| 00:00.10 | Dave | ongehoorzamepik! |
| 00:00.14 | rooly|away | in ipk format, of course |
| 00:00.20 | Dave | joerg, right :o |
| 00:01.05 | Dave | oh, so you're thinking that maybe if it never reset when I [hot] switched batteries... it could be full, but reporting the old battery state + new differential? XD |
| 00:01.05 | Tig| | rooly|away: there was some stuff posted on the planet about someone getting a basic jvm running but I was not paying attention |
| 00:01.14 | rooly|away | read that long time ago |
| 00:01.15 | Dave | I've gotten jalimo running fine |
| 00:01.21 | rooly|away | jamvm? |
| 00:01.24 | Dave | I've even run java apps over several phones |
| 00:01.26 | Dave | :P |
| 00:01.32 | jOERG_rw | even when less accurate, a reading of actual battery voltage is your best bet on charge state then |
| 00:01.35 | Dave | it wasn't particularly fun, but not difficult |
| 00:01.36 | rooly|away | yeah, but i've got a media player here that wants a vm and doesn't seem to recognize it |
| 00:01.43 | Dave | joerg, yeah :P |
| 00:02.26 | Dave | joerg, but here, for instance, I have two batteries where I have rebooted the phone several times, but it always STOPS charging at 58% or thereabouts |
| 00:02.33 | Dave | retracile returns! |
| 00:02.47 | retracile | Mwaahahahahahahahaahah! |
| 00:02.56 | rooly|away | cowers in mockery |
| 00:02.58 | Dave | cackles along with retracile. |
| 00:03.13 | retracile | grins at rooly|away :) |
| 00:03.16 | Dave | >:) |
| 00:03.27 | Dave | retracile, Xkeyboard please! |
| 00:03.44 | Dave | hopes he did not incur any injury from his flying keyboard from earlier. |
| 00:03.45 | rooly|away | is having trouble with sms |
| 00:04.09 | jOERG_rw | about the 90%: PMU switches from constant current charging to constant voltage at a certain charge level. last 10% are verrry slow to charge up. and system might report "stopped charging" despite bat charges up further |
| 00:04.31 | rooly|away | my phone refuses to turn off charging mode |
| 00:04.41 | rooly|away | which is basically killing the battery life from 10 to 5 hours |
| 00:04.56 | jOERG_rw | nah, it refuses to change the icon. that's sth completely different! |
| 00:05.05 | rooly|away | no, it's not |
| 00:05.13 | rooly|away | apm reports that the battery is in charge mode |
| 00:05.31 | Dave | no joerg, but I can confirm that it is DISCHARGING |
| 00:05.37 | Dave | I have scientific proof! |
| 00:06.01 | rooly|away | has been having to use apm to moniter his battery life... |
| 00:06.07 | jOERG_rw | I give a shit on APM. I read out PMU-registers. everything else is just guess and bet and hope for luck |
| 00:06.14 | xmpp | the freerunner is still a foetus telephone |
| 00:06.41 | rooly|away | not the point |
| 00:06.59 | doc|home | xmpp: not true, I can't abort my freerunner. I have it now, whether or like it or not |
| 00:07.43 | xmpp | it's so not ready to be a main phone |
| 00:08.05 | jOERG_rw | rooly|away: i don't see how "it refuses to change" can reduce batery life :-/ |
| 00:08.13 | Dave | joerg, I'd say my multimeter is more accurate :p |
| 00:08.24 | xmpp | i'm disapointed 2008.8 is unreliable to recieve calls and sms |
| 00:08.38 | jOERG_rw | err "refuses to turn off charging" |
| 00:08.43 | Dave | o_O |
| 00:08.46 | Dave | bzzzzzzap |
| 00:08.56 | Dave | exploding freerunners |
| 00:08.59 | Dave | scary |
| 00:09.38 | jOERG_rw | Dave: see above: charging NEVER is switched off |
| 00:09.49 | Dave | hmm |
| 00:09.55 | jOERG_rw | it simply changes from constant I to Vmax |
| 00:10.00 | Dave | you mean it should at least be running off the power supplied to it? |
| 00:11.19 | jOERG_rw | there is some strange issue with bat-charger, and Andy is switching off bat-charge for some reason I never understood (andy=kernel). but that's not to stop charging on full battery |
| 00:11.35 | Dave | then why does the coulomb counter decrease, and the device eventually shuts off, even though it is plugged in!? wtf :( |
| 00:12.15 | jOERG_rw | like I said, it's connected to constant volage, and stops charging by mere physics : no voltage diference=no current |
| 00:12.28 | Dave | like when mine hits 58 @3.88 |
| 00:12.37 | Dave | yeah |
| 00:12.39 | jOERG_rw | that's what we should check carefully |
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| 00:12.46 | Dave | :| |
| 00:12.58 | Dave | mine was running slighty undervolted according to my readings today |
| 00:13.05 | jOERG_rw | 3.88 isn't charge end voltage, it's somewhere in between |
| 00:13.08 | Dave | but sometimes it'd shoot up momentarily |
| 00:13.10 | Dave | yeah |
| 00:13.20 | Dave | shrugs |
| 00:13.30 | Dave | I think I am going to take it apart and test the hell out of it |
| 00:13.42 | jOERG_rw | run a script to dump PMU-regs once a minute? |
| 00:13.49 | Dave | I am unsatisfied with all this fucking mystery surrounding the many unresolved power issues I have :) |
| 00:13.49 | jOERG_rw | just to suggest... |
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| 00:14.07 | Dave | joerg, sure, if you'd like to read it over ;) |
| 00:14.16 | jOERG_rw | sure i will |
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| 00:14.42 | Dave | oh and would that give you any useful or noticible info for when the battery trip shuts it off? |
| 00:14.47 | Dave | temperature |
| 00:14.49 | Dave | :P |
| 00:14.54 | Dave | or is that completely internal? |
| 00:14.58 | Tig| | Is this why if I leave my FR on charge for a long time (ie about a day) on the wall charger it is not fully charged or should I sod off for a bit so you two can sort this out? |
| 00:15.02 | jOERG_rw | knock on wood - we killed noise issue MAYBE yesterday. So I need a new bugger ;-) |
| 00:15.45 | abraxa_ | jOERG_rw: MAYBE meaning that someone needs to confirm it? If so, who does that, if not you? |
| 00:16.20 | retracile | What was the consensus on the fastest filesystem type for the uSD card? ext2? |
| 00:16.35 | Dave | isn't it always? :DDD |
| 00:16.39 | bkrus1 | XorA|gone: you there? |
| 00:16.53 | Dave | bkrus1, watch out, he might eat you! |
| 00:17.00 | jOERG_rw | abraxa_: we had some dozen "fixes" of noise issue. I dn't believe ANYTHING until tested on a sufficient number of devices in sufficient different situations |
| 00:17.10 | bkrus1 | Dave: Nah, me and Xora are cool |
| 00:17.14 | Dave | :p |
| 00:17.26 | Dave | joerg, congratulations :) |
| 00:17.31 | abraxa_ | retracile: In general yes, though some cheap SD cards *supposedly* don't do wear leveling. ext2 would be a bad choice for such cards |
| 00:17.40 | Dave | joerg, be glad you don't have andy's job :D |
| 00:17.51 | Dave | I'm sure you're crazy enough as it is ;) |
| 00:18.00 | jOERG_rw | mine and Andy's aren't that different |
| 00:18.37 | Dave | No, but, dealing with US is :D |
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| 00:18.47 | matholio | I'd like to try nilfs but I son;t have the sills to implement. |
| 00:18.52 | retracile | abraxa_: I'm doing swap to this card as well, since openmoko-today and hald appear to have memory leaks. |
| 00:19.00 | matholio | http://www.nilfs.org/en/ |
| 00:19.10 | Dave | retracile, they leak worse than a ten year old crusty pair of pampers! |
| 00:19.16 | Dave | not to mention neod :P |
| 00:19.46 | hipitihop_ | I have FDISKed my standard FR SD card (512) with 8M fat partion 1 and remainder with ext2. Now want to install 2008.8 anything I should know before I start ? |
| 00:19.49 | Dave | and unfortunately, tango too :[ |
| 00:19.53 | Dave | but not to egregiously |
| 00:20.05 | jOERG_rw | wonder how long my new room-mate needs from airport to apartment - maybe SIGFOOD can't be blocked for any longer ;-) |
| 00:20.26 | Dave | :D |
| 00:20.34 | Dave | Joerg, it's a persistent state! |
| 00:20.42 | Dave | You can't ignore it forever ;) |
| 00:20.45 | retracile | Dave: ah, that would explain why tango rarely manages to complete it's +6 map download... |
| 00:21.02 | Dave | to say the least |
| 00:21.05 | Dave | Try leaving it on for 24hr |
| 00:21.10 | retracile | jOERG_rw: or if you do, it'll convert to SIGKILL.... |
| 00:21.12 | Dave | usually one has to hard restart |
| 00:21.20 | jOERG_rw | lol |
| 00:21.22 | Jarmund | is it possible to use something like ntpdate, only reading the time from GPS instead of an ntp server? |
| 00:21.23 | Dave | if it hasn't shut off already from overheating, etc :D |
| 00:21.32 | Dave | retracile :o |
| 00:21.39 | Dave | jarmund, sure! |
| 00:21.43 | Dave | if you trust it! |
| 00:21.50 | retracile | Dave: I've found mine is ok for closer to 48hrs.... but that's just sitting there with no stimulus. |
| 00:21.57 | Dave | I for one, not living in europe, certainly do not :P |
| 00:22.03 | Dave | retracile, yeah |
| 00:22.08 | Jarmund | well, me, living in europe do |
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| 00:22.17 | Jarmund | well.. more than i trust my wristwatch, atleast |
| 00:22.21 | Dave | retracile, and it's probably not constantly connected to 12 or so satellites and doing stuff |
| 00:22.25 | Dave | it builds up like a mofo |
| 00:22.29 | Dave | I believe it caches EVERYTHING |
| 00:22.40 | Dave | especially with respect to map movement |
| 00:22.42 | Dave | and pathing |
| 00:22.56 | Dave | after a while it can no longer display it properly |
| 00:22.56 | retracile | lovely. Well, I want to get my usb keyboard working in X. After that, I can worry about other things. |
| 00:22.57 | Jarmund | i was thinking of having it as abackup for when i don't have internet access |
| 00:23.08 | Dave | but after a while it takes ~1-3min to deactivate the screensaver |
| 00:23.14 | Dave | so I give up after it eventually halts |
| 00:23.21 | Jarmund | ok |
| 00:23.23 | Dave | retracile, yes please! |
| 00:23.26 | jOERG_rw | Jarmund: someone at SW is actually considering it |
| 00:23.31 | Dave | I need to save my scumm game! |
| 00:23.37 | Jarmund | jOERG_rw: ok, sweet |
| 00:23.37 | Dave | but can't press F5 :( |
| 00:23.43 | jOERG_rw | Jarmund: mickeyl? |
| 00:23.50 | retracile | Dave: heh. Yeah. |
| 00:23.57 | matholio | where are sms messages stored on disk ? |
| 00:23.57 | Jarmund | what? |
| 00:24.18 | Dave | I was so disappointed too, because I actually progressed quite far in it this morning since I was all excited I more or less got the pointer bug fixed :p |
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| 00:25.10 | jOERG_rw | Dave: send me your mail adress. maybe i find some minutes to write a script eventually |
| 00:25.11 | retracile | Dave: I'm going to have to implement my own variant of the keyboard at some point. I want something similar to the jumpx keyboard... but maybe hexagon based. |
| 00:25.31 | Dave | Joerg, okay :) |
| 00:25.58 | jOERG_rw | he arrived |
| 00:26.02 | Dave | Yay |
| 00:26.13 | jOERG_rw | away for SIGFOOD reset |
| 00:26.15 | Dave | retracile kinky! |
| 00:26.18 | Dave | Joerg :) |
| 00:26.21 | Dave | Enjoy! |
| 00:26.29 | jOERG_rw | thanx |
| 00:26.34 | Dave | :] |
| 00:27.17 | retracile | Dave: jumpx is what I use on my Zaurus. For letters it's great. But they needed to give more thought to the rest of the keys. |
| 00:27.37 | Dave | right :[ |
| 00:27.50 | Dave | Well, Ctrl+S would probably do fine right now |
| 00:27.53 | retracile | -> story time |
| 00:27.57 | hipitihop_ | If I am setting up 2008.8 on sd card, do I just wget the rootfs.tar.gz into my home before I untar to the sd partion ? is there sufficient space or do I need to use some other trick ? |
| 00:27.59 | Dave | some one give me a friggin' keyboard :) |
| 00:28.13 | Dave | retracile you have permission to hotwire my freerunner keyboard :) |
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| 00:41.10 | retracile | Dave: heh :) I just need to get the hang of this dev env. |
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| 00:43.13 | Jarmund | heh, i was about to ask if apt was a weird bot, or something, lol |
| 00:43.37 | Jarmund | hmm... that came about 3 hours after it would have made sende.. so disregard |
| 00:44.23 | Jarmund | (forgot that i was scrolled up) |
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| 00:44.38 | retracile | Jarmund: heh. I like that sed feature of apt |
| 00:45.13 | Jarmund | are you referring to the regex? |
| 00:45.41 | retracile | Jarmund: yeah |
| 00:46.01 | Jarmund | hehe, yeah, that's what i was commenting on.. |
| 00:46.19 | matholio | What I don't understand is why something (wifi) that worked in ASU 20080806 is broken in OM 20080808. |
| 00:46.30 | data_jepp | do i need libmokoui2 to compile with the la |
| 00:46.35 | Jarmund | me, just like many others have a tendency of using s///; to correct spelling mistakes, so i was wondering if apt was a bot for correcting typos, lol |
| 00:47.49 | Dave | retracile :) |
| 00:47.58 | Dave | Wow, slow night. |
| 00:48.09 | Dave | slow users :P |
| 00:48.19 | Jarmund | yeh |
| 00:48.20 | Dave | no wonder there are few fixes, and they take a while XD |
| 00:48.51 | fisxoj | hello! Any chances of the freerunner prices going down soon? |
| 00:49.14 | Dave | hehe |
| 00:49.20 | xt | well, the quality should go up, so then the price are lower, so to speak |
| 00:49.20 | Dave | apply for a mortgage! |
| 00:50.04 | fisxoj | well, it also doesn't seem to have support from the only network that really works at my school, so, that's another downside |
| 00:50.16 | ajbrun | can someone link me to somewhere to get the new asu working with qemu? |
| 00:50.30 | ajbrun | everywhere on the wiki seems to do qtopia |
| 00:50.42 | ajbrun | or that seems to be how it's setup by default anyway |
| 00:51.00 | ajbrun | (using makefile) |
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| 01:00.22 | Dave | gives retracile his usb keyboard |
| 01:00.42 | retracile | heh |
| 01:01.15 | Dave | wish it'd help me here :| |
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| 01:02.13 | retracile | ok, opkg question: I want to upgrade all my kernel packages to a version I just built. Will "opkg install *.ipk" do the right thing, or cause me grief? |
| 01:02.31 | Dave | if you force it, that should work fine |
| 01:02.35 | Dave | :] |
| 01:02.42 | Dave | just hope you didn't fuck anything up :D |
| 01:03.12 | retracile | -force-reinstall ? |
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| 01:03.57 | ajbrun | has anyone got the new asu image working with qemu? |
| 01:04.24 | Dave | sure |
| 01:04.34 | Dave | or just --force it till it hurts >:) |
| 01:04.44 | Dave | MAKE IT TAKE IT! |
| 01:04.54 | retracile | Dave: Hrm. It's trying to download the packages. :( |
| 01:05.09 | Dave | with --force-reinstall? |
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| 01:07.06 | fisxoj | another question - does verizon support GSM? I keep finding articles saying they plan to... but, what about now? |
| 01:07.15 | retracile | Dave: with anything |
| 01:07.22 | Dave | fisxoj: no |
| 01:07.31 | Dave | retracile, it works fine |
| 01:07.48 | Dave | opkg install somefile.ipk |
| 01:07.53 | Dave | or *.ipk even |
| 01:07.57 | retracile | root@om-gta02:/media/card/tmp/to_install# opkg install ./kernel-2.6.24_2.6.24+git2+241f69c55ee8f5dd067ebd2d51aa9fdedb212759-r2e_om-gta01.ipk |
| 01:07.57 | retracile | Package kernel-2.6.24 (2:2.6.24+git27+1a95efdc23966343a3b432ceef2f6c24dc0e2052-r2) installed in root is up to date. |
| 01:08.09 | Dave | ah, right |
| 01:08.12 | retracile | (note git2+ vs git27+ ) |
| 01:08.16 | Dave | it thinks they're the same version |
| 01:08.24 | Dave | so, make it your bitch |
| 01:08.31 | Dave | tell IT what to do :) |
| 01:08.48 | retracile | note also -r2e_om, vs -r2 |
| 01:09.03 | Dave | eh? |
| 01:09.08 | Dave | sounds like a ricer cflag? |
| 01:09.41 | retracile | Dave: with -force-reinstall, it tries to download the git27 version |
| 01:10.08 | Dave | blah |
| 01:10.30 | Dave | did you try --force-downgrade? |
| 01:10.48 | Dave | or --force-overwrite? |
| 01:10.48 | retracile | Dave: Yep, that gives me: Package kernel-2.6.24 (2:2.6.24+git27+1a95efdc23966343a3b432ceef2f6c24dc0e2052-r2) installed in root is up to date. |
| 01:10.54 | Dave | bah |
| 01:11.18 | Dave | or maybe you can be sneaky and just try the regular command with --offline? ;) |
| 01:11.24 | retracile | I'm just a wee bit hesitant to try opkg remove. |
| 01:11.33 | retracile | Ah... that's an idea. |
| 01:11.34 | Dave | :P |
| 01:11.51 | Dave | :| |
| 01:12.00 | Dave | That doesn't seem to do what I thought... |
| 01:13.52 | retracile | Even removing a package doesn't get around it. |
| 01:14.03 | retracile | (I erased kernel-module-gadgetfs ) |
| 01:14.07 | Dave | haha |
| 01:14.10 | Dave | shitty |
| 01:14.34 | Dave | haha man the opkg info has several typos in it |
| 01:14.44 | Dave | pesky foreigners |
| 01:15.04 | hipitihop_ | can someone please explain the difference between 'Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.rootfs.tar.gz' and 'Om2008.8.rootfs.tar.gz' at http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ |
| 01:15.15 | Dave | opkg motherfuckinginstall *.ipk |
| 01:15.43 | hipitihop_ | same for the *.uImage.bin |
| 01:17.57 | hipitihop_ | or to put it another way, which should I be using to put on my SD to install 2008.8 |
| 01:19.01 | Dave | it's all good |
| 01:19.05 | Dave | I hear it won't matter |
| 01:19.22 | hipitihop_ | Dave, that aimed at me ? |
| 01:19.32 | Dave | Yes |
| 01:19.44 | hipitihop_ | Dave, ok many thanks |
| 01:20.08 | retracile | hipitihop_: I'd wager a guess that one is a link to the other. ie they're the same. |
| 01:20.48 | hipitihop_ | retracile, probably right, thanks |
| 01:21.19 | Dave | yeah |
| 01:21.25 | Dave | there's a lot of that crap in the repos |
| 01:21.31 | retracile | hipitihop_: download the two small ones and compare 'em? |
| 01:21.37 | Dave | I've been meaning to beat whoever maintains it. |
| 01:22.07 | retracile | Dave: when you have a git revision number in a filename, it's nice to have a -latest link. |
| 01:22.54 | Marcel_M | retracile: you could rename the om-gta02 lines in /var/lib/opkg if -force-downgrade doesnt work |
| 01:23.30 | Dave | retracile: according to alphaone it's totally fucked up |
| 01:23.42 | Dave | and opkg doesn't do the git file revisions/hashes properly anyway |
| 01:23.50 | Dave | so I wouldn't trust it at all! |
| 01:23.56 | retracile | lovely |
| 01:24.16 | Dave | Yep! |
| 01:24.37 | retracile | Marcel_M: I don't follow you... |
| 01:24.43 | Dave | Apparently there's [at least] two different git hash+revision number schemes, and opkg can't use one or both or the other |
| 01:24.46 | Dave | something like that |
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| 01:24.56 | Dave | I stopped trying to understand it, when I discovered opkg couldn't! |
| 01:24.58 | Dave | :P |
| 01:25.11 | retracile | Dave: that's a low bar to set... |
| 01:25.14 | Dave | seemed like a logical step in preserving my productivity, not to mention my sanity. |
| 01:25.17 | Dave | heh heh |
| 01:26.09 | Marcel_M | the packagelists are in /var/lib/opkg/* if you rename the om-gta02 files opkg should not know about other packages maybe it works then |
| 01:26.39 | retracile | Marcel_M: eww. I might resort to that, but... ewwwww. |
| 01:27.08 | Marcel_M | yes it bad i know |
| 01:27.14 | Dave | yeah, eww, cooties. |
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| 01:28.08 | Dave | sorry, I'm still busy laughing at this... http://tinyurl.com/6bhld2 |
| 01:29.02 | Dave | lollerhillbillies |
| 01:32.34 | retracile | With the mokomakefile, will 'make openmoko-devel-image' create the rootfs image & kernel image? |
| 01:34.12 | Dave | who knows! |
| 01:34.27 | Marcel_M | it does |
| 01:34.57 | retracile | Marcel_M: thanks. At this point, I think I'll try that and see if that will work. |
| 01:35.14 | Marcel_M | you're welcome |
| 01:37.48 | ajbrun | retracile - for me, i think it creates qtopia or something |
| 01:38.02 | ajbrun | i haven't got either the old or the new asu images working yet |
| 01:39.22 | hipitihop_ | ok I have copied 2008.8 rootfs and bin to sd card. I'm following the wiki for booting from SD and next step seems involved, is connection to uboot setenv etc still necessary on gta02 with latest uboot or can I just try and boot from its menu ? |
| 01:39.26 | retracile | ajbrun: I thought that was what 'make openmoko-qtopia-image' would do.. that or 'make openmoko-qtopia-x11-image' |
| 01:39.40 | ajbrun | me too... |
| 01:39.53 | Dave | you probably don't want to know :P |
| 01:40.34 | hipitihop_ | Dave, was that at me again ? |
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| 01:41.33 | retracile | ajbrun: I recall there being something you could set so that mokomakefile would build ASU, but by default, I understand it builds 2007.2 or something... |
| 01:41.54 | Dave | hipitihop, no :) |
| 01:41.54 | ajbrun | i think i know what you mean |
| 01:42.02 | Dave | I was just joshing retracile :P |
| 01:42.06 | ajbrun | but still whenever i build, it goes back to the old image |
| 01:42.12 | ajbrun | i must be missing a step or something |
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| 01:42.28 | cga | mmontour, is it normal that i get name=UNDEFINED for the fr with dfu-util ? |
| 01:42.56 | Dave | :o |
| 01:43.36 | hipitihop_ | when setting up to boot from SD using latest uboot on FR, is it still necessary to connect to uboot shell and 'setenv boot_menu_timeout 99999' or is that outdated info ? |
| 01:44.56 | cga | anyone please: is it normal that i get name=UNDEFINED for the FR with dfu-util ? |
| 01:45.31 | jOERG_rw | hipitihop_: tmeout is only for bootmenu stay forever, until you select which image to boot |
| 01:45.31 | hipitihop_ | cga, define normal, however it does not happen for me |
| 01:46.24 | cga | hipitihop_, yesterday it was returning something like "DFU device kernel" or something :( i think that's normal |
| 01:46.25 | Dave | Joerg :) |
| 01:46.28 | hipitihop_ | jOERG_rw, ok, howver I still need to update the menu entry to match my sd config e.g. have fat with ext2 |
| 01:46.34 | jOERG_rw | hipitihop_: latest uboot should be able to boot stright off ext3 |
| 01:46.45 | Dave | yep :D |
| 01:46.57 | jOERG_rw | no more fat partitio |
| 01:47.02 | Dave | except I hear booting from sd is problematic/impossible in 20080808 :P |
| 01:47.13 | jOERG_rw | maybe XD |
| 01:47.31 | Dave | oh and wifi is [now] "unknown" |
| 01:47.56 | Dave | I like how moving forward, we find ourselves in fact, "moving backwards." |
| 01:48.14 | jOERG_rw | 2008.08 is a bleeding edge release, expect fixes for the next 4 days ;-) |
| 01:48.20 | Dave | yeah :P |
| 01:48.30 | jOERG_rw | guys wre |
| 01:48.34 | Dave | except everyone jumped on it and is now bitching about everything that doesn't work :) |
| 01:48.39 | hipitihop_ | jOERG_rw, hmm sounds like I may have gone down a rabit hole, am I better to restart and what SD config do you recommend ? |
| 01:48.41 | jOERG_rw | were eager to get it out on 08.08 |
| 01:49.55 | hipitihop_ | I'm currently just following http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD so sounds like that is out of date |
| 01:49.57 | jOERG_rw | hipitihop_: I have no idea about sw. Never seen 2008.08 til now! honestly |
| 01:50.37 | Dave | :D |
| 01:50.40 | jOERG_rw | hipitihop_: think so |
| 01:50.52 | Dave | joerg was just out of date, until now! |
| 01:50.53 | Dave | ;) |
| 01:51.12 | linuxxr | looks like some new info on the 2008.8 page |
| 01:51.27 | jOERG_rw | hipitihop_: I guess you have to create an ext3 and copy rootfs.tgz on to it (dont forget to expand ;) |
| 01:52.20 | jOERG_rw | hipitihop_: then copy kernel to this, rename to uImage IIRC |
| 01:52.52 | hipitihop_ | jOERG_rw, I have gone the fat with umige and ext2 with rootfs as per the WIKI :-( |
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| 01:54.10 | hipitihop_ | jOERG_rw, lets get in step, are we saying that I should delete all partions on my SD and setup a single partion and format as ext3 ? |
| 01:54.28 | jOERG_rw | for this to work (which it could) you have to modify uboot environment, to tell uboot to load kernel from vfat and to boot from a ext2 |
| 01:54.37 | Dave | gahaha I uninstalled alsa* et al |
| 01:55.00 | Marcel_M | jOERG_rw: do you know if works with sdhc cards too? (rootfs and kernel on the card) |
| 01:55.50 | jOERG_rw | hipitihop_: I dn't know uttin about this stuff - i told ya! just repeat what I think I remember to read last weeks |
| 01:55.52 | Dave | Why not? Joerg fixed the hardware, right? ;) |
| 01:55.57 | hipitihop_ | jOERG_rw, I'm not interested in *could*, since I'm still a bit of a noob I'm happy to go with whatever is the easiest to get going so if I have to restart from scratch, that's finr |
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| 01:56.53 | hipitihop_ | goes to grap a late breakfast to ponder options, back in 10 |
| 01:57.01 | jOERG_rw | search community and support ml for ext3, maybe plus uboot. should yield good results |
| 01:57.30 | Marcel_M | jOERG_rw: so no sdhc support in uboot :( |
| 01:57.32 | jOERG_rw | gnnn, ***breakfast*** |
| 01:57.40 | Dave | bahaha |
| 01:57.50 | Dave | joerg, didn't you *just* eat? :o |
| 01:58.01 | Dave | I have an awesome fucked up screen screenshot to post somewhere :P |
| 01:58.11 | jOERG_rw | still trying to get my fingers off the laptop |
| 01:58.47 | Dave | ;) |
| 01:59.10 | jOERG_rw | meanwhile I'm too tired to leave for breakfast :-( |
| 01:59.19 | Dave | aww |
| 02:00.23 | Dave | wow, well, I really fucked up THIS X session :p |
| 02:00.51 | jOERG_rw | channel-admin: if I'm posting again in 5 minutes, please kick be off ;-) |
| 02:01.01 | Dave | Okay! :D |
| 02:01.15 | Dave | Don't worry Joerg, we still like you :) |
| 02:03.21 | mmontour | Marcel_M: Freerunner u-boot should work with SDHC. Neo1973 u-boot doesn't. |
| 02:03.23 | linuxxr | if i didnt install the new kernel with the 2008.8 release would that cause the gsm not to work or alsa? |
| 02:03.48 | Marcel_M | mmontour: tx |
| 02:05.33 | Dave | linuxxr: if you DID? |
| 02:05.38 | Dave | it would explain that :p |
| 02:05.43 | Dave | or might, anyway ;) |
| 02:06.33 | cga | anyone here that knows bash well and want to revision a script for backing up the FR??? |
| 02:07.21 | Dave | backing up? as in, flash? |
| 02:08.36 | Dave | :] |
| 02:08.53 | DocScrutinizer | c'mon dave! that's worth while |
| 02:09.00 | Dave | Indeed :) |
| 02:09.18 | Dave | her Doctehr! |
| 02:09.21 | Dave | heehee |
| 02:09.25 | Dave | I like it :) |
| 02:09.31 | jOERG_rw | away for breakfast |
| 02:09.32 | Jarlsberg | damnit, i've run out of cheese :( |
| 02:09.34 | *** part/#openmoko threedee (n=user@nat67.mia.three.co.uk) |
| 02:09.39 | Dave | heh |
| 02:09.51 | Dave | and maybe you should be Dr. Dairy :P |
| 02:10.02 | cga | Dave, mmm backup rootfs splash uimage and all.. |
| 02:10.02 | Jarmund | could be.. i love dairy products |
| 02:10.07 | cga | here it goes: http://pastey.net/93412 |
| 02:10.08 | Dave | hehe |
| 02:10.12 | Dave | :D |
| 02:10.16 | Jarmund | i have an insane consumption of cheese and milk |
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| 02:10.52 | cga | mmontour, would you review "my" script??? |
| 02:10.53 | Dave | I hope it doesn't give you terrible diarrhea |
| 02:10.59 | Jarmund | it doesn't |
| 02:11.03 | Dave | cga, yeah yeah |
| 02:11.14 | cga | Dave, ? |
| 02:11.15 | Jarmund | a friend of mine is certain that i one day will experience death by lactosis |
| 02:11.15 | jOERG_rw | cga: there's a bug in dfu-util, messing the retrieval of firmware from FR |
| 02:11.25 | Dave | warns joerg |
| 02:11.31 | Dave | Don't make me kick you! |
| 02:11.38 | Dave | ;) |
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| 02:11.45 | DocScrutinizer | joerg is away, for breakfast |
| 02:11.52 | IguanaNed | Good evening All |
| 02:11.53 | Dave | Good :) |
| 02:11.56 | cga | DocScrutinizer, ??? |
| 02:12.01 | DocScrutinizer | I'll tell him when he's back |
| 02:12.02 | Dave | cga, the doctor is out. |
| 02:12.07 | cga | oh man |
| 02:12.10 | Dave | I'm taking messages :) |
| 02:12.14 | cga | don't confuse me |
| 02:12.17 | Dave | Even though I'm not his secretary |
| 02:12.18 | Dave | haha |
| 02:12.40 | Jarmund | i think i'm gonna go fail at getting some sleep |
| 02:12.40 | cga | it's past 4am here and i spent the night with that script making |
| 02:12.45 | Jarmund | brb |
| 02:13.04 | cga | jOERG_zzZZzz, are you serious about the bug? |
| 02:13.08 | phrozen77 | cga, dont remind me about the time |
| 02:13.11 | jOERG_zzZZzz | yup |
| 02:13.15 | cga | arf |
| 02:13.15 | phrozen77 | got to get up in about an hour |
| 02:13.17 | phrozen77 | >_< |
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| 02:13.27 | cga | jOERG_zzZZzz, so it's useless to backup? |
| 02:13.36 | jOERG_zzZZzz | downloads all 256MB of flash, then ends with an error |
| 02:13.42 | cga | darn |
| 02:13.52 | cga | that's why i always get an error |
| 02:13.53 | jOERG_zzZZzz | nah, not completely useless. but annoying |
| 02:14.05 | cga | would you look at my script? XD |
| 02:14.08 | Dave | >_> |
| 02:14.14 | Dave | Hello phrozen. |
| 02:14.22 | cga | lol |
| 02:14.23 | phrozen77 | oh hai |
| 02:15.29 | cga | jOERG_zzZZzz, so even if it ends with an error the rootfs is correctly backuped? |
| 02:15.40 | jOERG_zzZZzz | dunno |
| 02:15.47 | Dave | backuped? |
| 02:15.48 | jOERG_zzZZzz | probably |
| 02:15.49 | Dave | I like that. |
| 02:16.05 | kd8ikt | sleep typing jOERG? |
| 02:16.08 | cga | Dave, i'm not english mothertongue :P |
| 02:16.16 | Dave | Obviously :) |
| 02:16.24 | Dave | kd8, must be. |
| 02:16.25 | cga | what's the correct word? |
| 02:16.49 | Dave | backed up |
| 02:16.55 | Dave | so it's close :P |
| 02:17.01 | kd8ikt | english is'nt my primary language? |
