 02:12.12 | dingman | ok |
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| 02:15.04 | Dave | hey roh :) |
| 02:16.57 | rooly|away | sweet! |
| 02:17.10 | rooly|away | is snickering at dingman for actually believing that |
| 02:17.39 | dingman | which - labels or the backspace ;) |
| 02:17.47 | dingman | I've seen both fail... |
| 02:18.21 | dingman | but I also run 'unstable' 'caus it seems to break les than 'testing' :) |
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| 02:20.36 | roh | food sounds good |
| 02:21.03 | summatusmentis | is there a usable finger keyboard? |
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| 02:28.22 | rooly|away | if your patient, summatusmentis |
| 02:28.49 | Dave | hehe, and have very small fingers :D |
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| 02:29.50 | rooly|away | agrees to a poing... |
| 02:29.54 | rooly|away | better keyboard is needed |
| 02:30.08 | genii | Is there someway to redo the uboot if you somehow (hypothetically) brick it? |
| 02:31.05 | dingman | genii, gta01 or gta02? |
| 02:31.29 | Dave | more raster is needed. |
| 02:31.42 | genii | dingman: Don't know. Say gta02 |
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| 02:31.58 | SpeedEvil | 02 you can't |
| 02:32.07 | SpeedEvil | without a debug board brick it. |
| 02:32.08 | genii | Hmm |
| 02:32.18 | dingman | gta02 has two uboots, so if you brick the one in NAND you can re-flash by booting into NOR |
| 02:32.19 | SpeedEvil | unless you try real hard. (flash it several thousand times) |
| 02:32.33 | SpeedEvil | In which case you'll need to always boot from NOR |
| 02:33.22 | genii | So I'll likely need a dboard then for this:? |
| 02:33.49 | Dave | if you completely fuck it up, sure :D |
| 02:34.05 | Dave | genii, either that or steal one from the 'lanteans ;) |
| 02:34.09 | dingman | genii, as I understand it, that's pretty hard to do to the gta02 |
| 02:34.35 | genii | Crap. The seller in my location doesn't carry the debug boards yet |
| 02:34.39 | mmontour | genii: you don't need a debug board. |
| 02:35.03 | summatusmentis | does anyone know where the ringer sounds are located? |
| 02:36.36 | dingman | /opt/Qtopia/etc/SystemRingTones/? |
| 02:37.20 | Dave | haha, kd8ikt, replacing the wav files in /usr/share/openmoko/sounds is fun too :) |
| 02:37.35 | Dave | :q |
| 02:38.25 | kd8ikt | ... |
| 02:38.44 | fragged | Are there any planned hardware revisions for the latest FR? |
| 02:39.09 | Dave | damn, why isn't my wireless working now :( |
| 02:39.17 | Dave | fragged, and then some! |
| 02:40.06 | raster | Dave: hahaha |
| 02:40.19 | raster | Dave: unfortunately raster-- end of the month |
| 02:40.48 | Dave | D: |
| 02:41.04 | Dave | heh |
| 02:41.18 | fragged | Dave, you mean by that, that there is gonna be plenty to come? |
| 02:41.45 | Dave | well there's already been much hardware revision |
| 02:41.47 | Dave | so I'd say, yes. |
| 02:42.29 | DocScrutinizer | hey dave :-) |
| 02:43.03 | genii | freerunner=gta02 neo=gta01 ? |
| 02:43.16 | dingman | genii, yes |
| 02:43.23 | DocScrutinizer | nope 1973=GTA01 |
| 02:43.36 | DocScrutinizer | Neo == GTA01/02 |
| 02:43.50 | genii | OK |
| 02:43.56 | DocScrutinizer | there's Neo 1973 and Neo FR |
| 02:44.03 | dingman | Yeah, yeah. His meaning was clear, even if my Freerunner says neo on the front. |
| 02:45.56 | genii | Can I boot it from the microSD? |
| 02:45.56 | DocScrutinizer | to make confusion even worse, there was a time where even FR was called 1973 internally. This is why there's such a mess in filenames and sources |
| 02:49.46 | linuxxr | genii can u hold the power button down then hold the aux button for 8-9 secs to see? |
| 02:50.10 | genii | OK |
| 02:50.50 | linuxxr | a smalkl menu? |
| 02:51.00 | genii | No some 17 error |
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| 02:51.40 | linuxxr | ok then try the au x down then the power button for sat 4 -6 seconds |
| 02:52.10 | linuxxr | a small menu? |
| 02:52.19 | genii | Nothing |
| 02:53.12 | linuxxr | predded the aux button an hold while pressing the power? |
| 02:53.22 | linuxxr | pressed* |
| 02:53.29 | genii | linuxxr: Yeah I tried it both ways. |
| 02:53.37 | linuxxr | ugly |
| 02:53.45 | linuxxr | good battery i guess |
| 02:54.05 | genii | Lemme check, I have a multimeter |
| 02:54.08 | genii | AFK |
| 02:54.49 | nomeata | Hi. Does someone know off-handed if the FSO milestone2 kernel is supposed to have the SD-Card/GPS-fix-fix included? |
| 02:56.00 | Sargun | Does someone have a serial log of this: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1682 |
| 02:56.14 | Sargun | I think I know what it might be. |
| 02:56.47 | genii | linuxxr: Theres some juice. Although 400 mA seems not enough |
| 02:57.10 | genii | Maybe the charger's screwed |
| 02:58.34 | linuxxr | got an old nokia that may use the same batt charge it with that |
| 02:59.04 | genii | linuxxr: OK. I'll give it a shot and check in later |
| 02:59.21 | genii | Thanks |
| 03:02.40 | hipitihop | I have a clean 2008.8 up and running off SD. Can someone please help me get over the line with resolv.conf as I can't seem to ping out over the usb0 but can see the gateway 192.168.0.200 |
| 03:03.06 | hipitihop | resolve.conf does have 'nameserver 192.168.0.200' |
| 03:03.31 | dingman | is 192.168.0.200 a name server? |
| 03:04.12 | hipitihop | dingman, not sure, standard Ubuntu desktop machine ... real nameserver is via router @ 192.168.0.1 |
| 03:04.26 | dingman | That probably means no. |
| 03:04.57 | dingman | Unless you're running Bind, dnsmasq, or something similar |
| 03:05.07 | dingman | but you'd probably know if you were |
| 03:06.00 | dingman | easiest way to check would be 'netstat -tuln | egrep :53' |
| 03:07.06 | dingman | if you've got masquerading set up right, you could just change the IP in /etc/resolv.conf to match what the desktop uses. |
| 03:07.08 | hipitihop | dingman, result 'udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5353 0.0.0.0:*' |
| 03:07.23 | dingman | yeah, that's not the right kind of nameserver |
| 03:08.27 | hipitihop | dingman, desktop resolv.conf = 'nameserver 192.168.0.1' and btw, desktop is 192.168.0.4 |
| 03:09.21 | dingman | that's going to be a problem... are you on the support@lists.openmokoorg list? |
| 03:10.50 | hipitihop | dingman, no. I managed to get FSO stack to work so I'm a little puzzled. |
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| 03:12.50 | dingman | It's not a problem with the phone, but you shouldn't be using the same IP range on both sides of a gateway |
| 03:12.51 | hipitihop | dingman, don't want to waste your time, is there a link on the wiki I have missed or should be using ? |
| 03:13.00 | dingman | in this case, the desktop is a gateway. |
| 03:13.34 | dingman | I think the wiki might have been enhanced after that thread, but it's really a TCP/IP question. |
| 03:14.17 | linuxxr | look on your machine an copy your nameserver address to that file on freerunner |
| 03:14.37 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.39 | linuxxr | maybe not |
| 03:14.52 | linuxxr | many |
| 03:15.05 | linuxxr | me included |
| 03:15.08 | dingman | linuxxr, hipitihop that's not going to be good enough if both the usb and lan on his desktop are using the same IP subnet |
| 03:15.47 | dingman | hipitihop, I'm not worried about the time. It just took a lot of words to explain. |
| 03:16.56 | hipitihop | reads http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking again |
| 03:18.32 | hipitihop | sees http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-August/001283.html is relevant to him |
| 03:19.32 | Sargun | Is OE down? |
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| 03:19.51 | dingman | hipitihop, yes, that's the thread I was after! |
| 03:20.13 | Pyrasi | =D |
| 03:21.06 | Pyrasi | I'm on my freerunner connected to wifi chatting on here! |
| 03:21.15 | dingman | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-August/001288.html |
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| 03:22.22 | dingman | Pyrasi, cool |
| 03:22.51 | Pyrasi | pidgin works pretty well |
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| 03:24.59 | wyze | irssi ftw |
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| 03:25.31 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0fb1e543db99 10/packages/openmoko-projects/openmoko-community-repository.bb: [openmoko-community-repository] Modify the URL |
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| 03:27.03 | gmaxwell | Do I have to do anything special with moko makefile to build gta02 images? |
| 03:29.10 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:55.58 | hipitihop | dingman, hmmm.. reconfigured FR to use 192.168.1.202 and 192.168.1.200 as gateway and same for desktop. Restarted networking on both and successfully ssh back into FR, but still can't get out. Do I need to restart iptables on the desktop too ? |
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| 04:11.27 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03tick * r4595 10/trunk/src/host/opkg-utils/opkg.py: [opkg-util] adding Size support when creating Packages |
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| 04:19.18 | hipitihop | dingman, still about ? |
| 04:21.22 | dingman | for a bit |
| 04:22.24 | hipitihop | dingman, I guess I'm just having basic TCP issue but I have switched neo to seperate sub-net and still no joy, what am I missing |
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| 04:23.06 | hipitihop | neo now on 192.168.1.202 ...desktop gateway is 192.168.1.200 ... rest of network is 192.168.0.x |
| 04:24.16 | rooly|away | netmask? |
| 04:24.20 | rooly|away | 255.255.255.248 |
| 04:25.14 | hipitihop | rooly|away, http://pastebin.com/m25724c42 |
| 04:26.13 | rooly|away | om2008.8? |
| 04:26.30 | rooly|away | oh, ok |
| 04:26.33 | rooly|away | i never got that to work |
| 04:26.33 | dingman | hipitihop, looks OK at first glance. |
| 04:26.34 | hipitihop | rooly|away, but still need to run 'sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.200 netmask 255.255.255.248' on desk to get ssh to fr |
| 04:26.45 | swc|666 | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 04:26.55 | swc|666 | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 04:26.55 | swc|666 | iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT |
| 04:26.55 | swc|666 | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -o eth3 -j MASQUERADE |
| 04:27.03 | swc|666 | change eth3 to ethx |
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| 04:27.04 | rooly|away | all under sudo, of course |
| 04:27.31 | hipitihop | rooly|away, yes to 2008.8 |
| 04:27.31 | rooly|away | hipitihop: did you ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.202 ? |
| 04:27.40 | rooly|away | on the phone |
| 04:27.52 | dingman | hipitihop, shouldn't ifup do the trick? |
| 04:28.17 | undrwater | can anyone here help me troubleshoot boot from SD? |
| 04:28.54 | undrwater | kernel boots OK...but rootfs does not init |
| 04:29.56 | dingman | undrwater, right after I get it to work for me... |
| 04:30.09 | undrwater | dingman: have you gotten kernel to boot? |
| 04:30.14 | dingman | yes |
| 04:30.25 | undrwater | so you're in the same boat as i am? |
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| 04:30.42 | hipitihop | rooly|away, dingman http://pastebin.com/m2f2f5c1c |
| 04:30.45 | dingman | stops with an error about opening the console |
| 04:31.18 | hipitihop | I cann ssh to FR but can only ping desktop i.e. 192.168.1.200 but not out to internet |
| 04:31.27 | undrwater | dingman: that's further than i get...i'm getting "no init found" kernel panic |
| 04:31.34 | rooly|away | you've got to do routing |
| 04:31.39 | rooly|away | on the phone |
| 04:31.46 | dingman | also, your netmasks mismatch... |
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| 04:31.54 | dingman | but yes, you neet a gateway line |
| 04:32.03 | rooly|away | route del default |
| 04:32.03 | rooly|away | route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 04:32.13 | swc|666 | netmask 255.255.255.0 ftw |
| 04:32.26 | hipitihop | rooly|away, on neo ? |
| 04:32.28 | dingman | can we please teach people to use 'ip' rather than 'ifconfig' and 'route'? |
| 04:32.29 | rooly|away | yes |
| 04:32.44 | dingman | ip can do stuff the older tools can't. |
| 04:32.53 | dingman | more importantly, it shows you stuff they don't |
| 04:32.56 | undrwater | is not aware of ip |
| 04:32.57 | rooly|away | can't the phone's networking toosl work automatically |
| 04:33.25 | dingman | rooly|away, other than possibly changing the 3rd octet, the phone's default set-up should be fine. |
| 04:33.36 | undrwater | is it part of busybox or other package? |
| 04:33.41 | rooly|away | should is not the same as is |
| 04:33.54 | dingman | on a full system it's a separate package... just a sec |
| 04:34.15 | dingman | on the neo it's in busybox. |
| 04:35.07 | dingman | ip addr add <address>/<masklength> dev <devicename> |
| 04:35.42 | dingman | ip route add <network>/<masklenth> via <router> |
| 04:35.42 | rooly|away | ok, it's bed time |
| 04:36.00 | hipitihop | rooly|away, 'route del default' was fine but 'route add default gw 192.168.0.1' failed with "route: SIOCADDRT: No such process" |
| 04:36.10 | undrwater | <masklength> is? same as <netmask>? |
| 04:36.22 | dingman | not exactly |
| 04:36.46 | dingman | An IP or netmask has 32 bits |
| 04:37.07 | dingman | in a netmask, all of them from the left are 1 up to a point where they switch to 0 |
| 04:37.26 | undrwater | so typically 24? |
| 04:37.32 | dingman | EG, 255.255.255.0 => binary 11111111 11111111 11111111 00000000 |
| 04:37.37 | dingman | 24, yes |
| 04:37.45 | dingman | the Neo uses a /26 |
| 04:37.52 | undrwater | for usb |
| 04:38.00 | dingman | yes |
| 04:38.07 | zash | ipcalc! |
| 04:38.21 | dingman | :) |
| 04:38.29 | undrwater | coolio |
| 04:38.41 | undrwater | one tool to rule them all |
| 04:38.48 | dingman | same info, more compact way to write it |
| 04:39.24 | zash | why 26 btw? if anyone knows that |
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| 04:39.54 | dingman | I assume they wanted to pick something small to make it more likely home users could easily partition their networks. |
| 04:40.17 | zash | then why not /30 |
| 04:40.28 | dingman | Beats me |
| 04:40.30 | undrwater | speaking of partitions...how did you partition your SD dingman? |
| 04:40.45 | zash | eg, 2 hosts + network + broadcast |
| 04:41.15 | hipitihop | dingman, sorry but where to now ? trying to add the default route failed. Should I be using some other approach ? |
| 04:41.35 | dingman | undrwater, 179 0 495488 mmcblk0/ 179 1 8032 mmcblk0p1/ 179 2 487368 mmcblk0p2 |
| 04:41.44 | dingman | on which device? |
| 04:42.09 | dingman | what does 'ip route' show on each? |
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| 04:43.06 | hipitihop | neo says 192.168.1.0/24 dev usb0 src 192.168.1.202 |
| 04:43.34 | dingman | no other lines? |
| 04:43.46 | hipitihop | not on neo |
| 04:43.55 | undrwater | dingman: i don't see filesystem there... |
| 04:44.22 | dingman | hipitihop, ip route add default via 192.168.1.200 |
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| 04:44.34 | dingman | undrwater, partition info from my SD. |
| 04:44.53 | dingman | 8Mb on partition 1, the rest in partition 2 |
| 04:45.14 | undrwater | dingman: but fat? ext2? |
| 04:45.16 | dingman | partition 1 is a fat32 with uImage.bin |
| 04:45.20 | undrwater | ok |
| 04:45.23 | dingman | 2 is ext2 |
| 04:45.30 | doc|home | so, is ASU worth using, looks like it has some pretty nasty bugs |
| 04:45.31 | undrwater | right...hmm...same here |
| 04:45.32 | doc|home | ? |
| 04:45.37 | doc|home | mmontour: thanks again |
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| 04:47.01 | dingman | doc|home, I've been using it for phonecalls and receiving SMS today. Can't seem to send 'cause the send button won't click :/ |
| 04:47.58 | hipitihop | dignman ok new ip route shows: 192.168.1.0/24 dev usb0 src 192.168.1.202 and default via 192.168.1.200 dev usb0 |
| 04:47.58 | mmontour | doc|home: np - did you get that Qtopia PIN thing working? |
| 04:48.17 | doc|home | mmontour: nope, going to just reflash it. was looking at asu but the wiki page is kinda scaring me off |
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| 04:48.26 | dingman | hipitihop, can you ping anything now? |
| 04:48.39 | hipitihop | dingman, only the desktop still |
| 04:49.01 | hipitihop | dingman, should I pastebin desktop ip route ? |
| 04:49.26 | dingman | Pastebin me that plus 'iptables -t nat -vnL' and 'iptables -vnL' |
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| 04:50.05 | ulix | hello people |
| 04:50.05 | dingman | yes, just the desktop at this point. |
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| 04:50.47 | hipitihop | dingman, neo side or both |
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| 04:51.32 | dingman | hipitihop, all the routing tables and iptables rules from the filter and nat tables |
| 04:51.50 | dingman | and mangle if you've touched it, but if you have just clear that table. |
| 04:51.56 | ulix | hey could some one remindme how to make tangps to remember the location of the maps in the sd_card |
| 04:52.09 | ulix | please |
| 04:53.37 | dingman | ulix, would if I could |
| 04:53.50 | ulix | jejeje |
| 04:53.51 | ulix | ok |
| 04:54.16 | ulix | i tough the gurus gere in here |
| 04:54.38 | dingman | ulix, often they are |
| 04:54.58 | dingman | seems like they might be busy making things better or something |
| 04:55.31 | undrwater | drinking beer? |
| 04:55.38 | undrwater | free beer? |
| 04:55.42 | ulix | lest hope for it, but the last thing they made was the om2008 based on Qtopia |
| 04:55.59 | ulix | and it dont really work well |
| 04:56.12 | ulix | i'm stiking to Om2007.2 |
| 04:56.31 | dingman | 2007.2 had an SMS bug I couldn't live with. |
| 04:56.34 | hipitihop | dingman, ok http://pastebin.com/m30ed5c47 |
| 04:57.52 | ulix | I have noticed but at least i can make call |
| 04:57.54 | ulix | s |
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| 04:58.43 | ulix | i dont know if is just mee or all the phone but the Qtopia base images are just to heavy |
| 04:58.58 | dingman | POSTROUTING nat rule has the wrong source ip range - doesn't match your new network. |
| 04:59.29 | hipitihop | dingman, line number ? |
| 04:59.40 | dingman | 25 |
| 04:59.59 | dingman | also, two default routes on the same machine is always bad. |
| 05:00.10 | dingman | kill the one on line 17 |
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| 05:00.24 | aggtrfrad | whereis the flash mem in /dev? |
| 05:00.52 | dingman | /dev/mmcblk* |
| 05:01.05 | dingman | er. mtdblock* |
| 05:01.13 | dingman | first one was SD card |
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| 05:02.07 | aggtrfrad | yeah tnx |
| 05:03.00 | ulix | well seya folks |
| 05:03.08 | dingman | no problem. I asked the same question a few nights ago :) |
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| 05:04.33 | hipitihop | dingman, what should the POSTROUTING lines be ? |
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| 05:05.30 | dingman | well, the command to get it would be "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.192/26 -j MASQUERADE" |
| 05:05.40 | dingman | And get rid of the one that's there. |
| 05:06.41 | dingman | if you leave them both in place, you'll confuse the heck out of everything. |
| 05:07.49 | hipitihop | sorry, lines 6 and 9 in pastebin are from my desktop /etc/network/interfaces so can't I just change there ? sorry to be a TCP noob |
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| 05:08.45 | dingman | six and nine are correct |
| 05:09.00 | dingman | so you probably just need to kill the stupid existing rule |
| 05:09.20 | dingman | try 'iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING 1' |
| 05:10.04 | zash | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $INT -j MASQUERADE |
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| 05:10.31 | zash | where $INT is interface |
| 05:10.47 | zash | http://p.zash.se/EeR_hA.txt |
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| 05:12.08 | zash | note that that script is a pos |
| 05:12.33 | hipitihop | zash, $INT is USB0 ? |
| 05:12.36 | dingman | zash, yeah, that rule would work, too. |
| 05:12.49 | dingman | hipitihop, no |
| 05:13.17 | hipitihop | notes he has to make time to study networking and iptables in more depth |
| 05:13.21 | dingman | the reason I didn't use that method is that I don't know your outbound interface |
| 05:13.28 | dingman | it's probably eth0 or wlan0 |
| 05:13.58 | hipitihop | dingman, my outbound interfaace is eth1 I believe which is my wireless connection |
| 05:14.05 | dingman | or that |
| 05:14.29 | dingman | see why I matched based on the neo source instead :) |
| 05:14.51 | doc|home | anyone using qtopia that can tell me how to switch off pin lock? even a reflash didn't remove it |
| 05:15.05 | doc|home | it's not accepting my pin |
| 05:15.31 | dingman | isn't that a SIM setting? |
| 05:15.42 | zash | yes, it is |
| 05:16.14 | dingman | so surviving reflash is expected |
| 05:16.18 | zash | dingman: echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 05:16.51 | dingman | zash: mine works fine. |
| 05:16.53 | doc|home | oh, arse, so why isn't it accepting my pin. Was asking for puk code when it booted, then that screen disappeared |
| 05:17.02 | doc|home | abandons proper english |
| 05:17.10 | dingman | zash: I'm just trying to help hipitihop |
| 05:17.27 | zash | mkay |
| 05:17.54 | dingman | And I usually do that sudo trick with dd instead ;) |
| 05:18.03 | dingman | or sysctl -w |
| 05:18.09 | zash | hipitihop: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 05:18.11 | zash | then |
| 05:18.15 | hipitihop | dingman, confused :( just would like definitive interfaces file sections for bot neo and desktop |
| 05:19.15 | dingman | hipitihop, they can't be right without knowing the rest of the network you're on. |
| 05:19.42 | hipitihop | where do I run /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 05:19.54 | zash | hipitihop: you write "1" to it |
| 05:19.54 | dingman | it's not a command, it's a setting. |
| 05:20.10 | zash | hipitihop: like `echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward` |
| 05:20.12 | dingman | zash's command should work |
| 05:20.58 | zash | hipitihop: that and any of above mentioned iptables-command should give you NAT |
| 05:21.07 | dingman | to make it more permanent, put 'net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1' in the file /etc/sysctl.conf on your desktop |
| 05:21.38 | KenYoung | If a Freerunner running 2008.8 goes into the suspend state while attached to a compter via the USB, does it continue charging while it is suspended? |
| 05:21.41 | swc|666 | echo "1" /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 05:21.53 | zash | swc|666: > |
| 05:22.03 | zash | swc|666: and you need su-privs |
| 05:22.07 | swc|666 | ehco "1" > |
| 05:22.15 | hipitihop | what is 'tee' after sudo ? |
| 05:22.17 | swc|666 | su ftl... root ftw |
| 05:22.24 | zash | swc|666: like `echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward` |
| 05:22.41 | zash | hipitihop: tee, works like a T-pipe |
| 05:22.45 | swc|666 | real men dont sudo ;) |
| 05:22.45 | dingman | hipitihop, it's a trick to get io redirection through sudo. |
| 05:23.02 | dingman | swc|666, real men don't have root passwords! |
| 05:23.09 | zash | hipitihop: it writes input to all arguments and stdout |
| 05:23.13 | swc|666 | ok |
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| 05:23.27 | zash | REAL PROGRAMMERS USE BUTTERFLIES |
| 05:23.42 | dingman | is not a real programmer |
| 05:24.06 | zash | me neither, i use vim |
| 05:24.25 | dingman | emacs for me |
| 05:25.01 | dingman | really should sleep. |
| 05:25.16 | zash | http://pic.zash.se/editor_learning_curves.jpg |
| 05:25.36 | hipitihop | dingman, done in cli, but still can't ping out from neo |
| 05:25.54 | zash | hipitihop: what have you done? |
| 05:26.19 | swc|666 | ??? |
| 05:26.26 | swc|666 | you got vi right |
| 05:26.46 | swc|666 | pico / nano should be ____________________ |
| 05:26.48 | zash | swc|666: ??? |
| 05:27.04 | hipitihop | zash, 'echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' on my desktop |
| 05:27.25 | zash | swc|666: google the filename |
| 05:27.49 | swc|666 | google what filename??? |
| 05:27.53 | zash | hipitihop: have you done any iptables? |
| 05:27.57 | hipitihop | dingman_ZZzzzz, enjoy the zzz's, thanks for your help |
| 05:28.28 | zash | swc|666: google images "editor learning curves" |
| 05:28.30 | hipitihop | zash, only whatever dingman suggested |
| 05:28.38 | zash | hm |
| 05:28.38 | swc|666 | fsck all that |
| 05:28.49 | swc|666 | isn't a n00b |
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| 05:29.20 | zash | hipitihop: `sudo iptables-save` and pastebin it |
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| 05:29.41 | zash | swc|666: enyoy fscking the interwebs then ;) |
