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| 00:04.46 | Pyrasi | pidgin works suprisingly well on the moko =) |
| 00:04.56 | tdobson | hmm. I'm tempted to write a script to setup a 2007.2 install the way I like them.... |
| 00:06.01 | tdobson | Pyrasi: indeed |
| 00:06.05 | ceda | Pyrasi: did you build pidgin youtself? |
| 00:06.18 | Pyrasi | no...installed it from the scaredycat repos |
| 00:06.38 | mwester | has an extra partition on the SD card to hold such a set of scripts, and a set of packages and other saved files so he can reflash and restore at will. |
| 00:06.54 | kgoetz | /m sees lots of stacktraces on FR |
| 00:07.10 | Pyrasi | now if only i could find an ipkg of lint-wifi id have everything i want..... |
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| 00:07.57 | rooly|away | just check out the lint-wifi page |
| 00:08.21 | Pyrasi | if you mean on the wiki...the link is broken |
| 00:08.50 | rooly|away | ic |
| 00:13.03 | kgoetz | its nice that the boots are visible now |
| 00:14.22 | ceda | it is :) |
| 00:14.30 | Guilt | so 2008.8 wasnt worth the hype eh |
| 00:14.34 | Guilt | so many fucking bugs |
| 00:14.35 | Guilt | :p |
| 00:14.55 | Guilt | for people who called me a whiner yesterday, see for yourself ;) |
| 00:15.02 | ceda | FSO is fun to play with though |
| 00:15.26 | jadams | heyyyy |
| 00:15.34 | rtm | Guilt: I agree with you. It's hard to imagine why they announced it with such fanfare today. |
| 00:15.37 | jadams | so I just got debian on my neo1973 an hour or so ago |
| 00:15.58 | kgoetz | jadams cool :) |
| 00:16.18 | jadams | kgoetz, I don't have it all sorted like I'd want to |
| 00:16.31 | jadams | I can't bring up an on screen keyboard yet |
| 00:16.37 | kgoetz | i have to say, i think theres to many games on the openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080807-om-gta02 image |
| 00:16.38 | jadams | just followed the wiki though |
| 00:17.04 | kgoetz | jadams let me know how it goes. i'll be trying it out at some point (after i finish playing with 08.08 probably) |
| 00:17.39 | jadams | kgoetz, I have a neo, so no 08.08 for me |
| 00:17.48 | kgoetz | jadams pardon? |
| 00:17.51 | rooly|away | is gonna stick with 08.08/07 for now |
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| 00:19.08 | kgoetz | decides to find/file a bug on the browser being in pim |
| 00:19.11 | tdobson | should normal x11 apps work on 2007.2? |
| 00:19.38 | rooly|away | yeah |
| 00:19.49 | tdobson | is about to try xmms.... |
| 00:19.51 | kgoetz | and terminal still isnt in 'utilities' :| |
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| 00:21.06 | Infoport | abraxa_: sorry I didn't google first...I thought it had something to do with a new phone and new OM2008.8 image maybe. |
| 00:21.08 | Infoport | abraxa_: (or anyone) is there a way to block those spoofed messages? complain to cell provider? I read lots of links from Google, and most seemed to have yahoos answering (esp. Yahoo Answers) but I'd rather have a *good* answer |
| 00:21.12 | rtm | tdobson: Yes. There are sometimes minor issues (fonts, etc), but I've found getting general X11 aps to run on 2007.2 quite easy. |
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| 00:22.05 | rooly|away | Infoport, are you talking about the blank messages with the weird symbol? |
| 00:22.09 | abraxa_ | Infoport: No worries. And unfortunately, I have no idea about the origin... in the long run however, Openmoko will include spam filtering :) |
| 00:23.09 | tdobson | rtm: cool. |
| 00:25.01 | Infoport | rooly|away: I got a blank message with attachment from a spoofed number (which seems to have been going on way before I got the phone, with other phone owners. it is a BIG PITA if you have limited text msgs, or prepaid bandwidth units, etc |
| 00:25.15 | Dave | hrm |
| 00:25.46 | jadams | anyone here run debian on their device? I don't know how to get usb networking working with it |
| 00:25.53 | rooly|away | i know that AT&T uses a special sms to announce voicemail |
| 00:26.43 | Dave | whines at Speedevil |
| 00:26.49 | Dave | needs more voltage |
| 00:27.14 | SpeedEvil | Dave: mail me the FR and hte battery, and I'll investigate :) |
| 00:27.38 | SpeedEvil | Dave: This one FR won't fully charge any battery you give to it? |
| 00:31.38 | Guilt | i'm going back to 2007.2 |
| 00:31.44 | Guilt | with mwester's kernel and changes |
| 00:31.51 | Guilt | and stick to it for a long while |
| 00:32.43 | jadams | Guilt, where can I get those files? |
| 00:32.53 | mwester | pokes at his newly reflashed freerunner, and wonders if 2008.8 needs to go back into the oven for a little while... |
| 00:32.56 | jadams | Guilt, I just installed debian on it, and it's awesome...but I want a phone phone |
| 00:33.13 | tdobson | lol |
| 00:33.50 | Guilt | jadams: http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#gtkuser |
| 00:34.00 | Guilt | the rootfs, i can maybe upload it to you :-) |
| 00:34.13 | Guilt | stupid fellas removed the 200807xx dailies from buildhost |
| 00:34.17 | Guilt | they were great |
| 00:34.22 | mwester | They did?? |
| 00:34.27 | jadams | Guilt, I'd love to get it uploaded, if at all possible |
| 00:34.36 | jadams | I've never had this thing usable as a phone |
| 00:34.42 | jadams | and I'd love to try it, just for a week, if the thing actually works |
| 00:34.47 | mwester | Scaredycat's repo doesn't have the 2007.2 images either? |
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| 00:35.17 | Guilt | mwester: yes they did. |
| 00:35.20 | Guilt | unfortunately. |
| 00:35.20 | mwester | notes that 2008.8 works better if one reboots a second time... |
| 00:35.57 | jadams | I just turned on compositing for my xfwm |
| 00:35.59 | jadams | it's great |
| 00:36.10 | mwester | Hmmm.... Ok. SHR was going to use 2007.2 as a base; looks like we'll have to start building complete images now. |
| 00:36.37 | jadams | Guilt: awesome, thanks tons |
| 00:36.43 | Guilt | yw :-) |
| 00:37.32 | Guilt | jadams: you may need to reboot twice.. the cdc_ether issue may be present in this guy. |
| 00:37.46 | Guilt | i wonder why they removed the modules.dep files or so ;p |
| 00:37.55 | Guilt | it just doesnt work the first time. |
| 00:38.03 | jadams | Guilt, it's alright. I'm going to keep debian on the SD to show my buddy compositing working |
| 00:38.11 | rtm | How does one kill an application running on 2008.8 using the GUI? |
| 00:38.14 | Guilt | cool |
| 00:38.19 | jadams | rtm: hit top bar, then hit remove |
| 00:38.23 | Guilt | yeah. |
| 00:38.32 | abraxa_ | mwester: Any response on the kernel list? |
| 00:38.34 | Guilt | jadams: how stable is debian? |
| 00:38.35 | rtm | jadams: THanks! |
| 00:38.40 | Guilt | and, does phonekit work? |
| 00:38.42 | jadams | Guilt, stable, but useless without a keyboard |
| 00:38.47 | jadams | Guilt, I don't have an on screen keyboard |
| 00:38.48 | Guilt | ah :/ |
| 00:38.55 | jadams | and I don't know how to connect to it via usb networking |
| 00:39.01 | jadams | there's prolly an easy way, but heck if I know |
| 00:39.05 | Guilt | well. i want to know if somebody is poky-ing |
| 00:39.11 | mwester | abraxa_: The stripped-down patches were submitted and are in stable now. |
| 00:39.43 | Guilt | mwester: what does that mean? |
| 00:39.46 | abraxa_ | rtm: If you want to know about the status of debian on the Neo, ask josch on #neo1973-germany - he used it a lot |
| 00:39.47 | mwester | Now we need user-space cooperation (i.e. mods to 2008.8 etc) to finish the job. |
| 00:40.06 | Guilt | mwester: can u publish 2007.2 images with your changes? |
| 00:40.29 | Guilt | like mount the jffs2, untar/patch and put it up. |
| 00:40.36 | abraxa_ | mwester: What did you strip exactly? I thought your code didn't mix with Andy's idea of generalization |
| 00:40.43 | jadams | Guilt, if I could get debian working with networking, I'd prefer to stick with that |
| 00:40.44 | mwester | Guilt: some suspend/resume issues are resolved, and a mechanism to keep the GSM asleep properly during suspend/resume is in place (but we couldn't get the whole patchset in, so we need the application to signal when the GSM is to be suspended/resumed) |
| 00:40.55 | rtm | abraxa: I appreciate the info, but I think it was someone else who inquired about Debian. |
| 00:41.15 | Guilt | jadams: it's the same config |
| 00:41.27 | abraxa_ | rtm: Somehow I keep talking to the wrong people today. Of course I meant Guilt. :) |
| 00:41.28 | jadams | Guilt, I tried what I normally do, to no avail |
| 00:41.35 | Guilt | stock openmoko uses the same set of files as debian (/etc/network/interfaces) |
| 00:41.48 | mwester | abraxa_: stripped out the suspend abort in the serial handler, removed the auto-flowcontrol mechanism. Also removed the flow-control-on-modem-ctrl stuff, but I agree that has to go. |
| 00:42.44 | abraxa_ | mwester: So you two are on speaking terms again now? ;) |
| 00:42.45 | jadams | but then, I don't even get a usb0 when I plug in |
| 00:42.45 | mwester | Guilt: I'd rather not host 2007.2 images unless necessary, but it seems that SHR will need something like that anyway. They'll end up hosted somewhere. |
| 00:42.45 | jadams | no dmesg messages |
| 00:42.45 | jadams | nothing |
| 00:43.01 | Guilt | i can host them up if you want :-) |
| 00:43.05 | jadams | think I'll reboot my laptop, it has all kinds of problems because of its wireless... |
| 00:43.14 | kgoetz | if i get todays daily from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/ will that be whats released as '2008.08'? |
| 00:43.16 | mwester | abraxa_: :) We've always been on speaking terms, it's just a question of what type of words we might direct to each other :D |
| 00:43.16 | jadams | this will be post-rootfs download from you, Guilt :) |
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| 00:43.30 | Guilt | hehehe :-) |
| 00:43.36 | abraxa_ | mwester: *laughs* - good call. And I'm more than relieved, to be honest. |
| 00:44.22 | mmontour | kgoetz: no, the buildhost dailies are from the "org.openmoko.dev" branch and the official release is from (AFAIK) org.openmoko.asu.stable |
| 00:44.45 | kgoetz | mmontour: roger. i'll go and find the proper image |
| 00:46.16 | rtm | Is anyone successfully using a T-mobile SIM with 2008.8? |
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| 00:47.24 | trix | rtm, i can dial calls but i haven't received any yet (t-mobile) |
| 00:47.57 | trix | i uhm, err, replaced my samsung with my FR as daily use phone yesterday |
| 00:48.09 | mwester | Nope, but I haven't tried the AT&T sim either. But it won't call with the T-Mobile SIM; earlier ASU versions would. |
| 00:49.22 | kgoetz | mmontour: i've found the 0808 images - might leave them to download at work though ;) |
| 00:49.23 | rtm | trix: Thanks - I was having trouble with mine, but now it seems to have started working. |
| 00:49.31 | kgoetz | afk for a while though |
| 00:50.27 | rooly|away | is there any cmd method to put the phone into standby mode? |
| 00:51.36 | SpeedEvil | apm -s |
| 00:51.38 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 00:51.41 | rtm | trix: Did you have to do anything to configure the dialer? My T-Mobile SIM works fine with 2007.2, but with 2008.8 it pretends to dial, but never connects. |
| 00:52.17 | trix | rtm no it worked fine for me just dialing the call as usual, that sounds pretty bad though. |
| 00:52.48 | trix | i'm reflashing to 2007.2 again, myself |
| 00:53.21 | mwester | YES! :) 2008.8 uses apm when it sleeps (unlike qtopia and earlier versions of ASU). |
| 00:54.02 | rtm | trix: I'll be going back to 2007.2 again soon too. 2008.8 is really amazingly buggy. |
| 00:55.40 | trix | rtm, yeah, i'm pretty sure i've missed a few calls today with the new software. i was starting to feel pretty confident about using 2007* as a daily use phone, call quality issues notwithstanding |
| 00:59.41 | Dave | silly rabbit! |
| 00:59.59 | trix | i know, i know. |
| 01:02.00 | dbmoodb | rtm: yep |
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| 01:03.20 | rtm | Does anyone know what the three small + signs at the bottom of the 2008.8 home screen do, if anything? |
| 01:04.17 | lpotter | qtopia uses apm to sleep |
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| 01:05.27 | jadams | I want 2008.8 on a neo |
| 01:05.37 | dbmoodb | jadams: its really not worth it atm |
| 01:05.47 | dbmoodb | put it on an sd card |
| 01:05.47 | spdr_ | i want 2008 to work on my neo. |
| 01:05.50 | jadams | fso supposedly gets the neo gps working on the next milestone |
| 01:06.05 | jadams | anyone using a neo daily as a phone? |
| 01:06.06 | rtm | jadams: The rootfs shipped with the neo1973 was more functional. |
| 01:06.21 | spdr_ | jadams, did once, with 2007.02 |
| 01:06.26 | spdr_ | not so reliable .. |
| 01:07.06 | mwester | lpotter: grep found /sys/power/state in the sources, with code that looked like it was working code... |
| 01:07.18 | lpotter | yes, thats what it used to do. |
| 01:07.27 | spdr_ | people complaint the hear themselves echo, and when i had another call pending it cut me off both |
| 01:07.38 | lpotter | when I integrated your kernel, I made it use aps |
| 01:07.39 | lpotter | apm |
| 01:08.03 | mwester | Ah, ok. I can't say I'm a fan of apm, but at least it lets other apps participate in the suspend/resume stuff. |
| 01:08.11 | dbmoodb | acpi anyone ? |
| 01:08.57 | spdr_ | oh, flashing led == kernel panic :\ |
| 01:09.06 | dbmoodb | spdr_: or charging |
| 01:09.08 | mwester | lpotter: Is there a tar image for qtopia as well? I'm trying to see if I can fit one of every image on my SD card... :D |
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| 01:09.29 | lpotter | there is a binary only tarblal update |
| 01:09.33 | spdr_ | i thought charging was constant led |
| 01:09.46 | Guilt | mwester: your kernel looks promising |
| 01:09.47 | Guilt | :-) |
| 01:10.01 | mwester | lpotter: thanks, I'll download that. |
| 01:10.20 | dbmoodb | spdr_: good point |
| 01:10.27 | spdr_ | back to 2007.. |
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| 01:10.52 | jadams | does anything like a usable shr exist? |
| 01:11.36 | greg-g | quick question, does anyone know which Creative Commons license the schematics will be releaed under? |
| 01:11.39 | dbmoodb | jadams: i wish.. for that i'm going to say debian in a chroot and 2007.2 / qtopia on it |
| 01:11.49 | dbmoodb | (debian on an sd card) |
| 01:12.14 | chillywilly | lalala |
| 01:12.27 | dbmoodb | anyone know who wifi works on 2008.8? |
| 01:12.57 | mwester | jadams: most recent comment from one of the SHR devs: <MarcOChapeau> things "should" work |
| 01:13.14 | mwester | :D So I guess that would be a definite "maybe". |
| 01:13.25 | greg-g | (and yes, I did read the Press Release, it wasn't in there, they just said "a Creative Commons license" with there being 6 mains ones, that doesn't help much ;) ) |
| 01:13.33 | Dave | :) |
| 01:13.42 | Dave | more qtopia packages please! |
| 01:13.44 | jadams | mwester, do you know who I would talk to if I wanted to test SHR on a neo? |
| 01:13.46 | Guilt | the agps diagnostic UI is gone :(( |
| 01:14.02 | Dave | Guilt, huh? |
| 01:14.02 | dbmoodb | Guilt: opkg install it |
| 01:14.11 | Dave | There's a 2.0 version too :p |
| 01:14.16 | spdr_ | dbmoodb, any idea if debian will fit into the sd card that comes with FR ? |
| 01:14.26 | dbmoodb | spdr_: what do you want on debian? |
| 01:14.30 | Guilt | it's not in opkg list |
| 01:14.36 | mwester | jadams: hang around in #openmoko-cdevel; someone might be able to help there (but they're all asleep right now) |
| 01:14.38 | dbmoodb | no x --server or x apps its a yes |
| 01:14.39 | spdr_ | ammm, wifi and a browser |
| 01:15.02 | dbmoodb | ah browser probably not --i like minimo tho.... |
| 01:15.04 | abraxa_ | jadams: It's not ready to be tested yet, unfortunately. You can contribute as a developer, however |
| 01:15.18 | spdr_ | wont minimo + deb fit ? |
| 01:15.29 | jadams | abraxa_, I mostly write using scripting languages these days. Primarily Ruby. |
| 01:15.30 | spdr_ | i just need a new card. |
| 01:15.31 | dbmoodb | well.... xorg might just with blackbox |
| 01:15.52 | dbmoodb | i found i could fit that.... |
| 01:16.03 | jadams | spdr_, get a 2G, they're cheep |
| 01:16.06 | jadams | cheap* |
| 01:16.11 | matholio | which of the celtune repos do I not need on a FR ? |
| 01:16.14 | spdr_ | might as well take a bigger one |
| 01:16.20 | dbmoodb | spdr_: the problem is very few are still helping out with it / contributing the debian wiki really |
| 01:16.22 | spdr_ | how big do they come anyways ? |
| 01:16.36 | spdr_ | 8 gb ? |
| 01:16.52 | spdr_ | dbmoodb, i find debian easy to figure out :) |
| 01:17.03 | spdr_ | or atleast easier |
| 01:17.08 | dbmoodb | spdr_: yah well get back to me once you get things configured |
| 01:17.14 | dbmoodb | spdr_: me too dpkg for the win |
| 01:17.18 | dbmoodb | ~dpkg |
| 01:17.18 | apt | well, dpkg is a bot, or the low-level command to install and manipulate Debian package files (.debs). |
| 01:18.22 | dbmoodb | spdr_: try ext3 my ext2 partition and vfat one kind of died... |
| 01:18.50 | dbmoodb | it was rather odd and i'm not really wanting to retest ext2 again... |
| 01:19.03 | spdr_ | sure ext3 should work? ill take a look once i finish flashing 2007.02 |
| 01:19.51 | dbmoodb | spdr_: it would work but its not that great for the sdcard apparently |
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| 01:20.00 | dbmoodb | it does work i have used it |
| 01:21.28 | spdr_ | cool, ill give it a try |
| 01:21.37 | Psi | 2008.8 is for gta01 and gta02, right? |
| 01:21.39 | dbmoodb | spdr_: i didn't get gdm autologin to work for reasons unknown to me rofl |
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| 01:22.19 | dbmoodb | spdr_: if your going to boot into it watch which kernel you use -- see the wiki |
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| 01:22.54 | spdr_ | reading it right now :) |
| 01:23.04 | spdr_ | btw, any idea what chipset is used for wifi ? |
| 01:23.24 | kd8ikt | atheros |
| 01:23.40 | dbmoodb | spdr_: its meant to work apparently -- i didn't test it tho |
| 01:23.47 | spdr_ | could it be used to inject packets? ^_^ |
| 01:23.54 | dbmoodb | spdr_: no |
| 01:23.58 | spdr_ | sucks :) |
| 01:24.01 | dbmoodb | not at the present time |
| 01:24.15 | wyze | does anyone here have or have used a USB UMTS (or HSDPA) dongle? |
| 01:24.15 | dbmoodb | i'm trying to get an rt73 module into my kernel tho :) |
| 01:24.22 | kd8ikt | Accton (WLAN 802.11b/g SiP-M WM3236AQ(Flash Ver:2.0 Atheros AR6001GZ) |
| 01:24.27 | SpeedEvil | wyze: I've thought of buying one. |
| 01:24.37 | wyze | same here |
| 01:24.41 | dbmoodb | wyze: check out if it works on linux first tho |
| 01:24.41 | Psi | actually the 2008.8 rootfs is 68MB so ill take that as a no, since gta01 only has 64mb flash |
| 01:25.01 | SpeedEvil | wyze: where are you? |
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| 01:25.08 | wyze | GPRS is killing me :/ |
| 01:25.11 | wyze | seattle |
| 01:25.24 | SpeedEvil | wyze: dunno what it'd be there. |
| 01:25.27 | AntonTakk | battery life, or? |
| 01:25.43 | SpeedEvil | wyze: google eeepc utms |
| 01:26.12 | wyze | SpeedEvil: i can figure it out, I'm just wondering if anyone has used one and what the 'actual' speed was |
| 01:26.26 | SpeedEvil | wyze: _highly_ variable as to where you are. |
| 01:26.33 | SpeedEvil | wyze: google seattle utms speed ? |
| 01:26.54 | SpeedEvil | IITC 7Mbit/sec near heathrow in london, forex. |
| 01:26.56 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 01:27.40 | wyze | SpeedEvil: thats not bad... UMTS or HSDPA? |
| 01:30.29 | SpeedEvil | wyze: unsure. |
| 01:30.37 | SpeedEvil | wyze: that is a very unusual case though. |
| 01:30.49 | wyze | hmm |
| 01:31.49 | linuxxr | 4GB SDHC Class 6 (7MB/sec) |
| 01:31.59 | linuxxr | is that the card we need? |
| 01:32.00 | AntonTakk | so, impressions of the first official asu build? |
| 01:32.04 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: not in a FR :) |
| 01:32.11 | SpeedEvil | linuxxr: I mean the speed |
| 01:32.18 | linuxxr | oo |
| 01:32.30 | linuxxr | then whats best |
| 01:32.37 | SpeedEvil | Well... |
| 01:32.42 | AntonTakk | 8gb and slower :) |
| 01:32.57 | SpeedEvil | I have a 4G card in my neo1973, and I get 3M/s on it, and 12M/s on USB |
| 01:33.03 | SpeedEvil | USB2 to my desktop |
| 01:33.17 | linuxxr | so class 4? |
| 01:33.23 | SpeedEvil | reportedly FR is slower. |
| 01:33.29 | SpeedEvil | Can anyone do some tests? |
| 01:33.40 | mwester | ouch. but still, it's faster than the jffs, no? |
| 01:33.43 | retracile | Oh lovely. openmoko-today has a memory leak: |
| 01:33.50 | retracile | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S PU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND |
| 01:33.55 | retracile | 1660 root 20 0 187m 6804 492 R 18.7 5.4 99:19.84 openmoko-today |
| 01:34.10 | SpeedEvil | mwester: ext2 |
| 01:34.37 | SpeedEvil | retracile: that's why god gave you large cheap microSD cards, and swapon. |
| 01:34.44 | retracile | The phone was very slow to respond while like this. |
| 01:35.08 | retracile | SpeedEvil: Yeah, I think I'll be doing that. But that only make the pain take longer. |
| 01:35.12 | mwester | Yes, ext2/3 on the SD card vs jffs2 on the internal flash -- even with the slow SD speeds, it should still be faster. |
| 01:35.28 | AntonTakk | retracile: create a script that runs once/hour and kills/restarts today? |
| 01:35.40 | kd8ikt | yeah i bought a replacement 2GB card for 10$ |
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| 01:35.53 | retracile | AntonTakk: ugh. |
| 01:36.20 | jadams | so cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 is giving No such file or directory |
| 01:36.26 | jadams | but it exists, I even tab-complete id |
| 01:36.29 | jadams | it* |
| 01:36.34 | kd8ikt | heh yeah thats not fixing the problem thats just sweeping it under the rug |
| 01:36.58 | Dave | :) |
| 01:37.05 | AntonTakk | kd8ikt: yes, but it has the effect of being a *very* large rug :) |
| 01:37.42 | kd8ikt | its now hello world thats for sure |
| 01:37.46 | kd8ikt | no* |
| 01:38.29 | mwester | has a brilliant idea -- let's write the entire phone stack, from the OS upwards, in Java! That way we'll have no memory leak issues :D |
| 01:38.44 | retracile | takes careful aim at mwester |
| 01:38.47 | mwester | Oh wait -- isn't someone already doing that? |
| 01:38.50 | SpeedEvil | threaded intercal. |
| 01:39.10 | mwester | Perl! |
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| 01:39.44 | mwester | actually, I think we should just run emacs on it, and write the phone stack as emacs extensions. |
| 01:39.53 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 01:39.53 | dbmoodb | mwester: why not just put a working stable already made distro on it rofl? |
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| 01:40.39 | dbmoodb | mwester: i think some one already has it |
| 01:40.54 | retracile | hm. is hald supposed to be a memory hog too? |
| 01:40.56 | retracile | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.00 | SpeedEvil | On this topic. |
| 01:41.02 | SpeedEvil | http://qdb.us/190128 |
| 01:41.08 | linuxxr | SanDisk flash memory card - 8 GB - microSDHC Class 4 |
| 01:41.09 | linuxxr | Form Factor MicroSDHC |
| 01:41.25 | linuxxr | is that it? |
| 01:41.41 | linuxxr | http://www.antonline.com/p_SDSDQR-8192-A11M-NX_474928.htm |
| 01:42.07 | linuxxr | thats 4 bucks cheaper than walmarts 4 gb |
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| 01:42.32 | kd8ikt | and double the pleasure |
| 01:43.40 | mwester | notes tigerdirect.com has the kingston 1GB microsd for USD 3.99 |
| 01:43.44 | mwester | costs more to ship it... |
| 01:43.59 | SpeedEvil | mwester: IIRC dealextreme quoted something like $2 at 100 |
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| 01:44.25 | retracile | Is there a preferred way of restarting hald? |
| 01:45.17 | dns53 | i think i've messed up my network/interfaces config on my device, can someone pastebin thair config? |
| 01:45.56 | Guilt | does anyone havee the agps diagnostic UI? |
| 01:46.22 | Guilt | ipk files |
| 01:46.44 | stephelton | has anyone else had issues with gsm on 2008.8? |
| 01:48.12 | AntonTakk | stephelton: known issues on the 2008.8 page lists gsm problems |
| 01:48.33 | stephelton | AntonTakk: those aren't hat i'm seeing |
| 01:48.41 | AntonTakk | ah |
| 01:48.43 | stephelton | i can't even register with the network |
| 01:48.47 | stephelton | i've been trying for hours |
| 01:48.56 | AntonTakk | i'm just flashiing it my self, so I can't really say |
| 01:49.03 | stephelton | \= |
| 01:49.39 | AntonTakk | what problem you seeing? |
| 01:49.39 | stephelton | the old 2007.2 gave me a menu to force the modem up/down and attempt 'auto register,' is there something similar with the 2008.8? |
| 01:49.47 | stephelton | it just wont register. |
| 01:50.05 | AntonTakk | exposure aka settings should let you turn gsm off/on |
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| 01:52.15 | stephelton | it doesn't have anything regarding gsm |
| 01:52.38 | rtm | I hereby apologise for some of my earlier remarks about 2008.8. It was extremely sluggish, and could not make calls, until I had rebooted it a few times. Now I can make calls, and it is much less sluggish. |
| 01:54.41 | AntonTakk | rtm: it needs it's morning coffee :) |
| 01:55.03 | kd8ikt | ugh i hate tiger direct mwester |
| 01:55.19 | kd8ikt | they suck the big one |
| 01:55.31 | mwester | Good, that leaves more stuff for me to buy then! |
| 01:55.58 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 01:58.40 | Guilt | mwester: i'm getting these things in ur kernel: |
| 01:58.56 | Guilt | kobject_add failed for g_ether with -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same directory. |
| 01:59.01 | mwester | :) |
| 01:59.07 | Guilt | :-D |
| 01:59.16 | linuxxr | a 4 ggb an a 2gb is all a guy needs |
| 01:59.36 | mwester | Ignore them. Your rootfs is trying to load modules but the drivers are built into the kernel already. |
| 01:59.48 | linuxxr | get them out |
| 02:00.18 | mwester | you can rename /etc/modules IIRC to stop that, but then if you reflash the original kernel, it won't boot. So I'd suggest just to ignore the messages until you decide if you want to stay with that kernel or not. |
| 02:02.17 | mwester | With the exception of some neat (I think they're neat, anyway) diagnostic things, shortly the standard OM kernel will have the "right stuff" and mine can just evaporate.... |
| 02:02.41 | Guilt | mwester: any idea on how to fix ecore problems |
| 02:03.08 | AntonTakk | Guilt: "ecore problems"? |
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| 02:14.39 | Guilt | yes |
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| 02:16.57 | bkrus1 | XorA: Hey, you there? |
| 02:18.13 | Guilt | AntonTakk: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1732 |
| 02:20.44 | mwester | Ah, yes. The boots. The "NAUGHTY PROGRAMMER!!! SPANK SPANK SPANK!!!"... halmarks of a product that's needs a bit developer-humor removal applied yet. :D |
| 02:21.13 | mwester | attempts to parse that sentence, and decides its time for break from the computer. |
| 02:22.07 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 02:22.12 | AntonTakk | asu is locked up |
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| 02:23.40 | rooly|away | oy vey |
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| 02:24.19 | AntonTakk | successfully executes the old fso reboot proceedure |
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| 02:28.20 | Guilt | mwester: how to fix that. any ideas? |
| 02:29.05 | AntonTakk | make your input handle pointer not be null? |
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| 02:30.45 | mwester | Yeah, get a better grip on your input handle. |
| 02:31.05 | mwester | Nope, no idea... |
| 02:32.43 | mmaestri | anybody knows if opkg upgrade breaks in some way a fso m2 these days? |
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| 02:33.31 | Guilt | heh |
| 02:33.32 | Guilt | humor |
| 02:33.33 | niklauz | impressive... would OM run on this hardware? http://www.uniconsys.com/index.php/platforms |
| 02:34.01 | mmaestri | because i've just reflashed fso...and last time i upgraded it ended all messed up |
| 02:34.20 | linuxxr | u get todays image? |
| 02:34.22 | mmaestri | (i'm upgrading anyway, just asking) |
| 02:34.48 | linuxxr | wifi work? |
| 02:34.54 | gargoyle_grin | What on earth. I can't opkg update. |
| 02:35.21 | mmaestri | linuxxr: nope, using the only fso m2 available |
| 02:35.33 | gargoyle_grin | Takes forever for it to timeout on each download, but the downloads aren't succeeding. |
| 02:35.51 | AntonTakk | niklauz: i don't see why not, can't guarantee hardware support for all of it, but i'm no expert |
| 02:37.42 | linuxxr | i cant get todays qtopia image to download |
| 02:38.50 | dbmoodb | cough cough use existing stable distro cough |
| 02:39.09 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rfcfe28591bf4 10/ (MANIFEST.in setup.py): add support for 'setup.py sdist' |
| 02:39.10 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r8fdd4bf44b21 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Remove old autotools files |
| 02:39.33 | niklauz | some of this stuff is freaking awesome, i really want a touchscreen netbook (running linux of course) that i can use to comfortably telecom, create and read simple documents and occasionally watch video |
| 02:39.35 | gargoyle_grin | I thought 2008.08 was supposed to be stable... |
| 02:39.37 | linuxxr | 2007.2? |
| 02:39.46 | linuxxr | cough cough |
| 02:40.08 | dbmoodb | cough cough debootstraps debian cough |
| 02:40.23 | dbmoodb | yeah i know 2008.8 was meant to be stable.. i prefer 2007.2 |
| 02:40.39 | Staticwave_Ace | I prefer 2007.2 as well |
| 02:41.05 | dbmoodb | lovely just tell openmoko that rofl |
| 02:41.14 | niklauz | AntonTakk: it's designed to run linux and even comes with an sdk w/ a sample kernel |
| 02:41.14 | gargoyle_grin | Crap. |
| 02:41.35 | linuxxr | well get to hacking then |
| 02:41.36 | niklauz | it's one of the selling points :D |
| 02:41.48 | Staticwave_Ace | yeah |
| 02:41.50 | Staticwave_Ace | get hacking |
| 02:41.52 | Biovore | thats why I got it.. |
| 02:41.55 | dbmoodb | !start the hacking |
| 02:42.03 | niklauz | loves him some linux |
| 02:42.07 | linuxxr | let the hacking begin |
| 02:42.11 | Staticwave_Ace | that plus PhD in something completely unreleated |
| 02:42.25 | dbmoodb | Staticwave_Ace: unrelated ? |
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| 02:42.34 | dbmoodb | oh common its all related somehow ;) |
| 02:42.48 | Staticwave_Ace | dbmoodb: well, all my programming stuff is untrained |
| 02:42.54 | Staticwave_Ace | I'm doing physics |
| 02:43.41 | gargoyle_grin | Hmm. Well, thanks for the input on 2008.08 vs. 2007.2 |
| 02:46.59 | linuxxr | i had the 2008.8 on for for 2 hours an i didnt make a good call |
| 02:47.15 | linuxxr | so i put fso on |
| 02:47.31 | linuxxr | it works |
| 02:47.39 | Staticwave_Ace | flashing the new qtopia to see how it is |
| 02:47.42 | Staticwave_Ace | (released today) |
| 02:47.45 | gargoyle_grin | Calls work fine for me. It's wifi... and upgrading... and screen locking... and suspend... and the keyboard... that don't work for me. |
| 02:47.51 | linuxxr | link me |
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| 02:48.02 | linuxxr | i cant get it to download |
| 02:48.14 | Staticwave_Ace | http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=77 |
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| 02:48.16 | dbmoodb | gargoyle_grin: its got wifi (qtopia) ? |
| 02:48.31 | Staticwave_Ace | the latest update says "Fixed: improve wifi handling" |
| 02:48.34 | Staticwave_Ace | so I assume it does |
| 02:49.12 | dbmoodb | wait so qtopia now has wifi ? |
| 02:49.24 | Staticwave_Ace | flashing now, we'll see |
| 02:49.29 | threede2 | hi |
| 02:49.30 | linuxxr | i still cant downloasd it |
| 02:49.38 | linuxxr | im such a noob |
| 02:49.44 | dbmoodb | report back |
| 02:49.57 | Staticwave_Ace | linuxxr: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=77 |
| 02:50.08 | linuxxr | thanks |
| 02:50.20 | dbmoodb | works for me |
| 02:50.31 | threede2 | linuxxr: the world is a noob |
| 02:50.38 | linuxxr | i just get vista.php |
| 02:51.00 | gargoyle_grin | Oh. Sorry. Was afk for a minute. |
| 02:51.18 | gargoyle_grin | I'm not using qtopia. I'm using 2008.08. |
| 02:51.27 | Staticwave_Ace | linuxxr: are you using a browser? |
| 02:51.41 | gargoyle_grin | Or are you suggesting that I switch to qtopia? |
| 02:51.52 | Staticwave_Ace | I am testing it soon as flash is done |
| 02:52.38 | linuxxr | heer we go |
| 02:53.35 | dbmoodb | Staticwave_Ace: sounds like fun :) |
| 02:54.53 | mmaestri | are you still having problems with usb network? |
| 02:55.03 | mmaestri | is it a bug on the latest kernel? |
| 02:55.27 | mwester | 2008.8 gives me an endless stream on CMS ERROR: 321 messages from the GSM, at high speed. |
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| 02:56.10 | mwester | Probably something very simple, but it certainly isn't going to be able to talk to the network that way. |
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| 02:56.28 | linuxxr | i could mak a call on 2008.8 but i couldnt hear an the other party counlnt hear me |
| 02:56.32 | Pyrasi | has there been a fix for the sd card being mounted in the wrong location after suspend? |
| 02:56.52 | mmaestri | can someone point me to the latest kernel that doesn't fail at usb network? |
| 02:56.58 | balrog-kun | mwester: it's because there are no messages on SIM card |
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| 02:57.25 | balrog-kun | mwester: ti calypso reports empty sms storage in a non-standard way that qtopia doesn't know about (yet) |
| 02:57.39 | mwester | But it used to work ok, didn't it? |
| 02:57.51 | mwester | Or is this some new functionality? |
| 02:57.52 | balrog-kun | mwester: no idea |
| 02:57.59 | balrog-kun | i've not used ASU yet |
| 02:58.13 | AntonTakk | mwester: maybe qtopia used to ignore unknown errors? ;) |
| 02:58.16 | koenigjm | Evenin all, I was wondering if any out there had an older neo 1973 (with a functioning LCD) that they would be willing to part with. |
| 02:58.57 | koenigjm | My freerunner's screen was cracked tonight, so I am in the market for a repair |
| 02:59.12 | threede2 | what is ASU |
| 02:59.45 | mmaestri | (it's just me having issues with usb network?) |
| 02:59.47 | rooly|away | iirc, threede2, i believe it stands for "august software update" |
| 02:59.53 | balrog-kun | ~asu |
| 02:59.53 | apt | rumour has it, asu is the April Software Update, an release name for a OpenMoko distribution. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan. |
| 03:00.00 | mmaestri | feels alone, in the dark |
| 03:00.09 | rooly|away | mmaestri, i have quirks here and there |
| 03:00.16 | rooly|away | but they usually sort themselves out |
| 03:00.21 | threede2 | rool thanks |
| 03:00.59 | mmaestri | rooly|away: yes, i guess so...but not having usb network is kind a pain in the arse to me |
| 03:01.27 | Staticwave_Ace | dbmoodb: I don't see anything re:wifi in qtopia |
| 03:01.30 | Pyrasi | does anyone know where i could find an ipk of lint-wifi? the link on the wiki is broken. |
| 03:01.43 | balrog-kun | mmaestri: what's the issue with usb networking? |
| 03:02.19 | rooly|away | wonders what drug all the psychodelic icons came from |
| 03:02.36 | Pyrasi | lol |
| 03:02.45 | mmaestri | balrog-kun: some kernels fail at loading the modules, i guess |
| 03:03.19 | rooly|away | did everyone see my "3d on the FR" videos? |
| 03:03.32 | Pyrasi | no |
| 03:03.36 | Pyrasi | link? |
| 03:03.39 | rooly|away | 1 sec |
| 03:04.02 | rooly|away | http://rooly.g0dsoft.com/blog4.php/2008/08/02/the-openmoko-freerunner |
| 03:04.06 | threede2 | 3d what? |
| 03:05.19 | mmaestri | ok, i've just found out that my image is broken again... |
| 03:06.34 | mmaestri | wonders why, oh why it has to happen to me. again. |
| 03:07.11 | threede2 | wonders what a broken image is |
| 03:07.23 | rooly|away | decided to turn off animations |
| 03:07.27 | rooly|away | runs much better now |
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| 03:09.07 | linuxxr | ok |
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| 03:09.23 | gargoyle_grin | Anybody using SHR or FSO? |
| 03:09.32 | linuxxr | i was |
| 03:09.37 | linuxxr | fso |
| 03:09.38 | threede2 | SHR? |
| 03:09.49 | mmaestri | gargoyle_grin: i was, until it exploded a few minutes ago |
| 03:09.56 | mmaestri | fso |
| 03:10.02 | gargoyle_grin | FreeSmartPhone.org or Stable Hybrid Release. |
| 03:10.10 | gargoyle_grin | What did you think of it mmaestri? |
| 03:10.16 | gargoyle_grin | And, which one were you using? |
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| 03:10.50 | mmaestri | gargoyle_grin: i like fso |
| 03:11.16 | mmaestri | but it only makes sense if you can build your own image |
| 03:11.19 | threede2 | is fso another distro? |
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| 03:11.24 | linuxxr | how do u input a # when u call somewhere and an answering system ask fot a # input in fso? |
| 03:11.28 | mmaestri | upgrade only break things |
| 03:11.44 | gargoyle_grin | Yeah. I think I may switch to FSO. 2008.08 didn't work well for me at all. |
| 03:12.00 | linuxxr | me neither but im a noob |
| 03:12.07 | balrog-kun | rooly|away: neat |
| 03:12.15 | mmaestri | and you cannot trust repositories, because packages break other without warning |
| 03:12.24 | ieatlint | linuxxr, there's a patch that will soon be out from what i hear |
| 03:12.28 | ieatlint | right now, you can't |
| 03:12.32 | linuxxr | cool |
| 03:12.47 | linuxxr | i knew to wait but i couldnt:) |
| 03:12.48 | dbmoodb | Staticwave_Ace: try sshing and iwconfig ? |
| 03:13.04 | gargoyle_grin | I'm even considering starting my own distro using Gentoo. |
| 03:13.13 | gargoyle_grin | crossdev, etc... |
| 03:13.25 | Staticwave_Ace | dbmoodb: well I'm sure that works, but whats the point? |
| 03:13.30 | threede2 | what is crossdev |
| 03:13.49 | linuxxr | now we need about 2 more hardware mfg |
| 03:13.54 | dbmoodb | Staticwave_Ace: so it has wireless... -- it has a terminal no ? |
| 03:13.58 | dbmoodb | what about a browser these days ? |
| 03:13.59 | ieatlint | crossdev is a system gentoo setup to ease in the creation of a cross-compiling toolchain |
| 03:14.11 | linuxxr | then things will start cracking |
| 03:14.11 | bkrus1 | mickey|dinner: ping me when you get back |
| 03:14.11 | Staticwave_Ace | dbmoodb: terminal yes, browser, not that I could find |
| 03:14.12 | ieatlint | it also allows you to use gentoo's package system to compile programs for the toolchain |
| 03:14.15 | gargoyle_grin | I'm not sure whether it's a Gentoo-specific utility, or a general GNU/Linux utility, but it's for cross-compilation. |
| 03:14.20 | bkrus1 | XorA|gone: You there? :[ |
| 03:14.24 | gargoyle_grin | Ah. Yeah. Thanks, ieatlint. |
| 03:14.31 | ieatlint | gargoyle_grin, have you used crossdev at all? |
| 03:14.34 | threede2 | ieatlnt i here ya |
| 03:14.39 | mmaestri | threede2: use a toolchain to compile code to the fr from a x86 buildhost, e.g. |
| 03:14.44 | linuxxr | 080808 qtopia coming up |
| 03:14.44 | threede2 | hear even |
| 03:14.57 | dbmoodb | Staticwave_Ace: still better than nothing |
| 03:14.58 | gargoyle_grin | Not really. This would be a very good way to get familiar with it. |
| 03:15.14 | ieatlint | makes an evil laugh |
| 03:15.18 | ieatlint | enjoy it, gargoyle_grin :) |
| 03:15.47 | gargoyle_grin | Heh. I know quite a few people who have been using Gentoo for one thing or another for a lot longer than I have. |
| 03:15.52 | ieatlint | you'll soon find that many packages are poorly setup with automake (not due to gentoo, mind you) |
| 03:16.06 | gargoyle_grin | Ah. I see. |
| 03:16.13 | ieatlint | errors that'll make you want to bang your head on your desk |