| 02:17.05 | cga | oh darn than i was right ion the first place |
| 02:17.10 | Dave | haha |
| 02:17.13 | Dave | mothertongue |
| 02:17.17 | cga | i was going to write backed up |
| 02:17.48 | Dave | in soviet russia, tongue backs up you... or something confusingly hilarious |
| 02:18.09 | cga | eh eh |
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| 02:18.43 | Dave | I-T-A-L-I-A \o/ |
| 02:19.31 | cga | eh eh |
| 02:19.46 | cga | world champion of mafia! XD |
| 02:20.00 | cga | damn i think i'm done |
| 02:20.08 | cga | time to sleep a little bit |
| 02:20.12 | cga | my head aches |
| 02:20.23 | cga | tomorrow i continue with the script |
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| 02:22.25 | cga`ZZzzZZz | see you all |
| 02:24.16 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.49 | mmontour | cga: in your script you can probably hard-code the "-d" parameter to dfu-util (0x1d50/0x5119 or something like that). |
| 02:29.17 | cga`ZZzzZZz | mmontour, here you go |
| 02:29.35 | cga`ZZzzZZz | mmontour, is it always the same for every device? |
| 02:29.47 | cga`ZZzzZZz | last cigarette before sleep btw |
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| 02:30.43 | mmontour | It'll be the same for all Freerunners. Neo1973 has a different vendor ID. |
| 02:30.54 | cga`ZZzzZZz | oh man |
| 02:31.04 | cga`ZZzzZZz | that HEX thing made me crazy |
| 02:31.23 | cga`ZZzzZZz | well.. i can leave it like that for future devices |
| 02:32.01 | cga`ZZzzZZz | mmontour, now i go to sleep. are you here tomorrow? (in 6/8 hours) |
| 02:32.11 | cga`ZZzzZZz | i want to ask you some more info |
| 02:32.19 | cga`ZZzzZZz | on dfu-util |
| 02:33.13 | mmontour | I'm not an expert on it - just ask the question, and someone else may be able to answer it. If not, I'll look through the IRC backlog tomorrow (Canada/Pacific timezone) |
| 02:35.06 | cga`ZZzzZZz | mmontour, well it's just about the --list |
| 02:35.38 | cga`ZZzzZZz | is it normal that it returns Found Ruintime .... name=UNDEFINED for the FR ? |
| 02:35.59 | cga`ZZzzZZz | and sometime DFU something instead of runtime? |
| 02:37.22 | cga`ZZzzZZz | nite nite all |
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| 03:01.15 | Infoport | reboot, reset, REFRESHED! yawn... anything good get released last day? |
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| 03:11.36 | kd8ikt | DCC SEND STARTKEYLOGGER 0 0 0 |
| 03:11.42 | kd8ikt | ;D |
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| 03:11.51 | phrozen77 | lol |
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| 03:12.08 | phrozen77 | dcc send omgwtfbbqsausagefestftw |
| 03:12.19 | phrozen77 | DCC SEND omgwtfbbqsausagefestftw |
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| 03:12.32 | kd8ikt | ok ok lets not abuse it now |
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| 03:13.46 | kd8ikt | who honestly idles with chatzilla ? |
| 03:13.51 | kd8ikt | christ sake |
| 03:16.11 | donomo | should there be a running gpsd on FSO? i dont see one |
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| 03:18.32 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework |
| 03:19.15 | kd8ikt | check that donomo |
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| 03:22.21 | donomo | ok. it uses gypsy. the fso image has /usr/libexec/gypsy-daemon, but its not running. |
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| 03:25.44 | feitingen | aah |
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| 03:26.18 | dgilmore | hi all i was given a GTA01. trying to get it flashed with a new image and not having any luck |
| 03:28.12 | Infoport | hey, are trying to hide the OM2008.8 release in the wiki? we have Available Packages, Repositories, Distributions, and Downloads, but only the last two mention 2008.8 |
| 03:28.40 | ajbrun | can't find the source for it, or anyway to get it to run in qemu |
| 03:29.16 | Infoport | Repositories lists "Official builds" as well as "Unofficial Builds", but no 2008.8, and available packages spells out 2007.2 software options but no other |
| 03:33.25 | rooly | yay |
| 03:33.32 | rooly | a ringtone configurmarator |
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| 03:47.10 | linuxxr | 2008.8? |
| 03:47.32 | linuxxr | lotsa stuff if only the phone would work |
| 03:47.58 | linuxxr | maybe that will happen soon |
| 03:51.54 | rooly | don't ya hate those guys that say "my phone works" |
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| 03:52.19 | SirBob1701 | rooly: my phone works :P :D |
| 03:52.51 | rooly | mine too |
| 03:52.54 | rooly | snickers |
| 03:52.55 | SirBob1701 | rooly: i just piss alot of people off when they stop hearing me mid call |
| 03:53.01 | rooly | haha |
| 03:53.05 | SirBob1701 | which might be my provider haha |
| 03:53.06 | linuxxr | is it 2008.8? |
| 03:53.07 | Infoport | rooly: not after I spent several hours getting sound back for mine to work :-/ |
| 03:53.10 | rooly | im using the qtopia/gtk+ stack |
| 03:53.20 | SirBob1701 | i'm on Om2008.8 |
| 03:53.27 | rooly | haven't had an issue with anything besides tangogps and wifi |
| 03:53.33 | SirBob1701 | rooly: you got diversity or tango on that sucker?? |
| 03:53.50 | rooly | diversity since tango won't render the map for some reason |
| 03:54.00 | linuxxr | qtopia/gtk+ stack is that the fso? |
| 03:54.02 | SirBob1701 | odd |
| 03:54.05 | Infoport | I've played with 2008.8 (on SD) but kept the OM2007 on NAND for now |
| 03:54.35 | rooly | that's the 2008.8 |
| 03:55.38 | Infoport | rooly: where does the ringtone configurator go once installed? I dont see it in icons |
| 03:55.44 | rooly | settings menu |
| 03:55.49 | rooly | that thing you can't get to |
| 03:59.55 | linuxxr | does the sdcard access faster than nand or not? |
| 04:00.08 | rooly | finds slower |
| 04:01.06 | Infoport | linuxxr: hard to say...supposedly, but I've only tried with completely different images (i.e. OM2007 vs )M2008.8) |
| 04:01.08 | linuxxr | i guess i need about 4 1g microsd cards |
| 04:01.41 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.45 | linuxxr | instead of reflashing all the time |
| 04:02.06 | Infoport | linuxxr: I got some 2G cards cheap too (on sale in stores since bigger are avail.) |
| 04:04.46 | Infoport | US site by state http://www.salescircular.com lists the sales from the weekly circulars of Best Buy, Circuit City, Staples, Office Max, etc |
| 04:08.26 | Infoport | rooly I can get to Settings menu, but dont see that Ringtone Configurator (or any similar) I installed it, and phone has cycled since even |
| 04:09.17 | rooly | it's all the way at the bottom |
| 04:10.33 | Infoport | rooly: it should be below System Info in settings? |
| 04:13.41 | rooly | it should be ALL the way down |
| 04:14.23 | Infoport | rooly: maybe I'll uninstall and re-install, see if anything changes |
| 04:20.32 | Infoport | rooly: are you running 2008.8 off NAND or SD card? |
| 04:20.54 | Infoport | (it shouldn't matter, but...) |
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| 04:25.45 | Infoport | rooly: oh well, I still dont see it on the Settings menu... mileage must vary (and ringtones would be NICE) |
| 04:26.05 | SUNWjoejaxx | trying to find a GTA01 :P |
| 04:28.11 | rooly | you know what would also be nice? |
| 04:28.19 | rooly | a file browser for ... file operations |
| 04:28.25 | SUNWjoejaxx | rooly: :P |
| 04:29.30 | rooly | for instance |
| 04:29.37 | rooly | a file browser to look up music to play |
| 04:29.45 | SUNWjoejaxx | rooly: that would be nice |
| 04:29.51 | rooly | instead of expecting it to be an some unknown spot |
| 04:29.59 | rooly | an->at |
| 04:36.19 | IguanaNed | is ASU image available? |
| 04:37.17 | mmontour | ASU is now called 2008.8, and it is available on downloads.openmoko.org |
| 04:38.56 | rooly | hrm |
| 04:39.08 | rooly | is it worth it to upgrade to 2008.8 |
| 04:40.27 | SUNWjoejaxx | goes to see if the GTA02 is available again |
| 04:40.50 | mmontour | koolu has GTA02s in stock |
| 04:42.30 | rooly | 's where i got mine from |
| 04:42.39 | Infoport | dammit, looks like ringtones are not in my near future |
| 04:42.48 | SUNWjoejaxx | rooly: really? how long did it take to ship? |
| 04:43.37 | mmontour | They say 3-5 business days (ordered mine last week) |
| 04:43.48 | rooly | 2-3 weeks for me |
| 04:43.58 | SUNWjoejaxx | ok yeah i see that now on the details page for the phone |
| 04:44.41 | mmontour | Note that they're in Canada, so shipping to USA may be slower |
| 04:45.03 | SUNWjoejaxx | it looks like gp2x is selling the Neo 1973 |
| 04:45.25 | SUNWjoejaxx | but not the gta02 |
| 04:45.48 | SpeedEvil | neo isn't available anymore, unless someone has old stock |
| 04:46.26 | Infoport | rooly: did you really get the ringtone configurator up, or are you just yanking my chain? |
| 04:47.40 | rooly | i got it up |
| 04:48.04 | rooly | but it didn't help to have it because it uses the same directories as the qtopia media player |
| 04:48.24 | rooly | and i have no idea what directory that uses |
| 04:49.01 | Infoport | rooly: oh wait...are you using ASU or qtopia images? I am using ASU, and it was in the Installer |
| 04:49.50 | rooly | not entirely sure, but asu |
| 04:50.11 | Infoport | rooly: but it was a qtopia-x11-ringtone... |
| 04:51.17 | rooly | yeah |
| 04:51.22 | Infoport | I see that you mean about the mediaplayer now |
| 05:02.34 | Infoport | rooly: looks like the default ringtone is at /opt/Qtopia/etc/SystemRingTones/ |
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| 05:17.29 | Infoport | rooly: just spent 1/2 hour browsing directories via USB networking, moved a tune into a few that seemed good, but still couldnt get mediaplayer to see |
| 05:23.49 | undrwate1 | hrm...anyone know what this means?: *** glibc detected *** opkg: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x0002d2c8 *** |
| 05:26.05 | ieatlint | what was it doing when you got the error? |
| 05:27.10 | undrwate1 | ieatlint: opkg remove xserver-nodm-init -recursive |
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| 05:27.44 | rooly | ... |
| 05:28.04 | SUNWjoejaxx | lol |
| 05:28.30 | rooly | why don't you just uninstall the battery kernel module while your at it |
| 05:28.42 | undrwate1 | rooly: :P |
| 05:29.10 | undrwate1 | an opkg upgrade killed xserver (or at least the gui)... |
| 05:29.27 | ieatlint | x is not at all the gui |
| 05:29.28 | rooly | -force-reinstall? |
| 05:29.59 | undrwate1 | it wasn't uninstalled...(i don't think) |
| 05:30.18 | rooly | opkg install <package> -force-reinstall |
| 05:30.22 | rooly | ...reinstalls the package |
| 05:31.14 | undrwate1 | does xserver show in ps? |
| 05:31.29 | ieatlint | pgrep -l Xglamo |
| 05:31.46 | undrwate1 | hrm...not there |
| 05:32.04 | undrwate1 | did the -force-reinstall |
| 05:33.52 | ieatlint | so there's no gui on the phone right now? |
| 05:34.00 | ieatlint | you have like a login screen or what? |
| 05:34.05 | Infoport | interesting...the timezone for the Clock app is stored in a file (/etc/timezone) instead of usng a link to a correct timezone file within /usr/share/zoneinfo/... like the wiki has |
| 05:34.14 | undrwate1 | correct...no login...messages passed to the screen |
| 05:34.35 | ieatlint | try "Xglamo -probeonly" |
| 05:34.41 | undrwate1 | ok |
| 05:34.53 | ieatlint | not sure how that'll react over ssh, but you'll see :P |
| 05:35.23 | undrwate1 | Unrecognized option: -probeonly |
| 05:35.42 | ieatlint | huh |
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| 05:35.59 | ieatlint | you did reboot after the forced reinstall, right |
| 05:36.10 | undrwate1 | nope...will do that now |
| 05:36.28 | undrwate1 | but just for edification, here's what's being passed to the screen: |
| 05:36.42 | undrwate1 | [ 1371.190000] AR6000 scan complete: 0 |
| 05:36.42 | undrwate1 | [ 1371.205000] AR6000 Neighbor Report Event |
| 05:36.42 | undrwate1 | [ 1371.215000] bssid 00:1f:90:e8:31:ba |
| 05:36.52 | ieatlint | yeah, that's the wifi module, heh |
| 05:37.06 | undrwate1 | ahh...so not related to no gui |
| 05:37.13 | ieatlint | nope |
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| 05:42.48 | undrwate1 | still no gui...screen says "starting xserver" then starts printing stuff like the power supply, and the wifi stuff |
| 05:43.31 | undrwate1 | pgrep -l Xglamo returns null |
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| 05:49.02 | undrwate1 | is it possible the gui is running on another VT? |
| 05:53.45 | ieatlint | no |
| 05:53.48 | ieatlint | pgrep would show it |
| 05:53.58 | ieatlint | try just "pgrep -l X" in case you don't have the glamo one |
| 05:54.16 | ieatlint | a proper setup should yield "Xglamo" and "Xsession" |
| 05:54.28 | ieatlint | you may just have to cut your losses and reflash though |
| 05:56.13 | ieatlint | i'm actually using john the ripper for a legitimate purpose... this is weird |
| 05:56.34 | undrwate1 | damn...cutting my losses :( |
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| 06:05.38 | Rigolo | good morning ... I noticed that OM2K8.8 is now using resovconf to automate the creation of /etc/resolv.conf (which is a symlink to /var/run/resolv.conf) but I can not get it to set a correct dns for usb networking. Any tips or hints that I can use? |
| 06:07.35 | undrwate1 | Rigolo: you mean internet through usb? |
| 06:07.40 | Rigolo | yep |
| 06:07.52 | Rigolo | connection is working ... I can ssh into the FR .. |
| 06:08.20 | Rigolo | I could just hardcode the resolv.conf .. but I would loose that automatic thing from resolvconf |
| 06:10.46 | undrwate1 | i think you can add an echo statement in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 06:10.49 | ieatlint | well, the other option is to sidestep connection-specific dns settings |
| 06:11.14 | ieatlint | and hardcode a dns server that is accessable from any internet connection (unless you're runing your own with the intent of local resolution) |
| 06:11.41 | Rigolo | undrwate1: I did that .. I added dns-nameserver to /etc/networking/interfaces .. but it is not used somehow |
| 06:12.22 | undrwate1 | Rigolo: echo nameserver <nameserver> > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:12.25 | Rigolo | ieatlint: well, that could work (openDNS for example) but not always. I am sometimes on networks that block port 53 (paranoid admins) |
| 06:12.41 | Rigolo | undrwate1: that is the "hardcoded" solution I'm trying to avoid |
| 06:12.45 | ieatlint | paranoid and stupid admins then |
| 06:13.00 | ieatlint | if you're going to block 53, add a redirect to the nameserver you want them to use |
| 06:13.28 | undrwate1 | flew over my head ;) |
| 06:13.40 | Rigolo | ieatlint: I agree ... the blocked it because they found people using port 53 to ssh out the network (because 22 was also blocked) |
| 06:14.00 | ieatlint | they were sshing over udp... wow.. that's desperate :P |
| 06:14.41 | ieatlint | i've no good solution for you then... |
| 06:14.45 | Rigolo | ieatlint: and they are Windmins .... (Windows Admins) |
| 06:15.04 | Rigolo | ieatlint: no, just TCP on port 53 ... worked great ... |
| 06:15.21 | ieatlint | they blocked udp and tcp? |
| 06:15.29 | ieatlint | that indeeds seems rather stupid :P |
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| 06:16.17 | ieatlint | if i were a netadmin and wanted to piss off people sshing over 53/tcp... i'd let them login and have it work for about 100 packets, then timeout the connection |
| 06:16.18 | Rigolo | later they did ... it was like a jail ... only approved access was via tcp port 80 via their proxy .... and https tcp via port 443 (so then stunnel was used a lot :-) |
| 06:16.36 | ieatlint | then just sit back and make laugh maniacally |
| 06:16.51 | Rigolo | ieatlint: well ... with linux that is easy to do .. with windows machine ... a bit harder I guess |
| 06:17.44 | ieatlint | it's sad that people use windows for any sort of network infrastructure |
| 06:17.55 | Rigolo | but .. .how does this resolconf thing got into om2k8.8 .. and no docs on the wiki how to use it :-) |
| 06:18.00 | ieatlint | the freerunner would make a better gateway... |
| 06:18.32 | Rigolo | ieatlint: well, windmins only know how to point and click sometimes (I've seen really good ones .. but they are rare) |
| 06:19.10 | ieatlint | shakes his head |
| 06:19.19 | ieatlint | anyway, i've no info on resolvconf, sorry |
| 06:19.51 | Rigolo | mmmm google is also not helping much ... I fear I need to wade through all the scripts to see what it is doing when ... |
| 06:19.56 | ieatlint | there's always the hacked script method, where you check every X seconds if usb is plugged in... |
| 06:20.08 | Rigolo | (for the mean time .. let's hardcode it for now) |
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| 06:22.47 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:23.38 | ieatlint | hey kd8ikt |
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| 06:29.54 | aggtrfrad | can i compile a module aginst the openmoko kernel, for a usb device for example? |
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| 06:33.18 | undrwate1 | would love to have gspca |
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| 06:41.34 | tmzt | aggtrfrad: you would need a cross compiler and the kernel headers, if you have the source for the driver that is |
| 06:42.34 | aggtrfrad | i assume this is the conf file used nowdays for the kernel https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/kernel/config/ |
| 06:43.03 | tmzt | I don't know, but it might be in /proc/config.gz |
| 06:46.55 | Infoport | Rigolo: I found about resolvconf somewhere, a sec ago, but don't see it. I can tell you what I did though |
| 06:47.12 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc3505d8ff3db 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: add org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.GetContextStatus() -> s |
| 06:47.14 | Rigolo | let me know :-) |
| 06:48.48 | Infoport | Rigolo: you edit /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base and put in the nameserver, then update with "resolvconf -u" |
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| 06:51.10 | Rigolo | Infoport: okee, from what I am just reading here (http://www.aioe.org/cgi-bin/man2web?program=resolvconf§ion=8) that file is used when no interface are configured |
| 06:51.28 | Rigolo | but .. usb0 is configured so should it not use some other settings then? |
| 06:51.53 | Rigolo | when there are not interfaces configured why would you want a "proper" resolv.conf anyway? |
| 06:52.00 | Rigolo | but .. it will work I think :-) |
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| 06:55.27 | tmzt | what platform is that on, I think oe (which openmoko is based on), only has resolv.conf |
| 06:55.48 | Rigolo | tmzt: this is on the FR with OM2008.8 installed |
| 06:56.45 | tmzt | I'm only saying I've never heard of that file, but I'm pretty sure it's not used on openmoko |
| 06:57.29 | Rigolo | well, it looks like it is on om2008.8 ... resolv.conf is a symlink to /var/run/resolv.conf |
| 06:58.07 | tmzt | not resolv.conf, /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/... |
| 06:58.21 | Rigolo | well, that is also there :-) |
| 06:58.32 | tmzt | is that debian? |
| 06:58.43 | Rigolo | nope ... om2008.8 |
| 06:58.59 | Infoport | Rigolo: it was from the Support mailing list Aug 9, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-August/001437.html |
| 06:59.00 | Rigolo | but resolvconf is a "debian" tool I think |
| 06:59.16 | tmzt | yeah, a debian thing, ok |
| 06:59.48 | tmzt | but you can change /etc/resolv.conf if you want, or put the nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:00.00 | Infoport | Rigolo: although that msg says to end with "sudo blah blah", which isn't needed since you are root on your phone |
| 07:00.49 | Rigolo | tmzt: I did .. in the usb0 section, but they were not picked up when rebooting the FR |
| 07:00.50 | Infoport | Rigolo: actually "sudo resolvconf -u" -- I shouldnt type gibberish instead of the right thing |
| 07:01.08 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r53a66ee5a146 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: add org.freesmartphone.PDP.GetContextStatus() -> s |
| 07:01.28 | Rigolo | mmm let's create a script that is called blah .. and see what fun we can have with that :-) |
| 07:01.32 | tmzt | usb0 is auto? |
| 07:01.37 | Rigolo | yep |
| 07:01.47 | Rigolo | (/me is booting the FR at the moment ..) |
| 07:02.01 | KenYoung | Does anyone know what qpe is doing when it gets into the state where it is CPU bound for a prolonged period? |
| 07:02.11 | Infoport | Rigolo: I haven't tried yet, but I think you could alter the usb0 section to populate /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base instead |
| 07:03.06 | Rigolo | Infoport: i think you should not do that .. but put proper dns settings in the usb0 section and then let the scripts "do it's thing" (tm) |
| 07:03.37 | Rigolo | like the man page says: the base file is used when there are no configured interfaces |
| 07:04.55 | Infoport | Rigolo: I guess if your resolv.conf doesn't get wiped out after /etc/network/interfaces does its job...tell me if it works for you! |
| 07:05.14 | Rigolo | in my /etc/network/interfaces i have in the usb0 section a dns-nameservers 192.168.1.1 .. that should be picked up right? |
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| 07:13.37 | KenYoung | Is there a reason why the icons for applications under 2008.8 are just abstract images, rather than useful images giving a visual clue to the functionality? |
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| 07:21.26 | linuxxr | http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Embedded-Slackware-Screenshot-15586.html |
| 07:21.32 | Rigolo | raster: ping |
| 07:22.40 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * rb6d1083ac060 10/mickeydbus/ (TODO mdbus): mdbus: fix empty strings as dbus command parameters |
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| 07:23.08 | madwoota | nice screenshot linuxxr |
| 07:23.29 | Guilt | mwester: ur kernel works really nice. |
| 07:23.31 | Guilt | i |
| 07:23.33 | Guilt | 'm having audio on resume issues |
| 07:23.41 | Guilt | the ringing doesnt work, unfortunately |
| 07:23.44 | Guilt | the audio works though |
| 07:23.49 | Guilt | when i try making a call |
| 07:24.21 | wyze | http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Embedded-Slackware-Screenshot-15586.html = No Screenshot Available Yet |
| 07:25.35 | Guilt | and sometimes it freezes up, it wont come back. |
| 07:25.38 | wyze | http://www.neopwn.com/ |
| 07:25.44 | Guilt | the battery is the only down thing in this mobile.. |
| 07:27.09 | linuxxr | that was too funny |
| 07:28.11 | Infoport | Rigolo: did you bring your phone up with the "old" method of echo into resolv.conf |
| 07:28.24 | linuxxr | maybe alsa |
| 07:28.37 | Rigolo | not yet ... still reading throug scripts and stuff to see what it is doing ... |
| 07:28.53 | Infoport | WOW a guide for 2008.8 (needs to be filled!!) It answers how to ype a "space" though! http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Guide |
| 07:29.06 | Infoport | how to type a "space" |
| 07:29.26 | Rigolo | also see if I can chat with raster, he worked on resolvconf on ASU I noticed |
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| 07:33.27 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r05d2d3099bef 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: mdbus: shuffle string logic around |
| 07:34.36 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:37.14 | Infoport | it looks like the Openmoko mediaplayer works on 2008.8, and has a file manager to traverse directories (unlike the qtopia mediaplayer) |
| 07:38.09 | Infoport | the OM2008.8 Guide also explains how to type backspace! (slide finger left) I could have used that info before now :-/ |
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| 07:48.32 | lpotter | Qtopia finds your media for you |
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| 07:52.44 | KenYoung | Is there a reason why the icons for applications under 2008.8 are just abstract images, rather than useful images giving a visual clue to the functionality? |
| 07:53.19 | Infoport | lpotter: do you have to put it somewhere special, or is there a "find" function I need to run? |
| 07:54.19 | malik1972 | lpotter: hello, did you removed the handwriting input method in the new images? |
| 07:54.37 | Infoport | KenYoung: my guess is that new icons are needed and those were quick. A few items have a meaningful icon (Qtopia Contacts looks like person, Divinity Wifi has the "waves", Location is a map) |
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| 07:55.38 | malik1972 | Inforport: there is a document icon on the lower right in the applications, normally it scans all available docs |
| 07:55.40 | lu_zero | btw how to enable wifi on 2008.8? |
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| 07:56.13 | KenYoung | Infoport, I guess that's right, but the "Contacts" person is pretty abstract still. I thing the icons from 2007.2 were an awful lot cleaner - I wonder why they didn't use those. |
| 07:57.16 | malik1972 | lpotter: yesterday i had problems running qtopia with the newer kernel as it removed my sdhc partition table for at least 3 times after a reboot |
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| 07:59.51 | malik1972 | lpotter: one question arised from asu, can i rip of the german dictionary your qtopia 4.x distribution and use it in 2008.8? |
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| 08:18.25 | lpotter | Infoport: in ~/Documents or on the sd card, or you can add an entry into Storage.conf |
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| 08:21.17 | lpotter | malik1972: did you use that? I can put it back in, just took it out for the upcoming 4.3.3 release |
| 08:22.01 | lpotter | malik1972: what do you mean removed the partition table? Qtopia shouldnt even touch that |
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| 08:23.38 | malik1972 | lpotter: i use the new qtopia image but now with an old kernel of mwester |
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| 08:24.48 | malik1972 | lpotter: there is a kernel bug http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg22420.html concerning the lost of sd partition tables |
| 08:25.21 | malik1972 | lpotter: sure, the handwriting input method is a quite useful method |
| 08:28.55 | malik1972 | lpotter: it happened to often yesterday so i switched back to an older kernel, but i booted before into 2008.8 with another kernel and after a shutdown from qtopia in nand i lost the partition table |
| 08:29.02 | hipitihop_ | hello all, can someone please confirm if the best setup for an SD based boot is fat + ext3 otherwise what is the simplest setup ? |
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| 08:29.47 | malik1972 | hipitihop_ it works for me fat+ext3+ext3+ext3 |
| 08:29.56 | lpotter | malik1972: I was wondering where all my files in the sd card went :) |
| 08:31.01 | hipitihop_ | malik1972, thanks, I havealready setup fat + ext2 and tared but now learn that ext3 is simpler to use out of the box. I'm happy to start again. Is that what you would recommend so that I don't have to modify uboot options etc ? |
| 08:31.24 | malik1972 | lpotter: i thought i was the only one:-) repartitioning solves this issue but not with fat partitions:-) |
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| 08:32.11 | hipitihop_ | malik1972, I also thought I saw someone mention that fat was also no longer needed but I could have missunderstood |
| 08:32.13 | malik1972 | hipitihop_: i had to modify it, there is a thread in the mailing list delaing with this |
| 08:32.24 | lpotter | i thought I had just put in one of my other cards without any files on it. |
| 08:32.40 | hipitihop_ | malik1972, sorry to be a pain, link ? |
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| 08:34.43 | malik1972 | hipithop_ one moment. with newer uboot versions you should be able to use ext2, i tried it without success as i use multiple partitions |
| 08:35.37 | hipitihop_ | malik1972, there is no drama for me to start again it is only a few minutes work so it does not have to be ext2 if that's not th esimplest route...simply following wiki page for sd based boot |
| 08:36.05 | malik1972 | lpotter: did you dropped mwesters kernel? what about the wifi improvements? |
| 08:36.21 | malik1972 | hipitihop_ i can post my uboot env |
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| 08:37.53 | hipitihop_ | malik1972, I'd rather not stuff with env if possible...sorry if you will be about later I'll pick this thread up, unfortunately timing is lousy and I have to go to dinner |
| 08:38.31 | malik1972 | hipitihop_ http://pastebin.com/d1d3a3f27 |
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| 08:39.34 | lu_zero | the addressbook application isn't importing vcf -_- |
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| 08:39.50 | lu_zero | the old openmoko one was working fine... |
| 08:43.47 | Infoport | I used a previous USB Networking guide (<July 26) and now it has a different method, with the script starting "allow-hotplug usb0". That change to /etc/networking/interfaces doesn't seem to work for me...any ideas? |
| 08:45.18 | lu_zero | Infoport here worked as should |
| 08:46.10 | Infoport | I think there must be a mix of the methods making it not work |
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| 08:47.26 | zogs | how can add icon-apps on 2008.8? |
| 08:47.38 | zogs | where is the path ? |