| 05:29.53 | swc|666 | do u partner |
| 05:30.10 | swc|666 | doesn't need a chart to see a learning curve to be cool |
| 05:30.27 | zash | also, learning curves is backwards |
| 05:30.31 | zash | what are they? |
| 05:30.39 | swc|666 | get a life troll |
| 05:30.53 | zash | ^^ |
| 05:31.06 | swc|666 | i got the phone dialing on debian lenny btw |
| 05:31.10 | swc|666 | and a gui |
| 05:31.54 | hipitihop | zash, details so far http://pastebin.com/m13dfedba |
| 05:32.17 | wyze | debian > 2007.2 > 2008.2 > fso > etc |
| 05:32.34 | undrwater | wyze: as phone? |
| 05:32.35 | chillywilly | wyze: why do you say that? |
| 05:33.09 | wyze | yes, i have debian sd card install running as a phone with a (ghetto) gui :D |
| 05:33.20 | wyze | + gprs |
| 05:33.25 | wyze | :p |
| 05:33.26 | chillywilly | can you make an receive calls? |
| 05:33.39 | wyze | yep... whiptail tho for now on incoming |
| 05:33.44 | zash | hipitihop: you don't seem to have any rules |
| 05:33.56 | chillywilly | what dialer? |
| 05:34.04 | wyze | custom gtk |
| 05:34.16 | chillywilly | ok |
| 05:34.21 | undrwater | wyze: you're booting SD? |
| 05:34.26 | zash | hipitihop: try sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s $ip_of_your_fr -j MASQUERADE |
| 05:34.45 | wyze | i'll post it the link on my site to the lists ~tomorrow ith instructions |
| 05:34.55 | wyze | underwater: yep |
| 05:34.58 | zash | hipitihop: otoh, can you ping your desktop from your neo or the reverse? |
| 05:34.58 | chillywilly | is thirsty... |
| 05:35.08 | wyze | underwater: no debian for flash |
| 05:35.10 | wyze | atm |
| 05:35.33 | undrwater | wyze: i've been trying to boot SD forever now...can boot kernel but no rootfs...get the "no init found"...any advice? |
| 05:35.58 | undrwater | any magical unicorn partitioning scheme + u-boot env i need...? |
| 05:36.02 | wyze | what is your setup |
| 05:36.18 | undrwater | currently: fat for boot, ext2 for rootfs |
| 05:36.24 | wyze | 1st part = vfat 2nd part = ext3 (noatime) |
| 05:36.33 | wyze | then... 1 sec |
| 05:36.34 | hipitihop | zash, yes both ways |
| 05:37.07 | zash | hipitihop: okay, then the iptables commad should work |
| 05:37.09 | undrwater | tried adding an init=/sbin/init to u-boot |
| 05:38.23 | hipitihop | zash, done that but no better. btw my resolv.conf has 'nameserver 192.168.0.1' although can't ping that from fr |
| 05:38.43 | wyze | setenv menu_9 Boot SD (FAT+ext3): setenv bootargs root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext3 rootdelay=5 console=ttySAC0,115200 console=tty0 \${mtdparts}\; mmcinit\; fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 \${sd_image_name}\; bootm 0x32000000 |
| 05:38.56 | wyze | make sure u printenv that its right* |
| 05:39.42 | zash | hipitihop: do you have a dns-server on that ip, which i guess is a router of some kind if it even exists in your netwokr |
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| 05:40.08 | hipitihop | zash, you mean 192.168.0.1 ? |
| 05:40.14 | zash | yes |
| 05:40.45 | zash | hipitihop: what do you have in your resolv.conf on your desktop? |
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| 05:41.06 | hipitihop | zash, yes that does exist, it is a rea wrt54gl to which the real outside world is connected to. |
| 05:41.09 | undrwater | wyze: new is the console=...does that cure the no init deal? |
| 05:41.40 | zash | hipitihop: hm, those usualy dont have their own dns-servers |
| 05:42.00 | wyze | underwater: that gives u a console on the main tty |
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| 05:42.35 | Infinyte | Halp. >_> Anyone else get this flashing the Freerunner?: dfu_download error -108 |
| 05:42.57 | kgoetz | no one else does. you are unique :) |
| 05:42.59 | zash | hipitihop: so, copy your_desktop:/etc/resolv.conf to your_neo:/etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:43.04 | undrwater | wyze: but the problem seem like kernel is not passing boot to rootfs... |
| 05:43.14 | Infinyte | Oh snap <_< |
| 05:43.36 | undrwater | Infinyte: maybe print what you were doing before that error? |
| 05:43.36 | wyze | underwater: which kernel and where are u placing you kernel?? 0.o |
| 05:43.39 | zash | hipitihop: also, try pinging ip's, not dns-names |
| 05:43.43 | hipitihop | zash, only difference is desktop also has 'search lan' |
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| 05:44.04 | undrwater | wyze: qtopia (latest) and directly in the fat partition |
| 05:44.10 | wyze | k.. |
| 05:44.47 | zash | hipitihop: it says "nameserver 192.168.0.1" ? |
| 05:44.55 | Infinyte | Sait, nevermind. >_> I see what I did. Haha |
| 05:44.58 | hipitihop | zash, yes |
| 05:44.58 | Infinyte | *Wait |
| 05:44.59 | wyze | underwater: this might be elementary, but... your mmcblkp01 is vfat and your mmcblkp02 is ext2/3, right? |
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| 05:45.11 | undrwater | wyze: correct |
| 05:45.35 | zash | hipitihop: and ping www.google.com works? |
| 05:45.51 | zash | hipitihop: desktop &| neo |
| 05:45.56 | hipitihop | zash, from desktop ? |
| 05:45.58 | wyze | underwater: does your kernel support ext2/3? |
| 05:46.10 | zash | hipitihop: try both |
| 05:46.10 | wyze | i ont know if the stock qtopia one does |
| 05:46.17 | wyze | says qtopia sucks |
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| 05:46.45 | ieatlint | all distros use the same kernel |
| 05:46.49 | wyze | no |
| 05:46.51 | wyze | they dont |
| 05:46.57 | wyze | mine is cusom built |
| 05:46.57 | undrwater | wyze: i'm making that assumption, because i've seen folks on the mailing lists boot qt...but i can try the latest from 2008.8 |
| 05:47.08 | ieatlint | any which distro is yours then? |
| 05:47.33 | undrwater | iirc, latest QT uses 2008.8 kernel |
| 05:47.46 | wyze | underwater: so build a custom git.openmoko kernel, and MAKE sure u select ext2/3 support in the make menuconfig... build it, have a coke and a smile ;) |
| 05:47.57 | undrwater | wyze: :P |
| 05:47.58 | hipitihop | zash, works from desktop not neo |
| 05:48.01 | undrwater | :) |
| 05:48.04 | wyze | iealint: debian custom neopwn.com |
| 05:48.04 | undrwater | ah well... |
| 05:48.33 | ieatlint | yeah, ok, well all the distros with official participation by openmoko use the same kernel then |
| 05:48.46 | ieatlint | and you're using their kernel with a custom build, seemingly |
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| 05:50.19 | chillywilly | how's that lint tasting? |
| 05:50.27 | wyze | i'm using the git kernel man |
| 05:50.48 | wyze | if u can't build it then read a book?? i dunno |
| 05:50.58 | chillywilly | The average person spends 2 weeks over his/her lifetime waiting for a traffic light to change. |
| 05:51.22 | ieatlint | heh |
| 05:51.26 | zash | hipitihop: does `host www.google.com` work on the neo |
| 05:51.42 | hipitihop | zash, no |
| 05:51.52 | chillywilly | must setup resolv.conf |
| 05:51.56 | hipitihop | zash, sorry, what's host |
| 05:52.04 | chillywilly | *thwap* |
| 05:52.09 | zash | hipitihop: like nslookup |
| 05:52.19 | chillywilly | but not deprecated |
| 05:52.21 | chillywilly | ;P |
| 05:52.30 | zash | chillywilly: orly :D |
| 05:52.36 | undrwater | wyze: i want to try to build...but not specifically for booting from SD...that should be relatively easy...i know i'm missing something in the process...just trying to track it down |
| 05:52.50 | chillywilly | I should sleep |
| 05:52.54 | chillywilly | nighty night |
| 05:52.58 | zash | chillywilly: me too |
| 05:53.08 | zash | chillywilly: morning here |
| 05:53.09 | hipitihop | zash, you want me to do 'host www.google.com' on the fr ? |
| 05:53.09 | wyze | undrwater: i'd guess your kernel doesnt have ext2/3 support for sure |
| 05:53.25 | zash | hipitihop: do it on both, and compare |
| 05:53.28 | undrwater | wyze: i'm guessing it has one or the other...prolly not both |
| 05:53.37 | zash | s/both/both desktop and neo |
| 05:53.43 | wyze | the default .config has neither btw |
| 05:53.52 | chillywilly | is 12:53AM morning? |
| 05:53.53 | undrwater | oh yeah? |
| 05:53.59 | chillywilly | ;P |
| 05:54.16 | chillywilly | bye |
| 05:54.23 | ieatlint | wyze, that book you were referring to talk about /proc/filesystems too? |
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| 05:54.46 | hipitihop | zash, fails on neo, no host command, and desktop shows 4 addresses |
| 05:54.57 | wyze | iealint: lol.. i was talkin' shit in regards to a book.. i dont think a book covers this matter |
| 05:55.14 | ieatlint | yeah, i know, am talking shit back :P |
| 05:55.27 | ieatlint | you got a question if it supports ext2/3, cat /proc/filesystems |
| 05:55.31 | zash | hipitihop: uhu, then, what dns-resolv-commands is there? |
| 05:55.33 | ieatlint | if it's not listed, it no support it |
| 05:56.19 | zash | hipitihop: do `nslookup www.google.com` on both machines and compare/pastebin it |
| 05:56.37 | wyze | sure... see if it is there.. most likely it isnt, @ least with the andy branch / stable branch |
| 05:57.01 | wyze | but then again i'm a coupe of weeks off the git... so maybe its there now |
| 05:57.10 | wyze | c/coupe/couple |
| 05:57.13 | undrwater | interesting...mmcinit shows: MMC/SD size: 511MiB |
| 05:57.21 | undrwater | but it's a 2GB card |
| 05:59.48 | hipitihop | zash, http://pastebin.com/m56ac2 |
| 06:00.08 | kd8ikt | what card is that undrwater |
| 06:00.11 | kd8ikt | brand etc |
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| 06:00.26 | zash | hipitihop: "Unknown post id, it may have expired or been deleted" |
| 06:00.32 | kd8ikt | not SDHC i bet |
| 06:00.35 | undrwater | sandisk |
| 06:00.53 | undrwater | what's the "etc" ;) |
| 06:01.34 | kd8ikt | i've been having problems formatting my 2GB card aswell |
| 06:01.44 | hipitihop | zash, http://pastebin.com/m56ac2367 |
| 06:02.09 | kd8ikt | multiple partitions make it fail i somehow got it to read 1.6GB but god knows what will happen when it fills up |
| 06:02.37 | kd8ikt | i need to buy a good high capactity one |
| 06:02.37 | zash | hipitihop: is there a tracepath-program on the neo? |
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| 06:02.56 | zash | hipitihop: probably tracepath or traceroute |
| 06:03.30 | undrwater | isn't the mmc supposed to start with partition "1"? |
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| 06:03.53 | undrwater | ie mmc 1 is boot partition? |
| 06:04.04 | hipitihop | zash, traceroute |
| 06:04.05 | undrwater | assuming typical scheme |
| 06:04.27 | ciacon | lol - I just realized I have 1973 unread mails in my openmoko mailinglist folder... |
| 06:04.46 | undrwater | ironic |
| 06:04.52 | undrwater | or coincidental |
| 06:04.57 | kd8ikt | <--3295 in his mailbox |
| 06:04.57 | undrwater | or some other word |
| 06:05.08 | ciacon | odd.... |
| 06:05.10 | ciacon | xD |
| 06:05.12 | zash | hipitihop: then, traceroute some ip's like your desktop's ip and other |
| 06:05.33 | hipitihop | zash, from neo ? |
| 06:05.39 | zash | hipitihop: yes |
| 06:06.02 | zash | hipitihop: like `traceroute 64.233.187.99` (one of googles ips) |
| 06:07.21 | undrwater | OK...getting somewhre... |
| 06:07.41 | undrwater | fatls mmc 0:1 shows uImage.bin |
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| 06:08.12 | undrwater | but ext2ls mmc 0:2 shows nothing |
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| 06:08.18 | hipitihop | zash, just gets to first hop 192.168.1.200 |
| 06:08.41 | undrwater | i should try the 512 that came with the neo |
| 06:08.54 | hipitihop | zash, should the resolv.conf be 192.168.1.200 instead ? |
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| 06:09.19 | zash | hipitihop: no |
| 06:09.48 | hipitihop | zash, if it was then 192.168.1.200 would have to run a dns server ? |
| 06:09.58 | zash | hipitihop: yes. |
| 06:10.16 | zash | hipitihop: that is the ip given to the desktop in usb-networking right? |
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| 06:11.43 | hipitihop | zash, yes see http://pastebin.com/m13dfedba line 17 desktop. That is from my desktop interfaces file |
| 06:12.38 | zash | mkay |
| 06:12.44 | hipitihop | zash, btw, all this time my attempts on the neo side are via an existing ssh session from desktop to neo |
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| 06:13.22 | zash | and those settings are active |
| 06:13.23 | zash | ? |
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| 06:13.32 | hipitihop | zash, so clearly something not quite right on the desktop side to allow neo to see the rest of the network |
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| 06:14.26 | hipitihop | is concerned how much zach's time has been wasted with this |
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| 06:15.30 | zash | bah, couldnt sleep anyways |
| 06:15.35 | zash | and now its morning |
| 06:16.17 | hipitihop | zach, I wish I understood all the subnet and netmask stuff better as I'm sure it is related to the blokage |
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| 06:17.10 | zash | hipitihop: thats what wikipedia is for :D |
| 06:17.15 | peepsalot | what dpes events/0 represent in top? |
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| 06:17.26 | zash | hipitihop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIDR |
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| 06:18.48 | zash | hipitihop: also, i'm mostly applying knowledge gatherd from poking in my server+router's iptables-script |
| 06:18.56 | undrwater | now i get: Freeing init memory: 132k |
| 06:19.16 | undrwater | blinking cursor...nothing happening yet...does it take a while? |
| 06:20.00 | zash | hipitihop: it seems very similar to the fact that i cant route stuff trough vpn |
| 06:20.11 | hipitihop | zash, understand... poked around enoufg with my network and 2 x cojoined routers, but till now have had everything on 192.168.0.x all machines and routers |
| 06:20.30 | undrwater | previous line: VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) |
| 06:20.40 | peepsalot | my load average is 2.5, and my phone isn't doing anything |
| 06:21.07 | hipitihop | zash, iow, know enough to be dangerous. don't understand why this thing connected via usb to 192.168.0.4 can't see the rest including themain router |
| 06:21.57 | zash | hipitihop: and i have no neo, so i cant try for my self |
| 06:22.31 | hipitihop | zash, infact don't understand now that dingman suggested to move neo to 192.168.1.202 why it should help |
| 06:22.58 | hipitihop | notes so much to learn and so little time |
| 06:23.09 | zash | hm |
| 06:23.46 | hipitihop | zash, appreciate your attempts, feel free to zzzz |
| 06:23.46 | goodwill | ieatlint: ping |
| 06:24.17 | goodwill | anyone here a dev on one of the projects hosted projects.openmoko.org? |
| 06:24.24 | zash | hipitihop: i cant to that now, too late :( and it were too late when i started trying to help you |
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| 06:25.00 | hipitihop | zash, if I do 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart' on my ubuntu desktop, does this reset whatever we do manually to iptables or not |
| 06:25.27 | zash | hipitihop: that would make sense |
| 06:25.58 | zash | hipitihop: duno if it purges iptables |
| 06:26.07 | hipitihop | zash, I might restart everything and see what I get |
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| 06:26.34 | zash | hipitihop: you could try doing everything from the beginning |
| 06:26.58 | hipitihop | zash, everything means ? |
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| 06:27.42 | zash | hipitihop: you were born, ... |
| 06:28.21 | hipitihop | zash, if you are not sure re iptables being reset, should I restart the entire ubuntu desktop |
| 06:29.03 | hipitihop | zash, assuming that would clear it. |
| 06:29.07 | zash | probably |
| 06:29.26 | zash | also, iptables -X and two other -SOME UPPERCASE LETTER |
| 06:29.30 | zash | can be used to reset iptables |
| 06:30.21 | zash | F, Z and X |
| 06:30.30 | zash | flush, zero, delete |
| 06:30.41 | zash | HULK FLUSH TABLES! |
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| 06:36.37 | holycow | rofl @ zash |
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| 06:36.46 | holycow | dude. effin classic |
| 06:36.49 | holycow | :( |
| 06:36.57 | holycow | :) even |
| 06:38.56 | zash | holy cow! :D |
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| 06:44.41 | undrwater | wake up!! |
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| 06:47.08 | doc|home | quiet you |
| 06:47.12 | doc|home | I'm trying to sleep |
| 06:48.59 | undrwater | fluffs doc|home's pillow |
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| 06:51.43 | undrwater | how does one get the u-boot version? |
| 06:52.37 | kd8ikt | boot into it and look at the very top |
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| 06:53.57 | undrwater | kd8ikt: thanks |
| 06:54.45 | ecraven | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:56.34 | undrwater | kd8ikt: says Aug 11 2008...is that the version? |
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| 06:57.04 | kd8ikt | more like build date |
| 06:57.16 | kd8ikt | does it have a big hex string behind it |
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| 06:57.21 | undrwater | yep |
| 06:57.25 | doc|home | undrwater: tuck me in? |
| 06:57.34 | kd8ikt | thats the git version |
| 06:57.54 | undrwater | doc|home: your favorite story? |
| 06:57.58 | kd8ikt | but more or less your version is latest 2008-08-11 |
| 06:58.12 | doc|home | undrwater: hmmm, the one where george dubya gets impeached |
| 06:58.23 | kd8ikt | cant get hydra to compile |
| 06:58.33 | kd8ikt | not that i will really use it... |
| 06:58.36 | undrwater | kd8ikt: OK...so i should be able to boot one large fs |
| 06:59.26 | undrwater | doc|home: once upon a time there was an oil baron who lost lots and lots of money... |
| 07:01.18 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:04.25 | doc|home | unknown_lamer: hehe |
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| 07:04.32 | doc|home | undrwater: hehehe |
| 07:04.34 | doc|home | sorry unknown_lamer |
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| 07:08.25 | undrwater | what is the "s" in drwxr-sr-x |
| 07:08.56 | zash | undrwater: sticky! |
| 07:09.22 | |FiLiP| | undrwater, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit |
| 07:09.39 | undrwater | |FiLiP|: thanks |
| 07:10.08 | undrwater | should OM rootfs have sticky bit? |
| 07:10.19 | undrwater | well...some of the dir's anyway |
| 07:11.43 | zash | should not have to |
| 07:11.50 | |FiLiP| | hmm, not sure (still waiting for my FR to arrive). On some dirs it makes sense, but not on all |
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| 07:12.23 | undrwater | i see it on /proc /sys /mnt /media |
| 07:12.46 | undrwater | i guess those that have dynamic content? |
| 07:13.41 | zash | isn't everything owned by root anyways |
| 07:13.50 | undrwater | yep |
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| 07:18.43 | mmontour | zash: that "s" is setgid bit - sticky is 't' as the last character. |
| 07:19.23 | zash | mmontour: yes, thats right! |
| 07:19.39 | mmontour | re-enacts http://xkcd.com/386/ |
| 07:19.58 | zash | i got them mixed up :/ |
| 07:20.15 | zash | but, "group sticks to new files" ... |
| 07:20.57 | zash | sounded logical at least |
| 07:20.58 | mmontour | OK, so it's "a" sticky bit, but not "the" sticky bit |
| 07:21.30 | zash | mmontour: i didn't say it was _the_ sticky bit |
| 07:21.38 | zash | i only said "sticky" |
| 07:21.43 | mmontour | fair enough |
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| 07:22.01 | zash | also, undrwater: man chmod! |
| 07:23.11 | undrwater | zash: i've done that a few times....but i usually / for what i'm looking for :P |
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| 07:30.46 | kd8ikt | sweet hydra works |
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| 07:31.11 | kd8ikt | need john the ripper |
| 07:31.16 | Infoport | kd8ikt: hi! I saw you have put up a respository-- can you give any details on how it is different from the others? (i.e. what other stuff is there?) Perhaps even put a little more description in the wiki... |
| 07:31.31 | kd8ikt | hydra mplayer openvpn iaxclient |
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| 07:31.56 | kd8ikt | stuff i nevr found on scaredies or anyone elses |
| 07:32.29 | kd8ikt | nmap |
| 07:32.43 | kd8ikt | things i cant live without |
| 07:33.19 | zash | no nmap? |
| 07:33.52 | zash | or, you have nmap in your repo? |
| 07:34.29 | kd8ikt | yes its in there |
| 07:34.42 | kd8ikt | if it works or not i dont know |
| 07:35.02 | zash | to bad the wifi chip won't do monitor-mode |
| 07:35.18 | kd8ikt | yeah that steams my ass too |
| 07:35.42 | Infoport | kd8ikt: does the repository work with OM2007 or 200.8 (or both?) |
| 07:36.09 | kd8ikt | shouldnt matter what rootfs you use |
| 07:36.12 | Infoport | kd8ikt: I guess you included mplayer because it works better than the current ones? |
| 07:36.55 | kd8ikt | same as all the others |
| 07:37.20 | Infoport | kd8ikt: cool! is there a big chance of conflicts with repositories (like with other Linux distros and repos?) |
| 07:37.40 | kd8ikt | jesus christ |
| 07:38.21 | Infoport | kd8ikt: well the qtopia media player in 2008.8 didn't work for me at all (because of the issue of "where is it looking) |
| 07:38.29 | kd8ikt | want me to hand out warranties and disclamers aswell? |
| 07:38.43 | zash | like the diff between ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu etc? ;) |
| 07:39.09 | Infoport | kd8ikt: sorry, dont mean to bug you... hey if I expected "rock stable" I wouldnt be using a developer release-- I'm just asking |
| 07:39.26 | kd8ikt | its all dev/testing |
| 07:39.52 | Infoport | kd8ikt: sure, hand out warranties-- I'll put them next to the john, with those from Dell and Packard Hell |
| 07:41.08 | Infoport | zash: no, if you run just Ubuntu, you can use some respositories, but if you mix certain sets, they will try to replace each others files each time (certain unofficial ones dont sync with the official and sync-ed unofficial ones) |
| 07:42.37 | Infoport | kd8ikt: ok fair enough-- not trying to give grief, just asking so I'll have a heads up. My 2008.8 is getting kernels panics now instead of booting, and I consider it "par"-- I excepted some bumps and that's why it went on SD |
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| 07:44.18 | Infoport | kd8ikt: Disclaimers, yes! that's what commercial companies do-- just say "It's your responsibility, we don't warranty it for any purpose" :-D |
| 07:45.04 | kd8ikt | read through the gpl then get back to me |
| 07:45.28 | zash | kd8ikt: :D |
| 07:46.07 | Infoport | kd8ikt: hehehe... ok ok, I don't expect anyone to bottle feed me software |
| 07:46.59 | Infoport | kd8ikt |
| 07:47.46 | Infoport | kd8ikt: along the lines of conflicts, are most OM packages statically compiled, without lots of dependencies? |
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| 07:56.49 | Infoport | kd8ikt: I'm not a complete dumbass-- I compile stuff, edit src, program... your listing just didn't say much and I'm trying to get an idea of which OSes to give feeds without borking every aspect. I'm keeping one semi-stable, and testing much more on others |
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| 08:00.40 | admiral0 | hi i tried FSO M2 on the emulator.. Does it contain OM2008.08 without qtopia? |
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| 08:05.08 | Infoport | ok well, I guess I must be the last of a lot of people asking annoying questions to kd8ikt |
| 08:06.01 | TAsn | Infoport, i don't think you are the last. |
| 08:06.01 | swc|666 | Infoport: debian |
| 08:06.08 | TAsn | ;0 |
| 08:06.43 | kd8ikt | mplayer -playlist |
| 08:06.47 | Infoport | TAsn: true, he probably just wishes I was the last |
| 08:06.50 | kd8ikt | + shoutcast ;) |
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| 08:08.03 | Infoport | swc|666: is debian on OM really that great? I haven't tried, have only seen a few people talking about it( rather than Qtopia, FSO, ASU...) |
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| 08:08.35 | Infoport | swc|666: on a desktop it rocks! (Ubuntu even) |
| 08:08.56 | BlackFog | hi |
| 08:10.53 | swc|666 | on the moko it rocks too ;) |
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| 08:13.14 | TAsn | swc|666, with debian it's only a pda right? no phone capabilities.. |
| 08:14.10 | Infoport | swc|666: how would you compare it to OM2007? (other than doing more setup yourself) A lot "just works" after cross-compiling, or do you work hard to get it rocking? |
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| 08:15.43 | kd8ikt | Mmm KY cigarettes taste somuch better then OH... maybe because KY's arent taxed as much |
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| 08:20.57 | Infoport | TAsn: we were too slow, swc quit. now we'll never find out how the debian story ends ;-) |
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| 08:59.07 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 09:26.58 | ike | Gooooood morning. |
