| 00:02.26 | ozzloy | i have the qtopia media player working, but the volume is _really_ loud. how do i turn it down? |
| 00:03.55 | railer | pull the ear phone slightly out of your ear? |
| 00:04.13 | ozzloy | heh, that's what i did for now |
| 00:04.25 | ozzloy | as long as i'm sitting at my desk, i should be fine |
| 00:04.45 | railer | hold on looking, there is a mixer you can add |
| 00:05.15 | ozzloy | railer: nm, i got it |
| 00:05.16 | railer | installed but not tried |
| 00:05.30 | ozzloy | you tap the progress bar and it turns into a volume bar |
| 00:05.38 | xhrit | why cant i use the fish ioslave to log on to the freerunner? |
| 00:05.54 | xhrit | i mean, i can, but when ever i try and do something it bombs out... |
| 00:07.04 | ozzloy | actually it's still pretty loud even though i have it almost all the way down |
| 00:08.25 | darmou | will there be a 3g neo freerunner for the consumer release? |
| 00:08.59 | ozzloy | darmou: maybe the next hardware release |
| 00:09.51 | Dave | yo railer |
| 00:10.46 | kd8ikt | oh yeah my spare nokia battery just saved my butt |
| 00:10.46 | rooly | whew |
| 00:10.48 | rooly | almost killed his battery |
| 00:10.51 | Dave | cay dee eight |
| 00:10.56 | kd8ikt | me2 rooly |
| 00:11.02 | Dave | holy exploding batteries batman! |
| 00:11.02 | rooly | i was lucky tho |
| 00:11.10 | rooly | i plugged it into my laptop and tried booting twice |
| 00:11.13 | rooly | got it on the 2nd round |
| 00:11.36 | kd8ikt | On-line, battery status critical: 4% (45d+12:15:00) |
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| 00:11.57 | rooly | what's the battery command? |
| 00:12.04 | kd8ikt | apm |
| 00:12.41 | Dave | battery command? o_O |
| 00:12.49 | kd8ikt | (a)dvanced (p)ower (m)anagement |
| 00:13.03 | Dave | What's all this about battery shit? |
| 00:13.24 | kd8ikt | nothin |
| 00:14.03 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 00:14.44 | kd8ikt | Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye -HAL 9000 |
| 00:14.58 | kgoetz | hhe |
| 00:15.11 | kd8ikt | Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over. |
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| 00:16.39 | brian|lfs | this sucks |
| 00:16.47 | brian|lfs | my openmoko still don't turn on |
| 00:17.30 | kd8ikt | overly discharged the batt |
| 00:17.39 | xhrit | lame |
| 00:17.40 | xhrit | Wôÿ |
| 00:17.40 | xhrit | ÿÿ |
| 00:17.41 | xhrit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.52 | brian|lfs | maybe no clue |
| 00:18.05 | kd8ikt | have a nokia phone with a similar batt? |
| 00:18.06 | xhrit | i have a 0kb file named that in /home/root |
| 00:18.09 | si-m1 | try the vulcan mind meld: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/003458.html |
| 00:18.44 | brian|lfs | I didn't what was susgest took the battery out and put it back in and no luck |
| 00:18.57 | brian|lfs | I left it alone a few hours |
| 00:19.15 | rooly | hrm |
| 00:19.23 | rooly | having trouble ssh-ing into mah phone |
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| 00:20.27 | kd8ikt | .168.0.202 |
| 00:20.35 | kd8ikt | yeah sometimes my phone wont bring up the usb interface so i have to manually through the phones console type "ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 |
| 00:21.09 | SirBob1701 | ha i just wrote a script to do that lol so i just run that then ssh |
| 00:21.10 | rooly | ic |
| 00:21.30 | rooly | oh, dur |
| 00:21.35 | kd8ikt | if thats what you meanmaybe ifup usb0 would also do the trick |
| 00:21.36 | rooly | no wonder, it's just excessively slow is all |
| 00:21.51 | rooly | the power part is taking up most of the communication |
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| 00:22.52 | UndrWater | where are the .desktop files located? |
| 00:23.03 | brian|lfs | should I try a blackberry ac adaptor I would think it would have to be the same voltage |
| 00:23.22 | mmaestri | UndrWater: /usr/share/Applications/ |
| 00:23.27 | Dave | beats kd8ikt with his c64 |
| 00:24.01 | rooly | 8% |
| 00:24.08 | rooly | (4:25:00) |
| 00:24.11 | UndrWater | mmaestri: thanks...for me it was /usr/share/applications ;) |
| 00:24.21 | kd8ikt | what was that for dave |
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| 00:26.45 | mmaestri | damn case sensitive shell...:p |
| 00:27.49 | SirBob1701 | mmaestri: damn windows people |
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| 00:28.00 | koenigjm | *is learning about how the OS runs on openmoko* so all the OS files exits on flash memory in the phone and the mSD cards are just used for extra storage? |
| 00:29.09 | rooly | yes |
| 00:29.09 | balrog-k1n | in the default set up, yes |
| 00:29.17 | rooly | however, you can do special things |
| 00:29.18 | balrog-k1n | you can invert this situation easily |
| 00:29.19 | UndrWater | koenigjm: yes...as long as you aren't booting into SD |
| 00:29.21 | rooly | wants an lvm |
| 00:29.57 | koenigjm | Ah ok, is there advantages booting to mSD over the other? or is it mostly and experimentation thing? |
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| 00:30.15 | brian|lfs | is there a reutrn policy for dead on arriveal |
| 00:30.43 | Dave | kd8ikt for your fucking hal reference! |
| 00:30.50 | Dave | grawrs |
| 00:32.02 | railer | r Hey Dave |
| 00:32.49 | Dave | yo yo yo |
| 00:32.49 | rooly | koenigjm, it's so you can have 2 phone OS's at once usually |
| 00:32.50 | rooly | or 3 |
| 00:32.52 | rooly | or 4 |
| 00:32.55 | rooly | or 5 |
| 00:33.39 | mmaestri | SirBob1701: without windows people we wouldn't have the measure of things done wrong... |
| 00:33.42 | koenigjm | *nod nod* ok |
| 00:33.44 | railer | how goes the phone hacking |
| 00:34.12 | Dave | more like breaking |
| 00:34.14 | Dave | though yeah |
| 00:34.18 | Dave | quite well actually :) |
| 00:34.23 | Dave | also melting :p |
| 00:34.32 | railer | me too hot here |
| 00:34.43 | railer | 3 days +30 |
| 00:35.08 | rooly | whew! |
| 00:35.16 | rooly | 19,000 files to DL in tangogps |
| 00:35.17 | Dave | geeze |
| 00:35.22 | Dave | hahaha |
| 00:35.28 | Dave | that's nothing :) |
| 00:35.32 | kd8ikt | so did the xserver fix make it into the daily-feed yet? |
| 00:35.42 | aggtrfrad | im looking for a good keypad, soething like the one from debian |
| 00:35.42 | rooly | i hope it did |
| 00:35.43 | Dave | xserver fix? |
| 00:35.50 | Dave | with respect to the pointer glitch? |
| 00:35.58 | Dave | which has yet to be fixed. |
| 00:35.58 | kd8ikt | yes |
| 00:36.05 | kd8ikt | its fixed |
| 00:36.11 | Dave | oh snap? |
| 00:36.13 | rooly | finds that gtk apps using the om2008.8 are quite glitchy |
| 00:36.42 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.04 | cjb | Dave: fixed that last night. |
| 00:37.05 | Dave | BLAMO! |
| 00:37.14 | Dave | cjb, vondeful! |
| 00:37.26 | cjb | takes a bow. |
| 00:37.32 | rooly | what's the fix for gps again? |
| 00:37.45 | cjb | rooly: update kernel? |
| 00:38.17 | rooly | no, something about chaning a /dev/ttyblah to /dev/ttySAC1 somewhere |
| 00:38.39 | cjb | oh, that's on the GPS wiki page |
| 00:39.05 | Dave | :) |
| 00:39.33 | Dave | beers cjb |
| 00:40.10 | mmaestri | have any of you seen this? http://gizmodo.com/5034122/guy-buys-999-im-rich-app-discovers-hes-just-dumb |
| 00:40.22 | mmaestri | iphone people is quite funny |
| 00:41.13 | mmaestri | or should i say dumb? |
| 00:42.00 | leinir | A bit of both :) |
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| 00:42.42 | rooly | my brother uses an iphone |
| 00:42.46 | rooly | i showed him my phone |
| 00:42.51 | rooly | he's all like "meh" |
| 00:43.03 | rooly | and i harp on him how crappy his phone's OS is every time i can |
| 00:43.05 | rooly | seriously |
| 00:43.25 | rooly | who lets the web browser take root control via a damned image plugin!? |
| 00:43.36 | trix | my friend's iphone completely crashed as he was trying to show me a "more cowbell" program he got from the app store. |
| 00:43.43 | rooly | lol |
| 00:43.44 | leinir | Who lets the browser run under the root user, seriously? |
| 00:43.51 | lloyd_fedora | how stable is the software in the freerunner |
| 00:43.54 | leinir | ...oh wait, that'd be OpenMoko ;) |
| 00:43.58 | rooly | not, lloyd_fedora |
| 00:44.10 | leinir | lloyd_fedora: It isn't :) |
| 00:44.20 | rooly | unless your one of us crazy hackers |
| 00:44.29 | leinir | Well, run Qtopia and it's stable (that stack is a few years old now), but the official stack(s) aren't :) |
| 00:44.44 | rooly | as a phone, qtopia's stack is the best |
| 00:44.45 | mmaestri | i guess that having an iphone is like 4 minutes of joy, and then, oh the boredom |
| 00:44.50 | rooly | heheh |
| 00:44.57 | rooly | iphone1 games were in html |
| 00:45.00 | rooly | yuck |
| 00:45.17 | rooly | you had to connect to the internet to play minesweeper |
| 00:45.51 | railer | ok new starting background please: http://knowfree.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/047017469201l.jpg |
| 00:46.00 | mmaestri | and its bluetooth stack... |
| 00:46.05 | ozzloy | is there a brctl package for the freerunner? |
| 00:46.13 | railer | it's a real book |
| 00:46.18 | mmontour | lloyd_fedora: to steal a phrase from another place, "Imagine a stegosaurus wearing rocket-powered roller skates and you'll get a fair idea of its elegance, stability, and ease of crash recovery" |
| 00:47.09 | trix | railer, i looked it up.. i guess i shouldn't be surprised. |
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| 00:47.15 | lloyd_fedora | lol |
| 00:48.22 | rooly | but if your a crazy hacker |
| 00:48.30 | rooly | who wants to be able to steal cia data with your phone |
| 00:48.32 | aggtrfrad | Paris 4 president! |
| 00:48.34 | railer | anyone else catch the redundancy? |
| 00:48.35 | rooly | or shutdown the power plant |
| 00:48.56 | rooly | i caught it railer |
| 00:49.19 | rooly | goes find his blog ftp's password... |
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| 00:56.32 | mmaestri | where is 2008.8??????? |
| 00:56.45 | rooly | will find it for you |
| 00:57.34 | mmaestri | is desperate for having a stable stack to hack |
| 00:57.37 | rooly | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/ is about as close as you get |
| 00:58.27 | rwhitby | trouble is that's not ASU - buildhost builds from the wrong branch for ASU |
| 00:58.35 | kgoetz | ASU? |
| 00:58.37 | rwhitby | but you're right, it's the closest online image |
| 00:58.53 | rooly | goes attempt to get free food |
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| 00:59.57 | kgoetz | ah, asu. *nod*. looked it up |
| 01:01.11 | brian|lfs | I sent the people I bought my phone from an e-mail to see if they will exchange my jopenmoko or not |
| 01:01.32 | brian|lfs | even after leaving it on the wall carger for a few hours it doesn't want to turn on still. |
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| 01:03.05 | mmaestri | rwhitby: wrong branch? |
| 01:03.12 | nicfer | hi, I enter here to ask for a channel about small laptops like the eeepc series |
| 01:03.25 | balrog-k1n | brian|lfs: most likely a software problem |
| 01:03.28 | kd8ikt | brian: have a spare nokia battery of the same voltage that fits? they are extremely common |
| 01:03.38 | mmaestri | rwhitby: can you elaborate on this? |
| 01:03.50 | rwhitby | mmaestri: buildhost builds from org.openmoko.dev branch.\ |
| 01:03.51 | kd8ikt | 3.7volts right? |
| 01:04.00 | nicfer | I only found the olpc and the eee pc ones but those are device-specific |
| 01:04.01 | rwhitby | asu is being developed on org.openmoko.asu.dev branch |
| 01:04.05 | rwhitby | the two are not synced |
| 01:04.55 | mmaestri | rwhitby: have you tried the right branch? |
| 01:05.56 | lloyd_fedora | planning on buying the freerunner mainly to support the project .. since im not loaded it will be my only phone .. will i get decent battery life n the ability to make receive calls and sms ? thanks for ant input |
| 01:06.21 | kd8ikt | ugh finnally got openvpn to compile |
| 01:06.24 | rwhitby | mmaestri: you should be able to build the correct branch using mokomakefile (change the branch variable), but I have not done so yet. I've been playing with fso |
| 01:07.59 | spdr | ASU out yet ? |
| 01:08.05 | rwhitby | there are 60 commits difference between org.openmoko.dev and org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 01:08.15 | mmaestri | rwhitby: i'd like to play with fso too, but i couln't build it from mokomakefile |
| 01:08.19 | spdr | so drunk .. any drunk flashing manual ? :0 |
| 01:08.39 | spdr | wants ASU |
| 01:08.57 | rwhitby | mmaestri: you have to change the git site to openembedded and also the git branch to openembedded. fso is not developed under the OM config management system |
| 01:09.00 | xt | kd8ikt: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/openvpn_2.0.9-r1_armv4t.ipk ? |
| 01:09.30 | kd8ikt | oh well i compiled mine myself |
| 01:09.34 | rwhitby | you'll also need to do fso-autorev and moko-autorev in your local.conf |
| 01:10.03 | xt | kd8ikt (: |
| 01:10.25 | mmaestri | rwhitby: right now the makefile is failing on make update |
| 01:10.26 | rooly | yay |
| 01:10.32 | rooly | only 17,000 map files to go! |
| 01:10.58 | rwhitby | mmaestri: it's working here - what's the problem you're seeing? |
| 01:11.26 | mmaestri | it stucks on ( cd openembedded && \ git checkout org.openembedded.dev && \ git fetch && \ git rebase origin/org.openembedded.dev ) Already on branch "org.openembedded.dev" |
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| 01:12.14 | mmaestri | and then it fails with a message that cannot remember. i'm reproducing it right now |
| 01:12.51 | rooly | is re-rendering a video of the FR running a 3d app |
| 01:13.24 | mmaestri | rwhitby: Already on branch "org.openembedded.dev" git.openembedded.net[0: 80.81.242.146]: errno=Connection timed out fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection timed out) make: *** [update-openembedded] Error 128 |
| 01:13.49 | rwhitby | mmaestri: ah, yes. *.oe.net is down for some reason, and has been so for at least 12 hours |
| 01:14.26 | mmaestri | rwhitby: so...it will not work, right? |
| 01:15.05 | kgoetz | rooly: cool |
| 01:15.26 | rooly | and i'm uploading now |
| 01:16.13 | balrog-k1n | lloyd_fedora: depends on your definition of decent but many people would say no, not at the moment |
| 01:17.11 | lloyd_fedora | a day on a full charge ... i realize the phone software software is constantly being upgraded .. so whats buggy today could be fixed tomorrow |
| 01:17.21 | rwhitby | mmaestri: correct, you won't be able to update |
| 01:17.52 | rwhitby | (if git host is pointing to oe.net) |
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| 01:18.46 | balrog-k1n | lloyd_fedora: right |
| 01:18.59 | wyze | a day ona full charge... wow, now that's impresive... mine lasts for about 4 hours after a 25 min call and no wifi / gps / etc |
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| 01:19.43 | balrog-k1n | mine lasted for 13 hours without suspending at least once |
| 01:20.06 | balrog-k1n | allowing it to suspend should at least double this |
| 01:20.22 | balrog-k1n | ..but i don't really know |
| 01:20.55 | Plasma_GR | 13 hours with just gsmd on? |
| 01:21.00 | lloyd_fedora | wyze: i wasnt stating that i get a day on a full charge .. i was trying to figure the average time on a full charge |
| 01:21.35 | balrog-k1n | Plasma_GR: i don't know what was on, gsmd might not have been running during this test |
| 01:21.54 | lloyd_fedora | any numbers with the wifi on ?? |
| 01:22.05 | wyze | what file controls the screen brightness timeout on 2007.2? |
| 01:22.11 | rooly | http://rooly.g0dsoft.com/blog4.php/2008/08/02/the-openmoko-freerunner |
| 01:24.08 | brian|lfs | how is it a software problem the phone don't even turn on |
| 01:24.17 | brian|lfs | balrog-k1n, |
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| 01:25.50 | xhrit | rooly, lol |
| 01:26.03 | xhrit | i want a motion sensitive dasher for my neo. |
| 01:26.06 | xhrit | the osk sucks. |
| 01:26.13 | rooly | hmm? |
| 01:26.19 | xhrit | on screen keyboard. |
| 01:26.27 | xhrit | you remember dasher, right? |
| 01:26.32 | rooly | nope |
| 01:26.37 | rooly | never saw'd it |
| 01:26.43 | rooly | xhrit, check my blog |
| 01:26.45 | xhrit | hook it up to the accelleromoters, and you can type by waving the phone around |
| 01:26.45 | rooly | 2nd post |
| 01:26.50 | rooly | 3d on the FR |
| 01:26.57 | rooly | rooly.g0dsoft.com |
| 01:27.29 | xhrit | http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/TryJavaDasherNow.html |
| 01:27.54 | rooly | oh |
| 01:27.55 | rooly | dasher |
| 01:28.01 | rooly | yuck |
| 01:28.13 | cjb | used to work on Dasher. |
| 01:29.07 | xhrit | cjb, motion controlled? |
| 01:29.08 | rooly | only 15,000 map files to go |
| 01:29.11 | xhrit | for my neo? |
| 01:30.10 | xhrit | i think i will look into tweaking the osk to make it a bit more useable first... |
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| 01:31.08 | SpeedEvil | Try not to abuse the OSM servers too much - they'll melt. |
| 01:31.20 | xhrit | osm? |
| 01:31.56 | cjb | xhrit: yes, we had motion controlled on the iPaq |
| 01:31.59 | cjb | like eight years ago |
| 01:32.36 | cjb | http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/djw30/dasher/movies/ipaq.mpg |
| 01:32.50 | cjb | oh, I guess that one's stylus |
| 01:33.00 | cjb | but we put an accelerometer on and did tilt too. |
| 01:37.11 | rooly | so |
| 01:37.16 | rooly | anyone looked at 3d on the FR |
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| 01:42.45 | SpeedEvil | The glamo accellerator chip is a 2D/3D accellerator. Unfortunately, it has a 7megabytes/s bus to the CPU, which is shared by the SD. Transferring 3.5M/s to the glamo uses 50% CPU. The 3D accel cannot do VGA mode. In most cases, the glamo has not ended up improving performance as was hoped. |
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| 01:45.21 | balrog-k1n | i still think we failed on the software side more than on the hardware side with the glamo |
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| 01:46.55 | phrozen77 | rooly, yeah |
| 01:46.57 | rooly | erm |
| 01:46.59 | rooly | no, i mean my video |
| 01:47.06 | phrozen77 | i did |
| 01:48.24 | rooly | anyone know how to use the qtopia media player? |
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| 01:52.00 | mmaestri | rwhitby: are you there? |
| 01:52.08 | rwhitby | yup |
| 01:52.31 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: I'm pretty sure the glamo can be run faster as andy green *did* mention getting it stabily a bit faster (IIRC 9-10M/s) with some tweaking |
| 01:52.46 | mmaestri | when the openembedded site goes up again, i'll try to build fso-image |
| 01:53.08 | mmaestri | but it still does fail with linux-openmoko package |
| 01:53.21 | rwhitby | that one got fixed last night |
| 01:53.33 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: and then there was some talk about using DMA and some timing to synchronize transfers with the glamo clock so it didn't jam nWait down anymore |
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| 01:53.46 | rwhitby | I pushed the fix to monotone.nslu2-linux.org, which sync with monotone.openembedded.org, which then gets mirrored to git.openembedded.net |
| 01:53.52 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: 'tho it seemed kind of ... unrealistic to do that |
| 01:54.00 | unknown_lamer | one can always hope... |
| 01:54.28 | mmaestri | so if i try to build it now, without make update, it should work, right? |
| 01:54.54 | rwhitby | no, oe.net was down before that syncing could happen |
| 01:57.21 | mmaestri | rwhitby: can i change something to make it work? |
| 01:57.34 | rwhitby | ~logs |
| 01:57.34 | apt | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 01:57.57 | rwhitby | XorA pasted a line in here about 12 or so hours ago with the fix - you could search for that and do it manually. |
| 01:58.04 | rwhitby | it was a line in sane-srcrevs |
| 01:59.18 | abraxa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.50 | SirBob1701 | so who thinks 2008.8(ASU) will actually come out tom? |
| 02:00.35 | koenigjm | *raises his hand* code freeze probably is tonight...which means bug hunting first :P |
| 02:00.56 | SirBob1701 | :) i gotta get the toolchain up so i can help out with next release |
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| 02:07.56 | kd8ikt | its comming out 8-8-08? |
| 02:09.14 | SirBob1701 | koenigjm: are there directions on how to help out on asu anywhere on the wiki? |
| 02:11.29 | koenigjm | SirBob: not sure |
| 02:11.53 | koenigjm | SirBob: I wouldn't know..I have only owned an openmoko for 2 days so far ;) |
| 02:12.13 | SirBob1701 | oo |
| 02:12.15 | koenigjm | And does anyone know of an alternate to the openmoko-messages2 app for SMS? |
| 02:12.28 | koenigjm | I need to debug mine, it keeps crashing when I open it |
| 02:12.35 | SirBob1701 | they really need to update the wiki on how to contribute |
| 02:13.37 | ieatlint | "they" == you |
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| 02:16.02 | alphabeat1 | SirBob1701: it's been 080808 here in aus for 12 hours now! |
| 02:16.10 | alphabeat1 | waits patiently |
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| 02:17.29 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 02:17.42 | SirBob1701 | ieatlint: they would == me if i knew a damn thing about it |
| 02:17.44 | SirBob1701 | :D |
| 02:18.12 | ieatlint | ;) |
| 02:18.50 | ieatlint | there are a lot of geeks at linuxworld |
| 02:18.57 | ieatlint | people understood what i was saying... it was weird |
| 02:19.24 | kd8ikt | yeah how was that? |
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| 02:19.35 | ieatlint | hugely successful... |
| 02:19.46 | kd8ikt | i've been meaning to go to the local lug meetings |
| 02:19.56 | ieatlint | our booth was like 3 deep, and our neighbours had like 3 people |
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| 02:20.18 | ieatlint | plus i walked away with a free phone |
| 02:20.30 | ieatlint | in the no one was looking sense |
| 02:20.41 | qhartman_ | Anytime I attempt to flash my FR I get the following from dfu-util: http://pastebin.com/m1b002144 |
| 02:20.42 | kd8ikt | what kinda phone' |
| 02:20.43 | qhartman_ | Any ideas? |
| 02:21.08 | koenigjm | Here is the error I am seeing with openmoko-message2, any thoughts? |
| 02:21.09 | koenigjm | (openmoko-messages:1679): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 02:21.19 | ieatlint | freerunner |
| 02:21.26 | ieatlint | i've two freerunners now |
| 02:21.35 | kd8ikt | wtf |
| 02:21.39 | kd8ikt | someones gonna be pissed |
| 02:21.59 | ieatlint | heh |
| 02:22.04 | ieatlint | i'm kidding, they gave it to me |
| 02:22.15 | kd8ikt | who? why |
| 02:22.45 | kd8ikt | thats cool .. |
| 02:22.45 | kd8ikt | Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=16, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name="rootfs" |
| 02:22.45 | kd8ikt | Claiming USB DFU Interface... |
| 02:22.45 | kd8ikt | Setting Alternate Setting ... |
| 02:22.45 | ieatlint | steve |
| 02:22.53 | kd8ikt | whoopz |
| 02:22.56 | ieatlint | because i threatened him |
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| 02:24.56 | ieatlint | ended up getting a debug board, spares pack and a phone... all for free |
| 02:25.07 | kd8ikt | awesome |
| 02:25.11 | ieatlint | the threat of bodily harm is a powerful motivator |
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| 02:25.48 | ieatlint | it's better when people don't know if i'm joking when i say things like that |
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| 02:27.30 | lloyd_fedora | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8 is this sw version out ? |
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| 02:27.57 | cjb | well, is it August 8th yet? |
| 02:28.01 | Guilt | is 2008.8 out yet? |
| 02:28.03 | Guilt | the 20080808 is up though |
| 02:28.14 | cjb | that's a different release |
| 02:28.16 | Guilt | but that's not 2008.8 |
| 02:28.17 | Guilt | yea |
| 02:28.40 | Guilt | cjb: as per UTC, it is 8th aug |
| 02:29.04 | ieatlint | don't get too excited, 2008.08 kinda sucks in my opinion |
| 02:29.27 | Guilt | why? have u used it? |
| 02:29.28 | kd8ikt | i've been thinking of an inteligent net connector, like it does everything in its power to get networking setup, like try misc simple passwords to local locked AP's or openones , try static routes, adhoc device to device, just to do anything it can to establish a link to anything |
| 02:29.34 | Guilt | when it's not released? |
| 02:29.37 | Guilt | ieatlint: ^^ |
| 02:30.11 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 02:30.26 | Guilt | do u develop 2008.8? |
| 02:30.33 | Guilt | if it sucks, it's a major letdown ;) |
| 02:30.54 | ieatlint | no, i don't |
| 02:31.04 | Guilt | and, ASU != 2008.8 |
| 02:31.05 | ieatlint | and it is my opinion, not fact :P |
| 02:31.09 | Guilt | at least we hope |
| 02:31.13 | BobOfDoom | kd8ikt: like this? http://xkcd.com/416/ |
| 02:31.27 | ieatlint | but yeah, it was being demoed at linuxworld, and i was there for 3 days |
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| 02:32.41 | kd8ikt | yea BobOfDoom cause i even get tired of trying passwords and stuff or setting common static routes when people use static ip config |
| 02:33.07 | kd8ikt | and you can override/ or add a new password to the list if your at a friends house |
| 02:33.22 | kd8ikt | other then that it just tries everything |
| 02:35.20 | kd8ikt | a massive overhaul of wifiweasel |
| 02:35.40 | kd8ikt | that uses wpa_supplicant |
| 02:36.31 | qhartman_ | Does anyone know what "dfu_download error -62" means? |
| 02:36.43 | kd8ikt | i think i'd need my own agressive dhcp client and dhcpdump to snarf the replies etc |
| 02:37.13 | kd8ikt | been investing a lot of thought into this |
| 02:38.53 | abraxa_ | qhartman_: Might wanna make sure your battery isn't empty |
| 02:40.10 | qhartman_ | abraxa_: It shouldn't be, it's been sitting on the charger all day. It will charge if it's turned off, won't it? |
| 02:40.38 | abraxa_ | qhartman_: Yeah. And I guess your error has a different cause then... |
| 02:41.28 | rooly | qhartman, it won't charge turned off |
| 02:41.36 | rooly | the charging mechanism is implemented in software |
| 02:41.48 | qhartman_ | rooly, thx |
| 02:42.37 | abraxa_ | rooly: Huh? |
| 02:42.48 | qhartman_ | well, after booting the guage in the corner shows about 60% charge, so regardless, it seems that ought to be enough juice for aflash |
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| 02:43.52 | SirBob1701 | there is an update on planet.openmoko.org |
| 02:43.52 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 02:44.00 | Flinx | Is there someone that manages the e-mail lists availible? |
| 02:44.39 | Flinx | I have a question regarding the "daily" digest. |
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| 02:45.08 | kd8ikt | whatdya think ieatlint ? |
| 02:46.12 | Flinx | Is there a way to compress all of the e-mail digest "Issues" into one larger email? |
| 02:46.34 | ieatlint | interesting idea |
| 02:46.35 | Flinx | because right now I've got like.. 12 digests from Community for today alone... |
| 02:46.55 | Flinx | I thought that daily meant One Digest of all emails within a 24-hour period >.> |
| 02:47.12 | ieatlint | i'd be interested to see how well it would work... |
| 02:47.40 | SirBob1701 | well almost here it looks like cause the 20080808 folder is up in buildhost daily |
| 02:47.48 | ieatlint | sorry, i'm pretty tired so i'm not particularly verbose at the moment |
| 02:48.01 | abraxa_ | Flinx: If you can't figure out how to change that, it might be a bug. Thus, filing it at http://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac might be a good idea. |
| 02:49.44 | Flinx | abraxa_: Thanks :D |
| 02:50.01 | kd8ikt | i need to play with wpa |
| 02:50.06 | kd8ikt | wpa_lint |
| 02:50.30 | ieatlint | you know any c? |
| 02:50.38 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 02:50.41 | raster | i dont know any c'\ |
| 02:50.52 | raster | i'm a n00b |
| 02:51.03 | ieatlint | then take a loot at wpa_lint's source... and the wpa_supplicant api web page |
| 02:51.12 | ieatlint | you can undoubtedly cater something more to your needs |
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| 02:52.10 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 02:54.32 | cjb | hm, http://zecke.blogspot.com/2008/08/releasing-software-to-wild.html |
| 02:54.44 | cjb | > Oh well, QA asked us to not release due the stability issues they see during their heavy testing. |
| 02:58.54 | ieatlint | oh nice, there's an internal wifi antenna jack |
| 02:59.11 | railer | really? |
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| 02:59.31 | kd8ikt | oh yea? like a laptop wifi card? |
| 02:59.32 | railer | an internal jack whats the connector type? |
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| 02:59.45 | kd8ikt | guesses like the gps |
| 02:59.50 | ieatlint | nope |
| 03:00.02 | ieatlint | it's an identical connector to the gsm jack |
| 03:00.07 | railer | ok |
| 03:00.13 | railer | need a pigtail |
| 03:00.13 | ieatlint | about 1cm above it, on the wifi module |
| 03:00.17 | ieatlint | yep |
| 03:00.53 | ieatlint | not sure why there isn't a hole in the case for it |
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| 03:01.24 | qhartman_ | ok, I have some dmesg output from the host machine I'm trying to flash from, if someone would take a peek at it and see if it might provide some direction I'd appreciate it: http://pastebin.com/m78b0ddf2 |
| 03:01.38 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/a/af/Gta02a5_pcba_cs.JPG |
| 03:01.59 | kd8ikt | that black centered connector? |
| 03:02.03 | ieatlint | that doesn't show everything |
| 03:02.13 | ieatlint | that black connector is the gsm one |
| 03:02.41 | ieatlint | i suppose i can take a pic of the back as it is completed and upload it there |
| 03:02.51 | linuxxr | that looks lioke coffee on there |
| 03:09.33 | SirBob1701 | whens this thing gonna get release? lol |
| 03:09.37 | SirBob1701 | i'm tired |
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| 03:13.23 | ieatlint | http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/back.jpg |
| 03:13.38 | ieatlint | excuse the crappy quality |
| 03:13.47 | ieatlint | my camera sucks and the lighting here is also not great |
| 03:14.03 | ieatlint | the bottom right of that pic is where the two connectors are |
| 03:14.20 | ieatlint | the big chunk thingy with the arrow and green block (the internal antenna) is the wifi module |
| 03:14.43 | alphabeat1 | it looks liek you own that domain ieatlint. nice! |
| 03:14.54 | ieatlint | yep :) |
| 03:15.28 | ieatlint | in the next day or two i'll be throwing up some random apps there |
| 03:15.38 | alphabeat1 | sweet. like what? |
| 03:16.40 | ieatlint | well, i bought a usb y-cable to pull 1A off usb, but in order to use it, you need to force the software to pull 1A |
| 03:16.51 | ieatlint | so i decided to make a gui for it... and ended up making a battery monitor |
| 03:17.13 | linuxxr | very cool |
| 03:17.18 | ieatlint | gives estimated times till the battery is empty, or full if charging... tells you what kind of current it's drawing, and the battery's temp... and has a button to force 1A |
| 03:17.29 | alphabeat1 | what's the frontend in? |
| 03:17.43 | kd8ikt | so the thing above/below(cause its the bottom of the phone i think) the green block? |
| 03:17.47 | ieatlint | pygtk... i really need to finish getting my toolchain up so i can do it in C |
| 03:18.13 | linuxxr | why do it in c? |
| 03:18.35 | raster | c is just better :) |
| 03:18.36 | ieatlint | because i like c, it's faster (although, for such a small app, that doesn't matter) |
| 03:18.41 | raster | leaner, smaller, faster. |
| 03:18.44 | raster | and it's sexy |
| 03:18.49 | ieatlint | and because pygtk requires you install pygtk |
| 03:19.03 | ieatlint | (a funny requirement of the library is that it must be present to be used) |
| 03:19.19 | raster | and as such |
| 03:19.28 | raster | embedded devices like phons - though getting more powerul |
| 03:19.37 | raster | are still much slower and more limited than your desktop/laptop |
| 03:19.49 | raster | where if u do somthingin python thats simple u may not really notice |
| 03:20.00 | raster | on a limited device - you'll noice the overhead much more |
| 03:20.12 | ieatlint | and since way too many people at linuxworld would pick up the phone and turn it on it's side and go "oh, it doesn't change its orientation?" |
| 03:20.21 | ieatlint | i am going to throw together an app that does do that |
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| 03:20.35 | alphabeat1 | you should have just reoriented them horizontally |
| 03:20.39 | ieatlint | and then anything else random that is mildly useful |
| 03:21.20 | alphabeat1 | raster: where will the new image be coming out so i can f5 repeatedly? |
| 03:21.42 | raster | dunno |
| 03:22.21 | alphabeat1 | damn. ok |
| 03:22.21 | ieatlint | pc magazine already has an article talking about 2008.8 :P |
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| 03:23.10 | aggtrfrad | hey, has anyone figured out how to disable the auto-keypad-spawn no minimo? |
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| 03:23.58 | ieatlint | use the keyboard applet which allows you to toggle the keyboard |
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| 03:24.09 | Guilt | is 2008.8 out yet? |
| 03:24.14 | gargoyle_grin | How do you enable the applet? I'd be interested in that. |
| 03:24.23 | aggtrfrad | yeah but its time i click a link it pops out |
| 03:24.25 | ieatlint | what image are you using? |
| 03:24.44 | aggtrfrad | its=each |
| 03:25.04 | gargoyle_grin | While I'm technically on 2007.2 at the moment, I'm planning on upgrading just as soon as 2008.8 is out. |
| 03:25.19 | ieatlint | well, 2008.8 is a whole different boat |
| 03:25.40 | ieatlint | and 2007.2 should just but abandoned, as it seems that it's truly not being really supported anymore |
| 03:25.46 | ieatlint | just be |
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| 03:26.36 | gargoyle_grin | Heh. 'k then. I'll pursue it again after the upgrade. |
| 03:27.15 | gargoyle_grin | Do we know *when* on the 8th the new image will be released? |
| 03:28.34 | gargoyle_grin | Apparently that's a "no." |
| 03:28.41 | linuxxr | will there bells an whistles? |
| 03:29.00 | ieatlint | it's ASU |
| 03:29.05 | ieatlint | with a few minor changes |
| 03:29.09 | ieatlint | more games, for instances |
| 03:29.22 | linuxxr | oo god not more games |
| 03:29.27 | ieatlint | i guess the backend is a bit better |
| 03:29.34 | ieatlint | and i think it has some sort of wifi app now |
| 03:29.55 | gargoyle_grin | If I install ASU, will a simple opkg update && opkg upgrade make it equivalent to 2008.8? |
| 03:30.11 | gargoyle_grin | After it's released, that is. |
| 03:30.22 | rwhitby | ASU and 2008.8 are the same thing |
| 03:30.24 | ieatlint | gargoyle_grin, try it and let us know :P |
| 03:30.29 | linuxxr | i want translucent curved edge icons that are attached to working programs |
| 03:30.37 | aseve4tvb4 | the qtopia image is leaps and bounds beyond the most recent openmoko-qtopia-x11 image http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner |
| 03:30.38 | undrwater | gargoyle_grin: i've updated to the 08 repo |
| 03:30.40 | linuxxr | please |
| 03:31.04 | aseve4tvb4 | i hope they were holding back some significant updates for the release tomorrow |
| 03:31.22 | gargoyle_grin | Ah. The image is already available? |
| 03:31.34 | linuxxr | it looks that way |
| 03:31.43 | linuxxr | but its a daily |
| 03:31.47 | gargoyle_grin | Or are you basically talking about ASU? |
| 03:31.51 | ieatlint | uh, qtopia may appear to be a more complete phone, but its backend is not stable, its power management is perhaps the worst, and its pretty closed |
| 03:32.07 | undrwater | gargoyle_grin: ASU with 08 repo |
| 03:32.20 | aseve4tvb4 | i was talking about qtopia is better (http://qtopia.net/modules/devices/) than what i believe to be the daily release of ASU (openmoko-qtopia-x11) |
| 03:33.09 | gargoyle_grin | Ah. Gotcha. Thanks. |
| 03:35.04 | linuxxr | i guess i need top get that crap off my phone then |
| 03:35.17 | gargoyle_grin | Hmm. I've been thinking of dual-booting (booting 2008.08 from the internal flash and qtopia from the micro-SD). |
| 03:35.17 | linuxxr | -p |
| 03:35.28 | gargoyle_grin | Just to see. |
| 03:35.32 | ieatlint | you guys also all heard that android has been confirmed for the freerunner? |
| 03:35.42 | kd8ikt | gargoyle_grin: i triple boot |
| 03:36.00 | linuxxr | we no need no android either |
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| 03:36.17 | gargoyle_grin | Hell. Why not triple boot? |
| 03:36.40 | linuxxr | debian 20080808 slackware? |
| 03:36.46 | linuxxr | ok |
| 03:37.40 | linuxxr | cant consider qtopia or android ,,an 2007 is dead |
| 03:38.44 | linuxxr | the sd card-- is it better to have a new 8g or 2 4gigs |
| 03:39.28 | threedee | hello :) where can i get a good deal on a new phone |
| 03:40.58 | threedee | <-- in UK btw |
| 03:42.09 | ieatlint | go down to camden market and look for the shady guy selling various phones, no questions asked and they come with a sim but no charger |
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| 03:50.42 | linuxxr | unlocked |
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| 04:00.22 | MadTBone | so I take it that the official 2008.8 isn't out yet? |
| 04:01.04 | rwhitby | I expect you'll see something on the announce list when it is ... |
| 04:01.59 | MadTBone | of course....just figured I might chime in at the stroke of 08-08-08 (here in NY, anyway) |
| 04:02.07 | dbmoodb | what what ? andriod ? |
| 04:02.41 | dbmoodb | its going to work on the freerunners ? oh |
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| 04:08.03 | dbmoodb | anyone got an eta on om2008.8 ? |
| 04:08.47 | abraxa_ | dbmoodb: planet.openmoko.org |
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| 04:21.21 | CVirus | How is the suspend/resume with 2008.8 ? |
| 04:21.58 | CVirus | does it contain an GTK stuff ? |
| 04:26.05 | linuxxr | yikes its aassscccaaarrrryyyy road |
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| 04:36.41 | gargoyle_grin | Dang. It's late, and I must catch some Z's, and no 2008.8 image. :( |
| 04:37.06 | gargoyle_grin | Oh well. I shall see you all later. |
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| 04:39.04 | undrwater | we...it's not 08/08 yet here |
| 04:39.16 | undrwater | anyone installed finch yet? |
| 04:39.21 | dbmoodb | undrwater: you can do that ? |
| 04:39.27 | dbmoodb | i'm using pidgin ... |
| 04:39.39 | dbmoodb | undrwater: can't get anything to make :( |
| 04:39.41 | undrwater | dbmoodb: it's in the angstrom feeds |
| 04:39.52 | dbmoodb | angstrom... ah... |
| 04:40.19 | dbmoodb | nice |
| 04:40.31 | dbmoodb | i wish they would add otr and encryption tho |
| 04:41.34 | undrwater | nope...finch is in 2007.2 repo |
| 04:41.34 | undrwater | otr? |
| 04:41.34 | dbmoodb | off the record messaging |