| 03:16.13 | gargoyle_grin | Hrumph... |
| 03:16.25 | ieatlint | eg .. "can't run test program when cross compiling, exiting" |
| 03:16.30 | gargoyle_grin | Oh. Like 2008.08, you mean? ;) |
| 03:16.39 | dbmoodb | "can't cross compile hits head exit" |
| 03:16.46 | dbmoodb | "bitbake== fail exit" |
| 03:16.49 | threede2 | what is 2008.08 |
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| 03:16.59 | ieatlint | hey, i warned you about 2008.8 |
| 03:17.06 | ieatlint | told you it wasn't some messiah |
| 03:17.26 | gargoyle_grin | Yup indeed. :P |
| 03:17.42 | gargoyle_grin | Eh. If nothing else, I can switch back to 2007.2 |
| 03:17.52 | dbmoodb | you can ? |
| 03:18.00 | gargoyle_grin | What's your distro of choice, ieatlint? |
| 03:18.01 | linuxxr | has a help system |
| 03:18.06 | gargoyle_grin | Um... I don't see why not... |
| 03:18.19 | linuxxr | i just got a message an it beeped |
| 03:18.20 | dbmoodb | teh opkg might beh teh brekons |
| 03:18.21 | ieatlint | running fso |
| 03:18.24 | Infoport | hiya all! does anybody know where the SSH keys are stored in OM2007 and in the ASU2008.8? I need to copy the key over for ease of ssh-ing (rather than forever disable checking if it changed) |
| 03:19.08 | linuxxr | 3 games |
| 03:19.09 | dbmoodb | /etc/dropbear/ ? |
| 03:19.52 | linuxxr | very cool |
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| 03:20.18 | Infoport | dbmoodb: thanks! it looks like that's right, at least for OM2007. I'm off to copy it around! |
| 03:20.39 | linuxxr | u guys are going to have to get busy if u gonna keey up with qtopia |
| 03:20.59 | linuxxr | the phone works to |
| 03:21.14 | AntonTakk | asu works as a phone |
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| 03:21.23 | AntonTakk | has for quite a while |
| 03:21.25 | linuxxr | speeddial |
| 03:21.35 | AntonTakk | so does fso and 2007.2 |
| 03:21.38 | threede2 | why is there so much talk of qtopia |
| 03:22.00 | Staticwave_Ace | 2008.2 uses qtopia? |
| 03:22.05 | linuxxr | sorry |
| 03:22.29 | AntonTakk | 2008.2 uses qtopia apps with qt ported to x11 (rather poorly) |
| 03:22.46 | threede2 | ok |
| 03:23.27 | lpotter | its not that qtopia was ported to x poorly, its that OM uses a different wm and launcher |
| 03:23.43 | lpotter | qtopia was not designed to be seperated from its self |
| 03:23.57 | threede2 | ??? |
| 03:24.10 | AntonTakk | i read a post by raster that qt does a lot of things that are huge performance no-no's in x but are fine on a generic frame buffer |
| 03:24.22 | AntonTakk | i figure he knows something about getting x to perform :) |
| 03:24.22 | lpotter | yes, well. he is actually wrong on that |
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| 03:26.36 | AntonTakk | also, i didn't say qtopia was ported to x, qt was ported to x |
| 03:26.49 | lpotter | qt already runs in x |
| 03:26.58 | lpotter | it was qtopia that was "ported" |
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| 03:27.21 | AntonTakk | hrm, either way, performance is not what it could be |
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| 03:27.58 | AntonTakk | important thing to keep in mind is: it's all slower than etk ;) |
| 03:28.48 | lpotter | well, qtopia dopes heaps more than etk |
| 03:29.24 | AntonTakk | it better, it's a whole mobile phone suite and etk is a graphical tool kit |
| 03:29.31 | threede2 | what is the difference between qt and qtopia |
| 03:29.37 | hipitihop_ | I have qtopia flashed on my FR and would like to setup 2008.8 on SD card so can optionally boot from SD can someone point me to how to prepare fresh SD for this ? |
| 03:29.45 | lpotter | qt is the toolkit |
| 03:29.53 | threede2 | oh |
| 03:29.56 | threede2 | k |
| 03:30.23 | matholio | where can I find mdbus ? |
| 03:30.30 | threede2 | qtopia must be the 9 yards library |
| 03:30.31 | Biovore | qtopia works on X |
| 03:31.24 | lpotter | 9 yards library? |
| 03:31.26 | threede2 | X on a mobile phone? wow |
| 03:31.33 | Biovore | yeah.. :-/ |
| 03:31.45 | linuxxr | look static wave is speecless |
| 03:31.51 | nullpuppy | hipitihop_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
| 03:32.07 | AntonTakk | threede2: not as bad as it sounds, if you do it right, also, using x allows apps for most any tk to be used |
| 03:32.33 | lpotter | except loosing common look and feel |
| 03:32.44 | threede2 | tk? |
| 03:32.50 | nullpuppy | toolkit |
| 03:32.51 | AntonTakk | you have that problem any time you have more than one tk |
| 03:32.55 | threede2 | k |
| 03:33.02 | hipitihop_ | nullpuppy, gthanks, strange the wiki search did not find it. BTW, is this considered dual boot ? |
| 03:33.10 | AntonTakk | unless to spend boat loads of time themeing |
| 03:33.26 | lpotter | AntonTakk: not necessarily. Nokia is doing well with multitookits on maemo |
| 03:33.31 | nullpuppy | hipitihop_: yeah, basically |
| 03:33.43 | nullpuppy | hipitihop_: and no prob, the wiki search is pretty pathetic ;) |
| 03:33.56 | AntonTakk | lpotter: and I bet they have spent good ammounts of time on themes |
| 03:34.13 | lpotter | no, they just use qt-gtk |
| 03:34.18 | lpotter | or whatever its called |
| 03:34.25 | AntonTakk | yeah, you can do that |
| 03:34.43 | threede2 | i dont know the difference between x and a graphics driver |
| 03:34.44 | AntonTakk | which takes themeing out of the question |
| 03:34.55 | AntonTakk | threede2: x uses gfx drivers |
| 03:34.57 | lpotter | maemo is themed |
| 03:35.06 | matholio | anyone know where I can get nano and mdbus ? |
| 03:35.07 | hipitihop_ | nullpuppy, is running from SD an additional performance problem or just slower when booting ? |
| 03:35.17 | AntonTakk | lpotter: i never implied it wasn't |
| 03:35.18 | threede2 | gfx? |
| 03:35.50 | AntonTakk | gfx - graphics |
| 03:36.00 | threede2 | k |
| 03:36.02 | AntonTakk | 'net slang :) |
| 03:36.21 | threede2 | :) |
| 03:36.26 | nullpuppy | hipitihop_: i hear its a little slower, but it's not too bad |
| 03:36.45 | hipitihop_ | nullpuppy, k, thanks |
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| 03:36.58 | AntonTakk | further more, qtopia didn't do anything for me that 2007.2, or asu won't |
| 03:37.11 | hipitihop_ | goes off the prep his SD card to boot 2008.8 |
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| 03:39.10 | threede2 | hiphop good luckity |
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| 03:40.35 | hipitihop_ | threede2, is that because I'm going to need it ? |
| 03:40.37 | kd8ikt | i think i fixed my sd card |
| 03:41.17 | threede2 | no luck required, just do it |
| 03:41.21 | kd8ikt | using fdisk to cut up what it thinks is the full disk screws it up but when i clip a few sectors from front/back of disk (leave empty) its been working now |
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| 03:46.06 | threede2 | partitioning is a nightmare ... who invented that |
| 03:46.51 | threede2 | god help us |
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| 03:47.13 | dbmoodb | threede2: ? |
| 03:48.01 | threede2 | dbmoodb - a sentence would be nice |
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| 03:48.29 | dbmoodb | threede2: .... well you should be able to do it |
| 03:50.06 | niklauz | is anyone running SHR? just wondering |
| 03:50.33 | dbmoodb | is it out ? |
| 03:50.57 | AntonTakk | didn't think shr had a release yet |
| 03:51.19 | niklauz | o idk, from the little bit i read i thought so, i prolly misunderstood |
| 03:51.29 | niklauz | is that basically the way forward though? |
| 03:52.37 | threede2 | what is stable hybrid release |
| 03:53.06 | AntonTakk | community effort to port 2007.2 apps to fso guts |
| 03:54.06 | dbmoodb | AntonTakk: voip ? |
| 03:55.28 | threede2 | FSO? |
| 03:55.37 | AntonTakk | dunno, haven't really followed it much |
| 03:55.45 | AntonTakk | fso = free smartphone.org |
| 03:55.46 | dbmoodb | i'm still trying to get a fscking voip client |
| 03:55.55 | dbmoodb | nothing builds |
| 03:56.07 | threede2 | Anton: thanks |
| 03:56.18 | AntonTakk | is also the future om platform as i understand it |
| 03:56.45 | threede2 | i have not visited freesmartphone.org |
| 03:56.52 | threede2 | what am i missing |
| 03:56.56 | AntonTakk | it's a wiki |
| 03:57.22 | AntonTakk | the fso image, however is impressive (at least the stuff that is implemented and working properly) |
| 03:57.27 | threede2 | <--- used to work for Symbian |
| 03:58.25 | dbmoodb | i'm going to troll with my NO FSCKING voip client rant now. done |
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| 03:58.36 | rooly|away | snickers: make one |
| 03:58.43 | CVirus | LOL @ dbmoodb |
| 03:59.06 | dbmoodb | they didn't compile -- the ones from the 2007.2 thingy using mokomakefile |
| 03:59.13 | dbmoodb | linphone nope... minisip nope |
| 03:59.25 | dbmoodb | make one ? how about get one to compile damn it |
| 04:00.28 | AntonTakk | was using fso as my daily phone, some annoyances, but nothing unexpected |
| 04:00.41 | threede2 | visits freesmartphone.org |
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| 04:01.02 | CVirus | dbmoodb: try this http://sourceforge.net/projects/miax |
| 04:01.59 | threede2 | related to freedesktop.org |
| 04:02.03 | threede2 | hmmm |
| 04:02.27 | dbmoodb | CVirus: ah.... maybe does it work ? |
| 04:02.41 | CVirus | no clue |
| 04:03.10 | AntonTakk | threede2: interesting stuff is at trac.freesmartphone.org |
| 04:03.11 | dbmoodb | ? grea |
| 04:03.12 | dbmoodb | t |
| 04:03.42 | dbmoodb | CVirus: i still think its pathetic |
| 04:03.58 | CVirus | stop whinning |
| 04:04.01 | CVirus | and go write your own |
| 04:04.11 | dbmoodb | CVirus: i'm trying to port some good working ones |
| 04:04.20 | CVirus | fine .. I'll use those then :-p |
| 04:04.29 | dbmoodb | ah ? |
| 04:04.29 | CVirus | dbmoodb: what are you porting ? |
| 04:04.39 | russellb | hops you're not using SIP though :-p |
| 04:04.44 | russellb | s/hops/hopes/ |
| 04:04.46 | russellb | hops, too |
| 04:04.49 | dbmoodb | ..........................................................i want sip |
| 04:04.58 | CVirus | real men use IAX :-p |
| 04:05.00 | threede2 | hehe |
| 04:05.01 | dbmoodb | there already is an asterisk port that works |
| 04:05.03 | threede2 | hops |
| 04:05.16 | CVirus | dbmoodb: asterisk works on OM ? |
| 04:05.18 | dbmoodb | but sip with stun support would be a lotter better for what i need |
| 04:05.20 | dbmoodb | yah dude |
| 04:05.27 | dbmoodb | there is no iax client tho |
| 04:05.30 | russellb | yet! |
| 04:05.37 | AntonTakk | no, real men use a magnet and a coil to generate the pulses needed to represent the packets ;) |
| 04:05.38 | CVirus | I think miax would work easily ! |
| 04:05.39 | russellb | i'm working on that with a couple other folks, though |
| 04:05.58 | dbmoodb | russellb: good :) |
| 04:05.59 | russellb | (iax client that is) |
| 04:06.10 | dbmoodb | russellb: asterisk has stun support yah ? |
| 04:06.15 | russellb | it does, yes |
| 04:06.23 | russellb | asterisk 1.6 does, anyway ... |
| 04:06.36 | dbmoodb | dududdudu crash |
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| 04:06.46 | threede2 | weird |
| 04:07.22 | russellb | using asterisk as the voice engine for a mobile voip client feels like overkill, though |
| 04:07.32 | russellb | possible, but overkill. |
| 04:07.53 | dbmoodb | russellb: hence sip client ? (asterisk is good if you need all that it provides) |
| 04:08.14 | russellb | no, hence an iax client :) |
| 04:08.31 | threede2 | iax? |
| 04:08.31 | russellb | a SIP client is fine, too ... but SIP in unpredictable networks is a PITA |
| 04:08.48 | russellb | threede2: Inter-Asterisk-eXchange ... another VoIP protocol |
| 04:08.51 | dbmoodb | well not many voip providers i know of provide iax |
| 04:08.57 | threede2 | oh |
| 04:08.58 | russellb | nods |
| 04:09.03 | russellb | there are a good number that do, though |
| 04:09.08 | dbmoodb | that's te issue |
| 04:09.11 | dbmoodb | the* |
| 04:09.12 | threede2 | thanks russ |
| 04:09.24 | russellb | I think a SIP client would be good to have, too |
| 04:09.29 | russellb | I'd like to have both SIP and IAX available |
| 04:09.42 | dbmoodb | russellb: i agree |
| 04:09.58 | russellb | I just like to troll on SIP ... |
| 04:10.14 | russellb | but yeah, stun support would be an absolute must for a mobile SIP client |
| 04:10.15 | dbmoodb | ah> |
| 04:10.35 | dbmoodb | yah |
| 04:10.52 | dbmoodb | russellb: pjsip almost works actually |
| 04:11.02 | russellb | haven't used it. |
| 04:11.03 | russellb | but cool |
| 04:11.19 | dbmoodb | i just have to recompile / edit something which i didn't follow where it was... |
| 04:11.55 | nullpuppy | arg. why can i not connect to 2008.8 via usb |
| 04:11.57 | russellb | does it come with a simple command line test app? |
| 04:11.57 | doc|home | so, is 2008.08 still to be avoided? |
| 04:11.58 | nullpuppy | sighs |
| 04:12.05 | russellb | dbmoodb: ^^ |
| 04:12.38 | dbmoodb | russellb: ah ... well yes |
| 04:13.02 | dbmoodb | you have to edit it so it works with pulseaudio or something or other .. doesn't see the sound device for unknown reasons |
| 04:13.18 | dbmoodb | http://www.pjsip.org/download.htm |
| 04:13.27 | russellb | well ... if it doesn't support pulse at all, adding pulse support is not trivial |
| 04:13.34 | russellb | unless it's just something you have to enable in the build .. |
| 04:13.53 | russellb | if it built with alsa support, you should try killing pulseaudio while you test |
| 04:13.56 | dbmoodb | russellb: ah i think its simple i missed it tho |
| 04:14.03 | dbmoodb | i did kill pulse audio |
| 04:14.07 | russellb | hrm |
| 04:14.13 | dbmoodb | google i guess ? |
| 04:14.23 | dbmoodb | like it works perfectly bar the sound rofl |
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| 04:15.34 | russellb | heh, who needs audio for a phone call anyway |
| 04:16.00 | lpotter | ya, just use sms |
| 04:16.07 | threede2 | the phone app is sooooo yesterday |
| 04:16.51 | dbmoodb | russellb: well i tried using a audio file to autoanswer and it didn't work |
| 04:17.02 | russellb | dbmoodb: a grep of the entire source tree for "pulseaudio" showed nothing ... are you sure it supports it? |
| 04:17.32 | russellb | You might want to also consider sofiasip as the library to use ... |
| 04:17.36 | dbmoodb | russellb: i have no idea |
| 04:17.47 | dbmoodb | but we could just turn off pulse no ? |
| 04:17.57 | russellb | well, yeah, you should be able to |
| 04:19.46 | holycow | fekin hell is the mailing list busy |
| 04:19.49 | russellb | so what is your plan with that, thinking about writing an interface for it once you have the test app working? |
| 04:19.52 | holycow | this is one exciting project :) |
| 04:20.19 | threede2 | holy: what is? |
| 04:20.32 | holycow | moko of course! |
| 04:20.34 | russellb | what project? |
| 04:20.35 | russellb | heh |
| 04:21.24 | threede2 | oh yeah - that one |
| 04:21.30 | holycow | hehe ;) |
| 04:22.12 | dbmoodb | interface for something that work on the command line ? what's that ? |
| 04:22.48 | russellb | heh, well ... ok :) |
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| 04:24.42 | russellb | like, after getting an iax client working from the command line, I was going to start working on a dialer app for it, and long term, hopefully have it integrated into a single dialer |
| 04:24.55 | russellb | so that the same dialer could be for GSM, IAX, or SIP, (or whatever) |
| 04:26.32 | gargoyle_grin | I like your thinking. I hope it goes smoothly. |
| 04:27.00 | russellb | it works well in my head :-p |
| 04:27.41 | russellb | spending most of tomorrow on it with a friend from work, so should have some good progress ... |
| 04:27.55 | dbmoodb | russellb: russellb sip ? rofl |
| 04:28.07 | russellb | sets the floor on fire |
| 04:28.38 | gargoyle_grin | I don't recall what SIP stands for, but it's a VOIP protocol. |
| 04:28.46 | gargoyle_grin | Ekiga uses SIP. |
| 04:28.51 | russellb | Session Initiation Protocol |
| 04:29.04 | gargoyle_grin | Cool. Thanks. |
| 04:29.28 | russellb | it's not actually limited to VoIP, but that is certainly its most common application |
| 04:29.52 | gargoyle_grin | Yeah. True. |
| 04:30.13 | russellb | it's also complicated as all hell ... and just as vague at the same time |
| 04:30.56 | russellb | yay for designing a protocol without the reality of the Internet in mind |
| 04:31.24 | gargoyle_grin | *cough*ipoac*cough* ;) |
| 04:31.44 | russellb | heh |
| 04:32.15 | threede2 | session schmeshion |
| 04:32.32 | russellb | stateless phone calls, that's where it's at |
| 04:33.10 | dbmoodb | russellb: yah stateless |
| 04:33.44 | threede2 | what is a stateless call |
| 04:34.00 | threede2 | and what is a stateful call |
| 04:34.08 | russellb | i'm making stuff up. |
| 04:34.15 | threede2 | oooooooo |
| 04:35.26 | threede2 | stateless internet, thats where its at |
| 04:36.34 | russellb | SIP is so easy, just look at this diagram -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:SIP_signaling.png |
| 04:37.00 | threede2 | when will we have telephone/whatever names instead of fscking numbers, thats what i wanna know |
| 04:37.19 | russellb | threede2: well, that's a loaded question ... |
| 04:37.29 | russellb | a huge reason is look at 99.9999% of phones out there |
| 04:37.35 | russellb | what kind of dialing interface do they have? |
| 04:37.51 | russellb | certainly not something friendly to text dialing ... |
| 04:38.16 | russellb | then there is just the whole what people have been used to for a realllllllllly long time ... |
| 04:38.27 | russellb | a nice alternative is freenum.org |
| 04:38.41 | russellb | it's a nice alternate numeric dialing system |
| 04:38.48 | threede2 | barf |
| 04:39.20 | russellb | anyway, I still think it's coming |
| 04:39.25 | russellb | just _way_ slower than what some people though |
| 04:39.27 | russellb | thought* |
| 04:39.51 | threede2 | goood |
| 04:39.58 | threede2 | then i might call someone |
| 04:40.01 | russellb | heh |
| 04:40.20 | russellb | I like working on phone technology, but usually hate it when my phone rings |
| 04:40.30 | threede2 | theres a project |
| 04:41.00 | threede2 | and worth a few bucks |
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| 04:42.07 | threede2 | i think personal privacy may have prevented such a system |
| 04:42.23 | nomeata | Dear AT-command knowers: I am connected to my modem and I can make phone calls, but when I try to call myself, i get a busy sign. Do i have to do anything to tell the modem that it can accept calls? |
| 04:42.44 | threede2 | it would be cool to dail "MADONNA" for a chat |
| 04:43.23 | threede2 | (maybe not) |
| 04:44.06 | russellb | of course you can always set up your own telephony server to map whatever numbers numeric and text to whatever you want :) |
| 04:44.26 | russellb | i have a co-worked that set up his home phone system so he can dial "pizza" and "chinese", heh |
| 04:44.52 | threede2 | good co-worker |
| 04:44.56 | threede2 | smart |
| 04:48.07 | threede2 | SIMS - are they really needed? |
| 04:48.33 | russellb | blinks |
| 04:48.39 | russellb | do you need a SIM card? |
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| 04:49.03 | threede2 | no |
| 04:49.28 | threede2 | but they are kinda needed |
| 04:49.44 | threede2 | i think its a biling thing |
| 04:52.59 | threede2 | if a phonee were know at the time of a call, the SIM would be irrelevent |
| 04:53.33 | threede2 | the SIM could be anywhere |
| 04:53.58 | threede2 | software in fact |
| 04:55.04 | Guilt | can someone send me the om-conf, setup-env and environment-setup scripts? |
| 04:55.48 | threede2 | what do they do? |
| 04:55.56 | Guilt | only them. i don't want to download the whole toolchain file |
| 04:56.02 | Guilt | they set appropriate variables |
| 04:56.11 | threede2 | ok |
| 04:56.38 | threede2 | for what? |
| 04:56.45 | Guilt | for toolchain |
| 04:56.55 | Guilt | compiling stuff |
| 04:56.57 | threede2 | Guilt: OK |
| 04:57.26 | threede2 | are you making an app? |
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| 04:58.36 | Guilt | want to compile one. yeah |
| 04:59.01 | Guilt | ive set up openembedded |
| 04:59.11 | Guilt | just need to get one app up |
| 04:59.39 | threede2 | what is openembedded |
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| 05:01.18 | Guilt | threede2: wiki/Toolchain |
| 05:02.05 | threede2 | ok - i am not familier with this |
| 05:03.29 | threede2 | Is this related to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 05:06.36 | niklauz | any tours (visual or otherwise) of the recent 2008.8 release? |
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| 05:08.08 | Guilt | threede2: yea |
| 05:08.17 | Guilt | niklauz: not worth it |
| 05:08.34 | threede2 | Is http://www.openembedded.org/ dead |
| 05:08.44 | threede2 | cant see it |
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| 05:10.25 | niklauz | is reading this (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8) now |
| 05:11.52 | threede2 | me too |
| 05:11.53 | niklauz | the screens are very sick indeed |
| 05:11.55 | linuxxr | ~openembedded |
| 05:11.56 | apt | somebody said openembedded was a flexible build tool based on Gentoo's package manager (portage), and a large upstream package repository and build classes. It facilitates building embedded Linux distributions and packages for any arbitrary target platform. http://www.openembedded.org |
| 05:12.19 | Guilt | threede2: the easiest way to set it up is by makemokofile |
| 05:12.23 | linuxxr | ~openembedded |
| 05:12.24 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, openembedded is a flexible build tool based on Gentoo's package manager (portage), and a large upstream package repository and build classes. It facilitates building embedded Linux distributions and packages for any arbitrary target platform. http://www.openembedded.org |
| 05:12.29 | niklauz | s/very sick/very slick |
| 05:12.46 | linuxxr | ~chox |
| 05:12.46 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, chox is best put on ignore, otherwise he'll just annoy you. |
| 05:12.57 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 05:12.59 | linuxxr | ~chox |
| 05:12.59 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, chox is best put on ignore, otherwise he'll just annoy you. |
| 05:13.20 | Guilt | threede2: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1096544 |
| 05:13.30 | Guilt | download that script, chmod +x it, run it |
| 05:14.12 | niklauz | is a real security model planned at this point, is it on the roadmap? |
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| 05:17.57 | threede2 | Guilt: are you assuming I have a Moko phone? I dont by the way, sadly |
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| 05:18.53 | Guilt | threede2: if u want to develop apps for any arm phone |
| 05:19.03 | Guilt | and u can do it on ur PC if u want to :-) |
| 05:19.09 | Guilt | that's it |
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| 05:19.51 | raster | in fact |
| 05:19.54 | raster | just develop for x86 |
| 05:20.01 | raster | until u have an actual target piece of hw |
| 05:20.12 | raster | just make sure the app fits well within 480x640 |
| 05:20.24 | rooly|away | and try not to use asm |
| 05:20.25 | raster | handles its window being resized down to make way for a virtual keyboard etc. |
| 05:20.44 | raster | if you want to request a keyboard on screen there's a protocl - not really documented but code is open to know how it works |
| 05:20.52 | threede2 | i need to get ne of these phones |
| 05:20.53 | raster | and just remember the screen is tiny |
| 05:20.56 | raster | and fingers are big |
| 05:21.01 | raster | its not fast either |
| 05:21.03 | threede2 | *one* |
| 05:21.13 | raster | and as far as mouse goes you have left mouse butotn only |
| 05:21.22 | raster | and the mouse only moves when the button is pressed |
| 05:21.33 | raster | other than that - making apps is the same as anywhere |
| 05:21.35 | raster | :) |
| 05:21.45 | rooly|away | compiles on his phone |
| 05:21.50 | rooly|away | screw cross-compiling |
| 05:22.28 | threede2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.37 | rooly|away | yeah, isn't it!? |
| 05:22.43 | raster | cross-compiling is much faster |
| 05:22.49 | rooly|away | your mom is faster |
| 05:22.56 | raster | my mom is also faster |
| 05:23.05 | raster | but not as fast as you |
| 05:23.15 | raster | or so she tells me. |
| 05:23.18 | Guilt | threede2: if u want to do asm, make sure u have a portable C equivalent. |
| 05:23.20 | raster | you finihs up way too fast |
| 05:23.21 | threede2 | speed aint the issue if you write it then compile it |
| 05:23.21 | raster | :) |
| 05:23.25 | Guilt | or armv4t asm ;) |
| 05:23.26 | raster | hehehe |
| 05:24.02 | raster | if u do c |
| 05:24.03 | Guilt | compiling sucks. perl rules |
| 05:24.03 | raster | or c++ |
| 05:24.08 | Guilt | or bash |
| 05:24.09 | raster | do NOT do unaligned memory accesses |
| 05:24.20 | Guilt | python is okay too. |
| 05:24.20 | raster | interpreted languages suck |
| 05:24.22 | raster | slooooow |
| 05:24.25 | raster | SCHLOOOW |
| 05:24.27 | Guilt | raster: efficient |
| 05:24.31 | rooly|away | your mom is slow |
| 05:24.32 | threede2 | lets not go there |
| 05:24.34 | Guilt | and not really slow. |
| 05:24.35 | Guilt | ;) |
| 05:24.47 | raster | giggles |
| 05:24.50 | raster | very slow |
| 05:24.54 | Guilt | it's not like everyone is making realtime apps with their mokos |
| 05:24.55 | raster | VERY |
| 05:25.03 | Guilt | u know, the kinds that control nuclear reactors |
| 05:25.03 | rooly|away | ... |
| 05:25.05 | Guilt | ;p |
| 05:25.06 | rooly|away | kinda did |
| 05:25.17 | raster | most people who quote "realtime" dont even know what it means :) |
| 05:25.35 | Guilt | raster: although the phone is quite realtime |
| 05:25.35 | raster | it is nothing to do with fast or slow |
| 05:25.42 | Guilt | like getting a call up and running, |
| 05:25.50 | raster | it has to do with guaranteed completion times |
| 05:26.01 | raster | ie call syscall X - it WILL complete and retunr within X ms |
| 05:26.03 | raster | always |
| 05:26.04 | raster | guiaranteed |
| 05:26.08 | Guilt | raster: why fast when it can just run with a decent speed? |
| 05:26.13 | threede2 | what is the next killer app? |
| 05:26.41 | Guilt | if everybody wanted speed, they'd do things like unroll/pipeline their code, profile it, asm-ize it. |
| 05:26.43 | raster | Guilt: and lets have the other 20 processes runing do the same |
| 05:26.53 | Guilt | that's not the kind people want to do with this phone |
| 05:26.55 | raster | so in the end we use up 50%+ of our cpu "interpreting" |
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| 05:26.58 | raster | instead of doing |
| 05:27.01 | Guilt | raster: why 20procs? |
| 05:27.07 | Guilt | ;p i'm able to do ONE thing well. |
| 05:27.08 | raster | have u run ps lately? |
| 05:27.21 | raster | :) |
| 05:27.33 | Guilt | grr. we're talking of apps, not processes like kswapd |
| 05:27.36 | Guilt | or what not ;) |
| 05:27.51 | raster | kswapd is not a process |
| 05:27.52 | UhClem | rater's right, on a mobile device one cannot afford to piss away CPU cycles. |
| 05:27.55 | raster | its a kernel thread |
| 05:27.56 | raster | :) |
| 05:28.06 | Guilt | raster: a kernel thread is a process? |
| 05:28.07 | raster | unlike your5 desktop or laptop |
| 05:28.10 | Guilt | and a process is code? |
| 05:28.12 | raster | u dont have ghz of cycles to burn |
| 05:28.20 | Guilt | lol. |
| 05:28.26 | raster | trust me |
| 05:28.30 | raster | i have 2 fr's |
| 05:28.33 | Guilt | look at the boot times anyway. i've got 400 mhz to burn |
| 05:28.38 | raster | i have a myriad of other embedded evic es |
| 05:28.40 | Guilt | i have one. |
| 05:28.42 | raster | u dont have cycles to burn |
| 05:28.53 | Guilt | we do. 400*1000000 cycles |
| 05:29.06 | threede2 | who has an OM phone? |
| 05:29.14 | raster | you can burn them on yours al lu like |
| 05:29.14 | UhClem | It's not just the slowness, it's the battery life too. |
| 05:29.15 | Guilt | i have |
| 05:29.26 | raster | i sure as hell am going to keep mine focused on doing more useful stuff per cycle |
| 05:29.29 | Guilt | i'm not running a supercomputer. and i know that how i use it works well for me. |
| 05:29.32 | threede2 | bows to Guilt |
| 05:29.44 | threede2 | when did u get it |
| 05:29.45 | cjb | raster: well, qpe spins eating 100% CPU all the time when I run 2008.8. Is that a "real-time" problem? |
| 05:29.53 | cjb | It seems to be like a really-dumb-application problem. |
| 05:29.56 | Guilt | ;) you can run whatever u want however u want. the key is a good compromise between execution speed and development time. |
| 05:30.07 | Guilt | threede2: july |
| 05:30.07 | raster | cjb: dont look at me. i divest myself of anythnig to do with qpe |
| 05:30.25 | UhClem | What does qpe do, anyway? |
| 05:30.29 | raster | Guilt: it's faster and easier for me to develop in c |
| 05:30.35 | threede2 | Guilt: r u a software eng? |
| 05:30.37 | raster | as unlike python or perl. it doesnt get in my way |
| 05:30.40 | Guilt | heh. C++ is way faster than C |
| 05:30.40 | raster | slow me down |
| 05:30.43 | cjb | raster: me too :) |
| 05:30.45 | Guilt | threede2: kinda' sorta |
| 05:30.48 | raster | and limit me from doing what i already know how to |
| 05:30.49 | cjb | hence running FSO instead of 2008.8 |
| 05:31.09 | threede2 | Guilt: I'll take that as a yeah, kinda, sorta |
| 05:31.31 | Guilt | raster: not in terms of execution |
| 05:31.33 | Guilt | code writing |
| 05:31.41 | raster | cu in terms of code writing. |
| 05:31.44 | raster | they get in my way |
| 05:31.52 | Guilt | like, to write a hashmap in C, |
| 05:32.02 | Guilt | it takes a bit of time. C++ has it and it works. |
| 05:32.08 | Guilt | stl is so awesome. |
| 05:32.11 | Guilt | :-) |
| 05:32.17 | raster | why does everyone think that u have to write all yoru datastructs from scratch in c? |
| 05:32.23 | raster | theres perfectly good libs for doing that for u |
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| 05:32.34 | Guilt | raster: but not part of the 'C standard' |
| 05:32.41 | raster | glib for starters |
| 05:32.44 | raster | so? |
| 05:32.50 | raster | thats what is gerat about c |
| 05:32.58 | Guilt | is NOT c standard. STL, on the other hand, is standard C++ |
| 05:33.02 | raster | it doesnt try and suck every god damn thing on the planet into its vortex |
| 05:33.06 | Guilt | the only good things about the c standard are qsort and bsearch |
| 05:33.22 | Guilt | raster: it actually does |
| 05:33.26 | raster | it goes "pick and choose whatever libraries u like - dont like that? write your own or just inline the coede. in the end its all a q of dev time" |
| 05:33.29 | Guilt | stdio is bloated |
| 05:33.32 | Guilt | :-) |
| 05:33.49 | Guilt | it's all waste of dev time, u mean |
| 05:33.52 | threede2 | raster sounds like a coder |
| 05:33.58 | raster | compared to perl/pythons "baseD" set of libs |
| 05:34.00 | raster | i doubt it |
| 05:34.05 | Guilt | raster sounds like a troll ;) |
| 05:34.11 | raster | if u are a newb at programming |
| 05:34.12 | Guilt | (i sound like another troll) |
| 05:34.16 | raster | and pointers and compilers scare you |
| 05:34.19 | raster | go use python |
| 05:34.20 | raster | or perl |
| 05:34.21 | raster | or ruby |
| 05:34.23 | raster | or whatever |
| 05:34.27 | rooly|away | lua? |
| 05:34.30 | raster | if u know what u are doing |
| 05:34.32 | Guilt | i use asm and pointeres a bit, |
| 05:34.36 | raster | u are free to use what works for u |
| 05:34.42 | raster | and for me C gets the hell out of my way |
| 05:34.44 | Guilt | but thanks, i know the exact tools to do the job for me |
| 05:34.45 | raster | and lets me do work |
| 05:34.58 | raster | if i want to walk my memory with pointers - i will. |
| 05:35.00 | threede2 | raster likes work |
| 05:35.02 | rooly|away | hasn't included iostream in months |
| 05:35.08 | Guilt | heh :-D |
| 05:35.29 | rooly|away | hasn't used the std namespace in longer |
| 05:35.36 | raster | i have never found myself to develop apps faster in perl or python - the little python i have tyouched, than i do in c |
| 05:35.41 | raster | in fact i tend to develop them faster in c |
| 05:35.46 | Guilt | i havent touched iostream in 9 years |
| 05:35.53 | rooly|away | i developed your mom faster in c |
| 05:35.58 | rooly|away | okay, that one didn't quite work |
| 05:36.10 | Guilt | :-) gone are the days we had a iostream.h ;) and STL was probably like CLASSLIB or so :-D |
| 05:36.20 | raster | c gets out of my way and lets me bit-bang or byte-swizzle or use s high an api layer as i like |
| 05:36.23 | raster | or want to build myself |
| 05:36.26 | raster | or link to in another lib |
| 05:36.44 | Guilt | i developed your mom faster in python |
| 05:36.46 | Guilt | ;) |
| 05:36.53 | Guilt | heh. that sounded right |
| 05:37.08 | Guilt | raster: are u afraid of the dark? ;) |
| 05:37.08 | rooly|away | i developed your mom faster with my python |
| 05:37.20 | threede2 | whats with the "mom" REFERENCE |
| 05:37.22 | raster | nup |
| 05:37.22 | Guilt | my python is HUGE |
| 05:37.25 | raster | i quite like the dark |
| 05:37.26 | raster | :) |
| 05:37.26 | Guilt | ;) |
| 05:37.39 | Biovore | python is nice.. but is kinda slow and not very good with dealing with low level stuff.. its nice as a quick and dirty system to slap something together. |
| 05:37.54 | Guilt | Biovore: something like bitbake ;) |
| 05:38.07 | Biovore | I guess you can build a bunch of C stuff and include them as python modules.. |
| 05:38.28 | Biovore | yeah.. bitbake has its +'s and its -'s |
| 05:38.29 | Guilt | if u'd really want performance, u'd only rewrite some stuff in C, I guess |
| 05:38.39 | raster | Biovore: if u've ever touched cython.. u will realise the utter hell that creates... |
| 05:38.40 | Guilt | that gives u an advantage over just plain C. |
| 05:38.41 | raster | :( |
| 05:38.56 | Biovore | well running stuff on the moko and you want it to respond, it basicly has to be C |
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| 05:39.09 | Biovore | the UI now is god awfully slow.. |
| 05:39.23 | raster | thats partly to do with the soc and ram |
| 05:39.30 | raster | and partly the gfx chip (glamo) |
| 05:39.42 | Biovore | 128 MB ram and 400 MHz Arm.. should be faster.. |
| 05:39.43 | raster | and partly to do with the way its drawing and trying to make room for flexibility |
| 05:40.12 | raster | basically any cpu time used talking to video ram locks up the cpu until video ram responds |
| 05:40.14 | Biovore | yeah.. the flexibility bit is nice.. but it means we end up doing things the long way around.. |
| 05:40.19 | raster | so if up have to upload 7mb of data |
| 05:40.24 | raster | that will take 1 second to do |
| 05:40.28 | raster | and 1 second of cpu time is lost |
| 05:40.36 | raster | just to copying that data to video ram |
| 05:40.37 | Biovore | true |
| 05:40.57 | Biovore | anyone know what the reason was to use that glamo thing anyway? |
| 05:41.05 | raster | the fun bit is both sd card IO .. .ANd graphics talk to/from glamo (gfx chip) video ram |
| 05:41.06 | Biovore | the soc has a LCD driver built in.. |
| 05:41.15 | raster | so they b oth compete for io "bandwidth" |
| 05:41.21 | Biovore | yup |
| 05:41.26 | raster | and any io happeneing will lock up the cpu in waitstates |
| 05:41.26 | threede2 | what %age of tiny apps need to be written in a non-interpretted language |
| 05:41.36 | threede2 | 2 |
| 05:41.39 | raster | if we did more on the glamo - it's help |
| 05:41.40 | threede2 | ? |
| 05:41.43 | raster | but the glamo is very limited |
| 05:41.48 | raster | sure it has a risc cpu of its own |
| 05:41.55 | raster | its i think a 50mhz openrisc core |
| 05:41.58 | raster | its quite slow |
| 05:42.11 | raster | a lot slower than the arm - and that is PER CYCLE |
| 05:42.16 | raster | i think its only a 16bit cpu |
| 05:42.16 | Biovore | well, the internals on glamo are under NDA antway.. |
| 05:42.20 | raster | and its not programmable |
| 05:42.25 | raster | no docs on how to do that from smedia |
| 05:42.31 | raster | the glamo can blit and fill and do ops |
| 05:42.37 | raster | those are already accelerated in xglamo |
| 05:42.39 | raster | it can do some more |
| 05:42.44 | raster | like some scaling and alpha blending |
| 05:42.55 | raster | yuv->rgb and scaling is accelerated and supported in xglamo with xvideo |
| 05:43.03 | Biovore | so we get some rendering advatages with it over in built in framebuffer LCD device then.. |
| 05:43.13 | raster | bgut anything more than blit/fill/xvideo is probably well into the land of "diminishing returns" |
| 05:43.18 | raster | when it comes to glamo driver work |
| 05:43.23 | raster | the glamo is an EOL'd chip |
| 05:43.29 | raster | it wont be in GTA03 |
| 05:43.37 | Biovore | EOL -- End of Life? |
| 05:43.48 | raster | so effort into doing everyhting in xglamo that the glam can do will not be seen beyond the freerunner |
| 05:43.50 | raster | yup |
| 05:43.52 | raster | end of life |
| 05:43.58 | raster | there is no glamo successor chip in the works |
| 05:44.06 | rooly|away | erm, is there anything to take over it's position? |
| 05:44.14 | rooly|away | you know, like a real 2d/3d accellerator |
| 05:44.16 | Biovore | yes.. possibly.. |
| 05:44.21 | threede2 | raster what is your point |
| 05:44.27 | raster | so just in terms of manpower spent - it's not the wisest thing to sink masses of manpower into writing drivers for it |
| 05:44.28 | raster | it has drivers |
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| 05:44.30 | Biovore | there is a opencores thing that does some basic opengl |
| 05:44.35 | raster | they do the most common operations |
| 05:44.51 | raster | (fill, blit, xvideo) |
| 05:44.58 | raster | frankly look at MOSt x drivers |
| 05:45.03 | raster | MOSt JUSt accelerate these |
| 05:45.09 | raster | on MOSt desktop chips |
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| 05:45.25 | rooly|away | why do you keep forgetting to caps-lock the T |
| 05:45.28 | raster | xglamo is fairly good in the scheme of accelerated xservers |
| 05:45.48 | raster | rooly|away: i tend to hit/release keys a little soon - race conditions with my fingers :) |
| 05:46.08 | raster | threede2: my point is - you're not goign to get gfx better on the freerunner than it is |
| 05:46.10 | rooly|away | does a "that's what she said" work there? |
| 05:46.25 | threede2 | raster: k |
| 05:46.26 | raster | someoen with an nda can sit and write more extensive drivers |
| 05:46.31 | raster | and get very little in the way of gains |
| 05:46.35 | raster | eg - accelerate xrender |
| 05:46.43 | raster | u'll only accelerate a subset of xrender |
| 05:46.45 | raster | not all of it |
| 05:46.56 | raster | and that subset wont be the most common subset |
| 05:46.59 | Biovore | nvidia looks like the have a openGL device ment for handheld devices.. |
| 05:47.01 | raster | so u'll still be forced to fall back to software |
| 05:47.05 | Biovore | openGL ES |
| 05:47.13 | rooly|away | would fork out the money for an nvidia chip |
| 05:47.17 | raster | opengles libs/driver coudl be written |
| 05:47.20 | AntonTakk | Biovore: no open drivers thou |
| 05:47.21 | raster | but that is a lot of work |
| 05:47.28 | raster | and u're limited to qvga pretty much |
| 05:47.40 | Biovore | No one is going to have open drivers for openGL ES for a while.. 10 years + |
| 05:47.40 | raster | the chip has limited texture abilities (256x256 max) |
| 05:47.45 | raster | and other limits |
| 05:47.47 | rooly|away | mother FUCKER |
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| 05:47.53 | raster | and again - drivers for an EOL'd chip |
| 05:47.56 | raster | :( |
| 05:48.00 | rooly|away | sorry |
| 05:48.00 | threede2 | o_O |
| 05:48.03 | AntonTakk | Biovore: so go for full blown opengl ;) |
| 05:48.08 | rooly|away | tv keeps cutting out in the middle of psych |
| 05:48.41 | AntonTakk | i mean, the fr is basically as powerfull as an old 400 mhz desktop |
| 05:48.43 | rooly|away | ARGH!!!! |