| 08:48.43 | KenYoung | zogs, Are you asking in which directory the application icons are stored? |
| 08:48.54 | zogs | yep |
| 08:49.11 | KenYoung | I think it's /usr/share/pixmaps/ |
| 08:49.41 | zogs | thanks |
| 08:50.56 | zogs | sorry not icons |
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| 08:57.24 | Infoport | so the new USB Networking method requires no changes on the phone's /etc/networking/interfaces ? |
| 08:57.35 | lu_zero | Infoport depends |
| 08:57.47 | lu_zero | how is your network setting on the host pc? |
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| 08:58.54 | lu_zero | I simply rewrote the settings |
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| 08:59.13 | dns53 | has anyone used the agps script? |
| 08:59.32 | Infoport | lu_zero: that page changed drastically after July-25. It worked for me before (using old Ubuntu method) but I am trying to update to new method http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others |
| 08:59.52 | lu_zero | Infoport unsure |
| 09:00.15 | lu_zero | I made the thing on moko quite manually and configure the gentoo side on my own |
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| 09:01.25 | lu_zero | hmm looks like the proposed configuration is a bit overcomplicated |
| 09:04.06 | nielsle | http://trac.freesmartphone.org/timeline gives internal server error 500 |
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| 09:04.29 | malik1972 | lpotter: how can i avoid automatically generated spaces in the predictive input method? |
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| 09:06.28 | lpotter | hold down the letter |
| 09:07.35 | Infoport | lu_zero: it seems that the manual stuff in the new version works for me, but not the auto-- I have to run the manual commands again after unplug/plug |
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| 09:10.40 | Infoport | lu_zero: actually, I have to re-run command "ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200" for Ubuntu to re-find FR |
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| 09:20.28 | Infoport | weird... I changed back to old method for USB Networking, and that works after unplug/re-plug |
| 09:21.37 | Infoport | old method contains a setting "network 192.168.0.0" but new method (Ubuntu) doesn't (and doesn't work..hmm?) |
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| 09:25.04 | lu_zero | Infoport try to manually set it |
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| 09:33.43 | VDVsx | here is the git repo for the Om 2008.08 distro ? |
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| 09:35.42 | Infoport | lu_zero: where should I try to set NETWORK? |
| 09:36.58 | Infoport | lu_zero: ifconfig doesn't show an inet address after re-plug unless I give it again using "ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200" |
| 09:37.14 | Infoport | that is, no inet address for usb0 |
| 09:37.40 | lu_zero | Infoport so hotpluging is the issue |
| 09:37.43 | cga | hi all |
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| 09:38.13 | cga | can anyone please paste here the vendor ID for the neo1973??? (for freerunner is 0x1d50:0x5119) i need it for a script i'm doing |
| 09:38.25 | cga | you can find out with dfu-util --list |
| 09:38.26 | Infoport | lu_zero: yes. it wasn't with the "auto usb0" method, but is a problem with the "allow-hotplug usb0" methods |
| 09:38.34 | cga | hi Infoport |
| 09:38.41 | Infoport | hiya cga! |
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| 09:38.57 | cga | do you want to see a backup script i'm doing? |
| 09:39.15 | cga | now i'm about to auto recognise the device and prompt the user with its name |
| 09:39.46 | cga | when the device and a backup dir are chosen the backup starts |
| 09:39.50 | Infoport | lu_zero: I guess yours works fine with the newer "allow-hotplug usb0" instructions? |
| 09:40.02 | lu_zero | I'm using gentoo |
| 09:40.18 | lu_zero | so baselayout is doing eveything as usual |
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| 09:41.55 | Infoport | lu_zero: I have gentoo on my desktop (other boot) but I got tired of letting it compile basic stuff for me (time consuming) |
| 09:42.20 | Infoport | lu_zero: although it ran like a Swiss watch |
| 09:42.30 | lu_zero | good to know =) |
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| 09:44.21 | rtyler | is it just me or are the daily's of the om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 totally broken -_- |
| 09:44.26 | rtyler | there's junk in /etc/profile |
| 09:44.34 | rtyler | and then none of the images seem to properly load >_< |
| 09:44.37 | Infoport | cga: you mean me? sure I'd love to see the script! |
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| 09:44.38 | cga | rtyler, you have a 9173? |
| 09:44.46 | cga | yes Infoport |
| 09:45.03 | rtyler | a 1973 even ;) |
| 09:45.19 | cga | Infoport, http://pastey.net/93412 (right now i'm modifying it to show the names of the FR and 73 instead of hex) |
| 09:45.33 | cga | rtyler, can you paste here the vendor ID for the 73 please? |
| 09:46.02 | rtyler | where might I find that? |
| 09:46.10 | cga | dfu-util --list |
| 09:46.19 | cga | for freerunner is 0x1d50:0x5119 |
| 09:46.27 | cga | i need the 1973 one for the scritp |
| 09:46.33 | cga | *script |
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| 09:46.41 | rtyler | hold on, let me shut it down |
| 09:46.47 | cga | thanks alot =) |
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| 09:47.59 | cga | Infoport, the script works but i don't understand why it doesn't write any file yet XD |
| 09:48.05 | rtyler | Found Runtime: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" |
| 09:48.14 | cga | that's free runner |
| 09:48.41 | cga | oh no |
| 09:48.43 | rtyler | I'm looking at the device right in front of me |
| 09:48.46 | cga | is different |
| 09:48.48 | rtyler | guarantee it's a 1973 ;) |
| 09:48.52 | cga | thanks =) |
| 09:48.57 | Infoport | cga: here is a page with vendor IDs and product IDs http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Product_IDs |
| 09:49.05 | cga | i tthanks Infoport |
| 09:49.51 | cga | thanks rtyler too =) |
| 09:50.17 | jOERG_rw | Dave: ping? |
| 09:50.35 | Infoport | cga: unfortunately, it seems to be same for 1973 and Freerunner. the Vendor ID should be the same anyway |
| 09:50.47 | rtyler | cga: thanks for what? you fixin' bugs? :D |
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| 09:52.41 | cga | Infoport, it's not the same. it's vendor id 0x1457 / 0x1d50 for 1973/Free Runner , the product id is the same tough |
| 09:52.50 | cga | but they are too many :p |
| 09:53.00 | cga | now i'm getting mad |
| 09:53.46 | cga | rtyler, well i'm not fixing bugs. i hope i was able to code and contribute.... i'm just writing a bash script to backup |
| 09:54.14 | rtyler | bah, so i've been just a guinea pig for you |
| 09:54.16 | rtyler | drats |
| 09:54.20 | cga | lol |
| 09:54.42 | cga | well i'm sure you'd like to use my script once ready :P |
| 09:55.07 | rtyler | what does it do, fix my issues? |
| 09:55.13 | rtyler | otherwise, Id on't care |
| 09:55.15 | rtyler | :D |
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| 09:56.18 | cga | rtyler, gh |
| 09:56.44 | ConfidentiaL | where do I add files to get them to show up in the qtopia media player? |
| 09:56.50 | cga | rtyler, thanks, it's good to know you appreciate my efforts :P |
| 09:57.16 | rtyler | I don't even know what your efforts are, but I'm sure that I appreciate them |
| 09:57.20 | rtyler | or something like that |
| 09:57.45 | cga | eh eh |
| 09:58.25 | ceda | hi, I left my freerunner connected to the USB port during the night and now when I got back it's completely dead |
| 09:58.28 | Infoport | cga: dfu-util --list isn't giving me anything about my Freerunner :-( |
| 09:58.39 | torindel | is back |
| 09:58.43 | cga | is it in NOR or NAND ? |
| 09:58.45 | ceda | i've connected it to the charger but it doesn't wake up |
| 09:58.55 | rtyler | ceda: have you tried shaking it a bit |
| 09:58.59 | rtyler | maybe offering it some toast? |
| 09:59.03 | rtyler | ducks |
| 09:59.14 | cga | Infoport, is it in NOR or NAND or powered up? |
| 09:59.14 | rtyler | ceda: seriously though you've done the battery swap and such? |
| 09:59.25 | Infoport | cga just the header stuff from the dfu-util program. it is in NAND, and I can ssh into it |
| 10:00.16 | cga | Infoport, mmmmm i need to try it from NAND , i'm using NOR for my script and backup. thanks for feedback |
| 10:01.04 | Infoport | cga: right now in OM2007 in NAND, updated regularly. has OM2008.8 on SD (not currently booted) |
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| 10:02.30 | cga | Infoport, ok. can you believe i didn't "install" anything yet??? i still have to flash SD with FSO, ASU Qtopia... i wanted to backup first and after that i sstarted this script.... |
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| 10:02.59 | cga | oh yes.... before i borked my mouse or something likely... |
| 10:03.19 | cga | using dfu-util on a device vendor ID 0x413c:0x8127 |
| 10:03.29 | cga | which is DELL $unknown |
| 10:03.45 | cga | i hope is only the mouse and not something else |
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| 10:04.39 | cga | that's why i'm trying to make it easy to chose the device from hex vendor id.... so people don't make my mistake |
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| 10:06.00 | Infoport | well, from that page, the vendor ID for Neo/FR will always be the combo of FICs id and OpenMoko's id (so it will only show it is one of the hardware from OM) |
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| 10:07.07 | Infoport | cga: I borked several things trying to follow wiki, and had to get a good backup of gsmhandset.state to I could hear or send sound in calls...I'd call backup a Good Thing |
| 10:08.26 | Infoport | cga: odd, it doesn't give me any info when booted into OM2008.8 on SD. I'll see if NOR works for me |
| 10:09.13 | cga | Infoport, ok thanks alot =) "backup first" is TEH rule not to get mad at some error XD |
| 10:10.31 | cga | Infoport, yes.. and since the device is always either 0x1457 or 0x1d50 followed by the product id , i think i'm going to use only the vendor id in the script. so i don't have to add many lines in the script |
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| 10:12.51 | Infoport | cga: I don't seem to get any info from "sudo ./dfu-util --list" even booted into NOR. Is that the whole command? |
| 10:13.31 | cga | Infoport, it works here. strange. yes dfu-util --list is the right cmd |
| 10:13.53 | cga | are you using it stand alone or with the script? |
| 10:14.01 | Infoport | cga: *sigh* I guess this falls under YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary) |
| 10:14.21 | cga | mmm i don't think so even if it seems like it |
| 10:14.32 | Infoport | cga: trying using it stand alone before I tried script (but I read over it) |
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| 10:14.59 | cga | Infoport, i see |
| 10:15.10 | Infoport | cga: all I get is the dfu-util header stuff from any boot (NAND, NOR, SD) |
| 10:15.13 | cga | rolls the "thinking better cigartte" :P |
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| 10:15.32 | cga | Infoport, give me a sec and i show you my output |
| 10:16.27 | Infoport | cga: I used dfu-util to flash a new uBoot.bin, that could boot from ext2+ext2 on SD, so it worked OK a few days ago |
| 10:17.02 | cga | Infoport, i trust you on this. i'm not saying that it doesn't work. lemme show you the output |
| 10:17.37 | cga | Infoport, /query? |
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| 10:18.23 | rtyler | crap, anybody running FSO milestone 2 |
| 10:18.30 | rtyler | no booting of X11? |
| 10:18.33 | rtyler | crapola |
| 10:18.58 | Infoport | cga: i see good output on the Dfu-util page (and I backed up stuff, except rootfs once too) |
| 10:19.14 | cga | Infoport, with script? |
| 10:19.34 | Infoport | cga: no, with the separate commands, and rootfs failed |
| 10:19.37 | cga | Infoport, have you seen my output in the query? |
| 10:19.40 | rtyler | you're useless cga :p |
| 10:19.43 | rtyler | ducks |
| 10:19.55 | rtyler | but now I'm really curious about this script |
| 10:20.00 | cga | Infoport, ok i see. btw rootfs always faiis due to a bug. |
| 10:20.29 | cga | rtyler, http://pastey.net/93412 (atm is like that, now i'm trying to get the names instead of hex code to chose from) |
| 10:21.19 | Infoport | cga: yes! it looks good. unfortunately, the stuff I borked before would be in filesystem. Improving the backup process needed anyway though |
| 10:21.51 | cga | Infoport, what looks good? |
| 10:22.01 | Dave | zomg |
| 10:22.04 | Dave | RTYLER |
| 10:22.06 | rtyler | are there situations where one might have more than one device attached? why not preselect the initial device? |
| 10:22.13 | rtyler | oh crap, it's dave |
| 10:22.18 | Dave | :D |
| 10:22.30 | Dave | Come to the darkside have we? |
| 10:22.50 | rtyler | I've been on the darkside, which is why I have a measley 1973 and you a freerunner :) |
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| 10:22.57 | cga | rtyler, yes tehy are indeed... for example i got a dell something there and i borked it using dfu-util on it..... that's wjy i'm doing this script... so people don't make my mistake |
| 10:23.15 | rtyler | cga: o_O Dell something |
| 10:23.21 | rtyler | that's almost always unwelcome ;) |
| 10:23.43 | cga | rtyler, Infoport i'll be back in 10 minutes , my bro need me for cutting his hair. |
| 10:23.46 | ceda | rtyler: yes. I've removed the battery, tried different SIM cards |
| 10:23.55 | cga | rtyler, i say dell from the vendor:product IDs |
| 10:23.57 | Infoport | cga: I'd say put in the Openmoko name, and maybe repeat the device back after they choose, for confirmation |
| 10:24.28 | cga | Infoport, that's what i'm trying to do... get the hex for FR and 73 -> show the names instead of hex |
| 10:24.35 | cga | gotta go now. bbl |
| 10:24.52 | Infoport | cga: at first, even just Openmoko Neo, and not USB device |
| 10:25.51 | cga | Infoport, well i'm thinking more of 1: Free Runner 2: 1973 3: Other device: DON'T TOUCH |
| 10:25.53 | rtyler | Dave: find me a good bloody image that works on the 1973 |
| 10:26.01 | rtyler | FSO milestone 2 has no X11 |
| 10:26.12 | rtyler | X11-qtopia is broken |
| 10:26.31 | ceda | rtyler: the one thing I did differently this time was that when I left the FR on when going to bed, it was in USB host mode |
| 10:26.56 | christ | I've flashed 2008.8 onto my phone (I finally figured out that -D and -U do _exactly_ what I wasn't expecting...). I've seen talk about a 'graphical installer', but I can't see it. All I see is 'Contact', 'dialer', 'messages', 'settings' and 'sudoku'. Any pointers? |
| 10:27.50 | Infoport | cga: crap, I think it was because I booted each, and not "Set console to USB" before querying with dfu-util |
| 10:28.33 | cga | Infoport, cool to know |
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| 10:29.36 | cga | Infoport, can you check with it? anyway i'm not redirecting the console and everything gets showed on the NOR |
| 10:29.45 | cga | well... |
| 10:30.27 | cga | Infoport, as said on the wiki here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup (on the pc, on the neo) |
| 10:30.31 | Dave | rtyler, ah! :) |
| 10:30.42 | Infoport | cga: I get output if I stay in NOR menu! Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=113, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
| 10:30.55 | cga | Infoport, yay! |
| 10:31.20 | Infoport | cga: that is how I figured it out:-D I followed that before for Flashing of course |
| 10:31.22 | cga | later i try the NAND |
| 10:31.44 | Dave | Tyler, I'm guessing you don't want to try the [pure] qtopia image, do you? |
| 10:32.14 | cga | rtyler, so... did you look/try the script? |
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| 10:32.24 | rtyler | Dave: I don't care so long as it works |
| 10:32.29 | Dave | Oh, okay :) |
| 10:32.34 | Dave | Works as what, a phone/pda? |
| 10:32.37 | Dave | :) |
| 10:33.00 | rtyler | I'm past caring about the idelogies involved and just desire to feel like I didn't waste $300 on a brick |
| 10:33.43 | Dave | Tyler - http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 |
| 10:33.56 | Dave | Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo 1973 (gta01) |
| 10:34.16 | Dave | Version: 4.3.2 snapshot 07140000 (2008/8/8) |
| 10:34.20 | Dave | Get that :) |
| 10:34.28 | Dave | It -works- :) |
| 10:34.35 | Dave | You can make calls and everything! |
| 10:35.33 | rtyler | Dave: do you flash the same way with dfu-util? |
| 10:35.39 | rtyler | dfu-util -a rootfs and all? |
| 10:36.10 | Dave | yep |
| 10:36.41 | Dave | don't forget to flash the qtopia kernel too :P (both images come in that tarball) |
| 10:38.50 | Infoport | cga: I am able to query with dfu-util from the NAND boot menu also! |
| 10:39.01 | rtyler | Dave: what the hell are you doing up so late |
| 10:39.08 | Dave | or early! |
| 10:39.09 | cga | Infoport, great. try the script there if you please |
| 10:39.20 | Dave | I went to bed at like 9pm :p |
| 10:39.31 | rtyler | Dave: ah, looks like you're still east coast too |
| 10:39.34 | rtyler | that's too bad :)( |
| 10:39.40 | Dave | yeah :( |
| 10:40.07 | Dave | I have to be in SF one Sep 1st though for a business meeting |
| 10:41.21 | Dave | Hmm, I need to pimp this qtopia freerunner out later with some delightful images or something. |
| 10:41.43 | Infoport | cga: hmm.. the "Download and save" link doesn't seem to do anything...would it be puttin that download automatically somewhere? using Firefox in Ubuntu. (guess I can just cut-n-paste) |
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| 10:42.09 | cga | Infoport, ?? download and save? |
| 10:42.27 | cga | Infoport, on pastey? |
| 10:42.52 | cga | well i'm planning to put it in the wiki when it's ready |
| 10:42.59 | Dave | por Zorkman |
| 10:43.09 | cga | for now i use pastey to show it and get feedback |
| 10:43.20 | Dave | cga, what does this script do anyway? You've been going on about it all night :P |
| 10:43.30 | Dave | It backs up your NAND or something? |
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| 10:44.13 | cga | Dave, it basically backup... (rootfs kernl splash etc...) but before it asks you 1 the device to backup, 2 the dir wehere to backup |
| 10:44.32 | Dave | are you saying on the phone or externally? |
| 10:44.40 | Dave | and how is this much better than dfu-util? :) |
| 10:44.41 | cga | phone -> pc |
| 10:44.44 | Dave | ah |
| 10:44.49 | cga | it uses dfu-util |
| 10:44.53 | Dave | :P |
| 10:44.55 | Dave | okay |
| 10:44.59 | cga | =) |
| 10:45.08 | Dave | just alleviates much of the confusion having to deal directly with dfu-util? |
| 10:45.14 | cga | kind of |
| 10:45.17 | Dave | which I agree is somewhat a pain in the ass :P |
| 10:45.20 | cga | it's automated |
| 10:45.24 | Dave | yeah yeah |
| 10:45.56 | cga | you can have a look/go at it if you please :P |
| 10:46.09 | Dave | Yeah yeah, I know |
| 10:46.23 | Dave | I've been avoiding it for twelve hours... |
| 10:46.33 | Dave | I think I'll keep avoiding it even now, thanks :) |
| 10:46.36 | cga | lol && this is as is atm: http://pastey.net/93412 , now i'm trying to get it easier and complete |
| 10:46.53 | Dave | complete might be a good idea :P |
| 10:47.00 | cga | eh eh =) |
| 10:47.52 | Dave | Tyler, let me know how it goes, after you are done flashing/booting; though don't defer your dissatisfaction onto me :) |
| 10:48.02 | cga | Dave, you can help me with one doubt i guess... |
| 10:48.03 | Infoport | cga: yeah the download and save link on pastey was confusing...I cut-n-pasted and trying it now |
| 10:48.53 | cga | Dave, when i boot in NOR or NAND i always am in [0x1457||0x1d50]:0x5119 Neo1973/FreeRunner u-boot usbtty CDC ACM Mode ??? |
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| 10:49.01 | cga | Infoport, thanks = |
| 10:49.07 | Infoport | what is a good Linux editor that can do vertical selections? |
| 10:49.18 | Dave | cga - I don't believe so! |
| 10:49.36 | cga | arf |
| 10:49.40 | Dave | Oh well, you mean the usb tty mode? |
| 10:49.45 | Dave | that the pc can connect to? |
| 10:49.50 | cga | nope |
| 10:49.52 | Dave | I believe that is the same |
| 10:49.56 | alphaone | Infoport: vim |
| 10:50.03 | Dave | but the actual coded mode is not |
| 10:50.15 | Dave | it's definitely NOT the same bootloader, I don't think :x |
| 10:50.18 | Dave | hey alphaone :) |
| 10:50.31 | alphaone | morning |
| 10:50.36 | cga | Dave, when i use dfu-util --list in NOR i always get 0x1d50:0x5119 for FR... that's why i'm asking |
| 10:50.38 | Dave | yeah yeah, don't remind me :P |
| 10:50.49 | Dave | oh |
| 10:51.04 | Dave | cga, and what do you get in NAND? |
| 10:51.06 | Infoport | cga: I get this error "backupOM.sh: 17: dfu-util: not found", both when I give the full path and with ./dfu-util (in same dir as script) |
| 10:51.07 | Dave | :D |
| 10:51.22 | Dave | heehee |
| 10:51.24 | cga | Dave, not tried NAND yet |
| 10:51.38 | Dave | :] |
| 10:51.38 | cga | Infoport, darn |
| 10:52.20 | Dave | That reminds me... where IS Joerg? |
| 10:52.23 | Dave | hmmm |
| 10:52.38 | jOERG_rw | what do you think where I am? |
| 10:52.47 | Infoport | how about a graphical editor? I had one with tabs for each doc, but seem to have lost it (Kate?) |
| 10:52.48 | Dave | :D |
| 10:52.50 | cga | Infoport, line 17 it's not the var |
| 10:52.55 | Dave | Hiding, from us :) |
| 10:53.13 | cga | Infoport, gedit on gnome will be fine |
| 10:53.18 | cga | kate on kde too |
| 10:53.18 | Dave | Infoport, there are many, I believe Kate is one of them (if you do the KDE thing)... |
| 10:53.33 | Dave | but not okay on the freerunner :P |
| 10:53.43 | Dave | even though *shudder*... someone's already ported emacs :P |
| 10:53.49 | cga | omfg |
| 10:53.53 | Dave | Though I don't believe it has tabs. :p |
| 10:53.54 | jOERG_rw | Dave: hiding? LOL! I'm working do produce better hardware for all of you ;-) |
| 10:54.05 | Dave | Joerg, aah ;D |
| 10:54.13 | Dave | Well, thank you then :) |
| 10:54.34 | Dave | gives Joerg his thanks, plus his broken batteries and broken freerunner. |
| 10:54.40 | jOERG_rw | guess we found the bug with GSM-noise :-) the odds are good |
| 10:54.47 | Dave | gsm-noise? |
| 10:54.58 | Dave | Is that what was responsible for fucking up my CRT monitor at work? |
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| 10:55.07 | Dave | :\ |
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| 10:55.42 | RXShorty | Hello all... Question. Is 2008.8 the new stable version? |
| 10:55.55 | Dave | It's supposed to be :) |
| 10:56.01 | RXShorty | heh |
| 10:56.03 | RXShorty | sweet |
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| 10:56.14 | Dave | yep |
| 10:56.17 | Infoport | added Kate (even in GNOME! was in Ubuntu Synaptic, easy) |
| 10:56.18 | jOERG_rw | Dave: |
| 10:56.19 | jOERG_rw | [2008-08-10 08:15] <jOERG_rw> knock on wood - we killed noise issue MAYBE yesterday. So I need a new bugger ;-) |
| 10:56.19 | jOERG_rw | [2008-08-10 08:15] <abraxa_> jOERG_rw: MAYBE meaning that someone needs to confirm it? If so, who does that, if not you? |
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| 10:56.33 | RXShorty | How is the improvement comparing with 2007.*? |
| 10:56.46 | cga | Infoport, any good news? |
| 10:57.03 | Dave | Joerg, did I tell you my monitor story last night though? |
| 10:57.12 | jOERG_rw | nope |
| 10:57.17 | Dave | Though the concensus was that it was likely gsm noise responsible. |
| 10:57.19 | Dave | -_- |
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| 10:57.29 | cga | Infoport, well try to use ${DFU} instead of dfu-util on line 17 |
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| 10:58.46 | Dave | I was at work with a freerunner plugged into the same power strip as a PC and it's CRT monitor, letting it charge there. But frequently while I worked, while it was just sitting there charging, my monitor would fuck up, get all wavy and funky then go back to normal... it almost looked like it was being surged... :x |
| 10:58.54 | kgoetz | hi all. i've been getting 404's from my FR when trying to upgrade 20080806 daily. has anyone else experianced this or know where to point my configs to? |
| 10:59.03 | cga | Infoport, i modified it to work with the var and not hardcoded |
| 10:59.26 | Dave | kgoetz, yeah, another dir on buildhost, it's been relocated, most likely. |
| 11:00.06 | Dave | Actually 20080806 is still there |
| 11:00.15 | kgoetz | Dave: fair enough. i'll have to wait until i reflash the FR to 08.08 tomorrow then |
| 11:00.41 | Dave | kgoetz, http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080806/ everything seems to be there... |
| 11:00.52 | Dave | I'm not sure what is 404'ing for you. |
| 11:01.00 | Dave | Joerg, what do you think (of my story)? |
| 11:01.12 | jOERG_rw | strange |
| 11:01.12 | kgoetz | Dave: eg, * Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/fic-gta02/Packages.gz, error 404 |
| 11:01.40 | cga | Infoport, try this: http://pastey.net/93432 |
| 11:01.46 | jOERG_rw | though the interference would actually happen with every cellhone sitting at same place |
| 11:02.00 | Dave | Joerg, yeah, I was kind of scared a bit when it kept happening, thinking that somehow many the freerunner charger might be responsible... but it didn't seem logical, since it's draw is rather small, comparatively. |
| 11:02.21 | Dave | Joerg, right, and I've never had that happen with either of my two main phones sitting right next to me :P |
| 11:02.29 | Dave | and the power there isn't *that* bad :P |
| 11:02.44 | jOERG_rw | ¿¿¿ :-/ ??? |
| 11:02.46 | Dave | it's even conditioned! |
| 11:03.05 | cga | Infoport, i'm going for lunch. catch you in 20 mins |
| 11:03.05 | jOERG_rw | sure that's no issue with mans power |
| 11:03.09 | Dave | Joerg, more mystery? |
| 11:03.10 | jOERG_rw | *mains |
| 11:03.16 | Infoport | cga: seem better now, although name says "UNDEFINED" (but by IDs it is OM) |
| 11:03.32 | rtyler | Dave: bootin the Qtopia image, this better be good, else you're fired :p |
| 11:03.47 | jOERG_rw | Dave: switch with "mystery" and "more mystery"? :-D |
| 11:03.49 | cga | Infoport, well that's not my fault. dfu-util sometimes does that to me too. i don't know why |
| 11:04.23 | Dave | kgoetz, heh, it's om-gta02/ |
| 11:04.40 | Dave | just fix your feed then do an opkg upgrade to fix your repos :) |
| 11:04.40 | cga | gone for lunch |
| 11:04.54 | Dave | Tyler, okay! :D |
| 11:05.08 | Dave | Joerg, oy, not what I wanted! :P |
| 11:05.09 | kgoetz | Dave: 'just' fix it? fix it to what? ;) |
| 11:05.16 | Dave | I have enough mysterious power issues as it is :| |
| 11:05.43 | rtyler | No Network! fscking trolltech |
| 11:05.44 | Dave | kgoetz, /etc/opkg/*.feed |
| 11:05.45 | christ | In the default 2008.8 image, in Settings, Wifi state says 'unknown'. Is that a known issue? |
| 11:06.00 | Dave | Tyler, is your SIM inserted and functional? |
| 11:06.16 | kgoetz | Dave: yes, but what do i change? |
| 11:06.23 | kgoetz | wishes the FR would stop goin to sleep while he was ssh'd in |
| 11:06.36 | Dave | change the fic-gta02/ to om-gta02/ |
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| 11:06.42 | Dave | heehee |
| 11:06.56 | Dave | kgoetz, you can change that too, from the power menu :P |
| 11:07.06 | Dave | Set APM: Disabled |
| 11:07.24 | kgoetz | Dave: that seems a rather hackish way to "fix' the power issue |
| 11:07.32 | Dave | Joerg: My conclusion (regarding the power issues): Needs more Germans! |
| 11:07.35 | kgoetz | (espeically since it says 'dim' not 'turn off') |
| 11:07.45 | Dave | kgoetz *shrug* |
| 11:07.52 | Dave | well it shouldn't be interefering with your ssh session then |
| 11:07.58 | jOERG_rw | Dave: errhmm, probably I lost the context... |
| 11:08.12 | Dave | Die Deutschen! |
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| 11:08.42 | jOERG_rw | Dave: and now I'll meet Wolfgang and Marek to have a mongolian hotpot - whatever that might be :-D |
| 11:08.53 | Dave | haha, okay :D |
| 11:09.00 | Infoport | cga: gave the right name this time... I also had to go into uboot console and change boot_menu_timeout again so it didn't shutoff |
| 11:09.15 | Dave | Joerg, I hope it doesn't hurt ;) |
| 11:09.23 | jOERG_rw | bye :-D |
| 11:09.30 | Dave | Later. |
| 11:09.38 | Dave | farvell |
| 11:09.41 | jOERG_rw | how do you know I don't like it? |
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| 11:10.11 | jOERG_rw | consider: I'm working for OM ;-) |
| 11:10.18 | Dave | :P |
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| 11:10.22 | Dave | hotphone |
| 11:10.31 | Infoport | cga: another thing...I didn't follow my directory path with "/" and it failed. Now running script it thinks there is a device for each section of memory or something (i.e. RAM, u-boot, u-boot_env, etc) |
| 11:10.32 | Dave | I think that aptly describes the freerunner ;) |
| 11:10.38 | Dave | (at 500MHz) |
| 11:10.40 | Dave | hehe |
| 11:10.43 | jOERG_rw | no, "ouch" the whole day long |
| 11:10.44 | Infoport | cga: it must not have reset the mode on the way out |
| 11:10.49 | Dave | :D |
| 11:11.24 | Dave | Tyler, everything working out okay so far? |
| 11:12.02 | jOERG_rw | today I'll celebrate victory of a battle - tomorrow we hope to win the war against GSM-interference noise |
| 11:12.07 | rtyler | Dave: somewhat, Qtopia's interface is horrible |
| 11:12.08 | Infoport | cga: argh, then it wouldnt recognize "Power Off" or "Reboot" from the NOR menu |
