| 00:02.05 | Tanuva | quickdev: hmm.. how do I also get stderr >'ed into a file? |
| 00:02.20 | Tanuva | argh, google is my friend >.< |
| 00:02.25 | playya | in the same like stdout? |
| 00:02.29 | quickdev | 2>&1 |
| 00:02.47 | quickdev | ./program 2>&1 > file.log should work |
| 00:03.56 | Tanuva | more precise: I'm trying to do: strace opkg -force-downgrade install libembryo-dev - but that puts all the trace on the terminal and not into the logfile |
| 00:04.26 | Tanuva | quickdev: that doesn't work Oo |
| 00:04.28 | mmontour | 2>/some/file to redirect only stderr |
| 00:04.50 | Tanuva | ah. dumb me |
| 00:05.02 | Tanuva | I inserted blanks: 2 > file ;D |
| 00:05.08 | Tanuva | doesn't work then |
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| 00:06.18 | quickdev | Tanuva, cmd 1>outfile.txt 2>&1 |
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| 00:06.40 | Tanuva | quickdev: only the trace: d-etch.homelinux.net/files/opkglog |
| 00:06.53 | quickdev | Tanuva, report a bug ;) |
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| 00:07.54 | brian|lfs | hello everyone |
| 00:08.17 | brian|lfs | why can't won't my freerunner reflash with a newer rootfs it keeps timeing out in the middle of the transfer |
| 00:08.29 | brian|lfs | I even tried rebooting into linux and got the same result |
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| 00:10.14 | xhrit | ... |
| 00:10.14 | abraxa_ | brian|lfs: My guess is that your battery is almost empty |
| 00:10.36 | xhrit | woot, i have had teh neo for 3 days... |
| 00:10.43 | abraxa_ | Congrats |
| 00:10.46 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: what version u-boot is it? recent versions do not timeout during transfers |
| 00:10.57 | brian|lfs | the uboot worked fine |
| 00:11.01 | brian|lfs | and the kernel |
| 00:11.09 | brian|lfs | I installed the lated 20088 of both |
| 00:11.28 | Tanuva | quickdev: hm. just to prevent creating an account for nothing - oe bugtracker is right, isn't it? |
| 00:11.29 | brian|lfs | its just the rootfs times out everytime |
| 00:11.33 | rwhitby | does the neo timeout and power off, or does the dfu-util transfer timeout but the neo is still active? |
| 00:11.45 | brian|lfs | dfu-trnasfer times out |
| 00:11.54 | rwhitby | ok, nothing to do with uboot then. |
| 00:11.55 | brian|lfs | I look at the device and the screen will still be lit |
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| 00:12.17 | rwhitby | try a different host and/or cable |
| 00:12.31 | brian|lfs | good point |
| 00:12.48 | brian|lfs | I'm thinking its my 690i chipset that is a somewhat new chipset |
| 00:12.55 | quickdev | Tanuva, good question. Don't know. |
| 00:13.08 | Tanuva | quickdev: then I'll just put it there |
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| 00:13.53 | xhrit | i want to install lua... |
| 00:16.04 | Tanuva | hm.. which version of angstrom might fso be based on? |
| 00:16.45 | brian|lfs | hmm can't find another usb cable |
| 00:17.07 | cjb | Tanuva: root@om-gta02:~# cat /etc/angstrom-version |
| 00:17.08 | cjb | Angstrom -20080729 |
| 00:17.13 | cjb | dunno if that helps :) |
| 00:17.18 | Tanuva | helps, thanks :) |
| 00:17.36 | jadams | does FSO fast charge by default? |
| 00:17.50 | jadams | my phone's plugged up and keeps dying |
| 00:19.29 | Dave | yo yo yo |
| 00:20.06 | mmontour | xhrit: If you have OE/MokoMakefile set up, you can just "bitbake lua" and then install the package. |
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| 00:25.08 | linuxxr | cjb that version come with alot of games? |
| 00:26.16 | linuxxr | im thinking of putting some else on here |
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| 00:28.23 | cjb | oh, I missed the 2008.8 release |
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| 01:01.49 | rooly | so... |
| 01:02.03 | rooly | the wifi on the om2008.8 needs to be addressed |
| 01:07.14 | tunys | raster: what? |
| 01:07.33 | raster | ? |
| 01:07.45 | raster | ooh sorrty |
| 01:07.52 | raster | tab-complete mis-direct |
| 01:09.04 | tunys | oic |
| 01:17.25 | brian|lfs | I think I figured the problem out |
| 01:17.35 | brian|lfs | I had my mini sd card in my openmoko |
| 01:17.49 | brian|lfs | at least I hope that was the probably its taking forever to write the rootfs |
| 01:18.05 | brian|lfs | this time |
| 01:19.30 | brian|lfs | is that a good guess my mini sd card could of been causing problems rwhitby |
| 01:23.13 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: I doubt it |
| 01:23.33 | rwhitby | Almost everybody flashes with the SD card in. |
| 01:24.41 | brian|lfs | will it hasn't bombed out yet and it has been going for 3 times as long this time |
| 01:25.06 | brian|lfs | I'm thinking my itnernal ram on my openmoko might be bad |
| 01:26.58 | brian|lfs | how long does it take to download the rootfs usually anyhow when it works rihgt? |
| 01:27.50 | SpeedEvil | few mins |
| 01:28.37 | brian|lfs | how about on usb 1 don't think my dual opteron has usb 2 |
| 01:28.39 | brian|lfs | lol |
| 01:29.11 | SpeedEvil | neo/FR only has usb1.1 |
| 01:29.31 | brian|lfs | thats lame |
| 01:29.41 | brian|lfs | what a hunk of shit for 400 bucks |
| 01:29.56 | brian|lfs | they could of done a lot better like more internal memory and more ram |
| 01:30.14 | brian|lfs | I guess I can't expect much better from FIC |
| 01:30.18 | pjz | brian|lfs: or they could have listened to fsckers like you and we still wouldn't have an actual phone |
| 01:30.21 | SpeedEvil | It's not really that simple. |
| 01:30.47 | brian|lfs | I'm sorry I'm bitching I've had nothing but problems with mine |
| 01:31.03 | SpeedEvil | Point to an open SoC with reasonably power consuption and availability, available in small quantities. |
| 01:31.04 | brian|lfs | I'm starting to wonder if its bad hardware |
| 01:31.15 | pjz | brian|lfs: what kind of problems? |
| 01:31.24 | brian|lfs | lock ups when power save is on |
| 01:31.32 | brian|lfs | and battery drains extremely fast |
| 01:31.36 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. |
| 01:31.39 | pjz | brian|lfs: suspend is unstable |
| 01:31.47 | pjz | brian|lfs: so is battery life |
| 01:31.57 | pjz | brian|lfs: so: wait for it to get better |
| 01:32.06 | brian|lfs | I know it will get better |
| 01:32.12 | pjz | brian|lfs: or if you're braver, test stuff out and help it get better |
| 01:32.20 | brian|lfs | how about gettign data to work over my sim card |
| 01:32.40 | brian|lfs | I've yet to find a wiki I can understand on that lol |
| 01:33.50 | brian|lfs | oh ya another problem I'm having is no one can hear me when I talk to them on my openmoko everyone says there is a bad buzzing sound |
| 01:35.21 | brian|lfs | I read that a capitor was put in the wrong palce thats why the sound quality isn't that good is that true? |
| 01:36.39 | safiiru | The sound quality is fine, but it creates an echo when the other person speaks. |
| 01:37.06 | safiiru | For me anyway. |
| 01:37.34 | safiiru | Their voice travels back into the microphone wihtout being cancelled and they hear an echo. |
| 01:38.50 | xhrit | ... |
| 01:40.31 | SpeedEvil | echo |
| 01:40.43 | safiiru | I set an alarm on my FR, but it was turned off. It actually turned on and rang on time, which I find amazing. |
| 01:41.12 | safiiru | Nice since I use my current phone as reminder to wake up/do things. |
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| 01:43.32 | pjz | is anyone working on a volume control app? |
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| 01:44.14 | pjz | hrm, I guess I could run alsamixer in a terminal |
| 01:45.40 | brian|lfs | should I unplug my freerunner it hasn't errored out but the boxes stopped moving across the screen on the other hand? |
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| 01:45.58 | pjz | boxes? |
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| 01:46.12 | brian|lfs | ya the boxes that show the percent that its loading the image at |
| 01:46.16 | brian|lfs | or suppsoe tro be |
| 01:50.19 | ieatlint | hey pjz |
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| 01:59.21 | brian|lfs | hey rwhitby here is the error I get Starting download: [#######################dfu_download error -5 |
| 01:59.21 | brian|lfs | Error during download |
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| 02:00.08 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: the hashes shouldn't stop |
| 02:00.13 | deque | I'm attempting to flash a new image to my FR, and dfu-util is being extremely non cooperative. When I run it without the FR connected it returns "Found Runtime: [0x0a5c:0x2101] devnum=2, cfg=0, intf=3, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED"" |
| 02:00.15 | rwhitby | what's in dmesg on the host machine? |
| 02:00.45 | rwhitby | deque: without the freerunner connected? that means you're finding some other dfu-capable device (like a bluetooth usb dongle) |
| 02:00.47 | deque | when I have the FR connected it sees two devices, and even if I specify the one that corresponds to the phone, it fails to flash |
| 02:00.58 | brian|lfs | I'm in windows vista |
| 02:00.59 | rwhitby | make sure you use the vendor and product id options to dfu-util |
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| 02:01.13 | brian|lfs | oh didn't Know I had to do that |
| 02:01.23 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: um, that might have been a good piece of information to start with ... |
| 02:01.25 | deque | rwhitby: they both must be specified? |
| 02:01.46 | rwhitby | deque: see the flash-* lines in the MokoMakefile for the correct values (or search the wiki) |
| 02:02.19 | brian|lfs | can't I do a -l to get them? |
| 02:02.28 | pjz | it's amazing how often RTFW should be the answer |
| 02:02.55 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: you're probably the only person here to run dfu-util under Vista, so I'd suggest getting a Linux LiveCD and using that to flash the freerunner, or talking to the person who ported dfu-util to windows. |
| 02:03.13 | deque | rwhitby: Where can I find the mokoMakefile? It soundsl ike thatm ight be more useful than what I've found in the wiki. |
| 02:03.23 | brian|lfs | I tired in Linux also on two machies and get the same result |
| 02:03.32 | pjz | is fairly sure that mokomakefile is also mentoined on the wiki |
| 02:03.42 | rwhitby | deque: choose the values from that one that is not found when the FR is disconnected, and use that on the command line. |
| 02:04.31 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: have you tried linux on a different host yet? |
| 02:04.45 | brian|lfs | ya |
| 02:04.49 | brian|lfs | same result |
| 02:05.04 | deque | right, that's what I've done, ex: |
| 02:05.07 | deque | sudo ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D ~/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 -d 0x1d50:0x5119 |
| 02:05.08 | brian|lfs | but anyhow this is what I get when Id o dfu-util.exe -l |
| 02:05.16 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: can't help you then, sorry. |
| 02:05.36 | brian|lfs | I have to do the a switch? |
| 02:05.49 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: I'd suggest using the support mailing list at this point. |
| 02:06.16 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: deque's problem is orthogonal to yours |
| 02:06.33 | brian|lfs | ya I know what you mean |
| 02:06.42 | brian|lfs | could bad memory be a possability? |
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| 02:07.10 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: your's, the neo's, or the host's ? |
| 02:07.24 | brian|lfs | neo |
| 02:07.41 | brian|lfs | that would be logical to me becuase the kernl loads fine along with u-boot |
| 02:07.57 | rwhitby | those are much smaller than the rootfs |
| 02:08.10 | brian|lfs | exactly |
| 02:08.10 | rwhitby | my guess is it's something to do with the usb on your host. |
| 02:08.20 | rwhitby | find someone for whom it works, and use their host |
| 02:08.21 | brian|lfs | on all my machiens |
| 02:08.58 | deque | I've seen the process for booting from SD, is there a way to flash from SD? |
| 02:09.00 | brian|lfs | I don't know anyone that would drop 400 bucks on a linxu phoen besides myself |
| 02:09.46 | rwhitby | has exhausted all ideas he has |
| 02:10.12 | rwhitby | have you emailed the support list yet? |
| 02:10.23 | brian|lfs | no not yet |
| 02:10.33 | brian|lfs | where on the wiki is the support list? |
| 02:10.37 | rwhitby | (make sure you include lots of information about the USB chipsets on the hosts that you have used, and the windows and linux OS versions. |
| 02:10.57 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: what search terms have you used so far to look for it? |
| 02:11.09 | brian|lfs | haven't yet |
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| 02:12.37 | brian|lfs | I'm reading a form where someone had a similar error as me but not the same |
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| 02:14.07 | brian|lfs | does nad-erease sound famielr rwhitby |
| 02:14.18 | brian|lfs | nand-erase I mean |
| 02:14.34 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: not related |
| 02:14.34 | Dave | nand erase? yeah |
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| 02:14.56 | rwhitby | old u-boot versions and nand erase only cause problems when booting, not flashing. |
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| 02:15.14 | brian|lfs | so its not smart to erase my whole unit? |
| 02:16.17 | Dave | rwhitby, you're referring to the GTA02 specifically then, right? |
| 02:18.10 | brian|lfs | wtf rwhitby its past where it bombed out still flashing |
| 02:18.22 | brian|lfs | all I did was add -a rootfs |
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| 02:19.58 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: doh - you *always* need the -a switch. |
| 02:20.23 | brian|lfs | I didn't know |
| 02:20.32 | brian|lfs | don't think the a was in the example |
| 02:20.40 | rwhitby | Dave: "nand erase" with no args will brick a GTA01. It's not a good idea on a GTA02 either, since it will destroy your u-boot environment. |
| 02:20.50 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: which example? |
| 02:20.56 | brian|lfs | on the wiki |
| 02:20.57 | rwhitby | point us to the wiki page so we can fix it |
| 02:21.07 | brian|lfs | ok |
| 02:21.09 | Dave | :) |
| 02:21.11 | brian|lfs | hold a sec |
| 02:21.14 | Dave | right! |
| 02:21.19 | Dave | see, that's what I remember! |
| 02:21.47 | rwhitby | Dave: but since brian|lfs's u-boot was still working, that nand erase thing is not related either |
| 02:22.55 | Dave | I know nothing of brainlfs's issues |
| 02:23.07 | Dave | but I do remember a classic "nand erase" kernel flashing bug on the wiki :) |
| 02:23.15 | brian|lfs | hmm not sure what page I read earleir |
| 02:23.30 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: does your browser have a history tab? |
| 02:23.30 | brian|lfs | becuase the page I found now has the -a in the exampels |
| 02:23.33 | Dave | Something where after flashing the device won't boot, and you have to nand erase |
| 02:23.41 | Dave | Though I may be taking this out of context :D |
| 02:23.45 | cjb | Anyone happen to know whether devel@ requires you to join before you can post (without moderation)? |
| 02:24.15 | rwhitby | Dave: so why did you bring that up in response to brian|lfs's question related to his problems? |
| 02:24.36 | Dave | :( sorry |
| 02:24.42 | Dave | hides in the corner |
| 02:24.48 | rooly | the installer refuses to release it's package lock |
| 02:25.18 | rwhitby | cjb: I would expect so |
| 02:25.32 | rwhitby | the confirmation email should be immediate |
| 02:25.49 | cjb | ok, thanks. I tried, my server greylisted the mail and now even trying to subscribe again doesn't get a redelivery. |
| 02:25.52 | brian|lfs | wow the new firmware looks a lot nicers |
| 02:25.57 | dingman | Are there changelogs for the ASU dailies? |
| 02:26.04 | cjb | is trying to share the touchscreen input rotation fix with people :) |
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| 02:28.19 | rooly | anyone notice a longer boot time with the om2008.8 image? |
| 02:28.35 | safiiru | Yeah it's a bit longer. |
| 02:29.14 | safiiru | The first boot is longer than subsequent ones though. |
| 02:29.15 | brian|lfs | sound seems better with this firmware far as I can tell I didn't hear a buzz |
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| 02:29.35 | pjz | does 2008.8 have a valid update repo? |
| 02:29.58 | dingman | pjz yes, but the ones it comes with are broken. |
| 02:30.48 | deque | ok, so I tried flashing again with dfu-util and have error output. Is there a preferred pastebin for this channel? |
| 02:31.51 | deque | http://pastebin.com/mc2562d8 |
| 02:33.33 | safiiru | Does the wifi setup work for WPA2 on August 5th release? |
| 02:33.44 | safiiru | I mean the GUI wifi setup. |
| 02:33.50 | rooly | no |
| 02:34.08 | safiiru | Ok, Yeah I had to do it on the terminal or it wouldn't work. |
| 02:34.10 | rooly | it may connect to a network, but the routing is messed up |
| 02:34.34 | retracile | Cool. The pygtk helloworld.py runs. With that and vim and the matchbox keyboard (with the toggle app)... this FR is getting there. :) |
| 02:34.50 | safiiru | hey, there's a vim ipkg? |
| 02:35.00 | retracile | "bitbake vim" worked for me |
| 02:35.14 | safiiru | Cool, I can't stand vi classic. |
| 02:35.22 | rooly | can't stand vi |
| 02:35.24 | retracile | hehe. :) Understood... understood. |
| 02:35.24 | rooly | uses nano |
| 02:35.30 | safiiru | I love vim. |
| 02:35.31 | rooly | opkg install nano |
| 02:35.36 | retracile | <3 vim |
| 02:36.02 | retracile | (there _is_ no other editor.) |
| 02:36.13 | rooly | unless you install nano |
| 02:36.44 | russellb | <3+++ vim |
| 02:37.02 | rooly | hrm, the midori package sure has a lot of dependancies |
| 02:37.15 | rooly | is gonna see if it's better than minimo |
| 02:39.40 | retracile | wget is on the FR. awesome. :) |
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| 02:40.31 | ieatlint | rooly, let me know how that goes |
| 02:40.38 | ieatlint | retracile, it's busybox... |
| 02:41.33 | retracile | ieatlint: Which explains why the display was a little different than I'm used to, but it lets me grab a url, and that's what I needed, so I'm happy. |
| 02:41.46 | retracile | (Granted, I just did 'opkg install bash' ... ) |
| 02:42.01 | rwhitby | emacs works fine on the neo ... |
| 02:42.17 | ieatlint | you and your bash... real geeks use mc |
| 02:42.58 | cjb | .. no, no they don't |
| 02:43.01 | retracile | markes rwhitby as a heretic ;) |
| 02:43.01 | cjb | :) |
| 02:43.03 | ieatlint | :) |
| 02:44.01 | dingman | wonders whether there was any room left in the Neo's head once rwhitby taught it the true religion |
| 02:44.06 | rwhitby | retracile: emacs and vi(m)? are just tools. nothing to get religious about ... |
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| 02:44.15 | rwhitby | uses both |
| 02:44.22 | rooly | hrm |
| 02:44.29 | ieatlint | i wonder if i'll actually learn some day why fso made a gui link for htop when it's not a gui app, and can't fit on the screen size the FR provides the terminal |
| 02:44.38 | rooly | midori is basically a slightly upgrade version of openmoko-browser |
| 02:44.54 | rwhitby | ieatlint: the + and - buttons work on the fso terminal |
| 02:44.57 | dingman | Every *nix geek should know enough vi to get the system up and running to the point where emacs is accessible :) |
| 02:44.58 | rooly | a bit faster to launch than minimo, but it's alot uglier |
| 02:45.09 | retracile | rwhitby: Oh, true... take all of that as tongue-in-cheek. :) |
| 02:45.11 | ieatlint | huh... i have a weird friend who loves midori for low power systems |
| 02:45.25 | ieatlint | rwhitby, and how small does it need to get to fit? |
| 02:45.29 | rwhitby | uses emacs to edit .virc and vi to edit .emacs ... |
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| 02:45.48 | rwhitby | just to annoy the zealots |
| 02:45.59 | brian|lfs | I never did find the messed up wicki I read |
| 02:46.01 | rooly | i'm noticed that the gtk engine is slightly buggy inside the qtopia stack |
| 02:46.03 | brian|lfs | maybe I'm crazy |
| 02:46.28 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: if you don't use -a, you're just writing to the RAM, so you'll want to reflash the uboot and kernel too |
| 02:46.46 | brian|lfs | I've been running the qt stack for a few minues now and I already notice its less buggy |
| 02:47.01 | brian|lfs | I just reflashed htem |
| 02:47.03 | brian|lfs | but thanks |
| 02:48.58 | rooly | suggests midori for speed and minimo for looks/features |
| 02:50.49 | brian|lfs | is there no startup sound on the qtopia engine? |
| 02:50.55 | brian|lfs | I haven't heard one yet |
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| 02:52.42 | GirlRiver | can anyone point me to a page/wiki/tutorial where I can find out how to add a google calendar account in Qtopia |
| 02:55.38 | wyze | quick FSO question...when engaged in call, can one access the keypad in the middle of the phone call? |
| 02:55.55 | wyze | i remember this wasnt possible pre milestone 2 |
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| 03:00.07 | brian|lfs | the 20088 was pretty buggy so I'm downgrading my firmware to the latest stable |
| 03:00.25 | brian|lfs | I didn't even see my wifi on 20088 |
| 03:03.12 | safiiru | Why do people put options into a 'release' I wonder if they do not function. Like the wifi. |
| 03:03.43 | safiiru | I have like 40 character wpa2 passphrase and I sat there and typed it in like 20 times before I decided the gui wifi probably doesn't work. |
| 03:05.07 | safiiru | brian|lfs: There is no such thing as stable. |
| 03:05.45 | brian|lfs | lol |
| 03:06.01 | safiiru | 2007.2 was probably the most stable I have used. |
| 03:06.19 | safiiru | Other than power management issues. |
| 03:07.47 | dingman | anyone tried the 20080807 ASU? |
| 03:07.48 | brian|lfs | hey safiiru have you had any luck getting data to work on your sim card on openmoko |
| 03:07.58 | brian|lfs | ya its got bugs still |
| 03:08.10 | safiiru | Which sort of data? |
| 03:08.17 | rooly | just installed a terminal/icon for om2008 |
| 03:08.18 | brian|lfs | like internet and stuff |
| 03:08.19 | safiiru | Contacts, or grps data? |
| 03:08.20 | safiiru | oh |
| 03:08.25 | safiiru | No I haven't tried that yet. |
| 03:08.33 | brian|lfs | I haven't had any luck |
| 03:08.39 | brian|lfs | the wiki confused the hell out of me |
| 03:09.37 | dingman | brian|lfs, no perceptible change from 20080806? |
| 03:09.43 | rooly | check the latest image at http://scap.linuxtogo.org |
| 03:11.09 | safiiru | rooly: Which app is the WiFi icon for? |
| 03:11.40 | rooly | its my own little script |
| 03:11.44 | rooly | i can paste it for you if you lke |
| 03:12.03 | safiiru | rooly: sure |
| 03:12.13 | rooly | it handles wifi using the wpa_supplicant |
| 03:12.22 | rooly | connects to any network available in the list |
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| 03:12.42 | rooly | considering adding a line to it to make it more general purpose |
| 03:13.00 | safiiru | What did you write it in, /bin/sh? |
| 03:13.39 | rooly | http://rafb.net/p/bb7eMz85.html |
| 03:13.45 | rooly | yeah |
| 03:13.52 | rooly | configurates |
| 03:14.00 | xhrit | ... |
| 03:14.17 | xhrit | meh, i am having trouble with it myself... |
| 03:14.21 | rooly | where |
| 03:14.25 | rooly | can help maybe |
| 03:14.32 | xhrit | trying to set up usb networking at home... |
| 03:14.41 | xhrit | I got it running at work earlier. |
| 03:14.50 | rooly | this script might help: |
| 03:14.54 | safiiru | I am still just using the init.d script from the wiki that calls wpa_supplicant, it works also. |
| 03:15.14 | rooly | http://rafb.net/p/Q2GWaF97.html |
| 03:15.23 | safiiru | Seems to add the gw address now properly in 2008.8 |
| 03:15.38 | rooly | ic |
| 03:15.45 | rooly | safiiru, i might like to see that |
| 03:15.54 | rooly | since mine doesn't do it correctly |
| 03:16.11 | safiiru | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN#A_very_ugly_.2Fetc.2Finit.d.2Fwlan_startscript |
| 03:17.02 | safiiru | It's pretty much the same besides the route lines. |
| 03:17.06 | xhrit | rooly, lol. i thought this was #irr |
| 03:17.17 | rooly | haha |
| 03:18.28 | xhrit | oh man... |
| 03:18.35 | xhrit | Try this first. If it works, then you can... |
| 03:18.38 | rooly | remembers his old conf |
| 03:18.46 | xhrit | but if it doesnt work, you are on your own. |
| 03:18.47 | xhrit | lol |
| 03:20.02 | dougt | rooly: have you looked at compiling fennec? |
| 03:20.39 | rooly | fennec? haven't heard of it |
| 03:21.55 | dougt | http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build#Linux |
| 03:22.04 | dougt | rooly: happy to help you build for openmoko. |
| 03:22.40 | rooly | i just saw it...hmm |
| 03:22.47 | rooly | i need to see screenshots of it first... |
| 03:23.18 | xhrit | what command was it that let you see teh usb devices at they ar eplugged in? |
| 03:23.37 | rooly | dmesg? |
| 03:23.52 | dougt | rooly: http://arstechnica.com/news.media/fennec.png |
| 03:23.59 | dougt | that is on the n810 |
| 03:24.23 | dougt | rooly: is there a VMWare image open moko dev box? |
| 03:24.23 | rooly | right... |
| 03:24.38 | rooly | none that i know of |
| 03:25.33 | dougt | rooly: are you guys still building everything in OE? |
| 03:25.46 | rooly | i like to build on my phone |
| 03:25.49 | rooly | more fun that way |
| 03:25.53 | rooly | easier too |
| 03:26.06 | dougt | you serious? |
| 03:26.10 | rooly | i sure am |
| 03:26.17 | rooly | make && make install |
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| 03:26.49 | dougt | getting rid of the "cross" part of compiling makes things easier, for surez. |
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| 03:27.29 | rooly | has his camera available |
| 03:27.38 | rooly | about time i made that video of the FR running 3d |
| 03:28.46 | xhrit | ok, that works now. |
| 03:28.55 | xhrit | where is opkg-utils? |
| 03:29.04 | rooly | /usr/bin/opkg-utils |
| 03:29.09 | rooly | last i checked |
| 03:29.13 | xhrit | i installed a bunch ov packages to my card, but cant link them... |
| 03:29.30 | rooly | takes advantage of that whole 256 megs of space |
| 03:30.27 | xhrit | heh. |
| 03:30.32 | xhrit | I got a 4gb card. |
| 03:30.55 | xhrit | and i dont want to wear down teh wright life on teh internal flash |
| 03:31.13 | xhrit | omg, no opkg-utils! |
| 03:32.32 | brian|lfs | will rwhitby I found out what half my prolbem was apperantly for the past 2 days I was trying to flash with a orrupt image lol |
| 03:35.30 | xhrit | http://rafb.net/p/evbQBA77.html |
| 03:36.41 | rooly | xhrit |
| 03:36.44 | rooly | saw my vte icon? |
| 03:36.52 | rooly | http://scap.linuxtogo.org |
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| 03:43.21 | ozzloy | i tried to change battery while powered up and connected by usb. this worked before, but this time the fr died when i took out the battery |
| 03:43.25 | xhrit | how can i tell what version is installed? |
| 03:43.33 | rooly | version of what, xhrit |
| 03:43.57 | gargoyle_grin | Hey, all. Anybody else having any issues like this: http://dpaste.com/69918/ ? |
| 03:44.12 | xhrit | rooly, the system |
| 03:44.33 | pjz | gargoyle_grin: yeah, your feeds are probably broken |
| 03:44.51 | pjz | gargoyle_grin: that means it can't find what you're looking for in its feed database |
| 03:44.53 | rooly | xhrit, try "Exposure"->"System Info" |
| 03:45.29 | gargoyle_grin | Hmm. That's odd. opkg list does list libsdl and libsdl-image. |
| 03:46.46 | gargoyle_grin | Hmm. Well, thanks for your help. That'll move me in the right direction. |
| 03:46.54 | rwhitby | ozzloy: depends whether the usb host can supply over 500mA and whether the GSM happens to be transmitting (which requires a battery for the burst power) |
| 03:47.58 | ozzloy | rwhitby: gsm shouldn't be doing anything. i'll try with usb wall charger |
| 03:48.36 | rwhitby | there is also a recent bug where the usb negotiation unexpectedly fails to keep 500mA negotiated. |
| 03:48.40 | safiiru | Any docs on what urls to change all the opkg confs to? |
| 03:49.04 | rwhitby | with wall charger it should always work when gsm is not transmitting |
| 03:49.05 | ozzloy | rwhitby: actually i can't connect over usb |
| 03:49.10 | rwhitby | (the openmoko wall charger that is) |
| 03:49.21 | ozzloy | rwhitby: it's not showing up as a device |
| 03:49.32 | rwhitby | ozzloy: if you can't connect over usb, then it's probably not negotiating more than 100mA which won't power it |
| 03:49.55 | ozzloy | rwhitby: but i definitely connected over ssh before |
| 03:50.01 | ozzloy | on this computer |
| 03:50.19 | rwhitby | ozzloy: is this after a recent kernel upgrade? |
| 03:50.32 | rwhitby | if so, then see the mailing list about gadget modules |
| 03:50.43 | rwhitby | if not, then you've hit the recent unresolved bug I mentioned |
| 03:51.34 | ozzloy | this is after a recent kernel upgrade |
| 03:51.37 | safiiru | If I just change all the repo confs to their respective http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/* urls, will that fix 'Installer'? |
| 03:51.47 | rwhitby | ozzloy: between 3 and 5 days ago? |
| 03:51.56 | ozzloy | rwhitby: yeah |
| 03:52.07 | rwhitby | get the latest daily kernel and rootfs and flash them |
| 03:52.10 | ozzloy | rwhitby: i'll upgrade the kernel ... oh wait |
| 03:52.35 | ozzloy | yeah, how do i do that? |
| 03:52.50 | rwhitby | there was a major screw up in the kernel packaging which meant that it upgraded the kernel without requiring the usb gadget modules. |
| 03:53.03 | rwhitby | ozzloy: you haven't flashed an image yet? |
| 03:53.25 | ozzloy | i have, but how can i do that if usb doesn't connect? |
| 03:53.33 | ozzloy | i've been doing it on usb |
| 03:53.43 | rwhitby | usb ethernet doesn't have to connect for dfu-util |
| 03:54.12 | rwhitby | (it uses a more basic raw protocol) |
| 03:54.17 | rooly | ok |
| 03:54.19 | rooly | rebooting my FR |
| 03:54.21 | ozzloy | maybe i was mistaken, but i don't remember dmesg showing _anything_ |
| 03:54.24 | rooly | so's i can see this in action |
| 03:54.40 | rooly | dmesg? |
| 03:54.48 | rooly | shows the list of all device messages |
| 03:55.03 | rwhitby | ozzloy: unplug, replug, boot FR into nand or nor uboot mode. you should see it in dmesg |
| 03:55.18 | ozzloy | crosses fingers |
| 03:55.29 | rwhitby | if you don't then the problem is on your host |
| 03:55.54 | ozzloy | hope so |
| 03:56.26 | ozzloy | i have another computer handy, but my desk needs cleaning before i can break it out |
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| 03:57.42 | Zeroth__ | Hello all. Just wondering about the sms app, if I may ask some questions about it? |
| 03:58.18 | rwhitby | Zeroth__: first thing would be to specify which of the 5 different distributions you are using |
| 03:58.28 | Zeroth__ | default 2007.2 |
| 03:58.56 | Zeroth__ | I'm trying to figure out if I am actually sending text messages. |
| 03:59.23 | safiiru | Send yourself one. |
| 03:59.36 | Zeroth__ | ... great idea! |
| 03:59.52 | safiiru | Heh, thought of that already? |
| 04:00.37 | Zeroth__ | no |
| 04:00.50 | rooly | note to self |
| 04:00.59 | rooly | never EVER remove illume-theme-freesmartphone |
| 04:01.11 | rooly | and don't install illume-theme |
| 04:01.30 | Zeroth__ | lol |
| 04:01.33 | Zeroth__ | good to know |
| 04:02.04 | Zeroth__ | I really can't wait for friday's update. Thanks for the answers guys. |
| 04:03.17 | brian|lfs | interesting I didn't know there is a red light on the openmoko |
| 04:03.25 | brian|lfs | its liight up on mine |
| 04:03.45 | xhrit | ... |
| 04:03.46 | xhrit | http://rafb.net/p/vZIB5F51.html |
| 04:03.57 | safiiru | brian|lfs: Mine was red yesterday, but it is not red today. |
| 04:04.14 | rooly | did you ifdown it first, xhrit ? |
| 04:04.45 | safiiru | brian|lfs: I must mean something, but I don't know what. |
| 04:04.53 | safiiru | s/I/It/ |
| 04:04.57 | brian|lfs | apperantly it just means its chargign or plugged into the usb port |
| 04:05.17 | brian|lfs | becuase when you unplug it goes off |