| 05:48.54 | AntonTakk | and 400 mhz runs quake 2 just fine ;) |
| 05:48.57 | raster | the big problem with glamo is the slow vidoe mem bus/access |
| 05:48.58 | raster | really |
| 05:48.59 | rooly|away | it is 4x as powerful as my old computer in 2000 |
| 05:49.08 | raster | if that could improve - it'd be much better |
| 05:49.22 | raster | these days most embedded cpu's (soc's) now have graphcis built in |
| 05:49.22 | rooly|away | and that ran warcraft 2 |
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| 05:49.26 | threede2 | rooly types pretty good for an afk |
| 05:49.27 | raster | it's iehter dumb framebuffer |
| 05:49.29 | Guilt | 100mhz runs quake1 just fine |
| 05:49.30 | Guilt | :-D |
| 05:49.32 | rooly|away | i'm not afk |
| 05:49.34 | rooly|away | i'm away |
| 05:49.36 | raster | or a little better (2d blits/fill and some better ops) |
| 05:49.37 | rooly|away | as in away from home |
| 05:49.38 | Guilt | maybe i should try dosbox |
| 05:49.41 | rooly|away | 1200 miles away from home |
| 05:49.41 | raster | or its a full 3d subsystem |
| 05:49.48 | raster | like imagination powervr |
| 05:49.57 | raster | the problem is - anything advanced is closed. |
| 05:50.01 | raster | :( |
| 05:50.10 | threede2 | .... are you lonesome tonight ...... |
| 05:50.17 | rooly|away | have a room mate |
| 05:50.20 | rooly|away | he's asleep |
| 05:50.21 | raster | rooly|away: u cant guage it by mhz |
| 05:50.29 | rooly|away | can i guage it by ram? |
| 05:50.31 | raster | ro haven't u read on the mhz myth? read up |
| 05:50.32 | rooly|away | 24 megs |
| 05:50.34 | raster | there is much more to it |
| 05:50.42 | raster | nup |
| 05:50.46 | rooly|away | how bout bus speed? 40mhz |
| 05:50.49 | raster | how much ram doesnt affect speed |
| 05:50.51 | raster | really |
| 05:50.59 | rooly|away | (it does in windows 95) |
| 05:51.08 | AntonTakk | rooly|away: system performance depends on LOTS of things |
| 05:51.12 | rooly|away | i know |
| 05:51.22 | rooly|away | and this phone is 4x as powerful as my old computer in 2000 |
| 05:51.30 | raster | the 400mhz freerunner is about the speed of a pentium-233 or 300 |
| 05:51.33 | raster | give or take |
| 05:51.49 | Biovore | so the Iphone has a 400 Mhz Samsung Arm proc, and uses the PowerVR MBX 3D graphics co-processor.. |
| 05:51.51 | rooly|away | hell, write speeds are even faster |
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| 05:52.03 | raster | Biovore: actually 600mhz i think |
| 05:52.04 | raster | :) |
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| 05:52.08 | rooly|away | no, the iphone has a 633 underclocked to 420 or so |
| 05:52.17 | raster | ro the flash and sd card read rates are about 2mb/sec |
| 05:52.28 | rooly|away | when did i become ro |
| 05:52.37 | raster | rooly|away: in 2000 i know my p300mmx laptop was doing 10mb/sec off its hdd |
| 05:52.44 | raster | rooly|away: tab completion :) |
| 05:52.53 | rooly|away | right... |
| 05:53.05 | raster | there's 2 ro's to complete too :) |
| 05:53.06 | rooly|away | my old machine had a 1.5gb hdd, seriously fragged to hell |
| 05:53.14 | raster | i just didnt typ the extra o :) |
| 05:53.33 | rooly|away | full of...well...guy stuff |
| 05:53.50 | rooly|away | ...about 200 pictures and a movie |
| 05:54.01 | rooly|away | ... |
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| 05:55.01 | rooly|away | officially hates whoever is using the ip "226.84.48.126" |
| 05:55.14 | AntonTakk | monty python sound effects as notificatrions :) |
| 05:55.18 | dbmoodb | ip? |
| 05:55.23 | rooly|away | i'm considering using tor to dos it |
| 05:55.45 | dbmoodb | yeah we have tor but no voip client -- se troll from earlier |
| 05:55.50 | dbmoodb | you can't use tor to dos dude |
| 05:55.50 | rooly|away | haha |
| 05:56.03 | threede2 | are there market predictions for the OM phone? |
| 05:56.26 | threede2 | like - who whats one |
| 05:56.33 | raster | th no idea |
| 05:56.35 | raster | :) |
| 05:56.38 | raster | threede2: no idea |
| 05:56.44 | dbmoodb | whois ? |
| 05:56.50 | threede2 | just geeks? |
| 05:56.51 | rooly|away | dbmoodb, what about running a dozen or more vm's, torrifying each one, and pinging the shit out of an address |
| 05:57.23 | AntonTakk | rooly|away: that's a lot of work just to act like a moron :) |
| 05:57.44 | rooly|away | nah, just image DSL a few times |
| 05:58.24 | rooly|away | hell, i could probably put it into a single shell command in about an hour's worth of work |
| 05:58.32 | threede2 | but having software you want would be noo |
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| 05:59.08 | threede2 | (which is geekfree thinking) |
| 06:03.09 | AntonTakk | welp, night all |
| 06:03.15 | rooly|away | nn |
| 06:03.17 | dbmoodb | rooly|away: dont' going to work dude |
| 06:03.27 | threede2 | nn anton |
| 06:03.46 | dbmoodb | tor is not designed for this |
| 06:03.56 | rooly|away | i know, i know |
| 06:04.02 | threede2 | tor |
| 06:04.04 | dbmoodb | rooly|away: just ping flood rofl |
| 06:04.05 | threede2 | ? |
| 06:04.11 | dbmoodb | ~tor |
| 06:04.11 | apt | it has been said that tor is a network of virtual tunnels that allows people and groups to improve their privacy and security on the Internet. See tor.eff.org |
| 06:04.39 | kd8ikt | ping -f hostname |
| 06:04.55 | kd8ikt | though chances are you'll just dos yourself |
| 06:05.05 | rooly|away | of course |
| 06:05.09 | rooly|away | so send it thru tor! |
| 06:05.11 | rooly|away | heheh |
| 06:05.49 | kd8ikt | its just easier to call you dumb |
| 06:05.56 | dbmoodb | hping them then |
| 06:06.04 | rooly|away | i know |
| 06:06.08 | rooly|away | sniggers |
| 06:09.22 | threede2 | i wish i could think of something tor-worthy |
| 06:09.44 | kd8ikt | child pr0n? |
| 06:09.45 | rooly|away | bittorrent |
| 06:09.55 | rooly|away | runs all his torrents thru tor |
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| 06:10.17 | kd8ikt | i used to run an exit and sniff the traffic |
| 06:10.18 | rooly|away | i limit my connection speed, of course |
| 06:10.29 | rooly|away | i encrypt anything i can |
| 06:12.08 | threede2 | ok - i get the idea |
| 06:12.41 | threede2 | still - if i even what child porn, i'd just have kids |
| 06:12.47 | threede2 | *ever* |
| 06:13.06 | rooly|away | makes a note to never send his kinds near threede2 |
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| 06:13.50 | niklauz | uhm... |
| 06:14.46 | niklauz | so i wanted to propose and idea and get some feedback |
| 06:15.06 | threede2 | shoot nik |
| 06:15.27 | rooly|away | dont shoot me tho |
| 06:15.48 | niklauz | for a keyboard a potentially new&improved entry system-- predictive handwriting, is this done already? |
| 06:16.29 | kd8ikt | sortof in qtopia |
| 06:16.38 | rooly|away | handwriting? somewhere. predictive? on the 0808 keyboard sorta |
| 06:16.48 | niklauz | so you start with a full OSD keybd but as you move the finger/stylus through various strokes the most likely choices get larger and the less likely get smaller and dimmer |
| 06:17.31 | niklauz | this might be a convenient and natrual way to combine freeform figures and text entry |
| 06:17.36 | threede2 | keyboard/handwriting???? cotradiction |
| 06:17.46 | threede2 | contradiction |
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| 06:17.54 | rooly|away | contraception? |
| 06:17.58 | niklauz | you can imagine the letters or words moving around and swirling and stuff |
| 06:18.00 | goodwill | has anyone been able to scroll in the installer? |
| 06:18.00 | threede2 | kinda |
| 06:18.02 | niklauz | in the background i mean |
| 06:18.05 | goodwill | or almost anywhere |
| 06:18.09 | goodwill | I always end up clicking |
| 06:18.31 | niklauz | threede2: contradiction? |
| 06:18.33 | rooly|away | i have |
| 06:18.48 | threede2 | yep |
| 06:19.04 | rooly|away | goodwill, you could always up your scroll sensitivity |
| 06:19.42 | goodwill | rooly|away: how? |
| 06:20.04 | rooly|away | using the qtopia/2008.08 image? |
| 06:20.19 | rooly|away | (of course you are, you have an installer) |
| 06:20.29 | niklauz | this would be an touchscreen input method that could be an alternate layer on top of an OSD, such that with a click you could select letters and with a sustained motion it would start to do predictive text entry on a letter than word basis, like the Dasher app |
| 06:20.45 | rooly|away | pull down the menu, and vigorously hit that little wrench/key symbol until an app launches |
| 06:21.07 | threede2 | OSD? |
| 06:21.14 | niklauz | on-screen-display |
| 06:21.23 | goodwill | rooly|away: there is no wrench in the pulldown |
| 06:21.29 | niklauz | like an on screen keyboard |
| 06:21.37 | rooly|away | odd |
| 06:21.42 | threede2 | nik: forget it |
| 06:21.48 | rooly|away | you sure, goodwill? |
| 06:21.52 | niklauz | lol, y? |
| 06:22.07 | goodwill | rooly|away: there is a setting icon in the launcher, but no wrench anywhere |
| 06:22.19 | threede2 | nik: its an idea that precedes a need |
| 06:22.24 | goodwill | rooly|away: I have ssh if you know the name of the wrench app |
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| 06:22.48 | niklauz | i'm not saying i can build it, but as an idea it could be instructive i think |
| 06:23.08 | threede2 | it could be shit too |
| 06:23.13 | rooly|away | i don't |
| 06:23.15 | niklauz | it could be said that the entire OM project fits that description as well though |
| 06:23.17 | rooly|away | just shut off my phone |
| 06:23.19 | threede2 | no offence |
| 06:23.33 | goodwill | rooly|away: I've seen the wrench in fso but not in 2008.8 |
| 06:25.05 | niklauz | threede2: i still think it's an interesting, if not good idea, it's a mix between OSK and handwriting, both of which aren't fully suited for the form factor of the OM devices |
| 06:25.18 | threede2 | OSK? |
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| 06:25.26 | niklauz | on screen keyboard |
| 06:26.23 | threede2 | interesting non-good ideas are not my bag |
| 06:26.32 | niklauz | threede2: pls tell me why you think it is not a good idea |
| 06:26.51 | rooly|away | it's a great idea, but it'll never fly |
| 06:26.55 | rooly|away | cause nobody needs it |
| 06:27.04 | rooly|away | necessity is the mother of invention |
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| 06:27.22 | niklauz | b/c you stated a fairly strong position and said it's interesting, but simultaneously non-good :) |
| 06:27.27 | threede2 | because it seems (to me, I might be wrong) it is not yet needed |
| 06:27.28 | rooly|away | innovation is the bastard step-child that takes over the inheritance |
| 06:27.39 | goodwill | anyone know how to get to setting for touch sensitivity in in 2008.8 |
| 06:27.43 | niklauz | rooly|away: i..huh? |
| 06:27.56 | rooly|away | just use /clear |
| 06:28.02 | threede2 | and may never be |
| 06:28.54 | niklauz | it's a thoguht experiment, i was just wondering if i should refine it then put it somewhere in the wiki under whatever 'brainstorming' graveyard they have :) |
| 06:29.26 | threede2 | all ideas are good |
| 06:29.34 | rooly|away | except that one... |
| 06:29.36 | rooly|away | kidding |
| 06:29.43 | threede2 | bitch |
| 06:29.56 | niklauz | types: killall criticism |
| 06:30.04 | rooly|away | dodges like neo |
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| 06:30.25 | rooly|away | malik1972, you've got to criticize niklauz at least once |
| 06:30.31 | rooly|away | just say "it'll never work" |
| 06:30.45 | niklauz | i'll make sure to tag it 'good but bad, crap, yet interesting' when i post it, lol |
| 06:31.10 | malik1972 | it will work |
| 06:31.23 | rooly|away | you're just being difficult tonight |
| 06:31.24 | niklauz | ha, i'm not sure i agree |
| 06:31.26 | threede2 | handwriting is a natural process |
| 06:31.42 | niklauz | threede2: you couldn't be more wrong |
| 06:31.53 | threede2 | oooo go on |
| 06:32.42 | rooly|away | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.42 | rooly|away | \ |
| 06:32.46 | rooly|away | dang |
| 06:33.05 | niklauz | haha yr kidding right? ppl aren't born w/ writing skills, it may be a fundemental skill, but it isnt a natrual ability |
| 06:33.06 | malik1972 | hey asu seems to have made a bigger jump |
| 06:33.28 | threede2 | go on |
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| 06:34.05 | rooly|away | doesn't write. he uses a series of pictographs to represent meaning |
| 06:34.10 | niklauz | it's not even necessarily intuitive or discoverable, extensive training to make something understood, manipulable, and non-challenging doesn't not equal natural |
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| 06:34.36 | threede2 | yeah - you lost me there |
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| 06:35.10 | rooly|away | meh, typing is much less intuitive than writing |
| 06:35.23 | goodwill | hmmm |
| 06:35.43 | goodwill | there is something called illume-config which I think provides the wrench icon and such |
| 06:36.14 | rooly|away | all writing is is the application of an organized pictograph system. the untrained mind still understands how to represent meaning via shapes and images |
| 06:36.17 | niklauz | it may be unimportant in general, but i think when talking about UI and interaction it's important to use terms clearly and consistently |
| 06:36.24 | rooly|away | therefore, writing is natural |
| 06:36.31 | niklauz | is starting to feel like a troll |
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| 06:38.00 | threede2 | nik: not knockng your idea, but it needs a bleeding good reason |
| 06:38.01 | niklauz | rooly|away: i don't know how u use the term 'natural', mebe just as the opposite of difficult? |
| 06:38.46 | rooly|away | natural, i mean as being intuitively part of the psyche in some fashion. in this context at least |
| 06:39.15 | niklauz | threede2: yr probably right, though i was thinking it has efficiency bonuses on OM-sized touchscreens |
| 06:39.19 | threede2 | what is the blleding good reason |
| 06:39.32 | threede2 | *bleeding* |
| 06:39.39 | rooly|away | ok, sleep time |
| 06:39.43 | rooly|away | gotta be up at 5 am |
| 06:39.46 | rooly|away | nn |
| 06:39.48 | niklauz | rooly|away: o ok, so you really think writing is natural like that? |
| 06:39.52 | threede2 | nn babe |
| 06:39.53 | niklauz | d'oh! |
| 06:39.59 | rooly|away | i'll answer that |
| 06:40.00 | niklauz | nn |
| 06:40.02 | niklauz | ook |
| 06:40.09 | rooly|away | if writing isn't natural, how did cave men do it? |
| 06:40.16 | rooly|away | and with that, i say aduie |
| 06:40.20 | niklauz | they didn't, they painted |
| 06:40.29 | rooly|away | pictographs in an organized fashion |
| 06:40.31 | rooly|away | aka |
| 06:40.32 | rooly|away | writing |
| 06:40.38 | niklauz | hahah |
| 06:40.38 | threede2 | writing IS painting |
| 06:40.47 | niklauz | WHAT?!?! |
| 06:40.56 | rooly|away | threede2, you see my point now, finish this discussion |
| 06:41.09 | niklauz | ... |
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| 06:41.32 | threede2 | rool: I will finish in my own time thanks |
| 06:41.46 | niklauz | threede2: you are disobeying a direct order |
| 06:41.53 | undrwate1 | grr |
| 06:42.22 | threede2 | k |
| 06:42.28 | threede2 | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 06:42.57 | matholio | hey all, I just reflashed to 20080808 and now my wifi says unknown ? any ideas ? |
| 06:43.07 | matholio | this was working with 20080806_update |
| 06:43.31 | undrwate1 | matholio: what's the expected behavior? |
| 06:43.53 | matholio | I would expect to see 'off'/'on' |
| 06:44.03 | matholio | I'm in setting/wifi |
| 06:44.14 | undrwate1 | ahhh... |
| 06:44.16 | matholio | <sigh> and no usb, and no terminal. |
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| 06:44.49 | undrwate1 | matholio: have you rebooted? |
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| 06:45.10 | threede2 | dont these people have support contracts? |
| 06:45.21 | matholio | actually it's been rebooted, several times, sometimes gracefully, other times battery was pulled. |
| 06:45.31 | threede2 | (not being funny) |
| 06:45.48 | undrwate1 | ugh...undestood...you may wish to choose a different image... |
| 06:46.32 | matholio | far out, and dialer does not register. |
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| 06:46.57 | matholio | one step forward, two steps back. |
| 06:47.22 | matholio | nice black desktop though. |
| 06:47.50 | undrwate1 | matholio: were you expecting a consumer device? |
| 06:48.17 | matholio | no, not at all. why ? |
| 06:48.21 | malik1972 | matholio: try a reboot |
| 06:48.42 | matholio | reboots |
| 06:49.06 | malik1972 | i had the same issue, reboots solved some of them |
| 06:49.28 | malik1972 | http://n2.nabble.com/Re%3A-Om-2008.8-doesn%27t-ask-for-my-pin-so-no-gsm-available-td681743.html#a681743 |
| 06:49.32 | matholio | manage my expectations please, I flashed kernel and rootfs from the links on the 2008.08 wiki page, should I expect phone, wifi and usb to work ? |
| 06:50.00 | undrwate1 | matholio: sorry...i misdirected my comment |
| 06:50.03 | goodwill | usb should work |
| 06:50.09 | goodwill | works fine for me |
| 06:50.12 | goodwill | can ssh in just fine |
| 06:50.27 | malik1972 | matholio: i am an enduser as you are, but i know the issues before it was worse they have done a good work |
| 06:51.00 | threede2 | not everything new works |
| 06:51.11 | malik1972 | at least the wiki says: this is our plan, this are the known issues, thats great |
| 06:51.49 | threede2 | 3D's 1st Law |
| 06:51.59 | matholio | I just don't see why there so much variance between devices. it's counter-intuitive. |
| 06:52.00 | malik1972 | so everyone should know where the problems are, before i was lost |
| 06:52.06 | undrwate1 | matholio: did you check the md5sums of your files? |
| 06:52.42 | matholio | no. I guess I could rule.... |
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| 06:54.47 | undrwate1 | matholio: yep...that way if you need to ask for support, you can at least say you did that ;) |
| 06:55.49 | matholio | md5 sig are not in the download folder. how can I compare ? |
| 06:58.05 | matholio | can someone paste the md5 sigs for theirs ? |
| 06:58.28 | matholio | 9d11744284f180b28423d6bfcd46bff2 Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2 |
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| 06:58.40 | matholio | f5a0e045ec9a2f0f08513fffc14b362e Om2008.8.uImage.bin |
| 06:58.50 | undrwate1 | hang on... |
| 06:59.20 | matholio | boots, fingers crossed |
| 06:59.23 | undrwate1 | 9d11744284f180b28423d6bfcd46bff2 Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 06:59.47 | undrwate1 | f5a0e045ec9a2f0f08513fffc14b362e Om2008.8.uImage.bin |
| 06:59.54 | undrwate1 | same |
| 07:00.01 | threede2 | >:o |
| 07:00.12 | matholio | ruled out. |
| 07:00.16 | undrwate1 | yep |
| 07:00.43 | matholio | hmm, uboot version shouldnt be a factor? |
| 07:00.49 | matholio | (thanks) |
| 07:01.33 | matholio | wifi - unknown |
| 07:01.34 | undrwate1 | matholio: actually...i didn't think it would, but from what i've read on the lists, it's a possibility |
| 07:01.52 | matholio | Profile - unknown |
| 07:02.22 | matholio | no usb. |
| 07:02.26 | threede2 | life should be easier |
| 07:02.46 | undrwate1 | only other thing to try is flash different image, then reflash 8.8 |
| 07:03.31 | matholio | I'll go back to ASU 2008.08.06 + update. |
| 07:03.54 | matholio | all this wears down the love for the project. |
| 07:03.57 | undrwate1 | yep...i did that...not too bad |
| 07:04.20 | matholio | constant hope/fail/wait cycle. |
| 07:04.32 | undrwate1 | heehhe...maybe turn away for a month or two? |
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| 07:05.19 | matholio | I think that may be the case for many. I love the project but it's not realistic to expect improvements daily. even weekly. |
| 07:05.47 | matholio | I'm setting myself up for disappointment. |
| 07:05.57 | undrwate1 | no it's not....and yes...we all are |
| 07:06.15 | matholio | steals himself for yet another dfu session |
| 07:06.52 | cozub | hi |
| 07:07.07 | cozub | I flashed 2008.8, to see what is it about |
| 07:07.26 | ieatlint | actually, i'd argue that improvements are beyond what most of you see |
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| 07:07.39 | cozub | and I guess I failed my IQ test, but... is there something like backspace on the on screen keyboard? |
| 07:07.50 | undrwate1 | ieatlint: i'd not disagree with you |
| 07:07.52 | matholio | sure, but git logs just don;t excite me. |
| 07:07.58 | cozub | i.e. when entering the pin |
| 07:07.59 | matholio | enough. |
| 07:08.07 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 07:08.08 | threede2 | DFU? |
| 07:08.15 | ieatlint | i never even bother reading the logs really |
| 07:08.28 | ieatlint | if you just lurk in the dev channel, you pick up a lot :P |
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| 07:08.51 | ieatlint | like thanks to lurking, i know a dtmf patch is about to come out for zhone |
| 07:08.57 | undrwate1 | cozub: you should have options for 3 different types of keyboard...including terminal with a backspace key |
| 07:08.58 | ieatlint | and that ussd is near, as well |
| 07:09.04 | matholio | dev channel ? |
| 07:09.12 | ieatlint | look in the topic |
| 07:09.17 | ieatlint | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.22 | undrwate1 | ieatlint: how about zhone for 8.8? |
| 07:09.36 | ieatlint | SHR may not be too far off |
| 07:09.41 | ieatlint | the fso framework is moving quickly |
| 07:09.51 | cozub | undrwate1: well, I just booted the image, in the way it was set up; I'll investigate |
| 07:10.06 | cozub | but I guess I was just missing something - there must be a way to erase mistyped key |
| 07:10.16 | undrwate1 | cozub: look to the top right of the keyboard...there's an icon there..tap it |
| 07:10.30 | matholio | and the framework rocks, I was poking about with python/dbus earlier. |
| 07:10.39 | ieatlint | yep |
| 07:10.44 | ieatlint | it has gprs working! |
| 07:10.47 | cozub | undrwate1: thx, I'll try |
| 07:11.16 | matholio | I don;t want to reflash everything, can someone point me to the lastes uboot, I may as well try that. |
| 07:11.37 | ieatlint | you try the latest kernel as well? |
| 07:11.56 | matholio | thought I did. 0808 |
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| 07:13.10 | ieatlint | i actually don't know what your problem is |
| 07:13.26 | ieatlint | but downgrading can also fix things on occasion |
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| 07:14.54 | dns53 | can someone help me fix my network, i changed the settings on the phone at work and i need to get it back to the default for home |
| 07:15.10 | wyze | so is 2008 more usable than 2007 atm? 0.o |
| 07:15.11 | dns53 | can someone send me thair /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 07:15.54 | ieatlint | i would, but i don't believe in helping others... sounds a bit too communistic to me |
| 07:16.04 | goodwill | anyone knows how to do backspace? |
| 07:16.27 | ieatlint | goodwill: try dragging the stylus/finger over the keyboard from right to left |
| 07:16.27 | matholio | right stroke over text |
| 07:16.31 | matholio | left, sorry |
| 07:17.08 | matholio | can;t find uboot, or old ASU images. |
| 07:17.34 | ieatlint | dns53: http://tehinterweb.com/interfaces |
| 07:17.49 | matholio | ah, found it. |
| 07:18.34 | dns53 | thanks |
| 07:18.54 | ieatlint | np, comrade |
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| 07:19.10 | goodwill | ieatlint: thanks |
| 07:19.17 | goodwill | hmm, I would have preffered an icon |
| 07:19.28 | goodwill | waits for fso to compile |
| 07:19.39 | ieatlint | you compiling the git? |
| 07:19.45 | threede2 | 8-) |
| 07:20.01 | goodwill | ieatlint: yeah... |
| 07:20.16 | ieatlint | goodwill: mind if i privmsg you? |
| 07:20.17 | goodwill | though I must say 2008.8 is an improvement |
| 07:20.23 | goodwill | ieatlint: no |
| 07:20.28 | goodwill | ieatlint: go ahead |
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| 07:23.18 | cozub | undrwate1: something is wrong here... I see just "Enter" :-/ |
| 07:23.29 | cozub | and I probably just killed my sim |
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| 07:25.11 | undrwate1 | cozub: i think you're better off than i am...i don't seem to have a keyboard at all ;) |
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| 07:25.30 | cozub | sigh... |
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| 07:27.48 | zogs | cozub: No pin-dialog appears after boot, so no gsm is working in 2008.8 |
| 07:27.58 | cozub | well, it does appear for me |
| 07:28.12 | zogs | is the first flash with om2008? |
| 07:28.19 | cozub | well, maybe after (few) reboots |
| 07:28.22 | cozub | but I flashed |
| 07:28.32 | cozub | Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 07:28.37 | cozub | I guess the yest. "release" |
| 07:29.44 | zogs | the sim work just with the first boot with me |
| 07:35.37 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03tick * r4593 10/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/ (5 files): Clean up some out of date scripts |
| 07:37.00 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03tick * r4594 10/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/ (gta02.conf resolv.conf): clean up out of date configure files |
| 07:37.44 | dns53 | yay i have networking working again |
| 07:38.01 | undrwate1 | cozub: i'm getting the keyboard..and it's not the same i remember... |
| 07:38.08 | undrwate1 | looking into it |
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| 07:42.25 | malik1972 | where is the backspace on the asu default keyboard |
| 07:42.41 | dns53 | is anyone porting an irc or im program to the phones? |
| 07:43.24 | malik1972 | dns52: pidgin is working within debian |
| 07:44.06 | dns53 | i'll have to play with debian, i need an image with an on screen kb when you login |
| 07:44.08 | mnagy | dns53: irssi works pretty well |
| 07:44.12 | cozub | hm, usb net doesn't work for me with 2008.8, so I guess I'm ***ed |
| 07:44.46 | cozub | is there a terminal installed by default in 2008.8? I don't see it anywhere, but maybe |
| 07:45.31 | undrwate1 | cozub: keyboard: do a downward slash on the left side |
| 07:45.52 | undrwate1 | upward slash in the middle gives caps |
| 07:46.14 | cozub | well, I found out how to switch between numbers/lower-/upper-caps and symbols |
| 07:46.23 | cozub | but still I don't see anything like backspace there |
| 07:46.24 | undrwate1 | ah! ;) |
| 07:46.59 | undrwate1 | backspace....left slash |
| 07:47.04 | cozub | aha |
| 07:47.20 | malik1972 | this terminal s... it does not work within applications like terminal2, midori ... |
| 07:47.22 | undrwate1 | kinda cool actually |
| 07:48.03 | cozub | undrwate1: thX, works |
| 07:48.11 | undrwate1 | np |
| 07:48.30 | cozub | yet... when typing text it somehow offers me a list of en words, which is more than bad when you're not typing english text |
| 07:48.34 | cozub | any idea how to switch that off? |
| 07:49.22 | cozub | (like in Messages/New message) |
| 07:49.37 | undrwate1 | hold the letter that you want longer than a 1/2 second |
| 07:51.06 | cozub | thX :) |
| 07:51.17 | cozub | I seem to have failed the IQ test today :)) |
| 07:51.44 | undrwate1 | no...it's not intuitive |
| 07:51.46 | cozub | still it's not exactly how I'd like it to behave, but it's usable this way |
| 07:52.01 | undrwate1 | i've told lpotter |
| 07:52.04 | cozub | does usb networking work for you? |
| 07:52.11 | undrwate1 | yes |
| 07:52.16 | malik1972 | for me also |
| 07:52.33 | malik1972 | once again: where i find the backspace? |
| 07:52.36 | undrwate1 | had a problem with an earlier kernel |
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| 07:52.37 | cozub | what's the default addr. set in neo? 192.168.0.202? |
| 07:52.43 | undrwate1 | malik1972: left slash |
| 07:52.48 | undrwate1 | cozub: yes |
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| 07:53.39 | malik1972 | okay, the problem is that minimo does not accept the input method at all |
| 07:53.51 | malik1972 | does it work for you |
| 07:53.58 | malik1972 | within which applications |
| 07:54.02 | undrwate1 | doesn't have minimo installed yet |
| 07:54.25 | undrwate1 | have you tried with a pre-installed app? |
| 07:54.26 | malik1972 | terminalprogram |
| 07:55.36 | malik1972 | :-) |
| 07:55.37 | undrwate1 | i don't have terminal either |
| 07:56.00 | malik1972 | whats the point, a bubble pops up and then i have to click it? |
| 07:56.06 | malik1972 | doesnt work for me |
| 07:56.09 | kd8ikt | ieatlint: http://pastebin.com/d41ad67b |
| 07:56.20 | kd8ikt | looky what i found |
| 07:56.24 | cozub | btw. I'd vote for terminal being included by default in the image... what's a phone good for when it has no terminal? ;) |
| 07:56.51 | kd8ikt | and modified for inverted use aswell |
| 07:56.53 | kd8ikt | http://markmail.org/message/4ifezykwm46breeg |
| 07:57.05 | malik1972 | i tried messages |
| 07:57.18 | undrwate1 | works for me in messages |
| 07:57.31 | malik1972 | i klick a letter |
| 07:57.41 | malik1972 | bubble pops up |
| 07:57.45 | malik1972 | i klick it |
| 07:57.54 | malik1972 | and it should give me the letter? |
| 07:57.59 | cozub | maybe somebody should write a page about the 2008.8 on screen keyboard :) |
| 07:58.02 | undrwate1 | well...it's like this |
| 07:58.19 | kd8ikt | rotate the screen and xrandr follows suit (accellerometers) |
| 07:58.20 | undrwate1 | tap tap tap...enter letters and app predicts your text |
| 07:58.42 | malik1972 | broken |
| 07:58.43 | undrwate1 | tap-hold, and you can force the letter |
| 07:58.45 | kd8ikt | i like the idea of flipping it upsiddown to init suspend mode |
| 07:59.06 | undrwate1 | kd8ikt: ooohhh...cool! |
| 08:02.12 | ZzzzZZzZzZorkman | and does it work kd8ikt? |
| 08:02.23 | kd8ikt | works for me |
| 08:02.41 | kd8ikt | i modified his email attached version for doing upsidown |
| 08:02.51 | kd8ikt | just a matter of adding 2 lines |
| 08:03.06 | kd8ikt | pretty pimptastic |
| 08:03.30 | ZzzzZZzZzZorkman | yes indeed, but doesn't it use up a lot of resources? (polling for the accelerometers?) |
| 08:03.51 | kd8ikt | i didnt care enough to look |
| 08:04.14 | undrwate1 | is there a daemon for that? |
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| 08:10.52 | hipitihop_ | just following SD preparation as per WIKI and wonder if I need to prep partions and format of SD via NEO or if in fact I can use my ubuntu desktop to do the same ? |
| 08:11.29 | tedo | hipitihop_: you can use your laptop |
| 08:11.49 | undrwate1 | hipitihop_: are you using fat+ext2? |
| 08:12.34 | hipitihop_ | tedo, haven't decided, whatever is best for me to put 2008.8 on SD (have Qtopia flashed) |
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| 08:13.17 | hipitihop_ | tedo probably ext2 perhaps even ext3 although this is just to play with so journaling is probably not important |
| 08:13.47 | tedo | i tried ext3 yesterday for the rootfs and it didn't work. ext2 is working fine |
| 08:14.02 | hipitihop_ | undrwate1, sorry see reply to you aimed at tedo |
| 08:14.14 | undrwate1 | i got the message ;) |
| 08:14.31 | undrwate1 | i'm still working on getting that to work... |
| 08:14.35 | wyze | reiserfs ftw |
| 08:14.38 | wyze | j/k |
| 08:14.39 | undrwate1 | i can boot kernel.. |
| 08:14.44 | undrwate1 | but not rootfs |
| 08:15.08 | hipitihop_ | so sounds like ext2 is the way to go. I geuss I could use gparted (I know probably deserve a smack by linux purists) |
| 08:15.26 | undrwate1 | cfdisk is pretty |
| 08:15.35 | Zorkman | hmmm seems like you can use maps from google maps with Locations in 2008.8... |
| 08:15.38 | hipitihop_ | on ubuntu ? |
| 08:15.45 | Quai | gpqarted is more user friendly ;P |
| 08:15.49 | undrwate1 | on linux |
| 08:15.51 | Quai | -q |
| 08:16.54 | wyze | fdisk /dev/sdx n p 1 n p 2 t 1 6 t 2 83 w mkfs.vfat /dev/sdx1 mkfs.ext2/3 /dev/sdx2 ...:p |
| 08:17.14 | undrwate1 | nice...one liner |
| 08:17.23 | hipitihop_ | wyze, is that aimed at me ? |
| 08:17.33 | wyze | thats the cli process |
| 08:17.55 | wyze | shall i continue? |
| 08:18.01 | undrwate1 | when you know what you're doing, that's really user friendly |
| 08:18.24 | wyze | nods |
| 08:18.43 | Quai | cli is always more userfriendly than point and click ui's when you know what you are donig ;P |
| 08:18.53 | hipitihop_ | wyze, ok this feels like a real noob question, cli ? |
| 08:19.07 | hipitihop_ | ok command line interface |
| 08:19.21 | undrwate1 | OMG ;) |
| 08:19.28 | wyze | less of a fudge factor with cli vs *parted |
| 08:19.38 | wyze | ime |
| 08:19.50 | undrwate1 | likes fudge...yummy |
| 08:19.59 | hipitihop_ | wyze agree... perhaps that could be added to the WIKI page for SD prep |
| 08:20.01 | wyze | has been hacking *nix on sd's for too long |
| 08:21.16 | wyze | if i have the time :/ ... i run a web dev company and a security app dev company, plus i'm having to crunch glade / ruby /gtk tonight :s |
| 08:21.38 | wyze | and our cat disappeared |
| 08:21.53 | undrwate1 | priorities...go after that cat!! |
| 08:22.08 | wyze | nods |
| 08:22.13 | hipitihop_ | chuckles |
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| 08:26.23 | Zorkman | has anyone opkg upgraded his 2008.8 image today?? |
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| 08:28.27 | kd8ikt | jumps the desk and starts budgeoning Zorkman with a red stapler |
| 08:28.42 | Zorkman | can't hurt asking |
| 08:28.46 | wyze | kd8ikt: it better be a Swingline |
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| 08:31.09 | undrwate1 | upgraded |
| 08:31.19 | undrwate1 | ...but i had some other repos in there |
| 08:31.29 | undrwate1 | somehow killed gui |
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| 08:54.28 | T0o0T | Also interested in reports of 2008.8, doesn't seem to be as stable as the openmoko team hoped it would be |
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| 08:54.54 | T0o0T | according to a small impression of someone on the mailing list. |
| 08:56.26 | kd8ikt | i tried it... not for long but i tried it |
| 08:57.18 | T0o0T | What are you using now? |
| 08:57.31 | kd8ikt | beer |
| 08:58.00 | T0o0T | hmmm... don't think that will help make anything more stable ;) |
| 08:58.16 | kd8ikt | stability is overrated |
| 08:58.20 | undrwate1 | i'm more stable when i'm drunk |
| 08:58.28 | wyze | agrees |
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| 09:06.47 | zogs | kd8ikt: <kd8ikt> beer ...slurp |
| 09:09.01 | Infoport | udrmate1: you weeble and you wobble but you don't fall down? |
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| 09:11.09 | Infoport | T0o0T: I learned right off to turn off suspend, because it was a HARD Suspend :-( but trying 2008.8 ASU on an SD card is really nice (no worries to go back) |
| 09:12.26 | Infoport | ok, once again it is WAY TOO EARLY in the MORNING here, so I'm gonna put my hacking addiction away for the night.... |
| 09:12.30 | Infoport | nite all! |
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| 09:14.13 | Infoport | kd8ikt: stability *IS* overrated-- Windoze gets frequent reboots; they just DON'T fix leaks,etc in a week or so |
| 09:15.20 | Infoport | well, time to stop talking to myself...I can only help with the stuff that you can figure out in the Wiki after an hour two anyway |
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| 09:17.20 | Infoport | if I can help any, I'll linger (LOVE to be helpful) but this channel seems asleep now |
| 09:18.14 | Infoport | (Linux addictions never go away, yoiu have to hold them back for the rest of your lie, or not sleep) |
| 09:18.23 | Infoport | of you life |
| 09:19.17 | Ainulindale | This channel isn't asleep =) |
| 09:19.25 | Infoport | of your life (sorry this is 5am typing...feed the addiction) |
| 09:20.28 | Rakshasa | No use trying to hold the addiction back... I've got Tux tattooed on my right shoulder... For the rest of my life =P |
| 09:20.41 | Ainulindale | Heh. |
| 09:21.02 | Ainulindale | And I thought I were an addict. |
| 09:21.08 | Infoport | Ainulindale: hello! I hoped there were others who can't sleep b/c of OM (or in another time zone) Any tips or experiences other than grumpy that 2008.8 isnt perfect :-/ |
| 09:21.31 | Ainulindale | Infoport: I installed 2008.8, saw I couldn't do a thing on that, then switched back to FSO |
| 09:21.40 | Ainulindale | And inbetween made a patch to support DTMF |
| 09:21.41 | Infoport | Rakshasa: I tip my hat (my RedHat fedora is in the other room, but I mean it!!!) |
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| 09:23.12 | Infoport | Ainulindale: I couldn't buy it when it first came out, but a couple weeks ago my wife said DO IT!!! I have a late start, but I love every grueling moment |
| 09:23.21 | Rakshasa | Infoport: thx. hmm. That'd be one nice looking hat. =P |
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| 09:24.24 | Infoport | Rakshasa: I need an outfit that does it justice...I love dressing to the hilt, but nothing really matches |
| 09:25.08 | Infoport | Rakshasa: a little OT...do you have a pic of the tat online? I've seen a couple, and I'm JEALOUS! |
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| 09:27.35 | Infoport | Ainulindale: I like the Map-packages you can download for divinity in 20008.8 -- they just aren't my cities. It has been discussed, and I'd love to grab map packages for the areas around me |
| 09:28.00 | Infoport | I mean map packages for OM2007 |
| 09:28.02 | Ainulindale | Infoport: I think more importantly we need stable stuff :-) |
| 09:28.03 | undrwate1 | how were they made in the first place? |
| 09:28.18 | Ainulindale | For my part I need a phone which is actually able to make calls :-) |
| 09:28.23 | Ainulindale | That's why I'm happy using FSO |
| 09:28.36 | undrwate1 | fso can do that...qtopia tambien |
| 09:29.02 | Ainulindale | undrwate1: I wasn't able to do a call with qtopia (ASU) |
| 09:29.11 | Ainulindale | And it was slow as hell |
| 09:29.14 | undrwate1 | Ainulindale: no...qtopia proper |
| 09:29.17 | Infoport | undrwae1: there is a limited number of zooms for any view-- they just put together full zooms of a few MAJOR cities (which was discussed for tangogps and other software) |
| 09:29.19 | Ainulindale | And ugly (to my eyes) |
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| 09:30.02 | undrwate1 | Infoport: i live in a major city..can't find my map :P |
| 09:30.52 | Tanuva | a fr not recognizing sd cards should be a kernel- not distro-issue, shouldn't it? |
| 09:30.54 | Rakshasa | Infoport: http://pallokorva.org/tuxtat.jpg |
| 09:31.06 | Infoport | Ainulindale: I followed the wiki for wolume adjustments, and had no sound on my end for a week, until someone gave me defaults and I made just a few changes. |
| 09:31.09 | Ainulindale | Oh, a beard |
| 09:31.31 | Ainulindale | Infoport: that's not sound related, just merely it won't call, saying there's no network |
| 09:31.41 | Ainulindale | Whereas using 2007.2 and FSO I can just do what I want |
| 09:31.49 | Infoport | Ainulindale: and I had a prepaid "starter phone" before, so I'm dealing with it |
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| 09:32.48 | Infoport | Ainulindale: no, I made calls, but it didn't send or receive the sound audibly. The "echo" changes helped, but the "buss" changes made it silent |
| 09:33.33 | Infoport | I agree though-- OM2007 has stayed most stable for me, even using daily upgrades |
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| 09:34.32 | undrwate1 | does the wifi thing in settings actually attach to an AP? |
| 09:34.46 | undrwate1 | or is it purely to show what's around? |
| 09:35.01 | dns53 | does it show any networks for you? |
| 09:35.05 | undrwate1 | yes |
| 09:35.17 | undrwate1 | 8 in my locality |
| 09:35.17 | Infoport | Rashasa: the shoulder looks good! I have one tat, but I've been thinking I should save my arms and go to my back next...but sooo many hobbies I could tat :-D |