| 11:12.10 | Dave | :D |
| 11:12.14 | rtyler | giant icons with no text |
| 11:12.16 | Dave | Tyler, overly childish? |
| 11:12.17 | Dave | :D |
| 11:12.19 | Dave | Yeah |
| 11:12.25 | rtyler | it's like XP |
| 11:12.28 | rtyler | but imagine more retarded |
| 11:12.28 | Dave | Tyler, you can actually change that, I believe. |
| 11:12.35 | Dave | There's an Apps Menu |
| 11:12.40 | Dave | instead of the stupid icons screen |
| 11:12.44 | Dave | though yeah, I agree |
| 11:12.48 | Dave | It's unintuitive. |
| 11:13.12 | Infoport | I don't think I'll wear out the power button first, nor the flash...I'll chip away the case where you open it :-D |
| 11:13.24 | Dave | I figure it was based in part of not having to do many different language revisions, or less work. |
| 11:13.31 | Dave | Then again, perhaps it just sucks, in general :) |
| 11:13.47 | Dave | takes his qtopia phone out of standby to go check |
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| 11:15.49 | Zero_Dogg | how can I permanently up the volume on the microphone? Currently people calling me barely hear me |
| 11:15.58 | Dave | ah, yeah |
| 11:16.12 | Dave | I believe alsamixer |
| 11:16.22 | RXShorty | Dave: you using Qtopia also as default? |
| 11:16.28 | Zero_Dogg | yeah, I did it there, but that appears to only be temporary |
| 11:16.33 | RXShorty | If so which is better to use at the moment? |
| 11:16.48 | Dave | rxshorty, as default? |
| 11:17.01 | Dave | as my primary image of choice? |
| 11:17.05 | RXShorty | yeah as main os... |
| 11:17.07 | Dave | No |
| 11:17.08 | RXShorty | yups |
| 11:17.11 | Dave | GTK :p |
| 11:17.11 | RXShorty | ahh |
| 11:17.14 | RXShorty | :O |
| 11:17.26 | Dave | yeah |
| 11:17.42 | Dave | It has less that it can do that the Nice Qtopia image |
| 11:18.05 | Dave | but qtopia has less usefulness in my opinion, since I do a lot with drivers and the gps |
| 11:18.20 | Dave | and tango is a gtk app :P |
| 11:18.29 | RXShorty | ahh.. well I am using qtopia at the moment. But seems fair enough. There are not much aps for Qtopia indeed |
| 11:18.40 | Dave | right, also I don't really care to use it as a phone |
| 11:18.46 | RXShorty | LOL |
| 11:18.54 | Dave | so qtopia pretty much loses all it's advantages right there :P |
| 11:19.05 | RXShorty | Indeed heh |
| 11:19.21 | Dave | that, and I can't use wifi in qtopi |
| 11:19.27 | RXShorty | but is the new OM a great improvement? I only worked with the 2007 |
| 11:19.38 | Dave | whenever I go to the internet setting menu and click anything, it freezes my device |
| 11:19.40 | RXShorty | Wifi? It works at the moment, there is a new release |
| 11:19.41 | Dave | -_- |
| 11:19.52 | Dave | oh, did the 20080808 version fix that? |
| 11:19.58 | RXShorty | Yups |
| 11:20.03 | Dave | I was hesitant to try it, because of that |
| 11:20.05 | raster | it works if u manually configure it |
| 11:20.07 | raster | not reliable |
| 11:20.08 | raster | but it works |
| 11:20.13 | Dave | oh, did you experience that before? any of you? |
| 11:20.18 | Dave | heh, hey raster :p |
| 11:20.18 | RXShorty | Same here |
| 11:20.23 | raster | :) |
| 11:20.23 | RXShorty | My froze also |
| 11:20.26 | Dave | AH, okay good |
| 11:20.27 | Dave | :D |
| 11:20.31 | Infoport | cga: there should be a dfu-util command sent to reset (-R) the USB to runtime mode _even_if_/_in_case_ it doesn't save the output files (like when you enter directory incorrectly, etc) |
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| 11:20.37 | Dave | I'll try going into that menu then now :D |
| 11:20.37 | raster | i've had it work on my home wep network |
| 11:20.42 | raster | and on open networks before |
| 11:20.43 | RXShorty | But I am waiting for Qtopia 4.4 |
| 11:20.47 | Dave | oh but does it even have a functional browser? :D |
| 11:20.56 | RXShorty | should be released within a month... And that has a browser |
| 11:21.03 | Dave | oh -_- |
| 11:21.03 | RXShorty | Well you can find FF3 for it |
| 11:21.05 | Dave | bah |
| 11:21.05 | rtyler | this interface is useless without a stylus |
| 11:21.11 | rtyler | touchscreen fail |
| 11:21.14 | Dave | tyler, you don't have one? |
| 11:21.29 | raster | rtyler: well fail if u dont provide a built-in stylus... |
| 11:21.30 | raster | :) |
| 11:21.41 | Dave | right |
| 11:21.42 | RXShorty | Dave: check this: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/10/ |
| 11:21.43 | Dave | I totally agree there |
| 11:21.53 | raster | if u provided one - u'd at least not fail- you expect and design it for a stylus |
| 11:21.53 | raster | :) |
| 11:22.06 | rtyler | this is 2008 not 1996 |
| 11:22.10 | Dave | :D |
| 11:22.22 | Dave | Uhh, clearly you haven't been around long enough to notice |
| 11:22.36 | Dave | as openmoko software development goes forward, progress goes backwards. |
| 11:22.39 | Dave | haha |
| 11:22.43 | raster | rtyler: finger driven ui's are really only goign mainstream in the last 12-24 months |
| 11:22.48 | RXShorty | Hehehe |
| 11:22.55 | rtyler | hands Dave a flame retardant suit |
| 11:22.57 | raster | and 90% of that "mainstreamness" is iphone |
| 11:23.26 | raster | but i'm just being pedantic |
| 11:23.29 | rtyler | yeah I agree, it makes no difference, I've hated styluses always anyways :p |
| 11:23.36 | raster | i just dont like misrepresentation of facts |
| 11:23.37 | rtyler | bought a non-touchscreen smartphone |
| 11:23.45 | raster | the OM ui for at least 2008 is INTENDEd to be used by fingers |
| 11:23.47 | raster | not a stylus |
| 11:23.51 | raster | that is the goal |
| 11:23.52 | rtyler | nods |
| 11:24.18 | Dave | rxshorty, cool :D |
| 11:24.28 | raster | i just am trying to be correct on the facts of ts ui's how recent they are and if u INTEND a stylus to be needed |
| 11:24.29 | raster | etc. |
| 11:24.30 | raster | :) |
| 11:24.37 | cga | Infoport, i'm back |
| 11:24.41 | cga | hey raster =) |
| 11:24.45 | raster | :) |
| 11:24.56 | Dave | throws a blackberry at rtyler |
| 11:25.06 | rtyler | Dave: ditched my BB as soon as possible ;) |
| 11:25.11 | cga | eh |
| 11:25.13 | Dave | Ah :p |
| 11:25.26 | Dave | rxshorty, have you built it yet? |
| 11:25.33 | rtyler | Dave: debating whether I want to try to build MySQL and run our site on my phone >_> |
| 11:25.44 | spydon | Have anyone got any webcam app working in the fr? |
| 11:25.45 | Dave | hah! |
| 11:25.48 | Dave | It could be hot :p |
| 11:27.38 | RXShorty | Dave: not yet |
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| 11:29.11 | Dave | I am going to right now :P |
| 11:29.14 | Dave | or try :| |
| 11:29.35 | Dave | things have a tendancy to explode around here... ESPECIALLY when it comes to fucking mozdev crap :p |
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| 11:30.04 | cga | raster, would you look and try a backup script (sh) i'm writing? |
| 11:30.16 | raster | backup for what? |
| 11:30.21 | cga | free runner |
| 11:30.29 | cga | or 1973 |
| 11:30.46 | raster | i don't really have anything to backup... |
| 11:30.56 | Infoport | cga:cga: I made some corrections (that URL thing is annoying), but you also made the same ones, except for the typo 'bakcup' |
| 11:31.07 | Dave | eh |
| 11:31.14 | raster | my phones just get wholesale reflashed |
| 11:31.17 | cga | raster, it doesn't backup "files" , it backs up the NAND |
| 11:31.22 | raster | not like i USE my FR as a phone... |
| 11:31.28 | Dave | :P |
| 11:31.30 | cga | lol |
| 11:31.45 | cga | Infoport, put it on pastey as a reply |
| 11:31.47 | raster | cga: i just rebuild a new image and flash |
| 11:31.54 | cga | ok |
| 11:31.55 | raster | dont really.. need to back it up... :/ |
| 11:31.59 | Infoport | cga: script worked though! I had to go into uboot and change timeout more than once though, and dfu-util doesn't seem to allow -R without an upload/download |
| 11:32.00 | cga | thanks anyway =) |
| 11:32.00 | Dave | too bad |
| 11:32.01 | raster | i only move forwards |
| 11:32.02 | raster | :) |
| 11:32.05 | Dave | hah |
| 11:32.09 | Dave | touche |
| 11:32.15 | raster | i can test it if u want tho |
| 11:32.22 | raster | but not now |
| 11:32.24 | raster | sunday night |
| 11:32.28 | lu_zero | raster btw could you try to sync contacts? |
| 11:32.29 | Dave | tonight? |
| 11:32.39 | raster | i'm working on code for dict loading/building/lookup |
| 11:32.49 | raster | lu_zero: sync to/from where? |
| 11:32.52 | cga | raster, ok then i'll link you on sunday night. is a work in progress and it will change by then |
| 11:32.57 | lu_zero | sync from vcf file |
| 11:33.00 | raster | i dont have any contacts ... not on the phone |
| 11:33.05 | raster | dont have any vcf files |
| 11:33.08 | raster | or file set |
| 11:33.16 | lu_zero | eh |
| 11:33.19 | raster | cga: ok. cool. |
| 11:33.24 | cga | Infoport, can you show me your code on pastey ? |
| 11:33.32 | Dave | hisses at raster |
| 11:33.49 | raster | grumbles at Dave |
| 11:33.54 | cga | smash Dave the avoider XD |
| 11:34.08 | raster | Dave: yes. tonight. |
| 11:34.17 | Dave | python! |
| 11:34.18 | raster | just doing my own thing. |
| 11:34.19 | Dave | *hiss* |
| 11:34.23 | raster | bah |
| 11:34.24 | raster | python |
| 11:34.25 | raster | pffft |
| 11:34.26 | Dave | moo |
| 11:35.16 | cga | raster, btw: when is sunday night for you? in 7 days? |
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| 11:35.45 | raster | cga: it is right now.. sunday night :) |
| 11:35.52 | Dave | :P |
| 11:35.54 | cga | raster, i don't know where you are located now :P always japan? |
| 11:35.55 | raster | 9:30pm |
| 11:36.00 | raster | sydney |
| 11:36.03 | raster | right now |
| 11:36.03 | Dave | sif :P |
| 11:36.05 | cga | ok raster , then i link you :P |
| 11:36.18 | cga | http://pastey.net/93432 |
| 11:36.28 | Dave | tosses a dropbear at raster |
| 11:36.58 | raster | ooh backup from the pc via dfu-util |
| 11:36.59 | raster | ok |
| 11:37.06 | raster | man thats going to be slow |
| 11:37.11 | cga | eh |
| 11:37.14 | raster | if actual flashing is any indication |
| 11:37.17 | cga | especially for rootfs |
| 11:37.19 | Infoport | cga: it was a reply (thread??) to yours, here http://pastey.net/93433-1zm6 but the you did everything but correct 'bakcup' to 'backup' |
| 11:37.27 | Dave | raster, yep |
| 11:37.27 | raster | i go make a cup of coffee and eat cake while flashing my rootfs |
| 11:37.28 | raster | :) |
| 11:37.37 | Dave | :D |
| 11:38.26 | cga | Infoport, yes it is a reply. what did you change? |
| 11:39.16 | cga | Infoport, only typos? |
| 11:39.17 | Dave | hah, you guys are funny. |
| 11:39.19 | Infoport | cga: the typo, and ${DFU} instead of dfu-util in commands |
| 11:39.27 | jomat | Hm, BACKUP_DIR needs a / at the end? |
| 11:39.36 | Dave | Tyler, so are you not entirely dissatisfied? :) |
| 11:39.48 | cga | Infoport, ok thanks |
| 11:39.54 | Dave | despite the obvious fugliness and blatant need for a stylus. :p |
| 11:40.00 | raster | ih crap |
| 11:40.05 | cga | jomat, you think? (i'm not sure) |
| 11:40.13 | raster | pastey doesnt just save the text |
| 11:40.14 | raster | bah |
| 11:40.16 | raster | useless |
| 11:40.19 | raster | kicks pastey |
| 11:40.26 | Dave | pfft |
| 11:40.30 | Dave | rafb4lyfe yo |
| 11:40.33 | Infoport | cga: now I want to mount that JFFS to see how it went :-) |
| 11:40.37 | rtyler | Dave: this is nice and all, dialing works, etc, no audio however :( |
| 11:40.46 | Dave | no audio!? |
| 11:40.54 | RXShorty | Hmm still no GUI for setting wireless... |
| 11:41.02 | RXShorty | Pitty |
| 11:41.03 | Dave | rxshorty? |
| 11:41.09 | RXShorty | Dave? |
| 11:41.09 | cga | Infoport, ok.. so it did actually wirte a backup??? i don't know why but it doesn't write a file in my dir |
| 11:41.37 | Dave | What are you talking about? Qtopia? |
| 11:41.53 | RXShorty | OM 2008.8 |
| 11:42.11 | RXShorty | I need to flash it though and try. |
| 11:42.53 | Infoport | cga: it failed when I didnt put a trailing '/' on the dir, but worked the last time :-) |
| 11:42.54 | RXShorty | Qtopia has Gui, that also works |
| 11:42.56 | RXShorty | :P |
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| 11:43.09 | cga | Infoport, so is BACKUP_DIR/ |
| 11:43.21 | cga | thanks jomat |
| 11:43.30 | jomat | Change ${BACKUP_DIR}kernel-${DATE}.bin to ${BACKUP_DIR}/kernel-${DATE}.bin |
| 11:43.44 | jomat | np, cga |
| 11:44.00 | raster | ooh down there it is... in plain text |
| 11:44.18 | jomat | /bin/bash isn't available on all systems. |
| 11:44.23 | Infoport | cga: I put /home/me/openmoko/Freerunner/backup/ |
| 11:44.49 | Jarmund | is there a nice ftpd that's working on openmoko yet? |
| 11:44.52 | cga | jomat, i know jomat , do other shells have read built-in? |
| 11:45.07 | jomat | I'm using zsh, it has read |
| 11:45.16 | cga | ok |
| 11:45.19 | jomat | Or, wait... |
| 11:45.27 | cga | trying with /#!bin/sh then |
| 11:45.27 | Infoport | jomat, cga: if you use tab completion when you type the dir, it will put the trailing '/', so you want to deal with that |
| 11:45.45 | cga | Infoport, better to put BACKUP_DIR in read |
| 11:45.54 | cga | *BACKUP_DIR/ |
| 11:45.55 | jomat | But it uses read ... strange. |
| 11:45.57 | Dave | rxshorty, have you built any apps for qt? |
| 11:46.54 | RXShorty | Dave: I had but I flashed my device since the latest image |
| 11:47.06 | RXShorty | but you are aware of qtopia.net? |
| 11:47.10 | Dave | :| |
| 11:47.13 | Dave | bah |
| 11:47.17 | Dave | anything of interest? |
| 11:47.28 | RXShorty | brb... |
| 11:47.38 | Dave | in other news, holy asscrackers, the mozqt source is hugenormous -- what else is new :P |
| 11:49.09 | Infoport | cga: my resulting files are the right size |
| 11:49.18 | cga | cool |
| 11:49.32 | Dave | ten million years later, mozilla will be done compiling... |
| 11:49.33 | cga | the trailing has to be put in the backup commands and not in the read |
| 11:49.47 | cga | otherwise it doesn't asks for dir |
| 11:51.08 | Infoport | cga: I guess you should probably do testing on the entered values before use. There is a command to see if a directory exists too, you could use it on the entry, then entry+'/', or exit |
| 11:51.13 | Zorkman_ | raster: i was that 2008.8 still has a file named "full querty board" |
| 11:51.21 | cga | darn. i don't get asked for backup_dir :| |
| 11:51.33 | Zorkman_ | i renamed this to "default" in the hope of getting the good o'l keyboard bak but didn't work |
| 11:51.34 | raster | it has it |
| 11:51.36 | raster | its installed |
| 11:51.39 | raster | but its not used |
| 11:51.42 | raster | the keyboard is qtopia kbd |
| 11:51.43 | Zorkman_ | do you know a secret way to enable it? |
| 11:51.56 | ceda | rtyler: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery |
| 11:52.02 | raster | there is no supported mechanism to turn that off and replace the qtopia kbd |
| 11:52.09 | ceda | luckily, my son has a Nokia with a BL-5B battery |
| 11:52.21 | Zorkman_ | damn, I was hoping that you maybe left somewhere an ease line of code to comment or edit ;) |
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| 11:53.32 | raster | (as such there is an env var if u patch your init scripts that launch qtopia to set it then qtopia will disable its kbd. and the way asu/2008.8 was done with a theme change u can get back the config spanner icon - tho anything in that menu is unsupported as it was made clear that this was not desired in ASU and the exposure is to be the one and only config tool and that everything is to be done in python in future, so beyond it simply be |
| 11:53.32 | raster | ing a help for me as a developer to work with illume - that menu isnt supported) |
| 11:53.43 | Infoport | cga: ahhh, the 'text' command http://www.unix.com/shell-programming-scripting/19904-check-directory-exist.html |
| 11:54.21 | cga | Infoport, good |
| 11:54.54 | cga | jomat, how's redo in vim? can't remember |
| 11:55.02 | Zorkman_ | thanks for the info raster; hope you will keep being part of the community after the end of august :) |
| 11:55.05 | raster | i'm not really paying any attention to asu/2008.8 beyind watching the feedback and grinning :) |
| 11:55.14 | Dave | Zorkman! |
| 11:55.22 | Zorkman_ | llo Dangerous Dave |
| 11:55.52 | raster | Zorkman_: well depends how much time i have |
| 11:55.58 | cga | raster, any chance to see the wonderful eem on Neo ??? or something likely? |
| 11:56.02 | raster | and what my priorites are |
| 11:56.08 | jomat | ctrl-r, cga |
| 11:56.09 | Zorkman_ | (played a game last night -couldn't sleep after all those lean case studies :)- and it was called Inquisitive Dave, that suits you more :)) |
| 11:56.12 | Dave | now how the hell do I build this? :D |
| 11:56.14 | cga | jomat, thanks |
| 11:56.16 | Dave | Zorkman, cool :D |
| 11:56.19 | raster | cga: no - not eem. but maybe i will do a nice ui... :) |
| 11:56.25 | raster | i did intend to |
| 11:56.30 | cga | \0/ |
| 11:56.32 | Zorkman_ | raster: yeah i understand that of course; maybe a better question is: will you keep using your FR? :) |
| 11:56.33 | jomat | or :red or :redo |
| 11:56.34 | Dave | Zorkman, did you actually ever play DD? (Dangerous Dave)? |
| 11:56.52 | Zorkman_ | Dave: nope, only heard about it |
| 11:56.53 | cga | jomat, thanks again |
| 11:56.57 | Dave | Ah okay :P |
| 11:57.01 | Dave | Yeah, it was awesome! |
| 11:57.09 | Dave | In any case |
| 11:57.11 | raster | but basically it was not going to be practical to do any decent ui stuff within om. so now it's do it in spare time - if i feel like it :) |
| 11:57.16 | Dave | throws qt modules at rxshorty |
| 11:57.21 | raster | Zorkman_: i don't use my fr as-is. :) |
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| 11:57.24 | raster | it's a word object. |
| 11:57.26 | raster | work |
| 11:57.40 | raster | it gets reflashed many times a day |
| 11:57.40 | Zorkman_ | i think that is till the main problem with the phon ^_^ |
| 11:57.43 | raster | its not "usable" |
| 11:57.52 | raster | and even if |
| 11:57.55 | raster | ASU is not usable for me |
| 11:57.55 | jomat | My freerunner... is strange. It switched of while untaring a rootfs on the sd and doesn't want to boot again... |
| 11:58.14 | raster | its a ui that makes me want to use my motorola... |
| 11:58.19 | Ken-Young | raster, WHy is ASU unusable for you? |
| 11:58.26 | raster | and man.. if i WANt to use my motorola... that says something. |
| 11:58.28 | christ | I'm getting a bit frustrated at the moment... Indeed, it is not usable. I tried the 2008.8 image, but I couldn't do WiFi. The image from today (20080810) does have Wifi, but no installer (that I can find)... |
| 11:58.54 | RXShorty | Dave: ouch! hehe |
| 11:58.55 | raster | Ken-Young: keyboard, no ability to change wallpaer (well i have to install a whole new package and ssh in and hack around with files) |
| 11:58.55 | kgoetz | installer? dfu-util surely? |
| 11:58.55 | christ | Is there anyone who has Wifi, GPS and installer working at the moment? |
| 11:59.20 | christ | kgoetz: No, the 'graphical installer' that was spoken of. |
| 11:59.23 | Zorkman_ | christ: 20080810 is niet really == 2008.8; it's more like a daily build of something "ASU-like" (as i understand it :)) |
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| 11:59.31 | raster | dialler/contacts just look like arse, it has great trouble waking up from suspend reliably |
| 11:59.32 | Ken-Young | raster: The only real show-stopper for me is the keyboard. |
| 11:59.34 | kgoetz | christ: oh, wasnt aware of one |
| 11:59.36 | christ | I've seen it in 2008.8. |
| 11:59.43 | raster | last i used it answeing calls was basically impractical |
| 11:59.50 | raster | the audio quality is pretty bad |
| 11:59.55 | christ | But that didn't do Wifi out of the box. |
| 11:59.57 | Infoport | cga: I get an error trying to mount the jffs2 with losetup, per wiki, but I think it is an error with the method http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image |
| 12:00.06 | raster | to the point where unless i am in a dead-quiet room its impossible to hear or be heard. :( |
| 12:00.30 | Dave | rxshorty help me build this thing, will ya? :P |
| 12:00.37 | christ | And, I've been unable to get a reliable networking connection up between my FR and my Mac, whch also didn't help... |
| 12:00.42 | raster | u guys are lucky u can run more than 1 app at once |
| 12:00.48 | Ken-Young | raster, I've used it for two days, had many suspends and resumes from calls, and it sure seems to be the best stack so far for use as a real phone. |
| 12:00.51 | raster | i had a battel fighing for it |
| 12:00.58 | RXShorty | Dave: heh I would if I could :P |
| 12:01.00 | raster | it was desired in the original designs to be 1 app at a time |
| 12:01.03 | Dave | aww |
| 12:01.08 | raster | u close your app then have to start a new one |
| 12:01.13 | christ | raster: Thanks man! I appreciate it! |
| 12:01.16 | Dave | well they're directions are extraordinarily lmited |
| 12:01.19 | Dave | limited |
| 12:01.23 | raster | there was much arguing over that |
| 12:01.33 | cga | Infoport, sorry i don't know. it might be because of the rootfs backup bug in dfu-util? |
| 12:01.44 | Dave | guh |
| 12:01.47 | raster | Ken-Young: and yes "best so far" but not reliable |
| 12:01.50 | Dave | it already failed |
| 12:01.55 | raster | not to replace my normal phone |
| 12:01.56 | RXShorty | true, I think they will release it official over a week or 2 |
| 12:02.25 | Dave | haha |
| 12:02.35 | Dave | shit |
| 12:02.37 | raster | anyway - whatever direction asu/2008.8 and successors take is not something i really am bothered about anymore :) |
| 12:02.39 | Ken-Young | raster: "best do far" is still progress. |
| 12:02.40 | Zorkman_ | Raster: a small question: is there a way to "emulate" a keypress through terminal on the host machine when ssh'd in? |
| 12:02.47 | raster | i don't need to fight for it anyway :) |
| 12:03.06 | raster | Ken-Young: it is progress... but doesnt mean i can use it as my phone |
| 12:03.40 | raster | Zorkman_: hmmm.. well. yes there is - if u write a program and use xlib + xtest extension |
| 12:04.04 | Dave | :o |
| 12:04.20 | Zorkman_ | spanks Dave and yells: code damn you! |
| 12:04.25 | raster | as such thats how the virtual keyboards work |
| 12:04.26 | Zorkman_ | thanks raster |
| 12:04.28 | Infoport | cga: another issue-- when I change 'setenv boot_menu_timeout' and 'saveenv', it writes to NAND, and seems to revert in NOR to 60 sec after reboot |
| 12:04.29 | raster | they fake keypresses to x |
| 12:04.31 | cga | Infoport, can you tell me where did you put the trailing and how ??? i don't manage to write any file, and now it doesn't asks me for backup:dir |
| 12:04.45 | Dave | raster - that's hot. |
| 12:04.58 | Dave | ls |
| 12:05.05 | cga | Infoport, that goes too far for me... i'm not dev and it's not part of the script i guess |
| 12:06.09 | Dave | guh |
| 12:07.21 | lindi- | Zorkman_: i use ssh -g -t -L5900:localhost:5900 freerunner 'chroot /media/card/sid x11vnc -localhost -display :0' |
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| 12:08.14 | lindi- | Zorkman_: that way i can operate openmoko UI remotely |
| 12:08.34 | Dave | wtf? http://rafb.net/p/1EAWFj43.html |
| 12:09.12 | Dave | lindi: kinky |
| 12:09.52 | Zorkman_ | lindi: how do i use that? |
| 12:10.01 | lindi- | Zorkman_: which part is unclear? |
| 12:10.11 | Infoport | cga: I used /home/my_home_dir/openmoko/Freerunner/backup/ which is the dir I made in advance |
| 12:10.14 | raster | hmmm |
| 12:10.32 | cga | Infoport, hardcoded or after the read? |
| 12:10.36 | raster | i wonder if a 2 level dict lookup is enough... |
| 12:10.36 | Infoport | cga: I am trying to put some testing in here, let you know if I succeed |
| 12:10.36 | Dave | What happened with autoconf? |
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| 12:10.46 | Zorkman_ | lindi-: currently on windows machinne and using putty, i logged in to the FR and then i typed it |
| 12:10.50 | cga | Infoport, if you update code share it please =) |
| 12:10.55 | Infoport | cga: that is what I entered at the question, put into $BACKUP_DIR |
| 12:11.03 | raster | probably |
| 12:11.04 | cga | ok |
| 12:11.10 | Zorkman_ | then the root@om-gta02: dissapears and i get only a ">" |
| 12:11.40 | lindi- | Zorkman_: windows machine? |
| 12:11.55 | Zorkman_ | lindi-: yes like in windows xp |
| 12:11.57 | cga | Infoport, but b4 you said you put a / somewhere. is it in read -e BACKUP_DIR? or in actual backup commands? |
| 12:12.14 | cga | i don't know why it doesn't ask me for read now |
| 12:12.15 | lindi- | Zorkman_: no idea then |
| 12:12.30 | Zorkman_ | but dio you issue the command when logged in to the neo? |
| 12:12.37 | cga | Infoport, pastey your working code please.. i'm getting mad |
| 12:12.57 | lindi- | Zorkman_: yes |
| 12:13.04 | lindi- | Zorkman_: but you shouldn't just blindly run it :) |
| 12:13.17 | Zorkman_ | lindi-: i get ssh: exited: Bad TCP forward 'freerunner' |
| 12:13.31 | Zorkman_ | do i change that with the ip of the freerunner? |
| 12:13.33 | lindi- | oh and no, it was run on my PC |
| 12:13.35 | cga | Infoport, "i'm getting mad" doesn't mean to be rude... sorry.... it's just a common saying in italy when you fail. |
| 12:14.21 | Infoport | cga: well, my first try didnt work, because it says dir exists in test without trailing '/' |
| 12:16.21 | cga | Infoport, it would be easier for me to understand by reading the working code. would you please pastey ? |
| 12:16.37 | cga | Infoport, i don't get what you say |
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| 12:17.58 | cga | Infoport, nevermind... i did it =) |
| 12:18.20 | jomat|away | Would something like that help? |
| 12:18.22 | jomat|away | test -z `echo /foo/bar/|grep -r "/$"` && echo trailing no || echo trailing yes |
| 12:18.23 | cga | jomat|away, #!/bin/sh doesn't ask you for read |
| 12:18.35 | Infoport | cga: ok, pastey is updated, but I am trying the test part again with adding the slash FIRST and see if wrong, THEN without |
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| 12:18.43 | cga | Infoport, ok |
| 12:18.44 | jomat|away | I'm out for lunch now, will be back in ~1h |
| 12:19.03 | cga | jomat|away, thanks for that liner, going to try it. enjoy your lunch |
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| 12:19.29 | cga | Infoport, link me please |
| 12:20.02 | Dave | zorkman presumably to whatever 'freerunner' is :P |
| 12:20.52 | Dave | whines at rxshorty |
| 12:21.10 | lindi- | Zorkman_: you are not familiar with openssh and only have putty? |
| 12:21.25 | Zorkman_ | no no lindi-: it's no problem, i'll run it when i boot linux |
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| 12:21.34 | Zorkman_ | but right now i have to right some papers and that I do in windows |
| 12:21.35 | Blalien | Hi, when I try to run a script with commands in 2008.8. I get the following message: 02:~# -sh: dinovo: Permission denied |
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| 12:21.51 | lindi- | Zorkman_: since if you understand both it should be quite easy to port that to work with putty |
| 12:21.57 | Blalien | The name of the script is dinovo |
| 12:22.01 | Zorkman_ | i saved your command and will try it next time on, where i find the terminal more easy |
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| 12:23.05 | Dave | good zorkman :P |
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| 12:24.36 | Infoport | cga: http://pastey.net/93436 (should show on yours as replies?) |
| 12:24.50 | cga | Infoport, thanks, yes |
| 12:26.24 | cga | Infoport, i was thinking of something like: if the directory exist exit 0 else {do you want to create it?"} |
| 12:26.42 | cga | read mkdir |
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| 12:27.30 | Blalien | Why do I get this Permission denied error? When I try to run a script |
| 12:28.43 | Zorkman_ | chmod it? |
| 12:29.53 | cga | Infoport, the trailing is better in backup command, we should concentrate on creating the dir if not exist |
| 12:30.25 | Infoport | cga: I also realized there should be a check for = "" first too, otherwise a trailing slash gives you the root dir |
| 12:30.27 | cga | Infoport, IMHO all that checking is good in concept but not in terms of code usability. i want to keep it siompler as possible |
| 12:31.15 | Infoport | cga: well the way I was trying is to automatically try the trailing slash-- the extra output is just for debug |
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| 12:32.32 | tc | Excuse the random question: If anyone in here speaks Swedish can you tell me what "helgstämning" is in English? Thanks :) |
| 12:33.14 | cga | Infoport, i see =) but if we put the trailing has jomat|away said is better and easier. for example: ${DFU} -d ${HEX} -a kernel -R -U ${BACKUP_DIR}/kernel-${DATE}.bin |
| 12:33.46 | cga | Infoport, that way you don't have to ask user and confuse him |
| 12:35.13 | Infoport | cga: won't that cause a problem if they put the trailing slash (have two slashes together in the command?) |
| 12:35.26 | cga | gonna try that |
| 12:35.48 | Infoport | cga: my test_dir.sh seems to validate with no trailing, one trailing, or even when it tries with two :-( |
| 12:36.05 | cga | Infoport, arf |
| 12:36.13 | cga | Infoport, let me try something |
| 12:36.40 | cga | Infoport, you know what would be very useful?? getting the name of the device instead of the hex |
| 12:38.12 | cga | like getting something like: 0x1457 shown as Neo 1983 and 0x1d50 shown as Free Runner |
| 12:38.20 | cga | adn you chose the device not the hex |
| 12:38.28 | cga | *1973 |
| 12:38.49 | Infoport | cga: here is the newer script-- I am actually running just the test portion as a script when debugging it here |
| 12:38.54 | Infoport | cga: http://pastey.net/93437 |
