| 00:00.17 | rooly|away | http://rooly.g0dsoft.com/blog4.php/2008/08/02/the-openmoko-freerunner |
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| 00:02.18 | Infoport | torindel: bleah! the rotated screen has the same keyboard I think, but it is to the left, and screen acts as if it is centered (mis-aligned) |
| 00:02.55 | rooly|away | i'll consider naming it Elevation too |
| 00:03.24 | raster | rooly|away: ummm... i didn't doubt it'd run.. i was much more thinking about "framerate |
| 00:03.29 | raster | ie -is it usable |
| 00:03.50 | rooly|away | yeah yeah, framerate is an issue, but it'll just require optimization |
| 00:03.59 | raster | hahahahaha |
| 00:04.00 | raster | sorry |
| 00:04.03 | raster | i have to giggle here |
| 00:04.05 | raster | seriously |
| 00:04.11 | raster | it uses opengl? |
| 00:04.14 | raster | (i assume)? |
| 00:04.14 | rooly|away | i was getting 6-8 fps on the gtk engine using a full debug mode in the slow software |
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| 00:04.55 | raster | 6-8fps fullscreen with a single blue background and white cube? |
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| 00:05.13 | rooly|away | in debug |
| 00:05.33 | rooly|away | the engine had zero to none in terms of speed/size optimization |
| 00:05.33 | raster | debug wont change much unless its spewing out 1000's of line sof text a second |
| 00:05.40 | raster | its not that |
| 00:05.46 | raster | its the fact u will be software rendering |
| 00:05.51 | raster | as u wont be getting hardware help |
| 00:05.57 | rooly|away | yup yup |
| 00:05.57 | raster | and opengl software is absymally slow |
| 00:06.11 | rooly|away | i can vouce for that one... |
| 00:06.13 | raster | and beyond basically rewritign thew software rasterisring etc. in opengl |
| 00:06.17 | raster | u arent going to optimise |
| 00:06.21 | rooly|away | the opengl mesa is slower than the slow software |
| 00:06.25 | raster | there isnt much room to move |
| 00:06.30 | raster | simply beyond giving opengl less to draw |
| 00:06.44 | raster | so irrlicht has its own software engine? |
| 00:06.47 | rooly|away | 2 in fact |
| 00:06.50 | raster | aaah |
| 00:06.50 | raster | ok |
| 00:06.54 | raster | then you may have a hope |
| 00:06.57 | raster | it wont be great |
| 00:07.14 | rooly|away | 1 has over-aggressive culling, the other has everything but shaders and can be compiled 2 different ways |
| 00:07.15 | SpeedEvil | passes raster a box labelled '3D x server for glamo onboard RISC'. |
| 00:07.19 | raster | i have a software engine i wrote a decade ago that runs on the FR and neo1973 |
| 00:07.27 | raster | it managed 7-8fps with textures |
| 00:07.32 | raster | with a bunch of cubes |
| 00:07.36 | SpeedEvil | watches as the box opens, and a huge rubber centipede explodes from it. |
| 00:07.45 | raster | and some gouraud shading and slens flare... |
| 00:07.53 | raster | but i never really got it beyond the stage of a simple test engine |
| 00:08.17 | Infoport | torindel: how do I reverse the rotation? -o right didnt do it |
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| 00:08.24 | raster | SpeedEvil: the openrisc core on the glamo is useless |
| 00:08.30 | SpeedEvil | raster: it is? |
| 00:08.33 | raster | beyond no docs at all even under nda, on how to program it |
| 00:08.34 | rooly|away | pretty much |
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| 00:08.37 | raster | its also slow |
| 00:08.39 | raster | according to smedia |
| 00:08.41 | raster | about 50mhz |
| 00:08.42 | SpeedEvil | raster: ah |
| 00:08.47 | raster | u wont be getting anything useful out of it |
| 00:08.53 | raster | well u may get something |
| 00:08.55 | raster | if u knew how |
| 00:09.01 | SpeedEvil | raster: I'd guess it's targetted at reading data from the SD |
| 00:09.08 | raster | but wouldit be worth the massiv e effort to hand-write your own openrisc assembly? |
| 00:09.10 | SpeedEvil | raster: and feeding the other engines |
| 00:09.12 | raster | for 1 chip? |
| 00:09.21 | raster | its targetted as more of a management chip |
| 00:09.22 | rooly|away | that won't be in the next phone, btw |
| 00:09.29 | raster | just controlling the other bits of silicon |
| 00:09.33 | raster | ro bingo |
| 00:09.35 | torindel | Infoport: -o normal |
| 00:09.37 | raster | so u write it for FR |
| 00:09.40 | raster | then that code is throw-away |
| 00:09.44 | SpeedEvil | raster: yeah - I know. |
| 00:09.45 | rooly|away | mm hmm |
| 00:09.47 | raster | as it will never be used on another device |
| 00:09.47 | Infoport | torindel nevermind, tired --help |
| 00:09.47 | raster | :( |
| 00:10.04 | Infoport | torindel: oops, thanks for replying |
| 00:10.11 | SpeedEvil | raster: I was working on the GPS reverse engineering for the gta01, and that stalled when it wasn't in GTA02 |
| 00:10.15 | Infoport | tried --help I mean |
| 00:10.21 | raster | SpeedEvil: fully understand |
| 00:10.28 | SpeedEvil | wasted code is annoying. |
| 00:10.35 | raster | SpeedEvil: *IF* the hardware was like the ps2 pr ps/ or gamebuce or psp |
| 00:10.40 | rooly|away | btw |
| 00:10.44 | raster | where a hw platform is developed and has a 5-10 year lifepsan |
| 00:10.49 | raster | with millions and millions of units |
| 00:10.52 | raster | its worth squeezing the hw |
| 00:10.57 | raster | as there is tonnes of it |
| 00:11.00 | raster | and its not going away |
| 00:11.03 | rooly|away | if anyone is looking for a case for their FR, a perfectly sized and fitted one is made by Seidio |
| 00:11.08 | raster | like the amiga |
| 00:11.10 | raster | or atari-st |
| 00:11.13 | raster | c-64 |
| 00:11.13 | raster | etc. |
| 00:11.25 | raster | but if u know |
| 00:11.27 | raster | it is a matter of 12 months before its obsolete and utterly different |
| 00:11.30 | Infoport | rooly: got a pic or link? |
| 00:11.36 | rooly|away | 1 minute |
| 00:11.42 | raster | squeezing all u can out of it becomes a game in guessing the point of diminishng returns |
| 00:11.48 | SpeedEvil | raster: totally agree. |
| 00:11.50 | raster | and making sure u have a forward-portability api in place |
| 00:12.08 | raster | ie - you need to guess where "well - i can spend another month of code - but how much will i get out of it?" |
| 00:12.33 | raster | i suspect with the glamo it's already at that stage |
| 00:12.38 | SpeedEvil | If FR had sold 50K, things'd be different. |
| 00:12.41 | SpeedEvil | But... |
| 00:12.57 | raster | 50k is nothing |
| 00:13.01 | raster | in the scheme of gadgets :) |
| 00:13.04 | Infoport | torindel: heck I'm shutting it down, and hoping it wont be rotated upon reboot. parts became off-screen :-( |
| 00:13.04 | SpeedEvil | I know. |
| 00:13.06 | raster | but even if |
| 00:13.09 | raster | that'd be a while from now |
| 00:13.18 | raster | and by then u're staring down the barrel of a successor |
| 00:13.21 | raster | :) |
| 00:13.59 | torindel | Infoport: o_O |
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| 00:14.30 | Infoport | raster: but sometime in the future, people will be getting old ones for $20 and making them into routers or print servers or bicycle mileage meters :-) |
| 00:14.33 | torindel | Infoport: i didnt had that much problems with fso keyboard as it rotated corectly and nothing come out of screen |
| 00:14.36 | raster | SpeedEvil: that's one reason i'd not mind to see mp3g4 decode accel |
| 00:14.42 | raster | but the problem is an api that works with x/xv |
| 00:14.54 | raster | where u can sanely feed already encoded streams |
| 00:15.03 | raster | and have x handle pumping them to the right deocde pipeline |
| 00:15.15 | raster | then at least u have a generic wrapping api |
| 00:15.22 | raster | and so the next piece of hw that supports codecs in hw |
| 00:15.27 | raster | can adverttise its codec support |
| 00:15.34 | raster | and using the same api in your app - you feed it codec data |
| 00:15.56 | raster | Infoport: and for that hey wont need any more powerful glamo accel ;) |
| 00:16.21 | Infoport | raster: depends on how fast you pedal |
| 00:16.43 | Infoport | "with a name like Glamo, it *has* to be good" |
| 00:17.25 | Infoport | didn;t remember to hold AUX, so I'm testing OM2007 again I guess |
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| 00:22.26 | Infoport | I need rest, or wife might find me with key-prints on my face (again) |
| 00:24.03 | aevin | just put a pillow on top of your hands (in case you fall asleep) while continuing hacking on your phone. problem solved. |
| 00:24.37 | rooly|away | is gonna put up photos in a minute |
| 00:25.04 | Toaster` | Evening all. Is there a way to have the screen wake up on an incoming call? I'm using the current OM2007.2 build, and incoming calls ring, and I can answer since I know where the buttons are, but I would like to be able to see them, incase someone other then myself is using my FR |
| 00:26.28 | Toaster` | as a note, my FR isn't suspended, only screen locked |
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| 00:32.26 | Toaster` | Any idea on my above? |
| 00:42.00 | pjz | speaking of selling 50k, anyone know how many FR's DID get sold? |
| 00:43.03 | rooly|away | http://rooly.g0dsoft.com/uploaded/OpenMokoCase/ |
| 00:43.09 | rooly|away | that's the case i was talking about Infoport |
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| 00:44.40 | Toaster` | rooly|away: which case is that? |
| 00:45.02 | rooly|away | couldn't give you a model#, all i know is it's made by seidio |
| 00:45.35 | Toaster` | ok.cool |
| 00:45.55 | rooly|away | i picked it up in an airport for ~40$'s |
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| 00:50.42 | Infoport | rooly: looks like the case is sized right! (and with a cable-hole too) I don't do leather though, and I bought the extra-pack to get the OpenMoko soft case (and 2 more batteries) |
| 00:51.05 | Infoport | rooly: I've thought that maybe a thin hard protective case would be good |
| 00:51.26 | ieatlint | the spares pack is a good deal |
| 00:51.35 | Infoport | actually, a hard cover to slide over the front, a la Nokia 770, would be nice |
| 00:51.42 | ieatlint | although the case... dunno how useful it really is :P |
| 00:53.23 | rooly|away | that soft case thing? |
| 00:53.25 | rooly|away | has one |
| 00:53.26 | jomat | My mother makes a lot of things with felt, I conviced her to make a cover for my neo :-) |
| 00:53.29 | rooly|away | it's not particularly useful |
| 00:53.36 | ieatlint | it's more of a bag |
| 00:53.38 | rooly|away | yeah |
| 00:53.46 | rooly|away | marbles would work better than a phone |
| 00:53.46 | ieatlint | openmoko dice bag! |
| 00:54.10 | rooly|away | they need to sell a car charger... |
| 00:54.13 | ieatlint | if i were to buy a case, it would need to have a convenient way to store a stylus |
| 00:54.20 | rooly|away | i had to buy an inverter just to charge my phone in the car |
| 00:54.38 | rooly|away | ( and then promptly blew out my car's power-port fuse) ) |
| 00:54.48 | ieatlint | you can find generic usb car chargers |
| 00:54.57 | ieatlint | 12v to 5v dc step |
| 00:54.59 | rooly|away | i've tried 2 from wally-world |
| 00:55.04 | rooly|away | neither would charge it |
| 00:55.18 | ieatlint | as in, not at all, or it would only pull 100mA? |
| 00:55.24 | rooly|away | not at all |
| 00:55.29 | ieatlint | weird |
| 00:55.33 | rooly|away | i noticed a usb connection |
| 00:55.34 | rooly|away | and that was it |
| 00:55.48 | ieatlint | i have a generic one... it's a car charger with a standard type a usb port on it, .5A |
| 00:56.00 | ieatlint | i have to force my phone to pull 500mA from it, but it works |
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| 00:59.04 | Yanroy | ok, well, if I'm understanding the topic right, then the question I came here for is answered |
| 00:59.06 | Yanroy | sorta |
| 00:59.18 | Yanroy | I know buildhost doesn't have ASU on it, but I was wondering where to get a daily of it? |
| 00:59.31 | Yanroy | I'm about to flash the new release, but I'd like opkg to automatically track the dailies for me |
| 00:59.43 | Yanroy | with 2007.2, flashing a daily would make it do that |
| 00:59.56 | ieatlint | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882328003 for instance, 5v 500mA output over usb |
| 01:00.04 | ieatlint | $8.99 |
| 01:00.19 | rooly|away | there weren't any at wally-world |
| 01:01.46 | Yanroy | can anyone set me straight? |
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| 01:03.25 | Yanroy | I'm also looking for a current uboot, which I'm suspecting is not on buildhost |
| 01:03.48 | Dave | Hrm |
| 01:03.59 | Dave | $8.99? |
| 01:04.05 | Dave | For what? |
| 01:04.07 | kgoetz | i thought theres a new u-boot in the 0808 directory |
| 01:04.17 | ieatlint | you can probably find a better one... perhaps one with 1A output |
| 01:04.32 | Dave | charger? |
| 01:04.39 | ieatlint | Dave: yeah |
| 01:04.47 | ieatlint | car charger... gives you a powered usb port |
| 01:05.03 | Dave | Ah, yeah |
| 01:05.17 | Dave | I got a bunch of nice ones a couple weeks ago |
| 01:05.26 | Dave | they were like $10 each though |
| 01:06.12 | Dave | it's one of those zero-space usb devices :p |
| 01:07.25 | ieatlint | well, if i can find one with 1A, i'm buying it |
| 01:07.31 | ieatlint | but 500mA isn't a bad deal |
| 01:07.53 | Dave | right |
| 01:08.40 | Dave | I mean, I already have a jiggawatt inverter, so it's not a problem anyway :P |
| 01:09.01 | ieatlint | it's spelt gigawatt, and "jigga" is a correct pronunciation :P |
| 01:09.28 | Dave | indeed. |
| 01:09.42 | Dave | I was talking about jiggawatts though, not gigawatts :P |
| 01:09.55 | Dave | you know... it takes a lightning bolt to power :p |
| 01:10.10 | ieatlint | ah, well, if you're driving a delorean ... well ... awesome! |
| 01:10.26 | Dave | Solid steel construction, baby! |
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| 01:10.49 | stevenSn | so I've built the toolchain with bitbake to cross compile from my ppc, but I'm not sure how I should install it (do I install the ipkg on my ppc machine? ) |
| 01:10.53 | mmu_man | seems openmoko uses EABI... |
| 01:11.04 | mmu_man | wondering what to take for an Haiku port... |
| 01:11.07 | Infoport | rooly: but the soft bag lets everyone know I have a cool OpenMoko phone :-P but it does help keep it clean/scratch-free, holds an extra battery or SD card in plastic if I need, and keeps it in my pocket |
| 01:11.14 | mmu_man | I suppose I should go right away to eabi |
| 01:11.38 | Dave | So what stunning accomplishments have you made in my absense, lint? |
| 01:11.43 | rooly|away | haha |
| 01:11.45 | ieatlint | mmu_man: haiku only supports x86, with vague plans for x86_64 and no plans for anything else |
| 01:12.01 | ieatlint | Dave: uhm, i drove a lot |
| 01:12.17 | ieatlint | and i went to the grocery store |
| 01:12.20 | mmu_man | ieatlint actually no |
| 01:12.25 | ieatlint | and at some point i'm supposed to make dinner |
| 01:12.27 | SUNWjoejaxx | hey mmu_man :D |
| 01:12.29 | mmu_man | we do have a ppc port |
| 01:12.41 | mmu_man | which worked at one point, but isn't much maintained |
| 01:12.43 | ieatlint | interesting... i'm going off what the website said :P |
| 01:12.47 | mmu_man | and I started an m68k port |
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| 01:13.12 | ieatlint | well, i was a beos user (still have the cd somewhere, hehe)... so i surely won't complain |
| 01:13.14 | mmu_man | well that's the officially supported target, doesn't mean we don't explore others |
| 01:13.30 | stevenSn | mmu_man: All I want is the toolchain on the ppc, so I can cross compile to the arm. I've built the toolchain I'm just not show how to install it. |
| 01:13.37 | mmu_man | http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_haiku_m68k_loader_010.png |
| 01:14.04 | Infoport | hmm. should my wifi suddenly connect once I put the password in Settings>Wiki? |
| 01:14.08 | mmu_man | stevenSn ? |
| 01:14.10 | stevenSn | another way of asking my question is "If you build the toolchain from scratch with bitbake, how do you get it into /usr/local/openmoko/arm |
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| 01:14.22 | Infoport | oops/ Settings>Wifi |
| 01:14.29 | mmu_man | how would I know |
| 01:14.39 | ieatlint | Dave: i should probably like upload some stuff... but that would involve... i dunno, a bunch of scp commands and such |
| 01:14.50 | mmu_man | Haiku has its own way of building the cross gcc |
| 01:14.53 | mmu_man | :) |
| 01:15.00 | Dave | yeah man |
| 01:15.10 | Dave | the whole thing smacks effort... |
| 01:15.18 | Dave | ... and effort sucks. |
| 01:15.27 | rooly|away | is the FR thread-friendly? |
| 01:15.40 | ieatlint | i already got surprised when my hosted server went down because google marked an email from my hosting provider as spam that advised me of a rack move and ip change |
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| 01:16.07 | Dave | hah |
| 01:16.17 | Dave | Were you thoroughly surprised? |
| 01:16.38 | ieatlint | yeah, the good kind of surprised though |
| 01:16.46 | Dave | Oh, okay. |
| 01:17.03 | Dave | Alright, good, so long as you weren't totally infuriated. |
| 01:17.11 | Dave | You probably save that for the freerunner development ;) |
| 01:17.20 | ieatlint | eh... my email doesn't run on it, so no real harm |
| 01:17.23 | Dave | Let the hate flow through you... |
| 01:17.32 | rooly|away | so...does anyone know... |
| 01:17.38 | rooly|away | threading on the FR, useful? |
| 01:17.39 | ieatlint | no, i let it flow onto others, bastard |
| 01:17.47 | Dave | haha |
| 01:17.56 | Dave | Good, I'll know who to blame now ;) |
| 01:18.01 | Dave | rooly, it works fine. |
| 01:18.05 | Dave | What more do you want to know? |
| 01:18.15 | rooly|away | nothing |
| 01:18.21 | Dave | Okay :) |
| 01:18.24 | ieatlint | i'll finish up my power app and upload it with a screenshot i support |
| 01:18.27 | Dave | it even works with java! *shudder* |
| 01:18.27 | rooly|away | just wanna set up my rendering threads sperate from my gui/input |
| 01:18.34 | Dave | ieatlint: kinky |
| 01:18.43 | rooly|away | that way, i can make the two non-dependant of each other |
| 01:18.51 | Dave | sneak preview please :p |
| 01:18.54 | rooly|away | improving app frame rate |
| 01:19.08 | Dave | independent of one another? |
| 01:19.22 | Dave | :P |
| 01:19.33 | rooly|away | yeah, so finger scrolling isn't so clumsy |
| 01:19.38 | Dave | yeah t blows |
| 01:19.42 | Dave | plus needs more memories |
| 01:19.47 | Dave | I hear mega swap makes it sexy |
| 01:20.00 | rooly|away | i think i can manage with only 128 megs ram |
| 01:20.25 | Dave | hardly |
| 01:20.35 | Dave | well, maybe if you're *just* scrolling the app menus :P |
| 01:20.41 | Dave | and keeping track of time |
| 01:20.49 | Dave | man, don't you know ANYTHING about linux (with X) :P |
| 01:20.53 | Dave | hah |
| 01:21.08 | rooly|away | yeah, i can manage |
| 01:21.13 | rooly|away | uses his phone to compile |
| 01:21.14 | Dave | ;) |
| 01:21.19 | Dave | haha, yeah so do I |
| 01:21.24 | Dave | I get whacked for it, but hey |
| 01:21.29 | rooly|away | bullocks to cross-compiling |
| 01:21.33 | Dave | beats having to fuck with the toolchain ;D |
| 01:21.37 | Dave | hides |
| 01:21.44 | Dave | even if it takes 50hrs :D |
| 01:21.55 | jomat | *f* |
| 01:21.59 | jomat | *g* |
| 01:22.14 | rooly|away | need alien so's that i can make targ's and then ipk them |
| 01:22.18 | jomat | is doing the same on a NSLU2 :-) |
| 01:22.24 | Dave | hell yeah |
| 01:22.30 | Dave | jomat :D |
| 01:22.33 | Dave | haha, evil |
| 01:22.38 | Dave | one of us! :] |
| 01:22.42 | jomat | *gg* |
| 01:22.55 | rooly|away | jomat: did you hear my next project? |
| 01:23.02 | Dave | no :P |
| 01:23.04 | Dave | do we want to? :P |
| 01:23.10 | jomat | No, im' more or less idle :-) |
| 01:23.11 | Dave | hahahaha |
| 01:23.15 | rooly|away | a google-earth like gps app, reminiscent of tango |
| 01:23.24 | Dave | gah |
| 01:23.28 | Dave | THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! |
| 01:23.37 | Dave | challenges rooly |
| 01:23.43 | rooly|away | meh, diversity apps kinda blow |
| 01:23.50 | Dave | uhh, duh? |
| 01:23.51 | jomat|away | Ahm, ppl, I've to go to bed :-) |
| 01:23.53 | Dave | :) |
| 01:23.56 | niklauz | the quickening is upon us |
| 01:24.01 | Dave | Bye Jomat |
| 01:24.09 | rooly|away | hrm |
| 01:24.09 | jomat|away | n8! |
| 01:24.12 | Dave | niklauz :D |
| 01:24.17 | rooly|away | which gui api to use... |
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| 01:24.24 | jomat|away | *gg* (nice idea) |
| 01:24.34 | rooly|away | i'd use the internal irrlicht one, but then i lose my threading |
| 01:24.46 | Dave | needs more german |
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| 01:24.55 | Dave | rooly, and yeah, that kind of blows :P |
| 01:25.22 | Dave | man, it'd be nice if sound worked on this pc... |
| 01:25.32 | rooly|away | and i'm wary of the gtk+ gui, since it's been faulty with my OM image |
| 01:25.55 | Dave | Faulty? how so? |
| 01:26.09 | rooly|away | well for one, tangogps doesnt render the maps at all |
| 01:26.29 | rooly|away | for another, when using the keyboard, the windows don't redraw when scrolled |
| 01:26.35 | Dave | Wtf? |
| 01:26.46 | Dave | bad luck? |
| 01:26.48 | rooly|away | they don't redraw at all actually |
| 01:26.54 | Dave | hah! |
| 01:26.57 | rooly|away | so, i've gotta type and hope |
| 01:27.03 | Dave | scary |
| 01:27.06 | rooly|away | pull down the keyboard, and retry if i messed up |
| 01:27.10 | rooly|away | only with gtk apps tho |
| 01:27.47 | Dave | ick |
| 01:27.55 | Dave | man what the fuck image is this on, anyway? |
| 01:27.57 | Dave | ASU? SHR? |
| 01:28.09 | rooly|away | the om2008.8.5 image, upgraded |
| 01:28.11 | Dave | GTK seems to work fine for me, on all GTK versions thus far... :P |
| 01:28.13 | Dave | ahah |
| 01:28.19 | Dave | I hear 2008 is a barrel of laughs |
| 01:28.38 | Dave | and temporary piece of shit/fail :P |
| 01:28.59 | Dave | 2008.8 is supposed to be nice (eye candy wise, I suppose) |
| 01:29.09 | Dave | 20080808 was said to be rather explosive :p |
| 01:29.49 | rooly|away | it's rather nice |
| 01:29.56 | rooly|away | i'm not using the 080808 image |
| 01:30.08 | Dave | :P |
| 01:30.15 | Dave | Not that daring, huh? ;p |
| 01:30.27 | rooly|away | hahaha, from what i've heard, my pre-release version is more stable |
| 01:30.46 | rooly|away | hrm |
| 01:30.52 | rooly|away | what do i want to use for my gui |
| 01:30.54 | Dave | I think I'm going to play more games on the freerunner now :p |
| 01:31.06 | Dave | rooly, something that doesn't totally suck? |
| 01:31.17 | Dave | Man, I'd even be happy if you settled with SDL :P |
| 01:31.22 | rooly|away | i could probably manage using SDL gui |
| 01:31.28 | Dave | :D |
| 01:31.30 | Dave | ;) |
| 01:31.38 | rooly|away | thread the 3d/2d engine's rendering |
| 01:31.44 | Dave | yep |
| 01:31.46 | Dave | it'd be hot |
| 01:31.54 | Dave | and hopefully not terribly slow, either :) |
| 01:31.56 | Dave | fuck |
| 01:32.04 | rooly|away | well, the 3d will probably be slow |
| 01:32.06 | Dave | I need to compile fb for om |
| 01:32.08 | Dave | :D |
| 01:32.51 | rooly|away | i just figured out how i'm gonna do it |
| 01:32.52 | Dave | Fuck, I mean, that alone would be a decent selling point, hah! |
| 01:32.58 | Dave | rooly, wonderful. |
| 01:33.04 | Dave | Now find out how to get a keyboard working with X :) |
| 01:33.31 | rooly|away | thread the rendering, and only redraw the rendered view after it's update itself |
| 01:33.39 | rooly|away | but keep the gui responsive |
| 01:34.16 | Dave | duh? |
| 01:34.32 | Dave | That's nice, but some of us have bigger priorities :P |
| 01:34.40 | rooly|away | yeah, like...talking on irc |
| 01:34.46 | rooly|away | i meant the implementation, dave |
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| 01:35.16 | rooly|away | since the gui would be partially transparent in the best case |
| 01:35.37 | Dave | haha |
| 01:35.40 | Dave | Yeah I know ;) |
| 01:35.56 | Dave | Meanwhile, Qtopia's slick, but there's no apps for it. :P |
| 01:35.57 | rooly|away | and keeping a transparent gui on top of a threaded render is rather difficult |
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| 01:36.19 | Dave | difficult to run smoothly |
| 01:36.51 | cjb | made a bloggy: http://blog.printf.net/articles/2008/08/11/an-openmoko-bike-ride |
| 01:37.10 | Dave | heh, you finally did it, eh cjb? ;) |
| 01:37.34 | cjb | yup, the planet aligned |
| 01:37.42 | Dave | :) |
| 01:37.53 | cjb | I think the fall from the crappy bike holder broke my AUX button, though |
| 01:38.00 | Dave | cjb, aww shit |
| 01:38.00 | rooly|away | what's the gps-dev written in? |
| 01:38.05 | Dave | I was afraid it might fall |
| 01:38.08 | Dave | :| |
| 01:38.12 | cjb | it doesn't seem to depress anymore. probably fixable just by taking off the front cover and stuff. |
| 01:38.21 | Dave | rooly: hiss |
| 01:38.29 | Dave | cjb, probably |
| 01:38.36 | cjb | Dave: it did pretty well for a 5-10mph fall, just little paint chips on the front and the AUX thing |
| 01:38.37 | Dave | did it break or get jammed? |
| 01:38.41 | Dave | wow |
| 01:38.41 | SUNWjoejaxx | i wish they had a holster for the Neo |
| 01:38.45 | cjb | I think it might be jammed in |
| 01:38.45 | Dave | yeah |
| 01:38.52 | cjb | hard to tell whether it's jammed in or jammed out |
| 01:38.54 | Dave | thing's built linux tough, huh? :p |
| 01:39.09 | cjb | s/fall/skim across the tarmac |
| 01:40.19 | Dave | ah, whee |
| 01:40.25 | rooly|away | cjb, what app was that |
| 01:40.28 | rooly|away | tango? |
| 01:40.36 | rooly|away | on the asu stack? |
| 01:40.47 | Dave | oh, by the way, cjb, one minor issue, I didn't want to offset your good mood *heehee* |
| 01:40.54 | Dave | rooly, no, tangogps, for gtk |
| 01:41.00 | cjb | rooly|away: yup |
| 01:41.08 | Dave | ah |
| 01:41.14 | cjb | tango written in GTK, running on FSO |
| 01:41.18 | cjb | Dave: yup, what's up? |
| 01:41.23 | rooly|away | oh, ok |
| 01:41.44 | Dave | cjb, remember that good 'ol offset bug (xserver-kdrive-glamo)? ;) |
| 01:41.49 | cjb | yup |
| 01:41.49 | rooly|away | i'm using the 08.8/5 version of it, and it quite refuses to draw the map |
| 01:41.53 | rooly|away | or connect to the gps |
| 01:42.11 | cjb | I know some people are still having problems with scummvm.. I've never used that, it's not gonna be the same bug |
| 01:42.17 | Dave | yeah :P |
| 01:42.33 | Dave | I am having problems with scummvm, but noticed a distinct problem independent of it |
| 01:42.39 | cjb | it sounds like the scummvm thing is a visual bug rather than a touchscreen one, is that right? |
| 01:42.42 | cjb | or is it purely touchscreen? |
| 01:42.49 | cjb | oh, what's the independent one? |
| 01:42.52 | Dave | cjb, no it's touch screen |
| 01:42.57 | Dave | in scummvm |
| 01:43.08 | Dave | but it seems to be the application which is fucking up, it's hard to tell |
| 01:43.19 | cjb | yeah, something sounds weird |
| 01:43.25 | Dave | you can fix it by dragging the cursor to a side in scummvm and slowly dragging it back out |
| 01:43.30 | Dave | it's a pita |
| 01:43.33 | cjb | I guess I should try it out |
| 01:43.40 | cjb | does it use the same resolution etc? |
| 01:43.48 | Dave | also when the screen scrolls in scummvm it fucks up the alignment if the pointer is being held at the same time |
| 01:43.57 | Dave | cjb, more or less :P |
| 01:44.10 | Dave | it hax two bars, one at top and one at bottom, so I'd say not quite |
| 01:44.15 | Dave | has, rather |
| 01:44.40 | kd8ikt | scumvm eh? [;aying spacequest and leisure suit larry? |
| 01:44.46 | Dave | cjb, anyway, not to spoil our productive digression into scummvm, which I am very interested in (as I just launched a game in it) :) |
| 01:45.26 | Dave | cjb, I experienced the offset bug again (with the WORKING fix), temporarily, after switching to landscape view and letting the screensaver activate (lock screen) |
| 01:45.51 | Dave | after unlocking, it appears to be fucked up again, until you swap orientations again. |