| 09:35.34 | Infoport | Rakshasa: that tat is CLASSIC though!! |
| 09:37.17 | Infoport | undrwate1: do you close usb0 when you ifupo eth0? mine sometimes seems ok, but other times I think the gateway definition for usb0 might be interfering (mentioned in a Wiki somewhere) |
| 09:37.46 | Rakshasa | Only one for me I feel fanatic enough to take a tattoo =P |
| 09:37.57 | dns53 | so you can't have both usb and wifi? |
| 09:38.20 | Infoport | Tanuva: there is an issue with SDHC cards (more than 2G, like 4G+) and a workaround, but there is an issue with booting from SDHC |
| 09:39.39 | Infoport | dns53: there probably *IS*, cause a regular Linux system can figure it out, but I would go to the wiki to boost my limited knowledge |
| 09:40.05 | undrwate1 | Infoport: yes....works fine for a while...but then collisions start ( i think ) |
| 09:40.06 | Tanuva | Infoport: it's a hc/4gig one, and it did work properly yet with a little older kernel... |
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| 09:40.18 | Infoport | dns53: one fix is to take usb0 down and then usb0 up, but I think someone might have written a script that does it better |
| 09:40.40 | undrwate1 | anyway, i close usb and start eth0 |
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| 09:40.55 | undrwate1 | other way around ;) |
| 09:41.01 | dns53 | ok, i'm happy that i atleast have usb |
| 09:41.17 | davi | Another non-free iPhone like: http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS5396904668.html |
| 09:41.21 | Infoport | undrwate1: do you use a script, or just poke at the terminal keyboard each time? |
| 09:41.51 | undrwate1 | Infoport: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 09:41.58 | undrwate1 | ssh 192.168.0.202 |
| 09:42.08 | davi | Could the Openmoko display be bigger, say 3.2-inch ? |
| 09:42.13 | undrwate1 | script might be nice |
| 09:42.37 | Infoport | dns53: I think if you went somwhere NOT using usb, with wifi configured, it would be as good as having shut it down and you would be golden-- I just have used usb mostly |
| 09:42.47 | undrwate1 | anyway...kids will wake up soon...got to get as much sleep as possible |
| 09:43.28 | undrwate1 | night all ( or your respective timelines) |
| 09:43.45 | Infoport | undrwate1: have a good nite! I should probably sleep for the cvamping I already put off a day, but....addiction leads me on |
| 09:45.23 | Infoport | Tanuva: I think that you can currently boot rootfs off SDHC, but not the kernel, but the Booting_from_SD page tells it at the bottom. So far I just bought a couple of 2G cards instead |
| 09:46.14 | Tanuva | Infoport: but I don't boot off sd at all, it's just that it doesn't recognize the card's partitions now - /dev/mmcblk0 is there |
| 09:46.52 | Tanuva | really strange imho. |
| 09:46.52 | hipitihop_ | Infoport, I'm about to setup/partition my SD card (first time) so that I can install 2008.8 on it (currently have Qtopia flashed), anything I should know ? |
| 09:47.31 | Infoport | Tanuva: hmm...haven't seen that MYSELF (but I am only up to a point myself too) |
| 09:47.44 | dns53 | first partition should be fat, the next should be ext3, uImage.bin goes in the fat, the tar contents goes to the ext2 |
| 09:48.00 | dns53 | it needs the uImage.bin name there |
| 09:48.53 | Tanuva | Infoport: I'll just try mwester's kernel, maybe that does the job |
| 09:49.12 | hipitihop_ | dns53, is htat aimed at me or Infoport |
| 09:49.28 | Infoport | hipitihop: if you get/flash a uBoot past 7-23, you can pout the kernel on ext2 instead of VFAT, and you can even put each kernel and rootf on one partition each (found out after I had done it) and just change the variable in the uBoot option to point to the path instead of a generic variable with just uImage.bin set (no path) |
| 09:50.10 | Tanuva | Infoport: is there a howto flash the kernel on a fr anywhere? The wiki wasn't that helpful... |
| 09:50.16 | *** part/#openmoko Rakshasa (n=rakshasa@a88-115-107-23.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 09:51.01 | Infoport | Tanuva: a lot of the info is there, but I had to open 2-3 pages and flip around the first time to get it right...I'll look for a link |
| 09:51.46 | hipitihop_ | Infoport, 7-23 ? |
| 09:51.59 | dns53 | ./df-util -a kernel -R -D uImage.bin |
| 09:52.18 | Tanuva | hipitihop_: july-23 |
| 09:52.26 | Infoport | Tanuva: oh! on SD, once you set up the partitions with a reasonable chunk each, you actually copy the uIm,age.bin over, and un-tar the rootf into its partition |
| 09:52.40 | Tanuva | Infoport: correct |
| 09:53.10 | Infoport | hipitihop: flash a uBoot = or later than 7-23-2008 date |
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| 09:53.30 | hipitihop_ | Tanuva, ah yes already have more recent |
| 09:53.44 | Tanuva | I don't |
| 09:53.45 | Tanuva | :D |
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| 09:55.34 | Infoport | dns53: I thought so too, but someone else pointed out that with newer uBoot, they can all be ext2 (or *probably* ext3 also), and it only has to be called uImage if you make the uBoot menu entry to use the same variable for the name or put literally "uImage.bin"--if you spell it out "uImage-special-recipie.bin" it can load that one |
| 09:57.03 | Infoport | dns53: so instead of ${sd_card_image} or whatever, you can put "/boot/uImage-my-recipie.bin" and put the uImage on the same partition os the rootfs |
| 09:57.42 | Infoport | uImage-my-recipe.bin is my boring example |
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| 09:57.51 | hipitihop_ | Infoport, someone else said they couldn't get ext3 going so I guess I'll set up ext2...as for uBoot variables, that's outside of my understanding at this point, so more to learn |
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| 10:01.26 | Infoport | hipitihop: to have it boot, you have to go into uBoot (in wiki directions) and enter a line "setenv menu_# blah blah" and there is a variable that is set to uImage.bin-- just put a literal path instead of the ${sd_image_name} variable in the "setenv" statement (which the wiki gives you to copy and paste!) |
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| 10:04.49 | Infoport | hipitihop: the newer uBoot halready had the boot from SD with VFAT and ext3 option, but I wanted the ext2+ext2 option possible wit hthe newe uBoot...the Wiki explains it in detail, and then gives you a cut-n-paste statement |
| 10:05.37 | tdobson | /me has broken his freerunner *again* from installing too much stuff (om2007.2) |
| 10:06.03 | tdobson | it gets up to the sunrise screen "please wait" and then freezes... :( |
| 10:06.04 | Infoport | tdobson" buy TWO, they're small! :-D |
| 10:06.16 | tdobson | I guess there goes another flash... :( |
| 10:06.37 | tdobson | Infoport: haha. yeah, I would if I could afford it actually |
| 10:06.39 | Infoport | tdosbon: did you fill your card and cant boot b/c of no tmp space? |
| 10:06.47 | tdobson | but its more fun trying to persuade other people to get them |
| 10:07.37 | Infoport | tdobson: that is EXACTLY why I enable local GUI login for root, for when /home gets filled and normal users cant login (in normal Linux like Fedora/Ubuntu, etC) |
| 10:07.43 | tdobson | Infoport: not sure. I suppose it was possible. I downloaded a *large* amount of kernel updates |
| 10:08.51 | Infoport | tdosbon: strange...my 512MB was ok with daily updates for as long as I had it in (with stuff written to internal memory anyway) |
| 10:09.16 | hipitihop_ | Infoport, so you followed instructions here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD and would recommend to follow them as is ? |
| 10:09.27 | tdobson | Infoport: well I'm going to take a look |
| 10:09.41 | Infoport | I just finally completed SD boot when the new image came out (only had mine for 2 weeks) |
| 10:10.10 | tdobson | if I do need to flash it again, I'm going to write a script to install all the junk I want for a 2007.2 install |
| 10:12.08 | tdobson | hmm |
| 10:12.10 | Infoport | hipitihop: yes! I followed a link or two for more info. If you want, I'm told you can spell out the path in the "setenv" statement, and put each kernal&rootfs on one partition each, and simplify, but I only have one OS on the SD now, with a partition for kernel (called uImage.bin) and the only issue I had was 2008.8 doesnt alway resume from suspend, so I turned it to "off" in the Settings once booted |
| 10:12.15 | tdobson | I don't seem to be having space issues |
| 10:12.24 | hipitihop_ | is there a command to verify what version of uboot I have ? |
| 10:14.20 | Infoport | hipitihop: if you boot into NAND (hold power, then immediately AUX for 5-8 sec, and uBoot menu comes up) it will tell you a version. But then you need to start following thosedirections, like over usb change the timeout away from 60 sec to 99999 so you have time to edit. It is really like grub, but the menus are in env. variables in memory |
| 10:15.23 | Infoport | hipitihop[: there is a Bootload page linked from there that helped me also |
| 10:15.38 | Infoport | (from Booting_from_SD_card) |
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| 10:17.05 | hipitihop_ | Infoport, I'm assuming I do not have to reflash my currently working Qtopia as part of this process and instead can just copy/flash directly to sdhc |
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| 10:18.40 | Infoport | hipitihop: correct: I kept my OM2007 with updates on the internal memory. you just either have to hold buttons to get the boot menu, and choose your new boot from SD vfat or ext2 + ext2, or set it as default (which I dont want to do yet) |
| 10:19.53 | Infoport | hipitihop: in fact, you *could* do everything on a host computer with the microSD card inserted (*except* for the new uBoot menu_# entry) |
| 10:20.11 | hipitihop_ | Infoport, thanks, I think I understand enough to be dangerous. doing Fdisk on sdhc now |
| 10:20.27 | tdobson | right |
| 10:20.42 | hipitihop_ | Infoport, doing verything on host via ssh session to fr |
| 10:20.49 | loony | Hello, I have problems with my network setup again, my config looks like this: computer 192.168.0.200, openmoko 192.168.0.202, router 192.168.0.1, netmask on computer for dev usb0 255.255.255.248. I can ping the desktop from within the ssh session of the openmoko, but I cannot ping www.google.com, though I can ping googles ip address. i have set the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf to 192.168.0.200 (my desktop) |
| 10:20.52 | tdobson | I can't be bothered figuring out why this isn't working because I could be here all day... |
| 10:21.01 | tdobson | flashes the filesystem |
| 10:21.04 | Zorkman | just read that raster is going to quit openmoko :( |
| 10:21.08 | loony | btw: i have 2008.8 on openmoko |
| 10:21.25 | tdobson | loony: do you have an ssh session |
| 10:21.29 | *** join/#openmoko surf2me (n=surfer@unixboard/users/surf2me) |
| 10:21.31 | tdobson | (on the freerunner) |
| 10:21.33 | Infoport | hipitihop: when you boot from SD, you really have most all of on the card. One warning: there are special SDHC instructions (for HD cards...4G+) and I think you cant have the kernel there, but I didnt dfo that--refer to the Booting_from_SD_card page at the bottom |
| 10:21.59 | loony | tdobson: yes, as I said, I can ping googles ip from within ssh in openmoko, but not "www.google.com" |
| 10:22.09 | hipitihop_ | Infoport, have default new sd from openmoko which came with fr, 512 me thinks |
| 10:22.15 | *** part/#openmoko wyze (n=swc|666@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 10:22.16 | Infoport | Zorkman: any idea why? |
| 10:22.19 | tdobson | loony: set the nameserver in /etc/resolf.conf to "212.159.6.9" |
| 10:22.27 | tdobson | it will save you hours of headaches |
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| 10:22.43 | tdobson | oops spealt resolv.conf wrong - don't copy and paste that |
| 10:22.53 | loony | tdobson: traceroute gives me "traceroute: www.google.com: Host name lookup failure" |
| 10:22.58 | Infoport | hipitihop: then it is SD, but SDHC is for 4G and over (and for some reason currently has special issues/procedures) |
| 10:23.09 | loony | tdobson: whats that? i mean what nameserver is that? |
| 10:23.27 | Zorkman | Infoport: nope, but i did hear him say a while ago that he wasn't all that agreed with some descisions (e.g. the keyboard stuff and being forced to do everything in python and not using c) |
| 10:23.33 | tdobson | loony: yeah. change the nameserver from 192.168.0.200 to 212.159.6.9 |
| 10:23.50 | tdobson | loony: it's the local dns server for me... you might want to use your own |
| 10:24.17 | loony | tdobson: ok, I'll try that... w8 |
| 10:24.17 | tdobson | in my experience using a "real" nameserver solves 90% of problems |
| 10:24.21 | tdobson | no prob |
| 10:24.27 | Zorkman | Infoport: he resigns at the end of august |
| 10:24.49 | Infoport | tdobson: I use my router, but you can also use your providers nameservers (named in your host computer probably). My router is fed from them, so it works for me. |
| 10:26.02 | tdobson | Infoport: I use "normal" nameservers so I can use wifi nicely from "outside" |
| 10:26.25 | hipitihop_ | Infoport, hmm, got following during fdisk: Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table |
| 10:26.25 | hipitihop_ | fdisk: WARNING: rereading partition table failed, kernel still uses old table: Device or resource busy |
| 10:26.26 | tdobson | Infoport: do you know if 8GN microSDHC cards are supported/work |
| 10:26.40 | tdobson | s/GN/GB/ |
| 10:26.48 | tdobson | indeed |
| 10:27.05 | mjr | they work (no idea about booting) |
| 10:27.11 | Infoport | Zorkman: wow. I can understand some people really have strong language preferences, and frankly I wonder at some things but havent been able to read every list message recently-- I can understand differences in architecture preferences. (running Linux for godsake) |
| 10:27.49 | loony | tdobson: thanks, putting the dns of my provider directly worked... strange, before I used qtopia and there "192.168.0.200" worked fine as the dns... must be something with 2008.8 |
| 10:28.02 | Zorkman | Infoport: he will be continuing to contribute to the community though, thank god for that |
| 10:28.28 | tdobson | loony: well I've had that problem since I got it, but anyway.. if you get that error again, that's how I would solve it :) |
| 10:28.37 | Zorkman | Infoport: I do hope they get a good replacement... raster really cared and I can't say for sure, but I think he was a pretty damn good programmer |
| 10:29.05 | loony | tdobson: thanks again... bye |
| 10:29.09 | Infoport | apt: yes, but I think there are some issues with workarounds. Maybe they havent gotten perfect support? I just read of the boot workarounds. The uBoot doesnt do it, but the kernel DOES (so 2nd part can go there). I *THINK*-- I just stayed with 2G (being "cautious"??) |
| 10:29.09 | apt | Infoport: what are you talking about? |
| 10:29.18 | tdobson | loony: no prob |
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| 10:30.13 | tdobson | Infoport: I think apt was quoting me |
| 10:30.25 | Infoport | apt: sorry--- SDHC cards. The bottom of Booting_from_SD_card page has specific instructions for SDHC b/c of some issue/non-compliant support |
| 10:30.47 | Zorkman | Infoport, tdobson: apt is a bot i think :) |
| 10:30.50 | Tanuva | Infoport: apt is a bot |
| 10:30.55 | tdobson | lol |
| 10:31.31 | Infoport | DOH! I get caught by bots. |
| 10:31.32 | tdobson | Infoport: thanks anyway :P |
| 10:31.37 | Tanuva | in #sidux people always talk to aynoS, who is a bot, too.. |
| 10:32.03 | Tanuva | Infoport: so either the bot is damn good or... :P |
| 10:32.10 | tdobson | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boten_Anna # strikes parallels |
| 10:32.19 | Zorkman | :) |
| 10:32.26 | Zorkman | yeah, maybe apt really is a hot blonde :) |
| 10:32.55 | Infoport | Tanuva: like I've told people here...I'm *only* a few steps ahead of those I try to help...not a wizard, just play one on TV |
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| 10:33.14 | Tanuva | Infoport: same here, if even a few steps :) |
| 10:33.21 | tdobson | too |
| 10:33.25 | Infoport | Tanuva: maybe the bot has one up on me :-D |
| 10:33.37 | Tanuva | hehe |
| 10:33.40 | tdobson | hah |
| 10:34.13 | Tanuva | so, let's see if I can find a kernel that reads my sdhc card again... |
| 10:35.07 | Infoport | sometimes when I catch a bot, I try to say something stupid or really overboard, b/c I feel stupid people need help (hey, *I* got help) and I wnat to check...but they pull me in where I'd never trust spam |
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| 10:36.39 | Infoport | a little OT: I've seem a few logs where an Eliza program was set so a chat room, and many people never knew, even if they got annoyed. the masses are SO FUNNY! |
| 10:37.33 | Tanuva | lol |
| 10:38.27 | tdobson | Infoport: I've seen some funny bots |
| 10:38.33 | Infoport | hehehe I met a geek friend from Science and Math a couple weeks ago. He had an iPhone coming, and I told him I had the Openmoko phone coming...he was duly impressed and I won the geek-off for once |
| 10:39.44 | Infoport | Eliza used to freeze if you had a few lines of conversation, then said "why won't you help me" |
| 10:41.16 | hipitihop_ | Infoport, please see http://paste.uni.cc/19237 error I get when trying fdisk on my sd |
| 10:41.29 | Infoport | (so far) I'm slightly ahead of the average AI program like Eliza |
| 10:42.02 | Tanuva | Infoport: especially because you know irony ;D |
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| 10:42.32 | Tanuva | hipitihop_: your card was/is still mounted, a reboot should fix that |
| 10:42.45 | Tanuva | (-> provoke the kernel to reread the part-table |
| 10:43.03 | Infoport | hipitihop: it is mounted, cant be changed b/c of that |
| 10:43.03 | hipitihop_ | Infoport, strange, it is a fresh boot and I have never mounted it by hand |
| 10:43.11 | Infoport | oops a little late on the ingo |
| 10:43.13 | Infoport | info |
| 10:43.29 | Tanuva | the first part gets mounted automagically |
| 10:43.39 | hipitihop_ | Infoport, should I just rip it out and do the same on my ubununtu host |
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| 10:44.17 | Infoport | hipititop: it has been partitioned already, and is mounting. I used a new card, but I think that is the problem (like Tanuva said :-D ) |
| 10:44.58 | Tanuva | 12:42:31 <Tanuva> hipitihop_: your card was/is still mounted, a reboot should fix that |
| 10:45.23 | hipitihop_ | Tanuva, ok will reboot it now to see |
| 10:45.58 | Infoport | hipitihop: well, a matter of preference...I thought my alternate boots might not last, so I bought two 2G cards and plan to switch for a third boot (until they're worth keeping long) |
| 10:46.59 | Infoport | 512M seemed too limiting, even if it is my imagination, so I use it for data only |
| 10:47.20 | hipitihop_ | Infoport, makes sense..currently only have what came with fr out of the box and simply want to play with 2008.8 as Qtopia seems most usable/stable stack |
| 10:47.51 | trix | i'm glad i tarred up all the stuff i had on /media/card and made a back up. my card keeps getting cleared, i don't know if it's the reflashing that's doing it or something else, but it's insanely annoying |
| 10:48.01 | Infoport | check salescircular.com for weekly deals (or elsewhere) and you can get a 2G for ~$13 |
| 10:49.05 | Tanuva | Infoport: I bought this one big card because switching the sd card is really... annoying on this device ;) |
| 10:49.10 | Infoport | trix: if you update through "opkg" it doesn't erase, but I think a flash (like dfu_util) erases it |
| 10:49.30 | trix | because /media/card is part of rootfs? |
| 10:49.39 | trix | yuck |
| 10:49.53 | Tanuva | dfu-utils doesn't flash to sdcarfds |
| 10:49.53 | Infoport | Tanuva: amen! maybe a change in the next? if they want to reserve an SD card for OS, they need another handy |
| 10:50.46 | Tanuva | Infoport: DO they want to reserve a whole card? |
| 10:50.56 | Tanuva | isn't that up to you? |
| 10:51.01 | Infoport | trix, Tanuva: good point...sorry, I am not the wizard my pointy hat implies. :-/ |
| 10:51.11 | Tanuva | :D |
| 10:51.36 | Tanuva | trix: the sdcard should never get erased automatically afaik |
| 10:51.53 | Infoport | Tanuva: I think it should only be if you set configs in tagogps and links and other places that your SD card gets used |
| 10:51.55 | trix | yeah. got this 8gb sd card figuring i'd keep a whole plethora of stuff on it between re-flashing the OS. but it gets wiped out. |
| 10:51.56 | Tanuva | (although I got the impression that mine lost it's partitions...) |
| 10:53.05 | Infoport | trix, Tanuva: I have not even tried to deal with the SDHC issues, but there are one or two (mentioned in Wiki pages) |
| 10:53.08 | trix | hmm. well i saw mine lost its partition table once, i think it was due to a suspend. the rest of the times it's just emptied |
| 10:53.09 | hipitihop_ | Tanuva, you are correct.reboot cleared it and fdisk now worked |
| 10:53.13 | Tanuva | I can try any kernel, none of the wants to see more than /dev/mmcblk0... :/ |
| 10:53.28 | Tanuva | hipitihop_: nice :) |
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| 10:53.51 | Tanuva | trix: due to a suspend?! maybe I got the same issue |
| 10:54.11 | trix | yeah i forget what os i was running at that point. maybe fso? i forget. |
| 10:54.29 | Infoport | Tanuva: Ubuntu was so "automagical" that I fscked mine over the Freerunner rather than deal with Ubuntu auto-mounting options and crap |
| 10:54.35 | trix | it was documented on the wiki as well. total corruption of the sd card |
| 10:54.39 | hipitihop_ | goes to second step, mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 10:55.48 | Tanuva | trix: then I'll just repart it, luckily nothing valuable on it yet :) |
| 10:56.37 | trix | Tanuva, that's good. definitely make an image out of it once there's stuff you don't want to lose |
| 10:56.50 | Infoport | Tanuva: that is why I like to start with very separated partitions with beta OSes. Just switch cards! |
| 10:57.38 | Tanuva | Infoport: considering this, you're right :D |
| 10:57.58 | Infoport | Tanuva: I feel a little guily that /home or something isnt on a separate partition-- that has helped me on other Linux systems when hardware or configs start to fail |
| 10:58.40 | hipitihop_ | mkfs of 1 as fat and 2 as ext3 worked |
| 10:59.43 | Tanuva | Infoport: that's why I store all my data not in /home/root but in /media/card :) |
| 11:00.27 | Tanuva | hipitihop_: ext3 is imho not the best choice because the journal eats many r/w cycles of the flash mem |
| 11:00.27 | Infoport | hipitihop: yea!!! with a new-ish uBoot, you may already have the entry. If you need to add it, or go ext2+ext2 (no VFAT) the Wiki has a cut-n-paste command to add that menu item(kudos, it works!!) |
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| 11:01.04 | Tanuva | seems like I really gotta get a new uboot... |
| 11:01.39 | Infoport | Tanuva: I should do that on OM, but havent yet :-/ I'm trying to think if I should make it 3rd or 4th oartition on each :-D |
| 11:02.00 | Infoport | (for consistency across my own cards) |
| 11:02.02 | Tanuva | I just got one huge, that's enough for now |
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| 11:02.27 | hipitihop_ | Tanuva, sigh, I'm following th WIKI, but agree.... should I restart ? |
| 11:03.04 | Infoport | Tanuva: the Uboot images from 7-23-2008 forward dont even need VFAT, and the wiki gives you each tyope of uBoot entry! :thubup: |
| 11:03.06 | Tanuva | hipitihop_: you also may simply mount e3 as e2, just change the fstab |
| 11:03.31 | Tanuva | Infoport: okay, that's the next step on my schedule |
| 11:04.14 | hipitihop_ | Tanuva, hmm I don't mind going back to step 1 and fdisk again... but me thinks time to go chill and watch olympics ;-) |
| 11:04.34 | Tanuva | hehe, hf :) |
| 11:04.51 | hipitihop_ | hf ? |
| 11:04.55 | Tanuva | have fun |
| 11:04.56 | ajbrun | anyone know if it's possible to install applications to the sd card, so that if i install a new image, i'll still have the same apps as before? |
| 11:04.59 | Infoport | hipitihop: agreed-- I formatted as ext3, but then ended up mounting as ext2 (b/c wiki implied *maybe* it needed it) |
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| 11:05.36 | hipitihop_ | so the general consensus is might aswell format as ext2 ? |
| 11:06.40 | Infoport | hipitihop: you *will* change it :D I made a kernel partition in ext2, and then another here told me with newer uBoot that supports ext2, you could just put it in one partition and specify it on the setenv line |
| 11:07.21 | Infoport | hipitihop: but hey, it works for me now...no point in changing, b/c it *will* be different in the future anyway |
| 11:07.23 | trix | ajbrun, you would have to create the filesystem links each time |
| 11:08.10 | hipitihop_ | Infoport, shaking head in a bit of confusion. Thanks for the help all, opinions and notes taken. Will ponder after some olympics |
| 11:08.13 | ajbrun | hmm ok |
| 11:08.47 | hipitihop_ | Tanuva, Infoport thanks for putting up with my noob questions |
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| 11:09.20 | kd8ikt | oh man the suns back up |
| 11:09.20 | Infoport | hipitihop: I spent a couple of hours reading, and an hour asking for advice on what I didn't understand...that is why I can pass along the knowledge of others so easily :-D |
| 11:09.24 | trix | ajbrun, this details the linking process, but it would have to be done after each reflashing (or you'd have to record the symlinks being made - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Package_management#Linking.2FUsing_Packages_on_the_Card |
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| 11:09.49 | ajbrun | ty - i'll give it a look :) |
| 11:10.12 | Tanuva | hipitihop_: there are no noob questions :D |
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| 11:10.43 | Infoport | kd8ikt: I'm the only one addicted enough to still be awake in my house :-/ |
| 11:10.49 | kd8ikt | puts up a sign that read "Dont Feed the n00bs" |
| 11:11.16 | kd8ikt | they're stoma |
| 11:11.23 | kd8ikt | chs cant handle human food |
| 11:11.58 | trix | kd8ikt, any place i can find the lint-wifi_rc1.ipk? |
| 11:12.04 | Infoport | Knowledge is Power. Power is Exhiliration. Exhiliration is the Drug. Need more? |
| 11:12.08 | kd8ikt | howbout that neat lil python script for swaping display |
| 11:12.26 | kd8ikt | i guess i could compile it... yet again |
| 11:12.43 | Infoport | kd8ikt: is that for 2008.8? have't figured out how I change orientation yet |
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| 11:12.51 | trix | the last compile was for 2007.2 right? that's what i'm running :) |
| 11:12.56 | kd8ikt | if it uses xrandr aswell it should work |
| 11:13.37 | kd8ikt | its not meant or not meant for any build its a general app that just requires python+gtk |
| 11:13.45 | trix | kd8ikt, well thanks for your work on it, it was looking pretty cool |
| 11:14.01 | kd8ikt | ieatlint: did most of it |
| 11:14.12 | Infoport | Divinity-Wifi is in the 2008.8 installer, although I havent put it to use yet |
| 11:14.12 | kd8ikt | the balls of it |
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| 11:16.04 | Infoport | I'm supposed to be camping, but new stuff came out and...I said maybe today.... hmmm |
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| 11:16.57 | trix | kd8ikt, when i had it installed yesterday it was refusing to run for some reason, then i gave 2008.8 a go, when i switched back i realized the link was down, now it looks like it's gone from the wiki. i'll keep an eye out for it though :) |
| 11:17.24 | kd8ikt | yeah i've been getting PM's ever since i deleted it |
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| 11:17.40 | Zero_Dogg | In the software shipped on the freerunner, how can I know the current battery capacity? |
| 11:17.51 | Infoport | I'm such a self-absorbed ass, I have been tinkering the last full day and making excuses |
| 11:18.04 | Tanuva | I can't really find anything about how to flash uboot to a fr. Can I simply pass "-a uboot" to dfu-util?! |
| 11:18.35 | kd8ikt | -a u-boot if i remember correctly |
| 11:18.50 | kd8ikt | it is on the wiki |
| 11:19.00 | trix | yeah that's right |
| 11:19.06 | Infoport | Zero_Dogg: there is an icon in the top (replaced by a bolt-symbol when charging) When not charging, it shows a level. If it doesn't plug in usb/charger and un-plug, and it refreshes. |
| 11:19.20 | Tanuva | okay, thanks :) |
| 11:19.21 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 11:19.49 | Tanuva | oh. I haven't seen that page yet. A miracle! :D |
| 11:20.40 | Zero_Dogg | Infoport: hrm, I just have a battery symbol with a ! inside it (charging it for the first time so want to know when it's done :) |
| 11:21.03 | Tanuva | Zero_Dogg: afaik that battery meter is broken |
| 11:21.58 | Zero_Dogg | Tanuva: figures, can I get it any other way? Some cli app or /proc file maybe? |
| 11:22.20 | Bubbi | Zero_Dogg: The battery meter shipped with the phone, doesn't work very well.. It will light green, when it's done, but you can't see how much it have recharged yet. |
| 11:22.51 | Zero_Dogg | Bubbi: ah, well, then I'll at least know when it's done. Thanks. |
| 11:23.14 | Bubbi | But if you get an ! inside, then it indicates that it isn't recharging, but rather that the phone is shortly to have a drained battery. |
| 11:23.34 | Bubbi | Zero_Dogg: Did you put it into the charger unit, or your pc..? |
| 11:23.52 | Zero_Dogg | Bubbi: charger, and it powered on all on its own when I put it into the socket |
| 11:23.57 | Infoport | Zero_Dogg: yeah I wish too...it will stop chargin when its done, then even give a warning that it is dropping (before it recharges). Maybe the status icon will improve. :-D |
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| 11:25.05 | Zero_Dogg | hehe |
| 11:25.19 | Bubbi | Zero_Dogg: Yeah, then it's just that the battery icon doesn't work correctly. I'd give it some hours in the charger, then it should have changed its icon |
| 11:25.30 | Zero_Dogg | now when I took it out of the socket and put it in again it rebooted |
| 11:25.47 | Zero_Dogg | okay, thanks, I'll just leave it alone then (as hard as that is) |
| 11:25.56 | raster | it all depends what os image/ui u have |
| 11:26.02 | raster | as to what may be displayed |
| 11:26.03 | raster | :)] |
| 11:26.20 | Bubbi | Zero_Dogg: the software in the phone from the start is in a very early beta stage.. and now it's even deprecated. :) |
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| 11:26.34 | Zero_Dogg | yeah, I'll reflash new software once it has charged |
| 11:27.51 | Bubbi | I haven't flashed it yet for the new 2008.8 image.. there's a lot of issues on the small list.. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8#Known_Issues |
| 11:28.14 | Bubbi | Can anybody tell if it's really annoying problems, or can you live with it for the moment..? |
| 11:28.45 | tdobson | will this do what I think it will: "echo "\nnameserver 212.159.6.9" > /etc/resolv.conf;" |
| 11:28.57 | tdobson | put a newline before "nameserver" |
| 11:28.59 | tdobson | ? |
| 11:29.24 | tdobson | Bubbi: you ought to have a look at it. at the momemnt I'm sticking with 2007 |
| 11:29.25 | cozub | echo -e if you want the \n to ne interpreted |
| 11:29.29 | cozub | but why do you want it there? |
| 11:29.59 | tdobson | cozub: because it might already have a line there...? |
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| 11:30.13 | cozub | > will anyway overwite old contents |
| 11:30.16 | tdobson | puts up disclaimer that his script writing abilities are very poor |
| 11:30.18 | Bubbi | tdobson: i'm not using the phone for the moment anyway, so it couldn't be any worse at the moment.. :) Does tangoGPS work for it..? |
| 11:30.20 | cozub | use >> to append... |
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| 11:30.36 | cozub | but still, the \n before should not be needed, as any sane text file does have a trailing newline |
| 11:30.38 | tdobson | Bubbi: it has it's own tango gps-like software |
| 11:30.50 | Bubbi | oh okay.. :) thanks.. |
| 11:31.00 | tdobson | I didn't manage to test it last night though I think it would work, how ell.... I don't know |
| 11:31.05 | matholio | bah, I just flashed uboot, kernel and rootfs and wifi say 'unknown'. |
| 11:31.16 | cozub | matholio: da same here |
| 11:31.29 | tdobson | Bubbi: I'd test it, see what you think, test qtopia and fso while you are at it and then see what you are most comfortable with |
| 11:31.36 | tdobson | but it's up to you :P |
| 11:31.36 | matholio | and Profile 'unknown' |
| 11:31.50 | cozub | there's this http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1625 |
| 11:32.05 | cozub | no idea what exactly it means, for me it was "not even once" |
| 11:32.11 | tdobson | cozub: aha. thanks :) |
| 11:32.16 | cozub | tdobson: np :) |
| 11:32.39 | Bubbi | tdobson: thanks for the tips.. as far as I can see on the screenshots, the interface of the 2008.8 is by far the best of them all, so i'll try that at least :) |
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| 11:33.54 | tdobson | Bubbi: it's different. qtopia is interesting to look at as well. I haven't tried FSO and I probably should, but atm I'm wrting/trying to write a script to setup 2007.2 nicely with a load of stuff installed :) |
| 11:34.09 | Bubbi | :) |
| 11:34.46 | tdobson | is http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ down for anyone else? |
| 11:35.00 | Bubbi | tdobson: I've just started my 3 weeks of vacation, so I've got nothing holding me back from testing it all :P |
| 11:35.15 | tdobson | Bubbi: similar :) |
| 11:35.26 | Bubbi | tdobson: yep.. it's not really responding very fast.. (timeout) |
| 11:35.39 | tdobson | :( |
| 11:35.59 | tdobson | gives up on thinking about installing some packages from it's repository for the time being |
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| 11:42.13 | Tanuva | since setenv doesn't seem to be able to simply overwrite uboot env variables (menu_1 f.e.), how to I erase menu_1 (or it's content) first? |
| 11:44.20 | malik1972 | tanuva: normally you do "setenv menu_1" |
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| 11:45.02 | Tanuva | malik1972: ah... I just found out that the newly edited var isn't displayed together with the others but at the bottom of the list |
| 11:45.05 | ConfidentiaL1 | isn't "fdisk -l" supposed to show all the disks and partitions when run on the FR? |
| 11:45.25 | kd8ikt | ok i'm repackaging lint-wifi |
| 11:45.25 | malik1972 | tanuva: right |
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| 11:45.50 | kd8ikt | and throwing in a bunch of eastereggs |
| 11:46.42 | malik1972 | will those images be based on the official 2008.8 image: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/workdir/deploy/glibc/images/om-gta02/200808/ |
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| 11:49.15 | Xilent | wow , my FR arrived today |
| 11:50.28 | lindi- | any ideas on how to debug openmoko applications efficiently? |
| 11:50.40 | lindi- | my gsmd keeps dying after a while |
| 11:50.57 | tdobson | lindi-: I know a bit about the gms stuff |
| 11:51.14 | lindi- | tdobson: how would you go about debugging gsmd? |
| 11:51.21 | tdobson | lindi-: not *very* much though. |
| 11:51.23 | lindi- | tdobson: do i need to recompile with debugging symbols? |
| 11:51.29 | tdobson | lindi-: run "libgsmd-tool -m atcmd " |
| 11:51.37 | lindi- | tdobson: it happens only after a few hours |
| 11:51.37 | tdobson | and see what it gives you (over time) |
| 11:51.57 | lindi- | tdobson: i was more asking about the general method of debugging on openmoko |
| 11:51.57 | tdobson | lindi-: well run it and send the output to a log fiel or something |
| 11:52.15 | tdobson | lindi-: I know, but that's what I know :P sorry :P |
| 11:52.23 | lindi- | in the ideal case the source code and debugging symbols would be on my PC |
| 11:52.32 | lindi- | and openmoko would only have stripped binaries compiled with -O0 |
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| 11:55.28 | kd8ikt | trix: |
| 11:55.41 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Lint-wifi#Beta_Testing |
| 11:56.35 | edje_ | hi all, i started the qemu emulator and after a while the "phone" starts up, but non of the buttons are working, it is just the welcome screen with the bluetooth sign, a start button, a lock button a big Q etc. but none of the buttons seems to be doing any thing. what am i doing wrong ? |
| 11:56.55 | kd8ikt | ah qtopia |
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| 11:57.32 | edje_ | nevemind, i found it already |
| 11:57.58 | matholio | looking for a most-recent uboot to try, before giving up on 200808, can anyone help ? |
| 11:59.07 | Tanuva | kd8ikt: which distro do you run lint-wifi on? |
| 11:59.23 | Tanuva | ah, I see *scrolling down* |
| 12:04.55 | malik1972 | does someone use 2008.8? |
| 12:05.18 | malik1972 | where do i get http://monochromementality.com/data/phoo/2008_08_05/medium/Screenshot-9.png |
| 12:07.03 | Tanuva | malik1972: that looks like fso |
| 12:08.34 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: do you want feeding regarding lint-wifi? |
| 12:09.00 | Tanuva | kd8ikt: is lintwifi in the multiverse repo? |
| 12:09.50 | cozub | malik1972: I'm running 2008.8 |
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| 12:11.01 | kd8ikt | no and no |
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| 12:11.40 | kd8ikt | its there cause i dont like manually installing each time i need it |
| 12:11.52 | chris_debian | Anyone know when the Openmoko will be usable by "normal" users, and a bit more mature than it is at the moment? Is there a release roadmap anywhere? |
| 12:12.22 | johngay | The initial estimates were 6 months from hardware release. |
| 12:12.34 | chris_debian | Oh, ok. Was the release in July? |
| 12:12.36 | johngay | But hardware release was a year late, so . . . |
| 12:12.44 | tdobson | kd8ikt: lint-wifi is awesome :) keep up the good work |
| 12:12.45 | chris_debian | Ahhh.... |
| 12:13.15 | chris_debian | I'm due to get a new phone in the next few months and wondered whether the Freerunner is viable, yet. |
| 12:13.18 | johngay | Of course the community couldn't help with the hardware issues they had. |
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| 12:13.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | chris_debian, hi mate |
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| 12:13.43 | chris_debian | Hi, KK. |
| 12:13.49 | chris_debian | Good to see you here |
| 12:13.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | chris_debian, :) |
| 12:14.07 | johngay | If you can contribute anything, even trying to port other apps, I'd say get one now and help it mature. |
| 12:14.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | chris_debian, how well it works depends what image you install, and which revision thereof. (and what your tollerance level for bugs is) |
| 12:14.28 | chris_debian | :-). KK, have you got one, yet? |
| 12:14.38 | tdobson | chris_debian: you run gnu/linux? it's worth it as a phone. if you have no knowledge of gnu/linux it's not suitable.. yet |
| 12:14.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | chris_debian, yes, two :) (ones on loan to a mate) |
| 12:14.56 | tdobson | has had his for about 7 days and loves it. |
| 12:15.11 | chris_debian | Been using GNU/Linux exclusively at home since 1997, and have been a sys admin |
| 12:15.53 | tdobson | chris_debian: yeah you would have no difficulties with I - like you I got the freerunner because I needed a new phone and because I though it sounded intersting |
| 12:15.55 | chris_debian | If there is a reliable image, then count me in. Wasn't sure whether there was a "testing" download and a "stable" |
| 12:16.21 | chris_debian | KK...cool |
| 12:17.03 | johngay | More like "testing" , "unstable" and "broke-d1ck" (-= |
