| 00:00.07 | tdobson | undrwater: he's trying to run openmoko I understand |
| 00:00.15 | ajehals | openmoko! |
| 00:00.25 | undrwater | ajehals: what device? |
| 00:00.32 | ajehals | hx4700 |
| 00:00.38 | undrwater | coolio! |
| 00:00.43 | ajehals | no issues with the OS as such, or packages, I think its a conf issue |
| 00:01.03 | ajehals | I can launch a keyboard from a terminal (well via ssh using -display-0:0 |
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| 00:01.10 | ajehals | ) |
| 00:01.19 | Tanuva | SpeedEvil: I stopped frameworkd, but gpsd still dies with the same error message: http://rafb.net/p/vzXhLO53.html |
| 00:01.21 | ajehals | but cant do it on the |
| 00:01.26 | ajehals | PDA through the GUI |
| 00:01.39 | undrwater | ahhh...have you checked the wiki on changing keyboard? |
| 00:01.49 | ajehals | I thought I had.... |
| 00:02.03 | ajehals | I'll do that again though.. |
| 00:02.06 | SpeedEvil | Tanuva: what about cat? |
| 00:02.28 | Tanuva | SpeedEvil: says nothing |
| 00:02.54 | SpeedEvil | Tanuva: it shouldhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS |
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| 00:03.26 | Tanuva | ah, one moment - would be a good idea to enable it before cat'ing I guess... |
| 00:04.08 | rooly|away | ok |
| 00:04.09 | rooly|away | so |
| 00:04.14 | rooly|away | om2008.8 is beautiful so far |
| 00:04.16 | undrwater | ajehals: what was your process to get openmoko on the HTC? i want to try to put it on one of my zauruses |
| 00:04.21 | rooly|away | except i can't get ssh access |
| 00:04.32 | rooly|away | remembers he didn' tupdate the kernel |
| 00:04.38 | undrwater | i can't get ssh for ASU either |
| 00:04.58 | tdobson | rooly|away: tricky to move to? |
| 00:04.58 | koenigjm | is there something special that needs to be done to configure DNS? I finally got connected to my wifi and it populated the nameserver entries in resolv.conf |
| 00:05.02 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke * r4589 10/developers/zecke/root-password/ (. GNUmakefile README root-password.c): |
| 00:05.02 | CIA-47 | openmoko: [root-password] First attempt at a small utility to set the root password |
| 00:05.02 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Small Gtk+ app to set the root password. Not yet tested. |
| 00:05.05 | koenigjm | but I can't ping by DNS :S |
| 00:05.21 | rooly|away | tdobson, no, not really |
| 00:05.31 | undrwater | usb 5-2: device not accepting address 19, error -71 |
| 00:05.45 | Tanuva | SpeedEvil: hmm. now it IS enabled, but still doesn't give any output... |
| 00:05.58 | ajehals | undrwater - Angstrom have packages, so flash with a minimal image and then install the relevent packages... obviously you need to get rid of things that relate to hardware you dont have (gsmd / gps etc..) but thats all... |
| 00:06.18 | SpeedEvil | Tanuva: odd |
| 00:06.27 | rooly|away | grr |
| 00:06.27 | Tanuva | yep |
| 00:06.28 | SpeedEvil | Tanuva: sorry - going to sleep now. |
| 00:06.35 | rooly|away | how does one ssh into the om2008.8... |
| 00:06.40 | Tanuva | SpeedEvil: g'night :) |
| 00:06.57 | ajehals | undrwater - I use a SDG bootloader to boot off a CF so its moderatley easy to switch OS (or dual boot) |
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| 00:07.45 | tkep | are the daily qtopia images considered ASU? |
| 00:07.49 | tkep | or are they different? |
| 00:08.05 | Tanuva | asu != qtopia |
| 00:08.05 | kd8ikt | koenigjm: |
| 00:08.05 | weatherhead | all the images from buildhost.openmoko.org are ASU |
| 00:08.16 | kd8ikt | how are you connected? |
| 00:08.17 | weatherhead | for actual "qtopia" images you want qtopia.net |
| 00:08.28 | koenigjm | WPA2 encrypted network |
| 00:08.34 | koenigjm | and via usb for my ssh access :) |
| 00:08.36 | kd8ikt | usb? |
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| 00:08.46 | kd8ikt | logout usb and login to wifi ip |
| 00:09.01 | koenigjm | so |
| 00:09.05 | koenigjm | *ok even |
| 00:09.08 | tkep | right, but i want what is the asu version |
| 00:09.09 | tdobson | koenigjm: have you tried the wifi guis..... - I had dns issues and stuff but the guis seems to have resolve most of the pain |
| 00:09.22 | tkep | so would i need to get the daily qtopia image? |
| 00:09.50 | kd8ikt | also might want to ifconfig usb0 when in if you still cant ping google |
| 00:10.00 | weatherhead | tkep: the ASU images are anything you get from buildhost labelled "qtopia" |
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| 00:10.14 | tkep | thanks :) |
| 00:10.23 | kd8ikt | while true qtopia is from gtopia.net |
| 00:10.58 | ajehals | tdobson - I'm going to give up for now I think- I'm guessing its a version problem... and at least I have a keyboard for now... although I cant boot into a different OS if I want it to stay there.... |
| 00:12.15 | koenigjm | sure enough! thanks kd8! |
| 00:12.32 | koenigjm | at least now I can update and install some apps :) |
| 00:12.47 | tdobson | ajehals: heh. ok. the ASU http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2008.8 - may be of interst at some point |
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| 00:14.40 | ajehals | tdobson - cheers. |
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| 00:16.21 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke * r4590 10/developers/zecke/root-password/root-password.c: |
| 00:16.21 | CIA-47 | openmoko: [root-password] Put the label + entry into a table and everything aligns nicely |
| 00:16.21 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Make the alignment of the two rows look sane. |
| 00:16.45 | Moo-- | how I can prevent suspending/sleep? |
| 00:16.51 | Infoport | does anybody know if the issue with broken USB networking after upgrade has been fixed? I have upgraded since then and didn't see a problem, so I want to know if I still need the manual steps for the kernel modules |
| 00:19.44 | Infoport | There has been a Wiki entry in "getting Started" that references an Aug-2 thread on broken ether over USB |
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| 00:38.41 | tim_abell | what has my neo got against my home wifi?! |
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| 00:40.11 | kgoetz | <star wars cantina> it doesnt like you</> |
| 00:40.26 | ajehals | tdobson - OK reboot and now 100% functional - and yes, it be very quick |
| 00:40.39 | tim_abell | perhaps my home router is from the dark side |
| 00:41.02 | tdobson | ajehals: bah. you and your big CPUs/screens etc. |
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| 00:41.41 | tdobson | tim_abell: are you using one of the gui's |
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| 00:42.07 | tim_abell | been trying both mofi and lint. don't have enough details for ask for proper help yet |
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| 00:42.21 | tim_abell | mostly they seem to hang. works fine at work, annoyingly |
| 00:42.41 | tdobson | mofi hangs for me |
| 00:42.48 | tdobson | lint seems better in general |
| 00:42.51 | tim_abell | oh good, i'm not alone |
| 00:43.27 | tdobson | tim_abell: well mofi hangs 19/20. lint works 15/20. in my experience |
| 00:43.51 | pjz | how do you add apps to the menu so you can start them from the UI? |
| 00:43.54 | ajehals | tdobson - heh, what I need now is a decent ebook reader (that isnt fbreader) where I can turn pages by flicking the screen... |
| 00:44.07 | tdobson | haha |
| 00:44.15 | tdobson | ajehals: let me know if you find one. |
| 00:44.46 | ajehals | tdobson - I'll almost bet that att none exists :/ |
| 00:45.03 | tdobson | pjz: something to do with .desktop's # are you assking from a end user or dev perspective. |
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| 00:45.17 | tdobson | ajehals: modify one :P |
| 00:45.23 | tdobson | ;) |
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| 00:45.38 | ajehals | That sounds hard.... |
| 00:45.44 | rooly|away | where the hell is the terminal in the om2008.8 |
| 00:45.49 | ajehals | but maybe. |
| 00:46.14 | tdobson | ajehals: possibly. I don't know how it works and what would be needed |
| 00:46.18 | tdobson | anyway. |
| 00:46.21 | tdobson | -> bed |
| 00:46.38 | rooly|away | that makes a segfault, tdobson |
| 00:47.44 | trix | rooly how's 2008.8 look |
| 00:47.44 | tdobson | ajehals: did I leave my headset thingy at your house when I came over? you haven't seen it have you? |
| 00:48.02 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rde2ae6fb5473 10/packages/openmoko-tools/app-restarter_svn.bb: [app-restarter] Add X11 to the dependencies. |
| 00:48.02 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5c03d90c4741 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [openmoko] Add a Gtk+ utility to set the root password |
| 00:48.03 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r79e463566fb8 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko] Add the Qtopia debug helper and root password utility |
| 00:48.03 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra3b8a40fc842 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [openmoko] Add the matchbox-keyboard-im gtk+ modules for keyboard input |
| 00:48.45 | ajehals | tdobson - dont think so, But I will have a look |
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| 00:48.55 | feydreva | hey |
| 00:49.06 | tdobson | don't worry massively. it will turn up. but thatnks anyway. :) |
| 00:49.17 | tdobson | feydreva: hi |
| 00:49.19 | tdobson | beds |
| 00:49.45 | ajehals | wasn't worried |
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| 00:52.36 | hipitihop | I am running latest fso, and have imported contacts from sim. Can someone tell me where those are stored as I want to back up to desktop via usbnet |
| 00:53.10 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc40dda990d39 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin to avoid packagekitd races |
| 00:53.10 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * red930c7c7102 10/packages/openmoko-tools/app-restarter_svn.bb: [app-restarter] Add X11 to the dependencies. |
| 00:53.11 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rad6f7e8de52f 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [openmoko] Add a Gtk+ utility to set the root password |
| 00:53.12 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re6ac61df5e71 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko] Add the Qtopia debug helper and root password utility |
| 00:53.15 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5252d7977370 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [openmoko] Add the matchbox-keyboard-im gtk+ modules for keyboard input |
| 00:54.38 | pjz | tdobson: I dunno, both maybe; I want to install lint-wifi so the icon will show up |
| 00:56.08 | kd8ikt | hipitihop: i think gsmd is what reads it look into http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd |
| 00:57.10 | hipitihop | kd8ikt, will do thanks. |
| 00:57.21 | rooly|away | kd8ikt, how do i connect to a wifi network in om2008.8 |
| 00:57.51 | kd8ikt | same as you would with any linux computer? |
| 00:58.00 | rooly|away | meh |
| 00:58.03 | rooly|away | can't get to a terminal |
| 00:58.09 | kd8ikt | ssh in |
| 00:58.41 | rooly|away | can't seem to do that either |
| 00:59.15 | kd8ikt | hold on let me boot into the "new" ASU crap and find out |
| 00:59.44 | Infoport | off to reboot and search for the volume controls that don't let me hear calls! |
| 01:00.09 | rooly|away | btw, om2008.8...it has profile controls |
| 01:00.11 | kgoetz | is there a lst of repositories? the last update killed my package lists, so i cant upgrade to get new ones :\ |
| 01:00.33 | ajehals | mental note: do nor remove the card openmoko is booting from halfway through the boot sequence... |
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| 01:02.43 | e_s_p | Dumb question: would it be possible to yank all the good bits out of the Android SDK and run them on the Linux kernel of a FreeRunner? |
| 01:03.17 | rooly|away | maybe |
| 01:03.26 | kgoetz | with enough effort... |
| 01:03.39 | rooly|away | and a recoding of the api itself |
| 01:03.57 | tdobson | Pjz. did you use the package? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Lint-wifi |
| 01:04.27 | e_s_p | It'd be interesting to check it out |
| 01:04.36 | e_s_p | Would it really be necessary to recode the API? |
| 01:04.50 | rooly|away | probably not the entire thing |
| 01:05.20 | tdobson | Pjz if you didn't install from package or it doesn't make any difference or makes things worse, try the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Lint-wifi&oldid=44632 |
| 01:05.30 | e_s_p | apparently not all of it is Open Source |
| 01:05.35 | e_s_p | Which, like, FAIL |
| 01:05.50 | tdobson | Pjz: if that doesn't work ask again, and someone else may be able to help. I'm going to bed now :) |
| 01:05.54 | kgoetz | tries to write a new set of package feeds |
| 01:08.11 | kgoetz | swtiches to scardycat |
| 01:08.42 | tim_abell | w00t. command line to the rescue. manual config and my home wireless is now connected. finally |
| 01:08.51 | tim_abell | and i didn't even have to recompile anything |
| 01:09.06 | tim_abell | i wish i had the time to work on the wireless guis |
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| 01:09.54 | Infoport | help! I still can't hear anything over pohone with my Freerunner-- may have been after I followed Wiki to save states |
| 01:10.09 | kgoetz | no i'm not, because i still get errors. fksk :( |
| 01:10.21 | tim_abell | are there any imap clients available? |
| 01:11.47 | hipitihop | kd8ikt, gsmd doesn't apear to be used in the fso stack but then I'm bit of a linuxnoob so possibly looking in wrong places |
| 01:11.48 | stevenSn | tim_abell: ASU has qtmail |
| 01:12.28 | tim_abell | i'm a little unsure what's involved in this asu thing |
| 01:12.51 | tim_abell | i've been opkg upgrading my phone, but do i need to do more than that to get asu? |
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| 01:13.33 | stevenSn | ASU requires you to reflash the root file system. (ASU hasn't been officially 'released' yet). |
| 01:14.45 | tim_abell | hmm, think i'll not tackle that tonight |
| 01:14.55 | tim_abell | perhaps on sat when i have a day to myself |
| 01:15.03 | tim_abell | thanks for your help there |
| 01:15.11 | koenigjm | I just got done updating, and now when I run opkg update I get some strange urls: |
| 01:15.11 | koenigjm | Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.gz |
| 01:15.27 | koenigjm | I take it I will need to go in and fix the repos by hand? |
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| 01:15.35 | tim_abell | i spent 2 hours on the phone to 02 to get this kinda support for the gf's nokia |
| 01:17.06 | koenigjm | hmm...then they all fail :S |
| 01:18.20 | koenigjm | is there a way I can restore the opkg repo files to what they were? |
| 01:20.21 | rwhitby | koenigjm: wget the feed configs ipk from http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/updates/ |
| 01:20.30 | rwhitby | then opkg install from the downloaded file |
| 01:21.20 | rwhitby | that will point them to the fso updates feed, however, that moves much more slowly than the daily feeds. |
| 01:22.43 | koenigjm | gta02 ones, yes? |
| 01:23.06 | feydreva | koenigjm, yes you need to fix them by hand.,.. |
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| 01:24.50 | koenigjm | or do I need both the gta01 and gta02? |
| 01:24.59 | feydreva | koenigjm, there is the one I use : http://paste.uni.cc/19214 |
| 01:25.11 | feydreva | for gta02 |
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| 01:27.47 | koenigjm | then just opkg install <ipkg_file>? |
| 01:28.22 | koenigjm | *<ipk_file> rather |
| 01:29.57 | rwhitby | feydreva: you've got quite a mixed bag of feeds there. |
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| 01:30.29 | brian|lfs | hello |
| 01:30.34 | feydreva | rwhitby, yeah :) bit I got the most recent stuff.. I got wifi-radar for exemple, that is noce.. |
| 01:30.54 | feydreva | rwhitby, opkg will take the most recent package anyway :) |
| 01:30.58 | tim_abell | uh oh. root@om-gta02:~# opkg update ... Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.gz |
| 01:31.00 | Infoport | hmm.. the ringer is also very quiet, but I can hear it in the right ear with the earphones. still can't hear any talking on Freerunner. |
| 01:31.01 | brian|lfs | how are you doing feydreva |
| 01:31.08 | brian|lfs | thanks for the links last night man |
| 01:31.19 | feydreva | brian|lfs, goo and yourself ? :) you r welcome.. I m still sharing this links today :) |
| 01:31.37 | brian|lfs | I still can't seem to get any internet from my sim card still |
| 01:31.47 | brian|lfs | but the wifi works fine |
| 01:32.13 | feydreva | hum.. for the sim card.. there was some link today about how to do it with Tmobile.. I haven;t try yet.. |
| 01:32.19 | brian|lfs | I called AT&T today becuase I had no voice may from when they did a sim swap |
| 01:32.47 | brian|lfs | mail |
| 01:33.28 | brian|lfs | I had to give them the imei off the opnmoko so they could add it to their system |
| 01:33.41 | feydreva | :) |
| 01:33.56 | feydreva | they want to be able to track you down .. :) |
| 01:34.02 | brian|lfs | lol |
| 01:34.12 | brian|lfs | can't they do that with the SIM card |
| 01:34.14 | brian|lfs | lol |
| 01:34.17 | kd8ikt | whew i'm cutting it close now trying for a quad boot with just 512mSD |
| 01:34.32 | brian|lfs | lol |
| 01:34.52 | feydreva | the imei number is unique per phone.... so they know who is using the phone.. and if authotities says, this phone, with this emei number has probelms with the justice.. they can give you name this way.. |
| 01:35.16 | Infoport | I was able to make calls before, but now no sounds comes or goes from my Freerunner, even though the call connects |
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| 01:35.33 | feydreva | Infoport, which root FS ? wich kernel ? |
| 01:35.47 | linuxxr | yea wat he said |
| 01:36.19 | Infoport | running 2007.2 upgraded today, kernel 2.6.24 #1 |
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| 01:36.22 | brian|lfs | I thought you told me last night feydreva that data should jsut work with the sim card I have |
| 01:36.26 | brian|lfs | I'm a little confused |
| 01:36.41 | feydreva | brian|lfs, hum I told you for the wifi... for the sim card, I do not know |
| 01:36.56 | brian|lfs | oh |
| 01:36.57 | brian|lfs | ok |
| 01:37.06 | linuxxr | i wish my wifi would just work |
| 01:37.10 | brian|lfs | are they a pain to get workign most of the time |
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| 01:37.13 | feydreva | people are still tssting it I think |
| 01:37.28 | feydreva | linuxxr, did you try wifi-radar ? |
| 01:37.35 | linuxxr | not yet |
| 01:37.51 | feydreva | okpg install wifi-radar, with this opkg file : http://paste.uni.cc/19214 |
| 01:37.53 | koenigjm | oy, seems that I am still having trouble...I try opkg install openmoko-mediaplayer2 and I get an error 2 :S |
| 01:37.58 | linuxxr | u got the august roofs? |
| 01:38.10 | feydreva | hum no |
| 01:38.29 | feydreva | august Fs is planned for the 8th no ? :) |
| 01:38.39 | feydreva | according to the wiki... |
| 01:38.42 | koenigjm | if I do a factory restore, will that return the OS to the out of the box state? |
| 01:39.18 | Infoport | I did try to raise the volume via alsamixer as in the Wiki, but I really don't know what might be left in there that isn't set. Or possibly from saving the .state files? |
| 01:39.33 | feydreva | koenigjm, error 2 means not found I think... what do you have in /etc/okpg/ ? inside the file ? |
| 01:39.52 | trix | i'm getting errors on my formatted sd card trying to mount it. is there an fschck on openmoko? |
| 01:40.15 | Infoport | feydreva I believe that the ASU fs is out there with earlier dates (like an Alpha maybe?) |
| 01:40.36 | koenigjm | ls /etc/opkg : |
| 01:40.36 | koenigjm | all-feed.conf armv4t-feed.conf neo1973-feed.conf |
| 01:40.36 | koenigjm | arch.conf fic-gta02-feed.conf om-gta02-feed.conf |
| 01:40.39 | feydreva | Infoport, yesy maybe.. haven;t seen it.. I was looking for it too :) |
| 01:40.54 | feydreva | koenigjm, insside the file... do a more al0-feed.conf |
| 01:41.02 | feydreva | more all-feed.conf |
| 01:41.26 | koenigjm | src/gz fso-all http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/updates/all |
| 01:41.54 | spdr | the freerunner should actually boot out of the box, right ? |
| 01:41.59 | Infoport | here is a page about 2008.08 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2008.8 |
| 01:42.04 | feydreva | spdr, yes |
| 01:42.14 | spdr | back to the factory for my moko i guess :( |
| 01:42.15 | trix | Disk /dev/mmcblk0 doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 01:42.17 | trix | yuck |
| 01:42.35 | spdr | another month to re-wait :\ |
| 01:42.50 | Infoport | also, now a link under the Distributions page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Openmoko2008.8_.28ASU.2C_April.2FAugust_Software_Update.29 |
| 01:43.04 | feydreva | did you plug it in ? to power suply ? and press the poweer button for at least 8-10 seconds ??? |
| 01:43.12 | Infoport | NOTE: I have NOT tried any of those images myself yet, just found them today |
| 01:43.24 | spdr | feydreva, yes |
| 01:43.30 | spdr | but it loads a colorful screen |
| 01:43.34 | spdr | looks really buggy |
| 01:43.39 | spdr | and never gets past it :\ |
| 01:43.45 | tim_abell | hurrah. un-fubar'd opkg config. thank goodness for tar backups |
| 01:44.16 | spdr | looks like those old sega games when they get stuck :0 |
| 01:45.23 | koenigjm | Feydreva: Did that all-feed.conf look right? |
| 01:45.48 | feydreva | koenigjm, i do not have FSO... |
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| 01:45.55 | feydreva | koenigjm, I use the 2007.2 |
| 01:45.59 | tim_abell | mine is "src/gz daily-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all" |
| 01:46.18 | spdr | feydreva, any idea if its a known issue ? |
| 01:46.33 | tim_abell | does anyone know why that got replaced with "my-distribution.org" in the latest update? |
| 01:46.38 | spdr | perhaps it just got damaged in delivery .. |
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| 01:46.54 | feydreva | http://paste.uni.cc/19214 that s mine.. |
| 01:46.56 | tim_abell | mighty strange |
| 01:46.58 | kgoetz | tim_abell: i suspect part of the build chain didnt do some substitutions |
| 01:47.04 | tim_abell | ah |
| 01:47.06 | tim_abell | that figures |
| 01:47.17 | tim_abell | not that i'd know either way :) |
| 01:47.22 | kgoetz | has the same thing, and is using it as an excuse to flash on debian ;) |
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| 01:47.33 | Zeroth__ | Hi guys, just got my phone today. |
| 01:47.34 | linuxxr | can u get to uboot spdr? |
| 01:47.41 | nomeata | Hi. I have installed debian on my freerunner, but the touch screen is behaving strangely: |
| 01:47.44 | linuxxr | spdr |
| 01:47.45 | spdr | linuxxr, nope :( |
| 01:47.51 | spdr | cant get anywhere :( |
| 01:48.01 | linuxxr | sim in it |
| 01:48.06 | nomeata | ts_calibrate works and ts_print gives correct values, but the pointer in X is off by an factor of 1/2 |
| 01:48.10 | spdr | cant even ssh to the thing .. witch is understandable since it wont boot :\ |
| 01:48.25 | linuxxr | no cards in it right |
| 01:48.30 | spdr | linuxxr, tried with sim, without, with sd, without, just about every combination |
| 01:48.41 | ieatlint | well, openmoko was attracting a decent amount of attention at linuxworld |
| 01:48.43 | linuxxr | dangit man |
| 01:48.53 | wyze | nometa - what did u do to get ts_calibrate to actually fire up? |
| 01:49.25 | nomeata | wyze: TSLIB_CONSOLEDEVICE=none TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event1 ts_calibrate |
| 01:49.35 | wyze | sweet |
| 01:49.44 | linuxxr | no lights? |
| 01:50.13 | nomeata | wyze: I had to read the source to find that out, though |
| 01:50.34 | spdr | the screen turns on with lots of colorful (blue/purpleish) pixels :\ |
| 01:50.53 | spdr | and just freezes ... waited for it to boot ... never did |
| 01:50.55 | Zeroth__ | I've been having some issues with opkg. I keep getting return value:2 which indicates it could not parse the config file. I've already checked to make sure the opkg.conf file is all right. |
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| 01:52.34 | linuxxr | i guess the battery is up |
| 01:53.01 | linuxxr | maybe u get an upgraded 1 |
| 01:53.12 | wyze | nomeata: i've had to play around with pointercal by hand and have it close, but not perfect |
| 01:53.22 | spdr | okay, no more colorful pixels |
| 01:53.33 | spdr | now just white and a blue thick line :\ |
| 01:53.53 | nomeata | wyze: so you had the same problem? |
| 01:54.00 | wyze | yep |
| 01:54.30 | nomeata | wyze: can you paste me your pointercal? |
| 01:54.31 | phrozen77 | WHY OH WHY do i have to suffer for another 10 days until i get my FR |
| 01:54.50 | rwhitby | mickey_away: could you add a -lX11 to LDOPTS in numptyphysics? I don't have mtn installed any more :-) (waiting for the flag day) |
| 01:54.52 | nomeata | wyze: and did you by chance check that the tslib input driver actually calculates with the correct orientation |
| 01:54.59 | linuxxr | well u gonna suffer more after u get it |
| 01:55.00 | kd8ikt | anyone get a /etc/pointercal that works with landscape ? |
| 01:55.02 | spdr | all the moko's in the world, and mine came fucked up out of the box |
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| 01:55.31 | Zeroth__ | I'm having some configuration problems with opkg. anyone have any experience with it? |
| 01:55.36 | kd8ikt | spdr: dont feel bad you were bound to fuck it up soon enough anyway |
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| 01:55.46 | linuxxr | l o l |
| 01:55.55 | rwhitby | spdr: describe your symptoms in an email to andy on the kernel list - it sounds like the glamo problem he is chasing |
| 01:56.24 | wyze | nomeata: not specifically.. i realized that there was an issue so i guesstimated the pointercal - i've had 348539450989 other things to do on the FR |
| 01:56.25 | linuxxr | send spdr a turbo moko |
| 01:56.31 | kd8ikt | you didnt drop it in the toilet by chance have you? |
| 01:56.33 | spdr | kd8ikt, atleast to a state i can fix it :( |
| 01:56.39 | Infoport | 5 different .state files, dozens of mixer settings, and I'm not sure where is keeping my handset from having sound on a call |
| 01:56.41 | spdr | lol hell no |
| 01:57.19 | linuxxr | that WOULD be a drag |
| 01:57.36 | spdr | rwhitby, andy? what problem did he encounter ? |
| 01:57.42 | kd8ikt | hey i've had friends come to me with router problems and when they showed me i laughed well no wonder you broke it, he pulls out the power cord for the one that works and jams it into the burned out one... well now i know how he broke it |
| 01:58.14 | spdr | rwhitby, do you have the address by any chance ? |
| 01:58.16 | kd8ikt | this ones power supply is 5v and this ones 12... |
| 01:58.26 | rwhitby | spdr: look on the kernel list for wacky racers glamo issue in the last two weeks |
| 01:58.29 | kd8ikt | guess what?! you burned it! |
| 01:58.30 | rooly|away | back |
| 01:58.39 | rooly|away | so, kd8ikt did you find out how to get to a terminal? |
| 01:58.41 | tim_abell | if my sources are all set to daily, does that mean i effectively already have the asu? |
| 01:58.52 | kd8ikt | no i'm doing sometghing else |
| 01:59.22 | kd8ikt | mainly repartitioning my sd card and installing multiple builds |
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| 01:59.27 | rooly|away | ic |
| 01:59.30 | linuxxr | yay |
| 01:59.34 | rooly|away | i guess i'll have to wait 3 days |
| 01:59.51 | linuxxr | 3 weeks |
| 02:00.02 | rwhitby | spdr: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-July/004098.html |
| 02:00.26 | Zeroth__ | I don't mean to be a pest, but I can't install anything at all on the phone. |
| 02:00.55 | trix | it seems like ntpclient has disappeared from the buildhost |
| 02:00.55 | spdr | rwhitby, just found that, thanks :) |
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| 02:02.16 | Infoport | hmmm...media player doesn't seem to want to run now either, wonder if its related |
| 02:02.43 | spdr | white screen of death sounds right |
| 02:02.52 | spdr | but why would this happen 'out of the box' ? |
| 02:03.03 | tim_abell | is it me or is buildhost a little slow for package downloads at the moment? |
| 02:03.05 | kd8ikt | loves andy |
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| 02:04.13 | kd8ikt | we need to chip in and throw him like 50$ each |
| 02:04.21 | kd8ikt | for beer |
| 02:04.30 | rwhitby | spdr: it's a heisenbug as far as I can see. My GTA02 boots less than 50% of the time |
| 02:05.41 | Zeroth__ | *coughs* Can anyone see me? |
| 02:06.02 | spdr | rwhitby, suffering the same issue when it wont boot ? |
| 02:06.14 | Moo-- | Zeroth__: no, but I can see your conversation text |
| 02:06.21 | Moo-- | :) |
| 02:06.29 | phrozen77 | Zeroth__, actually...no |
| 02:07.09 | kd8ikt | heisenburg lol |
| 02:07.29 | Zeroth__ | finally, a response. For some reason, opkg will not install anything. I did the opkg update, upgrade, now it keeps saying error return value:2, which I looked up to mean that the config file cannot be parsed. I have checked the /etc/opkg.conf file, and no issues at all. |
| 02:07.36 | Infoport | anybody know what "Speaker Playback ZC Switch" is? there is also Headphone..ZC and Mono...ZC Switch |
| 02:07.36 | Zeroth__ | what else can I do? |
| 02:07.45 | rwhitby | spdr: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-July/003916.html and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-July/004165.html document my woes |
| 02:08.25 | kd8ikt | Zeroth__: /etc/opkg/*.conf 's |
| 02:08.58 | pjz | Zeroth__: make sure you can reach the outside world from your phone - can it ping google.com? |
| 02:09.14 | Zeroth__ | it in fact can |
| 02:10.01 | rwhitby | Zeroth__: pastebin your config files |
| 02:10.09 | Zeroth__ | working on it |
| 02:11.04 | kd8ikt | Willkommen zur openmoko Denkfabrik |
| 02:11.24 | tim_abell | it, is me. i seem to have broken my neo's internet connection temporarily |
| 02:11.59 | tim_abell | Failed to download ... error 0, could be a little more informative |
| 02:12.05 | tim_abell | ho hum |
| 02:13.01 | pjz | tim_abell: it's meant for embedded devices with tiny amounts of storage - verbose error codes take up an amazing amount of space |
| 02:13.37 | tim_abell | oh right. i'm used to m$ .net & java at work ;) verboooooooose |
| 02:13.53 | tim_abell | i've never had to deal with resource restrictions |
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| 02:14.32 | pjz | if you wnat real verbosity rerun the same command but put 'strace' on the commandline before it ;) |
| 02:14.56 | pjz | bah, liberror-perl isn't built for angstrom |
| 02:15.08 | tim_abell | oh, yay. i had no idea strace was available |
| 02:15.10 | pjz | rwhitby: does opkg grok .debs ? |
| 02:15.19 | kd8ikt | man i need a bigger sd card |
| 02:15.35 | pjz | kd8ikt: how big ya got? |
| 02:15.41 | tim_abell | not that strace means a lot to me, but it sure looks cool |
| 02:15.41 | kd8ikt | 512 |
| 02:15.51 | kd8ikt | like most everyone else here |
| 02:15.54 | pjz | kd8ikt: yow, yeah |
| 02:15.58 | rwhitby | pjz: I don't believe so |
| 02:16.00 | Zeroth__ | here it is guys |
| 02:16.00 | Zeroth__ | http://paste.uni.cc/19221 |
| 02:16.03 | pjz | kd8ikt: I've got a 2Gb |
| 02:16.11 | koenigjm | how big of a SD can the phone handle? |
| 02:16.20 | kd8ikt | lol |
| 02:16.29 | kd8ikt | mydistribution doesnt exist Zeroth__ |
| 02:16.29 | rwhitby | Zeroth__: my-distribution.org is not a real feed |
| 02:16.31 | tim_abell | Zeroth__ has just tripped over the same thing i did |
| 02:16.33 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 02:16.34 | pjz | rwhitby: bah. I'm tyring to get git-svn to work; it needs liberror-perl |
| 02:16.37 | pjz | koenigjm: microSD |
| 02:16.45 | Zeroth__ | so... why is it there? |
| 02:16.47 | Infoport | koenigjm some people have had issues with 4G SDHC cards-- more info on Wiki |
| 02:17.03 | Zeroth__ | and what would be the correct url? |
| 02:17.04 | kd8ikt | because the builder didnt put a real one there |
| 02:17.07 | pjz | hasn't tried his 8Gb, but saw that others had good luck with it |
| 02:17.16 | pjz | is sticking with the 2Gb for now |
| 02:17.17 | Zeroth__ | *bangs head on keyboard* |
| 02:17.20 | Infoport | koenigjm but I think that you can use bigger cards |
| 02:17.40 | tim_abell | Zeroth__, I guess it depends if you want bleeding edge or stable |
| 02:17.45 | pjz | Zeroth__: it's a place holder. see the wiki for real URIs |
| 02:17.50 | tim_abell | i think mine came configured for daily builds |
| 02:18.11 | Zeroth__ | And the question has to be asked why the real urls couldn't have been put in in the first place? |
| 02:18.23 | rwhitby | Zeroth__: for stable FSO, see http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/updates/ |
| 02:18.37 | Infoport | koenigjm I grabbed some 2G cards, no problem |
| 02:18.46 | pjz | Zeroth__: because it's probably built from a common place that other distros use too, so no single url is correct |
| 02:18.55 | rwhitby | Zeroth__: apparently they only set the feed up after the image was released |
| 02:19.08 | tim_abell | http://paste.uni.cc/19222 |
| 02:19.12 | rwhitby | pjz: no, it's configurable on a distro basis |
| 02:19.34 | pjz | rwhitby: is there any kind of .deb->.ipk converter for arch-independent files? |
| 02:19.46 | rwhitby | pjz: ar and tar ? |
| 02:20.07 | pjz | rwhitby: heh. I was hoping for something like alien :) |
| 02:20.23 | rwhitby | tim_abell: note that FSO is built from a different source repository than the daily feeds, so you may get strange conflicts mixing them |
| 02:20.42 | tim_abell | woosh. |
| 02:20.46 | tim_abell | what's fso? |
| 02:20.52 | rwhitby | FSO is developed in the OpenEmbedded repo, which is only periodically synced to the OpenMoko repo that the daily feeds are built from. |
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| 02:21.10 | pjz | tim_abell: go read the Distributions page int he wiki |
| 02:21.49 | tim_abell | i haven't (intentionally at least) changed the sources for opkg |
| 02:21.58 | tim_abell | is it something you noticed in my config? |
| 02:22.30 | tim_abell | i don't see any fso urls there, they all look like daily build ones to me |
| 02:22.57 | tim_abell | is in over his head |
| 02:22.58 | rwhitby | tim_abell: if you're running the default distro, then your feeds are correct. they may not be correct if you are running the FSO image |
| 02:23.08 | tim_abell | oh, i see |
| 02:23.21 | rwhitby | I believe Zeroth__ is running FSO |
| 02:23.25 | tim_abell | i haven't changed anything (yet) so hopefully that's ok |
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| 02:23.35 | Zeroth__ | I just got it today, running the default image. |
| 02:24.04 | tim_abell | it would make sense if Zeroth__ is running daily because I think that's where the broken opkg config came from |
| 02:24.37 | tim_abell | as i did a backup, ran opkg upgrade, and it re-wrote my opkg config files to a broken version |
| 02:25.12 | tim_abell | and my backups are the ones from "good" in my diff, while the "fubar" ones are the result of the opkg upgrade, if that makes sense |
| 02:26.14 | rwhitby | Zeroth__: oh, ok. ignore me and use the config that tim_abell pasted |
| 02:26.21 | tim_abell | :D |
| 02:26.39 | rwhitby | for some reason I thought the my-distro thing was an fso bug only |
| 02:26.39 | tim_abell | i'm only a n00b here |
| 02:27.22 | Zeroth__ | whoo hoo |
| 02:27.25 | Zeroth__ | looks like its working |