| 01:46.28 | Dave | Also, it seems illogical for the screensaver to force the user's display into portrait, regardless, is there an easy way around this? |
| 01:46.54 | Dave | At the very least, if the user was in landscape, it could do the screensaver in portrait, then after unlocking swap it back to whatever they had? :) |
| 01:46.59 | Dave | or is that too hard to keep track of? ;) |
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| 01:47.59 | ieatlint | Dave: if you have an interest http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/projects/power.html (yeah, i'm not a web designer, hehe) |
| 01:48.06 | ieatlint | and i'm off to make dinner |
| 01:48.40 | Dave | :D |
| 01:48.42 | Dave | Thanks Linty. |
| 01:49.57 | Dave | Ieatlint, you know there is already a half-assed german developed app for gtk which does this? :P |
| 01:50.22 | Dave | anyway, if this is hot, I'll package it and give it a nice app icon :) |
| 01:51.14 | Dave | ponders whether cjb got absorbed by scummvm |
| 01:52.20 | Dave | ieatlint: You're such a good programmer! |
| 01:52.34 | ieatlint | i did not know |
| 01:52.42 | Dave | :P |
| 01:52.49 | Dave | wonders how good of a chef he is |
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| 01:53.35 | ieatlint | hah |
| 01:53.57 | ieatlint | steak, pasta, green beans and grilled corn on the cob... interested? :P |
| 01:54.25 | cjb | Dave: wow, weird |
| 01:54.30 | cjb | Dave: which distro are you running? |
| 01:54.41 | cjb | Dave: haven't seen that, but I also don't have a screensaver (past "blank screen") |
| 01:55.03 | Dave | cjb, I believe it's supposedly 2007.2? |
| 01:55.17 | cjb | gotcha. |
| 01:55.35 | Dave | I frequently use the "Dim only, don't lock." |
| 01:55.48 | Dave | Which really is dim then use the stupid screensaver lock screen :P |
| 01:56.01 | Dave | they should really rename that too, it's very misleading |
| 01:56.13 | Dave | since Dim first then lock, really is "Suspend" |
| 01:56.28 | Dave | Locking the phone is like "Hold" to me |
| 01:56.35 | Dave | fuck, if only it had a hold button :) |
| 01:56.45 | Dave | speaking of which, I may try to write that app if I have time. |
| 01:56.52 | Dave | Someone else seemed interested at my earlier thoughts on that. |
| 01:57.12 | Dave | Since the freerunner unnecessarily wastes power as it is. |
| 01:57.48 | Dave | cjb, but as for the screensaver, when you're out of it, I just rotate twice and it solves the problem (effectively "resetting" the orientation from fresh, I believe). |
| 01:58.00 | Dave | But still :) |
| 01:58.31 | Dave | cjb, if you're interested though, I'd be glad to hear your thoughts or observations of scummvm, if you get a chance to try it out. |
| 01:58.52 | Dave | I mean, heck, the primary reason I had been hounding people here about the orientation bug was such that I could finally launch and use it :P |
| 01:59.34 | Dave | the pointer problem makes it particularly unfriendly, but eventually the lack of keypresses or the ability to dropdown the keyboard momentarily to say, SAVE GAME provides a greater concern :p |
| 02:00.06 | SpeedEvil | cjb: it's also possible that it's popped the switch right off the board. |
| 02:00.14 | SpeedEvil | cjb: do you get any rattles if you shake it? |
| 02:00.19 | Dave | I was so excited when alphaone finally threw me a working version of your blamo patch, I played it for hours, then realizing I had no way to save it, sadly. |
| 02:00.32 | Dave | Speedevil, that's always a fun one. |
| 02:00.53 | SpeedEvil | Dave: specially if it takes the pads. |
| 02:01.01 | Dave | eek |
| 02:01.25 | Dave | oh but if you're interested maybe tomorrow or tuesday I'll try to take a picture of the mount we got fabricated for us for our cars |
| 02:01.36 | Dave | since we're doing a car related project with freerunners |
| 02:02.00 | Dave | they're pretty fucking sturdy and snugly cushioned dash mounts :) |
| 02:02.22 | Dave | beats duct taping a freerunner to your dashboard :P |
| 02:02.42 | SpeedEvil | There are eleventy-million clamp-phone holders out there. |
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| 02:02.53 | Dave | heh |
| 02:02.58 | Dave | :o |
| 02:03.07 | SpeedEvil | But not all will work well. |
| 02:03.20 | SpeedEvil | stabs USB connectors. |
| 02:03.21 | Dave | clearly not |
| 02:03.24 | Dave | haha |
| 02:03.25 | Dave | agreed :p |
| 02:03.37 | Dave | stab it good! |
| 02:03.40 | SpeedEvil | (as they can't dock reliably without stupidly accurate guides) |
| 02:03.54 | Dave | ah, yeah |
| 02:03.55 | Dave | :( |
| 02:04.12 | Dave | It's rather depressing. |
| 02:04.32 | SpeedEvil | I'm making a mag-power like thingy for my laptop. |
| 02:05.08 | SpeedEvil | Which carries power and USB, and is immune to shorts between wires to simplify mechanical design. |
| 02:06.00 | Dave | nyay! |
| 02:06.07 | Dave | a worthy cause |
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| 02:12.00 | Dave | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.27 | Dave | oh and hot shit, if you can read the german too, you're already ahead of me :P |
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| 02:18.59 | pjz | SpeedEvil: yhou should make a magpower-to-mini-usb adapter; I like mini-usb because it's standard - I don't have to worry about carrying a charging cable since most evereyone has a miniusb cable I can borrow current from |
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| 02:19.08 | chillywilly | anyone give 2008.8 a try? |
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| 02:21.39 | Ken-Young | chillywilly, Yup. |
| 02:22.04 | kd8ikt | bah this fricken 2GB microSD is pissing me off |
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| 02:24.07 | SirBob1701 | so no new builds or updates to 2008.8 yet? |
| 02:24.14 | chillywilly | Ken-Young: how is it? |
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| 02:25.19 | RayDar | I am trying to flash the 2008.08 to my GTA02 and I am getting dfu_download error -62 |
| 02:25.22 | Ken-Young | chillywilly, Well, there's good and bad. If you try it, be aware that the system seems VERY sluggish after the first boot. Be sure to reboot after it first comes up. |
| 02:25.23 | RayDar | any ideas? |
| 02:25.55 | Ken-Young | chillywilly, The dialer works well, and suspend/resume works pretty well - I haven't missed any calls with it. |
| 02:26.07 | chillywilly | nice, how is the SMS app? |
| 02:26.16 | chillywilly | because the qtopia one works very nicely... |
| 02:26.20 | Ken-Young | chillywilly, In terms of phone functionality, it's probably the best distribution do far. |
| 02:26.36 | RayDar | I am trying to flash the 2008.8 to my GTA02 and I am getting dfu_download error -62 |
| 02:26.44 | chillywilly | are they using the qtopia SMS app? |
| 02:27.07 | chillywilly | It was actually the only app that seemed to be usable for me with all the nagios pages I get... |
| 02:27.07 | SUNWjoejaxx | RayDar: no need to post twice, people saw your question :) |
| 02:27.09 | Ken-Young | chillywilly, I have not tried SMS, but ANYTHING having to do with the keyboard is frustrating, because the keyboard is quite annoying. |
| 02:27.26 | chillywilly | they didn't "borrow" the qtopia predictive keyboard? |
| 02:27.31 | chillywilly | that thing is nice |
| 02:28.03 | chillywilly | I need FFF (fat finger functionality) ;) |
| 02:28.20 | Ken-Young | chillywilly, I find the predictive keyboard to be absolutely the worst feature. |
| 02:28.34 | chillywilly | is this the one from qtopia? |
| 02:28.43 | kd8ikt | speaking of keyboards FSO is great but i wish i could remive the "zoom" feature, just having the key popup above my finger press works fine |
| 02:28.55 | RayDar | DOH |
| 02:28.57 | RayDar | I have a GTA01 |
| 02:29.00 | kd8ikt | cause i'm ussually only off by a key |
| 02:29.07 | Ken-Young | chillywilly, I think so. I'm biased towards styluses, so you may disagree. |
| 02:29.12 | RayDar | Is the 2008.8 release available for GTA01? |
| 02:29.12 | chillywilly | I like the one in qtopia a lot...it also has handwritign recognition |
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| 02:29.18 | chillywilly | handwriting |
| 02:29.35 | Ken-Young | RayDar, I don't think so. |
| 02:29.51 | chillywilly | I think I'll try 2008.8 and see how it goes :) |
| 02:30.07 | Ken-Young | chillywilly, It's worth trying out. |
| 02:30.33 | Ken-Young | chillywilly, *especially* if you like the qtopia keyboard. |
| 02:30.51 | chillywilly | I'v been running qtopia proper for a while so I am used to it |
| 02:31.15 | RayDar | Uber lame |
| 02:31.26 | Ken-Young | chillywilly, You'll probably be a happy guy with 2008.8, then. |
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| 02:31.54 | kduboi1 | is there any image out there that can do sms? |
| 02:32.04 | Ken-Young | RayDar, There are people discussing how to get it on GTA01 - it needs to be shrunk a bit. |
| 02:32.26 | Ken-Young | kduboi1, I have done SMS with 2007.2 . |
| 02:32.55 | RayDar | Ken-Young: Thanks for the info. |
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| 02:34.55 | Ken-Young | RayDar, Sorry I don't know much. |
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| 02:38.17 | Staticwave_Ace | http://lifehacker.com/400148/iphone-20-jailbreak-apps-you-cant-find-in-the-itunes-store |
| 02:38.23 | Staticwave_Ace | whoops |
| 02:38.30 | Staticwave_Ace | wrong place |
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| 02:46.24 | SpeedEvil | staticwave_ace: at the moment! |
| 02:46.32 | SpeedEvil | wants OM-iphone |
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| 02:48.02 | linuxxr | if u buy these they will build more |
| 02:49.47 | brian|lfs | hello |
| 02:50.12 | linuxxr | are these freerunner motherboards single or multi layer boards/?? |
| 02:50.18 | brian|lfs | why can't I boot off my micro sd card |
| 02:50.28 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: haha |
| 02:50.32 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: Sorry |
| 02:50.44 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: All mobile phones are over 4 layer boards |
| 02:50.44 | linuxxr | i cant even get my card to partition correctly |
| 02:50.46 | brian|lfs | there is a defualt boot entry that should work but ti doesn't work and I tired adding a new entyr and everyttime I save it saves then ereases the entrty |
| 02:51.12 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: maybe even over 6 in some cases for dense phones. |
| 02:51.15 | linuxxr | i wanna use cfdisk cause im a noob |
| 02:51.19 | brian|lfs | I don't get why it can't save I'm a bi tconfused |
| 02:52.32 | brian|lfs | could I just install grub lol |
| 02:53.00 | linuxxr | wats your nand version? |
| 02:55.11 | linuxxr | speedevil i remember a remark about using less of the card for the 2 partitions to solve this is this correct? |
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| 02:56.22 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: sorry - no idea. |
| 02:56.33 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: not tried booting of SD |
| 02:56.40 | linuxxr | ok |
| 02:57.52 | linuxxr | i have to new uboot very new kernel and i think 2008.8 might go on the sd |
| 02:58.25 | linuxxr | im getting 3 2gig cards |
| 02:58.36 | linuxxr | an another battery |
| 02:59.06 | chillywilly | which boot menu are you supposed to flash from? |
| 02:59.11 | chillywilly | NAND or NOR? |
| 03:00.11 | chillywilly | I thought I remembered NOR the last time I flashed but the wiki seems to say NAND now |
| 03:01.26 | chillywilly | hmm, but the instructions are for booting into NOR |
| 03:01.30 | chillywilly | heh |
| 03:01.31 | chillywilly | oops |
| 03:01.31 | kd8ikt | linuxxr: whynot just get a 8 or 32 GB card? |
| 03:01.32 | chillywilly | ;P |
| 03:01.57 | kgoetz | does it support 32's? |
| 03:01.57 | kd8ikt | chillywilly: it doesnt matter |
| 03:02.09 | SpeedEvil | There are no 32s |
| 03:02.12 | linuxxr | so i can put on seperate cards |
| 03:02.21 | kd8ikt | both uboots get loaded into memory |
| 03:02.22 | chillywilly | yea well the instructions are for the NOR boot menu but they say "NAND" on the page |
| 03:02.27 | linuxxr | 1/3 of my batteries failed |
| 03:02.40 | linuxxr | chox |
| 03:02.51 | chillywilly | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util <-- talking about that page |
| 03:02.57 | kd8ikt | so just because some douchebag put it on the wiki doesnt mean its scripture |
| 03:03.22 | linuxxr | so if i mess up the mbr i wont cause much damage |
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| 03:03.50 | chillywilly | kd8ikt: I am just stating that it is incorrect...can anyone edit the pages? |
| 03:04.13 | chillywilly | looks like I need an account (duh) |
| 03:04.14 | kd8ikt | "IT DOESNT MATTER" just get into "A" u-boot and flash |
| 03:04.30 | linuxxr | the nand version is what changes |
| 03:04.31 | pjz | chillywilly: yeah, once you get an account you can edit |
| 03:04.40 | ieatlint | kd8ikt: it could matter |
| 03:04.43 | kd8ikt | hopes he doesnt edit the wiki |
| 03:04.43 | ieatlint | boot from NOR |
| 03:04.58 | linuxxr | arrrrrrhhhh |
| 03:05.21 | ieatlint | blah, i think i ate too much |
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| 03:05.28 | linuxxr | i did once an it got removed right now |
| 03:05.33 | Infoport | hi all! |
| 03:05.42 | linuxxr | but i was still correct |
| 03:05.42 | chillywilly | fine, I won't touch it then |
| 03:05.43 | Infoport | ieatlint: lint is really that filling? |
| 03:06.22 | kd8ikt | it doesnt matter i swear nomatter where the uboot is loaded (NAND/NOR) its loaded into ram and either has no problem writing to NAND |
| 03:06.33 | linuxxr | i updated uboot to a date of aug 6 i believe |
| 03:07.12 | ieatlint | kd8ikt: correct that it always goes to nand... and nand loads into the ram before being executed, so in theory nothing bad can happen |
| 03:07.35 | ieatlint | however, you will get screen anomalies, and there is the potential for failure |
| 03:07.44 | ieatlint | it's one of those best to do in nor type deals |
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| 03:08.01 | linuxxr | i did |
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| 03:08.26 | RayDar | Is there a higher capacity battery available for the GTA01? |
| 03:08.38 | chillywilly | I was merely stating that the instructions were telling you one thing and you are actually booting into another |
| 03:08.54 | linuxxr | i flashed 3 times before i figured how to get into nand to check the version |
| 03:08.58 | chillywilly | but if no ones gives a crap then I suppose I won't either |
| 03:09.00 | RayDar | lusts for 2008.8 on his GTA01 |
| 03:09.59 | kd8ikt | raydar it realy isnt all that great, most people complain its not "stable" and nothing works |
| 03:10.01 | ieatlint | RayDar: the gta1 and 2 both use 1200mah batteries |
| 03:10.53 | linuxxr | my phone would'nt work |
| 03:11.01 | RayDar | kd8ikt: Heh. It's got to be better than the stuff I have tried so far. |
| 03:11.08 | linuxxr | might be the audio driver |
| 03:11.13 | chillywilly | there's always qtopia ;) |
| 03:11.25 | brian|lfs | anyone here know how to get my brick to boot from a sd card |
| 03:11.56 | RayDar | chillywilly: Yeah, I have tried the latest QTopia images. They are nice. |
| 03:12.04 | linuxxr | hold aux button then power an select boot to sd card |
| 03:12.27 | brian|lfs | doesn't boot when I do that jsut goes back to the boot menu |
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| 03:12.57 | linuxxr | then select "boot to sdcard" |
| 03:13.14 | linuxxr | well sdcard is setup wrong |
| 03:13.23 | brian|lfs | I tired them all |
| 03:13.35 | chillywilly | bah, I keep sneezing |
| 03:13.38 | Staticwave_Ace | hey all, has anyone looked into building gentoo for the freerunner? |
| 03:14.29 | linuxxr | when is another mfg. going to pick up on this is what i wanna know |
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| 03:15.23 | ieatlint | Staticwave_Ace: no one has specifically to me knowledge, but you go right ahead and let us know how it goes :P |
| 03:15.43 | Staticwave_Ace | ieatlint: looking into it, heh |
| 03:16.01 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: gonna be a while |
| 03:16.26 | Pyrasi | hmm.....are the repos that we need to point to for updates on 2008.8 on buildhost.openmoko.org instead of download.openmoko.org? |
| 03:16.27 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: once the first million phones ship with a working stack is my optimistic guess. |
| 03:16.44 | SpeedEvil | (majors that is) |
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| 03:18.19 | brian|lfs | thanks linuxxr had to fix my fstab |
| 03:18.51 | brian|lfs | the wiki didn't adjust the fstab jsut had a defualt one and didn't mention to point the rootfs to the right place |
| 03:19.43 | Pyrasi | what repos should i be pointing to to get updates on 2008.8? The default ones at download.openmoko.org dont seem to be getting the daily updates |
| 03:20.03 | linuxxr | can u pastebin your fstab for us |
| 03:20.48 | ieatlint | i'll fstab you |
| 03:21.20 | brian|lfs | lol |
| 03:21.45 | linuxxr | ill cfdisk u |
| 03:21.52 | brian|lfs | is there a way to set that menu entry as default now that I know it works linuxxr |
| 03:22.11 | linuxxr | brian im a linux noob |
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| 03:22.31 | ieatlint | want to touch my mtab? |
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| 03:22.48 | linuxxr | NO |
| 03:23.00 | ieatlint | it might be fun... |
| 03:23.05 | ieatlint | apt wants to |
| 03:23.17 | ieatlint | apt: touch my mtab |
| 03:23.17 | apt | This is Fendor's pleasure only |
| 03:23.24 | ieatlint | :( |
| 03:23.27 | ieatlint | you all suck |
| 03:23.31 | linuxxr | lololol |
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| 03:25.06 | linuxxr | brian |
| 03:25.22 | linuxxr | can u paste.bin |
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| 03:26.24 | linuxxr | u have a freerunner? |
| 03:27.10 | shaz | hi |
| 03:27.16 | linuxxr | lint who the hell is fendor?? |
| 03:27.24 | brian|lfs | ya I have a freerunner |
| 03:27.25 | ieatlint | apt: who is fendor? |
| 03:27.27 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, ieatlint |
| 03:27.34 | brian|lfs | what would I be pasebing |
| 03:27.44 | ieatlint | apt: touch fendor |
| 03:27.45 | apt | This is Fendor's pleasure only |
| 03:27.45 | linuxxr | your fstab |
| 03:27.49 | ieatlint | exactly |
| 03:27.52 | linuxxr | can i see |
| 03:28.42 | shaz | got a problem with makefile's target openmoko-devel-image |
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| 03:29.41 | shaz | can anyone help me troubleshoot it |
| 03:30.27 | linuxxr | its proly small enough to post here:) |
| 03:30.42 | shaz | cant get to understand the issue behind failure of glibc2.6.x.bb fail |
| 03:30.47 | shaz | http://pastebin.com/d5057874e |
| 03:30.50 | shaz | :) |
| 03:32.03 | linuxxr | the file may be corrupt can u check it? |
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| 03:32.25 | linuxxr | md5sum thing |
| 03:33.21 | linuxxr | how do i copy music to the freerunner im ssh in now |
| 03:33.45 | linuxxr | scp? |
| 03:34.08 | ieatlint | scp would be the simplest |
| 03:34.27 | linuxxr | can u show me how im stupid i guess |
| 03:34.52 | ieatlint | scp source destination |
| 03:35.03 | linuxxr | ok |
| 03:35.19 | ieatlint | the src/dest can be a local file, or a remote file ... remote files are user@host:/path/to/file |
| 03:35.32 | ieatlint | user is implied to be your current if not specified |
| 03:35.58 | Pyrasi | what repos are people using to get updates on 2008.8? |
| 03:36.03 | ieatlint | also note that both the src and dest can be remote and not local :P |
| 03:36.05 | doc|home | how do you get the face of the phone off without destroying it? |
| 03:36.16 | linuxxr | are there updates already? |
| 03:36.19 | Pyrasi | because im not getting the kernel updates and such with the default repos |
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| 03:36.43 | linuxxr | 2 screws artnt there |
| 03:36.53 | Pyrasi | there are the daily builds they release...i assume you can get those somehow... |
| 03:36.59 | ieatlint | doc|home: there are instructions on the wiki... you need a torx t6 screwdriver and something to pry it (suggested would be a guitar pic, as the debug board includes) |
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| 03:37.22 | ieatlint | for purposes of disassembling the device, the 1973 instructions are identical |
| 03:37.22 | linuxxr | a fingernail works |
| 03:37.32 | doc|home | arse, I don't have a screwdriver |
| 03:37.36 | doc|home | have it off 80% |
| 03:37.42 | shaz | LINUXXR: how do I do the checking and correcting |
| 03:37.53 | ieatlint | yeah, those two screws are kinda important to remove :P |
| 03:38.09 | ieatlint | why do you want it off, anyway? |
| 03:38.23 | shaz | A month or two ago I was doing this and got the same problem and then had to give it up due to another project |
| 03:38.36 | doc|home | ieatlint: to apply an oversized screen protector |
| 03:38.49 | ieatlint | ah, good reason |
| 03:38.53 | ieatlint | yeah, you need the screwdriver |
| 03:38.59 | Ken-Young | If the Freerunner goes into suspend mode under 2008.8, whileit is connected to the USB, does it continue charing while suspended? |
| 03:39.05 | doc|home | grrr |
| 03:40.03 | shaz | :( |
| 03:40.21 | ieatlint | sorry shaz... i've no real idea |
| 03:40.33 | Staticwave_Ace | what arm does the freerunner have? arm4 or arm41? |
| 03:40.47 | ieatlint | could be a localisation issue? but the log you posted basically has no real error message |
| 03:40.47 | doc|home | bad design choice to use torx :( |
| 03:40.57 | ieatlint | Staticwave_Ace: arm9 |
| 03:41.00 | doc|home | could they have found a more obscure screw head? |
| 03:41.07 | ieatlint | and it's arm v4 |
| 03:41.22 | shaz | ieatlint: no problem am just expecting from those who are aware :) |
| 03:41.28 | ieatlint | doc|home: it's actually pretty standard for this type of thing |
| 03:41.46 | linuxxr | atleast its not a tamperproof t-6 |
| 03:41.53 | mmontour | yeah, everyone knows Robertson screws are the best |
| 03:41.55 | ieatlint | shaz: see if you can get a more detailed error message... perhaps there's a verbosity setting or the like |
| 03:42.05 | adsllc | doc|home: Ever stripped out a phillips screw? Of course you have. Ever stripped out a torx? Probably not. |
| 03:42.22 | doc|home | adsllc: no, because nothing fucking uses torx :) |
| 03:42.26 | shaz | k |
| 03:42.40 | doc|home | (ok, not true but still, they're rare enough that I can't even try!) |
| 03:42.44 | linuxxr | lots of cell phones use t-6 |
| 03:42.54 | ieatlint | yep, i think all my nokias use t-6 |
| 03:42.58 | kgoetz | torx rock |
| 03:43.01 | doc|home | my housemate has a torx head set with two heads, neither of which fit |
| 03:43.07 | adsllc | I guess I'm just biased since I have a nice little torx kit handy. |
| 03:43.16 | linuxxr | 0 down pressure required |
| 03:43.18 | doc|home | sorry, 3 |
| 03:43.30 | doc|home | adsllc: can I borrow it? :) |
| 03:43.39 | ieatlint | where do you live doc? |
| 03:43.43 | doc|home | canada :) |
| 03:43.55 | ieatlint | that's not too specific :P |
| 03:44.03 | adsllc | Sure - just swing on by Northwest Ohio... |
| 03:44.11 | kgoetz | how hard is it? go to a shop, spend $20 on a torx head screwdriver, be happy ever after. |
| 03:44.16 | doc|home | specific enough to know I'm far away from whereever adsllc's isp is :) I'm in vancouver |
| 03:44.24 | doc|home | kgoetz: $20 on something I'll use once? |
| 03:44.24 | dingman | At work, Torx is great 'cause they don't strip out and everyone has a set on the workbench. At home, only some tool-obsessed geeks have good sets. |
| 03:44.39 | ieatlint | doc|home: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Openmoko_Local_Groups |
| 03:44.40 | kgoetz | doc|home: you dont know that |
| 03:45.08 | kgoetz | has used his torx' for doing laptops, and now the freerunner. |
| 03:45.10 | adsllc | I pride myself on always using the wrong tool for the job - but I still have a torx set. |
| 03:45.19 | mmontour | doc|home: what part of the city? I'm near 12th and Granville and I have an official Openmoko torx + guitar pick combo |
| 03:45.23 | linuxxr | u going to use it again especially if u bought cheap screen protectors |
| 03:45.28 | mmontour | Rental rates start at $10/hour :) |
| 03:45.33 | ieatlint | doc|home: every person with a debug board has that screwdriver, and odds are would be happy to let you borrow it in a coffee shop or the like for the 2min affair of applying the screen cover |
| 03:45.37 | niklauz | adsllc: anyone tool is probably wrong for most jobs |
| 03:45.55 | kgoetz | ieatlint: only from teh first order - the Freerunners debug borads didnt ship with them |
| 03:45.56 | doc|home | mmontour: oh, cool, broadway and granville is on my route home every day |
| 03:46.21 | ieatlint | kgoetz: uh, well, my freerunner debug board came with one |
| 03:46.26 | adsllc | You could just use Diversity to SMS each other your location. |
| 03:46.31 | doc|home | mmontour: heh, you charge by the second, right? :) |
| 03:46.37 | kgoetz | ieatlint: mine didnt :/ |
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| 03:46.55 | linuxxr | just stop at a tool seller an spend 4 bucks |
| 03:46.59 | kgoetz | ieatlint: did you get a 1973 or a frerunner? |
| 03:47.11 | linuxxr | they are everywhere |
| 03:47.13 | ieatlint | freerunner |
| 03:47.22 | kgoetz | hm |
| 03:47.27 | doc|home | linuxxr: don't have much choice |
| 03:47.33 | ieatlint | interesting, the contents listed on the official store indeed does not include a t6 |
| 03:47.34 | kgoetz | i'd have a cry, but since i already hae a torx set i wont bother |
| 03:48.39 | chillywilly | well 2008.8 is a lot more responsive than standard qtopia |
| 03:48.54 | adsllc | A suitable torx kit is $6 from Lowes: http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=239384-16878-60272&lpage=none |
| 03:48.57 | chillywilly | I might be able to use this for a while ;P |
| 03:49.18 | mmontour | doc|home: send me an email to mail at mmontour.net - I can meet you somewhere tomorrow afternoon |
| 03:49.27 | linuxxr | till u wanna make a call |
| 03:50.11 | mmontour | I'm interested to see a FR in person - mine hasn't arrived yet (ordered from koolu last week) |
| 03:50.58 | chillywilly | linuxxr: calling my wife's phone and I hear it |
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| 03:51.10 | shaz | did make with debug and here's the error messages: http://pastebin.com/d385ba16f |
| 03:51.11 | doc|home | mmontour: sounds like it ... was going to say I might be better off getting one of my own but if you want to see it, then that's good. I have qtopia on mine, looks and works well-ish. |
| 03:51.22 | doc|home | not perfect but still not bad |
| 03:51.57 | shaz | is there any #openmoko-newbie channel |
| 03:52.01 | linuxxr | answer it an see if u can hear anything |
| 03:52.29 | adsllc | shaz: As far as I can tell - you're in it! :) |
| 03:52.40 | Ken-Young | shaz, I think this channel is the closest thing to it. |
| 03:52.41 | doc|home | I bought an logiix shield screen protector for the ipod touch (yes, yes, I know :) ) but it comes with two screen protectors. Anyone know why? |
| 03:52.43 | linuxxr | im a noob |
| 03:52.53 | ieatlint | i think there's #openmok-support or something |
| 03:53.05 | linuxxr | a spare? |
| 03:53.05 | ieatlint | heh, guess not |
| 03:53.33 | doc|home | linuxxr: yeah, but I've had an invisible shield one on my n800 and it hasn't gotten even a mark on it to date |
| 03:53.36 | doc|home | seems a bit odd |
| 03:54.31 | linuxxr | i bouhgt the writeright kit from walmart an theres enough stuff there to do the freerunner 10 times an comes with grid backing for easy cutting |
| 03:54.43 | linuxxr | ok |
| 03:55.02 | linuxxr | these are very durable also |
| 03:55.05 | ieatlint | doc|home: the invisibleshield does seem durable, but it seems to attract a lot more smudges and such |