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| 04:42.08 | dbmoodb | the problem with pidgin is that i can't work out how to copy paste from other apps.. sure i could send a file but... |
| 04:42.43 | linuxxr | linkage |
| 04:42.45 | undrwater | i haven't tried copy/paste with any of the apps so far...how is that done? |
| 04:42.51 | linuxxr | we need linkage |
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| 04:42.55 | undrwater | for? |
| 04:42.56 | dbmoodb | linkage too ? |
| 04:43.06 | linuxxr | 080808 |
| 04:43.12 | dbmoodb | http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/ -- for otr... |
| 04:43.34 | dbmoodb | linuxxr: its it 080808 UTC yet ? |
| 04:43.37 | dbmoodb | is it* |
| 04:44.15 | linuxxr | nope |
| 04:44.33 | dbmoodb | so don't expect it out yet |
| 04:44.56 | undrwater | dbmoodb: have you done copy/paste with OM? |
| 04:45.17 | dbmoodb | --- can't wik it outt -- can do within apps tho |
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| 04:48.21 | undrwater | otr looks cool...is it a plugin for pidgin? |
| 04:48.27 | dbmoodb | undrwater: thank you now i can gpg talk with people i guess using copy and paste |
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| 04:48.50 | dbmoodb | ah yeah it can be .. there is also one for kopete / other things imy |
| 04:49.27 | dbmoodb | if you on ubuntu / debian lenny go apt-get install pidgin-otr ... on hardy its installed by default ... just go control u in pidgin and tick it (i wish they had done that set on by default ..) |
| 04:49.45 | undrwater | <--gentoo |
| 04:49.50 | CVirus | same |
| 04:50.26 | dbmoodb | emerge pidgin-otr then gain |
| 04:50.29 | dbmoodb | wait* |
| 04:50.49 | dbmoodb | ducks for cover (lovely screen saver you got there ) just kidding :) |
| 04:51.05 | undrwater | :D |
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| 04:51.53 | dbmoodb | have fun emerging :) get back to me when its done -- if you like it |
| 04:52.00 | easy | Morning. |
| 04:53.46 | undrwater | dbmoodb: emerging now |
| 04:54.01 | dbmoodb | your time starts now :) |
| 04:54.01 | undrwater | how is the encryption handled? password based? |
| 04:54.18 | dbmoodb | ah private ublic key infr.. |
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| 04:56.19 | undrwater | installed |
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| 05:11.44 | nullpuppy | ok.. phone suspended DURING a phone call... ;) |
| 05:11.47 | nullpuppy | that was wierd. |
| 05:12.43 | rtm | That's its way of signalling that the conversation was dull. |
| 05:12.44 | ieatlint | 2008.8 is happy suspend phone... leave it alone for a second, and it goes away |
| 05:14.14 | nullpuppy | rtm: lol |
| 05:14.25 | nullpuppy | ieatlint: hmm, good to know. |
| 05:14.43 | nullpuppy | going to through on the sd card in a few to try it out. |
| 05:15.18 | ieatlint | nullpuppy, if you go to the config page, there are settings about when to dim, and when to go to standby |
| 05:15.28 | nullpuppy | ieatlint: in 2008.8? |
| 05:15.35 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 05:15.38 | nullpuppy | k |
| 05:15.41 | nullpuppy | was using 2007.2 |
| 05:15.43 | ieatlint | config is essentially the same as ASU |
| 05:15.47 | ieatlint | oh, hah |
| 05:15.49 | nullpuppy | cool |
| 05:15.49 | ieatlint | :P |
| 05:15.58 | ieatlint | 2007.2 suspends? hehe |
| 05:16.03 | nullpuppy | yeah ;) |
| 05:16.14 | nullpuppy | sound gets fscked up afterwards though |
| 05:16.14 | ieatlint | does it resume? :P |
| 05:16.19 | nullpuppy | gets all quiet |
| 05:16.20 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 05:16.27 | ieatlint | ooooh |
| 05:16.28 | nullpuppy | erm, mic gets all quiet |
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| 05:16.54 | nullpuppy | so, gtk+ and qtopia apps both work in 2008.8 right? |
| 05:17.17 | nullpuppy | if so, then i should be set, though i do kind of prefer parts of the 2007.2 interface |
| 05:17.26 | dbmoodb | so does this talk mean its officially out ? |
| 05:17.51 | nullpuppy | dbmoodb: dunno, i haven't seen anything official yet |
| 05:17.55 | nullpuppy | haven't looked either though |
| 05:18.01 | stephelton | anyone running the 2008.8 release yet? |
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| 05:19.08 | kd8ikt | i'm starting to hate irc |
| 05:19.33 | nullpuppy | kd8ikt: why? because of stuff like that? |
| 05:19.37 | kd8ikt | a forum would be nice |
| 05:19.44 | linuxxr | yup |
| 05:19.50 | linuxxr | it would |
| 05:20.06 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.09 | stephelton | erm. sorry |
| 05:20.10 | kd8ikt | we could make a folder in linuxquestions maybe? |
| 05:20.26 | linuxxr | or start your own |
| 05:20.26 | kd8ikt | i havent logged into my account in awhile |
| 05:20.36 | nullpuppy | i have a forum setup that i could add a topic or whatever to |
| 05:20.40 | nullpuppy | forum.nulldomain.com |
| 05:20.45 | linuxxr | thats a reaal good plan though |
| 05:20.55 | kd8ikt | an official unofficial |
| 05:21.05 | linuxxr | get lots of attention too |
| 05:21.27 | ieatlint | or someone could just set the topic, heh |
| 05:21.43 | undrwater | you mean so folks stop asking if 2008.8 is out? |
| 05:21.44 | linuxxr | it would become offical because of ease of use |
| 05:21.55 | linuxxr | yup |
| 05:22.11 | stephelton | honestly i think the wiki needs cleaning up more than the need for a forum |
| 05:22.12 | ieatlint | there was a very lengthy thread on one of the mailing lists about why they don't have a forum |
| 05:22.19 | linuxxr | an all this blabla about whats what |
| 05:22.35 | dbmoodb | stephelton: i think we need a real mediawiki the searching on the wiki is the fail |
| 05:22.43 | nullpuppy | http://forum.nulldomain.com/index.php?action=collapse;c=4;sa=collapse;#4 |
| 05:22.46 | linuxxr | time consumption is the problem |
| 05:22.52 | nullpuppy | i'll look into making better urls later... |
| 05:22.54 | dbmoodb | --- fix the damn searching perhaps with a google search mediawiki plugin |
| 05:23.16 | nullpuppy | open to suggestions on topic names |
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| 05:24.12 | dbmoodb | ayayaya i can install things ! |
| 05:24.22 | dbmoodb | (grabs nmap for phone) |
| 05:26.08 | dbmoodb | oooo anyone know if swfdec can be a plugin for mimino |
| 05:26.21 | dbmoodb | minimo* |
| 05:28.36 | kd8ikt | i guess i could use http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html |
| 05:29.26 | kd8ikt | its like a forum |
| 05:29.43 | undrwater | works ok too |
| 05:30.00 | linuxxr | looks good |
| 05:32.13 | linuxxr | seems to not fill my screen |
| 05:32.46 | linuxxr | maybe my settings on this 22 |
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| 05:35.02 | linuxxr | might need to use linuxQuestions server if its free |
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| 05:35.29 | nullpuppy | I have a forum we can use |
| 05:35.49 | nullpuppy | that would be free |
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| 05:36.54 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Discussion_Forums |
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| 05:38.11 | kd8ikt | that mokomakefile sure is magical |
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| 05:38.37 | wyze | question... which file controls the backlight timeout for 2007.2? |
| 05:38.56 | kd8ikt | or brightness for that matter |
| 05:39.01 | wyze | yep |
| 05:39.11 | abraxa_ | wyze: Hardcoded in neod |
| 05:39.15 | abraxa_ | (for 2007.2, that is) |
| 05:39.20 | wyze | ewww |
| 05:40.02 | abraxa_ | Then again, could also be happening in the kernel... not sure right now |
| 05:40.46 | dbmoodb | abraxa_: there isn't a module doing it ? |
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| 05:41.35 | abraxa_ | dbmoodb: Well, you can't quite put stuff like this in a module :) |
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| 05:42.07 | dbmoodb | apm ? acpi ? |
| 05:42.42 | dbmoodb | well hoe do i turn a service off at start up ? 2007.2 |
| 05:43.09 | lpotter_ | ieatlint: how is qtopia at all closed? |
| 05:43.29 | abraxa_ | dbmoodb: What kind of service are you refering to? |
| 05:43.44 | dbmoodb | ah samba |
| 05:43.52 | abraxa_ | dbmoodb: It's a regular linux distro so it has runlevels that you can edit |
| 05:44.03 | ieatlint | lpotter, it runs in the framebuffer, so applications have to be written in the qtopia software stack -- but yes, it is open in the OSS sense... i just feel a lot more restricted using it |
| 05:44.25 | dbmoodb | ah |
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| 05:46.16 | nullpuppy | ok, time to try booting from sd. |
| 05:46.54 | wyze | booting from sd ftw |
| 05:47.48 | nullpuppy | woot, booting. |
| 05:47.53 | nullpuppy | so far, so good. |
| 05:48.18 | goodwill | anyone build fso distro using mokomakefile? |
| 05:48.29 | goodwill | are things like BBFILES |
| 05:48.39 | goodwill | still need to be added to local.conf for it? |
| 05:48.52 | goodwill | and the fso-autorev.inc ? |
| 05:49.48 | undrwater | wyze: i have no problem booting kernel from SD....but i never seem to be able to init the root |
| 05:50.11 | kd8ikt | VFS panic? |
| 05:50.32 | alphabeat1 | undrwater: you followed the instructions i assume? mounting the jffs and transferring the files across? |
| 05:50.49 | undrwater | alphabeat1: yep... |
| 05:50.50 | kd8ikt | what uboot version? what fs is /dev/mmcblk0p2? |
| 05:51.18 | alphabeat1 | what does 'fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0' give you? |
| 05:51.21 | nullpuppy | bah, its slooooooow |
| 05:51.39 | undrwater | kd8ikt: i've used ext2 and 3 for rootfs |
| 05:51.45 | undrwater | hang on for u-boot |
| 05:52.08 | nullpuppy | is there much of a speed difference between sd and nand? |
| 05:52.10 | kd8ikt | i just want to know if its default or you upgraded it |
| 05:52.17 | nullpuppy | (for running the os...) |
| 05:52.32 | undrwater | uboot:1.3.2-moko12 |
| 05:52.38 | kd8ikt | default |
| 05:52.46 | undrwater | oh yeah? |
| 05:52.55 | undrwater | i thought i had upgraded :O |
| 05:53.06 | alphabeat1 | i'd say so nullpuppy. from what i gather nand has good read speeds and everything the sd card does has to run through the glamo which locks the cpu |
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| 05:53.44 | undrwater | kd8ikt: so...not possible to boot rootfs from default? |
| 05:54.12 | nullpuppy | alphabeat1: k. thats what i figured. not what i wanted to hear though ;) |
| 05:54.16 | nullpuppy | contemplates |
| 05:54.43 | alphabeat1 | i run qtopia on sd card and its fine. maybe it loads it into memory... |
| 05:54.58 | nullpuppy | nods |
| 05:55.16 | nullpuppy | have 2007.2 in nand, 2008.8 (from 8/7) in sd at the moment. |
| 05:55.46 | wyze | nullpuppy: you're loading there kernel for the sd boot from where? |
| 05:55.52 | alphabeat1 | 2008.8 is slow for me as well from nand |
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| 05:56.17 | alphabeat1 | waiting for official build |
| 05:56.20 | nullpuppy | alphabeat1: doh, alright ;) |
| 05:56.22 | nullpuppy | wyze: from sd |
| 05:56.27 | wyze | ahh... k |
| 05:56.34 | wyze | misread the above |
| 05:56.36 | nullpuppy | followed stuff from Booting From SD on the wiki |
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| 05:58.04 | numist | nullpuppy: ! |
| 05:58.29 | AntonTakk | so, is the qtopia-x11 image on buildhost for 20080808 the official asu? |
| 05:58.46 | nullpuppy | numist: ! |
| 05:58.50 | nullpuppy | wtf are you doing here? ;) |
| 05:59.04 | numist | nullpuppy: probably the same thing you are :P |
| 05:59.07 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 05:59.13 | numist | actually my friend ozzloy got an openmoko and I'm interested now |
| 05:59.14 | nullpuppy | do you have a freerunner? |
| 05:59.17 | El_Senator | AntonTakk: i'm pretty sure everyone misunderstood the whole aug 8th thing. It apparently just means august. correct me if i'm wrong |
| 05:59.19 | nullpuppy | ah, awesome. |
| 05:59.20 | alphabeat1 | AntonTakk: from what i gather, no. it builds off a different branch or something. have to wait until an offical announcement id say |
| 05:59.37 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 05:59.47 | nullpuppy | El_Senator: i've seen the 8th listed as official release |
| 05:59.56 | El_Senator | nullpuppy: where? |
| 05:59.58 | nullpuppy | i wouldn't put that to mean at midnight gmt though |
| 06:00.00 | ozzloy | hi numist ! |
| 06:00.03 | nullpuppy | somewhere on the wiki i think |
| 06:00.04 | nullpuppy | looks |
| 06:00.05 | numist | hi ozzloy :D |
| 06:00.07 | alphabeat1 | El_Senator: http://zecke.blogspot.com/2008/08/releasing-software-to-wild.html |
| 06:00.25 | El_Senator | alphabeat1: cool |
| 06:00.35 | El_Senator | well, i was just pondering about the irc topic |
| 06:01.07 | nullpuppy | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Om_2008.8_.28ASU.2C_April.2FAugust_Software_Update.29 |
| 06:01.14 | nullpuppy | ASU is the internal name and it will be known as Om 2008.8 upon its scheduled release on August 8, 2008. |
| 06:01.45 | El_Senator | ah, of course |
| 06:02.03 | El_Senator | i misunderstodd then... good thing :D |
| 06:02.09 | nullpuppy | :) |
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| 06:03.24 | beni_ | morning |
| 06:03.29 | goodwill | does anyone know if for fso I need to set DISTRO to openmoko or to angstrom? |
| 06:03.39 | alphabeat1 | El_Senator you had me worried ;) |
| 06:03.46 | nullpuppy | ieatlint: have you been using the 2008.8 images? |
| 06:03.53 | nullpuppy | hows battery life with it? |
| 06:04.35 | El_Senator | alphabeat1: heh, sorry 'bout that :D |
| 06:05.37 | goodwill | mickey|sofa: pardon me, but could you let me know if fso need to be build against openmoko or angstrom? |
| 06:05.45 | beni_ | 2008.8 out already? |
| 06:05.50 | beni_ | its the 8th :D |
| 06:07.34 | ieatlint | nullpuppy, not extensively, and not with a sim card in the phone |
| 06:08.34 | nullpuppy | ieatlint: alright |
| 06:08.43 | kd8ikt | bludgeons beni_ |
| 06:08.45 | nullpuppy | guess i'll find out tomorrow then ;) |
| 06:09.47 | beni_ | kd8ikt: asu asu asu (in allusion to monthy python) |
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| 06:14.28 | undrwater | ni ni ni? |
| 06:18.39 | AntonTakk | well, got uboot ans kernel flashed, rootfs in progress |
| 06:20.01 | undrwater | what's the diff between the v2 v4 v5 etc...uboot? |
| 06:20.26 | AntonTakk | board revision of the device |
| 06:20.35 | AntonTakk | you have a freerunner? |
| 06:21.03 | ieatlint | if you don't know what revision you have, then you have v5 :P |
| 06:21.42 | kd8ikt | libgsm-tool -m shell |
| 06:21.44 | undrwater | i have FR, yes |
| 06:21.52 | kd8ikt | rv gives you the hw revision |
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| 06:22.52 | doc|home | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:23.32 | AntonTakk | doc|home: generally, pizza and mt dew help most with development ;) |
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| 06:24.56 | kd8ikt | :D |
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| 06:26.33 | lpotter | doc|home: yes, there is a logging application, but you have to turn on certain categories first |
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| 06:27.18 | doc|home | lpotter: hmmm, well that's no good then |
| 06:27.19 | doc|home | AntonTakk: haha |
| 06:27.42 | ecraven | morning ;) |
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| 06:28.23 | doc|home | lpotter: fwiw I don't know what state it was in but the phone was ringing and the screen was lit white but nothing was being displayed and I had to do a x-second power off |
| 06:28.34 | doc|home | it's possibly a resume from suspend thing |
| 06:29.58 | doc|home | nice work on the power usage though, have had my phone on all day, although barely using it at all and it's just one block empty from a full charge this morning |
| 06:30.41 | doc|home | having an odd issue where a missed call + voicemail message and when I click on the message icon nothing happens |
| 06:32.15 | nullpuppy | ok, how do you get maps in diversity? |
| 06:33.00 | undrwater | install them |
| 06:33.13 | nullpuppy | k. how? |
| 06:33.31 | undrwater | opkg list | grep map....there are a few...not many |
| 06:33.48 | undrwater | new york, san fran, taipei |
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| 06:39.38 | methril | morning |
| 06:39.57 | Esvandiary | oh... morning |
| 06:40.01 | Esvandiary | so that's why it's less dark now |
| 06:40.26 | undrwater | hmmm...almost morning here |
| 06:40.50 | Esvandiary | where are you? |
| 06:40.56 | undrwater | los angeles area |
| 06:41.28 | Esvandiary | oh... you mean morning as in after midnight... i mean morning as in "it's not dark any more" :) |
| 06:41.30 | beni_ | here it is almost time for my morning break |
| 06:41.33 | Esvandiary | bristol, uk here |
| 06:41.38 | beni_ | (mug of coffee) |
| 06:41.41 | beni_ | germany |
| 06:41.41 | undrwater | cheers |
| 06:41.48 | beni_ | 8:43 local time |
| 06:41.56 | Esvandiary | yeah, 7:43 here |
| 06:42.20 | undrwater | 23:43 |
| 06:43.29 | undrwater | beni_: do you make your coffee...or do you get it from a shop? |
| 06:45.03 | beni_ | we have a machine here at work |
| 06:45.18 | undrwater | got it |
| 06:45.34 | undrwater | i'm a bit of a snob...always curious how ppl make their coffee |
| 06:46.19 | methril | spain |
| 06:48.53 | beni_ | undrwater: there are sometimes worlds between good and not-so-good coffee |
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| 06:49.13 | beni_ | the coffee here is drinkable, nearly enjoyable. it is ok. but nothing outstanding. |
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| 06:49.36 | ecraven | charlie137: hey ;) how goes tichy? |
| 06:49.39 | methril | then go to colombia, or brazil :) |
| 06:49.54 | methril | there they have better coffee :) |
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| 06:50.56 | BlackFog | hi |
| 06:51.08 | railer | hi |
| 06:52.31 | undrwater | methril: not available for locals...only export |
| 06:54.06 | ecraven | does anyone have any idea why xrandr -o 1 changes the default *font* size? |
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| 07:06.02 | beni_ | with the current om-qtopia images, is usb networking down? i cant contact 192.168.0.202 |
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| 07:07.23 | Bubbi | s |
| 07:08.22 | kd8ikt | beni:(on phone) ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 |
| 07:08.47 | kd8ikt | or ifup usb0 |
| 07:09.59 | beni_ | where can i open a terminal? |
| 07:10.22 | beni_ | i can play sudoku, but i dont have access to a terminal |
| 07:10.23 | beni_ | :( |
| 07:10.25 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:11.00 | easy | beni_, same here. |
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| 07:11.41 | beni_ | ok, what can we do? |
| 07:12.23 | easy | dunno, just switched back to the original image. |
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| 07:13.37 | easy | atm I'm building an om-qtopia image from the scratch using mokomakefile. |
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| 07:18.48 | goodwill | ooh, dowloads.openmoko.org got rearranged |
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| 07:25.10 | GirlRiver | is 2008.8 available for download yet ? |
| 07:25.38 | lindi- | i think the question is, can you compile it? ;) |
| 07:25.55 | undrwater | GirlRiver: yes |
| 07:26.08 | lpotter | beni_: need to reboot once to get usbnet working apparently |
| 07:26.36 | undrwater | lpotter: is there a way to get week view in qtopia calendar? |
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| 07:28.30 | GirlRiver | so I download 2008.8 from here ? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/ |
| 07:28.30 | mbuf | how can I change the qtopia ring-tone? |
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| 07:29.02 | undrwater | GirlRiver: that's where i got it |
| 07:30.44 | trickie|work | i believe thats not 2008.8 |
| 07:30.48 | trickie|work | its just the build date |
| 07:31.02 | trickie|work | and buildhost is not/was not building the ASU branch |
| 07:31.21 | trickie|work | they may have fixed that though, but check the lists |
| 07:31.26 | trickie|work | mentioned several times |
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| 07:31.44 | undrwater | trickie|work: hrmph... |
| 07:32.15 | |FiLiP| | GirlRiver, check the channel topic |
| 07:32.49 | |FiLiP| | 200808 means August not 2008.8 |
| 07:33.57 | undrwater | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ |
| 07:34.19 | undrwater | so...not ready yet |
| 07:35.01 | beni_ | we all wait patiently |
| 07:35.09 | beni_ | is it there now? |
| 07:35.11 | beni_ | now? |
| 07:35.13 | beni_ | and now? |
| 07:35.16 | beni_ | ;) |
| 07:35.21 | undrwater | ni ni ni |
| 07:35.28 | GirlRiver | |FiLiP|, thanks for the clarification |
| 07:35.35 | undrwater | yes...thanks |
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| 07:36.32 | Bish | 2008.8 , still not out? |
| 07:36.52 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r37d7e3a46f99 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Add illume-config theme to ASU-feed |
| 07:37.23 | undrwater | maybe lurk on #openmoko-cdevel? |
| 07:38.19 | Bish | how about a cup of stfu? |
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| 07:39.12 | trickie|work | Bish: chirpy in the morning aye? |
| 07:40.19 | Bish | hm no :D |
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| 08:08.13 | easy | root 1414 0.5 0.6 2856 836 pts/0 Ss 10:07 0:00 -sh |
| 08:08.13 | easy | root 1429 0.1 0.4 2568 520 ? S 10:07 0:00 /usr/bin/app-restarter The qpe process vanished. This is bad.?This is not meant to happen and is likely a sign of?a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce it and?report the issue to http://docs.openmoko.org.??To be able to use your phone as a phone again you?will have to restart Qtopia.? qpe <- wtf is this? |
| 08:09.45 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r0db41b7ed296 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-settings] Bump up the reversion of om-settings to 67 |
| 08:10.12 | kd8ikt | qtopia pe |
| 08:11.01 | kd8ikt | http://qpe.sourceforge.net/ |
| 08:12.25 | kd8ikt | now your penance is to type "i will consult google before i ask in irc" 1000 times |
| 08:13.20 | kd8ikt | sorry if i sound like an ass but somethings have to be said |
| 08:14.05 | Bish | :D |
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| 08:17.00 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5d2f7fb0cb10 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Add illume-config theme to ASU-feed |
| 08:17.01 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * re36a542350c9 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-settings] Bump up the reversion of om-settings to 67 |
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| 08:18.10 | dbmoodb | IS IT OUT ? |
| 08:18.23 | zash | ARE YOU OUT ? |
| 08:18.28 | dbmoodb | YES |
| 08:18.56 | zash | 08-08-08 08:08:08 UTC was 10 minutes ago :( |
| 08:19.10 | kd8ikt | i do love the description of it on the wiki |
| 08:19.18 | kd8ikt | i will def flash it first thing |
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| 08:19.37 | kd8ikt | even though i dont care much for qt |
| 08:20.40 | Bish | kd8ikt: are you talkin about 2008.8 |
| 08:21.00 | kd8ikt | isnt that what everyone has been talking about for the past 24hrs |
| 08:21.55 | zash | 8 != 08 |
| 08:22.12 | Bish | dont nau :P |
| 08:22.18 | zash | le topic |
| 08:22.35 | zash | hm |
| 08:22.37 | zash | nm |
| 08:23.21 | Bish | so, it wont come out, today? |
| 08:23.59 | Bish | openmoko: julian_chu org.openmoko.asu.stable |
| 08:24.10 | Bish | .asu.stable .oO? |
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| 08:31.20 | Moo-- | gmane is missing some openmoko mailing lists. is this intentional? |
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| 08:35.42 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07specs * r4081b998e13b 10/html/ (4 files): Added html files |
| 08:37.26 | dbmoodb | ~moo |
| 08:37.27 | apt | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 08:37.39 | dbmoodb | sorry couldn't resist |
| 08:37.53 | Moo-- | >__> |
| 08:38.24 | dbmoodb | i think its ironic that we have a debian bot for the openmoko channel |
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| 08:38.41 | zash | but, debian runs on neos |
| 08:38.45 | Moo-- | I see my nick has strange effects on anglo-american people |
| 08:38.50 | dbmoodb | zash: dah i'm running debian on mine |
| 08:40.49 | zash | hm, smallest possible debian install with only what is needed for irssi and xterm |
| 08:41.03 | dbmoodb | zash: ? |
| 08:41.03 | zash | and some input |
| 08:41.43 | dbmoodb | well i want to get some xorg apps working out side of it |
| 08:41.43 | dbmoodb | like... ekiga or something else ... so i have sound in debian and the application prebuild.. wasn't very happy last time i tried it |
| 08:42.54 | zash | voice-to-text | gsm | speech-synt |
| 08:42.59 | zash | would be somewhat cool |
| 08:43.02 | dbmoodb | oh ? |
| 08:43.33 | kd8ikt | hey howbout a program that lets you record a 5-10sec audio file and upload it and it gets streamed back to your/everyone elses phone |
| 08:43.33 | zash | over ssh/ssl |
| 08:43.45 | zash | kd8ikt: or, irc over ssl |
| 08:43.53 | kd8ikt | like a big slow party line |
| 08:43.56 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: i like |
| 08:44.09 | dbmoodb | arcored then mail it |
| 08:44.15 | dbmoodb | arecord* |
| 08:44.25 | kd8ikt | so you dont need anyones number to "ragchew |
| 08:44.43 | kd8ikt | kinda like a voip walkie talkie |
| 08:44.48 | kd8ikt | eh? |
| 08:44.49 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: yah. |
| 08:45.03 | dbmoodb | GRUMBLES WHERE IS MY VOIP CLIENT |
| 08:45.13 | kd8ikt | dunno have you been working on it |
| 08:45.15 | dbmoodb | more grumlbing (linphone doesn't build / minisip / etc.) |
| 08:45.16 | lindi- | you could broadcast audio over wlan |
| 08:45.24 | dbmoodb | lindi-: pulseaudio ftw ? |
| 08:45.26 | lindi- | so anybody who is within range can talk to you |
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| 08:45.41 | lindi- | dbmoodb: pulseaudio eats 5% constantly, it's not my friend :( |
| 08:45.46 | dbmoodb | lindi-: yah i know |
| 08:46.08 | dbmoodb | oh why has my sdcard died? |
| 08:46.10 | Zorkman | llo all |
| 08:46.11 | Moo-- | lindi-: does VLC compile for ARM? |
| 08:46.13 | Zorkman | any news? |
| 08:46.13 | lindi- | dbmoodb: debian has linphone for arm |
| 08:46.20 | zash | lindi-: pulseaudio plays music on my other computer connected to some big speakers, and is my friend :D |
| 08:46.25 | lindi- | Moo--: debian has vlc for arm |
| 08:46.27 | dbmoodb | lindi-: yah but my audio within the debian chroot is now dead for uknown reasons |
| 08:46.35 | Moo-- | lindi-: VLC can do i |
| 08:46.38 | dbmoodb | lindi-: if you have a goods debian post it ? |
| 08:46.44 | lindi- | dbmoodb: my mplayer works just fine from my debian chroot |
| 08:46.56 | dbmoodb | lindi-: mine ... did -- care to post your kernel / modules ? |
| 08:47.04 | kd8ikt | yeah stick to mplayer dont mess with vlc |
| 08:47.04 | lindi- | dbmoodb: iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/debian.txt but i have added it to wiki too |
| 08:47.19 | dbmoodb | your modules ? |
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| 08:47.30 | Moo-- | has someone tried to run ubuntu mobile already? :) |
| 08:47.31 | lindi- | dbmoodb: no, i use normal 2007.2 |
| 08:47.36 | lindi- | dbmoodb: with debian chroot |
| 08:47.51 | dbmoodb | yah dude that's not working for me atm |
| 08:48.07 | lindi- | how does it fail? |
| 08:48.13 | Moo-- | what was the problem with constantly lit led light? |
| 08:48.22 | Moo-- | I have it :( |
| 08:48.23 | lindi- | dbmoodb: strace speaker-test inside and outside chroot |
| 08:49.31 | kd8ikt | actually now my led only goes on when connected to usb |
| 08:49.48 | Moo-- | kd8ikt: but mine doesn't go off when disconnected |
| 08:49.58 | kd8ikt | ah |
| 08:50.04 | Moo-- | kd8ikt: I think it was some bug related to uboot, but I can't find it anymore |
| 08:50.41 | kd8ikt | ieatlint has a neat lil pygtk script to toggle leds http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/leds.py |
| 08:51.14 | dbmoodb | lindi-: the moko no longer is accepting my sd card |
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| 08:52.18 | kd8ikt | reboot maybe? |
| 08:52.30 | Moo-- | lindi-: when you run debian can you access hardware (GSM) normally? |
| 08:52.44 | lindi- | Moo--: it's in chroot, of course |
| 08:52.50 | Moo-- | aa |
| 08:53.06 | lindi- | totally non-intrusive |
| 08:53.08 | Moo-- | was thinking debian based root image :/ |
| 08:53.25 | lindi- | better make it work with chroot first |
| 08:53.27 | Moo-- | so you have all the goodies of debian binaries |
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| 08:54.47 | Moo-- | lindi-: how about this? http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile |
| 08:55.03 | dbmoodb | Moo--: don't even think about ubuntu |
| 08:55.17 | Moo-- | dbmoodb: why? |
| 08:55.18 | dbmoodb | lenny is going stable soon that .... |
| 08:55.20 | dbmoodb | is not |
| 08:55.26 | Bish | is there a qtopia mediaplayer? |
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| 08:56.03 | Moo-- | dbmoodb: I think that with OpenMoko you really aren't a guy going after stable distribution.... |
| 08:56.37 | dbmoodb | that's nice to say but i think i will go crazy unless things go stable real soon |
| 08:56.59 | dbmoodb | no no luck with my sdcard -- was there a uboot update ? |
| 08:57.08 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.59 | Moo-- | dbmoodb: and reason to go after ubuntu MID is software tailored for handheld screens. Please see the screenshots on the page. |
| 09:01.02 | dbmoodb | ok this is bs... i have a dud sdcard it looks like... |
| 09:01.07 | dbmoodb | Moo--: sure sure -- |
| 09:01.10 | Bish | its still the same uh |
| 09:01.13 | Bish | 192.168.0.202 ? |
| 09:01.17 | Bish | no passwort? |
| 09:01.26 | dbmoodb | but e / xfce are really light |
| 09:01.53 | dbmoodb | it says 256mb+ memory / 512mb + recommended do we have that no |
| 09:02.33 | Ainulindale | Moo--: that's not true |
| 09:02.39 | Ainulindale | SHR is heading towards stable distribution |
| 09:02.49 | Ainulindale | Even if it's pretty much just a name right now |
| 09:02.57 | Ainulindale | (And loads and loads of code) |
| 09:03.16 | mbuf | Bish, yes |
| 09:03.55 | Bish | mbuf: |
| 09:06.42 | Moo-- | Ainulindale: I guess everyone is heading towards stable distribution. That's the point of a distribution, right? :) |
| 09:07.01 | Ainulindale | Moo--: Of course :-) |
| 09:07.07 | Moo-- | so why SHR would be special? |
| 09:07.23 | Ainulindale | Because it'll be community driven |
| 09:07.40 | Ainulindale | And not based on interest or anything for a company |
| 09:07.44 | dbmoodb | Ainulindale: debian based :) ??? |
| 09:07.54 | Ainulindale | Right now in fact what we (shr) want is to port stable applications to frameworkd (FSO) |
| 09:08.01 | Ainulindale | dbmoodb: I said stable, I didn't say slow |
| 09:08.19 | kd8ikt | figured as much Ainulindale |
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| 09:09.11 | dbmoodb | oiu watch my debian is lightening fast compared with 2007.2 |
| 09:09.14 | Voyd | any idea when shr will be making a release? |
| 09:09.21 | kd8ikt | likes the dbus api idea of FSO everything has access to everything |
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| 09:09.45 | dbmoodb | apparently my sdcard is now empty |
| 09:09.47 | dbmoodb | BS |
| 09:10.09 | kd8ikt | ew that sux |
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| 09:10.24 | Ainulindale | Voyd: pretty much yes |
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| 09:10.36 | Ainulindale | I intend to release a beta version of libframeworkd-glib |
| 09:10.46 | Ainulindale | For anyone willing to use it |
| 09:10.55 | Ainulindale | right now messages2 is mostly finished |
| 09:11.05 | Ainulindale | and we're still slow on dialer2 |
| 09:16.12 | mmontour | qtop |
| 09:16.28 | mmontour | (wrong window) |
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| 09:18.02 | beni_ | what is the gps daemon used in FSO? cant remember.... |
| 09:19.18 | trickie|work | gypsy? |
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| 09:25.29 | Bish | whats the root pw of the current qtopia image |
| 09:25.51 | Bish | blank does not work |
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| 09:26.33 | zash | what does mokomakefile "make qemu" pull? |
| 09:28.30 | Bish | hey guys .. i cant do anything without the root password xD |
| 09:28.44 | kd8ikt | Bish: are yo sshing in as root? |
| 09:28.58 | kd8ikt | root@openmoko or ssh openmoko -l root |
| 09:29.18 | Bish | yes sure |
| 09:29.24 | Bish | basemachine ~ # ssh -l root 192.168.0.202 |
| 09:29.30 | kd8ikt | and still cant login? |
| 09:29.33 | Bish | i can |
| 09:29.36 | kd8ikt | did you maybe change it? |
| 09:29.39 | Bish | no |
| 09:29.42 | Bish | i simply flashed it |
| 09:29.45 | Bish | the image. |
| 09:30.00 | kd8ikt | have you ever upgraded your uboot? |
| 09:30.01 | Bish | the newest qtopia image.. |
| 09:30.03 | Bish | no |
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| 09:30.09 | kd8ikt | bingo issue found |
| 09:30.19 | Bish | so the old one is buggy? |
| 09:30.40 | kd8ikt | yeah that "factory" uboot doesnt fully erase the partition before flashing |
| 09:30.48 | Bish | ah i c |
| 09:31.05 | kd8ikt | so you need to get into uboot console and issue nand erase rootfs then flsh |
| 09:31.06 | Bish | would u help me to do it.. because otherweise i will brick it |
| 09:31.15 | Bish | .. ah i c. |
| 09:31.18 | kd8ikt | have you ever set a passwd? |
| 09:31.22 | Bish | no |
| 09:31.23 | kd8ikt | try it it might work |
| 09:31.24 | beni_ | kd8ikt: are we supposed to flash rootfs while beeing in NAND? |
| 09:31.28 | kd8ikt | no |
| 09:31.46 | beni_ | but if i update uboot, i only update it in NAND, dont i? |
| 09:31.57 | beni_ | so my NOR uboot i use to flash everything still is buggy |
| 09:31.58 | kd8ikt | just grab a daily gta02v5 |
| 09:32.22 | Bish | kd8ikt: is updating uboot simple? |
| 09:32.23 | kd8ikt | uboot image NAND or NOR dont matter they both get loaded into ram when booted and you can flash the nand |
| 09:33.10 | beni_ | kd8ikt: but if you say, factory (ie NOR) uboot doesnt erase, it would be better to flash rootfs from NAND uboot, is that not correct? |
| 09:33.21 | Bish | kd8ikt: would u recommend updating uboot? |
| 09:33.23 | kd8ikt | dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uboot.bin |
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| 09:33.41 | Bish | kd8ikt: its fuking that easy? |
| 09:33.48 | beni_ | Bish: yes |
| 09:33.51 | kd8ikt | flash the uboot then reboot and flash the rootfs |
| 09:33.53 | Bish | kd8ikt: so but my menu entries are gone then, right? |
| 09:34.03 | kd8ikt | and it should be gravy after that |
| 09:34.38 | kd8ikt | i have a latest uboot(nand, since i dont have a dboard to flash nor) last tiume i flashed it |
| 09:34.56 | kd8ikt | no i think menu entries stay |
| 09:35.14 | xt | is it out yet? |
| 09:35.18 | kd8ikt | i could be mistaken though i havent flashed since i changed mine |
| 09:35.29 | Bish | .. i have a gta02v5 , right :P? |
| 09:35.30 | kd8ikt | bludgeons xt |
| 09:35.37 | Bish | i just dont want to do something wrong |
| 09:35.53 | kd8ikt | if you can get into a shell and type libgsm-tool -m shell then rv |
| 09:36.10 | kd8ikt | it will tell you the revision but most "mainstream" freerunners are v5 |
| 09:36.13 | kd8ikt | like mine |
| 09:36.34 | kd8ikt | if you flash a wrong one just boot into NOR and try a diff uboot |
| 09:36.36 | Bish | i dont have a shell at the moment :D |
| 09:36.40 | kd8ikt | (its unbrickable) |
| 09:36.42 | Bish | ah okay |
| 09:36.51 | Bish | nor is only writeable with the dboard? right? |
| 09:37.00 | kd8ikt | but i still think you can fuck up uboot-env |
| 09:37.05 | kd8ikt | i dunno |
| 09:37.13 | kd8ikt | yes bish so nbo worries |
| 09:37.26 | Bish | even if i fucup uboot-env its repairable :P right? |
| 09:38.11 | kd8ikt | i dunno |
| 09:38.15 | zash | Bish: you cant fuck up beyond repair afaik |
| 09:38.22 | zash | unless you have a dboacrd |
| 09:38.24 | zash | dboard* |
| 09:38.28 | kd8ikt | hey anyone use ipv6? |
| 09:38.29 | zash | but then you can fix it anyways |
| 09:38.43 | Bish | yes uboot works. |
| 09:38.48 | kd8ikt | ping6 2001:470:1f11:c7:212:eff:fe11:35d1 <-- i just setup another computer ;) |
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| 09:39.07 | kd8ikt | and yes thats via wifi acx11 |
| 09:39.14 | kd8ikt | w00t |
| 09:39.39 | kd8ikt | dood my life is linux wakeup to sleep i eat drink and dream linux |
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| 09:39.51 | Bish | kd8ikt: hehe, the neo simply doesnt start _> black screen |
| 09:39.55 | kd8ikt | ---^ thats a lil ubuntu server |
| 09:40.06 | NSLU2-IRC | om2008.8 is out? |
| 09:40.08 | kd8ikt | what'd you do? |
| 09:40.15 | Bish | NineX: no its not.. |
| 09:40.16 | Bish | read wiki |
| 09:41.11 | kd8ikt | hold PWR then hold AUX both together and (NAND) uboot should come up (vice versa for NOR) |
| 09:41.23 | kd8ikt | AUX then PWR |
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| 09:41.49 | kd8ikt | so nomatter what AUX then PWR should turn on the device, pending you dont have battery FAIL |
| 09:42.22 | Bish | yeah it was buggy or something |
| 09:42.25 | Bish | removed battery. |
| 09:42.30 | Bish | and tried again, now it works |
| 09:42.33 | kd8ikt | sleeping probably |
| 09:43.10 | Bish | i like that |
| 09:43.19 | zogs | Download Om 2008.8 |
| 09:43.19 | kd8ikt | so go forth and multiply i want to tend to my latest machine, ask the wiki not me -away |
| 09:43.28 | zogs | you know if today? |
| 09:43.44 | Bish | zogs: learn how to enlish :P |
| 09:43.53 | Bish | zogs: 2008.8 means.. THE 8th month of 2008 |
| 09:43.59 | Bish | not the 8th of the 8 |
| 09:44.27 | si-m1 | wiki says 08. aug ! |
| 09:44.32 | si-m1 | and wikis never lie! |
| 09:44.41 | Bish | topic does not lie , too |
| 09:45.03 | confidential1 | yeh, it's getting released sometime today according to the wiki... |
| 09:45.20 | Bish | damnit :P |
| 09:45.25 | Bish | Download Om 2008.8 |
| 09:45.26 | Bish | * Coming soon... |
| 09:45.42 | Bish | soon == today :D? |
| 09:45.50 | confidential1 | "It will be launched on August 08, 2008" |
| 09:46.07 | Bish | but in australia its already tomorrow :(? |
| 09:46.07 | confidential1 | says so in the Introduction: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8 |
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| 09:46.50 | sevenhundred | hello |
| 09:46.59 | confidential1 | yeh, its halfway through the day here in Norway too... |
| 09:47.03 | Bish | kd8ikt: can i get a better splash somwhere :D? |
| 09:47.45 | kd8ikt | bish youre lucky i looked back at this window |
| 09:47.45 | sevenhundred | does anyone know how om2008.8 is coming along? |
| 09:47.46 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker |
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| 09:48.35 | Bish | man im lucky |
| 09:48.49 | Bish | kd8ikt: now i mean the splash thing which is in the nand |
| 09:48.59 | kd8ikt | eh dont mess with it |
| 09:49.17 | Bish | kd8ikt: why? :D |