| 02:27.42 | Zeroth__ | Thanks guys |
| 02:28.17 | Infoport | well, I found that mediaplayer wasnt starting because the card with the default path wasnt there (and mediaplayer didnt try to do without!!) The small SD card gets mediaplayer back |
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| 02:29.45 | Zeroth__ | so, which is better, the default browser, or minimo? |
| 02:30.53 | spdr_ | okay cool |
| 02:30.59 | spdr_ | i got to the uboot |
| 02:31.30 | spdr_ | perhaps i should just flash the bitch ? |
| 02:31.43 | pjz | rwhitby: for the record, btw, opkg groks .deb files just fine |
| 02:31.46 | kd8ikt | new kernel couldnt hurt |
| 02:31.58 | hipitihop | kd8ikt, I'm going to try lint-wifi today on my alpha/fso , anything I should know before I do ? |
| 02:32.23 | spdr_ | omg booting for the 1st time, i think |
| 02:32.27 | spdr_ | yey :p |
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| 02:34.05 | tim_abell | hurrah, not an hour out any more :-) |
| 02:34.06 | kd8ikt | yea hipitihop configure /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 02:34.42 | spdr_ | how long should it take to finish "registering" ? |
| 02:35.24 | pjz | spdr_: potentially a couple minutes |
| 02:35.28 | cjb | pjz: why's that? |
| 02:35.41 | kd8ikt | unless youre in a faraday cage |
| 02:35.55 | spdr_ | should have full reception here |
| 02:36.05 | spdr_ | oh well, i'll wait some more |
| 02:36.06 | pjz | cjb: just my experience |
| 02:36.08 | kd8ikt | or the sim isnt seated |
| 02:36.30 | johngay | How long does it take to register if you are IN a faraday cage? |
| 02:36.48 | kd8ikt | infinity |
| 02:36.49 | cjb | johngay: â |
| 02:36.51 | cjb | :) |
| 02:37.21 | spdr_ | if i cant access my contacts i guess thats a good sign the sim isnt seated ? |
| 02:37.21 | Infoport | spdr_ a few minutes, OR may not. If I reboot then, it registers almost instantly. |
| 02:37.58 | kd8ikt | omg i need a big microSDHC |
| 02:38.08 | spdr_ | lets try to reboot, hoping it will boot back up |
| 02:38.12 | spdr_ | :\ |
| 02:38.13 | kd8ikt | 512MB is a tease |
| 02:38.34 | kd8ikt | least it wasnt 128 |
| 02:39.24 | rooly|away | hrm |
| 02:39.25 | rooly|away | ok |
| 02:39.31 | rooly|away | i got ssh working on om20008.8 |
| 02:39.47 | rooly|away | now i need to figure out how to get opkg to get the lock |
| 02:40.19 | SirBob1701 | rooly|away: whaere is the latest asu build? |
| 02:40.49 | kd8ikt | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080806/ |
| 02:41.00 | pjz | spdr_: I had to double reboot to get access to my sim contacts using 2007.2 |
| 02:41.03 | rooly|away | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ |
| 02:41.16 | rooly|away | kd8ikt, any ideas? |
| 02:41.23 | SirBob1701 | is it the qtopia-x11-image-glibc one or jsut qtopia-x11-image-om? |
| 02:41.36 | stevenSn | rooly: Try exitting the package manager (assassin) and wait 5 minutes ( I don't kno wwhy i have to wait 5 minutes, but I do) |
| 02:41.55 | rooly|away | openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02 |
| 02:42.02 | kd8ikt | one that says qtopia |
| 02:42.06 | kd8ikt | =ASU |
| 02:42.09 | nullpuppy | hmm, crap. |
| 02:42.18 | SirBob1701 | kd8ikt: tehy both say qtopia lol |
| 02:42.23 | nullpuppy | getting An error occured, return value: 2 when trying to install python :/ |
| 02:42.44 | kd8ikt | get a .summary or tgz depending if youre gonna flash it or bootfrom sd |
| 02:43.20 | wyze | i have to say, one of the most rediculous things about 2007.2 is that the display lock doesn't ock the display (disabling the touchscreen), which makes the FR unpractical for carrying in a pocket :/ |
| 02:43.25 | kd8ikt | it wouldnt suprise me if they are linked ie the same if you md5sum em |
| 02:43.38 | pjz | wyze: agreed |
| 02:43.52 | wyze | battery = toast ina few hours |
| 02:43.59 | pjz | nods |
| 02:44.26 | spdr_ | thanks for the Info pjz |
| 02:44.48 | spdr_ | damn, its 5:45 am here, bad time to get the damn thing working :\\ |
| 02:46.02 | kd8ikt | i wonder if it would help to add a swap to my sdcard |
| 02:46.31 | tim_abell | sparq, that makes me feel better, it's only 3.46 here |
| 02:46.34 | tim_abell | oops |
| 02:46.37 | tim_abell | spdr_, |
| 02:47.15 | wyze | kd8ikt: i thought about it, but the idea died after recalling all of the sd cards i killed while running swap on my htc's :/ |
| 02:47.40 | nullpuppy | hrm. updated, and now the sms app won't load. bah. |
| 02:47.45 | nullpuppy | tries rebooting again. |
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| 02:49.30 | kd8ikt | dunno why everyones hard up on opkg updating its not like some great new feature is being added each time |
| 02:49.46 | kd8ikt | if it wokrs dont fix it |
| 02:49.53 | nullpuppy | kd8ikt: i do it every few days. |
| 02:49.57 | retracile | has anyone managed to build gpe-sketchbook ? |
| 02:49.59 | spdr_ | hehe tim_abell, where u from ? |
| 02:50.04 | nullpuppy | kd8ikt: well, there are some things that don't work right ;) |
| 02:50.05 | spdr_ | uk ? |
| 02:50.14 | nullpuppy | such as contact list is incomplete |
| 02:50.20 | pjz | bah, no svn in angstrom distro |
| 02:50.41 | SirBob1701 | kd8ikt: what is the repo for the latest asu build so opkg will work? |
| 02:50.52 | nullpuppy | kd8ikt: an actually, waht started this was i was trying to install python, and i couldn't, told me to opkg update, so i did ;) |
| 02:51.23 | retracile | pjz: have you tried 'subversion'? |
| 02:51.31 | kd8ikt | update and upgrade are different |
| 02:51.42 | nullpuppy | nods |
| 02:51.45 | nullpuppy | i know that |
| 02:51.47 | pjz | retracile: looked for it in 'opkg list' but didn't find it |
| 02:52.08 | nullpuppy | ok, has anyone located where sms are actually stored on the phone? ;) |
| 02:52.17 | tim_abell | http://www.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=rg411ll&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16&iwloc=addr |
| 02:52.23 | tim_abell | more or less |
| 02:52.34 | pjz | retracile: nullpuppy they're potentially on your sim card |
| 02:52.39 | pjz | er, oops |
| 02:52.47 | retracile | heh :) |
| 02:52.48 | pjz | nullpuppy: they're potentially on your sim card |
| 02:52.48 | nullpuppy | pjz: hrm, alright |
| 02:53.22 | spdr_ | tim_abell, cool, i used to live in Egham |
| 02:53.44 | tim_abell | and where are you hailing from now? |
| 02:53.58 | SirBob1701 | rooly|away: what is the repo for the latest asu build so opkg will work? |
| 02:54.00 | tim_abell | cos i don't recall egham being in a different timezone |
| 02:54.13 | tim_abell | unless the planet's expanded a bit |
| 02:54.17 | tim_abell | :) |
| 02:55.16 | retracile | pjz: hm. bitbake subversion finds it, but the build fails for me. |
| 02:55.23 | rooly|away | i don't know yet |
| 02:55.26 | rooly|away | i'm working on it SirBob1701 |
| 02:55.33 | spdr_ | tim_abell, i live in Israel now :P |
| 02:55.41 | SirBob1701 | rooly|away: ok anything i can do to give you a hand? |
| 02:55.43 | tim_abell | gosh |
| 02:55.47 | pjz | retracile: is there a libsvn-perl package? |
| 02:55.58 | tim_abell | bit warmer. it's done nothing but rain here today |
| 02:55.59 | rooly|away | erm |
| 02:56.01 | rooly|away | pray? |
| 02:56.04 | SirBob1701 | haha |
| 02:56.07 | rooly|away | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CommunityRepository#How_to_release_packages |
| 02:56.32 | spdr_ | rain? really? in 3 more hours im going to start melting here :0 |
| 02:56.41 | retracile | pjz: not that I see, but that means little more than nothing. ;) |
| 02:56.47 | tim_abell | lol |
| 02:57.27 | tim_abell | yeah, got drenched on my cycle to work this morning. full waterproofs. might as well have gone swimming. cleared up a bit this afternoon |
| 02:58.12 | SirBob1701 | rooly|away: hmm don't think that will help much |
| 02:58.51 | spdr_ | heh, i dont miss that too much :) |
| 02:58.54 | tim_abell | right, i really better hit the sack now. thanks all. it's great to be around at the start of something so exciting. |
| 02:58.58 | pjz | tim_abell: around here you end up swimming in your own sweat if you try to cycle to work |
| 02:59.21 | tim_abell | lol, i'm off to try the mountains in barcelona soon, that should be a bit more like that |
| 02:59.28 | pjz | tim_abell: it's been 39ish lately |
| 02:59.34 | tim_abell | ouch |
| 02:59.57 | tim_abell | where are you pjz? |
| 03:00.09 | pjz | yeah. mornings are only 27-28ish though |
| 03:00.15 | pjz | tim_abell: Austin, Texas |
| 03:00.15 | tim_abell | nuts. 4 hours sleep left |
| 03:00.25 | tim_abell | cool. amazing thing irc |
| 03:00.30 | pjz | nods |
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| 03:00.37 | linuxxr | time to flash |
| 03:00.50 | tim_abell | and not a lulz, leet or troll in sight |
| 03:01.13 | pjz | :LOLZ OMGWTFBBQ |
| 03:01.21 | tim_abell | anyways, have a nice evening / morning / day / night all |
| 03:01.28 | linuxxr | bking bling |
| 03:01.29 | pjz | tim_abell: g'night |
| 03:01.42 | spdr_ | ty, good nigh |
| 03:02.13 | nullpuppy | ah, its segfaulting. awesome. |
| 03:02.38 | spdr_ | lol |
| 03:04.04 | SirBob1701 | rooly|away: try http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/ |
| 03:04.23 | rooly|away | trying it |
| 03:04.35 | SirBob1701 | rooly|away: where is the .conf for opkg? |
| 03:04.42 | rooly|away | /etc/opkg |
| 03:05.12 | pjz | nullpuppy: what's segfaulting? |
| 03:05.19 | nullpuppy | pjz: openmoko-messages |
| 03:05.24 | pjz | nullpuppy: ah |
| 03:05.43 | pjz | nullpuppy: hey you tried to bitbake svn, what failed on you? I just tird and had probs with apr-util |
| 03:07.03 | SirBob1701 | ls |
| 03:07.06 | SirBob1701 | err shit |
| 03:07.19 | nullpuppy | pjz: i haven't in a long while... |
| 03:07.37 | pjz | nullpuppy: oh, thought you'd tried a few mins ago. nevermind :) |
| 03:07.47 | nullpuppy | has been too busy with work crap to actually get anything interesting done, much less play with bitbake |
| 03:07.55 | nullpuppy | nope, i ran opkg update/upgrade |
| 03:08.04 | nullpuppy | and it broke stuff ;) |
| 03:08.11 | nullpuppy | ah well, i live for this stuff. |
| 03:08.32 | nullpuppy | huh |
| 03:08.38 | SirBob1701 | rooly|away: i'm updating now i'll tell you if it screws stuff up |
| 03:09.00 | nullpuppy | got some message from 129 and looks like the contents of said message is cme error: 100 |
| 03:09.03 | nullpuppy | wtf? |
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| 03:10.44 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07specs * r7bc17c4b25b0 10/ophone/ (3 files): Added ophone specs |
| 03:10.46 | spdr_ | is 2008.08 any good ? |
| 03:11.05 | spdr_ | or should i stick with 2007 ? |
| 03:13.38 | rooly|away | not yet, sparq |
| 03:13.41 | rooly|away | spdr_, |
| 03:13.46 | rooly|away | i'm working on making it work |
| 03:13.51 | SirBob1701 | rooly|away: looks to be working for me how about you? |
| 03:13.59 | rooly|away | had to redo all my repo's |
| 03:14.06 | SirBob1701 | o |
| 03:14.16 | spdr_ | :0 |
| 03:14.22 | hipitihop|away | spdr_, depends what you want, I've looked at the Qtopia stack and currently running bleeding edge FSO |
| 03:14.36 | rooly|away | tbh, it looks and runs amazingly |
| 03:15.14 | hipitihop|away | rooly, is that 2008.8 ? how does it compare to fso |
| 03:15.25 | rooly|away | it's beautiful |
| 03:15.27 | rooly|away | the phone works |
| 03:15.30 | pjz | keeps qtopia in flash for actual use and FSOm2 on SD card to do dev on |
| 03:15.30 | rooly|away | ... |
| 03:15.47 | SirBob1701 | mines getting weird menu errors in text editing |
| 03:16.11 | nullpuppy | is there a changelog of sorts anywhere for what changed between 2007.2 and 2008.8? |
| 03:16.19 | hipitihop|away | rooly, more beautiful then FSO ? |
| 03:16.40 | rooly|away | haven't seen fso yet |
| 03:17.01 | SirBob1701 | hipitihop|away: has same wallpaper. which i think is ugly lol |
| 03:17.17 | Infoport | ok, managed to boost the ringer sound in headphones, but not on phone. still no sound to/from Freerunner |
| 03:17.41 | hipitihop|away | SirBob1701, ?? |
| 03:18.11 | SirBob1701 | that under sea shit |
| 03:18.20 | ieatlint | hah, so the current FRs being shipped have the gps hardware fix done by hand... even melted the case slightly |
| 03:18.43 | SirBob1701 | ieatlint: thats gotta be great for sales |
| 03:18.56 | ieatlint | well, it's under the battery |
| 03:18.59 | railer | nice time for a recall |
| 03:19.00 | ieatlint | so not exactly an eye sore |
| 03:19.44 | rooly|away | has already gotten 2 programs "installed" |
| 03:19.44 | Infoport | I wouldnt mind the gsm/SIM hardware fix, although the soft patch seems to do ok too |
| 03:19.58 | hipitihop|away | SirBob1701, aah I see, yes agree... look and feels is very personal and I certainly like the transparency and other goodies in FSO |
| 03:20.32 | railer | haven't tried 2008 yet, but fso II was a bust, qtopia is by far the most mature |
| 03:20.48 | rooly|away | qtopia phone, om2007.2's ease |
| 03:20.52 | Infoport | Help! can anyone tell me where to fix my sound problem? (no sound in calls) |
| 03:20.58 | ieatlint | besides, not sure sales are much of an issue, considering they're sold out with many people trying to buy them |
| 03:21.26 | railer | how many did they make? |
| 03:21.32 | ieatlint | i've no idea |
| 03:21.34 | railer | 500, 50? |
| 03:21.48 | Infoport | my oder number was over 2000 |
| 03:21.54 | Infoport | order number |
| 03:22.05 | hipitihop|away | no offense to anyone here form qtopia but I think the default look is toyish or kiddie, FSO II looks better. But agree that qtopia has more functionality and completeness at this point |
| 03:22.09 | Infoport | and I ordered on July 4th |
| 03:22.13 | ieatlint | yeah, but that doesn'T cover 10 packs which got 1 order number, and the fact that a lot were shipped to resellers |
| 03:22.18 | MadTBone | anyone have good GSM connectivity FSO milestone2? |
| 03:22.39 | ieatlint | odds are the total is in excess of 10k |
| 03:22.58 | hipitihop|away | MadTBone, I've had no problems |
| 03:23.03 | railer | ieatlint myguess <5000 |
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| 03:23.10 | MadTBone | hipitihop|away: which carrier? |
| 03:23.22 | Infoport | oh definitely much more than 2000-- that's prob just how many single order by July4 via openmoko.com |
| 03:23.30 | hipitihop|away | I'm in aus, essentially vodaphone |
| 03:23.47 | rooly|away | my word |
| 03:23.59 | rooly|away | om2008's package manager gui looks beautiful |
| 03:24.21 | undrwater | rooly|away: is there an image? or did you build it yourself? |
| 03:24.22 | hipitihop|away | rooly, have screenshots up anywhere ? |
| 03:24.25 | railer | rooly screen shot that biatch! |
| 03:24.41 | SirBob1701 | rooly|away: what kernel you running? |
| 03:24.54 | MadTBone | hipitihop|away: Is that 900 or 850mHz? |
| 03:25.18 | undrwater | i'm feeling frustratedly excited about this phone |
| 03:25.20 | railer | another big jump of QT a package manager |
| 03:25.29 | rooly|away | SirBob1701, the one from the image repo |
| 03:25.36 | pjz | undrwater: I've been feeling that way since December 2006 |
| 03:26.33 | undrwater | pjz: yes...but now it's in hands...when i saw the software that was on the phone when it shipped, i was a tad disappointed |
| 03:26.46 | Infoport | underwater that is EXACTLY the feeling you keep having for a while (I was so excited for my GPS antenna the post office let me wait for the driver to return to station with my package) |
| 03:26.51 | railer | a tad, yes |
| 03:26.52 | undrwater | looking at the stuff coming down the pike...wow |
| 03:26.55 | pjz | undrwater: dude you had to KNOW that the software was going to bite |
| 03:27.07 | rooly|away | will have to recompile his 3d lib |
| 03:27.39 | undrwater | pjz: i knew it...but i still expected a bit better...once i started messing with it, i got happier |
| 03:27.42 | railer | The FR best Christmas present you can play with NOW! |
| 03:27.44 | Infoport | underwater still I put bunches of apps on my phone just following the Wiki (Getting Started) |
| 03:28.14 | pjz | undrwater: I got happier once I found the angstrom distro and put vim and git directly on my phone |
| 03:28.16 | undrwater | and when the wife caught it in my hands asleep... |
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| 03:28.33 | pjz | ..so I can do python dev straight on the phone now :) |
| 03:28.43 | rooly|away | oh, btw |
| 03:28.45 | Infoport | I have only had to poke around a little that wasn't already covered on the Wiki (needs a little more organizing still) |
| 03:28.57 | undrwater | pjz: i've been playing with angstrom for a while on zaurus...left a sour taste in my mouth...not their fault tho |
| 03:29.02 | rooly|away | om2008's keyboard input kicks the ass out of the matchbox one |
| 03:29.21 | rooly|away | it's comparable to the iphone, except it doesn't press the wrong button as often |
| 03:29.25 | Infoport | rooly how is the 0m2008 keyboard different? |
| 03:29.27 | pjz | undrwater: yeah, I read a little about that |
| 03:29.40 | railer | rooly screens or it didn't happen |
| 03:29.47 | rooly|away | i'm upgrading damnit! |
| 03:29.58 | Infoport | does it predictively make certain keys bigger? |
| 03:30.14 | undrwater | Infoport: wow...that'd be awesome |
| 03:30.24 | pjz | ah well, gnite all |
| 03:30.25 | undrwater | or eliminate unnecessary keys |
| 03:30.28 | rooly|away | when you press on a key, it zooms the key in |
| 03:30.32 | undrwater | night pjz |
| 03:30.42 | rooly|away | and there's enough space between them to use with your fingers if your patient |
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| 03:32.06 | sparq | peers at irssi, peers at tim_abell, wanders off to dinner |
| 03:32.10 | undrwater | rooly|away: is it using exposure? |
| 03:32.17 | SirBob1701 | rooly|away: you using the august 6 or august 5th one? |
| 03:32.18 | rooly|away | yes |
| 03:32.21 | rooly|away | 5th |
| 03:32.24 | Infoport | undrwater: that was one method discussed on the mailing lists, but I dont know if it went anywhere |
| 03:32.27 | rooly|away | but apparently, i'm upgrading the 6th |
| 03:32.33 | SirBob1701 | rooly|away: don't update the 6th is fed up |
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| 03:32.35 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 03:32.38 | SirBob1701 | at least for me |
| 03:33.11 | hipitihop|away | MadTBone, sorry away... I think we are 900 here |
| 03:33.17 | undrwater | Infoport: i can't remember where i saw that before...worked really |
| 03:33.21 | undrwater | ..well |
| 03:33.24 | undrwater | iirc |
| 03:33.28 | Infoport | rooly enough space for FINGERS? wow! matchbox barely has enough for a stylus |
| 03:33.53 | SirBob1701 | i miss the dictonary lookup asu had at begining of july |
| 03:34.24 | undrwater | is waiting for calendar sync and book reader to ditch treo |
| 03:34.45 | undrwater | hmm...it would be nice if the phone worked too |
| 03:35.12 | rooly|away | Infoport, if you are patient |
| 03:35.19 | undrwater | so one of the images had numpty physics... |
| 03:35.26 | undrwater | i'd never seen that game before |
| 03:35.37 | rooly|away | oh |
| 03:35.41 | rooly|away | and the phone part works |
| 03:35.42 | hipitihop|away | I really like the keyboard in fso, looks small but perfectly usable with fingers |
| 03:35.43 | rooly|away | did i mention that |
| 03:36.11 | rooly|away | you can actually hear |
| 03:36.13 | undrwater | hipitihop|away: i think it's the same one...where you have options for default | numbers | and console? |
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| 03:37.10 | Infoport | if I could hear phone again, that *would* be a bonus! |
| 03:37.25 | rooly|away | suggest to not update until thursday |
| 03:37.29 | rooly|away | *friday |
| 03:37.48 | daMaestro | blah |
| 03:37.51 | Infoport | The Wiki mentions a "Debug Tool" with "Sound Profiles", but I don't see it in applications...anybody know what to call it for an install? |
| 03:37.54 | daMaestro | so yeah, my phone wont charge |
| 03:38.00 | rooly|away | aww, daMaestro |
| 03:38.01 | daMaestro | i need to buy another battery i suppose |
| 03:38.03 | rooly|away | usb? |
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| 03:38.14 | daMaestro | rooly|away, even using the shipped AC charger |
| 03:38.18 | rooly|away | ic |
| 03:38.20 | rooly|away | battery |
| 03:38.22 | rooly|away | or socket |
| 03:38.22 | daMaestro | it boots with it plugged in |
| 03:38.29 | daMaestro | but wont charge |
| 03:38.36 | daMaestro | which is really, really lame |
| 03:38.41 | rooly|away | agreed |
| 03:38.47 | Infoport | daMaestro the "spares kit" gives you two more batteries |
| 03:38.57 | daMaestro | yeah, well... seeing as how this hardware is brand new |
| 03:38.58 | rooly|away | bought a car socket the other day and burnt his car's power port fuse |
| 03:39.02 | daMaestro | it's still lame |
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| 03:39.15 | daMaestro | it's sat on my desk for weeks |
| 03:39.19 | ozzloy | where is the page with suggested bluetooth keyboards? |
| 03:39.27 | daMaestro | and then *bam* it refuses to charge |
| 03:39.39 | Infoport | daMaestro, my charging INDICATOR often just shows the bolt-symbol while charging, until I plug/unplug again or something |
| 03:39.42 | rooly|away | daMaestro, how long have you had this!? |
| 03:39.54 | daMaestro | rooly|away, it's the freerunner |
| 03:40.00 | rooly|away | mm hmm? |
| 03:40.02 | daMaestro | i just have not had time to work with it |
| 03:40.03 | hipitihop|away | undrwater, yes and terminal .. with that zoom feature if you hover/hold on a key |
| 03:40.13 | rooly|away | omfg |
| 03:40.15 | rooly|away | the news is on |
| 03:40.32 | rooly|away | doctors want parents to moniter their children's cholesterol |
| 03:40.36 | rooly|away | ... |
| 03:40.55 | undrwater | monitor their mcdonald's intake |
| 03:41.08 | daMaestro | gets annoyed and considers being mean to mickey_away |
| 03:41.24 | Infoport | daMaestro, one issue is that it only charges med. or fast ONCE it recognizes the right charger/host USB, so if it is completely de-charged it takes a long time until it can boot and charge faster |
| 03:41.38 | daMaestro | Infoport, no. it does not charge at all |
| 03:41.43 | daMaestro | Infoport, something is wrong. |
| 03:41.55 | rooly|away | someone piped out a script to check out battery specs |
| 03:41.58 | rooly|away | i forget |
| 03:42.15 | daMaestro | Infoport, i left it for an entire day (two nights, even) and it's still fully discharged |
| 03:42.18 | hipitihop|away | rooly, got those screen shots of 2008 up yet ? |
| 03:42.23 | rooly|away | nope |
| 03:42.24 | rooly|away | upgrading |
| 03:42.31 | daMaestro | (charging via the shipped AC) |
| 03:42.51 | Infoport | daMaestro sounds bad, although I thought they couldn't boot without a battery charge? |
| 03:43.44 | undrwater | daMaestro: have you posted to the lists? |
| 03:44.37 | Infoport | would anybody mind sending me their alsa .state files from /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ ? I must have messed up some setting and saved it |
| 03:45.38 | daMaestro | undrwater, no, not yet |
| 03:46.11 | undrwater | daMaestro: for something like that, that's where i'd go... |
| 03:46.20 | rooly|away | get this |
| 03:46.22 | spdr_ | did u boot and then plug the charger in? |
| 03:46.38 | rooly|away | one presidential candidate wants to increase the energy infrastructure |
| 03:46.40 | marlinnhag_ | I was at linux world today and a guy showed me how to change my distro to FSO (which I want to do) But I cant figure out how to "ssh" into the phone...) |
| 03:46.45 | rooly|away | one presidenttial candidate wants to give people money |
| 03:46.47 | daMaestro | so, when charging the led flashes, yes? |
| 03:46.49 | rooly|away | which is which |
| 03:47.26 | spdr_ | marlinnhag_, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 03:48.24 | Infoport | marlin once plugged up, you "ssh root@192.168.0.202" and there is a wiki page...not fast enough, look at spdr post |
| 03:48.35 | linuxxr | i did all that then i borked the /etc/who/knows wat i did |
| 03:49.32 | daMaestro | oddly, when i take the AC charger out... it lasts for about 15 seconds |
| 03:49.44 | linuxxr | thats abad batt |
| 03:50.11 | linuxxr | some nokias have that battery |
| 03:50.14 | daMaestro | demands mickey_away ships him a new battery now |
| 03:50.18 | daMaestro | now, damnit. |
| 03:50.19 | daMaestro | ;-) |
| 03:50.35 | Infoport | daMaestro I would contact retailer before your DOA time expires (or before they arent nice about it) |
| 03:50.49 | daMaestro | Infoport, i bought it directly |
| 03:50.54 | daMaestro | as i did with the neo1973 |
| 03:51.03 | daMaestro | which, sadly, i just shipped off to another fedora developer |
| 03:51.09 | daMaestro | so i don't have my old bat. |
| 03:51.16 | linuxxr | just get another 1 a ahhhhh |
| 03:51.18 | kd8ikt | daMaestro: whats wrong batt wont charge? |
| 03:51.30 | daMaestro | kd8ikt, just wont charge |
| 03:51.33 | kd8ikt | super dead beyond charge state? |
| 03:51.36 | undrwater | daMaestro: know anyone with a debug board? |
| 03:51.41 | Infoport | daMaestro then Openmoko.com is the retailer right? You get 2 extra FIC batteries with the "spares kit" |
| 03:51.43 | daMaestro | undrwater, not close |
| 03:51.51 | daMaestro | Infoport, link? |
| 03:51.56 | kd8ikt | cause i heard you can boost it back up again |
| 03:52.12 | daMaestro | ah, there it is |
| 03:52.15 | SirBob1701 | rooly|away: did that repo work for you? |
| 03:52.18 | linuxxr | its a bad battery |
| 03:52.29 | daMaestro | kd8ikt, i'm considering just getting the debug board and more batteris |
| 03:52.32 | daMaestro | batteries |
| 03:53.14 | Infoport | http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/spares-pack for $49, and you get 2 batteries, cool pouch, headset and extra rubber earpieces |
| 03:53.22 | daMaestro | geeeze that is another 150 though |
| 03:53.30 | kd8ikt | cause i was under the assumpyion you could boot with usb and then throw the batt in and it will charge |
| 03:53.54 | daMaestro | kd8ikt, welllll... right now i can't boot |
| 03:54.00 | daMaestro | that is part of the issue |
| 03:54.11 | daMaestro | i can't even cu in and enable fast charge mode |
| 03:54.22 | kd8ikt | have any friends with nokia phones? |
| 03:54.34 | daMaestro | nope |
| 03:54.45 | kd8ikt | has like 2 nokia batts from previous phones that work fine in my moko |
| 03:54.48 | Infoport | daMaestro I have the debug board, but havent needed it yet (havent flashed NOR, and kept batt. charged) |
| 03:54.57 | marlinnhag_ | Haha thanks!!! I am sure I will need future help in the flashing of FSO |
| 03:55.09 | kd8ikt | goto a bar and find a nokia user daMaestro |
| 03:55.25 | daMaestro | kd8ikt, lol |
| 03:55.34 | kd8ikt | knock door to door instead of asking for sugar ask if they have a nokia |
| 03:55.51 | kd8ikt | but you see... im DEAD FUCKING SERIOUS |
| 03:55.59 | spdr_ | daMaestro, try plugging the moko into the usb while no batt' inside, then the red led should flash, and then put the battery back in |
| 03:56.42 | Infoport | now OM needs a stand-alone charger for the extra batteries |
| 03:57.10 | rwhitby | uses a third-party charger for nokia batteries - picked it up for $5. |
| 03:57.31 | rwhitby | note that recent nokia phones won't charge non-nokia batteries |
| 03:57.40 | Infoport | rwhitby do you have a charger name I can search on eBay, etc? |
| 03:57.49 | kd8ikt | yeah the nokias i have wont charge my freerunner battery or even power up with it considering its all the same (some propreitary crap and battery serial number) |
| 03:57.57 | daMaestro | should i be able to turn on the freerunner with no battery in, while it's plugged into the AC? |
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| 03:58.09 | kd8ikt | i think so daMaestro |
| 03:58.10 | rwhitby | Infoport: just look for one that will charge a nokia bl5c battery |
| 03:58.13 | daMaestro | gah |
| 03:58.16 | rwhitby | (it's at work, so I can't check it) |
| 03:58.16 | daMaestro | well.. i can't |
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| 03:58.28 | spdr_ | did u try what i said with the usb ? |
| 03:58.33 | spdr_ | it worked for me daMaestro |
| 03:58.36 | marlinnhag_ | Thanks Spydr... That worked.. except when I connect to the phone I loose my internet connection. |
| 03:58.41 | rwhitby | daMaestro: nope, it needs battery in to boot |
| 03:58.42 | daMaestro | spdr_, the led didn't flash |
| 03:58.54 | Infoport | rwhitby that still helps! I'll search for "bl5c" |
| 03:59.17 | spdr_ | marlinnhag_, try giving it a different ip |
| 03:59.22 | daMaestro | spdr_, the led flashed once when i put the battery in |
| 03:59.28 | marlinnhag_ | The phone? |
| 03:59.31 | MadTBone | hmm....I get no GSM w/ FSO milestone 2 |
| 04:00.18 | spdr_ | perhaps netmask, as noted on the wiki |
| 04:01.03 | spdr_ | marlinnhag_, no internet on the linux host or no internet on the phone ? |
| 04:01.49 | marlinnhag_ | On my linux Desktop... Ilook at the network manager and it only allows me to connect one or the other... |
| 04:02.10 | hipitihop|away | MadTBone, I'm running later then ms2 so not sure if that makes a difference. I found we sometimes have to run the zphone manually of the home screen before it registers |
| 04:02.12 | daMaestro | just ordered a spares pack |
| 04:02.20 | daMaestro | skipped the debug board for now |
| 04:02.58 | spdr_ | marlinnhag_, if you stay connected to the internet network connection, and try ssh into the phone, wont that work ? |
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| 04:03.16 | spdr_ | no need for the network-manager gui |
| 04:03.18 | daMaestro | does the led continue to flash if the device is properly charging? |
| 04:03.28 | jadams | is anyone running SHR on a Neo? |
| 04:03.46 | spdr_ | daMaestro, beats me, just got the device yesterday, got it working a few hours ago :\ |
| 04:04.01 | SirBob1701 | are there even any shr releases? |
| 04:04.30 | Infoport | wiki says nor SHR releases yet, only in someone's imagination |
| 04:05.09 | jadams | ahh |
| 04:05.25 | MadTBone | hipitihop|away: is that a self built image, then... or is there a download available? |
| 04:05.25 | ieatlint | the only thing you can trust the wiki on is hardware specs... a lot of it is outdated... sometimes severely |
| 04:05.38 | ieatlint | but no, there are no SHR releases... :P |
| 04:05.39 | marlinnhag_ | Got IT !! thank you |
| 04:05.55 | marlinnhag_ | Can you point me to the wiki that will tell me how to install FSO? |
| 04:05.58 | Infoport | hipitihop, is "Zphone" the encrypted comm. program from Phil Zimmerman?? I'd LOVE to see that ported |
| 04:06.09 | jadams | how about this: anyone using ruby / dbus on the device? Alternatively, any idea how FXRuby would work on it? |
| 04:06.32 | jadams | Zphone on Zhone? :) |
| 04:06.49 | hipitihop|away | MadTBone, download .. link was provide kd8ikt the other day, standby, looking for link |
| 04:07.17 | spdr_ | marlinnhag_, no problem, just be sure to install a dns server (bind9) so the phone can resolve addresses with it |
| 04:07.25 | spdr_ | was the easiest solution for me ^ |
| 04:07.27 | MadTBone | jadams and Infoport: I think he meant zhone |
| 04:07.41 | jadams | MadTBone, I was just going with it :) |
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| 04:08.09 | Infoport | please, could someone send me the .state files so I can see what I borked? i.e. gsmheadset.state, gsmhandset.state, etc from /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ |
| 04:08.17 | marlinnhag_ | ???? you just lost me... dns server bind9??? I pretty new and probably shouldnt even be attempting to use this phone but I enjoy tinkering... |
| 04:08.51 | hipitihop|away | Infoport, not sure what it is, it is just how it is reported in the pull down curtain ZPhone |
| 04:09.13 | marlinnhag_ | The guy at Linux world flashed a phone from 2007.2 to FSO in front of me in like 10 minutes. He made it look pretty simple. |
| 04:10.00 | spdr_ | marlinnhag_, this is the link to the FSO flashing: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO |
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| 04:10.13 | spdr_ | marlinnhag_, what distro of linux are u using ? |
| 04:10.18 | Infoport | MadTBone, ok... I am just anxious to see ZPhone from Zimmerman (PGP fame) to actually become widespread, such as on an open phone |
| 04:10.43 | hipitihop|away | marlinnhag_, yes it is that simple ... although it took us 4 hours and a lot of help from this channel my first time ;-) |
| 04:10.54 | marlinnhag_ | Ubuntu (older version 7.04) |
| 04:11.10 | ieatlint | marlinnhag_, hi |
| 04:11.13 | ieatlint | that was me |
| 04:11.17 | Infoport | marlinnhag, it depends on if you want to preserve anything. it IS simple to flash the phone, and a little more complicated to install to SD |
| 04:11.43 | marlinnhag_ | LOL |
| 04:11.51 | marlinnhag_ | I figured you surface |
| 04:11.53 | spdr_ | marlinnhag_, from the ssh (from the phone) try ping google.com |
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| 04:12.17 | spdr_ | if it cant ping, then on the linux host open a root shell and type in: apt-get install bind9 |
| 04:12.30 | spdr_ | should do the job |
| 04:12.36 | ieatlint | well, i'm afraid i'm meeting someone for a late dinner |
| 04:12.38 | marlinnhag_ | ping: bad address 'google.com' |
| 04:12.50 | ieatlint | but i might be able to give you a hand when i get back... but i'm often enough on this channel |
| 04:12.58 | ieatlint | and will be at linuxworl again tomorrow (and thursday) |
| 04:12.58 | marlinnhag_ | No worries Ieatlint... Ill probably see you tomorrow.. |
| 04:13.14 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07specs * re37a72d39bd4 10/opreferences/ (3 files): Added opreferences specs |
| 04:13.19 | spdr_ | so as i said, on the linux host, from a root shell: qpt-get install bind9 |
| 04:13.24 | spdr_ | apt-get* |
| 04:14.14 | Infoport | marlin it could be the nameserver...try ping 74.125.19.147 (from USB Networking on Wiki, a Google address) |
| 04:15.11 | aggtrfrad | can u recommend a stable asu? |
| 04:15.43 | spdr_ | Infoport, it is, thats why i told him to install bind9 and save time on ugly hacks :0 |
| 04:16.21 | spdr_ | while upgrading |
| 04:16.24 | spdr_ | "Restarting Dropbear SSH server: Connection to 192.168.0.202 closed by remote host." |
| 04:16.47 | spdr_ | never mind |
| 04:17.07 | aggtrfrad | why install dns? try setting as nameserver your router, if your router doesnot responed to other subnetworks, set directly your isp's dns server |
| 04:17.47 | nullpuppy | hmm, interesting... |
| 04:17.52 | Infoport | marlinnhag once I was connected, the standard instructions made the nameserver keep changing back to wrong. I changed the /etc/network/interfaces on my host computer to echo my router's IP for the usb0 setup |
| 04:17.55 | nullpuppy | anyone have a list of the opkg feeds that work? |
| 04:17.59 | nullpuppy | mine are all fubar... |
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| 04:19.38 | Infoport | no wait, maybe it is set somewhere else...one of the files was using the 192.168.0.200 of my host, and I just changed it to my servers IP |
| 04:19.51 | nullpuppy | currently has http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed// ... in all the feed files.. |
| 04:20.07 | baird | dbmoodb_: something I found that's a recipe for cross-compiling and building packages: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/3 |
| 04:20.14 | marlinnhag_ | Ok I installed bind9... NOw should I jsut follw the Wikis Steps??? |
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| 04:20.34 | spdr_ | check u can ping google, you should be able to |
| 04:20.39 | spdr_ | and yeah i guess thats it :S |
| 04:20.48 | spdr_ | "Cannot find package kernel-module-g-ether." - is that normal ? |
| 04:21.06 | marlinnhag_ | PING google.com (64.233.167.99): 56 data bytes |