| 03:55.39 | linuxxr | i put this on and it looks like the glass |
| 03:55.55 | linuxxr | its harder than the oem 1 |
| 03:59.49 | ieatlint | beer good |
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| 04:00.46 | ieatlint | some jehova's witnesses came by today |
| 04:01.00 | doc|home | ieatlint: hmmm, haven't had that on my n800, although it does get dirty, it's easily cleaned |
| 04:01.04 | Ken-Young | ieatlint, Sell 'em any Freerunners? |
| 04:01.04 | ieatlint | when you know it's them knocking, make sure you have alcohol in your hand, and offer them some |
| 04:01.55 | Staticwave_Ace | just tell them you've been excommunicated from the church |
| 04:01.57 | Staticwave_Ace | they'll run |
| 04:01.59 | peepsalot | why does flashing over usb seem so slow? |
| 04:02.06 | Staticwave_Ace | peepsalot: USB1.1 |
| 04:02.09 | ieatlint | "if god created everything, and put so many evil temptations in the world, then isn't god just some sadist trying to constantly tempt you so you can burn in hell? and what kind of god is that, certainly not a nice one.." |
| 04:03.08 | peepsalot | Staticwave_Ace, still, it is theoretically capable of 1.5MB/s |
| 04:03.23 | Ken-Young | ieatlint, Think of prayers as bug reports. |
| 04:03.36 | peepsalot | i think the bottleneck is the internal flash write speed |
| 04:03.39 | shaz | adsllc and ken-young: its still too complicated for me ;) |
| 04:03.48 | ieatlint | peepsalot: could also be the system bus |
| 04:04.02 | ieatlint | methinks the data goes over usb to the cpu and then to the flash |
| 04:04.11 | Ken-Young | shaz, DO you have any questions you need answers to? |
| 04:04.14 | Staticwave_Ace | yeah CPU can't handle that |
| 04:04.15 | ieatlint | and since it's sharing bandwidth... could be cut |
| 04:04.17 | shaz | I'll check out #openmoko-support, seems to be relevant for me |
| 04:04.25 | chillywilly | I have no problems making and receiving calls with 2008.8 |
| 04:04.47 | shaz | cant figurte out what to do in this http://pastebin.com/d385ba16f situation |
| 04:04.50 | chillywilly | in fact it's like the best of both worlds and the qtopia apps are more responsive than qtopia proper |
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| 04:05.06 | undrwate1 | what's the package that watches battery vs AC status? |
| 04:05.45 | Ken-Young | shaz, Wo Nelly - What were you trying to do there? |
| 04:05.52 | shaz | I've been trying mokomakefile for more then 5 or 6 times and never got it to work at the expense of costly bandwidth :) |
| 04:06.05 | shaz | its make -d :) |
| 04:06.26 | shaz | actually glibc2.6.something.bb is not working |
| 04:06.29 | Ken-Young | shaz, You might actually want to try the openmoko-cdevel channel. |
| 04:06.43 | ieatlint | or the openmoko mailing list... |
| 04:06.52 | ieatlint | there's a support mailing list that could be good |
| 04:06.57 | shaz | k, thanx |
| 04:07.02 | Ken-Young | shaz, Have you tried mokomakefile? |
| 04:07.07 | adsllc | I've had intermittent success at best with MokoMakefile. I've had my best luck developing on the device itself. |
| 04:07.10 | shaz | any other pointers |
| 04:07.13 | peepsalot | ieatlint, you think it's possible to improve the speed in any way? |
| 04:07.32 | ieatlint | peepsalot: i wouldn't know... but i would say it's likely not their top priority |
| 04:07.38 | shaz | ya I did mokomakefile |
| 04:07.44 | ieatlint | you can always use a sd card... |
| 04:08.12 | Ken-Young | shaz, mokomakefile is the only way I've ever managed to get the cross-development tools going. I've only run it from scratch 3 times, but it has worked on my ubuntu machine each time i tried it. |
| 04:08.13 | peepsalot | yeah, not a huge deal, just a minor annoyance. it just feels like it *shouldn't* be that slow |
| 04:08.27 | ieatlint | yeah, it is annoying, no doubt |
| 04:08.47 | chillywilly | I am liking 2008.8 |
| 04:08.48 | ieatlint | still, out of all the annoying things... that's definitely not #1 |
| 04:08.51 | peepsalot | flashing om2008.8 right now |
| 04:08.53 | KrisAbsinthe-kd8 | ieatlint: is your FR working well |
| 04:09.08 | ieatlint | KrisAbsinthe-kd8: yep |
| 04:09.12 | adsllc | Is anybody using the GPS in 2008.8? |
| 04:09.12 | shaz | I am using fedora8 but tried ubuntu too but the same problem, lots of problems which I could'nt troubleshoot. |
| 04:09.13 | chillywilly | takes a little longer to boot |
| 04:09.16 | chillywilly | than I am used to |
| 04:09.17 | undrwate1 | is missing some kind of "home screen" where phone is king |
| 04:09.33 | Ken-Young | adsllc, I am using GPS under 2008.8. |
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| 04:09.42 | chillywilly | well maybe not |
| 04:09.43 | Pyrasi | so all of a sudden i cant hear anything when i get a phone call on 2008.8....anyone seen this? |
| 04:09.48 | chillywilly | just that inital boot was the longest |
| 04:09.52 | peepsalot | anyone done speed tests of booting from sd vs internal flash? |
| 04:10.03 | adsllc | Any secrets? Mine worked great in 2007.2 but 'tail -f /dev/ttySAC1' doesn't even do anything in 2008.8. |
| 04:10.08 | shaz | Anyways KEN-Young, I am going for the openmoko-cdevel and openmoko-support to see what can be done |
| 04:10.14 | shaz | thanx guys |
| 04:10.24 | Ken-Young | shaz, Good luck! |
| 04:10.27 | adsllc | C - ya (pun intended) |
| 04:10.35 | Ken-Young | adsllc, Are you sure the GPS is on? |
| 04:10.54 | adsllc | I went into 'Settings' and toggled it on, if that's what you mean. |
| 04:11.01 | Ken-Young | adsllc, Ans have you checked that gpsd is running? |
| 04:11.13 | shaz | :) |
| 04:11.37 | ieatlint | adsllc: cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron |
| 04:11.38 | adsllc | Peeking at ttySAC1 shouldn't depend on gpsd. |
| 04:11.43 | ieatlint | if it says 1, it is on |
| 04:11.46 | ieatlint | if it says 0, it's off |
| 04:11.46 | Ken-Young | adsllc, Remeber that the /etc/defaults/gpsd file must be edited to point to the right port. |
| 04:11.49 | KrisAbsinthe-kd8 | ieatlint: thinking of getting one, but dont really want to deal with too many problems. I will fix stuff but want it to stay fixed lol |
| 04:12.16 | adsllc | I tried checking that sys file before, but I'll try again. |
| 04:12.58 | Ken-Young | adsllc, The default maps application under 2008.8 also can turn on the GPS. You could try using it to turn GPS on, in case the settings methos is defective. |
| 04:13.18 | *** join/#openmoko fragged (n=fragged@202.61.229.35.dynamic.rev.eftel.com) |
| 04:14.19 | ieatlint | KrisAbsinthe-kd8: you don't want the FR yet |
| 04:14.43 | ieatlint | the phone software is kinda hacked together, and isn't problem free |
| 04:14.49 | ieatlint | quirks are prominent |
| 04:15.00 | *** join/#openmoko dingman (n=dingman@65.119.155.2) |
| 04:15.15 | ieatlint | it's getting better.. quite quickly, in fact... but it's not an everyday phone really... |
| 04:15.47 | adsllc | 'cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron' gives 1 but 'tail -f /dev/ttySAC1' gives nothing. |
| 04:16.44 | KrisAbsinthe-kd8 | ieatlint: probably not, like i said i dont mind writing some scripts and whatever, but need gprs for work, is that working ok? |
| 04:17.06 | dingman | Anyone know if it's safe to swap batteries while the Freerunner is plugged in to a USB port? |
| 04:17.07 | Ken-Young | adsllc, For what it's worth, I've always used the "Locations" app under 2008.8 to turn the GPS on, and it has worked reliably. |
| 04:17.13 | adsllc | KrisAbsinthe-kd8: I agree with ieatlint - it's a neat toy but not much else it. If you "need" anything for work, forget it. |
| 04:17.19 | dingman | has three batteries and no charger :-/ |
| 04:17.34 | undrwate1 | does anyone know where the script to copy vcf from evolution is? |
| 04:17.36 | mmontour | dingman: it won't damage anything, but the phone may shut itself off when you do it. |
| 04:17.50 | dingman | mmontour, thanks. |
| 04:17.51 | undrwate1 | the one besides the wiki one |
| 04:18.18 | mmontour | Try turning off GSM and disabling charging (echo 0 > /sys/something/chgmode) before swapping. Might help, but I don't have a FR to test it |
| 04:18.21 | KrisAbsinthe-kd8 | adsllc: thanks, I had a ton of problems with my Neo |
| 04:18.33 | undrwate1 | if the phone is running, it'll stay that way if you've got usb plugged int |
| 04:18.34 | dingman | is there some cheap charger out there, maybe meant for one of the similar Nokia batteries, that can charge these independednt of the phone? |
| 04:18.35 | undrwate1 | *in |
| 04:18.40 | chillywilly | it's funny how the qtopia apps work better on the openmoko stack than they do on actual qtopia proper |
| 04:19.41 | undrwate1 | is it possible to get zhone running on 2008;8 like it does on fso? |
| 04:19.51 | rwhitby | undrwate1: if GSM is transmitting, it may draw too much instantaneous current for just a USB power connection to support |
| 04:19.56 | peepsalot | what is default 2008.8 password? |
| 04:19.58 | linuxxr | i like fso to |
| 04:20.09 | linuxxr | 1234 |
| 04:20.13 | undrwate1 | rwhitby: didn't see that that was happening |
| 04:20.24 | *** join/#openmoko spydon (n=spydon@90-227-33-55-no42.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 04:20.30 | peepsalot | oh, nm i forgot to specify root as user |
| 04:20.30 | rwhitby | undrwate1: it will depend on distance to base station |
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| 04:20.37 | undrwate1 | linuxxr: yes...good screen lock idea |
| 04:20.46 | Ken-Young | peepsalot, the default password is nothing <return>. |
| 04:21.09 | peepsalot | Ken-Young, i figured it out, thanks. i was logging in as wrong user |
| 04:21.34 | rwhitby | undrwate1: it's been well documented by OM engineers, hence the updated status that you need to have a battery in to guarantee operation |
| 04:21.54 | undrwate1 | rwhitby: oh yeah? draws more power the farther away from base station? |
| 04:22.01 | rwhitby | yep |
| 04:22.12 | undrwate1 | wow...learned something new |
| 04:22.26 | rwhitby | and GSM location updates happen without you doing anything every 20 minutes to 1 hour |
| 04:22.30 | peepsalot | is the hardware capable of reporting power consumption information |
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| 04:22.35 | rwhitby | (which require a short transmission) |
| 04:23.06 | adsllc | Ken-Young: Figured the GPS out - turns out that 'tail -f' doesn't work for whatever reason. 'cat /dev/ttySAC1' works fine. |
| 04:23.45 | Ken-Young | adsllc, Thanks for closing that loop - I didn't know that either. |
| 04:23.48 | chillywilly | anyone know how to copy contacts over from qtopia proper to 2008.8? |
| 04:23.53 | linuxxr | so if u have all these gps devices showing up on your device it will eat more power ??? |
| 04:23.59 | chillywilly | are the same database files used? |
| 04:24.20 | adsllc | peepsalot: try cat /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/uevent |
| 04:24.50 | linuxxr | all my contacts were found |
| 04:25.21 | chillywilly | and you scp'd a backup of /home/root? |
| 04:25.27 | chillywilly | back onto the phone? |
| 04:25.38 | linuxxr | u have sdcard for 2008.8? |
| 04:25.44 | chillywilly | yes |
| 04:25.53 | dingman | I just flashed on the 2008-08-11 -qtopia-x11 daily, and my phone is going to sleep but refusing to wake up for anything less than unplugging it and removing the battery. Is this normal? |
| 04:25.55 | chillywilly | I don't get the battery meter |
| 04:26.02 | chillywilly | it's weird |
| 04:26.30 | chillywilly | oh, maybe that's the signal meter that I am looking at? |
| 04:26.52 | chillywilly | I still see a lightning bolt all the way on the top right |
| 04:26.58 | undrwate1 | chillywilly: i haven't seen the battery meter |
| 04:27.00 | chillywilly | which I would think would indicate "AC" |
| 04:27.02 | undrwate1 | yep...same here |
| 04:27.06 | brian|lfs | anyone got any ideas the touch screen seems really messed up in debian when you press it pshs differen't palces |
| 04:27.11 | chillywilly | oh well that sorta stinks |
| 04:27.13 | brian|lfs | so you can't login or anything |
| 04:27.15 | chillywilly | :P |
| 04:27.19 | adsllc | chillywilly - I'm pretty sure those gfx are mostly useless at this point. |
| 04:27.42 | chillywilly | doh...well why does the one meter fluctuate then? |
| 04:28.01 | adsllc | To keep you guessing? |
| 04:28.01 | linuxxr | charging? |
| 04:28.01 | chillywilly | it's a fake meter ;P? |
| 04:28.10 | chillywilly | I have it on battery atm |
| 04:28.26 | adsllc | I'm not saying they really are useless, just that I haven't seen anything useful myself. |
| 04:29.25 | undrwate1 | that doesn't make sense |
| 04:29.34 | undrwate1 | that's got to be a high priority |
| 04:29.55 | undrwate1 | we need to know when the battery is going to die ( as mine did today without notice) |
| 04:30.07 | peepsalot | why is there a map app in the default image, but no gpsd |
| 04:30.25 | peepsalot | i mean in 2008.8 image |
| 04:30.41 | linuxxr | yea like a cool rocked out ring warning like the fso ringer |
| 04:31.10 | ieatlint | undrwate1: if you know c, you can create something in very little time that will sit in the background as a daemon and flash the leds or play a sound when the battery reaches a certain point |
| 04:31.56 | undrwate1 | ieatlint: i'll look into that |
| 04:32.11 | undrwate1 | is the monitor detailed on the wiki? |
| 04:32.32 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs is what you would need to know to write the app |
| 04:32.34 | chillywilly | fix the monitor ;P |
| 04:32.44 | chillywilly | I should look at it |
| 04:32.45 | ieatlint | tells you how to get the battery status, and control the leds |
| 04:32.47 | undrwate1 | ieatlint: thanks... |
| 04:33.43 | dingman | lovely page on how to use the installer. What package to I install with opkg to *get* the installer?? |
| 04:33.46 | adsllc | Anyone have any luck with playing music on 2008.8? I always get "/dev/dsp busy " with madplay and the media player isn't any better. |
| 04:34.03 | adsllc | dingman: installer is already installed - see the bottom of the home page. |
| 04:34.06 | ieatlint | adsllc: it uses alsa, tell madplay to use alsa |
| 04:34.32 | dingman | adsllc, huh? you mean where I don't have a black bar? |
| 04:35.34 | adsllc | dingman: Don't have a black bar? I don't know what you mean. |
| 04:36.12 | dingman | OK, previous versions of this that I played with had black buttons across the bottom that had a tendency to disappear instead of work. |
| 04:36.13 | adsllc | ieatlint: I see no suitable command line option. Am I missing something or is another program recommended? |
| 04:36.30 | adsllc | dingman: What version are you using then? |
| 04:36.48 | dingman | tonight's -qtopia-x11 daily |
| 04:37.12 | dingman | openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 04:37.16 | adsllc | dingman: Ah - no idea then. It works fine with the original 2008.8 is all I know. <G> |
| 04:37.55 | dingman | So you're just expecting an already-installed app that shows up like the others on the home screen, then? |
| 04:38.13 | linuxxr | what does it take to get gsm to work on the 2008.8? |
| 04:38.32 | peepsalot | does the graphical installer in 2008.8 work for anyone? for me it reports all programs as 0 Bytes, and when I click to install, it seems to do nothing and immediately return to the top menu of the installer |
| 04:38.43 | adsllc | dingman: Mine has "INSTALLER" centered across the bottom of the home page much like the arrow is centered across the top. |
| 04:39.17 | dingman | Oh. No such thing. I've got background picture all the way to the edge of the display. |
| 04:39.26 | undrwate1 | peepsalot: mine works...but doesn't list all packages...not sure yet which it lists |
| 04:39.35 | adsllc | dingman: It's not quite like any other app, but it was there since I flashed. |
| 04:39.43 | undrwate1 | dingman: sounds like you're not using 2008.8 |
| 04:39.58 | peepsalot | undrwate1, does it show correct download sizes for apps? |
| 04:40.22 | ieatlint | yeah. i've no good suggestion for you adsllc |
| 04:40.32 | adsllc | K - thanks anyway! |
| 04:40.35 | ieatlint | but /dev/dsp is oss |
| 04:40.40 | undrwate1 | peepsalot: hmm...didn't pay attention... |
| 04:40.49 | dingman | undrwate1, it's definitely the -qtopia-x11 series of dailies. I suppose I could grab the original 2008.8 and opkg-update, but it seemed like coming to the party late I might as well start with today's image/ |
| 04:40.49 | peepsalot | undrwate1, you install apps over USB with the installer? |
| 04:40.50 | ieatlint | and something else has a file lock on it... so only it can use it (alsa oss emulation) |
| 04:41.00 | undrwate1 | peepsalot: no...wifi |
| 04:41.06 | peepsalot | hmm |
| 04:41.15 | peepsalot | i wonder if that has something to do with it |
| 04:41.38 | undrwate1 | no...you're right...says 0 bytes |
| 04:41.41 | undrwate1 | very small... |
| 04:41.43 | ieatlint | adsllc: "lsof | grep dsp" will tell you what is using it... if you can stop it, then madplay can use /dev/dsp |
| 04:41.52 | undrwate1 | that's why i didn't see it beofre...but works OK for me |
| 04:42.00 | adsllc | ieatlint: I'm trying mplayer instead right now... |
| 04:42.06 | peepsalot | hmm, i think i will enter a bug |
| 04:42.08 | ieatlint | yeah, mplayer will work |
| 04:42.30 | chillywilly | no ssh server installed by default on 2008.8? |
| 04:42.56 | adsllc | chillywilly: I've got dropbear |
| 04:43.18 | chillywilly | oh I bet it's just failing beause of the info in my known_hosts file |
| 04:43.43 | peepsalot | anyone else tried using 2008.8 installer over USB networking? |
| 04:45.09 | dingman | peepsalot, I was having trouble with my NAT connection tracking when I did that, so I've just been downloading packages over wifi. |
| 04:45.17 | adsllc | ieatlint: mplayer -ao alsa whatever.mp3/ogg just seems to hang. Oh well. |
| 04:45.36 | dingman | Tonights -qtopia-x11 can even set up a WPA2 network through the GUI :) |
| 04:45.38 | chillywilly | well there's certain qtopia features I miss already ;) |
| 04:45.51 | chillywilly | like the ability to turn the suspend off when plugged into AC |
| 04:46.26 | adsllc | dingman: I got that to work once on the original 2008.8 but the option hasn't been there since. |
| 04:47.01 | chillywilly | what's the "original" 2008.8? |
| 04:47.51 | dingman | adsllc, I just hit Settings->Wifi-><network name> and typed in a password. |
| 04:47.51 | adsllc | dingman: I got that once - and ever since "Wifi" doesn't go any deeper. |
| 04:47.57 | dingman | This would irc me at home, but the AP I carry with me on the road has a simple password so I can just tell my students to use my e-mail address |
| 04:48.03 | *** join/#openmoko MadTBone (n=bruce@cpe-66-65-114-100.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 04:48.05 | adsllc | chillywilly - the one from 2008-08-08. |
| 04:48.07 | ieatlint | adsllc: what happens when run it without -ao? |
| 04:48.21 | adsllc | ieatlint: it uses oss. |
| 04:48.25 | dingman | adsllc, try opkg-update now, then. Theoretically if you're using the daily feeds you should get the same version I have. |
| 04:48.26 | ieatlint | heh |
| 04:48.38 | ieatlint | try "mplayer -ao alsa:device=dmix file" |
| 04:49.17 | peepsalot | dingman, undrwate1 *headslap* i was clicking the "install" text in the lower left corner, as opposed to the big "(Touch me to install)" image at the top. |
| 04:49.31 | dingman | :) |
| 04:49.41 | dingman | At least it's easy to fix! |
| 04:50.00 | undrwate1 | peepsalot: ahhh! :) |
| 04:50.03 | peepsalot | i'm still considering entering as a bug, seems like poor interface design |
| 04:50.27 | undrwate1 | peepsalot: there's some text that says "click me to install" within that image...but not easy to see |
| 04:51.32 | peepsalot | i wonder where they get all these crazy images that looks like they have nothing to do with any of the apps :-) |
| 04:51.46 | dingman | Good heavens! the text showing the source of an incoming SMS is monstrously huge! |
| 04:52.19 | adsllc | dingman: it doesn't appear that the default 2008.8 image has the daily-feeds repo setup - any idea how to set it? I'm opkg illiterate. |
| 04:52.30 | dingman | nevermind, that was apparently t-mobile's fault for embellishing what they sent from the web page. |
| 04:52.46 | dingman | When I choose text-only display, it's perfectly fine. |
| 04:55.38 | undrwate1 | adsllc: you can create a new daily-feeds.conf in /etc/opkg...just borrow one of the others and rename with the correct pointer |
| 04:55.44 | peepsalot | how can i switch to landscape in 2008.8? |
| 04:55.55 | adsllc | undrwate1: And what would that correct pointer be? |
| 04:56.00 | dingman | adsllc, just a sec |
| 04:56.25 | undrwate1 | adsllc: dunno...where are the daily feeds? |
| 04:56.41 | dingman | "src/gz om-dev-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all" is what I've got in /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf. |
| 04:56.55 | dingman | There's several though, and I'm not sure what's in each one. |
| 04:57.12 | dingman | adsllc, are you familiar with apt-get? |
| 04:57.15 | *** join/#openmoko mbuf (n=shakthim@61.16.248.242) |
| 04:57.24 | undrwate1 | maybe borrow the celtune one f |
| 04:57.56 | adsllc | dingman: sorry, no. I'm a Fedora guy. |
| 04:58.14 | dingman | adsllc, I've got that on the other laptop here :) |
| 04:58.34 | dingman | but opkg is descended from apt, which is why I brought it up |
| 04:59.21 | dingman | basically, it looks like /etc/opkg is to opkg as /etc/yum.repos.d is to yum |
| 04:59.38 | dingman | but the file format is different. One line per repository. |
| 04:59.59 | adsllc | peepsalot: Rotate='xrandr -display :0 --output default --rotate left' |
| 05:00.25 | dingman | <repo-type> <repo-name> <repo-url> |
| 05:00.46 | dingman | I haven't seen a repo type of anything but src/gz yet for opkg |
| 05:00.54 | dingman | the name is whatever you like |
| 05:01.11 | adsllc | dingman: thx - processing. |
| 05:01.17 | dingman | and the URL seems to be a directory which contains ipkg files and a Packages.gz file |
| 05:01.47 | dingman | Packages.gz seems to correspond to the repodata/ subdirectory of a yum repo |
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| 05:02.39 | peepsalot | hm, my ssh session seems to be frozen |
| 05:02.56 | adsllc | peepsalot: The touchscreen calibration is no good after rotation, unfortunately. |
| 05:03.04 | peepsalot | the phone is still running fine, but I can't type anything into ssh |
| 05:03.48 | adsllc | peepsalot: Your network connection probably died - how are you connected? |
| 05:04.07 | peepsalot | usb, yeah i think i slept and resumed that caused it |
| 05:04.07 | adsllc | dingman: that updated like 5 packages - nothing terribly consequential - digging deeper. |
| 05:04.36 | shaz | there's nothing like #openmoko-support |
| 05:04.42 | shaz | any idea what it might be |
| 05:04.45 | dingman | adsllc, if you pm me an e-mail address, I'll send you all my feed config files. |
| 05:04.47 | adsllc | peepsalot: close your terminal window and start over - or press ENTER - tilde - ENTER to cancel ssh |
| 05:05.55 | *** join/#openmoko froksen (n=frandsen@87.54.254.190) |
| 05:07.55 | peepsalot | adsllc, ok i'm back in ssh. is there some way to change so I don't have to sudo ifdown usb0 && sudo ifup usb0 every time? |
| 05:07.56 | ieatlint | could sure go for a terrorist fist jab about now |
| 05:08.49 | linuxxr | a script |
| 05:09.03 | *** join/#openmoko buz (n=buz@84-72-53-89.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 05:09.23 | adsllc | peepsalot: use wifi. I hate dinking with the USB stuff. |
| 05:09.36 | peepsalot | what do you use for wifi? |
| 05:10.14 | adsllc | On the network side I've got a Linksys router running DD-WRT with WPA. On the FR I have a little script I use. |
| 05:11.16 | linuxxr | http://pastebin.com/d12f3acc8 |
| 05:11.26 | linuxxr | i have no wifi |
| 05:12.10 | linuxxr | ahh well |
| 05:12.20 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:13.33 | Infoport | hell, now I can't ssh in FR for some reason :-( |
| 05:13.46 | Infoport | No route to host |
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| 05:14.14 | *** part/#openmoko wyze (n=swc|666@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 05:14.15 | dingman | probably means it turned off and the usb0 interface disappeared from your computer. |
| 05:14.39 | linuxxr | wifi |
| 05:14.43 | linuxxr | ? |
| 05:14.50 | linuxxr | usb |
| 05:14.53 | dingman | er, Infoport, what OS is your computer running? My guess might only be applicable to Linux. |
| 05:15.21 | Infoport | it has been off, and disconnected too, but connected (USB) and ifconfig shows it, and I set the IP too |
| 05:15.49 | Infoport | running Ubuntu and currently booted to OM2007...and it WAS working before LOL |
| 05:15.56 | dingman | then 'no route to host' could mean that the FR is not responding. |
| 05:16.15 | dingman | There are a couple issues that can cause this. |
| 05:16.31 | dingman | One is a u-boot issue, and can be dealt with by re-booting the FR |
| 05:16.46 | *** join/#openmoko dracozna (i=thomas@cc408686-b.leek1.gr.home.nl) |
| 05:16.48 | dingman | (or better yet, flashing a newer u-boot that doesn't have the problem) |
| 05:16.53 | Infoport | I turned off wifi on the FR to try to avoid collisions in rules |
| 05:17.45 | Infoport | I'm running an Aug 5th uboot (but I guess I could just reboot again-- the all purpose wrench :-D ) |
| 05:18.15 | dingman | Infoport, I'm not sure how new it has to be |
| 05:18.35 | dingman | Mine was from April before I flashed it for another reason and I never saw the problem myself. |
| 05:18.57 | ieatlint | dmesg on the computer will report if it's the uboot issue |
| 05:19.13 | ieatlint | will give something like "rejected configuration" or the like |
| 05:19.21 | Infoport | and it pings on 192.168.0.200 |
| 05:19.21 | dingman | I always figure if I'm rebooting to fix something, it's really a sign that there's something I don't know, and need to learn. |
| 05:19.46 | ieatlint | how can it ping and give you a no route to host error? |
| 05:19.47 | doc|home | mmontour: er, I mangled typing the email and forgot that ctrl-enter = send. How about there after 6pm? if you'd prefer somewhere else, that's fine. |
| 05:20.11 | dingman | Infoport, 192.168.0.200 is the address for your box, not your phone. |
| 05:20.11 | peepsalot | what does the settings app says "WiFi: unknown" and there is nothing to set |
| 05:20.17 | dingman | So of course you can ping yourself. |
| 05:20.27 | dingman | Does it answer on 192.168.0.202? |
| 05:20.31 | ieatlint | oh, right, hehe |
| 05:20.37 | ieatlint | 202 is the phone |
| 05:21.25 | dingman | I think "no route to host" in this context means "I sent an ARP 'who-has' packet, and nobody answered". |
| 05:22.03 | dingman | but it might mean "I sent a SYN packet, and got back icmp-host-unreachable", too. |
| 05:22.35 | ieatlint | someone knows their network stuff :) |
| 05:22.57 | adsllc | dingman: On a local LAN connection it'd be option 1. |
| 05:23.05 | undrwate1 | anyone know how to do an up arrow on the keyboard? |
| 05:23.27 | dingman | adsllc, iptables can send the ICMP message, too. |
| 05:23.44 | dingman | But I haven't seen an openmoko kernel with netfilter yet. |
| 05:23.45 | ieatlint | the phone isn't running iptables though |
| 05:23.59 | ieatlint | it will be soon... the kernel dev list had a filled request for it |
| 05:24.07 | dingman | :) |
| 05:24.10 | ieatlint | to support ip masq so that people could turn the phone into a gateway |
| 05:24.21 | adsllc | dingman: true dat. |
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| 05:25.00 | dingman | Good to know. I hadn't gotten there yet, but it had struck me as a little odd that a device whose purpose in life is to connect to one or more networks wouldn't have netfilter. |
| 05:25.11 | *** part/#openmoko pea (n=pea@adsl-68-23-85-172.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) |
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| 05:26.37 | ieatlint | if it were a 3g phone and had the ability to quickly jump into a gateway/proxy... that would rule |