| 12:40.43 | cga | Infoport, mmm interesting. let me try if the script sees the trailing like i said before. if not we can skip that / checking altogether |
| 12:41.04 | cga | Infoport, and concentrate on creating the dir if not exist |
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| 12:44.21 | Dave | gablagh |
| 12:45.58 | Infoport | cga: I think now the thing to do is test for slash at END of string, using regex (regular expressions) to indicate "at the end" |
| 12:46.10 | Dave | What is this script in, ANYWAY? Bash? |
| 12:46.18 | Dave | (I haven't bothered to even look at it) :p |
| 12:46.20 | cga | Infoport, i'm not that good at scripting... actually it's my first script..... :P |
| 12:46.28 | cga | Dave, yes bash |
| 12:46.37 | Dave | hah |
| 12:46.48 | Dave | Can I rewrite it? |
| 12:47.05 | Dave | Where's the latest version? |
| 12:49.04 | Dave | bashes cga |
| 12:49.51 | cga | Dave, i'm noob |
| 12:50.04 | Dave | :D |
| 12:50.07 | Dave | Where is script? |
| 12:50.09 | Dave | I fix. |
| 12:50.09 | cga | Dave, it's my first script |
| 12:50.13 | Dave | oh, cute ^_^ |
| 12:50.19 | Dave | maybe I won't fix it, then :p |
| 12:50.22 | cga | ok i paste you what i'm trying to do now |
| 12:50.51 | Dave | okay :P |
| 12:51.03 | Dave | i r teh 1337 pearl script0r :p |
| 12:51.26 | Dave | wonders how rtyler is doing.... psychologically. |
| 12:52.51 | cga | Dave, mind you.,... it's just a try right now... especially the mkdir one... http://pastey.net/93438 please don't bash me too much XD |
| 12:53.18 | cga | Dave, you could get the name instead of hex if you please :P |
| 12:53.25 | lindi- | cga: is there some way to download the whole file without javascript? |
| 12:53.26 | cga | i mean code it :P |
| 12:53.31 | cga | lindi-, ? |
| 12:53.44 | Dave | :D |
| 12:53.46 | lindi- | cga: 'Download and save' does not seem to do anything |
| 12:54.03 | cga | nope unfortunately... just copy and paste |
| 12:54.08 | Dave | javascript!? |
| 12:54.10 | Dave | o_o |
| 12:54.20 | lindi- | cga: how? |
| 12:54.31 | lindi- | cga: the lines are wrapped |
| 12:54.45 | cga | lindi-, wait a sec i put it on rafb |
| 12:55.14 | Dave | lindi: http://rafb.net/p/pH4sMY81.html |
| 12:55.16 | Dave | I copied to rafb |
| 12:55.17 | Dave | :] |
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| 12:55.34 | Dave | For there can be only one [nopaste]! |
| 12:56.20 | Dave | Joerg please give me your mail address, so I can send my defective batteries to you. |
| 12:56.26 | Dave | Then they will be your problem! :D |
| 12:56.43 | Dave | I should order a box of gta02 batteries from some reseller. |
| 12:56.49 | cga | lindi-, Dave i can c&p form pastey top editor why can't you? |
| 12:56.55 | cga | *to |
| 12:57.03 | Dave | fuck pastey? |
| 12:57.06 | Dave | :) |
| 12:57.24 | lindi- | cga: you are using X maybe? |
| 12:57.31 | cga | ohps =) |
| 12:57.39 | Dave | cga, did you ever confirm that nand and nor both use the same uboot hex? |
| 12:57.53 | cga | not yet Dave |
| 12:58.00 | Zorkman_ | Dave: did you forget to take your med's? |
| 12:58.05 | Dave | uggh, I'll do it for you then! |
| 12:58.07 | cga | Dave, want to try it? |
| 12:58.09 | cga | cool |
| 12:58.11 | Dave | :P |
| 12:58.16 | lindi- | cga: it's not really copyable without X and javascript :P |
| 12:58.20 | Dave | throws zorkman inside his scummvm |
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| 12:58.23 | cga | lindi-, =) |
| 12:58.30 | Zorkman_ | likes mircs, here he doesn't have to pay attention to his english spelling and grammar :) |
| 12:58.31 | Dave | hooooooooi Marcels :] |
| 13:00.01 | Dave | zorkman any idea if there is going to be another numpty version? |
| 13:00.20 | Zorkman_ | i've haven't the slightest clue, maybe you can mail the author? |
| 13:00.57 | Dave | -_- |
| 13:01.02 | Dave | I'd rather not... |
| 13:01.22 | Zorkman_ | i promise you won't get cooties after mailing him :p |
| 13:01.28 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 13:01.28 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 13:01.39 | Dave | apt: klootviool! |
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| 13:02.50 | Dave | man, I need to rebuild vim |
| 13:06.19 | Zorkman_ | Belgians are playing against only 9 chinese, this way even they can't loose :) |
| 13:07.02 | Dave | the app icons are just 32x32 pngs right? |
| 13:07.57 | jomat|away | \nick jomat |
| 13:08.27 | Dave | Ainulindale: hah - http://people.openmoko.org/sean/specifications/images/dialer_states.png |
| 13:08.29 | jomat | grep -r is wrong |
| 13:08.52 | jomat | Sorry |
| 13:09.00 | Ainulindale | Dave: what ? |
| 13:09.12 | Dave | That's a nice diagram I just stumbled upon on the wiki :) |
| 13:09.21 | jomat | But I think two // don't matter |
| 13:09.22 | Dave | Made me think of your dialer progress :) |
| 13:10.09 | anno^da_ | Dave do you know some open source applications for creating such diagrams ? |
| 13:10.33 | Dave | better ones |
| 13:10.41 | Dave | that one's pretty ghetto |
| 13:11.17 | anno^da_ | Yeah better ones are always appreciated :) |
| 13:14.18 | Dave | yeah one sec, doing naughty pixmap manipulation |
| 13:14.43 | L1nuzH4ck3rr | :-p |
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| 13:15.51 | Dave | bwah |
| 13:16.07 | Dave | breaking X is always so much fun! |
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| 13:17.11 | Dave | zorkman, I made icons for a bunch of stuff that didn't have any - gave lbreakout2 a nice little icon :p |
| 13:17.23 | Dave | also reorganized all the games appropriately |
| 13:17.40 | Dave | furthermore, it appears to be a bug where Application Category=Games should be Game |
| 13:17.53 | Dave | regardless the entries are totally promiscuous |
| 13:18.01 | Dave | reminds me of fucking YAML |
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| 13:18.26 | Dave | too many games on this freerunner |
| 13:18.38 | lindi- | retracile_: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1796 |
| 13:23.17 | Blalien | how do I exit the vi terminal in 2008.8? What fuctions as the esc key |
| 13:23.55 | Dave | yo cga |
| 13:24.06 | cga | jomat, how do i get mkdir to read a path with spaces in it?? it doesn't take ~/Free\ Runner/backup as good and creates two dir.. on Free and one Runner/backup |
| 13:24.08 | cga | Dave, |
| 13:24.24 | Dave | for me both NAND and NOR had the same HEX ID |
| 13:24.29 | cga | yay! |
| 13:24.34 | Dave | the only differing data was that devnum=43 in NOR |
| 13:24.40 | Dave | and devnum=44 in NAND |
| 13:24.59 | cga | Dave, would you write code for having what's described before taht code?? getting Neo 1973 and Neo Free Runner instead of heses? |
| 13:25.09 | Tanuva | cga: you could put it in "..." |
| 13:25.14 | cga | well Dave doesn't matter... the important thing is the hex |
| 13:25.17 | Dave | you mean you want the name in place of the Hex ID? |
| 13:25.24 | cga | yes Dave |
| 13:25.29 | Dave | sure, since we can distinguish between them |
| 13:25.32 | cga | prompetd to chose from |
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| 13:25.37 | jomat | cga, it works fine for me with \ |
| 13:25.38 | Dave | So then you wanted them to be different in some way? :P |
| 13:25.47 | cga | eh |
| 13:25.51 | Dave | jomat, dereferencing? o.O |
| 13:26.37 | Dave | cga, explain yourself please. |
| 13:26.43 | cga | Tanuva, thanks that worked =) |
| 13:26.48 | cga | Dave, 1 sec |
| 13:26.48 | jomat | mkdir -p ~/Free\ Runner/backup |
| 13:27.11 | Dave | Freerunner |
| 13:27.11 | cga | jomat, it's actually mkdir -p -v "${BACKUP_DIR}" |
| 13:27.16 | Dave | also gah |
| 13:27.25 | Dave | needz moar pearl!1111 |
| 13:27.35 | cga | jomat, it gets the dir from the read -e |
| 13:27.44 | Dave | -e backup? |
| 13:27.51 | Dave | otherwise fail? |
| 13:27.52 | cga | backupo_dir |
| 13:28.02 | Dave | -_- |
| 13:28.03 | cga | well yes that was just to explain |
| 13:28.17 | Dave | that doesn't explain at all about what you wanted me to do. |
| 13:28.19 | Dave | :) |
| 13:28.19 | cga | let me show you my magnificent first code :P |
| 13:28.24 | Dave | rofl |
| 13:28.31 | cga | =) |
| 13:28.50 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:29.37 | Dave | cay dee eight eye cay tee! |
| 13:29.45 | cga | Dave, jomat http://rafb.net/p/DO6TOe84.html , Dave i explained what to do about hex and names there, ask if not clear enough |
| 13:29.55 | Dave | Hooray! |
| 13:29.56 | jomat | *g* |
| 13:29.59 | Infoport | cga: still struggling to get my code to test for a forward slash at the end |
| 13:30.01 | SirBob1701 | is there a ruby package for 2008.8? |
| 13:30.02 | Infoport | :-( |
| 13:30.03 | Dave | and horry it's on rafb now :) |
| 13:30.10 | Dave | Sirbob muwahahahaha |
| 13:30.12 | cga | Infoport, not needed anymore... see http://rafb.net/p/DO6TOe84.html |
| 13:30.14 | jomat | mkdir -p -v "${BACKUP_DIR} says: mkdir: created directory `~' |
| 13:30.23 | jomat | mkdir: created directory `~/free runner' |
| 13:30.34 | jomat | mkdir: created directory `~/free runner/bck' |
| 13:30.51 | cga | jomat, |
| 13:30.52 | cga | http://rafb.net/p/DO6TOe84.html |
| 13:30.58 | cga | ophs sorry |
| 13:31.03 | cga | root@braith:/home/cga/Free Runner/backup# ./neo_backup.sh |
| 13:31.03 | cga | these are the devices i found: |
| 13:31.03 | cga | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.03 | cga | chose WISELY the one to backup: |
| 13:31.03 | cga | 1 |
| 13:31.04 | cga | Which directory should i use to backup? |
| 13:31.06 | cga | /home/cga/Free\ Runner/foo |
| 13:31.08 | cga | the directory does not exist!! i'm creating it for you |
| 13:31.10 | cga | mkdir: directory `/home/cga/Free Runner/foo' creata |
| 13:31.12 | Dave | nope |
| 13:31.17 | Dave | Sirbob: nope |
| 13:31.21 | Dave | Not that I know of. |
| 13:31.27 | jomat | hopes not to write rm -rf ~ now... |
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| 13:31.41 | Dave | cga, wtf? |
| 13:31.44 | cga | ? |
| 13:31.50 | Dave | Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=43, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
| 13:31.57 | Dave | Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=44, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
| 13:31.57 | cga | and? |
| 13:32.03 | Dave | What's wrong with that? |
| 13:32.04 | cga | arf |
| 13:32.09 | Dave | You want the name to read something else? |
| 13:32.24 | Dave | or you want [HEX] to read [Freerunner] or [Neo1973] ? |
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| 13:32.56 | cga | Dave, i want the code to grab ther hex and say -> 1. Free Runner 2. Neo 1973 from it instead of showing the whole line |
| 13:33.00 | cga | yes |
| 13:33.04 | Dave | Okay ^_^ |
| 13:33.08 | cga | cool =) |
| 13:33.09 | Dave | I can do that if you'd like. |
| 13:33.13 | Dave | and give the user the option |
| 13:33.15 | cga | i'd love to =) |
| 13:33.22 | Dave | But is this for safety reasons? |
| 13:33.26 | cga | yes |
| 13:33.29 | Dave | because you don't trust the user to do the right thing? :P |
| 13:33.35 | Dave | :D |
| 13:33.44 | cga | oh don'0t forget to put hex else 3. other device ... don't touch |
| 13:33.52 | Dave | right |
| 13:33.57 | Infoport | does anybody know why this test for forward slash at end doesn't work? if [ "$BACKUP_DIR" == "\/$" ] |
| 13:34.03 | Dave | in case they're trying to flash their dishwasher or something |
| 13:34.08 | Dave | :P |
| 13:34.24 | Ko_deZ | which program can I use for recording from the microphone of the freerunner? |
| 13:35.03 | Dave | Ko_deZ: qtopia has a voice notes app built in |
| 13:35.08 | kd8ikt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOn1htjSZic |
| 13:35.10 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 13:35.29 | Infoport | on the right of the == I want to test for /, with $ being the "at end" regex, but it isnt working |
| 13:36.40 | cga | Dave, i've already flashed something else... and now my bluetooth mouse doesn't work anymore... that's why i started this script.. |
| 13:36.42 | jomat | zsh read seems to be strange with -e and -p, but sth. like echo -n "Backup dir: ";read BACKUP_DIR;echo $BACKUP_DIR; works here... |
| 13:37.10 | jomat | anyways, I don't like read :-) |
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| 13:38.45 | cga | jomat, you could modify it for zsh . i've been trying to use #!/bin/sh but read doesn't work there and i havo no clue how to do it cros shell |
| 13:39.09 | Infoport | cga: a few corrections-- put "check whether" (typo, and remove "exit 1" from successful check (exit 0 is success, but will EXIT right then) |
| 13:39.09 | jomat | cga, is http://rafb.net/p/DO6TOe84.html the newest one? |
| 13:39.20 | Ko_deZ | Dave: Did you test it :-P |
| 13:39.33 | cga | jomat, http://rafb.net/p/DO6TOe84.html |
| 13:39.40 | cga | jomat, mine at least.. |
| 13:39.48 | Infoport | cga: why away from pastey? |
| 13:39.49 | cga | i don't know Dave 's and Infoport 's |
| 13:39.54 | Ko_deZ | So, other suggestions are welcome. I would like to grab audio from the mic. |
| 13:40.06 | cga | Infoport, some people can't see it with no Xorg |
| 13:40.47 | Infoport | cga: just wondering...I was not reading for a while and testing... |
| 13:40.54 | cga | np |
| 13:40.56 | Ko_deZ | I want to see if I can find a connection between the echo and crosstalk between the mic and speaker. |
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| 13:42.09 | Infoport | if [ "$BACKUP_DIR" == "\/$" ] Does anybody know why this doesn't check for forward slash at end (with \literal and regex $) |
| 13:42.22 | cga | jomat, what's wrong with :4 s/[a-z]/[A-Z] ? |
| 13:43.16 | Ko_deZ | If I manage to find one, there is a slight possibility that one could make a transfer function that one could apply it (using convolution) to the input from the mic to filter out the output from the speaker. |
| 13:43.58 | Ko_deZ | Just a thought I would like to explore. I am not an expert at the area, but it could be fun to check out. |
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| 13:44.23 | Ko_deZ | I checked the opkg repository for mplayer, but did not find it. |
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| 13:46.48 | stevenSn | I'm trying to build my own toolchain with bitbake and on the last stages opkg-cl gives me "Could not obtain administrative lock" |
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| 13:47.23 | Ko_deZ | I guess I could try aplay actually. |
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| 13:48.29 | Infoport | cga: after all that, I think that no problem came from two // from your ending commands with one embedded (if they entered one, say from using tab-completion) |
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| 13:49.07 | cga | Infoport, nice of you to try and test for so long time =) but i told you before it wasn't a problem :P |
| 13:49.32 | Infoport | cga: it worked for me, once I removed the "exit 1" lines -- you only need them if you want to give an error and EXIT |
| 13:49.48 | cga | Infoport, my latest http://rafb.net/p/DO6TOe84.html , waiting for Dave to code the hex -> name -> chose |
| 13:50.12 | Infoport | cga: I was obsessed with find the answer (still haven't, but I know it works with it embedded, even if you end with a slash yourself) |
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| 13:50.16 | cga | Infoport, so i remove exit 1 or 0 if i want the script to go on? |
| 13:51.15 | cga | Infoport, i get an error if remove exit 1 |
| 13:51.39 | Infoport | cga: yes. usually if you call a script from another, you end it successfully with exit 0, and you end it unsuccessfully with other exit #s. The script that calls the 2nd can get the exit code, and know whether the 2nd script was ok or what before proceeding |
| 13:53.00 | cga | Infoport, take a look at my latest and please tell me how to not exit the script after the if iter |
| 13:53.26 | Infoport | cga: so if you *might* call a script (like if we put the directory test in a script and ran it from yours, or run yours from another) those are good to have to it can return status |
| 13:53.50 | cga | Infoport, ok, bnut as is now it ends at if or mkdir |
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| 13:55.01 | cga | i might need to look at exit numbers, where do i find them?? man ? |
| 13:55.10 | Infoport | cga: you need something after "then" above line 33 (which isn't needed there) Maybe echo "Directory exists" > /dev/null ? |
| 13:56.36 | Infoport | cga: exit 0 is SUCCESS, and you use numbers up to 255, but I think all non-zero are up to you (all would be various failures, use diff # if needed to tell apart when you call a script) |
| 13:57.02 | cga | Infoport, even with exit 0 it stops, trying again to make sure |
| 13:57.27 | Infoport | cga: you don't really need exit0, or put it at VERY end, and use exit 1 (or other #) for FAILURE when you want to exit |
| 14:00.44 | jomat | Does vendor:product change sometimes? |
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| 14:03.20 | cga | jomat, nope |
| 14:03.42 | cga | jomat, at least not for the same device:product |
| 14:03.47 | cga | err |
| 14:03.51 | cga | vendor:product |
| 14:03.54 | jomat | Here's a version which seems to work (dammn, my mouse is empty...) http://rafb.net/p/LdcdSc36.html |
| 14:04.46 | jomat | Why should someone want to flash his bt stick with om... |
| 14:05.06 | cga | err... =) |
| 14:05.18 | cga | i was trying to backup actually |
| 14:05.31 | jomat | I think, there could be a var DEVICE=0x046d:0xc709 |
| 14:05.47 | cga | jomat, Dave is working on that |
| 14:05.59 | cga | Dave, are you ? true? |
| 14:06.05 | Infoport | cga, jomat: jomat's last one looks good to me...I like that it asks before creating (I wouldn't want to create a dir without being asked, esp from a typo maybe) |
| 14:06.24 | jomat | cga, i've heard from someone who killed his dell mouse by backing it's firmware up :-) |
| 14:06.35 | cga | jomat, it's me |
| 14:06.55 | jomat | grats :-) |
| 14:07.08 | cga | jomat, that's why i started this script (and for fun) |
| 14:07.19 | cga | jomat, thanks XD |
| 14:07.43 | cga | jomat, and i hope it's only the mouse and not the bt something on the laptop |
| 14:07.48 | Infoport | cga: there is still typos in line 33 there -- should be "check whether" -- but looks good. If only it could check for where dfu-util resides (instead of having to be edited) |
| 14:08.34 | Zorkman_ | anybody else have troubles with downloading opkg feeds? |
| 14:08.43 | Zorkman_ | i can ping downloads.openmoko.com, but i can't wget the file |
| 14:08.45 | jomat | btw: I've reveived my FR yesterday and will go to holyday tomorrow. It's the only phone i have. Is it a good strategy to use this firmware in the flash: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ and have Qtopia on SD-card? |
| 14:09.01 | jomat | holy day! *g* |
| 14:09.19 | Infoport | maybe using the command "which" as a test? if dfu-util is in your path, it should return the path. "which ls" returns "/bin/ls" |
| 14:09.35 | jomat | cga, my logitech dinovo edge bt-dongle shows up with dfu-util :-) |
| 14:09.43 | cga | jomat, i'm going to put 2008.08 and Qtopia in the SD too,,, (and keep the 2007.2 in NAND) is always a good idea. |
| 14:10.21 | jomat | 2008.08 doesn't work for me because of the pin dialog |
| 14:10.24 | cga | jomat, now you see why it's good to have this script :P |
| 14:10.40 | cga | brb |
| 14:10.43 | jomat | *g* |
| 14:10.47 | tuXXX | jomat: are you really using zsh as the interpreter for your script? |
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| 14:11.08 | jomat | tuXXX, yes, i usually only use zsh. |
| 14:11.16 | Infoport | cga: "which" will find command in path, and "ls" will find it in current directory-- that could be used as a test to automate the DFU= part |
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| 14:11.38 | jomat | DFU=`which dfu-util` |
| 14:12.07 | tuXXX | I think every var in tests should be double-quoted |
| 14:12.11 | cga | Infoport, jomat , dfu-util is from svn and i don't know if it gets found by which |
| 14:12.22 | tuXXX | and `...` should be replaced by "$(...)" |
| 14:12.39 | Infoport | cga: it doesn't if you don't put it in your path |
| 14:12.41 | cga | Infoport, jomat at least if it's in its src dir |
| 14:12.43 | jomat | if dfu-util is somewhere in your PATH, it gets found |
| 14:12.57 | cga | jomat, Infoport so it's useless |
| 14:13.13 | jomat | $( ) should be replaced by ` ` (because $( ) is bash specific) |
| 14:13.15 | cga | if you have in your path DFU=dfu-til will find it |
| 14:13.29 | tuXXX | and well, paths should be quoted too (often spaces are here) |
| 14:13.57 | tuXXX | jomat: it's working in zsh too |
| 14:14.00 | Infoport | cga: but if user put it into /bin, or added the dir to their $PATH, then it would. If it wasn't found, you could check for current dir with "ls", otherwise give error and exit |
| 14:14.17 | Infoport | cga: then no editing the DFU= partions |
| 14:14.21 | SirBob1701 | holy crap the open street map svn is huge |
| 14:15.03 | lindi- | SirBob1701: you only want some specific part :) |
| 14:15.35 | cga | Infoport, mmm i'm not 100% positive on that but you can try to code and let's see if it works good and use it |
| 14:15.53 | SirBob1701 | lindi-: ya the app to download tiles. want to make a little prog/script so you can pack tiles on your desktop for diversity |
| 14:16.19 | SirBob1701 | i was told a program to download the tiles exists in the svn but i don't know what it is called |
| 14:16.38 | lindi- | SirBob1701: mass download from tile.openstreetmap.org? |
| 14:16.46 | jomat | tuXXX, yes, but not in csh |
| 14:16.58 | SirBob1701 | lindi-: yup |
| 14:17.12 | lindi- | SirBob1701: please don't do that. it takes all the bandwidth away from interactive users |
| 14:17.14 | tuXXX | well, I don't know if the remaining syntax works in csh anyway |
| 14:17.14 | almien | like http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/downloading/tiles_by_bbox/ ? |
| 14:17.23 | lindi- | SirBob1701: you can easily generate your own tiles |
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| 14:18.00 | cga | jomat, does that while .. done works on bash too? |
| 14:18.30 | tuXXX | for example, tests in csh are done with parenthesis |
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| 14:19.05 | jomat | cga, in mine yes |
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| 14:19.32 | cga | jomat, gonna try here and use that code if works (it's alot better) |
| 14:19.40 | SirBob1701 | lindi-: if users are expected to never do that then how would you ever use osm for daily navigation? If i'm planning on taking a trip i would like to have tiles preloaded on my phone so that if i get lost in a relatively small area I can find my way. |
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| 14:19.53 | SirBob1701 | lindi-: it seems like a very reasonable request to me |
| 14:20.08 | jomat | cga, yes, thanks, but also use the improvements of tuXXX |
| 14:20.22 | SirBob1701 | lindi-: i'm not talking about a huge download of maps like a state. only a specific zoom level where you can see detail of streets around your immediate area |
| 14:21.10 | cga | jomat, tuXXX ok, can you repeat them in on line ; separated ? i wasn't following |
| 14:21.16 | lindi- | SirBob1701: i am only saying that the page is already very slow |
| 14:21.34 | lindi- | SirBob1701: since you can easily generate the tiles yourself why add more load to the public servers? |
| 14:21.41 | Zorkman_ | I HAVE THE FULL QUERTY KEYBOARD IN 2008.8 |
| 14:21.51 | Zorkman_ | ^_^ sorry it was worth shouting :) |
| 14:22.03 | SirBob1701 | lindi-: i must be missing something explain what you mean by generate tiles yourself |
| 14:22.52 | lindi- | SirBob1701: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mapnik |
| 14:24.14 | SirBob1701 | lindi-: but thats still fetching data from osm... |
| 14:24.24 | lindi- | SirBob1701: but from different server :) |
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| 14:26.24 | lindi- | almien: any idea if openstreetmap tiles for some areas are available as bittorrent fiels? |
| 14:26.56 | cga | jomat, what's wrong with :4 s/[a-z]/[A-Z] ??? i want to have A-Z on line 4 |
| 14:27.36 | jomat | Uhm, where? |
| 14:28.39 | cga | jomat, with vim |
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| 14:29.05 | cga | i'm issuing the command i asked you about |
| 14:29.22 | cga | to get A-Z instead of a-z |
| 14:30.30 | jomat | moment please, i just accidentially mounted /dev twice and ... that sucks! :-) |
| 14:30.39 | cga | ohps =) |
| 14:31.13 | Tanuva | *g* |
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| 14:34.01 | almien | lindi-: no I don't think so because creating such a file would force mapnik to render everything instead of just what gets viewed. might work if someone did it on the tiles@home server though (i.e. just sell DVD backups of its tile directories or something) |
| 14:34.09 | Infoport | cga: the script doesn't find zsh on my machine, maybe not for others either |
| 14:34.53 | cga | Infoport, that's normal if you don't have it installed, the final script will be #!/bin/sh if possible so it will be cross shells |
| 14:35.30 | tuXXX | well, it'll be bash-compatible |
| 14:35.59 | jomat | thinks: If it was right to umount -l /dev |
| 14:36.02 | cga | tuXXX, isn't sh for every shell? (i'm noob) |
| 14:36.27 | tuXXX | well, on BSD /bin/sh is the BSD shell |
| 14:36.31 | cga | ok |
| 14:36.39 | SpeedEvil | sh is ususally linked to the systems 'preferred' shell. |
| 14:36.44 | cga | good |
| 14:36.54 | SpeedEvil | It may be ash, bash, zsh, ksh,qsh, ... |
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| 14:37.05 | cga | so it's like i said? |
| 14:37.14 | cga | it will be for "all" ? |
| 14:37.15 | tuXXX | I don't think it'll work on BSD |
| 14:37.22 | SpeedEvil | sh will only run one shell on any given system. |
| 14:37.27 | cga | ok |
| 14:37.50 | tuXXX | I think that the best thing would be to set #!/bin/bash |
| 14:38.00 | cga | let's leave it sh then, i hope it works |
| 14:38.17 | Blalien | what do I have to install to use pidgin? |
| 14:38.17 | tuXXX | it'll not ^^ |
| 14:38.30 | cga | tuXXX, that's my idea since i like bash and use it but think of others :P |
| 14:38.45 | tuXXX | yes but you have to modify it to be compatible with BSD sh |
| 14:38.46 | cga | (except bsd of course :P) |
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| 14:38.59 | masked_ | hi |
| 14:38.59 | cga | i don't care for bsd |
| 14:39.12 | tuXXX | well, on linux, /bin/sh is always a symlink to /bin/bash anyway |
| 14:39.23 | masked_ | i got 2008.8 to boot on the htc blueangel with a different kernel and modules |
| 14:39.23 | cga | unless someone changes that |
| 14:39.24 | tuXXX | (I never saw anything else, at least) |
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| 14:39.35 | masked_ | it says loading X, then i just get a black screen |
| 14:39.47 | tuXXX | usually, people use chsh to change their shell, but it doesn't change /bin/sh |
| 14:39.54 | masked_ | can anyone give me any insight? |
| 14:40.08 | jomat | tuXXX, never seen a system with busybox on it? |
| 14:40.25 | cga | jomat, a-z A-Z please? |
| 14:40.31 | tuXXX | yes of course |
| 14:40.48 | tuXXX | are we talking about GNU/Linux or other systems as well? ^^' |
| 14:41.17 | cga | i care only for GNU/Linux and its shells |
| 14:41.43 | lindi- | tuXXX: always? not at all |
| 14:42.13 | tuXXX | lindi-: really? |
| 14:42.47 | lindi- | tuXXX: e.g. ubuntu does not have it like that? |
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| 14:44.30 | tuXXX | in ubuntu, /bin/sh is in the "bash" package, let's see... |
| 14:45.05 | lindi- | tuXXX: yep but there are diversions |
| 14:45.19 | Blalien | has someone succesfully installed pidgin on the neo? |
| 14:45.32 | Zorkman_ | i have |
| 14:45.44 | Zorkman_ | on the 2007.2 image (irc and msn tested) |
| 14:45.49 | jomat | cga, i don't have an idea right now :-) |
| 14:45.58 | cga | jomat, np |
| 14:46.13 | Blalien | Zorkman: What did you install to get it working? |
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| 14:46.24 | tuXXX | lindi-: yes, it seems that it's now dash |
| 14:46.30 | jomat | and i'll prepare some things for my holiday now.... |
| 14:47.03 | Zorkman_ | i think i just opkg install'ed it |
| 14:47.21 | Zorkman_ | but right now i'm booted in 2008.8 and there my opkg won't connect to the internet... |
| 14:47.32 | Ainulindale | Has anyone there tried to run/develop some mouse aware ncurses software on the neo ? |
| 14:47.36 | Zorkman_ | i can ping downloads.openmoko.com, but i can't wget anything... |
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| 14:48.50 | Blalien | Zorkman_: Ok, my opkg sometimes gives me an error |
| 14:49.05 | yoh | https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ seems to be bored -- could any one confirm -- just go there |
| 14:49.11 | spdr__ | "Could not save screenshot: Value for PNG text chunk CREATOR cannot be converted to ISO-8859-1 encoding" |
| 14:49.21 | spdr__ | any one got an idea why this happens ? |
| 14:49.49 | lindi- | spdr__: how can i reproduce it? |
| 14:49.52 | Zorkman_ | Blalien: indeed |
| 14:50.04 | Zorkman_ | spdr: on the mailinglist i think i've seen it |
| 14:50.10 | spdr__ | lindi-, i just take a screenshot, and try to save it :\ |
| 14:50.16 | cga | Dave, ping |
| 14:50.18 | lindi- | spdr__: with what program? |
| 14:50.29 | spdr__ | the default with 2007.02 |
| 14:50.38 | spdr__ | where does it get the "CREATOR" from ? |
| 14:50.40 | lindi- | spdr__: do you know the name of the program? |
| 14:50.47 | Blalien | Zorkman_: I get the following error "* ERROR: duplicate src declaration." |