| 09:49.52 | kd8ikt | i'm busy, i dont know how , go investimigate |
| 09:50.05 | Bish | huch.. this guy is from my city |
| 09:50.12 | Bish | kd8ikt: okay.good luck, thanks |
| 09:50.21 | kd8ikt | where you live? |
| 09:50.25 | Bish | paderborn, germany |
| 09:50.29 | kd8ikt | oh |
| 09:50.36 | kd8ikt | know any "Lutz's" |
| 09:50.59 | sevenhundred | does anyone else have problems with tar magic? |
| 09:51.07 | Bish | sevenhundred: i did |
| 09:51.10 | kd8ikt | <-- a Lutz |
| 09:51.27 | kd8ikt | last i checked thats a german last name |
| 09:51.34 | Bish | kd8ikt: i know many lutzes but all of them are idiots |
| 09:51.42 | kd8ikt | awe fuck you |
| 09:51.42 | Bish | its from Luzifer , isnt it? |
| 09:51.44 | Bish | :D |
| 09:51.54 | Bish | kd8ikt: i mean real life lutzes |
| 09:51.56 | sevenhundred | Bish: "did" as in not anymore? *hopes* |
| 09:52.07 | kd8ikt | lutz is like is german to english for smith |
| 09:52.09 | Bish | sevenhundred: ... i just stopped using tar on the neo :D |
| 09:52.21 | sevenhundred | doh |
| 09:52.21 | Bish | kd8ikt: like schmied and smith? |
| 09:52.33 | kd8ikt | common name |
| 09:52.44 | kd8ikt | like baker or mason |
| 09:52.52 | Bish | ah okay :D |
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| 09:54.44 | xt | and you thought you were special :/ |
| 09:54.54 | Bish | lol |
| 09:55.04 | Bish | my name is arne |
| 09:55.12 | Bish | nobody is named arne -_- |
| 09:55.30 | kd8ikt | i want to defect to germany |
| 09:55.38 | kd8ikt | screw the US |
| 09:55.42 | sevenhundred | Bish: lots of people are named Arne in sweden |
| 09:55.55 | Bish | yeah coz its a swedish name, isnt it? |
| 09:56.07 | xt | Bish: I know plenty |
| 09:56.11 | kd8ikt | how far is amsterdam from germany? can you just hop on a train and get there? |
| 09:56.11 | sevenhundred | well, not lots of people :p |
| 09:56.32 | Bish | kd8ikt: yeah its like that |
| 09:56.37 | kd8ikt | sweet |
| 09:57.02 | Bish | why? :D |
| 09:57.05 | Bish | do u like marihuana? |
| 09:57.15 | Bish | or red light? |
| 09:57.39 | kd8ikt | la cucaracha |
| 09:57.48 | kd8ikt | will never pay for sex |
| 09:57.51 | Voyd | canals |
| 09:58.13 | Bish | has sex without paying for it |
| 09:58.21 | kd8ikt | well i pay for sex in outher ways like drinks/food/shelter |
| 09:58.23 | beni_ | who not? |
| 09:58.27 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 09:58.43 | kd8ikt | oh we all pay for sex in some form or another |
| 09:58.51 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: this channel is logged |
| 09:58.58 | Bish | kd8ikt: liquid extasy, eh eh eh ! |
| 09:58.59 | beni_ | yeah, sometimes you need to put rings on your finger |
| 09:59.02 | kd8ikt | heh lol i dont care |
| 09:59.05 | dbmoodb | i'm going to quote a mock of linus -- "its better when its free" |
| 09:59.21 | TankC | hahaha |
| 09:59.28 | dbmoodb | still is 2008.8 out ?S |
| 09:59.43 | dbmoodb | or should i revise the history on the wiki |
| 09:59.45 | kd8ikt | bomb, sedition, treason |
| 09:59.55 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: no murder ? |
| 10:00.05 | beni_ | Download Om 2008.8 |
| 10:00.06 | beni_ | * Coming soon... |
| 10:00.10 | beni_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8 |
| 10:00.16 | Bish | ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host |
| 10:00.18 | Bish | :( |
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| 10:00.28 | beni_ | they make it very thrilling |
| 10:00.37 | Bish | beni_: yeah we all already read this page :p |
| 10:00.39 | beni_ | Bish: unplug and replug usb |
| 10:00.46 | zogs | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.55 | trickie|work | Bish: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 10:01.00 | Bish | zogs: i cant.. without terminal |
| 10:01.03 | beni_ | Bish: then i had an old version in my cache, i saw it just this moment |
| 10:01.14 | zogs | in your pc |
| 10:01.33 | Bish | zogs: -_- |
| 10:01.41 | beni_ | ok, im out, have fun everyone! |
| 10:01.44 | beni_ | nice weekend |
| 10:01.51 | TankC | the mokomake fails on my computer in the very beginning |
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| 10:02.03 | TankC | after it checks out the first git repository |
| 10:02.04 | Bish | ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host |
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| 10:02.08 | Bish | pisses me off |
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| 10:03.52 | kd8ikt | anyone else here besides me rock ipv6? |
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| 10:05.34 | Bish | fuck ! |
| 10:05.44 | Bish | cant connect to the freerunner |
| 10:06.40 | lpotter | try to reboot |
| 10:06.49 | Bish | which one, destop or freerunner? |
| 10:07.12 | lpotter | freerunner. if you just flashed I have found it needs to reboot to connect to usbnet |
| 10:07.26 | lpotter | the latest images anyway |
| 10:08.57 | Infoport | hello all ! I am still having an issue where my phone doesnt send or receive sound-- happened after I tried to store my settings in .state file, but I dont know where to change it back |
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| 10:10.39 | Infoport | I'm not sure I understand all of the alsamixer settings, and I haven't found what settings/files change call volumes for me |
| 10:11.16 | Bish | lpotter: i rebootet it several times |
| 10:11.44 | Infoport | btw, I'm running OM2007.2 with regular opkg upgrades |
| 10:13.40 | trickie|work | Bish: do you have the usb interface up on your PC? |
| 10:14.10 | Bish | sure.. i already used it |
| 10:15.24 | trickie|work | Bish: but is it up now, and on the same subnet as 192.168.0.202? |
| 10:15.45 | trickie|work | usb network interface i mean |
| 10:16.11 | kd8ikt | heh cmon tell me someone has ipv6 listening |
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| 10:16.23 | kd8ikt | i wanna show you somethin |
| 10:16.35 | kd8ikt | and i'm not about to forward ports |
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| 10:16.54 | Bish | trickie|work: yes it does. |
| 10:17.09 | Bish | trickie|work: i know how ipv4 works |
| 10:17.21 | Bish | and i know how usbnetworking works |
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| 10:17.35 | trickie|work | Bish: alright, just trying to debug with you :) |
| 10:17.49 | trickie|work | Bish: your modules must be out of sync with your kernel then |
| 10:17.52 | Bish | yeah okay. thanks. ims orry |
| 10:18.03 | trickie|work | on your FR |
| 10:18.15 | Bish | hm.. flashed the newest qtopia image |
| 10:18.24 | Bish | maybe i go back to om2007.2... |
| 10:18.28 | Bish | or wait for 2008.8 xD |
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| 10:18.50 | trickie|work | well recently usb gadget ether was split out as a module |
| 10:19.34 | dbmoodb | btw first to launch / grab it md5sum it then post that ifs it not then bittorrent it |
| 10:19.45 | trickie|work | Bish: id wait till later today for the 2008.8 and flash kernel and rootfs |
| 10:20.08 | trickie|work | then you can be sure you have the correct modules... considering all the recent changes in kernel config |
| 10:20.43 | Bish | ah okay, thanks |
| 10:20.47 | Infoport | trickie: I read the Wiki about needing the modules, and followed it, but I had already rebooted many times with no USB problem, so I wonder if they finally tied it in with a dependency |
| 10:21.47 | trickie|work | Infoport: yeah should be fixed with recent builds i think |
| 10:21.55 | trickie|work | as long as you reflashed kernel and rootfs |
| 10:22.00 | trickie|work | from the same build |
| 10:22.28 | trickie|work | then from now on you can just opkg upgrade your way to new kernels/modules |
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| 10:23.54 | Infoport | trickie|work: I had only updated the phone via opkg-- no full flashes-- and never had the problem. using newer uBoot now, but I saw the Wiki on those kernel modules about 4 days after the thread started |
| 10:24.53 | trickie|work | Infoport: yep sounds the right way... i think alot of people were flashing kernel updates with the corresponding rootfs from the same build... and that worked ok sometimes |
| 10:25.01 | trickie|work | but not anymore |
| 10:25.11 | trickie|work | sorry |
| 10:25.29 | trickie|work | *without* the corresponding rootfs |
| 10:25.35 | xt | anyone have openvpn running on freerunner? Are there any gotchas? |
| 10:27.57 | Infoport | can anyone help me with "no sound in calls"? I tried to follow Wiki (and threads) on setting a normal volume with alsamixer, and store in .state files, and now I get/send no sound during calls :-( |
| 10:28.11 | kd8ikt | aw wtf my ssh keys arent working |
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| 10:31.17 | Infoport | if anyone could send me sane .state files (i.e. /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state), maybe I could see diff where mine are borked |
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| 10:33.04 | thebohemia1 | anyone experiencing this problem as well? |
| 10:33.04 | thebohemia1 | git fetch git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git stable failed with signal 128, output: |
| 10:33.04 | thebohemia1 | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
| 10:33.04 | thebohemia1 | fatal: Fetch failure: git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git |
| 10:33.04 | thebohemia1 | NOTE: package linux-openmoko-2.6.24+gitr855f715f8568a50391d1526ab2954925c08dab79-r4: task do_fetch: failed |
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| 10:36.58 | Infoport | can anyone help me with "no sound in calls"? haven't received or sent sound in calls since trying to follow Wiki to set good starting volumes, and don't know where it is fouled. Maybe someone could send me good .state files? |
| 10:38.11 | thebohemia1 | mickeyl: I got answer from the district court regarding OE e.V. today: I have to send money and we need to fix a few minor issues in our statutes |
| 10:38.20 | mickeyl | thebohemia1: good! |
| 10:38.22 | mickeyl | progress |
| 10:38.27 | thebohemia1 | mickeyl: I will write a mail about this after work (or tomorrow) |
| 10:38.31 | mickeyl | excellent thanks. |
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| 10:38.36 | mickeyl | how much do they ask for? |
| 10:38.48 | thebohemia1 | 65⬠|
| 10:39.21 | Infoport | thebohemial: was your error from upgrading through opkg? I just tried, and it is working for me |
| 10:41.39 | thebohemia1 | Infoport: no, I try to build a package from openmoko using OE org.oe.dev branch (I assume this is not always in sync with OM's OE metadata repository, right?) |
| 10:43.19 | thebohemia1 | food! |
| 10:45.47 | Infoport | please, can anyone help me with "no sound in calls" issue? I've been beating my head for days! :-( |
| 10:47.10 | kd8ikt | Infoport: |
| 10:47.22 | kd8ikt | http://moko.mwester.net/ |
| 10:47.35 | kd8ikt | that may or maynot work, bear in mind its probably a bit old |
| 10:47.58 | kd8ikt | feel free to hassle mwester about it next time you see him in here |
| 10:49.27 | andred | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ *wink* |
| 10:49.52 | Tig| | andred: woot :) ta :) |
| 10:49.54 | kd8ikt | heh nice andred |
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| 10:50.08 | kd8ikt | people have been looking for that for hours |
| 10:50.12 | dbmoodb | ah.... |
| 10:50.23 | dbmoodb | Coming soon... (initialy scheduled fo 2008/08/08, but not ready yet) |
| 10:51.17 | dbmoodb | ah it just updated |
| 10:51.25 | dbmoodb | seems they are running a buildbot on it and syncing it up |
| 10:51.37 | Tig| | odd it is downloading here |
| 10:52.11 | dbmoodb | Tig|: so its out ? |
| 10:52.26 | Tig| | well I have just downloaded something |
| 10:52.38 | dbmoodb | --- hope you have backed up |
| 10:52.42 | dbmoodb | i'm doing that now |
| 10:52.56 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r14c7a87f4af0 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: fix property names in org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetInfo(), thanks Ainulindale! |
| 10:53.26 | Infoport | kd81kt: was that URL for my audio problem? pactl stat shows pulseaudio server running (but no sound in call) |
| 10:54.01 | kd8ikt | ... is that after a suspend or just deafultly? |
| 10:54.17 | kd8ikt | defaultly |
| 10:54.55 | dbmoodb | Tig|: flashing ? |
| 10:55.02 | Bish | 2008.8 is out, but not ready guis |
| 10:55.06 | Bish | guys* |
| 10:55.15 | Bish | 2008.8 was sheudeled for today, but its still buggy |
| 10:55.19 | Bish | but youre able to download it from |
| 10:55.22 | Bish | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ |
| 10:55.25 | Infoport | kd81kt: no sound to/from my phone, since about July28, even with updates a minute ago and a reboot |
| 10:55.30 | dbmoodb | what is buggy ? |
| 10:55.36 | Tig| | Bish: ah I will not start the flashing then :) |
| 10:55.41 | kd8ikt | what image you using Infoport |
| 10:55.52 | Bish | Tig|: i thinks its more stable then the qtopia images ^^ |
| 10:56.05 | dbmoodb | Tig|: i will download it and shove it on an sdcard... |
| 10:56.08 | Infoport | kd8ikt: sorry, I'm using 2007.2, updated regularly with opkg |
| 10:56.20 | kd8ikt | something to keep you busy untile there is a "stable" ver |
| 10:56.24 | Infoport | on mass-sales GTA02v5 |
| 10:56.33 | Bish | keep you busy |
| 10:56.33 | Tig| | biab |
| 10:56.33 | Bish | hehe |
| 10:57.01 | kd8ikt | just dont fill the mailing list with todays 2008.8 is that what you mean Bish |
| 10:57.07 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 10:58.09 | Bish | yes :D |
| 10:58.10 | dbmoodb | well tlhe wiki just changed |
| 10:58.16 | dbmoodb | seems to be out to me |
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| 10:58.29 | Bish | sounds great |
| 10:58.39 | kd8ikt | grow some balls people wheres your sense of adventure just flash the bugger |
| 10:58.46 | Bish | :D |
| 10:58.58 | Bish | i mean what happend, your balls dropped of? |
| 10:58.58 | Bish | :D |
| 10:59.02 | kd8ikt | programming... the final frontier |
| 10:59.03 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: yeah after you do it first |
| 10:59.08 | dbmoodb | deal ? |
| 10:59.11 | Bish | im flashing right now |
| 10:59.21 | Infoport | my sense of adventure is currently in a phone that does everything *BUT* make phone calls :-( |
| 10:59.44 | kd8ikt | then flash it Infoport |
| 11:00.08 | Bish | will start a gentoo-distro for the freerunner :P |
| 11:00.09 | kd8ikt | me i'm kinda still mesing with all my computers |
| 11:00.21 | dbmoodb | Bish: damn it there is already a debian iamge posted bish |
| 11:00.32 | dbmoodb | but Bish go ahead anyways :) |
| 11:00.33 | Bish | dbmoodb: i dont care about fkkng debian |
| 11:00.35 | zash | Bish: isn't oe based on gentoo? |
| 11:00.39 | zash | Bish: or was it debian |
| 11:00.43 | zash | something |
| 11:00.49 | kd8ikt | evidently some rsa keys i had made like months ago have become blacklisted |
| 11:00.50 | Bish | zash: i dont care :D i will use gentoo :P |
| 11:00.50 | Zorkman | damn, why is there no targ.gz for 2008.8?? |
| 11:00.59 | Zorkman | that is much easier for mounting on SD |
| 11:01.00 | Bish | Zorkman: cant u mount jffs2? |
| 11:01.01 | kd8ikt | so now i'm trying to replace all keys |
| 11:01.25 | Zorkman | Bish: it is complicated to do that with a jffs2, no? |
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| 11:01.49 | Infoport | yeah I guess flashing it is the *easy* way out, but I'd like to know what mixer settings are fouled |
| 11:01.52 | zash | kd8ikt: imagine what happens if you dissable plaintext logins |
| 11:01.59 | kd8ikt | because there was a flaw with ssl? dunno what ssl has to do with rsa, but my ssh keys have been blacklisted |
| 11:01.59 | dbmoodb | Bish: yeah well i don't want to emerge on my damn phone dude |
| 11:02.02 | Bish | Zorkman: dont know.. let me try |
| 11:02.06 | Bish | dbmoodb: i do :D |
| 11:02.24 | dbmoodb | emerge world -- come back 6 days later |
| 11:02.27 | dbmoodb | damn still isn't done |
| 11:02.32 | dns53 | kd8ikt they both use the same library |
| 11:02.39 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 11:02.46 | Infoport | Bish: I would rather see a LiveCD with a development setup and emulator |
| 11:02.56 | kd8ikt | hope noone comprimised my servser then |
| 11:03.13 | Bish | dbmoodb: somone tried to compile openoffice with the freerunner |
| 11:03.19 | dbmoodb | ahahahaha |
| 11:03.19 | Zorkman | can't find the instruction for jffs2-> SD anymore on the wiki... |
| 11:03.21 | kd8ikt | lol |
| 11:03.26 | Bish | dbmoodb: no even. on the neo1973 |
| 11:03.26 | dbmoodb | AHAHAHAHA |
| 11:03.43 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mounting_the_JFFS2_image_on_a_loop_back_device_.28Block_Memory_MTD_Emulation.29 |
| 11:03.44 | dns53 | give me a sec Zorkman |
| 11:03.45 | dbmoodb | Zorkman: its under qtopia |
| 11:03.46 | Bish | Zorkman: its just an fs .. its in the linux mainline kernel like evrything else |
| 11:03.56 | kd8ikt | -----------------------------------^ Zorkman |
| 11:04.05 | dbmoodb | it doesn't work for me under ubuntu |
| 11:04.08 | dbmoodb | reboots |
| 11:04.09 | Dave | Zorkman Zorkman Zorkman |
| 11:04.10 | Bish | dbmoodb: it was running 2 weeks, then he aborted compiling openoffice :D |
| 11:04.31 | kd8ikt | he tried compiling it on the freerunner? |
| 11:04.40 | dns53 | you need to install a package first dbmoodb |
| 11:04.54 | dbmoodb | dns53: which ? |
| 11:04.58 | kd8ikt | thats fucking retarded, even on my gentoo 2.4Ghz box it takes like a day |
| 11:05.02 | dns53 | mtd-tools |
| 11:05.13 | Bish | kd8ikt: :D yes |
| 11:05.13 | dbmoodb | oh go fish was in debian etch |
| 11:05.21 | kd8ikt | thats why i opt for the emerge openoffice-bin now |
| 11:05.34 | Bish | evryone emerges openoffice-bin :P |
| 11:05.48 | kd8ikt | i cant believe he didnt atleast crosscompile it |
| 11:06.00 | kd8ikt | who is this so i can poke fun of him |
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| 11:06.34 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: can i run those commands from the FR? because i do not have a cardreader in my pc |
| 11:06.49 | kd8ikt | huh? |
| 11:07.01 | Zorkman | export loop=$(losetup -f) |
| 11:07.10 | Zorkman | en the rest |
| 11:07.10 | kd8ikt | no you mount it on your computer then tar up the filesystem and scp it to your phone |
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| 11:07.21 | confidential2 | so om2008.8 is out now? |
| 11:07.21 | kd8ikt | thats sjust sill Zorkman |
| 11:07.28 | kd8ikt | silly* |
| 11:07.32 | Zorkman | i'm new to linux you know... |
| 11:07.43 | Infoport | really? is "reinstall" the only solution anyone has for my sounds problem? (that's soooo Windows :-P ) |
| 11:07.43 | kd8ikt | do you want me to make a tgz for you? |
| 11:07.45 | Bish | i like the idea about a mobile gentoo :) |
| 11:07.54 | dbmoodb | i still can't mount it you know mtd-toold didn't work |
| 11:08.07 | Bish | Zorkman: youre new to linux and buying something like a freerunner? |
| 11:08.33 | Zorkman | gotta start somewhere :p |
| 11:08.38 | ike | wow. ;-) |
| 11:08.39 | Bish | okay |
| 11:08.41 | Bish | good argument :p |
| 11:08.51 | dbmoodb | so.. any other packages i need ? |
| 11:08.58 | Infoport | hey Zorkman is jumping in with both feet! :thumbup: |
| 11:09.00 | Bish | Zorkman: a good start is .. stage1 gentoo |
| 11:09.02 | Bish | on the FR |
| 11:09.59 | dbmoodb | Bish: good luck with that |
| 11:10.21 | Infoport | Zorkman you can partition the cards on the FR, using USB networking from your host (or type it on the tiny keyboard) and put everything on the SD card with it in the FR |
| 11:11.08 | CVirus | 2008.8 out |
| 11:11.10 | ecraven | bumbl: hey ;) did you get gentoo running yet? |
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| 11:13.02 | kd8ikt | hey Zorkman you lazy butthole http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/Om2008.8.tar.gz |
| 11:13.04 | bumbl | nah not yet; I haven't had that much time |
| 11:13.15 | Infoport | one last plea for help... can anyone help me with no-sound-in-calls? maybe send me your good .state files from /usr/share/openmoko/scenarioes/ ? my other fix is to reinstall (reflash) the whole thing, and that is such a Windoze solution |
| 11:13.17 | bumbl | got up to compiling the kernel |
| 11:13.24 | kd8ikt | seriously how long did that take me? like 2 min i'm da bomb |
| 11:13.27 | bumbl | so I am nearly done with the basic installation |
| 11:13.36 | ecraven | bumbl: did you set up a cross compiler? |
| 11:13.41 | ecraven | or a dist-cc setup ;) |
| 11:13.47 | bumbl | not yet |
| 11:13.56 | bumbl | ecraven: icecc |
| 11:14.16 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: i'm not lazy, i was downloading the jjfs2 |
| 11:14.20 | Zorkman | but thank yo very much |
| 11:14.27 | bumbl | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_An_ICECREAM_Compile_Cluster |
| 11:14.52 | ecraven | bumbl: icewm control center? |
| 11:15.01 | CVirus | anybody flashing their phone yet ? |
| 11:15.10 | zedstar_ | so 2008.2 is available for download |
| 11:15.14 | zedstar_ | .8 |
| 11:15.19 | CVirus | yes |
| 11:15.21 | ecraven | bumbl: i should try gentoo again some time |
| 11:15.21 | kd8ikt | and if you cant uncompress a tar.gz so help me |
| 11:15.28 | Elleo | zedstar_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8 |
| 11:15.34 | CVirus | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 11:15.35 | CVirus | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin |
| 11:15.47 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: i'v'e done dualboot since the first day i got the freerunner, i'm new to this but i'm not sutpid |
| 11:15.49 | kd8ikt | http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/Om2008.8.tar.gz |
| 11:16.09 | kd8ikt | i'm just giving you shit cause its fun |
| 11:16.22 | zedstar_ | anyone flashed it yet? |
| 11:16.22 | kd8ikt | :D |
| 11:16.26 | Zorkman | i don't mind :) |
| 11:16.39 | kd8ikt | you better mind it |
| 11:16.49 | kd8ikt | or else i'll go ape %$^%^$ |
| 11:16.53 | Dave | export Zorkman |
| 11:16.56 | Infoport | heck, I'm gona try the dual boot on FR, and see what .state files it has... off to toggle bits! l8r! |
| 11:16.59 | Dave | :P |
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| 11:17.18 | kd8ikt | export Dave=FAIL |
| 11:17.19 | zash | kd8ikt: watch it, i might try to decode that as a regex |
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| 11:17.30 | Zorkman | Infoport: i have an unmodified state file backup somewhere |
| 11:17.36 | Kev_ | hi :) |
| 11:17.41 | Zorkman | llo dave |
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| 11:17.52 | kd8ikt | s//regular/expressions/fail |
| 11:18.10 | Kev_ | 2008.8 is released, I want to install it to the SD card, is there a way for tripple boot between 2007.2, 2008.2 and Qtopia? |
| 11:18.11 | Dave | hoooooooooi :D |
| 11:18.21 | Infoport | Zorkman: really? would you mind sending them to me? TIA |
| 11:18.24 | bumbl | ecraven: the porblem is: when I boot from a livecd and compile something the laptop gets too hot and halts itself (acpid and lm_sensors solve this problem) so the installation takes its time |
| 11:18.25 | Dave | kev, eww |
| 11:18.29 | bumbl | Davy |
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| 11:18.42 | kd8ikt | hey kev if you didnt knotice i just made a tarball of it for SDcard usage |
| 11:18.44 | Dave | ecraven! |
| 11:18.46 | Dave | bumble :) |
| 11:18.47 | Zorkman | Kev_:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card do tha same with another partition and adjust the u-boot |
| 11:18.55 | Zorkman | I'll searh Infoport |
| 11:19.00 | andylockran | hey guys |
| 11:19.04 | ecraven | bumbl: lol, sounds like fun |
| 11:19.06 | Kev_ | a cool, thanks :) |
| 11:19.18 | kd8ikt | of course my uplaod spees is amazinlgy slow so downloading the jffs and mounting/tarballing it yourself might be faster |
| 11:19.19 | bumbl | ecraven: yes |
| 11:19.38 | Dave | hvordan står det til med mine utenlandske venner? |
| 11:19.46 | Bish | dbmoodb: thanks man |
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| 11:19.48 | Kev_ | but another thing, at the moment I have the 2007.2 in the flash, Does it work, if I copy the files to a new SD partition? |
| 11:20.21 | Bish | Kev_: u want to copy NAND -> sdcard? |
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| 11:20.35 | Dave | all your nand are belong to me |
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| 11:20.39 | confidential2 | Dave: hvem er det du kaller utenlandsk...?:P |
| 11:20.46 | Kev_ | yes, because I want to use the new 2008.8 as main system |
| 11:20.47 | Bish | english pls? |
| 11:20.51 | andylockran | I hear there are quite a few cyclists interested in using the moko as a (very advanced) cycle computer |
| 11:20.58 | confidential2 | yeh, sry:P |
| 11:21.01 | Bish | Kev_: i would say.. just backup your NAND with dfu_util |
| 11:21.03 | Kev_ | so I want to copy my old and modified 2007.2 to the SD |
| 11:21.12 | andylockran | which of the gps track upload sites does anyone recommend for cycling? |
| 11:21.12 | Dave | confidential dududu :D |
| 11:21.27 | Bish | Kev_: .. first backup your nand, then u can try to copy evrything, or even unpack :P |
| 11:21.36 | Bish | u cant copy a running linux system |
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| 11:21.45 | Bish | but a.. "suspendet" one |
| 11:21.54 | Kev_ | yes.. I know... always have a backup :) ok I will try |
| 11:21.54 | Zorkman | Infoport: http://www.sendspace.com/file/dme0vj |
| 11:22.07 | Zorkman | ah wait, no that is my modified one, will upload the original, sorry |
| 11:22.16 | dingman | Bish, you *shouldn't* copy a running file system. It's rolling the dice. But I've won that gamble more than once ;) |
| 11:22.28 | Zorkman | Infoport: original: http://www.sendspace.com/file/j91a1m |
| 11:22.38 | Kev_ | yes, but I now that I can't copy a running system, but I can run qtopia from SD card and then copy the nand to the SD? |
| 11:23.15 | confidential2 | is there any point in flashing the boot loader...? |
| 11:23.26 | Infoport | Kev_: you can boot from NOR, and backup NAND |
| 11:23.57 | Bish | dingman: doesnt matter ! |
| 11:24.06 | Bish | dingman: if something can broke if u do it, i wouldnt do it |
| 11:24.08 | Infoport | Zorkman THANK YOU!!!! I'll go see now if that fixes it |
| 11:24.08 | Bish | so U CANT |
| 11:24.36 | Zorkman | np |
| 11:25.07 | dingman | Bish: it doesn't break the source no matter what, so as long as you test your copy before you do anything to the original, I don't worry. |
| 11:25.14 | Dave | confidential, hvor i norge kommer du fra? |
| 11:26.00 | Bish | grmz |
| 11:26.07 | Bish | just .. use clean dfu backup |
| 11:26.28 | Bish | wifi... unknown |
| 11:26.30 | Bish | haha, thats great |
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| 11:31.32 | koenigjm | anyone compile dfu-util on fedora recently? |
| 11:32.15 | koenigjm | I seem to be having some issues with libusb -> gcc -Wall -g -O2 -static -o dfu-util_static main.o sam7dfu.o dfu.o -lusb |
| 11:32.15 | koenigjm | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lusb |
| 11:32.15 | koenigjm | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 11:32.15 | koenigjm | make[3]: *** [dfu-util_static] Error 1 |
| 11:32.15 | koenigjm | make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/koenigjm/workspace/openmoko/dfu-util/src' |
| 11:32.41 | darkjames | koenigjm, install libusb. |
| 11:32.51 | koenigjm | I did, and libusb-devel |
| 11:33.14 | darkjames | $ ls /usr/lib/libusb.* |
| 11:33.14 | darkjames | /usr/lib/libusb.a /usr/lib/libusb.la /usr/lib/libusb.so |
| 11:33.23 | darkjames | $ ld -lusb |
| 11:33.23 | darkjames | ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; not setting start address |
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| 11:34.58 | koenigjm | only one in /usr/lib is libusb.so, and a bunch of 01.so.4's |
| 11:35.17 | koenigjm | no .la or .a |
| 11:35.22 | Infoport | Zorkman thanks! I have sounds in calls again, just need to adjust to remove echo, but it works (think the culprit was a value "Constant PGA Gain" vs "Mute ADC Output") |
| 11:35.23 | darkjames | so you can't compile dfu-util with -static |
| 11:36.51 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 11:36.51 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
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| 11:38.55 | Zorkman | you're welcome |
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| 11:39.59 | koenigjm | darkjames: Thanks for the top..a quick yum search showed another package called libusb-static ;) |
| 11:40.08 | confidential2 | when I boot 2008.8 I am asked the pin code for the sim card, but the keyboard showing on the bottom only has letters. How do I change the input method as you can do with qtopia? |
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| 11:44.53 | Zorkman | when booting 2008.8 i get an error during the loading screen with the boots: |
| 11:44.59 | Zorkman | the qpe process vanished |
| 11:45.05 | Zorkman | i can restart or exit, but nothing responds :) |
| 11:46.40 | hiciu | i got error this too :P |
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| 11:47.41 | Zorkman | any way to resolv this? |
| 11:47.52 | mmaestri | hi all |
| 11:48.24 | mmaestri | Zorkman: asu is out? |
| 11:48.39 | confidential2 | yep |
| 11:49.03 | Zorkman | jup |
| 11:49.14 | Zorkman | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ |
| 11:49.24 | Zorkman | but it doesn't boot here.. i get an error.. |
| 11:49.29 | mmaestri | yes, i've just seen it |
| 11:49.31 | koenigjm | where I can I modify which loading screen is used during startup on 2007.2? After I upgraded fully last night, I seem to have two load screen... |
| 11:49.54 | mmaestri | ...and...is it worth? |
| 11:49.57 | confidential2 | Zorkman: did you flash the kernel as well? |
| 11:50.07 | Zorkman | yes |
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| 11:50.49 | confidential2 | how do I change the input keyboard in 2008.8 so that I can write numbers? |
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| 11:52.36 | Zorkman | i can ssh in, does anyone have a sollution? hiciu? |
| 11:53.02 | hiciu | no, i don't have any |
| 11:53.26 | xt | someone update topic maybe |
| 11:53.47 | dns53 | you in the same ip range? 192.168.0.* |
| 11:53.49 | Infoport | Zorkman: can you answer another Q? in the .state file, the Wiki says change "Speaker Playback Volume" to 112-- is this vale.0 or value.1? what do the two values mean? |
| 11:53.53 | koenigjm | what kernel do you need to update to for 2008.8? |
| 11:55.04 | Ainulindale | confidential2: make an bottom-up movement on the keyboard |
| 11:55.07 | Ainulindale | -n |
| 11:55.12 | Dave | Zorkman, make my scum work :) |
| 11:55.41 | confidential2 | Ainulindale: thanks alot :) |
| 11:55.51 | Dave | Ainulindale! |
| 11:56.25 | Blalien | How is 2008.8 working at this point? |
| 11:56.29 | Ainulindale | You're welcome |
| 11:56.41 | Dave | How goes it, Ainu? |
| 11:56.50 | mmaestri | Zorkman: are you having trouble to ssh the fr? |
| 11:56.54 | Ainulindale | how goes what ? |
| 11:57.33 | Dave | Things, development :) |
| 11:57.56 | Dave | In other news, why does my AUX red indefinitely illuminated? |
| 11:57.59 | Ainulindale | I'll release a beta version of libframeworkd-glib tomorrow I think |
| 11:58.15 | Dave | ainulinadale, cool, will it be volatile? :p |
| 11:59.22 | Ainulindale | volatile ? |
| 11:59.28 | Dave | nevermind. |
| 11:59.35 | Ainulindale | Man it's sloooooow here |
| 11:59.37 | Dave | When will your work on mood begin? :P |
| 12:00.01 | Ainulindale | I don't knox |
| 12:00.04 | Ainulindale | -x+w |
| 12:00.09 | Dave | Aww, okay |
| 12:00.12 | Ainulindale | I have other things to do. |
| 12:00.13 | Dave | Just wondering |
| 12:00.14 | Ainulindale | More important. |
| 12:00.15 | Dave | yeah yeah |
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| 12:00.49 | Dave | Zorkman, what did I have to do again? |
| 12:02.01 | Ainulindale | Well, qpe takes about 40% of the CPU and 20% of the memory |
| 12:02.22 | Dave | ouch |
| 12:02.38 | Dave | and neod takes 120% :D |
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| 12:04.15 | Dave | bah |
| 12:04.37 | Dave | waaar is zorkman... ze game mastar |
| 12:06.08 | Zorkman | ik ben er |
| 12:06.11 | Zorkman | what's up? |
| 12:06.18 | El_Senator | can anyone tell me if it is normal for the official ASU image to go into somekind of deep suspend mode right after X i opened? |
| 12:07.10 | mwester | I would have hoped that would be fixed by now, but the older images had a tendency to decide that it was time to suspend, even before user-space was entirely started. |
| 12:07.28 | El_Senator | it seems to be wellknown |
| 12:07.30 | confidential2 | I am only able to acces the internet through the wifi, but the Installer application doesn't seem to be able to use wifi...? |
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| 12:07.38 | El_Senator | it's up at the 2008.8 page it seems |
| 12:07.39 | El_Senator | at the bottom |
| 12:07.44 | Dave | Zorkman! :D |
| 12:08.14 | Dave | Zorkman, lbreakout2 isn't working, and neither is scum, and oh yeah, I have questions about numpty |
| 12:08.17 | Dave | :p |
| 12:08.48 | Zorkman | :) |
| 12:08.51 | Zorkman | on what image? |
| 12:08.55 | kd8ikt | numpty is kewl |
| 12:08.56 | Dave | GTK :p |
| 12:09.02 | Dave | it would be, if it worked |
| 12:09.10 | Zorkman | what doesn't work? |
| 12:09.12 | kd8ikt | i like droping anvils on the stick poeple |
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| 12:09.14 | Zorkman | (specific) |
| 12:09.22 | Dave | yeah, well |
| 12:09.36 | Dave | the stylus is too sensitive which makes it difficult to play |
| 12:09.47 | Dave | plus the drawing offset (might be related to pointercal though) |
| 12:10.01 | Dave | Zorkman, well, is there any way to restart a level in numpty? |
| 12:10.07 | Dave | otherwise it gets tiring and pointless to play |
| 12:10.10 | Zorkman | opdate your 2007.2, then there is no more offset |
| 12:10.24 | Zorkman | yeah, you can use "n" to go to the next level |
| 12:10.31 | Dave | n? |
| 12:10.31 | Kev_ | hm |
| 12:10.31 | Zorkman | or just use the arrows when you have completed a level |
| 12:10.36 | Zorkman | yes, the key "n" |
| 12:10.38 | Dave | yes I know |
| 12:10.41 | Dave | there is no keyboard. |
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| 12:10.46 | Zorkman | install one |
| 12:10.48 | Kev_ | what does dfu_upload error -84 mean? is there a list of the errors? |
| 12:10.50 | Dave | -_-; |
| 12:11.05 | Dave | kev, look at the source, or search for it? |
| 12:11.11 | Dave | zorkman, gimme gimme :P |
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| 12:11.28 | trickie|work | anyone know who im supposed to enter a sim pin with numbers in it, when there is no numbers on the keyboard? in 2008.8 this is |
| 12:11.38 | kd8ikt | oh youre using 2007+numpty |
| 12:11.53 | Dave | trickie, flip the keyboard up |
| 12:12.04 | kd8ikt | well then your screwed but i think there is a keyboard applet that lives on the top taskbar |
| 12:12.09 | Dave | kd8, well, I'm using the latest |
| 12:12.11 | Zorkman | dave: pm |
| 12:12.13 | Dave | lives on the top taskbar? |
| 12:12.16 | Dave | okay ^^ |
| 12:12.24 | Dave | sekret chatz |
| 12:12.54 | kd8ikt | dunno wich one though... i'm sure youve seen screenshots on scap.linuxtogo that have a lil keyboard on the top bar |
| 12:13.05 | trickie|work | Dave: ok thanks ill try, i shutdown before it locked my pin, as everything i touched tried to submit the pin code and errored |
| 12:13.06 | kd8ikt | anyone know baout that for dave ? |
| 12:13.15 | trickie|work | kd8ikt: i think thats gone |
| 12:13.18 | trickie|work | in 2008.8 |
| 12:13.24 | trickie|work | the applet thingo |
| 12:13.32 | Dave | :x |
| 12:13.35 | cbrake | playing with 2008.8 -- looks great :-) |
| 12:13.36 | kd8ikt | for for 2007 <thats what dave is on right now> |
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| 12:13.43 | Dave | yeah :P |
| 12:13.43 | cbrake | where is the battery status? |
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| 12:13.51 | Dave | click the battery icon |
| 12:13.52 | Dave | :p |
| 12:13.57 | kd8ikt | der |
| 12:13.59 | cbrake | all I see si the charge icon |
| 12:14.06 | cbrake | even when USB is unplugged |
| 12:14.07 | Dave | it's charging |
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| 12:14.13 | trickie|work | kd8ikt: ah right, sorry laggy irc connection here not getting all comments at once |
| 12:14.17 | Dave | cbrake, wait a minute :) |
| 12:14.27 | kd8ikt | talk to dave then |
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| 12:15.37 | Zorkman | anybody booting 2008.8 from sd? |
| 12:17.53 | confidential2 | can't the installer connect through wifi? |
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| 12:20.02 | cbrake | Dave: still showing the little lightning bolt ... |
| 12:20.31 | cbrake | maybe I need a good old fashioned reboot |
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| 12:21.07 | Zorkman | anybody have a sollution for the qpe error? |
| 12:21.09 | Dave | hmm |
| 12:21.13 | Dave | qpe error? |
| 12:21.31 | Zorkman | when booting 2008.8 |
| 12:21.34 | Zorkman | it won't boot :( |
| 12:21.46 | Dave | oh, you mean where it Openmoko's you to death? :D |
| 12:21.53 | Zorkman | "The qpe process vanished. This is bad." |
| 12:21.58 | Dave | o_O |
| 12:22.02 | Dave | scary |
| 12:22.10 | Dave | better than *spank* *spank* *spank* :p |
| 12:22.38 | Dave | knuffelt Zorkman |
| 12:22.45 | Dave | cooool the keyboard works now ^^ |
| 12:23.16 | Zorkman | kd8ikt: could it be there is something wrong with your tar.gz? |
| 12:23.46 | Zorkman | anyone: i there a way to emulate a keypress via ssh? (i want to emulate "F1") |
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| 12:23.57 | Dave | Oh, so did you ever get that magic 8ball to work? |
| 12:24.05 | Dave | or it still crashes everybody's freerunner? :P |
| 12:24.07 | Zorkman | (nope) |
| 12:25.31 | spdr | what is the name of the bluetooth device on FR ? |
| 12:26.08 | cbrake | still don't see the battery icon after reboot -- still the lightning bolt :-( |
| 12:26.40 | mwester | I think that means it's charging. |
| 12:26.46 | Dave | Zorkman did you have a nice icon for breakout2? :D |
| 12:27.14 | cbrake | mwester: there is no charger plugged in for quite some time |
| 12:27.28 | mwester | Oh, ok. That's not good then. |
| 12:27.48 | Dave | oh, and is the Categories in the desktop file comma-delimited? :o |
| 12:27.52 | mwester | It lags, but not more than 10 seconds or so in my experiene. |
| 12:28.29 | Dave | mwester, in my experience 60seconds is the time it can take |
| 12:28.44 | mwester | 2007.2 firmware? |
| 12:28.50 | Dave | at least on the older gtk images it needed a sixty second refresh period unless the home screen was forcibly refreshed |
| 12:29.54 | xt | um - so no default usb network on om2008.8 ? |
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| 12:31.04 | trickie|work | xt: i have |
| 12:31.19 | trickie|work | xt: did you flash kernel *and* rootfs? |
| 12:31.24 | xt | ye |
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| 12:31.56 | trickie|work | did your FR go to sleep on you? |
| 12:32.10 | xt | it did , but I booted it |