| 04:05.49 | safiiru | Ok, it must just mean it is presently charging then. It must turn off when the battery is full. |
| 04:06.12 | safiiru | Mine is plugged into usb right now but it is off, probably beacuse it's full. |
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| 04:07.58 | xhrit | rooly: yeah, i tried dropping it first |
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| 04:08.17 | RayDar | wonders how to compile qtopia-opensource-src-4.3.2-snapshot-20080807.tar.gz (for his GTA01) |
| 04:08.42 | xhrit | heh, trying it now give me this : |
| 04:08.48 | xhrit | ifdown: interface eth0 not configured |
| 04:09.09 | xhrit | but ifconfig clearly shows it as being up. |
| 04:09.23 | brian|lfs | hmm wifi still don't work on 20088 |
| 04:09.44 | brian|lfs | its closer to working then on the previous rootfs image |
| 04:10.24 | safiiru | You can get 2008.8 on your wifi pretty easily, but the GUI setup doesn't seem to work. |
| 04:10.54 | safiiru | brian|lfs: You'll have to be ssh'd to it over usb or in a terminal to do it. |
| 04:11.35 | brian|lfs | I can't ssh on this rootfs build |
| 04:11.35 | ozzloy | rwhitby: flashing works. flashing rootfs right now, kernel next |
| 04:11.39 | brian|lfs | the last one let me lol |
| 04:11.47 | rooly | can someone copy off their illume-theme-freesmartphone package for me? |
| 04:11.50 | brian|lfs | they broke it on thsi build |
| 04:12.17 | safiiru | brian|lfs: If you go set up wifi the same way as you did in 2007.2 it should work. |
| 04:13.35 | brian|lfs | if I could ssh into my openmoko lol |
| 04:13.55 | safiiru | Can you do it via usb? |
| 04:14.09 | rooly | do what? |
| 04:14.12 | safiiru | I had to ssh over usb and set up my wifi first. |
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| 04:14.28 | safiiru | rooly: do IT! |
| 04:14.32 | safiiru | :) |
| 04:14.37 | rooly | ic, hmm, dunno |
| 04:14.48 | rooly | but i sure do need that illume-theme-freesmartphone package |
| 04:14.58 | xhrit | heheh |
| 04:15.19 | brian|lfs | Ic an't by usb thats what I'm saying |
| 04:15.27 | brian|lfs | they broke somthing on this rootfs version |
| 04:15.37 | rooly | xhrit, mind trying? |
| 04:15.41 | rooly | is almost desparate |
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| 04:20.37 | MadTBone | is there a build of tangogps that takes advantage of FSO? |
| 04:23.18 | rwhitby | MadTBone: fso milestone 2 has tangogps-fso included |
| 04:23.31 | rwhitby | (as do recent fso builds from OE) |
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| 04:23.59 | MadTBone | rwhitby: really....I didn't realize that! thanks |
| 04:25.03 | rwhitby | MadTBone: you can get daily FSO images from http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D |
| 04:25.14 | rwhitby | alphaone does them |
| 04:25.27 | rwhitby | (only for gta02 though) |
| 04:27.35 | MadTBone | rwhitby: thanks! is there a changelog to be found anywhere? |
| 04:28.29 | rwhitby | http://cia.vc/stats/project/freesmartphone.org |
| 04:29.26 | rwhitby | there may or may not be a delay from changes in the git repo to being included in the daily images |
| 04:30.09 | kd8ikt | hey i read in the kismet manual something about support for newer atheros cards use source "darwin" liek source=darwin,eth0,neo |
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| 04:30.34 | MadTBone | rwhitby: excellent. thanks for the info |
| 04:30.37 | kd8ikt | that would sure rock if it magicly worked |
| 04:30.40 | safiiru | kd8ikt: I remember reading that, but i think it was talking about the airport extreams |
| 04:30.57 | kd8ikt | +newer atheros |
| 04:31.14 | kd8ikt | then again i was playing with /trunk |
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| 04:33.12 | safiiru | I think it is certain atheros ones that are actually able to do arbirary 802.11 packet construction. |
| 04:33.25 | xhrit | rooly? |
| 04:33.29 | xhrit | what do you neeD? |
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| 04:35.06 | rooly | i need to aquire the illume-theme-freesmartphone package |
| 04:37.32 | peepsalot | anyone here dissasembled their freerunner? |
| 04:39.27 | peepsalot | looks like some plastic has been mangled on mine, near the speaker contacts. I don't think i did that during disassembly, Was wondering if this was something done at factory |
| 04:39.41 | peepsalot | like some of the white plastic has been cut away |
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| 04:43.47 | ozzloy | hey http://pastebin.com/d1f8bbf35 this is on the 2008.08.07 rootfs |
| 04:43.59 | ozzloy | is the ip different now? |
| 04:46.12 | safiiru | nope |
| 04:46.29 | ozzloy | rwhitby: thanks for the heads up about the kernel |
| 04:46.31 | safiiru | type route, it may not know which interface to route 192.168.0.0 through |
| 04:47.12 | rwhitby | MadTBone, ozzloy: no worries. |
| 04:47.16 | rooly | found it |
| 04:47.17 | rooly | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/workdir/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/illume-theme-freesmartphone-0.0+gitr5cdedae0e45911ef10f6966587e7f3e842b5d2bd-r0/staging-pkg/deploy/glibc/ipk/all/ |
| 04:47.21 | ozzloy | http://pastebin.com/d7149a0cc safiiru |
| 04:48.36 | GirlRiver | does qtopia support calls via bluetooth or is Bluetooth only for file transfer ? |
| 04:49.27 | ozzloy | GirlRiver: is your name from firefly? |
| 04:49.43 | rooly | FREAKIN hell |
| 04:49.53 | rooly | searched for an hour for that |
| 04:49.58 | safiiru | ozzloy: Looks correct, can you ping 192.168.0.202? |
| 04:49.59 | rooly | i have no idea where i found this link tho |
| 04:50.58 | ozzloy | http://pastebin.com/d31039bfc nope |
| 04:51.04 | safiiru | ozzloy; I suppose not, with the no route to host from before.. hmm. |
| 04:51.16 | ozzloy | idk, lol T_T |
| 04:52.08 | rooly | got it |
| 04:52.17 | GirlRiver | ozzloy, as in the sci fi ? No .. |
| 04:53.08 | rooly | has video of the FR running 3d |
| 04:53.24 | safiiru | rooly: url? |
| 04:53.42 | rooly | wait |
| 04:53.48 | rooly | i'm getting it off my camera |
| 04:53.49 | ozzloy | rooly: ooOOooh |
| 04:54.16 | ozzloy | GirlRiver: yeah, the sci-fi |
| 04:56.42 | GirlRiver | ozzloy, : no link to River Tam ot Firefly ... do you know if bluetooth headset is supported in in Qtopia ? |
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| 04:59.13 | dingman | GirlRiver: Don't know what it's supposed to do, but when I tried to pair QTopia with my Camry's handsfree system, it hung the phone. |
| 05:01.41 | theocrite | 'nmatin |
| 05:03.51 | ozzloy | GirlRiver: no i don't know. though i am interested because i'd like to do that |
| 05:05.52 | GirlRiver | does anyone know if OM has a working alsa state file for bluetooth audio |
| 05:05.56 | ozzloy | how do i get terminal on the 2008.08.07 image? |
| 05:06.02 | *** join/#openmoko Infinyte (n=Infinyte@66-146-252-212.gtmc.net) |
| 05:06.14 | Infinyte | Woohoo |
| 05:06.19 | Infinyte | How's 2008.8? |
| 05:06.24 | Infinyte | Is it AWESOME? |
| 05:06.56 | rwhitby | on my gta01, there is an ugly black bar horizontally across the middle of the screen |
| 05:07.06 | rwhitby | apart from that, 2008.08 looks ok |
| 05:07.18 | Infinyte | o_O |
| 05:07.20 | Infinyte | Interesting |
| 05:07.31 | safiiru | I'm beginning to think it's better now. |
| 05:07.33 | Infinyte | Is the one they have up for download the actual 2008.8 release? |
| 05:07.47 | Infinyte | Or will that be on the 8th? |
| 05:08.33 | rwhitby | Infinyte: current is just the daily, not the final release |
| 05:08.43 | rwhitby | they have 2 days to fix stuff still, so they will use them. |
| 05:08.48 | Infinyte | That's what I figured. |
| 05:08.54 | Infinyte | Kay I'll wait |
| 05:08.58 | Infinyte | I think I'm gonna try the FSO |
| 05:08.59 | Infinyte | :o |
| 05:09.38 | GirlRiver | dingman, yep .. paired it with the Jawbone and it locked the phone up |
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| 05:10.03 | rwhitby | app startup sure is slow though |
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| 05:13.52 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: hi my mokomake doesn't work :( --- this is on ubuntu hardy with the security thing set to be 0 / other thing set ... it gets an error to do with making linux-open... kernel |
| 05:14.18 | rwhitby | dbmoodb: missing *_gps.h file? |
| 05:15.01 | rwhitby | neo1973_pm_gps.h in particular? |
| 05:15.10 | rwhitby | is that the error? |
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| 05:15.41 | Torikun1 | Hello |
| 05:15.49 | dbmoodb_ | ah rwhitby let me reboot and then check. |
| 05:15.51 | Torikun1 | Any qtopia users here |
| 05:15.55 | dbmoodb_ | its for 2007.2 |
| 05:16.01 | Infinyte | I am-ish. |
| 05:16.05 | Infinyte | Watcha need Tori? |
| 05:16.21 | Torikun1 | updating opkg upgraed messes up my install |
| 05:16.26 | Torikun1 | the gui will not boot |
| 05:16.47 | ljp | Torikun1: me |
| 05:17.02 | Torikun1 | What ljp? |
| 05:17.16 | ljp | < Torikun1> Any qtopia users here |
| 05:17.29 | Torikun1 | ljp: How can I update without breaking my sys |
| 05:17.54 | ljp | you mean opkg update? |
| 05:18.00 | ljp | er upgrade |
| 05:18.02 | Torikun1 | Yes |
| 05:18.11 | ljp | hmmm.. havent looked into that |
| 05:18.23 | ljp | why do you need to update the system? |
| 05:18.30 | Torikun1 | sstay up2date |
| 05:18.31 | Torikun1 | lol |
| 05:18.42 | Torikun1 | Is it possible to get wifi working |
| 05:18.52 | Torikun1 | I noticed that the eth0 is listed in ifconfig |
| 05:19.03 | ljp | yes. I should have it worked out in the next updated image |
| 05:19.32 | kd8ikt | turning off wifi at boot? |
| 05:19.46 | *** join/#openmoko Fossi (n=fossi@d054219.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 05:19.47 | Torikun1 | When will that be ljp? Will it have a gui? |
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| 05:20.13 | Torikun1 | qtopia is the best OS for the Free Runner at this time, like it |
| 05:20.20 | brian|lfs | I'm confused |
| 05:20.25 | Infinyte | I agree, for the moment. |
| 05:20.30 | rwhitby | Torikun1 knows how to butter ljp up :-) |
| 05:20.33 | Infinyte | But, I wish they'd release version 4.4 |
| 05:20.40 | Infinyte | I wants the browser. :< |
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| 05:20.46 | brian|lfs | I either get roofs that don't downlaod to my openmoko or I get oens that download that I can't even ssh into with a usb cable |
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| 05:21.37 | brian|lfs | I have to say either my openmoko has bad memory or my comptuers hard drive is deing or the openmoko ftp is shitting the bed |
| 05:21.42 | brian|lfs | and givng me bad images |
| 05:22.01 | ljp | Torikun1: qtopia already has a gui for internet settings |
| 05:22.22 | brian|lfs | ya but it don't work at the moement |
| 05:22.29 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: paste filename and md5sum and I can check it for you |
| 05:22.37 | Torikun1 | wifi ? |
| 05:22.44 | brian|lfs | how would I md5 sumb in windows |
| 05:22.57 | kd8ikt | md5sum.exe |
| 05:23.09 | brian|lfs | ok |
| 05:23.44 | brian|lfs | thanks found it in two seconds |
| 05:24.15 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: you realise that using windows to do all this means you're likely to run into stuff that most other people haven't seen? |
| 05:24.38 | Infinyte | What's windows? |
| 05:24.49 | rwhitby | as long as you're prepared for that, it's fine. but if you want a stress-free life I'd consider using a linux box to connect freerunner up to ... |
| 05:25.06 | brian|lfs | b63c77cfcc4fbec62ec7e4a9fc955bee *openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080730-om-gta0 |
| 05:25.06 | brian|lfs | 1.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 05:25.18 | brian|lfs | you think so the file for linux is identical |
| 05:25.26 | brian|lfs | even the linux file runs in windows |
| 05:25.41 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: that's about the timeframe that the usb modules were broken, isn't it? |
| 05:25.50 | Torikun1 | wireless says not conneccted |
| 05:26.13 | brian|lfs | not sure I've only had my openmoko a few days |
| 05:26.46 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: URL for that file please? |
| 05:26.56 | brian|lfs | hold a sec |
| 05:27.11 | brian|lfs | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080730-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 05:27.26 | Torikun1 | ooks like qtopia is not picking uo the qtopia network card, when doing a scan, says not connected |
| 05:27.30 | Infinyte | Erm. |
| 05:27.34 | Infinyte | Brian. |
| 05:27.43 | Infinyte | Do you have the Neo Freerunner or the Neo 1973? |
| 05:27.43 | brian|lfs | ya |
| 05:27.51 | rwhitby | just noticed that too |
| 05:27.52 | brian|lfs | I have the freerunner |
| 05:27.55 | marlinnhag_ | Ontop of my battery bar in FSO it say "b G2 w s" the "G2" part switches back and forth between G1 and G2 what does that mean? |
| 05:27.59 | rwhitby | you want a gta02 image then |
| 05:28.14 | Infinyte | Erm.. You need the one that has gta02 at the end there, not gta01. |
| 05:28.27 | rwhitby | marlinnhag_: two programs subscribed to GSM messages on dbus |
| 05:28.28 | brian|lfs | oh |
| 05:28.33 | brian|lfs | learn something new everyday |
| 05:28.42 | Infinyte | Heh |
| 05:28.48 | brian|lfs | why is gta the mouldes only for hte neto1973 |
| 05:29.07 | rwhitby | use the .summary file |
| 05:29.14 | Infinyte | gta01 ones are for the Neo1973, gta02 is for the Freerunner |
| 05:29.14 | brian|lfs | ok |
| 05:29.23 | ljp | Torikun1: th elatest image I made wifi was a bit borked |
| 05:29.25 | ozzloy | hey rooly, can you ping me when you paste the link to the 3d vid? |
| 05:29.57 | brian|lfs | I'm just trying to get a iamge back on my neo that wifi and ssh work in |
| 05:30.02 | brian|lfs | qtopia they didn't |
| 05:30.03 | marlinnhag_ | Has anyone had success, having FSO reliably register to the AT&T network mine seems to come and go randomly.. |
| 05:30.36 | safiiru | Why is there a neo1973 repo on the fr? Is it ok that opkg upgrade is installing packages (kernel modules etc.) from this repo? |
| 05:31.50 | rwhitby | safiiru: as long as there is no om-gta01 repo you're fine |
| 05:31.55 | brian|lfs | ok gta2 file is loading |
| 05:32.05 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: http://pastebin.com/d44750845 |
| 05:32.14 | safiiru | rwhitby: ok |
| 05:32.19 | brian|lfs | I didn't need to rename the extensiona t the end did I? |
| 05:32.20 | safiiru | rwhitby: thanks |
| 05:32.26 | rwhitby | the neo1973 one is an old name and has stuff that works for both I think |
| 05:32.38 | safiiru | Oh I see. |
| 05:32.48 | safiiru | I thought gta01 was the 1973. |
| 05:32.52 | rwhitby | it is |
| 05:32.55 | Infinyte | It is. |
| 05:32.55 | brian|lfs | did the md5 match mien rwhitby |
| 05:33.19 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: I didn't check since it was gta01 |
| 05:33.32 | brian|lfs | ohok noprob |
| 05:33.39 | dbmoodb_ | and rwhitby http://pastebin.com/d1817b161 --- for the full thing |
| 05:33.49 | brian|lfs | makes sense now that I know gta01 don't work |
| 05:34.03 | brian|lfs | now that I think about it the only images that downlaoded where gta02 |
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| 05:34.23 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: yep - XorA|gone was supposed to fix that. Ping him regularly about it until he does ;-) |
| 05:34.36 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: i want to build an app |
| 05:34.39 | dbmoodb_ | and i can't |
| 05:34.58 | rwhitby | which app? |
| 05:35.17 | dbmoodb_ | linphone or some other sip / voip client for 2007.2 (i know 2008.8 is now "out") |
| 05:35.18 | rwhitby | you may have built enough already to build an app |
| 05:35.26 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: didn't work |
| 05:35.30 | brian|lfs | wtf it bombed out a gta2 image |
| 05:36.04 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: can't help you then, unless you want to get deep into OpenEmbedded bitbake recipes and monotone ... |
| 05:36.43 | brian|lfs | can you md5sum the gta2 you told me to use |
| 05:37.13 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: URL? |
| 05:37.34 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: well... is it that i didn't go make openmoko toolchain ? |
| 05:37.36 | brian|lfs | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary |
| 05:37.40 | Infinyte | Anyone know when Qtopia is releasing version 4.4? |
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| 05:38.17 | GirlRiver | is anyone running tangogps on Qtopia ? |
| 05:38.23 | brian|lfs | I get 09db3e4dcf205b33bd6269699ea1e133 for that file |
| 05:38.50 | Torikun1 | I take it qtopia does not scan for ifi networkats as of right now ? |
| 05:39.05 | ljp | Infinyte: a few weeks. 4.3.3 will be sooner than that |
| 05:39.16 | ljp | Torikun1: it can yes |
| 05:39.29 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: Torikun1 wifi works ? |
| 05:39.33 | Infinyte | I'm not sure about GUI-wise, but you can do it manually via the Terminal by doing this: iwconfig eth0 essid TheRouterWifi ; udhcpc eth0 |
| 05:40.03 | Infinyte | But 4.3.3 won't have the browser will it? :< |
| 05:40.34 | *** join/#openmoko cvdstap (n=cvdstap@a80-126-48-177.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 05:40.40 | Infinyte | Oh. >_> Substitute TheRouterWifi for your SSID. |
| 05:40.53 | dbmoodb_ | XorA|gone: you have been pinged. fix the damn problem |
| 05:41.10 | brian|lfs | slow internet huh rwhitby |
| 05:41.26 | Torikun1 | how |
| 05:41.40 | rwhitby | brian|lfs: you're not my highest priority |
| 05:41.48 | brian|lfs | oh lol |
| 05:41.49 | rwhitby | sorry to burst the bubble ;-) |
| 05:41.52 | Infinyte | Oo burn. |
| 05:41.53 | brian|lfs | its all good dude |
| 05:42.03 | Torikun1 | Is qtopia released monthly weekly ? |
| 05:42.16 | brian|lfs | horuly right now lol |
| 05:42.24 | Torikun1 | lol |
| 05:42.35 | rwhitby | 09db3e4dcf205b33bd6269699ea1e133 openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary |
| 05:42.36 | *** join/#openmoko buz (n=buz@84-72-53-89.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 05:42.54 | Infinyte | Whoohoo, they match. Big surprise. :D |
| 05:43.10 | brian|lfs | looks identical thanks |
| 05:43.11 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: XorA|gone responds better to polite requests ... |
| 05:43.27 | Infinyte | Or force powers. |
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| 05:44.08 | dbmoodb_ | wait... rwhitby :) sorry XorA|gone please fix the damn problem ? |
| 05:44.12 | dbmoodb_ | just kidding |
| 05:44.29 | dbmoodb_ | XorA|gone: please fix the problem so we can make stuff nicely using rwhitby 's cool tool |
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| 05:45.01 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: perhaps i need to edit the makefile --- and alter all references of /openmoko to /openembedded ? |
| 05:45.37 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: once XorA|gone commits the revision which adds back that file that Andy forgot to commit, then MokoMakefile should work fine. |
| 05:46.06 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: oh where is the file ... can i download it ? |
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| 05:46.41 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: I believe it's in git somewhere, and I think someone just needs to bump some version somewhere so it will be found |
| 05:46.59 | rwhitby | quite a specific answer, I know ... |
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| 05:47.42 | dbmoodb_ | oh ok .... so... what it is called .... / where exactly should i look for it because i'm been frustrated at using your nice app and hitting this silly bug (seems to be a small issue) |
| 05:47.44 | rwhitby | has only been building fso from OE using nslu2-linux master makefile while waiting for XorA|gone to fix openmoko .dev repo |
| 05:48.10 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: I pasted the filename above I think |
| 05:48.18 | dbmoodb_ | oh.... |
| 05:48.22 | rwhitby | some gps header file |
| 05:48.59 | rwhitby | I expect git.openmoko.org has it somewhere in the kernel repo |
| 05:49.29 | safiiru | It is too bad that the x server is not double buffered so everything doesn't tear apart when it animates. |
| 05:49.34 | dbmoodb_ | ah can't find the filename... |
| 05:49.50 | rwhitby | it's in your pastebin too |
| 05:49.51 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: you can't post it somewhere ? easy to access so it can be linked from the wiki ... |
| 05:49.57 | dbmoodb_ | oh its that file ? |
| 05:50.06 | rwhitby | arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/mach-gta02.c:88:44: error: ../plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_gps.h: No such file or directory |
| 05:50.28 | dbmoodb_ | yeah... ok so i should try git ? |
| 05:50.37 | dingman | safiiru, I'll take tearing animations if I can have the UI bits of 2008.8 stop disappearing when I try to use them :) |
| 05:50.49 | safiiru | Heh |
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| 05:51.02 | dingman | Speaking of, does anyone have anything constructive a sysadmin-type could do to help nail that issue down? |
| 05:51.35 | *** part/#openmoko pea (n=pea@adsl-68-23-85-172.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) |
| 05:52.53 | lindi- | dingman: i'm still trying to figure out how to build all this stuff :) |
| 05:52.53 | marlinnhag_ | Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here OR why it is telling me this??? |
| 05:52.55 | marlinnhag_ | marlinnhag@marlinnhag-desktop:~$ ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uimage_2008_07_16_gta02_73eeb0333fc771cb696ff9bf17c517c741434b59.bin |
| 05:52.55 | marlinnhag_ | dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. |
| 05:52.55 | marlinnhag_ | This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY |
| 05:52.56 | marlinnhag_ | Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000... |
| 05:52.56 | marlinnhag_ | Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... |
| 05:52.57 | marlinnhag_ | Cannot claim interface: could not claim interface 2: Operation not permitted |
| 05:53.04 | *** join/#openmoko josua (n=josua@0x4dd4ced5.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 05:53.10 | kd8ikt | dont ever paste like that again |
| 05:53.19 | kd8ikt | and next time make suyre youre root |
| 05:53.38 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: are you an aussie? |
| 05:54.06 | dbmoodb_ | yep |
| 05:54.23 | rwhitby | for a fellow aussie, I'll give you an URL |
| 05:54.24 | rwhitby | http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_gps.h;h=42d385ae1112947de3c4d88c65b82ac17fd96b47;hb=stable |
| 05:54.31 | dbmoodb_ | i think i found it already tho rofl |
| 05:54.32 | kd8ikt | shell should look like root@marlinnhag-desktop:~$ or use sudo |
| 05:54.44 | dbmoodb_ | yeah i had sorry -- already found it via the magic of google |
| 05:54.50 | dbmoodb_ | eyah sorry * i had* |
| 05:54.51 | rwhitby | a huge one liner |
| 05:54.54 | dbmoodb_ | 'yeah* damn |
| 05:55.07 | dbmoodb_ | so why hasn't it been pushed through ? |
| 05:55.34 | dingman | kd8ikt, marlinnhag_: kd8ikt means 'root@marlinnhag-desktop:~#' |
| 05:55.37 | marlinnhag_ | Thank you... Duh... Sorry about the paste just didnt know how else to get it across |
| 05:55.56 | kd8ikt | permision denied would have sufficed |
| 05:56.23 | rwhitby | ~pastebin |
| 05:56.23 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 05:56.28 | rwhitby | marlinnhag_: ^^ |
| 05:56.36 | kd8ikt | heh dingman yeah i forgot to put # |
| 05:57.00 | dingman | kd8ikt, I figured you actually did mean # |
| 05:57.08 | marlinnhag_ | Thank you... |
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| 05:57.08 | catsup | but when you ask a stupid question nobody ever looks at the pastebin :( |
| 05:57.24 | TankC | Hooray! My freerunner will be here in a week :) |
| 05:57.31 | dingman | Also figured that if marlinnhag_ was a Linux newbie the translation might not be so obvious. |
| 05:57.37 | kd8ikt | or when you spell ketchup catsup |
| 05:57.58 | rwhitby | catsup: au contraire, I never help unless there is a pastebin, cause otherwise you have to trust that people are interpreting the output correctly |
| 05:58.49 | dbmoodb_ | ah.... rwhitby where do i put said file ? |
| 05:58.58 | catsup | well when someone says, APACHE DOSNT WORK HERE IS MY APACCHE.CONF http://pastebin... |
| 05:59.11 | catsup | it's very unlikely that link wlil get clicked |
| 05:59.18 | rwhitby | e.g. if marlinnhag_ had just said "permission denied" it could have been that he didn't have permissions to actually run the dfu-util executable for some weird reason, as opposed to not being able to open the usb interface |
| 05:59.37 | rwhitby | catsup: yeah, any all caps will make me ignore it. |
| 06:00.32 | catsup | i included two other major stupidities in that question, i hope you saw them all |
| 06:00.34 | rwhitby | but if someone says "I want to do this, I tried this, I expected this to happen, but this happened instead, I used these google search terms to try and find an answer, and here is a pastebin of my apache config file", then there's a good chance someone helpful will look at it |
| 06:00.34 | kd8ikt | http://pastebin.com/d711b22b0 |
| 06:01.03 | rwhitby | assumes that a NSFW link ... |
| 06:01.07 | catsup | rwhitby: yeah. that's not a stupid question... |
| 06:01.28 | kd8ikt | ;) |
| 06:01.29 | rwhitby | catsup: ah, true - you did originally specific a stupid question. my bad :-) |
| 06:01.39 | rwhitby | s/specific/specify/ |
| 06:01.48 | catsup | holy shit |
| 06:01.59 | catsup | a regex bot |
| 06:02.13 | catsup | s/(r)e(g)e(x)/\3\2\1/ |
| 06:02.14 | kgoetz | lol |
| 06:02.24 | rwhitby | apt is not that smart |
| 06:02.25 | catsup | wtf |
| 06:02.48 | safiiru | Yeah I didn't know when I said a s/// earlier that was what triggered apt. |
| 06:04.11 | catsup | s/.*/what the fuck/ |
| 06:04.23 | catsup | man, that sucks |
| 06:04.29 | rwhitby | pity apt doesn't elide coarse language ... |
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| 06:05.45 | dbmoodb_ | ~rude |
| 06:05.46 | apt | i heard rude is making me tell people things that they dont want to be told |
| 06:06.01 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: to answer your last question would require you to learn about bitbake stamps and such - are you up for that first, or do you want to wait for XorA|gone ? |
| 06:06.18 | dbmoodb_ | XorA|gone: well .... i'm not sure |
| 06:06.28 | catsup | um |
| 06:06.40 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: isn't there another who can fix it ? |
| 06:07.01 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: i'm happy to have a go ... don't expect much from me tho... i'm new to this mostly |
| 06:07.15 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: only another openmoko staff member with commit privs |
| 06:07.15 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: this is why i use debian.... ... .... |
| 06:07.16 | marlinnhag_ | Ok. So corrected one one dumb error. now I run that command and get: No such Alternate Setting: "kernel" |
| 06:07.30 | rwhitby | marlinnhag_: device in uboot menu? |
| 06:07.32 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: want to tell me what / point me in the correct direction |
| 06:07.58 | marlinnhag_ | yup its in Uboot it says DFU mode Device_ configured |
| 06:09.01 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: it'll be somewhere under build/tmp/... and you'll need be able to hit a specific bitbake target running bitbake manually |
| 06:09.11 | dbmoodb_ | ok |
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| 06:09.47 | rwhitby | marlinnhag_: try without the -R |
| 06:10.24 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: should i just put fso on my phone then ? |
| 06:11.15 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: so how would i do the bitbaking ? |
| 06:11.15 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: heh - a drastic measure :-) |
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| 06:11.41 | orzo | the phone's two major problems are low battery life and annoying echo heard by people on the other phone |
| 06:11.46 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: you need to find the correct kernel bitbake build command which does not try and re-unpack the sources but just builds from your modified sources including the new file |
| 06:11.56 | orzo | anybody agree with that? |
| 06:12.11 | dbmoodb_ | orzo: does the echo actually occur ? |
| 06:12.24 | orzo | my conversation partners say yes |
| 06:12.32 | orzo | and they tell me to get another damn phone |
| 06:12.35 | catsup | it's probably a conspiracy |
| 06:12.37 | jOERG_rw | apt: greet rwhitby! |
| 06:12.38 | apt | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on rwhitby! |
| 06:12.47 | catsup | the kind of people you associate with cannot be trusted |
| 06:12.55 | catsup | they're just jealous |
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| 06:13.10 | marlinnhag_ | rwhitby_: Same response |
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| 06:13.22 | rwhitby | jOERG_rw: hi - that's cold! |
| 06:13.35 | rwhitby | ~lart jOERG_rw |
| 06:13.35 | apt | judo chops jOERG_rw |
| 06:13.45 | dingman | orzo: All I've had anyone mention is the buzzing issue, which I gather is known, and has been minor for me so far. |
| 06:14.02 | rwhitby | jOERG_rw: did you mean to make the schematics location public in that Trac ticket? |
| 06:14.07 | dbmoodb_ | ~moo |
| 06:14.07 | apt | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 06:14.15 | orzo | maybe we should talk on the phone dingman |
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| 06:14.18 | orzo | heh |
| 06:14.19 | rwhitby | ~emulate rwhitby |
| 06:14.19 | apt | Well, my work here is done. |
| 06:14.21 | jOERG_rw | rwhitby: kinda |
| 06:14.36 | dingman | orzo, you in the US? |
| 06:14.40 | orzo | yeah |
| 06:14.53 | rwhitby | jOERG_rw: you were waiting to see who would break the news before the public announcement? |
| 06:15.04 | dingman | ponders the wisdom of giving out a phone number on IRC... |
| 06:15.08 | orzo | heh |
| 06:15.08 | jOERG_rw | :-) |
| 06:15.15 | rwhitby | (to see who's watching closely ...) |
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| 06:15.55 | rwhitby | (for those not in the know, jOERG_rw posted the location of the GTA02 schematics on one of the mailing list - your challenge, should you accept it, is to find that message) |
| 06:15.56 | dingman | this chat is logged, right? |
| 06:16.01 | rwhitby | ~logs |
| 06:16.02 | apt | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 06:16.03 | jOERG_rw | Steve is supposed to announce it on Linuxworld |
| 06:16.09 | Bish | yes so dont say something bad |
| 06:16.10 | railer | news you say? |
| 06:16.12 | dbmoodb_ | ponders why dingman doesn't have a spare sip in preparation for irc |
| 06:16.25 | dbmoodb_ | sim* |
| 06:16.52 | railer | I like Windows Vista! |
| 06:17.03 | catsup | irc people aren't like normal people |
| 06:17.06 | dingman | hunh? |
| 06:17.11 | rwhitby | jOERG_rw: are the '01 schematics close behind? |
| 06:17.13 | catsup | if you give them a phone number they are sure to stalk you with it |
| 06:17.16 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: has a linux "virus" |
| 06:17.21 | dbmoodb_ | sorry -- meant railer |
| 06:17.24 | linuxxr | no way |
| 06:17.27 | catsup | irc people are all degenerate perverts |
| 06:17.32 | linuxxr | oo |
| 06:17.32 | dbmoodb_ | damn tab comp.... railer has a linux virus |
| 06:17.39 | jOERG_rw | rwhitby: have a look! |
| 06:17.55 | dingman | catsup, clearly. How else can I explain my presence? |
| 06:17.56 | catsup | especially this orzo fellow, he has a sick mind |
| 06:17.57 | rwhitby | doh! |
| 06:18.12 | railer | "Bish: yes so dont say something bad": There now you can say anything, no one can beat what I said. |
| 06:18.16 | catsup | you wouldn't believe what he was saying on undernet #anarchism |
| 06:18.18 | jOERG_rw | component placemet gta01 already in wiki somewhere |
| 06:18.22 | rwhitby | jOERG_rw: sweet, thx. |
| 06:18.27 | Bish | np |
| 06:18.46 | dbmoodb_ | railer: windows vista in a active directory attempting to join and failing whilst a windows server 2008 is the gateway |