| 14:51.16 | lindi- | spdr__: is it "gpe-scap"? |
| 14:51.19 | Infoport | cga: hey, I have made my version test for dfu-util (no editing script!) |
| 14:51.22 | cga | Infoport, how's that dfu-util check going? |
| 14:51.24 | spdr__ | yeah thats it |
| 14:51.24 | cga | cool |
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| 14:51.41 | cga | Infoport, show me your nuts!!! XD |
| 14:51.44 | spdr__ | lindi-, thats it, any replacement or workaround ? |
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| 14:52.29 | Zorkman_ | spdr__: when trac works again, check https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1694, this is the bug you are describing |
| 14:52.31 | lindi- | spdr__: it seems to do if (! gdk_pixbuf_save (priv->full, tmpnam, "png", &err, "tEXt::CREATOR", "gpe-screenshot", NULL)) |
| 14:53.00 | Zorkman_ | spdr__: this seems to be a sollution: |
| 14:53.01 | Zorkman_ | cd /lib |
| 14:53.01 | Zorkman_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.15 | lindi- | spdr__: but it should say 'Could not save screenshot to temporary file: ' |
| 14:53.20 | lindi- | spdr__: and not 'Could not save screenshot: ' |
| 14:53.37 | spdr__ | yes, correct once again :) i just got lazy :) |
| 14:53.47 | spdr__ | thanks |
| 14:54.44 | spdr__ | perhaps i can find it in the google cache for now |
| 14:54.55 | lindi- | Zorkman_: sounds like an odd workaround :) |
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| 14:55.46 | youshe | fr |
| 14:55.48 | youshe | hi here |
| 14:58.27 | Infoport | cga: here is my revised code http://rafb.net/p/j8kqeN68.html |
| 14:59.14 | cga | great Infoport |
| 14:59.14 | Zorkman_ | lindi-: i quote mickey lauer: " This is a bug in OpenEmbedded. For some reason, ISO8859-1.so gets a NEEDED |
| 14:59.14 | Zorkman_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.14 | Zorkman_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.18 | Zorkman_ | " |
| 15:00.07 | Infoport | cga: it fails if dfu-util not found in path nor in current dir (although second still gets output for some reason from ls dfu-util, as not found) |
| 15:00.25 | cga | mmm |
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| 15:00.55 | Infoport | cga: by fails, I mean it fails gracefully, exits with exit 1 |
| 15:01.05 | cga | Infoport, i was readinng the code and thinking of it cleaner. but i'm not able to right now... i need to try and experimetn |
| 15:01.18 | cga | anyway very good idea |
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| 15:04.16 | cga | Infoport, how about making it a function? |
| 15:04.27 | cga | am i saying bullshit? |
| 15:06.15 | Dave | :) |
| 15:06.44 | Blalien | has someone tried a bluetooth headset under 2008.8? |
| 15:08.15 | cga | Dave, !! how's the hex name going? =) |
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| 15:16.07 | Dave | Maybe going |
| 15:16.10 | Dave | I was busy outside :p |
| 15:16.24 | Infoport | cga: oh yeah, I switched back to bash too (for the moment), since zsh isn't on mine |
| 15:16.41 | Dave | kicks ChanServ in the nuts |
| 15:16.58 | cga | Dave, i see =) np. do it when you are ready and willing to (but before yesterday!!! :P) |
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| 15:17.14 | Dave | :P |
| 15:17.23 | cga | Infoport, i put #!/bin/bahs too... and read -e. otherwise it would use completion |
| 15:17.38 | cga | it wouldn't* |
| 15:17.56 | Dave | bahs? |
| 15:18.06 | Dave | is that like #!/bin/moos ? |
| 15:18.08 | cga | its cousin =) |
| 15:18.27 | Infoport | cga: on mine, the only part diff from jomat's version is using I used bash, and the DFU= section lines11-26 |
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| 15:18.38 | cga | ok |
| 15:18.38 | Dave | cat /dev/cow |
| 15:18.42 | Dave | ECRAVEN |
| 15:18.45 | cga | moo0o0 |
| 15:18.52 | Dave | moos at ecraven |
| 15:18.55 | ecraven | ;) |
| 15:19.14 | Dave | Ecraven, join in the festitivities :) |
| 15:19.20 | ecraven | what are we celebrating? |
| 15:19.29 | Dave | oh, nothing |
| 15:19.41 | Dave | the utter confusion and bewilderment that openmoko development brings :) |
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| 15:21.39 | Dave | oops |
| 15:22.12 | Zorkman_ | i'm celebrating full querty on 2008.8 :) |
| 15:22.32 | Dave | hehe |
| 15:22.34 | Dave | \o/ |
| 15:22.40 | Dave | does everything else work? :P |
| 15:22.56 | Zorkman_ | if i uninstall everuthing yes :) |
| 15:23.09 | Dave | hah |
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| 15:23.39 | Dave | catzilla: rawr |
| 15:23.43 | catzilla | meow |
| 15:23.51 | Dave | pets the catzilla |
| 15:23.57 | glacier642 | hey all, does anybody know if the speed dial functionality is actually working in 2008.8? |
| 15:23.57 | catzilla | ok that's enough |
| 15:24.01 | Dave | ;) |
| 15:24.20 | Dave | Zorkman, can you confirm? |
| 15:24.25 | catzilla | so are freerunners hot? |
| 15:24.25 | glacier642 | there's a ticket on trac regarding it, but I can't read it because it seems to be dead :( |
| 15:24.30 | Dave | catzilla, indeed! |
| 15:24.35 | catzilla | how hot? |
| 15:24.40 | catzilla | what's the battery life like? |
| 15:24.46 | russellb | mine stays relatively cool, actually |
| 15:24.46 | Dave | hot like you could drop it? ;p |
| 15:24.51 | catzilla | ah |
| 15:24.54 | Dave | oh you were actually talking temperature wise? |
| 15:24.58 | catzilla | no |
| 15:25.01 | Dave | ;D |
| 15:25.02 | Zorkman_ | catzilla: momentarily i get 24 hrs or so (an extrapolation, i don't like the batt getting drained) |
| 15:25.05 | russellb | i don't think so, heh, i was just joking |
| 15:25.08 | catzilla | i was speaking hiltonese |
| 15:25.14 | Dave | huhu |
| 15:25.19 | catzilla | Zorkman_: are you heavy on the 3G? |
| 15:25.20 | russellb | it would be hot if it worked |
| 15:25.23 | russellb | ducks |
| 15:25.24 | Zorkman_ | but chicks digg'em |
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| 15:25.35 | Dave | canadians, anyway |
| 15:25.37 | Zorkman_ | catzilla: no, totally not |
| 15:25.47 | catzilla | ok |
| 15:25.58 | Dave | It doesn't have 3G |
| 15:25.59 | catzilla | any of you guys in the US? |
| 15:26.02 | catzilla | it doesn't? |
| 15:26.06 | Zorkman_ | 3g = more costs (licences); more power consumption (currently), and in my country i find data-tarifs way too high |
| 15:26.17 | catzilla | my mistake |
| 15:26.22 | Dave | catzilla yerp |
| 15:26.25 | Zorkman_ | i'd rather go to a wifi hotspot and leech :) |
| 15:26.37 | catzilla | ew gprs |
| 15:26.40 | Dave | haha yeah |
| 15:26.50 | catzilla | sickos |
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| 15:27.07 | Dave | I'm glad that the blackberries we have here at least get EVDO |
| 15:27.58 | Dave | which pretty much negates the need for wifi |
| 15:28.12 | Zorkman_ | gonna read something, need a break, catch you later DAve |
| 15:28.16 | Dave | or shuts us up from complaining about the apparent lack thereof ;) |
| 15:28.22 | Dave | Later Zorkman :D |
| 15:28.27 | Zorkman_ | (if you pay for the dataplan Dave :)) |
| 15:28.31 | Dave | Don't spend the entire day playing games ;) |
| 15:28.35 | Dave | Zorkman, yep! |
| 15:28.35 | Dave | :P |
| 15:28.42 | Zorkman_ | i'm spening my entire day writing papers :( |
| 15:28.47 | Dave | :( |
| 15:28.58 | Zorkman_ | one down, three to go ;) |
| 15:29.03 | Dave | wow |
| 15:29.10 | Dave | het spijt me :[ |
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| 15:31.20 | Dave | veel succes met je opleiding, Zorkman ;) |
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| 15:31.56 | Dave | moet gaan |
| 15:32.03 | trupheenix | hi can anyone tell me where i can find the source code that implements the kinematic scrolling in openmoko? |
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| 15:36.35 | Infoport | catzilla: US, using AT&T, FR NOT hot, battery only slightly warm when I pop it right out (after being hooked up usually) |
| 15:37.02 | Infoport | cga: I have to eat more food...these bits aren't filling enough |
| 15:37.14 | cga | eh eh |
| 15:37.17 | trupheenix | hi can anyone tell me where i can find the source code that implements the kinematic scrolling in openmoko? |
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| 15:40.56 | cga | Infoport, i need to rest a bit... going to play my didj for a while |
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| 16:08.37 | tomboy64 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:WebProxy <--- could somebody give any insights for this? |
| 16:08.46 | tomboy64 | or whether actual work is commenced? |
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| 16:10.31 | Infoport | cga: see you later! I need to relax a bit too, maybe sit on porch and have a cigar |
| 16:11.28 | Infoport | cga: I think you have a pretty good script going though...I'll have to check for updates! |
| 16:12.15 | jomat|away | Short question: Is it okay if I connect to U-Boot via USB to change it's environment with setenv and save it with saveenv? Are there some important things..? |
| 16:12.39 | Tanuva | jomat|away: have a look at the wiki |
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| 16:20.08 | confidential | is everyone experiencing the echo bug when the person you talk to hears a very loud echo of their own voice? |
| 16:20.42 | Rigolo | confidential: I had it ... turning the MIC volume down on the FR to setting 1 (instead of 3) solved this for me |
| 16:22.43 | spdr__ | Rigolo, where did u change that setting? alsamixer ? |
| 16:22.54 | spdr__ | or perhaps the file |
| 16:23.00 | Rigolo | in the config file directly yes |
| 16:23.05 | spdr__ | where was that file ... hmm |
| 16:23.21 | Rigolo | that is on the wiki ... some profile dir :-) |
| 16:23.22 | spdr__ | 10x anyways, got lots of complaints too and tried using alsamixer to fix it |
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| 16:24.57 | spdr__ | Rigolo, no idea what control.# it was, right? :) |
| 16:25.01 | confidential | when I adjusted it with alsamixer it just turned itself back up afterwards... |
| 16:25.06 | Rigolo | spdr__: MIC2 |
| 16:25.16 | spdr__ | i have all control.number |
| 16:25.27 | spdr__ | oh the iface |
| 16:25.32 | Rigolo | one moment ... I will look on the wiki :-) |
| 16:25.40 | cga | Infoport, have a good rest =) thanks for all your support =) i would never had such a script by myself alone |
| 16:26.25 | Rigolo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Adjusting_the_Volume |
| 16:26.28 | spdr__ | or perhaps after it :0 |
| 16:26.39 | Rigolo | and then do not use value 3 .. but use value 1 .. |
| 16:28.26 | torindel | any ideas when openembedded.net will be back online anyone? |
| 16:29.54 | spdr__ | name 'Mic2 Capture Volume' |
| 16:29.54 | spdr__ | value 0 |
| 16:30.01 | spdr__ | is that supposed to be default ?? |
| 16:31.45 | confidential | my mics are also at 0...:S |
| 16:32.06 | spdr__ | lets try 1 anyways i guess |
| 16:32.18 | spdr__ | or try turning the speaker volume down ? |
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| 16:38.21 | confidential | the statefile for normal phone use, is that gsmspeakerout.state ? |
| 16:40.04 | spdr__ | /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state isnt it ? |
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| 16:40.41 | cga | Tanuva, can you help? i still get no backup if there's a space in the dir path / name: http://rafb.net/p/YubVN417.html |
| 16:41.09 | cga | it creates the correct dir (or chose the one) but no files are saved |
| 16:41.24 | zogs | do you know where I find om 07/22 ? |
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| 16:46.27 | Dave | see gee ehs! |
| 16:48.51 | dingman | Hmm. My notes on the QTopia image tell me that I couldn't SSH into it. Anyone know where to find instructions for that? |
| 16:49.34 | lindi- | dingman: graphics should not have anything to do with basic networking? |
| 16:49.48 | dingman | I mean the TrollTech image |
| 16:49.51 | lindi- | dingman: just plain ifconfig usb0 up etc.? |
| 16:50.16 | dingman | yeah, my notes say I could get packets to it, but it rejected the SSH connection. |
| 16:50.29 | dingman | Might mean that the TrollTech image doesn't run dropbear? |
| 16:50.33 | Dave | cga |
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| 16:50.39 | lindi- | dingman: better check with ps |
| 16:50.41 | cga | Dave, |
| 16:50.44 | dingman | ps? |
| 16:50.44 | Dave | :) |
| 16:50.51 | lindi- | dingman: ps |
| 16:51.01 | cga | ? |
| 16:51.03 | lindi- | dingman: /bin/ps |
| 16:51.14 | Dave | /dev/cga |
| 16:51.23 | cga | /dev/nonsese |
| 16:51.30 | dingman | Oh, notes also say there was no built-in terminal on the TrollTech image, which makes running ps kinda hard. |
| 16:51.32 | cga | /dev/nonsense |
| 16:51.36 | Dave | :P |
| 16:52.10 | cga | http://rafb.net/p/YubVN417.html Dave , can you tell me why i still can get it to write in a dir if there a psace in the name? |
| 16:52.19 | cga | *space |
| 16:52.30 | dingman | just asking here 'cause I figure it's a place where there are a bunch of people who probably tried that image. |
| 16:53.38 | Dave | can't get it to write? |
| 16:53.48 | Dave | why must there be a space in the name anyway? :P |
| 16:53.55 | Dave | are you doing Free\ Runner or something? |
| 16:53.58 | cga | Dave, not if there's a space in the path. else yes |
| 16:54.01 | cga | yes |
| 16:54.15 | Dave | Please call it Freerunner |
| 16:54.23 | Dave | as that is the appropriate name |
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| 16:54.31 | Dave | plus taht fixes your problem :D |
| 16:54.46 | cga | yes true... but consider people having spaces in the path (not just Free Runner) |
| 16:54.53 | Dave | heh |
| 16:54.54 | Dave | true :P |
| 16:55.02 | Dave | FINE, I'll look at it :P |
| 16:55.09 | cga | \0/ |
| 16:55.33 | cga | darn error -84! |
| 16:55.35 | confidential | when booting from the SD card, how can I access the normal boot partition? |
| 16:55.44 | cga | is the rootfs 246,1MB ? |
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| 16:55.59 | Dave | so you're saying that mkdir fails? |
| 16:56.01 | Infoport | cga: np! now I can say I've gotten a new job as an open source programmer (unpaid, but why I wanted OM phone) :-D |
| 16:56.08 | cga | lol |
| 16:56.46 | Dave | So when you do read -e BACKUP_DIR are you entering /some/path/to/Free\ Runner or something like that? |
| 16:56.48 | cga | Dave, no, check and mkdir work, it's only that dfu-util doesn't write in that dir |
| 16:56.55 | Dave | o_O |
| 16:57.01 | cga | try it |
| 16:57.09 | Infoport | hey, how do I *properly* mount a jffs2 filesystem? I had a problem with the losetp method in the wiki-- cant check backup rootfs |
| 16:57.21 | Dave | you DO notice that what you pasted has NOTHING to do with dfu-util... |
| 16:57.23 | Dave | -_- |
| 16:57.37 | cga | Infoport, how big is your rootfs ? |
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| 16:57.46 | cga | Dave, pasting the whole script |
| 16:57.49 | Dave | THANKS |
| 16:57.53 | Dave | -_- |
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| 16:58.35 | Infoport | cga: it looked "right" -- 246.1M in fact! |
| 16:58.42 | Dave | haha nice |
| 16:58.54 | laiao5 | http://www.freepenguin.it/forum/index.php |
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| 16:59.55 | cga | Dave, http://rafb.net/p/6CxvF917.html |
| 17:00.24 | cga | Dave, i start to struggle to think XD don't bash me please |
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| 17:00.56 | Dave | Why not, you are writing in bash, after all :P |
| 17:00.56 | Dave | ZD |
| 17:00.57 | Dave | XD |
| 17:01.29 | cga | lol |
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| 17:02.01 | confidential | how do I acces the rootfs partition when I booted from the SD card? |
| 17:02.27 | cga | confidential, you have to add a NAND boot in the bootloader i think |
| 17:02.33 | cga | check wiki |
| 17:02.57 | cga | ohps sorry |
| 17:02.59 | cga | i'm tired |
| 17:03.09 | cga | i don't know |
| 17:03.15 | cga | i tought you wanted multiboot |
| 17:03.28 | confidential | no, that I already have:P |
| 17:03.38 | cga | good |
| 17:03.58 | Infoport | confidential: depends on how you put it there, and which uboot you have |
| 17:04.05 | cga | i'm willing to have it so too... but i'm stuck with a bash script and i took it personally XD |
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| 17:04.39 | Dave | :P |
| 17:05.22 | confidential | Infoport: I followed the guidelines from the wiki page on Qtopia. And my uboot is just as it was when I got my phone... |
| 17:05.57 | Infoport | confidential: the newer uboot images can handle booting the kernel from ext2, and older ones can boot from FAT. Mine had a uboot option for microSD (FAT+ext2) already, but I added an entry for boot from micro SD (ext2+ext2) |
| 17:06.50 | Infoport | confidential: so you may already be set, depending on what boot option is there, and if you used a FAT partition for the kernel, or want to go straight-ext2 |
| 17:06.52 | confidential | mine already had the fat+ext2 option |
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| 17:07.11 | cdbot2 | charlie137 (n=charlie@firewall.tw.openmoko.org) was last seen quitting from #openmoko 2 days, 5 hours, 43 minutes ago stating ({"Leaving."}). |
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| 17:07.53 | Pyrasi | does anyone know where ASU stores your contact database? |
| 17:08.23 | Infoport | confidential: then you can proceed with partition/format on SD of FAT, and then ext2, and uboot is set (unless you'd rather go just ext2) |
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| 17:09.51 | Infoport | cga: you should consider the script bit I added to test where dfu-util resides -- then people won't have to edit it UNLESS they choose a 3rd location (not in path nor in current dir) which your script didn't have anyway |
| 17:10.25 | Infoport | cga: a 3rd unknown location couldn't be done without much more effort anyway |
| 17:10.27 | cga | Infoport, i'm looking at it right now but i can't think , i'm tired |
| 17:10.48 | confidential | Infoport: but I don't see how this helps me access the rootfs partition in the phone... |
| 17:11.09 | cga | Infoport, i think that now i just install 2008.08 and Qtopia in the SD |
| 17:11.23 | cga | and let the script alone for now |
| 17:12.13 | Infoport | confidential: hmm... access it how? boot from it? or browse there when in "regular" boot? |
| 17:12.53 | Infoport | cga: expect more frustration (and happy solutions hopefully too) |
| 17:13.27 | cga | Infoport, it's not frustration at all... i'm only very tired, slept 4 hours this morning and starving |
| 17:13.39 | confidential | Infoport: I am currently in Qtopia(which is on the SD card), and I want to access/browse the rootfs partition in the phone(where I have om2008.8) |
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| 17:18.34 | Infoport | cga: I was supposed to go camping...but I slept 2 hours Thurs night and started again on 2008.8 on SD, then stayed up late Fri, got going Sat evening and here I am XD |
| 17:18.39 | Zorkman_ | confidential: i've asked myself that same question, thre probably is a simple answer but i didn't find it |
| 17:18.59 | cga | Infoport, =) |
| 17:19.32 | Infoport | confidential: oh sorry...hmm... I think I may have seen when ssh'ed in...*thinking* |
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| 17:20.48 | Dave | Zorkmon :D |
| 17:23.36 | Zorkman_ | Dove :p |
| 17:24.02 | Zorkman_ | hey Dave, what's your lastname? Naaktgeboren? Stokvis? all those dutch people have funny last names :) |
| 17:24.20 | torindel | yawns |
| 17:24.43 | torindel | Infoport, Zorkman_: play with /dev/mtd* |
| 17:24.51 | Infoport | confidential: well, I can't find it now, maybe I imagined it during late night sessions |
| 17:25.02 | Tanuva | can anyone tell me how I might raise some damn signal from my python code which changes something in the edje gui? >.< |
| 17:25.25 | torindel | just dont delete anything on factory partition ;] |
| 17:26.11 | Zorkman_ | thx torindel, i will look into it later |
| 17:26.19 | Infoport | torindel: any idea which one that is? |
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| 17:27.40 | torindel | Infoport: the one thats ext2 and have imei, bt mac address etc files ;] |
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| 17:29.17 | linuxxr | 1.3.2-moko12 |
| 17:29.38 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.32 | pjz | Tanuva: what do you mean 'raise a signal' ? |
| 17:31.02 | Infoport | linuxxr: you would think, but I went ahead and flashed uboot, and it definitely dives a later date (I think Aug 5 for mine) |
| 17:31.37 | Infoport | linuxxr: and I boot 2008.8 from kernel on ext2, so it seems to have the improvement |
| 17:32.43 | Infoport | torindel: argh, slush through them you mean? mmmm fun |
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| 17:35.17 | Tanuva | pjz: I want to get the playtime of a track displayed in the gui, so I need to get some signal that triggers the program that sets the appropriate playtime variable to the parameter of the program of the signal.... Oo |
| 17:35.45 | Tanuva | so I get the playtime into the gui by transferring it per signal |
| 17:36.01 | Tanuva | (at least that's how I understand the howtodothis) |
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| 17:36.38 | Tanuva | pjz: argh, we're having some lunch now, brb... maybe you can leave me a msg, I have a log |
| 17:37.07 | cga | Infoport, did get to check the rootfs ? |
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| 17:38.33 | torindel | just run into kill sd partition table in uboot |
| 17:38.35 | linuxxr | i must be doing something wrong |
| 17:38.38 | torindel | -___-; |
| 17:38.42 | Infoport | cga: haven't mounted those /dev/mtd* files to check em yet |
| 17:38.53 | cga | k |
| 17:41.06 | Dave | Tanuva! |
| 17:41.29 | Dave | Zorkman :P |
| 17:41.34 | Dave | hahaha |
| 17:41.53 | Dave | My alter identity is a secret! |
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| 17:51.35 | spydon | how do I get an usb keyboard to work with the fr? |
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| 17:51.59 | spydon | pendrives and stuff works, but I cant get any keyboard work... |
| 17:52.11 | torindel | spydon: got kernel modules? |
| 17:52.21 | spydon | torindel, nope |
| 17:53.24 | spydon | torindel, where do I get them? |
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| 18:04.13 | Infoport | ok, off for some rest and relaxation! later geeks and 'bots! |
| 18:09.43 | dingman | hmm. Booting from the SD card on my Freerunner, I get nothing past a message saying "Warning: unable to open initial console" |
| 18:09.54 | dingman | Is this by any chance a known idiot mistake? |
| 18:10.10 | Zorkman | not that i have heard of, when do you get this message? |
| 18:10.20 | Zorkman | after selecting your booting option in uboot? |
| 18:10.24 | dingman | yes |
| 18:10.37 | dingman | The kernel loads, many messages go by, and stop with that one. |
| 18:11.16 | dingman | right after the one about mounting the root filesystem read-only. |
| 18:11.18 | Zorkman | i have however noticed that when i formatted the partition and copied the kernel to the sd card withouth fist rebooting and remounting that partition sometimes erros occur... |
| 18:11.54 | Zorkman | i would suggest you reboot your primary os, and reflash the kernel (and possible the rootfs also) this alays solved all my problems |
| 18:12.08 | Zorkman | never learned what went wrong thoug... so your error could be entirely unrelated |
| 18:12.23 | dingman | reflash? It shouldn't be using anything in the flash right now, though, right? |
| 18:12.48 | dingman | kernel from /dev/mmcblk0p1 and rootfs from /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 18:13.00 | Zorkman | nope, but i meant reflashing what you have on your SD card, not your main OS |
| 18:13.16 | dingman | Ah, ok. |
| 18:13.19 | Zorkman | i would at least reflash your kernel on mmcblk0p1 |
| 18:13.27 | dingman | I can't mount the thing from the main OS. |
| 18:13.34 | Zorkman | ?? why not? |
| 18:13.39 | dingman | Doesn't even show up as a device node |
| 18:13.54 | dingman | On my laptop, it works fine, so it seems to be a kernel issue on the main OS |
| 18:14.06 | Zorkman | (is your uboot up to date btw?) |
| 18:14.07 | dingman | since obviously uboot can see it. |
| 18:14.28 | dingman | It's what came on the Freerunner. |
| 18:14.29 | Zorkman | (i don't have a card reader so i always format everything on the freerunner itself) |
| 18:14.33 | Zorkman | update it |
| 18:15.00 | Zorkman | if you update it, you can use a kernel in a FAT32 partition and rootfs on ext2, withouth having to modify anything in your uboot |
| 18:15.16 | Zorkman | seriously, you want to update that uboot if you are going dualboot:) |
| 18:15.19 | dingman | That's exactly what I just did |
| 18:15.24 | dingman | It already had the entry |
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| 18:16.00 | Zorkman | are you using the SD card that came with the phone? |
| 18:16.05 | dingman | yes |
| 18:16.22 | Zorkman | Mathias: I might know you :) |
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| 18:16.57 | Zorkman | dingman: is your kernel up to date? because the FR certainly has to be able to see the sd card with an up-to-date kernel and uboot |
| 18:17.31 | dingman | yes. I opkg update and opkg upgrade at least daily |
| 18:18.21 | Zorkman | dingman: if you fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 18:18.34 | Zorkman | and then type "p" what do you get? |
| 18:18.38 | dingman | first, /dev/mmcblk0 would have to exist |
| 18:18.51 | dingman | huh, on this boot it does |
| 18:18.58 | dingman | rebooted while we've been talking. |
| 18:19.18 | dingman | looks just like it should |
| 18:20.01 | dingman | though the partition ID for my FAT partition is 83. But that apparently didn't stop uboot from loading it. |
| 18:20.47 | Zorkman | uboot can also use the kernel on the internal memory, but i thought you had to instruct it to do that... maybe they changed it in a way that it can detect if a kernel is present or not... |
| 18:21.18 | dingman | It's there, on a fat32 partition, called uImage.bin. |
| 18:21.48 | dingman | I can see it in /mnt/card now |
| 18:22.25 | Zorkman | you can try and see if it wil boot this time, and otherwise i would recommend populating the SD card from the FR itself, not on your host machine |
| 18:22.52 | dingman | What I would have done to start with if /dev/mmc* had existed on any previous boot |
| 18:23.12 | Zorkman | sorry, I can't explain that one... |
| 18:23.36 | Zorkman | (but then again, I'm fairly new to this all *understatement* so maybe someone else can clarify that one :)) |
| 18:23.40 | dingman | Not really expecting you to |
| 18:24.07 | dingman | Unless it's specific to the embedded world, I ought to be able to work out what's wrong with just about any Linux system |
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| 18:24.33 | dingman | I work for RHT after all. |
| 18:24.51 | dingman | And they didn't hire me for my looks. |
| 18:24.51 | mmaestri | hi all |
| 18:24.54 | Zorkman | Mathiasdm: might I enquire if you are a student or an employee at Ugent? |
| 18:24.57 | Zorkman | hi mmaestri |
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| 18:25.17 | Mathiasdm | <Zorkman> Mathiasdm: might I enquire if you are a student or an employee at Ugent? |
| 18:25.18 | Mathiasdm | :o |
| 18:25.22 | Mathiasdm | I am a student there |
| 18:25.24 | Zorkman | :) |
| 18:25.26 | Zorkman | me too :p |
| 18:25.31 | mmaestri | seems that i'm bound to mess it up... |
| 18:25.34 | Mathiasdm | hmm, pretty obvious from my hostname, of course :) |
| 18:25.38 | Zorkman | jup :) |
| 18:25.48 | Mathiasdm | what do you do? and what do you do here? :) |
| 18:26.03 | Zorkman | I'm here because I like messing up my freerunner :) |
| 18:26.09 | mmaestri | x server broken, dropbear doesn't seem to work |
| 18:26.29 | Zorkman | mmaestri: cursing a lot seems to do the trick when my phone does that :) |
| 18:26.45 | mmaestri | believe me, i did it... |
| 18:26.45 | dingman | Zorkman: my NAND uboot is "U-Boot 1.3.2-rc2.dirty-moko12" from April 2. Any idea if that's new enough? |
| 18:26.54 | Zorkman | no it is not |
| 18:27.03 | Zorkman | flash that dirty-moko :) |
| 18:27.23 | Zorkman | i think ext2 support was added somewhere half july |
| 18:27.36 | Zorkman | Mathiasdm: do you also have a FR or just interested? |
| 18:28.25 | Mathiasdm | just interested |
| 18:28.31 | Mathiasdm | how do you like your freerunner? |
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| 18:28.54 | Zorkman | jup, very much |
| 18:28.57 | dingman | Zorkman: bootloader doesn't have to understand how to read the rootfs. That's the kernel's job |
| 18:28.59 | Mathiasdm | oh, and out of curiosity: what do you study at ugent? |
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| 18:29.26 | Zorkman | burgerlijk ingenieur, werktuigkunde elektrotechniek, optie bedrijfskunde |
| 18:29.35 | Mathiasdm | hah |
| 18:29.38 | Mathiasdm | :-) |
| 18:29.53 | Mathiasdm | burgerlijk ingenieur as well for me :) computer science though |
| 18:30.01 | Zorkman | dingman: must be mistaken then.. it had to do *something* with dualboot though... |
| 18:30.15 | dingman | That's why you can put /boot on an ext2/3 partition and / on something funky like a logical volume inside an encrypted virtual disk backed by software RAID on a normal Linux system :) |
| 18:30.28 | Zorkman | is learning |
| 18:30.50 | dingman | Glad to help |
| 18:30.55 | dingman | is a teacher |
| 18:31.14 | dingman | and obviously has some stuff to learn, too! |