| 09:32.38 | SUNWjoejaxx | ike: Good Morning |
| 09:32.40 | SUNWjoejaxx | :) |
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| 09:40.08 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9f8a98c6c793 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and up illume to fix softmenu |
| 09:40.08 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r902f0bc036bf 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 09:40.33 | lindi- | <community@lists.openmoko.org>: [sita.openmoko.org]: Name or service not known |
| 09:40.35 | lindi- | huh? |
| 09:41.11 | ike | wow. |
| 09:42.16 | ike | lindi: maybe that's why those pesky duplicates are showing at lists.o.o all the time. |
| 09:42.39 | roh | we still do not know for sure where these come from |
| 09:42.57 | roh | bug gmail and yahoo and so are not really helping eithere |
| 09:43.10 | lindi- | i do not use either one |
| 09:43.10 | roh | eh either |
| 09:43.20 | roh | yes. but other people do |
| 09:44.06 | roh | i still want to see evidence that a mail went once to our listserver and then out multiple times (mailheaders) |
| 09:44.14 | ike | roh: I don't know why would GMail or Yahoo resend my messages. |
| 09:44.39 | roh | i have logs of a short time till they rotate away, to check what happened, but i need full headers. |
| 09:44.57 | roh | ike me neither. they should stick to the rfc or stay away. |
| 09:46.44 | roh | also its difficult to say there is something generic wrong.. we send out between 1 and 2 gbytes of smtp traffic a day |
| 09:47.03 | roh | for that we have very few problems ;) |
| 09:47.47 | roh | the most annoying problem is people with broken mailservers.. which dont take mails for days till they get bounced to hell |
| 09:48.50 | ike | TBH I hardly believe it's google's/yahoo's fault. I would bet it's mailman's. |
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| 10:10.07 | Bubbi | Hmm.. I've had my neo connected to Ubuntu through USB for some weeks now (not continuously). And now, I just can't connect for the following reason: "usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device. SIOCSIFADDR: No such device".. does anybody know why this happens..? |
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| 10:24.50 | kd8ikt | frustration setting in |
| 10:26.45 | Bubbi | kd8ikt: whats wrong..? |
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| 10:40.45 | Proton23 | Hello? |
| 10:40.56 | PBeck | hello Proton23 :) |
| 10:41.01 | Proton23 | aahh |
| 10:41.10 | Proton23 | I'm new to IRC |
| 10:41.21 | PBeck | Hello ... anybody hereeee? ... echo :> |
| 10:41.32 | PBeck | Proton23: ok nice :) |
| 10:41.36 | Proton23 | so I didn't know if it would work |
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| 10:41.42 | JeffJohnson | howdy |
| 10:41.56 | ike | ;-) |
| 10:42.00 | ike | Proton23: it works. |
| 10:42.06 | Proton23 | cool :D |
| 10:42.07 | PBeck | JeffJohnson: howdy cowboy :) |
| 10:42.43 | JeffJohnson | I read on http://om-tiddlywiki.projects.openmoko.org/openmokowiki.html that there is an VMware image with an installed openmoko sdk, but can't find it :/ Has anybody an download link for me? |
| 10:42.43 | Proton23 | are there other chats about openmoko? |
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| 11:56.57 | *** topic/#openmoko is Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Developers should join #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | buildhost.openmoko.org does not have ASU on it | 200808 means August not 2008.8 | Keynumber for 2008.8 : finger slide up on the keyboard |
| 11:57.06 | ecraven | KenYoung: looks nice, thanks, i'll try whether it works on debian |
| 11:57.10 | Dave | haha yeah, now if only the projects page wasn't down |
| 11:57.21 | Infoport | KenYoung: is it in a repository yet, or "just" manual install? |
| 11:57.58 | Infoport | KenYoung: beat me to the question! |
| 11:58.10 | Dave | ken young, you had to branch it for 2008.8? |
| 11:58.12 | Dave | :\ |
| 11:58.15 | lotha1 | Dave: I have installed all required packages except one, that I didn't know where to get: libcurl4-openssl-dev. |
| 11:58.40 | KenYoung | Infoport, I'm trying to figure out how to get it added to the Community Repository, but it looks like there are tags which need to be in the bitbake recipe. I don't have a bitbake recipe yet - I just have a dumb Makefile. |
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| 11:59.05 | KenYoung | Dave, THere are separate .ipk files available for 2007.2 and 2008.8. |
| 11:59.37 | Dave | Yes, why have you done this? |
| 12:00.02 | Dave | high-fives KenYoung for "just having" a dumb makefile. |
| 12:00.09 | KenYoung | Dave, there's almost no difference - just the size of the icon for the launcher. |
| 12:00.12 | Infoport | oh ok, so not yet in repository... still worth manual install, but will definitely want to keep it updating once it repo |
| 12:00.16 | Dave | oh, good! |
| 12:00.23 | ecraven | KenYoung: it's looking for /media/card/orrery/config |
| 12:00.24 | Dave | Yeah I just didn't see what the need would be :P |
| 12:00.25 | KenYoung | And my icon looks terrible anyway. |
| 12:00.32 | Dave | ecraven D: |
| 12:00.48 | Dave | pretty icon :) |
| 12:00.55 | Dave | :D |
| 12:00.56 | KenYoung | ecraven, It can take a command line argument of -d, to specify the top-level directory. |
| 12:01.08 | Dave | if you don't like it, may I create a better one? ;) |
| 12:01.17 | bumbl | hmm zhone-git does not compile; damn |
| 12:01.19 | KenYoung | ecraven, "orrery -d /usr/share/orrery" etc. |
| 12:01.56 | ecraven | KenYoung: just saw it in the .desktop file, thanks |
| 12:01.57 | Bubbi | how do you make the media player (for the 2008.8 image) know where your music files are..? Is there a wiki on the media player |
| 12:02.29 | ecraven | KenYoung: hm.. the buttons at the bottom have unreadably small writing. but that might be my .gtkrc-2.0's flaut |
| 12:03.07 | KenYoung | ecraven, Yes, maybe. It looks ok when installed under 2007.2 and 2008.8, but I haven't tested anything else. |
| 12:03.10 | Dave | I like how we're all in Cambridge :P |
| 12:03.29 | Infoport | Bubbi: someone said the other night that you tell media player to search, maybe a button on bottom left? lots have had that confusion (me!) |
| 12:03.31 | ecraven | KenYoung: where does it save if i click "save to configuration file" |
| 12:03.41 | ecraven | KenYoung: does /usr/share/orrery/config need to be writable? |
| 12:03.45 | KenYoung | Dave, There are location menues under "place", and it can get the location from gpsd, if that is running. |
| 12:03.58 | KenYoung | ecraven, Yes. |
| 12:04.01 | Dave | Yes, I am aware. |
| 12:04.27 | Dave | Why is orrery part of Office though? |
| 12:05.04 | Dave | Categories=GTK;Application;Office |
| 12:05.09 | KenYoung | Dave, I guess it shouldn't be. I sis that so that it would show up on the default launcher list under 2007.2. |
| 12:05.10 | Bubbi | Infoport: hmm.. alright.. I'll just take a look at it, when the music have been transfered |
| 12:05.18 | Dave | heh |
| 12:05.22 | Dave | Yeah, that's what I figured ;) |
| 12:05.41 | Dave | Well I'm going to change that, if you don't mind :) |
| 12:05.53 | Dave | I have issues with pollution in that department. |
| 12:06.04 | ecraven | has anyone been playing with matchbox-stroke? |
| 12:06.12 | Dave | ecraven, I tried! |
| 12:06.20 | KenYoung | Dave, By all means, please do. And send suggestions for new features and bug fixes. |
| 12:06.25 | ecraven | how did you get an "i"? |
| 12:06.31 | Dave | Sure! |
| 12:06.36 | Dave | ecraven hahaha |
| 12:06.41 | Dave | I found it very unintuitive |
| 12:06.49 | Dave | like Palm graffiti gives you a guide |
| 12:06.51 | ecraven | i like it, but i can't for the life of me get an "i" or a space ;( |
| 12:06.58 | Dave | but this was like... wtf? o_O |
| 12:07.19 | mbuf | OM2008.8 is cool; GPS doesn't work out of the box? I get unable to get fix |
| 12:07.20 | ecraven | i find it easier to use than the mini keyboards.. but then, if i can't type all letters, it's rather useless |
| 12:07.25 | Bubbi | ecraven: what about a T..? I've heard some having trouble with that as well |
| 12:07.30 | Dave | ecraven I got aggravated and just scribbled shit until I got what I wanted! |
| 12:07.41 | ecraven | t is center to the right, then down, then back towards the left |
| 12:07.41 | Bubbi | haha |
| 12:07.46 | mbuf | how to get the display back from suspend mode? |
| 12:07.48 | Dave | I had troubnle with just about anything |
| 12:07.56 | Dave | mbuf, did you do the usual stuff? |
| 12:07.59 | ecraven | looks a bit like a bit like a mirrored C |
| 12:08.13 | mbuf | Dave, what is the usual stuff? |
| 12:08.28 | Bubbi | heh, weird.. :) |
| 12:08.59 | Dave | ken Young what do you use for the maps? |
| 12:09.35 | KenYoung | Dave, They are generated by the application itself, from the Hipparcos catalog. |
| 12:09.51 | Dave | Also, could you fix your app so it displays properly in landscape orientation ;) |
| 12:09.55 | bumbl | ecraven: have you got zhone running on debian? |
| 12:10.01 | Dave | or add that to your list of things :) |
| 12:10.06 | ecraven | bumbl: didn't try so far |
| 12:10.13 | ecraven | and i'll be on holidays for two weeks |
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| 12:10.20 | KenYoung | Dave, I plan on having a completely different type of display in landscape. |
| 12:10.22 | Dave | ecraven \o/ |
| 12:10.30 | Dave | Ken Young, enticing! |
| 12:10.32 | Dave | :D |
| 12:10.36 | Dave | sounds sexy |
| 12:11.26 | bumbl | ecraven: have fun |
| 12:11.27 | KenYoung | Dave, sexy is a stretch, I'm afraid. But I had to write something, to justify buying the "developer's release" of a phone. |
| 12:11.39 | ecraven | thanks ;) |
| 12:11.41 | Dave | oh :x |
| 12:11.50 | Dave | ecraven, bring me back something! :) |
| 12:12.00 | Infoport | KenYoung: orrery *cant* know which way you are facing (holding phone) correct? I've seen gadget that did, but dont think OM can tell |
| 12:12.12 | ecraven | if you walk, it can ;) |
| 12:12.20 | Dave | infoport that doesn't matter, does it? |
| 12:12.27 | lotha1 | Try to compile matchbox on my Etch (PPC) gives me this error: brightness.c:8:32: error: gtk/gtkscalebutton.h: No such file or directory. Any ideas ? |
| 12:12.38 | Dave | it's not going to rotate the stars to fit your orientation, now is it? :P |
| 12:13.02 | KenYoung | Infoport, Yes, that's true. To move around, hit the little green arrows at the bottom (stylus needed, I'm afraid), or hit one of the green azimuth values at the bottom. |
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| 12:13.14 | Dave | haha oops, orrery crashed |
| 12:13.24 | KenYoung | Dave, Rats! |
| 12:13.25 | bumbl | KenYoung: any plans in implementing gestures? |
| 12:13.27 | Infoport | Dave: the gadget I saw had a pistol grip, and you could point around and see constellations outlined for you with the real stars past it |
| 12:13.32 | Dave | kenyoung, yes, it's very nice :) |
| 12:13.46 | Dave | Infoport the bat signal!? |
| 12:14.04 | Infoport | hehehe |
| 12:14.24 | KenYoung | bumbl, Please send suggestions for what gestures should do, to orrery.moko@gmail.com |
| 12:14.26 | Dave | Freeze badguys! I have an openmoko! |
| 12:14.56 | Dave | Oh no, run, or he'll sic his army of atrocious bugs at us! |
| 12:15.07 | Infoport | Dave: costs almost as much as phone (and not open source) but... http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/956a/ |
| 12:15.22 | bumbl | KenYoung: as soon as I have time |
| 12:15.25 | KenYoung | Infoport, Yes, that's a Celestron product. It actually matches an image grabed by a camera toan internal star database. |
| 12:15.52 | Dave | :o |
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| 12:16.21 | Zorkman | hello ladies |
| 12:16.30 | Infoport | KenYoung: then I'll expect that feature in orrery.GTA03 (with camera) :-P |
| 12:16.31 | Dave | hoi:D |
| 12:16.39 | KenYoung | Dave, If orrery is crashing on you, I'd sure appreciate it if you'd send me the core file. |
| 12:16.40 | Zorkman | Hi KenYoung! |
| 12:16.40 | Dave | hoe is het, zorkman? |
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| 12:16.52 | KenYoung | Zorkman, Hi. |
| 12:16.57 | Zorkman | doing some design for assembly sh*t |
| 12:17.03 | Dave | Kenyoung, well I changed the system time, and when it updated in the app, it closed when I clicked |
| 12:17.10 | Dave | I don't know if that is my fault :P |
| 12:17.44 | KenYoung | Dave, Please try it again, and send a core file to me if it crashes (if you have time). |
| 12:17.44 | Zorkman | it works fine here Dave, what are you running? |
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| 12:18.19 | Dave | hehe time |
| 12:18.24 | Zorkman | if you want KenYoung I will uninstall my Orrery and install your ipk and see if it works |
| 12:18.29 | Dave | Zorkman, nah, just breaking things, as usual :D |
| 12:18.36 | bumbl | hmm, the company I am working for my vacation job kind of sucks: I do the work a script could do far better than me and which wouldn't be there if their crappy selfmade programs would work well and do what they are expected to do; no big surprise that they are short of money |
| 12:18.46 | lotha1 | Any ideas about what gtk version must be installed for matchbox ? |
| 12:18.47 | Dave | Zorkman, it works fine, just beware, it installs into Office! :D |
| 12:18.53 | Dave | whee |
| 12:19.27 | KenYoung | Zorkman, I'm always interested in hearing if people have installation problems. I've tried my .ipk files under 2007.2 and 2008.8, but not FSO or debian. |
| 12:19.29 | ike | What? Office on FreeRunner? |
| 12:19.31 | ike | ;P |
| 12:19.35 | Dave | I swear, Categories on GTK is so LAWL |
| 12:19.42 | Dave | ike PIM |
| 12:19.52 | ike | POM Dave. |
| 12:19.52 | Zorkman | KenYoung: did you change other things since you sent me the orrery file? (I'm the one who mailed you a thousand times concerning orrery) |
| 12:19.57 | Dave | fucking categories... #$&^%#&*!@* |
| 12:20.05 | Dave | Must destroy... |
| 12:20.13 | Dave | seeks out the creator |
| 12:20.28 | KenYoung | Zorkman, Oh - I'm really glad to get a chance to thank you for bearing with me through that rough install. |
| 12:20.34 | zash | Use the source, Dave, use the source! |
| 12:20.46 | Bubbi | Infoport: after a little trouble getting the mediaplayer working (it crashed for some odd reason), i've now just entered it, and it found my music right away.. i had it placed in /media/card/music |
| 12:20.46 | ike | I don't know why, but when Dave writes something I have got a feeling that HAL9000 has to response. |
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| 12:20.47 | Zorkman | hehe, you're the one who deserves thanking, I'm just glad it works! |
| 12:21.15 | KenYoung | Zorkman, The new .ipk version has nothing new. I'll be adding star names next, and then a new landscape mode, showing a completely different type of display. |
| 12:21.17 | Zorkman | Bubbi: what mediaplayer are you using? |
| 12:21.29 | Zorkman | woohoo, can't wait for that one :) |
| 12:21.39 | KenYoung | Zorkman, the .ipk just makes installation easy. |
| 12:22.07 | Zorkman | together with tango-gps and pidgin youre's is one of the few programs that just work great :) |
| 12:22.08 | JeffJohnson | to be sure: there is no VM Image with the openMoko SDK available, atm? |
| 12:22.19 | Bubbi | Zorkman: the one for 2008.8.. but it can't play my mp3's.. it found them, oddly enough but can't play them |
| 12:22.22 | Infoport | Bubbi: hmmm... I couldn't get it to find mine, but havent tried since was told about search (too much else to play with) |
| 12:22.30 | Dave | Bubbi, sounds about right :D |
| 12:23.15 | Bubbi | wuhu.. now it plays it.. hahaha.. i was chocked.. I had stopped playing, but suddenly it started.. haha |
| 12:23.19 | Zorkman | is there already a mplayer available with GUI? |
| 12:23.29 | Bubbi | BUT DAMN.. it's not a very good speaker.. :D |
| 12:23.47 | Zorkman | for a phone i was rather pleased.... no high expectations i guess :) |
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| 12:24.04 | Zorkman | you can boost bass in alsamixer btw |
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| 12:24.09 | zash | mplayer with gui? |
| 12:24.12 | Dave | mix it baby! |
| 12:24.15 | zash | BLASPHEMY |
| 12:24.16 | Dave | zash, negative! |
| 12:24.20 | Infoport | any idea what mixer controls ring volume? |
| 12:24.22 | Bubbi | Zorkman: It sounds really bad.. but i'm still looking for the volume buttons.. :D |
| 12:24.28 | Dave | mplayer with crappy half-assed command-line interface! |
| 12:24.32 | Dave | bubbi :P |
| 12:24.37 | Dave | giggles at Zorkman |
| 12:24.56 | Zorkman | thinks Dave has once again eaten the wrong kind of mushrooms :) |
| 12:24.57 | zash | Dave: crappy? |
| 12:24.57 | Dave | ROFL, oh yeah that was another funny thing |
| 12:25.11 | Infoport | Dave: I just sing to myself...people stare but it gives me elbow room in crowded places |
| 12:25.16 | Dave | I have so many icons in the taskbar up top now in 2007.2 it goes over the loading icon and SIM name |
| 12:25.19 | Dave | :D |
| 12:25.29 | Dave | Infoport - hah! :P |
| 12:25.35 | Dave | zash, yeah, I hear it's half-assed |
| 12:25.41 | Dave | I got it myself, and haven't gotten it to work yet |
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| 12:25.59 | lotha1 | Can't join #openmoko-devel. Why ? |
| 12:26.01 | Zorkman | DAve: on my FR it works without tampering with it... |
| 12:26.08 | Dave | lotha1: You require additional coolness! |
| 12:26.12 | Dave | heh |
| 12:26.13 | Zorkman | lotha1: not enough skilllzzz |
| 12:26.18 | Dave | What I said. |
| 12:26.35 | Dave | hahahahahaha |
| 12:26.36 | Dave | YES |
| 12:26.51 | lotha1 | OoooKey :-) Where to buy the skillZ ? |
| 12:26.54 | Dave | speaking of which |
| 12:27.03 | Dave | First one to run starcraft on their freerunner gets a prize! |
| 12:27.13 | ike | o! |
| 12:27.19 | Bubbi | okay.. I'm giving up on the mediaplayer for now.. :) |
| 12:27.20 | ike | that is some nasty idea. |
| 12:27.23 | Infoport | Dave: rather have nethack |
| 12:27.27 | Zorkman | i don't know lotha1: you might ask someone like XorA, maybe he knows |
| 12:27.27 | Bubbi | Dave: haha.. |
| 12:27.29 | Dave | already do |
| 12:27.31 | Dave | it's lame |
| 12:27.45 | Dave | Aiur is calling! |
| 12:27.53 | lotha1 | I have posted my question here, but no answer :-( |
| 12:28.00 | ike | But I don't think there is a way to run x86 binary on armel. |
| 12:28.03 | ike | Or there is? |
| 12:28.04 | Bubbi | Dave: Snake have been ported.. not that i'm sure how to control it.. It responds oddly to the different movements.. |
| 12:28.08 | XorA | lotha1: you sign an NDA with OM |
| 12:28.14 | zash | Dave: i said that (sc on neo) a long time ago |
| 12:28.26 | Infoport | Dave: nethack on Freerunner? |
| 12:28.32 | zash | Dave: and the answer is "wont work" |
| 12:28.44 | lotha1 | Which gtk-devel version is needed to build matchbox ? |
| 12:29.01 | lotha1 | What about open source - NDA is bad :-) |
| 12:29.03 | zash | Dave: petition blizzard to port it! |
| 12:29.28 | ecraven | dlume is nice! |
| 12:29.31 | zash | would buy |
| 12:30.03 | mbuf | in OM2008.8, when I disconnect a call, it doesn't disconnect fully, until, I have to open dialer again, and hit cancel; anything that I am missing? |
| 12:30.07 | Bubbi | WUHU.. Found the volume control on the media player... alright, so I didn't give up on it :) |
| 12:30.22 | Bubbi | Now it sounds a lot better, when the volume is VERY low :) |
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| 12:30.39 | Bubbi | mbuf: you can call.. ? :O |
| 12:30.54 | mbuf | Bubbi, yes |
| 12:30.58 | Bubbi | I can't even make it ask for a PIN :) |
| 12:31.18 | mbuf | Bubbi, no PIN required for my operator |
| 12:31.29 | Dave | Man, that's pretty hot. |
| 12:31.34 | Bubbi | heh, that sounds dangerous.. |
| 12:32.57 | lotha1 | XorA: Is that right, why must I sign an NDA with OM to develop OSS ? |
| 12:33.10 | XorA | lotha1: no, just to get on #openmoko-devel |
| 12:33.22 | XorA | lotha1: you just need to read the wiki to find out how to develop |
| 12:33.46 | Proton23 | XorA: isn't that only for kernel developers? |
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| 12:34.13 | Dave | Xora, haha, well, aren't WE condescending ;) |
| 12:34.27 | lotha1 | Ahh, I have read the wiki, about setting up the development environment. I simply missing a file in the gtk headers. That 's why my question about the version of gtk. |
| 12:34.54 | XorA | currently OM is using 2.12.X or 2.10.X depending on branch |
| 12:34.59 | Bubbi | Well.. I'm out.. Cya later |
| 12:35.02 | SpeedEvil | openmoko-devel is a place where devs in posession of NDAs may discuss things covered on them lotha1. |
| 12:35.20 | SpeedEvil | openmoko-cdevel is the normal dev place |
| 12:35.36 | Dave | Right, you're not part of the cabal :p |
| 12:36.01 | Dave | Anyhoo, what is responsible for rewriting my resolv.conf everytime the phone reboots? |
| 12:36.11 | Dave | (based on default shipped image) |
| 12:36.16 | XorA | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:36.16 | lotha1 | Ahh, thanks all. Btw, how was it to ask for gtk versions (gtk-config --versio or the like) ? |
| 12:36.59 | Proton23 | does somebody know how to use autotools to generate the necessary files? |
| 12:37.04 | Infoport | hipitihop: still here? I found the list message explaining resolvconf-- http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-August/001437.html |
| 12:37.42 | Dave | grr |
| 12:38.06 | Dave | Ah, right. Thanks Xora :P |
| 12:38.30 | Infoport | Dave: that list msg tells how to stop that. someone the other night said that isn't the "correct" fix, but not details, and it works fine for me |
| 12:38.38 | matholio | Infoport: I tried setting up resolfconf and it didn;t work for me. |
| 12:38.46 | matholio | resolvconf |
| 12:38.53 | Dave | hah |
| 12:38.57 | Dave | what a pain |
| 12:39.20 | matholio | using resolvconf -a usb n.n.n.n |
| 12:39.27 | Infoport | did you use the method from that list msg, editing /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base ? |
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| 12:39.38 | matholio | yes. that too. |
| 12:40.15 | Infoport | matholio: and resolvconf -u ? reboot? |
| 12:40.15 | matholio | and I removed the line from /etc/network/interfaces too |
| 12:40.29 | matholio | weird, becuase it would be a much better way to do it. |
| 12:40.41 | matholio | yep, yep. both. |
| 12:41.13 | lotha1 | Hmm, I have installed libgtk and libgtk-dev in version 2.8.20-7. So I need to update or using the current source version :-( |
| 12:41.14 | matholio | also found some intresting debian threads regarding resolveconf, looks perfect. |
| 12:41.41 | matholio | resolveconf -a <iface> <nameserver> |
| 12:42.08 | matholio | that should do it, but it didn't work. please try I'm thinking about opening a ticket. |
| 12:42.17 | Infoport | matholio: yeah, I thought network interfaces did ok. if that didn't work then I'm not sure. does it just keep wiping resolv.conf out? |
| 12:42.41 | matholio | oh interfaces does do it, but it shouldn;t imo. |
| 12:43.07 | Dave | Man, what is up wit teh gsm today |
| 12:43.15 | Dave | Damn buggy new versions |
| 12:43.28 | matholio | yeah, each boot /var/run/resolv.conf is 192.168.0.200 again. |
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| 12:44.07 | matholio | I have a mangled ASU build so I haven't pursued it further. |
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| 12:44.33 | Dave | Good idea! |
| 12:45.03 | ecraven | nice, exported all my data from bbdb to dlume ;) |
| 12:45.06 | Dave | woot |
| 12:45.13 | Dave | ecraven let me know how it works out |
| 12:45.28 | ecraven | if i could get matchbox-stroke working well, it might even be cool |
| 12:45.43 | bumbl | hmm make fso-image one error after the other |
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| 12:46.06 | bumbl | and kopete won't compile without accessibility support |
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| 12:46.51 | ecraven | hm.. i think writing my own matchbox-stroke config is the best ;) |
| 12:47.04 | Infoport | matholio: I only edited the base file, and it "just worked", but I havent rebuilt ASU, just used release |
| 12:47.41 | Dave | ecraven ;) |
| 12:47.42 | Dave | have fun! :D |
| 12:47.49 | Dave | before your vacation!? You're crazy! |
| 12:48.15 | lotha1 | Ok, it was a first try. I'll need to update some packages or the whole Debian installation. Thanks and bye. |
| 12:48.30 | Dave | Uhh okay. |
| 12:49.28 | weatherhead | anyone advise me which kernel I should use with OM2008.8 |
| 12:49.40 | weatherhead | currently I don't have any wifi... |
| 12:49.44 | Dave | heh |
| 12:49.46 | Dave | update |
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| 12:51.31 | weatherhead | Dave: to which kernel, the latest buildhost one is broken as well, seemingly |
| 12:51.38 | Infoport | hmm, my status icons went away as I installed orrery. KenYoung? |
| 12:51.52 | Dave | I thought there was a fix for that. |