| 12:17.04 | chris_debian | I may just have to take the plunge. I'd have my old phone as a back-up |
| 12:17.12 | chris_debian | :-) |
| 12:17.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | chris_debian, if you can afford a few bugs, its seriouslyu worth it, the software will get better, and the hardware can do pretty funky stuf (epeically once the software catches up) |
| 12:17.38 | tdobson | chris_debian: it's relatively stable ime. in some places there is stuff that is not there, but what's there is generally stable. where stuff isn't there I suspect there would be stuff there by the time you get one delivered |
| 12:17.50 | chris_debian | Great...i'm convinced. Is there a roadmap for software releases, or is it daily builds? |
| 12:17.59 | johngay | But if you've used "testing" and seen past the bugs to the potential of the next stable, you should feel right at home. |
| 12:18.00 | tdobson | the software development is moving at a *rapid* pace. |
| 12:18.26 | chris_debian | Sounds like I'd better get my name down for one, in the UK. |
| 12:18.38 | tdobson | chris_debian: truebox.co.uk is where I got mine |
| 12:18.50 | tdobson | I think they have their next batch on the 30th august |
| 12:18.58 | tdobson | seemed quite efficient |
| 12:19.00 | chris_debian | Guys, thanks for your help. The long haired fuhrer is telling me that my cup of tea is going cold. Got to go. |
| 12:19.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | is thinking of getting a demo unit in the next AU batch |
| 12:19.15 | tdobson | hehe. cya :) |
| 12:19.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | chris_debian, later mate |
| 12:19.29 | chris_debian | Cheers, b4n. |
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| 12:20.43 | matholio | nobody ever mentions that it isn't usable a main phone. |
| 12:21.07 | matholio | it is a very exciting device, but it's not a working phone. |
| 12:21.29 | tdobson | matholio: that is a matter of opinion really. |
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| 12:21.46 | Wiedi | it is as a working phone here |
| 12:21.53 | Ainulindale | Same here |
| 12:22.08 | Ainulindale | I can call and receive calls, and send & receive SMS. |
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| 12:22.14 | Ainulindale | And use my contacts. |
| 12:22.23 | matholio | why can;t I then ? |
| 12:22.24 | Ainulindale | Which is mainly what a phone is supposed to do, isn't it ? |
| 12:22.32 | matholio | are our deviced so different ? |
| 12:22.38 | matholio | devices |
| 12:22.47 | tdobson | matholio: what can't yours do? |
| 12:22.54 | Ainulindale | matholio: why can't you indeed, you didn't describe your problem |
| 12:23.01 | bieber | Does 2008.8 not charge in standby mode? Because I just left mine plugged in to AC power in standby overnight, and it's dead now :/ |
| 12:23.29 | matholio | boot up reliably, connect to wifi, detect my carrier, connect via usb. |
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| 12:23.54 | Ainulindale | matholio: I don't have problems with bootups, nor with USB or carrier |
| 12:24.00 | tdobson | matholio: om2007.2? |
| 12:24.04 | Ainulindale | And I didn't try wifi |
| 12:24.19 | tdobson | wifi works nicely with lint-wifi & mofi |
| 12:25.12 | matholio | I just don;t understand how two devices can have the same stuff flashed and have such different outcomes. |
| 12:25.31 | tdobson | has written a script that should |
| 12:25.39 | tdobson | matholio: can you get yours to boot |
| 12:26.29 | matholio | it was booting, just stopped. blank screen. |
| 12:26.50 | matholio | I'm flashing again. if it fails I'll go back to an earlier build. |
| 12:27.40 | tdobson | when you get it running, try http://dpaste.com/70346/ to login via usb |
| 12:28.05 | matholio | I just wish it was consistant. |
| 12:28.18 | tdobson | (assuming host is ubuntu - otherwise just run as root) |
| 12:28.26 | matholio | with 2007.2 and asu and fso, usb was rock solid. |
| 12:29.21 | tdobson | matholio: this is 2008.8? |
| 12:29.26 | matholio | dmesg does not even show the device being plugged in/out. |
| 12:29.32 | matholio | yeah. |
| 12:29.36 | tdobson | oh right |
| 12:29.41 | matholio | 20080808. |
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| 12:29.56 | tdobson | uses 2007.2 to generate a nice phone. :) |
| 12:30.25 | tdobson | qtopia looks a bit like symbian in a polished sort of way. |
| 12:30.47 | lindi- | matholio: take kernel from 2007.2? |
| 12:31.17 | matholio | lindi-: serious? |
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| 12:31.28 | lindi- | matholio: well, if it works? |
| 12:31.41 | matholio | try random kernels. <sigh> |
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| 12:32.10 | kd8ikt | on 2007.2 what script is responsible for stareting neod? cause mine isnt starting |
| 12:32.40 | lindi- | i think it is the same that starts X |
| 12:32.44 | matholio | 2008.8 is a release. the rootfs and kernel for that release should play well. |
| 12:33.00 | kd8ikt | its not in /etc/matchbox/session? |
| 12:33.58 | matholio | (i'm grumpy, this is such an unproductive time sink, actually hacking seems a remote possibility) |
| 12:34.29 | matholio | ok, fingers crossed for boot..... |
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| 12:37.36 | Dave | SIGSEGV |
| 12:38.11 | matholio | ok, booted. hoorah. |
| 12:38.44 | weatherhead | should the 2008.08 mage from buildhost have things like the package manager already installed? |
| 12:38.46 | weatherhead | mine didn't |
| 12:39.12 | matholio | bah, no carrier registered. |
| 12:39.16 | matholio | no wifi. |
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| 12:39.29 | matholio | no usb. |
| 12:39.56 | matholio | it's hard to be philosophical, when so much does not work. |
| 12:41.05 | matholio | ok, time to find a different build... |
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| 12:41.34 | weatherhead | is "2008.08" the image called "openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02 |
| 12:41.39 | dns53 | is there a way to change the kb in asu? |
| 12:42.08 | dns53 | the 2008.08 is the one linked of the wiki page not the daily build |
| 12:42.35 | kd8ikt | no weatherhead http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 12:42.51 | weatherhead | kd8ikt: thanks |
| 12:44.03 | tdobson | matholio: this is the script I have just used to setup my 2007.2 http://dpaste.com/70345/ - no gurantees it works, won't break your phone your OS or anything but you might be interested. |
| 12:44.03 | weatherhead | am I expecting anything to actually work in this release? |
| 12:44.03 | xt | can one switch keyboard on om2008.8 ? |
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| 12:44.54 | tdobson | xt: yes |
| 12:45.05 | xt | is there documentation somewhere? |
| 12:45.06 | tdobson | or wait. I don't know |
| 12:45.45 | tdobson | xt: there seem to be complaints on the support mailing list about keyboard so I suspect there isn't an eay way to change |
| 12:45.55 | tdobson | yet |
| 12:46.23 | xt | tdobson: yeh, I saw that |
| 12:46.31 | xt | shame though, could change it easily in old release |
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| 12:48.07 | tdobson | xt: I imagine they will port the other stuff from qtopia -qwerty keybaord and handwriting recognition |
| 12:49.00 | balrog-k1n | s/port/copy over/ |
| 12:49.01 | dns53 | is there a way of entering a key for my wireless through my ssh connection? |
| 12:49.19 | Tanuva | dns53: you could edit wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 12:49.21 | weatherhead | dns53: is it WEP? |
| 12:49.28 | tdobson | qtopia isn't x11 so there will be *some* work invlved in it I imagine... possibly |
| 12:49.36 | weatherhead | if it's just WEP you can set it through ifconfig |
| 12:49.50 | dns53 | wpa, i want to use the asu tool so what config file does it use? |
| 12:50.00 | balrog-k1n | but i'm afraid they love their own keyboard too much to use qtopia's :/ |
| 12:50.44 | weatherhead | dns53: I believe it just is a GUI that edits wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 12:51.04 | dns53 | cool, i'll just edit that thanks |
| 12:51.09 | tdobson | http://dpaste.com/70349/ is might help you choose what to put in your wpa_supplicant |
| 12:52.44 | Dave | What's poppin' kiddies? |
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| 12:53.41 | Dave | Zorkman! |
| 12:53.51 | beni_home | hi there |
| 12:54.02 | Dave | s'kjera? |
| 12:54.27 | kd8ikt | drinkin a beer chilling in my papasan with my laptop in my lap and my phone next to me |
| 12:54.40 | Dave | kd8, pretty slick :p |
| 12:54.44 | kd8ikt | oh yea also watching venture brothers |
| 12:54.57 | Dave | where's the woman at? |
| 12:55.41 | kd8ikt | thinking where would a goog location be to setup my dual cam, wifi enabled p3 craputer (cam server) |
| 12:56.05 | kd8ikt | motion is neato |
| 12:56.38 | Dave | set it up on your freerunner! |
| 12:56.43 | Dave | That would be impressive. |
| 12:56.59 | kd8ikt | http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome |
| 12:57.02 | beni_home | i like that scrolling menu stuff of ASU very much. |
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| 12:57.21 | beni_home | that is pretty responsible, much better than that scrolling stuff from 2007.2 |
| 12:57.24 | lindi- | tdobson: what should i do with this 'libgsmd-tool -m atcmd'? |
| 12:57.48 | lindi- | tdobson: i can't call my phone but it says my operators name in the ui as if it were registered |
| 12:58.03 | tdobson | lindi-: run it... |
| 12:58.28 | tdobson | for me it seems my sim card is b0rked but it basically does diagnostics on your networks |
| 12:58.32 | tdobson | #outputs gsm errors |
| 12:59.26 | beni_home | where at the keyboard can i find a backspace input? |
| 12:59.34 | beni_home | i need to tweak the Map path of tangoGPS |
| 12:59.36 | tdobson | I used this to understand the errors http://activexperts.com/activsms/sms/gsmerrorcodes/ but I don't know where it's accurate or anything |
| 12:59.56 | lindi- | tdobson: it doesn't seem to output anything but banner |
| 12:59.56 | Dave | beni, just drag your pointer left I believe on the keyboard |
| 13:00.00 | tdobson | lindi-: it won't |
| 13:00.01 | Dave | it's rather unintuitive |
| 13:00.06 | kd8ikt | lol i had an error 100 |
| 13:00.11 | tdobson | now try doing somethingdialing out |
| 13:00.16 | Dave | winnah! |
| 13:00.17 | kd8ikt | and thats saying "unkown error" |
| 13:00.18 | tdobson | calling the phone |
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| 13:00.25 | kd8ikt | just great |
| 13:00.28 | beni_home | additionally, no character is accepted from the special char keyboard |
| 13:00.32 | lindi- | tdobson: i tried calling it, got "the dialed number can not be reached" |
| 13:00.37 | beni_home | ie i cant write slashes etc |
| 13:00.42 | Dave | I really wish the dialer would just say error: calling not implemented yet or something |
| 13:00.56 | tdobson | powering off the gsm aerial and powering it on |
| 13:01.04 | Dave | or try december software update or something |
| 13:01.15 | Dave | :P |
| 13:01.48 | Dave | ASU SHR GTK BBQ |
| 13:02.03 | beni_home | Ahhh found it out!!! |
| 13:02.06 | tdobson | lindi-: I would just try all sorts of stuff. I have no idea what do if you figure out the problem - I just know how to look at what is says... |
| 13:02.11 | beni_home | very cool gesture recognition |
| 13:02.16 | Dave | hah! |
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| 13:02.24 | beni_home | just move finger from right to left on keyboard gives backspace |
| 13:02.33 | Dave | Yeah, I just said that. :) |
| 13:02.58 | Dave | People seem to largely like the ASU keyboard input... though I am still skeptical about it's overall performance. |
| 13:02.58 | tdobson | I got error 100 and error 313 which aren't nice errors to have |
| 13:03.07 | Dave | and the fact that ASU as a whole still blows. |
| 13:03.31 | Dave | tdobson, happy error day? |
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| 13:03.38 | beni_home | Dave: sorry, have overlooked |
| 13:03.59 | Dave | I think I'm special, I now get error: 3 from opkg when it fails :P |
| 13:04.05 | Dave | A new discovery! |
| 13:04.07 | beni_home | But the problem with special chars remain |
| 13:04.22 | beni_home | it seems like the special char keyboard doesnt write anything |
| 13:04.28 | beni_home | any hints? |
| 13:04.35 | Dave | You think you're special, just because you're a foreigner? |
| 13:04.37 | Dave | hah! :p |
| 13:05.04 | beni_home | uah that is ugly: i have to type LONG onto the char i want to type at the special char keyboard |
| 13:05.05 | beni_home | lame |
| 13:05.14 | Dave | haha |
| 13:05.48 | Dave | hooks electrodes up to speedevil |
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| 13:06.44 | lindi- | tdobson: no output when i try to call out either |
| 13:07.03 | Dave | It should output... your voice? |
| 13:07.39 | lindi- | tdobson: strace -p `pidof gsmd` does not show anything either |
| 13:08.00 | kd8ikt | he likes it better when you clip em to his nipples |
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| 13:09.16 | beni_home | okay, i think i unerstand the keyboard now. Is there some article on the wiki describing its usage? |
| 13:09.26 | tdobson | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards # may affect you lindi- though by the sound of it not |
| 13:09.26 | tdobson | Dave: oh yeah, the past few days have been great fun :P |
| 13:09.26 | tdobson | beni_home: don't know much about 2008.8 sorry |
| 13:09.27 | beni_home | if not, i will go and write one now |
| 13:09.55 | weatherhead | beni_home: it would be worth mentjioning the differences between 2008.08 and the stock qtopia keyboard |
| 13:11.46 | tdobson | lindi-: try posting to the list :/ I have no idea sorry :( |
| 13:12.09 | Dave | :D |
| 13:12.34 | Dave | Freerunner_unable_to_work_at_all |
| 13:12.48 | weatherhead | I've just got 2008.08 booted, how do I make the wifi work? |
| 13:12.51 | weatherhead | it just says "unknown" |
| 13:12.52 | Dave | :P |
| 13:12.58 | Dave | Surprise! |
| 13:13.25 | Dave | Would someone please fix the goddamned offset bug already! |
| 13:14.17 | lindi- | Dave: which one? |
| 13:14.29 | lindi- | i know two offset bugs |
| 13:15.48 | kd8ikt | trix: |
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| 13:15.56 | Dave | Two? |
| 13:16.02 | Dave | There can be only one! :P |
| 13:16.10 | Dave | smirks |
| 13:16.20 | lindi- | Dave: does it have ticket? |
| 13:16.30 | Dave | The pointer offset bug when the device is switched into landscape mode on GTK. |
| 13:16.38 | Dave | lindi, I'm sure it has a million tickets by now. |
| 13:16.38 | lindi- | Dave: that is fixed |
| 13:16.42 | Dave | NO IT'S NOT. |
| 13:16.52 | lindi- | Dave: i can't reproduce :) |
| 13:16.53 | kd8ikt | yes it is |
| 13:17.01 | Zorkman | i had the same problem in 2008.8 |
| 13:17.04 | lindi- | Dave: the other bug is pointer in 240x320 mode |
| 13:17.06 | Zorkman | 2007.2 was fixed |
| 13:17.10 | Zorkman | (for me t least) |
| 13:17.10 | Dave | Well 4/5 users yesterday said it was still and issue. |
| 13:17.13 | Dave | I am one of them. |
| 13:17.19 | weatherhead | in2008.08, is the usb networking broken out of the box? I can ping my phone but not ssh into it |
| 13:17.22 | Dave | Zorkman, you're a special case :P |
| 13:17.33 | Dave | lindi, I can reproduce it. It won't leave me! :( |
| 13:17.43 | Blalien | does someone have a spacebar in 2008.8? Can't use the terminal |
| 13:18.14 | tdobson | Dave: I can reproduce it in 2007.2 :) |
| 13:18.34 | Dave | speedevil: 3.79V |
| 13:18.45 | peter-b | Blalien: try to slide your finger to the right |
| 13:18.49 | Dave | tdobson: good, more fuel for the fire! |
| 13:20.38 | lindi- | Dave: do you have the ticket number at hand? |
| 13:21.12 | Dave | Nope, sorry. |
| 13:21.16 | Blalien | peter-b: Thanks! ^^ So left is backspace |
| 13:21.19 | weatherhead | anyone: am I supposed to be able to ssh into the freerunner on 2008.08??? |
| 13:21.21 | weatherhead | if so, how |
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| 13:22.04 | Dave | lindi, suomalainen? :D |
| 13:22.11 | lindi- | Dave: yep |
| 13:22.19 | Dave | lindi, aaaa :D |
| 13:22.26 | matholio | weatherhead: I have the same issues. wifi - unknown; usb inop. |
| 13:22.43 | Dave | rakastan suomalainen! |
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| 13:22.51 | cozub | usb works for me in 2008.8 |
| 13:22.55 | weatherhead | matholio: I had this working in the "qtopia-devel" image from buildhost |
| 13:22.59 | weatherhead | mind you that was broken in most other ways |
| 13:23.07 | cozub | the same as in 2007..2 |
| 13:23.20 | spdr_ | hmmmm |
| 13:23.23 | Dave | lindi, are you looking for the ticket? |
| 13:23.24 | spdr_ | mokomakefile |
| 13:23.26 | matholio | I had it working with a simialr build from 20080806 |
| 13:23.36 | spdr_ | is taking like .. over 12 hours to setup and compile |
| 13:23.40 | spdr_ | is that normal? :\ |
| 13:23.43 | matholio | and *that* was broken in other ways. |
| 13:23.49 | weatherhead | matholio: can you ping your phone? |
| 13:23.56 | weatherhead | does the ethernet gadget appear |
| 13:24.11 | matholio | I don;t even see it as a device on my usb bus |
| 13:24.18 | weatherhead | oh |
| 13:24.19 | weatherhead | I do |
| 13:24.38 | lindi- | Dave: i am unable to find it now |
| 13:24.41 | weatherhead | how th hell can this happen, the hardware is identical for everyone isn't it? |
| 13:25.01 | Dave | :( |
| 13:25.01 | matholio | I have no idea. it's so inconsistent. |
| 13:25.12 | kd8ikt | spdr_: what are you doing? compiling a firmware? |
| 13:25.14 | matholio | must be a nightmare for the devs to debug. |
| 13:25.29 | Dave | mitä kuuluu? |
| 13:25.40 | spdr_ | kd8ikt, i might be, the last command i executed was before i went to sleep :0 |
| 13:25.53 | spdr_ | but nearly 12 hours now, wtf ... |
| 13:25.55 | kd8ikt | yeah it takes about 24hrs to compile atleast on my 1.7Ghz laptop it does |
| 13:26.02 | spdr_ | oh fuck |
| 13:26.04 | matholio | weatherhead: what uboot you got ? |
| 13:26.11 | weatherhead | matholio: whatever shipped on it |
| 13:26.14 | spdr_ | im doing it on my laptop too, should have ran it on the xeon :( |
| 13:26.20 | kd8ikt | make openmoko-devel-image? |
| 13:26.30 | lindi- | Dave: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1244#comment:31? |
| 13:26.33 | spdr_ | yeah thats the last thing i did :0 |
| 13:26.34 | lindi- | Dave: have you applied the patch? |
| 13:26.46 | spdr_ | my laptop will soon turn into a fireball. |
| 13:26.51 | kd8ikt | oh yeah give it another 12 hrs and it should be done |
| 13:27.02 | kd8ikt | throw some fans on it |
| 13:27.16 | alphaone | hehe, gentoo users are already used to waiting :-) |
| 13:27.24 | spdr_ | i did, but what about me? how am i supposed to survive this heat :0 |
| 13:27.39 | kd8ikt | now hopefully you respect buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 13:27.46 | phrozen77 | thats DIAF for you |
| 13:27.46 | phrozen77 | :) |
| 13:28.06 | Dave | lindi, yes I applied the patch! |
| 13:28.18 | Dave | I even manually installed it and rebooted the phone several times. |
| 13:28.32 | lindi- | Dave: aha |
| 13:28.32 | Dave | It still is disoriented in landscape mode. |
| 13:28.41 | Dave | :( |
| 13:28.43 | zogs | o god..now the sim work... |
| 13:28.47 | Zorkman | anybody tried xrandr -o 1 on the 2008.8 image? i get an offset bug |
| 13:28.51 | kd8ikt | hey this is a gentoo machine :P |
| 13:28.56 | alphaone | Dave: Oh, not here anymore |
| 13:29.00 | Dave | kd8, stay away, ricer! |
| 13:29.02 | Dave | :p |
| 13:29.14 | Dave | alphaone, thanks but your success story isn't helping me much :P |
| 13:29.28 | alphaone | Dave: But it's making me feel better :-) |
| 13:29.39 | lindi- | Dave: i think we need to first understand how touchscreen is handled at all |
| 13:29.49 | alphaone | And current andy branch brings a big speedup in glamo as well |
| 13:30.17 | kd8ikt | is andy one of the paid openmoko guys? |
| 13:30.31 | Dave | ;( |
| 13:30.42 | alphaone | yeah |
| 13:30.47 | kd8ikt | i've been hearing about some crazy glamo Nondisclosure stuff |
| 13:30.58 | Dave | Where is the ml thread about this? |
| 13:31.12 | weatherhead | how do I know which uboot to use? |
| 13:31.14 | Dave | I'd rather see discussion that a "magical fix" that suddenly closes the subject. |
| 13:31.20 | kd8ikt | but hey if he makes good sources with comments ;) we wont need the info he has |
| 13:31.23 | weatherhead | gta02v4, gta02v5 etc? |
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| 13:33.39 | Zorkman | Dave: reopen the ticked and post your info then |
| 13:33.50 | Zorkman | *ticket |
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| 13:35.16 | madjo | good afternoon |
| 13:36.25 | madjo | I just installed 2008.8 with the images found on the Openmoko wiki... my experience so far: No GPS (without SDcard), no GSM and no wifi. |
| 13:37.07 | zogs | madjo: welcome :D |
| 13:37.09 | kd8ikt | why thank you for the report there madjo |
| 13:37.22 | madjo | hi zogs |
| 13:37.31 | madjo | is that sarcasm? :) |
| 13:37.39 | zogs | ehehe |
| 13:38.27 | zogs | but on my neo with 2008 gsm work..just now |
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| 13:39.25 | madjo | It recognizes my sim... because upon starting the dialer, it asks for the PIN, but when I enter that... and try to call someone, it always gives me the message that I don't have service... |
| 13:39.45 | zogs | try to restart X |
| 13:39.59 | madjo | how often do you click the icon to get the dialer to start, btw? :) |
| 13:40.10 | madjo | I rebooted the device a few times. |
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| 13:48.37 | Dave | grawr |
| 13:49.02 | Dave | Zorkman, what's my info? Plus reopening the ticket would effectively throw the community back in my face. |
| 13:49.11 | Dave | I'd rather have people standing by :P |
| 13:49.24 | Dave | Who else is still experiencing this issue? Tdobson? |
| 13:49.37 | madjo | which issue is that? |
| 13:50.22 | spdr_ | anyone here use the 2007.02 as a phone ? |
| 13:50.35 | madjo | I'm inclined to start doing that, spdr_ |
| 13:50.56 | zogs | I..first , now I'm using 2008 (gsm work now on my neo) |
| 13:51.02 | Dave | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1244 |
| 13:51.05 | Dave | That bug :P |
| 13:51.14 | spdr_ | zogs, did u solve the call quality issues ? |
| 13:51.33 | spdr_ | didnt people complaint they hear themselves? |
| 13:51.36 | madjo | can't even make a connection :( |
| 13:51.39 | spdr_ | (echo) |
| 13:51.41 | madjo | with 2008.8 |
| 13:51.54 | spdr_ | same here madjo, thats why im back on 2007. |
| 13:51.59 | Dave | bitches at cjb |
| 13:52.09 | spdr_ | but there are some issues :( |
| 13:52.18 | madjo | "no phone call possible, sim not registered" or some such message |
| 13:52.24 | zogs | I don't have any problem |
| 13:52.39 | spdr_ | zogs, people dont hear themselves ? |
| 13:52.52 | zogs | madjo: restart -> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1765 |
| 13:52.54 | spdr_ | or perhaps they just dont complaint about it :) |
| 13:53.43 | madjo | but I rebooted the device already several times |
| 13:53.57 | madjo | isn't that enough? |
| 13:54.05 | spdr_ | madjo, i dont have that problem, my dialer just crashes, along with X |
| 13:54.27 | madjo | btw, the pin dialog does appear and it is recognized |
| 13:55.17 | Dave | haha hear themselves |
| 13:55.25 | Dave | Zorkman, boo you :p |
| 13:55.38 | lindi- | Dave: ? |
| 13:55.48 | Dave | lindi!? |
| 13:56.48 | Blalien | I can't use opkg in 2008.8, is that correct? I het the following message: "* Could not obtain administrative lock" |
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| 13:57.50 | lindi- | Blalien: http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22Could%20not%20obtain%20administrative%20lock%22&meta= |
| 13:58.33 | matholio | Blalien: do you have an existing opkg process running ? |
| 13:59.15 | Dave | throws his freerunner at alphaone |
| 13:59.40 | alphaone | Dave: Thanks, I'm still lacking an MP freerunner :-) |
| 13:59.50 | Dave | bah :p |
| 13:59.52 | Dave | fix it please :) |
| 14:00.03 | alphaone | err, what? |
| 14:00.08 | Dave | heehee |
| 14:00.14 | Blalien | matholio: As far as I know, I don't have an running opkg process. |
| 14:00.15 | Dave | The landscape orientation :D |
| 14:00.29 | Dave | The patch had no visible effect on my GTK freerunner :[ |
| 14:00.35 | alphaone | Dave: it is fixed in latest glamo commit |
| 14:00.39 | Dave | I've tried a number of solutions as well. |
| 14:00.46 | Dave | Yeah fixed, for some! |
| 14:00.50 | alphaone | hmm |
| 14:00.58 | Dave | Not for everyone it would seem! |
| 14:00.58 | Dave | I'm not alone on this either :p |
| 14:01.00 | lindi- | Dave: i think we need to figure out how you can run gdb |
| 14:01.16 | Dave | I would be glad to! |
| 14:01.25 | lindi- | i would like to run it too :) |
| 14:01.26 | Dave | Then I can dump my data and throw it at you! |
| 14:01.31 | Dave | :] |
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| 14:01.42 | lindi- | no no, then you can learn to do some debugging too :) |
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| 14:01.55 | Dave | haha, I can debug, but glamo just scares me :) |
| 14:01.57 | pjz | cheers that mwester got his patches broken up and submitted |
| 14:02.07 | Dave | I'd need someone to hold my hand, or else I'd run away screaming. |
| 14:02.11 | alphaone | Dave: what is your xserver-kdrive-glamo version? |
| 14:02.15 | Dave | pjz, yeah that was sweet :) |
| 14:03.04 | Dave | alphaone: 1.3.0.0+gita51364e2f23d4b6331c5ed613ce3f7e15f8e540f-r6 |
| 14:03.08 | lindi- | my debugging ideas: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-August/000955.html |
| 14:03.53 | madjo | how can I check the gsm status from the command line? |
| 14:04.40 | Dave | Lindi, cool :) |
| 14:05.04 | Dave | I'd have to set that up... crud |
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| 14:05.59 | alphaone | Dave: try installing this manually: |
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| 14:06.23 | alphaone | http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/ipk/armv4t/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+gitr4147f80c0bfedaff7749bccbd1e1d566dee0e04c-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 14:07.05 | alphaone | Dave: the gita51...0f-r6 thing is way old |
| 14:07.11 | alphaone | And does not include that patch |
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| 14:07.59 | alphaone | Dave: I believe OE is being picky there because the xglamo packages aren't using the gitr<n>-<hash> scheme correctly |
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| 14:08.28 | Zero_Dogg | my freerunner (running default firmware) appears to not want to recieve SMS. Sending SMS, sending/recieveing calls work, but no SMSes arrive. Any clue what might be wrong or where to start checking for errors? |
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| 14:10.37 | te_acrid | i'm on the new 2008 image. but i fail to get DNS working... i set /etc/resolv.conf to a correct value. any ideas? used to work with older images... |
| 14:10.43 | zogs | madjo: for 2008 and gsm try to restart X with /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart and pin-dialog appear |
| 14:11.03 | madjo | the pin-dialog did appear |
| 14:11.10 | madjo | and it accepted the pin I entered |
| 14:11.13 | madjo | but then nothing happens |
| 14:11.13 | ajbrun | hey all. I'm having the same problem as this guy - http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td681714 |
| 14:11.16 | ajbrun | any suggestions |
| 14:11.17 | ajbrun | ? |
| 14:11.23 | spdr__ | okay, last time i try this ... WiFi on 2007.02, anybody? :((( |
| 14:11.27 | madjo | It simply won't connect to the network |
| 14:11.30 | ajbrun | lol |
| 14:11.33 | zogs | if I want restart X on my moko-terminal? |
| 14:11.35 | ajbrun | same question spdr_ |
| 14:11.50 | madjo | wifi under 2007.2 worked for me, spdr_ |
| 14:11.51 | ajbrun | except i'm on 2008.8 |
| 14:12.01 | ajbrun | same for me, but not on 2008.8 |
| 14:12.12 | spdr__ | ajbrun, big diff |
| 14:12.25 | ajbrun | well actually, it could see it, but i couldn't get it to actually connect |
| 14:12.49 | spdr__ | on 2008 i didnt find any networks, on 2007 i just cant connect :\ |
| 14:12.58 | ajbrun | then yes |
| 14:13.02 | ajbrun | same as me exactly |
| 14:13.19 | spdr__ | on qtopia on the other hand, i can connect and get an ip from dhcp |
| 14:13.27 | spdr__ | but qtopia has no browser |
| 14:13.36 | spdr__ | kind of a big joke :0 |
| 14:14.10 | spdr__ | i wish it atleast had lynx :P |
| 14:15.07 | spdr__ | ajbrun, what softwares did u try for wifi on 2007 ? |
| 14:15.09 | malik1972 | spdr__ wifi on qtopia with wpa2? |
| 14:15.22 | madjo | how do I backspace on that keyboard? |
| 14:15.23 | ajbrun | ping |
| 14:15.27 | ajbrun | no |
| 14:15.30 | ajbrun | not that |
| 14:15.35 | spdr__ | malik1972, nope :\ i actually turned my encryption off in hope 2007 could deal with it |
| 14:15.35 | ajbrun | because i'd be connected anyway |
| 14:15.39 | ajbrun | via usb |
| 14:15.48 | ajbrun | honestly can't remember |
| 14:15.57 | ajbrun | i think i tried to ping it from my pc |
| 14:15.59 | zogs | madjo: right -> left or left right on virtual keyboard |
| 14:16.08 | spdr__ | wifi-radar, mofi, |
| 14:16.13 | madjo | no such luck for me |
| 14:16.14 | ajbrun | and it wasn't showing up on my router |
| 14:16.20 | ajbrun | so i didn't think it was connected |
| 14:16.33 | spdr__ | lint-wifi ? |
| 14:16.43 | madjo | btw, still no network... even after I restarted X (but I did get the pin screen, but I always got that screen) |
| 14:16.53 | ajbrun | i had problems installing a few packages |
| 14:16.55 | malik1972 | i lost my partition table again on the sdhc card, this s... |
| 14:16.56 | ajbrun | so no |
| 14:17.01 | zogs | wowo...now my om2008.8 work fine :D |
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| 14:17.13 | ajbrun | but i'm sure it wasn't connected as it wasn't showing up on devices connected to my router |
| 14:17.13 | spdr_ | zogs, describe fine? :) |
| 14:17.27 | ajbrun | and what did you use to connect zogs ? |
| 14:17.40 | Bubbi | could someone help me using dfu-util to flash the neo..? I don't think that the wiki describes it all that good.. |
| 14:18.01 | ajbrun | Bubbi |
| 14:18.04 | ajbrun | sudo dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D ~/Desktop/Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 14:18.12 | ajbrun | sudo dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ~/Desktop/Om2008.8.uImage.bin |
| 14:18.19 | ajbrun | those seem to work for me |
| 14:18.26 | spdr_ | Bubbi, describes it good, boot into nand (hold the aux while holding the power to power on) |
| 14:18.31 | spdr_ | and do what he just said :) |
| 14:18.53 | Bubbi | spdr_: Shouldn't it be NOR..? the wiki says NOR... |
| 14:19.00 | spdr_ | Nor |
| 14:19.01 | spdr_ | yeah |
| 14:19.06 | spdr_ | i always mix them :S |
| 14:19.16 | peter-b | can anyone reach openembedded.org ? |
| 14:19.20 | spdr_ | dont think it really matters, but some here say its safer |
| 14:19.25 | madjo | hold the AUX button, and then press the power button |
| 14:19.37 | Bubbi | ajbrun: Thank you. It's just that the wiki says "dfu-util -a altsetting -R -D file_name" and the altsetting doesn't really tell me much.. |
| 14:19.48 | Bubbi | but I can just write rootfs and kernel.. great |
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| 14:19.53 | ajbrun | alternate setting |
| 14:20.00 | ajbrun | :) |
| 14:20.09 | spdr_ | Bubbi, if you scroll a bit down ... |
| 14:20.33 | Bubbi | ah, you have to read it all too..? :D |
| 14:20.54 | Bubbi | well, I did, but it's always good to get some help, when you are really new to this thing.. |
| 14:21.00 | madjo | hmmm, how do I set OM2008.8 in landscape mode? |
| 14:21.08 | Bubbi | but thanks guys |
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| 14:25.15 | dsl2674 | hello |
| 14:25.24 | madjo | hi dsl2674 |
| 14:25.31 | dsl2674 | is it possible to flash the 2008.8 on the neo1973? |
| 14:26.25 | Dave | alphaone, hrm, okay :) |
| 14:26.41 | alphaone | Dave: works? |
| 14:26.41 | dsl2674 | ?? |
| 14:26.42 | madjo | someone here said that it worked for hir... :) |
| 14:26.49 | Dave | Well, it's installing :) |
| 14:27.00 | madjo | dsl2674, someone here said that it worked... but I don't have a Neo1973 |
| 14:27.05 | Dave | I should just be able to restartx, correct? |
| 14:27.35 | dsl2674 | ok, thanksrco|, |
| 14:28.16 | dsl2674 | i think i just wait a week and then i hofe i can found something in the wiki |
| 14:28.37 | dsl2674 | thanks for help.. byebye |
| 14:28.46 | Dave | oh yeah, who's the commie-nazi who's in charge of the apps maintaining for gtk? :p |
| 14:29.24 | Dave | I also have to replace the sound scheme |
| 14:29.26 | madjo | huh... 2008.8 doesn't have iface? |
| 14:29.33 | Ainulindale | I don't think there is Dave. |
| 14:29.59 | Dave | Hmm, okay |
| 14:30.06 | Dave | Ainulindale, actually, it's rather funny |
| 14:30.16 | Ainulindale | "haha" then |
| 14:30.19 | Dave | At first the pointer tap click sound was just a nuisance |
| 14:30.20 | Bubbi | ajbrun, spdr_: What if I can't really get the dfu-util to work..? the wiki suggests to write 'dfu-util -l', but when I do that, it just responds "Command not found". I've shut the neo down, disconnected the cable, turned it on in NOR flash and inserted the USB cable and wrote the dfu-util command |
| 14:30.23 | Dave | but now it's actually a bug |
| 14:30.24 | Dave | haha |
| 14:30.40 | Dave | I'll be glad to submit a complaint or better yet a fix, later today :) |
| 14:30.46 | spdr_ | lol |
| 14:30.53 | spdr_ | Bubbi, did u install dfu-util ? |
| 14:31.00 | Dave | oh, there's another bug |
| 14:31.05 | spdr_ | what linux distro are you running ? |
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| 14:31.56 | Bubbi | spdr_: I'm using ubuntu. I've successfully used it earlier, but well. it's some time ago and I don't know exactly how to use it.. :) |
| 14:32.19 | Bubbi | I've used it before to flash the neo, but I can't remember what to do exactly |
| 14:32.32 | Dave | alphaone, thanks, that fixed it, but there appears to be a bug --> when coming out of locked screen (not sleep), it turns the screen back to portrait mode, this is presumably done because the lock application (screensaver) requires a portrait display (but afterwards I would think it should restore state) |
| 14:32.43 | Dave | or at least force the screensaver into landscape mode :D |
| 14:32.51 | Dave | omg |
| 14:33.15 | Dave | alphaone, the glamo patch you provided for me DID work, however now, after screensaver, it's back to it's old tricks... :( |
| 14:33.24 | alphaone | Dave: okay, better report that then |
| 14:33.26 | alphaone | hmm |
| 14:33.29 | Dave | fuck |
| 14:33.43 | spdr_ | Bubbi, notice the private message |
| 14:33.45 | Dave | oh god |
| 14:33.48 | alphaone | Dave: Try issuing xrandr -o 0 manually |
| 14:33.55 | madjo | ok, I can get wifi to work under 2008.8 (just not via the gui) |
| 14:34.21 | Dave | alphaone, when it's messed up? |
| 14:34.43 | alphaone | yeah |
| 14:34.45 | spdr_ | madjo, mind writing a bash script for that? :P |
| 14:34.54 | alphaone | That usually fixed things for me |
| 14:35.01 | madjo | well it's just for my own network... which is unprotected |
| 14:35.06 | Dave | because after the screensaver screen it became miscalibrated again; I then swapped orientations twice, returned to the home screen, then back to my app, and it worked properly again |
| 14:35.22 | spdr_ | madjo, works for me heh |
| 14:35.26 | Dave | I'm waiting for it to screensaver (lock) again so I can repeat the behavior :) |
| 14:35.33 | spdr_ | i turned my encryption off too :( |
| 14:35.54 | madjo | but I entered something like this: ifconfig eth0 up |
| 14:35.54 | madjo | iwconfig eth0 essid any |
| 14:35.54 | madjo | iwconfig eth0 key '...' |
| 14:35.54 | madjo | iwconfig eth0 essid '...' |
| 14:35.54 | madjo | udhcpc eth0 |
| 14:35.55 | madjo | ifconfig usb0 down; ifconfig usb0 up |
| 14:36.08 | Dave | ifconfig madj0 down |
| 14:36.24 | Blalien | what is the best GPS navigation software at the moment? |
| 14:36.28 | madjo | though I omitted the second and third line :) |
| 14:36.34 | Dave | tangoGPS |
| 14:36.48 | Dave | Blalien - www.tangogps.org |
| 14:37.03 | Blalien | Dave: Then I will be giving that a try. Thanks. |
| 14:37.06 | Dave | haha, alphaone, it's pretty bad |
| 14:37.27 | spdr_ | thanks madjo, ill try it myself, once i reflash om2008 to my SD |
| 14:37.41 | madjo | anyone know of a terminal application for the 2008.8? |
| 14:37.42 | madjo | :) |
| 14:38.15 | madjo | (btw, spdr_ that's for WEP or lower) :) |
| 14:38.17 | Dave | alphaone, both x AND y coordinates appear to be messed up after unlocking the screensver |
| 14:38.37 | Dave | I did xrandr -o 0, which fixed the X coordinate, but Y is still off |
| 14:38.39 | spdr_ | wep is just like nothing |
| 14:38.48 | spdr_ | besides the 3 min crack time :p |
| 14:38.56 | Dave | at least when in both orientations :( |
| 14:39.01 | Dave | gah |
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| 14:39.12 | madjo | that's why mine is unprotected, but unlisted |
| 14:39.24 | madjo | I have a DS that I sometimes use to game over the internet |
| 14:39.29 | madjo | and the DS can't handle WPA |
| 14:39.46 | Dave | closing the application I was using swapping orientations and relaunching seems to fix the problem however :( |
| 14:39.51 | madjo | :) |
| 14:40.00 | Dave | Something must be messing up when the screensaver comes out of itself o_O |
| 14:40.04 | madjo | how do you swap orientation? dave |
| 14:40.35 | Dave | oh my god |
| 14:41.01 | Dave | alphaone, when in landscape mode, in an app, if I open the power menu, after dismissing it, the entire pointer calibration is thrown off |
| 14:41.07 | Dave | rips his hair out |
| 14:43.16 | alphaone | Dave: I only tried xrandr with fso-image... |
| 14:44.16 | Dave | oh |
| 14:44.25 | Dave | well, it seems to have fun in GTK ~_~ |
| 14:44.51 | Dave | It seems to work, but any subsequent menu action seems to break all the nicities that were perfected by it. |
| 14:45.15 | Dave | although when I did it, it fixed my X coord, but then after swapping from L to P, it messed up my Y coordinate :D |
| 14:45.39 | alphaone | strange |
| 14:45.43 | Dave | yeah, it is |
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| 14:45.56 | spdr_ | huh? gdb comes default with om2007.02 ?? |
| 14:45.57 | Dave | It is not only disturbing but exceedingly frustrating as well :( |
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| 14:51.37 | madjo | where are the icons on the main screen stored in 2008.8? |
| 14:52.18 | madjo | actually the .desktop files I mean |
| 14:54.45 | malik1972 | does tangogps have a config file, the kbd in 2008.8 gets me crazy... |
| 14:58.27 | Dave | oh wow |
| 14:58.40 | Dave | I just found a decent second use for the freerunner - hah! |
| 14:58.52 | madjo | which is that? |
| 14:58.53 | Dave | It's pitiful in its design but fairly effective :) |
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| 14:59.09 | Dave | Well, it'd make a decent small [digital] music box. |
| 14:59.19 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 14:59.20 | Dave | because sound reverberates through it rather well |
| 14:59.29 | Dave | So it sucks for real sound production |
| 14:59.55 | Dave | but for say, a nice piece played by a music box in it on a fairly normal sound level when set on a table, sounds pretty good :P |
| 14:59.58 | Dave | haha |
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| 15:02.53 | peter-b | anyone using fso? |
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| 15:04.21 | Zero_Dogg | my freerunner (running default firmware) appears to not want to recieve SMS. Sending SMS, sending/recieveing calls work, but no SMSes arrive. Any clue what might be wrong or where to start checking for errors? |