| 05:27.35 | dingman | ieatlint, there's something about NetworkManager on the 2008.8 features page, and I know NetworkManager 0.7 is supposed to gain the ability to set up gatewaying. |
| 05:27.59 | dingman | can the Atheros wifi chip operate in AP mode? |
| 05:28.08 | ieatlint | well, i have the technical know-how to do it on a console... i just mean that it's not 100% useful with only gprs |
| 05:28.09 | ieatlint | nope |
| 05:28.15 | ieatlint | no ap mode, no monitor mode |
| 05:28.26 | dingman | aw, shucks. |
| 05:28.42 | dingman | Maybe for the GTA03 ;) |
| 05:29.38 | dingman | ieatlint, sometimes, GPRS is way better than nothing. |
| 05:29.42 | ieatlint | i wonder if i could integrate a zigbee transceiver... :P |
| 05:29.44 | RayDar | will feel betrayed if I cannot get 2008.8 on my GTA01. |
| 05:29.57 | dingman | Heck, sometimes it's way better than the Wifi at hotels |
| 05:30.01 | ieatlint | dingman: oh, it is always way better than nothing |
| 05:30.10 | adsllc | ***RayDar: I understand that you can't do it today but they are working on it. |
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| 05:31.32 | chillywilly | is there a media player and what is the package name? |
| 05:31.47 | cjb | openmoko-mediaplayer |
| 05:31.48 | cjb | I think |
| 05:32.03 | chillywilly | will that work on 2008.8? |
| 05:32.37 | cjb | dunno |
| 05:32.38 | ieatlint | i wonder if the phone freaks out if you try to drop it to qvga to play a video |
| 05:32.49 | adsllc | cjb: close - it's openmoko-mediaplayer2 |
| 05:33.25 | dingman | hmm. I can get most of the way through sending an SMS, but on the page where I should be able to send it, the bottom buttons - send and options - are non-responsive. |
| 05:33.26 | chillywilly | that drags a lot of packages with it |
| 05:33.50 | adsllc | ieatlint: I had good luck - see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player#Playback_helper_script |
| 05:33.53 | chillywilly | wow, tons of packages |
| 05:34.09 | chillywilly | :-/ |
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| 05:35.52 | adsllc | ieatlint: That was with 2007.2, haven't tried with 2008.8 yet. |
| 05:36.05 | Infoport | no ping 192.168.0.200 works but not .202 "Destination Host Unreachable" |
| 05:37.00 | adsllc | Infoport: Is your FR plugged in and turned on (ie not suspended)? |
| 05:38.35 | Infoport | adsllc: yes on and screen up (and connected to network even, about every other time I cycle GSM) |
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| 05:39.09 | adsllc | Infoport: Sounds like your usb0 on your FR is disabled or set to some oddball IP address. |
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| 05:42.36 | ieatlint | just did a test... choppy playback on mine |
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| 05:42.52 | ieatlint | but then, could be the compression |
| 05:44.20 | adsllc | ieatlint: I got Peach to play back just fine with the instructions to that page. |
| 05:45.39 | Infoport | I have had to set IP on host with sudo ifconfig 192.168.0.200 (it loses IP address when un/re-plugged) |
| 05:45.45 | chillywilly | I dunno I prefer the qtopia media player but it'd not working by default (the reason I prefer it is that you can use your fingers to control it) |
| 05:46.29 | adsllc | ieatlint: Sorry - Big Buck Bunny - not Peach. |
| 05:46.43 | ieatlint | am trying with my own... transcoding it this time, will see |
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| 05:49.41 | roh | ieatlint individually one can hack in nearly every radio given enough space/small module.. but for mp i think zigbee will not happen |
| 05:49.53 | roh | to be frank.. zigbee is dead already |
| 05:50.25 | ieatlint | eh... it gives you an encrypted stream at 250kpbs for long ranges |
| 05:50.45 | roh | still nobody in the CE world uses it. |
| 05:51.05 | roh | absolutely nice. not really in wide use at all |
| 05:51.26 | ieatlint | eh.. its implementation is easy enough for custom uses though |
| 05:51.34 | roh | ive never even seen a device i could touch outside a sales fair booth |
| 05:51.49 | Infoport | turns out...my FR /etc/network/interfaces was borked, but removing a comment or two fixed it (glad I installed matchbox keyboard, but wish I had Duraflex keyboard) |
| 05:52.05 | roh | besides.. that what we wired i2c, spi and a irq line onto the debug con and the pads around it. |
| 05:52.10 | ieatlint | well, for $40 you can buy a zigbee usb setup, but it draws something like 300mA |
| 05:52.20 | roh | 300mA? bwahhhah |
| 05:52.39 | roh | you can nearly run the whole fr on it. everything on |
| 05:53.16 | ieatlint | yeah, with just the screen and gsm modem on, the fr takes 200mA |
| 05:53.18 | roh | for comparison.. we count in micro ampere and micro and milli watt |
| 05:53.26 | ieatlint | throw in wifi, gps, bt... probably is 300 :P |
| 05:54.07 | roh | e.g. we even searched for pullups which we could exchange for ones with higher ohm resistors to save power |
| 05:54.47 | ieatlint | yeah, well, hehe |
| 05:55.10 | ieatlint | perhaps a zigbee module and a 6Ah battery mod go hand in hand :P |
| 05:55.20 | roh | i really learned a lot of neat tricks and design rules one never would think of in the hobby electronics world |
| 05:55.26 | Infoport | whew! gotta be able to shell-in |
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| 06:00.03 | Infoport | the differences between OM2007 and 2008.8, with buttons etc for ending programs, turn stuff on/off, shutdown, is driving me crazy |
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| 06:00.42 | undrwate1 | oh yeah....how do you turn off wifi in 08.08 |
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| 06:01.48 | Infoport | I think a mod to use BUG modules would be nice (BUG article in Aug 2008 Linux Journal) |
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| 06:03.47 | Infoport | although the OM already has about half the BUG modules as hardware |
| 06:03.55 | noaXess | hi all. |
| 06:03.57 | noaXess | does anybody now about the plans for a external camera for the freerunner? |
| 06:04.53 | dingman | I seem to recall a wrench icon in the top bar that's not there. Anyone know how to get it back? |
| 06:05.11 | undrwate1 | dingman: illume-config |
| 06:05.18 | undrwate1 | opkg install |
| 06:05.26 | dingman | thanks |
| 06:05.42 | chillywilly | is there a batter monitor applet as I see one in certain screenshots |
| 06:06.42 | adsllc | G'nite all. |
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| 06:07.16 | linuxxr | fdisk: WARNING: rereading partition table failed, kernel still uses old table: Device or resource busy |
| 06:07.32 | linuxxr | this happens to the sdcard |
| 06:07.56 | Infoport | dingman: do you have any "leftover parts" after closing the case? |
| 06:08.23 | dingman | no... |
| 06:08.34 | dingman | unless you count the spare batteries |
| 06:08.34 | chillywilly | well the mediaplayer plays like crap |
| 06:09.05 | Infoport | a case mod to accept the open-hardware of the BUG modules would accept BUG modules...including camera. and they use linux too of course |
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| 06:09.45 | Infoport | dingman: I was just kidding (missing wrench). |
| 06:09.59 | dingman | oh, right. |
| 06:10.02 | linuxxr | buggy |
| 06:10.04 | dingman | Noo much time lag |
| 06:10.17 | dingman | s/N/T/ |
| 06:10.22 | linuxxr | too many items |
| 06:10.35 | dingman | Does apt speak sed? |
| 06:10.37 | Infoport | dingman: undrwate1 nailed it (you must be running 2008.8, or qtopia?) |
| 06:10.59 | dingman | -qtopia-x11 daily, yup |
| 06:11.13 | Infoport | dingman: i've seen many articles on combining awk & sed |
| 06:11.41 | dingman | I don't use awk much, but I love sed. |
| 06:11.53 | Infoport | dingman using them together for combined power of their abilities |
| 06:12.14 | dingman | yeah, I know. I just usually sub in other tools. |
| 06:12.20 | dingman | Long years of habbit. |
| 06:12.56 | dingman | Though my co-workers keep adding awk references to courses they edit and I have to teach, so I better brush up ;) |
| 06:14.45 | Infoport | dingman: it is really better than hacks with grep to get the Nth column values from output, but I dont use it as much as some |
| 06:15.04 | dingman | Infoport, so is cut |
| 06:15.33 | dingman | Not knocking it, though. If nothing else, the combination of sed and awk inspired the creation of Perl. |
| 06:15.43 | dingman | That alone is enough to justify its existence |
| 06:15.58 | Infoport | dingman I had a friend make a solution on one line with awk, sed and a few other bits, five or six pipes at least-- took some concentration to grok |
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| 06:16.42 | dingman | The Unix philosphy. Many small tools doing one thing well and communicating over text streams. |
| 06:18.25 | dingman | installed illume-config, no wrench, and no such command. |
| 06:19.52 | raster | sighs |
| 06:20.48 | ieatlint | okay, let's do a poll... |
| 06:20.57 | ieatlint | how many of you are wearing pants |
| 06:21.03 | noaXess | ? |
| 06:21.10 | raster | thankfully i am now |
| 06:21.10 | noaXess | should we? |
| 06:21.11 | dingman | ieatlint, do shorts count? |
| 06:21.18 | raster | sin count. |
| 06:21.24 | raster | dingman: they count |
| 06:21.28 | raster | they are just short pants |
| 06:21.29 | raster | :) |
| 06:21.34 | dingman | raises his hand |
| 06:21.38 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 06:21.53 | ieatlint | ok, that makes 3 people including myself.. and 369 people in the channel |
| 06:21.54 | dingman | also protests that he's outgrown short pants! |
| 06:22.03 | noaXess | does anybody know about an upcoming freerunner with integrated camera? |
| 06:22.05 | ieatlint | think about that. |
| 06:22.12 | noaXess | ieatlint: short too ;) |
| 06:22.18 | dingman | noaXess, I know I won't buy such a thing |
| 06:22.22 | raster | protest schmotest |
| 06:22.24 | raster | PANTS ON! |
| 06:22.42 | noaXess | dingman: ? don't understand.. |
| 06:22.54 | dingman | noaXess, historical reference. |
| 06:23.16 | linuxxr | JFFS2 version 2.2. (NAND) (SUMMARY) © 2001-2006 Red Hat, Inc |
| 06:23.19 | ieatlint | noaXess: no one knows the answer to your question, the next hardware revision is still just being discussed |
| 06:23.27 | noaXess | ok.. |
| 06:23.37 | ieatlint | i think edge is the most sought after feature though |
| 06:23.48 | dingman | noaXess, a couple centuries ago in the USA and possibly other places, you wore "short pants" until your parents decided you were old enough for grown-up clothes. |
| 06:23.50 | ieatlint | but camera is definitely up on the list |
| 06:23.53 | noaXess | nice will be, if there is one external cam ;) |
| 06:24.59 | noaXess | ieatlint: thats cool.. |
| 06:25.42 | ieatlint | right now, the only confirmed feature i've heard is that the hardware will be different, along with the case |
| 06:25.56 | ieatlint | (that isn't meant as a joke -- the hardware between the gta01 and 2 is basically the same) |
| 06:26.36 | dingman | noaXess, oh, you meant why I wouldn't buy a camera phone? |
| 06:26.57 | noaXess | dingman: yes.. :) |
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| 06:27.07 | dingman | Two reasons. One, phone cameras are inevitably out-of-date and useless while I'm still using the phone |
| 06:27.19 | linuxxr | yup |
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| 06:27.34 | Infoport | worldwide PANTS! |
| 06:27.34 | dingman | Two, and more important, I sometimes work in high security environments where camera phones are not permitted. |
| 06:27.45 | linuxxr | gov |
| 06:27.58 | noaXess | dingman: okay thats good reasons.. |
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| 06:28.14 | linuxxr | but a linux machine is inagine that |
| 06:28.27 | dingman | government, sure, but also companies that are worried about industrial espionage. |
| 06:28.35 | noaXess | but if you are on a trip, where you can't get to much with you.. just a bag and your phone.. then it will be nice if there is a cam inside your pohone |
| 06:28.43 | Infoport | a camera would allow barcode scanning. its already done via webcams |
| 06:29.08 | noaXess | or if you are on a party.. and whant just mae snap shots.. |
| 06:29.15 | noaXess | and send them to friends.. |
| 06:29.53 | noaXess | or be a technical to take a pcture from a damaged server or router or what ever.. |
| 06:30.20 | Infoport | I found use for camera phone when neighbors pitsbulls kept getting out and attacking-- the phone is just so ubiquitous, always with you when you need it |
| 06:30.49 | noaXess | Infoport: right |
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| 06:41.42 | dingman | speaking of "with you when you need it" - anyone making a belt clip for the Neos yet? |
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| 06:43.00 | DieMumie1 | speaking of extensions, are there any case modifications available that can hold a nintendo ds touch screen pen |
| 06:43.05 | SUNWjoejaxx | dingman: i had brought that up earlier |
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| 06:43.14 | SUNWjoejaxx | dingman: i really wish they made holsters for them |
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| 06:43.51 | dingman | I've got the predecessor to this (http://www.seidio.com/holster.html) for my Treo, and I want one just like it for my Neo! |
| 06:44.30 | dingman | But I suspect there aren't enough people with Neos to get 3rd-party companies interested yet. |
| 06:47.34 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rac33ed13414b 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [opreferncesd] Added phone configurations |
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| 06:48.20 | dingman | Installing illume-config doesn't seem to have helped get my wrench icon back. Anyone have a hint? |
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| 06:55.33 | ieatlint | alright, i just went from disliking xandros to hating it with a passion |
| 06:57.40 | dingman | ieatlint, I suspect I'd agree if I ever tried it, so I haven't |
| 06:58.07 | ieatlint | girlfriend has it on her asus eeepc... |
| 06:58.44 | dingman | ieatlint: Oh, that's a @$^#%ized version of Xandros. Even worse than standard. |
| 06:59.14 | dingman | There's a Fedora spin for Eeepc that a lot of my co-workers seem to like |
| 06:59.32 | ieatlint | the atheros adapter randomly stopped working... spent 10min trying to figure out why (and i've dealt with these bastard modules a lot) |
| 06:59.34 | kgoetz | ieatlint: i've found it somewhat pulse raising too |
| 06:59.41 | ieatlint | so i decide to just upgrade all the packages |
| 07:00.09 | ieatlint | heh... fucking thing fills up its hdd with packages and goes into a reboot loop |
| 07:00.43 | dingman | ! |
| 07:00.48 | ieatlint | gee... if we're customising it for a small hdd, maybe we should download, install, delete per package |
| 07:01.35 | ieatlint | had to deal with their shitty ass busybox console that didn't give me du, df or find... so try locating the damn deb packages |
| 07:01.44 | kgoetz | its a 4gb flash. hth does it fill that up when updating? |
| 07:01.56 | ieatlint | it's a 2gb version |
| 07:02.04 | kgoetz | :| |
| 07:02.37 | dingman | ieatlint, on a normal debian system it's /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 07:02.45 | lindi- | ieatlint: busybox has du, doesn't it? |
| 07:02.49 | ieatlint | yeah, and so it was there |
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| 07:03.00 | ieatlint | busybox can have du, but they didn't compile it |
| 07:03.26 | lindi- | ieatlint: oh, and it wasn't just missing symlink? |
| 07:03.27 | ieatlint | anyway, i got it worked out, 387mb of deb files in a cache dir |
| 07:03.37 | ieatlint | nope, it didn't support it |
| 07:03.41 | lindi- | ok |
| 07:04.04 | ieatlint | i use a eeepc too (in fact, i'm on one now) |
| 07:04.18 | ieatlint | but i got xandros off of it (and i bought the 8gb version) |
| 07:04.25 | dingman | yuck. |
| 07:04.39 | ieatlint | actually it serves its purpose really well |
| 07:04.40 | dingman | yuck to the full cache, not eepc |
| 07:04.46 | ieatlint | oh, hehe |
| 07:04.53 | ieatlint | yeah, i love it... |
| 07:05.21 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:05.31 | ieatlint | i connect mine to a 19" lcd with a model m keyboard when i'm at my gf's apartment, so i forget i'm on it |
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| 07:28.20 | beni_ | in the top menu of ASU, what does the small symbol with the star mean? |
| 07:28.42 | beni_ | that next to the clock |
| 07:28.44 | dingman | beni_, I think that's GSM signal |
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| 07:29.09 | beni_ | i have no SIM inserted and also see it... |
| 07:29.17 | beni_ | hm. |
| 07:29.29 | dingman | to the left of the star, or under it? |
| 07:29.31 | beni_ | maybe GSM-module enabled? |
| 07:29.47 | beni_ | the symbol is a very small rectangle with a star over it |
| 07:29.57 | beni_ | s/over/above/ |
| 07:30.31 | dingman | Ok, I would have interpreted that as "one bar" of signal strength. |
| 07:30.47 | dingman | Mine has increasingly tall bars off to the right from there. |
| 07:31.04 | dingman | Four, total, but I'm in downtown Chicago where I'd expect the signal to be strong. |
| 07:31.08 | beni_ | ok, then this is most probably GSM. |
| 07:31.13 | dingman | At home, it varries |
| 07:31.32 | dingman | Even without a SIM, you may be attached to a GSM network for 911-only |
| 07:31.36 | beni_ | it is ok htat i only have a flash icon and have no way to know battery charge level? |
| 07:31.47 | dingman | flash icon? |
| 07:32.00 | dingman | the lightning bolt thing? |
| 07:32.09 | beni_ | yes |
| 07:32.11 | beni_ | ligntning bolt |
| 07:32.23 | dingman | means plugged in and probably charging |
| 07:32.29 | beni_ | argh, im not really awaken i think :) |
| 07:32.48 | beni_ | dingman: even if i am outdoor doing GPS stuff without to be even next to a socket? |
| 07:33.08 | dingman | Doesn't mean it's right... |
| 07:33.09 | beni_ | i would expect that the bolt changes to some battery symbol telling me the battery level |
| 07:33.26 | beni_ | maybe i try some opkg upgrade. |
| 07:33.30 | dingman | But it charges over USB, so if you're tethered to a laptop it might be true. |
| 07:33.44 | beni_ | no, standalone use |
| 07:33.47 | beni_ | no plug inserted |
| 07:34.27 | dingman | then it's lying |
| 07:34.29 | beni_ | ok, thank you very much for all the information |
| 07:34.38 | dingman | cat /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/status |
| 07:34.43 | dingman | that tells the truth :) |
| 07:34.44 | beni_ | i will play a bit with it hoping that it will work in the future |
| 07:35.02 | beni_ | ah thanks for the tip |
| 07:35.27 | dingman | just trying to help. I certainly get enough of it myself in here. |
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| 07:39.02 | BlackFog | 'morning |
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| 07:41.11 | beni_ | ah, btw, i forgot to ask how to get a console back to ASU. I installed xterm, but it doesnt appear on the screen. |
| 07:41.25 | beni_ | do i need to add a .desktop file for it manually? |
| 07:41.37 | beni_ | or is there a better terminal app available? |
| 07:41.38 | raster | it doesnt provide a .desktop |
| 07:41.57 | raster | also irt has no way to get a keyboard unless u install an alternate theme that gives u a manual keyboard button |
| 07:42.12 | raster | also the qtopia keyboard doesnt provide all the keys u'll need to use a terminal |
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| 07:42.59 | beni_ | i have a keyboard installed, that is not the problem |
| 07:43.06 | beni_ | the problem is to lauchn the terminal app |
| 07:45.34 | raster | aaah |
| 07:45.37 | trix | 2009.9 is going to rock. hard. |
| 07:45.42 | raster | then u are just missing the .desktop file for xterm |
| 07:45.46 | raster | as it doesnt install one |
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| 07:46.50 | beni_ | okay |
| 07:47.06 | beni_ | was wondering if he did something wrong |
| 07:47.07 | dingman | beni_, openmoko-terminal2 worked for me |
| 07:47.37 | dingman | install illume-config and re-boot and it becomes possible with a little luck to get a decent terminal-compatible keyboard in that terminal app |
| 07:47.48 | dingman | and it shows up on the home screen so you can launch it. |
| 07:48.42 | beni_ | k thanks |
| 07:48.55 | dingman | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Keyboard_Toggle |
| 07:49.26 | beni_ | already did that |
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| 07:50.11 | dingman | beni_, I seem to have to select the terminal keyboard right before I launch the terminal to make it work. |
| 07:51.05 | beni_ | okay |
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| 08:04.31 | ZzzZzZZorkman | raster, you still there? |
| 08:04.42 | Zorkman | or anybody else.. |
| 08:04.51 | raster | ja |
| 08:05.00 | Zorkman | I don't know what happened, but in stead of booting into 2008.8 it boots into illume... |
| 08:05.10 | raster | ? |
| 08:05.30 | Zorkman | i get an illume bootscreen (with sun and clouds) |
| 08:05.32 | rtyler | Dave: dingdong |
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| 08:06.04 | rtyler | Dave: http://pictotweet.com/Detail.aspx?id=81 Qtopia *looks* nice, but the audio still doesn't work :p |
| 08:06.05 | Zorkman | and then there is an OS with a taskbar and virtual desktops and everytthing.. |
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| 08:07.06 | Zorkman | it has also a button that has the same use as the "start" button in windows |
| 08:07.43 | Zorkman | does anybody know how this came to happen? i did nothing special execpt installing a few apps like supertux and pidgin |
| 08:07.50 | raster | Zorkman: dunno - u didnt install 2008/8 (asu) |
| 08:07.58 | Zorkman | yes it was a 2008.8 install |
| 08:08.11 | raster | i doubt it |
| 08:08.21 | Zorkman | but I already booted a lot of time in 2008.8 |
| 08:08.24 | raster | u flashed |
| 08:08.27 | raster | oir upgraded? |
| 08:08.37 | Zorkman | i ididn't run opkg upgrade or nothing |
| 08:08.48 | Zorkman | I flashed two days agao to 2008.8 |
| 08:08.53 | Zorkman | since then no upgrade or reflash |
| 08:09.02 | raster | then all of a sudden it changed? |
| 08:09.13 | Zorkman | yes... |
| 08:09.28 | raster | strange |
| 08:09.34 | Zorkman | i've booted it again now, i'll see if I can take a screenshot |
| 08:09.39 | raster | mv ~/.e ~/.e-old |
| 08:09.49 | raster | and restart e |
| 08:10.01 | raster | (killall -HUP enlightenment) |
| 08:10.07 | raster | or just reboot/hard reset |
| 08:10.46 | Zorkman | but anotheer question: this illume seems like a full OS, with more settings that are easily configured than 2008.8 |
| 08:11.04 | Zorkman | if all the functionallity is there, why is'nt it in 2008.8? |
| 08:11.14 | Zorkman | settings like set wallpaper are there |
| 08:11.17 | raster | illume is a module for e |
| 08:11.33 | raster | it simply modifies e's standard desktop wm behavior to be more "gadget geared" |
| 08:11.42 | raster | e has the ability to be extended arbitarily by any code u like |
| 08:11.48 | raster | i.e - plugns/modules |
| 08:11.57 | raster | so u have a full install of e lurking there |
| 08:12.05 | raster | with everything its desktop install has |
| 08:12.33 | raster | it6 was desiced by the designer that in asu almost nothing of e's is really to be accessible or enabled |
| 08:12.45 | raster | i do realise a lot of e stuff doesnt make sense on a phone |
| 08:12.51 | raster | buty a chunk does |
| 08:12.55 | raster | and keeping that would have been good |
| 08:13.13 | raster | it would need some effort to replace cofnig dialogs to be more finger/moko screen friendly |
| 08:13.27 | Zorkman | another thing: e seems to be faster... |
| 08:13.39 | Zorkman | things like numptyphysics run smoother, even with a lot of textures, how can that be? |
| 08:14.11 | raster | ... e doesnt touch anythign inside an apps window |
| 08:14.15 | raster | thats the apps business |
| 08:16.02 | Zorkman | well i can only state what i see, it really runs smooth when i have as much lines in that numpty would almost stall on 2008.8 |
| 08:17.06 | raster | is nympty's window the same size? |
| 08:17.25 | Zorkman | when i "maximalise" it yeah |
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| 08:19.38 | raster | hmm |
| 08:19.40 | raster | very odd |
| 08:19.55 | raster | it really shouldnt make a difference |
| 08:20.09 | raster | unless other processes are sitting around hogging cycles... |
| 08:20.10 | raster | ? |
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| 08:20.37 | lpotter | rtyler: what do you mean by qtopia audio still doesnt work? |
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| 08:20.50 | Zorkman | you would know that better... i only know that on 20088 pulseaudio sometimes consumes some cpu |
| 08:21.06 | rtyler | lpotter: like, no audio on the calls, etc ;) |
| 08:21.10 | rtyler | in or out |
| 08:21.17 | lpotter | works for me |
| 08:21.24 | rtyler | 1973? |
| 08:21.38 | lpotter | havent tried lately |
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| 08:23.36 | lpotter | if it doesnt work, i'll fix it up. shouldnt be too much |
| 08:23.47 | rtyler | are you a troll? |
| 08:23.50 | rtyler | grins |
| 08:24.22 | lpotter | not sure how to answer that now |
| 08:24.29 | lpotter | former troll |
| 08:24.31 | rtyler | as in trolltech |
| 08:24.35 | rtyler | coughs |
| 08:24.45 | rtyler | Nokier? I dunno how to either |
| 08:24.48 | lpotter | there is no such thing as trolltech |
| 08:25.09 | lpotter | hmm.. well.. actually. there is still legally, but they have only one employee |
| 08:25.48 | lpotter | yes, i work on the neo device configuration' |
| 08:25.56 | rtyler | kewl beans |
| 08:26.01 | rtyler | got a 1973 handy? |
| 08:26.04 | Zorkman | ok, since it is impossible for me to enter my pin I will try what you suggested raster |
| 08:26.22 | lpotter | rtyler: at work, and i just got home |
| 08:26.24 | Zorkman | (the keyboard is a seperate app that take over focus when i press it) |
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| 08:29.02 | rtyler | lpotter: ah right, you guys are still in Germany right? |
| 08:29.49 | raster | Zorkman: the problme is the qtopia kbd window has already taken the vkbd slot |
| 08:29.52 | raster | andis holding it |
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| 08:30.04 | raster | so there isnt much u can do until qtopia gives up its ownership |
| 08:30.17 | raster | well i wrote the code with a first-come-first-served principle |
| 08:30.28 | raster | i.e. - first one to take the vkbd slot - wins |
| 08:31.24 | lpotter | rtyler: you mean still in Australia |
| 08:31.35 | rtyler | I thought trolltech was in germany/ |
| 08:31.36 | Zorkman | raster, i mv my e-directory as yu told me and rebooted, and now it hangs during the bnooting process: " [90.660000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcsa3 |
| 08:31.42 | Zorkman | i can ssh in though |
| 08:32.00 | lpotter | rtyler: we had offices all over the world. two in germany, |
| 08:32.05 | rtyler | ah righto |
| 08:32.14 | raster | Zorkman: whan on earth is going on... i have never seen that. is your flash full? |
| 08:32.20 | lpotter | qtopia development is done in Australia |
| 08:32.24 | raster | if it were e would be bitching about not being able to save config... |
| 08:32.25 | Shlee | The important question is.. has anyone compiled ScummVm for 2008.8 |
| 08:32.45 | Zorkman | raster: no, I boot from sd card |
| 08:32.56 | Zorkman | rootfs: 53% used |
| 08:32.57 | raster | oooh |
| 08:33.00 | raster | from sd card |
| 08:33.05 | raster | never done that |
| 08:33.08 | raster | tried it or anything |
| 08:33.15 | Zorkman | yeah, but it alwayw worked, never had troubles with it |
| 08:33.19 | raster | only ever tested the jffs2 flashes of nand |
| 08:33.53 | Ainulindale | Still nobody there who worked with ncurses / mouse management ? :-) |