| 12:51.57 | Dave | Infoport, yep! |
| 12:52.03 | Dave | just restart X if you're concerned |
| 12:52.04 | Dave | :p |
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| 12:52.41 | Dave | /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
| 12:52.52 | Infoport | Dave: yeah, that what I'm doing... does installing ipk files usually do that? |
| 12:52.52 | Dave | Joerg! |
| 12:53.01 | Dave | yep |
| 12:53.06 | Dave | sometimes, depends on what it does! |
| 12:53.10 | Dave | black magic! |
| 12:53.47 | jOERG_away | Dave: smae as audio noise: pure voodoo :-( |
| 12:53.57 | Dave | heehee aww |
| 12:54.12 | Dave | Joerg, how come every time I plugin my phone to charge, it deregisters from the gsm network? |
| 12:54.18 | jOERG_away | really pissed off right now |
| 12:54.23 | Dave | :( |
| 12:54.28 | jOERG_away | Dave: hmm strange |
| 12:54.29 | Dave | Joerg, want a hug? |
| 12:54.36 | Infoport | Dave: that's why I want a folding keyboard-- so I don't have to type so many command-line things with that predictive keypad (or worse, the ABC DEF kb) |
| 12:54.36 | jOERG_away | :-) |
| 12:54.39 | Dave | :) |
| 12:55.00 | Dave | hugs joerg |
| 12:55.07 | jOERG_away | me away for some decent dinner |
| 12:55.18 | jOERG_away | smiles |
| 12:55.48 | Infoport | Dave: I want to sit outside, enjoy a cigar, and type on my phone's command line (everything sounds geekier once its out of my head) |
| 12:56.07 | Dave | :) |
| 12:56.26 | Dave | Infoport, apparently! :D |
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| 12:56.30 | hipitihop | Infoport, sorry, back now and reading your link |
| 12:57.26 | Dave | OH NO |
| 12:57.29 | Dave | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 12:57.33 | Dave | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 12:58.05 | Dave | It's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack! |
| 12:58.29 | zash | haha |
| 12:58.58 | hipitihop | says "that cut deep shrek, real deep" |
| 12:59.20 | Dave | The evil pointer bug is back! |
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| 12:59.29 | Dave | Wow, that almost made me want to cry. |
| 12:59.41 | zash | pokes Dave with the EVUL POINTER OF DOOM |
| 12:59.45 | Dave | Then violently stab some developer. |
| 12:59.58 | Infoport | hipitihop: np! did you get it working? if not, those directions worked for me. matholio said he had problems, but may be b/c of odd ASU build |
| 13:00.17 | Dave | I think I'll try to get my mind off it by playing with epiano |
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| 13:01.24 | hipitihop | Infoport, still not working, although that link suggests clean way of doing things, I'm confused why it doesn't work by manually editing resolf.conf |
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| 13:01.29 | Dave | Great, why is the sound not working now. |
| 13:01.33 | Dave | uggh |
| 13:02.20 | Infoport | hipitihop: it should work by editing resolv.conf, UNTIL you reboot and resolvconf overwrites it (because the program resolvconf is now in charge) |
| 13:02.41 | Dave | por Zorkman |
| 13:03.36 | hipitihop | Infoport, that was my understanding too, but I can't get it to work manually either. Once we crack that then making sure things work after reboot will be the goal and I'm sure your link will apply |
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| 13:05.03 | hipitihop | Infoport, I'm suspecting the problem is the dekstop config somehow but I'm not up to speed with hacking iptables or the like to understand what's wrong |
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| 13:05.16 | Infoport | hipitihop: sounds good! remember that you can ping an outside NUMERIC IP to see if you are getting to internet vs whether names are resolved |
| 13:05.24 | Tig| | Infoport: in the asu I am not convinced autoresolv is working correctly as I have inserted data into the head and base config files for it and it is still not generating it using them, infact it is not even putting in the default autoresolv header of #This file is managed by .... " etc etc |
| 13:06.01 | Tig| | meh I meant resolvconf not autoresolv... :) |
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| 13:06.15 | hipitihop | Infoport, yes I realize that and it is not just a nameserver issue afaik, it is something the desktop is doing on not doing to allow the neo past |
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| 13:06.26 | Dave | Speedevil, so do we have any good lines on cheap high-capacity microsd cards? |
| 13:06.51 | Infoport | hipitihop: I use my internal router address for gateway, and didnt hack iptables |
| 13:07.25 | Infoport | Tig| did you reboot or do resolvconf -u ? |
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| 13:07.43 | Tig| | Infoport: rebooted |
| 13:07.51 | xt\fr | ok so who else in here has their phone on irssi and ipv6 ! |
| 13:08.02 | Dave | Hell yeah! |
| 13:08.10 | Dave | high-fives xt |
| 13:08.17 | xt\fr | high-fives Dave |
| 13:08.18 | hipitihop | that's what I did when I had FSO installed, had to update resolv.conf if I rember right and everything just worked, so puzzled now on 2008.8 why it is not working |
| 13:08.59 | Dave | :D |
| 13:09.13 | mickeyl | see what you get for turning your back on fso ;) |
| 13:09.21 | Tig| | I have moved back to FSO from ASU as the keyboard is 5000000 times better and works :) and also FSO talks to my GSM network and the ASU doesn't :) |
| 13:09.49 | hipitihop | Infoport, and since the neo sees the desktop and destop sees the neo and I can ssh into neo, then it's probably not a problem for this list and is more some basic networking issue |
| 13:10.12 | Dave | mickeyl, shush :p |
| 13:10.24 | Tig| | mickeyl: ace work on the FSO :) all I need now is to work out why it keeps dropping of the GSM provider and why none of the wifi guis are working on it :) |
| 13:10.48 | mickeyl | see, zhone is just a glimpse of the beginning. once we have the framework done, there's so much we can do on UI level... |
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| 13:22.03 | Sargun_screen | how do you close applications in ASU? |
| 13:22.17 | zash | Sargun_screen: pkill! |
| 13:22.29 | Infoport | hipitihop: might be gateway? mine uses router internal IP, and desktop just forwards it through automagicaly |
| 13:22.40 | Sargun_screen | seriously? |
| 13:22.50 | DPThought | Sargun_screen: the remove button in the illume dropdown closes the running app (last time i checked) |
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| 13:23.15 | Infoport | Sargun_screen: little arrow at top expands list of running apps, shows tag "Remove" which closes current |
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| 13:24.19 | zash | a red "X" would probably be better and more international |
| 13:24.22 | Infoport | the OM2008.8 "Guide" in the wiki REALLY needs more info, esp since methods changed so much from OM2007 to 2008.8 |
| 13:24.34 | hipitihop | Infoport, my router's internal ip is 192.168.0.1 and that is the gateway for the desktop machine which 192.168.0.4, the neo is currently setup as 192.168.1.202 with desktop usb as 192.168.1.200 |
| 13:24.59 | Infoport | maybe after I've had coffee and a cigar I'll add to the wiki... |
| 13:25.22 | Sargun_screen | Infoport: I'll try it. |
| 13:25.41 | Infoport | hipitihop: in USB networking they have a bit where you put gateway 192.168.0.1(your router number) That did it for me |
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| 13:28.02 | hipitihop | reads USB networking once again |
| 13:29.25 | dns53 | should i post my shell script i use to set up usbnetworking and iptables to the wiki? |
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| 13:30.23 | Infoport | hipitihop: or I thought it was there?? anyway, in /etc/network/interfaces below network 192.168.0.0, put the line gateway 192.168.0.1(for your router) |
| 13:30.56 | hipitihop | neo end ? |
| 13:31.01 | Infoport | hipitihop: maybe they changed it for a better way, but that's what I did |
| 13:32.26 | hipitihop | Infoport, on the neo end the gateway is set to 192.168.1.200 which is the desktop end isn't that needed for neo to see the desktop ? |
| 13:33.01 | Infoport | hipitihop: hmm. wait, maybe its different on OM2008.8... I think I may have two different interfaces files for the two OSes |
| 13:33.51 | hipitihop | Infoport, also afaik there is no terminal on 2008.8 so if I break the connection to desktop I won't be able to ssh in anymore |
| 13:33.58 | Infoport | hipitihop: yes on the neo, but ow I'm thinking I may have used a more complicated setup after wiki updated...let me reboot and look on 2008.8 |
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| 13:34.16 | hipitihop | Infoport, appreciate your time |
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| 13:34.27 | Infoport | hipitihop: there is a terminal, but you have to install it (yeah should have been stock) |
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| 13:34.52 | hipitihop | Infoport, can't install it until I get internet via the usb link to desktop ;-) |
| 13:35.22 | hipitihop | Infoport, unless there is some other linux trick. |
| 13:35.22 | Infoport | hipitihop: aha! actually, you *could* download to desktop, scp over to neo, install, PRESTO! |
| 13:36.04 | dns53 | what i use is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/36833/ it uses iptables to route everything on usb0 to my wifi on ath0 |
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| 13:36.57 | hipitihop | Infoport, happy to try that while your booting into 2008 anyone have link to the opkg file for the 2008.8 terminal ? |
| 13:37.39 | dns53 | i could work it out |
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| 13:38.46 | hipitihop | dns53, is this a script or something in interfaces ? |
| 13:39.18 | dns53 | well you look at your opkg sources for the url's |
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| 13:43.05 | Infoport | hipitihop: well it looks like my 2008.8 uses 192.168.0.200 for the gateway! I thought that didnt work when I got FR with OM2007, but I must have configured IP forwarding/masquerading on the desktop since.(prob b/c of new instructions at wiki) |
| 13:44.23 | hipitihop | Infoport, well at least that is one grey area resolved, so since mine is setup on 192.168.1.200 then it is correct and the answer must be on the desk |
| 13:44.58 | ecraven | hehe, writing strokes.xml is fun! |
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| 13:46.35 | hipitihop | Infoport, what does your resolv.conf have ? |
| 13:47.25 | Infoport | hipitihop: nameserver 192.168.1.(router_ip) |
| 13:48.23 | hipitihop | Infoport, hmm, mine also, must be iptables masq etc on desktop related. checking iptables |
| 13:48.28 | dns53 | i prefer opendns as it will be there if the internet is |
| 13:48.37 | Infoport | hipitihop: I think that URL posted by dns53 has the desktop side that goes with using the .200 IP as gateway |
| 13:49.16 | Infoport | it puts masq in iptables, so I think you're on the right path |
| 13:49.20 | hipitihop | That is something I can try manually via the cli ? |
| 13:49.44 | hipitihop | substituting 192.168.1.x where appropriate |
| 13:49.48 | dns53 | that's what i do, change ath0 to eth0 |
| 13:50.35 | hipitihop | and since I have a current ssh session to my neo then I asume lines 1 and 2 are not necessary |
| 13:50.37 | Infoport | hipitihop: but my home network IS on 192.168.1.#, so only use .1. if yours is too |
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| 13:51.28 | hipitihop | Infoport, damn getting confused again, my home network is on 192.168.0.x including router on 192.168.0.1 |
| 13:52.03 | hipitihop | notes that each time he things hhe's getting the hang of networking, he discovers there's more to know |
| 13:52.04 | dns53 | well my script is based on interfaces so you don't worry about the netmasks |
| 13:53.34 | Infoport | hipitihop: so you shouldn't sub in .1.x, yours will still be .0.x (as your network is) the only .0.x on mine is the usb0 from each side now |
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| 13:54.47 | Infoport | hipitihop: heck, I figured out how to do this last week, and then they changed methods a few days later! that's why one is still using the gateway's address (*last week's* method) |
| 13:55.48 | Infoport | been learning from my mistakes FULL TIME :-D |
| 13:55.52 | KenSentMe | How can i get wifi to work on the 2008.8 image? |
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| 13:57.35 | Infoport | hipitihop: sad thing is, I used to have to manually configure it ALL in the early days of RedHat, but I got rusty |
| 13:58.17 | Infoport | now, most Linux "just works", and those brain cells havent gotten enough exercise XD |
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| 14:01.00 | dns53 | KenSentMe settings > wifi > on > your ap you cannot have usb and wifi at the same time |
| 14:01.01 | hipitihop | dns53, from what I understand iptables changes won't effect existing connection to neo correct ? |
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| 14:01.46 | dns53 | no, your current ssh will work, it just makes a blank rule that everything it recieves is processed in a different way |
| 14:02.11 | Infoport | hipitihop: the iptables stuff in /interfaces on desktop was the least painful part of 2008.8 |
| 14:02.28 | hipitihop | dns53, iow I have an existing ssh session to neo from which I am testing if the neo can get out. Do I need to shut that down and reestablish the ssh session |
| 14:03.08 | KenSentMe | dns53, ah, then that is my problem, had usb on |
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| 14:03.34 | Infoport | hipitihop: check out the stuff in USB networking about SSH *keys* though-- otherwise your desktop might complain that the new key from 2008.8 doesnt match the key it has, for what it sees as the same machine. The solution is to copy the same key over |
| 14:04.07 | KenSentMe | dns53, should i reboot after unplugging usb before using wifi? |
| 14:04.07 | dns53 | hipitihop you should not need to, it is more just blanket rules for when your phone makes a socket out, it does not effect the incoming to the phone |
| 14:04.21 | hipitihop | Infoport, yip no problem there. I occasionaly clear my known.hosts |
| 14:04.24 | dns53 | KenSentMe you don't need to, wait a second |
| 14:04.28 | Infoport | ok, coffee and cigar break! enough eating bandwidth and disk for a bit |
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| 14:04.47 | hipitihop | thanks Infoport |
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| 14:05.54 | hipitihop | dns53, tried your pastebin stuff an dstill no response from neo trying to ping out, only sees desktop...reckecking iptables |
| 14:06.46 | KenSentMe | dns53, wifi is still set to 'unknown' |
| 14:06.47 | dns53 | change ath0 to eth0 |
| 14:07.10 | hipitihop | dns53, chaged to eth1 |
| 14:09.00 | hipitihop | dns53, see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/36842/ |
| 14:09.55 | dns53 | why is your usb0 192.168.1.200? |
| 14:10.06 | dns53 | it should be 192.168.0.200 |
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| 14:10.22 | dns53 | your netmask on your neo would be blocking it |
| 14:10.31 | hipitihop | dns53, because I have been on this channel most of the day and one point someone told me I needed it on a seperate subnet |
| 14:10.37 | ecraven | is there an x keysym that terminals will recognize as "clear this line"? |
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| 14:11.17 | hipitihop | I'll pastebin my neo's interfaces file, standby |
| 14:11.35 | dns53 | hipitihop you need the same subnet for your link between your neo and your computer, it can be easier if your neo and your network are different subnets but not essential |
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| 14:12.42 | hipitihop | dns53, I think I have sunk about 5 hours trying to get this to work so happy for it to work any which way |
| 14:13.42 | dns53 | well if your phone is 1.202 and your usb0 on your computer 1.200 it will work, same wit 0.200 and 0.202 |
| 14:14.09 | hipitihop | dns53, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/36846/ |
| 14:14.57 | hipitihop | dns53, damn I'm glad I'm trying something simple like networking across the usb, wait till I want to get the wifi stuff going ;-) |
| 14:15.46 | hipitihop | dns53, if you need other listing from desktop end just ask |
| 14:15.50 | JeffJohnson | has anybody an link for me howto setup an openmoko sdk? the links in the wiki dont exists anymore.. |
| 14:16.55 | dns53 | so the rest of your network is 192.168.0.* ? |
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| 14:18.28 | hipitihop | dns53, yes, including my routers |
| 14:18.56 | dns53 | try running: iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.1.192/26 |
| 14:20.33 | dns53 | you may have already added lots of routes yourself and may have gotten things confused |
| 14:20.55 | KenSentMe | dns53, i rebooted the phone. Wifi is still set to 'unknown'. Is there some other way to test if it is working or not? |
| 14:20.59 | dns53 | iptables -L to list, and iptables -t nat -L |
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| 14:21.56 | dns53 | KenSentMe unknown means there must be a bug and the device may not be there it works fine for me much of the time but i use the wireless on my laptop and usb |
| 14:22.39 | KenSentMe | dns53, is there a terminal program on the 2008.8 image? |
| 14:24.28 | dns53 | KenSentMe ssh to your box and opkg install openmoko-terminal2 |
| 14:25.03 | hipitihop | dns53, iptables output http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/36851 |
| 14:25.58 | dns53 | you have 2 nat rules, run iptable -t nat - |
| 14:26.21 | dns53 | iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING 1 |
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| 14:28.48 | hipitihop | dns53, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/36853/ |
| 14:29.34 | dns53 | does it work? |
| 14:30.21 | xt | anyone know of any software bluetooth keyboard? |
| 14:30.23 | hipitihop | dns53, nope can't ping www.google.com or router 192.168.0.1 |
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| 14:30.57 | dns53 | xt no but i want one :) |
| 14:31.09 | hipitihop | dns53, but can ping desktop 192.168.0.4 or 192.168.1.200 |
| 14:32.23 | hipitihop | dns53, if it already was not evident, this is a Ubuntu 8.04 desktop/laptop |
| 14:32.45 | SpeedEvil | hipitihop: have you done the NAT setup and forwarding thing on yiour desktop? |
| 14:32.59 | dns53 | that is where we are at |
| 14:33.34 | SpeedEvil | oh - sorry - small window |
| 14:33.39 | hipitihop | SpeedEvil, ditto dns53, it's where we are bogged |
| 14:35.02 | hipitihop | dns53, would my desktop interfaces file help ? |
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| 14:37.34 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9d7eb9572cfc 10/packages/efl1/ (ecore.inc ecore_cvs.bb): [ecore] Fix DEPENDS to make the build deterministic |
| 14:37.34 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re8c57c8226d1 10/packages/efl1/ (evas.inc evas_cvs.bb): [evas] Fix DEPENDS to make the build deterministic |
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| 14:38.21 | Proton23 | JeffJohnson: I think we've got the same problem :) |
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| 14:38.44 | dns53 | i think the netmask on your computer is the problem, try makeing it 255.255.0.0 |
| 14:40.17 | dns53 | what i have, the default phone setup, ip:192.168.0.200, netmask 255.255.255.0, gateway 192.168.0.200 |
| 14:40.38 | hipitihop | on 2008.8 ? |
| 14:41.52 | dns53 | my usb0 on my computer 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.248 |
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| 14:42.19 | dns53 | i have iptables set up to take everyhing on usb0 and forward it to ath0 (or eth0) |
| 14:43.01 | hipitihop | dns53, are you saying I should 'ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.200 netmask 255.255.0.0' ? |
| 14:43.43 | dns53 | maybe, try it, try a netmask of 255.255.255.248 as well |
| 14:44.22 | hipitihop | dns 255.255.255.248 is what I have to run to ping and ssh into the neo |
| 14:45.13 | dns53 | k |
| 14:46.26 | dns53 | i'm going to have to go to bed soon |
| 14:46.51 | hipitihop | dns53, appreciate your help, don't let me keep you up |
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| 14:49.00 | dns53 | the problems you can have is you have the ip ranges and netmasks as well as routing between devices, you need both to work. |
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| 14:57.31 | opendeep | while creating package In .bb file do_install() has this "install -m 0644 ${WORKDIR}/README.txt ${D}${docdir}/pyhelloworld" but after installing package , I couldn't find README.txt |
| 14:58.04 | XorA | its in packagename-doc.ipk |
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| 15:06.40 | joss | hmm, wondering if there are some modules attachable with magnetics for gsm, that can work over bluetooth? |
| 15:07.00 | joss | have found some gps over bluetooth modules |
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| 15:13.16 | opendeep | when I opkg remove <package-name>, it gives No packages removed. what is going on? |
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| 15:13.47 | spdr_ | hmm |
| 15:14.10 | spdr_ | upkg update;upkg upgrade - and failed to download kernel-modules |
| 15:14.13 | spdr_ | any ideas why? :\ |
| 15:14.29 | kd8ikt | because you touch yourself at night |
| 15:14.57 | opendeep | how to use opkg remove? |
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| 15:15.23 | joss | http://www.telecom-store.de/falcom/?gclid=CPSJ_pjLiJUCFQFbtAodb2ACYA something like those, but what interface for connecting? |
| 15:16.26 | spdr_ | kd8ikt, its not mom, its ur uncle here right now, but i'll let her know, perhaps that is really the issue. |
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| 15:19.11 | dbmoodb | hi there ah on 2007.2 how does one export a calendar from the computer to ones phone ? |
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| 15:21.32 | joss | http://www.easydevices.co.uk/pp/GSM_GPRS_Modems/GLOBALSAT_GT703_BLUETOOTH_GSM_GPRS_MODEM.html |
| 15:21.41 | joss | hmm, there is one actually |
| 15:22.11 | joss | quite big to use it as mountable gadget |
| 15:22.18 | dbmoodb | my ipod can do it .. so why can't my linux phone use my calendar ? |
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| 15:23.01 | lindi- | dbmoodb: "a calendar"? |
| 15:23.09 | dbmoodb | yeah dude .ics |
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| 15:23.40 | lindi- | dbmoodb: just run some lighter calendar program then |
| 15:23.47 | dbmoodb | ah ? |
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| 15:24.56 | runnin_free | went outside to get a GPS lock but locations in OM2008.8 couldn't get one. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 15:25.02 | runnin_free | or should I try it with tangoGPS |
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| 15:27.28 | Torikun | anyone using 20080811? |
| 15:28.06 | spydon | Torikun, how do I get that one? :P just opkg update and opkg upgrade? |
| 15:28.12 | Torikun | No |
| 15:28.14 | Torikun | you have to reflash |
| 15:28.29 | spydon | ok |
| 15:28.30 | Torikun | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080811/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 15:28.41 | Pyrasi | Torikun...i am |
| 15:28.42 | spydon | thx |
| 15:28.46 | Torikun | There is a lot of updates this morning |
| 15:28.47 | Torikun | lol |
| 15:28.54 | Pyrasi | I havent updated it today |
| 15:29.01 | XorA | Torikun: 20080811 is probably not what you think it is |
| 15:29.09 | Torikun | Pyrasi: How do you like the new image |
| 15:29.14 | Torikun | I find it more stable and useable |
| 15:29.33 | Torikun | Web Browser still does not work when I connect to Wifi but opkg does |
| 15:29.37 | runnin_free | Torikun, more than friday's release? |
| 15:29.38 | Pyrasi | I like it.....its much more usable for me |
| 15:29.46 | Pyrasi | I got the installer to appera |
| 15:29.46 | Torikun | Way more runnin_free |
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| 15:29.53 | Pyrasi | and terminal/browser |
| 15:29.54 | XorA | is boggled, the buildhost builds are actually working at the moment |
| 15:29.55 | Torikun | I gotta check out the installer |
| 15:29.55 | runnin_free | nice, i'll have to try that out |
| 15:29.57 | Torikun | lol |
| 15:30.08 | Torikun | I hope that all these updates will add to stability |
| 15:30.18 | Torikun | Pidgin works great if I am plugged via USB cable only |
| 15:30.23 | Pyrasi | I was actually chatting on here last night on irc via pidgin via a wireless network on it |
| 15:30.42 | Torikun | How do you get the gui apps to work on wifi |
| 15:30.43 | runnin_free | Pyrasi, pidgin runs? |
| 15:30.56 | Torikun | runnin_free: pidgin works great |
| 15:30.58 | Pyrasi | pidgin runs on all builds |
| 15:31.00 | SpeedEvil | I logged in last year using telnet + gta01 +gprs |