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| 15:07.30 | spdr_ | hmmm |
| 15:07.35 | spdr_ | whats the name of the other keyboard ? |
| 15:07.40 | spdr_ | the one with / and stuff ? |
| 15:07.46 | spdr_ | for om2007.02 that is |
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| 15:12.18 | dns53 | is anyone using the agps perl script> |
| 15:12.41 | spydon | spdr_, matchbox-keyboard I think |
| 15:13.19 | spdr_ | yeah i think thats it, thanks |
| 15:13.39 | Nanotron | hello |
| 15:14.15 | Nanotron | Do you think it is possible that the OpenMoko team could use the N-trig Touchscreen for the next Neo |
| 15:18.26 | Zorkman | better ask them :) |
| 15:18.38 | Zorkman | you can always suggest it on the hardware mailing list |
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| 15:24.13 | Nanotron | ok, then i post it there |
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| 15:27.13 | Zorkman | Nanotron: maybe you also want to ask it to these people: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoForesight |
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| 15:29.47 | Nanotron | are these the people who test the hardware ? |
| 15:29.57 | Zorkman | *future hardware |
| 15:30.15 | Zorkman | but hardware list will be most usefull; they probably read that list anyway |
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| 15:30.56 | Nanotron | have you the link to the hardware list? |
| 15:33.36 | Zorkman | Nanotron: http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/hardware |
| 15:34.28 | Nanotron | thx |
| 15:34.39 | Zorkman | np |
| 15:35.04 | Zero_Dogg | how exactly does the trick of switching batteries while the freerunner is running work? Whenever I remove the battery the freerunner dies, even though the power is connected |
| 15:36.30 | TeNoVi | Hi! Is there an application to change how many mA the Freerunner is charging at? If not, is there a "how to" on the wiki for changing this? |
| 15:37.40 | Zorkman | TeNoVi: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=297&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=battery&start=15#p3525 |
| 15:38.59 | TeNoVi | Thanks :D |
| 15:39.11 | mmontour | Zero_Dogg: I think it would work if you turned off GSM and disabled charging (don't know if there's software support for this at the moment) |
| 15:40.14 | Zero_Dogg | mmontour: hrm, the problem is that this is the way the wiki tells me to do it and the battery died even though the charger was in |
| 15:41.13 | Bubbi | After installing the 2008.8 image, I can't connect via USB without getting a.. discreet warning.. "WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!".. How do I fix that..? It says something about some changes to a "known_hosts" file, but i'm not entirely sure what to do.. |
| 15:42.02 | stevenSn | bubbi: It should say a line in the known hosts file, go into ~/.ssh/known_hosts and delete the line of that number |
| 15:42.04 | Bubbi | Should I just delete whatever is in the known_hosts file..? |
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| 15:42.15 | Bubbi | stevenSn: oh okay :) |
| 15:43.03 | mmontour | The Wiki of a Million Lies claims another victim. There is some issue with the PMU shutting down when charging is enabled but no battery is present (from the mailing lists, but I don't have a link) |
| 15:43.30 | Bubbi | stevenSn: thank you, that worked nicely |
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| 15:46.37 | Dave | Is there a way to force the keyboard to come up, from the command line? |
| 15:49.29 | Xilent | hi all, i'm searching for an new fs and klernel image. On the site http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories there is only OM2007.2 listed, on the site http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/ there is release OM2008.8. what should i take? |
| 15:50.08 | dbmoodb_ | 2007.2 |
| 15:51.03 | Xilent | dbmoodb_: can you explain it to me in a short sentence? |
| 15:51.16 | dbmoodb_ | 22its older |
| 15:51.25 | dbmoodb_ | you will probably perfer it atm |
| 15:51.34 | stevenSn | Xilent: 2007.2 is essentially what shipped with the phone with some upgrades. 2008.8 is based on Qtopia |
| 15:52.26 | mmontour | Om2008.8 was released yesterday. It has shiny new bugs, vs. the boring old bugs in 2007.2. Take your pick. |
| 15:53.25 | Xilent | that's a confusing naming strategy |
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| 15:55.59 | Pjj | I just received my free runner :D, but somehow it doesn't register to my mobile network |
| 15:56.14 | te_acrid | edit ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
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| 15:58.36 | te_acrid | I'm running FSO milestone 2. when im trying to run opkg upgrade, i receive a seg fault while downloading alsa. any hints? |
| 15:58.44 | Blalien | is there a way to add a file with commands to the home menu? |
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| 15:59.44 | Dave | grawr |
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| 16:01.07 | Pjj | anyone any idea why the free runner can't register to my mobile network? |
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| 16:06.41 | Zero_Dogg | can the kernel image be upgraded without upgrading the entire software stack? |
| 16:07.14 | zash | Zero_Dogg: i think there is would be a problem with kenel modules |
| 16:07.41 | Zero_Dogg | I figured that might be a problem too |
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| 16:10.53 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mail 07framework * rd3b19b6dc1a6 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Convert ntype to int in SimRetrieveEntry like in SimRetrievePhonebook |
| 16:12.26 | zash | Zero_Dogg: if there was a way to update the modules too |
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| 16:13.31 | zash | like, install updated modules, reflash kernel |
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| 16:18.36 | Pjj | using a vodafone SIM card (europe), it's not 3G afaik, and says 'registering' for more then 15 minutes now |
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| 16:21.04 | cga | hi all. |
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| 16:22.09 | cga | yesterday while i was trying to flash the free runner , dfu-util found 2 devices. long story short: i fucked up the bluetooth mouse with it. is there a way to repair it? like flashing it with its "image"? |
| 16:23.30 | mmontour | cga: in theory, if you can find the image (download a firmware update from the manufacturer, or maybe find someone with the same model who can dfu-util -U a copy of the image) |
| 16:23.55 | cga | mmontour, hi =) i try to find the firmware then =) |
| 16:23.55 | Blastur | haha, you managed to flash your mouse with freerunner firmware, by mistake?! |
| 16:24.30 | russellb | can you make phone calls with your mouse now/ |
| 16:24.31 | russellb | ? |
| 16:24.35 | cga | Blastur, not exactely.. i issued the dfu-util -a to backup the kernel on that device and it fucked it |
| 16:24.40 | cga | lol russellb |
| 16:24.45 | Blastur | that'd be way cool |
| 16:24.57 | russellb | next, flash your freerunner with the mouse firmware |
| 16:25.01 | cga | lol |
| 16:25.13 | Blastur | though, i think not even freerunner can place a call yet.. right? :) |
| 16:25.14 | cga | ok so i can use it as mouse remote controller |
| 16:25.28 | russellb | Blastur: zing |
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| 16:29.13 | cjb | hm, how do I power down wifi again? (on FSO) |
| 16:30.40 | tdobson | haha. unlucky cga. |
| 16:30.45 | spdr_ | how do i get rid of the keyboard in minimo? :0 |
| 16:31.04 | tdobson | Pjj: what country are you? I know a little about mobile networks and the freerunner and stuff |
| 16:31.12 | cga | tdobson, i would say stupid instead |
| 16:31.20 | Xilent | cat /etc/version is 200804240820 |
| 16:31.26 | Pjj | I'm from the netherlands tdobson |
| 16:31.39 | tdobson | cga: well. it's something I would do :P it mademe smile though so :) |
| 16:31.54 | cga | tdobson, eh =) |
| 16:31.59 | tdobson | Pjj: I'm from britain and I'm also having problems |
| 16:32.23 | tdobson | Pjj: this is what I would do to try and find out what is going wrong: |
| 16:32.54 | tdobson | 1) reboot. |
| 16:32.54 | tdobson | login via ssh as soon as you can (by usb) |
| 16:32.57 | cjb | hrr, can't work out how to turn off wifi :/ |
| 16:33.21 | tdobson | 3) run "libgsmd-tool -m atcmd" |
| 16:33.28 | tdobson | and then leave it a while |
| 16:33.34 | Pjj | ok |
| 16:33.52 | tdobson | it seems to print out any errors the gsm stuff encounters |
| 16:34.05 | tdobson | it may be helpful |
| 16:34.14 | Xilent | many links from the wiki don't work anymore, but i'm too new to freerunner to find the correct new locations |
| 16:34.40 | tdobson | Xilent: what are you looking for? what doesn't work ? :) |
| 16:35.38 | tdobson | spdr_: I haven't found any way to get rid of the keyboard in minimo. if you find a way, I'd love to know :) |
| 16:35.43 | Pjj | charging my freerunner atm (no idea how to see when it's fully charged though) after it I'll figure out how to connect by SSH and see if those messages can get me any further tdobson :), thanks for replying btw, it was rather silent here with a pretty important question with so many people around :p |
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| 16:36.21 | Xilent | my freerunner arrived today, and i'm looking for new images, , my version is 200804240820, and my calendar is not working |
| 16:37.31 | tdobson | Pjj: it only affects a few people and it's quite unusual. if you want any help with connecting via ssh just say so, but I think that is the best help I can give. good luck ! :) |
| 16:37.41 | Xilent | by the way, in the terminal i can't make an / |
| 16:38.04 | Pjj | thanks tdobson :) |
| 16:38.29 | tdobson | Xilent: ah yes the terminal thing is a problem, when you get updated it will be solved I think (I think press 0 a few times) solves it now?) |
| 16:38.40 | tdobson | Xilent: anyway. images. one minute :) |
| 16:38.44 | tdobson | Pjj: np |
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| 16:40.14 | tdobson | Xilent: this was the file system image I used to flash my freerunner with when I flashed it this morning http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080808-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 16:40.59 | tdobson | Xilent: and this is the kernel image :http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/uImage-2.6.24+git31+241f69c55ee8f5dd067ebd2d51aa9fdedb212759-r2-om-gta02.bin |
| 16:41.17 | tdobson | you can find out more about flashing the neo here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 16:41.28 | tdobson | Xilent: but are you *sure* you want to flash it? |
| 16:42.01 | xhrit | my neo just ate my 4gb sd card. |
| 16:42.08 | tdobson | my personal advice would be to get an internet connection and then install the updates for your current image http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 16:42.08 | xhrit | stupid ext2. |
| 16:42.14 | dbmoodb_ | xhrit: yeah happened to me too |
| 16:42.15 | tdobson | xhrit: tasty :P |
| 16:42.20 | xhrit | lame. |
| 16:42.31 | xhrit | how do i fix it? i have never used ext2. |
| 16:42.45 | tdobson | isn't sure |
| 16:42.49 | xhrit | ext2 = old. reiserfs is killer tho. |
| 16:42.54 | xhrit | ;) |
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| 16:43.09 | theocrite | s/fs// |
| 16:43.22 | tdobson | lol |
| 16:44.17 | Xilent | tdobson: why no't it's fresh and empty |
| 16:44.17 | Xilent | tdobson: thx for the links |
| 16:44.35 | xhrit | that is going to be a show stopper if everytime i suspend i have to reformat my sd card. |
| 16:45.37 | tdobson | Xilent: this is what I used to setup my freerunner this morning - http://dpaste.com/70369/ - it's a short script I wrote that installs a load of useful stuff... it's not my fault if it breaks your neo or OS or anything, and there are several things which it doesn't do but it may be a bit helpful... :) |
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| 16:49.16 | tdobson | Pjj: this is what I get when I test the freerunner with different sim cards: http://dpaste.com/70370/ # I'm testing it with lots of sim cards to find out what errors are "normal".... |
| 16:49.39 | Pjj | ok |
| 16:49.46 | Pjj | hm my free runner doesn't seem to boot :S |
| 16:49.56 | dbmoodb_ | Pjj: try again |
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| 16:50.06 | Pjj | I did |
| 16:50.14 | Pjj | I mean it doesn't start up |
| 16:50.22 | dbmoodb_ | take the battery out |
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| 16:51.10 | dbmoodb_ | wait 10 then try again -- plug it in as wel |
| 16:51.10 | Pjj | hm I did that, but did it again, this time it worked :) |
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| 16:51.30 | Pjj | thx good tip ;) |
| 16:53.30 | xhrit | ... |
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| 16:59.46 | xhrit | tdobson: you never managed to fix your card? |
| 17:01.13 | tdobson | xhrit: sim card? |
| 17:01.38 | xhrit | sd memory card. |
| 17:01.45 | tdobson | has no issues with micro sd cards :/ |
| 17:01.53 | xhrit | oh. |
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| 17:02.09 | tdobson | sorry :( |
| 17:02.09 | xhrit | well that is what i am having issues with. |
| 17:02.30 | tdobson | I know. the only thin I'm having problems with is my sim card :( |
| 17:02.47 | xhrit | oh. |
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| 17:03.09 | xhrit | look at the back ov teh sim card and tell me if the chip is centered or offset. |
| 17:03.32 | linuxxr | pjj u have at&t? |
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| 17:03.55 | linuxxr | lol |
| 17:04.00 | tdobson | linuxxr: he has vodafone europe (netherlands) |
| 17:04.01 | linuxxr | thats right |
| 17:04.01 | xhrit | and if it is offset, tell me if the metal clips that hold the sim in place are touching teh chip and shorting it out. |
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| 17:04.06 | linuxxr | oo |
| 17:04.22 | linuxxr | thats right too |
| 17:04.23 | tdobson | xhrit: 1 min |
| 17:04.37 | Bish | man, that keyboard is fuking fast ( if youre english ).. |
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| 17:04.55 | Bish | but i want the qwerty button on top-left back and the terminal keyboard |
| 17:05.02 | Bish | but i like that.. t9 qwerty thing |
| 17:05.24 | linuxxr | leave the sim in ancheck the tab grounding the contact on the sim |
| 17:06.24 | linuxxr | with the latch open |
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| 17:10.11 | tdobson | I think it is making contact |
| 17:11.34 | tdobson | xhrit: it could be a metal clip touching the chip |
| 17:11.50 | linuxxr | thetab is tuoching the sim contact? |
| 17:12.09 | tdobson | 1 min - photo |
| 17:12.38 | linuxxr | xkrit? |
| 17:12.50 | xhrit | ?? |
| 17:12.52 | xmpp | the known issues on the 2008.8 wiki page seem so discouraging |
| 17:12.52 | Xilent | what is the max size for the microsd |
| 17:12.55 | xhrit | linuxxr: yeah |
| 17:13.17 | linuxxr | get a different sim dont try to tape it either |
| 17:13.23 | xhrit | i log in as xhr17 from my workstation |
| 17:13.32 | linuxxr | oo |
| 17:13.41 | linuxxr | ok |
| 17:13.47 | linuxxr | i remember |
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| 17:14.37 | linuxxr | the contacts need to be nearly centered on the paoer |
| 17:14.43 | linuxxr | paper |
| 17:15.05 | ieatlint | Xilent: there is no max size limit on the FR ... however, largest cards available are 8gb at the moment |
| 17:15.20 | ieatlint | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.24 | dbmoodb_ | ieatlint: you could nfs / other |
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| 17:15.40 | ieatlint | ? |
| 17:16.23 | ieatlint | one could set up nfs, yeah... but i'd regard it as quite unreliable... at a minimum, you'd want to run it with tcp |
| 17:16.40 | ieatlint | but you're better off with something that has real security and works on a distributed basis... like AFS |
| 17:16.42 | xkr47 | linuxxr, heh you misspelled xhrit's nick ;) |
| 17:16.49 | xkr47 | .. hilighting me instead ^^ |
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| 17:17.07 | linuxxr | me soorryy |
| 17:17.34 | Bish | where is the qwerty button hidden in 2008.8 ? |
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| 17:18.15 | zash | Bish: is that the one they removed and everyone made a fuss about? |
| 17:18.32 | SirBob1701 | zash: yup |
| 17:18.37 | tdobson | linuxxr xhrit: http://files.tdobson.net/P8060001.JPG http://files.tdobson.net/P8060002.JPG http://files.tdobson.net/P8060003.JPG |
| 17:18.54 | tdobson | do you think that contact is making a difference |
| 17:18.56 | SirBob1701 | looks like there is a package to install an alternate edj so you can have qwerty button. haven't tried it yet though |
| 17:18.57 | Bish | :DD |
| 17:19.25 | Bish | i really like the new keyboard, its great for fast typing smes, without worriing, if u hit the right point |
| 17:19.26 | SirBob1701 | are steps online on how to make a map package for diversity? i'm going on a trip and want to preload maps |
| 17:19.37 | Bish | but why the fuc they removed the terminal keyboard |
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| 17:21.27 | SirBob1701 | Bish: flick your finger up or down on the keyboard to get the symbols and numbers |
| 17:21.47 | Bish | yeah i know, but i want a keyboard without that.. t9-like thingy |
| 17:21.50 | SirBob1701 | it would be nicer if your going to type words letter by letter they shorten the recognition time |
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| 17:22.26 | Bish | SirBob1701: but this is slow and annoying |
| 17:22.39 | SirBob1701 | ya it needs work alot haha |
| 17:22.41 | Bish | SirBob1701: why can u have both.. this t9-like keyboard and the .. qwerty |
| 17:22.55 | ceda | hi. I'm having troubles with setting up iptables rules on the FreeRunner to enable my laptop to use the GPRS connection |
| 17:22.59 | Bish | and why the f. did they remove the qwerty button :P |
| 17:23.01 | SirBob1701 | Bish: try installing the alternate edj via assassin. i think it has the other keyboard |
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| 17:23.11 | Bish | SirBob1701: really? |
| 17:23.13 | Bish | oh cool |
| 17:23.18 | ceda | there's no MASQUERADE target from what I can tell |
| 17:23.22 | SirBob1701 | i know for sure it has the qwerty button |
| 17:23.30 | ceda | and SNAT didn't really work :P |
| 17:23.35 | SirBob1701 | Bish: let me know if it messes up the ui alot haha |
| 17:23.40 | Bish | :D |
| 17:23.50 | Bish | do u mean .. illume-config ? SirBob1701 ? |
| 17:24.11 | stevenSn | installing illume-config was pretty painless, and gave back the keyboard button |
| 17:24.15 | SirBob1701 | Bish: yup |
| 17:24.28 | SirBob1701 | does anyone know if there is a site for diversity. |
| 17:24.42 | SirBob1701 | ? i want to make a map package and maybe write an app to make it easy for people to do so |
| 17:24.44 | dbmoodb_ | does any one actualy know what it does |
| 17:25.16 | Bish | SirBob1701: the only bad thing about 2008.8.. is that they removed the best things.. but nobody knows why |
| 17:25.39 | SirBob1701 | Bish: this sean guy seems to be a massive wanker is why i think |
| 17:25.41 | ceda | oh, must have been something else. It works now |
| 17:25.47 | linuxxr | i think somebody is JACKING AROUND with us |
| 17:26.10 | linuxxr | supressing things on purpose |
| 17:26.14 | SirBob1701 | they want to rewrite everything from scratch i think. but really thats not what happens in the real world. |
| 17:26.28 | tomboy64 | rofl |
| 17:26.43 | tomboy64 | SirBob1701: sean is the man who got openmoko up and running |
| 17:26.53 | linuxxr | it can be the only answer imho |
| 17:27.01 | ieatlint | diversity is written by the paid openmoko guys in taipei |
| 17:27.07 | linuxxr | byt im a noob |
| 17:27.32 | Bish | SirBob1701: :D |
| 17:27.43 | Bish | SirBob1701: how to use illume config oo? |
| 17:27.43 | SirBob1701 | tomboy64: did you read his ting on openmoko design? |
| 17:27.49 | dbmoodb_ | linuxxr: i agree with you sorry ... 2007.2 was so close to being useab;e and thenn... |
| 17:27.53 | SirBob1701 | Bish: it'll need a reboot |
| 17:28.02 | tomboy64 | he's a marketing guy |
| 17:28.05 | SirBob1701 | i was not fond of 2008.8 |
| 17:28.15 | tomboy64 | he knows less about design than i do :-P |
| 17:28.19 | Bish | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.21 | SirBob1701 | tomboy64: i hate marketing guys haha |
| 17:28.25 | tomboy64 | what exactly do you mean? |
| 17:28.39 | SirBob1701 | ? |
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| 17:28.52 | tomboy64 | 19:27| <SirBob1701> tomboy64: did you read his ting on openmoko design? |
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| 17:29.02 | SirBob1701 | tomboy64: hold on let me find it for you |
| 17:29.07 | tomboy64 | what exactly do you mean? i don't follow much of his writings |
| 17:29.07 | Bish | booting with. boots.. ha .. ha.. this joke gets annoying after watching it 1293293 times booting |
| 17:29.17 | linuxxr | im no marketing guy |
| 17:29.27 | dbmoodb_ | i am :_ |
| 17:29.32 | CVirus | linuxxr == sean ? |
| 17:29.42 | linuxxr | nope |
| 17:29.57 | CVirus | oh ok |
| 17:29.59 | Bish | SirBob1701: what about this "sean" |
| 17:30.15 | linuxxr | im just a linux noob from arkansas |
| 17:30.22 | dbmoodb_ | this isn't our scene |
| 17:30.23 | SirBob1701 | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2008-July/000022.html |
| 17:30.51 | Bish | holy shiat |
| 17:31.10 | Bish | oh thanks SirBob1701 |
| 17:31.20 | tdobson | anyone know where I can get a lint-wifi pkg? |
| 17:31.22 | SirBob1701 | Bish: you get that new edj working? |
| 17:31.53 | Bish | new edj? |
| 17:31.57 | Bish | i just installet illume config |
| 17:32.00 | Bish | seems to be working |
| 17:32.07 | Bish | qwerty button is back |
| 17:32.12 | Bish | but still shitty keyboards , there :D |
| 17:32.34 | Bish | taskmanager, what the. f |
| 17:32.36 | SirBob1701 | Bish: that package installed a new .edj file which is an illume interface file |
| 17:32.37 | SirBob1701 | err |
| 17:32.43 | SirBob1701 | "Theme" file haha |
| 17:32.51 | Bish | yeah sure, i do understand |
| 17:32.54 | linuxxr | i will use qtopia untill u guys get the polishing done |
| 17:33.00 | Bish | but keyboard is the same, uh? |
| 17:33.06 | linuxxr | on 2008.8 |
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| 17:33.24 | ConfidentiaL | how can I connect to another running terminal session on my comp? |
| 17:33.25 | dbmoodb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.34 | dbmoodb_ | they make possible. YEAH WHEN THEY LEARN SOME |
| 17:33.35 | Bish | SirBob1701: can u tell me where the wordlist is? |
| 17:33.52 | dbmoodb_ | :) |
| 17:34.00 | SirBob1701 | Bish: not right away gimme a minute to see if i can find out. I got stuff i want to add to it too actually |
| 17:34.13 | Bish | SirBob1701: the t9-like keyboard is great for sms'es , but its english, and im a german grammar nazi |
| 17:34.18 | Bish | SirBob1701: thanks man, very polite |
| 17:34.49 | dbmoodb_ | meh i take some of that back |
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| 17:35.43 | SirBob1701 | Bish: i think it might be /usr/share/dict/words |
| 17:35.50 | SirBob1701 | wanna help me see if it is ? haha |
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| 17:36.43 | Bish | SirBob1701: sure :) |
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| 17:38.14 | Pyrasi | so I installed openmoko-mediaplayer2 last night on my ASU build, and now i have the "audio disappearing on resume" problem I used to get on the 2007.2 build.....I assume this is because it installed pulse-audio. Does anyone know of a patch to fix this, or what packages I need to remove to get my sound on resume back? |
| 17:38.57 | tomboy64 | SirBob1701: i find this essay highly inspirating |
| 17:39.20 | Bish | SirBob1701: the words are not odered by .. useage? |
| 17:39.44 | SirBob1701 | Bish: looks like alphabetical lookup |
| 17:39.50 | Bish | haha funny. |
| 17:39.59 | SirBob1701 | tomboy64: guess i'm odd then haha |
| 17:40.21 | Bish | SirBob1701: that's great |
| 17:40.22 | tomboy64 | SirBob1701: but i agree it's different from anything what would be useful to a programmer. |
| 17:40.26 | Bish | now tell me, where do i get a german one :p |
| 17:40.31 | SirBob1701 | is there an easy way to de package opk's on a desktop without ipkg? |
| 17:40.45 | SirBob1701 | Bish: haha hmmm |
| 17:41.14 | Bish | SirBob1701: im already googlin it |
| 17:41.29 | malik1972 | its an ar archive |
| 17:41.31 | Bish | would be great, if it works, can type fast as hell if you know the qwerty keyboard better then yourself |
| 17:42.09 | malik1972 | you may try this: rename it to tgz and ... |
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| 17:43.50 | SirBob1701 | malik1972: thanks :) is there a specific way i have to compress files to make an opk? |
| 17:44.32 | SirBob1701 | i also gotta figure out the command line for it if i want to make an app to do this. (i cheated and used archive manager haha) |
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| 17:45.25 | Bish | SirBob1701: i replaced it with another wordlist :D |
| 17:45.31 | Bish | now the keboard stopped working :p |
| 17:45.34 | varikin | what is the expected battery life of the FR? |
| 17:45.42 | Bish | varikin: max. 12 h |
| 17:45.48 | Bish | running without suspend, and stuff |
| 17:45.54 | SirBob1701 | Bish: hahaha |
| 17:46.07 | varikin | so my 4-6 is low? |
| 17:46.38 | SirBob1701 | interesting word i added doesn't come up |
| 17:46.45 | Bish | varikin: .. not really, if youre playing with it all the time |
| 17:46.48 | Bish | had 3 h , sometimes :p |
| 17:47.02 | varikin | 4-6 with it sitting on my desk not doing anything |
| 17:47.26 | SirBob1701 | Bish: did you back it up? |
| 17:47.44 | Bish | SirBob1701: "words" was just a symlink |
| 17:48.12 | SirBob1701 | hmm i didn't notice that |
| 17:48.15 | SirBob1701 | whats it link to? |
| 17:48.18 | Bish | i chagned it to a german one, wrote Sauerkraut in it |
| 17:48.18 | Bish | now reboot, i think illume saved the english one |
| 17:48.36 | Bish | american-english, in same folder |
| 17:48.49 | SirBob1701 | i see |
| 17:48.50 | Bish | so, the dev's had thoughts about it |
| 17:49.02 | Bish | its a nice idea, but devs need the terminal keyboard, too |
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| 17:49.13 | tdobson | what's the package for gcc etc? |
| 17:49.14 | Bish | i really like that, i was thinking about a application working like this |
| 17:49.20 | Bish | tdobson: its named.. gcc |
| 17:49.28 | Bish | opkg install gcc gcc-symlinks |
| 17:49.28 | tdobson | build-essential? |
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| 17:49.41 | tdobson | ok. |
| 17:49.41 | Bish | thats how i solved the problem |
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| 17:50.06 | SirBob1701 | hmm still words i add don't show up |
| 17:50.19 | Bish | SirBob1701: maybe reboard, i dont htink illume is reloading it |
| 17:50.21 | Dave | la la la |
| 17:50.33 | SirBob1701 | ya i tried that |
| 17:50.34 | Bish | testing it right now |
| 17:51.02 | SirBob1701 | wtf is an .eet file? |
| 17:51.02 | Bish | haha, now the messages app isn working |
| 17:51.38 | Bish | dont know |
| 17:51.42 | Bish | maybe some kind of alienfile |
| 17:51.45 | ieatlint | i'm starting to think this phone isn't stable |
| 17:51.50 | SirBob1701 | its related to diversity |
| 17:52.25 | SirBob1701 | its an enlightenment file |
| 17:52.44 | Dave | What's new with you, Sir Bob? |
| 17:53.05 | Bish | SirBob1701: i still got the english one.. strange |
| 17:53.10 | SirBob1701 | Dave: ? |
| 17:55.39 | Bish | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Aug 10 17:40 words -> thegermanone |
| 17:55.43 | Bish | SirBob1701: .. this is strange |
| 17:55.57 | malik1972 | sirbob: diversity images are stored in an eet file |
| 17:56.19 | SirBob1701 | malik1972: ya i'm trying to figure out the structure of the .eet so i can make on one my desktop and load it into the phone. |
| 17:56.23 | malik1972 | sirbob: concerning the opkg/ipkg thing: there should be skripts doing the job for you |
| 17:56.26 | SirBob1701 | malik1972: is there a way to open it? |
| 17:56.40 | Bish | SirBob1701: SirBob1701 .. is it possible that the wordlist is compiled-in |
| 17:57.03 | SirBob1701 | Bish: i guess it just doesn't see like a good idea. Doesn't allow for configuration at all |
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| 17:57.11 | SirBob1701 | i'm looking to see if i can find more out |
| 17:57.20 | malik1972 | sirbob: i dont know, in this moment ia m playing with a tool which converts os2eet |
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| 17:58.00 | SirBob1701 | malik1972: where did you get ti? |
| 17:58.05 | malik1972 | sirbob1701: unfortunately the conversion tool is a neo binary |
| 17:58.11 | SirBob1701 | o |
| 17:58.23 | Dave | man, my freerunner is rockin' out |
| 17:58.29 | Bish | Dave: why? |
| 17:58.34 | Bish | SirBob1701: would be great |
| 17:58.58 | malik1972 | om-locations-map-pack |
| 17:59.49 | SirBob1701 | malik1972: ya i know i'd rather do it on my desktop cause i have alot of tiles i want to make into a pack. going on a long trip next weekend |
| 18:00.15 | malik1972 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Locations#Create_Offline_Maps |
| 18:00.16 | Dave | man, you people totally suck this morning. |
| 18:00.24 | malik1972 | sirbob1701: very goog idea |
| 18:00.31 | Tanuva | Dave: it's evening :P |
| 18:00.34 | Bish | its evening, |
| 18:00.35 | Bish | yeah |
| 18:00.38 | malik1972 | save: its night |
| 18:01.04 | Pyrasi | so i installed opemoko-mediaplayer2 yesterday, and now my sound doesnt come back on resume (just like 2007.2...i assume its because of pulseaudio). Does anyone know any fixes and/or what packages i need to uninstall to get the audio coming back on resume again? |
| 18:01.07 | SirBob1701 | malik1972: ya it looks like that page makes you do it on the phone is my only problem. where as if i actually pull the maps on my desktop from openstreetmaps and pack them i can just get a gps lock and go |
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| 18:01.20 | Bish | save , lol are u typing with the illume keyboard :D? |
| 18:01.36 | Bish | Pyrasi: look an mwesters page, he wrote an fix/workaround, i used it when i had 2007.2 |
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| 18:01.54 | Bish | i think it was mwester |
| 18:02.03 | Pyrasi | it mentions not to try that on any other builds other than gtk on that one though =/ |
| 18:02.15 | malik1972 | sirbob1701: a desktop tool doing this would be great |
| 18:02.20 | SirBob1701 | i know |
| 18:02.20 | Bish | i will forget the mokomediaplayer |
| 18:02.28 | Bish | think i will install something like mpd |
| 18:02.49 | Tanuva | alphaone: could you consider adding python-pygtk to your repository? I didn't find anything as usable as fso with working python+gtk... |
| 18:03.11 | malik1972 | sirbob1701: i dont know if and when this conversion tool will finish |
| 18:03.13 | SirBob1701 | malik1972: i'm trying to get info on the .eet file cause i can write something to do it if all the tools are standard |
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| 18:05.04 | ronny | hmm |
| 18:05.07 | Bish | SirBob1701: .. seems like the wordlist in /usr/share/dict/ is not the one , which is used by illue |
| 18:05.15 | Bish | i even removed the files, and its still there |
| 18:05.27 | ronny | how are the plans about asu ui vs old gtk based ui ? |
| 18:05.39 | Bish | ronny: gtk wont be langer supported. |
| 18:05.47 | Bish | or.. it will be supported but there wont be any gtk image |
| 18:05.51 | ronny | (cause the asu thing is really crappy) |
| 18:05.59 | Bish | yeah asu is crappy |
| 18:06.01 | Bish | but illume rox |
| 18:06.05 | SirBob1701 | brb gotta poop :D |
| 18:06.12 | Bish | i dont like qtopia but it's most useable |
| 18:06.37 | ronny | hmm, its really not nice how broken everything currently is :/ |
| 18:07.03 | Bish | ronny: .. its better than before, and its in developement |
| 18:07.09 | Bish | and.. asu is the most useable image ever |
| 18:07.12 | Bish | whats your problem :D? |
| 18:07.53 | trix | kd8ikt, thanks! |
| 18:08.01 | ronny | i hoped it would be at least possible to do a pim-sync to a computer, or dont life in fear that a kernel-update may temporary brick the device |
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| 18:08.31 | ronny | cause without at least one of those i just cant use my moko as phone yet |
| 18:09.19 | tdobson | ronny: it's very hard to brick. just don't mess with uboot |
| 18:09.36 | trix | i'm fairly pleased with the vcard import on 2007.2, granted it requires a ton of python packages to be installed but once there it works pretty fast |
| 18:09.43 | tdobson | ronny: have a look at qtopia for something which is more phonelike than anything else |
| 18:10.22 | tdobson | ronny: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Qtopia |
| 18:10.41 | Bish | what the fuck is ninja xD |
| 18:10.41 | Bish | the evil twin of assasin? |
| 18:10.44 | malik1972 | ronny: install qtopia, thats fine for your needs, syncing with desktop may also work |
| 18:11.44 | weatherhead | malik1972: how do you sync qtopia with a desktop? |
| 18:11.53 | tdobson | is considering dualbooting qtopia with 2007.2..... and possibly tri booting if it's possible with 2008.8... |
| 18:12.05 | Bish | ASU works fine, xD |
| 18:12.20 | tdobson | weatherhead: there is some software from qtopia for the desktop. I'm not sure exactly |
| 18:12.33 | weatherhead | tdobson: I spent a lot of hours the other day trying to make it work.... |
| 18:12.41 | tdobson | haha |
| 18:12.53 | tdobson | if you work it out, please tell someone else :P |
| 18:12.59 | weatherhead | maybe the opensync plugin for opie still works with newer qtopia, but I couldn't do it |
| 18:14.17 | Bish | DOES SOMEONE KNOW WHERE ILLUME KEYBOARD, GETS HIS WORDLIST FROM? |
| 18:14.25 | weatherhead | incidentally does anyone have wifi working on ASU out of the box? |
| 18:14.28 | Bish | CAPS LOCK FURY ! |
| 18:14.29 | weatherhead | mine just says "wifi unknown" |
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| 18:14.41 | Bish | weatherhead: evry does thaat |
| 18:14.48 | weatherhead | Bish: how do I fix it |
| 18:14.54 | Bish | weatherhead: there is no fix |
| 18:14.55 | weatherhead | I used a development image like yesterday that worked ok |
| 18:15.00 | Bish | its not implented , yet |
| 18:15.09 | tdobson | weatherhead: I haven't heard of anyone say how easy it was to get wifi working in 2008.8.... so... |
| 18:15.10 | Bish | weatherhead: yeah but its not in stable ASU |
| 18:15.25 | Bish | tdobson: really? |
| 18:15.27 | tdobson | it's *stable*. it just lacks features |
| 18:15.27 | weatherhead | yesterday, it saw my network let me put in my wpa key and then connected |
| 18:15.30 | Bish | tdobson: with the illume |
| 18:15.43 | weatherhead | also, USB networking seems not to work |
| 18:15.46 | tdobson | doesn't know |
| 18:15.57 | tdobson | it worked for me |
| 18:16.00 | malik1972 | weatherhead: with qtopia desktop? |
| 18:16.11 | SirBob1701 | weatherhead: does your resolv.conf have real dns servers in it? |
| 18:16.20 | malik1972 | weatherhead: http://trolltech.com/developer/downloads/qtopia/desktopdownloads |
| 18:16.34 | Bish | SirBob1701: will u notify mee, if you know something new? |
| 18:16.45 | malik1972 | sirbob1701: the conversion tools crashe on the neo |
| 18:16.54 | SirBob1701 | Bish: yup |
| 18:16.58 | SirBob1701 | malik1972: hmm |
| 18:17.22 | SirBob1701 | malik1972: i have to see if there is a tool or script to make .eet files and or open them. |
| 18:17.46 | weatherhead | "RPM for suse 8.2" that's ridiculous :p |
| 18:17.54 | malik1972 | the neo will kill me |
| 18:18.03 | SirBob1701 | malik1972: http://docs.enlightenment.org/api/eet/html/ |
| 18:18.08 | malik1972 | weatherhead: hehe |
| 18:18.08 | Bish | SirBob1701: how was the line in the interfaces configurationfile |
| 18:18.14 | weatherhead | SirBob1701: I have no idea, I can't ssh into it |
| 18:18.18 | Bish | up nameserver 192.168.178.x > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:18.18 | Bish | ? |
| 18:19.21 | malik1972 | sirbob1701: lets do it |
| 18:20.08 | retracile | Has anyone here hooked up a USB keyboard to their FR? |
| 18:20.18 | SirBob1701 | malik1972: do what? |
| 18:20.19 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 18:20.50 | malik1972 | do the conversion on the pc |
| 18:21.04 | ronny | malik1972: well, i'd like to hack things in pygtk on the phone, that doesnt work with qtopia at all |
| 18:21.35 | SirBob1701 | malik1972: ya i'm reading this page. to see how fast i can do it |
| 18:21.49 | Tig| | retracile: it has been done here : http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080716 |
| 18:22.01 | Tig| | I have used my bluetooth keyboard with mine |
| 18:23.09 | retracile | Tig|: I was following the instructions on the wiki page pointed to by that page. |
| 18:23.18 | Tig| | retracile: ah :) |
| 18:23.30 | retracile | Tig|: (and not having any luck :( ) |
| 18:23.34 | xmpp | me i edit all config and data on another computer then i transfer onto the fr, i kinda gave up interfacing with the thing |
| 18:24.28 | malik1972 | ronny: i understand, but you may use qtopia on nand fpr daily usage and hack 200x.y on sd for your applications |
| 18:25.35 | retracile | I even tried going through a powered usb hub, but still no luck. :/ |
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| 18:26.02 | ronny | malik1972: well, i dont have a spare phone to use while on hacking images |
| 18:26.13 | retracile | (There is a possibility I got the cables mixed up, so I'll go through the whole process again to be sure.) |
| 18:26.31 | ronny | malik1972: and the ussue with contract-db sync is a pain |
| 18:26.34 | ronny | *issue |
| 18:27.00 | Tig| | retracile: I wonder if there is something GTA01 specific in those instructions :/ |
| 18:27.51 | Tig| | as USB has changed slightly between the two models |
| 18:28.02 | malik1972 | ronny: do you really need a daily sync for your contacts? you may write an easy script for im/exporting vcf/ics or whatever, this should work |
| 18:28.07 | weatherhead | so let me get this straight, is there any way of getting USB networking going under 2008.08? |
| 18:28.20 | Tig| | the GTA01 did not have a powered port but the GTA02 does |
| 18:28.28 | mjr | the trivial answer is "yes, of course" |
| 18:28.41 | mjr | without going into the spesifics of "how" |
| 18:29.02 | retracile | Tig|: The link you gave would have to be GTA02, then, since it doesn't have a hub invovled anywhere, right? |
| 18:29.12 | weatherhead | mjr: would you be interested in telling me how, or pointing me somewhere? |
| 18:29.27 | mjr | no, I was just being a smartass |
| 18:29.38 | weatherhead | ok, then. |
| 18:29.57 | Tig| | retracile: hmm good point :) the blog entry is a FR but the wiki instructions seem to be for a GTA01 |
| 18:32.03 | weatherhead | is the latest qtopia-x11 image on buildhost newer or older than 2008.08? |
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| 18:32.41 | ronny | malik1972: well, i cant really wreck havoc and mess things up/reflash if sync sucks |
| 18:33.36 | retracile | Tig|: In doing some initial looking, it looked like bluetooth keyboards were expensive ~$100 and up. :/ |
| 18:33.43 | ronny | bbl |
| 18:34.20 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
| 18:34.34 | Tig| | retracile: erm I bought one for about £30 (UK) the other day from a general department store, shopping around online would have got me a cheaper one |
| 18:34.49 | weatherhead | I got one for £18 |
| 18:34.49 | SirBob1701 | malik1972: ther is suppose to be a eet binary file to open and make them just have to find it |