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| 12:32.24 | xt | turned off suspend |
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| 12:32.30 | Zorkman | XorA: would it be possible to in the future also make a tar.gz file of the rootfs of 2008.8? |
| 12:32.44 | Zorkman | that makes it easier when you boot from SD |
| 12:32.51 | XorA | Zorkman: I dont control 2008.8 |
| 12:33.13 | xt | what about wifi ? or terminal ? |
| 12:33.16 | Zorkman | k, sorry, thought you controled everything on those servers ) |
| 12:33.19 | xt | feeling lost ! |
| 12:33.37 | XorA | Zorkman: 2008.8 comes from an internal server I cant access |
| 12:33.56 | mwester | :( |
| 12:34.21 | Ainulindale | well, no network with 2008.8 |
| 12:35.07 | mwester | decides its time to repartition his SD card, and add a few more "boot" menu items -- too many images to test, and reflashing is becoming tedious. |
| 12:35.26 | mwester | I wonder if the uboot code can handle extended partitions? |
| 12:35.44 | xt | so - USB should work? |
| 12:36.04 | XorA | xt: you need to boot twice for USB to work |
| 12:36.30 | xt | huh - ok |
| 12:36.51 | xt | that def. sounds like something that should be on the wiki ^^ |
| 12:37.07 | zogs | where is keynumber for pin on 2008.8? |
| 12:37.17 | XorA | xt: on first boot, modules arent configured, then opkg configure runs, postinst happens, modules are configured and next reboot they load |
| 12:37.27 | *** topic/#openmoko by Ainulindale -> Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Developers should join #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | buildhost.openmoko.org does not have ASU on it | 200808 means August not 2008.8 | Keynumber for 2008.8 : finger slide up on the keyboard |
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| 12:38.24 | Infoport | bye all! food time |
| 12:38.36 | Dave | heh |
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| 12:44.44 | spdr | is it worth flashing 20080808 ? |
| 12:44.58 | spdr | is it usable as a phone, wifi, or anything? :0 |
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| 12:45.12 | xt | it's very good at dimming your screen |
| 12:45.47 | spdr | besides that? nothing? :p |
| 12:46.03 | xt | I couldnt get wifi or usb to work |
| 12:46.10 | Karrde | usb works |
| 12:46.12 | xt | so that pretty much leaves suduko |
| 12:46.22 | Elleo | have there been changes to the usbnet configuration in 2008.08? As I can no longer connect to it as 192.168.0.202 (which worked with previous ASU builds) |
| 12:46.25 | spdr | heh |
| 12:46.35 | xt | heh |
| 12:46.43 | si-m1 | someone update wiki |
| 12:47.25 | Dave | eh? |
| 12:47.27 | Karrde | This keyboard is interesting, you cannot type numbers and small text at the same time and and it doesn't have a space |
| 12:48.06 | trickie|work | Karrde: in the installer, under misc is an alternate illume theme/profile - says it has a qwerty keyboard |
| 12:48.06 | Karrde | Not too easy to write "om2008" |
| 12:48.49 | Ainulindale | space is a slide to the right |
| 12:49.04 | xt | now that's intuitive ! |
| 12:49.13 | Karrde | ah |
| 12:49.52 | Karrde | should have thought about that one. |
| 12:50.11 | bumbl | Karrde: that keyboard sucks |
| 12:50.17 | bumbl | raster's is by far better |
| 12:50.36 | Karrde | I agree |
| 12:50.39 | CVirus | si-m1: how about you do so |
| 12:50.48 | si-m1 | can i have access to do so? |
| 12:50.59 | CVirus | Guys .. how is the suspend/resume with 2008.8 ? |
| 12:52.06 | si-m1 | ah, nm, only needed an account :) |
| 12:52.49 | Karrde | CVirus: I still have the white screen on resume |
| 12:53.06 | Dave | The Virus. |
| 12:53.14 | CVirus | what is that ? |
| 12:53.30 | CVirus | I thought suspend/resume is stable now ! |
| 12:53.51 | Dave | no |
| 12:53.55 | CVirus | shit |
| 12:54.00 | Dave | almost :) |
| 12:54.10 | Dave | yeah, I was disappointed as well |
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| 12:54.26 | CVirus | The whole system software has been reworked which leads to a very fast and reliable suspend & resume, LED control and power management. |
| 12:54.33 | CVirus | this is what the E-mail says !! |
| 12:54.43 | CVirus | What white screen ? |
| 12:54.48 | Dave | tell that to my gsm modem! |
| 12:54.49 | Karrde | I have had the white screen with _every_ kernel so far |
| 12:55.34 | Karrde | If I turn the gsm off, it didn't appear but that is not a solution |
| 12:55.35 | Zorkman | hi everyon,e i'm filing a bug report, what information should i include regarding my kernel/rootfs and what is the command to get it? |
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| 12:56.12 | Dave | Regarding what bug? |
| 12:56.41 | Zorkman | not being able to boot 2008.87 because of qpe-thing |
| 12:57.17 | Ainulindale | why ? |
| 12:57.21 | Ainulindale | too much CPU usage ? |
| 12:58.52 | spdr | hmmm no shortcut to the terminal, how do i make a new one ? |
| 12:58.53 | Zorkman | "The qpe process vanished. This is bad." |
| 12:59.00 | spdr | on 2007.02 |
| 12:59.04 | Zorkman | no 2008.8 |
| 12:59.34 | Zorkman | qpe is qtopia stuff so 2007.2 doesn't even have it i think... |
| 12:59.55 | ike | Ainulindale: I'm having very high CPU usage on 2008.08 (because of qpe). Is it "normal" or known bug? |
| 12:59.57 | spdr | the version was regarding MY question :) |
| 13:00.07 | Ainulindale | ike: Normal at first boot I suppose |
| 13:00.24 | Ainulindale | ike: just so you know, here, it won't register to network, hence no calls no nothing |
| 13:01.54 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rcda64d50cc12 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/input-helpers.c: |
| 13:01.54 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: fix to the input plugin |
| 13:01.54 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: TODO: skip EV_SYN events |
| 13:01.57 | Zorkman | anybody booting 2008.8 from SD? |
| 13:02.00 | dingman | no xorg.conf on my gtk-based daily. Where does the X config live on these things? |
| 13:03.45 | spdr | no idea how i can easily add things to the menu (like a Terminal shortcut) on 2007.02 ? |
| 13:04.19 | Dave | oh god |
| 13:04.33 | Voyd | wow, it really does not like staying on for long |
| 13:04.34 | Dave | epiano is such fail, because ts doesn't support multitap :( |
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| 13:05.02 | Dave | Also, the xserver-glamo update didn't fix my screen orientation bug :( |
| 13:05.16 | cbrake | is not sure what the qtopia keyboard has over the illume keyboard ... |
| 13:05.41 | cbrake | I really like how the letter you type pops up in the illume keyboard by the key you type |
| 13:05.54 | cbrake | kind of like the iphone |
| 13:07.36 | Dave | por Xora |
| 13:07.58 | XorA | denies all |
| 13:08.54 | Dave | :DDD |
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| 13:09.48 | Dave | Xora, I was informed by a reliable source that you specified a functional package yesterday that corrected the xserver-glamo bug related to pointer offset in landscape mode? ;) |
| 13:09.59 | Karrde | Hmm, was there a guide how to turn off the prediction? For example it doesn't know "google" ;) |
| 13:10.43 | Dave | In other news, whoever inserted that om-dist-feeds package into the repo will be receiving a thorough beating from me shortly :] |
| 13:11.50 | XorA | Dave: buildhost should have built fixed glamo package last night |
| 13:11.58 | borg_ | is there an ext3 driver in the newest kernel? |
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| 13:12.19 | Ainulindale | Is there anyone with a working 2008.8 here ? Meaning, someone who can make calls, as an example :-) |
| 13:12.35 | Dave | Xora, yeah, I updated it this morning, and rebooted, yet my freerunner seems still afflicted by the same bug :( |
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| 13:15.15 | Dave | uggh, freerunner usb is so fucking slow |
| 13:15.27 | Dave | needs more fiber |
| 13:15.44 | Pyrasi | What bugs have people found in 2008.8? I have an ASU build I'm pretty happy with atm, and wont get rid of it if there are considerable problems with the new image |
| 13:15.48 | Elleo | the usb doesn't work at all for me with the new image :/ |
| 13:15.49 | Zorkman | what's the max speed of the wifi? anone tested? |
| 13:15.56 | Dave | heh |
| 13:16.03 | Dave | zorkman, it's pretty decent |
| 13:16.05 | Zorkman | Pyrasi: it won't boot :) |
| 13:16.18 | Pyrasi | well....thats a pretty considerable problem ;) |
| 13:16.22 | Dave | :P |
| 13:16.23 | Ainulindale | Pyrasi: bugs ? |
| 13:16.26 | Ainulindale | Well |
| 13:16.28 | Dave | maybe it needs 8ball :P |
| 13:16.30 | Ainulindale | GSM doesn't work at all |
| 13:16.36 | Ainulindale | Can't enable/disable it |
| 13:16.44 | Ainulindale | It asks for pin but won't register to the network |
| 13:16.48 | Ainulindale | And I just can't find the logs |
| 13:16.57 | Pyrasi | lol....ill just stick to my ASU build then. |
| 13:17.23 | cbrake | openmoko-mediaplayer2 I'm missing some icons -- anyone happen to know where they are? |
| 13:18.52 | TeNoVi | :S I find the ASU very slow.. :( |
| 13:19.03 | TeNoVi | or the 2008.8 |
| 13:19.22 | Pyrasi | mine is slow for the first ~2 mins and then it speeds up (ASU that is...not 2008.8) |
| 13:19.51 | TeNoVi | I don't know the different :P Well. My 2008.8 is slow |
| 13:19.54 | Dave | man would somebody please fix the mediaplayer already |
| 13:19.57 | Dave | it totally blows :) |
| 13:20.13 | Dave | all the graphics/buttons are missing, etc :p |
| 13:20.33 | Dave | Xora, give me your secret package please! |
| 13:20.45 | Dave | fix my screen DISorientation :p |
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| 13:21.12 | XorA | Dave: people.openmoko.org/graeme |
| 13:21.41 | Dave | :o |
| 13:22.10 | koenigjm | anyone get pppd working with Tmobile in the US? |
| 13:22.17 | ike | Dave: the patch for Xglamo discalibration entered dev. branch yesterday. |
| 13:22.27 | ike | It should migrate to ASU soon imvho. |
| 13:22.49 | Dave | yeah I know |
| 13:22.52 | Dave | I got it this morning :[ |
| 13:22.58 | Dave | but why hasn't it fixed anything! :P |
| 13:23.02 | Dave | growls |
| 13:23.22 | ike | Maybe nothing is wrong... What if... there is no spoon. |
| 13:23.44 | Dave | sporks ike |
| 13:24.01 | ike | :-) |
| 13:24.17 | Dave | and I'd LIKE to fix my screen orientation before leaving, so I can play games on it :P |
| 13:24.17 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03stefan 07artwork * ra30ef88c5c15 10/illume/ (54 files in 2 dirs): illume theme: Add source and pixmap for the themes |
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| 13:24.51 | ike | Dave: I fully understand your pain. I want to play BaSS! |
| 13:25.15 | koenigjm | so if I get 2007.2 and update fully is that the same as getting ASU? (is confused by the term April Software Update) or it it something entirely different that I would have to flash onto the device? |
| 13:25.37 | Dave | BaSS? |
| 13:25.50 | Dave | ike, my problem is that some users are reporting it worked :P |
| 13:25.52 | ike | Beneath a Steel Sky. |
| 13:25.57 | Dave | Ah, yes! :) |
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| 13:27.14 | ike | koenigjm: i don't think that there is an "easy" way (opkg update && opkg upgrade) to install ASU. The most of the people reflashed image. |
| 13:28.01 | Dave | right |
| 13:28.08 | koenigjm | ike: ok thanks, is the general agreement that compared to the 2007.2 that came on the phone is ASU the way to go? |
| 13:28.17 | Dave | welkom zorkman :] |
| 13:28.37 | Dave | bah, I'll have to whine all day about my pointer misorientation :| |
| 13:28.58 | ike | koenigjm: well... it's still buggy and I cannot make phone calls using ASU that's why I'm still using om2007.02. |
| 13:29.06 | ike | However it's very nice and eyecandy. |
| 13:29.15 | koenigjm | ah, right...phone calls are nice |
| 13:29.33 | ike | Well... "nice" is not enough when we're talking about a PHONE! |
| 13:29.34 | ike | ;-) |
| 13:29.43 | koenigjm | lol |
| 13:30.19 | Dave | ugggh |
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| 13:30.44 | Zorkman | Dave: http://people.openmoko.org/graeme/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git1+4067470ea4d569bae7b4161ca998645a0c9b96e7-r6_armv4t.ipk did it for me |
| 13:31.23 | Dave | yeah |
| 13:31.30 | Dave | xora let me in on the little secret |
| 13:31.40 | Dave | though that's exactly what was fetched by opkg for me this morning :P |
| 13:31.46 | Dave | little good it did me though :( |
| 13:31.50 | Dave | grawr |
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| 13:32.18 | Dave | It REALLY blows because I can't even click anything in scumm :P |
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| 13:33.20 | Dave | throws freerunners at Zorkman |
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| 13:33.26 | Dave | make them work, damnit! |
| 13:33.32 | Dave | :P |
| 13:33.58 | Zorkman | catches them and runs like hell away with them :) |
| 13:34.18 | Zorkman | could use one exrta to get 2008.8 working :) |
| 13:34.20 | Dave | :o |
| 13:34.24 | Dave | heh |
| 13:34.36 | Zorkman | dave: you have bluetooth stuff near you? |
| 13:34.40 | Dave | YES |
| 13:34.43 | Zorkman | then you could try remoko |
| 13:34.48 | Dave | remoko? |
| 13:34.56 | Zorkman | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Bluetooth_remote_controller |
| 13:34.57 | Dave | the re stands for retarded? |
| 13:35.00 | Dave | oh snap? |
| 13:35.02 | Zorkman | http://code.google.com/p/remoko/downloads/list |
| 13:35.12 | Dave | oh, lame |
| 13:35.25 | Dave | remind me again in a bit, I'll try it :P |
| 13:35.25 | Zorkman | never content :) |
| 13:35.45 | CVirus | LOL @ William Kenworthy from the mailing list |
| 13:35.52 | Dave | ROFLCOPTER? |
| 13:35.57 | CVirus | stfu |
| 13:35.58 | Dave | Virus, whahappen |
| 13:36.50 | CVirus | noob .. you make me sick |
| 13:37.10 | Dave | Who, me? |
| 13:37.52 | Dave | Anyhoo, disappointingly several of these apps, Zorkman, are largely unsable because they do not fit on the screen in either orientation mode :[ |
| 13:38.01 | Zorkman | is we use a kernel from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/ with the 2008.8 roofs? |
| 13:38.17 | Zorkman | is=can |
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| 13:39.02 | Dave | zorkman, go for it! |
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| 13:39.50 | Zorkman | i'm already going |
| 13:40.04 | Dave | :) |
| 13:40.24 | Dave | Oh well, I guess I'll check in later about possible solutions to this abysmal problem. |
| 13:43.26 | TeNoVi_ | Where can I download the image that came with my freerunner? I'm not shure what to download |
| 13:44.36 | bumbl | go to download.openmoko.com/releases/ and take the 2007.2 one |
| 13:44.53 | Kev_ | did anyone get wifi to work? |
| 13:45.02 | xt | yep. trough usb |
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| 13:45.11 | koenigjm | Kev: on 2007.2, yeah |
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| 13:45.26 | Kev_ | i tried it with iwconfig, but it doesn't associate |
| 13:45.38 | Kev_ | yes in 2007.2 it worked fine, but I mean 2008.8 :) |
| 13:45.50 | xt | Kev_: works for me |
| 13:46.06 | TeNoVi_ | bumbl: The link seemed to be down. At least for me |
| 13:46.16 | Kev_ | did you enabled it anywhere? |
| 13:46.17 | koenigjm | Kev: Ah, I am not sure if I am ready to make that leap yet :P...can you make calls from 2008.8 now? |
| 13:46.39 | xt | Kev_: i just put the correct settings in /etc/network/interfaces and did ifup eth0 |
| 13:46.42 | Kev_ | I was never able to make calls, because of my sim card is not working... |
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| 13:47.09 | Kev_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards |
| 13:47.23 | Kev_ | I'm "Kevin" in the list :) |
| 13:48.07 | Kev_ | but 2008.8 is not even asking for a pin... |
| 13:48.34 | koenigjm | huh, 2007.2 never asked me for a pin... |
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| 13:48.38 | koenigjm | but I was able to call... |
| 13:48.52 | Elleo | koenigjm: you'll only be asked for a PIN if you have your sim card pin locked |
| 13:48.52 | Kev_ | hmm... ok, did you deactivate your pin? |
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| 13:49.14 | Elleo | only some networks lock their pins by default |
| 13:49.23 | Kev_ | my sim card is pin locked, roh's last suggestion "0000" |
| 13:49.29 | koenigjm | gotcha, yeah I don't think Tmobile does |
| 13:49.41 | koenigjm | they didn't even want me to pass any credentials for the vpn |
| 13:50.16 | Kev_ | and here in germany every simcard is pin locked by default.. |
| 13:51.11 | bumbl | TeNoVi_: try this one http://buildhhttp://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 13:51.22 | Kev_ | xt: Is your wlan encrypted? |
| 13:51.27 | xt | no |
| 13:51.42 | Torikun | How do you get the terminal on the 200808 image |
| 13:51.44 | Kev_ | hm... maybe that's the reason :) |
| 13:52.03 | Kev_ | I'm using the usb cable for terminal |
| 13:52.14 | Kev_ | I wan't to activate wlan to install a package :) |
| 13:52.55 | xt | kd8ikt: you're the author of lint-wifi? |
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| 13:55.02 | Pyrasi | if you want a terminal both openmoko-terminal2 works as well as vte |
| 13:55.07 | Pyrasi | both work well for me anyway |
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| 13:56.25 | xt | python-pygtk package broken in om2008.8 |
| 13:56.29 | xt | :( :( :( |
| 13:56.54 | Torikun | how do you get terminal? |
| 13:57.02 | Ainulindale | gsm is broken and I think it's far worse :-) |
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| 13:57.47 | xt | Ainulindale: I agree (: |
| 13:58.08 | Ainulindale | I can't see why it's not working here |
| 13:58.16 | Ainulindale | It asks for PIN but won't register to network |
| 13:58.29 | Torikun | i have that same issue Ainulindale |
| 13:58.52 | xt | Ainulindale: I dont even have PIN on my sim card, but doesnt register |
| 13:58.53 | Pyrasi | i dont know if this is relevant at all....(remember i dont actually have 2008.8 but the old ASU stuff) But i remember when i installed the gsmd package by mystake one time it messed up my ability to connect to the network......perhaps it was mistakenly installed and needs to be taken out? |
| 13:59.12 | Ainulindale | no gsmd here |
| 13:59.24 | Pyrasi | =/ |
| 13:59.26 | Kev_ | Torikun: Be happy, My 2008.8 is not even asking me... |
| 13:59.33 | Torikun | lol |
| 13:59.42 | Ainulindale | Kev_: did that a couple of times here too |
| 14:00.00 | cbrake | what does the red light on the aux button mean? |
| 14:00.09 | Pyrasi | charging |
| 14:00.12 | Torikun | ah |
| 14:00.13 | Pyrasi | well....at least it should |
| 14:00.17 | Sargun_screen | neato. |
| 14:00.19 | Torikun | I thought it was wifi or GPS |
| 14:00.27 | xt | there's a wiki page on leds |
| 14:00.45 | Torikun | I think the phone should of came with a guide / manual |
| 14:00.52 | Kev_ | Ah and I read of a bug, that gsm is not working anymore after suspend to ram in current 2008.8 |
| 14:00.53 | unknown_lamer | oh god yes! bitbake can build debian packages... woah |
| 14:01.25 | Sargun_screen | still can't build an Openmoko image. |
| 14:02.03 | Elleo | ah, illume-config is handy gives back the illume configuration button and the qwerty button |
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| 14:02.22 | Sargun_screen | Is that how they are getting the boot up faster? |
| 14:02.22 | Sargun_screen | SWSusp? |
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| 14:03.32 | Kev_ | oh and there is an another interesting bug: "conman/wifi driver: can connect to wifi network only once" |
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| 14:04.09 | zogs | gsm don't work |
| 14:04.24 | zogs | ri-flashing |
| 14:04.26 | unknown_lamer | hmm does anyone know offhand if the neo1973 qemu can use a disk image as an sd card? |
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| 14:06.08 | unknown_lamer | I've given up on cross compiling clisp at this point because ... to do so I need to generate a native clisp, manually copy *some* binaries generated at this point to the arm build dir, build everything but the lisp image with the crossgcc, generate the fasls for the base lisp image with the native clisp, bundle all of the fasls into the package, and then generate init.mem on the actual machine... versus just setting up a 20G d |
| 14:06.08 | unknown_lamer | isk image and letting qemu churn away inside of a screen session on my headless machine for a few hours |
| 14:06.09 | Kev_ | Ainulindale: Did you need something to do to get the 2008.8 asking you for pin? |
| 14:06.44 | Ainulindale | Nope |
| 14:07.02 | Kev_ | just asked after some time or some reboots? |
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| 14:08.59 | Kev_ | encrypted wlan is now working after an reboot... curios |
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| 14:14.39 | lindi- | unknown_lamer: just get clisp from debian? |
| 14:16.09 | unknown_lamer | lindi-: that is what I have done before (/ the painful manual build process), but ... I'd like to setup a mokolisp opkg repo very soon |
| 14:16.33 | unknown_lamer | as I'll have a freerunner in a few weeks hopefully (yay finding paying work) |
| 14:17.58 | Torikun | any updates for 20080808 ? |
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| 14:18.55 | unknown_lamer | lindi-: and then there are some patches I need to apply to libffcall to make it work at all (I think I have working patches from someone ... have yet to test) so I'd have to build my own packages /anyway/ (at least until upstream accepts the patches if they work) |
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| 14:21.03 | kd8ikt | cool just bought myself a nice lil 2GB microSD for 10$ |
| 14:21.53 | Torikun | cheap! |
| 14:22.09 | koenigjm | on ebay I take it? |
| 14:22.25 | koenigjm | all the ones I looked at offered free shipping from Hong Kong :P |
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| 14:22.42 | kd8ikt | nah i bought it at a local store |
| 14:22.48 | koenigjm | cool |
| 14:22.55 | linuxxr | shoulda bought 2 |
| 14:22.55 | kd8ikt | so its in my hand right now |
| 14:23.23 | kd8ikt | lets see if i can wweasel the one in there out |
| 14:23.32 | zogs | How can run up gsm on om2008.8? |
| 14:23.35 | lindi- | unknown_lamer: ok :) |
| 14:23.35 | linuxxr | a spare |
| 14:23.36 | DocScrutinizer | anybody got a DNS-IP for me? Taiwan DNS is a PITA! |
| 14:23.48 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: run your own dns server? |
| 14:23.54 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 14:24.15 | kdean06 | Have the 2008.08 images been released yet? |
| 14:24.22 | linuxxr | is 080808 out ? |
| 14:24.27 | koenigjm | yep |
| 14:24.35 | DocScrutinizer | linuxxr: |
| 14:24.38 | linuxxr | yea what he said |
| 14:24.48 | zogs | linuxxr yes but gsm don't work fine |
| 14:24.56 | linuxxr | ooo nos |
| 14:25.07 | linuxxr | wats up? |
| 14:25.11 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: got "my own" DN-server. But dunno IP by heart |
| 14:25.16 | kdean06 | Where can I get the images? The title for the mailing list or something would be fine too. :D |
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| 14:26.01 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: make your own dns server do queries for you? |
| 14:26.18 | linuxxr | i guess i leave znone on here a little while longer?) |
| 14:26.35 | kdean06 | I see links on the Wiki, nevermind. |
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| 14:26.46 | koenigjm | do to the distros wiki |
| 14:26.56 | koenigjm | they have links there. |
| 14:27.07 | koenigjm | *do = go |
| 14:28.14 | Torikun | dam web browser does not connect to any sites |
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| 14:29.58 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.58 | kd8ikt | yay |
| 14:30.08 | DaveLab | /dev/kd8ikt |
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| 14:30.33 | kd8ikt | i got two gigs lalalal laaa laa |
| 14:30.34 | DaveLab | Chox |
| 14:30.56 | DaveLab | kd8 been smokin that lalala |
| 14:30.56 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.57 | TeNoVi_ | I've just created a swap partition on my microsd card with my laptop. Do the Freerunner automaticly find this? |
| 14:31.12 | DaveLab | tenovi, no |
| 14:31.17 | DaveLab | swapon |
| 14:31.22 | SpeedEvil | mkswap first |
| 14:31.29 | DaveLab | mkevil |
| 14:31.55 | kd8ikt | think a swap would even matter? |
| 14:32.00 | SpeedEvil | It helps |
| 14:32.02 | SpeedEvil | IME |
| 14:32.03 | kd8ikt | hell it might slow it down |
| 14:32.08 | linuxxr | gsm borked why? |
| 14:32.18 | TeNoVi_ | ehm. Do I have to do anything at the phone? Or can I just do something at my computer. I'm noob at that point |
| 14:32.20 | SpeedEvil | swap-over-wifi might also be done. |
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| 14:34.29 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:36.22 | tdobson | wonders how much a bigger microsd card would cost him |
| 14:36.28 | DaveLab | bah, zorkman |
| 14:36.48 | DaveLab | numpty is pretty unplayable, even with the ability to restart a level :P |
| 14:37.38 | tdobson | finds swap via SD card does help, though it's hard to notice until you notice scrolling works a whole lot bette etc |
| 14:37.39 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.51 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.17 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.22 | DaveLab | tdobson, it does? |
| 14:38.40 | tdobson | DaveLab: IME |
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| 14:39.18 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:39.36 | DaveLab | Input Method Editor? |
| 14:39.57 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.59 | SpeedEvil | Pyrasi: wear leveling allegedly works OK on microSD. |
| 14:40.03 | DaveLab | oh, heh |
| 14:40.14 | DaveLab | Speedevil, what? |
| 14:40.17 | SpeedEvil | pyknite: 100000 writes per block * millions of blocks... |
| 14:40.35 | DaveLab | wrong person? |
| 14:40.43 | SpeedEvil | ptra: |
| 14:41.16 | DaveLab | pita? |
| 14:41.20 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.28 | DaveLab | swap, activate! |
| 14:41.34 | SpeedEvil | Pyrasi: and consider what you lose if it doesn't work. |
| 14:41.49 | DaveLab | Speedevil, fix the landscape pointer disorientation bug please. :] |
| 14:41.56 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.09 | DaveLab | you surely don't need THAT much swap p |
| 14:42.11 | DaveLab | :p |
| 14:42.26 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.49 | Tig| | hmm, what does : Starting download: [###dfu_download error -71 indicate? |
| 14:42.50 | DaveLab | :D |
| 14:42.59 | DaveLab | oh, heh, that again? |
| 14:43.25 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.50 | Tig| | well it is still running the uboot it shipped with (FR) |
| 14:44.29 | Torikun | wuat is the gps software called again? |
| 14:44.43 | DaveLab | TangoGPS ? |
| 14:44.53 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.05 | Torikun | ty |
| 14:45.09 | DaveLab | heh |
| 14:45.10 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.16 | DaveLab | tango tango tango |
| 14:45.18 | Kev_ | is there any usable software for navigation? |
| 14:45.19 | DaveLab | salsas |
| 14:45.26 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.27 | DaveLab | Kev, not as of presently, I do not believe so. |
| 14:45.34 | DaveLab | tango doesn't do navigation. |
| 14:45.44 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.50 | DaveLab | right |
| 14:45.54 | DaveLab | driving navigation ;) |
| 14:45.59 | Kev_ | ok, i tried last version of navit, but it is crashing if i select my destination :D |
| 14:46.01 | Torikun | The image that came out lastn ight ist he latest? No changes right |
| 14:46.04 | DaveLab | like, go straight, then turn right off the cliff |
| 14:46.05 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.23 | DaveLab | Torikun, one major change... it doesn't boot :D |
| 14:46.31 | Torikun | lol |
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| 14:46.43 | DaveLab | yeah, still working on that :P |
| 14:47.09 | kd8ikt | ok i made a swap on a logical partition |
| 14:47.17 | kd8ikt | 128M |
| 14:47.28 | Kev_ | tango gps is quite useful for contributing to osm (my town has now 10 times as much streets as before I had my freerunner), but I want also a software for car navigation and so on... |
| 14:47.35 | Kev_ | so I have to wait... |
| 14:47.35 | DaveLab | MOAR SWAP |
| 14:47.50 | Torikun | how do you install tango on 20080808 |
| 14:47.56 | DaveLab | kev, of course |
| 14:48.04 | DaveLab | torikun, how would it differ? |
| 14:48.10 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.17 | Kev_ | Torikun: I'm just trying to find that aus |
| 14:48.26 | ronny | hmm, how are the plans for the old ui (2007.2 release, i totaly prefer it over the asu ui) |
| 14:48.26 | Kev_ | out^^ |
| 14:48.26 | Torikun | DaveLab: how do you install tango gps lol |
| 14:48.31 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.32 | DaveLab | lol? |
| 14:48.36 | kd8ikt | lol guess how big two of my primary partitions are? |
| 14:48.42 | Torikun | ronny: it was useable and more stable |
| 14:48.43 | kd8ikt | 666M |
| 14:48.48 | DaveLab | opkg install tangogps? make sure it's 0.9.2 |
| 14:48.52 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.53 | kd8ikt | swc would get a kick out of that |
| 14:48.58 | DaveLab | yeah, that too :P |
| 14:49.03 | DaveLab | swc? |
| 14:49.08 | ronny | Torikun: yeah, but what are the plans? |
| 14:49.09 | kd8ikt | swc|666 |
| 14:49.14 | DaveLab | ah :p |
| 14:49.16 | Torikun | dunno |
| 14:49.30 | DaveLab | too make fake acronyms be rollin through these here parts. |
| 14:49.40 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.51 | ronny | so far it seems the main plan for openmoko is make the software-stack more sucking |
| 14:49.56 | DaveLab | linty! |
| 14:50.02 | Kev_ | right, just worked, installing is as in 2007.2 |
| 14:50.06 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.07 | DaveLab | :) |
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| 14:50.21 | DaveLab | pyrasi, haha. how weak that is :] |
| 14:51.07 | kd8ikt | Pyrasi: lint does it all |
| 14:51.15 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.19 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.32 | kd8ikt | checkout /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 14:51.58 | kd8ikt | except adhoc and static routing lint wifi lacks that |
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| 14:53.39 | DaveLab | :] |
| 14:54.07 | mike--2 | how do I remove a contact in 2007.2 |
| 14:54.09 | mike--2 | anyone? |
| 14:54.29 | DaveLab | I'm glad openmoko doesn't have stock, it'd be crashing more often than their software XD |
| 14:54.43 | mike--2 | I have one that was somehow created as (null) - which seg faults Messages every time I try to open it |
| 14:55.08 | DaveLab | yes :D |
| 14:55.16 | DaveLab | I'm glad others noticed that too A:p |
| 14:55.23 | mike--2 | heh |
| 14:55.36 | tdobson | :( I think I have problems with my gsm modem |
| 14:55.45 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.07 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.08 | mike--2 | heh, should have done that CNN fantasy stock first :) |
| 14:56.12 | DaveLab | tdobson, don't worry, it's probably just one of many problems with the gsm modem :) |
| 14:56.26 | DaveLab | fuck, it's _already_ fantasy openmoko :p |
| 14:56.30 | tdobson | DaveLab: I think it's this one. http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/256 |
| 14:56.34 | tdobson | in a freerunner |
| 14:56.35 | DaveLab | since nothing works ;) |
| 14:57.25 | DaveLab | gta01? o.O |
| 14:57.30 | DaveLab | retraciles :o |
| 14:57.35 | tdobson | wait it can't be :S |
| 14:57.43 | tdobson | is confuzzled |
| 14:57.43 | DaveLab | you noticed that :p |
| 14:57.49 | tdobson | no not that. |
| 14:57.55 | tdobson | I know it says gta 1 |
| 14:58.10 | DaveLab | gsm failure |
| 14:58.10 | tdobson | it doesn't matter I need to test more sim cards |
| 14:58.16 | DaveLab | Yes, MORE. |
| 14:58.22 | tdobson | is having sim not recognised problems |
| 14:58.30 | DaveLab | Ah. |
| 14:58.34 | tdobson | by *some* sims |
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| 14:58.40 | DaveLab | Have you seem the many SIM card related pages on the wiki yet? |
| 14:58.41 | tdobson | not *all* sims |
| 14:58.47 | tdobson | yes. |
| 14:58.50 | DaveLab | Ah, good :p |
| 14:59.03 | DaveLab | you seem to understand then that it is primarily a some work some don't type of issue |
| 14:59.06 | DaveLab | :p |
| 14:59.18 | DaveLab | and the ones that "work" sometimes sort of work (if you weren't confused already) :D |
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| 15:00.02 | tdobson | thing is when I do the diagnostic command here: I don't get any of the stuff one is meant to |
| 15:00.08 | tdobson | - I don't get *anything* |
| 15:01.13 | DaveLab | probably indicating it isn't working [properly] :p |
| 15:01.28 | tdobson | yeah :( |
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| 15:02.23 | xt | so about GSM on om 2008.8 |
| 15:02.28 | xt | working for you guys? |
| 15:02.39 | zogs | not for me |
| 15:02.40 | Ainulindale | xt: I just posted something about that on support@ |
| 15:02.44 | Ainulindale | I can receive calls |
| 15:02.46 | Ainulindale | Not emit calls |
| 15:02.47 | Torikun | 200808 is saying no GPS device |
| 15:02.53 | Ainulindale | That's weird enough for me |
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| 15:03.14 | xt | Ainulindale, what happens when you try to call? 'Not registered' ? |
| 15:03.20 | Ainulindale | exactly |
| 15:03.38 | Ainulindale | I'm just too tired to use that |
| 15:03.40 | DaveLab | heh, emit. |
| 15:03.45 | Ainulindale | I'll revert to FSO |
| 15:03.51 | DaveLab | haw. |
| 15:03.55 | DaveLab | sissy :p |
| 15:04.20 | Ainulindale | DaveLab: You earned your own easter egg in SHR, when it'll detect you around it will make your device explode. |
| 15:04.36 | DaveLab | :D |
| 15:04.46 | DaveLab | Sounds hot :p |
| 15:05.03 | Torikun | cd /opt |
| 15:05.23 | Ainulindale | Torikun: No such file or directory |
| 15:05.38 | DaveLab | heh |
| 15:05.44 | DaveLab | What is this, an interactive terminal? |
| 15:05.56 | DaveLab | collaborative :P |
| 15:06.00 | Kev_ | lol... |
| 15:06.10 | Kev_ | is gpsd running? |
| 15:06.13 | Torikun | can anyone get the package manager working ? |
| 15:06.18 | Torikun | it does not start Kev_ |
| 15:06.56 | DaveLab | opkg? |
| 15:07.06 | tdobson | hmm. the annoying this is that on the wiki I seem to be the only person with this problem with makes me think it's me doing something wrong... |
| 15:07.19 | Torikun | Dave qtopia package manager on 20080808 |
| 15:07.20 | DaveLab | it's possible |
| 15:07.25 | DaveLab | OH |
| 15:07.29 | DaveLab | gah. |
| 15:07.39 | DaveLab | I wouldn't touch that :p |
| 15:07.49 | Ainulindale | Torikun: yes it works here |
| 15:07.52 | Kev_ | Torikun, is it installed? "opkg list_installed|grep -i gps" |
| 15:08.01 | Ainulindale | But the rest of the distro doesn't |
| 15:08.04 | Ainulindale | So I just trashed it |
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| 15:08.36 | Torikun | it is installed |
| 15:08.46 | Torikun | ah |
| 15:08.51 | DaveLab | maybe it just doesn't like you? |
| 15:10.33 | DaveLab | man, someone needs to update the om-docs as soon as shit stops exploding :) |
| 15:11.20 | Torikun | lol wifi does not connect via exposure |
| 15:11.36 | Kev_ | Torikun, you have to edit the gpsd config file |
| 15:11.49 | Torikun | ok |
| 15:11.54 | Torikun | what tty should it be |
| 15:11.56 | Kev_ | /etc/default/gpsd |
| 15:12.03 | Kev_ | find it out :) |
| 15:12.04 | DaveLab | exploadure |
| 15:12.10 | Kev_ | you can read it out with "cat" |
| 15:12.20 | DaveLab | Torikun /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 15:12.21 | Kev_ | only one tty is giving you something :) |
| 15:12.30 | DaveLab | set it, and forget it! |
| 15:12.44 | DaveLab | the Ronco Freerunner Barbecue! |
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| 15:13.49 | Sup3rkiddo | hi, is anyone getting the "Empty flash...blah..blah" when booting the new FSO milestone 2 |
| 15:13.58 | Ainulindale | no |
| 15:14.09 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, o.o |
| 15:14.12 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm ok |
| 15:14.12 | Ainulindale | Didn't hear about that Sup3rkiddo |
| 15:14.21 | Ainulindale | flashed or on SD ? |
| 15:14.27 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, did you build the images yourself? |
| 15:14.32 | Ainulindale | Nope |
| 15:14.50 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, hmm, ok..thanks |
| 15:15.06 | Ainulindale | Sup3rkiddo: I build frameworkd periodically for development but that's all |
| 15:15.17 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, yep.... |
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| 15:15.31 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, oh so, you didnt flash em yet? |
| 15:15.51 | Ainulindale | I flashed it first thing when it was out |
| 15:16.06 | Ainulindale | I just tried 2008.8, saw it wasn't functional, and I'm currently reflashing FSO |
| 15:16.11 | Sup3rkiddo | Ainulindale, oh ok |
| 15:17.49 | tdobson | could anyone run "libgsmd-tool -m atcmd " on their phones and tell me how it is *meant* to look.... |
| 15:17.52 | kd8ikt | crap my disk isnt working right doesnt like how i setup the partitions |
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| 15:19.13 | kd8ikt | and now fdisk wont open it |
| 15:19.37 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r4774245c6026 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input.vala): ignore EV_SYN properly |
| 15:20.59 | pazante | i got my Gsm network running when i pushed power button to suspend the phone and then pushed it again to wake it up on 2008.8 |
| 15:24.18 | ssweeny | anyone having an issue with 2008.8 not recognizing the wifi? |
| 15:24.29 | Torikun | ssweeny: I can not connect to any wifi spots |
| 15:24.54 | Tig| | hmmm I am getting this dfu_download error -71 every time that I try to flash now :/ |
| 15:24.55 | ssweeny | my settings applet says "unknown" for wifi |
| 15:25.03 | ssweeny | does that mean no wifi or no connection? |
| 15:25.09 | Torikun | does wifi actually work in the release? |
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| 15:25.28 | tdobson | anyone know where I might find out what "cme error: 313" means? |
| 15:25.34 | lindi- | whoa, figured out how to make pulseaudio not use 5% cpu time constnatly |
| 15:25.34 | tdobson | it's a gsmd error |
| 15:25.42 | pyknite | hum sorry for this question, but I really want to participate in the openmoko project, but I don't really know where to begin :( |
| 15:25.45 | xt | lindi-: elaborate |
| 15:25.45 | tdobson | lindi-: how? |
| 15:26.07 | gargoyle_grin | Wow. Lots of people downloading the images. I'm only getting like 45KBps. |
| 15:26.17 | lindi- | xt: tdobson: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1729#comment:2 |
| 15:27.21 | gargoyle_grin | Already flashed the uimage, but still waiting on the rootfs image to download. |