| 04:21.28 | spdr_ | marlinnhag_, good :) |
| 04:21.52 | rwhitby | ah, good. jOERG_rw made the schematics location public :-) |
| 04:21.58 | Infoport | spdr WHOOPS! I just found that error today in the middle of Getting Started...how to update. It says to install before you reboot or lose USB connectivity (but I didnt notice before today and rebooted a bunch) |
| 04:23.11 | marlinnhag_ | so now am I good to go? |
| 04:23.22 | spdr_ | Infoport, umm, so how fucked am i? :0 |
| 04:23.33 | spdr_ | marlinnhag_, yeah |
| 04:24.10 | Infoport | spdr I didn't notice that until today, so it must have not bitten me in the 3-4 days before I say the warning. You might just reboot, or you might have to use another computer to put the files onto SD and install from there |
| 04:24.24 | Infoport | before I saw the warning |
| 04:25.05 | spdr_ | oh well, here goes nothing |
| 04:25.49 | Infoport | spdr_ it freaked me out when I read it today, but the list thread it references starts Aug2. I installed the modules before I rebooted right then (but I've rebooted daily before) |
| 04:27.13 | rooly|away | w00t |
| 04:27.22 | rooly|away | done upgrading |
| 04:27.28 | rooly|away | gonna try to make screenshots now |
| 04:27.35 | spdr_ | 2008.08 ? |
| 04:27.58 | rooly|away | mm hmm |
| 04:28.00 | rooly|away | damn |
| 04:28.05 | rooly|away | stupid iso error |
| 04:28.09 | kd8ikt | ln -s libc.so.6 /lib/libc.so |
| 04:28.13 | kd8ikt | that fixes it rooly|away |
| 04:28.16 | rooly|away | kk |
| 04:29.00 | kd8ikt | do me a fav and drop the away nick |
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| 04:30.03 | spdr_ | any reason why it wont boot after the upgrade ? |
| 04:30.06 | kd8ikt | ... howmanny friggen irc client you have over there |
| 04:30.07 | rooly | making uploads now |
| 04:30.10 | rooly | go look! |
| 04:30.15 | spdr_ | stuck at the logo |
| 04:30.36 | mmaestri | rooly: link? |
| 04:30.41 | rooly | scap.linuxtogo.org |
| 04:30.43 | kd8ikt | kernel is probably missing spdr_ try boot option from uboot |
| 04:30.51 | kd8ikt | see what it errors |
| 04:30.58 | rooly | rebooting it |
| 04:31.02 | marlinnhag_ | hmm.... ieatlint deffinitely went through a different process than what ever stuff is listed on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO he was using something like dfutil and ubooot???? Is this the script I put in and I am done apt-get install ccache sed wget cvs subversion git-core monotone coreutils \ |
| 04:31.02 | marlinnhag_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:31.33 | Infoport | spdr_ the warning on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Update_with_the_package_manager is just about kernel modules you have to install for networking over USB (unless they fixed it already??) |
| 04:31.52 | spdr_ | hopes they did |
| 04:32.13 | spdr_ | okay phone loaded .. kinda slower? |
| 04:32.28 | spdr_ | registering also seems kinda slower :\ |
| 04:32.47 | spdr_ | can i opkg downgrade? :( |
| 04:32.59 | hipitihop_ | MadTBone, sorry for the delay, here is the link http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973 |
| 04:34.07 | rooly | hmm |
| 04:34.11 | rooly | the phone is a good bit slower |
| 04:34.13 | feydreva | spdr_, yes there is a way to downgrade.. but I do not remmember it... look at the mailing list or wiki... |
| 04:34.15 | rooly | after upgrade |
| 04:34.30 | feydreva | rooly, what did you upgrade too ? |
| 04:34.36 | hipitihop_ | MadTBone, I assume you are GTA02 so pay attention. I used the Aug 04 jffs.summary but have opkg update/upgrade since |
| 04:34.37 | rooly | i just hit opkg upgrade |
| 04:34.42 | rooly | there we go |
| 04:35.24 | spdr_ | gr8, no USB networking |
| 04:35.53 | feydreva | it s strnage... with the latest kernel.. it seems the USB netowrk is slow ? did you notice anything ? |
| 04:36.04 | feydreva | I notoced it while doing okpg update... |
| 04:36.19 | spdr_ | oh, its okay! |
| 04:36.27 | spdr_ | just not registering my sim :S |
| 04:37.16 | feydreva | hum |
| 04:37.29 | feydreva | buildhost made some new image :) seems to be the ASU... (i hope.. |
| 04:37.32 | feydreva | I will try that |
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| 04:39.30 | Infoport | spdr_ glad to hear! I installed those kernel modules to be safe, but OM must have done something else too so it wouldnt bork |
| 04:39.55 | rooly | no really |
| 04:40.01 | rooly | the phone is going really really slow |
| 04:40.17 | hipitihop_ | MadTBone, still there ? |
| 04:40.57 | rooly | hrm |
| 04:41.21 | rooly | http://rafb.net/p/92Tcwy61.html |
| 04:41.27 | rooly | anyone see anything wrong with that? |
| 04:41.45 | MadTBone | hipitihop_: yep....thanks for the link...browsing it now |
| 04:42.02 | MadTBone | hipitihop_: I did manage to get GSM w/ FSO ms2 .... |
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| 04:42.21 | MadTBone | hipitihop_: had to exit zhone and restart manually as you said |
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| 04:42.48 | spdr_ | Infoport, for some reason i cant resolve hostnames but can ping ip's, any idea ? |
| 04:43.01 | hipitihop_ | MadTBone, ok...I also flashed the latest kernel bin from bottom of same link |
| 04:43.09 | spdr_ | using my linux host as nameserver, with bind |
| 04:44.46 | MadTBone | hipitihop_: do you ever get what seems to be a hang caused by zhone... sometimes zhone doesn't load, and when I try to launch an app from home I get nothing... tried top via ssh, but nothing seems to be eating cpu cycles... |
| 04:45.11 | rooly | wtf |
| 04:46.02 | rooly | it won't put the installer on my desktop |
| 04:46.02 | hipitihop_ | MadTBone, sure, occasionaly manage to crash the UI leaving me at terminal login prompt and no keyboard ;-) |
| 04:46.19 | feydreva | hm..... since 3 days... my gos cannot get any fix..... is it the same to you with one of the new kernel ? |
| 04:46.27 | Infoport | spdr_ I use my router's local IP as nameserver. the instructions have you edit /etc/network/interfaces ON THE PHONE, and it echoes it in new every connection (so change it here too if you like it) |
| 04:46.29 | MadTBone | hipitihop_: ha! never managed to do that! |
| 04:46.40 | hipitihop_ | MadTBone, usually trying to fiddle with the clock applet though, so had to resot to setting time/date using terminal window |
| 04:46.55 | hipitihop_ | resot = resort |
| 04:47.31 | baird | Hmm. USB DFU doesn't provide a block-checksum facility, or some other way to accelerate updates by checking what areas of the firmware has changed.. |
| 04:47.39 | spdr_ | should have been able to resolve anyways |
| 04:47.49 | spdr_ | but i'll give it a try |
| 04:48.08 | hipitihop_ | MadTBone, anyways good luck, I need to get some work done |
| 04:48.22 | rooly | no, seriously |
| 04:48.24 | rooly | wtf! |
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| 04:49.05 | MadTBone | hipitihop_: later. I need to turn in. |
| 04:49.21 | railer | WTF counter 515 ..... |
| 04:49.53 | undrwater | when did that counter start? |
| 04:50.13 | railer | today :) |
| 04:50.16 | Infoport | is there a GOOD copy of gsmhandset.state, etc out there anywhere? I get no/extremely low sound on all calls |
| 04:51.11 | railer | IT's not called the openmoko Neo any more now it's the openmoko WTF! |
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| 04:53.38 | Torikun | Hello |
| 04:53.44 | Torikun | can anyone help me connect to my wireless router? |
| 04:53.47 | Torikun | I tried the wiki |
| 04:53.49 | Torikun | no luck |
| 04:54.16 | undrwater | tell us about your router |
| 04:54.21 | undrwater | how you're connecting |
| 04:54.25 | Torikun | iwconfig |
| 04:54.40 | feydreva | hum did you try using lint-wifi or wifi-radar ? |
| 04:54.50 | Torikun | does it come with the firmware? |
| 04:55.00 | Torikun | i need to download it i thought |
| 04:55.09 | undrwater | hahah...you can download it and copy it over using usb |
| 04:55.24 | Torikun | wow how |
| 04:55.24 | Torikun | lol |
| 04:55.31 | Torikun | that will save me so much trouble |
| 04:56.00 | undrwater | then opkg install lint-wifi<something>.ipk |
| 04:56.51 | feydreva | use : http://paste.uni.cc/19214 for your okpg, and do opkg update opkg install wifi-radar |
| 04:57.06 | feydreva | and use wifi-radar to detect your wireless network and connect to it |
| 05:00.02 | ozzloy | where is the page with suggested bluetooth keyboards? |
| 05:00.23 | Torikun | laptop not seeing open moko as usb when choosing usb from boot menu |
| 05:00.56 | feydreva | ???? |
| 05:01.16 | feydreva | i never used this option from the boot menu... why would you used it ? |
| 05:01.31 | Torikun | how can I copy stuff to the open moko |
| 05:01.33 | feydreva | Anybody has the link to the 2008 version ? |
| 05:01.53 | feydreva | Torikun, boot normally, plug the USB plug, and use scp and ssh... |
| 05:02.03 | feydreva | look at the wiki, getting started.. it s all explain... |
| 05:02.05 | Torikun | it will have an ip address? |
| 05:02.09 | feydreva | yes |
| 05:02.17 | feydreva | wiki, getting started... |
| 05:02.32 | Torikun | nat is only for outbout access then ? |
| 05:02.48 | rooly | w00t |
| 05:02.51 | rooly | got the app installer working |
| 05:03.41 | feydreva | Torikun, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner for the basic USB communicatio.n |
| 05:04.00 | spdr_ | "An error ocurred, return value: 2." - with any opkg install i do, any idea why? |
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| 05:05.28 | feydreva | spdr_ look at what is inside a file of /etc/opkg |
| 05:05.47 | feydreva | more /etc/opkg/* |
| 05:06.06 | feydreva | cehck that you ave the openmoko buildhost.. and not somthing else.. |
| 05:06.17 | spdr_ | heh just noticed, but why did they replace all the sources ? |
| 05:06.39 | feydreva | it s a "bug" |
| 05:07.00 | feydreva | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.33 | spdr_ | thanks |
| 05:11.05 | Torikun | dam I have to hack the kernel just to get masqerading working |
| 05:11.11 | Torikun | lol any easier way to copy the file to the phone |
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| 05:16.07 | Torikun | iI think i am doing something wrong |
| 05:17.50 | Torikun | iptables cant initalize iptables table nat |
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| 05:19.07 | ieatlint | for those wondering, if you get a y-usb cable, you can charge the FR on your computer using 1A |
| 05:19.17 | spdr_ | still getting an error |
| 05:19.21 | ieatlint | (you must however explicitly tell the FR to do so) |
| 05:19.24 | spdr_ | only thing i didnt change was fic-gta02-feed.conf |
| 05:20.10 | rooly | uploading another pic to http://scap.linuxtogo.org |
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| 05:21.11 | Torikun | anyone goo with usb networking on open moko |
| 05:21.38 | feydreva | rooly, is that SS from the rootfs of today ? |
| 05:21.51 | rooly | yesterday |
| 05:22.03 | rooly | but for some reason, my keyboard is messed up |
| 05:22.04 | Infoport | ieatlint what is that about a y-cable? is that so you can use a USB keyboard too? and WHERE do you buy the keyboard? (Oxford Archeology had ones made with mini-USB, but the regular ones DONT have a mini plug |
| 05:22.06 | feydreva | ok |
| 05:22.38 | feydreva | rooly, yesterday rootfs was for gt01.. the one of today is for gt02. |
| 05:22.43 | spdr_ | anyonw know what i need in fic-gta02-feed.conf ? |
| 05:22.55 | rooly | it was the gta02 one |
| 05:22.55 | ieatlint | Infoport, you really jumped to conclusions there |
| 05:22.56 | zash | Infoport: miniUSB-b-male to usb-a-female |
| 05:23.02 | feydreva | spdr_, what I gave you should be ok... |
| 05:23.05 | rooly | has to go to bed |
| 05:23.06 | rooly | nn |
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| 05:23.25 | spdr_ | feydreva, there was some lines there that were the same |
| 05:23.27 | feydreva | depends what time zone you are I guess... |
| 05:23.38 | ieatlint | and yeah, what zash says... but no, the extra connector on the y cable is solely for power, not data |
| 05:23.43 | feydreva | spdr_, so it should work.. do a opkg update |
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| 05:23.53 | ieatlint | you can pull 500mA per usb port, so it uses two to get the 1A |
| 05:24.01 | spdr_ | the same like http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta02/Packages.gz |
| 05:24.08 | feydreva | if it gives you a -2 error, that mean you do not have any conection, or that the package do not exist |
| 05:24.16 | ieatlint | and they're sold with and for external hdd enclosures for 2.5" drives |
| 05:24.22 | feydreva | my-distribution is a fake adress.. remove thoses lines |
| 05:24.23 | undrwater | yep... |
| 05:25.01 | spdr_ | feydreva, i know, but they are also in the link u gave me :S |
| 05:25.18 | spdr_ | connection is okay, and the files well, are from the wiki |
| 05:25.58 | feydreva | http://paste.uni.cc/19214 hum.. yeah I jsut check,. there is one I need to rremove.. but anyway. with theses one.. I could install and upgrade without issue |
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| 05:28.01 | ieatlint | did anyone ever make those jump to conclusions mats? or is there still time for me to get rich, quick? |
| 05:28.48 | undrwater | get rich |
| 05:29.02 | feydreva | rooly, I installed the image of today... when I go to exposure, clock, alarm.. there is a "back" button at the bottom.. I click on it.. but it jsut remove the bottom bar.. but nor close the clock window... same if I go on the top bar, and do remove... the clock windows doesn;t go away.., bug ? |
| 05:29.31 | rooly | feydreva, you've gotta fight with that bottom bar |
| 05:29.40 | feydreva | lol... |
| 05:29.50 | rooly | it works sometimes |
| 05:29.56 | feydreva | so far I haven;t succeed to close the clock.... |
| 05:30.12 | rooly | you sure the bar->remove doesn't work? |
| 05:30.40 | Infoport | ieatlint i'm jumping without a net :-D that was where I saw use for the y-cable before, but havent been able to find the keyboard with miniplug |
| 05:31.29 | feydreva | rooly, yep I m sure the remove works for the other.. but not for the clock menu... |
| 05:31.31 | undrwater | does /etc/network/interfaces have a fallback statement? |
| 05:31.55 | undrwater | fallback_eth0 192.168.1.5...something like that? |
| 05:31.59 | ieatlint | Infoport, your real best bet, is to get a powered usb hub (or modify a usb hub to tack on a battery) |
| 05:32.19 | ieatlint | then just use your regular usb cable for plugging into the phone to hookup to the usb hub |
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| 05:35.07 | feydreva | rooly, with the new image, you need to install the kernel module to get the usb connection to work ? |
| 05:35.20 | rooly | not i |
| 05:35.42 | rooly | gotta use a script from the wiki... |
| 05:35.52 | feydreva | hum i have no usb connection with this new imag... |
| 05:35.55 | feydreva | link ? |
| 05:36.18 | rooly | http://rafb.net/p/o5mI2S24.html |
| 05:36.29 | rooly | use that pc side |
| 05:36.38 | feydreva | ok |
| 05:36.41 | feydreva | i will try that |
| 05:36.55 | undrwater | having the same problem...thanks |
| 05:37.15 | rooly | that should allow you to usb in |
| 05:37.57 | rooly | ok |
| 05:37.59 | undrwater | good...cause there's no terminal in the image i have |
| 05:37.59 | rooly | oh, btw |
| 05:38.05 | rooly | i know |
| 05:38.07 | rooly | it's a pain |
| 05:38.10 | rooly | sighs |
| 05:38.14 | rooly | oh, btw |
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| 05:38.29 | rooly | if you hit opkg upgrade, you'll need to re-install illume-theme |
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| 05:38.51 | rooly | ok |
| 05:38.53 | rooly | bed time |
| 05:38.56 | rooly | i have to be up early tomorrow |
| 05:39.00 | undrwater | night rooly |
| 05:39.42 | undrwater | grr...that doesn't help me...i don't get usb0 |
| 05:41.31 | feydreva | rooly, hum the script didn;t work :/ |
| 05:41.36 | feydreva | rooly, good night... |
| 05:43.24 | feydreva | undrwater, you use one of the last roofs ? |
| 05:43.54 | Infoport | ieatlint I still lust for the roll-up rubber keyboard with mini-plug, which Oxford Archeology got made special. I haven't even been able to find a computer/electronics store local that has an adapter for female A-usb to male mini-B |
| 05:44.12 | feydreva | hum |
| 05:44.17 | feydreva | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:44.20 | feydreva | avec the install |
| 05:44.24 | Infoport | ieatlit the regular Duraflex keyboards get the big plug :-( |
| 05:44.30 | ieatlint | so buy one with the regular type a connector, cut it off, and put a mini on |
| 05:44.36 | spdr_ | any irc client for the moko yet ? |
| 05:44.43 | undrwater | feydreva: yes |
| 05:44.54 | feydreva | I used the scritp rooly gave |
| 05:44.57 | undrwater | spdr_: i was using irssi |
| 05:45.00 | feydreva | and did a reboot |
| 05:45.06 | feydreva | and now I have the connection working |
| 05:45.13 | Infoport | ieatlint DIY! why didn't I think of that! |
| 05:45.16 | undrwater | ahhh...hmmm...i'll try then |
| 05:45.33 | feydreva | reboot of the FR... |
| 05:45.36 | feydreva | not the PC |
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| 05:46.02 | undrwater | oh...ok |
| 05:46.12 | undrwater | so you had it connected first, then rebooted? |
| 05:46.21 | hipitihop_ | anyone here using fso II or better ? |
| 05:46.50 | ieatlint | Infoport, have fun... :) |
| 05:46.53 | ieatlint | goodnight |
| 05:47.04 | cjb | hipitihop_: yes |
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| 05:48.54 | hipitihop_ | cjb, is there something I can install to use as an alarm gadget ? |
| 05:49.00 | cjb | hm, dunno |
| 05:49.37 | hipitihop_ | have you managed to get bluetooth to work in calls ? I had no problem getting a pairing but nothing more |
| 05:51.01 | cjb | haven't tried :) |
| 05:51.09 | cjb | is just using it for calls and GPS |
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| 05:52.42 | hipitihop_ | goes off to get some more work done |
| 05:54.18 | trupheenix | is watching raindrops |
| 05:58.14 | Infoport | ieatlint I just figure that for approx $45-60 I should get the right connector right away, but havent found how to get the Oxford version |
| 05:59.40 | Infoport | OK, anybody who will send me good .state files? my audio wont get any sounds on calls (nor send) |
| 06:03.25 | hipitihop_ | anyone got screen shots up of 2008 |
| 06:04.47 | undrwater | damn...i can boot kernel in SD, but can't seem to init rootfs |
| 06:05.13 | undrwater | "no init found" |
| 06:07.06 | feydreva | good night allll |
| 06:07.33 | mmontour | Infoport: start with http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/gsmheadset.state then try adjusting "Mic2" in "alsamixer -V all" |
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| 06:10.06 | trupheenix | Infoport: i figured my problem was with a defective handset. i duly got it replaced |
| 06:10.17 | ronny | yo |
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| 06:11.15 | ronny | i installed the 2008.8 images from yesterday, now my usbnet wront work ?! |
| 06:12.18 | Centaur5 | ronny: yesterday's images booted up though? |
| 06:12.29 | ronny | Centaur5: yeah |
| 06:12.34 | undrwater | ronny: apparently this should fix: http://rafb.net/p/o5mI2S24.html |
| 06:12.45 | Centaur5 | ronny: I guess I'll have to try flashing again then cause it wouldn't boot. |
| 06:12.47 | undrwater | run on PC, then reboot phone |
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| 06:14.33 | Torikun | Hello |
| 06:14.44 | Torikun | I was able o ssh into my freerunner but I can not ping outside |
| 06:14.46 | Torikun | any ideas? |
| 06:15.22 | ronny | Torikun: fix the resolv.conf on your moko |
| 06:15.28 | ronny | undrwater: didnt helo |
| 06:15.45 | Torikun | =-name server = 192.168.0.200 |
| 06:16.09 | Quai | are you running linux? and using usb? |
| 06:16.13 | Torikun | yes |
| 06:16.30 | Quai | scp /etc/resolv.conf root@192.168.0.202:/etc/ |
| 06:16.37 | Quai | from the host pc |
| 06:17.03 | ronny | or jsut install dnsmasq |
| 06:17.08 | Torikun | ty |
| 06:17.09 | Torikun | it works |
| 06:17.11 | Quai | or that |
| 06:17.11 | rwhitby | or run a nameserver like bind or dnsmasq on the pc |
| 06:18.40 | Torikun | how to update repos |
| 06:18.40 | undrwater | ronny: didn't work for me either...dmesg tells me the phone won't attache to a /dev |
| 06:19.12 | Torikun | opkg update says signature check failed |
| 06:19.27 | undrwater | Torikun: ignore it |
| 06:19.30 | undrwater | for now |
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| 06:20.54 | ronny | hmm, got it now |
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| 06:21.09 | ronny | how do i exit application with the asu ui ? |
| 06:21.14 | undrwater | ronny: what'd you do? |
| 06:21.16 | Torikun | what is the ignore/force option |
| 06:21.47 | Torikun | i do not see it in the help |
| 06:21.55 | ronny | undrwater: guess my hotplug device script set works |
| 06:22.01 | ronny | undrwater: u on ubuntu? |
| 06:22.06 | undrwater | ronny: no...gentoo |
| 06:22.45 | undrwater | Torikun: force install in spite of errors |
| 06:22.59 | Torikun | I need to update my packages first right? |
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| 06:23.51 | undrwater | update then upgrade, yes |
| 06:23.59 | Torikun | I can not update because of the signature |
| 06:24.15 | undrwater | you did update...the sig errors are inconsequential |
| 06:24.25 | undrwater | you can upgrade now |
| 06:24.26 | ronny | how does one fix opkg on the asu |
| 06:24.27 | Torikun | says faile dto download |
| 06:24.44 | undrwater | yep...that's OK...they're not there to download anyway |
| 06:24.47 | ronny | ARGH |
| 06:24.54 | ronny | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.01 | ronny | who the heck made those images |
| 06:26.06 | undrwater | ronny: that's a joke, right? |
| 06:26.12 | Torikun | lol |
| 06:26.25 | Torikun | hey, that is whay mine says |
| 06:26.26 | ronny | undrwater: no, thats the errors i get from opkg |
| 06:26.27 | Torikun | my disto.org |
| 06:26.30 | Torikun | I get teh same error |
| 06:26.43 | undrwater | there's no my-distribution.org |
| 06:26.49 | Torikun | how do you fix it |
| 06:26.52 | ronny | xof course there isnt |
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| 06:27.11 | undrwater | you can remove or replace that with a distro of your choice or making |
| 06:27.12 | ronny | some idiot put the example files in the image in stead of real locations |
| 06:27.28 | undrwater | set up so you can create your own repo |
| 06:27.36 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rc8535b341ab1 10/framework/config.py: Emmit an error if no config file can be found. |
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| 06:30.46 | ronny | sed -ie 's@my-distribution.org\/remote-feed\/@downloads.openmoko.org\/repository\/Om2008.8\/@' /etc/opkg/*feed* |
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| 06:31.24 | ronny | @ Torikun |
| 06:31.55 | trupheenix | is wondering what will happen if it keeps raining. GPS is not working due to storm. |
| 06:32.31 | kgoetz | swaped back to the old .conf files and still got no updates |
| 06:33.36 | ecraven | is the arm we use a 32bit little-endian machine? |
| 06:34.03 | trupheenix | arm is not little endian. AFAIK |
| 06:34.18 | Torikun | can smeone send me their repos? |
| 06:34.44 | ronny | Torikun: just execute the oneliner i gave you |
| 06:34.45 | kgoetz | wow |
| 06:34.52 | kgoetz | i have a load average >4 while booting |
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| 06:36.01 | Torikun | ronny: I had some pc issues |
| 06:36.56 | Torikun | I need the open moko repos |
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| 06:38.47 | kgoetz | ronny: dont you need /etc/opkg/*conf not /etc/opkg/*feed* |
| 06:39.05 | kgoetz | even then, some are failing downloads :\ |
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| 06:39.30 | Torikun | i deleted everything in /etc/opkg |
| 06:39.33 | Torikun | since it was not working |
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| 06:39.46 | kgoetz | Torikun: you need a copy? |
| 06:39.51 | Torikun | Yes please |
| 06:40.00 | kgoetz | Torikun: just a minute |
| 06:40.08 | ronny | kgoetz: the feeds have the repos |
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| 06:40.18 | kgoetz | ronny: i have no *feeds* |
| 06:40.26 | ronny | kgoetz: oO |
| 06:40.32 | kgoetz | oh, *feed*, not *feeds* :$ |
| 06:41.09 | ronny | heh |
| 06:41.11 | Torikun | kgoetz: How can you send it? |
| 06:41.20 | kgoetz | Torikun: pastebin? |
| 06:41.25 | Torikun | ok |
| 06:41.50 | kgoetz | http://paste.debian.net/14023/ |
| 06:41.55 | Torikun | ty |
| 06:42.03 | kgoetz | not all are valid, but you'll see which when you update :) |
| 06:42.14 | kgoetz | i would give you valid only but the neo is downloading updates, and doesnt want to stop |
| 06:42.46 | kgoetz | and theres oodles of updates :| |
| 06:42.47 | Torikun | all that in 1 file |
| 06:43.00 | kgoetz | Torikun: no, look at the script at the top |
| 06:43.05 | undrwater | i like that word...oodles |
| 06:43.18 | undrwater | kgoetz: so 2007 is updating to 2008? |
| 06:43.30 | undrwater | via opkg? |
| 06:43.50 | kgoetz | undrwater: 200804240820 is updating to 2008.8 |
| 06:44.31 | kgoetz | undrwater: if thats 2007.* then yes (sorry to not directly answer) |
| 06:44.33 | Torikun | kgoetz: I have nothing in the folder |
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| 06:44.57 | kgoetz | Torikun: (16:09:30) Torikun: i deleted everything in /etc/opkg <- is this a clue why that might be? |
| 06:45.16 | Torikun | lol |
| 06:45.22 | Torikun | I see the different files in your script now |
| 06:45.43 | kgoetz | Torikun: the pastebin is is a list of files (ending in .conf) followed by the fils contnt. the content goes until the next line ending in conf :) |
| 06:46.18 | ronny | how do i get a real input keyboard with the asu? |
| 06:46.33 | ronny | i need to enter my elan password, and that is not some fscking word |
| 06:46.36 | Torikun | ty |
| 06:46.57 | kgoetz | sorry about missing E's, my keyboard is almost EOL |
| 06:47.36 | kgoetz | Torikun: FYI http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8//fic-gta02/Packages.gz, fails |
| 06:47.42 | kgoetz | dont know if thats a feature or not :) |
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| 06:51.02 | Torikun | trying to sync update now kgoetz |
| 06:51.31 | Torikun | motif is installing now and download dependencies |
| 06:51.32 | Torikun | ty |
| 06:51.53 | kgoetz | cool. |
| 06:52.02 | kgoetz | is still doing a -test upgrade |
| 06:53.47 | spdr_ | any way to get to the power menu |
| 06:53.56 | spdr_ | if i hold the power and it wont show? |
| 06:54.20 | Torikun | will the upgrade take awhile? |
| 06:54.36 | kgoetz | looks like it. theres a fair few packages |
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| 06:57.16 | Torikun | I just want the wifi gui tonight lol |
| 06:57.20 | Torikun | opkg install python-core python-misc python-lang python-subprocess python-threading python-pygtk python-pygobjec |
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| 06:57.38 | kgoetz | is looking forward to perl arriving |
| 06:57.44 | kgoetz | might just install debian and use it that way though |
| 06:57.54 | Torikun | let me know how it goes |
| 06:57.54 | ronny | mm |
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| 07:16.53 | Torikun | what does it mean with the aux light is red? |
| 07:17.33 | raster | danger... freerunner is about to explode |
| 07:17.34 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:18.43 | kgoetz | reboot and hope time |
| 07:19.26 | kgoetz | is it posable to buy the headset/mic plugs seperate? i'm thinking a freerunner+a ham radio could do packet |
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| 07:21.13 | spdr_ | -sh: iface: not found |
| 07:21.19 | spdr_ | wtf? ^ |
| 07:21.19 | *** part/#openmoko jfrousval (n=jfrousva@ARouen-152-1-38-63.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
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| 07:22.27 | kgoetz | looks the same to me :| |
| 07:23.44 | ronny | hmm, pkcon doesnt let me install tangogps |
| 07:23.57 | spdr_ | oh, stupid me, just need some sleep -_- |
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| 07:25.01 | kgoetz | well... that upgrade gave no excitement :( just a wrong-clock |
| 07:26.17 | Torikun | how come wifi apps and wb browser do not open when I click on them |
| 07:26.20 | Torikun | weird |
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| 07:29.09 | Infoport | crap. I still can't get calls to make or pickup sound over the call. it worked once, but is borked now |
| 07:29.45 | Torikun | i spent hours just to get wifi |
| 07:29.46 | Torikun | lol |
| 07:29.58 | wyze | :o |
| 07:30.07 | Torikun | love the phone still |
| 07:30.11 | wyze | wifi = pice of cake |
| 07:30.11 | Torikun | good work devs |
| 07:30.25 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8b285a1e845a 10/conf/machine/om-gta01.conf: [om-gta01] make sure g-ether is in image |
| 07:30.26 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r918dc2dd0c06 10/conf/machine/om-gta02.conf: [om-gta02] we have large flash so load all modules |
| 07:30.26 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r170723a08d3a 10/packages/tasks/task-base.bb: [task-base] increment PR after modules changes |
| 07:30.27 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd2313296c004 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Stable kernel upgrade. g-ether is now a module, beware |
| 07:30.30 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r56f94e4bda2f 10/conf/machine/om-gta02.conf: [om-gta02] Do not generate yaffs2 due size issues |
| 07:30.33 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5222611464b0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: update ompower - cleaner suspend/resume |
| 07:30.36 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r756e84565759 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-theme_svn.bb: [illume] Allow people to easily replace the illume edje files |
| 07:30.51 | opendeep | anyone installed python-urllib2 package on device? |
| 07:32.05 | Torikun | dunno |
| 07:32.06 | Torikun | lol |
| 07:32.30 | emdete | opendeep: nope - what's with it? |
| 07:32.45 | Torikun | does it have an irc client |
| 07:33.16 | kgoetz | mines taking its sweet time about booting :( all i did was change the timezone |
| 07:33.42 | Torikun | mine does not load websites |
| 07:33.43 | Torikun | lol |
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| 07:34.14 | kgoetz | *** glibc detected *** openmoko-today: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x00086ad0 *** |
| 07:34.14 | kgoetz | ^^ lovely :| |
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| 07:34.22 | Torikun | Hey free runner devs: I love the laster light pen! |
| 07:34.27 | Torikun | ty! |
| 07:35.04 | Torikun | How do you close/quit apps? |
| 07:36.14 | kgoetz | ahahahah. i just saw the 'spank spank' error message |
| 07:36.42 | Torikun | anyone able to load we bsites? |
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| 07:40.35 | opendeep | emdete:it's a python module to open url's and read data, I did not fing this in feed's and trying manually install but failed to get the package in the net. |
| 07:44.07 | beni_ | yeah, got a gps fix in 42s with only half sky visible this morning |
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| 07:44.25 | beni_ | and i got signals from around 6 sattellites in about only 15s |
| 07:44.33 | beni_ | (dont know why fixing took so long) |
| 07:45.04 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r15aa8bf72252 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Remove minimo from ASU-feed |
| 07:45.14 | beni_ | i tried tho phone yesterday :) worked very well, good speech quality and stable communication |
| 07:45.25 | beni_ | is happy |
| 07:45.43 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r53e2256f8b9d 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu-feed.bb: [openmoko-asu-feed] Remove minimo from ASU-feed |
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| 07:46.37 | beni_ | how much of a problem is it if someone is flashing the rootfs very often? |
| 07:46.52 | beni_ | because package updates with opkg will result in writing to the rootfs... |
| 07:47.03 | beni_ | or ist it only a problem to flash kernel/uboot? |
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| 08:00.17 | ronny | hmm, the asu ui is a pain |
| 08:00.38 | ronny | is there any way to get the gtk based ui back on the 2008.8 image? |
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| 08:06.16 | Mek | hmm... when trying to build with mokomakefile it fails to build a kernel because neo1973_pm_gps.h does not exist... |
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| 08:14.32 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r84656519be62 10/classes/update-rc.d.bbclass: make sure update-rc is always executed in an offline postinst (from poky r4976) |
| 08:14.33 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4a08a09fe19a 10/packages/dbus/dbus_1.1.20.bb: [dbus] Bump the PR after the update-rc change as we know dbus benefits from it |
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| 08:24.00 | methril | morning |
| 08:29.31 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rfeb87d2587ad 10/conf/distro/include/ (sane-srcdates.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): update efl and illume to have config for removed spanner , asterisk moved, |
| 08:30.26 | ozzloy | morning methril |
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| 08:35.34 | spdr_ | any idea how long the battery will last on the 2007 image ? |
| 08:36.07 | spdr_ | with only GSM and Bluetooth powered up |
| 08:37.28 | hipitihop_ | does the fso stack have some way of seeing received calls/numbers or some package I can add ? |
| 08:41.19 | beni_ | spdr_: try it |
| 08:41.25 | beni_ | i would say around 6 hours |
| 08:43.20 | hipitihop_ | do any of the current stacks provide a way of seeing received calls/numbers ? |
| 08:45.30 | wyze | good question |
| 08:45.41 | wyze | awaits the answer |
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| 08:52.23 | XorA | 2007.2 and ASU do |
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| 08:58.18 | hipitihop_ | XorA, do you know if the Qtopia does ? |
| 08:58.41 | XorA | hipitihop_: I assume so, its the same software as ASU |
| 08:59.39 | hipitihop_ | XorA, I wasn't aware of that or that it was available |
| 08:59.40 | lpotter | yes, it does |
| 09:00.00 | XorA | I knew I had seen it |
| 09:00.29 | beni_ | hipitihop_: the 2007.2 image shows call history |
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| 09:02.33 | ZzzzZZZzorkman | i'm trying to lauch orrery, but i get : "Segmentation fault |
| 09:02.42 | ZzzzZZZzorkman | any idea how to fix this? |
| 09:03.04 | hipitihop_ | I know all is in a state of flux and my partner although a noob, is very prepared to experiment with the various stacks but I'm trying to decide on a primary one that she can rely on for reliable calls and things like call history. Probably need to set her up with flashed one and dual boot experiments. So suggestions are welcome |
| 09:03.58 | Zorkman | for recieving calls i would recommend FSO or qtopia (not 2007.2 or ASU at the moment) |
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| 09:06.55 | hipitihop_ | Zorkman, she has had FSO Aug4 for a couple of days and today first time in earnest while she was out had trouble answering calls and drop outs, has no received calls log etc |
| 09:07.30 | Zorkman | gtopia then i guess :) |