| 18:31.33 | Zorkman | dingman: but why do we have to specify to uboot what format the rootfs is in? |
| 18:31.50 | dingman | It has to tell the kernel where to find it. |
| 18:31.54 | Zorkman | the uboot entry has a "fatload" and an ext2load command in it |
| 18:32.02 | Zorkman | aha |
| 18:32.07 | dingman | I think that's for loading the kernel itself |
| 18:32.24 | Zorkman | (ext2load or ext3load is for rootfs though- |
| 18:32.25 | Mathiasdm | fatload can load a uImage (the compressed kernel) |
| 18:32.33 | dingman | I'm not terribly familiar with uboot - it's not something you'd run on a desktop or server system. |
| 18:32.49 | Zorkman | yeah i know Mathiasdm, but it also specifies what format the rootfs is in apparently |
| 18:33.10 | Zorkman | and i think there was a problem with the old uboot that it did not standard supporterd ext2, you had to edit it |
| 18:33.10 | Mathiasdm | ah yes |
| 18:33.35 | Zorkman | hates the setenv commands and anything that looks like "screen" |
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| 18:34.12 | pjz | screen rox |
| 18:34.24 | Zorkman | i wouldn't know, i always run away :d |
| 18:34.59 | pjz | has been using screen for... mm.. 15 yrs ? |
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| 18:35.20 | Zorkman | has only been using linux for a month :D |
| 18:35.50 | Zorkman | well, except when i had to cheat with an online game or two, then i've used linux also, but that does not really count :) |
| 18:35.55 | pjz | has like a dozen years or so of linux |
| 18:36.07 | pjz | Zorkman: ah, one of the EQ map sniffers? |
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| 18:36.57 | Zorkman | nope, pjz, it was a simple auto-click script, that then compared some photo's that represented prizes with prizes i had already marked as not necesarry |
| 18:37.41 | Zorkman | and even then it was with the help of a friend who had experience with linux :) |
| 18:39.08 | dingman | Zorkman: Grab F9 and play. It's not as hard as it was when I was in college :) |
| 18:39.18 | Yashy | Can one send SMS with any of the distros yet? |
| 18:39.36 | dingman | Yashy, earlier this week I could send SMS with *all* of them |
| 18:39.51 | dingman | well, except FSO. I couldn't make that do anything. |
| 18:39.57 | Yashy | but you can't now? |
| 18:40.16 | dingman | Right now, openmoko-messages2 in b0rken. It's probably fine in the Qtopia builds, though. |
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| 18:41.21 | dingman | Since they use a different SMS program, the breakage in openmoko-messages2 shouldn't be an issue. |
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| 18:42.52 | Dave | :) |
| 18:42.54 | torindel | dingman: well i can send sms with fso ;p |
| 18:43.03 | mmaestri | has x broken and cannot ssh the phone via usb to fix it. And is wondering if anyone can help :p |
| 18:43.08 | Dave | Made any exciting progress zorkman? |
| 18:43.18 | torindel | dingman: let me guess even dialler didnt open for you? |
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| 18:43.33 | dingman | torindel, Then that makes everything I know of that doesn't use openmoko-messages |
| 18:43.34 | Yashy | mmaestri: flash it? |
| 18:43.41 | dingman | torindel, yes |
| 18:44.02 | torindel | dingman: get current fso |
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| 18:44.08 | mmaestri | Yashy: i was expecting something less windowish than that |
| 18:44.20 | torindel | or just update framework |
| 18:44.24 | ieatlint | everything in fso works for me, except ussd (which is soon to be implemented), dtmf (which there is a patch for i haven't applied), new sms notification... and that's about it |
| 18:44.25 | mmaestri | Yashy: perhaps it's the only way |
| 18:44.38 | ieatlint | oh, and a call log, and the ability to see what time an sms was received/sent |
| 18:44.49 | dingman | torindel, there's newer than milestone2? |
| 18:44.59 | torindel | dingman: daily builds |
| 18:45.11 | dingman | which daily image name corresponds to FSO? |
| 18:45.21 | mmaestri | torindel: where can i find fso daily builds? |
| 18:45.49 | torindel | dingman, mmaestri: for ex http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973 |
| 18:46.18 | dingman | so not on buildhost, then? |
| 18:46.42 | torindel | nope on build host are only milestones |
| 18:46.59 | dingman | OK, that explains why I didn't see anything but milestones to try. |
| 18:47.16 | mmaestri | torindel: it's fine by me, i was looking for it |
| 18:47.21 | ieatlint | the next daily should be interesting |
| 18:47.34 | ieatlint | trac says it will have ussd support |
| 18:47.34 | mmaestri | torindel: do you know which repos are fail safe for fso? |
| 18:48.06 | torindel | mmaestri: check that site it got packages too |
| 18:48.19 | torindel | openembedded-build/glibc/ipk/armv4t |
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| 18:50.17 | torindel | plus you can always setup your own build enviroment too |
| 18:51.09 | cga | Infoport, i've done it!!!!! |
| 18:51.22 | cga | now it checks for dfu-util |
| 18:51.25 | cga | correctly! |
| 18:51.28 | dingman | torindel, I'll probably get to that point, but not 'till late next week. Maybe Friday when I'm bored to death while my students sweat it out over an exam. |
| 18:53.36 | torindel | ;] |
| 18:54.05 | dingman | teaching is so much more fun than testing the students... |
| 18:54.45 | ieatlint | dingman: i hope you have some evil test questions |
| 18:55.15 | ieatlint | use vocabulary that is ambiguous, or beyond the comprehension of your students (eg, bombastic words, or ones that are seen as archaic |
| 18:55.28 | dingman | ieatlint, I don't design the exams. |
| 18:55.35 | dingman | This week, it's RHCT. |
| 18:55.39 | dingman | Next week, RHCE. |
| 18:55.41 | ieatlint | ah |
| 18:55.46 | ieatlint | i took the rhce |
| 18:55.57 | dingman | Who from? |
| 18:56.08 | ieatlint | some guy in san francisco |
| 18:56.27 | dingman | Hmm. I don't know many of the San Francisco folks. |
| 18:56.36 | ieatlint | this was 5 years ago, too |
| 18:56.52 | ieatlint | although the guy had just moved to the area from brooklyn, where he was doing the same thing |
| 18:56.56 | mmaestri | torindel: i have same uboot since the phone came in. do you recommend to the latest version on that site? |
| 18:56.58 | dingman | I haven't been around that long, but a lot of the instructors have. |
| 18:57.49 | torindel | mmaestri: generally yes since it allows you to boot from ext2 on sd, just beware of bugs from time to time |
| 18:57.52 | ieatlint | well, good fun.. i passed it and never found a use for it :P |
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| 18:59.32 | dingman | Zorkman, same results with u-boot from yesterday |
| 18:59.49 | Yashy | Is there a -HUP for ifup? If I ifdown my usb0 I'll lock myself out without the opportunity to ifup usb0 |
| 19:00.08 | dingman | Yashy: "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" |
| 19:00.16 | dingman | er, do that with usb0 |
| 19:00.22 | torindel | ;] |
| 19:00.52 | dingman | You're still SOL if the new configuration isn't a good one, though. |
| 19:00.53 | Dave | ieatlint: tentacool :p |
| 19:01.28 | Yashy | Doh I was doing ifdown usb0 && ifup usb0 instead of ; |
| 19:01.48 | dingman | Yashy: that should work, too |
| 19:01.48 | Dave | oops? :p |
| 19:01.53 | dingman | At least, it would in bash |
| 19:01.56 | Dave | silliness |
| 19:02.20 | Dave | Zorkman, did you ever find out anything about keypresses or keyboard emulation? :) |
| 19:02.41 | Yashy | && only goes to next when first completes successfully, where ; runs second regardless. ; is better in this case |
| 19:03.05 | dingman | true |
| 19:03.19 | dingman | but what do you have in place that could make ifdown fail? |
| 19:03.26 | Tanuva | Dave: what's up? |
| 19:03.30 | Dave | Hey Tanuva :) |
| 19:03.37 | ieatlint | hey dave |
| 19:03.37 | Dave | I don't know, hunting germans :P |
| 19:03.37 | dingman | whatever it is likely interferes with ifup as well... |
| 19:03.41 | Dave | Howdy ya'll |
| 19:03.49 | ieatlint | Dave: they don't like that |
| 19:03.58 | Yashy | ding: after the down my connection drops, so doesn't get to the next. ; works |
| 19:04.00 | Tanuva | hey... |
| 19:04.03 | Tanuva | Dave: ah |
| 19:04.28 | ieatlint | Yashy: the && will execute as well, actually |
| 19:04.30 | Dave | ;p |
| 19:04.46 | Dave | retracile! |
| 19:04.46 | ieatlint | if it didn't work, it's because ifdown failed (or perhaps doesn't return 0 on success?) |
| 19:04.49 | Dave | It's a party! \o/ |
| 19:04.51 | retracile | Dave! |
| 19:04.57 | Dave | Huzzah! |
| 19:05.03 | retracile | Dave: Where?! |
| 19:05.11 | dingman | ieatlint, Ug. If that's so, someone should file a bug! |
| 19:05.18 | Dave | nominates lint's place! |
| 19:05.32 | ieatlint | hah... i'll test it later in a serial console |
| 19:05.35 | dingman | system scripts that don't return correct success/failure values are a pet pieve of mine. |
| 19:05.51 | ieatlint | or i suppose i could just vi the script |
| 19:06.59 | dingman | ieatlint: I'm about to hit the road and in the midst of flashing back to a TrollTech Qtopia image in the hopes of working bluetooth for the drive or I'd do it myself. |
| 19:07.12 | ieatlint | goodluck with that |
| 19:07.29 | ieatlint | last i heard bt headset wasn't yet working |
| 19:07.41 | dingman | If it doesn't work, I'll stick the SIM back in my Treo for the week. |
| 19:07.55 | ieatlint | ok, ifdown is busybox |
| 19:08.09 | ieatlint | no way busybox reports fail/success incorrectly |
| 19:08.11 | dingman | ieatlint, was that from the TrollTech images or the opemoko ones |
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| 19:08.26 | Tanuva | pjz: any idea about my problem? :) |
| 19:08.30 | ieatlint | dingman: both |
| 19:08.52 | ieatlint | it was some crazy long thing about how the bt module is connected to the wolfson codec such that the bt module needs to be specially configured or something |
| 19:08.55 | dingman | busybox does ifup/down? how odd. It differs between distros. |
| 19:09.03 | ieatlint | but things may have changed |
| 19:09.25 | ieatlint | well, i was going to connect up the serial console onto one of my phones, i'll verify the return value when i do |
| 19:09.29 | SpeedEvil | dingman: busybox can have every functionality it has (pretty much) eneabled or disabled |
| 19:09.32 | dingman | The latest TrollTech QTopia image is pretty old, so that's unlikely to have changed in it lately. |
| 19:09.45 | ieatlint | the latest qtopia image is august 8 |
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| 19:10.20 | dingman | I thought 4.3.2 was latest? |
| 19:10.47 | ieatlint | 4.3.2-080808 |
| 19:10.51 | ieatlint | so yeah, it is... |
| 19:11.08 | ieatlint | but the one before that was 072208 |
| 19:12.12 | dingman | crud, I totally missed the new section on that page. |
| 19:12.21 | dingman | Thanks for pointing it out to me, though! |
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| 19:13.04 | Yashy | http://pastebin.com/m442f3cdd my ifup doesn't seem to be functioning properly :( |
| 19:13.38 | ieatlint | Yashy: your gateway is on a different subnet |
| 19:14.01 | dingman | ouch |
| 19:14.16 | dingman | unless there's also an explicit route... |
| 19:15.17 | Yashy | yeah, the .1.* network is eth0 on my desktop |
| 19:15.31 | ieatlint | did you setup iptables to masq? |
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| 19:15.37 | Yashy | should I add network 192.168.1.0 as well to interfaces? |
| 19:16.02 | Yashy | yeah up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.1.25 & |
| 19:16.34 | ieatlint | then your gateway is 192.168.0.200 (assuming this is the usb0 ip on your desktop) |
| 19:16.44 | Yashy | but it's the resolv.conf entry that didn't change in my pastebin |
| 19:17.59 | ieatlint | it might be erroring out once you try to set a gateway that it can't talk to |
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| 19:19.07 | Dave | What script are we all talking about here? |
| 19:19.15 | Dave | What are you people going on about? :) |
| 19:20.17 | Yashy | ieatlint: doh, thanks |
| 19:20.51 | ieatlint | Dave: yashy trying to get ip masq over the usb interface |
| 19:21.04 | paulproteus | How can I be totally sure that my FreeRunner is charging over USB? |
| 19:21.21 | Dave | oh! |
| 19:21.27 | Dave | not working for him? |
| 19:21.31 | paulproteus | It's attached to USB, but when I turn it on into uBoot, it turns off after a few seconds. |
| 19:21.51 | torindel | paulproteus: get charger and leave it for 5mins |
| 19:22.04 | torindel | and check if it'll turn off in uboot |
| 19:22.59 | paulproteus | torindel, Seems I only have a Motorola-brand USB power charger thing, and I left my OpenMoko brand one somewhere else. |: |
| 19:23.31 | ieatlint | does the phone even charge in uboot? |
| 19:23.32 | Dave | engage! |
| 19:24.02 | paulproteus | Is plugging it into my laptop's USB adequate for those five minutes? |
| 19:24.12 | ieatlint | paulproteus: most likely, the phone will only draw 100mA from that charger then -- which is not enough to power the phone, let alone charge it |
| 19:24.15 | Dave | yes |
| 19:24.17 | Ken-Young | DOes anyone know how one can get their application added to the "official" list of available packages shown on the 2008.8 installer? |
| 19:24.32 | paulproteus | ieatlint, Right, and for some reason uBoot doesn't seem to have a "enable fast charge" option. |
| 19:24.36 | paulproteus | Hmm. |
| 19:24.47 | ieatlint | yeah, i'm not sure the phone charges in uboot at all |
| 19:25.28 | torindel | paulproteus: just leave it off connected to pc then |
| 19:25.35 | paulproteus | nods |
| 19:25.42 | paulproteus | waits for a while patiently |
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| 19:26.25 | torindel | ieatlint: it does if you give it enough power ;] |
| 19:26.48 | torindel | but some usb ports doesnt |
| 19:27.33 | pwerken | the freerunner battery only charges after booting into linux |
| 19:27.34 | pwerken | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery |
| 19:27.52 | ieatlint | you know what would be a good idea.. is to create a little dongle... mini usb in (female), mini usb out (male), and put the 47k ohm resistor in the dongle, so whenever you use it, the phone just pulls 1A |
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| 19:28.19 | ieatlint | pwerken: well, one of the things they were working on was enabling charging in uboot, i'm just not sure if they got it yet |
| 19:28.26 | ieatlint | the wiki can be woefully outdated on such things.. |
| 19:30.01 | Dave | Yep yep! |
| 19:30.07 | Dave | Scary |
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| 19:37.25 | data_jepp | Anyone emulated with qemu under Arch? |
| 19:37.56 | mmontour | cga: (and others trying to do backups with dfu-util -U) take a look at bug #676. |
| 19:38.38 | torindel | o_O |
| 19:39.21 | torindel | just found li-polimer 3.7V 2600mAh battery that would work in moko for 9.25$ |
| 19:39.37 | torindel | and thats 3 times larger than stock battery |
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| 19:47.33 | mmaestri | gps was /dev/ttySAC1 ? or /dev/ttySAC2? |
| 19:48.08 | tuXXX | torindel: that may be nice... if it doesn't break your phone ^^ |
| 19:48.17 | Dave | moko moko moko |
| 19:49.00 | Zorkman | SAC1 mmaestri |
| 19:49.14 | Tanuva | Dave: nom nom nom... ;D |
| 19:49.16 | mmaestri | thx Zorkman |
| 19:49.21 | Zorkman | np |
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| 19:49.38 | cga | mmontour, ok thanks |
| 19:50.51 | Dave | :p |
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| 19:56.23 | Rigolo | is still wrestling with resolvconf in 2k8.8 |
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| 20:01.34 | Dave | woot |
| 20:02.23 | cga`ZZzzZz | nite all |
| 20:03.25 | torindel | tuXXX: well we can always buy some cheapest nokia and test it for week or so ;D |
| 20:05.09 | Dave | aww, heh :p |
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| 20:06.58 | trupheenix | hi can anyone direct me on how to implement kinetic scrolling in my program? |
| 20:07.51 | Rigolo | kinetic scrolling? you mean when I tilt the FR it scrolls? (does that work?) |
| 20:08.40 | trupheenix | Rigolo: sorry kinematic scrolling. like when u use ur fingers and the icons move up and down |
| 20:08.47 | trupheenix | on the main menu |
| 20:09.41 | Dave | grawr |
| 20:09.44 | dingman | Rigolo, cool feature idea, but I bet it would be hell to use. |
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| 20:10.23 | trupheenix | Rigolo: it's already been implemented on the main menu. i just don't understand the algorithm behind it |
| 20:11.40 | Dave | zorkman, ben je wakker? |
| 20:11.48 | Rigolo | dingman: well, I think it will not catch on :-) |
| 20:11.53 | Rigolo | dingman: vast niet :-) |
| 20:12.05 | Rigolo | Dave: I was meaning dave offcourse :-) |
| 20:12.09 | Dave | :o |
| 20:12.42 | Dave | onmogelijk! |
| 20:12.51 | Rigolo | so does everybody just override /etc/resolv.conf? or are there people actually using resolvconf on the om2k8.8? |
| 20:12.51 | dingman | trupheenix, I understand what you're after, but short of grabbing the source code and searching, I can't help you. |
| 20:12.52 | Dave | por zorkman |
| 20:12.56 | Dave | :\ |
| 20:13.17 | Dave | rigolo, niemand :D |
| 20:13.39 | Rigolo | Dave: I guess not many people do ... |
| 20:13.50 | Rigolo | does not want to "break" a package :-) |
| 20:13.52 | Dave | nup |
| 20:13.55 | Dave | hehe :P |
| 20:14.11 | Dave | goed idee |
| 20:14.46 | trupheenix | dingman: ok |
| 20:14.49 | Rigolo | how do you turn the FR off in OM2k8.8? power button turns on suspend? only via shell? |
| 20:15.31 | Dave | Rigolo :x |
| 20:15.35 | Elleo | Rigolo: hold down the power button |
| 20:15.36 | trupheenix | 's cat just jumped into the house |
| 20:15.46 | Dave | SURPRISECAT! |
| 20:16.30 | Rigolo | Elleo: mmmm weird .. that did not work before ... well, let's reboot and see if resolvconf does what it is supposed to do :-) |
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| 20:16.57 | Dave | or not |
| 20:16.59 | Dave | :P |
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| 20:22.12 | Rigolo | oo great ... no terminal program in stock om2008.8 (or do I miss something) |
| 20:22.33 | Rigolo | so how can i check (before I plug in the usb) what network interfaces are setup :-) |
| 20:22.44 | Rigolo | sigh .... |
| 20:23.17 | tuXXX | serial connexion? |
| 20:23.54 | Rigolo | well ... that would involve plugging in the usb :-) .. but it could work I guess ... bootmenu, set serial to sub .. and then boot |
| 20:23.57 | Rigolo | mmmm |
| 20:24.16 | Rigolo | owell ... just plugged in the usb .. and resolv.conf is still not written ... ggggrrrrrr |
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| 20:25.26 | dingman | Rigolo, does the "echo" line exist in your /etc/network/interfaces files on the moko? |
| 20:25.51 | Rigolo | dingman: no ... there should be no need for that with resolvconf ... |
| 20:25.58 | dingman | well, no. |
| 20:25.59 | Rigolo | here is my usb0 section: |
| 20:26.06 | Rigolo | iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.0.202 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 gateway 192.168.0.200 dns-search home.com dns-nameservers 10.0.0.1 |
| 20:26.25 | Rigolo | those last 2 entries should be picked up ... |
| 20:26.33 | dingman | But my personal experience with resolvconf is that is sucks eggs and is responsible for more resolution problems than fixes... |
| 20:27.01 | Rigolo | dingman: well, then why the hell did they included it ... |
| 20:27.07 | dingman | Not that I've tried it on my Freerunner yet. |
| 20:27.15 | dingman | shrugs |
| 20:27.19 | Rigolo | (well .. I guess because it could be very usefull ) |
| 20:27.29 | dingman | if it worked reliably, yup :) |
| 20:27.29 | Rigolo | dingman: it is standard on the 2k8.8 image |
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| 20:31.35 | safiiru | When writing an sms with the new keyboard, I don't understand how to backspace, anyone know? |
| 20:31.54 | Rigolo | move your finger from right to left |
| 20:31.59 | safiiru | Ahh |
| 20:32.06 | safiiru | Thanks |
| 20:32.20 | Rigolo | it's on the wiki ... |
| 20:32.40 | Dave | moo |
| 20:33.43 | Xilent_ | what is the size for the wallpaper on freerunner? |
| 20:34.00 | Rigolo | 640x480 ... screen resolution i guess |
| 20:34.18 | Rigolo | or 480x640 in landscape mode :-) |
| 20:34.30 | Dave | bah |
| 20:34.32 | Rigolo | or 320x240 if you like apple backgrounds |
| 20:34.57 | Rigolo | root@om-gta02:~# opkg update |
| 20:34.57 | Rigolo | Collected errors: * Could not obtain administrative lock |
| 20:35.03 | Rigolo | mmm great .... |
| 20:35.08 | Rigolo | what the hell is this again? |
| 20:35.19 | lindi- | Rigolo: google for it :) |
| 20:35.30 | Rigolo | lindi-: must be on the wiki then :-) |
| 20:36.50 | Rigolo | lindi-: mmm I'm starting to get the feeling that 8.8 is still a "beta" release :-) |
| 20:37.00 | lindi- | Rigolo: no idea, i have not managed to compile it |
| 20:37.15 | Rigolo | lindi-: well ... that comfirms it :-) |
| 20:37.23 | Tanuva | Rigolo: it IS |
| 20:37.34 | Tanuva | rather alpha |
| 20:37.37 | mwester | Beta? I hardly think so; it seems more like a development snapshot and not even what most would consider alpha quality. |
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| 20:38.15 | Rigolo | Tanuva: I think it behaves less usable than om2007.2 was before I flased 8.8 |
| 20:38.55 | Tanuva | Rigolo: I haven't used both stacks for more than 60mins, but 7.2 seemed much more usable, yes. :) |
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| 20:39.15 | Rigolo | Tanuva: so what are you using then? |
| 20:39.17 | mwester | It's far less usable than any other image at the moment. Much promise, but frankly I've stopped work on it as there's too little that functions to be useful. |
| 20:39.20 | Tanuva | especially since 8.8 went to suspend right after showing me the home screen before I could prevent it from doing so. |
| 20:39.32 | Tanuva | Rigolo: FSO snapshots built by alphaone |
| 20:39.45 | Rigolo | Tanuva: well, that suspend issue was funny :-) |
| 20:39.51 | mwester | Yeah, the suspend is fixable, but if you do that you end up with the "white screen of death" |
| 20:40.05 | mwester | So the only usable option is to disable suspend altogether. |
| 20:40.11 | Rigolo | Tanuva: and how usable is that as a daily phone? |
| 20:40.13 | mwester | But then the GSM doesn't work. |
| 20:40.19 | Tanuva | I wouldn't call it funny... I was quite offended because I expected a much more usable image from what will described |
| 20:40.46 | Rigolo | has a duo sim so I can have 2 phones .. one "always working" ancient nokia .. and the FR to "play" |
| 20:41.11 | safiiru | I'm not sure why this was called a 'Release' other than the fact the release date past. Oh well |
| 20:41.14 | Rigolo | Tanuva: well, that is true ... people were/are expecting something more than what it is right now ... |
| 20:41.18 | safiiru | takes his sim card out of the FR again. |
| 20:41.20 | Tanuva | Rigolo: it runs fairly stable, but the sound quality while calling isnt too good |
| 20:41.33 | Tanuva | Rigolo: same here with the 2 phones |
| 20:41.33 | Rigolo | Tanuva: worse then 7.2? |
| 20:41.48 | Tanuva | Rigolo: I havent done a single call using 7.2 |
| 20:42.15 | Rigolo | has the added advantage that he works for a mobile phone company ... so no extra costs etc to get a duo sim |
| 20:42.31 | Tanuva | hehe |
| 20:42.51 | Rigolo | made some 30min + calls on the 7.2 .. no issues after adjusting the mic2 setting to 1 instead of 3 as recommended on the wiki |
| 20:43.35 | Tanuva | hm, I might try that, too |
| 20:43.40 | Rigolo | mmmm looks like there were no updates to any package on 8.8? or does the installer apply those automatically? |
| 20:44.05 | Rigolo | Tanuva: with 3 people were complaining about echo's |
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| 20:44.23 | Tanuva | dunno about 8.8 updates... |
| 20:44.25 | Rigolo | I was adjsuting alsamixer while on the phone .. so I could get immediate feedback |
| 20:45.07 | Tanuva | hmm... I should try that, wouldn't even cost anything :D |
| 20:45.32 | Rigolo | if they call you it doesn't :-) |
| 20:46.04 | Tanuva | even if I call it doesn't - I got a second sim from my father's contract so I can call him for nothing :D |
| 20:48.20 | Rigolo | mwester: so what are you working on these days? still on 7.2? or FSO now? |
| 20:48.50 | mwester | The past days have been on 2008.8 -- not good. |
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| 20:49.34 | Tanuva | notices a missing thorough introduction into edje/evas/... |
| 20:49.35 | Rigolo | mwester: are the kernels different between those versions? (7.2/8.8/FSO etc?) |
| 20:49.54 | mwester | And recent emails seem to indicate that the work to fix some of the kernel issues is moving to 2.6.26 or even 2.6.27, so that makes it difficult to justify spending a lot of time trying to find out what's going on with suspend on 2008.8. |
| 20:50.17 | Zorkman | rigolo: the wiki states we have to change it to 3 |
| 20:50.31 | Zorkman | did you set it at 3 or at 1? (mic2 value) |
| 20:50.38 | mwester | Rigolo: Yes, the kernels are different, but that doesn't seem to be the issue; it seems that 2008.8 tickles the glamo in ways that trigger an existing bug that doesn't happen quite so often on the other images. |
| 20:50.43 | Rigolo | mwester: are these moko specific? or general kernel issues? |
| 20:50.49 | mwester | moko |
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| 20:51.03 | mwester | Er, let me rephrase that |
| 20:51.13 | Tanuva | Rigolo: what mic setting did you mean? set "Mic" to "Mic 1"? |
| 20:51.17 | Rigolo | Zorkman: I changed it to 1 on a 7.2 image and people hear no echo |
| 20:51.20 | Rigolo | MIC2 |
| 20:51.32 | Tanuva | hmm |
| 20:52.15 | mwester | It's all rather complicated. Fundamentally the problem is that the Linux kernel has no good concept of ordering of the suspend/resume drivers. It's an issue specific to the GTA02 because of the way the hardware is connected; if it lets Linux do it the way it wants to, we lose some of the hardware we need to finish suspend. |
| 20:52.24 | Tanuva | I just have "Mic" switchable from "Mic 1" to ...2 and ...3 |
| 20:52.25 | Rigolo | mwester: I only hear people complaining about that glamo chip .... is it so bad? |
| 20:52.32 | mwester | That's only part of the problem. |
| 20:52.44 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r051f46517474 10/pyascenario/ (8 files): add pyascenario skeleton |
| 20:52.46 | mwester | The PMU chip is also an issue in this. |
| 20:53.23 | mwester | I rather suspect that the columb counter in the battery adds its own mess to the kernel too; as it seems to stop working over time. |
| 20:53.52 | Rigolo | mwester: okee, so when you suspend you want to leave enough hardware running to finish your suspend script .. and default linux suspends some crucial hardware too soon right? |
| 20:54.15 | mwester | The "hack" done in 2.6.24 are not doing the job, so I think a general solution to the ordering problem needs to be done (I think that's what OM is working on), something that can be pushed up into the kernel for future releases. That'll take time, though. |
| 20:55.01 | Rigolo | mwester: I guess it does .. because that fix would effect everyone on linux .. not just moko |
| 20:55.24 | mwester | It's lower than the suspend script. Consider that if the glamo is shut down, you lose the ability to talk to the wifi or SD card -- and if you shut down other drivers, you may lose the ability to finish shutdown, as the comms to the PMU chip may be gone... :( |
| 20:55.30 | Rigolo | (or we need moko specific kernel patches that should be maintained and kept insync with the mainstream) |
| 20:55.39 | Zorkman | rigolo: and do people hear you loud enough? because that was the problem i used to have |
| 20:55.58 | Rigolo | Zorkman: they did not complain... but maybe I talk loud :-) |
| 20:56.05 | Zorkman | ok, thanks |
| 20:56.41 | Rigolo | mwester: but do you think it should be solved in the kernel? or in the way the hardware is attached to each other in the moko? |
| 20:57.10 | mwester | It can be solved in the kernel -- it's just a matter of how much effort it may take. |
| 20:57.55 | safiiru | How can I make the keyboard appear whenever I want again? Is there a FAQ or something should be reading on the wiki? |
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| 20:58.02 | Infinyte | Erm.. |
| 20:58.18 | Infinyte | What kinda picture format can QTopia recognize? I'm trying to change my background image. |
| 20:58.31 | Rigolo | mwester: okee ... but it also means that untill these things are solved suspend will be an issue in general for the moko? that does not sounds good |
| 20:59.28 | Rigolo | safiiru: qwerty button ?? look at the keyboard page on the wiki (check what version your run om2008.08 has it's own page) |
| 21:00.39 | safiiru | Yeah there used to be a querty button on the august5th release I was running before. |
| 21:01.00 | safiiru | august 8th doesn't have that, for instance I installed xterm and can't type into it. |
| 21:01.23 | mwester | Suspend actually works most of the time, IFF one suspends all the way down. It will abort the suspend once. After an aborted suspend, it will fail when it suspends again. And randomly even if suspends are never aborted, it will resume to the white screen. So it works on some images in some modes... people will have to see if what they get is acceptable. |