| 18:36.03 | Tig| | retracile: I have one like this : http://www.amazon.com/iGo-XTBTUE-Stowaway%C3%82%C2%AE-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth%C3%82%C2%AE/dp/B0018MFORS/ref=pd_bbs_5?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1218306900&sr=8-5 $50 :) |
| 18:36.07 | malik1972 | SirBob1701: qtopia crashed while converting, i will ask some specialists on that |
| 18:36.50 | SirBob1701 | ok |
| 18:37.02 | SirBob1701 | i'm dling the data library for enlightenment on ubuntu |
| 18:38.23 | retracile | Tig|: Thanks. If I can't get the usb keyboard working, I may resort to that. |
| 18:38.41 | Tig| | USB keyboards should work though :( |
| 18:39.17 | Tig| | not got one here to test with :( |
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| 18:40.22 | retracile | yeah, I know. I have 2 here, so maybe I can figure out something. |
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| 18:42.22 | Bish | can fuking nobody tell me how i change the word list of the qtopia keyboard :D? |
| 18:42.48 | Xilent | are there mini games for freerunner? |
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| 18:43.41 | hiciu | Bish: google for qdawggen ;) |
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| 18:45.17 | dingman | anyone know which "component" I'm filing a bug against if the broken program is openmoko-messages? |
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| 18:47.20 | arne_ | Xilent: evrything that runs on your desktop linux PC and the FR hw's is willing |
| 18:48.29 | Blalien | I installed tangogps but how do I start this application? |
| 18:48.38 | arne_ | Blalien: which image? |
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| 18:49.01 | Blalien | arne_: the latest tangogps on 2008.8 |
| 18:49.24 | Bish | Blalien: and u installed tangogps via opkg? |
| 18:50.09 | lindi- | Blalien: how did you build tangogps? |
| 18:50.11 | Blalien | Bish: Yeah, but I installed it on my sd card via opkg install -d card |
| 18:50.20 | Bish | what the fuck is |
| 18:50.21 | Bish | -D card |
| 18:50.27 | lindi- | Bish: you are supposed to figure out it yourself :) |
| 18:50.35 | Bish | no i dont :P |
| 18:50.44 | Bish | im not* |
| 18:50.44 | lindi- | oh |
| 18:50.56 | lindi- | why not? ;) |
| 18:51.00 | Bish | lindi-: btw, what do u mean |
| 18:51.07 | Bish | the qtopia keyboard story, or what -d is |
| 18:51.18 | Bish | Blalien: i dont know the -d parameter, opkg is buggy anyway |
| 18:51.18 | lindi- | Bish: how to change the layout |
| 18:51.28 | lindi- | or word list |
| 18:51.43 | Bish | Blalien: -d is something like --direction .. hm. then u will need -d /media/card i think |
| 18:51.53 | SirBob1701 | malik1972: i'm downloading the enlightnment misc module. you have to build the eet program from source |
| 18:51.56 | Bish | lindi-: .. yeah i found a word list in /usr/share/dict/.. or SirBob1701 did,, but if i change it |
| 18:52.06 | Bish | everything is like before |
| 18:52.13 | lindi- | Bish: what is the name of the package? |
| 18:52.22 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r13a026534afe 10/ (data/themes/zhone.edc data/themes/zhone_call.edc src/zhone): apply patch to add a DTMF keypad (closes: #79) |
| 18:52.30 | Bish | which package? xD qtopia keyboard is standart in 2008.8 |
| 18:52.42 | lindi- | Bish: yep, which package is the qtopia keyboard in |
| 18:53.09 | Bish | lindi-: i dont know .. its part of the system |
| 18:53.09 | xt | and it sux |
| 18:53.10 | lindi- | Bish: i have not managed to build 2008.8 yet so i am only looking at the sources |
| 18:53.11 | Bish | dont ask me :D |
| 18:53.16 | Bish | xt: no.. its great for smsing |
| 18:53.21 | lindi- | Bish: but don't you want to learn the system? ;) |
| 18:53.37 | Bish | lindi-: .. sure, but at this moment, i just want to write sms.. german nazi ones :p |
| 18:53.43 | xt | Bish: yeah, that's why I bought a freefrunner |
| 18:53.43 | xt | to |
| 18:53.44 | xt | SMS |
| 18:53.48 | Bish | i need a wordlist including hitler, and something |
| 18:54.05 | Bish | xt: .. its a mobilephone? no ... mobile pc |
| 18:54.12 | Bish | if i want a mobile linux thingy, i will buy a zaurus |
| 18:54.30 | Bish | lindi-: let me take a look |
| 18:54.31 | lindi- | opkg has an option to list which package has the file |
| 18:54.36 | Bish | yeah sure |
| 18:54.36 | lindi- | but i can't remember which one |
| 18:54.38 | Bish | installed :p |
| 18:54.45 | Bish | opkg list installed.. or opkg installed |
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| 18:54.55 | SirBob1701 | hey Bish if you do figure it out you should write up a bit on how to do it on wiki |
| 18:55.08 | xt | Bish: it's a development platform (: |
| 18:55.34 | Bish | xt: yes but it was not invented for DEVELOPINg |
| 18:55.36 | Bish | xD |
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| 18:55.44 | Bish | its a fuking mobilephone.. or better.. it will be one |
| 18:56.00 | Bish | so .. i will write sms with it xD |
| 18:56.22 | Bish | "oh cool it has a gsm daemon, lets write an client.. but dont use it.. cool" |
| 18:56.26 | lindi- | Bish: i'll be improving the keyboard too but first i want to build the source :) |
| 18:56.39 | lindi- | Bish: then i want to be able to debug the source |
| 18:56.41 | Bish | yes .. but xt turns me crazy |
| 18:56.52 | xt | Bish: no. it is in fact YOU that turn you crazy |
| 18:56.52 | lindi- | Bish: then i'll start fixing bugs. only after that i'll be thinking about adding something new :) |
| 18:57.05 | Bish | xt: its your stupid comments that drive me crazy |
| 18:57.12 | Bish | no stop talking to me.. and start developing, but not using it |
| 18:57.25 | Bish | lindi-: wee :) would be great |
| 18:57.59 | xt | Bish: it's not mutually exclusive (: |
| 18:58.19 | Bish | xt: please, stop talking to me |
| 18:58.32 | xt | but yeah, I really hate that keyboard, but that's my personal opinion, feel free to ignore it |
| 18:58.50 | Bish | yes xD youre right |
| 18:58.55 | Bish | nobody cares about your opinion |
| 18:59.03 | xt | you seem to care A LOT. |
| 18:59.31 | Bish | yeah because i hate ppl who talk about their opinions, even if they know that nobody will care xD |
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| 18:59.50 | Bish | "this board sux, i wont write sms with it.. " .. nobody cares xD.. then start developing man |
| 19:00.26 | xt | i hate ppl that pidegonhole ppl |
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| 19:01.01 | undrwate1 | where are xserver errors logged? |
| 19:01.11 | lindi- | undrwate1: lsof? |
| 19:01.38 | lindi- | undrwate1: lsof|grep Xglamo |
| 19:01.52 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r5e4f692d034a 10/ (AUTHORS ChangeLog): credit Julien Cassignol correctly for his patch |
| 19:02.48 | Bish | lindi-: http://rafb.net/p/5vBTHV54.html |
| 19:02.49 | undrwate1 | lindi-: thanks...have to install lsof... |
| 19:02.51 | Bish | cant find the keyboard in there |
| 19:03.23 | undrwate1 | no /var/log/X<something>? :P |
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| 19:03.41 | Bish | undrwate1: use lsof |
| 19:04.10 | Blalien | Bish: the problem is that the start icon doesn't show up when I install it on the sd card... and when I install it on root, it does show up |
| 19:04.34 | Bish | Blalien: .. yeah sure because -d changes the root directory for installing |
| 19:04.41 | Bish | meaning... tangogps is not on /bin |
| 19:04.48 | Bish | its on /media/card/bin |
| 19:04.56 | Bish | and your icon is not where the icon shud be |
| 19:05.02 | Bish | so .. stop installing on card, |
| 19:05.03 | Bish | just type |
| 19:05.06 | Bish | opkg install tangogps |
| 19:05.24 | Bish | prove me wrong |
| 19:05.27 | undrwate1 | lsof doesn't show anything...some upgrade (non-official repo) killed my gui...any recommendations on how to trace it? |
| 19:05.36 | Blalien | Bish: and can I change that somewhere? Because my SD has more storage capacity :P |
| 19:05.51 | Bish | Blalien: tangogps wont be bigger than 1-4 mb i think |
| 19:06.06 | Bish | the only thing that will become big is the map folder (/var/) |
| 19:06.13 | Blalien | Bish: Oke thanks, and you are right ;) :P |
| 19:06.22 | benjaminvm | hello everyone, can someone point me towards some _complete_ directions as to how I can boot OpenMoko from my Treo650? |
| 19:06.37 | Bish | so.. even if you install tangogps on card.. it will write in nand/ram xD and make it fuggin big |
| 19:06.43 | Bish | with a assshitload of maps |
| 19:06.48 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rb9e9d771dd3c 10/src/zhone: use unicode strings for the gui |
| 19:07.08 | undrwate1 | benjaminvm: you have incomplete instructions? |
| 19:07.56 | undrwate1 | any idea what the following means?: |
| 19:07.59 | undrwate1 | [ 6809.600000] AR6000 scan complete: 0 |
| 19:07.59 | undrwate1 | [ 6809.610000] AR6000 Neighbor Report Event |
| 19:08.15 | Centaur5 | If I have an adapter that goes from AC to USB and doesn't specify voltage should that be safe to charge the FR? |
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| 19:08.29 | mjr | yes |
| 19:08.44 | mjr | but blame the adapter maker if it isn't |
| 19:09.10 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mail 07zhone * rff4c5c02ee9f 10/setup.py: |
| 19:09.10 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: setup.py: Only compile theme on "build" |
| 19:09.10 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: To ease packaging and general user experience, this patch makes sure |
| 19:09.10 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: that the file ./data/themes/zhone.edj is only generated when doing |
| 19:09.10 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: "build" and removed on "clean". |
| 19:09.31 | benjaminvm | freesmartphone.org: well I have looked around and can't find anything that gives me step by step instructions. I have experience with linux, and thought this might be a fun project. |
| 19:09.52 | undrwate1 | benjaminvm: you and me both ;) |
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| 19:11.17 | lindi- | Bish: that doesn't still tell me what package has the wordlist |
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| 19:12.02 | undrwate1 | lindi-: i think there's one called words? |
| 19:12.19 | lu_zero | dfu-utils is still 64bit unclean? |
| 19:12.49 | lindi- | printf("\tsearch <file|regexp> Search for a package providing <file>\n"); |
| 19:12.57 | lindi- | Bish: opkg search /usr/share/wordlist.txt |
| 19:13.09 | Bish | lindi-: i found a dict |
| 19:13.12 | benjaminvm | undrwatel: :), so should I use cocoboot and replace the rootfs, or should I flash the whole device(http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/PalmTreo650HowTo) anyhing openmoko specific? |
| 19:13.12 | Bish | in /usr/share/dict |
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| 19:13.19 | lindi- | Bish: is that the one the keyboard uses? |
| 19:13.25 | Bish | lindi-: but i removed that file |
| 19:13.47 | Bish | and even then , the qtopia keyboard had recommendet words |
| 19:14.13 | lindi- | Bish: use strace to figure out where it reads the wordlist |
| 19:14.20 | undrwate1 | benjaminvm: i'm still in the "it would be cool if..." stage...so you're beyond me |
| 19:14.32 | Bish | lindi-: .. maybe there is no wordlist .. maybe its compiled in |
| 19:14.34 | Bish | would be shit |
| 19:14.39 | Bish | i g2g now |
| 19:14.43 | Bish | sorry, i will be back in 3-4 hours |
| 19:14.46 | lindi- | Bish: strace should tell you that too |
| 19:14.47 | Bish | sorry |
| 19:14.55 | Bish | hm, maybe |
| 19:15.01 | lindi- | i don't even know where the source is since i don't know that name of the package ;) |
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| 19:21.06 | Dave | Lindi |
| 19:21.18 | lindi- | Dave: hmm? |
| 19:21.33 | Dave | Any idea if there is a way to force the keyboard to come up, from the command line? |
| 19:21.40 | Dave | either that or emulate keypresses? |
| 19:22.04 | lindi- | Dave: hmm? |
| 19:22.18 | lindi- | "DISPLAY=:0 matchbox-keyboard" |
| 19:22.27 | benjaminvm | undrwatel: it's possible but no one is sharing the details :(, [http://zefanja.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html] |
| 19:22.50 | lindi- | Dave: i "emulate" keypresses using vnc. ssh -g -t -L5900:localhost:5900 freerunner 'chroot /media/card/sid x11vnc -localhost -display :0' |
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| 19:25.01 | retracile | (usbkeyboard) Ok, lsusb shows the usb keyboard, but the capslock light doesn't toggle, and typing doesn't enter characters into the terminal on the FR. |
| 19:26.00 | lindi- | retracile: i have same issue with kernel-2.6.24_2.6.24+git2+c596d9067aa789a62e51df89917680eabe6453e2-r2_om-gta02.ipk |
| 19:26.17 | lindi- | retracile: but for some reason i can type outside X |
| 19:26.38 | lindi- | retracile: which kernel are you using? |
| 19:26.48 | retracile | lindi-: interesting. How do you get out of X to try that? |
| 19:27.00 | lindi- | retracile: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop |
| 19:27.46 | retracile | lindi-: Ah. Yeah, that would do it. :) |
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| 19:28.53 | retracile | lindi-: Ok, yeah, I can use the keyboard that way as well. |
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| 19:31.18 | jomat | Is there a way to kill dfu-util if it's unresponsive... it seems to block something on usb, as new dfu-util instances behave the same way... |
| 19:31.31 | jomat | It doesn't like -9 |
| 19:31.40 | lindi- | retracile: cool |
| 19:31.52 | lindi- | retracile: are you able to compile X? |
| 19:32.50 | retracile | lindi-: Maybe; I'd have to check. Is there a relevant compile option? |
| 19:33.10 | lindi- | retracile: the defaults should be just fine? are you using mokomakefile? |
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| 19:34.34 | retracile | lindi-: I am |
| 19:36.11 | retracile | Is there a way I can change the screen to run as landscape outside of X? |
| 19:36.29 | retracile | (I'd rather have 640x480 than 480x640) |
| 19:36.53 | lindi- | retracile: good question |
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| 19:37.43 | lindi- | retracile: wait, i am trying to remove unnecessary stuff from my desk so that i can unwrap the rubber keyboard :) |
| 19:37.49 | retracile | lindi-: All I want is a 1990's PC experience here... just in miniature... and with a couple orders of magnitude more storage.. ;) |
| 19:38.05 | retracile | lindi-: Hey, thanks :) |
| 19:38.46 | SpeedEvil | You mean rotate the framebuffer? |
| 19:39.35 | jomat | I accidentially flashed my backup images with the FR booted from NAND... Now it won't boot anymore. Is there a problem with the backups or shouldn't I try to flash kernel and rootfs from NAND? :-) |
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| 19:41.28 | mmontour | Flashing should be the same whether you booted u-boot from NAND or NOR |
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| 19:43.02 | jomat | Ok, thx... Uboot says CRC error for the kernel... |
| 19:43.36 | mmontour | did you back up with "dfu-util -U"? |
| 19:43.40 | lindi- | retracile: sorry but this may take a while |
| 19:44.14 | retracile | SpeedEvil: Yeah, that'd probably work. |
| 19:44.38 | retracile | lindi-: That's ok. I'll be stepping away periodically anyway. |
| 19:45.01 | benjaminvm | anyone have experience with cocoboot and openmoko, better to go with om 2007 or om2008 at this time? |
| 19:45.05 | jomat | mmontour, yes, I think so, like it's written on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup |
| 19:46.06 | weatherhead | so does anyone actually know how to get USB networking working with 2008.08? |
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| 19:47.10 | mmontour | I wouldn't be surprised if dfu-util -U was still buggy, but I haven't tried it lately. |
| 19:47.35 | retracile | SpeedEvil: I don't suppose you know how to do that? |
| 19:47.41 | stevenSn | weatherhead: The only thing I had to do different in 2008.8 for USB networking was manually create /etc/resolv.conf with my nameserver. Everything else has been the same |
| 19:48.26 | Pyrasi | does anyone know what packages I should remove to remove pulseaudio? |
| 19:48.41 | Pyrasi | I installed it yesterday and now i have the no sound on resume problem |
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| 19:54.29 | borg_ | Pyrasi: ah, thx :) |
| 19:54.45 | borg_ | now i know why i have sound problems after resuming since some days :) |
| 19:54.58 | borg_ | i installed openmoko-mediaplayer2 and therefore pulseaudio |
| 19:55.01 | weatherhead | stevenSn: how did you do that? |
| 19:55.06 | weatherhead | without ssh access |
| 19:55.52 | Pyrasi | borg_: same thing happened to me =/ |
| 19:55.53 | stevenSn | weatherhead: I plugged in the USB, did the ifconfig usb0 ... step on my PC, then I was able to ssh to 192.168.0.202 |
| 19:56.03 | weatherhead | well, I am not |
| 19:56.03 | weatherhead | hehe |
| 19:56.09 | stevenSn | weatherhead: You don't need DNS to ssh in |
| 19:56.23 | weatherhead | yes I know that, but ssh is not working since I updated to 2008.08 |
| 19:56.31 | Pyrasi | borg_: any idea what package should be removed to get rid of pulseaudio? |
| 19:56.32 | weatherhead | I can ping the device but ssh just hangs |
| 19:56.36 | borg_ | so, is there a known fix for this? |
| 19:56.36 | stevenSn | weatherhead: Can you ping the freerunner? |
| 19:56.40 | weatherhead | I can |
| 19:56.53 | borg_ | i need a mediaplayer since i use my neo as a radio replacement in my car |
| 19:56.58 | stevenSn | weatherhead: You installed the image? |
| 19:57.02 | weatherhead | I did |
| 19:57.02 | borg_ | (someone stole my radio...) |
| 19:57.16 | weatherhead | I updated my uboot as well because I tohught that might be causing it |
| 19:57.24 | stevenSn | weatherhead: Was the USB plugged in when you booted the freerunner? |
| 19:57.29 | weatherhead | I think so yes |
| 19:58.37 | weatherhead | ok I just plugged the FR, I can now ping it |
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| 19:59.18 | weatherhead | I issue the ssh command, it asks me for a password, I press enter, and it hangs |
| 19:59.33 | |FiLiP| | weatherhead, did you wait long enough ? |
| 19:59.43 | weatherhead | I left it on for 3 hours earlier |
| 19:59.46 | |FiLiP| | ssh daemon might be trying to reverse lookup your ip |
| 19:59.58 | |FiLiP| | which is not working without dns |
| 20:00.25 | weatherhead | I don't understand it though, I have the same ahrdware as everyone else, the same image, so why is it not working for me? |
| 20:00.25 | |FiLiP| | hmm, 3 hours seems way too long for a dns timeout |
| 20:00.36 | weatherhead | could it be because I don't have a SIM in my freerunner? |
| 20:00.40 | stevenSn | weatherhead: So it asks you for a password? That means its connecting to the ssh daemon (I think). Your doing ssh root@192.168.0.202 right |
| 20:00.41 | weatherhead | crazy I know, |
| 20:00.48 | weatherhead | stevenSn: yes |
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| 20:01.29 | weatherhead | if I then kill it, and try again, it says remote host key has changed |
| 20:01.38 | rcxdude | weatherhead: try running ssh -vvv root@192.168.0.202 for more info |
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| 20:02.18 | weatherhead | oh |
| 20:02.21 | weatherhead | it worked that time... |
| 20:02.59 | weatherhead | that is with an openmoko-qtopia-x11 devel image though, not 2008.08 |
| 20:03.02 | weatherhead | I will try reflashing |
| 20:04.11 | christ_van_wille | Anyone up-to-date with error-messages given by dfu-util? I keep getting errr -16 when flashing a new root filesystem. |
| 20:04.30 | christ_van_wille | Happen with 2008.8 and (I guess...) 2007.2 |
| 20:04.32 | weatherhead | guys, how many reflashes do you think is the life of the NAND flash? |
| 20:04.55 | weatherhead | I only ask becaus I need this phone to last me a good few years |
| 20:05.25 | retracile | Hm. Where do I find the battery charge information from the commandline? I'm used to looking under /proc/acpi, but I don't see that directory on the FR. |
| 20:06.17 | benjaminvm | hi, how can I compile openmoko for the treo 650 using the MokoMakefile? Are there any platform specific aspects that I need to address? thanks. |
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| 20:07.54 | xmpp | i'm not satisfied with the 2007.02 interface and phone features, i'm trying to decide what software to install |
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| 20:08.38 | xmpp | i'm an arch linux user so what software should i install on my fr ? |
| 20:09.06 | retracile | lindi-: For reference, my kernel according to opkg is: kernel - 2:2.6.24+git27+1a95efdc23966343a3b432ceef2f6c24dc0e2052-r2 |
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| 20:11.32 | Zero_Dogg | What do I need to do to be able to switch batteries while freerunner is running? I need it to charge a flat battery |
| 20:12.07 | mjr | afaik nothing much, just not expect the gsm to stay alive |
| 20:12.18 | cga | Zero_Dogg, try with plugging it with USB and switch the battery |
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| 20:12.52 | xmpp | i want the most efficient gsm phone so what do i choose ? 2008.08, ASU, FSO, SHR, QTopia, is there another ? |
| 20:12.53 | mjr | yeah I kinda took the USB step for granted there |
| 20:13.16 | xmpp | what does ASU mean? is it the same as 2008.08? |
| 20:13.37 | lindi- | retracile: ok |
| 20:13.37 | mjr | yes, it's the same |
| 20:13.57 | Zero_Dogg | I've tried everything I can think of. Turned off GSM, bluetooth, everything i could think of but it still it seems to power down when I remove the battery (with external power connected) |
| 20:15.02 | xmpp | i'd like to see some poll on what OS people have installed on their FR |
| 20:15.19 | lindi- | xmpp: org.openmoko.dev and debian unstable chroot |
| 20:16.08 | xmpp | i doubt debian would be better for simple phone purpose |
| 20:16.22 | mmontour | Zero_Dogg: I don't know if this will work, but try booting into the NAND u-boot menu and then switch the batteries while in that environment. If that doesn't work, you may be able to do it under Linux by disabling charging through a /sys entry |
| 20:16.42 | Zero_Dogg | mmontour: how do I get into the u-boot menu? |
| 20:16.47 | lindi- | xmpp: but they have mplayer :) |
| 20:16.50 | xmpp | i would like a up to date port of Arch though |
| 20:17.14 | xmpp | i don't care about mplayer on my phone right now |
| 20:17.17 | mmontour | Hold down power button, then hold down Aux button (wiki should have details). Also do this with a recent (i.e. August) u-boot |
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| 20:17.34 | cga | does anyone here (by any chance) have a DELL bluetooth mouse?? i need him/her to dfu-util -U the firmware since i borked mine :| |
| 20:17.56 | xmpp | i want my freerunner to be a real usable phone |
| 20:18.06 | cga | xmpp, try Qtopia then |
| 20:18.06 | Zero_Dogg | mmontour: hrm, might need to upgrade then, it's still running the default firmware |
| 20:18.10 | cga | it does the phone well |
| 20:18.57 | xmpp | is there recent screenshots of Qtopia somewhere ? |
| 20:19.01 | lindi- | retracile: ok |
| 20:19.10 | lindi- | retracile: lsusb shows '058f:9254 Alcor Micro Corp. Hub 0000:0000 1241:1503 Belkin (?)' |
| 20:19.14 | mmontour | You can grab the most recent u-boot from the 'daily' dir on buildhost.openmoko.org (you want the gta02v5 version) |
| 20:19.32 | xmpp | Qtopia screenshots on the wiki look bad |
| 20:19.46 | lindi- | retracile: let's make usb keyboard work with X |
| 20:21.20 | ArteK | xmpp: http://www.flickr.com/photos/29198114@N06/sets/72157606558286856/ |
| 20:21.22 | lindi- | retracile: dmesg -c; press a key; dmesg -c; prints 'evbug.c: Event. Dev: usb-s3c24xx-2.3/input0, Type: 4, Code: 4, Value: 458796' |
| 20:21.31 | weatherhead | ok, when I reflash to 2008.08 and try to activate usb0 I get "SIOCSIFADDR: No such device" |
| 20:21.42 | lindi- | retracile: that's probably ./build/tmp/work/om-gta02-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-openmoko-2_2.6.24+git0+d4b28ec4e2818207cc0e48b90dbce581e0b779e7-r2/git/drivers/input/evbug.c? |
| 20:22.15 | lindi- | retracile: * Input driver event debug module - dumps all events into syslog |
| 20:22.35 | lindi- | retracile: rmmod evbug and that stops |
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| 20:25.02 | xmpp | ArteK: ty, but i still think Qtopia looks bad |
| 20:25.30 | russellb | at least it works |
| 20:25.34 | bkrus1 | indeed |
| 20:26.32 | retracile | lindi-: To clarify... you're saying run X, enter 'dmesg -c' using the on-screen kbd, then 'press a key' is on the usb keyboard? |
| 20:26.37 | lu_zero | 2008.8 is taking ages to boot and then seems to freeze |
| 20:26.47 | lindi- | retracile: i use ssh over wlan |
| 20:26.50 | lu_zero | common issue? |
| 20:26.51 | lindi- | retracile: much easier |
| 20:27.19 | lindi- | retracile: dmesg -c is just for making sure you only see relevant info (-c removes all old info) |
| 20:27.26 | retracile | lindi-: ah, yeah, that would be... but I'm not setup for that at the moment. :( |
| 20:28.04 | lindi- | retracile: it's very difficult to debug they keyboard with the keyboard :P |
| 20:28.12 | lindi- | retracile: see http://rafb.net/p/TSKkDC71.html |
| 20:28.34 | lindi- | retracile: 1) why does it load evbug? |
| 20:28.38 | lindi- | retracile: 2) how do we make X use it? |
| 20:29.25 | xmpp | i was interested in the 2008.08 ASU but everything i read tells me it renders the phone unusable, should i try anyway ? |
| 20:29.56 | cga | xmpp, try it in the microSD |
| 20:30.11 | cga | xmpp, so you can keep 2007.2 |
| 20:30.16 | xmpp | is it slower with the sd ? |
| 20:30.30 | cga | i don't know i'm going to do it later |
| 20:30.46 | retracile | lindi-: evbug is a kernel module? I'm not seeing that on my FR. |
| 20:31.09 | lindi- | retracile: yes |
| 20:31.22 | lindi- | # cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb1/1-2/1-2.3/1-2.3\:1.0/input/input9/event5/dev |
| 20:31.26 | lindi- | 13:69 |
| 20:31.34 | lindi- | so it's /dev/input/event5 |
| 20:31.46 | lindi- | # lsof|grep event5 |
| 20:31.47 | lindi- | hald-addo 1773 haldaemon 4r CHR 13,69 5494 /dev/input/event5 |
| 20:32.07 | xmpp | i think 2007.2 also has really annoying bugs, so maybe is 2008.8 is not much worse |
| 20:32.56 | lindi- | retracile: can you lsof | grep glamo | grep /dev? |
| 20:33.28 | xmpp | i'm gonna try 2008.8 on the micro sd and wish everything's fine |
| 20:33.50 | lu_zero | how to disable the suspend? |
| 20:34.00 | lu_zero | it's getting annoying |
| 20:34.21 | retracile | lindi-: I'll have to retype the results; is there something in that you're looking for? |
| 20:34.24 | lindi- | lu_zero: neod calls apm -s? |
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| 20:34.52 | lindi- | retracile: i was hoping you'd make sense out of it :) |
| 20:35.07 | lindi- | retracile: | grep event at least? |
| 20:35.53 | retracile | it shows Xglamo as having /dev/'s mem, fb0, tty1, input/mice, input/event1 |
| 20:36.20 | lindi- | retracile: ok so it does not have event5 open |
| 20:36.25 | lindi- | retracile: does hal? |
| 20:39.52 | benjaminvm | if anyone has hacked openmoko on to their treo 650 email me (vm.benjamin@gmail.com), I need details :). |
| 20:39.55 | lindi- | '/usr/bin/Xglamo :0 -pn -dpi 285 -screen 480x640 -hide-cursor -root-ppm /usr/share/pixmaps/xsplash-vga.ppm vt1' is running, maybe i should add -use-evdev? |
| 20:40.38 | retracile | lindi-: hald-addo has /dev/input/event{0,1,4,5,6} |
| 20:41.10 | lindi- | retracile: ok |
| 20:42.00 | lindi- | usb-common.c in glamo has for (i = 0; i < 32; i++) { XmuSnprintf(name, sizeof(name), "/dev/input/event%d", i); |
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| 20:43.25 | lindi- | i'll try 'Kstrace -o /tmp/s -s4096 -f -tt /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start' to see if it opens event%d |
| 20:44.24 | retracile | lindi-: I take it that glamo is started by /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm ? |
| 20:44.24 | lindi- | retracile: yes |
| 20:44.29 | tim_abell | hello. does anyone have the correct url for "openmoko builds" on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#Binaries as the link is returning a 404 |
| 20:45.13 | retracile | lindi-: as a sanity check, I'm restarting X with the usb keyboard connected. I think I've done that before though. |
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| 20:45.27 | lindi- | retracile: it alone does not help here either |
| 20:45.49 | BlueRaid | tim_abell, http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/dfu-util |
| 20:45.52 | retracile | lindi-: yeah, doesn't help here. |
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| 20:46.31 | tim_abell | cheers BlueRaid |
| 20:47.47 | retracile | lindi-: ctrl-alt-F1 doesn't switch to the terminal either. |
| 20:47.53 | retracile | s/terminal/console/ |
| 20:47.57 | lindi- | retracile: X disables it |
| 20:49.00 | lindi- | K/dev/tty1B K/dev/tty1B K/dev/tty0B K/dev/fb0B K/dev/memB K/dev/mouseB K/dev/psauxB K/dev/input/miceB K/dev/input/touchscreen0B it seems to open |
| 20:49.02 | retracile | Hrm. Now that I'm looking for it, I don't see F1-F12 on the matchbox keyboard either. :/ |
| 20:49.04 | lindi- | and not event5 |
| 20:49.36 | retracile | Hm. Where is it getting that list? It doesn't match the loop you pasted earlier. |
| 20:50.03 | retracile | lindi-: I'm wondering if a well-chosen symlink to event5 might get us there. |
| 20:50.32 | lindi- | retracile: sounds like cheating :) |
| 20:50.38 | lindi- | "usb-kbd" is the name of the driver in X |
| 20:50.59 | retracile | lindi-: I'm ok with cheating as a step 1. ;) |
| 20:51.50 | xmpp | i'd like to see screenshots of FSO or SHR |
| 20:52.18 | retracile | lindi-: what are you using for your build environment? |
| 20:52.24 | retracile | (mokomakefile?) |
| 20:52.56 | mmontour | Zero_Dogg: another possibility for your battery-swap is to boot into Linux, turn off GSM, then turn off charging by "echo 0 > /sys/something/chgmode" (not sure of exact path). Then "echo 1" to that same file after you've swapped batteries. |
| 20:53.01 | weatherhead | ok, so I got wifi working |
| 20:53.06 | weatherhead | how do I fix the GPS? |
| 20:53.14 | weatherhead | (I have already taken out the SD card) |
| 20:53.25 | SirBob1701 | weatherhead: kernel update |
| 20:53.41 | weatherhead | I believe I'm on the latest |
| 20:53.58 | weatherhead | latest from buildhost/daily |
| 20:54.09 | lindi- | retracile: mokomakefile |
| 20:54.15 | SirBob1701 | ya or if your running 2008.8 one for taht |
| 20:54.38 | lu_zero | wifi working? |
| 20:54.43 | weatherhead | SirBob1701: sorry I didn't understand that... do I have to update the kernel |
| 20:55.09 | lindi- | lu_zero: ? |
| 20:55.23 | SirBob1701 | weatherhead: yes |
| 20:55.30 | weatherhead | SirBob1701: to what? |
| 20:55.32 | weatherhead | and how |
| 20:55.57 | SirBob1701 | weatherhead: what distro are you running? |
| 20:56.09 | SirBob1701 | here is how to flash http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 20:56.29 | weatherhead | SirBob1701: I know how to flash it, I'm running the kernel from buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/ |
| 20:56.32 | weatherhead | the latest one |
| 20:56.42 | SirBob1701 | weatherhead: ok then you have the gps fix |
| 20:56.51 | SirBob1701 | weatherhead: don't even need to take sd card out |
| 20:57.05 | weatherhead | SirBob1701: but I don't seem to. The nav application doesn't ever seem to get a fix |
| 20:57.07 | SirBob1701 | you'll take a really really long time to get a fix inside no matter what |
| 20:57.17 | weatherhead | ok |
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| 20:57.22 | SirBob1701 | if you go outside you should get a fix in 2-3 minutes |
| 20:57.24 | stevenSn | weatherhead: Try going for a walk |
| 20:57.32 | weatherhead | heh ok |
| 20:57.36 | weatherhead | back in a few minutes :p |
| 20:58.12 | Dave | shares his freshly baked pie with lindi |
| 20:58.28 | lu_zero | lindi- wasn't aware of that |
| 20:59.58 | lindi- | lu_zero: of what? ;) |
| 20:59.58 | tim_abell | i'm about to flash my freerunner to 2008.8,k and I'm expanding the instructions slightly on the wiki as I go. Someone kick me if I'm doing the wrong thing. Eg I added "chmod +x dfu-util" to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#Binaries as it strikes me that this is a non-obvious step unless you are experienced with linux. |
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| 20:59.58 | TMM | hi all! |
| 21:00.10 | TMM | I have a question: Is there a 3G verion planned for the openmoko? |
| 21:00.32 | lindi- | TMM: that has been asked a million times on the mailing list :P |
| 21:00.44 | jomat | Is it needless to solder 10 pF to the SD pins with the new kernel or will it increase gps quality? |
| 21:00.46 | abraxa_ | "the" mailing list, heh |
| 21:01.01 | lindi- | abraxa_: uhm yeah, +s :P |
| 21:01.13 | lindi- | jomat: measure it before |
| 21:02.01 | lindi- | can somebody with working external keyboard run "lsof | grep glamo" for me? |
| 21:02.06 | jomat | Would it harm to solder one in anyways? |
| 21:02.53 | TMM | lindi-: care to save me the trouble of searching through millions of posts? :) |
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| 21:03.36 | mmontour | jomat: I've heard one report of someone who broke his FR by trying to solder in a cap (his SD card stopped working). IMHO it's better to wait and see if the software fixes are good enough |
| 21:03.41 | lindi- | TMM: sure: we don't know |
| 21:04.32 | jomat | mmontour, did it help to remove the cap again? |
| 21:04.32 | TMM | lindi-: that works |
| 21:04.41 | Dave | Hello Mmontour :) |
| 21:05.46 | TMM | you see, my dream phone would be able to be a wireless access point and use my hsdpa internet |
| 21:05.55 | mmontour | jomat: I'm not sure what happened in the end. The problem wasn't the capacitor itself, it was that he had a solder bridge or something when installing it |
| 21:06.13 | lindi- | TMM: just add 3g-usb-stick |
| 21:06.24 | TMM | lindi-: to the phone? |
| 21:06.27 | lindi- | TMM: yes |
| 21:06.29 | mmontour | Hi Dave. Please tell us all how to get our bluetooth headsets to work :) |
| 21:06.41 | jomat | Ah, okay, I hope this won't happen :-) |
| 21:06.56 | TMM | then I'd still need 2 simcards and the extra cost involved with that |
| 21:07.18 | TMM | plus, the usb 3g cards, well.. suck |
| 21:07.20 | lindi- | TMM: my operator gives me up to 5 simcards with the same price |
| 21:07.24 | TMM | I've got one, and it's horrible |
| 21:07.39 | lindi- | TMM: they call it "multisim" |
| 21:07.41 | TMM | lindi-: sure, but then you can't use the sim card(s) for calling and data at the same time |
| 21:07.54 | retracile | TMM: Last I heard, the wireless in the FR can't run as an accesspoint anyway. :( |
| 21:08.04 | TMM | well, ad-hoc would be good enough |
| 21:08.07 | lindi- | TMM: i can call with one simcard and use the other simcard in the 3g-usb-stick at the same time afaik |
| 21:08.14 | TMM | really now? |
| 21:08.17 | TMM | that's interesting |
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| 21:08.29 | lindi- | TMM: well, that's how they advertise it. it'll get it in a week |
| 21:08.50 | TMM | from what I gathered, that's impossible |
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| 21:08.59 | Dave | Lindi do you use qtopia at all? |
| 21:09.04 | TMM | but, maybe that's just my operator, it's the same one that caps my 3g at 1.5mbit/s |
| 21:09.13 | TMM | so, I wouldn't be surprised |
| 21:09.15 | lindi- | TMM: why would it be impossible? |
| 21:09.32 | TMM | something to do with the gsm network and imei numbers, I didn't quite understand the explaination |
| 21:09.45 | TMM | it might thus have been bullcrap |
| 21:09.56 | lindi- | TMM: i don't think the simcards are identical |
| 21:10.09 | lindi- | Dave: i have not been able to compile asu yet |
| 21:10.32 | lindi- | TMM: so they are just two normal simcards. it's all just how they price it |
| 21:11.40 | Rigolo | is not very used to Om2008.8 yet ... |
| 21:12.04 | Rigolo | at least it is quicker than the x11-qtopia images on buildhost :-) |
| 21:12.15 | TMM | I wish I had my openmoko already :/ |
| 21:12.23 | TMM | it will take another 2 months before I get it apparently |
| 21:12.27 | TMM | :( |
| 21:12.34 | TMM | brb |
| 21:12.34 | Rigolo | why? sold out again? |
| 21:12.59 | TMM | yeha |
| 21:13.23 | xmpp | TMM: good for you the phone might be usable by the time you get one |
| 21:13.26 | Tanuva | realizes he has been really damn lucky getting his so early |
| 21:13.32 | Rigolo | mmm what' sup with resolv.conf in OM2008.8 (mm need to shorten those namen ...) |
| 21:13.47 | retracile | Rigolo: did they get a batch after the initial release? |
| 21:14.13 | Rigolo | FR arrived one day after he went on holiday (july 6th or something) |
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| 21:14.24 | Rigolo | retracile: no idea ... maybe I was lucky :-) |
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| 21:17.35 | somnoliento | Is wifi working on yesterday's 2008.8? |
| 21:18.00 | somnoliento | (I keep getting "wifi:unknown") |
| 21:18.08 | Dave | boohoo |
| 21:18.49 | somnoliento | not complaining, just asking |
| 21:18.55 | retracile | lindi-: Regarding FB rotation: CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE_ROTATION might do it. Now to figure out how to set that in this OE stuff... |
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| 21:20.21 | Tanya | =\ |
| 21:21.29 | roh | mmontour yap.. that soldering is quite tricky. should only be done by those who are sure to know what they are doing. |
| 21:21.37 | lindi- | retracile: keep me updated |
| 21:21.42 | roh | read 'you havent soldered 0402 before? don't start now' |
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| 21:21.58 | Dave | hi roh :) |
| 21:22.01 | retracile | lindi-: Looks like I want to patch defconfig-gta02 |
| 21:22.05 | roh | sw fix_ES only surfices afaik. |
| 21:22.21 | SpeedEvil | roh: any idea if 10pf was a guessed-at value? |
| 21:22.52 | roh | its 3 fixes so far afaik.. switch off clock when not needed, reduce drive strenght, and reduce voltage to what the card negotiates to |
| 21:22.56 | SpeedEvil | I haven't seen any numbers on SNR with fix, compared to clock off. |
| 21:22.59 | retracile | lindi-: I'm new to OE and about 2 years rusty on kernel development, so I'm moving a bit slowly ATM. What I really need is an intro to the OE system. :/ |
| 21:23.08 | tim_abell | TMM, I've hardly slept since I got mine. So get some kip in now ;) |
| 21:23.24 | SpeedEvil | All of those 'fixes' are prolly good for a little more battery life too. |
| 21:23.25 | roh | SpeedEvil at first yes, but then we did a test and that said 9pf were optimal. but since these caps have about 20% tolerance... ;) |
| 21:23.27 | SpeedEvil | Which is nice. |
| 21:23.37 | lindi- | retracile: if we pull this out we need to document it to wiki of course |
| 21:24.00 | retracile | lindi-: agreed. |
| 21:24.02 | roh | SpeedEvil the cap eats about 6-10db noise floor. the sw fix gives about 24-29 db afaik |
| 21:24.13 | roh | so without sw fix, no cake yet. |
| 21:24.19 | roh | sw fix only.. cake afaik |
| 21:24.27 | roh | both -> should also work, does for me. |
| 21:24.36 | roh | i got smokes, cake is out |
| 21:25.12 | weatherhead | what is he difference between "locations" and "diversity -nav" |
| 21:25.15 | roh | (because i soldered in a cap before the sw fix was there, while testing the hw fix idea back then) |
| 21:25.16 | SpeedEvil | roh: thanks. |
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| 21:26.13 | SpeedEvil | roh: I assume with the hard fix, there is no improvement when the SD is unused (with the soft fix) |
| 21:26.20 | retracile | lindi-: If I want to add a patch, do you know how I set that up so that bitbake will use it? |
| 21:26.39 | lindi- | retracile: unfortunately not :( |