| 06:19.07 | rwhitby | jOERG_rw: 15 pages, loud and clear, thanks. |
| 06:19.21 | jOERG_rw | welcome |
| 06:20.12 | rwhitby | jOERG_rw: don't tell anyone that you were going to do it anyway, so I can brag that my passionate email to Sean caused the schematics to be released ;-) |
| 06:20.17 | tunys | doc|home? |
| 06:20.18 | tunys | heh |
| 06:20.39 | jOERG_rw | rwhitby: ok! ;-) |
| 06:21.07 | jOERG_rw | rwhitby: in fact I thought you were hired by Steve to trigger the public thread |
| 06:21.20 | lindi- | can anybody reach www.openembedded.org/? |
| 06:21.34 | rwhitby | if I was, I haven't received the cheque, or a 900MHz GTA02, yet ... |
| 06:21.48 | jOERG_rw | :-D |
| 06:22.17 | catsup | has anyone else had the same problems as orzo? |
| 06:22.31 | rwhitby | (the 850 pre-release they sent me doesn't register too well on the Aussie 900/1800/1900 networks, and also seems to have glamo nwait problems) |
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| 06:23.55 | dingman | lindi-, no, traceroute stops 16 hops out. Last responding ip is 80.81.246.1 |
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| 06:25.32 | rwhitby | looks for the GTA01 component placement info ... |
| 06:26.14 | railer | So what was the breaking news? |
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| 06:28.05 | orzo | where is the mic located |
| 06:28.13 | Bish | orzo: same as mono speaker |
| 06:28.16 | Bish | on the other side |
| 06:28.24 | jOERG_rw | exactly |
| 06:28.31 | orzo | what |
| 06:28.40 | jOERG_rw | that round little thing |
| 06:28.51 | rwhitby | railer: release of schematics for gta02 and gta02 |
| 06:28.57 | railer | any notice the phone is for "righties" only? |
| 06:29.12 | dbmoodb_ | railer: no |
| 06:29.20 | GirlRiver | railer: yes |
| 06:29.28 | kgoetz | hows that? :o |
| 06:29.35 | orzo | i mean the mouthpiece mic |
| 06:29.47 | dbmoodb_ | orzo: does it matter ? |
| 06:29.48 | jOERG_rw | ozzloy: huh? |
| 06:29.52 | orzo | that's on the side of the phone? its not near where your mouth would talk to? |
| 06:29.53 | Bish | whats about the Monitor mode, will it come? |
| 06:29.54 | kgoetz | orzo: isnt there one each side? |
| 06:29.58 | dbmoodb_ | oh noes the sound will not travell |
| 06:30.06 | jOERG_rw | ozzloy: sorry |
| 06:30.06 | railer | Try holding the phone in your right hand while writing with your left |
| 06:30.07 | dbmoodb_ | Bish: for wifi ? |
| 06:30.16 | orzo | dont be sarcastic |
| 06:30.22 | Bish | dbmoodb_: yeah |
| 06:30.24 | orzo | i have echo problems |
| 06:30.30 | orzo | the damn mic is picking up the earpiece |
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| 06:30.49 | dbmoodb_ | hopes so --- unless some one can help me make a rt73 kernel module against the openmoko kernel i'm also stuck with the stock wireless |
| 06:30.53 | kgoetz | railer: the phone is a symetrical form, it cant be harder then holding in the left and writing |
| 06:30.54 | jOERG_rw | orzo: the handset mic is located near the lanyard hole, middle of the long axis |
| 06:31.00 | rwhitby | jOERG_rw: nope, looked through all the wiki images and couldn't find GTA01 component placement |
| 06:31.04 | jOERG_rw | err ON the long axis |
| 06:31.26 | jOERG_rw | shit, I *know* it's here |
| 06:31.28 | orzo | is it in the lanyard hole? |
| 06:31.29 | railer | kgoetz the ear speaker is on only one side |
| 06:31.35 | jOERG_rw | orzo: ye |
| 06:31.51 | orzo | is it visible? |
| 06:31.56 | kgoetz | mines in the middle above the screen - i assume i'm not special there |
| 06:32.19 | orzo | wouldn't a lanyard interfere with it then? |
| 06:32.32 | jOERG_rw | orzo: you see a little tiny hole in the case, when you look to lanyard hole |
| 06:32.51 | ozzloy | jOERG_rw: np |
| 06:33.05 | jOERG_rw | ozzloy: :-) |
| 06:33.57 | orzo | i think i see it |
| 06:34.07 | railer | holding the phone in left hand you have to hold the phone above mouth, phone pointing up, holding phone in right hand phone is pointing down in normal phone position. It's the mic location |
| 06:35.11 | railer | Had the mic been where the little hole is, this would not be a problem |
| 06:35.38 | orzo | the mic is not where the littel hole is? |
| 06:35.57 | railer | no, it's on the side |
| 06:36.03 | rwhitby | um, no. |
| 06:36.05 | orzo | so its not visible? |
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| 06:36.29 | rwhitby | speakers are on the side, mic is inside the hole, centrally located on the vertical axis |
| 06:36.38 | rwhitby | take it apart and look |
| 06:37.56 | rwhitby | it's the circle on the extreme left of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:GTA02_A5_PCB_PS.jpg |
| 06:38.04 | railer | seriously, cool nevermind |
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| 06:39.38 | orzo | the circle on teh left is pointing toward us |
| 06:39.58 | railer | so it 2008.8 out? |
| 06:40.23 | railer | so IS 2008.8 out |
| 06:40.26 | orzo | the hole is inside teh lanyard hole and would be pointing left in the picture |
| 06:41.12 | orzo | is the mic pointing left or upward toward the viewer? |
| 06:41.15 | rwhitby | orzo: the plastic casing channels the sound |
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| 06:42.36 | beni_ | railer: tomorrow |
| 06:42.37 | rwhitby | orzo: on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02a5_pcba_ps.JPG you can see the mic mounted |
| 06:43.52 | orzo | well can it be more sheilded from the earpiece somehow |
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| 06:44.20 | rwhitby | earpiece is right at the other end of the device ... |
| 06:44.30 | orzo | the sound is carying |
| 06:44.54 | orzo | unless theres some werid alsa configuratino causing my echo |
| 06:44.58 | rwhitby | you're assuming it's carrying through the air, and not an electrical coupling ... |
| 06:45.04 | Bish | what does the fso image has as.. "gsm-daemon" |
| 06:45.24 | rwhitby | Bish: it's built into the framework on gta02 |
| 06:45.33 | rwhitby | on gta01 it doesn't have one |
| 06:46.01 | orzo | well i'm told the echo improves or changes if i hold the phone differently |
| 06:46.27 | orzo | is my phone just a defective one? |
| 06:46.35 | orzo | other people dont have this problem? |
| 06:46.43 | rwhitby | dunno - have you told this to the guys on the support mailing list? |
| 06:46.49 | orzo | can i get it exchanged? |
| 06:46.49 | dbmoodb_ | orzo: it depends on who / where you are i guess |
| 06:46.59 | orzo | u.s. |
| 06:47.05 | orzo | florida |
| 06:47.06 | Bish | rwhitby: wut |
| 06:47.20 | rwhitby | Bish: ENOPARSE ... |
| 06:47.26 | Bish | rwhitby: wut |
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| 06:48.27 | methril | morning |
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| 06:48.43 | rwhitby | Bish: which language should I tell the google translator? |
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| 06:49.26 | jOERG_rw | rwhitby: sorry, compoplace actually was NOT in wiki for 01. See my folder, should be there now |
| 06:49.57 | Bish | rwhitby: jewish |
| 06:49.59 | rwhitby | jOERG_rw: chmod ugo+r please |
| 06:49.59 | jOERG_rw | s/sorry, /sorry, it seems/ |
| 06:50.16 | jOERG_rw | uhh :-/ |
| 06:50.46 | jOERG_rw | better? |
| 06:52.00 | rwhitby | yes, thanks. Got the same for GTA02 ;-) |
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| 06:52.23 | rwhitby | doh! he beat me again! |
| 06:52.49 | rwhitby | jOERG_rw: got that one too - thanks! |
| 06:54.11 | mmontour | jOERG_rw: thanks for the schematics |
| 06:54.13 | rwhitby | jOERG_rw: are the second and third pages of the GTA02 component placement PDF simply a mirror image of each other, or is there some deeper meaning? |
| 06:54.35 | BlackFog | mornin' |
| 06:55.40 | rwhitby | ah, I guess it's so you can more easily read the reversed identifiers |
| 06:55.46 | mmontour | orzo: It seems that most of the coupling between the earpiece speaker and the mic is through the inside of the case. At least, if you put your finger over the earpiece hole then the coupled audio gets louder |
| 06:56.11 | jOERG_rw | rwhitby: not sure, will ask to find out about it |
| 06:56.22 | rwhitby | wonders if you can get acoustic dampening material in a spray-in foam form ... |
| 06:56.53 | rwhitby | jOERG_rw: it makes sense now, cause some of the component names are reversed |
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| 06:57.56 | jOERG_rw | yea but THAT makes no sense to reverse names :-/ |
| 06:58.34 | rwhitby | maybe the resistors are placed upside down ;-) |
| 06:58.58 | jOERG_rw | rwhitby: muaahhaaaha :D |
| 06:59.26 | jOERG_rw | they are reversed inside out like a glove |
| 06:59.59 | jOERG_rw | strange effect of scotty's beaming we use to place the components ;-) |
| 06:59.59 | rwhitby | wonders how they do that without letting the magic blue smoke out ... |
| 07:00.29 | kgoetz | wonders if he should install 2008.8 at last |
| 07:00.49 | BobOfDoom | they're reversed on both pages though.. so how does that help? .. or do you hold a mirror up to the third page and you get the second page with reversed components...? XD |
| 07:01.53 | rwhitby | BobOfDoom: oh yeah, you're right. |
| 07:01.56 | Bish | which image u guys using? |
| 07:02.10 | rwhitby | jOERG_rw: please do ask - it makes no sense now :-) |
| 07:02.44 | jOERG_rw | maybe I can even find out WHO actually created those ;-) |
| 07:02.44 | rwhitby | has fso2 on gta02 and qtopia-x11 on gta01 at the moment, but it changes fairly often |
| 07:03.19 | jOERG_rw | bye! |
| 07:03.39 | rwhitby | jOERG_rw: I love the FBI-style blacked out parts on the GTA01 schematics :-) |
| 07:03.51 | Bish | rwhitby: likes FSO ms2, but needs sms support |
| 07:03.53 | jOERG_rw | great, no? |
| 07:04.23 | jOERG_rw | away |
| 07:04.42 | kd8ikt | ./ |
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| 07:06.09 | GirlRiver | which, if any, GPS is recommended to use on Qtopia ? |
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| 07:07.34 | kgoetz | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ still has 08.04.24. is that by design? |
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| 07:08.00 | Blalien | I get the followin error when I try to run the bluetooth headset script: importError: No module named dbus |
| 07:08.03 | kgoetz | http://downloads.openmoko.org/foresight/Publications/iPhone_3G_Disassembly.pdf 403 :( |
| 07:08.08 | Blalien | What can I do about this? |
| 07:08.16 | rwhitby | XorA|gone: OE org.oe.dev sane-srcrevs.inc linux-openmoko needs fixing |
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| 07:09.23 | rwhitby | kgoetz: email the guy who announced the foresight group on the mailing list? |
| 07:09.38 | linuxxr | what type og car charger is to be used on the freerunner? |
| 07:10.00 | lindi- | linuxxr: wiki lists many |
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| 07:10.20 | linuxxr | ok |
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| 07:11.11 | kgoetz | rwhitby: i didnt know such an announcement was made - i just noticed the link then. |
| 07:12.32 | rwhitby | the foresight group was announced somewhere |
| 07:13.03 | kgoetz | roger |
| 07:13.14 | kgoetz | isnt on any OM lists |
| 07:13.20 | kgoetz | (other then oz-moko, of course) |
| 07:13.44 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:15.24 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rfe45c9835262 10/packages/efl1/ (ecore.inc ecore_cvs.bb): ecore shoudl really get xdamag/composite support... if its ever used/desired... |
| 07:15.24 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rce8ef7a6a9fd 10/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/ (2 files in 2 dirs): turn on composite at runtime so it can be used.. if u run a compositemanager |
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| 07:17.38 | linuxxr | we have boots |
| 07:18.21 | linuxxr | i hope it works |
| 07:19.25 | linuxxr | looks hung at 59 % |
| 07:19.29 | linuxxr | nope |
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| 07:20.02 | safiiru | First boot it stays at 59% for a really long time. |
| 07:21.43 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8cf4433aadb7 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): and update efl and illume to fix focus issues qith qtopia and softmenu etc. |
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| 07:23.09 | aggtrfra1 | heh |
| 07:23.27 | linuxxr | that 2d game locked it up |
| 07:23.48 | safiiru | One of the version of the keyboard on 2008.8 has no backspace. |
| 07:23.50 | trickie|work | rwhitby: i made a bug about the sane-srcrev for linux-openmoko |
| 07:23.53 | trickie|work | rwhitby: http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4485 |
| 07:23.53 | aggtrfra1 | pidgin irc works on FR :) |
| 07:24.02 | rwhitby | trickie: XorA is on the case :-) |
| 07:24.21 | Bish | aggtrfra1: from where did u get pidgin :P |
| 07:24.35 | aggtrfrad | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/ |
| 07:24.42 | aggtrfrad | there are lots o dependencied |
| 07:24.57 | aggtrfrad | at the same repositorie u can find them |
| 07:25.10 | kgoetz | aggtrfrad: thats taking maschoism to an all new level |
| 07:25.11 | kgoetz | *sp |
| 07:25.17 | aggtrfrad | #PIDGIN MSN+IRC |
| 07:25.18 | aggtrfrad | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libpurple-plugin-ssl_2.2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 07:25.18 | aggtrfrad | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libpurple-plugin-ssl-gnutls_2.2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 07:25.18 | aggtrfrad | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libpurple-protocol-xmpp_2.2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 07:25.18 | aggtrfrad | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libpurple-libjabber_2.2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 07:25.18 | aggtrfrad | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libpurple-protocol-irc_2.2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 07:25.18 | trickie|work | rwhitby: cool |
| 07:25.20 | aggtrfrad | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/libpurple-protocol-msn_2.2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 07:25.22 | aggtrfrad | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/pidgin_2.2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 07:25.24 | aggtrfrad | thats all :p |
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| 07:25.50 | kgoetz | please dont flood :\ |
| 07:26.49 | rwhitby | ~pastebin |
| 07:26.49 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 07:26.51 | rwhitby | aggtrfra1: ^^ |
| 07:27.05 | aggtrfrad | okz :) |
| 07:27.36 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: XorA is on the case - should be a fix soon hopefully. |
| 07:27.48 | aggtrfrad | im gonna try msn |
| 07:27.55 | XorA | ${AUTOREV} fixes it :-) |
| 07:27.56 | *** part/#openmoko aggtrfra1 (n=root@CPE001346891e81-CM0018c0d9db72.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 07:28.08 | rwhitby | XorA: and breaks how many other things ;-) |
| 07:28.20 | XorA | rwhitby: you can do it just for kernel :-) |
| 07:28.28 | beni_ | w00t is http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080807/openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk--20080807-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 2008.8?? |
| 07:28.49 | rwhitby | XorA: yeah, but then I'll forget to take it out again ... |
| 07:29.04 | rwhitby | beni_: I'd expect it's a close relative ... |
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| 07:29.58 | beni_ | rwhitby: its a rc? |
| 07:30.01 | Bish | why so serious !? |
| 07:30.26 | lindi- | just started mokomakefile builds for 2007.2 and ASU, any idea what's are the probabilities that they will a) build b) boot c) work as well as my current 2007.2 image? ;)) |
| 07:31.08 | rwhitby | lindi-: if (a) then (b) and probably (c) |
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| 07:31.48 | XorA | has an autoreved 2007.2 working here |
| 07:31.59 | lindi- | rwhitby: thanks |
| 07:32.06 | lindi- | XorA: autoreved? |
| 07:32.13 | XorA | lindi-: latest everything |
| 07:32.20 | rwhitby | bleeding edge |
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| 07:33.02 | lindi- | rwhitby: if a && b && c can i d) edit ./openmoko/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/neod-main.c e) rebuild and f) install the neod*.ipk to freerunner without having to reflash everything just because i changed neod? |
| 07:33.05 | rwhitby | XorA: on a serious note, do you think MokoMakefile should continue to default to sane-srcrevs or use fso-autorev and moko-autorev? |
| 07:33.35 | rwhitby | lindi-: one would expect so |
| 07:33.57 | lindi- | rwhitby: ok, and then send mail to devel@ with a patch since i don't have svn write access? |
| 07:34.05 | beni_ | rwhitby: does it require some special kernel? or is a recent flashed okay? |
| 07:34.26 | rwhitby | beni_: you should always match kernel and rootfs |
| 07:35.03 | XorA | rwhitby: hard to say, autorev builds tend to break every second day |
| 07:35.28 | XorA | rwhitby: Ill try and update sane srcrevs today to what I am actually running |
| 07:35.34 | rwhitby | XorA: thx |
| 07:35.44 | XorA | quick fix for kernel first :_) |
| 07:36.50 | XorA | rwhitby: bugger knows about that compile issue BTW |
| 07:36.56 | beni_ | rwhitby: i cant find a kernel at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080807/ .... |
| 07:36.59 | beni_ | any hints? |
| 07:37.07 | rwhitby | XorA: I'm considering putting an OE fso feed on nslu2-linux.org - is there anything like that planned on buildhost that would save me the trouble? |
| 07:37.17 | rwhitby | beni_: just look back a day until you find it |
| 07:37.27 | XorA | rwhitby: no, I was wanting to leave FSO guys running their own baby |
| 07:37.40 | kgoetz | 500MB of images per day :| |
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| 07:37.54 | trickie|work | XorA: how do you switch from AUTOREV build and back again? |
| 07:38.00 | rwhitby | XorA: but they don't have feed infrastructure do they, they use downloads.om.org for images and updates |
| 07:38.09 | kgoetz | and all in tarballs. must be huge |
| 07:38.20 | trickie|work | is AUTOREV a moko thing or for all OE distro's? |
| 07:38.28 | rwhitby | kgoetz: nslu2-linux.org server is hosted in the same rack as master.kernel.org at osuosl ... |
| 07:38.34 | rwhitby | it can take the traffic :-) |
| 07:38.46 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * re5ea1837c82c 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] update OM kernel to something buildable |
| 07:38.50 | XorA | rwhitby: buildhost also builds the wrong branch |
| 07:39.36 | XorA | there that should be kernel fixed |
| 07:39.44 | kgoetz | rwhitby: i dont doubt it can, but i think i might not make a daily copy ;) |
| 07:40.37 | rwhitby | XorA: yeah, that's why I was going to do a separate feed built from OE directly for fso |
| 07:40.47 | rwhitby | and build task-openmoko-feed for it |
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| 07:41.23 | safiiru | 2008.8 doesn't come with gpsd? |
| 07:41.34 | linuxxr | no |
| 07:41.39 | safiiru | Is that still a correct gps daemon to use with it? |
| 07:42.05 | linuxxr | i just put 200808 on muself |
| 07:42.36 | Blalien | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:42.44 | XorA | is tempted to remove qtopia-image from buildhost |
| 07:43.03 | lindi- | XorA: why? ;) |
| 07:43.10 | rwhitby | lindi-: it steals all the thunder |
| 07:43.23 | XorA | because no matter how many times I say buildhost is not ASU on mailing lists and here, no-one listens |
| 07:43.34 | lindi- | XorA: buildhost is not ASU? |
| 07:43.39 | XorA | no |
| 07:43.45 | rwhitby | lindi-: it builds from the wrong branch |
| 07:43.48 | kgoetz | whats the diference between .summary and non .sumarry rootfs's? |
| 07:43.50 | lindi- | rwhitby: uh oh |
| 07:44.02 | lindi- | rwhitby: something else than org.openmoko.asu.dev? |
| 07:44.05 | rwhitby | kgoetz: first hit on google for "jffs2 summary: |
| 07:44.14 | kgoetz | rwhitby: fair enough |
| 07:44.16 | rwhitby | lindi-: buildhost builds .dev I believe |
| 07:44.16 | *** topic/#openmoko by XorA -> |
| 07:44.20 | XorA | shit |
| 07:44.41 | *** topic/#openmoko by XorA -> Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Developers should join #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | buildhost.openmoko.org does not have ASU on it |
| 07:45.03 | lindi- | rwhitby: org.openmoko.dev? |
| 07:45.07 | rwhitby | yep |
| 07:45.13 | lindi- | rwhitby: but isn't that 2007.2? |
| 07:45.16 | rwhitby | yep |
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| 07:45.25 | rwhitby | that's the current OM release |
| 07:45.34 | lindi- | i'm bit confused, why do people think it's asu then? ;) |
| 07:45.34 | XorA | not 2007.2 either, as that was the last release |
| 07:45.51 | XorA | openmoko.dev branch tracks OE with OM changes |
| 07:46.00 | rwhitby | lindi-: cause it has qtopia-x11 images with dates close to 080808 |
| 07:46.25 | XorA | the main difference is ASU actually works |
| 07:46.28 | lindi- | rwhitby: can mokomakefile build those images? |
| 07:46.46 | rwhitby | lindi-: mokomakefile can build anything, given the correct variable settings at the top |
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| 07:46.50 | XorA | and ASU doesnt have the FSO theme accidently applied :-) |
| 07:47.00 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 07:47.08 | lindi- | rwhitby: ok. so what would it be for qtopia-x11? |
| 07:47.33 | lindi- | rwhitby: i am now building 'org.openmoko.dev' and 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' with it (on different machines) |
| 07:47.39 | rwhitby | branch = org.openmoko.asu.stable I expect |
| 07:47.48 | lindi- | rwhitby: aha |
| 07:48.02 | rwhitby | although asu.dev should be close too |
| 07:48.23 | rwhitby | has never built asu, so is not speaking from any sort of authority here |
| 07:48.29 | lindi- | ok |
| 07:49.25 | Blalien | Could it be that connecting a bluetooth headset will work better in 2008.8? |
| 07:49.39 | ozzloy | on the qtopia image, should i upgrade to the maintainer's version or keep the version installed with the image when i opkg upgrade? |
| 07:49.58 | rwhitby | ozzloy: hit "d" to diff and make an informed decision |
| 07:50.16 | rwhitby | one is likely to be obviously wrong |
| 07:50.26 | ozzloy | i hope so |
| 07:50.43 | ozzloy | could you give an example of "obviously wrong"? |
| 07:50.49 | ozzloy | i'm not sure i'll know |
| 07:50.51 | kgoetz | my-distribution.org *grin* |
| 07:50.52 | rwhitby | my-distribution.org |
| 07:50.54 | rwhitby | snap |
| 07:51.01 | kgoetz | hehe |
| 07:51.05 | ozzloy | heh |
| 07:51.32 | Blalien | Could someone please answer my questions. ;) |
| 07:51.43 | safiiru | Someone was nice enought to buy that domain and not put evil things there. |
| 07:52.00 | rwhitby | Blalien: I saw them, but have no idea what the answers should be. |
| 07:52.17 | XorA | it seems not many people use bluetooth |
| 07:52.26 | rwhitby | ~nefarious |
| 07:52.27 | apt | hmm... nefarious is to be infamous by way of nastyness |
| 07:52.36 | XorA | that question comes up like once a day, but none of the bluez expert seem to try it :-) |
| 07:53.02 | Blalien | rwhiby: No problem, I hope there will be that special someone today that can help me with. |
| 07:53.25 | kd8ikt | thats awefully thoughtfull of beni |
| 07:53.39 | *** topic/#openmoko by XorA -> Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Developers should join #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | buildhost.openmoko.org does not have ASU on it | 200808 means August not 2008.8 |
| 07:53.54 | kd8ikt | er awfully? |
| 07:54.13 | rwhitby | wonders why Google of "whois my-distribution.org" hasn't been implemented yet ... |
| 07:54.18 | Blalien | Xora: Ahh oke :P, that's a bummer. My bluetooth keyboard works. But it's to lonely for my Sennheiser headset to lay arround. |
| 07:54.19 | drath_ | nick drath |
| 07:54.23 | *** join/#openmoko atul (n=qvantel@61.16.248.242) |
| 07:54.23 | drath_ | d'oh... |
| 07:54.25 | beni_ | kd8ikt: sorry for that. i am just so amazed by this fr thing that i just cant wait to try things out |
| 07:54.43 | XorA | is not even sure the audio codec is codec correctly to link |
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| 07:54.55 | XorA | second codec == coded |
| 07:54.58 | beni_ | kd8ikt: or did i misudnerstood something? |
| 07:55.26 | kd8ikt | i was speaking of my-distribution |
| 07:55.34 | Blalien | XorA: Ahh, so it could be a problem with the audio codec? |
| 07:56.11 | ozzloy | beni_: are you the same beni who registered my-distribution.org ? |
| 07:56.23 | safiiru | If I have one bar left on my battery should I just plug in my FR? I remember it would never be able to recharge if it got too low, is that still true? |
| 07:56.27 | XorA | Blalien: there is no software to actually change the codec config on attaching a headset, Ive no idea how to attach a headset with bluez |
| 07:56.41 | XorA | and I pretty much gave up with bluez in disgust |
| 07:57.02 | rwhitby | beni_: nice web page :-) |
| 07:57.09 | XorA | I know the qtopia guys worked on it a bit |
| 07:57.20 | XorA | not sure if lorn knows if they ever got it working |
| 07:57.31 | ozzloy | -src/gz daily-all ... v. +src/gz om-dev-all ... |
| 07:57.34 | rwhitby | beni_: you should put google adsense on there and make some money |
| 07:57.45 | beni_ | ozzloy: no |
| 07:57.47 | ozzloy | is daily-all stable, and om-dev-all bleeding? |
| 07:58.15 | XorA | the my-distribution.org in /etc/opkg/* should be fixed as of last night |
| 07:58.16 | rwhitby | is referring to http://www.my-distribution.org/ |
| 07:58.38 | rwhitby | XorA: whoever wrote that should be beaten over the head with the example.com RFC |
| 07:58.45 | XorA | rwhitby: mickeyl |
| 07:59.18 | rwhitby | get him to write out the contents of http://www.rfc.net/rfc2606.txt 100 times as penance |
| 07:59.23 | Blalien | XorA: Ok thanks for the info :). I hope it will be working soon ^^. |
| 07:59.25 | kd8ikt | still would have been funny replaceing all the pkgs with something that changed the background to goatse |
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| 07:59.46 | rwhitby | or installed an iphone theme ... |
| 08:00.11 | kd8ikt | would dare not waste the time building an iphone theme |
| 08:00.28 | ozzloy | http://pastebin.com/d546bb3e i don't know which of these two lines is right. |
| 08:00.36 | ozzloy | which is? |
| 08:00.55 | rwhitby | ozzloy: there is no functional difference, so it doesn't matter |
| 08:01.03 | ozzloy | rwhitby: kk |
| 08:01.07 | XorA | yeah, looks like the updated distro-feed-configs built last night, to my-distribution.org should be gone |
| 08:01.08 | rwhitby | so hit 'y' |
| 08:01.10 | kgoetz | rwhitby: re example.com - totally agree |
| 08:01.17 | kd8ikt | yeah they are the fricken same |
| 08:01.25 | kd8ikt | except label |
| 08:01.28 | beni_ | when will 2008.8 be released tomorrow? at 20:08 ? |
| 08:01.30 | beni_ | ;) |
| 08:01.42 | rwhitby | beni_: in the GMT+8 timezone |
| 08:01.46 | XorA | beni_: yes, but we havent chosen which timezone to release it in :-) |
| 08:01.51 | ozzloy | rwhitby: same with daily-armv4t v. om-dev-armv4t ? |
| 08:01.57 | XorA | traditionally OM releases happen on the dateline :_) |
| 08:02.07 | rwhitby | ozzloy: if the url matches it's effectively the same |
| 08:02.43 | safiiru | I don't seem to be able to find the sd card in /dev in 2008.8 now. |
| 08:02.44 | ozzloy | rwhitby: ah, cool |
| 08:02.47 | XorA | ah, ozzloy has the new package |
| 08:03.04 | XorA | I changed the feed names to om-dev-* to indicate which branch they came from |
| 08:03.05 | safiiru | Seems like it should be /dev/mmcblk0p1 but it does not exist. |
| 08:03.41 | ozzloy | XorA: i just reflashed the qtopia image from july |
| 08:03.49 | ozzloy | XorA: and i'm running opkg update right now |
| 08:03.59 | ozzloy | s/update/upgrade/ |
| 08:04.08 | lindi- | ozzloy: qtopia image means org.openmoko.asu.stable? |
| 08:04.22 | Blalien | What is the functionality difference between 2007.2 and 2008.8? Which works better? |
| 08:04.47 | ozzloy | lindi-: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/index.php |
| 08:04.55 | ozzloy | the one for gta02 |
| 08:05.00 | rwhitby | Blalien: one would hope the latter |
| 08:05.08 | lindi- | ozzloy: can that be built with mokomakefile? |
| 08:05.22 | ozzloy | lindi-: no idea |
| 08:05.34 | ozzloy | lindi-: i haven't been able to build jack on my own yet |
| 08:05.38 | lindi- | ozzloy: any idea how to build it? |
| 08:05.39 | lindi- | ah |
| 08:05.51 | rwhitby | lindi-: no, mokomakefile doesn't build true qtopia images from Trolltech, only the qtopia-x11 (I wonder how they're allowed to call it that) from Openmoko. |
| 08:05.56 | ozzloy | lindi-: just flashing different builds. so far the one i just linked feels best |
| 08:06.14 | lindi- | i am now taking the policy that i need to be able to build software i run on my phone, i have been suffering from neod+pulseaudio consuming 15% of cpu time for a week soon :) |
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| 08:06.33 | lindi- | rwhitby: ok |
| 08:06.35 | rwhitby | lindi-: yeah, I subscribe to that policy too. If I can't build it from source, it doesn't exist. |
| 08:06.59 | XorA | neod needs some TLC |
| 08:07.02 | rwhitby | Hence, the MokoMakefile :-) |
| 08:07.08 | XorA | has been waiting for SHR |
| 08:07.23 | safiiru | Can MokoMakefile be used on OSX? |
| 08:07.24 | XorA | which I always think of as Super Hybrid Release :-) |
| 08:07.27 | lindi- | XorA: TLC? |
| 08:07.51 | XorA | Tender Loving Care |
| 08:07.56 | lindi- | ah |
| 08:08.04 | rwhitby | safiiru: I have seen some reports of success, and am happy to accept patches. It's more likely to be whether OE builds on OSX rather than MokoMakefile though. |
| 08:08.09 | XorA | or something rude I wont repeat |
| 08:08.26 | lindi- | XorA: any idea if SHR can be built with mokomakefile? |
| 08:08.39 | rwhitby | lindi-: no, I haven't added that yet. |
| 08:08.40 | safiiru | rwhitby: I may give it a try then. |
| 08:08.41 | XorA | no idea if SHR even exists in any form |
| 08:08.56 | rwhitby | XorA: there's an svn repo somewhere, but I have no idea what state it's in. |
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| 08:09.06 | lindi- | rwhitby: ah, you are rob |
| 08:09.16 | rwhitby | nope, I'm the Rod. |
| 08:09.19 | kd8ikt | last i checked it was a handful of scripts |
| 08:09.30 | lindi- | rwhitby: whoops |
| 08:09.35 | rwhitby | :-) |
| 08:09.45 | lindi- | blame the tiny display! |
| 08:10.09 | safiiru | Did the neo1973 use sdmicros? |
| 08:10.17 | torpor | hi |
| 08:10.21 | torpor | anyone know what py-level is all about? |
| 08:10.21 | rwhitby | safiiru: same as FR |
| 08:10.22 | kd8ikt | im investing my time learning about the freesmartphone dbus api and how to apply it |
| 08:10.33 | torpor | i want to write an app that uses the accelerometers, and py-level looks like a good place to get started. |
| 08:10.36 | torpor | anyone know about it? |
| 08:10.49 | rwhitby | fixes the numptyphysics build in OE |
| 08:10.51 | kd8ikt | and i want to play around with my friends archos media player |
| 08:10.55 | lindi- | i want to make neod _not_ use the accelometers :P |
| 08:11.08 | safiiru | rwhitby: I am trying to figure out why I do not have a /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 08:11.09 | kd8ikt | there is a patched ver lindi- |
| 08:11.25 | lindi- | kd8ikt: really? where? mokomakefile fetched me broken version |
| 08:11.26 | XorA | safiiru: re-seat you microSD |
| 08:11.30 | torpor | rwhitby: you are awesome. numptyphysics is awesome. |
| 08:11.32 | XorA | safiiru: the connections arent the best |
| 08:11.33 | lindi- | kd8ikt: the bug report did not get any replies either |
| 08:11.41 | kd8ikt | http://westhoffs-welt.de/blog/my_first_openmoko_application.html |
| 08:11.42 | safiiru | XorA: Ah ok. |
| 08:12.00 | rwhitby | torpor: I take no credit for numptyphysics, I only fixed a missing -lX11 in the bitbake recipe |
| 08:12.16 | torpor | i know! |
| 08:12.18 | kd8ikt | thats the only one i know of that leaves the accels alone |
| 08:12.23 | torpor | i'm just say ing tis nice you are fixing it. |