| 09:09.03 | hipitihop_ | Zorkman, she also tried Qtopia but not in earnest in regards to calls. We both prefer the look of the FSO. Might flip her back to Qtopia and wait for the *th for the combined stack to try |
| 09:09.21 | hipitihop_ | sorry, wait for the 8th |
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| 09:16.57 | BlackFog | morning |
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| 09:20.04 | Any_Key_ | morning all |
| 09:20.34 | Zorkman | hi |
| 09:23.22 | Any_Key_ | Do some body know is L10N (.pot files) infrastructure was made for ASU/FSO? And how can smbd obtain .pot to translate? |
| 09:31.57 | jOERG_rw | SpeedEvil: ping |
| 09:32.55 | jOERG_rw | mmontour: ping |
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| 09:37.48 | Zorkman | 2-0 for jOERG_rw :) |
| 09:37.59 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rb4de070c1911 10/classes/cpan.bbclass: [cpan] point PERL_ARCHLIB to perl-native, hint taken from xjqian OE |
| 09:38.50 | jOERG_rw | Zorkman: look at people.openmoko.org/joerg to see a *real* 4:0 ;-) |
| 09:40.24 | Zorkman | i already seen the schematics and your tape-sollution, it's nice :) |
| 09:41.42 | Zorkman | are there already taken any descisions on what to add/remove in the A7? |
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| 09:44.12 | jOERG_rw | Zorkman: A7 is about product revision. No adds, no removes |
| 09:44.38 | jOERG_rw | Zorkman: just layout minimal changes and some capacitors bigger size |
| 09:45.07 | jOERG_rw | we're just doing the first PCB-prototypes |
| 09:45.56 | Zorkman | sorry, I wasn't clear with my question, i mean small changes, like if the capacitator on t he SD would be implemented or not |
| 09:46.37 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r9182a36d1aef 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko-feed] perl problems are fixed, re-enable gpsdrive |
| 09:46.48 | jOERG_rw | we got pads (footprints) for capacitors on SD, no decision on whether they will be NC or some real components |
| 09:46.59 | Zorkman | did i miss something on the mailinglists are isn't there yet an "official" openmoko report on the improvement of the capacitator? |
| 09:47.26 | Zorkman | i did see the report of a community member (cathy? i think) but she did only the software fix if i recall correctly |
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| 09:47.48 | jOERG_rw | the imprvement of the C's has been evaluatede and published IIRC |
| 09:48.11 | jOERG_rw | by a OMemployee |
| 09:49.04 | jOERG_rw | please don't ask for links, I'm drowning in mail and info o.O |
| 09:49.39 | jOERG_rw | here's been no decision on whether we need the C on SD or sw-fix will do |
| 09:49.49 | Zorkman | no no, i won't do that (iread yor mail;)) and i understand it, i will search for it |
| 09:49.52 | jOERG_rw | still nder evaluation |
| 09:50.14 | Zorkman | http://www.millions.ca/~stacy/neoFreeRunner/gpstale.html was what i meant, but here are no capacitators fixes |
| 09:50.18 | Zorkman | thanks for your time! |
| 09:51.08 | jOERG_rw | np |
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| 09:54.02 | SpeedEvil | jOERG_rw: I saw unitless signal-noise figure changes - not how it works in practice in motion. |
| 09:54.28 | SpeedEvil | jOERG_rw: Oh - pong |
| 09:54.34 | SpeedEvil | just woke up. |
| 09:54.49 | jOERG_rw | SpeedEvil: ye, that's about what I remember as well |
| 09:55.04 | SpeedEvil | I'd test it, but... |
| 09:55.30 | jOERG_rw | SpeedEvil: ave a look at http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics ! |
| 09:55.48 | SpeedEvil | Oooh! Schematics of a jOERG! |
| 09:55.57 | jOERG_rw | :D |
| 09:56.03 | jOERG_rw | joergbot |
| 09:56.28 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 09:56.47 | SpeedEvil | Awesome, thanks. |
| 09:56.48 | jOERG_rw | I'm sure you will love the big black blob on sheet-10(?) |
| 09:57.07 | jOERG_rw | infineon - NDA |
| 09:57.13 | SpeedEvil | Oh well. Can't have everything. |
| 09:57.34 | SpeedEvil | I'm not actually (much) concerned about that - more the annoying firmware update problem. |
| 09:57.44 | jOERG_rw | yeah that's as good as it gets, probably |
| 09:57.57 | jOERG_rw | GPS, GSM? what? |
| 09:58.14 | SpeedEvil | jOERG_rw: another topic that was raised last night - replacement cases - any idea? |
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| 09:58.16 | jOERG_rw | we have lots of firmware |
| 09:58.20 | SpeedEvil | GSM |
| 09:58.32 | SpeedEvil | Though GPS firmware source would be lovely. |
| 09:58.36 | jOERG_rw | cases: huh? |
| 09:58.53 | SpeedEvil | jOERG_rw: someone was asking about a replacement case as they broke theirs. |
| 09:59.01 | jOERG_rw | we published the complete files for the case |
| 09:59.12 | jOERG_rw | ahh i S |
| 09:59.15 | jOERG_rw | see |
| 09:59.42 | SpeedEvil | jOERG_rw: and I was wondering as I have a wifi mod for GTA01 - but it'd require a case to hack with to see if I can get it to accurately fit. |
| 09:59.46 | jOERG_rw | nope, no idea. that's marketing. Ask Steve! or michel, or Will, or... |
| 09:59.48 | SpeedEvil | K |
| 10:00.02 | SpeedEvil | Randomly, I found Iphone 3G uses the same GPS as GTA01 |
| 10:00.28 | jOERG_rw | really, hey use u-blox chip? |
| 10:00.34 | jOERG_rw | *they |
| 10:00.36 | SpeedEvil | 01 |
| 10:00.42 | XorA | 01 isnt u-blox its broadcom |
| 10:01.15 | SpeedEvil | hammerhead whatever |
| 10:01.43 | dcordes_ | XorA: d'oh I broke kaiser with the patch adding polaris, because in linux kaiser I define SUPPORTED_MACHINE twice |
| 10:01.56 | SpeedEvil | Thanks again jOERG_rw! |
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| 10:02.14 | jOERG_rw | SpeedEvil: gta01 is using infineon, see schematics (I **LOVE** to say this ;-) ) |
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| 10:02.39 | XorA | dcordes_: fixing |
| 10:02.46 | dcordes_ | ok thanks |
| 10:02.48 | kd8ikt | suggestions http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/gentoo/experimental/arm/embedded/stages/ |
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| 10:03.26 | kd8ikt | softfloat? |
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| 10:03.39 | zedstar_ | apple advertise the gps as assisted so presumably there is assistance server services for the gta01 then? |
| 10:03.58 | SpeedEvil | jOERG_rw: yes - it's the same chip |
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| 10:05.31 | XorA | dcordes_: fixed in OE |
| 10:05.53 | dcordes_ | XorA: that was rapid, thanks again |
| 10:06.04 | XorA | SpeedEvil: does this mean you volunteer to reverse engineer the iphone software :-) |
| 10:06.31 | SpeedEvil | http://i.cmpnet.com/techonline/uth/pmiPhone_boardtopBIG.jpg |
| 10:07.20 | SpeedEvil | (though no schematics :( ) |
| 10:07.50 | SpeedEvil | XorA: no, but I may be designing my own GPS soon. |
| 10:09.41 | jOERG_rw | shiiiiiit, they got THREE GSM-poweramps ? :-o |
| 10:10.05 | jOERG_rw | strange design :-/ |
| 10:11.17 | SpeedEvil | http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=5BQSIZ2SENTMWQSNDLRSKHSCJUNN2JVN?articleID=209000014 |
| 10:11.20 | SpeedEvil | is the main article |
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| 10:13.22 | SpeedEvil | The price that (or is it others) articles mention for a BOM for the 3g is interesting - $100. |
| 10:13.29 | SpeedEvil | (but that's at silly quantity) |
| 10:14.30 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra1d5896d7121 10/odeviced/ (7 files in 6 dirs): add task_play and task_stop to the audio plugin. NOTE: doesn't work yet :) |
| 10:16.52 | XorA | SpeedEvil: could always get the night shift at chinese factory to make OM boards with a slightly different case :-D |
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| 10:17.09 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 10:28.18 | cvdstap | wants an orm database |
| 10:31.38 | AJuOnLiNE | Sup3rkiddo: committing codes ;) |
| 10:32.01 | Sup3rkiddo | AJuOnLiNE, yo |
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| 10:36.10 | opendeep | Sup3rkiddo: hi, how you doing? |
| 10:38.05 | Sup3rkiddo | opendeep, doing good, thanks :D |
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| 10:45.59 | opendeep | Sup3rkiddo: on the device we have stripped down python. I used urllib2 module in application but it's not available in feeds and to install it manually , it's part of stdlib and not available as separate package. So how can I use that module? any idea...t |
| 10:46.40 | Moo-- | opendeep: they are as separate packages |
| 10:46.47 | Sup3rkiddo | i guess, theres a separate python-* package for that |
| 10:46.49 | Moo-- | opendeep: opkg instasll python-urllib2 or something |
| 10:47.22 | Sup3rkiddo | i have a hunch urllib is provided by some other package |
| 10:47.31 | Sup3rkiddo | not python-urllib2 iirc |
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| 10:49.24 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r27b92aface7c 10/ (20 files in 7 dirs): |
| 10:49.25 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Added the new style oeventsd module |
| 10:49.25 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: This is quite a lot of changes, zhone should be updated to call the Events.Init method. |
| 10:49.25 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: I hope I didn't break too many things :) |
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| 10:56.35 | opendeep | Sup3rkiddo: Is it hunch urllib a separate package? tell me how do you install it? |
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| 11:14.14 | cesarb | Yay schematics! |
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| 11:17.28 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r956c180327e6 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [openmoko] Switch back debug mode |
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| 11:19.43 | ecraven | where is the unix domain socket for the X server? /tmp/.X11-unix/X0?? |
| 11:22.02 | cesarb | The greatest thing about schematics like this is the hidden surprises. Just a quick look found for GTA01 two ADC inputs on test points, for instance |
| 11:22.22 | cesarb | Wait a moment, the RTC on the GTA01 CPU has a xtal on it? hm... |
| 11:22.44 | SpeedEvil | Exactly. |
| 11:22.49 | SpeedEvil | hands cesarb a puppy. |
| 11:22.54 | cesarb | recalls something back when I was looking closer at cpufreq stuff where a xtal on the CPU RTC could be useful, but can't recall what it was... |
| 11:23.33 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: now, complete the cpufreq code, and I'll take the puppy back. |
| 11:23.35 | cesarb | reading schematics on a puny 17" monitor is hard :( |
| 11:24.46 | SpeedEvil | printed may be easier. |
| 11:25.10 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: first I'm going to try to fix the SD card code on 2.6.26, which is doing a null pointer deref for me :( (I decided to go to 2.6.26 instead of carrying forward several cherry-picked patches) |
| 11:25.22 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 11:25.28 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: all printers I have access to are A4 only |
| 11:25.40 | SpeedEvil | passes cesarb some sellotape. |
| 11:25.45 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: :D |
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| 11:56.06 | dbmoodb_ | hi there i was setting up mokomake file and i get an error with linux-openmoko_2.6... anyone know if there is a fix ? |
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| 12:01.54 | mmaestri | dbmoodb_: i had same issue |
| 12:02.07 | mmaestri | not solved til yesterday |
| 12:02.30 | dbmoodb_ | mmaestri: what's the solution ? |
| 12:02.37 | mmaestri | i tried again, and always fail at that point |
| 12:02.44 | dbmoodb_ | cuz i well i'm ignoring it |
| 12:02.49 | mmaestri | wish i know |
| 12:02.55 | dbmoodb_ | ... where does it output the ipkgs mmaestri ? |
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| 12:04.32 | mmaestri | openembedded/packages i think, but do a find -name *.ipk from where you call make, and it'll show up |
| 12:05.57 | dbmoodb_ | ok |
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| 12:09.15 | dbmoodb_ | well that's great i can' make packages.. |
| 12:11.18 | MrTuttle | guys, which images do you run on the GTA02? Any recommendations? |
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| 12:20.45 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rd6212e6e59ae 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [distro-feed-configs] set the right variables in openmoko.conf |
| 12:21.01 | kgoetz | rofl |
| 12:27.05 | Quai | hm |
| 12:27.32 | Quai | im trying to get debian running on my fr, but I cant get usb0 to work |
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| 12:27.47 | ecraven | Quai: it worked out of the box for me |
| 12:27.48 | Quai | I added cdc_ether to /etc/modules, but im not sure if this is enough |
| 12:27.59 | ecraven | did you follow the guide on the wiki? |
| 12:28.08 | Quai | I did |
| 12:28.08 | trupheenix | hey can anyone tell me how we can customize the startup screen on the phone? |
| 12:29.11 | dbmoodb_ | Quai: it works... why do you ask ? |
| 12:29.15 | matholio | hullo you lot. |
| 12:29.25 | Quai | ecraven: I did the bootstrap version of the howto |
| 12:29.40 | ecraven | Quai: me too, twice, worked fine every time. what kernel do you use? |
| 12:29.46 | matholio | what repos can I use with FSO II ? |
| 12:29.48 | matholio | any > |
| 12:29.53 | dbmoodb_ | Quai: copy the /lib/modules from the one that works (distros /image) and copy the kernel .... boot ? |
| 12:30.09 | Quai | gta02-latest |
| 12:30.12 | dbmoodb_ | Quai: um the config i posted that i got from a use for the touchscreen doesn't work -- got a better one ? |
| 12:30.33 | dbmoodb_ | sorry misread --- ecraven got a better version |
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| 12:30.58 | trupheenix | anyone got any tips on how to customize the boot screen? i want to put in my own theme |
| 12:31.14 | Quai | okey, but let me try the prebuild filesystem first |
| 12:31.43 | dbmoodb_ | trupheenix: you would need to alter uboot i think it is / splash let me find the article for you |
| 12:31.55 | ecraven | you can download the modules from buildhost, there's a tarball for them |
| 12:32.13 | ecraven | you need Xfbdev or Xglamo for the X server to work, the one in debian never worked for me |
| 12:32.58 | trupheenix | dbmoodb_: ok |
| 12:33.26 | dbmoodb_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Splash_screen |
| 12:34.32 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: and the touchscreen config ? |
| 12:35.00 | ecraven | dbmoodb_: a bunch of environment variables, and you need to link libts to version 0.1 |
| 12:35.09 | trupheenix | dbmoodb_: ok but i wanted to change the boot splash not the uboot splash. :( i think i would have to compile my own distro for that? |
| 12:35.20 | dbmoodb_ | oh want to write / tell me how to do that ? |
| 12:35.52 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: can we use x from the openmoko image / distro ? (chrooted debian) |
| 12:35.57 | trupheenix | dbmoodb_: well....let me hunt around |
| 12:37.00 | ecraven | dbmoodb_: yes, just copy /usr/bin/Xglamo (./Xfbdev) to /usr/bin in debian |
| 12:37.23 | ecraven | add this to your .bashrc export TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event1 |
| 12:39.03 | dbmoodb_ | ah is that for x from the openmoko image ? |
| 12:39.03 | ecraven | then as root, run this: ln -s /usr/lib/libts-0.0.so.0 /usr/lib/libts-1.0.so.0 |
| 12:39.03 | ecraven | yes |
| 12:39.04 | dbmoodb_ | cool |
| 12:39.20 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: unfortantly mokomake is failing on me |
| 12:39.38 | ecraven | i never used mokomakefile, i copied everything i needed from the tarballs |
| 12:39.47 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: what about the touch screen |
| 12:39.53 | ecraven | works fine |
| 12:39.56 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: well ... i can't get linphone to work |
| 12:40.03 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: ???... nar from debian |
| 12:40.07 | dbmoodb_ | it doesn't work for me ... |
| 12:40.15 | ecraven | i didn't try gsm so far (except for checking that the device works) |
| 12:40.27 | dbmoodb_ | ok.. but how did you configure the touchscreen ? |
| 12:40.30 | dbmoodb_ | in /etc/pointercal |
| 12:40.46 | ecraven | just copy that from the standard distribution |
| 12:40.59 | dbmoodb_ | i did that too and i got no luck |
| 12:41.30 | ecraven | are you actually using Xglamo/Xfbdev? |
| 12:42.28 | dbmoodb_ | ah i used the one from the wiki.. |
| 12:43.00 | dbmoodb_ | which is fbdev |
| 12:45.59 | ecraven | no, that only works for gta01 i think |
| 12:46.04 | ecraven | Xfbdev works fine, even with xrandr |
| 12:46.08 | ecraven | Xglamo only works in portrait mode |
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| 12:46.49 | rysiek | hi again |
| 12:47.13 | rysiek | I am having problems with upgrading and installing with opkg |
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| 12:47.53 | rysiek | e.g. I get * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gpe-filemanager: * gpe-icons |
| 12:48.42 | ecraven | i should really write this up on the wiki/Debian page ;( |
| 12:49.17 | dbmoodb_ | yeah dude |
| 12:49.32 | ecraven | if you start x, use "startx -- vt1" |
| 12:49.34 | ecraven | otherwise it won't work |
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| 12:49.59 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: so... what do i put for the config ? |
| 12:50.10 | ecraven | xorg.conf? the one from the wiki page |
| 12:50.11 | dbmoodb_ | on my gta02 ...UseFBDev or ..? |
| 12:50.24 | ecraven | you don't need a device section |
| 12:50.29 | ecraven | and nothing for the touch screen |
| 12:50.35 | ecraven | xglamo/xfbdev do that on their own |
| 12:50.39 | dbmoodb_ | so what ? don't modfile the file ? |
| 12:51.03 | ecraven | by default there is no xorg.conf |
| 12:51.18 | ecraven | hm.. i never tried, but probably it even works without one ;) try renaming it to xorg.conf.old |
| 12:51.19 | dbmoodb_ | what ? |
| 12:51.29 | ecraven | if you install debian, you get no xorg.conf |
| 12:51.36 | dbmoodb_ | yeah i installed xorg tho |
| 12:51.48 | ecraven | yes, still no xorg.conf (at least not the two times i tried it) |
| 12:51.56 | dbmoodb_ | what? |
| 12:52.06 | dbmoodb_ | ok... |
| 12:52.35 | ecraven | also, do the following: cd /usr/bin && mv X X.orig && ln -s Xfbdev X |
| 12:52.44 | ecraven | this should make X a symlink to Xfbdev |
| 12:54.24 | dbmoodb_ | ah ? |
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| 12:54.30 | dbmoodb_ | where from ... |
| 12:54.47 | ecraven | on a console, doesn't matter, cd /usr/bin will get you to the right directory |
| 12:54.51 | rysiek | guys, opkg upgrade floods me with errors: http://wklej.org/id/606babe8e8 |
| 12:54.54 | dbmoodb_ | i'm on debian atm |
| 12:54.59 | rysiek | I have *no* idea how to get over those |
| 12:55.07 | dbmoodb_ | should i move to the other distro ? |
| 12:55.16 | ecraven | dbmoodb_: what are you trying to do? install debian on the FR? |
| 12:55.28 | dbmoodb_ | yah... |
| 12:55.30 | dbmoodb_ | i have it on it |
| 12:55.33 | rysiek | is -force-overwrite a good idea? |
| 12:56.05 | ecraven | then ssh into your freerunner, and run the following as root: mv /usr/bin/X /usr/bin/X.orig && ln -s /usr/bin/Xfbdev /usr/bin/X |
| 12:56.30 | ecraven | if you did all the other things i said, you should have a working X server with correct calibration |
| 12:56.34 | dbmoodb_ | sure thing |
| 12:57.54 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: message me and start again |
| 12:58.54 | dbmoodb_ | i don't have any /usr/bin/XFDEV |
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| 12:59.39 | ecraven | yes, that's because you need to copy Xfbdev and Xglamo *from* FSO/ASU/2008.8/2007.2 |
| 12:59.44 | dbmoodb_ | ah |
| 12:59.48 | dbmoodb_ | yah i did ask |
| 12:59.50 | ecraven | as i told you ;) |
| 12:59.53 | dbmoodb_ | on |
| 12:59.55 | Sup3rkiddo | mickey_away, poke |
| 12:59.57 | dbmoodb_ | no -- go read above.. |
| 12:59.59 | dbmoodb_ | meh on well |
| 13:00.06 | dbmoodb_ | will fix it now |
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| 13:00.35 | Dave | How are you gentlemen? |
| 13:00.58 | ecraven | dbmoodb_: as i said, copy it from another distro to debian 2008-08-06 14:37 <ecraven> dbmoodb_: yes, just copy /usr/bin/Xglamo (./Xfbdev) to /usr/bin in debian |
| 13:01.00 | ecraven | Dave: fine ;) |
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| 13:01.13 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: doesn't matter lets see if we can get this to work |
| 13:01.26 | dbmoodb_ | you then said that was for chroot |
| 13:01.35 | ecraven | i never said a single word about chroot |
| 13:01.54 | Dave | Hallo ecraven! :) |
| 13:02.03 | Dave | What's new? |
| 13:02.10 | ecraven | you have a chrooted debian on your freerunner? |
| 13:02.45 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: what ? |
| 13:02.48 | dbmoodb_ | i was running debian |
| 13:02.54 | dbmoodb_ | yes i have a chroot |
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| 13:03.21 | ecraven | on the freerunner? |
| 13:03.28 | dbmoodb_ | YES |
| 13:03.31 | dbmoodb_ | :) |
| 13:03.38 | ecraven | so you are not booting into debian? |
| 13:03.51 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: had booted into it |
| 13:04.05 | Dave | runs ecraven inside a jail |
| 13:04.14 | ecraven | i did all the setup on my laptop, and only booted after that was done |
| 13:04.33 | Dave | :D |
| 13:04.34 | ecraven | dbmoodb_: so go and boot into debian on your neo, then ssh into it, then tell me |
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| 13:04.55 | matholio | hey all, where can I find information about using frameworkd ? |
| 13:04.57 | dbmoodb_ | ok ... one second |
| 13:05.03 | ecraven | 1 |
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| 13:06.35 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: you are very hard to follow you know |
| 13:06.53 | ecraven | ;) that's because i don't know what you are doing |
| 13:08.18 | Dave | Ecraven, what are YOU doing? |
| 13:08.50 | rysiek | guys, where can I get gpe-icons package? i't not in the angstrom nor ScaredyCat repos (at least, not for GTA02 cpu...) |
| 13:08.58 | ecraven | reading about the X protocol and waiting for dbmoodb_, and thinking whether it should install debian again, to remember what i did exactly |
| 13:09.00 | dbmoodb_ | Dave: i agree with you |
| 13:09.28 | Dave | :) |
| 13:09.47 | Dave | Ainulindale, is the dialer application complete now? |
| 13:09.52 | Zork | llo Dave! |
| 13:09.54 | Zork | been a while |
| 13:10.57 | rysiek | ffs |
| 13:11.03 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: yep ecraven its not working |
| 13:11.22 | ecraven | what is not working? what errors do you get? |
| 13:11.38 | dbmoodb_ | none the touchscreen doesn't respond |
| 13:11.46 | ecraven | what did you do? |
| 13:11.51 | dbmoodb_ | i did as you said |
| 13:11.59 | ecraven | if you boot debian, X doesn't start by itself |
| 13:12.04 | dbmoodb_ | GDM |
| 13:12.16 | ConfidentiaL | how do I see battery charging percentage on my freerunner? |
| 13:12.19 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: are you trying to help me or break my debian installation ? |
| 13:12.22 | dns53 | can someone fix the tar on the wiki so you have an on screen kb installed |
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| 13:12.31 | ecraven | dbmoodb_: depends on you, i can only tell you what i did ;) |
| 13:12.34 | dns53 | when running debian |
| 13:12.45 | ecraven | and i don't use gdm, i autoboot into X |
| 13:12.50 | dbmoodb_ | dns53: i would if i can get it working |
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| 13:13.00 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: great but i wanted to use gdm |
| 13:13.08 | ecraven | fine, then we should get your X server working |
| 13:13.23 | dbmoodb_ | its working there is just no input via the touchscreen |
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| 13:13.32 | ecraven | now, if you use GDM, you need to add the export TSLIB.. line to /etc/profile |
| 13:13.45 | ecraven | because gdm does not run as your user, but as root |
| 13:13.48 | dbmoodb_ | oh i see |
| 13:13.53 | dbmoodb_ | so where exactly ? |
| 13:13.58 | ecraven | at the end |
| 13:14.00 | dbmoodb_ | i could add it to the gdm init no ? |
| 13:14.05 | ecraven | probably |
| 13:14.09 | ecraven | i don't use gdm ;) |
| 13:14.15 | ecraven | it needs to be visible to gdm |
| 13:14.20 | dns53 | set gdm to auto login |
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| 13:14.33 | dbmoodb_ | dns53: try not atm |
| 13:14.52 | ecraven | what does "ls /usr/bin/X -la" say exactly? |
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| 13:15.17 | ecraven | dbmoodb_: also as root run: "chmod +s /usr/bin/Xglamo && chmod +s /usr/bin/Xfbdev" |
| 13:15.51 | dbmoodb_ | ls /usr/bin/X -la |
| 13:15.51 | dbmoodb_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Aug 6 12:42 /usr/bin/X -> Xfbdev |
| 13:15.58 | ecraven | very good ;) |
| 13:16.09 | ecraven | "ls -la /usr/bin/Xfbdev" also please |
| 13:16.33 | ecraven | and "ls -la /usr/lib/libts-*" |
| 13:16.33 | dbmoodb_ | ls -la /usr/bin/Xfbdev |
| 13:16.34 | dbmoodb_ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1016996 Aug 6 12:39 /usr/bin/Xfbdev |
| 13:16.54 | dbmoodb_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Aug 6 06:30 /usr/lib/libts-0.0.so.0 -> libts-0.0.so.0.1.1 |
| 13:16.56 | ecraven | dbmoodb_: the first - needs to be an s, it should change if you run the "chmod.." i pasted |
| 13:16.57 | dbmoodb_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6468 Feb 3 2008 /usr/lib/libts-0.0.so.0.1.1 |
| 13:17.00 | dbmoodb_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Aug 6 12:41 /usr/lib/libts-1.0.so.0 -> /usr/lib/libts-0.0.so.0 |
| 13:17.14 | dbmoodb_ | ah .... i'm not running gdm suid root dude |
| 13:17.16 | ecraven | looks good |
| 13:17.27 | ecraven | yes, but the X server needs to be suid root, i think |
| 13:17.53 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: debian has done what it needs for me already |
| 13:18.02 | ecraven | ? |
| 13:18.48 | dbmoodb_ | i'm setting it in xorg |
| 13:19.30 | bumbl | does anyone have a working /etc/opkg/ configuration |
| 13:19.52 | bumbl | the one oft the asu image yesterday is broken by default |
| 13:20.02 | rysiek | bumbl: no, and guys here don't seem even a bit helpful today |
| 13:20.09 | Dave | Bumble! |
| 13:20.10 | bumbl | and the feeds of that http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/opkg-asu.tar.gz |
| 13:20.13 | bumbl | are dead |
| 13:20.16 | bumbl | Davy |
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| 13:20.46 | rysiek | bumbl: I am trying to iron problems with opkg repos for 3hrs, and as of yet nobody even cared to answer |
| 13:20.57 | bumbl | hmm |
| 13:21.04 | Dave | What new? |
| 13:21.06 | ecraven | rysiek: i would, but i don't use opkg |
| 13:21.44 | dbmoodb_ | ecraven: mmm how would i autologin ? |
| 13:21.47 | dbmoodb_ | dns53: ? |
| 13:22.26 | ecraven | dbmoodb_: the way i did it was to use mingetty in /etc/inittab to automatically log a user in, and then add startx -- vt1 (within a check for tty1) in .bash_profile |
| 13:22.29 | dns53 | in the gdm config there is an option give me a sec |
| 13:22.33 | rysiek | ecraven: sorry, I am just getting frustrated as hell |
| 13:22.48 | ecraven | rysiek: i understand ;) that's why i switched to debian, i don't like angström |
| 13:22.50 | bumbl | Dave: nothing; but someone cares about us; a book was written titled "house of horrors" by nigel cawthorne; negative publicity for austria |
| 13:22.59 | XorA | just fixed the problem on buildhost with feed configs |
| 13:23.29 | XorA | I can upload a fixed package if people need |
| 13:23.32 | dns53 | dbmoodb_ security > enable automatic login, there is an option in the gdm config you can set |
| 13:23.37 | dbmoodb_ | ok |
| 13:24.02 | ecraven | lol, and of course it is about amstetten.. fast writer |
| 13:24.08 | bumbl | yes |
| 13:24.20 | Dave | bumble :O |
| 13:24.21 | rysiek | XorA: does this mean that there is a chance installing gpe-filemanager and openmoko-dates2 actually *might* succeed? ;) |
| 13:24.27 | Dave | Self-hating austrians? |
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| 13:24.43 | XorA | rysiek: depends if they are in the repo and what you are trying to do |
| 13:24.46 | dbmoodb_ | where is that ? |
| 13:24.52 | dbmoodb_ | dns53: just put enable automatic login ? |
| 13:24.58 | XorA | rysiek: mixing ASU and buildhost is probably a bad plan |
| 13:25.03 | bumbl | Dave: actually the author is english |
| 13:25.05 | rysiek | XorA: I am trying to opkg install openmoko-dates2 and gpe-filemanager |
| 13:25.11 | Lo-lan-do | G'day all. I haven't been able to find a recent u-boot image to flash, did they disappear from the website? |
| 13:25.30 | dns53 | yes, let me check my gdm.conf in another computer |
| 13:25.46 | rysiek | XorA: you will probably have to explain "ASU" and "buildhost" to a n00b here, although I will try to find it in the wiki... again |
| 13:25.58 | XorA | rysiek: what image are you using? |
| 13:26.04 | XorA | rysiek: where did you get it |
| 13:26.25 | rysiek | XorA: whichever image came a month ago on my Neo FreeRunner |
| 13:26.42 | XorA | rysiek: ah, then you want to flash a fresh image most likelu |
| 13:26.49 | XorA | rysiek: save a lot of faffing about |
| 13:26.50 | dns53 | AutomaticLoginEnable=true AutomaticLogin=username |
| 13:27.02 | dbmoodb_ | ok |
| 13:27.14 | XorA | rysiek: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080806/ |
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| 13:27.34 | bumbl | Dave: it seems Austria is only famous for five things: the sound of music, mozart, certain basements, and a certain fuehrer |
| 13:27.39 | rysiek | XorA: darn, I have hoped opkg upgrade will do the trick |
| 13:27.45 | ecraven | skiing! |
| 13:27.46 | SpeedEvil | bumbl: kangaroos |
| 13:27.46 | XorA | but those images will have a broken opkg configure |
| 13:27.55 | ecraven | and abysmal football players ;) |
| 13:28.01 | rysiek | XorA: I don't exactly feel comfy with loosing my contacts, msgs, etc |
| 13:28.14 | XorA | rysiek: it would, but the phone would run out of memory before you finished the upgrade |
| 13:28.46 | XorA | rysiek: back them up then |
| 13:28.57 | rysiek | XorA: actually, the upgrade went through, although I suppose I would need to change the repo defs to upgrade to the image you are talking about, right? |
| 13:29.07 | bumbl | ecraven: oh I forgot to write skiing; but counted it in |
| 13:29.31 | XorA | rysiek: you need to edit the files in /etc/opkg/ to point to these feeds http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/ |
| 13:30.20 | dbmoodb_ | dns53: didn't work |
| 13:30.22 | bumbl | XorA: would you mind uploading a correct opkg folder? |
| 13:30.37 | bumbl | SpeedEvil: :D |
| 13:31.21 | rysiek | XorA: ...but, as pointed out already, the phone would run out of memory before completing the upgrade, correct? |
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| 13:31.55 | XorA | bumbl: http://people.openmoko.org/graeme/ |
| 13:32.08 | dns53 | get rid of gdm and just call: su username -C startx |
| 13:32.09 | XorA | rysiek: I think it would, almost every package is changed |
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| 13:32.33 | ecraven | startx -- vt1 |
| 13:32.36 | ecraven | startx alone won't work |
| 13:32.46 | XorA | bumbl: stick that on your device and install itr |
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| 13:32.50 | ecraven | oh, it just might actually |
| 13:33.10 | bumbl | thank you |
| 13:33.57 | XorA | rysiek: as a developer I rarely do an ipkg upgrade, I normally reflash as by the time I finished my phone is buggered |
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| 13:34.10 | rysiek | ? |
| 13:34.14 | dbmoodb_ | /usr/bin/startx: line 168: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 13:34.15 | dbmoodb_ | ? |
| 13:34.16 | Dave | bumble :) |
| 13:34.34 | rysiek | XorA: you mean to say that opkg upgrades brake things? |
| 13:34.41 | rysiek | meh, not good |
| 13:34.53 | darkjames | dbmoodb_, just guessing /dev mounted nodev? ;> |
| 13:34.58 | XorA | rysiek: no, I mean to say, when Ive finished editing files on the device to test suff, its normally broken |
| 13:35.09 | rysiek | XorA: ah, right |
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| 13:35.30 | rysiek | XorA: ok, looking into backup options in the wiki... thanks. |
| 13:35.37 | dbmoodb_ | perhaps... |
| 13:36.09 | dbmoodb_ | good thing booting all of debian takes only 1 min |
| 13:36.25 | Dave | :D |
| 13:36.57 | Dave | Ecraven, are you still trying to get certain things working in that department, then? |
| 13:38.08 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03andy 07andy * rc7994820c491 10/board/neo1973/ (common/udc.c gta02/gta02.c): fix-broken-usb-handed-to-linux.patch |
| 13:38.09 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03andy 07andy * r8e307f5847af 10/ (common/cmd_bootm.c drivers/usb/usbdcore_s3c2410.c): fix-kill-endpoints-before-linux.patch |
| 13:38.10 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03andy 07andy * re8be8149e66a 10/drivers/ (serial/usbtty.c usb/usbdcore.c usb/usbdcore_s3c2410.c): fix-stop-sitting-printing-in-time-critical-context.patch |
| 13:38.10 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03andy 07andy * raa9b0ea7a1c9 10/board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c: fix-dont-do-i2c-with-irqs-off.patch |
| 13:38.13 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03simon.kagstrom 07andy * r64eb10cab805 10/board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c: environment-option-to-stop-in-menu.patch |
| 13:38.16 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03andy 07andy * r676aebf919b8 10/board/neo1973/gta02/pcf50633.c: fix-lcm-backlight-1A-current-limit.patch |
| 13:38.17 | Dave | kekeke |
| 13:38.19 | Dave | andyspam |
| 13:38.27 | dbmoodb_ | LinuxInit: Cannot open /dev/tty255 (No such file or directory) |
| 13:38.37 | nomeata | Hi. on FSO, how should this command line actually read: dbus-send --system --dest=org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable.Introspect |
| 13:39.12 | dbmoodb_ | apparently it is .. |
| 13:40.09 | dns53 | what is a good version of uboot to flash? |
| 13:40.12 | trickie|work | nomeata: on FSO id just use mdbus |
| 13:40.14 | trickie|work | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/mdbus |
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| 13:40.25 | trickie|work | nomeata: easier, less typing :) |
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| 13:41.20 | nomeata | trickie|work: well, itâs not really FSO, itâs debian trying to become FSO, but Iâll just package that |
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| 13:41.48 | dbmoodb | ah ? any ideas... |
| 13:42.31 | kdean06 | I see on the -dev list mention of an August 06 2008 image of 2008.08 but I don't see where to find this image, can anyone point me to it? |
| 13:43.01 | rysiek | one last question - where is the contact list being kept on the filesystem? in /home/root? |
| 13:44.05 | dbmoodb | ok nevermind fixed --- |
| 13:44.36 | kdean06 | Nevermind, I found them on the WIki. :) |
| 13:44.58 | ecraven | Dave: what department? |
| 13:45.01 | Dave | por joerg |
| 13:45.06 | Dave | ecraven, the debian department! |
| 13:45.07 | Dave | :) |
| 13:45.42 | ConfidentiaL | what is the terminal text editor called? |
| 13:46.08 | dns53 | vi? |
| 13:46.23 | ConfidentiaL | thx |
| 13:46.50 | dbmoodb | ecraven: ah... i'm getting some /dev/tty255 error |