| 15:28.36 | tdobson | pyknite: read the wiki. look for a place where you know more than there is on it and elaborate.. or just hang on irc and chat |
| 15:28.50 | xt | lindi-: nicely done |
| 15:29.15 | tdobson | pyknite: if you have coding skills I'd look for something that works with a script and consider writing a gui to make it easier or look at the guis already available and modify one. |
| 15:29.19 | tdobson | linvery nice |
| 15:29.39 | pyknite | tdobson: yep, got some coding skills ;) |
| 15:29.51 | ssweeny | hmm... seems the sd card isn't detected either |
| 15:29.52 | tdobson | pyknite: well I didn't know :P |
| 15:31.42 | pyknite | tdobson: I don't understand about wich script you're talking |
| 15:31.51 | pyknite | one of yours? |
| 15:31.54 | tdobson | no |
| 15:31.55 | tdobson | hold on |
| 15:32.25 | tdobson | pyknite: you have a neo freerunner? |
| 15:32.41 | pyknite | nop, i will receive mine next week ;) |
| 15:32.48 | gargoyle_grin | Wow. They should really use bittorrent or something to distribute the images. |
| 15:32.58 | tdobson | hehe |
| 15:33.11 | pyknite | and i'm very impatient ;) |
| 15:33.16 | gargoyle_grin | Lol. Me too. |
| 15:33.24 | tdobson | in that case, read : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner this and learn everything there is to know about the freerunner before you get it |
| 15:33.51 | tdobson | and look at GPS, Wifi, GPS, GPRS and look at how well it's going :) |
| 15:33.52 | pyknite | tdobson: I've already read it (like a good part of the wiki ;) ) |
| 15:33.55 | tdobson | that's my advice.. |
| 15:34.10 | tdobson | ok. well I don't know at the moment :P sorry |
| 15:34.40 | tdobson | pyknite: about scripts: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS |
| 15:34.47 | tdobson | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth |
| 15:34.47 | pyknite | tdobson: because i'm interested on python dev ;) |
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| 15:35.56 | zogs | root@om-gta02:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power/wakeup |
| 15:38.32 | gargoyle_grin | Almost done downloading... |
| 15:38.36 | gargoyle_grin | 98% |
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| 15:39.06 | gargoyle_grin | Aaaaaaaaannnnnnnddddd......... done! |
| 15:39.27 | zogs | gargoyle_grin: good luck :D |
| 15:39.36 | gargoyle_grin | Many thanks. :) Flashing now. |
| 15:40.00 | Chox | clowns. |
| 15:40.13 | gargoyle_grin | Lol. I don't deny it. ;) |
| 15:40.21 | *** part/#openmoko pvborza (n=paul@groundhog.ijs.si) |
| 15:41.08 | Pyrasi | off topic....but check this out if you havent already seen it o.O http://gizmodo.com/5034458/slow-motion-lightning-video-is-mindblowing-will-sell-a-thousand-slo+mo-cameras Its like the lightning runs a brute force algorithm until it finds a path of least resistance. awesome. |
| 15:42.03 | SpeedEvil | It's a top down + bottom up search algorithm basically. |
| 15:42.20 | SpeedEvil | Finding low resistance paths from the upper air to near the ground. |
| 15:42.33 | Chox | *zzzapp!!!* |
| 15:42.55 | SpeedEvil | Then the electric field causes streamers to form from the ground up and rise towards the streamers from the cloud. |
| 15:43.04 | Chox | and next think you know, you have a new, smoky hair-do |
| 15:43.32 | Chox | er, smokey |
| 15:43.37 | Pyrasi | dijkstra == lightning? |
| 15:44.10 | Chox | If we're talking Modula-2, then yes. |
| 15:44.20 | Pyrasi | ;) |
| 15:45.00 | Chox | M2 has its merits, but unfortunately, few that make it entirely suitlable for real world software. |
| 15:46.34 | Kev_ | does anyone have lint-wifi up and running in 2008.8? |
| 15:46.56 | Kev_ | in my phone it is crashs while starting |
| 15:46.59 | Chox | aw. |
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| 15:48.44 | zedstar | so 2008.8 comes with it's own location type app? does the image install gypsy and geoclue does anyone know? i noticed in the diversity code there was reference to geoclue but it is not part of openembedded it seems? |
| 15:48.50 | Chox | its |
| 15:49.37 | Torikun | I got pidgin installed on 2008! |
| 15:49.38 | Torikun | lol |
| 15:49.46 | Chox | I died. lol. |
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| 15:52.38 | dingman | SMS is dead on my Freerunner 'cause I can't launch the messages app. Anyone know how to fix it? |
| 15:53.29 | dingman | If I launch openmoko-messages manually from the terminal I get "(openmoko-messages:1663): Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -11 and height -11" repeatedly before it dies. |
| 15:54.12 | Chox | sounds like a bug. |
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| 15:55.13 | dingman | Most likely. But it's one that hasn't been fixed in the daily feed. |
| 15:55.15 | Pyrasi | why use openmoko messages? why not the qtopia one? |
| 15:55.53 | dingman | 'cause I've got an almost-everything-works config in the GTK-only build. |
| 15:56.09 | Pyrasi | fair enough |
| 15:56.20 | linuxxr | back it up |
| 15:56.43 | dingman | I was thinking about putting the 2008.8 on flash and trying it out w/o re-flashing the FreeRunner |
| 15:56.51 | linuxxr | so does the phone work on the release?? |
| 15:57.07 | dingman | linuxxr, all backups die 27MB in to the rootfs for me. |
| 15:57.14 | dingman | dfu-util or dd |
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| 15:57.43 | dingman | The only thing that works so far is rsync'ing the filesystem, and that's a pain to restore. |
| 15:57.47 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.07 | Torikun | lintwifi and pidgin work! |
| 15:58.19 | linuxxr | phone work? |
| 15:58.23 | Torikun | Last night it did |
| 15:58.28 | Torikun | with 20080808 |
| 15:58.45 | linuxxr | no news is bad news here |
| 15:58.59 | linuxxr | this morning? |
| 15:59.17 | Torikun | want me to call you |
| 15:59.17 | Torikun | lol |
| 15:59.22 | linuxxr | lol' |
| 15:59.30 | linuxxr | ok |
| 15:59.48 | Chox | lol! |
| 15:59.48 | linuxxr | thats a "yes it does work? |
| 15:59.57 | Chox | l0l11one! |
| 16:00.10 | Torikun | tedting |
| 16:00.14 | Torikun | testing now |
| 16:00.16 | Torikun | works |
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| 16:03.13 | cjb | wow. the 2008.08 dialer is ridiculously slow. |
| 16:03.37 | gargoyle_grin | Ok. I give up. How do I wake it up? |
| 16:03.57 | Chox | alarm clock. |
| 16:03.59 | Chox | rooster |
| 16:04.11 | DaveLab | cockadoodledooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 16:04.18 | gargoyle_grin | Har haaaar de har har. ;) |
| 16:04.19 | gargoyle_grin | It booted up, the screen went black, and now I can't get it to do anything. |
| 16:04.20 | DaveLab | bawk bawk bagawk! |
| 16:04.53 | gargoyle_grin | Right after flashing it to 2008.08 |
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| 16:05.01 | Chox | that's choxadoodledoo |
| 16:05.15 | Torikun | lint-wifi not working on new image |
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| 16:05.56 | DaveLab | :D |
| 16:05.58 | linuxxr | a while ago u said it works |
| 16:06.05 | DaveLab | haha, yeah |
| 16:06.14 | Torikun | linuxxr: it installed |
| 16:06.14 | Torikun | lol |
| 16:06.17 | Torikun | and ran |
| 16:06.19 | Torikun | but no scan |
| 16:06.39 | Chox | lol random lol. I can't say anything lol without loling. lol. |
| 16:06.51 | linuxxr | ol |
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| 16:06.59 | XorA | renames Chox to chuckleboy |
| 16:07.00 | kd8ikt | run from cmdline and see what its debug output is |
| 16:07.13 | Torikun | rebooting |
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| 16:08.26 | linuxxr | im thinking that maybe i need to wait a day or 2 |
| 16:08.40 | linuxxr | im thinking that maybe i need to wait a day or two |
| 16:08.44 | kd8ikt | for waht |
| 16:08.51 | linuxxr | o8o8o8 |
| 16:09.06 | kd8ikt | i'm flashing it right now |
| 16:09.08 | linuxxr | oooo8o8o9 |
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| 16:09.35 | linuxxr | proly have a fix or two |
| 16:09.37 | Torikun | dam no scan after a reboot |
| 16:09.55 | linuxxr | well wait 15 minuits |
| 16:10.03 | Torikun | lol |
| 16:10.08 | zedstar_ | enough with the fireworks already china! |
| 16:10.14 | zedstar_ | needs a beer |
| 16:10.23 | kd8ikt | hey i just made a lil cam server out of a p2 and 2 webcams |
| 16:10.40 | gargoyle_grin | Dang. What does tapping the power button do in 2008.08? |
| 16:10.44 | linuxxr | u have a webcam link zedstar? |
| 16:10.45 | kd8ikt | i think i'll put it in the garage or something with the cams facing the walkway |
| 16:10.53 | linuxxr | fireworks? |
| 16:10.56 | kd8ikt | so i can spy on people at my front door |
| 16:10.59 | SpeedEvil | found 'motion' kd8? |
| 16:11.01 | gargoyle_grin | Suspend? Power-off? |
| 16:11.06 | zedstar_ | olympics ceremony thing |
| 16:11.08 | gargoyle_grin | Magic? |
| 16:11.08 | kd8ikt | yeah motion is pimp |
| 16:11.31 | kd8ikt | if you have ipv6 you might be able to connect to it |
| 16:11.57 | gargoyle_grin | Must be suspend. |
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| 16:12.20 | gargoyle_grin | But I can't get it to return to normal non-suspend mode after that. |
| 16:12.24 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re0f38aa09f72 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (__init__.py modems/abstract/mediator.py objects.py): |
| 16:12.24 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: add result code for org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.SendStoredMessage() thus making it fso-compliant. |
| 16:12.24 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Thanks #openmoko-cdevel for spotting! |
| 16:12.24 | zedstar_ | there is some good motion detection software for the nokia tablet |
| 16:12.24 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8e3b3c5bda36 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/oevents.py: oeventsd: use public config module and use getValue submitting a default value. |
| 16:12.33 | Torikun | mofi scans properly |
| 16:12.35 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: here we are |
| 16:12.36 | kd8ikt | "resume"? |
| 16:12.45 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: thanks :-) |
| 16:12.50 | mickeyl | :) |
| 16:12.58 | kd8ikt | hola Ainulindale |
| 16:13.05 | Ainulindale | kd8ikt: hey |
| 16:13.11 | gargoyle_grin | Hrm? |
| 16:13.13 | mickeyl | i need to see whether i can find out what else we can do with the transaction_index but just looking at it ;) |
| 16:13.34 | Ainulindale | mickeyl: Yes, because I don't know what's its use :-) |
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| 16:13.44 | kd8ikt | boots 88 |
| 16:14.14 | mickeyl | Ainulindale: same here. need to read up on it. I hope I can send a signal like SentMessage(transaction_index) later |
| 16:14.28 | mickeyl | so that we know when the SMS center has actually received the message |
| 16:14.34 | mickeyl | what happens then is beyond our control ;) |
| 16:14.46 | Chox | you get charged through the nose |
| 16:14.47 | mickeyl | [API to request for SMS report will come later] |
| 16:14.49 | Ainulindale | Yep :-) |
| 16:14.50 | mickeyl | hahaha |
| 16:14.50 | mickeyl | indeed |
| 16:15.50 | gargoyle_grin | Crap. I can't get it to not suspend, and I can't get it out of suspend after it's suspended. |
| 16:16.00 | *** join/#openmoko jopk (n=chatzill@p5B161DD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:16.28 | jopk | hi |
| 16:17.33 | jopk | does opkg still work the same way on 2008.8? so can I install the "old" packages ? |
| 16:17.45 | Kev_ | so far, yes |
| 16:21.36 | kd8ikt | whast with the doofy newage icons |
| 16:24.19 | kd8ikt | lol who's hostname is barbie |
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| 16:24.49 | Chox | lol, the word is "whose" |
| 16:25.36 | gargoyle_grin | So, is the old three-tab interface gone for good? |
| 16:25.41 | Chox | And I was all, like, lol, you know? |
| 16:25.58 | Chox | valley girls Dave. |
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| 16:26.23 | xhr17 | omg, i screwed up my neo |
| 16:26.32 | Chox | oh noes. |
| 16:26.51 | Zorkman | is your neo female? |
| 16:26.54 | xhr17 | tried to change teh ringtone, and now none ov the the sounds work anymore. |
| 16:27.13 | xhr17 | in addition, teh buttons stopped working. |
| 16:27.23 | Chox | sounds teh bad. |
| 16:27.24 | xhr17 | power / aux |
| 16:27.34 | kd8ikt | ***FAIL*** |
| 16:27.46 | DaveLab | who screwed what now? |
| 16:28.55 | xhr17 | also, the taskbar icons/ menu thing are taking up two lines instead ov one. |
| 16:29.08 | DaveLab | hot |
| 16:29.12 | DaveLab | I wish mine did that. |
| 16:29.34 | lindi- | cjb: hi, https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1244/0001-Fix-x-coord-of-input-when-rotated.patch modifies glamo.c but i can't find this anywhere on my org.openmoko.dev mokomakefile directory, has it been renamed? |
| 16:29.37 | Chox | Dave: why is it so easy to make fun of people on IRC? |
| 16:30.12 | xhr17 | no, they are the same size as they used to be, and on the same sides, but the carrier name is one about 20px below the icons. |
| 16:31.54 | DaveLab | Chox, noobs be plentiful here. |
| 16:32.11 | Chox | not just noobs, it's the lolfanclub too. |
| 16:32.12 | xhr17 | ... |
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| 16:32.24 | DaveLab | roflrunner? |
| 16:32.48 | Chox | Well, you won't running much if YAFO |
| 16:33.00 | DaveLab | you won't running much? |
| 16:33.04 | DaveLab | YAFO? |
| 16:33.12 | Chox | s/running/be running |
| 16:33.19 | Chox | your arse falls off. |
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| 16:33.43 | Chox | as in, LMAO |
| 16:34.00 | Chox | FreeArseRunner |
| 16:34.30 | xhr17 | yeah... so nobody has any ideas? |
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| 16:35.08 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r20be0ea74a43 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane=srcrevs] update linux-openmoko to fetchable rev |
| 16:35.08 | tdobson | flash it? |
| 16:35.11 | Flinx | Hello |
| 16:35.13 | DaveLab | xhr, about your strange status bar issue? |
| 16:35.19 | linuxxr | yea flash it |
| 16:35.21 | DaveLab | tdobson, haha, you said it ;) |
| 16:35.28 | Chox | flush it |
| 16:35.58 | Flinx | I need a recommendation. |
| 16:36.15 | linuxxr | o8o8o8 |
| 16:36.20 | tdobson | is currently flashing to qtopia after he accidently installed some qtopia stuff and had parts of qpe trying to run over openmoko. not so nice... |
| 16:36.23 | Flinx | Actually.. I lied. |
| 16:36.32 | Chox | Flinx: that's my line. |
| 16:36.34 | tdobson | Flinx: tut tut :P |
| 16:36.34 | Flinx | is GPS built into the FreeRunner? |
| 16:36.40 | xt | yes |
| 16:36.40 | tdobson | yes |
| 16:36.48 | tdobson | why |
| 16:36.48 | Flinx | hrm.. |
| 16:36.48 | Chox | how would it not be? |
| 16:36.49 | lindi- | rwhitby: after mokomakefile build of org.openmoko.dev I don't see glamo.c anywhere but it built X successfully, did it download binaries from net or did it remove sources after build? |
| 16:37.00 | Flinx | I duno |
| 16:37.06 | DaveLab | hides his gun |
| 16:37.17 | Flinx | I heard someone a while ago saying that you can get pluggable GPS modules >.> |
| 16:37.22 | Flinx | so I got confused :p |
| 16:37.23 | Chox | Dave: dammit, stop forcing people to use Vista |
| 16:37.32 | DaveLab | bah |
| 16:37.34 | brian_252 | Has anyone flashed the boot loader and got this message "End of write exceeds parition end"? |
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| 16:37.41 | DaveLab | oh yeah |
| 16:37.56 | Chox | brian_252: bet you flashed to the wrong partition |
| 16:38.10 | Chox | that's a dumb ass message though |
| 16:38.15 | brian_252 | I was doing this |
| 16:38.16 | xhr17 | that is lame, i am not going to flash my device because i fucked up changing a stupid text file. |
| 16:38.20 | brian_252 | dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uboot.bin |
| 16:38.26 | *** join/#openmoko AJuOnLiNE (n=Legend@unaffiliated/ajuonline) |
| 16:38.26 | Flinx | Kay. I leave y'all alone now ;) |
| 16:38.34 | brian_252 | With the image from here http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ |
| 16:38.41 | Chox | xhrit: demand retribution in blood. |
| 16:38.50 | xmpp | i'd like to have dzen or xmonad instead of this unreliable status bar |
| 16:38.52 | Chox | er, xhr17 |
| 16:38.54 | xhr17 | it is not even like i fucked up the text file, i did exactly what the docs said. |
| 16:38.55 | tdobson | xhr17: you could try opening up a om image and copying the text files you changed across... |
| 16:39.26 | xmpp | *xmobar |
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| 16:40.06 | xhr17 | i just copied and pasted, commented out the ringtone line, and changed to point to the .wav on my card. |
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| 16:40.44 | xhr17 | to change back, i just removed teh line and uncommented the unmodified line. |
| 16:42.38 | ieatlint | brian_252, there is no uboot image at that link |
| 16:42.49 | brian_252 | ieatlint: Ah thanks. |
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| 16:43.32 | xhr17 | also, i get battery critical low messages for no reason when teh phone is plugged in. |
| 16:44.36 | tdobson | how do you get qtopia to give you a keyboard |
| 16:44.48 | tdobson | ah. it does |
| 16:44.53 | tdobson | *doesn't |
| 16:44.54 | The_D0ct0r | Hey, i downloaded the ASU, but the qwerty keyboard, doesn't shows the button for the 'Terminal' and 'Numbers' keyboards. Is that normal? |
| 16:44.55 | tdobson | handwriting |
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| 16:46.46 | xhr17 | sigh. |
| 16:47.05 | The_D0ct0r | anyone? |
| 16:47.10 | xhr17 | so if i am going to flash, should i do 2007.2 or 2008.8? |
| 16:47.26 | tdobson | xhr17: I would say 2007 |
| 16:47.32 | xhr17 | ... |
| 16:47.32 | cjb | lindi-: Hi, no idea about your glamo.c question. |
| 16:47.37 | tdobson | but you might as well do 1008 to see what it looks like |
| 16:47.44 | tdobson | or qtopia if you haven't tried it yet |
| 16:48.08 | gargoyle_grin | Is there a way to get the terminal on 2008.08? |
| 16:48.28 | The_D0ct0r | get in it with ssh |
| 16:48.33 | The_D0ct0r | and opkg install openmoko-terminal2 |
| 16:48.56 | lindi- | cjb: ok |
| 16:48.56 | gargoyle_grin | Oh wow. It's not installed by default in 2008.08? That's a bit lame. |
| 16:49.02 | The_D0ct0r | yep |
| 16:49.16 | lindi- | cjb: but in general, mokomakefile can fetch sources, compile them and then remove the sources? |
| 16:49.53 | cjb | okay, then how do you connect to wifi with 2008.08? |
| 16:49.56 | lindi- | cjb: hmm, just found the sources |
| 16:49.57 | froksen | Does any of you in here use the Freerunner as their primary phone? |
| 16:50.01 | The_D0ct0r | yep me |
| 16:50.03 | lindi- | cjb: no problem :) |
| 16:50.12 | gargoyle_grin | I do. |
| 16:50.13 | cjb | lindi-: yes, I think there's an option for whether to keep the "work/" directory around after building |
| 16:50.16 | The_D0ct0r | wifi: |
| 16:50.17 | cjb | froksen: trying to |
| 16:50.20 | froksen | Just wondering if it was possible :-) |
| 16:50.39 | The_D0ct0r | ifconfig eth0 up && iwconfig eth0 essid YourNetworkName && udhcpc |
| 16:50.40 | froksen | cjb: Having any problems? |
| 16:50.44 | xhr17 | ... |
| 16:50.45 | The_D0ct0r | if it is unencrypted |
| 16:50.56 | gargoyle_grin | Though, what I'm seeing so far with 2008.08 isn't making me happy. |
| 16:50.57 | froksen | gargoyle_grin: Same question |
| 16:50.59 | gargoyle_grin | Yet. |
| 16:51.08 | cjb | The_D0ct0r: those instructions fail |
| 16:51.14 | cjb | because I don't have a terminal :) |
| 16:51.21 | The_D0ct0r | waha lame |
| 16:51.24 | cjb | "how do I get a terminal?" |
| 16:51.27 | The_D0ct0r | then connect using usb? |
| 16:51.29 | cjb | "well, you download ir" |
| 16:51.34 | cjb | "okay, how do I get online?" |
| 16:51.38 | cjb | "well, you type in the terminal" |
| 16:51.38 | The_D0ct0r | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 16:51.40 | gargoyle_grin | Well, in 2007.2 I did have problems from time to time. Had to reflash it once or twice. |
| 16:51.43 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 16:51.48 | cjb | all aboard the failboat |
| 16:51.53 | The_D0ct0r | huh |
| 16:51.54 | Chox | hopefully no one's screwed up that page too much since I did it. |
| 16:51.54 | gargoyle_grin | It would fail to boot for no real reason. |
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| 16:52.08 | gargoyle_grin | "Empty flash" errors and then *fail*. |
| 16:52.17 | The_D0ct0r | if you can't connect using usb, try disconnecting your real network connection, and then ssh root@192.168.0.200 |
| 16:52.18 | kd8ikt | wrong image |
| 16:52.47 | The_D0ct0r | (on your pc) |
| 16:53.13 | xhr17 | so is qtopia more feature rich/ stable? |
| 16:53.24 | *** part/#openmoko AJuOnLiNE (n=Legend@unaffiliated/ajuonline) |
| 16:53.28 | Chox | no, just more annoying |
| 16:53.42 | cjb | yeah, I'm not liking qtopia much |
| 16:53.47 | cjb | FSO was better |
| 16:53.55 | cjb | did FSO run qtopia stuff? |
| 16:54.06 | Chox | burp. |
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| 16:56.21 | DaveLab | beats cjb with 20080808 |
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| 16:57.02 | _Da_Flo_ | hallihall |
| 16:57.11 | _Da_Flo_ | hallihallo |
| 16:57.11 | DaveLab | heil! |
| 16:57.29 | DaveLab | Duitsers ~_~ |
| 16:57.47 | _Da_Flo_ | ja was bist du denn für eine schnecke? |
| 16:57.48 | *** part/#openmoko _Da_Flo_ (i=Penergam@f054216166.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:57.56 | DaveLab | -_-; |
| 16:58.01 | The_D0ct0r | haha @dave |
| 16:58.26 | spdr | fetch-pack from 'git://git.openmoko.org/git/openmoko.git' failed. |
| 16:58.26 | spdr | help, anyone? |
| 16:58.30 | DaveLab | jajaja |
| 16:58.40 | DaveLab | dwaze |
| 16:58.45 | Blalien | DaveLab: Ja die heb je ook he |
| 16:58.52 | Chox | who gives a pansy |
| 16:59.05 | spdr | nobody? |
| 16:59.15 | DaveLab | :D |
| 16:59.21 | DaveLab | ahahah |
| 16:59.42 | koenigjm | do I need to flash a new kernel prior to upgrading to 2008.8? or do I just need to flash the two files found on the download page? |
| 17:00.11 | xhr17 | screw this. I think i will try to install slackware on my neo. |
| 17:00.22 | linuxxr | lol |
| 17:00.22 | Chox | goodluckwiththat |
| 17:00.24 | cjb | koenigjm: One of the two files on the download page is a new kernel. |
| 17:00.28 | linuxxr | yea slkackware |
| 17:00.32 | Chox | ricers. |
| 17:00.36 | koenigjm | netbsd...it is supposed to run well on everything ;) |
| 17:00.49 | DaveLab | pesky ricers |
| 17:00.58 | Chox | BSD will be a lot more effort. |
| 17:01.04 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.05 | DaveLab | gives Chox some of his pizza |
| 17:01.06 | ieatlint | how about beos? :P |
| 17:01.16 | Chox | BeOS will probably be impossible |
| 17:01.23 | koenigjm | ah, so the kernel is the uImage? |
| 17:01.24 | linuxxr | silly hacker |
| 17:01.25 | ieatlint | yeah, i'm just teasing |
| 17:01.34 | ieatlint | beos is binary... haiku is x86 only |
| 17:01.36 | Chox | I noes. |
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| 17:01.51 | DaveLab | leinir! |
| 17:01.52 | DaveLab | :o |
| 17:01.56 | Chox | lei! |
| 17:02.01 | DaveLab | runs |
| 17:02.01 | xhr17 | i cant flash my neo - my pwoer button doesnt work. |
| 17:02.07 | The_D0ct0r | Does anyone knows how i get the number-keyboard back? I can't even enter my pin-code! |
| 17:02.10 | Chox | oh noes. |
| 17:02.19 | Blalien | Uhmmm how do I enter my sim pin in 2008.8? |
| 17:02.22 | DaveLab | doctor: multitap-pad |
| 17:02.26 | xhr17 | ... |
| 17:02.28 | The_D0ct0r | thx |
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| 17:02.53 | ieatlint | oh nice, fso has gprs working properly |
| 17:03.07 | The_D0ct0r | but the previous asu's had a number and a terminal keyboard included.. is it gone? |
| 17:03.07 | ieatlint | can enable/disable it, and receive phone calls while using data |
| 17:03.37 | ieatlint | if i could buy those germans some pizza and beer... i would |
| 17:03.41 | koenigjm | really?? last I heard FSO was only good at making calls ;) |
| 17:03.52 | ieatlint | koenigjm, that was milestone1 |
| 17:04.11 | Torikun | When will be the next openmoko-qtopia-x11 release? |
| 17:04.33 | ieatlint | right now it is using illume (just like 2008.8), and you can run any x/gtk app on it, with zhone supporting sms, contacts and a simplistic gps app |
| 17:04.47 | xhr17 | omg, this sucks. |
| 17:04.49 | ieatlint | Torikun, that's called 2008.8 now |
| 17:04.54 | Chox | omg, omg. |
| 17:05.08 | xeros | tak rzucilem linkiem, bo ktos na #qtopia napisal, ze jest 'fresh qtopia image' |
| 17:05.20 | xeros | sorry |
| 17:05.24 | xhr17 | time to sell my neo on ebay. |
| 17:05.25 | xeros | not this channel |
| 17:05.25 | xhr17 | :( |
| 17:05.28 | Torikun | when willl the next one be releases ieatlint |
| 17:05.32 | Blalien | I onle see a qwert layout when I need to enter the sim pin... |
| 17:05.39 | zogs | fso don't have gta02 rootfs |
| 17:05.46 | ieatlint | well, 2008.8 was just released today |
| 17:05.52 | Chox | xhr17: that's right, come in here, something minor doesn't work in a development product, don't let anyone help you and insist it all sucks. |
| 17:07.40 | xhr17 | oh, i am sorry. i guess i should have tried harder to let someone help me. |
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| 17:08.29 | The_D0ct0r | multitap pad doesn't work |
| 17:08.36 | xhr17 | or is 'reflash your phone' enough help for anything? |
| 17:08.50 | The_D0ct0r | is there anyone who made it to enter his pin code in the 200808? |
| 17:08.57 | zogs | slide |
| 17:08.59 | xhr17 | great, just liek windows - if something doesnt work, just reinstall everything! |
| 17:09.02 | zogs | read topic |
| 17:09.12 | Chox | reflashing is a dummy proof method of returning to the default. it may not always be convinient, however. |
| 17:09.18 | cjb | huh, I get "cannot contact repository" in the installer app |
| 17:09.24 | cjb | even though I'm online |
| 17:09.25 | Chox | xhrit: the comparison is flawed. |
| 17:09.28 | Blalien | Did someone succesfully enter there sim pin in 2008.8? |
| 17:09.33 | xeros | btw. wouldn't you mind if I'll advertise Polish #openmoko.pl channel here for people from Poland? Thanks |
| 17:09.43 | Chox | xhr17: the comparison if flawed. and hyperbole isn't helping anytihng. |
| 17:09.46 | Chox | er, is |
| 17:09.49 | Zorkman | quick question: anybody know the sollution when you can't connect the phone through usb? it is no longer detected... |
| 17:09.50 | zogs | fuck om2008.8... gsm don't work |
| 17:09.53 | Zorkman | (using 2008.8) |
| 17:11.27 | linuxxr | xhr wat is it? |
| 17:12.31 | cjb | is officially sick of 2008.8 already too. FSO never looked so good. :) |
| 17:12.33 | Torikun | 200808 WORKS great except for wifi |
| 17:12.53 | Torikun | What is the easiest way to upgrade to future releases? opkg upgrade? |
| 17:12.56 | The_D0ct0r | @Torikun how did you manage to enter your PIN code then? |
| 17:13.09 | Torikun | The_D0ct0r: What pin code |
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| 17:13.22 | The_D0ct0r | @Torikun SIM pin? |
| 17:13.28 | Torikun | I do not have one |
| 17:13.32 | Torikun | my sim is plug and paly |
| 17:13.34 | Torikun | *play |
| 17:13.41 | The_D0ct0r | Ok |
| 17:14.37 | ieatlint | this is one of those truly awesome news headlines "Grandma arrested for driving with child on roof" |
| 17:15.00 | Chox | why was the gradma driving from the roof? |
| 17:15.05 | Chox | grandma |
| 17:15.09 | lindi- | any idea how can i access files inside http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.xglamo.git.tar.gz? do i need to unpack this git repository somehow? |
| 17:15.10 | ieatlint | "Authorities say the woman told police she was giving the child some air and letting her have fun." |
| 17:15.15 | Torikun | lol |
| 17:15.19 | Torikun | sounds like Ms.Spears |
| 17:15.20 | Chox | (lol) |
| 17:15.27 | ieatlint | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/08/07/national/a123555D08.DTL |
| 17:15.43 | ieatlint | pure genius... |
| 17:15.51 | Blalien | the keyboard in 2008.8 is nice but it misses a lot of features... |
| 17:15.59 | mwester | Sigh. Too bad we don't let natural selection work these days. |
| 17:16.11 | Torikun | Blyou have to install them |
| 17:16.39 | Blalien | Torikun: Ahh ok, I will have a look then. Thanks. |
| 17:16.51 | vpv | I can't get the PIN dialog to show up either, but hey, who actually wants to make phone calls with a phone anyway ;) |
| 17:16.55 | Torikun | i got pidgin on there |
| 17:17.07 | Chox | (lol) |
| 17:17.53 | DPThought | ieatlint: we did this too as kids. *g* But through the sunroof with the feets secure inside and low speed. :) |
| 17:18.02 | Chox | feets! |
| 17:18.05 | Chox | like sheeps |
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| 17:18.20 | ieatlint | Chox, leave my feats alone |
| 17:18.29 | Chox | great feats of feets |
| 17:20.05 | mike--2 | does anyone know of a way to edit the contacts via command line in 2007.2 |
| 17:20.28 | lindi- | mike--2: grep -r $some_contact /home/root? |
| 17:21.18 | *** join/#openmoko Toriku1 (n=root@gateway.penguincomputing.com) |
| 17:21.32 | mike--2 | well... i know they're stored in an evolution database in /home/root/.evolution/addressbook/local/system/addressbook.db |
| 17:21.42 | mike--2 | there's one in there that's (null) that i'm trying to delete |
| 17:21.54 | DPThought | mike--2: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts no ready solution but probably the best hint |
| 17:22.12 | Torikun | lol irc on openmoko is cool |
| 17:22.24 | Toriku1 | yo |
| 17:22.26 | Chox | lol it's not lol, lol |
| 17:22.30 | Toriku1 | lol |
| 17:22.41 | Chox | stabs Torikul |
| 17:22.41 | Torikun | Toriku1 is my phone |
| 17:22.42 | Torikun | lol |
| 17:22.59 | *** part/#openmoko Toriku1 (n=root@gateway.penguincomputing.com) |
| 17:23.04 | Chox | sigh |
| 17:23.04 | mike--2 | DPThought: thanks! |
| 17:23.07 | Chox | lolosers |
| 17:23.48 | Torikun | now I need a web browser that fucking works |
| 17:23.56 | Chox | goodluckwiththat |
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| 17:24.02 | Torikun | there was firefox for it |
| 17:24.14 | Chox | troo |
| 17:24.24 | Chox | but for "works", YMMV |
| 17:24.25 | Torikun | ok browser works |
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| 17:27.05 | lindi- | cjb: touchscreen seems to work here just fine when rotated (at 480x640) but i just verified that i don't have https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1244/0001-Fix-x-coord-of-input-when-rotated.patch applied. any idea how that can be? |
| 17:27.52 | Torikun | Gmail works ! |
| 17:28.20 | Chox | why is that a good thing? |
| 17:28.26 | lindi- | i haven't found gmail source code yet :) |
| 17:28.28 | mike--2 | lindi-: what are you running? I think that patch only applies to 2007.2 |
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| 17:28.42 | lindi- | mike--2: org.openmoko.dev |
| 17:28.54 | lindi- | mike--2: with mokomakefile |
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| 17:29.00 | mike--2 | heh, :) beats me |
| 17:29.44 | Torikun | WHo got wireless working on the 20080808? |
| 17:30.02 | tschuder | I didn't even get usb-net working.. |
| 17:30.10 | Torikun | want my script/ |
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| 17:30.43 | lindi- | Torikun: how did you compile it? |
| 17:30.49 | Torikun | compile what |
| 17:30.54 | lindi- | Torikun: 20080808 |
| 17:30.57 | Torikun | image |
| 17:31.10 | lindi- | Torikun: blah :( |
| 17:31.23 | Pyrasi | i have never tried FSO....but i was looking through a review of it and saw screen shots that had it looking alot like ASU....and it appeared you could run gtk apps on it fine....is this true? If so....is there some reason I wouldnt want to switch over to FSO? |
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| 17:32.02 | Torikun | The new image is really nice |
| 17:32.18 | Torikun | you should enable http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories |
| 17:32.21 | lindi- | Torikun: but images that can't be compiled are horrible ;) |
| 17:32.22 | Torikun | for Scardycat |
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| 17:34.35 | tschuder | Question: I've allways got the small "flash" icon in the right upper corner, even if I remove the USB connection. This isn't normal is it? |
| 17:34.57 | Torikun | What is the latest kernel in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/ ?? I am confuses |
| 17:35.34 | bieber | If anyone wouldn't mind helping, I'm having a little bit of a problem trying to install the 2008.8 image they just released. The bootloader seems to be complaining about a bad checksum or something (if I boot from the flash screen: if I just start it up normally, it hangs on the OM logo) |
| 17:35.43 | bieber | Do I need to update the bootloader or somesuch? |
| 17:36.23 | tschuder | bieber, I would try to update the bootloader also |
| 17:36.28 | mmontour | bieber: that sounds like a problem with the kernel - try re-flashing it with dfu-util |
| 17:36.51 | bieber | I've reflashed and re-downloaded thrice now, kernel and root filesystem |
| 17:37.06 | bieber | There hasn't been an update to dfu-util, has there? I think I last downloaded that over a month ago... |
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| 17:38.35 | bmidgley | can someone with a freerunner run "lsusb" |
| 17:38.44 | bmidgley | and tell me if the bluetooth adapter is in the list? |
| 17:38.53 | mbuf | bmidgley, yes |
| 17:38.56 | lindi- | bmidgley: it isn't here |
| 17:39.06 | mmontour | I haven't seen any recent updates to dfu-util. Try flashing the kernel again and then 'pastebin' the output so that we can make sure it looks normal |
| 17:39.09 | XorA | it will only be there if you turn it on |
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| 17:39.22 | bmidgley | oh yeah, turn it on first :) |
| 17:39.34 | Torikun | how long does it take usually to backup rootfs |
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| 17:39.45 | bmidgley | I want to know if they moved it from usb to a uart connection |
| 17:39.56 | bieber | Okay, now I'm getting a No such Alternate Setting: "kernel" |
| 17:39.56 | bieber | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.18 | XorA | bieber: using a hub? |
| 17:40.20 | mjr | bmidgley, did not |
| 17:40.21 | mmontour | Try running the command again - sometimes it fails on the first attempt |
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| 17:41.00 | bieber | Okay, I reset fixed that |
| 17:41.42 | bieber | I did just find that Om2008.8.uImage.bin and Om2008.8-gta02-200808.uImage.bin have different md5sums: is this just because of filenames, or is there something different about them? |
| 17:41.50 | bmidgley | ok... changing it to a uart connection might have explained a2dp issues |
| 17:41.55 | bmidgley | I guess it's somewhere else |
| 17:42.08 | tdobson | can the free runner cope with microSDHC cards? |
| 17:42.13 | bmidgley | ^to a *slow* uart connection^ |
| 17:42.18 | tdobson | ie 8gb microsc cards |
| 17:42.19 | kd8ikt | ok what the fudge my sd card is crapping out |
| 17:42.46 | kd8ikt | input output errors left and right |
| 17:43.42 | mmontour | bieber: they're the same file (one is probably a symlink to the other) - looks like you got a bad download. md5sum here is f5a0e045ec9a2f0f08513fffc14b362e |
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| 17:44.10 | Pyrasi | tbodson: yes |
| 17:44.13 | Pyrasi | I use one |
| 17:44.28 | bieber | That's weird: for some reason the download was apparently corrupted for me when using the symlink :/ |
| 17:44.44 | TeNoVi | How can I get the freerunner (standard Operating system) to see the swap file on the microsd card? |
| 17:44.47 | bieber | The kernel seems to be okay now, but I'm getting a terminal screen full of errors: could I see the rootfs md5sum? |
| 17:45.19 | mmontour | TeNoVi: put an entry into /etc/fstab (or manually use "mkswap" and "swapon" commands) |
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| 17:45.44 | TeNoVi | Thanks |
| 17:45.57 | brian|lfs | my fine finally decided to turn on it only took letting it sit plugged in around 20 hours |
| 17:46.18 | ssweeny | does anyone on 2008.8 have their microsd card mounted properly? |
| 17:46.28 | koenigjm | in 2008.8 does the screen just go black during use for anyone else? |
| 17:46.46 | brian|lfs | I'm probably going to go ahead and ordered the kit witht he 2 batteries and stuff |
| 17:47.03 | TeNoVi | koenigjm: When I tried, it went into black during use. |
| 17:47.29 | koenigjm | huh...it comes back when you hit the power button |
| 17:47.32 | koenigjm | standby mode? |
| 17:47.46 | TeNoVi | Now I have moved back to the standard image that came with the freerunner. I'll wait a little untill it gets more stable. |
| 17:47.57 | koenigjm | ooo, and messages works for me now |
| 17:48.18 | TeNoVi | koenigjm: If you enter "settings" you can define how soon it is going in suspend |
| 17:48.37 | gargoyle_grin | And switch it to "NEVAR!" |
| 17:48.43 | TeNoVi | hehe. |
| 17:49.10 | Torikun | wants warranty with his free software......... |
| 17:49.32 | gargoyle_grin | I void warranties. |
| 17:49.36 | Torikun | lol me 2 |
| 17:49.37 | Torikun | lol |
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| 17:50.30 | gargoyle_grin | Homebrew on my Wii, homebrew on my DS, hacked my old MotoRAZR before I got my Freerunner. |
| 17:50.31 | jadams_ | anyone running 2008.08 on a neo? |
| 17:50.40 | Torikun | Yes |
| 17:50.46 | jadams_ | does locations work? |
| 17:50.50 | Torikun | Locations? |
| 17:50.52 | Torikun | Have not checked |
| 17:51.01 | Torikun | Does wifi work? |
| 17:51.08 | jadams_ | I'm waiting on my battery to charge for a bit before I install |
| 17:51.12 | jadams_ | but there's no wifi on the neo |
| 17:51.15 | jadams_ | so no |
| 17:51.16 | jadams_ | :) |
| 17:51.17 | Torikun | free runner? |
| 17:51.24 | jadams_ | I don't have a freerunner, but yeah it works |
| 17:51.28 | Torikun | oh |
| 17:51.30 | Torikun | oops |
| 17:51.50 | Torikun | forgets there are multiple neos in the matrix |
| 17:53.03 | koenigjm | Wifi works, though the settings page for wifi doesn't seem to do anything |
| 17:53.07 | jadams_ | FreeRunner isn't a neo, is it? |
| 17:53.15 | Pyrasi | neo freerunner |
| 17:53.16 | jadams_ | does 2008.8 have a good gprs setup helper? |
| 17:53.19 | jadams_ | ahh |
| 17:53.29 | jadams_ | that explains why my question was ambiguous |
| 17:54.11 | XorA | Neo1973 is GTA01 FreeRunner is GTA02 |
| 17:54.30 | jadams_ | XorA, ok, fine, I was right |
| 17:56.11 | ieatlint | ok, i've telephony, sms, gprs with minimo all working... it feels like i have a real phone! |
| 17:56.20 | Torikun | ieatlint: What about wifi |
| 17:56.26 | ieatlint | yeah, wifi too |
| 17:56.30 | Torikun | what distro |
| 17:56.33 | ieatlint | fso |
| 17:56.47 | Torikun | hmmm.fso everything works? |
| 17:56.59 | ieatlint | well, the framework supports it all |
| 17:57.11 | ieatlint | the provided gui doesn't... |
| 17:57.15 | Torikun | lol |
| 17:57.20 | Torikun | nm then |
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| 17:57.39 | ieatlint | i've it all working on a command line, i just need to throw a gui together, which if i weren't so lazy would take ~15min |
| 17:57.41 | Torikun | 20080808 works perfectly except for wifi so far |