| 08:12.26 | lindi- | kd8ikt: have you tried to send that fix upstream? |
| 08:12.32 | kd8ikt | so dont ask me about a patch |
| 08:12.34 | torpor | coz i will work on it if its fixed. |
| 08:12.52 | rwhitby | XorA: did you push the new sane-srcrevs to OE mtn repo as well? |
| 08:12.58 | XorA | rwhitby: no |
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| 08:13.04 | XorA | rwhitby: need to work upto that :-) |
| 08:13.11 | torpor | ooh .. moko_eightball is great! |
| 08:13.14 | torpor | thanks for that! |
| 08:13.16 | lindi- | kd8ikt: i don't see any event%d opening in svn co svn://svn.pureenergy.cc/moko_eightball |
| 08:13.17 | rwhitby | XorA: which rev should I use? |
| 08:13.30 | lindi- | kd8ikt: how does it detect AUX button presses without opening event%d? |
| 08:13.39 | XorA | 855f715f8568a50391d1526ab2954925c08dab79 |
| 08:13.49 | torpor | lovely! |
| 08:13.51 | kd8ikt | i dont fucking know i've never even looked at neod source |
| 08:13.59 | torpor | goes "ooh a lot and crosses his legs so he doesn't wee" |
| 08:14.17 | lindi- | kd8ikt: oh |
| 08:14.48 | rwhitby | XorA: I'll push that now then |
| 08:14.52 | XorA | cool |
| 08:15.06 | lindi- | kd8ikt: but where did you get this http://westhoffswelt.de/data/blog/moko_eightball/neod? |
| 08:15.10 | XorA | needs to extra SRCREV info from his build |
| 08:15.16 | rwhitby | I had to set up a whole new VM so I could run monotone again - I haven't run it in about three weeks or so |
| 08:15.37 | kd8ikt | from teh internet duh |
| 08:15.49 | rwhitby | waits for the OE monotone->git flag day ... |
| 08:16.27 | lindi- | kd8ikt: but neod is GPL, you can't distribute it without source? |
| 08:17.21 | kd8ikt | its not my fucking webpage |
| 08:17.26 | lindi- | the binary has string 'problem opening event4' but i can't find that from google |
| 08:17.34 | lindi- | kd8ikt: no need to be rude :( |
| 08:17.34 | rwhitby | XorA: FYI, I'm pushing those to monotone.nslu2-linux.org, which won't sync again until monotone.openembedded.org wakes up again |
| 08:17.43 | XorA | rwhitby: fair enough |
| 08:17.55 | XorA | mmmmm acetone |
| 08:18.16 | kd8ikt | alright youre one more comment away from being /ignore'd |
| 08:18.47 | rwhitby | kd8ikt: pot kettle black? |
| 08:18.49 | lindi- | kd8ikt: i added comment to http://westhoffswelt.de/blog/my_first_openmoko_application.html so maybe the web site author replies |
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| 08:20.32 | sevenhundred | whoa, my freerunner actually worked! yay |
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| 08:24.45 | torpor | sevenhundred: congrats! |
| 08:25.14 | sevenhundred | thanks! |
| 08:29.32 | kd8ikt | char* filename = g_strdup_printf( "/dev/input/event%d", i ); |
| 08:30.13 | kd8ikt | :P someone didnt read teh sources |
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| 08:31.09 | kd8ikt | *cough* neod buttonactions.c *cough* |
| 08:31.56 | lindi- | kd8ikt: yes ./openmoko/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c opens all event devices and then spends 10% cpu time procesing accelometer data here |
| 08:32.04 | lindi- | kd8ikt: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1713 |
| 08:32.41 | Zork | ueeehm, who made that magic ball? |
| 08:32.48 | Zork | is messes up my neo.... |
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| 08:32.50 | torpor | itsw great isn't it! |
| 08:32.52 | torpor | oh |
| 08:32.54 | torpor | i like it. ;) |
| 08:33.07 | Zork | i get a lot of ERROR ERROR: Error magic check failed |
| 08:33.31 | Zork | all in ecore_event_handler_del() |
| 08:33.42 | Zork | input handler is NULL |
| 08:34.02 | kd8ikt | why the fuck did you make a ticket for it? |
| 08:34.15 | kd8ikt | just hack it up then |
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| 08:34.58 | rwhitby | kd8ikt: do you need to swear on every line you write? |
| 08:35.08 | Zork | does anyone still have a working neod? maybe if i put it back it will work again |
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| 08:35.38 | kd8ikt | yes i have turrets syndrom *cocksucker* |
| 08:35.39 | Zork | i can ssh in |
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| 08:36.17 | kd8ikt | excuse me |
| 08:38.34 | Zork | anyone know a sollution? |
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| 08:41.42 | torpor | zork just reinstall neod from package. |
| 08:42.34 | ConfidentiaL | when flashing the kernel with dfu-util, what format is the kernel image file? |
| 08:42.54 | sevenhundred | is it possible to see how much power there is in the battery_ |
| 08:43.05 | sevenhundred | ?* |
| 08:44.35 | Zork | sevenhundred: apm |
| 08:44.44 | Zork | ConfidentiaL: *.bin |
| 08:45.45 | sevenhundred | zork, thanks |
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| 08:50.04 | Zork | seems like the glamo rotation bug is fixed |
| 08:50.16 | sevenhundred | love the little thump you hear and feel when you touch the screen |
| 08:50.57 | ecraven | it is? |
| 08:51.09 | sevenhundred | hasn't bought a new phone since the nokia 3110 |
| 08:51.26 | sevenhundred | 3310* |
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| 08:52.13 | Zork | ecraven: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1244#comment:35 |
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| 08:53.20 | ecraven | Zork: great. though it seems there are many more rotation-related problems i didn't even know about ;( |
| 08:54.20 | Zork | true, but it's a beginning |
| 08:54.33 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * ref15e4ca0c5e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] update 2007.2 software stack versions |
| 08:54.47 | ecraven | cjb: thanks for the fix ;) |
| 08:55.04 | ecraven | Zork: do you have a fixed Xglamo binary? |
| 08:55.47 | Zork | nope |
| 08:56.32 | Zork | and yeah, thanks cjb! |
| 08:57.57 | Zork | anybody know if it is safe to opkg upgrade the 2007.2 image? |
| 08:58.43 | ozzloy | i just flashed the openmoko with the qtopia image, now i'm getting this in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/d6785ab4e |
| 08:58.49 | Zork | or knows why the modified neod to run openmoko-eightball messes up my device :( |
| 08:58.56 | ozzloy | and i can't connect to it via usb for information |
| 08:59.07 | ozzloy | but it does indicate that it's charging |
| 08:59.09 | ConfidentiaL | how do I get all the features of om2008.8 ? |
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| 09:01.30 | XorA | is working on getting the xglamo fix into the builds |
| 09:01.38 | ecraven | XorA: great! |
| 09:02.03 | Zork | gogo XorA |
| 09:02.18 | Zork | btw: my battery is fully charged and only indicates 4.1Volts |
| 09:02.28 | Zork | isn't this a bit low? |
| 09:04.31 | kd8ikt | the one i have now rotates the screen but the aspect stays the same so i have black bars on both sides |
| 09:04.43 | Zork | what image do you use kd8ikt? |
| 09:04.58 | kd8ikt | and :P touchscreen is still off to the left |
| 09:05.18 | kd8ikt | oh i cant remember like 3 days ago buildhost |
| 09:05.46 | ozzloy | aaarrrrgg!! |
| 09:05.49 | ozzloy | gnight |
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| 09:07.01 | ozzloy | oh, it appears to be something to do with the battery |
| 09:07.15 | ConfidentiaL | is it possible to install a beta or release candidate or something of om2008.8 now? |
| 09:07.18 | ozzloy | switching battery makes it connect |
| 09:07.28 | grummel | Zork: 4.1Volts for an LiIon is allright |
| 09:07.32 | Zork | ozzloy: i think it is a bug discussed in the mailinglists |
| 09:07.48 | Zork | grummel: but isn't it supposed to be 4.5V? |
| 09:07.56 | ozzloy | Zork: where do i sign up for this mailing list? |
| 09:08.03 | ozzloy | or read archive? |
| 09:08.06 | ozzloy | s |
| 09:08.43 | Zork | ozzloy: http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ |
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| 09:08.48 | grummel | Zork: AFAIK is der Voltage of the normal LiIon battery 4.1V to 4.2V but with 4.2V you get a lower Lifetime |
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| 09:10.38 | Zork | thx grummel |
| 09:10.56 | ConfidentiaL | how do I install om2008.8 from the openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz file? |
| 09:10.59 | Zork | i was confused because http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery suggested jump starting it with 4.5V |
| 09:11.18 | Zork | ConfidentiaL: read the flashing your freerunner section on the wiki |
| 09:11.31 | quickdev | FSO requires me to install python cPickle lib. Is there a package? |
| 09:11.37 | Zork | you want the *.jjfs2 file and the kernel (*.bin) file |
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| 09:12.16 | Zork | grummel: you wee right: http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/hardware/GTA02/CT-GTA02.pdf says 4.3 is already overcharge |
| 09:12.50 | ConfidentiaL | Zork: but is it the root filesystem instructions I use? |
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| 09:13.38 | ozzloy | Zork: thanks |
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| 09:16.00 | Zork | ozzloy: np, i think it will be fixed by tomorrow or it is already fixed today; |
| 09:16.07 | Zork | llo jOERG_rw |
| 09:17.31 | Zork | anybody looked @http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoForesight ? |
| 09:17.42 | Zork | i like the disassembling part :) |
| 09:18.04 | jOERG_rw | huh, disassembling? |
| 09:18.17 | jOERG_rw | peeps |
| 09:18.57 | kd8ikt | i thought the wifi was already using spi |
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| 09:21.02 | Zork | I meant the "Publications" section |
| 09:21.29 | jOERG_rw | kd8ikt: wifi is in sd-if |
| 09:21.59 | jOERG_rw | IIRC |
| 09:22.45 | XorA | it is |
| 09:24.52 | rwhitby | the iphone file needs a chmod on it |
| 09:25.24 | rwhitby | oops, it's now been fixed. |
| 09:25.30 | Bish | what iphone!? |
| 09:29.52 | Zork | opkg upgrade wants to alter a file: |
| 09:29.52 | Zork | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0.01_om-gta02.ipk |
| 09:29.59 | Zork | Configuration file '/etc/opkg/all-feed.conf' |
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| 09:30.48 | Zork | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.48 | Zork | --- /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf-opkg.backup Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 |
| 09:30.48 | Zork | +++ /etc/opkg/all-feed.conf Thu Aug 7 00:11:33 2008 |
| 09:30.48 | Zork | @@ -1 +1 @@ |
| 09:30.48 | Zork | -src/gz daily-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all |
| 09:30.49 | Zork | +src/gz om-dev-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all |
| 09:30.52 | Zork | are these correct? |
| 09:31.00 | kd8ikt | kills Zork |
| 09:31.03 | XorA | yes |
| 09:31.33 | Zork | what kd8ikt? i t hought i read somewhere that there was a problem with new feeds, just wanted to be sure... |
| 09:31.36 | Zork | thanks XorA |
| 09:31.56 | kd8ikt | take a good look at those diffs |
| 09:32.25 | kd8ikt | jesus didnt someone else paste this crap earlier? |
| 09:32.38 | Zork | i'm only awake about 50min |
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| 09:33.10 | kd8ikt | hmm i dont think its healthy to sleep 23hrs a day |
| 09:33.28 | Zork | :) |
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| 09:59.00 | sevenhundred | is it safe to use an external charger and usb simultaneously? |
| 09:59.40 | Bish | external charger ? |
| 09:59.49 | Zork | he means wall charger |
| 10:00.06 | Bish | there is only 1 usb port oo |
| 10:00.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 10:00.37 | Zork | usb Y cable or somehting like it maybe |
| 10:00.42 | rwhitby | you could use a Y cable, and it should be safe enough, assuming the host port on the PC doesn't mind |
| 10:00.46 | Zork | or simple usb hub |
| 10:00.53 | Bish | oO .. |
| 10:00.57 | Bish | use wlan |
| 10:01.00 | Bish | -> solved |
| 10:01.07 | sevenhundred | Bish> oh. Doh XD |
| 10:01.11 | mjr | sevenhundred, with a y cable, you can enable neo's host mode without enabling the power output. But you'd better be sure not to enable it ;) |
| 10:01.17 | Bish | sevenhundred: :D |
| 10:01.57 | sevenhundred | thanks! |
| 10:02.49 | mjr | (That is, I'm not sure what reacts how if you feed in power while also telling the neo to feed out power. Not necessarily bad, but...) |
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| 10:04.32 | torpor | yo |
| 10:04.53 | torpor | anyone got an ultimate y-cable built yet? one with power supply, i mean? |
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| 10:06.22 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r38575d282149 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] increment xglamo to the rotation fixed version |
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| 10:06.36 | XorA | there, rotation fixed xglamo is done |
| 10:06.42 | XorA | thanks to community |
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| 10:07.04 | mjr | \œ/ |
| 10:07.09 | Marcel_M | torpor: sure here are pictures from my old cable http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/pictures/ |
| 10:07.12 | mjr | umm, I'm deformed |
| 10:07.37 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke * r4591 10/trunk/src/host/opkg-utils/arfile.py: |
| 10:07.37 | CIA-47 | openmoko: ipkg-utils: fix ipk (ar) file processing to handle odd-length data blocks. |
| 10:07.37 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Closes bug #4350. |
| 10:07.37 | CIA-47 | openmoko: This was authored by mwester and comes from OE. |
| 10:09.50 | XorA | ok guys, go and rotate your glamos with joy |
| 10:11.41 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke * r4592 10/trunk/src/host/opkg-utils/opkg.py: [opkg-utils] Print the "Tags" field. Patch from OE and authored by John Lee |
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| 10:13.57 | kd8ikt | noshit XorA ? |
| 10:14.03 | kd8ikt | i'll give it a shot |
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| 10:15.18 | stefan_schmidt | ~praise cjb for the glamo fix |
| 10:15.18 | apt | All hail cjb for the glamo fix! |
| 10:15.43 | Tanuva | hails cjb for the glamo fix! |
| 10:15.50 | kd8ikt | is it in bitbake or a pkg? |
| 10:16.02 | XorA | in bitbake, next nightly will put it in ipk |
| 10:16.11 | XorA | can upload a package |
| 10:17.02 | XorA | http://people.openmoko.org/graeme/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git1+4067470ea4d569bae7b4161ca998645a0c9b96e7-r6_armv4t.ipk |
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| 10:29.21 | kd8ikt | holy shit noway |
| 10:29.42 | kd8ikt | too cool it |
| 10:29.42 | rwhitby | kd8ikt: is your level of swearing accepted on other technical IRC channels you frequent? |
| 10:30.00 | ecraven | kd8ikt: could you upload the binary of Xglamo anywhere? |
| 10:30.06 | zash | gsm-question: how does the phonenumber get reported on a incomming call? |
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| 10:30.39 | kd8ikt | sorry rwhitby |
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| 10:30.53 | kd8ikt | i'll treat this like ham radio then |
| 10:31.28 | kd8ikt | ... ecraven did you not see the link XorA posted? |
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| 10:31.39 | XorA | http://people.openmoko.org/graeme/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git1+4067470ea4d569bae7b4161ca998645a0c9b96e7-r6_armv4t.ipk |
| 10:31.45 | kd8ikt | cause the bin is in there |
| 10:31.50 | ecraven | thanks ;) |
| 10:31.51 | mjr | (what the fuck is up with a little swearing) |
| 10:32.11 | kd8ikt | its not very profesional |
| 10:33.28 | trickie|work | well somtimes it can come across as agressive, especially as most channels try to limit it |
| 10:33.55 | trickie|work | i personally don't care, but for some people it ruins the 'mood' |
| 10:35.01 | Zork | I also have nothing against it... |
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| 10:35.10 | Zork | but hey if it offends people.. we should do our best :) |
| 10:35.10 | kd8ikt | tried changing the mac address of the wifi card now it wont connect :P |
| 10:35.25 | phrozen77 | Zork, do th ebest to offend them? |
| 10:35.26 | phrozen77 | :) |
| 10:35.28 | kd8ikt | to offend people? or not to? |
| 10:35.52 | Zork | not to :) |
| 10:36.08 | Zork | or maybe we can have one day that is curse-friendly? |
| 10:36.15 | Zork | like casual-friday or something :) |
| 10:36.16 | phrozen77 | make that sunday kthx |
| 10:36.20 | phrozen77 | the lord will appreciate it |
| 10:36.21 | phrozen77 | :D |
| 10:37.33 | rwhitby | simply thinks that swearing in IRC should be reserved for when you really want some idiot to know that they've pissed you off. If you use it in every second sentence, it kind of looses it's impact, don't you think? |
| 10:37.47 | phrozen77 | sort of, yeah |
| 10:37.50 | phrozen77 | fuck! |
| 10:38.09 | phrozen77 | hides |
| 10:38.10 | Zork | i can't install the ipk XorA gave; i tried -force-downgrade and force-install and -force-overwrite, something else i could try? |
| 10:38.36 | kd8ikt | did force-overwrite the first try and went "swimmingly" |
| 10:38.38 | XorA | Zork: define cant install |
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| 10:39.25 | Zork | XorA: http://pastebin.com/m2689cbff |
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| 10:40.38 | kd8ikt | did i forget to mention i wget got it and installed it wwhile it sat on it localy? |
| 10:41.48 | kd8ikt | so howd you hack this lil fix in? i'm dying to know without doing a diff |
| 10:42.18 | Zork | i'll try that |
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| 10:42.23 | XorA | Zork: you have an ancient image |
| 10:42.34 | XorA | Zork: the packagenumbers are no longer compatible |
| 10:42.45 | mjr | rwhitby, fair enough, just from my perspective, as far as I could see, kd8ikt was mostly shitting and crapping, which hardly are proper swears to start with, and from my perspective he was using them nicely in their context too so ;) but ah well |
| 10:42.51 | Zork | XorA: i did an opkg upgrade an hour ago... |
| 10:43.05 | XorA | Zork: you will have to opkg remove --force-depends xserver-kdrive-glamo first |
| 10:43.14 | XorA | Zork: yes, but you started with something ancient |
| 10:43.30 | Zork | ok |
| 10:43.37 | XorA | not the difference in version number formats |
| 10:43.40 | MrShlee | so.. someone ported kdrive to use the glamo for the framebuffer? |
| 10:43.43 | Zork | thre wil probably be other "ancient" components then also? |
| 10:44.03 | XorA | opkg list_installed | grep git should give you a list of stuff to double check |
| 10:44.37 | kd8ikt | has bad diahria |
| 10:44.40 | ecraven | MrShlee: no, cjb fixed the bug with input and xrandr |
| 10:45.07 | kd8ikt | diahrea |
| 10:45.23 | rwhitby | mjr: from my perspective, even that level causes my inbuilt prejudices (which may be right or wrong relative to someone else's perspective) to not want to go out of my way to interact with or help that person. No biggie, I just start to ignore those people :-) |
| 10:45.33 | kd8ikt | diarrhea |
| 10:45.37 | kd8ikt | thats a tough one to spell |
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| 10:46.31 | rysiek | joł |
| 10:46.47 | mjr | rwhitby, no accounting for taste, I suppose :] |
| 10:46.53 | Zork | XorA: seems like it still doesn't work that way, it tries to install kdrive from the rabenfrost feeds: http://pastebin.com/d457eccef |
| 10:47.05 | rwhitby | mjr: nod |
| 10:47.29 | Zork | lol |
| 10:47.29 | Zork | kernel-module-sg - 2:2.6.24+git29+2c55337cb0cde08203df321a108409b7e33e6904-r2 - |
| 10:47.38 | Zork | sorry (wrong copy paste) |
| 10:47.41 | XorA | Zork: disable those feed then |
| 10:48.37 | rwhitby | I run a couple of channels related to nslu2-linux, and have found a high correlation of swearing to people who end up being poisonous to the good working of the channel. I'm not making such a judgement here, just letting you know the experience that I'm coming from. #openmoko may well be completely different from #nslu2-linux. |
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| 10:48.51 | rysiek | hmmm... just discovered that dropbear supports ssh -X (X11 forwarding) - *man* it's convenient to work with them messages from my laptop! |
| 10:49.00 | rysiek | I think that needs to get into the wiki |
| 10:49.26 | rwhitby | (and I have no authority to tell anyone else how to act in channel here of course) |
| 10:50.19 | mjr | rwhitby, I'm not disagreeing that constant swearing is a distraction, just did a knee-jerk because of the low level of swearing you already reacted to |
| 10:50.44 | rwhitby | mjr: fair enough |
| 10:52.02 | rwhitby | perhaps it was kd8ikt calling me a c*cks*ck*r which tipped the balance for me ... ;-) |
| 10:52.19 | XorA | bites chicked heads all the time |
| 10:52.26 | XorA | chicken |
| 10:52.36 | kd8ikt | i didnt call you that |
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| 10:52.42 | Zork | yeah, but kd8ikt has the "turret" syndrom :p:p so he's dangerous :) |
| 10:52.47 | kd8ikt | that was my tourettes kicking it |
| 10:53.05 | kd8ikt | in* |
| 10:53.17 | kd8ikt | it/in |
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| 10:53.25 | rwhitby | yeah, IRC tourrettes. we should do a donation drive to help find a cure ... |
| 10:53.52 | XorA | nah, just a channel swear box donated to charity |
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| 10:54.03 | XorA | 5$ by paypal for every swear |
| 10:54.07 | kd8ikt | ok more to the point that x works in landscape! |
| 10:54.19 | kd8ikt | make a kitty? |
| 10:54.27 | kd8ikt | a swear jar |
| 10:54.28 | mjr | rwhitby, right, didn't notice that since it was before. Certainly more vulgar than shit or crap, but, well, humorous to me. But I suppose with humor, as in most things, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him suck your cock ;) |
| 10:55.14 | kd8ikt | now... an accellerometer reader that messes with xranr ;) |
| 10:55.39 | dns53 | don't go to #linuxoutlaws, they have a crapbot |
| 10:55.40 | rysiek | kd8ikt: that would actually be quite easy to script, wouldn't it?.. |
| 10:55.41 | mjr | But that's it for me of that, and no, I don't intend to start profusely swearing |
| 10:55.52 | bumbl | XorA: paypal sucks |
| 10:56.15 | XorA | bumbl: 5$ :-D |
| 10:56.32 | Zork | since rwhitby mentionned it there is a lot more swearing in here :-D |
| 10:56.44 | rysiek | XorA: I think he meant "paypal sucks money from us" |
| 10:56.46 | rysiek | ;) |
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| 11:00.42 | dns53 | so what do ppl think of the asu? |
| 11:01.21 | bumbl | dns53: where can you download it? |
| 11:01.29 | bumbl | the version of the buildhost |
| 11:01.32 | bumbl | is not asu |
| 11:01.34 | dns53 | it is the qtopia x11 image |
| 11:01.38 | bumbl | according to raster# |
| 11:01.43 | dns53 | it isn't? |
| 11:01.56 | MrShlee | rwhitby: Any idea how many people have confirmed payments for the second Australia bulk order? |
| 11:02.18 | bumbl | dns53: wait i'll get you the url |
| 11:03.27 | bumbl | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-f528198 |
| 11:03.28 | rwhitby | dns53: no, buildhost builds from the wrong branch for ASU |
| 11:03.37 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 11:03.47 | phrozen77 | anyone care to elaborate about the state of suspend/resume? |
| 11:03.57 | rwhitby | it's close-ish, but is definitely not indicative of the state of ASU |
| 11:04.09 | rwhitby | (e.g. it has the fso theme, which is not in ASU) |
| 11:04.23 | rwhitby | MrShlee: no idea, I'm not involved in that. |
| 11:04.46 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rd3b7be9eef1f 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [linux-openmoko] Turn off EVBUG |
| 11:05.01 | MrShlee | rwhitby: Must have the wrong name. Sorry |
| 11:05.01 | kd8ikt | it was the furious use of my nick before every fricken question that got to me |
| 11:06.07 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rc5b4d97c812b 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM: document array format of subscriber_numbers property in GetSimInfo(). |
| 11:06.30 | kd8ikt | kd8ikt: this, and kd8ikt: that kd8ikt: omfg i'm telling the FOSS lawyers on you cause the source for neod isnt right in front of me |
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| 11:07.44 | kd8ikt | christ almighty take 5min to look through the source for neod wich is amazingly small, i'm sure you can hack out a way to do it without the source |
| 11:07.59 | kd8ikt | the modified source* |
| 11:09.19 | kd8ikt | and its not like it was my binary i just poped up a link to someone that hacked it for their 8ball app |
| 11:09.36 | kd8ikt | i cant believe i'm still fricken talking about it |
| 11:10.13 | Dave | cay dee eight! |
| 11:11.02 | bumbl | Davy |
| 11:14.29 | lindi- | rwhitby: mokomakefile tries to get http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/sources/git_www.denx.de.git.u-boot.git..tar.gz during build and that host is down :( |
| 11:14.46 | rwhitby | lindi-: yep, it should timeout eventually, but it is very annoying. |
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| 11:15.06 | rwhitby | when it times out, it will use git directly instead of a tarball |
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| 11:16.08 | alphaone | lindi-: You should also be able to speed things up by issuing killall wget on another console |
| 11:17.18 | Dave | Hey bumble :) |
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| 11:20.09 | Zork | i installed the latest http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080807/openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk--20080807-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz |
| 11:20.24 | Zork | i have a black bar in the middle of the screen, is this normal?? |
| 11:20.41 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8b6771382308 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (illume-theme/illume-none.edj illume-theme_svn.bb): [illume-theme] For Design issue. |
| 11:20.59 | dns53 | i have the same black bar |
| 11:21.40 | Dave | What's new, Zorkman? :D |
| 11:21.46 | bumbl | Dave: how's life today? |
| 11:21.52 | Zork | Dave: a black bar |
| 11:21.58 | Dave | Bumble, hot, amazing, yet complicated. |
| 11:22.04 | Zork | Dave: and openmoko-eightball, but it broke my 2007.2 |
| 11:22.10 | phrozen77 | anyone care to elaborate about the state of suspend/resume? |
| 11:22.11 | Dave | Sounds like a somewhat weak description of the Freerunner actually :P |
| 11:22.20 | kd8ikt | like a girls gone wild black bar? |
| 11:22.26 | Dave | zorkman? |
| 11:22.30 | Dave | kd8 haha yeah |
| 11:22.32 | kd8ikt | or like a jazz joint |
| 11:22.47 | kd8ikt | jazz club |
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| 11:23.59 | Dave | Zorkman, what's openmoko-eightball and what did it do to your device? |
| 11:24.13 | Zork | i had to install a new neod and that made it not want to boot into X |
| 11:24.16 | bumbl | Dave: openmoko is the best app for the openmoko |
| 11:24.40 | Zork | Dave: http://westhoffs-welt.de/blog/my_first_openmoko_application.html |
| 11:24.42 | bumbl | Zork: ssh to neo and replace the bad neod with your backup |
| 11:24.51 | Zork | bumbl: yeah i did that, it worked |
| 11:24.56 | bumbl | s/openmoko/eightball |
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| 11:25.19 | kd8ikt | hm.. nokidding that killed your phone? |
| 11:26.30 | Zork | well, not "killed" i could ssh into it |
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| 11:26.53 | Zork | https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1732#comment:1 |
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| 11:28.03 | koenigjm | Has anyone been able to get GSM configured properly? If so, is there any reading you could recommend to help me get mine straightened out? |
| 11:28.49 | kd8ikt | GPRS? |
| 11:29.30 | matholio | hmm, what with this black bar thing ? |
| 11:29.44 | Zork | it's gone now :) |
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| 11:29.51 | Zork | but can't ssh into the phone, will try a reboot |
| 11:29.51 | matholio | mine has not. |
| 11:30.10 | matholio | I can ssh, but have a black bar. |
| 11:30.45 | Zork | also the aux key --> screenlock and powerbutton --> suspend don't seem to work |
| 11:32.43 | Zork | mmm, when i boot: no black bar |
| 11:32.49 | Zork | when i instert usb cable ==> black bar |
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| 11:33.37 | koenigjm | kd8ikt: Yeah, sorry GPRS |
| 11:33.50 | bumbl | Zork: I had that black bar yesterday |
| 11:34.01 | bumbl | I just clicked on it and it was gone |
| 11:34.19 | Zork | same here |
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| 11:35.05 | Zork | bumbl: did you have to correct the feeds? |
| 11:35.24 | bumbl | ? |
| 11:35.35 | bumbl | I corrected them yes |
| 11:35.42 | bumbl | but the black bar was there before |
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| 11:36.00 | matholio | what are the correct feeds for 2008.08 ? |
| 11:36.06 | Zork | the question didn't have anything to do with the black bar anymore, it was just that the feeds are wrong here |
| 11:36.09 | matholio | oh my black bar goes too. good. begone. |
| 11:37.33 | Zork | bumbl: which feeds do we need? |
| 11:37.56 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r771535cbaa38 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: fix wrong result direction in SendGenericSimCommand() and SendRestrictedSimCommand. Thanks Ainulindale for spotting! |
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| 11:40.47 | bumbl | Zork: |
| 11:40.52 | bumbl | I think these ones |
| 11:40.55 | bumbl | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/ |
| 11:41.19 | ike | Hello... |
| 11:41.24 | ike | Is this "good" FATAL? |
| 11:41.25 | ike | Configuring kernel-module-snd-soc-neo1973-wm8753 |
| 11:41.25 | ike | FATAL: Error inserting snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753 (/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/soc/s3c24xx/snd-soc-neo1973-wm8753.ko): No such device |
| 11:41.28 | ike | Configuring kernel-module-snd-soc-s3c24xx |
| 11:42.57 | phrozen77 | anyone care to elaborate about the state of suspend/resume? |
| 11:43.15 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. |
| 11:43.25 | SpeedEvil | still a bit broken. |
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| 11:43.53 | phrozen77 | ok, sounds good |
| 11:44.01 | phrozen77 | SpeedEvil, did my screen protector ship yet? |
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| 11:45.00 | SpeedEvil | phrozen77: yes - however I have some concerns about the way it was shipped. |
| 11:45.10 | phrozen77 | ah? |
| 11:45.14 | SpeedEvil | I used - for the first time - a online postage printing service. |
| 11:45.22 | SpeedEvil | And I had a somewhat dodgy printer. |
| 11:45.47 | SpeedEvil | I assumed that as it scanned OK at the counter, it'd scan OK en-route. |
| 11:45.54 | SpeedEvil | It seems some may have gotten lost. |
| 11:46.01 | phrozen77 | :O |
| 11:46.10 | SpeedEvil | I'll re-mail yours |
| 11:46.28 | phrozen77 | thatd be great, thank you |
| 11:46.49 | SpeedEvil | Sorry about this. I'll use my poorly legible scribble printer that's never failed before. |
| 11:47.03 | phrozen77 | no worries, dont even have the FR yet |
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| 11:53.32 | Dave | Speedevil, terrible handwriting? :) |
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| 11:54.07 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 11:54.45 | Dave | Zorkman |
| 11:55.03 | Dave | Wait wait wait, was someone implying there is a GOOD neod out there!? |
| 11:55.13 | Zork | llo |
| 11:55.36 | kd8ikt | yeah i was playing with scribble on qtopia and realized i cant hand write for shit |
| 11:55.39 | Zork | a good neod? if it fails: just -force-remove it and reinstall again with opkg |
| 11:56.45 | Dave | kd8, haha, it's sad you needed a freerunner to tell you that :P |
| 11:56.49 | Zorkman | likes the new pages like http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2008.8 |
| 11:57.03 | Dave | zorkman, did you do that, have you had any difficulty with the replaced neod? |
| 11:57.20 | Dave | Did eightball actually work? What were you talking about earlier when you mentioned a crashed freerunner? :) |