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| 13:47.57 | ecraven | dbmoodb: as i said, startx -- vt1 |
| 13:48.03 | ecraven | Dave: aye, things work very well ;) |
| 13:48.07 | ecraven | but there is no good software ;( |
| 13:48.13 | Dave | aha, ;P |
| 13:48.15 | Dave | yeah |
| 13:48.16 | jOERG_rw | somebody caled my name :-D |
| 13:48.21 | Dave | Joerg - Yes! |
| 13:48.23 | Dave | :D |
| 13:48.30 | dbmoodb | idid that .. oh -- |
| 13:49.06 | dbmoodb | uch file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server |
| 13:49.10 | ecraven | what is the error exactly? |
| 13:49.11 | dbmoodb | sorry it was a |
| 13:49.18 | dbmoodb | uch file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server |
| 13:49.21 | dbmoodb | damn it |
| 13:49.27 | dbmoodb | error opening security policy file /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy |
| 13:49.27 | dbmoodb | Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 637 in kinput.c |
| 13:49.30 | dbmoodb | Failed to open TSLib device, tried /dev/ts /dev/touchscreen/0 . |
| 13:49.34 | Dave | Ecraven, so what can you do with it then, just use tango and vim? :) |
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| 13:50.05 | ecraven | dbmoodb: export TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event1 |
| 13:50.12 | bumbl | Dave: you can ssh to a phone; enough to play |
| 13:50.25 | dbmoodb | Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 637 in kinput.c |
| 13:50.30 | ceda | jOERG_rw: you're german right? Do you have UTF-8 working properly (thinking about umlauts, åäöà etc) |
| 13:50.44 | ecraven | dbmoodb: that warning is normal, not a problem |
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| 13:50.55 | jOERG_rw | Ãäääh, dürfte schon klappen |
| 13:50.58 | bumbl | bloody asu |
| 13:51.01 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r23d54a3de846 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-settings] Bump up the reversion of om-settings to 66 |
| 13:51.11 | jOERG_rw | not on FR though |
| 13:51.21 | jOERG_rw | never tried |
| 13:51.28 | ceda | jOERG_rw: I mean in the terminal on the openmoko :) (and I'm swedish and don't understand a word german, nicht gesprechen deucht) |
| 13:51.30 | dbmoodb | ok well that's great but i can't right click on it |
| 13:51.33 | dbmoodb | or open anything .. |
| 13:51.37 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc6e6abc5195e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [om-settings] Bump up the reversion of om-settings to 66 |
| 13:52.05 | ceda | jOERG_rw: I used ssh to the machine I'm IRC:ing from right now, but all umlauts was fubared so I guess it has something with locales on the FR to do |
| 13:52.24 | ceda | I'll bug report on trac after work (Mickey told med to) |
| 13:52.53 | jOERG_rw | yup, guess thats $locale, $lang etc |
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| 13:53.48 | jOERG_rw | but I had a look at `man locale` maybe years ago... and don't know much about sw-config |
| 13:54.21 | Dave | Joerg, freemyphone please :D |
| 13:54.48 | jOERG_rw | anyway, time to pack my things and have a taxidrive around 101-tower |
| 13:54.58 | Dave | :o |
| 13:55.25 | Dave | Well, maybe I can find another German here, then :P |
| 13:55.31 | jOERG_rw | err taxiride |
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| 13:55.47 | Dave | eyes bumble suspiciously. |
| 13:55.54 | ieatlint | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-localization.xml |
| 13:55.54 | nomeata | hmm. I think I installed gsm0710muxd correctly, but mdbus -s does not show it. system.d and services files are installed. any ideas? |
| 13:56.00 | Dave | LINT! |
| 13:56.05 | ieatlint | the instructions are essentially non-specific to gentoo |
| 13:56.15 | ieatlint | hey dave! |
| 13:56.18 | tkep | so, with om2008.8, anything i should know about ssh'ing in>? |
| 13:56.18 | Dave | Hey :) |
| 13:56.18 | jOERG_rw | [Whois] bumbl ist n=bumbl@91-113-117-96.adsl.highway.telekom.at (bumbl) |
| 13:56.19 | ecraven | dbmoodb: no right click, though it is possible to rig the aux button to create right clicks |
| 13:56.22 | tkep | because i can't now :( |
| 13:56.43 | Dave | Joerg, he is no german, then! :[ |
| 13:56.51 | Dave | hunts more germans |
| 13:56.52 | jOERG_rw | :-D |
| 13:56.55 | dbmoodb | ecraven: nice idea |
| 13:57.01 | dbmoodb | how so ? |
| 13:57.21 | jOERG_rw | .at sure isn't Germany ;-) |
| 13:57.27 | dbmoodb | i'm actually more concerned with wifi and voip (sound) |
| 13:57.27 | Dave | :P |
| 13:57.32 | bumbl | Dave: no I am not |
| 13:57.41 | Dave | Joerg, I get the impression that sometimes they wish they were, though ;) |
| 13:57.42 | bumbl | austria != germany |
| 13:57.46 | ieatlint | jOERG_rw, except when it comes time to name mozart as the best german composer ;) |
| 13:58.08 | jOERG_rw | yu |
| 13:58.11 | jOERG_rw | yup |
| 13:58.32 | Dave | :p |
| 13:58.39 | Dave | ieatlint, haha |
| 13:58.50 | Dave | bumble, what language do you speak though? :P |
| 13:58.58 | bumbl | we speek german |
| 13:59.17 | jOERG_rw | hmmmm ;-) |
| 13:59.24 | ieatlint | i question that, having heard schwarzenegger "speak german" |
| 13:59.39 | jOERG_rw | :D |
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| 14:01.02 | jOERG_rw | well there are actually even very few Germans speaking German. So nevermind ;-) |
| 14:01.26 | Dave | :P |
| 14:01.29 | ieatlint | haha, yeah |
| 14:01.35 | Dave | Joerg, fortunately, for us, I suppose, you are one of them :D |
| 14:01.39 | bumbl | but the last time austria = germany austria was called Ostmark |
| 14:01.41 | ieatlint | my german sucks, but i might have better grammar just the same |
| 14:01.48 | jOERG_rw | 1305 unread msgs :-/ |
| 14:01.53 | Dave | haha |
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| 14:01.55 | jOERG_rw | powers down laptop |
| 14:02.06 | Dave | Don't leave us, Joerg :( |
| 14:02.10 | rysiek | XorA: should I download jffs, jffs.summary or tar.gz? |
| 14:02.24 | rysiek | *jffs2.nosummary |
| 14:02.32 | XorA | rysiek: jffs2 |
| 14:02.34 | bumbl | Dave: what language do you speak? |
| 14:02.39 | Dave | hides |
| 14:02.48 | ieatlint | he speaks bad english |
| 14:02.57 | bumbl | english? so you are an englishman |
| 14:03.06 | rysiek | XorA: thanks |
| 14:03.06 | Dave | I SPEAK GRATE ENGLISCH! |
| 14:03.10 | jOERG_rw | pidgin :-D |
| 14:03.11 | ieatlint | he's no englishman |
| 14:03.27 | rysiek | OMG HE CAN HAS ENGILHS |
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| 14:03.35 | ieatlint | "me talk the english good" |
| 14:03.40 | Zork | Dave is a defector |
| 14:03.46 | Dave | :D :D :D |
| 14:03.51 | Dave | jajaja ;p |
| 14:03.55 | Dave | hei zorkman ;) |
| 14:03.56 | *** part/#openmoko belendax (n=belendax@unaffiliated/belendax) |
| 14:04.06 | jOERG_rw | all your base are belong to us |
| 14:04.08 | Zork | he was banned from here ;) |
| 14:04.17 | Dave | s'kjera? |
| 14:04.30 | ieatlint | Der Dativ ist dem Genitiv sein Tod |
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| 14:04.56 | Dave | Oh man, compound german words are so amusing. |
| 14:05.01 | bumbl | ieatlint: ja leider |
| 14:05.07 | ieatlint | :) |
| 14:05.10 | Dave | way better than those incomprehensible Finnish ones. |
| 14:05.31 | jOERG_rw | bye, bbl |
| 14:05.34 | Zork | true, plus in germany, everything is "geil" :-D |
| 14:05.36 | Dave | Bye Joerg! |
| 14:05.40 | Zork | bye jörg |
| 14:05.44 | bumbl | tschüss |
| 14:05.45 | SpeedEvil | Wave. |
| 14:05.47 | Dave | Don't forget to read your msgs! :P |
| 14:05.52 | Dave | Speedevil? |
| 14:06.11 | Dave | snakkes |
| 14:06.22 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd9b731099af6 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: ousaged: Make the Bluetooth device actually (de-)activate bluetooth |
| 14:06.38 | ieatlint | Zork, what happens when an idiot translates things into english: http://picasaweb.google.com/ieatlint/Alt/photo#4984514648119050258 |
| 14:06.43 | Dave | Terminatored! |
| 14:06.43 | ieatlint | (from geil) |
| 14:07.11 | Dave | Ieatlint, what happens? your head explodes? |
| 14:07.24 | Zork | lol :) |
| 14:07.25 | ieatlint | interesting choice of words |
| 14:07.31 | Dave | your laughter organ overloads? |
| 14:08.24 | Zork | this is also nice: http://rahoi.com/2006/03/may-i-take-your-order/ |
| 14:08.32 | Dave | o.O |
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| 14:08.43 | bumbl | wonders what would be the correct translation |
| 14:09.05 | matholio | any way to get the 200808 to connect via usb ? |
| 14:09.09 | Zork | probably something even nastier :) |
| 14:09.14 | matholio | does it use the same addy ? |
| 14:09.25 | Dave | -Zorkman- hou je van barbecuen? :P |
| 14:09.30 | ieatlint | fine, but do they have the smartest servants in town and horny sandwiches? |
| 14:09.33 | Zork | jup I do Dave |
| 14:09.37 | Dave | :D |
| 14:10.42 | Zork | ieatlint: who needs that shit when they have fragrant egg plant in fish pot?? that shit is da bomb! :) |
| 14:11.04 | XorA | matholio: what do you mean by 200808 |
| 14:11.10 | ieatlint | what are some cool apps that don't require internet access to demo the phone? |
| 14:11.15 | Dave | :P |
| 14:11.18 | Zork | Xora: he means the ASU probably |
| 14:11.18 | bumbl | hmm we should create a chan like #openmoko-chat |
| 14:11.30 | ieatlint | XorA, asu has been renamed |
| 14:11.31 | Dave | Xora, August 2008 |
| 14:11.33 | Zork | ieatlint: epiano |
| 14:11.34 | Dave | :O |
| 14:11.37 | rysiek | gtg, cu all |
| 14:11.39 | Dave | ieatlint, it has!? |
| 14:11.49 | Dave | August Software Update? |
| 14:11.50 | Dave | :P |
| 14:11.57 | Zork | ieatlint: vmware monkey island 2 |
| 14:11.58 | XorA | as an OM employee is well aware of ASU name, but that is 2008.8, where buildhost has a directory called 200808 |
| 14:12.09 | Dave | bumble, more like #openmoko-comfort :P |
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| 14:12.18 | Zork | yeah I know you work at openmoko, it was a joke |
| 14:12.26 | Dave | to console all the poor gullible people who bought this device thinking it would be a functional phone. |
| 14:12.48 | Dave | Zork XD |
| 14:12.54 | Zork | ieatlint: tangogps |
| 14:13.00 | XorA | terminates Zork for humour |
| 14:13.05 | Dave | :O |
| 14:13.08 | Zork | ieatlintnumptyphysics |
| 14:13.27 | gargoyle_grin | >.O |
| 14:13.34 | Zork | goddamn, gregory probably has mu IMEI number and will nuke it when II opkg upgrade or flash it... |
| 14:13.35 | ieatlint | yeah, tangogps won't cut it... no signal |
| 14:14.00 | Zork | ieatling: for numptyphysics best have a pop-up button for keyboard |
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| 14:14.06 | Dave | opkg murder |
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| 14:14.26 | bumbl | numptyphysik is nice |
| 14:14.36 | bumbl | but I fail most of the time |
| 14:14.43 | Dave | frans ~_~ |
| 14:15.01 | Dave | zork, wat are you talking about? :D |
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| 14:15.07 | Dave | numpty? |
| 14:15.15 | Dave | num num numpty? |
| 14:15.21 | bumbl | <- afk |
| 14:15.22 | gargoyle_grin | Numpty Dumpty sat on a wall? |
| 14:15.24 | bumbl | resting |
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| 14:15.31 | Zork | Dave: numptyphysics is a game, a sort of clone of crayon physics |
| 14:15.36 | Zork | dave: install it now! :) |
| 14:15.40 | Zork | you'll like it |
| 14:15.41 | Dave | o_O |
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| 14:15.48 | Dave | weer do I get it? :D |
| 14:16.08 | Zork | opkg install numptyphysics works i think (or are you running debian also?) |
| 14:16.24 | Dave | :P |
| 14:16.25 | Zork | http://wwwpub.zih.tu-dresden.de/~mkluge/numptyphysics_0.2_armv4t.ipk |
| 14:16.28 | Dave | Not on most of my phones :D |
| 14:16.30 | Dave | ooooooh |
| 14:16.35 | Dave | more german pride? :P |
| 14:16.50 | Zork | they couldn't take over eurpe so they decided to take over cyberspace |
| 14:17.10 | Zork | Dave: you should check #neo1973-germany you could make a lot of german jokes there :p |
| 14:17.29 | Dave | :o |
| 14:17.35 | Zork | I'm glad they're there though, they made a few beautiful things (including epiano, which i very much like) |
| 14:17.38 | Dave | haha |
| 14:17.44 | Dave | yeah :P |
| 14:17.48 | Dave | epiano? :o |
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| 14:18.12 | Zork | http://www.neo1973-germany.de/wiki/epiano |
| 14:18.18 | Dave | We need to change the splashscreen image -_- |
| 14:18.37 | Zork | http://gstaedtner.net/projects/epiano/epiano_0.0.1-r1_armv4t.ipk (source tarball also available of course) |
| 14:19.24 | Dave | Zorkman, do you have a project page for that numpty thing too? :P |
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| 14:20.01 | Zork | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=638 |
| 14:20.04 | Zork | I have it all :) |
| 14:20.13 | Zork | except the knowledge to do something useful :) |
| 14:20.20 | Dave | :o |
| 14:20.23 | Dave | jejeje |
| 14:20.50 | dns53 | where do you get sdl> |
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| 14:21.04 | Dave | dns, from the package repository |
| 14:21.14 | dbmoodb | mocd |
| 14:21.22 | dns53 | not in the asu i don't think |
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| 14:21.28 | Dave | heh |
| 14:22.43 | dns53 | oh it's there but the names are broken |
| 14:22.58 | Dave | libsdl-1.2-0 |
| 14:23.48 | Zork | his original screenprotector is beyond repair and still waiting for a new one :( |
| 14:23.59 | Dave | awww |
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| 14:24.08 | Dave | yeah, am in need of a neew one |
| 14:24.13 | Dave | kittens scratch screens! |
| 14:24.27 | Dave | wonders if Speedevil's product is cat-proof :P |
| 14:24.35 | dns53 | what one are you using? |
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| 14:24.51 | Zork | i went for the invisibleshield |
| 14:24.59 | Dave | haha |
| 14:24.59 | dns53 | full one? |
| 14:25.11 | Dave | dns, I installed them all. |
| 14:25.20 | Zork | yeah (dollar is low :)) but not sure if i will use full one, screen is a must though |
| 14:25.33 | Dave | Zork, phone condom. |
| 14:25.40 | Zork | safety first! |
| 14:25.51 | Dave | before you get down 'n dirty! |
| 14:25.53 | Dave | :D |
| 14:25.59 | dns53 | how do you restart a level in numphysics |
| 14:26.05 | Dave | ;o |
| 14:26.06 | Zork | press r |
| 14:26.23 | Zork | e for edit, p for previous, n for next, enter/space for pause |
| 14:26.46 | sakkara | i just installed openmoko with qemu, but the qtopia image seems to not do much |
| 14:27.06 | Dave | How do I install it? :P |
| 14:27.22 | Zork | opkg install :P |
| 14:27.38 | Dave | needs more german |
| 14:28.03 | Zork | you can draw a german and/or a cowbell in the program |
| 14:28.12 | Dave | COWBELL! |
| 14:28.15 | Dave | MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 14:28.21 | Dave | :D |
| 14:28.33 | dbmoodb | ecraven: how do you get the keyboard to pop up ? |
| 14:28.42 | Dave | Holy shit, my opkg cache is bigger than the phone. |
| 14:28.59 | sakkara | are there no apps in om/qtopia? |
| 14:29.07 | Zork | thats why you need the full body protection: to keep the opkg cashe inside |
| 14:29.21 | Zork | sakkara, there are a lot of apps in om/qtopia |
| 14:29.42 | Zork | dbmoodb: the instructions are on the wiki and on the mailinglist |
| 14:29.42 | Dave | :P |
| 14:29.58 | Dave | zork, just not all of them work [well[ ;P |
| 14:30.10 | sakkara | Zork: but i can't do anything after qtopia boots in qemu |
| 14:30.28 | Zork | yeah i had the same thing, had to use a 2007.2 image |
| 14:30.50 | Zork | there is a good page (not on the wiki of course...) about it... somewhere.... on the internets... |
| 14:30.58 | ecraven | dbmoodb: i added a button with mb-applet-launcher |
| 14:31.01 | sakkara | lol |
| 14:31.03 | Zork | i'll do a quick google but i don't promise anything |
| 14:31.15 | sakkara | 2007.2 sounds old |
| 14:31.32 | sakkara | thx |
| 14:32.11 | Dave | opkg install --all awesome games :D |
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| 14:32.42 | Dave | fucking opkg, using up all my memories :( |
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| 14:33.19 | Zork | sakkara: so does Lili Marleen, but that is german and built to last! :) |
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| 14:40.13 | sakkara | Zork: ok, np |
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| 14:43.23 | dbmoodb | ecraven: so we just use xorg / apps from the chroot in another distros ? |
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| 14:44.51 | ecraven | no, i install everything i want in debian. i'll try the python framework too when it's done ;) |
| 14:45.17 | dbmoodb | ecraven: ?' |
| 14:45.31 | ecraven | apt-get install ... ? |
| 14:45.32 | Dave | :P |
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| 14:46.12 | dbmoodb | yeah i know but i want to use the apps from another distro |
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| 14:46.22 | dbmoodb | as well as from debian |
| 14:46.35 | ecraven | that might be problematic, if you don't have the exact same libraries |
| 14:46.37 | Dave | Zorkman, more games please! |
| 14:46.51 | Zork | mmm |
| 14:46.53 | dbmoodb | ecraven: can't i tunnel x over ssh ? |
| 14:46.53 | Zork | kobodeluxe? |
| 14:46.58 | Dave | no, it sucks :( |
| 14:47.03 | Dave | and the phone already has it! |
| 14:47.09 | Dave | Give me more... |
| 14:47.15 | Dave | MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER! |
| 14:47.25 | Zork | gemdropx |
| 14:47.31 | ecraven | dbmoodb: yes, you could run applications inside the chroot (you don't even need ssh forwarding for that) |
| 14:47.42 | Dave | gemdrop? sounds like an awful popcap game. |
| 14:47.54 | ecraven | but then you couldn't access your "normal" directories, for example |
| 14:47.55 | Zork | not very user friendly because you have to pop the keboard up and hit a all and then pop it down, but it is playable |
| 14:47.59 | ecraven | have to run, see you later ;) |
| 14:48.16 | Dave | Bye Ecraven :[ |
| 14:48.29 | Dave | Zork, eww |
| 14:48.34 | Dave | that sounds awful! :D |
| 14:48.54 | Zork | supertux, but you need a keyboard for that too... :( |
| 14:48.55 | Dave | I need a tiny collapsable bt kb, if they're cheap and don't suck terribly |
| 14:48.59 | Zork | i also have tetris :) |
| 14:49.24 | Dave | what game? |
| 14:49.35 | Zork | gpe tetris |
| 14:49.41 | Zork | but as you can guess: keyboard... |
| 14:49.50 | Dave | -_- |
| 14:49.52 | Dave | sucky |
| 14:50.16 | Zork | e piano could be modified to make a kind of "simon says" game, where you have to replay it (for little children) |
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| 14:50.29 | Dave | the biggest fail of the keyboard, other than the impossibly tiny keys is that it takes up >35% of the screen real-estate (if you're using matchbox) |
| 14:50.34 | Dave | so if half your screen is gone, wtf |
| 14:50.34 | Zork | and all the scummvm games |
| 14:50.50 | Zork | tetris gpe only takes half your screen i think, need to check it though |
| 14:50.51 | Dave | zorkman, do you run scummvm on it? |
| 14:51.02 | Zork | i did when i had the asu installed |
| 14:51.08 | Dave | oh :\ |
| 14:51.10 | Zork | (it was possible in landscape mode) |
| 14:51.20 | Dave | possible, but fucked up? :x |
| 14:51.23 | Zork | on 2007.2 there is still that wrong offset thing... |
| 14:51.32 | Dave | ah, yeah, with the pointer? :p |
| 14:51.33 | Zork | nope, possible and usable |
| 14:51.44 | Dave | the "x" problem :p |
| 14:51.50 | Dave | usable :O |
| 14:51.55 | Zork | jup |
| 14:51.56 | Dave | too bad the rest of ASU isn't usuable, huh? ;) |
| 14:52.32 | Zork | monkey island worked, i only didn't have a pop-up keyboard then in the asu (i edited the edj file but it would work..) so you couldn't go back to the menu |
| 14:52.35 | Dave | Zork so it runs fine then on GTK, just can't do landscape properly? |
| 14:52.36 | baird | There was a palm-graffiti stroke input clone being developed? |
| 14:52.46 | Zork | Dave: havent tried it yet |
| 14:52.54 | Dave | why would you need a keyboard for mki1-2? |
| 14:53.07 | Zork | nope, no keyboard required, just to go back to the menu... |
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| 14:53.13 | Dave | right |
| 14:53.16 | Dave | menu? |
| 14:53.23 | Zork | to quit scummvm |
| 14:53.28 | Dave | OH |
| 14:53.29 | Dave | :P |
| 14:53.47 | Zork | it can also be usefull to skip the intro and such, withouth the kb i had to watch the whole intro :) |
| 14:54.01 | Zork | i ran indiana jones 4 also on it, but withouth keyboard that seemed pretty useless |
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| 14:54.39 | Dave | uhh, the link on the epiano site to gstaedtner 404's ~_~ |
| 14:54.45 | Zork | io think ecraven or edistar modified a game name steel fighter (or fighting steel or whatever) so he could do a right-button click |
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| 14:54.47 | Dave | zork, haha, nice |
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| 14:55.03 | Dave | sounds awesome :D |
| 14:55.19 | Zork | jup and the screen/sound quality was also nice |
| 14:55.38 | Dave | wow, :D |
| 14:55.43 | Dave | That's very encouraging :) |
| 14:55.49 | Dave | I can't wait to try it. |
| 14:55.56 | Dave | I hope there isn't an awful amount of configuration required though ;) |
| 14:56.09 | Zork | nope, almost none |
| 14:56.17 | Dave | :D |
| 14:56.20 | Dave | awesome |
| 14:56.33 | Dave | If only my freerunner had enough space though :P |
| 14:56.36 | Dave | haha |
| 14:56.38 | Zork | opkg install scummvm, edit the desktop file, copy game directory to FR, add game in scummvm, launch :) |
| 14:56.50 | Zork | how much freespace you have? |
| 14:56.58 | Dave | uhh |
| 14:57.04 | Zork | dave: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/epiano_0.3.1-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 14:57.04 | Dave | 11M? :) |
| 14:57.08 | Zork | ouch :) |
| 14:57.18 | Dave | oh, and thanks |
| 14:57.46 | Zork | np |
| 14:57.57 | Bubbi | You can't install it on the SD card..? |
| 14:57.58 | Dave | holy crap that epaino app is HUGE |
| 14:58.09 | Dave | Bubbi, that's what's free ON the sd card :P |
| 14:58.11 | Bubbi | Or don't you have any room there either..? |
| 14:58.13 | Bubbi | haha |
| 14:58.16 | Bubbi | my bad.. :P |
| 14:58.17 | Dave | out of 8G |
| 14:58.19 | Dave | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.22 | Dave | haha yeah |
| 14:58.26 | Dave | I need dual SD cards |
| 14:58.28 | Dave | :P |
| 14:58.30 | dingman | anyone know the proper opkg repos for ASU daily 2008-08-06? |
| 14:58.56 | Zork | Dave: mini usb to usb adaptor and a usbstick of 32gig would solve the problem :) |
| 14:59.09 | Dave | :D |
| 14:59.13 | Dave | why stop at 32G? |
| 14:59.21 | Bubbi | because of the money..? :D |
| 14:59.23 | Dave | :D |
| 14:59.28 | Dave | Who cares about money! |
| 14:59.29 | Zork | because i havent seen 32+gig in promotion here :) |
| 14:59.32 | Dave | USB HDD? |
| 14:59.33 | Dave | :D |
| 14:59.42 | Bubbi | Dave: .. unfortunately the bank.. :( ;) |
| 14:59.44 | Zork | yeah but usb hdd need external powersource mostly.. |
| 14:59.50 | Dave | Bubbi, good point :P |
| 14:59.54 | Dave | zork, yeah :P |
| 14:59.56 | Dave | fine fine |
| 15:00.02 | Dave | I'll stick to 32GB usb drive |
| 15:00.03 | Dave | :) |
| 15:00.13 | Dave | I'm pretty sure that's more than I need anyway, for just freerunner stuff |
| 15:00.14 | Zork | Dave is in america, maybe his bank will go bancrupt :) |
| 15:00.26 | Dave | you could RAID it with an ipod, or is that just horribly wrong? :P |
| 15:00.40 | torindel | Dave: get usb hub and a lot of 32gb usb sticks ;] |
| 15:00.44 | Bubbi | so.. is the ASU/2008.08 image about mature enough to be used as the primary OS..? |
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| 15:00.49 | Zork | was thinking the exact same thing torindel :) |
| 15:01.25 | Dave | torindel, will do. |
| 15:01.39 | Dave | Currenly my USB hub is giving USB CAM and USB WIFI to the freerunner though :) |
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| 15:02.04 | torindel | Dave: usb wifi? |
| 15:02.11 | Zork | any a clue how much energy a usbstick uses? |
| 15:02.22 | Dave | yes |
| 15:02.36 | Dave | zork, not much if it does nothing ^^ |
| 15:02.36 | Zork | and cares to share this knowledge |
| 15:02.39 | Dave | ;) |
| 15:02.42 | Dave | sekretz |
| 15:03.24 | Dave | hrm |
| 15:03.30 | Dave | scuuuuuuuuuuuuuum |
| 15:04.13 | Dave | Zorkman, was there another version of this numpty thing, you mentioned earlier? |
| 15:04.25 | torindel | numpty is evil |
| 15:04.34 | torindel | it steals your time |
| 15:04.37 | torindel | ;] |
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| 15:05.13 | Zork | euhm not that i know of.... |
| 15:05.17 | Zork | i just opkg installed it |
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| 15:05.40 | Zork | ah the other version is crayon physics, the original, but that is win32 only i think |
| 15:06.14 | Dave | yes |
| 15:06.25 | Dave | so Scummvm, I just want the opie version? o.O |
| 15:06.44 | froksen | Anyone who can tell if the new ASU release has made the phone much more stabile? |
| 15:07.03 | froksen | thinks that the new interface looks very interesting :-) |
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| 15:07.31 | Torikun | Hello |
| 15:07.36 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r4d80c8770f42 10/odeviced/src/plugins/idlenotifier/idlenotifier.vala: fix arguments to IOFunc, NOTE: still segfaults |
| 15:07.41 | Dave | Hallo ^^ |
| 15:07.44 | Zork | hello Torikin, please identify yourself |
| 15:07.47 | Dave | Zorkman |
| 15:07.49 | Torikun | I just did an upgrade and the screen is stuck on "Open Moko Please Wait" |
| 15:07.57 | Dave | aha, yes |
| 15:08.04 | Torikun | Hey zork |
| 15:08.04 | Dave | fucked up kernel |
| 15:08.07 | ieatlint | that's a feature |
| 15:08.08 | Zork | indeed |
| 15:08.11 | Dave | Must flash |
| 15:08.12 | froksen | hehe xD |
| 15:08.12 | Dave | :[ |
| 15:08.18 | Zork | sometimes the devs have a bad they and they work it out on us ;) |
| 15:08.25 | Dave | I unfortunately experienced that too, recently. |
| 15:08.33 | weatherhead | when's the latest kernel that's working |
| 15:08.34 | Dave | s/they/day/ |
| 15:08.41 | weatherhead | I upgraded mine yesterday and this happened |
| 15:08.45 | Dave | hehe |
| 15:08.57 | Dave | Zorkman :( |
| 15:09.02 | Zork | Torikun ou could check the mailinglists, almost everyday there are a few posts om something like this |
| 15:09.24 | Zork | (if you wait a long while, does the loading screen go away and does ik show something like "freeing int 128") |
| 15:09.24 | Torikun | Sure |
| 15:09.27 | Dave | ooh la la |
| 15:09.36 | Dave | This time opkg returned with an error code of 3! |
| 15:09.37 | Torikun | Yes |
| 15:09.40 | Torikun | Zork: Yes |
| 15:09.42 | Dave | it failed harder. |
| 15:09.43 | Zork | 3! that's new! |
| 15:09.47 | Dave | :P |
| 15:09.51 | Dave | I know, right? :P |
| 15:10.08 | Dave | Anyway, zork, how am I supposed to install this shit? |
| 15:10.24 | Dave | none of the dependencies can be met :p |
| 15:10.33 | Dave | Do THEY have repos for this stuff? |
| 15:11.17 | froksen | Does any of you use the FR as their Primary phone? |
| 15:11.18 | Zork | how should i know? it worked on my ASU and it works on my 2007.2 also |
| 15:11.26 | Dave | Zork :'( |
| 15:11.36 | Dave | I get dependemcy issues |
| 15:11.49 | Zork | which ones? |
| 15:11.55 | Zork | maybe i can send you those ipk's also |
| 15:11.56 | Dave | libsdl libsdl-image for numptyphysics (even though it's installed and up-to-date) |
| 15:12.06 | Dave | and libfluidsynth1 for epani |
| 15:12.08 | Dave | epiano |
| 15:12.08 | Zork | ah, that's no problem, i'll tell you |
| 15:12.35 | Zork | dave: |
| 15:12.35 | Zork | opkg install libsdl-1.2-0 libsdl-image-1.2-0 |
| 15:12.36 | Zork | opkg install -force-depends |
| 15:12.36 | Zork | http://wwwpub.zih.tu-dresden.de/~mkluge/numptyphysics_0.2_armv4t.ipk |
| 15:13.23 | Dave | also lollerdownloads@openmoko.org |
| 15:13.33 | Dave | haha |
| 15:13.34 | Dave | yeah :P |
| 15:13.44 | Zork | and for the epiano: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/libfluidsynth1_1.0.8-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 15:13.53 | Zork | that rabenfrost feed is very usefull |
| 15:14.02 | Dave | :O |
| 15:14.04 | Dave | gimme! |
| 15:14.05 | Dave | rawr |
| 15:14.13 | ieatlint | i got a pdf viewer working... yay |
| 15:14.19 | Dave | ^_^ |
| 15:14.27 | Dave | is it as awesome as you dreamed, lint? |
| 15:14.35 | Zork | Dave: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/celtune-rabenfrost.conf |
| 15:14.48 | Zork | Dave: you need to delete the GTA01 lines though if you use a freerunner |
| 15:14.49 | ieatlint | no, it actually took about a minute for it to load the pdf and i thought it crashed... but once loaded, i can browse it pretty smoothly |
| 15:14.59 | Zork | ieatlint: can i has it? |
| 15:15.07 | ieatlint | i also tried installing lbreakout2.... sadly, it cannot fit on the screen :( |
| 15:15.13 | ieatlint | (portrait or landscape) |
| 15:15.23 | ieatlint | Zork, it's on the repo you just linked |
| 15:15.25 | ieatlint | epdfviewer |
| 15:15.38 | Tanuva | Zork: should/may I leave the neo1973 line in it? |
| 15:15.58 | Zork | ieatlint: maybe this is what you need: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/brickout/ |
| 15:16.05 | ieatlint | Zork, take a look at midori on that repo too, it's a webkit browser that a friend of mine loves on other platforms... i've no the time right now |
| 15:16.16 | Zork | Tanuva: i can't force you, but i i where you i would delete it ;) |
| 15:16.22 | dbmoodb | ieatlint: i heard ms makes it |
| 15:16.43 | Tanuva | Zork: okay, just wondering if its only gta01 or also the 1973 one to delete :D |
| 15:16.50 | Zork | both |
| 15:16.56 | Zork | i think :) |
| 15:16.58 | Zork | i'll check on my device |
| 15:17.08 | ieatlint | dbmoodb, it's webkit |
| 15:17.09 | Marcel_M | ieatlint: lbreakout2 should work in fullscreen mode |
| 15:17.21 | Zork | (jup i deleted that one also) |
| 15:17.33 | Tanuva | good |
| 15:17.55 | dbmoodb | just kidding ;0 |
| 15:17.56 | ieatlint | well, i suppose my ability to get to fullscreen mode in fso is limited then |
| 15:18.23 | Tanuva | Zork: you saved me! there's the gtk+ update comin' I need for python-pygtk! :D |
| 15:18.37 | Torikun | When I start my phone, it shows "Please wait" and never loads. WHen I press a button, it goes to console and GUI never comes back. Any ideas? |
| 15:19.10 | teprrr | Torikun, do you have openmoko-session2 or similar installed? |
| 15:19.19 | Dave | zork, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 15:19.22 | Dave | shit :P |
| 15:19.22 | Torikun | not sure |
| 15:19.23 | Marcel_M | ieatlint: i've just tested it on 2007.2 |
| 15:19.34 | Dave | :P |
| 15:19.46 | Dave | Hallo Tanuva :D |
| 15:19.59 | ieatlint | in landscape mode on FSO, the enlightenment task bar thingy is still at the top, and you just barely can't see the paddle at the bottom |
| 15:20.04 | ieatlint | runs smoothly though |
| 15:20.05 | Zork | ieatlint: i installed lbreakout2, but i don't have a desktop file nor can i find where it is installed |
| 15:20.09 | Tanuva | Dave: moin |
| 15:20.24 | Dave | man, you all suck, I'm making my own feed, and it's going to be cooler than all of your feeds! |
| 15:20.26 | teprrr | Torikun, have you removed some packages from your installation? |
| 15:20.28 | ieatlint | Zork, it installed in my path ... /usr/bin/lbreakout2 |
| 15:20.33 | teprrr | Torikun, openmoko-session2 - 1.0-r69 - Custom Matchbox session files for Openmoko |
| 15:20.36 | ieatlint | but yeah, no menu item was created |
| 15:20.39 | Dave | ALL YOUR FEEDS ARE BELONG TO ME! |
| 15:20.44 | Torikun | no |
| 15:20.47 | Torikun | session2 is installed |
| 15:20.52 | teprrr | Torikun, removial of that package caused my 1973 not to open the ui |
| 15:20.56 | teprrr | ah, ok |
| 15:20.59 | Tanuva | looks for feed shelter |
| 15:21.00 | teprrr | can't help you then, sorry :( |
| 15:21.00 | torindel | Dave: ALL YOUR MOKO'S ARE BELONG TO ME! |
| 15:21.02 | Zork | ieatlint:i just opkg installed it but there is nothing resemblin lbreakout in my usr/bin filder |
| 15:21.31 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 15:21.42 | ieatlint | i got it from that repo, and it installed to /usr/bin |
| 15:21.43 | Dave | D: |
| 15:21.48 | ieatlint | perhaps the install failed? |
| 15:21.55 | Torikun | TeringTuby: package is installed |
| 15:22.24 | Torikun | the lock screen goes up after 30 seconds, just the interface never loads up |
| 15:22.25 | Dave | perhaps it's fucked up? :D |
| 15:22.50 | Dave | Why is my Freerunner so slow? |
| 15:22.55 | torindel | Torikun: just flash other image? |
| 15:23.00 | Torikun | lol |
| 15:23.03 | Torikun | I just upgraded lol |
| 15:23.12 | torindel | happens |
| 15:23.14 | Zork | Dave: because you only have a few MB free? :p |
| 15:23.25 | ieatlint | Dave, because you need another one... if you put two together, they're twice as fast! |
| 15:23.53 | Dave | ieatlint, I have six stacked, one on top of the other here |
| 15:24.00 | Dave | It's not making them go any faster :p |
| 15:24.05 | Dave | or at least... the top one! :o |
| 15:24.08 | ieatlint | oh, well, yeah, 6 is too many |
| 15:24.13 | Dave | :( |
| 15:24.17 | Dave | diminishing returns? |
| 15:24.19 | ieatlint | i've 2 stacked here, and they're speeding |
| 15:24.26 | Dave | bastard! :p |
| 15:24.40 | Dave | Zorkman, what desktop file did I need to edit, and for what? :P |
| 15:24.52 | Dave | numpty? epaino? scumm? |
| 15:24.56 | Dave | :P |
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| 15:25.22 | Zork | dave: scumm; but only on the asu, because to show up it has to have the right category |
| 15:25.38 | Zork | (and a valid icon) |
| 15:26.13 | Dave | OH, okay :P |
| 15:26.58 | Dave | zomg |
| 15:27.14 | Dave | wonders how many of the packages from that celtune repo will actually work under gtk |
| 15:27.16 | ieatlint | ok, off to linuxworld, cya guys |
| 15:27.23 | Torikun | ieatlint: you in sf? |
| 15:27.25 | Torikun | I will be there later |
| 15:27.30 | Torikun | at the expo |
| 15:27.33 | ieatlint | i live here :) |
| 15:27.35 | Torikun | me 2 |
| 15:27.36 | Torikun | lol |
| 15:27.42 | Dave | omg liek kewl! |
| 15:27.44 | ieatlint | am volunteering at the booth |
| 15:27.58 | Torikun | What booth |
| 15:28.02 | ieatlint | openmoko |
| 15:28.08 | Torikun | Cool. |
| 15:28.15 | Zork | ieatlint: it works here and isn't too big in landscape mode |
| 15:28.16 | Torikun | I will try to stop buy |
| 15:28.20 | Dave | maybe I'll stop by and surprise you! |
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| 15:28.23 | Dave | muwahahah |
| 15:28.23 | Torikun | can you fix my neo lol |
| 15:28.26 | Dave | :D |
| 15:28.30 | Dave | Pimp my freerunner! |
| 15:28.31 | ieatlint | i'll be the young white guy in the black openmoko shirt... |
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| 15:28.39 | Chox | Dave! |
| 15:28.40 | ieatlint | Zork, fso? |
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| 15:28.56 | Zork | nope, 2007.2 |
| 15:29.22 | Dave | Chox! |
| 15:29.24 | ieatlint | yeah, lbreakout2 isn't worth me switching back to 2007.2 :P |
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| 15:29.38 | Dave | ieatlint, so, what then? |
| 15:29.38 | ieatlint | Torikun, bring it to the show, i'll have my laptop and an array of images |
| 15:29.43 | Torikun | Sweet |
| 15:29.46 | Torikun | Thanks |
| 15:29.54 | Dave | But will you have an array of freerunners! ;) |
| 15:29.59 | ieatlint | ok, i gtg... cya |
| 15:30.04 | Torikun | later |
| 15:30.16 | ieatlint | Dave, they have 5 demo models |
| 15:30.24 | Zork | ieatlint: but you need to manually enable fullscreen |