| 08:34.13 | Zorkman | do you know anything that will bring my 2008.8 back to life raster? |
| 08:34.21 | raster | flash to nand? |
| 08:34.35 | Zorkman | i have a working 2007.2 there.... |
| 08:35.08 | Zorkman | it hangs on starting Xserver (and then two messages about No Bus vcs3 and vcsa3) |
| 08:36.12 | raster | can't help |
| 08:36.14 | raster | as i siad |
| 08:36.21 | raster | i have only ever flashed the jffs2 stuff to nand |
| 08:36.25 | raster | and never seen what u do |
| 08:36.42 | raster | its almost as if u lost files on the sd card |
| 08:36.55 | raster | i do understand there have been reports of sd card corruption due to suspend/resume |
| 08:37.05 | raster | and i might imagine u may have lost config files form e as a result |
| 08:37.22 | raster | and thus it's gone back to compiled-in defaults |
| 08:37.26 | raster | which end up being desktop ones |
| 08:37.32 | raster | thats all i can imagine |
| 08:37.56 | Zorkman | k, thx, would i help if I alsek somebody for their e-folder and copied that one to my FR? |
| 08:38.02 | Zorkman | *could |
| 08:38.28 | raster | well as such |
| 08:38.32 | raster | moving it out of the way |
| 08:38.36 | raster | or deleting it |
| 08:38.45 | raster | shoudl reset e to system defaults for a first time user |
| 08:39.02 | raster | as e will populate everything from system defaults stored (As opposed to compiled-in defaults) |
| 08:39.08 | raster | but e is very aggressive at saving |
| 08:39.11 | raster | so 1. kill e |
| 08:39.15 | raster | (killall enlightenment) |
| 08:39.23 | raster | 2. rm -rf ~/.e/ |
| 08:39.25 | raster | 3. reboot |
| 08:39.39 | raster | will ensure it will repopulate from system config |
| 08:40.00 | raster | other than that - i can only asssume u have instaleld something that broke existing packages |
| 08:40.06 | raster | or lost files in sf corruption on sd-card |
| 08:40.12 | Zorkman | ("killall: enlightenment: no process killed") enligtenment is not even started this time |
| 08:40.47 | Zorkman | rm: cannot stat '/home/root/.e': Input/output error |
| 08:40.48 | raster | is there anything on your screen? |
| 08:41.03 | raster | oooh |
| 08:41.05 | raster | IO error |
| 08:41.08 | raster | u are in trouble |
| 08:41.16 | Zorkman | yeah, white text and black backgroud, from the booting process |
| 08:41.22 | Zorkman | it hangs on Starting Xserver |
| 08:41.27 | raster | as i sas beginnign to suspect |
| 08:41.34 | raster | u may have sd corruption issues |
| 08:41.40 | raster | dont use sd for rootfs |
| 08:41.43 | Zorkman | and then i get two messages about not Removing info for No Bus: vcs3 and one for vcsa3 |
| 08:41.43 | raster | flahs onto nand |
| 08:41.46 | raster | thats my advice |
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| 08:42.07 | raster | never tested rootfs on sd |
| 08:42.25 | raster | dont trust it given the flow of glamo related suspend/resume, sd card corruption etc. issues that floiat about |
| 08:42.32 | Zorkman | too bad one can not dualboot then :( |
| 08:42.35 | Zorkman | thanks for the advice |
| 08:43.58 | raster | sorry - but i suspect the weirdness is fs corruptiuon |
| 08:44.10 | raster | the IO error alone makes me go "well.. your fs is fucked. all bets are off then" |
| 08:44.11 | raster | :( |
| 08:44.15 | raster | i guarantee u |
| 08:44.24 | raster | e reads and wrotes config files - a lot |
| 08:44.29 | raster | it relies on your fs being reliable |
| 08:44.38 | raster | e's display is dependent on lots of large datafiles |
| 08:44.40 | raster | (theme files) |
| 08:44.43 | raster | without them its helpless |
| 08:44.49 | Zorkman | do you have any estimate about when the sd corruption will be fixed? (weeks vs moths) |
| 08:44.54 | raster | it is assumed the fs is reliable and exists |
| 08:45.09 | raster | in fact even more assumptions are lke u wont screw with theme files while in use |
| 08:45.12 | raster | e mmap()'s them |
| 08:45.19 | raster | if u go overwite them and truncate them |
| 08:45.21 | raster | e will segv |
| 08:45.35 | raster | as its mmap()ed in chunks of the file for string dictionaries |
| 08:45.36 | raster | etc. |
| 08:45.45 | raster | (to save memory and allow the kernel to page as needed) |
| 08:45.51 | raster | so if u do this |
| 08:46.05 | raster | echo "x" > /path/to/theme/file.edj |
| 08:46.09 | raster | that e is using as its theme |
| 08:46.13 | raster | u are in segv land |
| 08:46.41 | raster | (pretty much the same as would happen if u did that to a shared lib or executable) |
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| 08:47.55 | raster | anyway - point is.. if your fs is having IO troubles.. e is in trouble no matter what and anything bizarre u see may just be io errors or fs corruption of some sort. |
| 08:48.30 | Zorkman | do you have any estimate about when the sd corruption will be fixed? (weeks vs moths) |
| 08:48.40 | raster | no idea |
| 08:48.48 | raster | as i said |
| 08:48.55 | raster | u want a working os - run it off flash |
| 08:48.57 | raster | :( |
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| 08:49.57 | Zorkman | ok, thanks |
| 08:54.20 | Zorkman | oh well, since it is bugged i might as wel risk an opkg upgrade :p |
| 08:56.27 | raster | i doubt u'll do well... |
| 08:56.32 | raster | if u have io errors |
| 08:58.51 | Zorkman | just for the fun of it :) |
| 08:59.52 | Zorkman | maybe if i force-reinstall e |
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| 09:00.57 | Zorkman | aslo, almost everything that is new comes from the rabenfrost.net/celltune feed; why are so many files in the openmoko feeds outdated? |
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| 09:02.21 | pyknite | hi guys... Can we use in location other maps than openstreet maps? |
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| 09:05.51 | Zorkman | pyknite: I don't know, but I do hope so (although i guess there is about 0.1% chanse :)) |
| 09:08.06 | pyknite | Zorkman: ok thanks... because in switzerland openstreet map are not really complete :( |
| 09:08.19 | Zorkman | pyknite: same in my area |
| 09:08.39 | Zorkman | i have sucesfully used marco polo groser reiseplanner with navit (but failed at using garmin maps) |
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| 09:09.05 | Zorkman | but those marco polo maps only covered the big and i couldn't see streetnames |
| 09:09.39 | pyknite | :( |
| 09:10.28 | Zorkman | but OSM uses tiles |
| 09:11.00 | Zorkman | so i guess (i'm not a programmer) it can't be that difficult to generate tiles from garmin maps for example... |
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| 10:09.47 | spdr_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:19.14 | Dave | moo |
| 10:20.00 | spdr_ | yawn |
| 10:20.32 | spdr_ | whats your timezone Dave, you seem to always be here :) |
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| 10:22.19 | Dave | :D |
| 10:22.23 | Dave | Yeah |
| 10:22.35 | Dave | Probably because I'm in my own TZ :P |
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| 10:28.33 | spdr_ | Dave, http://xkcd.com/448/ :) |
| 10:29.47 | dns53 | i'm waiting for a cheap gps http://xkcd.com/407/ |
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| 10:30.31 | proton_ | Test |
| 10:30.36 | dns53 | are there any geohashing clients on the openmoko? |
| 10:31.32 | Dave | o.O |
| 10:31.44 | Dave | geohashing client? |
| 10:32.43 | spdr_ | lol |
| 10:32.50 | Dave | geocaching? |
| 10:32.54 | dns53 | http://wiki.xkcd.com/geohashing/Main_Page |
| 10:33.00 | Dave | -_- |
| 10:33.11 | Dave | stabs dns53 |
| 10:37.27 | spdr_ | oh btw, is it possible to get a dhcpd running on the moko? :0 |
| 10:37.43 | cesarb | raster: I've been thinking... Can't the openrisc be used to generate a vsync interrupt to avoid tearing? (And doesn't openrisc have a c compiler?) |
| 10:40.20 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r01fbb4502a63 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: document IncomingMessage(index) in org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM |
| 10:40.28 | Dave | spdr, supposedly, yes. |
| 10:40.46 | Dave | Hello cesarb :) |
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| 10:42.01 | cesarb | Dave: hi |
| 10:42.34 | Dave | What's the latest from CesarB productions? :) |
| 10:43.23 | cesarb | Dave: ? |
| 10:43.52 | Dave | What sort of exciting development changes have you been responsible for, lately? |
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| 10:45.01 | cesarb | Dave: mostly playing with 2.6.26 on GTA01, fixed the MMC driver and the gllin compat symlink |
| 10:45.57 | cesarb | Dave: now porting the cpufreq code to 2.6.26, but moved parts of it to the cpufreq core in a way which really simplifies these parts and avoids having the drivers depend on the cpufreq cpu driver |
| 10:47.25 | Dave | Cesarb, sounds like good progress :) |
| 10:47.52 | Zero_Dogg | in the qtopia image, is it possible to get a finger-usable keyboard (ie. like normal phones, numbers mapped to letters)? |
| 10:47.52 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r2c5ec47e7b0f 10/src/zhone: zhone: s/NewMessage/IncomingMessage/ |
| 10:48.02 | Dave | and of course, we appreciate all the hard work you've been doing in that area, and eagerly await your next milestone ;) |
| 10:48.18 | Dave | zero_dogg, don't you mean, for normal fingers? :P |
| 10:48.26 | Dave | hehe |
| 10:48.48 | Dave | Zero_Dogg, you want something like GTK's multitap-pad? |
| 10:48.49 | Zero_Dogg | if you've got fingers small enough to type on that then you're probably still an infant :) |
| 10:49.12 | Dave | :D |
| 10:50.58 | Zero_Dogg | yeah, I've installed qtopia on the SD card to test, but having the stylus always around isn't really an option :) |
| 10:51.08 | cesarb | Dave: actually, I'm still working on getting back to where I was (but this time ready to progress faster, due to the cpufreq core changes). I lost ~2 months to real life, and then several weeks while I tried the different distributions several times until I found something that worked (when I stopped, there was only one distro!) |
| 10:51.34 | Dave | Aww :[ |
| 10:51.39 | cesarb | Dave: ended up settling on 2007.2 with the "august snapshot" u-boot (because newer ones were failing on qemu) |
| 10:51.49 | Dave | yeah :) |
| 10:51.55 | Dave | I did the same! |
| 10:52.16 | cesarb | will try to edit the multitap config file to get a > to do the tests (a / would be nice too) |
| 10:52.28 | Dave | hah, yeah |
| 10:52.43 | Dave | cesarb, not a fan of matchbox? ;) |
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| 10:54.36 | Dave | haha, micro-emacs |
| 10:54.40 | Dave | sick. |
| 10:55.34 | cesarb | Dave: well, the only keyboard on the neo I really liked so far was the old 2007.2 one (recently the fonts on it became uglier), but I didn't try raster's yet |
| 10:55.42 | cesarb | Dave: of course, it did need a stylus |
| 10:56.39 | Dave | yeah :| |
| 10:56.46 | mickeyl | check out FSO milestone2 |
| 10:56.49 | mickeyl | you'll love raster's new one |
| 10:56.52 | Dave | raster has a keyboard? or a font? |
| 10:57.18 | mickeyl | (keyboard) |
| 10:57.27 | Dave | ooh hot |
| 10:57.32 | Dave | is it available yet? :D |
| 10:58.26 | Dave | goddamnit, I am going to cc slocate for arm. This is too pissing. |
| 10:59.02 | mickeyl | sure. fso milestone2 has been released 7/30. download from downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2 |
| 10:59.03 | Dave | also lynx. |
| 10:59.26 | Dave | Mickeyl, features? |
| 10:59.32 | mickeyl | telephony |
| 10:59.33 | mickeyl | sms |
| 10:59.45 | si-m1 | is there a gui packagemanager in fso like in 2008.8 ? |
| 10:59.46 | mickeyl | but that's not what's it about |
| 10:59.56 | mickeyl | the dbus framework underneath is what counts |
| 11:00.14 | Dave | Corrected? |
| 11:00.34 | mickeyl | (for the FSO-image, at least) |
| 11:00.50 | mickeyl | ? |
| 11:00.59 | Dave | okay |
| 11:01.01 | Dave | yea |
| 11:01.05 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 11:01.06 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 11:01.10 | mickeyl | heh |
| 11:01.42 | Dave | So far fso isn't batting very well with me... |
| 11:03.23 | lpotter | maybe it plays cricket instead of baseball |
| 11:03.36 | Dave | even worse :( |
| 11:04.26 | Dave | bribes raster for his keyboard |
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| 11:10.22 | Dave | friggin' gstreamer |
| 11:10.44 | ecraven | hehe, just copying 500mb of tangogps maps' worth to the neo |
| 11:10.51 | Dave | ecraven :D |
| 11:10.55 | ecraven | why can't tangogps use navit .bin files ;( |
| 11:11.32 | Dave | sad? |
| 11:11.57 | Dave | I heard navit was crap |
| 11:13.43 | ecraven | well, it has routing (which tangogps doesn't have) |
| 11:13.48 | ecraven | what other programs are there? |
| 11:15.22 | Dave | right |
| 11:15.29 | Dave | but it kind of sucks at even that, right? |
| 11:15.32 | Dave | or complications |
| 11:15.38 | Dave | or that it has bad maps |
| 11:16.24 | ecraven | it has osm maps ;) |
| 11:16.45 | Dave | oh, good |
| 11:16.53 | Dave | then why is everyone complaining so? |
| 11:18.01 | xt | people like to complain |
| 11:18.14 | Dave | duh |
| 11:18.17 | Dave | :) |
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| 11:19.38 | Dave | holy crap, what's with all these gsmd plugins o_O |
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| 11:25.41 | Dave | ecravens |
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| 11:31.30 | Dave | Has anyone here tried gphoto2 yet? |
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| 11:32.28 | masked_ | dammit i cant get X working |
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| 11:34.01 | ecraven | masked_: what's the error message? |
| 11:35.50 | Dave | maybe the toast just popped up :) |
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| 11:37.30 | confidential1 | what is the fbset-modes package? |
| 11:37.57 | Dave | Does it not contain any package information/ |
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| 11:38.57 | confidential1 | I dunno, it's just that it fails to be downloaded every time I run "opkg upgrade"... |
| 11:39.18 | Dave | o.O |
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| 11:39.47 | Dave | Description: Default display timings and resolutions for fbset |
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| 11:43.25 | Dave | haha, wow, EOD |
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| 11:48.29 | Dave | Hoenoes, I require additional flash memories! |
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| 11:52.08 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rac8bb7d7f3ae 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko-feed] correct some merge errors |
| 11:52.08 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r7356d70c8770 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [bluez] update all to same version |
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| 11:57.40 | Dave | woooooooooot |
| 11:57.47 | Dave | Later joerg :P |
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| 12:01.35 | nuclear_eclipse | re you using msysgit? |
| 12:01.38 | nuclear_eclipse | oops |
| 12:01.44 | nuclear_eclipse | wrong channel :P |
| 12:02.06 | Dave | nuclear eclipse! |
| 12:02.10 | Ken-Young | Now I'll never know what msysgit is... |
| 12:02.23 | Dave | sounds naughty :p |
| 12:02.27 | nuclear_eclipse | Ken-Young: http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/ |
| 12:02.34 | Dave | hahaha, batmand |
| 12:02.37 | Ken-Young | nuclear_eclipse, THanks! |
| 12:02.39 | Dave | nice |
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| 12:03.24 | nuclear_eclipse | what's up all? |
| 12:03.41 | Dave | pimpin' packages yo |
| 12:04.07 | nuclear_eclipse | while I'm here, anyone else having trouble (404's) when doing `opkg update` with the new ASU release? |
| 12:04.51 | Dave | asu smells |
| 12:04.58 | Dave | :P |
| 12:05.06 | nuclear_eclipse | like chicken? |
| 12:05.39 | chillywilly | the ASU UI is just kind of weird ;P |
| 12:05.45 | xt | no u |
| 12:05.55 | chillywilly | the arrows to bring the menu down is too small for finger, IMHO |
| 12:06.11 | si-m1 | nah, it's just fine |
| 12:06.20 | SpeedEvil | passes chillywilly a jumbo pencil sharpener. |
| 12:06.20 | xt | ya |
| 12:06.26 | si-m1 | you can make it larger |
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| 12:06.34 | si-m1 | with illume-config |
| 12:06.41 | xt | just grow smaller fingers in your next version |
| 12:08.04 | chillywilly | I don't grok the openmoko media player |
| 12:08.17 | chillywilly | what's preventing the qtopia one from working? |
| 12:08.28 | chillywilly | I get no sound with it and it seems I cannot "remove" it |
| 12:10.23 | nuclear_eclipse | chillywilly: perhaps an issue of using pulseaudio, which Qtopia doesn't have/expect |
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| 12:11.56 | McKael | Hi there |
| 12:12.14 | McKael | Do you know if there's a parted package somewhere? |
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| 12:13.09 | chillywilly | nuclear_eclipse: can you redirect it to use pulseaudio somehow? I don't know the command... |
| 12:13.21 | McKael | I couldn't read the microSD from the PC so I'd like to alter it from the FR itself... :\ |
| 12:15.30 | nuclear_eclipse | chillywilly: no clue |
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| 12:20.00 | chillywilly | padsp? |
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| 12:28.48 | Dave | yeah... mediaplayers... |
| 12:29.05 | Dave | what works? what doesn't? |
| 12:29.35 | madwoota | none. all. :) |
| 12:30.00 | Dave | -_-; |
| 12:30.42 | Dave | Thanks madwoota, that's really helpful. |
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| 12:35.21 | Dave | Speedevil |
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| 12:42.40 | Bish | any news, about the asu? |
| 12:42.46 | Bish | aka 2008.8? |
| 12:43.16 | dns53 | it's nice, look at the link of the wiki |
| 12:43.22 | Bish | yeah i tried it |
| 12:43.34 | Bish | but i didnt like the keyboard, because i wasnt able to find out how to change it to a german wordlist |
| 12:43.53 | Bish | but i didnt like the keyboard, because i wasnt able to find out how to change it to a german wordlist |
| 12:43.58 | dns53 | yeah i did like the april version |
| 12:44.11 | Bish | dns53: meaning? |
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| 12:44.52 | dns53 | the classic phone keyboard is easier to use than the qwerty one |
| 12:45.01 | Bish | dns53: the classic phone is waht |
| 12:45.02 | Bish | ? |
| 12:45.05 | Dave | august, you mean |
| 12:45.11 | Dave | ze germanz |
| 12:45.12 | Bish | they're both qwerty xD |
| 12:45.23 | Bish | Dave: :D |
| 12:45.39 | Dave | Greetings! |
| 12:45.48 | Bish | i like the new keybaord, i was typing english texts very fast, but for german sms'es its bullshit |
| 12:45.51 | Bish | and i cant even change it to the old one |
| 12:45.59 | Dave | :\ |
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| 12:46.03 | Dave | old german? |
| 12:46.10 | Dave | Hoooooooooooi Zorkman :D |
| 12:46.10 | Bish | theres a wordlist in /usr/share/dict/ but its not the one the qtopia(stable asu) isnt workin |
| 12:46.20 | Bish | Dave: no, the old keybaord ( ASU-illume ) |
| 12:46.36 | Zorkman | llo everyone |
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| 12:47.04 | Bish | there will be noone who can tell me how to change the wordlist ,, uh ?xD |
| 12:47.27 | Zorkman | have you seend a pic of my 2008.8 corrupting the sd and causing it to boot into pure weirdness dave?: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ (first photo, id 1168) |
| 12:47.30 | Dave | someone, I'm sure |
| 12:47.40 | Dave | ;o |
| 12:47.59 | Dave | Zorkman, I heard about your plights of last night |
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| 12:48.54 | Zorkman | ah, flights you mean |
| 12:48.54 | Zorkman | yeah, lazy bunch :) |
| 12:49.14 | Dave | Holy shit, is THAT what 2008.8 looks like!? |
| 12:49.24 | Dave | and no, plights :p |
| 12:49.30 | Zorkman | nope, that is what enlightenment looks like |
| 12:49.44 | Zorkman | my sd card got corrupted (i boot from SD) |
| 12:49.45 | Dave | Ohhhh |
| 12:49.47 | Dave | :( |
| 12:49.49 | Zorkman | and it booted into this :) |
| 12:49.59 | Zorkman | it even got virtual dekstops |
| 12:50.07 | Dave | yeah I heard you bitching about enlightenment this morning |
| 12:50.21 | Dave | yeah, it looks pretty spiffy |
| 12:50.28 | Dave | but does it run like shit? :D |
| 12:50.28 | raster | Zorkman: u flashed onto nand? |
| 12:50.42 | Dave | It's raster! |
| 12:50.49 | raster | i deny that! |
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| 12:51.03 | Zorkman | raster: not yet, because i like my 2007.2 in NAND, but later tonight i will btry to back-up nand to SD card, and install it on 2008.8 |
| 12:51.21 | raster | :) |
| 12:51.27 | Zorkman | but not sure if i want 2008.8 at this moment... suspend still breaks resume, and a lot less works than in 2007.2 |
| 12:52.18 | matholio | hey, can anyone tell me where I can get mdbus util ? |
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| 12:53.29 | Dave | Raster, I hear your keyboard is teh shit. |
| 12:53.32 | Dave | Where do I sign up? :) |
| 12:53.39 | raster | Dave: HAHAHHAHAAH |
| 12:53.46 | Zorkman | it's the bee's knees |
| 12:53.46 | raster | well theres a wiki page detailking how to swizzle |
| 12:53.53 | raster | frankly that is not how i intended it ro planned it |
| 12:54.13 | raster | if asu had used the config the way iplanned u'd alreayd have the ui availabelt o switch kbd's |
| 12:54.14 | raster | :) |
| 12:54.36 | raster | i tend to plan many steps in advance and what u see is normally only a fraction of what is actually lurking |
| 12:54.42 | raster | i like it that way |
| 12:55.10 | raster | "ooh - you want THAT feature.. well no need for code. just turn option a on, then turn b off, then turn value c to 200, then disable d" |
| 12:55.11 | raster | bingo |
| 12:55.12 | raster | :) |
| 12:55.20 | raster | so it ends up just being magic config recipies |
| 12:55.21 | raster | :) |
| 12:55.38 | Dave | raster :) |
| 12:56.02 | Dave | scary |
| 12:56.06 | Dave | Mister Master Plan :P |
| 12:56.14 | raster | bah |
| 12:56.15 | Dave | rasterspiracy |
| 12:56.15 | raster | not scary |
| 12:56.18 | Dave | :P |
| 12:56.21 | Bish | god, there must be a way to change the.. keyboard worldist man |
| 12:56.21 | raster | its just thinking and generalising |
| 12:56.23 | raster | eg |
| 12:56.31 | Dave | just methodical magic by master raster? |
| 12:56.37 | Dave | with some mojo here and there? |
| 12:56.37 | raster | you could make an option to have some graphical item on th left, right, top or bottom |
| 12:56.38 | raster | but me |
| 12:56.45 | raster | i tend to turn it into a series of numbers |
| 12:56.53 | raster | left/right align |
| 12:56.55 | raster | top/bottom align |
| 12:57.02 | raster | hstretch with min and max size |
| 12:57.05 | raster | vstretch with min and max |
| 12:57.05 | Dave | right, that makes perfect sense |
| 12:57.07 | raster | etc. etc. |
| 12:57.18 | Dave | it'd look good and work functionally in any view |
| 12:57.18 | raster | so "pane,l on the left" |
| 12:57.19 | Bish | can anybody hear me, uh? |
| 12:57.27 | raster | is just a sequence of magic align/stretch min/max numbers |
| 12:57.31 | Dave | Bish, no, we don't understand your strange foreign language! |
| 12:57.31 | Zorkman | Bish, i can but i don't know the sollution |
| 12:57.31 | raster | etc. |
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| 12:57.49 | Bish | Dave: ..english? |
| 12:57.51 | Zorkman | maybe raster knows it :) |
| 12:57.51 | raster | that also extends then to "centered left, left, but fill the whole edge, bottom-left, onyl as big as it needs to be.." |
| 12:57.52 | raster | etc. |
| 12:57.55 | Dave | raster, so that must mean... your keyboard looks awesome in all orientations? :D |
| 12:58.01 | Dave | and works well too! |
| 12:58.04 | Bish | raster: could u help me :/? |
| 12:58.07 | raster | of course i agrtee |
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| 12:58.15 | Dave | agrees with raster |
| 12:58.16 | raster | u dont make all suche swizzle values fileds ina gui |
| 12:58.32 | raster | in a gui u proviode a basic mode that covers like 90% of what most people want as a stet of common options |
| 12:58.35 | raster | then u have an advanced mode |
| 12:58.42 | raster | where u get to swizzle all the little bits |
| 12:58.43 | Bish | raster: could u help me :/? |
| 12:58.47 | Bish | ahs orry,, |
| 12:58.47 | raster | if lots of config values scare u |
| 12:58.52 | raster | then dont look at the advanced "tab" :) |
| 12:59.03 | Dave | hah, okay :D |
| 12:59.09 | Dave | might be helpful though :) |
| 12:59.31 | raster | Dave: and yes - the kbd does work in both plandscape and portrait. it works ok - but if u dont like the layout.. its got .kbd files to define the layout |
| 12:59.32 | raster | :) |
| 12:59.34 | raster | Bish: with what? |
| 12:59.47 | Dave | plandscape? sounds like a hybrid mode :P |
| 12:59.55 | Bish | raster: the new qtopia keyboard in the first official ASU version |
| 12:59.58 | Dave | raster - that's nice! |
| 13:00.08 | Bish | raster: where is the wordlist located? |
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| 13:00.24 | Dave | Raster, I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. |
| 13:00.26 | Dave | :) |
| 13:00.37 | raster | Bish: no idea.. qtopia keyboard. at that point my knowledge/interest ceases behind the qtopia blob of c++ code :) |
| 13:01.05 | Bish | raster: would u tell me xD who included it in asu ? |
| 13:01.12 | Bish | nobody really nobody is able to tell me :d |
| 13:01.24 | Ainulindale | raster: when will you develop accelerated ASCII ? I'm trying to build a ncurses phonegui library just for fun, it could be great to have accelerated letters for that :-) |
| 13:01.45 | Dave | whee? |
| 13:01.58 | Bish | Ainulindale: ncurses telephony :D? |
| 13:02.12 | Ainulindale | Yeah I'm bored |
| 13:02.25 | Ainulindale | And I want to build some kind of proof of concept software for libframeworkd-glib |
| 13:02.48 | Bish | :D |
| 13:02.56 | raster | Bish: who decided to use the qtopia keyboard instead of some other one? |
| 13:03.20 | Bish | yeeees, or why aren't they using both, the old fashioned qwerty keyboard and qtopia |
| 13:03.21 | raster | Ainulindale: HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 13:03.30 | Dave | that's hot. |
| 13:03.45 | Bish | the new keyboard is great, but u cant use it in any other language than english |
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| 13:03.59 | Dave | awesome! |
| 13:04.02 | Dave | I like it already! |
| 13:04.10 | Dave | >:) |
| 13:04.19 | raster | hahaha |
| 13:04.23 | Ainulindale | raster: seriously I think it's fun to do :-) |
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| 13:04.28 | raster | u need to change the whole locale (*labgauge) |
| 13:04.33 | raster | no gui to do that i think |
| 13:04.42 | Bish | .. hm , no wordlist file? |
| 13:04.46 | Ainulindale | raster: and by the way, it should be cheap in term of power and so on :-) |
| 13:04.48 | raster | Ainulindale: how about... i stick to my pixels :) |
| 13:04.52 | Bish | ah i c .. |
| 13:04.54 | Ainulindale | raster: Yeah you should do that :-) |
| 13:04.56 | raster | and it wont make a difference |
| 13:05.01 | raster | as the screen is a bitmap anyway |
| 13:05.07 | raster | ncurses is just pixels anyway |
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| 13:05.17 | Ainulindale | But nice hot pixels |
| 13:05.21 | raster | Bish: the dictionary is the one for the locale |
| 13:05.23 | raster | if it exists at all |
| 13:05.35 | raster | so change whole system lang to french, dict should be too |
| 13:05.37 | raster | for example |
| 13:05.43 | Ainulindale | raster: though I just tried to make a demo app and it runs nicely and is quite responsive to touch, and quite readable on terminal |
| 13:05.47 | Bish | raster: .. i found a dict in /usr/share/dict/ |