| 11:57.30 | Zorkman | the neod from the eight-ball stuff made my freerunner unable to boot into X |
| 11:58.35 | kd8ikt | it is a few weeks old |
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| 12:03.16 | Dave | Who's old? |
| 12:03.18 | Dave | You? |
| 12:03.25 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4b09ed97b3ef 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [illume-config] For Design issue. |
| 12:04.12 | Dave | Well, we already assumed that :P |
| 12:04.14 | matholio | someone wanted the feeds? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0.01_om-gta02.ipk |
| 12:04.17 | matholio | I think. |
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| 12:05.12 | matholio | is there any way to make opkg download but not install ? |
| 12:05.24 | Zorkman | dowload :) |
| 12:05.54 | matholio | slaps head |
| 12:06.33 | Dave | por Zorkman |
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| 12:07.27 | Zorkman | yes Dave? |
| 12:09.36 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rde02c3b12822 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg-utils] Bump up the reversion of opkg-utils to 4592 |
| 12:11.49 | kd8ikt | what are you doing dave |
| 12:13.08 | kd8ikt | I know you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen. |
| 12:14.06 | zash | is this how the headset-port is wired: http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/motorola_headset_pinout.shtml ? |
| 12:14.29 | zash | because that feels backwards |
| 12:15.48 | matholio | anyone know how to clear an opkg lock ? 'Could not obtain administrative lock' |
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| 12:16.40 | zash | matholio: check that there is no other opkg holding the lock |
| 12:16.48 | koenigjm | Is there a good gps/driving-directions app? |
| 12:17.12 | matholio | zash: there was but I ctrl-z |
| 12:17.19 | kd8ikt | navit if you can get it to work koenigjm |
| 12:17.26 | zash | matholio: ctrl-z = suspend |
| 12:17.33 | kd8ikt | do i have to enable accelerometer now? |
| 12:17.50 | kd8ikt | cause they dont look like they are on by deafult even with neod killed |
| 12:18.00 | zash | matholio: type fg if you still have the same terminal |
| 12:18.14 | Tanuva | koenigjm: there's navit which has routing, but I didn't get it to run yet. Others did. |
| 12:18.38 | zash | matholio: and then ctrl-c if you want it dead |
| 12:18.45 | Schaeuble | is there any mpd.ipkg out there? |
| 12:19.03 | Tanuva | Schaeuble: we should really kick you for that nick :P |
| 12:19.15 | koenigjm | thanks, I am looking at a couple guides...looks like a fair share of work...but worth it imo ;) |
| 12:19.24 | Schaeuble | Tanuva: :D |
| 12:19.32 | lindi- | rwhitby: org.openmoko.dev failed to build with '| arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/mach-gta02.c:88:44: error: ../plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_gps.h: No such file or directory' :( |
| 12:19.33 | Tanuva | *g* |
| 12:19.35 | Bish | Tanuva: it was already registred, im scared :D |
| 12:19.49 | Tanuva | he's already watching us all |
| 12:19.57 | Bish | just the german ones :/ |
| 12:20.00 | rwhitby | lindi-: XorA fixed that just a while ago |
| 12:20.07 | rwhitby | make update and rebuild |
| 12:20.21 | lindi- | rwhitby: make update && make openmoko-devel-image? |
| 12:20.23 | Bish | so .. i ask again :) , is there any mpd.ipkg out there? |
| 12:20.28 | rwhitby | lindi-: yep |
| 12:20.29 | Tanuva | Bish: oh, right. makes me wonder how he would seperate german logs from the rest of the world... |
| 12:20.40 | bumbl | is happy. Stage3 is waiting for me. |
| 12:20.42 | Tanuva | s/seperate/separate/ |
| 12:21.01 | Bish | Tanuva: ... just view the connection of german ISP's , where is the problem |
| 12:21.03 | Dave | :) |
| 12:21.09 | Bish | bumbl: what do u mean with stage3? |
| 12:21.18 | Dave | Zorkman, so the neod replacement isn't really good? :P |
| 12:21.23 | Bish | apt: haha, that bot is great |
| 12:21.24 | apt | Bish: what are you talking about? |
| 12:21.24 | bumbl | Bish: gentoo |
| 12:21.27 | Tanuva | hm. okay, one doesn't have to look at the actual irc server |
| 12:21.29 | matholio | zash: fixed. brutally. |
| 12:21.34 | Bish | bumbl: for FR? |
| 12:21.35 | bumbl | I get my notebook today |
| 12:21.42 | Bish | ah i c :P |
| 12:21.48 | Bish | s/c/see |
| 12:21.52 | bumbl | Bish: for the freerunner you have to do a stage 1 |
| 12:22.01 | Bish | bumbl: yeah im to lazy for that |
| 12:22.09 | Bish | s/lazy/blob |
| 12:22.14 | Bish | :( |
| 12:22.18 | Bish | s/lazy/blob/ |
| 12:22.25 | dbmoodb_ | XorA: thank you ish |
| 12:22.25 | bumbl | I might do it if I would have time |
| 12:22.38 | Bish | bumbl: maybe i will it do in qemu sometime |
| 12:22.39 | Tanuva | Bish: that only works for your last msg which was ":(" in this case :) |
| 12:22.51 | Bish | yeah sure |
| 12:22.56 | Bish | s/sure/not sure/ |
| 12:23.03 | bumbl | Bish: afaik qemu is even slower than the freerunner |
| 12:23.04 | Bish | ah i see |
| 12:23.08 | bumbl | icecream is the key |
| 12:23.15 | Bish | depends on my cpu , uh ? :D |
| 12:23.28 | Bish | bumbl: icecc? or what do u mean? |
| 12:23.33 | dbmoodb_ | bumbl: its not slow... try another distro |
| 12:23.41 | bumbl | Bish: yes |
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| 12:24.09 | Bish | bumbl: but first of i all i'll need a running system to use icecc |
| 12:24.34 | bumbl | dbmoodb_: never tried qemu, just that what I heard |
| 12:24.52 | dbmoodb_ | bumbl: sure... but i find debian is fast |
| 12:25.30 | bumbl | who needs debian |
| 12:25.34 | Bish | bumbl: the stop spreading rumors |
| 12:25.49 | Bish | i dont think that my +6000 is not able to emulate a 500 mhz cpu |
| 12:25.53 | ecraven | bumbl: me ;) |
| 12:26.04 | ecraven | Bish: did you try qemu? |
| 12:26.15 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: still can't compile linphone |
| 12:26.37 | Ainulindale | Any dbus expert here ? |
| 12:26.46 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: not surprising, I don't think it's had a lot of love in OE |
| 12:27.03 | Ainulindale | I have a simple question about asynchronous calls using dbus-glib : whether it frees its data or not |
| 12:27.12 | dbmoodb_ | !fsck can we get a fscking voip client or are people afraid of voip? |
| 12:27.27 | ecraven | is there a way to interface with dbus via a unix domain socket? or do i absolutely *need* to use libdbus? |
| 12:27.37 | XorA | wonders what dbmoodb_ blames him for |
| 12:27.47 | dbmoodb_ | XorA: blamed |
| 12:27.50 | dbmoodb_ | don't any more |
| 12:28.52 | bumbl | XorA: you are an openmoko offical? do you now where to get a snapshot of the actual asu |
| 12:28.56 | dbmoodb_ | but seeing your a member of staff i could place an order for a conspiracy theory involving the use of voip over wifi and specific payments from certain companies. just kidding :) |
| 12:29.02 | bumbl | s/now/know/ |
| 12:29.18 | XorA | bumbl: you have patience as the ASU team irons it flat |
| 12:29.29 | bumbl | ahh ok |
| 12:29.35 | XorA | bumbl: its almost there from what I heard last |
| 12:29.41 | rwhitby | bumbl: you can build it yourself using mokomakefile and the correct branch |
| 12:29.50 | rwhitby | all the sources are fully public |
| 12:29.57 | bumbl | rwhitby: I know |
| 12:30.03 | rwhitby | then go to it! |
| 12:30.05 | bumbl | but I have to build mokomakefile first |
| 12:30.19 | bumbl | which I can only do after I get my laptop back |
| 12:30.25 | bumbl | + install gentoo on it |
| 12:30.31 | bumbl | this takes time |
| 12:30.43 | rwhitby | well, how can you fix the bugs in ASU if you can't build the image? |
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| 12:30.59 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 12:31.05 | bumbl | rwhitby: at least I could report them |
| 12:31.10 | dbmoodb_ | XorA: is 2008.8 official / released --- anyone in here used / using it ? |
| 12:31.27 | rwhitby | bumbl: that is true, but I expect they want to fix all they can in the next 24 hours before they start getting external reports |
| 12:31.35 | XorA | dbmoodb_: wait for the announcement |
| 12:31.37 | mattwj2002 | hey guys |
| 12:32.02 | si-m1 | dbmoodb_: its not too usable yet, lacks some general stuff like the power-menu |
| 12:32.27 | rwhitby | si-m1: are you sure you're running ASU, and not the bogus image that's currently on buildhost? |
| 12:32.33 | bumbl | from which branch are the asu builds with the flower @ buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 12:32.36 | rwhitby | if you see a flower, it's not ASU |
| 12:32.39 | si-m1 | rwhitby: ah, probably |
| 12:32.48 | rwhitby | bumbl: the wrong branch |
| 12:32.57 | rwhitby | hence the flower |
| 12:33.01 | si-m1 | where's the non-bogus one? :) |
| 12:33.04 | bumbl | rwhitby: yes I know I read the thread @ devel list |
| 12:33.25 | rwhitby | si-m1: you can build one at any time, or you can wait for the binary release tomorrow |
| 12:33.33 | si-m1 | oh, nice |
| 12:33.52 | rwhitby | (dunno which timezone though) |
| 12:34.40 | dbmoodb_ | ah ... does the openmoko freerunner have irda ? |
| 12:34.43 | rwhitby | XorA: you really should get them to remove those bogus images |
| 12:34.46 | Tanuva | dbmoodb_: no |
| 12:34.53 | Tanuva | dbmoodb_: but you could use some irda usb dongle |
| 12:35.32 | dbmoodb_ | *cough* but i would need to build a module for it |
| 12:35.50 | Tanuva | that's the part I don't know anything about :D |
| 12:36.19 | dbmoodb_ | -- i wish i could use my usb wifi card -- it is linux drivers its an rt73... but there is no module and i havent had anyluck building one for it |
| 12:36.32 | rwhitby | XorA: looks like gst-plugins-ugly needs a sane srcrev bump too |
| 12:36.40 | mattwj2002 | man I would love to buy a Neo Freerun |
| 12:36.43 | Tanuva | dbmoodb_: why would you want to do that since the fr has wifi? |
| 12:36.54 | rwhitby | tv remote? |
| 12:36.54 | mattwj2002 | I just wish data plans weren't so expensive |
| 12:37.32 | dbmoodb_ | Tanuva: well.... the rt73 is a wifi card that has monitor mode, injection .... and a bigger antenna |
| 12:37.36 | rwhitby | mattwj2002: I bet your plans are much much cheaper than mine |
| 12:37.43 | Tanuva | dbmoodb_: ah :) |
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| 12:37.59 | dbmoodb_ | its also faster i think... not sure on the moko |
| 12:38.09 | rwhitby | presents http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pH8FtEJElarzjZCy7CKj8ag&hl=en as a testament to expensive Australian data plans |
| 12:38.24 | mattwj2002 | well for AT&T they want to charge $0.01 per KB |
| 12:38.25 | mattwj2002 | :O |
| 12:38.29 | rwhitby | luxury |
| 12:38.32 | mattwj2002 | D: |
| 12:38.47 | mattwj2002 | that is $10 for a MB |
| 12:39.03 | Dave | roflneod |
| 12:39.04 | mattwj2002 | yeah it is....I just thought it would be nice for google maps and such |
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| 12:39.26 | rwhitby | I wish I could get a $10/mb plan |
| 12:39.42 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: we really should set up some small / link into a small non-for profit geeky oranisation and fix the state of gprs $$$ |
| 12:39.48 | zash | mattwj2002: 10 USD per MB? |
| 12:40.50 | mattwj2002 | yup |
| 12:40.50 | rwhitby | mattwj2002: don't you mean GB? |
| 12:40.50 | rwhitby | oh no, you meant MB |
| 12:40.52 | mattwj2002 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT#Data_Access_Plans |
| 12:41.06 | Tanuva | wtf! exposure finally runs! I never had that yet... |
| 12:41.15 | zash | my prepaid has like ~3 USD/MB (20 sek) |
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| 12:41.23 | bumbl | Tanuva: not? |
| 12:41.36 | Tanuva | bumbl: nope |
| 12:41.44 | dbmoodb_ | zash: ??? i thought you use people got unlimited data on...certain plans... |
| 12:41.47 | bumbl | exposure fails to connect to wpa2 though |
| 12:42.12 | dbmoodb_ | bumbl: what is exposure ? |
| 12:42.24 | zash | dbmoodb_: prepaid, and i cant use any data on my 3310 |
| 12:42.29 | Tanuva | dbmoodb_: a settings gui |
| 12:42.33 | SpeedEvil | hugs t-mobile (UK) |
| 12:42.46 | mjr | hugs saunalahti (Finland) |
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| 12:42.57 | dbmoodb_ | sure thing.... |
| 12:43.03 | dbmoodb_ | still |
| 12:43.12 | dbmoodb_ | !fsck over no voip client |
| 12:43.24 | SpeedEvil | 10 quid/megabyte, but capped at 1 pound a day, and you can buy a 5 day pass for 2.50 |
| 12:43.38 | bumbl | dbmoodb_: the asu replacement for that what you get when you press the power button on 2007.2 + a configuration dialog |
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| 12:44.09 | mattwj2002 | I still won't mind getting a Neo Freerun even if I didn't have a data plan |
| 12:44.11 | mattwj2002 | :) |
| 12:44.15 | Tanuva | just found out what people complaining about a black bar actually ment |
| 12:44.18 | mattwj2002 | I love open source :D |
| 12:45.46 | lindi- | rwhitby: now it fails with fatal: failed to unpack tree object 855f715f8568a50391d1526ab2954925c08dab79 |
| 12:46.00 | rysiek | hugs BRAMA lab (Poland) |
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| 12:46.29 | zedstar_ | speedevil wots the quota per day on that 1 pound limit? |
| 12:46.57 | rwhitby | lindi-: weird, I just built it here based on the fix that XorA did |
| 12:47.02 | mattwj2002 | at least they don't let you go over.... |
| 12:47.04 | rysiek | works at a telco-sponsored R&D lab on Warsaw University of Technology and has an unlimited plan for free (as in beer) ;) |
| 12:47.20 | mattwj2002 | here in America they don't care how big the bill is :S |
| 12:47.41 | rysiek | lindi-: oh, btw, bluetooth works AOK on yesterday's 2007.2 |
| 12:47.51 | XorA | lindi-: run it again, there is something wierd about the git fetcher |
| 12:49.23 | Dave | slaps Zorkman around a bit with a large neod |
| 12:49.24 | Zorkman | rysiek: you get a good range with bluetooth? |
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| 12:49.34 | Zorkman | i'm here dave, what's up? |
| 12:49.37 | rysiek | Zorkman: #define GOOD_RANGE |
| 12:49.38 | Dave | :P |
| 12:49.45 | Dave | haha, rysiek |
| 12:50.00 | rysiek | Zorkman: tested and reliable within 2-3m, not tested beyond that |
| 12:50.01 | Zorkman | rysiek: comparable to your other bluetooth devices :) (i have none) |
| 12:50.11 | rysiek | yeah, pretty much |
| 12:50.19 | lindi- | XorA: still fails |
| 12:50.42 | Zorkman | mmm; there 's a thread on the community list about "Bad A2DP Performance |
| 12:50.42 | Zorkman | |
| 12:50.46 | rwhitby | uses Treo650 with a range of about 10m inside a house with wooden frame |
| 12:50.56 | rwhitby | I hope the FR does as well |
| 12:51.15 | Zorkman | rysiek: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1656 is the bug number |
| 12:51.21 | mattwj2002 | got to go |
| 12:51.22 | XorA | thinks someone removed that git object |
| 12:51.33 | Zorkman | sings "it wasn't me" |
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| 12:52.07 | XorA | lindi-: edit conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc and change linux-openmoko to c596d9067aa789a62e51df89917680eabe6453e2 |
| 12:52.33 | rwhitby | XorA: is someone at OM rewriting history in public git repos? |
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| 12:52.57 | XorA | rwhitby: they must be, coz that rev exists for me and you |
| 12:53.15 | zedstar_ | hopes the bluetooth range is good cos i wanna log peoples bluetooth names i come in contact with |
| 12:53.18 | dbmoodb_ | XorA that isn't public ;) |
| 12:53.34 | spdr | god 2008.08 sux. |
| 12:53.44 | Zorkman | spdr: that is not 2008.08 |
| 12:53.46 | rwhitby | only builds from public stuff, so it must be public |
| 12:53.48 | dbmoodb_ | zedstar_: well if you really want to know... i was sitting in a lecture and logged lets see let me check the file |
| 12:53.54 | Zorkman | (unless you have built it yourself) |
| 12:54.04 | spdr | flashed an image |
| 12:54.07 | lindi- | rwhitby: can you fix that so that other people don't need to edit this again? ;) |
| 12:54.11 | rwhitby | spdr: did you see a flower? |
| 12:54.18 | spdr | just like a blond, looks good, can do nothing |
| 12:54.18 | lindi- | XorA: changed 855f715f8568a50391d1526ab2954925c08dab79 to c596d9067aa789a62e51df89917680eabe6453e2 |
| 12:54.21 | Zorkman | spdr: there are no 2008.08 flashable images for the public |
| 12:54.26 | rwhitby | lindi-: no, but I expect XorA is doing so right now ... |
| 12:54.36 | zedstar_ | dbmoodb ok cool |
| 12:54.41 | spdr | Zorkman, public? |
| 12:54.41 | lindi- | XorA: conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: needs update |
| 12:54.43 | rwhitby | spdr: if you saw a flower, it aint asu |
| 12:54.44 | XorA | has a whole merge needing to be pushed, could take a while |
| 12:54.55 | spdr | for real ? |
| 12:54.59 | rwhitby | for real |
| 12:55.05 | spdr | i saw a yeng-yang |
| 12:55.06 | Zorkman | yes "my nigga" |
| 12:55.07 | dbmoodb_ | well i got about 12 people... only not that great |
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| 12:55.18 | zedstar_ | some dood in holland setup some project just to log bluetooth broadcast names....amazing the crap people set their device name to! |
| 12:55.19 | spdr | oh yeah and a flower before :\ |
| 12:55.19 | dbmoodb_ | is iinet that unreliable ? |
| 12:55.27 | dbmoodb_ | zedstar_: yeah i know |
| 12:55.34 | rwhitby | yep, what you've seen is 2007.2 qtopia-x11 image unstable head |
| 12:55.42 | dbmoodb_ | check this out ... 00:1B:AF:DD:99:3DIm a Poof |
| 12:55.47 | zedstar_ | lol |
| 12:55.50 | Zorkman | :) |
| 12:55.56 | El_Senator | rwhitby: so, ASU is something totally different? |
| 12:56.04 | spdr | rwhitby, ah, true |
| 12:56.13 | rwhitby | El_Senator: it's close, but not the same |
| 12:56.19 | spdr | so where can i get 2008.08 ? |
| 12:56.21 | Zorkman | El_Senator: not "totally" it's also qtopia and based on X |
| 12:56.27 | Zorkman | spdr: you can get it in the future |
| 12:56.31 | spdr | sux |
| 12:56.33 | rwhitby | spdr: you can build it, invent a time machine, or wait 24 hours |
| 12:56.39 | Zorkman | (one or two days spdr) |
| 12:56.40 | zedstar_ | dbmoodb interesting social experiement this can be :) |
| 12:56.40 | kd8ikt | i had my nokia set to symbianOSux |
| 12:56.52 | spdr | opensource my ass, gimme unstable :0 |
| 12:56.53 | El_Senator | Zorkman: i mean, is the qtopia release in daily not the development image of the current state of ASU then? |
| 12:56.58 | dbmoodb_ | yah 5C:BB:86:4E:66:01蛋糕 any one want to translate ? |
| 12:57.03 | Zorkman | El_Senator: nope |
| 12:57.06 | El_Senator | ok |
| 12:57.07 | rwhitby | spdr: if you're a real developerm then build it yourself |
| 12:57.08 | El_Senator | i thought it was |
| 12:57.22 | zedstar_ | ive written a bluetooth to sqlite logger but not got round to using it |
| 12:57.24 | El_Senator | looking forward till tomorrow |
| 12:57.32 | El_Senator | to |
| 12:57.35 | dbmoodb_ | btscanner ? |
| 12:57.41 | dbmoodb_ | btscan* |
| 12:57.42 | zedstar_ | btlogger |
| 12:57.53 | rysiek | gtg, cu all |
| 12:57.54 | rwhitby | open source is not about getting pre-built images, it's about being able to build from source so you can help fix the bugs |
| 12:57.57 | spdr | dbmoodb_, 蛋糕 == Cake |
| 12:58.10 | dns53 | what are the main differences between all the daily images? |
| 12:58.17 | El_Senator | rwhitby: it depends on your skill level i think |
| 12:58.20 | dbmoodb_ | dns53: do a diff |
| 12:58.22 | spdr | rwhitby, i know, so where is the source :0 |
| 12:58.36 | rwhitby | spdr: mokomakefile, org.openmoko.asu.dev branch |
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| 12:58.55 | dns53 | what do the file names of the development images mean> |
| 12:58.58 | rwhitby | El_Senator: true, but if you don't have the skill, you can't complain about not getting images before they are ready for release |
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| 12:59.16 | El_Senator | rwhitby: i totally agree |
| 12:59.29 | El_Senator | i have deep respect for those people who do the low level stuff |
| 12:59.34 | El_Senator | i |
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| 12:59.56 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: i don't. so long as the beta is not going to brick phones and it is made clear that is a beta with big big warnings all over it |
| 12:59.59 | El_Senator | i'm just waiting for the ASU to be released so i have a base to develop on :) |
| 13:00.12 | El_Senator | dbmoodb_: then compile it yourself |
| 13:00.24 | El_Senator | no one keeps you from doing that |
| 13:00.27 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: you can't brick a gta02 |
| 13:00.49 | rwhitby | (unless you hook up a debug board and recite the secret incantation) |
| 13:00.55 | zedstar_ | unless u drop it down the toilet |
| 13:01.04 | dbmoodb_ | El_Senator: i don't want or need to.... that's why i like debian |
| 13:01.22 | dbmoodb_ | zedstar_: mmm its only water and... |
| 13:01.23 | El_Senator | dbmoodb_: then wait for it |
| 13:01.30 | spdr | is the SMS in UTF ? |
| 13:01.37 | dbmoodb_ | El_Senator i'm not upgrading till people says its all cool. |
| 13:01.56 | dbmoodb_ | should have applied my debian stable ideas to my phone a few updates ago... |
| 13:01.58 | El_Senator | dbmoodb_: To ASU you mean? |
| 13:02.16 | dbmoodb_ | eh no i'm running 2007.2 |
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| 13:02.32 | El_Senator | then i don't understand what you are trying to say :) |
| 13:02.45 | El_Senator | but nevermind |
| 13:02.53 | rwhitby | El_Senator: I think dbmoodb_ is stating the opposite to spdr |
| 13:03.01 | dbmoodb_ | El_Senator: i'm saying that for certain things a beta should be made available before an official release that's all. |
| 13:03.07 | El_Senator | ok |
| 13:03.14 | zedstar_ | ASU has the enlightment window manager? |
| 13:03.23 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: everything in OM is beta for at least the next two years |
| 13:03.39 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: ? rofl |
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| 13:03.48 | kd8ikt | agrees with rwhitby |
| 13:04.09 | rwhitby | has run nslu2-linux.org for 4 years, and we've only ever done beta releases. |
| 13:04.13 | dbmoodb_ | starts fixing the debian lenny install for the launch |
| 13:04.31 | raster | ja |
| 13:04.37 | El_Senator | rwhitby: heh, the nslu2... good times |
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| 13:04.57 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: ?? rofl ..... but the devices are running etch no ? ....so how is it beta after a few years of running etch / other things on them |
| 13:04.57 | kd8ikt | openwrt aswell |
| 13:05.02 | El_Senator | but then i got one of these: http://www.soekris.com/net5501.htm |
| 13:05.12 | zedstar_ | raster is there an equivalent to matchbox where u can write panel icons thingies? |
| 13:05.13 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: true, the debian releases are not beta |
| 13:05.25 | rwhitby | but they are released by debian, not nslu2-linux :-) |
| 13:05.26 | raster | zedstar_: yes |
| 13:05.38 | zedstar_ | raster ok cool.....i wanna do this |
| 13:05.41 | raster | gadgets (created by modules) |
| 13:05.53 | raster | identical to the ones "desktop" e uses |
| 13:05.58 | raster | so u write them for one |
| 13:06.01 | raster | uc an write them for the other |
| 13:06.03 | raster | same code |
| 13:06.06 | raster | same elements |
| 13:06.38 | zedstar_ | raster ok and this will work on 2008.8? |
| 13:06.45 | raster | yes |
| 13:06.56 | raster | except there is no way for you to enable the moduel and add the gadget |
| 13:07.07 | raster | as all config has been removed to allow you to do this |
| 13:07.24 | raster | (without incredibly complex command-line incantations) |
| 13:08.42 | zedstar_ | basically ive got some apps that dont need a full gui but need some basic control settings so i think a panel icon app wud be nice |
| 13:09.13 | raster | sure |
| 13:09.20 | raster | desktop e has all u need to add them in |
| 13:09.28 | dbmoodb_ | um... rwhitby why when i installed gpdf does your app go and install tons of gnome ? like stuff i would never use.... if that a gnome issue or should i have picked a different pdf viewer ? |
| 13:09.32 | raster | write a module - its just a file.so dleopen()Ed module |
| 13:09.40 | raster | err |
| 13:09.43 | raster | dlopen()ed |
| 13:09.54 | raster | and then just enable the module in the modules config dialog |
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| 13:10.16 | zedstar_ | ok sounds good i will try and find some examples to modify |
| 13:10.19 | raster | and then go find your favorite gadget region (the desktop gadman, or a shelf) |
| 13:10.21 | raster | and add it in |
| 13:10.22 | raster | BUT |
| 13:10.25 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: what's my app? |
| 13:10.37 | raster | E in ASU has had the moduel config dialog removed/made inaccessible |
| 13:10.37 | dbmoodb_ | mokomakefile? |
| 13:10.55 | raster | and has no config dialogs accessible for enabling/disabling/adding/removign gadgets from any places they can live |
| 13:11.06 | raster | so it's basically been neutered by design |
| 13:11.09 | rwhitby | mokomakefile is simply a convenience wrapper around the OpenEmbedded build system, and OpenEmbedded and OpenMoko metadata recipes. |
| 13:11.19 | raster | e as such is perfectyl capable of it |
| 13:11.23 | ConfidentiaL | when I connect my freerunner to my computer now, the battery is not charging. Is this a bug? Initially when I got the phone I charged it from the computer usb... |
| 13:11.25 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: so you're barking up the wrong tree here ... |
| 13:11.35 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: ah good point |
| 13:11.48 | zedstar_ | raster any docs for this ASU specific behaviour? |
| 13:11.49 | dbmoodb_ | i wasn't barking up any trees just thinking gnome was very dependant |
| 13:12.00 | rwhitby | you need to find out who packaged gpdf (the 'g' at the front says Gnome to me ..) and talk to them |
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| 13:12.05 | raster | nup |
| 13:12.14 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: yep its getting stuff from their site too |
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| 13:12.40 | rwhitby | thinks that Linux was better before Gnome and KDE |
| 13:12.46 | raster | you can do some complicated things to bootstrap yourself gadgets again |
| 13:13.05 | XorA | rwhitby: well KDE is on path to extinction, so you only need to work out how to kill gnome :-D |
| 13:13.06 | raster | it involves finding the .src files that get compiled to user .cfg files |
| 13:13.16 | raster | compiling one (check Makefile on how) |
| 13:13.21 | raster | and replacing your config with the new one |
| 13:13.27 | raster | and adding a section to add the gagdet |
| 13:13.32 | dbmoodb_ | XorA: disagree kde 4 is beta still sure but kde 3.5 is nice and gnome is good |
| 13:13.33 | raster | but as such this was never intended to work like that |
| 13:13.48 | raster | e was always intended to work with a easy-to-access user config gui to do these things |
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| 13:14.21 | rwhitby | dbmoodb_: now you've got all that gnome goodness on your phone to support your pdf reader :-) |
| 13:14.26 | zedstar_ | ok cool first i need to get something working on a normal desktop to understand the basics i think |
| 13:14.32 | dbmoodb_ | rwhitby: ....................faints |
| 13:14.50 | rwhitby | rests his case |
| 13:15.17 | dbmoodb_ | must reboot to debian |
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| 13:24.25 | zedstar | raster other thing i needed to look at was displaying simple alerts like the notify messages in ASU |
| 13:24.59 | raster | from the gadget module? |
| 13:25.32 | zedstar | raster well i was thinking from sending messages to dbus....ive not actually tried in gnome either so not sure |
| 13:25.50 | raster | who initiates the message? |
| 13:26.03 | zedstar | raster a daemon that is continually running |
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| 13:26.21 | raster | there's nothing to do that for u |
| 13:26.29 | raster | u'll need some front end that listens to messages from a daemon |
| 13:26.32 | raster | and displays them |
| 13:26.48 | zedstar | raster can the gadget module handle that? |
| 13:26.53 | raster | it could |
| 13:26.59 | raster | e does use dbus |
| 13:27.08 | raster | and listens to some system dbus messages |
| 13:27.13 | raster | and other session ones |
| 13:27.46 | Robot101 | implement the libnotify spec? |
| 13:28.10 | Robot101 | (from the department of making existing software Just Work) |
| 13:28.11 | raster | there's already a notification module for e17 |
| 13:28.16 | raster | that does just that |
| 13:28.19 | Robot101 | job's a good'n :) |
| 13:28.23 | raster | but u'd need to build it and install it |
| 13:28.31 | raster | then find a way to tell e to load the module by default |
| 13:28.31 | raster | etc. |
| 13:29.09 | raster | but then u would also be lacking coherent theme setup for the output of such a module as it's simply not accounted for in the default theme |
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| 13:29.17 | raster | (elements that are never used thus not configured) |
| 13:29.19 | raster | etc. |
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| 13:30.43 | zedstar | but libnotify shud run on ASU right? |
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| 13:31.05 | raster | u still need a front end to do the display |
| 13:31.09 | koenigjm | I am going to get a 2GB sd, is there a good set of instructions on how to install 2007.2 on a new card? |
| 13:31.15 | raster | the notification protocol is just that |
| 13:31.17 | raster | a protocol |
| 13:31.32 | zedstar | ok right |
| 13:31.33 | raster | a standard to encode messages/notifications for a user to see |
| 13:31.42 | raster | u need a producer - someone to create the messages |
| 13:31.44 | raster | and a consumer |
| 13:31.51 | raster | ie somethnig to turn them into real visible things |
| 13:32.07 | raster | u can invent your own protocol if u like |
| 13:32.19 | raster | if your daemon and front end are really an integrated solution/lump |
| 13:32.31 | raster | its up to you really what you do |
| 13:33.22 | zedstar | so far i just took a quick look at EWL docs and that seemed pretty straight forward and similar to gtk |
| 13:33.50 | raster | try etk |
| 13:33.53 | raster | its even closer to gtk |
| 13:33.53 | raster | :) |
| 13:34.02 | raster | (if u want familiar) |
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| 13:41.17 | zedstar | raster so say i knock a simple app up using etk now for ASU it will display ok but gtk apps gonna lack correct theming? |
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| 13:43.27 | Zorkman | would like to point out that Orrery is very nice |
| 13:44.27 | spdr | hmmm, i flashed back the old image, and did an update and upgrade, and it seems it installed everything twice, where did i go wrong? :S |
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| 13:44.42 | spdr | i mean, it displays each icon twice |
| 13:45.38 | |FiLiP| | spdr: wow, you just cloned an FR |
| 13:45.51 | spdr | no fun. |
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| 13:47.09 | spdr | should'nt the packages get replaced ? |
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| 13:54.37 | lindi- | XorA: sorry but what should i do about "conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: needs update"? |
| 13:55.29 | XorA | lindi-: oh, does MokoMakefile do a git checkout everytime you build, I didnt realise that, erm, copy the line you put into your local.conf and revert the file to original |
| 13:55.41 | lindi- | XorA: i am not sure |
| 13:57.30 | lindi- | XorA: so i should add 'SRCREV_pn-linux-openmoko ?= "c596d9067aa789a62e51df89917680eabe6453e2"' to build/conf/local.conf? |
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| 14:00.09 | XorA | lindi-: yes, and revert the change you made |
| 14:00.28 | XorA | lindi-: I will push this change, but Im in middle of a build and might take an hour or so still |
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| 14:02.40 | ajehals | tdobson: hello |