| 15:30.41 | ieatlint | Zork, fso is different |
| 15:30.47 | ieatlint | there is no toggle to enable fullscreen |
| 15:30.49 | Dave | Oh and just a 411, there may be a major tango commit soon ;) |
| 15:30.57 | Dave | But you didn't hear it from me :P |
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| 15:31.13 | ieatlint | ok, seriously now, bye |
| 15:31.30 | Zork | ieatlint: wait |
| 15:31.33 | Dave | kicks ieatlint out the door |
| 15:31.36 | Zork | you can click fullscreen in the game menu |
| 15:31.46 | Zork | but anyway: bye |
| 15:31.54 | Chox | sits by himself, in San Diego |
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| 15:32.30 | Dave | aww :p |
| 15:32.59 | Chox | declares the Wiki slightly less full of crap than it was 2 weeks ago |
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| 15:34.06 | Zork | dave lbreakout2 works nice |
| 15:34.15 | Chox | lb2 - old skool! |
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| 15:35.41 | Dave | Zork I thought you just all said it didn't... |
| 15:35.47 | Dave | Chox :] |
| 15:36.00 | Zork | when ? |
| 15:36.19 | spdr_ | is it the matchbox keyboard that is normal ? |
| 15:36.33 | Dave | default? no. |
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| 15:38.05 | Dave | has a matchbox stroke |
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| 15:38.23 | Chox | sets fire to Dave with his matches |
| 15:38.35 | Dave | IGNITION! |
| 15:38.44 | Chox | *FOOOM!* |
| 15:39.48 | Dave | whee |
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| 15:40.23 | Chox | so, someone has made good progress on haxx0ring Roku Netflix box. whee. |
| 15:42.12 | Dave | oh man, this is hilarious. |
| 15:42.22 | Chox | you, dancing naked? |
| 15:42.45 | Zork | is there a way to check how much energy the freerunner is using at the moment? |
| 15:42.48 | Dave | The datestamps for these packages are inversely proportional to their svn revision numbers. |
| 15:42.53 | Dave | IS THIS WHAT FOREIGNERS DO!? |
| 15:42.54 | Chox | laffs. |
| 15:43.00 | SpeedEvil | Zork: bomb calorimeter. |
| 15:43.24 | Dave | as the revision numbers go up, the dates go backwards. |
| 15:43.52 | Chox | Dave: you're upside down. |
| 15:43.59 | Chox | invert yourself, and carry on |
| 15:44.15 | Dave | -_- |
| 15:44.48 | Dave | Does navit even work yet? |
| 15:44.59 | Chox | puts on his dubious face. |
| 15:45.08 | Dave | As I suspected... :p |
| 15:45.17 | Chox | I don't have a clue, but it's a good face. |
| 15:45.23 | Dave | admires Chocky's dubious face. |
| 15:45.56 | Zork | dave: i launches, gets a fix and you can see the osm maps |
| 15:46.01 | Zork | *chox i mean |
| 15:46.23 | dbmoodb | :) ;) |
| 15:46.25 | Zork | couldn't get my garmin maps running though... they appear in the list, but i see nothing on the map |
| 15:46.29 | dbmoodb | just use osm |
| 15:47.22 | Chox | well, I have no idea about "current" stuff. did an opkg update on 2007.2 snapshot yesterday, and it bust my opkg update. |
| 15:47.25 | Zork | dbmoodb: for navigation: i can't |
| 15:47.34 | Chox | and I'm not sure if I want to try 2008.8 |
| 15:47.43 | Chox | and my FSO build is bust. |
| 15:47.43 | Chox | so, yeah. |
| 15:47.45 | Zork | dbmoodb: here OSM is in a very early stage |
| 15:48.30 | Chox | the FSO build is looking for a cross g77. To build freetype! |
| 15:48.38 | Torikun | anyoone else in SanFran? |
| 15:48.44 | Chox | I don't have a native g77, which may be part of the problem. |
| 15:49.18 | Chox | man, OM build system blows chunks. |
| 15:49.26 | alphaone | Chox: Are you sure that g77 is the problem? |
| 15:49.35 | Chox | no, but that's my best guess. |
| 15:49.49 | Chox | I don't have the log to hand, but the failure is clearly it trying to run a cross g77 |
| 15:50.29 | alphaone | is cairo the problem, by any chance? |
| 15:50.57 | alphaone | ah, wait |
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| 15:51.35 | Dave | opkg install cool games :( |
| 15:51.38 | Dave | error |
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| 15:52.12 | alphaone | Chox: Well, without the log I cant |
| 15:52.17 | spdr | hmm quick question |
| 15:52.17 | alphaone | really help you |
| 15:52.35 | spdr | is my FR supposed to turn itself on and freeze when i connect it to the charger? :( |
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| 15:52.49 | Zork | what is wrong with lb2 Dave? |
| 15:52.59 | Dave | :D |
| 15:53.12 | dingman | spdr, if so, mine's broken ;) |
| 15:53.14 | Dave | Zorkman, well, for starters, you and lint spent the morning telling me how broken it was. |
| 15:53.37 | spdr | dingman, that sounds bad |
| 15:53.43 | spdr | well, thats what it does :\ |
| 15:53.52 | Zork | for starters: i'm telling you know that on 2007.2 it isn't broken if you run it in landscape and fullscreen mode |
| 15:54.09 | torindel | starts to fear bitbake |
| 15:54.23 | dingman | spdr, Not sure what to tell you. I think I've tried every image available on mine in the last couple days, and none of them did that. |
| 15:54.24 | Zork | i guess in asu and fso it would be the same if the command to go fullscreen is the same |
| 15:54.29 | torindel | this thing started to do things by itself in background o_O |
| 15:54.34 | Dave | Zork, ah, okay cool :D |
| 15:54.40 | Dave | Zorkman, but now, where do I get it? :D |
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| 15:55.32 | Zork | Dave: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/lbreakout2_2.6beta-r1_armv4t.ipk |
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| 15:56.23 | spdr | dingman, only when i connect it to usb it stays off |
| 15:56.34 | spdr | but can it use the usb host while off? (for charging) |
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| 15:56.52 | quickdev | Hello |
| 15:57.12 | quickdev | My tangogps does not work on FSO. gpspipe works with gpsd - but tangogps denies. |
| 15:57.21 | Dave | Zorkman :D |
| 15:57.22 | dingman | spdr, I'm not completely confident, but I think it needs to be on to tell the charger it wants juice. |
| 15:57.45 | torindel | quickdev: you dont use gpsd on fso... |
| 15:58.04 | quickdev | I'm wondering if tangogps already implements the frameworkd? |
| 15:58.17 | malik1972 | zork: rotation in 2007.2 doesnt work for me, the calibration of the screen is messy in landscape |
| 15:58.20 | torindel | yes, since milestone2 |
| 15:58.22 | spdr | might as well just leave it on |
| 15:58.26 | quickdev | oh, ok |
| 15:58.51 | Dave | haha, oh man |
| 15:59.14 | lindi- | malik1972: rotation works but touchscreen does not work well when rotated |
| 15:59.31 | Dave | snes9x-sdl_1.39-r3_armv4t |
| 15:59.33 | ConfidentiaL | when I have selected a wireless network with iwconfig, how do I get an ip-address from dhcp? |
| 15:59.34 | malik1972 | lindi- yes |
| 15:59.44 | lindi- | malik1972: but the bug has been fixed |
| 15:59.50 | malik1972 | really? |
| 15:59.53 | malik1972 | when? |
| 15:59.55 | lindi- | malik1972: yes, see the bug report |
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| 16:00.06 | lindi- | a few weeks ago i think |
| 16:00.06 | Chox | woof woof! |
| 16:00.10 | spdr | joins ConfidentiaL's question |
| 16:00.13 | Dave | meow? |
| 16:00.15 | malik1972 | i use an old image |
| 16:01.00 | Chox | alphaone: yeah, I know. problem is it's all at home, and the devs are mostly here during the day. |
| 16:01.01 | malik1972 | its fixed in the kernel? |
| 16:01.21 | lindi- | malik1972: in X it hink |
| 16:01.21 | Chox | I should made ssh access for home. |
| 16:01.38 | wof | strange, gps works for me on FSO with tangoGPS, but the time/date is 1970 |
| 16:01.54 | Chox | GPS like it's 1969 |
| 16:01.58 | malik1972 | lindi- i know that it worls in asu ... but in 2007.2, will try it |
| 16:01.59 | Zork | hidden time-machine-powers-alert! |
| 16:02.13 | Chox | which is the date you get for cramfs images. |
| 16:02.17 | lindi- | malik1972: i don't think it has been fixed in 2007.2 |
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| 16:02.38 | malik1972 | lindi- okay, that was my question ... |
| 16:02.52 | Dave | Zorkman :D |
| 16:03.12 | malik1972 | lindi- did you tried to run scummvm? |
| 16:03.14 | wof | Chox: hwo do I get cramfs imgate date? |
| 16:03.22 | Dave | openmoko-quantum-leap-notification |
| 16:03.26 | lindi- | malik1972: are there any free games for it? ;) |
| 16:03.29 | Chox | make a cramfs image, then mount it loopback :p |
| 16:03.34 | Chox | one moment |
| 16:03.52 | malik1972 | lindi- sure, beneath a stealth sky, flight of the amazon queen |
| 16:04.02 | Chox | drwxrwxrwx 1 7423 178 1476 1969-12-31 16:00 bin |
| 16:04.12 | lindi- | malik1972: there's dispute on whether those are free |
| 16:04.13 | Zork | maybe a few games from http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ could be usefull |
| 16:04.16 | malik1972 | lindi- very good games, played them on a zaurus |
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| 16:04.25 | Dave | abandoneware \o/ |
| 16:04.26 | Chox | GemDropX! |
| 16:04.27 | malik1972 | lindi- no, those are free |
| 16:04.31 | Dave | abandonware |
| 16:04.36 | malik1972 | lindi- free to use |
| 16:04.36 | Zork | lindi- monkey island, indiana jones |
| 16:04.51 | malik1972 | the latter are non free |
| 16:05.01 | Zork | Chox: gemdropx works fine, only you need a keyboard :( i keep having to pop it up, hit "a" and close it again |
| 16:05.03 | Chox | non-free software! |
| 16:05.08 | malik1972 | see the scummvm homepage |
| 16:05.15 | lindi- | malik1972: but how can i modify them? |
| 16:05.15 | Chox | I wuv it. |
| 16:05.17 | Dave | :] |
| 16:05.21 | Dave | high-fives Chox |
| 16:05.22 | wof | Chox: hmm, but should't be the gps time independent from the filesystem? |
| 16:05.26 | lindi- | Zork: monkey island surely isn't free :P |
| 16:05.37 | malik1972 | lindi- modify for touchscreen? |
| 16:05.40 | Chox | wof: yes, this has nothing to do with GPS. I was just throwing a spanner into the conversation. |
| 16:05.44 | lindi- | malik1972: modify flight of the amazon queen |
| 16:05.53 | Torikun | can anyone give me the reop information? I just reflashed and it has invalud repos |
| 16:05.53 | Dave | OHMANS fb fb fb |
| 16:05.55 | Zork | sorry, i misread, i thought you were just askinf if there were many games for it |
| 16:05.58 | Chox | FOTAQ! |
| 16:06.06 | Dave | frozen-bubble! |
| 16:06.17 | wof | Chox: sorry, I thought you have answared to my question. |
| 16:06.20 | Chox | still wanna see NeverBall |
| 16:06.30 | malik1972 | lindi- thats not possible and not needed, scummvm is a vm to emulate such old games |
| 16:06.30 | Dave | neverball? |
| 16:06.32 | Chox | that's 3D-tastic tho |
| 16:06.38 | Dave | oh, heh |
| 16:06.42 | Dave | might have to wait on that one, then :P |
| 16:06.45 | Chox | you tilt the playing field to roll the ball |
| 16:06.51 | lindi- | malik1972: but i meant DFSG-free, maybe that wasn't obvious |
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| 16:07.13 | Dave | labyrinth |
| 16:07.22 | Chox | Dave: with coins. |
| 16:07.39 | Dave | ding ding ding ding ding |
| 16:07.42 | Dave | SLOTS! |
| 16:07.48 | Dave | Blackjack! |
| 16:07.50 | Dave | Solitaire! |
| 16:07.52 | malik1972 | lindi- i think that this games should be playable on the neo with the stylus |
| 16:07.55 | Dave | Why do we not have these games!? |
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| 16:08.01 | Chox | demands Games! |
| 16:08.04 | malik1972 | no keys neede |
| 16:08.06 | lindi- | malik1972: but that's not the point :) |
| 16:08.19 | lindi- | malik1972: i was asking if there are any free software games for scummvm |
| 16:08.34 | spdr | Chox, are there no games at all ? |
| 16:08.36 | malik1972 | lindi- i dont know, write one:-) |
| 16:08.40 | Chox | there are some. |
| 16:08.46 | malik1972 | which one |
| 16:08.56 | Chox | it's just that most games require some modification for input stuff |
| 16:08.59 | malik1972 | with source code |
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| 16:10.21 | Maybelline | when flashing usint dfu-util, it keeps seeing my (internal) usb hub, and won't let me continue. Any way around this? |
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| 16:12.30 | spdr | Chox, any recommendations for game that dont have a need to mess up my FR ? |
| 16:13.28 | Chox | well, the ones in ASU are all board games, some of them suck, however. |
| 16:13.42 | malik1972 | spdr: nearly everything messes my freerunner not only games:-) |
| 16:14.19 | ace[MAYHEM] | i tried dling the images on |
| 16:14.21 | Chox | puzzle games are a good choice for FR in general. all pointer driven. |
| 16:14.29 | ace[MAYHEM] | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200808/20080806/ |
| 16:14.36 | Zork | would zaurus games suffice? |
| 16:14.41 | ace[MAYHEM] | and then tried flashing them into the emulator with qemu/flash |
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| 16:15.06 | ace[MAYHEM] | but it doesn't boot now, i get the splash screen, the boot menu and then i select boot |
| 16:15.17 | ace[MAYHEM] | and then i get splash screen and boot menu again |
| 16:15.28 | ace[MAYHEM] | ad infinitum |
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| 16:16.25 | ace[MAYHEM] | am i doing something wrong ? the wiki pages aren't very informative on this subject, they recommend running download.sh but that keeps dling an image that boots but where i can't do anything |
| 16:17.14 | Zork | ace[MAYHEM] that downloads.sh downloads some not usable qtopia image, you need to edit some stuff, but i don't know exactly what |
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| 16:18.30 | ace[MAYHEM] | yeah i figured, that's why i tried those in that link i pasted (it was the only one i could find which also contained a kernel image) |
| 16:18.36 | torindel | ace[MAYHEM]: change dl mask to get something else than qtopia and use orginal devirginator script again |
| 16:18.37 | ace[MAYHEM] | but those don't even boot ... |
| 16:18.51 | torindel | it |
| 16:18.59 | torindel | 'll make your qemu bootable |
| 16:19.12 | ace[MAYHEM] | ah |
| 16:19.28 | spdr | why cant i get an ip from dhcp? :\ |
| 16:19.36 | ace[MAYHEM] | do you know where i can find the image that is the same as the one on the phone by any chance ? |
| 16:19.41 | Zork | ace[MAYHEM]: with the standard gemu thing you can also only emulate gta01 i believe |
| 16:19.46 | spdr | what was the name of the python script for wifi ? |
| 16:20.16 | Chox | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wireless_Networking#External_links |
| 16:20.26 | spdr | 10x |
| 16:20.41 | torindel | ace[MAYHEM]: there is gta02 emu started but its something between gta01 and gta02 for now and requires custom kernels |
| 16:20.42 | Zork | ace[MAYHEM]: to use GTA02 emulation you can find the info on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Neo_FreeRunner_.28GTA02.29 |
| 16:21.18 | ace[MAYHEM] | but it's just the extra chips right? the rest is the same anyway ? |
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| 16:21.45 | ace[MAYHEM] | i don't really need the extra chips in the emulator :) |
| 16:21.47 | Chox | beats wof |
| 16:22.00 | torindel | ace[MAYHEM]: yea, better use gta01 emu since you can use standard kernels |
| 16:22.07 | Chox | I guess you didn't test your USB networking wiki addition _at all_ |
| 16:22.41 | Chox | chown != chmod. |
| 16:23.40 | Chox | christ, who added the insanely complex Debian setup :-( |
| 16:23.51 | Chox | sigh |
| 16:23.56 | Chox | will have to rewrite that. |
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| 16:25.36 | spdr | any know issue regarding tangoGPS and the number 0? :\ |
| 16:25.58 | spdr | f.e. the only thing i see is a large 0 |
| 16:26.26 | Zork | spdr: you probably don't have any maps and are moving at speed 0 |
| 16:26.51 | spdr | but before it showed me a world-map Zork |
| 16:27.01 | spdr | and i downloaded maps aswell :S |
| 16:27.02 | Zork | freerunner connected to the internet? |
| 16:27.12 | El_Senator | can anyone tell me the exact name of the usb-net module? |
| 16:27.23 | spdr | well, not currently |
| 16:27.40 | spdr | does it require internet all the time to display maps? i thought it just downloads them :\ |
| 16:27.43 | Zork | spdr: did you set the map-directory to a non-/tmp/ director? otherwise they get deleted |
| 16:28.16 | spdr | ah..let me guess, /tmp is default? :S |
| 16:28.21 | Zork | jup :) |
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| 16:28.38 | spdr | heh thanks |
| 16:28.42 | Zork | np |
| 16:29.08 | balrog-kun | El_Senator: g_ether? |
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| 16:30.58 | linuxxr | does uboot need upgraded to use the 200808 stuff |
| 16:31.24 | linuxxr | ~uboot |
| 16:32.09 | linuxxr | i wonder...... |
| 16:32.13 | Chox | no |
| 16:32.17 | Chox | but you should ;-) |
| 16:32.36 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.47 | Chox | Dave. |
| 16:32.54 | linuxxr | did he |
| 16:32.58 | Chox | question |
| 16:33.02 | linuxxr | with beer? |
| 16:33.07 | linuxxr | ok |
| 16:33.32 | jOERG_rw | shower-radio? ;D |
| 16:33.41 | linuxxr | failed |
| 16:33.53 | Chox | jo! |
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| 16:35.00 | linuxxr | so which daily build works? |
| 16:35.15 | linuxxr | 20080805? |
| 16:35.33 | linuxxr | 20080806? |
| 16:35.42 | Chox | 20070202 |
| 16:36.09 | malik1972 | i have some weird problems: the freerunner wakes up from a shutdown, but i do not see any reasons for that |
| 16:36.19 | linuxxr | are u trying to be part of the problem CHOX |
| 16:36.30 | cjb | malik1972: did you plug it in? |
| 16:36.31 | malik1972 | does the new uboot work properly? |
| 16:36.32 | Chox | No, I make the problems. |
| 16:36.37 | malik1972 | cjb: no |
| 16:36.39 | linuxxr | well stop |
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| 16:36.54 | malik1972 | cjb: it happened not the first time |
| 16:36.59 | linuxxr | fix problems like a good boy |
| 16:37.03 | cjb | huh, weird |
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| 16:37.40 | malik1972 | cjb: first it in qtopia from suspends and now from shutdowns |
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| 16:37.47 | linuxxr | trying to make me have probles ic how u are |
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| 16:44.17 | ConfidentiaL1 | how to get ip-address from dhcp after I connect to a wireless network? |
| 16:44.34 | cjb | udhcpc |
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| 16:46.35 | ConfidentiaL1 | thx |
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| 16:49.28 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r17d475599b72 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: [openmoko] Calling packages .opk |
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| 16:51.34 | ace[MAYHEM] | got it working with Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080721-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2, thanks zork and torindel :) |
| 16:52.05 | ConfidentiaL1 | I'm trying to edit the /etc/network/interfaces file with vi on the freerunner, but it seems to be pretty useless as there's no arrow keys. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 16:52.37 | torindel | ConfidentiaL1: yep, you want to use arrow keys |
| 16:52.43 | torindel | man vi on pc |
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| 16:54.22 | torindel | ConfidentiaL1: (or just test h, j, k, l in vi) |
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| 17:07.38 | spdr | hey, any idea why mofi thinks all the networks are WPA and not WEP ? |
| 17:07.57 | koenigjm | Hey all, are there any good wifi apps? |
| 17:08.11 | koenigjm | tried lint and mofi and I limited success with both :S |
| 17:08.24 | koenigjm | *I had |
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| 17:08.26 | spdr | damn :\ |
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| 17:09.26 | railer | koenigim I think there is one more called wifi radar |
| 17:12.12 | koenigjm | railer: Thanks, I will try it out |
| 17:12.21 | koenigjm | anything will be better than tons of ifup's :P |
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| 17:14.10 | koenigjm | I wonder if the changes made to /etc/network/interfaces for wpa_supplicant is affecting the performance of lint |
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| 17:15.09 | dingman | Is there a terminal that works in the ASU snapshots? I installed openmoko-terminal, and it launches but won't acknowledge input from the onscreen keyboard. |
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| 17:18.45 | El_Senator | gives up and hopes all the usb-net trouble is solved with the release of the final ASU |
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| 17:19.14 | El_Senator | I'm a quitter... there, i said it |
| 17:19.18 | El_Senator | goes to sob in the corner |
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| 17:22.40 | peter-b | dingman: vte works for me |
| 17:23.22 | dingman | peter-b, thanks |
| 17:26.59 | ConfidentiaL1 | I am now able to successfully able to ping www.google.com, so I am definately connected to the internet, but I still get "failed to download" when executing "opkg update". What could be wrong? |
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| 17:27.35 | Zork | ConfidentiaL1: maybe your feeds are wrong |
| 17:27.45 | Zork | where are they pointing at? (what are they trying to download) |
| 17:28.40 | ConfidentiaL1 | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/Packages.sig was the last one |
| 17:29.08 | Zork | singatures are not yet implemented |
| 17:29.16 | Zork | *signatures |
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| 17:29.32 | Zork | they always fail to download because they do not yet exist :) |
| 17:29.38 | ConfidentiaL1 | its also failing at Packages.gz... |
| 17:29.47 | Zork | that's not so normal :) |
| 17:30.13 | mmaestri | ConfidentiaL1: which error code gives you? |
| 17:30.22 | ConfidentiaL1 | error 0 |
| 17:30.23 | ceda | ry pinging buildhost |
| 17:30.30 | ceda | try |
| 17:30.38 | ConfidentiaL1 | pinging the host was successful |
| 17:31.05 | Zork | tru wget http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/Packages.gz |
| 17:31.10 | Zork | *try |
| 17:31.27 | mmaestri | try wget http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/Packages.gz |
| 17:31.40 | mmaestri | he, i'm so sloooooow |
| 17:32.29 | ConfidentiaL1 | looks like it downloaded ok, no error messages, but it reached 100% pretty fast... |
| 17:33.08 | Zork | ConfidentiaL1: it's a small file |
| 17:33.39 | Zork | i don't understand why opkg can't download the packages-file... |
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| 17:33.59 | Zork | wants to try gpsdrive; anyone built that? |
| 17:34.13 | ConfidentiaL1 | wait, now something is happening...:P |
| 17:34.29 | ConfidentiaL1 | got some progress bars while running opkg update |
| 17:35.02 | ConfidentiaL1 | could be that just the terminal needed a restart, cuz now it seems to have succeeded |
| 17:36.36 | ConfidentiaL1 | now it seems to be working ok, thanks for your help guys:) |
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| 17:37.51 | ceda | åäö - umlauts gets weird, locale bug |
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| 17:40.28 | Centaur5 | Should the default repository in yesterday's build have tangogps? |
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| 17:43.58 | Torikun | None of my python gtk apps run on openmoko. For example: the wifi GUI's |
| 17:47.28 | Torikun | ile "/usr/bin/lint-wifi.py", line 9, in <module> |
| 17:47.28 | Torikun | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.28 | Torikun | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.28 | Torikun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:55.52 | Torikun | I lost the link for the 3rd party repos. anyone have it handy? |
| 17:56.07 | ConfidentiaL1 | just to be on the safe side, when I run "opkg upgrade" and gets asked if I want to keep current version of a file, what should I answer? the default? |
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| 17:56.27 | Torikun | ConfidentiaL1: I choose I |
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| 18:06.52 | Guilt | why isnt the cdc ether fixed in default uImage s? |
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| 18:07.20 | lindi- | Guilt: what's the bug number? |
| 18:07.51 | Guilt | one sec |
| 18:08.21 | Torikun | Does the 2007 gtk image get updated daily? |
| 18:09.49 | Guilt | lindi-: not sure of that, but take a look her: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-f528183 |
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| 18:10.24 | Guilt | 'Hm, spoke too soon: After the first reboot with the new kernel, USB |
| 18:10.24 | Guilt | networking still didn't work. I did some fumbling on the device's |
| 18:10.24 | Guilt | terminal, of which the essential thing seems to be running "depmod". |
| 18:10.24 | Guilt | Then after a second reboot, USB networking worked again.' |
| 18:10.36 | Guilt | lindi-: apparently the qtopia image doesnt havev a terminal |
| 18:10.48 | lpotter | yes, it does |
| 18:10.53 | Guilt | wait. a reboot fixes it. |
| 18:11.53 | Guilt | but it's not fixed in the first time |
| 18:12.10 | Quai | Guilt: cdc_ether is for the host, not for the device |
| 18:13.09 | Guilt | Quai: okay. the usb0 client doesnt work really |
| 18:13.11 | Guilt | on flashing |
| 18:13.23 | a794202 | Hi, does anyone know a way to fix the sound quality on the Frerunner. (If someone calls me they hears echo of their own voice). It seems like many people has this problem... |
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| 18:14.23 | UndrWater | i've got the same usb0 problem...the usb0 device is not registering...dmesg complains about 'maybe bad cable?" |
| 18:14.23 | Zork | a794202: you have to lower your volume |
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| 18:14.37 | Zork | a794202: but not too much, or else they won't hear you... |
| 18:15.00 | a794202 | Zork: Is this done in the state files? |
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| 18:15.52 | Quai | I have problems related to usb0 aswell, but im trying to install debian on my fr |
| 18:15.56 | Zork | I have never used the state file, only the alsamixer, but if you do it in the statefile its probably better |
| 18:15.57 | ConfidentiaL1 | so I encountered the bug with the endless irq messages after an upgrade with opkg through the terminal. Should I just restart the phone or is there something I should do first/after? |
| 18:16.17 | mmontour | a794202: there's some information at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality |
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| 18:19.27 | madjo | ok, I just installed ASU (the image from 6th of august... but it seems a regression.. it has no way of locking the screen, and no way of shutting down the phone on screen |
| 18:19.29 | madjo | :S |
| 18:19.42 | Torikun | wow |
| 18:19.44 | madjo | it makes 2007.2 actually seem more usable. |
| 18:20.06 | Torikun | Qtopic yesterday was crap for me and did not work well, I had to go back to2002.2 |
| 18:20.10 | Torikun | *2007.2 |
| 18:20.26 | trix | madjo: 2008.8 will be released on the 8th, you are using developmental software |
| 18:20.27 | madjo | it seems like a bad idea to ditch 2007.2 to me... |
| 18:20.32 | madjo | I know trix... |
| 18:20.45 | Torikun | Will there be a gnome update trix? |
| 18:20.48 | lpotter | Torikun: do yo umean qtopia or ASU? |
| 18:20.48 | madjo | but it's already the 6th.. just 2 days of fixing all that? |
| 18:21.00 | trix | let's hope that's all it takes |
| 18:21.02 | Torikun | Qtopia lpotter |
| 18:21.13 | trix | Torikun I have no idea |
| 18:21.17 | madjo | I think I'm going back to 2007.2 for now |
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| 18:21.28 | madjo | I actually liked that sms application better :) |
| 18:21.28 | Torikun | madjo I hope you have a good backup image |
| 18:21.28 | Torikun | lol |
| 18:21.29 | lpotter | Torikun: what didnt work well? |
| 18:21.41 | madjo | sadly no. Torikun... backing up doesn't work for me |
| 18:21.42 | Torikun | Ipotter I could not access the menus and call |
| 18:22.00 | Torikun | how big will the backup image be? it is 171MB now |
| 18:22.18 | madjo | you can make backups? Torikun.. how?:) |
| 18:22.27 | UndrWater | how does one do the update? |
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| 18:22.41 | UndrWater | is there a feed.conf that needs to be installed? |
| 18:22.42 | madjo | I reflashed the device, UndrWater |
| 18:22.46 | Lo-lan-do | Hi there. |
| 18:22.49 | madjo | hi Lo-lan-do |
| 18:22.50 | Torikun | ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -U ./backup/good-kernel.bin |
| 18:22.50 | Torikun | ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U ./backup/good-rootfs.jffs2 |
| 18:22.50 | Torikun | ./dfu-util -a u-boot_env -R -U ./backup/good-u-boot_env.bin |
| 18:22.50 | Torikun | ./dfu-util -a splash -R -U ./backup/good-splash.bin |
| 18:22.50 | Torikun | ./dfu-util -a u-boot -R -U ./backup/good-u-boot.bin |
| 18:22.59 | madjo | that doesn't work for me :( Torikun |
| 18:23.03 | Torikun | ah |
| 18:23.06 | Torikun | what happens |
| 18:23.29 | Lo-lan-do | Will the OM2008.8 feeds replace the OM2007.2 ones? Will my phone automagically be upgraded to ASU on Friday's opkg upgrade? |
| 18:23.29 | madjo | dfu_upload error -110 |
| 18:23.39 | madjo | I doubt it, Lo-lan-do... |
| 18:23.44 | lindi- | Guilt: i don't have javascript now, sorry |
| 18:23.50 | madjo | om2008.8 is a drastic difference from 2007.2 |
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| 18:23.57 | Torikun | How do you install ike firefox and stuff. |
| 18:24.02 | Torikun | I lost the url |
| 18:24.04 | lpotter | Torikun: that does not sound like qtopia |
| 18:24.04 | lindi- | Guilt: (nabble.html needs javascript) |
| 18:24.31 | Torikun | Anyone in SF? |
| 18:24.38 | LetoTo | OM2008.8? cool |
| 18:24.43 | LetoTo | must grab that |
| 18:24.55 | madjo | I'd wait till friday, LetoTo |
| 18:24.56 | Torikun | will wait a few days for 2008.8 |
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| 18:25.08 | madjo | For me it makes the phone unusable |
| 18:25.14 | a794202 | LetoTo: You better wait until its usable... |
| 18:25.15 | Guilt | lindi-: check the archives for support |
| 18:25.17 | Guilt | it's fairly new |
| 18:25.25 | madjo | now if only the back up procedure would work for me :( |
| 18:25.31 | Guilt | the scrolling sucks in 2008.8 |
| 18:25.33 | Torikun | makes 2007.2 backup CDROM |
| 18:25.35 | UndrWater | where are the real feeds for 2008? |
| 18:25.40 | Guilt | it isnt double buffered, is it? ;p |
| 18:26.04 | madjo | doesn't seem so |
| 18:26.24 | Torikun | How big is the RootFS when doing a backup with dfu? |
| 18:26.26 | LetoTo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.27 | madjo | 2007.2 seemed much smoother |
| 18:26.37 | Torikun | Is anyone here going to be at the linux world expo today? |
| 18:26.41 | madjo | could be pretty big, Torikun |
| 18:27.55 | Guilt | the windowing is blocky |
| 18:27.56 | Guilt | hmm |
| 18:28.29 | dingman | UndrWater: src/gz daily-armv4t http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t, src/gz daily-community-repository http://downloads.openmoko.org/community-repository, src/gz daily-om-gta02 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02 |
| 18:28.35 | dingman | seems to work for me, at least. |
| 18:28.40 | dingman | But I'm new here |
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| 18:28.48 | dingman | and not sure I'm not missing a feed. |
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| 18:30.08 | trix | ntpclient seems to have disappeared from the repository |
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| 18:32.13 | linuxxr | looks like chox was right |
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| 18:35.55 | lindi- | Guilt: i have read the last 3 months of support mailing list |
| 18:36.44 | Guilt | lindi-: it's like this |
| 18:36.56 | Guilt | if i use dfu-util to flash a new uImage.bin, usb fails on first boot |
| 18:37.30 | madjo | can't grab a backup of anything with that dfu-util |
| 18:38.15 | madjo | and according to the wiki,the current version is broken on big-endian architectures... 'do not flash u-boot unless you are sure you need to' :) |
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| 18:39.32 | Lo-lan-do | I flashed u-boot today. Wanted to get the "reason for wake-up" feature :-) |
| 18:41.12 | madjo | which version of uboot is that? |
| 18:41.32 | Lo-lan-do | Erm, "uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin" :-) |
| 18:41.53 | Lo-lan-do | I think it was made public a week or so ago. |
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| 18:43.23 | madjo | well, I tried that one, and the date in the boot screen showed "May 9, 2008" |
| 18:43.33 | Guilt | and how do i fix this? |
| 18:43.34 | Guilt | Collected errors: |
| 18:43.34 | Guilt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.38 | Guilt | do i need to remove a fiile? |
| 18:43.53 | UndrWater | Guilt: there's a daemon you need to kill |
| 18:43.54 | madjo | also weird... the filenames in the most current 2008.08 folder shows 1.3.1, yet the uboot I have here shows "1.3.2" :) |
| 18:44.07 | Guilt | which daemon? |
| 18:44.10 | Lo-lan-do | strings uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin mentions "U-Boot 1.3.2+gitr38+64eb10cab8055084ae25ea4e73b66dd03cc1a0cb (Aug 6 2008 - 13:58:45)" |
| 18:44.10 | UndrWater | Guilt: packagekitd i think |
| 18:44.33 | madjo | where did you get that one? |
| 18:44.41 | Lo-lan-do | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080806/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin |
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| 18:44.55 | madjo | huh.. I downloaded that one as well |
| 18:44.58 | UndrWater | Guilt: find it? |
| 18:45.01 | Guilt | thanks :-) |
| 18:45.05 | UndrWater | np |
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| 18:46.57 | Torikun | I am upgrading to Qtopia, is it useable now? |
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| 18:47.22 | lpotter | qtopia from trolltech has always been usable |
| 18:47.41 | Torikun | I hope it works good =) |
| 18:47.42 | madjo | I'm reflashing 2007.2 ... 2008.8 is far from usable for me, so far |
| 18:47.56 | lpotter | Torikun: there are still bugs though |
| 18:47.56 | UndrWater | lpotter: is there a way to access testing images of qtopia? |
| 18:48.19 | lpotter | testing images are released at qtopia.net |
| 18:48.36 | lpotter | when there is a significant change |
| 18:48.47 | lpotter | right now we are all working on qtopia 4.4 |
| 18:49.07 | Torikun | Does qtopia have gui Wifi tool ? |
| 18:49.18 | madjo | just flashed uboot again... still says "may 9 2008" for me... what am I doing wrong? |
| 18:50.05 | madjo | downloaded the latest version from openmoko buildhost... |
| 18:50.08 | UndrWater | lpotter: is anyone working on improving the predictive keyboard? |
| 18:50.09 | madjo | then did sudo ./dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin |
| 18:50.14 | lpotter | Torikun: yes. hmmm that reminds me, I dont think I have updated the image |
| 18:50.16 | madjo | and still it loads the one from May |
| 18:50.27 | lpotter | UndrWater: improving how? |
| 18:50.58 | Torikun | lol since I been flashing this all day, I hope I am not missing phone calls lol |
| 18:51.18 | UndrWater | lpotter: well...as i'm typing, the predictive text may miss what i'm trying to type...there's no obvious way to input what i want |
| 18:51.38 | lpotter | hold down a letter |
| 18:52.06 | UndrWater | that will "force" that letter? |
| 18:52.12 | lpotter | yes |
| 18:52.15 | UndrWater | ahhh |