| 13:05.50 | Ainulindale | With the keyboard popped up |
| 13:05.58 | Ainulindale | So I don't think it's as stupid as it looks |
| 13:05.59 | Bish | but even if i remove that folder, there is a wordlist, for the qtopia keyboard :D |
| 13:06.00 | raster | Bish: thats the system dict |
| 13:06.06 | raster | qtopia uses some speciakl .qtree file |
| 13:06.10 | raster | i dont know where it puts it |
| 13:06.12 | Bish | hm. |
| 13:06.15 | Bish | okay thanks |
| 13:06.18 | raster | illume uses standard unix dict files |
| 13:06.27 | Dave | Bah, I'm going to start mood then :P |
| 13:06.29 | raster | ie text file with words listed in sorted order |
| 13:06.39 | Bish | raster: am i able to switch back to the old qwerty? |
| 13:06.59 | raster | well there is some env var for qtopia to not display its kbd |
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| 13:07.06 | raster | if u can find the "wrench" icon |
| 13:07.08 | raster | and get that back |
| 13:07.14 | Dave | hah |
| 13:07.14 | raster | which i thnk for asu means changing theme |
| 13:07.24 | raster | tho really it wasnt meant to and thats an accidental hack |
| 13:07.32 | raster | in there theres a keyboard config dialog |
| 13:07.45 | raster | where u can select no kd (default - ie qtopia's does the job) |
| 13:07.54 | raster | or internal one (illume's own one that i wrote) |
| 13:08.12 | raster | or any external kbds (like matchobx multitap, or werety or any other kbd apps u install) |
| 13:08.13 | raster | caveat |
| 13:08.17 | raster | kbd apps need to:" |
| 13:08.30 | raster | 1. provide "Keyboard" in the Categories list in the .desktop file |
| 13:08.44 | Dave | one of them does! |
| 13:08.47 | raster | 2. they need to put some special properties on their window so illume will recognise it as a kbd window |
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| 13:09.13 | raster | mb kbd/multitap dont have such patches but illume has special code to recognise those specific ones |
| 13:09.16 | raster | just a hack |
| 13:09.30 | Dave | raster - preach it, baby! |
| 13:09.51 | raster | i intend to fork illume/e etc. off to have a "better ui" |
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| 13:10.00 | raster | with better default config/theme/etcv. |
| 13:10.14 | raster | i am actually adding a dictionary lookup back into illume's kbd |
| 13:10.22 | Dave | sounds sexy |
| 13:10.24 | raster | the way the kbd works it is of course not REQUIRED for all entry |
| 13:10.30 | raster | it depnds on the kbd layout file if its used |
| 13:10.43 | Dave | and the fact it will be optional and selectable by the user! |
| 13:10.44 | raster | and i need to add soem so layouts can hint at preffered dict language |
| 13:10.56 | raster | and i need to allow the user to hand-select their preferred dict |
| 13:10.58 | Bish | is the mokomakefile able to build 2008.8 ? |
| 13:11.01 | raster | i cant provide dicts for all languages |
| 13:11.04 | Dave | raster, yeah, that'd be nice |
| 13:11.07 | raster | but i can at least code it to be ABLE to do it |
| 13:11.08 | raster | :) |
| 13:11.12 | Dave | :D |
| 13:11.20 | raster | i'll let you users provide more dicts |
| 13:11.25 | raster | i can probably do some of them |
| 13:11.28 | raster | german, french etc. |
| 13:11.35 | VDVsx | raster: the illume keyboard don't show up if the app is in fullscreen mode ? |
| 13:11.36 | Dave | ugggh |
| 13:11.39 | Dave | french |
| 13:11.49 | raster | VDVsx: correct |
| 13:11.53 | raster | thats currently a gotcha |
| 13:11.58 | raster | actually no vkbd will |
| 13:12.03 | raster | as illume handles the kbd show/hide |
| 13:12.05 | Dave | oh shit |
| 13:12.12 | Dave | raster, is that a bug? |
| 13:12.14 | raster | its basically a semantic clash |
| 13:12.18 | Dave | yeah yeah |
| 13:12.19 | raster | well no |
| 13:12.24 | Dave | semantic clash is more like it :) |
| 13:12.25 | raster | its a difference of opinion |
| 13:12.26 | raster | ok |
| 13:12.27 | Dave | right |
| 13:12.30 | raster | app asks for fullscreen |
| 13:12.31 | raster | it gets it |
| 13:12.35 | Dave | the same is true in the other images so far |
| 13:12.39 | raster | but now i take AWAY some of the "fullscreen" |
| 13:12.41 | Dave | right so kbd appears behind it |
| 13:12.43 | raster | and slap a vkbd there |
| 13:12.47 | raster | app is no longer fullscreen |
| 13:12.48 | Dave | haha some of the "fullscreen" |
| 13:12.49 | Dave | geeze |
| 13:12.53 | raster | so i am not really honoring tis request |
| 13:12.56 | raster | ... |
| 13:12.57 | Dave | soon we'll be talking about fullscreenification. |
| 13:13.05 | raster | :) |
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| 13:13.16 | Dave | I wish scummvm had a vkbd that could popup... :\ |
| 13:13.24 | Dave | otherwise how will I ever save my progress! :P |
| 13:13.33 | raster | with fullscreen also uprobably want 2 vkbd modes |
| 13:13.41 | raster | one where fullscreen window is resized down to make room |
| 13:13.46 | raster | and another where vkbd is just layeres on top |
| 13:13.52 | Dave | yeah! |
| 13:13.59 | Dave | layering would be hot |
| 13:13.59 | raster | and app is informed of what bit of its window is obscured by the kbd to it can "account" for it |
| 13:14.01 | VDVsx | raster: but in Om 2008.08 I can pop up the keyboard in fullscreen mode,and in some FSO old images |
| 13:14.20 | raster | VDVsx: that shouldnt be the case |
| 13:14.30 | VDVsx | raster, yap layerring happens here |
| 13:14.38 | Dave | in 2007.2 when you force the keyboard onto the display, it appears behind the fullscreen app, making it unusable for input :[ |
| 13:14.44 | VDVsx | raster, if the app go fullscreen |
| 13:14.48 | Dave | and I can't seem to emulate keystrokes into X :\ |
| 13:14.49 | raster | but i am not runing 2008.8 |
| 13:14.52 | raster | i am runign the dev branch |
| 13:15.06 | VDVsx | raster, yap this is newer |
| 13:15.46 | VDVsx | raster, and what is your idea for the final keyboard, allow layering and resizing of just resizing ? |
| 13:16.01 | raster | VDVsx: chances are i need to allow for both |
| 13:16.07 | raster | and let the app hint at whihc it prefers |
| 13:16.23 | raster | also in fullscreen mode i think i may need to allow for dragging the kbd to another spot |
| 13:16.24 | VDVsx | raster, nice :) |
| 13:16.28 | raster | eg slidt it to the top of the screen |
| 13:16.30 | raster | instead of bottom |
| 13:16.31 | raster | etc. |
| 13:16.39 | raster | right now fullscreen + vkbd dont get along |
| 13:16.45 | raster | i know it |
| 13:16.50 | raster | so i dont consider it a bugt |
| 13:16.53 | raster | i've know about it |
| 13:17.08 | raster | its more of a "somethng i need to address but have yet to decide on the right approach" |
| 13:18.09 | VDVsx | raster, I think the default option should be, resizing because of the entry fields, but if some option the app can also request layering |
| 13:18.10 | raster | hmm |
| 13:18.37 | Dave | So ASU is becoming less crappy? |
| 13:18.39 | raster | maybe its also to do with layering |
| 13:18.47 | raster | i know when i do fullscrene i also ask to be on top |
| 13:18.52 | raster | not all apps do that |
| 13:19.16 | Dave | I want to be on top! :D |
| 13:20.50 | VDVsx | raster, but if you have a screen with entry fields at the bottom and you layer the keyboard in that screen, those fields will be invisible's right ? |
| 13:20.55 | raster | hjmm |
| 13:20.56 | raster | ok i dont |
| 13:20.59 | raster | thats separate hints |
| 13:21.11 | raster | VDVsx: correct |
| 13:21.16 | Dave | proclaims raster the Keyboard King! |
| 13:21.18 | raster | that is why i see the need to have both mechanisms |
| 13:21.20 | raster | a resize |
| 13:21.31 | Bish | raster: , am i able to switch back to the illume keyboard? |
| 13:21.35 | raster | as WELL as a way of informing the app that it is obscured |
| 13:21.41 | raster | depending on what the app prefers |
| 13:21.53 | raster | Bish: yes- the internal keyboard is illume's |
| 13:22.13 | Bish | raster: ... and how , i dont get it |
| 13:22.15 | Bish | im sorry |
| 13:22.29 | VDVsx | raster, sounds like a very good plan for me :) |
| 13:22.29 | raster | Bish: what u are using and what i have coded are different |
| 13:22.38 | raster | i THINK if u install illume-config package |
| 13:22.43 | raster | u will get a different theme |
| 13:22.51 | raster | and the spanner config icon will be accessible |
| 13:22.57 | raster | VDVsx: so dont worry |
| 13:22.59 | raster | i know about it |
| 13:23.06 | raster | i just need to decide on my course of action |
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| 13:23.19 | Dave | skins! |
| 13:23.22 | raster | most bugts people find dont escape my attention long before the bug is found |
| 13:23.24 | raster | or the issue |
| 13:23.28 | si-m1 | yeah, the spanner appears if you install it |
| 13:23.30 | raster | i tend to know about most |
| 13:23.34 | raster | i just have not fixed them yet |
| 13:23.40 | raster | or have not an adequate solution at hand |
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| 13:24.16 | Bish | raster: yes a different theme, but i sitll have the qtopia keyboard |
| 13:25.32 | raster | Bish: spanner icon - > Keyboards |
| 13:25.37 | raster | u can enable the intenral keyboard |
| 13:25.47 | raster | that alays takes preference over any external one |
| 13:25.55 | raster | even if the external one is there and running with a window |
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| 13:26.16 | xt | Bish: there's info on how to change on the wiki |
| 13:26.23 | xt | if I'm allowed to speak to you know |
| 13:26.25 | Dave | barely |
| 13:26.27 | Dave | xt :P |
| 13:26.33 | xt | *now |
| 13:27.12 | Bish | xt: oh cool thanks.. what do i have to search :P |
| 13:27.20 | xt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Keyboard |
| 13:27.31 | Dave | hvordan går det? |
| 13:27.34 | Bish | but i really like that keyboard, i just want another .. wordlist :p |
| 13:27.37 | xt | all the way at the bottom "Using the Full Qwerty keyboard" |
| 13:27.47 | xt | Dave: bra |
| 13:27.52 | Dave | :] |
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| 13:28.25 | Bish | is the mokomakefile able to build 2008.8 ? |
| 13:29.56 | Dave | hahaha http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/1f001f29d230b42fa6fefeca472a056c.png |
| 13:30.34 | kd8ikt | thats my wallpaper dave |
| 13:30.45 | kd8ikt | Cincinnati bell wireless |
| 13:30.56 | Dave | hah, oh really? :) |
| 13:31.02 | kd8ikt | yes |
| 13:31.14 | kd8ikt | want a copy? |
| 13:31.29 | Dave | haha, awesome |
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| 13:31.50 | Dave | damn, there's so many asu whores :| |
| 13:32.06 | kd8ikt | http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/wallpaper.png |
| 13:32.10 | xt | what's an "ASU whore" |
| 13:32.12 | ronny | hmm, why the heck did they have to kill the old ui :/ |
| 13:32.19 | Dave | oh ahaahhahahahaahaha |
| 13:32.27 | ronny | imho the old ui is far better than asu |
| 13:32.29 | Dave | kd8ikt: you did steal that nasa/nsa image afterall haahha |
| 13:32.36 | Dave | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/bc382518637f884336d4464907ac02f3.png |
| 13:32.43 | Dave | nice! :D |
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| 13:32.56 | pooze | Could anyone please guide me to a proper install-guide for building/running the most recent image (I guess the ASU 2008.8) on host? Either compiled as x86 or running prebuilt binaries on qemu? I have seen several guides on the wiki-page. Which one to follow? Which is the easier way? |
| 13:33.14 | pooze | I see qemu doesn't really support gta02, is that still the case? Can it run the prebuilt binaries anyway somehow? |
| 13:33.28 | ike | Dave: awful wallpaper! |
| 13:33.28 | Dave | So pidgin runs on gtk? o.O |
| 13:33.37 | Dave | ike haha, well, I didn't make it :D |
| 13:33.37 | xt | Dave: yes |
| 13:33.40 | Dave | shit |
| 13:33.46 | ronny | oO |
| 13:33.47 | Dave | I wish I had the space to install it! |
| 13:33.48 | Dave | :P |
| 13:34.09 | kd8ikt | actually dave thats not nasa thats NAVSTAR The Global Positioning Systems Wing USAirforce |
| 13:34.15 | ike | pidgin rocks! I've even chatted on IRC via FreeRunner. |
| 13:34.38 | Dave | Ah :P |
| 13:34.43 | ronny | hmm, i hate pidgin |
| 13:34.46 | Dave | haha |
| 13:35.06 | ronny | cant do xmpp well enough |
| 13:35.19 | ike | Really? |
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| 13:35.24 | Dave | it can't? |
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| 13:35.36 | kd8ikt | i also use that sheild as my agpsui icon |
| 13:35.37 | ike | Well it works well enough for me. |
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| 13:35.38 | kd8ikt | dave |
| 13:35.39 | Dave | then why is there libpurple-protocol-xmpp? |
| 13:35.47 | Dave | kd8ikt, ah! |
| 13:35.49 | Dave | :] |
| 13:36.00 | ike | Dave: as a placeholder prolly. |
| 13:36.03 | Dave | yeah recently I've been going about and replacing fixme icons with cool appropriate icons :) |
| 13:36.14 | kd8ikt | http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/agpsui_0.1_armv4t.ipk <-- i think its in my agpsui pkgz i made |
| 13:36.16 | Dave | ike looks like :( |
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| 13:36.27 | ronny | Dave: barely works != propper xmpp |
| 13:36.57 | ike | ronny: it doesn't "barely works". It works just fine. What doesn't work in pidgin? |
| 13:37.05 | Dave | haha :D |
| 13:37.05 | ike | I know it's not so complete as Psi... |
| 13:37.37 | Dave | although admittedly msn barely works in pidgin |
| 13:37.38 | ronny | ike: serverside transports ? |
| 13:37.53 | Dave | however, it only works half the time in Windows(R) Live(R) Messenger(tm) |
| 13:37.54 | Dave | :P |
| 13:37.59 | ronny | these days im using a good jabber client, anything else is managed on the server |
| 13:38.30 | ronny | i think clientside multiprotocol is bad shit thats supposed to die |
| 13:38.44 | pooze | I'd like to install / run the latest software on host. what seems to be the easiest way to go about? |
| 13:39.07 | ronny | xmpp + transports is superior in terms of implementation and design |
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| 13:39.54 | ike | ronny: you're able to use such transports in pidgin. |
| 13:40.01 | ike | You're unable to configure them though. |
| 13:40.02 | ike | ;P |
| 13:40.39 | Dave | ooh la la, well, aren't WE all high and mighty :P |
| 13:40.48 | ike | However I thought this was fixed recently. |
| 13:40.52 | ronny | ike: sounds like gosh you are able to breath, but lets ducttape your mouth just to be sure you still die |
| 13:40.55 | ike | Dave: are WE? |
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| 13:41.10 | Dave | :O |
| 13:41.12 | Dave | moidah! |
| 13:41.24 | kd8ikt | dave http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAVSTAR |
| 13:41.26 | ronny | well, personally i hope clientside multiprotocol will die off the next few years |
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| 13:43.38 | Dave | ronny, in your opinion, which are the biggest offenders? :P |
| 13:45.10 | ronny | Dave: well, i dont see any point in having tonns of im clients around that implement 20 crappy shit protocols cause some providers wanted to play nih) just have those one be a jabber transport and be done |
| 13:45.40 | Dave | nih) ? |
| 13:46.05 | Dave | Though I agree with your sentiments. |
| 13:46.07 | ronny | nih = not inventd here = the antipatter of people that like to reinvent things that are good, just with whorse results |
| 13:46.23 | Dave | haha, yes |
| 13:46.24 | kd8ikt | whorseu_zero@gentoo/developer/lu-zero] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] |
| 13:46.30 | Bish | fuck. |
| 13:46.41 | Dave | It's a pitty though that some of those are backed by big bucks. |
| 13:46.53 | Dave | So they're not likely to pitter off soon. |
| 13:47.16 | Dave | kd8ikt: loser gentoo developer ricer whores!? |
| 13:47.21 | Dave | What else is new, here :P |
| 13:47.24 | ronny | yup, so jabber transports are a perfectly fine solution to handle it at a common place |
| 13:47.27 | Dave | Sup Lorez |
| 13:47.50 | Dave | roony, sure, just convert all the unbelievers first! |
| 13:47.51 | Dave | :) |
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| 13:49.33 | ronny | Dave: thats easy, simply dont support clientsude multiproticol in new products and tell them how to do better |
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| 13:50.03 | Dave | Let's be friends :) |
| 13:52.39 | pooze | nobody knows how to run ASU on host? |
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| 14:02.37 | DieMumie1 | hi ronny |
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| 14:07.24 | Torikun | how is 20080811? |
| 14:07.52 | XorA | rainy |
| 14:08.50 | Dave | Yes |
| 14:08.51 | Dave | :) |
| 14:09.18 | Dave | Fucking storm :P |
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| 14:13.31 | Bish | Torikun: :D |
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| 14:13.50 | Dave | Torikun :o |
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| 14:15.32 | confidential1 | ehh, why do I suddenly not have a usb0 interface at all on 2008.8...:S |
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| 14:16.57 | Kev_ | hi, I've got some problems with the lint-wifi ipk on OM 2008.8, First I tried the old rc1 version but this failed because of the pygtk deps, later on I tried to install the new 0.1 version but this fails, because opkg thinks rc1 is newer and it will prefer it, it seems that it is in a kind of cache but couldn't find the rc1 package so install fails again... |
| 14:18.23 | si-m1 | you could install the pygtk-package from the angstrom-repos |
| 14:18.59 | Torikun | Hey Bish |
| 14:19.06 | Dave | :) |
| 14:19.07 | Torikun | Hey Dave |
| 14:19.14 | Torikun | whats up |
| 14:19.21 | Torikun | Extracinting 20080811 now |
| 14:19.24 | Kev_ | i have pygtk allready installed, but: opkg install lint-wifi_0.1_armv4t.ipk |
| 14:19.24 | Kev_ | Multiple packages (lint-wifi and lint-wifi) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. |
| 14:19.26 | Kev_ | Installing lint-wifi (rc1) to root... |
| 14:19.28 | Kev_ | Collected errors: |
| 14:19.28 | Torikun | I missed a lot of phone calls this weeken |
| 14:19.30 | Kev_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.32 | Dave | hah |
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| 14:20.23 | Kev_ | how can I delete lint-wifi rc1 from cache? |
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| 14:21.46 | Zorkman | Kev_: maybe you can try opkg flag hold |
| 14:22.51 | kd8ikt | nicve kev hey could you paste that again i think i missed that |
| 14:23.02 | Kev_ | hm, Zorkman, do you mean something like this:opkg flag hold lint-wifi |
| 14:23.02 | Kev_ | Collected errors: |
| 14:23.02 | Kev_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.18 | kd8ikt | opkg remove lint-wifi |
| 14:23.43 | Kev_ | lint-wifi isn't installed: opkg remove lint-wifi |
| 14:23.43 | Kev_ | No packages removed. |
| 14:23.50 | ronny | hmm |
| 14:24.10 | ronny | i wonder if openmoko will actually manage to get its act together |
| 14:24.16 | TAsn | can someone who speaks french tell me if i order today from bearstech, when will i get it? |
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| 14:24.51 | Zorkman | TAsn: i speak french |
| 14:25.09 | Zorkman | but you can mail the two people from bearstec (sara aguiton and lucas bonnet if i recall correctly) |
| 14:25.13 | Zorkman | they both speak english |
| 14:25.14 | Ainulindale | Yep that's them |
| 14:25.22 | Ainulindale | I'll ask him he's on freenode |
| 14:25.22 | TAsn | i c. i will. |
| 14:25.24 | Zorkman | I have ordered my FR there |
| 14:25.24 | Kev_ | for opkg rc1 seems newer than version 0.1 (because of versioning), so it don't want to install 0.1, but rc1 fails, too because it wants to overwrite a lot of files that already there |
| 14:25.35 | TAsn | Zorkman, do they have in stock |
| 14:25.36 | TAsn | ? |
| 14:25.40 | Ainulindale | TAsn: no |
| 14:25.46 | TAsn | i see. |
| 14:25.47 | Ainulindale | TAsn: shipping is in progress though |
| 14:25.57 | Ainulindale | It was delayed on the OM side |
| 14:26.06 | TAsn | also to the us website? |
| 14:26.15 | Ainulindale | What ? |
| 14:26.17 | TAsn | i prefer buying there... |
| 14:26.23 | TAsn | Ainulindale, OM store that is. |
| 14:26.26 | Torikun | Why doest he phone not charge in standby? |
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| 14:26.49 | Bish | Torikun: because its in standby |
| 14:26.49 | Zorkman | TAsn: where do you live? |
| 14:26.55 | TAsn | Zorkman, middle east |
| 14:27.09 | Torikun | I do not like having the phone on to charge |
| 14:27.30 | Ainulindale | TAsn: Israel IIRC ? |
| 14:27.35 | TAsn | indeed. |
| 14:28.02 | confidential1 | my usb0 interface is gone on 2008.8, what can I do to fix that? |
| 14:28.02 | TAsn | i have relatives in the us, france and england |
| 14:28.08 | TAsn | so all are good |
| 14:28.10 | Zero_Dogg | can the input method in the qtopia image be changed to one more similar to the one in the 2007.2 gtk image? The keyboard it provides right now isn't usable with fingers |
| 14:28.21 | TAsn | us is the cheapest so i prefer ordering from there.p |
| 14:28.22 | Torikun | confidential1: unpolug the cable and instert it again |
| 14:28.35 | Torikun | confidential1: they have 20080811 now |
| 14:29.49 | confidential1 | Torikun: I have tried unplugging and inserting again. Also, isn't om2008.8 the distribution name tho? |
| 14:29.55 | TAsn | Ainulindale, damn i need some inside info about shipping to stores. ;0 |
| 14:30.02 | Torikun | confidential1: they have daily builds |
| 14:30.06 | Ainulindale | I asked bearstech, TAsn |
| 14:30.17 | Ainulindale | I'll see what they'll say |
| 14:30.25 | Torikun | confidential1: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/ |
| 14:30.25 | TAsn | Ainulindale, thanks. |
| 14:30.37 | TAsn | damn waiting makes me ill. |
| 14:31.08 | Ainulindale | TAsn: "3rd week of August is our current estimate |
| 14:31.09 | Ainulindale | " |
| 14:31.19 | TAsn | Ainulindale, same as truebox |
| 14:31.20 | TAsn | i c. |
| 14:32.21 | Torikun | Lots of updates for 20080811 |
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| 14:33.46 | Torikun | who was having python-gtk package issues? |
| 14:33.54 | Torikun | I got a solution |
| 14:34.10 | Kev_ | me |
| 14:34.12 | Torikun | The repo: src/gz base http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/ has it |
| 14:34.16 | Torikun | I use that Ke |
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| 14:34.37 | Kev_ | yes, but pygtk isn't the problem, the problem is lint-wifi |
| 14:34.49 | Torikun | what is the error? |
| 14:35.10 | Torikun | opkg -force-overwrite -force-reinstall package name (I did that when I had issues before) |
| 14:35.15 | Kev_ | rc1 version has a problem because of wrong dependencies, the newer version 0.1 has this fixed, but I can't install 0.1 because opkg wants to install rc2 |
| 14:35.21 | Kev_ | eh I mean rc1 |
| 14:35.43 | Torikun | Kev_: The 200808.8 and up have built in wifi scanners |
| 14:35.52 | Torikun | I found that Mofi works better than lint |
| 14:35.57 | Torikun | and installs easier |
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| 14:36.16 | Kev_ | hm, you mean that one in settings? |
| 14:37.00 | Torikun | Yes |
| 14:37.20 | Kev_ | It has never found anything on my freerunner... |
| 14:37.25 | Torikun | Weird |
| 14:37.40 | Kev_ | and in 2007.2 I used lint-wifi and it worked quite well |
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| 14:38.36 | Kev_ | and I also tried to install mofi, but that didn't start |
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| 14:39.38 | Kev_ | mofi crashs on starting, and the log file contains no output |
| 14:40.12 | Torikun | I suggest updating to the newest image |
| 14:40.14 | Torikun | starting fresh |
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| 14:40.40 | Kev_ | reflashing? what image? |
| 14:41.06 | Torikun | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080811/ |
| 14:41.11 | Kev_ | ah and when I click on stettings -> wifi, there is only "unknown" |
| 14:41.20 | Torikun | usually a reboot will fix that |
| 14:41.30 | Kev_ | no, trief already often :) |
| 14:41.34 | Kev_ | tried^ |
| 14:41.43 | Torikun | Kev_: SInce no firmware is really useable, i suggest always staying up2date |
| 14:42.26 | Kev_ | yes, thats always the way I go, but I thought opkg update and opkg upgrade does it...? |
| 14:42.31 | Torikun | Nopre |
| 14:42.43 | Torikun | if you look at the repo files, you will see it is only for your firmware |
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| 14:43.04 | Kev_ | hm |
| 14:43.15 | Kev_ | so no updates like in 2..7.2? |
| 14:43.22 | Torikun | that is hella old |
| 14:43.24 | Torikun | not supported |
| 14:43.41 | Kev_ | no, i mean the devel image... with latest update |
| 14:43.49 | Kev_ | with 2007.2 I mean the distribution |
| 14:43.56 | Torikun | I do not think so, we are on 2008 now |
| 14:43.59 | Kev_ | the orange one, you now... |
| 14:44.13 | Torikun | there was a upgrade to the gtk one on 200808 |
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| 14:45.11 | GoldenHawk | Is there anything I have to do to turn on the accelerometers? I'm trying the python test program from here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval but I'm not getting any output. |
| 14:45.31 | Kev_ | ok |
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| 14:46.04 | Kev_ | i will try the 20080811 qtopia-x11 image later on |
| 14:46.07 | Kev_ | thanks |
| 14:46.24 | Torikun | np |
| 14:46.41 | Torikun | Kev_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories |
| 14:46.47 | Torikun | Important for additional packages |
| 14:46.52 | Torikun | save that link |
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| 14:47.27 | GoldenHawk | Can someone else try the python program here and tell me if they see accelerometer output? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval ? |
| 14:47.46 | Kev_ | ok |
| 14:47.48 | Kev_ | saved |
| 14:47.50 | GoldenHawk | I think cat /dev/input/event2 might show something too if it's working properly. |
| 14:47.57 | GoldenHawk | Mine gets nothing. |
| 14:48.03 | Kev_ | now I have to go for coffe & cake, bye :) |
| 14:50.55 | Sup3rkiddo | GoldenHawk, how about event3? thats accel as well |
| 14:51.26 | GoldenHawk | I tried catting it, and got no output. Do you get output when you cat it? Hold on, trying it with the test script. |
| 14:51.50 | GoldenHawk | Nothing from either of them. |
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| 14:54.44 | Torikun | anyone using 20080811 |
| 14:55.06 | Bish | Torikun: .. man why the fuck arent u flashing it |
| 14:55.15 | Torikun | I am lol |
| 14:55.20 | Torikun | I jus got done flashing |
| 14:55.21 | Bish | ah i c:P |
| 14:55.33 | Bish | where did u get it.. ? mokomakefile? |
| 14:55.57 | Torikun | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/ |
| 14:56.06 | kd8ikt | i snuck in a lil accelrandr.py script in that lint-wifi pkg |
| 14:56.24 | Bish | so... the qtopia image is now ASU |
| 14:56.31 | Bish | no its not.. fuck |
| 14:56.41 | Bish | the.. "GTK" image is now asu xD |
| 14:56.43 | kd8ikt | it swaps display output <landscape,portrait> using the accellerometer |
| 14:56.45 | Bish | and qtopia is waht? |
| 14:56.46 | Torikun | asu - gtk _\+qtopia |
| 14:56.57 | Torikun | qtopia + gtk = asu |
| 14:57.30 | Bish | ah i c |
| 14:57.41 | Bish | and qtopia + gtk = asu = devel image |
| 14:57.56 | Sup3rkiddo | GoldenHawk, don't cat it, use hexdump....you won't scramble your term that way (just a suggestion) |
| 14:57.57 | Bish | and branch asu.stable in mokomakefile? |
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| 14:58.54 | GoldenHawk | Sup3rkiddo: Okay. It didn't scramble my term anyway though, because it gave me no output at all. :( |
| 14:59.38 | Sup3rkiddo | GoldenHawk, ah,,right :), try flashing a newer uimage then..there were some issues with the accels a couple of weeks back |