| 15:31.12 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't actually say anything as I couldn't recall teh command :) |
| 15:31.16 | runnin_free | i did not know that, do you have to compile it or is there an ipk |
| 15:31.17 | Pyrasi | just get the scaredycat repo and type opkg install pidgin |
| 15:31.21 | runnin_free | ah |
| 15:31.25 | Torikun | dosbox works good 2 |
| 15:31.26 | Torikun | lol |
| 15:31.29 | zash | SpeedEvil: what, no netcat? |
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| 15:31.39 | Pyrasi | i havent tried dosbox.....can you run anything useful with it? |
| 15:31.46 | Torikun | I just ran dosbox |
| 15:31.46 | Torikun | lol |
| 15:31.47 | spdr_ | XorA, buildhost working? |
| 15:31.56 | zash | SpeedEvil: lol, but what protocol? |
| 15:31.58 | Torikun | There is a lot of updates today spdr_ on buildhost |
| 15:32.03 | spdr_ | i saw |
| 15:32.07 | Pyrasi | the one complaint i have with it is that it is slower than 2008.8.....especially at resuming |
| 15:32.12 | spdr_ | but it failed to download kernel modules |
| 15:32.13 | XorA | spdr_: its in the middle of a build |
| 15:32.15 | spdr_ | for some reason |
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| 15:32.21 | spdr_ | oh, that explains it :) |
| 15:32.26 | Torikun | Yeagh. Ileft the phone on standby all night and I have no battery left |
| 15:32.30 | XorA | spdr_: another hour or so and all feed indexes should be current again |
| 15:32.33 | Torikun | Standby is a killer |
| 15:32.44 | spdr_ | XorA, cool, thanks |
| 15:32.46 | Pyrasi | it takes almost too long to resume when a call came in to get the call |
| 15:32.47 | zogs | so 20080811 run fine? |
| 15:32.53 | Torikun | Yes |
| 15:32.55 | Pyrasi | works pretty well for me |
| 15:32.56 | SpeedEvil | zash: telnet |
| 15:33.01 | Torikun | zogs: Way better stability |
| 15:33.02 | Torikun | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080811/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 15:33.05 | SpeedEvil | zash: telnet to irc.freenode.com irc |
| 15:33.20 | SpeedEvil | zash: and you can use IRC - though you have to do all of the client-side stuff yourself. |
| 15:33.20 | Pyrasi | i overwrote the .edje file with one from the old ASU builds....so i have the black background and qwerty button |
| 15:33.20 | zash | SpeedEvil: sic! |
| 15:33.34 | zogs | gsm and pin_dialog run fine? |
| 15:33.35 | SpeedEvil | zash: it's basically possible and annoying. |
| 15:33.43 | zash | SpeedEvil: but, sic! |
| 15:33.54 | dbmoodb | ok forget what i said -- the phone updates the calendar from the ics files -- but only on reboot |
| 15:34.00 | zash | SpeedEvil: http://www.suckless.org/programs/sic.html |
| 15:34.11 | zash | also, ii is coul |
| 15:34.42 | Pyrasi | Torikun: the installer is already on your phone....if you want to see it, just goto /usr/share/applications/ and open the assassin.desktop file and edit the "Categories:" part to say something like "Categories:Office;" instead of what it does |
| 15:34.55 | Torikun | ah |
| 15:35.16 | Pyrasi | its set to appear in the config menu by default ....but for some reason i cant get the little wrench to goto the config menu to appear |
| 15:35.48 | Pyrasi | i also like the full qwerty keyboard with the 20080811 image....much easier for terminal use. |
| 15:35.52 | Torikun | Yes |
| 15:36.03 | Torikun | if you hold the keyboard you can really zoom in |
| 15:36.07 | Torikun | and select your key acuratly |
| 15:36.09 | Torikun | it's cool |
| 15:36.13 | zogs | full qwerty..cool |
| 15:36.26 | zash | tss, i want full dvorak |
| 15:36.33 | Pyrasi | Torikun....have you noticed it being considerably slower than 2008.8 though? |
| 15:36.37 | zogs | y0y0 I try it |
| 15:36.41 | Torikun | I think it is faster |
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| 15:36.56 | Torikun | Settings loads slower , that is the only downside so far |
| 15:37.05 | zogs | Torikun: gsm adn pin_dialog work fine? |
| 15:37.07 | Pyrasi | I dont mean with the programs |
| 15:37.19 | Torikun | Boot seems faster |
| 15:37.22 | Torikun | zogs: what do you mean |
| 15:37.40 | Pyrasi | i mean like animations and resume are slower. I think its because this build is not using that xglamo library |
| 15:37.54 | Torikun | ah |
| 15:38.22 | zogs | pin_dialog and SD problem <- https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1765 |
| 15:38.25 | Pyrasi | however....definately much more stable. The calls even sound good by default i noticed....didnt have to edit the gsmhandset file |
| 15:38.32 | Torikun | Yup |
| 15:38.37 | Torikun | and I was able to reeive calls |
| 15:38.45 | Torikun | sim card works |
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| 15:39.01 | Pyrasi | oh does the sim get remounted to /media/card after suspend? i didnt even check that |
| 15:39.10 | Torikun | dunno |
| 15:39.14 | Pyrasi | s/sim/sd card/gi |
| 15:39.14 | XorA | sim isnt mounted anywhere |
| 15:39.18 | XorA | :-D |
| 15:39.30 | SpeedEvil | There are SIMs with mass-storage on them. |
| 15:39.43 | gargoyle_grin | Wait... No. It's mounted on the back just under the battery. ;) |
| 15:39.58 | Pyrasi | gpe-filemanager is pretty nice |
| 15:39.58 | XorA | SpeedEvil: there are SIM's inside SD cards :-) |
| 15:40.15 | Torikun | There is a gtk image for 20080812, but no Qtopia yet |
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| 15:40.30 | XorA | Torikun: its building right now |
| 15:40.37 | Torikun | ah |
| 15:40.39 | XorA | Torikun: I can see it in my console :-) |
| 15:40.49 | Torikun | XorA: How can I upgrade without reimaging |
| 15:41.23 | XorA | Torikun: when build finished opkg upgrade should work |
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| 15:41.29 | Infoport | let me say... Orrey rocks! I can only make out the sun right now, but another thing to make me stay up late :-D |
| 15:41.39 | Infoport | Orrery |
| 15:42.09 | Pyrasi | hmmm.....doesnt look like the sd card getting mounted to the wrong place is fixed yet....i wish it would get fixed already...its kinda annoying |
| 15:42.24 | XorA | Pyrasi: where is it getting mounted? |
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| 15:43.31 | Pyrasi | which makes since....because that is default.....but i wish it would just stay in the same place.....either get rid of /media/card on first boot or keep it there |
| 15:44.00 | Infoport | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Orrery next step is for KenYoung to let it get the dir you are facing from GPS movement (optionally, so it doesn't swing around from drift or without your intent) |
| 15:44.08 | XorA | Pyrasi: it moves from /media/card to /media/mmcblk0p1?? |
| 15:44.13 | Pyrasi | yes |
| 15:44.21 | XorA | Pyrasi: ok cool, I can look into that |
| 15:44.22 | Pyrasi | after resume. |
| 15:44.40 | XorA | I dont tend to suspend much as it seems to fuckup more often than not on my beta hardware |
| 15:45.10 | Pyrasi | cool. Thanks for checking it out. |
| 15:45.23 | kd8ikt | suspend works fine for me... except resume i keep getting that white screen of death |
| 15:45.28 | Torikun | The battery will die faster XorA |
| 15:46.51 | XorA | Torikun: I have a whole pile of batteries :-) |
| 15:47.24 | Torikun | lol |
| 15:47.44 | kd8ikt | nice solution you got there |
| 15:47.53 | Torikun | should wifi be turned off to save energy before batter goes into standby |
| 15:48.42 | Infoport | JeffJohnson: did you get an answer about link that *used* to be on wiki? If you know where it was, you can click the History tab on that page and go through older copies of the page |
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| 15:51.42 | runnin_free | Torikun, is today's release better at handling qtopia apps after suspend? I'm running friday's and all the qtopia apps are slow as hell after suspend |
| 15:51.46 | Infoport | sapres kit gives you two extra FIC batteries, nice OM soft case and headphones :thumbup: |
| 15:52.09 | Torikun | runnin_free: I think 20080811 is great. Everything working fine except for my wifi issue |
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| 15:52.22 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.32 | Torikun | 200808 was crap in my opinion runnin_free |
| 15:52.53 | Torikun | *20080808 |
| 15:52.58 | runnin_free | yeah |
| 15:53.21 | Torikun | I ws thinking about going back to qtopia until I tried 20080811 |
| 15:53.35 | runnin_free | sweet, i'll give it a try :) |
| 15:53.47 | runnin_free | my experience with 20080808 wasn't so bad though |
| 15:53.57 | Torikun | lol |
| 15:55.22 | Torikun | boy clusters are loud! |
| 15:55.41 | Infoport | Pyrasi: you could buy the spares kit and sell the OpenMoko soft pouch to someone/on ebay...I thought it was rather cool (but of course wanted extra batteries too) |
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| 15:56.18 | Infoport | Torikun: and stick in your teeth :-P |
| 15:56.29 | Torikun | lol |
| 15:56.33 | Torikun | 2 different kinds but haha |
| 15:56.33 | Torikun | lol |
| 15:58.05 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.28 | Infoport | Torikun there was a Linux journal article a bit back on a lunchbox size cluster, take your Beowulf on the train :-D |
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| 15:58.49 | Torikun | lol |
| 15:58.57 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.15 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.17 | Torikun | Sad that clusters do not do what I want =( |
| 15:59.42 | XorA | buildhost finished building for today |
| 15:59.46 | Infoport | KenYoung does need to unmark Orrery from "Office" apps-- stargazing at work is usually only encouraged at observatories |
| 16:00.01 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.12 | XorA | Pyrasi: nothing since yesterday I think |
| 16:00.25 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.27 | XorA | the feeds are complete again though, or should be |
| 16:00.36 | Torikun | XorA: I can update now? |
| 16:00.37 | XorA | hopes they worked |
| 16:00.46 | XorA | Torikun: if there is anything to update yes |
| 16:01.09 | Infoport | Pyrasi: hey! a moko cluster that *calls* for more nodes when needed? hmm... |
| 16:01.23 | zash | Infoport: do it1 |
| 16:01.24 | DaveLab | Xora! |
| 16:01.27 | Chox | Dave! |
| 16:01.40 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.41 | Chox | imagine a beowulf cluster of those! |
| 16:01.42 | zash | Infoport: or .. wakeonlan |
| 16:01.44 | DaveLab | Infoport: yeah I did that |
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| 16:01.48 | DaveLab | moved from PIM into Apps |
| 16:01.51 | Torikun | <--uses Beowulf everyday |
| 16:01.52 | Torikun | lol |
| 16:01.55 | DaveLab | CHOX |
| 16:02.26 | XorA | Pyrasi: they are some of the ASU stuff merged with OE updates |
| 16:02.34 | XorA | Pyrasi: they lag behind ASU at the moment |
| 16:02.36 | Torikun | No updates! What a disgrace! j/k |
| 16:02.51 | DaveLab | xora, did you by chance happen to move some of the om stuff around on buildhost last night? |
| 16:03.24 | Infoport | DaveLab: already?? cool! I'll reinstall, orrery is sweet (I've already impressed ppl with it after installing earlier this morning) |
| 16:03.42 | XorA | DaveLab: last night there was a partial build |
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| 16:06.05 | Torikun | XorA: should i reflash to 20080812? |
| 16:06.14 | Torikun | or did opkg take care of that |
| 16:06.25 | XorA | Torikun: an opkg upgrade should be the same thing |
| 16:06.26 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.42 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.50 | Torikun | the time stamp still says 11 aug for time stamp |
| 16:06.55 | Tig| | has anyone got the illume keyboard from the FSO image running on the ASU yet? |
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| 16:07.43 | Torikun | XorA: Under settings, the time stamp still says 11Aug 2008 |
| 16:07.54 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.14 | Tig| | Pyrasi: damn :( |
| 16:09.01 | XorA | Torikun: that file wont change |
| 16:09.06 | Torikun | Ah |
| 16:09.08 | Zero_Dogg | how about the multitap pad? Is it possible to use that under 200808? |
| 16:09.18 | XorA | there is no 200808 |
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| 16:09.46 | XorA | and at the moment the stuff on buildhost is a bit random due to two big merges from OE.dev and ASU.dev |
| 16:09.55 | XorA | we need to stabilise it and fix it up a little |
| 16:10.14 | XorA | FSO and ASU are both putting things into the image, hence the colourful background |
| 16:10.28 | Zero_Dogg | but, in ASU then, will it be possible to use the multitap pad? |
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| 16:10.59 | Infoport | note-- to get orrery under Applications and *not* PIM, opkg remove orrery first, then install newer ipk package |
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| 16:11.15 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:11.48 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.54 | XorA | Pyrasi: no |
| 16:12.01 | wyeager | does anyone out there have known good alsa state files? I seem to have messed up mine. |
| 16:12.05 | XorA | Pyrasi: just some odds and ends leaked into the image like the illume theme |
| 16:12.43 | Infoport | the BIG confusion is that OM2007 has a 20080808 build, but OM2008.8 is the different, new OS |
| 16:12.46 | XorA | wyeager: reinstall openmoko-alsa-scenarios |
| 16:13.04 | wyeager | thanks! |
| 16:13.08 | XorA | Infoport: as the topic says 200808 just means August to the buildhost |
| 16:13.42 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.46 | Infoport | XorA I know, just trying to avoid saying RTFM |
| 16:14.01 | XorA | RTFT :-) |
| 16:14.12 | Infoport | Pyrasi install illume-something CONFIG |
| 16:14.32 | Zero_Dogg | XorA: sorry, but will ASU have a multitap pad like the one shipped with 2007, or just the predictive and keyboard from qtopia? |
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| 16:15.23 | XorA | Zero_Dogg: no idea, thats upto the designers |
| 16:15.38 | Zero_Dogg | XorA: right, thanks. fingers crossed then |
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| 16:16.18 | DaveLab | crap |
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| 16:16.35 | DaveLab | Xora, I was disappointed because I set mokomakefile to build 2007 last night |
| 16:16.49 | DaveLab | and when I came back this morning, wouldn't you know, it failed early into the build process :( |
| 16:16.56 | XorA | :-( |
| 16:17.10 | DaveLab | NOTE: package glibc-2.6.1: failed |
| 16:17.27 | admiral0 | hello to everybody.. i want a opinion on FSO M2 |
| 16:17.28 | DaveLab | It failed 637 of 7057 :\ |
| 16:17.35 | admiral0 | what do you think |
| 16:17.38 | admiral0 | ? |
| 16:18.01 | Tig| | admiral0: well phone works, sms ropey, keyboard wonderful, gps works out of the box |
| 16:18.05 | DaveLab | All it tells me is that localedef returned an error. |
| 16:18.29 | admiral0 | Tig|: if i put it instead of 2007.02? |
| 16:18.31 | XorA | DaveLab: hmm, thats normally a problem with qemu on your system |
| 16:18.32 | Sup3rkiddo | anyone who has commit access to the fso git here could do me a lil favour?.... |
| 16:18.37 | DaveLab | Xora, qemu? |
| 16:18.54 | XorA | DaveLab: arm emulator used to run localdef |
| 16:19.00 | DaveLab | right |
| 16:19.04 | XorA | DaveLab: got the full error you can pastebin? |
| 16:19.07 | DaveLab | I was just wasn't aware that it ran under qemu |
| 16:19.09 | DaveLab | Xora sure |
| 16:19.19 | XorA | btw are you one of these fedora people? |
| 16:19.40 | DaveLab | fedora people? |
| 16:19.54 | XorA | DaveLab: run Fedora Core or Redhat Enterprise |
| 16:19.56 | DaveLab | hides |
| 16:20.07 | JeffJohnson | Infoport: no I didn't get any answers, http://oe.linuxtogo.org/ is under maintenance, where the howto resides.. But about the SDK VM i dont know anything :) seems that I must setup an on my own |
| 16:20.17 | DaveLab | Xora, I'm a debian person, but I just happened to be compiling on a fc box -_-; |
| 16:20.35 | XorA | DaveLab: that explains it then, there is a bad patch in fedora kernel that buggers qemu |
| 16:20.44 | DaveLab | fuck |
| 16:20.53 | XorA | there is a workaround gimme a secx |
| 16:20.58 | DaveLab | Xora, that's strange since make qemu works fine on it... |
| 16:21.00 | DaveLab | oh well |
| 16:21.02 | DaveLab | okay! |
| 16:21.07 | DaveLab | yeah, shitty work computers |
| 16:21.30 | XorA | ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" in local.conf |
| 16:21.35 | Chox | muh |
| 16:21.38 | Chox | shitty home computers |
| 16:21.45 | XorA | image will take a few secs longer to boot, but will work |
| 16:21.48 | Chox | can't play hulu.com full screen |
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| 16:22.16 | Chox | ok, $20 to the first person to get FR to stream Netflix movies. |
| 16:22.16 | DaveLab | Xora, okay... |
| 16:22.49 | XorA | anyway I finished my working day :-) |
| 16:22.58 | Infoport | Chox is 7-10 FPS enough? ;-) |
| 16:23.18 | Chox | Infoport: 12 would be good enough. |
| 16:23.19 | DaveLab | Xora, see ya :) |
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| 16:23.32 | DaveLab | I believe it is now time to pester Chox :D |
| 16:23.36 | Chox | wheeeee |
| 16:23.44 | DaveLab | >:) |
| 16:23.56 | DaveLab | FR to stream netflix movies? hah! |
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| 16:24.03 | Chox | heh, why not? ;-) |
| 16:24.04 | Infoport | Chox I think the big problem would be DRM from Netflix, pretty sure they dont even support Linux desktop |
| 16:24.24 | Chox | true, but the Roku box has a degree of hackability. |
| 16:24.33 | Chox | that's MIPS of course, but in priciple, it could be done. |
| 16:25.09 | DaveLab | Chox, so have you been gaming on your freerunner much? |
| 16:25.21 | Chox | barely touched it in the last week |
| 16:25.26 | Chox | TBH |
| 16:25.33 | KenSentMe | Hi, i installed 2008.8 image. However it isnt able to connect to the gsm network, the phone is not registered. Is that a known problem and is there a solution? |
| 16:25.59 | Chox | is waiting for power saving to improve a bit, plus I have some other projects to complete |
| 16:26.05 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. |
| 16:26.11 | Chox | spanks Speedy |
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| 16:26.38 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.47 | Chox | buh. |
| 16:27.12 | DaveLab | muh. |
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| 16:28.40 | DaveLab | whee. |
| 16:29.05 | Chox | anyway, there's a cramfs of the roku box rootfs you can download and poke at. Although to date, no one's figured out how to get into the box in any useful way |
| 16:29.10 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: fudge'em |
| 16:30.07 | zedstar | speedevil some battery questions for u (i know u luv em)... how intensive do u think bluetooth scanning for devices is compared to say wifi scanning..any idea? |
| 16:30.26 | SpeedEvil | very little |
| 16:30.35 | SpeedEvil | wifi is hideously expensive. |
| 16:30.43 | SpeedEvil | bluetooth is designed to be low power. |
| 16:30.56 | SpeedEvil | I don't have hard figures to hand - I'd expect 10% |
| 16:31.05 | Chox | if FR can play 640x480 WMV "reasonably", then the rest is haxxing the DRM silliness |
| 16:31.05 | zedstar | speedevil right....so leaving a bluetooth scanner on not gonna hurt so much compared to wifi scanner |
| 16:31.16 | zogs | where I find FS0 M2 gta02-rootfs? |
| 16:31.44 | bumbl | downloads.openmoko.org/releases |
| 16:32.03 | Tig| | zogs: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ |
| 16:32.24 | KenSentMe | Anyone know how i can find out why my phone doesnt register to the network? |
| 16:32.37 | Tig| | KenSentMe: which stack? |
| 16:32.39 | zogs | I can see gta02-rootfs.summary |
| 16:32.46 | KenSentMe | Tig|, 2008.8 |
| 16:32.52 | cjb | KenSentMe: run libgsmd-tool shell, see what it complains about |
| 16:32.55 | cjb | or look at a GSM log |
| 16:33.01 | Chox | huh on FR is a different problem. That's really intensive on a PC due to the high res and flash requirements. But it's really just FLV. If the stream can be grabbed (might be hard), then you might be able to FR those. |
| 16:33.07 | Chox | s/huh/hulu.com/ |
| 16:33.20 | Tig| | zogs: the jff.summary is the one you want |
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| 16:33.48 | KenSentMe | cjb, where can i find the logs, /var/log/ doesnt show a gsm log |
| 16:34.15 | Chox | has a knack of setting hard problems for himself :o |
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| 16:34.47 | zogs | Tig|: thanks |
| 16:34.54 | zedstar | speedevil u got any idea to power consumption difference of say leaving bluetooth on and having it actually scan for devices |
| 16:35.20 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 16:36.19 | KenSentMe | cjb, should gsmd be installed? It isnt at the moment |
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| 16:36.37 | Chox | gsmd. hah. |
| 16:36.39 | zedstar | speedevil ok np |
| 16:37.06 | SpeedEvil | I may measure it tomorrow if I remember. |
| 16:37.10 | SpeedEvil | poke me. |
| 16:37.31 | Chox | enpoken |
| 16:37.49 | zedstar | speedevil ok great thanks....i would like to be able to leave a scanner on all the time if it doesnt have to much impact compared to just leaving BT on |
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| 16:41.19 | admiral0 | Signature check failed in opkg.. What should i do? |
| 16:41.24 | Chox | ignore it. |
| 16:42.03 | admiral0 | i could ignore it, but i can't opkg update |
| 16:43.22 | admiral0 | ops |
| 16:43.35 | admiral0 | bad address of repo |
| 16:43.49 | admiral0 | where are the repos for neo1973 |
| 16:43.51 | admiral0 | ? |
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| 16:46.18 | Blalien | Which distro can I use best? If I want to call people. |
| 16:48.08 | zedstar | call people? u want the moon on a stick ;) |
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| 16:48.42 | Hobart | next you'll want to be able to set a ring tone |
| 16:48.50 | Hobart | or use wifi :D |
| 16:49.21 | Blalien | Yeah I know I'm asking to much. I have to be asking for a working OS :P |
| 16:50.02 | Sargun | Yay, so close to ASU image: NOTE: Running task 4203 of 4652 (ID: 1555, /home/openmoko/funspace/asu/openembedded/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb, do_fetch) |
| 16:54.38 | Chox | Dave: dammit, you promised harrassment |
| 16:55.17 | Chox | goes away again |
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| 17:03.54 | Infoport | zedstar, how about moon on an openmoko? https://projects.openmoko.org/projects/orrery/ :-D |
| 17:04.28 | zedstar | moons Infoport |
| 17:04.33 | zedstar | yeh looks good that! |
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| 17:04.53 | kd8ikt | wtf |
| 17:05.12 | Infoport | zedstar, if you have the same "computer tan" as me, that's probably blinding :-D |
| 17:05.34 | lindi- | b_lindi_ng indeed :P |
| 17:05.39 | zedstar | Infoport lol eclipsing the sun |
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| 17:08.31 | DaveLab | haha |
| 17:08.53 | DaveLab | leaves a cold six-pack waiting for xora |
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| 17:11.45 | Infoport | ok, off to rest and refuel! (refresh, reboot, renew) |
| 17:12.24 | DaveLab | reflash? :P |
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| 17:17.06 | peter__b | hi |
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| 17:17.25 | peter__b | does anyone know how i casn tell the mokomakefile to refetch the sources ? |
| 17:17.40 | kd8ikt | delete it from the sources dir |
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| 17:18.10 | DaveLab | peterb, make update ? |
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| 17:18.41 | DaveLab | 3 - To update the Openmoko repository checkout and the MokoMakefile patches to the latest version: |
| 17:18.44 | DaveLab | make update |
| 17:18.58 | DaveLab | or to rebuild a new image with the latest updates: make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image |
| 17:19.10 | kd8ikt | thats not the same as fetching the tarball |
| 17:19.18 | kd8ikt | FAIL |
| 17:19.21 | DaveLab | \o/ |
| 17:19.25 | DaveLab | boards |
| 17:19.36 | peter__b | i ran into this python log error |
| 17:20.37 | Chox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.06 | Chox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:22.29 | kd8ikt | hopes if you are pasting you do it in the right place (namely a pastebin server) unless you can summarize it in one line |
| 17:23.21 | kd8ikt | openembedded/source/ |
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| 17:23.25 | DaveLab | Arachnichox |
| 17:23.27 | KenSentMe | I still cant make a phonecall because my phone cant get registered. cjb told me to try libgsmd-tool or see the logs, libgsmd-tool cant be found/installed and where should the log be? |
| 17:23.45 | kd8ikt | what build are you using? |
| 17:23.59 | KenSentMe | kd8ikt, sorry, 2008.8 |
| 17:27.16 | peter__b | damn |
| 17:27.24 | DaveLab | woot, I'm 1/100th of the way there! |
| 17:27.26 | peter__b | subversion from svn wont compilt |