| 17:58.25 | Tanuva | is this 08 image this asu "release"? |
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| 17:58.42 | ieatlint | asu is now know as 2008.8 |
| 17:58.44 | Torikun | Yes |
| 17:58.58 | Tanuva | ah. *startin download* |
| 17:59.06 | gargoyle_grin | Wow. Lucky Torikun. |
| 17:59.16 | Torikun | lol |
| 17:59.21 | gargoyle_grin | I'm having trouble with both suspend and lock. |
| 17:59.25 | Torikun | I got pidgin working 2 |
| 17:59.26 | Torikun | lol |
| 17:59.38 | gargoyle_grin | I can suspend, and lock, but I can't bring it out of suspend, or unlock the screen |
| 17:59.43 | ieatlint | how does 2008.8 work with receiving phone calls whilst suspended? |
| 17:59.45 | Torikun | did you press power gargoyle_grin |
| 17:59.56 | Torikun | ieatlint: I receive phone calls when it is suspended |
| 18:00.10 | ieatlint | and gprs is supported now as well? |
| 18:00.19 | gargoyle_grin | When I press power, the screen goes blank (I assume that's suspend.) Nothing I press after that does anything as far as I can see. |
| 18:00.26 | ieatlint | where you can still receive calls when gprs is active.. |
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| 18:01.04 | gargoyle_grin | Power, aux, tapping the screen, holding aux, shaking vigorously, demonstrating, placing in a Blendtek Blender and pressing "puree." |
| 18:01.08 | gargoyle_grin | All do nothing. |
| 18:01.14 | Jokernathan | hello everyone |
| 18:01.23 | gargoyle_grin | Holding power, however, turns it off, and I can then boot it back up. |
| 18:01.57 | Torikun | I press power once and it awakes |
| 18:02.06 | gargoyle_grin | I did that. It didn't awake. |
| 18:02.10 | Jokernathan | i have a big problem, I just flash my neo with th Om 2008.8 and i can't find where to change the keyboard ! |
| 18:02.24 | Torikun | it is the icon top right of kb |
| 18:02.33 | Torikun | you can change it to terminal or 2 other choices |
| 18:02.40 | Jokernathan | i only have the keyboard without number so i can't enter my pin code |
| 18:02.41 | Torikun | icon is an a i think |
| 18:02.56 | cjb | bah, I think I'm ready to give up on 2008.08 for a few months |
| 18:03.08 | Torikun | cjb: Qtopia is pretty stable, try that |
| 18:03.12 | cjb | what's the state of FSO? Does openmoko pay people to work on it? |
| 18:03.18 | cjb | or is it all community? |
| 18:03.46 | abraxa_ | cjb: Good. Yes. No. |
| 18:04.05 | Torikun | Will there be a 20080809 today? |
| 18:04.54 | Jokernathan | i can't see any icon on the top right of the kb :-S |
| 18:05.02 | Torikun | sine there is a daily build |
| 18:05.28 | TeNoVi | Alright. I have a swap partition in my microsd. I have understand that I need to enter something into fstab. But what partition name will that be? I don't know how to find the partition names :S |
| 18:05.28 | cjb | Agrajag-: ok! I'll run that, then. |
| 18:05.46 | Torikun | is swap needed TeNoVi |
| 18:06.02 | Torikun | What are the benefits |
| 18:06.33 | TeNoVi | I had like to test it. When I used it on the 2008.8 (It did automaticly work) it ran much faster |
| 18:06.38 | Torikun | type /dev/partition name swap defaults 0 0 in fstab then swapon partition |
| 18:06.45 | kd8ikt | crap dude |
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| 18:07.04 | kd8ikt | .err kernel: mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command |
| 18:07.05 | TeNoVi | But I don't know the partition name :S |
| 18:07.12 | Torikun | fdisk -l |
| 18:07.17 | Torikun | cat /proc/partitions |
| 18:08.07 | TeNoVi | major minor #blocks name |
| 18:08.08 | TeNoVi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.08 | TeNoVi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.08 | TeNoVi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.08 | TeNoVi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.10 | TeNoVi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.12 | TeNoVi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.15 | TeNoVi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.15 | kd8ikt | dont do that |
| 18:08.17 | TeNoVi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.20 | TeNoVi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.25 | kd8ikt | ever |
| 18:08.31 | ieatlint | pastebin, man |
| 18:08.34 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.43 | TeNoVi | ... |
| 18:10.25 | bieber | Is power button supposed to bring 200808 out of standby? |
| 18:10.41 | Torikun | yes |
| 18:11.13 | bieber | Hmm |
| 18:11.19 | bieber | Looks like I've gotten it to freeze up already |
| 18:12.08 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.12 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.26 | Jokernathan | After 30 minutes under Om 2008.8 i already missed Qtopia :( |
| 18:12.40 | cjb | Jokernathan: you lasted 30 minutes? :) |
| 18:12.48 | Tanuva | Pyrasi: not yet |
| 18:12.57 | Tanuva | Pyrasi: (better) |
| 18:13.08 | Tanuva | Pyrasi: but quite usable ifyou only want simple phone and sms |
| 18:13.56 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.57 | cjb | Are there daily FSO images that can be downloaded? |
| 18:14.05 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.26 | Tanuva | cjb: no |
| 18:14.31 | Tanuva | no dailies |
| 18:14.38 | Tanuva | Pyrasi: yes, illume's there |
| 18:14.43 | kd8ikt | its like my card doesnt like to be partitioned |
| 18:15.08 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.20 | Tanuva | Pyrasi: "missing"... zhone and the backend is quite stable (=usable), but everything else is as in the gtk- or 2008.8-stacks, because it's the same software |
| 18:15.40 | Tanuva | Pyrasi: workED for me, atm it suspends but doesn't wake up... just flashed 8.8 |
| 18:15.44 | kd8ikt | oh wow i think i found a flaw in dropbear |
| 18:16.20 | kd8ikt | a serious flaw |
| 18:16.24 | jadams_ | I can't even boot my dang neo |
| 18:16.53 | jadams_ | battery "take out for thirty seconds, plug in for an hour, then turn on" situation gets old... :( |
| 18:16.56 | mwester | remembers that he was going to make a note to replace dropbear with openssh for the SHR image. |
| 18:17.06 | kd8ikt | can anyone try this to confim it? |
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| 18:17.17 | jadams_ | mwester, great, I hate dropbear |
| 18:17.19 | jadams_ | : |
| 18:17.21 | jadams_ | :) even |
| 18:17.27 | cjb | ah, but there's at least the milestone 2 download. are there repos that I can update from after running that? |
| 18:17.34 | kd8ikt | change the password to something and login with a realy long password |
| 18:18.51 | Tanuva | cjb: mickey said there will only be updates if there are serious changes |
| 18:18.53 | Dave | mwester :) |
| 18:18.57 | Dave | That would be nice. |
| 18:19.16 | cjb | Tanuva: oh. so each developer's supposed to build it with mokomakefile every day, if they want to help? |
| 18:19.36 | cjb | that sounds like it doesn't build a very good dev community |
| 18:19.48 | Tanuva | cjb: ask mickey about it, that's what I know |
| 18:19.56 | cjb | righto, thanks |
| 18:21.16 | koenigjm | anyone know a wifi gui that would work on 2008.8 |
| 18:21.30 | koenigjm | ? |
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| 18:21.59 | koenigjm | oh wait...there is a nice gui repo viewer now...:P |
| 18:22.03 | koenigjm | sorry silly question |
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| 18:24.21 | jadams_ | I'm eager for SHR. I loved FSO, and I'm worried that I'll get sad when I see 2008.8 or that it won't live up to my expectations post-FSO |
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| 18:26.13 | cjb | 2008.8 seems, bluntly, pretty awful. |
| 18:26.18 | cjb | sorry, 2008.8 people. |
| 18:26.26 | Torikun | it is working for me |
| 18:27.25 | cjb | crashes while resuming for me, the GSM dialer took about 30 seconds to respond to me hitting keys, I got online (which I had to do over USB, because there's no terminal or wifi applet) and then the repo viewer didn't find any repositories. |
| 18:28.06 | cjb | the crashing while resuming thing seems like the biggest blocker. being ridiculously slow is almost a blocker. |
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| 18:30.24 | Centaur5 | Is it not possible to make tangogps work with 2008.8? |
| 18:31.33 | cjb | someone on the mailing list said it didn't work |
| 18:31.38 | cjb | dunno if it's possible. |
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| 18:32.20 | Centaur5 | cjb: Well from what I gather it depends on gpsd which claims it doesn't find gps when you install that. Am I wrong? |
| 18:33.17 | cjb | you probably need to follow the wiki instructions on the GPS page |
| 18:34.09 | cjb | wonders why qpe uses 80% CPU constantly in 2008.8 |
| 18:34.20 | ssweeny | my only problems with 2008.8 are no wifi and no sd card |
| 18:34.45 | ssweeny | oh, and i kinda miss the "Today" screen with appointments and stuff |
| 18:35.25 | mike--2 | is reluctant to upgrade to 2008.8 |
| 18:35.54 | cjb | interesting, that's why it's so slow |
| 18:36.06 | cjb | if you kill qpe it starts being usable again |
| 18:36.11 | cjb | but you can't use it as a phone in that case |
| 18:36.45 | gargoyle_grin | Yeah. I kindof miss the old interface |
| 18:36.56 | gargoyle_grin | Three tabs at the bottom, etc |
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| 18:37.46 | ssweeny | yeah |
| 18:39.53 | confidential2 | how big partitions should I use on my SD card for Qtopia? |
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| 18:43.12 | gargoyle_grin | Weird. I can connect to my WPA access point and obtain an IP and DNS IP's via dhcp, but I can't access (ping or get name lookups from) either of the two dns server ip's, nor ping any google IP's. |
| 18:43.27 | gargoyle_grin | I'm using the /etc/network/interfaces method at the moment. |
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| 18:44.43 | Zorkman | anyway to get rasters-keyboad in 2008.8? |
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| 18:45.20 | Zorkman | i have the button on top to toggle the kb, but i'm still stuck with that stupid qtopia keyboard |
| 18:47.25 | jadams_ | I'm running FSO and can't seem to turn the thing off to actually reflash |
| 18:47.29 | jadams_ | any power button presses seem to suspend it |
| 18:47.34 | jadams_ | suspend/resume works great though :) |
| 18:47.38 | Ainulindale | jadams_: long press on power button |
| 18:47.43 | Ainulindale | 10 seconds I think |
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| 18:50.03 | lollydays | how do I get a terminal into the OM2008.8? |
| 18:50.18 | cjb | watches qpe eat as much CPU as it can get, sitting at the home screen. |
| 18:50.22 | gargoyle_grin | lolidays: opkg install openmoko-teminal2, IIRC. |
| 18:50.35 | gargoyle_grin | Any idea on the Wifi issues above? I was having the same issue in 2007.2 before I flashed 2008.08 |
| 18:50.56 | lpotter | Zorkman: 2008.8 is not qtopia, and does not use qtopia's keyboard |
| 18:51.21 | Zorkman | sorry lpotter, thought it was the qopia keyboard, my mistake and apologies |
| 18:51.42 | lpotter | no worries. common misunderstanding |
| 18:52.15 | xhr17 | ... |
| 18:52.25 | jadams_ | Ainulindale, thanks, dropping batt. works too :) |
| 18:52.38 | leinir | ASU used the qtopia keyboard for a short while, but they switched back again :) |
| 18:52.53 | lpotter | ASU wrote their own keyboartd |
| 18:53.04 | leinir | *nods* Which is what makes people confused :) |
| 18:53.06 | koenigjm | the keyboard takes a bit of getting used to |
| 18:53.07 | lpotter | styles after the qtopia one |
| 18:53.10 | koenigjm | how do you delete? |
| 18:53.18 | leinir | koenigjm: back-stroke ;) |
| 18:53.30 | leinir | slide your finger backwards over the keyboard :) |
| 18:53.36 | koenigjm | ahhh |
| 18:53.37 | koenigjm | lol |
| 18:53.39 | gargoyle_grin | Ooo. Wait. Is this installed by default in 2008.08? |
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| 18:54.07 | gargoyle_grin | The pen-stroke-based input system? |
| 18:54.30 | koenigjm | and can you do a special thing for special characters? and can you turn off the word recognition so I can type something like google? |
| 18:54.47 | lollydays | where is opnmoko-terminal2 in the repository? I can't get my neo to connect to the network so I want to just install an ipk |
| 18:55.05 | koenigjm | under Dev I think |
| 18:55.09 | Zorkman | i can't understand why they do not include a f**** ctrl key |
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| 18:56.56 | lollydays | koenigjm, i'm not seeing it |
| 18:57.01 | lollydays | can't find dev |
| 18:57.12 | ssweeny | if you hold down over a letter it will force that letter |
| 18:57.25 | Ainulindale | Zorkman: there is |
| 18:57.32 | ssweeny | and you can scroll between caps, numbers and special chars with a scroll up/down gesture |
| 18:57.33 | Pjj | with the 2008.8 what's the current lifetime ~ ? |
| 18:57.41 | Ainulindale | Zorkman: finger slide up and up until you reach the full keyboard |
| 18:57.43 | Pjj | battery life that is |
| 18:58.07 | cjb | hm, /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lusb trying to compile dfu-util |
| 18:58.18 | cjb | I have libusb and libusb-devel installed |
| 18:58.20 | lollydays | anyone know where I can find the openmoko-terminal2.ipk? I can't get my neo to connect directly |
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| 18:58.54 | ssweeny | lollydays, dns issue? |
| 18:58.58 | koenigjm | cjb: you need to have libusb-static too |
| 18:59.01 | cjb | (oh, I need -static) |
| 18:59.03 | cjb | thanks :) |
| 18:59.30 | lollydays | ssweeny, maybe |
| 18:59.57 | ssweeny | lollydays, echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:00.11 | ssweeny | (that's opendns) |
| 19:00.15 | lollydays | ok, thanks |
| 19:00.32 | Dave | Zorkmen :] |
| 19:03.09 | Pjj | no one has any idea yet about the 2008.8 battery lifetime? |
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| 19:03.28 | koenigjm | dunno...I have had mine running for a couple hours now |
| 19:03.33 | gargoyle_grin | lollydays: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/openmoko-terminal2_3.0.0+svnr4039-r0.03_armv4t.opk |
| 19:03.48 | lollydays | thanks! |
| 19:03.58 | gargoyle_grin | Quite welcome. :) Took me a bit to find it. |
| 19:04.28 | lollydays | i can ping google's IP but when I type in opkg install openmoko-terminal2 i get "an error ocurred, return value: 2" |
| 19:04.51 | abraxa_ | lollydays: You're one of many who encounter that |
| 19:04.51 | gargoyle_grin | Ugh. I *hate* that error. I've had to look at it way too many times. |
| 19:05.14 | gargoyle_grin | You might try an opkg --verbosity 2 install openmoko-terminal2. Might give you more information on what's wrong. |
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| 19:09.04 | froksen | how is the OSX support at the current stage? |
| 19:09.05 | lollydays | gargoyle_grin, when i try that it lists tons of pkg's and says "already visited" |
| 19:09.24 | froksen | Connecting to the phone and so on? |
| 19:09.42 | gargoyle_grin | Ah. Yup. I've seen that before as well. Sorry, man. I've not found a solution to it yet. I was hoping reflashing with 2008.08 would take care of it. |
| 19:10.21 | lollydays | damn |
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| 19:10.54 | linuxxr | ugly |
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| 19:11.10 | lollydays | when i try installing the terminal it says I'm missing "ttf-liberation-mono" and "libvte9" |
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| 19:11.18 | gargoyle_grin | Oh... actually... you might try a -nodeps if you're sure the dependencies are satisfied. |
| 19:11.38 | tabac | hi guys (and girls) |
| 19:11.51 | lollydays | how do I check if I have those? |
| 19:12.01 | tabac | Congrats on the release... looks goog |
| 19:12.07 | tabac | goog -> good |
| 19:13.04 | gargoyle_grin | lollydays: Not sure. You might try opkg whatdepends openmoko-terminal2*.ipk, but that might just give you the same "return value 2" error. |
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| 19:14.55 | lollydays | gargoyle-grin, yeah I need the deps. Do you think they'd be anywhere online? |
| 19:15.13 | lollydays | nevermind, found it |
| 19:15.32 | gargoyle_grin | Ah. Good. :) |
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| 19:16.37 | brian|lfs | is 20088 any better then the pervious version I haven't updated yet |
| 19:16.54 | brian|lfs | I know the version I have on my phone when people call you can't answer the phone becuase nothing poips up lol |
| 19:17.03 | lollydays | gargoyle_grin, can't find libvte9... |
| 19:17.58 | lollydays | sorry, found that one too |
| 19:17.59 | lollydays | haha |
| 19:18.07 | tabac | In Om2008.8 I don't get prompted for the SIM pin and I can't make calls. How can I see the status of the GSM connection |
| 19:18.09 | tabac | ? |
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| 19:18.15 | gargoyle_grin | lollydays: Heh. Cool. No problem. |
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| 19:19.23 | mbuf | from where can I get a qtopia-ficgta01-sdk-4.3.2.vmx file that I can use with vmplayer? |
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| 19:20.21 | fuzzyt | mbug: qtopia.net? |
| 19:20.35 | fuzzyt | mbuf* |
| 19:21.27 | brian|lfs | I'm confused |
| 19:21.46 | brian|lfs | why wold they release 20088 it has to many bugs its not even useable lol |
| 19:21.57 | cjb | yeah |
| 19:22.00 | cjb | I don't get it either |
| 19:22.02 | si-m1 | its usable |
| 19:22.07 | brian|lfs | no it isn't |
| 19:22.08 | cjb | si-m1: no, it really ins't |
| 19:22.13 | abraxa_ | brian|lfs: planet.openmoko.org |
| 19:22.14 | si-m1 | i can call |
| 19:22.17 | si-m1 | receive calls |
| 19:22.19 | si-m1 | send sms |
| 19:22.42 | brian|lfs | where do I get the image my freerunner came with |
| 19:22.49 | brian|lfs | I've eyt to find the right version numbert |
| 19:23.02 | tkep | did something change in usb networking with om2008.8 |
| 19:23.07 | si-m1 | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.4/ |
| 19:23.12 | si-m1 | no |
| 19:23.21 | mmaestri | anybody knows for sure what's happening with openembedded.net? |
| 19:23.26 | si-m1 | its still 192.168.0.202 |
| 19:23.35 | tkep | i cannot get ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 to do jack shit |
| 19:23.39 | si-m1 | but you have to reboot after initial boot |
| 19:23.45 | si-m1 | before it will work |
| 19:23.52 | tkep | 99% sure i did that |
| 19:23.56 | tkep | but i'll try again |
| 19:24.09 | cjb | is flashing back to FSO milestone 2 |
| 19:24.27 | brian|lfs | does anyone knwo where I can get the stock freerunner images |
| 19:24.29 | lollydays | dang it! Why can't I use the symbols in the OM2008.8 keyboard |
| 19:24.31 | ssweeny | tkep, unplug and replug the usb cable |
| 19:24.33 | Dave | hoenoes, it's lenier! |
| 19:24.34 | ssweeny | that worked for me |
| 19:24.41 | Dave | hmm |
| 19:24.45 | brian|lfs | they worked better then what is on my phone now 2007. something |
| 19:24.47 | Dave | lpotter, so, what's new with the Q? |
| 19:24.48 | si-m1 | brian|lfs: 2008.4 should be stock |
| 19:24.54 | tkep | ssweeny, come on, i tried that :-p |
| 19:24.55 | brian|lfs | oh ok |
| 19:25.04 | brian|lfs | fsorry missed that si-m1 |
| 19:25.32 | brian|lfs | when I read that I was thinking it was the new image that came out today |
| 19:25.43 | leinir | Dave: *curtsies* And, it would seem, it is you :) |
| 19:25.50 | tabac | In Om2008.8 I don't get prompted for the SIM pin and I can't make calls. How can I see the status of the GSM connection? |
| 19:26.30 | si-m1 | it's the small icon in topright corner |
| 19:26.33 | lollydays | actually, i can't use the keyboard at all |
| 19:26.37 | si-m1 | should look like most cellphones |
| 19:27.22 | brian|lfs | has anyone even got the data part of there sim card to work on openmoko |
| 19:27.27 | brian|lfs | I've yet to find anyone that has |
| 19:27.49 | Tanuva | 8.8 seems quite... unfinished. |
| 19:27.55 | confidential2 | will the phone be charged when in NOR or NAND? |
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| 19:27.59 | tabac | si-m1: tnx. Can I get another go at entering a SIM pin? |
| 19:28.29 | si-m1 | dont think so if you've closed it |
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| 19:28.56 | mwester | Was it the 2008.8.8 image? or just 2008.8 -- if the latter, they still have the rest of the month to clean up the bugs... |
| 19:29.27 | tabac | si-m1: I haven't ... I never get to the pin entering dialog |
| 19:29.39 | kd8ikt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B62G6yDkHD8 |
| 19:29.50 | si-m1 | brian|lfs: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS this guide should work if you know your way around pppd |
| 19:30.11 | brian|lfs | thats just it I don't lol |
| 19:30.18 | si-m1 | tabac: ok, strange, i got it a while after menu came up |
| 19:30.39 | Yasumoto | alright, if it's complicated, I can check it out |
| 19:30.40 | cga | kd8ikt, oh man.... that is *so* sad |
| 19:30.48 | tabac | si-m1: A while? after how long? |
| 19:30.54 | kd8ikt | isnt it |
| 19:30.54 | si-m1 | tabac: about 10s |
| 19:30.54 | Yasumoto | but is this thing seriously going to suspend every 15 minutes while I'm sshed in?! |
| 19:31.10 | jadams_ | I just flashed with 2008.8 and now my neo1973 just sits at the very first openmoko screen (on boot keypress) and never goes anywhere else |
| 19:31.21 | tabac | si-m1: ok, hmm. Well |
| 19:31.23 | Yasumoto | (er, 15 seconds) |
| 19:31.36 | si-m1 | Yasumoto: you can change it in the settings menu |
| 19:32.01 | lollydays | how do I press return with the keyboard |
| 19:32.15 | xt | extend your finger, push the button |
| 19:32.15 | Yasumoto | si-m1: schnap. |
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| 19:32.18 | Yasumoto | thank you |
| 19:32.29 | Tanuva | switches back to fsom2 |
| 19:32.37 | lollydays | xt: it just makes another line in terminal when I want to run the command |
| 19:32.55 | Yasumoto | Tanuva: really? what were your issues with it? |
| 19:34.13 | lollydays | can't press enter with the keyboard? wtf |
| 19:34.27 | Tanuva | Yasumoto: it doesn't prompt for pin or I can't get the focus on the pin entry field, it feels unresponsive... |
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| 19:34.44 | Tanuva | and zhone's etk gui is way nicer :D |
| 19:35.09 | Torikun | sleep mode causes GSM not o work |
| 19:35.10 | Yasumoto | Tanuva: mm, kk |
| 19:35.24 | igor321 | so is 2008.8 dope or whut? |
| 19:35.36 | jadams_ | is 2008.8 supposed to work on a neo1973? |
| 19:35.46 | cjb | jadams_: no |
| 19:35.51 | Tanuva | igor321: try it by yourself, that's just my conclusion :) |
| 19:35.51 | igor321 | jadams_: no, ofcourse |
| 19:35.58 | jadams_ | why would that be of course? |
| 19:36.00 | cjb | jadams_: they asked on the mailing list to hear from people who'd like it to work on neo |
| 19:36.05 | jadams_ | I asked in here earlier and someone said yes |
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| 19:36.11 | cjb | so they can decide whether they want to do that |
| 19:36.14 | jadams_ | cjb: I can't modify my mailing list settings to get it to a digest for me |
| 19:36.20 | igor321 | jadams_: they were lying |
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| 19:36.30 | jadams_ | cjb, so I miss stuff frequently on the list these days |
| 19:36.54 | jadams_ | cjb, I know I and others have complained about this - I go on to the mailing list site, enter in all the info to, for instance, unsubscribe, and it just doesn't work |
| 19:37.05 | jadams_ | anyway, sigh |
| 19:37.10 | Tanuva | jadams_: cookies? |
| 19:37.12 | jadams_ | now I have to reflash with a distro that works |
| 19:37.19 | Chox | Debian! |
| 19:37.22 | jadams_ | Tanuva, perhaps... |
| 19:37.33 | lollydays | anyone know how to be able to run a command in the terminal with this silly keyboard? |
| 19:37.34 | mmaestri | hi Chox |
| 19:37.34 | jadams_ | Chox, I have a 2GB SD in there, I just don't know how to load debian on the thing |
| 19:37.42 | Chox | mmumumumuaestri! |
| 19:37.45 | trix | 2008.8 is lookin' pretty nifty |
| 19:37.47 | Torikun | lol change kb to terminal |
| 19:37.57 | Chox | jadams: Debian page on wiki. Needs to be updated tho. |
| 19:38.02 | mmaestri | Chox: how're you doing... |
| 19:38.16 | mmaestri | Chox: have you tried 2008.8? |
| 19:38.23 | jadams_ | Chox, are you running debian? |
| 19:38.34 | Tanuva | lollydays: drawing a line from top to bottom of the keyboard right over it should generate a newline |
| 19:40.08 | Chox | mmaestri: nope |
| 19:40.14 | Chox | jadams_: sort of. |
| 19:40.21 | Chox | has to redo the Debian wiki page. |
| 19:40.45 | jadams_ | Chox, I'd gladly help if you'd tell me what I need to do to install debian in the first place (so I know what to put on the page :)) |
| 19:40.55 | Chox | well, follow the page as it is :p |
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| 19:43.07 | tabac | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.11 | Chox | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.12 | lollydays | how do you change to the slider front menu? |
| 19:43.31 | Chox | Friday yet? |
| 19:43.46 | jadams_ | Chox, k |
| 19:45.32 | jadams_ | Chox, should I build the kernel with moredrivers? |
| 19:45.43 | lollydays | does the stable release have a ringeR? |
| 19:46.02 | Chox | no, just use daily kernel |
| 19:46.14 | Chox | and you just need one partition |
| 19:46.18 | mmaestri | Chox: so you're still running fso, i guess. have you been able to build an image, or are you using fso m2 yet? |
| 19:46.25 | Chox | latest uboot will boot from ext2/3 |
| 19:46.56 | Chox | bank on GTK, like time I updated. Haven't tried to build FSO again yet. still mooing about cross g77, I expect |
| 19:47.00 | Chox | back |
| 19:47.11 | lollydays | anyone? ringer in ASU |
| 19:47.22 | Chox | that's from last weekend, so I'm outta date. |
| 19:47.33 | jadams_ | Chox, what was that about just needing one partition? |
| 19:47.41 | jadams_ | right now I'm downloading that first 'known good' filesystem |
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| 19:47.54 | jadams_ | and I'm going to make an ext3 on my SD and untar that to the SD |
| 19:47.59 | Chox | jadams_: the instructions as they imply you need FAT+ext2. that's no longer true. |
| 19:48.05 | jadams_ | then I'm going to install latest kernel from (where for the neo?) |
| 19:48.09 | jadams_ | Chox, ahh |
| 19:48.17 | jadams_ | I didn't see anything about FAT so far |
| 19:48.19 | Chox | grab uImage from daily builds |
| 19:48.58 | jadams_ | kk |
| 19:49.46 | Dave | lures leinir |
| 19:49.56 | dingman | Are the old daily package feed dirs archived anywhere? |
| 19:50.00 | Chox | what bait will you use? |
| 19:50.46 | dingman | needs openmoko-messages from a couple days ago. |
| 19:50.48 | jadams_ | I've never flashed uboot and I have an old neo, what image should I flash uboot with? |
| 19:50.58 | Chox | heh, dunno. |
| 19:51.09 | leinir | Dave: Hmm? :) |
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| 19:55.39 | CVirus | tabac: ? |
| 19:55.47 | leinir | tabac: ? |
| 19:55.53 | aggtrfrad | he ping u too? |
| 19:56.00 | leinir | Everybody ping tabac, he wants your undivided attention! |
| 19:56.10 | leinir | aggtrfrad: He pinged the channel :) |
| 19:56.22 | CVirus | hehe |
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| 19:56.50 | Bish | 2008.8 is great stable, but what happend to the keyboard? |
| 19:57.03 | Chox | hah, question of the month |
| 19:57.28 | Tanuva | not just the month... |
| 19:57.39 | Bish | LOL |
| 19:57.40 | Bish | lol* |
| 19:57.42 | Tanuva | (not that there happened anything to my kb yet...) |
| 19:57.46 | Chox | stabs Bish with his lol. |
| 19:57.47 | Bish | hm, and the battery displayer does not work |
| 19:57.57 | Bish | ouch |
| 19:58.10 | Bish | so, there is no .. useable keyboard like the terminal version in 2008.8 ? |
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| 19:59.10 | si-m1 | the keyboard in 2008.8 rocks |
| 19:59.19 | Tanuva | fso rocks... |
| 19:59.33 | mmontour | jadams_: the newest daily u-boot on buildhost should be OK, but if you have a Neo1973 then you should ask someone with a debug board to confirm that the image is OK before you update your device. |
| 19:59.38 | si-m1 | you can type crazy fast without a stylus |
| 19:59.55 | Bish | Tanuva: yes youre write, but i need sms support |
| 20:00.02 | Bish | si-m1: it rocks? how can i make backspaceà |
| 20:00.04 | Tanuva | Bish: fsom2 has sms support |
| 20:00.05 | aggtrfrad | whats with wifi |
| 20:00.17 | Tanuva | Bish: just don't know if notifying of new ones works properly (at all?) |
| 20:00.21 | Bish | Tanuva: yes.. great, the sms'es arrive when u reboot the neo |
| 20:00.23 | aggtrfrad | it just says wifi unknown |
| 20:00.30 | si-m1 | Bish: drag finger from right to left |
| 20:00.35 | Tanuva | Bish: not for me afaik, just need to check |
| 20:00.39 | cga | is it possible to install 2008.8 FSO SHR an Qtopia in the microSD? is there a wiki like for flashing? do i use the dfu-utils? |
| 20:00.50 | wurp2|working | Tanuva: I'm pretty sure notification of smses doesn't work at all in FSO now |
| 20:00.53 | Bish | si-m1: im german, so the .. recommened words are shit too :P |
| 20:01.06 | si-m1 | Bish: if you hold the finger over a button you will get a magnifying glass and it will skip the t9 |
| 20:01.09 | Tanuva | wurp2|working: hm. okay, then that maybe was coincidence |
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| 20:01.31 | si-m1 | but if you type fast you will need to stick to the recommended word thingy |
| 20:01.43 | Bish | so i will have to hold the finger all the time |
| 20:01.43 | wurp2|working | Tanuva: You got notified of an SMS? |
| 20:01.46 | Bish | and thats fast? |
| 20:01.50 | si-m1 | no |
| 20:01.52 | si-m1 | thats slow |
| 20:01.54 | si-m1 | he he |
| 20:02.07 | Bish | haha i c.. |
| 20:02.10 | si-m1 | but i imagine there will be other wordlists in the future |
| 20:02.13 | Bish | where is the.. "word database" |
| 20:02.16 | Bish | yeah sure |
| 20:02.18 | Tanuva | wurp2|working: no, I once saw that there's one - that's why I'm not sure |
| 20:02.45 | Tanuva | s/one/an sms/ |
| 20:02.56 | cga | anyone please? |
| 20:03.08 | cga | i'm craving to try them |
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| 20:05.35 | Bish | si-m1: how do i make a return in the xterm? |
| 20:05.58 | Bish | ah i c.. |
| 20:06.00 | si-m1 | Bish: swich to the symbolskeyboard with dragging the keybord up or down |
| 20:06.02 | Bish | hm okay, |
| 20:06.15 | Bish | i liked the terminal keyboard more |
| 20:06.38 | si-m1 | yeah, its probably better for terminal-stuff |
| 20:06.56 | Bish | hm, its better for german grammar nazies |
| 20:06.57 | spdr_ | no web browser for qtopia?? |
| 20:07.05 | linuxxr | i installed 080808 an i cant hear anything on the phone but it answers an i cant hear it ring |
| 20:07.09 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.21 | spdr_ | no web browser for qtopia?? :\\\ |
| 20:07.22 | Bish | what the fuck is 080808 |
| 20:07.23 | Bish | :D |
| 20:07.36 | Bish | spdr_: no.. minomo,openmoko-browser |
| 20:07.41 | jadams_ | Chox, re: debian, got a sec? |
| 20:07.47 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.54 | si-m1 | Bish: check your calendar :) |
| 20:08.04 | jadams_ | mmontour, I have a debug board |
| 20:08.10 | jadams_ | mmontour, so no worries |
| 20:08.15 | spdr_ | im on qtopia-4.3.2-080808-rootfs-08081019.jffs2 |
| 20:08.26 | Bish | si-m1: its 09, im from australia :D |
| 20:08.27 | Bish | haha ! |
| 20:08.34 | si-m1 | Bish: doh :P |
| 20:08.36 | spdr_ | just flashed .. and it seems the wifi works |
| 20:08.43 | Infoport | ok, so what I've installed to SD "Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.rootfs.tar.gz" is NOT ASU? The irc-blurb when I connect seems to cast doubt |
| 20:09.02 | Bish | si-m1: i thionk its called 2008.8 ,isnt it |
| 20:09.06 | linuxxr | ok |
| 20:09.13 | linuxxr | excuse me please |
| 20:09.22 | si-m1 | these are releases: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/ |
| 20:09.27 | wurp2|working | Tanuva: I saw mickey talking about this in cdevel earlier today |
| 20:09.34 | si-m1 | others are daily builds etc |
| 20:09.43 | wurp2|working | Tanuva: It looks as if SMS support is there (send & receive), but there's no notification |
| 20:09.45 | Bish | i dont like keyboard,wifi support, and the battery logo on the top-right |
| 20:09.49 | Bish | evrything else is great |
| 20:10.15 | wurp2|working | Tanuva: And the support is incomplete - direct send is either not there or is undocumented; for now you have to load the message into the sim, then send |
| 20:10.38 | Infoport | ok, so ASU is out but people need to keep it separate from the Aug 8 build of OM2007 ? |
| 20:10.52 | Bish | yes Infoport |
| 20:11.08 | Bish | 2On-line, battery status critical: 0% (0:00:00) |
| 20:11.12 | Bish | this seems to be a bug too |
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| 20:11.42 | tkep | ok, i swear i can't connect over ssh via usb with om2008 |
| 20:11.47 | tkep | lsusb doesn't show a device |
| 20:11.47 | si-m1 | Bish: where did you get that? |
| 20:11.55 | Bish | si-m1: apm , ssh |
| 20:11.58 | tkep | what do i need to do to get my pc to see it |
| 20:12.01 | si-m1 | mine works |
| 20:12.04 | si-m1 | # apm |
| 20:12.04 | si-m1 | On-line, battery charging: 94% (0:28:00) |
| 20:12.14 | Bish | and my battery logo is always .. "Connected to USB" |
| 20:12.14 | Infoport | Bish: thanks, sorry if it has been beaten to death, that chatroom blurb made me wonder (but ASU *does* look different from first glance!) |
| 20:12.17 | Bish | even if its not |
| 20:12.32 | si-m1 | tkep: ubuntu has the driver atleast |
| 20:12.43 | tkep | si-m1, ubuntu, works fine when i flash to stock 2007 |
| 20:12.48 | tkep | ubuntu 8.04 |
| 20:12.50 | aggtrfrad | dmesg |
| 20:12.52 | si-m1 | ah ko |
| 20:12.54 | aggtrfrad | to see what happened |
| 20:13.01 | si-m1 | it should be exactly as the stock |
| 20:13.03 | tkep | dmesg shows nothing when i plug it in |
| 20:13.07 | si-m1 | except for the issue with first boot |
| 20:13.11 | tkep | tail -f /var/log/dmesg |
| 20:13.14 | tkep | nothing changes |
| 20:13.17 | aggtrfrad | some distros wont accept the usb connection, and u have to reboot |
| 20:13.20 | si-m1 | it didnt for me either |
| 20:13.29 | tkep | reboot the pc or the phone? |
| 20:13.30 | si-m1 | on the first boot, but then it fixed itself on the next boot |
| 20:13.36 | si-m1 | the phone |
| 20:13.40 | aggtrfrad | if dmesg shows nothing its weird |
| 20:13.40 | tkep | definitely did that |
| 20:13.53 | tkep | tail -f /var/log/messages shows something |
| 20:14.11 | si-m1 | dmesg did show that the device was connected |
| 20:14.21 | si-m1 | but not the ethernetdriver on usb0 |
| 20:14.27 | cga | anyone pleas: is it possible to install 2008.8 FSO SHR an Qtopia in the microSD? is there a wiki like for flashing? do i use the dfu-utils? (sorry for repeating) |
| 20:14.37 | Infoport | is there a place where I can edit and REORDER the NAND menu options? I tried to setenv over the FAT+ext2 boot option, but it added a new option that is displayed 3rd (rather it be above the FAT boot option) |
| 20:14.37 | aggtrfrad | simplw question. dows wifi work on a clean 2008.0 install? |
| 20:14.44 | cga | i searched the wiki but i can't find anything |
| 20:14.45 | si-m1 | tkep: you flashed the newest kernel aswell? |
| 20:14.48 | Zorkman | cga: there is a wiki: booting from SD |
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| 20:14.54 | tkep | the one with the image, yes |
| 20:14.57 | si-m1 | yeah |
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| 20:15.10 | Zorkman | cga: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
| 20:15.17 | Dave | bah, nothing works :( |
| 20:15.20 | *** part/#openmoko malik1972 (n=malik197@e181162175.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 20:15.23 | si-m1 | aggtrfrad: wifi works with 2008.8 if you set it up manually |
| 20:15.24 | cga | Zorkman, that's booting. i'm reading it but i can't find how to flash |
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| 20:15.33 | Dave | Anyone else had luck with the pointer fix for GTK? |
| 20:15.44 | tkep | when i plugged it in, messages says "Aug 8 16:15:27 travis1420 kernel: [14789.267891] usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 12" |
| 20:15.46 | cga | Zorkman, ohps |
| 20:15.50 | Zorkman | :) |
| 20:15.59 | tkep | so it detects the phone |
| 20:16.27 | tkep | dmesg does nothing..... |
| 20:16.28 | si-m1 | tkep: ah ok, good, but you lack the [ 4620.445740] usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.0-1, CDC Ethernet Device, |
| 20:16.35 | si-m1 | right? |
| 20:16.56 | Dave | zorkman, any new things? :] |
| 20:16.59 | tkep | Aug 8 15:29:04 travis1420 kernel: [12905.659893] cdc_acm 3-1:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device |
| 20:17.01 | tkep | that's what i get |
| 20:17.10 | Infoport | cga: it says "Populating SD card". basically you don't "flash", you un-tar or copy the files over |
| 20:17.43 | cga | Infoport, thanks. so i just partition for each OS and cp ? |
| 20:17.44 | tkep | i'm going to reflash, si-m1 can you link me to the right kernel just to be positive? |
| 20:17.56 | cga | then adjust the bootloader? |
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| 20:18.23 | si-m1 | tkep: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin |
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| 20:18.33 | tkep | yeah, that's the one :-\ |
| 20:18.43 | jomat | Hi. |
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| 20:19.03 | si-m1 | tkep: but.. i got only the ACM device aswell the first boot, so maybe the initial rootfs boot didnt complete the stpes |
| 20:19.06 | si-m1 | *steps |
| 20:19.21 | brian|lfs | hey si-m1 I'm going to put 20088 on my phone then I'm going to put all the scripts on my phone in the proper location |
| 20:19.40 | si-m1 | brian|lfs: don't know if it works on 2008.8 |
| 20:19.42 | tkep | ok, reflashing the whole thing right now |
| 20:19.46 | tkep | on Red Hat's time :) |
| 20:19.49 | brian|lfs | for gprs then I'll let you know when I have questions about what I need to put int he scripts and where |
| 20:19.49 | Infoport | cga: that Wiki page has info, except for a few places you might follow a link for *more* info. You make a kernel partition, one for each OS, copy the kernel and uncompress the rootfs (matching OS) into its partition |
| 20:19.56 | cga | does 2008.08 has a terminal? |
| 20:20.00 | si-m1 | yes |
| 20:20.05 | tkep | cga, yes, but not readily accessible |
| 20:20.07 | brian|lfs | why would it be any different |
| 20:20.12 | cga | ok tkep |
| 20:20.28 | si-m1 | brian|lfs: its a new kernel |
| 20:20.40 | *** join/#openmoko liberate_me (n=Bob@tdayal.student.iastate.edu) |
| 20:20.46 | si-m1 | and loads of new software |
| 20:20.48 | liberate_me | how does one change the ringer volume in the new ASU? |
| 20:20.50 | brian|lfs | as long as the kernel has the same options it should be find |
| 20:20.52 | brian|lfs | fine |
| 20:20.59 | Infoport | cga: yes, and then adjust bootloader. I just did it myself, and it took reading Booting_from_SD and a linked page on the Bootloader |
| 20:21.02 | tkep | liberate_me, i did it from alsa-mixer |
| 20:21.03 | tkep | :) |
| 20:21.08 | tkep | i dunno how to from the phone |