| 14:03.31 | jOERG_rw | anybody got this link to animated FR HTML where you can rotate model of FR any direction by moving the mouse? Can't find it anymore |
| 14:04.12 | ajehals | tdobson: i have everyting working 100% now incl the qwerty kb on te hx4700 - wondered if you could help tho... |
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| 14:09.00 | kd8ikt | jOERG_rw: http://www.brax4your.net/omoko/swf/main.swf ? that it |
| 14:09.48 | kd8ikt | its not working for me anymore though |
| 14:09.49 | dbmoodb_ | hi there if i'm using a chroot on my openmoko how do i open an app / x app ? |
| 14:09.57 | dbmoodb_ | does export display blah work ? |
| 14:10.21 | beni_ | dbmoodb_: export display works |
| 14:10.34 | dbmoodb_ | oh? |
| 14:10.35 | beni_ | set `export DISPLAY=":0.0" and you get your app on the screen |
| 14:10.48 | jOERG_rw | kd8ikt: probably not. Can't start that in Konqueror :-/ |
| 14:13.17 | dbmoodb_ | beni_: doesnt for me |
| 14:15.26 | balrog-k1n | dbmoodb_: what error do you get from X apps? |
| 14:15.58 | dbmoodb_ | warning cannot open display -- display unset |
| 14:16.03 | ConfidentiaL | how do I access the terminal in om2008.8 ? |
| 14:16.13 | balrog-k1n | dbmoodb_: and echo $DISPLAY shows the value ok? |
| 14:16.42 | dbmoodb_ | ah :0.0 yah |
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| 14:17.30 | balrog-k1n | what app is that? |
| 14:17.41 | dbmoodb_ | pidgin |
| 14:18.08 | balrog-k1n | weird |
| 14:18.32 | balrog-k1n | pidgin --display=0 should work too |
| 14:18.39 | Bish | wtf? |
| 14:18.43 | balrog-k1n | err, :0 |
| 14:18.49 | Bish | DISPLAY=":0.0" pidgin |
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| 14:18.51 | Bish | will work |
| 14:18.52 | Bish | or |
| 14:19.03 | Bish | export DISPLAY=":0.0" |
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| 14:20.03 | dbmoodb_ | same error |
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| 14:20.19 | balrog-k1n | with --display=:0? |
| 14:20.27 | balrog-k1n | is X running? :p |
| 14:20.48 | Bish | balrog-k1n: .... |
| 14:20.52 | Bish | stfu please? |
| 14:20.52 | dbmoodb_ | on? |
| 14:21.02 | Bish | oh fuck |
| 14:21.10 | Bish | pidgin has a --display parameter, im sorry |
| 14:21.17 | balrog-k1n | DISPLAY=:0 pidgin works identically though |
| 14:21.43 | dbmoodb_ | yikes its semi works |
| 14:21.51 | balrog-k1n | they are the same thing |
| 14:22.16 | dbmoodb_ | killed my screen tho |
| 14:22.19 | ConfidentiaL | how do I access the terminal in om2008.8 ? |
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| 14:24.15 | Bish | ssh ConfidentiaL ? |
| 14:24.38 | dbmoodb_ | Bish: i think he meant on phone |
| 14:25.13 | Bish | dbmoodb_: yeah i know, but its an developer mobilephone |
| 14:25.27 | ConfidentiaL | I did, so I can connect to wireless and ssh in... |
| 14:25.34 | Bish | if u cant see a terminal, therewont be one |
| 14:26.14 | lindi- | dbmoodb_: see wiki page Debian for instructions |
| 14:26.30 | lindi- | dbmoodb_: i added chroot instructions to the end this week |
| 14:26.39 | dbmoodb_ | lindi-: ah ? i added those.... |
| 14:26.48 | dbmoodb_ | i got help .. |
| 14:27.07 | lindi- | dbmoodb_: what did you add? ;) |
| 14:27.09 | dbmoodb_ | those work out of chroot |
| 14:28.04 | dbmoodb_ | ah can we use ssh from the phone to get remote x -- there is no -X |
| 14:28.13 | dbmoodb_ | and tere is nfm |
| 14:28.29 | dbmoodb_ | tfm* |
| 14:28.55 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb23c1277d37e 10/packages/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [bashism] Move away from pushd/popd as it is only available for bash |
| 14:28.55 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r0fd7fcae7742 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: new efl and illume versions - internal kbd now config option. code default is |
| 14:28.58 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r186423c835ba 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [diversity] Bump up the reversion of diversity-daemon to 483 |
| 14:28.59 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rd8a452e69ab0 10/packages/packagekit/ (files/remove_search_memory_leak.patch packagekit_git.bb): [packagekit] Add a patch for packagekit |
| 14:29.00 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rfa099b7dd9ec 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-dates2_svn.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. |
| 14:29.03 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r37a6fec0c434 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. |
| 14:29.06 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r3b1b713b53a5 10/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-mediaplayer2_svn.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. |
| 14:29.09 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r2c8e7a616d6f 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [assassin] Change the source URI of assassin |
| 14:29.14 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r0d70c90cb51d 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Assassin need Tags. |
| 14:29.20 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rd87d47205314 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): update efl and illume to match to have default configs as test src and |
| 14:29.22 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * re7c9888a2168 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-qtopia-x11.bb: [openmoko] Replace minesweep with python-efl sudoku as default game in ASU |
| 14:29.25 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r25c83f9f97c2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [pyefl-sudoku] Bump up the reversion of pyefl-sudoku to 28 |
| 14:29.28 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r30bd439f9d14 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up the reversion of assassin to 222 |
| 14:29.31 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r9d451d514df5 10/packages/gpe-scap/gpe-scap_1.3.bb: [gpe-scap] Replace the default icon for design issue |
| 14:29.34 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rc28f1f3807f1 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Replace icons for ASU |
| 14:29.41 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r28d0c47f6d12 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion for exposure to 59 |
| 14:29.44 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r8513e326aeaf 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin-thumbnail] Bump up the reversion of assassin-thumbnail to 4577 |
| 14:29.44 | Bish | wow, tough guy this julian chu ! |
| 14:29.47 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r3a6cb086a659 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Change the TAG which used by assassin |
| 14:29.50 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r2cd5da802771 10/packages/gpe-scap/gpe-scap_1.3.bb: [openmoko] Change the TAG which used by assassin in gpe-scap |
| 14:29.53 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r14dcb6c5e411 10/packages/packagekit/ (files/racing_condition.patch packagekit_git.bb): [packagekit] Add a patch for packagekit |
| 14:30.04 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re5c3effc9039 10/packages/openmoko-projects/pyefl-sudoku_svn.bb: [sudoku] Use SRCPV instead of SRCREV in the asu branch |
| 14:30.07 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r42af424b8bfb 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia, two ATD related changes for testing |
| 14:30.10 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r0be40952d81f 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [opk] Prepare to switch over to the "opk" fileending |
| 14:30.13 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r4ee9a8b0264c 10/classes/ (package_opk.bbclass rootfs_opk.bbclass): [opk] First set of function name renaming |
| 14:30.16 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rf00ce91b8915 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [opkg-utils] Add svn version of these tools |
| 14:30.19 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re1c6ef85a846 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [packaging] Continue with the opk renaming |
| 14:30.28 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r281674e26bb2 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [asu] Create ASU/Om2008.8 task and image (to ease removing Qtopia from it) |
| 14:30.31 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rfd25b83f9fd3 10/packages/meta/package-index.bb: [package-index] Make it work with ipk and opk... |
| 14:30.34 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rd9406ae869c8 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade diversity-daemon as of olv's request for wifi changes |
| 14:30.37 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb28cf757027b 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: [openmoko] Back that accidental change out. |
| 14:30.40 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * re8ebdce1e2b8 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get some bugfixes and semi experimental changes |
| 14:30.43 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rb909777601d3 10/packages/gpe-scap/ (gpe-scap-1.3/development_gpe-scap.png gpe-scap_1.3.bb): [gpe-scap] Add Icon into OE |
| 14:30.48 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r9d2a4d6271dd 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (15 files in 2 dirs): [qtopia-phone-x11] Add Icon into OE |
| 14:30.51 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r74f709bf4189 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion of exposure to 62 |
| 14:30.54 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r18881fa1ab63 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia for various changes to SIM/modem handling |
| 14:30.59 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * red2ffd0928cc 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (exposure/setup-r62.diff exposure_svn.bb): [exposure] Add patch to make r62 build |
| 14:31.02 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rce2abe57d188 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [exposure] Bump up the reversion of exposure to 63 |
| 14:31.05 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * rd6c8373f6bb1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up to 188 of illume to get delayed reload of flaunch buttons. |
| 14:31.10 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r46b5c1aaf5c2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion of exposure to 65 |
| 14:31.13 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r3bff30d7a854 10/ (22 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Rename from diversity-maps-* to om-maps-* |
| 14:31.16 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rde62001fe22b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin-thumbnail] Bump up the reversion of assassin-thumnail to 4580 |
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| 14:33.35 | dbmoodb_ | ah .. anyone ? |
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| 14:38.18 | ConfidentiaL | when tomorrow can we expect om2008.8 ? |
| 14:38.46 | koenigjm | how does one go about installing 2007.2 on a new SD? can someone point in the right direction? |
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| 14:41.31 | Bish | what exactly is 2008.8 oO |
| 14:41.32 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc38b27c34f17 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: and fix up suspend on initial boot if it's slow. final change for asu release |
| 14:41.33 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r176b86d96b84 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: ummm.. merge? |
| 14:41.34 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7fdc547c76b0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: fuck.. try this. |
| 14:41.34 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rad5a72602c2a 10/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 14:41.36 | Bish | i just heard of 2007.2 |
| 14:41.37 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r57f8ea68272a 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): move illume back to something normal. comment out illume-none.edj... who'se |
| 14:41.44 | Guilt | is ASU out yet? |
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| 14:41.52 | Bish | Guilt: what do u mean with out? |
| 14:42.51 | Guilt | out for download |
| 14:43.01 | Guilt | not dead |
| 14:43.29 | Bish | Guilt: yes u are able to download a version which is in development |
| 14:44.02 | Bish | Guilt: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080807/ |
| 14:44.08 | Guilt | that's not asu |
| 14:44.19 | Bish | okay, its not |
| 14:44.23 | Guilt | or at least what i inferred from sparky's comments |
| 14:44.34 | Guilt | Bish: i have the 0806 version and i hate it ;0 |
| 14:44.46 | Bish | Guilt: so what's asu? |
| 14:44.53 | ConfidentiaL | Bish: om2008.8 is ASU. ASU is jut the internal name or something... |
| 14:44.53 | Bish | i thought it was .. Illume+qtopia |
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| 14:45.11 | Bish | ConfidentiaL: so .. whats asu= illume+qtopia , right? |
| 14:45.55 | ConfidentiaL | dunno exactly, check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2008.8 |
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| 14:46.21 | ConfidentiaL | think its enlightenment, qtopia and gtk |
| 14:46.42 | Bish | ConfidentiaL: enlightenment == illume |
| 14:46.57 | Bish | ConfidentiaL: illume is a profile for enlightenment |
| 14:46.58 | Guilt | Bish: asu is one without the flower wallpaper |
| 14:47.03 | raster | its more |
| 14:47.06 | Guilt | ;) and possibly many more fixes |
| 14:47.07 | raster | its a profile, theme and module |
| 14:47.09 | bumbl | Bish: the image you are refering to is asu but it is compiled out of a different svn branch of asu and not the current development one |
| 14:47.17 | Bish | raster: . its enough for understanding, right? |
| 14:47.29 | Guilt | Bish: the upgrade won't be worth it |
| 14:47.31 | Guilt | trust me |
| 14:47.33 | Bish | bumbl: so if i use mokomakefile |
| 14:47.36 | Guilt | wait a day or two and then upgrade |
| 14:47.46 | Bish | i will get 2008.8 |
| 14:48.00 | bumbl | Bish: you have to point to the correct branch |
| 14:48.12 | Guilt | it's all confusion |
| 14:48.14 | bumbl | and I don't know which is the correct one |
| 14:48.19 | Bish | yes sure |
| 14:48.20 | bumbl | wait until tomorrow |
| 14:48.22 | Bish | i prefer FSO |
| 14:48.25 | Bish | so it doesnt matter xD |
| 14:48.26 | Guilt | there is downloads.openmoko.org, releases.openmoko.org and buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 14:48.29 | Guilt | and what not?!! |
| 14:48.33 | Bish | i wont use ASU , im not interestet |
| 14:48.44 | Guilt | Bish: it's the official thingie |
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| 14:48.46 | Bish | Guilt: i thinkg.. downloads are.. well.. downloads |
| 14:48.51 | Bish | realeses are the "stable" ones, which are not very stable |
| 14:48.55 | Guilt | releases are released downloads? ;) |
| 14:49.06 | Guilt | well. buildhost has a releases folder too |
| 14:49.09 | bumbl | Guilt: there is no releases.openmoko.org |
| 14:49.09 | Bish | and buildhost , is the daily-stuff |
| 14:49.19 | Guilt | bumbl: or so i recall. my bad, then |
| 14:49.27 | Guilt | Bish: there is a releases folder |
| 14:49.38 | Guilt | see: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/ ? |
| 14:49.47 | Guilt | anyway. they are just complicating things |
| 14:49.55 | Bish | .. yes its the same |
| 14:50.08 | Guilt | no. both are DIFFERENT sites |
| 14:50.16 | Guilt | it's not rsynced or so |
| 14:50.23 | Bish | .. so .. ? |
| 14:50.35 | Guilt | so it's out of sync |
| 14:50.36 | Guilt | ;) |
| 14:50.38 | Bish | i dont care, i like FSO :p |
| 14:50.48 | Bish | illume is great, but qt sux |
| 14:50.49 | Guilt | well. i liked om2007.2 |
| 14:50.55 | Bish | wtf, why? |
| 14:50.56 | Guilt | but too bad they wont support it |
| 14:51.04 | Bish | it was annoying slow |
| 14:51.10 | Bish | and the rotation feature, great :D |
| 14:51.15 | Guilt | well qt is slow too ;) |
| 14:51.20 | Bish | yeah |
| 14:51.21 | Guilt | and the rotation is useless |
| 14:51.24 | Bish | FSO is illume, without qt |
| 14:51.25 | Guilt | the buttons wont work |
| 14:51.29 | Bish | rotation is not useless |
| 14:51.32 | Guilt | :-) hey, brb |
| 14:51.32 | Bish | but it doesnt work |
| 14:51.35 | Bish | im brb , too |
| 14:51.39 | Bish | have to cook minestrone |
| 14:52.25 | Zorkman | Guilt rotation works in 2007.2 as of today |
| 14:52.29 | bumbl | I like asu when it works; but it sucks when it does not work (which is quite often these times) |
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| 14:55.06 | ConfidentiaL | how do you get asu now? is it just the openmoko-qtopia-x11 image? |
| 14:55.23 | Bish | bumbl: so , whats so great about qtopia? |
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| 14:59.41 | bumbl | Bish: I don't use qtopia; just some apps; what is great about it is that the ui and the apps are ready to use and not just proof of concept like the app of the fso image |
| 14:59.51 | raster | Bish: simple enough - i just get picky :) |
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| 15:01.57 | bumbl | raster: is it possible to use your keyboard (that with full qwerty) with 2008.8 or will it be the limited qtopia keyboard which absolutly sucks for the terminal |
| 15:02.15 | bumbl | and will there be the qwerty button or do we need themes for that |
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| 15:03.25 | Bish | if i would build the .. ASU image with mokomakefile |
| 15:03.33 | Bish | would i get om2008.8 ? |
| 15:03.59 | Bish | or.. will i have to build the .. devel image with mokomakefile _tomorrow_ to get it? |
| 15:04.34 | raster | bumbl: m u are stuck with qtopia keyboard as you have no way to reconfigure it to use another one |
| 15:04.44 | raster | well no easy way |
| 15:04.50 | TeNoVi | Hi! I've just installed pidgin for my freerunner (standard image, opkg install). Is it possible to add the msn protocol so that I can chat with people at msn? |
| 15:04.58 | raster | as all the easy ways are designed to be out of any released package/config |
| 15:05.13 | raster | the config ui that lets you select what keyboard to use |
| 15:05.19 | raster | is simply removed |
| 15:05.40 | raster | and its basically an uphill battle for a highly technically skilled person who knows how it all goes to get back that ui |
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| 15:07.51 | koenigjm | TeN: try opkg install libpurple-plugins-msn or libpurple-protocol-msn |
| 15:07.55 | Bish | TeNoVi: it is. u just have to install .. oh yes |
| 15:07.58 | Bish | koenigjm: was faster |
| 15:08.29 | Torikun | how come when doing opkg upgrade on Qtopia, the GUI does not load when you reboot |
| 15:09.06 | TeNoVi | Thanks. I'll try that |
| 15:09.14 | bumbl | raster: so no way to use the terminal with asu? |
| 15:09.21 | bumbl | that is a knockout |
| 15:09.34 | raster | not without doing hacking and custom packges of your own |
| 15:09.51 | raster | and cusotm packages == forks |
| 15:09.56 | raster | and a lot of sshing in |
| 15:10.01 | Basheri | I just don't get it |
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| 15:10.04 | raster | magic dbus messages |
| 15:10.05 | raster | etc. |
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| 15:11.01 | bumbl | <- loves sshing to a phone; but I don't see why useful functions are removed in order to replace them with less functional programs |
| 15:11.33 | summatusmentis | bumbl: space |
| 15:11.44 | summatusmentis | I assume you mean busybox |
| 15:11.47 | raster | because decisions were made that pretty much all config is to be done bia the package manager |
| 15:11.59 | Bish | so 2008.8 will be "ready" to use |
| 15:12.00 | raster | and not acounting for the fact tghe code simply was never designed to work that way |
| 15:12.06 | Bish | it will work as phone ? xD |
| 15:12.15 | Pyrasi | i have a terminal on my ASU build... |
| 15:12.19 | Pyrasi | 2 of them actually |
| 15:12.33 | Pyrasi | vte and openmoko-terminal2 |
| 15:12.35 | bumbl | so I will stick with fso |
| 15:12.37 | TeNoVi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.38 | Pyrasi | both of them work fine |
| 15:12.40 | raster | u'll basically have to wait for community forks |
| 15:12.42 | bumbl | although I like exposure |
| 15:12.43 | raster | or do your own |
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| 15:13.03 | bumbl | even if it couldn't connect to wpa2 the last time i tried |
| 15:13.29 | koenigjm | TeN: let me know if you find a touch keyboard that works well for it. The standard multi-touch seems to cover what you are typing when mid-IM :) |
| 15:14.12 | Bish | bumbl: fso would be great, if sms would work |
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| 15:15.51 | TeNoVi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.15 | bumbl | Bish: I don't use the moko as a daily phone |
| 15:16.20 | bumbl | at the moment |
| 15:16.29 | koenigjm | lol that was a trick...I had to enter it in my local alias first...then drag the entry into password |
| 15:16.33 | bumbl | I need a terminal and a few apps |
| 15:16.43 | Bish | bumbl: me does, |
| 15:16.48 | bumbl | and a sane keyboard + qwerty button |
| 15:16.50 | Bish | om2007.2 . was .. kinda.. "okay" for daily use |
| 15:16.56 | TeNoVi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.01 | bumbl | Bish: I tried to use it with 2007.2 for one day |
| 15:17.12 | Bish | :D |
| 15:17.17 | bumbl | it was a bit annoying - then I switched |
| 15:17.24 | Bish | what exactly |
| 15:17.27 | Bish | calls did work. |
| 15:17.28 | bumbl | to asu (the time it was useable) |
| 15:17.44 | Bish | asu is great, .. but zhone must have sms support (working) |
| 15:17.47 | Bish | no :. i mean fso |
| 15:17.56 | bumbl | Bish: calls did work; but no manual suspend and resume |
| 15:18.02 | koenigjm | I don't mind 2007.2 too much...great to start with |
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| 15:18.21 | Bish | bumbl: i read something about i fix, and used it |
| 15:18.22 | bumbl | and the interface is more or less crap |
| 15:18.26 | Bish | suspend worked great |
| 15:18.27 | Bish | :P |
| 15:18.39 | bumbl | and after suspend no audio |
| 15:18.44 | koenigjm | so does everyone use Qtopia then? :P |
| 15:18.46 | Bish | 2008.8 will be more useable as 2007.2? |
| 15:18.53 | koenigjm | hopefully |
| 15:18.58 | Bish | koenigjm: would like FSO more if zhone has sms support |
| 15:19.00 | bumbl | and only the matchbox keyboard usable in terminal |
| 15:19.13 | Bish | bumbl: .. i was able to type with it, with my fingers, im not kidding |
| 15:19.46 | bumbl | me too but slooooow |
| 15:19.56 | koenigjm | I have to learn was these abbrevs. stand for...FSO and ASU...I will have to read the wiki some more |
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| 15:20.28 | koenigjm | it would be nice to make it more responsive..is that just 2007.2 having too much running in the background? |
| 15:20.45 | koenigjm | or is it pre-mature code? |
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| 15:21.06 | Bish | koenigjm: same here |
| 15:21.13 | LetoTo | how's 2008.8 ? |
| 15:21.15 | Bish | but the illume keyboard is fucking great |
| 15:21.24 | LetoTo | did anyone make a nice multiboot SD card image yet? |
| 15:21.36 | raster | Bish: nah. its not so great |
| 15:21.40 | raster | it can be a lot better |
| 15:21.46 | bumbl | LetoTo: 2008.8 is not out jet |
| 15:21.49 | bumbl | *yet |
| 15:21.57 | raster | wait until i actually get around to doing illume+e as it really SHOULD be |
| 15:21.58 | Bish | raster: a better qwerty keyboard? |
| 15:22.05 | cjb | it's much nicer in landscape mode than in portrait :) |
| 15:22.10 | raster | Bish: its missign dictionary correction right now |
| 15:22.15 | cjb | there's enough room to hit things |
| 15:22.20 | raster | its usable if it has it |
| 15:22.25 | raster | with a finger in portrait |
| 15:22.31 | Pyrasi | The one thing i think the illume keyboard needs is a freakin tab button |
| 15:22.32 | Basheri | raster: can't wait =) |
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| 15:22.33 | raster | not the terminal layout |
| 15:22.36 | raster | the alpha one |
| 15:22.37 | LetoTo | qtopia is not as good. it assumes a stylus, scrollbars are next to impossible to use even with a stylus |
| 15:22.45 | LetoTo | and i like the look and feel of ASU much better :) |
| 15:22.46 | raster | then writing email/sms is easy |
| 15:22.49 | Pyrasi | it pains me not to have a tab when im typing in a terminal |
| 15:22.52 | raster | temrinal is there for termnal junkies |
| 15:23.02 | LetoTo | it pained me more to not have a / in terminal :) |
| 15:23.02 | raster | likely u want a stylus or a very sharp fingernail |
| 15:23.03 | raster | :) |
| 15:23.07 | Bish | LetoTo: .. ever tried FSO? |
| 15:23.16 | Pyrasi | illume has a '/' |
| 15:23.21 | LetoTo | Bish: yes, it shipped with it :) |
| 15:23.25 | koenigjm | lol I need to get illume |
| 15:23.28 | Bish | really? |
| 15:23.29 | koenigjm | I copy and paste all my / |
| 15:23.43 | LetoTo | Bish: oh wait, sorry that was ASU |
| 15:23.51 | Bish | .. so try asu |
| 15:23.55 | LetoTo | if FSO is the qtopia load, then yes. it is currently on the phone |
| 15:24.11 | Bish | LetoTo: i think its illume without qtopia , prove me wrong |
| 15:24.31 | Pyrasi | does anyone know why the tab key isnt included on the list of "other" characters you can select in the immume keyboard? |
| 15:24.56 | Bish | immume, sounds great imummy |
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| 15:25.18 | Pyrasi | lol.....This is why i need tab completion! |
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| 15:25.41 | Bish | haha, .. we dont need a keyboard |
| 15:25.48 | Bish | we just need a tab, like.. steven hawkins |
| 15:25.59 | Bish | works great, if i want to type pyrasi i just do p~tab |
| 15:26.03 | Bish | PriceChild: |
| 15:26.03 | Bish | ! |
| 15:26.24 | TobiX | Bish: Fail? |
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| 15:26.51 | Bish | it was a joke |
| 15:27.36 | TobiX | I don't need no tab completion, I always type perfektly ;) |
| 15:28.22 | Bish | i just need it for tabbing directories |
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| 15:40.18 | dingman | "$ ssh root@192.168.0.202 /bin/dd if=/dev/mtdblock6 > rootfs.jffs2" yields "dd: /dev/mtdblock6: Input/output error" for me after 27MB, reliably. Anyone know a work-around? |
| 15:41.16 | dingman | fdisk claims the device is 258MB |
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| 15:41.39 | darkjames | dmesg print something? |
| 15:41.40 | ronny | dingman: you could reboot into the nand/nor uboot, and load the image via dfu-util |
| 15:42.11 | dingman | end_request: I/O error, dev mtdblock6, sector 53504 |
| 15:42.16 | dingman | and many simillar |
| 15:44.02 | dingman | ronny, about the same thing happens with dfu-util. The wiki says this is expected with dfu-util. |
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| 15:48.53 | hiciu | dingman: dd if=/dev/mtdblock6 of=/dev/null will show this error too? |
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| 15:50.56 | dingman | hiciu, not sure. Lets see... |
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| 15:56.00 | Torikun | Where can I get qtopia snapshots? |
| 15:56.26 | Bish | TobiX: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/ |
| 15:56.29 | Bish | Torikun: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/ |
| 15:56.37 | ArteK | Torikun: ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/snapshots/ |
| 15:56.45 | Torikun | ty |
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| 15:58.17 | Hobart | any news on the gui 802.11 configurator making it closer to being a stock part of the nightlies? |
| 15:58.19 | Torikun | Can you receive phone calls in suspend? |
| 15:58.26 | SpeedEvil | Torikun: yes |
| 15:58.36 | SpeedEvil | Torikun: all builds let you do that. |
| 15:58.46 | SpeedEvil | Of course, waking up and dealing with the call is something else. |
| 15:59.07 | Torikun | huh |
| 15:59.35 | SpeedEvil | It's a bit variable at the moment. |
| 16:00.04 | Blalien | When will the sound problem be fixed? Everytime my phone wakes up from suspend it doesn't have sound. |
| 16:00.29 | SpeedEvil | when someone fixes it. |
| 16:00.44 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:01.25 | kelvie | the version of ASU that returns tomorrow will have proper suspend support? |
| 16:01.41 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:01.57 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:03.49 | dingman | hiciu, yes, the same thing happens when I run dd locally. |
| 16:04.11 | dingman | except it goes way faster when it's redirected to /dev/null ;) |
| 16:04.16 | kelvie | Pyrasi: what's the battery life like now? |
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| 16:04.39 | SpeedEvil | Battery life needs major work before it's fixed. |
| 16:05.06 | SpeedEvil | Kernel work on the cpu freq. |
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| 16:05.15 | kelvie | ah |
| 16:06.19 | ajehals | hi is anyone using openmoko on a hx4700? |
| 16:06.52 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:08.29 | ajehals | Pyrasi: is that on a freerunner? |
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| 16:10.01 | ajehals | what size is the battery on the freerunner? (id google it but am without a web browser atm...) |
| 16:10.30 | SpeedEvil | ˆ1300mAh IIRC |
| 16:10.32 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.37 | gargoyle_grin | 1200mAh. |
| 16:11.13 | ajehals | interesting... |
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| 16:16.21 | ajehals | i have a 3600mAh battery and get about 45 hours total, 5 hours of video or about 22 of audio on the hx4700 - I probably need to look at getting some more granular control over the backlight... |
| 16:16.54 | ajehals | no gps, or gsm obviously... |
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| 16:23.27 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. |
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| 16:23.58 | Bish | 20 h mp3 |
| 16:23.59 | Bish | ? |
| 16:24.00 | Bish | yeah cool |
| 16:24.05 | pyknite | 20h of music, i think it's great |
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| 16:25.33 | SpeedEvil | That's based on some conservative estimates based on GTA01 performance. |
| 16:25.39 | ajehals | actually Im impressed with the power management - wifi,audio and everything else comes back reliably with a stock angstrom kernel, that is a lot better than the last gentoo or familiar keernels i used... |
| 16:26.58 | Torikun | What is the best way to apply the snapshot to my Current Qtopia ? |
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| 16:34.13 | ajehals | Also - strange question - I just added 256M swap (from a file on an sd card) and although it is currently not being used I (seem) to have a significant performance increase... any idea why that would be? |
| 16:35.03 | malik1972 | mmontour: resume from shutdown comes from calendar entries in qtopia :-) |
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| 16:35.19 | SpeedEvil | ajehals: because rarely needed stuff can be shipped off to the SD. |
| 16:35.49 | SpeedEvil | ajehals: so that there is more room for the working set. |
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| 16:37.17 | ajehals | SpeedEvil: That was the idea - but use (according to /proc/swaps) is 0... although I may be missing it if it is being used and then flushed i suppose... |
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| 16:38.44 | retracile | ajehals: what does cat /proc/meminfo tell you? |
| 16:38.49 | ajehals | how much RAM does the freerunner ship with? |
| 16:39.34 | Bish | ajehals: infinite ! |
| 16:40.01 | ajehals | retracile: swaptotal and swapfree are pretty much the same... |
| 16:40.57 | dingman | ajehals, looks like 128MB on mine. |
| 16:40.57 | retracile | ajehals: "pretty much"? What is the actual difference? |
| 16:40.57 | Bish | will 2008.8 have a working suspend? |