| 14:59.54 | GoldenHawk | sup3rkiddo: Okay thanks ^.^ |
| 15:01.32 | GoldenHawk | So.. where's the best place to get a new uImage anyway? |
| 15:01.43 | GoldenHawk | I'm getting confused by all the different download locations and feeds and stuff @.@ |
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| 15:08.17 | confidential1 | the openmoko jffs2 files in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/ , are they daily builds of om2008.8 ? |
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| 15:10.48 | XorA | confidential1: look at topic |
| 15:10.55 | summatusmentis | Is there a developer program similar to the olpc project? Where someone could submit a development proposal, and be sent hardware? |
| 15:11.07 | summatusmentis | or is the only way to get hardware through purchase? |
| 15:11.25 | XorA | summatusmentis: nothing official at the moment AFAIK |
| 15:11.59 | summatusmentis | XorA: oh, ok. I've been uber busy with SoC, but hopefully once school starts again I'll be able to get back into the OM world |
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| 15:13.57 | Torikun | 20080811 is working great! |
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| 15:14.51 | Zorkman | is there a big difference with 2008.8 Torikun? |
| 15:15.06 | Torikun | stable so far |
| 15:15.56 | Zorkman | 2008.8 was also stable for me... only that audio broke when comming out of suspend |
| 15:16.11 | Zorkman | (and that my sd card from where i booted it got corrupted..- |
| 15:16.11 | confidential1 | what is the difference between 2008.8 and 20080811? |
| 15:17.08 | Zorkman | before i had a FR i saw almost daily revieuws of images (by kevin dean??) and there always was a recommended one.. |
| 15:17.14 | Zorkman | too bad nobody's doing that now |
| 15:19.05 | XorA | confidential1: one is official release, other is random stuff from a different branch |
| 15:20.14 | Zorkman | XorA: you don't by any chanse have some "inside" information about the status of the GSM audio problems? |
| 15:20.26 | XorA | Zorkman: no, I didnt know there were any |
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| 15:20.37 | summatusmentis | zhone looks pretty |
| 15:21.25 | Zorkman | Xora, min are minor: when i speak, the other person gets an annoying buzzing sound. the volume of my voice is also rather low, and whe nincreasing the other person gets an echo |
| 15:21.53 | Zorkman | other persons have more serious issues that make making a phonecall impsibble or hell to go through (mostly for the person on the other side) |
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| 15:27.39 | XorA | Zorkman: oh those, still under investigation |
| 15:27.46 | Dave | Who, what now? |
| 15:28.02 | Dave | What sort of evil things are we up to now? >:) |
| 15:28.08 | Dave | eyes Xora suspiciously |
| 15:29.32 | zogs | did you know where find openmoko 07/22? |
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| 15:32.16 | Sargun | should I get serial console |
| 15:32.20 | Sargun | if I plug in my debug board |
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| 15:34.27 | pjz | SDHC for cheat at dealhack: http://www.dealhack.com/archives/2008/08/4gb_sdhc_card_14_shipped_8gb_2.html |
| 15:35.15 | pjz | ack, sorry, that's SD. micro SD are http://www.dealhack.com/archives/2008/08/sandisk_4gb_microsdhc_for_20_8.html |
| 15:37.28 | Sargun | Any idea what's coming out of /dev/ttyUSB4? |
| 15:37.45 | Sargun | (On the debug board) |
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| 15:42.17 | GoldenHawk | Sup3rkiddo: Tried this one: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080810/uImage-2.6.24+git32+2438a8c74c495c95f5b78301a44ed8e8d0b267d5-r2-om-gta02.bin .. Still didn't work :( I do hexdump /dev/input/event3 and I get nothing. I'm supposed to see stuff when I do that right? The test script from the wiki still doesn't work. |
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| 15:43.09 | kd8ikt | kill neod |
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| 15:51.22 | mohbana | hi |
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| 16:01.09 | mohbana | hello |
| 16:03.38 | Sargun | How do I read the NAND with OpenOCD? |
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| 16:10.38 | peeps[work] | can anyone confirm this bug, and help me convince raster that something is actually broken here. https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1804 I think he misunderstood me somewhat. I have a hunch that the threshold is not being checked correctly. items seems to be activate even when scrolling past his supposed 24 px threshold. |
| 16:11.27 | peeps[work] | my hunch is that since the menu moves along with the stylus, it is reporting no movement for this threshold |
| 16:12.24 | Sargun | Anybody know how to use OpenOCD to boot a minimal image? |
| 16:12.52 | Sargun | Anybody know how to use OpenOCD to boot a minimal image? So I can poke around NAND. Alternatively, is there a way to read the NAND memory? |
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| 16:13.04 | Sargun | and/or manipulate it? |
| 16:13.13 | Dave | Hrmmm |
| 16:13.31 | peeps[work] | only when the end of the menu is reached, and the stylus moves away from its initial position on the menu, does it not register a click |
| 16:14.15 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r572ab3d833b3 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.vapi input.vala): Rename a helper function for clarity |
| 16:14.16 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r1a075f819936 10/odeviced/src/daemon/plugin.vala: Add a debug message |
| 16:14.16 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r1979d9124c08 10/odeviced/src/plugins/idlenotifier/ (4 files): |
| 16:14.18 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Move the IOFunc callback to C |
| 16:14.19 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=546898 |
| 16:14.21 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) TODO: make the timeouts asynchronous |
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| 16:18.08 | mohbana | hello |
| 16:18.10 | mohbana | anyone here? |
| 16:18.20 | spydon | just 403 |
| 16:18.24 | mohbana | right |
| 16:18.35 | mohbana | so what's the difference between andriod and openmoko? |
| 16:18.42 | SpeedEvil | android is evil. |
| 16:18.47 | SpeedEvil | Openmoko is good. |
| 16:19.21 | SpeedEvil | Seriously. With android, you don't get access to the hardware, only mediated through the software. |
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| 16:19.27 | SpeedEvil | and only java. |
| 16:19.56 | spydon | and they favorize some developers and are not completely open |
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| 16:20.45 | Sup3rkiddo | (and Freerunner is out already) |
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| 16:21.14 | SpeedEvil | Sup3rkiddo: it's really not - as user-ready phone. |
| 16:21.37 | Sup3rkiddo | but sshing is still uber cool |
| 16:21.54 | kd8ikt | wtf |
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| 16:23.11 | Dave | :) |
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| 16:23.31 | spydon | kd8ikt?? :P |
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| 16:33.57 | mmontour | Sargun: I don't know how to access NAND directly from OpenOCD. U-boot has "nand read" and "nand write" commands, and you can transfer data to/from RAM over JTAG. |
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| 16:35.43 | Dave | Montour :) |
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| 16:53.47 | erwin_ | I'm flashing to the ASU. Do I need to flash the boot loader to the NAND ? |
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| 17:02.04 | Sargun | Hm, if I don't plug my device into the wall charger it shuts down on boot, any ideas? |
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| 17:11.47 | mmu_man | tiens, une news DLFP http://linuxfr.org/2008/08/11/24377.html |
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| 17:13.13 | kdubois | is it safe to pick an image to develop for yet? |
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| 17:19.48 | cga | mmontour, hi =) |
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| 17:21.21 | mmu_man | hmm didn't the freerunner have a *vga* screen ? :) |
| 17:22.12 | bipak_ | hu |
| 17:22.16 | peter-b | mine does |
| 17:23.07 | mmu_man | so ditch cga then! |
| 17:23.08 | mmu_man | :D |
| 17:23.24 | mmu_man | or change nick ;) |
| 17:23.25 | Torikun | I am using 20080811, How can I upgrade to new daily builds by using opkg instead of reflashing? |
| 17:23.28 | cga | gh! |
| 17:24.40 | peter-b | Torikum: i guess you tried opkg update && opkg upgrade ? |
| 17:24.53 | Torikun | that will not upgrade releases |
| 17:25.23 | Torikun | I think the multiverse repo will do what I want |
| 17:25.37 | Torikun | the time stamp seems up2date |
| 17:26.12 | bipak_ | can you use the freerunnner in a daily routine now? or is it still to buggy? |
| 17:26.38 | Torikun | bipak_: I am |
| 17:26.50 | Torikun | the 2008-08-11 seems the most stable |
| 17:26.50 | bipak_ | cool :) |
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| 17:27.03 | bipak_ | so you have no other phone, just the freerunner |
| 17:27.05 | bipak_ | and it works? |
| 17:27.05 | bipak_ | :> |
| 17:27.06 | Torikun | Yes |
| 17:27.13 | Torikun | I misses a lot of calls this weekend |
| 17:27.22 | Torikun | Hopefully the latest image is good |
| 17:27.27 | bipak_ | oh ok |
| 17:27.29 | Torikun | It seems to be running better so far today |
| 17:27.46 | Torikun | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080811/ |
| 17:28.30 | bipak_ | so you can see if a call doesn't reach you? |
| 17:28.35 | Torikun | Yes |
| 17:28.40 | Torikun | That worked good this morning actually |
| 17:28.47 | Torikun | I was suprised |
| 17:28.50 | bipak_ | :D |
| 17:29.19 | bipak_ | almost software issues i think... |
| 17:30.27 | Torikun | I just sent a message about it on the mailing list |
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| 17:31.30 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb1ee7a63d5b0 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-theme_svn.bb: [illume] Remove the leftover from the stable release |
| 17:31.30 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r116b007f0a05 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Xglamo with Chris Ball's xrandr patch |
| 17:31.31 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r629c9cfbeabc 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia with various GSM stability fixes |
| 17:32.32 | bipak_ | great.. daily rootfs |
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| 17:36.51 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r5d2f7fb0cb10 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Add illume-config theme to ASU-feed |
| 17:36.52 | Laibsch | Does the Neo handle any micro-SD card well or should I look for something in particular? SDHC? |
| 17:36.52 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * re36a542350c9 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-settings] Bump up the reversion of om-settings to 67 |
| 17:38.09 | Laibsch | I've just received the answer to my question in another channel. The Neo seems to be rather forgiving. |
| 17:39.36 | alphaone | Laibsch: It should |
| 17:39.52 | alphaone | Though u-boot will be pickier than the kernel itself. |
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| 17:40.02 | mmontour | hi cga |
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| 17:40.48 | Dave | Hello! |
| 17:45.09 | mmontour | Hi Dave. Any progress on your PMU/charger issues? |
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| 17:57.26 | spydon | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/2008.8 - the Headlines is in some weird language :S |
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| 17:58.51 | spydon | how do I roll it back to an earlier version? |
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| 18:00.53 | balanceofcowards | Hi everyone |
| 18:01.17 | ike | Hello. |
| 18:01.27 | balanceofcowards | Can anyone help me to get going with Qtopia on Qemu? |
| 18:01.47 | ike | spydon: it's russian. |
| 18:01.50 | ike | I believe. |
| 18:02.00 | spydon | right... :P |
| 18:02.03 | balanceofcowards | The image seems to start up just fine, but it just sits there not doing anything |
| 18:02.40 | balanceofcowards | (i.e. I can't provoke any reactions like starting an application or something...) |
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| 18:05.27 | ike | spydon: it should be ok right now. |
| 18:05.42 | spydon | ike, nice |
| 18:06.26 | ike | Does anyone of you use om2008.08 actually? |
| 18:07.20 | peter-b | i do |
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| 18:07.59 | erwin_ | Do you have troubles with nameserver ? I had dns working great on 2007 and nothing with 2008 ? |
| 18:08.00 | trix | i went back pretty quick to 2007.2 |
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| 18:08.20 | ike | peter-b: do you use FR as a phone? |
| 18:08.40 | peter-b | yupp |
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| 18:08.51 | ike | peter-b: and it works reliable? :-) |
| 18:09.04 | peter-b | but i dont really care if i miss a few calls or something |
| 18:09.42 | peter-b | didnt check sms since the update but calling works most of the time |
| 18:10.28 | ike | :-) ah. ok. So I'll update my FR to 2008.08 too. |
| 18:11.03 | peter-b | what is it running atm? |
| 18:13.31 | ike | om2007.02 |
| 18:13.57 | ike | It's quite reliable and games are awesome. |
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| 18:14.25 | ike | The most of the time my gf takes FR and plays Net or Maps. |
| 18:14.26 | ike | ;-) |
| 18:14.29 | bipak_ | do you still need to push the powerbutton 8s to power the freerunner on? |
| 18:14.37 | bipak_ | or can you change the time somewhere? |
| 18:15.26 | ike | To power it up? Yea. I don't know if there is (an easy) way to change it. |
| 18:15.34 | ike | But it wakes from a suspend really fasat. |
| 18:15.36 | ike | fast even. |
| 18:15.50 | bumbl | bipak_: where is the problem? |
| 18:16.01 | bipak_ | 8s are too long |
| 18:16.06 | bumbl | no |
| 18:16.14 | bumbl | i disagree |
| 18:16.18 | bipak_ | im sure 4s would be enough :) |
| 18:16.27 | bumbl | 8s are perfect |
| 18:17.11 | bipak_ | for me it's too long |
| 18:18.20 | bipak_ | ike: ah ok, and in suspend it uses very low power? |
| 18:19.18 | ike | bipak: yup. |
| 18:20.32 | bipak_ | ok, so you don't need to power it on very often... thats something i can live with :) |
| 18:21.04 | erwin_ | who use 2008.8 ? |
| 18:21.07 | erwin_ | please |
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| 18:22.02 | erwin_ | ike: do you use 2008.8 with dns wording ? |
| 18:24.08 | ike | erwin: I'm using om2007.02 atm. it's peter-b who use 2008.08. |
| 18:24.09 | ike | :-) |
| 18:25.18 | Torikun | get the new 20080811 |
| 18:25.21 | peter-b | dns wording ? |
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| 18:26.32 | erwin_ | ike: ok sorry |
| 18:26.54 | erwin_ | peter-b: dns working ! Because if I edit /etc/resolv.conf : dns doesn't work |
| 18:27.24 | erwin_ | peter-b: if I add "up echo nameserver 192.168.0.200 >/etc/resolv.conf" to the end of interfaces : dns doesn't work |
| 18:27.28 | peter-b | no problem here |
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| 18:28.06 | peter-b | is there a dnsd running on your desktop ? |
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| 18:28.30 | erwin_ | peter-b: so I tried to add "dns-nameservers 192.168.0.200" to the iface usbo section it doesn't work |
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| 18:29.03 | erwin_ | peter-b: no |
| 18:29.15 | peter-b | what does the resolv.conf on your desktop say? |
| 18:29.31 | peter-b | cant work then |
| 18:29.39 | asciiforever | erwin_: you could try using an opendns server address as your name server... use IP 208.67.222.222 rather than 192.168.0.200 |
| 18:29.52 | erwin_ | peter-b: It works with the IP of my box (I'm stupid sorry) |
| 18:30.28 | erwin_ | Because I saw some lines of "trouble" in the 2008.8 wiki, I thought it was his fault |
| 18:30.34 | erwin_ | thank you two |
| 18:30.57 | peter-b | np |
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| 18:32.04 | erwin_ | peter-b: does the location work for you ? |
| 18:32.14 | erwin_ | peter-b: because gps didn't work on 2007 for me |
| 18:32.18 | peter-b | sometimes |
| 18:32.35 | peter-b | try the agpsui to test your gps |
| 18:33.11 | peter-b | reboot |
| 18:34.17 | erwin_ | ok I'm going to test on my terrace |
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| 18:37.12 | erwin_ | peter-b: is a gps antenna is mandatory to capt the location? |
| 18:37.46 | peter-b | i dont have one |
| 18:38.11 | cga | mmontour, the script is almost finished and in a working state! |
| 18:39.39 | SpeedEvil | erik__: no |
| 18:39.43 | SpeedEvil | win: |
| 18:40.19 | SpeedEvil | The recent kernels contain fixes to make the flawed hardware not very noticable in most use-cases. |
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| 18:42.26 | erwin_ | peter-b: agpsui seems to bug on 2008 like gtk not nicely supported isn'it ? |
| 18:42.43 | erwin_ | peter-b: some buttons or only black |
| 18:42.57 | mmontour | cga: nice, but the script won't be much use until bug #676 (dfu-util -U data corruption) is fixed. BTW, can someone please check whether or not they can reproduce that bug on a Freerunner? |
| 18:43.36 | cga | mmontour, well... it's true but at least is ready :P |
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| 18:47.04 | GoldenHawk | *sigh* My accelerometers just aren't giving me any information. Is it supposed to just work? Is there some daemon or kernel switch that needs to be done before it works? |
| 18:47.10 | torindel | mmontour: i know it fails to -U rootfs on freerunner |
| 18:47.53 | ieatlint | GoldenHawk: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs#Accelerometers |
| 18:48.06 | mmontour | torindel: in the #676 bug it appears to work (i.e. no error from dfu-util) but it corrupts the data. |
| 18:48.08 | ieatlint | echo 1 into wakeup (and no, you don't want to read from dump) |
| 18:48.28 | peter-b | erwin_: works fine here |
| 18:48.43 | peter-b | idd you install the moko-gtk-theme ? |
| 18:48.53 | peter-b | dammit |
| 18:49.27 | peter-b | i just did an upgrade with buildhost feeds and now there is no keyboard to enter my pin :-( |
| 18:49.31 | erwin_ | peter-b: it doesn't for me BUT i used the recommended "plastic cup" and make the phone straigt to capt better sattelites and it works ! I'm realy enjoyed now |
| 18:49.46 | GoldenHawk | ieatIint: Neat thanks! I see it giving me information when I cat the 'dump' file specified there, but the /dev/input/event[23] interface still doesn't work. |
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| 18:49.49 | erwin_ | peter-b: Oh ok i juste have to install moko-gtk-theme. Thanks ;) |
| 18:50.00 | torindel | mmontour: for me it just errors out |
| 18:50.42 | torindel | i might check #676 later with kernel |
| 18:50.46 | mmontour | that sounds like a different bug |
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| 18:51.19 | erwin_ | openmap is impressive I'd never think i sould be so good |
| 18:51.30 | peter-b | torindel: trying to get a backup image ? |
| 18:51.53 | torindel | peter-b: yea |
| 18:52.10 | peter-b | did that with dd |
| 18:52.31 | torindel | it works fine for anything except rootfs from dfu |
| 18:52.52 | peter-b | dd if=/dev/mtd6 of=/some_nfs_mount |
| 18:52.54 | benjaminvm | hi, i am considering buying a freerunner, q, I do not plan on using a sim card. Other than the phone, what functionality will I lose? |
| 18:53.06 | cjb | benjaminvm: just the phone, I guess |
| 18:53.09 | benjaminvm | will i lose agps? |
| 18:53.25 | peter-b | you will will only have gps then |
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| 18:53.39 | peter-b | but i think there is no a atm anyway :-) |
| 18:53.52 | kd8ikt | benjaminvm: i guess you could help out with the voip efforts |
| 18:53.57 | benjaminvm | so ttff will be increased but other than that i will have no problems, right? |
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| 18:55.00 | kd8ikt | i've been trying to writeup a quick iaxclient bitbake recipe |
| 18:55.05 | benjaminvm | kd8ikt: that sounds like something i can handle, where do you want me to start? |
| 18:55.45 | kd8ikt | well, all i care for is IAX (Inter Asterisk Exchange) |
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| 18:57.22 | kd8ikt | need portaudio for that |
| 18:58.00 | kd8ikt | and speex both are already in the package list |
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| 19:01.17 | kd8ikt | http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokoiax/ |
| 19:01.39 | kd8ikt | and we have a digium guy in our corner allready |
| 19:01.51 | kd8ikt | unofficially playing with it |
| 19:01.56 | XorA | kd8ikt: there is a .bb file for mokoaix already |
| 19:02.10 | kd8ikt | oh really? i must have overstepped it |
| 19:02.27 | kd8ikt | thats because he fricken renamed it :P |
| 19:02.32 | XorA | kd8ikt: I emailed it to devel@ a few days ago, a fixed up version of bkruse original |
| 19:02.33 | kd8ikt | iaxclient!!! |
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| 19:02.45 | kd8ikt | not mokoiax :P |
| 19:02.53 | kd8ikt | nowonder i cant find jack |
| 19:03.47 | kd8ikt | and why isnt it in the dailyfeed? |
| 19:03.51 | XorA | kd8ikt: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-August/000567.html |
| 19:03.57 | XorA | kd8ikt: because it doesnt build yet |
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| 19:04.33 | kd8ikt | bitbake recipe fubared? |
| 19:04.47 | XorA | kd8ikt: recipe works, something wrong with autoconf in mokoaix I think |
| 19:05.04 | XorA | kd8ikt: fails in do_compile because it does -I/usr/include |
| 19:05.15 | kd8ikt | wheres the recipe i cant find it |
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| 19:05.28 | XorA | kd8ikt: look at bottom of that mail, there is a link to attachment |
| 19:08.21 | ieatlint | these fun size bags of chips aren't that fun |
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| 19:11.20 | zash | is there any way to find out how much power a usb thing is using |
| 19:11.53 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 19:12.03 | SpeedEvil | zash: you mean programatically on the FR? |
| 19:12.37 | cjb | measure the current draw on the FR battery before and after plugging it in, if so |
| 19:12.45 | SpeedEvil | that too. |
| 19:12.49 | cjb | SpeedEvil: bold colon :( |
| 19:13.07 | SpeedEvil | cjb: I know - I'm on a different computer and have forgotten the setting. |
| 19:13.39 | cjb | SpeedEvil: Please remember it. Want me to look it up again? |
| 19:14.00 | SpeedEvil | Why does it cause problems? |
| 19:16.28 | SpeedEvil | cjb: if you bother, I'll apply it. The network appears to have fallen off the net |
| 19:16.53 | ieatlint | you can infer actually how much power a usb device is using |
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| 19:17.46 | ieatlint | /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/current_now reports the battery's current in ?A |
| 19:18.08 | ieatlint | (note that is will continually fluctuate by say 20mA) |
| 19:18.33 | Zorkman | who was it that could play supertux without keyboard? |
| 19:18.38 | ieatlint | if you apply a usb device to the phone, you can make a reasonable guess based on the increased draw to the battery |
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| 19:39.50 | zash | SpeedEvil: i don't have a fr :( |
| 19:40.18 | zash | SpeedEvil: if my laptop could report drawn current it would be asum |
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| 19:41.37 | zash | SpeedEvil: i want to know if the fr can support a usb-to-rsr232-converterthingy |
| 19:41.52 | Guilt | mwester: any idea when the kern fixes for 2008.8 are coming up? |
| 19:43.13 | aggtrfrad | it can |
| 19:43.26 | mjr | zash, shouldn't be a reason why not |
| 19:43.35 | aggtrfrad | i just loaded the firmware to my hta receiver with FR |
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| 19:43.50 | aggtrfrad | using pl2320 adapter and zmodem trans protocol |
| 19:44.03 | aggtrfrad | fta* |
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| 19:45.03 | ieatlint | haven't seen you in a while mjr |
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| 19:45.34 | mjr | I have always been here |
| 19:45.38 | mjr | a bit busy with other stuff |
| 19:46.04 | ieatlint | yeah, me too... finally figured out these numbers on my microwave |
| 19:46.26 | kd8ikt | ... |
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| 19:52.44 | SpeedEvil | zash: less /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 19:53.32 | SpeedEvil | S: Product=USB2.0 Hub |
| 19:53.33 | SpeedEvil | C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=100mA |
| 19:53.54 | SpeedEvil | for example means that (this configuration) of the USB2 hub requres at most 100mA |
| 19:54.09 | SpeedEvil | All USB compatible devices will be usable by the FR |
| 19:54.13 | SpeedEvil | It can supply up to 500mA |
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| 19:54.29 | cga | Dave, ping |
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| 19:58.00 | spydon | err, is it even possible to play the snake game? :P |
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| 19:59.16 | almien | is it easy to setup a bluetooth keyboard for use with OM? |
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| 19:59.41 | Lo-lan-do | Hi guys |
| 20:00.00 | Lo-lan-do | Is 2008.8 still using openmoko-contacts2 or is it something else now? |
| 20:02.23 | spydon | Lo-lan-do, something else but you can install openmoko-contacts2 too |
| 20:02.52 | Lo-lan-do | True question is: is the new thing also using eds as its backend? |
| 20:03.07 | zash | SpeedEvil: oh, i thougt it could only supply 100mA |
| 20:03.21 | spydon | Lo-lan-do, I dont think so |
| 20:03.33 | zash | tnx then :D |
| 20:03.34 | Lo-lan-do | 'kay, thanls |
| 20:03.38 | Lo-lan-do | thanks, even |
| 20:03.39 | zash | now i only need a freerunner! |
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| 20:07.10 | DieMumiee | WMI event ID 0x1004 .. too big for IWEVCUSTOM |
| 20:07.17 | DieMumiee | after upgrading.. |
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| 20:09.08 | mwester | Ooohhh you broke it DieMumiee! |
| 20:09.39 | Ainulindale | mwester: Oh |
| 20:09.42 | mwester | Did you upgrade everything -- was there perhaps an updated kernel as well? |
| 20:09.42 | Ainulindale | You're hiding ! |
| 20:10.09 | mwester | Ainulindale: Yes, I'm hiding -- My employer seems to wish me to do other things, it's really quite annoying of them. :D |
| 20:10.11 | DieMumiee | hmmm |
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| 20:10.14 | DieMumiee | maybe .. |
| 20:10.19 | Ainulindale | mwester: :-) |
| 20:10.25 | Ainulindale | Could I talk to you in private for a quick minute ? |
| 20:11.05 | UndrWater | is there a way in the /etc/network/interfaces to fall back from static / wep to dhcp / open? I think i've got it figured out in wpa_supplicant.conf... |
| 20:11.14 | mwester | Ainulindale: certainly. |
| 20:11.47 | UndrWater | or...can you specify a static IP in wpa_supplicant? |
| 20:11.52 | kd8ikt | wonders if Ainulindale is asking mwester what he's wearing |
| 20:12.17 | kd8ikt | UndrWater: last i checked wpa doesnt do that |
| 20:12.31 | kd8ikt | like all it does it "associate" |
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| 20:12.41 | UndrWater | thought so |
| 20:12.46 | kd8ikt | you either use ifconfig or udhcpc |
| 20:13.03 | kd8ikt | and setup a route |
| 20:13.13 | UndrWater | no fallback from dhcp to static? or vice versa? |
| 20:13.33 | kd8ikt | nope i dont believe wpa_supplicant does any of that |
| 20:13.42 | UndrWater | how about interfaces? |