| 18:52.24 | UndrWater | :) |
| 18:52.35 | lpotter | :D |
| 18:52.45 | Lo-lan-do | madjo: You sure you're reading the version of the uboot in NAND? |
| 18:52.55 | madjo | how do I do that? |
| 18:53.03 | madjo | ah no... this is the one in NOR |
| 18:53.05 | Lo-lan-do | How did you boot? |
| 18:53.19 | UndrWater | i'm thinking another way to do it is have the exact word typed in the middle of the list, with predictive words to either side of that |
| 18:53.22 | Lo-lan-do | There. Boot to NAND to check the version of u-boot. |
| 18:53.22 | madjo | I boot through holding the AUX key and then pressing the power button |
| 18:53.28 | UndrWater | may go a bit faster |
| 18:53.30 | Torikun | hacks matrix with NeoFreerunner... |
| 18:53.47 | leinir | the matrix is obsolete! ;) |
| 18:54.00 | leinir | They're all running hypermatrix now ;) |
| 18:54.08 | Torikun | lol |
| 18:54.11 | Torikun | Matrix Vista |
| 18:54.12 | Torikun | lol |
| 18:54.47 | Torikun | flashing to qtopia finished...rebooted....see openmoko log....nothing happening... |
| 18:54.56 | UndrWater | lpotter: that would also be a bit more intuitive |
| 18:55.28 | madjo | damnit... I'm really bummed out that I can't backup the images... |
| 18:55.35 | Torikun | + |
| 18:55.36 | Torikun | lol |
| 18:55.57 | madjo | makes it a hassle to flash every fucking time |
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| 18:56.14 | Torikun | my phone is locked, can not power off |
| 18:56.29 | SpeedEvil | torpor: that's one way to get infinite battery life. |
| 18:56.33 | SpeedEvil | tori: |
| 18:57.22 | madjo | I really hope that friday's release will be usable enough |
| 18:57.44 | madjo | else "I'm cracking skulls"... :) |
| 18:58.01 | Guilt | there seems to be quite a bit to do for release |
| 18:58.12 | UndrWater | madjo: does that translate as hacking it better? |
| 18:58.14 | madjo | indeed |
| 18:58.32 | madjo | well I have two left hands... I'm more of a tester myself |
| 18:58.43 | Lo-lan-do | I think I'll switch from OM2007.2 to FSO when it reaches milestone 3. |
| 18:58.52 | Guilt | :-) |
| 18:58.53 | UndrWater | madjo: have you updated yet? |
| 18:59.04 | madjo | I just did... and I couldn't set it to keylock |
| 18:59.09 | Guilt | why do we need an intermediate release? om2008.8? |
| 18:59.10 | UndrWater | ahh |
| 18:59.12 | Guilt | i don't get it. |
| 18:59.14 | madjo | and it seemed rather sluggish... |
| 18:59.23 | Guilt | om2007.2 was stable. |
| 18:59.24 | madjo | compared to 2007.2 |
| 18:59.58 | madjo | I wish there was a decent release of FSO :) |
| 19:00.15 | UndrWater | madjo: did you have to hand edit your opkg confs? |
| 19:00.46 | madjo | for om2007.2? I did indeed, added the scaredycat repos before (sadly I've lost that now) |
| 19:01.02 | madjo | and I have to set up the right keyboard again |
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| 19:01.19 | Lo-lan-do | While I'm here... is there a way to not start wifi on boot? |
| 19:01.20 | rysiek|pl | hi again |
| 19:01.37 | madjo | leave it off when you turn the device off? |
| 19:01.42 | madjo | shouldn't it remember its state? |
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| 19:02.08 | Guilt | i'm installing glamo |
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| 19:02.11 | Guilt | maybe that helps |
| 19:02.31 | aevin | sorry for asking, but where do I find latest qtopia image? (newer than july 24?) |
| 19:03.10 | rysiek|pl | aevin: Wiki -> Latest_images |
| 19:03.12 | Torikun | aevin: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080806/ |
| 19:04.24 | rysiek|pl | right... by the way, I have just flashed this (080806) image and, well, is there a way to change the skin? |
| 19:04.29 | aevin | rysiek|pl: thanks, I think I overlooked the trolltech ftp with snapshots. |
| 19:04.38 | rysiek|pl | aevin: nop |
| 19:05.11 | aevin | Torikun: thanks, but there are only qtopia with x11 (i was looking for the one without) |
| 19:05.20 | Lo-lan-do | madjo: It doesn't. I need to manually switch it off every reboot. |
| 19:05.47 | lpotter | Torikun: thats not qtopia |
| 19:05.52 | lpotter | thats asu |
| 19:06.09 | lpotter | aevin: I will make an updated image of qtopia soon |
| 19:06.13 | rysiek|pl | is it just me, or did the old image (2007.2) seem much more usable? not meaning to troll; I understand the ASU is work-in-progress, but do I understand correctly that it's (ASU) basically not meant for day-to-day use? |
| 19:06.13 | Torikun | what is that then |
| 19:06.16 | Torikun | lol |
| 19:06.21 | Torikun | I just upgraded to it |
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| 19:06.28 | madjo | it's not just you :) |
| 19:06.44 | rysiek|pl | d'oh |
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| 19:07.14 | madjo | but what we see now is not yet the definitive release |
| 19:07.21 | rysiek|pl | yeah, I know |
| 19:07.37 | rysiek|pl | besides, it's OpenSource, There Is No Definitive Release(tm) ;) |
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| 19:07.39 | madjo | I just can't lock it, nor can I easily turn the phone off.:( |
| 19:07.47 | rysiek|pl | same here |
| 19:07.54 | rysiek|pl | nor inpuit the PIN properly |
| 19:07.58 | madjo | well there's supposed to be a release on 08-08-08 :) |
| 19:08.14 | madjo | still no 'ok' button? |
| 19:08.23 | rysiek|pl | "still"? |
| 19:08.28 | rysiek|pl | what do you mean "still" |
| 19:08.52 | rysiek|pl | now don't you even tell me that someone *forgot* to place a freaking "ok" button on the PIN form... |
| 19:08.57 | madjo | hmmm, I tried an earlier build a week or so ago... and it didn't have that button either... I figured that I must have done something wrong |
| 19:09.24 | rysiek|pl | jeez. now I know why I got this baby in the first place - sure as hell won't let me get bored :D |
| 19:09.46 | Torikun | What images are these then? The Website said qtopia |
| 19:09.46 | Torikun | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080806/ |
| 19:10.00 | lpotter | ASU |
| 19:10.04 | madjo | no, that's the ASU |
| 19:10.12 | lpotter | thats a bit of qtopia with EFL |
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| 19:10.43 | lpotter | they should really take qtopia out of the filename, as it causes confusion |
| 19:11.10 | rysiek|pl | +1 |
| 19:11.12 | lpotter | you guys are geeks! |
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| 19:11.22 | lpotter | whoops wrong window |
| 19:11.24 | lpotter | hehehe |
| 19:11.33 | Torikun | confused on images... |
| 19:11.37 | rysiek|pl | it strangely fitted here, though, lpotter |
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| 19:11.47 | lpotter | ha true |
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| 19:12.16 | rysiek|pl | Torikun: the "qtopia" image on the Trolltech ftp is The Qtopia image |
| 19:12.18 | Torikun | I can not ssh into http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080806/ images |
| 19:12.33 | lpotter | Torikun: reboot |
| 19:12.35 | rysiek|pl | Torikun: qtopia images on buildhost are ASU |
| 19:12.50 | rysiek|pl | lpotter: sheesh... thought it wasn't windoze... ;) |
| 19:12.53 | lpotter | Torikun: it seems to take a reboot on those images to ssh into it |
| 19:13.11 | Torikun | lpotter I can not make calls on that image also |
| 19:13.11 | Torikun | lol |
| 19:14.08 | rysiek|pl | takes a note to self - try "newer better" images through the microSD card first... |
| 19:14.39 | Zork | Torikun why would you ssh in on the openmoko server? just wget them... |
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| 19:14.57 | Torikun | Zork My phone |
| 19:14.59 | Torikun | not servers |
| 19:15.57 | Torikun | When you use those images, should you update sources? |
| 19:17.14 | lindi- | i tried following http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth with 2007.2 but hciconfig does not give any output, any idea where to look next? |
| 19:17.22 | Torikun | ofcoure all the repos are messed up in /etc/opkg |
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| 19:18.10 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: in the devices/PC's you wish to connect to |
| 19:18.28 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: I suppose you get only "Scanning..." from hcitool scan, right? |
| 19:21.46 | lindi- | rysiek|pl: "Device not available: No such device" |
| 19:22.04 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: ah, well, you haven't enabled bluetooth |
| 19:22.18 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: what image are you using? |
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| 19:23.16 | The_D0ct0r | hi, i have downloaded the latest ASU, but I can't find any way to get into a terminal. How do I solve this? |
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| 19:25.38 | rysiek|pl | hmm |
| 19:25.46 | rysiek|pl | I want to get back to 2007.2 |
| 19:25.54 | rysiek|pl | but I don't see an image for GTA02 |
| 19:25.57 | lindi- | rysiek|pl: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080722-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 19:25.59 | rysiek|pl | looking here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/ |
| 19:26.07 | rysiek|pl | ah |
| 19:26.12 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: thanks :) |
| 19:26.19 | lindi- | rysiek|pl: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080730/uImage-2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r1-om-gta02.bin |
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| 19:27.27 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: 404 not found |
| 19:27.39 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ -> only 200808 available |
| 19:27.46 | lindi- | rysiek|pl: yes they are 404 now |
| 19:27.56 | lindi- | rysiek|pl: i have a local copy at http://iki.fi/lindi/tmp/ |
| 19:28.18 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: "now" as in "deleted for good" or as in "some temporary problem"? |
| 19:28.25 | lindi- | rysiek|pl: i don't know |
| 19:29.10 | The_D0ct0r | Does anyone knows how to get into a normal terminal in the ASU? |
| 19:29.19 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: I'll help myself to your mirror, if that's ok |
| 19:29.36 | rysiek|pl | The_D0ct0r: I don't think anybody knows that here right now |
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| 19:29.48 | lindi- | rysiek|pl: to test this bluetooth issue? |
| 19:29.48 | The_D0ct0r | craps |
| 19:30.01 | ceda | The_D0ct0r: wouldn't ssh over usb work? |
| 19:30.17 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: nope, to get a usable moko again. 2008.08 is just unusable for me right now |
| 19:30.20 | The_D0ct0r | nope |
| 19:30.25 | The_D0ct0r | trying that now |
| 19:30.39 | ceda | ethernet over usb-issue? (missing kernel module) |
| 19:30.39 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: although I'll test bt once i'm on it :) |
| 19:30.48 | lindi- | rysiek|pl: hrm, in the ideal world you should be able to build it yourself, right? |
| 19:30.59 | ceda | I've used bt, but I needed a terminal to set it up ... |
| 19:31.04 | rysiek|pl | theoretically |
| 19:31.20 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: but theory and practice do not differ only theoretically ;) |
| 19:31.21 | abraxa_ | rysiek|pl: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080806/ - 2007.2 is the openmoko-devel-image |
| 19:31.38 | rysiek|pl | abraxa_: yeah, but that's the 2008.08 branch |
| 19:31.40 | rysiek|pl | aaa |
| 19:31.50 | rysiek|pl | ignore that |
| 19:31.54 | abraxa_ | :) |
| 19:31.57 | UndrWater | hmmm...assassin dissappeared? |
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| 19:32.11 | rysiek|pl | is slowly considering turning his geek licence in |
| 19:32.13 | Torikun | Yes, it is updating! |
| 19:32.14 | Torikun | lol |
| 19:32.20 | rysiek|pl | abraxa_: thanks |
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| 19:32.49 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: I'll help myself to the devel images, then; your mirror seems to lack one crucial thingy - and that's the rootfs ;) |
| 19:33.24 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: unless the kernel and the rootfs are simply from different builds but should work togetger |
| 19:33.44 | lindi- | rysiek|pl: :) |
| 19:33.47 | Guilt | hooray for this: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8 \o/ |
| 19:33.50 | lindi- | rysiek|pl: i have rootfs there |
| 19:34.00 | lindi- | rysiek|pl: tmp/moko/buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722/Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080722-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 19:34.24 | rysiek|pl | lindi-: yeah, but aren't those different builds (20080722 and 20080730)? |
| 19:34.29 | Torikun | The GUI install on the latest image can not access network. opkg update works and downloads updates |
| 19:34.45 | Torikun | How do you get the gui installer to work |
| 19:35.05 | lindi- | rysiek|pl: yes, i could not get both from same day |
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| 19:35.35 | rysiek|pl | Torikun: after XorA, today: "you need to edit the files in /etc/opkg/ to point to these feeds http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/" |
| 19:35.56 | abraxa_ | Torikun: By checking trac for a matching ticket, filing one if not available and/or writing to the devel list |
| 19:36.20 | Torikun | ty |
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| 19:38.07 | Tanuva | does anyone know where I could get gtk+ 2.12.11 (which is required by python-pygtk) from? |
| 19:38.12 | rysiek|pl | now... how to shutdown 2008.08 without playing with the battery... |
| 19:38.31 | Tanuva | rysiek|pl: "halt" on terminal :P |
| 19:38.41 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.55 | linuxxr | wat is a sommery file |
| 19:39.02 | linuxxr | summery |
| 19:39.43 | linuxxr | thats funny |
| 19:39.54 | rysiek|pl | Tanuva: ah, why didn't I think of that... let me just fire up the terminal to fix the repos so that I can upgrade and have usb0, so that I can have a working terminal... oh, wait. -_-' |
| 19:39.59 | linuxxr | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ |
| 19:40.28 | linuxxr | halt works for me |
| 19:40.39 | Tanuva | rysiek|pl: *g* so u're quite f*ed up. maybe reflash? ^^ |
| 19:41.19 | linuxxr | im gonna reflash today an saterday |
| 19:41.20 | rysiek|pl | Tanuva: yeah, that crossed my mind. now, take a wild guess why would I want to shutdown the device... :) |
| 19:41.30 | UndrWater | where does one find numptyphysics? |
| 19:41.45 | rysiek|pl | how to compile KDE2 for BSD? |
| 19:42.03 | rysiek|pl | simply *had* to go for that classic... |
| 19:42.12 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9def9e88398a 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade linux-openmoko to get the charging indicator fix |
| 19:42.25 | UndrWater | :) |
| 19:43.07 | abraxa_ | UndrWater: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/misc/numptyphysics_0.2_armv4t.ipk |
| 19:43.19 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r25e4c6650215 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Use the latest stable u-boot. |
| 19:43.41 | abraxa_ | UndrWater: Also needs http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/libstdc++6_4.1.2-r17_armv4t.ipk |
| 19:43.53 | Tanuva | thinks of learning etk to get rid of the damn python-pygtk-requirement :/ |
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| 19:46.06 | malik1972 | where i can find the latest stable uboot? |
| 19:46.29 | rysiek|pl | linuxxr: which image are you using? 2008.08? |
| 19:47.31 | mmontour | malik1972: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080806/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr38+64eb10cab8055084ae25ea4e73b66dd03cc1a0cb-r0.bin |
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| 19:48.41 | UndrWater | abraxa_: thanks! :) |
| 19:49.21 | Centaur5 | Are the celtune and scaredycat repositories safe to add to 2008.08? |
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| 19:49.57 | malik1972 | mmontour: okay, i have that, it was mentioned here org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 19:50.11 | UndrWater | Centaur5: i've got celtune...no probs so far...but it's early on |
| 19:50.27 | malik1972 | mmontour: nevertheless i had a weird behaviour several time with the new uboots |
| 19:50.59 | Centaur5 | UndrWater: Thanks, I guess I'll see the extra programs it provides me with then. |
| 19:51.03 | malik1972 | mmontour: the freerunner wakes up from shutdowns sometimes |
| 19:51.46 | linuxxr | progress |
| 19:51.47 | malik1972 | mmontour: it blocks a boot process if the battery is nearly empty, but this is a feature i guess |
| 19:53.02 | mmontour | IIRC there is code to delay boot-up until the battery reaches a minimum charge level. I don't know about the "wakes up from shutdowns" one - you might want to report that in Trac and/or on the openmoko-kernel list |
| 19:54.54 | Torikun | what s the wifi gui tool on the new image? |
| 19:55.02 | spdr | lol wtf |
| 19:55.12 | spdr | when i talk and i have a call waiting it cuts me off |
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| 19:55.25 | Tanuva | Torikun: define "new image" |
| 19:55.31 | Torikun | 2008.2 |
| 19:55.38 | Torikun | todays most current |
| 19:55.47 | rysiek|pl | *2008.08 |
| 19:55.57 | UndrWater | anyone know what: "pkg <pkg> already visited" means? |
| 19:56.02 | Tanuva | what's that again? asu? gtk? |
| 19:56.12 | UndrWater | that's opkg install -V 2 output |
| 19:56.20 | malik1972 | mmontour: will do that if it happens again, its a little bit scary:-) |
| 19:56.33 | spdr | when i talk and i have a call waiting it cuts me off, any idea why? |
| 19:56.47 | malik1972 | mmontour: i have another idea, but i dont think that it caused it |
| 19:56.48 | spdr | not to mention i cant see who else is calling |
| 19:57.20 | rysiek|pl | I, for one, think there are definitely too many images out there |
| 19:57.35 | rysiek|pl | not documented anough, might I add |
| 19:58.22 | abraxa_ | rysiek|pl: As long as people stick to well-known images like the ones from buildhost or ScaredyCat's images, all is well |
| 19:58.33 | linuxxr | spdr which one u got? |
| 19:58.43 | malik1972 | mmontour: i applied a scotch tape for the sd card holder ... no, this is not the cause .. maybe i will investigate it by reflashing an older uboot |
| 19:58.58 | rysiek|pl | abraxa_: nope. where on *earth* could I get the info that openmoko-devel is the old 2007.02? |
| 19:59.15 | spdr | linuxxr, freerunner gta02 |
| 19:59.17 | linuxxr | abraxa any recomendations? |
| 19:59.27 | rysiek|pl | abraxa_: not mentioned anywhere in the wiki nor in the docs, or at least nowhere I could find |
| 19:59.28 | spdr | with updated 2007 |
| 19:59.30 | spdr | brb |
| 19:59.42 | mmontour | malik1972: I recommend sticking with the newest u-boot, and reporting bugs so that they can get fixed. |
| 20:00.15 | mmontour | When you say "wakes from shutdown", which image and how are you shutting down? Is it possible that the GSM modem is still powered up? |
| 20:00.22 | spdr | also everybody is complaining they hear an echo :\ |
| 20:00.33 | spdr | perhaps the speaker is too loud ? |
| 20:00.43 | linuxxr | 200702? |
| 20:00.51 | linuxxr | spdr |
| 20:00.51 | abraxa_ | rysiek|pl: Indeed, that's a documentation issue then. |
| 20:01.03 | abraxa_ | linuxxr: Sorry, I have no idea what you were/are talking about |
| 20:01.03 | linuxxr | stock? |
| 20:01.13 | spdr | yeah 2007.02 |
| 20:01.18 | malik1972 | mmontour: i use the newest qtopia 4.3.x in nand with the mwester kernel and diverse images on sd with an actual kernel |
| 20:01.34 | spdr | stock? |
| 20:01.51 | mmontour | There's a certain overlap between "shut down" and "suspended", so I'd guess that when you shut the device down it's still configured to wake up on something other than a power-button press or USB-cable insertion |
| 20:02.16 | mmontour | However I haven't looked at this code in any detail, so it would be better to just report your problem and let the experts figure it out |
| 20:02.47 | malik1972 | mmontour: you are right, will do it if it happens again |
| 20:03.06 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6e2560c549bf 10/classes/update-rc.d.bbclass: make sure update-rc is always executed in an offline postinst (from poky r4976) |
| 20:03.06 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf3d0d95ef932 10/packages/dbus/dbus_1.1.20.bb: [dbus] Bump the PR after the update-rc change as we know dbus benefits from it |
| 20:03.07 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r6e2947e9ca60 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade linux-openmoko to get the charging indicator fix |
| 20:03.08 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd83a164bb21e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Use the latest stable u-boot. |
| 20:03.11 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc9d0b05567fd 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade assassin to avoid packagekitd races |
| 20:04.10 | rysiek|pl | is going to take five |
| 20:04.14 | rysiek|pl | tee, anybody? |
| 20:04.17 | rysiek|pl | *tea |
| 20:04.24 | rysiek|pl | darn, am I tired |
| 20:04.24 | leinir | Please :) |
| 20:04.32 | rysiek|pl | one tea, comming up |
| 20:04.49 | rysiek|pl | puts the kettle on |
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| 20:07.40 | leinir | White and three sugars please :) |
| 20:08.01 | rysiek|pl | leinir: there you are |
| 20:08.13 | leinir | sips "Cheers!" ;) |
| 20:08.53 | rysiek|pl | ah... just in time - flashing finished! |
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| 20:12.44 | linuxxr | If you download an FSO image, the file system will be in a jffs2 'summary' file. A file with the extension ".jffs2.summary" can be flashed to the FreeRunner just like an ordinary jffs2 file. |
| 20:12.59 | linuxxr | i had to read mang |
| 20:15.07 | AntonTakk | any of you tried 2008.8 yet? impressions? |
| 20:15.38 | dingman | Decent. Some odd X display things going on, still. |
| 20:15.43 | madjo | I tried it... antontakk |
| 20:15.49 | AntonTakk | odd x display things? |
| 20:15.51 | madjo | it doesn't seem too bad |
| 20:15.58 | madjo | but it's not usable for me |
| 20:16.10 | madjo | like a black bar after boot? |
| 20:16.29 | AntonTakk | madjo: the icons in the screen shots on the wiki indicative of the default icons? |
| 20:16.34 | dingman | Right after boot, there's always a black bar across the home screen |
| 20:16.41 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 20:16.44 | madjo | yes, but not that many |
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| 20:16.49 | AntonTakk | it go away on it's own, or? |
| 20:16.52 | madjo | just 8... |
| 20:17.01 | dingman | and sometimes I have to go to the home screen and back to get other apps to re-paint. |
| 20:17.09 | madjo | it went away after I tapped the screen there |
| 20:17.10 | dingman | the black bar goes away if I tap it. |
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| 20:17.27 | AntonTakk | that's minor then :) |
| 20:17.37 | dingman | yup |
| 20:17.45 | AntonTakk | how would you rate it's "polish" ? |
| 20:17.57 | madjo | raw |
| 20:18.08 | madjo | well... that's too harsh |
| 20:18.13 | Torikun | unstable the new image is |
| 20:18.14 | dingman | I'd say it's a lot less polished than the TrollTech image, but shows more promise for customization. |
| 20:18.16 | madjo | it still needs quite a bit of polish |
| 20:18.30 | madjo | sometimes settings menus are hard to get rid off |
| 20:18.41 | dingman | true |
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| 20:18.57 | dingman | And the "options" menu for the clock just won't show up. |
| 20:18.59 | madjo | clicking 'back' removes the buttons at the bottom, but leaves the options up |
| 20:19.14 | madjo | oh it showed up, just very hard to remove :) |
| 20:19.20 | dingman | but I think it's usable now as a basic phone. |
| 20:19.26 | madjo | setting up the timezone was also non-trivial |
| 20:19.37 | dingman | True. How do I do that? |
| 20:19.41 | AntonTakk | hrm, maybe not quite what i was intending to communicate...how much futzing around is there to, say install an app from projects.openmoko.org that has an ipk? |
| 20:19.57 | madjo | I haven't tried that |
| 20:20.08 | AntonTakk | also, gprs? :) |
| 20:20.16 | Torikun | how do you get the command line? |
| 20:20.17 | dingman | The default package feeds are b0rken |
| 20:20.27 | madjo | couldn't get the package manager to find the web (even after I turned on wifi and connected to my unprotected network |
| 20:20.38 | madjo | command line I couldn't find either |
| 20:20.50 | madjo | gprs, not sure, didn't try that yet |
| 20:20.52 | AntonTakk | madjo: and how much was involved in connecting wo the wifi? |
| 20:20.58 | dingman | and there's no way I could find to the command line except by SSHing into the USB |
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| 20:21.03 | madjo | that was pretty easy |
| 20:21.15 | AntonTakk | madjo: gui app, or? |
| 20:21.19 | dingman | that took me one quick wpa_supplicant.conf file |
| 20:21.23 | madjo | open up the settings, then select "wifi" and then select the network |
| 20:21.24 | dingman | Couldn't make the GUI work. |
| 20:21.33 | madjo | the gui worked for me |
| 20:21.41 | madjo | but my network is unprotected |
| 20:21.45 | dingman | But that might just have been my really long WPA key and an inability to type it all right. |
| 20:21.55 | AntonTakk | madjo: the settings work for other things? power, suspend, ringtone? etc |
| 20:22.10 | dingman | power and suspend are working for me |
| 20:22.15 | madjo | haven't really tinkered with that yet |
| 20:22.17 | dingman | haven't tried ringtone. |
| 20:22.24 | madjo | couldn't set it to keylock |
| 20:22.31 | AntonTakk | dingman: automatically? ie: suspend on 4 minutes inactivity? |
| 20:22.37 | dingman | yup |
| 20:22.42 | AntonTakk | nice |
| 20:23.10 | Torikun | Can anyone call someone from their phonebook? |
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| 20:23.41 | AntonTakk | Torikun: i was able to in qtopia, 2007.2 and asu, seems to be very spotty in zhone on fso :) |
| 20:24.11 | Torikun | maybe I should reimage |
| 20:24.11 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:24.15 | AntonTakk | madjo: which imahe you using? |
| 20:24.25 | AntonTakk | image* |
| 20:24.28 | madjo | the latest one |
| 20:24.38 | madjo | 6 august |
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| 20:24.56 | dingman | just called my home phone from my address book, in the 2008.8 image |
| 20:25.06 | AntonTakk | ok, have a link on how to flash uboot? |
| 20:25.18 | Torikun | Graphics keep messing up lol |
| 20:25.20 | madjo | it's in the wiki... |
| 20:25.26 | AntonTakk | ok |
| 20:25.37 | dingman | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 20:25.49 | abraxa_ | AntonTakk: Just to make sure - you read the "get started with your freerunner" page? :) |
| 20:25.50 | Guilt | i can't see the installer .desktop file after opkg update :( |
| 20:25.55 | Guilt | assassin has been killed |
| 20:25.57 | Guilt | :( |
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| 20:26.11 | Guilt | nor can i see the preferences |
| 20:26.16 | Guilt | is there a way to reset this stuff/ |
| 20:26.19 | AntonTakk | abraxa_: yes, last time i read the flashing page thou, it only covered rootfs and kernel |
| 20:26.37 | madjo | where did you find the shell? Guilt :) |
| 20:26.49 | Guilt | shell? |
| 20:26.53 | Guilt | for om2008.8? |
| 20:26.59 | madjo | command line |
| 20:27.00 | madjo | terminal |
| 20:27.02 | Guilt | oh |
| 20:27.03 | madjo | whatever you call it |
| 20:27.03 | Guilt | ssh |
| 20:27.06 | madjo | ah ok |
| 20:27.19 | AntonTakk | also, does that (08/06) uboot have the fix for turning on the fr w/o a charged battery in the phone |
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| 20:27.54 | UndrWater | i'm just not liking the UI... |
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| 20:28.36 | madjo | how can I set the UI to the slider function? |
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| 20:29.19 | spdr | any idea where i can get "wifi-radar" ? |
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| 20:29.47 | madjo | btw, anyone able to get a GPS fix with 2008.8? :) |
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| 20:33.10 | Torikun | I am going back to the old stable firmware |
| 20:33.12 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:33.35 | abraxa_ | UndrWater: "the UI"? |
| 20:33.51 | Tanuva | got the impression that he's messing up his fso install with too many different pkg sources... |
| 20:34.11 | Torikun | WHen will the new firmware be stable? |
| 20:34.14 | abraxa_ | madjo: Whether you get a fix or not depends on the kernel alone, has nothing to do with the distribution |
| 20:34.25 | rysiek|pl | Torikun: in 2 days... theoretically |
| 20:34.27 | rysiek|pl | ;) |
| 20:34.30 | madjo | I also installed the latest kernel |
| 20:34.42 | Torikun | Great rysiek|pl |
| 20:36.21 | Guilt | wait. it's called exposure |
| 20:36.22 | madjo | does the order of flashing have an influence? |
| 20:36.22 | Guilt | aha |
| 20:37.06 | abraxa_ | madjo: nope |
| 20:37.11 | AntonTakk | the flashing page doesn't seem to indicate exactly how to tell which uboot image i should downlod |
| 20:37.26 | AntonTakk | download* |
| 20:37.34 | abraxa_ | AntonTakk: The latest you can find :) |
| 20:38.00 | AntonTakk | no, i mean the various gta02vX versions |
| 20:38.05 | madjo | does this help? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images#Openmoko_2008.8_images_.28ASU.29 |
| 20:38.09 | madjo | gta02v5 |
| 20:38.28 | madjo | oh wait, you say uboot... :) |
| 20:39.21 | AntonTakk | yep :) |
| 20:39.21 | abraxa_ | AntonTakk: The hardware revision is irrelevant for most as only very few models are in the wild that are *not* v5 or v6 |
| 20:39.21 | madjo | inded |
| 20:39.21 | AntonTakk | ok, and as I understand it the diference between v5 and v6 is a capacitor or two |
| 20:39.34 | AntonTakk | not really going to effect uboot :) |
| 20:39.38 | abraxa_ | AntonTakk: Yup |
| 20:39.41 | rysiek|pl | what does the red LED under AUX button indicate? |
| 20:39.42 | AntonTakk | ok |
| 20:39.58 | AntonTakk | rysiek|pl: the led is receiving power ;) |
| 20:40.18 | rysiek|pl | AntonTakk: thank you, Captain Obvious! |
| 20:40.30 | madjo | :P |
| 20:40.38 | AntonTakk | wraps his cape around him and walks off |
| 20:40.41 | madjo | it was burning for me as well |
| 20:41.02 | abraxa_ | rysiek|pl: Currently it indicates charging |
| 20:41.15 | rysiek|pl | thanks |
| 20:41.48 | tdobson | anyone running 2008.8? |
| 20:41.53 | railer | a Red LED in your hand means it's time for CAROUSEL! Don't let the sandman get you! |
| 20:42.22 | dingman | tdobson, at least two of us. |
| 20:42.46 | tdobson | dingman: do most programs for 2007.2 work on it? eg tangoGPS etc... |
| 20:43.05 | dingman | I haven't had any luck with them. |
| 20:43.19 | tdobson | i see. |
| 20:43.28 | dingman | The main problem being that they don't get input from the 2008.8 keyboard. |
| 20:43.32 | Yashy | tangogps works fine with 2007.2 on the neo |
| 20:43.55 | Yashy | just realized he came in late so will just observe hehe |
| 20:44.15 | tdobson | is effectively demoing the neo a bit tomorrow to some mac fan boys and so wants to be in the strongest position possible. |
| 20:44.36 | madjo | best to stick with 2007.2 if you ask me |
| 20:44.43 | tdobson | Yashy: i know :) |
| 20:44.53 | railer | tdobson goqtopia |
| 20:45.17 | tdobson | madjo: well considering i have about 2 hours to hack and i have, erm 4 days experience with 2007 i'll stick with that |
| 20:45.25 | madjo | heh |
| 20:45.45 | madjo | well I just threw out my well working 2007.2 image for an incomplete 2008.8 image :S |
| 20:46.04 | madjo | well it was well enough |
| 20:46.05 | rysiek|pl | madjo: same here, although I am back on 2007.2 |
| 20:46.17 | madjo | nah, I'm going to try 2008.8 |
| 20:46.23 | madjo | it's not my day-to-day phone yet |
| 20:46.28 | dingman | The only thing I've had working really smoothly was the QTopia image, but there's so much more potential in the others. |
| 20:46.30 | tdobson | okies. i'll wait til i don't have an important thing coming up |
| 20:46.43 | tdobson | madjo: i seem to be suffering from the sim card hardware issue |
| 20:46.51 | tdobson | which is really annoying |
| 20:46.55 | madjo | don't have a spare simcard here :) |
| 20:46.59 | dingman | The sad thing for me is that I actually think that 2008.8 is as functional for me as my Treo 650. |
| 20:47.04 | tdobson | (some sim cards don't seem to work with the neo) |
| 20:47.31 | madjo | btw, what are those weird +s at the bottom of certain settings screens? |
| 20:47.53 | tdobson | the Treo 650 i used to *dream* of getting one of those. needless to say, what i have now is better :) |
| 20:48.15 | El_Senator | madjo: probably placeholders |
| 20:48.19 | abraxa_ | tdobson: "one of those"? |
| 20:48.32 | dingman | tdobson, I got one (or rather, had my employer buy me one) the month it came out. Worst tech purchase I've ever made. |
| 20:48.50 | tdobson | madjo: i have spare sim cards. but i got them all at the same time from the same operator and they are the same model. so it's annoying |
| 20:49.01 | madjo | ah |
| 20:49.07 | AntonTakk | ok, uboot and kernel done, flashing 2008.8(.6) :) |
| 20:49.36 | tdobson | dingman: hmm. i used to have a palm zire 31. it sucked for everything but it was practically indestructible.... |
| 20:49.48 | Torikun | what is the latest repo address for 2007.2 |
| 20:50.16 | AntonTakk | tdobson: i have a block of virgin delrite, highlighy similar user experience |
| 20:50.22 | dingman | tdobson: The 650 is the only Palm device I've ever had that I didn't like. Can't say I had a Zire, though. |
| 20:50.43 | madjo | hmmm I was able to change the clock settings earlier |
| 20:51.30 | tdobson | the zire was a lightweight cheap end colour device. really low resolution made is suck for the things you thought it must be useful for. |
| 20:52.17 | tdobson | the "classic" palm pdas seem to be much better (but when i say indestructible i mean, drop tested, water tested, soft drinks tested..... |
| 20:52.22 | madjo | the alarm screen, can't alter the "change" settings :) |
| 20:52.55 | tdobson | AntonTakk: these are o2. pay and go sims |
| 20:53.21 | AntonTakk | er, ok |
| 20:53.31 | madjo | when opening the time settings... the time gets reset to 20.00 12/31/7999 |
| 20:54.02 | AntonTakk | software from the future++ |
| 20:54.05 | tdobson | cool. does it tick forward from there? |
| 20:54.28 | madjo | and the keyboard won't open:( |
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| 20:57.03 | Tanuva | madjo: what I'd find interesting: why exactly 7999? Did nostradamus promise something terrible to happen there? :D |
| 20:57.05 | madjo | *grin*, now the 'options' and 'back' buttons disappear at the clock screen... haha |
| 20:57.29 | Zork | that is just before 8000, they seem to like the number 8 |
| 20:57.43 | dingman | madjo, that's what I was experiencing |
| 20:57.57 | madjo | I could get to that screen just now, just not save the settings |
| 20:59.07 | Tanuva | I had the same issue, must exist since quite a while |
| 21:00.34 | Tanuva | boot, baby, boot... |
| 21:00.47 | AntonTakk | haha |
| 21:01.04 | madjo | oh damn... have to setup the opkg files |
| 21:01.06 | madjo | :) |
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| 21:02.19 | Tanuva | would like to see all these different repos being merged into one community-repo to prevent version conflicts etc... |
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| 21:02.38 | tdobson | +1 |
| 21:02.54 | dingman | would like to be able to find the repos at all |