| 16:41.26 | ajehals | retracile: 7k |
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| 16:43.55 | eier | anyone know where i can get "python-pygtk" for the freerunner? |
| 16:44.24 | retracile | ajehals: hm. See if you can quantify the performance improvement. If you can, then compare no swap vs lots of swap vs as-small-as-it-will-let-you-make swap and see what happens. |
| 16:44.27 | sevenhundred | I'm on wiki.openmoko.org from my freerunner! |
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| 16:44.48 | Bish | sevenhundred: holy shi.. how? :D |
| 16:44.49 | Torikun | sevenhundred: which distro |
| 16:45.07 | retracile | If adding 8k of swap gives a large improvement, it may indicate some low-hanging fruit for performance work. |
| 16:45.09 | sevenhundred | om2007.2 |
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| 16:45.31 | Bish | will 2008.8 have a working suspend? |
| 16:46.09 | sevenhundred | just installed minimo and surfed with my comp as a proxy |
| 16:46.46 | retracile | eier: Based on my notes, I built it using "bitbake python-pygtk" |
| 16:46.48 | railer | when is 2008.8 coming out offically? |
| 16:46.59 | Torikun | 2008.8 was not useable yesterday |
| 16:47.01 | pyknite | Bish: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Feature_Plan |
| 16:47.20 | Bish | minimo works great , yeah, nothing u |
| 16:47.31 | pyknite | railer: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2008.8 |
| 16:47.34 | Bish | Torikun: yeah because its realsed tomorrow -_ |
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| 16:48.07 | eier | retracile: and how do i do that?:) |
| 16:48.26 | retracile | eier: look for MokoMakefile on the wiki... |
| 16:48.44 | retracile | eier: you have to setup the development environment so you can run bitbake. |
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| 16:48.56 | eier | k ty |
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| 16:49.14 | Bish | yeah if thats true, 2008.8 will be great |
| 16:53.08 | pyknite | hum graphic on 2008.8 are very great |
| 16:53.30 | zedstar | a good post on openmoko direction on the ML i thought! |
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| 16:58.28 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03simon.kagstrom 07stable * rdc633f4be252 10/board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c: honor-stop_in_menu-on-charger-wakeup.patch |
| 17:01.59 | torpor | yo |
| 17:02.03 | lindi- | rwhitby: mokomakefile ASU build fails with /local/lindi/openmoko/mokomakefile/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libcairo.so: undefined reference to `pixman_format_supported_destination' |
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| 17:08.10 | eier | what's the best GUI wifi handler? |
| 17:08.21 | eier | for the freerunner |
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| 17:16.41 | railer | what is edje? |
| 17:18.40 | Bish | almien: holy shit ure on the internet ! |
| 17:19.40 | xeros | what's the distro on latest screenshots?: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
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| 17:20.48 | pyknite | it seems to be the basic distribution with a theme |
| 17:21.00 | railer | starting to look a little cartoonie |
| 17:21.03 | LetoTo | btw; the screenshots about 2008.8 referencing "girlfriend" are kinda sexist :P |
| 17:21.21 | railer | lol |
| 17:21.25 | LetoTo | or in the best case a bad joke |
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| 17:21.38 | Bish | xeros: its asu |
| 17:21.39 | Bish | with mod |
| 17:23.50 | railer | letoTo what comments? |
| 17:23.58 | almien | ? |
| 17:24.04 | LetoTo | "girlfriend lives here" |
| 17:24.08 | LetoTo | and "girlfriend dumped me" |
| 17:24.39 | zedstar | seem quite factual for most geeks :) |
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| 17:24.58 | Bish | whats so funny bout that xD |
| 17:25.58 | railer | ya I don't get the sexism |
| 17:27.55 | ajehals | retracile - this swap issue is interesting, I will look into it further but at first glance it seems there is a noticable performace increase when RAM+Swap>128Mb and if I use an SD card for swap (not the CF that the OS is sat on) even if swap is apparently not used. When swap is off or <64M I can't launch and use more than 1-2 apps, with swap on and 65M+ I am good to do whatever I want and everything becomes much more |
| 17:29.06 | abraxa_ | xeros: http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/ |
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| 17:37.07 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:37.38 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:39.25 | Tanuva | and having swap on sd might kill the flash memory quite fast |
| 17:39.43 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.10 | net_tux | as a first stab at hacking at my FR, I'm trying to make some changes to neod from http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod |
| 17:40.10 | net_tux | I'm using the build environment from the .deb packages for ubuntu from http://andreasdalsgaard.blogspot.com/2008/07/openmoko-development-in-5-minutes.html |
| 17:40.10 | net_tux | however, the binary produced by building it without any modifications doesn't seem to work right; it runs, but pressing the power button for a few seconds doesn't yield the power menu |
| 17:40.10 | net_tux | any ideas on this? am I getting the source from the right place? |
| 17:41.00 | ajehals | Pyrasi - the card seems to be mounted consistently in the same place (mmcblk0p1 for that particular partition) although you are right about issues with swap on flash |
| 17:41.21 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.45 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.54 | ajehals | The part I find interesting is that whilst the swap is there it is hardly used yet performace only seems to increase once I hit 64M Swap.. |
| 17:41.55 | net_tux | Pyrasi: ah, didn't know about that one, tried openmoko-devel, but it wanted a pwd - thanks |
| 17:42.14 | ajehals | Pyrasi Angstrom with their stable openmoko packages (Which are fairly out of date) |
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| 17:42.45 | Zorkman | that swap thing seems very interesting |
| 17:42.59 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.08 | Zorkman | maybe you could also post it to the mailinglist Pyrasi? |
| 17:43.31 | Zorkman | or ajehals, don't know how came up with it first :) |
| 17:43.36 | ajehals | The kernel I am using is 2.6.21-hh20-r6 |
| 17:43.37 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.54 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.18 | dingman | Anyone know where to get a copy of openmoko-agpsgui? It's not in the daily feeds where the wiki says to look. |
| 17:44.32 | ajehals | I should have mentioned that this is on a hx4700 so it may be tied into the HW somehow... |
| 17:44.32 | ajehals | but I cant quite see why. |
| 17:45.06 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:48.21 | jOERG_rw | @all: schematics copied from my folder people.openmoko.org/joerg to download-server, parallel folder to CAD folder. Feel free to edit Wiki |
| 17:48.24 | jOERG_rw | or post about it on [community] or [hw] |
| 17:48.28 | jOERG_rw | maybe a few references to the results of http://www.google.de/search?q=openmoko+schematics, somewhere in wki, might be appreciated too ;-) |
| 17:50.21 | jOERG_rw | please not tis is a release-CANDIDATE. Some changes might be seen next few days/weeks, depending on your feedback |
| 17:50.47 | ajehals | Pyrasi its an Ipaq, a fairly old one... |
| 17:50.47 | ajehals | But with decent Linux support and a fair spec (+ a really nice VGA screen). |
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| 17:51.47 | Pyrasi | cool |
| 17:52.13 | Tanuva | wtf... no python in the gtk image Oo |
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| 18:09.37 | spdr | where can i get a copy of the opkg sources .conf ? |
| 18:09.47 | spdr | seems the upgrade messed it up |
| 18:11.07 | Zorkman | if you're using 2007.2 i can dcc it to you |
| 18:12.46 | linuxxr | where is installer for 200808? |
| 18:13.19 | linuxxr | i have 200808 on it but the wiki says start the installer |
| 18:13.28 | spdr | Zorkman, please do, or just pastebin |
| 18:13.29 | linuxxr | where is it? |
| 18:13.31 | Pyrasi | if you mean the gui one, click the settings wrench ans scroll to the bottom |
| 18:13.36 | Pyrasi | and^ |
| 18:13.41 | spdr | linuxxr, in the menu/ |
| 18:13.42 | spdr | ? |
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| 18:14.05 | spdr | anyhows isnt 200808 due for tomorrow? :0 |
| 18:14.16 | Pyrasi | yup |
| 18:14.54 | linuxxr | i see lots of games that suck ,, i dont see installer |
| 18:15.04 | linuxxr | in the menu |
| 18:15.24 | Pyrasi | games?....are you sure you are using ASU? |
| 18:15.43 | linuxxr | 200808 |
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| 18:16.17 | Pyrasi | the actual 2008.8 comes out tonight.....it isnt out yet. |
| 18:17.02 | linuxxr | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2008.8 |
| 18:17.14 | spdr | linuxxr, its not out yet :s |
| 18:17.32 | linuxxr | oo |
| 18:18.03 | Chox | moo |
| 18:18.05 | spdr | "Download images (outlined) There are no ASU images available, openmoko-qtopia-x11 images are not ASU, but from the development branch. " |
| 18:18.18 | Chox | 10 points for a confusing message, that. |
| 18:18.31 | spdr | heh |
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| 18:18.49 | Chox | hum, Qt pr0t of Firefox 3. |
| 18:19.01 | Chox | dammit, where's Dave. I need my abuse. |
| 18:19.09 | spdr | anyways, i need some normal (perhaps unofficial) source please |
| 18:19.25 | spdr | anyone? |
| 18:19.35 | Pyrasi | source? |
| 18:19.36 | spdr | had one yesterday at some italian host, lost it :\ |
| 18:19.39 | linuxxr | i guess i have 20080807 |
| 18:19.43 | spdr | opkg source |
| 18:19.52 | Chox | Italian pasta sauce |
| 18:20.05 | Chox | yawns |
| 18:20.33 | linuxxr | the latest version of uboot is ? |
| 18:20.42 | Chox | sexy. |
| 18:20.43 | linuxxr | i have 1.3.2 |
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| 18:24.27 | xeros | linuxxr: the latest u-boot is from 85 minutes ago :-) |
| 18:24.51 | xeros | I don't know if it's packaged already |
| 18:25.09 | linuxxr | ok |
| 18:26.03 | linuxxr | put my 10 points with the rest of them |
| 18:28.33 | peter__b | anyone got emai working on asu? |
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| 18:30.26 | Guilt | when is ASU out? |
| 18:30.41 | peter__b | or now :-) |
| 18:30.52 | Guilt | i need to remove the Download images from that wiki pagee |
| 18:31.28 | Guilt | just saying 'ASU images out soon' should be okay |
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| 18:32.17 | linuxxr | i bought a car charger for a blackberry that doesnt seem to charge |
| 18:32.58 | Guilt | and look at this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 18:33.07 | Guilt | Download: Releases are labeled "openmoko-qtopia-x11" |
| 18:33.16 | Guilt | what the fuck does that mean anyway |
| 18:33.28 | Torikun | I hope 2008 will be useable |
| 18:33.29 | Torikun | lol |
| 18:33.34 | Guilt | usable |
| 18:33.43 | Guilt | not hackable. ;p |
| 18:34.17 | Guilt | it's not like i can't hack, it's just that i don't want to hack to only get my phone up. |
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| 18:34.41 | linuxxr | so much info |
| 18:34.50 | Guilt | so much misinfo |
| 18:34.52 | linuxxr | keeps changing |
| 18:35.02 | Guilt | keeps worsening |
| 18:35.06 | linuxxr | but its all good |
| 18:35.12 | Guilt | but its not good now |
| 18:35.21 | linuxxr | ahhh |
| 18:35.25 | Guilt | haaa |
| 18:35.26 | linuxxr | whiner |
| 18:35.31 | Guilt | hoper |
| 18:35.34 | mmontour | linuxxr: for u-boot versions, compare the git hash against http://git.openmoko.org/?p=u-boot.git;a=shortlog;h=stable |
| 18:35.47 | linuxxr | quit being part of the problem:) |
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| 18:36.02 | linuxxr | thanks |
| 18:36.17 | Guilt | quit trying to get to solve the problem |
| 18:36.20 | Guilt | ;) |
| 18:36.25 | linuxxr | mmontour |
| 18:36.32 | Guilt | if its not your problem, you don't pay for it. |
| 18:36.33 | Guilt | :-D |
| 18:37.16 | linuxxr | will the car chargers for a blackberry work on me freerunner? |
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| 18:37.30 | Guilt | linuxxr: see the voltage/amperage specs |
| 18:37.46 | linuxxr | ok |
| 18:37.57 | Torikun | my battery life sucks |
| 18:38.06 | Guilt | mine too |
| 18:38.12 | Guilt | it's like 3-4 hours |
| 18:38.21 | Guilt | i need to talk to my retailer for a replacement |
| 18:38.25 | Torikun | I enabled susben after 10 seconds |
| 18:38.27 | linuxxr | gotta have a car charger |
| 18:38.36 | Torikun | I use my eee pc to chage |
| 18:38.37 | Torikun | lol |
| 18:39.00 | linuxxr | thats all good till i leave |
| 18:39.06 | Guilt | the lappy -> USB charges takes like 5 times the amount of time the standalone does |
| 18:39.14 | Torikun | wow |
| 18:39.21 | PriceChild | Bish: definitely fail |
| 18:39.33 | Torikun | Hey qtopia people: WHat does the dev mod to charge fast actually do |
| 18:39.36 | Torikun | how does it work |
| 18:40.34 | Guilt | heh .. this is fun: http://xkcd.com/456/ |
| 18:40.38 | Guilt | :-) |
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| 18:42.36 | Guilt | linux is a conspiracy |
| 18:42.47 | Guilt | first you want it to work and then you need to get it to work |
| 18:42.50 | Guilt | :p |
| 18:43.01 | Guilt | i'm not recommending linux to anybody sane ;) |
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| 18:43.54 | trix | i don't recommend vista to anybody sane |
| 18:44.16 | Guilt | it's not vista or windows |
| 18:44.21 | Guilt | i don't recommend linux |
| 18:44.25 | Guilt | i may recommend BSD |
| 18:44.25 | nikolajsheller | Basically: keep away from computers.... |
| 18:44.33 | linuxxr | one of these days windows will be open source |
| 18:44.36 | Guilt | heh. and keep away from open mobile phones ;) |
| 18:44.59 | linuxxr | they already rely on everybody to fix their crap |
| 18:45.04 | Guilt | it's like the moment i'm away from my office or my home computer (where something in linux wont work( |
| 18:45.11 | Guilt | linuxxr: that's what they pay for |
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| 18:45.19 | Guilt | and then my mobile doesnt work |
| 18:45.23 | Guilt | and i feel ripped off |
| 18:45.32 | Guilt | the battery. it's the ONLY thing i feel bad about |
| 18:45.39 | linuxxr | they pay for everybody to fix their crap |
| 18:45.47 | Guilt | my older cheaper nokia 2610 was way better |
| 18:45.49 | Guilt | reliable |
| 18:45.55 | Guilt | linuxxr: that's what jobs are |
| 18:46.11 | Guilt | you get paid to make sure the customer is quietened |
| 18:46.12 | linuxxr | walmart has an att gophone for 9.98 |
| 18:46.33 | Torikun | Guilt: The qtopia image is really useable and good right now |
| 18:46.38 | Guilt | we dont have locked sims/mobiles here |
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| 18:46.44 | Guilt | Torikun: i'm using the 0806 image |
| 18:46.56 | Torikun | guilt that is crap |
| 18:46.56 | Guilt | yesterday's. are u telling me todays image is MORE usable? |
| 18:47.00 | Guilt | i tend to disagree |
| 18:47.05 | linuxxr | but u can put your sim in that gophone |
| 18:47.18 | Guilt | Torikun: in 1 day, all those issues have been fixed? |
| 18:47.27 | AntonTakk | Guilt: i found asu from 7/15 to be very usable |
| 18:47.27 | Torikun | last month |
| 18:47.45 | dingman | Right now I'm using the 0807 daily, and it's doing everything I expect my Treo to actually pull off, except that it doesn't randomly crash. |
| 18:47.57 | Guilt | AntonTakk: i have issues with windows getting layered wrong |
| 18:48.03 | Pyrasi | i agree with AntonTakk....my ASU build right now is very nice =) |
| 18:48.22 | Guilt | Pyrasi: what tree are u building from? |
| 18:48.38 | Guilt | anyway. the release is 1 day away. i hope it's stable |
| 18:48.42 | AntonTakk | dingman: keyboard/buttons at the bottom of the screen stopped disapearing when you try to use them? |
| 18:49.05 | Guilt | the icons on the top panel are very tiny |
| 18:49.12 | Pyrasi | i havent updated since last friday, but i was pulling from the ASU tree for the updates to ASU and the old gtk tree and scaredycat repos for my applications (terminal app, bluetooth etc) |
| 18:49.12 | Guilt | to even use with a stylus |
| 18:49.12 | dingman | In the -qtopia image, yes. What I'm running right now is the 2007.2-based daily |
| 18:49.26 | AntonTakk | oh |
| 18:49.33 | Guilt | are those things fixed? (illume icons) |
| 18:49.42 | AntonTakk | i thought you meant you were using 2008.8 from today :) |
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| 18:50.13 | AntonTakk | Guilt: last i checked, they are just icons, you don't interact with them, that's what exposure is for |
| 18:50.20 | Torikun | Guilt: The iamge from qtopia.net is the best useable image right now |
| 18:50.24 | dingman | Not at the moment. I've been pretty fickle about my images. |
| 18:50.36 | Guilt | AntonTakk: it's not like in om2007.2 is it? |
| 18:50.38 | Guilt | hmm |
| 18:50.46 | Zorkman | mmm y battery discharged like 2% in an hour (2007.2) |
| 18:50.49 | Pyrasi | Anton: thats how mine works as well....the icons appear when i have that thing enabled |
| 18:50.54 | Guilt | Torikun: i've got that. i didn't flash it because i wanted to use om2008.8 |
| 18:50.54 | AntonTakk | Guilt: no (not last i tried) |
| 18:51.01 | Guilt | and personally i like GTK a bit |
| 18:51.02 | Guilt | :-) |
| 18:51.10 | Torikun | Guilt: Me 2 but I have to make phone calls also =) |
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| 18:51.26 | dingman | AntonTakk, to be clear, the last image I flashed on was openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080807-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 18:51.27 | AntonTakk | Pyrasi: teay appear, yes, but you can't actually use the icon for anything other than knowing something is enabled or disabled |
| 18:51.38 | Pyrasi | yea |
| 18:51.41 | Guilt | Torikun: hehe. i was able to use om2007.2 a bit. the only issue was the suspend/battery time |
| 18:51.42 | Pyrasi | agreed |
| 18:52.05 | Guilt | it hasnt improved much though. let's see how this new release fixes that |
| 18:52.15 | Torikun | When I do a opkg upgrade on Qtopia, after I reboot when it is finished, qtopia GUI never starts |
| 18:52.20 | AntonTakk | 2007.2 was the most flaky image ime |
| 18:52.30 | Guilt | it was the most usable |
| 18:52.41 | AntonTakk | asu was most usable :) |
| 18:52.46 | Guilt | AntonTakk: the one i got on 31/7 |
| 18:52.51 | Torikun | Qtopia does everything but wifi.GPS |
| 18:52.53 | Guilt | AntonTakk: ASU isn't out yet |
| 18:53.12 | Guilt | qtopia.net / qtopia-x11 != ASU |
| 18:53.15 | lpotter | qtopia does wifi, just not reliably yet |
| 18:53.21 | AntonTakk | Guilt: it was out, asu - old name, 2008.8 isn't out yet |
| 18:53.36 | Torikun | lpotter: I hear that there will be a new release soon with wifi support? |
| 18:53.40 | Torikun | gui tool |
| 18:54.19 | AntonTakk | Guilt: anyonw who read understood that gqtopia-x11 was basically asu dev branch |
| 18:54.25 | lpotter | there is already a gui tool |
| 18:54.39 | Torikun | it would not scan |
| 18:55.03 | AntonTakk | i have to admit thou, qtopia seemed the best image for battery life as i remember it |
| 18:55.16 | Torikun | Qtopia is the most useable |
| 18:55.23 | Pyrasi | battery life on my asu build is pretty resonable i think |
| 18:55.38 | Pyrasi | w/o my sim card and suspend on it uses about 1% per hour |
| 18:55.43 | AntonTakk | Torikun: it seems to differ widely from person to person |
| 18:56.06 | Torikun | How is FSO milestone 2 |
| 18:56.16 | Pyrasi | w/ sim card and suspend on i think it was closer to 2-3% per hour i think |
| 18:56.23 | AntonTakk | Pyrasi: youre testing the battery life of a phone with the telephony functions effectively disabled.... |
| 18:56.45 | Pyrasi | yea...because I use it for other things too....not just as a phone |
| 18:56.48 | almien | GPSD protocol as installed on OM - is there a document somewhere? I have a gpsd manpage from somewhere, but OM has different responses to certain commands |
| 18:56.56 | Torikun | lpotter: Why does opkg upgrade cause Qtopia to not start GUI after reboot? Is it a known issue? |
| 18:56.59 | AntonTakk | Torikun: the parts that are implemented work reasonably well, some gui glitches, not enough ststus display, imho |
| 18:57.12 | Torikun | ah |
| 18:57.21 | Pyrasi | I use it as a gps device more than a phone atm anyway |
| 18:57.32 | AntonTakk | Torikun: like if you dial a call from your contacts, the gui doesn't reflect that :) |
| 18:57.40 | Torikun | lol |
| 18:57.50 | Torikun | AntonTakk: What do you think is the best disto on it now? |
| 18:58.45 | AntonTakk | Torikun: best i have use imho is asu (qtopia-x11 for the pedantic) from 7/15 or possibly 7/22-23 |
| 18:59.19 | Torikun | AntonTakk: Everything works? |
| 18:59.29 | AntonTakk | no :) |
| 18:59.44 | Torikun | What does not work there |
| 18:59.48 | Torikun | I may give it a go |
| 18:59.57 | peter__b | no suspend on the old images |
| 19:00.04 | Torikun | that is it? |
| 19:00.04 | AntonTakk | wifi, bt, suspend |
| 19:00.14 | Torikun | lol wifi is important |
| 19:00.27 | AntonTakk | well, it doesn't work from a gui |
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| 19:00.36 | AntonTakk | i bever tried wifi from ssh or terminal |
| 19:00.54 | AntonTakk | never* |
| 19:01.13 | peter__b | working fine |
| 19:01.15 | Pyrasi | wifi bt and suspend all work on mine |
| 19:01.20 | AntonTakk | also, does not support pdu mode sms |
| 19:01.22 | peter__b | even with those old images |
| 19:01.23 | Torikun | How do you actually use the Software GUI tool in Qtopia? There are no software sources |
| 19:01.46 | Pyrasi | campwifi works on mine for open networks, lint-wifi for others. Scaredy-cat |
| 19:01.49 | AntonTakk | but none seem to, so, no suprise |
| 19:02.00 | Pyrasi | 's bluetooth script works as a gui to connect via bluetooth |
| 19:02.09 | Pyrasi | and suspend has worked great for me |
| 19:02.17 | AntonTakk | is fairly anxious to try 2008.8 |
| 19:02.30 | AntonTakk | looks like it has received much polish since 7/15 |
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| 19:04.30 | linuxxr | pyrasi which roofs u have? |
| 19:04.37 | Pyrasi | 7/15 is the one i used....and i essentially followed these instructions for getting ASU working (a few different tweaks and i installed lots of different software...but that will get suspend etc working for you) http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/024129.html |
| 19:05.28 | Pyrasi | this is the gui bluetooth script i use from the scaredycat stuff: http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/app_btkb/btkb?rev=14&root=scutil&view=auto |
| 19:05.57 | Pyrasi | With all that....ASU works good and has for a while =o |
| 19:06.13 | AntonTakk | nice |
| 19:07.06 | linuxxr | very nice how-to |
| 19:07.27 | linuxxr | an simple without the BS |
| 19:07.28 | Pyrasi | wasnt written by me....haha....i was actually in the process of writing one when he posted that |
| 19:07.41 | Pyrasi | beat me to it |
| 19:08.22 | Pyrasi | note that i would make a backup of your original opkg directory before changing it like he suggests |
| 19:08.51 | Pyrasi | the orginal one is needed when you want to dl stuff like gpsd, vte, etc... |
| 19:09.47 | almien | normal for gpsd to use like 60% cpu? |
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| 19:12.35 | Pyrasi | i wish there was an easy way to make a backup of my current rootfs....id just post the image for people to dl |
| 19:13.09 | Pyrasi | dfu-util doesnt seem to work on making a backup of rootfs....just of kernel |
| 19:13.46 | Torikun | Linux is a OS, that is all you need Pyrasi (Just kidding) |
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| 19:16.52 | wyze | Pyrasi - so tar it |
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| 19:18.54 | Pyrasi | well...its alittle late to be bothering with it now.....2008.8 comes out in like 6 hours.... |
| 19:19.22 | Torikun | Is there a last min version of 2008 that Ican get now |
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| 19:25.53 | AntonTakk | Pyrasi: dd + sd card should work |
| 19:27.13 | AntonTakk | or, put the fr in usb host mode and attach a cd burner ;) |
| 19:28.13 | Pyrasi | lol |
| 19:28.41 | AntonTakk | that's a project i might be able to do, a small python gui for burning/ripping and creating isos :) |
| 19:29.50 | cbrake | what is fso image root password? |
| 19:30.03 | cjb | there isn't one |
| 19:30.09 | AntonTakk | <blank> |
| 19:30.19 | cbrake | doh, trying to ssh into the host machine |
| 19:30.23 | cbrake | ok, thanks |
| 19:30.24 | AntonTakk | hah |
| 19:31.01 | AntonTakk | actually |
| 19:31.02 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 19:35.53 | Torikun | Any test images for 2008? |
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| 19:37.56 | AntonTakk | gonna have to install the dev stuff and see if I can build wodim packages and etc |
| 19:38.14 | cbrake | are there any feeds where I can get openmoko-mediaplayer2 into a gta02? |
| 19:38.53 | AntonTakk | cbrake: the ones for 2007.2 and qtopia-x11 had it |
| 19:39.06 | |Marco| | is there any form of text reader/viewer ported over yet ? |
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| 19:39.22 | |Marco| | ping mw| |
| 19:39.40 | AntonTakk | |Marco|: i know qtopia-x11 has a "notes" program or some such |
| 19:39.51 | |Marco| | hm.. |
| 19:40.03 | AntonTakk | have to install it via opkg thou |
| 19:40.09 | Wonka | could anyone tell me how to configure iptables on the FR? |
| 19:40.16 | |Marco| | I belive I saw that, yes... thought it only was for small notes.. I'm thinking about a larger text |
| 19:40.22 | |Marco| | a la The Heretic |
| 19:40.23 | Wonka | the kernel modules are there, but i cannot find an iptables binary atm |
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| 19:40.36 | Marcel_M | Pyrasi: you can use netcat: on the host netcat -l -p 20000 > mtdblockx and on the neo/fr cat /dev/mtdblockx | nc 192.168.0.200 20000 |
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| 19:40.55 | |Marco| | Wonka: You might have to compile it yourself |
| 19:41.00 | AntonTakk | Wonka: may have to build one |
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| 19:43.22 | mmaestri | hi all |
| 19:43.29 | spdr | after trying everything, anyone know a gui for the 2007.02 Wifi that works ?? |
| 19:44.22 | mmaestri | i've been busy this last few days, haven't touched my phone since then. did I missed something? |
| 19:44.43 | mjr | yeah we're now the top phone in the world |
| 19:44.43 | AntonTakk | nope, 2008.8 being released soon |
| 19:44.50 | AntonTakk | hehe |
| 19:44.55 | mmaestri | i've heard that 2008.8 is coming |
| 19:45.23 | AntonTakk | mjr: yeah, iphone 3.0 is going to be a re-branded fr ;) |
| 19:45.34 | mmaestri | does it integrate FSO framework already? |
| 19:45.52 | AntonTakk | mmaestri: don't believe so, but i could be horibly mis-informed |
| 19:47.44 | Torikun | An Error orccured, return value:2. <--What does that mean when opkg install python-pygtk |
| 19:48.05 | AntonTakk | afaict, that means it can't find a package with that name |
| 19:48.18 | Torikun | ah |
| 19:48.33 | UndrWater | Torikun: you can get better verbosity with opkg -V 2 install <package> |
| 19:49.03 | Torikun | ty |
| 19:49.11 | AntonTakk | Torikun: or it may simply mean "Newp" :) |
| 19:49.50 | UndrWater | fwiw, i haven't been able to find python-pygtk |
| 19:49.57 | Torikun | lol |
| 19:50.01 | Torikun | joing the club |
| 19:50.17 | UndrWater | hmm...did you check with angstrom? |
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| 19:51.18 | Marcel_M | http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/python-pygtk_2.10.4-ml8_armv4t.ipk |
| 19:51.25 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
| 19:51.54 | UndrWater | Marcel_M: is that outside of the repo? |
| 19:52.32 | Marcel_M | maybe its possible |
| 19:52.37 | UndrWater | no...looks like it's a part of it |
| 19:53.08 | Marcel_M | yeah its not in the feed |
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| 19:53.49 | UndrWater | strange...wasn't able to install the other day |
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| 19:54.23 | Marcel_M | its not in the packages file |
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| 19:55.58 | ConfidentiaL | which version of the openmoko-qtopia-x11 images is the most stable/functional? |
| 19:56.51 | balrog-k1n | stable or functional? :) |
| 19:56.54 | balrog-k1n | you have to decide |
| 19:57.31 | railer | so 2008.8 gsm gps a go? |
| 19:58.10 | mmaestri | balrog-k1n: i want functional :p |
| 19:58.40 | balrog-k1n | well FSO is rumoured to be stable |
| 19:58.52 | ConfidentiaL | well, do any of them have functional wifi? :P |
| 19:59.08 | Pyrasi | all of them i believe |
| 19:59.35 | Pyrasi | well...not qtopia i dont think |
| 19:59.59 | Pyrasi | but ASU/2008.8 and 2007.2 do......actually im not sure about FSO either.... |
| 20:00.18 | balrog-k1n | all of them except qtopia, asu or om2007.2 ;) |
| 20:00.20 | El_Senator | does 2007.2 have functional wifi? |
| 20:00.22 | ConfidentiaL | how do I get the ASU then...? |
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| 20:00.46 | Pyrasi | 2007.2 does yes |
| 20:00.53 | balrog-k1n | nah, actually wifi needs just the kernel side, so it should work with any distro |
| 20:00.54 | Pyrasi | I was connected to a network the other day |
| 20:01.02 | jpcass | hi - ive been out of touch with moko developments for over 6 months... |
| 20:01.05 | ConfidentiaL | yeh, I got functional wifi on 2007.2, but the contacts from the sim card was not being imported right |
| 20:01.07 | El_Senator | Pyrasi: hmm... but unusable, right? i mean, unstable connection |
| 20:01.23 | Pyrasi | no....it was working fine for me |
| 20:01.24 | El_Senator | i haven't been able to use wifi succesfully yet. I get an IP, but the connection is extremely unstable |
| 20:01.28 | jpcass | can anyone tell me what the best firmware is at the moment? there seems to be a profusion now! |
| 20:01.34 | El_Senator | and i've tried different AP's and freerunners |
| 20:01.43 | jpcass | (and did power management ever get solved on GTA01?) |
| 20:01.56 | ConfidentiaL | I got a pretty good wireless connection with 2007.2, and used it to upgrade and install apps... |
| 20:02.04 | Pyrasi | on ASU i was connected to a network the other day and surfing the web via minimo and downloading maps for tangogps for like 40 mins with no problems |
| 20:02.25 | El_Senator | Pyrasi: do you use the wpa_supplicant? |
| 20:02.29 | ConfidentiaL | but how do u get ASU? |
| 20:02.40 | zedstar | hi jpcass! |
| 20:02.54 | Pyrasi | no...i was actually connected to an open network then....but my friend uses mofi to connect to a wpa network with no problems |
| 20:02.58 | jpcass | hi zedstar! |
| 20:03.06 | linuxxr | pyrassi which kernel? |
| 20:03.14 | linuxxr | latest? |
| 20:03.34 | El_Senator | Pyrasi: i'll have to look into it. I've struggled with wifi for weeks, and never got around to getting a stable connection on 2 different setups |
| 20:03.36 | Pyrasi | my friend's with mofi ? I'm not sure. Mine was the latest last friday.....i havent updated since then |
| 20:03.47 | zedstar | jpcass we met at a barcamp sometime back! btw someone was gonna organise a london usergroup meetup |
| 20:04.04 | El_Senator | i just followed the wifi manual guide |
| 20:04.19 | El_Senator | using /etc/network/interfaces and wpa_supplicant |
| 20:04.31 | El_Senator | also tried the network/interfaces only solution |
| 20:04.32 | El_Senator | no good |
| 20:04.35 | jpcass | hi zedstar - i remember now! london meeting soon? |
| 20:04.49 | El_Senator | i get an IP after 10-20 tries, but it's unusable |
| 20:05.11 | zedstar | jpcass supposedly.....someone recently posted and said would set a date |
| 20:05.38 | UndrWater | El_Senator: dhcp? |
| 20:05.44 | El_Senator | UndrWater: yeah |