| 20:21.10 | liberate_me | tkep, which slider is it? |
| 20:21.19 | si-m1 | brian|lfs: yeah, probably will work, but i dont know anyone who has successfully got it to work, that's all :) |
| 20:21.22 | Dave | pokes lpotter |
| 20:21.22 | brian|lfs | I got to do somethign about my sticky keyboard not sure what I ate recently yuck |
| 20:21.33 | tkep | liberate_me, you'll have to wait for my flash to get finished and for a successful connection over ssh |
| 20:21.37 | tkep | then i can tell you |
| 20:21.37 | Dave | touches leinir |
| 20:21.41 | cga | Infoport, thanks so is like kernel_partition + relative rootfs_partion for each os? (thanks alot for your support) |
| 20:21.46 | Dave | :P |
| 20:21.49 | liberate_me | tkep, ok, take your time :) |
| 20:21.54 | tkep | sorry, i am having issues atm |
| 20:21.56 | brian|lfs | has anyone gotten GPRS working before |
| 20:22.07 | tkep | nope |
| 20:22.09 | brian|lfs | I've asked several times in here before any everyone is like no haven't tried yet |
| 20:22.39 | si-m1 | brian|lfs: xt had it up and running on 2008.4 |
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| 20:23.03 | brian|lfs | any idea what network? |
| 20:23.09 | si-m1 | netcom norway |
| 20:23.23 | *** join/#openmoko leinirAWAY (n=leinir@d54C5B8AA.access.telenet.be) |
| 20:23.26 | si-m1 | there's a table for alot of operators on the wiki |
| 20:24.03 | lpotter | spdr_: web browser for qtopia will happen in 4.4 |
| 20:24.24 | liberate_me | lpotter, any expected dates for 4.4? |
| 20:24.29 | Dave | lpotter how's the qpkg repo? |
| 20:24.46 | lpotter | same as it has been |
| 20:24.50 | Infoport | cga: hmm...not sure. I thought you could put multiple kernels into that partition, but the directions I used say it MUST be called "uImage.bin" once copied over, so I don't know if you need separate partitions, or if you tell bootloader how to call them by name |
| 20:24.59 | Dave | an unsuccessful piece of crap? |
| 20:25.07 | Dave | That's how it was, last I heard, anyway ;) |
| 20:25.40 | lpotter | well, considering its only me compiling apps for it in my spare time... |
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| 20:26.02 | mmontour | Infoport: kernel name can be anything as long as it matches the u-boot configuration. |
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| 20:26.26 | cga | Infoport, i see. i guess i ought to use separate partitions ofr multiple kernels if they must be named uImage.bin |
| 20:26.27 | Dave | lpotter :) |
| 20:26.31 | Dave | gives lpotter money |
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| 20:26.54 | Zorkman | what you looking for Dave? |
| 20:27.01 | Dave | zorkmids! |
| 20:27.07 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.11 | Dave | Zorkman, some new blood, in the qtopia line. |
| 20:27.12 | Bish | oO .. my mobile is not chargin while in 2008.8 |
| 20:27.35 | lpotter | Dave: grab yourself a compiler. |
| 20:27.45 | brian|lfs | si-m1, I saw the table when I went through the guide the first time my problem was I didn't understand where in the scripts I input the stuff on the table |
| 20:27.50 | Dave | I have one, should it compile qtopia? |
| 20:28.03 | lpotter | it doesnt already? |
| 20:28.09 | Dave | No |
| 20:28.13 | lpotter | pity |
| 20:28.16 | Dave | heh |
| 20:28.25 | brian|lfs | I'm going to reimage my phone first becuase the image I have is pretty bad it don't seem to keep call history |
| 20:28.28 | Dave | Well it's not like it'd be getting me anything useful out of it, from what I've seen yet |
| 20:28.47 | lpotter | whats 'useful'? |
| 20:28.48 | Infoport | mmontour: would that be put in the Menu_# entry? what part of that entry do you change? |
| 20:28.51 | Dave | I'm open to suggestions and monetary as well as delectable forms of persuasion however, lpotter ;) |
| 20:29.02 | aggtrfrad | naaaaah how can i disable the damn auto word thing |
| 20:29.13 | Dave | winks at leinir |
| 20:29.16 | Torikun | aggtrfrad: 200808 has a realy keyboard option |
| 20:29.19 | Torikun | if you click the a |
| 20:29.26 | leinirAWAY | *giggles* :) |
| 20:29.27 | Torikun | the older images require you to click change input method |
| 20:29.34 | Dave | hides behind leinir |
| 20:29.44 | si-m1 | brian|lfs: under the scripts there's text explaining it.. "internet" is the APN ex. |
| 20:29.48 | brian|lfs | is the uimage file the kernel or the u-boot? |
| 20:30.04 | Dave | Lpotter, is there anything new and interesting I can install or build for the Qtopia image and play around with? |
| 20:30.06 | Infoport | cga: mmontour says the uBoot entry just needs to match, but I haven't gotten that far yet myself |
| 20:30.07 | brian|lfs | for 20088 |
| 20:30.08 | si-m1 | brian|lfs: the kernal |
| 20:30.14 | brian|lfs | ok ust wanted to make sure |
| 20:30.33 | leinirAWAY | Dave: The Amarok Mobile Companion! ...oh wait, it's not written yet ;) |
| 20:30.37 | Dave | I hadn't even booted my qtopia phone in several weeks because there really wasn't anything I could do with it, and the new and exciting qpackage manager well, wasn't so much so. :) |
| 20:30.43 | Dave | Leinir -_- |
| 20:30.45 | alex-weej_ | http://alex-weej.blogspot.com/2008/08/sucata-run-2008.html |
| 20:30.50 | Dave | spanks leinir |
| 20:30.59 | Ko_deZ | Been away for a while. What is happening regarding the GSM echo stuff? Thought I should do some research on it, but need to know current status |
| 20:31.00 | leinirAWAY | murrs ;) |
| 20:31.11 | leinirAWAY | i mean... Thank You, Sir, can i have another? ;) |
| 20:31.12 | cga | Infoport, you mean far as installing multiple oses? |
| 20:31.25 | alex-weej_ | http://alex-weej.blogspot.com/2008/08/sucata-run-2008.html |
| 20:31.27 | tdobson | bah I have found up what the gsm thinks of my sim card " sim failure" |
| 20:31.36 | lpotter | Dave: umm. you could use it as a phone |
| 20:31.47 | Dave | lpotter, hah! true |
| 20:31.57 | Dave | though apparently can't use it for internet (anything) |
| 20:32.03 | Infoport | cga: yes, with one kernel partition (I *think* someone posted about their tri-boot on one of the lists too) |
| 20:32.12 | Dave | which makes it even less desirable than it's less impressive gtk counterparts |
| 20:32.20 | Dave | Leinir >:) |
| 20:33.35 | Tanuva | wurp2|working: ah, that's why it didn't send it at first. okay, then I just "misunderstood" what's there yet :) |
| 20:34.20 | Dave | LUL |
| 20:34.22 | cga | Infoport, well.. now that i have enough info i can try triboot myself. otherwise i just can erase the SD and install one at the time. if i manage to i can write a "multiboot install on sd" for the wiki |
| 20:34.36 | cga | Infoport, thanks alot again =) |
| 20:34.40 | Dave | well, there goes my qtopia phone :D |
| 20:35.05 | brian|lfs | ok cool my 20088 rootfs image is loading to my openmoko freerunner phone |
| 20:35.28 | Infoport | cga: btw, the Bootloader page tells you all about how the commands work, and then just gives it to you. |
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| 20:36.32 | brian|lfs | I still ask the question why was 20088 released with thigns on the features lsit not complete yet |
| 20:36.50 | Torikun | 200808 does not look anything like the screen shots |
| 20:37.21 | xhr17 | hehe |
| 20:37.25 | ConfidentiaL | but 2008.8 does... |
| 20:37.27 | Dave | apparently it went into suspend while upgrading everything now when resuming the display is all fucked up and it won't launch applications :D |
| 20:37.30 | mmontour | Infoport: the kernel name appears in the "ext2load" or "fatload" command. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#How_it_Works |
| 20:37.36 | xhr17 | those are not screenshots, it an artists impression |
| 20:37.40 | Dave | laughs in leinir's general direction. |
| 20:38.19 | Torikun | lololo |
| 20:38.24 | brian|lfs | did they even put a startup sound back ye tlol |
| 20:38.48 | cga | Infoport, thanks =) |
| 20:39.00 | Dave | goddamn it's fucked |
| 20:39.23 | Torikun | dosbox and pidgin run good on the new image |
| 20:39.31 | Dave | qtopia? |
| 20:39.38 | Torikun | 20080808 |
| 20:39.46 | Dave | haha yeah okay that's nice |
| 20:39.47 | brian|lfs | I'm not even sure how you would make a phoen call becuase you would run out of battery juice before you have a chance to make a phone call |
| 20:39.52 | Dave | but preportedly, wifi doesn't |
| 20:39.55 | Dave | nor does usb |
| 20:39.58 | Dave | so :D |
| 20:40.15 | alex-weej_ | before anyone else grills me for spam, sorry. "/amsg" works for all networks at once in X-Chat, CAUTION! |
| 20:40.17 | Infoport | cga: hold onto your working OS too...mine went into suspend after the first boot from SD, and then on reboot it has a kernel panic |
| 20:40.22 | brian|lfs | the thing uses so much dam battery juice |
| 20:40.39 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:41.09 | Infoport | cga: plus I'm only a few steps ahead of you :-D |
| 20:41.26 | donomo | ive been on Om2008.8 for 3 hours. biggest problem: white screen of death. after unsleep, the screen is solid white. |
| 20:41.26 | mmontour | Ko_deZ: I haven't seen any recent activity on the echo issue (#1267 in Trac). There has been some investigation (but no fixes AFAIK) regarding the GSM "buzz" interference |
| 20:42.26 | linuxxr | lets see ,, gps.. wifi..,,,gsm.., o an a computer +bluetooth i guess its gonna burn some juice |
| 20:42.27 | cga | arg |
| 20:42.27 | cga | Infoport, but i leave the 2007.02 in NAND and put the rest in microSD. is that what you did? |
| 20:42.27 | brian|lfs | it definitly takes longer ofr 68.3 megs to load instad of 41 megs |
| 20:43.16 | Zorkman | haha, i read _on my freerunner_ that the iphone 3g will not whitstand rain |
| 20:43.26 | Zorkman | the FR probably also not, but who cares :) |
| 20:43.56 | Dave | I'm telling you, they should have made it a shower radio! |
| 20:44.03 | brian|lfs | the funny thing is the iphone has a better screen lol |
| 20:44.11 | Torikun | iphone has better everything |
| 20:44.12 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:44.19 | Dave | untrue |
| 20:44.19 | brian|lfs | ya lol |
| 20:44.24 | Dave | it's contacts sucks |
| 20:44.28 | Dave | then again, it doesn't segfault :P |
| 20:44.28 | brian|lfs | I'm wonder why I boughrt a freerunner |
| 20:44.30 | Torikun | i got tmobile |
| 20:44.32 | Torikun | no iphone for me |
| 20:44.33 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:44.38 | Infoport | cga: yes, but then you have to bootup with the boot menu and not just let it automatically boot (or it will be the 2007.2 you have in NAND) |
| 20:44.40 | Dave | brian, as a shower radio? |
| 20:45.03 | brian|lfs | I understnad there is going to be bugs |
| 20:45.15 | brian|lfs | but I shouldn't have to write scripts and shit for GPrS lol |
| 20:45.25 | cga | Infoport, yes i knew =) i need to boot NOR and then use the bootloader menu |
| 20:45.34 | Zorkman | i hava had a lot of "Enlightenment SEGV'd" you too dave? |
| 20:45.36 | Dave | yeah |
| 20:45.39 | Dave | :D |
| 20:45.47 | Dave | and don't forget PANICs :D |
| 20:45.54 | Dave | I think it'd scared of me... :\ |
| 20:46.10 | brian|lfs | will my image is 3/4 loaded |
| 20:46.13 | brian|lfs | ahs faield yet |
| 20:46.53 | brian|lfs | wow my keyboard sucks |
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| 20:46.57 | Dave | lpotter what is presently in the qpkg repo? :) |
| 20:47.19 | Torikun | nothing! |
| 20:47.21 | cga | Infoport, anyway i was asking you about it to understand if it gave you troubles even if you didn't touch the NAND |
| 20:47.23 | Torikun | soome snake game |
| 20:47.44 | Dave | o.O |
| 20:47.45 | Infoport | cga: actually, you can boot from the NAND bootmenu, you just choose that it boot from SD instead of NAND. When I got to the bootloader step, mine had a "Boot from Micr0SD (FAT+ext2)" option, but I am trying ext2+ext2 |
| 20:47.48 | Dave | snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakes! |
| 20:48.02 | Dave | I'm tired of these motherfucking bugs on my motherfucking freerunner... |
| 20:48.07 | Dave | ... that, and stupid qt snakes! |
| 20:48.08 | Torikun | lmfao |
| 20:48.12 | Torikun | ok sam jacksonl |
| 20:48.13 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:48.15 | Dave | :D |
| 20:48.17 | donomo | lol |
| 20:48.20 | Torikun | Neo SLOWrunner |
| 20:48.23 | Dave | huhu |
| 20:48.24 | Torikun | lmfao |
| 20:48.26 | mmontour | Infoport/cga - it is possible to boot from SD-card by default. Just put the SD-booting commands into the "bootcmd" (IIRC) env variable instead of "menu_X". If you do this you will also want to create a "NAND boot" menu entry |
| 20:48.31 | Dave | too bad it's not a ho runner ;) |
| 20:48.36 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:48.45 | Torikun | Neo can not use this phone in the Matrix |
| 20:48.53 | Dave | that little bad black box be gettin' you mad bitches :p |
| 20:48.59 | Dave | haha |
| 20:49.01 | Torikun | I must of flashed this like 100 times already |
| 20:49.05 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:49.07 | Dave | hot |
| 20:49.13 | Dave | it's like you're a user |
| 20:49.18 | Dave | and you need a FIX |
| 20:49.24 | Infoport | mmontour/cga: true, but I wasnt ready to make this "new" image the defaulkt until I play with it more (and maybe some fixes/upgrades get pushed) |
| 20:49.25 | Dave | ;P |
| 20:49.31 | Torikun | Welcome to Linux:Be prepared to spend houses just like your desktop |
| 20:49.46 | Dave | Yeah :D |
| 20:49.46 | brian|lfs | ok my phone is booting |
| 20:49.51 | brian|lfs | with the new image |
| 20:49.56 | Dave | be glad it doesn't come with a mortgage :) |
| 20:50.01 | Torikun | the price almost did |
| 20:50.02 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:50.06 | Torikun | felt like a payment |
| 20:50.06 | Dave | true true ;) |
| 20:50.09 | Dave | :P |
| 20:50.19 | Dave | and a piece of your sanity went with it! |
| 20:50.21 | cga | mmaestri, fantastic =) |
| 20:50.21 | cga | mmontour, so i can create multiple lines for sd booting in nand like for example grub with no splash? |
| 20:50.23 | Torikun | anyone in san francisco |
| 20:51.36 | Dave | Who ISN'T!? :D |
| 20:51.37 | brian|lfs | stuck at 59 percent |
| 20:51.45 | brian|lfs | oh going now |
| 20:51.47 | mmontour | cga: not sure exactly what you're asking. You can create several different "menu_X" lines to do whatever you want, plus there's the "bootcmd" one that is executed if you don't go through the menu |
| 20:51.47 | TankC | I was in Berkeley last week |
| 20:51.59 | Dave | WE should TOTALLY have a party at lint's place! |
| 20:52.00 | Torikun | Cool |
| 20:52.00 | cga | Infoport, that for you as well (read above and sorry for not including your nick) |
| 20:52.02 | Torikun | ok |
| 20:52.03 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:52.08 | Dave | :D |
| 20:52.13 | Dave | You bring the beer |
| 20:52.16 | Dave | I'll bring the bitches |
| 20:52.24 | Dave | oh, and someone bring the freerunners? |
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| 20:52.34 | Dave | I hear they help you get teh women... |
| 20:52.37 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:52.45 | Dave | (just hope they come as actually advertized...) |
| 20:52.47 | Dave | ;) ;) ;) |
| 20:52.52 | mmontour | cga: the best way is to do a "printenv" and then spend some time figuring out what all of the environment variables are for. u-boot has a "help" command to explain what each of the commands is for |
| 20:52.58 | Tanuva | Oh. That was NOT 2008.8 what I saw a few hours ago, it was just the daily build of the qtopia-x11 stack >.< |
| 20:53.10 | Dave | Tanuva SURPRISE! |
| 20:53.19 | Infoport | mmontour: is the uImage.bin assumed if you don't spell it out? and you spell it out for multiple kernel image (for multi-OS) ? |
| 20:53.22 | cga | mmontour, cool thanks. i think i need to read the wiki about the bootloader and understand myself |
| 20:53.28 | Tanuva | Dave: *g* |
| 20:53.33 | Dave | :[ |
| 20:53.38 | Dave | pats Tanuva |
| 20:53.41 | xhr17 | ... |
| 20:53.46 | Tanuva | Dave: just skimming through the mailing list from today and saw the announcement :D |
| 20:53.48 | xhr17 | Daves not here, man. |
| 20:53.48 | Dave | xhr: ellipsis. |
| 20:53.52 | Dave | uggh |
| 20:53.55 | Dave | -_- |
| 20:53.58 | xhr17 | :P |
| 20:54.00 | Dave | Tanuva :D |
| 20:54.32 | Dave | Does ANYONE here use the gtk image!? |
| 20:54.40 | Tanuva | remembers looking for new mail after wacken. 700 unread ones. >.< |
| 20:54.47 | brian|lfs | wtf the thign went into suspsend and wouldn't come up lol |
| 20:54.54 | Dave | :D |
| 20:55.17 | Dave | apt summon speedevil |
| 20:55.17 | apt | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing speedevil's coordinates |
| 20:55.20 | Zorkman | is there a way to get control over the "administrative lock" withouth rebooting the phone? |
| 20:55.35 | Dave | :) |
| 20:55.41 | Dave | admnistrative lock? sounds kinky... |
| 20:55.41 | Infoport | brian|lfs: that on the 2008.8? I just had the same problem...ended in a kernel panic...something about not being able to sync VFS |
| 20:55.46 | Dave | ... like tentacle rape :p |
| 20:56.02 | brian|lfs | I pulled my battery |
| 20:56.05 | brian|lfs | and am rebooting |
| 20:56.07 | Dave | yeah :| |
| 20:56.11 | brian|lfs | didn't see a kernel panic |
| 20:56.13 | SpeedEvil | Dave: what? |
| 20:56.14 | Dave | ieatlint: tentacool... |
| 20:56.14 | mmontour | Infoport: you have to specify the filename in the ext2load/fatload command - there is no default. Some configs use an extra environment variable like ${sd_image_name} but this is not necessary. |
| 20:56.35 | Dave | Speedevil, recommendation on best way to fully discharge one of the gta02 batteries, quickly and non-haphazardly :) |
| 20:56.45 | mmontour | The preferred multi-OS configuration would be to have each OS (including its kernel) on a different partition, and in this case you could use the same "uImage.bin" name for each one. |
| 20:57.03 | SpeedEvil | Dave: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OsBc8RqSKU |
| 20:57.11 | brian|lfs | phone turned off again |
| 20:57.15 | brian|lfs | before it finshed booting |
| 20:57.16 | Dave | No youtoube please. |
| 20:57.16 | brian|lfs | wtf |
| 20:57.23 | *** part/#openmoko brian_252 (n=brian@fwcorp.noblis.org) |
| 20:57.27 | Infoport | mmontour: that's what I meant to ask...is that variable what I replace with uImage-special-version.bin? |
| 20:57.49 | Dave | brian, what are you doing to it, to make it go into hiding!? |
| 20:57.49 | brian|lfs | oh suspend worked that time |
| 20:58.19 | Dave | speedevil, and other information you could provide on this matter would be appreciated. :] |
| 20:58.21 | mmontour | Infoport: just put the name directly into the command line, e.g. "ext2load mmc 1:3 0x32000000 /boot/uImage-debug.bin" |
| 20:58.34 | SpeedEvil | Dave: why can't you youtube? |
| 20:58.40 | Dave | Fuck flash! |
| 20:58.44 | Dave | No thanks. |
| 20:58.45 | cga | mmaestri, Infoport please keep me in the discussion if you can =) |
| 20:58.56 | Dave | Other than that, nothing :) |
| 20:59.25 | cga | * mmontour, |
| 20:59.35 | Zorkman | i've got the answer for my own question: killall packagekitd |
| 20:59.51 | brian|lfs | how do I get gsm on it don't seem to be on |
| 20:59.52 | Dave | zorkman, oooh! |
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| 20:59.59 | Dave | is that what it was? :) |
| 21:00.09 | Zorkman | i just didn't want to reboot... |
| 21:00.30 | Dave | hehe ;) |
| 21:00.34 | Dave | we never do |
| 21:00.35 | Zorkman | i don't know what will wear out first: the flash from the reflashing or the buttons from rebooting |
| 21:00.43 | Dave | with a 3-3.5minute boot time :P |
| 21:00.50 | Dave | haha |
| 21:01.04 | Dave | I'm pretty sure the first thing to go will undoubtedly be your patience :) |
| 21:01.14 | Dave | wow |
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| 21:01.33 | Dave | So I'm guessing that five pages of FATAL: module not found from opkg is a bad thing... |
| 21:01.52 | roh | Zorkman the buttons ;) |
| 21:01.57 | Dave | Man, why does software like me so? ;) |
| 21:02.00 | Torikun | how can you tell if your swap is on? |
| 21:02.03 | Dave | roh, your sanity! |
| 21:02.03 | brian|lfs | nevermidn jsut took a while to register on gsm |
| 21:02.11 | Dave | It will be the first to go :) |
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| 21:02.19 | Zorkman | roh: you're an openmoko employee? |
| 21:02.27 | Dave | haha employee? |
| 21:02.29 | Zorkman | (just curious) |
| 21:02.29 | roh | Dave who said one needs to be? |
| 21:02.33 | Dave | What a euphemism. |
| 21:02.38 | Dave | Roh ;) |
| 21:02.55 | Dave | He is an indentured servant ;) |
| 21:03.05 | roh | Zorkman i am working for the project and get paid, so depending on the pov one could say that |
| 21:03.22 | Dave | more like mad programmer |
| 21:03.29 | Torikun | how can you tell if your swap is being used? |
| 21:03.30 | brian|lfs | they could of fixed the wifi before release |
| 21:03.31 | Dave | eyes roh's white coat |
| 21:03.33 | mmontour | Torikun: "cat /proc/swaps" or "free" will show this |
| 21:03.36 | brian|lfs | thats always helpful lol |
| 21:04.48 | Infoport | cga: sorry, didnt mean to leave you out. pretty much mmontour confirms we can do it like grub, just gotta specify the image name in each Menu_ line. I was trying to stop giving advice right then b/c I haven't tried that myself yet...havent gotten my new image working quiet yet it seems (thinking it may be b/c of the automount of the SD partitions...mentioned in the wiki page) Like I said, I'm only a few steps ahead of you-- mmo |
| 21:04.49 | Infoport | ntour seems to have the headstart! |
| 21:05.27 | Dave | OH |
| 21:05.29 | Dave | Mmontour |
| 21:05.41 | Dave | I have a hilarious and somewhat scary power bug to add to the hw mailing list :) |
| 21:05.41 | mmontour | has been using the same rootfs-on-SD (with opkg updates) since last December |
| 21:06.50 | tdobson | ok. question. where can i get a *om2007.2* image from |
| 21:07.01 | Dave | Speedevil, so I'm at work the other day, in an office, typing away on the desktop and letting my freerunner sit next to me, charging (plugged into the same power strip as the computer + monitor). While working, the CRT frequently *zapped* and flickered funkily, as if being surged. |
| 21:07.11 | Dave | More curiously is how it kept waking the fr up when it happened |
| 21:07.23 | mmontour | Dave: sounds like GSM interference |
| 21:07.24 | Dave | out of sleep |
| 21:07.34 | Dave | yeah, but what the fuck? |
| 21:08.02 | Dave | it's a tiny device, how could it be causing such ominous of an issue? :) |
| 21:08.13 | Dave | I mean, it's draw is rather small, comparatively. |
| 21:08.22 | cga | Infoport, mmontour so just to make sure: 1 partition with (per say) 3 kernels (one for each os) named $whatever and 3 partitions one for each os and then adjust the bootloader with Menu_kernel{1,2,3} booting from SD but giving me a choice at boot. and an entry to boot from NAND? right? |
| 21:08.25 | Dave | I guess that's what primarily confused and/or interested me. |
| 21:08.30 | mmontour | The GSM will wake up on certain events (not sure of the details - switching to a different tower or something), and GSM radios are known for interfering with nearby electronics |
| 21:09.22 | cga | Infoport, mmontour errata corrige: 3 partitions for 3 rootfs |
| 21:09.43 | Dave | mmontour :( |
| 21:10.02 | Dave | mmontour I suspect it was more than that, however :( |
| 21:10.05 | mmontour | cga: 3 partitions in total, each with a kernel and a rootfs (having the kernel on its own partition was a workaround for a u-boot bug that's now fixed) |
| 21:10.11 | brian|lfs | you still here si-ni |
| 21:10.18 | cga | mmontour, cool |
| 21:10.20 | Dave | In other news, how do I unbrick my qtopia? |
| 21:10.21 | Dave | :p |
| 21:10.51 | Zorkman | i'd hit it |
| 21:11.12 | cga | Infoport, mmontour thanks alot for discussing this with me, it cleared my mind and now i can start =) |
| 21:11.15 | Dave | hah |
| 21:11.18 | Dave | BLEND IT!? :D |
| 21:11.53 | CVirus | will it blend ? |
| 21:11.53 | Infoport | mmontour, cga: I may re-partition then if it doesn't need that kernel-partition. good to know! |
| 21:11.54 | Zorkman | wait till i have my invisbleshield, then it will be unblendable! :) |
| 21:12.04 | Dave | haha |
| 21:12.06 | *** part/#openmoko mike--2 (n=mceresin@1016.dca.net) |
| 21:12.10 | Dave | cloaking device, activate! |
| 21:12.24 | undrwater | what other device might dfu-util list? the OM is not the only one on my machine! |
| 21:12.28 | Dave | that reminds me, speedevil, do you have your phone hooked up to an external display? :) |
| 21:12.43 | Dave | undrwater: haha |
| 21:12.46 | Dave | sneaky :p |
| 21:13.09 | Zorkman | maybe your freerunner is pregnant? |
| 21:13.12 | undrwater | Dave: truly |
| 21:13.36 | Dave | BABIES! |
| 21:13.40 | Dave | aww how cute :) |
| 21:13.41 | undrwater | Zorkman: no...maybe it made babies in my pc...cause the other device is listed before i plug in |
| 21:14.22 | qhartman | undrwater: probably a usb bluetooth device |
| 21:14.32 | undrwater | qhartman: that would make sense! |
| 21:14.43 | qhartman | undrwater: I have one in my laptop that shows up in dfu-util as well |
| 21:14.44 | tdobson | guys. is there *anywhere* where one can still get a freerunner 2007.2 image? |
| 21:14.49 | undrwater | but i like the idea of babies better |
| 21:15.11 | brian|lfs | doe sanyone know if AT&T uses PAP or chap? |
| 21:15.25 | Zorkman | undrwater that must be because you are in Los Angeles, a lot of FBI there |
| 21:15.30 | mmontour | Infoport: make sure that you have a new u-boot, and that you always boot from NAND when you're sd-booting (as the NOR version of u-boot will still have the bug) |
| 21:16.15 | mjr | would be surprised if AT&T bothered their users with either pap or chap; at least the finnish providers don't, since well, if you' |
| 21:16.17 | undrwater | Zorkman: attaching devices to my machine? (couldn't make the connection between FBI and babies) |
| 21:16.25 | mjr | re on the network, you're already authenticated |
| 21:16.33 | Zorkman | they even hired the pixies to do a song to tip other agents about you (an undrwater guy who controlled the sea) |
| 21:16.41 | Dave | intruders! |
| 21:17.00 | Zorkman | no, it's a secret plan of them to make bionical machines, can't you see? |
| 21:17.06 | Dave | :O |
| 21:17.09 | Dave | scary :x |
| 21:17.27 | undrwater | OpenMoko is a governmental conspiracy coorp? |
| 21:17.56 | Zorkman | sure, FIC is a three letter word, ever three letter word has something to do with an agency, FBI, KGB, CIA, MI6... you name it |
| 21:18.03 | Infoport | mmontour: I flashed a newer uBoot a few days ago (reports Aug 5 2008 at top of screen) Did you put the mmcblk into into a blacklist (like in the Wiki under Appendix on Boot_fron_SD) |
| 21:18.33 | tdobson | ok *is* it possible to get 2007.2 back? |
| 21:18.44 | Zorkman | of course, flash your device |
| 21:18.53 | undrwater | hitchhikes on Infoport's conversation |
| 21:18.54 | Zorkman | but don't come whining when the fed's bust your ass |
| 21:18.58 | mmontour | undrwater: probably a USB-attached bluetooth adapter. Use "-d" to specify the FR's vendor:product ID to dfu-util (it's something:5119) |
| 21:18.59 | xhr17 | ok, time to go home... |
| 21:19.14 | McKael | Is there a limit on the number of partitions u-boot can read? |
| 21:19.30 | undrwater | mmontour: yeah...i figured out the -d switch...just curious what else dfu-util might recognize |
| 21:19.32 | McKael | I can see parts 1 and 2, but not the 3rd |
| 21:19.49 | tdobson | Zorkman: where do you propose getting the iamges from? |
| 21:20.13 | tdobson | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ # contains 2008 only |
| 21:20.25 | Zorkman | tdobson: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/ |
| 21:20.29 | Dave | ^_^ |
| 21:20.34 | Zorkman | 2008 is the date tdobson |
| 21:20.35 | Dave | is it really worth it, zorkman? :P |
| 21:20.43 | Dave | watchout, it could be a trap! |
| 21:20.50 | Zorkman | tdobson: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080808-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 is 2007.2 immage |
| 21:20.51 | tdobson | Zorkman: yes but i want to reflash om2007.2 |
| 21:20.55 | tdobson | i am using 2008.8 |
| 21:21.10 | Infoport | tdobson: here is 2007.11 (November update of orig OS) http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/ |
| 21:21.10 | Dave | heehee |
| 21:21.10 | tdobson | what? |
| 21:21.12 | tdobson | really? |
| 21:21.15 | Dave | is it really that drastically different? ;) |
| 21:21.16 | Zorkman | tdobson: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080808-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 is 2007.2, believe me, i'm on your side |
| 21:21.41 | tdobson | Zorkman: well i can't be more fucked than iam with 2008 so i'll believe you :P |
| 21:21.47 | jadams_ | Chox, I got debian up on it |
| 21:21.59 | Zorkman | if it says openmoko-devel-image it's 2007.2, if it says openmoko-qopia-x11 it's some kind of monster (not 2008.8, but something of a leper) |
| 21:22.06 | Infoport | tdobson: Zorkman is right...that would be the DAILY build of 2007.2 |
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| 21:22.21 | undrwater | played with the leper |
| 21:22.24 | Torikun | Anyone enable swap on their phone |
| 21:22.32 | Torikun | I did not notice a performance increase |
| 21:22.48 | tdobson | Torikun: i have done in the past and yes i noticed the same thing |
| 21:22.51 | undrwater | Torikun: where'd you put a swap? and file or partition? |
| 21:22.56 | Zorkman | no, but withouth swap it's a like running in a swamp.. so can't be worse |
| 21:22.57 | Torikun | microSD |
| 21:23.20 | Torikun | the 500MB card that came with it |
| 21:23.22 | Zorkman | heard someone got performance increase, eventhough it seemed the extra swap was not being used |
| 21:23.24 | Tanuva | yay. I just crashed 2008.8 by switching profiles. |
| 21:23.33 | Torikun | my swap is not being used |
| 21:23.41 | ssweeny | doesn't think swap on a sd card would buy you much |
| 21:23.45 | undrwater | Torikun: file or partition? |
| 21:23.54 | Torikun | cat /etc/swaps |
| 21:23.57 | Torikun | *.proc/swaps |
| 21:24.03 | Torikun | that file shows 0% |
| 21:24.10 | undrwater | free? |
| 21:24.22 | Torikun | 0% used |
| 21:24.40 | mmontour | McKael: I don't know the limits. I would expect it to work for up to 4 Primary partitions (don't know if u-boot supports logical/extended partitions). |
| 21:24.42 | Ko_deZ | what would be the proper way ton install new modules on the freerunner? Copy them using scp, or can one use dfu-util for that? |
| 21:24.53 | undrwater | wonders if swap on SD would just entail purchase of more SD cards |
| 21:25.23 | Zorkman | anyone tried screen rotation on 2008.8? still have a sort of offset bug... |
| 21:25.24 | *** join/#openmoko simon_ (n=simon@88.117.252.166) |
| 21:25.33 | undrwater | Ko_deZ: opkg install? or are you thinking of something else? |
| 21:25.37 | Dave | Does it? :| |
| 21:25.40 | ssweeny | how does one achieve screen rotation on 2008.8? |
| 21:25.51 | Ko_deZ | undrwater: I use the Qtopia build. |
| 21:25.51 | tdobson | was going to ask the same question |
| 21:25.52 | Dave | I know the previous version definitely still does :P |
| 21:25.55 | Torikun | how can I try and test ssweeny |
| 21:26.06 | tdobson | come to that, how do you achieve *anything* on 2008.8 |
| 21:26.09 | Ko_deZ | undrwater: I guess opkg is an option. I will investigate it. |
| 21:26.17 | *** part/#openmoko wurp2|working (n=wurp@65.111.180.216) |
| 21:26.22 | ssweeny | cannot achieve mounting the damn sd card on 2008.8 |
| 21:26.36 | Dave | haha, indeed. |
| 21:26.40 | Torikun | ssweeny: it is a different dev entrie mmblo something |
| 21:26.48 | undrwater | what i gather here: 2008.8 is a winner! |
| 21:26.50 | Dave | rut roh! |
| 21:26.55 | undrwater | oops...forgot an "e" |
| 21:26.59 | Torikun | undrwater: 200808 was supposed to blow our minds |
| 21:27.00 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:27.09 | Dave | [dfu-util] not at least 2 device changes found ?!? |
| 21:27.15 | Dave | [dfu-util] Lost device after RESET? |
| 21:27.21 | Dave | What? |
| 21:27.24 | undrwater | Torikun: still having fun? |
| 21:27.28 | Dave | Torikun, that it did, apparently! |
| 21:27.29 | Torikun | hell na |
| 21:27.30 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:27.37 | Dave | like WHOA MAN |
| 21:27.41 | Dave | this is heavy stuff :p |
| 21:27.45 | Torikun | It blew my mind the way married folks do not get blown |
| 21:27.50 | Zorkman | XorA: i still have an offset bug in 2008.8, just to let you know |
| 21:27.55 | Dave | :p |
| 21:27.57 | Tanuva | yay. 8.8 has hardcore suspend, just after the light goes out after boot it doesn't ever come back... |
| 21:27.57 | ssweeny | Torikun, i have nothing like that in /dev |
| 21:27.59 | tdobson | Torikun: it has psychodelic icons doesn't it... it's completely different to 2007.3... |
| 21:28.02 | Dave | psychologically |
| 21:28.17 | tdobson | "(22:27:47) Torikun: It blew my mind the way married folks do not get blown" # ROFL |
| 21:28.19 | Torikun | the icons look liked I have graphics issues |
| 21:28.31 | Dave | either that or lsd issues :p |
| 21:28.38 | tdobson | hehe |
| 21:28.42 | Dave | There should be a warning about that |
| 21:28.46 | Dave | It's not the LCD, it's the LSD! |
| 21:28.55 | McKael | mmontour: I was expecting that too, but it doesn't recognize the partition #3 |
| 21:28.59 | undrwater | i'm not a fan of the icons either...but that's relatively easy to change i imagine |
| 21:29.06 | mmaestri | have any of you tried pyneo? http://pyneo.org |
| 21:29.12 | Tanuva | undrwater: it definitely is. |
| 21:29.12 | Torikun | lol oh sure undrwater maybe about 5 re-flashes |
| 21:29.20 | Zorkman | Dave: if you know "flight of the conchords": david bowies lsd screen :) |
| 21:29.31 | Dave | gawd |
| 21:29.32 | Dave | :P |
| 21:29.35 | Zorkman | i like the icons |
| 21:29.43 | McKael | mmontour: #1 and #2 can be read correctly, all are ext3 |
| 21:29.52 | mmaestri | i'm flashing it right now, i've heard that it's like fso |
| 21:30.11 | Dave | It's like doing what now? |
| 21:30.15 | mmontour | McKael: I've had success with 3 partitions before. Maybe there's something about the format of your partition table that it doesn't like (don't have time right now to help with troubleshooting) |
| 21:30.30 | McKael | mmontour: ok |
| 21:30.35 | Torikun | Where is 20080809 lol |
| 21:30.38 | *** part/#openmoko Pyrasi (n=Pyrasi@254-135-155.csiweb.net) |
| 21:30.47 | McKael | mmontour: what was your sdcard size? could that be the issue? |
| 21:31.04 | McKael | (mine is a 8GB) |
| 21:31.17 | cga | is SanDisk 16GB SDHC supported? |
| 21:31.21 | cga | i want to buy one |
| 21:31.23 | Dave | YES |
| 21:31.26 | Dave | gogogo |
| 21:31.30 | cga | COOL!!! |
| 21:31.34 | mjr | cga, is it a _micro_SDHC? |
| 21:31.36 | Torikun | haha he will fail |
| 21:31.37 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:31.38 | Dave | Torikun, Get Tomorrow, Today!@ |
| 21:31.46 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:31.52 | Dave | openmoko's motto! |
| 21:32.01 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:32.02 | cga | mjr, i guess so. anyway i'll search for microSDHC |
| 21:32.02 | Dave | they just don't supply any subsequent information along those lines |
| 21:32.06 | Tanuva | If tomorrow's like today is, I don't want it. |
| 21:32.11 | Torikun | Openmoko Motto: DO nothing, today! Got jffs2? |
| 21:32.17 | Dave | (about the ensuing epic fail that accompanies it) :) |
| 21:32.26 | Dave | woo. |
| 21:32.49 | tdobson | openmoko's motto. if it works today, something is wrong. |
| 21:32.54 | undrwater | hrm...what i like best so far is the rotating asterisk that dissappears... |
| 21:32.54 | Torikun | lolol |
| 21:32.57 | ConfidentiaL | what command is used instead of "dir" in openmoko? |
| 21:33.06 | Dave | mmontour, does anyone else's bluetooth work yet!? |
| 21:33.06 | donomo | tdobson: lol |
| 21:33.12 | Torikun | OpenMoko: New features *cough* I mean bugs in todays release |
| 21:33.19 | Torikun | ls ConfidentiaL |
| 21:33.19 | Tanuva | ah. now I found out. It's the xserver f*ed up. |
| 21:33.33 | cga | ConfidentiaL, in *nix and therefore you can use dir but ls is better |
| 21:33.42 | cga | *therefore Openmoko |
| 21:33.51 | Tanuva | ConfidentiaL: dir is just linked to "ls -l" |
| 21:34.15 | ConfidentiaL | oh, ok, thanks :) |
| 21:34.26 | tdobson | oh they are new features all right... the sort of new features that bring hours of caffeine induced head aches and stuff. no-one bought a neo and didn't expect one did they? |
| 21:34.35 | cga | Tanuva, nope. |
| 21:34.36 | Tanuva | I'm beginning not to love 8.8... |
| 21:34.38 | Dave | Confidential! |
| 21:34.40 | cga | cga@braith:~$ ls -l /bin/dir |
| 21:34.40 | cga | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 92376 2008-04-04 08:42 /bin/dir |
| 21:34.48 | Tanuva | cga: nope? |
| 21:34.51 | Dave | Gives new meaning to the phrase... "Summer Love"... ~_~ |
| 21:34.51 | cga | read above |
| 21:34.54 | Dave | hides |
| 21:35.05 | Tanuva | cga: oh. then it was in suse a few years ago but isn't anymore :D |
| 21:35.09 | Torikun | should of paid to cancel Tmobile and buy iphone |
| 21:35.11 | cga | =) |
| 21:35.14 | ConfidentiaL | Dave: ? :P |
| 21:35.15 | tdobson | loves 8.8 just wishes it had all the functionality of 2007.2 I guess the people at SHR had the same idea! |
| 21:35.16 | mmontour | Dave: haven't heard of any successes with headset audio. Someone had A2DP audio sort-of working. In the past I have had PAND and DUND networking working. |
| 21:35.42 | Torikun | Why has their been no package updates yet! |
| 21:35.43 | Dave | yeah but no other headset audio successes? |
| 21:35.54 | mmontour | I haven't heard of any. |
| 21:35.59 | Dave | Torikun, clearly, things are too busy exploding. |
| 21:36.02 | Torikun | they have so much forum bug issues and no updates |
| 21:36.06 | Dave | Please try to remain calm. |
| 21:36.14 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:36.14 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:36.23 | cga`flashing`Neo | see you later |
| 21:36.29 | Torikun | TO fix that issue please type the following command....oh shit X just died |
| 21:36.33 | *** join/#openmoko igor321 (n=igor@77.237.114.81) |
| 21:36.35 | brian|lfs | would the user name be WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM and the password be CINGULAR1 I'm going by the table its a bit confusing |
| 21:37.08 | Dave | singulair |
| 21:37.18 | brian|lfs | huh |
| 21:37.21 | brian|lfs | thats the drug lol |
| 21:37.24 | Torikun | Neo Slow Runner: For those who don't need phone calls |
| 21:37.28 | Dave | yeah |
| 21:37.35 | Zorkman | :) |
| 21:37.35 | Dave | it may be required for prolonged freerunner usage |
| 21:37.36 | Dave | :P |
| 21:37.43 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:37.50 | Dave | I could see someone needing some... |
| 21:37.55 | brian|lfs | I'm being serious I'm trying to get GPRS to work |
| 21:38.06 | Dave | either from excessive yelling/screaming, getting overworked, or just dying of rofling. |
| 21:38.12 | Dave | Brian, oh :x |
| 21:38.13 | Torikun | the dam phone doe not even use swap! |