| 21:26.58 | retracile | lindi-: bummer. Guess I'll have to try to figure it out. |
| 21:27.12 | roh | SpeedEvil? |
| 21:28.09 | roh | retracile make a patch which fits on top of the git+ what the recipe patches (if it does that) and add it to the recipe |
| 21:28.14 | SpeedEvil | roh: to restate in a more sane way |
| 21:28.29 | SpeedEvil | roh: There is no interference with the clock off. |
| 21:28.47 | SpeedEvil | roh: so the cap doesn't help then. |
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| 21:28.53 | roh | should be. |
| 21:28.56 | retracile | roh: Ok, lots of clues there... but my knowledge of bitbake/OE is still too low. Where is the recipe? |
| 21:28.58 | mmontour | retracile: add it to the SRC_URI list in the bitbake recipe, with a ";patch=1" after the filename. E.g. see the "openocd_svn.bb" recipe |
| 21:29.21 | roh | the cap also only affects sd_clk.. drive strengt and voltage from the sw fix series affect all data and vcc lines to the sd |
| 21:29.35 | roh | retracile its in the git tree |
| 21:29.51 | roh | retracile ./openmoko/packages/... or so... |
| 21:29.59 | roh | you used mokomakefile? |
| 21:30.11 | retracile | roh: yes. |
| 21:32.22 | roh | let me update my checkout first |
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| 21:33.04 | weatherhead | when I try to use opkg I get "error. can't get administrative lock" |
| 21:33.06 | weatherhead | any ideas? |
| 21:33.17 | lindi- | weatherhead: < lindi-> Blalien: http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22Could%20not%20obtain%20administrative%20lock%22&meta= |
| 21:33.28 | roh | weatherhead close any other apps which do package work |
| 21:33.33 | roh | means the installer |
| 21:33.38 | weatherhead | yes |
| 21:33.41 | weatherhead | I have closed the installer |
| 21:34.11 | roh | hm... is something called packagekit running? |
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| 21:35.08 | weatherhead | nope |
| 21:35.18 | BlueRaid | weatherhead, make a reboot.... |
| 21:35.30 | roh | then its a bug i guess and something left a lockfile |
| 21:35.39 | weatherhead | ok |
| 21:35.45 | Jarmund | Has anyone considered porting irssi or any other irc client to openmoko yet? |
| 21:35.46 | roh | if there is no bug yet, i think its time to file one |
| 21:35.56 | Rigolo | mmmm 2k8.8 changed how DNS is working ... can somebody give me a hint how to get dns working in 2k8.8 with usb networking? |
| 21:36.04 | roh | seen that before scrolling by somewhere |
| 21:36.17 | SpeedEvil | Jarmund: irssi should just run |
| 21:36.37 | SpeedEvil | Jarmund: as should any terminal based client - keyboard may be annoying though. |
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| 21:36.50 | Jarmund | i have an SUB keyboard connected anyways |
| 21:36.59 | Jarmund | USB* |
| 21:37.30 | retracile | Jarmund: Ah! How did you get that working? |
| 21:38.18 | Jarmund | retracile: first you have to set USB in host mode, and supply +5V. the trick is to connect the keyboard to the phone via an USB hub |
| 21:38.19 | retracile | Jarmund: Does it work in X as well, or just on the console? |
| 21:38.33 | Jarmund | good question.. haven't tested it outside the console |
| 21:38.49 | lindi- | Jarmund: ha! you are not going to leave until you help debug this a bit :)) |
| 21:38.54 | retracile | I got it working in the console even without the usb hub |
| 21:39.00 | lindi- | Jarmund: can you please run "lsof | grep glamo"? |
| 21:39.38 | Jarmund | don't have FR available at the moment, sorry |
| 21:39.43 | roh | hm.. this checkout will take some time. |
| 21:39.45 | lindi- | Jarmund: oh |
| 21:39.51 | retracile | bummer |
| 21:40.09 | roh | retracile gta01 didnt have a 5V step up converter to source voltage to the host |
| 21:40.51 | Dave | So is there any way to force the keyboard to come up, from the command line? |
| 21:40.56 | retracile | roh: right, but FR apparently does. |
| 21:41.03 | retracile | (right?) |
| 21:42.22 | lindi- | Dave: < lindi-> "DISPLAY=:0 matchbox-keyboard" |
| 21:42.33 | Jarmund | SpeedEvil: btw "irssi should just run"... as in i just copy over the binary and make sure i have the deps installed? |
| 21:42.51 | cga | mmontour, is it normal that the 2007.2 rootfs i'm backing up with dfu-util is more than 180MB? |
| 21:42.56 | retracile | Hm. That's interesting... the keyboard LEDs don't light up, but they do take effect. |
| 21:42.58 | lindi- | Jarmund: easiest way is to setup debian unstable chroot and apt-get install irssi |
| 21:43.03 | lindi- | retracile: ? |
| 21:43.06 | Marcel_M | Jarmund: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/irssi_0.8.10-r2_armv4t.ipk |
| 21:43.15 | roh | retracile ack |
| 21:43.18 | Jarmund | Marcel_M: ah, sweet, thans |
| 21:43.21 | Jarmund | +k |
| 21:43.31 | Marcel_M | you're welcome |
| 21:43.40 | Zero_Dogg | mmontour: thanks |
| 21:43.41 | Dave | lindi- oh snaps |
| 21:43.44 | Dave | sorry :) |
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| 21:44.15 | feitingen | Jarmund: gl with your stuff |
| 21:44.32 | Jarmund | anychance something simple like that can be done with ntfs-3g or any other app that allows me to mount NTFS disks? i was so glad when i finally got my USB disk connected, until i remembered that the disk was NTFS >_< |
| 21:44.39 | feitingen | lindi-: gl with usbstuff, i got a bluetooth apple keyboard |
| 21:44.41 | Jarmund | feitingen: ty, gl on the getting drunk |
| 21:44.51 | Dave | lindi, it doesn't work |
| 21:44.51 | feitingen | Jarmund: laready teher |
| 21:44.58 | Jarmund | lol |
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| 21:45.11 | Dave | X Error of failed request: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) |
| 21:45.14 | Rigolo | any dns hints and tips for OM2k8.8? |
| 21:45.51 | Rigolo | (other then .. just remove symlinked resolv.conf and replace with hardcoded version) |
| 21:46.09 | Jarmund | heh.. that's exactly what i'm doing |
| 21:46.20 | Jarmund | i made a shellscript that replaces resolv.conf |
| 21:46.29 | roh | retracile take a look at openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko* |
| 21:46.41 | Rigolo | well ... there should be a "better way" (tm) (r) (c) than just that |
| 21:47.03 | Jarmund | there probably is, but it's pretty low on my priority list |
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| 21:47.08 | Rigolo | why else would it be symlinked and you have the /etc/resolvconf dir etc |
| 21:47.14 | Dave | Hi retracile |
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| 21:47.22 | retracile | Hi Dave :) |
| 21:47.28 | Dave | :) |
| 21:47.31 | Rigolo | tried to add some data to /etc/network/interfaces .. but that did not work for usb networking .. |
| 21:47.48 | Rigolo | and the resolvconf man pages are not very clear also |
| 21:47.56 | roh | bbl.. |
| 21:48.23 | mmontour | cga: sounds normal - FR rootfs partition is 256M minus a few MB for kernel/splashscreen/etc. Be warned that dfu-util upload may be buggy - someone else had problems today after restoring a dfu-util -U backup |
| 21:48.45 | cga | mmontour, thanks =) |
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| 21:49.44 | retracile | roh: thanks |
| 21:49.46 | cga | mmontour, so why is 2008.08 rootfs something like 68MB? |
| 21:49.51 | cga | damn i got an error |
| 21:49.54 | cga | -84 |
| 21:50.04 | cga | i want to backup fisrt |
| 21:51.39 | mmontour | AFAIK dfu-util -U backs up the whole partition, including free space. |
| 21:51.41 | Dave | grr |
| 21:51.53 | Dave | Lindi, any further thoughts? |
| 21:52.50 | cga | mmontour, i'm using dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a rootfs -R -U rootfs.jffs2 so it should backup only the selected item, isn't it? |
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| 21:53.38 | lindi- | Dave: xdpyinfo |
| 21:54.05 | weatherhead | anyone know how I can get tangogps to work under 2008.8 |
| 21:54.19 | mmontour | I don't think it's filesystem-aware - it'll just copy the whole rootfs partition. Maybe use rsync, or tar+netcat, or something else to do the backup |
| 21:55.02 | dTx | tangogps doesn't work under 2008.8? |
| 21:55.04 | dTx | dang |
| 21:55.32 | weatherhead | well I got it installed and it runs |
| 21:55.35 | weatherhead | but, |
| 21:55.39 | weatherhead | doesn't seem to work |
| 21:55.49 | Jarmund | what would be the fastest way of getting support for NTFS disks on my FR? |
| 21:55.56 | weatherhead | Jarmund: are you serious? |
| 21:56.01 | Jarmund | yes :( |
| 21:56.11 | xt | dTx: works for me |
| 21:56.24 | weatherhead | well, I imagine it would be possible with a bit of kernel hacking to get the ntfs-3g module to work... |
| 21:56.44 | Jarmund | weatherhead: i'm going offshore for a 5 week period, so i was planning on bringing the FR and my USB disk for entertainment, until i realized the disk was NTFS >_< |
| 21:56.48 | weatherhead | xt: do you have to do anything special? I can't get gpsd to strart |
| 21:57.06 | xt | did you install gpsd ? |
| 21:57.09 | weatherhead | I did |
| 21:57.23 | dTx | isn't there a FUSE ntfs module? |
| 21:57.24 | xt | maybe use apgsui to start |
| 21:57.25 | weatherhead | it says "can't run with neither control socket nor devices" |
| 21:58.00 | weatherhead | dTx: ah yes, I believe ther eis |
| 21:58.14 | Jarmund | dTx: explain, please? |
| 21:58.25 | Jarmund | hackable/portable to work with FR? |
| 21:58.26 | cga | mmontour, to partition the SD i need to ssh in neo while powered on? |
| 21:58.54 | weatherhead | do we have FUSE for freerunner? |
| 21:58.58 | mmontour | Yes, or put the SD card into a card reader on a PC |
| 21:58.59 | dTx | good question |
| 21:59.01 | dTx | :-P |
| 21:59.07 | cga | mmontour, thanks |
| 21:59.16 | weatherhead | because if so, then the port could be moderately easy |
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| 22:00.32 | mjr | dTx, yeah, ntfs-3g works through fuse |
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| 22:00.54 | weatherhead | does it? I thouht there was ntfs support in a kernel module |
| 22:01.02 | weatherhead | is that something different |
| 22:01.10 | mjr | it's different, and mostly read-only |
| 22:01.16 | weatherhead | ok |
| 22:01.18 | dTx | Jarmund: it would probably be much simpler to simply copy your stuff off the drive and reformat at ext2/3 or fat32 |
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| 22:01.34 | mwester | ntfs-3g is far better - but why would you ever need ntfs for a freerunner? |
| 22:01.36 | weatherhead | on that subject, will the freerunner mount reiserFS? |
| 22:01.55 | mwester | If you add a kernel and the modules, sure. |
| 22:02.00 | Jarmund | mwester: connecting an USB disk that unfortunately only was intended to be used on a windows-machine |
| 22:02.16 | Jarmund | dTx: thought about it, but i don't have the space to copy it elsewhere, or the time to re-download everything until i ship out |
| 22:02.22 | mwester | Ah, ok -- I thought we were discussing the internal SD card. |
| 22:02.38 | Jarmund | lol, no.. thanks god |
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| 22:02.45 | weatherhead | Jarmund: in which case, you also are unlikely to have time to hack reliable NTFS support into the freerunner |
| 22:02.51 | weatherhead | along with a fully working media player... |
| 22:03.03 | dTx | mplayer works doesn't it? |
| 22:03.14 | Jarmund | i have media player installed |
| 22:03.49 | dTx | I didn't think media player worked though |
| 22:03.53 | dTx | but I think mplayer does |
| 22:04.12 | spdr | hey, im trying to compile mokomakefile and its been running for ages..is that normal? |
| 22:04.20 | lindi- | spdr: yes |
| 22:04.31 | lindi- | spdr: it took 10 hours or so here |
| 22:05.07 | spdr | its been about 18 here :| |
| 22:05.17 | spdr | and still running ... |
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| 22:05.38 | spdr | stuck at 'NOTE: generating locale es_NI (UTF-8)' for a while |
| 22:06.20 | mmontour | spdr: you can turn off the locale generation with a build/conf/local.conf option. But yeah, it can take a long time on a slow PC |
| 22:07.08 | mmontour | Less than 3h on my new PC, but it took about 32h on my Via C7 box |
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| 22:08.06 | mwester | With locales disabled, and all sources already downloaded, the build for the old 2007.2 image takes about 6.5 hours on a dual-core 2.66 GHz P4 with 2GB RAM. The 2008.8 image takes longer, since the qtopia stuff cannot be built in parallel at all. |
| 22:08.52 | spdr | so i guess it should have been done :s |
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| 22:09.37 | spdr | qemu-arm is eating a lot of CPU |
| 22:10.08 | lpotter | normal qtopia can be built in parallel. |
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| 22:11.49 | dTx | so I flashed the 2008.8 firmware, now how can I access the terminal so I can setup my wifi? |
| 22:12.44 | dTx | any ideas |
| 22:12.54 | Jarmund | hmmm... is there someone i could hire to port ntfs-support for openmoko within tuesday? :P |
| 22:13.01 | Dave | :( |
| 22:13.03 | Jarmund | <-- lazy and new to porting |
| 22:13.05 | somnoliento | dTx: setup usb networking first, and install openmoko-terminal2 |
| 22:13.16 | SirBob1701 | Bus |
| 22:13.39 | dTx | how can I setup anything without terminal? |
| 22:14.00 | ajbrun | via ssh? |
| 22:14.05 | Dave | xdpyinfo is supposed to tell me what? |
| 22:14.06 | ajbrun | usb cable |
| 22:14.08 | ajbrun | for now |
| 22:14.33 | dTx | oh I forgot, usb networking is already on isn't it |
| 22:14.51 | ajbrun | on what? |
| 22:14.58 | dTx | the device |
| 22:14.59 | Jarmund | dTx: USB cable.. no need to access a terminal from your phone to use USB networking, it is already set up |
| 22:15.00 | somnoliento | dTx: yes, set it up in your pc |
| 22:15.24 | ajbrun | i don't think i've ever used the terminal on the phone yet |
| 22:15.26 | Jarmund | dTx: so stick that USB cable where the sun never shines (your USB port, hopefully) |
| 22:15.29 | ajbrun | much easier via ssh anyway |
| 22:15.57 | Jarmund | i use the terminal on the phone when i am using the phone in host mode |
| 22:16.00 | ajbrun | plugs his usb cable into the depths of yokshire |
| 22:16.06 | ajbrun | it is a dark dismal place |
| 22:16.11 | ajbrun | (at least today) |
| 22:16.59 | Jarmund | is it theoretically possible to port ntfs-support to openmoko within tuesday? |
| 22:17.13 | ajbrun | why the deadline? |
| 22:17.38 | Jarmund | my work is shipping me offshore, so i need it by then |
| 22:17.50 | Jarmund | my plan was FR + usb disk = entertainment |
| 22:18.19 | ajbrun | format the disk differently? |
| 22:18.51 | Jarmund | well, then i'd lose everything on it (don't have temp storage space elsewhere), so it would kinda defeat its purpose :/ |
| 22:19.31 | ajbrun | no idea then |
| 22:19.54 | Jarmund | i am seriously considering burning the stuff i need (well, want) on a dvd, and bringing the usb dvd reader instead, heh |
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| 22:22.28 | retracile | is toying with the idea of connecting the USB floppy drive to the FR |
| 22:22.37 | Jarmund | THAT would be awesomeness |
| 22:22.48 | Jarmund | well... completly useless, but still fun |
| 22:23.14 | cga | or buy a cheap external usb hdd |
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| 22:23.51 | Jarmund | well, since i'm already buying new storage then, i might as well stick to SD |
| 22:24.10 | Jarmund | looks up how much they cost and how big they come |
| 22:24.10 | cga | did you try a 16GB SD on the FR yet? |
| 22:24.26 | Jarmund | only tried the one that came with the FR |
| 22:24.28 | Jarmund | slow? |
| 22:24.39 | zash | cga: there is 16GB µSD? |
| 22:24.56 | Dave | is going crazy trying to get his keyboard to appear |
| 22:24.57 | cga | so i've heard |
| 22:25.19 | zash | cga: and it costs how many arms and legs? |
| 22:25.31 | cga | a couple of each i guess |
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| 22:26.24 | Jarmund | either i looked at the wrong product, or microSD are alot cheaper than anticipated |
| 22:26.32 | Jarmund | 369 NOK for 8Gb |
| 22:26.43 | Jarmund | (divide by 5, and you get it in USD) |
| 22:27.13 | Tanuva | I just paid 16⬠for 2gig a few days ago (germany) |
| 22:27.37 | Jarmund | which currency is 6âB¬ ? |
| 22:27.38 | mjr | Jarmund, sounds about right |
| 22:27.42 | Jarmund | (yay for my terminal) |
| 22:27.53 | mjr | euro |
| 22:27.56 | Jarmund | ok |
| 22:28.08 | zash | Jarmund: ⬠== euro |
| 22:28.08 | Jarmund | i'm getting a new sd card on monday, then |
| 22:28.19 | zash | pgup is dangeours |
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| 22:29.40 | retracile | Jarmund: hrm. io error. But it _is_ an old 720k, so it may just be the disk.. |
| 22:30.44 | Jarmund | retracile: heh, the floppy? |
| 22:30.50 | retracile | Jarmund: yep :) |
| 22:30.58 | Jarmund | ok |
| 22:31.09 | retracile | Yeah, it was just the floppy... the next one worked. |
| 22:31.16 | Jarmund | cool |
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| 22:31.27 | retracile | It's hooked to the FR via a powered hub, but still... |
| 22:31.29 | retracile | giggles |
| 22:33.17 | Jarmund | now you can have external memory with about one thousandth of the internal memory |
| 22:33.35 | Jarmund | while still taking up twice the physical space than what the entire phone does |
| 22:33.40 | Jarmund | i salute you :D |
| 22:33.54 | Jarmund | ok, my grammar probably failed horribly, but it should be understandable.. |
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| 22:34.47 | Jarmund | hmm.. what's the difference between microSD and microSDHC? |
| 22:34.57 | retracile | HC = high capacity |
| 22:35.07 | retracile | (ie 4+GB, I think) |
| 22:35.13 | Dave | what are you busy with now, retracile? :] |
| 22:35.17 | Jarmund | ok.. so it's microSD with a fancy name, then |
| 22:35.22 | retracile | Dave: many things. |
| 22:35.34 | mjr | not just a fancy name, a different addressing mode, which allows >2G cards |
| 22:35.54 | mjr | you'll notice how it isn't just a fancy name if you try to use an sdhc card in a plain sd reader |
| 22:35.56 | retracile | Dave: one of which is taking the couple hundred floppies of old data I have and archiving them. So I got a USB floppy drive. And hooked it up to the FR for grins. |
| 22:37.05 | mjr | retracile, w00t :] |
| 22:37.35 | Dave | wow |
| 22:37.45 | Dave | retracile, funny, I was just thinking about that the other day :D |
| 22:38.25 | spydon | retracile, how do you put the fr to use the usb in host mode, I cant find it on the wiki... |
| 22:38.53 | retracile | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_USB_host |
| 22:39.14 | Dave | yep :D |
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| 22:39.24 | Dave | I was getting a webcam and usb wifi to work with it :) |
| 22:39.26 | Dave | on a hub |
| 22:39.33 | retracile | spydon: I'm also doing "ifconfig usb0 down " before the two echo statements given. |
| 22:39.47 | retracile | (and wrote a small script with the set of 3, and the inverse.) |
| 22:40.07 | spydon | retracile, thx :) |
| 22:40.11 | tim_abell | w00t. 2008.8 installed |
| 22:41.23 | retracile | spydon: To go back to usb device mode: echo "0" > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode && echo "device" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode && ifconfig usb0 up |
| 22:41.46 | spydon | retracile, okay |
| 22:41.50 | tim_abell | can I remove the note about 64bit not working on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util seeing as it worked fine on mine (ubuntu 8.04, 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP Fri Jul 11 21:01:46 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux) |
| 22:41.59 | Jarmund | hmm.. i never bothered taking the usb0 down when doing that.. and it works fine |
| 22:43.02 | Tanuva | tim_abell: you could add a note that it works for you, if they're getting more, one could remove it :) |
| 22:43.12 | Dave | wish I could get my keyboard to magically appear! |
| 22:44.16 | Jarmund | last question about porting, and i'll stop the nagging: is there a port of nmap that would work on the FR? |
| 22:44.46 | retracile | Dave: using the matchbox keyboard? |
| 22:45.03 | Dave | yeah but i'm in a fullscreen app |
| 22:45.05 | dTx | what happened to that page that showed how to use wpa supplicant with the standard debian interfaces file |
| 22:45.12 | Dave | and I need the keyboard to appear :| |
| 22:45.16 | retracile | Ahhh.... |
| 22:45.27 | Dave | because there is no way to emulate a keypress otherwise :| |
| 22:45.45 | Dave | and I was kind of hoping there was a way to make it appear on the screen so that I could send a keypress :p |
| 22:46.02 | retracile | Dave: So grab yourself a usb keyboard and help us figure out how to get it working in X. ;) |
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| 22:46.23 | Dave | heh :p |
| 22:46.29 | Dave | I think I may own ONE |
| 22:46.31 | Dave | :P |
| 22:46.40 | Marcel_M | Jarmund: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/nmap_3.81-r2_armv4t.ipk |
| 22:46.54 | Jarmund | Marcel_M: thanks again |
| 22:47.02 | Marcel_M | :) |
| 22:47.13 | Dave | Retracile, why would it be so difficult? |
| 22:47.16 | tim_abell | hrm. that 64bit thing was only added today. anyone here go by the name of Qhartman? |
| 22:47.42 | retracile | Dave: the keyboard works on the console, but not in X, and I don't know why yet. |
| 22:47.47 | tim_abell | they seem to have added the warning but with no explanation or bug report |
| 22:47.52 | Dave | Ohhh! |
| 22:47.53 | Dave | right :) |
| 22:47.54 | retracile | s/keyboard/usb keyboard/ |
| 22:47.56 | Dave | makes sense |
| 22:47.59 | Dave | yeah |
| 22:48.01 | Dave | apt shush |
| 22:48.02 | apt | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 22:48.06 | Dave | :) |
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| 22:48.29 | tim_abell | I'm inclined to just remove it with a note requesting a trac # |
| 22:48.35 | Dave | retracile, blame glamo for everything |
| 22:48.36 | retracile | Well, I've gotta run. Maybe I can work on this some more later. |
| 22:48.38 | Dave | That's what I do :) |
| 22:48.39 | retracile | waves |
| 22:48.43 | Dave | waves |
| 22:48.47 | tim_abell | then if Qhartman objects they can respond |
| 22:49.01 | tim_abell | what do you reckon Tanuva? |
| 22:50.20 | dingman | anyone here know the device node name for the microsd on a FreeRunner? |
| 22:50.47 | mjr | mmc* |
| 22:51.06 | dingman | huh. I don't have any such |
| 22:51.22 | dingman | udev is running... |
| 22:51.31 | Dave | :| |
| 22:52.50 | si-m1 | dingman: 179, 0 |
| 22:53.41 | dingman | root@om-gta02:~# mknod /dev/mmc b 179 0 |
| 22:53.46 | dingman | fdisk: cannot open /dev/mmc |
| 22:54.01 | si-m1 | strange |
| 22:54.13 | si-m1 | that's what mine is |
| 22:54.37 | dingman | Major and minor numbers are assigned statically to drivers in the kernel, so they should match. |
| 22:55.07 | dingman | Unless the hardware is different enough to need different drivers, that is. |
| 22:55.15 | si-m1 | brw-r----- 1 root disk 179, 0 Aug 9 08:12 /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 22:56.56 | dingman | yup, matches up with what I just created. |
| 22:57.15 | dingman | which means the problem is deeper than a broken udev rule. |
| 22:57.42 | SirBob1701 | \leave |
| 22:57.45 | SirBob1701 | err sorry |
| 22:57.58 | fenfir | is there anyway to get a bt headset to work with freerunner, only instrunction on the wiki are for the neo and don't work |
| 22:58.01 | dingman | you know what driver is associated with the mmc device? |
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| 22:58.27 | dingman | fenfir: BlueZ oughta be the same, from what I understand. |
| 22:58.47 | lindi- | dingman: ./build/tmp/work/om-gta02-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-openmoko-2_2.6.24+git0+d4b28ec4e2818207cc0e48b90dbce581e0b779e7-r2/git/drivers/mmc/card? |
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| 22:59.24 | fenfir | dingman: bluez isn't the issue i don't think i can connect the headset i just can't get audio through it, it is an alsa configuration problem |
| 22:59.42 | fenfir | dingman: for the neo there was a gsmbluetooth.state file, but there isn't one for freerunner |
| 23:00.08 | dingman | lindi-, I don't have a local build tree. You know the name of the .ko it compiles to? |
| 23:00.26 | dingman | fenfir, Ah. Then I'm going to run into a similar problem later today :) |
| 23:01.03 | lindi- | dingman: it doesn't |
| 23:01.13 | lindi- | $ grep MMC ./build/tmp/staging/om-gta02-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/kernel/config-2.6.24 |
| 23:01.16 | lindi- | CONFIG_MMC=y |
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| 23:01.55 | dingman | OK |
| 23:01.56 | Dave | lindi, what specifics am I looking for in xdpyinfo that could help me? :) |
| 23:02.00 | dingman | lindi-, thanks. |
| 23:02.19 | lindi- | Dave: i was just wondering if accessing X worked at all |
| 23:02.20 | dingman | that nicely answers the question of whether I needed to modprobe it :) |
| 23:02.54 | Marcel_M | Jarmund: still here? |
| 23:03.09 | Jarmund | yep |
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| 23:03.39 | Jarmund | Marcel_M: meep |
| 23:03.52 | Marcel_M | dont know if they are working if you like you can test http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/misc/ntfs-3g/ |
| 23:04.08 | si-m1 | dingman: i get the following messages about mmc after boot: http://lart.no/lpaste/gr3dr/ |
| 23:04.11 | Jarmund | thanks again |
| 23:04.29 | Jarmund | Marcel_M: i'll buy a beer and mail it to you if this works |
| 23:04.56 | Marcel_M | :) |
| 23:05.33 | dingman | am I just being too gentle, or is there a lock holding the SD card in that I'm not releasing? |
| 23:06.00 | fenfir_ | i think you just gotta tug on it a bit, mine scares me too in that respect |
| 23:06.02 | si-m1 | there are one on each side |
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| 23:06.17 | si-m1 | if you flip it from the middle it should snap out |
| 23:06.39 | Jarmund | Marcel_M: should i go for the dev or the dbg? |
| 23:06.56 | si-m1 | there's a picture in the getting started in the wiki |
| 23:07.01 | dingman | si-m1, thanks, got it |
| 23:07.11 | dingman | Gonna check in my laptop to make sure the card is OK |
| 23:07.16 | Marcel_M | i'd use the normal ones |
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| 23:08.12 | Jarmund | Marcel_M: uhm, yeah, that's the thing.. opkg is the first package system i've used (i'm more used to /usr/ports).. so which one is "the normal one"? O_o |
| 23:08.44 | hipitihop_ | morning all, last night I FDISKed my standard SD which came with FR with ext3 so that I can put 2008.8 on it but there seem to be some suggestion that I was better to use ext2. Suggestions ? |
| 23:08.46 | dingman | si-m1, seems to be something wrong with my card :( |
| 23:08.52 | Marcel_M | use the non -dev or dbg ones |
| 23:09.06 | Jarmund | Marcel_M: ok, ty |
| 23:09.06 | dingman | When I put it in the laptop, I get"[524705.911651] mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card" |
| 23:09.15 | Marcel_M | dont forget to depmod -a after you installed the fuse-module |
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| 23:09.19 | si-m1 | oh, well, thats cheaper/easier to replace then the phone atleast :p |
| 23:09.28 | dingman | That's for sure. |
| 23:09.55 | dingman | But given my schedule it makes it hard to set up a dual-boot with my current setup and QTopia before I head for Chicago tomorrow. |
| 23:10.44 | si-m1 | hmm |
| 23:10.49 | ajehals | hello folks, does anyone know what I need to do to get audio with mplayer on openmoko? I note that /dev/dsp seems to be busy, aoss doesnt help although audio from anything else works fine.. |
| 23:11.05 | si-m1 | set it to use alsa |
| 23:12.04 | si-m1 | the mplayer package from angstrom should work out of the box |
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| 23:12.46 | ajehals | si-m1 it is the mplayer package from angstrom... |
| 23:13.19 | si-m1 | k.. i just ran mplayer -nocache <some webradio> and it started playing after a while |
| 23:13.36 | ajehals | si-m1 it plays, video is fine, just no audio.. |
| 23:13.36 | dingman | si-m1, more complicated. When I remove and re-add the sdhci module, it shows up fine. |
| 23:14.15 | dingman | And now I can hotplug it just fine. |
| 23:14.23 | si-m1 | strange |
| 23:15.00 | si-m1 | ajehals: tried -ao alsa ? |
| 23:15.05 | mmaestri | anyone using navit? |
| 23:15.33 | ajehals | si-m1 yeah, and also using aoss, Ill grab a bare image and try from there again... |
| 23:15.40 | si-m1 | k |
| 23:16.20 | si-m1 | heh, pulseaudio is idleing at 10% cpu |
| 23:17.29 | lindi- | si-m1: see trac, i have a workaround |
| 23:17.37 | si-m1 | ah, nice |
| 23:19.14 | Jarmund | w00t |
| 23:19.25 | Jarmund | Marcel_M: ok, it installed nicely.. now i'll see if i can make it work |
| 23:19.45 | Marcel_M | *crossingfingers* |
| 23:21.10 | Jarmund | i'm crossing fingers, toes, every hear, as well as crossing my nose with my dick at the moment |
| 23:21.11 | Dave | lindi, and does it? :P |
| 23:21.24 | Dave | since xdpyinfo returned a wealth of info I would presume so...? |
| 23:21.44 | Zorkman | Jarmund: what have you installed? |
| 23:22.02 | Jarmund | Zorkman: ntfs-3g |
| 23:22.03 | lindi- | Dave: yep |
| 23:22.12 | Zorkman | is kickin the APA citation rules with a large trout |
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| 23:23.00 | Zorkman | Jarmund: that is to be able to use ntfs format no? why do you want that on your FR if I may ask? |
| 23:23.20 | Zorkman | seen anything new and/or interesting today dave? |
| 23:23.22 | Jarmund | Zorkman: because ih ave a 500Gb USB disk that i want to use with my FR when i'm not using it on my workstation |
| 23:23.53 | Zorkman | good point |
| 23:24.15 | Dave | lindi, cool, but any further advise or path I could go down to try to accomplish it, or do you think it is hopeless? :( |
| 23:24.22 | Dave | hei zorkmann :] |
| 23:24.27 | zash | what? ntfs on an external disk? |
| 23:24.33 | zash | that's just stupid |
| 23:24.35 | Zorkman | Marcel_M: are you the owner of the rabenfrost celltune feed? |
| 23:25.01 | Jarmund | zash: the disk was never intended to be used on anything else than win32 machines |
| 23:25.05 | Marcel_M | yes its my feed on josc h's server |
| 23:25.50 | Zorkman | then I want to thank you, because that feed has come in very handy about 10zillion times |
| 23:26.03 | lindi- | Dave: reading source of matchbox keyboard? are you even using matchbox? |
| 23:26.10 | zash | Jarmund: my largest harddrive is ntfs .. it is now in a xubuntu maschine, and i cant reformat it because it is full of stuff, and i have no where to back it up to |
| 23:26.30 | Jarmund | zash: that's pretty much my case too |
| 23:26.41 | Marcel_M | oh thank you very much its nice to hear that its usefull :) |
| 23:26.52 | Jarmund | Since i will be spending the next 5 weeks on a ship, i decided to bring my FR for entertainment, and preferably with a crapload of music and audio books as well (well.. video too, but i'm not sure how well that works on the FR for the time being (?) ) |
| 23:27.34 | Dave | lindi, huh? |
| 23:27.47 | Zorkman | Jarmund: music goes good enough |
| 23:27.53 | SirBob1701 | ok we get the contacts from the simcard as it is with names. so how hard could it really be to put the name on a phonecall or text instead of the number. don't know about you guys but i don't have everyones number memorized |
| 23:28.09 | Jarmund | Zorkman: yep, tested that. |
| 23:28.16 | Dave | lindi, yes I have matchbox-keyboard installed, I even added a taskbar icon for it :) |
| 23:28.26 | Dave | too bad it doesn't appear in full screen apps though :( |
| 23:28.38 | Dave | and I can't switch out to try any tricky tricks |
| 23:29.31 | ajehals | OK thats strange, when I lauch mplayer via a remote ssh session audio works fine, if I do it from a terminal (same command) I have no audio... Any ideas? |
| 23:30.59 | Dave | Zorkmann |
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| 23:31.43 | data_jepp | Hi, anyone know where i can download libmokoui2 for Arch? |
| 23:32.00 | jomat | Is there somewhere a package to handle obex on om2007? |
| 23:34.17 | Zorkman | ajehals: works both for me.... |
| 23:34.39 | Tig| | jomat: I am not aware of one sorry |
| 23:34.47 | ajehals | Even wierder, if I launch mplayer from a local ssh session (i.e. ssh from the PDA to the PDA at localhost) I get audio but not from remote... I wonder if this is a permissions thing with my set up... |
| 23:34.58 | abraxa_ | data_jepp: What is "Arch"? |
| 23:35.43 | data_jepp | linux distro :p |
| 23:35.49 | Zorkman | arch=posessing more spells than usual, see Archmage |
| 23:35.53 | data_jepp | nevermind! |
| 23:36.10 | Dave | braaaaaaaaaaa |
| 23:36.25 | data_jepp | Just the source for libmokoui2 since its bitches about not finding it when i try to compile stuff |
| 23:36.28 | Dave | throws his keyboard at retracile |
| 23:36.51 | abraxa_ | data_jepp: svn.openmoko.org/target/src/OM-2007.2/ |
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| 23:37.08 | Zorkman | gonna go sleep, bye everybody |
| 23:37.40 | Dave | :o |
| 23:37.43 | Dave | truste |
| 23:37.51 | jomat | Ok, thx. I've another question: I want to back up all my SMS. I've stopped gsmd with the init-script and tried to connect to /dev/ttySAC0 with cu, but it says "permission denied" and "line in use". I try it as root, and fuser /dev/ttySAC0 looks clean... |
| 23:38.05 | jomat | waves ZzZzZzzzzZorkman |
| 23:40.05 | Jarmund | Marcel_M: i love you as much as it is heterosexually posible |
| 23:40.23 | Jarmund | it works :D |
| 23:40.50 | Dave | hahah oh gawd |
| 23:40.53 | Marcel_M | yeah great! |
| 23:41.06 | Marcel_M | thanks for testing :) |
| 23:41.23 | Dave | Jarmund, as much as daily openmoko updates? ;) |
| 23:41.32 | Jarmund | Dave: better |
| 23:41.49 | Dave | ;D |
| 23:42.06 | Marcel_M | jomat: obex -> http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/misc/ |
| 23:42.29 | Jarmund | oh god, no >_< |
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| 23:42.39 | si-m1 | lindi-: nice, the workaround worked nicely |
| 23:42.52 | Jarmund | i was going to create a playlist for testing, but accidently added the entire harddrive instead of just one song, lol |
| 23:43.20 | Tig| | Jarmund: /dev/urandom is a classic tune :) |
| 23:43.22 | ajehals | Jarmund - dont worry you are not alone... |
| 23:43.30 | lindi- | si-m1: you wouldn't happen to have usb keyboard working? ;) |
| 23:43.56 | jomat | Thanks. |
| 23:44.45 | jomat | Yeah, they also have numptyphysics! *smile* |
| 23:44.48 | xmpp | if i under |
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| 23:44.58 | xmpp | *sorry |
| 23:45.14 | Marcel_M | :) |
| 23:45.39 | xmpp | if i understand correctly, SHR is really what i want on my FreeRunner... |
| 23:46.23 | si-m1 | lindi-: working on what? =) |
| 23:46.47 | xmpp | SHR is not available yet so we now wait or contribute 'til it's released |
| 23:46.49 | lindi- | si-m1: on freerunner |
| 23:46.52 | lindi- | si-m1: under X |
| 23:47.01 | si-m1 | nope, not really |
| 23:47.05 | lindi- | xmpp: ok |
| 23:47.13 | lindi- | xmpp: and try to figure out how to compile it ;) |
| 23:47.15 | jOERG_rw | Dave: hi |
| 23:47.20 | Jarmund | next FR-project of pervertion: getting USB soundcard up and working properly |
| 23:47.37 | Dave | Hi Joerg!! :) |
| 23:48.19 | Dave | How are you doing, Joerg? |
| 23:48.37 | jOERG_rw | hungry :-) time for |
| 23:48.41 | jOERG_rw | err breakfast |
| 23:48.48 | jOERG_rw | dinner ? |
| 23:49.17 | Dave | which one is it!? |
| 23:49.28 | Tig| | pick a timezone or use $food :) |
| 23:49.31 | Dave | I always thing you are in your own unique timezone, Joerg! |
| 23:49.34 | Dave | yeah :P |
| 23:49.34 | Dave | haha |
| 23:49.35 | jOERG_rw | the first one for last 12h |
| 23:49.48 | Dave | sends jOERG_rw SIGFOOD |
| 23:50.35 | Tig| | that could cause him to crash out with a pizza, I hope you know what you are doing :) |
| 23:50.42 | jOERG_rw | trap "cat >/dev/null" SIGFOOD |
| 23:51.11 | Dave | aww :[ |
| 23:51.21 | Dave | how wasteful! |
| 23:51.29 | Dave | steals joerg's electrons |
| 23:51.40 | Dave | all your coulumbs are belong to me! |
| 23:51.43 | jOERG_rw | >:-[ |
| 23:51.52 | Dave | shit, speaking of which, I wish my batteries would charge all the way :( |
| 23:51.58 | jOERG_rw | all your base are belong to us |
| 23:52.08 | Dave | all our power issues are belong to you :) |
| 23:52.13 | Dave | :D |
| 23:52.21 | Dave | (whether you like it or not) |
| 23:52.23 | Tig| | erm do yours only seemingly charge to 90% too? |
| 23:52.33 | Dave | tig, no, worse |
| 23:52.40 | Tig| | ah :( |
| 23:52.42 | Dave | two of mine max out at 35% and 58% |
| 23:52.47 | Dave | respectively |
| 23:52.54 | Tig| | erk :( |
| 23:53.00 | Dave | yeah it's pretty terrible |
| 23:53.01 | jOERG_rw | reading of culoumb ? |
| 23:53.17 | Dave | what's worse, is when I switch the batteries, they charge up more, but stop after another low level |
| 23:53.21 | Dave | like 73% or something |
| 23:53.22 | Dave | o_O |
| 23:53.25 | Dave | very strange |
| 23:53.34 | jOERG_rw | yup |
| 23:53.34 | Dave | checked the terminal voltage too :x |
| 23:53.58 | Dave | oh yeah joerg, did you see my monitor story from earlier? |
| 23:54.10 | jOERG_rw | who tells they are stopping to charge? |
| 23:54.19 | jOERG_rw | monitor - nope |
| 23:54.22 | Dave | joerg, they begin discharging! |
| 23:54.25 | Dave | that is how I know! |
| 23:54.32 | jOERG_rw | says who |
| 23:54.49 | Dave | coulomb counter |
| 23:54.54 | jOERG_rw | hmmm |
| 23:54.57 | Dave | it goes down... until it dies :P |
| 23:55.03 | Dave | I'd say it's correct :P |
| 23:55.17 | Dave | or it stays at a specific lower level |
| 23:55.18 | jOERG_rw | probably we really have to tackle this proble |
| 23:55.19 | Dave | which it reports |
| 23:55.33 | Dave | Joerg, and it's weird how I switch phones and it charges it a little more, but then stops |
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| 23:55.57 | Dave | it keeps it above 50% but never gets more than say 58 or 59% or spec'ed max |
| 23:56.02 | Jarmund | how well does video playback work on FR? |
| 23:56.06 | jOERG_rw | so what's not charging? specific phone or specific batery? |
| 23:56.19 | Jarmund | if "decent" { which players are recommended? mplayer? } |
| 23:56.26 | Dave | joerg, well, good question, I have two batteries which don't charge up all the way that they should |
| 23:56.33 | Dave | I have switched them between phones and charging methods today |
| 23:56.38 | Dave | and yesterday, with no luck |
| 23:56.39 | jOERG_rw | on same phone? |
| 23:56.46 | abraxa_ | Jarmund: http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ |
| 23:56.54 | Dave | should I try more than two phones? |
| 23:57.00 | Dave | musical battiers -_-; |
| 23:57.00 | jOERG_rw | nope |
| 23:57.03 | Dave | batteries |
| 23:57.15 | Dave | I figured with two phones it rules out that one phone has charging problems, right? |
| 23:57.25 | jOERG_rw | right |
| 23:57.37 | Dave | I was going to completely discharge it |
| 23:57.47 | Dave | but wasn't sure that was the best option, as the problem may occur agan |
| 23:57.54 | Dave | again |
| 23:58.13 | jOERG_rw | maybe coulumb counter is wrong? |
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| 23:58.38 | Dave | o_O |
| 23:58.40 | Dave | Impossible!? |
| 23:58.45 | jOERG_rw | at least for xx% charge status |
| 23:58.46 | rooly|away | no, i did it |
| 23:58.58 | Dave | rooly, you did what? |
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| 23:59.02 | rooly|away | nothing |
| 23:59.04 | Dave | -_- |
| 23:59.05 | rooly|away | just saying it |
| 23:59.08 | Dave | being unruly |
| 23:59.09 | Dave | -_-; |
| 23:59.22 | rooly|away | it does have it's advantages |
| 23:59.52 | jOERG_rw | Dave: counter has to reset when known state of bat is reached. otherwise it counts crap |
| 23:59.57 | rooly|away | is there anywhere i can find a damned jvm? |