| 17:27.53 | DaveLab | oh, for a moment there I thought that statement was hilarious |
| 17:28.11 | KenSentMe | I installed the libgsmd-tools package now, and run libgsmd-tool, nothing happens |
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| 17:30.21 | peter__b | which svn version are you guys using for the mokomakefile ? |
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| 17:32.54 | KenSentMe | Isnt there some syslog in the 2008.8 build? |
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| 17:37.14 | kd8ikt | i have two diff mokomakefile dir, one for OM2007 one for FSO |
| 17:37.36 | kd8ikt | though i'm starting to believe only one is needed |
| 17:37.53 | kd8ikt | and i'm wasteing space |
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| 17:41.39 | kd8ikt | anyone toy with bzflag yet? |
| 17:41.42 | CVirus | Can pure Qtopia do suspend/resume reliably ? |
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| 17:42.28 | kd8ikt | compiled the pkgz last night so i guess i'll install it and find out here in a sec |
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| 18:34.18 | ace-- | has anyone got a vnc server running on their phone? |
| 18:34.44 | mjr | I used x11vnc once upon a time to demo stuff in presentations |
| 18:34.52 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r1aca092e0083 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): odevapi: document first version of org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio |
| 18:34.53 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.10 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.14 | lindi- | ace--: why do you ask? |
| 18:35.16 | ace-- | hehe pyr :) |
| 18:35.24 | ace-- | for a presentation :) |
| 18:35.35 | ace-- | if someone has a binary no need for me to get it to cross compile |
| 18:35.41 | ace-- | mjr you still have it ? |
| 18:36.02 | mjr | ace--, I used an x11vnc from the repos, they had it then, not sure about what's the current situation |
| 18:36.55 | mjr | (don't have it anymore) |
| 18:36.55 | ace-- | ah can't seem to find it in the repository |
| 18:37.18 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.20 | mjr | this was last year, might've dropped :/ |
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| 18:37.26 | mjr | maybe |
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| 18:40.09 | lindi- | ace--: apt-get install x11vnc |
| 18:40.12 | lindi- | hides |
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| 18:40.55 | Torikun | what is the vnc server for the phone called? |
| 18:41.13 | Torikun | *package name |
| 18:41.14 | kd8ikt | real men use X11 |
| 18:41.32 | kd8ikt | cause it can do that same thing vnc does |
| 18:41.48 | kd8ikt | :P oh god noes but you have to read man pages |
| 18:42.06 | lindi- | it doesn't handle tcp connections that break :) |
| 18:42.19 | kd8ikt | my connections never break |
| 18:42.32 | mjr | X11 won't give you a mirror of the phone UI on the laptop where you're doing the presentation |
| 18:43.30 | ace-- | exactly, i've been using export display, but for the presentation i was asked to show the entire phone ui |
| 18:43.52 | lindi- | kd8ikt: my gprs connection breaks often :) |
| 18:44.01 | Torikun | When will the phone charge in suspend! |
| 18:44.05 | kd8ikt | your service provider sux |
| 18:44.10 | ace-- | can't seem to find it in angstrom or scardeycat |
| 18:44.18 | mjr | 'course, you _can_ run the whole phone ui remotely with X11. If you forego that it's actually on the phone as well. And tune stuff. |
| 18:44.54 | lindi- | i'm probably biased since i do everything under vnc |
| 18:45.02 | lindi- | (both at work and home) |
| 18:45.07 | Torikun | I do everything with RDP |
| 18:45.32 | Torikun | j/k |
| 18:45.47 | lindi- | i haven't found any free rdp server that'd be in debian yet |
| 18:46.06 | Sargun | Any idea how to fix: (opkg update): * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.sig, error 404 |
| 18:46.18 | Torikun | Sargun ignore sigs for now the devs said |
| 18:46.19 | Pjj | hm default openmoko image vs 2008.08 which would win? |
| 18:46.31 | Torikun | Pjj: the 20080811 is the best |
| 18:46.37 | Sargun | Torikun, how do I make opkg ignore them? |
| 18:46.42 | Torikun | You can not |
| 18:46.50 | Torikun | Just ignore the error |
| 18:46.53 | Torikun | they will fix later |
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| 18:47.02 | Sargun | hah |
| 18:47.03 | Sargun | gah |
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| 18:47.14 | Pjj | ok Torikun :) |
| 18:47.20 | Torikun | lol |
| 18:47.28 | Torikun | dam what is the vnc server package named |
| 18:47.38 | undrwater | Sargun: make your brain ignore them ;) |
| 18:48.13 | undrwater | Torikun: 20080811 looks like 2008.8 or like updated 2007? |
| 18:48.27 | Torikun | updated 2008.8 |
| 18:48.38 | undrwater | Torikun: teakettle i believe |
| 18:48.43 | Torikun | wow |
| 18:48.46 | Torikun | I have my phone over vnc |
| 18:48.46 | undrwater | keypebble |
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| 18:49.15 | undrwater | looks good? |
| 18:49.18 | Torikun | yup |
| 18:49.38 | Torikun | easier to use he he |
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| 18:49.47 | LetoTo | 20080811 is better then original FSO? |
| 18:49.51 | Torikun | Yes |
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| 18:49.57 | undrwater | Torikun: are you getting a correct battery level now? or still lightning bolt? |
| 18:50.05 | LetoTo | cool. should flash then |
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| 18:50.21 | Torikun | I get the bolt undrwater when I have it plugged in |
| 18:50.29 | Torikun | in suspend mode, no charge |
| 18:50.34 | undrwater | Torikun: and when it's unplugged? |
| 18:50.45 | Torikun | black screen when inplugged |
| 18:50.51 | undrwater | :O |
| 18:51.04 | Torikun | it needs to chage in standby! |
| 18:51.09 | undrwater | that's not better! |
| 18:51.22 | te_acrid | why is 20080811 better than original FSO? |
| 18:51.26 | undrwater | so it doesn't show battery level? |
| 18:51.28 | Torikun | more stable and useable |
| 18:51.31 | Torikun | it shows the battery level |
| 18:51.36 | Torikun | when the charge is not plugged in |
| 18:51.59 | undrwater | ok...that's what i was asking...how about wifi gui? still show 'unknown'? |
| 18:52.21 | Kev_ | but 20080811 has a lot of features missing that 2008.8 have |
| 18:52.38 | Kev_ | wifi gui is ok, but that's the only thing... |
| 18:53.48 | Kev_ | no lock when pressing AUX, no suspend when pressing PowerButton, no gui installer, no locations (have another name)... |
| 18:54.03 | undrwater | diversity-nav |
| 18:54.13 | Kev_ | yes |
| 18:54.36 | undrwater | Torikun: have you tested suspend? |
| 18:55.14 | Kev_ | automatic suspend works, but no "now go in suspend button" |
| 18:55.39 | undrwater | ahh...i like the button |
| 18:55.48 | Kev_ | instead of 20080811 you can also use 20080812, it's nearly the same with some fixes |
| 18:55.52 | Kev_ | yes, me too |
| 18:55.56 | undrwater | software button would be fine too |
| 18:56.39 | Pjj | what does 20080811 or 20080812 look like? screenshot or something |
| 18:56.51 | Kev_ | like 2008.8... |
| 18:57.09 | Kev_ | but less installed and the installer at the buttom is missing |
| 18:57.27 | Kev_ | but there is a background image.. |
| 18:57.48 | Kev_ | ah.. and don't use the newest kernel, usb networking isn't working with it |
| 18:58.09 | Kev_ | äh.. witch background image, I mean a picture :) |
| 18:58.14 | Kev_ | witch=with |
| 18:59.10 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.17 | ace-- | got it :) |
| 18:59.31 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.34 | ace-- | it was in some repository somewhere |
| 18:59.47 | ace-- | added a bunch and finally one had it :) |
| 18:59.56 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.03 | Kev_ | 2 more things are different, in 200808XX, you have to manual install glamo for accelerated 2D graphic but you have out of the box a better keyboard :) |
| 19:00.24 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:00.45 | Kev_ | it's a package but the name is a little bit different |
| 19:00.54 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.09 | Kev_ | I just tried the newest kernel in the hope that usb networking works, but doesn't so I can't search at the moment |
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| 19:01.25 | McKael | neo1973 gsm version froze uboot really hard |
| 19:01.34 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.42 | Kev_ | you find it with "opkg list|grep glamo", its the one without doc and dev and dbg and so one, something like glamo-kdrive or so.. |
| 19:01.55 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.57 | DaveLab | So, what's the latest? |
| 19:02.14 | Kev_ | latest? |
| 19:02.18 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.25 | Kev_ | ah I will try, moment |
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| 19:02.53 | Kev_ | with reboot, you mean hard power off and power on? there seem no way to shut it down? |
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| 19:04.29 | Torikun | undrwater: I suspend every 10 seconds |
| 19:04.30 | Torikun | works |
| 19:04.32 | Kev_ | there isn't a terminal... |
| 19:04.39 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.05 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.07 | Kev_ | yes, I have here a new image... without usb networking no terminal, without terminal no reboot :) |
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| 19:05.16 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.42 | DaveLab | Joerg :( |
| 19:05.57 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.12 | DaveLab | My batteries are wearing pretty badly. |
| 19:06.30 | Kev_ | ah, you are right, after an reboot, usb-networking does the job :) |
| 19:06.35 | DaveLab | throws exploding battiers at ieatlint |
| 19:06.50 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.03 | kd8ikt | english please dave |
| 19:07.21 | Kev_ | Pyrasi, did you noticed the qwerty text-button on the top? |
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| 19:07.32 | Kev_ | doesn't that bring the illume keyboard back? |
| 19:07.43 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.52 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.02 | kd8ikt | or C if you can handle that printf("english please") |
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| 19:08.21 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.41 | kd8ikt | printf("or is it more like this?\n") |
| 19:09.36 | Kev_ | I don't know what you mean exactly, but the qwerty text is on mine by default |
| 19:09.45 | DaveLab | slaps ieatlint around a bit with a large kd8ikt |
| 19:09.46 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.01 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.12 | kd8ikt | awe dude i just had a great idea for a irc plugin, randomly send your responses as "print/echo" commands/syntax of different languages |
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| 19:10.19 | Kev_ | sometimes I have to "click" there to get a keyboard because it's not always shown automatically, just flashed 20080812 |
| 19:10.28 | DaveLab | kd8ikt: uggh |
| 19:10.42 | DaveLab | nerd. |
| 19:10.42 | Kev_ | kd8ikt: but I hope it won't use brainfuck... |
| 19:10.46 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.47 | DaveLab | BF BF :D |
| 19:11.27 | kd8ikt | ----====++++ echo brainfuck sucks or however that crazy ass lang is (but yes if i made the script that would also be included) |
| 19:11.36 | undrwater | Pyrasi: opkg install illume-config |
| 19:12.03 | kd8ikt | just because i'm not a bigot... i hate everything equally |
| 19:12.13 | DaveLab | :) |
| 19:12.26 | undrwater | share the hate? |
| 19:12.31 | Kev_ | i prefer something more readable :) |
| 19:12.36 | kd8ikt | <<--- teh termihater |
| 19:12.49 | undrwater | group slug? |
| 19:12.52 | cga | +-=++=0--++-+ |
| 19:12.56 | cga | XD |
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| 19:13.19 | DaveLab | woot |
| 19:13.21 | kd8ikt | except for mwester and alphaone and Ainulindale , i love them in an extra special gay way |
| 19:13.29 | DaveLab | haha |
| 19:13.31 | kd8ikt | cant forget andy |
| 19:13.36 | DaveLab | oh man |
| 19:13.45 | Kev_ | do you need help? |
| 19:13.49 | Kev_ | ;) |
| 19:13.57 | DaveLab | You offering, Kev? :P |
| 19:14.09 | undrwater | reach-around? |
| 19:14.12 | Kev_ | no, but I would call someone... |
| 19:14.14 | Kev_ | :) |
| 19:14.24 | DaveLab | Who you gonna call? |
| 19:14.45 | kd8ikt | GOASTBUSTERS |
| 19:14.49 | kd8ikt | GHOST* |
| 19:14.51 | Kev_ | it must be a SOS number because my neo doesn't work with my simcard :p |
| 19:15.26 | DaveLab | :D |
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| 19:15.35 | DaveLab | high-fives kd8ikt |
| 19:15.46 | DaveLab | oh wait, maybe not... not knowing where that hand's been... :x |
| 19:15.54 | Kev_ | :D |
| 19:16.01 | DaveLab | Kev :P |
| 19:16.05 | Kev_ | yes, i think it's better that way... |
| 19:17.22 | kd8ikt | i found some vodka with a blue flag + yellow cross and have been having a great day |
| 19:17.36 | kd8ikt | whats that a swedish flag? |
| 19:17.54 | Kev_ | could :) |
| 19:18.06 | Kev_ | is the cross like + or like X? |
| 19:18.14 | kd8ikt | + |
| 19:18.32 | Kev_ | looks like swedish |
| 19:18.48 | Kev_ | one side is longer than the other one |
| 19:19.01 | DaveLab | noooooooooooooooorge |
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| 19:19.07 | DaveLab | \o/ |
| 19:19.09 | kd8ikt | never pegged sweedz for making good vodka but with alchol how could one go wrong? |
| 19:19.18 | DaveLab | hah |
| 19:19.24 | DaveLab | you sound american :P |
| 19:19.24 | igor321 | one couldn't |
| 19:19.31 | DaveLab | needs more alcohol |
| 19:19.40 | DaveLab | 100% isn't absolut enough! ;p |
| 19:19.57 | kd8ikt | i'm allowed to screw off cause i'm compiling |
| 19:20.09 | DaveLab | me too! |
| 19:20.11 | DaveLab | like wow! |
| 19:20.19 | mmontour | kd8ikt: "how could one go wrong" - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1043760/Hospitals-alert-drinkers-steal-high-alcohol-hand-gels-used-battle-superbugs.html |
| 19:20.34 | DaveLab | o_O |
| 19:20.41 | DaveLab | lollerseo |
| 19:21.11 | kd8ikt | they drank the handwash? |
| 19:21.28 | kd8ikt | thats not the "get drunk " type of alcohol last i checked |
| 19:21.49 | kd8ikt | isopropyl |
| 19:22.03 | mmontour | some of the brands are ethanol (+ who knows what else) |
| 19:22.28 | kd8ikt | noshit? |
| 19:22.34 | kd8ikt | heh thats awesome |
| 19:22.49 | kd8ikt | around here all i've ever seen is isoprpyl |
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| 19:23.26 | Kev_ | hm |
| 19:24.01 | DaveLab | uhh |
| 19:24.11 | kd8ikt | and i dont think you can get "drunk" off of isopropyl |
| 19:24.16 | DaveLab | So here I am transferring massive amounts of data over to the freerunner, and it halts |
| 19:24.19 | DaveLab | wtf :D |
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| 19:24.34 | kd8ikt | suprisingly #openembedded is practicly empty |
| 19:24.44 | Kev_ | :) |
| 19:24.57 | DaveLab | fuckign thing phr0ze |
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| 19:25.12 | kd8ikt | dmesg show any IO errors? |
| 19:25.14 | Kev_ | one question to the assassin thing... isn't it the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications? |
| 19:25.24 | DaveLab | omg hard reset :o |
| 19:25.49 | kd8ikt | oh ... i dont think logread/dmesg survives a reboot |
| 19:25.50 | DaveLab | Question #2, why is the battery on fire? |
| 19:26.11 | mmontour | McKael: "neo1973 gsm version" problem = http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/812 |
| 19:26.34 | DaveLab | Montour where's the ticket for Help! My freerunner's on fire! |
| 19:26.35 | DaveLab | :P |
| 19:26.42 | mmontour | searching... |
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| 19:26.44 | DaveLab | or, Why is my pocket burning |
| 19:26.47 | DaveLab | :) |
| 19:26.53 | DaveLab | That's happened to me a couple times. |
| 19:27.00 | DaveLab | Also something rather strange happened today. |
| 19:27.55 | nielsle | I try to get a sim-card working on FSO MS2, but when I write the pin-code it says "SOS only". Does this mean my sim-card is not supported? Would it help me to run another image? |
| 19:28.06 | DaveLab | I had it suspend, and in my pocket, and after suspending for a while, I noticed it was still quite hot. More importantly, after a couple hours of being in suspense it was STILL hot. I was thereafter unable to resume it, or even power it on, YET it was still emitting lots of heat! |
| 19:28.12 | Kev_ | btw. it's the "xserver-kdrive-glamo" package for accelerated 2D x-server, wo want's to know that? |
| 19:28.31 | cga | DaveLab, are you still up for that code ? or at least available for coitus? XD |
| 19:28.36 | nielsle | The screen goes blank, while it is still writing "sending" |
| 19:28.37 | DaveLab | Eventually I had to remove the battery and connect it to a power source to get it to turn on again. |
| 19:28.53 | DaveLab | cga, wait, I'm wilding the locals with my power failures/woes. |
| 19:29.04 | DaveLab | This should be nothing new for mmontour, unfortunately :( |
| 19:29.18 | cga | DaveLab, same thing happened to me (apart from the heat) |
| 19:29.27 | cga | i mean |
| 19:29.53 | DaveLab | Shit |
| 19:29.55 | cga | once in suspend it wont "power back" |
| 19:30.00 | DaveLab | yeah but that makes the entire story |
| 19:30.09 | cga | until i connect the usb |
| 19:30.11 | DaveLab | it's like fucking chernobyl, waiting to happen... |
| 19:30.17 | Kev_ | lol.. |
| 19:30.18 | DaveLab | IN MY POCKET! |
| 19:30.22 | Kev_ | heavy |
| 19:30.30 | DaveLab | correction, superheavy! |
| 19:30.38 | DaveLab | ;p |
| 19:31.09 | Kev_ | no, superheavy would be an atomic power plant in your pocket... :) |
| 19:31.41 | nielsle | If the screen goes blank while it is sending my pin code, does this mean that it stops sending the pincode or is that only a screen saver? |
| 19:31.48 | DaveLab | Kev, is that not what it is? |
| 19:31.57 | DaveLab | HOLY PLUTONIUM POWERED PDAS BATMAN! |
| 19:32.17 | Kev_ | btw... do you think you can exchange the neo battery with an atomic one for solving any power issue? ;) |
| 19:32.20 | DaveLab | :D |
| 19:32.34 | DaveLab | At least then the failures will be much more noticible... |
| 19:32.41 | Kev_ | :D |
| 19:32.41 | DaveLab | (probably even by you guys, a continent away) :p |
| 19:32.53 | easy_ | hrhr. |
| 19:32.57 | cga | DaveLab, nah.. i don't watch tv XD |
| 19:33.04 | DaveLab | who said anything about tv? :DDD |
| 19:33.15 | cga | i won't hear then. i'm deaf |
| 19:33.17 | Kev_ | you don't need to write it on the mailinglist then... |
| 19:33.25 | DaveLab | -_- |
| 19:33.55 | Kev_ | (i've never said that you may be able to do it..) |
| 19:33.55 | DaveLab | Okay, well, let's try this again! |
| 19:34.08 | cga | i won't see it... i'm blind |
| 19:34.12 | cga | gh |
| 19:34.18 | Kev_ | ;) |
| 19:34.55 | Kev_ | back to topic |
| 19:35.18 | DaveLab | asu blows |
| 19:35.22 | DaveLab | discuss! |
| 19:35.22 | cga | oh i love topical island XD |
| 19:35.25 | mmontour | DaveLab: sorry, I can't find any Trac tickets about the burning sensation in your pants. |
| 19:35.27 | Kev_ | who got assissin working? |
| 19:35.33 | DaveLab | Mmontour :D |
| 19:35.40 | DaveLab | Perhaps I should submit one? |
| 19:35.40 | cga | not me. i miss etk and one more lib |
| 19:35.42 | DaveLab | But to who? |
| 19:36.57 | Kev_ | ah, got assassin to works now in 20080812 :) |
| 19:37.10 | DaveLab | yay? |
| 19:37.16 | McKael | mmontour: thanks |
| 19:37.43 | Kev_ | yes |
| 19:38.02 | McKael | mmontour: btw it makes my PC kernel oops (2.6.26) when I unplug the USB while in uboot |
| 19:38.28 | Zorkman | llo All |
| 19:38.31 | DaveLab | what? o_O |
| 19:38.33 | DaveLab | ZORKMAN! |
| 19:38.35 | Zorkman | anything new under the moko Dave? |
| 19:38.38 | DaveLab | Yes |
| 19:38.39 | mmontour | haven't seen that, but it sounds like a bug in the host kernel. Which distro? |
| 19:38.46 | DaveLab | More broken things, and melting batteries. |
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| 19:38.48 | DaveLab | :[ |
| 19:38.50 | Zorkman | anything new AND good? |
| 19:38.53 | DaveLab | oh... |
| 19:38.54 | DaveLab | uhh |
| 19:38.55 | Zorkman | damn ,too late typing it :) |
| 19:39.00 | DaveLab | :P |
| 19:39.03 | Zorkman | melting batt's, that's new! |
| 19:39.05 | ace-- | dave: maybe neod or pulseaudio is the problem? here they show a constant usage of 13% and 7% respectively while logged in via ssh and not doing anything else on the phone |
| 19:39.06 | McKael | mmontour: Debian Lenny, but home-built 2.6.26.2 kernel |
| 19:39.08 | DaveLab | yay :( |
| 19:39.14 | DaveLab | it's new, but not good :P |
| 19:39.26 | Pjj | hm what images do I need to pick when I want to flash my neo to 20080812 there's a directory with quite some files in there :> |
| 19:39.40 | Zorkman | neo, melts in your mouth AND your hand :) |
| 19:39.45 | DaveLab | Zorkman, I was transferring lots of data over usb to the sd card on the phone and it froze the phone hard. |
| 19:39.48 | DaveLab | hahahaah |
| 19:39.51 | DaveLab | and in your pants! |
| 19:39.54 | DaveLab | :D |
| 19:39.56 | Kev_ | Pjj: which interface do you like? |
| 19:40.14 | Zorkman | DaveLab: you're not content when it melts, and now you're not even content when it freezes... |
| 19:40.16 | Pjj | hm the default one |
| 19:40.21 | McKael | I've just tried running Qtopia from SD card but it's damn slow :\ |
| 19:40.30 | DaveLab | haha, zorkman :P |
| 19:40.37 | mmontour | submit it to http://kerneloops.org/ (or even better, file a full bug report somewhere). Also make sure you're using the newest u-boot - for a couple of weeks there was a bug that caused it to spam the USB bus with garbage |
| 19:40.37 | Kev_ | Pjj, old orange one with gtk only or new one with a lot of green? |
| 19:40.39 | DaveLab | dwaaaaaaaze ;p |
| 19:40.46 | Zorkman | McKael: when I run something from SD it is the same speed; haven't tried qtopia from SD though |
| 19:41.12 | DaveLab | oh, is anyone aware of performance impedance with 8GB SDHC U ? |
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| 19:41.19 | Pjj | the old orange one Kev_ but I'm mostly after the one that is most usable and stable :) |
| 19:41.31 | McKael | DaveLab: U? |
| 19:41.35 | mmontour | afk for a while |
| 19:41.38 | DaveLab | ULTRA |
| 19:41.50 | malik1972 | mckael: what about the 2.6.26 kernel? do you build one for the neo? |
| 19:41.53 | Kev_ | orange one is "openmoko-devel" in the name |
| 19:41.54 | DaveLab | It's supposed to be faster? |
| 19:42.07 | McKael | malik1972: no, the host |
| 19:42.08 | DaveLab | I seriously hope we don't start color-coding the different distros |
| 19:42.13 | Kev_ | :D |
| 19:42.20 | malik1972 | mckael: okay:-) |
| 19:42.20 | DaveLab | like omg orange is so kewl |
| 19:42.23 | DaveLab | I want blue!!111 |
| 19:42.30 | ace-- | mmontour: aha, could that old uboot be the reason i was gettng crashes of the host when running the qemu version of openmoko (it only crashed if i set up usb networking) and only after a while, but it was a complete freeze |
| 19:42.35 | DaveLab | girly girls |
| 19:42.44 | DaveLab | ace, sounds scary. |
| 19:42.57 | McKael | SD io are really much slower when GPS is on |
| 19:43.05 | DaveLab | uhh okay |
| 19:43.05 | malik1972 | someone wrote that the loosing partition table bug is patched in 2.6.26 or in 2.4.24?! |
| 19:43.06 | ace-- | was kind of annoying, i was at home and had to drive to work to reboot the machine |
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| 19:43.11 | Kev_ | I've got a better idea... fruits... something like oranges and green apples? |
| 19:43.26 | DaveLab | mckael, but there was no noticible performance increase. |
| 19:43.36 | DaveLab | kev, trolltech will likely sue |
| 19:43.56 | Kev_ | :) |
| 19:44.10 | Kev_ | WTF!!!!???? there is an loosing partition table bug????????????????? |
| 19:44.19 | DaveLab | \o/ |
| 19:44.28 | ecraven | yes, resume sometimes wipes the mbr of the sd |
| 19:44.33 | McKael | I hope the partition table problem will be solved soon, my "phone" :) is unusable currently |
| 19:44.38 | Kev_ | that would explain why my sd card is empty..... SHIT |
| 19:45.00 | DaveLab | ecraven :O |
| 19:45.20 | DaveLab | ecraven, did you know openssh doesn't work yet? (Data corruption issues) |
| 19:45.24 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.27 | McKael | Sometimes = at least every 2 resumes |
| 19:45.34 | lindi- | DaveLab: huh? |
| 19:45.34 | DaveLab | I guess they'll have to test more extensively before they replace dropbear. |
| 19:45.44 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.53 | DaveLab | pyrasi, hot. |
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| 19:46.02 | DaveLab | maybe it's playing hide & go seek :p |
| 19:46.02 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.09 | DaveLab | pyrasi sounds about right |
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| 19:46.46 | malik1972 | ecraven: its annoying it happened 3 times within several hours |