| 21:01.28 | Rigolo | safiiru: well, look on the wiki .... or go back to a 2007.02 build :-) |
| 21:01.45 | safiiru | I'm basically asking where to look on the wiki :) |
| 21:02.09 | Tanuva | mwester: fsom1 suspended fine for me, even multiple times. m2 doesn't suspend at all anymore |
| 21:02.36 | Rigolo | safiiru: try typing the word keyboard into the search box on the wiki .. and see what happens |
| 21:03.13 | Rigolo | mm I think that was too difficult for Safiiru :-) |
| 21:03.31 | Tanuva | the immense traffic from the wiki killed the irc connection |
| 21:03.53 | Rigolo | mmmm flooding oyur irc connection with wget :-) |
| 21:04.00 | torindel | Tanuva: it does but only first time ;] |
| 21:04.11 | Tanuva | :D |
| 21:04.23 | Kero | `make fso-image` fails everytime on "something e17 related" and also everytime doanloads something e17 related from CVS. Somehow I do not believe I ever have a consistent E17 env to compile, so the MokoMakefile will fail forever. now what, wait until e17 stops using CVS? |
| 21:04.37 | torindel | later suspend dont work at all on fsom2 |
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| 21:05.08 | Tanuva | torindel: m2 doesn't suspend at all for me, not even the first time |
| 21:05.13 | Tanuva | m1 always did IIRC |
| 21:05.35 | torindel | Tanuva: after molesting power button you can force it to do it once |
| 21:05.58 | t_s_o | hmm, what kind of sensor does the freerunner screen use? |
| 21:06.05 | Tanuva | torindel: *g* |
| 21:06.15 | SpeedEvil | t_s_o: resistive touchscreen |
| 21:06.19 | torindel | Tanuva: (try holding power button, releasing it and pushing again) |
| 21:06.22 | SpeedEvil | t_s_o: not multitouch |
| 21:06.43 | linuxxee | so which 2007 image is the best? |
| 21:06.46 | Tanuva | t_s_o: but it's as sensitive as a capacitive one imho |
| 21:06.54 | linuxxee | 20070424? |
| 21:06.57 | confidential | how can I change back to previous theme in qtopia from ssh? pin dialog seems to be bugged... |
| 21:07.09 | torindel | after couple of tryies it can suspend, but as i said only once |
| 21:07.16 | linuxxee | 20070722/ |
| 21:07.19 | Rigolo | linuxxee: I would pick one of the august ones .. from buildhost |
| 21:07.48 | CVirus | Kero: e17 won't stop using CVS |
| 21:08.05 | CVirus | Kero: they discussed this before |
| 21:08.12 | linuxxee | august 2007? |
| 21:08.33 | linuxxee | 20080806? |
| 21:09.02 | Kero | CVirus: to repeat the Q just before the rhtoric answer: "now what?" |
| 21:09.36 | CVirus | no clue |
| 21:09.46 | Dave | Hello Virus and Speedu |
| 21:10.05 | CVirus | Dave: use nickname completion |
| 21:10.06 | Dave | the Zorkman, too |
| 21:10.13 | SpeedEvil | d |
| 21:10.15 | Dave | Virus, what's that? |
| 21:10.18 | Infinyte | Hrm.. Does anyone know where the Background image is stored on QTopia? Or how to use an image from your SD card as a background? |
| 21:10.25 | Dave | :P |
| 21:10.25 | Rigolo | linuxxee: you could .. no idea if that one is working |
| 21:10.36 | Rigolo | linuxxee: just try .. and see what is happening |
| 21:10.43 | linuxxee | which do u suggest? |
| 21:10.44 | Dave | rigololololol |
| 21:11.24 | Rigolo | linuxxee: they one you like .. otherwise you blame me if it breaks ... |
| 21:11.37 | Rigolo | and when it does .. .flash an earlier version ... |
| 21:11.37 | Dave | heh |
| 21:13.15 | linuxxee | lol |
| 21:13.18 | linuxxee | na |
| 21:13.46 | Infinyte | Oo, nevermind. I just put the file in the Documents folder. ;D |
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| 21:17.40 | Rigolo | is leaving .. have fun ... |
| 21:17.44 | Rigolo | talk to you all later |
| 21:17.53 | confidential | how can I change the theme in qtopia from ssh? |
| 21:18.37 | ceda | CVirus: do you know if there are python api docs available on the web somewhere? |
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| 21:20.42 | ceda | dir(object) was what I was looking for earlier on btw |
| 21:20.57 | ceda | hmm, this wasn't the python channel. sorry :) |
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| 21:21.44 | ieatlint | docs.python.org |
| 21:21.48 | ieatlint | :P |
| 21:22.16 | ieatlint | plus good... a search like "python os object" |
| 21:23.18 | ceda | ieatlint: it doesn't cover/include etk stuff |
| 21:23.37 | ieatlint | well, then what you want is an etk api doc |
| 21:23.41 | ceda | hmm, I guess I left that part out! :) |
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| 21:29.47 | ieatlint | heh, i got a yahoo bottle opener from a linux event... damn thing works as well as yahoo... |
| 21:29.54 | ieatlint | you get the bottle open, but it takes 5-6 tries |
| 21:31.24 | wyze | lighter ftw |
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| 21:37.04 | trix | i got halfway through ordering a pizza last night on 2007.2 and my ear hung up on them. it was sad. |
| 21:37.42 | ieatlint | file a bug report |
| 21:37.47 | ieatlint | "hangs up whilst ordering pizza" |
| 21:37.50 | trix | hah |
| 21:38.09 | ieatlint | priortiy: severe |
| 21:38.16 | trix | hehe |
| 21:39.08 | ieatlint | geeks would starve if we could order pizza... |
| 21:39.17 | ieatlint | imagine having to actually go outside.. thank god they come to the door |
| 21:40.10 | Biovore | could just eat the lint in your belly button :-P |
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| 21:40.32 | trix | yeah, i was saying to a friend last night, if only the entire pizza ordering menu interface would work on the OM not even a phone call would be needed -- and i would be in even worse shape than i am already |
| 21:40.56 | ieatlint | haha, yeah... how long before they support that? |
| 21:41.13 | ieatlint | charging a pizza to your phone and ordering through some non-voice system |
| 21:41.26 | ieatlint | sounds like someone could write an app.. tie in the gps and all |
| 21:41.53 | Biovore | alot places do take web orders for pizza delivery.. |
| 21:42.10 | ieatlint | not the good places :( |
| 21:43.33 | trix | i suppose - yeah. that'd be pretty dope. you could take the pizzahut.com ordering system and make a separate ordering system out of it. for the good local places, maybe menu templates added by users and selections that result in an automated phone call "Hello. This is an automated order... Press 1 to acknowledge receipt of this order in full" |
| 21:43.35 | trix | smirks |
| 21:44.21 | ieatlint | i was thinking more of the systems that let you buy from vending machines using your phone |
| 21:44.26 | ieatlint | or pay parking meters |
| 21:44.43 | Zorkman | here in belgium we can pay for parking space by phone (sms) |
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| 21:44.53 | ieatlint | yeah, in sf too |
| 21:44.59 | Zorkman | (not everywhere, but in the cities) |
| 21:45.02 | ieatlint | well, parts of sf |
| 21:45.25 | zedstar_ | just port this to your neo http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/ |
| 21:45.36 | ieatlint | can add time by remote, and i think you can have it send you a reminder that you're time is nearly up |
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| 21:52.12 | spdr_ | ns identify 11213456 |
| 21:52.18 | trix | ok pizza party would be so great to have a gui interface for on the om |
| 21:52.20 | spdr_ | ns identify 11213456asdpoq |
| 21:52.24 | spdr_ | ohh :X |
| 21:52.47 | spdr_ | heh |
| 21:52.59 | spdr_ | any good irc client for 2007.02 |
| 21:53.00 | spdr_ | ? |
| 21:53.03 | trix | somehow i'd never seen that before |
| 21:53.31 | trix | dunno spdr. i have a jedi war with myself just trying to get wireless up between locations |
| 21:53.37 | ieatlint | heh, yeah, it's been around for like 5 years |
| 21:53.51 | ieatlint | but ... pizza hut |
| 21:54.04 | ieatlint | setting up a gui using pygtk would take very little time |
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| 21:54.20 | spdr_ | trix, using a GUI ? |
| 21:54.40 | Tanuva | ieatlint: but getting pygtk on the neo is a difficult task atm |
| 21:54.44 | trix | no, just via terminal, spdr |
| 21:54.51 | spdr_ | using a 'manual' (iwconfig) script i made works fine for me |
| 21:54.59 | ieatlint | Tanuva: not too difficult |
| 21:55.11 | spdr_ | atleast with WEP and Open networks |
| 21:55.25 | ieatlint | it's in this repo: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/ |
| 21:55.40 | Dave | ieatmint |
| 21:56.32 | trix | spdr, hmm. i have a wpa_supplicant.conf in place and it will work for me in my wpa2 wifi, but when i go somewhere else and try the ifdown/ifup eth0 it won't get a lease for some reason |
| 21:57.57 | trix | spdr, could i take a look at your iwconfig script? |
| 21:58.39 | ieatlint | hey dave |
| 21:59.08 | spdr_ | trix, yeah its pretty simple, sec |
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| 21:59.25 | spdr_ | let me just remove some home-area keys :) |
| 21:59.34 | trix | :) |
| 22:00.12 | ieatlint | if anyone has a curiosity to what the full boot text is: http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/P1-Snapshot-20080620-om-gta02.txt |
| 22:00.43 | SUNWjoejaxx | ieatlint: haha nice :) |
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| 22:01.50 | spdr_ | btw trix besides my ugly code, its written in perl :0 |
| 22:01.50 | Pjj | what is the 'best' image for the FR out there now? (most usuable/best battery lifetime) ? |
| 22:01.50 | Zorkman | thx ieatlint |
| 22:02.05 | ieatlint | np |
| 22:02.38 | trix | spdr, bet you my perl is uglier :p |
| 22:02.56 | spdr_ | trix, http://pastebin.ca/1152036 ---> Notice lines 50 and 51, you could just take the whole line 46 to 54 part.. |
| 22:04.19 | Zorkman | just to double check: when i talk the other person hears a cracking sound, does anyone know what i have to tweak (alsamixer, gsmhandsets.state)? |
| 22:04.58 | trix | ahh, thanks spdr |
| 22:05.08 | spdr_ | should probably ifdown so i can reconnect another network on a different channel |
| 22:05.48 | spdr_ | ah no, it just works :) |
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| 22:05.59 | trix | that doesn't include any preference given to encrypted networks right? |
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| 22:06.52 | spdr_ | no, it just does a scan and lets you pick by number |
| 22:07.06 | trix | oh nice |
| 22:09.40 | spdr_ | you could add if($keylist[$select]=="on") { print "Key: "; $key=<STDIN>; } to the sub as well i guess :) |
| 22:10.50 | Infoport | cga: I looked back in log, and you were announcing success... screen shot or it didn't happen! :-P |
| 22:11.01 | Infoport | cga: but a link to code would be better |
| 22:11.15 | trix | spdr, getting over and over again: run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/99avahi-autoipd exited with code 1 |
| 22:11.22 | trix | maybe a key problem on my wpa2 |
| 22:11.59 | spdr_ | trix, more than 3 times ? hmmm |
| 22:12.16 | trix | yeah got the message 4 times before i ctrl+c |
| 22:12.36 | spdr_ | sure the input for the key is correct? |
| 22:12.47 | trix | and now it's not scanning for some reason |
| 22:12.54 | trix | pretty sure, i'm using a string key |
| 22:13.06 | spdr_ | and u put it in as s:string ? |
| 22:13.20 | trix | yes |
| 22:13.31 | spdr_ | never tested WPA actually. but should work anyways |
| 22:13.38 | Tanuva | wpa works fine here |
| 22:13.53 | trix | $key="s:yodogsup!@#"; |
| 22:13.57 | Biovore | I got wep/wep2/wpa/wpa2 all working here.. |
| 22:14.07 | Infoport | cga is sleeping I guess...must be out of coffee :-D |
| 22:14.11 | Biovore | sorta a pain though.. very querky system.. |
| 22:14.11 | Tanuva | there is no wep2... |
| 22:14.19 | Biovore | 64/128 |
| 22:14.25 | spdr_ | try ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0, if it wont scan :0 |
| 22:14.26 | Tanuva | true |
| 22:14.37 | Biovore | no offical wep2 standard.. |
| 22:14.57 | Tanuva | Biovore: but I never heard wep2, just wep with different key length :) |
| 22:15.01 | Tanuva | yep |
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| 22:17.48 | spdr_ | you all got the wifi to work via a gui or terminal ? |
| 22:19.17 | spdr_ | Infoport, Biovore , Tanuva ? |
| 22:19.33 | Biovore | iwscan eth0 scan |
| 22:19.38 | Biovore | does it show up when you do that? |
| 22:20.04 | spdr_ | mine works, just curios |
| 22:20.10 | spdr_ | iwlist* |
| 22:20.17 | Biovore | yeah.. |
| 22:20.26 | spdr_ | curious* :) |
| 22:20.30 | Biovore | Mine seems to work |
| 22:23.03 | Tanuva | spdr_: terminal |
| 22:23.23 | Tanuva | I've just set it up the usual debian way :) |
| 22:23.40 | spdr_ | oh, your running deb? |
| 22:23.45 | Zorkman | is there already a way to get sound working after a suspend? |
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| 22:23.56 | spdr_ | i should really get a new sd already |
| 22:24.02 | Tanuva | spdr_: no, just wanted to say "by editing all nessecary config files by hand" |
| 22:24.24 | Tanuva | I'm running fso and I'm quite happy with it. except the sms thingy |
| 22:24.39 | ieatlint | what about sms? |
| 22:24.43 | spdr_ | oh |
| 22:24.50 | Tanuva | one doesn't get informed about new sms |
| 22:24.54 | Infoport | Tanuva: sorry, I havent used wifi on 2008.8 yet, and set it up on OM2007 but only connected once (I think having a USB-networking gateway defined is an issue, mentioned in wiki) |
| 22:24.59 | Tanuva | sending/receiving seems to work fine |
| 22:25.09 | spdr_ | i didnt think its usable as a phone :0 |
| 22:25.11 | ieatlint | yeah... that is a drawback, hehe |
| 22:25.30 | Tanuva | spdr_: thats the only purpose its usable for yet :D |
| 22:25.30 | ieatlint | fso has its issues, but i use it too |
| 22:25.41 | Tanuva | "usable" the om way |
| 22:25.59 | Tanuva | although illume is there, so you can install other apps, too |
| 22:26.07 | ieatlint | yep |
| 22:26.22 | Tanuva | Infoport: why sorry for that? :D |
| 22:27.33 | Infoport | Tanuva: don't know if I can help... I also use a key on *my* router, so it takes configuration |
| 22:27.36 | spdr_ | works grate om om2007 for me |
| 22:27.45 | spdr_ | s/om// |
| 22:28.00 | spdr_ | cool bot |
| 22:28.03 | spdr_ | :) |
| 22:28.05 | Tanuva | yep :) |
| 22:28.22 | Tanuva | although s/om // would have been nicer *FG* |
| 22:28.34 | Infoport | Tanuva: wifi sure would be nice, esp since tanogps (maybe others) has to download maps, as you go even |
| 22:28.36 | spdr_ | s/om\s// |
| 22:28.52 | ieatlint | apt: no |
| 22:28.53 | apt | YES |
| 22:28.59 | ieatlint | apt: screw you |
| 22:29.00 | apt | ACTION asks you to bend over |
| 22:29.11 | Tanuva | Infoport: yep, but I once had a fix in my room so I could download maps for my home from inside :D |
| 22:29.16 | ieatlint | apt: and how does that make you feel? |
| 22:29.24 | ieatlint | damn |
| 22:29.33 | Infoport | apt: why won't you help me? |
| 22:29.34 | apt | why not? |
| 22:29.41 | Tanuva | apt: m00! |
| 22:29.48 | Tanuva | pah.. |
| 22:29.51 | ieatlint | apt: halt den mund |
| 22:29.51 | apt | ACTION computes den mund then halts |
| 22:30.02 | Infoport | apt: ooooh, that phrase would always LOCK the Eliza program |
| 22:30.15 | Tanuva | *g* |
| 22:30.23 | Tanuva | ich glaub kaum, dass apt deutsch kann :D |
| 22:30.46 | ieatlint | apt: thanks |
| 22:30.46 | apt | ieatlint: pas de quoi |
| 22:31.05 | ieatlint | apparently his thanks vary in language... last time i saw it was in german :P |
| 22:31.14 | Tanuva | hehe |
| 22:31.15 | Infoport | apt: Por favor, dame un cigarillo. |
| 22:31.32 | spdr_ | any way to get icq on the pidgin moko? |
| 22:32.15 | Tanuva | install an icq plugin? |
| 22:32.24 | spdr_ | moko pidgin*, need sleep :) |
| 22:32.38 | Infoport | these bots are more fun than the ones who recommend "fun" web sites every other phrase |
| 22:32.51 | ieatlint | external wifi antenna connector? http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/pics/marked/dsc_5001-wifi.jpg |
| 22:34.11 | Infoport | btw, I bought a cheap gps antenna for $8.31 and no S&H! http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8859 |
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| 22:34.43 | Tanuva | s&h? |
| 22:35.15 | Infoport | no shipping and handling (S&H english abbreviation) |
| 22:35.15 | spdr_ | shipping and ... ? |
| 22:35.21 | spdr_ | oh |
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| 22:35.30 | Tanuva | ah |
| 22:35.38 | Infoport | sometimes places have a handling fee for box, foam, etc |
| 22:35.50 | ieatlint | s&h is american english i think even |
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| 22:37.07 | Infoport | not to plug dealextreme.com, but I went to 4-5 electronics or office stores and NONE had the right connector, plus antennas were $20-40. This was cheapest I found, and well it boosts! |
| 22:38.04 | Infoport | they ship from Hong Kong, took about a week to US, came registered and had to sign (actually I missed it, and postal employee let me wait for the driver to return to station!!! :-D ) |
| 22:38.35 | ieatlint | it doesn't tell you the gain |
| 22:39.20 | SpeedEvil | iea |
| 22:39.24 | SpeedEvil | Umm. |
| 22:39.25 | Infoport | ieatlint: it may be american english, it occurred to me. but lots of web stores use "S&H" too, so I'm used to it LOL |
| 22:39.26 | Tanuva | there at least WAS one on amazon for ~8⬠|
| 22:39.28 | SpeedEvil | Damn. |
| 22:39.33 | SpeedEvil | I measured the gain. |
| 22:39.53 | ieatlint | probably 26-27 |
| 22:40.01 | ieatlint | seems standard for those types of antennae |
| 22:40.07 | SpeedEvil | It was a fair amount. |
| 22:40.14 | Infoport | ieatlint: actually, I watched in the Openmoko GSP tester, under "SS" (Signal Strength) and it went up at least 20 |
| 22:40.34 | ieatlint | hey, SpeedEvil, i was considering ordering one of your screen shields... that $5 shipped? |
| 22:40.41 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: yes |
| 22:40.50 | ieatlint | paypal, or what? |
| 22:40.53 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:40.59 | Zorkman | i can't find pidgin ipk, anyone know where it is? opkg list |grep pidgin returns nothing |
| 22:41.23 | Infoport | ieatlint: others may be better, but without *real* reviews/comparisons, I didn't want to pay lots ($8.31!) |
| 22:41.48 | SpeedEvil | Check it's got the right connector! |
| 22:41.53 | Infoport | SpeedEvil: what sort of screen protector do you sell? have a link? |
| 22:42.01 | SpeedEvil | hang on |
| 22:42.28 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shop:Speedevil |
| 22:42.35 | Infoport | SpeedEvil: none of the gps antennas in local stores had right connector, but the one I listed fits fine |
| 22:42.35 | SpeedEvil | Though there is no picture. |
| 22:44.43 | Infoport | SpeedEvil: bookmarked! I may come back...I left the plastic on mine until it started to tear, and I appreciate real protectors |
| 22:45.16 | Tanuva | would like his invisibleshield to finally arrive :/ |
| 22:45.35 | Zorkman | joins Tanuva |
| 22:46.16 | Infoport | SpeedEvil: damn, I sort of wish for the capacitor installation to but says only UK...would prob drive me nuts waiting though |
| 22:46.41 | pjz | has an invisbleshield, it's not bad |
| 22:47.10 | Tanuva | pjz: not bad, but..? |
| 22:47.11 | Infoport | pjz: from SpeedEvil, or the ones available elsewhere? |
| 22:48.11 | SpeedEvil | The ones I'm peddling are not invisibleshields. |
| 22:48.32 | SpeedEvil | They are IME quite adequate screen protectors is all. |
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| 22:51.38 | Infoport | SpeedEvil: quite a bit less than what I've seen. I expect I would want to use one until scratched and replace-- easier when they are 1/3 price :D |
| 22:51.56 | Tanuva | hates fiddling round with edje without really knowing what to do to get it working >.< |
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| 22:54.01 | Infoport | SpeedEvil: do they reduce glare too, or "just" protect the phone? 3M says they can do anything with thin plastic :-/ |
| 22:54.25 | SpeedEvil | They look (to me) exactly as the unprotected screen does. |
| 22:55.38 | linuxxee | the writeright ones at walmart glare a little but are very durable |
| 22:56.42 | Infoport | ugh, I'll give a couple of bucks to not have to run the gauntlet of walmart |
| 22:56.49 | ieatlint | SpeedEvil: how about collecting dust/smudges? |
| 22:57.03 | linuxxee | why does fdisk fail on the sdcard? |
| 22:57.13 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: just like the screen does. - I've not noticed it collecting any dust. |
| 22:57.15 | ieatlint | i know the case covers the edge of the screen, but one of the protectors i have now gets all smudgy very quickly |
| 22:57.37 | linuxxee | its soft? |
| 22:58.10 | ieatlint | ok, well, you likely will be getting order from me when i can remember my paypal pass |
| 22:58.27 | SpeedEvil | linuxxee: soft? |
| 22:58.49 | SpeedEvil | linuxxee: sure you're not pointing it at the partition? |
| 22:59.12 | Infoport | OMG 2008.8 wifi looks like it will let me do the setup from the screen...a feature!! |
| 22:59.37 | linuxxee | an u can see your access point too |
| 23:05.52 | linuxxee | infoport u have the 20080810 image? |
| 23:05.55 | torindel | is running supertux on his moko |
| 23:06.15 | torindel | controlling this with touchscreen is wierd ;D |
| 23:06.41 | linuxxee | torindel u have which distro? |
| 23:06.47 | torindel | fso |
| 23:07.28 | Tanuva | in python: is there a try/except-like statement that is executed only if there was no exception? (like finally but with this criteria) |
| 23:08.03 | Infoport | linuxxee: no, I have updated OM2007 at least yesterday, and have OM2008.8 first release with some installed stuff |
| 23:08.35 | torindel | linuxxee: im getting uber 10 fps ;] |
| 23:08.47 | torindel | make that 8.5-10 |
| 23:09.02 | jomat|away | didn't find a way in the GUI to connect to a wifi-net on 2008.8 |
| 23:09.36 | linuxxee | cruel |
| 23:10.07 | Infoport | well, I dont think I entered the password correctly..it is LONG and with numbers-- keyboard + ***** shown makes it difficult |
| 23:10.51 | Zorkman | torindel, can you controll supertux with TS? |
| 23:11.13 | torindel | Zorkman: yep |
| 23:11.15 | Infoport | anybody know if you can configure a wifi connection in 2008.8 over SSH? |
| 23:11.26 | SpeedEvil | iwconfig? |
| 23:11.58 | Infoport | jomat: under settings, turn on wifi, and then available routers show up |
| 23:12.01 | Zorkman | torindel: have you tried landscape in 2008.8? the offset bug is back on my FR |
| 23:12.07 | torindel | Zorkman: but it would be a hell easier if you had 4 buttons for arrows XD |
| 23:12.09 | jomat|away | Infoport, I did it... but DHCP was declined by my server, didn't know why |
| 23:12.26 | torindel | Zorkman: nope |
| 23:12.45 | Infoport | jomat: but the damn predictive keyboard sometimes puts the char right in, and others waits for you to click in waiting area (or so it seemed, and I could tell otherwise) |
| 23:13.01 | jomat|away | Infoport, wifi says "unknow" (... Moment to verify, I have to reboot...) |
| 23:13.20 | Tanuva | arrrrrgh damn efl... I gotta have some sleep :/ |
| 23:15.46 | jomat|away | Infoport, iwconfig eth0 essid linksys;ifconfig eth0 192.168.4.15;echo nameserver 192.168.4.254 >> /etc/resolv.conf; route add default gw hotzenwirt.loc; did it for me. |
| 23:16.02 | jomat|away | hotzenwirt.loc resolves to 192.168.4.1 |
| 23:16.29 | Tanuva | hotzenwirt is a quite creative hostname. :D |
| 23:17.20 | jomat|away | Okay, 2008.8: Settings -> Wifi and then WiFi on the left side and unknown right on the screen. |
| 23:17.30 | jomat|away | thx :-) |
| 23:18.06 | jomat|away | hotzenwirt is a WRT54GL, and the WRT led me to wirt :-) |
| 23:18.33 | Infoport | jomat: I got unknown before too...don't know what changed/updated on 2008.8 |
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| 23:19.44 | jomat | I currently have ssid broadcast on and encryption off.... but the wlan-driver itself seems to work. |
| 23:20.13 | Infoport | jomat: I have a WRT too, a WRT54GS (running DD-WRT). got the right revision with the most memory :D |
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| 23:20.30 | Tanuva | the celtune repo doesn't seem to contain python-pygtk, anywhere else I could get that from? |
| 23:20.38 | jomat | grats, Infoport :-) |
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| 23:21.29 | jomat | I have an WRT54GS version 5 here... it sucks :-) But 3 other GL, mostly with OpenWRT :-) |
| 23:21.57 | Marcel_M | Tanuva: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/python-pygtk_2.10.4-ml8_armv4t.ipk |
| 23:22.22 | Infoport | jomat: I went to stores and read serial numbers, with a printout in my hand...finally had something the employees could HELP me do :-P |
| 23:22.26 | Tanuva | strange. I added that to opkg and it didnt find the package :/ |
| 23:22.32 | Tanuva | thanks anyway :) |
| 23:22.38 | jomat | *gg* |
| 23:22.43 | jomat | nice :-) |
| 23:23.01 | Infoport | SpeedEvil: do I HAVE to convert my key to hex for iwconfig? |
| 23:23.17 | Marcel_M | its currently not in the feed |
| 23:24.39 | Infoport | SpeedEvil: I read the man iwconfig, just trying to get simplify it (without removing encryption) |
| 23:28.42 | Infoport | jomat: I got the WRT54GS v3. still running DD-WRT v23"beta" |
| 23:30.20 | Zorkman | torindel: : are you running supertux on 2008.8?? |
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| 23:30.44 | kgoetz | supertux! |
| 23:31.11 | niklauz | SUPERTUX!!!! |
| 23:31.46 | kgoetz | SuperTux 1!!1eleventy!!one! |
| 23:32.46 | niklauz | Infoport: i'm sick of dd-wrt, i gather the author is removing more and more code from the gpl |
| 23:33.18 | Zorkman | grr supertux won't run on my 2008.8, will look at it tomorrow |
| 23:33.21 | Zorkman | g'night all |
| 23:34.28 | Infoport | niklauz: actually that is why I have never upgraded to DD-WRT v24. After all the complaining about Sevasoft and restrictions to getting src. :-( |
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| 23:35.13 | jomat | Infoport, ever managed WPA between two WDS nodes on dd-wrt? )now i somehow managed to kill my bt keyboard.... :-/ |
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| 23:36.29 | jomat | realizes, greek keyboard layout is somehow strange... |
| 23:36.29 | niklauz | Infoport: i'm waiting for a compelling reason to switch to openwrt, it's just the gui isn't yet as refined |
| 23:36.59 | Tanuva | really has to get a few hours of sleep |
| 23:37.22 | niklauz | Tanuva|off: nn :) |
| 23:39.54 | Infoport | niklauz: i mean Sveasoft http://www.sveasoftsucks.com/ |
| 23:40.55 | Infoport | niklauz: yeah, I didnt use OpenWRT b/c I alsready have too many hobbies to maintain, need to change my oil in VWs too |
| 23:41.48 | Infoport | jomat: no, although my neighbors sometime expose routers to DD-WRTs detection |
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| 23:47.51 | torindel | ZzzZzZZorkman: i said earlier that i was running it on fso ;] |
| 23:49.16 | Infoport | ugh, I am never going to type this password for wifi correctly with this touch-keyboard :-( |
| 23:50.25 | torindel | Infoport: try xrandr -o left first - rotated keyboard is bigger keyboard ;] |
| 23:50.27 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 23:50.32 | torindel | moin |
| 23:50.36 | rwhitby | returns from a weekend away from computers |
| 23:50.48 | raster | rwhitby: heathen! |
| 23:50.52 | raster | rwhitby: skiing? |
| 23:50.54 | raster | :) |
| 23:51.02 | rwhitby | raster: Scout Leader training |
| 23:51.09 | raster | ooh bummer |
| 23:51.15 | raster | i hear the snow is good |
| 23:51.54 | kgoetz | rwhitby: away from computers? how do you manage :/ |
| 23:52.04 | rwhitby | so, is 2008.08 useable yet? |
| 23:52.32 | Dave | Hallo |
| 23:53.09 | rwhitby | takes a dig at raster by proposing that once he leaves Openmoko they'll get back to focusing on stability rather than bling ;-) |
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| 23:53.55 | raster | rwhitby: dude. trust me. i was the one porposing slow incrimental changes and keeping the gtk 2007.2 app set and just fixing it up |
| 23:54.01 | rooly|away | so guys |
| 23:54.10 | raster | i was not happy with the qtopia thing |
| 23:54.11 | rooly|away | i'm considering making a 3d map viewer for the FR |
| 23:54.19 | rooly|away | looking at a name for it |
| 23:54.24 | rwhitby | raster: yeah, I know - but unfortunately your reputation makes everyone think the opposite :-) |
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| 23:54.51 | raster | rwhitby: nothgni wrong with bling. i tend to get it for free because i've got back-ends doing it for me :) |
| 23:55.06 | Dave | Qtopia thing? |
| 23:55.09 | raster | rwhitby: but overall the ui has even less usability than was written for it |
| 23:55.14 | raster | as its all turned off/hidden/removed |
| 23:55.17 | Dave | haha yeah |
| 23:55.17 | rooly|away | any name suggestions? |
| 23:55.25 | Dave | raster the rapscallion |
| 23:55.32 | rooly|away | it'll be using that 3d engine i have compiled called "Irrlicht" |
| 23:55.43 | rwhitby | rooly|away: "Elevation" |
| 23:55.52 | SpeedEvil | rooly|away: Isaac. In memorium. |
| 23:55.55 | rwhitby | (to fit in with all the other 2008.08 names) |
| 23:55.57 | rooly|away | was thinking something like "Irrth" |
| 23:56.32 | SpeedEvil | Doogle-Earth |
| 23:57.01 | rwhitby | FreeD |
| 23:57.11 | rooly|away | IrrthFreeD |
| 23:57.16 | jomat | would think of sth. like ImSumpf when he's hearing Irrlicht :-) |
| 23:58.23 | rooly|away | i'm gonna go with Irrth if you guys can't come up with something better |
| 23:58.36 | raster | ro i hope u've tested irrlicht on the FR... given a comparable dataset to what u want to display :) |
| 23:59.08 | rooly|away | not particularly, however i have *tested* irrlicht on the FR |
| 23:59.14 | rooly|away | see my video |
| 23:59.42 | raster | what video? |