| 20:05.49 | Pyrasi | When i was on 2007.2 i connected to a wep network fine from the command line with iwconfig et all.....in ASU ive only connected to open networks...but they connected fine via campwifi |
| 20:06.14 | UndrWater | El_Senator: have you tried: iwconfig essid <essid>; ifup eth0 |
| 20:06.27 | El_Senator | UndrWater: i think i have |
| 20:06.50 | El_Senator | UndrWater: i've tried many different solutions, all with same result |
| 20:06.50 | UndrWater | El_Senator: heheh...and you've put a nameserver into /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 20:06.55 | El_Senator | UndrWater: yes |
| 20:06.56 | Pyrasi | iwconfig ESSID <id> key <key> |
| 20:07.00 | El_Senator | it found the correct nameserver by itself |
| 20:07.33 | jpcass | zedstar: hows your project coming on? i remember you were developing a mobile social app in a strange language! |
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| 20:08.00 | El_Senator | i think i'll just give it another go right now |
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| 20:08.13 | linuxxr | go man |
| 20:08.28 | UndrWater | ifconfig shows everything OK? |
| 20:08.33 | El_Senator | UndrWater: yes |
| 20:08.38 | linuxxr | whats with the red light |
| 20:08.42 | El_Senator | that's what boggles me a bit |
| 20:08.56 | UndrWater | linuxxr: should be "charging" |
| 20:09.00 | UndrWater | IIRC |
| 20:09.00 | zedstar | jpcass slowly but still going...recently started coding again...was a bit disillusioned for a while |
| 20:09.08 | El_Senator | everything seems fine, but the ping from my PC to the FR only goes through 1 of 50 times or so |
| 20:09.11 | |Marco| | linuxxr: it's abug that I belive'l be fixed with a overnight patch |
| 20:09.22 | linuxxr | ok |
| 20:09.33 | El_Senator | i thought i had a faulty FR, but then i tried another one, and it was the same |
| 20:09.37 | El_Senator | also with two different AP's |
| 20:09.42 | UndrWater | El_Senator: which image are you using? and has this persisted through several? |
| 20:09.45 | El_Senator | so i'm kinda confused about it |
| 20:09.47 | El_Senator | 2007.2 |
| 20:09.55 | El_Senator | it has persisted for several weeks |
| 20:10.07 | El_Senator | and i've updated and flashed a couple times throughout |
| 20:10.22 | El_Senator | but i can't help thinking that i am the problem :D |
| 20:10.33 | El_Senator | because everyone else seems to have it working just fine |
| 20:11.09 | UndrWater | El_Senator: wait, you said "i tried another one"...another FR? |
| 20:11.21 | El_Senator | yes, i have two different FR's |
| 20:11.25 | El_Senator | GTA02 both |
| 20:11.32 | UndrWater | both with the same problem? |
| 20:11.34 | El_Senator | yes |
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| 20:11.40 | El_Senator | exactly the same |
| 20:11.47 | UndrWater | you have 2 AP's? |
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| 20:11.57 | El_Senator | No, a friend of mine lives just next door |
| 20:11.59 | El_Senator | we have one each |
| 20:12.10 | El_Senator | ah |
| 20:12.14 | jpcass | zedstar: keep it up dude - maybe see you at the london meet... |
| 20:12.14 | El_Senator | damn, sorry |
| 20:12.26 | El_Senator | UndrWater: no, i only have one AP |
| 20:12.31 | El_Senator | but my friend has one too |
| 20:12.36 | UndrWater | i got that ;) |
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| 20:13.26 | zedstar | jpcass thanx....yeh hope so! |
| 20:13.28 | UndrWater | El_Senator: sounds like it should be working...my only thought is that there is some kind of interference near you...have you tried at a public AP? |
| 20:13.37 | jpcass | no one got advice on best firmware for GTA01, and whether power management has improved in the last 6 months? |
| 20:13.48 | El_Senator | UndrWater: no, i haven't tried a public AP yet. I might do that tomorrow |
| 20:14.05 | UndrWater | i'd try that...then start hammering the mailing lists |
| 20:14.31 | zedstar | jpcass mine is still on 2007.2 and permanently plugged in so couldnt tell ya but 2008.8 apparently out tomorrow so might be worth a try |
| 20:14.36 | UndrWater | put together an extremely detailed post with everything you've tried and the results |
| 20:14.42 | El_Senator | UndrWater: yeah, it just seems so odd... to different AP's, two different FR's and AP's about 200 meters apart |
| 20:15.00 | El_Senator | both WEP |
| 20:15.16 | UndrWater | El_Senator: another thing to try is remove the encryption for a session |
| 20:15.16 | El_Senator | but, i won't take up more of your time. I'll go fiddle with it right away |
| 20:15.18 | El_Senator | thanks |
| 20:15.28 | El_Senator | UndrWater: actually, i tried that too |
| 20:15.30 | El_Senator | no good |
| 20:15.35 | UndrWater | OK then ;) |
| 20:15.46 | jpcass | it was the 'permanently plugged in' thing that turned me off 6 months ago! but id heard philips had released data on power management chipset, hoped for improvement... |
| 20:17.32 | zedstar | jpcass ping speedevil as he probably knows the power situation on gta01 |
| 20:17.50 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. |
| 20:17.55 | SpeedEvil | It's not really changed. |
| 20:17.57 | zedstar | there u go :) |
| 20:18.05 | jpcass | wow the system works! |
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| 20:18.36 | SpeedEvil | hopefully it's going to improve soon now that ces arb has said he's got more time. |
| 20:19.01 | jpcass | ok, great. gta01 uses same power management chips as freerunner so we will benefit from this development? |
| 20:19.02 | UndrWater | jpcass: have you seen http://moko.mwester.net/fixes.html |
| 20:19.25 | jpcass | undrwater: no, but i will look now... |
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| 20:23.23 | |Marco| | has anyone managed to compile qte-mt-static successfully with bitbake? |
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| 20:25.18 | Kero | recent embryo-native_cvs bitbake/mokomakefile/fso-image, same Q... |
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| 20:26.33 | mmaestri | actual qtopia-x11 looks like this? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2b1d7338ee8a16269db2fe8541740836.png |
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| 20:30.53 | |Marco| | aha, with the kernel image/modules that opkg update/upgrade offers right now, the red aux led while charging works like it should (at the least for me) |
| 20:31.25 | linuxxr | ok |
| 20:32.41 | Tanuva | is waiting anxiously for 2008.8 hoping it contains gtk+ and python-pygtk >.< |
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| 20:34.38 | Pyrasi | 10mmaestr01: no....that is a skinned version of the 2008.8 |
| 20:34.52 | Pyrasi | someone released a skin for it a while back |
| 20:38.21 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * re6aac0aa847e 10/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [linux-openmoko] Turn off EVBUG |
| 20:38.58 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6439872e3d44 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (illume-theme/illume-none.edj illume-theme_svn.bb): [illume-theme] For Design issue. |
| 20:38.58 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r37b9ab387767 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [illume-config] For Design issue. |
| 20:39.58 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ref8a3e5430e2 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [opkg-utils] Bump up the reversion of opkg-utils to 4592 |
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| 20:42.38 | linuxxr | here it comes |
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| 20:44.23 | mike--2 | root@mikemoko:~# opkg install openmoko-messages2 |
| 20:44.23 | mike--2 | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 20:44.28 | mike--2 | suggestions? |
| 20:46.18 | abraxa_ | mike--2: Grab the ipk and install that - I found no other way around that error myself |
| 20:46.37 | mike--2 | abraxa_: thanks! |
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| 20:48.56 | mike--2 | damn, i got messages2 to reinstall, but it still seg faults |
| 20:55.19 | linuxxr | yay the power management worked |
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| 20:57.13 | linuxxr | maybe that stupid red light could be set to toggle the screen brightness to about 3 levels |
| 20:57.24 | linuxxr | at 1 click |
| 20:58.04 | linuxxr | well i didnt lock |
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| 21:04.41 | Torikun | is 2008 out yet? |
| 21:06.32 | mmaestri | after flashing with the last qtopia-x11, I get ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host |
| 21:07.01 | mmaestri | haven't changed a thing on my host |
| 21:07.31 | mmaestri | and it worked with any other image before |
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| 21:09.21 | mmaestri | any thoughts? |
| 21:09.37 | UndrWater | mmaestri: a lot of complaints about that on the mailing list |
| 21:09.45 | mmaestri | ok |
| 21:10.07 | UndrWater | i think the response was to go back to an older kernel where it worked |
| 21:10.21 | UndrWater | or wait for the update ;) |
| 21:10.38 | mmaestri | and how long will it take...for the update...? |
| 21:10.39 | UndrWater | apparently the modules are not pulled in automatically... |
| 21:10.43 | UndrWater | dunno |
| 21:11.55 | Zorkman | anyone know at what time 2008.8 will be released? |
| 21:11.59 | UndrWater | http://warmcat.com/uImage-moredrivers-stable_507c3c1ba3921bb7.bin |
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| 21:12.09 | UndrWater | mmaestri: you can try that kernel |
| 21:12.13 | Torikun | Zorkman: IT was supposed to be today |
| 21:12.31 | mmaestri | UndrWater: ok, thx |
| 21:12.36 | Zorkman | yeah, at what time, the hour i mean |
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| 21:13.01 | Torikun | anybody know? |
| 21:14.00 | Torikun | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/ <--not yet uploaded |
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| 21:14.38 | malik1972 | UndrWater: nice icons and cartoons on that page |
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| 21:15.07 | mmaestri | does anybody knows if that release will get that shiny new skin i've seen on scap.linuxtogo.org? |
| 21:15.24 | Torikun | I hope it looks like the advertisment on the openmoko page |
| 21:15.25 | Torikun | atleast |
| 21:15.26 | Torikun | lol |
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| 21:15.41 | malik1972 | mmaestri: i guess not, but u can install it afterwards |
| 21:16.46 | abraxa_ | mmaestri: You can always grab it at http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/ and install it if you feel like it |
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| 21:17.10 | Torikun | what firmware is that |
| 21:17.12 | Torikun | that looks cool |
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| 21:18.37 | Torikun | anyone in San Fran? |
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| 21:18.44 | brian|lfs | hello |
| 21:18.49 | Torikun | hi brian|lfs |
| 21:19.02 | brian|lfs | will the battery charge on my openmoko if its to dead for my openmoko to turn on even |
| 21:19.20 | brian|lfs | I was going to plug my openmoko ino and mess with it but even pugged into my computer it won't turn on |
| 21:19.22 | Torikun | That is a good question, I await the answer............... |
| 21:19.36 | Torikun | Haveyou tried to plug it in to the wall? |
| 21:19.42 | brian|lfs | so I unpugged it and plugged it straight into the wall |
| 21:19.55 | Pyrasi | plug it in and wait for about 4 hours and try again |
| 21:20.00 | brian|lfs | and its been a few minutes and its not turning on |
| 21:20.08 | brian|lfs | oh ok |
| 21:20.23 | Torikun | any news on 2008? |
| 21:20.26 | mmontour | brian|lfs: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#PMU.2FCharger_Issue (you may need to "jump-start" the phone with a Nokia battery) |
| 21:20.51 | brian|lfs | I'm kind of wondering if I have a bad battery |
| 21:21.21 | Torikun | If the battery's terminal voltage is low but greater than zero then the Neo1973 recovery method may work: Disconnect USB, remove the battery, wait 10 seconds, re-insert the battery, re-connect USB, let it charge for 1 hour (or more) without pressing any buttons. |
| 21:22.18 | jpcass | that worked for me, battery had been sitting in device for > 6 months; pretty dead. |
| 21:22.24 | Pyrasi | i drained mine the other day and had to leave it plugged in for awhile to let it charge at 100 ma before i could turn it on to charge at 500.....id recommend just trying that first. (Just in case i ever run the battery all the way out, i bought an extrenal li-ion charger though ;) ) |
| 21:22.34 | brian|lfs | ya I see that |
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| 21:23.39 | brian|lfs | where can I get an external charger at? |
| 21:23.57 | brian|lfs | one fo rmy camera might work actually lol |
| 21:25.07 | Pyrasi | i just bought a universal external charger off ebay (shipped for cheap from hongkong =P)...havent tried it on my freerunner battery yet, but i tried it on a an old motorola battery and it seemed to work.... |
| 21:26.03 | Torikun | .kde4 for the freeRunner? |
| 21:26.10 | Torikun | that be cool |
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| 21:30.59 | |Marco| | OUCH!! |
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| 21:39.10 | UndrWater | mmaestri: did that kernel work for you? |
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| 21:40.06 | Dave | :) |
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| 21:42.07 | brian|lfs | I think I found the charger you where talking about |
| 21:42.17 | brian|lfs | its 4.97 cents |
| 21:42.36 | brian|lfs | a lot cheaper then the over priced openmoko |
| 21:43.20 | Torikun | 20080808 is doing the firefox 3 release style lmfao |
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| 21:45.24 | UndrWater | how's that? |
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| 21:47.27 | mmaestri | UndrWater: yes it did, thx |
| 21:48.15 | mmaestri | i was trying that skin i mentioned before. it's nice, although i feel qtopia-x11 a bit slow |
| 21:49.55 | Torikun | mmaestri: let's hope 2008 is good |
| 21:53.32 | mmaestri | Torikun: hope is the last thing we have...isn't? |
| 21:55.17 | Torikun | yup |
| 21:55.22 | Torikun | hope followed by disappointment |
| 21:55.23 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:55.34 | Torikun | When will 200808 be released? |
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| 21:56.15 | UndrWater | Torikun: oy...it'll be announced ;) |
| 21:56.20 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:56.22 | Torikun | Im excited |
| 21:56.23 | Torikun | lol |
| 21:56.24 | railer | soon but I don't know the exact time |
| 21:56.41 | railer | why don't we have a countdown timer? |
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| 21:57.35 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.23 | railer | Could someone please put up a countdown timer as to when the countdown timer will be built? |
| 22:00.04 | Torikun | I want to reflash it before I leave work |
| 22:01.12 | UndrWater | railer: :P |
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| 22:03.29 | linuxxr | zhone is too cool |
| 22:04.19 | linuxxr | i think i stay with zhone atleast 2 days |
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| 22:04.36 | ronny | zhone? |
| 22:06.15 | mmaestri | linuxxr: i like it too. but i couldn't build a fso-image yet, and it takes so long until a new image is released |
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| 22:07.27 | UndrWater | will 2008 come with zhone? |
| 22:07.30 | mmaestri | by the way, repos for 2008.8 seem to be up http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/ |
| 22:07.58 | Torikun | do I have to install the older fversion? I am using qtopia now |
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| 22:10.52 | confidential1 | when do you think 2008.8 will be released? |
| 22:11.20 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rf68f1bb98bd4 10/etc/dbus-1/system.d/frameworkd.conf: frameworkd.conf: Follow oeventd -> oeventsd change in dbus config |
| 22:11.20 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r97c72c62f5e5 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: ogsmd: Add constants describing PDU fields |
| 22:11.21 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r6800373888dc 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): ogsmd: Redo the phonenumber function |
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| 22:17.41 | UndrWater | anyone know of a libsdl that will install? |
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| 22:19.31 | johngay | Evenin' everybody! |
| 22:20.26 | holycow | heh |
| 22:20.28 | holycow | i haven't checked the moko mailing list for 30 days |
| 22:20.30 | holycow | 2500 messages |
| 22:20.32 | holycow | holycanoly |
| 22:20.34 | holycow | btw, hello |
| 22:21.31 | johngay | Anyone know when there will be more freerunners available from Openmoko? |
| 22:24.52 | linuxxr | some how i have the brightness on qtopia set wrong wheres the adjustment? |
| 22:25.10 | donomo | i love how openmoko.com says yes buy one! and 3 pages later is says they're out of stock (sarcasm) |
| 22:25.55 | linuxxr | how do u set the bright - dim setting on qtopia? |
| 22:26.36 | lpotter_ | settings->light and power |
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| 22:28.41 | confidential1 | is it true what it says in the wiki that qtopia has no web browsers available...? |
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| 22:29.26 | Torikun | Yes confidential |
| 22:29.29 | Torikun | I am running qtopia now |
| 22:29.32 | xt | where's my 2008.8 |
| 22:29.38 | Torikun | and will remove it hen 2008.8 is released soon |
| 22:29.49 | lpotter_ | qtopia will have a web browser in 4.4 release, |
| 22:29.55 | lpotter_ | which is happening in a few weeks |
| 22:30.04 | Torikun | xt: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/ <---reop, try upgrading opkg update |
| 22:30.05 | Torikun | lol |
| 22:30.40 | xt | Torikun: last updated 06 aug |
| 22:30.51 | Torikun | That is the confusing part |
| 22:31.27 | linuxxr | watacurve |
| 22:32.00 | confidential1 | will 2008.8 be much more functional and stable than the openmoko-qtopia-x11 images? |
| 22:32.12 | Torikun | I hope for the love of God that it is |
| 22:32.20 | Torikun | 20080807 was so bad... |
| 22:32.26 | Torikun | not even useable |
| 22:32.36 | Torikun | the screenshots for 200808 looks awesome |
| 22:33.59 | johngay | When the first batch arrived, I was too strapped for cash. Now my finacial advisor (wife) says I can order one, they're sold out )= |
| 22:34.12 | Torikun | johngay: from kulu? |
| 22:34.15 | Torikun | I ordered mine last week |
| 22:34.20 | cjb | Torikun: where are the screenshots? |
| 22:34.21 | Torikun | and arrived a few days ago |
| 22:34.46 | Torikun | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2008.8 |
| 22:34.49 | Torikun | cjb: there |
| 22:34.53 | johngay | Really? I thought ALL the american ones were sold out. |
| 22:35.01 | confidential1 | well, I guess I'll try Qtopia in the meantime then. Tried using 2007.2, but that had too buggy contact management, and too bad SMS management. The 200807 openmoko-qtopia-x11 image was also pretty buggy and very little usable, just that the phone part was good, and the contacts were loaded correctly... |
| 22:35.21 | Torikun | confidential wait for the 200808 which is part qtopia , release is a few hours or less |
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| 22:35.49 | Torikun | http://www.koolu.com/ <--I got my free runner from there |
| 22:35.52 | Torikun | they have phones available |
| 22:36.00 | zash | 080808! |
| 22:36.05 | Torikun | where |
| 22:36.10 | Torikun | zash: where |
| 22:37.40 | zash | Torikun: date +%y%m%d |
| 22:38.20 | zash | :D |
| 22:38.24 | Torikun | lol |
| 22:38.26 | Torikun | not released yet |
| 22:38.45 | Torikun | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2008.8 |
| 22:38.52 | Torikun | Mine arrived a few days ago, kick ass device |
| 22:39.05 | Torikun | oops |
| 22:39.07 | Torikun | wrong window |
| 22:39.22 | zash | it would be cool to release 2008.08 today, anyways |
| 22:40.04 | Torikun | they might have to change it to 20090101 |
| 22:40.05 | Torikun | lol |
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| 22:40.29 | zash | but, "released 08/08/08"! |
| 22:40.49 | UndrWater | clever |
| 22:40.55 | confidential1 | very... |
| 22:43.22 | Torikun | Not Found The requested URL /daily/freerunner/200808/200808/ was not found on this server. |
| 22:44.25 | donomo | sep 10 will also be cool |
| 22:44.31 | donomo | 08-09-10 |
| 22:45.12 | Torikun | lol |
| 22:45.15 | mmaestri | Torikun: that url is wrong |
| 22:45.22 | SirBob1701 | is anyone releaseing the dev builds of ASU? |
| 22:45.29 | Torikun | what is the correct url |
| 22:46.07 | mmaestri | if it were released today, i guess http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080807/ |
| 22:46.25 | mmaestri | or http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080808/ |
| 22:47.01 | mmaestri | but your url lacks the 07 or 08 at the end |
| 22:47.12 | Torikun | yup |
| 22:47.15 | SirBob1701 | did you see that list post about the qtopia builds? |
| 22:47.17 | Torikun | you click the folder |
| 22:47.22 | Torikun | no explaoin |
| 22:47.52 | cjb | oh, weird |
| 22:48.00 | cjb | I thought ASU was dying in favor of FSO |
| 22:49.12 | mmaestri | cjb: well...it seems that asu will be the next milestone, and the fso framework will be integrated to it |
| 22:49.14 | donomo | i thought 2007.2 and its kind were dead. |
| 22:49.38 | SirBob1701 | are FSO builds on buildhost too? |
| 22:49.43 | donomo | id be surprized if FSO merges with anything. its pretty unique using python and evolution libraries |
| 22:49.46 | cjb | donomo: so, 2008.8 is not the same kind as 2007.2 |
| 22:49.52 | cjb | it's all pretty ridiculous |
| 22:49.54 | donomo | cjb: reeeally |
| 22:49.55 | UndrWater | mmaestri: i'd like to get zhone workikng with 2008... |
| 22:50.00 | Torikun | cjb: 2008 is based off qtopia |
| 22:50.07 | donomo | zomg. the confusion. |
| 22:50.09 | Torikun | or has a lot of qtopia in it |
| 22:50.13 | Torikun | 2007 was GTK |
| 22:50.18 | mmaestri | fso is just a placeholder for the framework |
| 22:50.37 | donomo | 2008.8 sounds like the new ASU |
| 22:50.43 | mmaestri | as zhone is a placeholder for its capabilities |
| 22:50.48 | UndrWater | yep...but i installed zhone on ASU, didn't look the same at all :P |
| 22:50.49 | donomo | maybe ASU should be called 2008.4 |
| 22:50.53 | UndrWater | ahhh |
| 22:51.01 | mmaestri | 2008.8 will be based on qtopia-x11 |
| 22:51.13 | Torikun | any idea how much longer |
| 22:51.20 | donomo | openmoko hired rasterman right? why would they be putting work into qtopia |
| 22:51.26 | donomo | when the have the evolution stuff |
| 22:52.20 | mmaestri | donomo: seems that they liked qtopia better |
| 22:52.26 | Torikun | qtopia is better |
| 22:52.27 | Torikun | stable |
| 22:52.32 | Torikun | and made good for a phone |
| 22:52.34 | dingman | donomo, qtopia is more mature as a featurephone OS |
| 22:53.03 | Torikun | Ihope 2008.08 can view my sim card contacts! |
| 22:53.17 | dingman | Merging that stuff in with the X11 display approach and the ability to keep using GTK or the Enlightenment toolkit for new apps lets them have both. |
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| 22:54.05 | dingman | Torikun, every image I've tried since my FreeRunner got here could see my SIM contacts. |
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| 22:54.29 | Torikun | Qtopia was the only one that worked with mine dingman GTK versions had issues |
| 22:55.10 | confidential1 | same here Torikun, just that I tried the openmoko-qtopia-x11 image, which I believe had some qtopia in it... |
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| 22:55.18 | Torikun | Yup |
| 22:55.23 | Torikun | exit |
| 22:55.27 | confidential1 | and it worked on that, but not on 2007.2 |
| 22:55.32 | dingman | The factory image did, the various dailies, both -devel and -qtopia-x11 have. Framework milestone two did nothing, so I couldn't tell if it knew the contacts were there |
| 22:56.07 | dingman | and of course qtopia did, too. |
| 22:56.22 | mmaestri | weird. using last qtopia-x11, every time i try to use any qtopia based app, the lower bar (buttons like options and back) dissapear when i touch it |
| 22:56.39 | Torikun | mmaestri: That is a normal error on that version he he |
| 22:56.43 | mmaestri | the bar just goes away |
| 22:56.49 | Torikun | actually a `feature` |
| 22:56.52 | mmaestri | funny, huh? |
| 22:56.54 | confidential1 | mmaestri: same here... :S |
| 22:57.35 | UndrWater | suppose it's fixed? |
| 22:57.46 | Torikun | the screenshots for 200808 looked awesome |
| 22:57.49 | Torikun | It should be |
| 22:58.03 | mmaestri | soo...what we have so far? will asu make all this "little things" dissapear...? |
| 22:58.13 | Torikun | Have faith |
| 22:58.19 | donomo | Torikun: url for the screenshots? |
| 22:58.43 | Torikun | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2008.8 <--donomo |
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| 22:59.44 | donomo | Torikun: thx |
| 22:59.53 | Torikun | np |
| 23:00.37 | confidential1 | which distro is the third screenshot here: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ ? |
| 23:00.49 | confidential1 | sorry, fourth:P |
| 23:00.55 | Torikun | that is the gtk one |
| 23:01.00 | Torikun | 2007 |
| 23:01.04 | Torikun | .something |
| 23:01.20 | confidential1 | 2007.2 ? |
| 23:01.58 | Torikun | Try it |
| 23:02.28 | railer | Re-design themes by customizing your own Edje files. - thats what I want to know |
| 23:02.28 | xt | why doesnt screen work |
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| 23:14.03 | ozzloy | how do i play music in the qtopia media player? |
| 23:16.05 | SirBob1701 | here is an unrelated to openmoko question wtf does this mean http://wiki.modruby.net/en/?FAQ#Can%27t+require+libraries+by+the+%60loading+from+unsafe+path%27+error. |
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| 23:16.08 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 23:18.01 | UndrWater | http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/ |
| 23:18.17 | Torikun | not releases ye |
| 23:18.23 | johngay | Damn! I was just confirming my order with paypal and konq crashed. Now I don't know if it went through or not. |
| 23:18.28 | UndrWater | no...but you can make a .conf and upgrade |
| 23:18.38 | Torikun | reop files are not dated today |
| 23:18.45 | Torikun | 06-Aug-2008 12:45 |
| 23:18.54 | UndrWater | johngay: you can check your paypal account to see if it id |
| 23:18.56 | UndrWater | *did |
| 23:19.06 | UndrWater | Torikun: make your own |
| 23:19.07 | xhrit | ... |
| 23:19.34 | johngay | But I didn't open an account, I just entered my credit card details. )= |
| 23:19.34 | xhrit | what is wrong with the mediaplayer on my phone - all teh icons are missing and teh sound sucks. |
| 23:19.49 | UndrWater | oohhh |
| 23:20.01 | UndrWater | you can check your CC account then |
| 23:20.08 | UndrWater | call or check online |
| 23:20.09 | xhrit | i adjusted the settings in alsaconfig |
| 23:20.43 | xhrit | and read all the forums about the ef so i turned all the wireless devices off... |
| 23:20.54 | xhrit | rf, lol |
| 23:21.14 | johngay | Guess I'll have to. My finacial advisor takes care of that stuff for me. I left koolu a message. |
| 23:21.18 | xhrit | the music plays fine in mplayer using the command line... |
| 23:21.56 | xhrit | and all teh system sounds/ phone calls work, so i am pretty sure it is just an issue with the mediaplayer. |
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| 23:24.40 | cjb | you guys might be amused to hear that I'm likely to fail to meet up with Sean because FSO didn't beep when I got an SMS |
| 23:24.50 | cjb | maybe he'll be amused too :) |
| 23:26.25 | cjb | is there a way to get FSO to tell me when I received an SMS? |
| 23:26.26 | cjb | that would help |
| 23:26.29 | Robot101 | call him? :P |
| 23:30.09 | railer | mplayer plays mp3's now? |
| 23:30.20 | cjb | has done for years, yeah |
| 23:30.34 | cjb | it needs an mp3 decoder for all of the video codecs that use mp3 for audio, which is a lot of them |
| 23:30.39 | railer | still havn't tried it |
| 23:30.48 | railer | it's on my list |
| 23:32.23 | Dave | Railer! |
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| 23:38.43 | xhrit | why does home only show a close all applications button if i have an application selected? |
| 23:39.01 | abraxa_ | xhrit: Which distribution? |
| 23:39.14 | xhrit | 2007.2? |
| 23:39.41 | xhrit | what distro should i be using? |
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| 23:40.13 | abraxa_ | xhrit: Ah. In that case you'll most likely want to press the power button shortly to close an application instead of using the program list that the today screen offers :) |
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| 23:42.25 | koenigjm | Hey all, anyone have any luck getting SMS working on the TMobile network? |
| 23:42.35 | SpeedEvil | koenigjm: US? |
| 23:42.42 | koenigjm | it says I have a message, but when I got to open the app closes....yep, US |
| 23:42.45 | SpeedEvil | Worked just fine for me i hte UK |
| 23:43.05 | abraxa_ | koenigjm: Which distribution? |
| 23:43.10 | koenigjm | 2007.2 |
| 23:43.43 | koenigjm | I am looking at switching distros, so maybe it won't be such a problem :P |
| 23:43.53 | koenigjm | Is FSO a good distro? |
| 23:43.57 | abraxa_ | koenigjm: I'd assume it to be a bug as 2007.2 is unmaintained (SHR aside). I'd try 2008.8 instead. |
| 23:44.06 | koenigjm | is that out? |
| 23:44.11 | koenigjm | I thought that was still in dev |
| 23:44.18 | abraxa_ | koenigjm: It is, but I don't know about SMS support. You can strill try, though. |
| 23:44.25 | abraxa_ | I meant |
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| 23:44.37 | abraxa_ | koenigjm: FSO is good, but I don't know about SMS support. You can strill try, though. |
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| 23:44.51 | abraxa_ | And 2008.8 has been out in the form of ASU |
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| 23:45.06 | koenigjm | ASU? |
| 23:45.28 | abraxa_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 23:45.39 | koenigjm | Ah, thanks |
| 23:45.43 | xt | ASU SHHMAZU |
| 23:45.45 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r41524bd4afcc 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcdates.inc: and efl up - get batget changes to handle new "strange" 'not charging' state. |
| 23:45.49 | SpeedEvil | ~ASU |
| 23:45.50 | apt | methinks asu is the April Software Update, an release name for a OpenMoko distribution. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan. |
| 23:46.44 | UndrWater | now August Software Update ;) |
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| 23:48.30 | trix | koenigjm, I have t-mobile in the US and am sending and receiving SMS fine using 2007.2 |
| 23:48.38 | Torikun | when is 2008 coming out |
| 23:48.41 | xt | today |
| 23:48.47 | Torikun | :-$ when |
| 23:48.47 | Torikun | l0ol |
| 23:48.53 | xt | $TODAY |
| 23:49.11 | koenigjm | Trix: hug, what software are you using? the standard "Messages" app? |
| 23:49.19 | koenigjm | *hug = huh |
| 23:49.33 | trix | koenigjm, yes. i'm all opkg updated/upgraded |
| 23:50.13 | koenigjm | trix: so am I....hmmm.. |
| 23:51.27 | trix | koenigjm, you might tail -f /tmp/x.log and then go to open up the messages app and see if it writes anything to it |
| 23:52.07 | koenigjm | trix: good idea. I figured I would stop here first see if someone else had encountered the same problem. |
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| 23:54.12 | trix | koenigjm, opkg list_installed openmoko-messages2 |
| 23:54.26 | trix | openmoko-messages2 - 0.1.0+svnr4340-r1 is what i have |
| 23:54.41 | koenigjm | trix: ok, I am just ran opkg upgrade again...and it seems that I don't have the latest... |
| 23:55.01 | koenigjm | I guess I will keep running it until it no longer upgrades anything |
| 23:56.16 | trix | that's gotta be it then |
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