| 20:14.04 | Ainulindale | kd8ikt: mwester is too much of a dude for me, unfortunately. |
| 20:14.07 | UndrWater | gentoo has a fallback_<interface> comment |
| 20:16.35 | kd8ikt | oh jeez |
| 20:16.45 | kd8ikt | flashed a gta01 image again |
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| 20:17.11 | kd8ikt | stress's *again* |
| 20:17.33 | ieatlint | lol |
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| 20:18.10 | kd8ikt | usb2 would be nice |
| 20:18.26 | SpeedEvil | USB4! |
| 20:18.52 | SpeedEvil | It's like USB3, but has a pipe to supply coffee. |
| 20:19.05 | ieatlint | interesting |
| 20:19.11 | ieatlint | can it supply other things as well? |
| 20:19.39 | ieatlint | and is it more commonly known as an IV and/or feeding tube? |
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| 20:21.27 | DaveLab | Lint! |
| 20:21.50 | DaveLab | USB5, so fat, you can send Americans through it! |
| 20:22.01 | DaveLab | big bandwidth :p |
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| 20:29.20 | malik1972 | i need an offline rss reader or something like that for the mailing lists etc. |
| 20:30.08 | zash | a |
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| 20:30.58 | pikapika | hi |
| 20:32.59 | pjj__ | What is seen as the best (as in most stable, best battery liftime) image out there atm for the free runner? :) |
| 20:33.22 | cjb | FSO milestone 2 seems pretty good |
| 20:33.31 | Ainulindale | If you don't look for loads of hype-super-cool functionnalities, you should try FSO MS2. |
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| 20:33.57 | Ainulindale | (I use my freerunner as a day to day phone, and I use FSO MS2) |
| 20:34.01 | Ainulindale | (Which is greatly usable, despite its awful ringtone) |
| 20:34.10 | Ainulindale | (Which I should change but I'm too lazy to do that) |
| 20:34.32 | cjb | seems better than 2008.8 in every way, at least |
| 20:34.36 | pjj__ | ah cool, I'll guess I'll try out that one |
| 20:35.17 | pjj__ | thanks :) |
| 20:35.30 | Ainulindale | cjb: I don't think so |
| 20:35.44 | Ainulindale | cjb: it just happens that lots of people (me included) have trouble with 2008.8 |
| 20:35.56 | Ainulindale | But other people don't, and seems to think that it's great |
| 20:36.06 | Ainulindale | I think it's just a matter of what you're looking for |
| 20:37.14 | cjb | yeah, I don't understand anyone who thinks 2008.8 is usable. |
| 20:37.19 | pjj__ | what's the battery life with FSO MS2? or the 2008.8 got my free runner 2 days ago, so just curious :) |
| 20:38.34 | cjb | not very good because it doesn't have power toggles in the UI for gsm/wifi/gps |
| 20:38.45 | cjb | and it doesn't seem to suspend ever |
| 20:38.54 | cjb | but it does dim the screen aggressively |
| 20:38.56 | Ainulindale | cjb: there is power toggle in illume |
| 20:39.01 | Ainulindale | And it suspends |
| 20:39.09 | cjb | Ainulindale: oh, where's the power toggle? |
| 20:39.14 | Ainulindale | And all these settings you're talking about are .. well, settings :-) |
| 20:39.27 | Ainulindale | Power toggle ? |
| 20:39.46 | cjb | yes, for GSM and wifi |
| 20:40.00 | Ainulindale | Saw that in an illume menu |
| 20:40.08 | Ainulindale | Not GSM though :-) |
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| 20:45.41 | LionKMP | Hi! When I try rescan wifi network in qtopia, it dispays nothing. any ideas why? |
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| 20:47.29 | pjj__ | does the dfu for flashing the neo still gives problems on a 64 bit GNU/Linux OS? |
| 20:47.41 | LionKMP | it works ok for me |
| 20:47.42 | cjb | pjj__: nope |
| 20:47.55 | cjb | I wasn't aware of problems, I've been using it on 64-bit Linux |
| 20:48.02 | pjj__ | ok thanks cjb |
| 20:48.18 | pjj__ | to qoute fromt the wiki "Note: dfu-util seems to consistently fail with a "-62" error on 64-bit Linux. If you have access to a 32-bit machine, use it instead! " |
| 20:48.41 | LionKMP | url please? |
| 20:48.42 | cjb | pjj__: you might see when that was added, and remove it if it's more than a few months old |
| 20:49.34 | cjb | or rephrase it to "If you see a "-62" error.." |
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| 20:50.01 | LionKMP | well, I think that was added recently. I check (I edited that section 2-3 days ago and it wasnt there) |
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| 20:51.15 | LionKMP | http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner&diff=45811&oldid=45738 |
| 20:51.21 | LionKMP | 2 days ago :) |
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| 20:52.01 | DaveLab | Ainulindale, are you available? |
| 20:52.16 | Zero_Dogg | dfu-util worked fine on my 64bit linux |
| 20:52.24 | Ainulindale | I could be avaialble |
| 20:52.28 | Ainulindale | It depends for what |
| 20:52.32 | Ainulindale | +on |
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| 20:53.04 | DaveLab | Helping me setup the toolchain so that I can properly cross-compile drivers :) |
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| 20:53.44 | Ainulindale | I never built the toolchain |
| 20:57.11 | DaveLab | -_- |
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| 20:57.40 | DaveLab | Ainulindale, but wasn't it you, a couple weeks ago giving me instructions and then [rightfully] berating me for not wanting to listen to your direction? :) |
| 20:57.48 | Kev_ | Hi, I just flashed the 2008.8.11er image, but the package manager is not visible and the 2 buttons have no function, is that normal? |
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| 20:58.45 | Ainulindale | DaveLab: Yes, for another stuff |
| 20:58.51 | Ainulindale | I use bitbake here |
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| 21:17.42 | Schugy | are there any videos of multiple tasks like pidgin, minimo and so on? wonder whether it's a good idea to get a 02 already |
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| 21:22.52 | Zorkman | not that i know of Schugy |
| 21:23.05 | Zorkman | pidgin and minimo work fine on my FR |
| 21:23.16 | Torikun | Does anyone know how I can stay up to date with the developer snapshits wihtout reflashing? |
| 21:23.21 | Schugy | and responsive? |
| 21:23.26 | Torikun | *snapshots |
| 21:23.26 | Zorkman | haha, snapshits :) |
| 21:23.34 | Zorkman | no, snapshits is more appropriate :) |
| 21:23.35 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:23.49 | Torikun | I hpoe there is a opkg way |
| 21:24.01 | mmontour | Torikun: :) |
| 21:24.06 | Torikun | 20080811 is really useable |
| 21:24.21 | DaveLab | Hallo! :D |
| 21:24.22 | Zorkman | responsive...it's the first internet enabled handheld device i have used, but i find minimo quite fast and pidgin is also very usable, i've irc'd and msn'd with it |
| 21:24.30 | Schugy | hopefully the pppd, pidgin and the browsers are as stable as on a normal pc |
| 21:24.36 | Zorkman | llo Davidov, you back at the lab? :p |
| 21:24.38 | DaveLab | cough |
| 21:24.43 | DaveLab | Zorkman, yep :p |
| 21:24.46 | Schugy | well, I have a siemens cf62 right now... |
| 21:24.53 | Schugy | rendering pages can take minutes |
| 21:24.58 | Zorkman | Schugy: never had stability problems with those two apps |
| 21:25.11 | Schugy | and opera mini refuses as many pages as the builtin browser |
| 21:25.19 | Zorkman | i haven't really browsed that heavy pages.. |
| 21:25.28 | DaveLab | Ainulindale, is bitbake decent for GTK, wouldn't I have to create recipes? |
| 21:26.04 | Zorkman | dave ou're in a lab, recipes belong there :) |
| 21:26.29 | Ainulindale | DaveLab: what do you mean ? |
| 21:26.33 | Schugy | is the fr soc in any other closed phone with full acceleration? |
| 21:26.41 | Ainulindale | Each package you can install on your device has a bitbake recipe |
| 21:27.59 | Kev_ | can I get the 20080808 gui installer in 20080811? |
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| 21:31.19 | DaveLab | Zorkman, I think you have it mistaken with the kitchen :) |
| 21:31.20 | Kev__ | Can I get the 20080808 gui installer in 20080811? |
| 21:31.32 | lindi- | Kev__: why not just compile it? |
| 21:31.47 | Kev__ | the package is installed, but not visible.. |
| 21:32.00 | Kev__ | it's assassin, isn't it? |
| 21:32.23 | DaveLab | Ainulindale, I'm just looking for the most convenient and stable environment which I can quickly set up so that I may cross-compile drivers for arm :) |
| 21:32.38 | DaveLab | I am open to your recommendations and suggestions. |
| 21:32.49 | Zorkman | Kev_ : yes it is assasin |
| 21:33.06 | Zorkman | Kev_: if it is not visible on the desktop, alter the assasin.desktop file |
| 21:33.34 | Kev__ | ok |
| 21:33.51 | Schugy | Zorkman, how about the features of minimo and the default browser? any functions missing? |
| 21:33.52 | Kev__ | and how can I get the aux button to lock my screen like in 20080808? |
| 21:34.07 | DaveLab | Oops, I broke gmail again. |
| 21:34.11 | Zorkman | Kev_ (hint: you have to edit the "categories", only some categories are allowed, look in other desktop files for what you can use) |
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| 21:35.10 | Ainulindale | DaveLab: seriously, either mokomakefile or bitbake are good |
| 21:35.16 | Ainulindale | The one you feel the more comfortable with |
| 21:35.19 | DaveLab | Hrm, alright. |
| 21:35.28 | DaveLab | Probably mokomakefile, as I've used it a couple times before. |
| 21:35.35 | Ainulindale | DaveLab: I wrote instructions on how to build FSO with bitbake as an example |
| 21:35.40 | Ainulindale | and mokomakefile tutorial is good |
| 21:35.48 | DaveLab | yeah, I know a few people who have built FSO with bitbake |
| 21:35.53 | DaveLab | said it was a breeze |
| 21:35.55 | DaveLab | I was jealous :p |
| 21:36.06 | DaveLab | since compiling shit with the toolchain wasn't so easy :) |
| 21:37.58 | pjj__ | What's the current expected batter life with 2008.8 ? |
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| 21:38.20 | pjj__ | *battery |
| 21:40.10 | mmontour | DaveLab: my advice is to start with MokoMakefile. Once it's set up and you've built a standard image, use "bitbake" directly to build the packages that you want. |
| 21:43.14 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra09de5cabfab 10/opimd/ (8 files): Initial commit of my work so far |
| 21:43.14 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r855407389079 10/odeviced/src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git@git.freesmartphone.org/openmoko-gsoc2008 |
| 21:43.18 | cga | DaveLab, are you Dave ? |
| 21:43.31 | ConfidentiaL | what formats can the qtopia media player play? |
| 21:47.16 | LetoTo | is back from Vegas. what's the status on 2008.08 ? |
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| 21:51.19 | ConfidentiaL | 2008.8 was released 3 days ago but is still a bit buggy... |
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| 21:53.52 | benjamin_ | does anyone know when the neo freerunner will become available again? |
| 21:55.41 | cjb | I think some of the distributors still have some |
| 21:56.01 | ConfidentiaL | truebox gets a batch the 26. |
| 21:56.07 | Zorkman | i think bearstech will have some 3rd week of august |
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| 21:56.54 | pjj__ | I'm really curious about the battery life of 2008.08 anyone can clear it up? like with normal use how many hours the battery with last |
| 21:57.34 | Zorkman | sorry Pjj; havent used it long enough withouth plugging it in to usb |
| 21:57.59 | Pjj | ok Zorkman :) |
| 21:58.03 | UndrWater | should there be updates for 2008.8? |
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| 22:02.26 | cga | is FSO based on the new framework? |
| 22:03.07 | benjamin_ | does anyone know when the official store will have some? |
| 22:04.04 | cga | benjamin_, are they sold out already? |
| 22:04.24 | Torikun | HOw can I upgrade to the latest developers release via open PKG? |
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| 22:05.57 | benjamin_ | apparently, the store says they will have some more July 25th. ?? |
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| 22:13.31 | kd8ikt | XorA: mokoiax compiled fine for me using that .bb |
| 22:13.47 | XorA | kd8ikt: cool |
| 22:14.44 | kd8ikt | i think i'm gonna take a nap though i'm expremely deprived of sleep |
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| 22:20.09 | zedstar_ | anyone here use gmail and is it down for them? |
| 22:20.14 | ajbrun | yep |
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| 22:20.16 | ajbrun | same |
| 22:20.18 | ajbrun | :( |
| 22:21.10 | zedstar_ | google i dont let u read my email for nothing u know sort it out ! |
| 22:21.12 | ConfidentiaL | +1 :( |
| 22:22.25 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r206df24088aa 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: new efl and illume versions - internal kbd now config option. code default is |
| 22:22.26 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rba9d7e0753e1 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): update efl and illume to match to have default configs as test src and |
| 22:22.26 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rcc2a7a8b2dd6 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update efl and illume to match to have default configs as test src and |
| 22:22.27 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r1ee02a49efa9 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up ot 178 of illume- fix window list issues. |
| 22:22.30 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r77254938e5c8 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update efl and illume to have config for removed spanner , asterisk moved, |
| 22:22.33 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r38236d212062 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: ok. qwerty gone. |
| 22:22.36 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r55b6aee312c2 10/packages/efl1/ (ecore.inc ecore_cvs.bb): ecore shoudl really get xdamag/composite support... if its ever used/desired... |
| 22:22.39 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * re1eba9994332 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (2 files in 2 dirs): turn on composite at runtime so it can be used.. if u run a compositemanager |
| 22:22.44 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r293536c32b91 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): and update efl and illume to fix focus issues qith qtopia and softmenu etc. |
| 22:22.47 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r89fb094a4815 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and fix up suspend on initial boot if it's slow. final change for asu release |
| 22:22.50 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * read38ec155f7 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: and efl up - get batget changes to handle new "strange" 'not charging' state. |
| 22:22.55 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * re870c78994f4 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update illume and efl - dockwin (softmenu) works better. looks to me to have |
| 22:22.58 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r9a71a0934c97 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-theme_svn.bb: [illume] Remove the leftover from the stable release |
| 22:23.01 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r18078e18b060 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Xglamo with Chris Ball's xrandr patch |
| 22:23.06 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rcc04dbc69c9a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia with various GSM stability fixes |
| 22:26.53 | ConfidentiaL | what are those messages...? |
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| 22:27.21 | KenYoung | ConfidentiaL, Do you mean the CIA-47 messages? |
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| 22:27.30 | ieatlint | they're essentially logs for svn/git commits |
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| 22:29.18 | ConfidentiaL | yeh, they seem to be status updates for the work on openmoko. Are they? |
| 22:30.03 | KenYoung | ConfidentiaL, Yup, they are automatically generated commit messages, as ieatlint said. |
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| 22:31.41 | CVirus | Can I use GPS with google maps ? |
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| 22:32.37 | ConfidentiaL | KenYoung: so when can we expect to get them on 2008.8? Do we have to wait for the next release? |
| 22:32.55 | zedstar_ | ~lart gmail |
| 22:32.55 | apt | beats gmail into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 22:33.58 | KenYoung | ConfidentiaL, I'm afraid I don't understad what you're asking. As far as I know, some, perhaps most, of those CIA-47 messages do concern changes to the 2008.8 stack. |
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| 22:36.48 | KenYoung | ConfidentiaL, Sorry to be so dense. I think those changes will appear automatically in the daily builds. But I really don't know. |
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| 22:37.57 | ConfidentiaL | but last time I cheked/ran "opkg upgrade" on 2008.8, nothing would be upgraded... and that was an unupgraded release image... |
| 22:38.35 | ConfidentiaL | maybe it's just me tho... |
| 22:38.57 | ConfidentiaL | are you supposed to get upgrades from opkg on 2008.8? |
| 22:39.24 | Kero | blinks in surprise as `make fso-image` finally succeeded |
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| 22:39.35 | KenYoung | ConfidentiaL, I think do. |
| 22:39.46 | KenYoung | ConfidentiaL, I think so. |
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| 22:46.40 | CVirus | What was the name of this keyboard input technology ? |
| 22:47.08 | CVirus | the one where random characters appear and you select accordingly |
| 22:47.44 | KenYoung | CVirus, I think it's an "enhanced interrogation technique". |
| 22:47.55 | *** join/#openmoko ruoso (n=ruoso@201009039092.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 22:48.53 | CVirus | lol |
| 22:49.06 | CVirus | I can't remember the name |
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| 22:49.35 | CVirus | the one with flying random characters |
| 22:53.53 | UndrWater | anyone using mofi / lint / whatever with 2008.8 |
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| 22:55.57 | DaveLab | mmontour: cool |
| 22:56.06 | DaveLab | Though I really just want to build drivers for arm, but sure :) |
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| 22:56.10 | DaveLab | I'll go for it |
| 22:56.37 | SpeedEvil | dasher? |
| 22:56.41 | SpeedEvil | CVirus |
| 22:56.47 | Zorkman | indeed, dasher |
| 22:56.58 | SpeedEvil | (and they aren't random, unless you're DOING IT WRONG) |
| 22:57.08 | Zorkman | or typing in non-english :) |
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| 22:57.59 | Zorkman | night all |
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| 22:58.28 | CVirus | dasher |
| 22:58.33 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: thanks alot |
| 22:58.47 | DaveLab | truste |
| 22:59.02 | DaveLab | Speedevil, what's going on now? |
| 22:59.42 | SpeedEvil | I'm going all retro. |
| 22:59.56 | DaveLab | heh |
| 22:59.59 | SpeedEvil | I found a large RoDime branded anti-static mat, and am gluing it to my desk. |
| 23:00.10 | SpeedEvil | I got it when they crashed and burne.d |
| 23:01.53 | DaveLab | Wonderful. |
| 23:02.27 | SpeedEvil | It's got a nice gold RoDime logo. |
| 23:04.02 | cjb | does the front of the freerunner case come off too with a guitar pick, or just the back? |
| 23:04.22 | SpeedEvil | Front comes off with a HAMMER! |
| 23:04.27 | SpeedEvil | Seriously though. |
| 23:04.33 | SpeedEvil | Remove teh back, remove the battery. |
| 23:04.35 | DaveLab | two torx screws, isn't it? |
| 23:04.36 | SpeedEvil | (remove USB) |
| 23:04.38 | DaveLab | for the front |
| 23:04.40 | cjb | ah, so |
| 23:04.42 | cjb | thanks |
| 23:04.42 | SpeedEvil | remove two torx screws. |
| 23:04.47 | DaveLab | tada |
| 23:04.55 | SpeedEvil | Now, hold the top and bottom of the phone in your left and right hands. |
| 23:04.59 | cjb | is there some way in software to work out whether the aux button is pressed? |
| 23:05.00 | SpeedEvil | And twist slightly. |
| 23:05.07 | cjb | (and to print something when it is) |
| 23:05.32 | SpeedEvil | now, press your thumbnail round the edge of the case, and try to get it to pop in. |
| 23:05.38 | SpeedEvil | When it does, work it all the way round. |
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| 23:07.12 | SirBob1701 | when are there going to be updates for 2008.8 |
| 23:09.34 | mdale | is the "dma2: channel has nothing loaded" error pretty common? |
| 23:09.47 | mdale | should I just reinstall ? |
| 23:10.07 | mdale | the whole screen is black just scrolling that msg |
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| 23:23.18 | DaveLab | hooray for bitbake |
| 23:23.19 | ieatlint | hmmm... if i tell the usb controller on the neo that it is a host instead of a client, but don't update the pmu to give 5v out over the plug, can the neo still charge over usb? |
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| 23:23.38 | ieatlint | such that i could create a usb hub that also powered the neo... |
| 23:23.38 | DaveLab | ieatlint nope |
| 23:23.42 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: yes |
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| 23:23.58 | DaveLab | :o |
| 23:24.01 | ieatlint | i thought i remembered hearing yes, but couldn't find it again :P |
| 23:24.09 | SpeedEvil | Dave: Ok - why do you think not? |
| 23:24.30 | DaveLab | Well, granted I'm no expert, but I thought that once switched to host, it wouldn't charge. |
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| 23:24.40 | DaveLab | that is the battery capacity wouldn't increase :P |
| 23:24.42 | ieatlint | modify an existing usb hub with a li-ion battery :) |
| 23:24.54 | SpeedEvil | The battery circuitry is rather seperated from teh rest. |
| 23:24.58 | DaveLab | Perhaps I was mistaken. |
| 23:25.10 | DaveLab | I currently have a moko connected to a usb hub... |
| 23:25.10 | SpeedEvil | It's pretty much off on its own. |
| 23:25.12 | SirBob1701 | when are there going to be updates for 2008.8 |
| 23:25.29 | ieatlint | yeah, after spending a good hour looking over usb hub schematics, the power stuff is mostly seperate from the controller |
| 23:25.42 | ieatlint | the controller is basically data, and the power is just assumed to come from elsewhere |
| 23:26.01 | DaveLab | yeah, too bad it doesn't have it's own CONNECTION |
| 23:26.04 | DaveLab | grr ~_~ |
| 23:26.05 | ieatlint | (mostly seperate, note entirely) |
| 23:26.12 | DaveLab | stupid usb :[ |
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| 23:27.47 | mjr | on the logical USB host mode while getting external power, Andy answered me thusly: http://n2.nabble.com/USB-connector-not-Mini-AB--tp573409p574929.html |
| 23:27.47 | ieatlint | i found a $15 dc step to output 5v at 1A... |
| 23:29.08 | DaveLab | Yeah, I remember reading that. |
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| 23:29.46 | ieatlint | excellent :) |
| 23:29.53 | kduboi1 | are there any media players for the fso? |
| 23:29.56 | DaveLab | Now, if only I can get these drivers compiled tonight, it'll make that whole setup actually useful. |
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| 23:34.41 | Zero_Dogg | Does OM2008.8 have a multitap pad like 2007.2, or just the crappy predictive qtopia keyboard and the one requiring a stylus? |
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| 23:35.28 | DaveLab | haha crappy... |
| 23:35.29 | raster | qtopia |
| 23:35.36 | DaveLab | It's all people talk about |
| 23:35.39 | DaveLab | Oh hey raster :) |
| 23:35.46 | DaveLab | I was just thinking of you... |
| 23:35.47 | raster | hehehee |
| 23:35.51 | raster | uh oh |
| 23:35.54 | raster | PANTS ON! |
| 23:35.58 | raster | :) |
| 23:36.01 | DaveLab | ... well, in the sense that we both share similar visions towards the future of openmoko input ;) |
| 23:36.01 | ace-- | i was following http://andreasdalsgaard.blogspot.com/2008/07/openmoko-development-in-5-minutes.html and it works for the calculator, but for the browser i get configure.ac:37: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_CHECK |
| 23:36.04 | DaveLab | heehee :P |
| 23:36.11 | DaveLab | I thought you might say something like that - hah |
| 23:36.19 | weatherhead | what is wrong with the qtopia keyboard? I find it excellent for text messaging. Admittedly it's so far only in english, but... |
| 23:36.28 | Zero_Dogg | well, I like a cellphone to be usable with fingers, right now I need a stylus to use the qtopia ones |
| 23:36.47 | Zero_Dogg | I don't like predictive input *at all* |
| 23:36.50 | DaveLab | openmoko developement in five minutes? oh geeze, has openmoko already made it to the idiot's line? |
| 23:36.58 | UndrWater | can u-boot only be updated via NAND? |
| 23:37.00 | DaveLab | Like Learn C++ In 21minutes |
| 23:37.10 | DaveLab | SAM's Openmoko.. hah |
| 23:37.26 | DaveLab | ZeroDogg, well, I'm with you |
| 23:37.30 | DaveLab | But most kiddies do |
| 23:37.31 | ace-- | davelab: it's setting up the correct environment to be able to do development |
| 23:37.36 | DaveLab | OH :P |
| 23:37.38 | ace-- | not like the wiki is useful |
| 23:37.41 | DaveLab | haha, pretty tricky :p |
| 23:37.44 | DaveLab | haha |
| 23:37.46 | DaveLab | hater :) |
| 23:37.51 | ace-- | it's totally outdated and completely wrong most of the time |
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| 23:39.59 | DaveLab | nice |
| 23:44.34 | ace-- | so, does anyone else have problems with autconf when runnning om-conf openmoko-browser2 ? |
| 23:45.25 | DaveLab | probably |
| 23:46.03 | ace-- | heh |
| 23:46.32 | DaveLab | I've had similar problems, just not with openmoko-browser2, as I haven't run it on it |
| 23:47.16 | ace-- | have you been able to fix them ? |
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| 23:47.58 | DaveLab | I don't remember, I didn't like them one bit |
| 23:49.29 | mokofr2007 | weeee irc on moko :-) |
| 23:49.44 | mokofr2007 | random nick? |
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| 23:50.49 | DaveLab | heh |
| 23:51.11 | DaveLab | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.14 | DaveLab | oops |
| 23:51.36 | zash | ~rape |
| 23:51.37 | apt | vt. 1. To screw someone or something, violently; in particular, to destroy a program or information irrecoverably. Often used in describing file-system damage. "So-and-so was running a program that did absolute disk I/O and ended up raping the master directory." 2. To strip a piece of hardware for parts. |
| 23:51.41 | mokofr2007 | lol |
| 23:51.46 | zash | ~rape DaveLab |
| 23:51.47 | apt | ACTION takes DaveLab behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 23:52.39 | zash | mokofr2007: ssh to remote server running irssi in screen? |
| 23:52.45 | zash | (in a terminal) |
| 23:53.05 | zash | mokofr2007: otherwise it doesn't count |
| 23:53.16 | mokofr2007 | what? |
| 23:53.26 | mokofr2007 | no ssh |
| 23:53.37 | mokofr2007 | just pidgin |
| 23:54.01 | zash | meh |
| 23:54.03 | DaveLab | :D |
| 23:54.08 | DaveLab | That's right, apt! |
| 23:54.15 | DaveLab | apt: Who's your daddy? |
| 23:54.16 | apt | YOU are, Mr Sexy Pants! |
| 23:54.20 | DaveLab | Damn right! ;) |
| 23:54.28 | zash | hahahaha |
| 23:54.36 | spdr_ | hehe |
| 23:54.45 | DaveLab | Can ya dig it? |
| 23:56.02 | mokofr2007 | does pidgin support ssl+irc? |
| 23:56.36 | mokofr2007 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:57.12 | zash | wants freerunner for xmpp and ssh |
| 23:57.24 | zash | and pidgin is a crappy jabber client |
| 23:57.51 | spdr_ | i know, but thats what i can run on my moko :\ |
| 23:58.00 | spdr_ | is there any other client ? |
| 23:58.55 | zash | xmpp/jabber-client or xmpp/jabber-client that runns on the fr? |
| 23:59.23 | spdr_ | yeah |
| 23:59.40 | spdr_ | both or either :) |