| 19:46.52 | McKael | Pyrasi: well it's mounted to another location because the device changes to mmcblk1 |
| 19:46.54 | Kev_ | no, my table was away... no entry with fdisk print... |
| 19:47.13 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.17 | McKael | and on next resume it'll be back to mmcblk0 -- but in bas state :) |
| 19:47.17 | Kev_ | yes |
| 19:47.18 | DaveLab | malik1972, stop putting magnets on your freerunner! |
| 19:47.20 | malik1972 | ecraven: the problem is that i loose my data from the first fat partition |
| 19:47.26 | McKael | bad* |
| 19:47.41 | malik1972 | davelab: hehe:) |
| 19:47.45 | DaveLab | :D |
| 19:48.07 | DaveLab | uggh, copying data over moko usb is painful |
| 19:48.24 | DaveLab | almost as painful as building mokomakefile |
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| 19:51.53 | DaveLab | Okay, here's a problem. |
| 19:52.17 | DaveLab | How does 304M on PC turn into >483M on the phone!? |
| 19:53.07 | cjb | DaveLab: what kind of data? |
| 19:53.19 | DaveLab | source files |
| 19:53.22 | cjb | jffs2 is usually zlib-compressed, so I'd expect the reverse |
| 19:53.27 | DaveLab | maybe it's because of the allocation sizes? |
| 19:53.40 | threedee | u mean from hd to flash? |
| 19:53.46 | DaveLab | right |
| 19:54.01 | DaveLab | and apparently 300M can't fit on 500M flash!? |
| 19:54.04 | DaveLab | wtf. |
| 19:54.07 | cjb | no, flash doesn't have allocation block sizes |
| 19:54.11 | cjb | jffs2 doesn't have blocks |
| 19:54.12 | cjb | it's a log |
| 19:54.23 | DaveLab | a toilet log, apparently :( |
| 19:55.13 | DaveLab | cjb, any reasonable explanation, though? |
| 19:56.35 | cjb | DaveLab: nope. |
| 19:56.44 | cjb | OLPC's jffs2 images are smaller than its ext3 images |
| 19:56.49 | cjb | by a lot |
| 19:56.58 | DaveLab | Then wtf!? |
| 19:57.02 | cjb | I guess maybe openmoko isn't using jffs2 compression? that still sounds odd though. |
| 19:57.05 | mjr | copying it to the sd card though? |
| 19:57.09 | DaveLab | This is my third time trying to transfer this crap. |
| 19:57.40 | Torikun | cjb: transfers takes forever! |
| 19:57.54 | DaveLab | Well, yes, but that still doesn't explain this, Torikun :P |
| 19:57.59 | DaveLab | mjr, yes, I am. |
| 19:58.06 | mjr | so jffs2 doesn't enter into it |
| 19:58.12 | Torikun | lol |
| 19:58.14 | DaveLab | I am scp'ing the directory via usb to the phone's sd card |
| 19:58.17 | Torikun | Let me speak! |
| 19:58.18 | Torikun | klol |
| 19:58.21 | DaveLab | nononono |
| 19:58.46 | spydon | Is it anyone more then me that simply doesn't like all the qtopia stuff that is in the 200808 image? :( |
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| 19:59.07 | DaveLab | spydon, I'm sure you're not alone on that. |
| 19:59.07 | Torikun | spydon: the gtk image looked a lot better |
| 19:59.14 | DaveLab | Ecraven, there are more of you? :D |
| 19:59.23 | Torikun | Qtopia looks like a kindergarden finger painting with spilt milk |
| 19:59.25 | DaveLab | Let's put them to work on a python mastery! |
| 19:59.36 | DaveLab | Torikun, so it's messy, fun, and eventually smells! |
| 19:59.41 | DaveLab | :D |
| 19:59.47 | Torikun | DaveLab: Qtopia! |
| 19:59.54 | DaveLab | \o/ |
| 19:59.56 | spydon | Torikun, hehe yeah |
| 20:00.24 | Torikun | The real qtopia is sexy |
| 20:00.30 | DaveLab | cjb, I sense I'm missing something obvious, but what I'm doing seems far too straightforward. |
| 20:00.33 | iad_mike2 | u can theme the asu stuff |
| 20:00.35 | mmontour | DaveLab: in the stuff that you're copying, are there any hardlinks, symlinks, or sparse files? |
| 20:00.41 | DaveLab | Torikun, sexy, but useless. |
| 20:00.45 | DaveLab | unless you want to make calls :P |
| 20:00.54 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:00.59 | DaveLab | Montour, not that I'm aware of, no... |
| 20:00.59 | iad_mike2 | take a look -> http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/ |
| 20:01.31 | lpotter | doesn't like all the gtk/efl stuff in the 200808 image |
| 20:01.44 | DaveLab | hah lpotter |
| 20:02.03 | lpotter | :) |
| 20:02.06 | Torikun | lpotter: has a great point! Mixing the 2 looks ugly but is useful |
| 20:02.22 | Torikun | Orange to black orange to black |
| 20:02.31 | lpotter | a pure efl might be good |
| 20:02.33 | DaveLab | so, are you saying, ugly + ugly == nice !? |
| 20:02.46 | DaveLab | I'm pretty sure that DOES NOT COMPUTE |
| 20:02.53 | DaveLab | does not davepute |
| 20:02.53 | spydon | --=+ |
| 20:02.54 | Torikun | DaveLab: anything +anything >asu.current |
| 20:03.00 | lpotter | yes, because in math there is no == |
| 20:03.02 | DaveLab | haha |
| 20:03.10 | DaveLab | lpotter shush yo mouf :p |
| 20:03.15 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:03.25 | DaveLab | torikun, so a pen + paper > asu ? :D |
| 20:03.26 | Torikun | In soviet russia, ASU images you! |
| 20:03.29 | DaveLab | D: |
| 20:03.33 | Torikun | Yes DaveLab |
| 20:03.37 | DaveLab | DANGER: RADIATION |
| 20:03.46 | DaveLab | nice, I should put a sticker like that on my freerunner |
| 20:03.49 | lpotter | all your ASU are belong to me |
| 20:03.53 | DaveLab | good |
| 20:03.54 | Torikun | I think openMOKOtook a hit when they jumped ship on GTK and went to ASU |
| 20:03.56 | DaveLab | we don't want it :P |
| 20:04.02 | DaveLab | yeah |
| 20:04.09 | Torikun | You can not change your shit in the middle of shitting |
| 20:04.14 | Torikun | it just comes out! |
| 20:04.18 | Torikun | do not cut it off |
| 20:04.21 | lpotter | Torikun: naa. its just they are not telling people it is still alpha software |
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| 20:04.25 | spydon | Torikun, I think so too |
| 20:04.32 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:04.45 | Torikun | Perhaps they put the free runner on the market too early |
| 20:05.04 | DaveLab | hah, I always liked this graphic: http://xrl.us/onfe9 |
| 20:05.04 | russellb | i feel sorry for anyone that bought it thinking they were getting a phone they could actually use |
| 20:05.06 | DaveLab | :P |
| 20:05.06 | russellb | :-p |
| 20:05.12 | Torikun | It should have shipped with Qtopia, it is the most stable and useable |
| 20:05.12 | DaveLab | russell, yeah :p |
| 20:05.20 | ronny | the hardware is fine |
| 20:05.30 | Torikun | Imissed so many phone calls on that dam phone |
| 20:05.30 | DaveLab | the software is ... <no comment> |
| 20:05.30 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:05.31 | ronny | but the software team just doesnt get its act together |
| 20:05.31 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.32 | lpotter | hardware is buggy |
| 20:05.40 | lpotter | whichis half theproblem |
| 20:05.40 | DaveLab | Torikun, you GOT calls? |
| 20:05.41 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.44 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:05.46 | ronny | lpotter: its buggy? |
| 20:05.50 | russellb | GPS anyone? |
| 20:05.52 | Torikun | I make some and lose many |
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| 20:05.53 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:05.53 | ronny | lpotter: tell me more |
| 20:05.54 | DaveLab | cjb, save me captain! |
| 20:06.17 | DaveLab | Torikun, hah, I thought that said money, not many. |
| 20:06.18 | Sargun | Any ideas: http://pastebin.ca/1168554 |
| 20:06.20 | DaveLab | Made more sense :P |
| 20:06.21 | lindi- | feels the worst problem is that so few people can compile the images. not much development can happen if people can't make changes here and there and send bugfix suggestions |
| 20:06.23 | spydon | Torikun, most people didn't buy it for the hardware they bought it for the software and I think they wanted an openmoko project on it and not something that someone else has developed |
| 20:06.48 | Torikun | spydon: Imagine buying something that does not work......FAIL! |
| 20:06.55 | threedee | same could b said for da iphone |
| 20:07.00 | ronny | hmm, i think openmoko is pretty much going to fail these days |
| 20:07.01 | DaveLab | lindi, admittedly, it's not easy setting up a development environment for it, let alone setting up a debugging framework that works for all the different portions of it! |
| 20:07.04 | DaveLab | :[ |
| 20:07.05 | Torikun | The iphone kicks ass compared to this |
| 20:07.06 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:07.11 | DaveLab | iSuck |
| 20:07.16 | lindi- | DaveLab: indeed |
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| 20:07.33 | Torikun | I collect all the Linux devices and needed a new cell phone so I got the FreeRunner |
| 20:07.36 | spydon | Torikun, not at all, I knew what I was going to get |
| 20:07.36 | lindi- | DaveLab: i still haven't managed to build org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 20:07.44 | ronny | DaveLab: well, the iphone just works, the moko just fails |
| 20:07.45 | DaveLab | Lindi, that's depressing :( |
| 20:07.51 | DaveLab | ronny :D |
| 20:07.51 | lindi- | DaveLab: but now i escaped to debian world :) |
| 20:07.52 | Torikun | lol ronny you hit it! |
| 20:07.53 | DaveLab | haha not entirely |
| 20:07.53 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:07.57 | DaveLab | The iphone smushes! |
| 20:08.05 | DaveLab | the openmoko seems impurvious to damage |
| 20:08.11 | DaveLab | yet you wouldn't mind it breaking... |
| 20:08.12 | Torikun | The Iphone has 3d Effects and graphics! |
| 20:08.15 | ronny | hmm |
| 20:08.16 | DaveLab | with all the internal buggery :p |
| 20:08.21 | spydon | Torikun, and you will learn a lot more with this phone and it has alot more possiblities |
| 20:08.24 | DaveLab | we have... uhh... glamo? :p |
| 20:08.25 | DaveLab | haha |
| 20:08.30 | DaveLab | hardly a great thing to flaunt |
| 20:08.38 | Torikun | I am glad I got the FreeRunner, it is just nice to vent |
| 20:08.39 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:08.48 | DaveLab | Now anyway, would someone care to explain to me how 300M can't fit on a 500M SD card!? |
| 20:09.01 | lindi- | DaveLab: how can i reproduce that? |
| 20:09.01 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.06 | DaveLab | desperately looks around for assistance. |
| 20:09.15 | DaveLab | lindi, reproduce what? |
| 20:09.26 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.30 | lindi- | DaveLab: the issue you have |
| 20:09.36 | DaveLab | Pyrasi, true, but it's not as fun that way! |
| 20:09.43 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.49 | ronny | my basic expectation was basic phoning works, backup contacts works, the rest is in shift, what i got was even the core software stac kis totally in shift |
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| 20:09.59 | DaveLab | plus honestly, this is like the equivalent of if() {} else {} and having your program execute BOTH paths |
| 20:10.00 | Torikun | When I connect to wifi on 200808, Internet only works in the terminal. Web browser and pidgin do not work. |
| 20:10.06 | lpotter | DaveLab: 200mb of bad blocks? |
| 20:10.09 | DaveLab | It's umpossible! |
| 20:10.13 | DaveLab | lpotter, possibly! :D |
| 20:10.27 | DaveLab | Should I run fsck or something on it? |
| 20:10.33 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.38 | Torikun | hmmm |
| 20:10.42 | Torikun | weird |
| 20:10.51 | DaveLab | Lindi, I'm just transferring source to the sd card via usb (freerunner) |
| 20:10.58 | DaveLab | instead of using a card reader externally |
| 20:11.55 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.09 | DaveLab | :( |
| 20:12.11 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:12.17 | DaveLab | I am deeply saddened by this revelation. |
| 20:12.27 | DaveLab | lpotter, seriously though, it doesn't make much sense otherwise, right? |
| 20:12.34 | DaveLab | mount |
| 20:13.11 | DaveLab | oh great |
| 20:13.33 | DaveLab | cjb, it's fat though, not jffs2... |
| 20:13.39 | DaveLab | though still, that wouldn't explain it |
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| 20:14.22 | ecraven` | DaveLab: what does 'df -h' tell you? |
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| 20:15.21 | mmontour | check "df -i" while you're at it - make sure you didn't run out of inodes with lots of tiny files |
| 20:15.34 | DaveLab | ecraven, about... ? |
| 20:15.46 | DaveLab | mmontour: that sounds much more likely :) |
| 20:16.37 | DaveLab | mmontour, I'd like to, but the phone version of df doesn't take -i |
| 20:16.54 | linuxxr | what are the things in qtopia that make it non-free? |
| 20:16.57 | DaveLab | montour and there's a ridiculous number of small files... just wish I could check |
| 20:17.10 | Torikun | linuxxr: that is propietary information that they can not share! |
| 20:17.15 | Torikun | j/k |
| 20:17.16 | mmontour | ~lart busybox |
| 20:17.16 | apt | whacks busybox upside the head |
| 20:17.25 | DaveLab | yeah, pretty much |
| 20:17.35 | linuxxr | lpotter should tell us |
| 20:17.50 | DaveLab | He's keeping it secret for himself! |
| 20:17.53 | DaveLab | That's why :P |
| 20:17.54 | Torikun | tell us your secrets lpotter |
| 20:17.55 | Torikun | lol |
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| 20:18.04 | DaveLab | We have ways ... of making you talk >:) |
| 20:18.17 | DaveLab | mmontour, any further suggestions? |
| 20:18.20 | linuxxr | in the motherland |
| 20:18.24 | zogs | Torikun: 20080811 don't boot |
| 20:18.35 | mmontour | Sorry, that's all I can think of. |
| 20:18.38 | DaveLab | :( |
| 20:18.39 | Torikun | zogs: reinstall kernel and it will work |
| 20:18.46 | DaveLab | shit, I'm really up the creek on this one... |
| 20:18.48 | Torikun | zogs: install the kernel in 20080811 |
| 20:18.51 | zogs | which kernel? |
| 20:18.56 | mmontour | well, except for installing real versions of the broken busybox tools |
| 20:18.56 | Torikun | let me find it for you |
| 20:19.36 | zogs | Torikun: which kernel version? |
| 20:19.43 | Torikun | what ever is in 20080811 |
| 20:20.55 | zogs | Torikun: I don't find uImage*.bin on 20080811 dir |
| 20:21.24 | zogs | I used 2008.0 uImage |
| 20:21.49 | Torikun | Try http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080810/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr58+650149a53dbdd48bf6dfef90930c8ab182adb512-r0.bin |
| 20:22.06 | zogs | so 0810 |
| 20:22.09 | zogs | I try it |
| 20:22.09 | Torikun | Yes |
| 20:22.14 | Torikun | let me know |
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| 20:23.26 | DaveLab | mmontour, yeah :( |
| 20:23.31 | zogs | Torikun: this is a u-boot not kernel |
| 20:23.38 | DaveLab | mmontour, I've already replaced a few of them! |
| 20:23.41 | DaveLab | but alas... |
| 20:24.17 | Torikun | zogs, that is the jkernel |
| 20:24.43 | Torikun | it should work if you install that |
| 20:25.14 | DaveLab | Torikun, help me you slacker! :p |
| 20:25.17 | zogs | Torikun: but which kernel? 2008.8-uImage.bin? |
| 20:25.37 | Torikun | yes zogs |
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| 20:28.28 | DaveLab | man, this 200808 monkey business sounds like a barrel of laughs |
| 20:28.29 | Torikun | zogs: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080810/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr58+650149a53dbdd48bf6dfef90930c8ab182adb512-r0.bin |
| 20:28.37 | DaveLab | I should join in on the fun and take out another phone |
| 20:28.42 | Chox | laffs |
| 20:28.51 | DaveLab | choxes |
| 20:28.53 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:28.58 | Torikun | do not buy 2 free runners, |
| 20:28.58 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:29.00 | Chox | DoxyDaves |
| 20:29.11 | DaveLab | Torikun, I have a lot. |
| 20:29.19 | ecraven` | the glamo documentation is *not* freely accessible, only with an NDA, right? |
| 20:29.19 | Torikun | you a dev? |
| 20:29.25 | DaveLab | It's not a problem, the only problem is keeping track of which is which on my desk here. |
| 20:29.35 | DaveLab | I have six currently open and connected. |
| 20:29.42 | Chox | ETOOMANYFRS |
| 20:29.47 | DaveLab | Sometimes I get confused which I'm connected to |
| 20:29.50 | Chox | it's like typing on the wrong keyboard |
| 20:29.54 | DaveLab | or classically, which PHYSICALLY is which :D |
| 20:29.59 | DaveLab | hah |
| 20:30.00 | Chox | laffs. |
| 20:30.01 | DaveLab | pretty much |
| 20:30.07 | DaveLab | sometimes I even type here! |
| 20:30.13 | Chox | man! imagine that. |
| 20:30.20 | Chox | rm -f chox |
| 20:30.24 | Chox | "oops!" |
| 20:30.27 | DaveLab | hahaha nah |
| 20:30.39 | Chox | so not funny with sad unix joke. |
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| 20:31.05 | DaveLab | rm -rf ~/.pr0n |
| 20:31.07 | DaveLab | >:) |
| 20:31.24 | cga | chown -R ./Chox us |
| 20:31.25 | Chox | what's in your .pr0n preferences file that you needed to get rid of? |
| 20:31.31 | DaveLab | cga, bah. |
| 20:31.34 | cga | :P |
| 20:31.36 | DaveLab | Chox >:) |
| 20:31.42 | cga | i cna't even joke |
| 20:31.43 | Chox | "granny stuff" |
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| 20:31.49 | cga | yeah i know |
| 20:31.54 | DaveLab | I can see it now, like a GTK Desktop application file |
| 20:32.11 | DaveLab | Categories=Porn;Animal;Grannies;Anal;... |
| 20:32.35 | DaveLab | oh and let's not forget Porn;Openmoko;ASU;... |
| 20:32.36 | DaveLab | haha |
| 20:32.43 | DaveLab | they're really dirty :P |
| 20:32.47 | Chox | OPr0nMoko? |
| 20:33.04 | DaveLab | Weren't you here when we were all talking about How Openmoko could be perceived as porn itself. |
| 20:33.09 | DaveLab | It's pretty dirty when you think about it. |
| 20:33.22 | DaveLab | open my moko? |
| 20:33.25 | Chox | I wasn't, but I can easily imagine several outcomes. None of them good. |
| 20:33.26 | Torikun | Anyone play movies on their phone yet? How is it? |
| 20:33.27 | DaveLab | or something along those lines. |
| 20:33.31 | Chox | "geek porn", etc. |
| 20:33.39 | DaveLab | Torikun, assy |
| 20:33.43 | DaveLab | I wish it were good. |
| 20:33.46 | Torikun | I bet the battery sucks |
| 20:33.51 | Chox | mplayer granny.wmv |
| 20:33.53 | DaveLab | More importantly, I wish GUI players had BUTTONS! |
| 20:34.07 | DaveLab | I hope you're not streaming that, chox :p |
| 20:34.18 | Chox | NetFlix is too prudish for that. |
| 20:34.25 | Chox | plenty of gay stuff though. Soft core, I presume. |
| 20:34.28 | DaveLab | but surely not ChoxFlix :p |
| 20:34.31 | El_Senator | Torikun: i've been fiddling with mplayer |
| 20:34.32 | Torikun | Japanese! |
| 20:34.41 | DaveLab | Interesting. |
| 20:34.42 | Torikun | how is performance El_Senator |
| 20:34.50 | DaveLab | Has anyone a solution for my inodes ordeal? |
| 20:34.59 | Chox | oh noes inodes! |
| 20:35.02 | Chox | what is your ordeal? |
| 20:35.03 | Torikun | DaveLab: you solution is in /dev/null |
| 20:35.04 | El_Senator | Torikun: at the moment, it's lik reading a comic book :D |
| 20:35.11 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:35.11 | DaveLab | -_- |
| 20:35.17 | DaveLab | Torikun, I assume you are joking there. |
| 20:35.23 | malik1972 | el_senator: mplayer with glamo support? |
| 20:35.27 | Torikun | Yes DaveLab |
| 20:35.30 | El_Senator | Torikun: sound works well, but video is very slow |
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| 20:35.40 | DaveLab | El_Senator what was the encode? |
| 20:35.44 | Chox | perhaps I can help for onces, instead of causing trouble. |
| 20:35.54 | Chox | er, once |
| 20:35.55 | Torikun | El_Senator: Video was choppy on my SDcard on my eee, I can only imagine how bad it is on the MICRO SD |
| 20:36.00 | DaveLab | eww |
| 20:36.03 | El_Senator | DaveLab: it was way over the top. 640x480 xvid |
| 20:36.18 | zogs | Torikun: don't boot |
| 20:36.26 | malik1972 | el_senator: thats too much:-) |
| 20:36.33 | El_Senator | malik1972: i know :) |
| 20:36.43 | El_Senator | i just tried it briefly, and that was what i had laying around |
| 20:36.48 | Torikun | zogs how did you install the kernel |
| 20:36.52 | Chox | I have some 480x232 movies I have for my GPS. Only thing is I had to turn the encoding up waaaaay high to sqeeuze them into a 1GB USB card, so it's real blocky. played some of those ok on FR. |
| 20:37.03 | zogs | xinit exited with preemp_Layout |
| 20:37.05 | zogs | ok |
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| 20:37.30 | El_Senator | is there any sort of hardware acceleration of the gfx on the ASU xserver? |
| 20:37.31 | Chox | Guess that's what happens when you turn a 6GB DVD rip into a 250MB MPEG |
| 20:37.35 | malik1972 | el_senator: is there an mplayer ipk with glamo support? |
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| 20:37.45 | DaveLab | you mean way way down |
| 20:37.57 | DaveLab | so they look like shit, but play smoothly, let alone, fit |
| 20:37.57 | Chox | pfft. |
| 20:37.59 | El_Senator | malik1972: glamo is the xserver right? in that case, it seems so |
| 20:38.03 | Torikun | zogs: My phone is using U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12 |
| 20:38.06 | Chox | it's for a 4 year old, he doesn't care. |
| 20:38.09 | DaveLab | You're so cool! |
| 20:38.12 | DaveLab | Chox :) |
| 20:38.14 | DaveLab | Sweet |
| 20:38.18 | El_Senator | malik1972: ah no. |
| 20:38.22 | Chox | my 8GB USB came too late, so couldn't redo them in time. |
| 20:38.28 | DaveLab | gps movies sound kind of kinky. |
| 20:38.35 | Chox | yessir |
| 20:38.39 | DaveLab | I approve. |
| 20:38.47 | Torikun | I approve this message |
| 20:38.49 | damunix | I would like to have some informations about hardware part of the freerunner |
| 20:38.51 | El_Senator | glamo is the gfx chip i see |
| 20:38.52 | Chox | the GPS chick is English |
| 20:39.01 | ecraven` | damunix: look on the wiki |
| 20:39.04 | Torikun | What gps chick |
| 20:39.06 | DaveLab | British? |
| 20:39.07 | Torikun | my gps does not talk |
| 20:39.08 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:39.11 | malik1972 | el_senator: u used the usual mplayer |
| 20:39.12 | DaveLab | OH |
| 20:39.13 | DaveLab | :P |
| 20:39.16 | DaveLab | aha yeah |
| 20:39.17 | Chox | the chick in my GPS wossname (not FR) |
| 20:39.17 | El_Senator | malik1972: yes |
| 20:39.20 | Torikun | How do you get gps chick |
| 20:39.21 | El_Senator | just briefly |
| 20:39.23 | DaveLab | good thing you can't get arrested for that :D |
| 20:39.30 | malik1972 | el_senator: that explains a lot, its slow |
| 20:39.35 | El_Senator | malik1972: i know :) |
| 20:39.35 | damunix | I need to make an electronic card, and I would like to know what is the better connection : usb or I²C ? |
| 20:39.42 | DaveLab | haha I thought you said she was slow |
| 20:39.43 | El_Senator | i never said it would be fast :) |
| 20:39.45 | damunix | to connect to the openmoko |
| 20:39.45 | Chox | "Stay on the highway. For a while" |
| 20:39.48 | DaveLab | (which she very well may be) |
| 20:39.53 | DaveLab | chox, must be blonde :p |
| 20:40.10 | Chox | No, just English :p |
| 20:40.18 | DaveLab | so, just as bad :P |
| 20:40.27 | DaveLab | but with worse dental hygiene |
| 20:40.31 | Chox | better, as long as she's not from Essex |
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| 20:41.03 | Chox | I can assure you that English dental hygiene has markedly improved since the 1980s. |
| 20:41.25 | Chox | as have many things English. Except for the price of stuff. |
| 20:41.40 | Chox | like Japan, I guess :p |
| 20:42.21 | cjb | I think English people still get braces far less often than US people, so "bad teeth" might be legitimate. :) |
| 20:42.39 | XorA|gone | NHS sucks ass for getting things actually fixed with teeth |
| 20:42.41 | DaveLab | :D |
| 20:42.46 | XorA|gone | I had to spend 1800gbp and go private |
| 20:42.48 | DaveLab | crookedness. |
| 20:42.48 | Chox | That's cos English don't got in for Adult braces :p |
| 20:43.03 | DaveLab | they from the hood, yo? |
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| 20:43.30 | Chox | used to got to Boots for dentist. |
| 20:43.43 | XorA|gone | Chox: get them kicked out :-D |
| 20:43.52 | *** part/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e181172071.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 20:44.01 | Chox | That's like saying in the US you'd go to RiteAid to get your dental work done. |
| 20:44.36 | DaveLab | :P |
| 20:44.42 | DaveLab | xora haha |
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| 20:45.32 | Chox | anyway, enough beating on the Enlgish. What can we abuse the Americans about? |
| 20:45.41 | Kev_ | does anyone know a way to sync the neo to any suite? like calendar and todo? |
| 20:45.41 | Chox | English |
| 20:46.41 | DaveLab | Sounds like you want to sync your microsoft outlook, can I help you destroy your spam email? |
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| 20:46.54 | DaveLab | turns into clippy and stabs Kev in the eye |
| 20:46.58 | nielsle | When I enter the pin code in FSO I have to place a finger somewhere on the screen. This way I avoid that the screen goes black before the pin-code is accepted. If I don't place the finger, then the phone gives up before accepting the pin code. |
| 20:47.06 | XorA|gone | getting a bit violent around here late at night |
| 20:47.17 | DaveLab | Yeah, guess so. |