| 21:02.58 | Tanuva | *g* |
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| 21:03.35 | Guilt | hey. any idea what the correct method is? |
| 21:03.35 | Guilt | Method "addContact" with signature "s" on interface "org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.addressbook.Book" doesn't exist |
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| 21:04.38 | tdobson | Tanuva: from what i understand it just needs someone to take responsibility for the "multiverse" repo and they all can be merged |
| 21:04.43 | tdobson | dingman: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories |
| 21:05.15 | madjo | which ones for 2008.8? :P |
| 21:05.44 | madjo | btw, suspend.. if you mean, screen blanking? then that works... |
| 21:06.00 | madjo | power-saving mode... doesn't seem so |
| 21:06.02 | dingman | tdobson, I must be using them wrong, 'cause I can't run 'opkg upgrade' |
| 21:06.18 | madjo | which distro are you using? dingman |
| 21:06.20 | tdobson | can you ping google.com? |
| 21:06.21 | Tanuva | tdobson: if I just had the knowledge to do so :/ |
| 21:06.47 | tdobson | Tanuva: likewise. or i possibly do but haven't looked carefully enough. |
| 21:07.02 | dingman | madjo, openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk--20080806-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 21:07.25 | AntonTakk | er |
| 21:07.26 | madjo | hmm, did you set up the repository files? (in /etc/opkg) |
| 21:07.41 | madjo | those still point to "my-distribution.org" which is incorrect |
| 21:07.45 | madjo | dummy files |
| 21:07.46 | dingman | I did something to them. Might even have been right. |
| 21:08.25 | dingman | src/gz daily-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all |
| 21:08.31 | dingman | src/gz base http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/ |
| 21:08.36 | dingman | src/gz daily-armv4t http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t |
| 21:08.43 | dingman | src/gz daily-community-repository http://downloads.openmoko.org/community-repository |
| 21:08.45 | tdobson | madjo: the 2008.8 repos is probably http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CommunityRepository |
| 21:08.53 | dingman | src/gz daily-om-gta02 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02 |
| 21:08.53 | XorA|gone | there is a replacement package in people.openmoko.org/graeme to fix the feed paths |
| 21:09.06 | Centaur5 | Does anybody else have the menu options at the bottom of the screen constantly disappear and have the home screen there instead? |
| 21:09.23 | madjo | yup Centaur5 |
| 21:09.26 | dingman | I wouldn't say constantly, but it happens. |
| 21:09.41 | Centaur5 | madjo: okay, I was just wondering if I screwed up a repository. |
| 21:11.15 | rysiek|pl | guys, I have downloaded the latest 2007.2 (devel), and am unable to install openmoko-agpsui |
| 21:11.20 | rysiek|pl | not present in the repos |
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| 21:11.31 | dingman | huh. I said I couldn't get update to work, then tried it again to get the exact error message, and it worked. |
| 21:11.33 | madjo | add the scaredycat repo |
| 21:11.40 | rysiek|pl | done |
| 21:11.46 | rysiek|pl | madjo: not there, either |
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| 21:11.57 | madjo | huh, weird |
| 21:12.22 | dingman | madjo, do you have a working terminal and/or web browser? |
| 21:12.38 | madjo | ssh'ed into the device |
| 21:12.39 | abraxa_ | rysiek|pl: Did you try openmoko-agpsui2 ? |
| 21:12.40 | rysiek|pl | madjo: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/ |
| 21:12.43 | madjo | still need to set it up |
| 21:12.53 | dingman | madjo, so far, me too. |
| 21:12.54 | rysiek|pl | abraxa_: tried opkg list | grep agps |
| 21:12.57 | madjo | still need to find the repos for 2008.8 |
| 21:12.59 | abraxa_ | rysiek|pl: Ah ok |
| 21:13.08 | dingman | Tried openmoko-terminal2, but it didn't work. |
| 21:13.17 | dingman | Launched, but couldn't type |
| 21:13.36 | madjo | seems to me that ASU is one step forward and 5 steps back |
| 21:13.36 | rysiek|pl | ffs |
| 21:13.45 | matholio | I flashed 200808, but there's not terminal and usb/wifi seems not to work. anyone have a different experience of 200808 ? |
| 21:13.50 | Blalien | is there a special way to run python scripts? |
| 21:13.54 | madjo | wifi works for me, matholio |
| 21:14.13 | madjo | but indeed terminal is missing |
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| 21:14.32 | dingman | matholio, me too, both counts. |
| 21:14.33 | matholio | madjo: how do you know if your conected via wifi? |
| 21:15.02 | madjo | I wasn't sure... I just tried to ssh into the first available IP address in my network |
| 21:15.05 | madjo | and it worked |
| 21:15.07 | matholio | any indicator? my find the AP but does not ovbiously connect. |
| 21:15.24 | madjo | in the top bar, you see the signal strength |
| 21:15.39 | madjo | right next to the clock |
| 21:16.06 | Blalien | Did someone try to connect a bluetooth headset? |
| 21:16.27 | railer | I did with qtopia |
| 21:16.43 | railer | it connected but no sound through mic |
| 21:17.09 | railer | but nice gui and it did connect well |
| 21:17.09 | Blalien | railer: Ok thanks, and how did you do this? |
| 21:17.32 | railer | there's a GUI on qtopia |
| 21:17.32 | Blalien | railer: ahh oke, so there's a gui in qtopiq for it |
| 21:19.15 | madjo | I could only turn it on or off |
| 21:19.21 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 21:19.22 | madjo | in ASU |
| 21:19.42 | dingman | Anyone have a version of df-util that sucessfully backs up a FreeRunner? I'd really like to be able to save an image before I futz with things, but it doesn't seem to work for me. |
| 21:19.44 | AntonTakk | 2008.8 from 8/6 doesn't seem to do the usb networking thing properly |
| 21:20.05 | dingman | and when I try to just read /dev/mtdblock1, it stops after a few K. |
| 21:20.17 | dingman | I presume when it sees the first EOF character. |
| 21:20.25 | madjo | I'd like that one as well, dingman :) |
| 21:21.32 | rysiek|pl | what would be a decent TTFF for the old GTA02 (without the hardware GPS fix), but on the latest kernel (i.e. with a software fix)? |
| 21:21.44 | Blalien | Has someone else succesfully connected a bluetooth headset in openmoko? |
| 21:21.44 | dingman | what I'm using at the moment is dfu-util "version 0.1+svnexported" from the package in Debian unstable. |
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| 21:22.28 | dingman | tried to connect my car last night in the QTopia image. Managed to hang the FreeRunner, but that was all. |
| 21:22.52 | lindi- | dingman: EOF character? |
| 21:23.05 | dingman | ^D |
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| 21:23.22 | madjo | rysiek|pl, it should be within a minute.. but I haven't been able to get it that far |
| 21:23.24 | lindi- | dingman: but that only applies to terminals? |
| 21:23.35 | dingman | Well... it should |
| 21:23.37 | Torikun | Is the GPS supposed to automatically work? |
| 21:23.38 | lindi- | dingman: are you cat'ing the binary file to your terminal? |
| 21:23.41 | rysiek|pl | madjo: damn, 5mins and counting here :/ |
| 21:23.42 | madjo | mind you I live on the ground floor of a flat,and I only tried it on my balcony |
| 21:23.57 | madjo | with or without SD card? |
| 21:23.58 | madjo | :) |
| 21:24.01 | rysiek|pl | with |
| 21:24.02 | madjo | (just checking) |
| 21:24.02 | dingman | lindi: no, I'm catting it to 'nc -l -p 200' |
| 21:24.13 | rysiek|pl | madjo: with, but WITH the software fix |
| 21:24.23 | lindi- | dingman: then no terminal should be involved |
| 21:24.28 | madjo | I haven't been able to get a fix myself |
| 21:24.45 | rysiek|pl | previously it took 10-20+ mins |
| 21:24.53 | dingman | no, but both dd and cat in the QTopia image quit not very far in to the HD image. |
| 21:24.59 | rysiek|pl | now I hoped to get some improvements... |
| 21:25.00 | dingman | That seems the most likely reason |
| 21:25.12 | lindi- | dingman: sounds very odd |
| 21:25.15 | madjo | it should be pretty quick, if I have to believe the mailing list |
| 21:25.23 | dingman | they don't do that on a full-on Linux install, but the busybox versions of tools are often a little quirky. |
| 21:25.27 | lindi- | dingman: ^D is definitely a property of terminal device |
| 21:26.08 | madjo | btw, how do I change the UI in 2008.8 to the slider UI? |
| 21:26.11 | dingman | lindi-: not arguing about what should be. Just know I've seen a few programs that reacted to it that way even though they weren't terminals |
| 21:26.28 | dingman | madjo, I think it's in the launcher prefs. |
| 21:27.00 | lindi- | dingman: can you reproduce it reliably? |
| 21:27.05 | lindi- | dingman: strace? |
| 21:27.20 | dingman | lindi-, yes, haven't straced it. |
| 21:27.24 | lindi- | dingman: please do |
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| 21:29.48 | madjo | can't access the launcher prefs |
| 21:30.52 | dingman | lindi-, where should I put the strace output. Pasting it all here would be rude. |
| 21:31.07 | abraxa_ | ~pastebin |
| 21:31.08 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 21:31.22 | Guilt | i cant use my contacts well on 2008.8 :(( |
| 21:31.30 | Guilt | i do have them in a .vcf format |
| 21:31.45 | Guilt | it worked beautifully on evolution. unfortunately it breaks on 2008.8 |
| 21:31.46 | Guilt | grr |
| 21:31.46 | madjo | I get a black screen when I start that app |
| 21:31.50 | lindi- | dingman: webserver or rafb.net/paste probably |
| 21:32.15 | Guilt | i have no idea what the contacts application expects from the vcf file |
| 21:32.21 | Guilt | can someone send me a sample contact? |
| 21:32.56 | madjo | I doubt the 2008.8 release on friday is any useful, |
| 21:32.56 | abraxa_ | Guilt: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts |
| 21:33.16 | Guilt | like I said, i have the vcf file |
| 21:33.21 | Guilt | and it works on 2007.2 |
| 21:33.25 | Guilt | but not qtopa |
| 21:33.40 | Guilt | qtopia/2008.8 :-) |
| 21:34.01 | Guilt | running the addressbook app doesnt help. i dont see any names or numbers being imported. |
| 21:34.24 | AntonTakk | 2008.8 from 8/6 doesn't seem to do the usb networking properly |
| 21:34.55 | madjo | howso, AntonTakk? |
| 21:35.45 | dingman | lindi-, http://rafb.net/p/JBLe2o36.html |
| 21:36.05 | AntonTakk | i have it connected and can't ping or ssh to 192.168.0.202 |
| 21:36.27 | madjo | how did you connect to it? |
| 21:36.44 | AntonTakk | ...i plugged the usb cable in at both ends |
| 21:36.53 | madjo | you did ifconfig usb0 ? :) |
| 21:37.05 | AntonTakk | handled automatically |
| 21:37.09 | dingman | lindi-, hold on, looks like the docs I was looking at were pointing me to the wrong root device |
| 21:37.13 | AntonTakk | usb0 is up and working on my desktop |
| 21:37.33 | AntonTakk | set it up weeks ago and haven't had any problems till now |
| 21:37.40 | madjo | hmmm... |
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| 21:37.46 | madjo | good question then... |
| 21:37.52 | madjo | I'll try it here... just a sec |
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| 21:38.31 | lindi- | dingman: yeah, as you can see it doesn't read ^D |
| 21:38.41 | dingman | yup |
| 21:39.04 | dingman | I also see that the block device size doesn't match up with what I was reading that said #1 was root. |
| 21:39.15 | dingman | Am I right that I really want #4? |
| 21:39.30 | ConfidentiaL1 | Is there a working file browser for openmoko? |
| 21:39.56 | kelvie | there's a terminal :P |
| 21:39.59 | madjo | indeed... AntonTakk, it seems broken here too |
| 21:40.17 | madjo | I found one in scaredy cats repository |
| 21:42.28 | madjo | do I still need the neo1973 feed for the gta2v5? :) |
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| 21:45.40 | AntonTakk | madjo: seems to work when booting fr with usb connected |
| 21:46.30 | Blalien | when I try to run the headset script I get the following error: sh: headset: Permission denied |
| 21:46.42 | kd8ikt | chmod +x it |
| 21:47.03 | madjo | how do I turn my phone off with 2008.8? |
| 21:47.04 | madjo | :) |
| 21:47.13 | AntonTakk | hold the power button down |
| 21:47.16 | safiiru | What does official release of 2008.8 mean if it is unstable? |
| 21:47.19 | AntonTakk | for a little bit |
| 21:47.26 | madjo | 15 seconds? |
| 21:47.33 | AntonTakk | that should do it |
| 21:47.56 | madjo | with 2007.2 I got a nice screen where I could select "shutdown" |
| 21:48.01 | kd8ikt | or pull up a console and type "shutdown now" |
| 21:48.04 | madjo | but there I could also use the power button to close apps |
| 21:48.13 | madjo | a console? in 2008.8? where? |
| 21:48.15 | AntonTakk | said the repos for 2008.8 were broken? ir is it just the config shipped in the image that is broken? |
| 21:48.18 | kd8ikt | asu sucks thats all there is too it |
| 21:48.32 | madjo | the repos in the image are incorrect |
| 21:48.47 | AntonTakk | and docs on fixing that? |
| 21:48.51 | madjo | so far I'm inclined to agree with you kd8ikt :) |
| 21:49.05 | madjo | but I'd like to help to let it suck less :) |
| 21:49.14 | madjo | am looking for the same info, AntonTakk |
| 21:49.26 | madjo | so far hand adding the repos myself isn't working for me |
| 21:49.41 | madjo | adding them manually I mean |
| 21:49.42 | safiiru | Can someone recommend me the least frusterating image they know of to flash onto my fr? |
| 21:49.47 | rysiek|pl | 18mins and still no GPS FF |
| 21:50.11 | AntonTakk | safiiru: asu from 7/15 |
| 21:50.28 | Blalien | What can I do about the followinf error : sh: headset: Permission ? |
| 21:50.32 | madjo | really? AntonTakk... that one is usable? ok |
| 21:50.34 | UndrWater | rysiek|pl: are you inside? |
| 21:50.39 | safiiru | AntonTakk: Thank you, I will try that one. |
| 21:50.52 | AntonTakk | madjo: used it as my daily phone for several weeks |
| 21:51.04 | safiiru | AntonTakk: Does that also mean I should not opkg upgrade from that or it will get messed up? |
| 21:51.11 | rysiek|pl | UndrWater: yeah, I have got only roof above me though; and BEFORE flashing I got fixes after 15mins her |
| 21:51.26 | rysiek|pl | UndrWater: now, AFTER flashing, it's 20mins and still naught |
| 21:51.27 | madjo | then something is broken, rysiek|pl :S |
| 21:51.31 | AntonTakk | safiiru: imho, yes |
| 21:51.43 | safiiru | AntonTakk: k |
| 21:51.50 | rysiek|pl | madjo: well I'd never! |
| 21:51.57 | madjo | I'm going to get the 7/15 one then, AntonTakk... |
| 21:52.00 | madjo | ;) |
| 21:52.11 | UndrWater | rysiek|pl: i've noticed that any obstruction to open sky creates fix problems...as soon as i have about 30 degree open sky, FF is about a minute or two |
| 21:52.30 | madjo | under which image, UndrWater? |
| 21:52.49 | UndrWater | ahh...that was 2007...haven't yet tried gps under other images |
| 21:53.00 | rysiek|pl | great, but as I said - in the same circumstances (on an older image though) I got fix in ~15mins |
| 21:53.19 | UndrWater | so...software related problem... |
| 21:53.27 | rysiek|pl | UndrWater: and now I am on the newer kernel that is supposed to have Teh Magic Software Fix(tm) |
| 21:53.46 | safiiru | If I sit outside my house, it will often take much longer to get a fix than if I walk down the street |
| 21:53.57 | UndrWater | rysiek|pl: you might see if there's a diff between card in and card out |
| 21:54.10 | rysiek|pl | ? |
| 21:54.20 | UndrWater | SD card |
| 21:54.31 | madjo | UndrWater, wasnt that fix supposed to help with getting a fix with the sd card inserted? |
| 21:54.36 | rysiek|pl | UndrWater: right |
| 21:54.38 | UndrWater | i know new kernel is supposed to fix it... |
| 21:54.43 | UndrWater | but just to check |
| 21:55.01 | UndrWater | process of elimination |
| 21:55.07 | Torikun | Will the 2007 Image be updated anymore |
| 21:55.14 | madjo | well I removed the card from my moko, and tried to get a fix with 2008.8 (image of 0806) and nothing |
| 21:55.22 | madjo | I doubt it Torikun |
| 21:55.25 | madjo | sadly |
| 21:55.28 | UndrWater | Torikun: apparently some folks will maintain it...dunno wh |
| 21:55.29 | UndrWater | who |
| 21:55.46 | Torikun | There is not a good useable version yet of anything |
| 21:55.48 | madjo | how is FSO coming along. Anyone know? |
| 21:55.58 | UndrWater | is flashing FSO now |
| 21:56.00 | madjo | well 2007 was pretty usable to me :) |
| 21:56.10 | safiiru | The phone stuff worked when I tried FSO. |
| 21:56.20 | madjo | UndrWater, do you have a working dfu-util to make image backups? :) |
| 21:56.45 | UndrWater | madjo: haven't tried it yet |
| 21:56.59 | UndrWater | but my dfu-util works for flashing |
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| 21:57.09 | UndrWater | what's the backup process? |
| 21:57.20 | madjo | a D instead of a U ... :) |
| 21:57.36 | PierreY | hi there |
| 21:58.12 | madjo | I meant that in reverse |
| 21:58.19 | PierreY | MokoMakefile fails building, I want to try clean-package... but I don't know how to find the package name |
| 21:58.34 | madjo | something like this: ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U good-rootfs.jffs2 |
| 21:58.47 | madjo | a U instead of a D |
| 21:59.42 | madjo | well,I'm calling it a night |
| 21:59.51 | madjo | tomorrow, back to my old phone |
| 22:00.46 | UndrWater | so that pulls off the root file system...and places it on the PC? |
| 22:01.01 | madjo | yup |
| 22:01.05 | madjo | well that's the idea |
| 22:01.07 | dingman | except that it dies partway through, that is |
| 22:01.12 | madjo | for me, it fails with a usb error -110 |
| 22:01.22 | madjo | takes about 14k, and then stops |
| 22:01.22 | UndrWater | hmmm...where is it documented? |
| 22:01.34 | Torikun | What is the best OS to install on this phone>? |
| 22:01.46 | pjz | Torikun: linux |
| 22:01.53 | Torikun | pjzDistro |
| 22:01.56 | UndrWater | Torikun: debian? |
| 22:02.05 | Torikun | Nothing really works good on any distro so far |
| 22:02.16 | madjo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup |
| 22:02.17 | pjz | qtopia is reasonably usable |
| 22:02.26 | Torikun | but it does not have gps or web |
| 22:02.31 | Torikun | 2 big features |
| 22:02.31 | pjz | yup |
| 22:02.32 | madjo | UndrWater, on that link I just pasted :) |
| 22:02.41 | lindi- | UndrWater: emdebian would be ideal probably, the phone apps could then just be debian packages on top of it |
| 22:02.47 | UndrWater | madjo: tnks...i'll give it a try |
| 22:02.51 | pjz | Torikun: that's why it's called a developers phone |
| 22:02.58 | Torikun | ;p; |
| 22:03.26 | UndrWater | lindi-: i have no doubt the gentoo folks will try as well ;) |
| 22:03.38 | UndrWater | emerge dialer |
| 22:03.52 | lindi- | UndrWater: yep sure |
| 22:04.02 | madjo | good night everyone |
| 22:04.29 | lindi- | UndrWater: but then you'd need to be really careful not to accidentally bring any non-free stuff |
| 22:04.33 | safiiru | I just find it hard to figure out where to start developing when I often can't keep my phone from imploding all the time :P |
| 22:04.36 | rysiek|pl | anybody any ideas why mediaplayer might not load? |
| 22:05.05 | UndrWater | lindi-: easily controlled in /etc/make.conf |
| 22:05.26 | railer | safiiru: your phone actually implodes! Can I get the code for that? |
| 22:05.31 | safiiru | :) |
| 22:05.44 | lindi- | UndrWater: unfortunately not, those who write ebuilds usually just trust what upstream says and don't check the copyright issues |
| 22:06.00 | Tanuva | railer: you could overcharge the battery and by that time also burn the charger by pulling too much energy :D |
| 22:06.48 | safiiru | railer: while(true){if(rand() % 2) implode();} |
| 22:06.53 | railer | Tanuva: that's sounds like a hardware solution, let the network guys do that. |
| 22:07.25 | lindi- | UndrWater: unfortunately copyright issues can't yet be analyzed automatically with software :) |
| 22:08.35 | UndrWater | lindi-: maintainers check ebuilds before they're made official... |
| 22:08.36 | Torikun | How do you all recomend Qtopia? |
| 22:08.48 | Tanuva | railer: you can do that by software, have a look at the /sys-jungle ;) |
| 22:08.50 | AntonTakk | deleted :) |
| 22:09.15 | lindi- | UndrWater: but afaik they don't check the license texts of each file |
| 22:09.29 | lindi- | UndrWater: see e.g. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168616 |
| 22:09.43 | safiiru | Is there any sort of automated testing that goes on after a build? |
| 22:10.12 | abraxa_ | safiiru: That's a good one |
| 22:10.18 | safiiru | heh |
| 22:10.52 | Tanuva | yay, my neo suspends again after all... |
| 22:11.07 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 22:11.41 | AntonTakk | i think i'm actually fairly attached to fso's ringtone |
| 22:11.43 | Tanuva | but it doesnt come up. |
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| 22:13.39 | safiiru | It is very liberating when you write tests for all your code, after you get past the freakyness of complex things working on the first time you run them. |
| 22:13.42 | UndrWater | Torikun: what do you want to do? |
| 22:13.59 | Torikun | Iwanted to use all the features |
| 22:14.05 | Torikun | Seems like Qtopia is the most stable |
| 22:14.07 | Torikun | and useable |
| 22:14.18 | UndrWater | it pretty much is... |
| 22:14.26 | Torikun | How well will 2008 be? |
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| 22:14.32 | Torikun | I can not wait |
| 22:14.58 | emdete | mickey_away: are you around? |
| 22:15.00 | UndrWater | lindi-: looking at the "openness" of this phone, it's not so clear either... |
| 22:15.04 | lindi- | UndrWater: also. "amanda" is tagged with LICENSE="as-is" |
| 22:15.12 | UndrWater | lindi-: right |
| 22:15.12 | lindi- | UndrWater: and "spim" is tagged with LICENSE="as-is" |
| 22:15.21 | lindi- | UndrWater: amanda is free, spim is not. how do you tell the difference? |
| 22:15.22 | UndrWater | but i suppose we can control the software |
| 22:15.27 | UndrWater | right! |
| 22:15.49 | bkruse | emdete: Judging by his nick saying away, and that it is 2-3AM in taiwan now :] |
| 22:16.18 | lindi- | UndrWater: even python-mode is tagged LICENSE="as-is" |
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| 22:16.34 | UndrWater | ah well... |
| 22:16.46 | abraxa_ | safiiru: If Openmoko would test *anything*, we wouldn't be in the dilemmas we are in today. |
| 22:16.56 | UndrWater | i was curious what portage on my 8G SD card would be like ;) |
| 22:16.56 | lindi- | UndrWater: so unfortunately free software does not seem to be a high priority there :( |
| 22:16.58 | emdete | bkruse: mickey's states are always kind of weird ;) |
| 22:17.07 | bkruse | Very true :) |
| 22:17.38 | emdete | abraxa_: i lately compiled "git" - did you ever do that? it comes with around 300 test cases runing after a compile!! |
| 22:17.53 | abraxa_ | emdete: Yeah I read |
| 22:17.55 | UndrWater | lindi-: how important is it for all the software to be free? |
| 22:18.06 | Tanuva | is there somewhere an overview which ring of the 4-ringed-headset-jack carries what? |
| 22:18.20 | Tanuva | wants to solder an 2.5->3.5mm adaptor |
| 22:18.32 | trix | is there a toggle keyboard on/off for minimo using multitap-pad |
| 22:18.50 | emdete | Tanuva: you can buy those - as far as i know it's as nokia does it |
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| 22:19.01 | safiiru | abraxa_: It is not very professional. I write concurrent programs that run over 100s of machines now, and If I just guessed it worked, that would be like ~$100 wasted every time something failed. |
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| 22:19.13 | Tanuva | emdete: but buying them is far more expensive than soldering it myself :) |
| 22:19.37 | orzo | is there any replacement battery that lasts longer for the neo1973? |
| 22:19.44 | orzo | does the freerunner come with a longer lasting battery? |
| 22:19.52 | emdete | Tanuva: not true: i got mine for around 2.5eur |
| 22:20.14 | Tanuva | emdete: oh. maybe my info is out of date |
| 22:20.35 | emdete | Tanuva: and self soldered is larger anyway... |
| 22:20.40 | UndrWater | orzo: not an answer to your question...but how much time are you getting? |
| 22:21.05 | orzo | i dont know, 5 hours or so |
| 22:21.10 | safiiru | I guess the Linux Kernel itself doesn't even have unit tests though, does it. |
| 22:21.37 | Tanuva | emdete: that's my main problem, I can't find a 2.5mm-4ring-angulated one |
| 22:22.00 | orzo | i understand power managemetn can be improved, but really,... i don't think it can be improved enough |
| 22:22.28 | Tanuva | emdete: and it's the one for nokia that does the job? |
| 22:22.50 | abraxa_ | safiiru: Nothing I can tell you here. All I know is that a good amount of the people working for Openmoko in Taiwan aren't doing their job right. |
| 22:23.08 | emdete | Tanuva: i wonder why mo does pack a headphone - a adapter with a ppt-switch and micro would be nice. samsung starts to deliver those only |
| 22:23.13 | orzo | maybe a clip on battery pack would make it more useful |
| 22:23.19 | emdete | Tanuva: yes, i bought that kind and it works |
| 22:23.30 | emdete | Tanuva: no micro.. |
| 22:24.41 | mmontour | Tanuva: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/013791.html |
| 22:25.05 | Tanuva | emdete: I just want stereo out :) |
| 22:25.59 | UndrWater | orzo: what are your expectations? |
| 22:26.04 | Tanuva | mmontour: ha, thanks :) |
| 22:26.26 | emdete | Tanuva: shure, but dont forget to unplug when starting to take a phonecall |
| 22:26.34 | Tanuva | emdete: Did you buy your one on the net and have some url? I'm just infiltrating amazon and can't find ones for nokia with 4 rings... |
| 22:26.55 | Tanuva | or does the 3 ringed one do it? |
| 22:27.04 | mmontour | AFAIK it's the Motorola adapter that you want, not the Nokia one |
| 22:27.18 | Tanuva | oh. now this is getting interesting Oo |
| 22:27.23 | orzo | UndrWater: at least 12 hours if i'm not using gps |
| 22:27.35 | orzo | actually |
| 22:27.40 | emdete | Tanuva: it was on german ebay... |
| 22:27.45 | orzo | the bluetooth in the neo is useless because of its poor battery life |
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| 22:27.58 | orzo | you have to tether it up any chance you get anyway |
| 22:27.59 | mmontour | www.pinouts.ru or something has data for lots of different connectors, so you can probably look there and compare the wiring to what the FR uses |
| 22:28.02 | orzo | so whats the point of wireless |
| 22:28.17 | Snaarf | hi guys, anyone got a url for the mplayer package handy? |
| 22:28.27 | Tanuva | emdete: hmmm.. so I continue searching for one, at least I now know what to search for :) |
| 22:28.32 | orzo | gota go |
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| 22:35.49 | Torikun | When Qtopia says no network, does it mean I am having SIMissues or no signal? |
| 22:36.12 | Tanuva | the latter i'd say |
| 22:36.27 | kelvie | Tanuva: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3541 isn't this it? |
| 22:36.27 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r82a067a75462 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Use right method _rightHandSide in SimGetSimInfo |
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| 22:36.41 | kelvie | $1.30 US, free shipping worldwide |
| 22:36.47 | Torikun | any qtopia people here? When will there be an update? |
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| 22:37.42 | Tanuva | kelvie: free worldwide shipping for a $1.30 device, that's... strange XD |
| 22:37.47 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra9bf6a3043ba 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: ok. qwerty gone. |
| 22:37.47 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r93505f24794e 10/conf/distro/ (include/sane-srcrevs.inc openmoko.conf): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 22:37.58 | Tanuva | kelvie: but that adaptor should work, you say? |
| 22:38.26 | kelvie | I'm not sure (waiting for the GPS fix before I get my FR), but I ordered one of those |
| 22:38.31 | abraxa_ | Torikun: lpotter / ljp is the qtopia person here (not ASU/2008.8, though) |
| 22:38.31 | kelvie | it's 4-pin to stereo 3.5 |
| 22:38.44 | Torikun | ty abraxa_ |
| 22:38.48 | Torikun | Qtopia is really nice |
| 22:39.19 | kelvie | Tanuva: and they have free shipping for $0.50 items :p |
| 22:39.36 | kelvie | often times I would just go there and buy one or two items under $2 and have them ship separately |
| 22:40.03 | Tanuva | kelvie: it's important which 2.5mm ring is linked to which 3.5mm ring...but there can't go much wrong for $1.30, especially because I'm in europe and will be paying in ⬠:D |
| 22:40.51 | kelvie | Tanuva: er crap.. I think that one's wrong |
| 22:40.53 | kelvie | it's backwards |
| 22:40.57 | kelvie | it's a male 3.5mm I think |
| 22:41.07 | Tanuva | its not |
| 22:41.20 | kelvie | wait is it... |
| 22:41.22 | kelvie | I can't tell :P |
| 22:41.24 | Tanuva | the headline says "4-Ping 2.5mm to 3.5mm" |
| 22:41.55 | Tanuva | s/3.5mm/3.5mm stereo/ |
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| 22:42.33 | kelvie | ah, oka |
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| 22:42.45 | kelvie | either way I've ordered one |
| 22:42.51 | kelvie | hard to go wrong for less than a euro for you guys :p |
| 22:43.01 | Tanuva | I think I'll do the same |
| 22:43.37 | Tanuva | hope that my father's credit card doesn't have transaction fees or something like that :D |
| 22:43.43 | AntonTakk | meh, going back to fso |
| 22:43.47 | Tanuva | (since I don't have my own card yet) |
| 22:44.25 | tdobson | Tanuva: you aren't uk based are you? # http://www.blog.tdobson.net/node/232 |
| 22:44.56 | Tanuva | tdobson: no, germany :) |
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| 22:45.22 | Tanuva | kelvie: damn! they only accept paypal and I definitely won't ever open up a paypal account again... |
| 22:45.59 | tdobson | Tanuva: bah. :) it was worth asking :) |
| 22:46.42 | Tanuva | returns to amazon and ebay for his hunt |
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| 23:02.13 | spdr | how do i get rid off the X missed calls? |
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| 23:06.58 | hipitihop_ | anyone know or have link to doco for qtopia phone stack ? I want to find the contacts file/db to backup to my desktop |
| 23:07.54 | rwhitby | XorA|gone: ping - why does linux-openmoko in .dev still not find the neo1973_pm_gps.h file - I thought that was fixed? |
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| 23:15.46 | abraxa_ | Has anyone used opkg on FSO? |
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| 23:19.08 | pjz | I have, kind of |
| 23:19.40 | pjz | I just put the angstrom distro in my /etc/opkg dir |
| 23:20.01 | pjz | oh, and there's a new fso feed that's there but only showed up like yestrday or something and I think I put that in there too |
| 23:20.10 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r6e14ebcb01f5 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Append the subscriber numbers as name, number tuple. |
| 23:20.53 | hipitihop_ | abraxa_, I have also once but have flashed back to qtopia stack |
| 23:20.55 | abraxa_ | pjz: So you haven't encountered the "An error ocurred, return value: 2." issue, I take it? |
| 23:21.39 | pjz | abraxa_: that usually means the package you wanted to install doesn't exist |
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| 23:23.28 | abraxa_ | pjz: It does, but I "solved" it by downloading the ipk manually |
| 23:24.10 | pjz | abraxa_: so now you do opkg install foo.ipk and you get that? |
| 23:24.51 | pjz | reboots his phone into FSO |
| 23:25.01 | abraxa_ | pjz: Other way round "opkg install python-difflib" gives me the error, "opkg install python-difflib-moo.ipk" installs the package I downloaded with no complaints |
| 23:25.19 | rwhitby | is going to build the openmoko-feed task for fso on the nslu2-linux.org autobuilder and put some feeds up for gta01 and gta02 |
| 23:25.49 | pjz | abraxa_: do opkg list |grep python-difflib and see if it's listed |
| 23:26.02 | pjz | abraxa_: sounds to me like opkg can't find it on any of your feeds |
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| 23:27.02 | ljp | hipitihop_: its in ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite |
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| 23:27.52 | abraxa_ | rwhitby: I know it's a tad off-topic here but since you're the father of nslu2-linux.org I figure I should ask. At home I'm using my slug as a router and thus touch it pretty rarely. Hence I'm running an older kernel (it came with SlugOS 3 I think). I needed some modules but couldn't find them anymore, while the modules built by the master makefile were of a conflicting kernel version. Is there any way this mess can be avoided? |
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| 23:28.40 | rwhitby | abraxa_: you can use the master makefile to build a previous release |
| 23:28.55 | rwhitby | and the modules should be in our binary release feed |
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| 23:29.00 | rwhitby | (assuming you used a binary release) |
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| 23:29.34 | abraxa_ | rwhitby: Is there any way to find out what release I flashed? I'm pretty sure I flashed SlugOS 3 but it's been so long... |
| 23:29.35 | jadams | anybody here using the phone in any incarnation daily? |
| 23:29.45 | rwhitby | abraxa_: cat /etc/issue |
| 23:29.47 | jadams | I used it for half a day and was super happy (FSO II) |
| 23:29.54 | jadams | but my text messages didn't seem to work so hot |
| 23:29.55 | rwhitby | abraxa_: shall we move this to #nslu2-linux ? |
| 23:30.30 | jadams | I'd gladly get on it and start banging on dbus though...I want ruby on there |
| 23:37.37 | UndrWater | anyone get boot do SD working on a card larger than 512? |
| 23:39.14 | Tanuva | someone has, but I don't remember his nick |
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| 23:41.49 | tdobson-mobile | anyone got any ideas of how to more than google talk/jabber & irc working in pidgin (without using transports) on 2007.2? |
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| 23:45.02 | tdobson | bah. someone hijacked pidgin's exit message :( |
| 23:45.31 | Tanuva | *g* |
| 23:46.23 | Tanuva | I just managed to decompile zhone.edj using the edje-utils package/edje_decc. Now I try to compile it again, but build.sh complains about a missing embryo_cc. Where can I get this from (building on the neo)? |
| 23:47.03 | rooly | oy vey |
| 23:47.06 | rooly | long day of work |
| 23:48.37 | raster | tunys: embryo |
| 23:48.54 | rooly | anyone get opkg lock errors on om2008.8? |
| 23:49.39 | Tanuva | raster: that is... where? [sorry if I seem dumb, but e17 stuff is totally new to me :)] |
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| 23:50.36 | Tanuva | ah, there's some libembryo0... |
| 23:50.53 | rooly | needs to add a few lines to his wifi script |
| 23:52.18 | Tanuva | ... but that doesn't really get me further |
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| 23:53.43 | rooly | bbl |
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| 23:54.58 | Tanuva | yay, opkg segfaults reproducably... |
| 23:56.22 | quickdev | Tanuva, how to reproduce? |
| 23:57.16 | kgoetz | mornin all! |
| 23:57.21 | Tanuva | quickdev: I tried to downgrade libembryo from 0.9.9x to 0.9.1x (needed for libembryo-dev). after telling me that it's downloading the older version it segfaults |
| 23:57.49 | quickdev | strace ;) |
| 23:57.50 | Tanuva | quickdev: http://rafb.net/p/jbLvYv74.html |
| 23:58.02 | Tanuva | onem oment, neo's rebooting |
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| 23:59.36 | spdr | no sound using media player? :0 |