| 21:38.14 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:38.20 | tdobson | brian|lfs: no idea. sorry |
| 21:38.21 | Dave | I've actually had success in that department. |
| 21:38.25 | Dave | But I'm about to step out. |
| 21:38.26 | Torikun | But it can make a phone call in 100Clicks! |
| 21:38.28 | brian|lfs | I guess I could ping the server see if its valid |
| 21:38.46 | *** part/#openmoko igor321 (n=igor@77.237.114.81) |
| 21:38.46 | Dave | Torikun, and it doesn't ring the receiving phone for over a minute! |
| 21:38.47 | Dave | :D |
| 21:38.47 | Torikun | you choose to dial a contact, then you have to click on the number then dial after you click dial |
| 21:38.54 | Dave | Surprize callz! |
| 21:39.17 | Torikun | and Wifi is not even functional lol |
| 21:39.27 | spdr_ | does wifi work on om2008 ? |
| 21:39.32 | *** part/#openmoko undrwater (n=russell@pool-71-160-231-186.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 21:39.36 | Dave | works fine, just not in the latest version |
| 21:39.36 | Dave | :p |
| 21:39.37 | Torikun | spdr_: I was not able to connect to any access point |
| 21:39.39 | brian|lfs | ya cingulargprs.com gives me a reply |
| 21:39.39 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:39.41 | Dave | or sort of works |
| 21:39.47 | Torikun | Dave: It works on the version that you do not have |
| 21:39.48 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:39.50 | *** join/#openmoko undrwater (n=russell@pool-71-160-231-186.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 21:39.53 | cjb | brian|lfs: oh, do you have GPRS working on AT&T? |
| 21:39.54 | spdr_ | Torikun, even with no security ? |
| 21:39.55 | Dave | huzzah |
| 21:39.58 | Dave | sounds ike it |
| 21:40.01 | cjb | I haven;t been able to get it working, so a recipe would be good |
| 21:40.04 | Dave | cjb, yeah it works fine for me. |
| 21:40.04 | brian|lfs | not you woorking on making it work |
| 21:40.13 | brian|lfs | yet |
| 21:40.14 | Dave | it's just slow or unpredictable sometimes. |
| 21:40.15 | Torikun | In soviet Russia, FreeRunner runs you! |
| 21:40.16 | cjb | ooh. |
| 21:40.19 | brian|lfs | tryign to understand the wiki lol |
| 21:40.32 | Dave | Torikun, we wish! At least then, SOMETHING would be running! ;) |
| 21:40.36 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:40.47 | Dave | ;) |
| 21:40.54 | Torikun | kicks self, should of bought a iphone............ |
| 21:41.19 | Torikun | Dave: are you on the mailing list? its so busy now |
| 21:41.19 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:41.21 | Dave | Try to trade with someone :P |
| 21:41.25 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:41.26 | Dave | Torikun, perhaps. |
| 21:41.39 | Dave | I will neither confirm or deny that statement. |
| 21:41.42 | Dave | :p |
| 21:41.48 | Torikun | oh your phone not working |
| 21:41.49 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:42.01 | tdobson | Torikun: you can bet iphone uses don't have this much fun though :P |
| 21:42.05 | Torikun | true |
| 21:42.06 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:42.07 | Dave | what the hell is splash-write? |
| 21:42.16 | Torikun | tdobson: iphone users can make phone calls and surf the web lol |
| 21:42.19 | Zorkman | is there a way to add files to the qtopia mediaplayer? in 2008.8? |
| 21:42.30 | Torikun | Zorkman: I freaking hope so, what is the point then |
| 21:42.31 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:42.39 | Zorkman | i can't seem to find a way :)à |
| 21:42.39 | tdobson | Torikun: corrent me if I'm wrong, but I can do that on 2007.2 |
| 21:42.47 | Torikun | Qtopia Media Player: Press play and exit |
| 21:42.47 | Dave | speedevil, we have a problem :( |
| 21:42.55 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 21:42.57 | Torikun | maybe |
| 21:42.58 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:43.01 | Zorkman | Torikun: but i can on the otherhand "reset my shuffle" :d |
| 21:43.03 | undrwater | it's a wee bit faster |
| 21:43.10 | Torikun | lo |
| 21:43.11 | Dave | One of my phone appears to no longer be able to charge ANY battery past a certain point... |
| 21:43.19 | Dave | I've swapped out three now. |
| 21:43.20 | SpeedEvil | Dave: do you own a voltmeteR? |
| 21:43.21 | tdobson | dahaha |
| 21:43.26 | Torikun | dam gps stopped working |
| 21:43.26 | Dave | Several |
| 21:43.26 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:43.28 | Torikun | figures |
| 21:43.29 | tdobson | oops |
| 21:43.40 | Dave | Torikun, don't worry... THEY know where you are... >:) |
| 21:43.51 | Dave | (take some comfort in that?) |
| 21:43.52 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:43.52 | SpeedEvil | Dave: I haven't inspected GTA02 schematics. |
| 21:43.56 | Dave | :( |
| 21:43.57 | Zorkman | Torikun: if i press play nothing hapens, can't find a way to add the files |
| 21:43.57 | Torikun | they cancome here and fix this shit da |
| 21:43.58 | SpeedEvil | Dave: what's the terminal volts? |
| 21:44.04 | Dave | I will check them |
| 21:44.09 | cjb | SpeedEvil: Your colon is bold once more. |
| 21:44.16 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 21:44.28 | Dave | Should the battery be getting this hot, this quickly o.O |
| 21:44.29 | Tanuva | not for me... |
| 21:44.38 | Torikun | Dave: Ofcourse in this early stage |
| 21:44.38 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:44.49 | Dave | ducks for cover |
| 21:44.50 | SpeedEvil | cjb: it's on a different computer. |
| 21:44.53 | linuxxr | im thinking u have a bad batt |
| 21:45.00 | SpeedEvil | cjb: /me tries to remember how to fix that. |
| 21:45.08 | linuxxr | did u buy the spares kit? |
| 21:45.14 | Dave | cjb :'] |
| 21:45.18 | Torikun | calls wife on 20080808 |
| 21:45.26 | Torikun | and dial closed on me |
| 21:45.27 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:45.33 | Torikun | wtf |
| 21:45.34 | Dave | hopes she doesn't leave him. |
| 21:45.34 | linuxxr | tori can u hear her? |
| 21:45.46 | Torikun | trying again |
| 21:45.53 | Torikun | this is more of a venting chat room |
| 21:45.58 | Zorkman | lpotter: do you know how to add files to the qtopia mediaplayer? |
| 21:46.01 | Torikun | dial closed agin gsm is not working |
| 21:46.13 | linuxxr | i couldnt hear or be heard |
| 21:46.22 | Torikun | linuxxr: I made a lot of phone calls earlier |
| 21:46.29 | Torikun | worked good |
| 21:46.38 | linuxxr | maybe alsa? |
| 21:46.44 | Torikun | sure |
| 21:46.49 | lpotter | Zorkman: put them in ~/Documents or on the sd card |
| 21:46.57 | Torikun | when in doubt, reimage@!] |
| 21:47.09 | Zorkman | thanks, i could find it immediatly on the trolltech site |
| 21:47.23 | Torikun | lpotter: when is the next qtopia image coming out |
| 21:47.24 | tkep | where is resolv.conf in om2008?! |
| 21:47.28 | tkep | i finally got in |
| 21:47.36 | Torikun | tkep: you have toscp it from your usb pc |
| 21:47.44 | spdr_ | /etc |
| 21:47.49 | spdr_ | i suppose the sudden shutdowns are not for saving power, huh? |
| 21:47.50 | Zorkman | lpotter: i boot from sd card, where is that documents folder located? under /home/root? |
| 21:48.08 | tkep | so i have to touch resolv.conf |
| 21:48.34 | spdr_ | echo it |
| 21:48.44 | tkep | i'm good :) |
| 21:48.45 | Zorkman | lpotter: if i place my *.m3u in /home/root/Documents/ it doesn't see it |
| 21:48.51 | tkep | i just wanted to make sure it wasn't moved |
| 21:48.56 | tkep | odd there isn't a default file |
| 21:48.58 | tkep | but whatever |
| 21:49.03 | Torikun | Dave you can probably figure out why they made the case so strong and durable.......from us thowing it against the wall |
| 21:49.19 | Zorkman | is it strang and durable? :) |
| 21:49.22 | Zorkman | *strong |
| 21:49.24 | Torikun | looks like it Zorkman |
| 21:49.31 | spdr_ | is the installer ok on om2008? seems to take forever |
| 21:49.34 | Torikun | I think it can take a few kernel panic errors |
| 21:49.56 | Dave | >:) |
| 21:50.01 | Dave | Yeeeeeeeeth |
| 21:50.07 | Dave | Let the hate flow THROUGH you... >:) |
| 21:50.10 | Torikun | llol |
| 21:50.19 | Torikun | It flows so strong from my head to my phone |
| 21:50.20 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:50.23 | Torikun | and from the phone to the wall |
| 21:50.27 | Dave | bash |
| 21:50.36 | Torikun | they is why they incluided the bash shell |
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| 21:51.19 | Torikun | The year of the Linux Desktop will beat the year of the Linux phone |
| 21:51.24 | donomo | is anyone getting the white screen of death after unsleeping Om2008.8? |
| 21:51.42 | Zorkman | can anybody ply mp3 streams on the openmoko-mediaplayer? |
| 21:51.46 | Zorkman | or on the qtopia one? |
| 21:51.51 | Torikun | Zorkman: did you install the plugins |
| 21:51.54 | Torikun | for gstream |
| 21:51.57 | Zorkman | i can only do it with mplayer, but then i don't have a gui |
| 21:52.04 | Zorkman | no, i'll search opkg |
| 21:52.11 | Tanuva | and 8.8 crashed completely once again. returning to fso... |
| 21:52.19 | Torikun | i may go back to qtopia |
| 21:52.20 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:52.27 | Torikun | my 8 just crashed |
| 21:52.45 | donomo | Tanuva: im also returning to FSO, though i like the auto-sleep on 2008.8 |
| 21:52.47 | undrwater | Torikun: user error |
| 21:52.50 | undrwater | GIGO |
| 21:52.55 | Torikun | ha |
| 21:53.10 | Tanuva | who said 8.8 would be kind of "stable"? |
| 21:53.17 | Torikun | dam website |
| 21:53.28 | Tanuva | no, mailinglist |
| 21:53.50 | Tanuva | I know this is a developer phone and I see it like that - but one shouldn't promise things that aren't there... |
| 21:53.52 | undrwater | i don't care about that...i like the FSO concept...having some kind of "home screen" that makes the phone app easily accessible |
| 21:54.01 | undrwater | even 2007.2 had that |
| 21:54.02 | Zorkman | Torikun: it says gstreamer is up to date |
| 21:54.13 | Torikun | hmm |
| 21:54.16 | Zorkman | but 2007.2 says i need a plugin |
| 21:54.24 | undrwater | i hope some kind of zhone thing gets included |
| 21:54.29 | *** join/#openmoko fuzzyt (n=tim@70.59.221.233) |
| 21:54.33 | tdobson | is seeing lots of parallels between 2008.8 and kde4 |
| 21:54.43 | Tanuva | too |
| 21:55.08 | Zorkman | needs a text/uri-list decoder plugin for gstreamer |
| 21:55.20 | Torikun | we need major updates tonight for 20080808 |
| 21:55.23 | tdobson | radical, new, interesting, possibly released early, under appreciated, needing more features on .0 release... |
| 21:55.34 | Zorkman | anybody tried opkg upgrade on 2008.8? |
| 21:55.58 | undrwater | yep...nothing yet...but i haven't added celtune or angstrom yet |
| 21:56.17 | Zorkman | a lot of upgrades when you add celtune.. |
| 21:56.26 | spdr_ | "root 1907 0.0 0.4 2568 520 ? S 00:38 0:00 /usr/bin/app-restarter The qpe process vanished. This is bad.?This is not meant to happen an |
| 21:56.26 | spdr_ | " |
| 21:56.32 | spdr_ | anyone seen this ^ ? |
| 21:56.35 | Zorkman | jup |
| 21:57.02 | Zorkman | got it first when i had installed 2008.8 on the SD card with a tar.gz file kd8ikt made |
| 21:57.50 | undrwater | is phone still suspending in middle of convo? |
| 21:58.26 | Tanuva | did fsom2 resume successfully anywhere? |
| 21:58.51 | undrwater | oops...forgot to add terminal |
| 21:58.51 | tdobson | spdr_: what distro qtopia? |
| 21:58.55 | Tanuva | mine just starts to sleep and never wakes up again... :'( |
| 21:59.06 | spdr_ | tdobson, im now on om2008 |
| 21:59.15 | tdobson | oh right. same thing. |
| 21:59.26 | tdobson | erm. it's not meant to happen. |
| 21:59.39 | spdr_ | i can see that :) |
| 22:00.40 | spdr_ | the only system i got my wifi working was qtopia |
| 22:00.51 | spdr_ | and there is no browser for it ? :\ |
| 22:00.59 | Zorkman | 2007.2 wifi worked allright for me |
| 22:01.04 | undrwater | openmoko-browser2? |
| 22:01.14 | Zorkman | i like minimo |
| 22:01.30 | undrwater | i think minimo is in celtune |
| 22:01.38 | spdr_ | qtopia-4.3.2-080808-rootfs-08081019.jffs2 that is |
| 22:02.00 | Zorkman | minimo runs fine |
| 22:02.18 | undrwater | what's the other one?... |
| 22:02.19 | spdr_ | are you sure? |
| 22:02.30 | spdr_ | lets see .. |
| 22:02.45 | brian|lfs | ok the first set of usernames and passwords I tried don't work |
| 22:03.21 | *** join/#openmoko t_s_o (n=tso@227.84-49-129.nextgentel.com) |
| 22:04.16 | Zorkman | anybody got openmoko-eightball running on 2008.8. |
| 22:04.36 | brian|lfs | I can't get the installer to owrk even |
| 22:05.00 | spdr_ | is the led supposed to be constantly on ? |
| 22:05.19 | brian|lfs | that means its charging it will shut off mine did |
| 22:05.19 | trix | led is on when it's charging/connected i believe |
| 22:05.36 | spdr_ | ah, thanks |
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| 22:10.38 | undrwater | what's the other browser's name? no minimo...the one with the chick's name |
| 22:10.39 | spdr_ | how do i turn off the auto word completing ? :\ |
| 22:10.49 | spdr_ | undrwater, midori ? |
| 22:10.52 | undrwater | spdr_: qtopia? |
| 22:10.57 | spdr_ | om2008 |
| 22:10.57 | undrwater | spdr_: yes!, thanks! |
| 22:11.01 | undrwater | green! |
| 22:11.10 | undrwater | spdr_: hold down a letter to keep it |
| 22:11.31 | undrwater | should see a magnifying glass thingy |
| 22:12.06 | undrwater | is there a more updated calendar than dates2? |
| 22:12.06 | spdr_ | cool, thanks |
| 22:12.41 | cga`flashing`Neo | to use dfu-util should i boot in NAND or NOR ? thanks |
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| 22:12.57 | cga`flashing`Neo | two entries on the wiki says different things |
| 22:13.07 | spdr_ | NAND |
| 22:13.23 | cga`flashing`Neo | thanks |
| 22:14.03 | Tanuva | I always do it from NOR... |
| 22:14.17 | ConfidentiaL | me2, from NOR |
| 22:14.32 | spdr_ | oh my bad hah |
| 22:14.34 | Tanuva | oh. btw, atm I'm not. |
| 22:14.35 | spdr_ | nor it is |
| 22:14.39 | Tanuva | but usually I do |
| 22:15.36 | cga`flashing`Neo | arg |
| 22:15.43 | cga`flashing`Neo | so nor |
| 22:15.52 | cga`flashing`Neo | i correct the wiki then |
| 22:15.53 | mmontour | right now it shouldn't matter. NAND is probably a better long-term choice, as there may be bugfixes affecting DFU-util that will only get applied to the NAND u-boot |
| 22:15.55 | Tanuva | I think this isn't too relevant since it works from both |
| 22:15.56 | cga`flashing`Neo | it's confusing |
| 22:16.28 | spdr_ | i wish wifi would work ;0 |
| 22:16.32 | cga`flashing`Neo | mmontour, i trust you. one more time: NAND? |
| 22:16.39 | Tanuva | wonders if fsom2 will get up to the xserver this time |
| 22:16.45 | cga`flashing`Neo | then the wiki should be corrected |
| 22:17.09 | spdr_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Using_dfu-util ---> say NOR |
| 22:17.10 | mmontour | That's IMHO - it's not a right/wrong issue |
| 22:17.12 | spdr_ | says* |
| 22:17.55 | cga`flashing`Neo | spdr_, other pages i'm reading say some NOR some NAND |
| 22:18.11 | cga`flashing`Neo | pages on dfu-utils btw |
| 22:18.56 | mmontour | My advice is to use NAND for everything, and to only use NOR if you accidentally 'brick' your NAND. |
| 22:19.09 | cga`flashing`Neo | mmontour, ok |
| 22:19.42 | mmontour | I wouldn't change the wiki yet. If I have time later I might start a discussion thread on one of the MLs to see if we can get a consensus on the best NAND vs. NOR policy |
| 22:19.53 | spdr_ | does GPS still have issues getting a fix with the SD card ? does it even work on Om2008? |
| 22:20.03 | lindi- | mmontour: isn't the only way to write to NOR to use a debug board? |
| 22:20.12 | mmontour | that's right |
| 22:20.53 | cga`flashing`Neo | mmontour, ok i won't touch it |
| 22:21.42 | spdr_ | GPS on Om2008, anybody ? |
| 22:21.50 | lindi- | can anybody recommend me the easiest setup to debug programs on openmoko? gdbserver looks promising (i have used gdb extensively) |
| 22:21.50 | Zorkman | i have it running |
| 22:22.06 | Zorkman | spdr_: agpsui, tangogps, diversity and orrery all can use the gps fine |
| 22:22.40 | spdr_ | cant get a fix, atleast not on diversity .. ill try tango |
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| 22:22.58 | Tanuva | lindi-: you could use gdb directly on the neo... |
| 22:23.00 | Maybelline | Are there any apps available for FSO? |
| 22:23.10 | Centaur5 | Zorkman: You have tangogps working on 2008.8? |
| 22:23.14 | Zorkman | spdr_: agpsui is the best to test; you can see if you get the time, and how many sattelites and with what strength |
| 22:23.16 | Ko_deZ | spdr_: agpsui could be a good start. Try without the SD card first. |
| 22:23.35 | Zorkman | spdr_: you need to install gpsd and modifie a file for tangogps |
| 22:24.19 | lindi- | Tanuva: but then i'd need the source code, debugging symbols and emacs there? |
| 22:24.36 | Tanuva | lindi-: emacs not nessecarily, but the rest would be useful, yes |
| 22:24.51 | spdr_ | thanks all, ill pretty much follow the wiki |
| 22:24.52 | lindi- | Tanuva: emacs is requirement, sorry :) |
| 22:25.22 | lindi- | Tanuva: can't debug without emacs' gud (grand unified debugger) :P |
| 22:25.50 | Tanuva | *g* |
| 22:26.06 | Tanuva | maybe I should try that, too. just used raw gdb yet which is quite tiring |
| 22:26.43 | Centaur5 | Zorkman: Do you have a url of a howto on getting tangogps to work on 2008? |
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| 22:27.38 | Zorkman | Centaur5: just do opkg update, then opkg install tangogps, then opkg install gpsd and then edit /etc/default/gpsd, change GPS_DEV="/dev/ttyS3" to GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1" |
| 22:28.16 | Centaur5 | Zorkman: Man, I didn't find anything about that on google. Thanks, I've been dying to have tango back ever since I installed ASU. |
| 22:28.42 | Tanuva | Zorkman: OMFG! I always linked /etc/default/gpsd -> /dev/ttySAC1, no wonder gpsd won't accept that symlink as gps device!! =O |
| 22:28.45 | spdr_ | "* Could not obtain administrative lock" while installer is closed, bug ? |
| 22:28.50 | Zorkman | np |
| 22:29.12 | lindi- | Tanuva: you need to know gdb well of course, gud is only there to help you after that |
| 22:29.18 | Zorkman | yes spdr_, do "killall packagekitd" |
| 22:29.33 | Zorkman | then it will work again |
| 22:29.44 | Zorkman | (got that info from a bugreport) |
| 22:29.56 | lindi- | spdr_: already reported bug |
| 22:30.16 | spdr_ | k, thanks |
| 22:30.24 | spdr_ | was trying to kill opkg o0 |
| 22:30.40 | undrwater | spdr_: kill packagekitd or something like that |
| 22:31.04 | undrwater | oops...didn't see Zorkman |
| 22:31.16 | Zorkman | np i'm rather small |
| 22:31.59 | undrwater | more like forrest for the trees kind of thing |
| 22:33.10 | undrwater | has anyone compiled gspca? |
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| 22:33.51 | lindi- | oddly enough debian hasn't |
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| 22:34.21 | undrwater | if i get bitbake up, is that a tough thing to do? |
| 22:34.22 | xhrit | ... |
| 22:34.24 | xhrit | lol |
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| 22:35.23 | Tanuva | starts getting frustrated -> watching collateral... |
| 22:35.27 | matholio | Does anyone know how to change the suspend time in 200808 ? |
| 22:35.52 | lindi- | undrwater: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/build.txt worked for 2007.02 two days ago |
| 22:36.00 | Zorkman | yeah, use the dropdown menu and selct the spanner |
| 22:36.15 | lindi- | undrwater: but ASU did not compile |
| 22:36.18 | Zorkman | you will find it under "power" |
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| 22:37.08 | undrwater | lindi-: thanks... |
| 22:37.30 | matholio | thing has died. won;t come out of suspend. :( |
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| 22:38.23 | matholio | <sigh> if I had a dollar every time I took the battery out to reboot.... |
| 22:39.16 | matholio | weirdest thing, I switched on this morning and was able to ssh via wifi. nice. |
| 22:39.28 | matholio | also I had a full keyboard, not he predictive one. |
| 22:39.46 | Zorkman | matholio: if you can still ssh in, it's easier to type "reboot" in the terminal |
| 22:39.58 | xhrit | where is the media player for FSO? |
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| 22:41.10 | xmpp | i think a media player is a little too much to ask for the openmoko right now |
| 22:41.25 | Zorkman | there are at least three mediaplayers which you can install... |
| 22:41.26 | matholio | Zorkman: no, suspend stops comms it seems. |
| 22:41.50 | Zorkman | matholio: yes you are right, didn't read it was because of suspend |
| 22:42.18 | Zorkman | which image are you running? 2008.8, asu, 2007.2, fso, they all got out of suspend on my phone |
| 22:42.28 | matholio | Suspend after 60 second is the longest. pfft. |
| 22:42.36 | matholio | no dim then suspend either. |
| 22:43.03 | spdr_ | 10/10 fail on agpsui :\ |
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| 22:44.55 | xhrit | Zorkman: i had 2 on 2007.2 |
| 22:45.05 | spdr_ | how can there be no sats? :| |
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| 22:46.57 | xhrit | netsplit? |
| 22:46.58 | Tig| | looks like it |
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| 22:47.15 | Tig| | or something good came on tb |
| 22:47.18 | Tig| | tv even |
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| 22:47.48 | spdr_ | heh |
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| 22:48.42 | cga`flashing`Neo | mmontour, i thouht a little bit about NOR vs NAND and i think that NOR is safer since it doesn't allow you to flash it. in NAND if i make a mistake i f*ck up the whole system i have there. right? |
| 22:48.58 | cga`flashing`Neo | i think i'm going for NOR then |
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| 22:49.14 | Zorkman | welcome back :) |
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| 22:49.27 | mmontour | cga`flashing`Neo: whether you booted from NAND or NOR, you're writing to partitions on NAND when you use dfu-util. |
| 22:49.32 | Zorkman | cga`flashing`Neo WTF??? |
| 22:49.43 | cga`flashing`Neo | ohps =) |
| 22:49.47 | Zorkman | you can not touch NOR unless you have a debugboard |
| 22:49.56 | Zorkman | that way you cannot brick your neo |
| 22:49.59 | cga`flashing`Neo | that's what i'm saying |
| 22:50.27 | Zorkman | sorry, thought you were saying you were going to flash NOR |
| 22:50.32 | cga`flashing`Neo | eh np =) |
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| 22:52.04 | Tig| | ok there will be a fair few people on here who have flashed to the 2008.8 image, as I have a stablish FSO milestone2 image install working is it worth flashing or should I wait for OM2008.8.1 ? what are people seeing on their phones? |
| 22:52.04 | brian|lfs | how could it be so tuff to connect to gprs |
| 22:52.06 | cga`flashing`Neo | mmontour, i'm going to use dfu-utils just to backup 2007.02 and use the method we talk about before to put other OSes in the microSD |
| 22:52.20 | brian|lfs | it isn't olike I'm tryign to hack the phoen network I pay for data its a bunch of bull shit |
| 22:52.45 | brian|lfs | the table lies the things on the table don't work for AT&T |
| 22:53.24 | Tig| | brian|lfs: which table? |
| 22:53.25 | xhrit | can i install 2007 packages on FSO? |
| 22:53.27 | Tig| | on the wiki? |
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| 22:53.31 | brian|lfs | ya |
| 22:53.34 | brian|lfs | on the wiki |
| 22:53.58 | brian|lfs | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS |
| 22:54.19 | Zorkman | Tig|: if you have an sd card; go for dualboot, that way you can test it yourself and don't loose your FSO |
| 22:54.26 | brian|lfs | I'm not really sure if the issue is the user name or password it jsut says faild to connect |
| 22:55.34 | brian|lfs | even with dbug it don't tell me if its an invald user or password or sever or phone number it just says failed to connect |
| 22:55.46 | Zorkman | i'm gonna hit the sack, goodnight everybody |
| 22:55.55 | brian|lfs | good night |
| 22:56.18 | Tig| | brian|lfs: wrong continent for me but in my experience those details look sane, can you get GPRS on another phone? ie is it a location issue? |
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| 22:56.58 | brian|lfs | not sure |
| 22:57.07 | brian|lfs | I'll have is a freerunner and a iphone |
| 22:57.19 | brian|lfs | the sim in the free runner isn't going to work in my iphone |
| 22:57.26 | brian|lfs | due to it being a differen't size |
| 22:57.52 | Tig| | erm I thought all GSM SIMs were the same size |
| 22:58.11 | brian|lfs | no the contacts ont he bottom are dffierent on the iphoen sim card |
| 22:58.15 | Tig| | at least all the ones I have ever seen |
| 22:58.18 | brian|lfs | I can try it but doubt they will line up |
| 22:58.44 | xhrit | ... |
| 22:58.56 | Tig| | erm is the iphone gsm? sorry for silly question but never been near one |
| 22:58.58 | xhrit | brian|lfs: use some spare wires |
| 22:59.20 | brian|lfs | ya its gsm |
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| 22:59.47 | xhrit | so...does anyone know if packages from 2007 will work on FSO? |
| 22:59.54 | brian|lfs | what you mean by spare wires xhrit |
| 22:59.55 | Tig| | mind you it would be classic for apple to insist on a non standard simcard shape :) |
| 23:00.22 | SpeedEvil | waves an 'original' sized sim-card. |
| 23:00.41 | Tig| | ooo look it is the iSIM, just like a SIM you can get anywhere else but now it is white and apple shaped :P |
| 23:00.47 | brian|lfs | I'm looking for my iphone lol |
| 23:01.00 | brian|lfs | so I can put the activated sim in and see what happensx |
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| 23:02.00 | koenigjm | Man! 4 days into my openmoko and my screen has a crack in it! :( |
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| 23:02.26 | Tig| | koenigjm: erk:( how? |
| 23:02.27 | koenigjm | I had it in an empty pocket while I was walking around :( |
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| 23:02.56 | Ko_deZ | koenigjm: crack or scratch? |
| 23:03.03 | koenigjm | crack in the lcd |
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| 23:03.16 | SpeedEvil | oops. |
| 23:03.19 | koenigjm | the colors are all messed up on one side :( |
| 23:03.20 | Ko_deZ | koenigjm: So it is completely broken? |
| 23:03.27 | Tig| | koenigjm: erm do you have strong thighs and tight jeans? |
| 23:03.41 | koenigjm | lol certainly not tight jeans :P |
| 23:03.42 | Ko_deZ | koenigjm: that is not so good. |
| 23:03.47 | koenigjm | I don't know where my thighs rank |
| 23:03.55 | SpeedEvil | That's irreparable koenigjm - without replacing the LCD :( |
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| 23:04.09 | koenigjm | right...*sigh* any thoughts on getting a replacement? |
| 23:04.24 | rtm | Is it normal for the 2008.8 dialer to take several seconds to show each digit when one is entering a number into the dialer? |
| 23:04.32 | SpeedEvil | koenigjm: post to community? |
| 23:04.45 | koenigjm | *nod nod* |
| 23:04.53 | SpeedEvil | Good luck. |
| 23:04.58 | SpeedEvil | And you did insure it? |
| 23:05.12 | SpeedEvil | INSURE YOUR EXPENSIVE TOY people. |
| 23:05.33 | koenigjm | I wasn't even aware insurance was available...makes this story even more sad |
| 23:05.42 | spdr_ | anybody know how i can run minimo on qtopia ? |
| 23:05.55 | spdr_ | or actually, launch it |
| 23:05.57 | SpeedEvil | mobile phone insurance is available from any insurer generally. |
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| 23:09.27 | spdr_ | ? |
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| 23:11.09 | brian|lfs | the sim card works but they work me to reactivate with at&t lol |
| 23:11.18 | brian|lfs | so I have no way to test the data lol |
| 23:11.35 | Torikun | wow |
| 23:11.43 | Torikun | go to shop and have them activate your card |
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| 23:11.55 | rtm | What sequence of buttons must one press to get the 2008.8 stack out of suspend? |
| 23:12.01 | brian|lfs | the card is activated jsut not on my iphone |
| 23:12.06 | cga`flashing`Neo | dfu-utils finds an undefined device even if the FR is not connected. how do i get rid of it? |
| 23:12.21 | SirBob1701 | forget commands to scp crap to freerunner damn it |
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| 23:12.57 | brian|lfs | should I jsut put my data back on my iphoen perhaps lol |
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| 23:13.22 | brian|lfs | apperantly at&t can't be hacked to get data tow ork on the free runner |
| 23:13.43 | brian|lfs | and the wiifi don't work on 20088 |
| 23:13.54 | *** join/#openmoko kinneh (n=han@gazonk.se) |
| 23:14.03 | spdr_ | minimo on qtopia, anyone? |
| 23:14.51 | ConfidentiaL | spdr_: only qt apps on qtopia, and I don't think minimo is a qt app |
| 23:15.20 | ConfidentiaL | actually I don't thimk there's any web browsers for qtopia yet... |
| 23:15.26 | spdr_ | i knew it. its just someone else said i works :( |
| 23:15.33 | spdr_ | it* |
| 23:16.11 | *** join/#openmoko rooly|away (n=chris@64.92.129.250) |
| 23:16.16 | lpotter | could probably run minomo on ASU. or compile qtfirefox for qtopia |
| 23:16.22 | ConfidentiaL | well, I don't know for sure, but that's what I've heard... |
| 23:17.21 | cga`flashing`Neo | i'll be back |
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| 23:19.30 | Sargun | Can I charge my FR while its plugged into the debug boarD? |
| 23:19.41 | brian|lfs | I found an IP i'm going to try for GPRS |
| 23:19.45 | brian|lfs | instead of a server name |
| 23:19.52 | lpotter | or you could wait a few weeks for qtopai 4.4 which will have a web browser |
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| 23:20.42 | brian|lfs | anyone get the installer to work on 20088 |
| 23:21.00 | Torikun | brian|lfs: NP |
| 23:21.04 | Torikun | brian|lfs: NO |
| 23:21.09 | Torikun | it has no repos lol |
| 23:21.13 | balrog-kun | lpotter: yay |
| 23:21.25 | brian|lfs | its pretty useless then lol |
| 23:21.27 | Torikun | few weeks ... |
| 23:21.34 | brian|lfs | wifi don't work and installer don't work lol |
| 23:21.38 | Torikun | that will be better than the rate openmoko is going |
| 23:22.07 | Torikun | Ican not connect to any wifi on 2008008 |
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| 23:24.32 | rtm | 2008.8 is really tremendously less usable than 2007.2 . I wonder what made them release it now? Did the earlier versions cause the Freerunner to catch fire? |
| 23:26.24 | linuxxr | yup |
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| 23:26.33 | linuxxr | brian |
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| 23:27.14 | xhrit | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gpe-filemanager: |
| 23:27.14 | xhrit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.17 | xhrit | hmm... |
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| 23:29.42 | trix | how much work does it really take to generate those .sig files for opkg |
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| 23:30.13 | linuxxr | well with things changing so rapidly |
| 23:30.21 | linuxxr | haaaaa |
| 23:30.47 | linuxxr | md5sums are fast |
| 23:30.49 | trix | warp speed mr zulu |
| 23:31.17 | linuxxr | 75 megs real fast |
| 23:31.31 | trix | hmm |
| 23:31.52 | linuxxr | wee need kde sos we can fly |
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| 23:32.38 | cga | damn |
| 23:32.57 | Pyrasi | anyone know the location of a lint-wifi ipk? |
| 23:33.01 | cga | apparently i fucked the bluetooth mouse with dfu-utils |
| 23:33.30 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 23:34.04 | trix | Pyrasi, from the wiki, http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/lint-wifi_rc1_armv4t.ipk |
| 23:34.10 | trix | err |
| 23:34.13 | trix | nevermind. |
| 23:34.41 | rtm | Is there anyway to completely disable suspend on 2008.8 so that one can work on the thing for more than a few seconds between suspends? |
| 23:34.59 | Pyrasi | yea =/ that one was 404'd |
| 23:35.23 | trix | i grabbed it from there yesterday, he must've removed it after 2008.8 came out |
| 23:36.58 | cga | ok good night for now |
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| 23:37.01 | lloyd_fedora | how is the 2008.8 ? |
| 23:37.02 | cga | see you |
| 23:37.18 | rtm | lloyd_fedora: TERRIBLE! |
| 23:37.19 | SirBob1701 | is there a standard qwerty input on 2008.8? |
| 23:37.55 | brian|lfs | bye bye 20088 going back to the stock image lol |
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| 23:38.09 | brian|lfs | at least all the networking and the phone work on the stock image |
| 23:38.16 | Centaur5 | lloyd_fedora: It's been stable with receiving calls and sending/receiving sms today but I can't make calls cause it thinks I don't have signal. |
| 23:38.26 | lloyd_fedora | damm was waiting for this .. will get my phone in a day or two |
| 23:38.45 | brian|lfs | cancel your order save your money |
| 23:39.03 | brian|lfs | unelss your jsust going to make phone calls |
| 23:39.12 | rtm | No, order your phone, but load it with 2007.2, which almost works." |
| 23:39.24 | lloyd_fedora | yeah just need it for calls n sms |
| 23:39.29 | trix | yeah i was pretty pleased with how 2007.2 was working |
| 23:39.45 | brian|lfs | 20084 works |
| 23:39.50 | brian|lfs | its what comes stock |
| 23:39.51 | Pyrasi | trix you dont still have the ipk do you? |
| 23:40.00 | trix | no pyrasi, i looked around for a bit but no luck |
| 23:40.07 | lloyd_fedora | does the phone come with 2007.2 |
| 23:40.10 | trix | i'd installed it directly to my om |
| 23:40.11 | Centaur5 | If I had the choice (my phone broke 3 days before FR came out) I would have waited for GTA03. |
| 23:40.12 | Pyrasi | =/ k thanks anyway |
| 23:40.59 | lloyd_fedora | Centaur5: gta03 ?? isnt the freerunner gta02 |
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| 23:41.10 | Centaur5 | lloyd_fedora: GTA03 is due in December |
| 23:41.12 | brian|lfs | whats gta03 going to have for specs |
| 23:41.25 | brian|lfs | or will it have for specs |
| 23:41.42 | Centaur5 | brian|lfs: Same but with Edge and no glamo |
| 23:42.03 | brian|lfs | for the network do you mean edge |
| 23:42.04 | SpeedEvil | Centaur5: where did you get deember from? |
| 23:42.05 | lloyd_fedora | Centaur5: dec .. naw .. i cant waqit .. itll take months to be released |
| 23:42.43 | Centaur5 | SpeedEvil: It was either the wiki or an article I ran across. This info I read was a month ago. Is that way off? |
| 23:43.32 | brian|lfs | lovely the normal image fails to load back onto my phone |
| 23:43.47 | brian|lfs | am I stufff with this junk on my phone now |
| 23:44.15 | lloyd_fedora | Centaur5: ive already waited too long .. :-) .. im just gonna do it .. n i guess ill be in here a lot after that .. lol |
| 23:44.16 | kgoetz | wonders if hes been a total fool |
| 23:44.29 | kgoetz | i think i just realised why i couldnt flash my FR last night :| |
| 23:44.49 | brian|lfs | why couldn't you flashit kgoetz |
| 23:44.56 | brian|lfs | wrong image? |
| 23:45.01 | kgoetz | brian|lfs: i think i forgot to add -a rootfs |
| 23:45.12 | brian|lfs | oh I have done that before lol |
| 23:45.13 | Centaur5 | lloyd_fedora: True, I've been following the project since November of 06 so it's great to have. Edge would have been very nice though. |
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| 23:45.47 | brian|lfs | whats good about edge its slow as hell |
| 23:45.56 | trix | the name, really |
| 23:45.58 | brian|lfs | wouldn't you want the g3 network |
| 23:46.00 | SpeedEvil | Centaur5: articles can be misleading, and the wiki... |
| 23:46.05 | SpeedEvil | Centaur5: who knows. |
| 23:46.11 | lloyd_fedora | Centaur5: does yr phone n sms works fine on the 2007 |
| 23:46.39 | Centaur5 | SpeedEvil: Now that I think about it I'm sure it was a mailing list. Very misleading. :) |
| 23:46.56 | trix | i was just showing my FR 2008.8 to a friend |
| 23:47.02 | trix | specifically, how one can change the screen brightness |
| 23:47.07 | trix | smirks |
| 23:47.10 | mwester | bet that was a bad idea |
| 23:47.17 | mwester | did it crash? |
| 23:47.23 | Centaur5 | lloyd_fedora: SMS actually works better than my old piece of crap M$ device that broke right before I got the FR. Phone calls finally wake suspend and I can answer but today I can't make any calls cause my phone doesn't think I have reception. |
| 23:47.24 | trix | oh no it handled it very well. |
| 23:47.37 | trix | and then i set it down and told him the rest isn't there yet |
| 23:48.11 | lloyd_fedora | Centaur5: no reception .. cause of the 2008.8 |
| 23:48.22 | brian|lfs | wtf |
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| 23:48.33 | brian|lfs | this is the right image for my phoen it keeps bombing out |
| 23:48.39 | kgoetz | if i re-image the rootfs, do i need to install a kernel seperately? |
| 23:48.52 | kgoetz | (eg, from a uImage*bin file) |
| 23:49.16 | trix | who is maintaining 2007.2 now, if not OM? |
| 23:50.16 | trix | kgoetz if you are switching distros yes you should |
| 23:50.16 | rtm | On 2008.8, is it normal for qpe to consume 90% of the CPU time when absolutely nothing is being done with the phone? |
| 23:51.10 | kgoetz | trix: thanks, i'll find an up to dateish kernel image :) |
| 23:51.28 | Sargun | I'm getting errors with OpenOCD |
| 23:51.34 | Sargun | Runtime error, file "?", line 1: |
| 23:51.34 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.34 | Sargun | In procedure 'script' called at file "?", line 1 |
| 23:51.34 | Sargun | In procedure 'daemon_startup' called at file "openocd.cfg", line 9 |
| 23:51.34 | Sargun | In procedure 'unknown' called at file "?", line 1 |
| 23:51.57 | Infoport | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:53.44 | Infoport | rtm: did you get your answer about Suspend? go to Settings, and click on Suspend...it will cycle 30sec, 60sec, off. |
| 23:54.07 | rtm | Infoport: Thanks! |
| 23:54.09 | tdobson | eeek. I downloaded an oldish image (of 2007.2) and now I seem to be downloading most of the low level architecture again... |
| 23:54.32 | trix | december seems way, way too soon for a consumer gta03. i think they'd have a miserable time with that. |
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| 23:54.56 | rtm | Is anyone successfully using a T-mobile SIM with 2008.8? |
| 23:55.05 | abraxa_ | kgoetz: 2007.2 is unmaintained. No one maintains it. However, the SHR folks are adapting it to FSO. |
| 23:55.07 | *** part/#openmoko koenigjm (n=koenigjm@75.150.72.222) |
| 23:55.34 | kgoetz | abraxa_: that was actually to trix :) |
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| 23:55.48 | abraxa_ | kgoetz: Oh right. My bad. |
| 23:55.54 | kgoetz | abraxa_: np |
| 23:56.21 | trix | abraxa, ohh ok thanks. so who's to thank for the daily updates i was getting with opkg? |
| 23:56.45 | trix | or were those just to the package & os-independant feeds |
| 23:56.49 | Infoport | any idea why after installing 2008.8 I would get a message from "1111301000" with attachment "0_application/vnd.wap.sic"? isn't a little early for OM viruses or spam? |
| 23:57.28 | abraxa_ | trix: Well, the non-2007.2-specific parts of the distribution are always updated |
| 23:58.25 | trix | thanks for the info, abraxa |
| 23:58.39 | abraxa_ | Infoport: http://www.google.com/search?q=1111301000 - you are certainly not the only one |