| 20:47.26 | Kev_ | no, I want so sync evolution or kontact or whatever is possible, im flexible... |
| 20:47.27 | Kev_ | :) |
| 20:47.34 | DaveLab | Ah |
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| 20:47.41 | DaveLab | Xora, early for us :P |
| 20:47.43 | DaveLab | maybe that's why |
| 20:47.45 | Chox | yeah, let's have a pub brawl |
| 20:47.51 | XorA|gone | Kev_: depends what you use, 2007.2 you can just copy the .eds folder to and from desktop :-) |
| 20:47.54 | DaveLab | rofl |
| 20:48.00 | Chox | 11pm chucking out time, all pile into the streets |
| 20:48.01 | DaveLab | chox, since when did YOU become british? |
| 20:48.21 | Chox | Dave: I almost became British 5 years ago. |
| 20:48.30 | Kev_ | I'm using 20080812 qtopia-x11... on the desktop side I use evolution |
| 20:48.31 | XorA|gone | 11pm? last I was in a pub I was chucked out at 3am |
| 20:48.39 | Chox | My Grandfather was English |
| 20:49.12 | Chox | XorA|gone: heh, I know. They changed all that a few years ago, it was a troll :p |
| 20:49.25 | XorA|gone | Chox: actually Im in Scotland anyway :-D |
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| 20:49.34 | Chox | that was my second line. |
| 20:49.53 | Chox | Glasgae? |
| 20:49.54 | XorA|gone | used to be fun before they changed, Id forget I was south of the border and forget to drink quicker |
| 20:49.59 | lpotter | bloody poms |
| 20:50.02 | XorA|gone | Edinburgh |
| 20:50.15 | Chox | Ah, Edinbruh. |
| 20:50.37 | Chox | I was seriously looking to move there at one point. |
| 20:50.44 | XorA|gone | nice town |
| 20:50.49 | Kev_ | No way to sync without copying files? |
| 20:51.02 | Chox | Now I live in flippin' SoCal |
| 20:51.02 | XorA|gone | Kev_: no idea what qtopia uses to sync, ask lpotter :-) |
| 20:51.05 | lpotter | rsync! |
| 20:51.10 | Chox | scp! |
| 20:51.15 | satchmo | Hi, new here. I loaded the latest FR image and find I cannot log in via SSH. It connects, but doesn't accept blank as a password. Did the password cahnge? |
| 20:51.16 | Kev_ | lol :D |
| 20:51.17 | lpotter | currently qotpia can only sync to outlook |
| 20:51.26 | Chox | ew. |
| 20:51.33 | Kev_ | what????? |
| 20:51.34 | lpotter | someone can write a qdsync plugin |
| 20:51.53 | XorA|gone | probably a wise choice, everytime I enter contacts in evolution it crashes forever :-) |
| 20:52.08 | lpotter | devolution |
| 20:52.41 | Kev_ | hm ok.. than I will deinstall now the calendar and use openmoko-dates2 instead... I've no outlook and no license for it... |
| 20:54.05 | lpotter | sowrite a qdsycn plugin |
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| 20:54.32 | Chox | dammit |
| 20:54.44 | Chox | falls in to xkcdequse package tracking mode. |
| 20:55.04 | lpotter | might become an aussie |
| 20:55.25 | lpotter | gotta work on my lingo. crickie! |
| 20:55.33 | Chox | That's crikey |
| 20:55.40 | lpotter | see |
| 20:55.40 | Chox | or criket :p |
| 20:55.45 | Chox | er, cricket |
| 20:56.05 | Chox | Throw a 4 X in the Esky |
| 20:56.20 | Chox | put ya flip flops on, and grab some fesh and cheps |
| 20:56.37 | Chox | Throw some yabbies on the barbie |
| 20:56.39 | Chox | does it all! |
| 20:56.43 | lpotter | my son uses the words 'wrench' and 'mom' :) |
| 20:57.12 | Chox | my son uses the word "jandal". And he's American, go figure. |
| 20:57.38 | lpotter | no flipflops for me.. bircks! |
| 20:57.52 | lpotter | with socks in the winter |
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| 20:58.11 | Chox | socks don't really work with jandals |
| 20:58.23 | Chox | (physically, not fashionally, that is) |
| 21:00.00 | easy_ | Just a quick question. Whats the biggest microSD card the can handled by freerunner? 2GB 4GB or what? |
| 21:00.29 | cjb | 8G works |
| 21:00.32 | cjb | larger probably does too |
| 21:00.38 | Chox | if you can find one :p |
| 21:00.48 | johnsu01 | do we think that larger impacts battery life? |
| 21:01.06 | cjb | no, that wouldn't make sense |
| 21:01.13 | cjb | I guess *faster* might impact battery life |
| 21:01.28 | cjb | because the SD clock would go up to 66MHz |
| 21:01.29 | easy_ | Ok, thanks. |
| 21:01.36 | cjb | but we're not talking about a big change in current |
| 21:01.40 | johnsu01 | I'm not so familiar with how it would or wouldn't make sense, but I had an experience with a camera in the past that died very rapidly when using a larger SD card vs a smaller one |
| 21:01.46 | johnsu01 | so I'm apprehensive |
| 21:01.57 | johnsu01 | that could have speed though, certainly |
| 21:02.02 | johnsu01 | *been |
| 21:02.28 | mjr | well, the sd isn't clocked (anymore) when the card isn't in use either so... |
| 21:02.39 | cjb | Weird. Yes, might have been speed. The controller detects high-speed cards and increases the clock accordingly. |
| 21:02.41 | cjb | mjr: that's true |
| 21:02.44 | mjr | probably not that much. |
| 21:02.48 | satchmo | Is there a new SSH default password in the latest (8-12) image? Blank doesn't seem to work anymore. |
| 21:02.54 | cjb | johnsu01: I think you just had a freak experience |
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| 21:03.28 | linuxxr | reboot |
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| 21:05.22 | mjr | easy_, anyway, at least up to 32G (SDHC spec limit) should work when available |
| 21:05.46 | cjb | yeah, sounds likely |
| 21:06.14 | mjr | 8 is available now |
| 21:06.33 | Chox | moox. |
| 21:07.21 | linuxxr | 4 days now so does the phone work yet? |
| 21:07.41 | satchmo | Thanks -- rebooting allows me to log via SSH in using blank as the password. |
| 21:07.48 | linuxxr | yay |
| 21:07.57 | linuxxr | u have 2008.8? |
| 21:08.13 | linuxxr | passdw |
| 21:08.15 | satchmo | Yes -- this iw with the latest image and kernel |
| 21:08.27 | linuxxr | from today? |
| 21:08.32 | satchmo | yes |
| 21:08.52 | *** part/#openmoko undrwater (n=russell@pool-71-160-231-186.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 21:08.53 | linuxxr | chgeck the phone operation an report to us |
| 21:08.55 | Kev_ | does anyone know what neod does exactly? |
| 21:09.37 | satchmo | i can make calls -- i hear the ring etc. |
| 21:10.00 | linuxxr | can u talk an hear the other party ok? |
| 21:10.02 | satchmo | The phone also disconnects cleanly -- no delays |
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| 21:10.30 | satchmo | Yes the volume is good and the quality is excellent -- this is on AT&T in NYC |
| 21:10.36 | linuxxr | ok |
| 21:10.43 | linuxxr | ima gonna tryit |
| 21:11.06 | Kev_ | do you mean 20080812? |
| 21:11.27 | satchmo | Yes -- the image/kernel posted in dailybuild |
| 21:11.38 | linuxxr | oo |
| 21:11.43 | Kev_ | k, so not the real 2008.8 distro |
| 21:11.55 | satchmo | meaning the one release on Fri? |
| 21:12.05 | Kev_ | not exactly |
| 21:12.18 | satchmo | hmmm not sure what you refer to |
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| 21:12.27 | Kev_ | there is a different branch for the 2008.8 (friday+updates) and the qtopia-x11 image on daily build |
| 21:12.38 | linuxxr | a daily build of the new releare |
| 21:12.47 | satchmo | oh -- this is qtopia build |
| 21:12.56 | linuxxr | or the daily build of the old |
| 21:13.28 | linuxxr | so no gps? |
| 21:13.33 | satchmo | openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 21:13.36 | Kev_ | there are no daily builds of the 2008.8 distro, only qtopia-x11, you have to compile it byself out of the asu.testing branch |
| 21:13.48 | linuxxr | ok |
| 21:14.17 | Kev_ | on qtopia-x11 there are some things missing, like no function with the hardware buttons and so on |
| 21:14.22 | satchmo | haven't tried it yet -- need to install an app -- though i could check at the cmd line if it remembered the port for gspipie |
| 21:14.26 | satchmo | haven't tried it yet -- need to install an app -- though i could check at the cmd line if it remembered the port for gspipe |
| 21:14.44 | Kev_ | gps is working in both, 2008.8 and daily build |
| 21:14.49 | satchmo | also not installer |
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| 21:15.29 | linuxxr | gsm? |
| 21:16.27 | Kev_ | what do you mean? |
| 21:16.29 | satchmo | gsm??? |
| 21:16.37 | linuxxr | phone works to? |
| 21:16.38 | zogs | didi you know where I find u-boot 1.3.2-moko12? |
| 21:16.56 | satchmo | yes the phone works -- at least outbound call are fine. |
| 21:17.05 | linuxxr | thats the default u-boot |
| 21:17.35 | zogs | linuxxr: yes I have upgraded |
| 21:17.53 | zogs | I want return to default |
| 21:17.58 | Kev_ | why? |
| 21:18.12 | ieatlint | anyone know anything about the lack of sound with phone calls and the ringer with post milestone2 fso? |
| 21:18.16 | Chox | linters |
| 21:18.31 | donomo | ieatlint: do you have a source for daily FSO builds? |
| 21:18.32 | ieatlint | hey chox |
| 21:18.41 | zogs | because I love u-boot default it prety cool |
| 21:18.43 | satchmo | well tangogps is broken |
| 21:18.49 | ieatlint | donomo, are you asking me for a source? |
| 21:18.55 | donomo | ieatlint: yes, a url |
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| 21:19.05 | ieatlint | then nope |
| 21:19.11 | Kev_ | default u-boot has some bugs.. |
| 21:19.23 | donomo | ieatlint: how are you getting post-milestone2 FSO? |
| 21:19.25 | Torikun | zogs: can you boot yet |
| 21:19.28 | zogs | which u-boot version is beter? |
| 21:19.31 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.43 | ieatlint | heh |
| 21:19.50 | Kev_ | use the latest one.. |
| 21:20.01 | ieatlint | donomo, you could always compile it yourself |
| 21:20.23 | satchmo | opkg says Package gpsd (2.34-r9) installed in root is up to date. |
| 21:20.23 | donomo | ieatlint: true. i tried that a few days ago. ran out of disk space :( |
| 21:20.33 | donomo | ieatlint: downloading a jffs is so much easier |
| 21:20.44 | Kev_ | satchmo you have to configure gpsd... |
| 21:20.45 | Zorkman | satchmo: have you edited the file? |
| 21:20.46 | ieatlint | well, that sucks, heh |
| 21:21.04 | satchmo | which file? |
| 21:21.09 | donomo | ieatlint: heh. im also looking for the git url for FSO. i figure its in the mokomakefile somewhere |
| 21:21.34 | Kev_ | /etc/default/gpsd |
| 21:21.47 | Kev_ | then start it with "/etc/init.d/gpsd start" |
| 21:22.03 | satchmo | oh yeah to ttySAC1, right? no i haven't done that -- forgot |
| 21:22.32 | Kev_ | yes |
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| 21:24.24 | satchmo | Does anyone remember the gspd config line? |
| 21:24.40 | satchmo | It can look it up but if it is handy .... |
| 21:25.25 | Kev_ | GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1" |
| 21:26.06 | satchmo | thanks Kev -- any reason why that is not part of the default jffs? |
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| 21:30.02 | Kev__ | don't know, sorry :) |
| 21:30.03 | satchmo | Anyhow Tangogps is still broken -- no interaction for any of the buttons. At least I can quit it using 'remove'. |
| 21:30.13 | Kev__ | fucking 24hours disconnection |
| 21:33.04 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:39.01 | mjr | well, considering that nvidia is the only evil one left of the big three gpu makers ... ;) (no, matrox doesn't count anymore) |
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| 21:40.53 | ulix | hello people I just have like one day with the Om2008 and mi phone is not booting again |
| 21:41.26 | ulix | ello |
| 21:42.42 | satchmo | quick report on 0812 qtopia openmoko image re: gps -- TangoGPS (no button interaction) and GPSDrive ("Application run error") are broken. DiversityNav appears to work. |
| 21:43.20 | satchmo | Bye |
| 21:43.57 | Zorkman | ulix: did you boot from sd? |
| 21:44.02 | ulix | no |
| 21:44.36 | ulix | I used dfutil to upload the images and then opkg update && opkg upgrade |
| 21:44.45 | ulix | from my pc |
| 21:45.55 | ulix | the phone was working fine in the morning but when I get home it does not want to bootup again |
| 21:46.16 | ulix | is this an issue apart from me? |
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| 21:46.58 | Zorkman | maybe opkg upgrade broke something, sorry, gotta go to sleep |
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| 21:59.31 | lollydays | help! Trying to install terminal2 in OM2008.8 but libvte9 needs to be greater than 0.16.9. I can only find 0.16.8-r4 for arm4vt |
| 21:59.45 | lollydays | armv4t |
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| 22:01.11 | lollydays | no one around? |
| 22:02.23 | cga | is there a known bug for which the fr doesn't get charged by usb? |
| 22:02.51 | ecraven | someone mentioned something like that in here |
| 22:03.12 | cga | darn |
| 22:03.13 | Dave | YES |
| 22:03.17 | Dave | I DID |
| 22:03.22 | Dave | :( |
| 22:03.25 | Dave | Hey ecraven :P |
| 22:03.27 | Dave | bastard! |
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| 22:03.48 | lollydays | i'm getting errors when tryign to opkg install anything, any one know a fix/ |
| 22:04.01 | cga | Dave, did it happen after an upgrade? (2007.2 here btw) |
| 22:04.18 | Dave | huh? |
| 22:04.23 | Dave | It always happened |
| 22:04.25 | Dave | it happens often |
| 22:04.31 | Dave | usually reconnecting it works |
| 22:04.34 | cga | damn, it's first time for me |
| 22:04.38 | cga | doesn't |
| 22:04.38 | Dave | but it sometimes stops after a while |
| 22:04.43 | cga | at least here |
| 22:04.47 | Dave | it's kind of fucked up :D |
| 22:04.48 | cga | damn |
| 22:04.59 | cga | does the charger work? |
| 22:05.20 | cga | i try to reboot the fr |
| 22:05.37 | Dave | yea |
| 22:05.40 | Dave | did you try the wall charger? |
| 22:05.45 | cga | not yet |
| 22:05.50 | cga | i try to reboot the fr first |
| 22:06.10 | cga | hey!! i'm a windows user! look mama!! |
| 22:06.19 | cga | i reboot with no hands! |
| 22:06.58 | Dave | :p |
| 22:07.02 | Dave | :D |
| 22:07.14 | CVirus | Does pure Qtopia suspend/resume reliably ? |
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| 22:09.13 | lollydays | CVirus, it did for me |
| 22:10.14 | lollydays | damnit, I can't import my effing contacts because the damn OM2008.8 doesn't have a terminal |
| 22:10.26 | lollydays | is there a way I can run commands through SSH on the actual device? |
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| 22:10.28 | CVirus | lollydays: for how long have you been using it ? |
| 22:10.49 | lollydays | CVirus, I had been using it until last friday's release |
| 22:11.17 | CVirus | lollydays: how many days can the battery last ? |
| 22:11.28 | lollydays | not too long, maybe a day or two |
| 22:11.47 | CVirus | lollydays: you are able to recieve phone calls during suspend ? |
| 22:12.05 | CVirus | lollydays: don't you get this "white screen" that people talk about ? |
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| 22:12.31 | lollydays | with Qtopia? I didn't get the white screen, although I haven't used Qtopia since friday |
| 22:12.43 | cga | Dave, plugging/unplugging the wall charger then plugging usb does the trick |
| 22:12.57 | CVirus | lollydays: are you able to recieve phone calls during suspend ? |
| 22:13.14 | lollydays | is there any way you can run commands on the FR through SSH? |
| 22:13.40 | lollydays | i want to run the /opt/Qtopia/bin/addressbook to import my contacts |
| 22:14.35 | lollydays | CVirus, yeah, I could get calls when on suspend |
| 22:14.35 | McKael | lollydays: just like the other images, using USB networking |
| 22:15.12 | CVirus | lollydays: in your personal opinion .. do you think it's reliable to use FreeRunner + Qtopia on dialy basis ? |
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| 22:16.00 | lollydays | CVirus, probably not. I mean you could probably make it work but you'd probably miss plenty of calls |
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| 22:16.15 | CVirus | lollydays: why would I miss plenty of calls ? |
| 22:16.27 | summatusmentis | FreeRunners are sold out? |
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| 22:16.38 | lollydays | CVirus, Qtopia can answer calls when in suspend but sometimes it crashes |
| 22:16.40 | lollydays | at least for me |
| 22:16.46 | lollydays | or the mic wouldn't turn on |
| 22:17.00 | lollydays | also SMS messages would only be recieved after a fresh reboot |
| 22:17.02 | CVirus | hmm |
| 22:17.10 | lollydays | so yeah, you could make it work it would just be a handful |
| 22:17.24 | lollydays | McKael, I know but how do you run a command on the phone itself? the import program on OM2008.8 has a GUI |
| 22:17.47 | McKael | Then that's not the good question :p |
| 22:17.58 | lollydays | what? |
| 22:18.04 | McKael | Maybe with openssh and ssh -X ? |
| 22:18.27 | McKael | Or do you just want to launch the program? |
| 22:18.43 | McKael | in which case "DISPLAY=:0 command" should work |
| 22:18.44 | lollydays | i've been trying that, but when the GUI opens up on my desktop it runs the import and the last step is to hit next, but I can't see a next |
| 22:18.50 | lollydays | I jsut want to launch it |
| 22:19.28 | lollydays | when do I run the DISPLAY command |
| 22:19.56 | McKael | In your ssh shell |
| 22:19.59 | McKael | You can do |
| 22:20.09 | McKael | $ export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 22:20.12 | McKael | $ command |
| 22:20.57 | McKael | Hmm. Can't get mplayer to run on Qtopia. Looks like the libxv package is empty. |
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| 22:21.26 | McKael | which makes sense, actually |
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| 22:22.20 | lollydays | thanks Mckael, worked like a charm |
| 22:22.32 | McKael | lollydays: great |
| 22:22.33 | CVirus | Can I install a browser on Qtopia ? |
| 22:23.17 | Sargun | yeah |
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| 22:34.23 | KenYoung | k |
| 22:34.25 | Pjj | hm is there any other text editor available on the neo other then vi? :p |
| 22:34.37 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r24a61b61c521 10/packages/efl1/ (ecore.inc ecore_cvs.bb): [ecore] Fix DEPENDS to make the build deterministic |
| 22:34.37 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r4094dddf4d8c 10/packages/efl1/ (evas.inc evas_cvs.bb): [evas] Fix DEPENDS to make the build deterministic |
| 22:34.39 | CVirus | what do you want ? gedit ? |
| 22:34.56 | Pjj | for example ;) |
| 22:35.12 | CVirus | hehe |
| 22:35.15 | CVirus | no clue |
| 22:35.26 | KenYoung | sed is available. |
| 22:35.27 | Pjj | nah something like nano, just simple |
| 22:35.35 | CVirus | LOL @ KenYoung |
| 22:35.45 | KenYoung | I couldn't resist. |
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| 22:37.19 | mmontour | I ported nedit to the Neo a while ago. It works well over an ssh-forwarded X connection from a PC; haven't tried it on the Neo's screen |
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| 22:45.37 | rwhitby | Pjj: emacs builds for, and runs on, the Neo |
| 22:48.10 | Dave | yo yo yo |
| 22:48.30 | Dave | mmontour, so I just mounted that sd card here, the strange one from earlier... |
| 22:48.44 | Dave | It reports having 0 Inodes (at all0 |
| 22:48.56 | Dave | Seems like it's just not reporting it though. |
| 22:49.02 | Dave | df -i, that is. |
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| 22:50.27 | mmontour | that sounds impossible. Have you tried e2fsck'ing it? |
| 22:51.59 | mmontour | "df -i" should report total, used, and free inodes. The first two have to be non-zero. |
| 22:51.59 | Dave | nah I haven't |
| 22:52.07 | Dave | df -i reports |
| 22:52.34 | Dave | /dev/sdc1 0 0 0 - /media/usbdisk |
| 22:52.40 | Dave | strange, right? |
| 22:52.49 | Dave | every other system disk reports correctly, however. |
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| 22:54.00 | mmontour | yeah, something's wrong there. Can you see files if you 'ls /media/usbdisk'? And what filesystem is it using? (type "mount" and look for the row for /dev/sdc1) |
| 22:54.02 | Dave | mmontour, since I'm losing interest in trying to decipher the oddities that surround this issue and just get on with my work, I was going to just reformat the sd card and transfer my sources via pc now. |
| 22:54.08 | Dave | yeah I can see the files just fine though. |
| 22:54.15 | Dave | the filesystem it is using is FAT16 |
| 22:54.20 | kdubois | is there a media player for the fso yet? |
| 22:54.25 | Dave | I mounted it as vfat (of course) |
| 22:54.33 | mmontour | oh. Use a real filesystem (ext3). |
| 22:54.37 | Dave | haha, well yeah |
| 22:54.48 | Dave | Honestly though I figure maybe it got corrupted? or it surely ran out of inodes |
| 22:54.52 | Dave | I just think it's strange. |
| 22:55.10 | mmontour | it would be "FAT entries" or whatever MS uses, not inodes. |
| 22:55.20 | Dave | hah |
| 22:55.23 | Dave | I have no idea :) |
| 22:55.52 | Dave | could it hurt to run anything more, or is the curiousity now gone? :) |
| 22:56.36 | mmontour | Curiosity is gone - just reformat as ext3. |
| 22:56.45 | Dave | huhu |
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| 23:09.33 | mellhen | hi@all |
| 23:09.50 | Kev__ | hi |
| 23:10.04 | mellhen | does anybody know if ic can use the openmoko with linuxmce |
| 23:10.16 | mellhen | eg as an remotecontrol |
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| 23:16.04 | MrTuttle | I'm trying to "import gtk" in a python script on the gta02 with 2008.8, but I get the error: NameError: name 'init' is not defined |
| 23:16.10 | MrTuttle | any hints? |
| 23:19.04 | kgoetz | mellhen: depends what it requires |
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| 23:26.17 | Spida | anybody here who has a freerunner and is located in west-germany? like aachen or cologne? |
| 23:26.44 | Spida | I'd like to see one before I buy it.... |
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| 23:32.13 | Wonka | Spida: i had mine at the ICMP4... |
| 23:32.30 | Wonka | can someone tell me where bluez-util's pand has gone? |
| 23:32.37 | Wonka | it's not there anymore |
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| 23:37.13 | Centaur5 | Is there a reason other than a defective battery that the device wouldn't turn on with ONLY that battery in it even with the charger hooked up? |
| 23:37.53 | kgoetz | Centaur5 because th ebattery is totaly flat? |
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| 23:38.50 | Centaur5 | kgoetz: The charger doesn't supply sufficient voltage to turn it on while it charges? |
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| 23:39.47 | UndrWater2 | gr |
| 23:40.16 | kgoetz | Centaur5: doesnt a tottaly flat battery stop it booting? |
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| 23:45.00 | Pjj | what could be the reason my neo has an everage of 85 ms ping time to my wirelless router? |
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| 23:45.56 | donomo | cordless phones |
| 23:46.03 | donomo | just a guess |
| 23:46.38 | Centaur5 | kgoetz: You're right, I had to let it charge for 5 minutes before it had sufficient charge to turn on. I've never seen that in a phone. Sorry for the dumb question. |
| 23:47.17 | remme | how can i get the latest fso on my phone? will putting milestone 2 on and doing an opkg update work? |
| 23:47.39 | cjb | remme: it doesn't come with opkg repos set up |
| 23:47.39 | wyeager | is there one alsamixer volume control for the handset earpiece? Which one is it? |
| 23:47.49 | cjb | I'm not sure how to do it, would be curious to find out |
| 23:47.56 | donomo | is curious too |
| 23:47.58 | playya | can someone tell me the names of gsm in-/output and mic in for alsa? |
| 23:48.06 | cjb | I think there might just not be opkg repos for fso |
| 23:48.13 | remme | cjb: i'm thinking you have to compile the whole thing yourself, which is a giant pain |
| 23:48.36 | cjb | yes |
| 23:48.42 | cjb | it seems odd not to provide a build host that does it |
| 23:48.48 | cjb | maybe I should offer to provide one |
| 23:48.51 | cjb | mickey|zzZZzz: ^ |
| 23:49.03 | cjb | no point in everyone compiling separately. |
| 23:49.23 | kgoetz | Centaur5: i think its a known problem |
| 23:49.50 | remme | i just want sms to work on the fso :( |
| 23:49.54 | Centaur5 | Anybody know if there is a warranty on dead pixels for the freerunner? |
| 23:50.17 | cjb | remme: oh, SMS notifications? yeah |
| 23:51.48 | mmontour | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_audio_subsystem for alsamixer naming stuff (the page has a mix of Neo1973 and Freerunner info, but it's a good place to start) |
| 23:52.10 | playya | mmontour, i know this page |
| 23:52.21 | playya | but are the pin names = alsa names? |
| 23:53.33 | mmontour | it now has a diagram marked with the numbers of the controls in the alsa state files |
| 23:54.03 | mmontour | you can look in those files to get the name of each control |
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| 23:56.15 | playya | ok |
| 23:56.27 | playya | if this works you are my hero mmontour |
| 23:56.49 | mmontour | thank the guy who marked up that diagram (wasn't me) |
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| 23:58.26 | playya | didn't know it and i ask a lot of people |
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